Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, April 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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laga:

Juski: no, i totally suck at it. i tend to scratch the paint while fixing it, i hope some polishing will fix that ;)

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Juski:

I painted a whole door once. bought a green one from a scrap yard & got it the same red colour as the rest of the car

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Juski:

5 coats of primer, 7 coats of base colour, 2 coats of lacquer. never, ever again

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Juski:

good thing the tiny midge flies sanded out of it

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laga:

flies suck. i painted my computer case once, that was a bitch, too. of course i fscked it up, but now i know how to do it :)

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deniidil:

man

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deniidil:

dammit

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deniidil:

LA scored vs CHI very late in the game here :/

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Juski:

er... okay

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deniidil:

i'm watching yesterday's MLS games

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** Juski doesn't follow sports. unless you count naked all-female lesbian custard wrestling as a sport **

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deniidil:

lol

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** deniidil is a soccernut **

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deniidil:

part of the reason i'm building a mythtv

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Juski:

in my home town I'm er... gay cos I don't follow football (soccer). all the more reason to hate it

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deniidil:

record world cup games

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deniidil:

in my country i'm gay because i do follow soccer :D :P (not so much anymore, but the armored wankball players like to think so)

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Juski:

rofl

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laga:

soccer sucks, IMHO. and i hope the world championship is over soon, i can't take it anymore

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D-side:

wow.

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deniidil:

world cup hasn't started yet, just qualification

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D-side:

you're in europe though.

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Juski:

I once knew a player of armored wankball... he was a true tosspot

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D-side:

Juski: hey. ever find that guy, or should i shut the hell up

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deniidil:

tosspot?

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Juski:

wanker

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deniidil:

ah

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Juski:

"so who do you think will win???"

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Juski:

"er... not England!"

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deniidil:

ha

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deniidil:

germany or brazil

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Juski:

or "who cares?!"

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deniidil:

though i hope we (USA) get even further up the ladder

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Juski:

both equally heretic answers

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D-side:

nerds != sport fans i guess

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laga:

i hope germany will not win, that'd make me go overseas

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deniidil:

heh

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Juski:

there are more important things to worry about

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deniidil:

once we get eliminated i'll be cheering for germany

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Juski:

like when the fuck are we gonna get FTA HDTV in the UK?

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deniidil:

that US vs Germany match last world cup was.... wow

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deniidil:

ha i don't even have an HDTV yet ... won't be getting one till next year

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deniidil:

C

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deniidil:

CHICAGO TIES THE GAME!

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** deniidil dances. **

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deniidil:

tied in the 86th minute

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Juski:

doesn't the internet do away with any need to actually watch the game though?

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Juski:

result!

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deniidil:

i don't want to know the results before i watch the game

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deniidil:

i'm streaming the game from the official website of the MLS

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Juski:

if you don't want to know the result, look away now....

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deniidil:

ha

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deniidil:

i said "Before i watch the game"

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deniidil:

it's the 86th minute, keep your pants on

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Juski:

"the overpaid, ponces we reveer way too highly, lost their will to win in preference to shaking their stupid hairstyles a lot"

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deniidil:

very very good turnout for a US match

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deniidil:

35k people in the stadium

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Juski:

you don't mean.... they're turning on to European culture?!

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deniidil:

yes :D

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** deniidil loves soccer **

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Juski:

there could be hope for us yet

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deniidil:

you should see King George's latest disapproval ratings :D :P

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laga:

Juski: cul...what? </american>

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deniidil:

hehe

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Juski:

all you need now is decent taste in music & my faith in human nature would be restored

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deniidil:

what's culture? we have american idol and britneyy "white trash" spears to aspire to

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deniidil:

country music sucks IMHO

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deniidil:

if that's what you're refering to

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laga:

hehe

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Juski:

actually I live in a kind of middle-class bubble where I'm part of an elite who eschews low-brow entertainment

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deniidil:

he

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laga:

deniidil: you need more music with good guitars. and i'm not talking about these metrosexual linkin park guys ;)

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Juski:

all the shows I watch are among the lowest rated

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Juski:

apart from 24...

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Juski:

linkin park... jesus. real rock bands don't use hair gel ffs

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deniidil:

hehehe

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Juski:

.. or wear makeup... unless they're being ironic

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laga:

Juski: real rock bands make real music ;)

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deniidil:

the RIAA secret to pop music: ctrl+c, ctrl+v

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Juski:

yeh.. not shift+ctrl+c either ;-)

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deniidil:

??

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laga:

deniidil: no, it should be: dd if=/dev/urandom | fancy filters | merchandising > money

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deniidil:

hahaha

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Juski:

shift+ctrl+c is the linux way in most cases, I thought

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deniidil:

i'm used to KDE keybindings

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deniidil:

which pretty much match windblows

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imperfect-:

Anyone used transcode w/ PVM ?

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Juski:

cat /dev/money >> dev/mo/money | tee /dev/braindead

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Juski:

if you've not read 'brave new world', read it soon. it's uuuuber scary, especially now

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deniidil:

i saw a movie of it a while back

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deniidil:

with Leonard Nemoy (sp?)

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Juski:

oh god. tell me they didn't

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deniidil:

he was like the boss guy or somesuch

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Juski:

1998 tv movie

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laga:

leonard nimoy, the spock guy?

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deniidil:

yes

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laga:

nice :)

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deniidil:

takes a while tobuild mythtv on a Sempron

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sPiN:

can anyone tell me why im always getting AFD error: unknown decoding error

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laga:

i was gonna write a paper for school about 'brave new world', but terry pratchett just seemed like a better choice...

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sPiN:

theres a lot of artifacts in my recordings

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laga:

and our public library didn't have the book :/

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Juski:

sPiN: welcome to the world of mpeg4 with too low a bitrate/not enough encoding passes

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Juski:

laga: they didn't have the book?! jees

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laga:

Juski: not in english ;)

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Juski:

though it should be in the Guttenburg project

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laga:

Gutenberg? might be worth a try, thanks

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Juski:

1984 is there...

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Juski:

and war of the worlds

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sPiN:

Juski: but it often just fine, it seem spuratic

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eidolon:

hmmm. can i play an avi on mythtv? do i just drop it in /myth/video/motion/ .. ?

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sPiN:

and it should be mpeg2

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sPiN:

its a pvr150

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Juski:

sPiN: ahhh in that case the quality of recordings is dependent on a few things. 1. bitrate 2. motion content 3. noise. a lot of noise will make encoding harder, so artifacts will be more apparent. similarly a lot of motion will be harder to encode.. and finally if the bitrate isn't high enough, all these factors can be worsened

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sPiN:

were talking about the simpsons

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Juski:

cartoons are hardest for mpeg encoders actually

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sPiN:

wow...

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Juski:

mpeg isn't too great at solid areas of colour

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deniidil:

my fiancee is watching brokeback mountain :/ – i hate western movies and while i'm cool with gay people doing their own thing, i don't want to watch a gay romance western

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Juski:

lol

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sPiN:

so for bitrate thats a factor of the resolution

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Juski:

laga: brave new world isn't in Gutenberg :-(

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laga:

Juski: sucky. well, amazon should have it ;)

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Juski:

sPiN: bitrate determines the final file size

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laga:

deniidil: i've heard people calling it bareback mountain...

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Juski:

bigger bitrate – more capacity for lots of fast motion etc...

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sPiN:

where do i adjust that?

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Juski:

sPiN: recording profiles

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Juski:

make a really good quality profile & always record cartoons with that

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sPiN:

ahh i found the bitrate setting, what do you suggest?

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Juski:

that said, my southpark episodes all look ok at 2mpbs

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Juski:

it's about 2GB an hour but I rarely keep anything once I watch it

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deniidil:

hhaha

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sPiN:

mine was at 4500 and 6000 for the max

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deniidil:

so my fiancee is like "this movie is making me horny honey" so atleast SOME good will come of her watching Brokeback mountain

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Juski:

uuuuuhhhhh... brokeback mountin' is on my wifey's to-watch list :-(

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Blerghass:

xris: figure out the zap2it customized listings thing?

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deniidil:

i'm watching soccer and compiling mythTv

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Juski:

sPiN: is your input grainy at all on the channel you record the simpsons from?

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deniidil:

so i don't get any of the negative parts [like having to watch a gay romance western]

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sPiN:

dont think so... checking

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laga:

deniidil: sounds good, but RUN if she asks you to bend down....

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deniidil:

hahahahaha

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sPiN:

nope, looks great

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xris:

Blerghass: it worked when I did it... except that one time zap2it completely reset my listings

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Blerghass:

i have the EIT thing turned off too.

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Blerghass:

hm.

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xris:

you might try TRUNCATE TABLE instead of DELETE FROM, though... that resets the auto increment stuff

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deniidil:

hrm ...

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Blerghass:

what is auto increment?

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Juski:

sPiN: mpeg2 is bad at colour transitions, solid blocks of colour, fades....

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Juski:

or rather.. mpeg is bad at them ;-)

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xris:

Blerghass: relates to channel id's, etc...

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deniidil:

and solid blocks of color

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sPiN:

well thanks a lot for you help Juski, much apreciated

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Juski:

wavelets are better, but you lose detail, sPiN

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Blerghass:

hm.

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deniidil:

as evidenced by the distortion in this MLS stream just in the color of the pitch

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Blerghass:

ok, so i should delete again and then truncate? or just truncate

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deniidil:

truncate deletes everything in the table pretty much

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Blerghass:

nm.

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deniidil:

"truncate table_name;" empties the table and resets the auto_increment value to 1

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Blerghass:

found the doc.

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deniidil:

i've been compiling for atleast 25 minutes :/

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xris:

Blerghass: truncate is the same as delete, with a few extra stuff

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Juski:

deniidil: one of the reasons HD is so much better than SDTV for sports – it's got WAY more bandwidth

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deniidil:

aye

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deniidil:

i don't think the processor in my box could handle HD though

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deniidil:

and they're not serving the streams in HD

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Juski:

2.5GHz & nvidia xvmc recommended, AFAIK

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deniidil:

Althon XP 1052.661mz, 2108.40 bogomips

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deniidil:

it's a Sempron 2500 or somesuch

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Juski:

people have played HD on less, but YMMV

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deniidil:

was my fiancee's box to play EQ on until we stopped playing EQ

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eidolon:

deniidil: that's about my macine. it's not handling a lot of the load now :)

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Blerghass:

ok. truncated and am filling again

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deniidil:

eidolon: huh?

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eidolon:

so, if i have a 'movie.avi' file and a 'movie.nfo' file... can i just copy them to /myth/video/motion/something, and watch it there?

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deniidil:

eeeew wtf

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Blerghass:

thanks again xris, hope this works

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eidolon:

i tried copying it, and the nfo file shows up, but... has garbage in it.

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deniidil:

GL/gu.h: no suc file or directory!!!!

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deniidil:

glu.h*

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eidolon:

deniidil: pointing out that that's very low power for a myth box – i have an athlon xp 1400, and it's running at a serious load almost all the time :(

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deniidil:

this is a sempron 2500 or there about

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Juski:

movie.nfo? errrr no thanks!

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deniidil:

i'll see how it handles it

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deniidil:

but WTF is this

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Juski:

nfo == warez == l337 h@xx0r shit

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deniidil:

unable to find GL/glu.h !!

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deniidil:

juski: not always

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Juski:

don't remember any systm episodes coming with nfo files :-/

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xris:

well, that was about the most painless mythtv reinstall I've ever done.

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xris:

(no lirc to deal with is SOOO nice)

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deniidil:

heh

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eidolon:

Juski: er. um. maybe. *sniff*

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deniidil:

wtf package has glu.h in it on fedora

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Juski:

lirc is a pussycat

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Gurft:

glu.h is an Open/GL header, isn't it?

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jnunez:

did .19 reconfigure the menus?

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deniidil:

yeah

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deniidil:

mesa-common-devel?

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xris:

deniidil: hang on

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deniidil:

for some farking reason it's missing

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xris:

mesa-libGLU-devel

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Juski:

jnunez: not really

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xris:

that's for fc5

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jnunez:

ok so it's just my installation

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xris:

XFree86-devel in older versions

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Gurft:

Could poor disk performance cause artifacts in the Mpeg stream from my PVR-150

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Gurft:

I seem to get "flashes" from about .5 second ahead of what I'm currently watching

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Juski:

Gurft: no, using too low a bitrate or a noisy signal could though

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deniidil:

i'm on FC5

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deniidil:

fresh install

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xris:

deniidil: compiling svn or .19?

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Juski:

Gurft: what version of ivtv you running, and which kernel?

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deniidil:

.19

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xris:

deniidil: why not just use atrpms?

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deniidil:

because atrpms is a dirty POS

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deniidil:

i have atrpms in my repo list on my machine at work

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deniidil:

i'm sick of dependancy blocks because atrpms version conflicts

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xris:

heh. I know the feeling.

