| Monday, April 17th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:28] | Zider: | is anyone else here experiencing very low volume when playing movies compared to the music or other sound? |
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| [00:28:14] | LLyric: | I've I transcoded something from pvr-350 native format to mpg4, is there any way to put it back? The pvr350 sucks for non-native recordings |
| [00:30:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | nuvexport |
| [00:30:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | nuvexport to a mpg file, then copy the new file over the old, then run "mythcommflag --rebuild" |
| [00:32:08] | UBL: | the pvr350 sucks for non-native recordings cause its using your cpu, not pvr350 |
| [00:33:44] | LLyric: | It sucks because it's using the overlay/framebuffer layer on the pvr350, not the built-in decoder |
| [00:34:03] | LLyric: | The same PC plays divx/avi etc fine, using the normal video card |
| [00:34:16] | LLyric: | (it's got an nvidia, and the pvr-350) |
| [00:34:30] | UBL: | playing the mpeg2 recordings is slow? |
| [00:34:39] | LLyric: | No, they're fine |
| [00:34:51] | LLyric: | The problem is playing non-native recordings using the pvr-350 |
| [00:35:04] | UBL: | oh |
| [00:35:06] | LLyric: | Because it can't use the decoder, it has to use the tv-out as a simple framebuffer |
| [00:35:17] | LLyric: | The framebuffer on that particular card is really slow |
| [00:35:27] | LLyric: | sinec it's just designed for OSD (teletext, subtitles, etc) |
| [00:35:39] | LLyric: | Not full-frame full-rate updates |
| [00:35:58] | LLyric: | Experimentally, having a faster CPU in the box doesn't effect it much |
| [00:35:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | are you using XVideo (Xv)? |
| [00:36:47] | LLyric: | Presumably, though I'll check the mplayer args now |
| [00:37:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | lots of people use the 350 for playing non-mpeg2 stuff. there's even a wiki page on the myth site. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XV_on_PVR-350 |
| [00:38:04] | LLyric: | okay, cool, it must have moved on a bit since I last looked into this seriously |
| [00:38:34] | LLyric: | I'm just getting back into this, "proof of concept", to convince the wife to allow me to spend $ on HD/digital solution, rather than just analogue :) |
| [00:39:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | back when I bought my HD cards, just explaining the concept of the broadcast flag got my wife convinced of that. then when I talked about "what if this card dies next year", she suggested a spare (which now is in use along side the first card). :) |
| [00:40:17] | LLyric: | hehe, good show :) |
| [00:40:34] | ** LLyric expects to buy the dual-tuner dvico, at this stage ** | |
| [00:40:46] | UBL: | you guys using 2.4 kernel? |
| [00:40:48] | LLyric: | And use the analogue as a backup (third recorder) |
| [00:40:49] | LLyric: | Anyone used that? Should be fine |
| [00:41:25] | LLyric: | UBL: not I, I'm using fedora 5, with atrpms (cough *evil* cough), for simplicity |
| [00:41:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | 2.6.11 on my HD box, 2.4.x elsewhere except my dev box. |
| [00:42:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | you mean the ATSC & analog card? |
| [00:42:30] | UBL: | i'm having problems with newest ivtv (4.4)and 2.4 kernel |
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| [00:42:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | if so, you can only use one of those at a time, the card has one tuner that can receive either since they're in the same frequency range. |
| [00:43:07] | LLyric: | UBL: latest ivtv is 0.6.1 iirc, which requires 2.6 |
| [00:43:16] | LLyric: | Captain_Murdoch: dual-digital |
| [00:43:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, ok. :) cool. |
| [00:43:45] | LLyric: | http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx |
| [00:44:06] | UBL: | 4.4 is latest stable one and has instructioons but at the end of them is says "can someone confirm these instructions for 2.4" |
| [00:44:49] | UBL: | just a headache, hope 2.6 kernel fixes it |
| [00:45:25] | LLyric: | I think there's a lot of changes on 0.6.1 |
| [00:45:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | still running 0.4.0 here on a stock 2.4.20 redhat kernel. |
| [00:45:53] | LLyric: | And I think they're gonna love 0.6.x more than 0.4 pretty soon, if not already |
| [00:46:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | dual digital is nice. I think my 2 single atsc cards are fine now, but if they had a dual-atsc model that worked in linux I might pick one up. |
| [00:46:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | oh well, gotta run, movietime.... |
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| [00:48:42] | gurft: | UBL: I'm running 4.4 with kernel 2.4 |
| [00:49:13] | gurft: | Doh, sorry, 4.4 with 2.6.12 ;) |
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| [00:50:27] | gurft: | what do folks use to rotate their mythlogs? Anything stock with Ubuntu I can use or should I just whip something up. |
| [00:50:58] | UBL: | i think you can send some signal to mythbackend and it will rotate it |
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| [00:54:52] | dtm: | gurft: whip?! logrotate has been the standard on linux since forever |
| [00:55:31] | dtm: | gurft: you think all the logs that are currently being rotated on your system are mysteriously hardcoded into the log rotator's source code, so myth's logs can't be added to rotation, or something? :) |
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| [00:56:31] | SarahEmm: | just wanted to follow up on the captioning brokenness in 0.19... dug through the code and found that 0.19 requires a 2.6 series kernel to support CC |
| [00:56:44] | SarahEmm: | it queries a function that was only added in 2.6 to get VBI information, which .18 didn't do. |
| [00:56:56] | SarahEmm: | upgraded my box to 2.6 (was time anyway) and i have captions again! =^.^= |
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| [01:02:48] | JeffH: | What's a good digital tuner to use for a Myth box? |
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| [01:05:10] | kayelem: | JeffH, I'm using a Hauppauge Nova T here ok. (uk, DVB-T) |
| [01:07:47] | LLyric: | I note that they've just released a dual nova-t-500. Looks interesting. |
| [01:11:44] | JeffH: | kayelem: I looked at those on Hauppauge's website and they all seemed to be for the european market. |
| [01:13:42] | SarahEmm: | afaik most stuff is encrypted and not receivable on this side of the pond. |
| [01:13:49] | SarahEmm: | most people use a digital box with an IR blaster |
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| [01:16:18] | JeffH: | so are you saying I'm SOL for getting a digital tuner? |
| [01:16:40] | SarahEmm: | i'm not 100% sure. but i think you might be |
| [01:17:24] | JeffH: | guess I'll just go with a WinTV-PVR-250 |
| [01:17:29] | SarahEmm: | s'what i'm pondering too. |
| [01:19:20] | Anduin: | JeffH: Why the 250? |
| [01:19:46] | JeffH: | cause last time I looked at tv tuners that looked like the best option. |
| [01:20:05] | JeffH: | Sarah, what motherboard are you going to use? |
| [01:20:09] | SarahEmm: | a lot of people argue the 250 does give better picture quality than the 150/500 |
| [01:20:19] | SarahEmm: | JeffH: i have a system already, have been using myth for years |
| [01:20:26] | JeffH: | ooh |
| [01:20:27] | SarahEmm: | i'm using a cheap bttv card now tho, pondering moving to a 250 |
| [01:20:44] | SarahEmm: | the latest myth (0.19) supports closed captioning on -250s finally, so it'd drop my cpu load a lot to switch |
| [01:20:53] | SarahEmm: | and i'm at 100% cpu load right now watching live tv |
| [01:20:54] | Anduin: | I've seen arguments saying the opposite (that the 150's picture quality is better). |
| [01:20:57] | SarahEmm: | ahh |
| [01:20:59] | SarahEmm: | *shrug* |
| [01:21:05] | SarahEmm: | Anduin: -150/-500 don't support VBI data right now |
| [01:21:16] | JeffH: | you use CC? |
| [01:21:46] | Anduin: | SarahEmm: I know, though I thought there was work on the ivtv-dev list about that as well. |
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| [01:22:35] | JeffH: | I think I'm going to spec out the hardware I'd buy. |
| [01:22:56] | JeffH: | does amd vs intel make much difference? |
| [01:23:48] | blawson: | I am having problems with my program guide. When I go into it it lags very badly. Eventually it responds, but then as soon as I move the selector to another show/channel it locks up again for a little while. |
| [01:24:04] | SarahEmm: | Anduin: there is, but it's not there yet... |
| [01:24:14] | SarahEmm: | Anduin: i'd love to use a -500, two tuners :) i only have one PCI slot so.. |
| [01:24:28] | dtm: | JeffH: no there is no reason for AMD to exist and they're going out of business tomorrow due to no differentiation. they're doing it as a courtesy to intel; they figured innovation is rude. |
| [01:25:09] | SMDBlink: | hey guys im back again |
| [01:25:41] | LLyric: | blawson: very slow pc? |
| [01:25:47] | LLyric: | I have similar experience |
| [01:25:51] | Anduin: | blawson: Played with the paint options for it? (If your video card isn't that great or not configured right it can be very slow). |
| [01:26:01] | blawson: | no, intel celeron mobile OC'd to 2.5ghz, 512mb ram |
| [01:26:11] | LLyric: | I see that 0.20 is going to use OpenGL for guide :) |
| [01:26:16] | blawson: | hrm, could be the video card |
| [01:26:24] | LLyric: | Okay, there's something wrong then, my celeron 566 works fine :) |
| [01:26:25] | blawson: | i will be moving it to a pvr 350 tv-out |
| [01:26:49] | blawson: | currently the video is an onboard sis with whatever drivers ubuntu loads |
| [01:26:52] | Anduin: | blawson: Yeah, that isn't exactly going to help. |
| [01:27:32] | Anduin: | blawson: play with the shading method for the program guide in the setup |
| [01:27:53] | blawson: | Is there anyway to turn the preview window off in .19? |
| [01:28:41] | JeffH: | MythTv has been around for at least a few years right? |
| [01:29:05] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [01:29:06] | JeffH: | Why is it still at such a low version? |
| [01:29:07] | SarahEmm: | quite a few |
| [01:29:29] | Anduin: | blawson: Yes. |
| [01:29:51] | blawson: | Anduin: how would I do that? i looked through the setup menus but didnt see anything for it |
| [01:30:46] | Anduin: | blawson: Setup | TV Settings | Playback (hit next a few times) |
| [01:30:49] | SMDBlink: | hey Anduin im back |
| [01:30:54] | GreyFoxx: | JeffH: Version numbers are arbitrary |
| [01:31:05] | GreyFoxx: | as long as they increase that's all you need |
| [01:31:18] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: Hi, welcome back. |
| [01:31:28] | SMDBlink: | i got the tuner working thanks to you :) |
| [01:31:34] | JeffH: | yeah.. but version #'s < 1 imply unstable software. |
| [01:31:41] | blawson: | Anduin: hrm, i've been in there, i'll go check it out really quick and let you know |
| [01:32:13] | Anduin: | blawson: I just sent a post to -users about it (and just double checked before telling you were, so I'm pretty sure about it). |
| [01:32:13] | SarahEmm: | JeffH: it all depends how you define stable, i suppose. |
| [01:32:27] | SMDBlink: | but im havin problems watchin tv... itll play fine for like 3 seconds then seems to like pause and skip a frame every 3 seconds or so |
| [01:32:34] | SarahEmm: | jeffh: back in the 0.10 days myth required a lot of ongoing maintenance.. these days i never really have to touch it |
| [01:32:41] | Beirdo: | American Idol needs to FOAD |
| [01:33:00] | JeffH: | cool Sarah |
| [01:33:18] | SMDBlink: | lemme check the console first |
| [01:33:26] | JeffH: | I'm gonna go spec out my system. any recommendations for a video card? |
| [01:34:02] | laga: | hi Beirdo |
| [01:34:19] | Beirdo: | heya, laga |
| [01:34:33] | laga: | Beirdo: sup? ;) |
| [01:34:38] | Beirdo: | how's the bier? |
| [01:34:56] | SarahEmm: | hihi Beirdo! |
| [01:35:02] | laga: | Beirdo: quite cold, i guess. i was about to get me one ;) |
| [01:35:13] | Beirdo: | not much... Gonna be moving the TV and the rest of the furniture Friday... in theory |
| [01:35:31] | Beirdo: | assuming I can get the elevator, and an able-bodied assistant |
| [01:35:39] | Beirdo: | the couch won't carry itself |
| [01:35:51] | Beirdo: | heya, Sarah.. how goes? |
| [01:36:03] | laga: | Beirdo: so you're already moving? nice to hear that :) |
| [01:36:13] | Beirdo: | got 15 days left |
| [01:36:22] | Beirdo: | so yeah, I'm moving :) |
| [01:36:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:36:28] | laga: | Beirdo: good luck :) |
| [01:36:33] | Beirdo: | danke |
| [01:36:42] | laga: | bitte |
| [01:36:44] | laga: | :) |
| [01:36:45] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:37:17] | Beirdo: | and then in like 16 days, I get the joy of getting to learn Spanish |
| [01:37:26] | SMDBlink: | yeah it kinda freezes every 3 seconds or so |
| [01:37:41] | SarahEmm: | Beirdo: awesomely. i got CC working in 0.19 finally :) |
| [01:37:45] | laga: | Beirdo: mucha suerte! |
| [01:37:46] | SMDBlink: | aint even comin close to usin all my resources either |
| [01:37:55] | Beirdo: | SarahEmm, well done |
| [01:39:05] | JeffH: | any particular video cards to avoid? |
| [01:39:15] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:39:24] | laga: | JeffH: a lot of people prefer nvidia cards. like the fx 5200 or the 6200. |
| [01:39:25] | JeffH: | ? |
| [01:39:34] | Beirdo: | anything not current nVidia is best avoided |
| [01:39:44] | Beirdo: | current ATI should be OK with some work |
| [01:39:47] | JeffH: | laga: okay.. any particular reason why? |
| [01:39:56] | Beirdo: | but the drivers for the nVidia are better |
| [01:40:11] | laga: | JeffH: solid driver support (though binary), XvMC, quite cheap, usually good tv-out (YMMV) |
| [01:40:35] | JeffH: | sounds good to me. |
| [01:40:54] | laga: | Beirdo: you're *not* recommending ati? looks like your recent private development has a good influence on you, if you'd allow me that comment ;) |
| [01:41:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:41:14] | Beirdo: | nVidia drivers *ARE* better |
| [01:41:32] | laga: | another soul saved. :) |
| [01:41:44] | Beirdo: | but I still use ATI |
| [01:41:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:41:47] | SMDBlink: | would what im experiencing be called segmentation fault? |
| [01:42:18] | laga: | SMDBlink: a lagging system? no. a segmentation fault usually results in the application crashing on you |
| [01:42:30] | SMDBlink: | well its not lagging |
| [01:42:33] | SMDBlink: | i dont think |
| [01:42:36] | blawson: | Anduin: those are the settings for your recordings and the little thumbnail video. What about the thumbnail in the program guide like you get when you go to the guide while watching TV? |
| [01:44:33] | Anduin: | blawson: ah, that is standard behavior, no way that I know of. |
| [01:45:01] | blawson: | hrm, it didnt seem nearly as bad when i went directly to the guide without watching tv, but it still was lagging |
| [01:45:34] | blawson: | i wonder if its something with accessing the database |
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| [01:49:13] | blawson: | what i can use to check transfer speeds to a hard drive? On a previous install everything was fine, but i switched to an older OS drive and I'm wondering if maybe its too slow |
| [01:49:17] | ** Beirdo recommends laga drink a bier for him ** | |
| [01:49:44] | SMDBlink: | could this be cause i dont have DMA enabled on my hdd? |
| [01:49:54] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [01:50:01] | Anduin: | blawson: hdparm -Tt or somesuch |
| [01:50:03] | Beirdo: | you might wanna fix that and try :) |
| [01:50:19] | LLyric: | Okay, thanks guys, I got the pvr-350 working better than last time I tried. |
| [01:50:45] | LLyric: | Quality is still not-so-good, though, probably some quality settings etc, but I'm justabout out of cpu, so can't increase the bitrate |
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| [01:51:52] | LLyric: | Talking about video cards, what's the best way to get component HD out of a PC? |
| [01:51:55] | blawson: | Anduin: Timing buffered disk reads: 86 MB in 3.06 seconds = 28.10 MB/sec |
| [01:52:45] | Anduin: | blawson: I get 33 on one machine, not it. |
| [01:53:03] | Beirdo: | no DMA on the drive is not likely to be helpful though |
| [01:53:11] | blawson: | hrm, ok thats good anyway, didnt want to have to try to move it to another drive |
| [01:53:44] | blawson: | Anduin: it was ok on the pvr350 under fedora with mythtv .18 |
| [01:54:06] | blawson: | so it could still be the video card i guess |
| [01:54:36] | Anduin: | blawson: Sounds like too many changes at once to do more than guess at it. |
| [01:55:56] | LLyric: | 28MB/sec should be fine (it's a bit slow, but definately dma) |
| [01:56:10] | SMDBlink: | anyone got some things i could try? |
| [01:56:29] | Beirdo: | if you want to know if DMA is on, use hdparm -d |
| [01:56:37] | Beirdo: | it will tell you definitively |
| [01:56:38] | SMDBlink: | yeah its not on |
| [01:57:12] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: turn it on, without it, well maybe if you turned your bit rate way down. |
| [01:57:53] | blawson: | Anduin: I guess I will have to try to get the tv out working and see if its still doing the same thing, thanks for the help |
| [01:58:06] | SMDBlink: | wouldnt i be usin up all my resources if the bitrate was too high? |
| [01:58:37] | LLyric: | blawson: I only get 25MB/sec from my disk, and it works fine (pvr-350) |
| [01:58:39] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: If you mean CPU, not really. |
| [01:58:47] | SMDBlink: | well cpu or memory |
| [01:58:51] | LLyric: | It's be iowait if it was stuck on disk |
| [02:01:08] | SMDBlink: | hah, dma fixed it :) |
| [02:01:16] | LLyric: | sweet |
| [02:01:42] | SMDBlink: | now i gotta get this remote working |
| [02:01:50] | LLyric: | pvr-350 remote? |
| [02:01:55] | SMDBlink: | pvr-150 |
| [02:02:00] | SMDBlink: | might be the same |
| [02:02:10] | SMDBlink: | it works kinda... |
| [02:02:45] | ** LLyric notes that his pvr350 works just fine with a single 25MB/s disk ** | |
| [02:04:26] | Calroth: | whilst you're at it, check dma on your cd/dvd drives |
| [02:04:38] | Calroth: | could help your dvd playback :-) |
| [02:06:11] | SMDBlink: | ah, i dont have digital outs on my sound card, no way im playin dvds on the comp :) |
| [02:08:15] | LLyric: | Does the frontend do the dvd-rip, or the backend? |
| [02:08:23] | LLyric: | the actual rip |
| [02:10:47] | GreyFoxx: | the frontend |
| [02:11:27] | LLyric: | ta |
| [02:11:44] | ** LLyric just figuring out what he needs for a dedicated/quiet hd/ac3 frontend ** | |
| [02:13:14] | SMDBlink: | ok stupid question alert |
| [02:13:28] | SMDBlink: | wheres my mythtv config folder in gentoo |
| [02:16:13] | LLyric: | Most of the config is stored in the database |
| [02:17:07] | LLyric: | Frontends just connect to the DB to get information about backends etc. |
| [02:17:22] | LLyric: | the db-connect information is in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:20:00] | SMDBlink: | ok im stupid |
| [02:20:11] | SMDBlink: | i totally wasnt looking for the .mythtv, i was lookin for mythtv |
| [02:20:24] | SMDBlink: | i make like 3 obviously stupid mistakes a day |
| [02:20:35] | SMDBlink: | earlier today it was my cable wasnt plugged into the tuner |
| [02:20:50] | ** LLyric grins ** | |
| [02:20:51] | SMDBlink: | but that was my roommates fault, he freakin unplugged it while i was gone and i had no clue |
| [02:20:57] | LLyric: | We all make 'em |
| [02:21:25] | LLyric: | Okay, here's a stupid question – why do the "next/back/cancel" buttons ALWAYS seem to be off the bottom of the screen? |
| [02:21:34] | LLyric: | Even using CRT, where there's no overscan nonsense |
| [02:22:00] | SMDBlink: | mine are barely touching the bottom |
| [02:22:35] | SMDBlink: | ok i need to copy my /etc/lircd.conf |
| [02:23:07] | SMDBlink: | do i just copy it to ~/.mythtv/ |
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| [02:29:14] | SMDBlink: | it says in the docs ~/mythtv-0.19/configfiles |
| [02:29:18] | SMDBlink: | but that dont exist for me |
| [02:35:00] | LLyric: | ~/mythtv-0.19/configfiles is where the examples are |
| [02:35:18] | LLyric: | but it isn't really ~/mythtv-0.19 but MYTH_BUILD_ROOT |
| [02:35:24] | LLyric: | ie: wherever you built it from |
| [02:35:47] | LLyric: | The real file goes in /etc |
| [02:36:30] | ** nick125 needs to figure out why ivtv refuses to work.. ** | |
| [02:37:56] | SMDBlink: | i built it from portage |
| [02:38:31] | nick125: | tveeprom 0–0050: Encountered bad packet header [00]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom. |
| [02:41:19] | SMDBlink: | ah |
| [02:45:46] | nick125: | ivtv: Unknown parameter `ivtv_std' |
| [02:45:48] | nick125: | oh great |
| [02:47:13] | LLyric: | that's in your modprobe.conf |
| [02:48:12] | achew22: | when userjobs are run, what user do they run as? |
| [02:49:05] | nick125: | LLyric: what exactly am I looking for? |
| [02:49:07] | nick125: | the ivtv lines? |
| [02:49:15] | nick125: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [02:49:15] | nick125: | alias char-major-81–1 ivtv |
| [02:49:19] | nick125: | options ivtv ivtv_std=1 tuner=57,57 |
| [02:49:22] | nick125: | thats all I see about ivtv |
| [02:49:31] | UBL: | achew22, probably same user as mythbackend is run as |
| [02:49:44] | achew22: | is there any way to check |
| [02:49:57] | LLyric: | It's sayign that "ivtv_std" isn't recognised |
| [02:50:04] | UBL: | run a job and use ps to see |
| [02:50:19] | achew22: | good idea... |
| [02:50:46] | LLyric: | nick125: I used to have "options ivtv ivtv_std=2 tda9887=0" but now it works fine with "options ivtv pal=G" |
| [02:51:18] | LLyric: | use "modinfo ivtv" to see what parameters it takes |
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| [02:51:58] | nick125: | what the.. |
| [02:51:59] | nick125: | ivtv0: Unknown card: vendor/device: 4444/0016 |
| [02:51:59] | nick125: | ivtv0: subsystem vendor/device: 0070/37f3 |
| [02:51:59] | nick125: | ivtv0: cx23416 based |
| [02:52:07] | nick125: | (this is a pvr-150) |
| [02:53:09] | SMDBlink: | i emerged mythtv with the lirc USE flag, but it seems its not reading from the .lircrc file |
| [03:00:20] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [03:01:12] | nick125: | great.. |
| [03:01:19] | nick125: | ptune-ui won't start.. |
| [03:04:46] | nick125: | there.. |
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| [03:07:47] | Weezey: | My Upcoming Recordings has nothing in it all of the sudden. |
| [03:07:57] | Weezey: | my recording schedules is normal though |
| [03:08:20] | Anduin: | Weezey: Check your backend logs. |
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| [03:10:19] | hyperstream: | the default settings for mythtv sound is /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer id rather use alsa but when following a wiki it says to use: ALSA:default and default as the mixer. when doing this it sounds like a computer voice(while watching tv) and in console i have the following: 2006-04–17 13:04:26.439 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
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| [03:12:52] | Weezey: | Anduin: I have a lot of AutoExpire errors, but I don't see anything interesting, do you know what I should be looking for? Which table is the data in? |
| [03:13:07] | Anduin: | nick125: There are various revs, I don't see that id in 0.6.1 |
| [03:14:03] | Anduin: | Weezey: The actual schedule isn't really in the DB (just the info the scheduler uses). Are you running .19 (not -fixes) with MySQL 5? |
| [03:14:40] | Weezey: | .19 without fixes and mysql... |
| [03:14:53] | Weezey: | 4.1.16 |
| [03:15:05] | Weezey: | should I yum update? |
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| [03:16:53] | Anduin: | I'd not upgrade unless it fixed something, what about the schedule log entries in the backend log? |
| [03:17:50] | Weezey: | I'm not sure what to look for in the backend log... lemme check the schedule |
| [03:18:29] | Anduin: | Weezey: If it isn't too filled with useless stuff paste the last 100 lines or so to some paste site. |
| [03:18:42] | Weezey: | no schedule.log |
| [03:19:15] | Anduin: | Weezey: Yeah, they would be entries in your backend log. |
| [03:19:35] | geoff_: | has anyone had pci devices just disappear on an nforce 4 mb? |
| [03:19:46] | Weezey: | can I grep for them, what would they look like? |
| [03:20:36] | Weezey: | there's a bunch of auto-expire errors on here that are making the log fulla crap |
| [03:21:40] | Anduin: | Weezey: They will say scheduler in them. |
| [03:24:15] | Weezey: | just a bunch like this: 2006-04–15 19:30:02.499 Scheduled 3 items in 1.2 = 0.04 match + 1.15 place |
| [03:25:04] | Weezey: | hmm, how do I force a reschedule? |
| [03:26:14] | Anduin: | Weezey: You can schedule another item, or restart the backend. |
| [03:26:41] | Weezey: | I added one in and now it's the only one showing under Upcoming Recordings in mythweb |
| [03:26:51] | Weezey: | I'll restart and see what happens. |
| [03:26:57] | Anduin: | Weezey: What has you convinced it isn't right? |
| [03:27:20] | hyperstream: | the default settings for mythtv sound is /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer id rather use alsa but when following a wiki it says to use: ALSA:default and default as the mixer. when doing this it sounds like a computer voice(while watching tv) and in console i have the following: 2006-04–17 13:04:26.439 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
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| [03:27:47] | Weezey: | Anduin: there should be like three weeks worth of TV waiting to record. |
| [03:28:30] | Anduin: | Weezey: Sure, but it doesn't look like many things match (might want to check the system status to see how far out your guide data goes). |
| [03:28:32] | Weezey: | I have a lot of weekly, daily, etc.. recordings. |
| [03:28:38] | SMDBlink: | i cant get it to work :( |
| [03:28:48] | Weezey: | the guide is up to date |
| [03:29:13] | Anduin: | Weezey: Did your lineup change? |
| [03:29:26] | SMDBlink: | i have a pvr-150 grey on top black on bottom remote, reads all the buttons correctly in iwr, but doesnt work in mythtv |
| [03:29:37] | Weezey: | I didn't change it |
| [03:29:58] | Weezey: | rebooted and it's all back. |
| [03:30:15] | Anduin: | Weezey: You have no control, did you cable provider move any channels around? What happens when you schedule something that should be? |
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| [03:30:48] | Weezey: | it shows up like it should. |
| [03:31:03] | Lycan: | has anyone tried mythbrowser....is it worth installing? |
| [03:31:08] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: as the user you run mythfrontend as do a ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [03:32:50] | SMDBlink: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 3088 Apr 13 00:36 /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [03:33:16] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: mythfrontend --version (look for using_lirc) |
| [03:34:56] | SMDBlink: | yup using_lirc is there |
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| [03:36:02] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: and your ~/.mythtv/lircrc keys match those in /etc/lircd.conf? |
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| [03:36:32] | mrgoby: | heres a double off-topic, anyone using gentoo ivtv drivers ? |
| [03:36:41] | SMDBlink: | me is |
| [03:36:54] | SMDBlink: | Anduin: after closer inspection: they are not the same :(....fixing that right now |
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| [03:37:10] | mrgoby: | what was your setup ? were you able to just emerge ivtv and bam ? |
