Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 1st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Anduin:

xris: if you have tv_grab_dd_na (or whatever it is called) that would be almost as good, the log would be only part (I could also dig up the wget line). You aren't the first I've seen hit it, might be nice to see if it is bad data from dd or a bug.

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phiw:

hey all

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phiw:

anybody here use an x10 (or any) universal remote with the hauppauge receiver?

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phiw:

i'm inclined to think there's just something jacked up with my ancient x10 remotes keeping irrecord from capturing any codes

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rifter374:

anybody here?

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hd420:

rayman-bx: thanks

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Juski:

phiw: hauppauge receivers work with hauppauge remote protocols _only_

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rifter374:

anyone know how to have the video manager rescan for videos remotely

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phiw:

d'oh — Juski, you certain, then?

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Juski:

phiw: absolutely

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phiw:

#($*%&^!

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rifter374:

like through ssh

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Juski:

the best thing you can do is teach the x10 remotes the hauppauge protocol (if you can)

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Juski:

rifter374: nope

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phiw:

Juski, not a bad idea — though I thought some people had been able to get semistandard RC5 remote codes to work with a few universal remotes

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phiw:

exceptions that prove the rule?

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rifter374:

hmm k thanks

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Juski:

phiw: the universal remotes have a code which pretty much emulates a hauppauge remote

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phiw:

ahhhhhh, so this ancient x10 will have nothing close to that unless taught :(

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Juski:

probably

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Juski:

anyway tis time for my bed

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phiw:

cool; thanks

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phiw:

i hadn't thought of it in those terms

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phiw:

night

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rifter374:

Juski: I found a .patch and .pro file that look like you can do it from cli

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rifter374:

any idea on how to implement it

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rifter374:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/104294

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hd420:

hmmph

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Dug02_:

how do I make xine 16:9?

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Dug02_:

it seem to be on 4:3 by default

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Dug02:

how to I change xine to be 16:9

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Agrajag-:

i think you want #xine

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Spoonah:

hey folks, just installed Ubuntu and am now trying to setup MythTV, but before i do that i need to install my TV Tuner card, i have DVICO FusionHDTV and am having trouble running the DVICO-Build.sh file, it says some files are missing such as (.config and build) from my kernel modules folder.

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Dug02:

Agrajag : a common setup us to use xine instead of mplayer... no one was active on xine so I thought someone here might have change their dvdplayer

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Agrajag-:

press a

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hpAuto:

what advantage does xine have

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Sedorox:

xine, at the time, was the only thing I could get to use the spdif out on my laptop when just playing dvd's

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Dug02:

hpAuto: displays dvd menus mplayer does not

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hpAuto:

oh

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Dug02:

Agrajag-: how do I get it to load in that mode? .xine/config setting?

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Agrajag-:

Dug02: i have no idea. it sounds like the aspect stored in the file you're trying to play is incorrect, as it normally autodetects it properly

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hpAuto:

I can't get mythplugins to compile, it keeps saying main.cpp:109: error: 'GetMythMainWindow' was not declared in this scope

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Dug02:

Agrajag-: that is correct... I just want to force everything into wide screen

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** Sedorox doesn't think that mythtv likes 2.6.16 headers... **

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Sedorox:

http://pastebin.ca/52478 <-- for those interested

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topher:

hey #mythv-users. perference question: what's the best program, besides mythtv-client, to stream videos off a local mythtv box with?

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topher:

i use vlc but it seems to have trouble when skipping

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Dug02:

doesn anyone here use xine with alsa?

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Dug02:

instead of mplayer?

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blafd:

hey

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** Sedorox waves from the corner **

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blafd:

duno if i mentioned this before but if theres any more people who cant get love under the penguin because of hardware problems and there gona do the dirty blafamy of mce, recommend them to use less evil "media Portal" which is open source project

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blafd:

blasfamay/is/a/*

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dtm:

blafd: or, to make rational hardware selections

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blafd:

er?

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blafd:

Thats a joke really

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Shek:

I have 2 tuners in my machine and they both appear to be setup correctly however no programs are being scheduled to record on the second tuner. Anyone have any ideas on this?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you here?

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IamEthos:

can mythtv be used to emulate a cable box?

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IamEthos:

for example, my cable company provides a lot more channels on my digital cable plan if I use the cable box

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IamEthos:

the televisions in my home that don't use it don't get access to the other channels and features

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IamEthos:

so could mythtv be and alternate for that? (or any linux software?)

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asterboy:

Anyone using the Hauppage MediaMVP as a front end?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: hey, you ever find out if 3412 dual tuner were individually addressable via firewire?

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Varanger:

I am planning to buy my first HDTV

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mchou:

Varanger: brave soul :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: I just walked in the door

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Varanger:

My problem is that I'd like to be sure... it will be 100% with MythTV

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mchou:

Varanger: you arent concerned over all the DRM junk? :)

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mchou:

Varanger: lol. Myth would be the least of your problems :)

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Varanger:

mchou: I have standard cable now, and I'll switch to digital cable bery soon

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Varanger:

s/bery/very

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Varanger:

mchou: It is true, my real problem is to make sure I know every HDTV concept

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mchou:

switch to digital cable b4 getting the HDTV

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Varanger:

for instance, which is better? 1080p or 1080i ?

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mchou:

Varanger: lol

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mchou:

Varanger: what's the budget for the TV?

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xris:

Varanger: p == progressive, i == interlaced

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xris:

progressive is more frames

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mchou:

xris: if he needs to even ask the question then his eyes are way more decerning than most humans

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Varanger:

xris: I knew the difference between i and p.... but I didn't know which one was better

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xris:

Varanger: then you don't know the difference between them

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mchou:

Varanger: most ppl are satisfied with EDTV

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Varanger:

I suppouse 1080p is better because it has more lines?

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mchou:

lol

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xris:

Varanger: not more lines. they both have 1080 lines... p has more frames.

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xris:

60fps vs 30 (give or take)

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Varanger:

xris: wow!

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mchou:

Varanger: what's your budget for TV?

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Varanger:

$2,500 – $3,000

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mchou:

Varanger: forget about 1080p on that budget

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xris:

haven't seen many tv's that support 1080p...

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xris:

esp. in the "not a plasma" market

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mchou:

Varanger: you;re lucky to get EDTV for that

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xris:

Varanger: there is *no* 1080p content yet

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Varanger:

What is EDTV ???

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mchou:

Varanger: google

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** xris thinks he saw that movie **

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Varanger:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTV

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xris:

mchou: you can get plenty of 720p tv's in the $1k price range

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Varanger:

Plasma or LCD ??

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xris:

Varanger: plasma's get burn in REALLY easily... and do get dimmer over the years

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xris:

but they're brighter and faster than lcd's

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Varanger:

LCD, then

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xris:

personally, I'd go for lcd

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Varanger:

xris: I don't like LCD, thogh

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xris:

Varanger: there's no good choice at the moment.

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Varanger:

I've seen them in shopping centers and they have a lot of "ghost" images

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xris:

Varanger: look at a good one.

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Varanger:

<xris> Varanger: there is *no* 1080p content yet

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xris:

Varanger: plasma, lcd or rear projection.. each has benefits and faults.. you just have to weigh what's important to you.

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Varanger:

It means that 720i/p is enough?

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xris:

Varanger: it means that there are 720p channels and 1080i channels... and soon with blue ray and hd-dvd, there may be some 1080p movies on disk... but not yet.

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xris:

compared to normal tv, 720p is gorgeous.

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xris:

1080i is even nicer.

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xris:

personally, 480i looks great on my tv... but it's only a 27" crt.

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Varanger:

xris: As I can understand, 1080i will be used in blue ray and hd-dvd... however, 720p is used in HD-broadcasting?

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xris:

Varanger: depends on where you are. Fox is mostly 720p. most others in my area are 1080i

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xris:

anyway, gotta go spend time with my wife. later.

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Varanger:

xris: Than, why did you say there is no 1080p content yet?

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Agrajag-:

because there isn't? he just said there's 1080i not 1080p

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mchou:

Varanger: most ppl cant even tell the diff betw. EDTV vs HDTV

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mchou:

xris: sure, if you enjoy looking at a postage stamp

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mchou:

goddamn comcast dropped my connection

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hd420:

mine's also a 27" CRT

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hd420:

my monitor is 14" LCD (laptop)

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xris:

mchou: 27" works great for me. I dont' have room for bigger

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mchou:

xris: heh, that was quick :)

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xris:

commercial

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mchou:

lol

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Cardoe:

wtf

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Cardoe:

Hans dropped my PPC patches to IVTV in 0.6.x

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mchou:

if I were married I'd spend more quality time w/ my wife :)

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Cardoe:

I bet he just never applied them to 0.5.x

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Cardoe:

only to 0.4.x

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mchou:

Cardoe: wouldnt surprise me

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defaultro:

mchou?

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defaultro:

you there

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mchou:

maybe

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benderz0r:

ivtvdrivers.org is down...does any one have a link to the instructions for getting the firmware for a 350?

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llyric:

benderz0r: extract it from the atrpms package?

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llyric:

srpm I guess

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benderz0r:

and debian options?

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benderz0r:

I have this file sitting in my /lib/firmware... v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg

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benderz0r:

that is the model of my card...is that the firm ware and if so how do I make it usable

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defaultro:

hey mchou, im back, just installed the firewire card :)

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defaultro:

glad that the $15 card was detected by kernel

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SlicerDicer-:

http://video.google.com/nara.html thats so cool!

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SlicerDicer-:

check that out!

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SlicerDicer-:

great to put in mythvideo :)

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ShockValue:

anyone have an fx5500 they'd like to get rid of? I got some cra...err.. nice stuff I could trade ya :)

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defaultro:

Shock, what type of traffic is it?

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defaultro:

I mean, Slicer, what type of traffic are those videos?

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SlicerDicer-:

eh?

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SlicerDicer-:

they are flash video of the national archives

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SlicerDicer-:

you can download them as AVI

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Neeesat25:

Anyone using xmame?

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defaultro:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its pretty damn cool though

[05:45:52]

defaultro:

Sometimes, similar programs are shown by Nova. Do you watch them?

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defaultro:

the other day, topic was Dimming Sun

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ShockValue:

i cleared my Nova show memory so it would re-record them in hidef :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: hey you here?

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kormoc:

hihi

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defaultro:

I've been recording Nova all in hidef ;)

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ShockValue:

just got a 2 hour special about space stuff and the origin of life.. good stuff :)

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defaultro:

about to project it soon to a 9ft wide screen

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ShockValue:

nice

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defaultro:

3 more months :D

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defaultro:

builder is starting the first floor tomorrow

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defaultro:

last week topic was about Saturn's mysterious moon, Titan

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defaultro:

do you like NBA?

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ShockValue:

thats the thing with all the guys running around with an orange ball?

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defaultro:

hey kormoc, what's up?

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defaultro:

lol

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kormoc:

not too much, what's up with you?

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defaultro:

not much too

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ShockValue:

kormoc, you still got that 5500 for sale? :)

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defaultro:

just got a cool tip from xris yesterday

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kormoc:

ShockValue, 5200, aye

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: check out the link of national archives stuff

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defaultro:

about hd recording via firewire

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defaultro:

and also from mchou

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dmz:

interesting...who mentioned to me that i couldn't write my mythtv output .mpg out to dvd...just took dvdstyler, dragged in a few recordings and it seems to run on a few dvd players so far :)

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ShockValue:

ah 5200 eh? but confirmed it will do 1080i out the dvi right?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: what about me!

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SlicerDicer-:

damn it!

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SlicerDicer-:

I daisy chain boxes :)

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dtm:

dmz: o/

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kormoc:

ShockValue, should be able too...

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defaultro:

kormoc, just bought a firewire pci card and installed it a while ago, glad it's detected

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ShockValue:

which brand is it?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: you have a HD Box?

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defaultro:

kormoc, i'll get the hd stb tomorrow morning

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defaultro:

none yet

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defaultro:

i'll get it tomorrow

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: if you run into problems feel free to ask me

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defaultro:

cool

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kormoc:

ShockValue, msi I beleive

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kormoc:

nifty

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I am very knowledgable on the subject :)

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defaultro:

Slicer, actually, i don't have any instructions right now as to how I will start

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defaultro:

bam

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defaultro:

;)

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: well to get started I would take a look at the wiki

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defaultro:

ok, let me look at it now

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SlicerDicer-:

there is some dudes method then my method

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SlicerDicer-:

;)

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ShockValue:

kormoc: looks like it will if it's this one: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/vga/vga_de . . . FX5200_TD128

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defaultro:

this is it right, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: the deps above apply to mine as well

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dmz:

so anyone think of any reason i shouldn't use nuvexport instead of just burning mpg?

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defaultro:

deps?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, it's a pci one

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SlicerDicer-:

dependencies

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ShockValue:

ewww ;)

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

hmmm, looking at the wiki, it is showing tons of 1394 loaded modules. I only have 2

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defaultro:

but the wiki mentions the 2 i have :)

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ShockValue:

ugh.. early shift tomorrow.. nighty night all

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kormoc:

ShockValue, okay, found the box, sorry, it's a chaintech

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kormoc:

night ShockValue

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: :)

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defaultro:

Slicer, I don't have plugreport :(

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I compiled the modules into my kernel it prevents problems

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defaultro:

I think that's what I did previously

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SlicerDicer-:

plugreport comes with libiec61883 I think.. or is that test-mpeg2

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SlicerDicer-:

argh

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defaultro:

yeah, i don't have plugreport. Do I need to SVN everything, recompile everything so that plugreport doesn't conflict

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SlicerDicer-:

no you dont need to svn

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i don't even have test-mpeg2 tool

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SlicerDicer-:

moment

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to ssh into my mythbox and see

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defaultro:

k

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SlicerDicer-:

I needed to restart the backend anyway

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SlicerDicer-:

I am still confused as to why the upcoming recordings just vanishes :)

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

so do I just go to linux1394.org to get the utilities?

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SlicerDicer-:

libiec61883 has test-mpeg2

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defaultro:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

same with plugreport and plugctl

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defaultro:

and it shouldn't matter what kernel i have right

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SlicerDicer-:

well I dont know thats debateable

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defaultro:

hey, i see your handle on that wiki :)

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead seemed to have issues with some kernels

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defaultro:

one port, 3 tuners

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defaultro:

that's slick

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

AFAIK I am the only one to do it yet heh so it was how do you say it... TOTAL PAIN IN THE ASS!!! ;-)

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defaultro:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

everybody else did it on seperate ports not a single with daisy chain hehe

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defaultro:

i like your approach

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defaultro:

how is the recording though?

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SlicerDicer-:

great

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defaultro:

no drops?

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SlicerDicer-:

when my recordings schedule works lol

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SlicerDicer-:

but thats unrelated

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

what HDs are you able to record though?

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SlicerDicer-:

no drops yet

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SlicerDicer-:

channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

all of them

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

wow

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SlicerDicer-:

I can record anything I want

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SlicerDicer-:

even the SDTV

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defaultro:

sweet

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SlicerDicer-:

I pulled my PVR350 out

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defaultro:

who's your provider?

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SlicerDicer-:

comcast

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defaultro:

oh great

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defaultro:

I just upgraded my package last night

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SlicerDicer-:

if you have RR you may be shit out of luck for unencrypted

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defaultro:

in order for me to get the HD stb

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defaultro:

RR?

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SlicerDicer-:

roadrunner

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defaultro:

what is that?

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SlicerDicer-:

does not apply then heh

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defaultro:

curious though

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SlicerDicer-:

a simple hostname check would have told me you used comcast

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defaultro:

yes, im with comcast

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defaultro:

am actually recording local HDs from them via fusion hdtv

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SlicerDicer-:

roadrunner is a cable provider that does 5C encryption that I know of for some users

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defaultro:

but am not able to record other HD channels such as Discovery, Some folks have luck in Comcast. So am gonna try by using firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah xris can do what I can

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know but I can say that the firewire is ncie

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SlicerDicer-:

nice rather

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SlicerDicer-:

very nice

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

what model is your HD stb?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: btw I had to back it down to 2 stb's till I get raid

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defaultro:

i didn't get, what do you mean?

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SlicerDicer-:

my harddrive cannot handle the data stream from 3 boxes at once

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SlicerDicer-:

it overloads it

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defaultro:

ah

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SlicerDicer-:

I have the DCT6200

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defaultro:

so you have more than 1 stb then?

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SlicerDicer-:

4 actually that are HD

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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defaultro:

holy cow

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defaultro:

what subscription though?

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SlicerDicer-:

umm the big one?

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defaultro:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

platinum package

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defaultro:

am gonna try first without a digital package

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SlicerDicer-:

I still have a SDTV STB incase comcast decides to banninate via firewire

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defaultro:

some folks have luck even with simple basic package

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SlicerDicer-:

that SDTV box is rs232 controlable :)

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I think xris has the standard package

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defaultro:

i currently have DCT2244

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defaultro:

does not have firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not sure but I think he has that but one with hbo? I dont know but it works

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defaultro:

btw, this is the one right, http://www.linux1394.org/dl/libiec61883-1.0.0.tar.gz

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SlicerDicer-:

what distro are you using btw?

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah thats it if you look in the examples dir there is the plubctl and all that

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defaultro:

fc3

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: maybe there is a rpm that contains the examples seperately?

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SlicerDicer-:

I think thats how debian is

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defaultro:

i don't like rpms :)

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SlicerDicer-:

no problem :)

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SlicerDicer-:

but yep thats what you need

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SlicerDicer-:

just compile the stuff in the examples and use that

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defaultro:

am trying to configure now

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SlicerDicer-:

thats where the tools are

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defaultro:

oh, it's dependent on another package, No package 'libraw1394' found

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defaultro:

http://www.linux1394.org/dl/libraw1394-1.2.1.tar.gz

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defaultro:

will this program affect the module that is installed currently in my kernel?

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SlicerDicer-:

does not on mine

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

bam

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defaultro:

failed configure on libiec61883

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defaultro:

had to to do this to make it work, export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig"

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defaultro:

;)

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defaultro:

bam, both are install

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defaultro:

installed

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SlicerDicer-:

cool you should have plugreport plugctl and the rest

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defaultro:

i'm just missing the 6p-6p cable and the stb

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defaultro:

i'm just worried that once I pick up the stb and the hd stb that they're going to give me doesn't have a firewire port

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defaultro:

because I asked last night what model it was and I remember the support was telling me it's DCT 5100

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defaultro:

but she was not sure

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defaultro:

I looked it up on google, this model doesn't have firewire port

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defaultro:

like what mchou told me yesterday, I should slap the fcc document on their face

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defaultro:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: they are required to give you a working firewire port upon request

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SlicerDicer-:

right kormoc?

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defaultro:

but what if the girl was right, 5100 model?

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defaultro:

i should insist right upfront right?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its FCC mandate stuff that they have to give you it

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defaultro:

k

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: knows more about it hes the one who told me about it

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defaultro:

Slicer, look at this error. I just tried plugreport but I know, i don't have any device yet connected

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defaultro:

raw1394 – couldn't get handle: No such file or directory

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defaultro:

This error usually means that the raw1394 driver is not loaded or that /dev/raw1394 does not exist.

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defaultro:

and yes, i don't have that file

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: did it put in in /dev/raw/raw1394 or something stupid like that?

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defaultro:

let me check

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SlicerDicer-:

I had to modify the udev rules

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SlicerDicer-:

to make it go to /dev/ not /dev/stupid

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

there is no files or dirs that start with raw

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SlicerDicer-:

'modprobe raw1394' ?

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

i had 2 listing previously by lsmod, now it's 3 ;)

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defaultro:

raw1394 31852 0

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defaultro:

ohci1394 36916 0

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defaultro:

ieee1394 307160 2 raw1394,ohci1394

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defaultro:

why isn't it loaded, can you show me please your conf.modules?

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defaultro:

i can just add it in /etc/rc.local though

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defaultro:

now, it created /dev/raw/raw1394

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: it should be in /etc/modules/autoload or something similar that you add it

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defaultro:

ok, i will modify udev then

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defaultro:

i forgot, what do I do with udev

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SlicerDicer-:

under # raw devices

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SlicerDicer-:

KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="%k", GROUP="disk"

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I did

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defaultro:

is this the one, KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="raw/%k"

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defaultro:

KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="raw/%k"

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defaultro:

is this the one, KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="raw/%k"

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defaultro:

is this the one, KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="raw/%k"

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SlicerDicer-:

wait know

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SlicerDicer-:

ignore that

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defaultro:

oops

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defaultro:

sorrry

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SlicerDicer-:

just leave that alone I forgot

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SlicerDicer-:

I did that then changed hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

nano /etc/udev/rules.d/10-raw.rules

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SlicerDicer-:

then add this line

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defaultro:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

KERNEL="raw[0–9]*", NAME="%k", GROUP="mythtv", MODE="0666" OWNER="mythtv"

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SlicerDicer-:

then you should be good :)

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defaultro:

so that file, 10-raw.rules is a new rule right?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause without it being user mythtv group mythtv it gave me bigtime hell

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

then i will rmmod raw1394

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defaultro:

you're the mAN!

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I should add some more information on the wiki hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh I did put that on there

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

oops

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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defaultro:

i got it now as /dev/raw1394

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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defaultro:

do I need other 1393 modules to be loaded

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defaultro:

1394

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defaultro:

i have raw1394, ohci1394 and ieee1394. Is these enough to make firewire recording working?

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

I guess, this is it for now

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defaultro:

are you here tomorrow?

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SlicerDicer-:

I will be around yes

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defaultro:

i mean later since it's 1:30 am now :)

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SlicerDicer-:

depends on if I am at the keyboard or not though :)

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defaultro:

what zone are you at? Pacific/

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: you here?

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SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering if you knew of why upcoming recordings would suddenly vanish and not work

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defaultro:

Slicer, i never had any issues with upcoming recordings

[06:31:16]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah it just goes absolutely stupid on mine

[06:31:28]

SlicerDicer-:

I am constantly having things that dont record heh

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SlicerDicer-:

the recording schedule just vaporizes

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defaultro:

hmmm

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defaultro:

do you have any cronjobs that does sql deletes?

[06:32:12]

defaultro:

what about your mythfilldatabase

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SlicerDicer-:

not that I am aware of

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defaultro:

what are your parameters?

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defaultro:

do you use zap2it?

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SlicerDicer-:

let me check

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SlicerDicer-:

just the default settings in mythtv for running mythfilldatabase

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i'm running mythfilldatabase though via cron

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defaultro:

1 0 * * sun /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase

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SlicerDicer-:

I am manually running mythfilldatabase

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

I forgot that I will have to recompile my mythtv with firewire support :)

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah the only thing I can record right now that wont last over 30 mins is a stupid porn lol

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SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering if the autoexpire of things is doing it

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kormoc:

defaultro, you should really switch over to having the backend run it, as it's much nicer to zap2it's servers

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SlicerDicer-:

cause daily I have autoexpire stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

so I am going to delete something and see what happens

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: do you have any ideas what might cause my upcoming recordings vaporize?

