Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, May 6th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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AlmtyBob:

ancient vid card since the board I got is PCIX and I don't have any spare PCIX cards

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LLyric:

pikhq: recentish kernels changed the way that the ide subsystem worked quite a bit, now needs scsi drivers and libata and all that stuff

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: that will be fine with 64 bit

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AlmtyBob:

ok, thanks

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LLyric:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Example_CPU_Savings some people report no problem with 64 bit

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pikhq:

BTW, AlmtyBob, I'm using MythTV with 64 bit. Other than my self-inflicted disk issues, it works great.

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AlmtyBob:

I need to use XFS for my drives right?

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BloodHawk:

Anyone here using USB audio with MythTV? Looking for a decent device that will handle DTS/AC3/digital-out.

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kormoc:

LLyric, the IDE subsystem doesn't need scsi...

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kormoc:

AlmtyBob, you don't need to, I use ext3 just fine, others use jfs or xfs or ext2 or reiser or...

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** LLyric disagrees **

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BloodHawk:

is it possible to get bit-perfect audio in Linux?

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LLyric:

kormoc: I believe you are incorrect – since libata was introduced, sata uses the scsi framework

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kormoc:

LLyric, sata does, but sata isn't the IDE subsystem

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LLyric:

pffft, most people are sata now

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LLyric:

And they call their disks "ide" as compared to scsi etc

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pikhq:

Yup, DMA isn't enabled in my new Xen kernel (MythTV runs on my desktop, and I wanted to play around with Xen). . .

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LLyric:

And, don't use ext2/ext3 for your recordings, it performs badly, especially for deletes

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** pikhq feels mildly stupid **

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BloodHawk:

I think the point is, SATA != IDE according to the kernel.

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LLyric:

Sure

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LLyric:

But, if you've got a modern pc, you probably have SATA. In which case you probably needs scsi subsystem.

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xris:

LLyric: sata isn't ide in any sense

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kormoc:

LLyric, well, given this is a bit of a technical channel, people do assume that others have some inkling of what they are talking about, and making broad statements like that are not technically true seems a bit off...

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** pikhq recompiles his kernel, so that he can get decent performance from MythTV **

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LLyric:

pikhq: everything will benefit, not just mythtv :)

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pikhq:

MythTV's just what I notice.

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kormoc:

BloodHawk, the easiest way for good audio in linux is a soundblaster 16 bit card, the best driver support and hardware mixing, works wonderfully.

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: there is discussion of filesystem etc in the howto http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html

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BloodHawk:

I need some SPDIF fun.

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BloodHawk:

I've heard that the Turtle Beach Micro Audio USB device works, but haven't had confirmation that AC3 pass-thru works.

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pikhq:

Soundblaster Live cards are /excellent/ (I know from personal experience), and I'm pretty certain the Audigy cards work equally well (only heard about it, though)

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BloodHawk:

and that little thing is like .. $30.

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BloodHawk:

for 5.1(?) SPDIF output

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kormoc:

ext3 is much faster overall due to the addition of the b-tree indexing (-O dir_index) and so it's a few seconds slower on delete, myth 0.19 uses a async delete so you can continue to do things while it deteles, and that makes ext3 a fine choice for myth overall.

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BloodHawk:

I don't have any PCI slots free, unfortunately..

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BloodHawk:

My ASUS 6150 board only has two to begin with. :/

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BloodHawk:

and the on-board audio is relatively unsupported so far.

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BloodHawk:

so my solution is likely with USB audio..

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kormoc:

pikhq, sound blaster live 24 bit cards lack most driver support (no hardware mixing), as does some audigy cards, so it's kinda a crapshoot if you don't check compatability first.

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pikhq:

I'm using a SB Live! 16 bit card, which is why it works so well for me, I suppose.

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BloodHawk:

http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audioadvantage/

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kormoc:

pikhq, indeed. I bought a 24 bit one and it's useless, had to hunt around for a 16 bit one and now it's quite grand.

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BloodHawk:

I'm just tired of buying unsupported hardware..

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BloodHawk:

or bleeding edge..

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kormoc:

BloodHawk, check out alsa projects list of supported audio hardware?

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pikhq:

I got it for free (stepdad handed me a computer a while ago, had a WinTV card and the SB Live :))

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BloodHawk:

If ALSA supports my USB soundcard, and my USB soundcard supports 5.1 SPDIF output, will ALSA let me pass-thru AC3 untouched to my receiver?

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kormoc:

I think so, but might want to check #alsa

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BloodHawk:

#alsa!

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BloodHawk:

Thanks.

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kormoc:

your welcome

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BloodHawk:

I'm still new to this whole irc.freenode thing.

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navreet:

does anyone know how much CPU usage skipping commercials take?

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navreet:

I am going to have a powerful backend

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navreet:

but not so powerful front end

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navreet:

is that stuff done on the front/backend?

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navreet:

backend... correct?

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pikhq:

It's on the backend, and it's done after recording.

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pikhq:

The backend flags the file for commercials.

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pikhq:

Then, the frontend just skips where the file says "skip".

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navreet:

ah, you can't do it on the fly? lets say if I start watching the show 15 mins late

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kormoc:

yes, you can have it commflag on the fly, I have mine setup that way

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navreet:

and I want to skip commercials... is that possible?

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navreet:

kormoc, thanks

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navreet:

kormoc, so the back end decodes it and commflags it

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kormoc:

navreet, correct

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pikhq:

Hooray! It works!

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LLyric:

What's Windows Media Center cost, roughly?

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mchou:

lol

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** LLyric 's ex-manager is starting a venture to provide home automation and media-center stuff; I'm making a case for myth/linux rather than mce/windows **

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mchou:

you expect us myth users to know?

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LLyric:

Know Thy Enemy? :)

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mchou:

MCE is to wimpy even to qualify as enemy

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kormoc:

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=windows+m . . . ;btnG=Search

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mchou:

LLyric: if you're trying to convince your ex box on cost, you're doing it all wrong

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mchou:

s/box/boss

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xris:

LLyric: $100–150 oem

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LLyric:

Thanks

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xris:

windows will be the cheaper option, though.

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mchou:

it's not about cost

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LLyric:

I'm not making the case on cost, it's just a footnote.

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mchou:

it's about stability and features

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xris:

with windows, you push the support costs onto microsoft, and that's where the bulk of operating costs would go for a linux solution.

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** LLyric pitching on features, maintainability, etc **

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xris:

windows also has the advantage of future support for cablecard

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mchou:

LLyric: bah. Just tell him to ask bill gates what he runs his house on :)

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xris:

s/support/legal support/

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mchou:

xris: yeah, not to mention DRM

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mchou:

xris: lol

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mchou:

cant do shit with stuff you own

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xris:

mchou: never said it was the best option... just the cheapest and easiest to support from a business standpoint

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xris:

one of the few times when MS is the better option from that side.

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** pikhq enjoys watching Mythbusters, recorded on Wednesday. . . :) **

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LLyric:

Either box could also control any X10/home automation stuff, have web interface, stream video, etc; I presume

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kormoc:

is there a MCE web interface?

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kormoc:

and streaming of video, you mean to the player from, say the web?

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LLyric:

I'm still looking into MCE, don't know the answers to those questions yet.

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LLyric:

I know how I'd do it in linux :)

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pikhq:

Call me up when you can get MCE to act as a web server, SSH server, general purpose desktop, /and/ a DVR.

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BloodHawk:

Windows-wise, mediaportal is actually what you should keep an eye out for.

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mchou:

heh

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pikhq:

Hell, just call me up when MCE does commercial skipping for you.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

all good points

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AngryElf:

hey all, i've notcied when looking at mythweather from either MFE or mythWEb it doesn't show tomorrow forecaset, it shows current conditions and then the 5-day forecast begins 2 days from now...anyone seen this?

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LLyric:

imo mythweather needs some work :)

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LLyric:

It doesn't seem to understand (my) timezones, for example.

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mchou:

hah, Goss quit in less than 20 months

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penticlex:

atrpms is back

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penticlex:

sweet!!!!!!!!!

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Iam8up:

i've been interested in making a DVR for the house (and the only software i've seen that i could see myself using is mythtv)..but i have several questions, isn't there some sort of FAQ?

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pikhq:

Iam8up: There is, on mythtv.org

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Iam8up:

is this what you want me to read..http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ?

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Iam8up:

or this (broken) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/moin.cgi/FrontPage ?

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xris:

Iam8up: kill everything after (and including) moin.cgi

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xris:

the beirdo.ca one is the irc channel faq, not mythtv.

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xris:

where'd you get the moin.cgi link?

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Iam8up:

ahh, thanks

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Iam8up:

google

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Iam8up:

already went through that page, it's labeled as a faq on wiki, but it's a doc page from the home page...

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Iam8up:

maybe you can answer a few of my questions:

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Iam8up:

does mythtv have it's own distro somewhere? or is it only a frontend?

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Iam8up:

pv250s seem to be good as far as support, plus it has a remote that comes with it – can this control myth tv as well?

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Iam8up:

if i need to record three shows at the same time, would three pv250 cards be just fine? is there a different alternative? i've heard there are more cpu intenstive cards that are cheaper, is this true?

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LLyric:

There are distros that are built around mythtv, not the other way around

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LLyric:

Iam8up: there are dual-tuner cards (pvr-500) that may be a little cheaper.

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LLyric:

Maybe you could look at digital, rather than analogue capture?

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Iam8up:

well...we don't have cable or satellite tv, just the free stuff (fox, abc, nbc, etc)

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LLyric:

yes, haupauge remotes will control mythtv

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LLyric:

isn't there free terrestial digital?

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Iam8up:

no idea...

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LLyric:

Sending the same stuff as free terrestial analogue?

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Iam8up:

i'm sure it'd be the same, but wouldn't i need to get a satellite for that?

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xris:

Iam8up: look at the pvr-150 or pvr-500.. pvr-250 is a discontinued carfd

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LLyric:

No, terrestial digital (via an antenna, just like analogue)

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Iam8up:

150 is not discontinued?

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LLyric:

the numbers are not versions

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LLyric:

They're just model numbers

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Iam8up:

not used to seeing models go backwards though

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Iam8up:

so how would i go along getting the digital signal instead?

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xris:

Iam8up: 150 is "lesser" than the 250 because it's cheaper and has fewer parts. it also happens to be newer/better quality

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LLyric:

You'd need a digital tuner card.

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xris:

Iam8up: you in the US?

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Iam8up:

xris – yes

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xris:

digital cable or over the air?

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LLyric:

ota, he said already

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Iam8up:

over the air...

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xris:

then air2pc (aka airstar hd5000) or pchdtv 3000 (different brand, confusing name similarity)

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xris:

and a good antenna

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Iam8up:

uhm

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Iam8up:

i've had the same antenna setup for like..20 years...

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xris:

Iam8up: then you're fine

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xris:

many people don't already have an antenna

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Iam8up:

=P

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Iam8up:

so i'm looking for an 'air2pc' card (pci bus, correct)?

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LLyric:

xris: any experience with dvico FusionHDTV?

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xris:

yeah. cyberestore.com has the air2pc

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xris:

LLyric: no. heard about it, but don't know anything about it.

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Iam8up:

now..i've got some static on certain channels, does that have anything to do w/the digital singal? what's to say i get this digital signal anyways?

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xris:

Iam8up: http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

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xris:

that'll tell you how many digital channels are in your area, and how far away they are

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LLyric:

Your static is nothing to do with the digital signal. Digital will generally work fine, or not at all.

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lwizardl:

what database should i use for mythtv ?

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LLyric:

mysql

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pikhq:

MySQL, of course.

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LLyric:

Digital OTA is just another channel, which you receive via a tuner, then "decode" to a digital signal

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LLyric:

Iam8up: an mpeg2 actually, iirc

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LLyric:

xris: http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx

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lwizardl:

does mythtv create its own db inside mysql ?

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xris:

LLyric: mpeg2 transport stream..

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xris:

lwizardl: you have to create the db, myth does the rest

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LLyric:

I'm trying to find if the two tuners are independant, or can just pull two channels from the same (uh) stream

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xris:

LLyric: works with linux?

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Iam8up:

DTV – digital television?

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xris:

looks like two separate tuners on the card

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LLyric:

xris: so I understand, there's actually an aussy who does the driver

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LLyric:

Iam8up: yes

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Iam8up:

ok

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Iam8up:

so the channels we get/watch are 2,7,16,22,26,45 in my area are all DTV as well as analog

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lwizardl:

xris: i'm reading this and it didn't list making the database http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/ so i just create DATABASE="mythtv"; ?

[02:03:34]

Iam8up:

will my current antenna receive the digital signal as well?

[02:03:57]

LLyric:

Iam8up: great! digital is nicer picture, sometimes widescreen, and often better sound.

[02:04:05]

LLyric:

Iam8up: if you have a good enough signal, yes!

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xris:

Iam8up: antennaweb will tell you if channels are uhf or vhf

[02:04:19]

Iam8up:

each are uhf

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xris:

pretty sure they're all uhf

[02:04:25]

** pikhq should get a digital tuner some time. . . **

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xris:

lwizardl: look for a file called mc.sql

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LLyric:

pikhq: Me too, but wifey says I need to sell my other house first :)

[02:04:58]

Iam8up:

well

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Iam8up:

all of the stations are ~18 miles from me

[02:05:17]

xris:

Iam8up: same direction?

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lwizardl:

locate mc.sql found nothing

[02:05:29]

Iam8up:

all 192 degrees

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LLyric:

Same transmitter I guess :)

[02:06:06]

Iam8up:

actually...they're all less then .5 miles from each other, 18 from me...is that correct?

[02:06:09]

LLyric:

well, tower

[02:06:14]

Iam8up:

all the things are on the same tower then?

[02:06:22]

LLyric:

Close enough, from 18 miles away

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** pikhq is in HS. . . Just get a summer job, and enjoy disposable income ;) **

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Iam8up:

ranges from 18.6 to 19

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xris:

Iam8up: your house antenna should be fine — worst case you'd have to repoint it

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LLyric:

xris: it appears that the dvico can only pull two channels from the same transport stream. http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=314259&P=3

[02:08:46]

Iam8up:

ok...

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Iam8up:

this 192 degrees thing...192 from..what..?

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Iam8up:

should i just point it straight south?

[02:09:04]

LLyric:

north

[02:09:21]

LLyric:

from north

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xris:

north is 0

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LLyric:

Get a map, figure out where you are, and where the antenna is, then sight the antenna to a landmark in the right direction.

[02:09:52]

LLyric:

A couple of degrees won't matter

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Iam8up:

so it'd be SSW?

[02:10:43]

Iam8up:

because this doesn't have any coordinates...

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LLyric:

Depends on grid vs magnetic ;)

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Iam8up:

180 being straight south, 12 more west...

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xris:

antennaweb has a map

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Iam8up:

looking at it atm

[02:12:16]

Iam8up:

just hard to read th enumbers...

[02:12:35]

Iam8up:

but ya..they're all pointing SSW

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Iam8up:

so now, these stations that are broadcasting digitally will work with my current antenna? or am i receiving the digital signal anyways?

[02:15:47]

xris:

it's just a uhf channel

[02:15:58]

xris:

different channel than analog, but the signal is there

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mchou:

this story is hilarious: rtsp://real.npr.org:80/real.npr.na-central/at . . . 05_atc_18.rm

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

with mythtv .19, sometimes it will not show shows recorded, other times it will.

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Ediehow:

is there a setting for that?

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xris:

Ediehow: there's a filter

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Ediehow:

for instance, i have two shows recorded right now, and a minute ago the menu popped up for crime and drama(1) and scifi(1), since i chose crime and drama, now it only shows that one, no matter what

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Ediehow:

xris: thx sir, how do i change filter?

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Ediehow:

or reset

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xris:

not sure. M ?

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Ediehow:

ah

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Ediehow:

i wonder why it pops up sometimes without hitting m

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xris:

might bump it somehow

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Ediehow:

thx

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SlicerDicer-:

good god I made a mistake

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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xris:

?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: what else is new :)

[02:41:21]

SlicerDicer-:

haha I decided to hit the wrong key combo on firefox

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SlicerDicer-:

and I opened about 1000 rss feed links

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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xris:

w00t. 2G of RAM in my new server

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mchou:

xris: 2GB? for what?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: cool

[02:42:15]

xris:

mchou: xen server

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mchou:

xris: ok

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xris:

web + mail + dns + firewall

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xris:

1G was barely enough. now I have some wiggle room

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xris:

now I just need to save up and get a couple of drives

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: is this replacing the rack?

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xris:

I don't have a rack.

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xris:

but hopefully it'll replace the two aging p3's I use now

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xris:

and eventually a p2 with redhat 7.3 on it that my wife uses for one of her sites (needs apache 1.x for livejournal software)

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JeffATL:

do people have a favorite window mgr for mythtv boxes whose front end comes up automatically?

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LLyric:

lots of people, lots of options ;)

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** LLyric uses xfce4, it's fine **

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Anduin:

twm is the vi of window managers

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** pikhq uses ratpoison **

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xris:

Anduin: yeah, no kidding.... heh

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pikhq:

Of course, I use ratpoison as my full-time WM, so. . .

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JeffATL:

LLyric: i'm wanting the box to autologin and autostart frontend

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xris:

*box (black, etc), ratpoison, xfce, gnome, kde...

[02:53:14]

JeffATL:

and i don't plan much other use for the box

[02:53:44]

xris:

JeffATL: it's more a matter of memory/cpu footprint

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xris:

I use gnome, but I'm lazy

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JeffATL:

xris: this is a 1GHz K7, 700-odd meg of ram

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xris:

then go with something small like ratpoison

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** pikhq is a crazy person that recommends Ratpoison for all X running boxen ;) **

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xris:

pikhq: not enough features for me. heck, even gnome and kde get on my nerves for not doing things how I want them to

[03:00:28]

** eidolon yawns. **

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Iam8up:

can anyone tell me what kinda CPU i would need if i had a digital tuner card?

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JeffATL:

Iam8up: well, i figure i'm kind of on the low end with a 1GHz AMD T-bird and an MPEG-encoding card

[03:02:16]

Iam8up:

1 ghz tbird......

[03:02:22]

Iam8up:

i don't know any of the tbird series..

[03:02:38]

Iam8up:

would a 2500 barton be sufficient/better than that?

[03:02:46]

Iam8up:

i remember it clocks at 1.83...

