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Friday, April 21st, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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kormoc:

mythabuser, the config I gave you should have defaulted to 1024x768...

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Zider:

monitor0 there doesn't have any hsync/vrefresh

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mythabuser:

both of my screens are 640x480 and if i go into the display settings, the only option in the drop down is 640x480

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mythabuser:

Zider: im using the one kormoc gave me: http://pastebin.ca/50303

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mmead:

praet: it has been dumping to disk and playing back from disk simultaneously for about 25 minutes with no issues

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kormoc:

mythabuser, log?

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mmead:

praet: kernel 2.6.16.1

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mythabuser:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/50306

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Zider:

hm, shouldn't it be ConnectedMonitor "TV-0" and not just "TV"?

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Zider:

shouldn't matter tho, just thinking..

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kormoc:

Zider, nah, the -0 is totally optional and has been recommended to be left out

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Zider:

kormoc: ah

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kormoc:

mythabuser, you sure those refreshrates are correct?

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Zider:

I have HorizSync 30–90 and VertRefresh 60–85 for my tv :P

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mythabuser:

i have no idea

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mythabuser:

i don't know where they came from

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kormoc:

mythabuser, heh, so where did you get them?

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kormoc:

ooh...

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Zider:

:D

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kormoc:

have the monitor manual around?

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mythabuser:

no

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kormoc:

model number?

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Zider:

kormoc: that would be the tv screen

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Zider:

Monitor1

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kormoc:

Zider, yeah, but he had some really random ones for monitor-0 that I removed, cause they didn't look right

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Zider:

ah

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kormoc:

Zider, assuming his monitor was new enough to send that info itself, but it's not

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Zider:

mythabuser: what kind of monitor do you have?

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mythabuser:

its a really old packard bell

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Zider:

how big?

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Zider:

can do 1024?

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mythabuser:

15"

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Zider:

:P

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mythabuser:

it did before

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Zider:

well.. try horizsync 30–50 and vertrefresh 60–75..

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Zider:

should be withing range even for that old thing

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kormoc:

HorizSync 31.5 – 37.9

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kormoc:

VertRefresh 50.0 – 70.0

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kormoc:

was his old settings

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kormoc:

hence my thinking they were wrong

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Zider:

not necessarily

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Zider:

well, 50 is a bit low for vertrefresh

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Zider:

vertrefresh doesn't even accept anythoing below 60 afaik

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kormoc:

the horizsync doesn't really go high enough for a 70 vert

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mythabuser:

i changed it to 60–75 and am rebooting

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mythabuser:

the hori was already 30–50

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Zider:

you don't need to reboot, only restart X

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mythabuser:

oh

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mythabuser:

...next time

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Zider:

on monday I'll get my new gfx card :D

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mythabuser:

still 640x480

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** kormoc frowns **

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kormoc:

I think you'll need to look up the monitor specs

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mythabuser:

ok, i'll shelf that problem for now i guess

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Zider:

or maybe add some mode lines

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mythabuser:

what are mode lines?

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Zider:

I think that's what might be missing if x can't read it from the monitor

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kormoc:

Zider, yeah, tho the nvidia driver should auto try a bunch to see if they work with the rates in the monitor section

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Zider:

mythabuser: Modeline "1280x800" 123.38 1280 1368 1504 1728 800 801 804 840 <<-- that's a modeline.. the xorg.conf.example contains some examples..

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mythabuser:

i used to put in "export DISPLAY=:0.1" to target the tv, but now that says "cannot connect to X server :0.1"

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kormoc:

ooh?

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mythabuser:

what has changed about that?

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kormoc:

you get a image on the tv tho?

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mythabuser:

yes

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kormoc:

nothing should have...

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mythabuser:

argh

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mythabuser:

just means i have to take my lazy ass over to the computer and type it in there

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mythabuser:

i was working in putty

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Zider:

I like putty :D

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Zider:

..oh, you mean PuTTY.. right.. uhm.. ;)

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kormoc:

I have smart mass thinking putty in a solar blue color :)

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Zider:

ooooooooo

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kormoc:

Zider, have you seen http://www.puttyworld.com/ ?

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Zider:

no, but I've seen the product. :D

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Zider:

and played the game Silly putty

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kormoc:

Zider, he has heat sensitive puttys, glow in the dark puttys, color shifting puttys, metallics, electrics, and the normal colors and it's all cheap :)

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Zider:

heat sensitive..? :D

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

magnetic too!

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kormoc:

Zider, http://www.puttyworld.com/hypercolors.html

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Zider:

wow :D

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Zider:

do they sell worldwide?

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kormoc:

Zider, aye, http://www.puttyworld.com/faq.html#Q23

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Zider:

nice :D

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kormoc:

http://www.puttyworld.com/black.html <-- my next putty

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Zider:

yeah, I was just looking at that one

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Zider:

can't find any magnetic putty :/

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kormoc:

that is magnetic putty :)

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Zider:

ahh, missed that :D

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mmead:

kormoc: ok, things are working properly with test-mpeg2 and mplayer

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kormoc:

it's jet black, but when a magnet is brought to it, it turns into that shiny black color

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Zider:

I was just thinking "that color would fit a magnetic putty" :D

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kormoc:

mmead, cool! what was it?

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mmead:

kormoc: 2.6.16.1?

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mmead:

kormoc: however, upon boot, it will not run

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kormoc:

ooh?

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mmead:

kormoc: even after the plugctl statements

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mmead:

kormoc: only *sometimes* when I unload raw1394, ohci1394, and ieee1394 does it work

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mmead:

kormoc: I can't figure out if I'm supposed to probe them in some specific order, but whenever it starts to work it works reliably over and over

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Zider:

kormoc: too bad the postage and VAT will probably more than the price of the actual putty :P

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mmead:

kormoc: how do you modprobe your 1394 modules?

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Zider:

kormoc: geezus those magnets are strong :D

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hhzjz:

hello

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mmead:

crap

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mmead:

same damn thing

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hhzjz:

what is this channel in the mirc

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mmead:

now that it's going in myth I'm getting the stream errors again

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Zider:

in the "mirc"? :)

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mmead:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2b4c35ef5e70]invalid mb type in P Frame at 16 41

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mmead:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2b4c35ef5e70]ac-tex damaged at 20 42

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hhzjz:

16 blocks en dvd

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mmead:

kormoc: this is so bizarre

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mmead:

kormoc: test-mpeg2 >file and simultaneously mplayer file works perfectly

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mmead:

kormoc: over and over

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mmead:

kormoc: but as soon as I get myth to tune with firewire, it the frontend complains of corrupt streams and the whole machine gets pretty close to locked up

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jim_u:

is there a way i can set which lirc device mythfrontned looks at ?

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cliffd:

anyone know for a fact that the nVidia 5200 has an onboard mpeg encoder? I cant seem to find where it says that exactly. thanks.

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Zider:

fx5200?

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cliffd:

yeah

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cliffd:

sorry.

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jim_u:

ugh this is quite the problem...

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Zider:

that's just a GPU, I doubt it does any mpeg en/de-coding

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mmead:

jim_u: what do you mean by device?

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Zider:

that would be a separate chip chat the card manufaturer would add

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cliffd:

hmm, why does it come so highly recommended then?

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mmead:

cliffd: with xvmc it can do some decoding, but no encoding

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cliffd:

mmead: yeah im sorry I said the wrong thing

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Zider:

cliffd: nvidia cards works well in linux, that's why ;)

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cliffd:

I mean decoding. thanks.

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jim_u:

i have one instance of lircd listening to /dev/lirc/0 which is my first pvr card, thats for my room. i have another instance of lircd listening to /dev/lirc/1. the first instance outputs to /dev/lircd and the second to /dev/lircd1... i need one instance of mythfrontend to listen to /dev/lircd (which is default) and another to listen to /dev/lircd1 (which i can't figure out how to do)

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mmead:

cliffd: you will get accelerated decoding using xvmc assuming you can get it working

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Zider:

"Integrated Full Hardware MPEG-2 Decoder"

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Zider:

from nvidias specs

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cliffd:

mmead: so i should not buy a small cpu with the assumption that all decoding will be done on the graphics card?

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cliffd:

Zider: do you have that url?

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mmead:

cliffd: getting xvmc working is a tough trick, fraught with many pitfalls

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Zider:

cliffd: http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20030304335345.html

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mmead:

cliffd: many people get it to work reliably – I got it to work under .18.1 with a 5200 and it could play 1080i properly

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cliffd:

I only have an SD tv

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cliffd:

nothing fancy

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cliffd:

I just got a TV with a flat CRT screen :(

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mmead:

cliffd: now that I'm using a new system, with different chipset, and faster cpu, and nvidia 6200, it seems impossible to get it going, so I rely on software decoder

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cliffd:

Zider: thanks very much

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jim_u:

mmead, see my problem? not even irexec accepts and option as to which device to listen to... i wonder if its something in.lircrc?

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mmead:

my p3 850 laptop could play back SD using software only decoding as long as I used XV for resizing/scaling in the X server

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Zider:

cliffd: np

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mmead:

jim_u: yeah, I see what you're getting at...

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mmead:

jim_u: I don't know how to tell it to do that, though... 1s

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AngryElf:

so what does the HD3000 show up as in lspci?

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jim_u:

(i just spent like 2 hours getting X to run two servers, with two different usernames running two instances of mythfrontend... i thought that would be the hard part)

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mmead:

hehe

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cliffd:

If i get this fx5200 with svideo out, I can plug that into my TV, (it has svideo in) and then take the audio composite from a sound card and plug that into the audio in? is that how that works?

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Zider:

yeps

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Zider:

or pull the audio to a surround system if you have one

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cliffd:

nope :(

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mmead:

cliffd: yes

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Zider:

hm, soon I can remove three units from my tv surroundings thanks to mythtv.. :D

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Zider:

maybe four

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cliffd:

is the Svideo in on my TV tied to one of the input options, like video 1 video 2, so I pick say video 1 and it will know to use the svideo in but the R and L audio Component in?

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jim_u:

i wonder if i cant do it

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mmead:

cliffd: I have not ever used tvout on an nvidia card – can't help you there – mine was all on a laptop with an ati chip

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mmead:

jim_u: I'm looking at something to help you hang on

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jim_u:

great!

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cliffd:

also, is Svideo what you use for SD tv ?

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mmead:

cliffd: yes

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cliffd:

640x480 max res

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cliffd:

right?

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cliffd:

mmead: thanks

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mmead:

cliffd: you can probably stuff 720x480 including overscan

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Zider:

cliffd: my "sd" tv can do 1024x768 max :P

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cliffd:

ah. so its not a physical limitation of Svideo

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Zider:

cliffd: are you connecting to a SCART input on the tv?

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AngryElf:

what is ./configure --enable-dvb && make && make install going to do to my working myth setup?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: how goes firewire!

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cliffd:

"If your only choices are S-Video or composite, you should really consider getting a new display device, or, not plan on video quality being important to your HTPC." from the linux htpc howto ?? is that true

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cliffd:

Zider: I dont know.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: not well :(

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SlicerDicer-:

whats it doing?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: going back to 2.16.1, I can repeatedly (

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mmead:

>50 times) get mpeg-test >file while simultaneously running mplayer file to work

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jim_u:

mmead, i guess the worst thing i could do is find another remote that would work, and then run lircd twice and use its little network thingy and have it figure out whats going on by remotes..... but i was hoping to use two hauppague grey remotes.

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Zider:

cliffd: s-video is well enough for a HTPC imo

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cliffd:

yeah I dont even have a baller tv

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mmead:

jim_u: I'm not finding the ref I used to have – I'm not sure how you'd change the lirc device that myth uses

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mmead:

SlicerDicer: as soon as I get going in myth and it goes to firewire, the frontend dumps all these mpeg2 errors

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jim_u:

alright.. thanks for looking. i just thought something like that would be configuratible..

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: and the machine goes nuts – like loadavg >8

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Zider:

cliffd: I'm running s-video here, and it looks great imo

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: test-mpeg2 works?

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cliffd:

Zider: cool thanks.. this guy seems to be all about hdtv

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Zider:

cliffd: I don't even know any other way to connect the computer to the TV :P

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SlicerDicer-:

but it does not with mythbackend mmead?

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Zider:

except composite

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mmead:

cliffd: who me? yeah... want it to work well :)

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cliffd:

jim_u: i might be being stupid but should it be --configure-dv(d) or dv(b) ?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: if you run mythbackend as root does it work?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: it works perfectly with test-mpeg2 and mlpayer

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SlicerDicer-:

manually run mythbackend as root

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I'm running mythbackend as root

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SlicerDicer-:

watch the output and see if it works

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SlicerDicer-:

what does the backend say?

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SlicerDicer-:

paste to rafb.net/paste?

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cliffd:

mmead: no this linux htpc howto im reading where he says svideo is no good for pvr

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SlicerDicer-:

paste your plugreport too

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mmead:

jim_u:I thought you could set an env var to get a different lirc device but I'm not finding the reference...

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: ok, hang on

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Zider:

cliffd: where's that guide?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: plugreport

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mmead:

http://pastebin.ca/50320

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cliffd:

http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/index.html

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cliffd:

everyone links to in in mythtvtalk.com forums

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Zider:

I haven't checked the forums yet.. :P

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: script for setting the plugctl stuff: http://pastebin.ca/50321

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SlicerDicer-:

ok plugreport looks good mmead

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AlienBaby:

why would a mythtv box only lockup when the frontend is up and mythfilldatabase runs?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: remove all but line 2

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SlicerDicer-:

they are redundent and not needed

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SlicerDicer-:

those values are default

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: switching tuners to get you some output

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: kill the backend fire it up and use it

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SlicerDicer-:

show me the output from starting it till it absolutely dies

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jim_u:

mmead, the really od thing is i don't see how to do it with irexec either..

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: it doesn't die

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: it dies and mythfrontend goes back to the screen that says options like watchtv

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I mean

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: ok, now myth won't record from firewire again

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: ok

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: maybe you know what's up with this

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abarbaccia:

hey guys – anybody know what nvidia crush integrated graphics are?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: its got to be a simple problem I am going to see if I can see whats going on hehe

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: once I get test-mpeg2 working, it works over and over and over

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Zider:

cliffd: hmm, I think he means that svideo/composite doesn't cut it for _hdtv_ but it works nicely for normal video

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: thats a good sign

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: but on boot test-mpeg2 will not work

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abarbaccia:

mmead: firewire problems?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I have to unload the modules, and reload

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Zider:

cliffd: I mean, dvd players use composite/svideo and nobody complains about them :P

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: what modules?

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SlicerDicer-:

the firewire modules for the kernel?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I cannot find a deterministic order to load them such that it works properly

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: ieee1394, ohci1394, raw1394

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mmead:

abarbaccia: yep, fw

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SlicerDicer-:

do you manually build yoour kernel mmead?

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abarbaccia:

lemme gues

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abarbaccia:

s

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SlicerDicer-:

or do you use a stock distro kernel?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: no, it's the debian 2.6.16.1

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abarbaccia:

you are sometimes able to record then change channels or something and then can't record at all

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SlicerDicer-:

well mmead have you ever built your own kernel?

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abarbaccia:

u get weird timeout errors from the backend , wait a lil bit , then the frontend spits you back to the main screen

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes, been using linux since .92pre6 :)

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: ok well I would advise building your own kernel with firewire support not modules but builtin

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SlicerDicer-:

it eliminates issues with that section

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I had to do

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cliffd:

Zider: thanks. I was confused.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: hmm, ok

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abarbaccia:

mmead: whats the actual problem?

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simcop2387:

how would i get mythtv to recreate the 'recordedmarkup' table? i know how to get mythcommflag to fill it again but the table structure was lost in a filesystem corruption

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: its very very very very very very very very *infinity* anal about the order shit loads

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SlicerDicer-:

you have to do everything just perfect

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SlicerDicer-:

and then having things in there that are redundent just cause possible errors to occur

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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abarbaccia:

SlicerDicer- most of the time if one module depends on another it willl load them in the proper order for you

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mmead:

abarbaccia: the bottom line is test-mpeg2 >file while simultaneously running mplayer file works perfectly, whereas in myth, the machine load goes over 8, and the frontend starts seeing mpeg stream errors

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: understood but this is not the case

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: people would say ohh well mythtv should be able to have access to /dev/raw1394 and work if it had read/write permissions

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mmead:

abarbaccia: here in a nutshell is the problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mead;#198701

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: hardly it has to be user mythtv group mythtv and match the user in order to work

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SlicerDicer-:

its a total pain in the ass

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abarbaccia:

SlicerDicer which is why i just chmod 777 my firewire port and say f-it

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: that does not work

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SlicerDicer-:

so I set special udev rules to make it do it on boot

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: you using firewire?

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abarbaccia:

i set it in bootmisc.sh

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abarbaccia:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah I set udev rules to make it the proper user/group

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abarbaccia:

i just run the chmod command from bootmisc – i know its wrong and dirty – but it was quick and painless too

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:SlicerDicer

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SlicerDicer-:

I run daisy chained boxes

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SlicerDicer-:

thats the basic draft of what I am going to overwrite firewire info with

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SlicerDicer-:

I will clean it up and change it

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abarbaccia:

"daisy chained boxes" --- set top boxes?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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abarbaccia:

very fancy

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: now I can't get test-mpeg2 working again – I swear it only works half the time when you use these modules

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SlicerDicer-:

hehehe

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abarbaccia:

so when myth goes to change channels how does it know which box its addressing?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: its a pain in the ass

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SlicerDicer-:

I will add the kernel information to my guide and other stuff

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: what kernel ver did you build?

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SlicerDicer-:

it will clear up problems

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SlicerDicer-:

vanilla-kernel 2.6.15

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mmead:

k

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mmead:

going to get 2.16.6 I suppose

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SlicerDicer-:

grab vanilla and build it yourself mmead

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mmead:

yes

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SlicerDicer-:

I will add some more info to my guide give me a moment

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abarbaccia:

u guys know anything about via chipsets and mythtv HD frontends?

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SlicerDicer-:

via chipset as in motherboard chipset?

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SlicerDicer-:

or the embedded?

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abarbaccia:

sorry – mb chipset

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abarbaccia:

specifically the sd 13000

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mmead:

abarbaccia: I am beginning to have my via chipset :)

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abarbaccia:

s/have/hate?

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: I actually run a via chipset computer in my kitchen on a 1.4ghz thunderbird with HD able

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jim_u:

mmead, aha! i have an idea ll of a sudden which will solve all of my problems :)

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mmead:

jim_u: yeah?

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mmead:

abarbaccia: yes, s/have/hate/

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mmead:

abarbaccia: I have more problems with bob deinterlacing on this via chipset motherboard with amd64 proc

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jim_u:

mmead, i don't know if its going to work but i'm going to (the whole problem is me wanting to use two of the samre motes) so i'm going to name the remote a different name in the second lircd.conf, and then have it go over tcp and see if it keeps that name so i can differentiate which reciever it came in over

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mmead:

abarbaccia: my athlon xp (32bit) was almost as fast

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abarbaccia:

SlicerDicer- im talking about the whole motherboard mini-itx setup by via – not an actual chipset

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mmead:

jim_u: hmm, that might work, but wouldn't you need to set an "id" on each remote?

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simcop2387:

does anyone know how i would get mythtv to recreate the 'recordedmarkup' table in mysql? the table no longer exists due corrupt from a power outage

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh abarbaccia nvm

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jim_u:

mmead, yea i'll fix up all them lircrc's ... worse than having to find a new remote

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abarbaccia:

so i want to create a diskless PXE ubuntu based mythtv frontend capable of doing HD playback

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SlicerDicer-:

abarbaccia: thats the embedded via :)

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abarbaccia:

oh

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abarbaccia:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

AFAIK anyway

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mmead:

kernel

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mmead:

download

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mmead:

heavy

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abarbaccia:

well, there new chipset has the mpeg2 / mpeg4 acceleration

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abarbaccia:

i wanna get my hands on one and test it out – connect to my backends, stream some HD, and see how quick the little suckers are

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mmead:

abarbaccia: linux drivers for the mpeg2 accel?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: so just make the raw1394, ieee1394, and ohci1394 modules kernel builtins?

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SlicerDicer-:

moment

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mmead:

hmm

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simcop2387:

i'll come back later then

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: updated the info on my howto

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mmead:

simcop2387: do you have an old dump/

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SlicerDicer-:

added kernel stuff

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simcop2387:

mmead: nope

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abarbaccia:

mmead: yep – and supposedly mpeg4 too

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mmead:

simcop2387: there is db schema somewhere you could manually load in with mysql

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: looking

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simcop2387:

only sql file i can find that got installed is mc.sql that just creates the database and grants privladges

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mmead:

simcop2387: what table again?

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simcop2387:

recordedmarkup

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mmead:

simcop2387: http://pastebin.ca/50324

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simcop2387:

thanks

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mmead:

yw

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simcop2387:

stupid mysql corrupting things when it didn't finish shutting down

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: menuconfig?

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simcop2387:

third time its happened to that table and i never keep the schema for it around

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah mmead

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mmead:

simcop2387: start backing up mythconverg with mysqldump --single-transaction mythconverg >backup.sql

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: I use menuconfig

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: hello

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xris:

evening

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: finished make oldconfig – doing menuconfig

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mmead:

xris: hi

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: so you set firewire support to non-module, but "Y" ?

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know what it looks like in the config

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SlicerDicer-:

I do menuconfig

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: have you seen what I am making?

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mmead:

Y = *

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mmead:

M = M

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mmead:

N = [ ]

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know if you took a look at it

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: then Y

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mmead:

:)

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mishehu:

bah.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I do not have an option for libiec61883 support in the menuconfig

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SlicerDicer-:

hmmm

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: no

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SlicerDicer-:

strange

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Zider:

hahaa, successful transfer of the system to a new drive :D

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xris:

brb, messing with firewall, will probably knock me off

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: ok

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SlicerDicer-:

once you get done I will show ya

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: you sure you have a vanilla kernel?

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SlicerDicer-:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 Apr 18 20:28 linux -> linux-2.6.15.1/

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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mmead:

hrm

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SlicerDicer-:

that is strange its not there

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe try the 2.6.15 kernel?

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mmead:

will look at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/l . . . 15.7.tar.bz2

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xris:

test

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xris:

cool, I'm still here.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I guess I can make it config from scratch instead of my oldconfig

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SlicerDicer-:

cool xris

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:SlicerDicer

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xris:

that was just me turning off my dsl

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: this is so weird it's not in there – I wonder if some other option has to be turned on first

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: its highly possible

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: can you pastebin your .config?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: errrm

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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mmead:

:)

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: you're not running a 1394 patch on top of the kernel are you?

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SlicerDicer:

nope

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SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/HqVnHG57.html

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SlicerDicer-:

there ya go mmead

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: if its a patch done then gentoo did it

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: thanks...

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mmead:

weird

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mmead:

they are:

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mmead:

CONFIG_IEEE1394_CMP

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mmead:

CONFIG_IEEE1394_AMDTP

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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mmead:

as I say

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mmead:

//ack

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mmead:

how do you get the kernel to generate a .config file that's fully populated without looking at your /boot/config-<kern ver> ?

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SlicerDicer-:

'cd /usr/src/linux' 'make menuconfig' 'make && make modules_install'

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SlicerDicer-:

thats how I do it

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Zider:

mmead: you mean from the running kernel?

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SlicerDicer-:

then I copy the bzImage to boot then manually edit /boot/grub/grub.conf

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SlicerDicer-:

its pretty simple

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mmead:

Zider: no, the running kernel doesn't have some variables that should be there, and when I do make config, it leaves them out

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mmead:

I just shoehorned those two variables in there... we'll see if it works

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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jonK:

evening

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mchou:

jonK: your system up and running yet? :)

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mmead:

and still the options aren't available

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jonK:

no, but mostly becuase of no time

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jonK:

hell, in the office now

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mchou:

jonK: hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

who here knows wiki

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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jonK:

need a time when (1) myth not recording anything (2) at home

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SlicerDicer-:

how would I add a entry to that?

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jonK:

to try to switch cards over

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jonK:

although I am having trouble compiling

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mchou:

jonK: bah, that's the wrong way to do it

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jonK:

and xfce fonts are awful — how do i make them better?

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jonK:

bah, I like compiling

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mchou:

jonK: no, that's not what I meant

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mmead:

doh, I lost my cookie and don't know my mythtv wiki password

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jonK:

except although I've been battling to understand some macro defined templates for the last couple days

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Glasswalkr:

Hey, I have a knoppmyth box, dual P3–1000 with 768MB Ram and a Voodoo3 card, with 2 PVR-150 cards for tuners. using TV out to my CRT... Had a couple questions. What could be causes of random "skips" or "pauses" in the video... they are very minor and about 3–5 minutes appart... (sometimes more sometimes less)

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mchou:

jonK: compile everything first, then transplant the cards over :)

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jonK:

that's what I want to do

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: would you be able to help explain how to do that?

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Glasswalkr:

Another question, what is the key on the remote (hauppage silver remote) to swap tuners while watching tv?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: maybe. didn't read through it too much

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: create a howto entry so its listed in the wiki

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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SlicerDicer-:

a entry for Configuring Firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

linked to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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jonK:

any thoughts fixing the fonts in xfce?

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mchou:

jonK: use MS fonts

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I think those options were removed between 2.6.15.1 and 2.6.15.7

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kazan:

grr

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kazan:

lagness

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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jonK:

i've installed the msttfonts package, but not being used

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe thats why its not working for you mmead?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: mebbe

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kazan:

wiki is lagging like hell

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: 2.6.15.7 has those options still ... I wonder why they were yanked in 2.6.16

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kazan:

should irxevent be killing DPMS or should myth be?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Its moved

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SlicerDicer-:

I am sure it needs to be cleaned further but hey

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dark_:

I am following the instructions on the mythtv site and I am using Debian and when i type 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' i get an error 'Build-Dependencys for mythtv couldn't be satisfied'

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: trying 2.6.15.7

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

[02:16:10]

mmead:

I'm trying to find a changelog that tells why they were removed

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kazan:

hmm

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dark_:

Anyone have any idea what might be te problem?

[02:17:00]

kazan:

how do i check to see if my mythtv has native lirc compiled?

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mmead:

dark_: you probably don't have a set of sources that can provide all the requirements

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WeezeyD:

how do I change channels via command line?

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kazan:

change channels _in_ mythtv?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: it looks like they were removed to allow for userland operation

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WeezeyD:

yeah

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kazan:

use the telnet interface

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WeezeyD:

mm telnet

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: ahh

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WeezeyD:

what port?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I guess I'll just try both

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: edited to reflect 2.6.16 changes of kernel :)

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mmead:

the Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt said they never worked anyway :)

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: fine then!

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mmead:

mythbackend is linked against libiec61883, libavc1394, and libraw1394

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jonK:

grrr: relocation R_X86_64_32S against 'a local symbol' ....

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: inspired me to add a dependencies list for firewire on the wiki hehe

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mmead:

cool

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radi0head:

Hi all.

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radi0head:

How's it goin'?

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radi0head:

./configure --prefix=/usr

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radi0head:

Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages.

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radi0head:

Trying to configure mythplugins.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: thanks again for all your help

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radi0head:

The weird thing is that is have kdevelop-3.3.2-i486–1 installed.

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: this will be sweet when I get it going – getting discoveryhd, espnhd, inhd1/2 tnthd without 5c

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dark_:

When I type the command 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' I get the error 'E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied.' But that should build the dependencys correct?

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Shock|AFK is now known as ShockValue

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ShockValue:

we are 2 mariners.. a ships soul survivors.. in this.. belly of a whale..

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mchou:

ShockValue: ...and my name is Ahab :)

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radi0head:

Any Slackware users here?

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ShockValue:

prolly not many (guessing)

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dark_:

Does no one have any suggestions?

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radi0head:

ShockValue; How can you guess that?

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ShockValue:

in general, most people dont build mythtv on slack.

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radi0head:

dark_; Try getting the deps manually.

[02:42:05]

radi0head:

ShockValue; Why not?

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ShockValue:

i dunno

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radi0head:

rofl

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dark_:

radi0head I have tried but there are so many dependencies ontop of dependencies

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ShockValue:

fedora, gentoo, knoppmyth.. the all seem popular

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radi0head:

ShockValue; Popularity doesn't make a distro better.

