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Wednesday, May 3rd, 2006, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:08] JloR: grr. no go.. Still complains about missing tables.
[00:02:27] JloR: mythconverg.keybindings for example.
[00:02:36] JloR: mythconverg.settings ...etc
[00:02:55] JloR: shouldn't those be in the mc.sql file? All I see in that is creation of the mythtv user and the mythconverg db
[00:02:56] diamon: Well that's not very helpful... '1033 @ Tue May 2 20:00:00 2006 in use by recorder on hostname.' Is that all I get as info from a -v all for start of a recording?
[00:03:25] diamon: Jlor: Assume you got a bad version of mc.sql, get another copy and try that one.
[00:03:38] JloR: hmm , okay.
[00:08:08] diamon: Damn, no idea what this thing is doing. It does everything, it seems, except actually record the video to disk. Sadly, 'mythbackend -v all' hasn't enlightened me as to my problem.
[00:09:43] kormoc: diamon, have you tried the tv tuner outside of myth?
[00:10:16] diamon: Yep, works like a champ for a 'cat /dev/video0 > outfile.mpg'.
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[00:11:01] Mattwj2005: hey what do you guys like for remote controls for MythTV?
[00:11:06] diamon: It's a known-good physical system, upgraded from FC3/0.18 to FC4/0.19. Seemed fine until I found out it's not actually *writing* a damn thing to disk. I'd hoped it would be a simple permissions problem or something, but no joy so far.
[00:11:13] xris: Mattwj2005: wireless keyboard. heh
[00:11:20] diamon: Matt: I love my PVR-150's IR remote.
[00:11:34] xris: diamon: is that the microsoft mceusb2 remote?
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[00:11:47] Mattwj2005: I was looking at a ATI Remote Wonder iI .... RF ;)
[00:12:03] xris: Mattwj2005: it's unreliable in my experience.. duplicated keystrokes, etc.
[00:12:11] diamon: xris: Nah, I got a remote that came with my PVR-150, dunno who makes it originally, but it's a good size and fairly well laid out.
[00:12:12] Mattwj2005: hmmm
[00:12:25] xris: diamon: some of the 150's come with the microsoft remote
[00:12:42] xris: or so I heard
[00:12:56] diamon: Mine didn't. I bought an MCE to try (sucked back then, too) and dropped it in favor of my PVR one.
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[00:14:25] Mattwj2005: does the PVR-150 have any outputs?
[00:14:34] xris: Mattwj2005: no, and why would you want any?
[00:14:54] diamon: Nope. PVR-350 does mpeg2 decoding out though.
[00:15:05] JloR: aaah, I got it ... found the flaw.. Apparently mythtv-setup populates the mythconverg database. Clever.. Except, the command to populate the db here, fails.
[00:15:13] xris: 150 + good video card costs less than a 350, though
[00:15:14] JloR: So.. Yea.. I'm pretty much dead in the water.
[00:15:21] Mattwj2005: just because my output isn't going to be the highest quality....but I guess I could upgrade that later
[00:16:20] diamon: I use the s-video output of my Geforce4 FX 5200, myself.
[00:16:53] diamon: $60USD when I got it, and pretty decent. I might need a better card to do HD output over DVI, but only one way to see!
[00:17:38] Darth_Greig: does the thermaltake media lab display/remote work with mythtv? i've searched around and haven't found it listed one way or the other.
[00:18:13] Darth_Greig: i've looked at lirc, but i'm not sure that applies to it
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[00:18:42] diamon: Darth: If you can't find any info one way or the other, odds are it's not supported, but that's not always true.
[00:18:52] xris: Darth_Greig: you need lirc for just about everything dealing with remotes (the ati remote has a keyboard driver)
[00:19:38] Darth_Greig: okay thanks. in that case, is there a highly recommended remote (or two) to use with mythtv?
[00:19:56] Darth_Greig: i'm planning on purchasing a pchdtv-3000
[00:20:04] JloR: what version of mysqld are you guys using?
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[00:20:34] xris: JloR: 4.1 — whatever came with fc4
[00:20:40] JloR: hmm..
[00:20:41] kormoc: 5.1
[00:20:55] JloR: aparently mythtv-setup can't talk with my setup
[00:21:06] xris: JloR: which version?
[00:21:10] JloR: it wont allow for the tables to be created by the program
[00:21:13] JloR: 4.1.14
[00:21:30] xris: JloR: sounds more like a permissions problem
[00:21:33] JloR: yea
[00:21:34] Darth_Greig: JloR:: do you have something like phpmyadmin installed?
[00:21:35] xris: did you run the mc.sql file?
[00:21:41] JloR: Darth_Greig: nope.
[00:21:45] JloR: xris: yes
[00:21:47] Darth_Greig: you could temporarily open up the db access for the install
[00:21:59] JloR: Darth_Greig: I'd rather not install apache and stuff as well..
[00:22:11] JloR: If I could handle it from the console I'd be happy :)
[00:22:16] Darth_Greig: you can do user perms command line
[00:22:27] Darth_Greig: i couldn't give you the syntax off the top of my head, but google it
[00:22:39] JloR: hehe, yea.. That's what we have mysql.org for
[00:23:05] xris: JloR: you'll want apache for mythweb....
[00:23:20] JloR: I'm not sure I want mythweb.
[00:23:34] JloR: Projects of the moment includes: getting the tv tuner working
[00:23:34] xris: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';
[00:23:37] kormoc: JloR, SELECT * FROM user WHERE user = 'mythtv'G
[00:23:49] Darth_Greig: is there a highly recommended remote (or two) to use with mythtv?
[00:23:54] Mattwj2005: yeah I think a PVR-150 with remote is out of my price range
[00:24:03] xris: Darth_Greig: no
[00:24:12] xris: well, yes... logitech harmony 880
[00:24:15] Mattwj2005: besides I have a tv tuner anyways
[00:24:32] Darth_Greig: thx xris
[00:24:40] xris: Darth_Greig: you'll need to build your own receiver for it, though
[00:24:41] JloR: kormoc: that one gives me a "no database selected"
[00:24:52] kormoc: JloR, USE mysql; then that command;
[00:24:54] JloR: xris: that one I've done a few times.. I did it with my subnet though, instead of localhost
[00:24:54] xris: JloR: read what I tuped
[00:25:09] xris: if you're connecting from localhost, it needs to be localhost.
[00:25:11] JloR: kormoc: huh?
[00:25:13] xris: also try FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[00:25:19] JloR: xris: either localhost or my subnet, correct.
[00:25:26] JloR: I did that right after the grant all
[00:25:36] diamon: I think I have an extra '/' in my paths somehow... "/var/lib/mythtv//1033_20060502200000.mpg"? Why would it have extra slashes?
[00:25:59] xris: JloR: run mythtv-setup with "-v all" and get the specific error
[00:26:03] Mattwj2005: anyone have any expensive but good quality remotes for MythTV
[00:26:04] JloR: oki
[00:26:12] Mattwj2005: *inexpensive
[00:26:12] xris: diamon: it just happens... doesn't matter
[00:26:28] xris: Mattwj2005: define inexpensive
[00:26:31] Darth_Greig: so everyone here has just bought a remote/card combo? nobody has bought a single card and then purchased a remote to work with the box?
[00:26:32] Mattwj2005: it doesn't have to be a logitech harmony 880
[00:26:36] JloR: xris: exact error: "Invalid argument: -v"
[00:26:39] diamon: xris: Damn, I hoped I'd found something... If that's not my problem, I have *NO* idea why this damn thing isn't recording.
[00:26:39] Mattwj2005: under $50
[00:26:42] kormoc: JloR, mysql -u root -p, log in, then type "USE mysql;", then "SELECT * FROM user WHERE user = 'mythtv'G", that will show you the permissions for that user
[00:26:51] Mattwj2005: just the remote
[00:26:53] xris: JloR: hmm, thought all myth apps did the -v thing
[00:26:56] Darth_Greig: i was looking at the pchdtv-3000 over the hauppauge
[00:27:02] JloR: kormoc: oh, okay.. thanks
[00:27:13] xris: Mattwj2005: find a good universal remote, build yourself a receiver for it.... that's the general "best" option.
[00:27:27] xris: Darth_Greig: pchdtv does over the air hdtv. SUCKS for analog
[00:27:46] Darth_Greig: what's the best for analog the 350?
[00:28:08] JloR: hmm, kormoc that's the problem! I have two mythtv's in there, one for localhost and one for the subnet.. All good.. but neither have privileges for anything..
[00:28:48] xris: Darth_Greig: the 150
[00:29:10] kormoc: "DELETE FROM user WHERE login = 'mythtv';" "DROP DATABASE mythconverg;" and then reimport mc.sql
[00:29:12] xris: 350 is overpriced and only worthwhile if your machine can't handle decoding SD streams (meaning slower than a 500mhz p3)
[00:29:24] xris: kormoc: FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
[00:29:30] JloR: kormoc: I've done that several times by now.. the user doesn't have privileges
[00:29:44] Mattwj2005: xris have you ever build your own receiver?
[00:29:45] kormoc: xris, doesn't it flush on exit?
[00:29:50] xris: kormoc: no
[00:29:53] Mattwj2005: *remote receiver
[00:29:55] kormoc: ooh, wacky.
[00:29:55] xris: JloR: then there's something wacky with your network setup
[00:30:00] JloR: there must be a way to set the privs now.
[00:30:11] JloR: the users are made, they just need to update their privileges.
[00:30:16] xris: Mattwj2005: built a transmitter, not a receiver.. I just use a wireless keyboard for my setup. too lazy to configure a remote.
[00:30:17] kormoc: JloR, that grand statement xris gave you gave the privs...
[00:30:25] JloR: hmm, aparently not.
[00:30:31] JloR: Yea, something is fishy
[00:30:50] xris: JloR: connect from the commandline with the mythtv user.. get the exact error message
[00:31:07] Mattwj2005: oh okay...what is the transmitter for?
[00:31:22] JloR: sorry, I'm not following now xris .. Get the exact error message, when doing what?
[00:31:29] JloR: the grant statement – as the mythtv user ?
[00:31:35] xris: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[00:31:41] Mattwj2005: change channels on a cable box??? ;)
[00:31:48] xris: Mattwj2005: yeah. Dish, actually
[00:32:01] xris: no need for it now, though. digital cable + firewire rocks.
[00:32:09] Mattwj2005: dude....your a super geek (in an awesome way)!
[00:32:18] diamon: Ok, 'mythbackend -v all' didn't do anything for me to help me figure out why this thing isn't writing video files out. Anywhere else I can look, or anything else I can do here?
[00:32:40] JloR: xris: so far no errors.. I logged in with mythtv user, and entered mythconverg.. no errors
[00:33:44] xris: JloR: CREATE TABLE foo (a int);
[00:34:12] JloR: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[00:34:17] xris: DROP TABLE foo;
[00:34:24] xris: JloR: it should work just fine
[00:34:28] JloR: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[00:34:32] JloR: hmm
[00:34:33] xris: if that works, mythtv-setup should work
[00:34:43] xris: as long as you're running on the same host
[00:34:45] JloR: and yet it can't create those tables
[00:34:50] JloR: I am
[00:35:09] kormoc: what did you type in for the host/ip of the mysql server?
[00:35:13] JloR: let me just SSH in so I can paste the exact error to a pastebin
[00:35:16] xris: JloR: fyi, `mythtvsetup -v all` should work just fine
[00:35:18] JloR: kormoc: localhost
[00:35:31] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:35:37] xris: JloR: how are you not ssh'd in and still running those commands?
[00:35:42] JloR: xris: I don't have the "mythtvsetup" command, and it doesn't work with mythtv-setup
[00:35:51] JloR: xris: seperate box
[00:35:53] kormoc: what distro?
[00:35:56] JloR: gentoo
[00:35:57] xris: JloR: mythtv-setup --help
[00:36:05] kormoc: JloR, what version of myth?
[00:36:15] xris: kormoc: think maybe he compiled mysql and qt in the wrong order?
[00:36:24] JloR: latest stable on gentoo – 0.18.1-r1
[00:36:34] JloR: xris: qt first, mysql afterwards.
[00:36:40] xris: JloR: wrong order
[00:36:45] JloR: qt has mysql support. – recompiled afterwards
[00:36:50] xris: ok
[00:36:51] kormoc: -v isn't implimented in 0.18
[00:36:57] xris: kormoc: apparently not.
[00:37:01] xris: JloR: install .19
[00:37:05] xris: it'll make your life SOOO much easier
[00:37:07] kormoc: yeah, gentoo should toss a nice error if he compiled out of order
[00:37:13] JloR: gah..
[00:37:24] JloR: Okay..
[00:37:31] kormoc: JloR, just put mythtv in your keywords file
[00:37:35] JloR: The mighty voice user has spoken :) let me just add it to the keywords file.
[00:37:42] Mattwj2005: xris....do you have any problem with the transmitter not picking up a signal?
[00:38:07] kormoc: JloR, also add x11-themes/mythtv-themes to the keyword file
[00:38:16] xris: Mattwj2005: huh? you mean the tv receiver? Never had any issues with it that weren't related to the wire being out of alignment
[00:39:00] JloR: kormoc: I found out when I tried to emerge .P
[00:39:20] Mattwj2005: no with the transmitter....does the sat receiver ever not pick up the signal?
[00:39:31] JloR: xris and kormoc thanks a lot for the help. I'll let it compile overnight. It's 2:39 here, so.. I better catch some sleep before lectures tomorrow.
[00:40:08] xris: Mattwj2005: that's what I said
[00:40:30] xris: I don't have satellite anymore... digital cable with a firewire connection.... pure digital, no tuner card, etc.
[00:41:22] Mattwj2005: does Mythtv have that channel changing function built in or did you have to write a script?
[00:41:30] Mattwj2005: for digital cable...that is what I have
[00:42:24] xris: with firewire, it's built in for the motorola dtc6200 boxes
[00:42:35] xris: needs to be an HD box or you don't get firewire
[00:42:42] xris: worth the $5 upgrade, though
[00:42:54] Mattwj2005: does the cable company mind?
[00:43:11] xris: Mattwj2005: depends on which company.. generally, yes.. but they're required to do so by FCC law.
[00:43:27] Mattwj2005: sweet sweet
[00:43:29] xris: some are easier to deal with than others, and it's definitely a regional thing, even within the same provider (comcast in my case)
[00:43:50] Mattwj2005: yeah I have TimeWarner
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[00:45:08] Mattwj2005: so how did you do the channel changing thing with sat?
[00:45:17] WebUser9229: im trying to join channel 0 but everytime i type "/join 0" i get kicked off?
[00:45:19] Mattwj2005: was that a script you made?
[00:46:17] kormoc: WebUser9229, maybe because channel 0 is invalid?
[00:46:36] xris: built a serial IR transmitter, used lirc
[00:47:12] WebUser9229: but they told me to join channel 0
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[00:47:22] Mattwj2005: okay cool...well you gave me so cool ideas....I appreciate all your advice
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[00:47:27] Mattwj2005: time for bed!
[00:47:31] Mattwj2005: goodnight all
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[00:48:05] WebUser9229: that didnt work xris did you tried to put me in channel 0 for me
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[00:48:49] diamon: Ok, I broke down and made /var/log/mythtv (my TV recording-to dir) writable to all, gonna try that next. This is killing me, I'm missing my shows!
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[00:49:04] WebUser9229: i do not use the gam i use the mircee
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[00:49:09] diamon: I don't hold much hope of it working, but it's worth a try!
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[00:50:17] WebUser9229: okay thank you for your helps but i will find a ways to join
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[00:53:53] AngryElf: k, so i'm not trolling, i'm just dumb.....what does '/join 0' do....i'm guessing it's bad?
[00:54:00] kormoc: no, it does nothing
[00:54:10] kormoc: 0 is a invalid channel, so freenode won't let you join it
[00:54:17] xris: AngryElf: I was more upset about his comment in #mythtv
[00:54:29] AngryElf: ah okay
[00:54:36] AngryElf: i missed that then
[00:54:42] pigeon: /join 0 usually means parting all channels you've joinned.
