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| [00:01:54] | fergu2: | Yay! |
| [00:02:03] | fergu2: | thank you everyone for the help |
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| [00:02:36] | ** fergu2 :free beer for everyone! ** | |
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| [00:06:30] | dtm: | fergu2: mysql administration == manually verified backups |
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| [00:12:01] | fergu2: | dtm: what does that mean? load the backup to make sure the data is ok? or just look at the file and say, 'yepp, it's there' |
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| [00:15:35] | dtm: | fergu2: most people would the latter and call it good; that's why they use mysql in the first place (monkey see, monkey do.. or out of sight, out of mind) |
| [00:18:37] | fergu2: | dtm: the problem is, with any kind of rotation, thats not good enough. the maintenance should also call mysqlcheck, otherwise you could be backing up garbage |
| [00:18:47] | fergu2: | dtm: at a minimum |
| [00:18:55] | dtm: | yeah. |
| [00:19:17] | dtm: | well if an app engineer was truly concerned about data integrity, they'd not be using mysql at all, so the point's moot! |
| [00:19:41] | dtm: | they'd simply use postgresql which does have it, and which has no setbacks |
| [00:19:49] | dtm: | so boggle away, sir |
| [00:20:19] | dtm: | or i suppose mysql5 has reduced the problems, but it's still alien to the older versions |
| [00:21:54] | fergu2: | i thought postgres had performance hits which mysql doesnt suffer from? |
| [00:22:32] | fergu2: | i don't know or really care, not a db man myself |
| [00:23:07] | kormoc: | mysql is faster then postgres, aye, but postgres does have a better track record with stability and data intergrety. |
| [00:25:05] | dtm: | that's a completely skewed statement... not having data integrity is sometimes faster than having it. |
| [00:25:25] | dtm: | if you add data integrity to mysql, the so-called speed is gone |
| [00:25:29] | dtm: | ^_^ |
| [00:25:40] | fergu2: | what do you mean by data integrity? atomic commits? |
| [00:25:56] | dtm: | it's not based on history and stats. it's based on trivial common sense of database engineering. |
| [00:26:18] | dtm: | fergu2: here http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| [00:26:50] | kormoc: | fergu2, nah, it's more a case of, the mysql engines don't have nearly as many checks, and so from time to time, a bug happens and you lose data. Postgres takes the idea of a ton of checks to be absolute sure that the data won't be harmed, at the cost of speed |
| [00:27:28] | kormoc: | dtm, some of them only are issues with the myisam engine type as well |
| [00:27:32] | fergu2: | so if your code was perfect, and didnt do any checks, it would be really fast and never fail? |
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| [00:28:12] | fergu2: | sounds to me like a code audit is in order, not writing code to audit a write |
| [00:28:15] | dtm: | fergu2: and if your usage case was that no concurrent writes were ever possible. |
| [00:28:23] | dtm: | then theoretically yes |
| [00:28:41] | fergu2: | dtm: isn't process locking a well known and easily solved problem? |
| [00:28:52] | fergu2: | no concurrent |
| [00:28:54] | fergu2: | hmmm |
| [00:28:56] | fergu2: | dunno |
| [00:29:01] | fergu2: | dont understand the problem enough |
| [00:29:20] | kormoc: | fergu2, it's not that simple. Mysql does all that jazz, the issue is with very rare and odd conditions. There's a reason most people use mysql, and it's not cause it usually screws with your data |
| [00:29:32] | dtm: | these are all well known problems, and have been part of database-independent standards forever and ever |
| [00:29:40] | dtm: | kormoc: yeah, it's coz they don't know or care when it does. |
| [00:29:51] | dtm: | coz it eventually will. |
| [00:30:35] | dtm: | clearly, even mythtv's database of recorded tv shows is beyond the required level of simplicity |
| [00:30:35] | kormoc: | dtm, sure people care and notice. Do you honeslty think that people just assume say customer records just get corrupt for no reason what-so-ever? |
| [00:31:04] | dtm: | and i have also encountered issues with it as well, in an installation that's about a month old |
| [00:31:19] | kormoc: | ohh? |
| [00:32:17] | mishehu: | I find that people are highly prejudicial and conceited in their opinions about rdbms's |
| [00:32:30] | mishehu: | sometimes to the point of zealotry |
| [00:32:37] | fergu2: | right |
| [00:32:46] | fergu2: | i dont know i think i screwed up my DB |
| [00:32:51] | fergu2: | wouldnt blame mysql |
| [00:32:57] | mishehu: | I like mysql, and I'm sure that pgsql is good too. I just don't use it. |
| [00:33:25] | fergu2: | i dont like the SQL syntax myself |
| [00:33:33] | dtm: | fergu2: you can blame it for having been possible ^_^ |
| [00:33:39] | dtm: | if you were so inclined, fyi |
| [00:34:44] | fergu2: | how do I know its not a poorly implemented comm flagging? or that I killed mysql in the middle of a write? it should do a mysqlcheck on startup though... I will blame it for not doing that |
| [00:35:25] | fergu2: | although if I had a huge DB maybe I wouldnt like that |
| [00:35:27] | fergu2: | who know |
| [00:35:30] | dtm: | because it shouldn't be *possible*. |
| [00:35:32] | fergu2: | s |
| [00:35:59] | fergu2: | if I kill -9 postgres in the middle of a write I am sure that would fuck it up too |
| [00:36:04] | dtm: | everything you just mentioned is why transparent data integrity is mandatory inside real RDBMSs |
| [00:36:16] | dtm: | fergu2: you should not sure of any such thing ^_^ |
| [00:36:47] | fergu2: | and how would it prevent from imeadeately dying? run 3 concurrent jobs to check if one dies? |
| [00:36:52] | fergu2: | argh |
| [00:36:54] | fergu2: | speeling |
| [00:37:38] | kormoc: | not at all |
| [00:37:38] | fergu2: | have you ever pegged a postgres DB with writes and then kill -9 it? |
| [00:37:42] | dtm: | no, it atomically checks all operations before committing them like, say, WAFL does on netapp |
| [00:37:46] | dtm: | so they're undoable |
| [00:38:02] | opello_: | couldn't it handle SIGKILL and cleanup? |
| [00:38:06] | fergu2: | ah... so it is an issue of atomic commits? I thought you said no |
| [00:38:14] | fergu2: | -9 cant have a handle |
| [00:38:22] | kormoc: | yeah, atomic commits to the disk |
| [00:38:44] | kormoc: | opello_, file, pull the power plug on the drive during a write, no SIG to catch :) |
| [00:38:47] | dtm: | but anyway i'm not a software engineer so i don't know exactly, literally how it's all done any further. i just know that i've read dozens of pieces of extensive blow by blow commentary by real software engineers and DBAs |
| [00:38:58] | opello_: | kormoc: and that's not a kill -9 :) |
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| [00:39:39] | fergu2: | I am all for atomic commits |
| [00:39:48] | dtm: | and the fact is that some usage cases can find a way to ignore the need for these capabilities, but that in no way eliminates the need. |
| [00:40:13] | dtm: | many popular kinds of usage cases, in fact. it just doesn't inherently reflect on the objective need. |
| [00:40:59] | fergu2: | at any rate... i dont plan to do whatever I did again anytime soon |
| [00:41:07] | dtm: | fergu2: nobody ever does! |
| [00:41:11] | fergu2: | heh |
| [00:41:14] | dtm: | ^_^ |
| [00:41:24] | dtm: | and that's what they all say ;) |
| [00:41:33] | fergu2: | at least I know how to fix if it happens again |
| [00:41:39] | fergu2: | time to make food |
| [00:41:40] | dtm: | hopefully |
| [00:41:50] | fergu2: | thanks for all the fish, and so long |
| [00:41:55] | opello: | doesn't implementation have to satisfy 'acid properties' for reliable transaction processing? |
| [00:42:44] | dtm: | opello: yeah something like that |
| [00:43:04] | dtm: | it's entirely codified down to the letter, in international and product-independent standards, as i understand it |
| [00:43:05] | opello: | and ignoring all 'prophetic' scheduling systems, locking has been ironed out with dynamic 2pl ... i don't think atomiticity of disk writes is a problem with things like transaction logs and stuff |
| [00:44:03] | opello: | i guess it depends on your system, or even configuration — but aside from data corruption at the media level, what's the concern? |
| [00:44:11] | kormoc: | opello, myisam doens't support transactions, innodb on the other hand does, but is slower. |
| [00:44:40] | opello: | transaction in the database sense, not the 'doing more than 1 query in a roll-back-able sense' |
| [00:44:52] | kormoc: | ahh, gotcha |
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| [00:47:57] | fergu2: | sometimes when I am playing a recording back, the screen will freeze and audio goes crazy, only way to get out is to kill frontend |
| [00:48:02] | fergu2: | anyone heard of this? |
| [00:48:18] | fergu2: | mythtv-users list gets so much traffic i can't keep up |
| [00:48:29] | fergu2: | they need a search function for the lists |
| [00:49:03] | opello: | like this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ ?&nb sp;:) |
| [00:49:24] | fergu2: | aha, thanks |
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| [00:58:00] | xrothgarx: | how do I test to see if a card is working with azap? |
| [00:59:28] | fergu2: | ok, i cant find my problem in bugtrac |
| [00:59:38] | fergu2: | anyone else experience this? |
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| [01:00:03] | mishehu: | bah. |
| [01:00:18] | fergu2: | bah? |
| [01:00:27] | mishehu: | anybody know the proper way to convert a vob to mpeg2 ps using transcode? |
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| [01:08:39] | xrothgarx: | is there a way to search all the old logs of this chat room? http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history |
| [01:09:29] | Anduin: | This channel is logged?! |
| [01:10:06] | opello: | 02:08 [freenode] -MythLogBot(n=bot@unaffiliated/beirdo)- This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged -- |
| [01:10:14] | opello: | must have missed that notice when you joined :) |
| [01:10:30] | Anduin: | Yeah, it was a secret attack on MythLogBot actually. |
| [01:10:41] | opello: | fair enough :) |
| [01:11:18] | xrothgarx: | so there is no way to search them all? I tried using google but I don't think it worked |
| [01:11:45] | opello: | looking for anything in particular? |
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| [01:13:10] | xrothgarx: | trying to get my fusion card to work under ubuntu |
| [01:13:29] | xrothgarx: | the directions http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/ just gave me errors |
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| [01:15:34] | diamon: | Ok, I thought I'd found and fixed my 'myth not recording video like it should' problem when I found a tuner error. Apparently, the old config of myth was using tuner0, and my current install is using tuner1, though I'm not sure why. Corrected that, and it's still not recording. Bah. ANyone have any suggestions? |
| [01:18:25] | Anduin: | diamon: Fix it right (the tuner thing was a driver change). |
| [01:19:39] | diamon: | Anduin: That was my guess. Problem is I haven't puzzled out the 'why' of why it's doing this wrongly. It's not permissions or ownership, but aside from that, I'm at a loss. Got the backend running a -v all(but SQL) for me to see what else I find. Watching live TV works fine, so the new tuner is fine. |
| [01:20:19] | Anduin: | Post the backend log for a failed record attempt. |
| [01:20:27] | Anduin: | (to a paste site) |
| [01:21:08] | Anduin: | diamon: Also depending on your setup you may have only changed the default input and not the one associated with the lineup. |
| [01:21:48] | diamon: | Anduin: Eh? |
| [01:22:14] | diamon: | The lineup comment, I mean. I'm setting up a record momentarily. |
| [01:23:51] | Anduin: | diamon: The cardinput table associates a lineup with an input. |
| [01:24:48] | diamon: | Running mythtvsetup wouldn't reset that? |
| [01:25:25] | Anduin: | did you just update it or did you delete everything and add it back? |
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| [01:25:42] | diamon: | Ok, I've set a recording to grab something in 5 minutes, let's see what that does. |
| [01:26:16] | diamon: | Updated, not deleted. How would I delete the card and re-add it, and why would that differ from updating the settings? |
| [01:26:52] | diamon: | Originally, this was an upgrade from FC3/0.18 to FC4/0.19. Seemed fine until I spotted this 'failure to record' thingy... |
| [01:27:29] | Anduin: | Yes, it is a common issue. |
| [01:27:44] | Anduin: | are you at all handy with mysql? |
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| [01:29:18] | diamon: | I know the theory and can log in fine, but no, I don't know SQL all that well. |
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| [01:31:07] | diamon: | If you have the commands or a URL with them, I'm sure I can get it done easy enough. |
| [01:32:05] | Anduin: | If you delete things and add it back in it should work. |
| [01:32:20] | diamon: | Huh. Couldn't find tuner again. You may have something there. |
| [01:33:02] | diamon: | Could not find input Tuner 0 on card when setting channel. Fooey. Delete what things? |
| [01:34:53] | Anduin: | card |
| [01:36:10] | diamon: | Just delete it from the mythtv-setup interface, or something else? |
| [01:36:31] | Anduin: | Yes. |
| [01:42:07] | diamon: | Doing a dump in case I break stuff.... |
| [01:43:16] | diamon: | Oddly, this backup dump is half the size of my original backup. Huh. Did they tighten up DB usage in Myth for 0.19 or something? |
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| [01:53:33] | diamon: | Anduin: I'd rather be sure this is a clean break from my misconfiguration. Would it be better if I nuked the DB entirely, reinitialized the DB like a clean setup, then just restored my record/recorded/oldrecorded/recordedmarkup stuff like an upgrade doc suggests? |
| [01:54:05] | diamon: | Or am I getting too darn complicated over this and should I just kill the card in setup? |
| [01:58:41] | Anduin: | Yes, removing the card and adding it back in should fix it, no need to start everything over (if you knew SQL, that would be easy as well). |
| [01:59:53] | diamon: | Yeah, afraid I don't recall SQL well enough to know how to do searches and whatnot. I know it's along the lines of SELECT * from bleagh WHERE 'data'; or something, but eh, I haven't done it in 2 years-ish now. |
| [02:00:44] | Anduin: | In mythtv-setup you can just select the card and hit d I think. |
| [02:01:22] | diamon: | That does sound far easier than re-learning SQL. I'll give that a go and see what it does. |
| [02:02:43] | diamon: | By the by, I know the backend program needs to be off when running setup or changing the DB, but should I care about the front end one way or the other? |
| [02:02:57] | diamon: | AFAICT, doesn't look like it. |
| [02:03:27] | Anduin: | Yeah, not for the stuff you'll be changing. |
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| [02:16:49] | mishehu: | gah. my brain hurts. |
