Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 20th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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AngryElf:

ok, Beirdo, lircrc was not in the output of strace mythfrontend......so when does myth access the file?

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: syntax its the most evil form of evil ever

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SlicerDicer-:

as one mistake can explode anything!

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SlicerDicer-:

such as 'rm -rfv /*' insted of well... I dont think that would be a mistake

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** Beirdo glares at his PVR **

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Beirdo:

stop being so.... FC1

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** laga ubuntus Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

sooooo tempted

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** laga gentoos Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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laga:

!trout laga

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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laga:

that felt... good.

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Beirdo:

OK, if I ubuntu this bitch.... what do I lose...

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laga:

your mind?

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AngryElf:

Beirdo, lircrc doesn't show up in strace mfe on my working box.....would you mind telling me when the file gets read?

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Beirdo:

the mythtv source is on an NFS mount, the recordings are on NFS...

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Beirdo:

I dunno, AngryElf. you may need to read code

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Beirdo:

I don't do lirc

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Beirdo:

hmm

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Beirdo:

I moved the database to my main server...

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Beirdo:

I think this machine is gonna get a lobotomy

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Beirdo:

save my modules.conf, and away I go

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Beirdo:

JUST in case

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laga:

just get a backup :P

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Juski:

arghhh stupid lirc

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Beirdo:

I can always restore

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

'something went wrong'

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laga:

hi Juski

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Juski:

hey laga

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Beirdo:

I can't think of ANYTHING else on the PVR I want to keep

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Juski:

just brushing up on my irrecord skillz

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Juski:

built up a new serial port receiver, which works ok, but irrecord isn't playing

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna fight with bullshit FC1 anymore

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Beirdo:

where are my breezy CDs?

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** kormoc is overly disturbed by clone mode **

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Beirdo:

I think it's time to upgrade my PVR to use a 6600LE

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Beirdo:

I hope it comes up on the TV from bootup or I'll have to drag the monitor over :)

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Beirdo:

BRB

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kormoc:

it usually does :)

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laga:

Juski: slap it

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Juski:

slapping it didn't work

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Juski:

hmm irrecord is version 0.5

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banyan:

Hey... I am trying to get a second mythtv machine working and I have somehow got my existing backend/frontend so it doesn't think it has any recordings.

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banyan:

suggestions?

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** Juski is upgrading to lirc 0.8.0 **

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mishehu:

bah.

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Juski:

banyan: well, do the files still exist?

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banyan:

They do.

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Juski:

did you back up the DB before setting out?

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banyan:

Um, no.

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Juski:

well if the DB is screwed, you're in for some fun

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banyan:

agreed.

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Juski:

sure you've got 'recorded programs' to display the right group?

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banyan:

Though I thought this would be straightforward...

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banyan:

it never occurred to me that this might be brain surgery.

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Juski:

depends... is the new machine just a frontend?

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banyan:

Not necessarily, no.

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banyan:

http://pastebin.com/670463

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banyan:

is my mythfrontend log.

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banyan:

It's getting oddball errors involving protocol version and failed readstringlists.

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Juski:

erm... both the same versions of mythtv?

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banyan:

Ought to be fresh versions. I will check tho.

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banyan:

The front and back end both say 0.19-20060121–2

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banyan:

Don't know what to make of that "unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" thing.

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AngryElf:

it drives me up the wall that webmaster don't add the 2–3 lines of script required to have the cursor defaulted to the search box.....you'd think it would drive them crazy using their own website

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banyan:

Packages 0.19–126

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

this should be fun

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Beirdo:

installing ubuntu breezy on the PVR

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Beirdo:

on the TV

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Beirdo:

hehe

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laga:

uh-oh.

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laga:

this sucks.

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laga:

looks like my kubuntu box won't boot up.

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Beirdo:

no more fuckin FC1 for me

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Beirdo:

and no more ATI in my PVR either

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laga:

oh yeah, here we go. X comes up. phew.

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Beirdo:

78.5G for /, 1.5G for swap

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Beirdo:

nice defaults

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Beirdo:

hehe

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laga:

heh

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laga:

np: metallica – astronomy

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laga:

awesome song

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** laga fires up lagaTv in qemu **

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Juski:

yay! got lirc 0.7.2 working

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laga:

Juski: congrats :)

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** laga beers Juski **

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Cromz:

Juski, thought you said 0.8.0?

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Juski:

cheers for the beers laga :-)

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Juski:

Cromz: 0.8.0 wouldn't emerge.. piece of crap

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laga:

Juski: np :)

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Cromz:

Juski, that's cool tho ;) lirc is a pain..

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laga:

Juski: emerge? you really love gentoo, huh?

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Juski:

weird – 0.7.1-rc1 was arse

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Juski:

anyway I think it's time for bed – been productive enough for one day (since I got home anyway)

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laga:

bedtime? bah ;)

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** laga has got a frdige full of beer... **

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kazan:

mmm

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kazan:

my fiancee made home made chicken noodle soup

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kazan:

it was good

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Juski:

got w**k in the morning

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laga:

Juski: omg! i feel for you.

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** kazan has work every day during the week **

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** laga is on easter break **

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Juski:

been plumbing again tonight too.. now under the floor upstairs no longer looks like a certain screensaver

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Juski:

anyway... Zzz time

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Juski:

night all

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Beirdo:

bye bye, FC1

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Beirdo:

you poor old bastard.

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laga:

:)

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laga:

Beirdo: wanna test MeinMythTV? ;)

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Beirdo:

nein

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laga:

Beirdo: ;)

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laga:

only takes like 10 fscking minutes to boot in knoppmyth ;)

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Beirdo:

oooh, the video card is "nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00f4 (rev a2)"

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Beirdo:

nice

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laga:

knoppmyth? qemu i mean.

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Beirdo:

oh hell

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Beirdo:

it's installing openoffice

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

oops

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Beirdo:

forgot to say "server"

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Beirdo:

eeediot

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laga:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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Beirdo:

thank you

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Beirdo:

ah well, I'll just start removing shit if it pisses me off

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Beirdo:

it will be nice to have xvmc possibilities

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laga:

XvMC ain't that bad with chromakey OSD

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Beirdo:

ick

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Beirdo:

got some X tuning to do, I see

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Beirdo:

the ubuntu startup graphics screen looks uber-shitty

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laga:

the nvidia readme isn't that bad

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'll get to it

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Beirdo:

:)

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kazan:

to use irrecord to capture signals i must have lircd not running right?

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** kayelem ponders – is the VIA KT400 chipset ok – like, did VIA finally fix stuff..? **

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** Beirdo wonders.... is it worth the risk? **

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kayelem:

(being offered a silent case with KT400 board and Athlon XP 2400+ by someone; thinking it could be a better myth box than my 800MHz Duron in a KT133 <g>

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Beirdo:

that's a given

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laga:

KT400>KT133, i suppose.

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Beirdo:

especially as wasn't the KT133 one of the shitlist ones for sure?

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kayelem:

Current box does sit at 100% CPU decoding one DVB-T channel...

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kayelem:

I thought the KT333 was pretty lousy – and I've got one of those, too...

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laga:

yeah. Kt133 is quite craptacular.

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Beirdo:

nforce2, nforce3, nforce4 :)

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kayelem:

Interesting – the KT133 + 800MHz Duron's been on and running reasonably well for days now.

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Beirdo:

and two dell slimlines

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laga:

kayelem: BTW, your load seems a little bit. you using DVB-EIT?

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kayelem:

laga, ah, yeah; i am.

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kayelem:

I should try to grt the rt grabber working instead?

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laga:

kayelem: there's rumours that the eit-crawler in 0.19 uses lots of cpu. i'll try to find the corresponding ticket in trac after i've gotten myself another beer...

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Beirdo:

hey, maybe I'll even turn the OpenGL fading stuff back on

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Beirdo:

if this beotch can't handle it, nothing can

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Beirdo:

heh

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kayelem:

laga, ah, ta. I was wondering why it was using so much. 2% CPU load only while recording btw.

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kazan:

hmm

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Beirdo:

WTF do I want all these retarded fonts for?

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

ttf-punjabi-fonts

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Beirdo:

for fucks sakes

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Beirdo:

if I spoke punjabi (or could read it) I might be potentially interested

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kayelem:

heh

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Beirdo:

but I told it I was in Canada, and I wanted English

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Beirdo:

retarded "install every font in the world" :)

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laga:

maybe it thought you were franco-canadian and got all fscked up?

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Beirdo:

French != Punjabi

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kazan:

hmm

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Beirdo:

I guess that's so I can call tech support

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kazan:

i have a remote i can emulate any remote with

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kazan:

tivo seemed a good choice.. but i dunno now

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Beirdo:

oh here goes fun

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Beirdo:

GDM started

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

with characteristic bongo sounds

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Beirdo:

where's my sshd?!

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laga:

kayelem: only 2% while recording.. I'm no expert, sorry; i dunno how dvb-eit works in mythtv. all i know is that there are some patches to lower the cpu load. but your problem could also be caused by a cpu-eating filter chain

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Beirdo:

grr

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kayelem:

laga, dunno what I've got on here tbh; I switched from a gentoo install I'd thoroughly broken to knoppmyth for a play around. What that's installed I'm not really sure.

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kayelem:

I must break it some time and find out...

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laga:

kayelem: impressive. you'Ve recently switched but helped me earlier today in #knoppmyth, thanks again ;)

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kayelem:

laga, yeah; i only stuck knoppmyth on the box on Sunday...

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laga:

kayelem: nice :) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1694 – this is the ticket i was looking for

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banyan:

what's the deal with sending an mpg to the ivtv card from mplayer?

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banyan:

is there an easy way to do that?

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laga:

kayelem: there's been lots of thread about high cpu usage with dvb-eit, i believe. you might want to investigate...

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kayelem:

laga, I can't remember if you were around but I got my fonts readable on my weird resolution.

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kayelem:

laga, cheers; I'll try turning it off for a bit and see what happens.

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laga:

kayelem: oh, you're the guy with the vintage Tv set?

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kayelem:

I've struggled with the damn rt grabber, though, last time I tried; thought eit was the answer.

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kayelem:

laga, um... girl, ta... :)

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laga:

kayelem: well, i'm gonna go smash my head against the wall a few times, bbiab

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Beirdo:

OMG, and you actually said so in a room full of geeks? :) brave girl

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kayelem:

Beirdo, I can cope :)

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laga:

Beirdo: or in desperate need of support..

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kayelem:

laga, but yeah; I'm the girl running MythTV on 405-line TV sets :)

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kayelem:

968 x 378 is not a resolution you really wanna be using; but most stuff works regardless.

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kayelem:

Must get better screenshot now the text is readable – that's what I had before – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/Myth405/20 . . . th405-PG.jpg

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laga:

kayelem: heh, looks bad enough

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_nero_:

hurm... QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded now why would that be?!?

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laga:

kayelem: you're located in the UK?

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laga:

_nero_: well, what distro?

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_nero_:

FC5..

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kayelem:

laga, looks better now. That TV was not working well then; I fixed that as well.

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banyan:

Is it possible to run mplayer against the ivtv card directly, at all?

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laga:

_nero_: oh, well, probably you didn't install the Qt mysql driver.

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laga:

banyan: i think so.

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kayelem:

laga, uk, yeah.

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** laga will make sure to give extra credit to "geeky girls" in his final release of MeinMythTV **

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kayelem:

laga, I think I'm a geek; if building my first 'puter myself aged 13 counts... <g>

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laga:

kayelem: cool. juski (and porbably coume) are gonna have a mythtv booth at the lugradio meeting, maybe you wanna come along for a chat whith those guys ;)

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kayelem:

laga, people think i'm strange. I think i'm me ;-)

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laga:

kayelem: same for me ;)

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_nero_:

thanks laga.. that was it.. doh!

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laga:

kayelem: *shrug* being a geek is hard, the gender doesn't matter :) i was on a party the other day and logged in to my computer at home to fix xmltv. the host yelled at me because he thought i was cracking a computer or so..

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kayelem:

laga – heh... I prefer geeks as friends, though. Most of them are. Gives us something to talk about... i hate it when I'm wittering enthusiastically about stuff and my "victim" falls asleep... ;-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so true

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_nero_:

strange.. does a second frontend need to be mounting the recordings directory?? or is it streamed??

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kayelem:

laga, lugradio; july, midlands... I could do that, maybe

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laga:

kayelem: cool :) maybe i'm gonna come, too, dunno yet :)

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laga:

_nero_: streamed.

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kayelem:

BTW, I'll be here among all the vintage tech with a MythTV box – http://www.nvcf.org.uk/

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** kormoc dislikes ati **

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** laga takes care not to annoy his friends with geek stuff too much...only when they deserve it ;) **

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** laga beats sftp for not not resuming an upload **

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kayelem:

Got someone bringing his pre-WWI television to hook up to my PC – that'll be *cool* :)

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kayelem:

*WWII

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kayelem:

bah, typo... now, a pre WWI telly would be incredible...!

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laga:

kayelem: awesome :)

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kormoc:

kayelem, well, if it's way pre WWII, it could be pre WWI

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laga:

kayelem: make sure to take lots of pictures!

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Beirdo:

wasn't TV invented between the wars?

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kayelem:

Stil, a late thirties round-tube 5" set with the Myth UI on it demands a photograph or several.

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_nero_:

strange.. I keep getting an error that /media/recordings does not exist..

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_nero_:

I have told it the backend (master server) is 192.168.2.1 (this machine is 192.168.2.3)

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laga:

kayelem: make sure to post a picture on mythtvtalk, too – maybe you can score something :) http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=627

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dtm:

yeah i think TV was invented in the 1940s because the first broadcasts were made by Hitler at the Olympics

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dtm:

which i learned while reading about what SETI estimates will be the first things any aliens hear of us

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kayelem:

First high-definition TV service was started by the BBC, on 405-lines, on 2nd November 1936

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kormoc:

kayelem, when was the low dev started?

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kayelem:

dtm, before that we had 30-line in 1926 here.

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laga:

dtm: uh, nice first impression. well, imagine the aliens coming to us.."heil earthlings!"-"uh, wtf?"

