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Friday, May 5th, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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fergu2:

SarahEmm: mv libmythflix.so seems to work

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SarahEmm:

cool

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fergu2:

awesome, got all the crap plugins out of there

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fergu2:

anyone use mythgame?

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** SarahEmm just uses mythtv, video, music, and dvd right now **

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fergu2:

I am looking for a better emulator than maime

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fergu2:

*mame

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kormoc:

mame is considered the emulator for arcade games for the most part

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fergu2:

I know

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fergu2:

I dont have a particular fondness for old-ass arcade machines

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fergu2:

would prefer a gamecude or ps2 emulator

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fergu2:

cube

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kormoc:

fergu2, so go get ps2emu

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johnsu01:

SarahEmm: Well, putting ALSA:default gets me the messages I pasted above, but no sound. I also tried ALSA:hw,0,0, but that gives an error, and no sound :/

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kormoc:

I donno of any gamecube linux emulators offhand

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SarahEmm:

hrm

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SarahEmm:

i'm doing 8 things at once

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SarahEmm:

so can't help much right now

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, you should upgrade to a dual core brain.

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SarahEmm:

heh

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** SarahEmm needs like an 8way brain. **

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Umaro:

Hi guys.. is anyone using steve adeff's tvgrabber script? tv.com seems to have made an update that makes it not work anymore

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Umaro:

I also can't seem to find his site where he distributed it..

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kormoc:

Umaro, zap2it doesn't work for you?

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wbniv:

so, i did an apt-get install zip last night on my knoppmyth box

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wbniv:

and i wasn't quite paying attention

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wbniv:

and it upgraded xfree86 to x.org

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wbniv:

now gdm doesn't start

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wbniv:

do i need to upgrade the nvidia driver, as well?

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wbniv:

which config file is it using --- xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 ? Â tho they are both currently the same, i see

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wbniv:

it (they) *look* correct (they have a nvidia entry in Card0)

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wbniv:

gdm fails to start and when it asks me if i want to see the x server output to diagnose the problem

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wbniv:

i click on "Yes", but there is nothing to see

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wbniv:

empty

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tummyacid:

hey im having trouble with mythfrontend

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tummyacid:

i belive it has something to do with being unable to login to the mysql server

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johnsu01:

tummyacid: do you see errors about not being able to connect to the database?

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tummyacid:

yes, and if i do nmap on the machine no sql ports are listed

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johnsu01:

so.. is mysql running on the backend?

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tummyacid:

btw otherwise i am very impressed with the interface really guys nice job

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tummyacid:

the backend is working fine, a little lag in the audio but i dont think its present in the recordings

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johnsu01:

the frontend needs to connect to the database on the backend.

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tummyacid:

im trying to view the .nuv files

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tummyacid:

i logged into the mysql locally though

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johnsu01:

the frontend and the backend are on different machines?

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tummyacid:

yes

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tummyacid:

both running linux

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johnsu01:

then it doesn't matter if you can log in locally to the mysql server.

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johnsu01:

can you log in remotely from the frontend to the mysql server on the backend?

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tummyacid:

i do mysql -h 192.168.1.22 -u mythtv and i get error 2003 cant connect

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johnsu01:

you probably need a -p in there

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tummyacid:

same error

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Agrajag-:

tummyacid: fix your mysql config, it needs to bind to 192.168.1.22

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johnsu01:

there are some lines in the mysql conf file that need to be fixed

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tummyacid:

thats my.cnf usually right?

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johnsu01:

right.

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johnsu01:

turns out my problem is driver related, the alsa stuff is set up correctly, but I get a nasty kernel backtrace when I have the correct audio devices specified :(

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tummyacid:

where can i learn how to fix my.cnf?

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johnsu01:

Agrajag- told you what to do..

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johnsu01:

there's probably a line where it's set to listen to 127.0.0.1, you need to change that to its real IP.

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Agrajag-:

tummyacid: im pretty sure this is in the docs.. but you have to make sure skip-networking isn't on, and set the bind/listen address

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Agrajag-:

bind-address is the config option in the version i have

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wizard1:

hi

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tummyacid:

bingo

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tummyacid:

all i had to do was comment out skip netowkring

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tummyacid:

thanks a lot

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nilla:

i am trying to install knoppmyth and after doing the auto install option and rebooting my system just has a blinking cursor and does nothing. Anyone know what is up?

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tummyacid:

alright now it says the version is incorrect... im using v15

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tummyacid:

*rumage*

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wizard1:

what distro should i use for a mythtv box?

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Agrajag-:

whatever you know how to use

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wizard1:

so there are builds for each distro ?

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Agrajag-:

no

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** johnsu01 uses Debian. **

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Agrajag-:

you can probably built it on any distro that doesn't suck. and distros that suck the least have binaries

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wizard1:

i've tried using knoppixMYTH and didn't like it

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nilla:

yeah, i am having problems with knoppixMyth

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wizard1:

i'm going to try ubuntu and see what happens

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wizard1:

for disk filesystems whats the best setup for a myth box

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Kint2:

I hear XFS is good

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Kint2:

it's what I use

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Agrajag-:

i think a fair few people swear by xfs

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Agrajag-:

but i've been using ext3 for years and dont have problems

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Kint2:

how does mythtv change channels? does it use ivtv-tune?

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GreyFoxx:

Kint2: No, it talks directory to the driver

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GreyFoxx:

err directly

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GreyFoxx:

man, it's time for sleep heh

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Kint2:

oh, cool

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wizard1:

i'm trying to get it configured on a 650mhz pc to get used to then i'm building a new for mythtv

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Kint2:

greyfoxx, thanks

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Kint2:

wizard1, I've had good success with ubuntu running mythtv

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Kint2:

however

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Kint2:

I'm not sure if the latest version is available through apt-get

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wizard1:

Kint2: my goal is to have a 2 mythtv boxes. 1 will all my hdd's for storing my videos and recording my shows and a 2nd box for just playback of videos and music

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Kint2:

does anyone know if I can map frquencies to the correct channels through mythtv? channel 44 is off

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Kint2:

ok

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wizard1:

but everytime i'm installed the knoippixmyth i can't get my usb remote to work at all

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wizard1:

and most things won't play

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Kint2:

what do you mean, most things won't play?

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wizard1:

mpg2, xvid, some mp3's

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Kint2:

well

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Kint2:

there's substantantial configuration that's required to get that and a usb remote working

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Kint2:

it's not exactly "plug and play"

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wizard1:

its an ati remote wonder that came with my 8500dv card

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Kint2:

ok

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Kint2:

you still need to configure it

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Kint2:

knoppixmyth is a live CD I assume?

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wizard1:

yeah it asks what remote i have and i select it in the setup

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wizard1:

Kint2 yeah livecd & installer

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Kint2:

to be honest I'm not familiar with the distro

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wizard1:

http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

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Kint2:

there doesn't seem to be much information on that page

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wizard1:

yeah thats where i got it

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Kint2:

sorry, not much more I can help with

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wizard1:

np

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wizard1:

i'm currently installing ubuntu as a server

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Kint2:

that's probably not what you want to do

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Kint2:

that won't install a GUI

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wizard1:

i know

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Kint2:

unless you're comfortable with the command line

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wizard1:

i've used ubuntu as terminal b4

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Kint2:

ok, cool

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Kint2:

well, it shouldn't be that hard to get mythbackend set up

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wizard1:

how easy is it to add more storage drives to mythtv?

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wizard1:

would i need to use lvm or could i have multiple mounts

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Agrajag-:

lvm is easiest

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Gumby:

lvm is dangerous if you value you data and dont back up

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wizard1:

ok i think i'll stay away from lvm then

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Agrajag-:

how is it dangerous?

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Agrajag-:

as in if one drive goes bad you lose them all?

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Gumby:

ever had a drive in an lvm array fail?

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wizard1:

what i want to do is after i have my boxes setup and working. I want to find a way to allow watching my videos from another location (differnt IP)

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Gumby:

or a power outtage when using lvm

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Agrajag-:

anyway since when do people value tv recordings that much :P

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Agrajag-:

err i've had lots of power outages while using lvm

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wizard1:

Agrajag-: i do, i record alot of cartoons

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Gumby:

Agrajag-: some do. a lot of people also have other things on their mythbox's other than tv also

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Agrajag-:

wizard1: hahah

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wizard1:

Agrajag- cartoon network, boomerang, toon disney, fox :)

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Gumby:

hrm, does anyone here have two ivtv cards? I have a pvr250 as tuner1 and a pvr150 as tuner2 but I am getting....

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Gumby:

2006-05–04 19:50:01.587 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Television on card when setting channel 11

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Gumby:

2006-05–04 19:50:01.587 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to 11. Reverting to kState_None

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navreet:

does anyone know how much CPU usage skipping commercials take?

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navreet:

I am going to have a powerful backend

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navreet:

but not so powerful front end

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navreet:

is that stuff done on the front/backend?

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navreet:

backend... correct?

[05:33:27]

Umaro:

Hi guys.. is anyone using steve adeff's tvgrabber script? tv.com seems to have made an update that makes it not work anymore

[05:33:28]

Kint2:

gumby, have you resolved your issue, yet?

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Gumby:

Kint2: not yet no

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Gumby:

Kint2: still in the "gathering info" stages

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Kint2:

give me a min and i'll try to help

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Gumby:

found something really strange though. my gf's box has a pvr150 in it, and mysql is showing /dev/v4l/video0 as the videodevice

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Gumby:

and the thing works without issue

[05:35:35]

** Gumby blinks **

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Kint2:

thats nornnal

[05:36:11]

Gumby:

she previously had a bttv card and I must have forgotten to change it or something.

[05:36:20]

Gumby:

isnt /dev/video0 normal for ivtv cards?

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Kint2:

synn link

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Gumby:

and /dev/v4l/vieo0 for bttv cards?

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Gumby:

hrm, ok

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Gumby:

hrm, default input I have "Tuner 1" but mythtv seems to have been looking for "Television" as far as I can see

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Kint2:

gumby, have you made sure that you set up your cards correctly through mythsetup?

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Gumby:

Kint2: I am just looking at the settings via mysql right now. I'm not local to the box.

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Kint2:

ok, hmm

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|uberdow|:

anyone have some insight on ringbuf errors?

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Kint2:

|uberdow|, checked the mailing lists? ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND )

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|uberdow|:

yes i have, repeatedly

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|uberdow|:

not finding much that helps me

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** Gumby runs mythtv-setup via ssh **

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Gumby:

hehe

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|uberdow|:

the one or two things i found there all point to using svn's, not 0.19

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Gumby:

slow connection though

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Kint2:

gumby, I hope that helps. I have no idea how it saves the settings

[05:44:02]

Gumby:

Kint2: I am pretty sure the settings are correct. I'm just double checking though. the mysql tables seems right to me. not sure why the mythbackend logs are saying its looking to "television" input

[05:44:16]

Kint2:

that seems odd

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Kint2:

I was getting an error like that a few hours ago

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Gumby:

there is a "television" input in the card input options, I can maybe try that and see. BUt I know with my gf's pvr150 it uses Tuner

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Kint2:

and it was because the default input was set to the incorrect tuner

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Gumby:

shouldnt the backend look for the tuner you specify though?

[05:45:15]

Kint2:

I would assume so

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Gumby:

its acting like microsoft right now, hehe. trying to use/do what it thinks is best for me

[05:45:44]

Kint2:

also

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Kint2:

you're sure that the cards work?

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Kint2:

you can cat /dev/video0 alright?