[06:39:23]

kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

check the log

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SlicerDicer-:

there is nothing in the log that is useful to it

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defaultro:

kormoc, hmm, i thought that was the way to do it. Thanks for letting me know

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SlicerDicer-:

mythfilldatabase did not do it

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SlicerDicer-:

I guess thats not the culprit

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kormoc:

defaultro, zap2it sends a request for the next run time, to load balance their server, having the backend schedule it respects that value, so it's happier for everyone :)

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

kormoc, can you please show me a link on how to configure it?

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kormoc:

not really, just run the setup and it's a option in there somewhere

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defaultro:

is it within mytht-setup?

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

hey guys, i'm quite sleepy. I actually just came from fever :D

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defaultro:

I'll be back here tomorrow/later

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defaultro:

Thanks Slicer/kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

damn it damn it damn it

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know what to do over this recording schedule

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SlicerDicer-:

I miss a good 80% of what I have scheduled to record for that day :/

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Dug02:

I am getting an error in my mythfrontend.log from mplayer : http://pastebin.com/691793 I have tried #alsa, sound is working for TV, mp3 just not dvd

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traxmac:

are u using xine to play dvd's

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traxmac:

I thought xine was better

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traxmac:

otherwise ensure mplayer works for playing dvd, i.e. sound is configured correctly

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Spoony:

this may sound like a simple question but how do i start off a recording on MythTV?

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benderz0r:

press the record button on your remote/record key on your keyboard

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benderz0r:

YAY :D

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benderz0r:

now...to fix all of the broken things that aren't working :P

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Spoony:

when recording video footage via my SVIDEO it seems to be very bright, im assuming that the VIDEO FORMAT is incorrect, but i cannot see a video format of PAL-B in the Myth Channel setup, anyone know how to fix this bright shakey 'ghost' picture?

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LLyric:

Spoony: it's not myth that does that, it's normally the video capture. pvr-350?

[09:03:54]

Spoony:

i am using DVICO FusionHDTV on Ubuntu (just installed)

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LLyric:

Might be a module parameter

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Spoony:

oh as in my driver setup?

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LLyric:

Spoony: twin tuner, or single tuner one? I'd be interested how it goes, I'm in the market for a twin-tuner hd captuer

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Spoony:

single tuner

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LLyric:

Spoony: yeah, I figure so, there's probabyl a howto

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Spoony:

its the Plus edition, has RF IN/RF OUT and SVIDEO

[09:05:23]

Spoony:

although the driver i installed i couldnt find much information on it

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traxmac:

does the 350 have a different tuner to the 500

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Juski:

ugh software encoding :-/

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Juski:

traxmac: probably

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LLyric:

traxmac: they all have slightly different revisions, but basically the same yeah

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LLyric:

traxmac: uses ivtv driver

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Juski:

the 500 card is newer, so will most likely use newer tuners. samsung tuners on the 500 cards are a little buggy right now. they'll nix it eventually I expect

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traxmac:

we really need to make a pci table for this stuff

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traxmac:

I thought 350 was newer

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LLyric:

what do you mean? There are tables

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Juski:

eh? there's not _that_ much information to digest

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traxmac:

configuration wise

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Juski:

oh you mean as in 'here's my working system & what comprises it...' kinda crap?

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LLyric:

Juski: so contribute that on the mythtv wiki

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Spoony:

LLyric, how would you usually go about configuring a module? is there a utility that i would goto?

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Juski:

you can give a bunch of people the same hardware – some will get it to work. no such thing as 'reference' hardware

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LLyric:

Start it up, write a good first example or two, and encourage other people to help

[09:08:23]

Juski:

fuck that!

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traxmac:

right,

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LLyric:

Spoony: I'd read docs about the driver, check "modinfo whatever"

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Spoony:

ah ok thanks

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Juski:

my system works and I'm happy with it

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traxmac:

Juski, u can get it to work, I can get it to work many others also, alot more cannot

[09:08:49]

Juski:

it's their loss

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LLyric:

Juski: how do you expect open-source stuff to get any better, if YOU won't help? Why would anyone else

[09:09:46]

Juski:

hey I've helped. I've done themes – maintaining them is a big chunk of my time. I also did a patch for myth a while ago, and I help out a lot of other ways

[09:10:24]

Juski:

I just don't see how getting mythtv to work is _hard_. It's not

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LLyric:

it's not, if you've got a bunch of linux experience, and know how it fits together.

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Juski:

if more people cared to read the documentation & understood it when they did, then more people would get it working :)

[09:11:05]

traxmac:

I agree, its not hard

[09:11:16]

LLyric:

It's especially easy with fedora+atrpms

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LLyric:

Spoony: http://www.users.on.net/~jani/dvico-mythtv-5.html

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traxmac:

depends on how much skills u have

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Juski:

LLyric: it took me about 2 weeks from having no linux knowledge to getting a working mythtv system. including doing a stage1 gentoo on an 800mhz machine

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Juski:

all I did was follow howto guides

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** LLyric has been linux since 0.95 or so **

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Juski:

I'm still skeptical of the wiki's usefulness anyway. it's blindingly obvious that most of the noobs who come in here don't even know it exists

[09:13:57]

LLyric:

Spoony: I think the dvico driver guy is actually an aussy

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traxmac:

well, most people do not read, I know

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traxmac:

hardware experiences are always useful

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Juski:

and it's my opinion, that if they can't be bothered to read up on something, they can go screw themselves :-P

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j3g:

guys, there was a program to change the tv standard for ivtv, from ntsc to pal-m etc, but i don't remember it's name.... anyone know it?

[09:15:33]

Juski:

Spoony: for the svideo input that is too bright – you might want to look at v4lctl, a utility that _should_ come with xawtv

[09:15:41]

Juski:

j3g: ivtvctl

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LLyric:

Damn! Casey Stoner lost the lead of the motogp on the last lap!

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LLyric:

Damnit

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j3g:

Juski: do you know the parameters for pal?

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LLyric:

j3g: it'll tell you

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Juski:

j3g: another example of someone who hasn't done his research

[09:16:30]

LLyric:

yeah

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traxmac:

sometimes, its nicer to ask

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j3g:

Juski: i did search for that... but i only found references to test_ioctl instead of ivtvctl

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LLyric:

Juski: look in your ivtv package/source

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LLyric:

you'll see the program

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LLyric:

or read the README

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Juski:

eh?

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LLyric:

Juski: however you got the ivtv driver, it should have come with README files

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Juski:

LLyric: now you're just trying to wind me up... j3g had he ivtvctl question not me

[09:19:12]

LLyric:

oh yeah, m'kay

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Juski:

lol

[09:19:39]

LLyric:

j[tab] foo

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Juski:

another thing is the amount of folks who don't even read the messages that pop up when you first log in here... "ivtv questions...."

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Spoony:

Juski, with v4lctl would that just adjust the brightness? cause theres more difference to that, its brighter and not 100% also if you know what i mean

[09:20:50]

Juski:

Spoony: there's a brightness control & a contrast control I think

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j3g:

it still doesn't work :(

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Juski:

j3g: how did ivtv come to have the wrong video std in the first place?

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cgg:

How do I configure teletext??

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Spoony:

Juski, The picture is also grainy tho, has a grainy look too it.

[09:22:00]

Juski:

or are you doing something fancy like recording from a foreign VCR, Spoony?

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j3g:

Juski: i have to use pal-m ... the cards' default is ntsc

[09:22:35]

Juski:

Spoony: grain in the picture is usually caused by noise. what is connected to the input?

[09:22:46]

Juski:

j3g: let myth deal with that

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j3g:

Juski: but I asked hauppauge support before about it.. and they said the ntsc card supports pal-m just fine... the pal version of the card is just for other pal formats (mostly europe)

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Spoony:

i have cable tv connected, it looked way better when i did it on windows, but i formatted and put ubuntu on

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Spoony:

so im guessing it has somethign to do with drivers or settings but i have no clue where to start

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** LLyric has to go for dinner now, bbl. **

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Juski:

Spoony: you'd have been better off buying a PVR150 card. software encoding _sucks_

[09:24:22]

j3g:

Juski: i'm trying to get it working on mplayer first ;)

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Juski:

Spoony: get xawtv. it should have the v4lctl program

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Juski:

j3g: the command would be... ivtvctl -u 0x0000000000003000

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Juski:

oops that's NTSC

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Juski:

ivtvctl -u 0x00000000000000FF

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Juski:

that's PAL

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Juski:

I think the exact PAL standard will be autodetected

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j3g:

i don't believe that's working :(

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Juski:

j3g: what makes you think it's not working?

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j3g:

Video standard = 0x000000ff

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Juski:

yep

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j3g:

when its set to this, i get a garbled image

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j3g:

when i set it back do 003000

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j3g:

i get the BW image (pal-m transmission on a NTSC receiver)

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Juski:

is it a pvr150 card?

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j3g:

yes

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Juski:

if you do ivtvctl -a what does it tell you the image size is?

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Juski:

width / height?

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Juski:

and when you say 'garbled' what do you mean?

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Juski:

tell you what j3g: set the standard to PAL again & do ivtvctl -a, then post the output of that into a pastebin

[09:31:21]

j3g:

garbled like with the vertical setting screwed up... i can barely see the image

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Juski:

also – what version of ivtv are you using?

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j3g:

http://pastebin.com/691883

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j3g:

0.4.2

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j3g:

VIDIOC_ENUMINPUT is set to NTSC

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j3g:

but video_stardard is set to ff

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Juski:

the tuner is NTSC, yes

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j3g:

but it is supposed to accept pal

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Juski:

if the tuner is NTSC you can only use PAL on the composite or svideo inputs

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Juski:

sounds like you should've bought the PAL version

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Juski:

unless you only want to use svideo or composite

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j3g:

Juski: the hauppauge support said it allowed pal-m.. it just wouldn't allow strange encodings as secam/etc

[09:35:42]

Juski:

maybe the ivtv driver doesn't allow it

[09:35:56]

Juski:

you'd better hop into #ivtv-dev for this one

[09:36:09]

Juski:

quiet as the grave in there, but someone will answer eventually

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j3g:

sheesh :(

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j3g:

this is what they told me

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j3g:

Model 980 (PVR250) and Model 1045 (PVR150) will support both NTSC and PAL M/N for North and South America.

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j3g:

Models on our website which are indicated as PAL refer to products which will work in Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. – but not in North/South America.

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Juski:

yep – you need to ask in #ivtv-dev then

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Juski:

it might just be that having it set to NTSC you need to tweak something else

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Juski:

aha!

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Juski:

apparently you can set the ivtvmodule to accept PAL-M

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Juski:

do modinfo ivtv

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Juski:

that'll give you the info you need, j3g :)

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j3g:

Juski: i found out how to set it... ivtv_std=2

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j3g:

now it shows:

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j3g:

Standard: 0x00000000000000FF ( PAL )

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j3g:

for the tuner

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Juski:

ahhh

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j3g:

but everything is garbled :(

[09:42:15]

Juski:

hmmm

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j3g:

the strange thing is that this shouldn't happen...

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j3g:

if there was a mistake in the ntsc/pal setting, it should get black and white, and now garbled

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j3g:

s/now/not

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Juski:

there's an option you can load the ivtv module with to force it to PAL-M

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Juski:

PAL=m

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j3g:

hmm let me try

[09:45:14]

j3g:

pal=m is a unknown parameter for ivtv

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j3g:

i think its for tuner module

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Juski:

modules.conf would be the file to edit I think

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Juski:

or modprobe.conf

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j3g:

i did modprobe tuner pal=m

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j3g:

garbled :(

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Juski:

no no no

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frederikfdvp:

hi

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Juski:

j3g: PAL-M is vidstd 3 from what I can tell

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frederikfdvp:

is there way for a nvidia card to display on tv only without nvidia driver ?

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Juski:

hi frederikfdvp

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Juski:

frederikfdvp: maybe with nvtv ;-) google it

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Juski:

j3g: hang on I'll look in the source

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j3g:

Juski: ivtv_std=3? if so, the image not only gets garbled... but turns orange as well :)

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Juski:

j3g: try ivtv_std=5

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j3g:

ok hold

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j3g:

black and white (like std=0

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Juski:

ivtv_std=4 ?

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j3g:

hold

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j3g:

BW

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Juski:

BW?

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Juski:

ah nm

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Juski:

I think ivtv0.6.x definitely supports PAL-M

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frederikfdvp:

nvtv doesn't work

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j3g:

i'll try it :)

[10:02:58]

Juski:

j3g: you need > 2.6.16 kernel for that

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j3g:

but i'm currently on kernel 2.6.15 and it seems that .6

[10:03:01]

j3g:

eyah

[10:03:02]

j3g:

yeah

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j3g:

i'll do it tomorrow :)

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j3g:

i'm too tired for this right now

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j3g:

thank you for your help Juski

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Juski:

j3g: actually !!!

[10:04:14]

Juski:

I'd say that you know the hardware _works_, right...

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frederikfdvp:

anybody have a idea for tv out without nvidia module

[10:04:35]

Juski:

frederikfdvp: if nvtv didn't work you'll need the nvidia module

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Juski:

j3g: go ahead with mythtv – it'll know how to set the video standard properly

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frederikfdvp:

problem is , nvidia module is loaded , but when i do startx , pc hangs

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j3g:

hehe i'll try that tomorrow with knoppmyth ...

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j3g:

later today actually :)

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Juski:

frederikfdvp: so ask in #nvidia then ;-)

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frederikfdvp:

ok

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eiggirC:

there's a #nvidia ?

[10:07:05]

eiggirC:

yes, there is

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eiggirC:

ow

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eiggirC:

wow

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Juski:

why's that such a surprise?

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** Juski is gonna direct lirc issues to #lirc in future too :-D **

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eiggirC:

I'd expect it to have been as likely as #microsoft on freenode

[10:07:51]

eiggirC:

or even #sco on freenode

[10:08:00]

Juski:

bah politics

[10:08:13]

eiggirC:

HAHAHAH #sco exists

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Zider:

I fail to see the humor in that..

[10:08:34]

eiggirC:

Zider: join it and see the topic

[10:09:02]

Zider:

yes, so?

[10:09:22]

eiggirC:

its funny – the recent Sco shite

[10:09:41]

eiggirC:

dude – I can't explain it if your funny bone doesn't work.

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Zider:

I don't read about "recent sco shite"

[10:10:13]

eiggirC:

Zider: you must be german.

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eiggirC:

anyway – g'night all!

[10:10:21]

Zider:

nope

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Zider:

what does that have to do with anything?

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eiggirC:

germans are reputed to have no / little sense of humour

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eiggirC:

it was a joke in itself

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Zider:

I have humor, but I don't see anything amusing about that topic

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eiggirC:

never mind dude – its probably me

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Zider:

probably

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Coume:

morning

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laga:

morning

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benderz0r:

yay my first _fully working_ mythtv install :D

[10:17:19]

benderz0r:

how ownage...

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benderz0r:

only took four years!

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laga:

nice. took me two years

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Zider:

"ownage"? been playing cs much? :P

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laga:

Zider: 0wnz0r4g3?

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benderz0r:

Zider: general slang these days

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Zider:

yeah right

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laga:

!trout eiggirC

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** MythLogBot slaps eiggirC with a trout on behalf of laga... **

[10:18:22]

benderz0r:

laga: heh, setup my first mythtv box in late 2001...that took a good three weeks of stuffing around with and it's been rather ...broken most of that time

[10:18:51]

laga:

heh, nice

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benderz0r:

blew away that box last night and started fresh today and now everything is fixed and working like a charm

[10:18:58]

benderz0r:

only took a day :P

[10:19:09]

benderz0r:

well... 1300 til 2000

[10:19:21]

laga:

yeah, mythtv has gotten easier to setup, at least a little bit. but experience helps a lot ;)

[10:19:27]

benderz0r:

yeah

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benderz0r:

haha it's horrible seeing errors that you know you've spend hours fixing before and having to find the solution all over again

[10:19:59]

benderz0r:

at least these days searching for mythtv in google returns results :)

[10:20:53]

benderz0r:

I'm running it with the msmc theme :D ...will be great to show off to media centre friends all of the toys I have and they do...as long as I hide that lirc is a work in progress, it doesn't seem to work with 2.6.16 yet

[10:21:39]

benderz0r:

I'm loving a working tvguide :D

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** benderz0r dances around overly happily **

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laga:

heh ;)

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laga:

eiggirC: FYI, i do have a sense of humour.

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laga:

(did i just prove that i don't have a sense of homour by replying?!)

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Zider:

laga: yes. ;)

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traxmac:

does mythfrontend really need a window manager, will it work with just X running

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Zider:

it works with just x

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traxmac:

I thought that would be the case

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traxmac:

well less overhead, thats good

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Zider:

but a wm is nice to make sure new windows gets focus and stuff like that if you wanna use mythgame

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traxmac:

right

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Zider:

I use fluxbox

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LLyric:

I use xfce4

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Zider:

tales very little ram and still has nice functions

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Zider:

takes

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LLyric:

Nice and light, I turn off everything except the desktop context menu

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traxmac:

yep, they are less demanding than kde or gnome

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Zider:

running kde/gnome just for mythgame is very overkill :)

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Zider:

for mythtv

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Zider:

even

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Neeesat25:

Anyone using xmame?

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TinheadNed:

hi

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** LLyric nods **

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TinheadNed:

i'm about to set up a mythtv box and I wanted to confirm – does it work with mysql 5.0.x?

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LLyric:

sure

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TinheadNed:

ah cool

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** LLyric is using 5.0.18 **

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TinheadNed:

i had some issues upgrading mysql on one machine from 4.0.x – i think there's some utf8 weirdness going on

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TinheadNed:

thought I should check, seeing as everything links to the sql libs

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TinheadNed:

ah, gtg a train

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TinheadNed:

bye

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TinheadNed:

and thx

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benderz0r:

it had better, mysql 5 is dling now in updates :P

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traxmac:

anyone here know what the length of the pvr 500 is

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benderz0r:

hauppauge keep physical dimentions of their cards in spec sheets on their website

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benderz0r:

I know the one for the 350 is there so the 500 should be

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traxmac:

let me look again then

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frederikfdvp:

hi , anybody here that got ati radeon 7500 working with tv-out for mythtv ?

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hashbang:

frederikfdvp: tried http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/atitvout/ ?

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Red_Tide:

quick question how does mythtv know when programs ae on?

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laga:

Red_Tide: xmltv

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hashbang:

Red_Tide: or using on-air guides

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Juski:

or the tv guide pixies :-P

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Juski:

afternoon laga :)

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laga:

morning Juski

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Red_Tide:

ahh I see thank you for clarifying

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Juski:

I have to patch my themes soon.. bah

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

laga how's the preparation for linuxtag going?

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** laga is currently downloading pc-bsd **

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Juski:

who'd call a distro blue screen of death? heh

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laga:

Juski: looks like everything is ready. i hope fox and the other guys will take lots of pictures ;)

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laga:

Juski: bah

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Juski:

still yet to try my new nvidia card out .. and give mythdora a spin

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Juski:

should be fun

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laga:

heh. is mythdora still being updated?

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Juski:

but now I think it's time to go to the shop.. and before that I have to glue my door mirror back on. getting really tired of taping it

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Juski:

I think mythdora is being kept up to date

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Juski:

oh baby it's _cold_ outside

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laga:

pussy

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Juski:

that's my pesky mirror araldited back on. hope it holds long enough so I can spray the new one (when we get some nice weather)

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laga:

heh

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laga:

that's gonna take some time (the weather, i mean)

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Juski:

heh I might have to borrow a garage to do the painting

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Zider:

paint what?

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Juski:

before that I have to find out what fucking colour it should be though

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Juski:

Zider: paint the replacement door mirror I had to buy cos some c*** kicked it off

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Juski:

oo had a message on my answerphone yesterday from the police. they might know who the perp is at last

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Zider:

a mirror on the door?

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Zider:

I thought those were hung on the wall

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Zider:

(mostly)

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Juski:

car door

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Zider:

oh, car

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Juski:

car == expensive as hell

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Zider:

I don't even have a license

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Juski:

I was quoted Â£250 to replace it from the main stealer... errr dealer

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Zider:

:P

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Juski:

bought one online for Â£35 plus tax

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Juski:

'all' I have to do is paint & fit it

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Zider:

heh

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Zider:

expensive stuff

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Juski:

be nicer if I'd caught the bastard though.

[12:47:36]

Zider:

yeah, then you could've pulled him after your car and stuff ;)

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Juski:

still – the cctv camera sticking out of the front of my house like a sore thumb may be putting the c*** off

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Juski:

apologies btw – but I feel there's no other word for him

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Zider:

well, I think it's a proper description of someone who wrecks other peoples stuff..

[12:49:34]

Juski:

think I might just get round to releasing new versions of my themes today

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Zider:

ah :)

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Juski:

maintenance release to take changes in SVN into account

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Juski:

btw folks – these spiffy new opengl menus.. what are the transitions like? just fades or are they zoomy at all?

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Zider:

opengl menus? hm.. haven't seen any..

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Juski:

they is in SVN

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

explains it then ;)

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Juski:

sod it I think I'll fire up the spare box later

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Juski:

I can do some more tiling while it compiles

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Zider:

saft, brb

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laga:

saft?

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Juski:

* * fucking tefelome?

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laga:

*shrugs*

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laga:

Juski: so, did you finally get laid off? ;))

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** laga hides **

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Juski:

no getting laid of any description this weekend fella – wifey is away :-P

[12:55:42]

Zider:

saft, yes.. yum ;)

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laga:

heh. have fun ;)

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laga:

Zider: juice? ;)

[12:55:57]

Zider:

laga: a kind of juice yes :)

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laga:

kuchen, brb

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Juski:

saft make lead acid batteries – that's as much as I know

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I got TV Out working on the msntv last night. Now it's mostly timings and such that need to be adjusted, and maybe 1 more register

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: coolness :-)

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Zider:

NES!

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Juski:

I looked for ages last night – couldn't find much posted on the toc2rca forum about myth on it

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Zider:

nintendo 8bit <3

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: most of the talk as been in the IRC channel :)

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GreyFoxx:

and even then it's a quiet channel, only a few of us talking

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

I guess it makes for faster work

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GreyFoxx:

I think they are all waiting for this to be "done" before trying :)

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GreyFoxx:

but after reading datasheets, and the source to the regular x driver, the intelfb kernel module and nvtv and finally writing the app to dump the registers I was able to find what I needed :)

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Zider:

I'm waiting for my tuner card ;)

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Juski:

heheh.. insert blootflash _here_, press 'go'...

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jharrisonwk:

greetings

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GreyFoxx:

And today I plugged it into one of my pvr cards so I can actualyl SEE the effects of stuff I toggle from here :)

[13:01:08]

jharrisonwk:

what do you guys think of the WinTV-PVR-500?

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plb:

hey guys I have a time warner cable box hooked up to my tuner card and control channels via the cable box remote and have ivtv set at channel 3. How can I make it so I can control the channels through myth?

[13:01:20]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: eh? have you put a PCI socket on the board? or was it USB?