[03:02:50]

JeffATL:

um, by a long shot

[03:02:58]

Iam8up:

ok

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Iam8up:

so anything mid two thousand range with a barton core is good

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pikhq:

The TBird should be able to decode well enough.

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: omfg I hope this is a joke... http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux . . . mputers.html

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pikhq:

The encoding is what's difficult, and you've got an encoding card, so. . .

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: my eyes are watering and I hurt all over from laughing so hard

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** pikhq twitches **

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** pikhq must stab. **

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: god I hope that's a spoof

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JeffATL:

something has been spitting that URL all over IRC today

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pikhq:

Somehow, this idiot fails to realise that Linux is more in line with Freedom then Microsoft. . .

[03:12:38]

pikhq:

I've got the urge to put the blogger out of her misery.

[03:14:08]

mchou:

haha, that's what I love about faith based repugs :)

[03:14:43]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: its not

[03:14:48]

SlicerDicer-:

sadly

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mchou:

they couldnt tell the diff betw. their mouth or anus

[03:15:02]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: really? most of the articles read like jokes.

[03:15:14]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: it's a spoof

[03:15:18]

SlicerDicer-:

I think its serious

[03:15:22]

SlicerDicer-:

I dunno

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xris:

I brought up the Holocaust and they said: "Hitler created jobs and your President George W. Bush is worse than Hitler!"

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mchou:

xris: who are "they"

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Anduin:

It is clearly fake.

[03:16:05]

xris:

mchou: german relatives of the author

[03:16:17]

pikhq:

I'd hope so.

[03:16:52]

xris:

http://shelleytherepublican.com/index.html

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xris:

scroll down to linux v windows

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I think its real xris

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mchou:

xris: I know one thing: Hitler server his country in his youth (got a flying medal for combat), unlike the shrub

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SlicerDicer-:

the site was switched to windows on may 3rd

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: haha!!!

[03:17:28]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: um, that's easy enough to do with apache under linux

[03:17:33]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: that's rich :)

[03:17:52]

xris:

many companies do that as a hack protection — no point in advertising what your real OS is

[03:17:54]

SlicerDicer-:

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=h . . . publican.com

[03:18:07]

SlicerDicer-:

lol xris

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pikhq:

Nmap it.

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SlicerDicer-:

the ip was changed and all

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SlicerDicer-:

according to netcraft

[03:18:32]

mchou:

xris: so why would they advertise windows?? :)

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mchou:

xris: it's like saying "I'm your honey"

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xris:

mchou: part of the joke, of course. too bad the joke isn't constructed well enough to be a blatant joke

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xris:

mchou: one of the commenters pointed out that the machine was running linux

[03:19:27]

mchou:

xris: exactly :)

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah and switched it from one provider to the other?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: no clue there.

[03:20:01]

xris:

nice to see that netcraft pulled up my IP/OS changes

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BSG75:

anyone of a way to turn the .nuv files so my xbox can show them as normal video files?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I could hope it was a joke

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xris:

BSG75: xbox running windows?

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xris:

install dsmyth.sf.net

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BSG75:

xris: no linux

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pikhq:

BSG75: Well, /one/ way is to just have your Xbox run as a Myth frontend. :p

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xris:

BSG75: then run mythtv

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pikhq:

The simpler way is to pull up the Wiki's guide on converting from .nuv to DVD

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tainted-:

hi

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tainted-:

anyone here?

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pikhq:

Saluton.

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tainted-:

is it possible to use a tv as my monitor using pvr 350?

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xris:

tainted-: not without a LOT of work.

[03:22:06]

xris:

pvr-350 is designed only to play back mpeg2 files

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tainted-:

damn it

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BSG75:

hmm that means remodding my xbox :( I wish there was perl scrip that would just turn those darn nuv files into something human readable and divx or mpeg or something ..

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tainted-:

so video out from my videocard is better than

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tainted-:

then

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xris:

tainted-: there are new things going in to make it easier, but I don't think they're particularly stable

[03:22:41]

xris:

tainted-: probably better quality if it's a new card, too

[03:22:50]

tainted-:

k

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tainted-:

sux

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tainted-:

tv only has coax

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xris:

BSG75: um, like nuvexport? which as pikhq said is in the wiki

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xris:

tainted-: you mean rf?

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tainted-:

are there svideo to coax convertors?

[03:23:18]

tainted-:

yea

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mchou:

tainted-: man, forget analog

[03:23:36]

xris:

yeah, you can get them. they're pretty crappy, though. I had one for my apple IIe

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mchou:

they suck

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tainted-:

lol

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BSG75:

xris: do you know a way to run nuvexport non interactively? ie: I can setup a cron job perhaps

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tainted-:

what's mythtv up to now

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tainted-:

last i played with it was like .13

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mchou:

0.19x

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xris:

BSG75: read the nuvexportrc file — it tells about all of the commandline options

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pikhq:

BSG75: It's a perl script. Shouldn't be that hard.

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tainted-:

man that was a pain in the ass to get up and running

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BSG75:

sweet thanx .. that's all I needed to hear :)

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BSG75:

good night folks

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pikhq:

It's only a /minor/ pain in the ass now (mostly because you need to set up the database)

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tainted-:

still mysql?

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pikhq:

Yup.

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tainted-:

what about channel info

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pikhq:

XMLtv still.

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tainted-:

still

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tainted-:

wow

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tainted-:

what about that one site which provided free listing info

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tainted-:

do they still do it?

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mchou:

pikhq: not in USA or canada

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pikhq:

They do.

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tainted-:

cool beans

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pikhq:

mchou: I know, I know.

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tainted-:

what's the latest and greatest since .13?

[03:26:07]

tainted-:

there were some cool apps back then

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pikhq:

MythTV directly accesses that site now, though.

[03:26:18]

xris:

tainted-: damn, too many changes since .13 to list

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mchou:

pikhq: huh???

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tainted-:

do u still have to create acct?

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tainted-:

xris anything huge?

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xris:

tainted-: yeah. me taking over mythweb.

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tainted-:

i still have my asus pundit lying around someplace

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pikhq:

*: Ignore me now.

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xris:

ivtv mpeg2 encoder support, lossess mpeg2 commercial cutting.....

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mchou:

firewire

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xris:

firewire connection to digital cable boxes...

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tainted-:

wow

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tainted-:

is ivtv more stable?

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Anduin:

and lemon

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xris:

tainted-: has been for ages

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mchou:

Anduin: lemon?

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xris:

mchou: "new, with lemon!"

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Anduin:

mchou: I think they went feature crazy.

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mchou:

tainted-: we no longer use analog capture cards

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mchou:

that's just so passe

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** xris ponders lemon + vodka.... **

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mchou:

not to mention PQ sucked rocks on analog

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mchou:

xris: that's like implying myth is a lemon :)

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xris:

mchou: or cola.

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xris:

it's almost warm enough to be mojito season again...

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mchou:

anybody know offhand how to configure thunderbird to use alsa?

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: umm what for?

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mchou:

incoming message alarms

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mchou:

like the lil beeps

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threat:

hey

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xris:

mchou: no oss wrapper for you?

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mchou:

bah, I dunno how to use oss wrapper

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xris:

generally for me it just works

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xris:

but that's why I like fedora. heh

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mchou:

do you have to invoke aoss for every program, or do you just export a variable?

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xris:

nothing. it just works

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mchou:

In my case I have to export variables

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mchou:

xris: can you do a set | grep ^LD ?

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xris:

nothing

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mchou:

xris: ok, thx

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xris:

anyone know how to get a raw output of the serial port from lirc?

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xris:

I have an ir receiver I need to test

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Captain_Murdoch:

doesn't xmode or something do that?

[05:16:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

or mode2, or something with mode in it.

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Hoochster:

anyone ran into a prob running mythwelcome? just shows background nothing else, and then if you run mythfrontend instead it runs but all you get is ringbuffer errors trying to write to an mpg file and no video?

[05:17:54]

Hoochster:

xris have you already done an irrecord?

[05:18:40]

xris:

Hoochster: I don't want to test a remote, just the receiver

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xris:

guess I could find a remote.

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xris:

Hoochster: irrecord requires a driver. I don't have one

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Hoochster:

heh dunno then sorry not an lirc expert but did just set mine up hehe

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xris:

yeah, I just found this old receiver, figured I'd see if it worked with something other than the remote that came with it (which is long gone)

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: same thing

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Captain_Murdoch:

I thought that one of those *mode* programs would just graph the highs/lows on the serial port.

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xris:

seems to want lircd running

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xris:

and it won't run without a config file

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, couldn't remember

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** xris gives up **

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xris:

it's not like I don't have two working remotes already.

[05:51:28]

AlmtyBob:

I just hit a new life low, I finished putting together my server and thought it weighed a lot, so I weighed it 8(

[05:51:40]

AlmtyBob:

I just weighed my fucking computer 8(...43 lbs btw

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eiggirC:

AlmtyBob: thats sad

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eiggirC:

one of mine was 54 kilogrammes

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eiggirC:

that was a compaq proliant though

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AlmtyBob:

christ, that's like 500 lbs right?

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AlmtyBob:

just kidding 8)

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eiggirC:

about 100 pounds

[05:52:53]

eiggirC:

which is 143 pounds with VAt

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eiggirC:

or 666,000,000 yen :)

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AlmtyBob:

I always just double kg to get lbs becuase I'm lazy

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eiggirC:

god that sad

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AlmtyBob:

119

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eiggirC:

and you halve miles to get kilometres ?

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eiggirC:

:)

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AlmtyBob:

double miles to get km but yah 8)

[05:53:59]

AlmtyBob:

exactly

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AlmtyBob:

I usually pad up when I go from km to miles

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AlmtyBob:

like 120 -> 70

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eiggirC:

so how many fathoms per fortnight does your car get to the bushel ?

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AlmtyBob:

ah it's 74

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AlmtyBob:

about 3200 decameters

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eiggirC:

-grin-

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eiggirC:

http://www.google.com/search?q=100+kilometers . . . er+fortnight

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eiggirC:

google rocks

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eiggirC:

100 kilometers per hour = 18 372 703.4 fathoms per fortnight

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eiggirC:

18 million fathoms per fortnight

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eiggirC:

fwoah fast car :)

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AlmtyBob:

now is a fortnight 10 days or two weeks?

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AlmtyBob:

I've heard both

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Scrye:

what would cause my realtek win2000 to look like crap?

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eiggirC:

AlmtyBob: 14 days

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eiggirC:

AlmtyBob: which is 10 working days

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eiggirC:

Scrye: the letters "realtek" ?

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eiggirC:

:)

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eiggirC:

Scrye: hows your aerial ?

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Scrye:

well i found this http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/tvtuner/#canada

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Scrye:

and doing that worked

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sapbeast:

man my drive upgrade issues continue to be confounding

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sapbeast:

either something with this sata controller or im going insane

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sapbeast:

i tried using JFS and i still get corrupted copies

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eiggirC:

bt:/usr/src/mythtv 65536Y 0 65536Y 0% /usr/src/mythtv

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eiggirC:

love those NFS errors

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eiggirC:

65 thousand yottabytes

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sapbeast:

damn pass some of that this way :p

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eiggirC:

reckon :)

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sapbeast:

im gonna check this drive in another machine with the seagate tools

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sapbeast:

cos im totally lost now at what could be wrong

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eiggirC:

sapbeast: is the drive under warranty?

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sapbeast:

i just bought it so yeah

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sapbeast:

just inconvenient... i was hoping to upgrade my storage space in my mythbox today

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sapbeast:

because im out :p

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eiggirC:

heh

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eiggirC:

I know the feeling

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eiggirC:

65535 yottabutes and 0% free :)

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Scrye:

ok so im not getting any sound.. im using alsa. what device should i be specifying?

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Scrye:

xmms plays mp3s through alsa...

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Scrye:

and through /dev/dsp

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sapbeast:

oh well thats reassuring

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sapbeast:

i have the drive in a different machine now... seems to be ok so far

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sapbeast:

looks like it might be a sata controller issue

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sapbeast:

time remaining 2 hours ~_~

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AlmtyBob:

I should select "Plug and Play OS" in my bios for linux right?

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sapbeast:

dont think it will make any different

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sapbeast:

plug and play os is only necessary for win95/98

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Scrye:

grr anyone want to help me debug my sound issues?

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Hoochster:

Anyone using DVB?

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dtm:

AlmtyBob: nooooooooooooo.

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dtm:

AlmtyBob: disable

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Scrye:

bah this sucks

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Scrye:

it works with mplayer

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Scrye:

it works with xmms, but does not work with mythtv!

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Scrye:

it works with tvtime too

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sapbeast:

hmm 60% done and the seagate utility says everything is ok so far

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sapbeast:

im starting to think its my sata controller giving me issues then

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simcop2387:

what sample rate does mythtv use for audio output? the same as the audio? or does it resample to some other value?

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sapbeast:

whatever it was recorded with i believe

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sapbeast:

if it was recorded at 32000 then thats the playback

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simcop2387:

i figured it'd resample it, but oh well, i'd love to have all my audio outputted to 96khz

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sapbeast:

i could be wrong but as far as i know thats the case

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sapbeast:

i dont know do you have bat ears? ;) 96khz is overkill

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simcop2387:

yea but i'd love to use my sound card to its full potential at least

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simcop2387:

might as well :)

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sapbeast:

i understand...

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simcop2387:

i have yet to find a reason to use 96khz other than to make my own recordings with

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eiggirC:

simcop2387: kill your speakers too :)

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simcop2387:

eiggirC: how so?

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simcop2387:

they don't know the difference between 11025 and 48000 sampling rates

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sapbeast:

yeah im kind of wary of that statement... most speakers wont even respond past 48k

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sapbeast:

so i dont see how you could damage them because of that

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sapbeast:

sound pressure is what causes damage, not frequency

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simcop2387:

yea, but 96khz recording really makes it more fun to do audio work on the sample, since you've got an even higher resolution than you'll ever need

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eiggirC:

simcop2387: just ignore me – I'm talking shit. sorry.

[08:05:13]

sapbeast:

well it reduces aliasing at higher frequencies there is no argument there

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simcop2387:

heh

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sapbeast:

44k is enough for the human ear, but higher frequencies still "suffer"

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simcop2387:

yea

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sapbeast:

pro cards will do 196k

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sapbeast:

i wish i still had my delta 44 soundcard :(

[08:06:18]

simcop2387:

yea i got mine for $20, does 96k recording and is supported in linux, i figured why not my old one got fried (it also can do 7.2 analog though)

[08:06:36]

simcop2387:

5.1 spdif IIRC though

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sapbeast:

spdif it really depends on the sound card... 5.1 is only on "dolby digital live" cards

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sapbeast:

which dont exist in general

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sapbeast:

they do if you count the x-mystique but its not very well supported in linux

[08:07:31]

simcop2387:

hmm

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sapbeast:

i know, because i have one!

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simcop2387:

heh

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sapbeast:

the last dolby digital live soundcards were the old nforce audio integrated sound

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simcop2387:

i just wish the alsa drivers would support its 24bit samples, last i checked they didn't yet (my card, not yours)

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sapbeast:

mmm hmm

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sapbeast:

although 24-bit samples unless you were trying to go deaf in a hurry, you dont need

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sapbeast:

literally its designed for when you need a 130dB dynamic range

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simcop2387:

i thought the bits in each sample didn't affect the volume, since it all comes in and leaves at line level anyway

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sapbeast:

well yes and no

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sapbeast:

a good way to describe it is that sample bits allow for a certain volume level with no noise

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sapbeast:

8-bit samples were obviously crap, you could hear the variations at lower volume easily

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sapbeast:

as in lower volume recorded samples (soft)

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simcop2387:

yea

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sapbeast:

16-bit samples have a 90db dynamic range, meaning you can record from 5dB sounds to 90dB sounds

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sapbeast:

and play back with no noise

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sapbeast:

(granted the card is designed well too)

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simcop2387:

yea

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sapbeast:

so if you record 16-bit samples and the VU meter is at 0dB, if played back properly it would be 90dB at the speaker... you play it back where 0dB would be 90dB

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sapbeast:

thats how dynamic range works

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simcop2387:

yea

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adante:

guys, does anybody know if the microsoft mce remote is compatible with linux in any form? http://www.gamepc.com/images/labs/rev-xpmce2005-hwlg.jpg

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Discipulus:

anyone active?

[08:23:08]

nemir:

guys, I ran my mythfilldatabase and expected to see my guide schedule filled, but it isn't. What are the reasons that might be?

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dtm:

nemir: did you read the log?

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dtm:

nemir: or i think the output of the command itself

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nemir:

I didn't really follow the log. The output of the command (which lasted ages) said something about the backend not running, but the ps auxw suggested it was

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dtm:

details like that are good to know when making open ended support requests! ^_^

[08:27:38]

nemir:

okay... Just getting the log out now

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris you here?

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xris:

just barely

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SlicerDicer-:

got a moment for pvt msg? its a rather funny story :)

[08:30:44]

nemir:

I do notice this in the log: TVRec(2): Channel: '3' was not found in the database.

[08:30:54]

nemir:

But I thoguht it was about teh capture card I haven't set up yet

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SlicerDicer-:

wont take long

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speedsix:

Hi, I'm trying to ./configure the MythTV plugins and I can't figure out how to enable dvd transcode support?

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gnuyen:

can you save screencaps from live tv?

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gnuyen:

in mythtv

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gnuyen:

or do you hae to have it recorded first

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gnuyen:

thanks

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Goatz:

adante I got mine to work from licq (mine was with my pvr150)

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adante:

Goatz: cool.. no major dramas?

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Goatz:

err lirc and yes it was fine

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adante:

haha was about to check that..

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Goatz:

HOWEVER, I have not tried geting the ir blaster working with it yet.

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adante:

Goatz: so it doesn't use any fruity kernel modules?

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Goatz:

just build lirc and select usb i don't remeber what i did but it seemed really self explanitry.... (late supid kernel speelll err sleep...

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adante:

righto, thanks

[09:17:58]

Goatz:

And be carefull there are differnt vers / of it, look for who made it or plug it into another box so u can find out which one it is, and it's cool rather than giving hex output they keys = what it sends {cofig file is easyer}

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Juski:

anyone tried googling for 'mythweb' lately? still plenty folks have their server exposed

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bball_:

what mpeg deocder is recommended for watching stddef TV on an HDTV ?

[09:53:38]

bball_:

for some reason linear blend deinterlace with standard mpeg decoders

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bball_:

(ffmpeg)

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bball_:

seems to provide best picture quality but from what I've read it seems bob deinterlace should provide the best picture quality

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bball_:

wondering if I have some other setting messed up

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Juski:

picture quality is always subjective anyway

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Juski:

so just use what looks best to you

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bball_:

is there a way to disable the live buffer ?