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Gurft:

Juski: ivtv 0.4.4, same results with 0.4.3 and 0.4.2 Kernel 2.6.12

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xris:

deniidil: look at the build deps here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec

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deniidil:

most of the time it's version conflicts with xine

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deniidil:

it's compiling now

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deniidil:

mesa-libGLU-devel was missing

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Juski:

Gurft: can't help you there. try asking in #ivtv-dev or their mailing lists, maybe post a test clip somewhere too

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xris:

deniidil: faac, faad, ffmpeg, transcode... pretty much anything relating to av codecs. annoying as hell

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xris:

afk

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deniidil:

it's all installed

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Gurft:

I've also been fighting this VIA chipset for the past couple weeks. New MB is on the way, just looking at other options.

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deniidil:

transcode wasn't... meh

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deniidil:

will be soon

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Juski:

Gurft: ignore most of the anti-via chipset bullshit

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deniidil:

i <3 yum

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deniidil:

i've never had problems with VIA chipsets recently

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Juski:

most anti-via chipset rhetoric is prolly more due to crap motherboards than Via themselves

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deniidil:

years ago they were complete trash

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deniidil:

but they've gotten better

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Gurft:

Well, I'm getting a lot of the classic symptoms, lots of DMA issues that go away when I disable half of the options in BIOS

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Juski:

Gurft: what make of motherboard is it?

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deniidil:

probably a poorly designed motherboard

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Gurft:

MSI Neo-V

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deniidil:

various other componants not up to spec

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deniidil:

MSI.......

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Juski:

bin it

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Gurft:

That's what I figured. I couldnt' knock the price. I think it's going into the wife's new box.

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deniidil:

Gurft must not like his wife much

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Juski:

bad BIOS' can make things worse too

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Gurft:

I've got the latest on it, wasn't any better even when I tried to downrev one version

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deniidil:

hey xris

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deniidil:

you're a dev right?

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Gurft:

and I *do* like my wife, but she's got a 266Mhz Pentium in her linux box now, and her compiels are taking a BIT too long for her.

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Juski:

see all mobos have components that can be configured to a certain extent, and the BIOS can even program logic circuits on power-up – which is often how you can fiddle with timings etc... get the logic wrong and er....

[00:52:38]

Gurft:

make a big pile of poo out of things?

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eidolon:

hmm, wasn't there a system in 0.19 that listened on a remote socket for commands to control the myth front end?

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eidolon:

did that get into the 0.19 release?

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Juski:

eidolon: yup

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eidolon:

ooo. has anyone written any clients for it? being able to control the MFE remotely would... er... be good. if not, i'm gonna start coding pretty fast :)

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Juski:

the telnet interface

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eidolon:

what socket?

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Juski:

check da wiki

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** eidolon googles. **

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Juski:

greyfoxx started something IIRC

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eidolon:

6545

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eidolon:

rockin.

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Juski:

haven't seen greyfoxx for ages now

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Agrajag-:

eidolon: i've written patch for mythweb that lets you control frontends

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eidolon:

cool.

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eidolon:

i was thinking of something like a webstart-launched java desktop client.

[00:55:41]

eidolon:

but lemme see what the telnet interfcace can / can't do and i'll see whats possible.

[00:55:43]

Juski:

I can make nifty remote control-style graphics if you need em

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eidolon:

eh, lemme get somethingw orking first :)

[00:55:58]

Juski:

lol

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eidolon:

Trying 192.168.2.102...

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eidolon:

telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

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Juski:

right – night all – tis bedtime take 2.. dropping orf here

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eidolon:

night juski.

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Agrajag-:

you need to enable it eidolon

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eidolon:

ah, has to be enabled.

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eidolon:

yah, i got it.

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DartmanX2:

question: if the box dies in the middle of a recording, it seems to screw everything up and prevent future recordings. Is this a common problem, and is it fixable?

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xris:

deniidil: yes, I write mythweb and nuvexport

[01:04:06]

deniidil:

is there a CXX flag that you can add to supress the warnings about non-virtual destructors

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xris:

no clue. I don't know anything about compiled code

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deniidil:

it's while it's compiling

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deniidil:

oh... misread you there

[01:04:47]

deniidil:

gotcha

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xris:

haven't messed with compiled languages in about 10 years. heh

[01:07:33]

deniidil:

compiled code > webscripts

[01:07:38]

deniidil:

i write php/mysql for my day job

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deniidil:

snorefest

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xris:

depends on what you're doing.

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xris:

each is good for a specific kind of job.

[01:08:04]

deniidil:

aye

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xris:

anyway, I'm late for dinner... later.

[01:08:15]

deniidil:

i'm just saying web scripts are boring to write IMHO

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Anduin:

deniidil: -Wno-non-virtual-dtor

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deniidil:

that needs to be added to the CXX flags in the main makefiles

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Blerghass:

xris: no luck. any other ideas?

[01:12:53]

deniidil:

xris is afk

[01:12:59]

Blerghass:

yeah, saw that.

[01:13:07]

Blerghass:

was hoping he hadn't left yet

[01:13:13]

Blerghass:

or she.

[01:13:28]

Blerghass:

I changed my zap2it settings to exclude the channels I don't get. Are there any settings I need to change in myth? Some of the excluded channels are still showing up.

[01:13:34]

Blerghass:

that's what we were talking about before. any other ideas?

[01:13:39]

Anduin:

deniidil: No it doesn't, the goal has never been a warning free compile (which is good, Qt with sane flags, well is disgusting).

[01:13:59]

deniidil:

anduin: i don't want to see those stupid warnings

[01:14:04]

Anduin:

Blerghass: I've always just modified the DB.

[01:14:05]

Blerghass:

already did the truncate and fill again, didn't work.

[01:14:11]

Anduin:

deniidil: Then don't look.

[01:14:17]

deniidil:

Anduin: it's a warning that can be ignored completely and it causes compile scroll to be much greater

[01:14:20]

deniidil:

BAHHH wtf

[01:14:44]

Blerghass:

i see.

[01:14:51]

Anduin:

deniidil: The number of times it would have notified one of the myth developers that there was a bug is greater than one.

[01:15:27]

** deniidil grumbles at mythplugins that hardly anyone will use thath ave additional dependancies being enabled by default **

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Anduin:

Blerghass: Did you modify the channel table (usually you nuke the program data, the channels still show up, but have no data).

[01:15:55]

deniidil:

these warnings are being generated by the QT headers

[01:16:03]

Anduin:

deniidil: I know.

[01:16:19]

Anduin:

deniidil: They are also sometimes generated by Myth code (not that many look).

[01:18:13]

deniidil:

wtf

[01:18:27]

deniidil:

videomanager.h:33: error: extra qualification 'VideoManager::' on member 'processEvents'

[01:18:43]

Anduin:

deniidil: Fixed in SVN

[01:18:44]

deniidil:

i've gotten this error on two other plugins too – but they were ones i didn't care about so i just disabled them

[01:18:55]

deniidil:

erm :/

[01:19:03]

Blerghass:

After customizing my zap2it listings, I truncated the program and channel databases, then ran mythfilldatabase again.

[01:21:51]

Anduin:

Blerghass: and they are still there?

[01:22:28]

Blerghass:

yes, the excluded channels are still there.

[01:22:34]

Blerghass:

except for the duplicates I took out.

[01:22:40]

Blerghass:

i.e. two channels were listed as #23

[01:22:46]

Blerghass:

removed the one that wasn't actually it

[01:22:52]

Blerghass:

those were removed, but the rest like showtime are still there

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firl:

hallo

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Blerghass:

looks right when I look at the listings on the zap2it site.

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Anduin:

Blerghass: I have a channel I've been meaning to remove, give me a minute.

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firl:

This might be a stupid question, I have looked through some of the forums and lists, but I Was wondering if mythtv uses the vide card to accelerate recording of TV shows, because right now I cannot record two at once, or watch one while recording

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Anduin:

Blerghass: Worked fine here, did you restart the backend?

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Blerghass:

it was down when i filled

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deniidil:

anyone know the libcdaudio package name for FC5?

[01:32:42]

deniidil:

think i found it

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Blerghass:

any other ideas?

[01:37:43]

deniidil:

grr

[01:37:46]

deniidil:

i didn't find it

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Anduin:

Blerghass: How many listings do you have?

[01:38:55]

Blerghass:

programs or channels?

[01:39:10]

Anduin:

Blerghass: sources, from zap2it

[01:39:33]

Blerghass:

oh

[01:39:34]

Blerghass:

1.

[01:40:47]

deniidil:

grrrr

[01:40:52]

deniidil:

the one problem was fixed in SVN

[01:40:56]

deniidil:

but now i have a different one

[01:41:08]

deniidil:

error MythThemedMenu was not delcared in this scope

[01:41:13]

deniidil:

(in void runMenu())

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deniidil:

ooh

[01:41:32]

deniidil:

error: mythtv/libmyhthu/myththemedmenu.h

[01:41:33]

deniidil:

grrr

[01:41:56]

deniidil:

so i have to compile from freaking svn for main myth as well

[01:41:58]

deniidil:

GODDAMMIT

[01:42:22]

Anduin:

They have to match, I hope you didn't go to SVN just for that one line VideoManager fix.

[01:43:01]

deniidil:

yes i did

[01:43:04]

deniidil:

because that's the only issue i had

[01:43:11]

deniidil:

it takes me like an hour to compile core mythtv

[01:43:28]

deniidil:

is the current svn stable?

[01:43:38]

Anduin:

deniidil: Then don't go to SVN, just fix that one line.

[01:44:05]

deniidil:

what's the issue with the line? i didn't crack open the source

[01:44:47]

Anduin:

deniidil: It just has VideoManager::somfunc in the declaration (where VideoManager:: doesn't belong)

[01:44:51]

deniidil:

k

[01:45:05]

deniidil:

i find gcc's error messages sorta cryptic

[01:45:27]

Anduin:

They certainly aren't worth of any awards.

[01:45:30]

deniidil:

i cannot find libcdaudio for FC5 to save my freaking life

[01:45:30]

Anduin:

y

[01:45:53]

Anduin:

deniidil: does atrpms have it?

[01:46:11]

deniidil:

i'm not adding atrpms to my repo list :P

[01:46:26]

deniidil:

but yes they do

[01:46:31]

deniidil:

i'm already compiling the plugins

[01:46:37]

deniidil:

i don't really need mythmusic

[01:46:41]

deniidil:

i'll probably never us it

[01:46:43]

deniidil:

use*

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dtm:

4~

[01:48:01]

deniidil:

3?

[01:48:12]

deniidil:

:P

[01:48:52]

deniidil:

where is videomanager.h?

[01:49:21]

dtm:

ewps. keyboard slipped!

[01:49:30]

Anduin:

deniidil: find able

[01:49:39]

deniidil:

i found it

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Blerghass:

any other ideas?

[01:55:30]

Anduin:

Blerghass: Only that if the channel table really was clear it must still be in the listing data somehow, I'd try a cleanup, fill, check, all without the backend running.

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Blerghass:

i tried delete from channel/program

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Blerghass:

and truncate table channel/program

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Blerghass:

hm

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seancav:

evening. (for me anyway)

[02:00:54]

seancav:

I'm having trouble deleting programs. Running 0.18.1.20050510–1 on debian.

[02:01:09]

seancav:

No luck on google; does anyone know if there is a process to look for or something?

[02:01:32]

Anduin:

seancav: Look at the backend log

[02:02:14]

seancav:

waiting for a thread...

[02:02:18]

Blerghass:

after trunc, TVRec(1) Error: Couldn't find any channels in the database

[02:02:19]

seancav:

repeated many, many times.

[02:02:21]

Blerghass:

that looks good.

[02:03:16]

seancav:

Goodness! 7.5 million times, to be precise.

[02:03:23]

deniidil:

myththemes normal ./configure, make, make install?

[02:03:34]

Anduin:

seancav: The thread pool can do that if you are very unlucky.

[02:04:25]

seancav:

Holy tamales! I've got like 1.2G worth of logs here!

[02:04:40]

seancav:

So that would explain the hanging; banging away at these files like crazy, yes?

[02:05:37]

seancav:

Okay, but each time I try to delete a program I suffer. Just a sec, I'll see if I'm spewing logs each time...

[02:06:18]

deniidil:

where teh fsck

[02:06:50]

deniidil:

where tf is the database schema file

[02:07:07]

seancav:

No, no logs related to the delete.

[02:07:19]

deniidil:

hey anduin what happened to the database schema file?

[02:07:39]

Anduin:

deniidil: What do you mean?

[02:07:42]

deniidil:

i'm in /usr/local/share/mythtv and there is no "database" folder

[02:07:45]

deniidil:

mc.sql

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Blerghass:

Anduin: ok, what should I do to check what's in the db before I start mythbackend again?

