Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 28th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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kormoc:

least it's not a one legged horse!

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mythicness:

how do i find the path to X source?

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HomeyDC:

Help! Somehow I got MythTV all set up but I missed a step where it downloads the program guide

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SlyChocobo:

Run mythsetup

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HomeyDC:

I have no program guide. And I am hunting through the docs trying to figure out if there is a command line command I should run to set that up

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HomeyDC:

ok

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kormoc:

or even mythfilldatabase

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SlyChocobo:

Well thats the next step

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kormoc:

which downloads program guide data

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SlyChocobo:

But if you dont have it setup correctly, that wont do anything :)

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SlyChocobo:

Well nothing helpfull

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HomeyDC:

Is it just mthsetup or is there a path? not working

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kormoc:

/usr/bin/mythtvsetup but usually /usr/bin is in your path

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: on some systems I've seen it as mythtvsetup

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HomeyDC:

I am using the knoppixmyth

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: What distro of linux are you talking about ?

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: Try "locate setup | grep myth"

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: I have to wonder how you "got MythTV all set up" :)

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HomeyDC:

wow... /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin — does that sound right

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: without knowing about mythtvsetup :)

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: nope

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HomeyDC:

The knoppxmyth CD is just plug and play

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HomeyDC:

drop it in and it does all of the work – that is why I got it.

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: I've never used it... I thought it was only plug and play for mythfrontend

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kormoc:

dscoular, that's right

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kormoc:

for a backend, it's not plug'n'play much at all

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HomeyDC:

backend meaning?

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kormoc:

HomeyDC, the thing that records the tv

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kormoc:

HomeyDC, the frontend plays, the backend records

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dscoular:

HomeyDC: mythtv is a client/server system

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HomeyDC:

This installed both

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kormoc:

Sure, but it's hardly setup...

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SlyChocobo:

Hm, is there a windows flavor of the Frontend?

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, nope

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SlyChocobo:

Doh

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SlyChocobo:

Should be! ;)

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, feel free to port it!

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SlyChocobo:

I can only program in java

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SlyChocobo:

And not very well ;)

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HomeyDC:

Hmmm... mythtv-setup cannot connect to X server.

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kormoc:

might want to start your x server up then

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dscoular:

SlyChocobo: people are working on a cygwin port and there is a rather dated version of another on sf.net (can't remember the name winmyth ? )

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kormoc:

dscoular, yeah, winmyth, but it's 0.17 or so only iirc

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** SlyChocobo nods **

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imperfect-:

Howdy

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dscoular:

exactly right, "dated" version

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HomeyDC:

OK. This command linke I am running looks like it is in the middle of X

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imperfect-:

do I need to be running MTD to get transcode to run after I record something?

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dscoular:

imperfect: not sure... I thought it was only required for mythvideo ripping.

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imperfect-:

well i didn't know

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imperfect-:

I told myth to transcode my recordings

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imperfect-:

but i can't find out where it's saving them ;_

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dscoular:

imperfect: It transcodes them in place!

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dscoular:

imperfect: your filesizes should have halved(ish)

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

hrm

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imperfect-:

interesting

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imperfect-:

it hasn't finished recording yet

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imperfect-:

maybe that matters

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** dscoular sighs **

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imperfect-:

well i had it do this with another recording previously

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imperfect-:

and it didnt transcode

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imperfect-:

i'm not lost ;)_

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imperfect-:

this one is about to finish, so it should commflag and then transcode, right?

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dscoular:

imperfect: it's configurable

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imperfect-:

right I told it to autodetect transcode and commflagg

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imperfect-:

Is there a way to get it to rename the files?

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imperfect-:

would I need to use the user job stuff?

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dscoular:

imperfect: look in the contrib directory (if you have the source) and you will find mythrename.pl and friends).

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kormoc:

imperfect-, why would you care about the file name?

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imperfect-:

incase I would like to use something besdies myth to watch

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imperfect-:

;)

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kormoc:

imperfect-, yeah, myth-rename is your friend then

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imperfect-:

gotcha

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

thanks

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imperfect-:

and yeah i built the fixes branch of .19 from subversion

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imperfect-:

is mythrename something i can use with a userprocess job?

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kormoc:

cron would be more likely to be right

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dscoular:

imperfect, you can use anything with a userprocess job

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imperfect-:

ah

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dscoular:

kormoc is right

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kormoc:

but yeah, you can userjob it if you wanted

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imperfect-:

so dont do it after each userjob?

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dscoular:

imperfect, it's for you to decide

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imperfect-:

just trying to get it right

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kormoc:

imperfect-, well, pick what's right for you :)

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imperfect-:

hehe

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imperfect-:

;_)

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imperfect-:

What's best practicies?

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imperfect-:

cron?

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kormoc:

more people likely cron it, aye

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** dscoular sigh **

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imperfect-:

i _love__ this thing

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imperfect-:

stop sighing in your arrogance!

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imperfect-:

It's irritating ;l)(

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** dscoular blush **

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** kormoc sighs :P **

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imperfect-:

damn you all!

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** imperfect- shakes his fist! **

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imperfect-:

tell me this; i'm using commflag for the first time

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imperfect-:

how good does it work?

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imperfect-:

is that well?

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kormoc:

depends on the channel/show/recording quality

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kormoc:

I've had as good as 100% and as bad as -20%

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dscoular:

I find the logo detection works better than most... but it's pretty average in Oz

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imperfect-:

damn ;)

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imperfect-:

Oh well

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imperfect-:

it just marks the video for skip, right?

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kormoc:

yup

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imperfect-:

it wont totally mess up the video?

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dscoular:

But it really doesn't matter too much since the FF and REW work so well

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imperfect-:

nod.. good

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dscoular:

imperfect, it's configurable you can have auto-skip or not... not is the go ;)

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imperfect-:

i have such hard times like

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imperfect-:

watching tv

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imperfect-:

so i figure this will be very handy to have

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imperfect-:

i can like look at my vault when i have time

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Z-Morek:

okay so I imported a dvd with mythdvd

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Z-Morek:

and I CANNOT find it

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Z-Morek:

I looked thru the settings and checked the temp folder and the mythvideo folder.... nothing

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Z-Morek:

I looked thru the sparse docs written on it... nothing

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imperfect-:

where does mythbackend log by default?

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Dug02:

I am not getting sound from my pcHDTV tuner card... does anyone have any suggestions on debugging this... I can see ntsc video and the tuner but no audio?

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kormoc:

imperfect-, somewhere in the log directory, usually /var/log/

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imperfect-:

yeah im there

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imperfect-:

i dont see it

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imperfect-:

i see my big mpg of the recording

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imperfect-:

but it hasnt been transcoded

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imperfect-:

;)_

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imperfect-:

it commflags

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imperfect-:

and then doesn't do anything

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** SlyChocobo watches myth compile **

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imperfect-:

yeah okay

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imperfect-:

transcode isn't working

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Z-Morek:

yeah and mythdvd isn't workin for me :-(

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imperfect-:

heh

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imperfect-:

there's noone here to help!

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imperfect-:

;)

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Z-Morek:

and every time I look away the dvd import DIES

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Z-Morek:

and says it's done

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Z-Morek:

but I CANNOT find the file

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imperfect-:

sure would love for it to work ;)

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Z-Morek:

anywhere

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imperfect-:

are you starting mtd ?

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Z-Morek:

daemon

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Z-Morek:

it's running

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Z-Morek:

unless ps is lying

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Z-Morek:

I don't even see a setting for where completed transcodes should be put

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Z-Morek:

and THAT bothers me

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Z-Morek:

then the mtd.log in /var/lib/mythtv/temp is blank

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Z-Morek:

something is probably misconfigured....

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Z-Morek:

not that I know what it is or how to configure it

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SlyChocobo:

Thank FREAK

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SlyChocobo:

Its finished compiling

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SlyChocobo:

Is it supposed to end in a Error 2 message?

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SlyChocobo:

Myhtmainwindow. Error 1

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SlyChocobo:

LEaving directory .../libs/libmythui

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SlyChocobo:

Meh Im sure its fine

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SlyChocobo:

Uh.. should I be getting 100's of "Undefined reference to Q...."

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SlyChocobo:

during make install?

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Beirdo:

uh, no

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SlyChocobo:

yay..

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Z-Morek:

anyone here successfully run mythdvd nd rip using the atrpm builds?

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Z-Morek:

because at about 4 minutes of ripping it just STOPS

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Z-Morek:

and says nothing to transcode

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Z-Morek:

and I cannot find where it's putting the files

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SlyChocobo:

Anyone know if Debian has a mythTV build?

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SlyChocobo:

I cant find any under the Stable tree, or unstable..

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CDev:

I am trying to compile MythTv on a fresh install of Fedora Core 5... I seem to be missing the GL/glu.h file (opengl?). Does anyone know what package I need to install to solve this problem?

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Z-Morek:

a channel of questions without answers

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Z-Morek:

awesome

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randy:

What FS do you guys recommend for me? I'll use LVM with 1) 500gb 1) 100gb and a few other small partition. I'd like to be able to add and remove disks so I need one with good resizing.

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dtm:

Z-Morek: you are of course welcome to shut up and/or get out.

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dtm:

randy: XFS is the ultimate

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dtm:

randy: do you have any experience with it

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dtm:

randy: it is virtually indestructable.

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Z-Morek:

dtm I'm just observing the nature of irc

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dtm:

SlyChocobo: yes it does but i have no idea about it

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dtm:

Z-Morek: no, you are not.

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dtm:

Z-Morek: you are observing the nature of your self centered and short attention span. that of a consumer.

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dtm:

not of a contributor

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Z-Morek:

dtm, I'm also a little on edge because I can't figure out how to fix this rig and I'm an utter noob

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Z-Morek:

so I'm complaining in the vain hope someone will help

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dtm:

CDev: xorg-x11-devel

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dtm:

CDev: also see rpmfind.net for such future inquiries

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CDev:

dtm: thanks... will give it a try

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CDev:

will do

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Z-Morek:

so I'll just shut up

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dtm:

Z-Morek: rtfm or read your configs!

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dtm:

or google it

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randy:

dtm: no experience with LVM, but I used xfs for a few years on my laptop- I lost all my data at the end, but that might have been my fault

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dtm:

heh :/

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dtm:

randy: lvm+xfs == awesome

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Z-Morek:

I tried to read the manual

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Z-Morek:

I tried to google

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dtm:

although i've never used lvm, only extensively researched it and talked with people

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Z-Morek:

there is very little out there in terms of mythdvd

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Z-Morek:

that I saw

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Z-Morek:

though I'm probably missing something

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randy:

dtm: where is the best tutorial for setting up lvm+xfs?

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CDev:

Tried google... nothing for fc5 that I could find that was specific to my problem. However, just tried freegult-devel and it solved my issue.

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Z-Morek:

I think I'll just light my rig on fire

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dtm:

CDev: ?!

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dtm:

CDev: what are you referring to

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dtm:

CDev: the answer to the question you asked was xorg-x11-devel

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CDev:

The missing GL/gul.h

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CDev:

I already had xorg-x11-devel

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dtm:

!!!

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dtm:

interesting.

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dtm:

i dont have FC5, so that's weird.

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dtm:

fyi z-morek's an idiot; i found the answer on the second hit on google

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dtm:

it just wouldn't let me paste arrow symbols

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CDev:

Sad part is, I already had a fc4 box running for a long time, until it was recently root-kitted... figured I'd format & start over with fc5.

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CDev:

Just enough differences with FC5 to challange me (a long time Windows developer!)

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Anduin:

CDev: mesa-libGLU-devel (if you mean glu.h)

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Z-Morek:

well I thought I hit a foot in mouth moment because I noticed the default rip directory is on a directory with sparse free space, but upon changing it... it still cuts off at about 4 minutes

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: run mtd -n in a terminal and see if you are getting read errors

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Z-Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/51903

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Z-Morek:

http://pastebin.ca/51904

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Z-Morek:

it says it's already running if I do "mtd -n"

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: Killing any running mtd process goes without saying.

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Z-Morek:

"operation not permitted"

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Z-Morek:

mmmm

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Z-Morek:

not root

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Anduin:

There is very little reason to run any part of myth as root.

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Z-Morek:

I couldn't kill the process as a user apparently

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Z-Morek:

well it's significantly passed it's old mark

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Z-Morek:

and me, the noob, would not have decided to restart the process

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Z-Morek:

wow, maybe I shouldn't go into college for cs

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Anduin:

Yeah, currently if there is even one bad read the whole thing is aborted, making it extra fun.

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Z-Morek:

and if I knew enough c++ to change the code and compile myself

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Z-Morek:

I would

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Z-Morek:

but I don't

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Z-Morek:

so I'll just noob it up

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SlyChocobo:

What does myth use to scan the TV signals for active stations

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SlyChocobo:

"scantv"?

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Z-Morek:

thanks a lot Anduin

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Z-Morek:

all is well

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Z-Morek:

and now I know just a little more about linux

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: That did nothing, it was just going to give a better error (if it was a read error, you just made the lucky pass)

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Anduin:

SlyChocobo: It doesn't.

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Z-Morek:

Anduin, the rip worked and I can watch it in the videos folder...

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: Yes, just saying that luck probably had more to do with it, mtd -n was just so you'd see any error messages.

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Z-Morek:

but after killing and running "mtd --daemon" it worked

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Z-Morek:

luck maybe

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Z-Morek:

but it worked

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Z-Morek:

now to burn an episode of seinfeld to dvd

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Z-Morek:

it's gonna be a long night

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SlyChocobo:

Well, I dont seem to be getting any signal on the TV card at all

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SlyChocobo:

Its also, for some.. unknown reason, squiged up the display to only show the top.. 1/3

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SlyChocobo:

Any clue what could be wrong?

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Anduin:

SlyChocobo: 350?

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SlyChocobo:

350?

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SlyChocobo:

sorry, I dont understand

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Anduin:

SlyChocobo: Which capture/display card(s)?

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SlyChocobo:

Oh right, sorry

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SlyChocobo:

Some old Hanuapeg Capture card

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SlyChocobo:

PCTV

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SlyChocobo:

(Brooktree Bt878 Capture)

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Anduin:

usual advice is to get those cards working outside myth, once that is done try with myth

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SlyChocobo:

Thats what Im trying now

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SlyChocobo:

But its displaying realy odd behaviour

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kormoc:

are you using xawtv/tvtime/similar?

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SlyChocobo:

xawtv

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kormoc:

you sure the cable is good?

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SlyChocobo:

Yes

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SlyChocobo:

in TVtime, I just get "No Signal"

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SlyChocobo:

Ah fuck it

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SlyChocobo:

lol

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SlyChocobo:

I'll hook it up to the main aerial tomorrow

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SlyChocobo:

Its too late for fidding with this

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kormoc:

that would point to the tuner type is not set right

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SlyChocobo:

In what way?

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kormoc:

with the bttv cards, it's quite common that the autodetected tuner type is wrong

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kormoc:

and so you'd need to set it by hand

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SlyChocobo:

Hm, I'll do it tomorrow

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SlyChocobo:

Its 3am, Im going to bed :)

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** SlyChocobo writes a postit to check the tuner tomorrow **

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** kormoc waves **

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kormoc:

night!