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cliffd:

but it makes for more packages ;)

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ShockValue:

im not arguing what's better. im saying that you probably wont find many slack users here.

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radi0head:

cliffd; I dopn't need packages I use slackbuilds.

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dark_:

Knoppmyth wouldn't work for me, it locked up after 'Autoconfiguring Harware' so now I am trying a manual install

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dark_:

Gentoo takes to long to insall

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cliffd:

im using gentoo. love Ebuilds

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ShockValue:

i think slack is a great distro.. there just dont seem to be many conversations about "how do i do Mythxxxxx on slack"

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radi0head:

cliffd; I can't stand getting deps automatically, I need to install the manually.

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radi0head:

MY choice.

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dark_:

radi0head: there are a lot of deps to install each manually

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jonK:

sweet — the amdx2 compiled mythtv in 16 minutes

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radi0head:

ShockValue; My question wasn't how to use mythtv on slack, I already use it and it runs perfectly, The question was Why It can't find the kdedev package while installing the mythplugins source.

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radi0head:

dark_; No, Slackware comes with most of em.

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ShockValue:

sorry, i came in and only saw the question "are there any slackware users here"

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dark_:

radi0head: Im talkin about my problem with Debian ;)

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radi0head:

dark_; Oh! hehe my bad. ;^)

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radi0head:

"Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages."

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dark_:

radi0head: No problem... I just can't seem to get myth to work with debian... I wonder if it's even possible

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radi0head:

dark_; Sure it is.

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radi0head:

Everything is possible.

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radi0head:

ShockValue; np :)

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radi0head:

I'm sure a ton of people tried to compile mythplugins and got this: "Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages."

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radi0head:

And I want them all! (plugins) :)

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dark_:

radi0head: well when I try to follow the directions nothing works :X

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radi0head:

dark_; I really can't help you, I get my deps by hand :(

[02:49:09]

radi0head:

And apt-get should get them, that's weird.

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dark_:

I type apt-get build-dep mythtv

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dark_:

That's the right command right?

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radi0head:

I don't know debian, let me rtfm.

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radi0head:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/c . . . ml#s-install

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radi0head:

apt-get install mythtv

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dark_:

Unmet Dependencies in

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dark_:

mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.19–0.6) but it is not going to be installed

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dark_:

and.....

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dark_:

Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.19–0.6) but it is not going to be installed

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Z-Morek:

anyone in here use mplayer for dvd playback?

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radi0head:

Z-Morek; Me.

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radi0head:

Z-Morek; WHat is the problem?

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Z-Morek:

I can't configure lircrc for mplayer easily

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Z-Morek:

I just want seek to function correctly but it's not smooth AT ALL

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radi0head:

Z-Morek; You mean mplayer running from mythtv?

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Z-Morek:

yeah

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radi0head:

Oh sorry, I run mplayer alsone.

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Z-Morek:

do you use lirc?

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radi0head:

no

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Z-Morek:

:-(

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kazan:

grr

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kazan:

disconnects = pain

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Z-Morek:

lemme try xine

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radi0head:

Anyone here built mythtvplugins from source?

[02:55:03]

kazan:

i just tried switching to internal lirc support (Which i'm pretty sure i compiled in) and it's not working

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan needs a better isp...

[02:55:08]

kazan:

nah

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kazan:

something is interfereing with my wireless tonight

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radi0head:

It's me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

darn neighbors with the 2.4ghz phones!

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kazan:

ahha

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kazan:

hold on

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AngryElf:

how come on the pchdtv website there is firmware and tools but no drivers, am i missing something?

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rtsai:

yes; you're missing the drivers :)

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rtsai:

in 2.6.13+, the pchdtv drivers are included in the kernel

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Z-Morek:

does anyone in here watch dvds on their mythrig

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Z-Morek:

on the disc

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Z-Morek:

and not rip them

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yes, once in a while.

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Z-Morek:

do you use lirc

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AngryElf:

rtsai, so i plug the card in and rmmod bttv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

z-morek: that was...

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J-e-f-f-A:

z-morek: Umm.. come to think of it, I don't remember if I tried it... It's been a month or so...

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Z-Morek:

that was.... inappropriate?

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: Yes, and?

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Z-Morek:

which player do you use?

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: All of them, from time to time, mostly Internal now, though occasionally xine.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ok, I don't know how it was inappropriate – I was answering your question -you hadn't asked about lirc yet.

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Z-Morek:

ripping... touchy subject

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cliffd:

Do you people use the on board sound card from your mobo for sound out put, or do you buy something else?

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Z-Morek:

well I'm currently using mplayer

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Z-Morek:

and I'm having trouble configuring it to seek forward

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Z-Morek:

it seeks for a bit

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Z-Morek:

and cuts back to playing

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Z-Morek:

I think lirc automatically just cuts the button press if it is held for a long period of time

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rtsai:

AngryElf: and insmod cx88-dvb

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Z-Morek:

I wonder if there's anyway to configure it to fastforward like medialibrary

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Z-Morek:

when I'm watching a recording...

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Z-Morek:

or is there a way to watch the disc internally

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Z-Morek:

thru myth instead of mplayer

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, there is, the internal player

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: Yeah, it doesn't send repeat up/down

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mmead:

cliffd: I currently use the on-board, but I have used a Griffin iMic in the past to get electrical isolation

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Z-Morek:

so under the settings for "dvd play command"

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Z-Morek:

what do I use for internal playback

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, Internal

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cliffd:

mmead: I assume you need a special cable to go from the 3.5 jack on the on board mobo to the component audio in on a tv?

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Z-Morek:

just "internal"

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, capital I, but aye

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mythabuser:

where do i change the directory to store recordings?

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AngryElf:

rtsai, the wiki says that i need to remove the v4l drivers for cx88 and cx88_blackbird....how do i do that?

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, also works with mythvideo

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mmead:

cliffd: just a standard 3.5mm stereo -> phono

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scottder:

anyone using USB attached storage on a MythBox

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Anduin:

Z-Morek: Internal isn't there entirely yet though, for mplayer I just map to seek +30 and seek -10 for ff/rw (like in myth).

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cliffd:

mmead: thanks.

[03:05:20]

mmead:

cliffd: yep

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kormoc:

Anduin, ooh? I didn't have any issues in my (very limited) testing

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kormoc:

Anduin, so what's not working?

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mythabuser:

is it in mythtvsetup or is it in mythfrontend?

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rtsai:

AngryElf: I think that's out of date. My system is running fine (HD-3000) with the cx88-blackbird module just doing nothing

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kormoc:

mythabuser, setup

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radi0head:

Okay, I got it, I need the 20 -devel packages of kde, lol, not kdevelop.

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cliffd:

given the choice for SD tv, should I get Svideo out or component out?

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rtsai:

AngryElf: but if you want to, you can just do rmmod cx88-blackbird and whatever else you want to remove

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Z-Morek:

mmmmmmmm internal just kinda crashed on me

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kormoc:

cliffd, component will give a better signal and can do hd for the future

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scottder:

I am thinking of expanding my MythTV box, and will probably get a USB2.0 card and an extrnale HD.

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, ooh? sucky :/

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AngryElf:

rtsai, are you using ivtv also, the wiki also mentions something about making sure ivtv gets loaded first...

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cliffd:

kormoc: thanks!

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scottder:

probably just for music and videos...not for recording to

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Z-Morek:

kormoc: can I kill mythtvfrontend from an ssh?

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Anduin:

kormoc: Seeking (not completely broken just icky occasionally), initial timestretch settings half work (sync is gone), few other minor issues (haven't had to to look in to any of them yet). Basically still not as usable as xine for me.

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, sure can

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mythabuser:

i can'f find it

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cliffd:

kormoc: kill -9 pid

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Z-Morek:

so I don't have to reboot while my hdd is frantically searching

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kormoc:

Anduin, fair nuff

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Z-Morek:

refresh me again on the pid?

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kormoc:

cliffd, killall mythfrontend works as well

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Anduin:

kormoc: Chapter skipping is fun too.

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mythabuser:

is there a better guide then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . tion_Backend ?

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, pid is the process id, killall mythfrontend will work for you :)

[03:08:36]

kormoc:

Anduin, ooh?

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cliffd:

yeah, thats a tricky command, I always forget about it.

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kormoc:

cliffd, I fell in love with it and tend to use it too often at times ;)

[03:09:08]

cliffd:

yeah I can see how that can happen

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cliffd:

pkill has gotten me in trouble on solaris many time.

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tgnb:

ugh :( i'm so lost its not even funny

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Anduin:

kormoc: Still worth using though (I'm a timestretch addict).

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kormoc:

Anduin, hehe, yeah, and it'll only get better

[03:10:28]

tgnb:

dvbscan atscscan QAM ATSC Cable channels.conf tuning encrypted azap.. mt head is spinning

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tgnb:

so many guides, so many forum posts but nothing clear enough for a moron like me to understand

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Z-Morek:

kormoc I just forgot how to find the pid

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, ps ax | grep mythfrontend will list the frontends

[03:11:22]

Z-Morek:

anyways, what's the command for mythvideo to play dvds

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tgnb:

i feel like i'm SOOO close .. yet so far away.. my myth is installed and working (i think) database works etc, my tuner card's drivers are installed and working

[03:12:15]

tgnb:

now only if i could figure out how to get the channels

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Z-Morek:

mythconfigure?

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tgnb:

alright.. well i'm not THAT stupid.. hehe

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Z-Morek:

:-P

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Z-Morek:

manuals?

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tgnb:

i've been reading manuals, posts, forums, guides etc.. but the vocabulary is still very confusing

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Z-Morek:

welcome to mythtv

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tgnb:

thanks :)

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tgnb:

happy to be here

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tgnb:

i guess

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Z-Morek:

try this http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#setupmythtv

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Z-Morek:

that's what I used

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, for a dbv card?

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Z-Morek:

and everything is working fine... except I never configured dvd playback

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mythabuser:

im not sure what the problem is, when i try to watch tv i get this: http://pastebin.ca/50334

[03:15:03]

cliffd:

is there a reason not to use low profile cards?

[03:15:05]

mythabuser:

any thoughts?

[03:15:08]

cliffd:

video mainly

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Z-Morek:

kormoc.... dbv?

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tgnb:

Z-Morek, i think comcast cable is my problem.. i just cant seem to tune any channels and i'm a bit confused about the different options i need to select..

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kormoc:

Z-Morek, sorry, dvb, he's using a card to get direct digital feeds from the air

[03:15:56]

Z-Morek:

ooooooooooh

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kormoc:

tgnb, ooh? what are you exactly tring to do?

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Z-Morek:

then I have no idea how to help there

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tgnb:

kormoc, i'm trying to find channels

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kormoc:

tgnb, what card?

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tgnb:

pchdtv3000

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kormoc:

so erm, isn't that a dvb card?

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tgnb:

yes

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kormoc:

tgnb, and how are you hooking it up to the cable?

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tgnb:

kormoc, not sure what you mean.. from the wall directly into the pchdtv3000

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kormoc:

tgnb, DVB cards tend to take input from a antenna or from a satalite dish and get that, not analog cable

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kormoc:

tgnb, comcast's digital cable is encrypted and you need to run it though a set top box to get the video. To get hd, you need a hd box.

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tgnb:

hmm i see

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tgnb:

i have one of those

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kormoc:

tgnb, but again, the DVB card won't really deal with that input

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kormoc:

unless I'm wrong

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** kormoc peers at the dvb gurus. **

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tgnb:

is that done with firewire?

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kormoc:

tgnb, HD tends to be, aye

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kormoc:

and I'd really recommend it, xris and SlicerDicer- both just set that up, and it's a wonderful picture

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tgnb:

hmm ok i'll read a little more into that

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mythabuser:

ok, when i go to the software recording profile screen, the screen is too long and the buttons are cut off at the bottom, how can i fix this?

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mythabuser:

is there a setting or something that keeps the bottom from cutting off?

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tgnb:

am a little confused

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tgnb:

i am reading this page: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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AngryElf:

is it just me or do the docs on the hd3000 card blow?

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tgnb:

there is a section about DVB cards.. which you said the pchdtv3000 is.. and below it a section called HDTV.. under which it lists the card i have

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tgnb:

in the HDTV section it also talks about dvb drivers for those cards, and that they can do QAM or ATSC or both

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tgnb:

atsc if i understand correctly is over the air HD content .. and QAM is unencrypted digital cable signal

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tgnb:

do i kind of understand that right?

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mmead:

tgnb: yes

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cliffd:

anyone have any case suggestions, Im looking at the silverstone LC04 ?

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kormoc:

tgnb, right

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ShockValue:

kormoc – so, last night i reverted to nvidia... and i still couldnt get X to start.. until that is, i tried it with my mythtv user.. and it started right up

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kormoc:

ooh?

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** kormoc blinks **

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ShockValue:

makes me think, maybe just X is messed up with root...

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kormoc:

well, you should never run X as root

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kormoc:

but it should work fine

[03:35:14]

ShockValue:

well, i was just doing startx to see if it would come up

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kormoc:

yeah, the reasons behind not running as root are purely security ones

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ShockValue:

i feel dumb for not trying to start it with my mythtv user last night

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ShockValue:

but now i gotta wait until the wife is done watching her shows to try again :)

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SlicerDicer-:

yay kormoc I just got my Oil Pressure Sender Switch replaced on my car

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe it wont leak oil now heh

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SlicerDicer-:

------------------------------------------------------ had to shove my hand in a opening that large to do it lol... and a 24mm socket to get it off.. fricken audi making crap impossible to change

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AngryElf:

SlicerDicer, you just setup firewire right?

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ShockValue:

im considering switching to comcast HD.. but im affraid it wont work :)

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: yep

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ShockValue:

i got my OTA HD working ok, but there's not many shows i watch on channel 5 and 9 :)

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire that should help if your planning on doing it

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: that looks like a nice case to me... Not 'pc' looking at all.. ;-)

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AngryElf:

ShockValue, what card are you using?

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AngryElf:

SlicerDicer, thanx, but i'm trying to get OTA working and i'm not making any headway on it at all :(

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: I agree reviews say its nice and quite. I think ill get that. time to stop with the gab and start with the buying

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ShockValue:

AngryElf hd3k

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – I use an HD3000 too, and I get 22 channels (including all the sub-channels)

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AngryElf:

ShockValue, i can't get anything working....i'm not even sure if the drivers are loaded up correctly, did you find a good how to on card?

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ShockValue:

i get about 12.. but only 2 worth watchin :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: The only think I'd like to see on it (that it apparently doesn't have) is an LCD or VFD...

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ShockValue:

AngryElf what distro?

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cliffd:

do you have a suggestion for a case that does?

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cliffd:

what VFD?

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cliffd:

thats a new one for me.

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AngryElf:

ubuntu

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cliffd:

what is VFD. I am no cave man

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ShockValue:

venerial farkin disease?

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cliffd:

ShockValue: thats no good. I dont need that in a case.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: It's Vaccume Flourescent Display... Like most car radios have... ;-)

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tgnb:

mmead, so then if i understand this correctly i should be able to get channels with the pchdtv card if i scan for quam channels..

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J-e-f-f-A:

(blue glowing letters/digits)

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AngryElf:

ShockValue, you? what docs did you use?

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ShockValue:

AngryElf – hmm, i just followed a couple howtos from Gentoo wiki

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mmead:

tgnb: if your cable provider doesn't encrypt them and uses a compatible QAM encoding, yes

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ShockValue:

AngryElf – but they might help anyway.. let me see if i can find them

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: ohh well I can tell you why its not working

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: you need a antenna *grin*

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kormoc:

tgnb, and comcast encrypts them

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SlicerDicer-:

or did you get one :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: Some of their other cases have them — check out http://www.silverstonetek.com/product-case.html

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tgnb:

kormoc, so since they encrypt them the only way for me to get them is through the hd settop box via the firewire card?

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cliffd:

oh thats what that ugly black bar is... this picture is much better. on newegg it just looks like funky

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AngryElf:

SlicerDicer, shhh :(

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tgnb:

in which case i dont really need the pchdtv card.. what about non HD channels

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ShockValue:

there's a hd3k section here that might help.. at least get you in the right dir maybe: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_TV_Input_for_MythTV

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, anyone here havin a problem with mythfilldatabase?.... HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

[03:45:08]

AngryElf:

stupid question: modprobe bttv gives me what device file?

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ShockValue:

FunkyELF – can you get anywhere else on the internet with that box?

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FunkyELF:

ShockValue, yeah....n/m

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FunkyELF:

I didn't think it had been that long

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FunkyELF:

but I guess I need to re-new

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mmead:

Firewire Works!

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: The LC11M looks pretty nice. A little pc-ish, but not too bad... ;-)

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AngryElf:

FunkyELF, are you sure your u/p are setup correctly in mythtv-setup?

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FunkyELF:

mmead, what cable box?

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mmead:

sa3250hd

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mmead:

jeez this has taken forever

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FunkyELF:

mmead, I have the same

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FunkyELF:

mmead, I haven't gotten anything to work. Are you using your mobo's firewire port?

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mmead:

FunkyELF: no

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kormoc:

tgnb, aye, or via the svideo out into a pvr 150 or similar card

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FunkyELF:

mmead, did you try your mobo's port and have problems?

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mmead:

FunkyELF: it doesn't have one

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FunkyELF:

mmead, oh, okay....what guide did you follow?

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tgnb:

kormoc, what about non-hd channels

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mmead:

what didn't I follow :)

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mmead:

FunkyELF: mostly this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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kormoc:

tgnb, nondigital channels you can get via a normal tuner (pvr 150 or similar card), or I beleive sometimes you can get them via firewire as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

clifd: I'm building a case very similar to the LC16M — but with fewer buttons and not quite as tall.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: ^^

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FunkyELF:

mmead, how do you get into your box's configuration?

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tgnb:

kormoc, and thats because the pchdtv card is specifically an HD card? it cant do non-hd stuff?

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: lol

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mmead:

FunkyELF: I just plugged it in

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: vv

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: cool it works

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FunkyELF:

mmead, I remember a way to go into the menu system and see if there is any hdcp protection on the channel

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes, very cool :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: I'm building a case very similar to the LC16M — but with fewer buttons and not quite as tall.

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: doh, sorry I didnt notice you were pointing up.

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cliffd:

you are building it?

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tgnb:

kormoc, so basically the pchdtv card is useless with comcast :)?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I left ethernet on, so it hosed my router/fw config – am rebuilding kernel again, but building them in did the trick

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: worked first shot

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** Beirdo farts **

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Beirdo:

ahhhh

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: so now I have two OTA HD tuners and firewire from comcast

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: Yeah, I hacked up an old case and am re-configuring the front panel. I've got a VFD to put in there, and am going to set it up almost exactly like the LC16M...

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ShockValue:

dude, point that somewhere else

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ShockValue:

mmead – you get any HD from the firewire?

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Beirdo:

I pointed it at Washington DC, good enough?

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mmead:

ShockValue: yes

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mmead:

wow, SD digital channels working properlyh too

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ShockValue:

mmead – sorry, i came in halfway through that..... motorola box or somethin else?

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mmead:

nice of them to not 5c them

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mmead:

ShockValue: sa3250ch

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FunkyELF:

are there any firewire hdcp crackers out there?

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: nice, very ambitious

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ShockValue:

wonder what WA comcast uses.

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mmead:

I'm not going to discuss it

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Beirdo:

FunkyELF, thou shalt not crack here

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Beirdo:

:)

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mishehu:

Beirdo: yer such a party pooper.

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FunkyELF:

Beirdo, sorry. I didn't ask for a crack, or a link to one...I was just asking if there were currently any cracks against it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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FunkyELF:

I have been reading up recently about hdmi and all this stuff because I'm lookin for a new TV

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mishehu:

liran_: are you around?

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FunkyELF:

I heard hdmi is pretty crappy with the new HD DVD players because of all the hdcp handshaking stuff it takes like a full minute to get to the first menu

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mmead:

let me turn on bob deinterlacing again and blow the whole thing

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mishehu:

FunkyELF: if that's the case, hurray for stupid ass drm routines.

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mmead:

crazy having 3 HD tuners

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FunkyELF:

that must be nice

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mmead:

I guess now I can grab all those shows that overlap

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mmead:

the air2pc gen1 appears to be a little bit susceptible to glitching while building kernels

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FunkyELF:

I really want to get my firewire capture working. But when it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I don't know if it is my setting it up wrong in linux, or my motherboard's firewire port, or even if any signal is coming over the firewire cable from the box at all

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mmead:

FunkyELF: can you use test-mpeg2 successfully?

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ShockValue:

wtf.. firefox keeps locking up on me

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mmead:

FunkyELF: until that works reliably and repeatedly, myth won't work

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mmead:

FunkyELF: and as I found out tonight, there is some magic in building the right set of ieee1394 stuff into the kernel

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FunkyELF:

mmead, when I use test-mpeg2 I get some stuff, but not all the time. and when I do run it, the file I get doesn't play

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mmead:

FunkyELF: instead of building it as modules

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mishehu:

FunkyELF: I only get the OTA and local access stations free and clear on the firewire.

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mmead:

FunkyELF: try OTA HD channels first

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mishehu:

fucking cumcast thieves.

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FunkyELF:

mmead, I don't have an OTA receiver

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mmead:

FunkyELF: use the plugctl settings on the mythtv wiiki FireWire page

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mmead:

FunkyELF: no, the "cable providers" repeated OTA channels

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mishehu:

I spent close to a week trying to figure it out only to find out that they won't give access to all subscribed channels because, heavens forbid, you might record it and it wouldn't be in their control!!!

[03:58:33]

mishehu:

OTA rebroadcasted by the cable company

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mmead:

mishehu: this will only get worse... the content producers will want more and more control over "their" content so it doesn't leak in digital purity on the net

[03:59:03]

mmead:

mishehu: eventually none of this will be worth it anymore, and we'll just read books, until RMS' vision about the right to read comes true

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FunkyELF:

I have heard stories of cable providers encrypting fox and abc and stuff like that, or others not encrypting HBO because none of them know what they're doing

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mishehu:

mmead: just wait until they start drm'ing books

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mishehu:

heh

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mmead:

mishehu: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

Do the HD3000 and AIR2PC co-exist nicely?

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mmead:

dunno

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mmead:

I have an air2pc gen1 and airstar hd5000

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mmead:

bob deinterlacing seems to still not work properly

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mmead:

some timing problem in myth I guess

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mishehu:

mmead: havent' read that yet, but basically nothing will ever change because most people believe anything they are told.

[04:03:19]

mmead:

mishehu: yes, it's sad

[04:03:24]

mmead:

mishehu: repeat it enough and it becomes true

[04:03:31]

mishehu:

and they'll believe that recording is stealilng.

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mmead:

well of course it is – you can skip the ads, and that's your payment for the content!

[04:03:50]

mmead:

sigh

[04:04:42]

mmead:

like I said, eventually it will all get locked away from DIY

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FunkyELF:

you heard about that new patent about having a signal on some commercials so that you can't fast forward past them on a dvr

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mmead:

and maybe the end ramification is some company's will turn around and realize the way they treat people that want to consume their content has driven them away

[04:05:16]

FunkyELF:

or paying a fee to fast forward. They say going to the bathroom during a commercial is stealing

[04:05:45]

mmead:

yep, lb deinterlace works fine

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FunkyELF:

mmead, I /msg'd you

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mmead:

hmm, ivtv is not changing channels

[04:06:18]

mmead:

I didn't get it

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mmead:

on here?

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FunkyELF:

yeah

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kormoc:

tgnb, yeah, it is, sorry to say :/

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mmead:

not getting any /msg from you

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FunkyELF:

hrm, I just sent a couple of messages

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mmead:

dunno what to tell you... my connection has been up and down a lot, maybe you're messaging someone else

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FunkyELF:

nah

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FunkyELF:

try msg'ing me

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mmead:

I already did

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mmead:

doh, fw just failed

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FunkyELF:

Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )

[04:08:54]

FunkyELF:

saw that in my server window....

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mmead:

oh wow, back to the old problems!

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mmead:

corrupted mpeg stream

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FunkyELF:

mmead, have you identified with nickserv?

[04:11:47]

kormoc:

FunkyELF, that's on your end...

[04:11:50]

mmead:

yes

[04:12:00]

mmead:

I can see your messages and have responded

[04:12:13]

kormoc:

mmead, id to nickserv

[04:12:15]

kormoc:

FunkyELF, sorry...

[04:12:22]

mmead:

kormoc: hmm, my client should have automatically

[04:12:28]

** kormoc finds it stupid of freenode to tell FunkyELF that mmead needs to id **

[04:12:34]

kormoc:

mmead, it didn't

[04:12:44]

mmead:

kormoc: must be with the fw up and down something happened

[04:13:04]

mmead:

am I id'd now?

[04:13:13]

Gumby:

any kernel people in here? My mythbox keeps locking up, and this time, it was just as a recording was ending and possibly at the time when it was going to commercial flag but I cant quite be sure of this. I happened to have a ssh session open to the box when it crashed and the info printed in the session can be seen at http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/files/kernel_crash.txt Anyone have any ideas?

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mmead:

I can't message you funkyelf

[04:15:09]

mmead:

what the heck

[04:15:19]

mmead:

oh well, my nick is registered and my client knows the password

[04:15:30]

FunkyELF:

did you do /msg nickserv identify <your_password> ?

[04:15:45]

mmead:

no, my client should do that on login, I guess it's busted now

[04:15:55]

Anduin:

do it manually already

[04:16:04]

mmead:

I don't know the password :)

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kormoc:

Gumby, from my casual look, it would appear that there's an issue with memory or the disk, If I was you, I'd run memtest overnight or so to see if the ram is okay

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mchou:

Gumby: I'd say get your memory checked out

[04:19:40]

mchou:

Gumby: I had similar symptoms, turned out my memory modules oxidized a bit

[04:20:28]

mchou:

Gumby: I used a rubber eraser on the contacts to remove the oxidation. Now works like a charm :)

[04:20:49]

mmead:

nickserv doesn't show up as online

[04:21:02]

** xris grumbles.. $140 for a friggin' frying pan. **

[04:21:05]

kormoc:

mmead, is for me

[04:21:07]

kormoc:

xris, ooh?

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Beirdo:

xris: you are nuts :)

[04:21:21]

xris:

kormoc: all-clad... supposed to be the best one.

[04:21:29]

xris:

Beirdo: I'm not buying it

[04:21:30]

kormoc:

xris, ahh! nice

[04:21:35]

Beirdo:

test it out on someone's head

[04:21:40]

xris:

was going to put it on my wishlist. thought it was $90, not $140

[04:21:40]

kormoc:

xris, I'm rather happy with my cast iron

[04:21:46]

Beirdo:

cast iron skillets are best for that :)

[04:21:52]

xris:

Beirdo: I have plenty for that. stainless with a copper core.

[04:21:53]

Beirdo:

CLANG!

[04:21:57]

xris:

or cast iron

[04:22:05]

mmead:

well, someone changed my password

[04:22:12]

xris:

not sure which weighs more. the copper stuff is pretty heavy

[04:22:13]

mmead:

I found it in my client settings and now it's not working

[04:22:14]

kormoc:

mmead, I did, muhahahaha!

[04:22:19]

mmead:

thanks alot

[04:22:25]

Beirdo:

heheh

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kormoc:

mmead, to get the password, you must answer these questions three...

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Beirdo:

just be sure to use a REAL blunt instrument... as we all know that's what frying pans are really for :)

[04:23:08]

kormoc:

Beirdo, the secret is in the sauce!

[04:23:15]

mmead:

I guess it's time to quit coming to freenode.

[04:23:29]

Beirdo:

jeez

[04:23:30]

kormoc:

mmead, guess you're not a monty python fan

[04:23:36]

Beirdo:

some people overreact much?

[04:23:47]

mmead:

people "warring" over nicknames is stupid and pointless

[04:23:55]

mmead:

it's why irc has such a poor rep everywhere

[04:24:02]

FunkyELF:

msg mmead hey, would you mind giving me your e-mail address. I come in here often and haven't found anybody with firewire working let alone with the same box that I have

[04:24:04]

mmead:

I figured if someone's decided to take mine, time to avoid it

[04:24:04]

xris:

mmead: warring over nicks?