[02:08:37]

Blerghass:

is there some select statement I can do to list out the channels or something?

[02:08:41]

deniidil:

found it

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Anduin:

Blerghass: mysql mythconverg -e "select * from channel;"

[02:10:01]

seancav:

Any other pointers?

[02:10:22]

Blerghass:

thanks

[02:10:36]

Blerghass:

so myth got all the channels from zap2it

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Anduin:

Blerghass: Even the one you didn't want?

[02:11:25]

woodwizzle:

Having troubles with my "new" 2nd capture card

[02:11:32]

woodwizzle:

testing it out with mplayer

[02:11:39]

woodwizzle:

mplayer /dev/video1

[02:11:55]

woodwizzle:

i get a buncha "Cannot seek backward in linear streams"

[02:12:02]

woodwizzle:

and no video whatsoever

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eidolon:

okay, the telnet interface is useable. i can write something to that :)

[02:12:36]

seancav:

Now it lost connection to the backend server...

[02:12:55]

Blerghass:

yeah.

[02:12:57]

woodwizzle:

also I can't figure out how to tell the card which input to use. with my pvr-250 i can use ivtvcfg but this is a different card with bt878 drivers and no such utility

[02:13:16]

woodwizzle:

dmesg tells me its using input 2 but I dunno even know which input that is =)

[02:13:16]

Blerghass:

i am just running mythfill with no args.

[02:14:56]

seancav:

Where can I learn more about the nfslockfile?

[02:15:04]

seancav:

Not much luck on google there either...

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deniidil:

whooao

[02:20:01]

deniidil:

holy shit dud

[02:20:10]

deniidil:

mythtv-setup gives me nine BILLION errors

[02:20:11]

deniidil:

haha

[02:21:09]

deniidil:

wtf

[02:21:14]

deniidil:

QMYSQL# driver not loaded

[02:21:19]

deniidil:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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deniidil:

(none listed)

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Blerghass:

I'm doing "Edit My Stations" on zap2it, is that right?

[02:22:07]

Anduin:

Blerghass: That should be it;

[02:22:26]

deniidil:

hey anduin anyclue why QMYSQL3 driver would not be loaded?

[02:22:39]

Anduin:

deniidil: Install the qt-mysql driver.

[02:22:45]

deniidil:

figured

[02:22:55]

deniidil:

yum install qt-mysql here we go

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Anduin:

qt-MySQL is the package name

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Blerghass:

ok. what should I have in mythtv-setup?

[02:23:17]

deniidil:

wow

[02:23:18]

Blerghass:

i didn't change anything.

[02:23:22]

deniidil:

lots of mirror issues toinght

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Anduin:

deniidil: yum?

[02:23:37]

deniidil:

aye

[02:23:52]

deniidil:

bunch of mirrors down

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Anduin:

deniidil: The best upgrade you can give yum is usually to hand select a mirror and comment out the mirror list.

[02:24:05]

deniidil:

heh

[02:24:16]

deniidil:

i normally use the fedorafaq.org config

[02:24:22]

deniidil:

but they don't have a FC5 config yet

[02:24:41]

Anduin:

Blerghass: You shouldn't need to change anything in mythtv-setup for the channel stuff (you truncated the tables and changed your listing source)

[02:25:30]

Anduin:

deniidil: yum's mirror list is silly, it just randomly picks one from the list

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deniidil:

aye

[02:26:22]

deniidil:

having lots of checksum errors

[02:26:32]

deniidil:

on the primary.xml.gz

[02:26:47]

deniidil:

no match for qt-mysql :/

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deniidil:

case sensative qt-MySQL

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deniidil:

stupid yum should case-insensative search on the yum install command

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Blerghass:

The listing source is the same, that is, the same login, I just changed my settings on the zap2it web site.

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Blerghass:

However, I already tried removing the source in myth setup, that didn't change anything.

[02:30:09]

Anduin:

Blerghass: Yeah, that shouldn't make a difference.

[02:31:10]

Blerghass:

The only systems interacting here are mysql, zap2it, and mythfilldatabase. The backend being up or down doesn't seem to change anything.

[02:32:45]

Anduin:

Blerghass: Yes, and if the bad channels are still there only after a mythfilldatabase then it would seem that the channels are still listed in the data from TMS

[02:32:57]

deniidil:

hmm

[02:33:00]

Blerghass:

yup.

[02:33:06]

deniidil:

fetch channels from listing source.... seems to have hung up

[02:33:09]

deniidil:

immediately

[02:33:59]

deniidil:

oh it's running

[02:34:04]

deniidil:

just no completion stuff on screen

[02:36:15]

deniidil:

how faris it going to go out on offset?

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woodwizzle:

are you supposed to run mythfilldatabase as root?

[02:38:05]

Agrajag-:

no

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seancav:

this waiting for a thread thing seems to be happening fairly often. Causes all manner of confusion. Are there somethings which make a boxmjore prone than others?

[02:45:47]

Blerghass:

puzzled.

[02:47:27]

Anduin:

Blerghass: I just added/removed a channel as well.

[02:47:59]

Anduin:

seancav: Which version? What are you using to talk to the backend?

[02:48:19]

Blerghass:

worked for you?

[02:48:41]

Anduin:

Blerghass: Yes.

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seancav:

Anduin, I'm running a combined front/back end on debian, version 0.18.1.20050510–1 on debian

[02:50:10]

Anduin:

seancav: And you are only using the frotend (not mythweb, not some other thing that is broken, etc)

[02:50:11]

Anduin:

?

[02:50:16]

woodwizzle:

Alright I've even got pic in pic working at this point =)

[02:50:25]

seancav:

That's right.

[02:50:34]

woodwizzle:

How do I switch which card Mythtv considers to be the primary and the secondary

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Blerghass:

hm.

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Blerghass:

mythweb is running on my machine...

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Blerghass:

nm, it's not.

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seancav:

Hmm.

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seancav:

Can't read data from capture card it says...

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Blerghass:

any other ideas? gonna go to bed soon....

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seancav:

Won't show me the program guide or watch live tv either.

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woodwizzle:

telling pic-n-pic change active window doesn't seem to work

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seancav:

Something is rotten in denmark.

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woodwizzle:

channel swapping does, but i need to switch the primary and secondary cards

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Blerghass:

night.

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Blerghass:

will try again tomorrow.

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woodwizzle:

anyone in here have experience with btaudio?

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beau:

hey

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beau:

anyone on 0.19 and liking it?

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Shdwdrgn:

the only issue I've had with 0.19 is that backend is getting killed everytime the listing is updated

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Shdwdrgn:

everything else has been working great

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woodwizzle:

i couldn't get 0.19 working

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woodwizzle:

arrggghh, getting sound on the bt878 working is killing me!

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Shdwdrgn:

yeah it's not very plug-n-play

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beau:

the listing thing always seems to stuff up

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beau:

shdwgrn do u use NTP?

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beau:

cos ive found that if u dont use ntp there can be a major issue with listing

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beau:

woodwizzle i got sound working on bt878

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beau:

took forever though

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beau:

what distribution are u using?

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woodwizzle:

knoppmyth

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beau:

ahh ok

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beau:

what wm does knoppmyth use?

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woodwizzle:

do you know what you did to get it working?

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woodwizzle:

fluxbox

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beau:

yea i can remember most of it

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beau:

k

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beau:

are u using alsa?

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woodwizzle:

aye

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beau:

do u know what ALSA is

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woodwizzle:

i should point out that my bt878 card is my 2nd tuner. I also have a working pvr250 installed

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woodwizzle:

aye

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woodwizzle:

Advanced Linux Sound Architechutre... and a pain in the but

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beau:

yea ok

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woodwizzle:

i'm pretty familiar with ALSA but I'm by no means a guru with it

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beau:

sry some people dont and its about the point where u say...read lots of docs lol

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woodwizzle:

i've never done a multiple sound card setup before

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woodwizzle:

i understand

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beau:

is ur bt878 card like one where the audio is exported via cable to teh sound card

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woodwizzle:

i'm not sure really

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woodwizzle:

its a hauppauge

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woodwizzle:

wintv

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woodwizzle:

1998-ish

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woodwizzle:

it was given to me, so i have no manuals or anything

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woodwizzle:

it appears to even have an FM input

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woodwizzle:

i do however have the video working on it fine

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beau:

k. look on the back of the card and see if it has a 3.5mm socket

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woodwizzle:

what is that?

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beau:

um u know the plugs for speakers

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beau:

the jack they go into

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beau:

itll probably be labelled out

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woodwizzle:

line out?

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woodwizzle:

my pvr 250 has a line in

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woodwizzle:

this has a line in and a line out

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woodwizzle:

and they look like headphone jacks

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beau:

yep

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woodwizzle:

i take it sound doesn't go over the PCI bus on this card then?

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beau:

probably not

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woodwizzle:

suck!

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beau:

i have a DV2000 card and it does

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beau:

doesnt *

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beau:

so like u gotta put a cable there, mute ur line in and stuff

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beau:

thats possibly why u got no audio, cos its not actually there

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woodwizzle:

i see

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woodwizzle:

will there be any syncing problems with the vide?

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woodwizzle:

*video

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beau:

not usually

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beau:

as long as the line in is muted there wont be

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beau:

otherwise if its not muted, u get a stream not a logged stream so the vid will be 2 secs b4 0 but the audio will be at 0

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woodwizzle:

i dunno even know if I HAVE a cable that'll has 2 male headphone jacks

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beau:

goto an electronics store, ask for a stereo 3.5mm to 3.5mm cable

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beau:

or i think its 1/8 inch in US terms

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beau:

where bouts u livin

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woodwizzle:

if i plug headphones into the 3.5mm line out should I hear audio?

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woodwizzle:

Flori-duh =)

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beau:

yea u should, say like u use xawtv (have the line in not muted when u do this) u should here audio

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beau:

the line in has to be selected as a recording device as well

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woodwizzle:

how do i do that

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beau:

use ahhhh kmix maybe

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woodwizzle:

alsamixer

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beau:

ur volume control program

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beau:

yea

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beau:

if u go through the myth guides it tells u how to set it properly

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beau:

u have to turn the line in on to captur and make sure the captur is set to captur as well

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woodwizzle:

ok, thats all done

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woodwizzle:

still not hearing any audio on my phones though

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beau:

yea

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beau:

u might not i was just thinking

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beau:

cos the card probably doesnt have a preamp so the audio coming out wont be able to be herad on headphones

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woodwizzle:

oh ok

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beau:

is knoppmyth slow? isnt it a live cd?

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woodwizzle:

well then I guess I just gotta get that cable and cross my fingers

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woodwizzle:

nah its pretty smooth

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beau:

yea, they are usually hell cheap on ebay

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beau:

do u have an amp

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woodwizzle:

its not a liveCD

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beau:

or just headphones?

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woodwizzle:

just headphones

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beau:

ahh u got the distro not the live cd

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beau:

k damn

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woodwizzle:

yup

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woodwizzle:

its installed

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beau:

oh ok

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beau:

yea, i had to format yesterday so got rid of all my mythstuff but i only had 0.18.2

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beau:

so like im a get 0.19 and hopefully get xbmcmythtv working as well

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beau:

what kind of tuner card do u have man

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woodwizzle:

i have a pvr-250

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beau:

k

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woodwizzle:

that a bought a couple years ago

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beau:

have u looked up on the net whether they use pci bus or not for audio

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woodwizzle:

and then i just inherited 1998 wintv car

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beau:

cos i mean, theres no point wasting money on that cable allthough there hell cheap lol

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woodwizzle:

the pvr-250 works over pci, but I dunno about the wintv

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beau:

yea id say u need a cable then but hey its better off checking first ay

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render1:

hi, i'm having a problem with mythfrontend freezing video after playing for about 1 second after i boot. if i restart mythbackend everything works fine. i'm using myth 0.18.1.20050510 on a gentoo box. any ideas whats wrong?

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woodwizzle:

i found a cable

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woodwizzle:

but it doesn't seem to be working

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beau:

ahh damn

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beau:

what u testing it in?>

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woodwizzle:

i could be testing it wrong

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woodwizzle:

don't really know how to test it

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woodwizzle:

i was playing the video from mythtv

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woodwizzle:

but that could very well be configured wrong

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beau:

yea possibly

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beau:

do u have xawtv installed?