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SlyChocobo:

Night :)

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overridex:

hi all, i get an error upgrading mythtv... upgrading the schema fails when i launch mythfrontend... it says: Invalid default value for 'freqtable'

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Agrajag-:

overridex: i'd say you have an invalid default value for 'freqtable'

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Z-Morek:

:-P

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rifter374:

with the new version of mythweb, does anybody know how to get rid of the upcoming programs that just say "r" next to them as in previously recorded

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rifter374:

they take up a ton of space and don't help at all

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Agrajag-:

i dont know what the default value is, mine is "Australia". so i guess you could change it to that to get a valid freqtable, then change it with mythtv-setup

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rifter374:

any idea?

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SMDBlink:

hdmi

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overridex:

Agrajag-: ingenious ;)

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rifter374:

anybody here?

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overridex:

Agrajag-: good plan :)

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overridex:

Agrajag-: hmm.... is freqtable supposed to be a table in mythconverg? i don't see it in show tables; so maybe that's the problem

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Agrajag-:

overridex: no it's a value in the settings table

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Agrajag-:

value is "FreqTable"

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Agrajag-:

my data is actually "australia" not "Australia"

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overridex:

ah.. mine's us-cable hmm...

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llyric:

Agrajag-: where abouts in Aussy are you?

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Agrajag-:

sydney

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** llyric is in melb **

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overridex:

Agrajag-: what's your freqtable set to in videosource?

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llyric:

default

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llyric:

for me

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overridex:

me too, it says that's invalid...

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Agrajag-:

mine is 'australia' again

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overridex:

hmmmmm............. grr

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overridex:

the full error is

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overridex:

Query was: ALTER TABLE videosource ADD COLUMN useeit SMALLINT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0;

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Agrajag-:

that's not an error

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overridex:

Database error was:

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overridex:

Invalid default value for 'freqtable'

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overridex:

above that it says...

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overridex:

Error was: Driver error was [2/1067]:

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overridex:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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overridex:

2006-04–27 22:56:56.752 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.

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kormoc:

overridex, http://www.pastebin.ca, paste the entire log

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overridex:

http://pastebin.ca/51924

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llyric:

I guess the current value is null

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llyric:

which is now disallowed

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llyric:

errr

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llyric:

forget that

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Agrajag-:

that error doesn't seem to match the query though

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llyric:

yeah

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overridex:

yeah... it's pretty strange

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llyric:

I'm not sure the error message is showing the right SQL

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** llyric wanders over to look at the code **

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llyric:

Hmm, the code looks like it should print the right sql

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overridex:

hmm i think that is the right one

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overridex:

because if i do it manually i get the error:

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overridex:

mysql> ALTER TABLE videosource ADD COLUMN useeit SMALLINT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0;

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overridex:

ERROR 1067 (42000): Invalid default value for 'freqtable'

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Agrajag-:

can you pastebin 'describe videosource;'

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** llyric looks at the schema-update code **

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overridex:

http://pastebin.ca/51925

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Agrajag-:

change freqtable to varchar(16)

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kormoc:

ha!

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kormoc:

that's amusing

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Agrajag-:

(how on earth did that happen?)

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overridex:

hmmm.... that's interesting – its' been the same db through many many upgrades going back till... i don't even remember what version

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llyric:

it doesn't look like anything ever set freqtable to varchar(5) in dbcheck.cpp

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Agrajag-:

no, it wouldn't.. there's nothing wrong with the code

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kormoc:

yeah, mine is still (16)

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overridex:

i did upgrade mysql at some point...

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llyric:

yeah "default" is not varchar(5) itself :)

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llyric:

In my schema, all those fields are longer... but I guess you're still some versions behind

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mchou:

anyone happen to know if you record ntsc via svideo whether close captioning would be "preserved?"

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overridex:

geez, fixed that and there's another one

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overridex:

got me up to 1122 this time...

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render1:

anyone here running mythtv on xgl?

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mchou:

render1: tell us if you're successful :)

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render1:

i am sort of

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render1:

just having a hard time running at full 1600x1200 res

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mchou:

sort of doesnt cut it

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overridex:

what type should tvformat be set to in the channel table:

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render1:

i'm disabling xv to get it to work and i dunno if that's why

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overridex:

?*

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render1:

it works fine at 640x480

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kormoc:

render1, which driver?

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mchou:

lol

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render1:

kormoc: more specific?

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kormoc:

overridex, varchar(10)

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kormoc:

render1, which video driver are you using?

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Agrajag-:

overridex: sounds like something is corrupting your db. do you have backups?

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render1:

shrug, i guess xshm

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render1:

2006-04–27 20:11:22.123 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output.

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kormoc:

render1, erm, I mean for X

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render1:

nvidia

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overridex:

ok, mythfrontend updated the schema that time...

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render1:

8756

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kormoc:

render1, you should have better luck with the NV driver

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overridex:

Agrajag-: yeah, i do

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render1:

kormoc, then i doubt my xgl would run too well

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mchou:

lol

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kormoc:

render1, it should run better on NV

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mchou:

kormoc being his usual self again

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Agrajag-:

overridex: try checking them

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kormoc:

render1, nvidia says their support of XGL won't really be upto spec until the 9xxx drivers

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render1:

hrmm, i could give it a whirl...but no glx...?

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kormoc:

render1, the NV driver does have some glx

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render1:

one sec, lemme restart x with nv driver

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overridex:

thanks for your help guys

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render1:

no dice on nv driver

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kormoc:

render1, what part bout it?

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render1:

can't find it in logs

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render1:

something about no glx screens found

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render1:

or something like that

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render1:

tried commenting out glx module in xorg.conf

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render1:

and loading dri

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render1:

same thing

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kormoc:

interesting, well, the NV driver would give you XV video support, which should make myth scale up for ya, but that's sucky that it's not working as well

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render1:

could be i don't have the mesa drivers compiled, i am not sure

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render1:

well whats really wierd

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render1:

is mplayer runs fine on -vo xv

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render1:

but with myth i have to pass NO_XV=1

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kormoc:

ooh? interesting

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render1:

i get hard framedropping at 1600x1200 on myth

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render1:

2006-04–27 20:23:26.316 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output.

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render1:

Xlib: extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":0.0".

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render1:

2006-04–27 20:23:26.522 VideoOutputXv Error: GetRefreshRate(): X11 ModeLine query failed

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render1:

Xlib: extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":0.0".

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render1:

2006-04–27 20:23:26.624 VideoOutputXv Error: GetRefreshRate(): X11 ModeLine query failed

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render1:

2006-04–27 20:23:31.031 VideoOutputXv Error:

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render1:

blah blah system not capable of displaying full framerate at 1600x1200 resolution, frames will be skipped in order to keep audio and video in sync

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render1:

wonder if a nested x server would work...

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mogorman:

hi can anyone help me get my mythtv setup im not using oss

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mogorman:

so i think its complicated...

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render1:

ugh, that didn't work

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render1:

oh well, guess it was not mean to be

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Agrajag-:

mogorman: no it's not complicated

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Agrajag-:

mogorman: just set the audio output device to 'ALSA:default' and mixer to 'default'

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dirk_:

ok back again, I think i have mythtv setup and working now (thanks for the help), but now I can't seem to get my hauppauge remote to work

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dirk_:

I've emerge withdriver hauppauge and still don't have /dev/lirc0

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dirk_:

any ideas or suggestions

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kormoc:

dirk_, do you have /dev/lirc/0 perhaps?

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dirk_:

nope

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dirk_:

I read on gentoo wiki that I have to modprobe lirc_hauppauge, but I dont have a module of that name

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Z-Morek:

I hate my life

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Z-Morek:

working on my myth rig is a wildgoose chase

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Carrot231:

How do I stop a hung transcoding job? It restart every night and I can't stop it in mythfrontend?

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Z-Morek:

and I have sooo much shit to do

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dtm:

<3

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dirk_:

I've also tried hauppauge_dvb, with no luck

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dirk_:

when I run modprobe -l I get

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dirk_:

/lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r1/misc/lirc_i2c.ko

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dirk_:

/lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r1/misc/lirc_dev.ko

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dirk_:

any ideas?

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mogorman:

so Agrajag- in myhsetup it has (none) as audio device but video device is right your saying i should put ALSA:default

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mogorman:

i have two alsa devices the card and the tuner

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cliffd:

I just got all my hardware put together :) anyone using a silvertech LC11 ?

[04:21:17]

eiggirC:

yeah lots of people

[04:21:19]

eiggirC:

not me though

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eiggirC:

search google

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llyric:

Any good? I need to build a "totally" quiet frontend somtime next month

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eiggirC:

search google

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eiggirC:

zalman has some good shit for quiet machines

[04:22:18]

eiggirC:

and vantec have "stealth" fans that are very nice

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eiggirC:

and not massively expensive

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cliffd:

llyric: its not loud but its not totally quite

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cliffd:

trying to get the cpu fan and freq stepping dialed in so it will simmah down.

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cliffd:

how do I tell what version of the pvr500 tuner I got?

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cliffd:

dmesg or lspci ?

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cliffd:

not sure what to look for

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eiggirC:

both

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eiggirC:

lspci

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eiggirC:

and in dmesg look for the ivtv lines between ===start=== and ===end===

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eiggirC:

its fairly obvious :)

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alien88:

so i upgraded from 0.18.1 to 0.19 and now when i change channels and do, say, 32 it sends it as '3' then '2' instead of '32' and i cant figure out why.. any suggestions?

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cliffd:

ok, I dont think my riser card is working then. I see nothing looking like this card.

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mythabuser:

good evening

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mythabuser:

can someone help me set up netflix in myth?

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Z-Morek:

AHHHH! mythweb will be the death of me

[04:41:50]

Z-Morek:

I've spent the past 3 hours trying to setup mythburn and now I'm forced to setup mythweb etc. etc. etc.

[04:42:01]

Z-Morek:

someone shoot me

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** alien88 shoots z-morek **

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mythabuser:

this is all i can find on netflix: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hflix/README is that the most recent stuff?

[04:44:00]

mythabuser:

seems like now it's build in to .19, do you still have to mess with the mysql by hand?

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** Z-Morek dies at his keyboard with 2 ssh windows, irc, firefox open to about 10 tabs documenting different linux programs, and a text editor typing up the first sentence of a 3 page paper due tomorrow **

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Agrajag-:

good thing you're on irc whinging then

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Z-Morek:

well I have nowhere else to whine

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, let us write your paper, what's it on?

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Z-Morek:

shakespeare's use of blindness in king lear

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kormoc:

Ahh, Simple. Shakespeare was a great man, he made a guy blind to do something or what not. fin!

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Z-Morek:

but I can't get over not having my mythrig working

[04:49:00]

Z-Morek:

it was more about the Earl of Gloucester and how his eyes were forcibly removed by Cornwall

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alien88:

z-m: the important thing w/ mythweb is the AllowOverride for the mythweb directory

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Z-Morek:

and it was only when he was physically blind that he realized his adopted son had deceived him blah blahb lah

[04:50:10]

Z-Morek:

lost me

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alien88:

in apache's config

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Z-Morek:

If one were to rate a person's linux experience on a scale of 1–10, I'd put mine at about 3

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alien88:

well in apache's config (normally httpd.conf) you need .. http://pastebin.com/686343

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alien88:

replace /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb with whereever you have mythweb

[04:52:32]

achew22:

xris: are you up and about? can I ask you a few questions about mythweb?

[04:52:51]

alien88:

then in your mythweb directory, edit .htaccess .. its all documenteted in there. and also config/conf.php – but that oen probably doesnt have to be changed

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achew22:

alien88: i think the prefered method for doing the thing you did in httpd.conf is to do it in the .htaccess file for that folder as its not a system wide change and doesn't require an appache restart to update

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ZMorek0:

as in the thing that's in the doc?

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alien88:

uhh except the allowoverride is for .htaccess

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alien88:

you cant set it in .htaccess if the server won't allow the overrides

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alien88:

which is the whole ponit of that line

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alien88:

and its not a system wide change, its for the specific mythweb directory, and restarting apache isnt a big deal, you jsut do apachectl graceful

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ZMorek0:

only thing is I can't remember where httpd is...

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achew22:

alien88 i do not have those modifications fo my httpd.conf file and I did it in the .htaccess file.

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alien88:

achew22: then either your httpd.conf defaults to allowing overrides or it already had that directory in it

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alien88:

because by default it starts off with allowoverrides none for * then specifies where things can be

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achew22:

alien88 are you farmiliar with the theme system for mythweb?

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alien88:

the most common reason mythweb doesnt work is because allowoverride isn't set

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alien88:

no, that im not

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alien88:

sorry :)

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achew22:

damnit

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achew22:

i'm trying to modify the theme but it won't change when it loads.. almost like it has been chaced

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achew22:

cached*

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ZMorek0:

I can't do this crap

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achew22:

ZMorek0 why not?

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ZMorek0:

I'm way too tired

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achew22:

ZMorek0 what distro do you have?

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ZMorek0:

fc3

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ZMorek0:

I have the feeling I need to screw around with the router too

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ZMorek0:

because I'm going to access over lan

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ZMorek0:

from a windows rig to a linux rig

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ZMorek0:

I'm just gonna crank out some bs for the lit paper and crash HARD

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alien88:

good luck

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ZMorek0:

heh

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ZMorek0:

I was just about to say "no seinfeld for you"

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ZMorek0:

but the funny part is, I was going to try and burn the soup nazi episode for class tomorrow

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ZMorek0:

because we're going to analyze sitcom humor

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ZMorek0:

maybe that's only funny because I'm exhausted

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alien88:

alright.. im out, night guys

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mythabuser:

any netflix users here?

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mythabuser:

what is the "is_queue" flag?

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HomeyDC:

back again with more ?s

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HomeyDC:

I have a brand new mythtv install and I cannot get channels to load

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HomeyDC:

when I run mythfilldatabase I get that there are no channel sources defined

[05:12:14]

HomeyDC:

Did a search as the channel title indicated and only came up with hit with a pretty severe fix

[05:13:57]

cliffd:

anyone have myth working on amd64 in 64 bit mode/kernel ?

[05:14:11]

cliffd:

should I drop down the x86? or just keep with amd64 arch?

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Anduin:

HomeyDC: run mythtv-setup, define your source, read a good HOWTO

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kormoc:

cliffd, a64 should work fine

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cliffd:

kormoc: thanks.

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cliffd:

next question, anyone have this working with gentoo?

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achew22:

Hi kormoc, how are you?

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kormoc:

quite fine, how are you?

[05:22:28]

achew22:

I've been doing well

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achew22:

do you deal with mythweb at all?

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kormoc:

yes, I do a bit

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achew22:

is the folder for the themes /var/www/mythweb/themes/default?

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kormoc:

yeah

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achew22:

strange...

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achew22:

it wasn't changing when I modified files in there

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achew22:

so the file to modify for the recordings page would be /var/www/mythweb/themes/default/tv/recorded.php

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kormoc:

you forced a refresh in your browser?

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achew22:

yeah

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HomeyDC:

Auduin: I've just completed the setup as an install. I am going to now run it again. Should i be looking for or doing anything different since it did not work the first time?

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achew22:

its the strangest thing

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achew22:

kormoc of course — as always closing down winscp and trying again fixed the problem

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xris:

achew22: what's up?

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achew22:

not much — figured it out

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achew22:

how have you been?

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xris:

not bad

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achew22:

I'm trying to get a swf file to play flv file that have been transcoded... but ffmepeg doesn't want to convert the files

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achew22:

xris have you seen old school?

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xris:

nope

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xris:

not my kind of movie

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achew22:

darn...

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achew22:

xris what kind of movie is your kind of movie?

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xris:

depends on the mood.. good drama, bad scifi, good scifi

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xris:

the occasional chick flick

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achew22:

aaw...

