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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2006, 00:07 UTC
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[00:11:31] vasudeva: well, thanks for the ideas, guys
[00:11:40] vasudeva: bad news, but it's always good to know what's what
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[00:16:27] mne: My mythtv backend won't run under ubuntu, any help ? It says that theres no setting for the machine's BackendServerIP
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[00:17:21] roothorick: someone suggested I use a firewire link to a SA explorer 3250HD. Only problem is, the box doesn't even have any firewire ports!
[00:17:28] Agrajag-: mne: have you run mythtv-setup ?
[00:17:47] mne: Agrajag-, yes, I did. but I could not scan for channels
[00:18:39] roothorick: anyone with Time Warner digital and successfully recording shows on digital channels?
[00:18:48] roothorick: preferably without an IR blaster
[00:19:01] roothorick: I'd like some specific cable box models to request
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[00:25:16] bradd: how can i debug why my remote doesnt work with xine? works fine watching tv and in the mythtv ui..but once mythtv launches xine it doesnt so anything..
[00:30:00] kormoc: bradd, did you setup a lircrc file for xine?
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[00:36:46] bradd: yes
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[00:37:05] xris: roothorick: need to cal your provider and ask for one with a firewire port
[00:37:08] kormoc: does it work outside of myth?
[00:37:18] bradd: nope
[00:37:20] rooth|mobile: xris: I did, and they sent me a box that didn't have a port
[00:37:25] rooth|mobile: and before, my comp cut out
[00:37:29] rooth|mobile: so excuse me
[00:37:37] rooth|mobile: (loose power cord)
[00:37:40] bradd: dont see any connections to lircd when i launch xine either
[00:37:56] xris: rooth|mobile: then send it back and tell them to give you one that does.. motorola dtc6200 is the best-supported for myth
[00:38:04] rooth|mobile: now, I want to know what I'm getting before they send it, and I want some ideas for what to ask for
[00:38:35] rooth|mobile: xris: they've used exclusively Scientific Atlanta hardware ever since they introduced the digital service in this area, as far as I can tell
[00:39:44] xris: rooth|mobile: you may end up having to fight them on the issue.. big discussion on the mailing list about what to do, which laws to quote, etc.
[00:40:22] rooth|mobile: xris: can you give me a link? I'm not totally comfortable with this system, hell I just installed this IRC client minutes ago
[00:41:15] xris: rooth|mobile: mailing list archive link on mythtv.org
[00:43:46] rooth|mobile: hm, I'll look
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[00:48:37] jams: the big problem is not gettinga box with firewire, it's finding a person that know what firewire is
[00:49:00] struct: its a wire that burns?
[00:49:42] jams: took me 3 weeks of constant calling to find somebody who knew which model had firewire out
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[00:51:37] defaultro: SlicerDicer? You there?
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[00:53:49] rooth|mobile: jams: my latest idea is to call them, ask them what boxes they offer, and then look up each box online
[00:54:25] rooth|mobile: anyway, I'm having a hell of a time finding the thread
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[00:55:33] jshriver: greetings
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[00:55:59] jshriver: can someone help me setup my hauppauge card? I have bttv loaded and can see video using tvtime but only composite.. the tuner doesnt work
[01:02:09] rooth|mobile: here we go
[01:02:21] jshriver: hi
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[01:07:15] jshriver: 161 ppl and everyone is quiet lol
[01:10:03] Sedorox: you shoulda been in here earlier.. it wasn't so quiet
[01:11:22] rooth|mobile: good grief, this guy knows how to patronize
[01:12:23] struct: bleh
[01:13:15] rooth|mobile: okay, I have the scoop
[01:14:00] rooth|mobile: my cableco uses six different Scientific Atlanta Explorer boxes: 2000, 3250, 3250HD, 8000, 8300, and 8300HD
[01:14:01] jshriver: sorry wasnt meaning to patronize..
[01:14:03] jshriver: just so quiet
[01:14:08] rooth|mobile: oh, not you
[01:14:10] rooth|mobile: the guy on the phone
[01:14:14] jshriver: oh lol
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[01:14:28] rooth|mobile: anyway
[01:14:51] rooth|mobile: of those, only the 8xxx models have firewire, and also cost some extra per month
[01:15:21] rooth|mobile: I REALLY want to avoid an IR blaster...
[01:16:25] rooth|mobile: bleh, we might as well give in and get the recording service
[01:17:52] rooth|mobile: I'm probably going to go cable splitter + traditional TV tuner and fsck the digital channels
[01:17:56] jshriver: kinda off topic, but anyone know if there is a Digital tuner for linux? Basically a digital box or DirecTV box on a PCI card?
[01:18:00] jshriver: lol
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[01:23:50] defaultro: any tips guys on how I can make the mouse work in X without rebooting my machine? I turned on my machine without a mouse connected
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[01:24:38] hpAuto: hey I just updated my mythtv, and now the theme I'm using has blank words
[01:24:45] hpAuto: wtf
[01:25:24] Agrajag-: hpAuto: as in "Watch" instead of "Watch Recordings"?
[01:25:34] Agrajag-: it'll do that if it's too wide
[01:25:34] rooth|mobile: jshriver: even if there was, it'd have to be specifically configured to work with your company's service, which you know they won't allow.
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[01:25:40] hpAuto: no all the titles on the menu are blank
[01:26:29] Anonycat: I just compiled mythtv and now I get "mythtv: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" How do I get that file?
[01:26:41] rooth|mobile: anyway, if I want to record two shows at once, what TV tuner should I recommend?
[01:26:46] rooth|mobile: blah
[01:26:49] rooth|mobile: would you recommend
[01:26:58] Agrajag-: Anonycat: how did you install it?
[01:27:14] Anonycat: with "make install"
[01:27:30] Agrajag-: Anonycat: if you did make install, and you didn't change the prefix, you need to make sure /usr/local/lib is in your /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig
[01:28:12] rooth|mobile: grrrr. I gotta go.
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[01:29:41] j3g: anyone know how to get the cx25840 module compiled on the 2.6.16 kernel? i see the source files, but i can't find which option would enable them
[01:31:18] armand: you're still looking for that?
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[01:31:28] armand: tell me you've been ssearching google for the last 7hrs
[01:31:30] Anonycat: now I get "Can't connect to the database"--is there a setup program I need to run?
[01:32:13] Agrajag-: Anonycat: read the docs
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[01:37:09] sirthomas_: I'm getting this: ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 4
[01:37:24] sirthomas_: but as far as I know.. the ivtv drivers are loaded and are properly detecting my two cards.
[01:38:31] sirthomas_: everything records channel 4 now.  :-( I "upgraded" my mythbox to include a PVR-500 and upgraded the ivtv drivers. Now it only records channel 4.
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[01:43:45] j3g: sirthomas_: are you using 2.6.16 ?
[01:44:15] sirthomas_: yes
[01:45:07] j3g: can you change channels using ivtv-tune?
[01:45:25] j3g: ivtv-tune -c <chan#>
[01:45:27] Anduin: sirthomas_: It is Tuner 1 now (re mythtv-setup)
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[01:45:48] j3g: then cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and play the file on mplayer to see if the channel was changed
[01:46:08] sirthomas_: j3g: yes, I can change channels using ivtv-tune. no errors.
[01:46:11] sirthomas_: ok
[01:46:25] WAR_CH|LD: anyone have experience installing hte jdk for mythburn feature via ssh/console
[01:46:26] j3g: then try what anduin suggested
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[01:46:54] j3g: sirthomas_: i can't find how to have a cx25840 module on the newer ivtv... how did you get yours?
[01:47:22] sirthomas_: j3g: I just updated from atrpms (FC4 archive) to the latest ivtv
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[01:47:42] roothorick: okay, now that' I'm settled in at home
[01:48:02] j3g: hmm i don't belive you are running 2.6.16 and ivtv 0.6.1 :)
[01:48:14] j3g: fc4 is kernel 2.6.12 afaik
[01:48:20] roothorick: what TV tuner card should I use for a box that sees use by a small family? As in, something that can record two shows at once and preferably record them in hardware
[01:48:21] Anduin: j3g: newer ivtv assumes newer kernel (where it already exists)
[01:48:26] Anduin: fc5 is 2.6.16
[01:48:30] Anduin: er fc4 is as well
[01:48:45] Anonycat: FC4 went up to 2.6.15
[01:48:53] Anonycat: FC5 currently has 2.6.16
[01:48:53] j3g: Anduin: i know... but i can't find which kernel option would compile that module
[01:49:06] sirthomas_: yes, ivtv-tune is actually changing my channel... but mythtv isn't. Trying the Tuner1 trick next...
[01:49:36] j3g: Anduin: i read the docs where it said that cx25840 would no longer be included with ivtv... as it was migrated to the kernel... but i can't find hwo to compile it :(
[01:49:44] mkrufky: is there anybody in here that can answer a question about atrpms?
[01:49:58] Anonycat: I'm up to step 9 in the instructions, and mythtv-setup gives the same error as mythtv...it gives me a language selection screen, then says it can't connect to the database
[01:50:04] sirthomas_: what I'm running: FC4 with ivtv-0.6.1–109.rhfc4.at and kernel-2.6.16–1.2069_FC4
[01:50:35] defaultro: hey mkrufky, long time no chat :)
[01:50:40] Anduin: Yes, FC4 really is using 2.6.16 now.
[01:50:50] mkrufky: i'm trying to install mythtv-suite on fc5, it says that atrpms is missing mythbrowser-0.19.-123
[01:50:58] mkrufky: defaultro: hey!
[01:51:01] mkrufky: ;-)
[01:51:02] defaultro: what's up
[01:51:09] defaultro: fusion has been working like a charm
[01:51:14] mkrufky: im glad
[01:51:18] defaultro: i have a new project, firewire
[01:51:26] mkrufky: ive got some new even cooler drivers coming soon
[01:51:31] defaultro: bam
[01:51:40] defaultro: i hope analog and hd at the same time recording
[01:51:41] defaultro: :)
[01:51:45] mkrufky: there's this box, made by sasem ...
[01:51:55] mkrufky: it does both ATSC and analog mpeg encoding
[01:51:55] defaultro: ok?
[01:52:03] defaultro: cool
[01:52:06] mkrufky: ya i'm 75% done with the driver
[01:52:12] roothorick: "analog" because MPEG is digital
[01:52:18] defaultro: what about for the fusion card, can it record at the same time now?
[01:52:23] mkrufky: well, it has analog input
[01:52:29] mkrufky: and it encodes it into an mpeg stream
[01:52:31] mkrufky: just like ivtv
[01:52:36] defaultro: k
[01:53:36] mkrufky: anyway,.. anybody know about my mythbrowser problem with fc5 using atrpms?
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[01:53:53] defaultro: sorry mike, i only used tar.gz
[01:54:15] mchou: defaultro: get your STB up and running?
[01:54:20] defaultro: not yet
[01:54:23] mkrufky: the fedora packages usually work well... im using myth now on the other box in fc4 just fine
[01:54:45] defaultro: mchou, i contacted comcast and they reinitialized my 6200
[01:54:45] mchou: defaultro: which model STB they give you?
[01:55:02] defaultro: right now, air2pc is recording 24. I dont want to touch it
[01:55:13] defaultro: mchou, they gave me DCT6200
[01:55:17] defaultro: 2 firewire ports
[01:55:29] Anduin: j3g: "Add support for additional video chipsets" it requires VIDEO_DEV, I2C and EXPERIMENTAL
[01:55:31] defaultro: this is what i found out too
[01:55:40] defaultro: i mean, the report of plugreport
[01:55:41] defaultro: Node 2 GUID 0x000ce5fffe459536
[01:55:41] defaultro: ------------------------------
[01:55:41] defaultro: oMPR n_plugs=1, data_rate=2, bcast_channel=63
[01:55:42] defaultro: oPCR[0] online=1, bcast_connection=0, n_p2p_connections=0
[01:55:42] defaultro: channel=0, data_rate=2, overhead_id=0, payload=376
[01:55:43] defaultro: iMPR n_plugs=0, data_rate=2
[01:55:49] defaultro: I will continue it later :)
[01:56:03] j3g: Anduin: let me search for it
[01:56:10] defaultro: 10 mins more and I'll start
[01:56:22] j3g: Anduin: thx
[01:57:15] sirthomas_: ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 2 ----- Grrr.... I switched everything to "Tuner 1"!!
[01:57:19] defaultro: mchou, I am somewhat right that even if hd stb is not able to display discovery HD via the component out, it's possible that it can be sent out the firewire port?
[01:57:24] ** sirthomas_ tries again. **
[01:57:30] defaultro: s/I am/Am I/
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[01:58:18] mchou: defaultro: see if it shows up via svideo. if that fails go to the service menu to see if it's been blocked.
[01:58:37] defaultro: i don't have svideo cable
[01:58:49] mchou: well sit, composite then
[01:58:54] defaultro: they only gave me component cable
[01:58:55] mchou: shit*
[01:59:08] defaultro: is component ok?
[01:59:25] Anduin: sirthomas_: Was the backend running?
[01:59:32] mchou: defaultro: then went cheap on ya. They gave me moster cable + TOSLink
[01:59:39] mchou: they*
[01:59:47] defaultro: wow
[01:59:54] sirthomas_: Anduin: I switched everything to "Tuner 1" (both tuners on my PVR-500 and the one on my PVR-250) and then rebooted.
[02:00:02] mchou: I use svideo for troubleshooting
[02:00:02] defaultro: it's ok, I have unused toslink cables here
[02:00:14] defaultro: i will find a composite cable
[02:00:24] sirthomas_: Anduin: so the backend was restarted with the new "Tuner 1" configuration.
[02:00:37] mchou: component cable should work on composite port
[02:00:38] defaultro: mchou, are you aware that component is better than composite and svideo
[02:00:56] defaultro: ok
[02:01:07] Anduin: sirthomas_: You good with mysql?
[02:01:12] mchou: defaultro: dont be stupid. use the lowest common denominator for troubleshooting
[02:01:14] sirthomas_: Anduin: yes.
[02:01:26] ** sirthomas_ is not a mysql noob **
[02:01:28] defaultro: i was just asking you :P
[02:01:34] defaultro: you know it then
[02:02:15] defaultro: so first, what should I test? Are you telling me to go to a channel like Discovery HD?
[02:02:16] Anduin: sirthomas_: Do it by hand then (I've seen almost enough people have trouble changing the tuner to think it might be worth looking at the code)
[02:02:34] mchou: defaultro: take a swag
[02:02:48] defaultro: sorry, what is swag?
[02:02:59] mchou: google
[02:03:18] sirthomas_: Anduin: ok. Thanks for your help!! Wife wants to run to the grocery store.. so I gotta run...
[02:04:06] defaultro: mchou, that's cool. :D
[02:04:18] defaultro: is it ok to use it though when talking to my officemates?
[02:04:40] defaultro: or do you only use it if you hate the person?
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[02:12:20] ficusplanet: Hey everyone. Total HTPC noob question: how will SDTV work on a widescreen monitor? Do I have to stretch the image, or will there always just be black bars on the sides of the picture?
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[02:16:27] roothorick: AverMedia a quality company for TV tuner cards?
[02:16:54] roothorick: http://bestonlinedeeals.com/index.php?id=18048
[02:16:56] roothorick: I'm considering it
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[02:19:38] Vme: I'm completely new to this, and I have a Nexus-S card that i have running in debian and I've been consider using MythTV, will this card work?
[02:22:26] roothorick: my guess is if it works through v4l, it'll work with MythTV, but I don't know for sure
[02:24:10] hpAuto: damit, I just updated mythtv and now the osd menus don't go away
[02:24:19] Vme: v4l?
[02:24:34] jshriver: What format does mythtv save the video? avi? what codec
[02:24:46] hpAuto: mpeg, usually
[02:24:48] Vme: i've used it for VDR/DVB before with Dish
[02:25:08] Vme: but its been awhile
[02:25:11] hpAuto: I shoulda never updated, damit
[02:25:16] roothorick: jshriver: whatever it's configured to, IIRC
[02:25:39] roothorick: jshriver: but if you're using your tuner card's hardware encoding it's most likely MPEG
[02:25:57] jshriver: hrm my tuner doesnt have a hardware encoder unfortunately...
[02:27:24] roothorick: then it's whatever Myth is configured to encode to
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[02:30:35] hpAuto: grr, mythtv makes the baby jesus cry
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[02:34:56] roothorick: this house just feels ghetto
[02:35:02] roothorick: the slightest noise is heard all over the house
[02:35:13] roothorick: ...wrong channel
[02:35:15] roothorick: I'm doing that a lot
[02:40:29] roothorick: oh boy, I'm doubting my setup
[02:41:13] roothorick: will a 1.4Ghz Athlon Thunderbird do with a system with a GeForce 2 MX 200 for video out, and a PVR-150 or PVR-500 and possibly a low-end HDTV card?
[02:41:25] roothorick: *do for a system
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[03:07:10] SirThomas: Fixed my problem!! yay!!! Switching from "Tuner 0" to "Tuner 1" for all my tuner cards works *perfectly*
[03:07:16] SirThomas: thanks guys for your help!!
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[03:10:19] defaultro: is it possible that the plugctl tool might have affected my air2pc?
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[03:11:47] abarbaccia: hey all – anybody here have a DCT6200 cable box and use the coax output to grab off a pvr-150 or something?
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[03:16:20] abarbaccia: can anybody explain this because i sure as hell can't figure it out... when the cable goes straight into the pvr-150 i can tune channels, when i go from the cable box to the pvr-150 i only get static (i tell it to stay on channel 3 and everything) – but when i go from cable box to TV i get a picture perfectly fine...
[03:17:26] roothorick: some bizarre copy protection?
[03:17:38] roothorick: is there a way to "tune" the PVR-150?