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Juski:

no

[09:57:01]

Juski:

this has been discussed too many times now. either stop using livetv or live with it ;-)

[09:57:18]

Juski:

livetv is like _so_ 20th century, IMHO

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bball_:

yeah.. I figured :-)

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bball_:

but in theory it would speed up channel cahnges

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Juski:

put it this way – if you do away with the buffer, but you change your mind & want to pause or rewind all of a sudden... er...

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bball_:

if it were disabled

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bball_:

yeah.. its a tradeoff obviously

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Juski:

as I've put on a poster I'm going to use at a Linux expo for mythtv, "no longer be a slave to TV schdules"

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bball_:

Ihehe

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Juski:

then work out how many years of your life you've wasted watching half of some good show

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bball_:

I don't watch tv really :-)

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Juski:

because you spent half an hour surfing through hundreds of channels

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bball_:

I just like to play with stuff

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bball_:

I'm coming from vdr world

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Juski:

congratulations!

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sapbeast:

yay... i guess this controller is malfunctioning

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bball_:

I tried mythtv a few years ago but dvb-s support back then was very unstable

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Juski:

livetv in myth, when you're using DVB really sucks

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sapbeast:

the drive checked out fine in another computer

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laga:

bball_: try enabling the "browse mode"

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bball_:

Juski: its much better now then it was when I last tried it :-)

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Juski:

infact I'm a little worried about how bad livetv with DVB is for that show I'm exhibiting at

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bball_:

can you be more speicifc about 'bad' ? :-)

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Juski:

I might just disable it altogether

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Juski:

bad? like > 5 seconds to change channel!

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bball_:

ok. thats my main 'problem' right now

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Juski:

that's assuming we can get livetv to work at the show inside the building

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bball_:

laga: where is the browse mode ?

[10:02:13]

laga:

just don't demo livetv. :)

[10:02:26]

laga:

bball_: you can enable that somewhere in the settings. can't look it up for you now, i'm sorry

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laga:

morning juski, btw

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bball_:

pfft.. what use are you :-)

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Juski:

bball_: utilities/setup > settings > TV

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Juski:

morning laga

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Juski:

laga: yeh I think I might just 'sell' myth from my point of view ;-)

[10:03:46]

laga:

Juski: righto ;)

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laga:

someone came to the mythtv booth at linuxtag and said they're gonna write 1–2 books about mythtv. and the german computer magazine c't is gonna feature it, too (for the first time again after two years, iirc)

[10:04:52]

bilboed:

Hi all. Is it possible to use mythtv (for listening to music and internet radio) with just lcd (VFD) and remote control ? I'd only like to switch on the video output when watching videos.

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Juski:

bilboed: currently the LCD doesn't show any UI stuff

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Juski:

so er.. no

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bball_:

how fast are channel changes for tv tuner cards ?

[10:06:37]

bilboed:

Juski, damn, that's a shame :(

[10:06:47]

laga:

bball_: for my pvr 250, it's quite fast. probably <1s

[10:07:09]

bilboed:

Juski, any way to create a plugin (python?) to show some info on lcd too ?

[10:07:09]

Juski:

bball_: for my pvr150, and external cable box – fast – MUCH faster than DVB.. about as fast as the cable box changes

[10:07:16]

bball_:

why the disparity between that and dvb0s ?

[10:07:33]

laga:

those dvb cards need locking and so on. but i believe it's being worked on, dunno

[10:07:34]

Juski:

bball_: DVB drivers for one thing

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bball_:

at a high level isn't the same things required ?

[10:07:57]

Juski:

bilboed: mythfrontend has a telnet interface now so I guess it'd not be hard

[10:08:18]

Juski:

bball_: it takes a couple of seconds for a DVB tuner to get a 'lock'

[10:08:30]

bilboed:

Juski, urgh. There's no plugin system for mythtv ?

[10:08:32]

Juski:

and then because of the way mythtv waits for a 'lock'

[10:08:42]

Juski:

bilboed: course there is!

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bball_:

with a FF card channel changes are very fast

[10:09:09]

bilboed:

Juski, any python bindings ? :)

[10:09:11]

Juski:

yeh but how many FF cards are there now?

[10:09:19]

Juski:

bilboed: this isn't fucking XBMC lameness

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bball_:

nexus-s ? :-)

[10:09:37]

bilboed:

Juski, beg your pardon ?

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bball_:

I don't know of any others

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Juski:

bball_: FF cards are alright for DVB-S – but there are no FF DVB-T cards are there

[10:10:14]

Juski:

bilboed: no there's no python bindings

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Juski:

all I'm saying is that if you don't want to dig into the mythtv UI code it should be easy-ish to write something that uses the telnet stuff

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bball_:

no.. but there are STB for dvb-t aren't there ?

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bball_:

they can usually cahnge in < 1s

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bball_:

at least the STB for dvb-s can

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laga:

FF cards don't work with mythtv.

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bball_:

I know thats completely different

[10:11:42]

laga:

at least not the output part

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Juski:

bilboed: I might even be wrong about the UI not coming up on the LCD I dunno – never used one. Just going by what I've read about it

[10:12:23]

laga:

i think channel changing times have been beaten to death ;) try search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ for it

[10:12:29]

bilboed:

Juski, aah, right :)

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bball_:

hehe ok

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bball_:

is it 'fixable' :-)

[10:12:52]

Juski:

scanning is being fixx0r3d right now, so channel change times are the last of the devs worries

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bball_:

thats all I'm really curious about

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Juski:

and then so few DVB devs use livetv I doubt they care much about it – whole mux recording will probably come before quicker channel changes

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bball_:

I suspect it can be fixed since things like a dreambox can tune quickly (< 1s) and they are running linux and using the DVB API

[10:13:30]

Juski:

which will in turn make channel changes faster :-P

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Juski:

bball_: yeh but how many of these things are bufferring to disk?

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bball_:

dreambox isn't

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bball_:

there is a livebuffer patch for vdr but I never tried it

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Juski:

VDR isn't either is it

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bball_:

I'd be curious how it affects channel change times

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bball_:

I'll read the ml threads.. I don't want to beat a dead horse :-)

[10:15:56]

Juski:

laga – I just remembered something about the lugradio show yesterday – there's a pool at the hotel

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Juski:

oh dear

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bball_:

I wish there was an HD MPEG2/4 card that had OSD capabilites

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bball_:

and was supported in linux :-)

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bball_:

is that asking for too much ?

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Juski:

yes it is

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bball_:

for some reason software mpeg decoders just don't look as good to me

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bball_:

no matter how much tweaking I do

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Juski:

now the UI is going all spiffy using opengl you'd be left high & dry anyway

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laga:

bball_: it's prolly not the software mpeg decoders, more likely your tv-out

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Juski:

with the 'lame' UI

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Juski:

bball_: use a proper video mode like 720x576i

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Juski:

that improves things no end, when you're not scaling

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Juski:

or for HD, the native res. of the display

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bball_:

there are definately some interesting ideas on how to improve the channel change time on the ml

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bball_:

interesting = won't work are seem impractical :-)

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Juski:

when whole mux recording comes about – you should be able to just swap PIDs

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bball_:

but that has to be on the same tpid

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Juski:

that's what STBs do AFAIK

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bball_:

and full mux recordings will eat lots of disk space

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Juski:

yes, but... it's just one step

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bball_:

on average there are probably 10 channels for xpdr

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bball_:

at least here in north america

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Juski:

I mean instead of starting the tuner for one channel, then tearing it down & killing it before retuning...

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bball_:

I see

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Juski:

the frequency tuned to needn't change as often

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MORA:

I have setup a nexus-s and works fine with svbstream, but when I try to scan for channels in myth it gets stuck at 3% and when I import the saved channels.conf from scan, it says freq is out of range, any ideas ?

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Juski:

MORA: try 0.19-fixes, or 0.19.1 when it comes out

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Juski:

it's a bug

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MORA:

oh

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bball_:

there should be no pattern as to the number of frequency changes

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Juski:

wrong tuning units being used – Hz vs kHz

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MORA:

does mythtv support multiple tuners without the users having to change manually now ?

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Juski:

eh?

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MORA:

read that in .17 the user had to switch manually to use dvb-t instead for exsample

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MORA:

if box has both -s and -t

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Juski:

.17 is ancient history now

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Juski:

it just grabs the first available tuner it needs for the channel you want

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Juski:

AFAIK

[10:39:08]

** Juski implores everybody to stop using lametv.. I mean livetv ;-) **

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bball_:

hehe

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Juski:

you must have something better to do with your time than channel surfing. lordy

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bball_:

do you have if myth uses the dvr0 device to record dvb channels ?

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bball_:

err dvrX

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Juski:

yes it does – it'd have to

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Juski:

you can still get a DVB driver to dump the whole mux out of dvr0 though – unless of course you have a non-budget card :-P

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MORA:

release-0-19-fixes from svn has the dvb fixes ?

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Juski:

has some DVB fixes. DVB stuff is still being worked on

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Juski:

scanning & stuff

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Juski:

scanning is the 1st priority to fix, then EIT

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MORA:

eit?

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Juski:

EPG

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Juski:

in europe we get programme guide over DVB

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MORA:

yes, but isnt it only for 2 programs ? or is it just other apps that limits the usage

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Juski:

no it's for everything that the streams have available – so it depends on the service provider

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Juski:

if you're in Australia you may aswell forget it – it's just not reliable – the data changes & ends up wrong too often

[10:48:19]

Juski:

wrong show, wrong time, wrong channel...

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Juski:

if it's even there at all

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MORA:

im in denmark, but dont think I will use it anyway, just xmltv

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Juski:

xmltv is good, but when channels start updating EIT data on the fly you'll never miss a show again! e.g. if a show is gonna start 1 hour later than in the TV guide, mythtv will be able to find out – IF the channel updates the EPG quickly enough

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Juski:

the BBC already do that in the UK

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Juski:

very good for times like when Wimbledon overrun by 6 hours

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MORA:

they should just make a new system like the one for vcr, where you enter a code from teletext or magasines

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Juski:

there's even a spec in the DVB whitepapers for sending programme start & end codes

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Juski:

MORA: it's like that but much, much better

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MORA:

then it records the show and not 3mins before the show to be sure

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Juski:

it gets updated in almost real-time

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Juski:

and the other thing you speak of is VideoPLus, which is heavily protected by patents. Which is good cos it's fucking lame anyway

[10:53:21]

Zider:

I can't get digital-tv here.. unless I use a normal aerial (?) antenna

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Juski:

analogue is dying, get used to it

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Zider:

tell that to the morons that put a central digital decoder in the building

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Zider:

all I can get is the analog signal it puts out

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Juski:

you don't have to live there

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Zider:

no digital passthru

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Zider:

Juski: I can't afford to move around

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Zider:

Juski: and lots of other places do the same.. without telling.

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Juski:

they'll have to change when everybody & his dog expects to be able to use their own PVR

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Zider:

and I did say "I can't get digital-tv _here_"

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Juski:

unless they give you all VOD

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Zider:

I like it here.. I just can't get digital-tv.. :P

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Zider:

VOD?

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Juski:

one of the reasons I bought this house is cos I like the location and it has digital cable

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Juski:

video on demand

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

well, when I switched ISP I can get digital-tv via internet.. but that's very limited..

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Zider:

all I really wanna "expand" in tv-way is getting scifi channel.. :/

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Zider:

but digi-tv would be nice too

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Juski:

scifi channel.. sheesh. I thought that was why p2p was invented :-/

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Juski:

(kidding)

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Zider:

:P

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daurn:

yo

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psofa:

anyone that can see bbc prime on hotbird?

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psofa:

i added it manually to the databse

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psofa:

and i dont get audio

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psofa:

i can get video though

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daurnimator:

any1 here?

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psofa:

im here :D

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psofa:

but im here to get help

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jnunez:

I just got here

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psofa:

:P

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daurnimator:

well

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daurnimator:

i want to move away from windows

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jnunez:

LOL I can help with some questions but I am having problems with .19 so we'll see

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daurnimator:

but AFAIK, mythtv is the only non-official software that supports my tv card

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jnunez:

What card

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psofa:

daurnimator, i higly doubt that

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daurnimator:

some avermedia one

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jnunez:

xawTV should work

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daurnimator:

bt878 chipset

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psofa:

mplayer and others can do it too

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daurnimator:

(DVB-T)

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jnunez:

I don't much of the DVB-T cards

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psofa:

daurnimator, i have dvb-t

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jnunez:

but BT878 is supported by v4l

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psofa:

and it works on any v4l software i suppose

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daurnimator:

well

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psofa:

but youll have to test it yourself

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psofa:

however you have high chances

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daurnimator:

i'm looking for the quickest way to get it up and running on linux

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jnunez:

psofa: Any exprience with mythTV .19 and setting up the channels? My tuner is off by one channel. So CBS is on Ch. 2 but in the guide it states Ch. 3

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jnunez:

daurnimator: What Linux?

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daurnimator:

no idea

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psofa:

jnunez, i could bet theres the exact same question in mythtv troubleshooting or sth

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daurnimator:

just want the quickest way

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jnunez:

Ubuntu might have an easy install

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psofa:

channels of by one it says

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daurnimator:

was thinking of suse

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jnunez:

brb

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Zider:

how about mythdora or knoppmyth?

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daurnimator:

sure

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Zider:

I believe they're pretty easy and quick to set up

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daurnimator:

if someone can help me out

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daurnimator:

i'm pretty much a linux noob

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psofa:

can i specify manually the pid/audio id in dvb channels?

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sapbeast:

heh it appears that my drive problems were controller related

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Juski:

psofa: no you can't. not since 0.18 arrived

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psofa:

Juski, im trying to see bbc prime and i cant heard audio

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psofa:

*hear

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psofa:

i get an error about pmt crc

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Juski:

is it in the clear? i.e. unencrypted?

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psofa:

its fta

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psofa:

i can see video

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psofa:

i couldnt it it wasnt fta

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Juski:

psofa: dvb stuff in 0.19 is still in a state of flux right now

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psofa:

it doesnt seem to find an audio stream

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psofa:

as in other channels

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Juski:

that's the SI parser to blame if anything

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Juski:

psofa: search the dev ML with the error

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psofa:

k

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laga:

mythtv is gonna be featured in german TV today :)

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enyc:

laga: ? oooh in what context?

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laga:

enyc: linuxtag :). looks like maniacxs got interviewed *g* on the website of the tv channel, they claim mythtv supports windows, though o_O

[13:58:24]

enyc:

laga: well erm hrrm erm not really

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enyc:

laga: is there even frentend software for win32?

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enyc:

laga: (I know there is macosx frontend)

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laga:

there's winmyth, but it's not maintained anymore and thus broken

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enyc:

kk

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enyc:

I wouldnt be suprised to find it can all be built/ran in cygwin as a _FRONTEND_ (i.e. no v4l) but with lots of edependancies and hassle ;-)

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laga:

yeah

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Juski:

but there's a google summer of code project to port at least the frontend to Bullshit Gates' OS

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laga:

maybe thing swill look better if mythtv ever gets ported to qt4

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laga:

things will*

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Juski:

won't someone please think of the users who have brains who don't need windows?

[14:01:41]

** laga is already working out a plan to have his nephew use linux **

[14:02:29]

scopeuk:

how old is he laga

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laga:

scopeuk: 3 months

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bluey:

i don't see the clue in porting mythtv to windows ...

[14:04:50]

scopeuk:

laga isent there a distro designed for preschoolers round somewhere

[14:04:54]

scopeuk:

think i rememebr seeing it

[14:05:04]

scopeuk:

jsut let him grow up with linux it will seam natural

[14:05:08]

laga:

edubuntu?

[14:05:08]

scopeuk:

jsut like windows does to me

[14:05:12]

laga:

heh

[14:05:13]

scopeuk:

possibly

[14:05:47]

laga:

and linux has all the games a preschooler needs. quake 3, duke nukem 3d, quake 4, unreal tournament...

[14:05:55]

scopeuk:

lol

[14:06:13]

scopeuk:

might install the nvid drivers on my main bow then see how ut2004 runs

[14:06:25]

laga:

qua-qua-qua-quad damage *grunt*

[14:07:19]

scopeuk:

lol

[14:07:29]

scopeuk:

just have to turn off the "holy shit" score message from ut

[14:07:38]

laga:

huh, why's that?

[14:07:53]

scopeuk:

becouse hes a preschooler

[14:07:59]

bluey:

which DVB card is recommended for mythtv?

[14:08:12]

scopeuk:

any ith linux supported drivers

[14:08:25]

laga:

scopeuk: *shrug* looks like he's growing up bilingual then ;)

[14:08:39]

bluey:

hm ok because the manual mentiones sometimes this pvr-350

[14:08:51]

laga:

pvr-350 ain't no dvb

[14:09:17]

bluey:

ok

[14:10:59]

Juski:

pvr-350 is a waste of space if you get a nvidia card with tv out IMHO

[14:12:24]

robthebob:

bluey, hauppage nova-t does the job

[14:12:51]

Juski:

leadtek dtv-1000, etc etc etc

[14:13:39]

Juski:

check www.linuxtv.org

[14:13:59]

bluey:

thanks for the link

[14:14:02]

bluey:

something else

[14:14:16]

Spida:

how far advanced is the .19.1 release? anything more concrete than "nearish time"?

[14:14:35]

bluey:

i`ve got kabeltv here and i think there is dvb-c in my town

[14:14:35]

Juski:

'soon'

[14:14:46]

bluey:

is it better to stick to dvb-c or dvb-t?

[14:14:52]

laga:

bluey: if you're german, you also might wanna join #mythtv-de

[14:14:53]

Juski:

bluey: depends if you get dvb-c unencrypted or not

[14:15:13]

laga:

bluey: lots of dvb-c is encrypted. but the picture quality is better than dvb-t, i've heard

[14:15:16]

laga:

anyways, i'm afk

[14:15:18]

scopeuk:

laga it has translations ;-)

[14:15:25]

Juski:

depends on the bitrates actually

[14:15:43]

Juski:

dvb-c here is shit compared to dvb-t

[14:16:02]

Juski:

depends on bitrates & how many times the video has been encoded & decoded on its way to you

[14:17:37]

scopeuk:

Spida the .19.1 is pret much what is cvs stable branh atm from what ive read

[14:17:38]

Spida:

Juski "soon" like "days" or mor like "weeks"?