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kormoc:

laga, everytime I see that page mentioned, remember juski's creepy picture and get scared :P

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kayelem:

dtm, the Germans had a very powerful transmitter, but weren;t the first.

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kayelem:

that was us lot in the UK; Alexandra Palace BBC transmitter :)

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laga:

kormoc: yeah, we should make sunglasses mandatory.

[01:25:30]

kayelem:

laga, yeah; I'll get a shot of my PC next to that pre-war TV at the show and post it; certainly :)

[01:26:38]

laga:

kayelem: i hope you're gonna scare :)

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laga:

scare? score. or maybe booth.

[01:27:19]

kayelem:

laga, well, I am a goth as well... so very likely...

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laga:

anyone got a sample fstab line for me for mounting shmfs?

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kayelem:

shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0

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laga:

kayelem: *shrug* i'm a metalhead, so i'm not scared that easily by goths..

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laga:

kayelem: thanks.

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kayelem:

from one of my boxes

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kormoc:

laga, shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0

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kormoc:

heh, oops

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kayelem:

good to see we're in agreement...

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Beirdo:

aarg

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Beirdo:

OpenGL renderer string: unknown board/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!/forceSW

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Beirdo:

that doesn't look good

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Beirdo:

I don't want newer drivers then 7667 do I?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, for a 6600, yeah, you do

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Beirdo:

uck-fay

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kormoc:

Beirdo, it should work fine, but it won't be nearly as fast/bugfree

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laga:

i've heard that latest nvidia drivers are OK again

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kormoc:

laga, I like them, aye

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kormoc:

only issue is with source games

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Beirdo:

I installed whichever ones were in ubuntu :)

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I wonder...

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Beirdo:

but anyways, so far it works

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kayelem:

I had to stick 8756 on to get interlace. nothing after 6269 gave proper sync signals

[01:33:04]

kayelem:

6269? uh... 6629, sorry.

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, but you're using an older card

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kormoc:

there were improvements in the 8xxx line for 6x00 and 7x00 cards

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kayelem:

Geforce4, yeah

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kayelem:

when you've only got 378 active lines, losing half of 'em is a Bad Thing...

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kormoc:

thehehe, indeed

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** kormoc laughs **

[01:34:40]

kormoc:

the hehe, wow, what a typo

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laga:

teehee

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** laga runs **

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AngryElf:

when using the pcHDTV-3000 card do you have you use the included audio wire to run sound to a sound card?

[01:36:24]

Beirdo:

ivtv will be the next minor battle

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Beirdo:

right after this apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Beirdo:

hehe

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laga:

ivtv shouldn't be that hard

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laga:

0.1.9 sucked, though :)

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_nero_:

what would cause a remote front end to think it isnt remote??

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kormoc:

_nero_, same hostname/ip

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_nero_:

dont have hostnames.. one machine is 192.168.2.3 (remote front), and the master is 192.168.2.1

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kazan:

someone who uses lirc DCC me your .lircrc pls

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kormoc:

kazan, why?

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kazan:

reference

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kazan:

i have a lircd.conf from irrecord

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kormoc:

why not just look at the example one on myth's site?

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Dug02:

I have a twinhan ATSC/NTSC card... dvb-bttv found the card but wont load the tuner

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Dug02:

or the front end: dvb-bt8xx: A frontend driver was not found for device

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kazan:

because i didn't know there was one :D there didn't used to be one

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kormoc:

sure there was, always in the contrib folder of the source

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xris:

kazan: there's been one for at least a year.

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** kazan must be blind **

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laga:

make that two years :)

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banyan:

hmm, so, all I did was run mythtvsetup from another frontend, and then run mythfrontend on that other frontend... and now my old frontend and backend don't talk.

[01:48:38]

banyan:

(same machine)

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kormoc:

banyan, so what did you change?

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banyan:

I did enough setup that the new machine could see the old backend.

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kormoc:

Sure, but what did you change that affected the other frontend?

[01:49:42]

banyan:

Unsure!

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banyan:

http://pastebin.com/670463 has a snippet from a mythfrontend.log...

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kormoc:

WEll, just pop out your sql backups and diff them! :P

[01:50:17]

banyan:

sure! uh... my whatnow?

[01:50:35]

banyan:

you'd think I would know better but nuh-uh!

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kormoc:

hehe

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banyan:

Worst comes to worst I can wipe the database and recreate it.

[01:51:10]

banyan:

I had all of like six or seven actual recordings.

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kormoc:

banyan, so can your localmachine connect to itself via that ip address?

[01:51:32]

kormoc:

banyan, ooh, nm

[01:51:39]

kormoc:

banyan, "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:"

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banyan:

It seems so.

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kormoc:

banyan, you updated something somewhere

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banyan:

The new frontend may have done.

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kormoc:

banyan, they all need to be the same version

[01:52:09]

banyan:

Though I can't see that it's a different version!

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kormoc:

mythfrontend version: 0.19.20060121–2 www.mythtv.org

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kormoc:

check the backend's version as well as the other frontend

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banyan:

The one is the i386 and the other is the x86_64 but otherwise both are 0.19–126.

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kormoc:

banyan, you'll need to check the numbers they spit out, not the package version

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banyan:

I will double-check the 64 bit machine (which I just bought and is still only partially assembled...)

[01:54:08]

banyan:

and is off right now.

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Beirdo:

OK. ivtv 0.4.4 now

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kazan:

hey xris

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xris:

?

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kazan:

so i built my own IRC receiver

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** kormoc chuckles **

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kazan:

took me an hour to make

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kormoc:

kazan, wow, you work fast, you should get to work on xchat!

[02:02:43]

kazan:

haha :D

[02:02:50]

kazan:

it was a pain in the ass

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** xris goes to watch Scrubs with his wife. **

[02:03:14]

kazan:

and i had to guess the polarity of the damn capacitor because i didn't remember how to tell

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kormoc:

kazan, so what language did you use?

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kazan:

no no i built the hardware kormoc

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kormoc:

kazan, hardware IRC? that's impressive, so used a pic or did you go all out with a 6800?

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Zider:

hardware for IRC?

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Zider:

must be a keyboard he means then ;)

[02:04:11]

kazan:

slaved over the soldering iron

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laga:

he's based his gpuxchat on beirdo's gputrans

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kazan:

rotfl

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kazan:

IR receiver

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kazan:

didn't notice that typo

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kazan:

hate when i think one thing and my hands type another

[02:05:31]

kazan:

"Up" is the correct keyname in .lircrc right?

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phoner:

config = Up

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phoner:

correct

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kazan:

I have an "enter" key.. would would be a good key to bind to "OK"

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kazan:

(I also have Repeat, Subtitle, Pip and +100 that I couldn't think of boundings for)

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kormoc:

Nah, I would bind 'enter' to "escape"

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kazan:

lol

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kazan:

i have "Quit" bound to Esc

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kormoc:

and naturally, "left" to 'right' and "right" 'up' and this is where it gets tricky, "Up" to 'right' and "Down" 'left'

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banyan:

OK, the other mythfrontend and mythbackend are both 0.19.20060121–2...

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kormoc:

banyan, something borked, cause it thinks they are different versions

[02:17:31]

banyan:

And this frontend and backend are also both the same.

[02:17:38]

banyan:

Any idea how to roll this back?

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kormoc:

not really, cause who knows what else changed

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banyan:

Do I just remove the database and reinstall it?

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banyan:

There is a script I assume that creates all the tables and whatnot.

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kormoc:

you can export your schedules and recorded and what not

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kormoc:

and yeah, remove the db, restart, and then import back in the data

[02:18:44]

kormoc:

in anycase, I should head home.

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banyan:

Cool. and that's some kind of mysql executable that does that iirc.

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banyan:

So, record is the recording schedule...

[02:30:14]

banyan:

recorded is the record of programs previously recorded...

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salmenara:

hello

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banyan:

OK, now where is that fine script for creating the databbase at?

[02:36:04]

Varanger:

Is there any difference (besides remote control) between the WinTV-PVR 150 and the WinTV-PVR 150 MCE Kit

[02:36:12]

Varanger:

Will both work with MythTV ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Varanger: check out http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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Varanger:

J-e-f-f-a: It says it is compatible, but I doesn't say what is the difference between them!

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kazan:

how the hell do you get into FastForward/Rewind mode without sticky keys?

[02:46:50]

kazan:

nevermind

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kormoc:

you don't

[02:46:55]

kazan:

i kept overlooking it

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kazan:

< and >

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J-e-f-f-A:

Varanger: It should work fine. Although I have a PVR-500 and tried to add a PVR-150 to my system and they didn't get along well. So I took the 150 out and put in my 'old' 250, and they work great together.

[02:49:06]

kazan:

I still have three keys i haven't found uses for

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: What remote did you get?

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kazan:

I have a generic 3-in-1 universal from radioshack

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kazan:

wtf

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: Which model (the RS- number so I can check it out...)

[02:57:11]

kazan:

my remote keys bound to enter don't work

[02:57:28]

kazan:

hmm

[02:57:30]

kazan:

lemme check the book

[02:57:41]

kazan:

it's only marked "Cat no 15–2143"

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J-e-f-f-A:

that's it... ;-)

[02:57:55]

kazan:

that's what is on the book too

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kazan:

i am using an IR receiver i build myself (serial)

[02:58:21]

kazan:

now why aren't my keys bound to "enter" working

[02:58:44]

kazan:

oh... it uses return

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: Hey, I like that remote. And the price is pretty good too... ;-)

[02:59:40]

kazan:

aye

[02:59:52]

kazan:

hmm i'm still having some issues with the remote but i don't have time to fuck with it tonight

[03:00:01]

kazan:

night all

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J-e-f-f-A:

kazan: c'ya

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: and kormoc its working its recording :)

[03:08:42]

SlicerDicer-:

afk now though my tv programs are on heh

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banyan:

There isn't still a urw-fonts bug that causes the fonts to display really large is there?

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banyan:

There is a mention of this on wilsonet but I have a hunch that, since it refers to an rpm from FC2 to fix the bug, it's an antiquated issue.

[03:10:10]

Gumby:

grrrrrrrrrr, now that Ive figured out the hard drive I was using for my recordings was bad and causing my backend to crash all the time I have a new hard drive. HOwever now the frontend crashes from time to time

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banyan:

Well, I know my front end has less padding than my back end.

[03:10:52]

Beirdo:

WTF?

[03:11:20]

Beirdo:

why is this coming up with the wrong stupid theme?

[03:14:33]

Beirdo:

oh

[03:14:39]

Beirdo:

titivillus ain't here?

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** Beirdo scratches his head **

[03:14:52]

Beirdo:

what did I forget

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banyan:

I think it's a specific package.

[03:17:28]

Beirdo:

I use SVN

[03:17:36]

Beirdo:

just forgot to make install in myththemes

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Beirdo:

oops

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banyan:

heh

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Beirdo:

ah, that's better

[03:19:13]

Beirdo:

sorry, seeing G.A.N.T. when you expect Titivillus is a rude shock :)

[03:19:52]

Beirdo:

OMG

[03:20:01]

Beirdo:

18% CPU instead of 80%

[03:20:07]

Beirdo:

woohoo!

[03:20:25]

Beirdo:

got slight tearing at times

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kayelem:

18%

[03:20:58]

Beirdo:

yeah. xvmc :)

[03:21:33]

Beirdo:

at 1.4x, 30%

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kayelem:

I tried turning EIT off and still end up with backend+frontend taking >98% CPU

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kormoc:

Beirdo, nice :)

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** xris wishes that ProjectGreyhem worked properly with the new opengl menus **

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gardengnome:

kayelem: so. are you using deinterlacing/denoising?

[03:22:32]

Beirdo:

mucho acceptable

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Beirdo:

wondering if this tearing is actually interlacing...

[03:23:21]

kayelem:

gardengnome, nope, running on interlaced 4:3 TV (a regular one atm, not an antique)

[03:23:29]

kormoc:

Beirdo, likely, Bob is the only style that will work with XvMC

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Beirdo:

I don't deinterlace at all

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kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

[03:24:15]

gardengnome:

kayelem: interesting. what hardware? duron 800, right?

[03:24:19]

Beirdo:

should tweak my overscan a touch, but damn, this was simple

[03:24:21]

Beirdo:

;)

[03:24:34]

kayelem:

Beirdo, I deinterlaced when I was testing on 800x600 progressive monitor

[03:24:46]

Beirdo:

oh, and I think I'm at 1024x768

[03:24:50]

kayelem:

gardengnome, yeah, duron 800

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Beirdo:

YAY

[03:25:36]

Beirdo:

and working CC

[03:25:39]

Beirdo:

OMG

[03:25:43]

gardengnome:

kayelem: that's odd. maybe you can optimize things a little bit. did you build mythtv yourself?

[03:25:50]

kayelem:

gardengnome, geforce4 mx4000, 720x576 out the RGB into SCART on my TV with a little electronics to combine syncs.

[03:26:27]

gardengnome:

kayelem: nice, the same circuit is currently on the couch table – i'm too lazy to wire up the scart connector ;)

[03:26:51]

gardengnome:

kayelem: but i wasn't talking about hardware. did you compile mythtv yourself?

[03:26:54]

Beirdo:

now, WTF, let's turn on the OpenGL crap in the menus

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kayelem:

gardengnome, I can try; it was a binary install, allegedly compiled for i686 I think. Trying knoppmyth after playing about with it on gentoo for a while. Slackware's my usual distro of choice, though.

[03:27:56]

kayelem:

gardengnome, I'll probably stick slackware on and build up the system myself; only way to get to know it properly

[03:28:02]

banyan:

I bought one of those microsoft media centre usb receivers with two ir transmitters and it works pretty well.,

[03:28:32]

xris:

banyan: the transmitters work?

[03:28:36]

banyan:

which is good since for some reason the last kernel update borked my irc_i2c and my pvr350 stopped working.

[03:28:46]

banyan:

xris: I am curious to find out how to get them working, haven't tried that yet.

[03:28:56]

banyan:

The receiver certainly does.

[03:29:12]

gardengnome:

kayelem: well, if you decide to built it from source, make sure to read ./configure --help :) and get the proper optimizations for your cpu

[03:29:12]

xris:

yeah, I know the receiver works (for the remote, not the keyboard)...