[13:01:52]

laga:

Juski: no, he plugget it into the composite in of one of his pvr cards

[13:01:53]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: drop the wintv bit & folks will be less frosty

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Juski:

ahhh

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laga:

plugget? *g*

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** Juski slaps himself **

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Right :)

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: well thats the part/model name

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GreyFoxx:

so I can stream the output to the office and work on it from here

[13:02:52]

laga:

jharrisonwk: of your non-existing card? ;)

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Juski:

the mythtv-PVR-500 card is very popular – but watch out for models with the Samsung tuners – they don't work so well in some cases

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Juski:

they'd be totally fine for composite/svideo until the driver is totally fixed though

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jharrisonwk:

is the mythtv-pvr-500 card the same one made by hauppauge?

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

just call it PVR500

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jharrisonwk:

fine as long as we are talkign about the same thing

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jharrisonwk:

im not going to go buy a $120 card unless I am sure about it and know it should work

[13:04:38]

Juski:

the same way MS calling their MCE thing a 'center' pisses us Brits off, the wintv bit – I find annoying too

[13:05:11]

jharrisonwk:

well me too but its the model name I was not trying to piss anyone off

[13:05:13]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: like I said it should be fine, but be wary that models of the card with samsung tuners are still a little bit flaky in the drivers at the moment

[13:05:15]

jharrisonwk:

I was just being precise

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jharrisonwk:

what drivers are used with it?

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jharrisonwk:

ivtv?

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Juski:

the only drivers for linux, ivtv

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jharrisonwk:

ah ok

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cgg:

Does any one know how to chose language on teletext??

[13:06:28]

jharrisonwk:

the pvr500 looks like it has conexant chips on it

[13:06:30]

Juski:

I wish to hell hauppauge would start _officially_ supporting us linux users

[13:06:46]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: not the conexant chips. the SAMSUNG tuner modules on the card. jesus

[13:07:03]

jharrisonwk:

oh ok

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Zider:

does RAM speed have a big impact on recording from a tuner card?

[13:07:13]

Juski:

Zider: nope

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Zider:

good.. :)

[13:07:29]

Juski:

it might if you're doing software encoding – lots of it

[13:07:35]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: how can you tell what modules the pvr500 would have on it?

[13:07:54]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: it's pot luck I'm afraid – unless you can look at it when you buy it – and even then....

[13:08:14]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: would probably be buying from the web

[13:08:46]

Juski:

I wouldn't let the samsung tuner thing put you off – it's just a matter of time before it all works perfectly. anyway some people find it works okay already

[13:08:55]

Juski:

I was just pointing out the potential pitfall

[13:09:06]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: the pvr500 would work with digital cable right? with the ir transmitter/receiver?

[13:09:12]

plb:

does anyone know how to setup a time warner cable box with myth?

[13:09:21]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: understood

[13:10:08]

jharrisonwk:

I was thinking of asking my cable company if they would program a digital tv tuner card but I think they wont do it

[13:10:08]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: if you plug a set top box into the pvr500's composite / svideo inputs with audio connections, yes – but then to record 2 such things you will need the extra bracket with the other inputs on. used to be an optional extra but may be supplied as standard now

[13:10:11]

plb:

more specifically how can I control my cable through mythtv rather then my cable box

[13:10:24]

Juski:

plb: look in the wiki

[13:10:42]

Juski:

or read the stuff about lirc controlling devices

[13:11:27]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: so to record and watch tv at the same time I would need 2 tv tuner cards and even if I got the pvr500 I would need to loop from the main card to an expansion slot addon?

[13:11:37]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: if you're using the external audio/video inputs of the pvr500 card, and only them, the model of tuner on the board won't matter

[13:12:12]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: not at all. you can watch & record the same thing with just one capture card

[13:12:44]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: so what do you guys think of the pvr150 then?

[13:12:50]

Juski:

if you're recording from a set top box and you want to watch something else, then you need another set top box, unless you want to watch something you already recorded

[13:13:02]

Juski:

pvr150 is just half a pvr500

[13:13:29]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: half in the sense that it has one tuner and not 2?

[13:13:31]

Juski:

I love mine to bits

[13:13:46]

Juski:

pvr 150 == one tuner, one mpeg encoder, one set of AV inputs

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Zider:

dammit, I hate it when some wanker hacks a web site I need to check.. :P

[13:13:53]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: you have a pvr150?

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plb:

Juski: so you need a reciever? Is that that the thing that comes with the pvr-150?

[13:14:17]

Juski:

pvr500 == 2 tuners, 2 mpeg encoders and 1 set of av inputs on the card, the 2nd being provided on the expansion bracket

[13:14:41]

** Juski does indeed own a pvr150 and uses it all the time **

[13:14:52]

Juski:

plb: you need an IR blaster

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jharrisonwk:

you need 2 tuners to record one channel and watch some other channel right?

[13:15:02]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: yup

[13:15:05]

jharrisonwk:

hhmmm

[13:15:08]

jharrisonwk:

choices choices

[13:15:14]

Juski:

or just stop watching livetv

[13:15:22]

Juski:

I have 3 tuners & still never watch livetv

[13:15:47]

jharrisonwk:

so you could stop watching livetv and record one channel and watch another?

[13:16:05]

Juski:

it's not that abstaining from livetv makes me any more superior or anything – I'm just free from being a slave to TV schedules

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Juski:

plb: depends. some pvr150 cards come in a package with the capture card, remote control, receiver and IR blaster

[13:17:08]

plb:

hrm

[13:17:18]

Juski:

the price tends to give away the one you need (i.e. it's the most expensive)

[13:17:39]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: without livetv you can record one channel and watch another?

[13:17:59]

plb:

Juski: mine came with a the remote capture card and some wire that has 2 leads coming from the back

[13:18:06]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: livetv is the act of watching a channel

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: I see

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Juski:

right here goes

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Zider:

streaming the tv to your eyes in realtime ;)

[13:18:44]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: so you dont watch livetv you just watch the shows you record

[13:18:47]

Juski:

with one tuner: you can watch TV and record what you're watching

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jharrisonwk:

hehe

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Juski:

with 2 tuners: you can record something and watch something else at the same time while recording it, or you can just record 2 things at the same time...

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plb:

Juski: the at the end of one of the wires is a red bulb type a thing and on the other is a grey box type thing with a little window

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Juski:

plb: sounds like you got the IR blaster kit

[13:19:49]

plb:

eh?

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plb:

nice

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Juski:

one of the things will be a receiver for IR, one will be the transmitter (the bit that does the 'zapping' of your cable/whatever box)

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Juski:

to find out which is which, I suggest you RTFM ;-)

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plb:

heh

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Juski:

I'd tell you if I knew – honest

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Juski:

jharrisonwk: actually – even live tv in mythtv is being recorded

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plb:

yep

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Juski:

that's how you get to rewind & pause etc

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plb:

I just looked on the box says it comes with a blaster

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plb:

now to find a good howto

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Juski:

plb: check out the wiki first

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Juski:

then jarod wilson's guide

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Juski:

I'd be amazed if Jarod's guide doesn't mention it

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: yes I know. that is how you can record, pause, fast forward etc...

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plb:

Juski: gotta link to jarods guide?

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Juski:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ – you lazy, lazy arse ;-)

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plb:

;]

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Zider:

is WinTV PVR-150 the same as just a PVR-150?

[13:24:01]

** Juski shoots himself in the head **

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laga:

Juski: if you'd care about me/my sanity, you'd shot me first

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Juski:

lol

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coffee88:

hey juski, how's your skin updating going? (heh heh heh...)

[13:25:25]

Juski:

see?? this fucking WinTV shit... does that mean it doesn't work in Linux? huh? huh????

[13:25:45]

Juski:

no! a pvr-150 is a pvr-150 is a pvr-150 (etc)

[13:25:57]

Juski:

... if it's made by Hauppauge

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: just audio is on the extra bracket for the pvr500?

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Zider:

Juski: well, a store nearby sells WinTV PVR-150 AND PVR-150 at different pricings

[13:26:30]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: no you get all the video connections too last time I looked

[13:26:43]

Juski:

Zider: as I said earlier it comes in different packages

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Zider:

ah

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: so you have to loop video and audio from the card to the bracket?

[13:27:06]

Juski:

the one I bought I got a card & driver CD.. that's the cheapest option

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Juski:

jharrisonwk: no it plugs into the card with a ribbon cable they provide

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Zider:

I need a remote as well.. but the bloody webpage doesn't say what's in the box.. :P

[13:27:52]

Juski:

Zider: if the info they provide is that scant, go somewhere else

[13:28:16]

Juski:

the mid-price one comes with a hauppauage remote & IR receiver I think

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: so you have to have 2 cable links 1 for each input?

[13:28:31]

Zider:

Juski: I probably will.. but it's so close and convenient! ;)

[13:28:45]

jharrisonwk:

Zider: if you look on amazon or something it should say if it comes with the remote and transmitter etc...?

[13:28:51]

jharrisonwk:

Zider: at least it does for me

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Juski:

Zider: if they don't let you look in the box before buying it, sack them

[13:29:13]

Zider:

Juski: I was looking at the web page.. it's not open today..

[13:29:29]

Juski:

jharrisonwk: no – one set of AV inputs are already on the card, right? the second set of AV inputs are provided on the expander bracket

[13:30:07]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: right but how would I connect to the bracket? from the svideo out or something?

[13:30:19]

Zider:

jharrisonwk: I wasn't looking at amazon.. and I probably won't either, there are cheaper places in sweden if I wanna order on the net.. I just hoped I could buy it locally.. :)

[13:31:02]

Juski:

e.g. on the pvr500 card itself – it has 2 tuners & 2 mpeg encoders – to use those you just plug an aerial into the card. you can also use composite or svid AND audio, but that is only for one of the onboard encoders. to use the 2nd encoder with composite/svid & audio you need the expansion bracket

[13:32:04]

Juski:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr500mce.html

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Juski:

and if you care to look here: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/..%5C. . . . set_rev3.pdf

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: will the pvr cards with with digital cable boxes?

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Juski:

yes they will

[13:38:02]

Juski:

my pvr150 card is connected to a digital cable box via a very long set of cables

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: just wondering cause it says 125 channels and with my digital cable I have like channels that go up to 999 or so

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Juski:

channels don't matter

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jharrisonwk:

ok

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Juski:

not when you're using the AV inputs of the card

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Juski:

mythtv will deal with changing the channels on the cable box

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: I can use the system audio as well right? Like bypass the pvr card and use soundblaster or something?

[13:39:18]

Juski:

assuming you set up LIRC to do that

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

that's the one snag with the pvr cards – they have no digital audio inputs

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jharrisonwk:

hhmmm

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Juski:

and you have to record audio with the pvr card – you can't just take audio from another sound device

[13:40:51]

Juski:

that's because the mpeg encoders on the cards encode the video and audio at the same time

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jharrisonwk:

ok so I need 1.25 audio jacks as well to go into the pvr card

[13:41:44]

jharrisonwk:

looks like there are no component connectors

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Juski:

the only way to record with digital audio from a set top box is to use software encoding and a soundcard. so what you gain in sound quality (which to be honest won't be much) you lose in picture wuality

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jharrisonwk:

I see

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Juski:

1.25 audio jacks? wth are they?

[13:42:31]

jharrisonwk:

Juski: the line in on the pvr card

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: it looks like an headset jack

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Juski:

the pvr cards have svideo connections on 4-pin miniDIN, then RCA jacks for audio & composite video

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jharrisonwk:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html#

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jharrisonwk:

I dont see RCA audio jacks on this card

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Juski:

ah some cards have minijacks.. 3.5mm (1/8") stereo

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blacksky:

can anyone help me setup up my wintv 350 card? It just gives me a black output at the moment

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jharrisonwk:

sorry I meant 1/8th

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Juski:

what's with everyone calling them wintv today?

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laga:

it was the same yester, day

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jharrisonwk:

I stopped that when I saw how upset CERTAIN people got

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laga:

err. yesterday, too

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jharrisonwk:

:-P

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Juski:

I feel like saying "go fuck yourself & install MCE"

[13:45:46]

jharrisonwk:

come now

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Juski:

but I don't cos I'm trying hard to be nice

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jharrisonwk:

MCE == microsoft certifed excriment

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laga:

do you spell it "excriment"?

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jharrisonwk:

um maybe let me check

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Juski:

or excrement.. I can be a spelling fascist too

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jharrisonwk:

that might be it

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jharrisonwk:

I am from the bahamas

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laga:

heh. yeah, i wonder how people feel about getting their english corrected by some german smart-ass ;)

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jharrisonwk:

here we have unique rules of english

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jharrisonwk:

and usually we dont give a crap what anyone thinks of it

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laga:

uh, well, it's not really English then ;)

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Juski:

you know the think i h8 about sum forums is that no fucker uses capitol letterz or puntuation and they cant spell so your like tryeing to read like a whole page of one sentance and every errur makes your piss boil even more + more it's like whoah thats not how u yuse their in that context you asswipe

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Juski:

you're from the bahamas? maybe I'm just resentful that I still live in the UK where it rains wayyy too much. maybe that's what makes me such a grumpy bastard ;-)

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jharrisonwk:

no they call it patwa

[13:50:52]

jharrisonwk:

yes from bahamas

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jharrisonwk:

sun, sand and sea

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jharrisonwk:

or ocean really

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jharrisonwk:

I wonder how mythtv will do tv guide things on my cable service

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Juski:

is there an xmltv grabber for the bahamas?

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jharrisonwk:

not sure

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Juski:

maybe zap2it...

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jharrisonwk:

dont know what an xmltv grabber is

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jharrisonwk:

we have tv guide

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blacksky:

(whittering on in the hope that someone listens...) I don't get any errors loading the ivtv module, but when I do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and play it back I just get a blank video

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jharrisonwk:

but not for digital I think

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Juski:

blacksky: maybe you've not selected the right input or something. this isn't the ivtv help channel

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blacksky:

Juski: I know, but there doesn't seem to be an ivtv, and since lots of people use 350s with mythtv, I thought this might be a good place to ask

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laga:

blacksky: you've prolly selected the wrong input

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Juski:

oo look at the 1st hit in google for "ivtv cat mpg black screen" : http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html

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Juski:

http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html#_jump12

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blacksky:

yeah, I suspect I'm not understanding how to switch input properly

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Juski:

try using the ivtvctl command

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Juski:

on its own – that'll list all its options

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Juski:

if you don't understand what you see when you do that you shouldn't be setting out to use mythtv

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Juski:

not yet at least

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Juski:

laga: see you later. I can't take any more of this

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laga:

Juski: i feel with you.

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blacksky:

ok, so ivtvctl -n tells me that input 0 is my tuner

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blacksky:

so if I do ivtvctl -p 0 to select my tuner, then cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg i get....

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blacksky:

a black screen :)

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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fozi:

good afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

see you've been busy :)

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blacksky:

yay, got a picture. Thanks for your help Juski :/

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fozi:

yeah, want to port the active scanner to the eit-branch

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jharrisonwk:

Win TV

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** jharrisonwk chuckles **

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Jelte41:

Hiya... I have myth running just fine, except that I have to start the backend manually... using /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend script to start the backend gives me an error (mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed)

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Jelte41:

are people here running mythbackend as root? or as the mythtv user? as root would it get a higher prio? is there a security risk though?

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Jelte41:

or should it be run as the user nobody ?

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jams:

I run it as root

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jams:

security risk is low, unless your on a untrusted lan

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Jelte41:

jams, do you run it from the init scripts (i'm using debian)

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jams:

yes I do

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jams:

not using debian though

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Jelte41:

my problem seems to be that running it from the etc/init.d doesn't run it as root... thus it can not read the nfs lock file (which is owned by root)

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jharrisonwk:

debian is sweet

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jams:

if you dont run as root then you need to make sure the permissions on your media dir and devices are correct.

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Jelte41:

nah, I want to run it as root... just haven't figured out how to get the script to do just that

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Jelte41:

bingo... that did it :-)

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sapbeast:

mine runs as the mythtv user fine

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Zider:

I run it as mythtv user..

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jharrisonwk:

whats mythtv coded in?

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Zider:

I would guess C++ like many other linux apps

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Coume:

afternoon

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jharrisonwk:

yes it appears so as it must be compiled

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fozi:

Zider: most linux/unix apps are in plain C

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mishehu:

mythtv is c++

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mishehu:

based on the qt package.

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Zider:

fozi: most I have looked at has been C++ tho..

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jharrisonwk:

most linux apps are C

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jharrisonwk:

a lot are c++ though

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plb:

argh cannot get lirc to work though it appears everything loads correctly according to dmesg...irw does nothing when click remote buttons

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Zider:

jharrisonwk: just like I said :)

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Juski:

mythtv uses a lot of Qt libraries – I wouldn't think it's fair to say it's all based on qt

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Juski:

plb: try in #lirc

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plb:

like 3 or 4 people

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jharrisonwk:

Zider: the number of programs written in C probably far outnumbers the ones in c++

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Juski:

though it might load correctly, have you got a lircd.conf file for your remote? and is lircd looking at the right device?

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Juski:

anyway – the great thing about linux is none of it is written in VB or .NET :-D

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jharrisonwk:

hehe

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plb:

yeah I grabbed the lircd.conf for pvr-150

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jharrisonwk:

Juski: agreed

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plb:

and I have /dev/lirc0

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Zider:

jharrisonwk: I wouldn't say "far", but yes most are probably C

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Juski:

enough semantics already

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Zider:

jharrisonwk: "many" however are C++

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Juski:

plb: try cat /dev/lirc0 and press remote buttons

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plb:

ok lemme try

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Juski:

if you get garbage when you press the buttons, it's the right device

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Juski:

so it's the wrong device, or else the lirc module is borked somehow or misconfigured

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Juski:

try ls -l /dev |grep lirc

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plb:

hm

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plb:

ok

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plb:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 2006-05–01 11:16 lirc

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plb:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2006-05–01 10:56 lirc0

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plb:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2006-05–01 11:10 lircd

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Juski:

good so far

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Juski:

oh wait a minute

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Juski:

try cat /dev/lirc then press remote buttons

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plb:

ok

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plb:

nothing

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Juski:

ah well

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Juski:

which lirc module have you loaded?

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plb:

lirc_dev lirc_pvr150

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jharrisonwk:

Zider: freshmeat lists 8000+ C projects and 4000+ C++ projects

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plb:

I used this howto http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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Juski:

stupid question time: is the IR receiver plugged into the card?

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plb:

heh ya

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sapbeast:

is it the pvr-150 specific remote or the mce one (i just dealt with this yesterday)

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plb:

to the IR jack

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plb:

its hauppauge one that comes with the pvr-150

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sapbeast:

you should see something with dmesg about finding the reciever

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plb:

I grep lirc and it seems to find that what should I grep for reciever?

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sapbeast:

lirc_mceusb2[6]: SMK eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb2:6

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sapbeast:

usbcore: registered new driver lirc_mceusb2

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sapbeast:

thats what i got on mine

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Juski:

USB?

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sapbeast:

you should see something where lirc_pvr150 (something)

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Juski:

that's a whole different ballgame

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plb:

lirc_pvr150: chip found with RX and TX

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plb:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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plb:

lirc_pvr150: firmware of size 248009 loaded

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plb:

lirc_pvr150: 637 codesets loaded

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plb:

lirc_pvr150: Hauppauge PVR-150 IR blaster: firmware version 1.3.0

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Coume:

hiya juski :)

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sapbeast:

well it sees it yes

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Juski:

hiya Coume. you got to the bottom of why the frontend was crashola?

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plb:

I got lircd.conf from the site juski recommended http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

if you get nothing by catting the device then it wouldn't be the lircd.conf to blame anyway

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plb:

hmm

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Coume:

Juski, to tell the truth, I had to go by attempt... unmerge mythvideo, then mythdvd, then mythmusic. Was then able to start again... and then remerged the 3 in reverse oder and it is working...

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Juski:

Coume: weirdness

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jams:

starting lircd with -n might help find the problem

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plb:

ok

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jams:

at least then you could see any errors or other messages

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Coume:

Juski, yeah like now, I'm trying to find out where get copied/saved the transcoded DVD :? they seem to transcode well but then disappear. I remember reading some stuff about that, need to google to find the answer now...

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plb:

Juski: well starting it that way gives me no erros

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plb:

errors

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plb:

lircd: lircd(hauppauge_pvr150) ready

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Juski:

Coume: I know of a forum you can try :-P

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sapbeast:

speaking of transcode i have yet to get mtd to run as non-root without complaining about file locations

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Coume:

Juski, eheh :)

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Juski:

well it's time to don those gloves & get on with some work again

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Juski:

bbl

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plb:

when I run irw I get lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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sapbeast:

does it close right away though... like if you rin irw

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plb:

no

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plb:

when I cntl-c its says lircd: removed client

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sapbeast:

it has to be your lircd.conf then, cos when you run irw you should see buttons being pushed (as in, it doesnt recognize codes)

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plb:

hrm

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plb:

anyone happen to have pvr-150 =)

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plb:

lircd.conf

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sapbeast:

i do but my remote is the mce usb one

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plb:

ah

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sapbeast:

there are two models, one has the hauppauge remote with the ir port on the card, the other just comes with the usb irblaster

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sapbeast:

and has like extra video in stuff

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plb:

says its for pvr150 silver model remote which is what I have

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sapbeast:

there is a program with lirc to "learn" unknown remotes, forget what its called... but you should not have to do that

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plb:

did you have to add any aliases?

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plb:

or just load the modules in /etc/modules?

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sapbeast:

nein... i just loaded them using modprobe

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plb:

hm ok

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plb:

brb gonna try something

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plb:

hrm strange

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plb:

I took out the alias I have and when I run lircd -n and then irw in a seperate terminal I get:

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plb:

lircd: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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plb:

lircd: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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plb:

lircd: default_init(): No such file or directory

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plb:

lircd: caught signal

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plb:

Terminated

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sapbeast:

ok thats what i used to get... when i was using the wrong driver

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sapbeast:

it means it cant find /dev/lirc0 or whatever

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plb:

hmm

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plb:

lirc0 is there

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sapbeast:

i *think* normally /dev/lirc is the same as /dev/lirc0

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sapbeast:

maybe you need to tell it to specify /dev/lirc0 and not /dev/lirc

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jams:

only if the two are a link

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plb:

well doing this lircd -n --device=/dev/lirc0

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plb:

doesn't crash it but still no output from irw

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sapbeast:

ok try /dev/lirc/0

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plb:

crashed

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plb:

after running irw

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sapbeast:

ok so its /dev/lirc0 for you, but your config still isnt right

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plb:

hmm I've tried like 3 different config files

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plb:

yesssss

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plb:

its working!

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plb:

finally!

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plb:

sapbeast: what do you gotta do put the transmitter over top of the IR on the cable box?

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imperfect-:

What's the cheapest non-hardware TV card I can geT?

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imperfect-:

Does ATI TV Wonder Pro work with MythTV?

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plb:

eh how long does it normally take mythfilldatabase to finish?

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mlehrer:

a minute or two

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plb:

ok

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Chacabaou:

Hello.

