Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 13th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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drdaz:

hang on I'll check mine now

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drdaz:

just reinstalled

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atomjack:

ok

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kormoc:

ShockValue, might want to switch XvMC from whatever it is set to now, on to off or off to on

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ShockValue:

kormoc – speaking of video.. if i leave the stuttering show on, and open an xterm over the top of it (obscuring the video) it "sounds" like its playing fine

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atomjack:

i'll go try it in the meantime

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drdaz:

lies!

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drdaz:

varchar(128)

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ShockValue:

kormoc – tried that.. tried standard, libmg(?) and xvmc... the middle option gave me the lowest proccessor usage

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psofa:

gn all

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atomjack:

oh lol

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atomjack:

well that fixed it anyways

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atomjack:

it works, you rule dude

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atomjack:

it's set to int(11)

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atomjack:

and it works...

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drdaz:

:D

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drdaz:

sweet

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atomjack:

yeah iit looks like tinyint(1) has a max valu eof 127

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drdaz:

seriously... there must be some gremlin code doing that some place

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drdaz:

yeah

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kormoc:

ShockValue, well, what you're describing is a video decoding issue for sure

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drdaz:

so it seems as tho you arent getting a bookmark set

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atomjack:

and i guess it's in miliseconds

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kormoc:

drdaz, unless it's unsigned! then it's 255!

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drdaz:

but its actually about 3 seconds in

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ShockValue:

kormoc – im not that great with xorg.conf and stuff.. but DRI is enabled, and im using 7676

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atomjack:

yeah

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atomjack:

maybe not miliseconds, i wonder what the value translates to?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, disable DRI (nvidia's drivers don't use it), and upgrade to the newest drivers (released just the other day), and that might help a bit

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drdaz:

kormoc: yeah.. but the values in the table maxxed out at 127

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ShockValue:

kormoc – ok, ill give it a go, thanks

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atomjack:

yep that's what happened drdaz

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drdaz:

ok thats just odd

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drdaz:

I thought it was just my HD that was roasted

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drdaz:

cant be a coincidence

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drdaz:

atomjack: you had SVN installed?

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atomjack:

well no i'm running 0.19

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drdaz:

ok

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kormoc:

drdaz, atomjack, you guys should put all this in a ticket on svn.mythtv.org

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atomjack:

i've switched back and forth between it and SVN

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drdaz:

ahh

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atomjack:

but with SVN, i can't tune anything in with my hd-3000

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atomjack:

using DVB...

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drdaz:

I think this might be it

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drdaz:

I suspect the downgrade does stupid things to the database

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atomjack:

ahh

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kormoc:

bookmark is how many frames

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atomjack:

oh frames, ok

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ShockValue:

is there a "best" de-interlacing algorythm for xvmc? i tried using Bob, but i dont like the way it looks compared to.. umm.. the other one.. linear?

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drdaz:

bob is the only one that works afaik

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kormoc:

ShockValue, there's not really a best one really. You could try disabling interlacing and testing as well, see if that affects things

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drdaz:

using xvmc that is

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kormoc:

yeah, that's true

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ShockValue:

it makes the video very.. sharp, overly sharp, or something.. i dont like the way it looks

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drdaz:

oO

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kormoc:

ShockValue, sure, but does it fix the studdering

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ShockValue:

no

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kormoc:

kk, it's good to know these things :)

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** drdaz grunts **

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ShockValue:

it really doesnt seem to matter what switches i flip, 4:3 stutters, 16:9 doesnt

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ShockValue:

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drdaz:

I hate it when things misbehave and dont throw any errors out

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ShockValue:

updating portage now to try the new nvidia drivers.. will be a few.. :)

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kormoc:

Shock[AFK], might want to powercycle after new drivers, just to be sure

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Shock[AFK]:

yeah, im a microsoft guy.. its the only thing I know how to do >:)

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drdaz:

hell.. I guess a reboot cant hurt my box either

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drdaz:

actually... have the mythvideo and mythmusic icons been yanked from recent versions of mythweb?

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drdaz:

I ask since... mine are gone :p

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drdaz:

loool

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drdaz:

the reboot got it searching

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drdaz:

wtf

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drdaz:

my machine is getting more like a windoze box every day

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drdaz:

the similarities are growing

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drdaz:

I think that search might be turning into some giant loop of death

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drdaz:

100%CPU

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drdaz:

mem % 64 and rising

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drdaz:

oO

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drdaz:

she's gonna blow!

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drdaz:

:-|

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drdaz:

72%

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drdaz:

80%

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drdaz:

^^

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kormoc:

drdaz, the icons only show up in mythweb if the plugins are installed

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drdaz:

they are

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xris:

it's amazing what passes for good-quality digital cable.... some of my stuff comes in at 328x480 (or so)... scary

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drdaz:

ok... this is a bug for sure

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drdaz:

somehow or another my path to mythmusic wound up blank...

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drdaz:

thats not the bug

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drdaz:

trying to search for new tunes in that state tortures your machine

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Samson:

anyone have problems making xine-lib , i get errors about libXv even though i have it installed , but its nowhere to be found

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drdaz:

then it aint installed?

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Samson:

when i try to install it rpm says its already installed

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drdaz:

u tried uninstalling the rpm and reinstalling it?

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Samson:

yes

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drdaz:

hmm

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Samson:

i need a libXv.a

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drdaz:

u got libXv-devel installed?

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Samson:

yes

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drdaz:

bizarre..

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Samson:

yeah i know its really starting to irk me now...

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drdaz:

I know this is cheating.. but there's likely an rpm of xine somewhere :p

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** drdaz ducks **

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Samson:

i;'ve tried, it works , but doesnt include all the stuff I need from the src version

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drdaz:

kk

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drdaz:

cant say I can help much... sorry :( last time I built xine it compiled without issue

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Samson:

is there a way to get rpm to be very verbose, like list where its sticking every thing

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drdaz:

it shouldnt be necessary... locate should find it if its there

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drdaz:

"/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.a"

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drdaz:

is where mine is

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kormoc:

drdaz, unless it's an old locate db

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Samson:

yeah thats where its supposed to be

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drdaz:

well yes :)

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Samson:

mine aint there

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Samson:

:(

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atomjack:

yeah it's in the same place for me too

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atomjack:

is it anywhere?

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** drdaz checks his pockets **

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Samson:

ive never used locate

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Samson:

just find

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kormoc:

of course, mine is in /usr/lib/libXv.so

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kormoc:

Samson, locate filename

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kormoc:

Samson, case sensitive of course, dirt simple

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Samson:

ok i was trying to over do it nope not anywhere

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Samson:

ive got .so but not .a

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kormoc:

Samson, well, that's fine, you just need to run ldconfig likely

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Samson:

uhm

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drdaz:

score?

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Samson:

no that didnt work

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drdaz:

:-/

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kormoc:

that's sucky

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kormoc:

you sure it's set to check that directory?

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Samson:

let me check

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Samson:

yup

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AngryElf:

alright, so my myth setup is working great which means it's time to open a new can of worms

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AngryElf:

my understanding is that none of the HDTV cards come with onboard encoders like the hauppauge analog tuners, yes? if so what kind of cpu power is required for a HD tuner?

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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Agrajag-:

AngryElf: the stream is already encoded

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Beirdo:

HDTV is already encoded

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Beirdo:

it just needs to be demodulated

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AngryElf:

i thought there was significantly more cpu overhead required for HD than analog

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Beirdo:

for playback, yes

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AngryElf:

ah, so not the backend....what's recommended for hd playback?

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Beirdo:

that I'm not sure as I don't have HD at this point

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AngryElf:

i've never had a problem playing downloaded tv shows that are HD, would that be the same?

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Beirdo:

doubt it

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AngryElf:

i'm guessing those have been further encoded

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AngryElf:

hmm, k

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Beirdo:

almost guaranteed they have been

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xris:

AngryElf: raw 1080i is about 9.5G/hour

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AngryElf:

that can of course be reduced through myth's recording profiles tho, yes?

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Samson:

can someone send me libXv.a , this is friggin killin me

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xris:

AngryElf: no. high def is high def... it's not encoded, it's just pulled from the air.

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xris:

you can transcode it to other formats if you want, though.

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WAR_CH|LD:

hello, achew22 you alive?

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MindHack:

anyone working on a windowable player application, that would allow playback of recordings on desktops?

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Beirdo:

you mean like... mplayer?

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Beirdo:

or mythtv?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah it aint recording on mine

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SlicerDicer-:

I have had recording failure after recording failure with firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

hows it going with you xris

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I let it run and record a few things well it aint happening

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I dont know what to do :/

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MindHack:

Beirdo, mplayer is great, but I find it a pain to manually query mysql to find show titles vs hash numbers for file names, and mplayer wont read cutlists and commercial skip. Furthermore, mythfronend has geometry support, but is not resizeable

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Criggie:

you know you can just run mythtv as a player, even separate from mythfrontend

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MindHack:

?

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MindHack:

really?

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MindHack:

seems to go straight to livetv mode.....

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MindHack:

I was thinking of writing a small app, it would be a little tiny panel that would query mysql for info, and then callup some player and pass it commandline options to provide the same options that one would find in frontend. But of course I wont if someone else has done so

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Anduin:

Yeah, that is so much easier than running the frontend in a window.

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MindHack:

when I run it in a window I cant resize it. Am I doing something wrong? I assumed it was an inherent property of it

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kazan:

man

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kazan:

tuning mpeg4 = pita

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RuisHome:

i've configured (and reconfigured) my cards in mythtv-setup and I can't get them to get a good reception. I've checked the cable going into the card by hooking it up straight to the tv, and the tv gets good reception from it. what's my problem?

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Anduin:

MindHack: It is, seems like a lot of hoops just to have resizing.

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MindHack:

furthermore, unless I hack some telnet script, there seems to be no way to use xbindkeys when the frontend has no focus

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MindHack:

Anduin, perhaps

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Anduin:

RuisHome: You have sound now?

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** kazan wonders why RTjpeg and MPEG4 are the only formats we can encode/transcode to inside myth **

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kazan:

xvid support wru

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RuisHome:

Anduin, no. not really. I heard some static earlier.

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RuisHome:

but it haven't been able to hear even that lately.

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Anduin:

RuisHome: Have you tried ivtv-tune with a different frequency chart?

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RuisHome:

Anduin, no. i haven't heard of that program.

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: mine works fine now... just took a bit for the backend to figure out what it was supposed to be recording.

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kazan:

hey xris

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kazan:

any idea why RTjpeg and MPEG4 are the only formats mythTV will automatically transcode to

[03:11:52]

xris:

kazan: because those are the ones that isaac picked.

[03:12:30]

kazan:

any way isaac would consider adding more?

[03:12:35]

kazan:

like transcode to xvid

[03:12:47]

xris:

xvid is mpeg4

[03:13:06]

xris:

won't help you for what you want, though, since it'd still be in the nupplevideo container.

[03:13:09]

kazan:

all the xvids i've ever downloaded have been better quality/size than what mythtranscode is giving me

[03:13:24]

xris:

kazan: they weren't encoded with ffmpeg.

[03:13:30]

kazan:

getting it out of .nuv would be nice – but i'm more concerned with quality

[03:13:48]

xris:

kazan: what's your source format?

[03:13:50]

kazan:

getting a lot of "mpeg cube" artifacts

[03:13:52]

kazan:

bttv card

[03:13:59]

xris:

it'll never look good

[03:14:11]

kazan:

true :P

[03:14:28]

xris:

just saying.. analog card introduces too many problems that result in artifacts when encoding.

[03:14:34]

kazan:

i was trying to find pictures of what PVR-500s output

[03:15:00]

xris:

it depends on the source quality... I got "decent" stuff from the svideo port on my dish receiver.

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kazan:

tuning cable

[03:15:40]

kazan:

signal on the line is a touch stretched too

[03:15:47]

kazan:

one high quality splitter for the cable modem

[03:15:52]

xris:

but even the 352x480 stuff stuff coming in over the firewire port look better

[03:16:00]

kazan:

then a good quality signal booster with 4 output ports

[03:16:19]

xris:

your line is still analog, analog has static, static causes artifacts

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** kazan nods **

[03:16:39]

kazan:

BTTV cards are missing some of the filters that TVs have

[03:17:11]

xris:

some of them, not all of them.

[03:17:17]

xris:

pvr-150 has better filters, too.

[03:17:28]

xris:

you still get static, though. it will still cause artifacts

[03:18:53]

Shock[AFK]:

well crap.. a netflix dvd got sent to me all busted up, so i just reported it damaged and threw it away...

[03:19:02]

Shock[AFK]:

now my account says they wanted it back.. :(

[03:19:05]

Shock[AFK] is now known as ShockValue

[03:19:29]

xris:

ShockValue: I think that's pretty standard

[03:19:37]

Anduin:

very standard

[03:19:45]

xris:

prevents people from saying it was damaged and then stealing it

[03:19:52]

ShockValue:

yeah, im sure it is.. i just screwed up

[03:20:30]

ShockValue:

and none of their options to report a problem fit my scenerio >:)

[03:20:35]

xris:

lame

[03:20:45]

ShockValue:

[ ] check here if you're stupid and threw the dvd away.

[03:21:07]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah its stupid

[03:21:09]

Anduin:

ShockValue: Send them e-mail, they've been pretty understanding in the past.

[03:21:25]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: when I try to view livetv or try to record it I have to try to view it then try again and it works

[03:21:29]

SlicerDicer-:

it never fires the first shot

[03:21:33]

SlicerDicer-:

so recordings never work

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RuisHome:

Anduin, using ivtv-tune and mplayer, i can now get sound (i found a mixer and one volume level was set too low) and the sound sounds pretty good with a little static here and there, but the video is terrible.

[03:22:37]

RuisHome:

i've tried all the us freq tables, and non of them are any better than the other for video. us-cable seems to be the best for audio though.

[03:23:11]

Anduin:

RuisHome: When you tested in on the TV it was with the same split arrangement?

[03:23:57]

RuisHome:

yes. its one cable coming from the wall. no splitters on it. plugged it straight into the tv and it worked great.

[03:24:11]

RuisHome:

plugged it into the pvr500 and it's not great.

[03:24:14]

achew22:

xris: I still got that png_encoder thing goin on from last night, do you have any ideas?

[03:25:00]

Anduin:

RuisHome: Have you tried the s-video port? (It is rare now, but historically the ivtv (or tveeprom) driver doesn't always get the tuner params exactly right)

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RuisHome:

Anduin, no. i don't really have a way to get input into the svideo port.

[03:25:48]

ShockValue:

Anduin: ok, sent em an email begging forgiveness for my transgressions.

[03:25:58]

ShockValue:

hope it works.. i dun want to pay $20

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Anduin:

RuisHome: I'd check the tuner type against a search for other people with the same card.

[03:27:38]

RuisHome:

is it possible i have the wrong firmware install for this card?

[03:28:18]

Anduin:

RuisHome: You can check the firmware version/md5 and compare it to the wiki, wrong probably isn't likely, maybe not recommended version.

[03:28:33]

achew22:

if I clear out my /usr/local/lib folder and it only has stuff related to an old copy of myht — will my computer hurt me?

[03:29:47]

Anduin:

ShockValue: If you haven't made a habit of it they seem to be somewhat forgiving (or have been to some people in the past).

[03:30:17]

Anduin:

achew22: No, though you should ldconfig after stuff like that.

[03:30:53]

achew22:

when I cleaned it out it fixed it — so much for being patient....

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RuisHome:

Anduin, ok. i've got some channels to look really good, others don't come in as clear.

[03:43:21]

Anduin:

RuisHome: Doing what?

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achew22:

Anduin — does your name mean anything?

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Anduin:

achew22: google it

[03:53:35]

achew22:

wow... nerdy

[03:53:57]

Anduin:

achew22: Yeah, TRLs for parents.

[03:54:11]

Anduin:

Makes a great nick though.

[03:54:34]

achew22:

the even sadder thing is that there is a fairly in depth wikipedia article about it

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Anduin:

Yeah, before the damn movie it was actually pretty easy to find me with google.

[03:55:20]

achew22:

the movies weren't up to par....

[03:55:30]

simcop2387:

Anduin: what movie?

[03:55:35]

achew22:

LOTR

[03:55:41]

simcop2387:

never heard of it

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achew22:

lord of the rings?

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simcop2387:

:)

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achew22:

there we go

[03:56:06]

achew22:

I can just see you hitting your head on the desk in front of you.....

[03:56:20]

achew22:

screaming — "WHY DIDN'T I GOOGLE IT"

[03:57:46]

simcop2387:

oh i knew, just figured i'd be funny

[03:58:26]

achew22:

right...

[04:00:11]

achew22:

is there a way to make scp gunzip or bzip the folder its transfering?

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mchou:

wow, kubuntu livecd actually isnt too bad

[04:30:27]

mchou:

at least it's no longer the crashfest it used to be

[04:31:34]

mchou:

and now for some mindless entertainment

[04:35:08]

achew22:

when I start mythtv it says "Couldn't read menu file mainmenu.xml" where can I find that file, and where should I put it?

[04:36:58]

achew22:

nevermind — found it and placed it

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Grubsy:

why would i get failed to open card. on a fresh install?

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Agrajag-:

Grubsy: because it failed to open the card?

[04:53:01]

Grubsy:

:p

[04:53:09]

Grubsy:

this is the first time i have tried installing too btw

[04:53:14]

Agrajag-:

check your mythtv-setup

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Grubsy:

i have a VisionPlus card... and i installed knoppmyth

[04:53:45]

levander:

If I have a valid Tivo subscription, is there any legal way to pull the tv guide info off that?

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Agrajag-:

Grubsy: does the dvb device exist?

[04:54:07]

Grubsy:

where do i check that?

[04:54:14]

nick125:

levander: none come to mind..why would you need to do that in the first place?