[04:24:12]

kormoc:

Beirdo, if you've never seen Fried Green Tomatoes, you might want to pick it up, it has your use for fry pans in it

[04:24:20]

xris:

FunkyELF: which box?

[04:24:24]

mmead:

xris: yeah, huge amounts of bw are wasted because people get pissed over things on irc and start ddosing each other

[04:24:24]

kormoc:

mmead, huh?

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Beirdo:

I saw it a long time back

[04:24:33]

Gumby:

kormoc/mchou: thx for the info. I will check into the memory.

[04:24:40]

xris:

mmead: hard to do a D-DOS without a botnet.

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mmead:

xris: yep

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Gumby:

the only other two things I saw that meant anything to me there was in regards to ivtv and maybe swap

[04:25:02]

xris:

since if you do it yourself, you kill your own line, too.

[04:25:05]

kormoc:

mmead, but it's not limited to irc, online forums and everything else

[04:25:15]

mmead:

kormoc: well, it's started here – someone changed my nick password

[04:25:19]

kormoc:

Gumby, yeah, which is why I said it /might/ be the disk, but it's more likely the memory imho

[04:25:27]

kormoc:

mmead, you can just recover it, you know

[04:25:38]

kormoc:

mmead, (and I was just joking, if you didn't realize)

[04:25:41]

Gumby:

hrm, I had some DDR memory around here somewhere. I wonder where it went

[04:25:41]

Gumby:

hehe

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mmead:

kormoc: I figured you were joking

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Beirdo:

maybe you changed it one night when drunk

[04:26:17]

mmead:

kormoc: it still doesn't change the fact that my client was configured with the password, still knows it, and it's different according to nickserv

[04:26:24]

mmead:

Beirdo: hmm, ircing drunk? not since college

[04:26:30]

Beirdo:

or maybe you just had a password that was too easily guessed

[04:26:36]

mmead:

could be

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kormoc:

mmead, was your password password?

[04:26:44]

Beirdo:

or mmead? :)

[04:26:47]

mmead:

kormoc: no, it was 1234

[04:26:51]

mmead:

of course, who uses anything else

[04:26:52]

kormoc:

ooh, much better

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mmead:

nickserv tells me I cannot recover myself

[04:27:53]

kormoc:

doesn't freenode require an email?

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Beirdo:

-NickServ- Last Seen Address: n=mmead@pcp0010861862pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net

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mmead:

mmead: recover mmead

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mmead:

[12:27am] NickServ: You cannot RECOVER yourself.

[04:29:01]

mmead:

yeah

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kormoc:

mmead, ooh, freenode doesn't support it, sorry

[04:29:05]

Beirdo:

-NickServ- Registered: 32 weeks 6 days (8h 44m 33s) ago

[04:29:05]

Beirdo:

-NickServ- Last Seen: 32 weeks 6 days (8h 39m 41s) ago

[04:29:08]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[04:29:19]

Beirdo:

I think you just forgot your password

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mmead:

yeah, it looks that way huh

[04:29:56]

mmead:

lovely

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mmead:

now I can have a bot-net war with nickserv!

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Beirdo:

or you could ask a staffer (ever so nicely) to expire it as it's ancient, and then reregister

[04:30:36]

kormoc:

or you can use your botnet to brute your password!

[04:30:38]

Beirdo:

assuming they will

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kormoc:

they tend to after 3 to 6 months iirc

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Beirdo:

32 weeks is a Looong time

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kormoc:

esp with one shot like that

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kormoc:

registered and never came back on

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mmead:

yah

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FunkyELF:

ha....well, I'll just say in here what I was trying to privately message mmead

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AngryElf:

i just read a post concerning the hd3000 that is talking about myht 0.20...what is this?

[04:31:50]

Beirdo:

well, if lilo's awake you might be able to bend his ear a bit

[04:31:52]

xris:

mmead: didn't you register with an email address?

[04:32:02]

mmead:

xris: yes, I believe so

[04:32:04]

kormoc:

AngryElf, the future release of myth?

[04:32:09]

xris:

should be a way to recover the password, then

[04:32:15]

FunkyELF:

i put /msg mmead hey, would you mind giving me your e-mail address. I come in here often and haven't found anybody with firewire working let alone with the same box that I have. mine is funkyelf_at_cfl_dot_rr_dot_com

[04:32:22]

kormoc:

xris, I checked, freenode doesn't take an email address

[04:32:26]

xris:

ick

[04:32:40]

kormoc:

FunkyELF, there's a bunch of folk with firewire working in here

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xris:

kormoc: so I'm all done with dsl now....

[04:33:03]

mmead:

FunkyELF: I sent you a mail

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Beirdo:

kormoc, nickserv seems to

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kormoc:

xris, yay. faster downloads! :)

[04:33:17]

kormoc:

Beirdo, ooh?

[04:33:26]

Beirdo:

yeah

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kormoc:

-NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>

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xris:

kormoc: I've had that for days... just don't have the double-bill stuff that I had.. one week of overlap isn't that bad, though

[04:33:42]

Beirdo:

msg nickserv set email blah@blah.com

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xris:

esp. since my first three months of cable are half off

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kormoc:

"If you don't IDENTIFY

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kormoc:

to NickServ for a period of 60 days or more, your

[04:34:08]

kormoc:

nickname will be considered to be expired and it

[04:34:08]

kormoc:

may be dropped."

[04:34:12]

kormoc:

oops

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mmead:

*may* :)

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kormoc:

xris, nice

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kormoc:

mmead, yeah, if it's requested, as you can do

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** xris tries to remember what he was doing on the mythtv perl bindings **

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kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, but that's optional

[04:34:49]

AngryElf:

kormoc, well yea, but the post was talking about a problem relating to it implying they were using it now....is that cvs or something?

[04:34:51]

Beirdo:

yeah, so if you specifically ask, I'm sure it might get dropped for you with almost 33weeks idle

[04:35:15]

kormoc:

AngryElf, some people consider svn as the next version, aye, but it's not offically called that

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kormoc:

AngryElf, it's just people being stupid imho :)

[04:35:31]

mmead:

Beirdo: yeah, he appears to be going to do it

[04:36:01]

Beirdo:

cool

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dscoular:

Still holding my breath for 0.19-fixes to finally become 0.19.1.

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kormoc:

mmead, but but but... first, my three questions! What is your name? What is your quest? What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[04:37:27]

Beirdo:

don't go too blue on us

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mmead:

kormoc: egads! :)

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ShockValue:

african or european?

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Beirdo:

I dunno... Aaaaaaahhhh!

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kormoc:

I don't know. AUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!

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ShockValue:

kormoc – you ready to field some more dumb questions? :) Im gonna have another go at that ATI card when CSI is over :)

[04:41:17]

Beirdo:

you crazy dude

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kormoc:

heh, sure

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mmead:

brb

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kormoc:

ShockValue, tho, where abouts are you again? you're near me I thought

[04:41:46]

ShockValue:

bummertown

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kormoc:

is that the real name?

[04:42:21]

ShockValue:

bremerton

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kormoc:

heh

[04:42:54]

kormoc:

ooh wow, out west a bit

[04:43:10]

ShockValue:

yeah, cross the water

[04:43:23]

kormoc:

I figured with tukw in your host, you were near me, but that's a bit away

[04:43:36]

kormoc:

I'm in seatac

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ShockValue:

all roads lead to rome, all internet lines lead to tukwilla

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Beirdo:

how's the rain?

[04:43:53]

Beirdo:

hehe

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ShockValue:

i grew up in fed way... dash point.

[04:44:34]

kormoc:

heh, so how do you like the island living?

[04:44:51]

kormoc:

tho, I guess that's not really an island?

[04:45:13]

ShockValue:

no, its a penninsula... although Bainbridge island is what makes my OTA HDTV suck :(

[04:45:38]

ShockValue:

when i sink it, i'll be able to see the space needle :)

[04:45:58]

kormoc:

hehe

[04:46:49]

kormoc:

just save the cool birdshop before you do ;)

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ShockValue:

im thinking of switching to comcast hdtv.. but i'd want to confirm it works ok first

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kormoc:

ShockValue, both xris and SlicerDicer- switched to firewire for comcast hd and they seem rather happy

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xris:

ShockValue: works great

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ShockValue:

hrm

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xris:

I even get HD hbo

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ShockValue:

do you get other channels besides the re-broadcast OTA?

[04:48:29]

Beirdo:

comcast and "works great" in the same context...

[04:48:30]

xris:

yeah, everything except vh1...

[04:48:36]

Beirdo:

hell musta frozen over

[04:49:46]

ShockValue:

do you get all your channels through the firewire.. so like, no need for a PVR250 or something?

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mmead:

whee, nick registered

[04:50:49]

mmead:

let's see if I can forget this password by tomorrow

[04:51:07]

mmead:

AngryElf: did you get my email?

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kormoc:

mmead, just say it in the channel, and the bot will log it so you can always look it up! ;)

[04:51:28]

Beirdo:

heh, guarantee it will get changed if you do

[04:51:42]

mmead:

kormoc: good idea man

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Beirdo:

by some random arsehole, I'm sure

[04:51:58]

mmead:

yeah, like who :)

[04:52:00]

mmead:

heh

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** ShockValue must be an arsehole **

[04:52:16]

mmead:

hrm

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mmead:

ivtv-0.4.3 doesn't build msp3400

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ShockValue:

csi is over.. time to slap that 9700pro back in

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mmead:

ivtvdriver.org is still hosed

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mmead:

is there anywhere to get ivtv drivers except ivtvdriver.org ?

[05:02:01]

Gumby:

mmead: I can send you some

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Gumby:

hehe

[05:02:08]

AngryElf:

mmead, no where'd you send it?

[05:02:10]

mmead:

I found a deb mirror of 0.6.1

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AngryElf:

oh

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Gumby:

mmead: I can send you ivtv-0.6.1.tar.gz or ivtv-0.4.4.tar.gz

[05:02:33]

mmead:

AngryElf: oops, I think I confused you with funkyelf

[05:02:53]

mmead:

Gumby: let me try this deb mirror first... thank you, thouh!

[05:03:05]

Gumby:

mmead: ivtv doesnt create msp3400 in 4.4 either

[05:03:08]

Gumby:

IIRC

[05:03:13]

mmead:

weird

[05:03:14]

Gumby:

you just have to use the kernel module

[05:03:19]

mmead:

thought it didn't like to use the kernel one

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Gumby:

at least thats been my experience with it

[05:03:44]

Gumby:

I am by far no expert though :)

[05:04:49]

mmead:

Gumby: thanks

[05:05:05]

mmead:

looks like the debian mirror had it

[05:05:18]

Gumby:

cool

[05:05:33]

AngryElf:

what device am I suppose to be using for the HD3k?

[05:05:34]

mmead:

hopefully this kernel compile goes a little faster given I have ccached it

[05:06:32]

Gumby:

does anyone know where the video data is stored in the mysqldb? When I select the "Videos" Section in mythfrontend it just hangs and mysql cpu process goes through the roof

[05:08:20]

mmead:

| videobookmarks |

[05:08:20]

mmead:

| videocategory |

[05:08:20]

mmead:

| videocountry |

[05:08:20]

mmead:

| videogenre |

[05:08:20]

mmead:

| videometadata |

[05:08:22]

mmead:

| videometadatacountry |

[05:08:25]

mmead:

| videometadatagenre |

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mmead:

| videosource |

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mmead:

| videotypes |

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kormoc:

!trout mmead

[05:08:34]

** MythLogBot slaps mmead with a trout on behalf of kormoc... **

[05:08:49]

mmead:

heh

[05:08:59]

mmead:

I guess I need rxvt-unicode and its automatic pastebin plugin

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ShockValue:

woo hoo.. desktop with ati :)

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kormoc:

yay

[05:12:15]

ShockValue:

so it started in 800x600.. i changed it to 1920x1080 and it gave me [NO SIGNAL]

[05:12:27]

ShockValue:

gonna check the logs see what it says

[05:13:46]

mmead:

I gotta get this thing settled or I will miss the F1 race :)

[05:20:22]

ShockValue:

how do i know what my "dot clock freq" or "pixel clock" is?

[05:20:58]

kormoc:

driver might tell you, or it's in the cards specs somewhere

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ShockValue:

oh, its a function of the card? its asking me on this modeline generator program

[05:23:04]

kormoc:

ShockValue, yeah, it's hardware on the card

[05:23:10]

ShockValue:

pixclock max 110

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ShockValue:

i see that in Xorg.log

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kormoc:

you're not gonna be able to do 1080i with that clock

[05:23:49]

kormoc:

the nvidia was 135 mhz

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** ShockValue bangs his head on the desk **

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kormoc:

Sorry :/

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ShockValue:

the friggen thing is 2x the card

[05:24:28]

kormoc:

Yeah, but they went cheap on the dvi side evendently

[05:24:38]

kormoc:

I'm sure the vga is likely 350 or 400 mhz

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ShockValue:

pretty dumb considering its supposed to be a "high end card".. or at least.. it was back in the day :)

[05:26:05]

ShockValue:

off to poke it with a stick again to see if it will go

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kormoc:

ShockValue, 9700 or 9700 pro?

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ShockValue:

pro

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kormoc:

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9700/radeon9700pro/specs.html

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kormoc:

Dual integrated 10-bit per channel 400 MHz DACs

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kormoc:

something's screwed in the driver detect evendenty

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ShockValue:

according to this modeline gen, it only needs 77.59

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ShockValue:

am i doing this wrong?

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

how are you doing it?

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ShockValue:

http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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ShockValue:

Modeline "1920x1080@60i" 77.60 1920 1952 2240 2272 1080 1104 1110 1135 interlace

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kormoc:

I swear that was saying something totally different last night...

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kormoc:

the othernight I mean

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mmead:

I had real trouble with using that to arrive at a custom 800x600 @60hz for my PJ

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mmead:

it would always end up 60.1hz, or 59.89hz

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ShockValue:

mine is at 60.18 .. is that what is messing this up maybe?

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kormoc:

Yeah, it needs to be exactly 60 I beleive

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mmead:

when mine is not exactly 60hz, I get "bouncing" of the OSD text

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ShockValue:

so how did you force it to give you 60?

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mmead:

I left it to "detect" the modeline and set VertRefresh 60–60

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kormoc:

Honestly, I believe I put in the Hoizontal and vert sync rates you had in your xorg.

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mmead:

Identifier "infocus x1"

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mmead:

HorizSync 31.5 – 80.0

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mmead:

VertRefresh 60.0 – 60.0

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kormoc:

which should work fine

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mmead:

use the real horizsync of the device

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mmead:

limit the vert refresh to what you want

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mmead:

anyone know if the only answer to this is to reload all the cards, sources, and connections?

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mmead:

2006-04–21 01:40:24.525 TVRec(9) Error: Failed to set channel to 2.

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mmead:

2006-04–21 01:40:24.532 TVRec(9) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.

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AngryElf:

does anyone know where i can get atscscan?

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mmead:

...

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mmead:

and I'm back to invalid mpeg streams

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ShockValue:

weird

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kormoc:

anything?

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ShockValue:

i went up the resolution scale.. works fine 640x 800x 1024x.. but soon as i go to 1280x or higher i get [NO SIGNAL]

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kormoc:

:/

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ShockValue:

i have to think its the display maybe, because the logs show no errors.. just the display wont lock on

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ShockValue:

this is 1280x1024 log: http://pastebin.com/672733

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AngryElf:

hdtv blows

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AngryElf:

goodnight :(

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kormoc:

(WW) fglrx(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum

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kormoc:

that still bugs me

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kormoc:

night AngryElf

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kormoc:

ShockValue, look at lines 500 to 511

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ShockValue:

is that from the card, or the tv?

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kormoc:

card

[05:53:18]

kormoc:

for some reason your DRI is still not quite right

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ShockValue:

well we all know that's crap :)

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kormoc:

(see line #428)

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ShockValue:

oh, well tahts a cut+paste from th www

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ShockValue:

i can change it to see if things change

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kormoc:

Also see lines 716 to 720

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kormoc:

you need to get DRI working

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ShockValue:

i see

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ShockValue:

well, at least its a start

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kormoc:

toss up your xorg.conf?

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ShockValue:

changing that dri switch didnt get me a display, but it locked me on the blank screen this time

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ShockValue:

hooray for progress

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kormoc:

heh

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ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/672742

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ShockValue:

line 723 on...

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kormoc:

but 725 to 732 shows that it opened card0 correctly...

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ShockValue:

ya

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kormoc:

uhh, so erm... ati sucks... :P

[06:02:12]

ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/672744

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kormoc:

ShockValue, you should likely just remove lines 43 to 45, it should auto set them right

[06:03:14]

ShockValue:

kk

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** kormoc ponders **

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kormoc:

everything /should/ be working right tho...

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ShockValue:

ill go kick it one more time to try it

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ShockValue:

without those lines

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kormoc:

kk

[06:05:21]

ShockValue:

neg

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ShockValue:

hmmm.. hard locked me this time.. cant ssh in

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ShockValue:

ill reboot and see if the logs are dif

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ShockValue:

logs say DRI initialization was successfull

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ShockValue:

but it still maxes out at 1280x1024 <shrug>

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ShockValue:

ah well, screw it.. guess I'll just have to start selling off my extra crap so i can buy a new nvidia card

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ShockValue:

whoa

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ShockValue:

i got it to give me [Illegal Signal]

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kormoc:

ShockValue, well, I do have a 5200 that I can sell you cheap

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kormoc:

ooh! nice

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ShockValue:

ModeLine "1280x1024" 189.37 1280 1336 1616 1728 1024 1026 1038 1064

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Gumby:

Ive never used the cutlist feature in mythtv but I am wanting to cut and save a specific part of a recording. Is this easy to do or are there other tools available for this?

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ShockValue:

well, still no go.. im done

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ShockValue:

i better quit before i do something rash :)

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ShockValue:

sorry for all the work and no success Kormoc... I owe you a few beers :)

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kormoc:

ShockValue, no worries, just sorry that it's not working for ya :)

[06:25:31]

ShockValue:

do you think your 5200 will be plenty of horsepower for 1080i? or should I look for a notch or 2 higher? I dont want to screw around this time around :)

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: should take a look at what I wrote up

[06:26:21]

ShockValue:

does it include pictures of hot girls?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, honestly, it can, and has before, but I've been really lucky with the motherboard chipsets working in my favor.

[06:26:56]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

[06:26:57]

SlicerDicer-:

check it out

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kormoc:

ShockValue, so honestly, it might be better to get a 6200

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: my mx440 can display hdtv heh

[06:27:16]

ShockValue:

i have a few scsi drives and a raid controller and a couple motherboards I can sell off

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: although its shrinked to 1280x1024

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ShockValue:

my machine will do hdtv ok, but the card wont do more that 1365x768 out of the dvi

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ShockValue:

i want it at 1080i

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[06:28:14]

SlicerDicer-:

well anyway give a look to my guide that I wrote up

[06:28:17]

SlicerDicer-:

its quite helpful

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ShockValue:

i will, thanks Slicer

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: got his going with it

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ShockValue:

lol. i read that today :)

[06:29:04]

ShockValue:

so do you get all your TV through firewire that way, doing away with a pvr250 and hd3000 card?

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: yeah apparently some DCT6200's such as xris will work just fine

[06:29:19]

SlicerDicer-:

but then my 3 dont work right

[06:29:25]

SlicerDicer-:

so thats where my guide comes in handy

[06:29:32]

SlicerDicer-:

if yours does not just "werk" check that

[06:29:46]

SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: I got daisy chained boxes

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont use my pvr350 anymore I pulled it out

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SlicerDicer-:

all firewire

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ShockValue:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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ShockValue:

your top clock is fast...

[06:30:33]

ShockValue:

or slow

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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ShockValue:

7 or 1.. not sure wich :)

[06:30:43]

SlicerDicer-:

that is set by comcast

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SlicerDicer-:

not by me

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ShockValue:

where are you geographically?

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway ShockValue if you want to run more than 1 box my guide will tell you how

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SlicerDicer-:

near kormoc and xris :)

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ShockValue:

ah cool, so am I :)

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SlicerDicer-:

but in the mountains to the east about 30 miles hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

tukwilla?

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ShockValue:

You in N.Bend?

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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** ShockValue wins **

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ShockValue:

Im cross the water in bremerton

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SlicerDicer-:

bah how lame

[06:32:14]

SlicerDicer-:

water

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SlicerDicer-:

pfft

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SlicerDicer-:

always stopping progress ;-)

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ShockValue:

hrm.. wonder how much comcast with hdtv is

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kormoc:

$5 a month over digital cable

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: its not too terrible

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SlicerDicer-:

I have 4 boxes that do hdtv

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ShockValue:

my directtv is 46$ a month

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ShockValue:

which works dandy, but i have to have a monster antena to get HD

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: hehe well you would like the firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

want a sample video?

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ShockValue:

nah, im gonna go get drunk and put the nvidia card back in so my wife doenst kill me tomorrow :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

well its not hdtv sample

[06:34:59]

SlicerDicer-:

its just regular sdtv

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ShockValue:

i'll probably be picking your brain a bit later :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe it would be nuts to send HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean my recordings are 16gb for 2 hours on some

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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ShockValue:

nice

[06:35:44]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I love recording hdtv stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

its great to have it

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SlicerDicer-:

sunrise earth on DHD was awesome

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ShockValue:

specially when you can play it back on a 50" HD plasma :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[06:36:16]

SlicerDicer-:

I got 20 inch apple cinema display I watch it on

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SlicerDicer-:

screw you and your 50" plasma!

[06:36:27]

SlicerDicer-:

;-)

[06:36:39]

ShockValue:

my turn to show off – http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php . . . pagenumber=1

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ShockValue:

pics halfway down the thread

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:37:00]

SlicerDicer-:

toot your horn

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL!!!

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** ShockValue toots **

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ShockValue:

anyway.. night fellas.. thanks for all the advice

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SlicerDicer-:

cya ShockValue

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SlicerDicer-:

if you have any questions feel free to ask me

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ShockValue:

will do

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SlicerDicer-:

well kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

its offical

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SlicerDicer-:

64bit is fubar

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kormoc:

ooh?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: 64bit transcode avg 1 and 1/2 or greater first pass time

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SlicerDicer-:

hour

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SlicerDicer-:

1.5 hour

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SlicerDicer-:

vs 45mins or so with 32bit

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SlicerDicer-:

so the SSE and SSE2 must be not working or something

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

yeah, something's foobar

[07:06:22]

SlicerDicer-:

I figured something was fubar

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SlicerDicer-:

given that my 1.4ghz tbird was beating my AMD64

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Cardoe:

sup guys

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: just did some interesting tests

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SlicerDicer-:

that involved completely rebuilding a box to 32bit heh

[07:11:58]

SlicerDicer-:

proved AMD64 is borked with transcoding video

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Cardoe:

does not surprise me

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Cardoe:

all the x86 asm in there probably blows

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kormoc:

mornin

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: its quite frustrating

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SlicerDicer-:

I was hoping that 64bit would work better than 32bit for it but I was wrong

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it does on the Intel side ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

bite me kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

AMD FTW!!!

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SlicerDicer-:

actuall kormoc I am considering a conroe if they are all they are cracked up to be

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SlicerDicer-:

I got to see the final specs of AM2 but otherwise its conroe

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: is that shocking?

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SlicerDicer-:

are you on the floor passed out?

[07:31:10]

SlicerDicer-:

QUICK GET THE MEDIC!!! kormoc has passed out!!!

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

it's not shocking

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SlicerDicer-:

my ass its not I am a AMD fanboi

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kormoc:

I knew you'd be tempted by the power that in Intel soon enough!

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kormoc:

*is

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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kormoc:

You don't know the power of the fource!

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: the thing that makes me mad about current ones is the heat they put out

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** kormoc makes vador sounds **

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SlicerDicer-:

more like the power of the farce that intel is!!! ;-)

[07:32:42]

SlicerDicer-:

*cough* unless conroe rocks *cough*

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kormoc:

*cough* you know it *cough*

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

naw seriously I always maintained that if intel pulled a lead over AMD I would get a intel

[07:33:39]

SlicerDicer-:

I am not totally stubborn I just buy what I consider to be the best buy at the time and always power vs $$ is always AMD

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kormoc:

intel's just maintained the right performance for the price for me, I like their chips and the quality and the price, so I'm happy

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SlicerDicer-:

from what I have seen with AMD and AM2 is that its just the same speed as the current AMD64's but lower power consumption

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SlicerDicer-:

and I really dont care about power consumption

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kormoc:

AM2 is the socket F one, right?

[07:34:26]

SlicerDicer-:

I care about them not being as hot as a thunderbird and having speed

[07:34:35]

SlicerDicer-:

socket f is the 1206 pin opteron I think

[07:34:48]

kormoc:

hrm

[07:34:55]

kormoc:

AM2 is socket f as well I thought

[07:34:56]

SlicerDicer-:

or however many pins it is

[07:35:03]

SlicerDicer-:

AM2 is 240 pin

[07:35:10]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:35:11]

SlicerDicer-:

differnet pin layout than the current opteron of course

[07:35:15]

SlicerDicer-:

err 940 pin

[07:35:16]

kormoc:

that seems... odd

[07:35:17]

SlicerDicer-:

damn typos

[07:35:17]

kormoc:

kk

[07:35:52]

SlicerDicer-:

anyway yeah they are moving the consumer line to the same number of pins as the current opteron

[07:36:00]

SlicerDicer-:

and I dont get what 1 extra pin is really going to do but whatever

[07:36:06]

Cardoe:

Fixing up my PPC box

[07:36:07]

kormoc:

AMD is gonna do more then just lower power tho, they need to keep the 'lead'

[07:36:10]

Cardoe:

Added another HD to it

[07:36:18]

Cardoe:

created a fixed / of 20GB

[07:36:20]

Cardoe:

rather then on LVM

[07:36:22]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it's the turbo button pin!

[07:36:27]

kormoc:

Cardoe, cool

[07:36:38]

Cardoe:

kormoc: I need to fix up the ebuild still huh?

[07:36:39]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am hoping they will do 60nm and gain the 40% increase they say is possible

[07:36:44]

Cardoe:

and take a new snapshot

[07:36:59]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah, I need to figure out what || is in bash...

[07:37:01]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: thats what boosted intel right is going smaller nm

[07:37:08]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, partly

[07:37:21]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, entirely new designs is helping as well

[07:37:26]

SlicerDicer-:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

well kormoc also I hear AMD is having issues with the DDR2

[07:37:53]

SlicerDicer-:

so the pipeline is not as fast as it should be

[07:37:58]

kormoc:

ooh?

[07:38:01]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah

[07:38:06]

SlicerDicer-:

it was in a article the other day

[07:38:14]

Gumby:

ddr2 isnt all its chalked up to be for current cpu's and chipsets

[07:38:15]

SlicerDicer-:

the bandwith being used by that DDR2 was pathetic

[07:38:29]

SlicerDicer-:

it was barely scratching what AMD can do with ddr400 IIRC

[07:38:43]

kormoc:

Gumby, it's slightly faster then ddr 400 currently, and will scale faster, which is the point

[07:38:50]

SlicerDicer-:

I would get you the article but my mouse just died

[07:38:52]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[07:38:55]

SlicerDicer-:

stupid wireless

[07:38:57]

Gumby:

kormoc: notice the word "current :)

[07:39:05]

kormoc:

meh, I should go to sleep

[07:39:19]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: DDR2 800 is what AMD wants to use

[07:39:19]

kormoc:

Gumby, heh, fair nuff :)

[07:39:20]

SlicerDicer-:

with AM2

[07:39:43]

SlicerDicer-:

aint that like double the speed of ddr 400?

[07:39:47]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, no

[07:39:55]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, well, yes and no

[07:39:57]

SlicerDicer-:

color me stupid

[07:39:59]

kormoc:

but in reality, no

[07:40:12]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I mean I understand how it works to a degree

[07:40:21]

SlicerDicer-:

what the hell is it that is holding it back

[07:40:23]

SlicerDicer-:

argh I cant think

[07:40:24]

kormoc:

ddr2 trades latency for higher speeds, so it takes longer to start data going, but it goes faster, so it's a tradeoff

[07:40:45]

kormoc:

ddr2 667 is just slightly faster in day to day stuff then ddr 400 is

[07:40:45]

SlicerDicer-:

but anyway most CPU's cannot even come close to handling the speed of DDR800 much less DDR2667

[07:41:00]

Gumby:

once ddr2 is more mature and latency drops it will be a good thing. until then its really not much point

[07:41:04]

kormoc:

ddr2 800 should be a good bit faster, but not twice.

