Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

Blerghass: that's just freaky

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deniidil:

i hate analog devices sometimes

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** xris will go all-digital someday **

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deniidil:

me too

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deniidil:

right now i'm fighting with my bt878 card that i've never had problems with before

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xris:

right after my kids move out (which will be awhile, since I don't have any kids yet)

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deniidil:

and i learned that my system was underclocked by 40% :D

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deniidil:

lol

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xris:

or maybe when my wife publishes her second novel (since apparently you don't get anything for your first one, she has to write at least 2)

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deniidil:

what genre does she write?

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xris:

sci-fantasy

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deniidil:

published yet?

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xris:

no

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deniidil:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

cool!

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deniidil:

good luck to her

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xris:

halfway through the first book or so

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GreyFoxx:

lemme know when it's out, I'll buy a copy :)

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xris:

she'll get published, though. she's far better than most stuff out there.

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deniidil:

i'll alteast check one out and if it's good then i'll read one

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deniidil:

erg

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deniidil:

then i'll buy one*

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havoc:

how much sex is in it?

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xris:

havoc: probably none

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havoc:

bah, my wife won't read it then

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deniidil:

"ill put on my robe and wizard hat.."

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** deniidil used to work at a library reshelving the books **

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xris:

heh

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deniidil:

every time we had to shelf romance we asked if we could burn em instead

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xris:

lol

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xris:

the prof of this certification course she's taking write historical fiction romance.

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xris:

writes....

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deniidil:

ewww

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deniidil:

meh

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deniidil:

wtf

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deniidil:

hey xris

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deniidil:

in tvtime (and mythtv) the image is misaligned

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xris:

?

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xris:

misaligned?

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deniidil:

aye

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xris:

like how?

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deniidil:

image from the TV card is 40% vertically misaligned

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deniidil:

the top 60% shows and there is black above that

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xris:

ouch

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xris:

sounds like a messed-up tuner

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deniidil:

grr

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deniidil:

was fine before

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deniidil:

could it be caused by crappy signal?

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xris:

could be

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havoc:

a *very* bad signal

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deniidil:

or bad frequency table?

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GreyFoxx:

wrong tuner detected ?

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xris:

I'd think bad tuner or driver problem, though

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deniidil:

the image is a little noisy where it is showing

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deniidil:

brb

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deniidil:

hmm

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deniidil:

weird

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deniidil:

it's lined up now

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deniidil:

went afk

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deniidil:

it seems to be a little off still

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deniidil:

and i cannot get tvtime to pull up it's menu

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deniidil:

ooh.. it looks like it's zoned in

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ShockValue:

hi all.. i just removed a bunch of channels from my zap2it lineup, and then did a mythfilldatabase, but they still show up in the program guide

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ShockValue:

how do i get rid of them?

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ShockValue:

(oh, and rebooted after a filldatabase)

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xris:

ShockValue: TRUNCATE TABLE channel; TRUNCATE TABLE program;

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xris:

then rerun mythfilldatabase

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ShockValue:

will that hurt any of my recordings or planned-recording schedule?

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xris:

no

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ShockValue:

groovy, thanks man

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xris:

not unless one happens while it's still refilling

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deniidil:

hmm

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deniidil:

anyway to get v4l tell me how good the signal coming into my tuner is?

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bRuZdEGO:

so, Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy. no oe knows anything about his error? mythbackend is reporting it and crashing the service.

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ShockValue:

is "0 rows affected" a good reply? Im not very good with mysql

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xris:

ShockValue: yeah, it's an uncounted result, so it just says zero

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lordkazan:

grrr

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lordkazan:

i hate peer

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ShockValue:

OT: (gentoo) where's the best place to put "hdparm" settings.. rc.local works, but it spams me with messages like it's doing it over and over again

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lordkazan:

he's a punk

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lordkazan:

anyway to get v4l to tell me how strong the signal coming to my bt878 is?

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Beirdo:

not that I've heard of

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Beirdo:

reading the BTTV driver code would give you a definitive answer

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** havoc is fighiting with btty/v4l right now :< **

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havoc:

stupid camserv :<

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lordkazan:

heh beirdo

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lordkazan:

ok my image appears to be zoomed in

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havoc:

anyone ever seen this error? "(V4L) mmap: Invalid argument"

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lordkazan:

i think this is signal

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lordkazan:

this looks to be signal

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lordkazan:

what's the difference between "us-cable" and "us-cable100" tables?

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promacuser:

is there a preferred video format for mythMovie?

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lordkazan:

wtf

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lordkazan:

mythtv-setup keeps telling me /video/mythtv doesn't exist

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lordkazan:

even though it does

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lordkazan:

and it's writeable

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shiznix:

is it owned by the 'mythtv' user ?

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Blerghass:

ShockValue: let me know if it works

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Blerghass:

i mean the new zap2it lineup.

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Blerghass:

ShockValue: about hdparm, there is an hdparm service.

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marcus2:

hm

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marcus2:

quad opteron (2x dual core) with 2gb of ram in 1u for $1800

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lordkazan:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr

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lordkazan:

it's not the signal cable

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xris:

marcus2: you sure it's dual core?

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xris:

(and where?)

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marcus2:

yep i'm sure its dual core

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marcus2:

from a local server vendor

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Beirdo:

offthetruck.com?

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marcus2:

haha no

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marcus2:

huh, quad hot swappable drive bays too

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xris:

yeah, I don't think you can even do that wholesale.... well, depending on the quality of the hardware

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marcus2:

i dunno, this is quality stuff

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marcus2:

supermicro

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marcus2:

i've bought about $200k worth of stuff from these guys, its all good

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Beirdo:

what's the penal code entry for possession of stolen goods?

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xris:

marcus2: where?

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marcus2:

they sell a lot of stuff to msn, and lots of other silicon valley internet companies

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xris:

not exactly "local store" if they can do $200k in orders.

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marcus2:

www.kingstarusa.com

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xris:

thx

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xris:

(have to check out the competition)

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marcus2:

heh

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marcus2:

these guys move a _lot_ of hardware, as far as i can tell

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marcus2:

and they do like zero advertising/marketing

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marcus2:

http://www.kingstarusa.com/1u/opt5.html

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xris:

marcus2: we're pretty much the same way.. siliconmechanics.com

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Beirdo:

"call for pricing"

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Beirdo:

heh

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marcus2:

i doubt they really do much of any business via their website

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marcus2:

thats not really their market

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xris:

sounds like a CA version of us.

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k-man:

hello

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Beirdo:

without the web designer :)

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k-man:

how do i adjust the tv picture to properly fit the tv screen?

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k-man:

is it a modeline thing?

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xris:

k-man: overscan?

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k-man:

what is overscan?

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xris:

Beirdo: we don't have a web designer, either... just me. next version of the site will be much better.

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xris:

k-man: it's what you need

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k-man:

basicaly, i have thin black stripes down the sides of the screen

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lordkazan:

what does "pll=1" do on bttv?

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Beirdo:

heh, I know

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xris:

since we WILL have a web designer.

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Beirdo:

lordkazan, maybe read the driver and find out?

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marcus2:

how come you guys are so much more expensive? ;)

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k-man:

xris, no, i don't think its an overscan thing

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xris:

marcus2: service?

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k-man:

not that i really understand what overscan is

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xris:

k-man: not-fitting on the screen is an overscan thing

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marcus2:

the service from these guys has been spectacular

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lordkazan:

you know beirdo i shouldn't have to read the source code to something to find the answer, but the bttv people stubbornly refuse to make complete documentation

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Blerghass:

xris: what do you think about trying an empty database? Are there any other tables in the database that might affect this?

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k-man:

is there a faq on it somewhere?

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xris:

marcus2: dunno. none of our customers complain about prices. such is the market, I guess.

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lordkazan:

xris: where you control overscan, think that may be my problem

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marcus2:

i spose so

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lordkazan:

xris: would an incorrect pll setting cause that?

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xris:

lordkazan: no clue

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lordkazan:

k

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marcus2:

but $350/ea adds up when buying 20 at a time =D

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lordkazan:

finally found the documentation on the 100th different google search term variation

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k-man:

xris, so how do i get overscan to work with my setup? is it a video card setting?

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k-man:

do i just turn it on and it solves all the problems?

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xris:

k-man: usually a video card setting... google should turn up some info.

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k-man:

thanks

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Blerghass:

xris: what do you think about that last question?

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lordkazan:

PVR-350 has dual tuners right?

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havoc:

the 500

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havoc:

not 350

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lordkazan:

k

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lordkazan:

i knew the 500 did

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lordkazan:

wasn't sure about the 350

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lordkazan:

yeah this tuner is dying :/

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lordkazan:

ordered a pvr-500

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Blerghass:

Worse, now my database is messed up. The front end asks me what language I am using every time I start it. The terminal output shows some database error but I don't have time to look into it right now.

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AngryElf:

hey all, there's an offset of -1 with my channel numbers.....for example, myth thinks channel 35 is 34. This however does not affect the tuning of my channels, if i tune to channel 35 i get channel 35, but myth records it as 1034... this is therefore causing issues with my recording schedules, is there a fix for this?

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deniidil:

rrr

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deniidil:

may not have been my tuner and i already ordered a new one

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deniidil:

grrrr

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deniidil:

it's xv!

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** deniidil is now hopping mad **

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deniidil:

i hate disconnects

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deniidil:

ok.. i'm getting a high pitch squeel out of my audio on some channels

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deniidil:

any ideas?

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ShockValue:

NVP: prebuffering pause <--- :(

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deniidil:

?

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ShockValue:

thats what my system says everytime hdtv stutters

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deniidil:

ah

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deniidil:

specs?

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ShockValue:

2.4g 1g ram nvidia 5200

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deniidil:

ok

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deniidil:

then it should be able to handle it

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deniidil:

you got yourself set for realtime in rlimits?

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ShockValue:

mmm not sure.. where do i set that/

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deniidil:

it's in the installation instructions

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ShockValue:

the cpu maxes out at about 80% reguardless of what HD content im playing.. XVMC or regular

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ShockValue:

oh you mean suid?

[03:59:33]

deniidil:

section 5

[03:59:41]

deniidil:

no not suid

[03:59:44]

deniidil:

absolutely not suid

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deniidil:

rlimits

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ShockValue:

k, let me look that upo

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banyan:

hmm! I had a problem (fixed now) with my cx8800 module that *I thought* was responsible for me not being able to run lircd. But now I have that fixed up, the modules unloaded and reloaded, and I still can't get lircd to run. It says it can't open /dev/lirc — no such device.

[04:02:32]

banyan:

Fair enough, as I had to create /dev/lirc by doing a mknod... but I don't understand what's gone off here. This is just since I started using the 2080 FC5 kernel. Anyone have a clue with this issue?

[04:02:48]

ShockValue:

is there a /dev/lirc/0 ?

[04:02:54]

deniidil:

hrm

[04:03:02]

deniidil:

any ideas on why i would be having some squeel in my audio?

[04:03:14]

deniidil:

(bt878 tuner that uses an external cable to line-in)

[04:03:19]

deniidil:

(onboard AC'97 audio)

[04:03:33]

ShockValue:

deniidil: could be some weird channels unmuted or driven too high maybe?

[04:03:42]

deniidil:

don't think so

[04:03:50]

deniidil:

tried fiddling with audio volumes

[04:03:52]

banyan:

There's an lircd and an lircm. but no character device corresponding to 61, 0, and no directory by the name of lirc.

[04:03:52]

deniidil:

they're all fine

[04:03:57]

deniidil:

only happens on some channels

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deniidil:

i think it's interference

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deniidil:

time to move the box

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xevious:

about to set up a mythtv computer

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xevious:

any recommendations for a distro?

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ShockValue:

is agp speed and fast writes somethign i turn on in software, or in my BIOS?

[04:07:22]

xevious:

i'll probably go with debian, but if i do, which branch of debian should i use?

[04:07:43]

banyan:

Well, there's a distro based on myth and debian I think...

[04:07:48]

banyan:

knoppmyth?

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xevious:

eenteresting

[04:08:07]

banyan:

I'm using fedora core here.

[04:08:26]

xevious:

i've never used fedora core

[04:08:27]

banyan:

mainly seems ok to me. if you're used to debian tho, maybe not so much.

[04:08:34]

xevious:

havent used anything redhat since rh4.2

[04:08:43]

xevious:

well i used later redhats and thought they were terrible

[04:08:54]

xevious:

i dont like rpm very much

[04:09:01]

banyan:

debian has different package management.

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xevious:

which isn't to say it's bad, just not right for me

[04:09:26]

xevious:

i liked rh4.2 though :)

[04:09:29]

banyan:

To me, that's a lot of the difference between distros. package management and repos.

[04:09:43]

xevious:

that's basically the only difference

[04:10:01]

xevious:

slight differences in the locations of certain files too

[04:10:06]

banyan:

True.

[04:10:13]

xevious:

mainly config files

[04:10:27]

xevious:

they're all over the place from distro to distro

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banyan:

now, the rpm nastiness is dealt with by frontends, like yum or yast or you.

[04:10:49]

banyan:

or smart or up2date or...

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xevious:

i just felt that rpm dealt very badly if you wanted to customize stuff

[04:11:10]

xevious:

it got angry at upgrade time

[04:11:21]

xevious:

with debian, apt is just sorta like "whoah, ok..."

[04:11:31]

banyan:

Well, it can do. you have to be careful whose repos you use.

[04:11:49]

banyan:

ah, there is an apt port to rpm as well, come to think of it.

[04:12:01]

banyan:

though I think it's fallen out of favour.