[14:17:47]

Juski:

Spida: I dunno. soon

[14:17:55]

Juski:

like they said 0.19 was 'soon' ;-)

[14:18:19]

Juski:

it'd be a mistake if 0.19.1 is released before dvb scanning is fixed properly etc

[14:18:44]

Juski:

or maybe they'll just say "fuck you" to all the whiny users & just not bother :-P

[14:18:52]

scopeuk:

i wish it could pull channel names from cc like my tv does

[14:18:55]

scopeuk:

but i can live without it

[14:19:05]

scopeuk:

thats on analog card ill point out

[14:19:13]

psofa:

is anyone on hotbird here?

[14:19:24]

Juski:

scopeuk: if someone codec for it, it would – but then what'd be the point- analogue has til 2012 at most

[14:20:24]

scopeuk:

its all some of us have

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Juski:

where do you live?

[14:21:22]

scopeuk:

uk

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scopeuk:

i mena all i have as in avaliable hardware

[14:21:36]

scopeuk:

not as in signals

[14:21:53]

scopeuk:

my current worth is £2.20

[14:22:05]

Juski:

scopeuk: where in the uk

[14:22:11]

scopeuk:

nottinghamshire

[14:22:18]

Juski:

you have til 2010

[14:22:28]

scopeuk:

4 years

[14:22:32]

Juski:

one less beer a week...

[14:22:37]

scopeuk:

im at uni that whole time basicaly

[14:22:42]

scopeuk:

heh i cant afford a beer

[14:22:46]

scopeuk:

not atm any way

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Juski:

oh and get ready for the backlash when owners of old ondigital boxen find their gear is useless when we move to 8k DVB from 2k

[14:25:08]

** Juski emits a loud, eeevil laugh **

[14:25:19]

scopeuk:

muhahahaha

[14:26:05]

Juski:

still, its not as though TV is a birthright – so they have nothing to get pissed about, right? ;-)

[14:26:19]

scopeuk:

;-)

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scopeuk:

shame i cant use my didgi box as a recorder/output viathe network

[14:29:25]

scopeuk:

taht whould be swet

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scopeuk:

although i think id upset afew people

[14:29:51]

daurnimator:

any1 got tut/s on how to install mythtv on suse?

[14:32:55]

psofa:

is anyone here on hotbird? if so can he test 11117 V sid 144601 ?

[14:35:23]

psofa:

bleh

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psofa:

the only good channel i could find on this damn satelite wont work

[14:44:31]

Juski:

suse? ugh

[14:44:58]

Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

[14:45:01]

Juski:

oooo look ^^^^

[14:45:18]

Juski:

google is amazing

[14:45:30]

daurnimator:

lol

[14:45:34]

bluey:

omg

[14:45:44]

bluey:

you know you give them with every klick money :p ?

[14:46:18]

Juski:

so? everyone who access my website – about 50% of them are giving money to Microsoft. Suckers

[14:47:00]

bluey:

whats your website? i wanna ban it :D

[14:47:21]

Juski:

I mean that 50% of users who go there are running IE

[14:47:25]

laga:

daurnimator: www.mythonsuse.org

[14:47:31]

bluey:

ah ok ;)

[14:47:53]

scopeuk:

heh Juski not all of us windows peps run ie

[14:47:59]

Juski:

I think mythtv will fork when the windows patch comes along

[14:48:01]

scopeuk:

i have 5 browsers on this box for compatability

[14:48:32]

scopeuk:

Juski even if it was jsut a front end

[14:48:39]

scopeuk:

i could see a fork if the whole system did

[14:48:51]

scopeuk:

by front end i mean a proper port not win myth (shudder)

[14:49:22]

scopeuk:

like

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daurnimator:

laga: The server at www.mythonsuse.org is taking too long to respond.

[14:50:48]

Juski:

sod that – if mythtv ends up on windows I'll leave the forums & I'll never be seen here again, believe me it'll be bad

[14:51:36]

scopeuk:

even just a front end?

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

you ever seen a windows PVR forum?

[14:52:06]

daurnimator:

sad

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daurnimator:

:S

[14:52:27]

Juski:

"help my cappy thingy not worky. it worky in the thingy, but now it broked"

[14:52:47]

Juski:

mythtv has turned me into a linux zealot :-D

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Zider:

sounds like any windows forum :P

[14:53:12]

laga:

that's just an euphemism for "bitter bastard" ;)

[14:53:20]

scopeuk:

Juski we jsut do the honerable thing giv em there over suport forumwhere even i can look good

[14:53:30]

scopeuk:

and have an auto kick for mentioning said frontend in this channel

[14:55:24]

Juski:

laga: bitter? moi? haha! damn right. and it's not even directly because of mythtv

[14:55:32]

Juski:

or linux...

[14:55:37]

Zider:

or me..

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Zider:

;)

[14:55:47]

laga:

Juski: don't talk to me about life.

[14:56:08]

Zider:

marwin?

[14:56:25]

laga:

was that his name? the paranoid android?

[14:56:32]

Juski:

marvin

[14:56:34]

Zider:

yes

[14:56:44]

Juski:

brain the size of a planet & all they ask me to do is make cables

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Juski:

and "which tuner card will worky?"

[14:57:15]

Zider:

brain the size of a planet and the body of a fucking Sony robot toy

[14:57:51]

scopeuk:

yes

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Zider:

the movie sucked donkey bollocks :P

[14:58:11]

scopeuk:

Juski beginers will be beginers wer were/are all green one day

[14:58:19]

laga:

Zider: yep.

[14:59:12]

Zider:

perhaps if they did one movie per book they might have fit all the jokes in there.. perhaps.. but now they totally lost the points..

[14:59:42]

Juski:

scopeuk: yeh but back then I thought the elitists could go fuck themselves. Now on the other hand.. I am that elitist

[15:00:02]

Juski:

it _made_ me learn :-)

[15:00:10]

Juski:

hand it all on a plate to em & they stay dumb

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Zider:

I learned my linux "skills" by trial and reinstall.. hrm.. :P

[15:01:39]

scopeuk:

i usually end up learning em by breaking it

[15:02:05]

Zider:

yeah.. and then reinstall.. ;)

[15:02:10]

laga:

me too

[15:02:25]

scopeuk:

im still breaking things now

[15:02:30]

scopeuk:

was ammazed when my first attempt at a kernal modal worked

[15:02:34]

Juski:

I think the uPNP stuff for myth that people are talking about will be very good for mythtv though

[15:02:41]

Zider:

"oh, cat /dev/urandom >/dev/hda fracked uip my drive.. *mental note*"

[15:02:41]

Zider:

;)

[15:05:27]

Juski:

and watch out for a misplaced slash when you rm -rf *

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laga:

oh yeah. that one got me a few times :/

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scopeuk:

yeh / instead of ./

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** _nero_ thinks rm should recognize the drastic rm -rf / , and ask you if you are sure you want to do this.. **

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Juski:

nah

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_nero_:

even though you pass the f.. it is very rare that one would REALLY be doing rm -rf / ...

[15:11:57]

Juski:

studies have shown that users get used to answering 'Y' to those kind of questions

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Zider:

they should have to actually type "Yes" then :P

[15:12:28]

Juski:

they'd make a keyboard macro

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Juski:

users are stupid

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Zider:

;)

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Juski:

you can't do anything to protect them from themselves

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_nero_:

even if the warning said "YOU ARE ABOUT TO COMPLETELY HOSE YOUR SYSTEM.. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? TYPE 'YES I AM A BONEHEAD AND WANT TO HOSE MY SYSTEM' TO CONTINUE: "

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Juski:

lol

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Zider:

well, it could protect us more senior users from spelling mistakes :D

[15:13:01]

Juski:

maybe THEN

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scopeuk:

yes is a great program

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Juski:

are you sure? Y/N?

[15:13:31]

Juski:

sure you're sure? Y/N

[15:13:41]

Juski:

sure you're sure, you#re sure? y/n

[15:13:48]

laga:

shizzle mah nizzle/N

[15:13:48]

Juski:

do you want to install spyware?

[15:13:51]

Juski:

shit

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Zider:

I believe reiserfsck --rebuild-tree requires you to type "Yes" (with capital y) to continue

[15:14:41]

Juski:

drizzle mah jizzle on yer fizzle

[15:15:05]

laga:

Juski: that sounds grose

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scopeuk:

whould make sense to make em type "Nuke My Drive"

[15:15:14]

scopeuk:

they whould maby then think about it

[15:15:18]

Zider:

duke nukem

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Juski:

oops... I'm not aux fais with 'street'

[15:15:54]

Zider:

aux what?

[15:16:04]

Juski:

familiar

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laga:

au fait?

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Zider:

aux fai.. auxilary failure? ;)

[15:16:16]

Juski:

lol

[15:16:17]

Juski:

oops

[15:16:27]

Juski:

problem with the chair-keyboard interface again

[15:16:39]

_nero_:

but.. should linux really be there to protect people from themselves????

[15:16:44]

Juski:

trying to work out how the hell to get this shower rail thing apart

[15:16:50]

Zider:

ID-10-T error

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_nero_:

showe rail?

[15:17:21]

_nero_:

try a sawsall?

[15:17:28]

_nero_:

blow torch?

[15:17:29]

Juski:

makes me laugh when I read stories like the one about the bloke who bought an RV, put it in cruise control then went into the back to make some coffee

[15:17:41]

_nero_:

hehe yeah.. not too wise..

[15:17:52]

Juski:

and all because the book didn't say "cruise control is not auto pilot, dickwad"

[15:18:21]

laga:

omg just a few seconds till mythtv on TV

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_nero_:

or how about the guy who locked himself out of his house yesterday, and almost fell out the window while trying to climb his way back in..

[15:18:24]

** laga is teh excited **

[15:18:26]

_nero_:

er.. wait.. that was me..

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laga:

now!

[15:18:38]

_nero_:

what channel?

[15:18:39]

scopeuk:

remeber no matter how good your id-10t erro prevention system is there will always be a newer revison of id=10t to screw you

[15:18:51]

Zider:

I think people that screws up their systems because they're just plain bloody dumb only have themself to blame.. but if you just make a spelling error it should at least warn.. :P

[15:18:57]

Juski:

is anyone recording it?

[15:19:01]

Juski:

:-P

[15:19:05]

laga:

Juski: me.

[15:19:08]

laga:

it's over.

[15:19:13]

laga:

wow, that was exciting. :)

[15:19:26]

scopeuk:

now if only it was legal to distribut it

[15:19:31]

Juski:

wait til Fox pick it up – can't imagine the spin they'll put on it

[15:19:32]

laga:

sad, they didn't let maniacxs talk :/ and they didn't give the URL to meinmythtv

[15:20:07]

Juski:

"today some geeks unveiled a video recorder you can put on your computer. AMAZING! now back to you in the studio, Jim"

[15:21:01]

Juski:

ahhh you evil, evil bastards... "The Creda Web site requires Internet Explorer version 4 or above,

[15:21:02]

Juski:

or Netscape Navigator version 4, to be viewed correctly."

[15:21:07]

Juski:

but that gives me an idea

[15:21:34]

_nero_:

uhhh.. firefox >> Netscape Nav 4...

[15:22:19]

_nero_:

who leads up mythweb?

[15:22:20]

Juski:

no matter – they dont have user manuals on their site anyway :-/

[15:22:22]

Juski:

xris

[15:22:30]

Zider:

my internet-bank complains about "firefox 1 or higher needed" when I try to log in with firefox 1.5 :P

[15:22:41]

Zider:

or at least it used to, dunno if they fixed their shit :P

[15:22:50]

_nero_:

Juski- do you do theming stuff? (I am trying to remember who does what, somehow I thought you were the mythweb guy)

[15:23:17]

Juski:

theming shit, thats my middle name after luser abuser

[15:23:47]

_nero_:

Juski "Tha Themah" luser abuser?

[15:23:52]

Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem

[15:24:02]

laga:

_nero_: jams does theming, too

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Zider:

are the themes scaled "on the fly" or are they pre-made for certain resolutions?

[15:24:11]

_nero_:

ahhh. yes.. Jams..

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Juski:

Jams made Syth & Midnight – or at least had a hand in making them

[15:24:52]

_nero_:

You did ProjectGreyhem.. I used that one for a while.. but was a tad bit too dark for me..

[15:24:55]

Juski:

themes are scaled when you load mythfrontend or when you adjust the size in the appearance menu

[15:24:57]

_nero_:

but it is very nice..

[15:25:10]

Juski:

I know, but thanks

[15:25:12]

Juski:

;-)

[15:25:16]

_nero_:

I need need need to finish my theme..

[15:25:45]

Juski:

_nero_: check out all the changes to theming stuff in SVN – there's been a lot since 0.19 came out

[15:26:04]

Juski:

r9381 is the next on my list

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_nero_:

Juski, no, I mean I think it is great.. just not my preference.. if there was a light grey/slate colored version, I'd be all over it.. :)

[15:26:07]

Zider:

Juski: I see.. so it works even on really odd resolutions? :)

[15:26:20]

Juski:

but that might break it for users of 0.19 :-/

[15:26:24]

Juski:

Zider: yes

[15:26:33]

Juski:

16:9 themes are based on 1280x720 res

[15:26:39]

Juski:

4:3 are based on 800x600

[15:26:44]

Zider:

oki

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Juski:

everything inbetween is scaled

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_nero_:

Juski, yeah, I am using svn from a week or two ago.. I started my theme with 0.17, didn't finish it before 0.18, then there were a few changes.. didnt finish before 0.19.. but I think the OGL stuff will make it look great..

[15:27:11]

Juski:

I think there's little point in just using GL for fading

[15:27:17]

Juski:

fading?!

[15:27:19]

Juski:

why?

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laga:

Juski: there will be other changes

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Juski:

I guess it's only a stepping stone to having animation

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_nero_:

Juski, I know.. I was looking at the code, seeing if there was a way to group buttons, so that the transition could be specified in the theme file..

[15:28:14]

Juski:

over the coming weeks/months all the UI will be turned upside down

[15:28:17]

Zider:

I got a really odd problem when I tried 720x576 or whatever that resolution is.. upper left part of the picture were outside the picture.. dunno if it was just mythtv or the whole x image.. :P

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mejo:

hello

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Juski:

so prepare to have to re-do anything you manage to acheive

[15:28:42]

armand:

good morning everyone

[15:28:44]

mejo:

i try to compile the ivtvdev X driver for modular X11R7 on my debian amd64 box.

[15:29:01]

mejo:

i found some patches for doing it on the ivtv-devel mailinglist.

[15:29:09]

mejo:

unfortunately this fails:

[15:29:13]

mejo:

checking dependency style of gcc... (cached) gcc3

[15:29:13]

mejo:

./configure: line 19338: syntax error near unexpected token `RENDER,'

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mejo:

./configure: line 19338: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RENDER, renderproto)'

[15:29:22]

Juski:

so ask in #ivtv-dev then ;-)

[15:30:06]

mejo:

Juski: thanks, i was not aware of this channel ;-)

[15:30:19]

_nero_:

Juski, yeah.. I figure I'll wait until all the mixup occurs..

[15:30:43]

_nero_:

but, I have to be honest- I do like the fade as a start.. it just makes the UI seem a bit more smooth/professional.

[15:30:58]

Juski:

standalone boxen don't do any fancy stuff

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_nero_:

I'd hardly call a fade "fancy".. ;)

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Juski:

I'd call pulsating icons 'fancy' – and that kind of thing is planned

[15:31:49]

_nero_:

maybe I am just a sucker for some eye candy.. (at least that's what I tell my wife when we go to the beach)

[15:32:08]

_nero_:

Juski- will that be theme dependant, or user controllable??

[15:32:18]

Juski:

at this stage, who knows

[15:32:31]

_nero_:

btw: is there a list of what is planned for mythui?

[15:32:41]

Juski:

if it's not turn-offable something will be done

[15:33:55]

Juski:

_nero_: nah it's all just off the cuff at the mo'

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_nero_:

I was thinking something along the lines of being able to group buttons/icons, then specify the transition.. ala- all buttons fade out, and the icon does a zoom fade..

[15:35:12]

Juski:

like MCE (cough) does?

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_nero_:

that way the themer can specify how he wants things to work, from a library of transitions, animations, etc..

[15:35:31]

_nero_:

I was using MCE as an example, because it is something I have seen..

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Juski:

it looks very spiffy but I can imagine the animation becoming tiring after a while

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scopeuk:

remmebr seeing an mce theme for myth sure as hell tis plagurism but it whould fool some

[15:36:05]

_nero_:

but have different options for the transitions (simple fade, swoops, etc..)

[15:36:13]

Juski:

that'd be mythcenter then

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scopeuk:

yeh thats the one

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scopeuk:

came with my install

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Zider:

I just want static icons/menus/whatever, no animations or fadings..

[15:38:13]

Juski:

haha.. I've just had to lube up the shower mounting pole to get the attachments onto it

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_nero_:

hell.. there could be a seperate "transitions" theme..

[15:38:21]

Juski:

read into that what you will

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_nero_:

one could be "static" another could be "MCE"..

[15:39:09]

_nero_:

so the user selects a theme, then can select a "transition" type.. so users like Zider can go with static/no movement, while others can choose hyped up, super eye candy, 3 minute transitions if they want.

[15:39:23]

Zider:

;D

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Zider:

3D-menus

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Zider:

in XGL style ;)

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_nero_:

hehe

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_nero_:

I've played with Frontrow.. I like its interface, but dont know if it would work well with more than 5 or so menu options.

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Juski:

that'd be a big bonus actually – have themes that can go horizontal but not in the way minimalist-wide does

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_nero_:

My other question is- on a tivo- you can get a "smooth" fastforwarding of TV.. is this possible currently with mythtv? Or any plans to do this?

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Juski:

it's possible – they just don't bother at more than 3X

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Juski:

I think it'd mean putting more entries into the recordedmarkup table

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Juski:

and that's already big enough IMHO

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_nero_:

humm.. I guess I hadn't seen this.. I have it set such that my FF button jumps 30 seconds or something..

[15:43:58]

_nero_:

then the RR button goes back 5 seconds.. makes it hard to FF easily.. (ex- I end up jumping too far forward, then have to jump back back, then watch 4 seconds of what I didn't want to watch..

[15:45:17]

_nero_:

also, (not sure if this is possible either) while I am throwing out ideas for the UI- have acceleration on the arrow key press.. such that if you hold it down, it goes faster through the menu..