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Gumby:

I havnt tried with the new card. I was in somewhat of a rush when installing it. I'll give it a shot though. sec

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Gumby: checked the cardinput table? There might be some leftover data from the old card there

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Kint2:

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Kint2:

oops

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Gumby:

RaYmAn-Bx: yep, done that. I completely deleted the other cards input before adding anything. the table looks correct also on its own

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|uberdow|:

so...

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|uberdow|:

any ideas on the ringbuf issue?

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Gumby:

what are the errors exactly?

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** Gumby waits for test.mpg to download to his pc. 10kb/s is SLOOOOOOOW **

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|uberdow|:

RingBuf(/mnt/store/123.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/mnt/store/123.mpg'. 0 retries remaining.

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|uberdow|:

there are 10 or so of them...

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RaYmAn-Bx:

does it actually not work as well?

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Gumby:

remove the files?

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|uberdow|:

its the only thing keeping me from being complete & going to sleep

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Gumby:

make sure thep ermissions are correct/

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|uberdow|:

quintuple checked the permissions

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|uberdow|:

all is good there

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Gumby:

does the user you are writing the ringbuf from have permissions to write to that mount?

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|uberdow|:

the files are created, but do not grow in size

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Gumby:

is the filesystem full?

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|uberdow|:

no, i show to have 13+ gb free

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Gumby:

Kint2: test file plays just fine

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Kint2:

that's a good sign

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|uberdow|:

backend & frontend are on the same pc, so no nfs to contend with

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Gumby:

ahhh, I see something that may be an issue. looks like after the last reboot the cards switched.. video0 is now video1 and video1 is now video0

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Kint2:

weird

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Kint2:

although should that really make a difference?

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Gumby:

it could be that this was the case all along and I didnt notice it on first boot.

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Gumby:

hehe, I dont think so, but maybe.

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bball_:

I have a DP Twin LNB and to get it to work correctly I had to disable fhe FE_SET_VOLTAGE ioctls()

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bball_:

has anyone else had this problem ?

[06:03:27]

bball_:

or is anyone else here using DP Twin LNBs ?

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Gumby:

nope

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Gumby:

hehe

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|uberdow|:

i have a legacy twin...

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Gumby:

I guess I should just go home and delete then resetup both cards

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bball_:

I know people with single DP lnbs

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bball_:

that don't have the problem

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bball_:

but they are usind dp34/44

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|uberdow|:

anyone know anything about sasc?

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mchou:

navreet: why would you need a powerful backend? You got it all backwards

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Kint2:

gumby, I think that would be the best bet. I got that error because mythtv was set to use Tuner0, while the correct one was inexplicably tuner1

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|uberdow|:

thanks for trying to help...

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|uberdow|:

night all

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mchou:

damn motorola DCT-6200

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DGnome:

crap, once again mythtv reads lirc-condifguration from somewhere else than ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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DGnome:

confignulation

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DGnome:

blubber..

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DGnome:

Sometimes one could prosper from better remembering capabilities ^^

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nostar:

does mythtv with a pvr-250 work well for normal tv viewing?

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Kint2:

nostar, yes unless your computer can't handle it

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xris:

nostar: you shopping or already have the gear?

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nostar:

ive had the gear for quite a while. i have rivatv based video cards, and a pvr250. ive about given up on rivatv, so im gonna put my pvr-250 back in. all im looking for really is cable tv monitoring from my pc.

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nostar:

bonus if i can record as well

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xris:

nostar: then it should work great as long as your pc is running linux

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nostar:

is it possible to defeat the 2 second delay for realtime viewing?

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xris:

no, that's the encoder card, well, encoding...

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nostar:

there was a way to do it in windows, and it worked well

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nostar:

its been so long i forgot what it was, registry entry or something

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xris:

you might be able to cut it down pretty close, but there will always be a delay

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xris:

windows driver might also have direct access to the tuner.. ivtv doesn't

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Gumby`:

does anyone here know where the default firmware directory is in debian sarge?

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Kint2:

gumby, you can find / -name firmware.agent

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Kint2:

to find the directory I think

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Kint2:

actually that's only half of it

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Kint2:

find that file, open it and look for the FIRMWARE_DIRS variable

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Gumby`:

ok, I see it. strange though. I have the firmware in those dirs and when I modprobe ivtv it doesnt get inserted.

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Kint2:

do you have hotplug started and/or installed?

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Gumby`:

well, everything seems to be there. just ran the init script also to be sure

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Gumby`:

is there a way to clear all the info out of dmesg?

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UBL:

dmesg -c

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Gumby`:

hrm, interesting....

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Gumby`:

May 4 23:58:31 localhost firmware.agent[13908]: /sys//class/firmware/i2c-2/ does not exist

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Gumby`:

May 4 23:58:42 localhost firmware.agent[13926]: /sys//class/firmware/0000:02:03.0/ does not exist

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Gumby`:

hrm, brb

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UBL:

anyone here use mythtv under mac os x ? how do you run it in a window instead of full screen

[07:16:48]

DGnome:

Anybody have any ideas why myth seems to disregard ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

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UBL:

you built mythtv with lirc support?

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DGnome:

UBL: yup

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UBL:

try making a sym link from that to ~/.lircrc

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DGnome:

UBL: the central diamond and ok -buttons work...

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UBL:

oh

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UBL:

you setup the config yourself? (lircrc file)

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DGnome:

about

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DGnome:

it works fine on another box

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robthebob:

DGnome, i bet youre using one of the ones that hooks up to /dev/event, have you pointed lircd there?

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DGnome:

same hw, can't remember what I did to make stuff work there.

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UBL:

you run irw and see if the buttons give a response?

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DGnome:

UBL: irw reports activity

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DGnome:

robthebob: checking

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DGnome:

robthebob: thanks, had lircd bound to a faulty event device

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robthebob:

DGnome, working now then?

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robthebob:

good

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DGnome:

errm

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DGnome:

still does seem to disregard lircrc

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DGnome:

robthebob: anymore ideas? :)

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robthebob:

well, from my own experience, if the arrows and ok are working, it is treating it as a keyboard and lircd isnt connected to the right event device

[07:42:37]

robthebob:

what card do you have and what does myth say when you start it up?

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DGnome:

conexant-based nova t ..

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robthebob:

yeah same as me

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robthebob:

DGnome, do you run lircd with this switch: "-d /dev/input/event2"

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robthebob:

also is your lircrc accessible from the user you are running as (ie if you're root and its in /home/mythtv...)

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DGnome:

debian init.d-script and hardware.conf points to propaböy the right device as irw says up down reight left and so on

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DGnome:

mythfrontend says nothing about lirc

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DGnome:

if I'd remember what I did on that other box :/

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robthebob:

try confiming it works in mplayer maybe

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DGnome:

oh no, have I been ignorant again.. hope not

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robthebob:

what?

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DGnome:

thaught I had a faulty symlink

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DGnome:

thought..

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robthebob:

shame that would have been an easy one

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robthebob:

i have to go now DGnome, i'll be on again this evening if you're still having trouble

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DGnome:

okay, thanks :)

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laga:

re

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DGnome:

ahha! the remote works just as badly with lircd stopped

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DGnome:

nice

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DGnome:

irw reports correct keys

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DGnome:

but myth never listens to what lircd has to say..

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DGnome:

soo, lircd never receives a connection from mythtv

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Kint3:

can anyone help me figure out why mythtv is having such trouble with my channels?

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Kint3:

well, once specific question: does CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER have to be configured as a module?

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AlmtyBob:

I'm building a headless linux fileserver/mythtv box to serve to my xboxes, does anyone have any recommendations for motherboards? I need at least 4 SATA ports, but that's about my only restriction

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Kint3:

go with ASUS

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AlmtyBob:

looking at their site right now

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Kint3:

I have the ASUS A7N-E

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Kint3:

and I'm very satisfied

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AlmtyBob:

this pc is an a8n32-sli deluxe

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Kint3:

good board

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AlmtyBob:

woulnd't mind onboard video

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AlmtyBob:

spare me having to install some old vid card

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AlmtyBob:

since I'll only need it for install/setup

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Kint3:

asus has some really good boards with onboard everything

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Kint3:

lemme check newegg for their latest

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AlmtyBob:

http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu= . . . =15&l3=0

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AlmtyBob:

hmph

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AlmtyBob:

lan is only 10/100

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AlmtyBob:

and chipset is VIA

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Kint3:

you want 10/100/1000?

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AlmtyBob:

yah, gigabit

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Kint3:

oh, you want AMD or intel

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AlmtyBob:

don't particularly care

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AlmtyBob:

I'm more familiar with AMD

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AlmtyBob:

but aren't Intels better at handling heat?

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Kint3:

I don't think so

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AlmtyBob:

http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu= . . . =15&l3=0

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Kint3:

are you planning on running over 90c?

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AlmtyBob:

not if I can help it

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Kint3:

that's a good board

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AlmtyBob:

time to see if it's available around here

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AlmtyBob:

yup $79

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Kint3:

are you gonna use RAID?

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AlmtyBob:

no 8/

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AlmtyBob:

if I did I'd spring for a RAID 5 controller board

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AlmtyBob:

but I don't want to blow $500 on one

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AlmtyBob:

think I'll go with that one

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: strange. What capture cards do you use?

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AlmtyBob:

what's strange?

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: or plan on using

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AlmtyBob:

I haven't setup anythign yet, but I have a Hauppauge 500 sitting here

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AlmtyBob:

waiting for tomorrow

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: the fact you want to use a mATX

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: for a backend

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: or server

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AlmtyBob:

why?

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AlmtyBob:

should I have a rackmount in my closet? 8)

[09:03:06]

AlmtyBob:

oh wait

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AlmtyBob:

that's micro atx?

[09:03:24]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: you arent afraid of running out of slots?

[09:03:39]

AlmtyBob:

three pci slots seems like plenty

[09:03:45]

AlmtyBob:

what else do I need other than a capture card for a server?

[09:03:53]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: lol

[09:04:03]

mchou:

3 aint nothing

[09:04:05]

AlmtyBob:

on board lan, don't need video

[09:04:08]

Kint3:

doesn't look micro from the picture

[09:04:11]

AlmtyBob:

it's not

[09:04:14]

AlmtyBob:

it's standard ATX

[09:04:22]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: the first link is

[09:04:24]

AlmtyBob:

ATX Form Factor, 12"x 9.6"(30.5cm x 24.5cm)

[09:04:36]

AlmtyBob:

ah

[09:04:37]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: 2nd link is full ATX

[09:04:45]

AlmtyBob:

ok 2 wouldn't really cut it

[09:04:46]

Kint3:

you've got the hauppage

[09:04:49]

AlmtyBob:

but seriously, what more could I use?

[09:04:49]

Kint3:

and that's it, right?

[09:04:52]

AlmtyBob:

yah

[09:04:59]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: think firewire

[09:04:59]

AlmtyBob:

don't need sound, on board lan, don't need video...

[09:05:05]

AlmtyBob:

don't need firewire afaik

[09:05:14]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: trust me, you do

[09:05:17]

AlmtyBob:

for what?

[09:05:22]

AlmtyBob:

an external enclosure?

[09:05:25]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: you'll find out

[09:05:28]

Kint3:

plus you've got epci x1 and x16 and x2

[09:05:41]

AlmtyBob:

yah ok thanks for the help

[09:05:47]

AlmtyBob:

no really, waht would I need firewire for?