| [03:37:27] | SMDBlink: | hah |
| [03:37:30] | SMDBlink: | i wish it was that easy |
| [03:38:01] | mrgoby: | yeah, metoo... i'm having problems getting xdrivers going ... havent really been able to test the decoding yet... encoding seems to be up though :) |
| [03:38:23] | SMDBlink: | i had to unmask the latest version and that seemed to clear up a bunch of problems |
| [03:38:25] | mrgoby: | i didnt use the ivtv drivers in portage, but was thinking of giving them a shot |
| [03:38:43] | mrgoby: | did you get X going ? |
| [03:40:41] | SMDBlink: | ok now it just doesnt work at all |
| [03:40:59] | SMDBlink: | yeah ive had x for awhile |
| [03:44:25] | mrgoby: | i cant seem to get the xdriver going ... i finally got it to find it, but it is complaining about libshadow or something, which is included in X... so i guess i might have to rebuild it ? |
| [03:44:29] | SMDBlink: | ok my ~/.mythtv/lircrc keys match /etc/lircd.conf..... but mythtv aint recognizing any buttons at all now |
| [03:45:03] | mrgoby: | wow, lot of "it's" in that last statement |
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| [03:57:31] | SMDBlink: | i dont understand :( |
| [03:58:14] | AlmtyBob: | Hi, I'm looking to make a media server. I want a headless linux box in my closet with MythTV for a backend and will be using 3 xbox's with XBMC for frontends. I'll also be using the backend to store dvds, mp3s, divx's, etc. and most likely to also run some small server apps. I won't be watching live TV on the xbox's, only recorded programs. |
| [03:58:16] | AlmtyBob: | I'm looking at getting 4, 400 gig HDDs and a Hauppauge 350. Does anyone have any good hardware and case recommomendations? |
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| [03:59:40] | AlmtyBob: | and I don't have a set top box and will be running my coax straight into the tuner, do I still need a soundcard? |
| [04:00:45] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: The 350 is limited in what it can output (MPEG2) so yeah, you'll probably want a sound card. |
| [04:00:52] | AlmtyBob: | hmm |
| [04:01:00] | AlmtyBob: | is there a better encoder card? |
| [04:01:11] | mrgoby: | SMDBlink: how can i test the output for the decoder without the xdriver working ? |
| [04:01:14] | AlmtyBob: | I'd like to be able to record two programs at once ideally |
| [04:01:34] | SMDBlink: | mrgoby: capture it into a file then ftp it to a working computer |
| [04:01:38] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: Unless you are really attached to the way a 350 looks, a 150 + some nvidia card is usually just as good (better for video stuff). |
| [04:01:43] | mrgoby: | i can get ivtv_fb loaded |
| [04:01:54] | mrgoby: | oh, yeah .. i have encoding working... but decoding |
| [04:01:56] | AlmtyBob: | hmm a 150? |
| [04:02:02] | AlmtyBob: | is that a hardware encoder? |
| [04:02:11] | mrgoby: | ya, 350 |
| [04:02:33] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: Yes, or the 500 (which is essentially two 150s on one card) |
| [04:02:43] | AlmtyBob: | any downsides to the 500? |
| [04:03:57] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: Costs more, hurts more if the card goes bad. |
| [04:04:11] | AlmtyBob: | hmm, how often do those cards go bad? |
| [04:04:16] | AlmtyBob: | in general |
| [04:05:03] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: I don't have that data, though I've seen a few posts about people losing a tuner on the card. |
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| [04:05:50] | SMDBlink: | does anyone have the 150 grey/black remote working with mythtv? |
| [04:05:52] | AlmtyBob: | oh |
| [04:06:01] | AlmtyBob: | they run ~$200? |
| [04:06:25] | AlmtyBob: | Anduin: with a 500, do I need to bring the audio in separately? |
| [04:07:02] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: No, the x50/500 either have an audio jack (for svideo in) or get audio over the coax. |
| [04:08:01] | AlmtyBob: | ok, so just to be absolutely clear, I can run nothing more into the server other than power, rj45, and one coax cable and get two tuners with sound in MythTV? |
| [04:09:48] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: Yes, the recordings will have sound, of course without the 350 you'll need some sound card (for playback) and video card with TV out. |
| [04:10:03] | AlmtyBob: | I'm not going to be doing any playback off the server |
| [04:10:09] | AlmtyBob: | it will all be off the xbmc frontends |
| [04:10:16] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: Then yes. |
| [04:11:04] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: If PCI slots aren't an issue then you can often get 2x150s for less. |
| [04:11:36] | AlmtyBob: | they encode only in mpeg2? |
| [04:11:59] | AlmtyBob: | how's the quality compared to medium quality on a TIVO? |
| [04:12:02] | Anduin: | or 1, but yeah |
| [04:13:07] | Lycan: | guys is there any reason why my recorded programs dont show up on the frontend? it only shows my livetv recordings...but i can see my recorded programs via mythweb, just not the frontend which makes it next to useless if i cant watch them |
| [04:14:04] | AlmtyBob: | and will any distribution do? I'm thinking of going Ubuntu, this is going to be headless so I don't need anything fancy |
| [04:14:07] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: I've never seen them side-by-side. |
| [04:14:29] | AlmtyBob: | but the quality is good enough |
| [04:14:40] | AlmtyBob: | no significant artifcats and all that? |
| [04:15:20] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: You can adjust it to get very high quality (there are some samples on hauppauge's site). |
| [04:15:38] | AlmtyBob: | ok cool, thanks |
| [04:15:42] | AlmtyBob: | and ubuntu will work fine? |
| [04:15:56] | Anduin: | AlmtyBob: people use the distro they want |
| [04:16:52] | Lycan: | anybody? |
| [04:16:54] | AlmtyBob: | sorry for being a linux n00b, but I can never seem to find a guide to what distro works best for given situations, does distro really even matter? |
| [04:17:12] | UBL: | no |
| [04:17:23] | AlmtyBob: | kthx |
| [04:18:32] | AlmtyBob: | if I put it in a closet with decent space on all sides and leave it up 24/7 with 4 hard drives running is there going to be stability/heat issues? |
| [04:19:07] | Beirdo: | only one way to find out |
| [04:19:20] | AlmtyBob: | heh |
| [04:19:22] | Anduin: | The amount of help you get can depend on your distro, Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, and Fedora are all common. |
| [04:19:53] | Beirdo: | LFS, however... not so well supported by others, likewise Slackware :) |
| [04:19:57] | UBL: | no love for slackware :( |
| [04:20:05] | AlmtyBob: | hah |
| [04:20:09] | AlmtyBob: | I had a slackware install like 10 years ago |
| [04:20:14] | Beirdo: | not many people use em, not many can help you support it |
| [04:20:15] | AlmtyBob: | haven't played with linux since |
| [04:20:26] | SMDBlink: | why my remote not working!!! |
| [04:20:38] | Beirdo: | check the batteries? |
| [04:20:44] | SMDBlink: | it works fine with irw |
| [04:20:49] | SMDBlink: | but myth dont like it |
| [04:20:52] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: You are cursed. |
| [04:20:55] | SMDBlink: | lol |
| [04:21:01] | SMDBlink: | every freakin thing that could have gone wrong has |
| [04:21:07] | UBL: | did you compile mythtv with lirc support? |
| [04:21:09] | SMDBlink: | yup |
| [04:21:17] | AlmtyBob: | I've read the documentation and saw some issues, but are there any hardware issues as far as motherboard/cpu combos I need to know about? |
| [04:21:33] | SMDBlink: | mythfrontend --version has using_lirc in it |
| [04:21:54] | Beirdo: | AlmtyBob, avoid VIA chipsets for Athlon (KT133, etc) |
| [04:22:01] | Beirdo: | they suck royally for DMA |
| [04:22:17] | SMDBlink: | amen |
| [04:22:31] | AlmtyBob: | ah yah saw that |
| [04:22:31] | Beirdo: | no idea about their current offerings though |
| [04:22:39] | Beirdo: | but those old ones BLOW |
| [04:22:44] | AlmtyBob: | seems like VIA is always having issues with something or normal |
| [04:22:46] | Beirdo: | I use nforce2 |
| [04:22:47] | AlmtyBob: | err or other |
| [04:23:00] | Beirdo: | and nforce3 (two different machines) |
| [04:23:09] | Beirdo: | no problems with either that I can recall |
| [04:23:14] | AlmtyBob: | I was leaning towards Intel just so if it starts to overheat it will downclock |
| [04:23:18] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [04:23:18] | AlmtyBob: | err throttle |
| [04:23:45] | Beirdo: | I personally am an AMD user, but whatever floats your boat :) |
| [04:23:46] | AlmtyBob: | so when I "find out" about how it handles heat, I don't find out becuase of smoke coming from my closet 8) |
| [04:24:01] | Beirdo: | you could (and should) run lm_sensors :) |
| [04:24:20] | Beirdo: | especially if you are worried about it |
| [04:24:51] | AlmtyBob: | got any good case recommendations? |
| [04:25:01] | AlmtyBob: | thinking just a desktop model |
| [04:25:02] | AlmtyBob: | not a tower |
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| [04:25:10] | Beirdo: | hmmm, not sure on desktop |
| [04:25:12] | AlmtyBob: | preferabble with room for 5 hdds |
| [04:25:16] | SMDBlink: | go with the cheapest case you can get if u are just throwin it in a closet |
| [04:25:22] | Beirdo: | I personally like Antec Sonata |
| [04:25:23] | AlmtyBob: | I looked up some on newegg |
| [04:25:29] | Beirdo: | they are mid-tower |
| [04:25:36] | Beirdo: | and bloody quiet |
| [04:25:48] | Beirdo: | got 4 of them in the room with me now and an Antec Aria |
| [04:25:50] | AlmtyBob: | wow freaky |
| [04:25:52] | AlmtyBob: | right as you type that |
| [04:25:59] | AlmtyBob: | I'm listending to a hyundai sonata commercial |
| [04:26:05] | Beirdo: | the sound level's about the same as a single "standard" case |
| [04:26:10] | AlmtyBob: | I hate doors |
| [04:26:12] | Beirdo: | and these suckers have a lot of drives |
| [04:26:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:26:33] | SMDBlink: | should i just use irxevent? |
| [04:26:38] | AlmtyBob: | I wouldn't mind the doors really but I'm goign to put an LCD in the front 5.25 bays |
| [04:26:43] | ** Beirdo doesn't use a remote, sorry ** | |
| [04:26:56] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: never give up. |
| [04:26:58] | SMDBlink: | lol |
| [04:27:00] | SMDBlink: | oh i wont |
| [04:27:08] | Beirdo: | I like the door on the front, personally, it keeps the drives, etc out of sight |
| [04:27:24] | Beirdo: | why do you want an LCD if you are putting it in the closet? |
| [04:27:36] | AlmtyBob: | www.ramenite.net/24052.jpg <- that's my Antec, I like the bezels (NOT SFW) |
| [04:27:53] | UBL: | SMDBlink, you have a .lircrc and .mythtv/lircrc file? |
| [04:28:13] | UBL: | ~/.lircrc , ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [04:28:36] | SMDBlink: | yup |
| [04:28:46] | SMDBlink: | wait |
| [04:28:52] | SMDBlink: | lemme check the .lircrc |
| [04:29:04] | Beirdo: | the one thing I really don't like about current cases is the damned blue LEDs |
| [04:29:08] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: You don't actually need one (not for myth) |
| [04:29:17] | Beirdo: | I disconnect as many as I can... too flippin bright |
| [04:29:21] | SMDBlink: | oh ok |
| [04:29:27] | Beirdo: | casts shadows on all the walls |
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| [04:29:40] | AlmtyBob: | HEHEH |
| [04:29:42] | AlmtyBob: | err heh |
| [04:29:47] | AlmtyBob: | I like the blue |
| [04:29:53] | Beirdo: | I want status LEDs to show status, not illuminate the room |
| [04:29:54] | SMDBlink: | i got .mythtv/lircrc |
| [04:30:10] | AlmtyBob: | http://www.ramenite.net/2405.jpg <- the side window in my case lights the whole room sometimes |
| [04:30:14] | AlmtyBob: | got a switch though |
| [04:30:16] | Beirdo: | eww |
| [04:30:21] | Beirdo: | side windows :) |
| [04:30:26] | SMDBlink: | it matches my /etc/lircd.conf.... which works btw |
| [04:30:27] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: paste your lircrc to some paste site. |
| [04:30:30] | AlmtyBob: | honestly I didn't want the windows |
| [04:30:35] | AlmtyBob: | but I didn't have a choice, it came with it |
| [04:30:37] | SMDBlink: | ok |
| [04:30:44] | Beirdo: | lower the computer and put apple juice cans on the back too? |
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| [04:31:00] | AlmtyBob: | heh |
| [04:31:21] | SMDBlink: | http://pastebin.com/664383 |
| [04:31:33] | AlmtyBob: | I just wanted to absolutely guarantee that I'll never get laid again |
| [04:31:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:31:44] | AlmtyBob: | and with two monitors and two of each consoles out I think that's pretty set |
| [04:31:45] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: ok not your lircrc file |
| [04:31:46] | Beirdo: | hence the picture on the monitor |
| [04:31:58] | AlmtyBob: | www.fleshlight.com for life |
| [04:32:33] | AlmtyBob: | how hard is RAID 5 to setup in linux? |
| [04:32:38] | Beirdo: | depends |
| [04:32:48] | AlmtyBob: | should I get a separate controller card if I want to do that? |
| [04:32:57] | AlmtyBob: | going to go SATA |
| [04:33:00] | Beirdo: | if you use hardware raid, pretty simple as the controller does almost all of it |
| [04:33:01] | UBL: | |<---this hard-->| |
| [04:33:09] | AlmtyBob: | is that to scale? |
| [04:33:11] | Beirdo: | if you use software raid, there are simple howtos |
| [04:33:24] | AlmtyBob: | k I'll pry go that route |
| [04:33:34] | AlmtyBob: | I've been backing up stuff to HDDs now, I've given up on DVDs |
| [04:33:34] | Beirdo: | I would suggest hardware raid if you got the cash, but then that's just me |
| [04:33:36] | SMDBlink: | that is my /lircrc file |
| [04:33:46] | AlmtyBob: | I just buy 300 gig HDDs and load them up and put them in a cabinet |
| [04:33:50] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: little wonder it fails to work then :) |
| [04:34:06] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: What does your /etc/lircd.conf look like then? |
| [04:34:09] | UBL: | SMDBlink, its not suppose to look like that |
| [04:34:17] | SMDBlink: | i thought u said they were supposed to match? |
| [04:34:26] | Anduin: | SMDBlink: I meant the key names. |
| [04:34:30] | SMDBlink: | doh |
| [04:34:31] | SMDBlink: | ok |
| [04:34:33] | SMDBlink: | ill redo |
| [04:34:37] | Beirdo: | hehe. Well, RAID5 can be a bit CPU intensive under load if it's done by the kernel, not a controller |
| [04:34:56] | Beirdo: | but with today's bitchin processors, that's a lot less of a worry than it used to be |
| [04:35:00] | AlmtyBob: | k |
| [04:35:06] | AlmtyBob: | well I want as little CPU load as possible |
| [04:35:10] | UBL: | softwrae raid is easy to setup |
| [04:35:34] | UBL: | i rate my linux skill as novice and setup raid successfully |
| [04:35:48] | Beirdo: | hardware raid costs considerably more as you need a decent controller, but the CPU usage is quite minimal |
| [04:36:06] | AlmtyBob: | how's onboard raid? |
| [04:36:23] | Beirdo: | with a 3ware card or an Adaptec (like mine), the CPU load is quite low as all the work is done on the controller, Linux just sees it as a SCSI controller |
| [04:36:27] | AlmtyBob: | does onboard raid use the cpu or it's own controller? or is it case by case? |
| [04:36:42] | Beirdo: | most onboard raid on motherboards... |
| [04:36:48] | Beirdo: | it's more hardware-assisted |
| [04:37:00] | AlmtyBob: | ah |
| [04:37:08] | Beirdo: | not really a RAID controller... they often have the XOR stuff in the controller |
| [04:37:25] | Beirdo: | but much of the work is done by the CPU still |
| [04:37:46] | Beirdo: | using the stuff in the kernel's a good start |
| [04:38:04] | AlmtyBob: | ouch |
| [04:38:05] | Beirdo: | see how it treats you, if you want more free CPU, then maybe spend the $500 |
| [04:38:09] | AlmtyBob: | $500 or so |
| [04:38:12] | AlmtyBob: | yah just froogle'd it |
| [04:38:51] | Beirdo: | unless yer made of money, then go for it |
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| [04:39:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:39:30] | AlmtyBob: | I don't mind blowing money, but I think I'd be better off just backing up to HDDs |
| [04:39:36] | UBL: | raid5 is for your mythtv setup? |
| [04:39:54] | AlmtyBob: | mythTV + all sorts of other media storage/serving |
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| [04:41:23] | AlmtyBob: | thanks for all your help, I'm going to go reread the documentation and look for more questions 8) |
| [04:42:29] | mrgoby: | bleh, well, i'm not going to get decoding going tonight |
| [04:42:32] | Beirdo: | hey, no prob |
| [04:43:00] | mrgoby: | i did make my tv almost give me a seizure though... |
| [04:43:25] | DiamondX: | Hi everyone. I have a question: I want to use the Xbox as a front end. Is there any way I can make it be a backend to, or do I need another pc for that? |
| [04:43:45] | AlmtyBob: | there's no video inputs on the xbox |
| [04:44:00] | AlmtyBob: | hmm, unless you got a USB encoder |
| [04:44:05] | DiamondX: | the xbox controller is like a usb cable. |
| [04:44:17] | DiamondX: | would that work? |
| [04:44:32] | UBL: | if you had drivers for a usb tv tuner |
| [04:44:56] | DiamondX: | Okay, thanks for your help. |
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| [04:45:32] | AlmtyBob: | man I need to start deleting some porn 8( |
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| [04:47:24] | AlmtyBob: | are there any issues with XFS and Samba? |
| [04:47:30] | AlmtyBob: | or with XFS in general? |
| [04:47:52] | SMDBlink: | im using XFS |
| [04:48:36] | UBL: | i'm using xfs and samba |
| [04:48:42] | AlmtyBob: | cool |
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| [04:49:26] | SMDBlink: | i just have to restart mythfrontend to get it to read my new lircrc file right? |
| [04:49:53] | UBL: | try it :) |
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| [04:53:48] | SMDBlink: | well it didnt work to begin with so i have no clue |
| [04:54:01] | SMDBlink: | unless it works |
| [04:55:00] | UBL: | just try restarting lircd and the frontend |
| [04:55:05] | SMDBlink: | ah ok |
| [04:55:07] | UBL: | or just the frontend |
| [04:55:12] | SMDBlink: | i tried the frontend |
| [04:55:18] | SMDBlink: | doesnt seem to help |
| [04:56:23] | SMDBlink: | ok neither worked |
| [04:58:03] | UBL: | what is in your ~/.mythtv/lircrc file? |
| [04:58:19] | SMDBlink: | crap |
| [04:58:31] | SMDBlink: | maybe cause im editing it in notepad |
| [04:58:45] | UBL: | run irw, does anything happen when you press buttones on your remote ? |
| [05:00:04] | SMDBlink: | yeah irw works great |
| [05:00:23] | UBL: | what is in your ~/.mythtv/lircrc file? paste it somewhere |
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| [05:00:41] | Cromz: | notepad like windows notepad? |
| [05:00:47] | AlmtyBob: | oh, and 802.11g is fine for streaming mythrv right? |
| [05:01:06] | SMDBlink: | yes |
| [05:01:07] | UBL: | streaming non-hd content works fine over wifi |
| [05:01:22] | SMDBlink: | DOS-style line breaks is probably my problem |
| [05:01:34] | AlmtyBob: | hmm, shoulda known that I've actually streamed HD content over wifi before 8) |
| [05:01:43] | AlmtyBob: | Rome episodes |
| [05:01:46] | Cromz: | SMDBlink, yeah.. bad idea.. could be.. also you double check the button names are identival? |
| [05:01:48] | SMDBlink: | rome is sweet |
| [05:01:52] | AlmtyBob: | def |
| [05:02:02] | SMDBlink: | Cromz: yeah i just made a few button names to test |
| [05:02:08] | Cromz: | er identical. |
| [05:02:11] | SMDBlink: | whens the next season? |
| [05:02:54] | AlmtyBob: | dunno |
| [05:06:30] | AlmtyBob: | if I ended up getting 2 150's instead of one 500 would a coax splitter work just fine? |
| [05:08:44] | SMDBlink: | as long as its not a cheap splitter |
| [05:10:45] | SMDBlink: | ok |
| [05:10:56] | SMDBlink: | stupid mistake #5 of the day |
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| [05:14:54] | AlmtyBob: | anyone have issues with xvids and divxs on xbmc? |
| [05:15:07] | AlmtyBob: | they just magically started not playing after I installed a new ver |
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| [05:16:05] | liran: | morning everyone |
| [05:16:26] | AlmtyBob: | evening |
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| [05:20:32] | Gcastin: | did anybody get SD memory to mount after installing Knoppmyth? |
| [05:21:07] | SMDBlink: | AlmtyBob: nope |
| [05:21:22] | SMDBlink: | which build you runnin? |
| [05:21:39] | Gcastin: | the current ISO from knoppmyth, |
| [05:22:02] | SMDBlink: | eh, that was for AlmtyBob, he was talkin the language i know, xbox |
| [05:22:11] | Gcastin: | ah ok |
| [05:22:12] | Gcastin: | lol |
| [05:25:33] | AlmtyBob: | sorry |
| [05:25:39] | AlmtyBob: | 4/12, 3/28 and an old one |
| [05:48:26] | liran: | i've got myself an xmltv.xml file. to add it to my database i did 'mythfilldatabase --file 3 -10 xmltv.xml' where 3 means the video source, 10 days back and the filename. i restarted mythtv-backend and im expecting to see the channel listing in the program-guide on mythfrontend but i dont, it's completely empty. |
| [05:49:16] | liran: | i then fired up mythtv-setup and saw that the channels aren't assigned a channel number so i did it manually assigning numbers like 200, 201, 203 for a few channels, restarted mythtv-backend yet still i dont see any channels appearing on the program-guide. |
| [05:49:21] | liran: | any clues please? |
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| [06:02:48] | applejack: | anyone know how I enable overscan on an ati radeon 9200 ? |
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| [06:22:57] | achew22: | applejack check google |
| [06:23:40] | achew22: | a few keywords to use would be xorg, options, device |
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| [06:32:44] | applejack: | achew22, thnx,.... found a solution with the proprietary drivers |
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| [06:42:17] | AlmtyBob: | if I have a headless linux box in my closet, I can run a window manager on it and connect it to with my windows box and run X apps on it right? |
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| [06:45:02] | SMDBlink: | if you have a program like x-win32 |
| [06:45:29] | AlmtyBob: | k cool |
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| [07:04:38] | banyan: | Does anyone know offhand what package has perl(HTTP::Cache::Transparent) ? |
| [07:05:39] | achew22: | no, but you can have perl install it |
| [07:06:48] | banyan: | ya? |
| [07:06:51] | achew22: | yep |
| [07:06:56] | banyan: | gesundheit btw. |
| [07:06:57] | banyan: | heh |
| [07:07:07] | achew22: | 1 sec — checking syntax |
| [07:07:12] | achew22: | may I ask what this is for htough? |
| [07:07:49] | achew22: | # perl -MCPAN -e shell install HTTP::Cache::Transparent |
| [07:08:33] | achew22: | what distro do you have? |
| [07:09:47] | achew22: | banyan what distro do you use? |
| [07:11:04] | achew22: | since your not here — I would make sure that you have all these programs installed first: gzip, tar, unzip, make, lynx, wget, ncftp, ftp, gpg, less, and bash |
| [07:11:14] | achew22: | then run that program |
| [07:11:18] | achew22: | all the defaults should be good |
| [07:11:27] | SMDBlink: | are there any sweet themes i should know about? |
| [07:11:32] | achew22: | MythCenter |
| [07:11:49] | achew22: | or go here to look at the options http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes |
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| [07:13:29] | achew22: | banyan_ your back! |
| [07:13:39] | achew22: | did you drop out there |
| [07:13:49] | banyan_: | Hey, my machine froze! |
| [07:13:58] | achew22: | okay |
| [07:13:59] | banyan_: | very strange. Seldom happens. |
| [07:14:05] | achew22: | what was the last thing that I said to you? |
| [07:14:07] | banyan_: | ivtv issue. |
| [07:14:19] | banyan_: | I said gesundheit and laughed and then whump. |
| [07:14:28] | achew22: | since your not here — I would make sure that you have all these programs installed first: gzip, tar, unzip, make, lynx, wget, ncftp, ftp, gpg, less, and bash |
| [07:14:33] | banyan_: | You told me I could get perl to install the http:whatchamahozeit. |
| [07:14:37] | achew22: | # perl -MCPAN -e shell install HTTP::Cache::Transparent |
| [07:14:48] | achew22: | install all those then run that command |
| [07:14:54] | achew22: | what distro do you use? |
| [07:15:05] | banyan_: | fc5 |
| [07:16:05] | achew22: | i'm no help on what you really need to install (ubuntu doesn't have lynx or ncftp off the bat) |
| [07:16:09] | achew22: | so your on your own |
| [07:16:18] | banyan_: | ok |
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| [07:18:01] | achew22: | HA! xmltv just asked me to install something — I'm very glad that I refreshed my memory on howto install modules in perl |
| [07:19:56] | achew22: | banyan_ is your nick registered? |
| [07:20:08] | banyan_: | Not the _ one. |
| [07:20:36] | achew22: | fine — type /msg nickserv ghost banyan yourpasswd |
| [07:20:54] | achew22: | it will "ghost" your dead account (basicly disconnect it) and you can take back your nickname |
| [07:21:20] | achew22: | if you don't beleive type /msg nickserv help |
| [07:21:25] | achew22: | lookup the ghost command |
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| [07:24:55] | banyan_: | single quotes around the 'shell.... ransparent'? |
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| [07:26:01] | banyan: | okee. |
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| [07:26:43] | banyan: | Actually, this thing is hung up fetching with LWP. |
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| [07:27:05] | achew22: | banyan it takes a long time |
| [07:27:22] | banyan: | ah... why? is it large? |
| [07:27:35] | achew22: | I duno — it just always seems to take a long time for me |
| [07:27:44] | achew22: | did you use default settings |
| [07:28:25] | achew22: | did you install all the software that I told you to? |
| [07:28:35] | banyan: | I did and I did. |
| [07:28:38] | achew22: | did you give it the right location to the lwp thing? |
| [07:29:13] | banyan: | It needs me to tell it? |
| [07:29:36] | SMDBlink: | i might just be stupid... but why does it come up with a recording menu everytime i hit enter on a show in the guide? |
| [07:29:36] | achew22: | it didn't for me — but I would assume that if it wasn't auto detected you would have to tell it where to look |
| [07:30:04] | achew22: | its how its setup |
| [07:30:33] | achew22: | if you want to change that its an option in utilities/setup|whatever|appearences ( I beleive thats where it is, if not its really close to that ) |
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| [07:32:33] | SMDBlink: | its not in appearances |
| [07:32:37] | achew22: | oops sory |
| [07:32:42] | achew22: | Utilities/Setup-->Setup-->TV Settings-->Program Guide |
| [07:32:44] | achew22: | page 2 |
| [07:32:50] | achew22: | Use select to change the channel in program guide |
| [07:33:12] | achew22: | now to bring that up push m |
| [07:33:22] | hashbang: | heya |
| [07:33:27] | SMDBlink: | thank you |
| [07:33:29] | achew22: | herro |
| [07:33:36] | achew22: | SMDBlink any time |
| [07:33:49] | SMDBlink: | apparently im too tire |
| [07:33:50] | SMDBlink: | d |
| [07:34:21] | achew22: | me too |
| [07:34:22] | SMDBlink: | i didnt set up the channel buttons on my lircrc |
| [07:34:31] | SMDBlink: | and i dont wanna do it right now |
| [07:35:33] | achew22: | live without them |
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| [07:35:58] | ** LLyric lafs as he marks commercials while a program is recording, this is so cool. ** | |
| [07:37:22] | Lokken: | Hmm, there an IRC channel for IVTV issues? |
| [07:38:21] | LLyric: | What's your problem? Maybe we can help here |
| [07:38:46] | Lokken: | cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg gives me a zero length file. |
| [07:38:50] | Lokken: | Using a PVR-150 |