[03:30:19]

kayelem:

gardengnome, yeah – I will. Think this system needs all the optimisation it can get

[03:31:00]

banyan:

So, I just rebuilt my myth database. What tables should I load back into it to preserve my recording history and my recording schedule?

[03:31:11]

gardengnome:

kayelem: :) are you experiecing problems with stuttering playback?

[03:31:23]

banyan:

I never did dig into that database to see what the various tables are for.

[03:31:53]

Anduin:

banyan: oldrecorded

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Beirdo:

xris, using a 6600LE now :)

[03:31:54]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:31:59]

kormoc:

banyan, I think it's record, recorded, and oldrecord, but not totally sure

[03:32:02]

kayelem:

gardengnome, slightly... it shows on panning, not so bad otherwise

[03:32:23]

Anduin:

banyan: record for recording rules

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banyan:

okee. record is the schedule, oldrecorded is the list of previously recorded programs... recorded is what, for currently active recordings?

[03:33:17]

kormoc:

banyan, aye

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gardengnome:

kayelem: well, take a look at the realtime priority stuff as well. and amybe even opengl vsync, but it's possible both are already enabled in knoppmyth

[03:33:26]

banyan:

kew.

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banyan:

l

[03:33:33]

banyan:

.

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kormoc:

banyan, just remember to not delete your backup until you have what you want imported and you're double sure :)

[03:34:03]

kayelem:

gardengnome, I think those are on by default already

[03:34:15]

banyan:

I did a mythdumpdb of all the tables.

[03:34:26]

gardengnome:

kayelem: ok, that's good then

[03:35:06]

kayelem:

gardengnome, getting late for me, need to crash out – I'll play about with it some more – working brain would be good ;-)

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JustinS:

hello all .. I live in a unique situation where there are no tvxml (zap2it) lists for my tv channels. (Military on base in Japan with American Forces Cable) .. Is there a way to tell mythtv to just play the tv and let me change the channels?

[03:37:20]

JustinS:

Right not when I click watch tv it blinks and goes back to the mythtv menu ..

[03:37:32]

kayelem:

gardengnome, ta for giving me some stuff to look into; seeya tomorrow.

[03:38:40]

gardengnome:

kayelem: gnight

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Anduin:

JustinS: Why choose mythtv?

[03:39:22]

map7home:

I have an old flyvideo 98 and I cannot get it working with mythtv, is it supported?

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JustinS:

because this box next to me is going to be for the media center in my living room .. and freevo doesnt play tv either ..

[03:41:12]

kormoc:

map7home, if video4linux supports it sure

[03:42:01]

kormoc:

JustinS, myth should be fine without zap2it or anything once it's imported, but it's the first import that will be icky

[03:42:30]

kormoc:

JustinS, if you get a xml listing, you can import it via mythfilldatabase, but I wouldn't know how or where to get one

[03:43:31]

JustinS:

i've got one plugged in from my home town .,..

[03:44:53]

map7home:

yes it is supported it uses the bt878, but when I go and search for channels it comes back with nothing, and when I goto the watchtv it complains that it's being used already

[03:45:07]

JustinS:

My problem isn't so much the listing I guess, but more .. nothing comes up .. it just blinks and back to the menu .. in the cli I get some jibber about .. TV Error: LiveTV not successlully started ..

[03:45:30]

JustinS:

LiveTV something I need to install? Like a plugin or something?

[03:45:48]

Anduin:

JustinS: Myth wants listings, when it fails to get listing information for the start channel it fails.

[03:47:07]

JustinS:

Okay .. I did mythfilldatabase and it went well .. mysql server shows loads of things in it now, and I don't remember where I was but I saw a bunch of channels with images for each .. (that was last night, I dunno where I saw that) ..

[03:47:57]

Anduin:

JustinS: program guide (manage recrodings | schedule recordings | program guide)

[03:48:04]

kormoc:

map7home, well, might want to restart the backend and make sure it's not recording

[03:48:20]

map7home:

ok

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Beirdo:

oh fuck

[03:49:14]

Beirdo:

that was brilliant

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I just told mythmusic to scan...

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Beirdo:

with 10G of MP3s in there

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Beirdo:

that should take a moment

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JustinS:

Anduin: aha .. it's empty and when I try to go up or down it shows me the cli again and other than the segmentation fault I get .. Connected to database "mythconverg" at host blah blah then You don't have any channels defined in the database. Guide grid will have nothing to show you. .... Guess I'll run mythfilldatabase again and see if that'll do it ..

[03:50:48]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: the joys of mythth, huh? :) mine is installed with PREFIX=/usr/, but it looks in /usr/local/ for its data. it'd better fix that ;)

[03:50:55]

gardengnome:

mythtv*

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but the PVR is back in business

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Anduin:

JustinS: Are you sure mplayer or xawtv aren't best?

[03:51:21]

Beirdo:

with nvidia 6600LE now... and ubuntu breezy

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: not bad, especially not that in that short time ;)

[03:52:25]

JustinS:

Anduin: I snagged xawtv last night, but the wiki didn't go any farther .. And I haven't seen how to impliment it since .. I have been using tvtime to watch tv, but it's not pretty .. (looks aren't everything, but the wife will expect nothing less) ..

[03:52:36]

Beirdo:

yup, working pretty good too

[03:52:44]

Beirdo:

had to recompile myth of course

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Beirdo:

as all the libraries were changed

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Beirdo:

ivtv's wiki had GOOD instructions for installing ivtv on ubuntu

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JustinS:

Program finder has stuff in it though .. wonder why my program guide isn't populated? ..

[03:54:25]

Anduin:

JustinS: Could simply be date/time

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: i told you, ivtv is not as abd as it used to be ;)

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JustinS:

Anduin: How do you mean? (I am a day ahead over here) ..

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Beirdo:

and closed captioning is WORKING

[03:55:35]

Beirdo:

yay!

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kormoc:

nice :)

[03:55:41]

Anduin:

JustinS: I mean the program guide shows "now" (though it shouldn't report false empties, just a lot of Unknowns).

[03:55:49]

gardengnome:

1. on my FC4 system the directory /proc/acpi/thermal_zone exists but has

[03:55:49]

gardengnome:

nothing in it. As such the mainserver.cpp code for acpi gets run, and the

[03:55:52]

gardengnome:

else clause for lmsensors never gets a chance. I fixed this by using a

[03:55:55]

gardengnome:

bool to say whether the acpi logic found a temperature or not and use that

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gardengnome:

darn, sorry!!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

!trout gardengnome

[03:56:05]

** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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gardengnome:

stupid mouse

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gardengnome:

!trout mouse

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** MythLogBot slaps mouse with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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JustinS:

Anduin: Think I get what you are saying .. Even if the date/time is incorrect it should still have "Unknown" in the listings, but instead it crashes ..

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JustinS:

Do I need to install something else to play music, and movies off my server too?

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Anduin:

JustinS: Yeah, music and movies are done with plugins (mythmusic and mythvideo)

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JustinS:

n'kay .. I'll seek those out too .. think they'll be in portage ..

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banyan_:

For use against a 2.6.16 kernel, which ivtv version should I compile against?

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Anduin:

JustinS: Yeah, it really sounds like no guide data (but then finder should be failing)

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Beirdo:

banyan, 0.6.x

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banyan_:

Hmm, ok...

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JustinS:

n'kay all the other mythvideo mythmusic stuff is emerging .. thanks for the help Anduin .. I'll go tinker some more and see if I can't really mess it up .. hehehehe

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Gumby:

anyone see this before, it happend after mythfrontend crashes and I tried to restart by doing mythbackend &

[04:02:55]

Gumby:

Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 668: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!

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kormoc:

Gumby, yeah, your file is likely corrupt

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Gumby:

hrm

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gardengnome:

gah, the sun is rising. i should go to bed now. night guys

[04:10:40]

Beirdo:

night, wuss

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

actually, I'm gonna hit the sack too

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kormoc:

night, wuss :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

[04:11:55]

Beirdo:

but I rebuilt the PVR finally

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kormoc:

Yeah, good job :)

[04:12:41]

Beirdo:

the hell with FC1 and atrpms :)

[04:12:54]

Beirdo:

this works pretty good :)

[04:13:23]

Beirdo:

ivtv-enc-vbi is using 2% CPU

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Xorg is using 2%

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Beirdo:

WAY down from the 30% or so on the ATI

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map7home:

kormoc now when I click on watchtv it just blinks and goes to the menu again?

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Beirdo:

frontend's down from 40%ish to 18% at 1x

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kormoc:

map7home, and the output says?

[04:14:30]

kormoc:

Beirdo, yeah, nvidia rocks :)

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Beirdo:

this is SO much more usable

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map7home:

what output? dmesg?

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: please let me know when you run into any problems. your success is not human.

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Beirdo:

and that's at 1024x768 still

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kormoc:

map7home, from the frontend, run it from a terminal, and it outputs test

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kormoc:

*text

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Beirdo:

gardengnome, heh, I'm lucky or somethng

[04:15:15]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: no, you just didn't try hard enough to make it fail :)

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Beirdo:

bah

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gardengnome:

:)

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Beirdo:

bed bed bed

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gardengnome:

says the wuss who's like 6h behind me.

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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Beirdo:

I have a fiancee

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Beirdo:

hehe

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gardengnome:

so?

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gardengnome:

i met the GF's mom for the first time 6h ago and i'm still shocked ;)

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Beirdo:

you obviously don't have a GF who's good with the whip

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Beirdo:

hehe

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map7home:

kormoc I get LiveTV not successfully started

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** gardengnome takes notes: beirdo's fiancee is good with whips. **

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Beirdo:

metaphorical

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: isn't it a bit too late to add that?

[04:18:24]

Beirdo:

and good at NOT answering the phone too

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map7home:

kormoc it seems to bomb out before that with GetEntryAt(-1) failed

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Beirdo:

hmph

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: phones suck.

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: ;) anyways, have a good night. cya in 8h ;)

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map7home:

kormoc, should I bother trying to setup tvtime or xawtv and testing that my card works?

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JustinS:

Anduin: I've got that program guide full now .. Dunno what I did .. but it's full (I did take the time change out of the settings in mythyv-settings .. Can't watch tv though .. just pops back to the menu still .. Do I have to select from the program guide? And it'll play live? So far nothing happens ..

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kormoc:

map7home, sure, won't hurt

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RuisHome:

i'm having problems checking out 0.19-fixes from svn. is there a problem with the server or something?

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RuisHome:

i run the command and it just sits there and does nothing.

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feld:

RuisHome: paste the command in case something is wrong about it and it's just hanging

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feld:

someone might be able to help u if thats the problem

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RuisHome:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

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RuisHome:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . /mythplugins

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RuisHome:

and

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RuisHome:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/myththemes

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RuisHome:

also hang

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RuisHome:

ah.. it just errored out with:

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RuisHome:

svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/bc/9744/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv'

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RuisHome:

svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/bc/9744/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.mythtv.org)

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Varanger:

What is the difference between WinTV PVR 150 – 1062, 1042 and 1045 ??

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Varanger:

Answer is here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 1045;#156967

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mishehu:

bah.

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Beirdo:

humbug

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Beirdo:

why am I still awake?!

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Beirdo:

just fixed amanda and ntp on the rebuilt PVR :)

[04:57:02]

Beirdo:

NOW bed before I think of something else

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ShockValue:

well, trying to install this radeon 9700, and so far all ive done is b0rk my box

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ShockValue:

:)

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kormoc:

ShockValue, hehe, yeah, it's a pain, what are you stuck on?

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ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/670725

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ShockValue:

thats the short version and the part it bombs on

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kormoc:

ShockValue, you'll need to compile in DRM support into the kernel and into X

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orion88:

anyone up for talking about hardware?

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ShockValue:

checking xorg now to see how it was compiled

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kormoc:

orion88, shoot

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orion88:

kormoc: i'm in the planning stages for building a backend... it might be a few months before i actually do it

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ShockValue:

x11 doesnt seem to have any flags for drm, but i did notice it was built without VIDEO_CARD="radeon"

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kormoc:

orion88, yeah?

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ShockValue:

where is DRM support in the kernel located?

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orion88:

kormoc: so, a few questions

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kormoc:

ShockValue, that's for the opensource driver, what version of X are you using? (it's good to build the opensource driver anyway)

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kormoc:

ShockValue, one minute

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Do you use Gentoo?

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ShockValue:

yes, gentoo

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orion88:

kormoc: if i buy tuners that hardware encode, how much cput do i need per encoding job?

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Varanger:

ShockValue: For sure, you emerged x11-drm packages

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kormoc:

orion88, usually around 2% or so on a 2 ghz box

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Varanger:

I have the same problem (Gentoo guide is wrong)

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ShockValue:

im using xorg-x11–7.0-r1

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kormoc:

Varanger, that depends on if he's xorg 7 or not

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kormoc:

ShockValue, ahh, one moment

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Varanger:

I used 6.8.2 and had the same problem

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ShockValue:

Varanger – i did emerge x11-drm, just a few minutes ago

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orion88:

kormoc: so, nearly none

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kormoc:

orion88, right

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Varanger:

ShockValue, the problem is that x11-drm is older than kernel drm packages

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ShockValue:

oic, icky

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kormoc:

ShockValue, Device Drivers -> Character Devices

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kormoc:

ShockValue, you'll need to stay with kernel 2.6.13 or below if I recall correctly

[05:03:18]

Varanger:

For sure, you followed Gentoo guides, they are wrong

[05:03:24]

Varanger:

kormoc: Yes

[05:03:55]

Varanger:

I was using kernel 2.6.15 and drm from it was newer than x11-drm

[05:04:11]

ShockValue:

yeah, the gentoo guide said to <N> Direct Rendering Manager

[05:04:29]

Varanger:

ShockValue: Say "Y" and add the module for your radeon

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kormoc:

ShockValue, I have it built on my work box, but that might have just been for the open source driver

[05:04:54]

ShockValue:

Varanger – is this for the open source, or for ati-drivers?

[05:04:57]

kormoc:

ShockValue, I'm much more familar with Nvidia, as Ati's drivers never cease to annoy me.