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speedsix:

Hi

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TinheadNed:

'lo

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TinheadNed:

this isn't a mythtv question, but i'm figuring ppl will have seen it here- my console seems to have grabbed the output of the IR from my nova-t capture card

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TinheadNed:

i'm very confused

[15:47:52]

Juski:

_nero_: suggest it on the users-list

[15:48:25]

Juski:

TinheadNed: that's because the IR module for the nova-t is actually like a virtual keyboard hack

[15:48:56]

TinheadNed:

Juski: i'm just a bit confused, as it worked yesterday with lircd, and today it doesn't

[15:49:01]

Juski:

also _nero_ do you know how hard it is to seek backwards in mpeg files?

[15:49:26]

_nero_:

Juski- obviously not. ;)

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Juski:

I'm not saying for a minute that it can't be done though

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Juski:

it's just _hard_

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_nero_:

Are you referring to my first comment?? Or the second (the arrow keys)

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_nero_:

For the arrow keys, I am meaning, in the menus/guide, etc..

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speedsix:

TinheadNed, do you mean console shows chars when pressing buttons?

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: yes

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: and irrecord has stopped working

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speedsix:

I'm sure that is normal, lirc still should work has normal, I have the same card

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: i was about to teach lirc the rest of the buttons on my remote, and now I can't

[15:52:13]

speedsix:

TinheadNed, I don't use the remote anymore but I remember I had to patch the kernel to get some of the buttons to work, up/down/enter etc.

[15:53:01]

TinheadNed:

speedsix: I only got my bits to make a mythtv box yesterday, and so am very new at all this#

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speedsix:

np, do you have the same problem in that some buttons work and some don't?

[15:53:49]

Juski:

_nero_ I meant the reversing thru mpeg files ;-)

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: yeah – but no issues with keys repeated or anything

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speedsix:

do you up/down/left/right buttons not work? If so it sounds like the same prob

[15:54:58]

TinheadNed:

no, they do work – it's ones like channel up/down

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TinheadNed:

and ones labelled "tv", "video", and stuff

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: what wm do you use with mythtv?

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speedsix:

I have a feeling they don't register anything

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speedsix:

I did use the remote on Ubuntu

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: I get that impression

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speedsix:

are you running the lirc program that shows you the key names when you press the buttons, the name of the command escapes me

[15:58:02]

TinheadNed:

irw?

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speedsix:

that's the one

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speedsix:

I'm pretty sure those buttons didn;t register keypresses on Ubuntu either

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TinheadNed:

yeah – it returned stuff last night, and not today

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speedsix:

Oh, odd

[15:59:25]

TinheadNed:

i've changed kernel, but not a major revision, just changing from ck-sources

[15:59:47]

speedsix:

Anyone got any suggestions why mythburn created dvds have no sound?

[16:00:28]

speedsix:

I can't test it unfortunately because I've switched to a seperate backend/frontend setup and obviously my nova-t remote connects to the backend now

[16:00:56]

speedsix:

Juski, are you a mythtv dev?

[16:01:28]

Juski:

speedsix: no way

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Hoochster:

getting an error on compile /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL anyone know possibly what dep I am missing?

[16:01:34]

speedsix:

TinheadNed, read this http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

[16:01:59]

Juski:

Hoochster: you're missing the opengl-dev stuff maybe?

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speedsix:

Oh, seem to know alot that's all

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speedsix:

English aren't you?

[16:02:14]

Juski:

yep

[16:02:30]

Juski:

I've done a small patch & a couple of themes, if that counts for anything

[16:02:36]

speedsix:

I see

[16:02:47]

speedsix:

What cards do you use?

[16:02:57]

Juski:

2 DVB-T and one pvr150

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speedsix:

Which DVB_T cards?

[16:03:24]

Juski:

have a 3rd DVB-T tuner but that's in a spare box

[16:03:43]

Juski:

leadtek lr6650 – got them on ebay for silly low prices – all of them under Â£25

[16:03:54]

speedsix:

That is a superb price

[16:04:06]

Juski:

it's basically a leadtek dvt-1000 without the video inputs

[16:04:28]

Juski:

never got the bastard to work in windows properly for more than 5 mins at a time, so that's why I'm using mythtv

[16:04:38]

speedsix:

My nova-t doesn't seem to like 0.19 unless I set 10000 millisecond delays when setting up the card

[16:04:54]

Juski:

I upgraded from 0.18.1 so I had no trouble

[16:04:59]

speedsix:

On the standard values it just won't tune

[16:05:07]

Juski:

though my test system won't scan at all without huge timeouts

[16:05:13]

speedsix:

0.18 was fine

[16:05:30]

speedsix:

I assume they changed the way scanning was done from 0.18 to 0.19

[16:05:40]

Juski:

yeh but the devs fixx0r3d stuff in 0.18 & made a lot of changes – it's still being worked on to fix it

[16:06:18]

speedsix:

Is that the reason I need large timeout values to make it work? Tzap/scan works fine

[16:08:04]

Juski:

speedsix: here's the answer – under the v4l DVB api some drivers don't return what myth is expecting when it issues a tune command

[16:08:25]

pikhq:

http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/2006/05/l . . . d-facts.html Shelley's sequel to the link that was up in here last night. . .

[16:08:27]

Juski:

so making myth wait a little longer gets around the timeoput issue

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speedsix:

I see

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pikhq:

Really not sure if this person is worthy of the name "Homo sapiens sapiens"

[16:09:24]

Juski:

what a fucktard that shelley bloke is!

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speedsix:

So who does the buck stop with then, the dvb driver peeps?

[16:09:52]

pikhq:

Red Hat 3.0 vs. Windows Server 2003.

[16:10:14]

pikhq:

No comparision, in /my/ opinion: Red Hat 3.0 still wins (it has zsh and screen, and that's all I need :p)

[16:10:15]

Juski:

speedsix: not quite. there have been accusations from the dvb driver peeps of myth using a deprecated API

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Zider:

shelley the republican is all made up.. it's bogus..

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Juski:

do not feed the trolls

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Juski:

I repeat...

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pikhq:

I'd hope so; if not, I demand immediate execution by guillotine.

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speedsix:

I see

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TinheadNed:

is anyone here from the uk? i ask as mythtv doesn't seem to find all the channels that e.g. tzap does

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N4IRS:

Hi, I am unable to connect to ftp.shspvr.com. Can someone point me to a mirror for the PVR-350 firmware?

[16:11:33]

speedsix:

LOL just what we were talking about

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Juski:

TinheadNed: see some mailing list threads

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speedsix:

TinheadNed, try increasing the timeout values when you setup your card

[16:11:55]

Juski:

TinheadNed: the full tuned scan in 0.19 does not work

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Juski:

you can import a channels.conf you know

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Juski:

from dvb-apps' dvbscan

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speedsix:

but that won't be any good if he doesn't adjust the timeouts

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Hoochster:

juski thanks was actually a prob with my nvidia drivers and nvidia-glx-dev getting replaced by mesa-common-dev but got me looking thank you

[16:13:48]

Juski:

.. which will lead to problems if you want EIT EPG stuff to work – but see here http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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TinheadNed:

Juski: speedsix: thanks

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Juski:

speedsix: my cards work just fine in 0.19 without altering the default timeout

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Juski:

I didn't dare try scanning though

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speedsix:

Mine is useless on the default values, it'll find a few channels, then maybe a few more, maybe none atall

[16:15:06]

Juski:

might also be because I have a 2.6.12 kernel – before the dvb driver got more broken

[16:15:33]

Juski:

I mean.. before they made more improvements to the driver which mythtv still doesn't take advantage of

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Juski:

(read whichever for the side you happen to be on)

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speedsix:

Juski, am I being blonde but your link didn't work, can you post it again

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: where are you changing the timeouts, sorry?

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Juski:

TinheadNed: in mythtv-setup

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Juski:

in the capture card page

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TinheadNed:

ah, dur

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Juski:

I think there's one in the scanning page too

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TinheadNed:

just whack it up by a factor of 10 I suppose

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speedsix:

sounds good

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speedsix:

I ticked the ignore signal timeouts bix aswell

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speedsix:

..when scanning

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speedsix:

Juski, do you know if dvb-t cards will be capable of recieving HD?

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Juski:

speedsix: oh yay, oh yay :-)

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hashbang:

http://uk.aldi.com/special_buys/product_1914.html # Aldi DVB-T card, 29.99

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Juski:

that's all a very long way off though

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Juski:

woot!

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Juski:

"Real-time MPEG-2 recording format".. bull SHIT

[16:20:53]

Juski:

they do that in the windows software, folks

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hashbang:

well, it's DVB, so real-time MPEG-2 is about as easy as it gets.

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speedsix:

I thought the raw stream was already mpeg2?

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hashbang:

speedsix: exactly. :-)

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speedsix:

Why does my myth 0.19 have a mixture of .nuv and .mpg files?

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Juski:

yeh but there's gonna be folks who think the video input is mpeg2 encoded too

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N4IRS:

Hi, I am unable to connect to ftp.shspvr.com. Can someone point me to a mirror for the PVR-350 firmware?

[16:22:48]

hashbang:

speedsix: analogue and DVB cards in your machine?

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Juski:

speedsix: you have old recordings from a previous install?

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speedsix:

no just a dvb-t card

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speedsix:

nope

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Juski:

you transcoded any shows?

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speedsix:

yeah but they seem to start off in .mpg, no idea what the .nuv files are?

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speedsix:

All the shows listed in Mythweb are .mpg

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Juski:

the transcoded files might be .nuv

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TinheadNed:

hurah, i have bbc-one

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speedsix:

:)

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Juski:

either that, speedsix or you found a bug

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speedsix:

0.18 was all .nuv files

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Juski:

heh.. can't wait to buy my golfing slacks: http://uk.aldi.com/images/data_product/139268 . . . 80f7c23a.jpg

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

speedsix: maybe there's a buggette in mythweb – only showing filenames as mpg...

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Juski:

check the mailing lists, yada yada ;-)

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Juski:

fuck! I only have 10GB free out of erm... loads

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pikhq:

You should be able to get a couple more shows out of that. . .

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speedsix:

Decided to use knoppmyth for my backend and the apt-get repositories seems completely fooked

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hashbang:

Juski: situation normal, here.

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k-man:

hello

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speedsix:

k-man, hi

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hashbang:

Juski: (given how many GB I have allocated to MP3s and emulator ROMs, anyway)

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k-man:

i have 2 tuners in my system, and ABC is only available on one of the tuners

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speedsix:

dvb?

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k-man:

mythtv keeps recording shows on ABC that are blank files

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k-man:

as though its trying to record them on a non existant tuner or something

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k-man:

any idea how i can track down the problem?

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k-man:

hi speedsix

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speedsix:

Juski, were those cards you picked up on ebay from an ebay shop, or private?

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speedsix:

i.e are there any more ;)

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Juski:

speedsix: both – and there don't seem to be any more

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speedsix:

Any suggestions why my mythburn dvd's have no sound before I toss the lot out the window?

[16:33:31]

speedsix:

:( cheers anyway

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speedsix:

what card was it again, I'll look on ebuyer

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Juski:

k-man you do know that abc1 is only on air for some time in the day don't you? the radiotimes listings are for cable/satellite and will mislead mythtv

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k-man:

Juski, abc in australia

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TinheadNed:

what resolution should I have on a tvout for a widescreen tv? should it be a 16:9 ratio?

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speedsix:

Standard definition?

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: 720x576?

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speedsix:

I assume so

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Juski:

I've got DISPLAYSIZE set to 400 225 in my xorg.conf

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Juski:

and I use 'fill' aspect in mythtv

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Juski:

k-man: oh

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k-man:

in channels, does the visible setting prevent myth from recording on that channel?

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Juski:

now I've got 33GB free.. woo

[16:38:19]

Juski:

k-man I dunno – maybe

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speedsix:

So what does 'hardware encoding' mean on a dvb-t card??

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TinheadNed:

Juski: I forget, is displaysize the virtualscreen type size? and youre just reducing it to below the physical res?

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: some recode, don't they?

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speedsix:

to what?

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TinheadNed:

speedsix: mpeg2 instead of mpeg2-ts

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TinheadNed:

?

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speedsix:

Possibley yeah

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speedsix:

Juski, http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=378685 can't go wrong with this can I?

[16:43:11]

TinheadNed:

damn, that's cheap

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hashbang:

my Hauppauge Nova-Ts were only 40GBP inc ea. from PC World.

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Juski:

speedsix: same card as my three but with the video input & remote socket fitted ;-)

[16:45:01]

Juski:

I'd sooner buy hardware from PC world to be honest though

[16:45:04]

Juski:

scan are sharks

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hashbang:

heh

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Juski:

google for www.scam.co.uk

[16:45:21]

hashbang:

I don't think much of PC World, but I think Juski's right.

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Juski:

PC world will take stuff back no matter what

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hashbang:

(PC World do occasionally have some decent loss leader bargains, though)

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Juski:

scan on the other hand – they'll want the receipt, your signature, and your liver

[16:46:06]

hashbang:

e.g. my Logitech 5.1 speakers were cheaper than John Lewis or any mail order.

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k-man:

which table stores the programs schedule for recording?

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Juski:

k-man you need to read the doxygen stuff

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k-man:

doxygne?

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Juski:

http://www.cuymedia.com/doxygen-dev-docs/html/

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laga:

Juski: is it in there? great. got an ...ok, thanks

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Juski:

laga: lol

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speedsix:

Juski, are you saying this HD 'freeview' will actually work on current dvb-t cards?

[16:48:00]

Juski:

speedsix: yup – only it'll be h.264

[16:48:38]

Juski:

as I've said many times here before – good luck decoding that on a <3Ghz machine without hardware acceleration. Oh bugger, there's none of that in linux yet

[16:48:42]

speedsix:

but the card will still be able to pass that to myth right?

[16:48:48]

Juski:

yup

[16:48:56]

TinheadNed:

speedsix: does that card have a hardware encoder?

[16:49:07]

Juski:

no DVB cards have hardware encoders

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Juski:

apart from the hauppauge hvr1300 – and there are still no linux drivers for that yet

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TinheadNed:

Juski: i thought that one had an s-video in?

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Juski:

you really don't wanna mess with software encoding – it's like VHS compared to DVB

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BSG75:

I have a really stupid question: I got my remote and everything working .. how do I tell mythtv to switch channels when I press my remote

[16:50:04]

Juski:

BSG75: you're right. find the FM

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k-man:

ahh, in the record table, i have quite a few shows that have either blank as the channel or a number like #1005

[16:50:22]

k-man:

but all my station channel ids are things like ABC or TEN

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hashbang:

BSG75: in live TV? You should be able to use up/down or enter a channel # and hit OK.

[16:50:44]

k-man:

do you think that those #1005 record entries are the ones causing me hassle?

[16:51:03]

Juski:

k-man myth doesn't use the callsigns

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k-man:

all the shows that record incorrectly say they are on channel #1005 (or similar) instead of a proper channel

[16:51:11]

k-man:

Juski, what does it use?

[16:51:21]

Juski:

chanid

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BSG75:

no I think I didn't explain right .. okay I got myth to work just the way I want .. I have a Firefly remote with uses x10 .. I got that working with the proper keys .. now I jsut can't remember how to tell myth to change channels when I press my firefly remote

[16:51:32]

Juski:

chanid is a unique number that you never see AFAIK

[16:52:14]

Juski:

BSG75: you need lirc, lircd.conf and a lircrc file in ~/.mythtv

[16:52:22]

BSG75:

ah thank u :)

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k-man:

Juski, ah, that could be it

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BSG75:

u absolutley ROCK :)

[16:52:57]

BSG75:

me = very stupid sometimes :)

[16:53:14]

speedsix:

So set-top dvb-t boxes obviously need some sort of hardware decoder

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Juski:

what does ROCK stand for? R Obnoxious, C***, Kootie ??

[16:53:35]

Juski:

speedsix: current freeview boxen will be useless for HD

[16:54:12]

speedsix:

No I know, I just meant the difference between a pci grabber and a proper set-top box that has to decode with some sort of hardware right?

[16:54:24]

Juski:

and people using ondigital boxen now are in for a disappointment when analogue is switched off. Freeview will be moving to 64QAM on all muxes, transmitting in 8k mode which they don't support

[16:54:45]

Juski:

speedsix: yeh – usually a phillips DVB STB chipset or something

[16:54:56]

speedsix:

So are these future HD 'freeview' boxes going to be equipped with 3ghz processors??

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TinheadNed:

Juski: surely only the new hd content would be changing – otherwise getting grannies to upgrade to freeview now would be pointless

[16:55:27]

Juski:

speedsix: nah just the usual 200Mhz MIPS – then a proper HW decoder for the HD

[16:55:40]

speedsix:

I see

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Juski:

TinheadNed: no no no, ondigital boxen will be useless when freeview switches to 8k from 2k

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speedsix:

So are hardware decoders going to be the way forward for HD dvb on linux?

[16:56:15]

Juski:

and all the grannies will miss out on HD unless they buy _another_ new fangled box

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Juski:

speedsix: I doubt it. faster CPUs and when we eventually get Nvidia's h.264 hardware assist in Linux

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Juski:

I'd have said ATI's – but we're still waiting for mpeg2 decoding in linux.. lol

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speedsix:

h264 assist?

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TinheadNed:

Juski: oh, specifically ondigital

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Juski:

a lot of new cards have mpeg4 decoding help

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speedsix:

Right

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TinheadNed:

sorry, thought you were talking about normal freeview

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k-man:

whats wrong with this?

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k-man:

SELECT * FROM record WHERE chanid not in (select chanid from channel)

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Juski:

TinheadNed: yup.. all the old boxen will be useless – including some older freeview ones. ha-ha

[16:58:07]

Juski:

no ; at the end?

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TinheadNed:

Juski: well, HD content may get flagged in europe too knowing our luck

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k-man:

no

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hashbang:

Juski: aren't some channels already 64QAM?

[16:58:25]

k-man:

it still didn't like it

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TinheadNed:

brb

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Juski:

hashbang: yes, but they suck cos only 2k mode is used

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Juski:

when analogue is switched off they're moving to 8k

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speedsix:

Why did we bother going for freeview in the uk anyway, why not jump straight to HD

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hashbang:

Juski: so even if all channels are currently working with a given STB, they may not do 8k 64QAM.

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speedsix:

instead we get Sky with 400 channels of sh*te

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Juski:

64QAM on 8k == slightly better than 16QAM on 2k

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Juski:

hashbang: bingo

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hashbang:

right.