| [07:39:05] | LLyric: | Did you check the messages on ivtv load? |
| [07:39:08] | Lokken: | Google hasn't turned up anything too recent. |
| [07:39:26] | Lokken: | Yeah, nothing seemed out of order. |
| [07:39:57] | LLyric: | There's a channel #ivtv-dev on this irc network |
| [07:40:03] | Lokken: | Autodetected the card, and sutff about the encoder revision, etc. |
| [07:40:12] | Lokken: | Alright, will check there. Thanks. |
| [07:40:18] | LLyric: | Upload the chopped section somewhere, and paste the url, maybe something will occur to us/them |
| [07:41:40] | SMDBlink: | no freakin way |
| [07:41:50] | SMDBlink: | saved by the bell is on adult swim now |
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| [07:47:30] | banyan: | 110 packages to install myth... |
| [07:47:33] | banyan: | brutah. |
| [07:48:28] | LLyric: | Yeah, a bit over 100MB? :) |
| [07:48:30] | LLyric: | I did that this week |
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| [07:52:47] | banyan: | Doing the x86_64 thing for the first time. |
| [07:55:33] | banyan: | It's pretty funny. "Load average: 0%" |
| [07:59:11] | AlmtyBob: | are the partitions and file structures on XFS set up just like FAT? |
| [08:01:40] | SMDBlink: | partitions are independant of the filesystem |
| [08:02:09] | SMDBlink: | you set the partitions then select the filesystem for each partition |
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| [08:20:04] | AlmtyBob: | oh, duh, thanks |
| [08:20:09] | AlmtyBob: | 8/ |
| [08:20:33] | SMDBlink: | i knew like a months worth of linux before doing a mythtv install |
| [08:20:39] | AlmtyBob: | someone's going to knock on my door in a minute and strip me of my A+ cert 8/ |
| [08:20:54] | AlmtyBob: | I used linux as a desktop back in 96 |
| [08:20:55] | SMDBlink: | i ran into every problem you could think of |
| [08:20:59] | AlmtyBob: | haven't played with it much since |
| [08:22:14] | AlmtyBob: | in linux you can mount several hard drives under on directory right? |
| [08:22:37] | SMDBlink: | im not sure |
| [08:23:35] | AlmtyBob: | I remember back in college people thought I was a h4x0r in my fotran class because I set rotating backgrounds on my lab account |
| [08:23:40] | AlmtyBob: | err Fortran |
| [08:23:50] | AlmtyBob: | but really I was/am a n00b 8/ |
| [08:24:30] | SMDBlink: | im thinkin about goin ahead and tryin to put the frontend on my xbox |
| [08:25:00] | SMDBlink: | but the problem is, when the xbox is in my room, its piggybacking wireless off my laptop |
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| [08:25:44] | AlmtyBob: | have you used xbmc before? |
| [08:26:08] | SMDBlink: | heck ya, its my dash |
| [08:26:15] | AlmtyBob: | it makes the mythTV frontend look like microsoft BOB 8) |
| [08:26:26] | SMDBlink: | lol i know |
| [08:26:28] | AlmtyBob: | that has to be my favorite app of all time |
| [08:26:37] | SMDBlink: | they got a theme for myth called project greyhem that kinda looks like it |
| [08:26:48] | AlmtyBob: | it's the whole reason I'm doing all this media server shit |
| [08:27:14] | AlmtyBob: | I can't believe they got something so feature filled, yet so polished, on a $200 xbox while $1000 media players can barely do shit |
| [08:27:29] | AlmtyBob: | and open source to boot |
| [08:27:48] | AlmtyBob: | they should port xbmc to linux |
| [08:28:07] | SMDBlink: | yup |
| [08:28:22] | SMDBlink: | they finally got it in feature freeze so they can have an official release too |
| [08:28:59] | AlmtyBob: | yah |
| [08:30:05] | AlmtyBob: | I still have avalaunch as my dash because I like the integration with Qwix |
| [08:30:14] | AlmtyBob: | and that I can load xbmc by just holding down a button on startup |
| [08:30:30] | AlmtyBob: | but I think I'm going to end up making xbmc my dash |
| [08:30:36] | AlmtyBob: | especially after I get my IR mod |
| [08:30:46] | SMDBlink: | yeah im almost about to get that |
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| [08:31:00] | mythicness: | Hi guys |
| [08:31:00] | AlmtyBob: | I have two xboxes, and old modded one and a clean one for live |
| [08:31:07] | mythicness: | I just installed lirc using synaptic |
| [08:31:09] | SMDBlink: | have u looked at softmodding? |
| [08:31:20] | mythicness: | trying to get my remote installed |
| [08:31:21] | AlmtyBob: | but now that I have the 360, I ordered an X3, ir mod, and front panel replacement with LCD |
| [08:31:21] | AlmtyBob: | nah |
| [08:31:23] | mythicness: | where would I go from here? |
| [08:31:30] | AlmtyBob: | I like the xecuter 3 too much |
| [08:31:35] | AlmtyBob: | and all the little plugins for it |
| [08:31:38] | SMDBlink: | yeah, i went with a xenium |
| [08:31:38] | AlmtyBob: | like the front panel and ir mod |
| [08:31:47] | AlmtyBob: | www.lirc.com |
| [08:31:47] | mythicness: | Tried following some how to's, but they all seem to say you need to compile which you shouldnt, surely? |
| [08:32:02] | mythicness: | kk |
| [08:32:33] | SMDBlink: | mythicness: can you run the lircd? |
| [08:32:46] | mythicness: | let me try |
| [08:32:52] | mythicness: | well at least my remote is supported :D http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg |
| [08:33:04] | mythicness: | yeah lircd seems to have worked |
| [08:33:30] | mythicness: | although nothing happened – i assume the thing is running now |
| [08:33:55] | SMDBlink: | did you edit the lircd.conf file? |
| [08:34:06] | AlmtyBob: | oh shit, completely unrelated brainstorm |
| [08:34:18] | AlmtyBob: | they need to integrate mythTV and XBMC with the PSP |
| [08:34:24] | SMDBlink: | lol |
| [08:34:30] | SMDBlink: | that would be totally sweet |
| [08:34:32] | AlmtyBob: | so you can view and choose programs while watching tv |
| [08:34:35] | AlmtyBob: | yes, yes it would |
| [08:34:43] | mythicness: | ill check the lircd.conf now, thanks |
| [08:34:43] | AlmtyBob: | I gotta write that down |
| [08:34:47] | AlmtyBob: | that's a good future project |
| [08:35:17] | mythicness: | whats the alternative of: find / | grep -e blah ? |
| [08:35:46] | SMDBlink: | check /etc/lircd.conf |
| [08:35:59] | mythicness: | yeah i am looking there |
| [08:36:03] | mythicness: | name = Hauppauge |
| [08:36:08] | mythicness: | ok so at least it picked it up |
| [08:36:30] | SMDBlink: | run irw |
| [08:36:37] | mythicness: | hmmm, whats that util that shows if pressing anything |
| [08:36:37] | SMDBlink: | see if it picks up any buttons when u press them |
| [08:36:51] | AlmtyBob: | http://jkcomputer.jk.funpic.de/cwiki.php?page=PSPMyth |
| [08:36:51] | mythicness: | heh |
| [08:37:10] | mythicness: | hmm, nothing happened after i typed "irw" its running, but where do i see results? |
| [08:37:14] | AlmtyBob: | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr to translate |
| [08:37:37] | SMDBlink: | the results will display right there in the console |
| [08:37:57] | AlmtyBob: | oh there's an "in english" button |
| [08:37:57] | AlmtyBob: | nm |
| [08:38:41] | mythicness: | hmm, well irw is running, and im pressing buttons but not seeing anything |
| [08:38:53] | mythicness: | irw doesnt seem to be doing anythin |
| [08:39:09] | dorel: | anyone mind helping me with importing xmltv file into the database? the program guide shows nothing. |
| [08:39:23] | SMDBlink: | did u run mythfilldatabase? |
| [08:39:47] | dorel: | SMDBlink: yeah i did 'mythfilldatabase --file 3 -10 xmltv.xml' |
| [08:40:28] | SMDBlink: | are you liran from earlier? |
| [08:40:54] | dorel: | yeah |
| [08:41:05] | dorel: | sorry about the confusion, im just sshing from different boxes |
| [08:41:13] | mythicness: | irw wants a socket to listen on, do i maybe need to set this? |
| [08:43:16] | mythicness: | how do you sort the command alphabetically using top ? |
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| [08:44:42] | dorel: | SMDBlink: could you offer me some insight? |
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| [08:46:01] | AlmtyBob: | http://www.psphacksthebook.com/ |
| [08:46:03] | AlmtyBob: | hahaha |
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| [08:47:52] | AlmtyBob: | that's ballsy of O'Reilly |
| [08:47:59] | AlmtyBob: | that book is all about running homebrew on a PSP |
| [08:48:44] | SMDBlink: | id love to help, but i have no clue myself :( |
| [08:50:03] | Lycan^: | can anyonme exlplain why, when i record a program it doesnt appear under 'watch recordings'...even though i can see it via mythweb 'recorded programs' |
| [08:50:43] | dorel: | damn |
| [08:52:36] | mythicness: | my lirc device is set to: /dev/lirc |
| [08:52:42] | mythicness: | how can i check its functional? |
| [08:52:58] | Lycan^: | use rtw |
| [08:53:17] | mythicness: | -bash: rtw: command not found |
| [08:53:20] | Lycan^: | urw sorry |
| [08:53:24] | mythicness: | koo |
| [08:53:24] | Lycan^: | irw* |
| [08:53:25] | Lycan^: | sheesh |
| [08:53:29] | mythicness: | heh |
| [08:53:36] | mythicness: | connect: Connection refused |
| [08:53:39] | mythicness: | think its already running |
| [08:53:41] | mythicness: | how do i stop/start it? |
| [08:53:45] | Lycan^: | that will show if the signals are being received by your control |
| [08:53:52] | mythicness: | I looked using top but couldnt see it |
| [08:54:07] | Lycan^: | have u got the util installed? |
| [08:54:19] | Lycan^: | and i assume lircd is running? |
| [08:55:40] | Lycan^: | i cant be the only guy with the problem i have here? surely someone else has seen it? |
| [08:55:49] | Lycan^: | is it setting? |
| [08:55:51] | Lycan^: | is it a setting? |
| [08:56:14] | mythicness: | . /etc/init.d/lirc restart |
| [08:56:32] | mythicness: | I couldn't load the required kernel modules, You should install lirc-modules-source to build, kernel support for your hardware. |
| [08:56:43] | mythicness: | If this message is not appropriate you may set, LOAD_MODULES=false in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [08:56:52] | mythicness: | what should i check in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ? |
| [08:56:59] | Lycan^: | its lircd not lirc |
| [08:57:05] | mythicness: | oh sos |
| [08:57:24] | Lycan^: | ok so your lirc daemon isnt even starting |
| [08:57:40] | mythicness: | looks that way yeah |
| [08:57:46] | Lycan^: | what distro you using? |
| [08:57:54] | mythicness: | ubuntu |
| [08:58:21] | Lycan^: | have u checked the ubuntu lirc wiki? |
| [08:58:24] | mythicness: | if i turn off load_modules it works |
| [08:58:26] | Lycan^: | cant be that hard |
| [08:58:31] | mythicness: | yeah, i did |
| [08:58:35] | mythicness: | let me check it again |
| [08:58:44] | mythicness: | how do i stop/start irw |
| [08:58:57] | Lycan^: | just type it in at console |
| [08:59:03] | Lycan^: | and ctrl-c to kill it |
| [08:59:18] | Lycan^: | bu its useless to u if the lircd wont even start |
| [08:59:30] | Lycan^: | u need to install the daemon properly first |
| [08:59:40] | Lycan^: | then worry about your remote |
| [08:59:55] | mythicness: | lircd is running now |
| [09:00:01] | mythicness: | I just turned off load_modules |
| [09:00:05] | Lycan^: | ok type in irw |
| [09:00:14] | mythicness: | "connect: Connection refused" |
| [09:00:18] | mythicness: | i think its already running |
| [09:00:26] | mythicness: | let me try restart it |
| [09:00:28] | Lycan^: | then starty pressing buttons on your remote...u should start seeing the keys being pressed |
| [09:02:14] | mythicness: | couldnt get it to stop, restarting the box |
| [09:05:20] | mythicness: | grrr, irw still sayingconnect: Connection refused |
| [09:05:30] | mythicness: | how do i make it stop so i can restart it |
| [09:06:20] | Lycan^: | even after a reboot? |
| [09:06:57] | mythicness: | ye |
| [09:08:45] | Lycan^: | hmm dont know...id ask the guys in #ubuntu |
| [09:09:05] | Lycan^: | well i solved my problem...had a filter on for just 'livetv' sheesh |
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| [09:14:26] | chinamill: | Hello, anyone around with experience of DVB + CI + CAM? |
| [09:18:14] | mythicness: | irw /dev/lircd |
| [09:18:20] | mythicness: | "connect: Connection refused" |
| [09:18:28] | mythicness: | damn what could be wrong lircd loads up |
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| [09:27:19] | mythicness: | now im getting "connect: No such file or directory" |
| [09:27:28] | mythicness: | how do i check what socked irw tries to connect to be default |
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| [09:56:40] | dorel: | hey juski |
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| [11:07:10] | Filip: | I have a playback problem on MythTV. Myth stops playback after roughly 30 minutes of playing, but only on the frontends. On the backend, there's no problem. I suspect it has something to do with a maximum of GB that may be open over the network. Does MythTV use NFS for getting the recording on the frontends? |
| [11:10:03] | Filip: | Can the maximum filesize be determined by the NFSA connection, or the filesystem used on the frontends? |
| [11:10:14] | Filip: | It's all Gentoo |
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| [11:22:53] | Filip: | Okay, I just found out MythTV uses NFS to share video over the network. I had no idea it required NFS. |
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| [11:23:37] | Dackel: | okay, has anyone a short tutorial for mythtv on slackware |
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| [11:24:18] | carl9090909: | Hi |
| [11:25:29] | carl9090909: | Could anyone give me help with setting up MythTV on SimplyMEPIS? (I've checked out the HOWTO on the website, I really don't understand it) |
| [11:26:31] | Filip: | carl9090909: just ask specific questions, maybe someone knows. |
| [11:27:15] | carl9090909: | Do I have to compile all the C++ source code files in the package? |
| [11:28:36] | hashbang: | carl9090909: as opposed to? |
| [11:29:07] | GreyFoxx: | Filip: MythTV does NOT require NFS |
| [11:29:11] | carl9090909: | um, ...just compiling the ones in the programs folder |
| [11:29:54] | GreyFoxx: | You need to compile the libraries, so yes, let it compile everything |
| [11:30:02] | GreyFoxx: | The make file will doit all for you |
| [11:30:13] | carl9090909: | oh, thanks |
| [11:30:19] | hashbang: | carl9090909: how would that work, given that those programs link against libraries that come from sources built from sources in the libs dir? |
| [11:30:39] | hashbang: | carl9090909: you may want to look into installing ccache if you're building mythtv repeatedly, for whatever reason. |
| [11:30:57] | hashbang: | Tridge++ |
| [11:31:16] | carl9090909: | ok, thanks, I'll check them out |
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| [11:38:30] | Filip: | GreyFoxx: So my switching to NFS4 is not necessary? When I switched off nfsmount, mythtv wouldn't play video anymore, and when I switched it on again, it did. Was that coincidence? |
| [11:43:09] | Filip: | How does mythtv get the video to the clients, and what process may be involved in limiting that data? |
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| [11:43:28] | Juski: | myth gets video to its clients with (fanfare)... the mythtv protocol |
| [11:43:59] | Juski: | or via NFS if you do it that way (then myth will treat the files as 'local') |
| [11:44:18] | laga: | !trout Juski |
| [11:44:18] | ** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of laga... ** | |
| [11:44:20] | laga: | *grunt* |
| [11:44:26] | ** Juski grunts back ** | |
| [11:44:28] | Zider: | I use samba |
| [11:44:59] | Juski: | samba / conga / NFS – same thing, different protocol |
| [11:45:02] | Filip: | I just pointed the fe to the correct mysql servewr, and magic did the rest |
| [11:45:17] | Zider: | Juski: conga? |
| [11:45:21] | Juski: | lol |
| [11:45:49] | Juski: | oh dear. titanic _2_ ?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 |
| [11:45:51] | Filip: | so there's a chance that NFS may still be involved? |
| [11:46:08] | Juski: | Filip: you can use NFS if you want to |
| [11:46:22] | Juski: | otherwise myth will just use its own protocol to stream the video |
| [11:46:31] | Juski: | how's laga today then? |
| [11:47:01] | ** Juski 's hands are aching like crazy. no building work today, for sure ** | |
| [11:47:18] | Filip: | Juski: I didn't consciously choose that option, but maybe mythtv was configured like that because of a USE flag... |
| [11:47:45] | Filip: | Anyway, switching to NFSv4 and hoping that helps. If not, I'll be back... |
| [11:47:51] | Juski: | Filip: you don't seem to be hearing me. By default mythtv will use the myth protocol |
| [11:48:06] | Filip: | Juski: I got that part |
| [11:48:28] | Filip: | so what could be limiting the file size? streaming doesn't really have a file size, does it? |
| [11:49:24] | Juski: | it looks for the files 'locally' first, so if you mount your recordings directory with NFS or Samba to the same directory they're stored on the backend (e.g. /video/videorec on the backend and /video/videorec on the FE)... it'll go for them that way rather than use the myth protocol |
| [11:49:40] | Juski: | Filip: are you using a wireless connection? |
| [11:49:53] | ** Juski is guessing that Filip _is_ using wireless ** | |
| [11:49:53] | Filip: | Juski: no wireless, but your first comment applies |
| [11:50:09] | Filip: | Juski: I do have an NFS mount in the same location across the network |
| [11:50:18] | Zider: | didn't know mythtv had its own protocol.. cool.. :D |
| [11:50:28] | Juski: | yeh by all means try NFS. AFAIK there's no filesize limit for NFS shares |
| [11:50:40] | Juski: | but then neither is there for myth's own stuff |
| [11:50:40] | Filip: | Juski: Old NFS has a 2 GB filesize limit |
| [11:50:52] | Filip: | this limit does not apply for v4 |
| [11:51:31] | Juski: | ah. I just know 'NFS'.. whatever version I happen to be using |
| [11:51:47] | Filip: | v2 has a limit of 2GB: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| [11:52:18] | ** Juski must be using NFS v4 then, by definition ** | |
| [11:52:24] | Filip: | but if MythTV is as smart to look for the files locally first, I'm actually not using Myths protocol at all, but NFS, causing these problems |
| [11:53:08] | Filip: | Juski: that would make a lot of sense. I had been pushing off upgrading for weeks now, but I had no idea this would cause strange myth behavior. |
| [11:53:17] | Juski: | well how else would NFS work? ;-) |
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| [11:54:04] | Filip: | I only had the NFS installed ofr other uses, as I already knew that mythtv had its own protocol. But when I switched off NFSmount, mythtv stopped functioning, so that didn't make sense to me |
| [11:54:15] | Juski: | how do you tell which version of NFS you've got? |
| [11:54:23] | Filip: | hmm, not sure |
| [11:54:30] | Filip: | You need to have v4 enabled in your kernel |
| [11:54:39] | Juski: | I figured that much |
| [11:54:58] | Filip: | and you need to have nfs-utils >1.0.7 |
| [11:55:11] | Filip: | Probably the entire world but me uses v4 |
| [11:55:12] | Juski: | ouch... I'm only on NFS v3 |
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| [11:55:39] | Filip: | large file support has bee enabled since v3 |
| [11:55:48] | Filip: | so no problrems there |
| [11:55:48] | Juski: | actually anything with warnings like "EXPERIMENTAL! could be risky" in menuconfig, I tend to leave disabled unless I know for sure I need it |
| [11:56:04] | Filip: | I find them tempting, actually |
| [11:56:20] | Juski: | heh. well I'd never had any problems with NFS shares & huge files, so that figures |
| [11:56:36] | Filip: | gotto reboot now for my new kernel, bbl |
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| [11:56:50] | Filip: | thanks for your great help, You reallt cleared the problem up for me |
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| [11:57:10] | Filip: | wait, have to look at the titanic 2 trailer first |
| [11:58:03] | sean33: | any suggestions on how to edit the mythtv mpg recorded source and put it on a dvd ? also mplayer under windows wont play it ? |
| [11:59:11] | Juski: | sean33: if you wanna do it in windows _or_ linux try projectx. if only windows, try pvastrumento |
| [11:59:31] | Juski: | demux audio & video, then remux them back – ta-da ;-) |
| [12:00:07] | sean33: | Juski , projectx ? |
| [12:00:45] | GeM: | dsmyth.sourceforge.net |
| [12:01:01] | GeM: | to play them with mplayer in windows |
| [12:01:41] | scopeuk: | you may come acros a product called win myh avoid t like the plague its the most usless piece of $%^& youll ever see |
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| [12:01:57] | GeM: | scopeuk, I agree |
| [12:02:11] | sean33: | ok will keep that im mind |
| [12:02:26] | Juski: | vlc media player copes with everything I can throw at it |
| [12:02:35] | Juski: | and it can transcode |
| [12:02:42] | scopeuk: | vlc rules and the portable version is prety sqeet |
| [12:03:12] | scopeuk: | Juski you managed to create divx/xvid compatable video files with vlc? |
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| [12:04:49] | Filip: | Juski: Got rid of the nfs mounts, and now mythtv works. Thanks again! |
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| [12:06:46] | rawdlite: | just taught mythwebburn to do what i want. |
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| [12:07:08] | rawdlite: | two clicks and 30 min later i have my iso file |
| [12:08:20] | Juski: | scopeuk: why would I wanna create xvid/divx when I have like 0.9TB storage? :-P |
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| [12:08:52] | GreyFoxx: | hah I have enough xvid's to fill that :) |
| [12:08:53] | Juski: | when I've done that in the past I just used virtualdub or autogordianknot |
| [12:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | virtualdub and avisynth is sweet |
| [12:09:11] | Juski: | there's very little worth keeping anyway |
| [12:09:31] | scopeuk: | yeh spose i orta make my box work before i try to run |
| [12:09:40] | ** scopeuk keeps repeatign to himself walk before you can run ** | |
| [12:10:07] | sean33: | why does mplayer not play the mpeg ? |
| [12:10:40] | GreyFoxx: | IS it giving you an error ? |
| [12:10:53] | sean33: | nope |
| [12:12:36] | GreyFoxx: | So, what exactly happens? And are you running from the commandline or from gmplayer ? |
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| [12:13:17] | sean33: | mplayer in windows xp not linux |
| [12:13:25] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
| [12:13:27] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* |
| [12:13:29] | Juski: | ahh – you've got the wrong OS |
| [12:13:41] | Juski: | install VLC & all will be fine |
| [12:13:53] | GreyFoxx: | NEver had a problem playing an mpeg file of any kind with mplayer under windows, but it's not something I do a lot of |
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| [12:14:24] | GeM: | have you tried dsmyth.. all I needed to install.. then it played fine in mplayer/win |
| [12:14:52] | Juski: | dsmyth is more for nuppelvideo files really |
| [12:15:30] | sean33: | any recomendations for video edit software to crop the start and end ect make this recoreded show a nice dvd ? |
| [12:15:33] | Juski: | but the mysql DB interrogator thing dsmyth gives you is nifty – you can hover the mouse over a file & it'll tell you the show details |
| [12:15:45] | ** Juski uses Sony Vegas ** | |
| [12:15:48] | Juski: | videoredo is good |
| [12:16:11] | Juski: | or you can edit the files directly in mythtv using lossless mpeg2 to mpeg2 encoding |
| [12:16:19] | Juski: | I've had mixed results with that though |
| [12:16:49] | Juski: | i.e. it's not as frame accurate as it implies |
| [12:16:52] | sean33: | ok i will have a look for the sony vagas that sounds farmilur |
| [12:17:44] | Juski: | er... you have to buy Sony Vegas. it's too much for just cutting ads & trimming recordings |
| [12:17:59] | Juski: | videoredo is very good for free |
| [12:18:11] | Juski: | as is cuttermaran |
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| [12:36:43] | Fredde87: | what permissions should the .nuv files have when mythtv creates them? Mine are given -rw-r--r--, is that correct? |
| [12:37:16] | LLyric: | that's fine, since the backend is probably the only thing that wants to modify/delete them |
| [12:37:24] | Fredde87: | ok thx |
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| [13:14:57] | sean33: | can i use vlc to view video stream from the mythweb "recorded programs " ? and is there a configuration for the url so I can change it from myth:// ? or do i register that in mozilla to run vlc ? |
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| [13:19:36] | NightMonkey: | sean33: mythstreamtv.sf.net |
| [13:20:02] | NightMonkey: | Check that it supports 0.19, tho. |
| [13:20:19] | NightMonkey: | (if that's what you're running) |
| [13:21:01] | sean33: | thanks |
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| [13:21:59] | sean33: | thats exactly what im after :)) |
| [13:22:58] | NightMonkey: | sean33: It works very well, but if you want to stream to the Internet, you'll need a decent upload pipe. But, you can tweak the stream to fit your bandwidth. |
| [13:23:34] | sean33: | narr its only for my local lan and i have gigabit lan so that should be fine |
| [13:24:02] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Ah, you might be better served by just sharing the files over Samba (or NFS, if you're all *NIX'd out). |
| [13:24:29] | NightMonkey: | sean33: But, MythStreamTV will work for you in either case. :) |
| [13:25:04] | sean33: | nice to know :) |
| [13:27:10] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Oh, and if you're using a Linux desktop, GOPChop (gopchop.sf.net) is a decent video cropper if you're just looking to crop MPEG2 files. |
| [13:29:03] | sean33: | oow now thats handy to know too :) |
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| [13:32:13] | sean33: | NightMonkey, unfortunatly I have realy configured the myth box as a stand alone unit dont have a monitor atached thus the linux editing isnt going to be usefull at the moment but my new server is linux with dual Opterons so im thinking i maay do some X apps on that |
| [13:32:36] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Yeah, I had been using Avidemux, but it has had some longstanding audio/video sync bugs that have ruined too many burned DVDs... |
| [13:32:53] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Ah, ok. |
| [13:33:29] | sean33: | i generaly use linux as servers or for specific tasks then kinda stuck with microsoft systems around the network .. my mythbox has a tv attached but cant read text on it very well |
| [13:34:19] | sean33: | I built my mythbox ( being a system builder ) in a silverstone with the VFD and imon remote works great |
| [13:34:45] | sean33: | siverstone (case) |
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| [13:35:45] | sean33: | 2x PVR150's and a AMD Opteron 3400 with 512Mb Ram , 2x 250Gb HDD |
| [13:36:49] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Very nice. |
| [13:36:52] | sean33: | i guess the whole myth thing for me is realy just another toy that runs linux :) but now it works its actualy rather handy |
| [13:37:29] | NightMonkey: | sean33: It has transformed my Dish Network subscription into something useful. I never just "sit in front of the tube" anymore. |
| [13:38:13] | NightMonkey: | sean33: I mean, most cable/sat subs give you 500+ channels. But how can you really take advantage of that without a PVR, you know? |
| [13:38:44] | NightMonkey: | sean33: I've even audited some CompSci classes at two different universities. :) |
| [13:39:21] | sean33: | I guess i built this prototype to demo to a professor friend of mine that has 2 foxtel boxes and a room full of VHS cassettes , with the idea that i can build this for him to keep track of the programs he wants when he is on trips |
| [13:39:41] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Never missed a class (unlike real college) :). |