[05:05:15]

ShockValue:

yeah, but my 5200 wont do 1080i :)

[05:05:36]

Varanger:

ShockValue: You need 2 kind of drivers: the X drivers and the DRM drivers

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orion88:

kormoc: can i put tuners in frontends and have them utilized by my backend?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, for example, I had a dual head working right at work, and now it just won't work, I never changed anything, rebuild the driver over and over again, a single head works fine, dual head cloned works fine, but not together.

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kormoc:

orion88, yeah, you can have remote backends that don't even have a frontend if you want.

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Varanger:

kormoc: Should I buy the 1045 or 1062 WinTV PVR-150 ??? Which one is better??

[05:06:47]

kormoc:

Varanger, none of them are better hardware wise, just pick based on features

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orion88:

kormoc: meaning a machine with tuners and no direct clients?

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Varanger:

The only difference I can see is that the 1062 only works with WinXP MCE and the 1045 works with both but the remote doesn't work with MCE.

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orion88:

kormoc: oh nevermind, i get it

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Are you alive?

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kormoc:

Varanger, they all work without MCE

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kormoc:

Varanger, the MCE editions tend to not come with remotes, as the MCE remote comes with MCE

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Varanger:

kormoc: The 1062 comes with MCE-compatible remote

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orion88:

kormoc: how much network bandwidth does an mpeg2 stream typically require?

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Varanger:

kormoc: and the 1062 is a MCE edition

[05:09:06]

kormoc:

Varanger, yeah, and I do belive it works under linux as well, as I have the MCE remote workign fine...

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kormoc:

orion88, depends on the bitrate, but tends to be around 4.5 mbit/sec

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orion88:

kormoc: that's not as bad as i thought

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Agrajag-:

what tends to be 4.5 mbit/sec?

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kormoc:

Varanger, let me put it more clearly, Every PVR 150 works under linux, the MCE stuff you can just ignore.

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Varanger:

kormoc: See you, thanks for the help

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Varanger:

Bye

[05:09:52]

kormoc:

Agrajag-, default hardware mpeg2 stream

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kormoc:

Varanger, see ya! glad to help

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Agrajag-:

oh ok i guess you're not talking dvb then

[05:10:07]

kormoc:

orion88, it's settable btw

[05:10:14]

kormoc:

Agrajag-, yeah, I'm assuming one of the pvr style cards

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orion88:

kormoc: right, but just on average

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orion88:

kormoc: i'm trying to plan :)

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kormoc:

orion88, Yeah, the default on myth is 4.5 mbit/set, I record at 2 mbit/sec myself, because I perfer more recordings then slightly higher quality :)

[05:10:59]

Agrajag-:

has anyone here got dvb radio working with mythtv?

[05:11:30]

Varanger:

kormoc: Do you know if there is any USB tuners that works with MythTV besides Plextor ConvertX ??

[05:11:31]

orion88:

kormoc: it's just good to know i shouldn't need gigabit ethernet between my switch and server

[05:11:33]

ShockValue:

sorry, i got sucked into this guide

[05:11:38]

ShockValue:

yeah im alive, kinda :)

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kormoc:

Varanger, I've heard that there are a few, but I wouldn't know the models offhand.

[05:12:07]

Varanger:

ShockValue: Is there any list I can write to?

[05:12:16]

Varanger:

kormoc: Is there any list I can write to?

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ShockValue:

eh?

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Varanger:

sorry... wasn't for you

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kormoc:

Varanger, mythtv-users mailing list, sure

[05:12:52]

Varanger:

ShockValue: Try compiling the kernel

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kormoc:

Varanger, http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/

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Varanger:

Then remove the modules from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/x11-drm

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Then remove the modules from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/x11-drm

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Varanger:

ShockValue: depmod -a

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ShockValue:

Varanger – yeah i added <M> to DRM and ATIDRM

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Reboot your system and good luck and good night (it's 01:00 am here)

[05:14:20]

ShockValue:

gnight, thanks for the pointers

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kormoc:

ShockValue, if you don't get it working tonight, when I'm at work tomorrow, I can get you every flag/package you need for xorg 7.0

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ShockValue:

how many hours until you are at work?

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Varanger:

I am new to Gentoo too (Debian user)

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kormoc:

ShockValue, 11 or so

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ShockValue:

ah ok, same time frame as me

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Varanger:

And I don't know how to compile xorg 7.0

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Varanger:

emerge x11

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Varanger:

and it compiled 6.8.2 .... how can I compile xorg 7.0 ???

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kormoc:

there is a hidden flag for DRM somewhere that needs to be set

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kormoc:

Varanger, you need to be using the testing branch (~x86) rather then stable (x86)

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ShockValue:

Varanger – are you ~x86?

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Varanger:

yep

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ShockValue:

it's probably in package.mask still

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Varanger:

I think I am using 2006.0 profile

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kormoc:

Varanger, have you emerged --sync lately?

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Varanger:

today

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kormoc:

Varanger, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml

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ShockValue:

yeah thats the doc i used.. been a while though

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Varanger:

kormoc: The problem is that if I emerge xorg-11 ... that will install 6.8.2

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Varanger:

not 7.0

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Varanger:

I think I should point the installation to testing rather than 2006.0

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kormoc:

Varanger, hrm... you sure it's not an issue with one of your installed packages requireing 6.8.2?

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kormoc:

Varanger, ~x86 *is* testing

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kormoc:

Varanger, don't change the profile unless you know what it'll change and you want those changes

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Varanger:

Something like: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge xorg-x11 ???

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kormoc:

Varanger, you don't really want to do that

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Varanger:

Will install xorg 7,0 ?

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kormoc:

Varanger, cause on every update, you'll need to do the same thing, and it will cause issues

[05:19:22]

Varanger:

Then how can I use ~x86 ?

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kormoc:

Varanger, to update your entire system to it, change the accept_keywords to ~x86 in your /etc/make.conf

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kormoc:

Varanger, or set it per package in /etc/portage/package.keywords

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Varanger:

I am learning Gentoo since I've used Debian sid for years now

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SuperLag:

I wouldn't do that unless you know *exactly* what you're doing.

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Varanger:

SuperLag: What wouldn't you do?

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SuperLag:

run your entire setup ~x86

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kormoc:

SuperLag, it's not that bad, lots better then switching profiles at random :)

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Varanger:

SuperLag: Then how can I emerge xorg 7.0 and firefox 1.5 ?

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SuperLag:

Varanger: unmask them on a per-package basis.

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kormoc:

Varanger, like I said, perpackage keywords in /etc/portage/package.keywords

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kormoc:

SuperLag, tho, with X, that's a lot of packages...

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RuisHome:

is it safe to compile mythtv and mythplugins at the same time? (in different terminals)

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SuperLag:

kormoc: yes, but there's a list you can download and copy it all over.

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ShockValue:

blah.. now that i've rebuilt my kernel, what packages to i have to re-emerge :)

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kormoc:

RuisHome, sure, but might as well wait, cause it will just make it slower.

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ShockValue:

unless you plan on firing them all off and going to sleep :)

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kormoc:

SuperLag, yeah, but alas, it doesn't have the ~x86 on the end of each line...

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RuisHome:

well i want to leave for a while and want things to finish by the time I get back. won't be around to start the second one.

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Varanger:

ShockValue: none of them, just remove the x11-drm folder inside /lib/modules/[your-kernel-version] and do "depmod -a"

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SuperLag:

kormoc: you don't need that.

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Varanger:

Reboot later

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kormoc:

RuisHome, then it should work fine

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kormoc:

SuperLag, ooh? has this changed lately?

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Varanger:

I am going to sleep now

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Varanger:

Bye... and ShockValue: Good luck again!

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kormoc:

Varanger, other then his X requires DRI/DRM setup cause he was using nvidia before?

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SuperLag:

kormoc: if you add an entry to your package.* files with no ~arch listed, it assumes the arch listed in make.conf

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ShockValue:

cu, thanks

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kormoc:

SuperLag, nice, that's new (to me at least :))

[05:24:54]

SuperLag:

kormoc: my main reason for saying not to rush to ~arch, is that would add a possibly unstable toolchain, and that has been known to cause lots of problems. Your mileage may vary. :)

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Varanger:

kormoc: If he can start X with "radeon" driver, it only needs the "radeon" drm and DRI will work

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ShockValue:

sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell.

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kormoc:

SuperLag, yeah, that's true

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kormoc:

Varanger, he can't right now

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kormoc:

ShockValue, good song :)

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Have you checked xorg.conf for something strange?

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ShockValue:

yes, there was a talking peach in there, but i erased it.

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kormoc:

Varanger, we haven't even gotten to setting up DRM in his xorg...

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ShockValue:

quite strange i thought

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Varanger:

kormoc: First, X must start first (with Direct rendering: NO)

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Varanger:

kormoc: Then, he should enable direct rendering

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Varanger:

They are 2 very different steps

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kormoc:

Varanger, yeah, he doesn't have that as the ati driver is attempting to open the /dev/dri/cards0 and it's not there...

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kormoc:

Varanger, and so the ati driver stops loading and X stops...

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Varanger:

ShockValue: Have you remove the folder and rebooted your system?

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ShockValue:

still compiling kernel

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kormoc:

Varanger, and how will that help? removing the drivers he just compiled in so it can not load on the reboot?

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Varanger:

kormoc: the folder x11-drm has the modules from x11-drm (emerged) not from the recently compiled kernel

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SuperLag:

someone here was telling me they use a mini-itx system for their Myth box... but I don't remember who it was.

[05:30:14]

kormoc:

Varanger, you sure? Mine doesn't get put there...

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Varanger:

kormoc: I did that last weekend.. as I said I am kind of Gentoo newbie and the guide wasn't working for me

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kormoc:

Varanger, the only kernel modules ati-drivers emerges for me is fglrx.ko, which is needed

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ShockValue:

i also emerged x11-drm

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ShockValue:

the guide told me to... <shrug>

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Varanger:

kormoc: that is because you have a line VIDEO_CARDS="ati" in make.conf or not?

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kormoc:

Varanger, I have it set to ati and radeon, yes

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Varanger:

ShockValue: the emerge x11-drm will still be /lib/modules after you finish compiling the kernel

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Varanger:

s/emerge/emerged

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ShockValue:

rebooting, brb

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Varanger:

Please be quick... my eyes are closing (tomorrow I will dring a lot of delicious hot coffee!!)

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kormoc:

x11-base/x11-drm needs the ati useflag set

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Varanger:

kormoc: and?

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Varanger:

so?

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kormoc:

Varanger, does he have it set?

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RuisHome:

kormoc, it looks like you have to let mythtv compile and install before mythplugins will compile. mythplugins is dependant on some stuff from mythtv.

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Varanger:

kormoc: Ashame of us... we haven't asked him ;)

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kormoc:

RuisHome, ahh, fair nuff, I tend to have one already compiled, so it just works

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kormoc:

Varanger, actually, I did, way back when, and he didn't, hence my saying, he has a bunch of packages that need useflags set to make it work... I still don't have the full list, as I'm digging though per package for the flags :P

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rtsai:

anyone have a PVR-500?

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rtsai:

my ivtv log shows that only the first tuner is being detected

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Varanger:

kormoc: I am leaving now... later I will read the logs to see if he was lucky

[05:38:10]

kormoc:

laters!

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Varanger:

kormoc: Last... x11-drm needed the flag in make.conf ... it wouldn't even have been built without the flag

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kormoc:

Varanger, not so, it can be built with the nv or i810 flags

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kormoc:

Varanger, he was using a nvidia before, remember?

[05:39:57]

Varanger:

kormoc: That's true

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Varanger:

bye

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** kormoc waves **

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ShockValue:

ok, rebooted... same error

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kormoc:

ShockValue, okay, make sure x11-base/x11-drm has the ati useflag set

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kormoc:

ShockValue, and x11-base/xorg-server has the dri flag set

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ShockValue:

eh, i just deleted and unmerged that...

[05:42:16]

ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/670761

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kormoc:

ShockValue, you need to add fglrx to your video_cards in your make.conf

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ShockValue:

aha

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ShockValue:

would that fix all my woes? :)

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kormoc:

might ;)

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ShockValue:

<sigh> hours later :)

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kormoc:

likely need some fixups to the xorg.conf file, but it should fix a bunch :)

[05:44:09]

Beirdo:

or go buy an nvidia card :)

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ShockValue:

i backed up my old one and ran that aticonfig thing

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kormoc:

Mr. sleepy head, he had one, but it had a gimped second pixelclock, so it can't do 1080i out the dvi

[05:44:47]

ShockValue:

i have 2 home morgages, bought 8 new tires, and have a crap paying job :)

[05:44:47]

Beirdo:

I ran ATI cards for almost three years. DRI NEVER worked for me

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ShockValue:

oh, and my music raid array is full... :(

[05:45:29]

kormoc:

ShockValue, so now you understand why I said last night that you can do a ati, but it's a pain :)

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Beirdo:

I doubt you'll be able to get the ATI card to handle HDTV, but I wish you luck

[05:46:22]

Beirdo:

those drivers are finicky as hell, but if you figure it out, the cards are actually quite good

[05:46:24]

ShockValue:

i hoping since its 2x as fast as my 5200 it will work

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kormoc:

Beirdo, until the second head on it just stops working right...

[05:46:57]

Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

Beirdo, or in otherwords, my work ATI just randomly died for the second head.

[05:47:06]

Beirdo:

I ran single-headed.

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Beirdo:

TV-only

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kormoc:

Beirdo, single mode works, dual head clone works, dual head not cloned refuses to work

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** kormoc sighs **

[05:47:26]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

sounds about right

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ShockValue:

i got my ati dual head to work, but not like windowz does it.. it was like 2 seperate sessions

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kormoc:

Beirdo, but it did work before, just rebooted and it stoped

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kormoc:

ShockValue, that's fine, that's how I like dualhead :)

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** Beirdo made his PVR now do a timed login... 15s, then mythtv user logs in, using ratpoison :) **

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kormoc:

ShockValue, if you get it to that level, just enabling xinerama in the xorg.conf makes it windows like

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Beirdo:

gdm rules

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ShockValue:

i ran gentoo as my desktop for a few months, a few months back, and DRI dual-head was fine.. but i started from scratch and used a guide to walk me through it

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ShockValue:

so i have no clue how i did it :)

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I just liked in my cron @reboot startx in the mythtv users cron :)

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Beirdo:

ick

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Beirdo:

:)

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ShockValue:

well this is going to be 20+ minutes.. so im gonna play a game or something...