[03:18:06] abarbaccia: yes, i have it tuned to channel 3
[03:18:11] abarbaccia: just like my TV is tuned to channel 3
[03:18:51] abarbaccia: the only possible thing i can imagine is that the cable box is somehow trying to upscale the output to something that the pvr-150 cannot handle, but that seems bizare at best
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[03:19:58] abarbaccia: and i know it can tune channels just fine because it works when the cable from the wall is going straight to the card
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[03:20:32] roothorick: no, I mean fine tune
[03:20:43] roothorick: I have a set-top DVD recorder that has a fine tune option that goes from -10 to +10
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[03:20:54] roothorick: and basically adjusts the exact frequency it listens at for each channel
[03:21:25] roothorick: my guess is the PVR-150 is tuned off-kilter and needs to be tweaked onto the right frequency
[03:22:05] Anduin: abarbaccia: Have you tried from svideo?
[03:22:19] abarbaccia: I did just before but i'm about to try again...
[03:22:22] roothorick: yeah, that's true. All else fails, use non-tuner cap methods
[03:24:23] abarbaccia: holy crapola
[03:24:28] abarbaccia: it works with freakin svideo
[03:24:36] roothorick: then use it :)
[03:24:39] abarbaccia: okay, time to make some changes in mythbackend
[03:24:43] abarbaccia: nope- no sound ;-)
[03:24:51] roothorick: btw: IR blaster? firewire control?
[03:24:56] Anduin: It never occurred to me to not use svideo for that.
[03:25:21] abarbaccia: firewire control
[03:25:30] Anduin: abarbaccia: did you run the audio cable?
[03:25:32] roothorick: lucky you
[03:25:41] abarbaccia: and if it wasnt for the flakey capture of channels over firewire and hte encryption i would just use it and run 0 tuners
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[03:25:56] roothorick: xris: hello again
[03:26:39] ** xris grumbles about the overloaded UPS **
[03:26:42] roothorick: xris: their firewire-capable boxes are an extra monthly premium which includes a subscription DVR system
[03:27:10] roothorick: actually, their firewire-capable boxes ARE DVRs
[03:27:29] abarbaccia: GOD THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!
[03:27:45] roothorick: abarbaccia: you want to prefer svid over tuner anyway
[03:27:50] roothorick: abarbaccia: better quality
[03:28:00] roothorick: don't look a gift horse in the mouth :)
[03:28:08] roothorick: or something like that
[03:28:09] abarbaccia: roothorick: but its not an option – i cannot get audio into my system
[03:28:16] roothorick: you sure?
[03:28:18] abarbaccia: i have zero pci slots
[03:28:28] roothorick: soundcard?
[03:28:34] abarbaccia: and i really don't want to fuss with it – and i'm determined to make this work
[03:28:36] roothorick: pretty much every modern card can go full duplex
[03:28:37] Anduin: abarbaccia: Uh, on the pvr card?
[03:28:53] roothorick: oh yeah, you should have audio in on any Hauppauge PVR series
[03:28:58] abarbaccia: i want to use the tuner because its very nice and simple.........
[03:29:16] roothorick: ...why?
[03:29:18] Anduin: svideo is simpler
[03:29:24] abarbaccia: alright, so looking past the point that I CAN make it work, how do i get the tuner to work
[03:29:27] roothorick: svid is simpler and produces a MUCH better picture
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[03:29:44] roothorick: ...some people I just don't get
[03:29:51] abarbaccia: its more of a me vs. motorola thing ATM
[03:29:52] roothorick: anyway, try to find some info about fine tuning
[03:29:54] Anduin: but it takes two cables!
[03:29:57] roothorick: or frequency offset, whatever
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[03:30:16] roothorick: Anduin: three if you don't have a combined L/R cable
[03:31:03] Anduin: Yeah, if I had needed three cables I would have given up as well.
[03:32:06] roothorick: heh. Right now your only bet is to fine-tune the PVR-150, if at all possible
[03:32:48] roothorick: it sounds to me like the cable box's channel 3 and the PVR-150's channel 3 are two far enough away frequencies that they don't line up
[03:32:57] abarbaccia: do you really think it has anything to do with fine tuning
[03:33:04] roothorick: has to
[03:33:14] abarbaccia: like do you think my TV just was able to pick it up somehow
[03:33:27] abarbaccia: what aobut this RF bypass switch
[03:33:33] abarbaccia: im reading the DCT6200 manual
[03:33:35] roothorick: your TV's channel 3 tuning is probably closer to what the cable box is putting out
[03:33:49] roothorick: the RF bypass is an external device of some kind
[03:33:58] roothorick: you'll see a port labeled "BYPASS" on the rear of the box
[03:34:10] roothorick: not sure what its purpose is
[03:34:39] Anduin: The manual says (with instructions on hooking a VCR up usually)
[03:35:02] Anduin: abarbaccia: So you aren't using the same cable from the same port (the one that works on the TV)?
[03:35:05] abarbaccia: it says it lets you get the analog tv signals when the box is powered off
[03:35:23] abarbaccia: the cable goes from the wall -> dct -> pvr-150
[03:35:37] abarbaccia: when it goes from wall -> pvr150 or from wall -> dct -> tv there are no problems
[03:35:59] roothorick: abarbaccia: you know how when a VCR is turned off you can still pick up channels on your TV?
[03:36:15] roothorick: abarbaccia: that's because VCRs have a bypass built in. cable boxes generally don't.
[03:36:50] abarbaccia: this cable box has one too apparently
[03:37:05] abarbaccia: why couldnt they just give me a freakin simple cable box that just worked damn it
[03:37:12] roothorick: abarbaccia: and it definitely sounds like a tuning issue to me. You could try tuning to channel 2 or 4 and see if it just comes in that way
[03:37:20] roothorick: abarbaccia: uh. You do have a working setup.
[03:37:29] roothorick: abarbaccia: or could, with some dirt cheap and widely available cables
[03:38:40] abarbaccia: i tried tuning to these other channels, no dice
[03:39:38] roothorick: then if you REALLY want to go via tuner (and I strongly recommend against it), you're gonna have to find a way to fine-tune the PVR-150
[03:40:43] abarbaccia: any idea on how to go about that?
[03:41:24] roothorick: not really. I think you should go with the s-video
[03:41:51] roothorick: personally, I probably wouldn't even have tried the tuner method and skipped straight to hooking up via svid
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[03:50:08] Anonycat: As I try to get MythTV set up, I keep getting "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)" errors in console before the graphics come up and say pretty much the same thing. I have MySQL installed but haven't done anything with it before...how do I make it work here?
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[03:54:15] Agrajag-: Anonycat: you haven't read the documentation yet have you
[03:54:22] Anonycat: I did
[03:54:29] defaultro: hi Agrajag, I have a question
[03:54:36] Anonycat: the only MySQL error I read about involved connecting to a remote computer
[03:54:40] Agrajag-: ok, well you missed the step where it tells you how to setup mysql
[03:54:52] Agrajag-: Anonycat: did you load the initial mc.sql file?
[03:54:57] defaultro: Agrajag, is it ok to have 2 pci cards use the same IRQ?
[03:55:12] abarbaccia: okay, so lets think why i cannot tune to the correct frequency to get this damn cable signal...
[03:55:19] abarbaccia: firmware?
[03:56:33] Anonycat: I did cd to the database folder and then ran "mysql -u root < mc.sql" and it still can't connect to the database
[03:56:38] Agrajag-: defaultro: i believe it is, as long as only one of the devices is used (as in opened by any program) at any one time
[03:57:06] Agrajag-: Anonycat: is mysql running? make sure it's listening on the right device by checking the bind in your mysql config
[03:57:27] Anonycat: I haven't used MySQL before...where would that be?
[03:57:33] defaultro: Agrajag, ah, that's why i had so many issues
[03:57:46] defaultro: Wow, I don't have enough IRQs then
[03:58:23] Agrajag-: hmm hang on i think i might be wrong
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[03:59:56] Agrajag-: yeah, pci devices can share interrupts
[04:01:02] Agrajag-: defaultro: there shouldn't be a problem i don't think
[04:02:11] Anonycat: mysqld is running
[04:03:00] Agrajag-: Anonycat: /etc/mysql/my.cnf possibly
[04:03:23] Anonycat: /etc/mysql/ doesn't exist
[04:03:33] Agrajag-: well wherever your distro puts it then
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[04:06:51] abarbaccia: so do most people use S-Video to go from a cable box to a tuner card rather than using the co-ax cable?
[04:08:04] defaultro: Agrajag, but I just have to make sure that it should not use it at the same time right?
[04:08:19] defaultro: coz here is what happened
[04:08:38] defaultro: b2b2 flexcop had tons of errors when my ieee1394 got installed
[04:08:52] defaultro: i found out that both was using irq10
[04:12:04] defaultro: Agrajag, what does acpi do though?
[04:13:50] roothorick: abarbaccia: I'd expect so, though I'm sure there's a few that didn't think of using s-vid and did the tuner way out of lack of forethought
[04:14:07] defaultro: rephrase, is it ok to turn of ACPI so I can assign the IRQ it uses to another device
[04:14:42] roothorick: defaultro: a desktop system doesn't need ACPI, it's just nice to have. But you have to disable it in BIOS to free up those resources.
[04:15:00] roothorick: and there's a lot of modern systems these days that don't let you disable ACPI
[04:15:14] abarbaccia: roothorick: alright, i think i'm gonna stick with this svideo setup then – its a MUCH better picture quality
[04:15:30] roothorick: plus, it would be just plain dangerous in a laptop
[04:15:38] roothorick: abarbaccia: yeah, as I've been saying :)
[04:15:40] abarbaccia: the more i think about it the more it makes sense. It has to tune 2x if you use coax plus coax is crappy as hel
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[04:16:00] abarbaccia: roothorick: i agreed with you the whole time but i wanted to get it working, then i realized why waste my time and just run with it
[04:16:22] roothorick: abarbaccia: that's what I was trying to say
[04:17:30] roothorick: anyway, I've had a long day
[04:17:33] roothorick: off to bed I go
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[04:21:01] defaultro: which device is ok to share the IRQ with guys?
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[04:36:12] Anonycat: I have MythTV up and running now, but when I go to Watch TV, the screen flickers black before immediately sending me back to the menu. What do I need to configure here?
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[04:44:50] asterboy: Anonycat, that is a "feature"
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[04:45:19] Anonycat: then how do I work around that feature so that I can actually watch something?
[04:45:22] defaultro: have you seen guys this error, b2c2-flexcop: i2c master_xfer failed
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[04:45:28] defaultro: it's the first time i've seen it
[04:45:32] asterboy: just joking
[04:45:49] asterboy: sounds like it can't get a signal lock
[04:46:28] asterboy: i2c is a scsi controller no?
[04:46:37] ik0n: I have a PVR-150MCE that I am having some color problems with... No matter what I adjust with the hue, saturation, contrast, etc, the picture still looks very washed out and kind of gray – does anyone have some suggestions on how I can improve the picture?
[04:46:53] asterboy: cable?
[04:46:59] defaultro: off the air
[04:47:00] asterboy: check your cable connection
[04:47:16] defaultro: it's the first time i have encountered it for more than a year of no issues
[04:47:24] asterboy: anntenea?
[04:47:34] defaultro: i don't know if the card I added affected it
[04:47:41] defaultro: I added a card yesterday, firewire card
[04:47:56] asterboy: ik0n, I'd test with a different cable
[04:48:49] ik0n: asterboy: from searching, it sounds like this is a common issue with people using the ivtv module – however, i haven't found anyone with a posted solution
[04:49:00] ik0n: so, i doubt it would be the cable
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[04:50:56] defaultro: something is freaking really wrong with my system, everything time i start recording, my SSH disconnects and I can't access my mythbox anymore
[04:51:15] defaultro: i will remove the firewire card again
[04:51:17] defaultro: freak
[04:53:36] ik0n: does anyone else in here have a pvr-150?
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[05:00:53] ik0n: hmm
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[05:06:47] defaultro: I have removed the firewire card and recording does not stop anymore
[05:06:49] defaultro: hmmmm
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[05:08:17] defaultro: mchou, can you please do cat /proc/interrupts
[05:08:32] johnsu01: Anyone have success getting the GO7007 driver working? I got it compiled, but now I get errors in dmesg (debian gnu/linux).
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[05:11:19] defaultro: I don't get this message anymore when I boot up my box: b2c2-flexcop: i2c master_xfer failed
[05:11:32] defaultro: so is firewire card the culprit?
[05:13:04] ik0n: odd – the bad color seems to only be one some random channels...
[05:13:34] ik0n: well – for the most part at least
[05:13:44] ik0n: the color really isnt that great on any channel
[05:18:25] SlicerDicer-: is anybody familar with a issue where mythtv will lose its upcoming recordings? I keep on having my upcoming recordings go blank but my recording schedule part stays intact just nothing will record
[05:18:43] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: some firewire cards can be a peice of shit
[05:18:47] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: so its possible
[05:18:51] defaultro: ouch
[05:18:52] defaultro: :(
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: if you have a audigy 2 or something give it a go
[05:19:07] defaultro: i don't have
[05:19:07] SlicerDicer-: I know that audigy 2's work
[05:19:38] defaultro: but was really wondering how that card can affect air2pc
[05:19:45] defaultro: they were already on a different IRQ
[05:20:09] defaultro: I'm thinking of putting it back again and record again
[05:20:18] defaultro: it's been recording for 20 mins now without issues
[05:20:35] defaultro: but earlier when I had the firewire card, it would choke after 1 min
[05:21:13] defaultro: oh btw, I got the 6200 stb
[05:21:40] defaultro: The quality of my HD via my antenna walks over the quality of this 6200
[05:22:06] defaultro: looks like comcast is compressing the HD a little
[05:22:20] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: some channels have lower quality than others
[05:22:25] SlicerDicer-: and some programming is lower quality
[05:22:35] SlicerDicer-: I have seen 1 hour programs be 10gb or 8gb
[05:23:05] defaultro: i compared the same stations, PBS
[05:23:06] ik0n: I have a PVR-150MCE that I am having some color problems with... No matter what I adjust with the hue, saturation, contrast, etc, the picture still looks very washed out and kind of gray – does anyone have some suggestions on how I can improve the picture?
[05:24:00] defaultro: Slicer, correct me if I am wrong. Do you think that there is a possibility that I can see Discovery HD via firewire even if I cannot see it over the normal output from the 6200?
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[05:34:41] defaultro: Slicer, I installed back the firewire card
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[05:38:43] defaultro: I'm getting tons of this when recording on my Air2pc and when firewire card is present: FREAK! nxt200x: nxt200x_writebytes: i2c write error (addr 0x0a, err == -121)
[05:49:36] kormoc: you know you have issues with your own computer calls you a freak...
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[05:55:39] defaultro: hey kormoc
[05:55:47] defaultro: I wrote it :P
[05:56:06] defaultro: I rebuilding my kernel where ieee1394 aren't modules
[05:56:22] defaultro: if this still fails, I'm going to return this card and buy a different brand instead
[05:56:40] defaultro: this card is detected but don't know if it's good
[05:59:59] defaultro: Slicer, I followed your wiki but it 1394 isn't detected anymore :P
[06:04:53] laga: gah! error, no memalign() but sse enabled, either disable it or use --enable-memalign-hack – ./configure spits that at me, but it used to work jsut fine without this memalign hack in the same build tree without svn up or anything. this is on 0.19-fixes. any suggestions?
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[06:22:31] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: whats it doing?
[06:22:38] SlicerDicer-: I mean by detected
[06:22:55] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: is it showing up in lspci and so forht
[06:23:42] defaultro: it is showing up in lspci
[06:23:53] defaultro: but not in cat /proc/interrrupts
[06:25:26] mchou: I think my monitor is dying (again)
[06:25:43] defaultro: what's going on mchou
[06:25:52] defaultro: mchou, the firewire card I bought is bad
[06:25:54] mchou: probably on its last legs
[06:26:00] defaultro: mchou, it affects my air2pc
[06:26:17] mchou: defaultro: bullshit. more like the air2pc is bad
[06:26:52] mchou: I really doubt if the fw card is at fault
[06:27:02] defaultro: but when I remove the firewire card, air2pc started recording fine again
[06:27:20] mchou: there is nothing complicated about the firewire cards
[06:27:27] defaultro: i returned it back, air2pc freaked out again when it started recording
[06:27:30] defaultro: i know
[06:27:36] defaultro: it's really weird
[06:27:41] mchou: defaultro: lol. that tells me air2pc is at fault
[06:28:08] defaultro: hmmm, even if it was working for almost 18 months without issues
[06:28:18] mchou: bullshit
[06:28:48] mchou: that's cause your system wasnt loaded as it is now
[06:29:13] defaultro: i just added firewire and that does mean it wasn;t loaded
[06:29:22] mchou: fault with a2pc was probably there all along
[06:29:26] defaultro: i had fusion card added, everything was still fine
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[06:29:44] defaultro: anyways, I will try a different firewire card tomorrow
[06:30:07] defaultro: i will also talk to mike about his code on air2pc
[06:30:09] mchou: you can give it a shot, but I doubt it will change things
[06:30:23] defaultro: i might talk to mike first and I will show him the error
[06:30:31] mchou: just ditch a2pc and be done with it
[06:31:47] mchou: sigh. this pisses me off. Exactly same failure symptoms as my last monitor
[06:31:47] defaultro: :)
[06:32:04] defaultro: air2pc has been doin a great job, it walks over Comcast's HD
[06:32:20] mchou: lol
[06:32:35] mchou: except you dont get discoveryHD :)
[06:32:36] defaultro: Comcast HD is crap. I compared PBS on 6200 and air2pc, comcast isn't giving us the full data
[06:32:43] defaultro: yeah, that's what I hate too
[06:32:53] defaultro: once I get this working, Iwill try
[06:33:28] defaultro: are you saying that you cannot see discovery hd via 6200 composite/component out but does on firewire?