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achew22:

how cute ;)

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achew22:

are you married/dating seriously?

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xris:

married

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achew22:

that explains it

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xris:

nah, I've always been like this

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achew22:

I have to say — bad scifi is VERY good

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xris:

yes

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xris:

I grew up in the 80's... the best of the worst came from then.

[06:20:26]

achew22:

you said that you were working on streaming for mythweb. What are you planning to use to stream it?

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xris:

so far, a cgi script

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achew22:

what do you convert it to?

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achew22:

flv? compressed mpg?

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xris:

nothing yet

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xris:

pondering flash video, but don't have much beyond that

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xris:

would like to do other formats and replace mythstreamtv

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achew22:

would you use flvplayer?

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xris:

no clye

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xris:

kormoc has been looking into it

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achew22:

does mythstreamtv work in .19?

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xris:

there's a patch for it

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xris:

I've never used it, myself.

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achew22:

it uses vlc

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achew22:

so you would on the fly convert to X then send it

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xris:

exactly

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xris:

vlc is a beast, PITA for people to set up, requires separate ports, etc.

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achew22:

its a crazy crazy thing

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mchou:

xris: heh, remember that mobo I had you look up at reseller about a wk ago?

[06:28:20]

xris:

y

[06:28:23]

mchou:

xris: called up Giga-byte and it turns out it's EOL. A real shame

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xris:

lame

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Neovdr2:

Just a recomendation from debian users. How would be better to install Mythtv? By apt-get install Mythtv or from source

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dscoular:

xris: crazy == powerful wrt vlc

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xris:

dscoular: yes. still a PITA for most people to set up properly

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dscoular:

true

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xris:

I won't do that to mythweb.

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xris:

simple streaming will be fine. the new modular setup will make it easier for people to install stuff like mythstreamtv if they want more powerful stuff.

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achew22:

Neovdr2 I would say apt-get it then apt-get remove it (that will do the database stuff and make the user. then install it form source so that you get .19 as opposed to .18 whcih is what I beleive the .deb file is

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dscoular:

xris, cool... it just so nice to be able to control the bandwidth of a stream.

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mchou:

xris: shit, I spent last two days setting up a new file server with myth on it

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xris:

dscoular: that's easy enough to do without vlc

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mchou:

xris: not really an experience I care to repeat

[06:31:08]

Neovdr2:

ok thanks

[06:31:35]

xris:

mchou: heh, I had very few issues setting up my mythbox recently

[06:31:41]

xris:

MAN, my new scanner is slow

[06:31:53]

mchou:

xris: heh, I had all sorts of issues

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mchou:

like "unexpected MYTH_PROTOCOL"

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xris:

ick

[06:33:02]

mchou:

sigh.... and that only turned out to be it doesnt understand "127.0.0.1"

[06:33:31]

mchou:

shit like that which mystifies ya for hours on end.

[06:34:47]

mchou:

but a consolidated server is nice. No more noise.

[06:35:12]

rhp_at_work:

After going over all steps in the setup a couple of times, I somehow still fail to find the transcode-settings. Could someone please point me to them?

[06:35:34]

fatmatt:

this is very annoying, for some reason when I run a particular script, the time on my system drifts about 15min per hour, it's only when this script runs, plays havoc with mythtv ecordings

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mchou:

rhp_at_work: heh, just hack the db. it'd be faster than going thru ui :)

[06:36:07]

xris:

mchou: cool. I'm pondering moving mine to the garage... wondering if I can get away with setting it up in xen

[06:36:49]

xris:

rhp_at_work: tv settings, recording profiles

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mchou:

fatmatt: what's the main purpose of this script?

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rhp_at_work:

mchou: sure... next time.

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rhp_at_work:

xris: thanks.

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mchou:

fatmatt: 15min/hr is pretty serious

[06:38:18]

fatmatt:

uses mplayer to grab a realaudio stream and then mp3's it so I can listen to it later... actually, radio support in myth would be nice :)

[06:38:51]

mchou:

fatmatt: umm, I though beirdo wrote a script like that

[06:39:14]

achew22:

mchou where can I get the script to let me listen to fm?

[06:39:29]

mchou:

fatmatt: streamripper and cron does the job for my w/o funky time :)

[06:39:48]

fatmatt:

yeah, I've got this script running 3 or 4 times on a Sunday, by sunday night I'm an hour out... I've got ntpdate running once an hour to repair this but it;s not exactly optimal

[06:39:52]

mchou:

achew22: kradio. google it

[06:40:04]

mchou:

achew22: it's a nice package

[06:40:22]

achew22:

wait... what?

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fatmatt:

I'm going to switch from using mplayer to using the radio tuner input on one of my tuner cards when I get time.

[06:40:38]

achew22:

i'm confused — i thought you said that beirdo had a script that made it work in myth?

[06:40:56]

mchou:

achew22: I said nothing of the sort

[06:41:01]

achew22:

maybe i'm going craz

[06:41:03]

achew22:

y

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achew22:

mchou can it get only the sound feed from a tv station?

[06:42:27]

mchou:

achew22: wtf are you referring to?

[06:42:31]

achew22:

KRadio

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fatmatt:

I tried a few different progs to record the realaudio stream, but in the end, mplayer was good. It seems to happen while the script is mp3ing as well. I'm wondering if all that writing to hdd is screwing up timer interrupts or something?

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mchou:

achew22: beats me.

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fatmatt:

but myth is much more intensive on hdd activity than mplayer and mytht doesn't cause me issues afaik

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mchou:

fatmatt: bullshit. myth records write more than mplayer

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fatmatt:

mchou: yah

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mchou:

fatmatt: this time loss, are you using native linux or some "emulation/virtual machine" layer?

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fatmatt:

mchou: debian, nothing funky.

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fatmatt:

native

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mchou:

weird

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fatmatt:

tell me about it.

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mchou:

fatmatt: what's the kernel hi-res timesource?

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fatmatt:

mchou: good question, how do I check?

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mchou:

dmesg

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fatmatt:

Using tsc for high-res timesource

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mchou:

fatmatt: http://www.vmware.com/support/kb/enduser/std_ . . . 0x&p_li=

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mchou:

some "background" from the folks at vmware :)

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fatmatt:

hmm, is jackd an sound daemon?

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Neovdr2:

I have done apt-get install mythtv but I got: Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1.

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Neovdr2:

Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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fatmatt:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/12/13/434 looks like it's not just me... something todo with tsc

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Neovdr2:

can someone help how to fix this?

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fatmatt:

Neovdr2: its in the help pages, look for mythtv-database setup stuff

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Neovdr2:

ok

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fatmatt:

there's some howtos,

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fatmatt:

mchou: which hi res timer do you use?

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mchou:

2.6 default, pmtmr

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fatmatt:

I'll switch, see if I can use that.

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fatmatt:

you wouldn't be able to tell me where in the kernel config I can find it would you?

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mchou:

fatmatt: what kernel config? just boot linux clock=pmtmr

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fatmatt:

that easy? cool,

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fatmatt:

thanks

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fatmatt:

okay, now using pit as high res timesource

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Neovdr2:

damn this thing is killing me: I can make mysql work. I did mysqladmin -u root password yourpasswordhere and now I get errors on login inside

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Neovdr2:

I cant find a howto to fix this either

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fatmatt:

Neovdr2: its mysql -u user -p password

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fatmatt:

I think..

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imperfect-:

Hello

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imperfect-:

I can't seem to get myth to transcode my recordings when they are done....

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imperfect-:

If I tellit to commflag, it does what without fail, but setting it to transcode never works... any ideas?

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stuarta:

never works, or never starts?

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imperfect-:

never starts that I can see

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imperfect-:

it spawns commflag just fine...

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stuarta:

check your recording profiles. transcoding needs to be enabled

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imperfect-:

its the setting right underneath commflag, right?

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stuarta:

yep

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imperfect-:

yep

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imperfect-:

it's enabled

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imperfect-:

I just did a test here in the middle of the night ;)

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stuarta:

on all the profiles you use?

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imperfect-:

lets make sure we're talking about the same thing

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imperfect-:

define profile

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stuarta:

when you setup the job, you have options to set the recording profile to 'Default, livetv, high qual, low qual'

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imperfect-:

ok

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imperfect-:

I'm looing at my transocder profile now

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imperfect-:

and im changing it from RTjpeg to mpeg4

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stuarta:

Transcoder profiles define how the transcoding is done, lossless, mpeg4 etc etc

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stuarta:

not IF it is done

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imperfect-:

Right

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imperfect-:

then I did it right to begin with

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imperfect-:

It's set to transcode ne recordings

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imperfect-:

transcode using autodetect

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stuarta:

so it needs to be, a) enabled in the profile b) enable in the record rule

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imperfect-:

is the record rule what I am editing per show?

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stuarta:

yes

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imperfect-:

okay

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imperfect-:

I think I see

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imperfect-:

however

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imperfect-:

I dont see wehre to change the profile I'm using in the rule

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stuarta:

just go through each section & you'll find it

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imperfect-:

yeah there is no profile setting

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imperfect-:

I just went through everything on this particular rule

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stuarta:

I'm not at my frontend, so I can't check where it is...

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imperfect-:

understoof

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imperfect-:

thanks

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imperfect-:

er understood.

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imperfect-:

I went through and enabled the auto-transcode on all the profiles ;)

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stuarta:

yeah, if you tick the boxes in all the right spots it does it..

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I see it trying to run the transcode thing

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Longkong:

hi...

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imperfect-:

in the backendlog

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imperfect-:

but i still dont see it running

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Longkong:

What are correct resolutions for TV? I always used 768x576, but with the New PVR-Card he says_

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Longkong:

1Apr 28 10:54:39 localhost kernel: cx25840 0–0044: 768x576 is not a valid size!

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puthre:

try 720x576

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puthre:

for pal

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Longkong:

hmm, it still does not work :/

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blafd:

hey

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Longkong:

no error in syslog now but:

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Longkong:

2006-04–28 10:59:13.742 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv//1009_20060428105906.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'

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blafd:

does any one here know if you can get the remote controll from the avermedia a180 working under mythtv/lirc or anything?

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Longkong:

and this about 15 times

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blafd:

it claims it comes with the infared "eye"

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blafd:

which plugs into the card itself

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Longkong:

_very_ strange..

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Longkong:

When I try cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg _after_ I tested it with mythtv it does not work (the file stays 0b), but when I reload the module it works again

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blafd:

does any one have a remote working with mythtv

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blafd:

?

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blafd:

care to post your setups some where..

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blafd:

Longkong i was getting thoses kinds of errors

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blafd:

i jsut put it down to screwy hardware/driver

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Longkong:

blafd: no

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blafd:

/borked myth code

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Longkong:

blafd: I found the solution, libmpeg2 was selected in the settings, and if you select that it does not work, even if you change it afterwards

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Longkong:

blafd: you have to reload your ivtv module then... :P

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blafd:

hm

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Longkong:

well, now no sound :/

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blafd:

ok.. that was something ive still not properly looked into..or im blind.. can myth use alsa?

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blafd:

or would that require compiling from source

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Longkong:

blafd: no, I think they even recommend it...

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blafd:

hmm i just dont recollect seeing anything to do with a sound system setting

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blafd:

i think the linux kernel programmers are gona have to make a peace of code in the usb hub drivers, for a certain school of broken usb hardware, something to ignore the device when it has been seen once, and i dont get it because these usb devices do work normally for a short period, but then its as if something blows inside and then there doomed to redetecing them self over and over

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blafd:

kinda breaks plug and play i

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blafd:

i know*

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blafd:

but rather that then only beable to detect a device once (when in a certain mode) the alternate is loosing that device all together,

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blafd:

i know it can work some how because with my device that does it the device will work, if you disable the hub imeedietly after it loads the driver

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imperfect-:

any experts about?

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stuarta:

still trying to work out transcoding?

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

i was trying to play a .nuv with mplayer the audio was all sorts of FSKCED

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imperfect-:

oddly enough

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imperfect-:

if I watch it in the frontend

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imperfect-:

it seems to be much better

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eiggirC_:

the frontend is a good media player all by itself

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imperfect-:

yeah?

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imperfect-:

I figured mplayer would be good

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using the internal player exclusivly with mythvideo since last July

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GreyFoxx:

Works great for me

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GreyFoxx:

same controls, same OSD / menu.

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imperfect-:

Yeah?

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imperfect-:

The compression sucks!

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

I've got like half hour of video

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imperfect-:

430MB

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GreyFoxx:

Compression?

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imperfect-:

gotta come up with something better ;)

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GreyFoxx:

oh, transcoding

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imperfect-:

nod

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stuarta:

that's about the right size

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GreyFoxx:

I don't really bother with that at home

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GreyFoxx:

we do it on the work mythbox, but only cause some of the guys downloadthe shows to theirhouses

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I've only got 250gb hd

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stuarta:

that's enough for 7 days worth of recordings...

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ivor:

hmm getting tight on space here.... think I need to try that multiple directory patch.

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laga:

ivor: do you think something like this will go into mythtv soon?

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ivor:

I'm the wrong person to ask.

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ivor:

I think its a nice idea.

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laga:

so do i

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eiggirC:

I'm annoyed – I added a second tuner card so that I could properly record programmes that are back to back, and it doesn't work right... just uses one card and snips a bit of one onto the other recording

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laga:

i don't really like lvm, it's too raid0-ish ;)

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ivor:

haven't had a look or played with the patch to see if there are any probs.

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ivor:

laga: yeah lvm isn't for me either.

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laga:

this amd athlon64 x2 makes me drool. i want one.

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Zider:

cpu's doesn't make me drool anymore..

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haj:

laga: get one.. they are great

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stuarta:

lvm is very useful, but you really need to build it on top of redundant storage

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laga:

Zider: i have an athlon xp 1800+. everything faster than that makes me drool :)

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laga:

stuarta: yep. which is expensive.

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imperfect-:

What kind of video will i get at 700 bitrate?

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laga:

haj: yeah, but a little bit expensive. i'd have to get a new motherboard, psu, vga card etc

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stuarta:

lvm is targeted at the enterprise level, where everything is expensive

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Zider:

laga: I had a Celeron 300MHz as main system until 2 years ago or so.. :P

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haj:

laga: it's just money :)

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Zider:

haj: so buy it for him :D

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stuarta:

need more money to buy more toys....

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laga:

Zider: well, i do a lot of compiling/transcoding/cpu-demanding stuff sometimes.

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haj:

Zider: nah.. i can't, i just spend my money on a 7900GT :)

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laga:

and my current box just won't cut it.

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laga:

haj: just money? i have everything but money ;)

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Zider:

laga: I'm running gentoo.. need I say more? ;)

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haj:

then you don't need money.. if you have everything else :)

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laga:

Zider: no. you're mad. :)

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Zider:

laga: ;D

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Zider:

laga: I don't have the Cel300 anymore tho

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haj:

Zider: if you are running gentoo you need a X2 as well ;)

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Zider:

haj: there's no f*cking way I'm ever getting an AMD.. :)

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laga:

it's funny to see the pentium d 820 outperform the AMD cpus in synthetic benchmarks, but they're kicking ass in real world applications ;)

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stuarta:

I'm not getting an intel, so we're even :)

[10:39:26]

Zider:

;)

[10:39:44]

Zider:

one of them cell processors would be fun tho ;)

[10:39:46]

laga:

dual core would be awesome. i like the idea of SMP.