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| [02:28:50] | AngryElf: | has anyone in here tried viewing mythweb on a smartphone? |
| [02:31:25] | mishehu: | I've never even used mythweb |
| [02:31:26] | mishehu: | heh |
| [02:32:06] | mishehu: | gah. VOB files are just mpeg2 ps with some other shit muxed in them no? anybody know how to pull out jsut the mpeg2 ps and a/52 streams from a VOB ? |
| [02:32:11] | mishehu: | using transcode or ffmpeg |
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| [02:44:23] | diamon: | Ok, tuner, card, and input data all killed off. Now to see if it works for this recording pass. |
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| [03:01:36] | diamon: | Anduin: Ok, that did it. Deleting and re-adding everything related to the tuner card in mythtv-setup has allowed it to record in a seemingly proper way. Looks functional so far, I'll check my recording profiles later! |
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| [03:21:12] | GeeKman: | question, i am using a winfast 2000xp tuner card, is there a way to fine tune the frequencies for it? channel 12 is showing channel 11 and not quite in tune :/ |
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| [03:26:33] | Anduin: | GeeKman: Keep in mind that I know nothing specific about that card, but bad channels or off channels are usually the wrong tuner module and/or the wrong frequency table. (And yes, you can adjust the fine tune if necessary) |
| [03:28:20] | GeeKman: | ok |
| [03:28:49] | GeeKman: | well i tried all of the tables for the US and right now am using the one that looks the best |
| [03:29:05] | Anduin: | Is it just that channel? |
| [03:29:08] | GeeKman: | no |
| [03:29:11] | GeeKman: | its all channels |
| [03:29:35] | GeeKman: | if i want to watch channel 49 i turn to 50, 57 to 58 and so on |
| [03:29:59] | Anduin: | and they all look off? |
| [03:30:10] | GeeKman: | yes |
| [03:30:23] | GeeKman: | kinda fuzzy and verry little color |
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| [03:32:41] | GeeKman: | i found a post on the mythtv-user forum that seems to be a similar problem but there are no replies |
| [03:32:53] | Anduin: | Tried other programs? |
| [03:33:24] | GeeKman: | its just a knoppmyth install |
| [03:33:44] | GeeKman: | i have used the card in another machine (windows) and it did work fine |
| [03:36:51] | AngryElf: | alright, i did something profoundly stupid |
| [03:37:01] | AngryElf: | and i need a commandline option of setting myth's appearance to default |
| [03:37:30] | Anduin: | AngryElf: There is a theme reset if that is what you mean. |
| [03:38:13] | AngryElf: | or that |
| [03:38:22] | AngryElf: | my resolution is defaulting to something impossible to control |
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| [03:42:16] | Anduin: | AngryElf: Look at the --geometry command line argument |
| [03:42:26] | paulc38: | is anyone else having trouble with udev and mythtv? I'm running a pvr-350 on a debian unstable system and upgrading mythtv-backend is causing trouble |
| [03:42:42] | paulc38: | seems to be udev related...but why? Something to do with the pvr-350?? |
| [03:44:47] | CyberDoo: | how do I reset the theme to default? |
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| [03:46:34] | Anduin: | CyberDoo: mythfrontend -r |
| [03:47:55] | GeeKman: | g'night all |
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| [03:51:38] | paulc38: | anyone else with mythbackend segfaulting? |
| [03:51:46] | paulc38: | on unstable debian? |
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| [03:54:11] | CyberDoo: | Using Ubuntu Breezy and the myth packages .18. I can't seem to get the theme to reset. -r isn't working. |
| [03:55:21] | paulc38: | I'm on V 19 debian |
| [03:55:32] | paulc38: | now getting segfaults trying to start backend |
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| [04:11:43] | AngryElf: | on myth's hd3000 wiki it says that you can use myth to check for signals.......how do do this? |
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| [04:17:48] | diamon: | paulc: Start the backend with -v all, see what it's grumpy about. Are you sure mysql is started? Some programs I've used give a segfault on the frontside if mysqld isn't running. |
| [04:18:13] | diamon: | Angry: I think I saw a place to set channel min signal strength under Setup, but I forget where. |
| [04:18:27] | diamon: | Angry: ATSC-somethingorother. |
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| [04:19:56] | defaultro: | mchou? |
| [04:22:12] | defaultro: | mchou, anyways, the other guy in #v4l told me that the problem is the firewire driver. Now, I don't know which is which |
| [04:22:30] | defaultro: | mchou, anyways, I got the firewire card from a friend and I'm going to be testing it now |
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| [04:29:20] | CyberDoo: | How do I disable the MythFM plug-in? I'm using Ubuntu Breezy and the .18 version of MythTV. |
| [04:30:15] | CyberDoo: | Maybe its not MythFM causing the seg fault in my system....hmmmm. |
| [04:34:47] | diamon: | Bad memory and processor overheats can also cause segfaults/sig11's. |
| [04:35:31] | CyberDoo: | mem checks are ok and processor overheat warnings are not present. |
| [04:38:36] | diamon: | Cyberdoo: Good to be sure of, I can't count how many folks over the years swear their memory is fine and when I have them run Memtest86+ and report the result, they go, "Oh, look at that! Is that a dozen errors?" |
| [04:39:19] | CyberDoo: | heheh. I thought the same thing so I checked. |
| [04:39:58] | CyberDoo: | Just as it Registers Internal as a plugin it seg faults. Something with MythDVD prehaps? |
| [04:39:59] | diamon: | CyberDoo: Aside from that I can't help a lot, my systems all lack FM capability on their tuner, or I never used it. |
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| [04:40:20] | CyberDoo: | So does mine. I have the 150 but ivtv seems to think I have one. |
| [04:40:22] | diamon: | Internal Drives is part of the auto-scan for DVD's section I think. |
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| [04:40:42] | AngryElf: | there's a mythFM plugin? |
| [04:40:49] | diamon: | I haven't even asked IVTV what my card has. It's working for my TV stuff, so I'm a happy kinda person. |
| [04:41:22] | diamon: | Yeah, but MythWeb is my fav. |
| [04:41:30] | CyberDoo: | Yeah. I'd love to get this thing working. |
| [04:41:36] | diamon: | Hell, there's a MythPhone section even. |
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| [04:42:25] | diamon: | VoIP on your TV, how funny is that? I've been debating that for a bit, but I'm having too much crap trying to get the volume control to work with ALSA for my spdif output to mess with much else. |
| [04:42:34] | CyberDoo: | hehe...kewl. |
| [04:42:44] | diamon: | Analog out works fine, but not spdif. Making me crazy. |
| [04:42:47] | johnsu01: | So, I'm trying to get things setup with a frontend and backend on different machines, and a USB plextor box using go7007 |
| [04:43:05] | johnsu01: | I can get tv with the test app on the backend server, but on the frontend, I get green snow. |
| [04:43:24] | johnsu01: | when I play back the recording, I get snow, but different looking from when it was playing live. |
| [04:44:02] | johnsu01: | and no audio. |
| [04:45:18] | diamon: | john: Then there's something wrong with your network, net setup, or bandwidth is my top three guesses. Check from the front system to the back system that you can see and get the files named at all and play them locally on the frontend sys. If that works, make sure you can add and delete schedules and recordings, to make sure the two sides talk cleanly. |
| [04:45:37] | johnsu01: | diamon: all of the adding, deleting, and talking seems to be working fine. |
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| [04:45:57] | johnsu01: | diamon: for example, I can select and playback the recorded TV file (which is labeled with the correct show name) fine — it just contains snow. |
| [04:46:20] | diamon: | Hmmm, that's good at least. So if you copy that file locally to the frontend, can you view it directly that way? |
| [04:46:34] | diamon: | Download it via mythweb, failing all else. |
| [04:46:45] | johnsu01: | ok, good idea, trying. |
| [04:47:16] | diamon: | I'm chock-full of good ideas. Whether they're *useful* ideas, well, that may be variable. Especially since I'm more than a bit tired. |
| [04:48:49] | asterboy: | tired? |
| [04:48:59] | asterboy: | plenty of time to sleep when your... |
| [04:49:02] | asterboy: | ...dead! |
| [04:52:25] | johnsu01: | d'oh, segfault. |
| [04:54:05] | asterboy: | ok your dead |
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| [04:54:17] | asterboy: | segfault == death |
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| [04:57:24] | defaultro: | mchou? |
| [04:58:50] | diamon: | john: Playing the recording segfaulted you? |
| [04:59:15] | johnsu01: | diamon: no, just changing menus segfaulted. |
| [04:59:24] | diamon: | Ah, so it played? |
| [04:59:26] | johnsu01: | diamon: I'm actually trying to _make_ a recording right now. |
| [04:59:31] | diamon: | Ok. |
| [04:59:47] | johnsu01: | maybe there is something wrong with the communication. I manually scheduled a recording, but then it did not show up in the recording schedule. |
| [05:00:09] | johnsu01: | although I don't see any errors in the console output |
| [05:00:26] | diamon: | Not sure how much longer I'll be conscious, so in general, try to play on that front. Get that to work, try again. If it fails, check your codecs and libraries for mplayer/xine/whatever you use for playback. |
| [05:01:02] | johnsu01: | ok. for live tv though? |
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| [05:01:42] | diamon: | john: Yeah, I just found out that not all errors are created equal, and many aren't apparently visible except with a -v debugging output. Live TV, I'd test that only on the backend system until the frontend can play a recording. I haven't tried live TV from a different system, so I have few suggestions for that. |
| [05:02:40] | diamon: | Once you can play a recorded show to the frontend, I bet Live TV will do much better. |
| [05:02:58] | diamon: | They're fairly well related to each other, just different video sources. :) |
| [05:03:11] | johnsu01: | ok. I got the recording scheduled successfully, waiting for it to start. My clocks are off between the two machines it looks like. |
| [05:03:41] | johnsu01: | and now I know that the recording scheduler goes by the backend's clock :) |
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| [05:03:59] | diamon: | john: Get those synced, at least to each other. I'm not sure how much time matters with the frontend, but the backend does the actual recording and should be accurate. |
| [05:04:28] | johnsu01: | yeah, synced now. |
| [05:04:46] | johnsu01: | I suppose that could be causing some weirdness actually.. |
| [05:04:55] | diamon: | I set up one of my better servers to provide time internally to my own systems, and it fetches an update from pool.ntp.org every 12 hours. I used to have channel drift on my backend due to a sloppy clock. It was no fun. |
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| [05:05:35] | johnsu01: | theoretically I have separate ntpdate's running on both machines, but it seems to die occasionally on the front end. |
| [05:05:50] | AngryElf: | anyone in here w/ hd3000 exp? I just managed to use atscscan to get a channels list, albeit fewer channels thatn i exected, but now i can't seem to tune to any of these channels, any ideas? |
| [05:08:20] | diamon: | Angry: How's your signal integrity? As I recall, OTA HD needs 65% integrity for Myth to consider it usable. |
| [05:09:02] | diamon: | Angry: And for the record, I've heard (though I haven't tried) many folks saying that a semi-decent HD antenna is a very good thing for OTA HD. |
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| [05:11:41] | diamon: | Ok, afraid I'm a goner, I'll try to look here now and then but I'm pretty much done for. |
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| [05:12:07] | defaultro: | AngryElf, maybe weak signal |
| [05:12:20] | AngryElf: | i think it's i dont know what i'm doing |
| [05:12:47] | AngryElf: | azap -r <chan name> seems to do something, but then what? |
| [05:13:06] | defaultro: | iirc, it creates a channel list |
| [05:13:10] | AngryElf: | i found a howto that says to do mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 in another terminal......but that says it cannot connect to socket |
| [05:13:12] | defaultro: | but actually, I don't use it |
| [05:13:23] | defaultro: | I just use what's built in to mythtv-setup |
| [05:13:24] | mchou: | AngryElf: azap doesnt tune anything |
| [05:13:29] | defaultro: | hey mchou |
| [05:13:35] | mchou: | AngryElf: RTFM |
| [05:13:42] | mchou: | defaultro: hi |
| [05:13:46] | defaultro: | mchou, the new firewire seems to not affect air2pc |
| [05:13:53] | defaultro: | i just rebooted, let me see now |
| [05:13:55] | defaultro: | brb |
| [05:14:04] | mchou: | defaultro: what firewire chip is this? |
| [05:14:28] | johnsu01: | diamon: ok :) I'm not able to see the recording from the frontend.. It's not listed as an option in the "Watch recordings" menu, although the file is there in the directory. |
| [05:18:41] | defaultro: | BAM, no more b2c2 flexcop errors |
| [05:18:57] | defaultro: | mchou, FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems (former Lucent Microelectronics) FW323 (rev 61) |
| [05:19:16] | defaultro: | mchou, let me just setup the 6200 |
| [05:19:20] | defaultro: | brb |
| [05:19:53] | AngryElf: | mchou, show me the azap manual and i'll read it |
| [05:25:38] | johnsu01: | huh, can't even play live tv on the backend. getting some X error BadAccess. |
| [05:26:52] | AngryElf: | i thought so :( |
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| [05:27:47] | defaultro: | mchou, I would like to test firewire. I have done plugreport, what should I do next? |
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| [05:36:48] | defaultro: | hey guys, what does -r mean in test-mpeg2? |
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| [05:37:05] | diamon: | john: Then you've got some deeper-level errors you need to overcome before worrying about the video. Get the backend to play live TV and recordings, then get the frontend to see/add/delete recordings, then get it to play a recording, then play live tv. |
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| [05:37:38] | johnsu01: | diamon: the recording did eventually show up in the list on the frontend. |
| [05:38:25] | diamon: | It shouldn't have taken too long to get there, but showing up at all is a good thing. Now try to get the backend to be able to watch live TV and play recordings, and work from there. |
| [05:38:31] | johnsu01: | diamon: The errors when trying to play the recording on the backend are X errors. "Could not find suitable Xvideo surface" |
| [05:38:46] | diamon: | John: What kind of video card in it? |
| [05:38:59] | johnsu01: | ATI Rage Mobility |