[04:54:26]

Agrajag-:

Grubsy: see if /dev/dvb/anything exists

[04:55:15]

Grubsy:

has adapter0 adapter1 adapter2 adapter3

[04:55:34]

Agrajag-:

err ok.. does femon work?

[04:55:43]

Grubsy:

femon?

[04:55:54]

Agrajag-:

run femon from command line

[04:56:00]

Agrajag-:

part of dvb utils

[04:56:17]

Grubsy:

what should it be showing?

[04:56:36]

Grubsy:

it is running ok

[04:56:37]

Agrajag-:

first line should be "using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0'"

[04:56:54]

Grubsy:

yep

[04:56:56]

Grubsy:

correct

[04:57:29]

Agrajag-:

hmm sounds right. check your mythtv-setup to make sure the cards are pointing to those dvb devices

[04:58:18]

Agrajag-:

wait the 2nd line wasn't "opening frontend failed: No such file or directory" was it? :)

[04:58:40]

Grubsy:

should it still work without an antenna connected?

[04:59:05]

Grubsy:

2nd line shows

[04:59:24]

Grubsy:

FE: DVB-T (TERRESTRIAL)

[04:59:31]

Grubsy:

actually

[04:59:37]

Grubsy:

FE: DST DVB-T (TERRESTRIAL)

[04:59:58]

Agrajag-:

yeah that's right. that shows the modules are loaded correctly and stuff

[05:00:10]

Agrajag-:

just check your mythtv-setup now

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Grubsy:

ok and what should i be checking for?

[05:01:16]

Agrajag-:

that the cards are properly assigned to the dvb devices

[05:01:23]

Grubsy:

card type i have: DVB DTV Capture card (v3.x)

[05:01:44]

Agrajag-:

sounds right. what exactly does mythbackend give you?

[05:01:45]

Grubsy:

what do i select for DVB Card Number?

[05:02:06]

Agrajag-:

0 to 3 (since you have 4 of them?)

[05:02:36]

Grubsy:

ah it says

[05:02:45]

levander:

nick125: i thought the only way to get free tv guide was to fill out all those survey forms some company offers to get free tv guide for mythtv

[05:03:02]

Grubsy:

Frontend ID: Could not open card #0!Subtype: Device or resource

[05:03:38]

nick125:

levander: Yeah..you fill that out and they don't bug you for 6 months..it would be a lot easier then trying to get tivo data into mythtv

[05:03:38]

Agrajag-:

does the word after that happen to be 'busy'?

[05:03:55]

Grubsy:

cant see it, goes off the screen

[05:04:07]

levander:

nick125: well, not if somebody had already written software that all i had to do was install...

[05:04:14]

Grubsy:

i think it said something about something running in the background when i started the setup

[05:04:36]

Agrajag-:

Grubsy: do lsof /dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0

[05:04:48]

Agrajag-:

Grubsy: that'll tell you if another process is already using the card

[05:05:34]

nick125:

levander: I'm pretty sure tivo would be very unhappy about that software..

[05:05:39]

Grubsy:

yeah looks like something is

[05:05:42]

Grubsy:

kill that PID?

[05:05:56]

levander:

nick125: well, considering i paid for it..

[05:05:57]

Agrajag-:

what is it?

[05:06:07]

Grubsy:

mythbackend

[05:06:20]

Agrajag-:

err so why are you trying to run mythbackend if it's already running?

[05:06:37]

Grubsy:

ah i didnt configure it right the first time

[05:06:54]

Grubsy:

i rebooted when i probably shouldnt have

[05:08:25]

Grubsy:

ah looks better now i killed that

[05:08:44]

Grubsy:

how do i change my xmltv config

[05:09:06]

Grubsy:

ah...

[05:09:26]

Grubsy:

MythTV was unable to retrieve channel information for your provider

[05:09:40]

Grubsy:

is that because i dotnt have an antenna connected?

[05:10:09]

Agrajag-:

no

[05:10:22]

Agrajag-:

our dvb eit is crap, we only get 'now' and 'next' data

[05:10:30]

Grubsy:

ah ok...

[05:10:40]

Agrajag-:

use http://immir.com/tv_grab_au that instead

[05:10:49]

Grubsy:

when do i add that?

[05:10:53]

RuisHome:

ok. i've figured out my reception problem. i've got the pvr500. /dev/video1 comes in crystal clear, but /dev/video0 is fuzzy. I had the header card plugged in and I unplugged it thinking that was causing it to not tune with the rf connection, but that didn't help. as far as I can tell, their both configured the same. any ideas?

[05:10:57]

Grubsy:

and also where?

[05:11:37]

Agrajag-:

Grubsy: well i have that run as a cronjob like this: 30 5 * * * /home/filip/tv_grab_au_new/tv_grab_au && /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 /home/filip/tv_grab_au_new/output/guide.xml

[05:12:08]

Agrajag-:

there are other ways to do it, read the docs

[05:12:32]

Grubsy:

ok thanks :)

[05:12:50]

Grubsy:

do i have to add http://immir.com/tv_grab_au to some config file?

[05:14:33]

Agrajag-:

you have to download it and configure it

[05:15:04]

Grubsy:

ok

[05:20:14]

Chicago:

Anybody know where I can fix how this looks?? I only have weird fonts like this in mythstream http://entropyengine.net/mythstream.jpg

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Chicago:

Here's another example. http://entropyengine.net/bbc.jpg

[05:26:32]

Grubsy:

thanks Agrajag- got that working!!!!

[05:27:09]

Grubsy:

stupid question... but how do i actually open up the program now?

[05:28:09]

RuisHome:

so it looks like the pvr500 commonly suffer from the 1st tuner having a weak signal: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . 25;list=ivtv

[05:28:13]

RuisHome:

does anyone know of a fix?

[05:28:18]

RuisHome:

or is it a hardware issue?

[05:29:53]

Agrajag-:

Grubsy: mythfrontend

[05:31:08]

Grubsy:

actually the tv grab complained that cached.pl didnt exist

[05:32:09]

Agrajag-:

hmm i think that should be ok for the first run

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Agrajag-:

it'll create it

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Chicago:

RuisHome: I don't have a noticeable problem with my pvr-500...

[05:42:41]

RuisHome:

Chicago, where did you purchase it?

[05:42:49]

Chicago:

Newegg

[05:42:53]

Chicago:

a year ago.

[05:45:17]

RuisHome:

i think it's the newer cards that are having problems. i just bought mine last week.

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Chicago:

Does anybody still use mythstream?

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sphery:

Chicago: listening to it right now.

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archpollux:

hi

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archpollux:

can anyone please tell me where in the database are actual tv frequencies being kept?

[06:13:45]

Chicago:

sphery: does yours look like mine? http://entropyengine.net/bbc.jpg http://entropyengine.net/mythstream.jpg

[06:13:53]

sphery:

freq's are generally in the code

[06:14:40]

sphery:

However you can put either a frequency (in kHz) or channel number in the freqid field of channel table

[06:14:59]

sphery:

The frequency comes from code if you have a channel number in freqid

[06:15:07]

sphery:

Chicago: kind of

[06:15:10]

sphery:

One sec.

[06:16:17]

sphery:

Chicago: edit /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default/stream-ui.xml

[06:16:39]

sphery:

I never did (too lazy, and I normally shut off my TV when listening to MythStream), but it will fix it.

[06:17:12]

Chicago:

sphery: cool... I'm checkin it out.

[06:20:19]

sphery:

Chicago: thanks for the motivation.

[06:20:34]

sphery:

I just reduced all the font sizes to 14. Should look much nicer.

[06:20:49]

sphery:

I guess I'll find out tomorrow (next time I turn on the TV). :)

[06:21:50]

Chicago:

I did 16... but they got cutoff still... I'm tryin 14 now... and using "Arial" instead of FreeSans

[06:24:29]

sphery:

Cool.

[06:24:36]

sphery:

Let me know if it works out.

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archpollux:

so what's channel.mplexid?

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sphery:

D'oh. You would ask something I don't know after I encourage you to come back to -users...

[06:25:04]

Chicago:

sphery: looks nice now. http://entropyengine.net/newfont.jpg

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sphery:

Chicago: Thanks. Now I don't have to turn on my TV, but I still get to admire my work. :)

[06:25:44]

Chicago:

right on...

[06:25:52]

sphery:

archpollux: I'm pretty sure mplexid has something to do with DVB tuning.

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archpollux:

sphery: ah. so it shouldn't matter for a tv tuner..

[06:26:26]

sphery:

Not an analog tuner.

[06:26:31]

archpollux:

yeah

[06:26:32]

archpollux:

thanks

[06:26:47]

sphery:

Anything in particular you're trying to do?

[06:27:01]

Chicago:

sphery: is mythstreamweb working for you?

[06:27:08]

sphery:

Never tried it.

[06:27:27]

sphery:

Is it a web interface to MythStream?

[06:28:15]

sphery:

Just found a post about it http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/195432#195432

[06:28:57]

sphery:

So, it sounds like it only helps you configure streams, right? It won't allow you to start/stop MythStream or pick a stream for playback?

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Chicago:

sphery: lol... that's my post. :)

[06:29:12]

sphery:

Oh. Good to meet you Chris.

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Chicago:

Hi

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Chicago:

Supposedly you can pick a stream for playback.

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sphery:

Hmmm.

[06:29:48]

sphery:

Maybe I'll be using it soon, then.

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Chicago:

That post hit #1 pagerank for "mythstreamweb" in about 4 days...

[06:30:15]

sphery:

That's my biggest complaint about MythStream. I hate turning on my TV just to choose a net radio stream.

[06:30:28]

archpollux:

sphery: i'm looking at frequencytables.cpp, but not sure what's happening... how do i get a complete map of freqid to frequency?

[06:30:31]

sphery:

You're the keeper o' the knowledge

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sphery:

archpollux: frequencytables.cpp is for digital

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sphery:

frequencies.c is for analog.

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sphery:

Which frequency table do you use?

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archpollux:

sphery: oh, it's in frequencies.c, right?

[06:31:51]

archpollux:

us cable, found it

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archpollux:

i think..

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sphery:

cool

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archpollux:

hmm, i can't find a known frequency...

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sphery:

Chicago, is yours SVN head or -fixes or 0.19?

[06:34:16]

sphery:

which frequency?

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archpollux:

3092

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archpollux:

for channel 10

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Chicago:

sphery: I'm on svn 0.19-fixes

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sphery:

archpollux: Channel 10 on NTSC cable is 193250kHz

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sphery:

Where did you get 3092?

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sphery:

(and what units is that?)

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sphery:

So, Chicago, are you thinking of patching mythstreamweb?

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archpollux:

that's what i'm asking myself :)

[06:36:13]

sphery:

lol

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archpollux:

i have a hauppauge pvr 250 and that's what "ivtvctl -R" reports

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house:

anyone around?

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sphery:

Oh

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sphery:

Probably "kernel units"

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Chicago:

sphery: I started playing with it last night... I just have a correct install.sh now... but I think my init.php is still wrong.

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house:

when i mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql i get this:

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house:

bash: /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory

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archpollux:

aha, multiples of 62

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sphery:

archpollux: 62.5

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house:

anyone know what im doing wrong?

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sphery:

house: what does "ls /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql" give?

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archpollux:

sphery: exactly :)

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archpollux:

sphery: what does it represent, if you don't mind me asking..

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house:

ls: /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory

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sphery:

Chicago: I know Chris mentioned he was going to do MythStreamTV module for MythWeb.

[06:39:46]

sphery:

I'm wondering if he's planning a MythStreamWeb module, too...

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house:

was i supposed to create that file somewhere?

[06:39:54]

sphery:

Might be worth talking to him.

[06:40:28]

sphery:

His nick is "x r i s" (no spaces don't want to wake him up with a beep :D )

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Chicago:

yeah. thanks for getting my stream-ui.xml worked out... now I can read the thing at least.

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sphery:

np

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sphery:

house: mc.sql comes with the mythtv distribution

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sphery:

What did you use to install?

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house:

im using gentoo, but i havent emerged mythtv yet

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sphery:

archpollux: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/184200#184200 (and that's my post, BTW :)

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archpollux:

sphery: thanks :)

[06:42:04]

sphery:

too many conversations going on.

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sphery:

I'm getting myself way behind...

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house:

so i need to wait to setup the database until i emerge mythtv?

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sphery:

When you emerge mythtv, you'll have that file

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house:

ok sweet

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house:

wonder why gentoo wiki doesnt say that

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archpollux:

nice svn viewer :)

[06:44:21]

sphery:

If you know exactly what version of MythTV you'll have, you could pull just the mc.sql script from SVN, but it's not too useful without MythTV.

[06:44:26]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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sphery:

Note that it does almost nothing.

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sphery:

The actual database is built the first time you start mythtv-setup, mythbackend, or mythfrontend

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sphery:

(although, you should start mythtv-setup first)

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

is there smething you can use to get prettier filenames for .nuv files?

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Ediehow:

so you can tell from the filename what it is?

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sphery:

mythrename.pl

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sphery:

in the contrib directory

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Ediehow:

do you have to specify what the new name is?

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Ediehow:

can you make it automatic?

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sphery:

(assuming you're using 0.19)

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Ediehow:

yes, 19

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sphery:

I have a shell script that calls it.

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Ediehow:

oh, nightly?

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Ediehow:

or what?

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sphery:

every 30 mins at 01 and 31

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sphery:

http://misc.thirdcontact.com/mythlink.sh

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sphery:

use "mythrename --help" to find out how to create the format strings

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sphery:

I use a script in my cron job so I only need one cron job

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sphery:

My script makes 5 views

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sphery:

sorted differently

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Ediehow:

i dont understand the views thing?

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Ediehow:

oh

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sphery:

You mean "VIEWS_PATH"?

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Ediehow:

it makes it to where it doesn't modify the real file

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sphery:

right.

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sphery:

I make links

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sphery:

if you leave out the "--link" option, it will actually rename files

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sphery:

I prefer a clean directory with just links

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sphery:

The recordings directory is "dirty"--it has the PNG's for the thumbnails

[06:53:04]

sphery:

Also, I like multiple views

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Ediehow:

all i need to change is views dir, right?

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Ediehow:

and then run your script?

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Ediehow:

to get symlink?

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sphery:

Assuming you have mythrename.pl in your PATH

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

(with the formats I specified)

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Ediehow:

cool

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Ediehow:

what format do you do it in crontab?

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sphery:

Changing the others (like "UNDERSCORES" , "SEPARATOR", and "REPLACMENT"--as well as "FORMATS" and "DIRECTORIES") will allow you to customize your views

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Ediehow:

i can just do hourly

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sphery:

I have fcrontab and use the line:

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sphery:

# Create "pretty" filenames for MythTV recordings

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sphery:

&mail(no) 01,31 * * * * /usr/local/bin/mythlink.sh > /dev/null 2>&1

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Ediehow:

ok, i set it up hourlay

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Ediehow:

thanks:)

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sphery:

enjoy

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Ediehow:

do you use sftp?

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Ediehow:

i was curious if there's a better sftp than standard

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Ediehow:

that you can actually use tab completion

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sphery:

I do my best not to use sftp

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

I use scp between hosts on my network (internal only)

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Ediehow:

yeah, but how do you get a file from somewhere easily?

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Ediehow:

like, i am at a location that cannot ssh in

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Ediehow:

but i can ssh out

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Ediehow:

and i want to get a .mpg to watch

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Ediehow:

from a domain

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sphery:

Don't know.

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sphery:

I guess sftp is your only choice

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Ediehow:

gftp

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Ediehow:

thx

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

that too

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Ediehow:

i wonder when we'll get flash player 8.5

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Chicago:

Is there a way to tell a recording to transcode from mythweb?

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Ediehow:

mythburn may

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mogorman:

hi

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mogorman:

i have a mythtv box with a plextor 402u that recently crashed and needed to be rebooted

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mogorman:

however i havent rebooted this machine in forever

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mogorman:

and the driver for the tv tuner didnt come up right

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mogorman:

does anyone happen to know how to bring it up

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mogorman:

i cant remember but i thought there was a trick

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house:

eselect mysql list

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house:

Available MySQL versions:

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house:

(none found)

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house:

whats up with that?

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house:

i have no clue why it cant find a version

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house:

anyone?

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house:

when i run mythtv-setup, it doesnt save any of my changes

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house:

any clues?

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lawton:

hello

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lawton:

what's the best capture card to use?

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lawton:

i'm sort of hoping for windows and linux compatiblity

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Anduin:

lawton: many like the pvr-x50 cards

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house:

i try to add a capture card, but i hit finish, and it just shows (new card)

[08:50:24]

lawton:

Anduin: how much do they cost?

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lawton:

are these integrated video + capture solutions?

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fatmatt:

house: that sounds like either a weird bug, or your missing some step... maybe check you have read/write permission on the database?

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Anduin:

lawton: look around for them (which model will determine the price)

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Anduin:

lawton: No, they are hardware mpeg2 capture cards (though the 350 has a MPEG2 decoder and TV out).

[08:51:47]

lawton:

Anduin: any suggestions on which sites to look at?

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lawton:

hrm

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Anduin:

lawton: newegg, etc, the -users list may have more.

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lawton:

-users?

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Anduin:

lawton: the mail list

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house:

doh

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house:

ls -la /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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house:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 227 Apr 13 02:20 /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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lawton:

ah ok

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lawton:

Anduin: are there any USB devices capable of capture?

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Anduin:

lawton: There are, never used any though.

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lawton:

i'm wondering if there is something that will work on Mac and Windows

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lawton:

or is cross platform like that unheard of?

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house:

the pvr's are wintv cards

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lawton:

all of them?

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Anduin:

lawton: Macs have been using PCI for some time (though myth backend doesn't do Mac I think).

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lawton:

Anduin: yeah i have a laptop though

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lawton:

so it'd have to be USB or FW

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Anduin:

lawton: I'd try the mail list then, more eyes.

