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Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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_nero_:

say, for standard def TV (via s-video) what res is recommended?? 720x480? 640x480?

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blafd:

hey gurls

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blafd:

i can get a haup hvr1100 cheapish

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blafd:

the next bracket down in price would lead me to another kworld

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blafd:

and well fark that ;p

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blafd:

are they incorperating analogue tv tuners with the thought of .. just incase you went some where with out DVB

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mishehu:

gah.

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bomba:

_nero_: I use 480x480

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mishehu:

can't get this lirc to work. :-/

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arcadies:

can/how does mythtv change the channel on the decoder?

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dtm:

arcadies: how does a decoder have a channel?

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dtm:

tuners have channels.

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arcadies:

okay well im from south africa

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arcadies:

to get our satelite tv

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arcadies:

we go to a specifc chan on our TV

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arcadies:

then on the decoder we change channels

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kormoc:

arcadies, your decoder is a tuner and a decoder all in one, and yes, myth can if it's a supported tuner via a ir blaster or a serial cable or a firewire cable

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znoG:

hi. quick question, what was the key used in "watch recordings" to change filter options?

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cliffd:

I bought all my hardware and it came today. Im wondering if I made a mistake. I have what I assume is regular analog cable, from a coax cable in the wall. I got the HP pvr-500 should I have gotten something that did DVB?

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eiggirC:

OMG! http://computersonline.co.nz/ <-- 17" LCD with everything inside! fjear that for a frontend!

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vallor:

I found a bug in the atrpm libmyth — mythfrontend has been segfaulting :/

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vallor:

#0 0x00002aaaaaf0a638 in lzo1x_decompress ()

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vallor:

from /usr/lib64/libmythtv-0.19.so.0

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kormoc:

vallor, so what's the bug?

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vallor:

not quite sure yet, working on it

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kormoc:

vallor, so you found a sigfault that you don't even know is caused my libmyth? ;)

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vallor:

huh? mythfrontend is segfaulting (and dying)

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dtm:

eiggirC: crude imac ripoff

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vallor:

I got a core dump, and bt'ed it

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dtm:

nice

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kormoc:

vallor, sure, but what's the other files? it could be a bug in the LZO lib or similar

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vallor:

oh, wait — this is in my yum check-update queue: libgtop2-devel.x86_64 2.14.1–1.fc5.1 updates

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vallor:

l

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vallor:

dammit, I won't past it again — libmyth is in there

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jnunez:

Does anyone here use the NVidia 6600 card with HDTV and Linux?

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xris:

jnunez: I have a 6800

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jnunez:

Do you use nvidia-settings? I have a 5200(MythTV) and a 6600(Windows Gaming PC) and the 6600 is suppose to allow you to Autodetect HDTV resolutions

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xris:

jnunez: clarification, I *watch* hdtv.. I do not have a high def television.

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xris:

I just watch it on my monitor at 1280x1024

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kormoc:

jnunez, what's your problem?

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eiggirC:

dtm: yeah I know.

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jnunez:

I got it to work with the nvidia control panel for Windows but before I switch cards I want to make sure that the nvidia linux driver have the same capabilities.

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xris:

jnunez: in this case, if you can't do it with nvidia in linux, you can't do it at all.

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jnunez:

kormoc: My 5200 can't find a working resolution on my Sony 34" HDTV except for 480p and it has severe overscan

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xris:

jnunez: auto-detect may not work.

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kormoc:

jnunez, you realize that you can just set the res in the x config and set the overscan as well

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jnunez:

the overscan on earlier nvidia cards only affects SVIDEO

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kormoc:

jnunez, it should affect SVIDEO, Component and composite on any geforce 4 + iirc

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jnunez:

I have tried every HDTV modeline that I can find online

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kormoc:

did you try setting the tvout format to 1080i?

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jnunez:

kormoc: Nope. I try that now [ OPTION TVOUT "1080i" ]?

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kormoc:

HD1080I

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kormoc:

erm lowercase i

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kormoc:

see http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html

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jnunez:

cool

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jnunez:

kormoc: Thanks for your help! Going to read the rest of the docs to try and figure out the overscan issue

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jnunez:

1080i!!!!

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kormoc:

You're welcome :)

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jnunez:

Wonder if the CPU can handle it! It's a PIII 933MHz

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xris:

jnunez: guaranteed not

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kormoc:

jnunez, yeah, 2 ghz is considered the min, if you're lucky

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jnunez:

LOL! I do have a AMD 3200 at my dad's but I need to replace that aging box (3 years and running Freevo) with an XBox running XBMC. He just listens to Music and my Mom watches pictures of the grandkids!

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jnunez:

MPlayer is doing good so far but alot more jaggies because of the stretching.

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kormoc:

Well, if you're not gonna actually do 1080i video, then it might work, might not

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kormoc:

but 1080i video itself won't work

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xris:

kormoc: it's the decoding that's the problem, not the display

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kormoc:

xris, right, but a 933 is still a bit slow for 720

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xris:

yeah

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jnunez:

I'm dropping it until I can build my SuperBox (with an actual HDTV Tuner)

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xris:

jnunez: firewire over cable?

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kormoc:

jnunez, you might want to look into firewire rather then a hdtv tuner if your cable company offers it

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vallor:

woot, appears that the new libmyth from atrpms solved the segfault problem — guess someone already took care of the bug :)

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jnunez:

Yes! That is my next project after the overscan issue. The firewire on my box works directly into my Sony HDTV and on my iBook as well (playback stinks)

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xris:

man, yum is slow

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mishehu:

the kow of the dao says mu to you.

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BrokenPipe:

I've searched for anything on mysql problems, and can't figure out why mythbackend can't connect. Can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/682303

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vallor:

BrokenPipe: check the .mythtv/mysql.txt under the home directory of the user running mythbackend

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BrokenPipe:

check it for what?

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vallor:

for proper values — username, password, etc.

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BrokenPipe:

I think this has other issues: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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vallor:

o

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mishehu:

that sounds like the problem to me.

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vallor:

sorry

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jnunez:

Any tools to find info on my firewire box?

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mishehu:

it's a qt issue

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mishehu:

jnunez: what is it that you want to find out?

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jnunez:

Port numbers etc...

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mishehu:

use plugreport

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jnunez:

thanks

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mishehu:

it's part of libiec61883

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vallor:

gscanbus is pretty good too

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BrokenPipe:

mishehu: Ok, how do I troubleshoot a qt issue?

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mishehu:

BrokenPipe: what ver of qt do you have?

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BrokenPipe:

x11-libs/qt-4.1.2

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mishehu:

BrokenPipe: I'm not sure what they've changed in qt 4, but in 3.3.x, under qt's root, there is plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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mishehu:

do you have that file?

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BrokenPipe:

oh... This is x86_64 if that makes a difference

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mishehu:

BrokenPipe: should make no diff, I use slamd64...

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BrokenPipe:

what's the "sl" in "slamd64"

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mishehu:

slamd64 is unofficial slackware port for x86_64

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, myth requires qt 3.X

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BrokenPipe:

oh, cool

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BrokenPipe:

I use Gentoo

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BrokenPipe:

kormoc, I have myth running on another box with 4.1.2

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** vallor has had good results using Fedora Core on his x86_64 quadcore machine **

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, you sure you had the mysql use flag set for myth?

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BrokenPipe:

yes

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, no, if you check, that box will have qt4 and qt3 installed

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, you can have both installed at the same time, but you need qt 3 for myth

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, you sure qt 3.x had the mysql use flag set when you emerged it?

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BrokenPipe:

I see

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BrokenPipe:

I have 3.3.6 AND 4.1.2 installed

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kormoc:

indeed

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BrokenPipe:

I did an equery list

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mishehu:

hmm... I have some things on a repeating schedule, and I want to change the recording profile for *all* instances, but it only seems to take effect for a single instance... is there a trick I should be doing?

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kormoc:

mishehu, you can set it via the db if you really want

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BrokenPipe:

alright, I'll re-emerge qt-3.3.6

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mishehu:

kormoc: no easy way from the gui ?

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kormoc:

mishehu, not that I know of, nope

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kormoc:

sorry

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BrokenPipe:

aha!

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mishehu:

bah.

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, hrm?

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** mishehu opens up the hood of mythtv. **

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BrokenPipe:

kormoc: you were right, 'emerge -vp =x11-libs/qt-3.3.6' shows "*mysql"

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** kormoc smiles **

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BrokenPipe:

thanks =)

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, you're welcome

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BrokenPipe:

I've never gotten /etc/init.d/mythbackend to work

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BrokenPipe:

I've always had to just run /usr/bin/mythbackend

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

why's that?

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BrokenPipe:

no idea

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BrokenPipe:

it's all silent

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kormoc:

it logs to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log usually

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mishehu:

bah

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mishehu:

I was hoping somebody already made up an lircrc file for the audigy 2zs remote... so I could be lazy. :-/

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mishehu:

if I have mythtv linked to lirc, do I need the "prog=irxevent" line in there at all or can I comment it out?

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kormoc:

you can set the program to mythtv

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mishehu:

ok

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mishehu:

the audigy remote is so much more gf friendly than the x10/ati_usb remote

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BrokenPipe:

Which audigy do you have for your box?

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BrokenPipe:

I wish there were xfi drivers already

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mishehu:

BrokenPipe: audigy 2zs platinum

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mishehu:

got it on sale just before the xfi's came out.

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mishehu:

and I bet we'll have to wait like a year for xfi's to have support.

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mishehu:

my question is, is there REALLY a difference between the xfi's and the audigys?

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BrokenPipe:

What is the keyboard command to click a selected radio button?

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BrokenPipe:

right arrow

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mishehu:

bah.

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mishehu:

kormoc: seems like they didn't update the example lircrc's...

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mishehu:

LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'Key Up CurrentWindow' to a key sequencefailed. Fix your key mappings.

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kormoc:

mishehu, hrm? why do you say that?

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mishehu:

or is something else amiss with my config?

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kormoc:

donno?

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mishehu:

bah. :-/

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ShockValue:

ok, so i got my system to run in 1080i, but if i watch a DVD now, it looks kinda.. blocky.. screen-door kinda..

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kormoc:

mishehu, ooh, I see what you mean, yeah, you're file is messed

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kormoc:

mishehu, try checking the example for the happauge remote, it's more akin to your setup?

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ShockValue:

is there some settings that will allow me to smoothy scale?

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mishehu:

kormoc: I'll look...