[00:54:45] xris: swearing randomly, etc
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[00:55:26] pigeon: most irc servers support that.
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[00:55:54] xris: gaim is a lousy irc client, though
[00:56:26] diamon: Ok, about to try another recording test, let's see if new permissions help anything...
[00:57:40] xris: diamon: chmod 777  :)
[00:58:10] diamon: Did that, that's what I'm testing this time.
[00:58:37] diamon: And I changed the ownership to mythtv.users just FFS.
[01:05:40] diamon: Damn, no file still. What actually writes out the video?
[01:06:05] xris: mythbackend
[01:06:22] diamon: Craptastic.
[01:06:42] diamon: Ok, there's got to be something in this logfile, SOMEWHERE...
[01:10:04] xris: diamon: -v all *should* give you way more info than a log entry.
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[01:10:47] diamon: xris: There's tons, I just can't see anything like 'failed to write file /var/lib/mythtv/bleagh because the moon is half' or anything...
[01:11:48] kormoc: diamon, so grep though it for it arrempting to write at all
[01:11:52] diamon: Previewer file not valid, but the file's not present so I expected that... What's stopping it from making the first file is the question...
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[01:12:16] Servo888: grr what was that linking program again, that allows you to view all the nuv files as showname.nuv? mythlink... mythrelink?...
[01:12:31] kormoc: mythrename.pl?
[01:12:35] xris: diamon: schedule a manual recording 1 minute long...
[01:12:37] Servo888: yah rename!
[01:12:52] xris: then wait....
[01:12:57] xris: anyway, I'm headed home. later.
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[01:13:52] Servo888: also what provides mythrename.pl?
[01:14:02] diamon: xris: I just can't seem to find what I need from this mayhem. I'm sure SOMETHING is in here, but I'm searching a cupful of sand for a grain of salt...
[01:15:08] Servo888: It's not in contrib... strangly
[01:16:44] diamon: Arrgh.
[01:17:19] Gumby: does anyone know which is preferred for mythtv, reiserfs or ext3? (nt wanting to start a holy war here)
[01:17:51] diamon: I prefer ext3, some folks say JFS for its large-file handling.
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[01:23:03] Servo888: I'm a big ext3 fan... Though I've heard good things about JFS as well
[01:25:27] Gumby: I havnt had any issues with ext3, I am just about to install a 300GB drive and was wondering if there were any major advantages of one over the other.
[01:25:42] diamon: Hey now, this might be useful... "TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 33. Reverting to kState_None". Anyone know what kState_None is?
[01:26:00] diamon: And yet, oddly I can tune it normally from the command line. Huh.
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[01:29:33] Servo888: Anybody know if mythrename.pl was provided somewhere else besides the .18.1 contrib directory?
[01:31:43] Servo888: I feel the change... something moves,... I scream your name... darling I
[01:33:11] Servo888: well shit... It's not in .18 nor .18.1 contribs... where the hell am I suppose to find mythrename.pl?...
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[01:39:28] AngryElf: does anyone in here watch shows over b-wireless, or is it to slow to even bother?
[01:44:02] diamon: Serv: That may be a new trick in .19 maybe.
[01:44:32] diamon: Now why the hell do I have bttv drivers loaded? I use an ivtv-based card...
[01:46:18] Servo888: diamon, i'll give .19 a try.
[01:46:35] Servo888: there we go found it
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[01:49:00] diamon: Anyone with an ivtv-card that could check and see if they have the bttv driver loaded, too?
[01:49:27] diamon: I'm wondering if something's messing up what it's trying to look for, maybe that's it...
[01:51:33] diamon: Arrgh, ivtvctl works fine, everything looks good, test captures work fine, WTF? Killin' me here...
[01:51:42] xris: diamon: complete reinstall?
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[01:52:30] diamon: Maybe, but I'd hate to do that, it would be complicated, and wouldn't get me any closer to knowing *why* this is happening.
[01:52:52] diamon: Reformat and reinstall is the WIndows answer, I'll be good and try the non-formatting way for the moment.
[01:53:09] diamon: I mean, *SOMETHING* has to have the clue I need in here.
[01:54:07] Servo888: Anybody know what package you need for qmake
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[01:55:46] Servo888: ok nvm I think I found it
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[01:58:02] GeeKman: hello every one :)
[01:58:42] Servo888: Also what's the 'good' mythtv live cd? While I get my damn computer working I would like to be able to watch some tv
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[02:13:02] GeeKman_: hello again :) (stupid internet connection :/ )
[02:13:50] GeeKman_: any one here have experience setting up mythtv to use a winfast tv 2000 xp tuner card? i was unable to find info i needed from the links in the chanserv message :/
[02:15:59] Agrajag-: yeah i've got one of them GeeKman
[02:16:48] GeeKman_: how hard was it to get it going?
[02:17:12] Agrajag-: very easy
[02:17:18] GeeKman_: hmm
[02:17:28] GeeKman_: could be im just missing some thing
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[02:18:29] Agrajag-: well is the bttv module loaded and do you have a /dev/bttv0 device?
[02:18:51] Agrajag-: err
[02:18:53] Agrajag-: not that device
[02:19:17] GeeKman_: 34 right?
[02:19:37] Agrajag-: yeah bttv1: detected: Leadtek WinFast TV 2000 [card=34], PCI subsystem ID is 107d:6606
[02:20:17] GeeKman_: btw if it helps im using a knopmyth install (latest R5B7)
[02:21:06] GeeKman_: i do not see bttv in /dev
[02:21:20] GeeKman_: perhaps i need to install the bttv module?
[02:21:26] GeeKman_: or load it?
[02:30:37] Agrajag-: it needs to be loaded yeah
[02:30:46] Agrajag-: i mean /dev/video0 not bttv0
[02:31:13] Agrajag-: check if the module is loaded, and run dmesg | grep bttv
[02:32:19] Servo888: ah fuck... I'm renaming all my nuv files by hand... I can't handle ubuntu's bs any more...
[02:32:23] GeeKman_: running dmesg | grep bttv shows that it has auto detected the card
[02:33:36] GeeKman_: i read of those forums that the using tuner=5 should be 12
[02:36:28] Agrajag-: GeeKman_: mine is 5 and it works
[02:36:32] GeeKman_: ok
[02:37:04] Agrajag-: does your /dev/video0 device exist?
[02:37:18] Agrajag-: should say something like bttv1: registered device video0
[02:38:26] GeeKman_: in the grep it says "registered device video0"
[02:38:33] Agrajag-: sounds good then
[02:38:37] GeeKman_: ok
[02:39:40] GeeKman_: how do i tell myth to use the card? modules.conf?
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[02:40:36] Agrajag-: i dont know how knoppmyth does it.. normally you select it in mythtv-setup
[02:40:44] GeeKman_: ok
[02:40:59] GeeKman_: thats just run at prompt?
[02:41:22] Agrajag-: yeah
[02:41:23] johnsu01: I seem to having some mysql issues here. I've installed from debian package, but when I go to run mythtv-setup, it's not finding the tables it's expecting
[02:41:40] johnsu01: the only table in the database is schemalock
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[02:46:10] purplefrog: The http://localhost:6544/ readout is too skinny. How can I tweak the div#schedule a {} style?
[02:51:50] GeeKman_: wee
[02:52:08] GeeKman_: looks like its working :)
[02:56:32] xris: GeeKman_: that's "wii"  ;)
[02:56:45] GeeKman_: haha
[02:56:55] purplefrog: bad publicity is still publicity.
[02:56:59] GeeKman_: yep
[02:57:27] Servo888: whoot – just finished up on renaming all my nuv files, time to off load them for backup and remove ubuntu forever....
[02:57:41] GeeKman_: gratz :)
[02:58:06] GeeKman_: Agrajag- one more question did you use the remote that comes with the winfast card? or another?
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[02:58:41] Agrajag-: yeah i actually only use that card for it's remote
[02:58:47] GeeKman_: lol
[02:59:06] Agrajag-: i have 2 other dvb cards that i use that have crappy remotes, and that card was lying around and has a better remote, so i use that
[02:59:13] ** xris grumbles about selinux **
[02:59:20] Agrajag-: but of course use dvb cards for tv
[02:59:47] GeeKman_: hehe
[03:00:09] GeeKman_: this card is all i have, aside from a pchd3000 thats sitting on my shelf
[03:00:17] GeeKman_: mostly to learn and play with :)
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[03:06:47] GeeKman_: oops
[03:06:57] GeeKman_: picked wrong cable format looks like
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[03:13:55] Servo888: Ok file transfer looks good... Time to work on getting distcc working.
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[03:19:47] penticlex: does any one know a mirror for atrpms?
[03:20:52] penticlex: I just reformated and installed the bit version of fedora and teh atrpms repo seems to be down
[03:21:13] penticlex: I just reformated and installed the 64 bit version of fedora and teh atrpms repo seems to be down
[03:21:37] Gumby: penticlex: reformat and install something else other than fedora. hehe
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[03:22:13] penticlex: whats wrong with fedora
[03:22:33] Gumby: I'm just kidding mostly.... mostly
[03:22:35] penticlex: ?
[03:22:57] Gumby: I personally didnt like it, but thats just my opinion... and everyone knows what they say about opinions.
[03:23:14] penticlex: I dont mind I was just wondering why you didnt like it
[03:24:20] Gumby: well, for one, if you want an rpm based mythtv install you pretty much have to rely on a repo that breaks the main distros packaging repos as far as dependancies go
[03:24:56] Gumby: second, I never could get the audio on my bttv card to work when using mythtv.
[03:25:12] Gumby: never had any issues in either debian or mandriva.
[03:25:22] penticlex: I was using debian for years and Ion a whim I switched a couple of months ago
[03:25:45] Gumby: I switched back to debian after about a month of issues with FC4
[03:25:46] penticlex: tehn I just decided to try the 64 bit version
[03:26:19] Gumby: and IMHO 64bit isnt ready. Then again, I havnt tried it much either. This is just what I read from people that do use it
[03:26:26] AngryElf: in mythtv-setup -> capture cards, how do i delete a card?
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[03:26:42] penticlex: I was looking for more bleeding edge than stability
[03:27:02] Gumby: penticlex: thats silly if you are building a mythbox
[03:27:20] Gumby: stability is light years more important than bleeding edge
[03:28:01] Gumby: AngryElf: I dont have a mythbox in front of me right now but isnt there an option to delete cards from the capture cards screen?
[03:28:29] penticlex: I have been testing mythtv is just another project like btalsa
[03:28:42] penticlex: is = its
[03:28:56] Gumby: AngryElf: which mythtv version are you using?
[03:29:14] AngryElf: no, i found it....D does it
[03:29:20] penticlex: there is an option to delete in mythtvsetup
[03:29:52] AngryElf: also, does anyone know of a color guide to mythweb? i know of the popup when you hover over the top left corner......but what about color coding for upcoming recordings etc...
[03:30:36] penticlex: hmm I didnt see one
[03:30:40] AngryElf: and what the numbers mean on the left, E 1 L etc........is this info published anywhere?
[03:30:52] GeeKman_: thanks for all the help, gnight all :)
[03:31:00] AngryElf: i'm guessing 1= tuner1, but E, L?
[03:31:07] penticlex: that in the setup in mythfrontend
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[03:31:26] AngryElf: ??
[03:31:58] penticlex: oops I thought you meant for keys
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[03:42:30] ficusplanet: Hey everyone. Has anyone here done commercial flagging on an EPIA based system? If so, how long would take, for instance, to flag a 30 minute show?
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[03:45:21] xris: ficusplanet: that depends on recording quality, cpu speed, source quality, etc.
[03:46:08] ficusplanet: xris: It's an 800Mhz C3, SDTV, normal/average recording quality.
[03:46:42] xris: wtf is normal/average? 720x480 analog signal? 320x240 digital?
[03:46:50] xris: I honestly have no idea, though.
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[03:48:19] hd420: anyone have ir codes for the directv r15 pvr?
[03:55:35] penticlex: any who what about the atrpms repo any one know of any mirrors ?
[03:56:16] penticlex: I need another mirror that has mythtv
[03:59:37] penticlex: I amde every one quiet
[04:03:28] xris: penticlex: atrpms is the only place to get mythtv rpm's for now... he has plenty of mirrors, though
[04:08:00] defaultro: hi xris
[04:08:06] xris: defaultro: :)
[04:08:43] defaultro: i got the 6200 but haven't had made any progress on my firewire card. It's affecting air2pc
[04:10:59] xris: defaultro: lame
[04:12:51] penticlex: what is one of the mirrors because it seems broken since sometime yesterday
[04:15:33] penticlex: apt.atrpms.net
[04:15:36] penticlex: oops
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[04:16:02] fergu: hi
[04:17:12] fergu: hello
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[04:35:13] penticlex: atrpms is broken
[04:36:07] penticlex: broken
[04:36:10] penticlex: broken
[04:36:10] penticlex: broken
[04:36:11] penticlex: broken
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[04:57:32] mchou: xris: chan you please check if the picture controls (contrast hue) work for you in myth? the default key is 'f'
[04:57:57] xris: mchou: they won't work, I don't have xv controls enabled
[04:58:15] mchou: xris: ahh, thanks for the hint :)
[04:58:20] opello: penticlex: so build from source and be done with it
[04:58:23] xris: :)
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[05:03:42] defaultro: mchou, do you have 24 recorded?
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[05:28:46] mchou: defaultro: yeah, I have 24
[05:29:04] mchou: defaultro: house was exceptionally good tonight
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[05:49:27] johnsu01: Anyone have the mythflix plugin working? The script to register my username and password is returning a 501.
[05:50:17] Gumby: does anyone know what command gets run to take a single frame "picture" of a recording. the one that is used for the mythweb recordings page?
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[05:51:12] Gumby: my reocrdings all seem to exist, but none of the images do. I'm not local to the box so I cant check to see if the recordings have recorded properly or not
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[06:04:25] Mortalman: url for mythtv screenshots ?
[06:07:17] Agrajag-: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Screenshots
[06:13:23] defaultro: hi Agrajag
[06:13:55] defaultro: I saw my friends's theme yesterday on his Xbox. It's totally cool
[06:16:00] Mortalman: on his xbox?
[06:17:01] mchou: defaultro: you get new firewire card?
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[06:20:55] defaultro: nope not yet
[06:21:05] defaultro: been busy with house
[06:21:25] defaultro: my friend is lending me his firewire card. I'll get it tomorrow
[06:21:42] defaultro: MortalMan, yes, on hix xbox
[06:21:51] defaultro: I think, he got it modded first
[06:22:04] defaultro: I really like the menu
[06:22:37] defaultro: for his ripped movies, he also used imdb
[06:23:40] defaultro: when you exit out of a screen, the topmost screen gets divided in the middle horizontally, similar to a powerpoint slide
[06:23:56] defaultro: then you will see the previous screen
[06:26:53] defaultro: mchou, I sent you a message earlier about a recorded program. Do you have 24 recorded?
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[06:58:34] hd420: anyone have ir codes for the directv r15 pvr?
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[07:17:38] hd420: wtf?
[07:18:10] hd420: backend-server isn't runninge
[07:18:37] hd420: but it is at process 32315
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[07:36:55] sandos: anyone running a geforce 6150 and nvidia 8756 drivers? =)
[07:36:59] sandos: curious if interlacing works
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[07:49:59] sandos: aha! "Actually, the latest Nvidia driver (8756) has pretty good interlaced SDTV support. I've been running (8178) for several months now with excellent results on my 20" SDTV. Also Nvidia's Linux drivers are vastly superior to ATI's. I'd definitely choose an Nvidia graphic chip over an ATI if you are considering Linux as your OS."
[07:50:01] sandos: good to know ;)
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[07:50:52] JloR: sandos: yea.. ATI are making drivers for linux, but not really worth it – in my experience.
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[07:51:04] JloR: I haven't owned an nvidia card in years though :) My last one was TNT2..