[09:05:51]

Kint3:

who needs firewire when usb2 is 480Mbps

[09:05:53]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: Hint, firewire is not for drive in backend

[09:06:04]

AlmtyBob:

huh?

[09:06:08]

mchou:

You guys crack me up

[09:06:13]

AlmtyBob:

could you pretty, pretty please just tell me

[09:06:23]

AlmtyBob:

I gotta go to sleep in a few minutes and I need to get this list together

[09:06:46]

Kint3:

the fuck are you talking about

[09:06:49]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: Hint: HDTV

[09:06:56]

AlmtyBob:

don't have HDTV

[09:07:01]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: lol

[09:07:04]

Kint3:

that's not in his specs

[09:07:08]

AlmtyBob:

no desire to have a cable box

[09:07:22]

AlmtyBob:

and I could add a firewire card later

[09:07:25]

AlmtyBob:

I have one in my cabinet

[09:08:45]

mchou:

consider cable boxs are cheaper than ATSC/QAM cards, I dont see why not

[09:08:54]

mchou:

boxes*

[09:09:07]

AlmtyBob:

well, with the hauppauge and a firewire card, I'd still have a slot open

[09:09:18]

AlmtyBob:

but I really don't have any desire to get HDTV anytime soon

[09:09:29]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: trust me, you will

[09:09:41]

mchou:

pvr-x50s suck shit PQ

[09:09:41]

AlmtyBob:

um, why?

[09:09:46]

AlmtyBob:

pq?

[09:09:49]

AlmtyBob:

picture quality?

[09:09:52]

mchou:

yup

[09:09:59]

AlmtyBob:

probably not any worse than my tivo at medium

[09:10:15]

mchou:

at least the tuner. Svid is a tad better

[09:10:34]

AlmtyBob:

my cable comes straight into the house as coax

[09:10:34]

mchou:

tivo tuner is much better than pvr-x50

[09:10:38]

AlmtyBob:

no box whatsoever

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[09:11:40]

mchou:

and if all you're doing is file server /myth there is no need to go 939

[09:11:55]

AlmtyBob:

what would you recommend?

[09:12:23]

mchou:

rinky dink mobile celeron would be more than sufficient

[09:12:53]

mchou:

only reason to get 939 is for HDTV

[09:13:12]

mchou:

need the CPU for decode HDTV

[09:14:02]

mchou:

hell, even a geodeNX would be overkill for SD

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[09:19:08]

AlmtyBob:

ram recommendations?

[09:19:12]

AlmtyBob:

should a gig be good?

[09:19:27]

mchou:

way overkill

[09:19:42]

AlmtyBob:

considering it could be serving several things at once

[09:19:55]

mchou:

like what?

[09:19:56]

AlmtyBob:

and possiblu doing software encoding of mpeg4

[09:20:20]

AlmtyBob:

three videos at once or so, TV, who knows

[09:20:32]

stuarta:

get a gig

[09:20:42]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: dude, stop being clueless

[09:21:16]

AlmtyBob:

I came here to ask for assistance, not to claim that I'm the smartest fucking person around

[09:21:38]

AlmtyBob:

I can see this is a standard linux type channel

[09:21:58]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: then do some homework.

[09:22:11]

AlmtyBob:

point me in the right direction

[09:22:26]

mchou:

um, mythtv.org

[09:22:51]

mchou:

look at the HW Isaac started out with

[09:24:45]

Dibblah:

Celeron 300 _almost_ manages SD.

[09:25:08]

Dibblah:

Viewing only, of course.

[09:25:19]

AlmtyBob:

I'd rather overkill just for future-proofing

[09:25:37]

Dibblah:

Spend as much as you can, then ;)

[09:25:40]

mchou:

Future is HDTV

[09:25:57]

mchou:

actually HDTV is now :)

[09:26:00]

Dibblah:

Future is DRMed, so it doesn't really matter what you buy.

[09:26:12]

mchou:

bingo!

[09:26:16]

Dibblah:

Since you won't have access to the programming ;)

[09:26:18]

AlmtyBob:

yah I'm sure HDTV is the bees-knees, but I don't really care that much about quality

[09:26:28]

AlmtyBob:

for shows I like that much, I just download HD rips of

[09:26:37]

AlmtyBob:

since 99% of them are HBO shows, and I don't pay for HBO

[09:26:45]

Dibblah:

Thief!

[09:26:48]

Dibblah:

;)

[09:29:08]

Hoochster:

Anyone know if there is a way to offset channel #'s on a particular input?

[09:29:15]

stuarta:

did anyone tell him this channel is logged?

[09:29:19]

AlmtyBob:

been stocking up on movies in preparation for this server

[09:29:23]

Hoochster:

when you scan that is

[09:29:29]

AlmtyBob:

OH NOES! Teh feds are knocking as we speak!

[09:29:40]

AlmtyBob:

I better delete all my kiddie porn

[09:29:41]

mchou:

stuarta: I dont think the dude gives a damn

[09:29:51]

AlmtyBob:

8)

[09:30:02]

stuarta:

!trout AlmtyBob for being an eediot

[09:30:04]

** MythLogBot slaps AlmtyBob for being an eediot with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[09:30:32]

** stuarta feels better now... **

[09:30:39]

mchou:

stuarta: the dude clearly has more money than brains

[09:31:15]

stuarta:

mchou: obviously, but I don't care today....

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[09:31:41]

AlmtyBob:

why exactly am I an idiot?

[09:31:44]

mchou:

stuarta: why, cause it's payday? :)

[09:31:57]

fred_basset:

friday

[09:32:53]

mchou:

fred_basset: but not so much money as to pay for HBO :)

[09:34:25]

AlmtyBob:

why do I need to? I have enough money to pay for giganews and newzbin

[09:34:33]

AlmtyBob:

and I -hate- cable boxes

[09:34:42]

AlmtyBob:

I'm extremely happy having my cable run directly to my tivo

[09:35:33]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: you one of those dudes that steal cable from your neighbor?

[09:35:43]

AlmtyBob:

nope

[09:35:57]

mchou:

coulda fooled me

[09:35:58]

AlmtyBob:

it's just how my cable is

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AlmtyBob:

I'm sure you dutifully record and watch every commercial

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mchou:

AlmtyBob: lol

[09:37:23]

mchou:

yeah, that's equivalent :)

[09:37:34]

AlmtyBob:

it really is

[09:37:53]

AlmtyBob:

hbo generates revenue through subscriptions and cable networks use commercials

[09:37:58]

AlmtyBob:

theft is theft

[09:38:03]

mchou:

AlmtyBob: why dont you be the next prez of MPAA

[09:38:06]

AlmtyBob:

I know your theft is better than mine

[09:38:11]

AlmtyBob:

because I pirate too many movies 8)

[09:38:15]

AlmtyBob:

they frown on that 8/

[09:38:25]

AlmtyBob:

uh oh, here comes the feds again

[09:38:34]

mchou:

the prez of MPAA can pirate all the movies he wants

[09:38:49]

mchou:

in fact he gets them all free

[09:40:27]

AlmtyBob:

I think I'm finally going to break down and get a case with a door 8/

[09:40:36]

AlmtyBob:

http://www.chipsandmemory.com/ener1018.htm

[09:40:48]

AlmtyBob:

I'm sure I'm an idiot for buying that case though

[09:41:12]

mchou:

fugly

[09:41:18]

AlmtyBob:

in my closet, don't care

[09:53:33]

AlmtyBob:

$500 + tax for the complete system

[09:53:34]

AlmtyBob:

not too bad

[09:53:56]

AlmtyBob:

err given I have tons of hdds and the Hauppauge 500 all ready for it

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DGnome:

Any ideas on MythTV not even attempting to connect to lircd?

[10:13:49]

DGnome:

and yes, myth is built with lirc-support

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Neeesat25:

Anyone using twm windows manager?

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fred_basset:

afternoon Juski

[11:10:24]

Juski:

iiiit's Friday. Traditionally the last day of the working week for most people.. :-/

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Juski:

afternoon fred_basset :-)

[11:10:41]

fred_basset:

uh-oh, working over the weekend?

[11:10:48]

Juski:

could be!

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Merlin83b2:

:-(

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Merlin83b2:

Hi Juski

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Damned limits!

[11:12:24]

fred_basset:

is it lunchtime yet?

[11:12:28]

Juski:

aye

[11:12:29]

ivor:

Juski: aloha

[11:13:03]

Juski:

there's talk of time and a half off in leiu if we come in tomorrow & sunday though.. so I guess it's not all bad

[11:13:14]

Juski:

hi ivor

[11:13:19]

ivor:

Juski: how au-fait are you with PAL video timings?

[11:13:31]

fred_basset:

good old shit hitting the fan by the sounds of it

[11:13:48]

Juski:

ivor: not bad

[11:13:57]

ivor:

trying to find a decent reference with details of pal(and then ntsc) sync/burst timings.

[11:14:05]

Juski:

fred_basset: trade show. specs in flux.. etc

[11:14:26]

fred_basset:

aka. the usual...

[11:14:51]

Juski:

ivor: I have a book here somewhere...

[11:15:00]

ivor:

perfect.

[11:16:11]

** Juski finds 'video demistified' **

[11:21:58]

DGnome:

What could cause mythfrontend to not even try to connect with lircd? :)

[11:23:12]

Juski:

DGnome: it not being built with lirc support

[11:23:31]

Juski:

ivor: can't find anything in video demistified(!).. but try this: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/video/video_timing.html

[11:25:12]

DGnome:

Juski: afaik, it is, atleast according to the configure-script

[11:28:08]

ivor:

Juski: hmm found www.cctvlabs.com/Theory/palntsc.html which seems to have the pics I need.... but a bit hard to read the numbers properly.

[11:28:24]

laga:

morning

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fred_basset:

morning laga

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Juski:

ivor: the VD book used to be much more specific, with better info, I'm sure.,..

[11:30:14]

Juski:

morning laga

[11:30:40]

Juski:

ivor: at over 18MB I can't lend you the book in pdf form though

[11:30:41]

ivor:

hmm, wonder if the bbc have any site with info on it...

[11:31:42]

Juski:

ivor: do you need to know the intra-field timing or something? or just the timing signal relationships?

[11:32:51]

Juski:

hsync is 4.7uS long

[11:32:54]

ivor:

I need to know the field sync start timings... the burst timing.. the gaps before and after burst timings... sync time position etc.

[11:33:18]

Juski:

sync+burst is 5.6uS + 1uS -0uS

[11:33:24]

ivor:

i.e I reckon that chart I found has the info. but the numbers are a bit hard to read.

[11:34:01]

Juski:

colour burst is 2.26uS -0 +0.25uS

[11:34:32]

Juski:

horizontal blanking period == 12.05uS

[11:34:46]

Zider:

damn it's hot today

[11:35:04]

DGnome:

Zider: yessir :)

[11:35:10]

Zider:

18c

[11:35:23]

ivor:

Juski: cheers, yup writing the numbers on that pic.

[11:35:34]

Juski:

ivor: you fine tweaking the 1622 registers again?

[11:35:44]

ivor:

Juski: I'm on the home straight.

[11:35:51]

Juski:

cool

[11:35:57]

ivor:

I've cracked all of the registers.

[11:36:00]

ivor:

and calculations.

[11:36:09]

Juski:

we gonna have more interlaced output modes then? :-P

[11:36:10]

ivor:

I just need the exact timings now.

[11:36:34]

ivor:

Juski: basically any arbitary res with any over/underscan as desired.

[11:37:19]

ivor:

on that tv timing chart... it has the equalising delays for the field sync.... I can't read the numbers... do you know what those are?