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woodwizzle:

yup

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woodwizzle:

never used it though

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beau:

use it to test

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beau:

unmute the line in using alsamixer

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beau:

make sure the line out of the tuner card,, goes to the line in on the sound card (blue colour code on sound card i think )

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woodwizzle:

yup

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beau:

then select ur freq table (right click in xawtv and then its self explanatory i think)

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beau:

then press up til u find a channel

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beau:

if u know ur channel numbers then just go straight to a channel, sorry cant help ya with what the numbers would be cos im in australia

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woodwizzle:

nothing but bluescreens in xawtv

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woodwizzle:

oh wait

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woodwizzle:

gotta it going

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woodwizzle:

no audio though

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beau:

k theres possibly stuff wrong in alsamixer

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beau:

u gotta set the line in as the recording device

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beau:

what kind of audio card u got

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woodwizzle:

on board nforce audio

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beau:

k

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beau:

in alsamixer

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beau:

u need to access ur input devices

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beau:

i cant member how to do it sorry

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beau:

but yea

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beau:

its most likely alsa mixer settings are wrong

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beau:

or a possibly error is u plugged the one end of the cable into the line in on the tuner card

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beau:

it needs to be on line out on the tuner card, line in on the sound card

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woodwizzle:

cable seems fine

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woodwizzle:

in alsamixer capture is up, not muted and set to capture

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woodwizzle:

as is line

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woodwizzle:

i also have something called Video in there

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beau:

ok

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beau:

nah its not that

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beau:

g2g dude

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beau:

b back late

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beau:

later *

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beau:

my msn is bagaudron54321@hotmail.com if u need it

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marcus2:

hm

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marcus2:

so i added a dual-tuner card to my mythbackend

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marcus2:

and the extra tuners work fine, for livetv

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marcus2:

but when a scheduled recording attempts to use them, the recording fails

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marcus2:

it doesnt create a file, and the 'watch recordings' says the recordings are zero-length

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Zider:

why does qt have to be compiled witk opengl support for mythtv to work, when nothing else is and I don't even have a 3D card? :P

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Juski:

quite simple, Zider... mythtv's UI is going the way of opengl

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Zider:

gah.. I just recompiled qt because it needed mysql support, now I have to recompile it again for opengl.. :P

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Zider:

is there anything else I need or will there be another qt recompile? ;P

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beau:

it dont as far as i know man

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beau:

what distro are u using?

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Zider:

gentoo

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Juski:

before the new UI stuff came in, in svn, mythgallery has always needed opengl support for the fancy transitions

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Zider:

hopefully distcc works this time, so I don't have to wait until tonight for it to finish ;)

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Zider:

ah well, gotta rush.. bbl

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Juski:

I've always had opengl in my USE flags, so I've never had any problem emerging mythtv or its components

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stuarta:

morning all

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Merlin83b:

Morning stuarta.

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ikonia:

should be the same as single head

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ikonia:

oops

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ikonia:

sorry

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Juski:

morning (ouch)

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Merlin83b:

MOrning

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Juski:

that DIY lark is taxing. feel like I've been doing circuit training

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** stuarta been carrying boxes **

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ikonia:

good morning mythtv channel

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Zider:

g'day mate

[09:15:04]

Juski:

stuarta: still moving your other half?

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stuarta:

moved :)

[09:15:15]

Juski:

goodo

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Juski:

just the unpacking left then.. that's the longest part usually

[09:15:29]

Zider:

hm, qt is still compiling.. :P

[09:15:31]

stuarta:

next weekend is scheduled for painting...

[09:15:44]

** Merlin83b still has boxes unopened from moving in 2 and a bit years ago. **

[09:15:46]

Juski:

I never really moved into my last place

[09:15:47]

ikonia:

ooo Juski a uk user

[09:15:49]

stuarta:

actually much of the unpacking is done.

[09:15:50]

ikonia:

excellent

[09:16:02]

Merlin83b:

I could probably throw them away...

[09:16:03]

Juski:

erm.. other uk users are here too – don't single me out!

[09:16:07]

dorel_:

any ideas if it's possible or would be to add pictures to the mythnews? (the rss reader thing)

[09:16:09]

ikonia:

really, excellent

[09:16:11]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, single Juski out!

[09:16:20]

ikonia:

not to many projects have a reasonable uk presense

[09:16:23]

stuarta:

where did I put the trout.

[09:16:33]

Juski:

dorel_: rss is just text, not graphics

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ikonia:

ahhh and stuard

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ikonia:

stuart

[09:16:41]

ikonia:

although stuart is a solid british name

[09:16:51]

dorel_:

Juski: yeah. i was just thinking of adding to it :P

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stuarta:

horseshit

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Juski:

pity stuarta isn't british then

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Juski:

:-P

[09:17:01]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

[09:17:03]

ikonia:

no, thats martian

[09:17:14]

Merlin83b:

RSS supports enclosures or whatever they're called.

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stuarta:

ikonia: almost everyone active here is UK

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dorel_:

Merlin83b: what are they good for?

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Juski:

RSS is still unused by me

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ikonia:

very cool

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ikonia:

as I said – rare

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Merlin83b:

dorel_: Putting images in. Or audio. Other files, basically.

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Juski:

or.. stuff people _want_ to read!!!!

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dorel_:

Merlin83b: ahh... but on the other hand the mythnews plugin needs to know how to handle it and i dont think it currently does

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stuarta:

your RSS reader will do the icons

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Zider:

does the program guide work with swedish channels as well?

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stuarta:

program guide works will all sorts of channels

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Merlin83b:

dorel_: Indeed, just pointing out that RSS already supports it.

[09:19:39]

Zider:

stuarta: but doesn't it have to read the program info from somewhere?

[09:19:58]

stuarta:

yes, but that's a completely different question

[09:20:28]

Zider:

stuarta: well, that's what I meant ;)

[09:20:29]

Juski:

so ikonia: you gonna go for dvb-t tuners or dvb-t tuners?

[09:20:39]

Juski:

or even dvb-s tuners?

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stuarta:

read up on mythfilldatabase & tv_grab

[09:20:52]

ikonia:

I've got 2 T's and 1 S

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ikonia:

in my box

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Juski:

so you've just come in channel for the craic? ;-)

[09:21:24]

stuarta:

or use over the air epg data (dvb-t)

[09:21:46]

ikonia:

yeah, just to lurk a bit, see whats being said see what tips and tricks are being discussed, and generally hang out

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** ip_goat_rodeo uses the opportunity to grumble about the lack of isdb-t tuner cards. **

[09:22:16]

Juski:

isdb-t ?

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Juski:

some weird japanese standard?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

brazil too I think

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ip_goat_rodeo:

or at least brazil was talking about it

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ikonia:

Juski where is bagu.broadband.ntl.com ?

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ikonia:

the prefix is normally a give away to where you are

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ikonia:

but bagu ?

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Juski:

baguley, wherever that is.. ntl's routing centre

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Juski:

I'm in the manchester area

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ikonia:

ahh cool

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Juski:

ip_goat_rodeo: isdb-t looks very similar to DVB – but prolly not similar enough

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ikonia:

just interested, nothing underhand

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Juski:

pop along to lugradiolive in wolverhampton last weekend in july.. I'll be exhibiting mythtv there

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Juski:

could do with an extra hand or two

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ikonia:

Juski I may be tempted

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ikonia:

in what capacity would you be demo'ing on behalf of the project, or as something you do ?

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Juski:

on behalf of the project and out of the goodness of my heart

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Juski:

spreading the mythtv gospel :-P

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ip_goat_rodeo:

The important difference is that every ISDB reciever has to support PPV

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ikonia:

ahh cool, so you activly participate in the project

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Juski:

I help people out where I can. I've developed a couple of themes too

[09:30:19]

ip_goat_rodeo:

So a capture card needs to have a BCAS card onboard.

[09:30:23]

ikonia:

ooh themes, very cool. Thats something I'll be look for shortly

[09:30:29]

Juski:

I'm also on the mythtvtalk.com moderating team

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ikonia:

Juski pleasure to meet you

[09:31:04]

ip_goat_rodeo:

I have seen a grand total of ONE ISDB-T card announced, and don't think it ever hit the market.

[09:31:26]

Juski:

ip_goat_rodeo: keep the pc users locked out – welcome to the future of broadcasting

[09:32:17]

Juski:

Sky have done the same – if you want their content you buy their gear

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ikonia:

its a shame sky's hardware has so limiting hardware partners

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ip_goat_rodeo:

Have seen pictures of the cards – they're double-slots, but nothing's hit the stores yet.

[09:33:09]

ikonia:

and their price is stupid

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Juski:

ikonia: if people weren't prepared to pay the money sky wouldn't get away with it

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ikonia:

thats an interesting argument, which I agree with to an extent

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ikonia:

however sky hold the key cards so if I stopped paying to make my stand

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ikonia:

I would have to wait years before enough others did the same for sky to bring price down

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ikonia:

therefore would miss out on the content I enjoy

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ikonia:

it has to be "on mass" or not at all

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stuarta:

and while sky hold all the tv rights to any interesting sport, that's not going to happen

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ikonia:

exactly

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stuarta:

bastards

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ikonia:

I agree with the principal, most of sky's content is exclusive

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ikonia:

so I'd have to sit out a few years worth of content

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ikonia:

before enough people potentially left

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Juski:

not so much now the European court has told em off

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stuarta:

if you were thinking about it just for movies, all you need is a myth box :)

[09:36:08]

hashbang:

every protest has to begin somewhere.

[09:36:15]

ikonia:

stuarta yeah, there are some ok movies on free to air

[09:36:17]

Juski:

and if it was for football, get a new interest :-P

[09:36:26]

ikonia:

hashbang totally, but where does it start

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stuarta:

Juski: internationaly rugby & cricket.

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** ikonia returns to the topic **

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ikonia:

stuarta and the motorsport coverage is good

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hashbang:

ikonia: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0349113467

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stuarta:

this channel is almost never on topic :)

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ikonia:

hashbang look interesting

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** Juski doesn't, and never will subscribe to Sky TV – I'm protesting **

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ikonia:

good for you

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ikonia:

as hashbang said, it has to start somewhere

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Juski:

even if I could afford it I wouldn't have it :)

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hashbang:

Juski: ditto

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hashbang:

Juski: maybe if it no longer belonged to Murdoch...

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Juski:

I like their HD promos though

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stuarta:

I figure if I was to see the rugby, I'll go down the pub

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stuarta:

s/was/want

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Juski:

I think sport is best watched communally anyway

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ikonia:

I think the cheek of asking for new kit and a £10 per month subscrption.....well £50 per month for all channels £10 per month for multi view, plus new box, £10 per month for HD + newer box

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ikonia:

you could easy smash some good money against sky

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Juski:

not to mention you need a new telly costing £2000 (for a good enough one)

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ikonia:

true, but thats not really sky fault

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stuarta:

it's just a global conspiracy

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Juski:

if the test clips I've downloaded are anything to go by I won't be bothering with HDTV for a long time yet

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ikonia:

nah, it will take a while to develop

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ikonia:

I won't be interested until HD interactive porn becomes the norm ;)

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Juski:

I call that marriage :-P

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ikonia:

sky costs almost as much as marrige

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ikonia:

nice thing is you can turn sky off

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ikonia:

yup

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ikonia:

oops

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thechris:

I would like to set up mythvideo

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thechris:

how do i update the list of videos i have

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thechris:

i have switched the directory to the correct directory on my computer, but it still lists no videos

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ip_goat_rodeo:

wow, I was wrong – Toshiba is going to have a laptop with isdb-t tuner in stores next month

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ip_goat_rodeo:

assuming its not vaporware that'll probably be first thing to actually make it to retail

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ikonia:

do you guys use myth to play your DVD's ?

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hashbang:

anyone got any tips on diagnosing/debugging/fixing video jitter?

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hashbang:

I've played with GL vsync on/off, Xv/XvMC on/off, video as timebase on/off, and I've got the rlimits stuff set up so mythtv can do rtprio

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hashbang:

I've also tuned ATA and video card PCI latency as per doc on mythtv wiki

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hashbang:

my video mode is 50Hz vsync exactly, according to xvidtune.

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poke:

morning ppl

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hashbang:

poke: heya

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poke:

i'm trying to search for the DVB radio patches for mythtv.. no luck

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Juski:

hashbang: deinterlace or bust

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Juski:

poke: search trac over at svn.mythtv.org

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poke:

ty

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Kavorka:

guys is a p4 1.8mhz with 256mb ram adequate for a mythbox?

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ikonia:

front/and/or/backend

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Juski:

Kavorka: for standard def. TV, yes

[10:07:13]

Kavorka:

both

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ikonia:

bit shy on ram surly

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Kavorka:

yeah ill get more ram...is there a way to disable live tv? it seems to be choking my system

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Kavorka:

ie i want to watch tv with no recordng buffer

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Juski:

use tvtime then

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Juski:

or move into the 21st century way of thinking ;-)

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thechris:

have you tried setting the TV buffer lower?

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hashbang:

Juski: really? even if I'm outputting a real PAL signal to a real PAL TV?

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hashbang:

poke: you need to pull the DVB patches from SVN

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Juski:

hashbang: are you putting out interlaced video? you need to be

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Juski:

I mean the vga cards tv encoder probably is but what's it being fed with? proper 720x576 interlaced mode?