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| [05:41:04] | diamon: | Afraid I don't know that card type, but I've historically had hell getting accelerated X stuff to work at all on ATI cards. I have a 9800XT sitting on a shelf in favor of a GF3 Ti500, if that tells you anything. |
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| [05:41:25] | diamon: | ATI stuff can work, but I'm done trying for a bit. |
| [05:42:32] | johnsu01: | diamon: ah, that was a false alarm. If I do it on the backend box locally, I get the same green snow. |
| [05:42:41] | johnsu01: | diamon: the X errors are because I was trying to do it over ssh forwarded. |
| [05:43:11] | diamon: | Ah, that explains a bit. So maybe the frontend is doing the right thing here, ie showing greenish snow. |
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| [05:43:17] | johnsu01: | yep. |
| [05:43:25] | diamon: | That green snow bit had me confused. |
| [05:43:30] | johnsu01: | but the test app that comes with the go7007 drivers does show TV. |
| [05:43:38] | johnsu01: | so I know it's tuning in and working. |
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| [05:43:54] | diamon: | Then I'd say check your driver and input and such, it seems to revolve around your capture device. |
| [05:44:07] | johnsu01: | it's more like a solid green screen with occasional flickering. |
| [05:44:28] | diamon: | Check the input and format, maybe myth is getting told PAL instead of NTSC or the other way about? |
| [05:45:03] | diamon: | They made a test app for linux for it? |
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| [05:48:04] | defaultro: | BAM, I got a capture via firewire :D -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47493120 May 4 00:47 test.ts |
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| [05:49:11] | johnsu01: | diamon: yep |
| [05:49:24] | johnsu01: | diamon: doesn't do much, but it works for testing |
| [05:49:39] | defaultro: | mchou, this is sweet :D |
| [05:51:26] | defaultro: | mchou, i changed to channel HBO-E manually and test-mpeg2 it, filesize is still 0 :( |
| [05:52:17] | defaultro: | mchou, is that how I should capture those channels? |
| [05:52:23] | defaultro: | Slicer, are you there? |
| [05:57:15] | johnsu01: | diamon: hm, the manual says ntsc-m for the tv tuner |
| [05:57:47] | johnsu01: | and ntsc,pal for video output format |
| [06:08:04] | defaultro: | Slicer, found out from diagnostic that HBO-E is ENC, FUCK!!! |
| [06:13:09] | mchou: | defaultro: told ya |
| [06:13:34] | mchou: | defaultro: you even get Discovery HD? |
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| [06:22:47] | defaultro: | mchou, nope |
| [06:22:50] | defaultro: | :( |
| [06:27:38] | mchou: | defaultro: you dont even get DiscoveryHD via composite/svideo? |
| [06:27:53] | mchou: | (from the STB) |
| [06:28:56] | xris: | mchou: do a host lookup on bluesecurity.com |
| [06:29:30] | mchou: | xris: 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:29:38] | xris: | then read about what the dumbasses did: http://q.queso.com/archives/001917 |
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| [06:30:03] | xris: | it is NOT polite to take out the entire network of a FRIENDLY company. |
| [06:31:05] | xris: | wonder how long until bluesecurity realizes that sixapart got their dns entry changed. heh. |
| [06:31:57] | mchou: | damn |
| [06:32:08] | mchou: | thats fubar |
| [06:32:22] | xris: | yeah |
| [06:35:45] | Tanthrix: | Is it just me or did the latest release of myth remove the ability to set the number of seconds to skip ahead / back? |
| [06:36:17] | Tanthrix: | I originally had it set to 30 / 30 but after upgrading it went back to the default 5 / 30, and now in the playback settings there I swear the option once was to change it, it's gone. |
| [06:37:22] | Tanthrix: | Was it moved somewhere else maybe? I'm pretty sure that I've looked through all the settings menus and I can't seem to find it... |
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| [06:38:27] | mchou: | Tanthrix: it aint gone. it's in recording profiles |
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| [06:39:12] | Tanthrix: | Er, huh? |
| [06:39:26] | Tanthrix: | Those just have the settings for recording. |
| [06:39:46] | mchou: | sorry, meant playback profiles |
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| [06:40:27] | Tanthrix: | I've got "Playback" and "Playback Groups" and it's in neither. Originally it was in "Playback" |
| [06:40:48] | Tanthrix: | Unless I'm missing something glaringly obvious, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. |
| [06:41:49] | Tanthrix: | IIRC it was in Playback, then a few screens in on the page that lets you set the fast forward/rewind reposition amount and all that stuff, but it's not there anymore. |
| [06:41:59] | mchou: | Tanthrix: then you must be blind. It' sin playback Groups |
| [06:42:19] | Tanthrix: | I sit corrected! |
| [06:42:25] | Tanthrix: | Thanks. ;) |
| [06:44:25] | Tanthrix: | So when I said it's in neither, I meant that it's not in Playback and I thought I had checked Playback groups a few days ago but I actually didn't... |
| [06:44:33] | ** Tanthrix is tired and is going to sleep ** | |
| [06:44:41] | Tanthrix: | Thanks for the help. G'night. |
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| [07:00:47] | SlicerDicer-: | wow xris |
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| [07:08:52] | xris: | SlicerDicer-: the livejournal thing? |
| [07:08:59] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah |
| [07:09:15] | xris: | one of my best friends is a sysadmin there.. he was PISSED |
| [07:09:31] | SlicerDicer-: | I can imagine |
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| [07:10:12] | xris: | takes a heck of a lot to take down livejournal, too.. they're constantly putting out like 250 megabit |
| [07:10:57] | SlicerDicer-: | thats really quite astounding |
| [07:11:17] | xris: | when they get slashdotted they don't even see a spike on the bandwidth graphs |
| [07:11:38] | xris: | then again, brad (former owner of livejournal) wrote most of the memory caching code used by slashdot, wikipedia, etc |
| [07:12:56] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [07:13:08] | SlicerDicer-: | well wikipedia had a good explosion of their image servers ;-) |
| [07:13:16] | SlicerDicer-: | but that is unrelated I would assume |
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| [07:14:57] | SlicerDicer-: | so xris apparently its a bad idea to run mysql 5 and mythtv .19 |
| [07:15:26] | xris: | odd. kormoc hasn't had any issues |
| [07:15:34] | SlicerDicer-: | its pretty horrible |
| [07:15:38] | SlicerDicer-: | it was mentioned on the mailing list |
| [07:15:42] | xris: | hmm |
| [07:15:52] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont subscribe to it anymore due to the massive amount of emails |
| [07:16:04] | SlicerDicer-: | but I searched it and found that there were a few people having the same problem |
| [07:16:28] | SlicerDicer-: | apparently mysql times out? and disconnects from the backend and all the recordings data goes POOF |
| [07:16:35] | SlicerDicer-: | downgrading to mysql 4 instantly fixed it |
| [07:17:53] | dtm: | SlicerDicer-: just curious... were you running mysql 5 in backward compatibility mode? |
| [07:18:03] | SlicerDicer-: | maybe not I dont know |
| [07:18:08] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont know mysql for shti |
| [07:18:13] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [07:18:22] | SlicerDicer-: | I just know it drives mythtv good :) |
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| [07:28:06] | Nitro: | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3297805.html#3297805 |
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| [07:30:46] | dorel__: | has anyone got dvd ripping with subtitles working good? |
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| [07:35:27] | SlicerDicer-: | umm maybe be logged in as root to do a 'emerge'? |
| [07:35:33] | SlicerDicer-: | just a thought |
| [07:36:26] | johnsu01: | diamon: ah, turns out this is a FAQ for the plextor in the list archives. All I had to do was raise the bitrate in the recording profile. |
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| [07:47:39] | johnsu01: | now I have video, but no audio. |
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| [08:10:03] | dorel__: | im doing rip/transcoding of a dvd i have and ive marked subtitles to <en> but i get no subtitles on the outpu vob... i dont see anything. any ideas? |
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| [08:26:49] | DGnome: | Hey! mythtv svn channelscanner seems to screw up somewhere and find transponders with a frequency value that equals 32bit max integer, by changing those to correct values with the transport editor, things start working... |
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| [08:35:03] | simcop2387: | DGnome: sounds like a bug, ooo i wonder what it'd do on a 64 bit system, 2**64 maybe? that'd be neat |
| [08:36:44] | DGnome: | known problem, but know atleast I know whats broken ^^ |
| [08:36:56] | DGnome: | s/know/now |
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| [08:48:31] | defy: | can someone tell me the url to that Fedora core 1–4 mythtv tutorial? |
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| [08:55:40] | frederikfdvp: | hi , |
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| [08:57:14] | frederikfdvp: | when i try to trancode , i get this error http://pastebin.com/697620 |
| [09:03:03] | frederikfdvp: | pls |
| [09:03:31] | Merlin83b2: | frederikfdvp: More people will be online this afternoon and this evening. |
| [09:03:38] | Merlin83b2: | Erm, uk time. Not sure where you are. |
| [09:03:45] | Merlin83b2: | Ah, Belgium. |
| [09:03:52] | Merlin83b2: | Same applies. Probably worth asking later on. |
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| [09:07:38] | ** hashbang ought to play around with transcoding, especially for his futurama/simpsons/king of the hill fetish. ** | |
| [09:08:10] | frederikfdvp: | ok |
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| [09:27:59] | eiggirC: | insert into settings (value,data,hostname) values ("RecordFilePrefix","/raid/mythtv/recordings/","caffein e"); |
| [09:28:03] | eiggirC: | YAYYAYAY |
| [09:28:18] | eiggirC: | fixes the error generated by nuvexport (No RecordFilePrefix defined for caffeine in the settings table.) |
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| [10:00:53] | eiggirC: | nuvexport question – is 5.12 fps fast or slow for a celeron 1.7? I'm getting 3.01 fps off my p3 866 |
| [10:01:15] | eiggirC: | admiteddly the celeron has to get the nuv over an nfs link |
| [10:02:21] | LLyric: | nfs shouldn't be limiting |
| [10:02:44] | LLyric: | It's fast enough, my 800Mhz box gets about 2fps |
| [10:03:52] | DGnome: | stuarta: mythtv svn channelscanner seems to screw up somewhere and find transponders with a frequency value that equals 32bit max integer, by changing those to correct values with the transport editor, things start working... |
| [10:04:26] | DGnome: | stuarta: allso, backend works better with -v all than without :D |
| [10:04:29] | stuarta: | that's to be expected with the code in there at the moment |
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| [10:04:57] | stuarta: | better with -v all? That's not expected... |
| [10:04:58] | eiggirC: | LLyric: cheers dude. thansk for that :) |
| [10:05:34] | DGnome: | stuarta: live-tv doens't work at all with no verbose.. weird |
| [10:06:03] | stuarta: | can you try to track down what verbose it works with? |
| [10:06:20] | DGnome: | stuarta: right on it |
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| [10:12:58] | adante: | i'm being told there's a hard limit of 4 DVB cards in a myth system, is this correct? |
| [10:13:16] | DGnome: | stuarta: hmm, can't seem to reproduce that |
| [10:13:32] | adante: | (this following up on before when i thought it was 4 cards in general) |
| [10:14:34] | stuarta: | adante: some kernel drivers limit you to 4 of the same card. |
| [10:15:24] | adante: | stuarta: so it's a kernel limit and not myth? |
| [10:16:28] | stuarta: | the significant bit is the same type of card. |
| [10:16:49] | stuarta: | as people said last night, you can have lots of cards on multiple backends |
| [10:17:25] | adante: | righto, i'm still thinking in terms of the single system setup |
| [10:18:35] | stuarta: | also it's hard to get more than 4 cards to physically fit in 1 machine. |
| [10:18:43] | LLyric: | Cool, my 600Mhz lappie seems to be able to act as 1024x768 frontend with 50% cpu. Cool. |
| [10:19:56] | LLyric: | Dang, still too much, the fan kicks in |
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| [10:32:44] | DGnome: | stuarta: okay, now after changong the frequencies some tv-channels play the wrong streams, for example a radio-stream.. A couple of channels are correct |
| [10:33:18] | DarkOrigin: | Hi guys, I was wondering. What's your recommendations for a linux distro packed with MythTV? Basically, a distro made specifically for running MythTV. |
| [10:34:09] | Merlin83b2: | There's only one, it's KnoppMyth. |
| [10:34:29] | DarkOrigin: | Oh, okay. Thanks :) |
| [10:34:41] | Merlin83b2: | You can run it on pretty much any distro though. |
| [10:34:46] | DarkOrigin: | I'll try that one out.. And it installs everything for me easily as well? |
| [10:35:03] | DarkOrigin: | yea, I know.. I've been playing around with it on my trusty gentoo.. but it was too much of a pain in the end. |
| [10:35:09] | DarkOrigin: | Now I just opt for the easy way out :) |
| [10:36:56] | DarkOrigin: | I even had mythtv working.. or so I think.. But it can't play liveTV which I find a bit odd. So now i just want to try out a distro that claims it works more or less "out of the box". |
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| [10:37:06] | Merlin83b2: | Worked for me :-) |
| [10:37:13] | DarkOrigin: | Good to know :) |
| [10:37:29] | DarkOrigin: | This PVR-350 card is just being a pita.. |
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| [10:50:26] | Neovdr25: | Hello to all |
| [10:52:28] | Neovdr25: | I have mythtv running on debian gnome. Do I realy need to have gnome installed? |
| [10:52:43] | Neovdr25: | Or just x? |
| [10:53:00] | stuarta: | x & a window manager |
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| [10:53:16] | Neovdr25: | what is the most used by users? |
| [10:54:08] | Neovdr25: | window manager you mean gnome or kde? |
| [10:54:34] | Merlin83b2: | They are window managers, but both really overkill for just a mythtv box. |
| [10:55:08] | Neovdr25: | which one you suggest? |
| [10:55:30] | Neovdr25: | I dont want to see window bars etc |
| [10:55:45] | Merlin83b2: | You won't anyway – whichever you're comfortable with. |
| [10:56:07] | Neovdr25: | ok thanks |
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| [11:02:08] | fozi: | stuarta: I think myth is only in the eit-branch not limited to four DVB devices. Daniel removed that limitation last week. And with PCI and USB it wouldn't be a problem to connect more than 4 devices to one backend. |