[11:37:50]

ivor:

it looks like "2.5 lines", "2.5 lines", "2.5 lines" to me.

[11:39:14]

Juski:

you can't have half lines AFAIK

[11:39:49]

Juski:

hang on

[11:39:56]

** ivor hung **

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DGnome:

Zider: 18c here too :)

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** fred_basset ctl-alt-del's ivor **

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** ivor pops up ksystemguard **

[11:41:22]

Zider:

DGnome: where is "here"?

[11:41:39]

DGnome:

Zider: vaasa.fi

[11:41:56]

Zider:

DGnome: ah, other side of the lake ;)

[11:42:00]

DGnome:

Zider: you I see are somewhere in sweden

[11:42:08]

** Juski has the actual book now, not just the PDF **

[11:42:15]

Zider:

DGnome: yeps

[11:43:02]

DGnome:

Zider: åbro, mölndal? :)

[11:43:28]

Zider:

DGnome: uhm.. not quite.. :P

[11:43:37]

Zider:

DGnome: how did you come up with that?

[11:44:12]

Zider:

ivor: http://freespace.virgin.net/ljmayes.mal/var/tvsync.htm & ndash; could this be of any help?

[11:44:27]

DGnome:

Zider: well, first a trace, see that it routs through seths.se and then surf to seths.se

[11:44:39]

DGnome:

routes..

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Zider:

yeah, seths.. swedens most pathetic isp.. :P

[11:45:04]

ivor:

Juski: aha, yep 2.5 line equalisation pulses.

[11:45:32]

Juski:

ivor: yup – but only in PAL B D G H I K K!, L and Nc

[11:45:37]

Juski:

:-P

[11:45:53]

Juski:

field blanking interval is 25 lines

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Juski:

equalising pulse width is 2.35uS +/- 0.1

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ivor:

yup, 25 for odd fields. 325 for even fields.

[11:47:03]

** ivor doodles **

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ivor:

I think I've got everything now.

[11:47:19]

Juski:

cool

[11:47:27]

Juski:

gimme a yell if not – this book is a bloody goldmine

[11:47:28]

ivor:

that's this weekend sorted out.

[11:47:41]

ivor:

what's the title/isbn

[11:48:04]

Juski:

Video Demistified

[11:48:19]

Juski:

ISBN: 0-7506-7822–4

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ivor:

ta.

[11:49:52]

** Juski recommends the book to anybody who works with video **

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DGnome:

mythfrontend doesn't seem to ever try to initialise the unix socket to lircd, strace reports that liblircclient.so is loaded but.. nothing else.. ideas?

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defaultro:

morning guys

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defaultro:

anyone here uses firewire recording?

[12:57:54]

defaultro:

i just want to confirm something

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Juski:

what's with the 'is anybody' shit? just ask dammit

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laga:

!trout meta questions

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** MythLogBot slaps meta questions with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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Juski:

state your name & problem & the doctor will see you shortly

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Juski:

..or not

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Hi, my name's Theodore and I'm a chipmunk.

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TheodoreChipmunk:

;)

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fred_basset:

run out of nuts?

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TheodoreChipmunk:

That'd explain the inexpicably high pitched voice.

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Stupid fingers. Inexplicably.

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fred_basset:

falling asleep from boredom....

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Want to go and not be at work...

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fred_basset:

had an impromtu drinking session last night, now I need a doghouse....

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TheodoreChipmunk:

lol, I went to a gig and had a couple.

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fred_basset:

started at 6pm, got home at 1am

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Okay, that's a hell of a lot more than the literally 2 pints that I had.

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Hopefully nothing serious, laga?

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laga:

TheodoreChipmunk: no, i'm completely fine :) endoscopy just feels better when you're knocked out :)

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TheodoreChipmunk:

Heh, fair enough :-)

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nilla:

Everytime I try to install knoppmyth, after the auto install and reboot all I get is a blank screen with a blinking cursor. Anyone know what the deal is?

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nilla:

Is there a way to partition the hard disk from knoppmyth cd

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nilla:

is there another channel or chat room where somebody might be able to help?

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laga:

nilla: you'd have to choose "manual install"

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laga:

and please read the manual, you need to create at least four partitions...

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Dibblah:

Wow. Patience is a virtue.

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nilla:

get over yourself

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laga:

get a clue?

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nilla:

so with the partitions

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nilla:

i should do a root, swap, boot and what is the forth?

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eidolon:

nilla, you're not gonna win help by insulting the developers and the support folks. just a subtle hint. and ignoring their advice.

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TheodoreChipmunk:

/myth

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laga:

nilla: read the manual

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nilla:

ok

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laga:

it's in their

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nilla:

ok

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laga:

www.mysettopbox.tv/doc.html

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laga:

there*

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nilla:

ok

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laga:

omfg. i'm starting to make those mistakes.

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** laga shoots himself **

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fred_basset:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

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sapbeast:

ok... this is really odd

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sapbeast:

i got my new 300 gig drive but trying to copy my shows over... they are getting messed up

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Dibblah:

Anything in dmesg?

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sapbeast:

no, now thats whats *really* odd

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sapbeast:

no bad blocks

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sapbeast:

no error in dmesg

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sapbeast:

but if i copy all the files over, and then run e2fsck it says everything is massively corrupted

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Dibblah:

after unmounting?

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sapbeast:

yes

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Dibblah:

Nasty. Controller?

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Cybarai:

is anyone good with lirc? I got it all set up and working with liran's help, but after a reboot it's gone and I can't seem to get it back.

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laga:

sapbeast: i wonder if your hard disk is bad. usually, you can downloadf some DOS tool from the manufacturer to check it. or try the "ultimate boot cd"

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sapbeast:

i dont know ill have to check that later when i get home from work, try the drive in a different pc with sata

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sapbeast:

oh thats what i plan on doing

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sapbeast:

just found it unusual because the original drive is a 7200.9 250g and the new one is 7200.9 300g

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sapbeast:

ill try a different filesystem just for reference here in a bit... maybe something with ext3?

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sapbeast:

because i did run badblocks last night and it said nothing was wrong

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laga:

ext3 is not that much different from ext2

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sapbeast:

oh i know, its just a journal added

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sapbeast:

time for md5sum to verify the files are hosed

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Juski:

ext3 == ext2 with some journaling. or something

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Juski:

hey looky likey I get a weekend after all! wooo

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hashbang:

Juski: correct, at least in terms of the on-disc data structures

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hashbang:

Juski: I'm pretty sure the internals of the kernel fs code are fairly different, though

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** hashbang uses JFS for his myth recordings partition **

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fred_basset:

reiserfs here.

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sapbeast:

yeah i might try JFS here in a sec... i have a UPS so i could use JFS/XFS if i wanted

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hashbang:

sapbeast: what ATA controller are you using?

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sapbeast:

hashbang: simple silicon image sil3114 controller add in

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sapbeast:

but the original (and working) drive is on the same one

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hashbang:

I think they have a pretty bad rep. Silicon Image is CMD's new name, BTW. They never could design working ATA controllers. :-)

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sapbeast:

cea2aa8772fa4d9328aba481149145ed The Jazz Singer – 2006-05–03, 2–30 AM.mpg

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sapbeast:

b3ec8b573851fef213d1303a3376eaa1 The Jazz Singer – 2006-05–03, 2–30 AM.mpg

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sapbeast:

oh tahts not good! :/

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Their SATA controllers are supposedly pretty good..and quite an open design so almost all features are supported by libata

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hashbang:

sapbeast: e.g. their CMD640 controller had problems with corruption when trying to use two devices simultaneously, or trying to use both channels.

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sapbeast:

havent had issues before though... which is why this is confounding

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: the opinion on #centos was the opposite when I was asking around.

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: adaptec seem to have the best rep for cheap-ish controllers.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm

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RaYmAn-Bx:

perhaps

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nilla:

after the swapon /dev/hda2 command it says: Device or resource busy

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm quite satisfied with my sil sata-II controller in any case

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nilla:

what do i do about that

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hashbang:

sapbeast: also, run memtest86 overnight, or something.

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sapbeast:

hashbang: pretty sure the ram is ok, recently checked it

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sapbeast:

using said program... i'll re-verify anyways

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hashbang:

sapbeast: also, see if you can borrow a second controller card, and put the new drive on that one instead.

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sapbeast:

oh yeah... thats true

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sapbeast:

i have *plenty* of extra hardware

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Zider:

me too :P

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Zider:

a bit too much

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sapbeast:

yeah i have a basket full of extra cards in my closet... and like 20 old hard drives i dont use anymore

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jams:

Juski, are you using buttonbackground for your theme menu? At the moment that element is broken with the new ui stuff

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Perdignus:

I have two TV cards in my box but they keep switching /dev/ identities with each other after every reboot.

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Perdignus:

Is there a way to prevent this and hammer them down to /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 ?

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fred_basset:

you will have to play around with module config to be explicit

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Perdignus:

thanks fred_basset I've always struggled with modules in Debian so I'm off to the Debian support channel now

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mgpaulus:

Hello all. I seem to be having a wierd channel misalignment issue, and wondered where I should start for problem determination?

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mgpaulus:

I know that a couple of channels are off (64 & 12).

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Cybarai:

is anyone good with lirc? I got it all set up and working with liran's help, but after a reboot it's gone and I can't seem to get it back.

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Cybarai:

the lirc_i2c module is loaded, and lircd is running, but /usr/bin/irw gets me nothing

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Cybarai:

it actually says "connection refused"

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sapbeast:

lircd needs to be running

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sapbeast:

which is why it says that at least

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Cybarai:

it is running

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sapbeast:

did it die then?

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sapbeast:

ps aux | grep lircd

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Cybarai:

hold on

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Cybarai:

rebooting it right now for other reasons

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UBL:

i dont think you can run irw if lircd is running

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sapbeast:

i thought you needed lircd to run irw...

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UBL:

thats why you got " connection refused"

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Cybarai:

it's how I have checked it int he past and it always worked?

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Juski:

jams: buttonbackground? wth is that?

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Juski:

I think I might be actually

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UBL:

i'm not 100% sure but try irw with lircd killed

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Cybarai:

ok. one sec'

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Juski:

thanks for the headsup, jams

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fred_basset:

hmmm, sunday has 15 programs scheduled, luckily only 4 of them need recording...

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Cybarai:

ok, lircd is off and irw gets refused

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Cybarai:

when lircd is running, irw starts and exits immediately

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Juski:

jams: you still around, fella? can you elaborate on the buttonbackground thing you mentioned?

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Juski:

just I don't seem to have any such element in my theme.xml file

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liran:

Cybarai, still having problems with lirc?

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Juski:

jams: I'm going home now so I'll get back to you – or you can just drop a response here & I'll check the log later ;-) thanks

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sapbeast:

Cybarai: i used to have the problem, if it dies right away its because it cant find /dev/lirc/0 or whatever

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Cybarai:

sapbeast, I think that's it too, do you know the fix?

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Cybarai:

sapbeast et al.. the fix is to dictate the device to /usr/sbin/lircd (or wherever your lircd is) by passing it a device argument ie: "/usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0"

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Cybarai:

mine works now

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sapbeast:

oops sorry

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sapbeast:

i was afk

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sapbeast:

well its either that or /dev/lirc/0

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hadees:

Hey check out this, http://www.getdemocracy.com/news/2006/03/comm . . . racy-wanted/

[18:12:06]

hadees:

command line democracy player

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hadees:

in development anyway

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kormoc:

hadees, actually, isn't it asking for people to start work on a command line version?