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hashbang:

poke: svn diff -r 8946:8948 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv >mythtv-0.19-dvbradio.diff

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hashbang:

Juski: yup, interlaced, via my VGA->RGB scart cable.

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hashbang:

Juski: 768x576

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Kavorka:

ok ill try that. ok one more question...mythtv works fine and i can change channels but then suddenly it will lock up and i get the folliwing error..

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.726 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.734 Using protocol version 26

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.882 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.884 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.884 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Kavorka:

2006-04–01 09:55:37.884 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Kavorka:

2006

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Kavorka:

sorry for the flood

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stuarta:

pastebin.ca

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hashbang:

Kavorka: are you attempting to tune to a channel that's gone away?

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Kavorka:

and the only way to get past it is to rerun setup

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hashbang:

echo "use mythconverg; update cardinput set startchan=<SAFECHANNEL>;" | mysql -u root --password=<PASSWORD>

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Kavorka:

i dont think so...this worked fine on my other machine..im using the same channels.conf file

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hashbang:

Kavorka: dunno what it's like in .au, but in .uk, some channels are shared and go away during certain hours.

[10:13:33]

Kavorka:

so if the station is offline that will cause problems?

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hashbang:

Kavorka: if one leaves mythtv on one of these channels, then exits, then returns later when they've gone away, you'll get the 'error displaying video' message.

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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hashbang:

Kavorka: assuming DVB-x, anyway.

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Kavorka:

yeah but i went into setup and chose a different starting channel

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Kavorka:

yeah i have a dvb

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Kavorka:

and it sitll does it

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PaulWay:

Is anyone here in Australia and using the tvguide.org.au program guide?

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TakKovacs:

has anyone had any luck getting the microsoft remote keyboard working under linux ?

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** hashbang hands TakKovacs the soap and water **

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hashbang:

you'll be needing that.

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hashbang:

:-)

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TakKovacs:

I've taken a bath ? :-(

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Juski:

hashbang: that mode should be okay, but bear in mind you might not actually be getting interlaced video out

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Juski:

hashbang: about the M$ thing – I get that way when people talk about 'wintv' tuner cards :-/

[10:33:31]

hashbang:

Juski: no, I definitely am, now, with the 8576 nVidia drivers. I wasn't with 8183.

[10:34:06]

hashbang:

Juski: now, whether it strictly adheres to PAL specs is another matter, but I don't have a scope. :-)

[10:34:29]

Juski:

ah okay then. the OSD might jitter a bit. and you'll probably see interlace jitter on hard lines of titles etc.. but that's normal

[10:34:59]

hashbang:

it might even be source material or entirely perceptual.

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hashbang:

I swear it's worse on US-sourced material, and perfect on adverts.

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Juski:

hashbang: you using dvb-t?

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** hashbang nods. **

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Juski:

hrm

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hashbang:

XvMC is better in 8576 than 8178/8183, but still adds some audio glitches, and increases CPU usage IIRC, so I usually just use Standard.

[10:40:41]

Juski:

maybe that's where the jitter is coming from then

[10:40:44]

PaulWay:

Has anyone had a problem with program guide being one hour later than it should be?

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Merlin83b:

PaulWay: Set your timezeon properly.

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hashbang:

Juski: the source, you mean?

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PaulWay:

Merlin83b: That's the first thing I checked! It's correct :-)

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PaulWay:

The timezone is correct and the clock is synced by NTP.

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TakKovacs:

I've had that problem of late PaulWay, aussie daylight saving caused the greif

[10:45:36]

TakKovacs:

should be ok now

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Juski:

hashbang: dunno if it'd be the source material – never notice any issues here

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PaulWay:

Yeah, I had the problem the week before daylight savings actually changed back.

[10:46:09]

PaulWay:

Stupid Commonwealth games.

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TakKovacs:

Yup..it should be fixed now tho..mine is

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PaulWay:

During that time the guide data said it was correct but the computer itself thought it was an hour later than it should have been.

[10:47:05]

PaulWay:

And then it's changed so the clock is correct but the program guide is saying that e.g. the news happens at 8PM, not 7.

[10:47:33]

TakKovacs:

ah...what are you using for tv_grab_au (guessing your in Aus) ?

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PaulWay:

Yep, in Canberra.

[10:47:51]

PaulWay:

I'm using the tvguide.org.au grabber?

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PaulWay:

s/?/./

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thechris:

PaulWay: replace a an optional char with any char?

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PaulWay:

I have no idea why my fingers put a question mark at the end of that sentence.

[10:49:00]

PaulWay:

They're usually good with hitting the right keys.

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TakKovacs:

I'm using the ninemsn grabber and it asks for an offset to GMT..does the tvguide.org ask /

[10:49:19]

TakKovacs:

?

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PaulWay:

No, AFAICS it all comes in with your local timezone.

[10:50:21]

PaulWay:

The way the grabber works, I think it downloads the data from their database directly using native time codes.

[10:50:32]

TakKovacs:

hmm..odd

[10:50:38]

PaulWay:

The tvguide.org.au site is fully legal to use, whereas the ninemsn is ... not.

[10:51:01]

TakKovacs:

ah I see...

[10:51:16]

PaulWay:

So it's designed to give access to those programs that know how to interface with it, rather than pissing people off every six months by putting some new javascript encryptor in there...

[10:51:26]

PaulWay:

That's why I went away from the ninemsn grabber.

[10:51:35]

TakKovacs:

yep I'm familiar with it but haven't tried it..

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TakKovacs:

I'm tempted to pay for the Iceguide

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PaulWay:

I paid for the Iceguide for a month – it was good.

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Juski:

how does that work then? can it work with mythtv?

[10:53:06]

PaulWay:

The tvguide.org.au only has a minimum of three days loaded, whereas iceguide always has seven.

[10:53:24]

Juski:

in the UK we have digiguide but they won't open it up to mythtv (shiesters)

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PaulWay:

Yeah, Juski: IceTV supply a fully working tv_grab_au/

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PaulWay:

Jeez, what is it with my fingers and end-of-sentence punctuation today@

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TakKovacs:

lol @ PaulWay

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PaulWay:

I'm trying to work out where this grabber writes its temporary files

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PaulWay:

so I can work out if the intermediary data is correct.

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stuarta:

most of the grabbers are written in perl, so it shouldn't be too hard

[10:57:55]

TakKovacs:

has anyone had any luck with the transmitter part of the microsoft transciver ?

[10:57:56]

PaulWay:

This one's in python.

[10:58:04]

PaulWay:

But that's OK, I can sort of read python too.

[10:58:27]

stuarta:

ppl think perl is hard to read, python isn't much better....

[10:58:28]

TakKovacs:

or do I need the soap and water again ?

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PaulWay:

Crimson Christ! Tea spill on keyboard! It's just not my night.

[11:00:10]

PaulWay:

TakKovacs: That's a Laugh Out Loud if ever I saw one.

[11:00:29]

PaulWay:

You can write fortran code in any language, they say.

[11:00:36]

TakKovacs:

which one..your tea ? or my soap and water ? :-)

[11:00:58]

PaulWay:

Well, all of it really.

[11:01:33]

TakKovacs:

tehe

[11:01:43]

dorel_:

i just tried compiling lirc0.8 with my hauppauge card but it requires this i2c bus thing which i dont think my motherboard supports

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PaulWay:

With the ribbing I cop from a friend of mine for using Perl over his preferred Python, and how it resembles line noise and encourages bad programming, your statement is a nice bit of hyperbole.

[11:02:11]

PaulWay:

dorel_: Most motherboards have an I2C bus.

[11:02:36]

PaulWay:

AFAIK it's just a protocol for communicating with the chips onboard the PCI cards.

[11:02:55]

stuarta:

PaulWay: it's just all the references to self that do my head in.

[11:02:56]

PaulWay:

But I'm probably spouting nonsense again so I'll shut up.

[11:03:09]

PaulWay:

stuarta: That's object-oriented programming for you :-)

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PaulWay:

Perl's OO is no better...

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PaulWay:

The only language that I've seen that's really nice for OO is Eiffel.

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PaulWay:

And Borland were going to come out with an Eiffel compiler but they produced Turbo Pascal 6 instead (to compete with MS C)

[11:04:48]

TakKovacs:

what about .Net PaulWay ?

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dorel_:

PaulWay: well this is a via motherboard, one of those tiny entertainment things so it could be that it doesnt support it

[11:05:47]

PaulWay:

.net is MS's attempt to take the most annoying features of C++, add in the most annoying features of Java, and produce something to slow software development down so that Vista releases look speedy :-)

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PaulWay:

dorel_: A Via EPIA? It supports i2c. I've got one here and lm_sensors uses i2c to communicate with the onboard sensors.

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PaulWay:

Just in case anyone missed it, my .Net pronouncement was A Joke.

[11:06:53]

dorel_:

well lirc doesnt compile and it errors out regarding i2c code.

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dorel_:

PaulWay: how can i check if the mb supports i2c first of all?

[11:07:22]

PaulWay:

Is it a Via EPIA?

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dorel_:

yep

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PaulWay:

Well, my experience is that it probably does.

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dorel_:

ok. do i need to install some module?

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dorel_:

kernel configuration or anything?

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PaulWay:

I don't know how to tell reliably – e.g. by running a program – but mine does.

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PaulWay:

What distro are you using, dorel_?

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dorel_:

debian

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dorel_:

2.6.16–1 kernel

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PaulWay:

*shrugs* I'm using Fedora on 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 kernels and it's just fine.

[11:10:13]

dorel_:

:p

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PaulWay:

I just installed the lm_sensors package and away it went.

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dorel_:

ok i think i found something

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PaulWay:

This probably doesn't help, sorry :-)

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dorel_:

runing 'modprobe -l | grep i2c' shows alot of modules

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dorel_:

can you check if your system is loading any of those modules?

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dorel_:

try runing 'lsmod | grep i2c'

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PaulWay:

These sound like rhetorical questions... :-)

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dorel_:

heh

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PaulWay:

I load i2c_isa, i2c_viapro and i2c_core.

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PaulWay:

I also compiled up the vt1211 module, which you need to get the sensors on the Via board.

[11:12:58]

PaulWay:

I blogged this somewhere...

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dorel_:

ok ill just do it the debian way with apt-get

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PaulWay:

That's the way to go.

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PaulWay:

Lord it over us RPM users :-)

[11:17:03]

PaulWay:

Hmmm – new version of tv_grab_au_reg – time to be updating...

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Juski:

ugh.. starting to see plenty forum postings about DVB scanning not working right in 0.19. Might need to make a sticky thread about it

[11:22:29]

ikonia:

what part of the mythsetup actually creates the mythtv mysql database ?

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ikonia:

as in schmea ?

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ikonia:

schema

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Juski:

erm... the bit that does the DB schema stuff

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Juski:

use the source ;-)

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ikonia:

and the DBtype of QMYSQL3 – what sort of DB is Qmysql3 ?

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Juski:

Qt, mysql3

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ikonia:

but surly thats changeable

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Juski:

Qt libraries are used to access the DB

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ikonia:

I'm totally miss-reading the notes here

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ikonia:

my fault

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Juski:

oh wait.. qt3, mysql

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ikonia:

yes, thats better

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ikonia:

thats as I read it

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ikonia:

qt3 connector to mysql

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ikonia:

the name qtmysql3 is a tad missleading, thats all

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ikonia:

qt3mysql would be better

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Juski:

so are a lot of linux package names

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ikonia:

thats true

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Juski:

one man's logic is not the same as another's I suppose

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PaulWay:

There's probably an ancient and proud tradition about why the 3 is at the end...

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Juski:

no – it's Qt's 3rd iteration

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ikonia:

trolltech sacfificied its 3rd developer

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ikonia:

its called that in his honour

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Juski:

so why Qt4?

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ikonia:

4th manager

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ikonia:

next generation

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ikonia:

;o)

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ikonia:

I suppose QT4's still a bit new for myth to use

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Juski:

erm.. totally

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Juski:

not much much new – just different

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ikonia:

very different

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ikonia:

hence kde's total failure against QT4 unless your using trunk

[11:28:37]

Juski:

why the hell is a user complaining the bleb.org listings are down? why doesn't he just use tv_grab_uk_rt? dumbass

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PaulWay:

I thought the UK had several free feeds – the BBC, for instance?

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stuarta:

haven't they been dead for ages?

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Juski:

tv_grab_uk_rt, and there's EIT data. end of story for free EPG data

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stuarta:

I only use EIT, if it breaks I want to know about it.

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Juski:

I didn't know bleb had died until now – not that it seemed to be any use..

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Juski:

more popular before uk_rt took off I think..