[06:33:49] mchou: goddamn filaments must be arcing
[06:34:09] mchou: defaultro: I'm saying nothing of the sort
[06:34:24] mchou: defaultro: you REALLY need to learn to pay attention
[06:34:49] defaultro: i am
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[06:34:59] mchou: defaultro: bullshit
[06:35:03] defaultro: LOL
[06:40:39] mchou: hmm, just did some research, maybe it can be bad capacitors. At least that's easy to fix
[06:40:49] defaultro: see if it's bloated
[06:40:59] defaultro: just installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8756-pkg1.run
[06:43:40] mchou: maybe it's really time to bite the bullet and get LCDs. PQ sucks on those though
[06:45:48] defaultro: 1.0–8756 is bad
[06:46:03] defaultro: not my day to day, freak! :(
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[06:46:50] mchou: defaultro: What firewire chip is on the card?
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[06:47:18] defaultro: FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
[06:47:46] mchou: There is nothing wrong with that fireire card
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[06:48:08] SlicerDicer-: defaultro: the TI chip I have works just fine
[06:48:24] defaultro: I really don't know why it happens
[06:48:42] mchou: it happens because air2pc drivers are shit
[06:48:53] defaultro: all i can tell is that, i've been recording back to back with fusion and air2pc without issues for a long time
[06:48:56] mchou: dont handle irq sharing
[06:49:01] defaultro: ah
[06:49:03] defaultro: could be
[06:50:19] mchou: SlicerDicer: you ever find out if the dual tuners on 3412 are individually addressable via firewire?
[06:52:07] mchou: weird. the monitor flickering stopped
[06:52:31] defaultro: but wait, i have already reaassigned IRQ 5 to Air2pc and 9 is being shared by ACPI and the firewire card
[06:52:57] mchou: lol
[06:53:17] defaultro: i thought it was an IRQ issue but it isn'et
[06:53:27] defaultro: earlier, they were sharing IRQ 10
[06:53:35] defaultro: then changed them in CMOS
[06:54:13] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I could never get it to work
[06:54:42] mchou: SlicerDicer-: at all or both tuners?
[06:54:50] SlicerDicer-: one tuner shows up
[06:54:52] SlicerDicer-: other does not
[06:55:10] mchou: defaultro: you should just turn acpi off
[06:55:25] mchou: SlicerDicer-: wow, that sucks
[06:55:29] defaultro: ok, how do I do it?
[06:55:34] SlicerDicer-: yeah it does mchou
[06:56:26] mchou: SlicerDicer-: gimme a quick rundown of what you tried to get the 2nd tuner working over firewire.....
[06:56:53] mchou: big picture stuff
[06:57:39] SlicerDicer-: plugging into both firewire ports or single
[06:57:44] defaultro: mchou, where do I turn off acpi
[06:57:45] SlicerDicer-: did not work
[06:58:29] mchou: SlicerDicer-: that part doesnt surprise me
[06:58:55] SlicerDicer-: mchou: have you ever seen your upcoming recordings just vanish
[06:58:58] SlicerDicer-: and have to reboot the backend?
[06:59:03] SlicerDicer-: I am flipping out over here
[06:59:11] SlicerDicer-: nobody can help me... I cant figure this out
[06:59:19] SlicerDicer-: I am missing 80% of my daily recordings I do
[06:59:23] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nope
[06:59:43] SlicerDicer-: I mean not that its critical its only stuff like green acres but damn it I am not awake at 5am when its on!
[07:00:05] SlicerDicer-: mchou: who do you think would know?
[07:00:08] mchou: SlicerDicer-: maybe you're running out of diisk space.
[07:00:13] defaultro: Slicer, I missed 24 a while ago :( :(
[07:00:13] SlicerDicer-: no I got 99gb
[07:00:23] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am getting close but I still have 99gb
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[07:05:23] SlicerDicer-: mchou: it just does not make sense that my upcoming recordings would just vanish
[07:05:23] mchou: SlicerDicer-: Do they all vanish or only some?
[07:05:23] SlicerDicer-: all of them
[07:05:23] SlicerDicer-: once I reboot the backend its fine
[07:05:23] mchou: SlicerDicer-: beats me. Sounds like a config problem
[07:05:23] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I dont know what....
[07:05:23] defaultro: later guys, too sleepy
[07:05:23] mchou: hehe. just read something funny online
[07:05:24] SlicerDicer-: mchou: maybe its mysql 5?
[07:05:24] mchou: there is a cable modem and eth port on each STB.....
[07:05:31] SlicerDicer-: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ings;#188462
[07:05:43] mchou: so conceivably you no longer need stand alone cable modem
[07:06:13] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[07:06:20] SlicerDicer-: mchou: you would be suprised :)
[07:06:25] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I didnt even know myth supported mysql 5
[07:06:38] SlicerDicer-: my digital voice box has modem
[07:06:48] SlicerDicer-: so by all rights I have 6 comcast modems in my house
[07:06:49] SlicerDicer-: lol
[07:07:03] mchou: digital voice box?
[07:07:10] SlicerDicer-: yeah I have comcast digital voice
[07:07:19] mchou: oh, that.
[07:07:27] SlicerDicer-: its quite nice actually
[07:07:38] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: you here?
[07:07:54] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I need your expert opinnion
[07:08:07] ** SlicerDicer- flings a spork at kormoc to get his attention **
[07:08:28] SlicerDicer-: dont make me resort to spitwads or peas... ;-)
[07:08:58] xris: SlicerDicer-: I think he went to sleep
[07:09:02] SlicerDicer-: shit
[07:09:02] xris: hasn't responded to my IM's for awhile
[07:10:06] SlicerDicer-: heh
[07:10:23] SlicerDicer-: xris: maybe you can answer
[07:10:39] SlicerDicer-: xris: would anything catastrophicly explode if I downgraded mysql from 5 to 4?
[07:10:47] dorel_: hey mm, any ideas how is mythtv sending text to the lcd display?
[07:10:48] xris: possibly
[07:11:19] xris: SlicerDicer-: should be relatively safe if you mysqldump your important databases and then re-import them into a clean install
[07:11:22] SlicerDicer-: damn it xris thats not what I wanted to hear!
[07:11:39] SlicerDicer-: ;-)
[07:11:42] xris: esp. if it's just mythconverg
[07:11:43] SlicerDicer-: no worries doing a dump
[07:12:31] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[07:12:53] SlicerDicer-: its not a problem I was just wondering what your thoughts were :)
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[07:31:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou: well
[07:31:05] SlicerDicer-: I am glad I backed it up heh
[07:31:06] SlicerDicer-: error string: SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/settings' was created with a different version of MySQL and cannot be read [#1033]
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[08:03:30] Goatz: is .19 that much worth it over .18? or should i stick it out with 18 and wait till code of summer is over with?
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[08:11:27] Calroth: you can check the 0.19 release notes, but as with everything computing, if you're happy with what you have, stick with it
[08:11:48] Calroth: in many ways, 0.19 is two steps forward, one step back :-p
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[08:17:10] deurf: hello everybody
[08:18:09] deurf: Is it possible to watch TV without mythtv record anything on my hard disk drive ?
[08:18:18] Dibblah: No.
[08:18:58] Dibblah: Well, it's possible to watch TV without MythTV. They haven't made that illegal yet.
[08:19:11] Dibblah: Should be, of course.
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[08:20:06] Dibblah: Why?
[08:20:06] deurf: Yes but it's the only software that i know that scan the digital terrestrial channels
[08:20:21] Dibblah: And?
[08:20:30] Dibblah: You haven't got the HD space?
[08:20:41] Goatz: can't you just set live tv buff to 0?
[08:20:46] deurf: when i watch tv about ten minutes, I found a 360MB file
[08:20:47] Dibblah: Nope.
[08:21:01] Dibblah: Uhuh. That's what the transmitter is sending.
[08:21:20] Dibblah: It does get expired (assuming you're running .19)
[08:21:50] Dibblah: (0.19 doesn't have a live-tv "buffer".
[08:22:44] Dibblah: Everything gets recorded in program-size chunks.
[08:24:23] Dibblah: So is there a reason why you don't want it recorded to disk?
[08:24:33] deurf: so if I watch TV about 3 hours, I'll have a 10GB mpeg file
[08:24:48] Dibblah: Another option, which suits some people better, is vdr. Or Kaffeine.
[08:24:50] deurf: I usualy watch tv 3 or 4 hours
[08:25:01] Agrajag-: watch less tv, it's bad for you
[08:25:05] Dibblah: Yes – But the files get automatically expired.
[08:25:20] Dibblah: However, that's not what Myth is really 'designed for'.
[08:25:45] Dibblah: You tell it what you want it to record. It records it. No more surfing for "something to watch"!
[08:25:54] Agrajag-: deurf: mplayer and xine both do dvb-t
[08:26:02] deurf: lol I can't watch less tv
[08:26:19] Dibblah: Get kittens. You will ;)
[08:26:35] deurf: ok but I can't set the kaffeine dvb client
[08:26:53] Dibblah: Mainly because they've chewed through all your cables, but...
[08:27:20] Dibblah: You mean http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/
[08:27:21] Dibblah: ?
[08:27:50] Dibblah: I'd suggest (strongly :) just getting a bigger HD.
[08:28:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody have any idea why when I downgrade mysql from 5 to 4 restore the database mythtv cannot connect to it
[08:28:22] Dibblah: Because the grants are external to mythconverg?
[08:28:26] Dibblah: What's the error?
[08:28:43] SlicerDicer-: I am wondering if its I need to rebuild QT
[08:28:51] Dibblah: And is your distribution braindeadly binding to 128
[08:28:51] SlicerDicer-: as its not loading the qmysql driver I think
[08:28:57] Dibblah: 127.0.0.1, even.
[08:29:11] Dibblah: Pastebin the error message.
[08:29:27] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/b6vz5L89.html
[08:29:30] deurf: ok thx for all see u later
[08:29:32] SlicerDicer-: was working on it :)
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[08:30:00] SlicerDicer-: Dibblah: I am rebuilding QT just for the hell of it
[08:30:32] Dibblah: :)
[08:30:46] SlicerDicer-: is that what it looks like to you?
[08:31:07] Dibblah: Possibly. What distro?
[08:31:32] Agrajag-: bet it's gentoo, why else would he be building qt
[08:32:28] Dibblah: And let the Gentoo bashing begin!
[08:33:15] SlicerDicer-: omg-optimlized
[08:34:05] SlicerDicer-: gentoo works great for my backend
[08:34:07] SlicerDicer-: I love it :)
[08:34:43] SlicerDicer-: if binary distro's had the latest .19 binaries for all the parts of myth I use I might someday consider it
[08:34:44] laga: yeah, gentoo isn't that bad for mythtv
[08:34:54] SlicerDicer-: but the lagtime is fricken horrible for mythtv and binaries
[08:35:43] SlicerDicer-: laga: yeah its pretty straight forward really
[08:36:02] SlicerDicer-: compiles can be a pain but its like meh whatever I get what I want and its easy enough
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[08:46:11] voltagex: can I get help with xmltv here? all I need is channel_ids for australia
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[09:06:57] Agrajag-: voltagex: yeah sure
[09:07:08] Agrajag-: which grabber are you using?
[09:16:25] dorel__: i think that the dvd rip/transcoding is taking the first language as default which isnt always english... any ideas?
[09:19:18] stuarta: quite likely that's exactly what is happening
[09:30:26] Agrajag-: voltagex: anyway here's my list for sydney, you're in nsw so i guess it's probably the same: http://pastebin.ca/52802
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[09:53:59] Goatz: if i have /lib/firmware i secreatly have 2.6.16 don't i?
[09:54:45] RaYmAn-Bx: the presence of some random directory doesn't really say anything about the kernel version
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[10:08:55] Agrajag-: Goatz: dunno where you got that idea from, i have 2.6.15 and i have that directory
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[10:16:09] Goatz: I was just reading sum guides wronge 1000 places to put 50 differant things.
[10:22:38] adante: hi guys, i've got a lot of files which seem to be floating in my recordings directory – is there something I can use to easily cross-validate between the recordings db and the files directory?
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[11:06:09] stuarta: afternoon Juski
[11:07:50] Merlin83b3: Heh
[11:07:52] Merlin83b3: Hi
[11:08:06] stuarta: hey Merlin
[11:08:19] Merlin83b3: Hiya
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[11:15:43] Juski: afternoon stuarta, Merlin83b3
[11:16:14] Juski: oh, it's 'monday' for sure ;-)
[11:16:51] Merlin83b3: Heh
[11:16:54] Merlin83b3: Yay short week!
[11:18:02] Juski: woohoo.. "From 1 June, NTL punters hooked up to the cableco's 2 meg service will see the speed of their service doubled to 4 meg at the same price of £24.99 a month."
[11:18:56] Merlin83b3: Heh, just after I get a free 512k to 2mb bump on my DSL.
[11:19:58] Juski: 24mb here we come
[11:20:00] Juski: (not)
[11:20:16] stuarta: i've been waiting for my bump from 512k – 2mb, got bored, payed for 1md, now I might get 4Mb....
[11:20:27] stuarta: >8Mb requires ADSL2+
[11:20:46] stuarta: or cable :)
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[11:35:57] ** ivor prods at his maxed out 2mb piece of string. **
[11:36:26] Juski: ivor: try wetting it
[11:36:36] ivor: and pulling it tight?
[11:36:51] Juski: yes, but not too tight. any twangs can shake the water off it
[11:42:01] Juski: I just looked at the Google SoC webpage... er... what's this? "Port to windows" ?!?!?! hmm
[11:44:45] Juski: I have a bad feeling about mythtv running on windows. bye bye reliability. hello, very confused users
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[12:00:33] laga: 'where do i get the sql driver for mssql?!"
[12:01:28] hpAuto: heh, is that differant than now
[12:02:07] laga: nope. ;)
[12:05:53] Juski: "how do I go fuck myself?"
[12:07:06] Juski: laga: I read today that German forum moderators can be held legally accountable for what users say in the forums
[12:07:16] Juski: !! a bad day
[12:12:32] laga: Juski: yeah. heise was fighting that court decision. dunno if they succeeded.
[12:12:51] laga: and i dunno if it applies to international forums as well
[12:13:12] laga: but, it's yet another reason for resigning. (and moving to a different country)
[12:16:19] laga: what's this 'mytharchive' stuff? i've seen it referenced in some commit logs
[12:18:02] Captain_Murdoch: sort of like the next version of mythburn, but it will be in the official SVN tree.
[12:19:01] hpAuto: when is mythburn getting updated?
[12:19:07] hpAuto: cause it doesn't work on mythtv now
[12:19:09] laga: Captain_Murdoch: that is awesome news!!
[12:19:20] laga: hpAuto: did you get cvs head?
[12:19:35] hpAuto: I don't get much head lately
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[12:19:54] laga: that's because your jokes suck
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[12:20:26] hpAuto: I'm not sure where to get that though
[12:20:45] laga: hpAuto: from sourceforge, i suppose
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[12:22:18] hpAuto: how about mythstream, that ever getting updated
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[12:38:36] jvs: hpAuto, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006 – go, code, do smthg!
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[12:40:49] sapbeast: test
[12:41:00] hpAuto: I'm really good at finding bugs, not always mythtv problems but they all interplay
[12:41:20] hpAuto: I think updating xorg just fixed my osd problem
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[12:45:48] ** _nero_ wonders if he should apply to google summer of code.. heh.. I'll be finishing up my PhD work about a week after the deadline, so I'd still be enrolled.. hummmm.. **
[12:56:48] LLLyric: Aaargh
[12:56:50] LLLyric: Myth/ivtv was working great for a couple of weeks, now it's giving me "Firmware UNRESPONSIVE when trying cmd 0x00000095!!! No Free Mailbox for cmd 0x000000bd after 100 tries!" etc
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[13:15:55] Juski: hmmm mytharchive... I did some intros for that. to anyone who says I do nothing but moan... muhahahaha ;-)
[13:16:57] stuarta: anything's better than mythburn
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[13:48:58] ** LLLyric optimistically updates to ivtv 0.7 and restarts his myth box **
[13:50:46] GreyFoxx: There is a 0.7 now? man am I ever behind :)
[13:51:14] stuarta: yeah, but if it ain't broke.....
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[13:53:38] sapbeast: i cant run a 2.6.16 kernel yet for newer ivtv
[13:56:33] GreyFoxx: stuarta: Exaclty, which is why I'm still running a 0.2.* rc
[13:57:23] LLLyric: I'm only upgrading because I'm having some issues. After a few days of use it starts (twice? now) to get errors above
[13:57:44] stuarta: thankfully I don't need ivtv & kernel upgrade tend to improve dvb support for me.
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[13:59:14] Zider: finally the new drive is installed in my mythbox
[13:59:18] Zider: watching livetv stutters all the time tho
[14:00:46] sapbeast: i get that even on mine with 0% cpu usage
[14:00:59] Zider: :P
[14:01:02] sapbeast: alot of "rebuffering" messages on livetv, however the recording is fine
[14:01:21] Zider: 28% cpu used
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[14:02:34] sapbeast: if i rewind a few seconds the mssages go away, i can only imagine its trying too hard to buffer livetv at the start
[14:03:06] Zider: I don't get any messages, only short pauses in video and audio..
[14:03:50] Zider: could be my crappy tv card tho ;)
[14:05:01] sapbeast: what kind is it
[14:05:42] Zider: not really sure, some noname bt878 card..
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[14:06:32] sapbeast: might not be pci bus friendly then, you could try to change the pci latency with pciutils
[14:07:13] Zider: sapbeast: that's more than I know ;)
[14:07:45] Zider: most stuff in the box is pretty.. modern.. except the tv card.. ;)
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[14:11:29] Zider: could it have any effect if I switch pci slot?
[14:12:15] stuarta: of course
[14:12:52] Zider: which end should it be then?