| [11:03:06] | stuarta: | I saw that as well & mentioned it to Adante, but others were also saying there wasn't a limit... |
| [11:04:44] | fozi: | But the DVB-drivers in older were limitated to 4 devices, shouldn't be a problem newer 2.6 kernels |
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| [11:07:33] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Thanks for your help with the scanning stuff. |
| [11:07:48] | Dibblah: | I get one mplex valid at the end of it still, |
| [11:08:16] | Dibblah: | which works just fine in liveTV. |
| [11:09:12] | stuarta: | better than none :) |
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| [11:10:34] | blafd: | I have recieved a letter from avermedia about the avertv A16A, sort of promising i think: here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/s6SARA49.html |
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| [11:14:08] | stuarta: | afternoon Juski |
| [11:15:27] | Juski: | afternoon stuarta |
| [11:15:56] | Juski: | very nice day today – pity I'm gonna be stuck here til after 7pm |
| [11:16:16] | stuarta: | that bites. |
| [11:16:45] | TakKovacs: | anyone had any luck with the composite input on the dvico dual digital card ? picture quality sux.. |
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| [11:17:12] | Juski: | welcome to software encoding, TakKovacs |
| [11:17:27] | TakKovacs: | ahha... |
| [11:17:34] | TakKovacs: | is there anything I can do ? |
| [11:17:39] | Juski: | stuarta: sucks, yep – it's all for IFSEC |
| [11:17:41] | TakKovacs: | the digital pic is awsome |
| [11:17:45] | Juski: | TakKovacs: not really |
| [11:18:00] | Juski: | digital == very good. analogue, with software encoding == shite |
| [11:18:26] | TakKovacs: | bugger..thanks for the help guys.. |
| [11:18:50] | Juski: | I tried software encoding once out of curiosity. I thought it looked like VHS |
| [11:19:04] | TakKovacs: | my thoughts exactly when i was trying to describe the proble |
| [11:19:06] | TakKovacs: | m |
| [11:19:51] | Juski: | if you want to capture analogue that bad, but a pvr150 |
| [11:20:04] | Juski: | or even buy one :-) |
| [11:20:53] | TakKovacs: | I've got a pvr350 as well as my divco..trouble is that it's in a shuttle case=> only one slot |
| [11:21:04] | TakKovacs: | time for a bigger case methinks |
| [11:22:30] | Juski: | scuttles are very good for little PCs... but only one PCI slot? Sounds like Nvidia SLI hell! |
| [11:23:26] | TakKovacs: | Juski: lol..yep it's about 2yrs old now..I do love the form factor but having owned one now..bigger cases are better |
| [11:24:04] | Juski: | or go separate FE & BE ;-) |
| [11:24:22] | frederikfdvp: | anybody that know to answer ? : when i try to trancode , i get this error http://pastebin.com/697620 |
| [11:24:32] | Juski: | I _could_ fit 750GB of HDD in my frontend box, but I wouldn't want to |
| [11:24:52] | DarkOrigin: | yea Juski that's the COOL thing about mythTV.. The ability to watch TV on every computer device in the house , when running a BE :) |
| [11:25:06] | TakKovacs: | Juski: yep..got distance problems tho..foxtel comes into the same room as the tv (only a small apartment).. |
| [11:25:22] | Juski: | THE cool thing?! there's more than just one cool thing |
| [11:25:36] | TakKovacs: | moving the BE means it's too far away from the rest of the kit.. |
| [11:25:39] | DarkOrigin: | blah :) |
| [11:25:46] | Juski: | frederikfdvp: have you googled to find the solution? it's not far away from you |
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| [11:26:16] | frederikfdvp: | tried google , couldn't find anything to a solution |
| [11:26:38] | Juski: | my backend upstairs records from a cable box in the livingroom. I get audio & svideo to it over my own cat5 video sender |
| [11:27:43] | TakKovacs: | ah..that's an idea..mind you keeping a low profile with kit at the moment..just upgraded amp, speakers and subwoofer at home.. |
| [11:28:23] | TakKovacs: | missus is being tolerant of 7.1 speakers in the living room but only just..no more kit in the living toom |
| [11:28:24] | TakKovacs: | room |
| [11:29:44] | Juski: | frederikfdvp: you didn't look very hard then: http://www.pvrweb.com//bbs-old/viewtopic.php?p=95088 |
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| [11:31:42] | frederikfdvp: | ok , most of missed it |
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| [11:38:33] | frederikfdvp: | ok , its trancoding now :) |
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| [11:53:50] | Juski: | like don't say thanks or anything |
| [11:53:59] | LLyric: | Dang, mythtv uses too much cpu, makes my crappy lappy run it's fans loudly |
| [11:54:19] | Juski: | so get a lappy that is not crappy ;-) |
| [11:55:20] | LLyric: | I wanted to use my *old* lappie for a frontend in the bedroom, but it looks like it's just a bit too slow |
| [11:55:27] | LLyric: | My newer lappie isfine |
| [11:55:54] | LLyric: | It's using 38% to drive mythfrontend and 11% to drive Xorg :( |
| [11:56:26] | LLyric: | @640x480 |
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| [11:56:44] | LLyric: | Might have to try 320x240 :( |
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| [11:57:31] | LLyric: | Unless there's some other way to reduce cpu usage? |
| [11:57:58] | LLyric: | I'm not deinterlacing, or running any OSD at the time. Am using xorg savage driver... |
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| [12:15:21] | DarkOrigin: | LLyric: how fast is that crappy lappy? |
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| [12:17:44] | Juski: | hiya laga |
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| [12:25:36] | laga: | hi Juski |
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| [12:52:22] | dorel__: | i just installed xmame and mythgame, so cool :P |
| [12:52:25] | dorel__: | oldschool stuff |
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| [13:32:31] | frederikfdvp: | when i check my /mnt/store dir , its contains numbers instead of the program , is there a way to change this ? , so that the numbers became the recordingsname |
| [13:35:49] | dorel__: | has anyone made xmame work with lirc? |
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| [13:48:41] | DarkOrigin: | I just installed KnoppMyth , and everything worked GREAT.. Then I wanted to set it up with a static IP (I messed up during the install, and chose DHCP), so I fixed that, and did some changing in the MythTV backend and frontend to connect to the new static IP. But now I get MySQL errors.. |
| [13:48:58] | DarkOrigin: | I wanted the static IP because I will need to use that machine as a backend for other frontends.. so.. static IP is good :) |
| [13:49:28] | DarkOrigin: | I think the problem lies in the mysql db.. But I'm not sure.. Anyone have an idea? |
| [13:49:55] | benderz0r: | mm |
| [13:50:28] | benderz0r: | can you start mythtv, if so does livetv work? |
| [13:50:41] | DarkOrigin: | I can start the frontend, but it takes me through the configuration steps.. |
| [13:51:05] | DarkOrigin: | terminal tells me: Cannot connect to mysql database on 172.16.10.21 |
| [13:51:08] | benderz0r: | good enough, so it is a db connectivity problem |
| [13:51:14] | benderz0r: | oh, thats odd |
| [13:51:18] | benderz0r: | erm, in... |
| [13:51:46] | Anduin: | DarkOrigin: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [13:51:48] | benderz0r: | some where related to my sql like erm? /etc/mysql/mc.db (or some thing like that) there is a line |
| [13:52:06] | benderz0r: | change that line from 127.0.0.1 to your static address |
| [13:52:08] | Hoxzer: | Happy |
| [13:52:09] | benderz0r: | or some thing |
| [13:52:25] | DarkOrigin: | Anduin: that's set to the right thing.. :) |
| [13:52:33] | DarkOrigin: | DBHostName=172.16.10.21 |
| [13:52:42] | DarkOrigin: | 172.16.10.21 is the static IP – it was 127.0.0.1 before.. |
| [13:53:12] | Anduin: | DarkOrigin: You probably have mysql binding only to localhost then. |
| [13:53:23] | DarkOrigin: | most likely.. Sounds reasonable. |
| [13:53:30] | DarkOrigin: | I wonder how I change that in this distro. Lemme look into that |
| [13:53:35] | Anduin: | DarkOrigin: /etc/my.cnf probably |
| [13:53:40] | benderz0r: | thats the one :D |
| [13:54:28] | DarkOrigin: | /etc/mysql/my.cnf doesn't include the line that tells it to only listen at 127.0.0.1 .. |
| [13:54:57] | DarkOrigin: | oh wait, there's a "skipnetworking" option in place |
| [13:55:07] | benderz0r: | thats probably it |
| [13:55:15] | benderz0r: | there is two things I had to do in it |
| [13:55:17] | DarkOrigin: | theeere we go :D |
| [13:55:20] | benderz0r: | set the static addy and do that |
| [13:56:00] | DarkOrigin: | I just commented it so far, and now it works. But.. It rebuffers a lot now. |
| [13:56:18] | DarkOrigin: | No TV, just rebuffering. Probably due to me turning on hardware support for my pvr350 card |
| [13:56:38] | benderz0r: | blank screen? |
| [13:56:45] | benderz0r: | blank/black? |
| [13:56:46] | DarkOrigin: | yup, the console is going crazy though |
| [13:56:49] | DarkOrigin: | black |
| [13:56:58] | benderz0r: | ifso you forgot to put the ip addy twice |
| [13:57:05] | benderz0r: | go to setup |
| [13:57:07] | benderz0r: | general |
| [13:57:18] | DarkOrigin: | it's rebuffering.. It got the db and stuff |
| [13:57:26] | benderz0r: | and put where you see 172.16.10.21 down later |
| [13:57:37] | benderz0r: | it might be in mythtv-setup |
| [13:57:45] | benderz0r: | rebuffering or blank/black screen? |
| [13:57:56] | DarkOrigin: | black screen, and in console it says "rebuffering" |
| [13:58:08] | Hoxzer: | Love for me |
| [13:58:20] | benderz0r: | give it a bit and see if it says error switching from none to none |
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| [13:58:44] | benderz0r: | also hardware support on a 350 never did that for me :| |
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| [14:02:08] | dorel__: | am i the only one whose dvd ripping with subtitles dont work? |
| [14:02:29] | dorel__: | ive tried different disks, different subtiles but still i dont see any (quality mode is 'perfect) |
| [14:03:31] | Anduin: | dorel__: In perfect mode it copies the .vob directly, no transcoding, no real modification from what is on the disc. |
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| [14:05:55] | dorel__: | i see |
| [14:06:05] | dorel__: | how do i get the dvd on the hd with subtitles on it? |
| [14:06:26] | Anduin: | dorel__: Uh, what you are doing should do it, how are you testing? |
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| [14:07:11] | DarkOrigin: | I'm terribly sorry.. I made the "mistake" to try out the frontend on my laptop, and connect to the backend on the server.. |
| [14:08:06] | DarkOrigin: | I know I have problems with certain video-players on the laptop.. It freezes it up.. Bad X server, I'm waiting for a better stable from Gentoo Linux.. So well, long story short: It worked, I got sound, but seconds after the machine crashed because of the video. |
| [14:09:28] | DarkOrigin: | But I think I found the reason why it was blank and buffering.. It's outputting to my TVout, not my monitor. |
| [14:09:32] | DarkOrigin: | Or at least, so I think |
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| [14:10:30] | dorel__: | Anduin: well ive put several dvds into the dvd-rom, went to dvd ripping, i chose language, disabled/enabled (tried both) ac3, chose subtitles <en> or <en2> or <iw> (i also tried several subtitles) |
| [14:10:44] | dorel__: | Anduin: what i get is the video but with no subtitles. (video and audio only) |
| [14:11:29] | Anduin: | dorel__: What are you using to test that you don't have subtitles? (The other options are for non-perfect/non-iso). |
| [14:12:28] | DarkOrigin: | And now I'll try from the laptop again.. Wish me luck.. If I time out in a little while, you didn't do good enough ;) |
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| [14:18:32] | DarkOrigin: | ah well, I made the frontend work on the backend machine.. I'll have to wait with trying out the frontend on the laptop , till Gentoo Linux kicks out the x server that will make it work. |
| [14:18:41] | DarkOrigin: | Thanks for all the great support people :) |
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| [14:42:22] | dorel__: | Anduin: oh, well i try to play the file with mplayer... :P |
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| [14:42:57] | dorel__: | Anduin: ive got the ripped vob' files in the movies directory where the rest are and mplayer is playing them... only no subtitles for the dvd rips |
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| [14:47:29] | plb: | for irsend to work where should the remote name be? I have the name in lircd.conf but when I do irsend it says unknown remote |
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| [15:17:20] | plb: | anyone have the explorer 2000 box from twc? |
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| [15:32:04] | plb: | hrm anyone using a channel change script here? |
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| [15:47:19] | Juski: | plb: I read something about the hauppauge irsend stuff – apparently you can only send certain remotes! |
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| [15:49:37] | plb: | hrm |
| [15:50:05] | plb: | Juski: I got the remote up and working I'm just trying to get irblaster going so it will change the channel of my cablebox |
| [15:50:19] | plb: | rather then the tuner itself |
| [15:50:21] | Juski: | try using irrecord to record the cablebox remote |
| [15:50:40] | plb: | huh what do you mean? |
| [15:50:42] | Juski: | if it works, then chances are you can get irsend to work |
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| [15:55:19] | plb: | Juski: do you use a cable box with myth |
| [15:55:20] | plb: | ? |
| [15:55:49] | Juski: | plb: for irsend to work with a certain type of remote, you'd have to have that remote's IR codes in your lircd.conf |
| [15:56:06] | Juski: | I change channels on my cable box with http requests :-P |
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| [15:56:26] | plb: | yeah you mean like the cable box code? I got the codes for my box (explorer 2000) from that sourceforge page |
| [15:56:28] | the-FoX: | hello |
| [15:56:46] | Juski: | hi the-FoX how's it going? |
| [15:56:49] | the-FoX: | can someone tell me, if it's possible to use mouse as input device for mythfrontend? |
| [15:56:59] | Juski: | no it's not possible |
| [15:57:03] | the-FoX: | it's going good Juski |
| [15:57:04] | Juski: | not in 0.19 anyway |
| [15:57:32] | the-FoX: | the mouse-question was, cause some people asked of it, cause they want to use touchscreens |
| [15:57:34] | Juski: | mouse clicks work for some items – like qt menus (setup menus mostly) but not the main UI |
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| [15:58:07] | Juski: | I've seen some stuff about using a mouse in SVN code but I don't know how far it has got |
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| [15:58:57] | plb: | Juski: do you know exactly where your supposed to tie in the channel_change script? I got the script here: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 |