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[07:51:17] sandos: hehe, Im playing around with a TNT2 atm ;)
[07:51:21] sandos: but its not that much fun
[07:51:51] JloR: hehe.. I threw in an ATI9200 in the box I'm setting mythTV up on.
[07:52:05] JloR: I got a PVR-350 card yesterday :) Having loads and loads of fun playing with it.
[07:53:26] Zider: sandos: is it even supported by the unidrivers?
[07:53:36] sandos: no, and Im not using those
[07:53:51] sandos: its supported by their "legacy" driver, which seems to suck
[07:53:53] sandos: no interlace support afaict
[07:54:08] Zider: I didn't even get tv-out working with my tnt1 :P
[07:54:18] sandos: Im using the open-source driver.. I get not vsync is the problem currently...
[07:54:58] sandos: so been trying to use mplayer/directfb but it refuses.. I get a black screen on directfb, and weird 3-grey-duplicates on fbdev
[07:55:28] Zider: what about x11 or even xv?
[07:56:57] sandos: seems to work fine for sdtv
[07:57:08] sandos: the "only" problem is tearing due to no vsync...
[07:57:15] Zider: mkay
[07:57:23] sandos: and I cant use opengl+vsync, since opengl isnt accelerated =)
[07:57:51] Zider: :D
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[08:51:44] DGnome: mythtv 0.19 and svn automatically find channels, not by selectiong my own country which is finland, but they do not work.. Any ideas?
[08:54:15] stuarta: do you mean when scanning for channels?
[08:55:40] DGnome: yes
[08:55:57] stuarta: what does it find?
[08:56:15] DGnome: Exactly right channel names
[08:56:30] DGnome: but nothing beyond that
[08:56:48] stuarta: but you cannot watch the channels?
[08:56:48] DGnome: just heard that there are problems with the scanner
[08:56:58] DGnome: cannot watch
[08:57:00] ** stuarta is working on it **
[08:57:26] DGnome: and no EPG-data either
[08:57:50] ** stuarta is working on that too **
[08:58:01] DGnome: :)
[08:58:23] stuarta: we just need to work out exactly what the scanner is doing for you....
[08:58:34] DGnome: mkay
[08:59:09] stuarta: can you copy your channels & dtv_multiplex tables into a pastebin?
[08:59:32] stuarta: s/channels/channel/
[08:59:50] DGnome: umm.. If you help me create dumps of the tables :)
[09:00:27] stuarta: mysql -u root mythconverg
[09:00:31] stuarta: select * from channel;
[09:00:39] stuarta: select * from dtv_multiplex;
[09:00:46] stuarta: cut n paste
[09:01:00] DGnome: big tables
[09:01:17] UBL: did you run mythfilldatabase?
[09:01:18] stuarta: yep, hence use a pastebin.
[09:03:29] DGnome: stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/53163
[09:06:30] stuarta: known problem, use 0.19 for now, it should work okay.
[09:06:54] DGnome: okay
[09:07:10] DGnome: thanks
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[09:56:49] benderz0r: I have a 350 card using mythtv current and when I watch live tv the voice is slighty out of sync (but very noticably) – it doesn't happen on a normal tv so how do I fix it plz?
[09:57:19] Zider: plzkthxz
[09:58:23] benderz0r: yeah that
[09:59:46] hashbang: benderz0r: try pausing then unpausing.
[10:00:20] benderz0r: erm I'm not sure if there has been an importment
[10:00:59] LLLyric: are you using audio directly out of pvr-350? or passthrough to video card.
[10:01:13] benderz0r: yes it did help it alot (watched after unpausing)
[10:01:41] benderz0r: audio comes off the mother board and the video is coming through a nvidia gfx card
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[10:03:28] benderz0r: pausing definatly helps
[10:03:56] LLLyric: So not using pvr for output, mkay. THere's probably an audio sync/lag setting somewhere. It's probably a fixed amount through, so if pause/unpause fixes it a bit, that may not help.
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[10:04:36] benderz0r: hmm, under windows the setting was in the registry...though the advantage of using linux/mythtv mean I dont want to use windows
[10:04:54] benderz0r: do you think pluging audio directly into the 350 will bring it into sync?
[10:05:25] LLLyric: Probably not, and that won't work at all for mythvideo etc
[10:05:43] LLLyric: There are messages on the lists about audio lag:
[10:06:32] benderz0r: okay thanks
[10:06:39] LLLyric: How big a lag?
[10:07:51] benderz0r: half a second at most?
[10:07:55] benderz0r: it's very hard to tell
[10:08:26] LLLyric: Sorry I don't have any specific experience with this – I can only google etc, same as you.
[10:08:29] benderz0r: even less
[10:08:32] benderz0r: okay
[10:08:39] benderz0r: yeah I'll looking in a bunch of places
[10:09:10] benderz0r: one other thing, two channels that I've removed from having channel numbers are still showing up when I scroll through channels while watching live tv
[10:09:23] benderz0r: specifically channel 0
[10:09:41] LLLyric: I think there's a checkbox to hide channels with no numbers
[10:09:46] benderz0r: it definately doesn't have a channel designation though didnt disapear like the others that were auto detected that I didn't want
[10:09:48] LLLyric: In the settings somwhere
[10:09:52] benderz0r: yeah, it's ticked
[10:09:58] ** LLLyric shrugs **
[10:12:59] Dibblah: Hmmm... Anyone else seeing pool.ntp.org not resolving?
[10:13:11] Dibblah: http://www.pool.ntp.org/
[10:13:20] benderz0r: can ping it
[10:13:27] benderz0r: and I can load it
[10:13:30] Dibblah: Good. Just me then :)
[10:13:36] stuarta: just you :)
[10:13:46] benderz0r: hehe :P
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[10:17:32] frederikfdvp: hi
[10:17:55] frederikfdvp: i am creating my own lircrc file , but volume doesn't work
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[10:20:01] frederikfdvp: how do i configure volume in lircrc file ?
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[10:23:26] g8ecj: Is Ivor about?
[10:24:11] ivor: aloha
[10:24:51] ivor: g8ecj: couldn't figure out what was going on from your mail... so wondered if you could make some logs.
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[10:27:29] g8ecj: ivor: yup, can do. Do you want it in say livetv and then bring up the Info OSD or summat like that?
[10:29:02] g8ecj: If I try to bring up the guide from the menu then it shifts the display over a few pixels. I've seen that reported before. When I then exit LiveTV with this shift on, it leaves me with a blank screen
[10:29:03] ivor: sure something like that sounds fine.
[10:29:30] g8ecj: OK – will be summat on the way b4 I go to bed
[10:30:17] ivor: ta.
[10:34:44] g8ecj: Summat else weird as well – the internal DVD player almost works now – not getting that mesa crash I was getting a couple of weeks ago. I'll try more tests on that tho'
[10:37:23] frederikfdvp: when i configure volume to work with F10 and F11, the remote won't work in mythfronted anymore
[10:41:01] frederikfdvp: anyone here
[10:42:45] benderz0r: hihi
[10:43:12] g8ecj: ivor: red herring on the dvd player – summat must have been changed as it doesn't crash'n'burn inside mesa even in 16 bit...
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[11:00:25] g8ecj: ivor: on the list or direct to you???
[11:00:36] ivor: direct to me is fine.
[11:02:58] g8ecj: OK
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[11:04:17] g8ecj: 16bit.log.bz2 and 24bit.log.bz are on their way. Gone 11pm, time for bed :-)
[11:05:35] g8ecj: Hmm – must find out how to use IRC...
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[11:06:40] Juski: afternoon
[11:07:10] stuarta: afternoon Juski
[11:07:42] ivor: damn. he's left.
[11:07:53] stuarta: she.
[11:08:17] stuarta: AFAICT
[11:08:34] ivor: sent logs.... "I trimmed a lot of crap out of them"
[11:08:48] ivor: happened to be the crap I wanted to look at. :)
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[11:09:20] Juski: lol
[11:10:31] ivor: stuarta: "she"! we have chicks hanging about? wow.
[11:10:48] stuarta: unless Robin is a boys name....
[11:11:10] ivor: stuarta: um quite often yes.
[11:11:20] ivor: can be either
[11:11:30] ivor: "Robin Hood" ? :D
[11:11:44] stuarta: he wore tights...
[11:11:50] ivor: ooh good call.
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[11:19:39] DGnome: stuarta: same symptoms with 0.19, and I noticed something now that I remember seeing with SVN allso, 2006-05–03 14:17:47.010 DVB#0 WARNING – Your frequency setting (2147483647) is out of range. (min/max:177000000/858000000)
[11:20:17] stuarta: using 0.19-fixes?
[11:20:32] DGnome: crap, ofcourse not :D
[11:20:50] stuarta: stock 0.19 shouldn't do this... hmmm.
[11:22:13] DGnome: and oh, channelscan did find channels with finland selected
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[12:24:57] LLLyric: How much cpu is required for a dedicated backend, with a couple of tuners?
[12:26:11] GreyFoxx: Depends on what kind of tuners
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[12:27:06] GreyFoxx: A dedicated backend with a couple PVR cards would use basically 0 cpu
[12:27:11] JloR: neat
[12:27:24] LLLyric: even HD?
[12:27:26] GreyFoxx: not if you toss in software based cards then your CPU goes up
[12:27:30] JloR: I just got a PVR :) And I'm thinking of putting it in the machine with the other older tuner
[12:27:39] GreyFoxx: LLLyric: Takes 0 cpu to record HD, only IO cycles to the disk
[12:27:54] GreyFoxx: HD comes in precompressed. You are just reading it from the card and writing it to the disk
[12:28:21] LLLyric: that's what I figured – I guess I was wondering about the cpu overhead in writing to the disk, and streaming it back to frontends...
[12:28:49] gardengnome: will mythfrontend work on freebsd?
[12:28:58] GreyFoxx: That has less to do with CPU and more to do with the drives, and how fast your motherboard can read/write to them
[12:29:19] GreyFoxx: gardengnome: At one point it could. Not sure about now
[12:30:58] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: well, time to it try it then :) i've just installed pcbsd. looks good so far
[12:31:18] GreyFoxx: NEver heard of it :)
[12:31:28] JloR: this is weird.. In Gentoo Linux MythTV depends on MySQL .. Doesn't make sense if all I really want is the frontend. Or am I way off course here?
[12:31:48] LLLyric: JloR: it still needs to be a mysql client
[12:31:51] GreyFoxx: JloR: It needs to talk to the mysql database, so it needs the mysql client librarries at least
[12:32:14] JloR: yea, but there is a mysql client that doesn't come packaged with the mysql server.
[12:32:17] JloR: I'm just wondering :)
[12:32:30] GreyFoxx: JloR: For a frontend only, the server is not required
[12:32:39] JloR: that's what I thought.. Hmm..
[12:32:46] GreyFoxx: though it's just a little bit of disk space so it shouldn't hurt to install it :)
[12:33:05] JloR: I suppose I should mail the guy that does the ebuild in gentoo..
[12:33:15] JloR: Yea, except I'm on a laptop, so my CPU/harddrive will hate me
[12:33:17] GreyFoxx: He sits in this channel all the time
[12:33:32] JloR: oh, oki, I'll go poke him
[12:33:43] GreyFoxx: Thought I don't see him here at the moment
[12:33:46] JloR: heh
[12:34:28] sapbeast: JloR: maybe the +frontendonly switch
[12:34:41] ** LLLyric "yum update" his mythbox via ssh from his office, and has his wife swearing "make that pc shut up!" **
[12:34:42] ** LLLyric needs to finish making his myth box diskless **
[12:34:47] JloR: oh, that works? Hmm, I'm blind :P
[12:34:55] JloR: thanks a lot sapbeast, this was stupid
[12:35:28] sapbeast: i have not tried it myself, but the option is there
[12:35:39] JloR: yea, it still takes in the mysql though.
[12:35:45] sapbeast: on mine i built it with most of the flags...
[12:35:49] JloR: :)
[12:36:04] JloR: Nah, I'm ok with it.. I might need the mysql later – as a server that is.
[12:36:26] sapbeast: i dont think its that terrible to have mysql installed, you can always not have it start on default
[12:36:55] JloR: oh, one last question.. If the backend is running 0.19 , and the frontend is running 0.18.1 – will they be able to talk to eachother?
[12:37:19] sapbeast: there is also the +minimal flag for mysql... i imagine this does a very light install
[12:38:00] JloR: yes
[12:40:55] sapbeast: one recommendation i would use for a laptop that has low disk space and slower cpu is -Os for make options (I've tried this)
[12:41:11] sapbeast: rather than -O2 and all the other standard crap
[12:41:17] JloR: Hmm, I'm using -O2 atm
[12:41:32] JloR: and -march=pentium-m -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
[12:41:35] sapbeast: it saves some space... not a huge amount but it could help
[12:41:39] JloR: thanks for the tip
[12:41:53] JloR: Will have to recompile my entire system though if I change it I suppose :)
[12:42:00] sapbeast: well the one sitting behind me is a pentium 3 750mhz... march=pentium3 -pipe
[12:42:03] DGnome: =P
[12:42:12] sapbeast: pentium-m you might not really need it
[12:42:12] DGnome: kekee, /me going mad
[12:42:21] sapbeast: how much disk space again?
[12:42:26] JloR: 40gb
[12:42:35] sapbeast: jeez nevermind... this thing operates in only 10
[12:42:40] sapbeast: with several gigs to spare
[12:42:46] JloR: 10gb on / ... Then some backup partitions and stuff
[12:43:18] JloR: and another 10gb on a windows partition that I really should get rid of – haven't booted it in half a year.
[12:43:40] GreyFoxx: Hehe, my average / partition is ~ 750Meg :)
[12:43:48] GreyFoxx: It's funny seeing how differently people partition :)
[12:43:58] JloR: my tv-box is 120gb .. roughly..
[12:44:00] JloR: I was lazy :P
[12:44:11] ** LLLyric only keeps his windows partition on his second machine for the scanner. Doesn't work too well under linux yet. **
[12:44:23] GreyFoxx: , /usr , /var, /home and on some boxes /var/spool and /tmp
[12:44:42] JloR: yea, I usually partition /tmp as well
[12:45:06] JloR: if I'm on a sun then I go crazy :) /usr /tmp /home /var /root and /
[12:47:26] JloR: but yea.. Can I use frontend from 0.18.1 on a backend running 0.19 ?
[12:47:31] GreyFoxx: nope
[12:49:18] JloR: Oki
[12:55:28] stuarta: DGnome: you around?
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[13:05:15] ivor: heh frontend potential: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8273097472.html
[13:06:06] Merlin83b2: Doesn't that already run Myth?
[13:06:30] Merlin83b2: Seem to remember reading that somewhere.
[13:09:07] GreyFoxx: Nifty
[13:09:30] ivor: Merlin83b2: really. can't see any mention of that anywhere.
[13:13:52] ivor: hmm wonder if they've manufactured any yet. all the pictures are rendered.
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[13:16:57] stuarta: wouldn't mind testing one....
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[13:27:06] Merlin83b2: I may have made it up :-)
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[14:34:45] frederikfdvp: hi
[14:35:12] frederikfdvp: could someone give a example for how to configure volume down and up in lircrc file ?
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[14:39:56] Hoxzer: Honestly guys has somebody here got actually mythtv working stable (no crashes in 3 weeks or something)?
[14:40:43] stuarta: mine's stable, never lasts for 3 weeks cause I keep changing the code :)
[14:41:34] Zider: well, I haven't finished setting mine up yet.. but no crashes at least..
[14:41:51] JloR: anyone in here set up MythTV on a box with a PVR-350 Hauppauge card?
[14:42:15] JloR: Or well, this probably isn't a mythTV issue really.. More of a ivtv issue
[14:43:00] RaYmAn-Bx: if you're using 2.6.x then try reverting to an earlier kernel and earlier ivtv version..like 0.4.2
[14:43:24] JloR: I'll try reverting to an earlier ivtv version.