[08:56:03]

lawton:

hrm some of these tuners are like $50

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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Juski:

got that friday feeling today :)

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stuarta:

yep, feel like spending the afternoon in the pub

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fatmatt:

house: do the cards work in other programs? and you need to check the permissions within the database search for grant tables priveleges something like that on the wiki or in the docs

[08:58:17]

lawton:

where is the newegg -users list if i may ask?

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lawton:

Anduin: or did you mean the mythtv-users list?

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house:

how can i fix this:

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house:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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Anduin:

lawton: I meant mythtv-users.

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lawton:

oh ok

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lawton:

thanks

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Anduin:

lawton: There is probably something in the archives, search there first.

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lawton:

this looks pretty cool: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815255010

[09:04:26]

lawton:

so is it true you can play back recorded programs with a simple integrated video?

[09:04:31]

lawton:

card

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Merlin83b:

Depends on the card :-)

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lawton:

i guess it would be your basic intel video

[09:08:57]

lawton:

i'm surprised there's a like a $30 card

[09:09:24]

lawton:

i guess i don't need to go with Dell's prepacked solution after all

[09:09:37]

lawton:

does anyone know which cards Dell uses for video capture?

[09:11:03]

mchou:

lawton: dell doesnt tell you?

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eiggirC:

probably some cheap shit. Get a Hauppauge pvr 500

[09:12:15]

mchou:

eiggirC: name a "cheap" encoder card that works w/ windows MCE

[09:12:28]

eiggirC:

mchou: PVR-150

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mchou:

lol

[09:12:34]

eiggirC:

but not overly cheap

[09:12:44]

mchou:

that's not "cheap"

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eiggirC:

its the cheapest I'd recommend to anyone

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mchou:

it's pvr500/2 :)

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mchou:

eiggirC: bullshit. That's cause there is no HW encoder that's cheaper

[09:15:16]

mchou:

lawton: in other words pvr150 is perfectly fine as long as you dont run out of pci slots for tuners.....

[09:16:46]

mchou:

And if you want to use only windows check out Nvidia DualTV. ISF certified

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mchou:

that's shit that hauppauge wont ever have

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eiggirC:

fair enough

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mchou:

if you really want cheap get firewire and pair it up with a capable STB instead

[09:18:47]

mchou:

better PQ than any capture card

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mchou:

No ISF certification necessary

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jchillerup|:

Just a friendly, off topic message

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jchillerup|:

woot-off at woot.com

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lawton:

mchou: i haven't bought the dell yet

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lawton:

i'm trying to compare what their mystery $80 card is to what is on the market

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lawton:

what is ISF certified?

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lawton:

and STB?

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mchou:

http://www.imagingscience.com/

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mchou:

STB==set top box

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lawton:

hmm

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lawton:

i'd prefer to run it under linux

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mchou:

it wouldnt surprise me if dell uses "oem" happauge pvr150

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lawton:

with an option to use windows

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lawton:

is the happauge pvr150 pretty standard?

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mchou:

firewire works with all os :)

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lawton:

for 1 tuner they want $80, two tuners are $120

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mchou:

lawton: dell linky?

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lawton:

what is this firewire module?

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lawton:

1 sec

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mchou:

lawton: man,dont be so clueless

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lawton:

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/feat . . . en&s=dhs

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lawton:

and click customize i think

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lawton:

apple's urls are so much nicer than dell's

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lawton:

dell's website is byzantine

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mchou:

lawton: which system?

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lawton:

the basic

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lawton:

e510

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lawton:

they're all the same options anyway

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lawton:

Remote Control [add $23 or $1/month3]

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lawton:

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lawton:

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lawton:

Single TV Tuner + Remote Control – watch and record TV on your PC [add $80 or $2/month3]

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lawton:

Work or surf and still catch your favorite shows

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lawton:

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lawton:

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lawton:

Dual TV Tuner + Remote Control – watch one channel while recording another [add $120 or $3/month3]

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lawton:

i sort of want to compare and see what's most compatible

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lawton:

so where can i get the firewire PVR?

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lawton:

new egg only has USB so maybe i'm not following you

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mchou:

lawton: man you are hopeless

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lawton:

mchou: sorry i'm just new to this lingo :p

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mchou:

you get a firewire STB from the cable co if you live in the US

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

for digital cable?

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mchou:

it's about $5–15/mo depending where you live.

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mchou:

yup

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lawton:

yeah i think i have a motorola one

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mchou:

then get a firewire card and be happy

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mchou:

no need for any other bullshit

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

oh wait

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lawton:

it's an extra service right?

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mchou:

of course it's possible that cable co wont have fw port enabled for premium channels

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mchou:

but that's for you to find out

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

so i can just connect to the FW port and copy files right off it's HD?

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mchou:

there is no HD in a STB

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mchou:

unless the STB is PVR

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lawton:

oh

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lawton:

so you mean the digital tuner box

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mchou:

and you dont "need" the cableco's pvr if you just want fw

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mchou:

and I wouldnt buy a dell

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mchou:

go get yourself a nice AMD64

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mchou:

quieter and cooler

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mchou:

intel systems just run too hot

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lawton:

hrm is AMD more energy efficient?

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mchou:

even though dells are not as bad as ppl make them out to be

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mchou:

AMD64s are much more energy efficient than intel

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lawton:

hrm

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mchou:

older AMD (32 athlonXPs and whatnot) were more power hungry.....

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lawton:

how much of the total energy consumption is the processor?

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lawton:

vs a good HDD

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lawton:

and mobo

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lawton:

I'm considering having this box running 24/7

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lawton:

so cutting power consumption is good

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mchou:

ther thermal design ratings are the same

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mchou:

but AMD64 numbers are MAXIMUM, while intel's are nominal :)

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mchou:

dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

i wonder how much it affects the computer's overall power consumption

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lawton:

there's also the PSU, mobo, all the other cards, HDD

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lawton:

usb devices possibly

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mchou:

each HDD is on the order of 10–15W

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hashbang:

lawton: do you have DVB-<S|T|C> where you are? They're probably the best, as all the encoding is done at the source, rather than on your computer.

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mchou:

a mobo by itself (w/o proc) is probably 30–40W

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mchou:

video cards probably 60W-80W

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mchou:

sn idle AMD64 proc takes maybe 20–30W

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mchou:

an*

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hashbang:

mchou: my Celeron 1.7 normally runs at 25C. When recording two DVB-T streams, and playing a recording, it peaks at 43C.

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mchou:

hashbang: that's way too warm

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lawton:

hashbang: california US

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hashbang:

mchou: what, 25C?

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lawton:

what is DVB?

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mchou:

43C

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hashbang:

lawton: Digital Telly.

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hashbang:

mchou: by what measure? It's within operating specs.

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mchou:

hashbang: lol

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mchou:

hashbang: in comparison with an AMD64 proc

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hashbang:

mchou: what does your AMD64 run at, then?

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mchou:

33C

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lawton:

hashbang: i can get digital cable

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lawton:

but it's too expensive

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mchou:

stock HSF is running 1000RPM

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hashbang:

mchou: idle, or 100% CPU?

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mchou:

80%CPU. Not idle

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mchou:

basically decoding 1080i

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mchou:

well, that's actually <60% with xvmc

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hashbang:

mchou: and what's your room temp?

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mchou:

but same dealio

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mchou:

33C

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hashbang:

so it's not putting out /any/ heat?

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mchou:

well, I actually dont know what room temp is

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mchou:

33C is mobo sensor on North bridge

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hashbang:

mchou: then comparing our two temperatures is comparing apples with oranges.

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mchou:

lol

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onetwo:

hi, am I correct in thinking that mythphone to skype is done with asterisk and uplink?

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mchou:

My room is pretty warm

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mchou:

I'm wearing shorts and short sleeves

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mchou:

hashbang: you wouldnt be saying that if you compared an intel and AMD64 side by side

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mchou:

hashbang: which I have done

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mchou:

the north brige most times is hotter than CPU

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hashbang:

bear in mind also, that my Celeron is a 4–5 year old processor. Not much attention was being paid to power/heat back in 2000/2001

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mchou:

hashbang: intel has not improved on the heat problem any

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hashbang:

whereas the AMD64 is a newer design, with more attention paid to power/heat

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hashbang:

mchou: er... Pentium M?

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mchou:

hashbang: I happen to work at Intel

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lawton:

hrm how is heat output on the Intel Dual Cores?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you dont really wanna know

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lawton:

mchou: you work at intel and recommend AMD?

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mchou:

yup

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lawton:

...

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mchou:

I recommend AMD for personal systems

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d64:

having a p4 630 in my pvr and a a64 3800 in my desktop, i heartily recommend amd

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lawton:

what's intel good for then?

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hashbang:

mchou: in what part of Intel?

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mchou:

lawton: dont ask me :)

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mchou:

I only work there :)

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hashbang:

lawton: stable desktop machines, with reliable chipsets and drivers.

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mchou:

hashbang: lol

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lawton:

hashbang: well that's what i though

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lawton:

intel dual cores only function w/ the 915 or 945 intel chipset right?

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hashbang:

lawton: and servers, but only if you get a good enough discount from Dell. :-)

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lawton:

so you know you're getting a good chipset

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mchou:

heh, if you guys only knew what I knew :)

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mchou:

just stay away from via

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hashbang:

mchou: my point exactly.

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d64:

i had big problems with an intel chipset previously

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mchou:

hashbang: no, my point is you dont know what you're talking about

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d64:

if i didn't install the chipset drivers (to enable agp 4x fx) FIRST before anything else, they would fail to install

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hashbang:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&am . . . ;btnG=Search

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lawton:

so via chipsets suck?

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lawton:

what chipsets does dell use?

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hashbang:

lawton: Intel, usually (always?)

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mchou:

lawton: dell only uses intel

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hashbang:

on Foxconn custom-made boards, IIRC.

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hashbang:

mchou: howso?

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mchou:

dell is Intel distribution channel

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lawton:

oh

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lawton:

then that means good chipsets from dell

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lawton:

they only use intel mobos too?

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hashbang:

lawton: Foxconn boards, IIRC.

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mchou:

lawton: even to this day when amd64 is clearly superior they havent made the switch

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lawton:

hrm, Foxconn

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lawton:

check out http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/feat . . . en&s=bsd

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lawton:

they were selling the SC430 for $300 last week

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lawton:

pretty nice server

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lawton:

but they disabled the video card slot

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

no good for HTPC

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lawton:

HTPC?

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mchou:

lawton: google

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hashbang:

mchou: where do you work at Intel?

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lawton:

home theater pc ok

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lawton:

sometimes your acronyms have like 5 meanings :)

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mchou:

hashbang: intel labs

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hashbang:

mchou: doing... ?

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lawton:

can you build a HTPC for $500?

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mchou:

hashbang: that's none of your business, frankly :)

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hashbang:

mchou: well, it is, seeing as you're using your employment status to confer credibility on what you're saying. You could be the cleaner at Intel labs, for all we know.

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mchou:

hashbang: but let's just say it's more than pertinent to the subject matter at hand

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hashbang:

(and I'm not planning on dobbing you in to your bosses – "someon doing X recommended on IRC that we all buy CPUs from your main competitor" :-)

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mchou:

hashbang: I'm not concerned about that at all

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mchou:

it has to do with academic integrity

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** hashbang should probably state for the record that he thinks AMD did a great job of catching Intel on the hop with the design of the Opteron, and that AMD's CPUs have nearly always given great price/performance. **

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lawton:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . p;pfp=BROWSE

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lawton:

what do you think of the sempron 3300?

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mchou:

lawton: where in CA you live?

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lawton:

it's the bottom of the line emachines

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lawton:

mchou: berkeley, why?

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mchou:

lawton: get a system from Frys

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lawton:

mchou: hrm

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lawton:

no car

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mchou:

beg borrow or steal

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lawton:

mchou: is that better than a deeply discounted Dell?

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mchou:

BART to fremont

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mchou:

lawton: I have my doubts. emachines are generally bad news

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

someone told me they're pretty reiable

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mchou:

buy an HP/Compaq from frys with monitor and printer for like $400 AR

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lawton:

but then who knows?

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JasonX:

anyone know a way so you can move the display window of mplayer up/down during playback

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lawton:

hrm don't need a printer just a monitor

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lawton:

HP/compaq beats dell?

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mchou:

HP/compaq mobos are made by foxconn

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lawton:

that's the same as dell

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mchou:

lawton: at frys when they are on sale they do :)

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mchou:

no, dell/compaq have AMD64

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lawton:

oh

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mchou:

s/dell/ho

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lawton:

i wanted intel though

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mchou:

hp*

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mchou:

you wanna intel go thru dell

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mchou:

lawton: dude, a few ppl have told you about virtues of AMD64. Why intel?

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lawton:

what's likely to go wrong with a dell?

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lawton:

well i guess i want a dual core

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mchou:

Heat, noise

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lawton:

really

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lawton:

hrm

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mchou:

AMD64 come dual core

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lawton:

how much moore heat and noise are we talking?

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hashbang:

lawton: of course, if you want to use the 64 bit extensions (whether EM64T or AMD), you'll need to have a 64 distro. And I'm pretty sure mplayer built with -m64 won't work with the win32 codec DLLs.

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lawton:

hrm

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mchou:

lawton: on my a64 I can hear my HDD seek. My intel sounds like the fucking airport

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lawton:

it's going to dual boot between linux and windows prolly

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lawton:

that bad eh?

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mchou:

I dont even know when my a64 is on or off most times

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lawton:

all because of the processor fan, mchou ?

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lawton:

that's amazing

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mchou:

I've turened it off by accident

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lawton:

what kind of AMD?

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hashbang:

lawton: you can get fanless heatsinks for both AMD and Intel, though.

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lawton:

why don't you go work for AMD? gee

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

doesn't sound like a good idea if intel gets that hot

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hashbang:

lawton: well, if the heatsink is correctly designed for the CPU, I'd say fanless is better, since it's one less thing that can go wrong.

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mchou:

and I got my intel "free"

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hashbang:

lawton: whereas a heatsink designed to rely upon a fan, /needs/ that fan working in order for it to perform to spec.

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mchou:

and I paid full retail for AMD :)

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lawton:

i wonder if dell would make me a nice fanless intel

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mchou:

lawton: forget about it

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lawton:

i heard all their cases were BTX

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's another strike

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lawton:

which is supposedly quieter and cooler

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mchou:

BTX

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lawton:

why?

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hashbang:

lawton: I don't think BTX has taken off at all.

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mchou:

what a joke

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hashbang:

lawton: BTX was only really appropriate for Prescott/NetBurst-type CPUs.

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lawton:

aren't BTX cases better in theory?

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mchou:

BTX was intel's solution to their heat problem

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lawton:

oh

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mchou:

solution in quotes

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hashbang:

lawton: me and mchou are agreeing, here. ;-)

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

BTX sucks eh?

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mchou:

what do you think?

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mchou:

:)

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lawton:

everyone i've talked to today says Dell sucks

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hashbang:

lawton: it doesn't so much suck, as cease to be necessary with Pentium M

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

i thought they were more standardized and stuff

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mchou:

Intel would have to pay me to use their procs for HTPC

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hashbang:

lawton: they're not great, and you can certainly build better yourself, if you try (whether AMD or Intel), but they're cheap and fairly solid. Moreso than your local Mom n' Pop shop will build you, probably.

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lawton:

or maybe tha's just marketing fluff

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mchou:

I think dells are fine

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lawton:

hashbang: would probably cost more than a Dell

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mchou:

my AMD64 is in a dell case

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lawton:

price is pretty important here

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hashbang:

lawton: these days, probably yes.

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mchou:

dell cases are well designed

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lawton:

really?

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mchou:

plus the plastic deadens sound

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hashbang:

lawton: I've built all but my very first PC. But the economics are pushing me to just buy a low-end Dell if I ever buy another.

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mchou:

dell cases have very good airflow and damping

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lawton:

so where does dell cut corners?

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mchou:

if dell sold AMD64 I'd buy one right away

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lawton:

i'm guessing it's the hard drives, ram and video

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mchou:

no questions asked

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hashbang:

lawton: shipping Windows machines with loads of unwanted software, each earning them a rebate.

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mchou:

dell doesnt cut much corners

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lawton:

really?

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hashbang:

lawton: other than that, nothing more than any other Tier 1 OEM.

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mchou:

they make it up on volume and their inet distribution model

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lawton:

hashbang: well i can just copy drivers off and wipe the drive

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mchou:

economies of scale

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hashbang:

lawton: yup – many Dell customers probably won't know how to do that, though. :-)

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lawton:

so the only place they cut corners is loading the drive up with crapware?

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mchou:

lawton: they cut psu corners

[10:35:32]

lawton:

some people say their machines are crap and fail a lot

[10:35:47]

mchou:

but their psus are NOT inadequate

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hashbang:

I'm still concerned about crappy electrolytic capacitors on the boards, but that's caught out IBM, HP, Asus, Gigabyte, Abit...

[10:35:51]

lawton:

should i upgrade for their PSU to be safe?

[10:36:09]

mchou:

unless you fully load their systems and upgrade vid card

[10:36:18]

hashbang:

lawton: well, depending on the board, the PSU may have an ATX power connector, but with a proprietary pinout.

[10:36:18]

lawton:

i'd be concerned the PSU will flake out and destroy the box

[10:36:51]

lawton:

hrm maybe i'll go dell then

[10:36:56]

mchou:

dell no longer uses proprietarty psus afaik

[10:37:00]

lawton:

only apprehension would be noise

[10:37:06]

mchou:

proprietary*

[10:37:11]

lawton:

noise and heat

[10:37:24]

hashbang:

mchou: yup, I think this was an old thing, and they got scolded for it at the time, so hopefully they've learnt their lesson.