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Juski:

jees man. owner of the bleb domain wants to opt out of the registrants personal details bit

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Juski:

bad crack having your home address for all to see

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ikonia:

ok, now we are getting somewhere

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ikonia:

the documentation for myth is pretty thoughrough

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Juski:

anyone know what DHL are like for collecting stuff from the depot cos you weren't in when they tried to deliver?

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ikonia:

they are awkward for me

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ikonia:

as I live miles away

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ikonia:

and find it hard to get there with plenty of warning

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ikonia:

I think they are fine as long as you arrange it with them

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ikonia:

and take photo id

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Juski:

just watching the van on my cctv now, powerless to do anything about it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's my experience as well..Call them before and it's fine..They don't even seem to ask for id.

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Juski:

I can see the driver filling a form in now

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ikonia:

you need to up your web system to have a speak

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ikonia:

speaker

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ikonia:

" leave it out side the back door – thank you !"

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Juski:

yeh lol

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Juski:

actually I can do that with this system

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ikonia:

"your flys are undone "

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ikonia:

"made you look"

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ikonia:

etc

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RaYmAn-Bx:

don't they attempt to deliver twice there? They seem to do that here.

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ikonia:

they do 3 times

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ikonia:

then back to sender if you don't claim in 7 days after 3rd attempt

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RaYmAn-Bx:

they wanted to charge me for the third attempt last time :/

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Juski:

ouch

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Juski:

people I bought my car door mirrors from wanted to do that. I told them where to shove it

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D-side:

ever catch the prick who was smashing them?

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Juski:

nah

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Juski:

well actually – kind of

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Juski:

a neighbour took photos of the guy round to the pub & was showing it to people

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D-side:

hah nice!

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Juski:

a random bloke drove by his house last week & asked about the photos

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Juski:

so we think whoever it is, is a bit scared now

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D-side:

i hope it works for you

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Juski:

not seen him even walking past since the photos went around

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Juski:

and he's got a very unique way of walking (that's one way to put it anyway)

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Juski:

think John Cleese :-P

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D-side:

i was hoping he'd be walking with a limp after you caught him. :)

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Juski:

he walks like a tw@

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D-side:

haha

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deniidil:

weird

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deniidil:

myth is telling me /video/mythtv doesn't exist

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deniidil:

event though it does

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deniidil:

and it's chmod 777 and chown mythtv.mythtv

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PaulWay:

Nup, still doing it even with the new program version.

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hashbang:

stuarta: where do you get the networkids for the dtv_multiplex table from for EIT?

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johnp_:

hashbang, which country are you in ? (uk=9018)

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hashbang:

johnp_: yup, UK – so it's 9018 for all of the UK, not just xtal palace?

[12:16:23]

johnp_:

correct

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hashbang:

so just update dtv_multiplex set networkid=9018;

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hashbang:

and setting useonairguide for the channels I want should do it, then?

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johnp_:

we can hope :)

[12:18:22]

hashbang:

cool. I'll see whether it works when I get home. :-)

[12:19:06]

hashbang:

I'd like EIT for the radio stations, but I'll continue to use RT for the TV channels.

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stuarta:

hashbang: that should work :)

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dorel_:

damn it!

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** hashbang is puzzled by the transportIDs though. All mine are NULL, and yet DVB-T works fine (albeit without EIT) **

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stuarta:

what do you want to know

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irc:

hey all

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hashbang:

stuarta: are they also UK-wide, or are they different for each mplex?

[12:49:08]

dorel_:

i have the hauppauge pvr150 installed and i see video on the svideo input but its black and white and extreme delay

[12:49:09]

stuarta:

they appear to change on a site by site basis

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irc:

anyone know what happend to lost episode 17?

[12:49:24]

Merlin83b:

It got lost. Hahaha.

[12:49:24]

irc is now known as WHiTEBOX

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Merlin83b:

Sorry.

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dorel_:

i just installed it on a windows box and its working fine there.

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stuarta:

firstly every mplex has a different tsid

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WHiTEBOX:

crap! not lost.. i ment prison break

[12:49:40]

WHiTEBOX:

lool

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stuarta:

then those tsid's may differ slightly depending on the transmitter you are on

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dorel_:

sheesh

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dorel_:

what am i doing wrong?

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hashbang:

stuarta: what are the transportIDs used for?

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stuarta:

hashbang: uniquely identifiying a transport. also used to build unique keys for EIT data

[12:52:05]

hashbang:

stuarta: so just EIT, and not video/audio?

[12:53:10]

stuarta:

a PMT (program map table) carries PID mappings for video/audio/data streams for a given channel

[12:53:39]

stuarta:

the PMT's are carried in the PAT (program association table)

[12:54:07]

stuarta:

then there are other mappings to give nice names to things

[12:54:40]

stuarta:

if bored, some decent basic info in the wiki on linuxtv.org

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hashbang:

OK, so I'm going to need the transportID column of dtv_multiplex to be filled with non-NULL in order for EIT to work. I'm trying to figure out where I get the values from...

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stuarta:

could use dvbsnoop

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stuarta:

what version are you using

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hashbang:

stuarta: 0.19, and I have dvbsnoop installed already. :-)

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Juski:

dvbscan can tell you with its most verbose option too

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stuarta:

dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10

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stuarta:

that'll give you the NIT, which has all the info you need

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stuarta:

make sure you use tzap to lock onto a channel first

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hashbang:

Transport_stream_ID: 4097 (0x1001)

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hashbang:

Original_network_ID: 9018 (0x233a)

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stuarta:

there should be 6 tsid's in total, you'll need to compare the centre frequency against you mplex frequencies and then fill in the decimal version of the tdis

[13:04:45]

stuarta:

think the 0.19 scanner is capable of doing that too...

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hashbang:

dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10 | grep -i 'transport_stream|center frequency' seems to be useful

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hashbang:

stuarta: done, ta!

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stuarta:

and you learnt some of dvb internals as well :)

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hashbang:

I'll be hax0ring teh dbv before you know it. :-)

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** hashbang self-trouts **

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hashbang:

I thought dvbsnoop might be handy one day. :-)

[13:11:47]

stuarta:

my current favourite dvb tool :))

[13:13:19]

stuarta:

pointless thread of the weekend award goes to....

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hashbang:

stuarta: I always install low-level tools like that. I believe that eventually, it's always necessary to look at packet captures, hexdumps of files, system calls and such like in order to understand what's /really/ going on.

[13:13:48]

stuarta:

'Bad English' a thread about the spelling of adapter (/dev/dvb/adapter....)

[13:14:09]

stuarta:

hashbang: I like your thinking

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hashbang:

stuarta: one of the reasons I like FOSS; there's always the source around to find out how something really works.

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hashbang:

stuarta: usually, though, attaching strace is sufficient

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stuarta:

sometimes valgrind is necessary...

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** johnp_ hates motif **

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hashbang:

johnp_: respect your elders. motif was probably around before you were. :-)

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johnp_:

ha, doubt that :)

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stuarta:

itv need to get a new epg monkey

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hashbang:

johnp_: prefer OpenLook, would we? ;-)

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stuarta:

lots of things categorized as movies that aren't *grumble*

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johnp_:

uggh, no thanks.

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hashbang:

'eh, Muuunkey!

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hashbang:

johnp_: OL did look prettier, at least. Rounded widgets++

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stuarta:

at least monkey is being shown at the moment :)

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hashbang:

speaking of Johnny Vegas, Ideal++

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Juski:

ITV need to get a new controller, never mind new EPG monkey

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ikonia:

epg ?

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stuarta:

electronic program guide. populated from EIT data

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Deathwish`:

works a charm here, the EIT data

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ikonia:

I see

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ikonia:

still learning all the terms

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hashbang:

http://www.hauppauge.fr/images/visuels/novatu . . . d_remote.jpg

[13:42:07]

hashbang:

anyone considered patching MythTV so that pressing the number keys multiple times, quickly, gives alpha characters? (e.g. for quick searching in long lists)

[13:42:37]

stuarta:

there's a pop up keyboard instead

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hashbang:

stuarta: can that be used for navigating music/games?

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hashbang:

also, on a related tack, is there a way to disable the special key bindings temporarily whilst using mythweb?

[13:45:10]

stuarta:

don't think anyone's ported the keyboard to the plugins

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hashbang:

when you have ~5000 tracks and even more games, scrolling through them is a bit of a drag.

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AngryElf:

hey all, when watching shows on one of my frontends mfe says that my system can't display the full 1280x1024 resolution and therefore frames will be dropped, i guess this is my vid card? I've got the latest drivers from ATI, is there anything else that can be tweaked?

[13:54:15]

Zider:

crap, mythtv failed to compile again :P

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TheFloyd:

yeah, replace the ATI crap with something by nvidia ;)

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dorel_:

ok im finding other people on pvr150's forums complaining about this black and white output on the screen when using svideo to svideo

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TheFloyd:

dorel- i'd check your svideo cable, and make sure the PVR is aware it's speaking svideo

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TheFloyd:

i've seen black and white output when using an svideo->composite adaptor before

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dorel_:

well i just said – its an svideo output from a laptop to the svideo input in the pvr150

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Merlin83b:

I get black and white if I don't tell my TV to accept S video on the input it's using (it has a composite there too)

[13:58:05]

TheFloyd:

so i suspect if you're going svideo->svideo but the card thinks it's getting composite

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dorel_:

just to make sure what i did is installed the card on windows and it works fine then.

[13:58:24]

TheFloyd:

yeah, make sure the card knows it's getting svideo

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TheFloyd:

if it thinks it's getting composite on the svideo port

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TheFloyd:

you will get b&w

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dorel_:

i see.

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dorel_:

thats the problem then

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RaYmAn-Bx:

It could also be a difference in the set standard (PAL vs NTSC for example)

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dorel_:

any ideas how to i make it know it's getting svideo?

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dorel_:

on linux ofcourse

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dorel_:

:p

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TheFloyd:

I haven't messed with anything other than RF inputs on those cards under linux/myth, so I can't help ya with that

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dorel_:

damn

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dorel_:

im struggling with this for so long its becoming frustrating

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RaYmAn-Bx:

try messing about with ivtvctl settings

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oZrine:

sorry to bust in but I'm going mental

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GreyFoxx:

dorel_: Only time I've seen what you describe was when I had a bad cable with a broken pin

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oZrine:

can anyone help me scan some channels?

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GreyFoxx:

If you have another svideo cable try it

[14:01:22]

TheFloyd:

what kind of channels?

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oZrine:

I'm using novaT in UK

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dorel_:

yeah but its not the cable because ive tested the *exact* scenario but on a windows box and it worked fine

[14:01:54]

Deathwish`:

oZrine, which Myth ver?

[14:02:06]

oZrine:

I can't select the "scan channels" button in the setup

[14:02:11]

dorel_:

laptop-with-windows---svideo-out -> cable -> svideo-in---desktop-with-windows

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dorel_:

ill try playing again with ivtvctl then

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TheFloyd:

dorel- it's gotta either be a bad svideo cable, or that the card isn't expecting svideo on the input, but composite

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TheFloyd:

beyond that, I'm not of much help

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TheFloyd:

:)

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stuarta:

oZrine: make sure you have datasources setup and associated with the card

[14:02:59]

oZrine:

actually I'm not too sure which version I'm using

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oZrine:

I installed it using ap-tget on ubuntu

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stuarta:

then you should have 0.19, use dpkg to check

[14:04:03]

oZrine:

(after someone here rec'd I use Ubuntu--which incidentally is quite nice)

[14:04:12]

oZrine:

will do.

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dorel_:

ok so thats the problem

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dorel_:

its set on composite, im seeing it in mythtv

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oZrine:

I can't get dpkg to find the version of myth

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oZrine:

any hints?

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null:

Hi. Is it possible to wake up a mythtv box with a remote?

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stuarta:

dpkg -l myth* (assuming the packages all start with myth)

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oZrine:

(fair assumption)

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oZrine:

.18.1–5

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dorel_:

is there a way to change the input source to svideo from mythfrontend or mythtv-setup or is it more low-level with ivtvctl commands and stuff?

[14:08:30]

stuarta:

that's way out of date.

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oZrine:

should I choose a fresher source for my apt-get?

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oZrine:

I'll delete it now

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stuarta:

sadly I don't know where to get it from

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stuarta:

0.18 is better than nothing :)

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oZrine:

should it still work ?

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oZrine:

kaffeine works fine with dvb

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oZrine:

thanks stuarta, what do you think I should do?

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oZrine:

is anyone running ubuntu out there?

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oZrine:

deathwish`: any thoughts?

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Deathwish`:

install 0.19 MythTv

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Deathwish`:

dead easy to scan with a Nova-T then

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Deathwish`:

as im using one :)

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oZrine:

deathwish: how would you recommend I install .19?

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oZrine:

should I try to build from scratch?

[14:25:49]

oZrine:

what did you do ?

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null:

Hi. Is it possible to wake up a mythtv box with a remote?