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| [13:40:01] | sean33: | arr yes good plan |
| [13:40:05] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Yeah, and he'll soon see that it is very useful for media research. A Searchable Television is great. |
| [13:41:20] | NightMonkey: | sean33: All a prof has to do is put in their field as a search, and, boom, lots of interesting shows for them. |
| [13:41:45] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Even decidedly non-techy fields, like Philosophy, Anthropology, etc. |
| [13:41:53] | sean33: | i hope that the pvr1300 comes into support soon so i can use the digital |
| [13:42:22] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Is that a new Hauppauge card? |
| [13:42:31] | sean33: | i thought all PHD's have elements of Philosophy |
| [13:42:45] | sean33: | yep 1100 and 1300 |
| [13:43:01] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Technically, yes. But, it is usually a dedicated department at most schools. |
| [13:43:08] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Ah, gotta check them out. |
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| [13:44:23] | sean33: | the support is comming its just not in the current ummm ivtv ? or something like that |
| [13:45:02] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Got a good link for those cards? |
| [13:45:11] | sean33: | I have seen some patches but its not in the main binary versions yet |
| [13:45:35] | sean33: | on the hauppauge site ? |
| [13:45:48] | NightMonkey: | sean33: I checked the main page – is it buried? |
| [13:46:25] | sean33: | i have already got one 1100 digital/analog with the hardware Mpeg2 encoder |
| [13:46:34] | sean33: | hang 5 i will look |
| [13:46:55] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Ah, maybe I'm looking in the wrong section. |
| [13:48:23] | NightMonkey: | sean33: I checked here: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/prod_list.html , no go. |
| [13:49:31] | RaYmAn-Bx: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_hvr1300.html <- that? |
| [13:49:54] | sean33: | wintv-hvr-1100MCE is the partnumber on the box |
| [13:50:51] | sean33: | yea im having problems finding it too |
| [13:51:34] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Heh. But, we know it exists. ;) |
| [13:51:36] | RaYmAn-Bx: | it seems to be non-existing on the US site, but available on european sites |
| [13:51:52] | NightMonkey: | RaYmAn-Bx: Ah, is it for DVB? |
| [13:51:56] | sean33: | ye they have updated the website since last i looked |
| [13:52:15] | sean33: | yep digital broadcast |
| [13:52:20] | NightMonkey: | sean33: Gotcha. |
| [13:52:35] | sean33: | and analog as well if i rember right |
| [13:54:14] | sean33: | i couldnt get it going properly under linux so im just waiting for the next ivtv release |
| [13:56:05] | Juski: | hiya Coume |
| [13:56:16] | sean33: | i have the pvr-150's which have nice video input plugs which is and hardware mpeg encoders which is what i want for the external digtal cable recievers anyways so they are fine |
| [13:56:23] | Coume: | hiya Juski :) how is it going? |
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| [13:57:37] | ** NightMonkey hearts his crisp video on his PVR-350 ** | |
| [13:57:44] | Juski: | Coume: very tired. got my new bathroom suite in place though :-) |
| [13:58:01] | Coume: | eheh Mrs. Juski must be happy :) |
| [13:58:03] | Juski: | how's your weekend been, Coume? btw I'm working on the logo now |
| [13:58:35] | Coume: | very busy, very busy :) Did you notice a change on the forum? |
| [13:59:05] | Juski: | yeh she's happy for the time being. just have to tile the room, put the floor covering in, build a cupboard, fit ceiling speakers, fit a heated towel rail.... |
| [13:59:17] | Juski: | Coume: not sure about the forum change |
| [13:59:39] | ** laga noticed it ** | |
| [13:59:45] | laga: | do i get a special price now? o/ |
| [14:00:05] | ** Coume offers a pint o laga at LUGRadio ;) ** | |
| [14:00:15] | laga: | Coume: yummy |
| [14:00:28] | Coume: | ok, juski will have one too even if he did not notice! |
| [14:00:29] | Coume: | eheh |
| [14:02:12] | Coume: | since 8–8.30a.m. I'm coding and still did not have lunch :X |
| [14:02:30] | Juski: | ahhhh |
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| [14:02:41] | Juski: | I always just skip the front page! |
| [14:03:03] | Coume: | I know ;) we all do that :) but now, the new comers will find something nice, no? |
| [14:03:03] | Juski: | Coume: I worked from 8.30am til after 9pm yesterday – and today my hands are good for nothing ;-) |
| [14:03:15] | Coume: | eheh Juski :) |
| [14:04:23] | Juski: | my dad was helping me though – but we had to move the waste pipes for the bath & the basin – oh and solve the single leak. I ducking hate compression fittings |
| [14:06:45] | laga: | oh, the frontpage? *goes to look* |
| [14:07:24] | laga: | Coume: oooh, spiffy! |
| [14:07:43] | Coume: | eheh laga, you lost your pint! |
| [14:08:02] | laga: | Coume: i was gonna talk to you about the "betreten sie das deutsche forum für ihr selbstgebautes blockflötengerät" or whatever you wrote there. let's just say that it translates back to english to something about music instruments ;) |
| [14:08:10] | laga: | Coume: I'll steal juski's |
| [14:08:22] | ** Juski uses his tazer on laga ** | |
| [14:08:36] | Juski: | damn. now my beer is warm. you can keep it ;-) |
| [14:08:38] | ** laga dances ** | |
| [14:08:42] | Coume: | lol |
| [14:08:59] | laga: | Videoblockflöte – *rotfl* SCNR ;) |
| [14:09:01] | Coume: | laga, feel free to PM the right translation :) |
| [14:09:15] | laga: | Coume: later, i'm busy atm |
| [14:10:02] | Coume: | laga, np ;) I think I've enough played with bluefish for today! |
| [14:10:21] | laga: | it's 3pm for you. stop being such a slacker! ;) |
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| [14:11:15] | Coume: | lol I'm not used anymore to 6h coding... |
| [14:11:28] | laga: | ;) |
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| [14:14:31] | Juski: | argh I hate tracing bitmaps |
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| [14:39:20] | defy: | is there any way to launch live tv from withing mythweb? |
| [14:39:43] | laga: | maybe if you hack it to use the new network control system |
| [14:50:36] | Coume: | have a good easter :) it's lunch time for me :) |
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| [14:55:04] | defy: | does anyone here have a good listing source for new zealand? |
| [14:55:48] | psymin: | Anyone using a card in a 64bit PCI-X slot .. like an osprey or something? |
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| [15:02:35] | fatmatt: | heyas |
| [15:03:06] | fatmatt: | anyone know if checking time at pool.ntp.org say, once an hour is excessive? |
| [15:04:05] | RaYmAn-Bx: | why not just run ntpd instead? |
| [15:05:14] | RaYmAn-Bx: | at default settings whatever that is |
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| [15:06:48] | fatmatt: | because I haven't really been concerned about keeping the time that accurate on my pc until recently when for some reason it decided to drop and 70minutes and I've just started looking it |
| [15:06:57] | fatmatt: | nows ntpd work? |
| [15:07:14] | kayelem: | setting it once an hour can make the clock jump; so not so good. |
| [15:07:31] | RaYmAn-Bx: | it always runs and polls the server at some interval making sure the time is correct |
| [15:07:36] | kayelem: | ntpd will keep it accurate by working out a drift value for your PC clock |
| [15:07:43] | RaYmAn-Bx: | but it won't correct large errors in the time |
| [15:07:55] | RaYmAn-Bx: | so running ntpdate at boot is a pretty decent idea |
| [15:08:04] | kayelem: | I have one machine here synced to pool.ntp.org then the rest of my LAN syncs off that. |
| [15:08:17] | fatmatt: | RaYmAn-Bx: its the large errors I'm worried about, from my logs it looks like the time just jumpe for some reason |
| [15:08:43] | fatmatt: | and it's up pretty much 24/7 so booting aint so great |
| [15:09:09] | RaYmAn-Bx: | well, I'd try running ntpd and see if it still happens with that running (of course running ntpdate before first starting ntpd) |
| [15:10:36] | kayelem: | ntpdate -b to force it to step, btw. Then start ntpd and leave it – takes a while to sort itself out and settle down. |
| [15:11:15] | fatmatt: | RaYmAn-Bx: it's been intermittent... |
| [15:11:45] | fatmatt: | once a week, sometimes every 2 weeks, usually sometime on a sunday.. |
| [15:11:58] | Fredde87: | fatmatt your battery seems to be dead |
| [15:12:22] | fatmatt: | Fredde87: you think that could be it? |
| [15:12:25] | Fredde87: | yepp |
| [15:12:36] | fatmatt: | I thought the hwclock was independent of th system clock |
| [15:12:42] | kayelem: | if the machine's up 24/7 then it won't be the battery |
| [15:12:56] | Fredde87: | kayelem has a point |
| [15:12:58] | kayelem: | that problem would only show on a reboot |
| [15:13:05] | Fredde87: | if its up 24/7 then its probebly not the battery |
| [15:13:06] | fatmatt: | and I checkd hwclock and it was okay |
| [15:13:43] | Fredde87: | the hwclock is okej but not the os time? |
| [15:14:18] | kayelem: | an olld server here had a duff hwclock that did 1 hour in 20 mins; it was fine as long as the machine was running. Turn it off for a while and you'd be in the future pretty fast :) |
| [15:14:21] | fatmatt: | I do have a couple of scripts that run on a Sunday, they record audio and I use sleep to tell them when to stop, thats about the only thing thats different about that day |
| [15:15:47] | kayelem: | hmm... I've heard of audio recording messing up the system clock – though that's with low-latency patched kernel running jackd and stuff. |
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| [15:16:23] | fatmatt: | how does the system clock work? does it take ticks from somewhere on the mb? |
| [15:16:38] | kayelem: | fatmatt, if it's a large error accumulated in a short time in small steps then ntpd running would likely keep it syncronised. |
| [15:16:58] | adipate: | it syncs with the cmos at boot and then its run in software as far as I know |
| [15:17:12] | hashbang: | fatmatt: the kernel reads the hardware clock at startup, thereafter, it's all done in software, based on timer interrupts. |
| [15:17:17] | kayelem: | fatmatt, iirc it's entirely in software once it's running. |
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| [15:17:57] | kayelem: | hashbang, so if the interrupts are interrupted by higher-priority interrupts (like audio recording) then your system clock goes south... |
| [15:18:14] | hashbang: | kayelem: conceivably, yes, I suppose. |
| [15:18:32] | hashbang: | kayelem: but if you're running ntpd, that should keep everything broadly in sync. |
| [15:18:33] | fatmatt: | how often does ntpd check the time with the pool? I think theres an option in ntpdate to adjust the time in steps |
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| [15:18:58] | hashbang: | ntpd should never /jump/ the clock forward or back, it should always gradually slew to the correct value. |
| [15:19:21] | hashbang: | the only thing that jumps the system clock is hwclock or ntpdate |
| [15:19:45] | kayelem: | slewing it is better for a fair few bits of s/w – I'd guess scheduling recordings comes into this category? |
| [15:20:42] | hashbang: | kayelem: well, it means that the system will never experience the same moment in time twice, or completely miss a point in time. |
| [15:21:34] | kayelem: | hashbang, oh – I'm getting to the bottom of missing interlace on nvidia using the HD-15 out... |
| [15:21:50] | hashbang: | kayelem: oh – I thought it was working for you? |
| [15:21:59] | hashbang: | kayelem: it is now fixed in the 8756 driver, BTW. |
| [15:23:30] | kayelem: | hashbang, 6629 worked (default on gentoo), 7174 doesn't (default on knoppmyth), I'm now on 8756 manually installed on my knoppmyth box. |
| [15:24:58] | kayelem: | hashbang, yeah, it worked until I decided to switch from gentoo and give knoppmyth a try-out. Then my oscilloscope, she say "no interlace"... and my '69 405-line TV didn't like the syncs either. |
| [15:25:07] | hashbang: | oh, here's a question – what sort of maintenance does mythtv do on the database? does it just grow and grow? also, are the tables ever optimized? |
| [15:25:16] | hashbang: | kayelem: :-( |
| [15:25:58] | kayelem: | Fixed, though. Disable knoppmyth automatic nvidia driver checky-thingy; manually shove 8756 on and it seems ok now. |
| [15:26:07] | hashbang: | curious. |
| [15:26:28] | hashbang: | I just took the ATrpms src.rpm of 8178 and rebuilt it with 8756. AT has an 8756 RPM now, though. |
| [15:27:16] | chinamill: | Anyone around that got CI and CAM experience? |
| [15:28:15] | kayelem: | hashbang, I couldn't figure how to update it within knoppmyth an 'official' way |
| [15:28:33] | fatmatt: | think I'll just stick with ntpdate, if its a small change it'll slew, if not then it could some hours to adjust if I use ntpd |
| [15:28:34] | hashbang: | kayelem: probably take the source deb and roll your own. |
| [15:29:02] | fatmatt: | and it's the big changes I've issues with |
| [15:29:17] | hashbang: | fatmatt: the usual way to do it is to run ntpdate once before starting ntpd to get the clocks in sync, then use ntpd to /keep/ them in sync. |
| [15:29:36] | hashbang: | fatmatt: if you're regularly running ntpdate, your clock is gonna be all over the place. |
| [15:32:15] | kayelem: | if it's down to audio recording mucking the timer interrupts up, then it's not a big change all in one go, iyswim – more like lots of small errors adding up over a relatively short time. I'd suspect ntpd would cope with even this. |
| [15:32:46] | kayelem: | iirc it's possible to set some option in the ntpd.conf file so it will step if there's a big error |
| [15:33:19] | hashbang: | kayelem: that's usually the wrong answer, though. |
| [15:33:27] | kayelem: | yup. |
| [15:33:42] | hashbang: | or rather, the right answer to the wrong question. :-) |
| [15:33:44] | kayelem: | the right answer is "find out what's screing the clock up" |
| [15:33:52] | kayelem: | *screwing |
| [15:34:22] | hashbang: | consider what happens if you're regularly running ntpdate against a hostname that's usually one machine, but sometimes another with a completely different clock. |
| [15:34:33] | hashbang: | e.g. round-robin DNS |
| [15:35:39] | kayelem: | yup. I did once have ntpdate run once an hour; but had it use my ISPs ntp only for that reason. |
| [15:36:01] | kayelem: | it still jumped as the system clock was gaining 2 seconds an hour... |
| [15:36:14] | kayelem: | ntpd was the proper answer... |
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| [15:37:02] | kayelem: | (this was a long time ago on an ancient machine) |
| [15:38:20] | kayelem: | I now have one machine sync to 3 servers on pool.ntp.org; rest of the LAN syncs to that. So even if I fall off the 'net the LAN stays in sync with itself. |
| [15:39:11] | kayelem: | and the drift file should mean it won't wander too far off while I'm offline. |
| [15:39:59] | kayelem: | (going to build an MSF radio clock sometime, too...) |
| [15:42:35] | Baylink: | hashbang: if the machines behind the roundrobin are reasonable servers, they ought to all be within delta, anyway, no? That's how pool.ntp.org is doing it... |
| [15:48:15] | hashbang: | Baylink: emphasis on 'ought to be' :-) |
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| [15:48:51] | fatmatt: | I'll look into ntpd and see if there's an option to step for large problems |
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| [16:18:06] | jasta: | yawn |
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| [16:48:48] | jonK: | so I've been building a new backend server to get rid of the kt266 via chipset -- |
| [16:49:23] | jonK: | question: I installed ubuntu using the "server" install flag, so very little was actually installed — what are people's thoughts on window mangers? |
| [16:50:35] | jonK: | I was thinking of just apt-get'ing gdm and having it grab whatever |
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| [16:57:50] | kayelem: | jonK, personally I tend tu use blackbox on most everything but that's just me. |
| [16:58:13] | jonK: | why blackbox? |
| [16:58:24] | kayelem: | it's small; basically. |
| [16:58:30] | jonK: | I'm using this for nothing but mythtv, includinga frontend |
| [16:58:51] | kayelem: | evilwm, then – even more minimalist :) |
| [16:59:16] | jonK: | well, do have some web content in addition to mythweb |
| [16:59:23] | jonK: | (gallery) |
| [16:59:24] | JustWilliam: | hi folks im on about creating a PVR using mythtv wot hardware do people reccomend |
| [17:01:01] | ** chinamill is away: _ ** | |
| [17:01:17] | jonK: | JustWilliam: I like the hauppage tuners |
| [17:01:48] | kayelem: | JustWilliam, the short answer is "it depends on what you want to do with it" and I'd also suggest reading the recommendations on the mythtv site for a start. That's what I did. Then ignored a lot of it ;-) |
| [17:02:07] | JustWilliam: | lol |
| [17:02:33] | kayelem: | I have a Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-t card and a GeForce4 in my system, though. They're both pretty popular. |
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| [17:06:16] | JustWilliam: | which graphics cards have hardware mpeg2 decoding support under linux and myth |
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| [17:07:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | JustWilliam: I use Hauppauge (150,250,350,500) tuners for analog (hardware encoding) — and an HD3000 for Digital ATSC (US Over-the-air HD) |
| [17:07:47] | kayelem: | JustWilliam, the TV out on on the Hauppauge PVR-350 has onboard mpeg decoder |
| [17:08:03] | JustWilliam: | i live in the uk and want DVB-t |
| [17:09:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | JustWilliam: Nvidia is your best bet with Linux. GF4 or newer has Motion-Compensation that works well, but the OSD is only greyscale with the current myth (or driver?) implementation. |
| [17:09:10] | kayelem: | JustWilliam, if you have enough CPU power software decoding works fine – I'm in the UK and have DVB-t with a Hauppauge "Nova-T", nVidia Geforce4 MX4000 on an 800MHz Duron with 256M rAM. |
| [17:09:56] | kayelem: | OSD is greyscale on GF4..? Someone's not told my GF4 that, evidely... |
| [17:10:04] | kayelem: | *evidently... |
| [17:10:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | JustWilliam: But I can play back 1080i on a 1GHz PIII using XVMC with virtually no stuttering. |
| [17:10:35] | laga: | xvmc = greyscale osd; but read up on ticket #512. |
| [17:10:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: Are you using XVMC? |
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| [17:11:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: Thanks... I'll look @ that... ;-) |
| [17:11:14] | kayelem: | JustWilliam, if you actually *want* true MPEG decoding on a card then you can use a DVB-t card and use the TV out on a Hauppauge PVR-350 |
| [17:11:56] | zamboni: | so this an indirect mythtv question: anyone here running mythtv on slackware with a 2.6.16.5 kernel? |
| [17:12:14] | zamboni: | and a WinTV 250 |
| [17:12:24] | zamboni: | from Hauppage |
| [17:12:56] | JustWilliam: | thanks for your suggestions they have helped alot |
| [17:13:49] | kayelem: | I'm using the PCI-card 'Nova-T btw – not the USB one. |
| [17:14:09] | kayelem: | Thought I'd better mention that since they're both called "Nova-T" |
| [17:15:11] | sphing: | zamboni: why |
| [17:16:24] | zamboni: | cant build the modules or utils on 2.6.16.5 |
| [17:16:45] | zamboni: | undeclared mutternings from the compilier |
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| [17:17:12] | zamboni: | should it build? |
| [17:17:24] | kayelem: | zamboni – you got kernel source installed and /usr/src/linux symlinked appropriately? |
| [17:17:39] | zamboni: | yep I do believe |
| [17:17:59] | zamboni: | though its always worth a check |
| [17:18:04] | earthw0rm: | i'm getting some message when I try to rip a DVD saying my transcoding daemon caonnot be connected to, and that if pressing a key doesn't fix it, something is "really wrong" |
| [17:18:07] | earthw0rm: | what can i do? |
| [17:18:34] | sphing: | zamboni: i know a usb driver is having some issues with 2.6.16 |
| [17:18:46] | zamboni: | could that complicate things? |
| [17:18:50] | kayelem: | zamboni – you might not have something enabled in the kernel in that case. Can't remember but it's like if you're building alsa seperately you need 'soundcore' enabled and everything else disabled in the kernel. |
| [17:18:52] | sphing: | could.. |
| [17:19:22] | sphing: | zamboni paste the error in pastebin |
| [17:19:36] | zamboni: | hmmm interensting I still uoght to/must configure v4l support in the kernel tree right? |
| [17:19:49] | zamboni: | I will later on today if thats okay |
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| [17:21:33] | zamboni: | kayelem thats what I believe Ive done in my case but as I said everythings worth a check thanks for |
| [17:21:50] | zamboni: | the heads up on the USB possibility there sphing |
| [17:21:55] | zamboni: | back at it! |
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| [17:24:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: OSD Chromakey looks promising... Looks like I'll have to wait for .20 for that though... |
| [17:24:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | (at least with XVMC) |
| [17:26:21] | laga: | jesusfish: uh, it works on 0.19 |
| [17:26:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Another Q: (anybody) — Is there any way to turn off the OSD in favor of using an LCD? |
| [17:26:37] | laga: | i'm using it. and i meant to talk to J-e-f-f-A, not to some fish ;) |
| [17:27:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: Kewl. Do I have to compile to use it? I'm currently running .19 RPMs for FC4... |
| [17:28:18] | kormoc: | laga, not some fish! you spoke to the jesus fish! he saves your soul while being tender and flaky! |
| [17:28:32] | laga: | kormoc: i'm fish-agnostic |
| [17:28:42] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [17:28:48] | laga: | J-e-f-f-A: i don't think so. just enable the setting in the DB and modify your xorg.conf |
| [17:29:02] | kormoc: | Mmm... Batter dipped deep fried jesus fish... |
| [17:29:06] | ** kormoc does the homer drool ** | |
| [17:29:18] | jonK: | kormoc: any thoughts on a window manager for my new backend? I installed as an ubuntu server, so it's a clean slate |
| [17:29:44] | sphing: | jesusfish is going to come to his machine in a couple hours and be wtf ? |
| [17:29:58] | kormoc: | jonK, I really like xfce (version 4+) myself, it's light and fast and works quite well |
| [17:30:09] | laga: | sphing: well... not yet |
| [17:30:19] | ** laga gets four nails... it's easter. ** | |
| [17:30:29] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [17:30:31] | jonK: | evilwm has been suggested |
| [17:30:57] | kayelem: | evilwm is about as small and light as they come... |
| [17:31:03] | jonK: | and should i just apt-get xfce and rely in it to grab everything else, or is there an instlal path i should rely on? |
| [17:31:18] | kormoc: | jonK, apt-get should do the job nicely |
| [17:31:29] | kayelem: | I like xfce, too; run it by default on the box that serve my x terminals |
| [17:31:50] | kormoc: | jonK, I find that evilwm and most of the *box are just not as usable for myself, and xfce is nice and customizable. |
| [17:31:58] | jonK: | and gdm? |
| [17:32:29] | kormoc: | hrm? |
| [17:32:55] | kormoc: | I do beleive you can use gdm to launch xfce, if that's what you're asking |
| [17:33:30] | kayelem: | when I get around to building a myth backend, though; i'm likely to run it headless and admin it from another box. |
| [17:34:35] | kormoc: | kayelem, sadly, you need QT to run the backend, so you can have it not run X, but you need a good bit of things installed |
| [17:34:38] | jonK: | kornok yes it is |
| [17:34:50] | kayelem: | kormoc, *nods* |
| [17:35:08] | jonK: | i'm using both backend/front end for this machine |
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| [17:36:56] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [17:37:11] | Zider: | hey kormoc :) |
| [17:37:14] | kormoc: | newegg needs to finish my rma soon |
| [17:37:20] | kormoc: | hello Zider, how goes things? |
| [17:37:23] | jonK: | what did you RMA? |
| [17:37:28] | Zider: | kormoc: I got my sound working |
| [17:37:32] | kormoc: | Zider, yeah? |
| [17:37:35] | jonK: | I'm dealing wiht an RMA of memory modules from them right now |
| [17:37:45] | Zider: | kormoc: yeah, I stuck an old sb-pci in the box |
| [17:37:46] | kormoc: | jonK, my generic shuttle case, the power supply in it died |
| [17:37:52] | Zider: | kormoc: so I have two sound cards |
| [17:38:05] | kormoc: | Zider, heh, well, least it's working! |
| [17:38:17] | jonK: | I have a shuttle case, the one wiht the pearl automotive paint finish — things as loud as a garbage disposal |
| [17:38:23] | Zider: | kormoc: yeps :D |
| [17:38:59] | kormoc: | jonK, Mine's not overly loud, but it's rather sucky heatwise. the power supply died cause there wasn't enough cooling on it |
| [17:39:39] | kormoc: | jonK, but yeah, they said one to three buisnessdays last tuesday, so it's been five |
| [17:39:54] | kormoc: | well, today will be five |
| [17:39:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | My backend is really loud, but it's in the basement. I'd rather have it loud & cool then quiet, hot & dead... |
| [17:40:15] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, sadly, I have no basement :) |
| [17:40:26] | jonK: | my new one appears to be much more quiet |
| [17:40:35] | jonK: | but we'll see once all the drives are installed |
| [17:40:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: speaking of which... Did your RMA go through yet? |
| [17:40:51] | kormoc: | I have an actual shuttle brand shuttle at work, and it's wonderful |
| [17:41:02] | jonK: | am going to build a working system and then pull the two big drives from the current backend once it's working |
| [17:41:14] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, not yet, they received it last tuesday, and it's been sitting on the waiting for inspection |
| [17:41:14] | jonK: | going to just blow all the current recordings away |
| [17:41:27] | jonK: | sad, all those episodes of cagney & lacey |
| [17:41:32] | jonK: | just gone |
| [17:41:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonK: Wow, that was a flashback! |
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| [17:42:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonK: Although I'm not one to talk... I've got "Magnum PI", "Knight Rider" and "A-Team" recorded on mine... ;-) |
| [17:43:05] | kayelem: | Hmm... anyone know how/where the font for the mythfrontend UI is specified and if it's possible to specify a scalable one that'll scale properly on a roughly 120dpi x 60dpi display..? |
| [17:43:52] | laga: | kayelem: you're supposed to set X to 100dpi... |
| [17:44:22] | kormoc: | laga, ooh? isn't it better to have X know the real size of the display? |
| [17:44:29] | kayelem: | laga, no choice; it's not possible to do that (unless i swap the crystal on my graphics card or something... |
| [17:44:58] | kormoc: | kayelem, sure you can. you can tell X your display is any DPI you want, and it will happly do it's thing |
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| [17:45:34] | kayelem: | kormoc, I have specified the display size, this is how it knows it's a 4:3 display even though it's 968 x 378 |
| [17:45:54] | jonK: | j-e-f-f-a when you have 600gb of space for recordings, you tend to start to record stuff you'd never otherwise |
| [17:46:01] | ** kayelem is doing slightly odd things with mythtv... ** | |
| [17:46:16] | jonK: | and the new system will have 1tb for recordings |
| [17:46:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonK Yep. I've got 760GB, so I know exactly what you're saying!!! |