| [15:59:28] | Juski: | plb: if irsend isn't working you may as well not bother with the channel change script |
| [16:00:07] | Juski: | and if you read the FM you will find out exactly where to put the channel change script path |
| [16:00:32] | Juski: | clue... it's the part of mythtv-setup where it says "use external channel change command" |
| [16:00:51] | plb: | hmmm |
| [16:00:55] | plb: | lemme take a look |
| [16:03:21] | plb: | hrm |
| [16:04:04] | Juski: | plb: if you look here: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=17 you'll see that the pvr150 IR blaster can only send out codes in its database. if you need to send a code not in its database you will need a serial port IR blaster or something |
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| [16:04:20] | plb: | i have irblaster |
| [16:04:35] | plb: | ok put in that channel change path...time to test it out |
| [16:04:52] | Juski: | it won't work.. it won't work |
| [16:05:31] | plb: | haha....... |
| [16:05:38] | plb: | everytime I change the channel its the same one |
| [16:05:39] | Juski: | well? |
| [16:05:40] | plb: | wth |
| [16:05:48] | Juski: | told you it wouldn't work |
| [16:06:11] | Juski: | like I said, if the irsend command doesn;t work, the channel changer script is hardly likely to |
| [16:06:55] | plb: | well how do I get it to work....I put the cable codes for the channels in lird.conf |
| [16:06:59] | plb: | hmm |
| [16:07:30] | Juski: | plb: the thing here is that the hauppauge IR blaster can only send out codes in its database – these cannot be changed and are built in. so your lircd.conf will make no difference as far as I can tell |
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| [16:07:43] | Juski: | point me to the lircd.conf you're using |
| [16:07:48] | plb: | ok 1 moment |
| [16:09:09] | plb: | http://pastebin.com/698225 |
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| [16:10:38] | Juski: | plb: the IR blaster you have can't send raw codes |
| [16:11:00] | plb: | hm |
| [16:11:12] | plb: | so what do I need to do? |
| [16:11:37] | Juski: | what you need to do is find out which code the cable box, out of all the codes in the IR blaster DB, works. refer to the page i posted a link to earlier |
| [16:12:26] | plb: | woah im lucky |
| [16:12:27] | plb: | ! |
| [16:12:31] | plb: | it got the explorer 2000 |
| [16:12:34] | plb: | which is on that list |
| [16:12:47] | plb: | so how do i get this thing going |
| [16:13:40] | plb: | the code is 78 |
| [16:13:48] | Juski: | plb have you even read the page I sent? |
| [16:13:59] | plb: | the blushing penguin one? |
| [16:14:23] | Juski: | yup |
| [16:14:32] | plb: | yeah |
| [16:15:33] | plb: | name 0_0_KEY_0 would be name 7_8_KEY_0? |
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| [16:15:45] | plb: | is that what I'm supposed to do? |
| [16:16:03] | Juski: | Once you know which codeset you want you can go and delete all of the rest from lircd.conf. They are named .XXX_key. |
| [16:16:06] | Juski: | so should be pretty easy to find. I also gave the keys standard names (0–9). |
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| [16:16:49] | plb: | so I simply change name 0_0_KEY_0 to name 7_8_KEY_0? |
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| [16:17:43] | plb: | er name 0_78_KEY_0 |
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| [16:19:39] | Juski: | you can name the keys whatever you like |
| [16:19:50] | Juski: | just so long as the code definition is the right one |
| [16:20:24] | plb: | hrm wait can I just edit my current lird.conf and take out all the numbers and put 78 for each button? |
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| [16:20:47] | plb: | lircd.conf rather |
| [16:21:18] | Juski: | try it |
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| [16:23:20] | plb: | hm that didn't appear to work |
| [16:23:32] | Juski: | did you restart lircd? |
| [16:23:35] | plb: | yes |
| [16:23:47] | Juski: | ah well |
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| [16:23:57] | plb: | name 1 78 |
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| [16:37:55] | Neeesat25: | Is there a smaller desktop manager than kde or gnome? |
| [16:38:23] | Neeesat25: | A lot of things to install for my mythtv box |
| [16:39:18] | GreyFoxx: | kde/gnome are a total waste for a dedicated my th box |
| [16:39:24] | GreyFoxx: | there are a ton of small window managers out there |
| [16:39:49] | Neeesat25: | what do you suggest? |
| [16:40:06] | Neeesat25: | recomend? |
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| [16:44:30] | Neeesat25: | fvwm95 looks good |
| [16:44:45] | Neeesat25: | Did anyone try it? |
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| [16:51:06] | laga: | Neeesat25: fluxbox, ratpoison, jwm are common |
| [16:52:24] | Neeesat25: | hmm |
| [16:52:38] | kormoc: | lwm is nice |
| [16:52:41] | kormoc: | xfce is nice |
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| [16:55:06] | Neeesat25: | I will try lwm |
| [16:55:07] | Neeesat25: | thanks |
| [16:55:32] | Anduin: | twm is nice |
| [16:56:21] | Neeesat25: | looks very small |
| [16:56:26] | Neeesat25: | in file size |
| [16:56:31] | Neeesat25: | thats what I need |
| [16:58:36] | kormoc: | lwm is the smallest iirc |
| [16:59:15] | kormoc: | it's 44,300 bytes compiled |
| [16:59:39] | kormoc: | and the source is 46,309 bytes |
| [16:59:52] | plb: | anyone using a channel change script in here? |
| [17:00:38] | laga: | plb: well, just ask a *real* question and maybe someone will answer :) |
| [17:00:57] | plb: | I have the code for my box but for the script to work it says I need to change the name of the number buttons but where? lircrc? |
| [17:03:08] | plb: | the code for say 0 of my box says I have to use this name 1_78_KEY_0 2152595456 |
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| [17:24:00] | plb: | hm ok I got the channel change script somewhat working there is one problem however...... |
| [17:24:09] | plb: | it only takes one number at a time |
| [17:24:26] | plb: | for example if I put in channel 10...myth will go to channel 10 however my cable box will go to 1 |
| [17:24:40] | plb: | anyone know how to fix this? |
| [17:26:08] | fozi: | can someone send me ivtv-0.6.1.tar.gz? ivtvdriver.org is atm down |
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| [17:28:42] | plb: | fozi: try getting the source from a gentoo mirror |
| [17:29:19] | kormoc: | plb, gentoo only has 0.2.0 mirrored |
| [17:29:25] | plb: | damn |
| [17:29:27] | fozi: | as far as I can see gentoo has no ivtv-0.6 |
| [17:31:02] | plb: | do pvr's only allow for the first 125 channel or 125 channels altogether? |
| [17:32:29] | kormoc: | likely the first, as that's all analog cable supports, no? |
| [17:32:47] | plb: | I dunno I got digital |
| [17:34:23] | fozi: | I have it |
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| [17:39:07] | danst: | hi it seems that my mythbackend is regularily checking the "store" directory. is this right? it's bad for me since i want my raid to be unmounted after some time (automount). is there a way to have the backend running and autofs working? |
| [17:40:48] | Anduin: | Probably not. |
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| [17:49:54] | danst: | is it possible to check the database and shutdown the mythbox/backend after the last recording (after a given hour)? |
| [17:52:49] | Anduin: | danst: The only thing close to that is the nvram shutdown/wakeup stuff (which would normally be used to shut the whole machine down) |
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| [17:54:40] | fozi: | Anduin: got the file, couldn't answer since I'm not authenticated. Thanks |
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| [18:05:16] | Anduin: | fozi: Yup, I was peaking at the logs. |
| [18:06:08] | kormoc: | jesus... there are 16 mythbackend instances on my mythbox... no wonder it was screaming at me... |
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| [18:10:35] | plb: | hey guys anyone recommend some cool plugins..so far I got mythmusic mythweather..any other recommendations? |
| [18:10:57] | kormoc: | mythvideo, mythweb, mythdvd |
| [18:11:21] | plb: | what is mythweb and video? |
| [18:12:13] | kormoc: | mythvideo allows you to watch videos from myth |
| [18:12:25] | kormoc: | mythweb allows you to setup recording schedules and what not via the we |
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| [18:12:27] | kormoc: | b |
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| [18:13:07] | plb: | interesting |
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| [18:26:59] | Juski: | evening. quick question.. which version of mythtv uses protocol 26? |
| [18:27:30] | plb: | Juski: I got it working but there is one problem.... |
| [18:27:46] | Juski: | plb: cool! I suspected you'd figure it out |
| [18:28:00] | plb: | when I input a channel with say 2 numbers it only takes the first |
| [18:28:06] | Juski: | now you're wondering how to get all the many channel numbers into the database...? |
| [18:28:19] | plb: | heh |
| [18:28:43] | plb: | like if i put in channel 10 it will goto channel 1 on the cable box but mythtv will go to 10 |
| [18:28:44] | Juski: | plb: does your cablebox remote have an 'enter' button? |
| [18:28:57] | plb: | erm |
| [18:29:00] | Juski: | you might have to put a delay in the script |
| [18:29:24] | plb: | hm |
| [18:29:33] | Juski: | or if theres a delay, reduce it |
| [18:29:50] | Juski: | where's the channel change script you're using? |
| [18:29:58] | plb: | I'll post it 1 moment |
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| [18:31:03] | plb: | http://pastebin.com/698505 |
| [18:31:20] | ** Juski waits for DrNick to say "hallo everybody" ** | |
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| [18:32:00] | DrNickRiviera: | hi everybody ;) |
| [18:32:37] | DrNickRiviera: | used to do it, but i barely ever got a reply, so i gave up |
| [18:33:53] | Juski: | plb: in line 39, put two spaces between the quotes, so you get $temp .= substr($SIGNAL,$counter,1) ." "; |
| [18:34:06] | Juski: | hi DrNickRiviera :-) |
| [18:34:40] | plb: | ok |
| [18:34:43] | plb: | thats it? |
| [18:34:44] | Juski: | plb: try that & see how it goes. if it's no better, try it with no spaces |
| [18:34:47] | plb: | ok |
| [18:35:13] | Juski: | or more spaces... |
| [18:35:21] | laga: | what about tabs? |
| [18:35:28] | Juski: | tabs are evil |
| [18:35:31] | plb: | nope didn't work |
| [18:35:33] | laga: | or line breaks? |
| [18:35:44] | kormoc: | what about nulls? |
| [18:36:23] | Juski: | plb: also – does your cablebox allow you to enter channel numbers with the remote? crazy I know... |
| [18:37:37] | Juski: | laga: our cable boxen are the best.. http requests to change the channel... who'd have thunk it? ;-) |
| [18:38:09] | laga: | Juski: i'm very glad that they used crappy ethernet chipsets!! |
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| [18:38:50] | kormoc: | too bad you can't capture over the ethernet |
| [18:39:03] | laga: | you can :) |
| [18:39:06] | laga: | well, sometimes. |
| [18:39:08] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:39:19] | ** laga stares ** | |
| [18:39:21] | kormoc: | that would be awesome! |
| [18:39:28] | laga: | :) |
| [18:39:32] | laga: | www.tuxbox.org |
| [18:39:33] | Juski: | yep – for about 5 minutes, then the box' http daemon hangs |
| [18:39:59] | ** Juski mutters something about amateur hackish craxx0r5 ** | |
| [18:40:23] | Juski: | as if I could do any better.. muhahahah |
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| [18:40:49] | plb_: | argh damn dog hit the reset button |
| [18:41:02] | plb_: | Juski: did you have anymore ideas on how to solve the problem? |
| [18:41:18] | Juski: | plb: try that & see how it goes. if it's no better, try it with no spaces |
| [18:41:18] | Juski: | (19:34:47) plb: ok |
| [18:41:18] | Juski: | (19:35:13) Juski: or more spaces... |
| [18:41:25] | plb_: | heh ok |
| [18:41:29] | laga: | no, we were just bragging about our shitty cable boxen ;) |
| [18:42:00] | ** Juski is starting to add up how much donating my time to the lugradio gig is actually gonna cost in hardware ** | |
| [18:42:39] | plb_: | well how many spaces? I put 5 in and still the same thing |
| [18:42:44] | Juski: | need power cables, network stuff, AV cabling... |
| [18:42:58] | Juski: | plb_: it could be that the protocol isn't bang-on |
| [18:43:28] | plb_: | hm |
| [18:43:30] | Juski: | plb: try using your cablebox remote & seeing how slow you have to be to change channels by typing numbers in |
| [18:43:56] | Juski: | the script might need modifying to slow it down more |
| [18:44:09] | plb_: | I would if I could find the remote =) |
| [18:44:37] | plb_: | but the remote has an ok button like you put some numbers in and hit ok and it goes right to that channel |
| [18:44:37] | ** Juski forgets how you put pauses in with PERL ** | |
| [18:44:39] | laga: | plb_: try emulating the remote with an irblaster |
| [18:44:40] | ** laga runs ** | |
| [18:45:01] | Juski: | plb_: ahhhhh! for 'ok' – read 'enter' |
| [18:45:06] | Juski: | in the script |
| [18:45:19] | Juski: | geddit? |
| [18:45:29] | plb_: | i have the script open now |
| [18:45:45] | plb_: | $needs_enter = 0; |
| [18:45:48] | Juski: | so in line 10 you'd have $needs_enter = 1 |
| [18:45:48] | plb_: | there is that at the top |
| [18:45:56] | plb_: | ok |
| [18:46:17] | Juski: | then in line 15: $enter = "0_78_KEY_ENTER"; but replace the string with whatever the 'ok' key is in your lircd.conf file |
| [18:46:40] | plb_: | ok |
| [18:46:47] | Juski: | fuck. I have a blister on my hand from making ATX PSU cables today |
| [18:47:22] | plb_: | damn there is no ok button in lircd.conf bah |
| [18:47:36] | Juski: | plb: find your cablebox remote |
| [18:47:58] | Juski: | then run irw, press OK and see what comes out of irw |
| [18:48:15] | plb_: | pl |
| [18:48:17] | plb_: | ok |
| [18:48:23] | Juski: | plb: need to see your lircd.conf again |
| [18:48:42] | ** Juski wonders how much money could be made at this game... ** | |
| [18:48:50] | plb_: | 1 moment |
| [18:49:13] | Juski: | donations to: l337_myth0r@paypal.com |
| [18:49:26] | laga: | what game? |
| [18:49:33] | Juski: | the end-user support game |
| [18:49:48] | Juski: | it'd be fun while it lasted, but hard not to insult the customer I guess |
| [18:49:49] | plb_: | http://pastebin.com/698558 |
| [18:50:23] | laga: | Juski: oh, yeah |
| [18:50:38] | Juski: | plb_: you're gonna have to run irw & point that remote at the sensor.. press 'ok' & see what comes out |
| [18:50:44] | Juski: | (if anything) |
| [18:51:15] | plb_: | for the cable box remote? |
| [18:51:18] | Juski: | yup |
| [18:51:21] | plb_: | ok |
| [18:51:26] | plb_: | lets see if i can find it |
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| [18:51:45] | Juski: | failing that, there's always irrecord... (if it'll even work with that remote) |
| [18:52:12] | Juski: | what cable box is it again? I might have another way |
| [18:52:28] | plb_: | scientific atlantic explorer 2000 |