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Juski:

welcome to the great digital swindle

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hashbang:

TBH, I think the way things are going downloadable TV might be the way forward.

[17:00:12]

Juski:

provided the BBC get to keep the licence fee, the HD will be unencrypted

[17:00:25]

hashbang:

it does seem somewhat primitive programming a computer to download stuff when it's broadcast.

[17:00:33]

speedsix:

Anyone know of a nice small (quiet), frontend box which has built in IR?

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Juski:

speedsix: hauppauge MVP

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Juski:

it wont play mpeg4 though – and will only cope with SDTV

[17:01:15]

Juski:

oh and you can't currently schedule recordings with it

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Juski:

apart from that though – it's cool

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speedsix:

I menat a small pc case, y'know these dinky ones

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Juski:

you might wanna look at hoojum stuff

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speedsix:

want to buld a diskless frontend

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speedsix:

*build

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** Juski has a diskless frontend **

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Juski:

use minimyth (www.linpvr.org)

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TinheadNed:

back

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Juski:

minimyth is now supporting some boards other than just Epia stuff

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speedsix:

Juski, You're going to wish you never said that ;)

[17:03:05]

speedsix:

What sort of case do you use?

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Juski:

the hardest thing about configging minimyth is setting up the tftp server

[17:03:15]

Juski:

silverstone lc02 – it's awful

[17:03:23]

Juski:

way too big but I plan to change it

[17:03:24]

speedsix:

So it boots a kernel from the backend?

[17:03:30]

Juski:

speedsix: yup

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speedsix:

over the network?

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Juski:

yup

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TinheadNed:

another stupid question – my tv output is slightly off down and to the right by a pixel or two, leaving a blue overlay line around – anything I can do about that?

[17:03:53]

Juski:

only works on wired networks though

[17:04:05]

Juski:

TinheadNed: xvattr xvcolorkey

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Juski:

google them

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Juski:

either that or adjust your overscan a little

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Juski:

for this lot I hope someone is gonna buy me a pint at lugradiolive2006 http://www.lugradio.org/live/2006/

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Juski:

;-)

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Neeesat25:

I am trying to setup lirc for mythtv but I get lirc_init failed for mythtv

[17:07:04]

Juski:

Neeesat25: did you build mythtv yourself? did you enable lirc?

[17:07:16]

Juski:

do you have lircd running? do you have a valid lircd.conf?

[17:07:22]

Neeesat25:

yes I have enable lirc

[17:07:33]

Neeesat25:

yes I have started lircd

[17:07:38]

Juski:

does irw work?

[17:07:48]

Neeesat25:

no and I cant fegure why

[17:08:01]

Juski:

so it's not a mythtv problem

[17:08:11]

Juski:

check lircd is still running

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Neeesat25:

yes

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Juski:

if it's not, then I suspect you have lircd pointed at the wrong device

[17:08:47]

Juski:

try cat /dev/lirc0 (or whatever your lirc device is) then press keys on the remote

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Juski:

and make sure that the IR receiver is plugged all the way in

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psofa:

actually the lirc howto is decent

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speedsix:

Juski what sort of case are you planning to ditch the current one for?

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Neeesat25:

dev/lirc0 is not responding

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Juski:

speedsix: maybe a hipermedia one I dunno

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Neeesat25:

It does not get any signal

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Neeesat25:

I have put lircd.conf in /etc for haupeuge remote

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Juski:

Neeesat25: I said cat /dev/lirc0 (or whatever your lirc device is)

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Neeesat25:

Yes it does not get anything

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Juski:

do ls -al /dev/ |grep lirc

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Juski:

chances are lircd is pointed to the wrong device

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Neeesat25:

I get a list with lirc0 and lircd

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Juski:

ok

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Juski:

try mode2 then

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Juski:

that should spew out crap when you press remote buttons

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speedsix:

gah, copying 60gb of Simpsons rips over the network to the backend machine, sloooooow

[17:12:20]

Neeesat25:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[17:12:38]

Juski:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

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hashbang:

Neeesat25: my Hauppauge IR ports show up under /dev/input/event? nodes

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hashbang:

Neeesat25: I have two DVB-T cards, so I needed to hack udev a bit in order to get a consistent dev node name

[17:13:25]

Neeesat25:

It's waiting but it does not give anything

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Neeesat25:

when I press the remote

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Juski:

passing you over to hashbang, Neeesat25

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

I only know lirc_serial really

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Neeesat25:

My receiver is serial one

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TinheadNed:

brb

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hashbang:

passing you back over to Juski, Neeesat25 :-)

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Juski:

Neeesat25: which serial port is it plugged into?

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Neeesat25:

com1

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Neeesat25:

I have confugre lirc for com1

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Juski:

you done the setserial bit yet?

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Neeesat25:

no

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Juski:

or did you remove serial ports from the kernel?

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Neeesat25:

Where are those in the list?

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Juski:

I bet if you do ps -ef |grep lirc, you don't see anything, yet /etc/init.d/lircd start shows it as already running

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Juski:

if that is the case, try /etc/init.d/lircd zap

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nero__:

Ahh yes.. my new directv remote is nice!!

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Juski:

then try following some of the mythtv howto for lirc over at www.mythtv.org

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Neeesat25:

no such file or directory

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Juski:

Neeesat25: well use whatever you did to start lircd

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Juski:

which distro are you using?

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Neeesat25:

debian

[17:19:01]

Neeesat25:

I start lircd manualy

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Juski:

ah ok

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Neeesat25:

when I type lircd I get that is already running

[17:19:19]

Juski:

well ...

[17:19:28]

Juski:

try ps'ing for it then

[17:19:49]

Juski:

it might just be that it has a lockfile so it thinks it's already running

[17:20:07]

Neeesat25:

ps gives only two in the list : bash and ps

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Juski:

ps -ef |grep lirc

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Neeesat25:

I get two things in the list lircd and grep lirc

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swifty:

hi, can anyone tell me if the microsoft mce ir blaster is usable by mythTV? i have looked and found thing relating to the ir blasters but nothing mentioning the MCE one..

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Juski:

Neeesat25: so lircd IS running then

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Neeesat25:

thats what I get

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Juski:

I'm starting to get thin on ideas

[17:22:46]

Juski:

is lirc_serial loaded?

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Neeesat25:

yes both lirc_serial and lirc_dev

[17:23:20]

Juski:

before starting lirc_serial you will need to so setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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nero__:

Whats not going Neeesat25 ?

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Juski:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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TinheadNed:

back

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Juski:

then remove the lirc_serial module with rmmod or modprobe -r

[17:23:52]

Juski:

then reload lirc_serial

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TinheadNed:

Juski: i've tried changing the XV_COLORKEY value, and restarted the tv bit, and now the playback is quite uneven

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TinheadNed:

Juski: more annoyingly, setting the var back again and restarting doesn't seem to fix it

[17:24:26]

Juski:

TinheadNed: I dunno what to say then

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Juski:

try using overscan to do away with the line

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TinheadNed:

ta anyway :)

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Neeesat25:

ok restarted

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Juski:

now try irw

[17:26:11]

Juski:

pressy pressy ;-)

[17:26:28]

Juski:

oops – load lircd

[17:26:37]

Juski:

then try irw

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Neeesat25:

irw it doesn't wait for anything

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TinheadNed:

i think it might just be my harddrive, as i'm sure things settle down after a minute

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Neeesat25:

like before

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Neeesat25:

It's like it does not work

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Juski:

irw doesn't wait?

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Neeesat25:

yes

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Juski:

try looking at dmesg to see if the lirc_serial module loads properly

[17:28:35]

Neeesat25:

it looks good

[17:28:52]

Juski:

now I'm stumped – tried everything I know...

[17:29:03]

Juski:

unless the device type isn't right...

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Neeesat25:

how I check that?

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Juski:

and/or permissions

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Juski:

ls -al /dev/ |grep lirc

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Neeesat25:

I get lircd and lirc0

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Juski:

I get

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Juski:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, lirc0 Apr 20 01:25

[17:30:33]

Juski:

what do you get?

[17:30:40]

Neeesat25:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2006-05–06 20:24 lirc0

[17:30:41]

Neeesat25:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2006-05–06 20:26 lircd

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Juski:

hmm

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Juski:

right I'm all out of ideas now

[17:31:16]

Juski:

you have serialport 0 disabled with setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

[17:31:24]

Juski:

you have lirc_serial loaded

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Neeesat25:

yes I did setserial and then restarted lirc_serial

[17:31:42]

Juski:

you've got lircd running and you have a lircd.conf file in /etc

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Neeesat25:

yes I have used the one for haupauge

[17:32:02]

Juski:

but irw and cat /dev/lirc0 doesn't work – nor does mode2

[17:32:27]

Neeesat25:

Mythtv:/usr/local/src# irw

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Neeesat25:

connect: Connection refused

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Juski:

last thing is that maybe lirc_serial isn't set for that COM port

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Juski:

run lircd in a terminal window...

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Juski:

lircd -d /dev/lirc0

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Neeesat25:

I am in the terminal

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Juski:

no I mean just run it as a program not as a daemon

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Neeesat25:

how I do that?

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Neeesat25:

I just type lircd in the terminal to start it

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Juski:

yes and it returns to a prompt does it not?

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Neeesat25:

yes goes to prompt

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Juski:

try lircd -n

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Juski:

I get lircd-0.7.2[24669]: lircd(serial) ready

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Juski:

then open another terminal.. and try irw

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Neeesat25:

lircd: lircd(serial) ready

[17:36:22]

Neeesat25:

lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

[17:36:22]

Neeesat25:

lircd: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

[17:36:22]

Neeesat25:

lircd: default_init(): No such file or directory

[17:36:22]

Neeesat25:

lircd: caught signal

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Neeesat25:

Terminated

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Juski:

haha!

[17:36:40]

Juski:

lircd is configged for the wrong device

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Neeesat25:

you mean wrong com?

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Juski:

in the terminal again try lircd -n -d /dev/lirc0

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Juski:

then try irw again

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Neeesat25:

Mythtv:/usr/local/src# lircd -n -d /dev/lirc0

[17:37:24]

Neeesat25:

lircd: lircd(serial) ready

[17:37:24]

Neeesat25:

lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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Juski:

pressy pressy

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Neeesat25:

it doen's give anything

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Juski:

ok stop irw

[17:38:06]

Juski:

keep lircd running though

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Juski:

try cat /dev/lirc0 now and press remote buttons

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Neeesat25:

again nothing

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Juski:

does the remote have batteries in it?

[17:39:08]

Neeesat25:

yes I was just using it elsewhere

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Juski:

anyway – I think you need to make sure that lircd always starts up listening to /dev/lirc0 not /dev/lirc

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Juski:

as for why it's not actually receiving anything... I'm all out

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nero__:

is this a DIY receiver?

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Neeesat25:

how I make sure that lircd is listening to /dev/lirc0?

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Juski:

always start it with lircd -d /dev/lirc0

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Neeesat25:

oh ok

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psofa:

Neeesat25, you have to make sure the right modules are loaded.Generally when the device module loads it says which device file it created

[17:41:25]

nero__:

Neeesat25, is this a DIY serial receiver?

[17:41:28]

Neeesat25:

or maybe a sim link of /dev/lirc to /dev/lirc0

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Neeesat25:

yes I am sure it's working cause I was using it in linux before

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psofa:

also theres a possibility that udev doesnt automatically create the dev files

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psofa:

and you should make them

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nero__:

nm then.. I was going to see if you did the simple or the "advanced" one.. (I have tried 3x to get the advanced one to work, to no avail)

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Neeesat25:

I have used lirc-0.8.0 I dont know if it's a good idea to go back to 0.7.2

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TinheadNed:

out of interest, what window managers are ppl using here?

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nero__:

TinheadNed, kde here..

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hashbang:

TinheadNed: on myth? metacity, 'coz I can't be bothered to change it.

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nero__:

ran fluxbox for a while, but had focus issues..

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johnsu01:

So, I've just recently got my setup working (mostly). But I just recorded a show, and it says it's recorded, but it doesn't show up in the Watch Recordings list.

[17:46:44]

Juski:

johnsu01: change the recording group view

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Juski:

and if you don't know how to do that, look in the FM :-O

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Neeesat25:

I am out friends. Thanks for your time. I will have to play with it and see whats wrong

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Juski:

okees

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johnsu01:

Juski: It's already set to All Programs. Shouldn't that show it?

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johnsu01:

ah, nm.

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Juski:

was it a scheduled show or a live recording?

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Juski:

ahh you got it already

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johnsu01:

Juski: yeah, thanks.

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johnsu01:

heh, unfortunately I recorded snow :)

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psofa:

btw what do you recommend for a wm?

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psofa:

im using metacity and openbox previously and both had focus problems

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psofa:

one sure way to get the focus problem is to get to the exit screen

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johnsu01:

I don't really like window managers :) So I use ratpoison on any computer I do work on. My myth frontend is running fluxbox, but I never see it, because I just use it for myth (ssh into it for anything else).

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johnsu01:

haven't had any focus problems with fluxbox with myth fullscreen

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lotia:

folks did upgrading to the latest nvidia driver mess things up as far as the GUI and playback size are concerned?

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lotia:

also what mode should i be using for a standard NTSC SD tv?

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johnsu01:

Is anyone using the netflix plugin successfully? I haven't been able to get the login script to work. It returns a 501 error.

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Zider:

are there any documentation on mythmusic that is more detailed than the one in the wiki?

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SarahEmm:

meowhi

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Zider:

what?

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SarahEmm:

meow hi :)

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Zider:

oh

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Zider:

mjew

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SarahEmm:

<-- half kitty

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laga:

o_O

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sapbeast:

well i hope this works after being out of commision for 2 days now... looks like my sata controller was giving me problems

[18:26:02]

k-man:

where can one find the mythrename.pl file?

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laga:

k-man: it ships with mythtv, in the contrib/ dir. if you don't have that, get it from svn.mythtv.org

[18:28:56]

k-man:

laga, it doesn't seem to come with the .debs

[18:29:15]

laga:

k-man: complain to your maintainer

[18:29:20]

k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

i will

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TinheadNed:

does "europe-west" cover the uk?

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Zider:

gah.. I hate f**king idiots that can't set id3 tags properly..

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moemoe:

Zider: ack!

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Zider:

syn?

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moemoe:

Zider: no, synack ;)

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Zider:

syn/ack yes

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Zider:

I just noticed that I have tons of mp3's where they have put the remix version info in the ALBUM field.. which effectively f*cks up my album/title sorting in mythmusic..

[18:44:11]

johnsu01:

SarahEmm: I did eventually get my sound working, btw :) It was a problem with the driver, it seems to only work with alsa compiled into the kernel.

[18:44:26]

SarahEmm:

ahhhh :)

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SarahEmm:

yay!

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SarahEmm:

now i'm fighting with my own myth issue heh

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johnsu01:

uh-oh :)

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Juski:

Zider: yeh those idiots who can't tag set the cddb tags properly, you mean

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Juski:

TinheadNed: yes UK is western europe

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Zider:

Juski: err, yeah.. :P

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ivor:

Juski: uk is in europe? whoa.

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Juski:

yeh but we don't have the Euro :-D

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Zider:

you're in europe but don't have euro.. so you're just 'pe' then?

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ivor:

should be a separate category just for us. :) east-europe, west-europe, and uk.

[18:49:17]

Zider:

yeah, you don't deserve to be in europe ;P

[18:49:27]

ivor:

you can keep it. :P

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Juski:

just for reference – for analogue tuners in mythtv – do we UK users put channel numbers (i.e. 21 to 68) or frequencies in freqid? I've been asked loads of times & could never find any answer

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Zider:

thank you :)

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ivor:

Juski: haven't done if for ages but I thought it was the "channel numbers"

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Juski:

ivor: ta – that's what I thought anyway but couldn't find anything definitive

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ivor:

though I only did it once when I was first playing with myth... and that was a long time ago... so of course I may have forgotten... or it may have changed.

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Juski:

heh. I've never bothered with analogue with an aerial so I dunno either

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Juski:

when I get my spare box going again I might try it

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Juski:

see if there's any way to get watchable pics with software encoding at a quality I like

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Juski:

only for research purposes though. I wouldn't be seen dead watching anything VHS quality

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georgek:

hello all

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georgek:

is there a patch 0.19 to come back to the last tuned channel?

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speedsix:

Hi

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hashbang:

georgek: that's default behaviour, I think.

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speedsix:

Everytime I try to transcode a recording it just says it errored and doesn't finish. Any ideas?

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Juski:

speedsix: did you set up a transcoding profile in recording settings, hmm?

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speedsix:

I think you already know the answer to that ;)

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

xris: you around?

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Juski:

Ediehow: xris isn't the only guy who knows about mythweb & nuvexport

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psofa:

georgek, i would ask if theres a patch to disable this annoying behaviour :D

[19:13:24]

Ediehow:

well, Juski i was going to ask about that performance issue i've come in here about often. i know you guys think it's the motherboard, but i am trying to figure out why i can watch tv in XP with wintv2000 or wintv32 and browse firefox with no problems, but in linux, when i do stuff like browse with firefox during mythtv, it chunks and lags

[19:14:04]

Ediehow:

i don;t think it's the MB cuz it only does it in linux, it seems.

[19:14:12]

Ediehow:

i am wondering if it's my kernel config or what

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georgek:

hashbang, Ok, If I'm watching livetv, then go change the TV playback settings, then go back to live tv, it tunes the myth-setup configured 'default' channel, and not the last tuned channel.

[19:15:40]

Juski:

Ediehow: not that subject again per-lease! ;-)

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Juski:

it'd be the kernel config if it's fixable

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Juski:

you've had the $0.02 worth from everyone about it, just about

[19:16:14]

Ediehow:

Juski: well, i'd consider getting new HW if it didn't do so much better in windows

[19:16:21]

Ediehow:

i can't figure out why that would be

[19:16:26]

Juski:

drivers

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Ediehow:

Juski: i did notice cpu gets near 90% when using firefox or OO while playing with mythtv or other video

[19:16:47]

Juski:

and the way myth works differently

[19:16:55]

Juski:

Ediehow: so try a different browser

[19:17:02]

Ediehow:

Juski: it does it with openoffice, too

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Juski:

or config the linux box for better performance

[19:17:22]

Ediehow:

that's what i was thinking the problem was

[19:17:24]

Juski:

or stop doing too much at once

[19:17:29]

Juski:

;-)

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Ediehow:

Juski: i can't even browse in one monitor while i watch tv in the other in linux:(

[19:17:43]

Juski:

you can't devote all your time to more than one thing

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Juski:

how much memory did you say you had again?