[14:13:41] stuarta: dunno, you have to try them out, see how that affects your IRQ allocations....
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[14:14:35] Zider: stuarta: so I get another PCI-id?
[14:14:40] Zider: IRQ-id
[14:14:41] Zider: even
[14:14:52] Jelte: hiya... is there a way to change the tuners current channel when you are in the mythfrontend menu? since using "Watch TV" will attempt to show live tv on the current channel. If that channel is not giving any data from the tuner, it will time out and put you back on the menu....
[14:15:01] Jelte: how do you change channel to a working one in that case?
[14:15:27] stuarta: Zider: moving the card normally changes it's IRQ
[14:15:38] Jelte: only option I've worked out, is to schedule a recording on a working channel, once it starts recording, delete the recording, and then watch tv which is then on the right channel.... but that is a bit tedious...
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[14:17:23] Zider: stuarta: well, what irq should it have then? :P
[14:17:55] stuarta: every mobo is different. preferrably it should not share it with anything.
[14:18:18] Zider: so it's shared irq's that messes things up?
[14:18:21] opello: Jelte: i think there's a ptune.pl that can change the channel, but i'm not sure where it is
[14:18:57] stuarta: bt878 cards are known to dislike sharing IRQs,
[14:19:17] stuarta: they do still work with shared IRQs they just aren't happy about it.
[14:19:37] Zider: ah
[14:19:38] Jelte: opello: , ah I'll google for that, thanks.... but shouldn't mythfrontend be a bit smarter? ie when it doesn't receive data for x seconds on a given channel, bring up a dialog and allow the user to select a different channel or something... rather than just going back to the menu
[14:19:53] Zider: I think I have shared irq's set in the kernel..
[14:20:14] RaYmAn-Bx: I wonder if there's actually anything that likes sharing irq's :S Besides extremely low-interrupt devices perhaps
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[14:21:01] stuarta: Zider: cat /proc/interrupts. that'll tell you what is sharing with what
[14:21:50] Zider: stuarta: ah, shared with libata and usb..
[14:22:24] stuarta: try different pci slots to see if you can improve the situation
[14:22:35] opello: Jelte: you can change the start channel in 'mythsetup' which should be set to that when you start the backend
[14:22:50] Zider: stuarta: I just moved it one slot closer to the agp, so it's closest now
[14:23:17] Jelte: opello thats still not really the solution though... the backend can get itself stuck on a bad channel... the frontend should be able to cope with that, without the need of restarting the backend
[14:23:56] opello: i didn't think it had that problem :) i thought it just showed static for me last time a channel was removed and changed for another
[14:24:07] Goatz: zider if you have no pnp os set in your bios (i.e. your bios sets up your devices) see whats on what irq at boot, and btw, image a highway would u want to be speeding at 2m/s by yourself or having someone else tring to speed by you at 2m/s allso (same little road)
[14:24:12] opello: at least, with my crappy analog cable
[14:24:47] Jelte: opello: , on mine (DVB-T) it shows a black screen, during which time the frontend doesn't seem to take any input, thus not allowing me to change the channel :-(
[14:24:52] sapbeast: i think on some boards you can force a slot to use an irq
[14:25:56] Zider: Goatz: it's set to no PNP os
[14:26:11] liran_: where can i get mame-emulator games so i can play those on mythtv?
[14:28:20] Zider: Goatz: how do I force a card to use a certain IRQ?
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[14:34:57] Goatz: try checking ur mobo manual it will normally show u slow = irq mapping or check the pnp section of your bios setup but if u don't have many cards in your system I normally do vid card empty space next highest bandwidth empty space.....
[14:37:14] Zider: Goatz: I can select reserved or available for each irq, that's all..
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[14:43:58] Zider: Goatz: putting them with an empty pci between each didn't help..
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[15:19:49] liran_: i have the hauppauge 150 pvr card, do i choose analog v4l capture card or mpeg2 encoder?
[15:21:48] liran_: ive chosen the mpeg2 encoder pvr x50/500 card type
[15:22:16] liran_: but in input connections i dont see all of the input connections that i saw before (svideo0, svideo1, compo0, compo1 and tuner)
[15:22:58] liran_: the only thing isee is [ mpeg : /dev/video0 (tv8532) -> PVR
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[15:24:17] AngryElf: liran_, you saw them before, when?
[15:24:35] AngryElf: those connection types come up on mine, but i use a 350 which has all of those connections
[15:24:48] AngryElf: doesn't the 150 only have a coaxial input? and no other connections on the back?
[15:25:00] liran_: when i first installed this system but i just made sure that the tv card worked with the svideo thing and then left it like it was
[15:25:08] liran_: no, it has svideo, comp, an ir blaster
[15:25:39] AngryElf: well the only one you need is /dev/video0
[15:26:11] liran_: right but im saying that before i had 5 of those entries, each for each connection type i had
[15:27:34] liran_: i got to going over mythtv-setup after i tried watching tv and got some error
[15:27:37] liran_: hold up ill show you
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[15:34:57] liran_: here is what i meanm
[15:35:24] liran_: "TVRec(1): changing from none to watchinglivetv" – "channelbase: could not find input: Svideo 0 on card when setting channel 27
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[15:38:34] liran_: ok thats weird now
[15:39:01] liran_: i've deleted all input cards, added a new one, chose mpeg-2 encoder card (pvr-x50) and i get video device: /dev/video0 and default input: tv8532
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[15:59:06] liran_: nm, solved it
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[16:21:01] Jasoka: Hi, any pointers how to integrate mythtv svn version to gentoo? Use ebuild (available from somewhere?), write my own ebuild or just directly shoot using make?
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[16:21:49] a1fa: how about using svn?
[16:21:59] a1fa: svn checkout url mythtv
[16:22:03] Merlin83b2: Jasoka: Just download the source using svn and build it.
[16:22:32] Jasoka: No worries of possibly screwing the dependencies in the system?
[16:22:49] Merlin83b2: How? You're only installing mythtv...
[16:23:17] Jasoka: No shared libraries involved?
[16:23:38] Merlin83b2: Only myth libraries would be installed.
[16:23:49] Merlin83b2: Take a backup before you install first time if you like.
[16:24:01] Merlin83b2: (in fact, do that. It's a good plan)
[16:24:11] Jasoka: :)
[16:24:58] Jasoka: Well diving to makefiles probably reveals what get installed and where...
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[16:34:02] xris: yeah, backup the database
[16:34:15] xris: and make sure that you uninstall the old myth first
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[16:40:53] Jasoka: btw, is anyone here using DVB-C with myth?
[16:41:35] Jasoka: I'm just a bit worried if I will be out of luck even with svn version with such cards
[16:43:39] Jasoka: rel 0.19 seems to be able to show DVB-C broadcasts but many problems remain. Not that I'm complaining though...
[16:45:29] Jasoka: and in the end I'm ready to roll up my own sleeves as well. But anyway it would surely be nice to know that someone is actually using the system with similar setup.
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[16:52:32] mchou: anyone remember the name of the linux util that generates monitor patterns (for monitor adjustment)?
[16:54:21] diamon: Anyone know why my Myth system would be pretending to record like always, but not actually doing so? I'm still double-checking my permissions and all, but so far I don't see why it's doing this. The program entry shows up, but no video file is present for it. The card driver is loaded though, and seems to be operating correctly.
[16:55:25] Dibblah: monica?
[16:55:28] Dibblah: mchou...
[16:55:41] xris: diamon: logs
[16:56:08] xris: and/or run `mythbackend -v all`, schedule a recording and watch what the backend prints out when it tries
[16:56:10] diamon: xris: Checking them still, but nothing useful so far. Looks like business as usual, except that it recorded no video file.
[16:56:31] diamon: xris: Good idea.
[16:56:56] diamon: So I'm guessing this isn't some kind of known issue then?
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[16:58:20] Anonycat: I just set up MythTV. When I go to Watch TV, the screen flickers black and immediately returns to the menu. Console output from that is at http://pastebin.com/694454 . Any ideas?
[17:00:19] laga: Anonycat: you'd better look at the backend logs
[17:01:00] Anonycat: where is that stored?
[17:01:35] laga: Anonycat: what distro?
[17:01:45] Anonycat: Fedora
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[17:02:17] laga: Anonycat: probably /var/log/myth* but i'm not sure
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[17:20:05] Dibblah: Okay. The first 6 mplexes are at least close-to-valid and check out with dvbsnoop.
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[17:30:22] jonk: is there a way to send a text message and have it displayed on screen — in particualr a message to someone watching livetv?
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[17:31:25] ficusplanet: Hey everyone. In tvtime, I can specify to Apply a 16:10 matte to the image which will let me watch sdtv in a way that fills my widescreen monitor. Is there a similar option in MythTV? I can't seem to find one.
[17:31:25] laga: jonk: yep.
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[17:31:32] laga: jonk: i forgot the name of the app, though.
[17:31:45] laga: jonk: mythtvosd maybe
[17:31:47] xris: ficusplanet: aspect override?
[17:31:54] xris: I think it's just A
[17:32:40] ficusplanet: xris: Doh. Thanks.
[17:33:05] jonk: I'll wander through the directories ..
[17:37:02] jonk: it is mythtvosd, but it doesn't look like I can just pass the text i want displayed as a command line paramter,
[17:37:38] jonk: i need to pass a template "alert" "cid" or "scroller"
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[17:38:49] mmead: SlicerDicer-: I seem to have one issue remaining with my firewire config.
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[17:41:25] xris: mmead: is SlicerDicer- even awake yet?
[17:41:36] mmead: xris: I have no idea
[17:42:07] mmead: it looks like I'm going to try to get dolby prologic decoding put into place
[17:42:39] xris: mmead: he doesn't usually wake up before noon (another hour and a half)
[17:42:46] mmead: xris: aha, thanks
[17:47:32] Servo888: Anybody know if ubuntu .19 is in ubuntu's unstable branch?
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[17:52:29] ficusplanet: Servo888: At the moment, no. I'm not sure if it is planned for dapper, but I kind of doubt it.
[17:54:13] Servo888: That kind of sucks... I don't want to build; it defeats the whole purpose of me going to ubuntu... grr
[17:54:46] Servo888: ficusplanet, I wonder if there are any 3rd party folks with mythtv packages... hmm
[17:54:57] ficusplanet: Yeah. I was in the same boat. I use ubuntu on my desktop but decided to go with MythDora for my htpc.
[17:55:15] laga: well, i think some guy called thehunter has packages for breezy
[17:56:07] Servo888: http://deb.thehunter.ws/dists/breezy/mythtv-stable/ theHunter.wx
[17:56:33] ficusplanet: Oh, cool.
[17:59:08] ficusplanet: Does anybody know if high resolutions (specifically 1680x1050) are possible with a unichrome pro based system? I'm having trouble getting higher resolutions to work.
[17:59:47] robthebob: i thought the 1024x1024 limit was only on non-pro
[18:00:54] ficusplanet: Hmm...I probably just have something wrong with my xorg.conf. I'm running at 1280x1024 just fine, but higher than that crashes X.
[18:02:25] robthebob: im pretty sure you should be able to do 1600x1200
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[18:02:38] robthebob: not that i have one!
[18:02:46] robthebob: 1680 should therefore be ok too...
[18:03:09] ficusplanet: robthebob: Thanks. I'll just play with it a bit more. Overall, this thing seems really cool.
[18:03:50] robthebob: ficusplanet: good luck, ive heard they're worth the effort, thinking about picking one up myself
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[18:17:29] mchou: jonk: hey, so is your new system up and running?
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[18:51:25] flithm: hey everyone... anyone know if it's possible to set default values for the picture controls (recording) like brightness and so forth?
[18:52:05] mmead: flithm: I do it at boot with ivtvctl in an /etc/init.d script that runs before mythbackend does
[18:52:34] flithm: mmead, hey sweet I hadn't thought of that
[18:53:28] flithm: thanks :)
[18:53:30] mmead: flithm: yep
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[18:54:00] xris: I just update the database
[18:54:11] mmead: xris: by channel or overall?
[18:54:38] mmead: xris: what do you do for temporal and spatial noise reduction?
[18:55:58] xris: mmead: I don't have noisy recordings
[18:56:30] xris: and back when I could adjust recording color settings, I'd do it globally via the channel table
[18:56:39] mmead: I see
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[19:05:45] ivor: ficusplanet: yeah whould be possible... but I haven't tried it myself.
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[19:06:36] Zider: ohh, I just noticed scummvm can be used with a joystick.. perfect on the mythbox.. :D
[19:06:37] ficusplanet: ivor: Cool. Thanks. Are you an openchrome dev?
[19:06:43] ivor: yeah
[19:06:58] ficusplanet: ivor: Sweet. Thanks for working on that.
[19:08:20] mchou: Can someone pls confirm if the picture controls (contrast/hue) still work during playback? I pressed the 'F' key (default assignment) but nothing happened.
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[19:12:38] mmead: dunno
[19:14:15] eruantalon: I've got a problem with sound in mythtv. Mythtv can't see my soundcard even though my sound is working perfectly in kde, amarok, xmms. Running myth 0.19 , linux-kernel 2.6.15, debian testing, and using udev (i have no /dev/dsp)
[19:14:28] eruantalon: Can Mythtv use alsa?
[19:14:33] mmead: yes
[19:14:45] mmead: eruantalon: do you have loose enough permissions on the device for mythtv to write to it?
[19:15:05] kormoc: or for that matter, did you tell myth to use alsa?
[19:15:07] eruantalon: There is no /dev/dsp
[19:15:31] eruantalon: So i can't set permissions
[19:15:39] kormoc: eruantalon, alsa still has devices, they are under /dev/snd usually tho
[19:15:47] eruantalon: ok
[19:15:56] kormoc: eruantalon, but given you had to ask if myth supported alsa, I imagine you havn't told myth to use alsa, have you?
[19:16:17] eruantalon: no i suppose not
[19:16:30] eruantalon: in myth-setup or mythfrontend?
[19:16:52] kormoc: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html <-- under Using ALSA
[19:17:11] eruantalon: i'll take a look. Thanks
[19:19:44] eruantalon: What i am supposed to change is "Audio output device" right? I can't because nothing is listed there
[19:19:51] eruantalon: Neither /dev/dsp or alsa
[19:19:57] kormoc: you can type into that box
[19:20:00] xris: eruantalon: might need to compile mythtv with alsa support
[19:20:01] mmead: eruantalon: you have to type it in
[19:20:38] eruantalon: )I am using debian-marillat packages, no alsa support?
[19:20:58] laga: i think marillat's packages support ALSA
[19:21:04] eruantalon: Hmm
[19:21:06] laga: eruantalon: mythfrontend --version
[19:21:31] eruantalon: hans@coops2:~$ mythfrontend --version
[19:21:32] eruantalon: Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2
[19:21:32] eruantalon: Source code version: exporté
[19:21:32] eruantalon: Options compiled in:
[19:21:32] eruantalon: linux debug using_xvmcw using_v4l using_oss using_alsa using_arts using_jack using_ivtv using_firewire using_dbox2 using_lirc using_joystick_menu using_dvb using_dvb_eit using_x11 using_xv using_dvdnav using_xrandr using_xvmc using_xvmc_vld using_opengl_vsync using_frontend using_backend
[19:21:38] laga: thanks for flooding
[19:21:48] eruantalon: sorry
[19:22:07] eruantalon: I don't usually use kopete
[19:22:55] laga: eruantalon: heh ;) we like to use pastebins like www.pastebin.ca for larger pastes. one or two lines are usually ok, though
[19:23:13] eruantalon: ok
[19:23:28] eruantalon: It wasn't supposed to be seperate posts
[19:24:06] eruantalon: doesn't "using_alsa" mean i have alsa support?
[19:25:07] laga: eruantalon: yep
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[19:26:23] eruantalon: And I've put ALSA:default in my audio output device line
[19:26:31] eruantalon: That should be it right
[19:28:10] laga: what about the mixer?
[19:28:19] eruantalon: what about it?
[19:28:30] eruantalon: I just tried disabling the internal mixer
[19:28:34] shadowFAX: wat's goin on ?
[19:28:51] laga: shadowFAX: obviously not your spell checker
[19:28:59] eruantalon: Because i know the external is turned up
[19:29:12] laga: eruantalon: well, that's OK if it works for you, i think
[19:29:30] eruantalon: laga: I can turn it on again if that simplifies things
[19:30:16] eruantalon: Is there any of the four checkboxes i need to check?
[19:31:46] shadowFAX: ny mentors here ??
[19:32:01] eruantalon: Why can't i find mythplugins in marillats packages?
[19:32:47] eruantalon: It would be nice to be able to test wether playing some other kind of audio from within mythtv works
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[19:33:42] eruantalon: I have a WinTV-PVR 150 MCE tunercard if that is of any significance
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[19:38:09] eruantalon: Can i make a link from /dev/dsp to some device in /dev/snd/ and make it work that way?
[19:38:50] eruantalon: Does debian not have a package for plugins to mythtv?
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[19:39:13] laga: eruantalon: of course it does. maybe mythplugins?
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[19:40:20] eruantalon: laga: It is not in marillat repo
[19:40:48] eruantalon: Can i compile the plugin source and use it with marillat?
[19:44:01] laga: eruantalon:you need to install libmyth-0.19-dev
[19:44:05] ** laga lags like hell **
[19:44:25] laga: eruantalon: and you'll have to make sure the plugins get installed into /usr/ instead of /usr/local/
[19:44:41] laga: eruantalon: are you sure that there are no plugins? are you running debian sarge?
[19:44:48] eruantalon: ok
[19:44:55] eruantalon: etch
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[19:47:24] Cyburai: I'm having a heck of a time getting lirc up and running on my fedora system (hauppage pvr250), can anyone help? I just can't seem to get the kernel module to load.
[19:49:25] eruantalon: laga: I think i'll mail marillat and ask why there is no mythplugins package for testing
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[19:54:10] caitlin: g'morning boys and germs
[19:54:26] caitlin: would anyone else happen to be using a: NV11DDR ?