[04:12:02]

xevious:

if all my computers were insanely fast i'd use gentoo for everything

[04:12:08]

xevious:

have you ever tried gentoo?

[04:12:17]

banyan:

no, but is it a bit of a pig?

[04:12:24]

xevious:

how so?

[04:12:30]

xevious:

it's glorious

[04:12:42]

xevious:

you define what features you want

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banyan:

you qualified your statement by saying "if all my computers were insanely fast"

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xevious:

ah

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xevious:

it's source based

[04:12:58]

xevious:

you compile everything you install

[04:13:12]

xevious:

and you can optimize it for exactly the features you want

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banyan:

ah, so itls like rpm with nothing but source rpms.

[04:13:38]

xevious:

say you want absolutely nothing gnome related, you put "-gnome" in your USE setting

[04:13:47]

banyan:

isn't that a bit of a waste, with millions of people recompiling the same code over and over?

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xevious:

banyan: the idea is that you get exactly the code you need, without any extra features that you wouldnt use

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xevious:

basically every program is custom tailored to your use

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xevious:

s/use/usage needs

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banyan:

ok, so you go into #mozilla, say, with some problem and they have to ask you 20 questions about what you compiled in? yoiks!

[04:16:56]

xevious:

well mozilla doesnt have too many options

[04:17:02]

xevious:

it's a fairly straightforward program

[04:17:18]

xevious:

but say you had a program that has a database interface

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xevious:

it has support for mysql, sqlite, and postgresql

[04:17:41]

xevious:

on fedora, the package you got would include support for all of them

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banyan:

OK, that makes sense. why have a ton of stuff you're not using.

[04:18:20]

xevious:

in gentoo, if you know you only use mysql, you put "mysql" in your use flags and every program that has a choice of database support will know to just use mysql

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banyan:

on fedora, more likely there would be the main package plus another package for each database interface.

[04:18:50]

xevious:

actually you'd probably put "mysql -postgres -sqlite"

[04:19:25]

xevious:

but say you wanted to switch to postgres you could just change your USE setting and run two commands and basically be done with the switch

[04:19:32]

xevious:

entirely

[04:19:36]

xevious:

system-wide

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xevious:

even if you have 2000 programs that had mysql support compiled in

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banyan:

I'm not trying to be difficult, but I do see a lot of not very pleasant issues here. compilation for everything... two people's installs for a single package might have completely different issues...

[04:20:19]

xevious:

yeah i definitely see where you're coming from

[04:20:29]

xevious:

but honestly, i've never had a linux system that was this stable

[04:20:31]

banyan:

but I haven't used it. It might be very slick too.

[04:20:36]

xevious:

and easily updated

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banyan:

now, that would be great. on the other hand I went from red hat 9 all the way to fedora core 5 using yum.

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ShockValue:

dont i need =>.79 of PAM to run rlimits?

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xevious:

i must go now

[04:22:22]

xevious:

cigarette and vodka on the rocks is calling me

[04:23:14]

xevious:

banyan: it was delightful talking to you, i definitely suggest at least reading up on gentoo a bit because it's truly an interesting approach to a distribution

[04:23:46]

banyan:

heh, cool — when I buy that 2-gig ram, 64-bit dual core processor machine I very well might.

[04:23:56]

xevious:

:D

[04:24:07]

adipate:

http://www.funroll-loops.org !!!

[04:24:09]

xevious:

i just bought a 2gig ram, 64-bit dual core, dual processor machine :D

[04:24:17]

xevious:

adipate: hehee

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banyan:

you kiddin me?

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xevious:

oh wait

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xevious:

4 gigs

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xevious:

sorry

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banyan:

whose processor? lol

[04:24:38]

banyan:

4 gigs.

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xevious:

dual opteron 280s

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banyan:

Ah, so you went intel.

[04:24:49]

xevious:

amd

[04:24:49]

banyan:

rack mount?

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xevious:

opteron=amd

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xevious:

or did you mean x86/

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xevious:

yes, rackmount

[04:25:17]

banyan:

No, I was wondering intel vs amd

[04:25:31]

banyan:

you researched it and liked what you saw with the opteron more/

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xevious:

it's actually just going to be an audio editing workstation

[04:25:40]

xevious:

banyan: by far

[04:25:51]

xevious:

memory bandwidth was key

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xevious:

especially because i'll be tossing between 64 and 192 tracks of audio around inside it

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banyan:

so you do music! cool!

[04:26:27]

banyan:

what do you use to toss? ecasound or some variant?

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xevious:

it's what i spend all my money on at least

[04:26:41]

xevious:

uh

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xevious:

unfortunately i do all my audio stuff in windows because my multitrack recording interface is closed source

[04:27:07]

xris:

Juski: your theme does not work at ALL with svn

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banyan:

aw.

[04:27:17]

xevious:

i know

[04:27:23]

xevious:

it's a sweet card

[04:27:29]

banyan:

I did some sound editing for plays with ecasound.

[04:27:34]

banyan:

who makes the card?

[04:27:36]

xevious:

i've got 48 inputs and 48 outputs

[04:27:40]

xevious:

mark of the unicorn

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xevious:

i can expand it to 96

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xevious:

i got a MOTU 2408mkIII and then bought a 24I/O to add on to it

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xevious:

http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/

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banyan:

Mark of the unicorn... so do you have a studio?

[04:30:00]

xevious:

a home studio

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xevious:

well

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xevious:

for a home studio it's freakin serious though

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banyan:

no doubt, with 48 inputs.

[04:30:24]

xevious:

i just started building a modular synthesizer too

[04:30:27]

xevious:

that's fun already

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banyan:

you and 47 of your favourite people.

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xevious:

well when i'm playing bass i record 3 to 5 tracks of just my bass

[04:30:59]

xevious:

drums use anywhere from 6 to 16 tracks

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banyan:

you mean modular as in the old boards, those whatchamacallem.

[04:31:26]

banyan:

SD404 or whatever...

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xevious:

www.synthesizers.com

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xevious:

i'm using their components

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xevious:

and a few moog components

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banyan:

like your own synclavier?

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banyan:

sweeeeeeeeet.

[04:33:11]

xevious:

eventually i'll have something like these: http://www.synthesizers.com/portablesystems.html

[04:33:41]

banyan:

lemme guess, you're a fan of pan sonic...

[04:33:43]

banyan:

heh

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xevious:

actually

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xevious:

i'm not familiar

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banyan:

Well, you should gnutella them sometime, they're cool. They're very old school.

[04:35:00]

banyan:

noise and whatnot.

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xevious:

cool

[04:35:04]

xevious:

good tip, thanks

[04:35:31]

xevious:

i wish i had some recordings you could listen to

[04:35:41]

xevious:

but my data drives are sitting on my dining room table right now

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xevious:

given that i'm just starting to set up a mythtv computer, i'm assuming i'll be in here often, so when it's all back up and running i'll send you some stuff

[04:36:51]

xevious:

most of it's pretty, er, far out

[04:37:02]

xevious:

but i have a straight ahead jazz band too

[04:37:17]

xevious:

two bands currently

[04:37:29]

xevious:

jazz group, and funk/hiphop/techno fusion group

[04:37:48]

xevious:

cigarette's really calling me now

[04:37:49]

banyan:

I like far out.

[04:37:54]

banyan:

but been fun!

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xevious:

i'll be back in a bit

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banyan:

have a good time with your ass-whooping machine there.

[04:38:28]

xevious:

well i will when it's put together

[04:38:37]

xevious:

it's all laid out on my table right now

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banyan:

ok, guys! how come I don't get a /dev/lirc device even though my lirc modules are loaded?

[04:41:05]

banyan:

Has something changed about how lirc gets configured?

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JoeyJoeJo:

is anyone in here using the frontend on an intel mac?

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Cromz:

banyan, do you get a /dev/lirc0 ?

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banyan:

I get an lircd and an lircm, which is a p file. I don't know what that is.

[04:51:20]

AngryElf:

hey all, there's an offset of -1 with my channel numbers.....for example, myth thinks channel 35 is 34. This however does not affect the tuning of my channels, if i tune to channel 35 i get channel 35, but myth records it as 1034... this is therefore causing issues with my recording schedules, is there a fix for this?

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JoeyJoeJo:

lircmd is the mouse daemon.. it allows you to use your remote as a mouse

[04:54:58]

banyan:

right, but lircm is the device for the virtual mouse?

[04:55:27]

JoeyJoeJo:

I think so, but then again I've never used it, so I'm not 100% sure

[04:59:24]

banyan:

damn, it's like some config file got replaced or something.

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AngryElf:

banyan, how are you loading the lirc module?

[05:07:00]

banyan:

modprobe.

[05:07:45]

banyan:

AngryElf: I'm unloading lirc_i2c and lirc_dev and then doing a modprobe lirc_i2c.

[05:10:35]

AngryElf:

when you start lircd, what happens?

[05:11:00]

AngryElf:

banyan, ^^

[05:11:27]

banyan:

It couldn't get file information for /dev/lirc (because /dev/lirc doesn't exist).

[05:12:17]

AngryElf:

modprobe lirc_serial ?

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banyan:

I'm also getting a message about inode_doinit_with_dentry returned 22 for dev=dm-0 ino=blahblah...

[05:13:04]

banyan:

could this be an selinux thing?

[05:13:18]

banyan:

I'm using the hauppauge pvr350 receiver.

[05:13:26]

banyan:

so lirc_serial isn't really going to help.

[05:13:35]

banyan:

thanks for taking the time btw!

[05:14:23]

AngryElf:

yea, i've only worked with serial ir receivers, can't help much otherwise

[05:17:42]

xevious:

if i have a IR plug on the motherboard, how do i use that?

[05:17:49]

xevious:

hello again, banyan

[05:18:03]

xevious:

i've surrounded by all the pieces of what will be my mythtv box

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ShockValue:

ok, how is this for weird...

[05:18:29]

banyan:

IR plug on the motherboard.... dunno! depends on if it loads like a serial device.

[05:18:50]

banyan:

I'm gonna try rebooting. I hate doing that but...

[05:19:03]

banyan:

Just seems so unnecessary... so windows-y?

[05:19:21]

ShockValue:

watching a 4:3 broadcast on a 16:9 screen. If i watch it in 4:3, the audio+video stutters every 1 second or so.. if i watch it in 16:9 stretch, it plays back flawlessly

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ShockValue:

this is with a hd3000 watching digital OTA

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ShockValue:

any clues what's going on with that?

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AngryElf:

ShockValue, isn't HDTVA broadcast in 16:9?

[05:22:10]

ShockValue:

no

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ShockValue:

well, maybe hdtv.. but this is standard TV, broadcast digitally

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ShockValue:

currently watching "the apprentice" :)

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AngryElf:

are you sure it's not broadcast in 16:9? because then if you were viewing it in 4:3 there's obviously more overhead converting it, which might have something to do with the stuttering

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ShockValue:

if i turn the aspect adjustment to "off", its 4:3

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ShockValue:

so weird.

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ShockValue:

seems like stretching it would increase stuttering, not decrease it

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xevious:

i sure as hell dont get it

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xevious:

i gotta reboot

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xevious:

kernel upgrade

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xevious:

goodnight folks

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dorel_:

yo yo everyone

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ShockValue:

hey

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ShockValue:

weird problem of the eve: when watching a 4:3 digital broadcast, I get audio/video stutters ever ~1 second. When I change the aspect of it to 16:9 stretch, it plays back perfectly.

[05:34:54]

ShockValue:

there's no appearant CPU change between the 2 modes (both run about ~55%)

[05:35:10]

ShockValue:

im not even sure where to start looking to fix this one :)

[05:37:42]

AngryElf:

hey all, there's an offset of -1 with my channel numbers.....for example, myth thinks channel 35 is 34. This however does not affect the tuning of my channels, if i tune to channel 35 i get channel 35, but myth records it as 1034... this is therefore causing issues with my recording schedules, is there a fix for this?

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ShockValue:

i recall there being some mention of this in the install docs.. are you in canada?

[05:38:33]

AngryElf:

no

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ShockValue:

"This is actually due to the tuner on the video capture device being mis-detected. You must manually specify the tuner type in your /etc/modules.conf. See the video4linux mailing list ( https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/video4linux-list) for more information."

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ShockValue:

copy+paste

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ShockValue:

not sure if it's the same problem that you're having.. but sounds similar maybe?

[05:42:37]

AngryElf:

yea, i found it after you mentioned it, thanx

[05:43:39]

AngryElf:

of course, about a month ago i nuked my server and did ubuntu+myth and i still haven't found what ubuntu has done with modules.conf...it doesn't exist

[05:43:48]

AngryElf:

i guess nows the time to find out where

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ShockValue:

sleep time.. t minus 6 hours and counting until alarm clock :(

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Gumby:

does anyone know what the cause of this message would be in the livetv log..."2006-04–10 22:09:24.611 rebuffering (10241 32768)" With the latest install of mythtv I am getting this message constantly with both my pvr250 and wintv-go

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Gumby:

the latest/my latest

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wylie:

I recently switched my niveus media remote from using GreyFoxx's ati_remote.c patch to use native lirc. Anyone else using native lirc that has highly customized for a remote?

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wylie:

That is, highly customized lircrc

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chinamill:

Hello

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chinamill:

I need some advise for what is leagal before I buy some hardware. Anyone awake?

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Chicago:

Good Morning

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Chicago:

Almost any Hauppauge card will work on an x86 platform... it's good with intel or amd.

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chinamill:

Cardsharing I understand is illeagal...

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Chicago:

what is cardsharing?