[14:26:40]

Deathwish`:

oZrine: im probably the last person you want to talk to ;)

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Deathwish`:

I used KnoppMyth

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oZrine:

gutted

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oZrine:

does KnoppM have .19 on?

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Deathwish`:

yes 0.19-fixes

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stuarta:

oZrine: it's not hard to compile from source, and the deb's must be around somewhere

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oZrine:

I'll have a hunt

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stuarta:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Breezy_Installation

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oZrine:

nice

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oZrine:

thanks

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port7:

any recomendations on webcam for mythphone?

[14:36:59]

alex777:

hm, how come I can't connect to mysql from another machine, I looked at my.cnf and there's nothing that says it's blocking connections

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alex777:

any ideas ?

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oZrine:

firewall?

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Merlin83b:

alex777: MySQL granted permissions.

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alex777:

no, it's on the internal network

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Merlin83b:

Look in the user and db tables of the mysql database.

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port7:

oZrine: you will need to compile ivtv and lirc though

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alex777:

I set up a new user using phpmyadmin and I granted access from all hosts

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Merlin83b:

How far does the connection get?

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Merlin83b:

Connection refused or permissions error?

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oZrine:

port7: how so?

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alex777:

connection refused

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Merlin83b:

Oh, then it's firewall or iptables or whatever you have running.

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alex777:

I tried opening a telnet connection to it

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alex777:

on port 3306

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Beirdo:

is "skip-networking" or "bind 127.0.0.1" in my.cnf?

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Merlin83b:

And it was refused?

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alex777:

it's on the internal network

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alex777:

Merlin83b yes

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alex777:

Beirdo let me check

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alex777:

skip-networking is on

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Beirdo:

there's the probelm

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Beirdo:

comment that out or delete it

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Merlin83b:

Heh, you'll need networking on to log in over a network ;-)

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Beirdo:

restart mysql

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alex777:

I didn't notice that

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alex777:

thanks

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Beirdo:

no problem. Most distros do that by default so the server isn't wide open

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Beirdo:

you'll have to be sure to firewall it from outside of your network, etc if you want it securish, of course

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port7:

oZrine: the packages for ubuntu contain mostthings but not the ivtv drivers (hauppage cards) and lirc (remote control)

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alex777:

the router should take care of that

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oZrine:

dmesg suggests that my NOVA-T card is setup ok.

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oZrine:

do I still need IVTV?

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port7:

then maybe not

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alex777:

sweet, mysql works now, thanks :)

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alex777:

is Nova-T the card for satellite stuff ?

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oZrine:

nope

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port7:

nova-t is digital terestial

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oZrine:

it is for digital terestrial

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alex777:

oh

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alex777:

so you can get digital chans without using a digital box ?

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oZrine:

well, it is a digital receiver

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port7:

yep, free to air ones anyway

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oZrine:

it is a "digital box" in a way

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port7:

though my town is not getting digital terestial till 2009 :-(

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oZrine:

gutted.

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Merlin83b:

Where do you live, port7?

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alex777:

so you can't get the digital channels from your cable subscribtion ?

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port7:

glossop, derbyshire

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port7:

in the uk

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oZrine:

DVB is ostensibly a mpeg 2 stream fired out over the radio waves/

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Merlin83b:

I got the uk part already ;-)

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alex777:

even if you have a sub for digital chans ?

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port7:

yeah i have sky-tv and take an output from that

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Merlin83b:

I'm amazed you can't get digital already. Have you actually tried?

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port7:

though i can't do multiple tuners, without getting another sky subscription

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port7:

Merlin83b: yep tried and failed, the whole town is pissed about it

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Merlin83b:

Lame.

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Juski:

you need to be 'local' to get digital ;-)

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Juski:

and with manchester analogue going in 2008 they'd better get a move on

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stuarta:

it's a local service for local people????

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port7:

heh

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Juski:

glossop, very close to hadfield & padfield where they made 'the gents'

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port7:

aparently not otherwise we would have had it ages ago!

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** port7 thinks tubs has eaten the arial **

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Juski:

tubs ate the font?

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port7:

in fact i live in hadfield

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port7:

so i am local

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Juski:

there's a massive problem making relays for digital services too

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port7:

we have a transmitter in glossop, that is just a relay for winter hill i think

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Merlin83b:

Winter Hill has digital.

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Juski:

it's bound ot be on the timetable to be converted though

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Juski:

if winterhill is going 100% digi in 2008

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Juski:

what's the betting the BBC want to put a new relay in but someone blocked it cos it'd be an eyesore

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kahuna_:

Hi

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kahuna_:

Anyne try out nvidia 8756 with myth yet?

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Juski:

time to go

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hashbang:

kahuna_: I'm using 8756

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hashbang:

kahuna_: it fixes the interlace bug, and both XvMC and GL vsync work better than 8178/8183

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hashbang:

XvMC still isn't perfect, though.

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oZrine:

stuarta,port7,deathwish: thanks!

[16:00:30]

oZrine:

have got .19 up and running

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stuarta:

np

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promacuser:

does anybody know where to get an IR remote and receiver for a PVR250 without the card?

[16:00:57]

promacuser:

i mean, i already have the card

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port7:

promacuser: ebay?

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promacuser:

i can't find just the remote

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promacuser:

what is the name of the remote?

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rifter374:

anybody know if it's okay to just delete the mysql.log in /var/logs/mysql

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rifter374:

it's almost 190MB and growing

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rifter374:

anybody here?

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promacuser:

rifter374: probably better to pin down *why* it's 190MB

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promacuser:

what does it say?

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rifter374:

I looked at the tail and it was just generic stuff like querying the db for show times

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rifter374:

and stuff like that

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promacuser:

maybe if there is a way to turn off logging.

[16:19:50]

promacuser:

let me look

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rifter374:

I've only got 40MB left on my os partition and I don't want it to run out

[16:19:54]

rifter374:

okay thanks

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kahuna_:

40mb? time to buy a new disk

[16:20:27]

kahuna_:

Anytime you get less than 10% it's a good rule of thumb that you should add more space.

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rifter374:

haha well knoppmyth partitioned it that way

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rifter374:

I have 200GB for tv and other stuff

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promacuser:

haha another knoppmyth user!

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rifter374:

and only 2.5gb for the os and user files

[16:20:56]

promacuser:

finally!

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rifter374:

why?

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rifter374:

r5b7 works great

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promacuser:

nobody else here seems to use it

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rifter374:

o haha

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rifter374:

I really like it

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promacuser:

so they can never answer my questions

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promacuser:

i like it too, when i get it working

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rifter374:

yea

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promacuser:

i tried to upgrade to r5b7, but i'm having trouble

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rifter374:

r5b7 ironed out a lot of the problems I've been having

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rifter374:

how so?

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promacuser:

i can't get it to find the mysql database

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promacuser:

i'm trying a fresh upgrade

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rifter374:

hmm is it running?

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promacuser:

hang on

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promacuser:

i'm still installing

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rifter374:

ok

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rifter374:

damn, I just deleted it and it didn't free up any space

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rifter374:

I swear that was on my main HD

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promacuser:

that should work, though

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promacuser:

is it on your hda1 partition?

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rifter374:

yea

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rifter374:

idk what's going on now

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rifter374:

down to 39MB

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promacuser:

are you sure it was deleted?

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rifter374:

yup

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promacuser:

and are you sure it was so big?

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rifter374:

completely

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promacuser:

well, are you familiar with my.cnf?

[16:30:19]

rifter374:

I saved a copy in my myth partition

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rifter374:

not really

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promacuser:

that's the config file for mysql

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promacuser:

and that's where you can turn off logging probably

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rifter374:

I'm looking through it now

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rifter374:

I'll check it out

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rifter374:

is there a command to find all files above a certain size on a partition?

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rifter374:

like a recursive ls or dir?

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promacuser:

maybe, but i'm not very good at finding things in linux

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rifter374:

k

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promacuser:

man ls

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rifter374:

I'll poke around

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promacuser:

maybe ls -R

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promacuser:

ls -RS will show you everything sorted by size

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rifter374:

yea

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rifter374:

but it fills up the screen to fast

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rifter374:

can't go back far enough

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promacuser:

;)

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promacuser:

did you upgrade to r5b7?

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rifter374:

yea

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rifter374:

on saturday

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rifter374:

and I've got everything back to how it was

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promacuser:

what did you set for the user name?

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rifter374:

for the mythtv or the other one?

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rifter374:

just my name

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promacuser:

for mythtv

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rifter374:

just mythtv

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rifter374:

password mythtv

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rifter374:

that's the standard one

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promacuser:

yeah

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promacuser:

weird

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rifter374:

what?

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promacuser:

well, now, all of the sudden, everything is working for e

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promacuser:

me

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promacuser:

after that reinstall

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promacuser:

except that my frontends can't find the backend except for the one running on the backend conputer

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rifter374:

hmm

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rifter374:

isn't that what you want?

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promacuser:

well, i'm running frontends on both of my macs, and i need them to find the database

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rifter374:

o so they can't see your backend comp?

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promacuser:

yese

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rifter374:

that's weird

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rifter374:

I've never set up a config with more than 1 comps

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rifter374:

my frontend is on my backedn

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rifter374:

backend*

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promacuser:

it's nice because you can watch tv on any mac running OSX

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coffee88:

promacuser: if you do a netstat -l does mysql show up?

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promacuser:

no. what does that mean?

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promacuser:

oh wait

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promacuser:

maybe it is

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promacuser:

unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 13824 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you probably just need to comment out "skip-networking" in the mysql config file

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promacuser:

my.cnf?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sounds right

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rifter374:

o man, that happened to me

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rifter374:

completely forgot about that

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rifter374:

but that was on the same computer

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rifter374:

commenting it out fixed it right away though

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it shouldn't be needed to uncomment it if all apps are running on the same host..they should just connect through the unix socket

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RaYmAn-Bx:

uncomment=comment

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coffee88:

he has remote fe's...

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promacuser:

what do you mean by "same host"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

same computer

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promacuser:

same computer

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promacuser:

yeah

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promacuser:

i'm trying to run remote frontends

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RaYmAn-Bx:

coffee88: yeah, that comment was directed at rifter374

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promacuser:

oh, gotcha

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** coffee88 should stop assuming the whole he/she/it thing... **

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Dibblah_:

Woo hoo! http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=664858

[16:49:24]

Dibblah_:

"FYI, nVidia just released updated Linux drivers. These fix the XvMC bug in 6150 chips so CPU shouldn't be pegged when displaying video any more"

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Dibblah_:

8756

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Merlin83b:

Well done nVidia.

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rifter374:

does anyone know if it'd be ok to delete all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives

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rifter374:

most of the things I've since uninstalled

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Dibblah_:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8756.html

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Dibblah_:

Well done?!?!? It's been broken for almost since that card was released.

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rifter374:

I just wish I could get component out working with xwindows on my 6200

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rifter374:

it hates my modelines or something

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Merlin83b:

Well done for finally fixing it. I was going to make a comment about "bit quicker next time, if you don't mind" but they could just have left it broken.

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Dibblah_:

Mmmm... Compositing works too.

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promacuser:

rifter374: did you get that mysql logging deactivated?

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rifter374:

yea

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promacuser:

where was it?

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rifter374:

so now it shouldn't log anything at all

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rifter374:

in the my.cnf

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rifter374:

I've cleared up some other files

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rifter374:

so I've got some more space

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rifter374:

emacs takes a ton of room

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promacuser:

do you get the login error when the space on the hda1 is full?

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rifter374:

yea

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promacuser:

yeah, i hate that

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rifter374:

happens everyonce in a while when a log goes out of control

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Dibblah_:

Compile emacs with the '--without-kitchen-sink' option.

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rifter374:

will that still have the gui?

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rifter374:

because I edit a lot of files with that over ssh with a tunneled X

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promacuser:

rifter374: what did you comment in my.cnf?

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Dibblah_:

Sorry – I wasn't being serious.

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Dibblah_:

There's only one way to slim down emacs ;)

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rifter374:

haha I thought it was some crappy inside linux programmer joke

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rifter374:

I've seen some pretty weird stuff

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Dibblah_:

Learn Wordstar commands and use Joe...

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Dibblah_:

^Kb ^Ke ^Kc... Nothing more natural.

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rifter374:

haha I finally had emacs down though

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rifter374:

promacuser: I just commented out where the log was sent to in the first place

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rifter374:

there wasn't a log/don't log switch though

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promacuser:

new question: can myth's DVD player play commercial DVDs yet?

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promacuser:

will it ever?

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TheFloyd:

yes

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TheFloyd:

it does

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promacuser:

really?