[10:39:59]

Zider:

HT is enough SMP for me ;)

[10:40:26]

laga:

hyperthreading is more like an illusion than SMP ;)

[10:40:44]

Zider:

well, It Works <tm>

[10:40:48]

stuarta:

better than a fart in an elevator

[10:42:01]

Zider:

anyways, I'm running distcc here now, so I don't really need more juice in this rig

[10:42:19]

Zider:

I need fast internet and bigger hard drives more

[10:42:29]

hashbang:

eiggirC: I've seen that problem with back-to-back programmes and two tuner cards, also.

[10:42:32]

Zider:

..and a decent gfx card for the mythbox.. ;P

[10:43:58]

laga:

i hate it when firefox crashes on me

[10:44:03]

eiggirC:

hashbang: I'm going to tell it to overrecord all programs by a minute

[10:44:10]

eiggirC:

hashbang: that will do

[10:44:25]

eiggirC:

hashbang: here in New Zealand the broadcast can be minutes adrift

[10:45:22]

LLyric:

they can be 15 minutes wrong over here (Australia)

[10:45:26]

LLyric:

Especially channel 7

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hashbang:

eiggirC: same here

[10:47:43]

eiggirC:

hashbang: just can't find the global setting

[10:47:45]

hashbang:

eiggirC: I have my mythbox set to start 3m early, and finish 5m late

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hashbang:

eiggirC: but I've also told it to skip the early start/finish for overlap.

[10:48:15]

hashbang:

eiggirC: I might try turning that feature off

[10:49:34]

stuarta:

eiggirC, hashbang, you guys need to be testing the softpad branch of svn

[10:49:46]

hashbang:

softpad?

[10:50:23]

eiggirC:

its already set to three minutes over

[10:50:26]

eiggirC:

stuarta: whats that?

[10:50:30]

stuarta:

the ability to add x minutes to either start or end of a program if our scheduling will allow it

[10:50:45]

hashbang:

stuarta: that seems to be in 0.19-fixes already.

[10:50:58]

hashbang:

stuarta: maybe it works better in the branch you're talking about, tho.

[10:51:07]

stuarta:

not the hardpad that's in 0.19

[10:51:33]

stuarta:

this is specifically for the aus/nz case where the broadcasters are crap...

[10:51:35]

hashbang:

stuarta: I'm sure I saw a tickbox that allowed the padding to be removed in the event of a clash.

[10:51:43]

eiggirC:

stuarta: I just want two sequential programmes recorded on different tuners

[10:51:46]

hashbang:

stuarta: and UK! :-)

[10:52:16]

LLyric:

hashbang: there's an outstanding feature request that will make the videosource go to TWO files, to allow for overlap, in the case of two booked programs on the same channel

[10:52:28]

stuarta:

do some reading in the -dev archives. It's explained far better that I can do it here.

[10:52:34]

LLyric:

so you get your +5 on the end of the first recording, AND the -3 on the second

[10:52:42]

LLyric:

That would be great!

[10:52:50]

eiggirC:

LLyric: sweet thanks

[10:52:54]

eiggirC:

I'll check it out

[10:53:03]

LLyric:

It's only a feature-request right now

[10:53:09]

LLyric:

Apparently it's pretty complicated

[10:53:16]

eiggirC:

I got a serious arse kicking from the missus for screwing up the mythbox last week

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stuarta:

complicated is an understatement

[10:53:32]

eiggirC:

so I won't be futzing with it again for a bit :)

[10:53:42]

hashbang:

(bchelor status)++

[10:53:54]

eiggirC:

Wife! I need another mythbox – separate from yours!

[10:53:57]

eiggirC:

yeah – right.

[10:53:58]

eiggirC:

:)

[10:54:05]

stuarta:

eiggirC: you just need mysqldump and two build trees :)

[10:54:27]

laga:

hashbang: (getting laid often)++

[10:54:32]

eiggirC:

stuarta: no – I need a firewall to separate her lan from mine :)

[10:54:45]

stuarta:

:)

[10:54:49]

hashbang:

laga: pr0n++

[10:55:18]

laga:

hashbang: praying++

[10:55:31]

eiggirC:

my wife likes porn... its quite... weird

[10:55:45]

stuarta:

no wonder she was upset...

[10:55:49]

laga:

yeah.

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laga:

eiggirC: some guys like shopping *shrug*

[10:56:24]

Zider:

I like shopping.. for computer parts.. :P

[10:56:33]

Zider:

but I don't like porn tho

[10:56:44]

hashbang:

Zider: but those shoes just set off that video card /sooo/ well!

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laga:

Zider: why were you running a celeron 300 then?

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imperfect-:

man this doesn't make any sense

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imperfect-:

sometimes transcode works

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imperfect-:

sometimes it doesn't

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imperfect-:

what gives?

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laga:

eiggirC: uh, as your main box?

[10:57:10]

Zider:

laga: the dual P3 burned up and I couldn't afford anything else..

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Zider:

hashbang: :D

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eiggirC:

laga: mine, yes.

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laga:

eiggirC: ouch

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eiggirC:

laga: distcc is your friend :)

[10:59:02]

Zider:

:D

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Zider:

I didn't have anything else to compile on tho

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Zider:

..except friends computers over internet.. :P

[10:59:27]

LLyric:

fsckit

[10:59:27]

Zider:

luckily I had 10Mbit then :D

[10:59:28]

LLyric:

I exited from mythtv, selected "exit and shutdown", figuring it would shut down jsut the mythbackend. Nope.

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blafd:

LLyric /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop ?

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LLyric:

I know how to do it, but I'm not ON the backend, it was just a frontend

[11:02:58]

eiggirC:

I have a question – I used the import script to import a mpeg file that had been recorded on a pvr150 under windows. It imported and commflagged, but now I can't edit it... Pressing E for edit does nothing. Why not?

[11:03:35]

stuarta:

sounds like it doesn't have a seektable

[11:03:43]

stuarta:

mythcommflag --rebuild

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eiggirC:

it does have a seek table

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blafd:

hmm not sure i would want to let the fe stop the backend unless specified from a remote terminal

[11:03:53]

eiggirC:

the icon shows it

[11:04:03]

eiggirC:

and even if it didn't I should still be able to hit E for edit

[11:04:14]

blafd:

can you run more then one frontend at a time?

[11:04:19]

eiggirC:

blafd: yeah

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eiggirC:

I run ~3

[11:04:22]

LLyric:

blafd: sure

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LLyric:

that's kindof the point :)

[11:04:26]

blafd:

man very cool

[11:05:02]

blafd:

i cant wait to see it working

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blafd:

hey you might of just seperated the fe and be for scalability reasons.. for all i knew ;p

[11:09:32]

LLyric:

you can have multiple frontends, and multiple backends

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LLyric:

you ask the system to record something, and it'll find a backend with a free capture device

[11:10:03]

LLyric:

very cool :)

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blafd:

this is going to be big

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** blafd get carried away and starts crying out death to mce!!! **

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blafd:

hehe ;)

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** blafd goes to the porceline scooter with a m$ flag bbs **

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eiggirC:

does myth choke on editing really big files cutlists? this is a 10 Gb recording which is ~6 hours long

[11:17:38]

eiggirC:

the filesystem underneath is okay with it

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** blafd makes a mental note to throw the towl in the local microsoft owned lake, rather then precious sewers **

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blafd:

rikes my freeview settop box scares me

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LLyric:

eiggirC: I don't see why it would have a problem

[11:21:16]

LLyric:

I edit >5Gb recordings all the time, no problem

[11:21:18]

blafd:

it methods of getting and conveying the time must be a bit beta or something

[11:22:34]

eiggirC:

LLyric: I think the recording is a bit whacked – I can't fast forward... I get 2006-04–28 23:20:41.112 Waited too long for decoder to pause

[11:23:03]

LLyric:

eiggirC: backend might be having problems?

[11:23:12]

LLyric:

My system is very low-end, and it works fine

[11:24:02]

LLyric:

Backends are a 566Mhz and 800Mhz, and frontends are mostly <1Ghz

[11:25:56]

eiggirC:

LLyric: heh my backend is a P3 at 866 and the frontend is a P3 700

[11:26:20]

eiggirC:

LLyric: messages like this make me suspect the mpeg file.... [mpeg2video @ 0xb763fd44]warning: first frame is no keyframe

[11:26:31]

eiggirC:

can I repair the mpeg file somehow?

[11:26:33]

LLyric:

With hardware (pvr150/250/350) the sdtv requirements are pretty low ;)

[11:26:36]

eiggirC:

reindex it or something?

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LLyric:

eiggirC: sorry, nfi

[11:26:53]

eiggirC:

there are no errors in the backend.log files.

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haj:

LLyric: my mythtv works pretty much ok on a 366MHz Celeron OC'ed to 500MHz.. i even do reencoding

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eiggirC:

bugger it – I go bed

[11:27:59]

eiggirC:

night all

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HomeyDC:

Is it possible to setup mythtv and play with most of the features (including looking at the channel lineup) w/o a capture card?

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HomeyDC:

tuner card

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LLyric:

HomeyDC: sure

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LLyric:

I guess you can create a dummy input

[12:07:42]

LLyric:

But maybe a livecd would be a good place to start, if you just wanted to explore

[12:09:01]

LLyric:

eg: knoppmyth http://knoppmythwiki.org/

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.com/686914 does this tell u guys something?

[13:10:43]

stuarta:

it crashed.

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Hoxzer:

No shit

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stuarta:

seriously, that is all you can tell from that info :)

[13:11:30]

Hoxzer:

Yeah

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Hoxzer:

I dunno but backend crashes like in 5min

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laga:

Hoxzer: you proving again that you read and understood "how to ask questions the smart way"?

[13:12:20]

stuarta:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc22.2

[13:13:03]

stuarta:

laga: you forgot <sarcasm></sarcasm>

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laga:

stuarta: sarcasm implies that i make fun of him, and that's certainly not true!!

[13:14:21]

stuarta:

just looks like it :)

[13:15:02]

laga:

stuarta: i'll have to work on my english skills then.

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** laga goes back to fixing his sarcasm detector... stupid fuse blew up **

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** stuarta turbo charges laga's sarcasm generator :) **

[13:19:21]

blafd:

right

[13:19:25]

blafd:

i got me the stinking card

[13:19:29]

blafd:

im gona regret this

[13:20:22]

blafd:

but i have this warm fuzzy feeling inside

[13:20:32]

blafd:

as usb == false

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blafd:

;D

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laga:

blafd: your poetry is rather thought-provoking. things like "WTF?!" come to my mind.

[13:21:41]

blafd:

what is mpeg-5?

[13:21:55]

blafd:

that provokes the thought "wtf!!"

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ivor:

laga you could

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ivor:

have written

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ivor:

your response as

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ivor:

a haiku.

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laga:

at my fingertips

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laga:

is my response

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laga:

though, poetry it's not

[13:25:34]

laga:

what it deserves

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laga:

to be called.

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blafd:

Oo

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blafd:

theres a big red light on the avermedia card

[13:27:49]

** laga wonders if he could get at haikus **

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JasonX:

Does Myth 0.19 now cache the settings table from db and only reload it if setup is re-entered?

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blafd:

hmmmm

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JasonX:

It sjust that I used to alter values in db in the xml scripts before calling say mythvideo in 0.18 and in 0.19 they dont seem to get picked up

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imperfectus:

Is there anyway to configure recording without using the frontend?

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imperfectus:

like a web-based version?

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laga:

imperfectus: mythweb

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blafd:

me and a friend were thinking about making some simple bash/perl scripts to manipulate the db

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blafd:

not sure if its worth it though..

[13:36:30]

JasonX:

i have written scripts to extensively manipulate the db

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blafd:

coo.. are they included?

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: Yes it does have a settings cache

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JasonX:

and that is new?

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GreyFoxx:

Yup

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GreyFoxx:

new in 0.19 and up

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JasonX:

hmm sorry about my moaning yesterday, but i think i have been very unlucky

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JasonX:

I spent a good six weeks scripting and co-ercing 0.18 to be a great video database for your dvd's BUT all the changes have made every aspect of it unworkable now and I cannot see any workarounds

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JasonX:

I presume the settings cache is only reloaded when you go into setup?

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GreyFoxx:

there are a few scenarios, but yes altering a setting. There is a signal t hat can be sent to cause it to clear I believe

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JasonX:

OK I will look for it. I posted a script on myth-users that will create 10k test records in mythmetadata and dummy files to demonstrate the probs I am having with mythvideo 0.19

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I saw the message

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JasonX:

ahhh ok

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JasonX:

hopefully i wasnt too rude, but i have been very frustrated

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GreyFoxx:

heh, no worries :)

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JasonX:

I will post the scripts I created on knoppmyth site later, which may explain even more

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JasonX:

as they will grab all imdb entries for all your files automatically in 1 hit

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GreyFoxx:

I wont see those :)

[13:46:22]

JasonX:

well i will post to myth-users and link to files on my web server

[13:46:31]

JasonX:

also

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe last night I took the time to run through and add the metadata to the various movies I have in my video directory. Got everything else under .ignore and now the GF loves the gallery heh

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JasonX:

Yer I pretend I am doing this all for my gf too!!

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GreyFoxx:

man, I gotta stop calling her that. "The Wife loves the gallery"

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GreyFoxx:

I still call her the GF

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JasonX:

how many movies do u have

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JasonX:

stored in it

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GreyFoxx:

Only a 100. The rest of the stuff like Documentaries, Baby shows, and TV stuff I no longer have in the database at all

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imperfectus:

Anyone know where i get mod_env

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GreyFoxx:

impor: It's part of apache

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imperfectus:

GreyFoxx : Yeah, but I dont seem to have it on my system..

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GreyFoxx:

It's normally compiled directly in

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GreyFoxx:

run httpd -l

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GreyFoxx:

see if you see it listed

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imperfectus:

Yep

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imperfectus:

;)

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imperfectus:

Thanks.

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JasonX:

actually I was looking through the http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythvideo yesterday, maybe you could point me in the direction of the relevant files that deal with the initial loading or not of the metadata so I could have a peek

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: I had 800+ including the TV stuff, but now it's down to only 100 thanks to the .ignore in the scanning

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: Offhand I couldn't tell ya. It's been a while since I looked specifically at that

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JasonX:

I looked through it a bit last night but i was very tired and couldnt locate it

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imperfectus:

Well that sucks.

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7848 That is the change that added the option to nto load metadata in video list

[13:57:13]

imperfectus:

Everything appears to be setup correctly

[13:57:25]

imperfectus:

but mythweb is saying my db_* is incorrect

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laga:

imperfectus: did you read the README?

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imperfectus:

Yes I did.

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laga:

did you modify .htaccess?

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imperfectus:

I didn't have to

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imperfectus:

the default were correct

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JasonX:

OK thanks, i have decided to dual boot a 0.18 & 0.19 and attempt to set the 0.19 up as a devel system

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JasonX:

i see you took your load time from 1.3s to .25 s but increased mine to 120s! :) well dunno is it was that actually but, anyway thx for yur help

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bio__:

anyone knows of a gpl surveillance software? by now i found zoneminder and it seems quite promising, but maybe theres something even better? :)

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Zider:

bio__: surveillance in mythtv?

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bio__:

well, if it is possible yes, but i doubt it. so the question is generally

[14:05:21]

Zider:

ah

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Zider:

well, I don't know what zoneminder does.. so..

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bio__:

takes the image of a camera-device and does motion detection, etc.

[14:06:14]

bio__:

cctv software

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Zider:

oh that kind of stuff

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bio__:

http://www.zoneminder.com/

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Zider:

zoneminder looks pretty nifty.. :)

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imperfectus:

hell yeah

[14:11:00]

imperfectus:

mythweb is awesome!