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chinamill:

But If I buy a card with a CI slot and a CAM wich I insert my subscriptioncard with, that would be OK, or?

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Chicago:

do you have a website link?

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dasOp:

chinamill: even though there are legal uses for cardsharing, the predominant usage is illegal in nature

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dasOp:

thus, the topic is not to be discussed in here

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dasOp:

CI + CAM is fine tho

[06:56:39]

dasOp:

thats another thing :)

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chinamill:

Chicago: When card info is hacked, not leagal

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Chicago:

ah...

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chinamill:

dasOp: can you recomend some hardware for SI slot and CAM?

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Chicago:

Hi have just compiled mythtv svn... and I'm having some trouble understanding how to test it...

[07:03:58]

chinamill:

I have found: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . AIT&rd=1 I think it is a Twinhan style card. Does anyone have an advise?

[07:04:20]

Chicago:

Basically I have my regular mythtv emerged from gentoo which is running right now... and I'm trying to test the mythtv svn seperately...

[07:05:18]

Chicago:

I run ./mythtv or ./mythfrontend from the new /bin which was installed in the new mythtv directory... but since I haven't compiled mythplugins yet... I don't know why I still see myth music and the other programs still in the frontend...

[07:05:32]

Chicago:

is it possible I'm not running the new mythtv I compiled, but rather the other one that's still installed from gentoo?

[07:08:10]

Chicago:

chinamill: $85.97 isn't a bad price I guess... I've never seen a card like that before.

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dasOp:

chinamill: depends on what kind of card

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dasOp:

american or european standard, what kind of DVB etc?

[07:11:49]

chinamill:

It is for european standard. I consider buying this card http://www.twinhan.com/product_satellite_5.asp does anyone know if it works well with linux?

[07:12:31]

dasOp:

that'd be DVB-S right?

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chinamill:

dasOP: yes, I want to get a conix CAM card.

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dasOp:

I think twinhan cards work

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dasOp:

twinhan also has dvb-s cards with a CI

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dasOp:

err technotrend I mean

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dasOp:

same cards as the hauppage dvb cards

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Chicago:

does the hauppauge 500 have a built in kernel driver for a dvb? or do I still need ivtv?

[07:20:34]

chinamill:

dasOp: OK, I'll have a search

[07:20:55]

dasOp:

I'd check the linuxtv.org wiki

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dasOp:

their card databases are somewhat outdated but searchign their mailing lists should lead you there

[07:21:30]

dasOp:

hauppauge 500 isnt a dvb card

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dasOp:

if you mean pvr-500

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dasOp:

its a dual tuner 150

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Chicago:

Yeah, it's two 150s. When I was compiling the last kernel, I missed a built in driver for it in the dvb section... that's probably because it isn't a dvb card as you said.

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dasOp:

v4l and dvb recently merged

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dasOp:

havent used a really recent kernel, dunno if they're in the same section in the kernel

[07:24:04]

dasOp:

you still need ivtv tho to get the firmware for the card

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Chicago:

did you see my question about testing svn up there?

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dasOp:

not my speciality :P

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dasOp:

I havent the faintest idea what gent00 does with the version you emerged or if paths match between versions

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chinamill:

Qoute: "All the Twinhan DVB-S cards use a LG tuner. If you have a good signal, this tuner is perfectly alright, but in cases of low signals the tuner freaks out.." Does anyone know any card that would have an exelent tuner especially for weak signals?

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Chicago:

dasOp: so the hauppauge 150 isn't in this database on this page right? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge

[07:31:56]

dasOp:

seems to just be dvb cards on that site

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dasOp:

the pvr150/250/350/500 are not dvb cards

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dasOp:

the're analog

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dasOp:

for the hauppauge pvr-series, see the ivtv driver

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Chicago:

dasOp: that's what i've been using for the last year.

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Chicago:

chinamill: have anymore card links?

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chinamill:

Chicago: Have a look at http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S

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chinamill:

hmm, the linux supported DVB CI cads is a jungle for me...

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chinamill:

I want a DVB-s CI HDTV ready card that works with linux... Anyone have any ideas?

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chinamill:

(european standard)

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dorel_:

how do i switch between video sources? (i have defined in mythtv-setup svideo0 svideo1 composit, rf, etc)

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Juski:

dorel: www.mythtv.org/docs/

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Juski:

or just press C

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stuarta:

morning juski

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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laga:

morning guys

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Juski:

think I encountered a problem last night when I set 'dr who' to record one showing a week.. I selected the saturday showing (new series) and in the upcoming recordings list, the old repeats on UKTV showed up

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Juski:

morning laga

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stuarta:

morning laga

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stuarta:

Juski: if the channels are hidden it shouldn't pick them up

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Kavorka:

ive got mythtv working perfectly except for one quirk..when i go to the on screen menu and bring up the brightness option i cant adjust it. does anybody know what the key binding to adjust the brightness is?

[09:07:48]

Kavorka:

ie the left or right arrows to adjust the slider doesnt work

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Kavorka:

and this is a default install

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Kavorka:

im looking at the key bindings via mythweb-settings but im not sure which option moves the slider

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dorel_:

i simply DO NOT understand this!!!

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dorel_:

im sorry im going all crazy

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dorel_:

but its impossible how this thing isnt working out

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Kavorka:

lol

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dorel_:

im connecting a laptop's svideo out to the svideo in input of hauppauge 150

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dorel_:

i'm going through the channels (tuner, composit0, composit1, svideo0, svideo1) with mythtv

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dorel_:

and the only channel its catching is the composit

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dorel_:

but i dont see it well, i see it black&white colors and it's working really slow/delayed

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dorel_:

what the heck is going on?

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Juski:

the laptop is outputting the wrong video standard, or else it's just out of spec

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Juski:

use a proper video source

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Juski:

and the delay comes from the fact it's being encoded to mpeg, and even more so because mythtv buffers it

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dorel_:

when you say a proper video source you mean change settings on mythtv-setup or change the format that the laptop's output?

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Juski:

no I mean use a _proper_ video source, not some fskin laptop tv out you don't know the quality of

[09:30:01]

dorel_:

(the delay isnt a pure delay that i see the image 5 seconds after, i mean that the motion is working slow)

[09:30:49]

dorel_:

about the video source juski – i told you that i've done the same setup with the hauppauge 150 card installed on a windows box and it was just fine. i also connected the laptop's tv out to the tv and also saw fine...

[09:30:50]

Juski:

anyway wtf are you doing testing the card with mythtv? you should be doing cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg & playing test.mpg etc

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dorel_:

i was trying that too.

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Juski:

first establish that the ivtv driver is working right, _then_ investigate mythtv

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dorel_:

i was doing it while looping modes like ivtvctl --set-input=1,2,3,4 etc

[09:31:41]

dorel_:

yeah im not complaining about mythtv here, sorry if it sounded like that

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Kavorka:

anyone have any idea why i cant adjust brightness/contrast/hue ?

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Kavorka:

but i can adjust volume

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stuarta:

morning Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

Good morning stuarta. How's tricks?

[09:45:12]

stuarta:

can't complain. just fixed another bug

[09:46:07]

Merlin83b:

Yay

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Merlin83b:

Played with EIT stuff yet? ;-)

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stuarta:

more working on scanning still

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Merlin83b:

Damn you! :-P

[09:48:30]

stuarta:

well at least eit "works", unlike scanning which is "unwell"

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Merlin83b:

Oh, didn't realise it was still so poorly.

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Merlin83b:

EIT is dodgy on low powered systems though – makes big stuttery!

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stuarta:

might have to implement load average based throttling....

[09:51:11]

stuarta:

scanning is working, but still some significant issues

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hashbang:

I thought EIT was fixed in 0.19-fixes?

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stuarta:

hashbang: we're talking about the rewrite.

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stuarta:

EIT works okay in 0.19, we're putting in better frameworks for 0.20

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fozi:

EIT should be less cpu intensive in svn

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stuarta:

I just need to get the EIT cache further up the chain, so it caches more stuff

[09:57:16]

fozi:

in .19 is an error in the allocator, it's probably worser than plain malloc

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Merlin83b:

I like that moving the cache up thing – it hits MySQL pretty regularly right now (SVN).

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hashbang:

stuarta: fair 'nuff. I'll STFU. ;-)

[10:00:08]

Merlin83b:

That said, I didn't get round to reducing kChunkSize in eithelper.cpp yet

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stuarta:

hashbang: no need to STFU :)

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chinamill:

Have anyone experience of hauppage/technotrent CI units?

[10:03:56]

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laga:

Juski: order the cluechainsaw now! vat + shipping included!

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hashbang:

laga: now with extra "Grrrr!"

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laga:

hashbang: and additional vroooooom!

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Juski:

grr

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stuarta:

crashed again Juski?

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Juski:

nah my ssh connected coughed

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netsurf3:

how do i check what port my backend is running on?

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Juski:

rtfm?

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Juski:

6543 is the default IIRC

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chinamill:

Anyone around with CI experience?

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netsurf3:

i am getting this error from the console know any starting points? 2006-04–11 12:56:38.351 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().

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netsurf3:

Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/tmp/ringbuf1.nuv

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Juski:

check permissions on the ringbuffer directory

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Juski:

verify the tuner card actually works before trying it in mythtv. yada yada yada

[10:59:15]

netsurf3:

what permissions does it require?

[10:59:22]

Juski:

RTFM

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netsurf3:

mmmm icy

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stuarta:

netsurf3: it's not difficult......

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Juski:

icy? what's so hard about reading the bloody documentation?

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** stuarta hands juski the trout **

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Juski:

!trout netsurf3

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** MythLogBot slaps netsurf3 with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

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Juski:

that's better

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Juski:

very therapeutic :-)

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laga:

netsurf3: we get the same questions all the time. so, you read the documentation and our blood pressure stays low. deal? ;)

[11:01:17]

netsurf3:

that the only reason i am using mythtv is because i cannot find any other program that does the record function

[11:01:23]

netsurf3:

:(

[11:01:49]

netsurf3:

it seems i will either have a full PVR or no record at all

[11:02:00]

Juski:

so – do you ever expect to not have to read any instructions before using a complicated bit of equipment?

[11:02:24]

Juski:

play the game – do some work yourself, show willing – then people will help you

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netsurf3:

i normaly dont bother actualy and just work it out. go to instructions if i get stuck

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netsurf3:

!trout netsurf3

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** MythLogBot slaps netsurf3 with a trout on behalf of netsurf3... **

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netsurf3:

:P

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Juski:

I expect you'll have lots of 'fun' and not much luck then

[11:03:34]

netsurf3:

normaly the way things go m:/

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netsurf3:

sorry to upset you guys

[11:04:01]

Juski:

roflmao

[11:04:19]

Juski:

look, just take an hour out & read up a bit

[11:04:28]

Juski:

that's all we're saying

[11:04:53]

stuarta:

there's lots of 'little things' that are TFM that need doing...

[11:05:07]

Juski:

you'll never get mythtv working quickly using a process of trial & error

[11:09:00]

laga:

read the docs and then do the trial&error thingie is more fun :)

[11:09:29]

laga:

when i started with mythtv, my englsih was so bad that i didn't understand half of the documentation. that sucked...

[11:09:49]

netsurf3:

hehh

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Juski:

read lots, several times, then work through it slowly

[11:10:02]

Juski:

I rushed the first time – took me ages to get anything going

[11:10:29]

netsurf3:

ohh right

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netsurf3:

this must be my 3 attempt anyways

[11:10:41]

stuarta:

I got things going, then went back and discovered all the other features I'd been missing

[11:11:07]

netsurf3:

one of the tv grabber scripts is broken though :(

[11:11:55]

Juski:

I saw something new I'd never noticed last night: end recordings late for certain programme categories :-)

[11:12:05]

netsurf3:

cool

[11:13:06]

stuarta:

now if I can just tie that to a recording group...

[11:13:07]

Juski:

now all we need for BBC recordings is "if {previous_show}=="golf" then CANCEL scheduled recording"

[11:13:46]

stuarta:

i still haven't got around to disjointed scheduling methods...

[11:14:02]

Juski:

oh the old "continued after the news" stuff

[11:14:18]

Juski:

I'm hip to that now I've been caught out a couple of times

[11:14:58]

Juski:

I don't think even $ky Plu$ can record shows either side of a news break automatically

[11:15:03]

stuarta:

yeah, I'd like to be able to use find one, when there are 2 showings with newbreaks

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stuarta:

I've worked out the necessary sql

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Juski:

don't make it an option though – cos I think that'd leave the user back at square one

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Juski:

maybe pop up a warning and ask if the user wants to record both sides

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stuarta:

no, i'd do it so there is find one & find one disjointed

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Juski:

eh? so it'd automatically do it, or would the user havea new rule like "find one weekly" – is that what you mean?

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stuarta:

it would be a new recording type like find one weekly...

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Juski:

not so sure that would be an improvement, IMHO. but hey – you'd be waiting a long time for my patch ;-)

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fatmatt:

Juski: need something like that here, if channel=9 then move recording back 1.3hr

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Juski:

cos the user would still have to be aware there's a break for news

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fatmatt:

actually, 15min is worse, shows on after 10pm often get pushed back by some "live" chat/crap show that runs late

[11:22:25]

Juski:

doesn't affect me much, not being a huge user of ITV

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stuarta:

it's relatively obvious since other showings are either shown, or available

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stuarta:

ch5 does it all the time, although the RT EIT data doesn't separate the two halves...