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hadees:

kormoc, thats why I said development

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kormoc:

hadees, well, development in my mind tends to indicate that there is work being done, rather then talk of work, but fair nuff

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Juski:

evening all

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speedsix:

Hi, anyone got any idea why when I run 'mythfilldatabase' it comes up with access denied for 'mythtv@localhost'. password is 'mythtv' for that user?

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speedsix:

evenin

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speedsix:

"Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)

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speedsix:

"

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Juski:

the user you're running mythfilldatabase as doesn't have a correct mysql.txt file

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speedsix:

What is mysql.txt?

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Juski:

speedsix: you'd know if you'd read the documentation

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sapbeast:

more like you forgot to use the sql table provided by mythtv to setup mysql with?

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Juski:

either or... reading the docs is a good step anyway

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speedsix:

this is an ubuntu mythtv, never had to use mysql.txt. will have a look

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speedsix:

it just worked previously

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sapbeast:

it might have done it previously for you

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Juski:

yeah yeah. read the docs

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Juski:

I remember installing mythtv on my spare box which has ubuntu on it – it definitely wasn't done then

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speedsix:

ok, mythweb seems to be able to access it fine, as does the frontend.

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speedsix:

both use the same MythTV user

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sapbeast:

all you have to do really is mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/whatever.sql

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sapbeast:

at least i think thats where its stashed

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Juski:

sapbeast: I don't think so. all he needs is a mysql.txt for the user he's trying to run mythfilldatabase as

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Juski:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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speedsix:

the database is setup fine

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sapbeast:

oh right then...

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Juski:

it could also be a problem with grant issues.. that might need a GRANT ALL or something to sort it out – again, read the docs to find out

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speedsix:

mythfilldatabase reads ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt does it?

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sapbeast:

offtopic, but i seem to understand why people hate windows sometimes... got warranty done on a laptop at work and windows with just sp2 = 70mb ram used on boot... adding the ATI driver it jumps to 130mb!

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Juski:

hate windows only sometimes? jesus. the ATI driver thing is another reason to dislike ATI :-P

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sapbeast:

and this is the MOBILE ati driver, not even the bloated CCC one

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** sapbeast shakes his head **

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speedsix:

sorted thanks. There was no mysql.txt because I had yet to run the frontend on thayt user account. I though mythfilldatabase had user/pass of MythTv hardcoded

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Juski:

speedsix: glad to hear that :-)

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sapbeast:

still trying to sort out my disk problem on my myth storage

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sapbeast:

formatting it now as JFS with checking for badblocks... taking forever

[18:57:52]

Juski:

jams: are you around? I still need a pointer on that backgroundbutton thing you mentioned. I can't seem to find how my theme would be affected compared to other ones which work

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speedsix:

finally got a working backend machine today after literally A MONTH trying to get working cheap (read free) hardware

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sapbeast:

free is always good

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speedsix:

one problem after another after another

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Juski:

you gets what you pays for :-P

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speedsix:

Don't I know it!

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Juski:

though not in the case of MCE

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speedsix:

Had a DVB pci card and a 300Gb Sata drive to start with...

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speedsix:

first machine had a faulty pci riser board

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speedsix:

second machine wouldn't power pci card

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speedsix:

third machine wouldn't boot from SATA pci card

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sapbeast:

damn

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Juski:

well, you know the 'specs' laid out by the bodies who come up with the 'standards' in PC kit? theyre generally just interpreted & not taken as absolutes in many cases

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speedsix:

p3 1gig with an Intel DFEE15 mobo, WILL NOT boot from sata card for love nor money

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speedsix:

Finanlly got a machine that did and find my sata card is faulty

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sapbeast:

sounds like you had alot of fun

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Juski:

spoke to a guy at work today who measured his G wireless kit speed last night. Peaks at 5mbits/sec. good, eh?

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speedsix:

sell Sata drive, buy IDE all works fine

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sapbeast:

although in some cases i would notice that moving the sata card would make the difference what slot is was in

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dtm:

Juski: was there mad interference?

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speedsix:

tried that. Tried EVERYTHING

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dtm:

Juski: did he try different channels?

[19:01:16]

Juski:

dtm: not really

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dtm:

Juski: how does he know that

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Juski:

tried everything, then came to the conclusion that wireless is shite

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sapbeast:

5mbit on a G device is pretty crummy

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dtm:

oh so he's a moron. ok

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sapbeast:

yeah

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dtm:

well never mind then

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sapbeast:

i usually get 30mbit on the G adaptors at work

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Juski:

wireless is great for surfing the net in the garden :-)

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speedsix:

Was worried about new 300gb IDE drive not recognising more than 137Gb. Made a boot partition of 10Gb and linux didn't have a problem recognising the whole 300gb. Result :)

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Juski:

I wouldn't wanna try transferring multi GB video files across a wireless network though :-/

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dtm:

speedsix: worried? why?

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sapbeast:

linux wont have the 48-bit lba issue i dont believe, you would need a very old controller to run into tha tissue

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Juski:

want convenience – get wireless & expect piss-poor performance. Get wired & get great performance

[19:02:50]

speedsix:

Someone in our house left a big stack of papers on top of my loverly router and now the capacitors are hissing because it got so hot

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Juski:

speedsix: kill them all

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a1fa:

omfg

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a1fa:

i found a player for $250

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dtm:

Juski: if one's a moron, yes

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speedsix:

dtm, because I was under the impression that if the bios can only see 137gb I'd be SOL

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a1fa:

that plays mp2 and mp4

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a1fa:

dtm : wtf? dont be dissing on Juski

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sapbeast:

speedsix: linux does not use the bios, not even remotely

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Juski:

mp2? mpeg1 layer 2?

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speedsix:

found out that is not the case

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a1fa:

Juski : 1, 2, 3

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a1fa:

Juski : divx, xvid.. etc

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dtm:

speedsix: so the bios did see only 137GB?

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speedsix:

Yeah

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a1fa:

dtm : get a new power supply

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a1fa:

stfu now

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a1fa:

i had a same problem

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a1fa:

i had a 300 gb hd

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a1fa:

bios could only see 137

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dtm:

a1fa: who? what? where? power supply for what

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a1fa:

i swapped power supplies, and bang

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Juski:

how old would a BIOS have to be not to have 48-bit LBA?

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speedsix:

I spose as long as you keep any files needed before linux gets going on a partition under 137gb it'll be fine

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a1fa:

Juski : anything newer than 98

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sapbeast:

power supply should not be the issue... the only time ive seen a 48-bit lba issue it was the firmware on the controller... not even the system bios

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dtm:

a1fa: power supply related to hard drive addressing?!?? l o l uh huh.

[19:05:37]

speedsix:

problem with this machine is like I say it WILL NOT boot from a controller card. Atall

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a1fa:

dtm : yes moron

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Juski:

I'd be really pissed if I bought a seagate 750GB (or was given one :-D ) and I could only use the 1st 137GB

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a1fa:

dtm : i also had a hard drive make clicking noise when the power supply was going out

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a1fa:

so i bought a new hard drive.. it was still making noise

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sapbeast:

well 48-bit lba is still wholly unrelated to what power supply you use

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Juski:

let's see.. you buy a case with a PSU for $25.. then you see PSUs for $50.. same wattage. Hmmm I wonder what the difference could be... ;-)

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speedsix:

Some old bios hang when you connect a really large drive bu that's nothing to do with it not having 48-bit LBA. As long as it gets past the detection bit everythings great

[19:06:51]

a1fa:

Juski : 120gb portable player that can play xvid, divx, for $234.. worh it?

[19:07:28]

a1fa:

sapbeast : personal experience

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a1fa:

what power supply are you runnin?

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Juski:

some WD 320GB drives might have problems playing with PCs... biiig firmware bug. Causes an interrupt lockup.. HDD controller waits for the interrupt, HDD thinks it's already woggled the IRQ line.. oh dear

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sapbeast:

Juski: my cheapest PSU at home is worth $60... cheap supplies are so not worth it

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Juski:

a1fa: I dunno – depends on how much you wanna play media on the move

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a1fa:

not much

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a1fa:

but sometimes

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Juski:

how big is the screen?

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a1fa:

3.5"

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Juski:

and is it <<wide>> ?

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a1fa:

TFT LCD

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a1fa:

very wide

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sapbeast:

I avoid WD like the plague for that above reason you say Juski... they are incredibly intolerant to even minor voltage shifts

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Juski:

not worth it if it's not wide

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speedsix:

I've always stuck with Maxtor even though alot seem not to rate them

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a1fa:

i am pming you the link

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Juski:

the company I work for are now avoiding WD like the plague. only trouble is, seagate drives I got in to check out don't work with our newer kit – software driver problems :-/

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sapbeast:

my experience with WD at work is more often than not the logic board fails before it phsyically fails

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speedsix:

This 300gb IDE drive I replaced the 300Gb Sata for seems to be much noisier

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sapbeast:

because they are so sensitive

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a1fa:

3.5 inch TFT LCD w/ 320x240 pixels

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sapbeast:

speedsix: who makes it? model?

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a1fa:

perfect for running this bitch on mpg2

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Juski:

a1fa: I'd be tempted ;-)

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a1fa:

man

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a1fa:

I am very tempted

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a1fa:

fuck ipod

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speedsix:

Both Maxtor, replaced Sata with Pata. Same specs

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a1fa:

this thing can run flash too

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a1fa:

it is wicked

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a1fa:

it can RUN FLASH!!!!

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Juski:

maxtor's drives aren't as bad as the rep they've got. we get much lower than their published ARR

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a1fa:

you can load flash games on it

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Juski:

flash video playing might be coming to mythweb, you know...

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speedsix:

Maybe new one is set to different accoustic managment settings

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sapbeast:

alfa: dont get me wrong, but does this thing have warranty and such...

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speedsix:

I've always bought maxtor and never had a single failure

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sapbeast:

speedsix: is it noisier in use or just sitting idle... like bearing noise

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Juski:

maxtor drives tend to run 10 to 15 degrees C higher than ambient temp. though – which isn't good

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a1fa:

yes

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speedsix:

noisier on access, clicky, not whiney if that makes sense

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a1fa:

it has warranty

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Juski:

so you need to keep em cool – but not with those HDD cooler things – they cause vibration which can knock the heads off-track

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sapbeast:

your mileage may vary but all the drives i buy personally are seagate: main reasons are FDB bearings and bloody 5 year warranty

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a1fa:

Juski : i am hard *:(

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a1fa:

hehe

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Juski:

we've always had 5 year warranty from Maxtor :-D

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sapbeast:

speedsix: thats normal then, as long as its not "whiney" which is bad

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speedsix:

Sata just seemed much quieter on access

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sapbeast:

yeah but my experience with maxtor is you need that 5 year warranty because your going to replace it 10 times :p

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sapbeast:

but as i said, your mileage may vary

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Juski:

if you ever get the chance to witness a presentation from a HDD manufacturer, I say go for it – fascinating stuff

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SarahEmm:

hihi

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Juski:

hi SarahEmm

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speedsix:

Hi

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a1fa:

Juski : the portable player has a flash player built in.. thats bad ass

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speedsix:

What does everyone use to burn recordings to dvd?

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Juski:

a1fa: well if your wallet is fat enough...