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Chacabaou:

Do you have some estimate how dangerous it would be (regarding DB schemas) to downgrade from current svn to 0.19-fixes? (surely, I do have backups. but you never know, if there a hidden faults)

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plb:

does mythfilldatabase shutdown by itself?

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Chacabaou:

*there are

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xris:

Chacabaou: your database will likely need to be rebuilt from scratch

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plb:

hrm if I only have 1 tuner card shouldn't capture card be tuner0 rather then tuner1? seems to be what most howtos say

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Chacabaou:

xris: But it heavily depends on _which_ changes have been made exactly, right?

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Chacabaou:

xris: I mean...maybe I could reverse the changes manually, if it wouldn't be too much.

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Juski:

eeks... is that the time already?!

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plb:

hrm ok tv is working

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plb:

now to get this remote working with myth

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Juski:

time flies when you're doing DIY.. the traditional bank holiday pasttime for brits

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plb:

Juski: got the remote working finally!

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plb:

just trying to get it setup with myth

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Juski:

plb: yeh I saw

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Juski:

what was it?

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plb:

I think the cable was loose in the back

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

what did I ask you?

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plb:

well it was in...I thought!

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plb:

it wasn't in by like a milimeter

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plb:

;]

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plb:

so if the remote is setup is there anything special to do to get it working with myth

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** Juski thinks of an analogy to use here... a clean one... **

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plb:

haha

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Juski:

plb: just copy the right lircrc file to ~/.mythtv/

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Juski:

and make sure it's called lircrc, not .lircrc

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plb:

lircrc?

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plb:

where can I find the correct one

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Juski:

lircrc is the file which tells mythtv which buttons do what

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Juski:

plb: depends which remote you have. this is where people have the most problems

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plb:

isn't that what lircd.conf did?

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Juski:

no, that just defines the buttons

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plb:

hm

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Juski:

it doesn't tie buttons to the application

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plb:

any good default ones floating around online?

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Juski:

run irw and press every button on the remote.. make notes if you have to

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Juski:

then look around for lircrc files for a one where all the button names match up

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Juski:

plb: there are loads on the internet

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plb:

ok

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Juski:

AFAIK there are only 2 or so hauppauge remotes, so it shouldn't be hard to track down

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sapbeast:

plb: sorry i was afk im at work

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Juski:

if some buttons work but not others, then something is up with the lircrc file in ~/.mythtv

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sapbeast:

and i havent tried to get the irblaster portion of my usb reciever to work yet (i dont know how to set it up)

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plb:

sapbeast: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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plb:

I found that which talks about irblaster

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plb:

I gotta get the lircrc

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plb:

first

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imperfect-:

http://www.mulletjunky.com/femullets.htm

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imperfect-:

ph33r

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mlehrer:

Juski: do you live in britain?

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mlehrer:

i just saw your comment from a few minutes ago

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Juski:

mlehrer: yup

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mlehrer:

cool. what kind of signal do you get for wimbledon

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Juski:

standard def.

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mlehrer:

doh

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Juski:

only $ky is offerring HDTV in the UK right now, and you can't use it with mythtv. Not at all. Not even slightly

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plb:

hm wonder if this one will work http://www.nerdylorrin.net/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=XineLircrc

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Juski:

the BBC is running a trial of HDTV on terrestrial in time for the world cup, but only in London

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mlehrer:

i wish we could get sky over here

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plb:

er xine

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Juski:

wimbledon will be on there too I suspect

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mlehrer:

tennis coverage in the us sucks

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Juski:

it sucks here too – fucks up the rest of the schedules like nobody's business.. grrrr

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mlehrer:

heh. that is a minus with the scoring system

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Juski:

you get four hours of 40–40

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Juski:

deuce my arse

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Juski:

:-P

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mlehrer:

heh

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mlehrer:

is also means that fans with tivo lose a lot of endings

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Juski:

live8 last year started a whole 6 (six!) hours late here

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Juski:

one of the showings did anyway

[16:48:05]

Juski:

and the BBC are well known for bumping popular shows for sport – much to the annoyance of non-sports fans like me

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imperfect-:

Anyone know if ATI TV Wonder PRO is worth 60$

[16:48:10]

Exstatica:

i just upgraded my mythtv from atrpms and now my backend crashes all the time during recordings. The error i get is "TFW: safe_write(): funky usleep"

[16:48:20]

Juski:

imperfect: $0 maybe

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imperfect-:

Juski: Not worth it for an extra tuner?

[16:49:02]

Juski:

imperfect: sure, if you want to use crappy software encoding

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imperfect-:

Anyone know why when using latest svn of fixes, I get constant "rebuffering" messages ?

[16:49:11]

Juski:

I wouldn't pay that for it though

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mlehrer:

does france have any sort of high def

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Juski:

mlehrer: yup

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Juski:

and it's mpeg4 (h.264)

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mlehrer:

cool, wonder if roland garros will get that

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Juski:

good luck decoding that on a 2.5Ghz machine

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imperfect-:

What's so crappy about software encoding?

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mlehrer:

Juski: x2 3800

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mlehrer:

pretty much a necessity if you use myth & hdtv

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Juski:

imperfect-: it's just crap compared to hardware encoding. I tried it once just to see what it was like & it looked like VHS compared to the pvr150

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imperfect-:

Ah

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imperfect-:

I see.

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imperfect-:

I was just hoping to do something

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ru_:

Can anyone offer me some advice: http://pastebin.com/692571

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imperfect-:

cuz my pvr150 a. gets all the rebuffering messages

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Juski:

mpeg4 looks more like VCD than VHS

[16:51:08]

imperfect-:

and i can't watch tv over the wireless

[16:51:13]

imperfect-:

it's jittery and pauses and is just crap

[16:51:26]

Juski:

that'd be wireless networking for ya...

[16:52:15]

Juski:

even G isn't fast enough sometimes – depends on all kinds of things. It'd be ok if you lived out in the sticks where nobody else has it, and there are no cellphone masts etc

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imperfect-:

Oh yeah?

[16:53:08]

imperfect-:

Nothing I can do to make it better, eh?

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Juski:

get a length of cat5e cable – that'd make it better

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imperfect-:

Well.

[16:53:40]

imperfect-:

I did that

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imperfect-:

Still can't do it ;)

[16:53:53]

imperfect-:

I mean when watching TV

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imperfect-:

I get rebuffering messages ever second

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imperfect-:

(unless i pause for a few seconds, then they stop)

[16:54:12]

imperfect-:

something just doesn't seem right to me.

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Juski:

I'd search the dev mailing list if I were you

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

is there nothing I can do make the ATI card not suck?

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Juski:

nope

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jvs:

anybody here using a terratec 5.1 pci?

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imperfect-:

I've got some old ATI cards that don't seem to be support anymore

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kormoc:

imperfect-, you can buy ati and get the driver team to do it right

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Juski:

software encoding is better than nothing, but only just :-P

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imperfect-:

?

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Juski:

as for their new 'ATI theater' (sic) chips... pheeeee-eeew

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ru_:

Can anyone offer me some advice on this pls, I am completely lost: http://pastebin.com/692579

[16:56:17]

Juski:

no linux support for the new ati chips to speak of yet.. and I doubt there ever will be either

[16:56:43]

Juski:

ru_: someone hasn't got the right tools installed

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plb:

anyone got a good howto for setting up the blaster so I can control my cable box through myth?

[16:57:33]

Juski:

ru_: sudo apt-get build-essential (or something like that)

[16:57:46]

ru_:

Tried that Juski

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ru_:

:(

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Juski:

and?

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ru_:

"build-essential is already the newest version.

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ru_:

"

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Juski:

what distro? I'm guessing ubuntu

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ru_:

yeah

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Juski:

I had the same problem but I can't remember what the other packages were

[16:58:49]

Juski:

there's a list somewhere

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ru_:

had this problem before, and a friend helped me sort it out, now i had to re-install and i dont know what he did

[16:58:58]

ru_:

and i cant get hold of him :(

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Juski:

ru_: try here: http://www.ubuntu-mythtv.blogspot.com/

[17:00:06]

ru_:

kk

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: You ever hear of a COAX -> ethernet -> COAX set of adapters? Something liek what you did up for your composite/svideo feed

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imperfect-:

So what's the cheapest hardware card I can buy for an extra tuner?

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kormoc:

pvr 150

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imperfect-:

Yeah?

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imperfect-:

63$ from newegg

[17:07:07]

imperfect-:

That the best I'm gonna do?

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kormoc:

yeah, very likely

[17:07:20]

plb:

anyone use time warner cable with myth?

[17:07:23]

kormoc:

or spend the extra for a pvr 500 and get two extra tuners

[17:07:48]

ru_:

Juski, could the version of my kernel be no good?

[17:07:53]

port7:

anyone got tv-out on a pvr350 with ubuntu breezy?

[17:11:36]

plb:

argh all I have left to do is get irblaster working

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robthebob:

ru_, is your toolchain ok?

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ru_:

whats a toolchain hey?

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traxmac:

I asked this earlier, cannot find the specs anywhere, anyone here know what the length of the pvr 500 is

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kormoc:

traxmac, you might want to just email hauppauge

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traxmac:

I can do that, I'll find it one way or another

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jams:

traxmac- should have that for you in a moment

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jams:

any other stuff you want to know?

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traxmac:

thats all, just need to know if it will fit in my box

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jams:

biab

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traxmac:

cheers

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xris:

traxmac: it's a standard-length card

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xris:

full height

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xris:

nevermind, it's longer than I thought

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traxmac:

how long is that in cm – 17?

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xris:

more than that.. look at the pic: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628

[17:21:40]

jams:

from the inside of the bracket ot the end of the card 7 1/2 inches

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traxmac:

only 7 /12, thats not bad

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kormoc:

traxmac, no, 7.5 inches

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traxmac:

that will fit for me

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traxmac:

sorry typo 7 1/2

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kormoc:

heh, kk

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** kormoc ponders **

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jams:

it is a full height card

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kormoc:

I donno if that will fit in my shuttle or not

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traxmac:

should fit in my cubit

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traxmac:

its gonna be a tight fit none the less

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plb:

can anyone explain how exactly you get irblaster to control cable box? I found a list of codes but how do you test them?

[17:26:43]

plb:

hm

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plb:

nm

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plb:

think i found a good howto

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xris:

plb: you test them by, well, testing them...

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jams:

irsend and point the transmitter at the cablebox

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port7:

are there any ubuntu binarys for ivtvdev?

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jharrisonwk:

does hauppauge have a list of codes or set top boxes it will work with?

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jharrisonwk:

cant seem to find anything on their site

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jharrisonwk:

nevermind I found it

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Niklas__E:

if I run tvtime I got sound but if I run mythtv I don't get any sound, what can it be?

[17:33:33]

kormoc:

you didn't follow the mythtv sound setup instructions?

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Niklas__E:

sound setup instrutions?

[17:34:28]

kormoc:

Yeah, in the documentation, under setting up the sound

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Niklas__E:

hmm, lets check it out ;)

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jharrisonwk:

kernel recompile time

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plb:

so if I know the code to the box where would I put it?

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sapbeast:

imperfect-: i have hardware encoding now and I still get rebuffering messages consantly

[17:45:12]

sapbeast:

mythbackend using 0.1% cpu even

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jharrisonwk:

well I found a list of supported set top boxes but not codes

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imperfect-:

sapbeast : yeah me too ;(

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plb:

jharrisonwk: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/IRcodesets.html

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plb:

trying to figure that out

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sapbeast:

im not sure exactly what is the cause, but if i rewind live tv by a few seconds the rebuffering messages disappear

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sapbeast:

so my guess is by default its too aggressive on following the livetv stream

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jharrisonwk:

sweet

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plb:

jharrisonwk: tell me if you find out where to put the codes =) this is all I have left to do!

[17:51:22]

jharrisonwk:

plb: I have not built my pvr yet

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jharrisonwk:

plb: I am in the market so to speak

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jharrisonwk:

plb: in the planning stages

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plb:

ah well does anyone know where to put the codes?

[17:52:32]

jams:

plb, depends. if your using the same instance of lirc then the remote codes go into lircd.conf

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plb:

jams: do you have an example of what its supposed to look like?

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jams:

if your not using the same instance of lirc then the codes go into some other file

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jams:

one moment

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plb:

I'm only using 1 instance

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plb:

cool thanks

[17:53:21]

Dibblah:

Anyone any suggestions on creating a svn patch to add a directory / remove a directory?

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sapbeast:

i think he means you can run more than one instance and use seperate config files for each

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jams:

plb http://jmeyer.us/myth/

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plb:

thanks

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jams:

that is my lircd.conf file for one instance of lircd that transmits and receives

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imperfect-:

so

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imperfect-:

What haas to happen for me to automagically transcode a file from straight mpeg2 -> mpeg4 and then out of the nupple container?

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jams:

for testing I use irsend SEND_ONCE $remotename $channel

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plb:

jams: what kind of cable box is that for?

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jams:

SA3250

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plb:

is that time warner cable?

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jams:

for example I wouls use irsend SEND_ONCE SA3250 4

[17:58:58]

jams:

yes it's time warner

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plb:

wonder if it will work for my pvr-150

[17:59:16]

sapbeast:

scientific atlanta hehe

[17:59:16]

plb:

i got time warner also

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jams:

biab conf call time

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sapbeast:

imperfect-: well on mine i leave it as mpeg-2, but you can set it to automatically transcode in recording profiles... it goes to mpeg4 in the .nuv format but thats just the container

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plb:

is there a way to automatically generate that file?

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imperfect-:

Right

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imperfect-:

I want to export

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sapbeast:

as... avi?

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sapbeast:

automatically i have no idea, but manually using something like virtualdub and avisynth it would be possible...

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plb:

Hrm I'm using this from a howto http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf

[18:07:32]

plb:

which works

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plb:

for the remote

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plb:

and then used the send_power_now script from that same site http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?m=200601

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plb:

and the ir blinks but I have no clue where to go from there

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laga:

re.

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laga:

ok guys. i'm currently trying to setup my channels with mythfilldatabase --manual. it insers the channels into the database, but *without* the xmltvid. i've verified this by running mythfilldatabase --manual -v database. the xmltv looks good, i've tried it using two different grabbers. has anyone ever seen this?

[18:25:17]

plb:

jams: you still there?

[18:27:56]

plb:

hmm I found the code for my box and put them in but when I change the channel for example it changes the tuner card channel

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plb:

rather then cable box channel

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xris:

plb: you need to have a channel-change script configured for that card

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plb:

ah

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imperfect-:

Anyone got any ideas how I would get nuxexport to automatically run on all the xvid's in my directory?

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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plb:

xris: know where I can get one?

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kormoc:

imperfect-, nuvexport doesn't run on exported vids, it runs on the ones in myth

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imperfect-:

kormoc : well, I'm using myth trascode to convert to mpeg4, but it's all in .nuv — i'd like to get it to .avi ;)

[18:33:04]

imperfect-:

kormoc : that's all I want ;0

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kormoc:

imperfect-, so don't use mythtranscode, use nuvexport...

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laga:

imperfect-: beirdo's nuv2avi?

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kormoc:

imperfect-, nuvexport runs mythtranscode

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xris:

imperfect-: mythtranscode is not for exporting

[18:35:03]

Dibblah:

Mmmm... SVN DVB-t scan is _really_ slick.

[18:35:21]

hashbang:

Dibblah: what's new?

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imperfect-:

Oh

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imperfect-:

So I shouldn't be using it to auto-transcode after a recording?

[18:35:48]

Dibblah:

hashbang: Country specific semi-blind-scans.

[18:35:49]

xris:

imperfect-: no. that's how you're getting the nupplevideo files

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kormoc:

imperfect-, sure, but that's not exporting, that's still inside myth

[18:35:58]

imperfect-:

I guess I should continue using it if i intend to use myth to navigate the files

[18:36:12]

imperfect-:

kormoc: well i'm concerned mostly about file size.

[18:36:14]

xris:

imperfect-: not necessarily.

[18:36:21]

xris:

cut the commercials and transcode manually

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sapbeast:

imperfect-: just a minor suggestion, the dsmyth filter for windows works fairly well... i have no issues watching the exported videos as such.

[18:36:41]

xris:

with mythtranscode if you want... either lossless mpeg2 cutting, or straight to mpeg4 nupplevideo

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imperfect-:

Yeah, that's what I'm doing

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xris:

personally, I find that the mpeg2 video from pvr-x50 cards is better-looking at the same bitrate than the mpg4 stuff

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imperfect-:

straight to mpeg4

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kormoc:

software card?

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imperfect-:

I'm not too concerned with how it looks

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xris:

imperfect-: right. but cut the commercials out first

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imperfect-:

Right it commflags

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imperfect-:

then transcodes

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xris:

flag != cut

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imperfect-:

O

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imperfect-:

Oh

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imperfect-:

I guess I don't know how to cut yet

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xris:

hit E while watching a show

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sapbeast:

ther commecials are still there, but mythtv remembers where they are so when your watching them in myth you can hit the z key and skip them

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xris:

then Z to turn the flag list into a cutlist

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xris:

then adjust the cutlist because the flagging is only 80–90% accurate

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kormoc:

imperfect-, so drop the bitrate, that will also drop file size. I was doing 900 kbit/sec rate and that's about 400 megabytes per hour

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imperfect-:

xris: well how about something I've recorded?

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xris:

imperfect-: show == recording

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kormoc:

imperfect-, but keep in mind, it will suck quality wise

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imperfect-:

xris: hitting E while watching a recorded show will do what?

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sapbeast:

you can get away with 900k if you use HQ and its ipod sized video (320x240)

[18:38:53]

xris:

imperfect-: brings up the editor

[18:39:06]

imperfect-:

Okay, so if I'm auto-commflagging

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kormoc:

sapbeast, that was direct from the card, not exporting

[18:39:15]

imperfect-:

when i watch the video I can E -> Z and it'll skip commericals?

[18:39:57]

imperfect-:

that's fairly sweet

[18:40:12]

imperfect-:

I've only been using myth sucecssful since last thursday so I'm still figuring out what it can do

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plb:

irsend: not enough arguments

[18:40:16]

xris:

or just press Z while watching and it'll skip that one commercial

[18:40:18]

plb:

anyone know how to fix this?

[18:40:20]

sapbeast:

well if your just watching hit z when you hit a commercial

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imperfect-:

I'm about to drop buy circuit city on the way home and pick up another 150

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xris:

plb: irsend --help

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plb:

irsend: could not connect to socket

[18:41:10]

plb:

irsend: Connection refused

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sapbeast:

did your ircd die

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plb:

nope

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xris:

I need to stop eating these evil spicy peanuts

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laga:

xris: heartburn? ;)

[18:43:53]

xris:

no, just calories

[18:43:59]

xris:

spoiling my lunch

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laga:

xris: bah. ok, spoiling lunch is baaad :/

[18:44:24]

xris:

peanuts with dried lime leaves and thai chiles

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xris:

the peanuts are pretty good, but when you hit one of those dried peppers, WOW... and I can handle a fair amount of heat.

[18:45:22]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, they are a bit spicy :)

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imperfect-:

Anyone know of a decent frontend compiled for intel os x?

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Zider:

is intel os-x even released yet?

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kormoc:

Zider, only around a year or so

[18:47:09]

Zider:

I thought it was only leaked some pre-beta-stuff

[18:47:11]

sapbeast:

january

[18:47:28]

kormoc:

Zider, no, the dev boxes are almost a year old

[18:47:31]

xris:

Zider: well, considering that the systems have been for sale for several months...

[18:47:55]

sapbeast:

i hope you dont mean osx on windows computers Zider

[18:48:21]

Zider:

sapbeast: I dunno.. apple stuff is apple stuff..

[18:48:52]

Zider:

an apple is an apple is an apple ;)

[18:49:17]

plb:

anyone know how to fix this irsend: could not connect to socket problem?

[18:49:19]

imperfect-:

apple stuff is sweet ;)

[18:49:26]

jharrisonwk:

think they will have a digital tv tuner card that will be able to decyrpt the encrypted signal at some point?

[18:49:26]

Zider:

apple stuff stinks imo

[18:49:39]

sapbeast:

i only have windows and linux at my house... and i can tell you i have not been able to get winmyth as a frontend to work (yet)

[18:49:53]

jharrisonwk:

winmyth?

[18:50:09]

jharrisonwk:

thats going too far

[18:50:38]

xris:

sapbeast: you won't... it's a POS and hasn't been updated in ages.

[18:50:58]

kormoc:

sapbeast, it only works for mythtv 0.17 iirc

[18:51:31]

sapbeast:

well at least i know im not crazy then... i wont miss it either i have my storage directory on a samba share and mythds works ok

[18:51:36]

sapbeast:

i can handle watching videos manually that way :p

[18:52:10]

kormoc:

sapbeast, look up mythrename.pl, it's a script that sets up links to the video files in more friendly names, so you'll be able to tell what files are what a lot easier

[18:52:12]

** jharrisonwk wants a digital tv tuner card that can decrypt his cable signal **

[18:52:18]

xris:

sapbeast: will soon get flashvideo stuff into mythweb, too

[18:52:57]

sapbeast:

oh really? ill have to check that... symlinks to the existing files with meaningful names would help *alot*

[18:53:43]

plb:

argh last thing I do before everything is setup and its a pita!

[18:53:58]

sapbeast:

jharrisonwk: not in your lifetime unless you have about 3.56x10^78 spare cpu cycles lying around

[18:54:15]

Juski:

lol

[18:54:29]

jharrisonwk:

sapbeast: would a 16-way opteron with 64GB of ram do that?

[18:54:32]

kormoc:

sapbeast, jharrisonwk, and a huge team of lawyers, as it's rather illegal...

[18:54:37]

xris:

sapbeast: mythrename.pl (in contrib)

[18:54:59]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, in about 10^57 years or so, sure...

[18:55:01]

xris:

kormoc: it also renames on top of symlinks

[18:55:23]

kormoc:

xris, ooh? nifty

[18:55:28]

sapbeast:

so does it symlink to the original or rename the original then provide a symlink for myth?

[18:55:39]

xris:

kormoc: hence the "rename" bit in the name.

[18:55:44]

xris:

sapbeast: --help

[18:55:45]

kormoc:

sapbeast, likely just updates the db with the new name

[18:55:59]

xris:

it has 2 modes.. rename and link

[18:56:00]

sapbeast:

ill take a look, im at work my myth box is about 30 miles away :p

[18:56:10]

kormoc:

sapbeast, that's what ssh is for!

[18:56:23]

sapbeast:

im using that right now actually

[18:56:49]

jharrisonwk:

kormoc: my cable box does the same thing. all I want is a tv tuner card to do it too. I still pay my bills whats illegal about it?

[18:56:53]

sapbeast:

ssh tunneling vnc from my home computer

[18:57:24]

jharrisonwk:

its not illegal to use a ir transmitter and a mythtv box rather then buying your cable companies $1000 dollar motorola unit?