[10:37:43]

hashbang:

mchou: but I wouldn't recommend upgrading PSUs in Dell machines without doing some research/testing first.

[10:37:46]

lawton:

is there a way to tell the processor to slow down when idle?

[10:38:02]

mchou:

lawton: yup

[10:38:13]

mchou:

that what speedstep is all about :)

[10:38:21]

lawton:

oh ok speedstep

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hashbang:

mchou: and PowerNow! on AMD

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hashbang:

mchou: hang on, we got that the wrong way round. :-)

[10:38:39]

lawton:

dell might be okay

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lawton:

better than emachines at any rate

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mchou:

dells aint ok for htpc

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hashbang:

mchou: I know SpeedStep's on Intel's mobile CPUs, and on Xeons – is it on their desktop CPUs yet?

[10:39:08]

lawton:

er it's not just an HTPC

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mchou:

trust me on this one

[10:39:14]

lawton:

it's also a file server

[10:39:23]

lawton:

and a sound editor

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mchou:

it aint even ok as a file server

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lawton:

why?

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mchou:

cause of the power consumption

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lawton:

oh

[10:39:56]

lawton:

how bad is it?

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fatmatt:

anyone running a system with 2 or 3 dvb cards?

[10:40:18]

lawton:

i mean with speedstep and all

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hashbang:

lawton: I wouldn't worry too much – my HTPC is built from a 4 year old Celeron. All I added was a bit of memory, a 300G disc, 2 Nova-T cards and a DVD-RW drive.

[10:40:27]

mchou:

compared to AMD64 I'd say easily close to 50W diff

[10:40:32]

hashbang:

fatmatt: 2xNova-T here.

[10:40:41]

hashbang:

fatmatt: and an analogue Bt878

[10:40:46]

lawton:

hashbang: well i need 1 pc to do all these jobs

[10:41:03]

lawton:

and well maybe i'd like to throw in a video card for an occasional game

[10:41:09]

lawton:

or not

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hashbang:

lawton: I bet even Dell's entry-level machine is good enough, these days.

[10:41:16]

mchou:

hashbang: this coming from someone who has no comprehension of quiet and low temps

[10:41:18]

lawton:

really

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fatmatt:

hashbang: what sort of motherboard do you have? I'm trying to find one that I can load up with pci cards, got one slot free on this one and if I use it the whole system craps out

[10:41:41]

lawton:

well i like quiet and cool

[10:41:42]

mchou:

lawton: forget about pentium man

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hashbang:

fatmatt: Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra, i845PE, from late 2002.

[10:42:00]

lawton:

it's that bad eh?

[10:42:01]

mchou:

it aint worth it for the noise and power

[10:42:19]

lawton:

isn't there a way to cut down ont the noise?

[10:42:23]

lawton:

stick it in a closet?

[10:42:37]

mchou:

not w/o spending more than you paid on the system

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

that's nutty

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hashbang:

lawton: loads of ways – zalman heatsinks, thermally-controlled fans where you must, etc. etc.

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mchou:

hashbang: lol

[10:43:13]

lawton:

how much do those things cost?

[10:43:18]

lawton:

cost is critical here

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mchou:

those fans cost almost as much as the CPU by itself

[10:43:23]

hashbang:

lawton: but you'll only get those if you a) self-build or b) buy from a boutique HTPC vendor.

[10:43:33]

lawton:

maybe that emachine sempron isn't so bad

[10:43:50]

mchou:

lawton: get a low end A64

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lawton:

mchou: hp/compaq?

[10:44:16]

lawton:

i heard HP was better than compaq

[10:44:17]

mchou:

only get the sempron if it has "CoolnQuiet" support

[10:44:35]

lawton:

last time i tried compaq it had some fussy proprietary chipsets

[10:44:38]

mchou:

some semprons dont have that

[10:44:45]

lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

all A64s have this feature?

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mchou:

>=3000+

[10:45:13]

lawton:

huh?

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hashbang:

mchou: current Semprons are based on A64, though.

[10:45:25]

mchou:

A64 3000+

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lawton:

a64 3000+s?

[10:45:29]

lawton:

oh ok

[10:45:51]

mchou:

hashbang: no. it's all luck of the draw

[10:46:40]

lawton:

so who else builds a64s or semprons with nice cases?

[10:46:51]

hashbang:

lawton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sempron

[10:46:53]

lawton:

and nice drive bays?

[10:46:58]

mchou:

lawton: you should really keep an eye open for those frys ads

[10:47:08]

lawton:

yep just checked

[10:47:13]

mchou:

lawton: they have them on say virtually every wk

[10:47:24]

hashbang:

lawton: I suspect the only way you'll get what you want, at a price you're prepared to pay, is self-build.

[10:47:29]

lawton:

mchou: compusa had a $200 compaq after rebate a few weeks ago

[10:47:34]

mchou:

screw self build

[10:47:47]

mchou:

it aint worth self build

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lawton:

i sorta think shoulda jumped on it now

[10:47:53]

hashbang:

e.g. silverstone case, or whatever.

[10:47:59]

mchou:

lol

[10:48:14]

mchou:

why anyone wants a silverstone is beyond me

[10:48:29]

hashbang:

aesthetics.

[10:48:30]

lawton:

are they the fancy aluminum cases?

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mchou:

no damping at all and lousy airflow

[10:48:59]

lawton:

apple builds nice cases for it's powerpcs

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lawton:

they're about 160

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hashbang:

personally, I'm just using the old server case I built that celeron in. I bought about getting a silverstone, but I couldn't be arsed to spend ~180GBP.

[10:49:31]

mchou:

hashbang: aesthetics?? silverstones are fugly

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mchou:

I havent found a PC case that passes aesthetics for less than $1K

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lawton:

huh

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mchou:

an that's not even taking into account airflow and damping

[10:51:17]

hashbang:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc16m.htm vs. http://sonic-bg.com/mods/wip/codegen9001/9001.gif

[10:51:19]

lawton:

get a powermac g5 case

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hashbang:

I know which one I'd choose if money was no object. :-)

[10:51:47]

mchou:

on the other hand, dell cases for $10 work really well

[10:52:07]

lawton:

dell cases are $10??

[10:52:11]

mchou:

plastic is a wonderful sound absorber

[10:52:17]

lawton:

where can you buy em?

[10:52:18]

mchou:

at surplus, yes

[10:53:02]

mchou:

aesthetics need improvement, but for $10 I can ive w/it :)

[10:53:06]

mchou:

live*

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mchou:

it's not like you need to make out with your case :)

[10:55:05]

lawton:

so where can you get these $10 cases?

[10:55:18]

lawton:

i guess it makes sense considering their system prices

[10:55:38]

lawton:

$10 for an XPS case is alright :)

[10:55:48]

mchou:

come down to silicon valley :)

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hashbang:

lawton: dell are something of an exception in that I think their cases are custom-made.

[10:56:10]

hashbang:

lawton: most OEMs, even some of the larger ones, just use cases from Chenbro or whoever.

[10:56:44]

hashbang:

mchou: I think Intel sell some cases to OEMs, too, right?

[10:57:05]

mchou:

hashbang: no, afaik

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mchou:

I've never seen intel sell cases

[10:57:25]

hashbang:

mchou: more on the server side, rather than the desktop.

[10:57:33]

mchou:

on servers, yes

[10:57:37]

mchou:

no desktop

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hashbang:

though I have seen some Intel-branded mini-desktop systems for sale at surplus.

[10:58:38]

hashbang:

no idea whether they were *really* Intel cases or not, though.

[10:58:43]

hashbang:

and that was a /long/ time ago.

[10:58:43]

mchou:

cant say I've seen those

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hashbang:

this would have been pre-1997.

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lawton:

hashbang: where is this surplus?

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mchou:

lawton: yeah, those XPS cases are great

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hashbang:

lawton: computer fairs, surplus specialists. I don't know any US-based vendors, but I know loads of UK-based ones.

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mchou:

those XPS cases were made by Palo Alto cases

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lawton:

oh

[11:00:40]

mchou:

http://www.paloaltoproducts.com/

[11:01:11]

hashbang:

http://developer.intel.com/products/i/server/ . . . 2300_big.jpg vs. http://www.viglen.co.uk/ImageGallery/Products . . . o-SX235L.gif

[11:01:27]

mchou:

http://www.pa-enclosures.com/products/

[11:01:45]

mchou:

those PA600's close to the bottom :)

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lawton:

hrm

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lawton:

i see the resemblense

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mchou:

I snap those up

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mchou:

too bad they only come beige

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mchou:

or gray or whatever

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lawton:

well it's been really interesting chatting

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lawton:

mchou: aren't you in cali too?

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mchou:

silicon valley man

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lawton:

nice

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lawton:

why are you up at 4am?

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mchou:

we dont have berkeley bowl

[11:06:02]

mchou:

insomnia

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lawton:

oh

[11:06:34]

lawton:

same here

[11:06:45]

mchou:

nor do we have Plearns Thai cuisine

[11:06:51]

lawton:

heh

[11:06:55]

lawton:

did you go to UCB?

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mchou:

nah

[11:07:05]

mchou:

Caltech

[11:07:12]

lawton:

how do you know berkeley so well?

[11:07:16]

mchou:

lol

[11:07:26]

mchou:

I dont know berkeley that well

[11:07:37]

mchou:

I'm just a foodie

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mchou:

:)

[11:07:57]

lawton:

heh

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mchou:

lawton: you at UCB?

[11:08:35]

lawton:

plearn is pretty good

[11:08:42]

lawton:

not really

[11:08:47]

lawton:

community college

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mchou:

lawton: if I lived in berkeley I would NEVE cook

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mchou:

NEVER*

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lawton:

considering transfering to UCB if i can get in

[11:09:05]

lawton:

heh

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mchou:

there is a cc in berkeley??

[11:09:11]

lawton:

it's expensive eating out here

[11:09:15]

lawton:

yup

[11:09:16]

mchou:

hell no

[11:09:21]

lawton:

vista college

[11:09:24]

lawton:

look it up

[11:09:28]

mchou:

berkeley eats are cheap

[11:09:39]

lawton:

maybe compared to your town :)

[11:09:52]

mchou:

lawton: no, compare to anywhere

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mchou:

I've been virtually everywhere for food

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lawton:

there are cheaper eats

[11:10:29]

lawton:

mostly in chinatown

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mchou:

bah

[11:10:38]

lawton:

san francisco

[11:10:39]

mchou:

chinatown

[11:10:47]

lawton:

you don't like chinese food?

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mchou:

that's a tourist trap

[11:10:54]

mchou:

no, I'm chinese

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lawton:

heh me too

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mchou:

I like chinese food

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mchou:

but not tourist goulash

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mchou:

I kid you not, if there is a better thain joint in the bay area, I havent found it

[11:12:17]

mchou:

thai*

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lawton:

oakland chinatown isn't so touristy

[11:12:57]

mchou:

nah, I get better chines food by cupertino

[11:13:03]

mchou:

chinese*

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lawton:

you lagg man

[11:13:25]

lawton:

erf

[11:13:26]

mchou:

huh??

[11:13:33]

lawton:

i mean i lag

[11:13:42]

lawton:

and can't complete my sentences :)

[11:14:10]

lawton:

hrm

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mchou:

lawton: I'm telling you, enjoy the food in berkeley b4 you move out of there

[11:14:43]

lawton:

so you've found plearn to be the best food?

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Hoxzer:

What programming language is used to code mythtv?

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mchou:

best thai

[11:15:01]

mchou:

not best food

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lawton:

what's your overall favorite then?

[11:15:22]

mchou:

even plearns can get uneven most times

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mchou:

lawton: french laundry up in sonoma county

[11:16:15]

mchou:

plan your reservations >1yr in advance

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lawton:

oh

[11:16:20]

laga:

Hoxzer: c++ iirc

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Hoxzer:

k

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lawton:

man that place is like $500 bucks

[11:16:42]

mchou:

lawton: then you know what I mean :)

[11:16:43]

lawton:

that's the one where people save their bill right?

[11:16:48]

lawton:

never had the pleasure

[11:17:33]

lawton:

maybe if i get a job at intel after graduating i'll try it ;)

[11:17:40]

mchou:

hehe

[11:18:47]

lawton:

i wonder if intel will manage to produce cooler quieter chips for apple

[11:18:52]

mchou:

lawton: anyways, what would you be interesting in studing at UCB?

[11:19:26]

lawton:

mchou: dunno, i'm most interested in broadcast media

[11:19:29]

mchou:

I dont know if I could have handled UCB as an undergrad

[11:19:42]

mchou:

that place is way too impersonal

[11:19:46]

lawton:

i like computers too, but not as much

[11:19:49]

lawton:

yeah it is

[11:19:58]

lawton:

i guess ppl don't really know that going in

[11:20:03]

lawton:

just the school's rep

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mchou:

like classes with 500 kids

[11:20:17]

lawton:

caltech was friendlier?

[11:20:29]

mchou:

my classes at Caltech had 30 ppl max :)

[11:20:43]

lawton:

wow not bad

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laga:

uh, what's UCB? ;)

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mchou:

friendly is not a word I'd use to characterize Caltech

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lawton:

laga: a school

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laga:

oh, ok

[11:21:23]

stuarta:

laga: read up on the history of BSD unix

[11:21:23]

lawton:

mchou: heh it's an all engineering + sciences school right?

[11:21:36]

mchou:

lawton: yeah, hardcore

[11:21:50]

mchou:

humanities depart was token :)

[11:21:54]

lawton:

yeah, i don't think that's for me

[11:22:01]

lawton:

i wonder if i could work at apple

[11:22:03]

stuarta:

mchou: something to look at?

[11:22:11]

mchou:

stuarta: huh??

[11:22:16]

lawton:

apple does some nice stuff

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stuarta:

the humanities students...

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mchou:

there were no humanities students

[11:22:45]

mchou:

only faculty

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stuarta:

that's useless.

[11:23:11]

mchou:

and only the humanities faculty were "cute"

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lawton:

did they even offer the major?

[11:23:29]

mchou:

yup

[11:23:34]

lawton:

haha

[11:23:44]

mchou:

but everyone knew humanities major was a joke

[11:24:01]

lawton:

i guess they had to

[11:24:15]

mchou:

econ was part of humanities, but all they taught in there was game theory

[11:24:26]

lawton:

it'd be like going to a liberal arts college for engineering

[11:24:28]

mchou:

more hardcore than the math dept :)

[11:24:40]

lawton:

game theory?

[11:24:42]

lawton:

sounds fun

[11:25:00]

mchou:

game theory is not even a mathematicians idea of fun

[11:25:10]

mchou:

it's pretty hardcore

[11:25:19]

lawton:

as in computer games?

[11:25:45]

mchou:

lawton: no, as in optimization theory and the like

[11:25:55]

mchou:

back then we didnt have computers :)

[11:26:05]

lawton:

hm

[11:26:10]

mchou:

j/k

[11:26:12]

lawton:

sounds old school

[11:26:17]

mchou:

about the computers bit

[11:26:38]

mchou:

but we werent allowed to use computers for econ

[11:27:17]

mchou:

only if you wanted to study bidding dynamics and so on

[11:27:47]

lawton:

let me guess, abacus?

[11:27:58]

lawton:

hmm

[11:28:01]

mchou:

no, paper and pencil + brain

[11:28:05]

mchou:

:)

[11:28:15]

mchou:

it's all abstract math

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mchou:

abacus wasnt going to help you

[11:29:32]

mchou:

it was only when I left that the applied math dept started offering courses in computational mathematics

[11:30:05]

mchou:

way after Mathematica became a "proven" commercial product

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mchou:

they finally retired all the profs that though computers were garbage in/garbage out :)

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mchou:

thought*

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mchou:

does UCB have a good school for communications?

[11:32:59]

lawton:

not really

[11:33:03]

mchou:

lol

[11:33:04]

lawton:

sf state has a better one

[11:33:13]

lawton:

UCB is all theory no practice

[11:33:29]

mchou:

yeah, UCB is pretty hardcore

[11:33:33]

lawton:

i think their engineering and comp sci stuff is good

[11:33:50]

lawton:

a lot of their humanities is a pain

[11:33:52]

mchou:

SFSU has good communications dept?

[11:33:57]

lawton:

yeah

[11:34:04]

lawton:

though underfunded

[11:34:12]

mchou:

I thought all SFSU had was medical :)

[11:34:21]

lawton:

that's USF :)

[11:34:28]

mchou:

oh, yeah :)

[11:34:43]

lawton:

http://dealnews.com/deals/HP-Compaq-Presario- . . . /107020.html

[11:34:52]

lawton:

that's the deal i should have gotten

[11:35:17]

lawton:

hell the xp home license is 80 bucks alone

[11:35:17]

mchou:

wow, that's a good deal

[11:35:53]

mchou:

frys has that system, but not at that price

[11:36:25]

mchou:

256M ram is a joke

[11:36:47]

mchou:

they cut norner there

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mchou:

corner*

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lawton:

too bad it's long gone

[11:37:05]

lawton:

ram is cheap

[11:37:08]

mchou:

yeah

[11:37:18]

mchou:

it will come around again

[11:37:43]

lawton:

eh if i wait long enough

[11:38:01]

lawton:

perhaps i should just order something from costco

[11:38:40]

mchou:

hell no

[11:38:54]

mchou:

costco is not good place for electronics

[11:39:04]

mchou:

not competitive in $

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mchou:

good warranty though

[11:40:08]

lawton:

true

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lawton:

but you can use it for 5 months or so

[11:40:26]

lawton:

and bring it back if it doesn't work out :)

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mchou:

that's more trouble than it's worth

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lawton:

not that i would condone that :)

[11:40:54]

lawton:

true

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lawton:

it is a pain in the ass

[11:41:23]

mchou:

you'd have to install your own HDD

[11:41:29]

lawton:

that's easy

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lawton:

the thing is computers are worth nothing in 2 years basically

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mchou:

yup

[11:42:06]

lawton:

so i'm loath to invest too much in em

[11:42:09]

mchou:

you have to pay to get rid of them

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lawton:

yeah or donate em to accrc

[11:44:48]

mchou:

I think that comp isnt bad even at $370 (price now on compusa)

[11:45:15]

mchou:

but I've seen it at frys for that price incl. monitor & printer

[11:46:04]

lawton:

hrm

[11:46:10]

lawton:

i guess i'd wait

[11:46:28]

lawton:

i saw something like it a few weeks ago for 200 AR

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mchou:

no doubt

[11:49:01]

lawton:

oh well

[11:49:17]

lawton:

well i really got to get to bed, way past bedtime again

[11:49:29]

lawton:

are you around here much?