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mishehu:

weird

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mishehu:

why does the simple example lircrc have those extra "Key Up CurrentWindow" stuff and the hauppage one doesn't?

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kormoc:

mirak, cause one is for irxevent and one is for mythtv?

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BrokenPipe:

I really need a remote...

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BrokenPipe:

keyboard kind of sucks for myth

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mishehu:

kormoc: oh, irxevent needs all that extra stuff, I see.

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mishehu:

hope I remember that in case I ever don't build mythtv against lirc.

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BrokenPipe:

Anyone know how to get the second onboard gigabit ethernet port on an nforce motherboard (e.g. Asus A8N32-SLI) to work?

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BrokenPipe:

And the onboard sound for that matter.

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mishehu:

it might be a sk98lin / skge ethernet

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mishehu:

that's what it is on the a8n-sli deluxe

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BrokenPipe:

ok, I enabled that

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BrokenPipe:

just want to add everything before I start the build

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mishehu:

works fine for me, though gigabit ethernet always seems to disappoint me... I only get like 26mbyte/sec... where's my Gbps?? heh.

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BrokenPipe:

Well, 1Gbps is 125MBps

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BrokenPipe:

And then there's overhead

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BrokenPipe:

but, the biggest problem is your hard drive

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BrokenPipe:

26 is about all you'll see

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** mishehu was kidding **

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BrokenPipe:

I'm not so worried about gig, I just want both interfaces on this machine

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BrokenPipe:

weird that only one shows up

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mishehu:

I know, and it also depends on whether the card supports jumbo frames or not.

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BrokenPipe:

if they're both gigabit, wouldn't they be the same chipset? o.O

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, if you can only get 26 megabytes per second from your hard drive, you have issues...

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BrokenPipe:

I think hdtach (in windows) showed me about 90Mbps

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BrokenPipe:

though, I may be forgetting the units that it said

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, each of my drives get around 62 megabytes per second

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, my ata drives get anywhere from 25 megabytes to 45 megabytes per second

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kormoc:

the 25 is a old 1.2 gig drive

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BrokenPipe:

oh, I'm mixing up bit and byte then

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BrokenPipe:

must be 90MBps

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BrokenPipe:

It's a Raptor

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kormoc:

BrokenPipe, even so, you much be raiding them...

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BrokenPipe:

I was when I did the test

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kormoc:

yeah, that makes sense

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BrokenPipe:

never bothered to setup bios raid in linux

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kormoc:

unless you have a real hardware controler, then don't bother

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kormoc:

linux software raid is better then soft raid

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ShockValue:

woo.. so im getting 600 more megs of storage for $150

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

ShockValue, well, I have a 1.2 gig drive I'll sell you for $75, that's twice as much for half the cost!

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mishehu:

hmmm

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mishehu:

this is working well... nice to have lirc working for a change. ;-)

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BrokenPipe:

lol

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mishehu:

hmm my fileserver has a nice areca pci-e sata II raid controller...

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BrokenPipe:

so, is that hardware raid?

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BrokenPipe:

i.e. the OS never knows that it's raid?

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mishehu:

for $350 it had better be. ;-)

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BrokenPipe:

Or are there still drivers involved?

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mishehu:

well you still have drivers involved so that the OS can see the logical device of course.

[04:41:23]

mishehu:

but the OS never knows how many drives or what type of RAID it is.

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BrokenPipe:

hmm

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BrokenPipe:

What type do you have setup?

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BrokenPipe:

I was thinking of doing 0+1

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mishehu:

real hardware raid costs, but I hear you can get a megaraid sata controller for less.

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BrokenPipe:

Actually, what would be really nice is a "raid box"

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mishehu:

I have only 3x 300GB sataII drives, so I run raid5.

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ShockValue:

as my computer fricken barfs :)

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BrokenPipe:

With just a SATA cable that I plug into my external SATA port

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ShockValue:

ill be 8x120 raid5 next week

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BrokenPipe:

5 is JBOD, right?

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ShockValue:

no

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kormoc:

no

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mishehu:

no, JBOD is JBOD

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mishehu:

raid5 is mirrored parity I believe

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

you can lose any one single disk without data loss

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mishehu:

raid6 is the same just with fault tolerance of 2 drives without loss.

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kormoc:

raid 6 isn't offical yet afaik

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mishehu:

this areca supports it, btu I don't run it.

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BrokenPipe:

I have one 500GB SATA and I plan to add more as time goes on

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mishehu:

kormoc: not sure, it didn't interest me that much. there is raid6 in the 2.6.x kernels too, btw.

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mishehu:

BrokenPipe: I think the 500gb's are still a bit pricey.

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BrokenPipe:

$300 for a Maxtor at Fry's

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mishehu:

that's not pricey?

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mishehu:

heh.

[04:45:22]

mishehu:

actually I saw them for $260 this past week tehre

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kormoc:

mishehu, yeah, it's likely going to be offical, just isn't quite yet

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mishehu:

I prefer seagate drives that come out of the thailand factory.

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BrokenPipe:

ok, kernel built, time to try it out

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BrokenPipe:

brb

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mishehu:

we got a bad shipment of chinese ones. bad chop suey.

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ShockValue:

i've sent like 20+ fujitsu's back now.. we got a bad batch of those too.. quite a while back tho

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kormoc:

I love Western Digital myself

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ShockValue:

yeah, ive had good success with WD and maxtor.

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mishehu:

wd and seagate here.

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mishehu:

and I stay away from hitachis like the plague.

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pembo13:

hello

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pembo13:

i have a need to know how to change the "duplicate policy" of shows

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pembo13:

i am missing a lot of shows as of late

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BrokenPipe:

What do you make of this: http://pastebin.com/682377

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pembo13:

mythtv says it doesn't record the shows due to the duplicate policy chosen

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kormoc:

I have a need myself. I gots a fever, and I needs a cure, and the only cure is more cowbell!

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BrokenPipe:

It saw it, then it didn't. o.O

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BrokenPipe:

oh, weird, sound works...

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BrokenPipe:

bizare

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pembo13:

i have been checking google and mythtv.org for this, but i just can't find out how to do it

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kormoc:

pembo13, did you just say, look at the recording profile?

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pembo13:

i am fairly certain that i did, i will take a look again

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opello:

!woot

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opello:

argh, wrong channel again – sorry

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BrokenPipe:

So, speaking of ALSA, htf do I get it work with mythmusic?

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pembo13:

kormoc: under recording profiles, i see settings for different video quality/encoding

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kormoc:

pembo13, it's in there somewhere

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pembo13:

kormoc: i believe so, i just don't know where to look

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BrokenPipe:

wtf...

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BrokenPipe:

I can get sound to come out of my sound card, but alsamixer says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"

[05:05:59]

BrokenPipe:

I have a stealth sound card

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kormoc:

quick sell it! it's worth a fortune!

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BrokenPipe:

I got NVIDIA nForce Audio working, but nothing actually admits that it's using it. o.O

[05:08:31]

offset:

Is there a way to change the brightness/contrast while watching a video with the mythvideo plugin?

[05:09:18]

mishehu:

bah. I got mythtv bindings setup for lirc, but xine doesn't seem to care about my lirc keybindings I set up for it. :-/

[05:12:42]

Goatz:

You know what is great, when you setup your myth box at work get it all done take it home and relise you didn't put a tv out card in it or tv out xconf grrr

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mishehu:

thats when you shave the Goatz

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thechris:

i'm thinking about upgrading my mythtv box. i'll be adding a 250GB drive. thinking about adding another TV tuner or some RAM or something. not sure. any suggestions?

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kormoc:

thechris, sure, add 4 gb of ram, and 12 pvr 500s

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thechris:

12 pvr500s?

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kormoc:

sure, why stop at two tv cards, why not 12?

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Goatz:

and dont stop at a 250g hd use a 1t NAS drive

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kormoc:

yeah, or a dozen NAS's raided together!

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eiggirC:

kormoc: you have 24 channels to record all at once ?

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kormoc:

eiggirC, well, Offically I have something like 70 some channels, so sure, I could go upto 35 pvr 500's!

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thechris:

i don't have enough PCI slots

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kormoc:

get a few more servers!

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mishehu:

just a few?

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mishehu:

why not lots?

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kormoc:

Sure

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mishehu:

racks and racks of servers

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mishehu:

HUUUUGGGEEEE tracts of land!

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kormoc:

Yeah, do like google, order 35,000 motherboards!

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mishehu:

bet you get good per-part pricing too!

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eiggirC:

kormoc: multiple slave backends

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eiggirC:

kormoc: and use a cluster with failover for your master backend (which has no tuners)

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kormoc:

yeah!

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eiggirC:

kormoc: you know – TV isn't really that important

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kormoc:

it's not?

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kormoc:

but isn't this tvland? what would we do without it?!!?

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vallor:

okay! mythfrontend has stopped segfaulting (yay!), now all we need are "virtual capture cards"...

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kormoc:

they'd be rather useless :P

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vallor:

so that when I'm recording off the composite feed from my cable box, it doesn't try to change channels on the direct firewire feed

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vallor:

or vica-versa

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kormoc:

huh, it won't just work?

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vallor:

no, it makes a mess — for instance, when I'm recording with the composite feed, and I try to watch live tv, it will select the firewire feed and change its channel

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vallor:

which screws up the recording for the composite

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kormoc:

arn't you recording the composite via myth?

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vallor:

"composite" is the composite/svideo port on a wintv

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kormoc:

so it's a second card?

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vallor:

it's configured as a separate card, yes

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vallor:

I have two capture cards defined, but both come from the same tuner

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kormoc:

firewire doesn't have multiple input types?

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eiggirC:

is it possible to import a mpeg recording (done on a pvr-150 in a windows box) ? I didn;t have it down to be recorded

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vallor:

I don't beileve it does

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vallor:

kormoc: unless you mean SD vs. HD and ED

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kormoc:

vallor, my m179 has three input types that deal with situtations like you have

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vallor:

well, the problem is the dct-6200 is a separate device

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vallor:

I should draw a diagram

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kormoc:

I understand that, it's just it should be abstracted in myth, I thought, and it sucks that it's not

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vallor:

basically, though, if there was the possibility of a "virtual" capture card, I could define it with one tuner (the dct-6200) and two inputs (composite and firewire)

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vallor:

as it is, I'm going to run through all the firewire channels when I get a chance and see if they work over firewire

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vallor:

that will be the "dtv-firewire" channel lineup

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vallor:

fallback will be composite

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vallor:

with the "full" lineup

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hd420:

hmm... what's the debian/ubuntu package for modprobe called?