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jharrisonwk:

I think if my cable company found out my plans they would not be happy

[18:58:08]

jharrisonwk:

of course being in a country where there are not much laws against such things probably helps me more then them

[18:58:10]

sapbeast:

i think he means its not exactly 100% leagl to take the digital stream and save it directly (some have done this on unencrypted signals with some comcast recievers)

[18:58:15]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, the DCMA says that using anything to remove the content protection (the encryption) that is not done with the cable company's permission is illegal, so until the cable company sells/rents/gives you a card to do it, it's illegal

[18:58:17]

xris:

jharrisonwk: easier to get the HD motorola box and use firewire

[18:58:33]

sapbeast:

likely, ive just done VHS on the digital channels in the past and its not exactly crappy

[18:58:51]

jharrisonwk:

xris: you mean the $1000 motorola box?

[18:59:09]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, most people just get them for $5 a month

[18:59:16]

sapbeast:

regardless of the dmca he wont be able to do it anyways

[18:59:19]

xris:

jharrisonwk: no. $5/month for the HD receiver (not dvr)

[18:59:41]

kormoc:

sapbeast, yeah, but he asked why it would be illegal, and that's why

[18:59:44]

xris:

well, $5/month extra

[19:00:02]

xris:

kormoc: that's what cablecard is all about, though.

[19:00:11]

xris:

problem is, no linux device will ever get legal cablecard support

[19:00:23]

sapbeast:

not by a longshot no ~_~

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jharrisonwk:

here we buy our box and we just pay a monthly fee for service

[19:01:29]

jharrisonwk:

but I dont have an hd box I have a box that has RF out and component out

[19:01:30]

jharrisonwk:

thats it

[19:01:59]

sapbeast:

well this is the upcoming problem of living in this country: you wont be able to save digital streams from tv even if its legal... they are going to try very very hard to stop you

[19:02:52]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, that's how it is here to, but when you update to HD, they give you a hd capable box (the 6200 is quite common) for that $5 monthly rental fee and then it's just firewire from the box to myth and off you go

[19:03:10]

xris:

jharrisonwk: what provider/country?

[19:03:44]

kormoc:

Florda/Bahamas is his hostmask

[19:05:15]

jharrisonwk:

xris: cable bahamas/bahamas

[19:05:51]

xris:

jharrisonwk: that kind of stucks.

[19:06:05]

sapbeast:

not trying to rain on your parade, its just thats how things are in the US lately... if they had thier way VCR's would have been illegal back in 1984 so were fortunate we can even do what we can

[19:06:27]

xris:

sapbeast: I have no trouble saving digital streams

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sapbeast:

i dont have digital cable anymore myself...

[19:07:24]

xris:

it's cheaper for me to get digital than analog

[19:07:31]

jharrisonwk:

me too

[19:07:40]

jharrisonwk:

plus they are phasing out analog

[19:07:41]

plb:

anyone know how to fix irsend: could not connect to socket ?

[19:07:41]

xris:

for another year at least (competitive switch from Dish)

[19:07:50]

sapbeast:

would be the reverse here... i would have to pay $30 extra to get my digital channels back (and need a cable box on top of that)

[19:08:11]

sapbeast:

already $90 for analogue channels + internet service

[19:08:15]

xris:

sapbeast: yeah, it'd be a LOT more if I hadn't switched from Dish

[19:08:22]

xris:

I'm basically getting things at half price

[19:08:46]

jharrisonwk:

I dont get half price but I save a couple bucks

[19:08:54]

sapbeast:

there wasnt much i missed from the digital channels either, but your mileage may vary

[19:08:59]

xris:

wish it'd give me cheaper internet... stupid business line

[19:09:51]

jharrisonwk:

I have 4mbit down 1mbit up for internet at $69 a month

[19:10:03]

armand:

damn, heh

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armand:

but you're on an island so i guess thats not too bad

[19:10:13]

jharrisonwk:

and I pay $55 for 175 channels

[19:10:16]

xris:

mine's 6M/768k (actually about 8.2 down) for $105... but I get 6 static IP's and permission to run servers

[19:10:30]

armand:

mines 10mb/1mb for 39.99 heh

[19:10:39]

xris:

armand: fibre?

[19:10:51]

armand:

cable, io (optonline)

[19:10:57]

xris:

not bafd

[19:10:58]

xris:

bad

[19:11:17]

sapbeast:

current roadrunner here is 7m/512k for $40/mo, if you pay some extra you get 10m/768k for the "gamers package"

[19:11:22]

armand:

yeah i was quite happy to switch from comcast to them when i moved.. @homo was 6mb/512k for 90$ heh

[19:11:23]

sapbeast:

you may run servers on either service

[19:11:31]

xris:

I'll stick with my business line, though... no shared bandwidth with neighbors, no caps and they let me run my web servers

[19:11:37]

armand:

with optonline you can make for 30mb/10mb for 90$

[19:11:44]

armand:

and they open port 80 and 25

[19:12:06]

kormoc:

they open port 80/25?

[19:12:07]

xris:

armand: still doesn't give you permission (or reverse dns, for that matter)

[19:12:10]

kormoc:

what bout the other ports?

[19:12:12]

armand:

yeah xris, optonline blocks 80/25 inbound

[19:12:23]

armand:

kormoc: they block 8080 inbound too, but i dont really care about that

[19:12:42]

kormoc:

armand, what about say, 22, 23, 443, 9000+?

[19:12:54]

armand:

443 is inbound is blocked too, 22/23/21 no

[19:13:02]

xris:

annoying

[19:13:07]

xris:

but such is residential service

[19:13:10]

armand:

yup yup

[19:13:24]

jharrisonwk:

hhmmm

[19:13:35]

jharrisonwk:

apparently my cable box does HD

[19:13:43]

jharrisonwk:

I just only have RF and component out

[19:13:44]

xris:

jharrisonwk: firewire port?

[19:13:45]

armand:

the 30mb/10mb is buisness, but as with cable its still 'shared'

[19:13:52]

jharrisonwk:

xris: not that I know of

[19:13:53]

xris:

jharrisonwk: bahamas part of the US?

[19:13:59]

jharrisonwk:

xris: no

[19:14:03]

laga:

ISPs blocking ports, that's not real internet access, that's fraud :)

[19:14:11]

sapbeast:

my ip is static unless i cycle my modem, which is once every 6 months

[19:14:19]

xris:

laga: so are invisible caps, which they do on cable, too

[19:14:25]

armand:

laga: inbound though. they dont want you running services or your own isp out of your house for 40$ a month

[19:14:30]

kormoc:

I rather my comcast, 8 mbit down / 768kbit up, 0 ports blocked, $50 a month

[19:14:31]

xris:

sapbeast: not static enough to run a dns server

[19:14:37]

jharrisonwk:

at the office I have gbit fibre

[19:14:38]

laga:

xris: that sucks :/

[19:14:39]

jharrisonwk:

:-P

[19:14:42]

xris:

kormoc: you're missing a verb

[19:14:45]

armand:

kormoc: yeah, since they raised it, how did you like it with 5mb/128k?

[19:14:46]

jharrisonwk:

OC48

[19:14:50]

laga:

armand: *shrug* same difference ;)

[19:15:12]

xris:

laga: yup. another reason I like my business line. no caps, no monitoring

[19:15:12]

jharrisonwk:

xris: should all HD boxes have firewire?

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kormoc:

armand, never had 5 mbit/128k, past 6 years it's been 6mbit/512 or higher

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xris:

jharrisonwk: in the US, they're required

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sapbeast:

oh and uhhh... thanks who pointed out that mythrename.pl for me :p

[19:15:31]

xris:

outside of the US, no clye

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sapbeast:

that makes things alot easier

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xris:

clue

[19:15:35]

armand:

kormoc: then you're lucky i guess. i had @homo for 6years

[19:15:42]

jams:

jharrisonwk- They SHOULD but they do not.

[19:16:02]

jharrisonwk:

I will talk to the guy that runs our headend and see what he says

[19:16:14]

kormoc:

armand, when I first got it, they didn't cap it at all, I had 10 mbit/10 mbit for the first 3 months or so.

[19:16:22]

armand:

kormoc: yup, same here

[19:16:34]

armand:

then they just put the clamp on, one day

[19:16:36]

armand:

out of nowhere.

[19:16:36]

armand:

:)

[19:16:51]

kormoc:

Well, given I wasn't paying for it, it wasn't unexpected :P

[19:17:53]

jharrisonwk:

you can uncap it again

[19:18:07]

armand:

chances of them finding out are pretty good

[19:18:16]

armand:

then chances of getting your service terminated after that, are near 100%

[19:18:27]

armand:

you dont exactly have alot of options for broadband

[19:18:28]

armand:

:P

[19:18:29]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, not really, it's capped on the modem and on the cable company's end, so uncap the modem, and it's still capped.

[19:18:30]

jharrisonwk:

how can you be held responsible for their mistakes?

[19:18:38]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, it's not their mistake...

[19:18:44]

jharrisonwk:

so YOU say

[19:18:46]

armand:

you're held responsible for theft of service

[19:19:00]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, and so they say when they look at the modem and see that it was modified by you

[19:19:01]

armand:

you're the one that arp poisoned the cable modem, setup a tftp server on your box, and uploaded a new config to it

[19:19:04]

jharrisonwk:

you guys are too serious

[19:19:06]

armand:

thats not "their mistake"

[19:19:10]

jharrisonwk:

need to lighten up

[19:19:13]

sapbeast:

trust me when i say trying to uncap your modem is like trying to find martha stewart entertaining... you really really cant do it these days without getting in deep doo doo

[19:19:14]

jharrisonwk:

laugh a little

[19:19:18]

jharrisonwk:

its good for you

[19:19:33]

armand:

oh.. you were joking about uncapping your cable modem

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armand:

sorry, text doesnt transfer sarcasm

[19:19:48]

kazan:

hey guys

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laga:

jharrisonwk: err, capped internet access is serious bsuiness.

[19:19:48]

laga:

;)

[19:19:50]

jharrisonwk:

yes of course

[19:20:02]

jharrisonwk:

there is a book about it though

[19:20:07]

jharrisonwk:

how to uncap your cable modem

[19:20:08]

armand:

who needs a book, heh

[19:20:09]

kazan:

if i rigged up my cablebox through an svideo input on a tuner – how the frack do i get the EPG info, zap2it doesn't have it

[19:20:15]

armand:

iu just told you how to do it :)

[19:20:18]

sapbeast:

well its all done through QoS on thier side anyways these days... if you somehow managed to "fix" your modem you still would not get very far after a while

[19:20:39]

jharrisonwk:

well seeing as I dont have much interest in it and dont know where to begin if I all of a sudden did get an interest in it I need a book

[19:20:41]

xris:

kazan: how does zap2it not have it?

[19:21:16]

kazan:

xris: they do not provide the listing data for any channel beyond 78 for my area

[19:21:17]

Dibblah:

Because they don't do the foreign porn channels ;)

[19:21:24]

Dibblah:

Sorry :)

[19:21:28]

xris:

kazan: then you're probably SOL

[19:21:30]

Zider:

I've had 4Mbit ever since I upgraded from 1 to 2Mbit at new year.. NOW I get a note in my mailbox that the 2Mbit service has become 4Mbit and they think I should get it.. ;D

[19:21:34]

laga:

Dibblah: why do you need EPG? just switch to livetv and fap away.

[19:21:36]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, you do have google

[19:21:38]

kazan:

xris: IE they don't provide data for the digital stations I would be using my fragging cablebox for

[19:21:44]

xris:

kazan: email them and tell them they're missing channels

[19:21:44]

jharrisonwk:

kormoc: yes of course

[19:21:48]

Dibblah:

livetv? Surely you jest.

[19:21:53]

Dibblah:

Can't timestretch live.

[19:21:55]

kazan:

heh :D lots of channels :P

[19:21:56]

armand:

livetv? whats that

[19:22:00]

xris:

kazan: not a separate listing for digital? comcast has separate listing types in my setup

[19:22:02]

jharrisonwk:

kormoc: prefer reading paper then screens though

[19:22:12]

kazan:

xris: not that i could see

[19:22:14]

kazan:

xris: lemme try again

[19:22:19]

xris:

kazan: zipcode?

[19:22:39]

kazan:

50014

[19:22:45]

kazan:

they won't let me add a second lineup

[19:22:57]

kazan:

i try adding one and entering my code and it simply sends me back to current lineups

[19:23:02]

** Dibblah grumbles more about qmake sucking. **

[19:23:02]

kormoc:

you need to delete the old one.

[19:23:12]

kazan:

bah

[19:23:16]

kazan:

i'll create another account

[19:23:18]

xris:

Mediacom – Ames – Digital

[19:23:20]

kazan:

no-can-do on deletion

[19:23:23]

xris:

kazan: can add up to 4

[19:23:27]

kazan:

not on mine

[19:23:34]

kormoc:

xris, but not the same zipcode.

[19:23:39]

kazan:

i enter my zip code and it sends me back to current lineups

[19:23:45]

xris:

kormoc: huh? I have 2 for my zipcode

[19:23:50]

xris:

just can't have multiples of the same provider

[19:23:59]

kormoc:

xris, ooh? ooh... that's what it was

[19:24:00]

kormoc:

oops

[19:24:00]

kazan:

both would be mediacom

[19:24:03]

kazan:

we only have one provider

[19:24:14]

xris:

oh, wtf... it used to work

[19:24:31]

jharrisonwk:

hey cable bahamas has their line up on tv guide's website

[19:24:32]

xris:

kazan: click the button, don't press enter

[19:24:35]

jharrisonwk:

is that good for mythtv?

[19:24:37]

xris:

enter selects the "cancel" button

[19:24:49]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:24:52]

xris:

jharrisonwk: that's up to xmltv

[19:24:52]

kormoc:

silly site design

[19:25:12]

Dibblah:

Need a seperate keyboard for this laptop. The kittens have claimed the inbuilt one.

[19:25:23]

xris:

jharrisonwk: if zap2it doesn't have it (not sure if bahamas count as north america or not), you need to use xmltv

[19:26:12]

xris:

afk, lunchtime

[19:26:16]

Dibblah:

Other way (depending on your provider) is to get a dvb card and hope they do EIT properly.

[19:26:52]

kazan:

pph

[19:26:53]

kazan:

bomgp

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kazan:

erg

[19:27:00]

kazan:

being lined up on the keyboard helps!

[19:27:03]

kazan:

haha

[19:27:10]

kazan:

bingo

[19:27:13]

kazan:

FULL EPG info

[19:27:45]

kazan:

can you put two PVR-500s in one computer?

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Juski:

kazan: you can put as many in one pc as you have PCI slots :-)

[19:28:11]

kazan:

k

[19:28:17]

kazan:

didn't know if the ivtv drivers played nice

[19:28:24]

sapbeast:

oh thats not good... i think i totally hosed my mythtv now

[19:28:28]

kazan:

i've heard that a PVR-150 and a PVR-500 in the same system don't get along

[19:28:30]

kazan:

doh sapbeast

[19:28:34]

Juski:

so long as you've got a good motherboard you should be fine

[19:28:44]

sapbeast:

i did mythrename.pl without symlinks and now all the original files are renamed

[19:28:46]

sapbeast:

is this bad?

[19:28:54]

laga:

Juski: hiya! i got a PVR 250 off ebay for 15¤ :)

[19:28:57]

kazan:

you can have two different datadirect sources without problems IIRC?

[19:29:11]

kazan:

doesi t work laga

[19:29:13]

Juski:

15 euro? nice!

[19:29:18]

sapbeast:

kazan: i have both and they fortunately work just fine

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** Juski 's CPU is pegged, rendering a new version of the linuxtag video **

[19:29:43]

sapbeast:

well "fine" for the pvr-500 is horrible static encumbered recordings and awful ring bars because of the samsung tuners :p

[19:31:04]

kazan:

i have no such problem

[19:31:21]

laga:

kazan: i hope so ;)

[19:31:39]

laga:

Juski: nice. you may want to talk to maniacxs, he's been looking for you today

[19:31:42]

kazan:

my BTTV tuner is terrible though

[19:31:45]

sapbeast:

kazan: i wish i could say the same

[19:31:46]

kazan:

not that i use it much

[19:32:05]

Juski:

laga: I know. seems I forgot to change the music on the video to something erm.. free

[19:32:09]

sapbeast:

i picked up a pvr-150 over the weekend and now used it as the primary tuner... the quality is significantly better

[19:32:14]

laga:

Juski: ouch. that'd bad ;)

[19:32:23]

Juski:

how much does a cheap du-op system go for?

[19:32:34]

Ryushin:

I see from slashdot that S3 released their S27 card. Is this a workable XvMC card in myth?

[19:33:10]

sapbeast:

example: channel 45 looks good on the pvr-150, on tuner 1 of the pvr-500 it has some nasty ring bars but still watchable... on the 2nd tuner its pretty much unintelligable

[19:33:34]

laga:

Juski: you may wanna look into the cheapest amd athlon 64 X2. seems like they're quite nice CPUs. a little slow compared to single core cpus, but hard to beat for stuff like rendering and multitasking. but see some benchmarks yourself before you buy anything based on my recommendation ;)

[19:33:35]

Juski:

ffs... Â£232 just for the CPU?! wah!

[19:33:35]

armand:

coax not on good? heh

[19:34:01]

sapbeast:

armand: i had it hooked up directly as the only device in the entire house, same thing

[19:34:04]

Juski:

I think I might just build another 2800 box & use network rendering

[19:34:13]

sapbeast:

its on a good quality distribution amp and on a standard tv it looks fine also

[19:34:22]

armand:

maybe its not detecting your tuner type correctly, the ivtv drivers that is

[19:34:34]

sapbeast:

it is

[19:34:38]

laga:

Juski: 232pounds for the cheapest athlon x2?!

[19:34:40]

sapbeast:

its a known problem with the samsung tuners

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armand:

hm. glad im useing 500's then :)

[19:35:02]

sapbeast:

you mean 500s with the older phillips tuner?

[19:35:02]

armand:

my setup is old so they're full of pvr 250's heh

[19:35:11]

armand:

er, glad im *not*

[19:35:12]

armand:

sorry.

[19:35:24]

sapbeast:

yeah, apparently the older boards with the phillips tuner are fine

[19:35:27]

kazan:

my 500s came off ebay

[19:35:29]

Juski:

laga: that's for dualcore opteron

[19:35:29]

sapbeast:

the newer ones are not well supported yet

[19:35:35]

armand:

ah

[19:35:42]

kazan:

samsung tuner have a problem fixing the precise frequency? or is it software?

[19:35:48]

laga:

Juski: they're prolly a little bit more expensive..

[19:35:55]

sapbeast:

the ivtv developers have not gotten any info from samsung yet

[19:35:59]

sapbeast:

i was reading thier forum

[19:36:03]

kazan:

ah

[19:36:04]

kazan:

so it's software

[19:36:08]

kazan:

samsung just being dicks

[19:36:27]

Juski:

laga: dual athlon 64: cheapest is just over Â£200 – even so

[19:36:37]

sapbeast:

well i dont have the option just yet to try the card in a windows machine to see if thats the case... when i get a chance i will

[19:36:48]

laga:

Juski: wow. that's really expensive.

[19:36:54]

Juski:

bearing in mind that vegas isn't a 64-bit app yet... and for that I'll prolly have to pay Â£Â£Â£Â£ AGAIN

[19:37:28]

Juski:

I need to upgrade my graphics card & try the video editor which uses the GPU shaders

[19:38:01]

sapbeast:

kazan: previously the card worked but it was pure static (base frequency was off) and in ivtv 0.4.3 they managed to get a working picture, but its not perfect yet

[19:38:04]

Juski:

laga: how much is a dualcore 64 chip in germany land?

[19:38:29]

sapbeast:

granted the card still works fine as an analogue capture source (s-video, composite)

[19:39:20]

laga:

Juski: x2 3800+ is like 260¤ at the cheapest place

[19:39:24]

Juski:

of course with the new cpus I need a new motherboard – one with lots of PCI slots... and they are as rare as hen's teeth now. fucking stupid SLI crap

[19:40:07]

laga:

Juski: and a new pcie vga board. i've spec'ed a new box for me, but it'll be too expensive :/

[19:40:09]

armand:

hens teeth? hjehje

[19:40:22]

Juski:

260EUR for a 3800 chip? that's like uhh... Â£162

[19:40:23]

sapbeast:

Juski: my mythbox is what i previously used for linux as a server only... amd sempron 2400+ overclocked to 3200+ (fsb change) with 1gb of ram, geforce 4 ti4600 ... i dont even need XvMC

[19:40:39]

sapbeast:

in fact XvMC looks worse for me (!)

[19:40:45]

Juski:

I bet shipping from Germany isn't Â£50

[19:41:06]

laga:

Juski: sure, but you'll prolly have trouble with warranty and so on

[19:41:18]

Juski:

warranty .. pah

[19:41:40]

kazan:

mythTV's scheduler is smart enoguh to know which tuner gets what channels right?

[19:42:24]

Juski:

hmm what's the cheapest PCI-E graphics card then...

[19:42:37]

kazan:

IE two heads of a PVR-500 on normal cable only, but then a BTTV card bringing in digital cable on the same channel set + more is gravy right?

[19:42:48]

sapbeast:

kazan: in "upcoming recordings" if its a "1" its on the pvr-150 and if its a "2" or "3" its on the pvr-500

[19:43:13]

sapbeast:

at least how i have it setup

[19:43:20]

kazan:

i know that :P

[19:43:43]

kazan:

my setup is Encoder 1 = bttv, Encoder 2 = PVR-500 1st tuner, Encoder 3 = PVR-500 2nd tuner

[19:43:53]

kazan:

they're all on the same channel table right now

[19:44:15]

sapbeast:

oh... you mean like that

[19:44:16]

kazan:

when i get my irblaster E1 will be going onto a seperate channel table that includes all of E2 and E3's table plus more

[19:44:17]

Juski:

ugh nvidia 7300LE for under Â£40. gnarly

[19:44:43]

Juski:

I bet I'd need new memory as well – bloody sharks

[19:44:54]

sapbeast:

the cheapest pci-e video card is the geforce 6200 turbocache

[19:45:10]

sapbeast:

which is a video card and not much else

[19:45:11]

Juski:

I wouldn't have any turbocache shit if you paid me

[19:45:17]

Juski:

:-)

[19:45:21]

sapbeast:

yeah i know it sucks

[19:45:36]

Juski:

I need fast 2D more than I need fast 3d anyway

[19:45:40]

sapbeast:

i just happen to have enough hardware lying around to where i didnt need an expensive video card

[19:45:57]

plb:

anyone know how to fix this? irsend: could not connect to socket

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Juski:

plb: http://www.lirc.org/html/irsend.html

[19:46:51]

plb:

I saw that

[19:47:12]

Juski:

so does /dev/lircd have write permissions?

[19:47:17]

Juski:

and is lircd running?

[19:47:26]

plb:

yes

[19:47:46]

plb:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2006-05–01 15:40 /dev/lircd

[19:47:55]

Juski:

does it have write permissions for the user you're running it as?