[19:18:12]

Ediehow:

bascially, anything bigger than xchat causes problems while watching video

[19:18:15]

Juski:

see windows never actually uses much ram

[19:18:26]

Ediehow:

also, for instance, many myspace pages really slow down firefox and sometimes the computer

[19:18:30]

Ediehow:

768mb

[19:18:31]

Ediehow:

ddr

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Juski:

most of the stuff you have open gets swapped right away before it even needs to

[19:18:50]

Juski:

so firefox has been exposed as a PoS

[19:18:57]

Juski:

there are ways to optimise it

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Ediehow:

well,it does it with openoffice too, but how do you mean optimize?

[19:19:13]

Juski:

lots of other OSS browsers

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Juski:

Ediehow: google for it

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Juski:

openoffice's browser will probs be based on the same engine

[19:19:51]

Ediehow:

browser?

[19:19:57]

Ediehow:

no, i mean openoffice word processor

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Juski:

it's definitely your video driver I reckon

[19:20:33]

Ediehow:

but i had similar problem with ati card

[19:20:41]

Ediehow:

Juski: i will post to nvidia forums again, but let me ask this...

[19:20:45]

Ediehow:

why does the cpu usage get so high?

[19:20:47]

Juski:

do you have agpart enabled or something?

[19:21:04]

Ediehow:

lsmod |grep agpgart

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Ediehow:

agpgart 22896 2 nvidia,via_agp

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Juski:

you know that might be it

[19:21:31]

Ediehow:

?

[19:21:40]

Juski:

this came up here recently

[19:22:00]

Juski:

agpgart in the kernel is baaad

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Ediehow:

what to do?

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Juski:

by default, apparently any video driver will use the driver's own version

[19:22:46]

Juski:

but if you've explicitly specified it and you load agpgart as a module.. erm...

[19:22:56]

Juski:

bad performance issues / instability ahoy

[19:22:57]

Ediehow:

nvidia driver requires agpgart, apparently

[19:23:14]

Juski:

yeh but odds are it's nvidia's own

[19:23:18]

Juski:

I'll check my lsmod

[19:23:41]

Juski:

I don't have it

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Ediehow:

i just clicked on a link, for instance, in firefox, and everything slowed down, including video, as it went to new page

[19:23:54]

Ediehow:

don't have what?

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Ediehow:

i am watching livetv right now

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Juski:

and I use the nvidia driver – I have no agp wossname

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Juski:

lsmod |grep agp – nothing

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Ediehow:

what does lsmod |grep nvidia say

[19:24:22]

Ediehow:

?

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Juski:

nvidia 3466204 12

[19:24:38]

Ediehow:

do you have latest nvidia drivers?

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Juski:

I think we finally have your problem

[19:24:57]

Ediehow:

<Ediehow> is it possible to NOT use agpgart?

[19:24:58]

Ediehow:

<Maligor> no

[19:24:58]

Ediehow:

<Maligor> why'd you not want to use agpgart?

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Ediehow:

from #nvidia just now

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Juski:

google for why

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Ediehow:

well, i want to try it your way

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Juski:

running 6629 here

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Ediehow:

maybe newer requires agpgart

[19:25:58]

Juski:

maybe

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Zider:

well, if you use the nvidia-agp, agpgart shouldn't be used.. roght?

[19:26:01]

Ediehow:

i have fc5

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Ediehow:

nvidia-agp is from kernel?

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Zider:

no, it's the nvidia driver

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Zider:

it's in even

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Ediehow:

is it a module?

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Zider:

no, it's in the nvidia driver

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Ediehow:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8756-pkg0/

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Juski:

always use the manufacturer's (driver's) own agpgart

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Ediehow:

filename: /lib/modules/2.6.16/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.ko

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Ediehow:

author: Dave Jones <davej@codemonkey.org.uk >

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Ediehow:

description: AGP GART driver

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Juski:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-f.html

[19:29:19]

Ediehow:

i tried nvagp "1" and it says agpgart is in use

[19:29:20]

Ediehow:

or something

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Juski:

modprobe -r agpgart

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laga:

i believe you need to reboot when you switch those agp drivers.

[19:29:51]

Ediehow:

[david@home ~]$ modprobe -r agpgart

[19:29:51]

Ediehow:

FATAL: Module agpgart is in use.

[19:30:07]

Ediehow:

well, i think i did reboot once after switching to nvagp "1"

[19:30:15]

Ediehow:

Juski: you have nvagp "1" right?

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Juski:

Ediehow: you need to stop it loading – i.e. remove it from the list of modules to load & reboot

[19:30:29]

laga:

yeah, i've had that problem.. agpgart got used even if i set nvagp "1"

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laga:

i think i rebuilt my kernel with agpgart

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plb:

anyone happen to have these 2 files for pvr150: pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip

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Ediehow:

Juski: i tried that, then nvidia module wouldn't load!

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Ediehow:

:(

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Juski:

sh... ugger... I've not got anything 'agp' in my xorg.conf

[19:31:40]

Ediehow:

there is something in /proc or whatever that says whether or not you are using nvidia agp

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Juski:

ah well

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Juski:

plb: you can download firmware from ivtvdriver.org

[19:35:02]

Juski:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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Juski:

or is the shspvr ftp server down?

[19:35:58]

Juski:

and plb: just FYI you only need the last file if you have a PVR350

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speedsix:

Juski, I'm confused what I need to do in the recordings profile section to stop the transcode process erroring?

[19:36:44]

Juski:

speedsix: go into the transcoding profiles pages & configure stuff

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Juski:

I suspect the error you get is 'unknown video codec' yes?

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speedsix:

I have 'Hardware DVB Encoders' & 'Transcoders'

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speedsix:

rings a bell yes

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Juski:

that'd be because you haven't set the transcoder to use a video codec

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Juski:

so it tries to use type 0 (or something) – hence the error

[19:38:15]

Juski:

go into the transcoders page....

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Juski:

oh and search for transcoding on the wiki-wiki-wah

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speedsix:

so I select 'Transcoders' and it gives me 4–5 options inc. Live/High/Low

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Juski:

yup

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Ediehow:

juski

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Ediehow:

tell me what

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Ediehow:

cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

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Ediehow:

says for u

[19:39:03]

Juski:

general would be the one you want I think

[19:39:40]

Juski:

Status: Enabled

[19:39:41]

Juski:

Driver: AGPGART

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Juski:

AGP Rate: 8x

[19:39:41]

Juski:

Fast Writes: Disabled

[19:39:41]

Juski:

SBA: Enabled

[19:39:41]

speedsix:

I have no idea what this list is supposed to do, totally confused

[19:39:52]

Juski:

speedsix: RTFW ;-)

[19:39:53]

Ediehow:

Juski: hmm

[19:40:12]

Ediehow:

but you don't have agp specified at all in xorg.conf?

[19:40:16]

Ediehow:

and you are not using agpgart...

[19:40:27]

speedsix:

I've RTFW! ;)

[19:41:05]

Juski:

Ediehow: I don't have it built into my kernel & I aint loading it

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Ediehow:

Juski: what agp things do you have enabled in kernel?

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speedsix:

Juski, have you got a link for the relevent section of the wiki 'cos I can't find zip. Ta muchly

[19:46:31]

speedsix:

My backend locks just say transcode errored, nothing else atall

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speedsix:

*logs

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Zider:

hmm.. does anyone else get "high-pitched" sound with mythmusic?

[19:47:54]

BSG75:

do I need to install anything to play dvd?

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plb:

mythdvd

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BSG75:

it's giving an error saying I don't have enough privs

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Juski:

plb: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip

[19:48:57]

Juski:

grab it quick, plb !!

[19:49:54]

BSG75:

do I need any other files to play dvd that is not packaged with knoppmyth?

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plb:

Juski: thanks

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plb:

Juski: do you have pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip?

[19:50:03]

SarahEmm:

in mythmusic, anyone know how to make it display an A-Z first, then let you select artists from that letter? it does on one box here but no others... i have a Large list of artists and when it takes 2–3 seconds to scroll past each one i'll be here for an hour...

[19:50:26]

Juski:

plb: do you have a pvr350?

[19:50:31]

plb:

no

[19:50:37]

plb:

150

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Juski:

plb: so you don't need it

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Juski:

you got the other file?

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plb:

yep thanks

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D-side:

howdy boys.

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Juski:

plb: np

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laga:

hi D-side.

[19:51:38]

D-side:

anyone know where i can grab pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip? the shspvr site is down

[19:51:40]

** SarahEmm is a grrl, but hiya. ;) **

[19:51:45]

D-side:

laga: how goes it

[19:51:58]

** Juski is a grrl too – it's saturday after all **

[19:52:05]

laga:

D-side: fine. surfin' the web, havin' a beer.

[19:52:06]

D-side:

SarahEmm: forgive me, geek girls are few and far between.

[19:52:11]

Zider:

grrls are fictional characters

[19:52:12]

laga:

D-side: what's up with you?

[19:52:19]

D-side:

i'm in a coffee shop i love.

[19:52:20]

psofa:

btw doesnt the new opengl mythui mean that mythfrontend has many chances of beeing portable to windows?

[19:52:24]

Juski:

D-side: I just uploaded one to plb

[19:52:24]

D-side:

i took my cell and my gf's cell with me

[19:52:30]

D-side:

so she can't call me and annoyme. :)

[19:52:35]

D-side:

plb?

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psofa:

i mean the only other thing that needs to be written is the video output driver (directshow)

[19:53:07]

laga:

psofa: there already is a directx output driver

[19:53:20]

psofa:

so whats missing for porting mythfrontend?

[19:53:31]

Zider:

but mythtv is a linux program.. we don't need windows.. :P

[19:53:44]

D-side:

having a windows frontend would be very nice.

[19:53:46]

laga:

psofa: well, qt licencing issues may interfere. and probably just nobody wants to do it.

[19:53:58]

psofa:

but what is left to do?

[19:54:11]

Ediehow:

i don't understand how to not use agpgart

[19:54:12]

Juski:

D-side: http://www.juski.co.uk/ivtvstuff/pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip

[19:54:15]

Ediehow:

because if i block it from loadi1ng

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Ediehow:

nvidia module won't load

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D-side:

Juski: thanks VERY much.

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psofa:

except the usual annoying compiler things

[19:54:45]

Zider:

Ediehow: tell the nvidia driver to use it's own agp driver, like the manual says

[19:55:15]

psofa:

laga, and also the nobody wants to do it is false since there have been such tries, for example winmyth/mythds

[19:55:47]

laga:

psofa: i don't wanna discuss this, sorry

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psofa:

Oo

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Juski:

psofa: nobody fucking cares about windows :-P

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D-side:

Juski: if i asked about pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip too would i be pushing my luck? :)

[19:56:29]

psofa:

:(

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Juski:

D-side: yep – I never downloaded it

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D-side:

i'd argue the windows thing but then i dont think anyone will help me with my file search. :D

[19:56:53]

Juski:

psofa obviously hasn't been following the ML threads much lately has he?

[19:56:54]

Zider:

I care about windows.. to burn.. :P

[19:57:19]

Juski:

there's a parasitic FE app.. but it's not free

[19:57:31]

Juski:

and then there's the Google SoC projects in prospect

[19:59:29]

Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006 – warning – here lie some heretic thoughts

[20:01:09]

speedsix:

Anyone willing to help with these problems I'm getting trying to transcode?

[20:01:32]

Juski:

speedsix: did you build myth by yourself?

[20:01:42]

speedsix:

Knoppmyth

[20:01:56]

speedsix:

so no

[20:02:12]

Juski:

search the not-myth forums then... the answer should be there

[20:02:27]

Juski:

so much for it 'just working (TM)' out of the box then

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speedsix:

"2006-05–06 20:24:38.449 Transcode Errored for Pulling Power: 756.8 MB => 0 bytes"

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Ediehow:

Zider: as i said, id id that, but the nvidia module itself will not load if agpgart module is not loaded

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SarahEmm:

D-side: i feel like i may have asked this before, but where does your nick come from?

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Zider:

Ediehow: even when told to use it's own agp driver?

[20:05:09]

Ediehow:

you mean with nvagp "1"?

[20:05:25]

Zider:

with the module option

[20:05:43]

Ediehow:

you mean specify an option for nvidia kernel?

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Ediehow:

module?

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Ediehow:

parm: NVreg_NvAGP:int

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Ediehow:

?

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Zider:

yes

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Ediehow:

so options nvidia NVreg_NvAGP 1

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Ediehow:

?

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Ediehow:

in modprobe.conf?

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Zider:

options nvidia NVreg_NvAGP=1

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Ediehow:

right

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Ediehow:

any other options i need to specify?

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Zider:

that should be it.

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Ediehow:

so with that option, it should not require agpgart?

[20:08:14]

speedsix:

Ok one last question I promise. mythfilldatabase works fine when run on the command prompt by the mythtv user but when I tell mythtv to 'run mythfilldatabase automatically' I notice it fails?

[20:08:33]

Zider:

actually, that option doesn't even work if agpgart is loaded.. :)

[20:08:36]

Ediehow:

should i block agpgart from loading?

[20:08:39]

Ediehow:

?

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Ediehow:

Zider: what do i do then?

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Zider:

rmmod agpgart

[20:08:56]

Zider:

and then load the nvidia driver

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Ediehow:

with that option

[20:09:01]

Ediehow:

ok

[20:09:03]

Zider:

yes

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Ediehow:

options nvidia NVreg_NvAGP=1

[20:09:53]

Ediehow:

install agpgart /bin/true

[20:09:54]

Ediehow:

?

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Zider:

huh?

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Ediehow:

put that in modprobe.conf?

[20:11:55]

Ediehow:

to prevent agpgart from loading?

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Zider:

put options nvidia NVreg_NvAGP=1 in modprobe.conf yes

[20:12:26]

Ediehow:

but the other thing, too?

[20:12:34]

Ediehow:

to prevent agpgart from loading?

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Zider:

how to prevent agpgart to load, I dunno.. it shouldn't load automatically..

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Zider:

I suppose it's been loaded by the nvidia driver before.. but it shouldn't be loaded anymore..

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Ediehow:

Zider, :(

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Ediehow:

it's doing it again

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Ediehow:

nvidia module won't load

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gardengnome:

you could also try adding agpgart to /etc/hotplug*/*blacklist*

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gardengnome:

i don't remember the actual filename, sorry

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Zider:

Ediehow: it still requires agpgart?

[20:23:41]

Ediehow:

if agpgart isn't loaded, nvidia module won't load

[20:23:56]

Ediehow:

www.pastebin.com/702391

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gardengnome:

i've seen such errors about unknown/unresolved symbols. after compiling my kernel without agpgart, it worked.

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Ediehow:

Zider, see the error?

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Ediehow:

gardengnome, for nvidia module?

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Zider:

Ediehow: what if you load agpgart, then nvidia with its own drivers.. and check /proc/driver/nvidia/status what it says it's using?

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gardengnome:

Ediehow: yep.

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Ediehow:

gardengnome, do i have to recompile kernel module for nvidia?

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gardengnome:

Zider: i doubt that nvagp works after loading agpgart

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Ediehow:

gardengnome, it doesn't

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Ediehow:

nvagp

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gardengnome:

Ediehow: after recompiling your kernel? likely.

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Ediehow:

ok, so i need to recompile my kernel 2.6.16 without even the module for agpgart?

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Zider:

gardengnome: that's why you should TRY.. to see what happens.. :P

[20:25:56]

Ediehow:

or

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Ediehow:

can i edit my .config or something and remove the module reference to agpgart?

[20:26:18]

Ediehow:

it seems weird i'd have to recompile kernel when agpgart is only a module

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Zider:

if you recompiled your kernel, you probably need to recompile the nvidia module too

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Ediehow:

Zider, but why do i need to recompile kernel if agpgart is only a module as of now

[20:26:38]

Ediehow:

other than maybe .config

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Ediehow:

CONFIG_AGP=m

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Ediehow:

is that the culprit?

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gardengnome:

Zider: i've been struggling with the same problem.

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Ediehow:

gardengnome, should i leave agp_via module?

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gardengnome:

Ediehow: i dunno, they're probably better ways to solve this particular problem. i only know that CONFIG_AGP=N solved it for me.

[20:27:43]

gardengnome:

Ediehow: dunno :)

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Ediehow:

k

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gardengnome:

it might be possible that agpgart is just some kind of wrapper, providing agp support in general

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Ediehow:

i have source extracted for latest nvidia driver

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Ediehow:

how do i compile just kern mod?

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gardengnome:

what are you trying to do?

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Ediehow:

ah -K

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Ediehow:

you think /usr/src/linux/.config is the reference it would use?

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Ediehow:

hmm, apparently not

[20:30:39]

Ediehow:

i am wondering if i should have via agp module loaded or not?

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Ediehow:

garden, do you have any other kernel agp stuff?

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Zider:

Ediehow: you shouldn't need to have any agp stuff in the kernel

[20:31:31]

Ediehow:

do either of you have any kernel agp modules or config at all?

[20:31:35]

Ediehow:

Zider, ok sir

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gardengnome:

Ediehow: let me take a look at my .config.

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Ediehow:

config_drm is ok?

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

it won't install the compiled module i keep making

[20:32:37]

Ediehow:

for the same errors

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Ediehow:

maybe it's not enough to remove that from .config?

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Ediehow:

brg

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Ediehow:

brb

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Ediehow:

Zider: hi

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Ediehow:

recompilign kernel now

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Ediehow:

Zider: you there?

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Ediehow:

i am no longer using nvagp

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Ediehow:

however, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

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Ediehow:

Status: Disabled

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mythica:

hi guys

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pickler:

:)

[21:34:19]

mythica:

I have my gfx card outputting to tv

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mythica:

but as soon as X starts it doesnt work

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mythica:

I assume its cos the res's are wrong?

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mythica:

when i load up mythfrontend it doesnt work either

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pickler:

have you tried changing the resolution/refresh rate?

[21:36:23]

mythica:

in myth?

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mythica:

how would i do that?

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pickler:

in X

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mythica:

do i need to edit the xorg.conf file

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pickler:

i think so

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mythica:

what should i set them to ?

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mythica:

tv's run a really weird res/hz dont they?

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** pickler is no expert, but it sorted it out for me **

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pickler:

what resolution are you running at now?

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mythica:

doesnt that mean my desktop will look crappy though then ?