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kormoc:

modutils? modtools? module utils? module tools?

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hd420:

it's there, just need the generate shell script doesn't work properly

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kormoc:

what generate shell script?

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hd420:

"FATAL: Module ivtv not found."

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hd420:

"FATAL: Module lirc_i2c not found."

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hd420:

it's not installing/loading the modules :(

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hd420:

this is a pvr150

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hd420:

bought saturday

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kormoc:

did you install the ivtv module?

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kormoc:

it's not a part of the ubuntu install you know

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hd420:

I installed it

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hd420:

nothing is part of the ubuntu install, added the repository in and installed it

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kormoc:

well, obviously it's not there, else modprobe would be able to load it

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kormoc:

find /lib/modules | grep ivtv.ko

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kormoc:

see if it matches anything

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hd420:

nope

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kormoc:

then ivtv is not installed

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Lingoatz:

hd420> http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/19/31/ or http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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hd420:

i don't see v41-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin either... where should that be?

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hd420:

i see an ivtv_init_mpeg.bin though

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vallor:

oh man, I'm glad I had myth on recording that daily show — the reparte with colbert was hilarious

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Goatz:

hd420 get it running?

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hd420:

Goatz: no, mate

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Goatz:

did you look at either of thoses links from lingoatz?

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Goatz:

first one is a guide for unbuntu to set up ivtv drivers, the second is the homepage for the drivers, you need to install some drivers and put a few firmware things in a few places....

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hd420:

I've looked at both

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kormoc:

hd420, until you have a ivtv.ko file, your driver is not installed

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hd420:

I do have the ivtv.ko file now, kormoc

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kormoc:

ooh, nice

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hd420:

indeed

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hd420:

fsck it for tonight!

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hd420:

I'll get to it tomorrow

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BrokenPipe:

mishehu: Do you use your audigy with spidf passthrough?

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blafd:

Oh Yeah

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blafd:

that reminds me

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blafd:

does myth support alsa sound?

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blafd:

becuse when i was watching the backend the other day it was yaping about OSS.!@ argh

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kavorka^:

anyone using a nvidia 6200 here?

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Agrajag-:

blafd: yes it does

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vallor:

say, any dct-6200 gurus here? was wondering if you can query the box for it's idea of the current time...

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vallor:

-'

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fourcheeze:

anyone successfully ripping dvds with mythdvd ?

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fourcheeze:

mine just bombs out with "No jobs and nothing else to do" :/

[10:22:19]

fourcheeze:

also playing DVDs is not working either

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fourcheeze:

saying it cannot open the IFO file

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fourcheeze:

I'm guessing those are related

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fourcheeze:

ok, that's weird ripping seems to be working for a different dvd

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fourcheeze:

could this be a region thing?

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fourcheeze:

does myth know anything about regions?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

doesn't it say the region on the dvd's?

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therp:

is there actually any useful way to configure mythtv to take reasonable measures to make audio work? for instance set the input source, set igain, and run something similar to v4lctl volume mute off

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: got my very own missing recording last night :(

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Neeesat25:

Can someone help please. I have install debian and gnome got via svn mythtv v19 I have install all the required packages then did make and make install how I start myth?

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stuarta:

RTFM

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Merlin83b2:

Heh, as the problem stops for me stuarta (it seems) it's started for you.

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Merlin83b2:

Is it as repeatable as mine was, though?

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stuarta:

Merlin83b2: first time I've seen it. I blame it on the GF

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Merlin83b2:

Heh

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stuarta:

every time I tell her, "I'm recording that", i find out later it hasn't recorded.

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Merlin83b2:

Heh, ditto – happened to me at the weekend, albeit whlie I was playing with stuff.

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stuarta:

the previous times were understandable, when the BE was unstable, when the BE had a leak

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Neeesat25:

When I try ./mythtv I get error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

Neeesat25: you really need to go and read the howto that comes with myth

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stuarta:

especially the bit about how to "install" it

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Neeesat25:

ok

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blafd:

grr

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blafd:

Man still hunting for a usb tunner

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blafd:

will find him self in a ditch

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blafd:

and no confucius never said that ;)

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blafd:

i find it shocking just how much of them there are

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blafd:

its like the uk market has been swamped

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blafd:

and there alload of fscking bullshit with out a doubt

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Hoxzer:

is there any clean way to delete records in the record dir?

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Hoxzer:

if I reinstalled database

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Hoxzer:

OH MY GOD

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Hoxzer:

I dont know but EIT wont come up

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Hoxzer:

now I need to think

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Hoxzer:

is there any manual way to get EIT program guide so I could see why doens't mythtv get it automatically?

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GreyFoxx:

I know there is a tv_na_dvb app out there that will grab it and put it into an xml format that can be imported with mythfilldatabase

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GreyFoxx:

but that wont tell you why myth isn't getting it

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dorel_:

would you suggest getting mythtv from svn or just the latest 19 on the website?

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fozi:

Hoxzer: Have you imported a channels.conf?

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Hoxzer:

Yeah

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Hoxzer:

mythtv-setup crashes if I try to do full scan

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Hoxzer:

and If I only scan already existing channels it doesn't give EIT anyway

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fozi:

channels.conf import does not set all necessary data for eit-scanning

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Hoxzer:

ok, I see

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Hoxzer:

maybe I try to setup latest version instead of 0.19

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Hoxzer:

DVB works now on latest?

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GreyFoxx:

dorel_: Personally I always run SVN. but 0.19-fixes migth be perfectly fine for you

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fozi:

Hoxzer: svn head has issues with dvb scanning too but they are hopefully resolved this week

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** stuarta goes looking for his thumb **

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Hoxzer:

k..

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Hoxzer:

but anyways I try to compile the latest SVN version and see if I get it work

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stuarta:

Hoxzer: you can use setup to rescan your transports and update the information required

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Hoxzer:

k

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dorel_:

ive add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main

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dorel_:

but apt-get update complains about a security key not being updated or something

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dorel_:

ah nm, i can still install

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Neeesat25:

I did the install as instructed from the how to but when try to start mythtv I get: mythtv: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

where is myth installed?

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Neeesat25:

well I have the installation folder in /usr/local/src/mythtv/mythtv and the executables in /usr/local/bin/

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stuarta:

is /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf?

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Neeesat25:

no I just added it

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stuarta:

did you run ldconfig?

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Neeesat25:

no

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stuarta:

run it & try again

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Neeesat25:

mythtv

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Neeesat25:

mythtv: cannot connect to X server

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stuarta:

finish working your way through the setup howto.

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tfm:

mythtv on /.

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Neeesat25:

I was running it from a terminal

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Neeesat25:

not within the gnome

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Neeesat25:

Now when I try it within gnome I get:QsqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Neeesat25:

But on the background I can see it started saying to select language etc

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stuarta:

you have 'a lot' of things to setup

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Neeesat25:

hmm like?

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stuarta:

the entire backend?

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Neeesat25:

so I will have to make the setup and after that it will start?

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stuarta:

go through the setup procedure for configuring the backend

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Neeesat25:

Then how do I start it?

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Neeesat25:

I have set the infos for the Mysql database and at the last page it exit and got: Failed to init Mythcontext, exiting

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psofa:

i still get stuttering on both dvb-t and dvb-s because of audio underruns.Tried both alsa and oss.And also have enabled the extra audio buffers

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jnunez:

q: how do I not make a directory "Group writable directory"

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dorel_:

im doing a complete new install of mythtv on a new box

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dorel_:

i have to say its like going through hell

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dorel_:

so many things to worry about

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jnunez:

Making a email daemon in PHP to handle emails with an encryption key and a schedule request. I need this script to be triggered by all incoming email to my MythTV email account. but I get a Group Writable Directory error in the maillog

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jnunez:

Let me get to a linux or sendmail room

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port7:

mythweb is damn cool

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port7:

vpn home and setup recordings

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fir3st0rm:

hi

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fir3st0rm:

someone here using the mythweb/music mp3act patch? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1699

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Mobleman:

Can someone help me install a PVR500 on Ubuntu? I've tried to surf around to find a guide or something... But couldn't find something good.. :/

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port7:

have you installed the ivtv drivers?

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port7:

you will need to compile them

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Mobleman:

Yea I think...:(

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RaYmAn-Bx:

do they load?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

:P

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Mobleman:

How do I see?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

type dmesg

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Mobleman:

Erh... It prints out a lot of text..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yes

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Mobleman:

RaYmAn-Bx: Shall I post it somewhere?

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port7:

of you can do lsmod | grep ivtv

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port7:

s/of/or

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port7:

there should be a bunch of lines

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mobleman: look for a line that says start init ivtv

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jams:

looks like showshifter is back

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Mobleman:

port7 and RaYmAn-Bx: Result of dmesg – http://pastebin.com/683079 and lsmod: http://pastebin.com/683081

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port7:

Mobleman: looks like you have it installed

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mobleman: ok, i'm sure you could have realised that output relating to your keyboard is more or less useless =P

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Mobleman:

RaYmAn-Bx: Yea.. but it was the output of the command you gave me.. ;)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mobleman: as port7 says it looks like it's installed..now try "cat /dev/video0 > /some/path/file.mpg"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mobleman: yeah..it only shows the most recent kernel messages

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port7:

Mobleman: have you installed mythtv?

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Mobleman:

RaYmAn-Bx: When i look in /dev/ there is nothing called video

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Mobleman:

port7: Yea...

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Mobleman:

RaYmAn-Bx: "No such file or directory

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mobleman: have a look at your log files in /var/log then and look for ivtv..(probably messages, but I don't really know ubuntu)

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port7:

Mobleman: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart

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port7:

then ls -l /dev/vid*

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port7:

also make sure user mythtv is a member of video and audio groups

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port7:

usermod -G video mythtv

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port7:

usermod -G audio mythtv

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Mobleman:

port7: Done... But it still isn't there...

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port7:

hmm divers are shagged then i reckon

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Mobleman:

? :/

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port7:

have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythTV

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RaYmAn-Bx:

The easy way could be to just find the ivtv part of the logs, and you know..try and fix an actual problem rather than trying to fix random possible problems ;)

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port7:

RaYmAn-Bx: yep

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port7:

Mobleman: have a look in /var/log see if there are any errors

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port7:

syslog and messages are good places to start

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Mobleman:

port7: I've not seen that page.. ;)

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Mobleman:

How do i see syslog?