[07:41:11]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: thats why AMD held off right?

[07:41:36]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, sure they can. AMD's intigrated memory controler gives them the bandwidth to handle those speeds, that's the entire point of it

[07:41:49]

Gumby:

SlicerDicer: I havnt read much into if, but it could be. They knew their roadmap and it didnt make sense to go to ddr2 at the time

[07:42:01]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[07:42:07]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, amd held off due to it's not much of a boost in performance and it's costy for their customers

[07:42:13]

SlicerDicer-:

is conroe going to be doing that with memory controller?

[07:42:23]

kormoc:

how many people would buy amd64 if they also needed to buy new ram. Less people for sure

[07:42:36]

SlicerDicer-:

I already have the ram kormoc

[07:42:37]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[07:42:39]

SlicerDicer-:

and 2gb of it

[07:42:40]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, no, intel has no plans to intigrate a memory controler right now

[07:43:01]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, sure, and if you had to get 2 gigs of ddr2 to use that 64?

[07:43:14]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: buddy purchased the wrong ram

[07:43:14]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[07:43:16]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, ddr and ddr2 are not compatable

[07:43:18]

SlicerDicer-:

SCORE!!

[07:43:30]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, sure, but if that was a ddr2 cpu, you couldn't use the ram

[07:43:32]

SlicerDicer-:

he did not want the hassle of returning it

[07:43:36]

kormoc:

well, ddr2 mobo

[07:43:40]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh I cant use the ram right now no

[07:43:46]

SlicerDicer-:

its still unopened in the box

[07:43:52]

SlicerDicer-:

but I will :)

[07:43:57]

kormoc:

ooh, you got 2 gigs of ddr2 eh?

[07:44:00]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah

[07:44:06]

SlicerDicer-:

setting on my desk

[07:44:11]

kormoc:

meh, but it's a price thing for normal people

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SlicerDicer-:

buddy purchased it and it was wrong

[07:44:41]

SlicerDicer-:

so I scored it

[07:44:44]

kormoc:

it was a extra $175 or so on my box to upgrade to ddr2 from ddr

[07:44:59]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah thats how much these were

[07:45:05]

** SlicerDicer- looks at undented wallet ;-) **

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SlicerDicer-:

the only thing that bothers me

[07:45:29]

SlicerDicer-:

is the ram is ddr667

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SlicerDicer-:

:/

[07:45:40]

kormoc:

why does that bother you?

[07:45:55]

SlicerDicer-:

cause AM2 will use ddr2800

[07:45:57]

kormoc:

that's going to be standard for awhile

[07:45:59]

** kormoc sighs **

[07:46:01]

kormoc:

likely not

[07:46:09]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[07:46:12]

kormoc:

they'll likely support ddr2 800, but not be the only speed

[07:46:20]

SlicerDicer-:

even if it did it would work right?

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean I can shove ddr 333 in a ddr400 and it goes

[07:46:32]

kormoc:

mine supports ddr2 800 and 667 and 1066 (iirc)

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kormoc:

sure, it just will be slower, in theory

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SlicerDicer-:

right

[07:46:43]

kormoc:

depends on how amd does it

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SlicerDicer-:

or I can shove ddr400 in a ddr333 mobo and it goes

[07:46:54]

SlicerDicer-:

just downclocks it or whatever

[07:47:19]

kormoc:

Welp, to bed I go!

[07:47:21]

kormoc:

night all

[07:47:25]

SlicerDicer-:

gnite kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

malex: lag?

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SlicerDicer-:

as in lag from livetv?

[07:50:27]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm no idea I dont have that one

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SlicerDicer-:

sorry

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Juski:

morning all

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laga:

morning Juski

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SL:

hi! can anyone help me with linux and dvb-T?

[08:51:26]

johnp_:

question to the floor, has anyone noticed dvb-t seeking being hosed on the fixes branch ?

[08:51:58]

SL:

I'd like to build a DVR that uses a dvb-t signal. Are there cards that are supported under linux?

[08:54:09]

SL:

I found a list of supported cards in the linuxtv.org wiki, but there is no information which of these work with German dvb-T and are available in Germany. Anyone from Germany here?

[08:55:36]

laga:

SL: umm, try #mythtv-de

[08:55:51]

SL:

laga: Thanks, didn't know that one. Sound logical :-).

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laga:

SL: ;)

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SL:

i'll try on mythtv-de. Bye!

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Merlin83b:

Morning folks.

[09:12:58]

stuarta:

morning Merlin83b

[09:14:40]

Merlin83b:

Hiya – I had an idea for a temporary fix to the EIT making stuff stutter problem (for me)

[09:15:00]

Merlin83b:

Where would be a good place to start – where the packet is first recognised as an EIT packet.

[09:15:15]

stuarta:

first what's the idea?

[09:16:10]

Merlin83b:

It's not a solution by a long stretch, but limit the scanning to happen at a time when I'm not trying to watch things – overnight, basically.

[09:16:21]

Merlin83b:

It's a bodge that'll work for me but not worth submitting or anything.

[09:16:47]

stuarta:

actually it's worth persuing as a proper patch

[09:16:55]

Merlin83b:

So a quick if using time will do the trick, and best place is probably as soon as something's recognised as EIT.

[09:17:04]

Merlin83b:

You think? Sounds like a horrible bodge to me!

[09:17:37]

Merlin83b:

If it could be tied into some detection of what the backend's up to, and only do scanning when it's not doing anything else, then it might be worth taking further...

[09:17:44]

stuarta:

that's to low a place to start. this needs to be at a higher level.

[09:18:35]

Merlin83b:

Happy to take advice, but I thought that to avoid as much (now unnessecary) processing as possible, getting the "block" in there early would be good.

[09:19:10]

stuarta:

look at eitscanner.[cpp|h] StartActiveScan starts the scanner when the backend is idle

[09:19:26]

stuarta:

StartPassiveScan is used when a program is recording.

[09:19:51]

Merlin83b:

How is the idleness of the backend determined?

[09:19:58]

stuarta:

Merlin83b -> #mythtv

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Juski:

I thought EIT data was being cached now – and far less hungry for CPU

[09:29:27]

Merlin83b:

The cache is, erm, ineffective ;-)

[09:29:39]

Merlin83b:

I'll nag stuarta until he fixes it, though :-)

[09:30:17]

stuarta:

Juski: it's being cached, only problem is cache gets dumped each time it looks at a new channel

[09:35:15]

Juski:

ouch

[09:35:57]

stuarta:

yeah. have a solution in mind. fixing scanning first though

[09:39:11]

Juski:

reckon when all this is fixed it'll stay that way? ;-)

[09:39:30]

johnp_:

good grief no ;)

[09:41:28]

Juski:

lol

[09:43:23]

stuarta:

johnp_: that's being optimistic :-)

[09:48:26]

Juski:

who keeps breaking everything? own up & be dealt with :-P

[09:49:02]

** stuarta points at ivor **

[09:50:42]

liran_:

oh guys i fixed the program guide problem

[09:50:59]

liran_:

if anyone is interested the problem was that the channels weren't linked to the video source i created.

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ivor:

stuarta: hmmm, eh what's happened?

[11:06:00]

stuarta:

oh Juski was just wonder who was breaking things :-)

[11:06:06]

ivor:

bah

[11:06:29]

ivor:

so is the eit cache being cleared every channel change now? that doesn't sound great.

[11:06:32]

stuarta:

in general, with code changes. Know it's not you... :)

[11:06:46]

stuarta:

always has been

[11:07:25]

ivor:

yeah? am I thinking of a different cache then?

[11:07:43]

stuarta:

no, it used to just hit the DB to check for dupes

[11:07:55]

stuarta:

now it hits the cache for dups first

[11:08:41]

stuarta:

but cache and scanner are currently tied to card and get reset when going to a new channel

[11:09:10]

stuarta:

some things need moving around to fix it.

[11:12:47]

ivor:

is anyone doing that at the moment?

[11:13:09]

stuarta:

me. though it's after fixing scanning at the moment

[11:14:02]

stuarta:

if you want to help out let me know on #mythtv

[11:14:23]

ivor:

sure.

[11:14:25]

ivor:

oh my!

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stuarta:

ahh toon friday

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fred_basset:

i though bob was a builder

[11:18:23]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Different Bob :-)

[11:18:31]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

This one's from Dilbert.

[11:18:57]

RaYmAn-Bx:

You know, you really get addicted to having your mythtv box recording things :/ I just got a new case for it, and I can't seem to find an available timeslot to make the switch =P

[11:19:26]

Garfield:

:) you need a hot swappable reduntant myth configuration.

[11:19:38]

Garfield:

redundant

[11:19:44]

gbee:

that's too true ... I actually go searching for things to record when I've got an available timeslot

[11:19:48]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Heh, I need to reinstall onto a much larger hard disk, RaYmAn-Bx. It's been sitting in the box for ages – had one go at copying everything across as per a linux howto but that failed, and one go at installing from scratch but didn't get so far withthat.

[11:19:49]

fred_basset:

i know the feeling. taken me nearly 3 weeks to find a testing slot for my scanning rework

[11:20:18]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Juski has two boxes. I could do that I suppose, I do have an Epia lying around.

[11:20:23]

gbee:

stuff I wouldn't normally watch, just something to keep it occupied :)

[11:20:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

[11:20:54]

fred_basset:

i've still got 7 days worth of movies to get through :)

[11:21:22]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Unbeknownst to me, it's grabbed all but one episode (on next week) of Life on Mars after missing it first time around. Go Myth!

[11:24:43]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Oh, not quite :-( Missing a couple of eps

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Juski:

note to self: don't use a desktop PC's spare HDD power connector to power small development boards up using loose wires :-P

[11:26:43]

pjn:

boom, smoke, broke?

[11:26:53]

Juski:

nah

[11:26:58]

fred_basset:

boring

[11:27:02]

Juski:

shutdown, PSU needed unplugged

[11:27:04]

Garfield:

Juski: sure. just don't use the one that's actually powering the machine... that'd be really dumb.

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[11:27:38]

Roger_the_alien:

cartoony Friday again?

[11:28:15]

fred_basset:

yep

[11:28:40]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Where's yours from?

[11:28:45]

Roger_the_alien:

I see the 'HD-DVD' has already outsold Blu-Ray tosh has started already :-/

[11:28:53]

Roger_the_alien:

American Dad

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gbee:

Juski: aye, unfortunately

[11:29:48]

Roger_the_alien:

funniest thing I've ever seen on British TV.. a camp 'gray' saying "oh yeah I remember him – he was a real 'C U next Tuesday'

[11:30:28]

Roger_the_alien:

my Betamax is better than your Betamax :-P

[11:32:28]

Roger_the_alien:

anyone see that guy's posting on a forum, asking how he could turn a DirectTV PVR into a PC? oh how I guffawed

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eiggirC:

My wife has managed to put some files onto the myth box via samba, and they show up very weird in ls

[11:37:54]

eiggirC:

?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Mrs_Doubtfire.mpg

[11:37:59]

eiggirC:

has anyone seen that?

[11:38:09]

eiggirC:

I can't touch them using any linux util

[11:38:25]

eiggirC:

they're huge files – from 3.6 Gb to about 4.5 Gbn

[11:38:30]

fred_basset:

embedded horseshit characters.... fun to get rid of :)

[11:38:31]

eiggirC:

but the partition is xfs so thats okay

[11:38:45]

eiggirC:

fred_basset: so why does windows see them fine, via samba?

[11:38:59]

eiggirC:

file reports this

[11:39:00]

eiggirC:

Mrs_Doubtfire.mpg: ERROR: cannot open `Mrs_Doubtfire.mpg' (Input/output error)

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fred_basset:

probably encoded with funky characters

[11:39:04]

Roger_the_alien:

delete them over the network the same way they were copied across

[11:39:16]

Garfield:

or rename them

[11:39:22]

Roger_the_alien:

then rename them with a proper naming convention – none of the Windows bullshit

[11:39:28]

eiggirC:

so why are there no permissions, no owner, no date and no file size ?

[11:39:49]

Roger_the_alien:

er.. you just said they had huge 3.5GB+ file sizes

[11:39:51]

fred_basset:

when was the last time you ran fsck?

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Garfield:

because your samba umask isn't set correctly or something?

[11:40:05]

eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: when viewed from windows, yes

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eiggirC:

Garfield: there are no permisisons... it says ?--------

[11:40:30]

eiggirC:

thats not something generated from a umask setting

[11:40:30]

Garfield:

exactly.

[11:40:31]

Roger_the_alien:

dump Windows & get Linux on the box. That ought to fix it

[11:40:36]

Garfield:

:)

[11:40:36]

eiggirC:

fred_basset: this morning

[11:40:45]

eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: the server is a linux box

[11:40:52]

Roger_the_alien:

course it is

[11:40:59]

Roger_the_alien:

just make the other box a linux one too

[11:41:02]

Roger_the_alien:

problem solved

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eiggirC:

the server itself can't see the files

[11:41:23]

eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: unhelpful advice :)

[11:41:28]

Roger_the_alien:

do sudo rm -rf /*

[11:41:37]

Roger_the_alien:

then copy the files again

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fred_basset:

!trout Roger_the_alien

[11:41:43]

** MythLogBot slaps Roger_the_alien with a trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

[11:42:01]

Roger_the_alien:

oh come on – I mean it's not rocket science

[11:42:20]

eiggirC:

oh

[11:42:24]

eiggirC:

shit I'm stupid

[11:42:29]

Garfield:

eiggirC: ls -ln

[11:42:36]

eiggirC:

the files were fine the whole time

[11:42:47]

Roger_the_alien:

and?

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fred_basset:

!trout eiggirC

[11:42:47]

** MythLogBot slaps eiggirC with a trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

[11:42:56]

Garfield:

you'll never be able to show your face again. :)

[11:42:56]

eiggirC:

I've mounted the drive via nfs version 2 to my linux box

[11:43:10]

eiggirC:

-rwxrw-rw- 1 1008 1008 4897109952 Apr 17 14:15 Mrs_Doubtfire.mpg

[11:43:19]

eiggirC:

works fine when sshed to the server directly

[11:43:21]

Garfield:

perfect.

[11:43:25]

Garfield:

:)

[11:43:31]

eiggirC:

so, you were all as wrong as me

[11:43:33]

eiggirC:

:-P

[11:43:40]

Roger_the_alien:

it was either that or the FS has a taste filter

[11:43:50]

eiggirC:

interesting how we all assumed the fault was with windows, or samba

[11:43:54]

fred_basset:

ah NFSv2 doesn't like > 2G files IIRC

[11:43:56]

eiggirC:

but it was NFS that was wrong

[11:44:48]

Roger_the_alien:

I'm gonna stay away from the forum today – I was in a good mood til I looked at the new posts

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fred_basset:

you neglected to mention NFS before!!!

[11:44:49]

Garfield:

eiggirC: no we assumed youd somehow got a file whose meta data you were unable to read on linux.

[11:45:05]

Garfield:

we all just had the wrong reason

[11:45:44]

Garfield:

anyway mystery solved.

[11:45:59]

eiggirC:

fred_basset: I only just noticed I had the wrong machine name in my prompt

[11:46:09]

eiggirC:

I should use colour coded shell prompts

[11:46:24]

eiggirC:

Garfield: aye – thanks to all for everything :)

[11:46:30]

Garfield:

anyway Mrs Doubtfire sucks.

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** fred_basset goes back to sleep by the fire **

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eiggirC:

Garfield: agree – tell that to my 2 year old though

[11:46:43]

Garfield:

tootsie is a much better take on the theme

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Garfield:

true

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eiggirC:

Garfield: Spykids 2, shrek 1, mary poppins and Lizzie McGuire are his fave movies.

[11:47:11]

Roger_the_alien:

dustin hoffman >>>> robin williams

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: "ELAINEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!"

[11:47:43]

Roger_the_alien:

how could a 2 year old even 'get' Mrs Doubtfire?

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: at that age, its purely the tone of voice

[11:48:09]

Roger_the_alien:

I suppose so

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Garfield:

and the slapstick nature of the acting.

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eiggirC:

oh – and facial expressions

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Roger_the_alien:

at least it's all human voices too – not like the uber scary Tellytitties

[11:48:51]

Garfield:

actually thought of a better one.

[11:48:57]

Garfield:

Victor Victoria

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Roger_the_alien:

just don't let the TV be the babysitter

[11:49:06]

Garfield:

that tops tootsie

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: yeah – one hour a day max... same as my parents did for me

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Roger_the_alien:

eiggirC: cool... if only more people did the same. I read about a new plasma TV oner suing to get his money back when he burned his set by leaving kids tv channels on all day long

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Garfield:

lame

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Roger_the_alien:

I didn't know which was worse – screenburn or the parent's bad approach to parenting

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: whats funny is my boy doesn;t like ads... cos most everything he watches has no ads anymore

[11:50:57]

Roger_the_alien:

heheh

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Garfield:

eiggirC: hehe yeah

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eiggirC:

massive attention span for the age

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Garfield:

mine find them really confusing and surprising

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eiggirC:

I wonder if advert breaks encourage short attention spans

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Roger_the_alien:

it'll be the same in my house too – when we have kids I mean... and no TV of their own either. they used to talk about kids suckling at the big glass teat a few years ago but it's ridiculous now

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: yeah – but politely, your perspective shifts a little once the screaming monsters are here.

[11:53:23]

Roger_the_alien:

eiggirC: I know. I have all these grand plans to be a strict (good) parent, but...

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scudette:

Roger_the_alien: 20 minutes of peace while they are watching the wiggles is truely priceless

[11:53:54]

eiggirC:

scudette: aye

[11:53:57]

Garfield:

aye

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Roger_the_alien:

yeh but 20 minutes isn't all day long is it? I know of parents who just leave their kids to watch TV all day

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eiggirC:

HAH

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Garfield:

otherwise there's no time for coding. :(

[11:54:17]

eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: you have a point.

[11:54:30]

Roger_the_alien:

funny thing is – they get no peace at all. quite ironic, isn't it?

[11:54:39]

scudette:

yeah – my kid gets bored after about 30 minutes

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eiggirC:

speaking of peace – its midnight here and time sleep.... dishes and housework done and mythfrontend is working again now.

[11:55:07]

eiggirC:

g'nguiht all

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bomba:

So, with 750GB HDs on the way, MythWeb REALLY needs to be reworked. I have 766 recorded programs now and it takes ages for the Recorded Programs tab to come up.

[11:55:17]

Garfield:

bomba: go for it.

[11:55:23]

bomba:

:)

[11:55:33]

** Roger_the_alien is looking fwd to bomba's new code already **

[11:55:38]

bomba:

hehe

[11:55:49]

Roger_the_alien:

who says 750GB disks are on the way anyhow?

[11:56:07]

bomba:

I'll look into it, I have investigated before but couldn't find where the SQL queries existed

[11:56:09]

scudette:

Roger_the_alien: i have a 700gb lvm already

[11:56:12]

Roger_the_alien:

I know it's a given but has anyone even announced one?

[11:56:12]

bomba:

Roger_the_alien: read your slashdot

[11:56:14]

Garfield:

Roger_the_alien: the register

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eiggirC:

Roger_the_alien: was on the web today

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Garfield:

cool++

[11:57:08]

Roger_the_alien:

muhahahaha

[11:57:22]

Roger_the_alien:

guess who'll be getting 4 of them to validate soon, then :-P

[11:57:35]

** Garfield mutters **

[11:57:35]

Roger_the_alien:

come to daddy!

[11:58:32]

** Roger_the_alien goes to talk to the company buyers **

[11:58:51]

bomba:

my quest to record every Modern Marvels and Good Eats episodes can continue unabated!

[12:01:18]

pjn:

mmm, fiancee using my computer doing assignment, all I've got to do is drink beer and keep her company

[12:01:28]

pjn:

sounds easy enough

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Garfield:

pjn: you need more computers.

[12:02:22]

pjn:

oh, I"m not bothering to use my laptop or the three in the spare room

[12:02:31]

pjn:

hers works, and I can ssh to my linux box from it

[12:02:48]

pjn:

I feel that I don't need more computers

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** Garfield wonders what the problem is then. **

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pjn:

it isn't *my* computer

[12:04:34]

pjn:

with two screens and all the goodies

[12:04:51]

Garfield:

ah well in that case....

[12:04:52]

pjn:

damn autocad and all the dual screen goodness she uses it with

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Garfield:

pjn: you need more computers^h^h^h^h^h goodies.

[12:05:43]

pjn:

what I need is more desk space in the main computer room

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pjn:

we share a 2.4m long desk

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Garfield:

snug

[12:06:13]

pjn:

it is 1000 deep, but still...

[12:06:23]

Garfield:

bah, what the hell. drink the beer.

[12:06:39]

pjn:

(only got about 20 beers left, yay for the 30 pack)

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Garfield:

classy

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fred_basset:

nothing is a problem when you still have 20 beers left, except maybe a party...

[12:13:08]

pjn:

and next weekend I've got permission to go camping and fishing with the boys

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pjn:

what could possibly go wrong

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Roger_the_alien:

got 4 750GB Seagates on the way – as soon as I can have em

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Roger_the_alien:

rep guy asked how we knew about them (duh)

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pjn:

they would cost a bit

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Roger_the_alien:

not to us

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Roger_the_alien:

gotta love the FOC ;-)

[12:41:32]

pjn:

Fucked Over Country?

[12:41:38]

Roger_the_alien:

free of charge

[12:41:53]

pjn:

that'd be nice

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Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Can I have two?

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fred_basset:

i'd be happy with one!

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pjn:

I won't be greedy, I'd like just one

[12:42:20]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

I'll "validate" it for you.

[12:42:23]

Roger_the_alien:

nah. someone here has their beady eye on all 4 of them when they're done being validated

[12:42:30]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Is it you?

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Roger_the_alien:

lol

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fred_basset:

word association now: bear woods does?

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Bob_the_Dinosaur:

in the

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Bob_the_Dinosaur:

:-P

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Roger_the_alien:

I dunno though I'll only end up recording loads more stuff than I can ever watch

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pjn:

fred_basset: shit?

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pjn:

I'll be blunt

[12:45:21]

fred_basset:

think that about covers it...

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Roger_the_alien:

pity this company doesn't use TV tuner cards

[12:46:47]

Roger_the_alien:

but rumour has it one of our new products is going to have a detachable serial IR sensor

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pjn:

not a detachable penis?

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pjn:

I heard a song about them once

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Roger_the_alien:

they're all detachable – ask Mr John Wayne Bobbit

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fred_basset:

i love that song

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Roger_the_alien:

eric twinge is in the building :-)

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bananaman:

I feel garfield's just too mainstream.

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bananaman:

and certainly too american

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Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Heh

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Beirdo:

OMG, the US is uninventive

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bananaman:

a blob with flippers. genius.

[13:17:56]

Beirdo:

there are towns/villages in Minnesota called: Virginia... and West Virginia

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Beirdo:

hey dumbasses, those are already states!

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dtm:

the...."US"?!

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bananaman:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

yes, dtm

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dtm:

Beirdo: i suppose you're the uninventive one, if you think that the naming of two towns is an inherently nationalistic traits

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Beirdo:

and there are several towns/cities in the us named Quebec and Ontario

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bananaman:

and of course all the other names they came up with are just warmed up european names.

[13:19:10]

dtm:

or actually any number of towns

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Beirdo:

of course

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Beirdo:

but naming a town after a state of your own country is just silly

[13:20:28]

Beirdo:

and after a province of your neighbor ain't all that much better

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bananaman:

and they all have those crazy accents too.

[13:21:09]

Beirdo:

I know people who were flying home to Toronto from LAX, and had their baggage sent to the Ontario airport

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Beirdo:

(just outside LA)

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bananaman:

lol

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Beirdo:

I guess the handlers say "Toronto, Ontario" and went "Ohhh, that means Orange County"

[13:21:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

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** the_new_schmoo wonders how people who used to work at LA airport must feel, being ex-LAX **

[13:22:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[13:22:19]

Beirdo:

probably pretty shitty

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bananaman:

drol

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bananaman:

s/l/ll/

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bananaman:

hehe well I wasted half an hour reading these: http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php

[13:24:18]

Beirdo:

wooohoo

[13:24:34]

Beirdo:

my HDTV card has arrived in Hodgkins, IL

[13:24:39]

Beirdo:

(on a UPS truck)

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Beirdo:

most of the way here now

[13:26:03]

Beirdo:

took a while for UPS to update between Seattle and Chicago area though

[13:26:16]

Beirdo:

it was in a truck and never got checkpointed the whole way

[13:27:05]

Beirdo:

now it just needs to do Chicago -> Toronto before I move in just over a week

[13:28:28]

Beirdo:

well, I guess I best get to work for my short day

[13:28:30]

Beirdo:

heh

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bananaman:

bored.

[13:29:00]

Beirdo:

taking a UHaul up to my dad's today, gotta sleep on the floor after today :(

[13:29:05]

Beirdo:

and I'll have no TV

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Beirdo:

sigh

[13:29:37]

Beirdo:

which means I might as well pack the computers when I get back :)

[13:30:00]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Moving is a pita

[13:30:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, it is

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Beirdo:

and then I get to decide how I want to ship my computers to PR

[13:30:25]

mmead:

Beirdo: is the -dev list an appropriate place to talk about a suspected thread timing issue?

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Beirdo:

possibly, not sure

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dargeer:

anyone with an amd x2 finding it slower then a x86_64?

[13:30:53]

Beirdo:

I haven't read my mailing lists in a while

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mmead:

Beirdo: ah

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Beirdo:

that reminds me, need to divert my mail to my linode before shutting off the computers

[13:31:41]

Beirdo:

the IP is definitely gonna be different :)

[13:31:58]

Beirdo:

well, off to work I go

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Beirdo:

ciao

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fred_basset:

mmead: or #mythtv

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mmead:

fred_basset: oh yeah, forgot about there :)

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mmead:

fred_basset: are there times when it is easier to get a response in #mythtv?

[13:43:53]

fred_basset:

yeah, only uk ppl there now, most active starting in about 3 hours or so.

[13:44:42]

fred_basset:

correction, mainly european ppl there now.

[13:46:39]

fred_basset:

but most people there read the logs when they wake up, so you can ask questions and hang around

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mmead:

fred_basset: cool

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mmead:

fred_basset: thx

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Tobbe:

Hi guys. I'm running mythv .18 now but want to upgrade to .19. I wanted to take the opertunity to format my computer and install everything from scratch before installing .19. Could I do that but still keep my recordings and cutlists? I tried transcoding the shows but couldn't get that to work

[14:30:57]

mmead:

Tobbe: is there a reason you want to go to .19?

[14:31:12]

Tobbe:

to try to get transcoding to work

[14:31:27]

mmead:

Tobbe: hmm, .19 has been almost entirely a letdown from .18.1 for me

[14:31:38]

mmead:

Tobbe: however...

[14:31:44]

Tobbe:

how so?

[14:31:46]

mmead:

Tobbe: it is pretty easy to "backup" and restore your myth setup

[14:31:53]

mmead:

Tobbe: massively higher cpu use for playing back video

[14:32:01]

mmead:

Tobbe: glitching

[14:32:19]

mmead:

Tobbe: all manner of troubles with mythfilldatabase causing the mythbackend to lose its mysql connection and forcing restarts

[14:32:25]

mmead:

Tobbe: however, transcoding seems nicer :)

[14:32:36]

mmead:

Tobbe: but I have >300G video storage, so I don't transcode anyway

[14:32:50]

mmead:

Tobbe: but if you want to do it, it's pretty easy to backup, restore, and move to .19

[14:32:59]

mmead:

Tobbe: you need to backup both the files and the database

[14:33:04]

mmead:

Tobbe: the files you can probably handle on your own

[14:33:26]

Tobbe:

yes :)

[14:33:27]

mmead:

Tobbe: the database is easiest to back up by using mysqldump --single-transaction mythconverg >mythconverg.`date`.sql

[14:34:04]

mmead:

then just reload it prior to running the .19 backend the first time: mysql mythconverg <mythconverg.date.sql

[14:34:15]

mmead:

Tobbe: when you first run .19 backend, it will then upgrade the schema

[14:34:24]

Tobbe:

cool

[14:34:35]

mmead:

Tobbe: you should also keep around ~/.mythtv

[14:34:43]

mmead:

Tobbe: and obviously, your video directory :)

[14:35:26]

mmead:

Tobbe: I've simplified the mysql steps, but you should be able to do it given that there is lots of info on the net on how to dump and restore mysql databases.