[11:23:36]

Juski:

there were some good arguments on the users list about this

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Juski:

Uk users would be able to get away with auto detection – but people in other countries have channels where they repeat the same movie within a short period

[11:24:37]

stuarta:

once it bugs me enough I'll get around to doing it, give me 6months :)

[11:25:04]

stuarta:

its something that can be mentioned in TFM

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Juski:

you could have a configurable time-slot for detection, but _another_ thing to configure? it's tunable enough I think

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stuarta:

the way I approached it was like this

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stuarta:

assuming eit data: A N B X Y Z

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stuarta:

A=prog N=news B=prog cont, XYZ = other prog

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stuarta:

do funky sql to pickup A as A.starttime – B.endtime

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

sounds good

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Juski:

but why not do the check automagically?

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stuarta:

because say uk history is doing a time team day

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stuarta:

10 episodes back to back.

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Juski:

but not seperated by news..?

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stuarta:

the rule would condense that into lots of overlapping extra long show

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netsurf3:

http://pastebin.ca/49007

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netsurf3:

someone know what is going wrong here?

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stuarta:

the sql required to do anything better than the simple case, hits the DB so hard it's not funny

[11:29:52]

Juski:

stuarta: ouch

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Juski:

why not just check when you select a show to be recorded?

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Juski:

then it goes "hello – same program is shown after show X – do you wanna record that too?"

[11:31:10]

stuarta:

the SQL is already evil -> http://mythtv.pastebin.com/653252

[11:31:13]

fatmatt:

I'm getting dma issues with my motherboard, basically if I try and add anymore hardware than I have in it at the moment then I get CRC errors on hard drives or I get dvb-t tuner card problems, anyone recomend a good mb or some sort of fix

[11:31:15]

fozi:

fatmatt: i've working on something like PDC-controled recordings for DVB

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Juski:

that wouldn't be too hard I imagine, but it'd have to be put into mythweb aswell

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fatmatt:

fozi: what do you mean by pdc?

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Juski:

stuarta: is that evil SQL?

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Juski:

pdc == program delivery control

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Juski:

fozi: so are UK stations actually using the tvanytime extensions now?

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Juski:

netsurf3: try installing XMLTV

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Juski:

and/or the xmltv perl modules... read a fscking howto for gods' sakes :-)

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Juski:

time to go get wet anyway

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fozi:

Juski: never heard of tvanytime, I'm using DVB-EI now/next Tables

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netsurf3:

juski according to my system it is already

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netsurf3:

and i still cant watch tv :/

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Juski:

fozi: there's a subset of that & I've seen some call it the tvanytime extensions...

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Juski:

anyway one thing's fer sure – we won't be having no hosepipe bans in manchester this summer :-D

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Juski:

netsurf3: maybe you're missing some perl modules

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netsurf3:

probably

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netsurf3:

perl stuff never seems to work for me :(

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netsurf3:

theres something screwy going on still with my tvcard

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hashbang:

Juski: I'm with you; if (show+2.title == show.title and show+1.title is like '%news%' then record show2)

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hashbang:

fatmatt: what kind of DMA errors?

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fatmatt:

umm, I don't have the logfile here... I removed the new hardware and got it all working again, but.. things like timeouts and lost irq

[11:57:32]

chinamill:

Does anyone know of a well working card with CI connection?

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Juski:

try the wiki at www.linuxtv.org, chinamill

[12:05:20]

Juski:

there's bob all documentation on how well myth works with paytv though

[12:06:25]

deniidil:

Warning: any ATI driver after 8.20.8 = corrupt Xv

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Juski:

I stopped reading after ATI

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dorel_:

juski, i just connected some other device, this web security camera

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dorel_:

im still only recieving signals on composite0 and its ofcourse blurry, in b&w colors

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Juski:

dorel_ then you probably have the wrong video standard selected or the card is faulty

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Juski:

or maybe the driver is borked

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dorel_:

mmm, can i compare my driver with yours?

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Juski:

what driver?

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chinamill:

deniidil: thanks, I'm looking there but it's hard to find cards will work without any problems...

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dorel_:

the video driver on linux

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Juski:

dorel_: you mean ivtv? I'm using PAL, on ivtv 0.4.2

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Juski:

you _are_ using ivtv drivers aren't you?

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dorel_:

yep

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dorel_:

ivtv0.4.4

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dorel_:

where do you set if it's pal or ntsc?

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Juski:

ivtvctl I think

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Juski:

do ivtvctl -U

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Juski:

that'll tell you what standard the card is set to

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Juski:

I don't know what standards all the codes refer to though

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dorel_:

mine is: Video standard = 0x000000ff

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dorel_:

no idea what that means though :P

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Juski:

dorel_: that's PAL. are you in the US/Canada?

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dorel_:

I'm in Israel, thats middle east

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Juski:

hrm

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dorel_:

or maybe could count as europe system i think

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Juski:

israel uses PAL IIRC

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Juski:

but maybe the laptop you tried outputs NTSC

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Juski:

and that camera thing – maybe that's also NTSC

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Juski:

if you're only testing the card you can try

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dorel_:

yep

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dorel_:

so i can try on the fly while mythfrontend is runing to change the -u settings right?

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Juski:

ivtvctl -u 0x00003000

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Juski:

erm I dunno

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Juski:

not while the card is capturing I don't think

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dorel_:

ok

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dorel_:

lets see

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Juski:

so like I said – I think the video standard is wrong – you should really test the hardware with _proper_ signals

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Juski:

hell even a vcr or dvd player would be better for testing with

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dorel_:

alright

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dorel_:

ill bring tomorrow a vcr or dvd from home and test it

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netsurf3:

ok i have googled and things but still cant find the problem with this

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netsurf3:

it cant read the ringbuf1.nuv

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netsurf3:

endlessly looping this

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netsurf3:

2006-04–11 15:08:12.024 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().

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netsurf3:

2006-04–11 15:08:12.233 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().

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netsurf3:

Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/var/video/ringbuf1.nuv

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Cromz:

remotefile but the address is localhost. is this on the same machine?

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netsurf3:

yes

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netsurf3:

:S

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Cromz:

does the frontend have access to that file? as in premissions to read? and does it exsist?

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netsurf3:

the file doesnt exist

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netsurf3:

but it has permisson

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netsurf3:

hmm

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Cromz:

version .18 right?

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netsurf3:

it didnt chmod properly :/

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netsurf3:

yeah

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Cromz:

heh

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netsurf3:

*grumble

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netsurf3:

i will look at using home

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Cromz:

I setup mine to go to a seperate drive ;) a 60gig (which is too small now) lol

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netsurf3:

hehe

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netsurf3:

now i am getting backend problems

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netsurf3:

:(

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deniidil:

anyone got recommendations for a good PCI soundcard

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netsurf3:

soundblaster

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netsurf3:

:)

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deniidil:

i normally get emu10k1s but i've seen some stuff about them not being the best for myth

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Juski:

soundblaster? no way

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Juski:

if you wanna use digital audio just buy some $10 card with spdif/toslink

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Juski:

you don't need all the fancy DSP shite you pay $$$ for from Creative cos it doesn't work in Linux anyway

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Cromz:

ahh but I got an orginal sb live in mine.. ;)

[13:17:52]

Cromz:

was laying around the house not being used and I needed a sound card. lol

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Juski:

everyone needs an excuse :-P

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netsurf3:

hehe

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deniidil:

got any recommendations juski?

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Juski:

doesn't really matter much how cheap the card is if you only use digital connections

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netsurf3:

SB live are only penuts anyway arnt they?

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deniidil:

the onboard AC97 on my system gives me a squeal on about 1/2 of channels

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Juski:

but with analogue outputs you get what you pay for

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deniidil:

netsurf3: aye

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deniidil:

like $25 for one of the Live 5.1s

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netsurf3:

yeah

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netsurf3:

i could understand if it was something like the new gaming one

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Cromz:

I couldn't use the onboard. it would lock up my myth box when I tried to access it via network :/ damn tyan dualie board.

[13:19:50]

netsurf3:

i think i will leave myth for a while :/

[13:20:18]

Juski:

7.1 is BS IMHO

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stuarta:

wtf are the extra 2ch's for???

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deniidil:

good question

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Juski:

left & right middle

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netsurf3:

we only have two ears though :?

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Juski:

you have front L+R, middle L+R, rear L+R, centre & a sub

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deniidil:

netsurf3: umm..

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stuarta:

waste of 2 good speakers that is

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Juski:

and/or a rear centre speaker

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deniidil:

you can tell the difference between 2ch and 5.1 and we only have two ears:P

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Juski:

duh

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netsurf3:

maybe 5.1 you can

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Juski:

how can you tell if something is in front of you or behind you by sound alone? :-/

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deniidil:

part of your sensing what direction audio is coming from is the lag between it being received by both ears

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stuarta:

spatial & flat

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netsurf3:

but 7.1 i think not

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deniidil:

aye 7.1 = overkill

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Juski:

more money!

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deniidil:

exactly

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Juski:

sell more boxes!!!

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netsurf3:

7.1= money spinner

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deniidil:

gimmie gimic!

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netsurf3:

heheh

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Juski:

picture phones

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Juski:

mobile TV

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Juski:

ringtones

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netsurf3:

hehe

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Juski:

etc

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d64:

also sound coming from front or rear sounds different due to the shape of the ear

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netsurf3:

7.1 mobile phone :P

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Juski:

look at that yamaha 5.1 system – and it's two units... a sub & one 'speaker'

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stuarta:

turn 2.1 up loud enough, you don't even need 5.1 :)

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netsurf3:

hear you loved one in surround sound

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netsurf3:

hehe

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Juski:

I love my stereo all the way up to 11

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netsurf3:

your a mad man

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stuarta:

while playing Spinal Tap?

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netsurf3:

well i assume man

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Juski:

could hardly believe it when I turned it up that loud & the number 11 showed on the display

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Juski:

seriously

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netsurf3:

1100 db?

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netsurf3:

:P

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praet:

lo folks

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Juski:

yamaha have a sense of humour, methinks :-)

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netsurf3:

heh

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praet:

what do you guys use to monitor servers?

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deniidil:

know anything about Turtle Beach cards?

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Juski:

Turtle Beach – nice quality

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deniidil:

supported?

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stuarta:

praet: lots of things, what are you after

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Juski:

do your research to make sure they're supported in linux though

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deniidil:

Turtle Beach Riviera 5.1

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praet:

stuarta: something web-based that can tell if networked computers are up (and can be configured)

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praet:

didnt want to code one myself

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Juski:

netsurf3: 0dB on my system == close to 100dBA where I sit

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stuarta:

look at cacti. bit of overkill, but it's pretty

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netsurf3:

juski so your asking to go def?

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praet:

stuarta: oh nice

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praet:

just what i was looking for. do you use it yourself?

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deniidil:

sweet

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deniidil:

looks like it's supported

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stuarta:

not really, rolled my own graphs using the same stuff behind cacti

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stuarta:

may move to it later, but currently have no need other than testing

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d64:

that's easier than it sounds like btw

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d64:

two weeks ago i built a graphing tool with some shell scripts and rrdtool

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stuarta:

d64: as long as you don't mind command lines :)

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d64:

or a job that takes in data and makes graphs

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stuarta:

got bored and worked out snmp support for my MB sensors

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praet:

i was going to code with live scripts just to check if a comp is up/down, then pop it into a site

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stuarta:

now have nice fan & temp graphs.

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deniidil:

someone on the mailing list is using this card :D

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praet:

but this is great

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stuarta:

praet: serious overkill for what you want though.

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d64:

speaking of easy.. if i do nc -lu 9999, that command should catch any udp traffic to that port, right?

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praet:

its more than i want but ive got the resource to host it

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praet:

and wanted something that used a db backend

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praet:

(i was looking at smokeping and other stuff on freshmeat)

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stuarta:

be rude not to use it then...

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chinamill:

Does anyone use a Technotrend 1500 card?

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praet:

seems right d64 – for localhost right

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Beirdo:

stuarta, yeah, I did the sensors -> snmp thing a while ago too.. I'm a cacti whore :)

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stuarta:

i just haven't cacti'd it yet. still on the homegrown stuff

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deniidil:

i guess my $850 in credit card activity has made my card get flagged :D lol [i rarely use it] – $370 glasses, $130 for pet stuff for my fiancee, $150 for PVR-500, $50 for Houstan Dynamo vs Kansas City wizards tickets

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Juski:

netsurf3: it's not like I listen to stuff that loud very often. last time was at our little new years party at home

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netsurf3:

:)

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stuarta:

Beirdo: housekeeping?

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Beirdo:

yeah, he was banned 6 months ago, and he's been behaving lately under another nick

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Beirdo:

I guess we'll let him stay behaving :)

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laga:

na, i'd kb him again for ban overriding

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, if he'd done it like a week after or something, I probably would

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Beirdo:

but 6 months should be enough, I think

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netsurf3:

yeah

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netsurf3:

give hima chance

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netsurf3:

you can always ban him again

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Beirdo:

true

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Juski:

laga: hello. you sent that email yet? ;-)

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laga:

Juski: what mail? the "i'm gonna kill you all" mail?

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Juski:

laga: yeh

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Juski:

no – the texts for me doing the deutsche version of the mythtv video

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laga:

Juski: no, sorry :/ i was taken out for drinking yersterday... ;)

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

alright for some

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Beirdo:

where's AngrySanta?

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Beirdo:

or is AngryElf angry because of what BadSanta did to him... Hmmmm.

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psofa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI -> it says The passthrough adds significant interference to the signal when the computer is operating, enough to impair analogue picture quality severely, and cause the occasional stream glitch in some other DVB-T units.

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psofa:

is the passthrough my only option?