[14:11:01]

imperfectus:

;)

[14:11:02]

imperfectus:

thanks guys

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Zider:

yes it is :D

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laga:

imperfectus: what was the problem?

[14:12:18]

imperfectus:

misspelling in my <Directory> statement ;)

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Zider:

bio__: take a look at Motion

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laga:

imperfectus: heh ;)

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imperfectus:

wow

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imperfectus:

that's awesome

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imperfectus:

this thing is finally morphing into the thing I dreamed it would be ;)

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Zider:

mighty morphin mythtv rangers

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imperfectus:

The only issue i havenow is that it randomly decides when and when not to transcode

[14:14:32]

imperfectus:

sometimes it does

[14:14:35]

imperfectus:

sometimes it dioesn't

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imperfectus:

i dont get it

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laga:

imperfectus: i'd suggest that you take a look at the backend logs.

[14:18:05]

imperfectus:

You know..

[14:18:12]

imperfectus:

I have it loggign now

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imperfectus:

so im waiting for something i'm recording right now to finishj

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imperfectus:

I'll tell ya what

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imperfectus:

I totally see how you guys end up with 3 and 4 tuners

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imperfectus:

there's just too much stuff you want to see ;)

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** laga only has one normal tuner ;) **

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imperfectus:

and there are conflicts ;)

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laga:

and a dboxII

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imperfectus:

well

[14:18:48]

laga:

but it's shitty.

[14:18:49]

imperfectus:

I've got one

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imperfectus:

and I'm like conflicting already ;)

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laga:

heh

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imperfectus:

and i dont watch tv at all currently

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laga:

i don't record much

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stuarta:

imperfectus: now you have mythweb going, it's easy to check over your recording schedules

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laga:

and i actually don't watch most of my recordings

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laga:

too busy with other stuff

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laga:

that reminds me, i forgot to record the new season of stargate: atlantis.

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laga:

crap

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Zider:

laga: they started on season 3 now?

[14:21:05]

laga:

Zider: no, season two in germany.

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Zider:

ah

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** stuarta is waiting for s2 in uk **

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Zider:

I have the whole s1 and s2 here.. waiting for them to start with s3 already :P

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laga:

heh ;)

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laga:

or, i dunno if it's season 2, i've heard differing reports

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Zider:

what channel?

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laga:

how i love bash. 'line 1500: unexpected end of file'. now i've gotta use my brain as a bash interpreter to find the fscking syntax error

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laga:

Zider: dunno, rtl probably, i don't care much about channels anymore. mythtv is the way to go ;)

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Zider:

07.14.06 is the date when the first episode of s3 will be aired..

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Zider:

so you must be getting s2

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laga:

or they're showing s1 again

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Zider:

could be

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Zider:

sweden has too crappy channels so I have to download it :/

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Zider:

I want scifi dammit!!!!

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Zider:

bloody cable companies

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bio__:

sattelite?

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Zider:

can't have a dish here

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Zider:

not one that can receive scifi anyways

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bio__:

well, you could put it anywhere, setup a mythbox there, get a dedicated line from there to your home, et voila ;)

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

I don't even have a fully usable mythbox here

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bio__:

not "fully usable"?

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Zider:

the tv cards tuner is fried, I have to record from the composite in from my vcr

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bio__:

ah

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Zider:

the hard drive is too slow to record anything

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Zider:

the tv card sucks goat genitals

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Zider:

hm

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Zider:

tve gfx card even

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bio__:

well, those are marginal costs ^^

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bio__:

but what sort of harddrive is to slow?

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Zider:

not if you're unemployed

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bio__:

actually dont quite know the datarate mpeg2 is recording at

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Zider:

bio__: UDMA2 5400rpm

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laga:

Zider: is DMA enabled?

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bio__:

hmm, and what does hdparm -tT say?

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Zider:

laga: yes

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bio__:

udma2 at 5400rpm shouldnt have any problems

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Zider:

well it does.. lags and jumps..

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bio__:

from the harddrive?

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bio__:

or not enough processing power?

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Zider:

bio__: both while watching tv and when watching the recording.. and the drive light is on all the time while recording..

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Zider:

celeron 2,6GHz

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Zider:

Timing cached reads: 1856 MB in 2.00 seconds = 927.28 MB/sec

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Zider:

Timing buffered disk reads: 34 MB in 3.10 seconds = 10.97 MB/sec

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imperfectus:

Zider: have you tried rtprio ?

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imperfectus:

Zider: in /etc/security/limits.conf

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Zider:

imperfectus: rtwhat?

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bio__:

realtime priority

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laga:

11MB/s should be sufficient for mythtv

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Zider:

laga: then something else must be screwed, because the recordings always have skips and jumps..

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Zider:

and the drive light is constantly on while watching tv and while recording

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imperfectus:

man

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imperfectus:

mythweb > *.

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bio__:

imperfectus ^^

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frederikfdvp:

hi everyone

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frederikfdvp:

i run mythtv on a amd duron 1600 with 512 mb ram , , now i am trying to view television on my laptop and i get this error http://pastebin.com/687067

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frederikfdvp:

anyone know what could be the problem ?

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Dibblah_:

Your date is set wrong.

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frederikfdvp:

my data ?

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frederikfdvp:

date ?

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Dibblah_:

No, your date.

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frederikfdvp:

but i see on kde desktop that the time is correct

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Dibblah_:

Do you have guide data?

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frederikfdvp:

nope

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Dibblah_:

Fix that first :)

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frederikfdvp:

don't think its that , when i first installed it on another pc i could watch tv without guide data

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imperfectus:

Is there a way to get mythtranscode to not save to .nuv??

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Slyboots:

Hello

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Slyboots:

Having a odd issue with Myth, It does nto seem to be ablt ot chance the channel I am watching..

[15:33:25]

Slyboots:

the TV guide data is fine, but the only station I get on myth, is the station I was watching on xawtv before I exited

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Slyboots:

(yes, I ran mythfilldatabase)

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Slyboots:

Anyone alive? :)

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** stuarta is asleep **

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** laga is going insane **

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** Slyboots gets out.. the "Stick!" **

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blafd:

hmm

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stuarta:

gone I think...

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laga:

stuarta: well, it all depends on your POV. maybe i'm just bringing my madness up to another level?

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** stuarta eats the Stick **

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Slyboots:

o.O Agh! not the stick!

[15:37:58]

Slyboots:

Nooooooooo *cries!*

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stuarta:

i know I'm mad

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Slyboots:

Okay, I've tried TVTime, it can access the card, and change the station

[15:39:14]

Slyboots:

Myth, only shows the last station I was watching on TvTime

[15:39:26]

Slyboots:

I can tell myth to change the station, and the TV guide bar updates correctly

[15:39:34]

Slyboots:

But it doesnt actuly change the station

[15:39:45]

Slyboots:

It just seems to think it has

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stuarta:

interesting.

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Slyboots:

actuly no, wait thats wrong

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Slyboots:

It always defaults to BBC.. 2 I think that is

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Slyboots:

(Differnet station)

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Slyboots:

Just wont shift from that

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stuarta:

dvb-t or analogue

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Slyboots:

Analogue

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Slyboots:

(RF input, ona Bt878 chipset card)

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stuarta:

ugh

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Slyboots:

dont you start

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Slyboots:

Im poor o.o

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Slyboots:

:D

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stuarta:

with dvb cards only 40 quid?

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Slyboots:

I dont get a strong enough signal in my room for a DVB card to work

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blafd:

when i load the saa7134 driver: doing the following modprobe saa7134 i2c_scan=1 tuner=75 it dosnt fine /dev/video

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Slyboots:

So that would be a rather hefty waste of money

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laga:

gee. enough money for massive walls, but not for a good card? ;)

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blafd:

i2c scan: found device @ 0x1e [???]

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imperfectus:

Can you get a card that acts as a digital cable box?

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Slyboots:

Not massive walls, just a crappy aerial

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Slyboots:

Small indoor one

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** fred_basset chews on a stick he found **

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Slyboots:

Signal is rubish, But thats something I'll be fixing later on

[15:44:07]

Slyboots:

Anyhow, I need to be able to change channels first :P

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Slyboots:

Any clues where I could start looking for the problem?

[15:45:09]

Slyboots:

I checked the forum, quite a few posts on the problem, but none seem to have a actual answer

[15:45:22]

fred_basset:

sounds like it thinks all your chanels are on the same frequency

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alvin_chipmunk:

or your channel's aren't set up properly, e.g. only one channel having a frequency set

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Slyboots:

Hmm.. so back to mythtv-setup?

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jams:

or it's attempting to use an external channel change script that doesn't work

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alvin_chipmunk:

Slyboots: yep

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Slyboots:

Okay, Seems I have to shudwon the backend

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Slyboots:

is there a command for doing that? or will just sending kill be enough?

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fred_basset:

kill works

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Slyboots:

Hm, apparently not

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fred_basset:

then that's got something to do with your problem.

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Slyboots:

Still running

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Slyboots:

Kill 9 did it :P

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fred_basset:

of course, it can't be ignored

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alvin_chipmunk:

well, zombies can

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fred_basset:

yeah but they need therapy

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alvin_chipmunk:

i've never managed to help one :7

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Slyboots:

Okay, ran it again

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Slyboots:

Running the backend scripts..

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Slyboots:

Hm..

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Slyboots:

Intresting

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Slyboots:

I can change channel, but there is no TV Guide infomation now

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Slyboots:

lol

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fred_basset:

it's an improvement

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Slyboots:

Slightly

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Dibblah_:

Friday again, is it?

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fred_basset:

yah

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blafd:

garh

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blafd:

i cany get it to work !

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: Trac is not the place for suggestions or wishlist

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GreyFoxx:

Trac is for bugreports and patch submission

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GreyFoxx:

and "I don't like the way you changed it" is not a bug report :)

[16:05:04]

GreyFoxx:

FYI just in case Isaac closes the ticket :)

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fred_basset:

which he will

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Slyboots:

Okaym, Realy getting places here now ;)

[16:08:07]

Slyboots:

How do I.. Delete a station from Myth>

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Slyboots:

I only see a option to delete *all* stations

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fred_basset:

highlight the station & press delete...

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fred_basset:

does nobody test programs by pressing all the buttons anymore????

[16:09:16]

Dibblah_:

Uh... Huh. So we can code around the mythvideo issues he has, but can't manage to make a simple script to create fake records.

[16:09:22]

Slyboots:

Well weridly I did try that

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Slyboots:

And nothing happened, hence my confusion

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** fred_basset spies a tasty slipper **

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** Slyboots is refering to myth-setup in this case **

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Slyboots:

?

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Slyboots:

Never mind, found a way around it

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Slyboots:

Set the ones I didnet want to (Unassigned) and just deleted that group

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Slyboots:

Nope, that just deleted them all

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Slyboots:

Great..

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fred_basset:

later all, it's beer o'clock

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imperfectus:

can mythbackend use tuners in other computers to record?

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imperfectus:

like can i set up one master backend and have it control all the recording setups?

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jams:

if you setup the other computer as a slave backend, then yes

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imperfectus:

I see

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imperfectus:

sweet

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imperfectus:

;)

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imperfectus:

it'll just farm out the recording jobs to the tuner in the other backend?

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Slyboots:

Woohoo!

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Slyboots:

All 4 stations working :)

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JasonX:

Greyfoxx: I'm not sure what you mean – what have I done wrong. I spent a lot of time testing and then submitting the report as I assumed you are suppposed to

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JasonX:

Dibblah: I'm not asking you to code around 'my' mythvideo issues. If you follow what I wrote and test it out there is no denying that it doesn't work properly anymore

[16:34:57]

JasonX:

I added the script to save whoe ever looked at it time

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** drdaz farts vigorously **

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: What I was saying was that Trac is not intended to be a "Please change this functionality" or "Can you do this?" place. The -dev list is for that. Trac is for "hey the app crashed and here is a gdb backtrace for it" and "I implemented this function and here is the patch" stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Isaac tends to close most tickets that appear as change requests

[16:37:01]

JasonX:

greyfoxx : well the ticket below it mentions exactly one of the problems that it encompasses

[16:37:29]

GreyFoxx:

Ticket below it ?

[16:37:40]

JasonX:

the one below it in the mythvideo section

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, you are looking at the webbased list. I'm jsut reading the trac/commits mailing list

[16:38:00]

GreyFoxx:

:)

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JasonX:

I read this first too : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

[16:41:28]

GreyFoxx:

You had mentioned one thing I found curious

[16:41:57]

GreyFoxx:

It shows the file hierarchy BUT it orders sub-folders

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GreyFoxx:

randomly. They seem to be ordered alphabetically based on the files they

[16:41:58]

GreyFoxx:

contain not on the actual folder name.

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JasonX:

yer exactly

[16:42:23]

JasonX:

i did this too

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JasonX:

UPDATE videometadata SET filename = CONCAT(LEFT(filename, CHAR_LENGTH(filename) – LOCATE('/',REVERSE(filename)) + 1),title,RIGHT(filename,LOCATE('.',REVERSE(filename))) );

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen anything show up in video list that wasn't in alphabetical order

[16:43:00]

JasonX:

if u have a folder containing both files and folders

[16:43:18]

GreyFoxx:

Which I have many of

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JasonX:

the folders appear in the order of the first file within the folder not the folder name

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drdaz:

debugging your issues might be a little problematic given that you're running scripts that alter the DB dont u think?

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GreyFoxx:

So you are saying that the following should show B above A in video list ?

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GreyFoxx:

./a

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GreyFoxx:

./a/z.avi

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GreyFoxx:

./b

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GreyFoxx:

./b/y.avi

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JasonX:

no the scripts were just used to create the db in the first place

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drdaz:

ahh

[16:45:01]

JasonX:

well to fill it

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xris:

JasonX: if you think your ticket was closed incorrectly, then reopen it with an explanation.

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imperfectus:

/exit

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imperfectus:

exit

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JasonX:

ahh has it been closed already

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xris:

thought you said it was.

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GreyFoxx:

Not yet, I was jsut warning you to expect it to be

[16:45:58]

xris:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

But please answer my question. According to what you describe you would expect the path structure I mentioned to show B above A ?

[16:47:10]

JasonX:

well the best thing i guess would be for me to shrink down my db to say 10 records that isolate the problem

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GreyFoxx:

What is more likely is that you are seeing sorting based on the order the files are returned from the database query,. though that's just a guess

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JasonX:

eg in my darama subfolder it is ordered thus (yes it sorted by title in the filter BTW)

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JasonX:

prisoner/ 24/ priosn break/ spooks/ etc...