[05:49:33]

ShockValue:

ill ping ya'll if you're awake then

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kormoc:

ShockValue, kk, g'luck!

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Beirdo:

and I finally made it use the built-in scheduling for running the filldatabase

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kormoc:

nifty

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Beirdo:

and the devel box has 5 nvidia cards in it ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

all of which have working glx

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Beirdo:

:)

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kormoc:

yeah, nice

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Beirdo:

glxinfo spews one hell of a lot on that machine ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I bet

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Beirdo:

I got the 550MHz RAM 6600 (128MB) for the devel box

[05:55:05]

Beirdo:

they only had one

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Beirdo:

so I got a 6600LE with 256MB for the PVR

[05:55:57]

Beirdo:

and the devel box has the FX5500 in it, MX4000, 2*MX440 :)

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Beirdo:

a decent range

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WAR_CH|LD:

Guys, I keep getting pauses when watching live TV........... http://pastebin.ca/50072

[05:56:32]

WAR_CH|LD:

errors found in that pastbin.

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WAR_CH|LD:

these pauses look to happen randomly every 10mins or so

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WAR_CH|LD:

any ideas?

[05:56:46]

Beirdo:

anyways, this time I REALLY am going to bed

[05:56:48]

Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

night

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kormoc:

night :)

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SlicerDicer-:

good god kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

Alias S.O.S.; Maternal Instinct

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SlicerDicer-:

2 hrs 1 min 16 GB

[06:07:20]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: How close to the edge is your CPU usage while playing? Is the source from a local HDD?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: one interesting note

[06:09:15]

SlicerDicer-:

since going firewire

[06:09:18]

SlicerDicer-:

the quality is kick ass

[06:09:22]

SlicerDicer-:

and check this out

[06:09:26]

SlicerDicer-:

this was with pvr350

[06:09:35]

SlicerDicer-:

Invasion The Fittest

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SlicerDicer-:

59 mins 2.1 GB

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SlicerDicer-:

now firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

Invasion Re-Evolution

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SlicerDicer-:

59 mins 1.4 GB

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kormoc:

your surprised?

[06:10:30]

SlicerDicer-:

well not really but its cool

[06:11:01]

SlicerDicer-:

I need new drives soon though

[06:11:01]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:11:33]

SlicerDicer-:

* Total Space: 442,956 MB * Space Used: 279,224 MB * Space Free: 163,732 MB

[06:11:47]

SlicerDicer-:

hd is murdering my space

[06:12:07]

kormoc:

sadly, I'm running out of places to put harddrives

[06:12:35]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe I can put 10 in my current mythcase

[06:12:48]

SlicerDicer-:

once that gets to the point of no return I will be getting a lian-li I think

[06:13:12]

SlicerDicer-:

actually thats 10 modifying the cd bays though hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

and using flopy drive bays

[06:13:32]

SlicerDicer-:

but I am planning on getting those drive bays to do air flow

[06:14:05]

SlicerDicer-:

of course this wont be till next year that I run out of space I am betting

[06:14:23]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112074

[06:14:51]

SlicerDicer-:

yep that one

[06:15:13]

SlicerDicer-:

well similar anyway I think

[06:15:24]

kormoc:

it only allows 20 drives

[06:15:43]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112108

[06:15:48]

SlicerDicer-:

that one I think would be cool

[06:15:49]

** kormoc ponders 20x 320 gb drives **

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SlicerDicer-:

looks sexy on teh front

[06:16:03]

SlicerDicer-:

I was thinking 500gb kormoc

[06:16:07]

SlicerDicer-:

although it might not be cost effective

[06:16:12]

SlicerDicer-:

I havent looked at the cost

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, I have to say, what you say is sexy and what I say is sexy is very different :P

[06:16:35]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, the 320 is the sweet spot right now

[06:16:39]

SlicerDicer-:

well it will match the tv I want kormoc

[06:16:42]

SlicerDicer-:

thats the thing

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SlicerDicer-:

so I can set the monster by it

[06:17:20]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah it did seem 320 was very cool in cost

[06:17:32]

kormoc:

tis why I have 3 of them

[06:17:58]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144394 yeah

[06:17:59]

SlicerDicer-:

wow

[06:18:06]

SlicerDicer-:

its like over 100$ cheaper than a 500gb

[06:18:12]

SlicerDicer-:

you can get 2 of those for the cost of 500gb

[06:18:16]

kormoc:

yup

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SlicerDicer-:

640 or 500 mmm I chose 640

[06:19:04]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah that lian li would do 6.4tb eh?

[06:19:10]

kormoc:

yeah

[06:19:10]

SlicerDicer-:

with 320gbs

[06:19:15]

SlicerDicer-:

that aint bad

[06:19:17]

dorel:

hey umm, if i'm importing manually an xmltv.xml to the database (like 'mythfilldatabase --file 3 0 xmltv.xml) what do i need to configure in mythtv-setup's video source?

[06:19:46]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: needless to say thats a pipedream at the moment

[06:19:47]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, tho, you'll have to look towards controlers as well

[06:20:07]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I can only do 4 onboard

[06:20:08]

SlicerDicer-:

heh

[06:20:26]

SlicerDicer-:

although if I switch my mobo to the other one

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, get two of the 12 disk 3ware controlers, do two 10 disk raid 0 arrays, and software raid 0 them

[06:20:37]

SlicerDicer-:

that is setting in the closet its not as nice for the power controls but its good

[06:20:40]

SlicerDicer-:

it will do 6 drives

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ShockValue:

closer!!

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: raid 0 is bad for if shit hits the fain right?

[06:21:03]

SlicerDicer-:

fan rather

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, totally, but with recorded video, does it matter?

[06:21:16]

kormoc:

ShockValue, yeah?

[06:21:22]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: point taken

[06:21:23]

Agrajag-:

dorel: that's what i do. but im not at my mythtv box at the moment. i haven't done anything unusual

[06:21:30]

SlicerDicer-:

but kormoc lvm if one explodes i dont lose data right?

[06:21:35]

SlicerDicer-:

or I only lose partial

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, sure does

[06:21:41]

SlicerDicer-:

vs raid

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean sure I would lose some data kormoc

[06:21:55]

SlicerDicer-:

but I mean I dont lose it all

[06:21:58]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, lvm you can recover some if you're lucky

[06:22:07]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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ShockValue:

kormoc – doesnt complain about DRM, but doesnt load X anywya... searchign for the right error

[06:22:18]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: damn that bites

[06:22:19]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, raid-0 not a chance

[06:22:27]

SlicerDicer-:

so what would I have to do to keep it to where I could recover "some"

[06:22:36]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean it would make me go postal to lose my entire seasons of lost

[06:22:36]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:22:49]

ShockValue:

raid5 is 1 disk failure tollerant and 1 disk wasted space

[06:22:50]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, raid-5 or raid-1

[06:23:29]

SlicerDicer-:

what does raid5 do?

[06:23:34]

SlicerDicer-:

I am not familar with raid really

[06:23:36]

SlicerDicer-:

other than the spray

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it stores a value that if you lose a drive, it can rebuild what the drive had, but it uses a entire drive

[06:24:14]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm interesting

[06:24:16]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, so a 3x 100 gb raid-5 array only gives you 200 gb of space, but you can lose any single drive without any worrys

[06:24:19]

ShockValue:

so if you have 10 100G drives, you get 900G usable space

[06:24:26]

ShockValue:

heh

[06:24:51]

SlicerDicer-:

so its fault tolerant at the expense of one drive?

[06:24:57]

kormoc:

aye

[06:25:00]

SlicerDicer-:

that aint so bad

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ShockValue:

kormoc – ok this is weird, X starts, but then .. doesnt.. but i dont get any (EE)

[06:25:17]

kormoc:

ShockValue, ooh? does dmesg say anything?

[06:25:19]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: that almost seems to be a good idea

[06:25:37]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it is if your data is only worth one drive :)

[06:25:46]

WAR_CH|LD:

Anduin, sorry for not getting back to you earlier.. it's Live TV... so the source is the tuner card....... CPU usage isn't not high

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: how can it be fault tolerant though for all the drives if only one drive... ohh no I have gone crosseyed

[06:26:16]

ShockValue:

kormoc – it says it loaded fglrx

[06:26:25]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, some people take say 4 2 drive mirrors and raid-5 them, which gives them the ability to lose upto 5 drives at once with 0 data loss.

[06:26:38]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it stores a calculated value, say something like this

[06:27:17]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, drive 1 byte 1 = 1, drive 2 byte 1 = 2, drive 3 value = 3, drive 2 goes down, so it's left with 1 + x = 3, solve for x, x = 3 – 1, x = 2.

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kormoc:

ShockValue, that's good, but huh, the lack of x errors is very strange

[06:27:47]

ShockValue:

it complains about something not being on 1:0:0 .. let me check

[06:28:06]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: whatever I suck at math.. I trust you hehe

[06:28:23]

ShockValue:

kormoc – http://pastebin.com/670809

[06:28:44]

kormoc:

ShockValue, that's all you get?

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SlicerDicer-:

brb kormoc

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ShockValue:

yeah, then it flashes my screen like its trying to start, but then drops me back to CLI

[06:29:09]

kormoc:

ShockValue, that's a typical warning, as ati's drivers suck, so just ignore it

[06:29:20]

kormoc:

ShockValue, is that the log file itself?

[06:29:28]

ShockValue:

no, let me post that

[06:29:35]

kormoc:

kk

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ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/670810

[06:35:12]

ShockValue:

i noticed that complained about DRI

[06:36:03]

kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf.ati

[06:36:19]

kormoc:

make sure your xorg.conf looks similar (namely the DRI section)

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ShockValue:

i just added DRI in my module load, and that error went away... still doesnt load X though

[06:37:05]

ShockValue:

but I do get:

[06:37:07]

ShockValue:

(EE) fglrx(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.

[06:37:07]

ShockValue:

(EE) fglrx(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.

[06:37:16]

kormoc:

(WW) fglrx(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum

[06:37:20]

kormoc:

that line concerns me

[06:38:00]

kormoc:

ShockValue, you don't have int10 loading, do you?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, fglrx(0): Specified desktop setup not supported: 8

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eiggirC:

what do I have to do to configure mythOSD ?

[06:40:01]

kormoc:

ShockValue, care to post your xorg.conf?

[06:40:05]

ShockValue:

sec

[06:40:09]

ShockValue:

ok, i rebooted and started x

[06:40:15]

kormoc:

yeah?

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ShockValue:

it started, but i got a screen of garbage, and it became unresponsive

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ShockValue:

but i can still SSH into it, so its not frozen

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kormoc:

icky :/

[06:41:02]

kormoc:

care to post that log with your xorg.conf?

[06:41:07]

ShockValue:

yeah

[06:41:20]

ShockValue:

you can SSH into that box for all I care :)

[06:41:58]

kormoc:

hehe

[06:42:16]

ShockValue:

interesting dmesg

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ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/670821

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kormoc:

huh

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ShockValue:

xorg.conf : http://pastebin.com/670822

[06:44:32]

kormoc:

ShockValue, uhh, where's your modes?

[06:44:52]

ShockValue:

i dunno, did they get whacked?

[06:44:59]

kormoc:

ShockValue, they're gone, aye

[06:45:16]

kormoc:

ShockValue, add in the three lines at the end of my xorg.conf I linked you

[06:45:22]

kormoc:

and add in a mode

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ShockValue:

kk, restarting

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** kormoc crosses his fingers **

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ShockValue:

plasma goes to [NO SIGNAL]

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kormoc:

ShockValue, you don't have a monitor hooked up to it?

[06:51:14]

ShockValue:

no, just the DVI

[06:51:28]

ShockValue:

[fglrx] Flat panel plugged in

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kormoc:

ShockValue, ooh, then change line 57 (Monitor) to "TV"

[06:51:55]

ShockValue:

dont i want DVI?

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kormoc:

Sure, but the TV is the name you gave the Monitor define for the TV

[06:52:35]

ShockValue:

oic

[06:52:41]

kormoc:

you could call is Plamas_Rox_and_ati_sux for all it cares

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ShockValue:

let me repost my xorg.conf, i cleaned it up a bit so it woudlnt confuse me

[06:53:27]

kormoc:

kk

[06:53:56]

ShockValue:

http://pastebin.com/670829

[06:54:26]

kormoc:

Yeah, so that doesn't work?

[06:54:36]

ShockValue:

no, my plaz loses signal

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kormoc:

might want to add back in the ModeLine "1920x1080@95i" 135.0 1920 1952 2464 2496 1080 1103 1112 1135 interlace line to the monitor section

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piku:

hey guys.. having trouble finding the setting that automatically saves the livetv ringbuffer into your recorded programs

[06:55:24]

piku:

anyone know where it's at?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, one thing I don't know offhand is if ATI supports interlaced videomodes to be honest. it does in windows, but it might not on linux

[06:55:42]

ShockValue:

hardcoded now i think Piku

[06:55:52]

kormoc:

piku, yeah, it just does it automatically now

[06:55:55]

piku:

ShockValue, well uhm.. what if you're flipping through channels ;)

[06:56:09]

kormoc:

piku, if it's under 30 seconds or so, it's auto deleted iirc

[06:56:15]

piku:

you end up with 100 recordings

[06:56:32]

piku:

I see...

[06:56:36]

kormoc:

piku, sure, but they get autoexpired when you need the space

[06:56:50]

piku:

kormoc, I just don't like the clutter

[06:57:04]

kormoc:

piku, you can turn off seeing them via the filter menu

[06:57:20]

kormoc:

piku, or do what I do, not view live tv via myth :)

[06:57:33]

piku:

kormoc, well I never used to

[06:57:41]

traxmac:

anyone here knows if the TwinhanDTV Cab-CI works?