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psofa:

or i can just recieve the stream through the pci bus and do whatever i want with it?

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Juski:

psofa: they mean passing the aerial signal to another card

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Juski:

you're better off using an aerial amp instead

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Juski:

if you want to supply more than one tuner from one aerial connection

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psofa:

Juski, oh

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psofa:

np then

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Beirdo:

amp + splitter?

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Juski:

or split amp

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Beirdo:

that's how I do my analog cable

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Juski:

either or ;-)

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Beirdo:

split amp = amp + splitter in most cases :)

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Beirdo:

but yeah

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Beirdo:

I have amp -> 50ft of cable -> 1:2 splitter -> 2 * 1:4 amp/splitter

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo is admittedly a geek **

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Beirdo:

works quite nicely though

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Chacabaou:

!seen xris

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MythLogBot:

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Juski:

I'm gonna need to get my mythtv aerial outside this summertime – when I tidy up my attic

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hashbang:

psofa: would recommend something like http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5344259.htm

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psofa:

btw for dvb-t do i need a new antenna or not? i found a source that says i need one if my regular antenna is too old

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Juski:

psofa: totally depends on where you live and what kind of aerial you have now

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Juski:

psofa: if your current aerial is a 'wideband' (Group W) you'll be ok

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psofa:

carp ive no idea

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psofa:

:D

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Juski:

if not, get it changed

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psofa:

*crap

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Juski:

reason being – in the old days aerials were optimised to be sensitive to a group of frequencies – and all the local TV stations would be in one group

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kazan:

thanks beirdo!

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Juski:

hence groups A,B,C,D, etc

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kazan:

now i can connect from work again and use my real name :D

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Juski:

since DVB came along, transmitters now use more of the UHF band, meaning that to get optimum reception you might need a wideband aerial :-)

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** kazan grumbles about XVideo problems **

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Juski:

oh, and psofa: even if you get good reception now you might need to change aerials when analogue is switched off – there's been talk of some digital transmitters changing frequency

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Juski:

bet you wish you'd never asked now eh? ;-)

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laga:

questions are expensive

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Juski:

but talk is cheap :-)

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Juski:

unless it's 0898 dirty talk

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Juski:

"spank my naughty mythtv backend" 0898 4857678

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laga:

you need to cut down on #mythtv-users

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Juski:

I almost got sane again when the firewall was closed

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laga:

and they opened it again?

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Juski:

yeh they did

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laga:

suckers ;)

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Juski:

considered trying to get banned

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Juski:

that's not the answer though

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

maybe bondage? and 'loose' the key?

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Juski:

eh?

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Juski:

hypnosis maybe

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laga:

well, if you're strapped to the bed/heating, you can't be here

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kazan:

ha

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Juski:

there are more downsides to that

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Juski:

suppose I could just block the port on my router so I can't log into here from work

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laga:

well, does your work site have a static ip?

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Juski:

I'm not gonna IP tables it

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kazan:

hey xris

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kazan:

it wasn't my tuner

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Juski:

ah sod it – self control is the answer :-)

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Juski:

(whatever that is)

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laga:

Juski: or booze.

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xris:

Juski: PG doesn't work well with svn

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Juski:

xris: what's up widdit?

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xris:

the opengl transitions blank the screen.. get only the background.

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xris:

need to force a refresh to see the art/buttons again

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Juski:

ugh. how do I fix that then?

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Juski:

well, you will go using SVN :-P

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Juski:

seriously though I'll take a look at it when I can. I won't be able to test it for a while though

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Juski:

I take it there are theme patches in to fix that in other themes?

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Juski:

.. or is it that opengl texture buffer problem I read about? the graphic files for my theme are among the biggest of any themes (in filesize)

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xris:

Juski: no clue

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xris:

I just know that it doesn't work.

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xris:

myth resizes the theme images, though, so your source images shouldn't be that bad...

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xris:

and fyi, midnight is much larger than PG

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xris:

and I don't like it so much anymore. heh... I like yours better (if it worked)

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Juski:

I'll have a look at it – would you mind doing the tryouts?

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xris:

no problem

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xris:

well, aside from the fact that when I'm around to test, you're sleeping.

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Juski:

cool – thanks for letting me know anyway

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Juski:

we'll work something out I'm sure

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** xris wants comcast to call about his new internet connection **

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xris:

I think I can dig this firewire tv stuff, too... doesn't look so hot on my monitor, but looks awesome on the tv

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Merlin83b:

Hi xris? This is comcast. We're not going to let you have teh intarweb.

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kazan:

US cable companies suck arse

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kazan:

and movie companies

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kazan:

and video companies

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kazan:

US "content providers" suck

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kazan:

[/rant]

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** Juski goes to check the devs list **

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xris:

kazan: not much choice if you want "content", though

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Juski:

xris: looking at mythcenter's theme.xml I can't see anything that leaps out at me

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kazan:

aye

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Juski:

only thing I can see is that I'm missing a <logo> and a couple of new buttondefs

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xris:

Juski: check Blue?

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Juski:

blue was last updated 4 months ago (the,e.xml)

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Juski:

unless it's something to do with qtlook.txt

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phatmonkey:

I have two tuners: one on UK freeview, the other on UK analogue. I have got it all set up, but they are on seperate channels, so they often record the same thing when something is scheduled. how can I stop this?!

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phatmonkey:

or "merge" the channels

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Juski:

phatmonkey: we've been here before. you can't have a channel with 2 sources anymore

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phatmonkey:

so.... I'm stuffed?

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Juski:

I'd have thought it'd only record one showing at a time though

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Juski:

and then only once unless you tell it otherwise

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Zider:

yay! first sound from mythtv :D

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phatmonkey:

yes, but when there are showings without a description, it records both of them!

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phatmonkey:

Juski: surely there is a way to say that if they have the same channel number, treat them as the same channel?

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Juski:

phatmonkey: not much you can do about that without changing how myth decides what's a duplicate

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phatmonkey:

I can't think of any reason why that would not cause any troubles

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phatmonkey:

mkay

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phatmonkey:

how does it decide what is a duplicate?

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Juski:

phatmonkey: 2 channels with the same number, myth will only use the first

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Juski:

phatmonkey: you can decide how it checks for duplicates

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Juski:

see the docs :-) or dig around in setup > tv > general IIRC

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Juski:

dammit I'm gonna need help to fix this theme issue. I'm lost as to what the cause is xris

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phatmonkey:

there's very little documentation I can find on this

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phatmonkey:

in the wiki & /docs/

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phatmonkey:

I'll check out those settings, thanks

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Juski:

might be in mythtv-setup – can't remember

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Juski:

definitely configurable on a per-recording basis too

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phatmonkey:

yeah, it's not on the frotnend

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Juski:

mythweb has those options

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phatmonkey:

might help making the callsigns and names the same I suppose

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phatmonkey:

Juski: nothing about dupliactes in mythtv-setup either!

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Anduin:

channel matching happens with callsign

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Juski:

oo look in mythweb... 'duplicate check method'... drop down menu choices of none, subtitle, description, or subtitle & description. how about that ;-)

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phatmonkey:

ah right, the recording duplicates

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Juski:

xris: does mythfrontend spit any errors out when you're using my theme?

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phatmonkey:

but surely that wouldn't stop identical recordings at the same time on the same channel from recording if they didn't have a description or subtitle!

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xris:

Juski: didn't look

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Juski:

why don't they have descriptions anyway, phatmonkey? even the adult channels get show descriptions

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Juski:

xris: if you get a chance can you try? I need to get a handle on this or it's gonna bite me ;-)

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phatmonkey:

oh right, yes, they do have descriptions

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phatmonkey:

this is going to stop regular shows which all have the same description though isn't it?

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xris:

Juski: yeah, I'll try to remember to check when I get home tonight

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Juski:

cheers. looking in the wiki – maybe there are some notes there

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xris:

phatmonkey: you can pick how you want to determine duplicates.

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xris:

.... for each recording schedule.

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phatmonkey:

ok

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phatmonkey:

but then it's going to record two of them all the time ;)

[17:05:17]

phatmonkey:

it's a shame you can't link two channels some way

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Juski:

that wouldn't make any sense though

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phatmonkey:

they have exactly the same schedule

[17:05:52]

phatmonkey:

I don't see why it can't be done

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Juski:

cos you get the odd channel like abc1 which isn't on air as long on freeview as it is on cable

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phatmonkey:

in this case, I'm using exactly the same xmltv source

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xris:

phatmonkey: pretty sure myth recognizes that if they have the same number, it know they're the same channel

[17:07:15]

phatmonkey:

quick question: how does low, medium and high in the cd ripper settings translate to bit rates? I want to encode in MP3 at 192kbit/s

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Anduin:

xris: call sign

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xris:

phatmonkey: you want cbr? that sounds silly

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xris:

Anduin: thx

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phatmonkey:

ok, VBR, but what exactly do the low/medium/high settings mean?

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phatmonkey:

how low is low? hehe

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xris:

phatmonkey: it's probably a quantisation setting.. same bitrate parameters for all of them... just more of the low/high depending on quality

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phatmonkey:

ok

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xris:

that's why I rip my own stuff (to ogg, too)

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phatmonkey:

sigh, I wish I wish my ipod would support ogg

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phatmonkey:

that's the only reason I use mp3

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Juski:

ipoo can support ogg okay

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Juski:

if you put linux on it :-P

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xris:

phatmonkey: I have an ogg->aac converter script

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xris:

I only put 128kbps type stuff on my ipod

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phatmonkey:

Juski: yeah, but it's not quiiite refined yet ;)

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phatmonkey:

how long does it take to convert stuff?

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xris:

phatmonkey: that depends on the hardware

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Juski:

sod it – time to go home & I have the day off tomorrow :-D

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xris:

and how much "stuff" is

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xris:

Juski: :)

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phatmonkey:

well that's odd

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phatmonkey:

file not found on something that's recording

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phatmonkey:

I'll try restarting the backend

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phatmonkey:

no luck, and no errors in the mythbackend log either

[17:16:09]

phatmonkey:

how annoying

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xris:

phatmonkey: does the file exist?

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phatmonkey:

I guess the filename is in the database?

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phatmonkey:

I'll have a look

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phatmonkey:

ah, it'll be in mythweb

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xris:

phatmonkey: should be.

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xris:

even downloadable if you're using svn. :)

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phatmonkey:

hmm

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phatmonkey:

not in record or recorded

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phatmonkey:

ah

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phatmonkey:

got the filename

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phatmonkey:

it does exist!

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phatmonkey:

and permissions are fine

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phatmonkey:

there's something else in the reocrding list now, one sec

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phatmonkey:

uhm

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phatmonkey:

now it just crashes

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phatmonkey:

I'll try it with the client on here

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phatmonkey:

this one crashes too

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phatmonkey:

ah, the new one plays a bit

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phatmonkey:

I think it's just low reception

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Chicago:

I compiled myth SVN.. (I'm on Gentoo)... now how can I test it...? I still have the regular gentoo emerged and I want to be able to use both the emerged version and the svn version. It seems even when I'm in the SVNs /bin directory and run ./mythfrontend that I'm always loading the emerged version and never the svn version.

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Anduin:

Chicago: Why are you trying to run both?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's definitely using the correct binary if you do it like that, so chances are it has to do with libraries..setting the enviroment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include the path to the svn's libraries should possibly fix it (Although, mythfrontend will still most likely execute the wrong 'mythtv' binary when watching tv)

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Chicago:

Anduin: testing. 1.) I want to patch in a version of mythstream which supposedly works better with svn 2.) I want to do some patching of mythweb which is for the current svn.

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Anduin:

Chicago: So you won't be using the same database right?

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Chicago:

Anduin: nah, I will make a new database... but I'm not sure how the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt will work with two different versions trying to run.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

run them as different users? :)

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Chicago:

RaYmAn-Bx: good thinkin

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RaYmAn-Bx:

or patch the source to use .mythtvsvn/mysql.txt :)

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Chicago:

RaYmAn-Bx: I haven't looked at the source yet. Do you know where that setting is?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

No idea :)

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Chicago:

I don't have LD_LIBRARY_PATH defined...

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RaYmAn-Bx:

define it then ;)

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Chicago:

Is that a mythtv environment variable... or something that qt and x might also look for?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's a linux enviroment variable

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it just tells the dynamic library loader where to look for libraries

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you probably also want to stuff the mythtv svn bin directory in front of the PATH enviroment variable as well

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Chicago:

wow... this is kinda messy

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Chicago:

Is there another way?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I doubt it..How is it supposed to know whether to use your svn version of the files or the installed versions if you don't tell it?

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Chicago:

I used the working directory in my /svn/mythtv todo ./mythfrontend... I hoped that would do it.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it still has to look somewhere when executing subprograms and getting libraries

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xris:

Chicago: not to mention the config files and database connection info

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xris:

I think most people running svn either do it exclusively or set up a separate box/vserver/xen

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Anduin:

Chicago: You are trying to run without installing?

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Chicago:

In my ./configure I set a --prefix=/mythsvn so after I did make and then install... the files were put into my /mythsvn dir.

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Anduin:

Chicago: Yeah, without modifying the library path that just isn't going to work

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Chicago:

After setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to my /mythsvn/lib, will that start making lots of my other programs check in /mythsvn/lib before they load their libraries too?

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xris:

Chicago: if you do it globally, yes

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Anduin:

Chicago: You don't need to set it globally, and if you'd just run it as a different user it wouldn't matter.

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Chacabaou:

Hello xris.

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Chacabaou:

xris: It looks like the current mythweb tries to load the preview pixmaps in 'recording programs' even if the setting is false. Could you check that?