| [18:52:30] | Juski: | btw if you fix this, for fuck's sakes document it somewhere |
| [18:52:51] | plb_: | heh |
| [18:52:52] | plb_: | i will |
| [18:53:24] | plb_: | oh found it |
| [18:53:26] | plb_: | woohoo |
| [18:54:17] | plb_: | hrm it doesn't do anything |
| [18:54:55] | Juski: | try irrecord |
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| [18:55:25] | plb_: | what do I pass to irrecord |
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| [18:55:57] | Juski: | irrecord <some filename> |
| [18:56:12] | Juski: | you might need to stop lircd for a while |
| [18:57:18] | plb_: | irrecord: gap not found, can't continue |
| [18:57:54] | Juski: | bah |
| [18:58:20] | Juski: | I found a pronto hex file for your remote – but it's a bitch to convert the hex codes to LIRC codes by hand |
| [18:59:00] | plb_: | heh |
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| [19:01:04] | plb_: | maybe qalculate can convert the number |
| [19:01:13] | Juski: | I doubt it |
| [19:07:14] | plb_: | argh so close...! |
| [19:07:48] | plb_: | ah well I'll bbl |
| [19:07:51] | plb_: | thanks for the help |
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| [19:13:24] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [19:13:43] | fir3st0rm: | does someone use the "fglrx" driver? |
| [19:16:14] | kormoc: | I'm sure someone does, at the very least an engeneer at ati. |
| [19:17:05] | fir3st0rm: | does someone here use the "fglrx" driver on his frontend? *sigh* ;) |
| [19:17:47] | kormoc: | Hehe, well, I don't, but I've delt with it before, so you might want to just say your question |
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| [19:18:14] | fir3st0rm: | the grayhem theme doesn't work correctly |
| [19:18:34] | fir3st0rm: | the menu items disappear when i navigate up/down |
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| [19:20:46] | Juski: | bollocks |
| [19:20:56] | Juski: | works fine here! |
| [19:21:05] | kormoc: | you sure it's the ati driver? |
| [19:21:21] | laga: | Juski: he's talking about svn head |
| [19:21:28] | fir3st0rm: | no, it happens with the opengl renderer |
| [19:21:33] | Juski: | fuck that, in that case then |
| [19:21:45] | laga: | heh |
| [19:22:02] | Juski: | I don't make any claims about my theme working with SVN head |
| [19:22:04] | kormoc: | that's more an issue with the opengl renderer in mythfrontend, and not the fglrx drivers |
| [19:22:24] | kormoc: | so, I'm not sure what you'd be wanting help with |
| [19:22:38] | fir3st0rm: | the other themes work, what's special about that theme? :o |
| [19:22:46] | Juski: | maybe my watermarks are bigger in filesize |
| [19:23:22] | kormoc: | fir3st0rm, donno, but Juski is the author of the theme |
| [19:23:29] | fir3st0rm: | i wanted to find someone being able to reproduce the problem |
| [19:23:35] | Juski: | anyway I've still not had an answer to my question about the new opengl stuff... the menu transitions.. are they fading, or zoom-fading? |
| [19:23:47] | fir3st0rm: | oh well :) |
| [19:23:47] | Juski: | .. or what? |
| [19:24:00] | fir3st0rm: | fading |
| [19:24:05] | Juski: | I don't run SVN head.. likely to in the near future though |
| [19:24:19] | Juski: | all that fuss about xfades between menu screens? is it even worth it? |
| [19:24:43] | fir3st0rm: | it's fast :) |
| [19:24:47] | Juski: | little steps, I guess |
| [19:24:58] | Juski: | wah! I want animation! |
| [19:25:01] | Juski: | wah! |
| [19:25:28] | Juski: | (that I'll get bored with & switch off eventually no doubt) |
| [19:26:11] | Juski: | fir3st0rm: I'd suspect the actual size of the PNG bitmaps I've got as graphics in the theme.. I checked when xris complained of the same issue but couldn't find any changes I'd missed out |
| [19:26:28] | Juski: | so er.. I'm stumped too |
| [19:27:38] | fir3st0rm: | hum.. :/ |
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| [19:29:23] | Juski: | if I had the first clue about what was up I'd have tried to fix it already |
| [19:31:08] | Juski: | fir3st0rm: do you get any errors in mythfrontend while using my theme? |
| [19:31:40] | fir3st0rm: | nope, but i should try --verbose |
| [19:32:25] | Juski: | nah it'd report stuff like missing theme elements or graphics |
| [19:32:43] | Juski: | that is, if you run it in a terminal window |
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| [19:34:06] | fir3st0rm: | nothing unusual :/ |
| [19:34:27] | fir3st0rm: | 2006-05–04 21:33:32.584 Using EXT NPOT texture extension |
| [19:34:50] | fir3st0rm: | when i alt+tab to another application, the menu reappears btw |
| [19:35:15] | Juski: | weird |
| [19:35:16] | fir3st0rm: | until i navigate up/down again :/ |
| [19:35:24] | fir3st0rm: | yep. |
| [19:35:32] | Juski: | wonder if its anything to do with the drawing order |
| [19:36:18] | Juski: | btw which version of my theme is it? |
| [19:36:22] | Juski: | wide or 4:3 ? |
| [19:36:28] | fir3st0rm: | 4:3 |
| [19:36:44] | Juski: | which menu elements vanish? |
| [19:36:53] | Juski: | text, buttons, text + buttons? |
| [19:37:15] | JasonX: | anyone know why xine works great with xxmc video driver for DVD but badly for divx (have to use xv = lot more cpu = less post filtering :( ) ? |
| [19:37:28] | fir3st0rm: | text + buttons |
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| [19:40:44] | Juski: | fir3st0rm: looking at another theme, I still can't figure out what's up.. the differences are pretty arbitrary |
| [19:41:50] | fir3st0rm: | weird :/ |
| [19:42:25] | Juski: | fir3st0rm: try the midnight theme or syth.. see how they go |
| [19:43:38] | fir3st0rm: | ok |
| [19:44:04] | Juski: | I'll try some experiments here |
| [19:46:06] | Juski: | fir3st0rm: do the watermarks still change when you use the arrow keys? |
| [19:46:46] | fir3st0rm: | the midnight theme works |
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| [19:47:48] | Juski: | just wondering something... |
| [19:48:44] | Juski: | nope – the button graphics aren't wider than the button area... |
| [19:49:13] | fir3st0rm: | watermarks also disappear |
| [19:49:22] | Juski: | they disappear too? |
| [19:49:25] | fir3st0rm: | yep |
| [19:49:41] | Juski: | I'm starting to think that my theme is just highlighting a bug |
| [19:49:49] | fir3st0rm: | only the arrow is still visible |
| [19:50:28] | Juski: | only problem is that if mine is the only theme which shows the bug, it's unlikely to ever get fixed IMHO |
| [19:50:54] | Juski: | if you turn the opengl stuff off, it'll work fine I bet |
| [19:51:05] | fir3st0rm: | ok it's only the arrow that points to the bottom of the screen |
| [19:51:06] | Juski: | I've not had any reports other than people using the opengl stuff |
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| [19:51:26] | fir3st0rm: | the "up arrow" also disappears |
| [19:51:39] | Juski: | AFAICT no graphic areas overlap or do anything naughty |
| [19:52:02] | Juski: | apart from sizes & positions of stuff (and filenames) my menu.xml is the same as everyone elses |
| [19:52:14] | fir3st0rm: | without opengl it works, yep |
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| [19:54:56] | Juski: | asking in the dev channel for a hand with this |
| [19:55:32] | nilla: | i am trying to install knoppmyth and after the auto install i reboot and all i get is a blinking cursor. Anyone know what is up? |
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| [19:56:31] | ** Juski looks for an IEC mains lead ** | |
| [19:59:30] | Juski: | firing up the umbono box now... |
| [20:01:20] | fir3st0rm: | i'll try all other themes, maybe i can reproduce it |
| [20:01:52] | fir3st0rm: | hey |
| [20:02:07] | fir3st0rm: | syth-.. theme shows a similiar behaviour |
| [20:02:26] | Juski: | phew |
| [20:02:27] | Juski: | ! |
| [20:02:49] | Juski: | damn ubuntu box won't boot with the new vga card in it :-/ |
| [20:03:23] | Juski: | let me get this straight.. GF2 cards... possibly AGP 2X.. and a GF4 MX will be 4X... and you cant interchange 2X & 4X can you? |
| [20:03:53] | hashbang: | Juski: 4x cards are 1.5v IIRC |
| [20:04:11] | Juski: | erm.. so does that mean I've blowed it up? |
| [20:04:33] | hashbang: | as long as you didn't force anything into anything, everything /should/ still be OK |
| [20:04:38] | hashbang: | but... PeeCee hardware... |
| [20:04:42] | Juski: | saying that, it'd be pretty damn stupid to allow that kinda thing to happen |
| [20:04:52] | hashbang: | see above. :-/ |
| [20:04:56] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [20:04:56] | fir3st0rm: | man that's really weird... when i navigate to the three upper menu items everything expecting the 2 last menu items disappear |
| [20:05:09] | Juski: | I'll test it in my other box tomorrow or something |
| [20:05:13] | hashbang: | Juski: check your mobo manual for what agp specs it supports |
| [20:05:20] | Juski: | so... my ubuntu box passwords... hmmm |
| [20:05:41] | laga: | ok. let me get this straight. mythtv's default theme is now G.A.N.T.? because on my setup, i try to setup a new frontend (over network). theme ggets automagically set to GANt and it bombs out because it can't find said theme |
| [20:07:46] | Juski: | oh dear |
| [20:10:27] | Juski: | here we go.. long time since I've done svn co http blah foo |
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| [20:11:36] | Juski: | fuck.. just realised if I wanna use that new gfz card I'm gonna need some new ram so I can test the motherboard (with 4x agp) that I repaired ages ago... pfft |
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| [20:12:26] | krope32: | Hey my card is only getting static, any one have any ideas why this might be happenning? |
| [20:12:50] | Juski: | what card? |
| [20:13:58] | Juski: | oo btw laga.. pm |
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| [20:14:16] | laga: | Juski: okies |
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| [20:14:27] | ** gardengnome gets all smurfy again ** | |
| [20:17:00] | kormoc: | For anyone in the us (perhaps canada as well) who want some free candy bars, http://mailer.bzzagent.com/966/rd.php?r=23668&l=5283 |
| [20:18:07] | mchou: | kormoc: gah! Take 5 candy bar sux imho |
| [20:18:28] | krope32: | Juski, I am using a pvr-150 |
| [20:18:37] | mchou: | only redeeming feature is the pretzel |
| [20:18:58] | Juski: | oh.. that motherboard DOES do AGP 4X, but you have to enable it in the BIOS. FFS!!!! |
| [20:18:59] | mchou: | everything else sucks big time. |
| [20:19:23] | Juski: | er.. like how do you set it to 4x in the BIOS if you can't fucking see the screen?!?!?! |
| [20:19:32] | mchou: | Juski: hehe |
| [20:19:43] | Juski: | keyboard error. press F1 to continue |
| [20:20:02] | Juski: | crazy arse Abit |
| [20:20:03] | mchou: | Juski: just like init display first : [PCI/PCI-E] |
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| [20:20:38] | Juski: | lol |
| [20:21:07] | Juski: | I'll just get this svn compiled then I'll try the new agp card again |
| [20:22:03] | hashbang: | Juski: PC hardware's great, isn't it? |
| [20:22:12] | Juski: | aye |
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| [20:22:28] | mchou: | hashbang: at least in PC land we get a choice |
| [20:22:38] | Juski: | see, fir3st0rm – see what you made me do? damn caring about 'customers'.. it'll land me in bother one of these days ;-) |
| [20:22:46] | mchou: | hashbang: as opposed to prepackaged macs |
| [20:22:49] | hashbang: | mchou: yeah, don't get me wrong, it's marginally better than no choice |
| [20:22:59] | hashbang: | mchou: I used to use Amigas |
| [20:23:23] | fir3st0rm: | Juski: sry :/ & tnx :) |
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| [20:23:46] | hashbang: | mchou: I just wish the market moved a bit more slowly so stuff actually got proper QA before being released |
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| [20:24:17] | hashbang: | mchou: e.g. I think it's a tragedy that it's now commonplace for devices to have user-upgradeable firmware. that indicates something's badly wrong, IMHO. |
| [20:24:48] | Juski: | bah... I didn't have the xvmc libs installed |
| [20:25:09] | hashbang: | mchou: and, to be honest, the same problems apply with every other contemporary arch, as they're mostly just PCs with funny CPUs. |
| [20:25:55] | mchou: | m'fscking PSU |
| [20:26:14] | mchou: | I feel like I'm dealing with HW failures every day |
| [20:26:34] | hashbang: | oh, and poor build quality too. |
| [20:26:46] | mchou: | a few days ago the monitor, no the molex connectors going bad on PSU |
| [20:26:54] | hashbang: | it's seems nigh-on impossible to get truly well-built stuff, regardless of how much money you spend. |
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| [20:27:13] | Juski: | friend of mine at work just got a Dell pentium D 2.8Ghz box with 1GB RAM, 19" TFT for £400 |
| [20:27:23] | Juski: | I wish they just sold the boxen |
| [20:27:33] | hashbang: | and even if you do find good kit, you may find that in a month's time, it's been cost-engineered down to shit. |
| [20:27:44] | mchou: | now I got to head to frys to but come molex terminals. PITA |
| [20:27:59] | mchou: | s/but/buy |
| [20:28:02] | Juski: | mchou: I've been crimping them bastards all day |
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| [20:28:22] | hashbang: | molex-- # hateful things |
| [20:28:27] | mchou: | Juski: at least you HAVE the crimper |
| [20:28:37] | Juski: | I don't have the removal tool yet though |
| [20:28:38] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [20:28:58] | Juski: | seen the price of em? the crimp tools I mean? scandal! |
| [20:29:34] | mchou: | they want $500 for the damn crimper |
| [20:29:56] | Juski: | only £130 at rswww.com |
| [20:30:08] | Juski: | radiospares ;-) |
| [20:30:17] | Juski: | even so... |
| [20:30:25] | mchou: | oh, I take that back. $279 |
| [20:30:44] | mchou: | still HWY robbery |
| [20:31:11] | mchou: | for $279 I can buy about 6 new PSUs :) |
| [20:31:40] | mchou: | even the removal tool is a rip off |
| [20:31:45] | Juski: | still, if work is paying... ;-) |
| [20:33:46] | mchou: | I can MACHINE a removal tool myself for less |
| [20:34:00] | mchou: | m'fsckers |
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| [20:47:24] | laga: | anyone know a good bittorrent tracker for open source software? i'd like to distribute something via BT. |
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| [20:56:42] | Juski: | who does knoppmyth use? |
| [20:58:37] | laga: | mythic.tv i think |
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| [21:06:44] | Juski: | shit! my bongo box just falled over |
| [21:07:20] | ** Juski gives up compiling SVN just for now ** | |
| [21:08:29] | kormoc: | well, it might be a good idea to not smack the harddrives as if they were bongo drums while compiling. |
| [21:10:53] | Juski: | damn my agp port is configged for 4x already :-/ |
| [21:12:19] | Juski: | time to reboot & try this card in another machine |
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| [21:31:54] | Juski: | bastard rip-off merchant on ebay! |
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| [21:32:23] | Juski: | power up a system with this card in & it goes Beeeeeeeep. :-/ |