| [17:46:51] | kormoc: | kayelem, right, but you can lie about the display size to get it to think it's 100 dpi if you wanted |
| [17:47:22] | kayelem: | kormoc, if i did the aspect ratio woudn't be 4:3 though... |
| [17:47:53] | kormoc: | kayelem, very true |
| [17:48:06] | kayelem: | kormoc, either way, 968 x 378 on a 4:3 TV is still a very "rectangular-pixel" display... |
| [17:48:08] | kormoc: | then again, my monitor is 87x86 dpi |
| [17:48:36] | kormoc: | kayelem, yeah, which is why most people use 800x600 |
| [17:48:55] | kayelem: | kormoc, not possible with this TV standard... |
| [17:49:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [17:49:09] | kormoc: | kayelem, what videocard are you using to output this? |
| [17:49:29] | kayelem: | kormoc, System-A – original "high-definition" standard from 1936 :) |
| [17:49:36] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [17:50:06] | kayelem: | kormoc, nvidia GeForce4 with hand-crafted weird modeline... and some hardware to get composite mono from the HD-15 :) |
| [17:51:24] | kormoc: | uhh... okay... that's a bit... different :P |
| [17:51:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: What are you using it for, a museum display? |
| [17:51:50] | laga: | kayelem: well. start X like that: X -dpi 100. should work :) |
| [17:52:14] | kayelem: | kormoc, System-A ran from 1936 to 1985 with a break for WWII – I collect old tech and want to watch TV on vintage 405-linse sets... the TV bit works *perfectly* but the UI is a little crazy atm. |
| [17:52:15] | kormoc: | laga, that won't really help, as it will still render things off of what reality is |
| [17:52:23] | laga: | kormoc: no, it's not. in a "normal" setup, it'd be the best thing to let X know about the real geometry, but to get good results with font scaling in mythtv, everything needs to be set up for 100dpi |
| [17:52:32] | kormoc: | huh |
| [17:52:50] | kormoc: | that seems... backwards |
| [17:53:05] | laga: | kormoc: this has been beaten to death a hundred times on mailing lists etc :) |
| [17:53:21] | jonK: | my next question is to whether I should continue using the pvr350 out or switch to something else |
| [17:53:46] | kormoc: | laga, got any good links handy? I'm courious |
| [17:53:51] | kayelem: | kormoc, if I could find a card which does a pixel-clock down to about 6MHz with fine-grained control; i could get a rectangular-pixel display with the right timings – but the nVidia goes down to 12MHz only so i'm stuck with 968 x 378... |
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| [17:54:21] | kayelem: | kormoc, laga – fun problem, eh? <g> |
| [17:54:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: perhaps an older nvidia card would do the trick? |
| [17:54:39] | kormoc: | kayelem, the GeForce 2 mx 400 can go to 8 mhz I know... I couldn't push it lower doe to the display I had hooked up to it, but it might be what you wanted. |
| [17:54:59] | kayelem: | kormoc, I have a GeForce2 but found it wouldn't do interlace |
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| [17:56:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: I was playing with a GF2 to drive my old Sony CRT projector, and it worked great. (my projector only scans from 15khz to 29khz) IIRC (haven't used it in a while), I was able to get an 800x600i at 75hz, with virtually no flicker due to the high refresh rate... |
| [17:56:41] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, atm i'm using a 1969 9" portable 405-line set for testing – but at the show I'm demoing this lot at in May it'll get hooked up to a pre WWII 5" round-tube television..! |
| [17:57:25] | kayelem: | System-A is 10.125kHz line-rate, 50Hz frame rate, interlaced... it's a bit... slow... :) |
| [17:58:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: That's pretty cool. I know I had a pain of a time trying to get the right parameters in Linux, I ended up booting Win98 and using "powerstrip" to figure out resolutions/frequencies that my monitor could handle and generating modelines for Linux with it. Then I fine-tuned them in Linux... |
| [17:59:30] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, I read up on exactly how modelines are calculated and sat down for a couple of fun hours with some paper and the system-A timing specification... |
| [18:00:03] | kayelem: | ..got it damn-near spot-on, too. Line-rate is only 3Hz out and these old sets are ok with that error. |
| [18:01:18] | kormoc: | kayelem, ahh, understandable |
| [18:01:47] | ** chinamill is back ** | |
| [18:01:49] | kayelem: | MythTV programme guide on a 1969 405-line set for your entertainment – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/Myth405/20 . . . th405-PG.jpg |
| [18:02:18] | kayelem: | (the set was a little poorly at the time, I've fixed it since that shot) |
| [18:02:32] | AlmtyBob: | can you tell mythTV to not bother playing live tv? |
| [18:02:52] | AlmtyBob: | err record |
| [18:03:30] | GreyFoxx: | AlmtyBob: No |
| [18:05:14] | kormoc: | AlmtyBob, you could just not watch live tv and it won't record it |
| [18:05:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem – That's pretty neat. It'd probably drive me crazy trying to read it though... ;-) |
| [18:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: Especially since all my 'TV's have been replaced with Computer monitors... ;-) |
| [18:06:04] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, it's not bad, but you see my problem with the font rendering... |
| [18:07:09] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, DVB-t and DVD are pretty good, about as good as off-air used to be before the transmitters were shut down in 1985. It's cool getting pictures on these old sets once again with a bit of modern tech :) |
| [18:08:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: Yeah, I think it's pretty neat. |
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| [18:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hi xris... |
| [18:09:28] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, cheers :) It's taken some effort and people think i'm nuts for trying it... |
| [18:09:39] | mishehu: | bah. |
| [18:10:22] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, graphics cards were just *not* designed for this... |
| [18:11:16] | jonK: | ok .... installing x-window core — going to try xfce |
| [18:11:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: At least not the new stuff. I had to search around for an old Nvidia to scan down to 15khz for my Sony 1030 projector... (15khz to 29khz) |
| [18:11:47] | mishehu: | xris: I think I have to call up cumcast. I hooked up a windoze box, installed some MCE firewire drivers taht recognized the 6200 tuner and panel, and I try to record with pinnacle studio 10, with capvhs or whatever it was called, and dctrecord, and I get nada from any of this. capvhs actually recognizes the fps, resolutions, and asr but tcprobe can't identify the type of file it is after that. |
| [18:12:24] | kayelem: | J-e-f-f-A, well, the GeForce4 will definitely do 10.125kHz and i've had it at 15.625kHz as well. If my calculations are riht the Matrox G550 will work as well. |
| [18:14:02] | Juski: | kayelem: what show are you talking about taking your system to? |
| [18:14:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | kayelem: Humm... I've got a Matrox G450 dual-head laying around... I was going to use that in a 'mame' cabinet though... |
| [18:14:33] | kayelem: | Juski, National Vintage Communications Fair (in the uk) |
| [18:15:12] | kayelem: | Juski, http://www.nvcf.org.uk/ |
| [18:15:14] | Juski: | cool :) |
| [18:16:26] | Juski: | must be difficult keeping that kind of thing in working order ;-) |
| [18:16:59] | kayelem: | Juski, there's to be a display of various standards converters; with me with my mythtv box (the only software solution on readily-available hardware – the rest are all dedicated hardware converters for 625i/50 to 405i/50 conversion using various techniques) |
| [18:18:04] | Juski: | oh – you mean like the big thing the bbc used for converting the moon landing broadcast & stuff ? |
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| [18:18:32] | morbidi: | hello |
| [18:18:52] | kayelem: | Juski, unfortunately not – though i'd love to see that beast. These are all converters that have been developed since the transmissions of 405-line ended in 1985. |
| [18:19:14] | morbidi: | I'm running kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 and I have the strangest behaviour with scantv |
| [18:19:31] | morbidi: | (I know that this isn't xawtv channel) |
| [18:19:38] | kayelem: | Juski, a couple of recent commercial designs, and several amateur "home brew" ones. And a PC running Linux & mythtv :) |
| [18:20:17] | morbidi: | I been now for a month trying to put scantv to work but it always says : /dev/vbi invalid argument |
| [18:20:23] | Juski: | kayelem: I saw the bbc R&D dept's timeline of things technological a while ago & I was stunned to learn how long digital audio/video things have been around |
| [18:20:34] | morbidi: | I don't understand why |
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| [18:20:48] | kayelem: | Juski, yeah, fascinating stuff :) |
| [18:20:58] | morbidi: | I checked on ubuntu and worked, but on gentoo :| still isn't working |
| [18:21:07] | morbidi: | does anyone had a similar problem ? |
| [18:21:14] | Juski: | I once wanted to build my own dual channel TBC so I could make my own vision mixer... was way too complicated for me |
| [18:21:42] | Juski: | morbid: scantv? this is the mythtv channel |
| [18:22:25] | Juski: | morbidi: but an error like that would mean your tuner card driver isn't working properly (if at all) |
| [18:22:26] | morbidi: | Juski: I just wanna scan my freq list |
| [18:22:35] | kayelem: | Juski, I guess i ought to join the forum and mention this show; maybe a few uk folk might want to come down and see mythtv on unusual hardware :) |
| [18:22:38] | mchou: | morbidi: dont use gentoo? |
| [18:22:46] | mchou: | morbidi: :) |
| [18:22:46] | morbidi: | I have a playtv pr 2 |
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| [18:23:06] | Juski: | kayelem: well, it definitely qualifies as being unusual! |
| [18:23:32] | mchou: | morbidi: anyways, unless you want closed captioning the loss of vbi is not such a big deal |
| [18:24:14] | morbidi: | mchou: I know |
| [18:24:22] | mchou: | morbidi: scantv should still work ok even if the vbi device is not present, afaik |
| [18:24:27] | morbidi: | the problem is I cannot pass the point of scantv |
| [18:24:29] | Juski: | morbidi: if it works in ubuntu but not gentoo my guess would be that you've not built the kernel properly |
| [18:24:41] | mchou: | Juski: bingo!! |
| [18:24:58] | morbidi: | what do you mean by that ? |
| [18:25:00] | kayelem: | Juski, much respect to the developers of MythTV, Linux, X etc etc for it being so damn *flexible* enough such that a mad woman with a thing for old TV sets can use it fairly readily without much messing about... :) |
| [18:25:22] | morbidi: | I followed the same steps I do since I have gentoo, since 2 or 3 years |
| [18:25:29] | mchou: | morbidi: need to enable vbi in kernel compile |
| [18:25:50] | morbidi: | mchou: don't know where that is |
| [18:25:52] | Juski: | morbidi: I mean exactly that... you've not built the kernel with the right options – or you've neglected to load the right modules, or the modules aren't being loaded in the right order... |
| [18:26:01] | mchou: | morbidi: then stop using gentoo |
| [18:26:06] | morbidi: | is there a module for vbi ? I cant find it |
| [18:26:53] | mchou: | anyone have experience with unionfs? |
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| [18:28:29] | mchou: | Frys has a fx5200 on sale today |
| [18:28:33] | mchou: | for $10 |
| [18:28:51] | mchou: | too bad it doesnt have dvi |
| [18:29:09] | mchou: | otherwise I would have bought it |
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| [18:30:27] | mchou: | cheapass evga |
| [18:31:49] | mmead: | mchou: fx5200 doesn't have the ability to scale 1920x1080 down using the default xv port |
| [18:31:57] | mmead: | mchou: or rather, *mine* doesn't |
| [18:32:09] | kormoc: | mmead, ooh? what one do you have? |
| [18:32:15] | Juski: | morbidi: what kind of tuner card are you trying to get working anyway? |
| [18:32:28] | mmead: | kormoc: "mad dog multimedia" fx5200 |
| [18:32:54] | kormoc: | mmead, ooh, I was using XvMC, I don't recall if I attempted to use XV vanilla or not... |
| [18:33:01] | mmead: | kormoc: specifying XV port to the blitter port using a patch to pull from environment variable did the trick, though it still couldn't really keep up with 1080i without glitching |
| [18:33:23] | mmead: | kormoc: I cannot get XvMC going at all. |
| [18:33:27] | kormoc: | yeah, I remember when you were working on it awhile ago. |
| [18:33:32] | morbidi: | Juski: if by tuner card you mean playtv pro 2 |
| [18:33:35] | morbidi: | that's the one |
| [18:33:54] | Juski: | pixelview playtv... |
| [18:34:03] | mchou: | mmead: really?? that sux |
| [18:34:05] | mmead: | kormoc: I'm still seeing >92% CPU usage on athlon 64 @1800mhz to play 1080i with bob |
| [18:34:14] | morbidi: | Juski: yes |
| [18:34:22] | mmead: | mchou: yeah, I put a 6200 in and it does fine |
| [18:34:42] | Juski: | I have a pixelview playtv pro that was given to me. I wasted _so_ much time trying to get it to work properly it was unbelievable – and that was in Windows, with the right drivers |
| [18:34:43] | mchou: | mmead: you cant get XvMC going on fx5200??? |
| [18:34:49] | mmead: | kormoc: however, linear blend on 1080i uses around 65–70% cpu |
| [18:35:07] | mmead: | mchou: I tried unsuccesfully with the fx5200 |
| [18:35:09] | xris: | mchou: it doesn't help me speed-wise with my 6800.. slower than software |
| [18:35:13] | kormoc: | Juski, same card I have, went rather easy |
| [18:35:18] | kormoc: | morbidi, what's the issue? |
| [18:35:21] | mmead: | mchou: then put the 6200 in, and can't get xvmc going on the 6200 |
| [18:35:24] | mchou: | xris: huh??? |
| [18:35:42] | morbidi: | kormoc: vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] |
| [18:35:43] | mchou: | xris: xvmc is slower than sw on 6800?? |
| [18:35:43] | morbidi: | open /dev/vbi: Invalid argument |
| [18:35:47] | mishehu: | mchou: btw, don't know if you caught it, but I hooked up a windoze machine, installed some firewire drivers for teh motorola 6200, and used capsvhs and dctrecord to try to record... capsvhs detected teh resolution and aspect ratio jsut fine, but I didn't get anything that was readible. looks like I have to call cumcast... |
| [18:35:49] | morbidi: | with scantv |
| [18:35:59] | xris: | mchou: something's just not quite right, but yeah, it is. |
| [18:36:02] | kormoc: | mmead, XvMC is very dependant on the motherboard chipset |
| [18:36:09] | xris: | jerkier, not really watchable |
| [18:36:21] | Juski: | morbidi: does scantv have any options you can use in the commandline? |
| [18:36:25] | mmead: | mchou: I see the same thing – xvmc glitches on a period of 1.5–2s for me, software decoding (when not using bob) is much smoother and fits in the cpu constraints of the box |
| [18:36:30] | kormoc: | morbidi, what kernel are you using? |
| [18:36:30] | mmead: | xris: same thing here with xvmc for me |
| [18:36:37] | mchou: | xris: what deinterlace algo you tried using with xvmc? |
| [18:36:39] | mmead: | kormoc: hmm, via chipset (Asus A8V) |
| [18:36:43] | morbidi: | 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 |
| [18:36:59] | mchou: | mmead: what mobo chipset you got? |
| [18:37:00] | kormoc: | morbidi, interesting... care to pastebin your dmesg output? |
| [18:37:15] | mmead: | mchou: is there an easy way to tell? |
| [18:37:21] | mmead: | mchou: just know it's the via on the Asus A8V |
| [18:37:23] | mchou: | xris: you too. which mobo chipset you got? |
| [18:37:27] | Juski: | morbidi: are you running mythbackend btw? |
| [18:37:32] | mchou: | mmead: lspci tells all |
| [18:37:41] | mmead: | mchou: right, which via chip you want the # off? :) |
| [18:37:52] | mmead: | VIA Technologies, Inc. K8T800Pro Host Bridge |
| [18:37:53] | xris: | mchou: intel 945 |
| [18:38:05] | morbidi: | Juski: yes |
| [18:38:16] | mmead: | mchou: VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 |
| [18:38:16] | mmead: | South] |
| [18:38:19] | Juski: | morbidi: bingo! |
| [18:38:21] | mchou: | mmead, xris : hehe, there goes that theory |
| [18:38:32] | mmead: | lol |
| [18:38:35] | Juski: | morbidi: mythtv is probably already using /dev/vbi |
| [18:38:41] | kormoc: | worst part was xris used the same gpu as I did, it worked fine on the i865 but not the i845 |
| [18:38:47] | mchou: | mmead, xris : if you both had via I'd would had some useful suggestions |
| [18:38:51] | morbidi: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/665544 |
| [18:38:56] | Juski: | so shutdown mythbackend for a while, until you've done your freq. scan |
| [18:39:06] | morbidi: | Juski: ok I'll try |
| [18:39:12] | kormoc: | morbidi, yeah, what he said :) |
| [18:39:14] | mmead: | mchou: my system does *much* better when it is *recording* rather than watching live tv |
| [18:39:25] | mmead: | mchou: btw, I'm speaking only of .19/.19-fixes right now |
| [18:39:32] | mchou: | mmead: well, that part doesnt surprise me at all |
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| [18:39:45] | morbidi: | kormoc: Juski same prob |
| [18:39:48] | mmead: | mchou: if I'm watching live tv it is much glitchier than if I set the thing to record and then go watch the recording from the library simultaneously |
| [18:39:54] | mchou: | watching is a bitch to get the HW chain working right |
| [18:40:01] | ivor: | what cpu usage are you two seeing with xvmc? |
| [18:40:03] | Juski: | gerd knorr's application obviously uses vbi teletext data for the channel names |
| [18:40:11] | kormoc: | morbidi, ls -l /dev/v4l/vbi0 |
| [18:40:17] | mmead: | ivor: goes into the high 90s |
| [18:40:29] | mmead: | ivor: sw with linear blend (or none on 720p) is <70% |
| [18:40:29] | ivor: | well that explains your glitches. :) |
| [18:40:30] | morbidi: | kormoc: crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 224 Apr 17 15:03 /dev/v4l/vbi0 |
| [18:40:32] | mchou: | mmead: what deinterlace algo? |
| [18:40:41] | Juski: | morbidi: how many TV channels do you have anyway? I mean can you not just look up the frequencies for the channels yourself? |
| [18:40:41] | mmead: | mchou: bob on 1080i >92% |
| [18:40:49] | mmead: | mchou: lb on 1080i ~70% |
| [18:40:53] | kormoc: | morbidi, ln -s /dev/v4l/vbi0 /dev/vbi |
| [18:40:54] | morbidi: | Juski: a lot |
| [18:40:59] | mchou: | mmead: what a64 proc is this? |
| [18:41:08] | kormoc: | morbidi, then try your scan |
| [18:41:16] | mmead: | mchou: socket 939 athlon 64 3000+ (?) runs at 1800mhz |
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| [18:41:30] | mchou: | mmead: is that over/under clocked? |
| [18:41:36] | mmead: | mchou: normally clocked |
| [18:41:54] | Juski: | morbidi: or do scantv -C /dev/v4l/vbi0 |
| [18:41:54] | mmead: | mchou: I had it overclocked but kept getting invalid mpeg streams from my PVR-350 |
| [18:41:56] | morbidi: | kormoc: I think is kernel related |
| [18:42:01] | morbidi: | Juski: same |
| [18:42:02] | mchou: | mmead: weird |
| [18:42:26] | kormoc: | morbidi, you sure you are in the video group? |
| [18:42:31] | mchou: | mmead: cat /proc/interrupts (and lsmod) in pastebin pls :) |
| [18:42:36] | morbidi: | kormoc: I'm using root |
| [18:42:37] | mmead: | mchou: if I overclock and set the ram multiplier so the ram ends up a little under 400 (it's advertised speed) I get issues, so ram has to drop to 1x... think it's a ram issue |
| [18:42:41] | mmead: | mchou: ok |
| [18:43:14] | Juski: | morbidi: do you have any apps open which might be using the tv tuner? |
| [18:43:20] | kormoc: | morbidi, uhh.... that's just wacky. I'd recommend trying the vanilla-sources, as they tend to be less problematic then the gentoo sources |
| [18:43:35] | morbidi: | kormoc: I've been using the vanilla |
| [18:43:39] | mchou: | mmead, xris: so the same effect if you use xvmc with mplayer/xine? |
| [18:43:51] | kormoc: | <morbidi> 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 |
| [18:43:53] | morbidi: | I changed to gentoo sources trying to fix the prob |
| [18:43:53] | Juski: | morbidi: does xawtv work at all? |
| [18:43:56] | xris: | mchou: no clue |
| [18:43:57] | kormoc: | morbidi, ahh |
| [18:43:58] | mmead: | mchou: it has been too long since I tried xvmc with mplayer to tell you for sure |
| [18:44:02] | mmead: | mchou: I will try tonight |
| [18:44:06] | mchou: | xris: ahh, I remeber now. 6800 had some initial problems |
| [18:44:10] | morbidi: | Juski: nope |
| [18:44:29] | kormoc: | morbidi, you in the uk? |
| [18:44:30] | mmead: | mchou: http://pastebin.ca/49626 |
| [18:44:36] | morbidi: | just one thing |
| [18:44:36] | mchou: | in fact early 6800s were broken..... |
| [18:44:42] | morbidi: | if you do |
| [18:44:49] | morbidi: | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:input=1:norm=0 |
| [18:44:53] | morbidi: | what does appears ? |
| [18:44:57] | morbidi: | kormoc: portugal |
| [18:45:00] | mchou: | mmead: I know what your problem is :) |
| [18:45:01] | morbidi: | :| |
| [18:45:09] | kormoc: | morbidi, ahh, hence the odd tv tuner number. |
| [18:45:11] | mmead: | mchou: glad one of us does :) |
| [18:45:18] | morbidi: | kormoc: ? |
| [18:45:23] | morbidi: | in pastebin ? |
| [18:45:35] | kormoc: | morbidi, my pixelview pro used tuner #2 |
| [18:45:36] | mchou: | mmead: boot linux with noapic and your problems should go away |
| [18:45:41] | morbidi: | kormoc: what is you tvtuner number ? |
| [18:45:45] | mchou: | mmead: no joke |
| [18:45:46] | mmead: | mchou: kernel command line arg? |
| [18:45:49] | kormoc: | morbidi, aye, in pastebin yours is set to 38 |
| [18:45:51] | mchou: | mmead: yup |
| [18:45:58] | morbidi: | kormoc: oh, but I still don't know what tuner to use |
| [18:46:02] | mmead: | mchou: curious – why does that cause a problem? |
| [18:46:17] | mchou: | mmead: cause bad interrupt switching |
| [18:46:28] | mmead: | mchou: interesting |
| [18:46:41] | Juski: | morbidi: maybe the card type is wrong |
| [18:46:43] | kormoc: | morbidi, tuner 38 is Philips PAL/SECAM multi, which is likely right for that card |
| [18:46:43] | mmead: | mchou: that might explain why 1080i bob goes through the roof on cpu |
| [18:46:45] | mchou: | mmead: what is skge? |
| [18:46:59] | mmead: | mchou: marvell gigabit nic on board |
| [18:47:00] | xris: | mchou: it was the same with a 5800 I had. I just have bad luck |
| [18:47:16] | mchou: | xris: boot with noapic |
| [18:47:27] | mchou: | xris: at least give that a shot |
| [18:47:55] | mchou: | xris: might even try noapic nolapic |
| [18:47:57] | morbidi: | kormoc: it can be, but I still haven't got the thing solved :| |
| [18:48:02] | mmead: | mchou: thanks for the idea – I will definitely try it out later today |
| [18:48:07] | mmead: | mchou: should I try nolapic as well? |
| [18:48:09] | kormoc: | Juski, morbidi, card types 37, 50, 70, 72, and 138 all worked on my card, but 72 was the best quality |
| [18:48:24] | mchou: | mmead: if you want to. tey just noapic first |
| [18:48:25] | morbidi: | kormoc: I'm using that |
| [18:48:26] | xris: | mchou: the other thing I've noticed is that the OSD is black and white with xvmc |
| [18:48:28] | mchou: | try* |
| [18:48:32] | mmead: | mchou: cool |
| [18:48:38] | mchou: | xris: that's normal :) |
| [18:48:45] | xris: | heh |
| [18:48:49] | kormoc: | xris, didn't they fix that in 0.19? |
| [18:48:52] | laga: | http://digg.com/linux_unix/MythTV_-_Over_3,00 . . . han_2_years_ – might be worth a digg, huh? :) |
| [18:48:54] | xris: | kormoc: not for me |
| [18:49:11] | mmead: | xris: what gpu? |
| [18:49:18] | ivor: | xris: if you use the chromakey osd then you can get colour. |
| [18:49:27] | mmead: | ivor: that's where I was going :) |
| [18:49:31] | morbidi: | kormoc: I used ubuntu livecd installed xawtv and scantv workd fine, but didn't scan any channel, the card number was 0 |
| [18:49:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc, xris: Not for me either... the ticket is for .20 , but I heard here today that it should work with .19... |
| [18:49:34] | mmead: | can't do it with a 6xxx card, though |
| [18:49:40] | ivor: | alternatively... I need to update my xvmc osd patch – again. |
| [18:49:41] | xris: | mmead: 6800gt |
| [18:49:50] | Juski: | wtf? "has anyone made mythtv working fast with xgl?" |
| [18:49:56] | kormoc: | morbidi, 0 is autodetect |
| [18:49:59] | mmead: | I find I have a *lot* of glitching when the OSD goes to fade out, so I comment that out in my osd.xml files |
| [18:49:59] | laga: | Juski: i saw that, too. i'm about to reply. |
| [18:50:10] | morbidi: | kormoc: yes |
| [18:50:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | ivor: forgive me if this is a stupid question, how do I enable chromakey osd? |
| [18:50:52] | kormoc: | morbidi, might want to give that a try, have it autodetect |
| [18:51:01] | morbidi: | kormoc: k |
| [18:51:11] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: I think it's documented here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC |
| [18:51:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead, ivor: thanks. I'll take a look at it. |
| [18:51:30] | morbidi: | nope |
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| [18:53:06] | liran_: | can anyone tell me how do i populate the XMLTV.XML file i have to the database so i can see it in the program guide? |
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| [18:53:18] | kormoc: | morbidi, you sure this card is good? |
| [18:53:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead, ivor: Humm... me thinks I have a 6500 in that frontend now — looks like I've got to 'downgrade' to a 5xxx to get this to work. |
| [18:53:41] | morbidi: | kormoc: I booted the ubuntu livecd to find that out |
| [18:53:59] | morbidi: | but the scantv worked fine, so I'm missing somehting |
| [18:54:03] | kormoc: | morbidi, right, but the ubuntu live cd still couldn't find any channels, right? |
| [18:54:04] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: my 5200 won't keep up, so I put the 6200 in and left my gaming rig a lame-old 800x600 set for now |
| [18:54:08] | jonK: | ok, so i've installed x-window-core, msttfonts, gdm, and xfce anything else I'll need out of the gate? |
| [18:54:20] | morbidi: | kormoc: true, but I couldn't unload the module |
| [18:54:54] | mmead: | mchou: do you use an HD card? |
| [18:55:45] | morbidi: | kormoc: what distro were you using ? |
| [18:55:54] | kormoc: | morbidi, gentoo |
| [18:56:20] | morbidi: | did you have bt878 has a module ? |
| [18:56:30] | morbidi: | what kernel were you using ? |
| [18:56:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead: I'll have to experiment... That frontend is a 1GHz PIII with a GF6500 – using XVMC and running at 1280x1024, it will play 1080i with a slight audio stutertle here and there. When I had it at 800x600, it was too much work down-scaling, and would stutter tremendously... |
| [18:56:37] | morbidi: | 2.6.11 ? |
| [18:56:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | *stutter... |
| [18:56:49] | kormoc: | morbidi, vanilla source 2.6.x, and yeah, bttv was all modular |
| [18:57:03] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: interesting... I am running at 800x600 downscale since that is my projector's native resolution |
| [18:57:10] | morbidi: | I've heard that people using that kernel suceded but with 2.6.15 didn't |
| [18:57:15] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: a 1080p projector is a *little* out of my price range |
| [18:57:25] | mchou: | mmead: yeah |
| [18:57:26] | morbidi: | I tryed a older kernel but still no go |
| [18:57:34] | mchou: | mmead: FushionHDTV |
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| [18:57:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead: I don't have a 1080p projector... I'm using it on a 21" monitor in my bedroom... ;-) |