[06:57:44]

piku:

kormoc, but my situation is different now with analog cable ;)

[06:57:47]

traxmac:

i.e. before I buy one

[06:59:13]

kormoc:

piku, fair nuff :)

[06:59:28]

piku:

kormoc, anyway, if it insists on recording htem/auto-expiring them

[06:59:32]

piku:

that's fine.. I'll just hide them

[06:59:42]

piku:

well this is new.. it keeps saying rebuffering over and over again

[06:59:58]

kormoc:

piku, yeah, it does, as it was much cleaner to do it that way rather then having two entirely seperate recording paths

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ShockValue:

i dont get it.. it seems to be starting just fine.. but i lose signal

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kormoc:

ShockValue, any hints in the logfile?

[07:00:23]

piku:

ah.. that rebuffering thing stopped

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kormoc:

ShockValue, ooh, btw, might want to make the mode line res to 1920x1080 (the target res)

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ShockValue:

i put in the modeline and changed the mode line

[07:01:27]

kormoc:

kk

[07:01:33]

kormoc:

so it's tring to force it as much as you can

[07:01:54]

ShockValue:

the logs suggest its set to 1920x1080.. but i just get ablack screen and cant exit out

[07:02:25]

** kormoc frowns **

[07:02:49]

kormoc:

!trout fglrx

[07:02:49]

** MythLogBot slaps fglrx with a trout on behalf of kormoc... **

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piku:

kormoc, thanks for the help :)

[07:03:28]

kormoc:

piku, you're welcome :)

[07:08:15]

ShockValue:

setting it to 640x480 gives me some random crap on the screen, but locks up just the same

[07:08:59]

** kormoc frowns **

[07:09:20]

kormoc:

ShockValue, I'm still concerned that the video bios wasn't passing the checksum, you sure that card is good?

[07:09:39]

ShockValue:

pulled it out of a working system 4 days ago

[07:09:58]

kormoc:

kk

[07:10:44]

kormoc:

Well, I should head to bed, I'll be back tomorrow, and if you can catch me at work, I can go over my setup there and see if there's anything odd that you might be missing

[07:10:55]

ShockValue:

kk, i appreciate your help

[07:11:11]

ShockValue:

i might not be alive tomorrow, leaving the TV in a non-functional state angers the wife-unit.

[07:11:11]

kormoc:

You're quite welcome, I do hope we can figure it out :)

[07:11:23]

ShockValue:

you happen to be in the seattle area?

[07:11:26]

kormoc:

hehe, uhh... g'luck with that, and chocolates might fix it :)

[07:11:29]

kormoc:

ShockValue, indeed I am

[07:11:38]

ShockValue:

me too, kinda.. Bremerton

[07:11:50]

kormoc:

ShockValue, coolness! another seattleite!

[07:12:05]

kormoc:

ShockValue, I'm gonna have to bug xris about having another meetup attempt

[07:12:19]

ShockValue:

if all else fails, ill just bribe you to come over for some beer or something >:)

[07:12:20]

kormoc:

ShockValue, last time we tried, it was just him and I hanging out like normal cause noone else showed up :P

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kormoc:

ShockValue, hehe, sounds good :)

[07:12:38]

kormoc:

ShockValue, actually, do you have a open pci slot?

[07:12:46]

ShockValue:

yeah

[07:12:58]

kormoc:

ShockValue, I have a 5200 that might work that I could loan you

[07:13:14]

kormoc:

I'll check specs and see what it clames to support

[07:13:26]

ShockValue:

check my setup: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php . . . readid=76789

[07:13:34]

ShockValue:

scroll down for the plasma/mythtv box pic :)

[07:14:10]

kormoc:

ShockValue, I'm envious :)

[07:14:36]

ShockValue:

i work for a plasma distributor... so i have first dibs on scratch+dent stuff

[07:14:39]

kormoc:

ShockValue, ooh! looks like my 5200 will do 2048x1536@85Hz on both outputs

[07:14:53]

kormoc:

ShockValue, yeah? how much of a discount do you get?

[07:14:56]

ShockValue:

ill trade ya my 5200 for it :)

[07:15:39]

ShockValue:

I got that one a bit below "cost".. it was no-box last season model.. so the low low price of 2500 or so

[07:15:40]

kormoc:

Heh, I don't need another gfx card, but perhaps we can work something out in the future :)

[07:15:47]

** kormoc nods **

[07:16:02]

ShockValue:

way more than I wanted to spend, but i was in the market, and its a nice display

[07:16:18]

kormoc:

I'm planning on getting a lcd for around 1,700 or so in the next few months

[07:17:02]

ShockValue:

locking in the refresh to 60hz @ 8x6.. see if that makes a diff

[07:17:09]

kormoc:

kk

[07:18:01]

SlicerDicer-:

dont you just hate it when your computer refuses to boot up?

[07:18:01]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[07:20:55]

ShockValue:

different resolutions give me different garbage.. but each resolution stays consistent :)

[07:21:08]

kormoc:

huh, so strange

[07:21:13]

ShockValue:

i think im going to make a last ditch effort to revert back to nvidia for tonight

[07:21:24]

kormoc:

kk

[07:21:29]

ShockValue:

i backed up my xorg.conf, so i dont think it should be too bad

[07:21:32]

kormoc:

I'll be around tomorrow to help out more :)

[07:21:33]

Blinkk:

i need to learn to paint.... ShockValue, how did you finish your sub?

[07:21:35]

kormoc:

yeah, shouldn't

[07:21:57]

ShockValue:

Blinkk – it's finished.. it's just that ugly black box :)

[07:22:04]

ShockValue:

oh, how..

[07:22:21]

ShockValue:

semi-gloss black spray paint.. with alight sanding between 3 coats

[07:22:28]

ShockValue:

it doesnt look that good.. i suck at painting

[07:22:31]

Blinkk:

lol

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kormoc:

g'luck with your nvidia switch

[07:22:36]

ShockValue:

thanks K

[07:22:42]

Blinkk:

mines not much better...

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ShockValue:

i wanted to do vaneer, but my wife wanted it to match the other ugly black speakers :)

[07:23:12]

Blinkk:

http://photos-311.facebook.com/n16/169/99/960 . . . 311_8105.jpg

[07:23:22]

Blinkk:

thats my diy sub

[07:24:38]

ShockValue:

holy crap thats big :)

[07:24:42]

Blinkk:

lol i know

[07:25:00]

Blinkk:

im thinkin bout buildin a smaller box for it so i get some tighter bass.... its just extremely boomy right now

[07:25:20]

ShockValue:

i think i need to stuff mine more.. i have some wall-lining, but no stuffing

[07:25:46]

Blinkk:

mines stuffed full of polyfill

[07:26:10]

Blinkk:

i didnt put a screen over the port tubes (i forgot) and it blows polyfill out every once in awhile

[07:26:28]

ShockValue:

hehe

[07:26:37]

ShockValue:

mines sealed so i dont have to worry about that..

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Blinkk:

id like to set up that xbox as a front end one of these days, but i dont need it right now

[07:28:23]

Blinkk:

the mythbox is right next to the sub now since thats where my router is

[07:32:44]

dorel:

has anyone tried loading an xmltv file to the database manually before?

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SlicerDicer-:

damn jfs corruption

[07:36:12]

SlicerDicer-:

damn it to hell

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ShockValue:

ok, im crabby

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ShockValue:

so i spent all night trying to get this ATI card to work, but it kept dropping to CLI

[07:42:26]

ShockValue:

so i re-install my nvidia.. and it's now dropping to CLI too!

[07:42:31]

ivor:

:)

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ivor:

anything informative logged in xsession errors?

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ivor:

or xorg log

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ShockValue:

so, instead of running startx as root, i run it as my normal mythtv user.. and it works just fine

[07:42:51]

ivor:

heh

[07:43:04]

ShockValue:

so now im thinking, maybe the ATI would have worked all along as my mythtv user

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ShockValue:

4 hours down the tube :(

[07:43:16]

ivor:

sounds like a plausible theory.

[07:43:23]

ivor:

I'd suggest a log trawl

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ShockValue:

yeah, kormoc and i poured over the logs for hours

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ivor:

and?

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ShockValue:

after the initial glitches, we were both stuck... no errors, no workie

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traxmac:

anyone here with a TwinhanDTV

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ivor:

if it runs as one user and not as the other, a look in the users ~/.xsession-errors is usually worthwhile.

[07:44:34]

ShockValue:

ooo

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ShockValue:

didnt know those existed :)

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ShockValue:

hmm.. no such file in /root/

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ShockValue:

ah well.. im gonna just have a beer, download some porn, and forget tonight existed

[07:46:09]

ivor:

give a 'brief' summary of what happens.

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ivor:

lol

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Blinkk:

why porn when u have a wife?

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ShockValue:

well, with the ATI... i would startx... the screen would flicker, and then display some garbage (it was cosistant, but changed with modes)

[07:47:01]

ShockValue:

but the machine was virtually locked up.. no response from keyboard

[07:47:07]

ShockValue:

but i could SSH in still to reboot it

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ivor:

ok but it didn't drop to the CLI?

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ShockValue:

it does with the nvidia, but not the ATI

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SlicerDicer-:

finally!!!!!!!!!!!

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SlicerDicer-:

sweet smell of mustard gas it works!

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SlicerDicer-:

without fiddling lol

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ShockValue:

ah well.. ill get back at it tomorrow.. gnight :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: are you around?

[08:15:41]

adante:

to anybody who uses multiple dvb cards: what build of mythtv do you use?

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stuarta:

adante: svn +local

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adante:

stuarta: sorry, i'm not that familiar with svn and have no idea what you mean

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stuarta:

i mean bleeding edge +patches for what I working on at the moment

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adante:

hmm ok

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adante:

suppose it can't hurt to give it a go

[08:37:05]

adante:

i'm just trying to figure out why i can't get myth to use multiple dvb cards simultaneously

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stuarta:

suggest reading -dev & -commits religiously if you do

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stuarta:

it should do, had it working with 0.19

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adante:

righteo, cheers

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stuarta:

how does it not use both cards?

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adante:

basically the 2nd one seems to be absolutely scrambled

[08:39:51]

adante:

the picture just looks incredibly blurred/smeared

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adante:

hard to explain but it has symptoms similar with poor reception

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stuarta:

so it's not that myth can't use it, it's that the picture is crap when using it?

[08:40:25]

adante:

well.. sort of

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: I'm still getting those missing recordings from my second card – did that get put down to a Hauppauge Nova-T issue in the end or was that the ages to tune thing?

[08:41:17]

haj:

Blinkk: why not porn when you have a wife?

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adante:

i mean i can use 3 mplayer's to play all 3 simultaneously without any problems

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adante:

but when i try recording 3 things at once in myth it just displays soup

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SlicerDicer-:

mishehu: are you here?

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SlicerDicer-:

damn it why is nobody around when I got something cool to show them! argh!

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you should try the patch in 1705, although DK should commit it soon

[08:43:07]

** Merlin83b looks **

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Merlin83b:

Wow, that's a lot of commits from Daniel!

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** Merlin83b fires up SSH to home :-) **

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stuarta:

he's been busy. I've yet to try 9743

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adante:

for an example of what I get: http://adante.11011.net/pics/DSC03904.JPG http://adante.11011.net/pics/DSC03905.JPG

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Merlin83b:

I'll svn update and stick that patch on.

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:SlicerDicer would somebody check that out and tell me if they think its readable and understandable as a basic rough guide

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SlicerDicer-:

I am working on doing complete firewire instructions

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Merlin83b:

Heh, such a small patch!

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jvs:

anybody uses nxtv here?

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applejack:

anyone know how to get ac3 sound working? I've got spdif out working, eg, I get normal PCM (DIGITAL) sound from my home theatre system, but when I select the ace spdif option in mythtv, ac3 sound is just garbage (like listening to the ac3 signal thru the analog jacks)

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Merlin83b:

The upgrade to 9744 and patch is done – will investigate when I get home.

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stuarta:

cool

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Merlin83b:

Unless I get some spare time (not too likely today) when I'll try to schedule a couple of things together.

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stuarta:

your other option is to run with your previous favourite version + patch

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steveb:

are there any alternative frontends for mythtv? i want something thats a bit more like an application, if that makes sense. something that doesnt take over the whole screen and can be resized.

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stuarta:

tried running it in a window?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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steveb:

stuarta: yeh. its ok. i just was wondering if there was anything else

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stuarta:

nope

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steveb:

also when i watch tv, the window loses its borders and things so i cant position it

[10:43:52]

steveb:

which is a bit annoying

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steveb:

that could be a wm thing though...

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Juski:

morning

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stuarta:

morning juski

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Juski:

how goes it? busy busy?

[10:56:47]

stuarta:

not bad, made some progress on scanning last night, so am happy

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Merlin83b:

Morning Juski. Just.

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stuarta:

surgury required comes to mind

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stuarta:

s/surgury/surgery/

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Juski:

it's all good though ;-)

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stuarta:

at least now I understand what it is doing, so I can fix it.

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Juski:

cool – always half the battle

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stuarta:

now just need to work which hooks to use to implement the correct logic.

[11:07:06]

Juski:

I see the chancellor is looking at taxing TV quiz channels :-)

[11:16:19]

stuarta:

best idea he's ever had :)

[11:16:33]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

now wtf is The Reg doing publishing an article from someone who compares botnets to Skynet in the Terminator films? 8-|

[11:17:59]

Juski:

plain ole scaremongery

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stuarta:

sounds like reporting found in the sun

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Juski:

'deadly' bots.. eek

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mchou:

heh, I found out why my system was crashing all the time

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Juski:

bit like 'deadly' bird flu

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stuarta:

mchou: enlighten us!

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mchou:

goddamn memory modules oxidized

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mchou:

on the contacts

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Juski:

cripes! that'd do it

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Juski:

dissimilar metals, probably

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stuarta:

bit of a clean here & there. Good as new???