[11:49:29]

mchou:

heh

[11:49:41]

mchou:

depends

[11:50:09]

lawton:

oh

[11:50:13]

lawton:

on what?

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mchou:

on my isomnia

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lawton:

heh

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mchou:

I saw "the Mechanic" the other day on video

[11:51:22]

lawton:

well i idle on irc a lot, usually #hardware

[11:51:32]

lawton:

on freenode

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mchou:

that's what I feel like, havent slept in a year

[11:52:02]

mchou:

good thing I dont work near heavy machinery

[11:52:23]

lawton:

yeah, just don't sneeze on a big stack of wafers :)

[11:52:44]

mchou:

I dont need to go anywhere near a clean room

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mchou:

thank goodness for that

[11:53:07]

lawton:

that's probably a good thing

[11:53:11]

lawton:

they're pretty toxic i hear

[11:53:34]

mchou:

nah, they are good for ppl with allergies

[11:53:42]

lawton:

are you serious?

[11:53:52]

mchou:

all those ppl with hay fever love working in them

[11:53:59]

lawton:

wow

[11:54:08]

lawton:

well i guess no particles

[11:54:18]

mchou:

yeah, more or less

[11:54:56]

mchou:

why are you hanging in #hw if you want to buy intel??

[11:55:05]

lawton:

have you really not slept in a year?

[11:55:09]

mchou:

now

[11:55:09]

lawton:

why?

[11:55:14]

lawton:

are they all pro-amd?

[11:55:19]

mchou:

no, I sleep every day

[11:55:22]

lawton:

oh

[11:55:33]

mchou:

it's just feels like I havent slept in a year

[11:55:38]

lawton:

heh

[11:55:41]

lawton:

same here

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lawton:

my average bedtime is pretty late though

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mchou:

check out that movie when you get a chance

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mchou:

the guy who played batman in batman begins is in that

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lawton:

the one with charles bronson?

[11:56:43]

mchou:

pretty good acting job

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lawton:

1972?

[11:56:47]

** kazan waves **

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mchou:

huh??

[11:57:03]

mchou:

no bat man begins from 2? yrs ago

[11:57:07]

lawton:

i'm looking at imdb

[11:57:13]

lawton:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068931/

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mchou:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0372784

[11:59:21]

lawton:

oh you mean the mechanist

[11:59:22]

lawton:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0361862/

[11:59:37]

mchou:

yeah, sorry, messed up the title

[11:59:58]

lawton:

that makes more sense

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lawton:

looks scary

[12:00:06]

lawton:

anyway, goodnight!

[12:00:12]

mchou:

nah, not that scary

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mchou:

later

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SarahEmm:

meow

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Codeman|:

hallo

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SarahEmm:

hihi Codeman|

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CodemanPE:

huhu

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Zider:

does tv-cards usually have video-out capabilities as well?

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Hoxzer:

no :)

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Zider:

damn..

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laga:

Zider: check the pvr 350

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Zider:

can't afford that much :/

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stuarta:

what is with Uwe Bugla? I've never seen so many unfounded rants & character assassinations from one person

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stuarta:

(numerous threads on linux-dvb if anyone cares)

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Juski:

stuarta: my guess would be some kind of major character defect ;-)

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stuarta:

needs to be locked up or shot.

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SarahEmm:

anyone here running a PVR-250/350 with myth 0.19 and have a sec to test something for me?

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Cromz:

probily some lonely kid hiding behind a computer screen that feels they can say anything and belittle whoever they want to feel better about themselfs

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Cromz:

SarahEmm, I have 2 pvr350's ;) and fc3smp

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stuarta:

sounds about right. can't string a coherent sentence together

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SarahEmm:

Cromz: with .19?

[13:15:12]

Cromz:

SarahEmm, yes

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SarahEmm:

Cromz: have a sec to go into Live TV then hit T and see if you get captions?

[13:15:28]

SarahEmm:

that was supposed to have been added in .19

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SarahEmm:

if it is, i'll go buy a 250 to replace my bttv card...

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Cromz:

k lemme look.

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SarahEmm:

thanks

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Juski:

CC might even work on the pvr150 eventually

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SarahEmm:

that'd rock

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SarahEmm:

but it doesn't now

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SarahEmm:

i own a -500 i was playing with, but it's not much good currently because there's no CC support on it

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Juski:

yeh but once upon a time it didn't work at all

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Cromz:

CC/TXT enabled

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SarahEmm:

there wasn't on the 250/350 until now either, so i'm running bttv with mpeg4

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SarahEmm:

Cromz: does it actually work?

[13:16:38]

SarahEmm:

Cromz: err, first off, are you in NTSC-area?

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Cromz:

but I dont see'em.. maybe the channel doesn't show heh

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Cromz:

yeah NTSC

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SarahEmm:

Cromz: can you flip around a bit and see if you get them anywhere?

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SarahEmm:

Juski: it's worked on software encoding bttv cards for years

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SarahEmm:

Juski: which is why i'm stuck using one tuner, i can't handle multiple MPEG4 encodings..

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Cromz:

on the side the osd shows cc: ?

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SarahEmm:

Cromz: what?

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Cromz:

it's not showing it. looks like its going to. but I dont see it.

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SarahEmm:

hrm.

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SarahEmm:

on any channel?

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Cromz:

nope.. when that cc: ? shows I can enter a number like which cc I want it to show. but none show. I may have somethgin not set right for it.

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SarahEmm:

hrm.

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SarahEmm:

alright....

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SarahEmm:

my debate on whether to buy a 250 continues then hehe :)

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SarahEmm:

thanks for the help :)

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** kazan waves to everyone **

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kazan:

video codecs boggle my mind – i turned up the bitrate on my mpeg4 from 1200 to 1600, turned up the quality settings to max 2, min 8, maxdiff 2 – I got better quality, but also smaller files

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SarahEmm:

uhh...

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SarahEmm:

bitrate raised should.. err... raise the bitrate tho

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kazan:

variable bitrate encoding :P

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Juski:

kazan: stop whining

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Juski:

:-P

[13:25:15]

kazan:

juski: i'm not whining! :P

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kazan:

i know use about 300megs/hour on recordings off my bttv card

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kazan:

that gives me like 400 hours worth of storage

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Juski:

could erm.. someone using SVN please try my projectgrayhem theme out to see if it works? I have one report of it not wokring properly

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stuarta:

Juski: was working with svn from 3 days ago

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stuarta:

but it's been a busy 3 days....

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Juski:

stuarta: that's fine – xris was saying it was all screwed with the new opengl stuff

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Juski:

then I went off to try & find out why that might be, not having a working svn install at home

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Juski:

couldn't find anything :-/

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kazan|work:

oh gnoes!!!! microsoft is going to disable their new Wizzbang-flashy-fisherpricetoy-UI if they detect you pirated your copy of windows

[13:35:49]

kazan|work:

oh gnoes!!

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stuarta:

kazan|work: DILLIGAF!

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kazan|work:

dilligaf?

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stuarta:

Do I Look Like I Give A Firetruck

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Juski:

oh no! I just stumbled on a document that tells me how much the firm I work for spent on racing car events in 2006 ! So that's why budgets haven't hit target & we won't be getting a bonus this year!

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Juski:

travelling by helicopter is cheaper than I thought it would be, though

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kazan|work:

lol juski

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kazan|work:

are you serious?

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Juski:

deadly serious

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Juski:

£1.8m spent so far this year

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kazan|work:

your company paid for people in it to go to race car events... holy shit dude

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kazan|work:

where the fuck is your CFO?

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Juski:

mostly managers & customers

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kazan|work:

i repeat: where the fuck if your CFO

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stuarta:

it's called a sales jolly

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stuarta:

i'd say the CFO was there drinking beer...

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mchou:

Juski: sponsored any Republican politicans lately?

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mchou:

:)

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Juski:

CEO was competing

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Juski:

!

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mchou:

haha!!

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Juski:

so we're paying for the running of the car & everything

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mchou:

Is this company public?

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** kazan|work grumbles **

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** kazan|work has to do something on our stupid windows server **

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Juski:

no, all private

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** kazan|work grumbles about legacy applications **

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mchou:

Juski: heh, then he's allowed

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Juski:

allowed wouldn't be a word I'd use ;-)

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mchou:

Juski: probably writes them off on taxes too

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kazan|work:

aye

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stuarta:

no other point to having your own company....

[13:47:04]

mchou:

stuarta: exactly

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Juski:

well, rumour has it that things aren't going too well. er.. not exactly rumour. someone left the group P&L figures on the laser printer last night

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mchou:

haha!!

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Juski:

AGAIN

[13:48:51]

mchou:

some ppl are disgruntled

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Beirdo:

you found it when you went to pick up the 20 copies of your resume?

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Juski:

some ppl are gonna be taking time off to go to agency interviews after easter I think

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mchou:

"The latest escalation in the pharmacy wars: Pharmacists are refusing to fill prescriptions for vitamins and antibiotics simply because they come from a women?s health clinic that performs abortions."

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stuarta:

I still don't no what I'm doing after they cancelled all my projects...

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Juski:

oh god no – not the pro-lifers!

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stuarta:

s/no/know/

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mchou:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=31667

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Juski:

they're so pro-life they murder doctors who perform abortions :-/

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mchou:

Welcome to Jususland

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mchou:

Jesusland*

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Juski:

I'd call that a dichotomy & a half

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Juski:

never mind – when Bush nukes Iran...

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mchou:

the funny thing is, you need prescriptions for vitamins??

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mchou:

that's a bit of a stretch

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laga:

mchou: maybe to have helath insurance pay for it.

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mchou:

laga: well, I suppose that might be possible

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mchou:

the detailed seattle article does not mention vitamins

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mchou:

though

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Juski:

on a happy ( though even more OT) note how close do you need to be to a nuke explosion to be killed in an instant? :-)

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mchou:

lol

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Beirdo:

fly to Tehran and find out

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mchou:

I'd rather die earlier than later if that's the case

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mchou:

radiation poisoning is no fun

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Juski:

I hope I live near enough to a target, is all ;-)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the ONE time that the right to bear arms makes sense to me.

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mchou:

huh??

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Beirdo:

you get radiation poisoning, you die of fatal lead poisoning... BLAM!

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Juski:

bear the rest of you too – get the best all-over suntan

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mchou:

you wont be able to squeeze the trigger cause your fingers are gone

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Beirdo:

that's what friends are for

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mchou:

lol

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SarahEmm:

hiya Beirdo, ,ltns :)

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mchou:

your friends would be in the same sad shape

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Juski:

with friends like that, who needs enemas

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Beirdo:

heya, SarahEmm

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laga:

get an automatic gun turret hooked up to a geiger counter

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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mchou:

yeah, but then aim becomes an issue

[13:58:36]

Beirdo:

radiation gets too high, sweep the neighborhood with rapid fire?

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Beirdo:

that sounds like fun

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mchou:

you might miss

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Juski:

they're not Geiger counters anymore. wasn't Geiger a Nazi?

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Beirdo:

who cares?

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kazan|work:

mchou: these "i'm christian, and you better be too! (or else)" people piss mee off

[13:59:03]

mchou:

So was Heisenberg

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kazan|work:

[08:50] <Juski> they're so pro-life they murder doctors who perform abortions :-/ <=== it's not terrorism when christians do it

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Juski:

ahh, right. that's ok then

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kazan|work:

speaking of nuclear targets

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** kazan|work grew up in Cedar Rapids, Iowa – you wouldn't think it would have been a target for the russians, but it was 7th on their strategic targets list – because of Rockwell Collins and the DUAC (nuclear power plant) **

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** laga fscking hates those hypocritical christians **

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Juski:

are the folks in the USA ever gonna change the spelling of that to match the way they say it? NUKULAR

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kazan|work:

laga i got you beat

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laga:

Juski: you can't do that to poor ethymology :/

[14:01:33]

** kazan|work hates religion. **

[14:01:42]

laga:

kazan|work: so do i.

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mchou:

This was from a bumper sticker: "Bush/Jesus '04 Apocalypse Now!"

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Juski:

it has its uses ;-)

[14:02:31]

mchou:

guess that might be coming to pass soon

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kazan|work:

my mother was pissing me off the other day – my brother is going to be a dad and he's going to name his daughter Ceridwyn (a ancient name from the northern european history and mythology books he reads) and my mother has the arrogance to say "well it can be turned into a christian name" in front of my fiancee and I [my brother and his wife naturally not being present]

[14:02:53]

kazan|work:

Jesus would have severely disliked bush

[14:02:58]

kazan|work:

Jeebus was a hippy

[14:03:22]

** kazan|work is atheist **

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mchou:

Jeebus?? Is that that the son of Jesus and Bush?

[14:03:26]

** kazan|work 's fiancee is atheist **

[14:03:30]

** kazan|work 's brother is atheist **

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mchou:

:)

[14:03:47]

** kazan|work 's brother's wife is a wiccan/neopagan (haha not for long living with my brother!) **

[14:05:21]

mchou:

cant we all just get along? :)

[14:05:28]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[14:06:12]

GreyFoxx:

Religion.... the opiate of the masses. Just like porn

[14:06:48]

Juski:

laga: anyway, Ethel who?

[14:07:47]

kazan|work:

except for porn doesn't rot your mind

[14:08:03]

Beirdo:

nice try, kazan|work

[14:08:49]

kazan|work:

try? haha

[14:08:54]

laga:

Juski: ethel who who?

[14:09:07]

laga:

porn rotted my mind pretty well. :P

[14:09:27]

kazan|work:

diverting blood flow from the brain temporarily does not constitute brain rot :D

[14:09:35]

mchou:

haha!!

[14:09:53]

mchou:

Robin Williams joke

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kazan|work:

is it really?

[14:10:04]

mchou:

yup

[14:10:07]

kazan|work:

never heard him tell it

[14:10:24]

mchou:

Riobin Williams Live on Broadway

[14:10:37]

mchou:

rent the video sometime

[14:11:05]

kazan|work:

anyone know anything about coldfusion (cfm)

[14:11:12]

** kazan|work feels dirty having to maintain these legacy apps **

[14:11:33]

mchou:

my favorite " You never hear Bush speak while Cheney is drinking"

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kazan|work:

lol

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mchou:

"Check it out, man!"

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cg:

How do i get a diseqc to work??

[14:13:57]

GreyFoxx:

ls -la

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GreyFoxx:

oops

[14:14:13]

SarahEmm:

ostrich.txt emu.dat rhea.c

[14:14:17]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Beirdo:

cg: wouldn't that be more a #dvb question?

[14:14:26]

GreyFoxx:

-la ;)

[14:14:31]

SarahEmm:

doh! ;)

[14:14:47]

cg:

could be, i am on the dvb channel too

[14:14:54]

SarahEmm:

drwxr-xr-x 4 greyfoxx users 72 emu

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GreyFoxx:

ehh

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kazan|work:

columbus crew has to have the shittiest GK in the freaking league

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Juski:

is it beer time yet?

[14:51:08]

RaYmAn-Bx:

isn't it always? :P

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stuarta:

it was at 12.30pm

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kazan|work:

so the mythtv wiki refers you to another page for nuvexport documentation

[14:51:55]

kazan|work:

but that page doesn't HAVE it

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stuarta:

it definitely beer o'clock now....

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rtsai:

what's a good "do this when I see this in the logfiles" program? I don't like swatch

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rtsai:

going through my aptitude logs, I apparently didn't like logwatch either

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Zider:

logsentry?

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rtsai:

what's what? It's not in the breezy repos

[15:49:17]

Zider:

it's a log supervisor thingie.. alerts you when certain stuff happens

[15:50:01]

** rtsai looking at sourceforge ... **

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psymin:

Zider: Is it by the same ppl who make portsentry?

[15:50:18]

Zider:

psymin: I believe so yes

[15:50:39]

psymin:

I heard that cisco bought psionic software .. wacky

[15:52:26]

rtsai:

Zider: do you use it?

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Zider:

rtsai: not right now, but I used to before reinstalling last time.. haven't really had any use for it lately..

[15:53:16]

** kazan|work takes a shotgun to the win2k3 server and it's damn coldfusion **

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rtsai:

Zider: is it strictly alert-based, or can I also program it to do stuff besides send me spam?

[15:58:44]

rtsai:

(without forcing me to set up procmail rules)

[15:59:02]

rtsai:

I wan tto start automatically adding iptables rules when I see hack attempts in my apache logs

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mchou:

rtsai: why is cisco psionic acquisition "weird?"

[16:00:26]

levander`:

Somebody can tell what photo album software is being used on: http://www.denyerec.co.uk/ ?

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[16:03:23]

Zider:

rtsai: it can be quite customizable if memory serves

[16:03:41]

Zider:

rtsai: I had it popping up a message requester in X whenever it saw ssh logins

[16:04:58]

psymin:

levander: Maybe 'gallery' .. I don't know much about it though.

[16:05:19]

mchou:

psymin: nah, that's not Gallery

[16:05:27]

levander:

psymin: that's what i was thinking, but the URL is /gallery.php, my gallery install is /gallery/main.php

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levander:

of course, i'm running gallery2, maybe that's gallery 1, i don't know

[16:06:05]

mchou:

levander: why dont you contact the dude and find out?