[19:48:05]

Juski:

hrm

[19:48:15]

plb:

I can it as root and I get that

[19:48:26]

Juski:

plb: I dunno then

[19:48:43]

mlehrer:

Juski: can i ask you a follow up french HD question – is it possible to capture the video over there?

[19:49:21]

Juski:

mlehrer: I have no idea. I've seen some traffic on the dev list about myth working with h.264 over DVB – at least the early stages of it

[19:50:11]

Juski:

as I said earlier, french HD is h.264

[19:51:15]

mlehrer:

ok thanks, i'll check the dev list

[19:54:07]

Juski:

plb: check the irsend script to make sure it's trying to use the correct device

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Juski:

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laga:

Juski: are they doing h.264 over dvb-s2 or over normal dvb-s?

[19:56:04]

laga:

(if that's even possible)

[19:56:17]

Juski:

laga: over DVB-T

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laga:

Juski: ah, ok. so, it's unencrypted?

[19:56:35]

Juski:

how lucky are the French?!

[19:56:39]

Juski:

laga: some is

[19:56:48]

laga:

Juski: dammit. buncha lucky bastards.. ;)

[19:56:58]

laga:

darn, coume is around.. ;)

[19:57:30]

Coume:

what?

[19:57:35]

Coume:

some asking for me?

[19:57:36]

** laga hides **

[19:57:41]

Coume:

lol

[19:58:31]

** Coume going back to eating is feta salad watching the snooker ;) **

[19:58:49]

Coume:

stay hiden laga... I will be back!

[19:59:02]

Coume:

s/hiden/hidden

[19:59:42]

Juski:

lol

[20:00:01]

Juski:

snooker? I thought you had a liking for real sports.

[20:00:22]

Coume:

Juski, that's waiting "wife swap..." lol

[20:00:39]

Juski:

I get my wife back tomorrow...

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laga:

Juski: well, and i thought he'd eat real food.

[20:00:56]

** laga hopes he's gonna get his GF back soon, too **

[20:01:01]

laga:

her family occupies her a lot

[20:01:11]

Juski:

must be how you stay so skinny Coume :-P

[20:01:17]

laga:

she'd just shown up at my door. 'hey, that's my brother'...uh, yeah.

[20:01:39]

Coume:

carly, please hide. laga is around so he can't see you

[20:01:42]

Juski:

laga: gawd.. not much quality time then..

[20:02:02]

laga:

Juski: quality time? i'm still sick, so she left after a few minutes

[20:02:14]

Juski:

damnation

[20:02:15]

Coume:

eheh Juski I am just not use to the fish and chips rules :)

[20:02:54]

Juski:

I washed the curry dishes from the other night and I had to wash the sink about 6 times to shift the grease..

[20:03:07]

laga:

fish and chips? the thought makes me pop yet another stomach pill.. ;)

[20:03:10]

Juski:

rubbish takeaways

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[20:04:00]

Coume:

lol juski, wife swap...

[20:04:19]

Juski:

oo btw Coume. I've been thinking about the show stand. I'm wondering if it'd be any use to have a small PA system so we can do _real_ demos

[20:04:20]

Niklas_E:

is there any way to force mythtv to use v4l2 and check so it doesn't try to use v4l?

[20:04:59]

jharrisonwk:

what is snooker?

[20:05:01]

Juski:

picture me with a headset mike... :-P

[20:05:31]

Coume:

Juski, depends really the size of the stand :/

[20:05:42]

Juski:

true... that's being worked out now btw

[20:06:06]

Juski:

if it's more than just a couple of tables I'll work something out for the sound ;-)

[20:06:40]

** Juski should make a list of things to do... **

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[20:07:08]

Juski:

much as I hate to admit it, it might be time for me to get a blog

[20:07:23]

Coume:

Juski, make me think this week to open a subforum as we did for the LinuxTAG

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[20:08:09]

Coume:

Juski, I bought a great forum for a blog... never used it... I still can't accept the idea of having to much thing Google browseable... So I'm kind of anti-blog :)

[20:08:44]

Coume:

s/forum/domain

[20:08:46]

Juski:

I prefer the forum idea. my life is too dull for anyone to want to read about anyway

[20:08:52]

laga:

jharrisonwk: something like billard with larger tables

[20:09:08]

Dibblah:

Juski: Simple. Make up stuff.

[20:09:13]

laga:

my life is to depressing... ;)

[20:09:17]

Coume:

lol Dibblah

[20:09:29]

Coume:

come on not that bad laga :) u have great hair

[20:09:32]

** Coume is running **

[20:09:36]

** laga shoots Coume **

[20:09:47]

laga:

that was funny ;)

[20:09:50]

Juski:

I shoulda said the stuff I'd want people to hear about is too boring :-D

[20:10:00]

** laga makes a note that the french do have humour **

[20:10:09]

Juski:

lol

[20:10:39]

** Juski changes laga's sig to "because I'm worth it" **

[20:10:52]

Coume:

laga, it's because I'm from north of France, we are close to Belgium :)

[20:11:05]

laga:

Coume: so, what's your problem with fried stuff then?

[20:11:21]

jharrisonwk:

laga: ah

[20:11:32]

jharrisonwk:

world cup is coming next month

[20:11:46]

laga:

Juski: my signature will soon change to 'away no, for real, fsckers' ;)

[20:11:51]

Coume:

laga, go in a pub on friday... see the bellys in England... and you will decide that take-away are bads!!!!!!1

[20:11:52]

laga:

s/no/now/&

[20:11:53]

Juski:

arghhh.. not the ***** *** !

[20:12:10]

laga:

Juski: hey. at least it's not in your country

[20:12:32]

Juski:

at least my country won't be in it for long :-P

[20:12:40]

laga:

Juski: neither will mine... ;)

[20:13:06]

laga:

(the GF is mad at me now. what did i do to deserve that?)

[20:13:07]

Juski:

I fsking HOPE not anyway

[20:13:07]

Coume:

neither mine... I don't even know if they got a team this year

[20:14:03]

Juski:

we'll all be shot for being unpatriotic, come the revolution

[20:14:05]

Dibblah:

laga: Check between your legs. If something dangly's there, you're wrong. Always.

[20:14:33]

Juski:

if something dangly is there, you've been taking this stuff: www.colonblow.com

[20:14:39]

Dibblah:

There doesn't need to be a reason.

[20:14:52]

Coume:

Juski, I will put a BIG english flag in my french punto... to avoid having my car destroy during world cup!

[20:15:20]

** laga is too afraid to look up "dangly"... **

[20:15:29]

laga:

Coume: gee, just get a bigger engine to run over these idiots.

[20:15:35]

Juski:

hmm... insurance would just say it was an act of God anyway.. since Football >> God here

[20:16:06]

Dibblah:

Note to self: Cats like the taste of duct-tape.

[20:16:20]

** Juski hates anyone who spends more on hair products than he gets paid in a year **

[20:16:28]

Coume:

50 drunk english lads going out of a pub seeing a French car parked... and France just beat them? the car is dead...

[20:16:47]

Dibblah:

It's french. Hasn't got long to live anyway ;)

[20:17:12]

Coume:

:)

[20:17:15]

Dibblah:

Sorry – Parents used to own a Citroen BX.

[20:17:28]

Coume:

my grand-parents too :)

[20:17:53]

Coume:

it was fun playing with the hydrolics suspensions.

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[20:18:02]

Dibblah:

No. It was not.

[20:18:29]

Coume:

put the BX in high position and go have a ride in the mountain :)

[20:19:00]

Dibblah:

Oh, let's see how many useless gadgets we can add that when they break stop the car from moving. That sounds like a great idea.

[20:19:52]

laga:

Dibblah: electronic fuel injection?

[20:20:08]

Dibblah:

Electronically controlled "suspension".

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[20:20:46]

Juski:

those crazy foreigners: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/madguy.wmv

[20:21:02]

Juski:

(^^ I did this ^^)

[20:21:15]

kormoc:

so it's more, you crazy foreigner? :P

[20:21:22]

** Coume starts to hate the new way spammers are sending the spams to support AT mythtvtalk ... **

[20:21:23]

mythica:

can someone give me advice with this:

[20:21:23]

mythica:

http://pastebin.com/692951

[20:21:28]

mythica:

ivtv seems to be failing

[20:21:40]

laga:

Dibblah: so, you push buttons and the car bounces up and down?

[20:21:48]

Juski:

pimpin' !

[20:21:55]

Coume:

laga, it was not the West coat :)

[20:21:59]

laga:

Coume: we had some good poetry in there last time. something about widows and funerals.

[20:22:04]

Coume:

s/coat/coast

[20:22:08]

laga:

Coume: well, bouncing in a very slow way ;)

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[20:22:47]

Juski:

mythica: OMG the brokenness!

[20:23:11]

mythica:

i know hah

[20:23:13]

mythica:

its pwned

[20:23:18]

sapbeast:

thats a pretty nasty dmesg

[20:23:24]

Coume:

lol Juski :) who is the guy?

[20:23:32]

mythica:

haha

[20:23:49]

mythica:

i just uninstalled ivtv and upgraded my kernel and tried reinstalling ivtv

[20:23:52]

mythica:

where do i start :p

[20:23:58]

Juski:

Coume: DJ Rotti. google him

[20:24:10]

laga:

Juski: i thought you were younger.

[20:24:12]

Dibblah:

Unfortunately, due to the amount of chassis movement on that beast, on it's lowest setting it handled like an old, victorian bed (with canopy)

[20:24:15]

Juski:

he's a DJ – who erm.. makes mad videos when he gets home

[20:24:22]

Coume:

lol laga

[20:24:32]

laga:

Juski: on acid, preferably?

[20:24:41]

Juski:

acid doesn't do that to people

[20:24:48]

Juski:

not in my experience anyway

[20:24:59]

Juski:

maybe he's just crazy

[20:25:00]

sapbeast:

does anyone remember the old tv show MTV's AMP?

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Juski:

http://www.roflmat.de/page.php?id=53

[20:26:28]

mythica:

should I just try removing ivtv completely?

[20:26:39]

mythica:

when i try rmmod ivtv it says it is in use

[20:26:49]

mythica:

what can i do to forcefully remove it or stop it being in use?

[20:26:53]

Juski:

mythica: my money would be on doing what the dmesg output says

[20:28:01]

mythica:

but there are like 100 errors there :p which would I start on?

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sapbeast:

is this when you first boot up

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[20:28:29]

a1fa:

yo yo yo

[20:28:30]

Juski:

clip the message as it says to do...

[20:28:36]

Juski:

or just google on some of the errors

[20:28:40]

a1fa:

Juski : sup player

[20:28:43]

Juski:

jesus this guy is nuts: http://rotti.23c.de/pizzarotti01.avi

[20:28:49]

mythica:

ok

[20:28:57]

Juski:

a1fa: 'sup bitch? ;-)

[20:28:58]

a1fa:

Juski : sfw?

[20:29:01]

a1fa:

not much

[20:29:06]

a1fa:

i still cant get xbmc mythtv to work

[20:29:16]

Juski:

oh god not that again

[20:29:23]

a1fa:

the newest version of xbmc, the newest version of xbmcmythtv

[20:29:29]

a1fa:

and svn myth

[20:29:35]

Juski:

that'd do it

[20:29:49]

Juski:

works fine with 0.19 here

[20:29:53]

a1fa:

ah

[20:29:55]

haj:

a1fa: i got mine working after i installed an alternative mplayer.dll

[20:30:02]

haj:

can't remember where i got it though

[20:30:07]

a1fa:

haj : svn?

[20:30:18]

a1fa:

ich hasse deutsch

[20:30:18]

a1fa:

:P

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laga:

hä?

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a1fa:

hej: u got svn?

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Coume:

ok, time to go washing dishes.. See Ya tomorrow!

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Juski:

haj: xbmc would work just fine with pvr or dvb recordings without the other mplayer doozie

[20:32:17]

Juski:

seeya later Coume

[20:32:35]

Coume:

laga, Juski if you have an idea about the supporter of the month, let me know in the forum :)

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Coume:

see ya Juski #

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a1fa:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/screenshots.html

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a1fa:

PM3

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a1fa:

looks like xbmc pm3

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

that's right

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Juski:

the whole idea I had was to make it look like project mayhem

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a1fa:

yes

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a1fa:

hey

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a1fa:

you know what needs to be fixed in mythtv

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a1fa:

when you have two shows, back2back, and two tuners

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a1fa:

make tuner 1 record first show

[20:36:05]

a1fa:

and make tuner 2 record second show

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kormoc:

why?

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a1fa:

because i used that thing "record 30s" before start of the show

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Juski:

mine does already

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kormoc:

if you have that set right, it will do so

[20:36:37]

a1fa:

so it only works for the first show, and then it doesnt for the 2nd

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Juski:

so don't use the pre-roll

[20:37:09]

a1fa:

then i dont get some of the show

[20:37:14]

a1fa:

i am using ntp, but still

[20:37:18]

Juski:

set the time to a minute before & after with the recording options

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sapbeast:

well that certainly was not the right button to press

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Juski:

I have to pad some shows by 5 minutes

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haj:

Juski: well, perhaps.. but it didn't work with the reencoded nuv-files

[20:37:52]

Juski:

haj: it wouldn't do, no

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a1fa:

well anyway,

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a1fa:

myth should do that nativelly

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Juski:

I don't look forward to that patch of yours

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Niklas_E:

does the svn version use v4l2?

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kormoc:

a1fa, there's two styles of prerecord, one that is optional, and one that isn't. switch to the one that's not optional, and it will do what you want

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a1fa:

Juski : ?

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a1fa:

kormoc : i can do that in recording profiles?

[20:39:31]

kormoc:

yes

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a1fa:

and make it default. so everything is "not optional"

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Juski:

the way I do it is the optional way – and that still works

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kormoc:

should be, aye

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a1fa:

Juski : 60s ahead, and 60s behind?

[20:40:18]

a1fa:

thats a lot of tv time

[20:40:19]

Juski:

yup

[20:40:26]

Juski:

try 5 mins though

[20:40:31]

a1fa:

that sucks

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sapbeast:

what is alfa trying to do my client crashed right as he was speaking his problem

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Juski:

two keypresses to jump 5 minutes

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kormoc:

Juski, I think his issue is that he has another show in the same slot, so it cuts the pre and post to record

[20:41:03]

armand:

get more tuners

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armand:

=]

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Juski:

7 tuners should do it

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armand:

optonline does that, some shows i have set for 5minutes after.. like dirty jobs.. there's an already set 1min pre 1min post..

[20:41:54]

armand:

good thing i have 4 tuners because sometimes those extra minutes cause issues

[20:42:03]

Juski:

has anyone ever tried to max out mythtv and succeeded in breaking it by overloading?

[20:42:06]

sapbeast:

i dont have mine set to pre-record... i just make sure ntpd is handling things correclty (its usually spot on time wise then)

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a1fa:

armand : u idiot

[20:42:19]

a1fa:

armand : i just sayd.. two shows are back to back

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a1fa:

armand : i have two tuners.. why dont you read

[20:42:32]

a1fa:

armand : am,amja

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sapbeast:

i actually have to do this... my nforce 2 board has *terrible* clock drift

[20:42:42]

armand:

take the dildo out of your ass there alfa

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** a1fa ducks **

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armand:

2 tuners wouldnt do shit for me, i run 4, and one of the reasons is pre and post additional minutes

[20:43:34]

armand:

so stfu and live with it, or stfu period.

[20:43:35]

Juski:

ntpd or not, I can still miss some stuff.. it's the broadcasters who have flexitime scheduling

[20:43:36]

armand:

either or :)

[20:43:41]

a1fa:

armand : yeah, but i am still trying to get my mythtv to use alternative tunner when two shows overlap with pre&post minutes

[20:43:58]

a1fa:

Juski : focking broadcasters dont run ntp

[20:43:59]

armand:

a1fa: maybe you should go through your setup menus, moron

[20:44:05]

armand:

because its a simple setting that any retard would see

[20:44:06]

sapbeast:

Juski: yeah ive read about that, but the channels i record dont really suffer from this... i think the major networks here do that stuff to screw with Tivo

[20:44:09]

Juski:

a1fa: BBC does

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a1fa:

armand : why dont you suck on my dildo that just came out of my ass

[20:44:18]

a1fa:

Juski : no one else tho

[20:44:34]

sapbeast:

at least major networks here being ABC and CBS i think are guilty of this

[20:44:34]

Juski:

ITV cuts shows short to show ads

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a1fa:

sapbeast : i agree

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sapbeast:

regardless... the clock drift on my computer is pretty terrible, the ntpd log shows its being corrected by -2.5 seconds every few minutes (!!!)

[20:45:10]

armand:

this is nothing new, many broadcasters do it to fuck with tivos

[20:45:12]

armand:

so live with it

[20:45:19]

a1fa:

sapbeast : sucks

[20:45:22]

Juski:

HDD space is cheap

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laga:

a1fa, armand: you guys are a bunch of immature idiots. play nice now...

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Juski:

just pad

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armand:

laga: lol

[20:45:36]

a1fa:

laga : duck

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sapbeast:

actually a known issue with nforce 2 boards... thier RTC runs way too fast

[20:45:55]

a1fa:

i am going to order 1 more pvr-500

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armand:

a1fa: congradulations.

[20:46:06]

a1fa:

and 3x300gb sata disks

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armand:

i hope you get samsung tuners

[20:46:15]

armand:

:)

[20:46:31]

Juski:

I hope someone gets piles

[20:46:33]

a1fa:

Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23 416)

[20:46:57]

a1fa:

MemTotal: 776728 kB

[20:46:57]

a1fa:

MemFree: 309140 kB

[20:47:04]

armand:

3x300 is kind of weak, why not get bigger disks?

[20:47:11]

a1fa:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+

[20:47:14]

a1fa:

cos i want to run raid

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** sapbeast tries to figure out what kind of contest is going on now **

[20:47:20]

armand:

so get 500's

[20:47:26]

a1fa:

i allready got 300s

[20:47:38]

a1fa:

sapbeast : pissing

[20:47:39]

armand:

;/ weak

[20:47:50]

a1fa:

armand : my backend is so strong

[20:47:55]

a1fa:

it can own y0

[20:47:56]

armand:

your kung fu is weak

[20:48:00]

a1fa:

hehe

[20:48:05]

a1fa:

what you got wonderbread?

[20:48:14]

Juski:

must be all that dildo training.. " my backend is so strong"

[20:48:20]

armand:

enough maturity to tell you go pound sand?

[20:48:22]

sapbeast:

i dont know, my old cablebox dvr from the cable company had only a 75 gig drive... i made do with that for several years

[20:48:25]

armand:

+to

[20:48:30]

a1fa:

is it worth renting a tv from rent-a-center?

[20:48:57]

a1fa:

sapbeast : i backed up my dvds to my hd

[20:49:04]

a1fa:

sapbeast : so i dont have to get up and put it in

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a1fa:

Juski : mwah

[20:49:50]

a1fa:

hey did mythphone get integrated with svn?

[20:49:51]

armand:

sapbeast: my girlfriend is completely addicted to myth. between her housewives crap, travel channel crap, and trading spaces/home improvement crap, there's several hundred gig of space just for her

[20:50:07]

a1fa:

armand : wow. she must be a tv hore

[20:50:08]

armand:

i cant even transcode them to save space because of how often its recordings something

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sapbeast:

oh im not putting down having a crapload of space

[20:51:18]

sapbeast:

its just i try to trim stuff i watch so i dont have an insane pile of stuff

[20:51:42]

armand:

this weekend i made her delete a bunch of stuff since there was only ~10gig free on the masterbackend heh

[20:51:43]

a1fa:

i just delete stuff after i watch it

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a1fa:

easy as that

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a1fa:

somebody needs to port mythwakeonlan to OpenWRT

[20:52:23]

sapbeast:

i have my record profile set to 8mbit normal 9600mbit max but mainly because i dislike artifacts and my cable could be slightly better

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armand:

mines something like that, 2.4gig/hr

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a1fa:

same here

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a1fa:

2.2gb/hr

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sapbeast:

3.7G May 1 03:00 MythBusters – 2006-05–01, 2–00 AM – Myths Reopened.mpg

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sapbeast:

one hour show there from last night

[20:53:21]

armand:

damn lol

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

sapbeast : high quallity?

[20:53:38]

sapbeast:

yeah id rather have good quality for transcoding later

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a1fa:

cool

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armand:

i dont notice anything at 2.4gig/hr, i think its 5000/6500

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armand:

but i dont have hd tvs

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sapbeast:

this is not HD

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armand:

yeah i know

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a1fa:

is it worh renting a tv from rent-a-center?

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armand:

but sdtv on hdtv is terrible, so alot of people go as high as they can if they're useing sd

[20:54:17]

a1fa:

i need a tv with DVI input

[20:54:28]

a1fa:

i hate quallity loss with RCA & Svideo

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sapbeast:

i use my monitor since i do not own a tv really anymore

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sapbeast:

in fact until a week ago before i started getting into mythtv and dvr stuff again... i had literally not watched tv in 2 years

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a1fa:

ahha

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a1fa:

sapbeast : good for you

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armand:

any of the good stuff you can download

[20:55:20]

armand:

i just watch tv for reruns really

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sapbeast:

no, i just didnt miss it

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sapbeast:

after the first hurricanes in 2004 i was without power for over a week, and i just never bothered to watch tv again after

[20:56:08]

armand:

surprisingly, ive heard that alot

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armand:

that people go without tv for a week or 2, forced, then realize how much better it is without it and never watch again..

[20:56:26]

mne:

hi ! I'm running ubuntu and I have problems configuring mythtv (there's no possibility to search for channels). can anyone help me ?

[20:56:48]

sapbeast:

yeah it was kind of liberating actually, that and most of what was on tv at the time was AWFUL

[20:57:08]

sapbeast:

my wife would require that american idol was recorded... or else

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armand:

sapbeast: hah dont i know that one

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sapbeast:

unfortuantely she isnt around anymore (as in kill -9 process number) so my life has been kind of reoganized in the past year

[20:58:45]

armand:

its actually almost time for me to add another tuner.. several times this week i'll hit 3 tuners in use at the same time

[20:58:54]

armand:

tuesdays are killer. american idol, deadliest catch, and house

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armand:

heh

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sapbeast:

i think i have most of the history channel scheduled at the moment :p

[20:59:49]

armand:

great channel, history scifi and speed are the ones that are always recording for me

[21:00:16]

sapbeast:

well another thing is i wanted to save alot of my old vhs recordings... you know... what we did before tivo :P

[21:00:24]

sapbeast:

some of them are 10 years old or more, and not exactly going to last forever

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armand:

good ole vhs

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armand:

hrm, my setup wont be able to do 5 mythcommflags simultaneously

[21:02:02]

armand:

looks like it might be time to upgrade

[21:02:03]

armand:

heh

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sapbeast:

what speed proc?

[21:02:15]

armand:

2 xp3200's

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armand:

master/slave

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sapbeast:

thats odd... mine is an overclocked sempron and one show takes only 10% cpu commflag

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sapbeast:

and i watch tv on the same box

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armand:

low priority?