[14:43:42] JloR: reverting to older kernels isn't something I've tried before on this distro.. Seems a bit difficult
[14:44:46] RaYmAn-Bx: you have to use ivtv 0.6.x with kernel 2.6.x and 0.4.x with earlier kernels
[14:44:50] JloR: running a "non-stable" (according to Gentoo) version of ivtv.. So yea, might try to run the stable. Just heard that the "non-stable" should be best for this card.
[14:45:12] JloR: I can't use 0.6.x ... It's not in my portage.. Then I'll have to go download it and compile it outside portage..
[14:45:15] JloR: I suppose I can do that.
[14:45:41] RaYmAn-Bx: worth a try..
[14:46:03] RaYmAn-Bx: but I did actually mean that you should try using ivtv 0.4.x if you were using a later version
[14:46:04] JloR: yes.. Only have 0.4.0-r3 and 0.4.2 available to me out of portage.
[14:46:13] JloR: I was using 0.4.2
[14:46:27] RaYmAn-Bx: what's your problem anyways?
[14:46:35] JloR: /dev/video0 can't be read
[14:46:49] RaYmAn-Bx: "can't be read"?
[14:47:09] JloR: can't be read.. I have tried both with a user that is in the same group as the /dev/video0, and as root.
[14:47:17] JloR: Neither can read it (read anything at all from it).
[14:47:35] JloR: tvtime tells me: "Cannot open capture device /dev/video0"
[14:47:56] JloR: mythTV crashes my computer completely.. Leaves it unresponsive
[14:48:05] RaYmAn-Bx: what exactly happens when you do "cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg"
[14:48:33] JloR: file.mpg will be a video with black in it..
[14:48:35] JloR: only black.
[14:49:10] RaYmAn-Bx: so it does actuallyget some data?
[14:49:26] JloR: Who knows.. But it looks like it
[14:50:22] RaYmAn-Bx: you could check the size of the file =P
[14:50:45] JloR: it fills it with something, but who am I to say if that content has any relation to what comes out the TV plug in my wall?
[14:50:53] JloR: /dev/urandom produces output as well.
[14:51:10] RaYmAn-Bx: It's unlikely to produce random data.
[14:51:30] RaYmAn-Bx: And it's not uncommon to get no data at all (i.e. 0 byte files) so it's a perfectly valid question =P
[14:51:30] JloR: very much so
[14:51:57] JloR: I've compiled the ivtv 0.6.1 .. I'll just reboot and try it out
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[14:53:30] JloR: still no go
[14:55:01] JloR: now I can't even cat the device .. not as root and not as my "tv" user.
[14:55:05] JloR: bad call
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[15:02:59] JloR: now I can cat /dev/video0 again (moved back to the 0.4.2 version from gentoo).. But still can't watch TV using tvtime.
[15:03:11] JloR: afraid to use mythtv because it froze up my machine last time :)
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[15:03:27] frederikfdvp: hi, who in here has a mce 2005 remote ?
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[15:10:46] sapbeast: JloR: I didnt bother with the one from the portage tree it was out of date... 0.4.4 from source
[15:11:16] JloR: okay, I will look at that.. But isn't that for the 2.4.x kernel?
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[15:12:23] JloR: I'll try to remove any unnecesary hardware from it first.. To make sure it's not an IRQ problem (one guide tells me it has problem, another says it's ok)
[15:14:33] frederikfdvp: i got a strange problem , i try my vol down button on mce remote , it won't go fully down , its stops at 98% , then when i pres a random button the volume go back to 100%
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[15:17:53] Merlin83b2: Argh! What? Silly Myth, it's forgotten about all my recordings :<
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[15:28:01] Merlin83b2: Hmm, they're all back.
[15:28:02] Merlin83b2: Weird.
[15:28:13] ** Merlin83b2 blames himself. **
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[15:28:45] hd420: i have a really odd sort of problem
[15:29:06] Merlin83b2: I always have an urge to make silly jokes when people say things like that.
[15:29:13] Zider: ;)
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[15:29:52] hd420: backend-server isn't running
[15:29:54] hd420: but it is at process 32315
[15:30:30] RaYmAn-Bx: zombie? :P
[15:33:29] maniacxs: german tv filmed a few minutes our mythtv booth on linuxtag ;)
[15:33:38] maniacxs: a few minutes ago
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[15:35:02] ficusplanet: Hey everyone. Does anyone have any recommendations for a slient/near-silent 40mm fan for an EPIA SP13000?
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[15:42:28] sapbeast: i dont even know if a 40mm can even be silent
[15:43:04] Zider: ficusplanet: for the cpu?
[15:43:29] ficusplanet: Zider: Yes. sapbeast: Not necessarily silent, just under the 25dBA of the default.
[15:43:52] Zider: why not just smack a big-ass heatsink on it? :)
[15:44:15] Zider: completely silent :)
[15:44:54] ficusplanet: Zider: Can you remove the heatsink from this kind of board? It seems to be stuck on there pretty tightly.
[15:45:25] Zider: well, I assumed you could.. I haven't used one myself tho..
[15:45:31] ivor: ficusplanet: yeah all the sinks come off.
[15:45:45] sapbeast: heatsinks with thermal epoxy *are* removable
[15:45:52] Zider: if all else fails, use a hammer ;)
[15:45:53] sapbeast: in the worse case
[15:46:22] ficusplanet: ivor: Zider: sapbeast: In that case, does any one have a recommendation for a good heatsink for the SP13000?
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[15:47:04] Servo888: hmm... Anybody know if you can crop an mpeg stream? I'm getting some weird artifacts at the top of all my shows, and a solid black line on the leftside of the frame (very small, but noticeable).
[15:47:34] Servo888: wait nvm found it. hehe
[15:48:33] sapbeast: ficusplanet: the problem with small forms is finding a heatsink designed for them... the zalman all copper ones are nice but certainly would not fir that
[15:49:54] ivor: ficusplanet: to be honest in a small form factor case you're probably not going to be able to fit a sink big enough to remove the fan.
[15:49:56] ficusplanet: sapbeast: Yeah. It's definitely hard to find parts for these things. They're still fun to play with, though.
[15:50:25] ivor: an alternative is to fit a much bigger but slower fan into the case like one of the zalman slimline fans.
[15:50:38] sapbeast: well if its EPIA its likely a via cpu, those dont generate alot of heat
[15:50:43] sapbeast: some of them are fanless/heatsinkless
[15:51:11] ivor: sapbeast: um clocked at 1.3Ghz it is.
[15:51:16] sapbeast: a northbridge heatsink recycled from another board or scrap *might* work
[15:51:17] Zider: I wouldn't trust a cpu without a heatsink tho.. even if it's a small one :P
[15:51:20] ivor: the fanless ones run at 600Mhz.
[15:51:41] sapbeast: i was just reading they made a 1ghz model with no fan
[15:51:53] DGnome: stuarta: I'm around once in a while :)
[15:51:55] ficusplanet: Well, I just found a 40mm fan that is supposedly rated as 14dba. That's a pretty big improvement. There actually is an 800mhz fanless now, but I wanted a tad more omph.
[15:51:58] Servo888: My low power 35 watt amd mobile, runs at 800mhz fanless. Quite nice =-).
[15:52:50] sapbeast: unfortunately i cant paste links over VNC for you
[15:52:57] Zider: my P4 prescott runs without a fan :P
[15:53:05] sapbeast: http://www.frozencpu.com/cpu-spe-01.html
[15:53:12] sapbeast: 1U form factor heatsink?
[15:53:24] Zider: well, no.. big-ass zalman ;)
[15:53:57] Zider: CU6600 or whatever the name is
[15:54:09] sapbeast: yeah i have one of those in this system (not the fanless version)
[15:54:26] Zider: this isn't a fanless version, but I can disconnect the fan and still have it cool
[15:55:08] sapbeast: This one is 7000B-Cu
[15:55:17] Zider: probably thanks to the chassi fans tho
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[15:56:37] sapbeast: also have the zalman vga cooler on the video card to replace the defunct one
[15:57:21] Servo888: Anybody use that avidemux2? Once I setup filters and everything how do I export the final movie? I've tried save, and requantized mpeg, but neither apply the filters.
[15:57:51] stuarta: DGnome: was after some testing, but another tester popped up :)
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[15:59:52] hd420: i have a really odd sort of problem
[16:00:34] Merlin83b2: We know, hd420, you said about half an hour ago.
[16:00:39] Merlin83b2: Did you kill it and restart it?
[16:00:48] sapbeast: Zider: be glad its not 90mm fans though... finding decent versions of those is tricky (not 92mm)
[16:00:55] Zider: pretty much exactly half an hour ago..
[16:01:11] DGnome: stuarta: mkay :)
[16:01:14] Zider: sapbeast: 120x120mm chassi fans, one in the front, one in the back
[16:01:34] sapbeast: Zider: those work fine yeah... especially the panaflow ones
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[16:02:04] Zider: sapbeast: uhm, dunno the brand.. I got the cheapest ones, and they've worked fine for a year or two now
[16:02:30] sapbeast: Zider: anything thats not sleeve bearing will last a decent while at least
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[16:02:46] sapbeast: sleeve bearing fans have a habit of dying quickly... double ball bearing ones will last 5+ years
[16:03:27] Zider: sapbeast: hm, not sure about the swedish meaning of that.. but I suppose there's only ball or sleeve available, and I don't have ball.. :P
[16:04:00] Zider: I do have ball.. but not ballBEARING.. fans that is.. :P
[16:04:04] sapbeast: Zider: ah, well the higher quality ones have a ball... but also cost more and make more noise fro mbearings.
[16:04:36] sapbeast: Maybe a 120mm fan with sleeve would not be so bad, but i can speak from experience that 40mm, 60mm and 80mm sleeve bearing fans never last more than a few months
[16:04:51] Zider: mkay
[16:04:55] Zider: maybe I'm lucky ;)
[16:05:03] gardengnome: http://maniacxs3.homelinux.net/LinuxTAG%202006/ – pictures of the mythtv booth at linuxtag.
[16:05:04] Zider: or maybe it's because they aren't going at full speed
[16:05:21] sapbeast: thats the thing, the sleeve bearing fans that run at like say 4000 rpm die quick (cheapo vga fan, hdd cooler)
[16:05:29] sapbeast: normal 120mm fans run at < 2000 rpm
[16:07:13] Zider: yeah, mines are at 1900rpm
[16:07:22] Zider: mine
[16:07:39] stuarta: gardengnome: so who's who?
[16:07:49] Zider: lowest I could select in bios.. :D
[16:08:34] gardengnome: stuarta: uh. maniacxs is the shaggy guy wih the long hair, mak is the older guy and the-fox is the most normal looking one ;)
[16:09:35] stuarta: no gnomes?
[16:10:12] Zider: why does the vdr booth have an old rug hanging?
[16:13:25] gardengnome: stuarta: no. maybe i'll go there on saturday, dunno yet
[16:13:44] gardengnome: Zider: it was late and they'd already setup everything
[16:13:55] maniacxs: gardengnome: you do not look normal, too!
[16:14:16] gardengnome: maniacxs: yeah. but i plan on shaving soon. maybe next month or so.
[16:14:20] gardengnome: maniacxs: ;)
[16:14:22] Zider: whoa.. a girl!!
[16:14:23] Zider: ;)
[16:14:44] maniacxs: but they filmed me on german tv :' )
[16:14:46] gardengnome: Zider: gotta make sure mythtv attracts more people than vdr.. :P
[16:14:55] Zider: true ;)
[16:14:58] gardengnome: and you gave them the URL to my server. :/
[16:15:06] maniacxs: gardengnome: jo
[16:15:20] maniacxs: gardengnome: create a link on my server
[16:15:28] gardengnome: maniacxs: is someone gonna upload the pictures to mythtvtalk?
[16:15:37] maniacxs: gardengnome: ask coume
[16:15:41] gardengnome: maniacxs: will do, i'll try to find some more people to mirror it
[16:15:42] maniacxs: we have to go now.
[16:15:49] maniacxs: cu bye...
[16:15:50] gardengnome: maniacxs: ok. bye, have fun and don't get too drunk
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[16:54:02] diamon: Anyone happen to remember how to reset your capture card info entirely in Myth? I'm searching docs now too...
[16:55:54] mchou: mythtv-setup
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[16:58:02] diamon: mchou: Feh, I was getting all complicated on it, too...
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[17:02:15] nosun: anyone know how to manually start and stop recording?
[17:02:56] Zider: the 'r' button?
[17:03:09] Zider: or record button on the remote
[17:03:14] Zider: while watching live
[17:03:49] xrothgarx: does anyone have a Divico Fusion HDTV5 gold plus card working with myth? I have heard of people getting them to work but I am having nothing but trouble
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[17:04:04] nosun: when you hit r and hit r again it cancels the recording
[17:04:07] nosun: it doesn't stop it
[17:04:11] Hoxzer: :E
[17:04:14] nosun: it pretty much deletes it:P
[17:04:15] Hoxzer: seems like I'm having serious problems with EIT
[17:04:36] Hoxzer: everytime backend crashes there has been something about EIT
[17:04:44] liran: oh really nosun?
[17:05:04] liran: weird i always thought it stops it and gives you just that cut of the movie that you marked between the two r's pressed :P
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[17:07:59] xrothgarx: the first part of the error I am getting when i try myth-setup is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13349
[17:08:13] xrothgarx: I am using ubuntu 6.06
[17:08:50] hd420: is there any sort of verbose mode with mythfilldatabase?
[17:14:30] gardengnome: hd420: mythfilldatabase --verbose help?
[17:14:36] nosun: liran to my knowledge it deletes it
[17:14:44] nosun: maybe something I did wrong the time I tried it:P
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[17:39:24] xris: Hoxzer: .19.1?
[17:39:28] xris: er,.19-fixes?
[17:39:32] Hoxzer: Yeah
[17:39:39] xris: hmm
[17:40:20] Hoxzer: actually it is 0.19.2
[17:40:29] gardengnome: there's no such thing
[17:40:34] Hoxzer: Oops
[17:40:38] Hoxzer: Nwm
[17:41:05] xris: there's not even a .19.1 yet
[17:41:17] Hoxzer: :D
[17:41:28] xris: Hoxzer: so you're compiling your own from the fixes branch?
[17:41:45] Hoxzer: I'm not compiling anything
[17:41:48] Hoxzer: I have done it already
[17:42:21] xris: Hoxzer: just wanted to make sure you were using the fixes branch and not a .19 package
[17:42:38] Hoxzer: k
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[17:44:36] krope32: Hey, my box is not recognizing my prv-150 correctly, when i type lspci -v I get Hauppauge computer works Inc.: Unknown device 8003. How can I force the system to recognize the correct card?
[17:46:06] xris: krope32: sounds like something's not right with the kernel/card
[17:46:18] xris: that stuff should get reported regardless of driver
[17:47:01] krope32: hmm...
[17:47:34] sapbeast: yeah that is pretty messed up... what about lspci -n (happauge cards have 4444 as the major number)
[17:47:48] liran: p3 1ghz should be able to handle mplayer with full screen right? (128ram)
[17:48:03] liran: make that 192ram
[17:48:15] JloR: yes
[17:48:19] xris: liran: full screen what?
[17:48:22] krope32: With that i get this: 0000:02:0c.0 0400: 4444:0016 (rev 01)
[17:48:29] JloR: depending on the graphics card , I suppose..
[17:48:30] krope32: Is that what you are talking about?
[17:48:38] liran: xris, playing videos ofcourse :) mpeg, divx, xvid...e tc
[17:48:41] JloR: My laptop (1.3ghz with 128mb originally) could do it.
[17:49:07] xris: liran: what kind of video, resolution of the video, resolution of the monitor, video card?....
[17:49:14] JloR: I know my old 350mhz machine with 128mb could as well.. actually.
[17:49:19] xris: no way will you be able to play 1080i
[17:49:26] liran: does it matter if im using xorg's "nv" driver or if im installing nvidia's drivers?