| [18:57:40] | kormoc: | morbidi, that could be, as they did rewrite a lot of stuff inbetween 2.6.14 and .15. I still don't use .15 on my mythbox |
| [18:57:44] | mchou: | mmead: also firewire to STB |
| [18:57:50] | kormoc: | morbidi, try a 2.4.x kernel? |
| [18:57:57] | mmead: | mchou: I think some of my livetv issues are because I went cheap and bought a clearance gen1 air2pc off ebay |
| [18:57:59] | mchou: | mmead: I count that as HDTV |
| [18:58:06] | mchou: | mmead: nah |
| [18:58:06] | morbidi: | kormoc: nah, gonna try 2.6.13 |
| [18:58:08] | mmead: | mchou: I have an airstar hd5000 coming this week |
| [18:58:11] | morbidi: | or something like that |
| [18:58:13] | mmead: | mchou: hopefully it will pull QAM |
| [18:58:25] | mmead: | mchou: does a generic ieee1394 card work with the STB? |
| [18:58:30] | mchou: | mmead: you pull HDTV card you still would have livetv problems :) |
| [18:58:37] | mmead: | mchou: heh |
| [18:58:38] | mchou: | mmead: yup |
| [18:58:58] | mchou: | mmead: make sure you get 6–6 cable though |
| [18:59:10] | mmead: | mchou: I have a spare 1394 card sitting around, maybe I will get the $5/month hdtv option from my cable provider and pull the local HD from there as a second tuner |
| [18:59:15] | mmead: | mchou: 6–6? |
| [18:59:16] | mchou: | I used a 4–6 cable and didnt know what was up :) |
| [18:59:21] | mmead: | mchou: oh |
| [18:59:24] | mmead: | mchou: gotcha |
| [18:59:51] | mmead: | mchou: what cable provider? |
| [18:59:53] | mchou: | mmead: yeah, I highly recommend STB |
| [19:00:01] | mchou: | comquat |
| [19:00:08] | mmead: | mchou: where? |
| [19:00:10] | morbidi: | kormoc: thanks :) |
| [19:00:15] | mchou: | mmead: CA |
| [19:00:19] | mmead: | mchou: I have comcast in VA |
| [19:00:29] | mmead: | mchou: hopefully if I do it they actually have the channels in the clear |
| [19:00:31] | mchou: | mmead: yeah, go pick up STB |
| [19:00:45] | kormoc: | morbidi, you're welcome, I do hope you get it working :) |
| [19:00:46] | mmead: | mchou: otherwise I get to fight with them about the FCC directive saying they have to provide it |
| [19:00:48] | mchou: | mmead: you have nothing to lose by trying |
| [19:00:58] | mmead: | mchou: how do you change channels on the STB? |
| [19:01:07] | mchou: | return box if they dont provide clear, out $5 |
| [19:01:20] | mchou: | mmead: over 1394 |
| [19:01:29] | mmead: | mchou: myth wraps that all up? |
| [19:01:36] | mchou: | mmead: yup |
| [19:01:46] | mmead: | mchou: does anything but local HD come through? |
| [19:02:03] | mchou: | I only subscribe to limited basic :) |
| [19:02:09] | mmead: | so no :) |
| [19:02:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | While we're on the 1394 subject... The Dish network HD receivers have 1394 — is it 'clear', or encrypted? If it's clear, is anybody using it with Myth yet? |
| [19:02:19] | mchou: | but DiscoveryHD comes over svideo :) |
| [19:02:32] | mmead: | mchou: do you capture using a capture card? |
| [19:02:39] | mchou: | so does ESPN HD |
| [19:02:48] | mmead: | mchou: my issue is it is not trivial for me to hook up more than the computer to the PJ for HD delivery |
| [19:03:03] | mchou: | mmead: only for conflicts mostly |
| [19:03:05] | mmead: | mchou: so I naturally want it all to run through there, though I may be able to get a vga switch box to handle it |
| [19:03:45] | mmead: | mchou: so you pull svideo/audio to an analog cap card and hd over fw from the same STB? |
| [19:04:12] | jonK: | df -h |
| [19:04:20] | mchou: | mmead: yeah, for ESPNHD and DiscoveryHD :) |
| [19:04:21] | jonK: | crap.. wrong place |
| [19:04:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonK: hehe... I do that from time to time too... ;-) |
| [19:05:06] | mmead: | mchou: so you can get ESPNHD and DiscoveryHD from the STB over fw? |
| [19:05:44] | mchou: | no. that's HDCP for me |
| [19:05:56] | mmead: | mchou: that's something I'm definitely interested in |
| [19:06:00] | mmead: | mchou: doh |
| [19:06:08] | mmead: | mchou: that's alright, it will be cracked soon enough |
| [19:06:13] | mchou: | but over SVID looks just as good, cause they downscale from the digital source |
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| [19:06:18] | mmead: | mchou: hmm |
| [19:06:22] | mmead: | mchou: is your display svid? |
| [19:06:27] | mmead: | mchou: or HD? |
| [19:06:30] | mchou: | no, HDTV |
| [19:06:40] | mmead: | mchou: ahh |
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| [19:06:47] | mmead: | mchou: interesting |
| [19:06:48] | mmead: | mchou: thanks |
| [19:07:01] | mchou: | "as good" is of course a relative term :) |
| [19:07:06] | mmead: | yes |
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| [19:07:27] | mchou: | but it's not normal crappy svid from analog |
| [19:07:47] | mmead: | right... should be clean, though de-resed |
| [19:07:47] | mchou: | if you get my meaning |
| [19:07:54] | mmead: | completely |
| [19:07:57] | mchou: | yup. You got it |
| [19:08:15] | mmead: | it's why I prefer HD SD content over the analog cap over cable of the same channels |
| [19:08:22] | mmead: | as long as error correction works, it's a much better signal |
| [19:08:34] | mchou: | mmead: exactly |
| [19:09:07] | mmead: | no ivtv settings to mess up the brightness, contrast, etc. :) |
| [19:09:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead: I can't even watch 'analog' over-the-air tv anymore... After having Sattelite for 8 years... |
| [19:09:31] | mchou: | and considering I havent paid to get ESPNHD/DiscoveryHD, that's a bonus for $5 :) |
| [19:09:46] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: I was a DISH subscriber for a number of years... honestly, I only watch mythbusters, a nova, frontline, F1 racing, college football, and 24 :) |
| [19:09:55] | mmead: | mchou: yes, definitely |
| [19:10:11] | mmead: | mchou: ok, set to boot noapic next time – will try it this evening |
| [19:10:35] | mmead: | mchou: next I need to figure out why my mac mini duo core cannot keep up with abc's 1080i, but can keep up with cbs's 1080i |
| [19:10:53] | mchou: | mmead: haha!! |
| [19:11:11] | mmead: | mchou: it uses usleep with busy wait on the mac, might be part of it |
| [19:11:22] | mchou: | mmead: I'm surprised a mac can keep up 1080i AT ALL :) |
| [19:11:24] | mmead: | mchou: though mplayer on same stream says "your computer is too slow to play this" |
| [19:11:35] | mmead: | mchou: the new intel macs are pretty quick |
| [19:11:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead: What resolution are you running? I found on my PIII 1Ghz frontend I had to raise the resolution so it didn't have to scale the HD *down*... |
| [19:11:57] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: on my mythfrontend/backend box 800x600 |
| [19:12:00] | mchou: | mmead: try xine. I find it better than mplayer hen it comes to HD |
| [19:12:03] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: on the mac intel, 1280x1024 |
| [19:12:06] | mchou: | when* |
| [19:12:13] | mmead: | mchou: will try |
| [19:12:24] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: I could try 1600x1200 on the mac intel |
| [19:12:34] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: much less scaling on 1080i |
| [19:12:56] | mmead: | part of it may be no XV support on the mac |
| [19:13:10] | mmead: | I thought about installing linux on there to see what happens |
| [19:13:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead,mchou: That's what I'm running – 1280x1024, and with a GF6500 and XVMC, I just barely get by with a 1Ghz PIII... ;-) (I love free, recycled hardware!) |
| [19:13:45] | mchou: | mmead: oh, if you use ieee make sure you use latest kernel 2.6.16+ |
| [19:13:52] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: that's pretty cool – I had people doubting that I could play 1080i on an athlon xp 1733mhz, but back in .18.1 when xvmc worked I had it working perfectly on my fx5200 |
| [19:13:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead, mchou: Humm... I'll have to see if my 21" monitor does 1600x1200... maybe that will help too... |
| [19:14:04] | mmead: | mchou: doh, I'm on .15 now... thanks for the tip |
| [19:14:09] | mchou: | mmead: otherwise channel switching wont be reliable |
| [19:14:58] | mmead: | mchou: so myth provides a way to "combine" an fw card with the analog cap card into a single tuner that uses a STB? |
| [19:15:27] | mchou: | mmead: not reall. but it's easy enough to set up :) |
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| [19:15:33] | mchou: | really* |
| [19:15:42] | mmead: | I'm sure I'll have to ask how at some point |
| [19:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | mmead: Actually, one thing that helps is that the 1Ghz machine is only a frontend... not a combined frontend/backend. The backend is a dual PIII 866 in the basement. |
| [19:15:47] | Traxtopel: | anyone know how to get the channel editor to save changes? |
| [19:15:53] | mmead: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, that helps |
| [19:16:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Traxtopel: You have to select the 'Finish' button IIRC (if using mythtvsetup), or in mythweb scroll down to the bottom and click the 'save' button... (From memory, but you get the idea) |
| [19:17:22] | Traxtopel: | I see no finish in mythtvsetup, let me check mythweb |
| [19:18:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Traxtopel: If you can't see the 'finish' button, I think pressing 'Enter' will select it by default. (I think it's partially off the screen on a couple of my systems, and I haven't troubleshot why.) If you press "ESC", it loses the changes... |
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| [19:18:47] | Traxtopel: | checking |
| [19:19:44] | mmead: | has anyone done work to build a listings provider by screen scraping (or getting the backend data) behind tv.yahoo.com or similar? |
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| [19:19:54] | Traxtopel: | if I hit tab after transport editor, it goes to channels(new channel) |
| [19:19:55] | Traxtopel: | odd |
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| [19:20:35] | chinamill: | Hello alex_joni |
| [19:20:55] | ivor_ is now known as ivor | |
| [19:20:58] | chinamill: | We were discussing how to solve the THC issue |
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| [19:21:10] | laga: | uh, put the pipe down? |
| [19:21:13] | ** laga runs ** | |
| [19:21:51] | chinamill: | I made a wiki page at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Torch_Height_Control will you have a look? |
| [19:22:28] | laga: | chinamill: you don't happen to be typing into the wring window, do you? |
| [19:22:40] | kormoc: | laga, I would imagine he is |
| [19:22:46] | chinamill: | sorry |
| [19:22:55] | laga: | chinamill: no, keep talking, it's interesting :) |
| [19:23:10] | chinamill: | :) |
| [19:23:24] | chinamill: | why not join #emc ;) |
| [19:23:32] | laga: | hehe ;) |
| [19:23:33] | kormoc: | emc is? |
| [19:23:37] | laga: | maybe later, gotta go now ;) |
| [19:23:39] | laga: | cya guys |
| [19:23:47] | kormoc: | laters laga |
| [19:23:50] | scopeuk: | plasma tourch = fun |
| [19:23:54] | chinamill: | enhanced machine controller |
| [19:23:58] | kormoc: | ahh, nifty |
| [19:24:37] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [19:24:51] | scopeuk: | tri axis plasma arc cnc? |
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| [19:25:34] | scopeuk: | ho longs jsutwilliam been here? |
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| [19:27:35] | scopeuk: | hi JustWilliam |
| [19:27:44] | Juski: | speak his name & he will come, eh, scopeuk.... |
| [19:27:49] | JustWilliam: | hi |
| [19:28:09] | scopeuk: | Juski technicaly i know him lol |
| [19:28:16] | mmead: | anyone know off the top of their head where the good roundup of HDTV tuner cards is? I remember seeing a detailed comparison chart including data on which would do hardware stream filtering, but can't seem to find it again |
| [19:28:44] | Juski: | oo you don't want hardware stream filtering, not when whole mux recording comes along |
| [19:28:58] | meushi: | when? when? when? :) |
| [19:29:19] | Juski: | when someone codes for it :-P |
| [19:29:24] | meushi: | heh |
| [19:29:38] | Juski: | been a bit of ML traffic about it lately, so maybe sooner rather than later ;-) |
| [19:29:40] | mmead: | Juski: yeah |
| [19:29:49] | mmead: | Juski: saw that, about the "virtual" tuners bit |
| [19:30:18] | mmead: | Juski: my next feat is to get analog 5.1 output going |
| [19:30:22] | Juski: | mmead: you don't really need that stuff – the stream filtering. HDTV recording doesn't take much CPU as it is |
| [19:30:41] | meushi: | would simplify my life... currently using vdr for dvb and myth for analog since vdr supports full mux dump |
| [19:30:57] | laga: | meushi: dalibox? ;))) |
| [19:31:08] | meushi: | laga: two boxen |
| [19:31:19] | mmead: | Juski: my receiver is old enough to not have an AC3 decoder in-built |
| [19:31:25] | Juski: | meushi: just get more tuners, man. oh wait – 'modern' motherboards tend to have like um.. 2 PCI slots these days |
| [19:31:37] | mmead: | Juski: don't you hate that |
| [19:31:48] | meushi: | Juski: I was able to get a 5 PCI slots mobo last month |
| [19:32:02] | mmead: | as long as you're ok with AGP, the A8V is a nice board |
| [19:32:14] | Juski: | mmead: it's gone absolutely stupid... I mean I don't give a flying fuck how many graphics cards I can stuff into one box |
| [19:32:25] | mmead: | Juski: yep |
| [19:32:32] | ivor: | heh. :) |
| [19:32:46] | Juski: | but man, look at the FPS!!!! |
| [19:32:53] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [19:33:01] | mmead: | look at the FPS you can't see because your monitor refresh is 1/3 your fps |
| [19:33:07] | Juski: | fucktards |
| [19:33:07] | ivor: | ah but you could put multiple GPU's in and use them as vector co-pro's |
| [19:33:23] | meushi: | Juski: +5: Realistic :) |
| [19:34:13] | Juski: | I'm not just bitter because I no longer have $$$$ to throw at expensive hardware that'll be quarter of the price I paid for it in 12 months either |
| [19:34:35] | meushi: | 12 months? 2 months! |
| [19:34:51] | meushi: | I'm no longer buying high end either |
| [19:35:11] | Juski: | I'm actually waiting for FX5200 cards to come below £25 |
| [19:35:32] | mmead: | Juski: let me know if you find one that handles 1920x1080 -> 800x600 on the default xv port :) |
| [19:35:52] | ivor: | if I can get the deltachrome driver working that's a bargain. |
| [19:35:57] | meushi: | hmm... going to need to new dumbbox soon |
| [19:36:06] | mmead: | I haven't bought high-end in ages. Usually buy 6–12 months out, it is hella cheap at that point |
| [19:36:08] | laga: | ivor: any news on deltachrome hardware? |
| [19:36:21] | ivor: | well you can get the S8's for ..... drum rolll.... |
| [19:36:26] | ivor: | £15 |
| [19:36:27] | laga: | ivor: 150$? |
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| [19:36:31] | laga: | oh, really? |
| [19:36:36] | Juski: | deltachrome.. unichrome for mortals, eh? |
| [19:36:37] | laga: | ivor: how's the tv-out? xvmc? |
| [19:36:42] | ivor: | yup. but haven't managed to get one working yet. |
| [19:36:48] | laga: | ivor: nice :) |
| [19:36:53] | ivor: | hdtv, and component out. |
| [19:37:01] | ivor: | the specs are pretty good. |
| [19:37:04] | Juski: | hdcp? :-P |
| [19:37:15] | laga: | quite a good price. i've seen them for ¤150, though. but that was before cebit |
| [19:37:51] | ivor: | laga: that's probably the newer deltachrome S27 then. |
| [19:37:58] | Juski: | oxygen labs are involved? niiiice |
| [19:38:04] | laga: | ivor: yeah, likely. but i only need good xvmc & tv-out :) |
| [19:38:31] | ivor: | just need to figure out how the hell to get a picture out of it. |
| [19:39:05] | laga: | hehe |
| [19:39:12] | ** laga needs to finish his vga2rgb converter, too ** | |
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| [19:41:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: vga2rgb or vga2hdtv? |
| [19:42:26] | Juski: | J-e-f-f-A: he's gone done the sync converter circuit & is gonna use a modeline to do the magic |
| [19:42:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Juski, laga: Ok, to get the sync-on-green or composite sync, right? |
| [19:43:29] | Juski: | J-e-f-f-A: the latter.. simple transistor circuit |
| [19:44:20] | laga: | thanks for answering, i was struggling with my hair ;) |
| [19:45:22] | Juski: | time for some more telly I think |
| [19:45:33] | ** Juski goes to unwind some more ** | |
| [19:45:52] | ivor: | yay figured out why nfs over wireless wasn't working. |
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| [19:52:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | ivor: Why? I think I might have the same issue with Samba over wireless... |
| [19:52:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | *ie — what was it? |
| [19:54:39] | ivor: | J-e-f-f-A: oh had to set: "rsize=1024" on the client otherwise any large transfer locks up. |
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| [19:54:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | ivor: My 'Network Media Player' works great on a hard-wired lan, but on Wireless it doesn't seem to want to play the video. (all the menus and such work, which are php...) |
| [19:55:12] | ivor: | jesusfish: i.e. that solution is specific to nfs. |
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| [19:55:20] | sean33: | hi |
| [19:55:27] | Rigolo: | question: how much bandwith does a single PVR-500 take on the PCI bus? |
| [19:55:27] | sean33: | back again :) |
| [19:55:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | ivor: Humm... I don't know if I can do that with my MP... I'll have to look into that. |
| [19:55:57] | jonK: | well, I've installed all i dare to remotely, I'd like to see what all the work of this apt-getting has done... |
| [19:56:05] | sean33: | Rigolo would that not depend on the bit rate of compression ? |
| [19:56:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rigolo: I dunno, but mine is happily co-existing with a PVR-250 and an HD3000 on a Dual-PIII 866 backend with no issues whatsoever... (with all recording at once) |
| [19:56:46] | ivor: | J-e-f-f-A: there's a similar number of tuning options for samba though so it might be worth a hunt. |
| [19:57:02] | scopeuk: | where do you guys get these dual p2 boexen i wants one :D |
| [19:57:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | ivor: thanks! ;-) |
| [19:57:10] | Rigolo: | okee, so 2 or 3 could fit in one PC? |
| [19:57:15] | meushi: | scopeuk: fleabay |
| [19:57:23] | scopeuk: | hmm |
| [19:57:25] | jonK: | rigally, I have 2 pvr-500's and a 350 running |
| [19:57:29] | ivor: | I think I did: google:"nfs transfer atheros hang" :) |
| [19:57:30] | kormoc: | Rigolo, likely, but depends on the mobo |
| [19:57:46] | sean33: | pvr-500 has a hardware mpeg encoder so one only needs to look at the mpeg file that it makes and compare that to the available bandwith of PCI I would recon you could have 3 or 4 recording before the PCI buss is at saturation |
| [19:57:46] | jonK: | and I have a mobo issue with a via kt266 chipset - |
| [19:57:49] | meushi: | scopeuk: but decent dual P3 mobos are expensive |
| [19:57:53] | jonK: | can only use three of the pvr 500 tuners |
| [19:58:04] | kormoc: | scopeuk, I got a dual p3 box from work, but I sold it awhile ago, ebay has a ton tho |
| [19:58:14] | jonK: | hopefully the new gigabyte board with nvidia chipset will fix |
| [19:58:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk: I got two single-cpu-equipped, dual-cpu-capable "Compaq Professional Workstations" they were throwing out at work, and the cpus were the same stepping, so I spent $35 on the voltage regulator for the 2nd cpu, and voila! I had a pretty quick dual-processor system for my new backend! |
| [19:58:36] | scopeuk: | kormac i know a little baout p2's i have afriend with a collection of the dman things and p3 to p2 adaptos |
| [19:58:53] | kormoc: | meushi, ooh? They tend to go for under $100 with two procs around here |
| [19:59:03] | meushi: | kormoc: tuluatin ones? |
| [19:59:14] | ** sean33 cringes intel ewww ** | |
| [19:59:15] | kormoc: | meushi, beleive so |
| [19:59:34] | meushi: | kormoc: oh wow... prices dropped in 6 months then... need to get one or two :p |
| [19:59:37] | scopeuk: | sean33 the early ones were nice back when the big a couldent touch em |
| [19:59:51] | sean33: | lol |
| [20:00:29] | ** sean33 is a AMD partner so kinda bias ** | |
| [20:00:39] | scopeuk: | i prefer amd in the current gen |
| [20:00:48] | scopeuk: | but for a cheep dual proc p2 is hard to beat |
| [20:00:48] | sean33: | i dont have an intel hat |
| [20:00:51] | meushi: | sean33: give me intel smp over amd smp any day... I fried all my MPs |
| [20:00:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | The only problem with this system (the dual PIII 866) is that it uses Rambus ram, and it's darn expensive! (Running with just 512mb now, but ok since it's a backend only) |
| [20:01:10] | scopeuk: | yeh rambus is a pain |
| [20:01:42] | scopeuk: | im thinking of upratignthe celeron in my backend iver seen 733s go for £15 at the local comptuer fair |
| [20:01:47] | kormoc: | sean33, I have a intel hat somewhere... and a intel lava lamp... and a intel shirt... and a intel light up pen that blinks :P |
| [20:02:16] | scopeuk: | i dotn have a hat |
| [20:02:19] | scopeuk: | :-( |
| [20:02:25] | scopeuk: | where do i ordermy hat |
| [20:02:29] | scopeuk: | ;-) |
| [20:02:42] | kormoc: | mine was swag from linux world I beleive |
| [20:03:05] | scopeuk: | nice |
| [20:03:14] | JustWilliam: | do i need a good graphics card for a mythbox |
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| [20:03:26] | scopeuk: | now all i nee to do is figure out long range aqaplaning and get a driving license |
| [20:03:44] | sean33: | im not even going to enter into this argument on the better CPU ... i have the AMD coffie CUP , T-shirt , Baseball Cap , Screwdriver, Notebook , USB Pendrive, CD travel case, Opteron thermal Cup and a few other things |
| [20:03:45] | kormoc: | JustWilliam, not overly good no, a nvidia 5200 is perfect for SD tv, and a nvidia 6200 is great for HDTV |
| [20:03:55] | JustWilliam: | k |
| [20:04:19] | JustWilliam: | so a integrated one graphics card is no good |
| [20:04:37] | kormoc: | JustWilliam, it will work, just not as well |
| [20:04:42] | JustWilliam: | k |
| [20:04:44] | jonK: | sean33 the new backend I'm building uses an amd62 x2 |
| [20:04:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | amd62x2? new cpu? ;-) |
| [20:05:01] | scopeuk: | jonk must be nice to have money to burn |
| [20:05:03] | kormoc: | they're just so costly |
| [20:05:17] | kormoc: | I'm really impressed at how much the x2 costs over intel's offerings. |
| [20:05:40] | scopeuk: | its the fx60 that shocks me |
| [20:05:45] | sean33: | anyways i was wondering is there a linux app to render process for sony Vegas |
| [20:06:01] | JustWilliam: | does any body use a barebone system such as a shuttle |
| [20:06:03] | sean33: | konk u mean amd64 not 62 |
| [20:06:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [20:06:14] | jonK: | I use one, but not for mythtv |
| [20:06:16] | sean33: | jonk |
| [20:06:19] | jonK: | yes? |
| [20:06:24] | sean33: | :P |
| [20:06:41] | kormoc: | JustWilliam, i use one for myth, aye |
| [20:06:51] | jonK: | it would make a poor backend |
| [20:07:15] | kormoc: | jonK, ooh? |
| [20:07:17] | sean33: | i have a just finished building a 16core server for one of my customers 2.6ghz dualcore * 8 with 16Gb RAM |
| [20:07:40] | sean33: | very dam fast |
| [20:07:43] | JustWilliam: | what type is it |
| [20:07:49] | jonK: | well, only one pci slot for expansion cards |
| [20:08:00] | jonK: | and no room for lots of drives |
| [20:08:04] | kormoc: | JustWilliam, I used a skyhawk, but any one will work fine |
| [20:08:23] | JustWilliam: | k |
| [20:08:44] | kormoc: | jonK, meh. Plenty of room for drives (mine can hold 3), and I'm more likely to go with firewire in the near future and not need any tuner at all. |
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| [20:08:52] | JustWilliam: | is there plenty of room for a graphics card and tuner card |
| [20:08:59] | kormoc: | depends on the case |
| [20:09:25] | sean33: | anyways Sony Vegas has an option to render with networked computers is there a server app for linux ? |
| [20:09:30] | kormoc: | you'll need a low profile graphics card, but yeah, you can squeeze them in |
| [20:09:45] | kormoc: | sean33, chcek google? |
| [20:09:54] | sean33: | yea i am |
| [20:10:13] | sean33: | havent found anything yet |
| [20:10:55] | mchou: | sean33: not really for linux vegas |
| [20:11:15] | mchou: | sean33: unless you go into one of those render farms :) |
| [20:11:21] | jonK: | room for "a" tuner card -- |
| [20:11:34] | jonK: | I have 4 |
| [20:11:58] | mchou: | jonK: so is your new comp up and running with new mem? |
| [20:12:43] | kormoc: | heh, sure, but most people likely never need more then a 500, if that |
| [20:12:57] | jonK: | not new mem, just the one of two, but have installed ubuntu breezy — then built a new kernel to use smp |
| [20:13:06] | jonK: | and have started instaling everything else |
| [20:13:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonK: There's always USB tuners... I don't have any personal experience with them though... |
| [20:13:47] | jonK: | we'll see if I have a working X window system when I get home |
| [20:13:57] | mchou: | jonK: heh |
| [20:13:58] | jonK: | right now all the tuner cards still in the old box |
| [20:14:21] | jonK: | mchou: I used the ubuntu "server" install option, which I've never done before |
| [20:14:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I've 3 Dish receivers feeding into a PVR-500 and PVR-250 ;-) Ya gotta be able to record and watch more than 2 things at once! ;-) |
| [20:14:54] | mchou: | jonK: so that's no X, right? :) |
| [20:15:01] | jonK: | that's no nothing |
| [20:15:24] | mchou: | jonK: server option is console only, right? |
| [20:15:41] | jonK: | meaning once installed? |
| [20:15:47] | mchou: | jonK: yeah |
| [20:15:49] | jonK: | yes |
| [20:16:12] | jonK: | and nothing else is there, not even commom utils (links, screen, nmap, etc...) |
| [20:16:29] | mchou: | jonK: heh |
| [20:16:54] | jonK: | let alone ssh, apache, mysql, X, etc... |
| [20:17:09] | mchou: | jonK: so what's the pirpose of this X2 then? :) |
| [20:17:16] | jonK: | backend |
| [20:17:18] | mchou: | purpose* |
| [20:17:24] | jonK: | and frontend |
| [20:17:30] | jonK: | and web server |
| [20:17:37] | mchou: | I thought you said it didnt have enough slots..... |
| [20:17:51] | jonK: | no i said the shuttle cases didn;t have enough slots |
| [20:17:58] | mchou: | oh, ok |
| [20:18:17] | jonK: | and mines as noisy as a hair dryer |
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| [20:18:34] | mchou: | jonK: yeah, doesnt surprise me |
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| [20:18:51] | mchou: | but the new X2 will be dead quiet |
| [20:18:55] | Dug02: | how do I turn on the sdpif out on fc5 for the intel ac97 onboard soundcard (asus p4p800)? |
| [20:18:58] | jonK: | it seems to be |
| [20:19:09] | jonK: | wonder how loud once all three Hd's installed |
| [20:19:15] | sean33: | anyone heard of cinelerra ... any good ? |
| [20:19:26] | mchou: | jonK: that depends on your case :) |
| [20:19:46] | kormoc: | jonK, if your fans are that loud, you won't hear the drives... |
| [20:20:03] | mchou: | sean33: i dont think there are any oss apps that compare to Vegas in linux |
| [20:20:27] | scopeuk: | mchou he wants to use linux boxes a nodes for vages |
| [20:20:30] | mchou: | sean33: but there is linux Vegas |
| [20:20:46] | sean33: | oow |
| [20:21:40] | scopeuk: | or wine |
| [20:21:59] | sean33: | linux Vegas sounds interesting |
| [20:25:33] | Dug02: | how do I enable spdif out on fc5? |