[16:06:16]

levander:

mchou: he was in here last night, i asked, he ignored

[16:06:24]

levander:

i did just email him on his web site though

[16:06:37]

levander:

he actually left a few minutes after i asked

[16:06:45]

levander:

almost wonder if he doesn't want people to know...

[16:06:47]

levander:

but who knows

[16:06:50]

mchou:

levander: what was his handle?

[16:06:58]

levander:

denyerc

[16:07:03]

levander:

same as in the URL

[16:07:08]

mchou:

ok

[16:07:25]

mchou:

maybe it's a windows app :)

[16:07:54]

mchou:

maybe that's why he didnt want ppl to know :)

[16:09:40]

levander:

there should be an http header that web app author can populate to advertise their product

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kazan|work:

i'm betting that's custom embedded into his cms

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levander:

kazan|work: yeah, probably, it does look like he, or whoever did his web site, knows web development

[16:10:57]

kazan|work:

Powered by WordPress

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mchou:

levander: try iPAP from rebelpixel.com

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levander:

iPAP?

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levander:

for what purpose am I suppose to try iPAP? it just looks like another blog

[16:20:50]

mchou:

dude, look it up on the site

[16:21:05]

levander:

look what up on the site?

[16:21:15]

mchou:

godamn

[16:21:24]

mchou:

look at what I wrote

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psymin:

s/d/dd/

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levander:

mchou: you've had enough to drink, you've stopped making sense

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levander:

put down the bottle

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mchou:

levander: you're apparently to dumb to look it up

[16:22:26]

mchou:

s/to/too

[16:22:31]

levander:

and, you're kind of an angry drunk

[16:22:35]

levander:

put down the bottle!

[16:22:40]

mchou:

right

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mchou:

no good deed goes unpunished

[16:23:16]

laga:

keep drinking. user support makes you need (and deserve) it.

[16:23:30]

mchou:

levander: try figuring out what the acronym PAP stands for

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levander:

mchou: ah, okay, i'm supposed to look up PAP

[16:23:53]

Zider:

Paper-Aggregated Punch

[16:23:57]

mchou:

levander: no fool

[16:23:58]

Zider:

;)

[16:24:24]

mchou:

fscking dumbass

[16:24:41]

levander:

mchou: you seem very angry

[16:25:04]

mchou:

right. keep trying :)

[16:25:16]

mchou:

mental midget

[16:25:35]

Zider:

metal mullet midgets <3

[16:25:40]

levander:

okay, you're not the least bit flustered

[16:25:54]

laga:

hey, play nice now

[16:26:13]

levander:

laga: i think it's best just to let em get it out of their system

[16:26:21]

levander:

it's dangerous for them to bottle that shit up

[16:26:25]

levander:

gotta let them vent

[16:26:41]

mchou:

levander: you mean let out your IQ of 3?

[16:26:49]

mchou:

hehe

[16:27:22]

Zider:

speaking of which, I'm doing a catscan next month. :D

[16:27:30]

Zider:

I wonder what they'll find in there

[16:27:32]

Zider:

if anything

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Zider:

(and no, they are not gonan scan my cat :P )

[16:28:16]

Zider:

I know what iPAP is now :D

[16:28:36]

Zider:

me so SMRT

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[16:28:58]

Zider:

and yes, I'm a bit overenergetic today

[16:29:00]

mchou:

Zider: took you long enough :)

[16:29:10]

Zider:

mchou: I'm not the one needing the project :)

[16:29:21]

mchou:

Zider: my point exactly :)

[16:29:24]

Zider:

mchou: also, my laptop is swapping the heck out of my hdd

[16:29:45]

Zider:

all swap and no free ram makes laptop a dull machine

[16:29:58]

mchou:

Zider: let's see if mr mental midget gets it :)

[16:30:16]

Zider:

mchou: noo, metal mullet midget! much cooler

[16:30:32]

psymin:

levander: that site is the only one returned when searching google for inurl:gallery.php inurl:gid inurl:parent

[16:30:43]

mchou:

ok, m^3

[16:31:20]

Zider:

mchou: ever seen one? ;)

[16:31:48]

mchou:

levander: now I know why denyerc ignored you

[16:33:12]

levander:

mchou: why did he ignore me?

[16:33:41]

mchou:

levander: take a swag, meinstein

[16:34:11]

levander:

psymin: yeah, it's no doubt something custom written..

[16:34:19]

psymin:

or modified

[16:34:28]

Zider:

levander: did you find iPAP?

[16:34:35]

levander:

Zider: yeah, thanks

[16:34:49]

Zider:

I didn't point it out

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Zider:

but you're, uh, welcome :D

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mchou:

hehe

[16:35:15]

** Zider takes full credits **

[16:35:16]

Zider:

;)

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mchou:

Zider: love how you have to spoonfeed idiots these days

[16:37:20]

Zider:

mchou: I'm getting used to it.. and they are getting used to being ridiculed by me ;)

[16:37:32]

mchou:

pshaw

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levander:

mchou: are you still angry?

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Zider:

mchou: especially when you've worked with repairing peoples computers.. :P

[16:37:59]

mchou:

levander: is "angry" the only word in your vocab?

[16:38:13]

levander:

mchou: when it's the most descriptive, yes

[16:38:34]

mchou:

levander: at least try to entertain me with a witty reply

[16:39:08]

levander:

i prefer to sit back and watch the show

[16:39:35]

Zider:

mchou: I have actually met people dumb enough to think that the bag a brand new mouse is placed in is a dust cover, not to be removed before use.. :P

[16:39:40]

mchou:

at least prove me wrong about your IQ being ~3

[16:40:05]

mchou:

Zider: haha!!

[16:40:26]

mchou:

Zider: must be good on those ball mice :)

[16:40:46]

mchou:

keep them rollers clean :)

[16:40:54]

Zider:

mchou: one computer that came in had the cpu socket covered in cooling paste, but none between cpu and heatsink..

[16:41:03]

Zider:

..that system didn't wuite work

[16:41:06]

Zider:

quite

[16:41:12]

mchou:

haha!!

[16:41:23]

mchou:

I'm surprised it worked at all

[16:41:55]

Zider:

well, the cooling paste didn't lead any electricity.. and the cpu was a P4, so it survived the heat..

[16:42:13]

mchou:

levander: you're probably one of those ppl who burns up the whole house then the recipe calls for "grease the bottom of the pan" :)

[16:42:27]

mchou:

s/then/when

[16:42:40]

Zider:

my bottom is greased

[16:42:43]

Zider:

...I mean..

[16:42:53]

Zider:

the bottom of my pan.. ;P

[16:43:28]

Zider:

hm.. shouldn't had that last cup of coffee.. :P

[16:45:12]

mchou:

Zider: your cpu paste inspired that last retort :)

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Zider:

mchou: I had one customer that refused to upgrade his 486DX PC when doing the long overdue upgrade to windows XP.. :P

[16:47:41]

mchou:

Zider: that was a smart decision :)

[16:48:07]

Zider:

"hey, my 486 is just recently bought!"

[16:48:09]

Zider:

riiiiight

[16:48:47]

mchou:

man 486s are in museums these days

[16:49:04]

Zider:

no, the scrap heap :P

[16:49:25]

Zider:

thewy are too old to be of use and too new to be on museum :)

[16:49:28]

Zider:

-w

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Merlin83b:

+grammar

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Zider:

-speling

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Zider:

;)

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Chicago:

Does anybody have closed captioning working when you press "t" during watching livetv?

[16:53:19]

levander:

Chicago: i press 'CC' for it

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Chicago:

is that on your remote control?

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Ruis:

so I've got a pvr500 that's got the problem with the first tuner getting a very weak signal. anyone heard of a resolution to this? is it a hardware or software problem? should I send it back and get two pvr150s?

[16:57:20]

mchou:

Ruis: either the board is broken or you have a bad connection

[16:57:43]

Ruis:

it's not a bad connection. it uses the same connection for both tuners, and tuner 2 works perfectly.

[16:57:48]

mchou:

the borad has an internal splitter, iirc

[16:57:49]

Ruis:

tuner 1 is fuzzy

[16:57:57]

mchou:

board*

[16:58:12]

Ruis:

oh. so if that splitter is bad, then I should rma the board. should I just be safe and get two 150s?

[16:58:27]

Chicago:

Ruis: do you have i2c control turned on in your kernel?

[16:58:30]

Ruis:

it sounds like there have been quite a few people with this problem.

[16:58:38]

mchou:

Ruis: that depends on how many PCI slots you have free

[16:58:39]

Ruis:

Chicago, yes.

[16:58:51]

Chicago:

Ruis: bit-banging interfaces enabled?

[16:59:09]

Ruis:

Chicago, i don't know what that is.

[16:59:36]

mchou:

Ruis: that's a kernel option

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Ruis:

can I turn that on without recompiling the kernel?

[17:00:14]

mchou:

doubtful

[17:00:27]

mchou:

needs to be compiled

[17:00:35]

Ruis:

well i'm at work, and don't have access to the box to check right now. when I get home, how do I check?

[17:00:51]

Chicago:

Somewhere along the way with my pvr-500, something made me build it in. Then, with later 2.6.14 kernel, sometimes it looks line it's automatically on... because it shows up with --- instead of <*> or <M>

[17:01:20]

mchou:

zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i bit

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rupy:

Lo all

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Ruis:

mchou, thanks. i'll try that.

[17:02:34]

rupy:

Sorry if this is a daft question, but how do I check if my box has picked up the tv card?

[17:02:43]

rupy:

Box is running Ubuntu

[17:02:45]

Chicago:

rupy: dmesg

[17:02:50]

rupy:

thanks chicago

[17:03:01]

Chicago:

rupy: dmesg > dmesg.txt

[17:03:11]

mchou:

forget dmesg

[17:03:18]

mchou:

check /dev/v4l

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rupy:

another dumb question, how do i pause the screen on each full screen scroll

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psymin:

rupy: dmesg | less

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rupy:

cool! thanks guys

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rupy:

doing something silly here again i think – cant find anything "v4l" under dev ?

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mchou:

then most likely the tuners and recognized

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rupy:

cool :)

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mchou:

s/and/arent

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rupy:

oh damn :(

[17:07:31]

rupy:

hehe

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rupy:

hmm, time to hit the docs again

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mchou:

you can also try lspci

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rupy:

thanks for bearing with me guys, this is basically my second time using nix

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rupy:

hmm, dont see any lspci either

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rupy:

its a winfast PVR 350

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mchou:

huh???

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rupy:

the tv card, is a winfast pvr 350

[17:10:14]

rupy:

oh sorry i was meant to run lspci – nm, lol

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mchou:

where did you buy it? provide link

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psymin:

lspci -vv | grep -i mpeg .. maybe?

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mchou:

psymin: dont need any of that crap

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rupy:

how you mean mchou? i bought it from a local hardware dealer?

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mchou:

linky to the product

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rupy:

hmm, yeah dont see the card under lspci

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rupy:

oh ok, 1 sec :)

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rupy:

i prolly need nix drivers

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rupy:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_pvr350.html

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mchou:

rupy: that's not a winfast

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laga:

that's not a winfast.

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psymin:

odd .. lspci should see it without drivers .. I believe

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rupy:

oh, sorry, i thought it was a winfast happauge or whatever

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mchou:

yup. lspci should defitely see it w/o drivers

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mchou:

definitely*

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rupy:

hmm, maybe i didnt put it in right

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psymin:

lspci -vv | grep -i haup

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psymin:

returns nothing?

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mchou:

something is definitely fubar

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mchou:

psymin: stop with the silly grep stuff

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laga:

nö

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rupy:

that just filters it right ?

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laga:

oops, wrong window

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psymin:

mchou: Can you tell me how to make lspci return only devices that match a string without using grep?

[17:18:05]

rupy:

ok box is rebooting, i think it may have been put in a bit loose in my excitement :p

[17:18:17]

rupy:

sweet! I see it now :D

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mchou:

psymin: why would you need to?

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psymin:

mchou: to remove potential confusion .. too much data can be distracting

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rupy:

awesome so im ready to start my myth tv :D

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mchou:

psymin: we arent sure if it's a winfast or a haupp

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mchou:

that's why no grep

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** psymin shrugs. **

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rupy:

is this a decent article: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html

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kazan|work:

hmm

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kazan|work:

with the settings i have now on my mythbox load is 3/3/2.77 while recording 1 and commflagging 1

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kazan|work:

backend is using 75% cpu

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kazan|work:

guess those mpeg4 settings i have are a little gready

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GreyFoxx:

any custome job users here ?

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cover:

how i add a new xmltv listin grabber (for italy) ? :-/

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Anduin:

cover: It isn't in the list?

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cover:

no

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Anduin:

cover: Is it an official one?

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kazan|work:

whoa

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kazan|work:

wtf

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cover:

on the xmltv site there is italy... :-/

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kazan|work:

it's running two transcodes at once and i told it to only run one at a time

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Anduin:

cover: You can run it manually, you'd need to get someone to make a source patch to get it on the mythtv-setup list.

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xris:

GreyFoxx: costume? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe custom :)

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GreyFoxx:

but I figured it out with the source anyway :)

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rupy:

i pressed ctrl+z to hide the current command progres

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rupy:

how do I bring it back :p ?

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Anduin:

fg

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rupy:

hehe ta

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robbins876:

Hello, I am very new to linux (day 2), I want to get mythTV installed on SuSE10, but I can't really find much information about how to do it. Anyone have any help?

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laga:

robbins876: www.mythonsuse.org

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kazan|work:

A) Use Fedora

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kazan|work:

B) mythtv documentation

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laga:

A) use your favourite distro.

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kazan|work:

he's new to linux laga

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robbins876:

i was thinking fedora too, but the install hanged when i tried to upgrade about 15 minutes ago

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kazan|work:

really

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kazan|work:

that's odd

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kazan|work:

what version did you install

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laga:

kazan|work: well, he can still use his favourite distro, right? ;)

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Ruis:

robbins876, what kind of tv card do you have?

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robbins876:

hauppage 150

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kazan|work:

laga: he doesn't have one yet :P he's only used linux for two days :D

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robbins876:

and i was trying to install FC5 from DVD

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robbins876:

gave me some error about check the tree or something

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laga:

kazan|work: gee, after two days, you already know that rpm-based distros suck. and that vim is the one and only editor!

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rupy:

grrr

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robbins876:

and then said that it had no more mirrors to try

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kazan|work:

strange robbin

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Ruis:

robbins876, i spent all weekend trying to get suse 10 to work and ended up using ubuntu instead. just be warned.

[19:24:37]

rupy:

I just downloaded the latest nvidia drivers, but when i try and run them it says "Error in check sums"

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rupy:

anyway around that?

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robbins876:

so SuSE = no good?

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kazan|work:

laga: ha .deb-based distros suck

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laga:

kazan|work: .tgz my ass.

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kazan|work:

gentoo is worse

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kazan|work:

gentoo is for masochists

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laga:

.tgz is slackware ;)

[19:25:22]

laga:

well, among others

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Ruis:

robbins876, suse didn't work with my hardware. you might have better luck. i had a pvr500 (which is two 150s on one card) and nforce problems.

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kazan|work:

lol i haven't used slack in eons

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kazan|work:

i used slack once and quickly grew annoyed with it

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kazan|work:

it's called slackware for a reason :P

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rupy:

what about (k)ubuntu?

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laga:

kazan|work: slack is teh pwn. but i haven't used it in a long time either.

[19:26:07]

kazan|work:

tried kubuntu

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robbins876:

i really would like to get Fedora installed, but can't figure out why it's hanging

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rupy:

"Error in check sums"

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rupy:

ideas?

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kazan|work:

i wipe it off my system with prejudice after all the problems it was having – installing gcc from Adept resulted in inability to build execs until i manually installed gcc3.4, PAM version older than .79 when .99 is current, ld.so.conf wasn't there

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kazan|work:

rupy: bad file download

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Ruis:

rupy, try redownloading them.

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rupy:

i did

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rupy:

:'(

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Ruis:

rupy are you behind a proxy or something?

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rupy:

downloading from nvidia's site

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robbins876:

kazan>> that's jibberish

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rupy:

not that i know of

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kazan|work:

robbins876: was talking to rupy

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robbins876:

oh

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rupy:

ill try download again in a moment i think

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rupy:

really strange, the dl just hung at 50% as well on the first try

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kazan|work:

robbins876: but for translation: GCC is the C/C++ compiler, PAM is for security and authentication, and ld.so.conf is a configuration file used by dynamic linker to find shared object files (the *nix version of .dlls)

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rupy:

getting errors about not having CC mapped as a compiler name or something?

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rupy:

trying to install nvidia drivers... do i need to map gcc to "CC"?

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rupy:

"Could not complete compile gcc-version-check.c."

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rupy:

how would i set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler used by my kernel?

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unkle:

hi people ! ...so now, – whats up with me and plugins, – ive just build a bunch of them with mythplugin's script i checked that the .so file is copied to the plugins dir but i cant see any of them when running mythtv, – which magic button did i miss ?

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eiggirC:

is old channel information cleared or kept?

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unkle:

eiggir > i might have missed your initial question, but usually its for you to decide whether or not old channel info is to be kept (im sorry if i missed a point due to my "late" arrival here)

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eiggirC:

unkle: cheers

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AlienBaby:

I can't change my latency_timer on the PCI IDE controller.. intel chipset..

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AlienBaby:

any ideas..

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AlienBaby:

?

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unkle:

eiggirC: :)

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AlienBaby:

ever seen a PCI latency_timer that could not be changed from 0?

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kazan|work:

how old is the board

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AlienBaby:

old.. Cel 800 coppermine..

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AlienBaby:

probably 6 + years old..

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AlienBaby:

basically. the issue is that when ever mythfilldatabase runs, and the frontend is being used to watch LiveTV or a REcording.. the whole box locks up..