[17:49:30] sapbeast: krope32, that is indeed a pvr-150
[17:49:32] liran: xris, umm, geforce2 mmx4
[17:49:37] krope32: Maybe it is a problem with ivtv not recognizing the correct coard, i seem to remember being able to force which card should be recodnized...
[17:49:39] xris: and 480p xvid might be cutting it close
[17:49:54] xris: liran: I'm trying to emphasize that you'll have trouble with some stuff and other stuff will be fine
[17:50:00] liran: xris, monitor on 1024 but i could do with 800x600 too if its just for vides.
[17:50:02] JloR: normal monitor size is fiiine.. but yea, if you want to do HD , of any kind , then you're out of luck
[17:50:04] xris: too many factors to take into account
[17:50:04] liran: ahh ok
[17:50:41] kormoc: liran, nvidia's driver will perform better then nv will, but it won't give you hdtv support.
[17:51:44] krope32: I gotta go to class, i'll be back in 2 hours to try to get this fixed.
[17:51:45] liran: ok
[17:52:45] ** JloR hates when he googles on an error message, and he gets no results.. **
[17:52:50] JloR: Makes you feel special, in the bad way
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[17:59:59] frederikfdvp: how does teletext work in mythtv ?
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[18:13:04] Zider: is the author of mythstream hanging around here sometimes, or is (s)he a non-ircer? :P
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[18:33:11] Dibblah: You're confusing me unnecessarily now.
[18:33:40] stuarta: apolgies. nick maintainence. probably should have left the channel first....
[18:36:44] Cyburai: I'm having some problems with LIRC on my hauppage 250. I've looked through the mailing list and googled it to death. You are my last hope Obi One. Installing the i2c rpm from apt doesn't install anything so no lirc_i2c module loads. I can't get the current version to compile either. Can anyone suggest anything?
[18:38:06] liran: yeah Cyburai let me help you, i had some problems also.
[18:38:16] liran: Cyburai, you on a rh compatible system?
[18:39:01] Cyburai: fedora core 4
[18:39:02] Cyburai: god thanks in advance
[18:39:43] liran: lol sure
[18:39:47] liran: which kernel?
[18:40:22] Cyburai: 2.6.16–1.2096_FC4
[18:41:07] liran: good like mine. have you got the linux sources and kernel headers installed correctly in /usr/src?
[18:41:32] Cyburai: everything was peachy under 2.6.14–1.656. But I had no sound watching TV. Upgrading caused LIRC to die
[18:41:36] Cyburai: well, I am unsure, can you halep me verify that?
[18:43:00] liran: uhmm, are you still loading the module? in /etc/modprobe.d/alias there should be something like "alias-char-major ..."
[18:44:28] Cyburai: in my /etc/modprobe.conf I have the following
[18:44:32] Cyburai: alias char-major-81 ivtv
[18:44:42] Cyburai: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[18:45:19] liran: ok. check lsmod, is lirc_i2c module loaded?
[18:45:55] Cyburai: no, I haven't been able to get it to load
[18:46:30] liran: ok give me some data, im shooting in the dark
[18:46:48] liran: are you getting an error message? did you check /var/log/syslog / dmesg / var/log/messages for anything useful?
[18:48:31] Cyburai: well, from what I can tell, it seems that the lirc RPM from apt is not installing the proper stuff. I tried rolling my own rpm from the source, but that didn't work either.
[18:49:00] liran: how about recompiling the module from source
[18:49:01] liran: ?
[18:49:13] Cyburai: SO I tried downloading the source (v8) and compiling it, but no luck there either
[18:49:23] Cyburai: it dies during make
[18:49:36] liran: show me the error message?
[18:49:50] liran: s/?//
[18:49:50] Cyburai: I remember when I set my box up originally (last year) I had to compile to get lirc to go in as well
[18:49:53] Cyburai: ok, one moment
[18:51:51] Cyburai: ok, using the guided config here... choosing driver config -> TV Card -> hauppage tv card (new i2c layer required)
[18:52:18] liran: ok good, continue.
[18:52:24] Cyburai: software config -> compile tools for x windows
[18:52:39] Cyburai: ok, running config
[18:53:16] Cyburai: ok, config ran fine, only message was "You will have to use the lirc_i2c kernel module"
[18:53:22] Cyburai: I expected that
[18:53:30] Cyburai: running make
[18:53:41] liran: yeah
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[18:54:41] Cyburai: hmmm, got a fav web clipboard so I cna paste the resulting failure? I'ts kinda big
[18:54:49] liran: lol ok
[18:54:54] liran: umm, pastebin.com or something
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[18:55:48] Cyburai: http://pastebin.com/696657
[18:56:41] liran: ok i have a fix for it
[18:56:46] Cyburai: sweet
[18:56:51] Cyburai: does it involve a hammer?
[18:56:56] Cyburai: :P
[18:56:59] liran: hehe
[18:57:17] liran: ok fire up nano or vi or your favorite editor and open up drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c
[18:58:02] Cyburai: please ejoomahkate me
[18:58:17] liran: what?
[18:58:26] Cyburai: k, got it open
[18:58:32] liran: ok.
[18:58:40] liran: go to line 363 you should see something like name: , id: and some other tag beneath it.
[18:58:44] liran: you see it?
[18:58:52] Cyburai: one sec, scrolling
[19:00:22] Cyburai: " id: I2C_DRIVERID_EXP3, /* FIXME */"
[19:00:33] liran: great your on the spot
[19:00:36] liran: delete this entire line.
[19:00:50] liran: but there's also something like "name: blablabla"
[19:00:54] liran: delete that line too.
[19:01:23] liran: you done?
[19:02:02] Cyburai: yes, the line above it is "name: "i2c ir driver"
[19:02:04] Cyburai: k, deleted
[19:02:08] Cyburai: ready
[19:02:10] liran: wait
[19:02:21] liran: what else you have there that resembles id: and name:
[19:03:04] Cyburai: this is the section where the lines you told me to find appeared...
[19:03:12] Cyburai: static struct i2c_driver driver = {
[19:03:12] Cyburai: flags: I2C_DF_NOTIFY,
[19:03:13] Cyburai: attach_adapter: ir_probe,
[19:03:13] Cyburai: detach_client: ir_detach,
[19:03:13] Cyburai: command: ir_command,
[19:03:15] Cyburai: };
[19:03:26] liran: ahh ok good
[19:03:41] liran: i *think* you should also delete flags: but dont delete it yet, lets try to compile and see what happens
[19:03:46] Cyburai: there is a section below that has a "name: "unset" in it
[19:03:47] liran: save and exit
[19:03:52] Cyburai: ok
[19:04:08] liran: then go to /root/lirc-0.8.0
[19:04:13] Cyburai: should I make clean first?
[19:04:14] liran: type: make clean && make
[19:04:15] Cyburai: ok
[19:04:20] liran: yeah, and tell me if you still get errors.
[19:05:30] Cyburai: two errors...
[19:05:33] Cyburai: error: unknown field ‘flags’ specified in initializer
[19:05:34] Cyburai: error: ‘I2C_DF_NOTIFY’ undeclared here (not in a function)
[19:05:50] liran: right so delete that flags: also
[19:05:56] liran: then try again.
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[19:07:04] Cyburai: whoo hoo (Homer Simpson jump and yell!)
[19:07:16] liran: heh
[19:07:24] liran: tell me if it works out good for you
[19:08:09] Cyburai: the module inserted
[19:08:27] Cyburai: unfortunately, the box is about 35 miles away and I am ssh'd in
[19:08:32] Cyburai: so I can't test it completely
[19:08:37] Cyburai: but..
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[19:08:58] liran: heh cool
[19:09:14] Cyburai: hmmm, /usr/bin/irw gives me a "connection refused" error
[19:09:21] liran: right
[19:09:29] liran: show me `ls -al /dev/lirc*`
[19:10:19] Cyburai: oh wait, im a moron
[19:10:32] liran: you didnt run lircd right? :P
[19:10:33] Cyburai: I didn't restart /etc/init.d/lirc
[19:10:34] Cyburai: hehe
[19:10:39] liran: yeah i figured
[19:10:54] Cyburai: now I get "00000000000017b6 00 Stop grayHauppauge"
[19:10:57] Cyburai: so it's working
[19:11:01] Cyburai: schweet
[19:11:02] liran: cool :)
[19:11:08] Cyburai: my gf will be very happy
[19:11:21] Cyburai: she likes it simple
[19:11:25] liran: btw it may happen to you after a reboot that youd have to symlink lircd like this: ln -s /dev/lircd /dev/lirc or something like this, so keep it in mind.
[19:11:27] Cyburai: she's a freaking Luddite
[19:11:35] liran: hah
[19:12:13] Cyburai: no, seriously, she was raised in this weird religion like the Quakers, she left the church n stuff but still isn't real fond of technology
[19:12:40] Cyburai: so she's living with a computer guy, strange world
[19:12:50] liran: i'd say
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[19:14:17] Cyburai: she's a music freak though and mythmusic made a convert out of her, plus she can "Tivo" Grey's Anatomy. So she's happy now.
[19:14:17] Ediehow: the weirdest thing, mythtv has been starting out of the blue the last few days
[19:14:27] Ediehow: like, it just did it
[19:14:34] Cyburai: starting itself?
[19:14:47] Ediehow: yes
[19:14:49] Ediehow: it just did it again
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[19:15:20] Cyburai: ok, stupid question but... waht changed? did you run an update? install something new?
[19:15:30] Ediehow: it may be tied to yum update a few days ago
[19:15:36] Ediehow: i don't know if new myth packages are doing something funny
[19:16:42] Jasoka: does svn install overwrite system ffmpeg libraries or are they put into mythtv specific location?
[19:17:06] Ediehow: bbl
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[19:17:19] xrothgarx: can anyone help me set up mythtv on ubuntu 6.06? I am seriously debating a tivo because I have been trying to get mythtv to work with my card for such a long time
[19:17:32] xrothgarx: I would just hate to give up when I feel I am close
[19:18:01] Cyburai: what card xrothgarx
[19:18:02] Cyburai: ?
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[19:18:21] xrothgarx: fusion HDTV 5 gold plus
[19:18:23] Cyburai: liran – thanks a LOT
[19:18:41] Cyburai: well, where do you get stuck?
[19:18:45] liran: np Cyburai, glad i could be of service.
[19:19:19] xrothgarx: here is the first part of the error I get when i run mythtv-setup http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13349
[19:19:58] xrothgarx: it goes to the first screen and then just crashes, I am not sure why it cannot connect to the db but i know the db name it is using is not the one I gave it to use in the setup screen
[19:20:58] Cyburai: my advice would be to reinstall the backend and name the database 'mythconverg'
[19:21:12] Cyburai: there's really no reason to rename it that I can think of
[19:21:20] xrothgarx: how do I do that?
[19:21:22] Jasoka: let's put this other way around – is myth able to use shared libavcodec if that is left out of the build?
[19:21:54] xrothgarx: so far every time I have come to a problem I don't know enough to reinstall certain parts so I end up reformatting and reinstalling everything
[19:21:56] gardengnome: Jasoka: they're put into a myth specific location. or to be more specific, they're name mythavcodec, iirc
[19:22:25] gardengnome: Jasoka: and i think you'll run into problems if you try to use your distro's libavcodec
[19:22:55] xrothgarx: it is kinda depressing to get it almost there and have a error that google doesn't show results for, and then to spend the next 2 hours reinstalling and updating
[19:23:08] Cyburai: xrothgarx, I would suggest apt-get remove myth* than apt-get install myth*
[19:23:24] Cyburai: it should pull everything it needs
[19:23:58] Cyburai: than I would suggest this – http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[19:24:04] Jasoka: gardengnome: thanks for the info :)
[19:24:08] Cyburai: it's a complete install guide for mythtv on ubuntu
[19:24:39] Cyburai: I love ubuntu and use it at home for my workstations, but my myth is on fedora for reasons unrelated
[19:25:07] xrothgarx: ya i saw that walkthrough but leaned away from it when i saw it was for a DVB card
[19:25:19] xrothgarx: i guess a ntsc isn't any better
[19:25:53] Cyburai: well, ignore the dvb part
[19:26:09] Cyburai: ubuntu should find and install the needed things for your card
[19:26:40] xrothgarx: ya, the card is supposed to be supported with the 2.6.15 kernel (which is what I was excited about)
[19:26:59] xrothgarx: but all the errors have left me with nothing still
[19:28:24] Cyburai: well, is your cable hooked up to your card right now?
[19:28:57] xrothgarx: yes (I am rdp'ing from work) but i know it is
[19:29:37] Cyburai: under your /dev, do you have any entries like "video0, video1" etc?
[19:31:03] xrothgarx: si senor (video0)
[19:31:38] Cyburai: ok, do this, "cat /dev/video0 > /home/<your home>/test.mpg"
[19:31:52] Cyburai: after a second hit control c
[19:31:58] Cyburai: so it doesn't get huge
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[19:33:56] xrothgarx: it made the video but the player could not determin the type of stream
[19:34:10] liran: im watching matrix revolutions
[19:34:17] Cyburai: xrothgarx, did you scp it to where you are?
[19:34:21] liran: i never get tired of this trilogy, the best i've seen
[19:34:34] Cyburai: liran – sweet
[19:34:57] xrothgarx: no (i'm not sure how I could do that)
[19:35:05] liran: yeah
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[19:35:34] Cyburai: scp <your username>@<your ip>:/home/<your home>/test.mpg .
[19:35:51] gardengnome: yafc is BTW a very nice command line sftp client.
[19:37:50] xris: gardengnome: too bad it's not included with fedora...
[19:38:24] xris: will have to see how hard it is to compile a package
[19:38:39] xrothgarx: it just told me "usage: scp <list of peramaters>"
[19:38:52] gardengnome: xris: sad. it's in ubuntu universe.
[19:39:11] xris: gardengnome: fedora is just starting to learn how to have a good package repository
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[19:39:55] gardengnome: xris: i hope it's not too late for them ;)
[19:42:57] xris: gardengnome: businesses are still using fedora/centos/redhat... I don't really know of any that use ubuntu — if they use .deb stuff, it's debian.
[19:43:39] gardengnome: xris: i think ubuntu is a bit hyped, anyways.
[19:43:51] xris: I didn't like it when I used it
[19:44:04] gardengnome: i liked it when i used it first. but now i'm not so fond of it anymore
[19:44:08] xris: but much of that is because I like the way that redhat organizes a lot of things
[19:44:14] xris: gardengnome: that's exactly how I felt
[19:44:17] gardengnome: i've tried pcbsd today. that's fun, too, but probably just not the right thing for me
[19:44:34] xris: I keep going back and forth between gnome and kde, too
[19:44:38] xrothgarx: ok I am ftping it to my server and I will dl it from there
[19:44:44] xrothgarx: (the long way but I can still get it
[19:45:15] gardengnome: yep. it's about time for me to go back to fluxbox. gnome is being turned into a DE for complete idiots (for god's sake, where can i change the password for my samba shares there?!) and KDe feels bloated.
[19:45:20] xris: xrothgarx: scp + bash-completion + ssh agent will give you tab-complete on remote files
[19:46:06] gardengnome: yeah, or yafc. :)
[19:46:10] xris: I like kde, but there are a few bugs that seriously interrupt my workflow... the new gnome is pretty spry, but I don't use things like nautilus
[19:46:36] gardengnome: xris: the only thing is really enjoy is konqueror. i really love those kioslaves
[19:47:20] xris: yeah, konq is nice.
[19:47:35] xris: I don't use graphical file browsing anymore, though... faster for me to navigate on the console.
[19:48:18] gardengnome: i was fasted with microsoft's explorer ;)
[19:49:55] xrothgarx: ok the test.mpg is a 10mb file that doesnt play with videoLAN on my desktop either (the progress bar goes but there is no audio or video)
[19:50:17] Cyburai: xrothgarx, when you get that file, try to play it with mplayer or xine
[19:50:25] Cyburai: ok, then you probably dont have the proper drivers installed
[19:50:42] xris: Cyburai: if vlc won't play it, something's wrong
[19:50:57] Cyburai: I agree
[19:51:15] xrothgarx: at least I know i'm just not crazy
[19:51:17] xrothgarx: :)
[19:52:23] Cyburai: is there a binary driver for your card on linux?