[14:36:03]

Tobbe:

I'm also hoping that the live tv playback stuttering will go away when I upgrade to .19, but if you say cpu load are higer I'm not so sure :/

[14:36:51]

mmead:

I don't know the technical reasons why livetv playback is so much harder on the machine than setting a program to record and viewing it out of the library, but it definitely behaves much differently.

[14:37:00]

mmead:

.18.1 was the height of functionality and stability for my myth system

[14:37:06]

mmead:

I have high hopes for .2 :)

[14:37:56]

Tobbe:

I have an AMD64 3400+ so I thought it should be able to handle pretty much anything, but obviously I was wrong :(

[14:38:27]

mmead:

Tobbe: I have an amd64 3000+, and as of last night, I couldn't get cpu under 30% to play SD content via livetv

[14:38:37]

mmead:

Tobbe: my athlon xp k7 @1733mhz did better

[14:39:02]

mmead:

Tobbe: there are a lot of factors in cpu usage... I have not found a tried and true setting, but it seems in .19 bob deinterlacing is causing huge issues

[14:39:06]

Tobbe:

I've read about ppl running mythtv on p3 800mHz. I don't get it :(

[14:39:12]

mmead:

Tobbe: I get much lower cpu use with linear blend

[14:39:37]

mmead:

Tobbe: also, the nvidia driver 8178 is broken, and if you use OpenGL VSync for timing, it will stutter

[14:39:52]

mmead:

Tobbe: I have also had differing results by booting with "noapic"

[14:40:29]

Tobbe:

I have't really played around all that much. .18.1 is my first myth install :)

[14:40:41]

mmead:

I have considered setting up a chroot x86 environment and building 32 bit binaries to see if it is better

[14:41:44]

Tobbe:

what distro are you running?

[14:42:20]

mmead:

Tobbe: debian x86_64

[14:42:43]

mmead:

Tobbe: kernel 2.6.16.9 at the moment, though I have been trying 2.6.13.1, 2.6.16.1, 2.6.15.7 :)

[14:42:47]

Tobbe:

k, Ubuntu here

[14:42:54]

mmead:

Tobbe: pretty similar

[14:43:25]

Tobbe:

I know

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cliffd:

Does anyone know about this iMon remote that silverstone includes with some of there cases?

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Yalla-One:

There's a lot of talk about backend hardware needs, but is there any data available on what CPU and memory is needed to get the MythTV-*FRONTENT* to run, without any TV-cards or similar?

[15:00:19]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Enough to decode a stream of whatever type you're supplying. That's pretty much it.

[15:00:37]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: mythtv.org has that bit about how much and how fast a few given cpu's can encode and decode things. is that what you are looking for?

[15:01:31]

Yalla-One:

cliffd, The problem with the documents at mythtv.org is that they are all centered around what is needed to _ENCODE_ things – I am looking for the minimum for a pure frontend box that does no encoding (my old server in the storage room will take care of that and run the backend)

[15:01:59]

cliffd:

is your video card going to have an mpeg decoder?

[15:02:05]

Yalla-One:

Bob_the_Dinosaur, cliffd : So when building a new, as silent as possible PC/Set-Top-Box for MythTV *FRONT ONLY* – I am curious as to how much I need...

[15:02:31]

Yalla-One:

cliffd, Hopefully, if I can find one with good Linux support

[15:02:35]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Anything that'll decode whatever stream you chuck at it.

[15:02:39]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

GeForces have them.

[15:02:39]

cliffd:

ive been reading and hearing in this channel that if you have an mpeg decoder on your video card you can get away with like 800mhz p3

[15:02:44]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Via Epia Ms have them.

[15:02:44]

laga:

Yalla-One: we can UNDERSTAND you even when you're NOT using CAPS to EMPHASIZE on THINGS

[15:02:52]

cliffd:

fx5200 is fanless and has good linux support and an mpeg decoder

[15:03:37]

Yalla-One:

cliffd, Cool – that's what I wanted to hear. so with the fx5200 I should be able to make do with an Pentium-M

[15:03:53]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

Easily.

[15:04:02]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

It doesn't have to do anything.

[15:04:04]

laga:

a pentium-m should work fine for most things ('cept hdtv)

[15:04:06]

Bob_the_Dinosaur:

(really)

[15:04:08]

cliffd:

well, im in the middle of researching and buying parts of a pvr and the fx5200 is what ive decided on

[15:04:29]

cliffd:

it seems to be the fanless video card of choice

[15:04:32]

Zider:

I got my gf2mx today.. but can't get tv-out to go above 640x480 tho :/

[15:04:39]

** laga plays SDTV on a p3–450 with a geforce 4 mx and XvMC, so requirements for playback when using XvMc can be quite low) **

[15:04:50]

laga:

Zider: the gf2mx is crap for that purpose

[15:05:01]

Yalla-One:

cliffd, will research that card – thanks

[15:05:04]

Zider:

laga: other gf2mx can do more than that

[15:05:18]

Yalla-One:

laga: Thanks for the input – and good to hear you can understand basic stuff – I am most happy for you ;)

[15:05:23]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20030304335345.html

[15:05:56]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: this card comes in fanless and fan, and svideo or component out

[15:06:33]

Zider:

laga: I can do fine with 640x480 tho, at least I have xvideo now.. it's just a bit sad that this particular card had a crappy tv-encoder

[15:06:46]

Yalla-One:

I have also received recommendations for this one: http://no.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1

[15:07:01]

laga:

Yalla-One: ;)

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Yalla-One:

Thanks for valuable input guys – much appreciated. Once I've got it all working I'll make sure to send someone in the documentation team a write up of how it works as a pure frontend. For my backend I don't care about noise – it'll be in my storage room anyway :)

[15:08:48]

bananaman:

its a wiki. you don't "send the team" you just do it.

[15:08:54]

laga:

Yalla-One: put it in the wiki, that'd be the best bet

[15:09:12]

Yalla-One:

laga, bananaman ok.

[15:09:55]

Yalla-One:

laga: You say the fx5200 on a Pentium-M probably won't do HDTV – any recommendations as to what probably will ?

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[15:11:34]

laga:

Yalla-One: umm, well. fast cpu & fast vga card. but it's possible it'll work just fine. i don't use HDTV, i'm sorry. but the mailing list archives should give some insight

[15:11:37]

bananaman:

I think he meant a pentiumM would be capable of doing most stuff itself... except for hdtv

[15:12:22]

laga:

uh, yeah

[15:12:38]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: you need like 2.8ghz at least for hdtv

[15:12:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yalla-One: I have a GF5500 on a PIII 1Ghz. Using XVMC it is barely able to play 1080i, and does have an occasional stutter.

[15:12:52]

** bananaman is proud to have done hdtv at 1Ghz passively cooled. :) **

[15:13:17]

bananaman:

just need some hdtv channels. :D

[15:13:39]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/ this guy is all about htdv setup on linux

[15:13:50]

Yalla-One:

J-e-f-f-A, Is the lag caused by CPU or GF5500 constraints?

[15:14:32]

Yalla-One:

Thanks cliffd

[15:14:41]

mchou:

Yalla-One: most likely CPU

[15:14:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yalla-one: It's the CPU... it's running right on the edge of 100% with 1080i, and when it hits 100%, the audio stutters for a split second, but the video doesn't skip a beat. Also, the OSD causes major stuttering...

[15:15:26]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: i told you about disabling osd fadeout, realtime priority and so on?

[15:15:27]

mchou:

gf5500 should be sufficient even for HDTV if paired with a CPU ~3.2 ghz

[15:15:58]

Yalla-One:

So to conclude, if I am able to find a video-card that has hardware MPEG2 and MPEG4 decoding, I can compromize on CPU, but with minimum of 3GHz CPU...

[15:16:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

laga: I disabled the fade, and that helps.

[15:16:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

laga: I thought I was already running realtime priority, but I'll have to check again.

[15:16:20]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: cool. is that a dedicated frontend box, or FE/BE combined?

[15:16:22]

mchou:

Yalla-One: more headroom is better :)

[15:16:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

laga: dedicated frontend.

[15:16:39]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, it shows up in the frontend logs (RT priority)

[15:17:13]

Yalla-One:

mchou, Uhm – headroom?

[15:17:20]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: ah. i had much better playback when i was streaming my recordings over nfs isntead of using the native mythtv protocol, FYI. (didn't we have that talk already?)

[15:17:30]

mchou:

Yalla-One: cpu headroom

[15:17:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yalla-One: I don't know if the video cards have mpeg4 decoding yet...

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cliffd:

laga: what FS are you using for your nfs share?

[15:17:51]

Yalla-One:

mchou, Ahh – ofcourse :)

[15:17:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

laga: Maybe... But wouldn't I lose the commercial-skip feature then?

[15:18:10]

laga:

cliffd: umm, xfs.

[15:18:26]

cliffd:

laga: how big is your FS?

[15:18:27]

bananaman:

J-e-f-f-A: certainly no drivers have support.

[15:18:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: I'm using jfs

[15:18:35]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: no. it'd be like the frontend locally accessing the recording in a combined FE/BE environment

[15:18:43]

mchou:

what's a decent street price for a retail 3200+ these days?

[15:18:47]

laga:

cliffd: depends. :) ~100gb, prolly

[15:19:01]

cliffd:

cliffd: looks like I have to reformat my partition :(

[15:19:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: mine is 760GB ;-)

[15:19:49]

Tobbe:

how big is the ringbuffer supposed to get?

[15:19:55]

cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: so you have no problems with that large of an FS i have a 825gb raid.

[15:20:01]

laga:

Tobbe: what ringbuffer?

[15:20:09]

Yalla-One:

So – when nVidia GeForce 6600 has PureVideo (http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo.html) which claims both H.264 and MPEG2 hardware acceleration, and they list Linux support for the 6600 in their latest drivers, I should be safe that this hardware acceleration for MPEG2/H264 is also supported in Linux, and not just some dumb compatibility mode?

[15:20:18]

Tobbe:

laga: the one you get when watching live tv

[15:20:28]

laga:

Yalla-One: no, only mpeg2 is support IIRC

[15:20:35]

cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: I also read that JFS is the best for file deletion and I would assume you do a lot of that with pvr

[15:20:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: Nope — jfs is perfect for it...

[15:20:43]

laga:

Tobbe: you're still running 0.18, right? that's a setting somewhere...

[15:20:54]

cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: cool thanks.

[15:20:57]

Ruis:

hey guys. i have a kind of off topic question, but it's regarding my mythbox. I got a usb sound card (I ran out of pci slots) and it's working fine. audio comes out and everything. I just can't adjust the volume or mute it (from linux OR mythtv). Any ideas?

[15:21:12]

Yalla-One:

laga, So the Windows driver supports H264, but Linux only MPEG2 ? And I thought nVidia were renowned for their fantastic Linux support :P

[15:21:16]

laga:

Ruis: alsamixer -c1?

[15:21:25]

Tobbe:

laga: yes, I am, and now it's 3GB, sounds a bit much to me...

[15:21:32]

laga:

Yalla-One: if they had fantastic linux support, there were good open source drivers.

[15:21:39]

Yalla-One:

laga: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html

[15:21:40]

Ruis:

laga, i'll try that.

[15:22:20]

Yalla-One:

laga: Yes, but for commercial reasons I do understand their stand of protecting their IP by not giving out all standards – At least I see the dilemma – and they're miles ahead of ATI...

[15:22:40]

bananaman:

its a retarded attitude

[15:22:43]

laga:

Yalla-One: not in linux, i'm afraid

[15:22:58]

laga:

Yalla-One: sure, i can understand it as well. but their drivers could be even better.

[15:23:11]

cliffd:

Yalla-One: I just read that nVidia and ATI dont release anything because the both infringe on each others patents big time. so its kind of wink wink nudge nudge.

[15:23:12]

laga:

bananaman: no, please no, not a flamewar!

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** laga blinks **

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bananaman:

cliffd: lol

[15:23:32]

Yalla-One:

agreed

[15:23:33]

laga:

"wink wink nudge nudge"?

[15:23:50]

cliffd:

laga: if you look the other way I will too.

[15:24:31]

bananaman:

have to have a flame war about something else then.

[15:24:42]

bananaman:

despite the ip argument being lame.

[15:24:44]

bananaman:

:)

[15:24:47]

cliffd:

laga: does that make sense ?

[15:24:54]

laga:

cliffd: oh yeah. :)

[15:24:57]

laga:

thanks

[15:25:01]

cliffd:

np

[15:25:16]

laga:

uhm.

[15:25:21]

laga:

bananaman: your $EDITOR sucks.

[15:25:45]

cliffd:

here is the article http://wiki.ffii.org/Smirl041025En

[15:25:51]

bananaman:

laga: ?

[15:25:53]

cliffd:

NO VI is the WAY!

[15:25:59]

cliffd:

flame on!

[15:26:01]

bananaman:

sigh

[15:26:11]

bananaman:

nah no good. I use both.

[15:26:21]

laga:

bananaman: both? vi and vim?

[15:26:24]

bananaman:

heheh

[15:26:31]

cliffd:

I love the RMS comment about VI VI VI being the mark of the devil.

[15:26:32]

bananaman:

notepad AND write

[15:26:46]

bananaman:

cliffd: he has his amusing moments.

[15:26:58]

cliffd:

thats a good way of putting it

[15:27:09]

Yalla-One:

Thanks much for constructive input to everyone – much appreciated – I'll go for the nVidia GeForce 6600 super-silent and use it's MPEG2 support until they update the linux driver for H264 (at least it's in the hardware)

[15:27:17]

cliffd:

I emailed him asking how I was supposed to use my wireless card and I didnt get a reply.

[15:27:26]

bananaman:

cliffd: ahahahaaaaaa cool.

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laga:

in my first days of using linux, i fired up emacs because i'd heard good things about it. i got helluva scared and went back to nano

[15:27:50]

** bananaman covers his editors ears. **

[15:27:55]

bananaman:

ignore the nasty man.

[15:27:55]

cliffd:

nano is built on emacs right?

[15:28:13]

laga:

cliffd: probably, with with --disable-scariness

[15:28:37]

laga:

s/with/but/

[15:28:41]

cliffd:

yeah, the fact that it tells you ^X to exit is a good feature.

[15:28:49]

laga:

yep.

[15:29:03]

bananaman:

^x^c I think you'll find.

[15:29:18]

cliffd:

extending emacs is great for sys admin tasks I find.

[15:31:30]

Yalla-One:

Question: Does MythTV use first generation of Video Overlay?

[15:31:46]

bananaman:

what's first generation of video overlay?

[15:32:18]

pjn:

win 3

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Yalla-One:

bananaman, According to the Linux HTPC Howto, the nVidia GeForce 6xxx and 7xxx do not support the first generation of video overlay

[15:34:05]

Yalla-One:

bananaman, http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/video.html

[15:35:33]

the_new_schmoo:

nvidia support h.264 in hardware? I doubt that somehow. maybe they get it to help with some of the motion compensation but I doubt it does it all

[15:35:55]

laga:

the_new_schmoo: they're probably using some fancy shader stuff to do that.

[15:35:57]

bananaman:

the_new_schmoo: they're rather cagey about the details of what they're doing or do support.

[15:36:04]

Yalla-One:

the_new_schmoo, According to nvidia they support it in hardware, but supposedly only on Windows...

[15:36:09]

Yalla-One:

not well documented though

[15:36:27]

laga:

Yalla-One: you might wanna refer to the nvidia driver manual for linux.

[15:36:28]

bananaman:

Yalla-One: I have no idea what they're referring to in that howto. they've dumbed the statement down to the point it contains no useful information.

[15:36:40]

laga:

and yes, mythtv uses video overlay, but it also works without it. search the ML :)

[15:36:43]

the_new_schmoo:

is anything closed source ever documented? they could get away with doing it in software

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laga:

the_new_schmoo: what's wrong with having a h.264 decoder implemented with their shader stuff?

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Yalla-One:

manual gives noe real information (or – the readme gives no real information)

[15:37:35]

laga:

yeah, i was referring to the readme.

[15:38:03]

the_new_schmoo:

nothing wrong with that, laga – it's just unwise to say that they support _anything_ in hardware without firm evidence

[15:39:28]

laga:

the_new_schmoo: jsut marketing speech, probably.

[15:41:02]

Yalla-One:

Only thing I miss in Myth is capability to seamlessly blend streaming video (IP-TV) and cable-TV and same with radio (ie mix radio channels with internet radio) in the same screen...

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cliffd:

if my case comes with an IR thing and it has support for LIRC does that mean I can use any supported universal remote. I dont have to use the crappy one the case comes with?

[15:51:09]

mchou:

cliffd: not necessarily

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mchou:

depends on the (light) modulation protocol

[15:52:01]

cliffd:

the silverstone case I want comes with iMON remote? http://venky.ws/projects/imon/ this site says it has LIRC support. I want to switch remotes because people say the included one is not universal.

[15:52:08]

cliffd:

oh

[15:52:22]

cliffd:

so this IR thing could be for this remote only.

[15:52:31]

mchou:

could be.

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mchou:

only way to tell would be to try universal remote on it, or fing out what protocol te remote uses

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mchou:

find*

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cliffd:

silverstone gives docs on there IR protocol

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cliffd:

I havent bought it yet. I like the case because it has and LCD/VFD display for the clock and such, and built in IR but I dont wana get stuck using there remote.

[15:54:16]

Yalla-One:

SilverStone seems like overall very good cabinets

[15:54:28]

cliffd:

yeah I agree Yalla-One

[15:54:37]

Yalla-One:

and even good support :)

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ivor:

cliffd: most likely it will work fine with general remotes.

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Yalla-One:

cliffd, You can program the lirc to work with any remote you'd like

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mchou:

ivor: how can you be sure of that?

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** ivor shrugs **

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cliffd:

Yalla-One: but doesnt it come down to this iMON controlled IR on the case being able to use other remotes?

[15:55:53]

cliffd:

or could the universal remote learn the included one

[15:56:00]

cliffd:

?

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mchou:

cliffd: universal remotes only support certain "industry" std protocols

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Yalla-One:

cliffd, The way I understand it is that the IR is working on a standardized frequency etc, so you just learn your IR driver how to interpret the codes/signals from whatever remote you l ike. It even comes with a huge database. However, haven't researched this thoroughly yet

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mchou:

cliffd: if IMON uses their own proprietary protocol no universal remote is gonna work

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ivor:

mchou: since they state lirc support what's the likely hood that they have a simple serial interface to a basic 38khz receiver?

[15:57:50]

mchou:

ivor: lol

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mchou:

ivor: you have much to learn my friend

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cliffd:

mchou: thanks :)

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ivor:

mchou: patronising sod.

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cliffd:

silverstone says you CAN NOT use any other remote with there iMON board

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cliffd:

boooo!

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

there's your answer :)

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cliffd:

yeah

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mchou:

cliffd: linky?

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cliffd:

the guy said they will be getting a new iMON controller that is universal

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cliffd:

I called them

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ivor:

hehe. interesting well the lirc irmon can be used in two modes

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ivor:

one where the data is decoded on the irmon interface

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ivor:

and the other where the raw timings are passed to lirc_dev.

[16:05:41]

ivor:

so who knows.

[16:05:58]

ivor:

(was just pawing through the source)

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cliffd:

does someone make a little IR unit that can be dremeled into the front of a case?

[16:06:42]

ivor:

cliffd: well you could just make one. they're simple circuits to make.

[16:06:58]

cliffd:

oh really.

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ivor:

yes

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cliffd:

because it looks like I can use the vfd portion of this case without the IR

[16:07:49]

ivor:

cool. just make one then. they are REALLY simple circuits.

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cliffd:

so it looks like the hauppauge pvr 500 is kind of buggy in linux. anyone using that card?

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the_new_schmoo:

3 pin IR reciever chip, a 1k resistor, 78L05 regulator & a small signal diode... ta-da

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cliffd:

to make the IR receiver ?

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the_new_schmoo:

yep

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the_new_schmoo:

I've been thinking about selling them on Ebay

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ivor:

lol

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cliffd:

ill buy one

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cliffd:

the last time I used a soldering Iron I burt my self pretty bad

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cliffd:

maybe because I didnt have that nifty clip thing that is weighted look like a little crab.

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ivor:

heh I always assumed the burnt fingers was part of the fun.

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the_new_schmoo:

part of everyone else's fun maybe

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phoner:

anyone know why I can't change channels on a pvr

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kazan:

google search appliance templates = teh debil

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mmead:

kormoc: turns out there is a bug in the ieee1394 kernel driver that is causing my problem

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kazan:

fun fun

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kazan:

kernel bugs... teh sux0rs

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mmead:

kormoc: see the end of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:FireWire if you're interested

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** kormoc peers **

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kormoc:

wow, nifty that you figured it out

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** ivor yawns and looks at the office clock. **

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mmead:

kormoc: yeah, I guess I'll hop on the linux 1394 mailing list and inquire – maybe I can help them test fixes

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scopeuk:

or if all else fails drive em up the wal ;-)

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scopeuk:

that bad ivor?

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mmead:

scopeuk: heh

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** kormoc smacks sane **

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laga:

hi Coume

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Coume:

hiya laga, how is it going?

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laga:

Coume: fine, i've just found the annoying bug that prevent mythtv from working in our LinuxTag distro :)

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laga:

and what about you?

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Coume:

eheh :) Great... finally, in week-end... so happpppyyyyyyyyy

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scopeuk:

what was it laga

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laga:

scopeuk: old libs in /usr/local/lib/ *blush*

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laga:

Coume: heh

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mchou:

anyone here try a PhyX processor?

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scopeuk:

mchou ive tried there appin software mdoe itsmoderate on proepr hardware (othe people) its rapid with very little cpu time used

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phoner:

is the firmware for the pvr350 the same as for the 250?

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Juski:

hi Coume. just about to set off home

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Juski:

have a nice weekend everybody ;-)

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laga:

heh. yeah, you too :)

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Coume:

good week-end juski :)

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Coume:

too late

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jonK:

i'm riding an ms150 bike tour this weekend

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jonK:

so my weekend should be hell

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Coume:

eheh

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** laga is gonna get wasted this weekend. **

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laga:

i hope so, at least. school resumes monday

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scopeuk:

heh

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** scopeuk has to contend with an invasion of his siters friends for a sleap over on saturday night **

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** scopeuk has invested in an electric fencetransformer and soem razor wire **

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jonK:

that could go either way for you

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scopeuk:

ther 13

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laga:

ugh

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

and there are 11 of them

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laga:

you'd better go out

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laga:

and get wasted, too :)

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jonK:

well, then that only works if you're 14

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scopeuk:

lol

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laga:

the GF returns on sunday from her europe trip, so i'd better not be too hungover

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scopeuk:

might stay in and get wasted on ym dads buck

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jonK:

i have a girl flying in sunday to stay for a few days, but after the ms150, I may not care

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laga:

jonK: tell her to treat you nice

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ivor:

or mean, depending on what you're into.

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laga:

sure

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** SarahEmm meows hiya **

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jonK:

i'm expecting to be too tired to be into much ... that's the problem

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laga:

hi SarahEmm

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laga:

jonK: i've never had that problem before, but a) i don't do sports and b) i'm still a teenager

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laga:

;)

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SarahEmm:

anyone here having trouble getting mythvideo to compile on .19?

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** SarahEmm is getting http://pastebin.ca/50448 **

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, try disabling/wiping ccache on devonrex

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jonK:

hi

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SarahEmm:

ooh.

[17:57:46]

SarahEmm:

kk

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SarahEmm:

i'll turn distcc off just to be safe too

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kazan:

One of the laws of star trek: if it's an episode that has Roddenberry's wife in it: it's crap

[18:04:55]

kormoc:

lies, she is halarious!

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kormoc:

kazan, and she is in every epsode of TNG. She's the voice of the computer

[18:08:27]

xris:

and she was a hot nurse in the original.

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SarahEmm:

same error with ccache and distcc disabled

[18:14:02]

kazan:

kormoc: ignoring her being the voice of the computer

[18:17:07]

kormoc:

SarahEmm, hrm, that's really strange...

[18:17:51]

SarahEmm:

google finds one other person having this issue, but no responses

[18:18:28]

** xris tries to compile **

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, yeah, erm. care to cd into the /var/tmp/portage/mythvideo-0.19/work/mythplugins-0.19/mythvideo and type make and see if it hits the same error?

[18:18:55]

SarahEmm:

htm

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SarahEmm:

it *is* declared too, in mythcontext.h

[18:19:04]

SarahEmm:

already did that kormoc

[18:19:05]

SarahEmm:

it does

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, might want to wipe out /var/tmp/portage and retry the compile

[18:19:41]

xris:

SarahEmm: smp compile? try -j 1 ?

[18:19:57]

SarahEmm:

not an smp box, no

[18:20:05]

xris:

SarahEmm: not the box, the compile

[18:20:08]

SarahEmm:

ooh

[18:20:14]

SarahEmm:

yes it is because of distcc being in use

[18:20:15]

SarahEmm:

will change that too

[18:20:17]

xris:

like maybe one of the deps in the makefile is out of order

[18:20:26]

SarahEmm:

could be

[18:20:28]

SarahEmm:

lemme try again

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xris:

I'm compiling now, too.. will let you know how it goes

[18:22:00]

SarahEmm:

alright source removed from /var/tmp/portage, changed to -j1, no ccache no distcc

[18:22:05]

SarahEmm:

retrying build

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SarahEmm:

same issue.

[18:24:42]

SarahEmm:

weird.

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** SarahEmm is having a lot of issues with .19 :/ **

[18:26:48]

kormoc:

same error with the distcc line as well?

[18:27:08]

SarahEmm:

what?

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, in your pastebin, line 2 is a distcc error

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xris:

SarahEmm: compiles just fine for me

[18:28:35]

SarahEmm:

err no

[18:28:37]

SarahEmm:

not that line :)

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xris:

well, I'm using svn, though

[18:28:40]

SarahEmm:

the rest is the same

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kormoc:

kk

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kormoc:

just making sure

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jim_u:

er... i can't get one lircd to listen to the other without them dieing

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, you can merge by hand if you really can't figure it out otherwise

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jim_u:

this is just arg

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SarahEmm:

err.. but i can't make it build at all :)

[18:34:08]

SarahEmm:

i'll try grabbing sources and doing it manually but i bet the same error will come up

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kormoc:

SarahEmm, I thought you said going into the work dir and make and it worked?

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SarahEmm:

no, i said it didn't work :)

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kormoc:

ooh, oops, sorry

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SarahEmm:

gah.

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SarahEmm:

.19 also seems to use quite a bit more CPU than .18 or previous did.. i'm either going to need a -250 or more CPU power..

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SarahEmm:

i'll try building from sourceby hand just to see

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mythabuser:

im having trouble with my audio in myth (it plays outside of myth) the log says "no such audio device" any thoughts?

[18:38:10]

SarahEmm:

are you sure the audio device is set right?

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mythabuser:

im sorry, it works now

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SarahEmm:

kk

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mythabuser:

i changed it like 7 times

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mythabuser:

now it works

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mythabuser:

sorry to waste chat log space :)

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SarahEmm:

gah

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SarahEmm:

i get the same error, but a different func that's not declared now

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SarahEmm:

when building manually

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SarahEmm:

something is very wrong...

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SarahEmm:

hrm

[18:45:52]

SarahEmm:

everything it can't find is in mythcontext.h

[18:46:33]

SarahEmm:

if only i knew C++...

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SarahEmm:

i assume that svn mythplugins won't run with .19 backend?

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kormoc:

I don't think they would

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SarahEmm:

hrm.