| [20:26:21] | Rigolo: | looking at the specs a single tuner on the PVR-500 can output 12Mbit/s MPEG2 so in theory you can have 11 (11 * 12Mbit = 132Mbit and PCI bus max is 133Mbit/s) tuners on a single PCI bus with nothing else running on the PCI bus |
| [20:26:23] | Dug02: | i am using the onboard realtek card for the Asus p4p800... I cannot seem to find the setting or a faq that explains how this can be done |
| [20:27:03] | Rigolo: | So 3 PVR-500 ( 6 tuners * 12Mbit = 72 Mbit) should work |
| [20:28:18] | Rigolo: | using a new motherboard where the PCI bus is not havily used because most in included in the chipset or on a PCI-e bus should be fine |
| [20:29:06] | mchou: | Rigolo: umm, why would you want to do this? |
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| [20:29:15] | a1fa: | hey hey hey |
| [20:29:20] | a1fa: | think about this |
| [20:29:40] | a1fa: | mythweb should have "podcast" option, so you can download your stuff into ipod |
| [20:29:44] | a1fa: | and watch it on the run |
| [20:29:44] | a1fa: | :P |
| [20:29:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dug02: Perhaps in the 'Control Center', 'Sound & Multimedia', 'Sound System' , 'Hardware' tab? (Although the system I'm on now doesn't have spdif output, so I'm not able to check — but it's somewhere to look anyways...) |
| [20:30:03] | Rigolo: | mchou: move all TV watching in the house to IP instead of running COAX all over the place |
| [20:30:06] | kormoc: | a1fa, you mean like the nuvexport ipod export option? |
| [20:30:17] | a1fa: | kormoc : mp4 |
| [20:30:29] | mchou: | Rigolo: no, I mean use analog capture in the first place :) |
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| [20:30:50] | Deathwish`: | hmm |
| [20:30:55] | a1fa: | kormoc : encode into mp4 and make a file a bit smaller (resolution wise), and have it do it on a fly — "podcast" option on every stream |
| [20:31:00] | Rigolo: | mchou: that is because digital tv here is "backwards" |
| [20:31:06] | Deathwish`: | well, I wont be running short of EPG data anytime soon |
| [20:31:07] | Deathwish`: | There's guide data until 2026-10–31 14:00 (7502 days). |
| [20:31:09] | Deathwish`: | ;D |
| [20:31:12] | kormoc: | a1fa, that's not really podcasting... |
| [20:31:17] | mchou: | Rigolo: backwards? |
| [20:31:24] | a1fa: | kormoc : well, its sort of |
| [20:31:38] | Rigolo: | all DVB-T here is scrambled and DVB-C only works on cable company santioned hardware |
| [20:31:41] | a1fa: | having it smaller in size, ready to download to a portable video player |
| [20:31:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Deathwish` humm... is your clock set right?!? |
| [20:31:46] | Deathwish`: | aye |
| [20:31:51] | Deathwish`: | just flipped out o_O |
| [20:31:54] | mchou: | Rigolo: ahh, too bad. |
| [20:31:56] | kormoc: | a1fa, but nuvexport can do the same thing, batch mode already... |
| [20:32:10] | Deathwish`: | root@mythtv:/home/mythtv# date |
| [20:32:10] | Deathwish`: | Mon Apr 17 21:31:56 BST 2006 |
| [20:32:12] | a1fa: | kormoc : right, you need to set a batch manually |
| [20:32:13] | Rigolo: | DVB-S might be an option but my house is positioned in such a way that placing a dish is difficult |
| [20:32:28] | Dug02: | J-e-f-f-A: I have looked in all of those places... my sound card is identified... I have installed the alsa utils and mixer and nothing tells me where the SDPIF out is enabled |
| [20:32:36] | kormoc: | a1fa, so? you rather download them one at a time rather then all at once? |
| [20:32:46] | Rigolo: | and than with DVB-S you need to have cards with a CI option and those are also not very cheap |
| [20:33:02] | a1fa: | kormoc : yes |
| [20:33:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dug02 – See if the 'mixer' has any 'advanced' tabs or buttons – it may be 'buried' in there somewhere. |
| [20:33:13] | a1fa: | i maybe dont want to watch something |
| [20:33:28] | kormoc: | a1fa, so even if it takes 4 hours for a 30 minute show to download to your ipod, you'd wait so you can start the second one? |
| [20:33:37] | a1fa: | why would it take 4h |
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| [20:33:51] | Rigolo: | 3 PVR-500 would give me enough "room" for everybody here in the house |
| [20:33:59] | kormoc: | a1fa, reencoding is slow, some slower boxes can take days to reencode |
| [20:34:18] | a1fa: | kormoc : i have a 3200+ |
| [20:34:32] | a1fa: | i dont think it would affect me that much |
| [20:34:39] | kormoc: | a1fa, my 2.13 ghz box takes about 6 hours to do a 1 hour show |
| [20:34:45] | a1fa: | i have this problem of not being able to watch all my shows |
| [20:34:50] | Rigolo: | so that would be one storage server, 1 myth-backend and 4 or 5 frontends |
| [20:34:50] | a1fa: | kormoc : to mp4? |
| [20:34:56] | kormoc: | a1fa, yes |
| [20:34:59] | a1fa: | damn |
| [20:35:08] | a1fa: | ok.. maybe xvid->320x240 |
| [20:35:12] | a1fa: | ;) |
| [20:35:16] | a1fa: | that would be faster? |
| [20:35:19] | kormoc: | a1fa, xvid is just as slow :) |
| [20:35:36] | a1fa: | damn it |
| [20:35:46] | a1fa: | how can we make this faster? |
| [20:35:53] | a1fa: | i want to buy an ipod for this reason |
| [20:35:56] | a1fa: | so i can watch my shows |
| [20:35:58] | a1fa: | i am never home |
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| [20:36:04] | a1fa: | and shows just sit there |
| [20:36:05] | a1fa: | :( |
| [20:36:24] | kormoc: | a1fa, get a super fast 64 bit machine, and you can get it nice and speedy then, but it's still likely going to be slightly longer then realtime. |
| [20:36:41] | Dug02: | does anyone here use sdpif? |
| [20:36:43] | scopeuk: | thought i hate to admit it the p4's are faster for video encoding |
| [20:37:05] | scopeuk: | o atleast the y are on windows |
| [20:37:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | a1fa: or just stream them over the web using mythstreamtv.... We watched 5 hours of shows over the web at my friend's house last-night... ;-) |
| [20:37:22] | kormoc: | they tend to be slightly faster then amd's are on linux as well. |
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| [20:39:01] | scopeuk: | alhough im nto sure how the ecoding speed vs cost is betwen the two |
| [20:39:24] | a1fa: | kormoc : well, i am sure i can podcast mpg2 |
| [20:39:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk, kormoc: I don't have any benchmarks to prove one way or another, but my Dual PIII 866Mhz machine seems faster than my previous single- A XP1800+ with other similar specs... |
| [20:39:39] | scopeuk: | look at the ipod specs see what it will play |
| [20:39:50] | a1fa: | scopeuk : haha |
| [20:39:59] | a1fa: | scopeuk : u can hack ipod to play anything these days |
| [20:40:03] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, oh really? that would be interesting to see benched. |
| [20:40:05] | scopeuk: | J-e-f-f-A were talking about the current gen rearly |
| [20:40:07] | a1fa: | scopeuk : it will play divx and mpg2 |
| [20:40:21] | scopeuk: | the ipos play divx now? |
| [20:40:28] | a1fa: | http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| [20:40:32] | a1fa: | check it out |
| [20:40:38] | a1fa: | u can run linux on that bad boy |
| [20:40:39] | scopeuk: | oh nto stock firmware |
| [20:40:41] | scopeuk: | gotcha |
| [20:42:24] | a1fa: | so mpeg2 with resolution of 320x240 |
| [20:42:27] | a1fa: | would do just fine |
| [20:42:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk, kormoc: I'm not trying to claim it's faster cpu-wise, but it is much better at doing multi-tasking... Much less process swapping... |
| [20:42:47] | scopeuk: | it will be quicker at multitasking uals always are |
| [20:43:33] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, ahh, gotcha |
| [20:43:37] | a1fa: | scopeuk , kormoc : what ya guys think :) |
| [20:43:46] | a1fa: | really, any player can handle "podcasting" |
| [20:44:11] | kormoc: | yeah, but it's not really a web based thing, imho |
| [20:44:40] | a1fa: | nice webinterface "podcast this show" |
| [20:44:50] | a1fa: | you know what i mean, have a check-list button |
| [20:44:58] | scopeuk: | podcast this season |
| [20:45:04] | a1fa: | select show for podcasting |
| [20:45:10] | a1fa: | then u click podcast |
| [20:45:21] | a1fa: | and it just "save as.." |
| [20:45:30] | a1fa: | into your favorite mp3/video player |
| [20:45:32] | kormoc: | a1fa, only if it can stream it right... |
| [20:45:42] | a1fa: | that would be awesome |
| [20:45:55] | a1fa: | i hate apache not being able to handle files bigger then 2 gb |
| [20:45:59] | a1fa: | wtf is wrong with it |
| [20:46:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | a1fa: So you just want a web interface to frontend the 'transcode to podcast format and download to ipod' functionality... |
| [20:46:21] | a1fa: | J-e-f-f-A : it doesnt have to be for IPOD |
| [20:46:24] | kormoc: | a1fa, it's a web server and not a file server? |
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| [20:46:38] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, he really just wants a web frontned to nuvexport |
| [20:46:52] | a1fa: | all you have to do is encode the file to 320x240 |
| [20:46:56] | a1fa: | and thats it |
| [20:47:03] | a1fa: | and have it available for download |
| [20:47:04] | SMDBlink: | i want a dancing monkey on mine |
| [20:47:07] | a1fa: | kormoc : correct |
| [20:47:08] | kormoc: | a1fa, so if you check 3 shows, how does it download them? it can only prompt one at a time |
| [20:47:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | a1fa: Ok, well, for video, mythstreamtv works great for me... I've added a "Stream this program" link to my recordings page that kicks off the VLC streaming over the web. Works MINT! |
| [20:47:26] | a1fa: | kormoc : yeah, gotta work on the kinks |
| [20:47:33] | a1fa: | kormoc : i am sure you can use a java downloader |
| [20:47:47] | a1fa: | kormoc : that will download all files as 1 stream |
| [20:47:47] | kormoc: | a1fa, that's not really a kink... but you know what... |
| [20:47:58] | kormoc: | a1fa, we will wait for your patches! g'luck! |
| [20:48:08] | a1fa: | kormoc : lol |
| [20:48:09] | ** a1fa cries ** | |
| [20:48:36] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, I'm hoping this flash video player works well, then it can just be a nice, play this file link and blam, there it is. |
| [20:49:10] | a1fa: | dude |
| [20:49:16] | a1fa: | kormoc : will that be integreted w/ svn? |
| [20:49:48] | kormoc: | a1fa, likely not for awhile, I've just been playing with it |
| [20:50:03] | SMDBlink: | whats an OSD theme? |
| [20:50:20] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, On Screen Display, it's the info boxes that popup over the tv |
| [20:50:34] | a1fa: | kormoc : i am going to make some patches for the mythweb enviroment, is the svn open for public? |
| [20:50:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Flash player, eh? Cool. My setup currently uses WMP on wintel... (streams mms protocol via mythstreamtv) |
| [20:50:46] | SMDBlink: | ahh ok |
| [20:50:49] | SMDBlink: | thats what i want |
| [20:50:56] | kormoc: | a1fa, yes, it is |
| [20:51:49] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, there's a nice free one, and ffmpeg can encode into the flash video format nice and speedy on my webserver. I can do 15 fps (half speed), 320x240 (half res) on the fly. |
| [20:52:08] | scopeuk: | interesting |
| [20:52:14] | a1fa: | kormoc : ok, i will make a patch that will use nuvexport to shrink the file down to "320x240" + rename it to pod_filename |
| [20:52:26] | a1fa: | kormoc : and when it is done.. it will have a link "Download POD" |
| [20:52:31] | scopeuk: | then you chuck in a swf that loads flv along with a control bar |
| [20:52:33] | scopeuk: | well sorted |
| [20:52:34] | a1fa: | or just "POD" |
| [20:52:54] | a1fa: | what do you think about that? |
| [20:52:59] | kormoc: | a1fa, be careful, what happens when you spawn 4 nuvexports at a time, they'll step on each other's toes and slow down a ton! |
| [20:53:10] | kormoc: | scopeuk, yeah, that's the idea |
| [20:53:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Humm... What's nice about mythstreamtv is that it does the same FPS (or optionally lower), and full resolution (optionally lower), but transcodes the bitrate of video & audio... Looks incredible for streaming over the web at 500kbps! |
| [20:53:43] | a1fa: | kormoc : you think i should only have 1 at the time? you see.. this needs to be an option when you record a stream — Check Option: "create a pod version also" |
| [20:53:53] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, well, this can be dynamic as well, I just know what my webserver can do :) |
| [20:54:13] | a1fa: | kormoc : not send 2 gb files :) |
| [20:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Ok, so it's a limitation on the speed of your webserver, not the flash video format. Gotcha. |
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| [20:55:09] | kormoc: | a1fa, you could just record the files as 320x240 mpeg2 at the bitrate you want and just get them without any bother (if you have a mpeg2 card) |
| [20:56:04] | a1fa: | kormoc : then i cant watch it on tv |
| [20:56:05] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, aye, the flash video format is rather nice and tight overall |
| [20:56:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Do you guys like blowing people's minds away with MythTV as much as I do? ;-) |
| [20:56:10] | kormoc: | a1fa, why not? |
| [20:56:14] | a1fa: | the resolution will be so small, that I will lose everything |
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| [20:56:36] | kormoc: | a1fa, not really too much, no |
| [20:56:56] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, aye, I do love myth :) |
| [20:57:13] | a1fa: | kormoc : i dont feel like hacking my ipod right now to play mpeg2 |
| [20:57:21] | a1fa: | hehehe |
| [20:57:37] | a1fa: | it only plays mp4 |
| [20:57:44] | a1fa: | stock |
| [20:57:56] | a1fa: | it would be a pitty to buy a brand new ipod and whax0r it to play mpeg2 |
| [20:58:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | My friends could not get over the fact that the movie we were watching was streaming over the web from my MythTV server at home, and playing at 25fps... It only got 'blocky' on really high-motion scenes... |
| [20:58:41] | SMDBlink: | how would i change the OSD theme? |
| [20:58:56] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, install a new theme and select it in the settings? |
| [20:59:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | SMDBlink: It's in the TV Playback settings. |
| [20:59:13] | a1fa: | J-e-f-f-A : you lucky basatrd.. why dont you document it and share it with the rest of the boys |
| [20:59:24] | SMDBlink: | tv playback ahhh |
| [20:59:28] | SMDBlink: | not appearence |
| [20:59:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | a1fa: It's just mythstreamtv. And my FiOS connection helps too! (2Mbps up!) |
| [20:59:48] | kormoc: | one of these days, I'll wiki the entire mythfrotnend layout... |
| [20:59:50] | xris: | a1fa: pretty sure video ipods play mpeg2 just fine |
| [21:00:05] | a1fa: | xris : u sure? if it does, I'll go buy one after work |
| [21:00:10] | test34: | You cant use ivtv with kernel 2.6.16.3 ? you absolutly need 2.6.16.0 ? |
| [21:00:19] | xris: | a1fa: people were talking here right after they came out that they worked fine. |
| [21:00:20] | kormoc: | a1fa, that's why people said you should check the specs... |
| [21:00:28] | a1fa: | kormoc : i did |
| [21:00:30] | xris: | otherwise, nuvexport has a nice ipod export module |
| [21:00:43] | a1fa: | really |
| [21:00:49] | SMDBlink: | whats a good OSD theme? |
| [21:01:00] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, I like the default one myself |
| [21:01:06] | AlmtyBob: | anyone have any motherboard/cpu recommendations for a MythTV box that will also double as a 1.6TB fileserver? |
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| [21:01:17] | imperfectus: | Howdy. |
| [21:01:20] | AlmtyBob: | it's going to be headless so I don't need anything fancy |
| [21:01:28] | a1fa: | xris : u sure? |
| [21:01:31] | AlmtyBob: | but onboard gigabit ethernet would be nice |
| [21:01:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | SMDBlink: Depends what you like... I use the 'default osd' also... Nice and 'plain', but 'clean' and not 'flashy'... |
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| [21:01:44] | kormoc: | a1fa, he only wrote it... |
| [21:01:46] | xris: | a1fa: about nuvexport? yes. I spent like 3 hours saturday working with a friend to get it working. |
| [21:02:00] | imperfect-: | Anyone know if I can use a Rage 128Pro to capture cable TV ? |
| [21:02:13] | a1fa: | xris : heheh. i need to get it. ur;? |
| [21:02:16] | a1fa: | url? |
| [21:02:58] | a1fa: | The 5G iPod plays MP3, AAC, protected AAC, Apple Lossless, WAV, AIFF, and Audible audio files |
| [21:02:58] | xris: | a1fa: google |
| [21:03:05] | a1fa: | i dont see mpg2 |
| [21:03:26] | xris: | a1fa: that list doesn't include video, either |
| [21:03:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | a1fa: umm-- that's only audio formats you've got listed there... |
| [21:03:49] | a1fa: | 5G iPod is able to play video encoded in H.264, MPEG-4, M4V, and MOV up to 768Kbps, 320x240 pixels, and 30fps. |
| [21:04:04] | a1fa: | J-e-f-f-A, xris : hya |
| [21:04:18] | xris: | a1fa: so maybe it doesn't work. I don't own one, was just going against what people here said. |
| [21:04:31] | xris: | I do know that there's a new firmware version that killed some video-format support |
| [21:04:51] | a1fa: | i can always hack it |
| [21:04:58] | a1fa: | but i guess i wont be buying an ipod anytime soon |
| [21:05:09] | a1fa: | i just bought a new motorcycle |
| [21:05:22] | a1fa: | and it would suck if i hacked a new ipod and hoes the firmware |
| [21:05:28] | a1fa: | hosed |
| [21:05:36] | a1fa: | short on cash atm |
| [21:05:48] | scopeuk: | who isent |
| [21:06:22] | xris: | a1fa: why hack it? |
| [21:06:42] | kormoc: | scopeuk, I'm not short on cash. my bank account is just vertically challenged. |
| [21:06:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: he wants it to have mpeg2 and divx playback capability... |
| [21:07:16] | JustWilliam: | lol |
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| [21:08:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | There's 'Ipod Linux' that plays both, so he'd be installing Linux on it, hence hacking it... |
| [21:08:29] | mchou: | anyone here a "professional" linux network admin? |
| [21:09:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Not me, but what's your question? |
| [21:10:31] | mchou: | just need some help with NAS/NFS layout for multiple users. |
| [21:10:53] | mchou: | need a lil "best practices" advice |
| [21:11:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Ok. If it had to do with TCP/IP stuff I probably could have helped you out, but I'm still learning that side of the world... ;-) |
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| [21:12:20] | imperfect-: | mchou: lvm + exportfs of /home |
| [21:12:24] | imperfect-: | mchou: the end. ;0 |
| [21:12:52] | mchou: | imperfect-: no. that's real problematic and way too simplistic |
| [21:13:19] | imperfect-: | mchou: Far be it from me to decrease your admin headache. ;) |
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| [21:14:01] | mchou: | imperfect-: you have one usr at different machines that uses different versions (of say .kde). Certainly dont want to export /home in that case |
| [21:14:39] | imperfect-: | mchou |
| [21:15:27] | mchou: | all those pesky dot files in home dir are going to be a problem (for different versions of SW) |
| [21:16:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou : Hey- he never claimed he was perfect! As a matter of fact, he's "imperfect-" ;-) |
| [21:16:07] | imperfect-: | well |
| [21:16:26] | imperfect-: | I'm trying to figure out why user prefs would be a problem from network located home dirs |
| [21:16:54] | mchou: | imperfect-: I just told you. different sw versions |
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| [21:17:05] | imperfect-: | imperfect- : You mean the user moves? |
| [21:17:24] | mchou: | imperfect-: of course |
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| [21:17:34] | imperfect-: | well sir |
| [21:17:37] | kormoc: | imperfect-, are the uid's the same over both machines? |
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| [21:18:01] | imperfect-: | sorry |
| [21:18:02] | imperfect-: | phone |
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| [21:18:13] | mchou: | let's assume uid is done by yp or ldap |
| [21:18:45] | mchou: | so ythe same user has same uid/gid across different machines |
| [21:19:36] | imperfect-: | i'd think a best practice would indicate site wide version control ;) |
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| [21:20:02] | mchou: | imperfect-: lol |
| [21:20:13] | SMDBlink: | is there a way to go straight to the EPG? |
| [21:20:27] | mchou: | imperfect-: so why not just mount nfs root :) |
| [21:20:40] | imperfect-: | mchou: works for me ;) |
| [21:20:43] | mchou: | imperfect-: Larry Ellis vision of the world |
| [21:20:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | SMDBlink: Yes — set a 'jump point' in the Key bindings with Mythweb. |
| [21:20:57] | imperfect-: | mchou; well you could nfs mount /usr ;) |
| [21:21:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | SMDBlink: then map that key to your remote button. |
| [21:21:37] | mchou: | imperfect-: except Larry Ellis turnrd out to be wrong about fat servers thin clients |
| [21:21:46] | mchou: | turned* |
| [21:21:59] | scopeuk: | this little celeron never ceases to amaze me with its ability to playback live tv |
| [21:21:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | SMDBlink: (Just make sure it's a unique key that's not used by any other function! ;-) |
| [21:22:05] | imperfect-: | mchou : How many users are we talking about? |
| [21:22:29] | mchou: | imperfect-: a group of 10 devs |
| [21:22:40] | mchou: | give or take a few |
| [21:22:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk: Yeah, I remember being excited about being able to play a DVD back with a software decoder on a PII 400... |
| [21:23:15] | mchou: | imperfect-: and each dev has about 4–5 machines |
| [21:23:16] | scopeuk: | not brave (or foolhardy) enoguh to isntal la dvd drive |
| [21:23:45] | mchou: | imperfect-: that includes dual boot, etc. |
| [21:23:51] | imperfect-: | mchou: Well you could spect a .kde config for each possible version.. |
| [21:24:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk: (Well, that was ~8 years ago too... ;-) |
| [21:24:12] | imperfect-: | mchou: and then script a version check ? |
| [21:24:15] | mchou: | imperfect-: lol. that what I want to avoid :) |
| [21:24:21] | mchou: | admin headache |
| [21:24:25] | imperfect-: | mchou: well it is.. |
| [21:24:42] | mchou: | we're not just talking kde |
| [21:24:52] | imperfect-: | mchou : but I dont see how you're going to get around it... unless... you perhaps create different user accounts for different software sets |
| [21:24:56] | scopeuk: | im nto admin but if that were me id mount the network share as the main storage folder within the users home dir |
| [21:24:57] | mchou: | I used kde as ONE example |
| [21:25:08] | SMDBlink: | do i have to use mythweb to change the keybindings |
| [21:25:24] | scopeuk: | no its in setup |
| [21:25:26] | imperfect-: | scopeuk : I thought he wanted remote homes? |
| [21:25:43] | scopeuk: | [22:10] <mchou> just need some help with NAS/NFS layout for multiple users. |
| [21:25:58] | imperfect-: | yeah I read that |
| [21:25:59] | mchou: | imperfect-: not remote homes. |
| [21:26:08] | imperfect-: | Ah well. |
| [21:26:26] | imperfect-: | So you just want a NAS folder? |
| [21:26:33] | imperfect-: | scopeuk has the right idea, i'd say |
| [21:26:39] | mchou: | more like windows "roving profiles" and Documents & Settings :) |
| [21:26:52] | scopeuk: | roming profiles are devil spawn |
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| [21:27:11] | mchou: | scopeuk: why do you say that?? |
| [21:27:20] | scopeuk: | i jsut dont like em |
| [21:27:46] | haj: | recording from a pvr-500, one session... on a 500MHz Celeron-box. |
| [21:27:49] | scopeuk: | im normaly on the reciving end though not the admin side |
| [21:28:07] | haj: | does it make sense that mythbackend uses 20% cpu while its recording? |
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| [21:28:14] | haj: | the enc-process uses ~10 |
| [21:28:25] | mchou: | unionfs and autofs look interesting too as dfs :) |
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| [21:29:30] | mchou: | so lets say I do something like scopeuk suggests...... |
| [21:29:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | haj: of a Celeron 500, I'd say that's about right... |
| [21:29:57] | ** haj already misses his 3200+ :( ** | |
| [21:30:29] | mchou: | and I want everyone to nfs share /videos |
| [21:30:36] | haj: | i hate motherboards and chipsets for S939... why don't they just work? |
| [21:30:51] | mchou: | haj: what's the issue? |
| [21:31:28] | haj: | mchou: first i got a motherboard with a VIA-chipset.. didn't work with the PVR-500.. then i got a motherboard with a ULi-chipset.. didn't work either. |
| [21:31:43] | phoner: | anyone here use lirc_i2c for their remote? |
| [21:31:47] | mchou: | haj: try nvidia? :) |
| [21:31:54] | haj: | mchou: then i got a nForce3-based motherboard.. worked fine for like 4 days, then it started crashing all the time.. :o/ |
| [21:32:04] | mchou: | haj: that's easy |
| [21:32:13] | mchou: | haj: boot noapic |
| [21:32:23] | mchou: | haj: works wonders |
| [21:32:39] | mchou: | if apic is on all bets are off |
| [21:32:41] | haj: | mchou: and when it crashes it can't turn on again.. it dosn't turn on the displays.. |
| [21:33:01] | mchou: | haj: who made nf mobo? |
| [21:33:05] | haj: | MSI |
| [21:33:11] | mchou: | haj: haha!! |
| [21:33:23] | haj: | i did run without apic :) btw |
| [21:33:25] | mchou: | haj: get a more reputable make :) |
| [21:33:55] | mchou: | haj: then check out your mem or psu :) |
| [21:34:03] | haj: | mchou: my problem is that i want a motherboard with AGP-slot.. and lots of PCI-slots.. theres not much to choose from :o) |
| [21:34:27] | mchou: | sure there are. Gigabyte makes a nice one |
| [21:34:35] | haj: | mchou: i tried it with a different PSU, and without any PCI-cards in it.. still crashed. |
| [21:34:41] | mchou: | $60 @newegg |
| [21:34:51] | haj: | mchou: oh, and with 3 different videocards.. |
| [21:34:56] | haj: | sucky shit... |
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| [21:35:15] | haj: | mchou: now i'll just start by having it switched to a new one :) |
| [21:35:15] | SMDBlink: | its 96 degrees today |
| [21:35:56] | mchou: | haj: what switched to a new one? |
| [21:36:12] | haj: | mchou: the motherboard.. i'm RMA'ing it tomorrow |
| [21:36:19] | mmead: | mchou: my wife thanks you heartily |
| [21:36:35] | mchou: | mmead: yeah, what for? |
| [21:36:54] | mmead: | mchou: 1080i, bob, booting WITHOUT "noapic" -> 92% cpu |
| [21:37:02] | mmead: | mchou: 1080i, bob, booting WITH "noapic" -> 50% cpu |
| [21:37:05] | phoner: | where is it 96? |
| [21:37:10] | mchou: | mmead: hehe :) |
| [21:37:14] | SMDBlink: | oklahoma |
| [21:37:24] | phoner: | that's hot |
| [21:37:27] | mmead: | mchou: I'm baffled as to why, since myth doesn't do direct hardware access, but hey, if it works |
| [21:37:41] | mmead: | bob looks so much better than lb |
| [21:38:27] | mchou: | mmead: bad interrupt switching wreaks all sorts of havoc :) |
| [21:38:39] | mchou: | mmead: where you live? |
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| [21:39:06] | mmead: | mchou: VA |
| [21:39:21] | mchou: | mmead: I'm coming over to see your wife :) |
| [21:39:27] | mmead: | mchou: 720p is settling in to around 40% |