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mchou:

I "erased" the contacts with a rubber eraser

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mchou:

and now the system is quite stable

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Juski:

only 'quite' ? ;-)

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mchou:

(knock on wood)

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mchou:

quite meaning uptime has been 12hrs

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mchou:

:)

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stuarta:

my previous random crashing was video card overheating

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applejack:

asking again in case you missed it: anyone know how to get ac3 sound working? I've got spdif out working, eg, I get normal PCM (DIGITAL) sound from my home theatre system, but when I select the ace spdif option in mythtv, ac3 sound is just garbage (like listening to the ac3 signal thru the analog jacks)

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mchou:

yeah, I found my vid card fan was stuck the other day too.

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stuarta:

I unplugged my fan when it was like that, stabilized the system

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mchou:

didnt know how long it's been like that

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Juski:

applejack: ac3 audio 'just works' (tm)

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applejack:

Juski, doesn't seem to

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stuarta:

then tried to put a new fan on it & killed the card :(

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mchou:

stuarta: heh, you crack the core?

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mchou:

gpu core

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stuarta:

suspect killed a data line, video corruption like memory being incorrectly written too

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mchou:

stuarta: always put stuff in the freezer prior to fan removal

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mchou:

makes tha compound brittle

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mchou:

easy to remove

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Juski:

... or use a heatgun to make it softer

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stuarta:

fan came off easily (it was still hot :)

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Juski:

I guess it's harder to screw up with the freezer method though

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mchou:

Juski: that's why I recommend it

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mchou:

virtually fool-proof

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stuarta:

problem was the mounting pins were slightly further apart than the mounting holes :(

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Juski:

applejack: what ac3 streams have you tried?

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applejack:

Juski, Channel 9 HD (Australia)

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applejack:

if I select the ac3 stream, the audio is very loud, and garbled

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Juski:

applejack: I dunno if ac3 passthru works for tv in mythtv.. or if it does, how it works

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applejack:

but only if I tick the ac3 spdif passthru option

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applejack:

ahhh

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Juski:

applejack: have you tried any other ac3 material?

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applejack:

Juski, nope

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Juski:

go try some. if you're stuck you can download dolby digital trailers

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stuarta:

look into alsa setup for ac3 passthru

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applejack:

stuarta, where would I find that?

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stuarta:

google???

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Juski:

time to go...

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kayelem:

Ah bum. I think I registered for mythtvtalk with an email address domain I don't own any more.

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kayelem:

D'oh!

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kayelem:

I shouldn't do stuff like that when I'm tired.

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gardengnome:

++re

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stuarta:

isn't today Teapot Thursday?

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Zider:

uhm, what..?

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ivor:

is it? need an faq on the wiki with this vital information.

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stuarta:

maybe not.

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

darjeeling surely

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Zider:

what is teapot thursday..?

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stuarta:

fridays are cartoon character friday...

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ivor:

its a warm up for toon friday

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stuarta:

it's where we get bored and assume the nick of a toon (on Fridays)

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ivor:

perhaps we need a different theme

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stuarta:

run out of flavours of tea pretty quickly

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ivor:

aha, I know porn star thursay. :)

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stuarta:

first pets name + mothers maiden name = PS name

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stuarta:

actually its -> first pets name + name of the first street you lived on = PS name

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ivor:

lol at daniels last trac.

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ivor:

stuarta: nah just use real ones. they're funnier.

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stuarta:

think dk's having a sense of humour failure...

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ivor:

he ought to join irc as a toon. that would cheer him up.

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** kazan waves **

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** gardengnome waves back **

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** ivor blows a rasberry **

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kazan:

heh

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kazan:

anyone know why my remote buttons bound to Return don't work

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ivor:

not pushing it hard enough?

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kazan:

no

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kazan:

it's being received

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kazan:

the returnenter key just isn't making it to myth it seems

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ivor:

oh all right then. <sensible mode> what's your binding.

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kazan:

what's my binding?

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ivor:

in .mythtv/lircrc

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kazan:

there is a button labeled "Ent" on my remote and it's set in lircrc to irxevent, config Key Return CurrentWindow

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ivor:

any reason you're using irxevent instead of the native lirc?

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kazan:

because that's what the example config uses :P

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kazan:

and i can use my remote in xine then too

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you can with native lirc as well..at least I do

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ivor:

ditto

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Zider:

I don't have a remote :(

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ivor:

kazan: and irw is showing "Ent" being pressed?

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ivor:

or is it ircat. I forget.

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kazan:

yes

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kazan:

irw

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kazan:

all buttons work

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kazan:

i setup /etc/lircd.conf using irrecord from scratch

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kazan:

it's not a signal problem

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ivor:

what about "ircat mythtv"

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kazan:

i know for a fact it's not a signal problem

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ivor:

does it show "Return"

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kazan:

i'm not at the machine

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kazan:

i only have console access

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kazan:

machine is 40 minutes away

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ivor:

ah. well that's no good.

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ivor:

</sensible mode> just get a really powerful remote then.

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** kazan grumbles and wonders why his port forwards on his dame router aren't working **

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kazan:

damn*

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kazan:

port 22 and port 23 forwarding aren't working

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kazan:

incoming port 8000 from WAN succesfully forwards to 192.168.0.5:80 ... so why the heck is wan:22 and wan:23 not fowarding to .5:22 and .5:23 despite being configured that way

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stuarta:

you haven't slapped your router hard enough?

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kazan:

apparently

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dorel:

ok here's the thing

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dorel:

i've manually imported xmltv.xml but i cant see it in mythfrontend -> program guide

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dorel:

ALTHOUGH

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dorel:

if i go to mythweb i do see it there in the 'tv listing'

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RaYmAn-Bx:

did you assign channelnumbers to the channels or switched off hiding channels without channel numbers? :)

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dorel:

im seeing the channel settings in the web and i can tell you

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dorel:

they're all marked 'visible'

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's not what I asked :)

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dorel:

they're all set on sourceid 3

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dorel:

they all have an xmltvid and i've assigned manually to some of them a channelid

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dorel:

well i didnt switched off hiding channels

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dorel:

no idea even where to do that

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dorel:

and i assigned channel numbers in mythweb to some of the channels, yes.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: daniel's just commited that fix

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Merlin83b:

Cool.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

dorel: so the channels show up in mythfrontend, just no programme data?

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dorel:

RaYmAn-Bx: nothing shows up on mythfrontend

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dorel:

RaYmAn-Bx: mythfrontend -> manage tv recordings -> schedule recordings -> program guide -> its showing me the date and time and nothing else. all of the boxes are empty.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

well..try and find the setting for showing channels without a channel number

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dorel:

but i just told you – i've assigned a channel number to some of them.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

try it anyways

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dorel:

alright

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dorel:

a sec, im launching mythtv-setup

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it can't hurt can it? :P

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dorel:

nope :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I think it's actually in mythfrontend configuration

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dorel:

really? ok a sec.

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dorel:

ok in mythtv-setup in channels editor there's a box 'hide channels without channel number' i've disabled it

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dorel:

ok still nothing

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dorel:

if i press the up or down arrow keys the program seg faults

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dorel:

and it's saying "guidegrid: you dont have any channels defined in the database. guidegrid will have nothing to show you"

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AngryElf:

!shockwave

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bookwood:

Hi, I cannot change the volume in mythtv. Well, the slider moves but the volume remains the same. I'm using alsa als output device and the mixerdevice is "default". Any Ideas?

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traxmac:

anyone know the status of twinhan cab-ci support in mythtv

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traxmac:

I see a patch was added to svn, but I am wondering if it works

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bookwood:

Btw, this si probably because I use the spdif output connectors. ...

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kayelem:

hmm... is there anyone in here who can un-break my mythtvtalk registration? I missed the magic ".uk" off the end of my email address late last night (or was it early this morning..?)

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stuarta:

you'll need to talk to the domain registrar you dealt with

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kayelem:

sorry, not being clear – mythtvtalk forum registration.

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stuarta:

!trout ivor

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** MythLogBot slaps ivor with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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ivor:

kayelem: I guess find a link to the guy who runs the site and send him a mail.

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ivor:

!trout MythLogBot

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of ivor... **

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Zider:

:P

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kayelem:

ivor, sent one already; I just suspect there might be the odd moderator lurking in here.

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J-e-f-f-A:

The fish are really jumping today, eh?!?

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kayelem:

!trout kayelem

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** MythLogBot slaps kayelem with a trout on behalf of kayelem... **

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kayelem:

that's for screwing up my forum registration :-}

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kayelem:

the email addy I used would have worked – about 2 years ago... dozy cow...

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stuarta:

i'm up to my eyeballs in NITs, PATs & SDTs :-/

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Zider:

say what..?

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stuarta:

dvb internals

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Zider:

ah

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Beirdo:

segfault?!

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Beirdo:

!trout MythLogBot

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

oh yeah, still have to fix that

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

grrr

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Beirdo:

stupid excess flood protection

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laga:

re Juski q

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Juski:

evening

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Beirdo:

there

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: That makes sense... ;-) The flood was before the Rainbow! ;-)

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Beirdo:

now it should be happy

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Beirdo:

!trout itself

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** MythLogBot slaps itself with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

heh, true

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Beirdo:

wonder what made it segfault?

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Beirdo:

memory, I bet

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ivor:

does it have the farts plugin?

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Beirdo:

hehe, nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I dunno... mytybackend does that to me from time to time too... What's the best way to troubleshoot that?

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Beirdo:

I didn't load it on this instance

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ivor:

I'll test it again...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, to test memory, memtest86.org is the only way to go

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mmead:

just run mythbackend in a loop :)

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Beirdo:

the one in the logging channel has it though

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J-e-f-f-A:

stuarta, mmead: So I'd use "ulimit -c xxxx" in my script just gefore starting mythbackend... What should the size be? I've got 512mb ram...

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stuarta:

ulimit -c unlimited

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J-e-f-f-A:

stuarta: thx.

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, you'll still need the debug symbols compiled in

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cliffd:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for all the help.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: humm... :- I doubt debug is on in the FC4 RPMs I have installed...

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stuarta:

look for a -debug rpm, otherwise you'll have to build it yourself.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, stuarta: I understand 100% what you're saying though — on our Tandem mainframes, you con only debug code that has not had the symbols 'stripped'... Thanks for your help.

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stuarta:

same here

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Beirdo:

the bot will be back shortly

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Beirdo:

now WORK, you bastard bot

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ivor:

!seen MythLogBot

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MythLogBot:

MythLogBot is here and has been idle for 13 seconds

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laga:

!crash

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ivor:

!seen !seen

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MythLogBot:

!seen has not been seen here

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

why can't we have the fart plugin?

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** stuarta farts **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh HELL

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Beirdo:

I figured out the problem

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** Beirdo gives his ISP the finger **

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Beirdo:

they made it so I HAVE to use an MTU of <= 1450

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Zider:

Beirdo: ...why?

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Beirdo:

because the DSLAM is shit? I dunno

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

hm.. MTU 1500 is default, right?

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laga:

DSLAM? that'd be a different layer, not IP, i believe

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Beirdo:

1500 is default for ethernet

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Zider:

yes

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Beirdo:

now why my damned OpenBSD box isn't fragmenting things, I dunno

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Beirdo:

but it isn't

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Beirdo:

so I had to lower MTU on my network

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Zider:

they should move over to "jumboframes" imo :P

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hashbang:

Beirdo: I've walked in in the middle of this discussion. What problems are you having?

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Beirdo:

SVN wouldn't serve me data

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hashbang:

Beirdo: do you allow both inbound and outbound ICMP type 3 code 4?

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Beirdo:

no idea offhand

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hashbang:

also, note that fragmentation is a PITA.

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Beirdo:

either way, the router SHOULD notice that its outbound MTU is lower than the inbound

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hashbang:

since your firewall won't be able to use sport/dport to filter.

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Beirdo:

sure you can

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hashbang:

not on the fragments.

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Beirdo:

most firewalls defragment before filtering

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hashbang:

ugh!

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nuxil:

hi all..

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nuxil:

can mythtv play binfiles as mplayer can? i mean can the internal player handle bin files?

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Beirdo:

anyways, that will all change shortly when I move

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hashbang:

Beirdo: also, Linux's TCPMSS target considered useful

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hashbang:

(--clamp-mss-to-pmtu)

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

don't care

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

will be using a different ISP in a short time

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nuxil:

hmm anyone?

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ivor:

funnilly enough... none of the rest of us do either.

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hashbang:

Beirdo: if you need to tweak MTU, clamping MSS to PMTU is useful whatever.

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hashbang:

Beirdo: also, what country are you in? UK?

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Beirdo:

Canada

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hashbang:

right...

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hashbang:

just that until ~2003 or so, MTU of 1458 was required to traverse BT's core network

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hashbang:

they upgraded a bunch of kit, and it's reputed not to be necessary any more

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hashbang:

but obv. that's not relevant for you. :-)

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Dug02:

What is a good SUPPORTED NTSC/HD Tuner card for myth?

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Beirdo:

yay

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Beirdo:

OK, THAT bug is also fixed

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Beirdo:

if I had known it was just plugin code, i woulda unloaded the plugins and fixed them that way

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just you wait, you bastards

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: what is PEBKAC?

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Anduin:

mmead: google it

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laga:

mmead: problem exists between keyboard and chair

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mmead:

lol

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laga:

Anduin: no, that would be RTFM

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laga:

or STFW

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Beirdo:

JFGI

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Juski:

any of the above, or even ME (mental entropy)

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Zider:

it's an ID-10-T error

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Juski:

feeling victorious again – got my heated towel rail on the wall. where plumbers get their prices from I'll never know

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ivor:

Juski: yeah plumbing is easy.

[20:38:13]

Juski:

I hate to think how much my Â£1000 bathroom would've cost if we'd got a man in

[20:38:15]

ivor:

having all the right tools helps of course

[20:38:41]

Beirdo:

Juski: more fun to get a woman in?

[20:38:56]

Juski:

Beirdo: yeh – but prolly more expensive

[20:39:09]

Beirdo:

oh likely

[20:39:13]

Juski:

could be a niche market though – naked plumbers

[20:39:24]

Beirdo:

women are great, but they tend to cost us no matter what

[20:39:29]

Juski:

as opposed to the Â£200 an hour hairy arse-crack guys

[20:39:32]

Beirdo:

yeah

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dtm:

Juski: definitely in the san francisco bay are

[20:39:34]

dtm:

a

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** Juski lives nowhere near a YMCA **

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** Beirdo starts to not off **

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Beirdo:

nod

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Beirdo:

damn you fingers

[20:43:22]

Ruis:

why does mythtv expect lircrc to be ~/.mythtv/lircrc instead of every other program that expects it to be ~/.lircrc ?