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SarahEmm:

grr.

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SarahEmm:

no plugins will build

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SarahEmm:

it's not just video...

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Rsx024:

any one familiar with sata devices and lvm?

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kormoc:

what about them?

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Rsx024:

i am trying to add a 250 g/b sata to a knoppmyth install i formatted the drive and it doesnt see it so i read that i have to install lvm? is this right?

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SarahEmm:

err... i'm not sure about knoppmyth, but in generaly ou don't need to use lvm for sata

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Rsx024:

i see

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SarahEmm:

what do you mean by 'not seeing it'?

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Rsx024:

well linux it self can see the drive but not myth

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SarahEmm:

oh.. okay

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SarahEmm:

you made a filesystem and mounted it and such?

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Rsx024:

i format using cfdisk then i rebooted i am assuming it gets mounted if flagged bootable?

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SarahEmm:

umm, no...

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SarahEmm:

err, and are you sure cfdisk formatted it?

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SarahEmm:

that would partition, i'm not sure if it would format

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Rsx024:

ok

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Rsx024:

well its partitioned :)

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Rsx024:

sorry dont know much bout linux still learnin lots

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SarahEmm:

ahh...

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** SarahEmm nods **

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SarahEmm:

once you do that, you ahve to make a filesystem. mkfs.<filesystem> <device>

[19:02:34]

jonK:

and for jfs, i think you have to do some extra step if i recall

[19:03:16]

jonK:

what's going on this disk?

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Rsx024:

recordings

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jonK:

and as long as we're asking LVM questions, is it worth changing the extent size for a vg holding myth recordings?

[19:04:25]

SarahEmm:

kormoc/xris: any other ideas?

[19:04:30]

SarahEmm:

i'm stumped as i don't know C++...

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Rsx024:

i get mke2fs 1.36 (05-Feb-2005)

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Rsx024:

mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count – /dev/sda

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Rsx024: you need to make it on a partion on the harddrive..i.e. for exampl /dev/sda1

[19:05:52]

SarahEmm:

err no...

[19:05:56]

SarahEmm:

yeah, what RaYmAn-Bx said

[19:05:59]

jonK:

Rsx, from the top, what partition type did you create for the partition

[19:06:09]

SarahEmm:

and be careful to use the right partition. if you use the wrong one you'll wipe out anything on it

[19:07:10]

kormoc:

SarahEmm, yeah... uhh... this is 0.19 myth plugins vanilla, right?

[19:07:17]

jonK:

i mean partition type for the disk drive you're installing

[19:07:20]

Rsx024:

jonK: when i cfdisk /dev/sda its partitioned as linux

[19:07:31]

kormoc:

Rsx024, you need to mke2fs /dev/sda1

[19:07:43]

jonK:

is this a new disk you're adding or is anything on it

[19:07:45]

SarahEmm:

kormoc: yep. just downloaded it right now

[19:07:46]

kormoc:

Rsx024, /dev/sda is the drive, /dev/sda1 is the first partition of the drive

[19:08:17]

kormoc:

Rsx024, and you might want to mke2fs -j -O dir_index /dev/sda1 for adding in a journal and adding in the faster dir indeses

[19:08:18]

SarahEmm:

it can't find declarations for ActivateSettingsCache, addCurrentLocation, and removeCurrentLocation. others are fine. i have nooo idea why, looking at mythcontext.h those 3 look no different than any others

[19:08:27]

Rsx024:

jonK: nothin on it brand new

[19:08:47]

Rsx024:

kormoc: ok mke2fs /dev/sda1 seems to be doing some thing now

[19:09:05]

jonK:

ok, first, the partition type in cfdisk for this drive should be "Liniux LVM"

[19:09:16]

jonK:

errr .. "Linux LVM"

[19:09:24]

kormoc:

if he wants to do LVM

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kormoc:

Rsx024, do you?

[19:09:30]

jonK:

kormoc: new box screaming fast

[19:09:38]

kormoc:

jonK, yeah? nice

[19:10:06]

jonK:

built mythv from scratch in 16 minutes

[19:10:16]

Rsx024:

not really sure i guess as long as myth can see the drive and funciton properly i will be happy

[19:10:20]

kazan:

Viciousness: http://www.mvr.usace.army.mil/Coralville/wate . . . spillway.JPG

[19:10:37]

jonK:

Rsx, I thought you were trying to create an LVM group for mythtv recordings

[19:11:02]

kormoc:

Rsx024, well, your drives won't merge together into one large drive to myth, you understand that?

[19:11:02]

kazan:

(Water going over the emergency spillway at the US ACoE resevoire at Coralville Lake, in July 1993)

[19:11:14]

jonK:

kormoc: still have not moved the tuner cards into it yet

[19:11:29]

kormoc:

I finally got my RMA back, so my mythbox will be alive again this weekend!

[19:11:35]

Rsx024:

kormoc: no thats not how i understood glad you are breaking it down

[19:11:35]

jonK:

old box takes nearly an hour to build myth from a "make distclean"

[19:11:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: that's good news!

[19:11:50]

SarahEmm:

kazan: miswindow?

[19:12:20]

kormoc:

Rsx024, okay, to merge the drives, you would need to use LVM, but the main drive will need to be setup as LVM as well, so you'd have to basically start over

[19:12:27]

Rsx024:

yea i figured myth would see to hd's and when one fills up it goes to the next

[19:12:38]

Rsx024:

OK

[19:12:41]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, it's bout time, I've been having to watch live tv! *shudder*

[19:12:43]

jonK:

or ditch whatever is currently in the /path/to/mythrecordings/directory

[19:12:52]

Rsx024:

so i have to reinstall manually huh?

[19:13:01]

jonK:

rsx, that depends,

[19:13:04]

kormoc:

jonK, assuming it's on a different partition, which isn't a safe assumption with knoppimyth

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[19:13:47]

jonK:

rsx024, how much space do you currently have for recordings? without the new drive?

[19:13:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Wow, so you didn't even have a 'backup' system, eh?

[19:13:59]

Rsx024:

180 gb

[19:14:21]

kormoc:

Rsx024, basically, you'll need to take your first drive, partition off a chunk that will be /, and a part that will be LVM myth recordings. Then you'll LVM add the sata into the LVM and they'll merge

[19:14:27]

jonK:

if you want to create a single storage area that includes taht 180 gb + the new drive, yes you'll need to start over

[19:14:36]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I had one I could have used, but like, it wasn't really worth it to rewire things

[19:14:46]

jonK:

unless you want to gamble on downsizing the current partition

[19:14:56]

kormoc:

well

[19:15:12]

kormoc:

could partition the SATA, merge the / over to the SATA and all that jazz

[19:15:28]

jonK:

chroot?

[19:15:48]

kormoc:

jonK, no need really, just a cp with permissions perserved and all that

[19:16:07]

Rsx024:

i am willing to try either method all the stuff on my box i have currently seen any way

[19:16:13]

jonK:

if it's a dedicated mythsystem, I think it'd be more clean to just start over

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kormoc:

jonK, Rsx024, starting over would be cleaner and easier, aye

[19:16:39]

jonK:

rsx, what distrobution?

[19:16:51]

Rsx024:

knoppmyth rb57

[19:16:53]

kormoc:

jonK, I myself have a aversion to starting over when I have things how I like them :P

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jonK:

me too-- far too often they get broken and i cant get back

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Rsx024:

there is an create_lvm.sh included in knoppmyth

[19:17:21]

jonK:

no matter how many times I hear the rule, have a clear undo path always

[19:17:32]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:17:52]

kormoc:

jonK, I'll be having fun, converting a 'live' system to a software raid remotely ;)

[19:17:57]

jonK:

but what do I know I singed up for a 150 mile bike raide, that is, in fact, 184 miles

[19:18:11]

jonK:

i feel so defrauded

[19:18:14]

Rsx024:

haha

[19:18:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm lucky if I could ride 15 miles now... '-)

[19:18:55]

Rsx024:

they coulda atleast done you a favor and rounded up and just said 200

[19:19:15]

jonK:

when my odometer reads 150miles, I may just pack up my marbles and go home

[19:19:47]

kormoc:

what's a extra 26 miles after 150?

[19:20:08]

Rsx024:

haha the most i ever rode a bike was 20 miles i could never imagin even riding 80

[19:20:09]

laga:

26?

[19:20:22]

** laga would collapse after 5 miles **

[19:20:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

looks like kormoc flunked math... ;-)

[19:20:45]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:20:53]

kormoc:

I ment 36... yeah...

[19:21:03]

jonK:

you meant 34, but who's counting...

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kormoc:

gah

[19:21:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

haha... How about 34?

[19:21:16]

kormoc:

talk about a bad memory

[19:21:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

rotfl!!!!!!!!!

[19:21:22]

jonK:

rsx, start over

[19:21:27]

Rsx024:

how would i tell what partition myth is on? for my first drive?

[19:21:28]

kormoc:

I just didn't bother scrolling up to see the real number

[19:21:34]

jonK:

when you get to the portion of the install that partitions the disk,

[19:21:36]

Rsx024:

is it always on /dev/hda1?

[19:21:52]

Rsx024:

well for my current setup is it possible to tell?

[19:21:59]

jonK:

let me suggest the following:

[19:22:13]

jonK:

create a 255 MB partition /boot

[19:22:26]

jonK:

give everythign else to lvm partitions

[19:22:38]

jonK:

well, have a swap partition

[19:22:45]

kormoc:

jonK, what about setting up the initrd for him, you gonna do that?

[19:22:47]

jonK:

but read the lvm howto first

[19:23:08]

jonK:

that's what the /boot is for, the install should do it for him shouldn't it?

[19:23:19]

kormoc:

jonK, not usually

[19:23:36]

kormoc:

usually you need to handcraft the initrd a bit

[19:23:44]

jonK:

is this something particular to knoppmyth?

[19:23:48]

kazan:

hahahahaha

[19:23:49]

kazan:

* # The Church of Scientology claims that the 9/11 hijackers were brainwashed by psychiatrists who were the real masterminds behind the attacks, [141] despite the fact that none of the hijackers were ever known to have visited psychiatrists.

[19:23:52]

kormoc:

jonK, not at all

[19:24:09]

jonK:

the only time i've ever had to deal with building an initrd is when rolling my own kernel

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Rsx024:

i would paypal you a million bucks to ssh into this thing and get every thing workin including this stupid ir blaster thats laughin in my face

[19:24:29]

kormoc:

jonK, you see, how does the initrd know which lvm is the root?

[19:24:40]

jonK:

mine seems too

[19:24:42]

kormoc:

Rsx024, a million eh?

[19:24:56]

kormoc:

jonK, that's not typical at all, what distro and how did you set it up?

[19:24:59]

Rsx024:

lol

[19:25:03]

kormoc:

Rsx024, I'll take that deal!

[19:25:06]

jonK:

ubuntu

[19:25:15]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: who is steveadeff? do you know?

[19:25:16]

Rsx024:

:)

[19:25:19]

jonK:

their installer, partitioned with 1 disk right now

[19:25:21]

kormoc:

Rsx024, paypal at kormoc dot com, and send away!

[19:25:25]

** kormoc taps his foot **

[19:25:30]

jonK:

255 mb in /boot

[19:25:36]

kormoc:

jonK, yeah, and it made the changes to the initrd for you...

[19:25:37]

jonK:

the rest in a single lvm partition

[19:25:46]

kormoc:

jonK, trust me, the CLI tools do no such thing.

[19:26:15]

jonK:

do what"no such thing" i'm not even sure what you're suggesting i'm suggesting the cli tools do

[19:26:17]

Rsx024:

only one partion must be flagged bootable?

[19:26:28]

kormoc:

jonK, setup the initrd for you

[19:26:51]

jonK:

isn't that what mkintitrd is for?

[19:27:03]

Rsx024:

lol would this have been easier if i just got a pata drive

[19:27:17]

kormoc:

jonK, I do beleive it makes some defaults, aye, but you'll still need to change it

[19:27:22]

jonK:

no, you'd still have the same issue, if you wanted a merge the space on both drives

[19:27:29]

Rsx024:

oh ok

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kormoc:

jonK, one one box, I have lvm / in vg0 and another lvm / in vg vg, how does it know what vg is the root, or what lvm in the different vgs is the root?

[19:27:54]

jonK:

kornoc: so when I add additional physical disks to my sytem, you're saying it may assplode all over the place?

[19:28:02]

kormoc:

not at all

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Rsx024:

maybe i should test out this creat_lvm.sh

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kormoc:

jonK, because the initrd knows that lvm vg/root or whatever it set it up to be is your root

[19:28:49]

kormoc:

Rsx024, but outside of ubuntu world, that's a user entered string, and not set

[19:28:58]

jonK:

ok — there's the issue

[19:29:09]

jonK:

I was wondering why any of this discussion mattered

[19:29:36]

jonK:

kormoc, was it you who suggested xfce?

[19:29:40]

kormoc:

aye

[19:29:48]

Rsx024:

kormoc: im in a knoppmyth work where every thing is magical and just works

[19:29:56]

jonK:

how do i get the fonts to be decent

[19:30:09]

kormoc:

jonK, what do you mean?

[19:30:28]

kormoc:

Rsx024, well, might want to check the docs to see if they have a magical ubuntu like install for lvm, and if so, go with it

[19:30:57]

jonK:

all this matters only if / is an lvm mapping though, doesn;t it?

[19:31:07]

Rsx024:

here well i could show you the guide that i just found not sure what to make of it cause i suck would you mind takin a look at it for me?

[19:31:23]

Rsx024:

the part of creat_lvm is in the first part

[19:31:34]

jonK:

kormoc: the fonts are crap — it looks like redhat 5

[19:31:39]

kormoc:

jonK, yes, which is what you recommended

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Rsx024:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=LvmHowTo

[19:31:51]

jonK:

just making sure

[19:32:00]

jonK:

rsx, new, simpler suggestion,

[19:32:11]

kormoc:

jonK, and I assumed you played with the font settings in the config?

[19:32:24]

jonK:

no, and in what config do you speak of?

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[19:34:31]

kazan:

hahah

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kazan:

http://media.putfile.com/Silverstein-Wins-the-Internet

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kormoc:

jonK, right click on the desktop -> settings -> settings manager

[19:35:12]

jonK:

will do when i get home

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J-e-f-f-A:

Rsx024: I don't know if it will help you any, but I setup my backend like this: 18GB scsi for the OS (/boot swap & /) — and an LVM for all myth content... (4x200GB drives)...

[19:35:25]

jonK:

and then what setting do i need to use

[19:35:25]

kormoc:

jonK, User Interface is the place where I did most of my changes

[19:35:39]

kormoc:

depends on what's wrong. Just set the font to one that looks good

[19:35:57]

kazan:

SCSI.... ewwwwwwwwwwww

[19:36:02]

mmead:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm using lvm, too... the only thing I hate about it is if any of the disks fails, the whole thing goes

[19:36:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: Well, it's on-board on the MB, and it was the 'main' drive on the system when I got it (Free)... Since it's fast, and already there, I used it! (Ultra 160 scsi)

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kazan:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

mmead: Yeah, I thought of that too. But I can't afford a tape backup big enough for my 760GB LVM...

[19:37:50]

kazan:

and these days

[19:37:58]

mmead:

J-e-f-f-A: yah

[19:38:00]

kazan:

give me SATA if you need that kinda performance

[19:38:20]

jonK:

and you probably don't care to back up all those episodes of boy meets world anyway

[19:38:27]

** kazan hasn't bought a SATA drive yet though, hasn't bought a new drive in a couple years **

[19:38:34]

mmead:

J-e-f-f-A: I only have 260G in my lvm anyway, I'm shortly going to move it to a SATA 320G drive using xfs, then just add some space to the lvm and add it as a mirror of the 320G video partition

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Rsx024:

J-e-f-f-A: thats a pretty sick setup you got there 4x200 i do have spare drive i can use just for purposes of installing myth and os

[19:39:05]

** kazan has 15GB system drive, 2x80GB LVM **

[19:39:11]

jonK:

once I move the drives fro the old backend to the new one, should have ~1Tb of space

[19:39:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: Yeah, I liked it, having Amigas and such. Termination was a bit of a pain to work out at times. It's much better since SCSI III... And you can have 15 devices on one controller with SCSI III... Can't touch that with IDE!

[19:39:47]

kazan:

don't you have to split bandwidth on SCSI :P

[19:40:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Rsx024: And your 'system' drive doesn't have to be very big either — mine is only 18GB...

[19:40:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: Yeah, but you don't have parallel-tasking on IDE! ;-)

[19:40:23]

kazan:

full linux install is like.. 3GB if you click "install everything"

[19:40:38]

Rsx024:

i got a spare xbox harddrive 8 gb

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Rsx024:

should do

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kazan:

jeffa: yeah so it wasn't really needed on PATA

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stealth:

i have a sa3250 and i can record over 1394 with test-mpeg2 .. main concern is in myth does internal channel changing work?

[19:41:44]

kazan:

stealth: you change channels via a console script right? you just gotta set the channel change command in the tuner definition

[19:41:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: many moons ago I picked up a 16x SCSI CD-Rom drive. It was WAY faster than a 16X IDE CD-Rom, and even faster than a 24x. (But in fairness, part of that was probably that the IDE drive manufacturers probably lied about the speed..)

[19:42:04]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, SAS! Serial Attached Scsi!

[19:42:04]

stealth:

i have no idea.. thats what im asking.. its a script to change channels?

[19:42:21]

kazan:

and Caveat: there is some bug in the kernel ieee1394 driver too that can cause corruption

[19:42:36]

mmead:

kazan: you have more info on that?

[19:42:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Is that the SATA equivalent for SCSI?

[19:42:57]

kazan:

mmead: no.. someone in here mentioned it (wasn't it you?)

[19:43:02]

mmead:

kazan: yes

[19:43:03]

mmead:

:)

[19:43:11]

jonK:

rsx, the one problem wiht using the small spare drive, is that if you eventually want to use that connection with a large drive, you're out of luck — that's what led me to replace my old system with a new one

[19:43:25]

mmead:

stealth: I posted a patch the other day to the -users mailing list for using sa3250ch to change channels on the sa3250

[19:43:35]

kazan:

jonK: huh? what you talking 'bout willis?

[19:43:37]

mmead:

stealth: the channel changing works perfectly for me... though not much else does

[19:43:42]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, aye, it is

[19:43:47]

Rsx024:

jonK: i see i dont think i will be upgrading any time soon

[19:43:50]

jonK:

I had a 40gb drive and two really big ones, I decided to replace the 40gb one and had to start over

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Rsx024:

i got 1 open connection for sata and i can handle 3 more pata drives

[19:44:09]

jonK:

althogh I see seagate is coming out with a 750gb drive

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mmead:

I know someone that just ordered a 2.5TB (2TB effective) raid based on those new seagate raid-spec drives... only part will hold myth data, though

[19:44:31]

mmead:

nfs over gigabit ethernet

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stealth:

mmead, have a link? what do you mean not much else? channels dont record?

[19:44:47]

mmead:

stealth: one sec

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Rsx024:

crap i gotta go didnt relize the time

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I will have to do some research!!! The thing that drives me insane about SATA is that there's only 2 ports on the MB... So only 2 drives... At least PATA gave you 4 drives with 2 ports...

[19:45:03]

mmead:

stealth: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:FireWire

[19:45:09]

Rsx024:

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP i gotta go

[19:45:24]

mmead:

stealth: I wrote about what's going on in there around the middle, got some responses from Stefeadeff that are helpful

[19:45:45]

kazan:

jeffa: what?! SATA is one port one drive not dual head?

[19:45:51]

** kazan didn't know that (haven't used SATA) **

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, heh, yeah, tho I like the simplier design, but then I don't have a shortage of sata plugs

[19:45:57]

mmead:

kazan: one port one drive

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stealth:

mmead, is there anyway tomake it a stand alone script outside of myth? i like myth but sometimes id like to use like tvtime

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kazan:

i suppose that _IS_ a better thing from a design and performance point of view

[19:46:22]

kazan:

but it's still a PITA

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mmead:

stealth: sa3250ch.c is a standalone program for changing channels – for me, mythtv's internal routines always tune to channel 48, the script works perfectly

[19:46:33]

mmead:

stealth: once patched

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kazan:

i probably won't be upgrading to SATA drives until i build a system from scratch with a PCIe mobo

[19:47:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: It would be nice if they at least provided the same number of sata ports as was capable with pata...

[19:47:04]

kormoc:

kazan, not really, no more changing of jumpers to remove a drive or what not, no need to screw with more cables and all that.

[19:47:05]

kazan:

(or PCIX .. however it's abbreviated most commonly)

[19:47:10]

mmead:

stealth: here's my post about it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mead;#198701

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stealth:

mmead, where is 3250ch.c ?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, most of my mobos with sata have 4 or 8 sata ports

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mmead:

stealth: contrib/channel_changers

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kazan:

kormoc: what are you disagreeing with? i said that it is better from design and performance standpoint

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: For a minute, I thought you said "PCI" only-- I missed the "e" the first time... :-O

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mmead:

stealth: here's the post with the patch: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mead;#198764

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kazan:

kormoc: setting jumpers =ezpz

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stealth:

mmead, great thanks

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kazan:

lol jeffa

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kormoc:

<kazan> but it's still a PITA

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mmead:

stealth: good luck

[19:48:04]

kormoc:

kazan, that part

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kazan:

yes i'm running mythTV on ISA :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Really — do they have pata too?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, aye

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mmead:

stealth: once this firewire issue is out of the way I'm hopeful things will get normal

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kazan:

what's even better is that wisecrack will be in the chat channel logs :D

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kazan:

rotfl

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stealth:

mmead, hey heres one prob i see.. changing channels while the mpeg stream is dumping.. there will be a delay?

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kazan:

that should give some unsuspecting googler a nice WTF moment

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mmead:

stealth: you'll end up with a stream that will confuse a lot of decoders

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stealth:

since tvtime, myth isnt playing in real time?

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wpiku:

hey guys,I see gentoo has mythtv 0.19 p9163 but I have 0.19 release on my FC5 frontend.. ok to mix versions?

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mmead:

stealth: mythtv stops recording it, switches channels, and restarts

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stealth:

i see

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mmead:

stealth: if I use test-mpeg2 | mplayer -, mplayer gets very confused when I change channels

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: its still not working?

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stealth:

mmead, indeed

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: no, it worked for like 5 minutes, then reverted. I was doing nothing but watching when it did that

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: Talk:FireWire has some details

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah saw it

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stealth:

mmead, you can dump a lot of channels over 1394?

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SlicerDicer-:

have you considered going to 2.6.15.1 as a test?

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mmead:

stealth: I can dump almost everything on the wire, including encore cineplex

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stealth:

awsome

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes, been up til 3a twice this week, so it's on my to do list after some rest

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stealth:

i used to be able to get the hbo when my cable co went digital but i think they turned on the 5c

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: was going to try 2.6.15.7 first, then 2.6.15.1 vanilla compiled

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mmead:

stealth: I think my experience is typical – all the HD channels (other than showtime etc.) are NOT 5c

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: only reason I am asking is that is the exact kernel I am using :)

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mmead:

stealth: this situation sounds less like the norm to me than the cable company locking everything

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I did use debian's 2.6.15.1 kernel

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: right thats what you were using when I first talked to you yesterday right?

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SlicerDicer-:

thats a debian kernel not a vanilla or am I wrong... I am not 100% familar with debian so

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: oh wait, I am wrong – I had been using debian 2.6.13.1 and 2.6.16.1

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: too many versions to keep track of – I need to keep notes

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: short answer – yes, a test on 2.6.15.7 and 2.6.15.1 is on my radar

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: unfortunately, I'm now using 97% cpu to play 720p

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SlicerDicer-:

jesus dude

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: 2.6.16.x seems to be problematic because of the interplay with the x86_64 nvidia drivers

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I'm getting so many different behaviors under 7667, 8178, 8576

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: every once in a while I hit on a kernel / driver combination that works perfectly with bob on 1080i

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: then it slips through my fingers like sand

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: so I'm going to head back to the 2.6.15 where I have a wider choice of nvidia versions

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: this stuff is very finicky, huh?

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: for my backend I am using 7667 I think

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SlicerDicer-:

argh too many fricken numbers1!!!!!!!!!!!

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mmead:

yes

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mmead:

and I have no sufficiently paired down my kernel options to make the kernel compiles any quicker than 27min

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mmead:

I based on debian's stock, and they like to build the world as modules.

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: thats why I dont upgrade my mythtv system very often heh

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: me either

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: it has been in constant flux since I went to .19

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: before that I didn't touch it for months

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: also you using AMD64?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes, I switched to amd64 with my move to .19

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean full 64bit distro?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: running 32bit wastes like 40% of the hardware's performance capability

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: though who knows if all the pieces I'm using are 64 bit clean :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I will have you know I had severe firewire issues with my AMD64 disto.. I cannot verify as its been destroyed but I perhaps think its possible that 64bit might be part of the problem

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SlicerDicer-:

part not all but part

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: if 2.6.15.7/1 do not work out, that is also on my list – a chroot 32 bit env to run mythtv in

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SlicerDicer-:

but yeah I switched my AMD64 backend over to 32bit

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SlicerDicer-:

not only just for tests with firewire but tests with transcoding and a few minor other issues

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: do you notice the performance difference?

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SlicerDicer-:

what between 32 and 64bit?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: yes

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SlicerDicer-:

that 32bit is faster due to 64bit being borked? sure ;-)

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stealth:

mmead, hey im trying to compile the sa3250ch.c .. i get this http://pastebin.com/673986 ?

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: 32 bit is faster for you?

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SlicerDicer-:

by far faster

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SlicerDicer-:

were talking a good hour shaved off the first pass on a encode of 2 hour video

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: distro?

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SlicerDicer-:

gentoo

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I guess I will start the debootstrap

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SlicerDicer-:

stealth: it looks like your missing libavc1394 dependency

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mmead:

stealth: you need to have libavc1394, libraw1394, and libiec61883 installed

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: yeah I have been told by a few people who I take the information they say very highly that when building things with AMD64 SSE and SSE2 should automagic be compiled due to every AMD64 having it so it should not be a issue.... well apparently the SSE and SSE2 are not being compiled in among other things

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SlicerDicer-:

so it causes it to have a very negative performance for the cpu

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: you mean in 64bit mode?

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SlicerDicer-:

so badly impacted that my 1.4ghz AMD Thunderbird can beat my 3500+ AMD64 in a transcode test when running 64bit

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SlicerDicer-:

yes I am talking about 64bit

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: ugg

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: haha!!

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ICK!

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: well, it is consistent with my experience – my k7 1733mhz was playing 720p with less cpu use than the amd64

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: running 32bit its fine the times are sliced way down

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SlicerDicer-:

bigtime

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: I havent moved to 64bit

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: I dont think 64bit with AMD is doing so swell with video related stuff hehe

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mchou:

I tried it once and found I couldnt surf the web :)

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I dont think I will migrate back over for a bit

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I think it's more a matter of getting things setup properly to compile with the right options... it will take time

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SlicerDicer-:

at least with my backend

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: I ran 64bit for a good 2 months on the backend trying to figure it out hehe

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kazan:

too bad i don't have spare hardware and time to help out development

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kazan:

a lot of outstanding bugs in trac

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: hmm, I'd rather do it in a chroot so the other things this box does do not end up suffering the 40% performance loss of running 32 bit code

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: but I may be forced to just do i386

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: ohh I hear ya I figure if I have a 64bit cpu I may as well run it in 64bit mode

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SlicerDicer-:

I have been running 64bit machines since november of 2004

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mmead:

I will rationalize it like this: since the purpose of this thing is mostly myth, and myth is faster 32 bit than 64, that's what I'll do :)

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SlicerDicer-:

but the huge performance difference is crazy...

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mchou:

mmead: b4 you do that I'd ask Chutt for his findings

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SlicerDicer-:

I hope that soon I can revert back though

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: be sure to test it in chroot but I am sure you will find the same I did

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mchou:

mmead: somehow I think you guys are either missing or added too many optimizations on 64-bit

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mchou:

mmead: doing either can have deleterious effects

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I rebuilt my mythtv system 3 times total with differnet optimizations

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: helped me with one rebuild IIRC

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mmead:

mchou: what do you mean too many optimizations? ./configure?