[19:54:48] eruantalon: no
[19:55:07] xris: eruantalon: look for the individual packages — mythmusic, etc.
[19:55:21] eruantalon: they are not there either
[19:57:17] caitlin: i cant make the composite work on this card :(
[19:58:13] sapbeast: man thats an old card now
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[20:00:03] SlicerDicer-: xris: and kormoc it seems downgrading from mysql 5 to mysql 4 fixed the problem with the upcoming recordings
[20:00:14] caitlin: fuck it
[20:00:16] caitlin: i shall rip the one from my other pc
[20:00:18] sapbeast: caitlin: is that a geforce 256 ddr
[20:00:29] xris: SlicerDicer-: cool
[20:01:20] caitlin: yeh
[20:01:28] caitlin: google's hardly heard of it
[20:01:35] sapbeast: i have one of those, just not in use
[20:01:46] sapbeast: well it did come out in late 1999 :p
[20:01:49] caitlin: i've got a 5200fx, i'll use that, it's been working before it can't be harder
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[20:02:43] sapbeast: i have one of those too :p
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[20:11:12] ficusplanet: Is there anyway to do HDTV decoding on a Via/Unichrome Pro based system? How could you off-load the bulk of the processing to other hardware?
[20:12:01] ivor: a unichrome-pro should decode mpeg2 hdtv without problems.
[20:12:59] ficusplanet: ivor: Really? Wow. So a standard PC-HDTV card would be all you'd need, then?
[20:13:30] ivor: should putter along just fine.
[20:13:50] ficusplanet: ivor: Sweet.
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[20:20:10] kazan: any way to make mythtv expire all livetv recordings nightly?
[20:22:58] Gumby: kazan: yes, its in one of the settings pages
[20:23:05] Gumby: cant remember which but its there IIRC
[20:23:23] armand: yup its in there
[20:23:31] armand: just change it to 1day
[20:23:41] armand: thats as close to nightly as you're going to get
[20:24:28] kazan: what setting page?
[20:24:37] armand: i dont have them memorized lol
[20:25:07] laga: you don't?
[20:25:13] ** laga raises an eyebrow **
[20:25:23] armand: i had to rm them from the brain to make room for 'what a doorknock means'
[20:26:11] laga: oh, right
[20:26:16] ** laga knockss on the door **
[20:26:25] armand: whos there?! :)
[20:26:27] kazan: that will expire my TV shows too won't it?
[20:26:34] kazan: i want my regular recordings not to expire
[20:26:41] kazan: but liveTV entries to get plastered nightly
[20:26:42] armand: there is a specific setting for how long to keep livetv recordings
[20:26:45] kazan: k
[20:27:03] armand: its a number, in days
[20:27:08] armand: default is 7 i think?
[20:27:13] kazan: mwahha mythfrontend froze on my fiancee, so i sshed in and killed it and she restarted it :D
[20:28:15] mmead: kazan: a little script to monitor the power button and watch for it to be held down for 5s is a handy thing :)
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[20:29:38] kazan: mmead: my lirc commands are going to mythtv not irxevent
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[20:30:00] mmead: kazan: running irw doesn't output what buttons are pressed?
[20:30:14] kazan: you misunderstand me
[20:30:34] kazan: lircd is running and my .lircrc triggers are all program = mythtv
[20:30:36] mmead: kazan: my lirc commands are going to mythtv too
[20:30:43] mmead: kazan: that's fine
[20:30:54] kazan: i thought you couldn't run irw while lircd was running
[20:31:08] mmead: irw connects to the socket that lircd writes to
[20:31:17] mmead: at least here it does
[20:31:18] kazan: ah
[20:31:23] armand: irw wont work without lircd running
[20:31:24] kazan: does it clear the buffer?
[20:31:35] kazan: IE if irw is running nothing else will see the command
[20:31:43] mmead: no, multiple clients can read the socket simultaneously
[20:31:52] mmead: irw /dev/lircd | while read id cnt name long; do
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[20:31:57] mmead: etc.
[20:32:08] mmead: I just case $name:$cnt and look for Power:05
[20:32:20] mmead: detect state, and either start or stop mythfrontend and X
[20:33:40] mmead: that way when mythfrontend hangs, I can just hold the power button, and it is killed off, then hold the power button for a restart
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[20:34:53] caitlin: could someone tell me what ownership and permissions their ringbuffer folder has?
[20:35:54] kazan: should be the user that mythfrontend is running under IIRC
[20:35:55] mmead: caitlin: .18?
[20:36:02] laga: there's no such thing.
[20:36:05] kazan: i run frontend as user mythtv, backend is running as a daemon (root)
[20:36:16] indranil: xris: are you the mentor of this SOC project: MythWeb UI Redesign (AJAX)
[20:36:24] caitlin: hmm, it's failing to read
[20:37:09] kormoc: indranil, yes, he is
[20:37:17] indranil: ok, cool
[20:37:29] ProtocoLD: lrunning R5B7, working fine for months untill last night, I went to ext from livetv & it hung. I did a cold reboot and now it gets to the splash screen and nothing. any ideas ?
[20:38:12] indranil: kormoc: are projects tied to a single student? i mean only one can apply?
[20:38:22] ProtocoLD: ... a manual restart hangs the box as well
[20:38:38] kormoc: indranil, I think they get assigned a single project, but many can apply for each position
[20:38:49] indranil: oh ok
[20:39:02] indranil: kormoc: but it helps if you talk to the mentor, right? :)
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[20:39:17] kormoc: heh, can't really hurt I guess :)
[20:39:22] indranil: :)
[20:39:33] indranil: he ain't around, it seems
[20:41:16] kazan: no idea ProtocoLD
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[20:41:35] ** kazan wonders WTF r5b7 is **
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[20:41:56] ProtocoLD: here are some of the final logs from the mythbackend
[20:41:59] ProtocoLD: 2006-05–02 03:17:18.467 Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database
[20:41:59] ProtocoLD: already has 67 tables.
[20:41:59] ProtocoLD: If you are sure this is a good mythtv database, verify
[20:41:59] ProtocoLD: that the settings table has the DBSchemaVer variable.
[20:41:59] ProtocoLD: 2006-05–02 03:17:18.470 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.
[20:42:00] ProtocoLD: 2006-05–02 03:17:18.472 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema
[20:42:10] ProtocoLD: .
[20:43:58] xris: indranil: yes
[20:44:10] indranil: hello sir
[20:44:25] xris: indranil: I'm not actually sure how this whole thing works...
[20:44:36] indranil: well, me neither
[20:45:08] indranil: well, I should apply
[20:45:27] xris: applying is probably the best way to start
[20:45:32] indranil: :)
[20:45:36] caitlin: TELLLLY
[20:46:02] indranil: xris: does the project call for a redesign too?
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[20:47:01] xris: indranil: redesign of what?
[20:47:16] indranil: the site
[20:47:16] xris: there's a fair amount of redesign involved, though, yes....
[20:47:23] indranil: cool
[20:47:33] xris: I'd like someone who has some competency with CSS and graphical design
[20:47:45] indranil: I hope I do :)
[20:48:32] indranil: I should link to my portfolio in the application
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[20:51:18] xris: couldn't hurt.  :)
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[20:51:27] lwizardl: hi
[20:51:43] kazan: oh some rube on slashdot is bellyaching and accusing the IVTV people of lieing because he couldn't get is PVR250 working
[20:51:57] kazan: and claims it's because "it's got incompatable firmware according to my friend"
[20:52:01] kazan: um.. ivtv loads the firmware
[20:52:14] kazan: he's probably got a PVR 250 Roselyn and clearly didn't RTFM
[20:52:27] indranil: xris: wish me luck
[20:52:34] indranil: and the rest of you too..
[20:52:53] RaYmAn-Bx: there's too many trolls on slashdot to pay attention to what they whine about =P
[20:53:17] ** xris stopped reading anything but the front page at /. months ago **
[20:53:38] kazan: they need to fire zonk
[20:53:47] lwizardl: if i want to record HDTV shows (480p/720p/1080i) and beable to play them back what system specs am I looking at needing as a minimum
[20:54:27] ** kazan shudders – an nvidia board (for XvMC) [i feel dirty] **
[20:54:32] xris: lwizardl: 2ghz minimum proc for playback. faster if you want to record on the same box
[20:54:32] kazan: and a fairly recent CPU
[20:54:42] kazan: a shitton of harddrive
[20:54:46] kazan: and a hardware encoding card
[20:54:48] xris: yeah. BIG hard drive
[20:54:53] xris: kazan: no
[20:54:55] kazan: DON'T use a software encoder card
[20:54:57] sapbeast: hdtv is already encoded, it should be 0% cpu with any card
[20:55:03] kazan: oh right :P
[20:55:04] xris: kazan: HD is already encoded.. ^^^^
[20:55:06] sapbeast: at least capturing it
[20:55:10] kazan: there is one card that decodes it
[20:55:12] ** kormoc would be amused by a hd bt card **
[20:55:14] kazan: forget what it is
[20:55:18] xris: sapbeast: lots of cpu used to capture... not sure why, though.
[20:55:21] kazan: so you have to reencode it
[20:55:23] kazan: it's nasty
[20:55:33] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at kazan. **
[20:55:46] sapbeast: well that doesnt make any sense... hdtv is mpeg transport stream over the air
[20:55:54] kormoc: I really doubt it, as it can't really encode in realtime on any proc yet.
[20:56:00] xris: sapbeast: figured it was pci bandwidth or something.
[20:56:03] kazan: was an ATSC card i think
[20:56:11] xris: I can't watch and record HD at the same time... watching recorded is usually ok
[20:56:26] xris: I don't have very accelerated video, though.
[20:56:29] sapbeast: still odd... hdtv is around 15–30 mbit which is hardly touching the limit of even the pci bus
[20:56:34] sapbeast: oh well
[20:57:06] kormoc: kazan, there are atsc digital/ analog tuners that have a bt chip for the standard cable, but full digital for over the air stuff...
[20:57:07] Zider: isn't it 15–30mbit from card plus 15–30mbit to harddrive controller?
[20:57:23] lwizardl: well what I'm wanting to do is have a backend box setup to record both sd and hd shows hopefully at the same time. and then have a front box setup to watch the shows
[20:57:27] mchou: xris: what exactly happens when you watch and record HD simultaneously?
[20:57:28] sapbeast: 30mbit is like 1% of the pci bus bandwidth, its still very low
[20:57:39] kormoc: shared pci bandwidth tho
[20:57:41] kazan: kormoc: *Shrugs* somewhere it said something about needing a 3GHz cpu to watch liveTV HD with this one card
[20:58:01] armand: 3ghz for native 1080i maybe
[20:58:03] xris: mchou: it gets really skippy and unwatchable
[20:58:04] kormoc: kazan, no, a 3 ghz can't encoder live 1080i.
[20:58:13] armand: kormoc: no?
[20:58:22] kormoc: armand, realtively certain it can't
[20:58:26] mchou: xris: what proc and GPU?
[20:58:31] armand: i need to get hdtv clue, looking to upgrade everything to hd soon
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[20:58:48] kormoc: my 2.8 dual core only gets around 18 fps on 1080i
[20:58:59] sapbeast: decoding takes alot yes, playing captured streams is barely full speed on my xp 3200 (and not 1080)
[20:58:59] mchou: kormoc: what are you talking about? there is no encode
[20:59:04] xris: mchou: SiS pundit and 2.4G p4.
[20:59:11] xris: it's slow. video out isn't accelerated properly, either.
[20:59:21] xris: can't do 1080i at all
[20:59:25] mchou: xris: ok. good to know
[20:59:52] sapbeast: well to put it in perspective HDTV is nearly 4 times the average dvd mpeg-2 bandwidth and 4 times the visual resolution (at least)
[20:59:54] mchou: xris: that's integrated video, right? (shared mem)
[20:59:57] xris: yeah
[21:00:27] xris: my desktop (2.8G p-D) also has weird playback issues with some streams... I can often play back 1080i perfectly, but some 480i content is all messed up. drives me nuts.
[21:00:35] xris: I think I'm just cursed
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[21:01:01] adante: guys, for the digital tv tuners with analog/composite input, can both the tuner and the input be used simultaneously, or does this depend mainly on the specific tuner?
[21:01:02] mchou: xris: hehe, I think you may be running into memory bandwidth issues (amongst other things)
[21:01:14] xris: mchou: on the pundit? could be
[21:01:23] xris: it's 533mhz fsb, not exactly a beast
[21:01:27] mchou: xris: yeah
[21:01:31] kazan: adante: one encoder = one input in use at a time AFAIK
[21:01:42] mchou: xris: no, share mem on 1080i playback
[21:01:49] sapbeast: i dont know mpeg-2 decode for hdtv is a cpu beast... look at h.264 software decoding also of high resolution content (its slow also!)
[21:02:02] xris: mchou: maybe I'll have money to upgrade when my latest side project goes public and makes me a bunch of money.
[21:02:12] mchou: xris: haha!!
[21:02:22] xris: sapbeast: I'd be happy to get the encoding to work properly without sync issues.
[21:02:25] laga: xris: mead brewery? ;)
[21:02:26] kormoc: adante, depends on the tuner, some are entirely seperate cards just sharing one slot and they might be able to be used at the same time, others not so sure.
[21:02:43] mchou: I need a HW 1080i decode display card.
[21:02:58] xris: laga: no, it's tech-based.
[21:03:00] kazan: as much as i hate nvidia – get an xvmc supporting card
[21:03:15] armand: why would you hate nvidia?
[21:03:15] mchou: like the ones they have in HDTV sets
[21:03:21] sapbeast: xris: i honestly think you need just more cpu at least with my experience decoding hdtv
[21:03:24] armand: nvidia is so much better than ati with linux support its not even funny
[21:03:32] xris: sapbeast: can't put more into that box
[21:03:43] sapbeast: :(
[21:03:46] xris: and my pentium d is plenty fast... no idea what the other issues are.
[21:03:47] laga: xris: cool. i hoep we get to know more soon :)
[21:03:48] kazan: armand: because their die quality sucks ass, they have heat issues, their 3d rendering quality sucks the big one, they don't quite implement several openGL (or even d3d) functions correctly
[21:03:55] laga: hoep? hope!
[21:04:02] xris: laga: probably 6 months or so...
[21:04:06] ** kormoc laughs **
[21:04:10] kazan: i don't define my entire view of a company based off the linux driver support
[21:04:16] adante: thanks guys
[21:04:24] kazan: i've only seen nvidia drivers do one thing in linux that the ati drivers don't – XvMC
[21:04:31] mchou: kazan: I think nvidia gl is way better than ati gl
[21:04:33] kormoc: kazan, you might want to look at ati's track record, it's no better, it's far worse...
[21:04:34] kazan: and that would be the _ONLY_ reason why i would _EVER_ buy an nvidia board
[21:04:48] sapbeast: ati doesnt suck that bad, but thier windows drivers are getting pretty akward... i hate having to keep that ATI control center running because its over 100mb for a bloody video card driver
[21:04:48] kazan: mchou: not in my expirience, or the expirience of anyone else on the FS2SCP
[21:05:01] ** kazan doesn't have to keep it running..... **
[21:05:15] armand: but we dont run myth on windows so..
[21:05:19] mchou: kazan: lol. nvidia only hired most employees from sgi
[21:05:25] kormoc: it's still in the background even if it's not in the task bar kazan
[21:05:33] mchou: kazan: ati hired who???
[21:05:35] kazan: that explains a lot mchou
[21:05:37] sapbeast: armand: ati doesnt miss linux customers though
[21:05:39] kazan: oh.. right
[21:05:44] kazan: oh that's soo special mchou
[21:06:04] kazan: kormoc: except for not
[21:06:05] armand: ati has been terrible with releaseing drivers for linux
[21:06:06] kazan: 100mb?
[21:06:07] kazan: ha bs
[21:06:18] kazan: i just opened task manager on my laptop here, and vnced to my machine at home
[21:06:19] mchou: kazan: consider sgi was one of the founders of gl I'd say it's special
[21:06:29] sapbeast: you ahve to keep it running when you want its settings to keep hold
[21:06:30] mchou: considering*
[21:06:31] kazan: mchou: _was_ one of the founders
[21:06:42] kazan: mchou: nVidia doesn't get to write the standard all by themselves
[21:06:46] kazan: mchou: they have to follow it
[21:06:49] kazan: mchou: which they fail to do
[21:06:57] kazan: mchou: but at most that is only a minor annoyance
[21:07:19] kazan: it's die quality, sacrifice of image quality for 2 fps, etc that has set me against them
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[21:07:30] kormoc: kazan, which opengl extentions are not implimented correctly?
[21:07:32] kazan: seen a good dozen or two nvidia boards fry
[21:07:34] mchou: kazan: ati sucks ass no matter how good their silicon might be
[21:07:39] sapbeast: the latest nvidia linux drivers ditched DGA support though for an unknown reason
[21:07:50] kazan: mchou: because they're missing _one_ feature? XvMC? riiiight
[21:08:01] mchou: kazan: ati couldnt write SW if their lives depended on it
[21:08:05] ** kazan has never had problems with an ati board on linux that some simple googling couldn't produce the solution for **
[21:08:13] kormoc: kazan, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/27/ati_a . . . sed_drivers/
[21:08:18] kormoc: kazan, http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEx
[21:08:21] kazan: kormoc: so what, nvidia did the same thing
[21:08:26] mchou: kazan: bs. Their windoze drives suck shit
[21:08:29] Zider: kazan: try my radeon 7000 then ;)
[21:08:31] kormoc: kazan, both examples of ATI doing what you are bashing nvidia for
[21:08:37] armand: ever used cedega with an ati card?
[21:08:38] kazan: kormoc: oh gnoes! ATI got caught doing the tame thing nVidia did!