[20:43:26]

mmead:

Beirdo: was it hard to find work down in PR?

[20:43:43]

Beirdo:

still haven't got work

[20:44:29]

mmead:

Beirdo: I had toyed with the idea of a caribbean locale a while back, would be hard to do, even with my current telecommuting situation

[20:44:36]

Beirdo:

Ruis: because it's coded that way?

[20:44:57]

Ruis:

Beirdo, heh. but why was it coded that way? we may never know.

[20:45:01]

Beirdo:

well, it will be a nice change that's for sure

[20:45:37]

mmead:

Beirdo: yep

[20:45:51]

mmead:

Beirdo: 78–80 degrees at almost all times of the year is quite nice :)

[20:45:52]

Beirdo:

snow sucks

[20:46:13]

mmead:

Beirdo: snow's annoying to deal with, but mostly because of other people that cannot function in it

[20:46:26]

mmead:

Beirdo: I used to live in WI, and you went to work unless there was more than 12" on the roads

[20:46:30]

Beirdo:

and it's cold, messy, and needs shoveling

[20:46:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I grew up half way up Georgian Bay

[20:46:51]

mmead:

:)

[20:46:52]

Beirdo:

a couple lakes over

[20:46:54]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:46:58]

mmead:

so you probably know how to drive in it :)

[20:46:59]

Beirdo:

we got all the snow

[20:47:05]

mmead:

unlike most people

[20:47:15]

Beirdo:

yeah. it's like dancing a ballet for some people

[20:47:24]

Beirdo:

hey BUDDY! get some snow tires!

[20:47:30]

mmead:

all it really takes is snow tires and a little practice

[20:47:39]

Beirdo:

and to slow the hell down

[20:47:40]

mmead:

packed snow is probably the most consistent surface to drive on

[20:47:46]

mmead:

not a lot of grip, but it's damn predictable

[20:47:50]

Beirdo:

another thing most people can't hack

[20:48:15]

Beirdo:

I'd rather be on a snowmobile than a car in the snow

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mmead:

never done that – bet it's fun

[20:48:26]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

especially on a large frozen lake

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Beirdo:

80mph and still not at full speed. Yeeehaw

[20:49:04]

Beirdo:

then you hit a snow drift... and fly. ooops

[20:49:04]

rav3r:

could someone tell me how to update my kernel in fc4?

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Beirdo:

rav3r: maybe #fedora?

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rav3r:

i'm the only one there :(

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rav3r:

oops

[20:50:18]

rav3r:

i clicked on your's with the ?

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

Beirdo: you use ATSC?

[20:51:03]

Beirdo:

not yet

[20:51:04]

Beirdo:

:)

[20:51:12]

Beirdo:

there's a card working its way to me

[20:51:19]

Beirdo:

should get here just as I move

[20:51:36]

Beirdo:

hopefully before

[20:51:45]

stuarta:

damn, just trying to understand how to uniquely identify an ATSC transport

[20:51:52]

Beirdo:

hmm

[20:52:00]

Beirdo:

dopester would be the person to talk to

[20:52:15]

laga:

or danielk, maybe

[20:52:17]

Beirdo:

he's the one that did a lot of the air2pc driver work

[20:52:21]

stuarta:

I can infer it from a few table dumps...

[20:52:38]

Beirdo:

yeah, maybe danielk too, but I'd bet dopester knows the internals pretty well

[20:52:48]

Beirdo:

if ya can ever find him on

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stuarta:

but DK's never on IRC.

[20:53:04]

stuarta:

oh well, back to the docs

[20:53:24]

Beirdo:

yeah, he's even more rarely around

[20:53:36]

Beirdo:

too busily busting stuff in SVN, and then fixing it :)

[20:54:51]

Beirdo:

oooh, a cheech & chong movie on tomorrow?

[20:54:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

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[20:55:06]

Beirdo:

I could use some stoner humor, I think I'll record that

[20:55:17]

stuarta:

I'm trying to unbust some stuff :)

[20:55:29]

Beirdo:

good :)

[20:56:17]

Beirdo:

my brain wants to start doing gputrans stuff, but I will be packing the bloody computers in a few days

[20:56:20]

Beirdo:

sigh

[20:56:35]

laga:

not only your brain wants you to do that ;)

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Beirdo:

other parts of me have other ambitions... that also are on hold for a bit

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laga:

heh

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Beirdo:

OMG, here's a definite stinker of a movie: Spice World

[20:59:02]

Beirdo:

mmead:

no no no, that's the one you set "never expire" for

[21:00:23]

Beirdo:

OMG and it's on several times

[21:00:29]

hashbang:

feggen Spice Gurlz, feggen bedges.

[21:00:35]

mmead:

they want to catch each kid as they are on spring break

[21:02:20]

** laga likes their music **

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Beirdo:

laga: you are SOOOO odd

[21:03:00]

** mmead can tolerate some of those songs when he's coding away and heads-down **

[21:03:01]

laga:

i was just kidding, dammit. ;)

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Beirdo:

it's music to play the videos for... muted

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stuarta:

laga: you nearly copped a trout then!

[21:03:29]

laga:

mmead: no, you need GOOD msuci for hacking ;)

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mmead:

laga: hehe

[21:03:42]

** laga will give special credit to metallica on his MeinMythTV **

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laga:

;)

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laga:

music*

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laga:

stuarta: heh ;)

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mmead:

laga: they play on some dance/trance internet radio station versions of their songs sometimes

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laga:

mmead: humm, right. i used to enjoy some metal versions of their songs

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mmead:

^_^

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SlicerDicer-:

lol at the pebkac

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I noticed you didn't put in your final notes that you wrote it up to avoid me bugging you more :)

[21:29:24]

SlicerDicer-:

nah I put that there due to me making common mistakes very often

[21:29:33]

SlicerDicer-:

then I ask for help and look like a idiot when its a simple syntax error

[21:29:34]

SlicerDicer-:

:)

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mmead:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: knows I am a PEBKAC master!!!

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kormoc:

master? you invented it!

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: did you see what I wrote up?

[21:30:38]

** xris drools at 15M/2M fibre from verizon.... **

[21:30:48]

SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:SlicerDicer xris take a look at that

[21:30:48]

kormoc:

xris, can we get it?

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xris:

maybe in the fall

[21:30:59]

xris:

not there yet, though.

[21:31:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ist it coming in your area?

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kormoc:

that would be awesome

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mmead:

xris: they are wiring up all around me, but I'm not in a large neighborhood, so they probably won't see the economic return of doing it

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: your in verizon area?

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J-e-f-f-A:

You'll all like it, it's FFFAAAASSSSTT!!!!

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, you should put it not in your user page imho

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: its just there till I clean it up and then move it to the firewire page

[21:31:44]

SlicerDicer-:

I need to clean it up yet

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SlicerDicer-:

thats just rough for now to get people what they need

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mmead:

SlicerDicer-: I will be installing the firewire card and airstar hd5000 tonight... hopefully your comments do the trick on the fw

[21:33:16]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I have been trying to get peoples oppinion on it

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SlicerDicer-:

and see if its good to go on the main firewire page and see what they think needs to be changed :)

[21:33:43]

mmead:

SlicerDicer-: it looks pretty good – I'd polish a little more before the fw page – once I get through it tonight I'll put some comments in talk

[21:33:52]

SlicerDicer-:

ok mmead

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SlicerDicer-:

I just typed that up late last night not caring about grammar or shit like that so

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: and btw just adding read permissions on the raw1394 was not enough

[21:36:47]

SlicerDicer-:

it is very anal and will not work unless its user/group mythtv

[21:36:51]

SlicerDicer-:

strange eh?

[21:37:05]

SlicerDicer-:

had to modify the udev rules a bit more last night

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Spruit_elf:

does anyone know why my mythweb tv guide shows everything perfect and i can search in programs using the frontend, but the frontend guidegrid says its empty and when trying to move the cursor segfaults?

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rtsai:

ivtv only reports the first tuner on my pvr500. anyone see this problem?

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kazan:

figured out why my enter key wasn't working

[23:00:49]

kazan:

turns out there are two pairs of non-unique keys on my remote

[23:00:56]

kazan:

Repeat/Enter and Subtitle/Guide

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kazan:

anyone?

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kormoc:

kazan, what?

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kazan:

nevermind

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kazan:

figured it out

[23:06:19]

kazan:

"Key Space CurrentWindow" doesn't work

[23:06:23]

kazan:

"Key space CurrentWindow" does

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kormoc:

you never asked a question...

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kazan:

bah packetloss

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mythabuser:

i posted my x log and conf files here: http://pastebin.ca/50294 could someone take a look?

[23:10:57]

mythabuser:

my svideo out isn't working

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kormoc:

and what's it doing?

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mythabuser:

in isn't doing anything

[23:12:05]

mythabuser:

nothing is showing up

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mythabuser:

the crt out of the same card is working

[23:12:34]

laga:

# Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" – why did you comment that out?

[23:13:19]

Beirdo:

good question

[23:13:32]

mythabuser:

i don't remember, i did all that a few months ago and got everything working, but now my capture card isn't working, and in the process of updateing stuff to get that working, my graphics card stopped working

[23:13:35]

kormoc:

I'm cleaning itout...

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kormoc:

mythabuser, you just want it cloned, right?

[23:14:03]

mythabuser:

i had two screens before

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kormoc:

you want them seperate or not?

[23:14:25]

mythabuser:

i would prefer seperate, but not a deal breaker

[23:14:51]

mythabuser:

that way, i was able to make the monitor higher res

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kormoc:

mythabuser, try this: http://pastebin.ca/50298

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mythabuser:

ok, i'll try it, thanks

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mythabuser:

silly question, how can you copy/paste out of pastebin and not get the line numbers?

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dtm:

mythabuser: you use rafb.net/paste

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dtm:

afaik

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kormoc:

mythabuser, there's a text box at the bottom for editing, copy and paste out of that

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mythabuser:

duh, thanks

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mythabuser:

been a while, im a bit rusty

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mmead:

mchou: have you seen any of this with firewire?

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mmead:

ohci1394: fw-host0: IR DMA error – OHCI error code 0x05

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mythabuser:

i still have "NVIDIA(1): Unable to find available Display Devices for screen 1."

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kormoc:

toss up the log

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praet:

mmead: that doesnt look so good

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** Beirdo tosses his cookies instead **

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** laga sobs **

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mmead:

kormoc: there's really no other error message

[23:28:01]

mmead:

kormoc: it's just that repeated like crazy in dmesg

[23:28:15]

kormoc:

mmead, hrm, what firewire card is this?

[23:28:15]

mmead:

kormoc: if I run test-mpeg2 to capture from the cable box all by itself to disc, no issues

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mmead:

kormoc: as soon as I run mplayer on the output file, wam, those things like crazy

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laga:

still no dice. mythtv is still looking in /usr/share/ for the goddamn theme! you're supposed to look in /usr/, stupid *§&(&%

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praet:

mmead: are you getting gaps in your playback?

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mmead:

kormoc: it is happening with an old PyroDV 1394 card, as well as as new adaptec 4300cs

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mmead:

praet: mplayer complains of all sorts of stream corruption

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praet:

is that a live stream you are testing with or a recording

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mmead:

praet: I am using test-mpeg2 to pull the live stream to disk from the cable box

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mmead:

praet: then simultaneously running mplayer on it

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mythabuser:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/50301

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praet:

mmead: from the mailinglist archive: IR is isochronous Receive and "DMA error" is a BAD

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mmead:

praet: yeah, saw that in the archives

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kormoc:

mythabuser, wow, old crt you got there...

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praet:

mmead: any recent kernel updated?

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mmead:

praet: hmm, I'm on 13.1 still

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praet:

mmead: could you try booting to a diff kern and try again

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mmead:

praet: dropped back to it from 16.1 recently to get back to a stable system

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kormoc:

mythabuser, http://pastebin.ca/50303 give that a try

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mmead:

praet: yeah, will boot to 2.6.16.1

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praet:

are you irc'ng from the machine

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mythabuser:

it tells you what crt i have? that weird

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mmead:

some other good news, my air2pc and my airstart hd5000 are both working well

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mmead:

praet: no, but it is also the router/firewall

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mmead:

praet: :/

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mythabuser:

it's probably 15 years old

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praet:

heh

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kormoc:

mythabuser, nah, it doesn't support reporting of any info to the card, hence it being old

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mmead:

praet: need to either flash to openwrt on my wrt54gs and set it up to do my QoS networking for VOIP, or build my old myth system into a firewall

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mythabuser:

what? but its a "Packard Bell" !!!

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mythabuser:

:)

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mythabuser:

i stole it from my parents, when i moved away from home about 10 years ago

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kormoc:

hehe, fair nuff :)

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jim_u:

heres one for you guys... how do i tell mythfrontend what lircd pipe to listen to? like /dev/lircd1

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mythabuser:

kormoc: that seems to work, but the screen is grayscale

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praet:

jim_u: for a channel changing script (ir blasting) or for receiving?

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jim_u:

recieving

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praet:

when you start lircd use lircd --device=/dev/lirc1 --output=/dev/lircd1

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praet:

then test

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mythabuser:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/50304

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mythabuser:

i think the cable was just a little loose

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mythabuser:

thanks for your help

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Zider:

oh, I'm so smart.. running a udma2 drive when I have a spare udma5.. :P

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Zider:

no wonder it didn't quite cope with recording from tv.. :P

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kormoc:

mythabuser, you're wecome

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kormoc:

*welcome

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mythabuser:

any way to get the crt bigger then 640 x 480

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mythabuser:

?

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enyc:

hrrm im sure it runs at other resolutions ;-)

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Zider:

mythabuser: got any weird modelines in your x config?

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enyc:

Im not sore about howto though

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mythabuser:

weird modelines?

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Zider:

can you pastebin your x conf?

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