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GreyFoxx:

Well, I can't say anything about the video filters since I don'

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GreyFoxx:

t use any of those

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JasonX:

as it all worked fine in 0.18 then i know something has changed

[16:49:53]

JasonX:

well know i am saying that it is at the default 'sort by title'

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JasonX:

as in the problem is not that i have forgotten to set that correctly

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GreyFoxx:

I'd almost stake money it's got to do with how the order the data is returned from the database

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drdaz:

heh... Isaac didnt close the ticket :p

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JasonX:

this is using as explained just using metadata NOT scanning new files (as that takes 2 mins so i cant use that)

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GreyFoxx:

So it makes it more likely it's how the files are returned from the database. I could totally see that happenning

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GreyFoxx:

That should be easy to change

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JasonX:

what seems to have happened though is as i said that the metadata is no longer respected as being correct

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

It's probably just not being sorted properly from the database

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JasonX:

sorry what i meant by that was

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JasonX:

that eg in gallery view the only way I can get the folder structure in place, is to allow for ALL the meatadata to be rechecked which now takes 2 mins, like its not trusted

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GreyFoxx:

It's not

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JasonX:

if you turn off the VideoGalleryNoDB in order to stop it rechecking all the metadata you get a totally flat view

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GreyFoxx:

yup, I saw that

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JasonX:

Umm let me delete all bar 10 records so i can show u an example of the misordering issue brb

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GreyFoxx:

FYI, the changes that took my load time down 1 one second have ONLY apply to video list, and video manager, NOT to gallery or browse

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GreyFoxx:

at all

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GreyFoxx:

they ONLY apply to video list where the user does NOT want it to load meta data in video list

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GreyFoxx:

so your increased time has nothing to do with it

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JasonX:

i looked at that ticket u pointed me to and it seemed to locate a file and then check to see if it was in the metadata

[17:02:28]

JasonX:

as u say i dunno if that is slowing it down so much

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GreyFoxx:

Jason, no, my mods make it not load/check meta data

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JasonX:

ok but with my test it takes 5 minutes to startup mythvideo with 10k records, ok thats a lot of records BUT it shows that if ANYONE has a large db they wont be able to use it, with 1k records thats 30 seconds

[17:08:09]

GreyFoxx:

takes about .5 seconds for 850 records here

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JasonX:

OK but that test i posted takes 5 mins (just creating small db with unsorted folder issue)

[17:17:40]

blafd:

fuck

[17:18:00]

blafd:

this avermedia card cant be supported ;(

[17:19:54]

blafd:

i thought it was gona be the AverTVHD MCE

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xris:

JasonX: might just need to rework some queries

[17:21:01]

JasonX:

OK i have created an sql files that will demonstrate the sorting problem

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JasonX:

i shall pastebin it

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GreyFoxx:

post it to the -dev list or something

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GreyFoxx:

30 seconds to open video list with 21000 files

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** coffee88 thinks 21000 videos is a tad excessive.... **

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JasonX:

but that test i posted took 5 mins to open 10,000

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GreyFoxx:

coffe 20000 are blank files just for testing :)

[17:23:30]

** coffee88 tries to think up even 1000 movies/episodes worth watching... **

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JasonX:

maybe your settings are different

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blafd:

damnit its a A16 things

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JasonX:

the issue is when you have B) = on (on=will show all files whether scanned or not/off=will only show video meta data)

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JasonX:

video gallery browses files(

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JasonX:

ooops

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JasonX:

B) = on (on=will show all files whether scanned or not/off=will only show video meta data)

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JasonX:

video gallery browses files(

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JasonX:

sugar

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JasonX:

paste has a cr on the end

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GreyFoxx:

Loading Video list is very different than loading Gallery :)

[17:25:18]

GreyFoxx:

and I'm just messing with Video List at the moment

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JasonX:

OK what about load video list with VideoTreeLoadMetaData=1 & VideoTreeNoDB=1

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plb:

eh I was in here the other day asking what card is good to use and someone mentioned pvr-150 can anyone tell me where the cheapest place online to get one is?

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kormoc:

plb, newegg is good, froogle might find you slightly better

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GreyFoxx:

Jason, tell me the setting name, not the variable in the database :)

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plb:

ok thanks

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plb:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/131

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plb:

is this the correct one?

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JasonX:

ohh um 'video list browse files' = on & "video list loads meta data' = on (the files in meta data will need to exist)

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, I always use video list browse files and I just turned on the loading of meta data

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GreyFoxx:

about to time it

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JasonX:

lemme just put back my main data and retest that

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GreyFoxx:

1.5 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

could be sped up a few ways I can think of

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plb:

eh whats the difference between the pvr-150 and the pvr-150 MCE?

[17:30:42]

plb:

er

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GreyFoxx:

I think one has a remote and one doesn't

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plb:

media center edition

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xris:

plb: better audio plugs on the MCE version

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plb:

mce one is also cheaper

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xris:

and no remote

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GreyFoxx:

Oh yeah, this could be shrunk close to 30 seconds easily

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JasonX:

here is that other db problem http://pastebin.ca/52058

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JasonX:

its a .sql file

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JasonX:

this is 4 records from my data, the real files dont need to exist

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JasonX:

i set the relevent settings in the db, so u may need to enter settings after running to so the cache gets reloaded

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coffee88:

why would a rating be up to 255 char long?

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JasonX:

ahh that cos i store the actors names in it instead

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coffee88:

ah

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JasonX:

I KNOW i've changed a few bits but thats why i created that test script to test it native to check it wasnt just me

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sphery:

coffee88: won't affect storage size...

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sphery:

It's 128 in the regular schema...

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JasonX:

yer i chnaged ut back in my test, i forgot in that quick test

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coffee88:

sphery: I know, but I was just curious... Even 128 seems a bit excessive...

[17:38:21]

sphery:

Yeah. Just mentioning...

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JasonX:

well in the examples i used they dont have much meta data , if i used the movies then they have been populated from imdb and have a full set of data

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JasonX:

i stored actors names in countries as well, but left genres alone

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JasonX:

maybe if i posted my getimdb.sh it would be more clear

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JasonX:

but its a bit quirky and i kept changing it depending on what i wanted it to do at that point

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sphery:

JasonX: How is your data sorting for those 4 records?

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JasonX:

here is the mad script (only started linux in jan 2006 so no xpert but i try)

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JasonX:

http://pastebin.ca/52064

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sphery:

TTBOMK, the only time we ever sort in memory (after the DB returns its records sorted) is when using sort by title (so it can remove indefinite articles--a, an, the, or translations--from the title and then sort).

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JasonX:

sphery: umm sorry can you re explain do u mean filter sort = titles?

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sphery:

Yes.

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sphery:

So, if you use the metadata from the database and sort by title, it will re-sort after the database.

[17:44:31]

sphery:

If using any other sort, it's done in the database with an ORDER BY.

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JasonX:

in myth 0.18 it used to show them correctly

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sphery:

I don't know, though, how it's handled if you're not using the metadata (i.e. just looking at the files on the filesystem), but I would guess (since I don't see any other sorting data), the records are sorted as returned from the filesystem scan.

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sphery:

Are you using metadata or not?

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JasonX:

yer that was some of the metadata i posted in pastebin that showed the problem

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sphery:

(i.e. are you telling it to just view all files on the filesystem--regardless of whether they're in the database)

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

Between 0.18 and 0.19, a change went in to allow the re-sorting after removing the indefinite articles.

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JasonX:

i set the flags in the sql to demo the issue

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JasonX:

i think if u just run that sql and go into mythvideo it should show it

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sphery:

Yeah, but I don't feel like nuking my video database (and turning on the TV or stopping the frontend so I can redisplay it) just to see what you're seeing.

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sphery:

So, what order do they appear?

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sphery:

Those 4, specifically.

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JasonX:

well i am just using webmin to swap diff db's in/out

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JasonX:

err ok i will have to re-run it as i put old (big) db back

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JasonX:

hmmm the settings cache need to be made to reload

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JasonX:

crikey i cant seem to get it to work i may have set the 2 settings wrong in that example brb

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JasonX:

the cache is catching me out

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sphery:

BTW, are you using SVN head or 0.19 (or 0.19-fixes SVN)?

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JasonX:

0.19

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JasonX:

ok the order is

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JasonX:

Twilight Zone.01/ Doctor Who/ X Files/ Blakes 7/

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sphery:

Which settings?

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sphery:

Not the ones in the SQL you posted?

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JasonX:

when viewed with 'video list browse files' = off & "video list loads meta data' = on

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sphery:

Using which view? List?

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JasonX:

yer list view

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JasonX:

hmmm the sql i posted seems to have the correct settings

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JasonX:

maybe the cache ignores them

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sphery:

Well, that means they're properly sorting by the title specified in the SQL (000.Rod Sterling Interview, 082.Pyramids Of Mars, 1x01.Pilot, 1x13.Orac)

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sphery:

Note, though, that title != filename...

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JasonX:

yer but not from the folder viewpoint

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JasonX:

as in 0.18

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sphery:

But you have it set to sort by title...

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JasonX:

i think 0.18 used the filename path + the title

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sphery:

So you're saying it shouldn't sort by title when you select sort by title?

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JasonX:

yer sort by title BUT it has to sort by folder first

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JasonX:

it should sort by title within each folder but not like this

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JasonX:

if u have run it then as you can see it doesnt make sense

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JasonX:

in 0.18 it sorted properly and all made sense

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sphery:

Well, George Nassus wrote a patch for MythVideo that does some different stuff for ordering... Does it sound like it does what you want? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1569

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JasonX:

ummm lemme see

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JasonX:

well i just want it work normally as any file explorer does and as 0.18 did

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JasonX:

lemms see that ticket

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plb:

do these cards work: Hauppauge! WinTV-GO PCI Card ?

[18:02:02]

kormoc:

plb, likely, but quality will suck and you'll need a rather hefty processor to use them with myth

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plb:

and the ati wonder don't work right?

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sphery:

plb: you really do want the PVR-150...

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JasonX:

not sure no4 seems to relate to it maybe. i think just running the example sql demonstrates the problem best

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xris:

plb: wonder, yes, all-in-wonder, no

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plb:

ya I'm looking for stores in my area that carry the pvr-150

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xris:

pvr-150 *is* the best option if you don't have digital cable.

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xris:

or if your cable provider sucks and doesn't open all of the channels on the firewire port.

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sphery:

JasonX: well, that patch will probably apply to 0.19

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sphery:

Some or all of it may go into SVN head at some point.

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JasonX:

ahhi forgot the ; on that sql example i posted on last 2 lines of sql hence it didnt set the settings

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JasonX:

FIX = http://pastebin.ca/52070

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xris:

oh so many cool things we could do for mythtv's queries if we forced people to upgrade to 5.x :)

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JasonX:

i think my problem was that it had changed soo much from 0.18 and didnt make sense anymore

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JasonX:

at least not in these contexts i am showing

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Zider:

JasonX: are you still on about that? :)

[18:07:42]

JasonX:

i have been working thru it with sphere

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JasonX:

oops – sphery

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sphery:

?

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sphery:

JasonX: (Can't guarantee this is the right setting name, but...) What happens if you set:

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sphery:

REPLACE INTO settings VALUES ('listDefaultOrderby', '100', 'hostname');

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sphery:

Make sure you change the hostname appropriately...

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sphery:

and reload the settings cache

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JasonX:

ok i will see

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JasonX:

it didnt seem to make any diff – REPLACE INTO settings VALUES ('listDefaultOrderby', '100', 'mythtv');

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sphery:

OK. One sec...

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sphery:

I think the name of the setting is wrong...

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sphery:

You can delete the row if you like...

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alvin_chipmunk:

OT: how do you guys diff two directories? i'd like to have a patch that includes whole files (which only exist in one directory). diff -r just says 'Only in mythtv/setup: Makefile' etc

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sphery:

JasonX: REPLACE INTO settings VALUES ('VideoDefaultOrderby', '100', 'mythtv');

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sphery:

alvin_chipmunk: Are you making a patch for Myth?

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sphery:

If so, use "svn add path/to/filename" for each new file

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sphery:

And then "svn diff" will show (all non-binary files)

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alvin_chipmunk:

sphery: yeah, kind of, but i don't have the svn stuff anymore (not making a patch that's supposed to go upstream)

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sphery:

Then you can use something like "diff -Naur myth-orig myth-modified"

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alvin_chipmunk:

sphery: thanks, i'll check it out!

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sphery:

Where myth-orig and myth-modified are directories containing the Myth stuff

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sphery:

only problem is you have to make sure you have clean directories (i.e. can't have compiled in one of them first)

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alvin_chipmunk:

that's not a problem, i've done a make distclean :)

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sphery:

Well, I've got to get some work done...

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alvin_chipmunk:

sphery: have fun

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plb:

Aside from a video card and the pvr-150 card do I need anything else to get everything up and running

[18:47:46]

plb:

?

[18:47:59]

plb:

I'm about to go out and get the pvr, finally found a store that carries it

[18:48:00]

mchou:

heh, a big hard drive

[18:48:08]

plb:

I got a 120

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coffee88:

mchou: beat me to it!

[18:48:16]

mchou:

that's not big

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plb:

heh what??

[18:48:26]

plb:

what do i need?

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mchou:

ask your g/f :)

[18:48:38]

coffee88:

1 TB?

[18:48:42]

plb:

heh ;]

[18:49:14]

plb:

no but really anything else...I'm about to go get it in a minute..don't want to have to go back for anything else ;]

[18:49:19]

sphery:

plb: 120 will get you about 100–120hrs at (extremely low quality)

[18:49:29]

sphery:

Most people use about 2GB/hr, so it would be about 60 hrs.

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plb:

er explain how this works here

[18:49:52]

sphery:

I use 1GB/hr, but it's extremely low quality.

[18:50:08]

sphery:

You specify the bitrate you want to use to record your vide.

[18:50:10]

sphery:

video

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plb:

you need that to just watch tv??

[18:50:33]

sphery:

The bitrate (and nothing else--such as resolution) determines the size of your recordings

[18:51:00]

sphery:

So, if you specify the default bitrate settings, you'll get about 2GB/hr

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** coffee88 is glad dvb-t takes care of all that for him... **

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plb:

wait you cannot watch live tv?

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sphery:

If you change it, you can get smaller files and lower quality

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TT:

hi all

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TT:

anybody has ibm stb?

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sphery:

LiveTV is still done as recordings, but will "autoexpire" for you when you're short on space.

[18:51:44]

coffee88:

plb: once you get used to having a mythbox, you'll never watch live tv again...

[18:51:53]

sphery:

If you don't use the recordings part of MythTV, you're not really using MythTV...

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plb:

heh well if I can watch livetv right?

[18:52:19]

sphery:

Yeah.

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plb:

ok

[18:52:41]

sphery:

Since I set up my Myth box, though, I've /only/ used LiveTV for testing...

[18:53:06]

sphery:

I'd rather watch TV without commercials (and play it back at faster than real-time) so I can do TV on /my/ schedule. :)

[18:53:06]

plb:

Is it a pita to setup?

[18:53:18]

sphery:

No more so than regular Myth setup.

[18:53:28]

sphery:

If you've set up Myth properly it will do both LiveTV and recordings...

[18:54:09]

plb:

cool

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sphery:

You can always start with 120GB HDD and upgrade later when you figure out you need more space. :)

[18:54:37]

plb:

but to watch livetv does it take up space?

[18:54:42]

sphery:

Yes.

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xris:

sphery: or keep the hard drive and just export stuff to small avi files onto another machine

[18:54:55]

sphery:

That's how you can pause, rewind, etc.

[18:55:11]

sphery:

xris: true.

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plb:

but can it be disabled to not save ?

[18:55:18]

sphery:

No

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kormoc:

plb, no

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xris:

plb: doesn't matter.

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sphery:

If you don't want to save, use xawtv or something.

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xris:

plb: it will erase old livetv recordings if it needs space

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sphery:

It's much easier to set up and doesn't save.

[18:55:41]

plb:

ah ok

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plb:

thanks for the help guys I'll be back later when I get everything to let you know how it goes

[18:56:06]

plb:

cheers

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sphery:

gl

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frederikfdvp:

hi

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frederikfdvp:

does someone know what this means http://pastebin.com/687474

[19:01:51]

frederikfdvp:

can't be the guide data, just configured it

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frederikfdvp:

someone ?