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Mobleman:

There aren't anything in /var/log called something with ivtv

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port7:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Breezy_Installation

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port7:

is a good one too

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Mobleman:

Ahh... There are many sites... I haven't seen them before, thanks port7! ;D

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dorel_:

i think im going to write a script to automate all of this installation process

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dorel_:

its simply painful!

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Merlin83b:

dorel_: See KnoppMyth.

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jnunez:

Is there a way to test the firewire capture without setting it all up?

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dorel_:

uhmmm, can someone tell me about dvb a little?

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Merlin83b:

It's lovely.

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Merlin83b:

Want to know anything else?

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dorel_:

:)

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dorel_:

yeah, i mean, its a fta thing right?

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Merlin83b:

Here in the UK, it's what the masses would call Freeview (DVB-T, that is)

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dorel_:

fta = free to air

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dorel_:

so i guess thats what you mean

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GreyFoxx:

dvb != fta

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GreyFoxx:

though some dvb IS fta

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dorel_:

ahh ok

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, I could have pointed that out, I guess.

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dorel_:

what do i need to receive those dvb signals?

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Merlin83b:

Are you in .uk, dorel_?

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Merlin83b:

You need a DVB-T card, such as the Hauppauge Nova-T.

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Merlin83b:

I don't know what the situation is in other countries.

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dorel_:

i am in israel

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Merlin83b:

Does Israel have DVB-T?

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GreyFoxx:

More likely DVB-S

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dorel_:

yeah, though its experimental

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dorel_:

by bezeq and runcoms i think

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dorel_:

i got the hauppauge pvr150, does that one have dvb?

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Merlin83b:

No.

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GreyFoxx:

no

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dorel_:

ahh ok

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GreyFoxx:

But you can use the 150 to record the composite/svideo signal coming out of an external receiver

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Merlin83b:

A joint field trial using Bezeqs two existing DVB-T test transmitters will take place during the first half of 2004

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Merlin83b:

Apparently.

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hd420:

anyone using a hauppauge pvr150 with mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

many are :)

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GreyFoxx:

Mine are all 250's though heh

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dorel_:

yeah me hd420

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hd420:

dorel: i was wondering if you'd put up your v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw file on the web for me to download?

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hd420:

mine appears to be corrupted

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hd420:

my sha1 signature is b9c3e5e2549eb97aa6d9f23553db5c3206a67320

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possie:

is it normal for mythtv-setup to complain when i configure my video source saying "MythTV was unable to retrieve channel information for your provider. Please check the terminal window for more information" but i can't really figure out what's wrong with my tv_grab_nl

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stuarta:

possie: run tv_grab_nl manually

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possie:

stuarta, then it runs perfectly all though it takes hours to run

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Hoxzer:

Eh, is there some problems with latest SVN in DVB scan?

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Merlin83b:

Being heavily worked on at the moment, Hoxzer.

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Hoxzer:

nice

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Hoxzer:

I just wasted like 2hours to install

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hd420:

hmmm... that's odd....

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hd420:

hotplug wasn't running, now modprobe leaves no messages in dmesg... is that good?

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Hoxzer:

well I think I have to install mythtv-0.19-fixes then

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hd420:

hmmm

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hd420:

ok... it seems to work now

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hd420:

what is the database password used by mythfilldatabase?

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fozi:

mythtv:mythtv

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kormoc:

hd420, it's the same one as used by the backend

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possie:

anyone know if there is a Dutch grabber which also provides channel number information?

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kazan:

how do you determine if you have a Dual Link DVI-I or a Single Link DVI-I if you cannot find any technical specifications that state it?

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kormoc:

kazan, you build a monitor that displays the link type?

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kazan:

....

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kazan:

not a constructive answer'

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kazan:

i want to know if the DVI-I connector on my video card is dual or single link for future planning

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kormoc:

actually, it's rather constructive, given you have to build things.

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kormoc:

well, if you can't find any tech specs, then it's rather doubtful that anyone else can find them for you

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hd420:

kazan: trial and error?

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kormoc:

kazan, and besides, any large lcd monitor should have a list of cards that support it

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kazan:

hd420: um... noooo

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fozi:

kazan: if it's older than 6–10 it's probably single link

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kazan:

hd420: i'm not going to buy hardware to determine if something is dual link or not

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kazan:

fozi: 2005-06–10?

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hd420:

kazan: RTFM?

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hd420:

ever heard of "return policies", kazan?

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kazan:

hd420: RTFC

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kazan:

[12:46] <kazan> how do you determine if you have a Dual Link DVI-I or a Single Link DVI-I if you cannot find any technical specifications that state it?

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kormoc:

kazan, you can email tech support as well

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hd420:

buy and return, mate

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kazan:

hd420: no

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hd420:

it's a fairly standard procedure

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kazan:

hd420: i used to work in electronics sales

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kazan:

hd420: the people who sell those TVs are paid on comission

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hd420:

kazan: I used to work at Oracle, I fail to see the relevance

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hd420:

so?

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kormoc:

kazan, so? circuit city has a no questions asked return policy

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kazan:

......

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kormoc:

kazan, and why would you care about dual link dvi for tvs?

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kazan:

when you buy the TV get they $X, when you return it they have to give that back

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kazan:

kormoc: HDTV..............

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kormoc:

kazan, you don't need dual link for hdtv

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hd420:

and if you don't buy the TV, they don't get any of it

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kormoc:

kazan, you only need dual link for the high res, 30 inch lcd monsters that dell and apple do

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kazan:

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hd420:

so be a good capitalist and get your credit card maxed out <g>

[17:54:15]

kazan:

or for a TV kormoc

[17:54:19]

kazan:

hd420: no

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kazan:

hd420: that reduces my credit score

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hd420:

uhh... not if you pay it off

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kazan:

actually yes even then

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kazan:

it lowers it until you've paid it off

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hd420:

incorrect, sir

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kazan:

um

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kazan:

correct

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hd420:

entirely poppycock

[17:55:19]

** kazan just worked his credit score up to 765 **

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kazan:

should be higher than that once it updates again, becausei got an illegitimate deragory [my only derog] removed :D

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kormoc:

kazan, so what card are you even looking for specs for? you never told us...

[17:56:11]

kazan:

kormoc: a sapphire radeon 9600SE

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kazan:

it has DVI-I

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kormoc:

kazan, not DVI-DL

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hd420:

I pay me bills on time every month and come close to maxing out my cards, me credit score didn't hinder me from buying my flat

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kazan:

not everyone uses DVI-DL notation

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kazan:

DVI-I only signifies that it has both the analog and the digital

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kazan:

and the tech specs don't even state that – they state "DVI connector"

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kormoc:

kazan... the only ati's that have dual link are the X1xx cards

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kazan:

i'm appending the -I

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kazan:

kormoc: gimpage

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hd420:

kazan: in any case, the suggestion was said with tongue-in-cheek, sorry if the "<g>" wasn't obvious

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kormoc:

kazan, unless you're talking about for a mac

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kazan:

hd420 how old are you?

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** kazan is 22 **

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kazan:

not a long credit hist – maxed out cards have a lot more effect than me

[17:58:07]

kazan:

plus paying your bills was maxing out your card? you don't have a very high max

[17:58:12]

dtm:

lallaa

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hd420:

26

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kazan:

you've got an additional 48 months of history on you

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kazan:

i've barely got a long enough credit history to get a car loan

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** kormoc blinks **

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** hd420 doesn't have a car loan **

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kormoc:

I have 0 credit, and I got a car loan

[17:59:04]

kormoc:

car loans are easy to get

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kazan:

kormoc: i'm talking thruogh the bank

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** kazan won't finance through a dealer **

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xris:

kazan: carrying a balance on your credit card improves your credit score (to a point)... just like having outstanding loans.

[17:59:15]

hd420:

yes, cars also make lousy investments

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kazan:

it's not very wise

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kazan:

hd420: new cars

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kormoc:

kazan, I can't get a credit card, yet I got a car loan via the bank and they'd be happy to give me another one

[17:59:28]

kazan:

hd420: used tend to be better

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kazan:

kormoc: what bank

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hd420:

kazan: same difference

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kazan:

kormoc: how old are you

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hd420:

compared to property

[17:59:42]

kazan:

hd420: actually no – not if you keep it up

[17:59:47]

kazan:

compared to property yes

[17:59:56]

kazan:

but it's better than say, putting your money in a mythtv farm :P

[18:00:09]

kazan:

it's also possible that US Bank is just anal about risk

[18:00:11]

xris:

kazan: my mythtv farm has made me a lot of money

[18:00:14]

hd420:

kazan: even a savings bond is a better investment than a car — new or used

[18:00:18]

kazan:

xris: how so

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kormoc:

kazan, first car loan at 20 from MFCU, becu and toyota both want to give me loans now, and I'm 24. and 0 credit cards

[18:00:32]

kazan:

hd420: i'm not buying it for the investment value

[18:00:37]

kazan:

hd420: i'm buying it to use it

[18:00:38]

xris:

it got me a raise, found me kormoc (which got him a job and a raise, btw)....

[18:00:40]

kazan:

MFCU?

[18:00:55]

hd420:

some credit union, presumably

[18:00:55]

kazan:

xris: where TF do you two work?

[18:00:57]

kormoc:

kameron, Millersville Federal Credit Union, Millersville, PA

[18:01:02]

xris:

kazan: siliconmechanics.com

[18:01:08]

kazan:

you went to a local credit union

[18:01:15]

kazan:

i'm using a national bank

[18:01:18]

kazan:

they're more anal

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kormoc:

kazan, that local credit union is a full bank, and part of the federal credit union system...

[18:01:41]

kazan:

*shrug* soon as the system updates and gets that derog off

[18:01:45]

kormoc:

kazan, so go to Bank of America, they're not anal at all.

[18:01:51]

kazan:

kormoc: credit unions aren't as anal as national bank chains

[18:01:53]

kazan:

fuck BoA

[18:01:59]

kormoc:

ooh, credit unions tend to be worse

[18:02:02]

kazan:

i have to deal with BoA's defective payment gateway enough

[18:02:02]

hd420:

indeed, fuck BoA

[18:02:12]

dtm:

indeed++

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kormoc:

they don't have the money like large banks to deal with

[18:02:43]

kazan:

they also don't have corporate policies from the Gods On High who don't know the local landscape

[18:02:44]

dtm:

i dont know what you guys are talking about, but i know that, and so should everyone else

[18:02:51]

kazan:

it could also be that I live in a college town making em more anal

[18:03:03]

xris:

kormoc: it's true — credit unions are usually MUCH more pro-consumer than banks are

[18:03:04]

kazan:

dtm: know what? fuck BoA?