[21:38:09]

mythica:

can i run myth in one setting and my kde in another ?

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** pickler shrugs **

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mythica:

hmm

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pickler:

my box runs at 800x640 when connected to a TV

[21:39:13]

pickler:

50Hz refresh

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mythica:

hmm

[21:39:23]

mythica:

and the tv can handle that shit?

[21:39:35]

pickler:

that's what my pal analog tv is capable of

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mythica:

thought they could *only* run at like 720x568 or something arb

[21:39:52]

mythica:

cool

[21:40:03]

pickler:

analog TVs can't handle higher refresh rates

[21:40:21]

mythica:

aah here we go

[21:40:22]

mythica:

http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=TvOutPal

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pickler:

i could push higher resolutions than that .. but it becomes messed up

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Ediehow:

Zider: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

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Ediehow:

Status: Disabled

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Juski:

PAL TVs can cope with 720x576

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Juski:

or 768x576

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Juski:

(visible I mean)

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Juski:

anything else is likely to be less than optimal

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pickler:

:)

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mythica:

Juski, is it possible to run myth in one setting and my kde in another ?

[21:45:12]

Juski:

I run 720x576interlaced – so I don't have to deinterlace :-P

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mythica:

so essentially when mythfrontend starts it runs in its own res etc..

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Juski:

mythica: possibly. why do you want a desktop on your TV? it'll look shite

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mythica:

i suppose

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mythica:

i just want it there incase you know :p

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Juski:

desktops aren't designed to be used more than 2 or 3 feet away

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Ediehow:

Juski: you there?

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mythica:

or ideally i would like to push myth out on an overlay so my desktop stays as is and myth is outputted on my tv

[21:46:45]

mythica:

is that possible?

[21:46:57]

Juski:

mythica: with a dualhead setup yes

[21:47:13]

mythica:

how would i go about getting that done ?

[21:47:21]

Juski:

google for "linux dual head"

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Ediehow:

Juski: can you help me sir

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mythica:

cool thanks fella

[21:47:29]

Juski:

for pete's sakes ;-)

[21:47:32]

Ediehow:

i got rid of agpgart

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Juski:

Ediehow: 'sup?

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Ediehow:

and via-agp

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Ediehow:

but now

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Ediehow:

cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

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Ediehow:

Status: Disabled

[21:48:01]

Ediehow:

AGP initialization failed, please check the ouput --- dmesg

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Juski:

did you reinstall the nvidia driver after uninstalling it?

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Ediehow:

i never uninstalled nvidia driver, but i did recompile and install kernel module for it after using new kernel

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Ediehow:

otherwise nvidia driver would not load

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Juski:

right

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Ediehow:

lsmod |grep agp reveals no agp stuff now

[21:48:45]

Ediehow:

and nvidia module is loaded

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Juski:

I think maybe disabling via-agp was a bad move

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mchou:

you guys are making a mountain out of a molehile

[21:49:10]

Juski:

I dunno – check a nvidia howto

[21:49:13]

mchou:

mole hill*

[21:49:28]

Juski:

so what's the answer, mchou?

[21:49:29]

Ediehow:

Juski: but you said you are using no agp modules at all?

[21:49:37]

mchou:

whose agp implementation you use is largely irrelevant

[21:49:56]

Ediehow:

mchou: but it is telling me agp is disabled, here

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Juski:

ok so I was clutching at straws. he's been through everything else – and everybody I think

[21:50:18]

Ediehow:

$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

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Ediehow:

says disabled

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mchou:

Ediehow: what nvidia card is this?

[21:50:34]

Ediehow:

geforce 6200

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mchou:

agp, pci-e?

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Ediehow:

agp, sir

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Zider:

otherwise he wouldn't be able to load agpgart ;)

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mchou:

Zider: bullshit

[21:51:31]

Zider:

i shit no bulls

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mchou:

even pci-e you can load agpgart

[21:51:41]

Zider:

not here

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Zider:

not on any systems I've seen

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mchou:

lol

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Ediehow:

how do i get it not to be disabled?

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TinheadNed:

ttyl

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Juski:

well it's time for my bath

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Juski:

after that I'm gonna get pissed

[21:54:44]

Juski:

been a hard day today

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mchou:

Ediehow: first of all, undo all the crap Juski told you

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Ediehow:

mchou: well, all i am at now is i am using nvidia module and no kernel agp modules

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Juski:

crap? pah! last fucking time I ever try to help in this channel.

[21:56:04]

Ediehow:

i didn't say anything

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Ediehow:

!

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armand:

LOL

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Zider:

nice going mchou

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Zider:

asshole

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Zider:

*gone*

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armand:

so Juski's a 'sensitive' guy eh

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Ediehow:

hey, what happened?

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mchou:

Zider: he said it was time for his bath

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Juski:

argghh bastard GAIM

[21:57:37]

Ediehow:

hi Juski

[21:57:38]

Juski:

it's not ready yet.. :-P

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15880932 ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!!!!

[21:58:02]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: check that out dude

[21:58:18]

Juski:

anyway hey I was trying to help, and I didn't see anyone else rushing in

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mchou:

Juski: your "help" is worse than sabotage

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Juski:

bollocks

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

[21:59:11]

Juski:

he's no worse off than he was, that's for sure

[21:59:16]

mchou:

lol

[21:59:45]

Juski:

anyway.. o master fixor... fire away

[21:59:45]

mchou:

he is so far gone that nobody knows where he is

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: which particular post ?

[22:00:23]

SlicerDicer-:

the images!

[22:00:27]

SlicerDicer-:

look at those power poles

[22:00:33]

SlicerDicer-:

they are absolutely ghetto

[22:00:36]

Juski:

hilarious, I'm sure..

[22:01:02]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: imagine what they'd look like underground

[22:01:15]

Juski:

is that how people in other countries get their power into the house? ROFL

[22:01:34]

Ediehow:

ok

[22:01:43]

Ediehow:

Juski: i didn't insult you

[22:01:46]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: one well place lightning strike and the whole neighborhood goes

[22:01:58]

mchou:

placed*

[22:02:05]

SlicerDicer-:

indeed

[22:02:24]

Ediehow:

mchou: i just want to get agp working with nvagp

[22:02:29]

Ediehow:

sir;)

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Juski:

Ediehow: I know.. and I didn't intentionally quit either

[22:02:39]

mchou:

wonder if the 1st pic is from smithtown NY

[22:02:53]

Ediehow:

Juski: ok, i am no longer loading any agp modules, so now i am just trying to get nvagp working

[22:03:21]

Juski:

Ediehow: well now it should be a matter of following a howto, surely

[22:03:28]

Ediehow:

well, from that link i was given

[22:03:33]

Ediehow:

i did option nvagp "1" and no go

[22:03:36]

Juski:

I can't remember all the stuff I did way back

[22:03:45]

Juski:

laga said nvagp didn't work for him

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mchou:

lol

[22:04:03]

Juski:

hell it might not even be working for me – I never use my backend for much

[22:05:03]

Juski:

but catting /proc/drivers/nvidia/foo showed it does.

[22:05:12]

Ediehow:

does it show right now that agp is enabled?

[22:05:17]

Juski:

yep

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Ediehow:

and you have no "nvagp" stuff in xorg.conf?

[22:06:02]

Juski:

nothing to do with agp in xorg.conf at all

[22:06:40]

Ediehow:

well

[22:06:41]

Juski:

and now doing the cat it shows Driver: AGPGART

[22:06:51]

Juski:

lol

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gardengnome:

nvagp worked for me. after setting CONFIG_AGP=N in my .config.

[22:07:18]

Ediehow:

one thing is for sure, now that i am not using agpgart, i still get, on going to a new page, junking video

[22:07:34]

Ediehow:

gardengnome: well, i put config_agp=n, and it changed it to # commented out

[22:07:34]

Juski:

maybe FC5 just sucks

[22:07:34]

Ediehow:

but

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Ediehow:

gardengnome:

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Ediehow:

i am no longer using agpgart modules

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mchou:

gardengnome: you're telling him to recompile his kernel?

[22:07:51]

Ediehow:

nor via-agp modules, just nvidia module

[22:08:02]

gardengnome:

mchou: i said that's what worked for me.

[22:08:13]

mchou:

gardengnome: a bit drastic for a non problem

[22:08:14]

Ediehow:

mchou: unless you compile kernel without module preferences for via-agp, agpgart, etc, nvidia module depends on them

[22:08:41]

gardengnome:

mchou: what non-problem?

[22:09:07]

mchou:

the non problem of using any implementation of agpgart

[22:09:27]

gardengnome:

mchou: make sense, please.

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Juski:

and now... time for my bath

[22:09:43]

mchou:

What juski was blabbing mindlessly about

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mchou:

what got Ediehow started on this useless trail

[22:10:00]

Juski:

cos let's face it folks, I fucking stink

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Ediehow:

well, i am anxious for anything that resembles a solution to getting similar performance for watching tv and multitasking(say, with firefox) as i do in windows

[22:10:35]

Juski:

quitting time

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LinkSlice:

what's the best way to get window-in-window + remote control usage?

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LinkSlice:

i'd really like the new 500 MCE but it doesn't seem to support remotes :-/

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so would you saw firewire recording has be a success, on scale of 1–10, 10 being best?

[22:19:41]

SlicerDicer-:

10

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SlicerDicer-:

now that its all setup

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SlicerDicer-:

100% recordable and livetv watchable

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: some ppl seem to think firewire less than optimal in windows land

[22:22:00]

SlicerDicer-:

they dont know what they are doing I guess

[22:22:29]

SlicerDicer-:

I have done over 60 flawless recordings

[22:23:20]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: check out this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=674166

[22:26:02]

SlicerDicer-:

dunno mchou

[22:26:22]

mchou:

lamers using windows

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SlicerDicer-:

more than likely idiots

[22:26:28]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: ^^

[22:26:35]

mchou:

yeah, that too

[22:26:45]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean look they use windows

[22:26:47]

** SlicerDicer- ducks **

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mchou:

well, they never get specific about what fails or is glitchy

[22:27:30]

mchou:

just keep on spreading FUD

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SlicerDicer-:

hence morons

[22:27:41]

SlicerDicer-:

either they are totally oblivious how to do things

[22:27:49]

SlicerDicer-:

or they know what they are doing and spreading fud

[22:27:53]

SlicerDicer-:

one or the other

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mchou:

I mean seriously, why buy a QAM card if you have option to record firewire??

[22:28:16]

SlicerDicer-:

cause like I said my firewire is 100%

[22:28:22]

SlicerDicer-:

indeed

[22:28:30]

SlicerDicer-:

thats what tipped me off to that

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mchou:

especially if it's not 5C

[22:28:42]

SlicerDicer-:

why use a card when you can do it without having any special hardware

[22:28:53]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean most mobos have 1394 these days

[22:29:09]

mchou:

now if it's %C, I can understand, but it's not like a QAM card gives you any advantages above that.

[22:29:14]

SlicerDicer-:

so no hardware is really needed and if you do need firewire its cheap to get a basic card that costs 20$ that has windows drivers

[22:29:18]

mchou:

5C*

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SlicerDicer-:

not the same holds true for linux

[22:29:38]

SlicerDicer-:

well IIRC QAM cards have a hard time with copy protections too right?

[22:29:51]

SlicerDicer-:

but I will admit I have no direct experience

[22:30:12]

mchou:

QAM cards have issues with encrypted QAM :)

[22:30:14]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: are you mechou on there?

[22:30:20]

SlicerDicer-:

thats what I thought

[22:30:26]

mchou:

on where?

[22:30:51]

SlicerDicer-:

that forum

[22:30:58]

mchou:

yeah, I'm there

[22:31:07]

SlicerDicer-:

but I mean honestly

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mchou:

mostly for entertainment value

[22:31:33]

mchou:

those ppl hanging out there have more $ than brains :)

[22:31:36]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I mean people like that help

[22:31:38]

SlicerDicer-:

they really do

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SlicerDicer-:

they make it sound like all is well with the 5C lol

[22:31:53]

SlicerDicer-:

so it makes it so I can use it everyday :)

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mchou:

haha!!

[22:32:13]

SlicerDicer-:

let them spread the fud about firewire being broken!

[22:32:19]

** SlicerDicer- spreds it like buttah **

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mchou:

hehe

[22:33:13]

mchou:

not only that, if you get a firewire STB you dont even need an analog capture card :)

[22:33:23]

mchou:

for the SD programming

[22:33:38]

mchou:

you get all stations

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Scrye:

my firewire box is very unreliable

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mchou:

that you're subscribe to, w/ exception of any 5C

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SlicerDicer-:

exactly

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: what does it do?

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mchou:

Scrye: which box you got?

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I have no 5C

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SlicerDicer-:

none are encrypted at all

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Scrye:

the motorola one

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SlicerDicer-:

or drmed or whatever

[22:34:44]

Scrye:

the HD one

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: yes, you lucky bastard

[22:34:47]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: what does it do?

[22:34:56]

Scrye:

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt

[22:35:05]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: want to run a simple test?

[22:35:08]

mchou:

Scrye: there are at least 5 moto ones I know of

[22:35:17]

Scrye:

DCT-6208 i have

[22:35:28]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: plugreport run that and then paste the info to rafb.net/paste

[22:35:32]

mchou:

Scrye: well, that doent surprise me

[22:35:44]

Scrye:

I would if the fw box wasnt in the other room now, i got fed up and threw a TV card in

[22:35:51]

mchou:

most ppl have problems qith that particular model

[22:36:02]

mchou:

with*

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mchou:

go with 6200, probably most reliable w/ fw now

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mchou:

6200III

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Scrye:

err it is the 6200 i have

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Scrye:

isnt the 08 a PVR

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Scrye:

it wouldnt work reliabily with my mac either

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mchou:

08 is a PVR

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Scrye:

i dont have the PVR

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mchou:

Scrye: what ver. firmware is running on it?

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Scrye:

on the 6200?

[22:39:13]

mchou:

yeah

[22:39:14]

Scrye:

hold on i'll go look

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Scrye:

sw 73.45 fw 10.12

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mchou:

Scrye: well, that's pretty much latest and greatest, I think

[22:41:25]

mchou:

Scrye: so how does it "fail" exactly?

[22:41:26]

Scrye:

well i only got a setup fast enough to record HD a day or so ago

[22:41:34]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

huh???

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Scrye:

but even before that when i had it hooked up it would only show 1 oout of maybe 5 times

[22:42:01]

mchou:

you can record HD on a p2–500

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Scrye:

even using all the command line stuff to record

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Scrye:

well, playback then

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mchou:

lol

[22:42:46]

mchou:

show 1 out 5 times, what's that mean exactly?

[22:43:07]

Scrye:

any video or audio

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Scrye:

otherwise black screen

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#Test-mpeg2 note what I said there about operation of firewire

[22:43:37]

SlicerDicer-:

its very haphazard if its not setup right

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mchou:

Scrye: even on svideo/composite??

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Scrye:

slicerdicer i had followed that

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Scrye:

i gave up and threw a wintv2000 in it

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Scrye:

now my sound aint working heh

[22:44:36]

mchou:

lol

[22:44:40]

Scrye:

but it works in tv time and mplayer

[22:44:46]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: hmm

[22:44:52]

mchou:

Scrye: RTFM

[22:44:59]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: what kernel were you using?

[22:45:02]

mchou:

Scrye: on the sound issue

[22:45:04]

Scrye:

yeah well i was only commenting on firewire

[22:45:16]

Scrye:

you guys are the ones that wanted more info heh

[22:45:24]

SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: mmead had issues with kernels till he went to 2.6.15.1 even 2.6.15.3 had issues heh

[22:45:34]

mchou:

Scrye: I have 0 problems w/ firewire

[22:45:52]

mchou:

yeah, use a very recent kernel is key

[22:45:59]

Scrye:

2.6.14.1

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mchou:

bah

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm Scrye there should have been no issues then witht hat

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mchou:

2.6.16+ would be best

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Scrye:

talk to fedora then

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: what fedora does not have recent kernels?

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mchou:

Scrye: why? roll your own

[22:46:44]

SlicerDicer-:

whats to stop you from using kernel.org kernels?

[22:46:46]

SlicerDicer-:

heh

[22:46:49]

Scrye:

every time i do somthing on my own, myth breaks

[22:46:51]

mchou:

exactly

[22:46:58]

mchou:

lol

[22:47:05]

Scrye:

especially in fedora

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mchou:

pebkac

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: well learn why it breaks :) its usually something really simple

[22:47:36]

Scrye:

my stuff doesnt break

[22:47:45]

Scrye:

mythtv is just a fickle piece of ...

[22:47:57]

mchou:

Scrye: sure, it's everybody else's fault

[22:48:16]

Scrye:

hey id rather use slackware

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mchou:

shit, mythtv has been 100% for me

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: if you do not do what needs to be done with myth using the deps it requests using all the proper versions of programs that are recommended then yeah its a peice of shit... but if you follow whats said to be used you should not have issues

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mchou:

way better than any other so called pvr

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Scrye:

but its a pain in the back to do everything by hand

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Scrye:

hey im not complaining here

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mchou:

Scrye: so write a script to automate it or something

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SlicerDicer-:

Scrye: if you want it to rock and do crazy stuff you got to do some experimenting that can take days or longer just for tweeking but the end result rocks :)

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SlicerDicer-:

at least it does for me cause I do stuff that no documentation exists for lol

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Scrye:

Ive had it running a long time ago

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Scrye:

like when it first came out

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Scrye:

thats how i know its a pain to put together

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LLyric:

Scrye: atrpms makes it much easier on fedora

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LinkSlice:

anyone know where small-ish cases (that might fit in an entertainment center) can be found?

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mchou:

LinkSlice: buy a mac mini (intel) and forget about it :)

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mchou:

LinkSlice: by the time you finish up, you will find out a small case was more expensive than a mac mini and the results less desirable

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mythica:

everytime I reboot my X keeps dyeing

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mythica:

Get strange errors:

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mythica:

xhost: unable to open display ""

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LinkSlice:

a mini won't do everything though...

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LinkSlice:

uhm....right?

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Flack:

Anyone: when I try to play tv, the image comes on for a second, then stopps (freezes) ans when I look in the terminal it gives this error:2006-05–06 23:31:41.454 prebuffer wait timed out..

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Flack:

2006-05–06 23:31:41.454 waiting for prebuffer...

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Flack:

anyone: Over and over and over and over and over... etc

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Juski:

nothing better to do.. ran out of booze, so what the hell...

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