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Chicago:

is there a way to set a library path at the command line when running ./mythtv-setup or ./mythtv or ./mythfrontend?

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Chicago:

in line with the command so that I don't need an environment variable set?

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xris:

Chacabaou: put in a bug or I'll forget

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Chacabaou:

xris: Ok.

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Chicago:

I just tried as root setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and then running mythtv again... I know it found the right files that time for the most part... because when I said watchTV... it quit with an error about my DirectFB which I compiled into the SVN version. :)

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Anduin:

Chicago: Yes, but does everything have to be harder?

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Chicago:

Anduin: hehe, sometimes it does...

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Chicago:

Anduin: maybe I need to read about this somewhere... is that covered in a mythtv doc? or would I really just need to know from asking somebody?

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Anduin:

Chicago: Not covered in the myth docs, this is basic *nix stuff (except the mysql.txt file).

[17:48:08]

Chicago:

Anduin: well how would you set it up if you use gentoo as a workstation... and want mythtv emerged... and at the same time, want your same user you always use... to be able to test the svn version too...

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Anduin:

Chicago: Change how I wanted it set up.

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TheFloyd:

ok, this is scary

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TheFloyd:

i just googled for mythweb "no data"

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TheFloyd:

and found several peoples' open mythweb setups

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TheFloyd:

nevertheless, any idea why mythweb would be showing "no data" on one of my data sources, when in fact the data is there in the db and mythfrontend seems to show it fine?

[17:53:17]

Chicago:

TheFloyd: I found some documentation that screwed up explaining howto get htpasswds and htaccess working... maybe others read it too...

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Anduin:

You should teach them a lesson and record something on HGTV.

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TheFloyd:

anduin- HGTV 24x7

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TheFloyd:

till their disk runs outta space

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TheFloyd:

haha

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Chicago:

Anduin: well if my regular user is doing kde/x... can I have another user use the DirectFB? putting mythtv in 1 virtual terminal and keeping kde/x on VT7?

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xris:

TheFloyd: never seen that no data issue... only when there really isn't data

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Anduin:

Chicago: How does the number of user accounts change that?

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Chicago:

Anduin: the other user account can have LD_LIBRARY_PATH in his profile. That way he'll easily hopefully always see the SVN code instead of the emerged gentoo mythtv.

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TheFloyd:

xris- but mythfrontend shows data :)

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TheFloyd:

and recording schedule as expected

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TheFloyd:

recordingS schedule too

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Anduin:

Chicago: Yes, two users good, one user bad. I just don't see how one user = better.

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Chicago:

Anduin: Well, can I run mythsvn windowed in my regular users kde/x???

[18:03:06]

Anduin:

Chicago: assuming cookies and perms are right, yes.

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jchillerup:

Hi. Is it possible to get a tuner card with both MPEG encoder and decoder AND with a FM tuner?

[18:05:30]

xris:

jchillerup: pvr-150

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mchou:

xris: that doesnt have decoder

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Chicago:

Anduin: so should I run them as 1 database with two backend servers of mythtv running? so that they share the hauppauge 500-mce correctly? Or 2 databases 2 mythbackends and maybe they'll not share the hauppauge correctly.

[18:05:58]

jchillerup:

But the PVR series does have a radio tuner?

[18:05:58]

Anduin:

350, but you don't want it.

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xris:

oh, missed that part

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jchillerup:

I've considered 350.

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jchillerup:

Why, Anduin

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Anduin:

Chicago: You cannot run different versions of myth and use the same database, at least not for long, or very successfully.

[18:06:58]

Chicago:

that makes sense.

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jchillerup:

Anduin, is PVR-350 that bad?

[18:07:45]

kazan:

i hate sanctimonious blame-shifting dumbass marketing people

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Anduin:

jchillerup: Why do you need the decoder?

[18:08:01]

Beirdo:

Microsoft sucks

[18:08:03]

mchou:

kazan: haha, what happened?

[18:08:16]

jchillerup:

Anduin, cause then I can watch dvds with a cheaper processor

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xris:

jchillerup: new processor?

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Chicago:

So how do you tell mythweb to run mythfilldatabase?

[18:08:40]

mchou:

jchillerup: like what proc are we talking about?

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kazan:

give me [the programmer] the impression that you're waiting for client approval to push some features into test and then prod at the same time i'm coding the features – and then two days later after I haven't heard anything from you have the gall to bitch at me for not telling you they were completed and try and blame shift on me after i explain that I was under the impression that she was already getting the approval so I was waiting for he

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meushi:

Beirdo: and that's news?

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xris:

Chicago: you don't, you run mythfilldatabase by hand

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Anduin:

jchillerup: The extra money the 350 costs could get you a processor upgrade.

[18:09:06]

jchillerup:

mchou, I thought of buying one of the fanless eden boards

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Beirdo:

meushi: of course not :)

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mchou:

jchillerup: man, you're making some bad decisions

[18:09:34]

jchillerup:

I am?

[18:09:42]

xris:

jchillerup: pvr-350 is way overpriced. and ONLY displays mpeg2, meaning you'd miss out on a lot of pieces of myth that don't display mpeg2, and have to do hackish things to get the menus to work, etc.

[18:09:44]

kazan:

and that's why she got replaced by someone several decades her younger as director of marketing – because the new DoM knows how to talk to programmers

[18:09:47]

mchou:

jchillerup: imho, yes

[18:09:56]

jchillerup:

Ok. What would you guys suggest

[18:10:02]

kazan:

but she still lurks around as "director of local marketing"

[18:10:26]

mchou:

kazan: local marketing?? haha!!

[18:10:32]

jchillerup:

As cheap as possible, but still capable of playing dvds

[18:10:35]

jchillerup:

And TV

[18:10:48]

mchou:

kazan: what is this, a local TV station? :)

[18:11:31]

mchou:

jchillerup: what's your budget?

[18:13:17]

Chicago:

Should I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for a specific user in that users .bash_profile / .bashrc? Where is the best place to put it?

[18:13:37]

jchillerup:

mchou, Max $1000.. That is, ?600

[18:13:56]

jchillerup:

And it doesn't have to be anything special.

[18:14:05]

xris:

$1000 isn't a "cheap" machine

[18:14:14]

mchou:

jchillerup: man, if you have that kind of budget go for a a64 3000+

[18:14:17]

jchillerup:

Yes, with Danish taxes

[18:14:29]

jchillerup:

But it needs to be able to play dvd, tv, radio etc etc

[18:14:35]

mchou:

jchillerup: cool and quiet

[18:14:36]

jchillerup:

And it has to be _silent_

[18:14:41]

meushi:

jchillerup: buy from germany and smuggle in? :)

[18:14:45]

jchillerup:

Heh

[18:14:50]

jchillerup:

Well.. I could..

[18:14:53]

meushi:

it's not that far

[18:14:56]

mchou:

jchillerup: my a64, I can hear the HDD seeks

[18:15:03]

mchou:

that's how quiet it is :)

[18:15:11]

jchillerup:

Ok.. I guess it's not passively cooled

[18:15:12]

jchillerup:

Is it?

[18:15:25]

mchou:

jchillerup: nope. Stock fans

[18:15:34]

jchillerup:

ok.. It has to be small, too

[18:15:39]

mchou:

lol

[18:15:44]

kormoc:

get a mac mini and mod it

[18:15:47]

jchillerup:

heh

[18:15:49]

kormoc:

water cool for the win!

[18:15:50]

mchou:

then go buy a mac mini

[18:15:51]

jchillerup:

It has to be able to fit into one of those nice dvd-like cases.

[18:16:01]

jchillerup:

No tvtuner for a mac min

[18:16:01]

jchillerup:

i

[18:16:07]

xris:

jchillerup: start with the case you want and work upward from there...

[18:16:11]

xris:

silverstone lc-11

[18:16:14]

mchou:

jchillerup: yeah, it's called usb

[18:16:20]

xris:

jchillerup: sure there is. usb.

[18:16:25]

jchillerup:

Hm!

[18:16:28]

Beirdo:

or firewire

[18:16:37]

jchillerup:

And there's a mythserver and -frontend for osx?

[18:16:39]

Beirdo:

if you are that lucky :)

[18:16:45]

xris:

there are mac-only solutions, too.. not myth, though.

[18:16:49]

Beirdo:

there's a frontend, not sure about backend

[18:16:52]

jchillerup:

A tuner that supports radio?

[18:17:07]

** xris wonders if mythtv with firewire would work in an mac mini running linux **

[18:17:29]

mchou:

only if backend is supported :)

[18:17:34]

kormoc:

Beirdo, I'd run linux on it if I had a mini

[18:17:40]

kormoc:

xris, likely

[18:17:53]

xris:

jchillerup: I don't even think the fm tuner on the pvr-150 works properly in linux.

[18:18:03]

Beirdo:

I wouldn't want to run Linux on Mac gear, I don't think

[18:18:04]

jchillerup:

What euro-based hardware provider would you suggest

[18:18:05]

Beirdo:

I dunno

[18:18:11]

jchillerup:

linitx.com?

[18:18:12]

Beirdo:

I'm geeky, but not THAT geeky

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kormoc:

Beirdo, the mini would be a awesome mythbox with a usb tuner or two, imho

[18:18:58]

Beirdo:

yeah, possibly

[18:19:12]

Beirdo:

be a nicer frontend than backend though

[18:19:20]

jchillerup:

That silverstone case looks nice, xris

[18:19:21]

Beirdo:

just get a honkin server in the basement for a backend

[18:19:32]

kormoc:

small, quiet, cute, and not gonna blow the power supply when it gets warmer then 80 outside

[18:19:42]

kormoc:

Beirdo, you assume I have a basement :P

[18:19:48]

Beirdo:

OK

[18:19:49]

Beirdo:

in a closet

[18:19:52]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:19:56]

Beirdo:

not near the TV

[18:19:57]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:20:17]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:20:32]

kormoc:

Yeah, that's what all the wifi stuff was for, still needs a little bit of work

[18:20:43]

Beirdo:

not that my new house has a basement either

[18:21:28]

kazan:

mchou: state software contractor

[18:21:31]

jchillerup:

Does the PVR-250 have a FM tuner?

[18:21:47]

kazan:

mchou: "local marketing" person markets to counties, the state capital's city govt, etc

[18:22:02]

mchou:

kazan: ahh, ok

[18:22:15]

kazan:

www.slidinghouse.com <-- website of one of the state server admins

[18:22:20]

kazan:

poor bastage

[18:22:26]

mchou:

kazan: what do you expect when you work w/ govt :)

[18:22:45]

mchou:

kazan: I'm suprised ppl havent gone postal :)

[18:22:53]

kazan:

we're not govt

[18:23:11]

kazan:

we're jsut a contractor

[18:23:38]

kazan:

though.. we do get some REAL NEWBS over at state using our apps

[18:23:56]

mchou:

kazan: yeah yeah. Bust this pointy haired boss markets to govt :)

[18:24:06]

mchou:

but*

[18:24:06]

kazan:

yes.. let's keep the link to the testing environment up on our website when the contractor launches the production environment.....

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kazan:

that was reallly fun when DNR did that – test copy of the campground registration system was still enabled, and they linked to it instead of production on launch day

[18:25:05]

kazan:

so half the reservations were done on the wrong system – and we had reservation collisions

[18:25:23]

kazan:

(we realized about noonish that this had happened and disabled the test env)

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kazan:

ooh.. she bitches at me for not closing the tickets to indicate that i'm done, now she wants me to reopen the tickets to i move it to production

[18:27:46]

kazan:

should be a seperate ticket

[18:27:48]

kazan:

grrrr

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kazan:

wb anduin

[18:30:30]

Chicago:

What happened here in my ./mythfrontend log? Did this user not have permisison to see the video? Or did he fail to use the DirectFB? http://pastebin.com/653996

[18:31:35]

kazan:

(!) DirectFB/core/vt: Error opening `/dev/tty0'!

[18:31:44]

kazan:

directFB error

[18:32:22]

Chicago:

kazan: so I probably need to put this user in a setup for directfb...

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kazan:

i'd assume so

[18:40:08]

** kazan has never used DFB **

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Chicago:

hehe tty0 is owned by root:root

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kazan:

what's it's chmod

[18:43:01]

kazan:

should be 666 or 777

[18:43:13]

kazan:

distro/version?

[18:43:31]

kazan:

you'll probably need to edit console.perms if it's got a recent pam

[18:43:35]

Ruis:

does anyone know if the suse packages at ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-scrute/suse10 will work with Suse 10.1?

[18:44:14]

kazan:

when in doubt: compile

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Chicago:

I'm on Gentoo testing SVN. The permissions for tty0 are rw for my group and now that I gave myself some permission... ( or put myself in the right group) the error message now complains about KD_GRAPHICS not tty0 http://pastebin.com/654028

[18:48:38]

Chicago:

kazan: and that was weird... because that laste pastebin I just gave you shows it's using MMXEXT mem copy... and the first pastebin says it was using SSE optimized mem copy.

[18:50:54]

kazan:

googling error messages FTW

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kazan:

it's more permissions problems

[18:53:13]

Chicago:

yucky

[18:53:49]

kazan:

what video card you have?

[18:53:58]

Chicago:

hauppauge-500

[18:54:03]

kazan:

that's a capture card

[18:54:03]

Chicago:

sorry

[18:54:07]

kazan:

not a video card dorkus :P

[18:54:11]

Chicago:

nvidia-geforce 2 ultra

[18:54:12]

Chicago:

hehe

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kazan:

use XvMC via X windows

[18:54:30]

kazan:

should be faster than DFB

[18:54:34]

kazan:

AFAIK

[18:54:57]

Chicago:

I'm thinking I don't get XvMC support on a GeForce iI Ultra.