[18:03:07]

dtm:

yeah

[18:03:08]

kazan:

Wells Fargo is worse

[18:03:12]

** kazan used to work in Wells Fargo CIS **

[18:03:26]

hd420:

once, before the euro, AIB decided to put a foreign currency transaction charge on every purchase made outside Ireland... that didn't last very long

[18:03:28]

hd420:

lol

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dtm:

oh man. WF. flashbacks.

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kormoc:

xris, not becu, 15%... Us bank is offering a max of 13.

[18:03:58]

hd420:

AIB == Allied Irish Bank

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kazan:

let's just say: all the intelligent people in WF CIS are the peons, and all the people in positions of power are total retards

[18:04:12]

xris:

kormoc: except on my mortgage they undercut anyone else by at least 1%

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hd420:

kazan: that's the case at most organisations

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kormoc:

xris, heh, fair nuff. I'm only looking at car loans, and they're one of the worst.

[18:04:33]

kazan:

i got terminated (was a contractor) because I had this inconvient tendancy to want to fix internal security vulnerabilities

[18:04:35]

xris:

different scales based on your credit, probably.

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kazan:

if you can get passed their outer security into the local network there are many SMB shares that give full control everyone and have sensative information on them

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kormoc:

xris, nah, they're lowest is 6.99% or so, us bank offers down to 4.5%, BoA is 5%, Toyota and GM both go to 2.5%

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kazan:

and Bank of America pisses me off because their defective online payment system

[18:05:51]

hd420:

this is weird

[18:05:53]

xris:

kormoc: ah, odd.

[18:05:53]

kazan:

it would return a failure status to our payment system, but then charge the customer

[18:06:09]

kazan:

Toyota and GM aren't offering fixed i bet

[18:06:11]

hd420:

I'm setting up my channels and the bloody thing isn't letting me "TAB" to "Scan for channels"

[18:06:25]

kormoc:

kazan, they are, for qualified buyers*

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** xris ponders how much a Yaris would cost at 2.5% **

[18:07:42]

dtm:

kazan: i'd think that kind of anti-security policy would be obliterated by Sarbanes-Oxley

[18:07:53]

kazan:

hahahahahaahah

[18:07:58]

kazan:

you'd THINK that

[18:08:10]

kazan:

i doubt they'll be SOX compliant within 3 years

[18:08:11]

hd420:

dtm: Sarbanes-Oxley has no teeth, far as I can tell

[18:08:23]

kazan:

we're SOX anal where i'm at now

[18:08:33]

kormoc:

xris, 14k @ 2.5% for 48 months is around $300 a month, 60 months is around $250

[18:08:47]

kazan:

only really big annoyance about it is once our new server cluster is up only two people will have console access

[18:09:07]

xris:

kormoc: man, that puts it into perspective.... I like my $500 (total) camry. heh.

[18:09:08]

kazan:

the rest of us will have to go through a web system to update all our applications on the servers, etc

[18:09:11]

kazan:

which i may end up writing :D

[18:09:30]

kazan:

new cars are crap :/

[18:09:36]

kormoc:

xris, heh, yeah, it's why I'm so hesitant to buy a car.

[18:09:49]

kormoc:

xris, I thought my last loan was bad...

[18:09:59]

hd420:

kazan: depends on your purpose, if it's an investment than yes, they are crap, but if it's to drive...

[18:10:02]

xris:

oh, I was supposed to have matthew look into cars for you.

[18:10:09]

kazan:

it's still crap hd420

[18:10:13]

kormoc:

kazan, three words for you, g6 hard-top convertable

[18:10:14]

** kormoc drools **

[18:10:17]

kazan:

i will NEVER buy a new car [unless i'm rolling in cash]

[18:10:34]

kazan:

the only reason to EVER buy new is to write off the depreciation

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Neeesat25:

Cool I have manage to start Myth

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hd420:

there you go, kazan, you hit the nail on the head, amte

[18:11:15]

hd420:

mate

[18:11:28]

kormoc:

kazan, the reason to buy new is the same reason we tend to have way more hardware then normal people, it's what people want, and if I could really afford it, I'd buy a g6 convertable right now, because I love that car.

[18:11:32]

kazan:

you guys must be making a hell of a lot more than me

[18:11:53]

kazan:

of course.. i'm just a 22 year old who hasn't finished his degree

[18:11:57]

kazan:

[i'll be going back]

[18:12:12]

Neeesat25:

can Myth see the NEXUS dvb-s as a capture device?

[18:12:32]

kazan:

is it supported by the DVB drivers

[18:12:47]

hd420:

got the channels... now to test the bloody thing out

[18:13:55]

kormoc:

xris, yeah, tho, if I can just get my current car to last another few months, I'll be able to pull out around 4k or so from my retirement loan to go towards a car, and I could get a 2003 grand-am, same style as mine for 7, so that would drop it to 3, and with trade in, maybe 2.5k or so, which isn't bad at all.

[18:14:01]

Neeesat25:

I will install it ok but I was wondering if it can be set in the settings as a capture device

[18:18:33]

Neeesat25:

Nevermind I will check it out when I will have the card up and running

[18:18:50]

kazan:

bah don't buy a grand am

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kazan:

they don't have the greatest longevity

[18:19:55]

kormoc:

no, they don't, but honestly, I love driving in mine, it's a wonderful fit. I didn't mind driving across the us in it at all.

[18:31:35]

Dibblah:

Anyone had experience of the (yes, I know) Realtek Gigabit cards in Linux?

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Dibblah:

I'm debating if the $40 difference in price for a real Marvell / Broadcom is really going to make any difference.

[18:33:17]

RaYmAn-Bx:

realtek doesn't generally have the best trackrecord in NIC's (or anything really..)..everything I've seen from them has been cheap crap

[18:33:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

(admittedly this is only NIC's and AC97 codec builtin soundcards)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

they might have improved with there gbit cards though

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kormoc:

my RT 100's were prefectly fine under linux, no idea bout the gbit cards

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Dibblah:

I remember the 8139 based cards well. 100% CPU on a (then) high end CPU to saturate 100Mbits... Wasn't impressive.

[18:38:25]

Dibblah:

Bah. I'll buy both and try the ebay rebate if it doesn't work ;)

[18:39:29]

kormoc:

could just get a e1000 pci card and just ignore any onboard nics :P

[18:43:44]

Zider:

Dibblah: what do you count as "high end" then?

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HeMan:

Hi! Anyone using a ATI-card with VGA->SCART-adapter?

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xris:

HeMan: a better question would be "does *anyone* use SCART?"

[18:47:52]

HeMan:

umm, why?

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kormoc:

it's a bit rare?

[18:48:13]

xris:

not exactly a common connector these days

[18:48:14]

HeMan:

without using HDMI it gives the far best quality imh

[18:48:18]

Juski:

a better question still would be is anyone _here_ using SCART?

[18:48:26]

kormoc:

HeMan, DVI is quite nice

[18:48:46]

Juski:

not all of us are rich enough to have TVs with HDMI or DVI ya know ;-)

[18:49:00]

Juski:

or VGA for that matter

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HeMan:

but I'm an old-schooler with and old CRT tv

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Coume:

evening all

[18:49:17]

Juski:

evening all

[18:49:29]

Juski:

oops...

[18:49:35]

Juski:

evening Coume

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xris:

HeMan: SCART isn't really used at all in the US.

[18:49:38]

Coume:

lol

[18:49:45]

Coume:

how is it going Juski ?

[18:49:46]

stuarta:

evening Juski

[18:50:14]

HeMan:

what is used in US to get good qualit?

[18:50:19]

HeMan:

+y

[18:50:36]

Juski:

still tired from last weekend. I need a day off work to recover, but no chance of that. I was going to be going to a concert on Monday but had to cancel because I can't take Tuesday off :-(

[18:50:46]

Juski:

evening stuarta

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kormoc:

HeMan, the levels tend to be (low to high), composite, svideo, component, dvi

[18:50:58]

Coume:

concert of?

[18:51:01]

Juski:

HeMan: component, svideo...

[18:51:02]

xris:

HeMan: svideo, component, dvi, hdmi

[18:51:28]

Anduril:

Could someone please briefly explain the right way to install MythTV Plugins on a Debian system?

[18:51:51]

Juski:

in the UK we've got erm... SCART or SCART.. svideo over scart, composite over scart & RGB over SCART. only now are we getting TVs with component/DVI/HDMI

[18:52:24]

HeMan:

hmmm, I use component, ie RGB, in the SCART-adapter

[18:52:34]

Juski:

Coume: Pet Shop Boys doing the soundtrack to Battleship Potemkin. I have tickets (for free) so I might put them up on Ebay

[18:52:43]

Juski:

HeMan: component != RGB

[18:53:00]

Juski:

component gives you the same quality as RGB though

[18:53:23]

Coume:

eheh :)

[18:53:30]

HeMan:

how is component "designed"? any urls?

[18:53:58]

HeMan:

odd, one ModeLine that i'm trying gives sig 11...

[18:54:04]

Juski:

component is colour difference signals, whereas RGB is just red green & blue

[18:55:17]

Zider:

isn't component often mixed up with composite?

[18:55:31]

HeMan:

what connectors does component use?

[18:55:36]

Juski:

Zider: people lacking in knowledge get them confused

[18:55:43]

Juski:

HeMan: BNC or phono (RCA)

[18:55:54]

Zider:

Juski: yeah, seems like quite a lot of people do..

[18:56:08]

HeMan:

back to my real question, any way to get the ati card to output interlaced signal?

[18:56:26]

Juski:

HeMan: see the wiki – has links to the sort of stuff you want

[18:56:29]

xris:

HeMan: that's a completely different question... and depends on the card and the driver.

[18:56:57]

xris:

wish I could get my SiS card to output interlaced

[18:57:13]

HeMan:

fglrx and radeon 9200

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HeMan:

i've tried all modelines in the wiki for PAL

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Juski:

all these new TVs must look like shit when you put interlaced signals into them – plasmas & LCDs.. doing deinterlacing with cheap chips :-/

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xris:

Juski: they're likely not deinterlacing... just updating every other scan line

[18:58:31]

Juski:

100Hz you mean... ugh that's even worse IMHO

[18:59:03]

xris:

all they have to do is simulate the analog handling of interlaced signals

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Zider:

I don't get this (de)interlacing stuff.. I thought interlaced was just a cheap trick used on Amigas and stuff? is it really used in any serious media nowadays?