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sapbeast:

of course if you want to hear something reall messed up... remember IBM deathstars? I have one still tha twas made in Aug 2000, it still runs *perfectly* in an old computer

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a1fa:

it is, but i dont know man

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Juski:

speedsix: Sony DVD architect – does a proper job not like that mythburn thing

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a1fa:

:)

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Juski:

a1fa: buy it, and if the deal is that good you can flog it on ebay if you change your mind & still not be out of pocket!

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a1fa:

MSRP is : 4999

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a1fa:

its crazy

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a1fa:

499

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sapbeast:

im waiting to see what apple is going to do for thier full screen player next year

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a1fa:

but they sell it twice less :P

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sapbeast:

before i get one

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cgg:

should subtitels, sendt as teletext on a dvb-card work, with mythtv-0.19-fixes from monday??

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Juski:

cgg: they already work

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speedsix:

Any suggestions for free software to burn to dvd. Mythburn doesn't even get past the install config

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Juski:

speedsix: have you seen the list of dependencies for mythburn?

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cgg:

Juski: not by me! are there somthing, that i must configure??

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Juski:

sit tight & wait for mytharchive. I kid you not – it's gonna be built in

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a1fa:

Juski : when does the flash support come out?

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a1fa:

svn?

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Juski:

cgg: if you're running 0.19, check that TS recording is enabled by checking the mysql database

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sapbeast:

Juski: that reminds me, i wish there was a way to make a transcode profile in mythtv that was something other than what they offer

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Juski:

a1fa: it's being worked on

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Juski:

sapbeast: not AFAIK

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speedsix:

Juski, yes, got them all afaik

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speedsix:

just says there's an error in my setup and install script loops back to the beginning

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sapbeast:

yeah, im trying to find some frontends to transcode command line... i would ideally like to transcode my shows to h.264 or something similarly modern to save more space than normal (or say fit 1H on 700mb and still look good)

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cgg:

Juski: which table is it in??

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a1fa:

Juski : gimme a timeline :P

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Juski:

cgg: oops it's deprecated... it _should_ 'just work'

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a1fa:

i want to know will it be worth buying it now, or wait

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a1fa:

that flash player encodes in real time right?

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Juski:

a1fa: I dunno

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sapbeast:

flash video player?

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Juski:

I guess it will be – check the logs

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cgg:

Juski: is it possible to get it working??

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Juski:

cgg: aha! found it.. column is called dvb_recordts and should be set to 1 in capturecard table

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mgpaulus:

speedsix: you shoudl be able to do an 'bash -x install.sh' to help determine what's wrong

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Juski:

cgg: if it's set to 0 you'll need to change it yourself – but any recordings you already have will not have subtitles

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speedsix:

ah didn't think of that, thanks

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Juski:

speedsix: maybe you've not edited the install script to make sure the paths are correct

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a1fa:

Juski : are you doing any development?

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mgpaulus:

mythburn won't install in mythtv-0.19

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Juski:

you don't just think you can run ./install.sh and not have to do anything to it? LOL

[19:22:52]

Juski:

mgpaulus: oh really?! wrong

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mgpaulus:

they have changed all the mythweb stuff

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Juski:

check the not_myth forums – it's all covered there

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cgg:

Juski: thanks

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mgpaulus:

Juski: EMI, but what is not_myth forums?

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speedsix:

it prompts you for the paths and all seems correct

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Juski:

a1fa: no I'm not doing any dev work – though I might have been had my vga card in my spare box not broken (cos it's had no fan on the HS for years)

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Juski:

mgpaulus: not_myth == knoppmyth ;-)

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mgpaulus:

Juski: ty

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sapbeast:

Juski: damn i have like 10 cards sitting idle i should send you one :p

[19:25:12]

Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /130197.html

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Juski:

oh and the card I bought off ebay cheap last week does nothing for my systems but make them beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep (so it's fucked)

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Juski:

that was Â£7 down the drain :-/

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sapbeast:

buying cheap video cards that are reliable is about the same it was in 1995... minimum cost for operation

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Juski:

I think this un has been killed by overclocking

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cgg:

Juski: it is set, but it stil doesn't work!

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Niklas_E:

does v4l2 work in the svn version?

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Juski:

cgg: did you just set it?

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cgg:

Juski: No it has allways been

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Juski:

cgg: try 0.19-fixes then

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a1fa:

Compatible XviD, MPEG-4 Video Compliant SP,

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a1fa:

MPEG1 (Please see iRiver Media Converter

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a1fa:

Software Manual for the detailed file specifications)

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a1fa:

dude

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a1fa:

looks like WMP10 fucks mpg into wmv

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a1fa:

upon upload

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a1fa:

transcode into wmv

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a1fa:

how lama

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cgg:

Juski: I am running 0.19-fixes

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sapbeast:

because they wouldnt want you using a standard video format now would they? (sarcasm)

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a1fa:

Only files with extension with MP3, WMA, WAV, ASF, AVI, BMP, and JPG

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a1fa:

can be played.

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a1fa:

well, it will play mpg and div

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a1fa:

but it will transcode it to wmv

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a1fa:

thats kind of shitty

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sapbeast:

major downer right there

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sapbeast:

WMV works but tanscoding is pointless

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sapbeast:

and id rather use xvid over WMV myself

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speedsix:

Hmm, my Ubuntu backend machine doesn't seem to be starting mythbackend on boot

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rav3r:

can some one help? xine doesn't seem to be working right any more with an iso. the arrow keys on the keyboard seem to be adjusting the playback speed, not navigating the dvd menu like they should

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rav3r:

im using xine -pq -V Xv -f -g --no-splash --no-logo dvd://%s/

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Hoochster:

Does anyone know besides doing it via sql, is there a way to offset channel #'s on given inputs?

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Hoochster:

during the scan or after or whatnot

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Juski:

hey everybody. we might as well just give up using mythtv now that SageTV for linux is out :-/

[20:32:32]

Juski:

it's only $80 and probably won't work well outside the USA but hey..

[20:32:58]

SarahEmm:

Juski: lol.

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cgg:

Juski: i still can't get teletext working do you have more surgestions??

[20:33:50]

SarahEmm:

woo! i'm not the only one using captions/teletext? :)

[20:33:55]

Juski:

cgg: nope, but if you ask on the users ML someone will see & might be able to help. the DVB developers don't come here much at weekends

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SarahEmm:

cgg: what system are you, PAL or NTSC?

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SarahEmm:

oh DVB :/

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** SarahEmm has no idea. i use plain NTSC video **

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cgg:

SarahEmm: PAL

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cgg:

Juski: ML = Mailinglist??

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Juski:

cgg: do you know for sure that the shows have CC?

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SarahEmm:

okay cgg... i use teletext on NTSC, no ide aabout pal :/

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Juski:

cgg: yup, ML == mailing list

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SarahEmm:

myth's teletext support isn't great overall, but it exists :)

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Juski:

we have MHEG now in 0.19-fixes I believe

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Juski:

so we in Europe can use the 'interactive' bits of DVB... oooooo

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cgg:

Juski: It's a movie channel, fore serveral scandinavien contries, and on the reciever i use prior to myth, I can see for sure, taht it are not DVB-Subtitles

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cgg:

...and when i start teletext it starts on page 701

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Juski:

teletext doesn't work for DVB

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Juski:

DVB subtitles are different – they're more like DVD subtitles than teletext

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Juski:

cgg: don't start teletext... enter the OSD menu then try to select subtitles from there

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cgg:

It was teletext-subtitles, that i original asked for.

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Juski:

teletext subtitles don't work in DVB

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cgg:

is there a plan to get it working??

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Juski:

there's no way to get the VBI data from the MPEG stream

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Juski:

at least not yet and as far as I know there are no plans for it

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cgg:

ok

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Juski:

cgg: if the movie channel is doing things properly it should have DVB subtitles, not teletext ones

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Juski:

DVB TV signals are mpeg transport streams which contain video, audio and other streams. 'other' streams can include stuff like subtitles & data

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Juski:

when you're in livetv, press M to bring up the OSD menu, then try to select subtitles from there. if they're present they should show up

[20:42:39]

Juski:

likewise they should come up on any recordings you've made (if they're present)

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cgg:

Juski: it is for sure teletext, i have a dvb-t card, no problem, but on my dvb-s, some of the channels don't

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Juski:

cgg: it's NOT teletext!

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Juski:

certainly not in the form that analogue TV has teletext

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Juski:

it doesn't have page numbers

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Juski:

oops!

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Juski:

dvb DOES have teletext.. umm I dunno if that's supported by mythtv

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rav3r:

im in FC4, i'm trying to stop mythtv from autorunning on start up. i removed it from the myth-load.sh script i have, but it is still coming up

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rav3r:

where else should i look?

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Juski:

cgg: I think you really need to try 0-19-fixes

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cgg:

Juski: I am running 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

cgg: just searched SVN & found this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1766 – so you'd have to use SVN head

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Juski:

sorry about the confusion before – I thought DVB only supported DVB subtitles – apparently it can do teletext subtitles too

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cgg:

Juski: its okay!

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Juski:

cgg: have you set the VBI stuff up in capture card setup?

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cgg:

Juski: How do i get to use head??

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cgg:

Juski: yes

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Juski:

cgg: SVN head – you get that by checking out this page & using the general SVN stuff http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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Juski:

bear in mind it might be unstable

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Juski:

or even unusable

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SarahEmm:

how stable is head?

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Juski:

depends

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Juski:

depends what's being worked on

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SarahEmm:

alright.

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SarahEmm:

i think i'll stick with stable

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Juski:

stuff can get checked in that breaks other things.. a while before 0.19 came out, livetv was disabled for a while until it got re-jigged, for example

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HeMan:

[OT]: anyone who knows what gain it is to use fglrx instead of radeon-driver for ATI card?

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SarahEmm:

eep

[20:55:35]

SarahEmm:

okay

[20:55:42]

SarahEmm:

yeah, definitely staying with stable :)

[20:55:50]

SarahEmm:

0.19 works decent enough once i got the bugs worked out

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SarahEmm:

.18 was significantly better except that it didn't support captions on PVR cards

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SarahEmm:

(for me)

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Juski:

HeMan: fglrx is the OSS driver isn't it? no great advantage – I hear all ATI Linux drivers are crap

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Juski:

0.19.1 will be much better ;-)

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HeMan:

*s* ok, no OpenGL or such?

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HeMan:

just suck... :)

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Juski:

CC support has still to come to PVR 150 & PVR 500 anyway AFAIK

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Juski:

HeMan: check google for tips – there's bound to be something somewhere

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Juski:

ahh HeMan – fglrx is ATI's own driver

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Juski:

chances are, more works in that, more stably – but it's ATI we're talking about here

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SarahEmm:

Juski: yeah, that's why -500 is sitting idle :(

[20:59:16]

SarahEmm:

Juski: .19 takes >15 seconds to delete recordings, >5s to cursor up/down one recording in the display.. it's Really Slow.

[20:59:21]

SarahEmm:

hopefully .19.1 will be better

[20:59:27]

HeMan:

yes, i have problem to get fglrx to use my modeline, otherwise it's working fine

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SarahEmm:

and hopefully soon the -500 will have CC :)

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Juski:

SarahEmm: for the 150/500 to get CC support it's up to the ivtv folks to get it working

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SarahEmm:

i know

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SarahEmm:

which isn't a small task from whati 've looked at :/

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Juski:

as for the time it takes to access recordings – erm.. there's something very wrong there. my 1ghz box is as snappy as it was on 0.18

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SarahEmm:

my backend only has one PCI Slot tho

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SarahEmm:

so.. we'll see

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SarahEmm:

hrm.

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SarahEmm:

weird.