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mmead:

frederikfdvp: is that the frontend log or backend log?

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frederikfdvp:

fronted

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frederikfdvp:

this is backend log http://pastebin.com/687506

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frederikfdvp:

but the error off the fronted are from another pc (laptop)

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frederikfdvp:

on the backend pc , i can watch tv

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laga:

did you fix your guide data?

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frederikfdvp:

yes , i have guide data now

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frederikfdvp:

nvm , seems its works now :)

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Hoxzer:

Don't be gay

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ivor:

hmm what does "unreported world" in recgroup mean?

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ivor:

2006-04–28 20:00:02.257 TVRec(1): StartedRecording(0xae09ea20) fn(/var/video/1004_20060428200002.mpg)

[19:28:33]

ivor:

2006-04–28 20:00:02.299 TVRec(1): FinishedRecording(Unreported World) in recgroup: LiveTV

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laga:

hoxzer is an idiot. :)

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SlyChocobo:

hm, after lots of tweaking and fiddling.. and poking myth and Debian with a stick

[19:29:36]

SlyChocobo:

I've come to a conclusion.. I need a new TV card :)

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SlyChocobo:

since I dont have much experiance with linux hardware, or myth related hardware for that matter, I figured you guys might have some feedback on what I should be looking for

[19:31:01]

SlyChocobo:

(The ability to view "freeview" as they spin it here, would be nice so I need DVB-..T?

[19:33:02]

SlyChocobo:

I was intrested in a PCI card that would be able to control and accept a "Telewest" cable connection, but it does not seem like you can do that.. (Card is locked to a set reciver)

[19:36:22]

SlyChocobo:

*cough*

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xris:

SlyChocobo: then you want dvb-c, not dvb-t

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SlyChocobo:

Isnet Dvb-C for Cable?

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xris:

you said cable, no?

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SlyChocobo:

Cable would be ideal, but I dont think it would work at all

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SlyChocobo:

Due to "Telewest" also known as "Bastards" lock there subscription cards to the reciver, so even if the card had a CAM expansion slot, it wouldnet work

[19:38:56]

SlyChocobo:

I think the idea is that you cant take your card to another reciver (say a neighbour or your mate) and watch your subcription from there

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xris:

then yeah, -t and doing over the air stuff is going to be your best bet... OR.... analog signal from the cable box into something like a pvr-150

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SlyChocobo:

wouldnet I need to setup a external device to control the Cable box then?, Using that "Red-eye" thing?

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laga:

hi Juski

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Juski:

hi laga

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xris:

yes, unless the cable box has a serial port

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** Juski is knackered **

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Juski:

you ready for the weekend laga? I think I'll be phoning out for food tonight

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SlyChocobo:

I doubt it does..

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laga:

Juski: uh, almost ready. currently finishg up MeinMythTV RC1, i'll prolly go out after that.

[19:41:22]

laga:

(and get wasted o/)

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SlyChocobo:

2Well in the mean time, I guess I'll stick with a -t card, Do you guys have any suggestions that will work well with Debian Myth :)

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Juski:

laga: heheh

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Juski:

MeinMythTV? notmyth in a new wrapper?

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laga:

Juski: yep :)

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mlehrer:

did the schema change from 0.18 to 0.19?

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mlehrer:

i installed some 0.19 packages on a 0.18 box and it is "unhappy"

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kormoc:

mlehrer, yes, it changes with every version, and that is why the packages are not backwards compatable

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Zider:

SlyChocobo: how are you receiving your TV signal?

[19:44:49]

SlyChocobo:

anyone? :)

[19:44:57]

SlyChocobo:

Wow, lag ^^

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Juski:

SlyChocobo: check the list at www.linuxtv.org

[19:45:09]

SlyChocobo:

Uh, Right now? from a rather crappy tiny Aerial

[19:45:31]

SlyChocobo:

Im currently trying to find a way to get the signal from the master areial for this building into my room

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Zider:

SlyChocobo: ah

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Juski:

though some cards work better than others right now due to 'buggy drivers' and a bit of cross-finger pointing of v4l & mythtv devs

[19:46:01]

SlyChocobo:

Or I might just setup the Shuttle in that room, so for the main part, the master areial for my flat

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Juski:

anyway SlyChocobo I have two of the allegedly 'difficult' cards and I find they work just fine

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mlehrer:

any dapper users here want to try out my debs

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SlyChocobo:

Might go for this card then : http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/27669

[19:52:58]

SlyChocobo:

Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T

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mejo:

hello

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mejo:

did anyone compile the ivtv X driver successfully with the modular X11R7 from debian/unstable?

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SlyChocobo:

This might seem like a daft question, but what is VDR?

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kormoc:

Video Disk Recorder

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SlyChocobo:

I see

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laga:

www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ iirc

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laga:

Juski: if i was to put your projectgr[e|a]hem theme on MeinMythTV... does the non-wide version work OK with 0.19?

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SlyChocobo:

Shouldnet all TV-cards provide that fuction on a PC?

[20:03:36]

SlyChocobo:

Or does the VBR refer to onboard encoder/decoder (Which should not be even needed for DVB-T

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SlyChocobo:

Oh right I see, never mind

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Cyburai:

would anyone know where I could get my hands on a copy of ivtv-kmdl-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4–0.4.1–100.rhfc4.at? I really desperately need it.

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dtm:

Cyburai: did you not paste that into google?

[20:09:16]

Cyburai:

absolutely did, found articles and mythtv user digest posts about it. No download links.

[20:09:27]

Cyburai:

but thanks for stating the obvious

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dtm:

Cyburai: it escapes most

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Cyburai:

no insult intended

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dtm:

Cyburai: but i would guess that it's from atrpms.net

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dtm:

seeing how it ends in their trademark 'at'

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Cyburai:

I am one of the rare that exhaust all other resources before comeing to irc and bugging people

[20:22:19]

Cyburai:

yeah, but it's gone now

[20:22:30]

Cyburai:

can't find it anywhere

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dtm:

:-o

[20:23:02]

Cyburai:

I'm gonna have to resort to compiling

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dtm:

Cyburai: what makes you think you need it? can you not adjust other versions to be modern along with what the repository does have?

[20:23:18]

dtm:

i know nothing about it

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Zider:

is hdtv and sdtv broadcasted simultaneously with digital-tv or do I have to be able to show the resolution they broadcast?

[20:23:22]

Cyburai:

hate to do it, cause it's gonan fubar my nice YUM setup, but I gotta get this working

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Cyburai:

I wish dtm, but whenever I try to upgrade my kernel my whole setup goes kablooey

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dtm:

oic

[20:24:04]

Cyburai:

so I'm stuck

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Cyburai:

grr

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Juski:

laga: AFAIK it's okay with 0.19

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laga:

Juski: ok

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laga:

Juski: a little bit too late, i'm currently building the iso. maybe i'll add it later in the final version. dunno if i'll have enough space left, though

[20:29:26]

Juski:

laga: np

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blafd:

heh plonking avermedia have only made drivers specifically for certain distrubutions

[20:33:24]

blafd:

excuse me but that is a fucking crock of camel crap

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laga:

buy supported hardware?

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Zider:

they may have only _packaged_ it for certain dists, but the software will most likely work in any dist

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blafd:

the module claims its incompatible with my kernel

[20:36:21]

blafd:

i dont call that a fucking driver you may aswell not bother with bullshit like that

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blafd:

all it does is get peoples hopes up

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Juski:

time to watch a whole bunch of mythtv

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Juski:

and order food :D

[20:37:33]

blafd:

heh i had every reason too think this card was supported

[20:37:59]

blafd:

infact i would go as far as to say avermedia diliberatly made no reference to a model to be deliberatly vauge

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Zider:

blafd: what card is it?

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blafd:

the A16

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Zider:

avermedia a16?

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blafd:

y

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Zider:

can'? find it on their web page..

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blafd:

http://www.avermedia.com/cgi-bin/support_driv . . . delno=A16AR#

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Zider:

ooh, averTV A16, not avermedia a16

[20:45:06]

Zider:

kinda cut down on the google hits :P

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Zider:

damn.. ofcourse it had to be in a .rpm :P

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blafd:

heh

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blafd:

Zider i used alien on it

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blafd:

draged out there scaby .ko

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Servo888:

Ok, I've forgot it again... What's the thing called that gives you a 'human readable' directory for all your nuv files?

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blafd:

what theyve compiled on probably p4

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blafd:

and it fails to work in short.

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Zider:

alien?

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blafd:

alien is pro

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Zider:

pro what?

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blafd:

coverts between redhate .rpm, debian .deb, .tgz solaris etc

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laga:

pro what? pro broken package management? ;)

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

well, I used rpm2targz

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laga:

Servo888: mythrename.pl, make sure to read its manual/ --help

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Zider:

could naturally not load the module gere.. :P

[20:56:00]

Zider:

here

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Servo888:

Ah yes

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Cyburai:

I've had success with alien before, and it's doesnt break package management if you use it judiciously

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blafd:

alien -g is all i gota say

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Zider:

well, I very rarely need to access strange package formats :)

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Zider:

all I need is in my package system or as .tgz

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blafd:

bastid avermedia!!

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Zider:

blafd: mail them and ask them to release the linux driver as source

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Zider:

or at least to make the module loadable on any kernel :P

[21:00:38]

blafd:

either there retarded or there obviously not going to do that

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blafd:

or they would of done in the first place

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laga:

if they claimed they had linux support, bitch to them that they cannot support just a few distros since linux is just the name of the kernel

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blafd:

they must released specs

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Zider:

either they're just too lazy or too ignorant to release the source, or they're forced by licenses not to release it as anything but a binary

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blafd:

well im going to investigate the module more

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Zider:

either way, you should mail them

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blafd:

arrgh ok i will

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Zider:

the least they should do is explain on the page why the linux support is so bad :P

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blafd:

writing to you on behalf of 301 people and bots located on the freenode irc network

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Zider:

what?

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Zider:

are there any drawbacks (except for security) running mythfrontend as root instead of a user?

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Slyboots:

Anyone here expericned with this odd issue, a Bt878 card, shows video okay, but no sound output from the incomming feed at all

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Slyboots:

Sound works fine in KDE, (the TV card needs to be connected to the Sound-card via 3.5m jack)

[21:18:46]

Slyboots:

Even if I plug my headphones into the TV card, there is no audio

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Zider:

doesn't the soundcard audio thingie need alsa support and stuff?

[21:19:42]

Zider:

hm

[21:19:48]

Zider:

tv-card audio thingie

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Zider:

:D

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** Zider be tired **

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Slyboots:

. . .

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Slyboots:

Uh.. Okay

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Slyboots:

So I need to jiggle the sound thingie

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Slyboots:

I'll try that :D

[21:20:58]

Zider:

;)

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Slyboots:

Any anwsers that are NOT insane?

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Zider:

what I meant was, the tv card likely has a sound chip of some sort that you need to have support for in alsa, and also have it unmuted and stuff like that, right?

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laga:

uh, play around with v4lctl?

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rhp:

Hi all, is it logicall for two Hauppauge cards that one uses 3% CPU and the other 11% ?

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drdaz:

Zider, one disadvantage of running mythfrontend with realtime priority is that when it hangs... it effectively hangs your whole system

[21:39:41]

Zider:

drdaz: does it automatically run at realtime prio?

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drdaz:

while thats not technically the case... for all intents and purposes, it's true

[21:39:45]

drdaz:

no

[21:39:52]

drdaz:

you spoke of running it as root

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drdaz:

I expect thats what you were getting at

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drdaz:

thankfully myth is pretty stable

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drdaz:

so it doesnt happen alot

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Zider:

well, that's one of the things that might be nice, but mostly I'd just like to not be forced to su to a user to launch it.. :P

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drdaz:

depending on distro... that wont work anyway :)

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Zider:

that's how I do it now

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drdaz:

oh

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Zider:

:D

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drdaz:

hang on I lie

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drdaz:

heh

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drdaz:

running as root will give u realtime

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drdaz:

there's another solution that apparently used to work

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drdaz:

but.. I run it as mythtv with realtime priority

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drdaz:

check the docs... the solution is in there

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kormoc:

Zider, you can sudo it to root to run it, and even allow it to be sudoed passwordless if you really wanted

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drdaz:

Zider, did I understand u right? do u generally use your system logged in as root?

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Beirdo:

fuk wurk

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drdaz:

it just struck me that i might have misread u

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Zider:

drdaz: noooo, gosh no! I was only thinking about the mythbox, which is on a local network anyway..

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drdaz:

ok.. that doesnt make it a good idea to autostart the box as root :p

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Zider:

drdaz: well, it's mostly a convenience thing.. seems a bit silly to su to the myth user and then sudo the mythfrontend.. ;)

[21:48:06]

drdaz:

sure does

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drdaz:

makes alot more sense to just start as the myth user and run it from there

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Zider:

drdaz: well, I need mythfrontend somehow started at boot time..

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drdaz:

sure

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kormoc:

Zider, crontab -e -u mythtv @reboot startx, in your wm autostart place, sudo mythfrontend, done

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kormoc:

:P

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kormoc:

so how goes it Beirdo

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kormoc:

?

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Beirdo:

not too bad

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Beirdo:

got to pack more shite

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Beirdo:

blech

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Beirdo:

not gonna do it right now, I need a break

[21:50:18]

Beirdo:

shouldn't have had beer at lunch, I tell ya

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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Zider:

kormoc: @reboot makes it launch directly at boot?

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kormoc:

yup

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Zider:

aha

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Zider:

(still don't really see why I can't just launch startx as root in a startup script, but.. ;) )

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drdaz:

hehe u can :)

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kormoc:

it'll launch X as user mythtv (or whatever), so it pretects as much as possable from being run as root

[21:53:45]

kormoc:

you can do it however you want, that's just my method

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drdaz:

its just that nobody thinks its a good idea..

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drdaz:

to find out why.. try it

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Zider:

well, I still haven't heard any drawbacks, besides security, from running everything as root.. :)

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Slyboots:

Still no luck with the freaking sound

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drdaz:

security is a fairly big (and broad) thing

[21:55:08]

Slyboots:

Although I do have a new mixer in Alsa, called BT878

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Slyboots:

That does.. *Nothing* at all

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** Slyboots thumbs up **

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Beirdo:

fuckin idiots trying ssh brute forcing

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kormoc:

Zider, I love it when programs decide to overwrite /etc files randomly

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drdaz:

heh

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Zider:

kormoc: ;)

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drdaz:

Beirdo, there should be a script to whois the IP and fire off a mail to their ISP

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Beirdo:

I'm sure there is

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drdaz:

looked for one several times, but never hit anything

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Beirdo:

not worth the trouble

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kormoc:

echo "ALL: ip" >> /etc/hosts.deny

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Beirdo:

fuck that

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drdaz:

heh

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Beirdo:

iptables -A banned ip -j DROP

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

I need to setup iptables sometime

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Beirdo:

welcome to the killfile, dipshit

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drdaz:

heh.. something to automagically do that would also be nice

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kormoc:

drdaz, sec.pl

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kormoc:

drdaz, I have a config for it that already does that for hosts.deny

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drdaz:

kormoc, easy to install and configure?

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kormoc:

yeah, it's a peal script

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rav3r:

my remote is not working, FC4, pvr-150 remote /sbin/modprobe lirc_i2c returns Module lirc_i2c not found

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Zider:

kormoc: you wouldn't happen to know if there's any way of keeping a process alive? like when it quits/dies/gets killed it's automatically launched again immediately?