[19:52:34] xris: is there any driver for that card in linux?
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[19:53:11] xrothgarx: as far as i know some people have been able to get it to work using the DVB driver because it was the same chipset http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html
[19:53:32] xrothgarx: http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html here is the faq about it on the manufacuters website
[19:53:42] xris: xrothgarx: what are you connecting it to? (antenna or qam)
[19:53:58] xrothgarx: i have tried both
[19:54:05] xrothgarx: right now it is qam
[19:54:38] xrothgarx: qam is what I would like ultimatly (because I get like 400 unencrypted channels using windows)
[19:54:41] xris: and do you know that your cable signal is not encrypted?
[19:54:45] xris: ah, ok
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[19:55:42] xrothgarx: ya the card works great in windows, but who wants to use that ;) and my spare computer cannot handle windows with hdtv (p4 1.7 with 256 ram and nvidia 6200)
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[19:56:17] xrothgarx: WMCE needs at least 512 ram for HD and they recommend like a 3.0 ghz
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[19:56:42] xris: actuall, you need a min of 2ghz to decode hd content
[19:56:50] xris: 3ghz is nice for 1080i
[19:56:52] GreyFoxx: xrothgarx: Whwere are you located ?
[19:56:56] Cyburai: I do it with 1.8 and it's fine
[19:57:08] xrothgarx: so cal (arcadia)
[19:57:12] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[19:57:15] xris: Cyburai: depends on the video card and proc... my 2.4 can't do it at all
[19:57:45] xrothgarx: ya i bought the best video card i could find that would fit in my case (low rise agp)
[19:57:56] Cyburai: god, mine's a 3 year old Intel MB with 512 ram and a hauppage250 and an nvidia 5200 and it FLIES
[19:58:22] Cyburai: of course, I stripped the os WAAAY down
[19:58:39] xris: Cyburai: asus pundit, SiS video card... video just can't handle it
[19:58:45] Cyburai: I only have the kernel + xfce + myth
[19:58:55] xrothgarx: so I need to look into why the driver isn't installed for the card then?
[19:59:29] Cyburai: exactly xrothgarx
[19:59:51] Cyburai: get that resolved, then do a clean install of myth
[20:00:26] Zider: xrothgarx: hm, I recognize that name rothgar.. where is it from?
[20:00:39] Cyburai: then go through the setup
[20:01:37] krope32: Hey everyone, I have a problem with my box. I think that ivtv is not recognizing my pvr-150 correctly. I cant remember how to force it to know that it is a pvr-150. anyone know?
[20:02:39] krope32: When i type lspci -v I get Hauppauge computer works Inc.: Unknown device 8003. How can I force it to recognize the correct card?
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[20:03:34] xrothgarx: Zider: rothgar is from the story beowulf (13th warrior movie)
[20:03:41] xrothgarx: it was actually spelt Hrothgar
[20:03:49] Zider: xrothgarx: aahh, I've seen the movie! now I remember :D
[20:03:51] xrothgarx: but silent H's are dumb
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[20:04:19] xris: xrothgarx: since when is it silent?
[20:05:01] Zider: xrothgarx: hey, did you know they're doing a new beowulf movie?
[20:05:23] xrothgarx: ya, angelina jolie is supposed to be in it (or do a voice or something)
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[20:05:54] Zider: yeah.. and anthony hopkins
[20:06:26] xrothgarx: http://imdb.com/title/tt0442933/
[20:06:29] kormoc: 13th warrior was the story of beowulf?
[20:06:30] Dug02: how do I change my global tv contrast in myth? "g" seems to be only a channel by channel basis
[20:06:40] xrothgarx: it was loosly based
[20:06:53] xrothgarx: but for the most part it was there
[20:06:57] xris: very loosely....
[20:07:10] kormoc: huh, fair nuff
[20:07:19] krope32: Can I edit my modlues.conf to tell it which card I have?
[20:07:27] krope32: tuner type right?
[20:07:40] xris: Dug02: I don't think there's a way other than manually setting it in the db
[20:08:09] Cyburai: yeah, beowulf with an arab, played by a spanish guy, with a spanish accent, wow
[20:08:10] Dug02: solid
[20:08:15] xrothgarx: well thank you all for your help, I guess I am off to the ubuntu chat room to try and figure out why my card isn't installed correctly
[20:09:06] Dug02: so if i enable Xv controls and it wont move up and down, that means Xv isnt supported fro my Graphics card?
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[20:12:45] xrothgarx: haha, I just realized that links I gave you guys earlier to my cards manufacturer were totaly wrong (I was trying to copy/paste from the machine I am on to this box) here are the links http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/ < to the driver and http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Support/Defau . . . =26&pg=1 to the manufacturers faq about linux
[20:15:40] Cyburai: xrothgarx, go to http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/ and follow the directions in the first post to install your driver properly.
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[20:23:41] corpix: hi, where do i set up a "user job" ?
[20:23:51] corpix: i would like to transcode recordings into a smaller divx
[20:23:58] Dug02: xris: what is the db field for global contrast?
[20:24:05] xris: Dug02: DESCRIBE channel;
[20:26:19] Dug02: xris: that appears to only be a table by table field... I would have to do UPDATE channel SET contrast=xxx is there no global value?
[20:26:33] Dug02: row by row I mean
[20:26:55] kormoc: Dug02, if you give no WHERE statement, it updates every row
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[20:27:41] Dug02: kormoc: umm yeah... so no global field
[20:27:52] xris: Dug02: no, there is no global override
[20:27:57] kormoc: well, it means you don't need to do it row by row...
[20:28:15] Dug02: kormoc: yeah thats why I wrote it without a where
[20:28:43] xrothgarx: Cyburai: thanks again for your help, I will work on getting that driver installed (right now I think my boss is getting suspicious of me not doing work...hehe)
[20:28:49] Cyburai: ok
[20:29:34] Dug02: kormoc: you jumped in late... xris mentioned a global field I couldnt find it. so it turns out global is update all channels
[20:30:04] kormoc: fair nuff
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[20:36:31] corpix: hi, i have a problem recording shows, only some of the shows in the schedule get recorded.
[20:36:36] corpix: how could i fix this ?
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[20:39:30] corpix: anyone please ?
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[20:41:47] corpix: kormoc: could you take a sec ?
[20:42:36] kormoc: hrm?
[20:43:20] corpix: i set up a show to record, but it wont be recorded
[20:43:25] corpix: no conflicts at all
[20:43:31] kormoc: what's the log say?
[20:43:46] corpix: i dunno, it's over
[20:43:58] kormoc: well, might want to check the log file and see
[20:44:02] corpix: i tried to delete this entry, and reset it
[20:44:13] Dug02: so I set every channels contrast to a good level now I get this wierd effect of pixilation of dark areas of the screen
[20:44:16] corpix: i can't even remove it from the schedule
[20:45:35] corpix: kormoc: is there a save way to clean the schedule and reset it manually ?
[20:45:52] corpix: e.g. remove entries in table "record"
[20:46:15] kormoc: sure, DELETE FROM record WHERE title = "blah" might do it
[20:47:29] corpix: does it have wildcards ?
[20:47:40] corpix: WHERE title = "Star*"?
[20:47:49] corpix: what is a wildcard in mysql ?
[20:48:14] kormoc: %
[20:48:16] gardengnome: % i suppose
[20:48:19] kormoc: but use LIKE
[20:48:28] kormoc: WHERE title LIKE "Star%"
[20:48:34] corpix: ok, good
[20:48:42] corpix: thanks guys
[20:48:59] corpix: gonna run mythbackend with --verbose all to get debug info
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[20:58:42] Dug02: if I change the the contrast... I get a pixilation ... if I reset them all back to 32767 then no pixilation?
[20:59:29] corpix: btw, is it recommended to use "utf-8" in my.cnf ?
[20:59:40] corpix: i got wierd chars on client side
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[21:03:46] gardengnome: hi Juski
[21:03:51] Juski: hi gardengnome
[21:03:55] Juski: how's things?
[21:04:02] stuarta: hi Juski
[21:04:11] Juski: just uploadering projectgrayhem-wide1.3c
[21:04:14] Juski: hi stuarta
[21:04:22] gardengnome: Juski: uh, smurfy. and for you?
[21:04:25] gardengnome: Juski: http://maniacxs3.homelinux.net/LinuxTAG%202006/
[21:04:34] _nero_: hi Juski ;)
[21:04:58] Juski: linuxtag is onm already?!
[21:05:44] Juski: hi _nero_
[21:06:21] gardengnome: Juski: yep
[21:06:38] stuarta: how go the lugradio prep?
[21:06:40] Juski: oh come on shitty upload.. NTL are upgrading us 2Mb peeps to 4Mb in June – bet we still get stuck with the awful upload pipe
[21:06:50] scopeuk: Juski congrats again on project grayhem
[21:06:54] scopeuk: very nice skin
[21:07:00] gardengnome: stop complaining, i've gotta upload another 680mb tonight
[21:07:19] Juski: scopeuk: enough about my complexion already. what's my theme like? :-P
[21:07:33] scopeuk: Juski bulldog took there connection 16 meg (withing 30cm of the telco)
[21:07:37] scopeuk: ;-)
[21:07:55] scopeuk: we all get to suffer with ntls unpassably crap upload
[21:08:04] gardengnome: how fast is it?
[21:08:04] Juski: bullshit DSL? good luck getting support if you ever need it fella :-P
[21:08:13] Juski: 256k
[21:08:26] gardengnome: i have 128k, so shut up already ;)
[21:08:37] scopeuk: i get 100k and thats if im lucky
[21:08:39] scopeuk: 2meg is 200k
[21:08:50] Juski: oops
[21:08:59] scopeuk: 10 meg pps (with big wallets) teir get 512kb
[21:09:26] Juski: it's all about the downloading.
[21:09:26] scopeuk: unfurtunately i spent far to much time on cable forum eg up till about a month ago i had read every post in the ntl braudband section
[21:09:37] scopeuk: id settle for a 1/1 mb connectionb
[21:09:41] xrothgarx: I downloaded the tree -> bz2 from http://linuxtv.org/hg/~pascoe/v4l-dvb?cmd=summary;style=gitweb but I cannot untar it, is there something else I am supposed to do with it?
[21:09:56] Juski: to hear some people ntl are the dvil – but I've only ever been offline for like 2 hours in the 6 years I've been with them
[21:11:17] scopeuk: yeh ive got friends at school who complain about the stability one in paticular but i seam to remmeber only having issues for a few hours in the 5–6 years ive been with em
[21:11:23] scopeuk: and the dial up was solid as a rock before that
[21:11:30] Juski: here we go – hope I've not borked the PG website Coume revamped...
[21:11:45] scopeuk: backups juski ;-)
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[21:12:14] Juski: gardengnome: why is VDR's display covered in a poncho? or is it just a bunch of wavy lines? :-P
[21:13:19] scopeuk: http://maniacxs3.homelinux.net/LinuxTAG%202006/imgp3028.jpg thats kinda like my rom only with less displays and fewer error messengers
[21:13:50] scopeuk: get thousands of the damn things whileever my tv card is active
[21:15:13] Juski: yay – my text editor html editing is still bang up to scratch :)
[21:15:46] scopeuk: oh editing html with text editors they were the days
[21:15:52] ** Juski _might_ be able to borrow a big monitor for the lugradio show! **
[21:16:02] Juski: a projector would be better but hey...
[21:16:52] scopeuk: heh projectors are all over now
[21:17:01] ** Juski looks at the photos of the linuxtag stand & gets some more ideas **
[21:17:08] scopeuk: in a cupple of years ther e wil lbe a load of passable xga ones up for cheep
[21:17:21] Juski: I'll need to be borrowing the a3 laser at work again
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[21:18:19] scopeuk: heh yeh we occasionaly borrow the continuos laser they have at my dads work
[21:18:23] scopeuk: fun little printer that is
[21:18:29] Juski: continuous?
[21:18:37] Juski: fancy printing out a banner? :-D
[21:18:54] corpix: kormoc: how would one sort channel table for "Source ID" ?
[21:18:54] Juski: I'll pay for postage
[21:18:55] scopeuk: :-)
[21:19:11] scopeuk: i whould if i thought i could get away with it
[21:20:25] Juski: gardengnome: I'm very proud all of a sudden
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[21:20:49] scopeuk: heh apparently some opf you loyal followers are willign to kill to protect there myth boxen
[21:20:58] Juski: ach well I'll just stitch some a3 prints together
[21:24:31] scopeuk: sorry to make it worse but its continuose at a1 long side wide
[21:24:57] Juski: a1 is good
[21:25:07] Juski: roll it up & pop it in the post ;-)
[21:25:25] scopeuk: lol
[21:25:32] scopeuk: liek i say if i thought i could get away with it
[21:25:41] Juski: I've asked our marketing dept. at work how much the big displays cost we use for exhibitions... erm...
[21:25:55] Juski: I can't even afford a cardboard stickup
[21:26:11] scopeuk: its insane
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[21:27:58] Juski: just starting to make up a list of what I need to do for July.. it's getting long
[21:28:02] Juski: wb, stuarta
[21:28:54] scopeuk: hm where is the expo Juski?
[21:29:36] Juski: scopeuk: sunny wolverhampton
[21:30:34] scopeuk: lol
[21:30:59] scopeuk: only 2 hours away
[21:31:01] scopeuk: interesting
[21:31:03] Juski: in the student union
[21:31:21] Juski: that's given me another idea actually
[21:31:30] Juski: nah I wouldn't wanna get swamped
[21:32:34] Juski: we're not really seriously talking about having a mythfest... bring a system & install myth there.. lol
[21:32:58] scopeuk: heh id volenteer one of mine but were trying to encoruage people
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[21:33:04] the-FoX: helloo
[21:33:10] scopeuk: you on your own?
[21:33:12] Juski: hey the-Fox. how's linuxtag?
[21:33:22] the-FoX: stress :)
[21:33:29] the-FoX: many people are interested
[21:33:36] Juski: scopeuk – nah – I'm gonna be with Coume – founder of the mythtvtalk forum
[21:33:47] scopeuk: ill stay out the way then
[21:33:52] scopeuk: dont wanna look liek a complet prat
[21:33:55] the-FoX: so i didn't find any time to have a look at the other booths
[21:33:56] scopeuk: might come alongto the even though
[21:34:01] stuarta: looks like my adsl regrade just went through
[21:34:05] scopeuk: event thought*
[21:34:23] the-FoX: who is daniel who coded some DVB stuff for myth?
[21:34:26] stuarta: appears to be running ~7mb downstream, better than 512k
[21:34:44] Juski: stuarta: niiiice
[21:34:55] stuarta: considering I asked for 1Mb :)
[21:35:07] Juski: the-FoX: daniel? he did a bit more than 'coded some DVB stuff'
[21:35:09] scopeuk: very nice
[21:35:19] scopeuk: they'll "fix" it soem tie thn back charge you
[21:35:47] ** Juski is dreading having to answer tricky techy questions from people with beards at the show, though **
[21:35:57] xrothgarx: where are these myth events? and how would i find out more about them? I really would want to come and get this build once and for all
[21:36:00] stuarta: sure they will, probably just speed testing the line. wouldn't stay up at almost 8Mb
[21:36:18] Juski: xrothgarx: linuxtag is Germany – www.linuxtag.org I think
[21:36:32] Juski: and I'll be at lugradiolive2006 in wolverhampron, UK
[21:36:53] Juski: AFAIK there's not been any serious action in other parts of the world for a while
[21:37:04] xrothgarx: damn, that doesn't help me at all
[21:37:07] scopeuk: Juski ill be the anoying guy with the beard
[21:37:09] scopeuk: (if i can get)
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[21:39:35] scopeuk: heh your on the exibitors list Juski
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[21:39:49] scopeuk: well as a group not you byy name
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[21:40:45] Juski: should be a good session.. I mean erm.. show
[21:41:05] hd420: is there any sort of verbose mode with mythfilldatabase? --help doesn't show any (0.19)
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[21:41:10] scopeuk: its a student union read cheep beer
[21:41:54] adante: there's no limit on the number of tuners you can have is there?