[18:59:16]

xris:

Zider: 1080i

[18:59:26]

Zider:

xris: as in hdtv?

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xris:

the i stands for "interlaced"

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Zider:

ah

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xris:

most non-HD tv's are interlaced

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xris:

it has to do with the frame progression in video

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Zider:

that has nothing to do with if it's 100Hz or not, right?

[19:00:25]

xris:

every so often, a frame will be a mixture of the frame before and the frame after

[19:00:30]

xris:

no

[19:00:49]

Zider:

k

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Juski:

anyway – til HDTV comes along here I won't be buying a new telly. mpeg2 at the bitrates we get looks bad enough on a 32 inch screen

[19:01:10]

Zider:

well, nice to know I won't be affected with the (de)interlacing stuff then :)

[19:01:15]

xris:

makes motion frames look like they have jaggy lines if you display it on a progressive screen without deinterlacing.

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xris:

or in the case of mythtv sometimes it looks bad, anyway.

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xris:

Zider: oh?

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Zider:

xris: I won't be doing any hdtv

[19:02:12]

xris:

almost all non-HD tv is interlaced

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Juski:

xris: anyway if they're not deinterlacing they're definitely doing quick & dirty scaling

[19:02:21]

xris:

many DVD's are, too

[19:02:32]

Zider:

xris: wouldn't that make them flicker like hell?

[19:02:37]

xris:

Zider: no

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Zider:

in a dvd player that is

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xris:

the TV is interlaced

[19:02:52]

Juski:

not if you display them properly ;-)

[19:03:00]

xris:

tv only updates every other scan line

[19:03:07]

Zider:

aha

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kormoc:

HeMan, as for your ati question, check the driver readme, it will tell you how you can

[19:03:21]

Juski:

look up interlacing on wikiwikiwah-pedia

[19:04:42]

xris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlacing

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Zider:

hm, but a "normal" tv-out image from a PC isn't interlaced, right?

[19:05:41]

xris:

Zider: actually, it is... the tv is expecting an interlaced signal

[19:05:51]

hd420:

is there a cocoa frontend to mythtv?

[19:05:57]

HeMan:

kormoc: hmm, i'm runnin Ubuntu and find no readme

[19:05:57]

xris:

not that I know of

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xris:

Zider: which is why deinterlacing in mythtv is so silly because the video out to the tv just gets re-interlaced.. making things look less than optimal

[19:06:31]

Juski:

HeMan: do you know how to use google?

[19:06:41]

Juski:

;-)

[19:06:54]

Zider:

xris: hm.. I figured it was just the special *i modes that was interlaced..

[19:07:01]

HeMan:

Jambi: *s* yupp!

[19:07:22]

Zider:

a day when you learn something new is never wasted :D

[19:07:30]

xris:

Zider: in hdtv, yes.

[19:07:38]

xris:

the other modes are "p" (progressive)

[19:07:42]

HeMan:

but i'm a lazy one...

[19:07:44]

xris:

sdtv is 480i

[19:07:51]

xris:

occasionally 480p

[19:07:59]

Juski:

my inlaws have a 100hz TV, and it looks _horrible_

[19:08:10]

Zider:

Juski: mine looks wonderful :P

[19:08:27]

kormoc:

HeMan, look on ati's site then

[19:08:47]

xris:

of course, pal is weird with its 576 lines (or whatever it is)

[19:08:54]

Juski:

I paid ££££ for my CRT TV, so when I upgrade it'll have to be a bloody good set to compare with the quality of this one

[19:09:13]

Zider:

xris: my gfx card is definitely weird.. I'm starting to think it's very broken.. :/

[19:09:16]

kormoc:

Juski, the thinness isn't a factor? :P

[19:09:26]

Juski:

kormoc: not at all

[19:09:44]

kormoc:

nutty brits!

[19:09:50]

sphery:

ivor: You around (on this channel?)

[19:09:57]

Juski:

I like a bright picture with lots of contrast, so LCD & plasma wont please me

[19:09:57]

hd420:

kormoc: bloody Yank!

[19:10:01]

hd420:

:)

[19:10:03]

kormoc:

:P

[19:10:06]

Zider:

I paid 5000 SEK for my 32" widescreen 100Hz.. I think that's about $700

[19:10:24]

Juski:

kormoc: thinness makes no difference when you've got room for a 32" CRT

[19:10:48]

kormoc:

Juski, lcds to me seem just as fine as my crts, and just as bright, and they don't hurt my eyes, so I like them for that, and thinness is just iceing on the cake!

[19:10:58]

Juski:

wouldn't mind a lighter TV for the odd time when I have to move it

[19:11:21]

kormoc:

Yeah, I'm a apartment dweller, I plan to move least once a year or so

[19:11:22]

Zider:

yeah, big crt's weighs lots.. :P

[19:11:33]

Dibblah:

Pay someone the money you saved in not buying LCD ;)

[19:11:50]

kormoc:

Dibblah, but then I have to keep paying the eye doc! :P

[19:11:52]

Zider:

or just do more excercise :D

[19:12:14]

Juski:

exercise doesn't make your lower back any stronger, necessarily

[19:12:22]

** hd420 bought the place he was renting last month **

[19:12:24]

kormoc:

Juski, ooh, other thing is, I like it when all my stuff fits in my car at once, which is how I moved across the us in one trip :)

[19:12:39]

Dibblah:

Zider: At the time, it was a Athlon 800.

[19:12:42]

kormoc:

a 32" crt would be a lot of room :P

[19:12:44]

Juski:

heh. my telly wouldn't even fit in the boot of my car, I don't think

[19:12:50]

hd420:

kormoc: rent a u-haul? :)

[19:12:59]

kormoc:

hd420, nah, showstring budget

[19:13:01]

kormoc:

*shoestring

[19:13:13]

Juski:

anyway it's academic. I cant afford HDTV, which is just aswell cos it ain't here yet

[19:13:27]

Zider:

Dibblah: hm.. and it couldn't cope with a 100Mbit 8139?

[19:13:29]

hd420:

kormoc: workplace doesn't pay for your relocation?

[19:13:34]

kormoc:

hd420, nope

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Juski:

not only that I'd need to majorly upgrade my frontend box

[19:13:44]

hd420:

when i moved from boston to ireland, oracle covered everything

[19:14:07]

Zider:

my TV would probably force the cars shock absorbers thru the chassi..

[19:14:07]

kormoc:

hd420, well, I didn't even have a job when I moved :P

[19:14:16]

hd420:

when i moved from ireland to sf, google covered relocation

[19:14:21]

Dibblah:

Zider: It could. But it was sitting at 90–100% CPU (after all of the performance tweaking) to do not a lot of work.

[19:14:49]

Zider:

Dibblah: strange.. I've had a PII 233MHz as router pumping 100Mbit x2..

[19:15:07]

Zider:

Dibblah: and not getting fully loaded

[19:15:42]

Zider:

Dibblah: had two 8139s in it..

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Juski:

YMMV with 8139 cards

[19:16:32]

Zider:

then again, it was an Intel.. ;)

[19:16:36]

Zider:

*ducks*

[19:16:53]

Zider:

jk, shouldn't matter in that case..

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** kazan is important – the GM of the local soccer team here just called me (j/k – i'm not important, he called because my season ticket order farked up and he wanted to make sure i knew about the team+fans party across town here I can get one [and get the discounted supporter gruop rate]) **

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Beirdo:

packing sucks

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michthom:

Evening all

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Beirdo:

12 cu.ft. of kitchen stuff packed and I'm STILL not done in there

[19:24:36]

jasta:

where you moving?

[19:24:51]

Beirdo:

my stuff's going into storage at dad's

[19:24:57]

Beirdo:

I'm going far far south

[19:24:58]

Beirdo:

;)

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jasta:

Unwise sir :)

[19:25:36]

Beirdo:

bah

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michthom:

Has anyone been successful in getting an RPM install of nvidia-graphics7676 on a FC4 box? I don't seem able to find the required packages via ATRPMs etc from Jarod's guide?

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Beirdo:

the caribbean is a nice place to move to

[19:26:37]

jasta:

that's not very far south.

[19:26:43]

hd420:

do I want to "deinterlace" playback?

[19:26:44]

Beirdo:

sure it is

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jasta:

i live far north :)

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jasta:

but its not very far north either.

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hd420:

"we believe in a one state solution for the middle east; it's borders delineated by Canada and Mexico"

[19:27:49]

hd420:

lol

[19:27:50]

Beirdo:

you gonna break into "it's a small world after all"?

[19:28:20]

stuarta:

smileTV, wtf did that come from....

[19:28:38]

hd420:

Beirdo: I'm just laughing

[19:29:35]

Beirdo:

I'm so sick of packing alone

[19:29:37]

Beirdo:

this blows

[19:29:51]

jasta:

Get a wife.

[19:29:55]

Beirdo:

I am

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Juski:

been there, Beirdo – you're not wrong

[19:30:03]

Beirdo:

but she's already in the Caribbean'

[19:30:09]

Juski:

it'll be worth it though :-)

[19:30:15]

Beirdo:

it sure will :)

[19:30:29]

Beirdo:

got maybe 2–3 boxes of crap left in the kitchen

[19:30:44]

Beirdo:

then 2 or 3 misc boxes of crap in the main room

[19:31:04]

Beirdo:

and the stacks of boxes that I need to ship

[19:31:10]

jasta:

Beirdo: How old are you, if you don't mind my asking?

[19:31:16]

Beirdo:

32

[19:31:27]

jasta:

What will you be doing down in the carribean?

[19:31:31]

Beirdo:

living

[19:31:33]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:31:45]

_nero_:

Beirdo- long time no see!! How soon is the wedding????? :)

[19:31:46]

jasta:

Well I suppose that can't all bad if you've picked up a latin wifey :)

[19:31:47]

Beirdo:

and settling down with the wife-to-be

[19:31:55]

Beirdo:

_nero_, May 20

[19:32:02]

jasta:

can't be all*

[19:32:03]

_nero_:

WOW! You must be excited!! :)

[19:32:18]

_nero_:

(BTW: My 1st anniversary is on the 20th.. :) )

[19:32:21]

Beirdo:

and stressed... finishing the last minute packing crap

[19:32:21]

_nero_:

(of may)

[19:32:32]

Beirdo:

oh NO, we picked your wedding day? ;)

[19:32:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:32:35]

_nero_:

hehe.. I know how that goes!!!