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drdaz:

can cron run secondly commands? :D

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Beirdo:

while true ; do command ; sleep 1 ; done

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meushi:

Zider: look at monit or the watchdog function of daemontools

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Beirdo:

daemontools!?

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Beirdo:

don't make me trout you for suggesting DJB crap :)

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drdaz:

that program can do more than I thought

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meushi:

IIRC it has a watchdog and dependencies

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meushi:

ie if mysql dies it can restart processes that depend on it

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Zider:

meushi: ..daemontools? isn't that some windows app?

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meushi:

Zider: not the same one

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drdaz:

oh

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drdaz:

heh

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meushi:

Beirdo: well, I gave an alternative first ;)

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Beirdo:

thank goodness :)

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** meushi puts on the anti-wet-trout chainmail **

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Zider:

Beirdo: DJB?

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Beirdo:

yes, DJB

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drdaz:

well that explains it

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drdaz:

:p

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Beirdo:

the wanker who wrote daemontools, djbdns, qmail, and other monstrosities :)

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Zider:

aha

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meushi:

ie. a guy who breaks stuff and gives shit to people that try to point him back to standards

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drdaz:

ur not his biggest fan then

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drdaz:

heh

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Beirdo:

meushi, yeah, that's the one :)

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meushi:

Beirdo: I quite liked his 'fight' with Knowles

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Niklas_E:

anyone got any surgestions if the video is slow in debian but works fine in slackware? ( I wanna use debian)

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Niklas_E:

and it works fine when useing mplayer

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** drdaz farts vigorously **

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Niklas_E:

and perhaps know where I can find php-mysql?

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Zider:

Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! – You die...

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Zider:

damn screen died :D

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drdaz:

heh

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michthom:

Sorry if this has been done to death already, but does anyone know what's up (or down) with ATRPMS.net?

[22:17:46]

michthom:

Yesterday evening and tonight I can't reach it, so seeing it at work today was just a tease

[22:17:47]

laga:

http://atrpms.net works fine, at least the website

[22:18:03]

laga:

so, your ISP prolly did something wrong

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michthom:

I guess so.

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drdaz:

yeah... the repo seems to work fine here too

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michthom:

160.45.32.86

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michthom:

160.45.32.86

[22:18:57]

michthom:

160.45.32.86

[22:18:57]

michthom:

160.45.32.86

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michthom:

It resolves to 160.45.32.86 for me – any other offers?

[22:19:07]

michthom:

Oh sorry for spamming

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drdaz:

same IP here

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drdaz:

although I cant ping it

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laga:

yep, same here.

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michthom:

drdaz – I believe it's NAT'd or firewalled. Don't think it's pingable normally

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laga:

they're probably blocking icmp (echo requests at least)

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michthom:

Yup

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drdaz:

kk

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michthom:

Yes – looks like a routing snafu at Blueyonder (ISP in the UK).

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Zider:

darn, monit didn't compile :P

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lawton:

hello

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mythicness:

can someone please tell me why everytime i reboot i have to rerun make install for lirc

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mythicness:

otherwise it doesnt seem to work

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mythicness:

its raelly annoying, i have to make install, then run lircd before il'll work

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Zider:

how come mythbackend creates a pid file but mythfrontend doesn't?

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GreyFoxx:

It's configurable for both

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GreyFoxx:

it's a commandline parameter

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Zider:

aha

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GreyFoxx:

whatever is starting mythbackend must b e telling it to make a pid file

[22:49:21]

Zider:

and the option is the same for mythfrontend?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

actually I mightbe wrong about that

[22:50:39]

GreyFoxx:

I don't see the option in a --help of the frontend

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Zider:

hm, the sudo'd mythfrontend can't access the x server.. doh.. :P

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GreyFoxx:

why launch it will sudo ?

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GreyFoxx:

s/will/with

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: to have it run as root?

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GreyFoxx:

A: Why do that, And B: Whynot just suid the binary ?

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Zider:

A: to get realtime priority, B: haven't gotten that far yet :P

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, something has changed in the newer kernel versions in reguards to suid, iirc

[22:57:14]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: a: Why bother? B: chmod +s /path/to/mythfrontend :)

[22:57:56]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: A: why not? B: yes, I know, I just wanted to see if I got it running with sudo first, I like sudo. :P

[22:59:19]

drdaz:

lol... I really dont get why you try to run it as root to get realtime priority

[22:59:26]

** drdaz shrugs **

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Zider:

drdaz: I'm just going along with the tips I got earlier about sudo'ing it

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** Zider shrugs **

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drdaz:

btw GreyFoxx... the chmod +s route doesnt work (for me at least)

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GreyFoxx:

drdaz: Where you root when you did it

[23:00:23]

GreyFoxx:

?

[23:00:26]

drdaz:

sure

[23:00:36]

GreyFoxx:

then you have something fscked up :)

[23:00:40]

drdaz:

the solution in the current mythtv docs works

[23:00:44]

drdaz:

heh no :)

[23:00:46]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, it hasn't worked for me for alittle while

[23:00:46]

GreyFoxx:

cause that's how one sets the setup bit :)

[23:00:54]

drdaz:

oh!

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, it just can't spawn off the process...

[23:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

hasn't worked in thatthe bit doesn't get set or cause it just actually launch as root ?

[23:01:41]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, it still launches as user mythtv

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** drdaz nods **

[23:02:02]

Zider:

hm, suddenly it's not launched as root anymore..

[23:02:03]

GreyFoxx:

ummmm of course

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GreyFoxx:

It setups up the threads and drops privileges :)

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, yeah, it fails on the thread setup cause it's not root...

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Zider:

aaaanyway, all this was fun and stuff, but my primary issue never got solved.. ah well, I'll just keep running it as a user then :D

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drdaz:

dude... look @ the docs under realtime priority

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drdaz:

the solution in there will, in fact, work

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Zider:

I never really cared about the realtime prio, I just wanted to run it all as root so I didn't have to su to a user to launch it.. the realtime was just another benefit of running it as root..

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-August/097816.html

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drdaz:

aaaaalrighty then :D

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I have the same problem as he does, and random other people have the same issue. I was told way back when it was related to a change in the newer kerenl versions, but I don't know if the gentleman was correct or not.

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Zider:

drdaz: ace <3

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drdaz:

come again?

[23:08:00]

Zider:

ace ventura?

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kormoc:

drdaz, which docs of myth? the wiki? the offical docs?

[23:08:04]

drdaz:

oh!

[23:08:07]

drdaz:

heh

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drdaz:

the official docs

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drdaz:

for realtime priority at least.. if thats what youre after

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kormoc:

drdaz, know the section offhand?

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drdaz:

no... I'll have a look

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Very weird

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drdaz:

just used it a couple days ago

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drdaz:

oddly enough its under 5.4

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kormoc:

yeah, the realtime module works fine, as I can't use rlimits yet

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plb:

yay got the pvr-150

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plb:

!

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, yeah, it's a head scratcher, but I have no idea really were to start to figure out what's wrong

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plb:

when was 0.19 released?

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kormoc:

plb, a few months ago?

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GreyFoxx:

Feb 12th

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plb:

of this year?

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GreyFoxx:

yep

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plb:

is there a simple howto for setting everything up?

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kormoc:

the docs on the site?

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drdaz:

he said simple :p

[23:17:01]

kormoc:

they are simple :P

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drdaz:

heh

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mythicness:

hi guys

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drdaz:

everything's relative I guess

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mythicness:

I changed my recordings folder to /home/me/media/recordings

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mythicness:

but it seems to have broken a lot of stuff

[23:17:42]

mythicness:

i got the tuner working by chmoding and chowning the stuff

[23:17:59]

mythicness:

but now i changed myth to view the svideo and its giving weird problems (most likely permissions)

[23:18:28]

mythicness:

2006-04–29 01:15:41.461 RingBuf(/home/memedia/recordings/1063_20060429011541.mpg): Invalid file (fd 18) when opening '/home/me/media/recordings/1063_20060429011541.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

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mythicness:

etc...

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mythicness:

any ideas?

[23:18:40]

mythicness:

is putting my stuff in the home directory stupid?

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drdaz:

I've written 2500 lines of C# code in about 5 weeks... I'm so very tired

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kormoc:

drdaz, is it enterprise code?

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drdaz:

enterprise?

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kormoc:

heh

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drdaz:

lolz

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kormoc:

buzz word

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mythicness:

kormoc: U think my issue above is permissions?

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drdaz:

tbh it looks like a file that isnt there at first glance

[23:20:53]

kormoc:

drdaz, http://thedailywtf.com/forums/68489/ShowPost.aspx

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mythicness:

i think it is, but myth just cant read it

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plb:

do you need xmltv for tv listings?

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drdaz:

did u move all your recordings from their old spot?

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kormoc:

mythicness, well, ls -l /home/me/media/recordings/1063_20060429011541.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

mythicness: did you cut and paste that errormessage, or manuallt retypeit ?

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mythicness:

cut paste.

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GreyFoxx:

very wierd

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plb:

er sorry guys but I know nothing about mysql and get this Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when running mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

" RingBuf(/home/memedia/recordings/"

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GreyFoxx:

note the missing/

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mythicness:

except this "RingBuf(/home/memedia/recordings/1063_20060429011541.mpg)" should be this "RingBuf(/home/me/media/recordings/1063_20060429011541.mpg)"

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mythicness:

oh sos that was me

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kormoc:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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mythicness:

if i try and access the file from root:

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mythicness:

bash: /home/me/media/recordings/1063_20060429012235.mpg: Permission denied

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mythicness:

something is fishy here...

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drdaz:

kormoc, heh... some fine looking code there

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kormoc:

mythicness, permissions indeed...

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mythicness:

i set the recordings directory to chown mythtv

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mythicness:

and chmod 777

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mythicness:

what else could i try?

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kormoc:

drdaz, heh... yeah... read though the other code on there, makes me feel good knowing the quality of some of the programmers out there...

[23:24:21]

kormoc:

mythicness, chmod -R 777 ?

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mythicness:

kk

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drdaz:

the stuff I've been writing is a little different.. its for my masters thesis. I've built a location aware shopping aid

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kormoc:

nifty

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drdaz:

the location sensors are faked by me stalking the shopper and tapping on my PDA

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drdaz:

testing starts monday... and there's a bunch of stuff to do :(

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mythicness:

hmm same problem

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kormoc:

drdaz, just do what Paula does, http://thedailywtf.com/forums/40043/ShowPost.aspx

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mythicness:

and im seeing a lot of these in mythbackend log:

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mythicness:

read: Device or resource busy

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mythicness:

& error reading from: /dev/video0

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kormoc:

mythicness, something is wacky... if you can't even ls the file as root with 777 permissions, I'd be tempted to say your os is borked

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drdaz:

LOL

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mythicness:

heh

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mythicness:

sweet

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Juski:

swedish chef is in the buidling .. (bork bork bork)

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mythicness:

i can ls the file

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drdaz:

kormoc, that just cant be true

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drdaz:

oO

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mythicness:

root@rumedia:/home/ru/media/recordings# ls 1063_20060429012601.mpg

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mythicness:

1063_20060429012601.mpg

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mythicness:

seems ok

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kormoc:

drdaz, there's a few other times she comes back, and yeah, I'd be tempted to beleive it's true, just cause I know people like that...

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kormoc:

mythicness, ls -l file

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drdaz:

lol..

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drdaz:

I should move to the US then..

[23:29:13]

drdaz:

seems anybody can get a programming job

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drdaz:

I should be rich in no time

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kormoc:

ooh, keep reading the site, you'd likely want to run away, as you'd be fixing that code

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mythicness:

the only error in the backend is

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mythicness:

read: Device or resource busy

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mythicness:

& error reading from: /dev/video0

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plb:

eh ok I ran mythtv-setup but what do I put Video device and VBI device?

[23:31:40]

plb:

er I mean which card type do I choose

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** blafd trundles out a little WD400 hdd... im gona install fedora 4 and pretend its not happening just so i can play with mythtv ;D **

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plb:

nm see it

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mythicness:

cat: /dev/video0: Device or resource busy

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mythicness:

whats using the damn thing?

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kormoc:

reboot?

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mythicness:

ye

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mythicness:

see u guys now :)

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blafd:

if it dont work i will declare avermedia developers even_less_evolved++

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plb:

guys what do I put for video device?

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drdaz:

loool... code making sure booleans can only be true or false in c#

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drdaz:

i wanna get paid for doing that

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blafd:

c# actually compiles when the code attempts to assign it something else?

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drdaz:

come again?

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blafd:

a boolean..

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kormoc:

it will throw a error if you try to do bool test = "string"

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blafd:

right.. its pritty stupid otherwise

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drdaz:

c# is a nice language tbh..

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drdaz:

and VS2005 is generally a nice IDE

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drdaz:

MS have done some terrible things tho..

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drdaz:

like breaking inheritance on many of their visual objects

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opello:

drdaz: and the tabs open backwards

[23:38:09]

drdaz:

and their stance is : its not a bug its a feature

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drdaz:

opello, how do u mean?

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opello:

opening a new tab, it appears as the leftmost tab, not the rightmost

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drdaz:

oh yes

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opello:

so, everything shifts

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drdaz:

heh

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opello:

it is so annoying ... i think

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drdaz:

yeah.. otoh.. if it opened at the right... you wouldnt see it half the time :)

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opello:

i have to work in windows, and have to deal with illogical ordering :p

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drdaz:

if ur like me and have a bazillion tabs open in there

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opello:

drdaz: ah but the old one moved the 'view' all the way right when you did, so it was ok

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drdaz:

hmm... now u mention it, yeah..

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opello:

'old one' = VS6-VS2003...

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drdaz:

yep

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drdaz:

generally speaking I think 2005 is an improvement

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drdaz:

perhaps just a little fat

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opello:

yeah, but there are a few problems :) not that this is a microsoft channel, lol

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drdaz:

hehe

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MindHack:

greetings all, is there a way to bind backend to a specific ethX or address?

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xris:

weird. I wonder why myth doesn't show one of my channels...

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drdaz:

visible=0

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drdaz:

?

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drdaz:

:p

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kormoc:

MindHack, doesn't it only bind to the address you specifiy anyway?

[23:52:32]

MindHack:

well, the ports are showing when I nmap my external interface

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drdaz:

actually a radio channel I've added doesnt show up in my manage recordings screen... but does everywhere else

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drdaz:

quite bizarre that one

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xris:

drdaz: no, just gone

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xris:

er, doesn't get downloaded

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MindHack:

drdaz, radio as in the haupage media center addition cards?

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xris:

zap2it lists it, myth doesn't have a db entry

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drdaz:

MindHack, no

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drdaz:

DVB Radio

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MindHack:

ah

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xris:

should be channel 2, so I'm wondering if maybe there's something blocking channels < 3

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drdaz:

using the funny fake video stream patch

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drdaz:

quite amazing how much disk space a video stream that consists of a white dot in the bottom right corner of the screen can fill up

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drdaz:

600MB over 2 hours

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drdaz:

:-/

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xris:

kormoc: do you have channel 2 in your tv listings?

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kormoc:

hrm, let me see

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kormoc:

xris, btw, newest opera beta fixes the hardlock on mythweb loading

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xris:

kormoc: cool

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kormoc:

xris, yes, I do have channel 2 in my myth listings

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xris:

weird...

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xris:

it's listed as available in my zap2it settings, but myth just doesn't download it.

[23:59:06]

xris:

I don't think there's any kind of ignore file or anything like that.

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