[21:41:59] adante: some guys telling me there's a limit of 4
[21:42:08] scopeuk: how many pci slots and usb ports u got
[21:42:11] hd420: adante: hardware?
[21:42:21] stuarta: there was, but daniel removed it last week
[21:42:27] adante: hd420: in myth, he's telling me myth won't allow more than 4
[21:42:35] stuarta: also some kernel drivers limit you to 4 of the same sort of card.
[21:42:43] hd420: adante: how many would you like to use?
[21:43:03] Juski: I don't think there's any limit if you have slave backends
[21:43:05] adante: hd420: oh my hardware.. p4, asus p4s800 mobo,
[21:43:15] hd420: adante: how many tuners?
[21:43:24] kormoc: adante, the limit is int(10), which is 9,999,999,999
[21:43:24] Juski: the tunerid column in the database can hold four digits I think (!)
[21:43:28] adante: hd420: well i use 3, and i'm happy with 3, i was just a bit surprised when he said myth only allows 4
[21:43:49] adante: kormoc: that little eh..
[21:44:14] adante: sorry, i should qualify – only a single backend?
[21:44:37] Juski: adante: these days you'd be lucky to find a motherboard with as many as 3 PCI slots
[21:44:42] kormoc: adante, and with a simple MODIFY TABLE line you can upthat to say, 18446744073709551615
[21:45:05] kormoc: adante, nah, there's no per backend limit hardcoded into myth, it's all dependant on your hardware
[21:45:18] kormoc: adante, he might have a limit of 4 due to harddrive speed or what not
[21:46:17] Juski: even 4 HDTV tuners might not tax a modern machine too much.. unless you do a lot of commflagging
[21:46:24] stuarta: 8mm is a strange film....
[21:47:27] scopeuk: 8mm rocks
[21:47:35] ** scopeuk is biased i have lots of 8mm gear **
[21:47:41] scopeuk: and im resoably competant with it
[21:47:50] scopeuk: you guys have some big plans for summer of code
[21:48:04] scopeuk: a windows port i mean wow litraly just wow
[21:48:06] ** Juski has done some cool stuff with an 8mm cine camera & a single-frame release gadget ;-) **
[21:48:16] Juski: a windows port?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[21:48:28] scopeuk: its on the summer of code page
[21:48:31] scopeuk: bboth back and front end
[21:48:34] Juski: I know
[21:48:39] scopeuk: front end i could understand but backend is jsut dumb
[21:48:52] scopeuk: you read that page?
[21:49:01] Juski: imagine the kind of dopey questions the forums & this channel will be flooded with...
[21:49:12] Juski: I mean much much more than now!
[21:49:39] adante: windows frontend would be awesome :]
[21:49:44] ** scopeuk see #mythtv-windows-dumbass **
[21:49:55] scopeuk: windows frontend i liek backedn is jsut dumb
[21:50:11] Juski: I could see mythtv forking if it ever happens
[21:50:13] scopeuk: and jsut to point out not all of us windows peeps are retarded twelve year olds
[21:50:22] scopeuk: what even if it is jsut front end?
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[21:50:30] Juski: scopeuk: there are a lot of 40+ retarded windows users too
[21:50:31] stuarta: the bot would need to randomly swing the trout around more often
[21:50:58] scopeuk: oh god that whould need a password
[21:51:06] scopeuk: be done once then down goes the system that hanndles the bot
[21:51:06] Juski: to get a feel of how incompetent people are, take a look at www.tv-cards.com/messageboard
[21:51:31] scopeuk: i go to school with 200 people who dont know hwo to install ms office on win xp in an admin account
[21:51:32] Juski: "help, me got tv tunner, and it not worky. I clicked on the thing, but it not load"
[21:51:48] scopeuk: server is ofline
[21:52:09] Juski: don't have nightmares.. ;-)
[21:52:14] scopeuk: xris i rearly do fell for you taking on summer of code peoples
[21:52:24] fozi: I don't think a windows backend makes sense before porting to qt4. and that will not happen that fast
[21:52:34] gardengnome: you fell for them? nice. gonna get married soon?
[21:52:41] scopeuk: Juski right now my mind is too bogged down with ict coursework to worry about that atm
[21:52:42] Juski: I think I'm starting to realise how much of an elitist I've become since joining the linux fraternity
[21:52:55] scopeuk: feel*
[21:53:02] gardengnome: Juski: same for me. but hey. it's just a bunch of whiney idiots
[21:53:04] scopeuk: gardengnome dont make me come ver there ;-)
[21:53:08] Juski: picking up the cluebat was the best thing I ever did, IMHO
[21:53:25] gardengnome: scopeuk: i bet you couldn't read the road signs anyways ;)
[21:53:26] scopeuk: i setled for a baseball bat and a few cds
[21:53:35] scopeuk: gardengnome which ones ?
[21:53:44] scopeuk: my reading is fine but my typign sucks ass
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[21:53:48] scopeuk: typing*
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[21:54:25] scopeuk: i can however navigate itrw back streats of france cross country in the middle of the night wit ha map boo kadn a torch
[21:54:29] scopeuk: we made it on time
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[21:55:44] gardengnome: parse error
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[21:55:51] gardengnome: sorry, but i really can't read it :/
[21:56:51] scopeuk: sod it cat /thoughts/out /irc/client_send
[21:57:05] scopeuk: missed a bit of santex damn it
[21:57:18] scopeuk: oh well i tried im tired and cafine deprived
[21:58:28] Juski: better than being kaffeine depraved :-P
[21:59:07] Juski: oh jesus. since when was 1GB RAM not enough to do shit in photoshop?
[21:59:28] gardengnome: Juski: well, i thought 512MB was enough to use firefox.
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[22:00:32] scopeuk: remind me who owns photoshop
[22:01:08] scopeuk: adobe therfore it will load slowly and consume ram at a phonominal rate ala all adobe products
[22:01:15] scopeuk: acrobat is the perfect example
[22:01:35] scopeuk: it does the same job as my reader but takes 10 – 20 tiems longer to open a document
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[22:02:17] gardengnome: it's a shame that .pdf is so popular.
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[22:03:14] scopeuk: its a shame adobes client is so shit
[22:03:25] scopeuk: reader*
[22:03:26] stuarta: IPStream Max??? wtf is that....
[22:03:40] scopeuk: where is it from?
[22:04:06] scopeuk: normaly that sort of message on my scream might as well say you borked it! but furtunately most of you are alot better than me
[22:04:10] stuarta: the underlying marketing speak for my adsl regrade...
[22:04:12] Juski: IPStream? that's a BT service, AFAIK
[22:04:27] gardengnome: night guys, it's bed time ;)
[22:04:28] stuarta: yeah I left out the BT
[22:04:45] scopeuk: think im with gardengnome on that one time to sleap
[22:04:46] Juski: night gardengnome. you guard the goldfish mind ;-)
[22:04:52] scopeuk: well watch the end of matrix then sleep
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[22:05:07] stuarta: watch? what do you think myth is for???
[22:05:27] Juski: watch the matrix revolutions AND sleep – that's my deal
[22:05:35] Juski: Zzzz. wtf was all that about anyway?
[22:05:58] stuarta: bah, I'm recording it + MI 2 to watch later....
[22:06:41] Juski: ntl programme guide has it as MI: 3 (!)
[22:07:10] stuarta: since 3 only opens tommorrow at the cinemas, I doubt that....
[22:07:43] Juski: heh I know.. was only saying...
[22:08:07] stuarta: we all know ntl is crap....
[22:10:08] stuarta: well IPStream Max is just the funky name for 8Mb/448k(home)/832k(office) ADSL
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[22:12:38] nooby_god: I was wondering is there a simple distrobution out there, that whole purpsose is to install MythTV painlessly?
[22:12:52] nooby_god: or should I just do emerge mythTV on a fresh gentoo install?
[22:12:56] xrothgarx: knoppmyth mysettopbox.tv
[22:13:07] xrothgarx: it is based off of debian
[22:13:20] Juski: or mythdora
[22:13:24] nooby_god: is it compatible with debian packages?
[22:13:51] xrothgarx: as far as i know it is but i never messed around with the debian side of things
[22:14:34] Juski: since when was installing mythtv ever painful anyway?
[22:14:38] ** Juski gets his coat **
[22:14:46] nooby_god: well, I've never installed it
[22:15:26] nooby_god: and I was wondering, if I install Myth TV do I need digital TV?
[22:15:30] nooby_god: or is normal cable good
[22:15:42] xrothgarx: whoa, mythtv has been nothing but painful for me
[22:16:07] Juski: nooby_god: without knowing what country you live in...
[22:16:11] xrothgarx: I have been working on it for over a year with 2 different capture cards and 3 different distributions of linux
[22:16:11] nooby_god: Canada
[22:16:22] xrothgarx: I have yet to watch live tv through mythtv :(
[22:16:42] Juski: it'd be good to go for digital cos analogue is being killed off all over the world
[22:16:48] Juski: but it depends what you want
[22:16:56] Juski: what do you want?
[22:17:26] nooby_god: to watch it, and to use that XML-TV data for finding out when shows are, and maybe recording
[22:17:35] nooby_god: I'd record once in a while
[22:18:29] Juski: myth is more likely to change your viewing habits
[22:18:39] Juski: everything gets recorded – well everything you watch in live tv anyway
[22:18:52] Juski: don't be a slave to TV schedules ;-)
[22:19:03] Juski: thats the _whole point_
[22:19:05] nooby_god: ok
[22:19:11] nooby_god: but will XML-TV work?
[22:19:19] nooby_god: or will I still need TV-Guide or something?
[22:19:30] Juski: the TV guide in mythtv is based on xmltv
[22:19:46] nooby_god: ok
[22:20:02] GreyFoxx: noody: Being in Canada you would use DataDirect from zap2it
[22:20:03] Juski: I think you need to read a FAQ – but I dunno how basic the questions get (no offence intended)
[22:20:04] GreyFoxx: not xmltv
[22:20:19] nooby_god: that exlplains a lot GreyFoxx
[22:21:26] GreyFoxx: xmltv for northamerica just screenscraped zap2it's site and fed it back to mythtv in an xml format
[22:21:40] GreyFoxx: but zap2it provides their own XML feed we cna grab directly
[22:21:46] nooby_god: ok
[22:21:53] nooby_god: will this data work with analoge TV?
[22:21:57] GreyFoxx: yup
[22:22:04] nooby_god: cool
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[22:22:55] nooby_god: one last question
[22:23:18] nooby_god: if I get one of those N64 to USB controller converters, how would one use that in linux?
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[22:23:28] nooby_god: are there special drivers or something?
[22:23:38] xrothgarx: has anyone used one of the new hd5500 cards for hd?
[22:30:32] fergu2: has anyone had problems with commercial flagging?
[22:30:39] fergu2: it was working great for me
[22:31:00] Igg-man: Did you break it?
[22:31:11] fergu2: i dont know how i would have
[22:31:14] Igg-man: It works okay for me
[22:31:19] fergu2: change recording from 480x480 to 640x480
[22:31:26] Igg-man: Does it run at all?
[22:31:36] fergu2: it runs... but doesnt flag anything
[22:31:41] Igg-man: Do you get the little toilet paper icon when browsing for shows?
[22:31:48] fergu2: it seems like it half-way does but it doesnt stay
[22:31:49] Igg-man: cool
[22:31:52] fergu2: way
[22:31:56] fergu2: ya
[22:32:11] Igg-man: There are server different commercial flag methods
[22:32:18] Igg-man: I've had problems like that when the wrong ones are chosen
[22:32:24] fergu2: i was using black screen, which worked, tried them all
[22:32:25] Igg-man: Did you check those setting?
[22:32:31] fergu2: blank screen rather
[22:32:32] Igg-man: Hmm
[22:32:46] Igg-man: Did you recently upgrade your backend or frontend?
[22:32:49] fergu2: didnt try combo methods, just blank and all, strict and not strict
[22:33:25] fergu2: went from 18 to 19, but i thought everything worked with 19 for awhile, deleted some old 18 directories (cache and recordings?) maybe thats when it stopped working maybe not
[22:34:11] Igg-man: If you edit the show (with 'e'), then hit 'z' to load the flags, do you see anything cut?
[22:34:23] fergu2: 1 sec
[22:34:53] Igg-man: I made the mistake of upgrading something, now my database version doesn't match the backend version
[22:34:58] Igg-man: Oops
[22:35:46] mocker: Has anyone encountered MythTV giving off 'rebuffering (8193 32768)' messages?
[22:36:06] fergu2: yes i gets lots of rebuffering messages
[22:36:08] mocker: It seems like it happens when I change channels, then I get about one per second...
[22:36:18] fergu2: igg-man: which screen do i press 'e' in?
[22:36:23] fergu2: mocker: same here
[22:36:38] Igg-man: fergu2: when you are playing back a show
[22:36:39] mocker: fergu2: Do you also get occasional video stuttering?
[22:36:44] fergu2: mocker: version 18 it got choppy and all screwy, 19 its works ok even tho mesgs
[22:37:26] fergu2: mocker: very minor stuttering, occasionally on video playback it the screen will freeze, audio sounds like its in a tin can, only way to stop is kill frontend
[22:37:45] AngryElf: is there a roadmap up for myth's future somewhere?
[22:37:47] Igg-man: fergu2: What do you use for a capture card?
[22:37:50] mocker: fergu2: You aren't by chance running software raid are you?
[22:37:58] mocker: I'm trying to narrow down where the bottleneck is.
[22:38:04] fergu2: igg-man: 'e' does nothing, 'z' will try to skip to next flag
[22:38:16] fergu2: igg-man: pvr-150
[22:38:16] Igg-man: So, there are flags then?
[22:38:21] fergu2: mocker: no, resierfs
[22:38:37] fergu2: no flags, e doesnt do anything, z says no flags
[22:38:42] Igg-man: Cool, I've got a 500
[22:39:01] fergu2: i have an older comp, 1.8 ghz AMD
[22:39:04] fergu2: maybe thats why
[22:39:17] Igg-man: My roommate is running on a P3, it seems fine
[22:39:23] Igg-man: in fact, I think it plays better then my P4
[22:39:28] fergu2: i have about half-dozen issues which are minor-mediocre annoyances
[22:39:39] Igg-man: I've got a few
[22:39:55] fergu2: commercial flagging is pretty annoying, long video playbacks will occasionally freeze the play, skip ahead is slow
[22:39:58] Igg-man: Mine doesn't seem to skip the first commercial (unless I create a cutlist)
[22:40:09] fergu2: how do you create a cutlist?
[22:40:13] Igg-man: e
[22:40:17] fergu2: hmmm
[22:40:28] xris: fergu2: E, then Z to import the flag list into the cutlist
[22:40:29] Igg-man: then 'z' to copy the comm flags to the cutlist
[22:40:31] fergu2: during playback? does that only work if something is already flagged?
[22:40:42] xris: fergu2: can edit at any time during playback
[22:40:47] Igg-man: z will only work if stuff is flagged, e will always work
[22:40:49] fergu2: E does nothing for me
[22:40:54] fergu2: let me check logs
[22:40:57] Igg-man: Does it bring up the little bar at the bottem?
[22:41:01] fergu2: does frontend make any logs on disk?
[22:41:04] fergu2: no bar
[22:41:08] xris: fergu2: watching recording, not livetv
[22:41:18] fergu2: it is recording, not live
[22:41:23] xris: fergu2: try M
[22:41:25] Igg-man: I don't know if it does. I've run 'mythfrontend > mylog.txt' before, then looked at the mylog.txt
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[22:41:42] xris: Igg-man: you'd need "-v all" on that, too
[22:41:51] Igg-man: xris: cool, thanks
[22:42:01] Igg-man: xris: do you know of a way to rollback the database to a prior version?