[19:52:35]

AlienBaby:

I think it is a latency_timer issue.. at least that the track I'm following now..

[19:54:09]

AlienBaby:

Any ideas?

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AlienBaby:

mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1

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AlienBaby:

I'm running Gentoo.. ivtv .43 .. mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1

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AlienBaby:

no ideas?

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xris:

wow, a gentoo user not running the latest kernel....

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xris:

;)

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AlienBaby:

it's 2.6.15 -r7

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rupy:

just downloaded latest nvidia drivers

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rupy:

and it gives an error unable to find the kernel source tree for the current running kernel

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rupy:

any ideas?

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MyScr3enName:

Wow i quit

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MyScr3enName is now known as Yellow-Snow

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Zider:

rupy: do you have a symlink /usr/src/linux that pints to your kernel source dir in /usr/src?

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Yellow-Snow:

knoppmyth blows

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Zider:

points

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Yellow-Snow:

Whats the best way to install mythtv? as for as what OS do i use?

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AlienBaby:

I think the IVTV drivers are very sensitive .. not really able to recover very well at all..

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Zider:

I'm so in love with mythtv right now.. :D

[20:15:09]

Zider:

173 divx movies in the list now.. ;)

[20:15:20]

Yellow-Snow:

god zider

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Yellow-Snow:

i had that at one point... had to reinstall

[20:15:37]

Zider:

well, I have the files on another computer

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Yellow-Snow:

now i cant get the box up and running for the life of me

[20:15:41]

Yellow-Snow:

aaahh

[20:15:43]

Yellow-Snow:

lucky

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Yellow-Snow:

i was TRYING to do that.. 1 hd for the os.. 1 for the files

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Yellow-Snow:

but um.. didnt work.. always messes up

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Zider:

I need another hdd.. can't squeeze them all in right now.. :P

[20:16:24]

Yellow-Snow:

i think when my carputer hd comes in

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Yellow-Snow:

www.woot.com

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Yellow-Snow:

wait for a 250 gig for 50$

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Zider:

Yellow-Snow: I'm going for 300GB

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xris:

heh

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Zider:

and that's barely enough :P

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cschrader:

i got teh 300GB seagate

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Yellow-Snow:

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Yellow-Snow:

Wow

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Zider:

uhh

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Yellow-Snow:

Øh MY God

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Yellow-Snow:

laskdjhsklajdlaskj

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Yellow-Snow:

fing macros

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Zider:

scary script :P

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Yellow-Snow:

lol

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Yellow-Snow:

ok goo

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Yellow-Snow:

turned off that crap

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Zider:

anyhoo.. I've filled 120GB divx, 180GB series and now I need to get the dvd's over to another hdd so I can squeeze in the rest of the divx :P

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Zider:

melike films :D

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olger901:

hi all

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olger901:

I got a problem with mythtbv

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olger901:

I am running version 0.19

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olger901:

and am using a plextor convert x tv402-u

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olger901:

and I can't get it to work

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olger901:

I compiled the go7007 kernel modules

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olger901:

and adapted the kernel to the proper settings

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olger901:

but it still isn't working it's detected fine however when I press the scan for channels button it tells me failed to open device

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kazan|work:

it's 80-freaking-5 degrees outside in april

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kazan|work:

JFC

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Juski:

engage brain before asking question... oh no!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Are you a "Lemmings" fan too? ;-)

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kazan|work:

Juski: ?

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kazan|work:

olger901: good chance you have a permissions problem

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kazan|work:

afk

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Juski:

lemmings? nah I hated it

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Juski:

just realised I have to go all the way to an electronics shop tomorrow for a component which costs Â£0.09

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Juski:

bastard!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Humm... That's what I thought when I read "oh no!"... But if you didn't play the Amiga version, you probably just heard "bleep bleep!" ;-)

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olger901:

the gorecord items finds the box aswell

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Juski:

think I might just sack this touch switch thingy

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olger901:

kazan no: I am running it as root

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: the ST version had proper sound

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Juski:

damn 470k resistor.. the only value I haven't got in my stock :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Ok — yeah, the ST was nearly the same Hardware as Amiga, so it makes sense. The PC version royally stunk though... no synthesized voice effects, just beeps and chirps...

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Juski:

bah.. games on PCs? back then? lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski – Do you have a couple that you could put in parallel or series to equal 470k?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: I've got a bunch of 1k2 ones

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Juski:

but that'd make this gadget wayy too big ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: eek... it would take a few of them!!! ;-)

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** Juski shoulda read the datasheet more closely before leaving work **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: maybe two 1M ohm? That'd be 500K, but closer...

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Juski:

but you know how it is.. itchy feet

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olger901:

still the same error

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olger901:

:(

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: I can't find any values > 100k :-(

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Juski:

I've even raided my broken things box to see if I could rob one – no joy there either

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: I could send you one, but I doubt you want to wait that long! ;-)

[20:34:07]

Juski:

it can wait til tomorrow I suppose

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Juski:

I need it to make this touch switch IC more sensitive so the field it produces can go through a plastic panel

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: kewl. What are you controlling with it?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: my bathroom lights. Opto-isolated of course

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Are you doing this to prevent electrocution from wet hands?

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Juski:

the prototype works really well but needs to be tied down to Earth for a reference – which will need me to go into the attic again

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: that, and so the panel can be back-lit

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Juski:

it's also the only way to do light dimming in harsh environments. Panel runs on 12V DC, isolated from the mains. The dimmer is one I've modified with an optoisolator for the control input ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Neat. Is your bathroom switch not grounded? Or is it not enough of an 'earth' ground to do the trick?

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Juski:

dimmer box is in the attic, in a box with the 12v supply for the panel

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: it's totally isolated right now, so after about 36 hours it loses its reference. tying 0v to earth should sort it out

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rupy:

how do you change the apt-get repository?

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armand:

carefully!

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: it's basically www.sensor.co.uk on the cheap, and lit up so I can see it in the dark :-P

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house:

ok im running into a problem here

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house:

eselect mysql list

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house:

Available MySQL versions:

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house:

(none found)

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Juski:

house: still not nixed that? you were saying that hours & hours & hours ago

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Zider:

hm, has anyone been able to "hack" in a shoutcast adress into the music playlist? I'm trying to have it in a .pls file, but I can't seem to get it into mythmusic..

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house:

Juski: i went to bed because i couldnt get it :(

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Juski:

house: I don't have the eselect command. what is it?

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house:

no clue, but the gentoo wiki installation guide says i need to do it

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Anduin:

house: I would have tried a distro channel.

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Juski:

house: what the?

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cschrader:

house – you using gentoo?

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house:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: That looks pretty neat — I wonder if anything like that is available to us in the US...

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house:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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Juski:

apparently it's a bunch of bash scripts which do "modular framework for config & admin utilities" :-/

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: touch sensor is by Qprox – the QT110

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cschrader:

ive got gentoo, but never used that tool

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Juski:

house: did you not just emerge mysql ?

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cschrader:

try #gentoo

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house:

yeah i just emerged mysql

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Juski:

doing emerge -p mysql will tell you if you have it installed or not, and which version

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cschrader:

did you emerge gentoolkit?

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SMDBlink:

no

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SMDBlink:

but i just did

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Juski:

why the fuck has the gentoo wiki howto got that instead of just emerge mysql, then mysql blah < foo.sql ?

[20:45:58]

SMDBlink:

so i just need the mysql blah < foo.sql then?

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Juski:

house: so long as you only have one version of mysql installed you should just be able to ignore those eselect commands (I think)

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Juski:

unless of course eselect has taken over the whole configuration of mysql bit aswell

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Juski:

if mysql wasn't in your USE flags when you emerged the eselect stuff, maybe it wont support mysql in any case

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SMDBlink:

yeah it was in my USE flags

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Juski:

see how it goes – just jump into the mysql command & see what happens

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Juski:

should work I guess as long as mysql is running

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Juski:

I hate it when a howto tells you to do stuff but never tells you what to do if it doesn't work

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SMDBlink:

yeah that sucks

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SMDBlink:

for me

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SMDBlink:

ok i did the mysql command

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Juski:

and?

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cschrader:

yeah that howto isnt very good

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SMDBlink:

seems to have executed

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cschrader:

the gentoo myth documentation in general is kind of spotty

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tbw:

What collections do i need to get from svn to get the most up to date .19?

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Juski:

well you can be sure it'd have spat out errors if anything was bad

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SMDBlink:

ok

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Juski:

tbw: 0.19-fixes

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tbw:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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SMDBlink:

so now my next problem is...

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tbw:

That's what I'm getting now...

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tbw:

What does it need to be saying?

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SMDBlink:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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Juski:

tbw: no not the trunk.. that's SVN.. version 0.20.something

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tbw:

Juski: right.... what path should I be fetching?

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Juski:

tbw: I told you – 0.19-fixes

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tbw:

hehe

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tbw:

I GET THAT

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Juski:

see the 1st page on svn.mythtv.org

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tbw:

but where do I put it?

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Juski:

somewhere convenient

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tbw:

bwhaha

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tbw:

I wanted to know the svn command line to get that branch

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Juski:

don't think it matters where you download it to

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Juski:

tbw: see the 1st page on svn.mythtv.org

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tbw:

Yep

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tbw:

got it

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tbw:

thanks

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tbw:

;)

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** tbw watches it download ;) **

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SMDBlink:

but i can run X...

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Juski:

SMDBlink: why can't you run X ?

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tbw:

I wonder if the un-installs work

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tbw:

I'm running .20

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tbw:

I wanna to downgrade

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tbw:

for stabilities sake

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tbw:

;)

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SMDBlink:

i can run X, but when i run mythtv-setup it says cant connect to X server

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Juski:

tbw: so do make distclean

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Juski:

tbw: oh, and back up your DB... you might lose everything

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tbw:

do i need to do a distclean under each mythtv,mythplugins etc?

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Juski:

can't connect to X server.. hmmm

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SMDBlink:

but i can run x, then run it and it works fine...

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Juski:

SMDBlink: you need X running for mythtv-setup to work

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SMDBlink:

lol

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SMDBlink:

ok now heres where im really stuck

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SMDBlink:

i thought those other problems might have been related

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SMDBlink:

when i add a new capture card, i change the settings and hit finish

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tbw:

What is XvMC Pro support?

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SMDBlink:

but it doesnt save, it just says (New caputure card) in the list

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Juski:

tbw: for Via boards (EPia & such)

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tbw:

Good

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tbw:

okay

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Anduin:

tbw: For some of the via boxes.

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Juski:

tbw: the ones with built in mpeg2 decoders mostly ;-)

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: the terminal you run mythtv-setup in should have some errors then.

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Juski:

SMDBlink: hmmm. do you have mythbackend running by any chance?

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tbw:

man

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tbw:

distcc is the shit

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tbw:

;)

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Juski:

oh, and the mythtv user needs to be in the video group – or at least a group able to use your video devices

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Juski:

anyway – it's time for me to watch '24'

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tbw:

hehe

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tbw:

i tried to record 24

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tbw:

mofo cut off the last 5 minutes with

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tbw:

"record timeslot"

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Juski:

desperate to see this episode

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tbw:

Is it the one that was on monday?

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SMDBlink:

yeah mythbackend is running

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SMDBlink:

lemme check the terminal

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Juski:

so on shows you really want, you add a few minutes to the show length ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Your's doesn't come on Monday?

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tbw:

well

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tbw:

what I don't get is

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tbw:

it starts at the PERFECT time

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SMDBlink:

Database error was:

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SMDBlink:

Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist

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Zider:

what does mythmusic use to play the music? is that builtin or is it an external command?

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Juski:

Zider: built in

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Zider:

k

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: No errors before that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: (oops... bad english... Your '24' doesn't show on Monday night, or did you miss it Monday?)

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SMDBlink:

cant scroll up high enough

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: Do it again, but pipe the output to a log file.

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SMDBlink:

ok

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SMDBlink:

sorry, i dont know how to do that

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Anduin:

mythtv-setup > lame.log 2>&1

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Zider:

Juski: and that player has no support at all for streams I suppose?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: it's shown on Sunday nights here but we're behind the US

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Juski:

Zider: mythstream would be what you need for that

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Zider:

oh, there's a special plugin for that.. didn't know that :D

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Zider:

I thought I had looked thru the plugin list

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: So you're going to watch this week's episode again, or for the first time?

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Juski:

1st time

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JrbM689:

Let's say I have a DCT-2000 and a serial cable. I found the knoppmyth wiki for setup but it doesn't have information for r5B7 or MythTV.19. Any information? Suggestions, etc?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Kewl. You'll like it! ;-)

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Juski:

Zider: mythstream isn't an official plugin

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Zider:

Juski: ah

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Juski:

right – now it's really time to go...

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Zider:

Juski: is there any possibility to get hold of it anyway? ;)

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simon_c_home:

hummm. In programs/mythfrontend/mythfrontend.pro, there's an option "setting.extra = -ldconfig" What does that do ? I'm trying to build this as a non-root user, and ldconfig doesn't want to run as non-roo

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Normal.

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main2:

can i use mythtv over the network?

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Anduin:

main2: A fastish one, yes.

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main2:

i got working hauppauge 150mce in my server.. i would like to watch on my laptops

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Zider:

main2: yeah, just use samba/nfs/other

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Zider:

oh that way around

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main2:

im talking about live television, no recordings

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main2:

:-)

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Anduin:

main2: No such thing.

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main2:

k

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main2:

then im bound to vlc

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main2:

=)

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main2:

zapping trough ssh is not everything.. ;D

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: OK. a more corect question then. What's going to be different/broken because ldconfig doesn't run ?

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Anduin:

main2: The frontend can stream from the backend.

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main2:

havent done it yet, but i will make a script i think

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main2:

sorry Anduin ?

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: The installed libs won't be known to the library loader cache.

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main2:

you mean, that i should be able to run the front on my laptop and the back on my server?

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Anduin:

(the install probably failed)

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Anduin:

main2: Yes.

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main2:

is it easy to do?

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: But why should it be doing that at compile time ?

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Anduin:

main2: Yes.

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simon_c_home:

BTW, got the MYTHCONFDIR bit working thismorning. I wasn't exporting the variable when I was loading it from a config file !! (Doh!)

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: It should not be.

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: setting.extra = -ldconfig is in mythfrontend.pro, and during the build I get ...

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simon_c_home:

cp -f "mythfrontend" "/var/tmp/mythtv-0.19-1-root/usr/bin/mythfrontend"

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simon_c_home:

ldconfig

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simon_c_home:

make[2]: ldconfig: Command not found

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simon_c_home:

make[2]: [install_setting] Error 127 (ignored)

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: 'sOK.

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: It's during the "make install" section of the rpm build.

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Yes, and can be ignored (especially when building rpms).

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Thanks.

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Some people make install into their actual system, as root, where ldconfig would be needed (rpms just run it post-install).

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Yeh. as soon as I figured out when it was running it, I realised that's why it's there. Another of those questions that answer them selves as you start asking it in the correct way :-)

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main2:

Anduin, i have no X on my server, is it needed for the backend? :/

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Anduin:

main2: Yes.

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** simon_c_home has no X server on his backend, and it runs OK. **

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main2:

*****

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Anduin:

You need the X libs, fine.

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main2:

ow

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main2:

..

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simon_c_home:

Ahhh.

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main2:

i have no xlibs

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main2:

its a simple RHEL server, no X stuff/games

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main2:

backend using X, bah =)

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Anduin:

It is usually very hard to get a RHEL box with no X libs.

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Zider:

RHEL?

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Anduin:

RedHat Enterprise Linux

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

haven't used redhat since 4.x :P

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main2:

ow wait

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main2:

i do have X actually on this box

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SMDBlink:

sorry im waiting for mozilla to emerge so i can pastebin this log file

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Anduin:

But when you paste it will be awesomely fast.

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SMDBlink:

lol

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mishehu:

hmm hmmm hope I have time to hook up this motorola dct6200 so I can hook up the firewire to it.

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SMDBlink:

wait...

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SMDBlink:

i dont even need to wait for that

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** main2 is installing front/back .. wanne see how this is going to work **

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simon_c_home:

the main configure file assumes that ld.so.conf only has relative paths in it, not absolute. suse has absolute paths in ld.so.conf

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main2:

./configure: line 2958: qmake: command not found

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simon_c_home:

So, where's the place to post bugs in the configure file ? the devel mailing list, or should I create a ticket ? (I've got a small patch that seems to fix it)

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Fix what?

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: ah, (read up), it has been reported.

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Anduin:

main2: You'll need the qt-devel package.

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main2:

k

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SMDBlink:

ok i got it

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SMDBlink:

http://pastebin.com/658532

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: thanks. wasn't sure my posting a few days ago was noticed or not :-)

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: I read it, I don't actually know that anyone is doing anything about it.

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djselbeck:

has anybody here got mythtv working with Xgl?

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: lol

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: so, is the "right" thing to do to for me to figure out how to open a ticket ?

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Sure, you can make a patch and create a ticket. I'd look at it but no suse here.

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: OK. will do.

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Wait a minute though, I'm looking at the patch.

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SMDBlink:

Anduin: http://pastebin.com/658532

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: You are just setting this up right?

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: If so my advice is to drop the mythconverge db and use the mc.sql script again, then run mythtv-setup (the error indicates that you are in some limbo state with the DB currently (tables but no settings table or DBSchemaVer setting))

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main2:

Anduin, should i look out for a rpm, or the source (i dont have much time ;)

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main2:

so im not sure how much compile time it would need

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Anduin:

main2: For installing myth? From RPM if you don't mind the repository you

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Anduin:

'd have to use.

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SMDBlink:

how do i drop the mythconverge db?

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SMDBlink:

just delete it?