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sapbeast:

i beleive its set to that yes

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armand:

yeah i used to have it set to low, but it would take so long that it would queue between shows and you'd go to watch shows with no commflags

[21:03:35]

armand:

so i have them set to normal, its almost 5minutes or so behind the show

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sapbeast:

hmmm... ill have to check that when i get home

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sapbeast:

see what happens if i turn it up

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armand:

my master/slave are also frontends in the bedroom/living room

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armand:

not in that order though, master is in the living room, slave in the bedroom

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sapbeast:

all my junk is in one spot... i have only one linux machine so i dont do the seperate frontend

[21:04:42]

sapbeast:

rest are *ahem* that other os

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armand:

hehe

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sapbeast:

maybe i shouldnt be cynical... this machine has been up for 10 weeks on win 2003

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sapbeast:

at times

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armand:

i never intended this thing to grow so much.. a year and a half ago i setup 1 little mini-itx box as a pvr.. with 1 tuner and a 300gig sata drive

[21:06:26]

armand:

now its 2 mid towers with 600gig useable space heh

[21:06:31]

armand:

but its ext3

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armand:

heh... booooo

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cgg:

which cpu is best suited for mythtv??

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sapbeast:

well im new to this (mythtv at least) myself but ive dealt with video long before... i used to have a canopus dv raptor, pinnacle pro-one, canon gl-2 dv camrea

[21:07:18]

armand:

mythtv is a slippery slope

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sapbeast:

i have the original hauppague wintv-pvr in storage somewhere, but obviously its useless

[21:07:51]

armand:

cgg: depends on what you want to do, hd or not really

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cgg:

armand: i have no plan to do hd

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armand:

cgg: seperate frontend/backend or combined?

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port7:

is that a TAN or MAN?

[21:08:47]

cgg:

armand:combiend

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port7:

TV Area Network or Myth Area Network?

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armand:

cgg: you can get away with a farely lowend cpu then.

[21:09:05]

sapbeast:

cgg: when i was experimenting with mythtv a few weeks ago (didnt have my pvr-500 or pvr-150 yet) i was using my old bt878 capture card and software encoding... it was about 30–40% for one channel on a sempron 2400+ (oc to 3200+)

[21:09:17]

armand:

cgg: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

[21:09:26]

armand:

that'll give you some ideas

[21:09:53]

armand:

i used a sempron2500 (slightly overclocked) in my first box, when it had 2 tuners, pvr250's, and it was fine

[21:10:20]

cgg:

thanks

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sapbeast:

im glad that semprons oc so easily... i have one of those zalman all copper coolers on it and it doesnt even go above 40C

[21:12:52]

armand:

semprons are decent with heat, i think their breaking point is 80C?

[21:12:58]

armand:

i have the pdf around here somewhere

[21:13:00]

armand:

heh

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sapbeast:

well its not really that just that i was reading about how alot of people had success with thier 2400+ (socket a) running it at 200 fsb instead of 166

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sapbeast:

i figured i would try it myself, working fine for a month now

[21:14:23]

j3g:

anyone know which config option gets the kernel to compile cx25840?

[21:14:27]

armand:

70C

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armand:

thats pretty freakin hot hehe

[21:14:54]

sapbeast:

thats how hot my old athlon xp 2000+ ran

[21:15:03]

sapbeast:

back when it was new (what 5 years almost now?)

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sapbeast:

im serious too the stock heatsink was trash, little aluminium thing that didnt do jack

[21:15:48]

armand:

yeah, i have big giant fans on mine

[21:15:52]

armand:

so the boxes are almost silent

[21:15:56]

armand:

the only fan you hear is the ps

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sapbeast:

my athlon xp 3200+ has a tt silentboost on it, my amd64 4000+ is water cooling

[21:16:36]

sapbeast:

there is some noise from case fans but its not loud

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armand:

the little mini-itx case i used to use was so loud.. had 2 60mm exhaust fans and 1 80mm intake fan. both of my boxes now have 100mm cpu fans, and 1 100mm exhaust fan each

[21:16:42]

armand:

almost silent

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a1fa:

blalalah

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armand:

i definitely recommend the giant fans if you can fit em

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sapbeast:

the devil are 80mm fans, my old coolermaster case had 5 of those and it was unbearably aggrivating the noise they made

[21:18:10]

sapbeast:

yeah i have a tt shark, tt armour and the mythtv/linux is in my old tt xaser 2 case (can you tell what case brand i like?)

[21:18:10]

HeMan:

i have some really quiet 80 mm fans in my machine

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xris:

the 92mm in my btx case is nice and quiet

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HeMan:

i think they are around 16 db

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xris:

and the 80mm on my zalman vga cooler is completely silent

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armand:

how did you get a quiet 80mm fan

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sapbeast:

yeah i have a zalman vga cooler on my ti4600 in the mythbox, its insane quiet

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kormoc:

armand, you buy a quiet 80 mm fan and you get a quiet 80 mm fan? :P

[21:19:24]

armand:

kthnxplzdrivethru!

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armand:

set myself up for that one :)

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I'm a mythtv newb – just ordered a couple PVR250s and some mini-itx stuff this weeked – and would like to know how much bandwidth I'd need to stream live tv from a backend to frontend running on another computer. Anyone have experience with this?

[21:19:46]

armand:

sdtv or hdtv and what bitrate

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xris:

totally OT, but needs coverage: http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id . . . 5ZyQ&t=1

[21:20:18]

ficusplanet:

armand: SDTV, not sure about the bitrate – whatever the default would be.

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armand:

ficusplanet: you're looking at 6–8mbit depending on your personal preference

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armand:

ficusplanet: 802.11g is fine

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sapbeast:

reference pic of my video card, the fans died after a few years http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/ltg . . . sidelite.htm

[21:21:12]

ficusplanet:

armand: Awesome. That exactly what I wanted to know – wanted to be able to stream from the living room to the kitchen on a laptop. Thanks.

[21:21:26]

armand:

ficusplanet: yup yup, throught so, no problemo :) i do the same

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armand:

and tv in the bathroom

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armand:

(heh)

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sapbeast:

xris: its already been shot down

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sapbeast:

the bill to maintain network neutrality was defeated last week

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xris:

sapbeast: in committee

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xris:

telcos are still pushing for it

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sapbeast:

dont get me wrong i think its disgusting myself

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xris:

I thought it was defeated, too.. just figured that moveon knows more about the status of the bill than I do

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j3g:

anyone know which config option gets the kernel to compile cx25840? ivtv documentation says it no longer includes it as it should come with newer kernels

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kormoc:

xris, it was defeated in the bad way...

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sapbeast:

it would be under the v4l drivers j3g

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sapbeast:

should be under the same menu

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kormoc:

xris, the bill was to enforce network neutrality, and it failed to pass

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xris:

kormoc: ahh, that makes sense why the petition is being pushed

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mythica:

Hi guys, I am trying to get my remote working

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mythica:

lirc is loaded

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mythica:

and irw is showing input

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armand:

you're 95% done

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sapbeast:

xris: simple measure to make them re-think it... remove thier common carrier status and make them responsible for everything that comes down thier pipe... dont think they would want to push that then

[21:26:06]

mythica:

but in myth its dead... I tried loading the lircrc file or whatever and restarting myth from googling but its still not working

[21:26:42]

sapbeast:

mythica: i had to figure this out yesterday, you need to setup your ~/.mythtv/lircrc file to use mythtv as the program name

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sapbeast:

instead of irwhatever

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sapbeast:

(assuming you compiled mythtv with lirc support)

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mythica:

hmm, could you ellaborate?

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sapbeast:

lemme look at mine

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mythica:

i think i did... how do you check ?

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armand:

ldd `whereis mythfrontend` |grep lirc

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armand:

you should see stuff

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armand:

if you dont

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armand:

then its not

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sapbeast:

mythica i sent you a pm

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armand:

alot of people get messed up because myth expects it to be in ~/.mythtv/lircrc whereas most programs (like xine) want it to be at ~/.lircrc

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armand:

so i just made a symlink..

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mythica:

ldd: ./mythfrontend:: No such file or directory & liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5fcc000) & liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5fd4000)

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mythica:

sapbeast, I dont see any pm's from you?

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armand:

at least you put it in one line, thanks

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kormoc:

ldd `which mythfrontend` |grep lirc

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kormoc:

?

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mythica:

lol :p

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sapbeast:

mythica: what was that site to paste text for people?

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kormoc:

sapbeast, pastebin.ca, in the topic

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mythica:

that returns: liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5ef4000)

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sapbeast:

nevermind i found it

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armand:

oops

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armand:

whereis'll work too albeit a few more outputs from symlinks :)

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armand:

maybe i should read what i type before i hit enter. =]

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kormoc:

hehe

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mythica:

does that mean my myth has lirc support ?

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sapbeast:

mythica: http://pastebin.com/693110

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mythica:

thansk

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sapbeast:

that is my lircrc file for my pvr-150 usb remote

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mythica:

thanks*

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mythica:

checking it now

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mythica:

i have pvr-350, prolly the same remote though hey?

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sapbeast:

(you have to make sure the button commands match whats being output by say irw or your lircd.conf file!)

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mythica:

so it should work ?

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sapbeast:

you will need to get the one for the pvr-350 remote i dont think its usb

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sapbeast:

thats just to give you an idea of what to do

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sapbeast:

you need to change where it says button= whatever

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sapbeast:

to what your remote is outputting

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mythica:

k

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mythica:

thanks

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sapbeast:

like if you push the number 0 and you get 0, change it to 0 (mine says zero so i have to spell zero)

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sapbeast:

it took me hours to figure it out yesterday it was that one stupid thing

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armand:

lirc was the hardest part to setup for me

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armand:

trial and error trial and error

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armand:

girlfriend would hate the key assignemnts and tell me to change them

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mythica:

hmm, sorry im not understanding

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armand:

think it was a 1 or even 2 week ordeal

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mythica:

how would i check ? using irw?

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sapbeast:

yeah i spent a few hours setting up lircd to begin with... i was using the wrong drive the entire time

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sapbeast:

yeah use irw, like say if you press the stop button what does it say?

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mythica:

00000000000017b6 00 Stop Hauppauge_350

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sapbeast:

apparently my remote needed the lirc_mceusb2 and NOT the lirc_mceusb driver (arrrrgh! portage didnt say so!)

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armand:

stop isnt even bound on my remote hehe.. gf wanted 'exit' to be stop heh

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mythica:

so i goto that part in the lircrc file, but what do i change exacylu?

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mythica:

exactly*

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sapbeast:

lemme see

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mythica:

armand, damn girls! so demanding!

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armand:

she was a pain the first week this was setup

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armand:

now she cant live without it

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armand:

heh

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sapbeast:

should be the same (read down where it says button=Stop and then config=O)

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mythica:

prog = mythtv

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mythica:

& button = Stop & config = O

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mythica:

so what should I set that to ?

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sapbeast:

yep... meaning when you push Stop it pushes the O key in mthtv

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sapbeast:

no its fine where it is

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armand:

button = irw/lirc

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armand:

config = the keypress that button corresponds to

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sapbeast:

so say for example if your Stop button on the remote said Snuffleufegas in irw

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sapbeast:

you would set that in the lircrc file instead of Stop :p

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mythica:

oh ok

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mythica:

so this config, should sort of work in myth now right ?

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sapbeast:

your just mapping what irw/lircd is outputting to the mythtv shortcut keys (i know it took me a few hours to realize this myself)

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sapbeast:

yeah just pop it in ~/.mythtv and see what happens

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mythica:

currently it is in: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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mythica:

is that right

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sapbeast:

that should be correct, if your running as the mythtv user for the frontend

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armand:

you should also symlink it to /home/mythtv/.lircrc just incase you use a prog like xine or mplayer

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armand:

ln -s /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc /home/mythtv/.lircrc

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mythica:

armand, i did that already :)

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mythica:

oh, i was running frontend as root... where should it be then ?

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sapbeast:

well at least try to watch a pre-recorded show hit stop and see if it... stops :p

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armand:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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armand:

:)

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sapbeast:

it would be /root/.mythtv/lircrc as an absolute path

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mythica:

cool thanks

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sapbeast:

it looks to the home dir of what user is running mythfrontend (i do not use root myself, my normal non-root user does it)

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mythica:

shweet

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mythica:

its working

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mythica:

thanks guys]

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sapbeast:

damn nice

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sapbeast:

keep in mind you may have to change a few things but i imagine maybe not too much? i know the built in ir remotes are different than the mce usb one that comes with the pvr-150

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mythica:

how do you make the main menu fonts smaller?

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mythica:

I tried chaning the font sizes in appearance, but they wont change, only the other stuff

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mythica:

also where do you select OSD theme ?

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sapbeast:

if i was sitting in front of my mythbox i could tell you (im still at work on vnc)

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xris:

mythica: appearance config in the frontend

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xris:

probably tv -> appearance

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mythica:

sapbeast, cool thanks

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mythica:

xris, let me check there, thanks

[21:50:29]

mythica:

xris, what style menu do you have i am using the classic or whatever

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mythica:

xris, i checked under setup > appearance but cant find anything?

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sapbeast:

actually i wonder if someone knows this... pvr-whatever cards stupport dbx stereo right? i dont think any of my recorded programs have working stereo though...

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xris:

mythica: setup->tv->appearance

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mythica:

xris, what version u using? I dont get that

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mythica:

closest i got is utilities > setup > tv settings

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mythica:

or utilities > setup > appearance

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xris:

mythica: and inside of that......?

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xris:

should be some kind of appearance (maybe general) inside of tv

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mythica:

k

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** kormoc remembers that he wanted to wiki the entire menu **

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robthebob:

mythica, you have to edit the theme .xml files AFAIK

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mythica:

im under appearance but can find nowhere to change the OSD

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robthebob:

at least i couldnt find another way

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robthebob:

it is quite easy though

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mythica:

robin_, oh ok

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mythica:

lemme do that

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mythica:

and where do i set the OSD ?

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mythica:

(OSD Theme)

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kormoc:

robthebob, no, there is a menu option somewhere with the osd themes

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robthebob:

kormoc, is this svn?

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mythica:

i think he was talking about the main menu font sizes kormov

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kormoc:

no, 0.18+ had it.

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robthebob:

and also are we talking about just small/big or more fine-grained

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robthebob:

?

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

robthebob, the OSD theme is what I'm talking bout, not the menu size

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mythica:

just smaller

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mythica:

the main items are massive

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robthebob:

oh sorry kormoc of course you're right, i thought he wanted to change the OSD text sizes

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robthebob:

check the xml, this link should help you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

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mythica:

cool – i found the OSD

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mythica:

will that allow me to alter the main menu text size?

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mythica:

robthebob, that osd.xml file is obviously only for osd right? I want to change the main menu's text size

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robthebob:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes/Iulius/ui.xml, for example mythica

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robthebob:

but yes, you are right for that file

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mythica:

thanks bud

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mythica:

wow its huge, no idea where the main menu section would be ?

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robthebob:

im sorry not sure on that on

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robthebob:

*one

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robthebob:

should be in there somewhere though

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robthebob:

or (sorry, unhelpful) there may be a default file that it isnt overriding

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robthebob:

all the ones i wanted to change were in there though

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mythica:

cool i think i sorted everything there, thanks guy

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mythica:

guys*

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sapbeast:

now setup your schedule to record EWTN 24/7!

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mythica:

EWTN?

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mythica:

Im from south africa :P whats that?

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sapbeast:

oh you dont get that channel there sorry

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sapbeast:

was trying to make a joke :p

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mythica:

hehe

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mythica:

what is EWTN?

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sapbeast:

probably the scariest channel on the US cable lineup

[22:17:41]

sapbeast:

www.ewtn.com

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mythica:

Eternal Word Television Network, Global Catholic Network

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mythica:

hahah

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mythica:

= lol

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sapbeast:

whats even worse is its like channel 98 here

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xris:

I thought that byutv was scarrier.

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mythica:

we get some serious crap here

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mythica:

the kind that makes your mind recoil in horror

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Juski:

it could be worse

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Juski:

could be Fox news

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mythica:

haha

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sapbeast:

i think cnn, fox news and msnbc are banned on my channel lineup

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sapbeast:

in fact if i try to change to it, my computer resets

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struct:

greetings

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sapbeast:

then explodes... in that order

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** xris wonders how many (american) conservatives there are in this channel... **

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Juski:

I've seen some of their rhetoric – that's scarier than any god channel

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struct:

xris: as opposed to (american) liberals?

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xris:

struct: well, the political climate of this channel tends to the left

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Juski:

yes xris – I forgot – I have to respect the views of everybody, no matter how mad they are

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mythica:

could someone here point me in the right direction; to get local za channels i have to load this script into xmltv

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xris:

not that I mind. but as a moderator, I tend to wonder how many people we're offending.

[22:22:19]

mythica:

http://www.tangent.co.za/~chrisp/tv_grab_za

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** hashbang doesn't believe in 2D politics **

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struct:

xris: the political climate of most channels tends to the left

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mythica:

i have loaded xmltv and the xmltv gui, but have no idea what to do now

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sapbeast:

xris: im both left and right and i could care less... i try to avoid the whole problem by letting people who classify themselves are liberal or conservative fight out out while those of us who are moderates sip lemonade

[22:23:07]

xris:

I mean, I know that Beirdo is a raging conservative... but he's canadian so he's still pretty far to the left.

[22:23:13]

struct:

I tend to the right severly but each person should make their own choice

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struct:

I dont put my views on others

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Juski:

we had one guy on the forum asking if there was any way to incorporate v-chip stuff into mythtv :-/ he exploded when I suggested that he do the parental control himself

[22:23:27]

struct:

its up to each person to make up their own mind

[22:23:39]

hashbang:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

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xris:

sapbeast: see, I'm on the FAR left... I tend toward green+socialist.

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xris:

Juski: we get vchip info from zap2it

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Juski:

anyway everything I say is only IMHO

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xris:

dunno if myth's parental stuff works with it

[22:24:35]

kormoc:

right now it doesn't, afaik

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Juski:

he was talking about the commercial thing that 'seamlessly' skips cuss words on DVDs & stuff

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** hashbang is left-libertarian, but has more in common with right-libertarians than authoritarians of any persuasion. **

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xris:

Juski: ahhh...

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mythica:

i believe this calls for chris rocks quote:

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mythica:

http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug-politics . . . /000009.html

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sapbeast:

xris: i just think its pointless though getting into it too deeply, we know that fox news is more conservative and that cnn is more liberal... but people have a choice to watch either (Or neither, in my case) and it doesnt really bother me over political views

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Juski:

if you dont like swearing, don't watch The Godfather

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sapbeast:

the godfather? hell dont watch deadwood

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sapbeast:

your ears will EXPLODE

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xris:

sapbeast: I tend to find all of them conservative (mainly because the liberal stations tend to at least TRY to be balanced)... if that gives you an idea about my views. but yeah, arguing about politics sucks.

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** kormoc would be rather amused by Mr. Rock's gun control. **

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sapbeast:

i dont think i could watch pulp fiction without the f-bomb

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sapbeast:

it just doesnt seem to be the same to me

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sapbeast:

i.e. when its on broadcast tv its like "what the hell am i watching?"

[22:27:41]

sapbeast:

it depends on the movie though... i have shawshank redemption on vhs and being an r-rated movie there actually isnt that much that you miss in teh broadcast cut

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hashbang:

xris: also, the US is WAAY off in the right-authoritarian corner, compared with most of the rest of the world. So even US-ian big-L Liberals are quite reactionary compared with progressives elsewhere.

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kormoc:

hashbang, I donno bout that, there are lots of places more 'right-wing' then the us.

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struct:

The Godfather is a good movie

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hashbang:

kormoc: I said only a few lines ago that I don't believe in 2D politics.

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xris:

Iran comes to mind...

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hashbang:

:-)

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kormoc:

Iran is a great example of a country that still lives in the past.

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sapbeast:

kormoc: past to us, present to them

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xris:

hashbang: the big problem that the US gov't has tried to turn itself into a 2d entity... eg. you can't vote R and expect many green-friendly results...

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hashbang:

Iran may be (extremely) socially conservative, but it doesn't strike me as particularly right-wing, economically.

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mythica:

could someone tell me how to configure xmltv ?

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kormoc:

sapbeast, sure, because they refuse to update their views. Did you know it's still illegal for a non persian woman to touch a persian man in Iran? it's a jailable offence.

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hashbang:

Whereas modern Russia and China are probably more right-wing than the US, economically.

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xris:

mythica: generally you just run it

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mythica:

here is my perl script :http://www.tangent.co.za/~chrisp/tv_grab_za

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kormoc:

ahh, if you're just gonna look at economics, then yeah, Iran isn't the best example.

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mythica:

how would i load that into xmltv exactly?

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xris:

kormoc: I think he was pointing out that it's not a 2d thing.

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hashbang:

kormoc: well, if you conflate economics with social policy into a 2D view, you get a very odd view of the world.

[22:31:28]

xris:

anyway, anyone know how to help mythica here and be on topic?

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Juski:

mythica: tv_grab_za is just a script which will output a file in xmltv format

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mythica:

oh ok

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mythica:

so what would i need to do exactly? Setup a cron job to run that file ?

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Juski:

but if you run it with certain options it will let you configure it to use the channels you prefer

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mythica:

hmm

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mythica:

could you ellaborate, i am pretty lost atm

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Juski:

the best way – if it's available in mythtv, is to set mythtv to use that script in mythtv-setup

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struct:

I would say one of the major problems is tolerance

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Juski:

it will then run the configuration stage of the script, mythica

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xris:

struct: tolerance and (most) religions don't go along well together.

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Juski:

mythica: at that point you usually tell the script which channels you want it to grab – it'll store your preferences in a text file which will be used in future

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Juski:

then when you run mythfilldatabase, myth will insert the channels you have chosen into the database before going off & running the _za script

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Juski:

you can then set up mythfilldatabase to run as a cron job or automagically in a setup menu of mythtv

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mythica:

aah ok i think i understand now, thanks

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mythica:

but where do i start?

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Juski:

in mythtv-setup there's a page for 'video sources'.. it is there that you tell mythtv which xmltv grabber to use

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mythica:

oh ok

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Juski:

when you click 'finish' on the screen where you select the grabber, it'll run the config phase of the script you picked

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struct:

xris: I am referring to the liberals tolerance

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struct:

which I guess is a form of religion

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Juski:

btw I don't know if the _za script will work this way, but most do AFAIK

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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xris:

struct: huh?

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struct:

ok the idea of the world these days is that we should be tolerant of others

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mythica:

i dont get an option there for _za, so i assume i need to run the perl script?

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xris:

mythica: or edit xmltv so that it knows where to find your script

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mythica:

ok got it thanks mate

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struct:

tolerate homosexuals, abortion, muslims, etc...

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kormoc:

struct, yeah?

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kormoc:

yeah?

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kormoc:

struct, and you think that's wrong?

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struct:

well tolerate use to mean that you put up with someone

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struct:

but now it means not only do you put up with it you say its OK as well

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struct:

whereas for me I tolerate others but I do not believe what others do is right

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kormoc:

what's the point of tolerance if it's not okay for them do it?