[22:42:11] xris: Igg-man: restore the backup that you were supposed to make
[22:42:16] Igg-man: :-)
[22:42:17] fergu2: M->Edit Recording does nothing
[22:42:30] xris: fergu2: odd.... something sounds borked
[22:42:31] Igg-man: That wouldn't have current data in it
[22:42:42] xris: Igg-man: that's your only chocie
[22:42:53] Igg-man: Well, I might be able to pull it off manually
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[22:42:59] fergu2: let me restart front-end and see if i get any messages
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[22:51:01] fergu2: can't open file: inuserprograms.myi (errno 115)
[22:51:09] fergu2: anyone know where that file should be?
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[22:51:20] fergu2: inuseprograms.myi*
[22:52:29] fergu2: errno: 145 sorry
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[22:54:19] achew22: how do you map the multimedia keys to load mythfrontend in gnome?
[22:54:48] kormoc: lineakd
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[22:56:57] xris: achew22: lineakd or some of them will work with gnome's built in stuff
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[22:57:32] achew22: xris: lineakd has a OSD program listed in my apt sources, is it usefull?
[22:57:48] xris: achew22: xosd?
[22:57:56] achew22: yeah
[22:58:03] xris: it uses xosd to print info to the screen..... like a volume slider
[22:58:12] achew22: ohh.... nify
[22:58:17] xris: I like it
[22:58:37] achew22: thanks much
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[23:05:34] fergu2: i think one of my databases got hosed
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[23:06:13] fergu2: anyone know when 19.1 is coming out?
[23:06:42] monkey89: mythtv recorded fine last night, but it keeps acting up. i can't set a recording – it won't show up as an upcoming recording if I try to
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[23:09:07] fergu2: I have two tables in my database which are stuck as 'in use', any idea how to fix?
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[23:12:58] JasonX: fergu2: have u tried a mysql restart? ( /etc/init.d/mysql restart )
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[23:13:13] fergu2: yes, and my mysql logs are empty
[23:13:31] JasonX: and closed down the mythbackend & frontend
[23:14:09] xris: fergu2: soon. hasn't been a great push for it because most of the packagers are already pulling their sources from the fixes branch
[23:14:13] JasonX: i'd backup the db sharpish (i use webmin to admin mine)
[23:14:59] JasonX: then drop/recreate all the tables
[23:15:10] fergu2: mysql is trying to send mail for some reason
[23:15:58] JasonX: maybe it thinks its your birthday and wants to say hi
[23:16:19] JasonX: or is set to email you error messages
[23:16:23] fergu2: it is just trying to mail me to say i suck
[23:16:38] fergu2: birthday is too far away
[23:17:19] fergu2: argh frustrating
[23:17:45] JasonX: yer i hate it when i have to wait ages for my birthday too
[23:18:34] Dug02: xris: If I press G on a channel that changes the contrast value for that channel in the channel table correct? it doest set the tuner cards contrast value
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[23:19:26] xris: Dug02: correct
[23:19:45] xris: well, it may *also* do that, depending on the card.
[23:19:52] xris: but the channel table is definitely updated
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[23:20:45] Dug02: is there anyway to set the tuner (pcHDTV 3000) card to 63 contrast over the value (127) highest which is what mythtv does?
[23:21:28] Dug02: if I manually set the contrast for each channel I get pixilation on all the dark areas on quick light->dark screen changes
[23:23:28] Juski: that's mpeg4 recording for you
[23:23:32] JasonX: Anyone know best approach to setting screen size/aspect to diff vals on fly for xine, so when it thinks it is showing video in middle of screen with black bars top and bottom in reality it has 1 big black bar at top and video aligned at bottom edge (by pretending screen is taller than it is) I have it working for mplayer but xine doesnt have an aspect ratio setting
[23:24:03] Juski: JasonX: set your DISPLAYSIZE in xorg.conf properly
[23:24:13] JasonX: On the fly
[23:24:39] fergu2: is this a 4:3, 16:9 aspect ratio problem?
[23:25:03] JasonX: No I change the aspect ratio to diff vals depending on video size/aspect
[23:25:13] Juski: I thought W in xine changed aspect
[23:25:20] JasonX: its all a bit crazy but there is no other way to get video aligned to lower edge of screen
[23:25:25] Juski: or is it A? I'm sure it can though
[23:25:45] JasonX: it is being done programatically in a script on the fly per video not manually
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[23:27:03] JasonX: as in I get videos height width aspect, then calc the height video WILL be, then pretend the screen is taller so when it aligns in middle it in fact appears at lower edge
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[23:27:32] Juski: what about the -r option?
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[23:28:21] JasonX: -r only seems to have various options not real number vals like -r 0.8912
[23:28:21] Juski: xine is normally pretty shit-hot at getting the aspect ratio right in my experience
[23:28:37] Juski: how've you ended up with such funny aspect ratios then?
[23:28:45] JasonX: except it will be basing it on a screen size that is not actually real
[23:29:09] JasonX: cos I am stretching the screen so video appears at lower edge
[23:29:10] Juski: JasonX: xine has a 'zoom' feature which might help
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[23:29:29] Juski: it won't display a video at the wrong aspect without a fight though
[23:29:40] JasonX: so after stretching screen i manipulate the aspect ratio so it stretches it back to correct aspect
[23:29:43] Juski: your videos must look awful
[23:29:51] JasonX: as i said i can do it in mplayer and it works fine
[23:30:05] Juski: so _why_ is the aspect not a standard value in your videos anyway?
[23:30:18] JasonX: its a trick i used as there IS no video alginment commands in xine or mplayer
[23:30:41] Juski: can you do me a favour and answer the question please? I'm curious
[23:31:26] kormoc: Juski, the video is fine, he's taking the aspect ratio and screwing with it to move the back bar at the bottom of the screen to the top, so the top has a double thick black bar and the bottom has none
[23:31:42] JasonX: EG: /usr/bin/mplayer -monitoraspect .9534 -ao alsa:device=default -ac hwac3, -srate 48000 -fs -zoom -vo xv -cache 16384 -screenh 1074 /myth/video/pc/test/Cinderella Man.avi
[23:31:42] Juski: hokaaayyyy
[23:32:07] Juski: for a projector or something, I'm guessing
[23:32:12] JasonX: yer exactly
[23:32:28] Juski: so 2.35:1 videos look panoramic, as they should.. I suppose
[23:32:33] JasonX: its all calc'd on the lfy in my playvideo.sh script
[23:32:36] fergu2: have you tried VLC? I like it better than Xine. I wrote a patch to default to 5.1 audio with ALSA
[23:33:08] JasonX: I played with VLC a bit when trying to get myth streming working
[23:33:22] fergu2: has actual DVD menu support
[23:33:23] Juski: what's so bad about mplayer for just showing videos then?
[23:33:30] fergu2: no DVD menus?
[23:33:37] fergu2: that was my big problem
[23:33:37] Juski: I heard it's getting menu support
[23:33:44] fergu2: will != now
[23:33:44] kormoc: fergu2, he's using video files, they don't have dvd menus
[23:33:52] fergu2: my video files do
[23:33:56] fergu2: they are called ISOs
[23:34:13] kormoc: heh, his example is a avi
[23:34:13] JasonX: I only use xine for dvd playback rest goes through mplayer
[23:34:21] Juski: try Ogle too
[23:34:32] penticlex: does any one know howlong atrpms will be down?
[23:34:51] fergu2: anyways, my point is if Xine wont do what you want maybe VLC will...
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[23:35:05] JasonX: well what i wondered is if maybe instead of me trying to mimic the same technique as mplayer for xine, maybe I could 'on the fly' set the screen someway so both xine and mplayer pick up on it, (then i could maybe use it for mythtv playback also)
[23:35:11] kormoc: Juski, last I heard, mplayer's dev team basically said that to give menu support, they would need to rewrite most of mplayer, as it's just not setup to allow that.
[23:35:22] Juski: http://wiki.videolan.org/index.php/What_can_vlc_do
[23:35:26] fergu2: try 'xset' command
[23:35:52] Juski: "When invoking VLC from the command line, use the option --aspect-ratio. For instance, vlc --aspect-ratio 1.85"
[23:36:08] JasonX: Kormoc : the xbmc people used mplayer for dvd but added code to do menus and xbmc is opensource
[23:36:34] JasonX: And how does VLC compare to xine for DVD playback (menus etc etc)
[23:36:43] fergu2: VLC is awesome
[23:36:44] Juski: JasonX: VLC is as good
[23:36:46] fergu2: everything just works
[23:36:53] fergu2: better than Xine
[23:36:54] fergu2: imho
[23:37:00] fergu2: i can control DVD menus from remote
[23:37:22] Juski: I only use xine cos it's what I get with minimyth & I can't be bothered to hack vlc into it
[23:37:36] fergu2: only minus is audio does not default to 5.1, which i fixed
[23:37:46] Juski: besides that I find xine does what I need
[23:37:50] fergu2: Juski: Hack? uhm, its just changing the configuration... very simple
[23:38:05] JasonX: hmmmmm – I do have xine working very well, just my desire to be able to shift video to bottom of proj screen
[23:38:12] Juski: fergu2: yes but I'd need to put the binaries into the image
[23:38:13] kormoc: JasonX, XBMC uses mplayer G2, no? which is the rewrite of mplayer to allow menus and similar.
[23:38:54] fergu2: juski: what image?
[23:38:55] JasonX: Kormoc : I'm pretty sure it was the xbmc team that coded the menus in
[23:39:11] fergu2: juski: are you using a livecd?
[23:39:11] JasonX: maybe they called it mplayer g2
[23:39:19] Juski: fergu2: minimyth is a frontend distro for EPIA boards – it comes ready built
[23:39:32] Juski: (and my life is busy enough without rolling my own)
[23:39:37] kormoc: JasonX, Mplayer g2 has been under development from around 2001 or so, never really took off afaik
[23:39:55] kormoc: JasonX, Juski, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html#id2545170
[23:40:07] fergu2: juski: obviousaly there is a filesystem you can write to, right? why do you need to make a new image? you have a hard-drive?
[23:40:09] JasonX: kormoc: OK I just remember the xbmc team getting donations so the menus would be added
[23:40:22] JasonX: so i figured they did it themselves
[23:40:50] Juski: the xbmc dvd player is far from faultless though
[23:41:00] JasonX: On my issue I do find it bizarre that advanced video progs like mplayer dont allow video to be zoomed/moved in all directions
[23:41:13] JasonX: juski: yer it wasnt too hot
[23:41:25] Juski: fergu2: it's a cramfs image – I can add to it but I can't be arsed. like I said xine works just fine so I have no reason to change
[23:41:32] JasonX: that said xine didnt like a 'chewin the fat' dvd
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[23:42:24] JasonX: Juski : yer I have xine pretty well working, all filters setup, surround etc, so i dont want to chnage , i will if i have to but...
[23:42:28] Juski: I've said this before & I'll say it again... mythtv really needs a good screen setup thingy like XBMC has got
[23:42:36] JasonX: i will check xset and see where it leads me
[23:42:40] Juski: I'll do it when I get time, chances are
[23:42:53] fergu2: juski: whatever, i dont care... i just dont see how mythtv ise useful if you dont have a filesystem that you cant use. kind of pointless
[23:43:03] JasonX: I think XBMC works good for music
[23:43:18] fergu2: juski: is the backend somewhere else?
[23:43:26] Juski: fergu2: yup
[23:43:35] fergu2: juski: ah, okay... sorry
[23:43:38] Juski: diskless, totally silent frontend
[23:43:41] JasonX: as i have album covers, so i can navigate like normal explorer type file system, then when i get to where all folders have album icons it switches to icon mode
[23:44:07] Juski: I added my theme to the cramfs image & a couple of other things, but to change players there's quite a lot of work – and making a new lircrc file
[23:44:15] Juski: it ain't broke ;-)
[23:44:49] dtm: Juski: it boots from a dvd?
[23:44:57] fergu2: anyone have problems with their video card output (s-video in my case) being distorted on the TV?
[23:44:57] Juski: tftp
[23:45:01] dtm: Juski: :-o
[23:45:13] Juski: boots in < 60 secs
[23:45:20] dtm: Juski: where's the tftp client implemented? some rom modificatoin?
[23:45:36] Juski: dtm: PXE boot loader
[23:45:47] dtm: Juski: yes but where's it implemented
[23:45:57] Juski: in the BIOS, like any other net boot
[23:46:17] dtm: Juski: oh wait.. i'm confusing your conversation with someone else's.. i thought you were talking about an xbox!
[23:46:22] dtm: har++
[23:46:26] Juski: power it up, it goes looking for a PXE server, gets a boot image... etc
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[23:46:44] dtm: and i have heard of people using xbox as a mythbackend as well, using a usb hardware encoder
[23:46:53] Juski: xbox is too fucking ugly & noisy for my livingroom
[23:46:59] dtm: hehe
[23:47:08] Juski: dtm: I doubt that very much or it'd be slashdotted all over the place
[23:47:10] fergu2: argh, anyone know MYSQL? this 'in use
[23:47:12] dtm: i wonder if anyone's got mythtv on a gamecube.
[23:47:15] fergu2: ' table is pissing me off
[23:47:32] Agrajag-: fergu2: restart mysql?
[23:47:37] dtm: fergu2: google the error?
[23:47:42] fergu2: I did I did
[23:47:45] dtm: fergu2: rebuild the tables?
[23:47:50] Juski: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/lock-tables.html
[23:47:53] fergu2: i could... but...
[23:47:56] dtm: fergu2: mysql corrupts itself routinely through normal usage
[23:48:08] fergu2: it does? wtf
[23:48:10] dtm: there are standard rebuilding procedures
[23:48:33] Juski: see the wiki for how to maintain mythtv
[23:48:41] dtm: fergu2: yeah, there are no data integrity capabilities in mysql 4 and below
[23:48:48] fergu2: I unlocked and flushed, no luck
[23:48:50] dtm: just silent failures and corruption
[23:49:13] fergu2: I think I had two myth flagging processes running and I tried to kill one or more
[23:49:16] fergu2: and then this happened
[23:49:26] ** Juski had a 0 byte recording the other day – for the very 1st time ever! not worried at all by that though **
[23:50:08] dtm: Juski: how could that possibly not be worrisome :)
[23:50:11] Juski: ahhh that stuff will happen if you go round killing processes willy nilly
[23:50:15] fergu2: dtm: will I loose my current recordings if I rebuild the database?
[23:50:20] dtm: fergu2: no
[23:50:24] Juski: dtm: one, out of thousands of recordings.. ? sheesh
[23:50:35] dtm: Juski: on a database that silently corrupts data?
[23:50:48] Juski: there's nowt wrong with my DB
[23:50:51] Juski: I checked that
[23:51:00] Juski: ivtvmight have just burped
[23:51:02] fergu2: juski: I had several processes each consuming 25%+ CPU... the system was crawling
[23:51:18] dtm: Juski: oh. so you proved there's no problem, so you're not worried. well, then!
[23:51:27] fergu2: it should die gracefully anyhow
[23:51:55] Juski: thing is, commflagging can hammer the DB – all those recordedmarkup table entries
[23:52:35] Juski: the bulk of the DB is recordedmarkup stuff AFAICT
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[23:54:35] fergu2: dtm: Thank you very much! I ran mysqlcheck and it fixed the database issue
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[23:55:26] dtm: :-o
[23:55:29] dtm: o/
[23:55:57] Juski: like I said... see the section of the wiki about maintaining mythtv..
[23:56:02] Juski: anyway.. time for bed
[23:56:05] dtm: l8r
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[23:56:44] JasonX: ok zebedee me too
[23:57:14] fergu2: juski: where is this mythical section you speek of?
[23:57:53] fergu2: ah found it
[23:57:55] fergu2: nevermind
[23:58:20] fergu2: yeah, wouldnt have helped
[23:58:28] fergu2: 'backup'... thats great
[23:59:01] fergu2: thats a real education there

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