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SarahEmm:

i'm on a 1.7 box nad it's WAY slower.

[21:00:34]

SarahEmm:

actually recording/playing is ok

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HeMan:

seems that radeon driver is better

[21:00:38]

SarahEmm:

but the UI is ridiculous

[21:00:45]

HeMan:

just have to try then!

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Juski:

SarahEmm: you might want to try a different theme – maybe one less graphically intensive... if that speeds things up, then maybe your mythtv code isn't optimised for your setup

[21:01:58]

SarahEmm:

hmm, that's a good idea

[21:02:04]

SarahEmm:

i'm using mythcenter now

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Juski:

try changing the painter method too

[21:02:19]

SarahEmm:

painter method?

[21:02:27]

Juski:

it's an appearance setting

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kormoc:

unless you are using svn, it's not really something to change, is it?

[21:02:51]

Juski:

I've never noticed it make any difference though

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Juski:

can't think what else would have caused a major slowdown since 0.19 if even my puny Epia is as fast as it ever was

[21:03:39]

Juski:

*0.18.. god I'm tired

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jams:

Juski- I was referring to using a different background for the menus other then the hardcoded backgound.*

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SarahEmm:

err

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SarahEmm:

i don't see painter method in .19

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Juski:

jams: really? eek!

[21:04:00]

jams:

buttonbackground is not the official tag name

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SarahEmm:

under Appearance?

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Juski:

SarahEmm: I think it's there.. definitely somewhere. maybe it only affects Qt stuff like you'd see in the setup menus & some popups

[21:04:36]

jams:

Juski- yeah Chutt knows about it and said we could work something out.

[21:05:12]

Juski:

jams: so can you try to explain how only one or 2 themes have the problem when more themes obviously have different backgrounds?

[21:05:41]

Juski:

or is it just that I'm using a different filename & specifying it in theme.xml ?

[21:05:54]

Juski:

cos I can change that dead easily :-)

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jams:

pretty sure its the different filename

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jams:

syth and midnight are both "broken" because they use a differnt filename for the background on the menus

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Juski:

right, so if I change the background filename to background.png I should be home & dry for now

[21:07:55]

Juski:

if my ubuntu box would stay up for long enough to compile SVN I'd test it out for myself

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jams:

right.

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jams:

heck let me test it on your theme

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jams:

are your screenshots current?

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Juski:

jams: ish

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Juski:

only thing that's different are the buttons & watermarks

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jams:

eh let me just compare I still have one frontend running from before the switch

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SarahEmm:

different themes don't help :/

[21:11:36]

SarahEmm:

and can't find that painter option

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Juski:

lol... I just commented out <image>background.png</image> and it's totally screwed the menu!

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Juski:

so if it fixes the issue in SVN head, it'll break it for everyone else

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jams:

Juski- just to confirm, what is the issue with svn?

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Juski:

jams: menu items & watermarks vanish

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Juski:

when the fancy openGL stuff is turned on

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jams:

items = menu items like watch recordings, watch videos

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

apparently – I don't yet have 1st hand experience of it

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jams:

don't see that here

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Juski:

xris has seen the issue too

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Juski:

jams: any problems at all then?

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jams:

watermarks are missing

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Juski:

what's really got me stumped is that I'd diffed lots of theme.xml files from people – there are no major differences apart from obvious stuff like positions & filenames

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jams:

wait..by watermarks I mean the mythtv in the upper corner

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Juski:

watermarks are the < watermark> theme items – the pictures shown when you select a button

[21:15:49]

jams:

the menu picutes like the disk drive and camera are present

[21:16:00]

jams:

right..those are present for me

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Juski:

jams: the mythtv logo bit isn't present in dbackground.png as far as I can remember

[21:16:45]

Juski:

oops yes it is

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jams:

hmm perhaps that screenshot is out of date

[21:17:17]

Juski:

I'll post a one that's a few seconds old then ;-)

[21:18:37]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/screenshot.png

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Juski:

aha! with dbackground.png, the mythtvtext isn't at the top left.. I hadn't saved my theme.xml when I changed it. I remember needing to have the top left clear for mythvideo

[21:19:58]

jams:

on my screen it looks fine, except that "mythtv" in the upperleft is missing

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Juski:

that should be in background.png

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Juski:

I didn't do it as a 'logo' file

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jams:

background.png has it dbackground.png does not

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laga:

re

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jams:

now to look at the theme.xml to see which one the theme wants to use...

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Juski:

wb laga

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Juski:

the theme wants to use background.png

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Juski:

as far as I can remember...

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jams:

correct

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Juski:

MythCenter uses the same thing for its background, yet nobody has reported that as having the problems

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Juski:

sounds to me like I missed an undocumented feature ;-)

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jams:

it's using dbackground.png instead of background.png

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Juski:

is it? how?

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jams:

even though the theme says otherwise

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jams:

if I copy background.png to dbackground.png it looks like your screenshot

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Juski:

that'd be a pretty nasty bug

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jams:

it's the same thing that breaks syth, or at least related to it.

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Juski:

loading the wrong file?!

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Juski:

what I don't get is that all the theme.xml files I've looked at appear to be more or less the same

[21:28:07]

Juski:

so where does this backgroundbutton method come into it?

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jams:

one moment

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jams:

cd

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jams:

oops

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Juski:

my theme.xml file has a <columns>1</columns> which MythCenter doesn't have

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Juski:

but I'd read it gets defaulted to 1, so that shouldn't make any difference...

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afrosheen:

heyoo

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afrosheen:

can someone refresh my memory as to how the Season Pass-style function works

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jams:

Juski- just PM'd you

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Juski:

cheers

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jams:

cool, didn't want to spam the channel with all that stuff

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afrosheen:

for example, I want to record all episodes of 24 starting in 2006, how do I do that

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

prog = mythtv

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Ediehow:

button = EPG

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Ediehow:

config = I

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Ediehow:

what does that do?

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** xris gives IE a good kick **

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Juski:

Ediehow: go to LIRC.org for an explanation

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liran:

yeah id actually like to get some lircrc file to control mythgame (mame) cause i havent been able to so far

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Juski:

and afrosheen you'd want to find and record any episode (possibly on any channel)

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Ediehow:

Juski: uhh, that's a myth option

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Ediehow:

|

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BloodHawk:

Anyone here using USB audio with MythTV? Looking for a decent device that will handle DTS/AC3/digital-out.

[21:43:40]

Ediehow:

let me look on keys., i guiess

[21:44:06]

Ediehow:

that's bizarre, keys says | does mute

[21:44:13]

Ediehow:

but when i do it in myth, it shows placement or something

[21:44:57]

Ediehow:

ah ok

[21:47:41]

Juski:

Ediehow: button = EPG means the key mapped to 'EPG' in your lircd.conf

[21:47:51]

Ediehow:

yeah, i know that

[21:47:53]

Ediehow:

i was asking about |

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Juski:

config = I – that maps it to the I key in mythv

[21:48:10]

Ediehow:

i was asking what the key does, but i looked at keys.txt

[21:49:03]

Juski:

WHAT DOES THE 'I' KEY DO? fucking hell man!

[21:49:17]

Ediehow:

dude, did you not understand what i said?

[21:49:18]

Juski:

'where's the ANY key?'

[21:49:30]

Ediehow:

epg was not doing the same thing as the | key normally does

[21:49:32]

Ediehow:

sheesh

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laga:

Ediehow: dude, he's asking about the pipe. not I

[21:49:48]

laga:

err

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laga:

i meant Juski

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Ediehow:

laga: yeah

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** laga is not fully awake yet **

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Juski:

so why post config = I

[21:50:06]

Juski:

(22:40:59) Ediehow: what does that do?

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Ediehow:

Juski: laga understood what i was asking

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Juski:

| != I

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Ediehow:

well, this is an argument i hate to miss, but i'll see you guys later

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Ediehow:

thanks

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Juski:

doh

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laga:

heh

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laga:

crappy day

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Juski:

crappy users

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Juski:

where the fuck does "I was asking about |" come from up there?

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laga:

i'd really like to have a drink now but i don't wanna mix booze with narcotics

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Juski:

yeh don't do a Kate Moss on us lot :-P

[21:52:05]

laga:

heh :P

[21:53:08]

Juski:

maybe GAIM missed some stuff... the ignore noobs feature or something

[21:53:26]

laga:

heh

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

laga looking at the linuxtag pics

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laga:

jams: heh, nice

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Juski:

hmmm...

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jams:

cable management.....

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Juski:

I'll look at 9381 later

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laga:

don't blame it on me ;)

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Juski:

jams: I got that all sewn up for my stand

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Juski:

pretty fabric ;-)

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Juski:

and gaffer tape <8

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

just kidding with ya

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Juski:

with this thing in England we'll probably get the health & safety lot onto us

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jams:

i'm amazed at how old some of those cases look

[21:56:35]

jams:

that sign is pretty cool

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laga:

jams: did you see the 2 digit LCD in one of those cases?

[21:56:53]

jams:

yeah I did

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laga:

jams: i just love the hand-drawn poster :)

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eiggirC:

jams: what cases?

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Juski:

the sign? I did the mythtv logo thingy (ding!)

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jams:

nice

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Juski:

get even more depressed about my day job when people say I should edit videos or be a designer for a living

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jams:

eiggirC- http://maniacxs3.homelinux.net/LinuxTAG%202006/

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jams:

whats the dayjob?

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laga:

http://www.fox-box.com/linuxtag/ – here are more pictures (including the ones at maniacxs' server)

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laga:

jams: mythtvtalk supporter

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

now that _is_ depressing

[22:00:04]

laga:

tell news :/

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eiggirC:

JasonX: cheers

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Juski:

jams: am an electronic technician/cable maker/box designer/engineer/tester/gopher/cable maker/ cable maker/cable maker/ cable maker

[22:02:34]

Juski:

:)

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jams:

sweet always good to know a good cable maker

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kormoc:

Juski, by chance, would you happen to know how to make cables? :P

[22:05:44]

jams:

yeah the weekend is here

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Juski:

kormoc: yeh, just a bit

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Juski:

I'm not friends with the molex ATX crimp tool though

[22:06:22]

Juski:

and it's not now part of my hand or anything :-P

[22:06:39]

Juski:

ugh! who drew the 'stereo' icon?

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Juski:

jams: best way would be to use a bed of nails

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jams:

dopester !!

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SarahEmm:

woooo for bed of nails clips

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Juski:

right that's some new icon thingies done

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Juski:

it's the slippery slope now

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Juski:

make some new icons.. next!

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Juski:

woohoo I can get a refund for the graphcs card I bought

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jams:

yeah the default ones do not exactly fit with most themes.

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Hoochster:

question on recording if anyone might be willing to answer. I just started Myth couple days ago and am just now testing recording. Will Myth record a show from the frontend while I am in WatchTV mode if I am tuned to that channel or will it only do it if you exit out to the menu after scheduling it?

[22:55:01]

Hoochster:

in other words, if I setup a recording, and it comes time and I am watching tv

[22:55:10]

Hoochster:

I want it to switch channels for me or at least ask me

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xris:

it asks you what you want to do

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Hoochster:

if a recording comes up it asks?

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xris:

keep watching, record & watch, record and stop watching

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Hoochster:

k

[22:56:09]

Hoochster:

only way I have tested it so far is trying to record a showing in progress already and it keeps aborting the recording I guess cuz I am not on that channel? but if I exit out to the menu it works

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xris:

not sure.