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struct:

and I absolutely refuse to say its OK

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struct:

the way I figure it is like this

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** sapbeast soooooooooo steps out of this conversation, and its time to leave work anywasys **

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** kormoc blinks **

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struct:

I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe

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xris:

struct: I don't think so... I tolerate abortion but don't think it's right (most of the time)

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struct:

I accept you for who you are and what you believe

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struct:

but I dont have to agree with it

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kormoc:

I think there's a different between 'okay' and 'right'

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struct:

but if you believe in what you believe why do you care what I think?

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xris:

struct: that's "tolerance" vs "acceptance"

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kormoc:

I think tolerance involves with it being okay

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kormoc:

but not always right

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hashbang:

kormoc: sometimes even only 'least bad'

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struct:

a lot of people I run into they just cant handle the fact that I think they are going to eternal death without God

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struct:

but hey muslims believe the same thing about me and thats fine with me

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xris:

struct: I had a girlfriend like that once

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struct:

I have hindu friends who believe im bound for eternal death but we are still friends

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xris:

struct: actually, muslims have nothing against christians.. still going to heaven, just not the best part of it

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struct:

what do I care what they think

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xris:

now, muslims and buddhists/hindus.....

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hashbang:

struct: you're welcome to believe that all us godless heathens are damned for all eternity, but please don't go telling us that over and over. :-)

[22:42:22]

kormoc:

struct, do you tell gays that they are going to burn and all that?

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struct:

however a lot of people that I run into who preach tolerance do not tolerate me and my beliefs yet they require me to tolerate everything else

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struct:

which I find a little disturbing and hypocritical

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struct:

kormoc: no I dont tell them that

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struct:

kormoc: unless they ask me what I think

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xris:

struct: that's why religion and tolerance don't go so well together, esp. when it comes to politics

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kormoc:

struct, then in my mind, you are doing what I consider tolerance, and while it's not right to you, you're still saying it's socially okay, which is the goal.

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xris:

religion is about absolutes.

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struct:

kormoc: and of course if a gay person comes on to me I dont scream at them and tell them they are bound for eternal death either but I just tell them I am not homosexual and to not do that

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struct:

kormoc: its not ok though

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grantm:

o_0

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xris:

eg. there is ONE God (which the bible doesn't actually say, btw)....

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grantm:

I picked an interesting time to join

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struct:

kormoc: I believe its wrong

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struct:

xris: there is a triune God

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Juski:

religion == root of all evil, end of story

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kormoc:

struct, sure, I even said that, but socially (not morally), it's okay.

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struct:

Juski: I am not religious

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xris:

struct: for the jews, yes.

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kormoc:

struct, there's a difference between morals and social morality.

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Juski:

there's not enough spirituality in the world

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xris:

and his wife.

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struct:

whose wife?

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xris:

god's

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struct:

heh

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xris:

you should read the OT some time.

[22:45:28]

hashbang:

Juski: I'd say that ego is the root of all evil, and religion is just sometimes abused in order to get the masses to fall in line with the plan.

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struct:

no where in the OT have I read that God had a wife

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struct:

I would like to see where it says that though

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xris:

would have to dig through my old notes....

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struct:

xris: dig away

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xris:

judaism evolved in a polytheistic world... commandments don't even say you can't worship other gods... as long as THE god is first.

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kormoc:

I still like the first commandment, have no other god before me. If there are no other gods, how can you have one before 'god'?

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hashbang:

xris: heh. good point. :-)

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xris:

kormoc: exactly

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struct:

xris: thats off base

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xris:

would have to dig through my grad school notes to find the references to God's wife... I don't know if she's referenced direcly in the OT, or if it was in the Torah or one of the other jewish books

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struct:

xris: the Bible says you shall have no other gods before God that means no worship of anyone but God himself

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xris:

struct: that's a misreading of the hebrew.

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hashbang:

kormoc: I'd say a lot of Abrahamic-religionists put Mammon before YHWH anyway.

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struct:

kormoc: because man makes other gods

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struct:

kormoc: idolitry

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xris:

the christians tore apart the jewish books to change the focus to point at the christ (who, btw is *not* the same person as the "son of god")

[22:48:37]

Juski:

false/pop idols :-P

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kormoc:

struct, no, idolitry is a different commandment.

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xris:

struct: catholics are idolaters...

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kormoc:

struct, it says stright out no other god, not no other idol

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xris:

er, Catholics... (not to be confused with the other meaning of catholic with lower-case c)

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xris:

kormoc: the emphasis is on "before me"

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Juski:

what;s the other meaning?

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xris:

Juski: catholic means "universal"

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** hashbang was brought up Catholic, but isn't any more. **

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xris:

Catholic refers to the Roman Catholic Church

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hashbang:

I'm pretty sure that the statues you'll find in RC churches are only meant to *remind* worshippers of the acts of saints etc.

[22:50:27]

hashbang:

rather than being venerated as literal saints/gods.

[22:50:53]

hashbang:

but I gather the latter view is somewhat propagated amongst some protestant churches.

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xris:

hashbang: of course... but they're still considered to be idols by many people, both christian and muslim.

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xris:

was just pointing out that it's a pretty grey area

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struct:

kormoc: yes no other god meaning the worship of any other creatures

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xris:

muslims are so concerned about the no-idols bit that they rarely even allow ANY human form in their artwork...

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kormoc:

struct, other then the text doesn't say that?

[22:52:13]

xris:

struct: you're missing the point... "No other god BEFORE ME"...

[22:52:14]

kormoc:

struct, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521662354/1 . . . amp;n=283155

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xris:

doesn't say "don't worship other gods"... says "worship me FIRST"

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kormoc:

struct, in anycase, there's a book that goes into the history of God's Wife, Asherah.

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** hashbang is a confirmed scientific, rationalist, agnostic. ;-) **

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xris:

hashbang: wish I could define what I am

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struct:

the Bible also says whatever you do do it to the glory of God

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struct:

not the glory of other gods

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kormoc:

uhh, actually that's to the glory of Yahweh, a specifc god

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Juski:

more importantly perhaps, what does the wiki say?

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xris:

I've studied christianity (my dad's a lutheran pastor) for most of my life, and buddhism, hinduism, jainism, christianity, judaism and islam in college.

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xris:

lol

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hashbang:

(though I'd have to own up to being 'socially Catholic', in the same way you get non-religious Jews)

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xris:

hashbang: yeah, I'm culturally lutheran... no way to escape it. I like potlucks. :)

[22:54:27]

hashbang:

xris: culturally, even. That was the word I was thinking of.

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xris:

mother of a friend of mine always described herself as "Catholic Irish"... as opposed to "Irish Catholic"

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hashbang:

xris: indeed. I tried for years to rip it out, but it's impossible without losing a part of oneself.

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kormoc:

struct, check out Exodus 15, 11, ""Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?"

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kormoc:

among the gods, plural

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xris:

we should probably stop the religious discussion, though. it's not going anywhere, and people are just going to get upset at each other....

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struct:

look you cant just say God says no other gods before Him

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struct:

He says much more then that

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hashbang:

xris: and, ultimately, it'll be what other people regard me as, regardless of what I regard myself as.

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kormoc:

struct, first commandment...

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struct:

you guys are reading one verse and taking it out of context to fit whatever it is you are trying to say

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xris:

struct: I spent years studying this stuff.. the English is out of context....

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struct:

if you read the whole passage I really dont see how the point is not clear

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maniacxs:

hi, for the linuxtag we are going to a 16:9 TV. there seems to be a problem with aspect ratio. when using the setting fill or 4:3 zoom and pressing pause the picture drops down (size of the lower black bar) any ideas how to fix? quick and dirty is ok, too.

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mythica:

I see there is already a tv_grab_za in the /usr/bin — but its broken, how would I go about replacing this new working script with that old broken one ?

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struct:

xris: ok so read it in hebrew and it the point is still clear

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xris:

the Torah is rife with polytheism.

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Juski:

16:9 ? If I'd known that I'd have made my video <<wide>>

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struct:

I cant believe 2.6.16.12 is out already

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maniacxs:

Juski: 4:3 is ok

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Sedorox:

anyone have problems building mythtv against 2.6.16 headers?

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mythica:

nm – think i worked it out

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maniacxs:

we have to use different TVs for different things, because of the GEMA (The people, that want to have money) ;)

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hashbang:

Sedorox: your kernel headers should match the version of the kernel that your glibc was compiled against, not the present version of the kernel you're running.

[22:58:43]

maniacxs:

it's in livetv

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kormoc:

struct, the first commandment in hewbew is more akin to Kha Key loh e Adonai Khee no ah, which is, I the LORD, God of you. the main issue is Adonai is extra and isn't really required in that context unless there was some need to also express the fact that he is the one above something else.

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** struct updates his kernels **

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Sedorox:

I believe I've recompiled glibc since then...

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Sedorox:

but... I guess I'll do it again to make sure

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Sedorox:

actually. I can find out :p

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Sedorox:

ah... guess its time to rebuild glibc...

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hashbang:

Sedorox: why?

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mythica:

ok so i got the script to generate a whole crap load of stuff into an xml file

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mythica:

now where do i put it :p ?

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hashbang:

Sedorox: all I said was that you shouldn't go upgrading the contents of /usr/include/linux just because you're running a newer kernel.

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struct:

kormoc: I fail to see how that is much different then saying thou shalt have no other gods before Me

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Sedorox:

because I upgraded headers...

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mythica:

and i only retrieved the data for 30 days, should I setup a cron job to run it every 30 days or what?

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Sedorox:

I know.. but I updated gentoo to linux-headers-2.6.16..

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Sedorox:

(yes.. I live on the wild side :p)

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hashbang:

Sedorox: just put 'em back the way they were.

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kormoc:

struct, the issue is the fact that he is speaking of other gods, if none existed, why bring it up when the second commandment deals with the man created 'gods'?

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Sedorox:

meh

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struct:

kormoc: other man made gods did exist and were worshipped by other nations at the time

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** struct cant wait for new 24 episode tonight **

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kormoc:

struct, the fact of the matter is, the word isn't talking about man made gods...

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struct:

kormoc: ok what then?

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kormoc:

struct, heem lo e kha l' yeh yeeh lo nahy pa al reem khe ah, to you, shall now have my face beside other gods

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kormoc:

commandment #2.

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mythica:

how do I add my tv_grab_za to the listing under myth video source?

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xris:

struct: you have to keep in mind that ancient judaism evolved in a polytheistic world. YHWH was not the only god, he was the tribal god of a nomadic people.

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kormoc:

struct, "heem lo e" refers to man made gods, rather then the 'real' gods of "kha key"

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asterboy:

can the mtv control a digital cable box?

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xris:

It was Paul who spread his form of christianity to the gentile world, claiming that this Jewish God had grown upset with his previous worshipers.... Muslims don't hate christians for what they believe.. they *do* hate Paul, though, for corrupting Jesus' true message (which to them speaks of the coming of Islam)

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xris:

asterboy: not directly, but it can with lirc

[23:06:32]

asterboy:

ah, that's what I was hoping.

[23:06:33]

xris:

mythica: you may have to join the xmltv mailing list and ask

[23:06:35]

asterboy:

thanks

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struct:

kormoc: well whatever gods spoken of should not come before God Himself according to the text

[23:06:42]

xris:

asterboy: is it an HD box?

[23:06:54]

asterboy:

no

[23:07:29]

mythica:

surely there is a way to just slip it in there?

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mythica:

or since i have generated my guide xml file cant i just put that somewhere within myth ?

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kormoc:

struct, correct, and the issue is that line admits that there are more then one 'real' god, Sure, God is the main god of the christians, but that passage admits that there are other real gods for other people.

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xris:

asterboy: HD upgrade will get you a firewire port with a pure digital stream.. and if it's the right box (motorola dtc-6200) you can control it over the firewire

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asterboy:

that's good to know.

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struct:

kormoc: and those are false gods and will lead you to distruction

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kormoc:

struct, I would really recommend that you do study the hebrew, it's rather enlightening to say the least. It's amazing how different the english translations are comapired to the real text.

[23:08:42]

xris:

kormoc: s/christians/jews/ — the paulian interpretation of that line ignores the polytheistic notations

[23:08:43]

asterboy:

before I go HD, I'll need an HD TV

[23:08:53]

mythica:

ah here we go: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . /101759.html

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asterboy:

sounds like the standards for HD are in major flux

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mythica:

"outputting to a file and run mythfilldatabase using that file."

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struct:

kormoc: I have studied the hebrew and greek as well

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mythica:

how do i tell mythfilldatabase to use that file ?

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struct:

kormoc: and I have not read anything that would cause me to loose faith

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xris:

kormoc and struct: you should both read http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345384563 — it covers some (though not all) of this conversation... good book, too

[23:09:49]

kormoc:

struct, actually, no where does it every call them false gods, 'ker sha hey'

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kormoc:

*ever

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xris:

asterboy: it's not just for the HD, but for the digital access to the non-hd channels

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struct:

kormoc: I believe there is one true God

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** xris thinks he should put an end to this conversation before it becomes an argument.... **

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o xris

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mythica:

aah found it – I need to use --file option i think

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kormoc:

heh

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asterboy:

+xris, ah...good point

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struct:

which means I am about to be banned I suppose

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xris:

struct: no

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asterboy:

God is a made up word

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asterboy:

for the insecure

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xris:

mainly because I'm lazy and would have to look up how to do a 5 minute ban.

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struct:

asterboy: we will see

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asterboy:

every war in the world has been caused by belief in God(s)

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struct:

xris: im sure the ban would be directed my way even though I have tried to drop the subject

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xris:

the conversation has devolved into an argument of belief... no one wins those, and they annoy me.

[23:12:56]

** Majestik_ wonders if this channel ever stays on "topic" :) **

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struct:

xris: which is why I have tried to drop it

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asterboy:

lol

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xris:

struct: if I banned you, I'd do kormoc, too... and he's sitting 15 feet away from me.

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struct:

xris: if you say so I believe you

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** struct goes back to kernels **

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kormoc:

Yeah, xris is a fair judge.

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struct:

well if I did get banned I would have to find my way back in to talk about mythtv

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xris:

struct: you'd have to be REALLY REALLY REALLY annoying to get a permaban...

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struct:

so you either ban a whole country to keep me out or dont ban me at all

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xris:

and even then people like kazan manage to get redeemed eventually

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asterboy:

@xris is God

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** Majestik thinks xris might ban him for slacking too much on the man pages :) **

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struct:

and then there is always tor

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struct:

you would get so tired of banning so many ips

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xris:

anyway, I'm happy to talk about religion.. but when people start getting defensive, it's gone too far.

[23:15:38]

struct:

ask #mandriva

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kormoc:

actually, tor is rather unwelcome on freenode at the moment.

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struct:

they know

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struct:

:)

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xris:

struct: that's what hostmasks are for

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asterboy:

well anyone with a + or @ in the nick

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struct:

xris: hostmasks can change

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Juski:

oh hell now it's gonna be an argument about banning...

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asterboy:

lol

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struct:

hehe

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kormoc:

/kickban *@* Argument over

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xris:

heh

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struct:

cant we just get along?

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Juski:

yay!

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** xris goes back to the paying work **

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asterboy:

ok, does mvpmc work with .19 of mtv?

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struct:

so excited about 24 tonight

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asterboy:

Anyone here using mvpmc?

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Juski:

yeh the last 2 episodes have been duds I think, struct

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asterboy:

What are the more common mtv frontends?

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Juski:

PC, xbox, mac-mini

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asterboy:

interesting

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Juski:

asterboy: GreyFoxx & a few others use the MVP

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** xris was wondering what music video tv had to do with this... **

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Juski:

I can confirm it'll work with 0.19

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Juski:

though I don't own such a thing

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asterboy:

oh sweet

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asterboy:

but it does *not* do scheduling right?

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Juski:

the MVP forum thingy should tell you so

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Juski:

asterboy: I dunno

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asterboy:

ah, found the forum thingy

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asterboy:

http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=103474

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asterboy:

oh and *no* mpeg4

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Juski:

it doesn't have mpeg4 decoding in hardware, that's why

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asterboy:

ok, so that will be the only disadvantage.

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asterboy:

and if you can't do scheduling

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Juski:

not being able to schedule is quite a biggie

[23:24:17]

asterboy:

but pretty cheap front end

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asterboy:

My scheduling can be done at the server. Once I pick my shows, I rarely have to change them.

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asterboy:

Is it a good idea to seperate the front and back ends?

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** fozi uses mythweb for scheduling **

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asterboy:

Or is the performance gain worth it?

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Juski:

depends... if you can't afford to make a system quiet, go for separate boxen

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asterboy:

guess some people want the system as quiet as possible for peek listening.

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Juski:

my frontend is totally silent, and didn't cost much to make

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Juski:

and it's diskless

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Juski:

well – it's silent except for when the dvd drive spins up for a few seconds when you first put a disc in

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xris:

asterboy: depends on what you want... my old p4 works great for a fe+be server.. has for years.

[23:35:37]

asterboy:

I just picked up an IBM P4 1.8GHz 256Mb for <$100 USD

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asterboy:

Was thinking of using that

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Juski:

forum post about putting downloaded tv episodes into mythtv's recorded programs list deleted!

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asterboy:

Has only 3 PCI slots I was going to populate with 3 250s Cards

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kormoc:

asterboy, get 150's rather then 250's if you don't have them already

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kormoc:

asterboy, or get 500's and double your tuner inputs

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asterboy:

why the 150s? they don't have hardware decode

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xris:

neither do 250's

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mythica:

when i try to watch tv the frontend is producing this:

[23:37:15]

mythica:

Easier. http://miranda-im.org")

[23:37:15]

mythica:

mythica "outputting to a file and run mythfilldatabase using that file."

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mythica:

struct kormoc: I have studied the hebrew and greek as well

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mythica:

mythica how do i tell mythfilldatabase to use that f

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mythica:

whoops

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xris:

and still, you'd only need a single 350 for decoding

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** asterboy checks ... **

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mythica:

RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502013537.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502013537.mpg'.

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mythica:

thats what its outputting

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xris:

mythica: run: file /var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502013537.mpg

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vasudeva:

i think i've got a dead hard drive. it's clicking pretty loudly about once a second on bootup, then the boot halts. it's part of a two-disk LVM volume group spanning ~450MB formatted in XFS. do i have any recovery options?

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vasudeva:

er, ~450GB.

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mythica:

/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060501001622.mpg: data

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xris:

vasudeva: not for a boot drive, no

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vasudeva:

xris: i was afraid of that.

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kormoc:

well, can boot off of a recovery cd/floppy, but xfs is really hard to recover bad data

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vasudeva:

so the data is lost on both drives, then?

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vasudeva:

i wasn't sure if the partition table was maybe copied onto the second disk, and how LVM might interact with that...

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mythica:

seems like it cant write to that file...

[23:41:10]

mythica:

but its running as root?

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kormoc:

vasudeva, you're best bet is to boot off of a recovery disk with lvm tools, and try to remove the drive from the lvm and fsck it, you /should/ get some data but it's gonna be rather random if it's good or complete

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xris:

vasudeva: the data that was on the first disk is still intact (if you striped, you're SOL)... just a matter of getting at it. problem is, XFS can't downsize

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kormoc:

lvm will partly stripe at times, so a file is never garenteed to be entirely one one drive or the other

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kormoc:

(in normal jbod mode that is)

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asterboy:

ah, got it.

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asterboy:

It's an old PVR-250 Freestyle OEM with the 23415 chip, so it has a hardware encoder.

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vasudeva:

yeah, i wasn't doing anythign fancy. jbod.

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asterboy:

scared me for a sec there.

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kormoc:

asterboy, you said hardware decode, it still doesn't hardware decode :P

[23:44:44]

asterboy:

ah, yes, but I don't need decode...just want those so I have 3 inputs.

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mythica:

is this the default recodings directory : /var/lib/mythtv/1

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mythica:

/var/lib/mythtv/

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mythica:

sorry

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asterboy:

reduces the number of recording conflicts

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xris:

asterboy: yeah. 150 is better than 250

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xris:

unless of course you already have the 250

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asterboy:

what makes it better

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vasudeva:

so basically i'm screwed.

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asterboy:

the 150 won't encode

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xris:

asterboy: 150 has a getter chroma filter, costs about $35 less.. other than that they're identical

[23:48:41]

xris:

oh, and you can actually BUY a 150 now.. 250 hasn't been in production for ages.

[23:49:03]

asterboy:

http://www.diy-pvr-dvr-htpc.com/index.php/Dif . . . VR350_PVR500

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mythica:

still getting this when trying to watch live tv

[23:49:13]

mythica:

RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502014842.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502014842.mpg'

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asterboy:

good little page

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mythica:

any ideas>

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mythica:

The frontend is running as root

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asterboy:

is there a channel bot here?

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mythica:

and those files do exist

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asterboy:

~mythtv

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asterboy:

~faq

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** xris points at MythLogBot **

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xris:

asterboy: no functions like that

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asterboy:

is there a database of info?

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of xris... **

[23:50:30]

xris:

asterboy: of what info?

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asterboy:

like faq and links and acronyms

[23:50:45]

xris:

channel faq is in the topic, mythtv info is on the mythtv wiki

[23:51:11]

mythica:

what is the default recordings dir ?

[23:51:13]

mythica:

/var/lib/mythtv/ ?

[23:51:18]

asterboy:

in asterisk and lfs they have a handy bot for storing and retrieving info

[23:51:28]

xris:

mythica: wherever you tell it to be.. run mythtv-setup

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mythica:

yeah but what is it set to by default

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mythica:

cos i changed it to my own one, and then it didnt work so i tried changing it back

[23:52:04]

xris:

mythica: depends on your compile options.

[23:52:16]

xris:

asterboy: yeah, will here, too.. but Beirdo is getting married and moving to a new country (well, sort of — PR isn't a country).. hasn't had a lot of time to add new modules to the bot

[23:52:20]

asterboy:

what is the 150 going for now?

[23:52:26]

mythica:

xris, any idea what could be causing that ringbuf problem

[23:52:29]

mythica:

RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502014842.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060502014842.mpg'

[23:52:31]

xris:

asterboy: MCE version has been $60–70 for awhile

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xris:

mythica: did you do what I asked?

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mythica:

yes

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mythica:

mythica /var/lib/mythtv/1019_20060501001622.mpg: data

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xris:

ah, I see

[23:52:56]

xris:

yeah, corrupt file

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mythica:

hmm

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xris:

file should see it as mpeg data

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mythica:

yeah

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mythica:

what should i try do? remove them?

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xris:

mythica: only thing I can think of would be to just delete from from mythtv.

[23:54:04]

mythica:

delete what? The files?

[23:54:18]

mythica:

The only thing in the directory is "nfslockfile.lock" now

[23:54:22]

mythica:

wonder if thats the culprit?

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asterboy:

great info, thanks guys.

[23:54:29]

mythica:

should i rm its ass?

[23:56:08]

mythica:

hmm still broken

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mythica:

gonna try reboot?

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xris:

wow, amarok has a nice leak of some kind... it was using 70% of my cpu to play an mp3.... (3.4G p4)

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