[19:32:41]

_nero_:

haha

[19:32:58]

_nero_:

Nah.. it seems to be a good day to get married.. almost a year later, and we still have "wedded bliss" ;)

[19:33:04]

Beirdo:

:)

[19:33:18]

Beirdo:

you should see the mess of cables I need to pack for the computers

[19:33:20]

Beirdo:

ICK

[19:33:31]

Beirdo:

good thing I haven't packed the tie-wraps

[19:33:38]

ivor:

8 years married this year for me!!

[19:33:42]

_nero_:

Well and early congrats.. its gonna be a blast!! :) you still moving down to PR?

[19:33:47]

Beirdo:

congrats, ivor :)

[19:33:52]

_nero_:

*and=an

[19:33:54]

Beirdo:

_nero_, yup. On Monday

[19:34:01]

_nero_:

Nice!!! :)

[19:34:05]

jasta:

Beirdo: Where do you live now?

[19:34:09]

Beirdo:

Toronto

[19:34:17]

jasta:

That's quite a move.

[19:34:19]

Beirdo:

yup

[19:34:31]

Beirdo:

which is why my crap's going into storage at dad's

[19:34:32]

jasta:

I've only ever lived in one place my entire life :(

[19:34:36]

_nero_:

Make sure you take a trip over to St. John while you are living down there.. its only a 1/2 hour plane ride, and a 45 minute ferry ride away. ;)

[19:34:45]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'm sure we will

[19:35:08]

Beirdo:

but today, I gotta pack stuff into minivan, drive 250km back to dad's, unload

[19:35:14]

Beirdo:

and maybe drive back again

[19:35:16]

Beirdo:

blech

[19:35:17]

_nero_:

ouch..

[19:35:37]

Beirdo:

and tomorrow... same thing

[19:35:44]

Beirdo:

Friday, I HAVE to go to work

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Beirdo:

and I need to return dad's minivan before flying out on Monday early morning

[19:36:02]

_nero_:

(also, on Tortola there is a beach called "honeymooners" beach.. only accessable by boat.. secluded, no one there, beautiful, there is a reason they call it honeymooners beach.. ;) )

[19:36:05]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:36:19]

Beirdo:

might as well call it "conception beach"

[19:36:54]

_nero_:

hahahaha

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_nero_:

I think there are many names it could be given.. most of which should not be used on a family oriented #.. ;)

[19:37:23]

_nero_:

er.. family safe #..

[19:37:23]

jasta:

that sounds like a dangerous place to be :)

[19:37:29]

Beirdo:

aye

[19:37:47]

plb:

Hrm I'm interested in trying mythtv but wondering what cards exactly work

[19:37:52]

_nero_:

jasta- maybe so.. but it sure is a fun place to be too! ;)

[19:38:08]

plb:

Are there any specific cards that work best?

[19:38:08]

jasta:

_nero_: that's what i meant. :)

[19:38:32]

Beirdo:

anyways, those boxes won't pack themselves :(

[19:38:34]

plb:

do these ati all in 1 wonder cards work?

[19:38:37]

Beirdo:

lazy-ass boxes

[19:38:42]

Beirdo:

plb: NO

[19:38:43]

_nero_:

hehe.. somehow, I think the carribean in general has that effect..

[19:38:54]

plb:

Beirdo: what cards work best?

[19:38:58]

_nero_:

plb- do yourself a favor and get one of the PVR-x50 cards.

[19:39:03]

Beirdo:

that's well documented, the Linux drivers for AIW cards are crap

[19:39:19]

Beirdo:

PVR-150/250/350/500 for analog capture

[19:39:21]

_nero_:

mpeg2 encoding, good driver support, takes a ton of load off the CPU, and good quality video..

[19:39:25]

plb:

_nero_: how much are they?

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Beirdo:

nvidia >= FX5200 for playback

[19:39:46]

_nero_:

starting at around $100 for a 150 I believe.

[19:39:46]

plb:

i have the fx5200 actually ;]

[19:40:03]

_nero_:

is 440MX >= FX5200?

[19:40:14]

Juski:

_nero_: nope

[19:40:15]

Beirdo:

no, 440MX << FX5200 :)

[19:40:20]

_nero_:

doh.. I am always lacking.. ;)

[19:40:24]

plb:

ok now how exactly does the whole tv thing work...like right now i have time warner cable with all premium channels...will they work on mythtv?

[19:40:29]

Beirdo:

it will work, but the newer ones will work better

[19:40:44]

_nero_:

plb- yes.. but you'll need some method of controlling the cable box..

[19:40:44]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna go pack

[19:40:50]

Beirdo:

how annoying it is

[19:40:54]

** Juski picked up a mx420 on ebay for like £3.50 yesterday **

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_nero_:

either a serial cable or firewire (best options if the box supports it) or an ir blaster..

[19:41:24]

** kormoc waves to Beirdo **

[19:41:34]

_nero_:

you need to have the cable box act as your tuner, and the card just acts as video capture..

[19:41:46]

_nero_:

Best of luck Beirdo!! It'll be well worth it when its all done..

[19:41:55]

Beirdo:

it will be, for sure

[19:41:58]

Beirdo:

heya, kormoc

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kormoc:

mornin' Beirdo

[19:42:10]

_nero_:

crack yourself a beer.. makes the packing chores more tolerable.. ;)

[19:42:14]

Beirdo:

my nice big TV is now adorning my sister's living room

[19:42:32]

Beirdo:

well, beer is not conducive to the 250km drive in a couple hours

[19:42:36]

_nero_:

what advantage does a FX5200 have over a 440mx??

[19:42:41]

_nero_:

Ahhh... forgot about the drive..

[19:42:50]

_nero_:

nm.. get yourself a nice tall coke.. ;)

[19:42:55]

Beirdo:

better GPU, xmvc support

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kormoc:

_nero_, XvMC, more powerful gpu, better tv out if you are using it

[19:43:16]

plb:

hey guys is this the pvr you are talking about......

[19:43:18]

plb:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Hauppauge-WinT . . . uctDetail.do

[19:43:19]

_nero_:

humm.. time to look into an FX5200..

[19:43:21]

Beirdo:

well, back to the grind

[19:43:29]

plb:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 (1045)

[19:43:29]

Juski:

plb: yup

[19:43:30]

plb:

?

[19:43:32]

kormoc:

Beirdo, see ya!

[19:43:33]

plb:

ah thanks

[19:43:44]

jams:

_nero_- should be able to find one for $30 or so

[19:43:53]

_nero_:

cool.. will definitely look into it..

[19:43:57]

kormoc:

plb, tho you can find it cheaper online

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hd420:

"Remote encoder not responding"

[19:44:10]

hd420:

grrr....

[19:44:27]

plb:

so to setup mythtv and get it to work with time warner cable I would need that card and serial cable?

[19:44:29]

_nero_:

I found out that the old 440mx that was in my Mythtv box was bad.. put in a new one (well, an old one I had lying around).. still not real impressed.. will try an FX 5200..

[19:44:43]

kormoc:

_nero_, not impressed by what?

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_nero_:

plb- you need to see if your TW cable box 1) has serial support, 2) has serial support built in.

[19:44:55]

_nero_:

kormoc, the quality of video..

[19:45:06]

_nero_:

I cant get overscan to work (it causes the picture to garble), and the colors are somewhat flat..

[19:45:36]

kormoc:

_nero_, the nicest tvout I have seems to be on my 6200, so might want to look at that

[19:46:11]

_nero_:

The old 440mx had better video/nice overscan/better colors, but crashed the machine every half hour.. the new one is nice and stable, but has inferior video.. :(

[19:46:20]

_nero_:

cool... how much do the 6200s go for?

[19:46:37]

AndyCap:

_nero_: what do you use as the input?

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Zider:

_nero_: 440mx what? gf2 or gf4?

[19:46:56]

_nero_:

GF4 440mx..

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kormoc:

_nero_, ~$55 or so

[19:47:02]

Zider:

ah

[19:47:04]

_nero_:

for the input?? A PVR-250.

[19:47:35]

AndyCap:

_nero_: oh, no sorry, was thinking s-video/scart etc?

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kormoc:

_nero_, and that's for a fanless msi low profile one, nice card

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_nero_:

svideo.

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AndyCap:

_nero_: been using VGA -> scart here. (rgb) but it is a bit of a hack

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_nero_:

kormoc, nice.. I can do that.. ;)

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_nero_:

scart?

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AndyCap:

_nero_: heh, ok. http://www.hinn.de/deutsch/images/scart.gif one of these

[19:49:02]

_nero_:

The TV is an oldish (6–7 years old) Sony Trinitron 35".. only has composite and svideo inputs..

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jams:

the last 6200 I picked up was $40

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kormoc:

jams, what brand/stats?

[19:49:56]

AndyCap:

_nero_: no scart connector? Heh, the US never ceases to amaze me. :)

[19:50:05]

_nero_:

(what I REALLY need is a nice HDTV.. heh.. good luck getting the wife to go along with that one.. ;) )

[19:50:22]

_nero_:

AndyCap, nope.. :(

[19:50:27]

jams:

gigabyte 6200 low profile, fanless I think it had 128 ram but not for sure

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kormoc:

jams, ahh, nifty.

[19:51:01]

Juski:

AndyCap: nah USA TVs have reams & reams of phono connectors

[19:51:03]

AndyCap:

_nero_: anyhow. my tv is 16 years old (cough, cough) but the picture with vga->rgb is nice. I'm holding out for when I can afford an lcd with dvi

[19:51:17]

jams:

I don't pay much attention to ram on the card anymore 128 is enough for my needs

[19:51:20]

AndyCap:

Juski: can't they do anything right? :-P

[19:51:35]

Zider:

how much work is it to do a VGA -> svideo converter?

[19:51:38]

Juski:

AndyCap: no comment.

[19:51:39]

Zider:

or VGA -> SCART

[19:52:12]

_nero_:

humm.. so 256megs wouldn't be needed??

[19:52:29]

_nero_:

or is it worth the extra $15.00?