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: It's an ugly hack. It just removes the leading /etc/ from the paths in the ld.conf.so inculde line. Much better would be for the origanal code not to assume the paths are relatave. But my shell scripting isn't that good.

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main2:

Anduin, its building MythTV :)

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: It needs to make some assumptions (others use relative), but yeah, I see what you're doing.

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main2:

libmythavcodec-0.19.so.0.19.0 error 1

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SMDBlink:

where does it create mythconverg

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main2:

uhhmm /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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haj:

anyone using xbmcmythtv?

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: In the default DB directory, use mysql -e "DROP DATABASE mythconverge;" or something like that.

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Well, I'll open a ticket. IMO, it should build if ld.conf.so has valid syntax no matter what, and I'm sure my patch isn't the best way of fixing it, but it seems to work for what I need it to do :-)

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Yeah, I'm thinking that just doing in on line 900 would be better (SVN line numbers)

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SMDBlink:

ERROR 1008 (HY000) at line 1: Can't drop database 'mythconverge'; database doesn't exist

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Zider:

woo, 10 minutes to index half of my music :P

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Juski:

OMFG!!! !!!! (24)

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Anduin:

SMDBlink: fix my typos

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simon_c_home:

Zider: lol. I think it took 6 hours or so to index my music. I'll have to drop the table and try again for a laugh.

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Zider:

simon_c_home: lots of music?

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SMDBlink:

ok i dropped it

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Juski:

6 hours? I've got 40GB or so & it didn't take that long even in 0.18

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SMDBlink:

now run mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql again?

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mishehu:

I've never had to run that

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simon_c_home:

Zider: banshee reccons it's about 46 days worth. about 45GB. Maybe it was a little less than 6 hr, but the music wasn't on the same system as the myth backend, or the database.

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Zider:

Juski: I'm fiddling with mythstream now, thanks for the tip :D

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Zider:

simon_c_home: I have 53GB, over samba.. :P

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Zider:

it's the database update that takes the most time

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simon_c_home:

Zider: Well, when I ran it on 0.18 (my current "production" system) it took a very long time. But, the local disk in that box is a very slow 2.5" disk. So maybe that was part of the problem.

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Is there a way to check out single files from svn ?

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Zider:

hm, maybe..

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Zider:

or no dma perhaps?

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Zider:

or very slow cpu

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tummyacid:

heya guys im having trouble authenticating to mysql server

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simon_c_home:

Zider: Maybe. I'll probalby do it again to see how log it does take. :-)

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Zider:

simon_c_home: hehe

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tummyacid:

i havent touched any of the options but when it tries to login as root@localhost (i know i know but it told me this was the way to go) it says bad username/password

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SMDBlink:

ok i dropped the database and tried again

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SMDBlink:

http://pastebin.com/658590

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Juski:

SMDBlink: are you using mysql5 ?

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Zider:

dammit.. I hate it when dvd's has the wrong subtitle names..

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SMDBlink:

dev-db/mysql-4.1.14-r1

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Juski:

hrm

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Juski:

SMDBlink: I've seen people post that error before but I can't remember what the fix is

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SMDBlink:

i think its cause it didnt use the -utf8 flag

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Juski:

SMDBlink: yeh that's what a quick google makes me think

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SMDBlink:

so i should emerge -C mythtv

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SMDBlink:

then USE="-utf8" emerge mythv

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SMDBlink:

will that work

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Zider:

huh.. when I select finnish subs I get swedish, and when I select swedish I get danish..

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Zider:

I'm starting to suspect mplayer or something, because it seems to work fine in the dvd player

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jchillerup|:

Danish subs are fine

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Zider:

not for me

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tummyacid:

basically when i try to login with dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database it wants the mysql admin login/password to create the database... i enter root/root password and it is rejected

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Zider:

because I want swedish subs :P

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jchillerup|:

Don't you see we're busy?

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SMDBlink:

yeah, they are helping this noob

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tummyacid:

i dunno this seems like a routine issue id think you probably get asked this question a million times a day... thought there might be an easy answer

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tummyacid:

by all means help the noob

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Zider:

SMDBlink: I don't see any utf8 use flag for mythtv

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Juski:

maybe one for mysql

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Zider:

nope

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Juski:

tummyacid: you need to check the mysql manual for how to deal with not being able to login to it as root anymore

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tummyacid:

will do thanks

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tummyacid:

GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO mythtv[at]localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';

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tummyacid:

sorry

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tummyacid:

mt

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SMDBlink:

will USE="-utf8" emerge mythtv work to do it with the -utf8 flag?

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Zider:

SMDBlink: the mythtv doesn't have a utf8 flag

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SMDBlink:

then whys it tell me to use it?

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SMDBlink:

wait... maybe im supposed to use it on mysql

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Zider:

mysql doesn't have it either

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Zider:

where are you reading that?

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SMDBlink:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MySQL_for_MythTV

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SMDBlink:

its all i can think of to fix this:

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SMDBlink:

http://pastebin.com/658590

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Zider:

maybe they removed that useflag

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Zider:

SMDBlink: what use flags does your mysql have?

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SMDBlink:

how would i check that?

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Zider:

emerge -p mysql

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SMDBlink:

that doesnt tell me

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cschrader:

-pv mysql i think

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Zider:

oh, forgot the v

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cschrader:

no utf8 flag on mine

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Samsonpwnz:

anyone familiar with irxevent ?

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SMDBlink:

[ebuild R ] dev-db/mysql-4.1.14-r1 +berkdb -big-tables -cluster -debug -embedded -extraengine -minimal +perl -raid (-selinux) -srvdir +ssl -static 0 kB

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cschrader:

SMDBlink can you connect to mysql with the command line tool ?

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SMDBlink:

ok since its not utf8 then.... i have no clue what to do

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SMDBlink:

yeah

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xanium4332:

hi

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xanium4332:

does anyone know how to delete a recording profile

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Zider:

SMDBlink: the only flag I have on my mysql is minimal, the rest is off

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flux:

hi all

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xanium4332:

hi

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flux:

hi

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Zider:

SMDBlink: shouldn't do any difference tho, but..

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flux:

ok, i'll skip the crap

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xanium4332:

do u knw how to delete a recording profile

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cschrader:

SMDBlink what command are you running when you get that output?

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tummyacid:

heya guys rene- from #mysql told me that the command 'mysqladmin --user=root password 'xxxx' ' reset the admin password and that made dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database happy

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Zider:

SMDBlink: what use flags does mythtv have?

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flux:

i've got a brand-new pundit p1-ph1 with a pvr150 in it

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flux:

and it only displays static

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SMDBlink:

the pastebin output?

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SMDBlink:

mythtv-setup

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flux:

what should i do...!

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flux:

er i meant 'questionmark'

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xanium4332:

wot distro u running

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flux:

knoppmyth

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xanium4332:

hmm

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flux:

oh and i'm in the netherlands ;)

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xanium4332:

:P

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flux:

i think i've set it up quite ok

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flux:

with pal and stuff

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cschrader:

is your mysql local?

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SMDBlink:

yeah

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xanium4332:

wots "pal"

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SMDBlink:

only gonna be usin this computer

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flux:

pal is like ntsc, but in europe

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xanium4332:

oh

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xanium4332:

yeh

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xanium4332:

sorry

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Zider:

what's wots? :P

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flux:

one more thing: it doesn't scan

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flux:

for channels

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xanium4332:

at all

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flux:

well, it does. but it won't find any

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Samsonpwnz:

anyone know how to send the spacebar command in .lircrc, plain old "Space" doesnt seem to work

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xanium4332:

hmm

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xanium4332:

Space shud work

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flux:

" " ?

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flux:

;)

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xanium4332:

sorry

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flux:

sorry?

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xanium4332:

it doesn.t scan... and uv set the correct region thingy

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xanium4332:

the sorry was cause I jumped to someone else

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flux:

o np

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xanium4332:

dnt spose u knw how to dlete a recording group

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flux:

the region is set to west-europe

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xanium4332:

wot other -eurpos are there

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xanium4332:

(cnt remember)

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flux:

east

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xanium4332:

hmm

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flux:

trust me: the netherlands are in the west

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xanium4332:

try that

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xanium4332:

just in case

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flux:

try east?

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flux:

oh ok

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xanium4332:

(incase u havent already)

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xanium4332:

Anyone know how to delete a recording profile?

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Samsonpwnz:

i can get every other key to work, but space

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xanium4332:

erm

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: Yes, you can browse all the source and download specific files at svn.mythtv.org (browse source "button")

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SMDBlink:

my mythtv flags are:

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SMDBlink:

[ebuild N ] media-tv/mythtv-0.18.1-r1 +alsa (-altivec) +arts -debug +dvb -frontendonly -jack -joystick -lcd +lirc -mmx +nvidia +opengl +oss -unichrome +vorbis 0 kB

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xanium4332:

Anyone know how to delete a recording profile?

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Zider:

SMDBlink: you seem to be using an old version of portage btw

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SMDBlink:

i just ran emerge --sync

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Zider:

SMDBlink: and updated world?

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SMDBlink:

yeah

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SMDBlink:

like 2 days ago

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Zider:

ah, right.. I'm running the masked portage.. forgot.. ;)

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Zider:

it sorts the use flags now, so it's easier to see

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chupacabra:

lots of mythtv installs on gentoo?

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Zider:

chupacabra: mine is at least

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Zider:

all my systems runs gentoo, so why not mythtv too ;)

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chupacabra:

hehe

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cschrader:

ive got gentoo all around

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chupacabra:

me too

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Zider:

:D

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Zider:

too bad all the guides are mostly crap..

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Zider:

I simply figured it out myself

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SMDBlink:

i cant figure it out :(

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SMDBlink:

cause of that errorrrr

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Lycan:

i have a nvidia 6200,dvico dvb-t plus, p4 1.8ghz, 1gb ram system..is that enough to run mythtv smoothly?

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cschrader:

heh real men dont read documentation

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Zider:

Lycan: yes

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Lycan:

running both frontend and backend

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flux:

Lycan, yes

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Zider:

Lycan: I have nvidia tnt 16MB, p4 1,7GHz and 192MB RAM here.. :D

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flux:

can anyone help me with my knoppix / pvr150 only displaying static?

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flux:

static means that the card itself works, right?

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Lycan:

well it works fine with the sd channels but when i switch to a hd channel im copping prefbufferring pauses...whats going on??

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Zider:

the only prob here is the video card, which isn't supported by nvidias normal drivers

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Lycan:

like the cpu goes to 97%

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Zider:

I haven't tried any TV cards yet tho, so can't help there

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Lycan:

but with a sd channel its around 50–60%

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cschrader:

you doing software encoding Lycan ?

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Lycan:

im suing the latest nvidia drivers with xvmc enabled

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Lycan:

no its set to hardare encoding...ill double check now brb

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cschrader:

oh wait i dont know about how dvb works

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Lycan:

yes its definitely set to hardware encoding

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Zider:

ah well, I'm off to the tv.. cya..

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SMDBlink:

ok.... so the problem really is with utf8... just gotta get it out of mysql

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Lycan:

what can i try?

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kazan:

my pvr-500 is here

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sphery:

woo-hoo!

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Beirdo:

netsplit hell?

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Blinkk:

any suggestions on fixing that Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes

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Beirdo:

fuck!

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kazan:

aye

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kazan:

when installing ivtv 0.6.1 should i use the ivtv version of the modules that conflict or the kernel ones?

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lawton:

lo

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Beirdo:

flap flap flap

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Blinkk:

hi

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kazan:

hey guys

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flux:

oooh i love flappies

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kazan:

ivtv instructions say to alias char-major-81 videodev

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kazan:

but i already have 81 assigned to bttv

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kazan:

should i just use 82 instead?

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Blinkk:

im stuck im using mysql-4.1.14-r1 and mythtv-0.18.1-r1 and when i run mythtv-setup, i get these errors:

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Anduin:

-81–1

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Blinkk:

Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes

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kazan:

so alias char-major-81 bttv, alias char-major-81–1 videodev, alias char-major-81–2 ivtv, alias char-major-81–2 ivtv

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kazan:

or swap videodev and bttv?

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** simon_c_home is back **

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flux:

if i was french i would be saying 'i ate everything'

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jchillerup|:

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Actually, i think the best solution is if there's a line before 902 that addrs /etc/ to the path if it doesn't already start with a / then 902 is changed so it doesn't add /etc/ to every line.

[23:19:53]

laga:

je mangais tous?

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jchillerup|:

That'd be more correct

[23:20:06]

laga:

or 'mangerais'? wasn't that some kind of future tense?

[23:20:14]

jchillerup|:

Don't remember

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jchillerup|:

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: 6 of one, half dozen of the other

[23:21:30]

laga:

jchillerup|: oh, c'mon, the composed future is easy, too :) je vais a manger quelque chose..

[23:21:44]

jchillerup|:

Well, all right

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jchillerup|:

But I only had French for three years... And the last year was kind of just a repetition

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: Taking /etc/ off isn't right though, because it could (in theory) be a directory outside of /etc.

[23:22:41]

laga:

jchillerup|: 9 years for me, and it sucked terribly ;)

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jchillerup|:

lol

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jchillerup|:

I've switched to German now

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kazan:

wtf i have no hotplug dir on fc5

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Blinkk:

dont alot of people have this same problem i have?

[23:23:45]

simon_c_home:

Anduin: Also, my reading of it is that any line contining a # anywhere on the line will be dropped. Which is probably technically wrong, even if there's probably nobod who will add a # comment at the end of an indluce line :-)

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laga:

jchillerup|: yeah, german is OK. been learning it for 18 years now.. ;)

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jchillerup|:

Hehe

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Anduin:

simon_c_home: It is imperfect, as you've discovered.

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jchillerup|:

I've had German for 1 year, and I'm so much better at that, compared to my French

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laga:

jchillerup|: same for me, latin languages tend to give me more trouble than english, e.g.

[23:25:23]

jchillerup|:

yeah

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: :-)

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kazan:

anyone here using PVR-500 (or other ivtv card) on FC5?

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laga:

Blinkk: have you tried searching the mailing lists yet?

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rupy:

hey guys

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rupy:

I have a quick question

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rupy:

busy doing the install for ubuntu/pvr150 here:

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rupy:

http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html

[23:29:15]

rupy:

I am a little confused by this instruction, could someone ellaborate:

[23:29:21]

rupy:

OK, let’s add some kernel headers. By far the easiest way to do this is to open Synaptic package manager and search for 'linux headers.' Click and install those that match your kernel. Don't know which kernel you're running? Give this command:

[23:29:44]

rupy:

i tried searching for linux headers in synaptic, but didnt find anything :/

[23:31:25]

Blinkk:

is there an easy way to search the mailing lists?

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laga:

Blinkk: www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

[23:32:06]

laga:

rupy: please stand by. all supporters are currently busy. we will get back to you in no time.

[23:32:20]

rupy:

thanks laga :)

[23:32:26]

rupy:

i think my apt source lists might be screwy :p

[23:33:12]

laga:

rupy: look for 'linux-headers'

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rupy:

kk

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rupy:

hmm, still no results found

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rupy:

i've added a whole bunch of stuff to my repository

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laga:

rupy: uh.. that's weird. BTW, i had the same problem on a different box, too. i don't think i fixed it. i'm running kubuntu breezy on this box and linux-headers-2.6.10 for example shows fine in adept (think synaptic for kde)

[23:34:43]

rupy:

hmm

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laga:

rupy: you'd better talk to the guys in #ubuntu

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: I think adding if [[ $(echo $x | grep -v -e "^/") ]] ; then x=/etc/$x; fi between 901 and 902 will work.

[23:38:27]

Lycan:

guys should i compile mythtv witht the opengl flag?...does it make a difference??

[23:38:27]

Blinkk:

ive seen alot of people with this problem, but no solution

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simon_c_home:

I'll use pastebin.

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Blinkk:

dont even know whats causing it

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xris:

Lycan: might as well compile it in — you can disable the options at runtime if you don't want them

[23:39:34]

Lycan:

just trying to solve these 'prebuffering pauses'...its doing my head in

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simon_c_home:

Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/49306 should have the correct if statment that will add /etc/ to an include if it doesn't start with a leading /

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simon_c_home:

blahh. bed time now I think. ;

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rupy:

aergh – found problem

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rupy:

was using stupid local mirrors for repository

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rupy:

changed them to us and everything sorte

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rupy:

sorted*

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laga:

:)

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laga:

thanks, i will try that too ;)

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Blinkk:

so umm is mythtv just bugged then?

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Lycan:

for the xv controls to work what package is needed?

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Blinkk:

gentoos portage gives me mysql-4.1.14-r1 and mythtv-0.18.1-r1, do these not work together????

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Lycan:

is libxv enough?

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Lycan:

Blinkk, why dont u use 0.19?

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Blinkk:

because i only got what was in portage

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Lycan:

try ~x86

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Blinkk:

ahh

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Lycan:

use='~x86' emerge -p mythtv

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Blinkk:

still gives me media-tv/mythtv-0.18.1-r1

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Lycan:

actually should be USE='~x86" emerge -p mythtv

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Lycan:

strange...have you emerged synced lately?

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Blinkk:

yeah

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Blinkk:

like 10 min ago

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laga:

actually, i should be 'echo media-tv/mythtv ~x86 > /etc/portage/package.keywords' IIRC

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laga:

;)

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Lycan:

and u sure its not masked?

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laga:

and maybe mask mythtv 0.20, that's how i did it

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Blinkk:

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19*" have been masked.

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Blinkk:

!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:

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Blinkk:

- x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)

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Blinkk:

i get that after adding media-tv/mythtv to package.keywords

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laga:

Blinkk: read the error

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Blinkk:

yeah i cant get it...

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feld:

hey all

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feld:

whats the name of the new fancy HD codec

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Blinkk:

so i need to get rid of 0.18

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feld:

i just cant remember it right now

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Blinkk:

i do so by emerge -C mythtv?

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