[21:08:40] Juski: what the heck is DGA?
[21:08:41] sapbeast: i have to disagree with that, at the time when it was the 9700 pro vs. the ti4600 the ati card was much better visual quality (nvidia aa sucked until the geforce 6 series)
[21:08:48] adante: kazan: then you've never played with the mobility 7500 :D
[21:08:48] armand: there are several notes for problems with ati
[21:08:50] kormoc: kazan, ati started it... and you said ati didn't do it, they do...
[21:09:01] kazan: kormoc: no they're not – i didn't bash nvidia for driver cheats- i hadn't brough them up
[21:09:09] ** Juski preferred last night's religion discussion.. or is VGA wars the same thing? :-/ **
[21:09:14] kazan: adante: MOBILITY
[21:09:17] kazan: adante: MOBILITY
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[21:09:28] kazan: adente: that's a very important distinction
[21:09:30] sapbeast: kormoc: actually nvidia started it with the geforce fx series, it was so underpowered they had to bypass shader quality to keep the speed up... it was like this until the geforce 6 series
[21:09:32] kazan: adente: it's not a true 7500
[21:09:39] kormoc: <kazan> it's die quality, sacrifice of image quality for 2 fps, etc that has set me against them
[21:09:58] mchou: hey anyone recommend an affordable but good lcd for computer use? >=19 in. ?
[21:10:00] kazan: kormoc: i was talking in the farking silicon, and there was no digg in there against driver cheats
[21:10:01] xris: Juski: the same thing... Mac vs Linux vs Windows, Canon vs. Nikon, Ford Vs. Chevy, etc....
[21:10:05] Juski: this is exactly the kind of thing I hate about computing these days
[21:10:17] xris: mchou: I swear by samsung
[21:10:17] Juski: my dick is bigger than your dick, etc
[21:10:25] kazan: Juski: lame
[21:10:28] mchou: xris: which model?
[21:10:33] ** kazan workso n a farking open source game **
[21:10:39] kormoc: sapbeast, ATI started with the Rage Fury MAXX back in 98 or so, I had one, sucked ass
[21:10:42] kazan: all but one of the developers is on ati hardware, for a reason
[21:10:42] xris: I think mine at home is a 940b.. hang on, let me check
[21:10:50] kazan: Rage series did suck :P
[21:10:56] Juski: kazan: I don't fucking care. just stop the playground antics please
[21:11:01] adante: kazan: sorry, when you said you've never had any problem with an ati board on linux, i took that to mean an ati board on linux, not just 'true' cards
[21:11:03] mchou: xris: frys has a samsung 17" for less than $200
[21:11:11] mchou: xris: one day sale
[21:11:23] kazan: Juski: oh gnoes! i'm engaged in "playground antics" because i am defending my low opinion of nvidia! oh gnoes!
[21:11:26] Zider: adante: no, mobile chips are fake, they don't exist. ;)
[21:11:32] mchou: xris: 8ms response time, ~600:1
[21:11:38] xris: contrast is a bit low
[21:11:41] xris: yeah, 940B...
[21:11:48] kazan: adente: i said i never had a problem that couldn't be solved by a quick googling
[21:11:52] xris: https://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail. . . . tCode=232399
[21:12:06] Juski: /ignore kazan
[21:12:08] adante: Zider: if they are fake, and i have one in my laptop, this does not make sense. Hence you must acquit!
[21:12:12] mchou: xris: is that a good price there?
[21:12:13] Juski: ?!
[21:12:14] xris: I guess mine's only 700:1... I like it.
[21:12:22] kazan: adante: what problem did you have with the mobility 7500 (older mobility series, like the 7500, are missing the HTCL from the silicon)
[21:12:22] sapbeast: i think the point being is that currently its easier to run nvidia cards on linux but it doesnt mean you cant run ati cards if need be (ive done both)
[21:12:23] xris: mchou: it's usually a tossup between them and newegg
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[21:12:35] xris: newegg has better customer service, though.. worth a few $$ more if they're close in price.
[21:12:44] Zider: adante: nono, it's not really an image on your screen, it's a photo!
[21:12:48] kazan: oh gnoes! juski ignored me in all his infinite immaturity because he cannot stand someone defending their opinion in his presence
[21:12:53] Juski: I'd love a new LCD monitor... only trouble is that in Europe we now have to pay much more if it has a DVI input
[21:12:55] kazan: he should probably /ignore the entire channel
[21:13:10] ** kazan wasn't aware this channel was the Spanish Inquisition – agree with us or STFU **
[21:13:11] Juski: damn stupid import taxes
[21:13:31] kazan: sapbeast: "easier" doesn't always make "better" is my point
[21:13:31] xris: Juski: that's lame
[21:13:38] kazan: nvidia cards suck arse in the silicon
[21:13:39] kormoc: kazan, NOONE EXPECT THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
[21:13:48] kazan: ATI has some driver deficiencies
[21:13:49] xris: remind me to buy here first before I move to europe
[21:13:56] mchou: xris: I think I'm finally gonna have to give in and buy lcds. really prefer CRTs but cant find relaible ones any more
[21:14:06] kazan: i'll accept drivers that aren't as good as they could be before i accept crap silicon
[21:14:09] kormoc: kazan, well, honestly, you're not helping by attemtping to be as abrasive as you can...
[21:14:14] Juski: all I'll say on the vga card matter is.. when is ATI going to have xvmc support for linux, hmm?
[21:14:19] mchou: CRTs have way better PQ than LCDs
[21:14:29] kormoc: Juski, never! :P
[21:14:34] Zider: it's always amusing to watch a channel or forum when it's troll feeding time :D
[21:14:34] xris: mchou: I got myself an lcd a few months ago.. much nicer. my wife still has a crt, but she also has an ibook, so I think she's still ahead.
[21:14:40] indranil: cya
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[21:14:47] kazan: kormoc: i wasn't aware that argumentum ad hominem vs the ATI devs, and fallicious argumentum ad verecundium to the nVidia devs wasn't "abrasive"
[21:14:47] sapbeast: kazan: i still dont see why you even say that... my old riva tnt pci still worked last i checked, and the 6 cards inbetween that and my 7800GT have never had one single problem. I would blame the cheap manufacturers of the cheaper cards like the fx 5200 with SDR memory that will fail in a few months
[21:14:50] ** ivor wonders if theres a tuning dial on the channel. it seems to be picking up random noise. **
[21:15:06] Juski: mchou: yes, but few people have the desk space for two 19" CRT monitors ;-)
[21:15:17] Zider: ivor: get a better tuner card ;)
[21:15:40] mchou: Juski: one of mine is about to die
[21:15:41] Juski: yeh, some tuners have better SAW filters :-P
[21:15:45] adante: kazan: well my primary problem was the lack of official driver support in linux
[21:15:47] kazan: sapbeast: there are serious design issues in the silicon itself – especially when it comes to quality vs framerate sacrificies, heat produced, etc
[21:15:52] mchou: Juski: jittery edges
[21:15:59] ivor: Zider: s/the channel/this channel/  :D
[21:16:09] Juski: mchou: PSU is prolly starting to fail
[21:16:09] kazan: sapbeast: add on top of that the fact that their own drivers are known to clock their cards up beyond the original engineering specs and you have the explaination of why i've seen so many cards burn up
[21:16:19] Zider: ivor: oooooh ;)
[21:16:21] mchou: Juski: nah, bad caps
[21:16:22] ivor: :D
[21:16:35] sapbeast: kazan: dont see why you have your panties in a bind over it though... having worked in repairs for years and years it really comes up to the quality of the card manufacturered and not the chip. the only truly terrible graphics chipset was the FX series
[21:16:38] adante: kazan: the reverse engineered ones had a couple of niggling things, mainly with dual screen support
[21:16:41] kazan: sapbeast: and all our dirty "#HACK to fix a bug with this on such-and-such video card because it doesn't follow the docs" have a 10:1 ratio in favor of nvidia needing more hacks to work right
[21:16:43] Juski: mchou: could be one in the same thing.. caps being in the PSU.. blah blah etc
[21:16:46] mchou: Juski: I'm gonna take it apart when I have the chance
[21:16:58] kazan: sapbeast: because i do game programming
[21:17:02] dougl: does mythtv get bev stations too?
[21:17:04] kormoc: kazan, so why are you using linux? it's 100% hacks.
[21:17:09] kazan: adante: use the oss driver for the 7500
[21:17:21] kazan: kormoc wow.... right
[21:17:25] mchou: kazan: kormoc has a point there :)
[21:17:29] ** kazan sighs **
[21:17:38] kazan: someone seems to misunderstand the statement i was making
[21:17:51] Juski: kazan: if your open GL programming is any good, mythtv could do with some work revamping the GUI
[21:17:59] kormoc: no, you said that you don't like software that requires hacks to run
[21:18:08] kormoc: well, linux is rather hackish by nature.
[21:18:09] kazan: we have to make more little tweaks to fix nvidia boards not following the goddamn API specifications (you know the API they claim to implement)
[21:18:17] kazan: kormoc: no i didn't say that
[21:18:20] dougl: hack is another word for patch?
[21:18:25] kazan: you really need to work on your english skills
[21:18:27] sapbeast: kazan: well i dont agree mainly on the fact that on the end user side as long as the drivers are up to date everything is transparent regardless which card you use. unless you had something like the volari XGI duo. thats a card to complain about :p
[21:18:43] kazan: sapbeast: "end user", "game developer"
[21:18:45] mchou: sapbeast: haha!!
[21:18:47] kormoc: dougl, for the most part, the Kernel mail list is full of, this patch is a hack to fix blah blah
[21:18:47] kazan: sapbeast: see the difference
[21:19:08] sapbeast: kazan: the point being? one is more elite than the other and therefore thier opinion is more important?
[21:19:14] kazan: sapbeast: no
[21:19:15] mchou: sapbeast: I was so excited when I read the market blurb b4 it came out :)
[21:19:22] Juski: you know who's really to blame in the graphics card wars? I mean apart from the children who spend hours arguing about them.... the marketing guys who make claims the design dept can't back up. its the same in every other line of business. the company I work for bought a video codec company – they did the same thing
[21:19:29] kazan: sapbeast: one of them _Encounters_ the bugs i'm bitching about, the other only benefits from the one fixing those bugs
[21:19:37] kazan: and by "fixing" i mean "writing work arounds"
[21:19:46] adante: kazan: yep thats the one i used.. but anyway, it's a moot point now as i now longer have the laptop, so i won't distract you from the main thrust of conversation anymore :]
[21:19:46] mchou: sapbeast: and then it was all vaporware
[21:20:12] ** kazan works no a game in his free time **
[21:20:31] ** kormoc laughs **
[21:20:41] mchou: kazan likes to troll in his free time
[21:20:42] kazan: typing errors suck
[21:20:50] ** kazan works on a game in his free time, an OSS game **
[21:21:00] kormoc: I love it when people bitch about other people's English skills and then does that. Sweet, sweet irony.
[21:21:02] sapbeast: kazan: Well you can stick to what you say, but for the majority under linux nvidia is a better solution at the moment. If you have a pre-programmed hatred for something you will eventually lose out in the end. Like sticking to Mac OSX for games.
[21:21:07] kazan: most of the workarounds we have to write because "this feature isn't working right on such-and-such board, even though the docs say X" are for nvidia boards misbehaving
[21:21:16] kazan: is that more comprehendable than the way i said it last time
[21:21:24] kormoc: kazan, so give the name of the game
[21:21:41] kazan: right, i'm really loosing out by using superiorly engineering boards for my gaming needs, yup
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[21:21:50] kazan: kormoc: i already said it
[21:21:58] kazan: kormoc: RTF chat log
[21:21:59] kormoc: no, you said a oss game, not the name
[21:22:07] kazan: scroll back fruther
[21:22:24] laga: 'vaporware'?
[21:22:27] Zider: :D
[21:22:35] Zider: the troll game
[21:22:44] kazan: FS2:SCP
[21:22:59] kazan: scp.indiegames.us
[21:23:24] kazan: we've copletely rewritten the entire rendering engine, moved it from windows only to cross platform, i wrote a new multiplayer tracker server for it
[21:23:43] sapbeast: kazan: But this matters how again? As far as the market is concerned they could care less about an OSS game when the market is split even nvidia/ati on the consumer end for Windows. There is simply just more money to be made there and therefore they care more about making World Of Warcraft run fast than say... Tux Racer. And as far as dominance *Intel* ships more graphics processors than both nVidia and Ati (Go check)
[21:24:17] kazan: sapbeast: yes, because a Sim of the Year is totally irrelevant :P
[21:25:20] kazan: well with it's originally rendering engine none of these bugs we encountered manifested – because it was doing all TCL in software *shudder*
[21:25:24] sapbeast: kazan: If its open source and free, there is no money to be made and to coporations its just a 3rd party project. Peopl are paying GOBS of money for say Battlefield 2 and therefore those games get more attention. Sorry its capitalism.
[21:25:33] kazan: sapbeast: it didn't start out as open source and free!
[21:25:39] Zider: kazan: so you're doing the port of freespace?
[21:25:47] kazan: Zider: Volition released the source code
[21:25:55] kazan: a while ago :P
[21:25:59] Zider: yes, so you're porting it?
[21:26:04] kazan: already have
[21:26:13] kazan: it's run under linux... for about a year now
[21:26:22] Zider: a simple "yes" would suffice..
[21:26:36] Zider: poring/ported/will port/ whatever :P
[21:26:56] Zider: I thought it was a brand new game you were coding
[21:27:31] kazan: well more or less we did
[21:27:39] kazan: we ripped out and recoded huge ammounts of the original engine
[21:28:00] kazan: pretty much every line of rendering and input code has been rewritten
[21:28:22] sapbeast: Still its not going to convince a multi-billion dollar graphics corporation to care. If you somehow managed to outsell The Sims 2 then you might get thier attention. Im not being mean but this is just how the world is right now.
[21:29:34] kazan: sapbeast: and the point of your entire discussion is?
[21:29:38] kazan: sapbeast: you're off topic
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[21:29:51] kazan: sapbeast: i said i disliked nvidia because they didn't properly implement a bunch of things
[21:30:01] kazan: sapbeast: and you're going on about convincing them of something, what exactly i'm not sure
[21:30:02] sapbeast: kazan: No, you are just complaining about graphics cards and yet you arent giving them a reason to listen to your complaints.
[21:30:19] kazan: sapbeast: i. don't. care.
[21:30:25] kazan: they want to build crap, be by guest
[21:30:28] ** kazan won't but it **
[21:30:33] sapbeast: Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
[21:30:58] kazan: because i said originally that – as much as i dislike them – i would recommend using an nvidia board in a mythbox for the xvmc support
[21:30:59] sapbeast: Obviously you must have had some care to mention it... in a channel not even related to gaming :P
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[21:31:43] Juski: maybe when the world has put aside its prejudices against race & creed, we can have full blown wars to decide which graphics cards p0wn, eh
[21:32:06] kormoc: yeah, but at least a graphic card genocide isn't as bad...
[21:32:06] ** laga sings "blame canada, blaaame canada.." **
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[21:32:21] kormoc: laga, careful! ATI is a canadian company :P
[21:32:36] laga: kormoc: i know!
[21:32:37] wega_: so the LVM logical volumes keep crashing after a power outage around me and jfs_fsck tell me both primary and seconday superblocks are corrupt, anyone know how i can overcome this for when the power goes out
[21:32:40] sapbeast: Juski: Indeed, its pointless to argue which one is engineered better because I would love someone else to even *attempt* to to better
[21:32:45] Juski: we had a little sing-song of "shut your fucking face uncle fucker" in the smerk room at work today
[21:33:07] ** sapbeast points to the XGI Volari Duo and the overhyped Matrox Parhelia **
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[21:33:52] Juski: wega_: I suggest you buy a nice UPS
[21:33:58] wega_: goo
[21:34:01] kormoc: wega_, get a ups with a serial port, so it can shutdown the computer safely?
[21:34:07] wega_: is that the only way?
[21:34:11] Juski: just about
[21:34:18] laga: umm, don't use lvm? :)
[21:34:25] wega_: man LVM has serious drawbacks
[21:34:26] xris: wega_: it's certainly the easiest
[21:34:29] kormoc: to prevent filesystem issues with power loss, yeah, there's not much else you can do...
[21:34:36] wega_: i had no idea
[21:34:39] Juski: my system has survived power-outs, but only by the grace of God (or whoever)
[21:34:48] xris: I haven't had issues with mine, either
[21:34:54] sapbeast: Juski: I wouldnt take those comments too personally either, I think you were arguing against someone with a really big chip on thier shoulder.
[21:35:02] wega_: well my system's core is good but all recordings are lost
[21:35:04] kormoc: jfs is rather unhappy with powerouts
[21:35:09] wega_: indeed
[21:35:19] Juski: xfs can be nasty in some cases too, apparently
[21:35:25] J-e-f-f-A: me either... I use LVM with JFS and so far no issues... But only two power failures in 6 months...
[21:35:27] wega_: is there a better LVM'able fs that i can use?
[21:35:31] kormoc: ext3 is much happier to handle power outages
[21:35:38] kormoc: any filesystem is lvmable
[21:35:45] wega_: oh my bad
[21:35:45] sapbeast: ext3 is slow but is almost totally failsafe
[21:35:53] Juski: isn't LVM just like JBOD in software?
[21:35:56] kormoc: yeah
[21:35:57] wega_: ok so go with that if i wan't lvm?
[21:35:59] sapbeast: you could use squashfs on LVM if you wanted to :p
[21:36:00] Juski: ext3 isn't _that_ slow
[21:36:20] wega_: juski use ext3 then?
[21:36:26] Juski: yep
[21:36:32] kormoc: wega_, it's what I use, but the upses are not that costly, might want to think about getting one in the future
[21:36:33] sapbeast: ext3 is definitely not slow for myth purposes
[21:36:47] Juski: so it takes a couple of secs to delete a huge file, but so?