[18:55:04]

speedsix:

Hi there, anyone care to help suss out why my dvb card has just suddenly stopped working?

[18:55:17]

kazan:

speedsix: did you do a kernel update?

[18:55:51]

speedsix:

No, tbh I can't think what I have done to mess it up. It just 'broke'. My dmesg out is http://pastebin.com/654032

[18:55:59]

kazan:

Chicago: dunno about that chicago, i don't use nvidia hardware

[18:56:13]

kazan:

chicago: only time i'd ever buy their hardware is for XvMC and i'm building my first mythbox now

[18:56:39]

Chicago:

you can get onboard xvmc with some motherboards.

[18:56:46]

speedsix:

everything 'seems' fine but scan fails, it repeatedly prints the message "cx22702_set_tps: Autodetecting"

[18:57:07]

speedsix:

this is the dvb-utils scan program btw, not myth

[18:57:33]

kazan:

hmm

[18:57:48]

kazan:

caveat: i've never used a DVB card (US sucks arse)

[18:58:10]

speedsix:

when I attempt to tune to a channel with tzap is repeatedly prints "status 00 | signal 00ff | snr 8000 | ber 00003fff | unc 00000000 |"

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meushi:

speedsix: means it can't even get the frontend to start searching (or something)

[18:58:59]

kazan:

hmm

[18:59:01]

meushi:

speedsix: status 03 would be search started, 1f would be frontend locked and stable

[18:59:20]

speedsix:

aerial cable gives good picture on regular tv

[18:59:21]

** kazan hands off to meushi since he apparently has used DVB **

[18:59:25]

meushi:

and a signal of 00ff isn't much

[18:59:45]

meushi:

kazan: I fought with it for days because of a Nova-SE2 card

[18:59:45]

kazan:

Chicago: i think normal Xv is still faster than DFB

[19:00:04]

kazan:

meushi: i've never used one, since we don't use DVB

[19:00:05]

speedsix:

This is a new connexant Nova-T pci

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meushi:

speedsix: are you sure the channels.conf is valid?

[19:01:32]

speedsix:

no it won't even scan, the channels.conf is from when it was working, if that makes sense

[19:01:57]

speedsix:

scan results in this printed repeatedly "cx22702_set_tps: Autodetecting"

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speedsix:

Apparently the cx88_blackbird driver is the wrong one and it seems to have started loading on boot along with what I think is the correct one cx88_dvb

[19:03:04]

meushi:

viva hotplug :)

[19:03:30]

speedsix:

it's bizzare, I noticed this yesterday and rrmod'd the blackbird driver and it worked! Try the same today and it still doesn't work!!?

[19:04:04]

speedsix:

they share the same pci id apparently

[19:04:13]

meushi:

some DVB cards are a bit weird

[19:04:26]

speedsix:

your telling me

[19:04:31]

speedsix:

*you're

[19:04:46]

meushi:

my nova-se2 was reporting FC00 signal... without anything connected to it

[19:05:03]

meushi:

up to FExx signal

[19:05:16]

meushi:

and I could only get it to lock once per reboot

[19:05:45]

speedsix:

When it was working, it was perfect in 0.18 but wouldn't do anything atall in 0.19

[19:06:33]

speedsix:

but it has always worked in Xine via a channels.conf, now it doesn't even work there

[19:06:57]

meushi:

try rmmod'ing both cx88 and reinserting only the _dvb one

[19:07:06]

speedsix:

ok..

[19:07:36]

speedsix:

can I get modules to be a bit more verbose about what's going on?

[19:08:11]

meushi:

there might be a debug statement you can put in modules.conf (or the options file)

[19:08:24]

meushi:

brb, need nicotine

[19:08:27]

speedsix:

np

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meushi:

back

[19:14:07]

speedsix:

reloaded the module but it has created the appropriate /dev files

[19:15:02]

speedsix:

*hasn't sorry

[19:15:22]

speedsix:

ugh, pain in the arse

[19:15:32]

meushi:

major

[19:15:52]

speedsix:

I love it when things just stop working. really

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speedsix:

Going to reboot and give it one more chance before the whole lot goes out of the window

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Chicago:

kazan: I seem to have this only partially fixed... I can play music visualizations in a window (1024x768)... and I can watch a video and the video plays fullscreen... but it still fails with that previous error whether I'm trying to watch liveTV or watch one of my tvrecordings.

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kazan:

chicago: there was also an error about your loopback file in there

[19:20:19]

SarahEmm:

anyone here using the new PVR-250/350 CC support on 0.19?

[19:20:29]

SarahEmm:

(it's finally in there, in theory!!)

[19:21:42]

SarahEmm:

*blinks* whoa, so many new features i want in 0.19 :o))

[19:22:15]

SarahEmm:

ability to control the FE through a socket looks promising.. i've always wanted a 'move what i'm doing on this FE to the FE in another room' feature :)

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speedsix:

meushi, guess what. It works

[19:28:04]

speedsix:

think the pci card wasn't seated properly

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speedsix:

how frightfully silly of me

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Chicago:

I don't see /share/mythtv/database/mc.sql where I compiled my mythtv SVN... is the mc.sql database file somewhere else in SVN???

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meushi:

hmm... dumb question, how do I tell mplayer which dvb card to use?

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Chicago:

Can I use my old mc.sql file that gentoo emerged to import the mythconverg schema to a blank database for mythtv svn?

[19:53:27]

Anduin:

Chicago: Did you look at the mc.sql file?

[19:55:46]

Chicago:

yeah, now I'm changing up the mc.sql file to not use users mythtv and database name mythconverg... so that it doesn't interfere with the existing version that is installed.

[19:55:55]

Juski:

I'm still damned if I can find out what's changed in svn to make my themes broken

[20:00:59]

kazan:

meushi: mplayer /dev/blahblah i think

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Juski:

mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter*/dvr0

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Zider:

hm, how do I add a shoutcast radio station to the playlist in mythtv-music?

[20:02:25]

Juski:

Zider: I dunno if you can

[20:03:35]

Zider:

:/

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Juski:

hahahaha.. this guy doesn't search the mailing lists... he doesn't know about my patch (muhahahaha): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/196534

[20:07:50]

laga:

Juski: you made a patch to disable epg scanning? i thought it was only the useonairguide stuff?

[20:09:26]

Juski:

laga: I used the useonairguide column for the dbox epg code to decide whether or not to scrape the epg

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Juski:

if useonairguide for a channel is set to zero, it doesn't change channel on the dbox & grab the program info ;-)

[20:11:04]

laga:

i thought he did that? oh well, i'm tired

[20:11:12]

** laga slaps Juski for breaking EPG grabbing completely **

[20:11:18]

Juski:

lol

[20:11:19]

laga:

i think i forgot to do that back then ;)

[20:11:46]

laga:

there's another bug with the dbox2 stuff. i you add a new box, something doesn't get set right in the database. i should submit a ticket soon...

[20:12:37]

Juski:

who'd want more than one bundle of joy?!

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Juski:

yeh so that was erm.. 50 lines of code that took me all weekend to write, and nobody even knows they're in there

[20:14:35]

gurft:

Hey guys, I'm having a problem getting transcoding to work. I keep getting Unknown Video Codec: in my backend log and then Transcoding failed

[20:14:45]

gurft:

Oh, and new MB came today, god what a difference!

[20:14:46]

laga:

Juski: :)

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[20:16:33]

Juski:

Gurft: you need myth compiled with transcoding support

[20:16:39]

Chicago:

What's my mixer device supposed to be with ALSA?

[20:17:51]

kazan:

i HATE dev environment crashes!

[20:17:56]

kazan:

ALSA:mixer

[20:18:26]

Chicago:

kazan:thanks

[20:18:27]

laga:

no

[20:18:29]

laga:

just mixer

[20:18:31]

laga:

i think

[20:18:33]

laga:

umm.

[20:18:43]

laga:

read up on it on www.mythtv.org/wiki/

[20:19:00]

Juski:

I give up looking for the changes in SVN that broke my theme for now. I'd post to the ML but I can't be arsed with all the traffic

[20:19:46]

kazan:

i hear you there juski

[20:19:49]

Gurft:

Juski: I don't see anything like enable-transcode in the ./configure help

[20:19:49]

kazan:

hard to keep up with it

[20:20:26]

** kazan loves how ATI cannot be bothered to use their own ticket system as they have it designed to accept linux driver bug reports and wants you to put it all in "linux driver feedback" **

[20:20:30]

kazan:

fscking corporations are newbs

[20:20:41]

kazan:

ATI breaks their Xv, nVidia breaks XvMC

[20:21:10]

Juski:

I blame their 'unified driver architecture'

[20:21:25]

kazan:

companies think the instruction interface to their boards is some uber-secret "trade secret" that may reveal their "nifty tricks" (read:hax)

[20:21:28]

kazan:

aye

[20:21:36]

Juski:

common source, so if one card gets borked they all do

[20:21:48]

kazan:

either setup a new VESA standard that supports 3D instruction sets, or STFU and write drivers for each card

[20:22:20]

Juski:

the word 'standard' is such a contradiction now

[20:22:28]

kazan:

"unified driver architecture" = "bloatware driver"

[20:22:35]

kazan:

aye

[20:22:50]

Juski:

more like "a spec open to interpretation"

[20:23:05]

kazan:

between one-company-"standards" and standards that one-company-insists-on-breaking

[20:23:25]

Juski:

look at what happenned with html

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Juski:

what's about to happen with DVD

[20:23:43]

mmead:

anyone know how to disable OSD fading?

[20:23:56]

Juski:

mmead: people on the mailing list

[20:24:08]

kazan:

Blu-Ray vs HDDVD... *twirls finger*

[20:24:23]

** Juski yells does nobody read the fucking welcome messages?! **

[20:24:29]

mmead:

Juski: heh

[20:24:40]

mmead:

Juski: -users or -dev?

[20:24:47]

Juski:

either

[20:25:21]

laga:

welcome messages?

[20:25:21]

Juski:

oh wait – OSD fading... that's in general settings in the appearance menu

[20:25:33]

kazan:

someone wake me up when we have a format without Digital Rights Misconduct

[20:25:45]

laga:

huh? i thought you'd have to disable osd fading in osd.xml

[20:25:56]

Juski:

kazan: we already do. corporate america doesn't want them

[20:26:43]

Juski:

I'm gonna watch some mythtelly.. bbl

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Chicago:

kazan: http://pastebin.com/654250 What do you think of the error log now? Is line 18 part of the problem?

[20:27:14]

mmead:

Juski: ok, I will look there – I get lots of stuttering with HDTV playback (sw decoding) when it fades the osd

[20:28:00]

Gurft:

so what do I need to get mythdvd to build with transcoding, just libdvdread3 and liba52dec?

[20:29:58]

mmead:

Juski: hmm, OSD page of tv settings playback just has timeouts, not whether or not it fades

[20:30:53]

kazan:

is backend running? :P

[20:31:23]

kazan:

oh i see it connect later

[20:31:27]

kazan:

dunno what it's doing there

[20:31:49]

kazan:

looks like that's lirc related

[20:31:55]

kazan:

your blocking error is line 49

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Chicago:

kazan: I think since X is running as the other user it's stopping it. I'm logging out of my xsession now... and trying it... it will probably work.

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kazan:

yeah... that would kinda cause a problem i'd think

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TTT_Travis:

hey guys

[20:49:48]

TTT_Travis:

I'm having a problem connecting my frontend to my backend

[20:49:58]

TTT_Travis:

this is the error I get: see #flood

[20:51:02]

TTT_Travis:

any Ideas on that

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Anduin:

TTT_Travis: Use a paste site.

[20:53:26]

TTT_Travis:

oh

[20:54:14]

TTT_Travis:

thanks kazan

[20:54:25]

kazan:

hmm?

[20:54:29]

TTT_Travis:

for leaving

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** kazan smirks **

[20:54:34]

TTT_Travis:

* sarcasm *

[20:54:36]

TTT_Travis:

;)

[20:55:13]

** kazan cusses at Quanta crashing **

[20:55:48]

TTT_Travis:

ok so if I SSH into the box and do: telnet localhost 3306

[20:55:49]

TTT_Travis:

that works

[20:55:59]

TTT_Travis:

but telnet 192.168.1.5 3306

[20:56:00]

TTT_Travis:

doesn't

[20:56:37]

kazan:

port filtering restrictions are blocking your access

[20:56:47]

kazan:

what's the mysql server box's distro

[20:57:11]

TTT_Travis:

ubuntu

[20:57:26]

kazan:

ewww

[20:57:36]

kazan:

delete your install

[20:57:39]

kazan:

start over again :D

[20:57:46]

** laga slaps kazan **

[20:57:55]

TTT_Travis:

I like ubuntu

[20:57:56]

TTT_Travis:

sorry

[20:57:58]

kazan:

laga: do i need to describe the stupid problems i hate with ubuntu

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TTT_Travis:

;)

[20:58:04]

TTT_Travis:

what do you suggest though?

[20:58:04]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: look at yourmy.cnf

[20:58:05]

kazan:

s/hate/had

[20:58:09]

kazan:

Fedora Core 5

[20:58:13]

laga:

kazan: no, please don't. i have enough myself ;)

[20:58:24]

laga:

fedora core? *blech*

[20:58:34]

kazan:

install, yum update, add livna repo, yum install kmod-fglrx or kmod-nvidia

[20:58:36]

Anduin:

gentoo or you are a loser.