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| [21:33:05] | Juski: | ah well – looks like I'll have to go buy a brand new fx5200 instead |
| [21:33:18] | dtm: | :[ |
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| [21:33:57] | Juski: | how the hell could somebody blow up a graphics card though? |
| [21:34:05] | kormoc: | over volting the agp port? |
| [21:34:16] | Igg-man: | Static? |
| [21:34:28] | Juski: | I'd go with kormoc's theory |
| [21:34:46] | Juski: | agp2x is 2.5v isn't it? |
| [21:34:57] | Juski: | and agp 4x/8x is 1.25 or something |
| [21:35:06] | Juski: | then why the fuck are they plug-compatible? |
| [21:36:10] | Juski: | oh. they're not |
| [21:36:12] | Juski: | oops! |
| [21:36:23] | Zider: | :P |
| [21:36:51] | Juski: | all the time I had a gf2 & I never knew it was 4x.. :-/ |
| [21:36:55] | Juski: | now I feel silly |
| [21:40:50] | ** Juski throws the 'new' mx card into the bin ** | |
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| [22:01:36] | veli: | Hi, any ideas on this one: http://piipiip.net/~veli/tmp/mythtv-setup.out |
| [22:01:47] | veli: | seems to switch DISPLAY by it self... |
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| [22:03:12] | veli: | ok, maybe I can fix that by having RANDR but to me that seems like a bug anyway... It should not switch DISPLAY or should it? |
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| [22:07:28] | MooingLemur: | is there a tool outside of myth to decode captions directly from video files? |
| [22:08:40] | kormoc: | veli, try ssh -Y root@10.1.1.2 |
| [22:09:01] | kormoc: | veli, ssh -Y allows trusted X forwarding which is required for myth style apps |
| [22:10:01] | kormoc: | veli, and yes, the display should switch, you are connecting to the running server on 10.1.1.2:0.0 from localhost:10.0, so that's perfectly fine |
| [22:10:34] | veli: | kormoc: -Y does not help |
| [22:11:15] | veli: | I don't have X on 10.1.1.2:0.0 |
| [22:11:33] | veli: | I have X on 10.1.1.4:0.0 which is forwarded to 10.1.1.2:10.0 with ssh.. |
| [22:12:54] | veli: | and I'm running myth on 10.1.1.2 |
| [22:13:00] | kormoc: | right |
| [22:13:15] | kormoc: | ooh, I see |
| [22:13:18] | veli: | so all X things should go to 10.1.1.2:10.0 like my DISPLAY says.. |
| [22:13:20] | kormoc: | try xhost + |
| [22:13:26] | kormoc: | on 10.1.1.4 |
| [22:13:42] | kormoc: | veli, no, that :0.0 is your local box's x server, 10.1.1.4:0.0 |
| [22:13:43] | veli: | That is not the problem.. |
| [22:13:57] | veli: | the problem is that it switches DISPLAY without asking me.. |
| [22:14:08] | kormoc: | ... |
| [22:14:53] | kormoc: | you are forwarding 10.1.1.2:10.0 to 10.1.1.4:0.0, the error message is that 10.1.1.4:0.o refused the connection |
| [22:15:13] | veli: | well it does not.. I can run xeys or what ever. |
| [22:15:49] | kormoc: | you can force it if you want, DISPLAY="locahost:10.0" mythtv-setup |
| [22:15:58] | kormoc: | all on one line, but the same thing will happen |
| [22:16:20] | veli: | uh.. DISPLAY is exported by ssh already.. |
| [22:16:28] | veli: | you can see it from my output.. |
| [22:16:32] | veli: | http://piipiip.net/~veli/tmp/mythtv-setup.out |
| [22:16:44] | kormoc: | sure, but you say it's resetting it somehow, so there is how you force it to connect. |
| [22:16:52] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [22:17:27] | kormoc: | I still say it's the x11 security extension controls, given xeyes doesn't require trusted x forwarding and myth does |
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| [22:17:42] | veli: | well the -Y did not help. |
| [22:17:43] | Zider: | hum.. how did you get the :10 display? I always get :0 default.. |
| [22:17:51] | veli: | ssh |
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| [22:18:11] | veli: | I don't have X on the machine where myth runs on.. |
| [22:18:15] | kormoc: | Zider, by default, ssh uses :10 to make sure to not step on any other X server toes, you can change it in your x config. |
| [22:18:24] | Zider: | aha |
| [22:18:32] | pikhq: | Grr. . . |
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| [22:18:47] | pikhq: | MythTV is now causing consistent system crashes whenever I try to play a recording. |
| [22:19:04] | veli: | ah.. Hey it worked.. It just too 20mins or so.. X) |
| [22:19:19] | veli: | And that bug seems to be with lirc etc.. |
| [22:19:26] | veli: | so it is not respecting DISPLAY |
| [22:19:29] | ** pikhq doesn't /have/ lirc ** | |
| [22:19:35] | pikhq: | Oh. Not talking to me. |
| [22:19:54] | kormoc: | veli, please elaberate |
| [22:20:00] | vasudeva: | i had a disk die on me. it was one of two disks in an LVM volume group containing two PVs. i'm trying to recover the second disk which is unharmed. if i create a new vg, can i extend it by adding the old vg on disk 2 to it? |
| [22:20:05] | kormoc: | *elaborate |
| [22:21:13] | pikhq: | On Gentoo AMD64, using an ~amd64 build of MythTV (so I can use 0.19). . . It used to work, but doesn't now. . . I don't have much information beyond "it worked, and it doesn't now," sorry. . . |
| [22:21:55] | kormoc: | vasudeva, sure, but you won't save any data that way |
| [22:22:12] | kormoc: | vasudeva, on inclusion into a new VG, the LV gets 'wiped' |
| [22:22:28] | vasudeva: | kormoc: no? i was sort of hoping the old PV would just be sitting there ready to plug into. crap. |
| [22:22:49] | vasudeva: | so if i've lost the first disk in the vg, and i have no backup of /etc/lvm, i am well and truly screwed? |
| [22:23:10] | kormoc: | yeah, pretty much... |
| [22:23:23] | vasudeva: | that sucks |
| [22:23:33] | kormoc: | you can rebuild the /etc/lvm stuff, but you're still gonna be missing a lot of needed lvm data |
| [22:23:44] | vasudeva: | where would that get me? |
| [22:24:48] | kormoc: | Well, if you do enough research, you might be able to recover the data by writing the needed LVM info blocks by hand, but it's a long, teadious, error prone method. |
| [22:26:45] | vasudeva: | not sure if it's worth it. the two disks held almost half a terabyte of video and my entire mp3 collection. i'd just feel pretty stupid wiping it if there were a reasonable way to recover it. |
| [22:28:04] | kormoc: | yeah, there's not really a reasonable way currently |
| [22:28:38] | vasudeva: | damn. i suppose backup gets hard when you get up in the multiple-hundred-gig area. |
| [22:29:01] | kormoc: | not at all, this is where raid comes into play :) |
| [22:30:08] | vasudeva: | and buying large disks by the half-dozen... |
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| [22:30:29] | kormoc: | hehe, yeah, it's costly, but can be worth it |
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| [22:31:34] | vasudeva: | wonder what happened to my old drive. upgraded myth to the latest rev, things seemed ok for a few days, though it would lock up after recording, i think. had to force reboot twice. then i came home after the weekend and found the machine off. the disk just makes a clicking sound on bootup seek, one click every second for about 8 seconds. |
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| [22:31:59] | vasudeva: | not sure the upgrade has anything to do with it. i wonder if the landlord came in and accidentally kicked the shit out of it. |
| [22:32:29] | SarahEmm: | doesn't sound like it |
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| [22:32:38] | SarahEmm: | software upgrades won't generally trash the hardware |
| [22:33:10] | vasudeva: | well, no, but if it locked up the box, so that i had to yank the plug, that could crash a head into the disk, right? |
| [22:33:17] | vasudeva: | i've just never had that cause this effect before |
| [22:33:18] | SarahEmm: | no.. |
| [22:33:20] | SarahEmm: | not in 2006 |
| [22:33:29] | SarahEmm: | disk heads have been self-parking since the 40MB disk days |
| [22:33:41] | SarahEmm: | voice coil drives auto-park |
| [22:33:47] | vasudeva: | guess i need to update my brain more often |
| [22:33:55] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [22:34:33] | vasudeva: | so it'd either have to be random catastrophic hardware failure, or physical impact, then, right? |
| [22:34:40] | SarahEmm: | yep |
| [22:34:44] | xris: | and even if not parked, you'd have to really smash the drive to get the heads to scratch the media surface |
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| [22:34:54] | SarahEmm: | it's more likely just a random hardware failure |
| [22:35:03] | SarahEmm: | you can hit a drive pretty hard these days with no effect |
| [22:35:55] | vasudeva: | you put any stock in the disk-in-the-freezer trick? |
| [22:36:11] | kormoc: | vasudeva, I have recovered data that way, depending on the issue |
| [22:36:25] | SarahEmm: | i have too |
| [22:36:27] | vasudeva: | i've had a couple people recommend it to me, and a friend swear it worked for him, though i can't see how it would help me copy ~200gb of data. it'd thaw quick, i bet. |
| [22:36:28] | SarahEmm: | i put stock in it |
| [22:36:30] | kormoc: | vasudeva, just bag the drive and suck out as much air as you can before freezing |
| [22:36:42] | SarahEmm: | vasudeva: do you need everything in that 200GB? |
| [22:36:50] | SarahEmm: | i've used it toget a couple really important files off a drive |
| [22:36:54] | SarahEmm: | not usually copying the entire drive |
| [22:36:57] | kormoc: | vasudeva, dd has a offset command, so you can dd what you can, refreeze and continue where you left off |
| [22:37:25] | vasudeva: | technically, i suppose if i could get /etc/lvm off it... could i use that to restore the LV on disk 2? |
| [22:37:28] | mchou: | vasudeva: all you need is for it to start, which freeze will accomplish |
| [22:37:30] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, it's a LVM disk, to recover the other half of the LVM, he needs most of the drive (to get all the LVM files scattered around) |
| [22:37:50] | mchou: | vasudeva: once started, dont stop :) |
| [22:38:02] | vasudeva: | hmmmm |
| [22:38:15] | vasudeva: | how long do i freeze it for? |
| [22:38:40] | mchou: | I'd say 4–6 hrs ought to be good enough |
| [22:39:07] | kormoc: | I usually do 30 min to a hour per shot |
| [22:39:17] | mchou: | freeze in electrostatic bag if possible |
| [22:39:40] | vasudeva: | so put it in an electrostatic bag, suck out the air, freeze for a couple hours, hook it back up, boot like normal? |
| [22:40:01] | mchou: | vasudeva: yeah, and have backup drive ready to go :) |
| [22:40:01] | vasudeva: | or will i probably not be able to boot from it? |
| [22:40:26] | vasudeva: | why does this work, anyway? |
| [22:40:28] | mchou: | vasudeva: booting shouldnt be a big deal |
| [22:40:43] | ** SarahEmm doesn't boot off it when doing that, but it's up to you :) ** | |
| [22:40:57] | SarahEmm: | ooh lvm. |
| [22:40:58] | SarahEmm: | hrm. |
| [22:41:02] | vasudeva: | yeah |
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| [22:41:12] | vasudeva: | which i'm not terribly familiar with |
| [22:41:44] | mchou: | SarahEmm: what's lvm got to do with booting? |
| [22:42:13] | mchou: | SarahEmm: any recovery CD worth it's salt can scan/mount lvm volumes |
| [22:42:37] | kormoc: | vasudeva, Basically, a common issue is the drive's bearings overheat and expand and lock solid. By freezing it, the metal contracts, allowing the platters to spin freely again. This only helps in certain hardware failures. |
| [22:42:46] | vasudeva: | well, if i can boot up with it, and this will mount the disks, and let me copy from disk2 until i shut back down, i suppose i could be ok |
| [22:42:58] | SarahEmm: | mchou: i didn't say it did :) |
| [22:44:58] | mchou: | vasudeva: http://www.gusperez.com/archives/2005/01/hard_drive_dead.php |
| [22:45:39] | mchou: | vasudeva: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1028112728 |
| [22:45:50] | mchou: | 2nd one is a joke :) |
| [22:47:06] | vasudeva: | heh |
| [22:47:33] | vasudeva: | you know, it occurred to me to take the platters out of the disk case and put them in a new one. is this the kind of thing i'd need a bunnysuit and a cleanroom for? |
| [22:47:53] | SarahEmm: | yes. |
| [22:48:05] | SarahEmm: | <random> yay for bunnies! </random> |
| [22:48:11] | mchou: | vasudeva: forget about that silly idea |
| [22:48:14] | Zider: | no, just use a steel brush on'em ;) |
| [22:48:35] | mchou: | open drive, no recovery |
| [22:48:37] | vasudeva: | ok, ok, just a desperate mechanical notion |
| [22:48:43] | kormoc: | vasudeva, it's recommended that you do not do that without said cleanroom, but lots of people (including myself) have done it in our homes without any (major) issues. |
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| [22:50:17] | vasudeva: | so... anyone see a good deal on a nice large drive lately? |
| [22:51:00] | Zider: | 300–320GB seems to be the most bang per buck around here |
| [22:51:40] | vasudeva: | i'm tempted to just get a whole new box, especially since this old one is a 400mhz with no sata, but i'm not sure i can justify the expenditure |
| [22:51:57] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:52:09] | kormoc: | vasudeva, Western Digital 320 gb sata drives on newegg tend to be around $110 or so, I have 3 of them myself |
| [22:52:13] | mchou: | a nice hdd only sets you bach $70 AR |
| [22:52:20] | mchou: | back* |
| [22:52:37] | mchou: | a new comp sets you back $300 minimum |
| [22:52:41] | vasudeva: | yeah |
| [22:53:14] | mchou: | vasudeva: actually you could get a geode NX for cheap |
| [22:53:36] | mchou: | vasudeva: I've actually been thinking about that one myself |
| [22:53:58] | mchou: | beats EPIA any day of week |
| [22:54:00] | vasudeva: | huh |
| [22:54:08] | vasudeva: | haven't even heard of it, checking... |
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| [22:55:12] | johnsu01: | I've got video, but no audio, on either the backend or the frontend. I'm (trying) to use alsa, and the tv tuner is a usb plextor box. |
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| [22:55:30] | vasudeva: | what's the most common way to avoid a disk outage, like i just had? some form of raid, i'd imagine? |
| [22:55:36] | johnsu01: | there aren't any audio error messages at startup, but after a while some audio buffer overflow errors pop up |
| [22:56:04] | mchou: | vasudeva: http://www.outpost.com/product/4714029?site=s . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| [22:56:26] | mchou: | vasudeva: I see above for sale all the time for ~$170 |
| [22:56:42] | kormoc: | vasudeva, raid 1 and raid 5 are the most common, raid 1 is pure mirroring, so 2x 320s would give you 320 gigs of space, and you can lose one drive no problemo |
| [22:57:11] | kormoc: | vasudeva, raid 5 is more complicated, sat you have 4x 100 gig drives in a raid 5, you get 300 gigs of space and you can lose any single one of the drives without any data loss |
| [22:57:31] | ** SarahEmm is running RAID5 here, works great. have had 2 failures so far, no data loss ** | |
| [22:57:48] | vasudeva: | any decent cheap raid cards? this box is far too old and cheap for onboard, i'm sure. |
| [22:58:04] | ** SarahEmm uses softraid ** | |
| [22:58:14] | SarahEmm: | most onboards won't do RAID5 anyway. |