[21:36:49] xris: sapbeast: it is for deleting recordings
[21:36:49] ** kazan uses LVM w/ ext3 **
[21:36:51] sapbeast: the only time you will see a big reason to not use ext3 is if you have tons of small files, then it gets noticeably bogged down
[21:36:58] xris: though the async delete in .19 fixes most of those concerns
[21:37:04] malcolmr: Anyone able to help me get sound out of MythTV?
[21:37:23] kormoc: sapbeast, with the -O dir_index option, smaller files are much faster with ext3
[21:37:24] malcolmr: Specifically I'd like some way of testing whether my /dev/adsp device works
[21:37:27] sapbeast: xris: im not arguing that, but its still a hell of alot more reliable in terms of what kind of abuse it can take
[21:37:29] wega_: thanks guys, going to go through all the hassle again for hopefully the last time!
[21:37:51] sapbeast: kormoc: oh yeah i forgot about that :(
[21:37:52] kormoc: malcolmr, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/adsp
[21:37:57] wega_: (yeah right... lol last time)
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[21:38:03] kazan: haha kormoc that's not nice
[21:38:13] malcolmr: I'm not _completely_ stupid.
[21:38:16] kormoc: malcolmr, :P
[21:38:20] malcolmr: :-)
[21:38:22] Zider: well, it works
[21:38:27] laga: what's wrong with that? it's fun ;)
[21:38:27] xris: sapbeast: true. I haven't had any issues with xfs, though. I'll probably be dropping it for ext3 on my next rebuild, though
[21:38:27] Zider: I use that technique
[21:38:48] sapbeast: I once lost data to reiserfs because it only has one superblock
[21:39:14] sapbeast: unfortunately that ruined my taste over it, dont really plan on using it again till reiser4 is marked stable
[21:39:19] Zider: I lost a reiserfs partition today for the very first time
[21:39:26] Juski: apparently in some extreme cases xfs can break if the fs is almost full.. I'd guess that'd be because it doesn't have enough free space to repair damaged blocks
[21:39:39] Zider: it was an old 10GB disk tho, and I had it backed up..
[21:39:57] sapbeast: XFS/JFS are not bad to use as long as you make damn well sure the computer never loses power or hard resets for whatever reason.
[21:40:05] sapbeast: its primarly used on five nine's servers
[21:40:23] Zider: five nine?
[21:40:32] sapbeast: 99.999% uptime servers
[21:40:38] Zider: ah
[21:40:43] Juski: ok – I've been googling for a while in curious mode... what the hell is DGA anyway?
[21:40:44] sapbeast: as in, if it goes down for more than 15 minutes in a year... you are prparing your CV
[21:40:48] sapbeast: and looking for another job
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[21:41:22] kazan: Juski: a pain in the ass
[21:41:29] Zider: Juski: direct graphics architecture (or something)
[21:41:29] sapbeast: Juski: sorry i didnt explain earlier... some programs need it for direct screen access (like xawtv)... nvidia dropped support in its newest drivers to my dismay.
[21:41:34] kormoc: Juski, there's a x extention for DGA
[21:41:37] kazan: Juski: it's a way of directly writing to a framebuffer on the card IIRC
[21:41:40] Juski: ahhhh
[21:41:50] Juski: like overlay?
[21:41:51] laga: ok, night guys
[21:41:55] Juski: night laga
[21:42:00] sapbeast: no, not overlay
[21:42:20] Juski: anyway... to write stuff directly to the fb... got it
[21:42:21] kazan: http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/DESIGN15.html
[21:42:36] malcolmr: Ah, I don't have an ALSA capture device, so /dev/adsp is write-only.
[21:42:38] malcolmr: I think that's it.
[21:42:43] sapbeast: well not much stuff uses it anymore thats important, hence why it was probably dropped
[21:42:44] kazan: SDL also needs DGA to initialize accelerated openGL interfaces....
[21:42:47] kazan: dunno WHY but it does
[21:42:57] sapbeast: at least recent stuff?
[21:43:07] kazan: maybe the fixed it
[21:43:33] kormoc: sapbeast, didn't they just switch to xv entirely?
[21:43:41] sapbeast: the only thing that ive run into a roadblock over is xawtv over it...
[21:43:48] Zider: heh, dga isn't listed on wikipedia
[21:44:04] sapbeast: kormoc: if they did that version isnt in portage
[21:44:39] kormoc: sapbeast, I mean nvidia switched to xv entirely rather then support dga/mga/xmga?
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[21:45:05] kormoc: Juski, http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs . . . deo.html#dga
[21:45:08] sapbeast: oh that? probably yes
[21:45:14] sapbeast: it makes more sense anyways
[21:45:26] sapbeast: maybe i need to use the unstable xawtv for XV support
[21:45:28] kormoc: sapbeast, dga2 is used by XV
[21:45:48] kormoc: they just dropped support for DGA1 evendently
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[21:46:26] sapbeast: well like i stated above, companies wont support officially support something thats rarely used and will only piss off maybe 0.0001% of thier user base
[21:46:45] kormoc: yeah, esp if there's a good reason to drop it
[21:46:48] Zider: like my tnt1 :P
[21:47:16] sapbeast: $500 in lost sales in linux users to DGA, or multi millions to windows users over a popular game... which one will they choose :p
[21:47:50] kormoc: well, even then, just install the old driver, done, you have DGA support agai
[21:47:52] kormoc: n
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[21:48:08] Zider: I don't see what they would gain by NOT supporting something..
[21:48:24] LLLyric: Not worth the development efford?
[21:48:29] LLLyric: effort
[21:48:37] kormoc: Zider, faster speed for say, XvMC if they didn't need to keep the older code path around?
[21:48:42] LLLyric: Everyone knows linux users don't have any money anyway :)
[21:48:50] Zider: LLLyric: :P
[21:49:42] sapbeast: Zider: Its basic economics and capitalism... which is why linux is usually 2nd tier for official driver support on *certain* things. If nVidia dropped official driver support tomorrow they might need to call the Whaaaaambulance for not too many people. However if they stopped supporting Windows they would lose *billions*
[21:50:32] LLLyric: the would rather loose 100% of linux than 1% of windows (users)
[21:50:36] LLLyric: It's just economics
[21:50:41] Zider: sapbeast: but this is not something that's linux specific, is it?
[21:50:42] sapbeast: I just stated that ~_~
[21:50:45] LLLyric: there's just not that many linux people
[21:50:53] Juski: kormoc: cheers for that linky, man :-)
[21:51:06] kormoc: Juski, no problems, I had it bookmarked :)
[21:51:18] sapbeast: Zider: Well if were still talking about DGA it would be. As far as OpenGL support though its not that much of a translation hassle for a corporation thier size.
[21:51:39] Zider: sapbeast: I was thinking more about the TNT..
[21:51:57] sapbeast: Oh! Well indeed yes the TNT was dropped years ago, its not even in the modern drivers.
[21:52:42] sapbeast: You try to load the 81.xx drivers with a TNT and nothing will happen.
[21:52:56] Zider: it says it can't find any gfx card
[21:53:36] sapbeast: Im not sure the reasoning behind it though, the TNT2 *is* still supported and is the oldest card supported by nVidia currently. However it was just an uplocked TNT.
[21:53:40] sapbeast: Go figure.
[21:53:41] Juski: about the whole windows numbers stuff.. out of everyone I know, 2 people actually own legit copies of XP.. I wonder just how much pc business is based on corporate sales as opposed to domestic...
[21:53:53] Zider: sapbeast: some geforce cards aren't supported either
[21:53:58] gardengnome: Juski: make that three. i won one, too
[21:54:01] kormoc: sapbeast, it's no longer supported, they dropped support for geforce 3 and under iirc
[21:54:01] sapbeast: Juski: Trust me when I say *alot*
[21:54:10] kazan: idiot: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=184648&cid=15248123
[21:54:12] Zider: kormoc: my gf2 is supported
[21:54:16] kazan: (read the entire flamewar in progress)
[21:54:23] sapbeast: If I were to count the number of hologram stickers in my drawer I would need about 500 hands.
[21:54:32] Juski: flamewars.. pfft ;-)
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[21:54:38] frederikfdvp: hi
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[21:54:52] frederikfdvp: i just wanted to transcode a ep , and i get this error
[21:54:53] frederikfdvp: Transcoding /mnt/store//1026_20060429192900.mpg failed
[21:54:53] frederikfdvp: 2006-05–02 23:54:56.911 Unknown socket closing
[21:55:01] kormoc: Zider, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-a.html
[21:55:25] Juski: gardengnome: sure. like you'd admit to buying it :-P
[21:55:32] Zider: kormoc: believe me, it's supported *looks at the gf2 picture on the tv*
[21:55:37] kormoc: Zider, I could have sworn that they dropped more geforce cards then that...
[21:55:56] gardengnome: Juski: no, honestly. i bought windows xp professional. an update version, student licence
[21:55:56] sapbeast: Juski: At least I could say I have buying power for hundereds of systems... when you do that much volume then companies start listening to some things.
[21:56:11] kazan: what an asshat – cannot read the user docs to see that he needs to make sure he's got a supported version and so says they lied to him because he has the unsupported version of the PVR250
[21:56:12] Zider: kormoc: it's weird that gf2 ultra isn't supported while gf2mx is..
[21:56:24] frederikfdvp: anyone know my error ?
[21:56:30] kormoc: Zider, yeah, the cards they dropped are rather... random
[21:56:40] kazan: "but they said it's supported! they lied to me" – "read the documentation!" – "it doesn't say there is an unsupported version under unknown cards" – "WTF? yes it does you fucking moron!"
[21:56:52] kazan: time for me to head home for the day
[21:56:53] kazan: later
[21:56:56] sapbeast: kazan: Do not feed the troll. By pointing it out to us you are giving him attention. If you had not said anything we would have not even noticed.
[21:56:56] mchou: I know this sounds stupid, but are there kvm switches with DVI?
[21:57:12] kazan: use synergy?
[21:57:21] kazan: save $50
[21:57:27] sapbeast: IOGear makes DVI ones
[21:57:31] Zider: kormoc: and no explanation for it either,.
[21:57:33] scopeuk: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=184697&cid=15249113
[21:57:37] ** Juski ignores users who don't read the docs then whine about their mistakes **
[21:57:59] kazan: ha is that you scope?
[21:58:08] scopeuk: no
[21:58:17] scopeuk: unfurtuantely if i had a fire arm it whould be illegal
[21:58:33] scopeuk: (uk) no need therfore no license therofrer shot on site
[21:58:36] kazan: ah
[21:58:41] kazan: i have that person on my foes lsit for some reason
[21:58:56] kazan: anyway
[21:58:57] kazan: i'm out
[21:59:06] scopeuk: l8rs
[21:59:15] Juski: foes list? wth?
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[21:59:38] scopeuk: its on /. juski the guy in the link i posted
[21:59:48] sapbeast: Juski: I dont even want to know, its probably 50 pages long on his
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[22:00:15] Juski: flashbot has stuff like lists of 'people I don't like'? ROTFL
[22:00:26] scopeuk: lol
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[22:00:42] Juski: get some perspective. fucking hell
[22:01:00] IamEthos: hello
[22:01:01] sapbeast: I dont even know what his problem is either... "nVidia is against me! Please pay attention to what I have to say! Agree with me or be ignored!" ... whatever
[22:01:03] IamEthos: I was wondering
[22:01:16] IamEthos: what sort of specs would a system need to be converted into a reasonable box for running myth?
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[22:01:57] Zider: IamEthos: depends if you have HDTV or normal TV, if you wanna use it as more than a recorder and so on..
[22:02:29] Juski: IamEthos: hiya. as Zider said it depends what you wanna use it for, how noisy you want it to be... how nice... etc
[22:02:33] sapbeast: HDTV = needs computer equivalent of a Mercedes SLK
[22:02:48] IamEthos: don't really care too much about noise
[22:02:56] IamEthos: not HDTV
[22:03:04] ** Juski didn't used to care about noise til he got an xbox **
[22:03:14] IamEthos: I basically just want it for recoding, essentially
[22:03:18] IamEthos: *recording
[22:03:44] Juski: well, people have 500mhz boxen recording with PVR cards & DVB cards
[22:04:23] frederikfdvp: got another question , does someone have a lircrc file for the media center 2005 remote ?
[22:04:51] Juski: hauppauge pvr150 + slowish CPU (<1Ghz) + nvidia fx5200 or similar = watchable mythtv system ;-)
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[22:05:38] Zider: I'm getting a pvr150 as soon as I get my old tv sold..
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[22:06:03] Juski: frederikfdvp: have you tried lirc.org?
[22:06:12] frederikfdvp: yes
[22:07:00] sapbeast: i think the offical page states that with a hardware card even a 333mhz celeron is usable
[22:07:18] sapbeast: of course if you still have one of these, please consider putting it in a fire soon
[22:07:30] Juski: you know, it'd be quite simple to make your own lircrc file, using irw & press all the buttons in turn.. then look into someone elses lircrc file & figure it out
[22:07:54] Juski: s/using/use
[22:08:20] frederikfdvp: i could use a lircr sample with all mythtv functions in it :)
[22:08:31] Juski: it ain't rocket science
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[22:08:45] Juski: not that rocket science is all that hard
[22:09:43] susfour: does myth leave the format alone with hardware encoders like pvr-x50 cards?
[22:09:47] Juski: frederikfdvp: the lircrc file is basically a list of mythtv (etc) functions, with the button names written in
[22:09:48] IamEthos: what sort of capture card should I go with?
[22:09:56] IamEthos: I think I have 1 open PCI slot
[22:09:58] Juski: susfour: unless you transcode recordings, yes
[22:09:59] IamEthos: so I know it's not ideal
[22:10:00] susfour: iow, can I end up mpeg2/4?
[22:10:05] sapbeast: susfour: the card literally outputs mpeg2 program stream
[22:10:06] susfour: Juski: thx
[22:10:29] sapbeast: pvr-150 you will get mpeg-2 at whatever bitrate you set it to
[22:10:30] Juski: IamEthos: do you want to be able to record more than one thing at the same time?
[22:10:33] susfour: anyone used those files to xfer onto a mac for editing in imovie?
[22:10:41] IamEthos: Juski: that would be nice
[22:10:50] sapbeast: if you want hardware mpeg-4, i think the plextor usb device (name?) will do it
[22:10:51] IamEthos: but if that will get super costly, maybe not
[22:10:53] Juski: susfour: if imovie supports mpeg2 files it'll work
[22:11:00] IamEthos: this is for a dorm room
[22:11:02] susfour: i've only seen people fighting conversion back to the mac.
[22:11:07] IamEthos: and I'm a poor college kid
[22:11:17] Juski: IamEthos: hauppauge pvr500 – about £110
[22:11:25] Juski: or $110 (USA)
[22:11:26] susfour: Juski: imovie 5/6 supports importing mpeg2 and mpeg4 so seems like it will work great
[22:11:36] sapbeast: i think the pvr-150 with the integrate ir port is $68 on newegg
[22:11:55] Juski: susfour: bear in mind that re-coding mpeg2 isn't lossless
[22:12:13] sapbeast: the one program i know of that can edit mpeg-2 with no recode is Womble MPEG VCR
[22:12:15] Juski: more than 3 generations and ugh! blockiness
[22:12:26] sapbeast: literally, remove commercials in mpeg-2 with no loss whatsoever
[22:12:34] susfour: sapbeast: platform?
[22:12:35] Juski: but without recording you don't get frame-accurate edits
[22:12:41] sapbeast: susfour: unfortunately windows
[22:12:46] susfour: drat
[22:12:54] Juski: *recoding
[22:13:04] sapbeast: Juski: Its not usually an issue, there are 2 I frames per second in most mpeg-2
[22:13:11] sapbeast: or 1/2 second
[22:13:12] susfour: does myth have a simple editor other than commercial cuts?
[22:13:21] Juski: one generational recode isn't too bad though
[22:13:25] Juski: susfour: yup
[22:13:39] Juski: and it all works from your armchair!
[22:13:43] susfour: Juski: link to more details?
[22:13:49] sapbeast: I dont know if myth will do a stream copy edit for mpeg-2 ...
[22:13:50] Juski: wiki wiki wiki wah
[22:14:04] susfour: Juski: yeah, been there all last night. sorry didn't find it
[22:14:05] IamEthos: Juski, how about one channel, with video out too?
[22:14:09] Juski: sapbeast: yup – and it only recodes bits near the edits
[22:14:12] IamEthos: can that make things any cheaper?
[22:14:13] IamEthos: :-)
[22:14:40] Juski: IamEthos: you get the video out from your graphics card – unless you want to spend the same money as a pvr500 costs, on a pvr350 card
[22:14:58] Juski: graphics card _must_ have TV out btw, for that to work
[22:14:59] sapbeast: Well ideally you should edit with no recoding whatsoever... then recode if you want to say put the video on your ipod
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[22:15:23] Juski: sapbeast: myth will do mpeg2 lossless cutting in 0.19
[22:16:00] sapbeast: ill have to try that sometime... but since i have the above mentioned program for windows i dont have much incentive to check :)
[22:16:01] Juski: but it does do _some_ recoding to get the gops & stuff to work properly – but only around the edits
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[22:16:23] Juski: it's very clever & works brilliantly
[22:17:03] Juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . g_Recordings
[22:17:04] sapbeast: I know someone might want to stab me in the face over using windows but I prefer to keep using it for ease of use for the time being :/
[22:17:30] susfour: Juski: thx
[22:17:48] Juski: I like to xfade rather than jumpcut anyway, if it's something I'm gonna keep
[22:17:56] IamEthos: Hauppage is the company to look for cards with though, I'm guessing...?