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xris:

I don't watch livetv

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Hoochster:

heh k but if it is a scheduled one it will def ask then

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xris:

that's what I remember it doing, yeah

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Hoochster:

k thank you

[22:57:45]

Hoochster:

will test some more just was wondering, testing commercial cutting now so don't wanna stop anything lmao

[22:57:54]

Hoochster:

anyone using dvb?

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xris:

lossless cutting, or just playing with the editor?

[22:58:43]

Hoochster:

anything just seeing what it will do, won't it do it automatically after the recording is done

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xris:

no, it's designed not to

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Hoochster:

ohh ok thought it would

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xris:

it will flag the commercials automatically if you tell it to, but you have to manually turn that into a cutlist

[23:01:26]

Hoochster:

I see

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xris:

if you set "skip commercials automatically" it will use the flag list to skip commercials when you're watching, but since it's about 80–90% accurate, I find it far easier to invoke the cutlist and edit things manually

[23:01:43]

Hoochster:

alright thanks

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xris:

while watching, E to edit, Z to import the flags as a cutlist, then fix any mismatches manually

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Juski:

bah I give up trying to apply a patch for someone elses theme to my theme

[23:06:54]

Juski:

be nice if the people who change the code could update _all_ the themes.. lol

[23:07:06]

Hoochster:

thanks xris

[23:07:12]

Hoochster:

how do you process the edits?

[23:07:16]

Juski:

haha I know how much that's asking so I'll shuddup

[23:07:59]

xris:

Hoochster: make sure your transcode profile is set to "lossless" and then press X while watching to completely cut out the commercials... or you just leave them and mythtv will never play those sections.

[23:08:20]

xris:

Juski: any luck finding that bug?

[23:09:40]

Juski:

xris: nah jams was helping me out a bit & we're both kind of stumped

[23:09:45]

xris:

weird

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Hoochster:

I assume this is alll in the manual xris hehe

[23:09:55]

xris:

Hoochster: probably

[23:10:14]

Hoochster:

hehe

[23:10:16]

Hoochster:

thanks

[23:10:32]

Juski:

jams thinks it's something to do with the theme background attrs not being read in the new UI code. Chutt is gonna eventually make it so a new xml file will be needed for the menu background. we think that's it

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Juski:

lord only knows why it's only affecting his & my themes though :-/

[23:11:25]

xris:

weird

[23:11:36]

xris:

yeah, I've started using Retro and it works fine

[23:11:39]

Juski:

chutt likes the syth theme (or midnight – one of the 2) so I expect it'll get fixed soon

[23:11:50]

xris:

syth is black, midnight is blue

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Hoochster:

I am sure not my last question but last one for now hehe, I am doing audio via spdif, and got ALSA:spdif in as my device and have audio but it isn't doing Dolby, is there anything else I shold do for that?

[23:12:04]

Juski:

it'd be syth then/

[23:12:05]

xris:

syth is pretty nice. I used to like midnight best, but it's less attractive to me now.

[23:12:20]

Juski:

I'm going off my theme now – might be time to do a new one

[23:12:28]

xris:

we use syth on the mythbox here at work. nice on the plasma.

[23:12:43]

Juski:

I want mine to be more shiny

[23:12:46]

xris:

Hoochster: is the source dolby?

[23:12:49]

Juski:

should be easy to do

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kormoc:

Juski, did you ever do any more work on that theme that you were working on via my input?

[23:13:01]

Juski:

kormoc: which one?

[23:13:02]

Hoochster:

yes

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xris:

Hoochster: no clue

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Hoochster:

heh k

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Juski:

the glossy plastic-look one?

[23:13:26]

kormoc:

Juski, a black one... I forget if you named it

[23:14:01]

Juski:

not ProjectGrayhem?

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kormoc:

nope

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Juski:

I can't remember what I've done -played around with so many ideas

[23:14:36]

kormoc:

you made a quick mock up of it if I recall correctly...

[23:14:37]

Juski:

I'll have a dig around my work directory

[23:15:08]

xris:

Juski: you wouldn't be interested in working on a mythweb theme, would you?

[23:15:11]

xris:

er, skin

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xris:

whatever

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kormoc:

Juski, http://www.juski.co.uk/screenshot.png

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Juski:

xris: I might be

[23:16:58]

Juski:

kormoc: that's ProjectGrayhem-wide

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kormoc:

ooh? I thought it was much more gray.

[23:17:55]

Juski:

so-called because it was inspired by ProjectMayhem...'gray' cos it's so monochrome ;-)

[23:18:10]

Juski:

more screenshots over at www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem

[23:18:16]

xris:

and here I thought brits spelled it "grey" not "gray"

[23:18:41]

Juski:

ha

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Juski:

we do

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xris:

heh

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Juski:

I wanna see 'mythcentre'

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Juski:

I was playing around with this idea for a while: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend2.png

[23:21:07]

Juski:

came to this: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend3.png

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kormoc:

Juski, I think that was the one I was 'helping' with

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kormoc:

nifty :)

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** xris can't wait to play with the new mythtv.org server... so many things we'll be able to do with better hardware and lots of bandwidth. theme downloader. heh **

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Juski:

oh and this one: www.juski.co.uk/playback.png

[23:23:52]

xris:

that one is kind of cool

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xris:

you ever think about doing an OSD theme?

[23:24:02]

xris:

the current ones all suck

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xris:

isthmus looks good but the arrows in the editor are all offset

[23:24:42]

Juski:

uhhh I hate lining up arrows. I still haven't got the list view in mythvideo to look right

[23:25:21]

Juski:

I dunno how worthwhile it'd be to make a new theme just yet – at least while the UI is being reworked

[23:26:08]

Juski:

as for OSD stuff – I don't use OSD much. I still haven't got chromakey OSD going in minimyth yet

[23:26:29]

Juski:

I really need it for when I'm editing shows, too

[23:27:42]

Juski:

I think it's really hard to please everybody with themes, whether they be OSD or not – lots of people would like big areas for show descriptions while others would prefer 2 lines & more list area

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Juski:

I ended up in a situation where I had 2 patches sent to me for PG, one was for almost half the screen devoted to currently selected show details!

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frederikfdvp:

hi , i have a strange problem

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frederikfdvp:

when i watch tv or play video , i have a blue line on the left and top of the screen

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Juski:

frederikfdvp: you need XVcolorkey

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Juski:

google it

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frederikfdvp:

ok

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Juski:

either that or adjust your overscan so they no longer show ;-)

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Juski:

and then adjust the GUI size to compensate

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Juski:

that's something else I was gonna sort out – screen calibration – but while the UI is being yarked around with... no point

[23:31:12]

Juski:

saying that I've never made code to move graphics around a screen yet..

[23:31:32]

frederikfdvp:

i googled it , but i don't understand what to do with it :s

[23:31:54]

Juski:

so xris – about the mythweb skinning... is there anything that might be considered a how-to guide? or can I just pick your brains?

[23:32:10]

Juski:

bear in mind I know FA about CSS etc...

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Juski:

I'd like to have a go though

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LLyric:

That's gonna be a handicap :)

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Juski:

it's all just tags though innit? and I knew nothing about linux when I started this lot

[23:33:03]

LLyric:

Sure, it'll be fun try work on it.

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** LLyric has been meaning to contribute to this project, but the one thing that I want myself, is really hard **

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Juski:

frederikfdvp: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0

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Juski:

if you don't have the xvattr command... google to find out how to get it for your distro

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xris:

Juski: picking my brain is good... I'm mostly interested in better colors and maybe some new artwork.

[23:34:37]

Juski:

ahh.. I like the sound of that, xris

[23:35:01]

Juski:

I dunno how mythweb could be improved much – I really like it as it is

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Juski:

xris: when I next have some free time I'll have a look at changing some artwork & stuff – see how I get on

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Juski:

that's how I started with my theme work

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xris:

heh

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xris:

it needs a lot of behind the scenes design work... but I'll get a lot of that done via summer of code

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Juski:

time for bed methinks...

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Juski:

looking fwd to the flash video stuff though ;-)

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Juski:

aanyway...

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LLyric:

I see there's a summer of code thing to change mythweb to use ajax/dynamic stuff

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frederikfdvp:

where do i but that command ?

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frederikfdvp:

put

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** pikhq wonders how to get mplayer to play the .nuv files from MythTV. . . **

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frederikfdvp:

nvm

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frederikfdvp:

i get error , could not open display

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AlmtyBob:

is ubuntu a good choice for a file/media/mythtv server?

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AlmtyBob:

(backend, no vid card)

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kormoc:

AlmtyBob, the best choice is the one you know the best.

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pikhq:

Gah! It seems that MythTV is wanting to avoid caching the video it plays or something. . .

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AlmtyBob:

I know none of them 8)

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AlmtyBob:

haven't installed linux in 10 years

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pikhq:

Somehow, mplayer can handle DVD quality video, and MythTV can't handle a low-quality 480x480 video at a good frame rate!

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AlmtyBob:

so any choice is a decent choice then?

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: I like fedora, because there is a really good HOWTO and prebuild binary packages.

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LLyric:

Basically I just add the repository, and do "yum install mythtv-suite".

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LLyric:

Sweeeet.

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AlmtyBob:

any reason I shouldn't get the 64bit version if I have an athlon64?

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LLyric:

pikhq: any ideas why mythtv uses so much CPU to play recordings?

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AlmtyBob:

no odd compatability issues with 64bit linux?

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kormoc:

AlmtyBob, aye, I use gentoo, others use fedora, others, ubuntu, others debian, others slackware, others vector, others linux from scratch, and so on and so on...

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: some of the drivers aren't realy for 64 bit, I hear, but I don't know specifically

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kormoc:

myth itself is 64 bit safe, most drivers are as well, but ymmv

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AlmtyBob:

k, I'll stick with 32bit

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pikhq:

LLyric: If I go back, and play a segment again, it runs perfectly until I get back to where I went back from. Then, it keeps on going in 1 second jerks.

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LLyric:

pikhq: sounds like IO problems. disk, or lan?

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pikhq:

LLyric: I'd /assume/ it's disk, since the frontend and backend are both on the same system. . .

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xris:

AlmtyBob: I haven't had issues with it

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pikhq:

It doesn't make /any/ sense, though, since mplayer can handle /better quality/ videos perfectly. -_-'

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LLyric:

pikhq: okay, time to look at your disk subsystem config. Which filesystem, io buffering settings, make sure DMA is enable properly, etc.

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xris:

many of the devs run 64bit systems just fine

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pikhq:

. . . Oh. No DMA enabled. x_x

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LLyric:

That's bad!

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LLyric:

You really want DMA on

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AlmtyBob:

time to start building! yay

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pikhq:

Especially since even my /last/ motherboard could handle it. (it was a 5 year old POS)

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LLyric:

pikhq: your motherboard will certainly handle it, it's probably a driver/config issue. What are you using

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: I'd probably try 64 bit distro first, it's just cooleer :)

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pikhq:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: many people report no problems at all

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AlmtyBob:

is it that much better?

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: it's a bit better, yeah

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AlmtyBob:

being relatively new to this I don't want to have to track down crazy conflicts

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LLyric:

AlmtyBob: it'll either work, or not.

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AlmtyBob:

just using the box I'm building as a file/media server

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AlmtyBob:

k

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** pikhq needs to check his kernel config; since I use such a tiny kernel config, I might have done something really stupid in configuration **

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LLyric:

pikhq: that'd be my first guess!

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xris:

AlmtyBob: shouldn't be any problems if you don't have wacky hardware

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AlmtyBob:

well I'm going to throw in a ti4200

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