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SlicerDicer-:

he had me drop --funroll-loops or something like that I cant remember

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mchou:

mmead: kernel and myth and libs

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I am using the exact same make.conf useflags and so forth that my mythbox was using in 64bit mode and just pasted them in for the 32bit mode

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SlicerDicer-:

so obviously its not a incorrect setting no?

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SlicerDicer-:

well I had to add a few things for the 32bit

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SlicerDicer-:

like sse and sse2 useflag but those are suposto be automagic with 64bit

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mmead:

mchou: hmm, not sure what I would do for optimization in the kernel – it was built pretty much vanilla... in terms of myth: ./configure --enable-dvb --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-joystick-menu --disable-xrandr --enable-memalign-hack --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-jack

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SlicerDicer-:

and gentoo anyway

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mmead:

mchou: maybe turn off the memalign-hack ;)

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mmead:

wiki firewire fight

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cliffd:

another question for the channel. Im looking at the pvr500 and it seems to have problems, if I get two 150's or 250's how do I then get a feed to both the coax ins, via a cable splitter? thanks.

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mmead:

cliffd: that is how I split my HDTV antenna's signal for my OTA HDTV cards

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cliffd:

mmead: ok, the pvr500 seems to be to buggy, hit and miss from what im reading. and my case has room for 2 tuners and 1 video card

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xris:

cliffd: pvr-500 is just two 150's

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cliffd:

just a matter of getting a splitter and another 3 foot of coax cable. thanks.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: Yes. I'm not having any problems with my 500 and 250 though... I did have an issue when I tried to add a 150 to the 500, but when I put the 250 in instead, everything is working fine.

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cliffd:

xris yeah, thats true but it looks like people are having lots of problems with the second tuner on the 500, the new versions with samsung tuners

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xris:

oh, lame

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: so your 500 worked fine?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: Yeah, it's working fine.

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cliffd:

all Ive been reading about is static and lots of quality loss on the picture and audio problems from the new samsung based 500's

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cliffd:

do you know what version you have?

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J-e-f-f-A:

umm... No... I wonder if an 'lspci' will show or not...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nope... shows the encoder but not the tuner model...

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cliffd:

how long ago did you buy it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... About 6 months ago...

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cliffd:

ok, so its samsung based ill give it a go. I can always return it.

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cliffd:

id prefer to use less cards.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(and since my system's been up for 38 days, I can't see anything in dmesg for it anymore!!!)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ick... I just did a "dmesg |grep ivtv" and got tons of messages I don't like...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ivtv2: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ivtv2: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(for all 3 PVR-xxx tuners..., ivtv0 thru 2)

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kazan:

i've never had problems with my PVR500

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** SarahEmm got hers working without issue too **

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kazan:

whoa lagburst

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mine worked perfectly when I plugged it in, then when I tried to add a 150, one, the other, or both, wouldn't work right... Pulled the 150 out and dropped in my 'old' 250, and all has been well since... (2 months)

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kazan:

people having problems with the second tuner on a PVR500 isn't anything to do with the tuner card itself from my expirience, everything to do with people with bad setups

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cliffd:

ah ok

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cliffd:

thanks all for the info

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cliffd:

im going to make the hostname built-by-mythtv-users :)

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kazan:

hheh

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J-e-f-f-A:

cliffd: hehe... ;-)

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SarahEmm:

heeh

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stealth:

mmead yea its all installed.. i can use test-mpeg2

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stealth:

it just not finding the header files?

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kazan:

brb gotta boot into linux

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J-e-f-f-A:

he's not in Linux? Call the cops!!!

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mmead:

stealth: -I/path/to/headers

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mmead:

stealth: all just compiled out of the box for me

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onetwo:

Hi, Anyone in the uk, and sucessfully playing back bbc radio 7 recordings? I found a reference to stuttering audio back in 2004 and thought someone must have knocked the problem on the head by now...

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onetwo:

dvb-t I should say.

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm interesting

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: have you ever seen it to where your upcoming recordings have vanished out of mythweb?

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SlicerDicer-:

I cannot seem to record anything?

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xris:

only just after restarting the backend

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: restart the backend and it should be ok?

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scamp:

Onetwo: I'm in the UK, I can give it a go. Are you listening live or Listen Again?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: maybe... waht I meant is when I view the page right after restarting the backend, before it has rebuilt the query.

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh this was with the backend running hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah I restarted the backend and it appeared

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SlicerDicer-:

odd

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** scamp suddenly realises that he wasn't paying attention – sorry onetwo. **

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xris:

yeah, backend running, but not fully started up (takes about 20–30 seconds for most of that stuff to start up)

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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onetwo:

they say that it may be related to having a different bitrate and also that there is no tv channels on that multiplex...

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th1:

if there's anyone awake, do I need to use any particular ./configure options when I'm planning to use MythTV with PVR-350 and WinTV Nova DVB decoder?

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mishehu:

th1: ./configure --help

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scamp:

Is there any kind soul here that can help me with a (dumb) question on getting sound playback working, installing the VIA Unicrome driver or using a Nova-T-USB2 capture card?

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mishehu:

and when you do actually run configure, it will print you a summary of what's enabled.

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th1:

yes

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th1:

and I know that :)

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ivor:

th1: pointing it at the right dvb include files is about all you need

[20:56:03]

th1:

I was just wondering if there were any specific things I needed..

[20:56:15]

mishehu:

th1: don't think so.

[20:56:18]

ivor:

scamp: and what are your questions.

[20:56:25]

xris:

th1: which distro do you use?

[20:56:35]

th1:

debian 3.1/stable

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mishehu:

scamp: is the via unicrome the video chipset on epia mini-itx's ?

[20:56:42]

scamp:

OK, the questions are:

[20:56:55]

ivor:

1. just use the kernel alsa drivers.

[20:57:12]

ivor:

2. if its a epia-m use the xorg driver. if it's newer use the openchrome driver.

[20:57:18]

xris:

th1: could try the packages...

[20:57:29]

scamp:

I'm using ALSA on a Debian 2.6.15 with a PVR-350. I can't work out exactly what to type into the playback screen for the device.

[20:57:32]

th1:

xris, I'm planning to do lots of dev on MythTV so that wouldn't work

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xris:

th1: ahh...

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scamp:

I've read something about "ALSA:default", but that doesn't seem to do much and I'm not sure what to put in the "mixer" box.

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xris:

in that case, yeah. and grab svn

[20:57:54]

th1:

however I haven't installed the cards yet, this is not the box it's going into eventually

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scamp:

I'm probably just being dumb!

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scamp:

Ivor:Thanks – I'll take a look at x.org in more detail. It is a VIA EPIA MII with a CLE266. I downloaded the driver from the unicrome site, but the instructions were strangely lacking.

[20:58:39]

xris:

th1: hauppauge cards needs ivtv drivers, dvb needs the dvb include files.. that's about all you need.

[20:59:11]

ivor:

scamp: cle266, you'll be fine with a recent xorg install from your distro.

[20:59:23]

th1:

ok thanks xris :)

[20:59:32]

th1:

I've installed most everything else from packages, including qt and that stuff..

[21:00:03]

th1:

how's using the PVR-350 for tv-output of avi's and such? I read on the wiki it's only good for mpeg2 output

[21:00:21]

scamp:

Ivor: I'm running Debian unstable, x.org 6.9. I'm not getting the performance that I would have expected, but I'm not all that familiar with X so I need to play with it.

[21:00:54]

ivor:

scamp: define "not getting the performance"

[21:00:59]

xris:

th1: pretty much only for mpeg2. There are supposedly some new interface layers that'll let you do non-mpeg2 stuff but I hear it really kills your cpu

[21:01:28]

xris:

nvidia 6200 is a much better option, imho. 350 is way overpriced.

[21:01:38]

th1:

ok.. I was just hoping I could use it for everything. I don't mind the CPU usage since that box is a Sempron 3000 only for TV

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xris:

th1: it'll still be a huge pita to get up and running

[21:02:27]

onetwo:

ok, I found that the recorded file has 2 hours of video in it and only 58 mins of audio according to avidemux2. Is this a bug or can I alter this feature with some special configuration?

[21:02:36]

th1:

xris, that's why I didn't buy a tivo ;) I like this stuff

[21:02:53]

th1:

could have probably bought 2–3 tivos for the money I spent on components for this :)

[21:03:25]

ivor:

th1: if you've got the cpu power you might as well use it... unless the extra hardware gives you some special/specific advantage.

[21:03:55]

th1:

ivor, well the extra hardware is great for recording TV and playing back what I recorded in MPEG2 format. but I also want to be able to play all my AVI's

[21:04:05]

xris:

th1: well, I'd rather have a working machine that's less of a pain to use.. not to mention cheaper.

[21:04:15]

xris:

350 costs considerably more than a 150 + video card

[21:04:26]

th1:

xris, I have already got that.. I've got my Windows desktop with Tv-out, connected to my 2 TB linux file server :)

[21:04:40]

scamp:

Ivor: Sorry, I was being stupid. I've been having trouble with general responses being slow, it's not the graphics itself. I was barking up the wrong tree.

[21:04:48]

th1:

yeah, if the 350 is giving too much trouble I'm just gonna use it in my desktop

[21:04:50]

ivor:

heh

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xris:

th1: just saying that it's the nonstandard setup.

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th1:

any linux-setup is nonstandard.. that's why I've used linux since '91 ;)

[21:05:26]

scamp:

Ivor: The problem seems to be caused by the sound not being set up properly (I need to specify the right devices, I just don't know what they are) and for some reason it complains that it can't access a file in the ringbuffer.

[21:05:38]

SarahEmm:

91?

[21:05:41]

SarahEmm:

that was .01 kernels...

[21:05:45]

th1:

urh no

[21:05:45]

SarahEmm:

err .1 even :)

[21:05:45]

th1:

'92

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scamp:

Ivor: Are there "standard" values to put in the device and mixer boxes for a basic ALSA install?

[21:05:53]

th1:

I think I am messing the kernel version with the year ;)

[21:05:55]

SarahEmm:

92 was when i started too

[21:05:57]

th1:

the first one was 0.91

[21:05:58]

SarahEmm:

.9x kernels

[21:06:04]

SarahEmm:

yeah, me too :)

[21:06:07]

th1:

hehe

[21:06:09]

ivor:

.96 was about the first one that worked.

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th1:

downloaded slackware floppy installer with a 9600 baud modem ;)

[21:06:38]

** SarahEmm used MCC Interim with a 2400 :) **

[21:06:48]

ivor:

scamp: if you load the oss compatibility modules then you should be able to get it working with /dev/dsp

[21:06:51]

SarahEmm:

s'a little different these days....

[21:07:02]

th1:

hehe

[21:07:11]

SarahEmm:

downloading a 40MB kernel source over a 2400 would be painful ;)

[21:07:13]

scamp:

ivor: I'll give it a go – and I'll also need /dev/mixer presumably?

[21:07:24]

th1:

now it's like " do I download the full install-cd or just the businesscard netinstall which is only 100MB" :)

[21:07:30]

th1:

back then 100MB would have taken a week to dl

[21:07:39]

ivor:

yeah that's an easy way to get it working anyway

[21:08:04]

th1:

anyway, we're drifting off topic

[21:08:15]

th1:

this m... takes a while to build!..

[21:08:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

SarahEmm: That's wher FiOS comes in handy! ;-)

[21:08:32]

th1:

about as long as the kernel so far

[21:08:41]

SarahEmm:

FiOS?

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xris:

th1: 20–30 minutes without ccache

[21:09:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

SarahEmm: Fiber Optic Service — 15Mbps down, 2Mbps up! ;-)

[21:09:19]

th1:

ok, should be done soon then

[21:09:24]

SarahEmm:

ahh

[21:09:25]

SarahEmm:

*pffts*

[21:09:29]

SarahEmm:

i'm in VDSLland

[21:09:35]

SarahEmm:

30Mbps down, not sure on the up

[21:09:43]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: oh if only they offered those speeds here

[21:09:54]

xris:

SarahEmm: verizon does 15/2, 5/5 and 30/5

[21:09:54]

SarahEmm:

of course, they won't let you use it all for data right now

[21:09:57]

SarahEmm:

nice

[21:10:08]

th1:

btw I replied to the answer on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:PCI_Latency

[21:10:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

SarahEmm: I was in comcast hell before FiOS became available... they claimed 6Mbps down, but it was more like .6Mbps...

[21:10:15]

SarahEmm:

*nods*

[21:10:18]

th1:

if someone wants to incorporate on the Article page feel free

[21:10:29]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: wow. my 6M comcast line gets me 8.2 :)

[21:10:32]

th1:

and I meant of course I replied to the question on the talk page ;)

[21:10:33]

xris:

then again, I have a business line.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: When I first got comcast in aprox 1997, it was advertised as 1.5Mbps, and it was true. Over the years, it got worse and worse... and when they jumped to from 4Mbps to 6Mbps to compete with FiOS, it all hit the fan....

[21:12:44]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: that's because your neighbors all got comcast, too.

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th1:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: That, and the fact that their network couldn't handle the 'overnight' upgrade of 2Mbps per user...

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th1:

J-e-f-f-A, here in the UK when they advertised 1.5MBps it was like 1MBps.. now they advertise 10MBps and it's actually peaking at something like 12! :)

[21:15:15]

xris:

th1: that's cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

th1: Yep. Same here... I can do a speed test and see > 15Mbps here too... Now if all the web sites on the other end of the line would just catch up!!!

[21:15:37]

th1:

heh yeah :)

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xris:

I'm happy with my 6 (8.2)... just upgraded from way-to-far-from-CO dsl this week

[21:18:03]

scamp:

: gives Ivor a huge hug as he gets sound working! :-)

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scamp:

Ivor: I managed to get it to work with ALSA – found that it was "ALSA:default" and "default" that I needed. I'll test it further and stick a note on the Wiki

[21:18:53]

ivor:

scamp: nice one.

[21:19:03]

** scamp grins **

[21:19:18]

scamp:

Right – the really serious challenge! ;-)

[21:19:56]

scamp:

I've got a Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T-USB2 capture card on a Debian Linux 2.6.15 machine. I've managed to install the DVB drivers OK and load the firmware into the card, but I get "no frontend" in dmesg.

[21:20:13]

scamp:

This means that I can't actually capture anything from the device as it's the frontend I need to talk to.

[21:20:26]

scamp:

Anyone got even the slightest clue how I would go about fixing this?

[21:20:59]

scamp:

Someone I spoke to suspected that it was a problem related to i2c as the dvb-usb driver wasn't picking up the MAC address of the device properly.

[21:21:34]

ivor:

no idea about usb capture cards. have you loaded all the dvb modules.

[21:22:14]

scamp:

Ivor: Yup, and it's picked up the firmware properly.

[21:23:01]

scamp:

Everything looks to load properly, including the frontend modules, it's just that the device doesn't attach to the frontend and I think that the driver isn't detecting the box properly.

[21:24:08]

scamp:

It's extremely frustrating. I bought the thing a week ago in the belief that it should "just work" – unfortunately this one doesn't :-(

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SlicerDicer-:

god I love mythtv

[21:25:20]

SlicerDicer-:

able to watch HDTV on sdtv

[21:28:13]

SlicerDicer-:

Discovery HD on my SDTV :) considering they have cool programming I am excited hehe

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I just want discovery hd over ieee1394 to my PJ :)

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SarahEmm:

pyjamas?

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mmead:

SarahEmm: Projector

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: :)

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SarahEmm:

ahh

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SarahEmm:

that makes more sense than watching TV on your pyjamas :)

[21:33:55]

ivor:

oh I don't know....

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kayelem:

pyjamas woven from EL string... hmm...

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** kayelem files patent... <g> **

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kormoc:

kayelem, figure out how to make it display right, toss a few nanocamera around, and there's your stealth suit!

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SarahEmm:

hehe

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Evo|Immortal:

I accidentally put the wrong password in for my mysql database, can anyone tell me how to reconfigure mythtv with the correct password?

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scamp:

Evo: Do you want to change the password in MySQL or simply tell Myth to use the new password?

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Evo|Immortal:

tell myth to use a new password

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm SarahEmm mythtv pj's BRILLIANT!!

[21:43:17]

SlicerDicer-:

watch mythtv with your mythtv pj's!

[21:43:21]

mchou:

scamp: with hauppauge nothing is "just works"

[21:43:34]

scamp:

mchou: I'm just too naive I s'pose.

[21:43:52]

mchou:

scamp: you're lucky if hauppauge doesnt change something wk to wk.

[21:43:55]

scamp:

mchou: Could you recommend a suitable alternative?

[21:44:11]

mchou:

scamp: sorry, not in dvb-land myself

[21:44:14]

scamp:

mchou: That's what I'm thinking has happened here. I think that there's something "different" about the tuner in the box.

[21:44:35]

mchou:

scamp: that wouldnt surprise me one bit

[21:44:54]

mchou:

scamp: open up the box, take a good pic :)

[21:45:03]

scamp:

Evo: In the frontend, go into Setup then General. You can change the password there.

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mchou:

scamp: you might be also use lsusb the superverbose option......

[21:46:03]

scamp:

I've considered attacking the thing with a hammer so far ;-)

[21:46:05]

mchou:

able to*

[21:46:33]

scamp:

lsusb returns the same device IDs as those that are "known working" – I don't know where to go from there,.

[21:47:13]

mchou:

scamp: weird.

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** scamp ponders whether or not he can find the output of someone else's "lsusb -v" somwewhere on the interweb **

[21:47:40]

mchou:

scamp: or try a different version firmware :)

[21:47:42]

scamp:

It's distinctly odd.

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SlicerDicer-:

well mmead add that up as a issue for 64bit too heh

[21:47:58]

scamp:

AFAIK, there is only one version of the firmware :-)

[21:48:48]

mchou:

scamp: what's supposed to be the frontend in the hauppauge dvb?

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: I cant get it to finish the apt-get because I screwed up the password

[21:49:36]

cliffd:

can you run any of the socket 939 amd chips with only a heat sink?

[21:49:43]

SlicerDicer-:

mmead: it was unable to watch HDTV through a SDTV with 64bit and you can with 32bit

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scamp:

Evo: Ah! I seem to recall that they're stored somewhere... I'll have to have a look

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SlicerDicer-:

mmead: I think thats a xvmc problem with 64bit as I was reading about that yesterday I think

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mchou:

cliffd: there have been stories of fanless a64

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scamp:

mchou: alledgedly the DiBcom 3000P

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mchou:

cliffd: but why bother?? my a64 at idle runs the stock fan at <1000rpm

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: okay now it says the password isnt right, but it is...

[21:51:28]

cliffd:

mchou: in order to go fanless id need to find an older like 1ghz or 800 mhz something like that yeah.

[21:51:40]

cliffd:

mchou: oh.

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: I have the correct user/password for root now and it stills says incorrect user/password

[21:51:52]

scamp:

Evo: take a look at /var/cache/debconf/password.day

[21:52:09]

scamp:

Sorry.. that should be "/var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat"

[21:52:10]

cliffd:

mchou: how do you get that working in linux? my fan seems to run at full speed on my 3000+

[21:52:26]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: there is a thermaltake solution

[21:52:28]

SlicerDicer-:

for fanless

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: its empty

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scamp:

Evo: Did you use packages to install the mythtv backend?

[21:52:34]

SlicerDicer-:

I been looking at it and it looks pretty cool

[21:52:50]

mchou:

cliffd: that depends on your mobo bios

[21:52:59]

scamp:

Evo: My inclination would be to uninstall and reinstall it, if this is your first install.

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mchou:

cliffd: gotta have bios fan speed throttling

[21:53:20]

scamp:

Use apt-get remove -P mythtv

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/4in1heatpi . . . cl-p0071.htm

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Evo|Immortal:

-P is unknown

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Evo|Immortal:

all i did was apt-get install mythtv

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cliffd:

mchou: thanks :) do you use cool n quite

[21:54:02]

mchou:

cliffd: but powerd and cpufreqd are also indispensible

[21:54:08]

Evo|Immortal:

then it asked for the root password to mysql

[21:54:21]

Evo|Immortal:

i typed it wrong the first time but right the second time

[21:54:23]

Evo|Immortal:

but it doesnt work

[21:54:30]

cliffd:

mchou: cool thanks.

[21:54:30]

mchou:

cliffd: CnQ is the best thing for desktops since sliced bread :)

[21:54:50]

SarahEmm:

what is CnQ?

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cliffd:

yeah, where in the kernel do you turn that on in the APCI section?

[21:54:53]

cliffd:

cool n quite

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cliffd:

its speed steep for AMD

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scamp:

Evo: Try apt-get remove --purge mythtv mythtv-database

[21:55:02]

cliffd:

step

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SarahEmm:

ahh :)

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: okay removed

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mchou:

cliffd: those are modules in conjunction with some userspace stuff

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scamp:

Evo: Now do a reinstall with apt-get

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Evo|Immortal:

apt-get install mythtv correct?

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cliffd:

ill do some looking thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

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scamp:

Anyone here encountered a problem with an "Invalid File" for the ringbuffer on LiveTV? (I'm not using NFS, just a local disk)

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scamp:

Evo: Yes

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mchou:

cliffd: google powernowd and cpufreq

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mchou:

cliffd: there are others too but those are most simple to setup and use

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Evo|Immortal:

wow i got it yay thanks scamp

[21:58:05]

mchou:

cliffd: also quite fool-proof too

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Evo|Immortal:

btw how hard is it to get the TV display working on a Nvidia?

[21:58:30]

scamp:

Evo: Great :)

[22:01:04]

scamp:

Evo: I've not got one myself, but I've heard them mentioned (with affection) a great deal on the mailing list. I suggest that you do a few websearches and look in the mailing list archive.

[22:01:29]

Evo|Immortal:

k

[22:01:41]

Evo|Immortal:

scamp what does "could not connect to the master backend server mean?

[22:02:11]

scamp:

Evo: It means that the frontend can't contact the backend. Do you have the backend process running (use "ps -ef|grep myth")

[22:02:41]

scamp:

You also need to check that the frontend has the right configuration. To into Setup then General and check the backend server IP address

[22:03:15]

Evo|Immortal:

I have 3 mythfrontend's and a grep myth

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Evo|Immortal:

running

[22:03:20]

Evo|Immortal:

so i guess no backend?

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cliffd:

mchou: thanks again.

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mchou:

cliffd: you got it running? :)

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JeffH:

afternoon.

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Evo|Immortal:

i typed mythbackend and it says no setting found for this machines backendserverIP

[22:06:48]

Evo|Immortal:

how do i set it?

[22:08:11]

JeffH:

anyone know where I can find a good review of mini-atx motherboards?

[22:09:00]

scamp:

3 frontends? That doesn't sound right!

[22:09:25]

scamp:

Evo: You need to run "mythtv-setup" to configure the backend. Are you using Debian?

[22:10:08]

cliffd:

mchou: not yet. still reading and looking at the bios

[22:10:32]

mchou:

cliffd: what mobo you got?

[22:10:35]

Evo|Immortal:

but the master is going to be my computer

[22:10:40]

Evo|Immortal:

so i leave it how it is correct?

[22:11:14]

cliffd:

mchou: on my fileserver I have the asus A85nx with nforce 4 but I havent bought the board for the front end yet

[22:11:26]

cliffd:

mchou: looking at mini/micro ATX

[22:11:28]

scamp:

Evo: Are you running everything (backend & frontend) on the same machine?

[22:11:33]

cliffd:

mchou: any suggestions

[22:11:49]

mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I've not been using xvmc...

[22:12:00]

JeffH:

cliffd: have you found any good review sites for micro/mini atx mobos?

[22:12:02]

Evo|Immortal:

scamp yes

[22:12:12]

scamp:

JeffH: I wouldn't recommend the VIA EPIA MII-10000. I've got one and it's nothing but trouble.

[22:12:24]

JeffH:

good to know.

[22:12:38]

mchou:

cliffd: I'm no expert on mATX

[22:12:49]

scamp:

Evo: In mythtv-setup you just need to put in the IP address of your the machine – or 127.0.0.1 if you just want to use loopback

[22:12:50]

mchou:

dont have any mATX here :)

[22:13:04]

cliffd:

JeffH: j-e-f-f-a gave me miniitx.com but I havent started looking for the mobo yet really. I just figured out what card and video card and case, mobo comes next.

[22:13:23]

JeffH:

gotcha.. thanks.

[22:13:25]

scamp:

JeffH: They're great on paper, but there seems to be a BIOS bug that causes it to lock up occasionally. VIA keep releasing new BIOSes, but the problem doesn't seem to be fixed.

[22:13:26]

cliffd:

er, mini-itx.com

[22:13:54]

cliffd:

JeffH: Ive done nothing but read bad things about the via stuff

[22:13:59]

mchou:

cliffd: turn on Asus Q-fan on your server, also CnQ

[22:14:00]

cliffd:

with regards to mythtv

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp no channels definded in the database

[22:14:13]

cliffd:

mchou: thats in the bios yeah? let me check

[22:14:19]

mchou:

cliffd: then install powernowd and cpufreqd

[22:14:29]

mchou:

then enjoy silence :)

[22:14:35]

JeffH:

cliff: about what stuff?

[22:15:03]

mchou:

cliffd: when my comp cold boots my fan speed is <800 rpm :)

[22:15:06]

cliffd:

mchou: no silence on this box I have 6 fans

[22:15:17]

cliffd:

mchou: where do you find this rpm info

[22:15:25]

mchou:

cliffd: 6?? that's an overkill

[22:15:36]

cliffd:

JeffH: mainly the via graphics cards and via chipset based mobo

[22:15:44]

SlicerDicer-:

mmead: xvmc rocks!

[22:15:53]

mmead:

SlicerDicer-: heh

[22:15:57]

cliffd:

mchou: I have 8 drives

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scamp:

Evo: You need to configure your capture card, video sources, inputs then channels. I suggest that you take a look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index & ndash; particularly the bits about the backend

[22:16:23]

mchou:

cliffd: under bios, Power, management, system monitoring, something like that

[22:16:34]

Evo|Immortal:

scamp: reading now thanks

[22:16:36]

cliffd:

mchou: more concerned with setting up the stuff on the front end but I will test/figure it out now on the server

[22:16:41]

cliffd:

mchou: thanks.

[22:17:59]

mchou:

cliffd: how much total storage on those 8 drives?

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cliffd:

mchou: 1.8 tb of raid 5

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cliffd:

mchou: after format

[22:21:06]

cliffd:

and I was wrong, only 5 fans

[22:21:11]

mchou:

cliffd: hehe. You hosting lots of pr0n? :)

[22:21:30]

cliffd:

mchou: my addiction of choice is music. only about 100gb of pr0n ;)

[22:21:45]

Evo|Immortal:

scamp I dont see how to setup my tv card i found the options in myth-setup but i dont see how to do it on this page

[22:22:14]

cliffd:

so I turned on q-fan my cpu temp is 39c, mb temp 33c and my cpu fan is 3200 rpm

[22:22:23]

cliffd:

this is all still in bios

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mchou:

cliffd: you also need the SW

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mchou:

fan is not going to trottle down uless cpu aint going full speed :)

[22:23:48]

cliffd:

mchou: oh. duh. thanks

[22:24:02]

cliffd:

mchou: ok, so also i need to turn on CnQ

[22:24:18]

mchou:

yup

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: I dont know what kind of capure card im configuring and i cant find anything on the page u linked me

[22:25:13]

scamp:

What sort of video capture card have you bought?

[22:25:31]

cliffd:

you know what sad, all these drives and a busted raidmax fan is the loudest thing in this case

[22:26:18]

Evo|Immortal:

For my tv?

[22:26:23]

Evo|Immortal:

I have an older Happuage

[22:26:35]

scamp:

Exactly which model?

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Evo|Immortal:

let me look

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Evo|Immortal:

1 second please

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mchou:

cliffd: fro a front end get an mac mini

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mchou:

for *

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cliffd:

ive heard that

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cliffd:

I wana make it a pvr/mame combo

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mchou:

cliffd: lol

[22:29:52]

cliffd:

so id rather stick with gentoo and all the work associated

[22:29:58]

** SarahEmm uses an xbox for a frontend, works well **

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mchou:

cliffd: you can run windows on macs now :)

[22:30:10]

cliffd:

and ?