[22:18:06] Juski: IamEthos: for analogue cards, yes
[22:18:16] sapbeast: they have been *the* tv card company for nearly a decade now
[22:19:09] sapbeast: I still have my original WinTV pci (I think I bought it in 98)
[22:19:10] Juski: don't buy anything that doesn't have an mpeg2/4 encoder onboard, that'd be my advice. I tried software encoding once & it sucked
[22:19:33] Juski: if you have DVB where you are, that's a better option still
[22:19:44] IamEthos: Juski: do they make analog/digital cards?
[22:19:54] sapbeast: Yeah software can be avoided because the price on the pvr-150 online isnt much more than a standard analogue one
[22:19:59] IamEthos: cards that do both?
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[22:20:04] Juski: DVB tuner cards pluck digital signals out of the air & you get mpeg2 right into the PCI bus without any encoding
[22:20:23] Juski: IamEthos: yes but driver support doesnt exist in linux for those cards yet
[22:20:30] IamEthos: oh :-/
[22:20:44] Juski: hey none of this stuff had drivers once upon a time
[22:20:45] Juski: ;-)
[22:20:48] IamEthos: don't people get it: linux is FREE
[22:20:54] sapbeast: IamEthos: If you see anything about CableCard devices... you might want to avoid it for the moment
[22:21:18] Juski: and even hauppauge themselves are helping with the linux drivers for their HVR *analog&digital* cards
[22:21:25] sapbeast: yeah but I really wont hold my breath on CableCard, seeing how it will be illegal to make drivers for them
[22:21:32] IamEthos: and with distros like Ubuntu, it's not even hard to get started
[22:21:50] sapbeast: correction: illegal in this country (US)
[22:22:19] IamEthos: is there any way to decode scrambled video signals via software?
[22:22:27] IamEthos: I've heard of this done with hardware
[22:22:28] susfour: thanks for the info guys. off to order some stuff
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[22:22:35] IamEthos: but never software
[22:22:39] Juski: yes but 1. they're illegal. 2. it won't be supported by mythtv
[22:22:53] sapbeast: IamEthos: Certainly not anymore at least, most companies use digital scrambling
[22:23:00] sapbeast: and yeah its definitely NOT legal
[22:23:08] IamEthos: Juski: well, I was thinking of the most legalish use of such a thing
[22:23:18] Juski: legal-ish is no defence
[22:23:21] sapbeast: There is no legalish use
[22:23:36] Tall-guy: what if its for medicinal purposes?
[22:23:38] Tall-guy: :)
[22:23:45] IamEthos: my friend pays for digital cable, has one box, but doesn't get digital cable in the rest of his apartment
[22:23:47] sapbeast: There is a difference between ripping a DVD you bought and trying to get free cable :p
[22:23:49] Juski: there's card sharing, but the cable companies don't allow that – it's not against the law, but the cablecos can cut you off
[22:24:26] Juski: well – specifically it IS against the law, since technically it's called _theft_
[22:24:43] sapbeast: Its against the DMCA actually, but its not theft (you own it already)
[22:25:02] Juski: sapbeast: I was still talking about sharing of cards
[22:25:10] sapbeast: Juski: Oh that then yes
[22:25:11] IamEthos: I think there should some legislation that says that cable companies CAN'T force users to use their hardware
[22:25:34] Juski: what? and have everyone get free TV? come on!
[22:25:36] sapbeast: IamEthos: Unfortunately will never happen in this country... and actually thats an absurd statement in itself
[22:25:53] mchou: IamEthos: there is. That's what cablecard was for
[22:26:02] Juski: get with the 21st century – it's all about the protectionism :-)
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[22:26:20] sapbeast: cablecard wont be a supported thing until some laws change though
[22:26:30] sapbeast: until then we will have to use analogue out on our cable boxes
[22:26:31] Juski: technically, by UK laws, every Ipod owner is breaking the law when they rip CDs
[22:26:43] Juski: (!)
[22:26:59] Juski: no such thing as 'fair use' inthe UK
[22:27:50] Juski: anyway – mythtv is never ever going to support anything in the grey legal area
[22:27:52] sapbeast: Really they worry about you copying bits with no generation loss... when you record analogue its "imperfect" and they have not complained about it. Yet.
[22:27:53] IamEthos: but imagine this: a standard interface for validating the location of a third party cable box over the internet
[22:28:01] IamEthos: that wasy customers benefit from competition
[22:28:21] sapbeast: IamEthos: I am Jack's class action lawsuit.
[22:28:35] IamEthos: and cable companies have a secure way to determine that their cable isn't being used illegally
[22:28:47] Juski: IamEthos: yes, but put yourself in the shoes of the big media companies. would you want people to spend less money buying stuff from _you_ ?
[22:28:49] sapbeast: They have this already, its called using thier cable box.
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[22:29:15] Juski: you might want to unplug the fair, rational part of your brain to relate to that one though
[22:29:22] sapbeast: I'm not trying to be obtuse on purpose but it screws with thier business model and isnt exactly something that will ever happen in the US
[22:29:39] Juski: == it screws with them screwing our wallets
[22:29:39] mirak: hi
[22:29:47] mirak: I hace crackling noise with mythtv
[22:29:59] mirak: where does that come from ?
[22:30:08] IamEthos: but WE'RE the PEOPLE. We're supposed to win.... right?
[22:30:11] IamEthos: lol
[22:30:17] Juski: PCI bus maxxed out doing software encoding, maybe, mirak?
[22:30:32] mirak: hem
[22:30:36] Juski: IamEthos: gotta love the naivety there
[22:30:40] sapbeast: IamEthos: In order to avoid a long drawn out discussion here about politics and whats legal or not... One word: Capitalism.
[22:30:41] Juski: ;-)
[22:31:04] mirak: Juski: why not, my audio card and tv card are on PCI
[22:31:09] Juski: mirak – what tuner card(s) do you have?
[22:31:29] mirak: non mpeg2
[22:31:35] sapbeast: IamEthos: Or in a few words... 99% of the people will buy what the cable companies give them. The remaining 1% are the most vocal complainers because the other 99% is happy with what they have.
[22:31:35] mirak: that's just a pctv rave
[22:31:43] Juski: right... have you always had the crackling sound?
[22:31:44] mirak: 6 years old card
[22:31:49] mirak: Juski: nope
[22:31:58] Juski: just started recently?
[22:32:00] IamEthos: rrrgh
[22:32:05] IamEthos: I'm going to have to run for president
[22:32:11] mirak: but I upgraded and increased the capture resolution
[22:32:16] ** drdaz farts vigorously **
[22:32:18] Juski: IamEthos: good luck!
[22:32:19] mirak: so that's a way to explore
[22:32:27] sapbeast: IamEthos: Unfortuantely the president does not make laws... you would have to run for 2/3rd majority of congress.
[22:32:40] Juski: mirak: you'll have run out of PCI bus speed I expect. turn down the capture resolution
[22:32:40] sapbeast: So good luck :/
[22:33:02] IamEthos: sapbeast: yeah, but the president has a greater power of influence
[22:33:05] IamEthos: over the people
[22:33:10] IamEthos: who have power over congress
[22:33:15] ** Juski hears the sound of a penny dropping, and the hopes & dreams of a young man vaporising into thin air... **
[22:33:37] mirak: Juski: that's odd
[22:33:39] Juski: vote for dollar
[22:33:46] mirak: Juski: no, vote euro
[22:33:53] sapbeast: IamEthos: I dont want to get involved in an argument since I need to get home... but please observe the past 6 years of this country whats been going on just a little more closely.
[22:33:54] Zider: ewww-ro
[22:33:58] Juski: works the other way too... dollars for votes..
[22:34:07] mirak: Juski: the resolution can only be changed from myth-setup ?
[22:34:26] IamEthos: sapbeast: I'm not trying to argue, just pining for the way things SHOULD be
[22:34:29] sapbeast: you change resolution in your recording profile
[22:34:35] mirak: ok
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[22:34:42] Juski: mirak: no – you can change it in mythfrontend – utils / setup > settings > TV > recording
[22:34:53] IamEthos: anyway, thanks for the capture card insight, juski
[22:34:56] Juski: np
[22:35:08] Juski: definitely time for bed now. bastard of a day
[22:35:21] Juski: night all
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[22:35:39] hd420: sap: this president can effectively dictate to congress what laws need passing and get his agenda through
[22:36:23] ** sapbeast doesnt even want to go there because of his no-politics rule :( **
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[22:36:47] hd420: sapbeast: good, cause you'll lose the argument, at least with me
[22:36:57] ** hd420 laughs **
[22:37:14] sapbeast: Arguing over the internet is like the special olympics... and do i even need to finish that one :p
[22:37:26] sapbeast: Thats what im referring to
[22:37:51] hd420: sap: it's the same as any other medium for debate, except the sample pool of people is MUCH larger than your average pub
[22:38:13] sapbeast: yeah but the signal to noise ratio is always worse... id rather just let someone else deal with it
[22:38:42] sapbeast: im almost 30 now... its not in my best interest to raise my stress level over something like that
[22:38:48] mirak: well lowering resolution remove cracklings :D
[22:38:55] hd420: sapbeast: uhh.. i'm 29
[22:38:58] hd420: your point?
[22:39:25] hd420: age is no indication of thoughtfulness (see, eg, the current leaders in Iran and the US)
[22:39:27] kormoc: hd420, not fair to compair you two. you have weed to chill down, he has a beast inside...
[22:39:48] sapbeast: hd420: My point is i value peace of mind over politics... I would elaborate more but its not for this channel
[22:39:48] hd420: kormoc: I don't do weed, mate
[22:39:56] kormoc: hd420, 420 is slang for weed :P
[22:40:19] sapbeast: hd420: And no, im not liberal before you label me incorrectly.
[22:40:37] hd420: kormoc: I've been made aware of that many times, but those who've spoken to me at length realise this very quickly
[22:40:59] Servo888: well shit... now ivtv broke in ubuntu dapper
[22:41:14] hd420: sapbeast: mate, I'm not going to label you as anything, but I have a feeling you're scared shitless to argue with someone with a brain
[22:41:23] sapbeast: hd420: Im not trying to give the impression im better than you
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[22:41:36] sapbeast: hd420: No, its I get enough of it in real life
[22:41:38] kormoc: hd420, well, it's just amusing when a gentleman with beast in his name says that he shouldn't argue cause the stress isn't worth it, and a gentleman with 420, slag for weed in his name doesn't understand why the first gentleman might get stressed.
[22:42:17] sapbeast: The people I work with cant argue enough as it is about the state of the country, when I would rather just do my job
[22:42:22] hd420: kormoc: I'm fully aware of your predicament, but kindly look at the content of my sends, rather than my nick
[22:42:42] ** kormoc shrugs. **
[22:42:57] sapbeast: And to make things worse im already widowed at my age... if that tells you anything
[22:43:08] kormoc: I don't really care about your political leanings, nor about anyone elses, just expressing my amusement.
[22:43:20] hd420: sapbeast: I'm sorry to hear that
[22:44:14] sapbeast: Dont be sorry its just my situation. I do my best to make lemonade out of lemons
[22:44:30] hd420: indeed
[22:44:59] hd420: sapbeat: it's the standard response to such news where I was raised
[22:45:42] sapbeast: One of the reasons im here is because for one thing, im tired of other channels ive been in for nearly a decade... Two in the past week I've bought a decent amount of hardware to get mythtv working reliably so I can watch tv again at my leisure
[22:45:56] sapbeast: before a week ago I literally did not watch one hour of tv for 2 years, or owned a TV
[22:46:10] Servo888: http://pastebin.com/695209 | is there anthing wrong with the way it's loading the ivtv module? I don't get any video / audio. Seems just to be dead
[22:46:42] kormoc: sapbeast, least you don't have to deal with reruns for awhile :)
[22:47:09] hd420: I watch 0–5 hours of tele/week, all timeshifted, and at some point, I will replace my DirectTV PVR with myth, because of several things I despise about the r15
[22:47:59] sapbeast: Servo888: Problems with i2c apparently, as in you are lacking support modules in the kernel and/or mismatched to the kernel you are running
[22:48:59] sapbeast: I just have standard analogue channels and thats enough for me... in fact most of what I watch is what I watched to begin with... a handful of decent channels
[22:49:11] sapbeast: And none of them contain the letters ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN ... blah blah blah
[22:49:27] kormoc: Fox has the simpsons and family guy :)
[22:49:47] sapbeast: I have family guy on dvd
[22:49:57] kormoc: the new ones too?
[22:50:13] sapbeast: No... but im not exactly salivating over the new ones either
[22:50:19] kormoc: heh, fair nuff
[22:50:36] kormoc: my top channel is cartoon network, by a metric ton
[22:51:08] sapbeast: My most recorded channels are oddly enough all right next to each other (literally), Discovery, History, TLC
[22:51:10] lwizardl: kormoc: i agree but boomerang i tend to like more than just cn
[22:51:38] sapbeast: Also put TCM into that slot (good uncensored movies)
[22:52:40] Servo888: sapbeast, should I be worried about "ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840" or is that because that's compiled into the kernel?
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[22:53:06] sapbeast: sapbeast: If its compiled monolithic it would have a problem yes!
[22:53:14] sapbeast: oops I mean Servo888
[22:53:40] sapbeast: should be compiled as a module, AFAIK that particular one is only in 2.6.16
[22:53:59] sapbeast: under the v4l drivers
[22:54:11] Servo888: I'm running 2.6.15-21–686
[22:54:23] sapbeast: thats a problem then, what version ivtv are you attempting to run
[22:54:30] Servo888: 0.4.4
[22:54:50] sapbeast: Thats odd then...
[22:55:10] sapbeast: It might be a module provided by ivtv 0.4.4 (someone want to correct me on this?)
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[22:55:23] sapbeast: I see it loaded on my system and im running 2.6.15 and 0.4.4
[22:55:33] Servo888: hmm
[22:55:34] sapbeast: But its *not* part of the kernel I believe for 2.6.15
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[22:56:38] sapbeast: (psst... did ivtv complain about not being able to install drivers to /lib/modules/whatever during install?)
[22:56:50] Servo888: During install? you mean make install?
[22:57:07] sapbeast: I think so... (drat I dont have the log for my install)
[22:57:16] Servo888: Let me get you the full install log
[22:57:26] sapbeast: I wish I could elaborate but i have to get home from work
[22:57:31] sapbeast: so I have to leave you hanging :(
[22:57:40] Servo888: ah ok
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[23:24:37] Servo888: well shit... what kind of crap is ubuntu... I don't see it as easy to use – just a pain... I never had issues in gentoo – just took a crap load of time to build on 800mhz of amd power.
[23:25:15] jchillerup: distcc :)
[23:26:05] Servo888: jchillerup, what if one of your systems runs x86_64 (amd64), can you still use distcc
[23:26:27] jchillerup: Yes.
[23:26:37] jchillerup: I don't know how to set it up, though
[23:26:57] Servo888: And by chance is there some sort of live cd available just to plug into none gentoo machines?
[23:27:19] jchillerup: No idea
[23:27:28] jchillerup: Google it
[23:27:35] Servo888: I guess I better ask in #gentoo
[23:27:44] jchillerup: Yeah.. You might get a better reply there
[23:27:58] kormoc: Servo888, there is the gentoo live cd
[23:28:30] Servo888: Because right about now – I'm thinking about just ditching ubuntu and go with something I like.
[23:33:30] jchillerup: I got very, very tired of ubuntu, too
[23:33:43] jchillerup: It's like it clutters the system resources, just like WinXP
[23:33:51] jchillerup: Although not as bad as WinXP does
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[23:41:35] Hotwheelz: Can anyone tell me if the he Hauppauge Nova-T 500 MCE Dual Digital PCI currently works with myth?
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[23:50:55] diamon: Ok, I still can't figure out why my Myth install is not recording anything (though it shows the 'recording' in the interface!), but I'm about to try again to watch the log (-v all) from mythbackend to see what I can find. The recording will start shortly, anyone have a last-minute suggestion of what else to watch or do?
[23:53:27] JloR: I must be stupid, I'm trying to follow the guide for installing mythTV from Gentoo Wiki (running gentoo here), but I simply can't make it save anything to the MySQL db.. Simple reason: the tables doesn't exist. And the mc.sql file they want me to import into the mysql db doesn't add the tables..
[23:53:32] JloR: anyone have an idea?
[23:54:17] diamon: Bad password? No authority to the db? Maybe delete the myth database entirely and try it again.
[23:54:37] JloR: the myth db is there, the tables isn't
[23:54:49] JloR: the authority is no problem.. I'm using the standard user the mc.sql file creates for me
[23:54:58] diamon: Right. Geek the database, and re-do it entirely.
[23:55:07] JloR: I've done that three-four times by now.. but sure
[23:55:30] diamon: Haven't done anything odd to the mysql privs, right?
[23:56:16] diamon: jlor: I mean, like do a 'mysqladmin drop mythdatabasename' to drop everything in its entirety.
[23:56:21] JloR: not that I know of – I followed the mysql guide on the gentoo wiki as well.. Never seen those setup script though.
[23:57:01] diamon: If it's part of a standard setup method, we'll assume it works or others would have complained.
[23:57:08] JloR: hmm..
[23:57:26] JloR: for whatever reason I can't seem to drop the mythconverg db now – even though I'm root.
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[23:57:29] JloR: hang on a sec
[23:57:50] diamon: Ah, we might have something there.
[23:58:39] JloR: hmm 'drop mythconverg;' should do it – it has four times earlier tonight – but now it complains about a syntax problem near "mythconverg" at line 1.
[23:58:52] diamon: Huh.
[23:58:53] JloR: both as the mythtv user and as root.
[23:59:00] xris: JloR: you're missing the word "table"
[23:59:04] xris: er, "database"
[23:59:09] JloR: righto :) I am
[23:59:34] JloR: query OK, 17 rows affected (0.01 sec)
[23:59:41] JloR: aaand, starting from scratch
[23:59:53] diamon: And now to see what my poor Myth system is having problems with...

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