| [21:39:37] | mchou: | mmead: j/k :) |
| [21:39:40] | imperfect-: | woot |
| [21:39:41] | imperfect-: | I'm out |
| [21:39:42] | mmead: | mchou: I figured you'd say something along those lines :) |
| [21:39:44] | imperfect-: | good lukc mchou |
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| [21:40:22] | mmead: | mchou: thanks again for the suggestion |
| [21:40:30] | mchou: | mmead: np |
| [21:40:34] | mmead: | mchou: now to order STB HD |
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| [21:40:51] | SMDBlink: | i cant find where to change the keybindings :( |
| [21:40:53] | mchou: | yeah, drop by the local comcast office |
| [21:40:58] | mmead: | mchou: that along with my two HDTV receiver cards and I should be able to record everything on the air at once |
| [21:40:59] | mchou: | mmead: ^^ |
| [21:41:09] | mmead: | mchou: oh, you have to go by instead of just ordering it? |
| [21:41:27] | mchou: | mmead: I just dropped by since it was close |
| [21:41:27] | mmead: | mchou: do they not give you a FW capable box unless you drop by? |
| [21:41:31] | mmead: | mchou: ahh |
| [21:41:44] | mchou: | I dunno if they deliver :) |
| [21:41:55] | mmead: | my current STB came in the mail |
| [21:41:56] | mchou: | w/o $45 charge :) |
| [21:42:20] | mmead: | mchou: heh... I'll look into it |
| [21:42:51] | mchou: | mmead: you must be rather rich if your wife can afford not to work :) |
| [21:43:06] | dtm: | mchou: either that, or not an average american |
| [21:43:07] | mmead: | she works |
| [21:43:18] | mmead: | though she will be staying home with kids |
| [21:44:06] | mmead: | mchou: what makes you think she doesn't work, anyway? |
| [21:44:18] | phoner: | hm, are there issues with the latest svn version? |
| [21:44:22] | phoner: | it won't compile |
| [21:44:23] | SMDBlink: | anyone know where to change keybindings? |
| [21:44:24] | mchou: | mmead: cause you said your wife tried it :) |
| [21:44:29] | a1fa: | xris : can anyone confirm that ipod can play mpeg2? |
| [21:44:53] | mmead: | mchou: you lost me – tried what? |
| [21:45:01] | mchou: | noapic |
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| [21:45:24] | mmead: | mchou: no, I changed grub and rebooted |
| [21:45:55] | mchou: | mmead: yeah, but she was home to check it out :) |
| [21:46:16] | mmead: | mchou: we're both home – it is a different time zone in VA, you know :) |
| [21:46:26] | mchou: | mmead: heh |
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| [21:50:19] | mchou: | haj: so which mobo you gonna get? |
| [21:50:22] | a1fa: | can anybody confirm that stock ipod can play mpg2 |
| [21:50:37] | mmead: | a1fa: 5g ipod? |
| [21:51:59] | a1fa: | mmead : no fifth generation ipod |
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| [21:52:10] | mmead: | a1fa: that's what I said |
| [21:52:17] | mmead: | a1fa: the ipod "with video" ? |
| [21:52:18] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:52:20] | scopeuk: | any one here good with xmltv errors? |
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| [21:53:45] | scopeuk: | sorry juski lol |
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| [21:55:29] | a1fa: | mmead : so? |
| [21:56:34] | a1fa: | The video-capable iPod only supports MPEG4 and MOV files, so we.re in need of a conversion. |
| [21:56:42] | a1fa: | i guess.. it doesnt play mpef2 |
| [21:58:18] | a1fa: | i guess i just need to export things into mp4 |
| [21:58:21] | mmead: | a1fa: I haven't tried to use mpeg2, but both mpeg4 and h.264 work fine for me |
| [21:58:33] | a1fa: | mmead : mind trying mpeg2 real quick, please? |
| [21:58:35] | mmead: | a1fa: I can import an mpeg2 and see what it does |
| [21:58:43] | a1fa: | mmead : please |
| [21:59:17] | xris: | a1fa: no |
| [21:59:54] | a1fa: | xris : no what? |
| [22:00:24] | Deathwish`: | quick question: is this the correct syntax for fstab mounting NFS: nfsremoteshareIP:/nameofshare /mnt/nfs nfs defaults,auto,noatime 0 0 |
| [22:00:25] | Deathwish`: | ? |
| [22:01:17] | xris: | a1fa: no, I can't confirm that ipods play mpeg2 |
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| [22:01:30] | a1fa: | xris : cool.. mmead is trying to play it right now |
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| [22:02:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Iwant0ut |
| [22:02:20] | mmead: | a1fa: well, itunes won't even import an MPEG2 PS from my PVR-350 |
| [22:02:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops... hehe wrong window there... |
| [22:02:38] | a1fa: | mmead : rename it to .mp4 |
| [22:02:42] | mmead: | a1fa: looking at apple's specs, I am pretty sure it plays mpeg4 and h.264 only |
| [22:02:44] | Beirdo: | note to self... cabbage rolls for lunch makes for a musical afternoon |
| [22:02:47] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [22:02:53] | a1fa: | Beirdo : hahahaha |
| [22:02:59] | a1fa: | i love cabbage rolls (SARMA) |
| [22:03:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Toot Toot! |
| [22:03:07] | a1fa: | cabbage rolls with meat and rice/ |
| [22:03:13] | Beirdo: | yum |
| [22:03:17] | naturalblue: | top class job on mythtv |
| [22:03:26] | mmead: | a1fa: no difference |
| [22:03:31] | Beirdo: | but I am pretty sure my fiancee wil ban them from my diet |
| [22:03:36] | naturalblue: | just rolled out knoppmyth and its a fantastic system |
| [22:03:38] | kormoc: | mornin Mr. Beirdo. |
| [22:03:43] | mmead: | Beirdo: goof faq, thanks for doing it |
| [22:03:43] | Beirdo: | howdy, kormoc |
| [22:03:52] | a1fa: | xris : i am going to make a landing zone on my box, that will mp4 encode files as soon as you drop them in.. |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | no problemo. people should try to update it sometime ;) |
| [22:04:16] | mmead: | I would suggest TURN OFF APIC :) |
| [22:04:17] | xris: | a1fa: or you could set up nuvexport as a user job and get rid of the commercials, too |
| [22:04:20] | naturalblue: | is there something special i ahve to do to get the knoppphone working with asterisk |
| [22:04:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: Did he just call your FAQ a 'goof'?!? |
| [22:04:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe |
| [22:04:52] | mmead: | heh |
| [22:04:55] | mmead: | s/goof/goof/ |
| [22:04:59] | a1fa: | xris : sweet. i never used user jobs |
| [22:05:01] | mmead: | or s/goof/good/ even :) |
| [22:05:23] | a1fa: | xris : anyway to, still keep the original file? |
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| [22:06:07] | xris: | a1fa: nuvexport doesn't touch mythtv |
| [22:06:12] | mmead: | ok, gg eat – mchou thanks again |
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| [22:06:37] | a1fa: | xris : i ment the .mpeg |
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| [22:07:52] | xris: | a1fa: you're not making sense.. record with myth, convert to mp4 with nuvexport.... |
| [22:08:12] | a1fa: | xris : right. does it convert the same file out it creates an output file? |
| [22:08:43] | a1fa: | xris : i think i answerd my own question.. it is only logical that it creates an output file |
| [22:09:02] | xris: | like I said, it doesn't touch myth's db (and thus the original file) |
| [22:09:08] | a1fa: | xris : but you said it can also strip commercials? what cse is it using? same as mythtv? |
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| [22:12:34] | xris: | nuvexport reads myth's db.. doesn't change anything, though |
| [22:13:26] | a1fa: | ok |
| [22:13:44] | a1fa: | sometimes that commercial skip doesnt work very well |
| [22:13:53] | a1fa: | 90% of time it is right to the ms |
| [22:14:59] | Deathwish`: | well, it managed to detect a commercial on a BBC channel for me and they dont have any. |
| [22:15:05] | Deathwish`: | so, er :D |
| [22:15:17] | Deathwish`: | I must have screwed up is the only conclusion :) |
| [22:15:31] | a1fa: | nah |
| [22:15:32] | a1fa: | u didnt |
| [22:15:35] | a1fa: | i gotta go |
| [22:15:36] | a1fa: | later |
| [22:15:40] | a1fa: | a/c is out @ work |
| [22:15:41] | a1fa: | sucks |
| [22:16:08] | kormoc: | it sucks? wlw, that's one broken ac, as then tend to blow. |
| [22:19:44] | defi_: | anyone get the 0.4.2 ivtv drivers working in gentoo with a 2.6.15 kernel? |
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| [22:32:17] | SMDBlink: | why would they put pageup and pagedown as skip ahead?? |
| [22:32:49] | SMDBlink: | defi_: i did |
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| [22:40:37] | [Yatta]: | i have a quick quesstion.. i hope it not too stupid.. |
| [22:42:16] | [Yatta]: | BUT.. i have a cable box that has rs232 conenction round the back.... if i use the RS232 IR Receiver or even the IR blaster how does the PC change the cable box to whatever staion?? |
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| [22:42:54] | [Yatta]: | the only connection to the cable tox is the cable that is conencted via the coax?? |
| [22:45:35] | SlicerDicer-: | mishehu: time to daisy chain the 2 hd boxes |
| [22:45:44] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: I will let you know how it goes as well :) |
| [22:46:19] | xris: | another $10/month isn't worth it for a second recording box. heh |
| [22:46:49] | xris: | just occurred to me that I'm paying the same monthly price as comcast's dvr just to use my mythbox |
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| [22:50:32] | SMDBlink: | how do i change my key bindings? |
| [22:50:34] | defi_: | SMDBlink Are you using the vanilla kernel or the gentoo-sources? |
| [22:50:44] | SMDBlink: | gentoo-sources |
| [22:50:55] | defi_: | you just emerged ivtv? |
| [22:51:01] | defi_: | nothing special? |
| [22:51:12] | SMDBlink: | yup |
| [22:51:15] | defi_: | hmm |
| [22:51:26] | SMDBlink: | u got the module running? |
| [22:51:39] | defi_: | while I emerge it? |
| [22:52:31] | defi_: | It fails saying it cant find the firmware, even though its in the correct spot? |
| [22:53:06] | kormoc: | you sure you have hotplug installed and firmware loading support in the kernel? |
| [22:53:34] | SMDBlink: | hauppauge card? |
| [22:54:32] | defi_: | yes |
| [22:54:54] | defi_: | 0.4.0 works fine with a 2.6.14 kernel |
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| [22:55:09] | SMDBlink: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup |
| [22:55:12] | SMDBlink: | i kinda followed that |
| [22:55:19] | zamboni: | howdy |
| [22:56:08] | zamboni: | I know this aint really support for ivtv devices bit Im having a little trouble |
| [22:56:25] | zamboni: | building the 061 with a 2.6.16.x kernel |
| [22:56:41] | zamboni: | nanyone mind eyeballing the pastebin |
| [22:56:46] | zamboni: | ? |
| [22:56:51] | zamboni: | http://pastebin.com/666092 |
| [22:57:04] | defi_: | I had the part that says "prevent firmware from being built..." enabled(kinda feel dumb now...) |
| [22:58:09] | kormoc: | zamboni, bad code |
| [22:58:19] | zamboni: | hmm how so? |
| [22:58:31] | zamboni: | like it just wont build now? |
| [22:59:02] | kormoc: | zamboni, it's not a compile issue, the code with the kernel changed, so unless you know enough to change it so it will work again, you're sorta out of luck |
| [22:59:09] | zamboni: | ahhh |
| [23:00:12] | zamboni: | so Its a wait and see or fiddle around or roll it back... |
| [23:00:18] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:01:10] | zamboni: | any suggestions on a rolled back kernel as a minimum? |
| [23:01:22] | zamboni: | I was pretty happy for a while with 2.6.14 |
| [23:02:07] | kormoc: | I stick to .14 myself |
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| [23:02:25] | kormoc: | if it works, no point in updating for a box that is ment to stay stable imho :) |
| [23:02:46] | bookwood: | Hi, anybody having experience with setting up ivtv-tune to use the german frequency map? |
| [23:03:12] | bookwood: | using ivtv-tune --freqtable="europe-west" doesn't yield any results. |
| [23:03:27] | xris: | bookwood: might try #mythtv-de for localized support |
| [23:03:28] | bookwood: | the command just prints usage information |
| [23:03:41] | bookwood: | xris: Well, I am trying to but they are all asleep |
| [23:03:46] | xris: | lol |
| [23:03:49] | ** xris pokes laga ** | |
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| [23:03:55] | bookwood: | its one o clock in the moring here in germany |
| [23:04:00] | zamboni: | kormoc true but I was fiddling with the latest udev and making some progress toward eliminating the hotplug scripts |
| [23:04:02] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: it's supposed to do that..what did you expect it to do? |
| [23:04:31] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: Well, i expected it to set the map to europe west |
| [23:04:31] | xris: | bookwood: they're bad geeks if they're all asleep that early. heh |
| [23:04:42] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: it only sets the frequency table per command execution |
| [23:04:43] | bookwood: | xris: Right you are |
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| [23:04:57] | zamboni: | welp back to the drawing board |
| [23:05:01] | zamboni: | caio |
| [23:05:13] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: Sorry, I do not have the vaguest notion on how to set it up |
| [23:05:21] | kormoc: | zamboni, udev should work fine reguardless of the kernel version (as long as it's current) |
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| [23:05:41] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: do you know how I can do it? |
| [23:05:50] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: set what up exactly? If you want to tune to a europe-west channel just do ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c channelnumber |
| [23:06:03] | bookwood: | oh |
| [23:06:16] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: Where do I get the channelnumber? |
| [23:06:18] | RaYmAn-Bx: | if you want to set the frequency table for mythtv, then you set that up inside mythtv |
| [23:06:25] | RaYmAn-Bx: | run it with -l |
| [23:06:36] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: Mythtv 0.18 does not work for me |
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| [23:06:49] | kormoc: | bookwood, good thing the current version of myth is 0.19 then... |
| [23:06:50] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: It has problems writing to the database |
| [23:07:02] | bookwood: | kormoc: I used the stable ebuild provided by gentoo |
| [23:07:22] | kormoc: | bookwood, well, you could fix your database issues then. |
| [23:07:23] | bookwood: | kormoc: I know that there is much difference between the two and I will probably upgrade in a few minutes |
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| [23:07:44] | kormoc: | bookwood, don't bother, you'll have the same issue until you fix up the database |
| [23:08:01] | bookwood: | kormoc: I was in the gentoo-mythtv irc room and one of the guys there told me he had the same problem and it dissappeard when he upgraded |
| [23:08:17] | bookwood: | kormoc: How? I followed the instructions and the database is there |
| [23:08:27] | bookwood: | kormoc: I even deleted it once and set it up again |
| [23:08:39] | kormoc: | bookwood, that would be interesting to see, as myth doesn't touch the db any differnetly in 0.19 |
| [23:08:42] | bookwood: | kormoc: it's kinda difficult when there is not much information for your distro |
| [23:08:47] | kormoc: | bookwood, so what exactly is the error? |
| [23:09:04] | SMDBlink: | most likely its: |
| [23:09:04] | SMDBlink: | Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes |
| [23:09:08] | bookwood: | kormoc: Well, that sounds reasonable but maybe the initialisation script for the distro is better |
| [23:09:19] | bookwood: | kormoc: let me paste it in pastebin |
| [23:09:27] | bookwood: | kormoc: I'll be back in a minute |
| [23:09:27] | kormoc: | bookwood, no difference between them |
| [23:09:36] | bookwood: | kormoc: It does not save anything |
| [23:09:48] | bookwood: | kormoc: you can set up something and it is not saved ... |
| [23:09:51] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, yeah, but most gentoo users are on mysql 5 by now I'd venture to say |
| [23:09:55] | bookwood: | kormoc: like tv cards and the likes |
| [23:10:04] | SMDBlink: | nope |
| [23:10:11] | bookwood: | kormoc: I use mysql 4 and its the stable one |
| [23:10:18] | SMDBlink: | latest stable version in gentoo portage is 4 |
| [23:10:23] | kormoc: | they havn't unmasked 5 yet? blasted devs. |
| [23:10:26] | SMDBlink: | lol |
| [23:10:30] | bookwood: | mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.14, for pc-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.1 |
| [23:10:46] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, they were going to unmask it months ago... but it never quite happened evendently |
| [23:11:39] | bookwood: | http://pastebin.com/666117 just to start with |
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| [23:12:07] | kormoc: | yeah, your inport into the DB was foobared |
| [23:12:14] | SMDBlink: | drop the database |
| [23:12:19] | SMDBlink: | then make it again |
| [23:12:36] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, won't help unless he switches away from utf-8 first |
| [23:12:43] | SMDBlink: | yeah |
| [23:12:43] | bookwood: | SMDBlink: How do I drop it? The last time I did it with rm -rf /var/lib/db/mysql |
| [23:12:58] | bookwood: | kormoc: I don't have utf-8, do I? |
| [23:13:14] | kormoc: | bookwood, yes, you do. it is set to utf-8 in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [23:13:15] | SMDBlink: | well yeah i just went with 0.19 after i got the same errors and it fixed it |
| [23:13:25] | kormoc: | bookwood, but you're lucky, 0.19 will fix that |
| [23:13:32] | bookwood: | kormoc: How can I disable it? just editing the config file? |
| [23:13:48] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, yeah, chutt added in forcing it to be latin-1 for the inport |
| [23:13:50] | bookwood: | kormoc: Ok, so I will emerge 0.19. You see the guy was right :P |
| [23:14:07] | SMDBlink: | thats good |
| [23:14:14] | kormoc: | bookwood, yeah, but that's different then what you said, this isn't errors with saving, this is nonexistant tables, slightly different :P |
| [23:14:41] | SlicerDicer-: | ok this is not fun... |
| [23:14:48] | SMDBlink: | how do i change the key bindings? |
| [23:14:51] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: none of my firewire things work right |
| [23:15:22] | bookwood: | kormoc: Well, you are right. Anyway, I am emerging 0.19 now |
| [23:15:40] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, sucky |
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| [23:15:45] | SlicerDicer-: | aye |
| [23:15:57] | SlicerDicer-: | well the firewire 2 works kormoc |
| [23:16:01] | SlicerDicer-: | but I cant get the firewire working |
| [23:16:02] | SlicerDicer-: | LOL!! |
| [23:16:09] | bookwood: | kormoc: Well, do you know where i can get the channel information, to just test the TV-Card without mythtv (as it will obviously take half an hour to c ompile) |
| [23:16:12] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont have the proper connectors |
| [23:16:31] | kormoc: | bookwood, that I don't know, sorry |
| [23:16:39] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, you already had it working I thought? |
| [23:17:19] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: I am wanting to try to run it off of the "nice chip" on the mobo |
| [23:17:24] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [23:17:36] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: I have been using it through SB1394 on a audigy 2 |
| [23:22:17] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: just find out what channel or frequency any german channel you get uses and set it using ivtv-tune, then cat /video0 > file.mpg (or whatever your ivtv video device is), then try and view that |
| [23:22:28] | SMDBlink: | i have no clue how to change keybindings and i cant find anything on google or anywhere about it |
| [23:22:56] | kormoc: | SMDBlink, they can be changed via mythweb |
| [23:23:37] | SMDBlink: | so i have to have mythweb... |
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| [23:23:53] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: I am just trying to, but it seems to not work. ... |
| [23:24:17] | RaYmAn-Bx: | SMDBlink: in 0.19 it's also somewhere in the mythfrontend configuration |
| [23:26:08] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: I found this page but its a city 50 km away from here and in Germany you never know which frequencies are used by the different cities |
| [23:26:15] | bookwood: | and the values do not work for me |
| [23:26:27] | RaYmAn-Bx: | can't your tv show frequencies? |
| [23:26:30] | RaYmAn-Bx: | or channels |
| [23:27:19] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: it does. Let me check |
| [23:29:35] | bookwood: | 231.25 for the channel I am watchin now |
| [23:30:03] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: let me try ivtv-tune -t europewest -c 231.25 and see if it works |
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| [23:30:51] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: Invalid channel, guess I am doing something wrong her |
| [23:31:15] | kormoc: | bookwood, channels tend to be like from 2 to 99 or so |
| [23:31:26] | bookwood: | that was the frequency |
| [23:31:27] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: it's because it's a frequency :P |
| [23:31:35] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: you need to use -f frequency |
| [23:31:46] | RaYmAn-Bx: | look at the help output from ivtv-tune :P |
| [23:31:48] | bookwood: | how do I know, what channel belongs to the frequency? |
| [23:32:15] | RaYmAn-Bx: | you don't really need to know, just hand it the frequency |
| [23:32:44] | bookwood: | ok, I set it with the -f option |
| [23:32:51] | RaYmAn-Bx: | yes |
| [23:33:06] | bookwood: | hm |
| [23:33:11] | bookwood: | it still records garbage |
| [23:34:13] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: I did bookwood@Gentoo-Box ~ $ ivtv-tune -f 231.2 |
| [23:34:13] | bookwood: | /dev/video0: 231.200 MHz |
| [23:34:36] | bookwood: | I broke the holy law of not pasting anything into the channel ... |
| [23:34:37] | bookwood: | sorry |
| [23:34:48] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [23:34:56] | bookwood: | and recorded from /dev/video0 but its still trash |
| [23:34:57] | kormoc: | we don't care if it's a line or two, it's the floods we don't like |
| [23:35:26] | bookwood: | kormoc: good to know :) |
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| [23:36:58] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: the fact that it doesn't say (Signal detected) tells you that something is wrong anyway |
| [23:37:37] | bookwood: | What am I doing wrong? I connected the TV-Kabel with the input-connector "TV", then I did the itvt-tune command ... |
| [23:37:50] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: shouldn't that be sufficient? |
| [23:39:07] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: presumably so..It's hard to say..It might be a wrong tuner module or whatever... |
| [23:39:17] | bookwood: | hm |
| [23:40:18] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: How can I tell the driver to record from the TV-Input connector? with ivtvctl, right? |
| [23:40:38] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: yes |
| [23:40:49] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bookwood: but if you get static chances are you already are |
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| [23:41:06] | bookwood: | I get noise |
| [23:41:24] | RaYmAn-Bx: | afaik you'd just get black if it was from another input |
| [23:42:12] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: so the input connector is ok |
| [23:42:21] | RaYmAn-Bx: | probably |
| [23:42:38] | RaYmAn-Bx: | try pastebin'ing the dmesg ivtv output |
| [23:42:58] | bookwood: | with tuner module you mean the kernel-module used? |
| [23:43:06] | RaYmAn-Bx: | yes |
| [23:43:49] | bookwood: | http://pastebin.com/666186 |
| [23:45:04] | RaYmAn-Bx: | it doesn't seem to detect the tuner at all |
| [23:45:10] | RaYmAn-Bx: | what does ivtvctl --log-status say |
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| [23:46:24] | bookwood: | http://pastebin.com/666193 |
| [23:46:32] | sphing: | anyone good at raw sockets |
| [23:46:32] | bookwood: | and the modules are tveeprom and tuner |
| [23:48:17] | RaYmAn-Bx: | it looks kindof odd, but I'm all out of ideas |
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| [23:48:55] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: hm :( |
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| [23:49:18] | RaYmAn-Bx: | if you didn't already, then try compiling/installing ivtv manually |
| [23:49:33] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: oh |
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| [23:50:22] | bookwood: | RaYmAn-Bx: I have bad experience with that ... I guess I'll examine the ebuild |
| [23:51:09] | bookwood: | ugly ebuild :/ |
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| [23:52:09] | WAR_CH|LD: | can anyone think of a reason to why the mythfrontend would lock up everytime you attempt to enter the menu for your recorded programs? |
| [23:52:45] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: problem solved I think hehe |
| [23:52:49] | kormoc: | yeha? |
| [23:52:54] | kormoc: | WAR_CH|LD, waiting for the database? |
| [23:53:07] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah I will just use the onboard and the sound blaster firewire |
| [23:53:10] | SlicerDicer-: | I think it will work right |
| [23:53:13] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [23:53:24] | SlicerDicer-: | I was trying to put them both on the same chipset to avoid problems but its not going to happen |
| [23:53:30] | WAR_CH|LD: | yeah, I don't know how impatient the users are been |
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| [23:55:11] | WAR_CH|LD: | it does seem to be loosing connection to hte backend server |
| [23:55:14] | WAR_CH|LD: | on anoter box thou |
| [23:55:21] | WAR_CH|LD: | but the other box "looks" 100% |
| [23:56:12] | WAR_CH|LD: | "Video timing method: USleep with busy wait" is that an error I should worry about? |
| [23:56:14] | SlicerDicer-: | hey kormoc |
| [23:56:19] | SlicerDicer-: | its gone from this http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront.jpg |
| [23:56:24] | Dug02: | anyone here use a Samsung LNR328W lcd tv? |
| [23:56:28] | SlicerDicer-: | to this lol http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg |
| [23:56:47] | SlicerDicer-: | obsessed much ;-) |
| [23:56:54] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, your clock is off |
| [23:56:59] | SlicerDicer-: | bah |
| [23:57:11] | kormoc: | :P |
| [23:57:17] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: so I should be all digital now |
| [23:57:20] | SlicerDicer-: | no more analog |
| [23:57:23] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: inspired me hehe |
| [23:57:30] | SlicerDicer-: | but I went overkill ;-) |
| [23:58:07] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: the top one is the stupid comcast DVR they sent me that box by mistake haha |
| [23:58:12] | SlicerDicer-: | so i dont get charged for the dvr |
| [23:58:15] | SlicerDicer-: | but the funny thing... |
| [23:58:19] | SlicerDicer-: | I can use the DVR functions |
| [23:58:37] | SlicerDicer-: | lol |
| [23:58:57] | SlicerDicer-: | ok afk got to go fix this |
| [23:59:02] | SlicerDicer-: | set it up properly to handle firewire |
| [23:59:14] | xris: | SlicerDicer-: so overkill... heh |
| [23:59:41] | xris: | Dug02: what problems are you having? |
| [23:59:58] | ** xris wants to go home and play in the yard ** | |
| [23:59:59] | bookwood: | Hey, I have installed mythtv 0.19 now but I have the same Database errors |
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