[20:58:39]

kazan:

yum install xine

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TTT_Travis:

Anduin anything I should look for in the my.cnf?

[20:58:53]

kazan:

haha gentoo is for losers – only a loser would have enough time to deal with it :D

[20:58:54]

laga:

archlinux or your weenie is small.

[20:59:03]

TTT_Travis:

I do like Fedora though

[20:59:05]

** kormoc sighs **

[20:59:08]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: something which would lock it to local access.

[20:59:11]

TTT_Travis:

but I prefer apt-get over yum

[20:59:13]

TTT_Travis:

ok

[20:59:17]

kazan:

laga: so.. i tried setting up myth on ubuntu

[20:59:20]

kazan:

using kubuntu

[20:59:27]

kazan:

it was .. interesting... haha

[20:59:34]

kazan:

so i go into Adept and check "GCC" to install gcc

[20:59:37]

kazan:

it installs gcc4

[20:59:43]

kazan:

and it cannot build executables

[20:59:47]

kazan:

missing crt1

[20:59:54]

kazan:

i add gcc 3.4 and it can build

[21:00:07]

kazan:

didn't have make, didn't have autotools

[21:00:10]

TTT_Travis:

I don't see anything in my.cnf that would cause problems

[21:00:23]

kormoc:

kazan, why would you expect otherwise? gcc is just gcc.

[21:00:26]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: firewall?

[21:00:43]

kazan:

after manually compiling half a dozen packages to get the prereqs up i go to edit /etc/ld.so.conf

[21:00:47]

laga:

kazan: apt-get build-essential[s]

[21:00:54]

laga:

kazan: err, apt-get install i mean.

[21:00:54]

kazan:

and yet again the file didn't exist

[21:01:03]

TTT_Travis:

Anduln none

[21:01:16]

kazan:

MIA Files: /etc/security/console.perms, /etc/ld.so.conf

[21:01:19]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, bind-address = 127.0.0.1

[21:01:24]

kazan:

PAM version < .079 when current is .99

[21:01:28]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, do you have something similar in there?

[21:01:31]

laga:

kazan: afterwards, do an apt-get build-dep mythtv. you need to enable universe or multiverse, though.

[21:01:31]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: paste your my.cnf

[21:01:32]

kazan:

no ld.so.conf was the last straw

[21:01:34]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, in your my.cnf that is

[21:01:36]

kazan:

i blanked the driver and put fedora on it

[21:01:41]

laga:

kazan: you need to be able to handle your distro :)

[21:01:46]

kormoc:

kazan, that's odd, given it's sorta required...

[21:01:59]

kazan:

kormoc: nah it defaults to /lib and /usr/lib without it

[21:02:00]

TTT_Travis:

http://pastebin.com/654343

[21:02:04]

TTT_Travis:

my.cnf ^

[21:02:08]

kazan:

laga: i do know how to handle my distro

[21:02:14]

kazan:

Fedora Core 5

[21:02:14]

TTT_Travis:

yes I do have that bind address

[21:02:20]

kazan:

i was going to use ubuntu because it's a bit "slimmer"

[21:02:34]

kormoc:

kayelem, nah, ubunutu and them use /etc/ld.conf (no .so.conf)

[21:02:40]

kormoc:

kayelem, sorry, that was to kazan

[21:02:44]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: That is going to restrict it.

[21:02:45]

kazan:

well i found out where that leanness came from: pretty much everything missing

[21:02:57]

kormoc:

kazan, took 1 second to google, first hit

[21:02:58]

** kormoc shrugs **

[21:03:03]

TTT_Travis:

Anduin I see, so should I set it to the LAN IP or what?

[21:03:04]

kazan:

kormoc: nah i was talking about this on /. with people earlier – latest doesn't use either – uses default and ld.so.cache

[21:03:06]

TTT_Travis:

192.168.1.5?

[21:03:07]

laga:

kazan: as i said, an apt-get build-dep mythtv should have fixed it.

[21:03:24]

Anduin:

TTT_Travis: or don't set it at all (it should bind to all interfaces then)

[21:03:25]

laga:

kazan: and nothing prevents you from just creating an /etc/ld.so.conf.

[21:03:26]

kazan:

laga: with custom repositories

[21:03:36]

TTT_Travis:

k

[21:03:39]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, line 48, comment it out

[21:03:45]

kazan:

laga: i know that, but not having a standard config file already in place was the straw that broke the camel's back

[21:03:47]

laga:

kazan: custom? multiverse or universe aren't custom.

[21:03:50]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, restart mysql, and you'll be good

[21:04:01]

kazan:

eons old PAM was probably what did most of the damage

[21:04:08]

laga:

kazan: and as you said, with fedora, you need to add livna repos as well

[21:04:09]

kormoc:

.79 isn't eons old

[21:04:30]

kazan:

laga: aye, but even WITH universe enabled (yes i enabled it) i still had to compile a bunch of things

[21:04:34]

kormoc:

march 31, 2005 it was released and is considered the current stable version

[21:04:38]

TTT_Travis:

kormoc still nothing

[21:04:42]

kazan:

on fedora i had to compile......... nothing but myth

[21:04:46]

laga:

kazan: actually, the proper way would be rebuilding the source package to your liking. you wouldn't have had to touch ld.so.conf then ;)

[21:04:48]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, ooh?

[21:04:53]

laga:

kazan: like, what?

[21:04:53]

TTT_Travis:

I commented out the line, tried launching the frontend and it still can't connect

[21:05:01]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, did you restart mysql?

[21:05:01]

TTT_Travis:

oh

[21:05:04]

kazan:

laga: ffmpeg comes to mind immediately

[21:05:04]

TTT_Travis:

I think I found it

[21:05:29]

laga:

kazan: you don't need ffmpeg for mythtv.

[21:05:30]

kormoc:

TTT_Travis, that bind address tells mysql to only bind to localhost, comment it out, restart mysql, and it iwll bind to all ips it can.

[21:05:31]

kazan:

i need to be figuring out how to get quanta to start here. it's saved session = coredump

[21:05:36]

TTT_Travis:

there we go

[21:05:43]

kazan:

laga: you need ffmpeg for mplayer

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kormoc:

ffmpeg is in ubuntu's repos I'm rather sure

[21:05:45]

TTT_Travis:

it was just client side configuration error

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TTT_Travis:

besides the mysql

[21:05:52]

TTT_Travis:

thanks for all of the help

[21:05:55]

kazan:

kormoc: adept doesn't think so

[21:06:15]

TTT_Travis:

have the mythtv front end running on my Intel Mac Mini

[21:06:17]

TTT_Travis:

sweet

[21:06:22]

kormoc:

kazan, http://secunia.com/advisories/18066/

[21:06:25]

laga:

kazan: you don't need mplayer for mythtv

[21:06:38]

kormoc:

kazan, given ubuntu gives updates for ffmpeg, I'd say that they have it

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kazan:

laga: i knopw

[21:07:03]

kazan:

laga: someone had told me i did despite the docs so i was compiling it to be sure

[21:07:13]

kormoc:

kazan, and ffmpeg isn't a requirement for mplayer

[21:07:23]

kormoc:

kazan, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/softreq.html

[21:07:28]

laga:

kazan: well, that's neither ubuntu's nor mythtv's fault.

[21:07:31]

laga:

kormoc: right

[21:07:53]

kazan:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/installation_codecs.html

[21:08:15]

kormoc:

kazan, notice the recommended, it's not required.

[21:08:31]

kazan:

it's not required... unless you want to see "H.263/MJPEG/RV10/DivX3/DivX4/DivX5/MP41/MP42/WMV1/WMV2/SVQ1/SVQ3 encoded video streams and WMA"

[21:08:34]

laga:

kazan: If you use an MPlayer release you have libavcodec right in the package, just build as usual.

[21:09:03]

kazan:

grr

[21:09:07]

laga:

so, mplayer releases come with batteries include.d no need to compile ffmpeg. you don't actually even need to compile ffmpeg if you get mplayer from CVS. just read the instructions carefully.

[21:09:15]

kormoc:

kazan, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/graphics/ffmpeg

[21:09:17]

kazan:

anyone know where quanta stores it's session (non-project session)

[21:11:04]

TTT_Travis:

where in the frontend do I set the settings to connect to the backend?

[21:11:19]

TTT_Travis:

it keeps giving errors about it not being able to connect to the backend

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deepthink:

I have set up myth tv with my new Technotrend DVB-T 1500 and CI interface. But when I hit Watch TV I get a black screen. The console prints "taking too long to be allowed to read.." and "Waited 4 seconds for data to become available, waiting again..." before giving up. Where could be wrong and where can I find documentation about it?

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TTT_Travis:

looks like a bug in the mac mythtv

[21:18:13]

TTT_Travis:

yep

[21:18:14]

TTT_Travis:

tis

[21:18:16]

TTT_Travis:

from the wiki

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xris:

deepthink: permissions on the dvb device node?

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laga:

xris: have him check the backend logs first ;)

[21:23:13]

TTT_Travis:

well looks like I'll try Knoppmyth on my old K2 AMD box

[21:23:25]

TTT_Travis:

not for watching tv but for watching my downloaded files

[21:26:08]

deepthink:

xris, running mythtv as root for now.

[21:27:06]

deepthink:

But I did notice another message: Could not bind to UDP notify port: 6948. <- What is that port for?

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deepthink:

I can play the video with mplayer if I tune with zap first.

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deepthink:

I'm using gentoo stable verison 0.18. Will upgrade to 0.19 to see if it helps

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bmk789:

ah gentoo, what a great distro

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bmk789:

yet soooooooooooooooooo easy to break

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Gurft:

Alright, I'm getting closer

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Gurft:

I got mythdvd compiled with transcode

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Gurft:

but when I hit 0 to rip the DVD, it doesn't do anything, no errors in the logs, but no messages either....

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Anduin:

Gurft: Which log?

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Gurft:

I checked in the mtd log, backend log, and frontend log

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Gurft:

I hit 0, and nothing happens :(

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Anduin:

The mtd log should have something, try running mtd -n from a terminal and doing it again.

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xris:

well, no more dishnetwork for me.....

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Gurft:

well, it shows the client connecting

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Gurft:

but nothing else

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: HAHA! ;-)

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Gurft:

when I hit 0, the "hit 0 to process" goes yellow, and then that's it

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SlicerDicer-:

Gurft: run 'sudo mtd -d'

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Anduin:

Gurft: and you see nothing on the mtd -n screen?

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SlicerDicer-:

Gurft: you may have permissions problems

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: it's all your fault, too...

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xris:

well, not really

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SlicerDicer-:

I would advise changing your storage directory from /var/myth/tmp or whatever it is by default to /tmp that helped me in a huge way

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Anduin:

perms issues should just be fixed rather than avoided.

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SlicerDicer-:

Gurft: consider going into the database and modify the settings or add your own to control the compression how you want and activate 2 pass using xvid insted of divx5

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SlicerDicer-:

I use xvid4 myself

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: tmp is tmp IMO

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SlicerDicer-:

and if he shifts the dir it will run as user not needing root

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SlicerDicer-:

but running as root will prove if its a permissions problem and he can clear it up

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

its not like he is going to do it as root all the time

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Anduin:

If it is a permission error, and mtd is giving nothing at the command line, I want to know.

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: he can run mtd -d and leave the terminal open and it will give all information

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SlicerDicer-:

once its working properly he can kill it rerun it as user then close the terminal

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: I am very familar with it hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

Anduin: I got custom setup settings for it and everything :)

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SlicerDicer-:

afk for a bit

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Juski:

re

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Gurft:

nope, no change when running it as root

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Gurft:

17:55:22: a client socket has been opened is the only message I see

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Juski:

xris: did you get a chance to check for error messages in mythfrontend with my theme?

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xris:

Juski: it's 3pm here... still at work. :)

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Juski:

ah.. np :)

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xris:

3 more hours.

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xris:

and now... time for a meeting...

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Juski:

no. of recordings to keep... can't say I've ever noticed that before... myth is still surprising me

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Gurft:

this is getting frustraging, not even any feedback as to why it's not working

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Gurft:

Alright, got things workign finally. Mythvideo for some reason was installed into /share instead of /usr/lib/mythtv/share

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Gurft:

I had to manually set $INSTALL_ROOT to get it installed int eh correct place

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Gurft:

are things quiet today, or is my IRC client f-ed up?

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roger55:

sshh let us watch the shows! ;)

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Gurft:

LOL

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Samson:

can someone help me with mythvideo, using xine as the player i get this message whenever I try and play anything, even running as root.sh: line 1: /video/videos/genlee.mpg: Permission denied

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Samson:

even though playing that same video from a command line works fine

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FairWitness:

Samson: Playing from the CL as *mythtv* works?

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Samson:

yes

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FairWitness:

What's the command you're using to play?

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Samson:

xine -pfhq --no-splash

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Samson:

I've also tried with no options still the same

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FairWitness:

where's it getting sh: line 1:. That's odd.

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Samson:

think i just figured it out, it didnt like the h option

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kazan:

hey guys

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kazan:

gotta mythweb problem – it's complaining about DB config and .htaccess file that was included

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kazan:

except there was no .htaccess file included

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Samson:

i just went through that

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Samson:

hrmm, but mine had the .htaccess in there

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kazan:

hmm

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kazan:

i just copied from the .19 sources

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kazan:

hmm

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kazan:

it didn't get copied by cp -r

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Samson:

kazan: here you go http://pastebin.ca/49093

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kazan:

ty

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kazan:

up and running

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