[19:52:32]

Juski:

Zider: not much work for VGA – SCART. VGA-svideo requires a colour encoder chip

[19:52:32]

kormoc:

_nero_, mine is 128 and it's fine, it won't hurt, but won't be used likely

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AndyCap:

Zider: can't do vga -> svideo without a circuit to convert. VGA->scart is just some soldering the connectors for ati cards, and a little circuit for nvidia

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Zider:

Juski: ah

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xris:

Zider: cheaper to get a video card with svideo out

[19:53:10]

Juski:

little circuit – usually just one transistor and a couple of resistors

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Zider:

xris: I have three, and none of them work very well..

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xris:

Zider: nvidia?

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Zider:

xris: two nvidia and an ATI

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xris:

hmm. could just be limitations of the tv hardware, etc.

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_nero_:

This one look ok? http://3btech.net/panvge6225ag.html

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AndyCap:

Zider: anyhow: with appropriate warnings: http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/

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kormoc:

_nero_, should be fine, if you trust the brand

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jams:

_nero_- looks ok to me

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_nero_:

That was one of the few I could find that had passive cooling..

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Zider:

xris: well, the ati and one of the nvidia is only supported by the xorg drivers, and won't do tv-out at all then.. or I can use vesa and all of it's, well, downsides.. the otner nvidia is a gf2mx that CAN do up to 1024x768, but craps out with anything over 640x480.. so.. :P

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xris:

need that on-the-side job to kick in

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kormoc:

_nero_, I know MSI makes one

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xris:

Zider: oh.. OLD stuff... yeah, pick up an nvidia 6200... like $40, probably a little more in .se, but shouldn't be that bad

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kormoc:

_nero_, also, if you're looking towards HDTV sutff, you might want one with a 128 bit memory interface

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_nero_:

yeah.. I just found the MSI..

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_nero_:

128 bit memory interface?? humm.. how do I know if it has 128bit memory?

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Zider:

xris: I just got the gf2mx because I can't afford any new cards at all, didn't expect it to give me so much problems..

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xris:

ah

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kormoc:

_nero_, ooh, nm, it's only the pci-e ones that have the 128 bit memory interface

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xris:

yeah, gf4 is generally considered the best cheap-cheap card for tv out

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Zider:

AndyCap: how come nvidia cards needs some extra circuits?

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AndyCap:

Zider: the ati card should be a good candidate for vga->scart use. :P

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Juski:

Zider: because they don't put out composite sync

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AndyCap:

Zider: they can't provide Composite Sync, only separate Hsync Vsync

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Zider:

aha

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_nero_:

thanks for the info guys.. :)

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_nero_:

Time to go for a run.. bbl..

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** AndyCap keeps confusing composite sync and sync on green **

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Zider:

well, for me the gf2mx is the best candidate, since I want the little 3D it has.. :P

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AndyCap:

Zider: what ati card have you got btw?

[19:59:34]

Zider:

AndyCap: radeon 7000 or something (the very first model)

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Zider:

16MB's I believe

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marcus2:

i dont suppose anyone here is running mythtv under linux on a mactel box

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AndyCap:

Zider: ok, nothing worth writing home about wrt. 3d then.

[20:00:35]

Juski:

right .. time to go watch the latest instalment of '24'

[20:00:39]

Zider:

AndyCap: far from it. :P

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hd420:

24 is cool

[20:01:38]

Zider:

hd420: the number?

[20:02:03]

hd420:

Zider: no, the tv show, by American standards anyway

[20:02:04]

hd420:

lol

[20:02:11]

Zider:

hm, never seen it..

[20:02:29]

hd420:

Zider: Fox broadcast, Monday evening

[20:02:49]

Zider:

hd420: don't have any foxy channels here

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hd420:

Zider: are you in the states?

[20:03:54]

Zider:

far from it

[20:04:03]

Zider:

<-- sweden

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hd420:

no Sky?

[20:04:20]

Zider:

is that another channel?

[20:04:28]

hd420:

satellite provider

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Zider:

no satellite dish

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hd420:

oh ok

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Zider:

only cable

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hd420:

interesting

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hd420:

you can find 24 on the net, though, if you're really curious

[20:07:06]

Zider:

not really.. :)

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hd420:

:)

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AndyCap:

hmm, where do I find v4lctl ?

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Zider:

from what I've googled about it, doesn't seem like anything worth watching.. to me anyway.. :)

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Juski:

you should get it with xawtv, AndyCap

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AndyCap:

Juski: thanks

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kazan:

why were you talking about Rupert Murdoch channels

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kazan:

oh

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kazan:

one of those various Fox shows that i don't watch because they suck

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kazan:

i'm suprised europe even allows rupert murdoch to own TV channels over there

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Zider:

hm, maybe I've asked before, but I'm old and easily forgets things, but.. are there plans on playlist stuff in mythvideo?

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hd420:

anyone here in the States and using a DirectTV R-15 with myth?

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hd420:

anyone here in the States and using a DirectTV R-15 with mythtv?

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Beirdo:

you don't have to ask several times :)

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gardengnome:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Beirdo:

thank you

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Beirdo:

:)

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gardengnome:

no problem :)

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stuarta:

scan, scan, scan....

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Beirdo:

packing is so damn demoralizing

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** Beirdo farts for emphasis **

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gardengnome:

gee, slacker. you're gonna get married

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Beirdo:

yeah, well...

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Beirdo:

you try packing years worth of crap

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Beirdo:

and tell me it ain't demoralizing

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gardengnome:

i fail at tidying my room. i know what you're going trough now. :)

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gardengnome:

through*

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BrokenPipe:

Anyone here use a flash drive/card for everyday use of sort of transporting your "home directory content"? I'm wondering what's the best way to "import" it to my system. Mounting it as my home directory has issues for some window manager files, and having it in some obscure mount directory is annoying for quick navigation.

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awb4422:

BrokenPipe: im not trying to troll you..but if you dont want to use it as a /home or mount it as something else.. what else is there to do really?

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gardengnome:

ln -s /mnt/obscure/ /home/brokenpipe/myhomedirectory

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awb4422:

ok i guess you can symlink it ;)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

ok, night guys :)

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BrokenPipe:

awb4422: I'm up for suggestions, but trying to use it as /home/brokenpipe had issues because that means a) I have to log out any time I want to take the card with me, and b) it has to be mounted before I log in and am able to mount it o.O

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awb4422:

i say try the symlink

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BrokenPipe:

Yeah, currently I have many symlinks, like ~/docs points to /path/to/card/.../docs

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BrokenPipe:

This is my Treo650 SD card, so it has to have some other stuff in the root dir.

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awb4422:

gotcha

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AndyCap:

hmm, is scaling the mythfrontend videooutput to an area less than fullscreen is fairly cpu intensive?

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defi_:

Anyone know the status on the patch that close and re-opens the ivtv device when the driver stops responding?

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defi_:

Giving errors like: slect timeout – ivtv ...

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Juski:

well that episode was a damp squib

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stuarta:

of?

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Juski:

24

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stuarta:

gave up on that ages ago....

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Juski:

the previous one was too :-/

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Juski:

so now they know el presidente is behind everything, jack is after a recording of evidence implicating him... Zzzzz

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Juski:

way too few killings & exploding things lately

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_nero_:

phew.. now that was a run.. :)

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MrGandalf:

Is anyone still noticing deadlocks on later SVN versions?

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fozi:

yes

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MrGandalf:

started around 9710 or so..

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MrGandalf:

enter livetv and the dummyrecorder starts.. never tunes and you have to kill the backend to fix it.

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MrGandalf:

about one out of every 5 or some times entering livetv

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marcus2:

woohoo

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marcus2:

picked up a mac mini

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kormoc:

marcus2, yeah? I was surprised at how light they were as well

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marcus2:

well, i mean as in bought

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kormoc:

:P

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fozi:

no older, but it might happen more often after 9710

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marcus2:

i'm going to try putting gentoo on it

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marcus2:

for mylivingroom frontend

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ShockValue:

anyone know how to scale video in xine? I tried tinkering around with some command line options, but it looks like i might need to use a post-proccessing plugin or somethin?

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xris:

ShockValue: huh? just drag the window bigger/smaller

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ShockValue:

its playing full screen through a command from mythtv... it's not in a window, nor do i have a mouse or keyboard to drag it :)

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xris:

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-scifi-galac . . . ws-headlines

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xris:

ShockValue: hard to scale beyond fullscreen

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kormoc:

ooh, that'd be cool

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kormoc:

mornin J-e-f-f-A

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ShockValue:

im trying to scale 720x480 to 1920x1080.. xine's default method sucks at it.

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xris:

ShockValue: so you want a different algorithm for scaling.. like with noise reduction or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Hello... I haven't had the time to login in a while.. did I miss anything?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, nothing major other then my mythbox is finally up and running :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: kewl! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I have color OSD working pretty well with HDTV on a 1Ghz PIII... ;-)

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kormoc:

nifty :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I might have to re-aim my antenna though — the recording got 'blocky' a couple of times and it looks like it lost about 5–10 seconds each time..

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kormoc:

ouch, yeah, things do tend to drift after awhile

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ShockValue:

xris – i guess so.. all i know is when xine upconverts when i go into full screen, the video gets all blocky/screeny

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kormoc:

ShockValue, and how else can it really do it? it can smooth, but that makes things fuzzy, it can try to guess, but that never really works right...

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ShockValue:

theres lots of different algorythms it can use.. just like mythtv has a few options for de-interlace.

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ShockValue:

i just am not sure if i can make xine use different ones or not.

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kormoc:

ShockValue, my main point is upresing any video that much will always appear blocky, fuzzy, or both

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AndyCap:

kormoc: what? haven't you seen CSI? (or any other show using image enhancement) :-P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, if only that was true, eh?

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kormoc:

hehe, yeah...

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ShockValue:

ah well,time to head home <grin>.. ill fight the blocky battle when i get there

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opello:

that infinite resolution is just around the corner i imagine :)

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kormoc:

vector based video recording!

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: You'll be playing tetris?

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** AndyCap wants the esper machine from bladerunner **

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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ShockValue:

my favorite is in blade runner where they use the mirror in the picture to look around the corner (kinda)

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** kormoc ponders vector based video recording. **

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Tanthrix:

Infinite resolution already exists! Just watch any episode of CSI or Law and Order....

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opello:

it's like they play the actions backwards, adding scanlines, and blurring

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Tanthrix:

Just gotta zoom up, "enhance the image," and bingo, perfect clarity from a crappy bw security cam...off of a reflecton...of someone's eyeball...

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