| [22:58:16] | Zider: | decent and cheap does not come together in the world of raid ;) |
| [22:58:23] | mchou: | best way to avoide drive failure at all is to ensure good cooling for drives |
| [22:58:43] | vasudeva: | shit, that's a good point. if i had four drives in this box, they'd probably run nice and hot. |
| [22:58:48] | mchou: | best way to avoid data loss is RAID :) |
| [22:58:51] | pikhq: | Cheap? Only way to do cheap RAID is software RAID. Not necesarily /good/, but it's cheap. |
| [22:59:20] | vasudeva: | which means it has to be in your BIOS, right? |
| [22:59:33] | vasudeva: | or OS, i suppose |
| [22:59:42] | mchou: | and even raid doesnt guard agains corruption |
| [22:59:50] | mchou: | against* |
| [23:00:12] | mchou: | so even if you impement RAID, you still need a good backup stategy |
| [23:00:16] | SarahEmm: | vasudeva: software raid is purely in software. there are differing opinions on it tho |
| [23:00:19] | mchou: | implement* |
| [23:00:21] | kormoc: | linux has software raid |
| [23:00:34] | pikhq: | As does Mac OS (IIRC) |
| [23:00:47] | vasudeva: | SarahEmm: yeah, i've heard bad opinions of it, though nothing substantial yet |
| [23:00:55] | ** SarahEmm has good opinions :) ** | |
| [23:01:19] | vasudeva: | might be better to skip the over-engineering and just back up the really good stuff to dvd |
| [23:01:33] | mchou: | vasudeva: screw that |
| [23:01:45] | johnsu01: | RAID is not good for backup, just for protection against failure |
| [23:01:47] | mchou: | DVDs are more expensive than HDDs |
| [23:03:36] | vasudeva: | yeah but they don't generate heat, need case space, require mirroring, or take down all the other DVDs when they burn out |
| [23:03:47] | johnsu01: | lsof /dev/dsp shows a bunch of mythtv lines.. |
| [23:03:51] | mchou: | vasudeva: bs |
| [23:04:06] | mchou: | vasudeva: optical media do not last forever |
| [23:04:14] | vasudeva: | i know |
| [23:04:33] | Zider: | far from it |
| [23:04:34] | vasudeva: | i've heard like 7–10 years for homeburnt CDs, not sure of what DVDs can last for |
| [23:04:40] | mchou: | vasudeva: in fact optical media is pretty much guaranteed to silently fail |
| [23:04:41] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01: okay..... so? |
| [23:04:49] | Zider: | 10 years? you should be so lucky |
| [23:04:56] | SarahEmm: | i've had some homeburnt CDs go in well under 7 |
| [23:05:15] | johnsu01: | SarahEmm: Which comment are you referring to? :) |
| [23:05:31] | Zider: | I have burned cd's/dvd's getting unreadable after just a couple of months |
| [23:05:36] | Zider: | low qual discs tho |
| [23:05:40] | Zider: | but still :P |
| [23:05:56] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01: lsof /dev/dsp showing myth lines... i think i must have missed something.. |
| [23:06:14] | johnsu01: | SarahEmm: Oh, sorry. I'm trying to get audio working. Only a picture atm. |
| [23:07:16] | SarahEmm: | ahhh |
| [23:07:18] | SarahEmm: | what card? |
| [23:07:34] | johnsu01: | SarahEmm: an external usb box, plextor. |
| [23:08:30] | SarahEmm: | ooh |
| [23:08:32] | SarahEmm: | noooo idea then heh |
| [23:08:37] | SarahEmm: | i've only used PVR-xxx and bttv |
| [23:08:42] | SarahEmm: | and sound is not my strongpoint |
| [23:08:54] | mchou: | johnsu01: how good does plextor encode divx? |
| [23:09:09] | johnsu01: | mchou: Can't really pass a judgment yet, still just getting things set up here. |
| [23:09:16] | johnsu01: | only got video working last night. |
| [23:09:22] | mchou: | johnsu01: hehe |
| [23:09:33] | johnsu01: | seinfeld is funny, even without the sound :) |
| [23:10:04] | mchou: | johnsu01: audio should be simple on plextor |
| [23:10:22] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01: captions work on that device (prolly not but figured i'd ask) if so, you don't need sound :) |
| [23:10:32] | johnsu01: | mchou: well, the problem is that it wants alsa, and I was using oss before on that box. So I've probably botched something in the transition. |
| [23:10:41] | mchou: | johnsu01: just hook up the audio cable :) |
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| [23:11:05] | mchou: | johnsu01: what wants alsa? |
| [23:11:25] | johnsu01: | mchou: the go7007 drivers require alsa |
| [23:11:55] | johnsu01: | there's no audio out |
| [23:11:55] | mchou: | johnsu01: so? why would that be a problem? |
| [23:12:27] | johnsu01: | mchou: because I was using oss on that box before, so I switched to alsa at the same time I compiled the go7007 drivers. So I probably need to do something else to enable alsa. |
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| [23:12:55] | johnsu01: | Anyway, if I knew why it was a problem, it wouldn't be a problem, because I'd fix it :) |
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| [23:13:31] | mchou: | johnsu01: well, you arent telling us much except to say "sound doesnt work" |
| [23:13:43] | SarahEmm: | does sound work outside of myth? |
| [23:13:47] | SarahEmm: | get that working first, then tickle myth |
| [23:13:48] | SarahEmm: | tackle |
| [23:13:54] | johnsu01: | SarahEmm: Sound works outside of myth. |
| [23:13:59] | johnsu01: | on both the frontend and the backend. |
| [23:14:10] | johnsu01: | things like mplayer, ogg321, work fine. |
| [23:14:27] | johnsu01: | permissions on the devices look correct. user mythtv is in the audio group. |
| [23:14:27] | mchou: | johnsu01: no, that's not what we mean |
| [23:14:49] | fergu2: | make sure the sound device is set right in the configuration for myth? |
| [23:15:17] | johnsu01: | fergu2: it's configured as /dev/dsp on the backend, and /dev/sound/dsp on the front end. |
| [23:15:28] | johnsu01: | fergu2: lsof on both boxes shows mythtv accessing those devices. |
| [23:15:30] | mchou: | johnsu01: does gorecorder record sound outside of myth (and playback using xine/mplayer/etc |
| [23:15:40] | Agrajag-: | johnsu01: so set it to use alsa instead |
| [23:15:54] | johnsu01: | Agrajag-: The only options I get are for /dev/dsp |
| [23:16:02] | mchou: | johnsu01: lol |
| [23:16:09] | mchou: | johnsu01: time for RTFM |
| [23:16:25] | fergu2: | I think mine is set for alsa |
| [23:16:28] | mchou: | johnsu01: Hint: ALSA:default |
| [23:16:30] | fergu2: | using /dev/dsp |
| [23:16:39] | fergu2: | did you check the mixer, pcm /master settings? |
| [23:17:15] | johnsu01: | Nothing which says ALSA is available as an option when I run mythtv-setup. I have seen it as an option when I set up my friend's mythtv box, but it doesn't show here. |
| [23:17:36] | johnsu01: | fergu2: /dev/mixer and pcm are what's selected, and that should be right. |
| [23:17:38] | mchou: | johnsu01: mythfrontend logs will probably tell you why sound aint working :) |
| [23:17:52] | mchou: | johnsu01: that's cause you didnt RTFM |
| [23:17:53] | johnsu01: | mchou: there are no errors at startup about audio when I do -v audio. |
| [23:18:30] | johnsu01: | after a while there are Audio buffer overflow errors. |
| [23:18:31] | mchou: | johnsu01: look up the myth docs on Alsa set up. |
| [23:18:40] | mchou: | it aint rocket science |
| [23:18:42] | SarahEmm: | johnnyss: err. you don't want /dev/dsp |
| [23:18:45] | SarahEmm: | read the docs |
| [23:18:48] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01 even |
| [23:20:20] | fergu2: | anyone using an all-in-wonder card? |
| [23:20:35] | mchou: | fergu2: hell no |
| [23:20:49] | fergu2: | I have a pvr-150 but I got a free all-in-wonder |
| [23:20:58] | fergu2: | s-video on my card is fuct so I want to try this one |
| [23:21:12] | mchou: | fergu2: there is a reason why you got it "free" |
| [23:21:55] | johnsu01: | The Audio setup won't _let_ me edit the device to say ALSA. The only options available are /dev/ options. |
| [23:22:23] | mchou: | johnsu01: man, then RTFM again |
| [23:22:44] | mchou: | johnsu01: hint: "compiled in" |
| [23:23:12] | fergu2: | mchou: I got it for free because somebody had a computer which doesnt work |
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| [23:23:20] | mchou: | johnsu01: stop pestering us on crap that's covered in the docs |
| [23:23:40] | SarahEmm: | AIWs don't work so well with myth |
| [23:23:41] | mchou: | fergu2: that's what you think :) |
| [23:23:58] | fergu2: | are you a fucking psychic now? |
| [23:24:11] | johnsu01: | mchou: I'm using the debian packages, which should work with alsa. |
| [23:24:29] | mchou: | johnsu01: the RTFM and verify that's indeed the case |
| [23:24:42] | mchou: | johnsu01: instead of guessing |
| [23:25:14] | johnsu01: | I'm not guessing. What makes you think I am? |
| [23:25:34] | mchou: | [16:24:11] <johnsu01> mchou: I'm using the debian packages, which should work with alsa. |
| [23:25:49] | mchou: | operative word: "SHOULD" |
| [23:26:05] | fergu2: | debian mythtv packages? |
| [23:26:10] | vasudeva: | is fedora still the most common distro for mythtv? |
| [23:26:14] | mchou: | johnsu01: which means you dont know and are guessing |
| [23:26:19] | vasudeva: | if i have to rebuild this thing, i think i want to use debian instead |
| [23:26:39] | fergu2: | better to build a new mythtv than use debians old packages |
| [23:26:42] | johnsu01: | mchou: No, it means they should work, because alsa _is_ compiled in. The fact that they are not working means something else must be wrong. |
| [23:27:04] | mchou: | johnsu01: how did you VERIFY als was compiled in? |
| [23:27:09] | mchou: | alsa* |
| [23:29:09] | ** mchou hears crickets ** | |
| [23:29:23] | ** SarahEmm hoots kitrichly ** | |
| [23:29:38] | ** fergu2 mooooos ** | |
| [23:30:15] | johnsu01: | Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.19–0.6sarge1), libartsc0 (>= 1.3.2), libasound2 (>> 1.0.8)... |
| [23:30:18] | vasudeva: | so we're all fedora folk then? |
| [23:30:22] | johnsu01: | see libasound2? |
| [23:30:40] | Zider: | I'm not |
| [23:31:11] | vasudeva: | what do you use? |
| [23:31:22] | SarahEmm: | wait. |
| [23:31:26] | mchou: | johnsu01: depends doesnt mean it's compiled in |
| [23:31:31] | Zider: | gentoo here |
| [23:31:34] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01: are you 100% SURE you can't just type it in? |
| [23:31:40] | SarahEmm: | ALSA:default wasn't in the dropdown last i looked |
| [23:31:42] | SarahEmm: | you just type it in |
| [23:31:51] | fergu2: | can you run speaker test? make sure alsa-utils is installed |
| [23:32:03] | johnsu01: | mchou: oh ffs. It would not depend on the Debian ALSA Library if it did not use ALSA. |
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| [23:32:42] | mchou: | johnsu01: bullshit. That implies you have to option of compiling w/alsa |
| [23:32:44] | johnsu01: | fergu2: other sound applications work fine, and I control the levels with alsamixer. |
| [23:32:46] | SarahEmm: | johnsu01: check what i said.... |
| [23:33:07] | johnsu01: | mchou: It's a binary package. Have you ever used Debian? |
| [23:33:10] | mchou: | johnsu01: it doesnt necessarily mean alsa was compiled in |
| [23:33:26] | johnsu01: | mchou: The binary packages don't have dependencies that are only options for building the source a different way. |
| [23:33:27] | fergu2: | what capture card are you using? |
| [23:33:33] | ** SarahEmm waves ** | |
| [23:33:35] | SarahEmm: | hi! :P |
| [23:33:37] | vasudeva: | that's it, i'm making a voodoo doll, and i'm going to stab it in the head |
| [23:33:37] | mchou: | johnsu01: sure. In fact I'm on kubuntu now, a debian derivative |
| [23:34:17] | fergu2: | johnsu01: have you tried mplayer to make sure you are getting audio on your video feed? |
| [23:34:24] | mchou: | johnsu01: and go back and RTFM and to find how how to VERIFY what options myth has been compiled with. |
| [23:34:44] | johnsu01: | mchou: no thanks, that's a waste of my time. I'll look at the docs more, but this has nothing to do with compile options. |
| [23:34:45] | mchou: | johnsu01: it's not rocket science |
| [23:34:51] | ** SarahEmm gives up ** | |
| [23:34:57] | johnsu01: | SarahEmm: I'm trying your suggestion too :) |
| [23:35:01] | SarahEmm: | alright |
| [23:35:07] | johnsu01: | fergu2: mplayer doesn't play the feed from this box. |
| [23:35:13] | SarahEmm: | the docs do say 'it's not listed in the dropdown, you have to type it in' |
| [23:35:22] | johnsu01: | fergu2: the convertx only works with a few applications, mythtv being one of them. |
| [23:35:46] | fergu2: | jonhsu01: and the other applications which it does work with produce sound? |
| [23:37:39] | ** fergu2 loves mythtv ** | |
| [23:38:04] | fergu2: | does anyone else have problems with bad TV schedules? Most is correct, but a few shows are wrong...? |
| [23:38:32] | ** johnsu01 thinks SarahEmm might be right.. ** | |
| [23:38:37] | ** SarahEmm gets the odd one here and there, yes fergu2 ** | |
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| [23:39:23] | ** SarahEmm nods ** | |
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| [23:39:30] | SarahEmm: | google is your friend |
| [23:39:43] | fergu2: | google hates me |
| [23:40:01] | fergu2: | google stole my candy and kicked my dog |
| [23:40:49] | mchou: | fergu2: did google oogle your significant other too? :) |
| [23:41:02] | fergu2: | yes google indexed my GF |
| [23:41:21] | mchou: | fergu2: linky pls :) |
| [23:42:08] | ** SarahEmm checks hers ** | |
| [23:42:25] | SarahEmm: | yep, the gf of mine with a site is indexed. |
| [23:43:21] | Zider: | mine isn't |
| [23:43:45] | fergu2: | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_ . . . word2=google |
| [23:43:48] | fergu2: | see |
| [23:43:50] | fergu2: | just evil |
| [23:43:55] | Zider: | could be that she don't have a web page tho ;) |
| [23:44:14] | johnsu01: | (while I work on the audio), do any of you use the netflix plugin? I haven't been able to set the login cookie correctly, the script returns a 501 error. |
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| [23:46:32] | fergu2: | speaking of which, is it possible to disable the netflix plugin? I dont want to see it on my menu |
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| [23:47:12] | johnsu01: | heh |
| [23:47:14] | mchou: | shit, now they tell me. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5383619 |
| [23:47:43] | mchou: | just had to buy some $0.02 stamps today |
| [23:47:54] | fergu2: | mmmm yeah |
| [23:47:59] | fergu2: | hold your breath for that one |
| [23:48:12] | fergu2: | I am proposing to give you $1M |
| [23:48:15] | fergu2: | quit your job now |
| [23:48:24] | mchou: | fergu2: dont be stupid |
| [23:48:39] | fergu2: | mchou: never buy a stamp again |
| [23:49:16] | SarahEmm: | fergu2: uninstall it? |
| [23:49:43] | mchou: | fergu2: you pay $0.39 today, it's well worth over $0.39+epsilon in real dollars by the time the stamps increase in price |
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| [23:50:44] | johnsu01: | Well, some progress, getting messages like "WriteAudio: Preparing 6144 bytes (1536 frames)", but no actual sound.. |
| [23:52:05] | fergu2: | SarahEmm: Whats the best way to uninstall? Just move netflix_menu.xml to something else? |
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| [23:52:53] | SarahEmm: | hmm |
| [23:52:56] | SarahEmm: | i'm actually not sure :) |
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