[22:30:34]

cliffd:

have to run work actually want me to work. thanks for the help mchou

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: Happauge 44801 Rev c310

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Evo|Immortal:

WinTV

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JeffH:

anyone know if MSI has a micro/mini atx offering?

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Evo|Immortal:

scamp: I think I figured it out myself it scanned and found all the channels I am provided with

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kormoc:

JeffH, could check their website and they likely do

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mmead:

it will be interesting to see how well the intel mac mini does running linux with a frontend on it

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mmead:

in mac os x it works pretty well for me, except for some 1080i content from one of the stations here

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kormoc:

mmead, you have one?

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scamp:

Evo: Well done :-)

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Evo|Immortal:

so how do i run the backend

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Evo|Immortal:

:x

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Evo|Immortal:

lol

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mmead:

kormoc: yeah, but no plans to abandon os x

[22:38:12]

kormoc:

mmead, wimp ;)

[22:38:20]

mmead:

I want it to "just work"

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scamp:

Evo: Are you running Debian?

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mmead:

unlike the endless tweaking associated with me running linux :)

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Evo|Immortal:

yes

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scamp:

"/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start" should do the trick

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Evo|Immortal:

mythbackend is already running

[22:39:28]

Evo|Immortal:

hrm

[22:39:33]

Evo|Immortal:

oh

[22:39:37]

Evo|Immortal:

wait no..

[22:39:41]

Evo|Immortal:

it says its runninb

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Evo|Immortal:

but when i run mythv it still says it cant find the backend

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scamp:

Try "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart"

[22:40:08]

scamp:

Then "ps -ef |grep myth

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scamp:

You should see the mythbackend process

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Evo|Immortal:

you said to leave the IP default if I just want to run it on this computer correct?

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scamp:

Assuming that the default is 127.0.0.1 – then yes

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Evo|Immortal:

okay

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Evo|Immortal:

filed

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Evo|Immortal:

Failed: Could not open network socket

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Evo|Immortal:

what does that mean x.x

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scamp:

Does it give any more information than that?

[22:43:15]

scamp:

Do you have a log file in /var/log with more details?

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Juski:

well, that'll be the last time I look at files on a disc a new guy at work gives me :-O

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** Juski barfs **

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Evo|Immortal:

thats all it says Session managament error

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ivor:

Juski: oh dear.

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** scamp hands Juski a moist towelette **

[22:44:32]

ivor:

a Gary Glitter moment?

[22:44:43]

Juski:

cheers. was just flicking through this avi file.. turns out it's a film called 'hostel'

[22:45:04]

laga:

hi ju

[22:45:16]

Juski:

gratuitous torture scene – what looked kinda like a live dissection

[22:45:20]

Juski:

hey laga

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Evo|Immortal:

sn ps -ef|grep myth shows nothing

[22:45:36]

Evo|Immortal:

and*

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ivor:

Juski: nice. fun family entertainment.

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ivor:

whoa. just looking at a review. oh dear.

[22:47:01]

Evo|Immortal:

You guys never heard of hostel?

[22:47:05]

Evo|Immortal:

That movie was great :)

[22:47:33]

ivor:

Juski: that the scene? http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/gallery/phot . . . e=684/25.jpg

[22:47:52]

Evo|Immortal:

I am going to see Silent Hill today

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Evo|Immortal:

:)

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** scamp starts feeling queasy **

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Juski:

I didn't get that far into it, but that's the idea

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kormoc:

ivor, what's more destrubing is that just looks like I attempted to cook dinner...

[22:48:27]

ivor:

Evo|Immortal: nope. but this morning we were discussing the relative merits of Mrs Doubtfire, Tootsie and Victor Victoria.

[22:48:42]

Evo|Immortal:

ivor lol

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RuisHome:

i'm having problems getting mythtv to adjust my audio. alsamixer shows i've got one card, but two speakers. changing the default speaker doesn't do anything, but the second speaker adjust the volume. how do i get myth to use the second speaker channel?

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kormoc:

Juski, then you might want to stay away from a movie called May. It caused me to have to pause it and to walk it off a bit, and hostel didn't even make me blink

[22:49:06]

Juski:

looks far too sick & gory just for the sake of it, so I'll give it a miss

[22:49:24]

Evo|Immortal:

as sweet as movies are guys

[22:49:45]

Evo|Immortal:

what does 'Session management error: Could not open network socket' mean?

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Juski:

have been a fan of James Patterson books for ages & found some stuff only slightly disturbing, but that takes the biscuit

[22:50:14]

Juski:

Evo|Immortal: probably that mythbackend couldnt bind itself to the right IP address

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** Evo|Immortal waves goodbye to the biscuit **

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Evo|Immortal:

Juski umm I have it so this machine should be the backend and frontend so the IP is the computer its on... why would it have a problem :x

[22:51:13]

Juski:

erm I dunno

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Evo|Immortal:

Juski neither do I so I demand support in this issue

[22:51:31]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski :p

[22:51:33]

Juski:

did you compile myth yourself?

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dtm:

cd/win 11

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Juski:

demanding support? LOL.. in here?! ROFL

[22:51:52]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski Just kidding :p

[22:52:03]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski OR AM I!!??!?!??111

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Evo|Immortal:

:P

[22:52:21]

Evo|Immortal:

Im so close though it already found all my TV channels and everything

[22:52:36]

Juski:

yeh well nobody here is tied to a chair AFAIK and you ain't holding a scalpel in your hand, so I think we're safe

[22:52:43]

Evo|Immortal:

lol

[22:53:04]

Evo|Immortal:

I like to type with scalpels in my hands....

[22:53:04]

kormoc:

Juski, crap, I knew I shouldn't have agreeded to the chained to the desk with a scalpel to the head management style...

[22:53:21]

Juski:

heh

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Evo|Immortal:

should i just try changing the ports?

[22:53:31]

Evo|Immortal:

or what

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Juski:

if it could bind to the socket it would usually mean it's already running

[22:54:10]

Juski:

*couldn't

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Evo|Immortal:

Like currently I have

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Evo|Immortal:

Ip : 127.0.0.1 port: 6543 | port ofr status: 6544 | master ip: 127.0.0.1 port: 6543

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Juski:

looks about right

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Evo|Immortal:

but it still says could not open network socket

[22:55:59]

Juski:

and the ps -ef |grep mythtv bit didn't show anything, right?

[22:56:08]

pembo13:

how do i change mythtv's duplicate policy

[22:56:11]

Evo|Immortal:

and its not alreayd running

[22:56:12]

Evo|Immortal:

no

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pembo13:

?

[22:57:08]

JeffH:

I haven't kept up with computer hardware lately.. what's the difference between socket 939 and socket 754?

[22:57:49]

mmead:

socket 939 has a better future, socket 754 is pretty much at end of life I think

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JeffH:

okay, that's good to know.

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Evo|Immortal:

So its not running

[22:58:23]

Evo|Immortal:

And it wont run

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Evo|Immortal:

Whats the problem :x

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Juski:

Evo|Immortal: you didn't answer my question before – did you compile mythtv yourself?

[22:59:05]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski Yes

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JeffH:

can a 'regular' PCI card be put in a PCI Express slot?

[22:59:16]

Juski:

no errors during compiling?

[22:59:16]

mmead:

JeffH: but 754 could be a lot cheaper if you don't plan to ever put say an athlon64 x2 on the board

[22:59:23]

mmead:

JeffH: no

[22:59:31]

Juski:

JeffH: no – but it can be put into a PCI-X slot

[22:59:33]

Evo|Immortal:

juski at least i did apt-get install mythtv ?

[22:59:44]

Evo|Immortal:

juski or do you mean did i make the dir etc etc etc i didnt do that

[22:59:52]

Juski:

Evo|Immortal: not the same thing as compiling it yourself ;-)

[23:00:13]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski okay then i didnt :)

[23:00:16]

JeffH:

mmead: that's a good point. with a mythtv box being somewhat dedicated not sure I'd ever really update the hardware.

[23:00:22]

Juski:

anyway it shouldn't have any missing components

[23:00:34]

mmead:

JeffH: I will likely put an X2 in mine when they drop in price considerably

[23:01:03]

mmead:

JeffH: but that could be 18–24 months

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Juski:

Evo|Immortal: next thing – did the apt-get install grab every dependency?

[23:01:30]

Evo|Immortal:

juski I guess? how would i konw lol

[23:01:49]

Juski:

got Qt? got the mysql libs for Qt ?

[23:01:56]

Juski:

following a howto guide?

[23:02:13]

mmead:

I'm wondering if setting up this deb32 chroot makes any difference at all – the firewire module will still be 64 bit in the kernel

[23:02:25]

JeffH:

why? seems a 64bit is probably too much for a myth box as it is.

[23:02:31]

Evo|Immortal:

juski yes i just did apt-get install mythtv and it says everything is there

[23:02:37]

Evo|Immortal:

juski then i did apt-get build-dep mythtv

[23:02:38]

kormoc:

JeffH, transcoding is much faster in 64 bit then 32

[23:02:38]

Evo|Immortal:

same

[23:02:39]

mmead:

JeffH: yes, I have tons of issues I'm trying to work out

[23:02:55]

Zider:

is the connector for 2,5" sata disks the same as for 3,5" sata?

[23:03:05]

kormoc:

Zider, should be

[23:03:09]

mmead:

JeffH: I may decide just to run i386

[23:03:11]

Juski:

Zider: not heard of mini-sata

[23:03:21]

mmead:

JeffH: if it runs myth better, I guess I'll take the 40% hit

[23:03:22]

Juski:

so I guess sata is sata, is sata

[23:03:33]

kormoc:

Zider, there's powered sata connectors and standard sata connectors afaik

[23:03:39]

Zider:

mkay

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Evo|Immortal:

Juski i dont know if i have qt

[23:04:12]

stealth:

mmead, hey i got the header files setup for the sa3250ch.c but .. when I compile it I still get an error: sa3250ch.c:123: error: `AVC1394_SUBUNIT_TYPE_PANEL' undeclared (first use in this function) ?

[23:04:13]

AngryElf:

there's an interesting article at slashdot right now about why making Tivo was so difficult: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/04/21/1716250.shtml

[23:04:21]

Zider:

just thinking if I can stuff any old sata disk in my mediacenter or if it has to be a 3,5".. :P

[23:04:37]

Zider:

otoh, a sata disk probably handles recordings better tho ;P

[23:04:38]

Evo|Immortal:

Juski in fact i dont know what Qt is or ifi h ave mysql libs for it but i figure i do :x

[23:04:46]

Zider:

a3,5" sata disk even

[23:04:50]

mmead:

stealth: your compile line does not include a path with a -I switch that properly includes the avc1394 headers

[23:04:57]

JeffH:

okay.. forgive my ignorance again.. what's the difference between Athlon 64 and Sempron?

[23:05:50]

kormoc:

JeffH, semprons on the low end are not 64 bit iirc, and they are considered the 'value' line for amd, iirc

[23:05:50]

mmead:

JeffH: if it's a 64 bit sempron, probably just cache sizes

[23:05:59]

stealth:

mmead, yea I do.. cc -o sa3250ch sa3250ch.c -lrom1394 -lavc1394 -l/usr/include/libavc1394/

[23:06:03]

mmead:

JeffH: I think they are only making 64 bit sempron parts now

[23:06:11]

mmead:

JeffH: but there are some older 32 bit ones

[23:06:15]

JeffH:

aah.. okay.. so in other words.. stay away.

[23:06:31]

kormoc:

JeffH, AMD semprons are to a64 as intel celerons are to the pentium line

[23:06:44]

JeffH:

yeah.

[23:06:45]

mmead:

stealth: hmm... figure out why it's missing that define – you'll need to search the includes for it and check out why it's not defined when the compiler runs

[23:07:02]

kormoc:

JeffH, tho, I run a celeron in my mythbox, and it's fine, but that's because I use a hardware encoder

[23:07:06]

stealth:

the define IS in the .c file..

[23:07:11]

stealth:

its weird

[23:07:43]

Zider:

I run a celeron in my mythbox, and it software encodes just fine..

[23:08:09]

mmead:

nothing wrong with a sempron

[23:08:15]

Zider:

the bottleneck is my hard drive.. :P

[23:08:20]

** SarahEmm runs a celeron software encoding too **

[23:08:24]

mmead:

just purchase based on your purchase price : performance comfort zone

[23:08:25]

kormoc:

Zider, well, I'd run a slightly more powerful cpu to use a software encoder, as I commflag and transcode

[23:08:47]

SarahEmm:

i'm pondering upgrading to a -250... we'll see

[23:08:54]

JeffH:

has AGP gone away with the advent of PCI Express?

[23:09:02]

Zider:

JeffH: more or less, yes

[23:09:02]

kormoc:

Zider, the 2.13 ghz celeron gives me 4 fps in transcodings under no load, I hate to think how slow it would be under load

[23:09:26]

kormoc:

JeffH, yeah, they're still making a agp card now and again, but it'll get rarer more so in the future

[23:09:30]

Zider:

kormoc: uhm.. I have a 2,6GHz here.. dunno how many fps it does tho.

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JeffH:

so if I get a 939 socket board with PCI Express then I'm committing to a PCI Express video card which is probably going to be more expensive.

[23:09:57]

Zider:

I'll do hardware encoding once I get a new tv card tho

[23:10:07]

mmead:

my mac mini duo core will transcode NTSC resolution at 60fps to 1500Kbit mpeg4

[23:10:07]

kormoc:

Zider, my 2.4 ghz p4 used ~ 40% cpu to software encode, so I figure that almost doubles the transcode time

[23:10:22]

kormoc:

mmead, with denoise?

[23:10:24]

mmead:

JeffH: actually, they are cheaper usually

[23:10:33]

mmead:

kormoc: no, just deinterlacing

[23:10:37]

riddlebox:

can someone tell me what device my fm tuner would be if I have a pvr500? I tried /dev/radio and /dev/radio0 but neither work

[23:10:43]

JeffH:

hm.. are there any PCI Express capture cards that are supported by Linux?

[23:10:46]

mmead:

kormoc: usually for pushing to ipod video

[23:10:46]

kormoc:

JeffH, good ones run $100 or so, not too bad at all

[23:11:02]

mmead:

JeffH: your capture cards are going to be mostly PCI

[23:11:05]

mmead:

JeffH: or USB

[23:11:06]

kormoc:

mmead, yeah, just normal deinterlacing my celeron gets about 20 fps, it's the denoise that kills it.

[23:11:25]

JeffH:

mmead: so then that rules out even getting a PCI Express based board.

[23:11:32]

kormoc:

JeffH, why?

[23:11:45]

mmead:

JeffH: I have heard that nvidia linux pcie isn't quite there yet

[23:11:46]

Zider:

JeffH: pci-express boards have normal pci slots as well

[23:11:58]

kormoc:

JeffH, you tend to get one or two 16x pci-e slots, and maybe 1 or two 1x pci-e slots and 2 to 4 pci slots

[23:11:59]

mmead:

JeffH: but I have heard nothing "concrete," just anecdotal

[23:12:01]

Zider:

mmead: nvidia pci-express works just fine

[23:12:04]

JeffH:

oh, they do?

[23:12:05]

mmead:

Zider: really?

[23:12:11]

kormoc:

JeffH, yeah, they do

[23:12:15]

Zider:

mmead: I'm running a GF6600GT here

[23:12:23]

mmead:

Zider: what driver version?

[23:12:33]

mmead:

JeffH: get a board with 5 pci slots + your agp/pcie

[23:12:43]

kormoc:

mmead, I'm running a 6800 GS pci-e

[23:12:55]

Zider:

mmead: 1.0–8756

[23:13:00]

mmead:

Zider: cool

[23:13:01]

kormoc:

mmead, works with 7676+, best with 8756

[23:13:10]

mmead:

kormoc, Zider thanks

[23:13:29]

kormoc:

mmead, just stay away from tubbocache videocards and you're golden

[23:13:31]

JeffH:

mmead: I'm planning on getting a mini-atx board.. not sure any of them wll have that many slots.

[23:13:33]

mmead:

kormoc: the mac mini duo core is pretty nifty – it is silent almost all the time unless I really make it crank on transcoding or such

[23:13:38]

mmead:

JeffH: ahh, I see

[23:13:50]

mmead:

I have a unique situation – I stuff my myth box into a closet, no noise escapes :)

[23:13:53]

kormoc:

mmead, yeah, I keep pondering getting one when I switch to firewire capture

[23:14:02]

Zider:

has anyone tried getting a GF6200 to run without a fan?

[23:14:07]

kormoc:

mmead, then my plans will be the mini as the backend and frontend

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mmead:

kormoc: I'll be interested to hear how it goes

[23:14:17]

kormoc:

Zider, get the silent cooler and sure, it works

[23:14:27]

mmead:

kormoc: I like using mac os x enough to not want to "waste" it on my pvr :)

[23:14:31]

kormoc:

Zider, my 6200 came fanless

[23:14:32]

JeffH:

the problem I see with this card I'm looking at now is it has 2 pci slots.. that limits me to two tuners at some point down the road.

[23:14:41]

mmead:

Zider: my 6200 is fanless too

[23:14:42]

Zider:

kormoc: good.. I'll probably upgrade to one of those then..

[23:15:01]

mmead:

Zider: not that my 97% cpu for 720p is any glowing recommendation

[23:15:04]

Zider:

kormoc: I can do with the gf2mx for now, but I can'? get it to go over 640x480..

[23:15:04]

kormoc:

Zider, msi is the one I got, nice card, I'd recommend it, at $55 or so

[23:15:12]

mmead:

Zider: however, it worked perfectly in my k7/1733mhz

[23:15:23]

Zider:

mmead: hehe.. I won't do any hdtv tho..

[23:15:29]

JeffH:

kormoc: MSI Motherboard?

[23:15:29]

mmead:

Zider: ahh

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris I had a idea I dont know how hard it would be to implement I have been thinking of doing it myself

[23:15:39]

kormoc:

JeffH, msi video card

[23:15:40]

pembo13:

how do i change the duplicate policy of mythtv

[23:15:40]

pembo13:

?

[23:15:46]

JeffH:

ah

[23:16:05]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: ?

[23:16:07]

JeffH:

kormoc: was it you the other day telling me I should go with a digital tuner?

[23:16:08]

mmead:

pembo13: recording settings

[23:16:21]

xris:

JeffH: you mean firewire?

[23:16:43]

SlicerDicer-:

but anyway I was thinking you inspired me to record recipes on food network but anyway... I am was wondering how hard it would be to add a feature to mythweb to be able to search by channel so I could say search 'food network' and so forth or search by category such as 'food'

[23:16:44]

** mmead is trying to forget about firewire for a while :) **

[23:17:04]

JeffH:

I thought tuner.. but I might have misunderstood.. someone was suggesting I get a STB and I thought a digital tuner.

[23:17:08]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: not hard. code's already there for most of it. just needs an interface

[23:17:27]

kormoc:

JeffH, that was mchou, and he recommended that you get a digital tuner from comcast and capture via firewire, aye

[23:17:28]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[23:17:41]

Zider:

does anyone know how to calculate max resolution/refresh rates from a pixel clock value?

[23:17:50]

JeffH:

ooh.. the digital tuner is in the STB.

[23:18:00]

kormoc:

Zider, there are formulas if you google

[23:18:07]

kormoc:

Zider, and cards should tell you anyway

[23:18:08]

JeffH:

that would mean I'd need a firewire port

[23:18:26]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: I will look at it :) Although I will admit my work with php has been very small hehe

[23:18:51]

Zider:

kormoc: well, I get the pixel clock from xorgs log, but it seems like it should be able to do higher resolutions than the ones I get..

[23:18:55]

JeffH:

that could end up being cheaper too.

[23:19:17]

kormoc:

JeffH, just $10 a month over digital cable from comcast

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kormoc:

($5 for HD, and $5 for the box)

[23:19:45]

Juski:

whoah that's cheap!

[23:19:52]

JeffH:

Idon't even have digital cable right now.

[23:19:55]

mmead:

wow, just $5 total here

[23:20:16]

mchou:

JeffH: you dont need digital cable

[23:20:32]

mmead:

I hope they don't 5c more here – it's cool to be able to get movies off the encore channels

[23:20:33]

Juski:

$ky TV want like Â£10 a month for HD, plus Â£399 for the PVR, plus about Â£30+ worth of other subs

[23:20:34]

kormoc:

ooh, that's for a second box, sorry

[23:20:42]

mchou:

you get local HDTV station if you get the STB for $5

[23:20:46]

mmead:

kormoc: ahh

[23:20:50]

mmead:

mchou: yes

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xris:

mmead: digital comes with one box.. $5 for a second box, and then $5 more to upgrade either box to HD

[23:24:42]

riddlebox:

does anyone know what the fm tuner will be in the /dev/ of a pvr500?

[23:24:54]

kormoc:

riddlebox, radio0?

[23:25:07]

riddlebox:

kormoc, I have tried and it doesnt work

[23:25:19]

kormoc:

well, that's likely what it should be

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mchou:

check this out: http://www.seagate.com/pdf/marketing/po_barracuda_7200_10.pdf

[23:26:31]

wega_:

i know!

[23:26:35]

wega_:

lots of video

[23:26:52]

** Juski will soon be receiving 4 of them **

[23:27:04]

Juski:

to erm (ahem) evaluate at work :-P

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wega_:

too bad juski

[23:27:31]

wega_:

are they on the market?

[23:27:37]

Juski:

not yet

[23:27:41]

wega_:

didnt think so

[23:27:48]

wega_:

price expectations?

[23:27:52]

Juski:

we'll get them at work to look at juuust before they go on sale

[23:28:06]

Juski:

expensive... like about $400 or something

[23:28:32]

wega_:

geez, but it is about the price of getting 4 200 G

[23:28:47]

Juski:

didn't see the quote we got, but if we wanna sell 3TB DVRs, the customer will pay

[23:29:09]

wega_:

geez, HD?

[23:29:20]

Juski:

CCTV DVRs, so erm.. no

[23:30:02]

wega_:

cc?

[23:30:46]

Juski:

don't like their projected ARR though – 0.3% Maxtor who we already use, have ARR of 0.1% and they don't even get near that. go figure

[23:30:57]

kormoc:

wega_, Close circuit television

[23:31:04]

Juski:

CCTV – closed circuit TV – i.e. security cameras

[23:31:10]

JeffH:

Is the GeForce 6100 chipset well supported in Linux?

[23:31:12]

wega_:

ahhhh

[23:31:39]

wega_:

Jeff, try #nvidia

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kormoc:

JeffH, first of all, don't call videocards chipsets, it's easily confused with the nforce boards which do use chipsets.

[23:31:45]

Zider:

JeffH: all geforce chipsets from, say, gf2 and up, are well supported

[23:32:00]

Zider:

well, gfx chips

[23:32:02]

Juski:

in the binary nvidia driver at least ;-)

[23:32:12]

kormoc:

JeffH, and second, like Zider said, all geforce cards from the geforce 2+ are well supported, as the driver states.

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pembo13:

mmead: I just can't find "recording settings"

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mchou:

kormoc: you're dense 6100 is a chipset

[23:33:10]

Juski:

pembo13: utilities/setup > settings > TV

[23:33:16]

pembo13:

I go from "Utilities/Setup" > "Setup" > "TV"

[23:33:20]

mmead_:

pembo13: settings on the particular recording? there are a number of strategies for selecting how it "matches"

[23:33:49]

pembo13:

ok, i best be more specific

[23:33:49]

Juski:

match subtitle, subtitle & description.. etc

[23:34:29]

pembo13:

Mythtv has decided that all stargate episodes (on SCI in the afternoon) are now repeats, although i haven't seen them

[23:34:55]

pembo13:

The message it gives is that I have to change my duplicate policy, i searched the mythtv wiki, but found nothing

[23:34:58]

mmead_:

pembo13: it probably doesn't have enough information to determine anything other than "stargate" and decides it has recorded that already

[23:34:58]

Zider:

nvidia 6100 is a gpu, included on motherboards

[23:35:10]

mmead_:

pembo13: is there a title and subtitle in the guide data?

[23:35:26]

pembo13:

mmead: sure is, it has been working perfectly up till this week

[23:35:47]

kormoc:

pembo13, so what did you do to break it? :P

[23:35:52]

mmead_:

kormoc: heh

[23:36:19]

Juski:

plot outline.. some people go through the swirly thing & shoot some baddies. someone important nearly dies, cliffhanger ending... all is well by the end of part 2 :-P

[23:36:37]

pembo13:

kormoc: I think i was just enjoying it too much

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JeffH:

wjat the heck is 'Commercial Stable Image Platform'?

[23:37:35]

JeffH:

what*

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kormoc:

google is your friend

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mmead_:

JFGI

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mmead_:

STFN

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pembo13:

JeffH: http://csip.amd.com/en/

[23:38:52]

JeffH:

sounds like something to steer clear of.

[23:40:16]

kormoc:

JeffH, cause it's a marketing term that has no meaning realistically?

[23:40:37]

JeffH:

looks like the MSI K8NGM2-FID is my choice for Mobo

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mmead:

JeffH: what chipset?

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JeffH:

GeForce 6150

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JeffH:

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . amp;class=mb

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kormoc:

it's an nforce 4 with a 6150 onboard

[23:43:30]

JeffH:

6150 being the video card?

[23:43:39]

mmead:

I know little about the nforce chipsets – do they tend to work well with linux?

[23:43:42]

kormoc:

yeah, nvidia likes to confuse things around a bit

[23:43:48]

kormoc:

mmead, they do overall, yeah

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JeffH:

is that an adequate video card for a myth box?

[23:44:07]

kormoc:

yeah

[23:44:12]

kormoc:

for SD

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JeffH:

SD?

[23:44:23]

kormoc:

Standard Def

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mmead:

unless a 6150 is significantly slower than a 5200, it should do hd too

[23:45:02]

kormoc:

mmead, it is, because it uses system ram as the video ram

[23:45:11]

mmead:

kormoc: ouch

[23:45:39]

JeffH:

hm.. so if I go with a comcast STB then the video card won't be good enough?

[23:45:48]

kormoc:

correct

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mmead:

are there any on-board video mobos that will do hd adequately?

[23:47:03]

mmead:

(other than the mac mini)

[23:47:03]

kormoc:

nope

[23:47:32]

kormoc:

mmead, I've been told by someone who should really know that the mac mini won't do hd under linux (yet)

[23:47:36]

xris:

JeffH: for HD

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xris:

plenty of non-HD stuff on firewire

[23:47:44]

mmead:

kormoc: sounds like a video driver issue

[23:47:46]

kormoc:

very true

[23:47:57]

kormoc:

mmead, with ATI, it's all video driver issues :P

[23:48:24]

mmead:

kormoc: the intel mac mini uses the intel 940

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** LLyric swears at ati drivers **

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mmead:

linux video output will be in sad shape if nvidia ever decides the return on investment isn't there

[23:50:30]

kormoc:

mmead, ahh, before they were ati chipsets I thoguth

[23:50:55]

mmead:

kormoc: G4 Mac Mini is an ati 9200

[23:50:59]

kormoc:

yeah, which is why we love nvidia, yes we do!

[23:51:04]

kormoc:

yeah, that's what I thought

[23:51:08]

mmead:

kormoc: intel mac mini is intel 940

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mmead:

kormoc: shared with system ram

[23:51:34]

kormoc:

that explains why it can't do hd under linux very well then

[23:51:36]

mmead:

kormoc: ddr2 667

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** kormoc wants a mac mini with a 6200 **

[23:52:36]

mmead:

heh

[23:52:58]

mmead:

HD works fine under mac os x

[23:53:28]

JeffH:

are there any GREAT HTPC cases?

[23:53:33]

Zider:

dammit.. can't get any modelines to work..

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LLyric:

There are lots of great cases, depends on what you need.

[23:54:48]

JeffH:

something with an LED would be cool.

[23:55:06]

LLyric:

The requirements for a straight frontend are quite different to a backend/all-in-one

[23:55:37]

LLyric:

Do some reading, there are lots of reccomendations. eg http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1900170,00.asp

[23:55:57]

LLyric:

http://www.denguru.com/2006/02/22/diy_hd_htpc . . . ganza_part1/

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