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rifter374:

yup

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rifter374:

the internal one currently does just the movie

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rifter374:

no menu

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rifter374:

but xine can do both

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rifter374:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=XineDVDHowTo

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rifter374:

pretty good tutorial if you want to have menus

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promacuser:

neat

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rifter374:

otherwise r5b7's internal one is good I hear

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promacuser:

last i heard, it didn't have the capacity to decrypt commerical DVDs

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TheFloyd:

:shrug: i'm new to myth as of 0.19

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rifter374:

you have to have the libdvdcss I think it's called

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TheFloyd:

it just worked.

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TheFloyd:

yeah, i fetched libdvdcss, libdvdread, etc

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TheFloyd:

before building myth

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TheFloyd:

my mythtv-build directory is huge, with all the 3rd party crap required ;)

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rifter374:

haha

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TheFloyd:

i do things the hard way and run myth on slackware

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promacuser:

rifter: did you have to install it?

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arep:

Anyone: compile of nuvtools fails with "reencode.c:63:18: lame.h: No such file or directory", what is wrong?

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promacuser:

looks like the DVD player locked up

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TheFloyd:

arep- do you lave LAME built and installed?

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arep:

TheFloyd: yes

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TheFloyd:

try a find /usr -name lame.h -print

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arep:

TheFloyd: the file is actually in /usr/include/lame/lame.h ...

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TheFloyd:

make sure it's there?

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TheFloyd:

hmmm ok

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TheFloyd:

you could always edit reencode.h

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TheFloyd:

find the include <lame.h> or whatever line

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TheFloyd:

and replace it with

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TheFloyd:

#include "/usr/include/lame/lame.h"

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TheFloyd:

though that's hackish :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser, The Floyd – Last I heard, it would play most commercial dvd's. I had heard that StarWars didn't work, presumably because of tougher encryption, but I haven't tested it myself...

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promacuser:

haha

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TheFloyd:

yeah, dvd playback just worked for me

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promacuser:

of course the first thing i try to test it with is Episode IV

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TheFloyd:

didn't bother too much with it because i have a pretty nice dvd player

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promacuser:

i use my playstation

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TheFloyd:

popped a disc in, saw it worked, and said yay.. that was about the end of it :)

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promacuser:

but what i really want to do is host my dvds on some networked volume

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TheFloyd:

promacuser- I believe you want to import them

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promacuser:

and just run them from there through mythvideo

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promacuser:

eventually

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promacuser:

but i need to buy the external server first ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: If Myth won't play them, you could probably extract them with 'dvdshrink' on a M$ box...

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promacuser:

or handbrake on a mac, probably

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promacuser:

uh oh

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TheFloyd:

handbrake rux

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: Yeah, I'm not very familiar with the mac s/w... dvdshrink extracts an un-encrypts the dvd, and optionally transcodes it.

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promacuser:

every DVD i try to play just hangs the machine. any idea on what might be wrong?

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TheFloyd:

i use handbrake and mactheripper on my boxes

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TheFloyd:

promacuser- stop trying ;)

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promacuser:

of course

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TheFloyd:

problem solved then? ;^)

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promacuser:

i'm going to try hosting them on my desktop right now.

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promacuser:

is there a way to force mythDVD to quit?

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promacuser:

maybe my forcing the frontend to quit?

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promacuser:

killing i mean

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promacuser:

also, can you point mythmovie to a SMB directory?

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: For dvd hanging: You do have the 'Monitor cd/dvd drive' option enabled, right?

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promacuser:

hm, maybe not?

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: I've had to kill the frontend on occasion... It does 'clean up' after itself from what I've seen. Kina a brut-force approach imho, but didnt' seem like I could do anything else...

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promacuser:

well, otherwise, i just reboot

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promacuser:

which is ok, too

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: smb dir — I don't see any reason not to be able to point it to an SMB share – I don't think it knows (or cares) whether it's local or not.

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promacuser:

do you point it directly from within the settings?

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promacuser:

you know, i do have monitor DVD/CD on, but i think it might be pointing to the wrong device

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promacuser:

i can't remember how i fixed that before

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promacuser:

is there a way to find out which device is the DVD drive?

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promacuser:

hda, hdb, hdc or whatnot?

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rifter374:

in knoppmyth I believe it's /dev/dvd

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promacuser:

yes, but that has to point to the right device

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kormoc:

promacuser, dmesg | grep -i dvd

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rifter374:

well I think it'd be hdc then

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rifter374:

yup for me hd

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rifter374:

hdc*

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kormoc:

rifter374, it all depends on the order they are on the ide controler

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promacuser:

yeah

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promacuser:

mine says hdb

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promacuser:

which is what it was

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rifter374:

yea I see

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rifter374:

hda is my 80 gig

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rifter374:

and hdb is my 160 gig

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rifter374:

so next in line is the dvd drive

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promacuser:

that's because you have 2 drives

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rifter374:

yea

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promacuser:

and i only have 1

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promacuser:

but i just wanted to make sure that's where it really was

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rifter374:

yea

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Zider:

what version of qt should I have; is 3.3.4 sufficient or should I go with 4.1.2?

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promacuser:

hmm. well, it's playing non-commercial DVD's just fine

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TheFloyd:

i believe you need version 3, zider

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promacuser:

but not star wars or star trek

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kormoc:

Zider, myth doesn't support qt 4 at the moment

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Zider:

ah, thus the compile errors.. :P

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Zider:

I had both versions of qt it seems

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kormoc:

yeah, just point it to the 3.x on the ./configure line

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Zider:

kormoc: 3.x is not compiled with opengl suport, 4.x was.. :P

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Zider:

yay, yet ANOTHER qt recompile

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Zider:

number 6 I think

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: I stepped away for a few — so do you have any other commercial dvd's to try?

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promacuser:

of course. i'm working on it

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: I think mine played "cheaper by the dozen" and a few others that I've tried...

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promacuser:

hmm, well, nothing so far

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: You do have the css decrypter installed, right?

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promacuser:

probably not

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promacuser:

how do i look for that?

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kormoc:

libdvdread is the lib you need

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promacuser:

yeah, where do i look to see if it's installed?

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rifter374:

also libdvdcss

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kahuna_:

sometimes I just want to hump mythtv

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promacuser:

so, how do i find these libs, guys?

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kahuna_:

promacuser: What dist?

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promacuser:

libdvdread

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promacuser:

and libdvdcss

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kahuna_:

but what distro? :)

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promacuser:

knoppmyth

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kahuna_:

Did you try searching their forums at all?

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promacuser:

yeah, it's not very good

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J-e-f-f-A:

promacuser: Yeah, I was looking... I may not have them installed on my backend as I can't seem to find anything but a rpm for them at the moment. It's working on my frontend though (which I don't have access to from here...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(I'm connected remotely from work right now)

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promacuser:

actually, there's a script that installs it, apparently

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xris:

Beirdo: I really wish that avi did anamorphic....

[18:02:56]

promacuser:

hmm, that seems to have fixed it

[18:06:30]

Zider:

does anyone know how well Via's C3 CPU copes with recording from tv to xvid avi?

[18:07:05]

xris:

Zider: not exactly a mythtv question

[18:07:22]

Zider:

xris: using mythtv to record ofcourse

[18:07:35]

Zider:

like a mediacenterpc with c3 cpu and mythtv

[18:07:55]

xris:

mythtv doesn't record avi

[18:08:03]

Zider:

oh?

[18:08:10]

Zider:

what format does it record to?

[18:08:16]

GreyFoxx:

depends on your capture card

[18:08:30]

xris:

software encoder does mpeg4 (divx, I think) video and mp3 audio into a nupplevideo container...

[18:08:31]

GreyFoxx:

Either mpeg2, or rtjpeg/mpeg4 in a NUV container

[18:08:42]

xris:

most people these days use a hardware encoder card like a pvr-150, though

[18:09:23]

Zider:

I can't really afford an encoder card tho.. but I still wanna build a really tiny system for recording from tv..

[18:09:43]

xris:

Zider: "can't really afford"... pvr-150 isn't any more expensive than a software encoder card.

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xris:

but the c3 should be able to do rtjpeg well enough.

[18:10:25]

Zider:

xris: oh? I thought they were quite expensive

[18:10:46]

kormoc:

Zider, around $60 or so

[18:10:47]

xris:

Zider: $60 or so

[18:11:22]

Filip:

anyone here have experience with ATI fglrx drivers?

[18:11:24]

Zider:

oh.. I thought it was more like $200

[18:11:44]

Filip:

I'm pretty close to suicide or massacre now

[18:12:02]

xris:

Zider: no. pvr-350 is the most expensive (for its tv-out functionality) and it's only $150 or so (I think). pvr-500 is $130 and it's dual-tuner.

[18:12:43]

Zider:

xris: those are full-height pci cards I suppose?

[18:13:15]

Filip:

full-height and then some, IIRC

[18:13:21]

Zider:

heh

[18:13:33]

Filip:

at least the 350 and 500

[18:13:45]

Filip:

you have a barebone to fit everything in?

[18:13:50]

xris:

Zider: there's a low pro version of the 150 for $70 or so

[18:14:22]

Zider:

I don't have anything at the moment, but I was thinking about squeezing it into an old DVD player case, with a 90 degree PCI slot "bender"

[18:14:36]

xris:

Zider: "riser"

[18:14:37]

Filip:

right, that's going to be fun

[18:14:38]

Zider:

on a via c3 mobo

[18:14:42]

Zider:

xris: riser, yes

[18:14:54]

xris:

you may have heat issues in a dvd player case

[18:14:57]

Zider:

Filip: well, I've been doing case-"mods" before..

[18:15:09]

Filip:

are risers produced where the PCI cards go outward compared to the mobo?

[18:15:22]

xris:

outward?

[18:15:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

I have 'standard' versionsof all cards — they're all the height of the slot bracket, and the 500's a little longer (to fit the 2nd tuner on)

[18:15:35]

Filip:

Zider: my remark may have sounded cynical, but I really meant that sounded like a lot of fun to build

[18:15:46]

Zider:

Filip: oh. :D

[18:16:04]

Filip:

Zider: as I re-read what I wrote I had a feeling it could be misinterpreted

[18:16:10]

Zider:

;)

[18:16:41]

Filip:

but maybe you want the PCI card to point away from the mobo so it doesn't get near the cpu for cooling and just generally to make it fit

[18:17:01]

Filip:

and in a dvd-case you have the area, but ot the volume

[18:17:05]

Zider:

well, I'm gonna install it on this old P4 first, to see how mythtv behaves.. then we'll see what kind of system I'll dedicate to it.. ;)

[18:17:10]

xris:

Filip: riser usually bends the card so that it sits above the other pci slots (away from the cpu)

[18:17:39]

Filip:

xris: you mean you stick it in the first PCI slot (nearest the CPU) and then your cards are above your (now unused) slots?

[18:17:44]

xris:

yes

[18:17:53]

Zider:

I was kinda hoping on xvid encoding from tv tho.. oh well, you can't get everything ;)

[18:18:01]

promacuser:

how do i point myth to a remote volume running SMB?

[18:18:02]

xris:

Zider: nuvexport

[18:18:14]

xris:

usually used to fit one full-height pci card into a very short case like a 1u rackmount.

[18:18:17]

Filip:

okay, my best reference is the asus pundit I hjave here, and it has a riser poitning the other way (much like some older dell systems)

[18:18:25]

Zider:

xris: is that a mythtv plugin..?

[18:18:30]

xris:

promacuser: mount it, myth doesn't care.

[18:18:36]

xris:

Zider: external script

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kormoc:

Filip, get your fglrx things working?

[18:18:43]

xris:

google and you'll hit the web page for it.

[18:18:52]

promacuser:

xris: but how do i mount it, i guess? mount?

[18:19:01]

xris:

promacuser: mount, autofs, take your pick

[18:19:13]

xris:

fstab...

[18:19:22]

Zider:

xris: so it's not used from the mythtv interface? (that's the only access to the box I'll have)

[18:19:30]

xris:

Zider: shell

[18:19:35]

Zider:

ah, darn

[18:19:35]

promacuser:

xris: and if i wanted to use it every time my mythbox rebooted, would i need to write a script to mount it every time?

[18:19:53]

xris:

Zider: if you're not exporting the files, what does it matter what format they're in?

[18:20:10]

xris:

promacuser: look up autofs/automount... or put an entry in your fstab

[18:20:41]

Zider:

xris: samba share of the recorded files onto the network

[18:20:59]

xris:

Zider: so you DO have access to the box

[18:21:08]

Zider:

fileaccess, not command line access

[18:21:12]

xris:

no ssh?

[18:21:14]

Zider:

nope

[18:21:20]

xris:

why not?

[18:22:08]

Filip:

kormoc: No. Well half. The top half to be exact

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Zider:

well, there's nothing that should be done inside the system (except this now tho)..

[18:22:23]

kormoc:

Filip, what's the issue?

[18:22:41]

xris:

Zider: software updates, etc...

[18:23:26]

Zider:

xris: if and when that's needed I can always connect a kbd and monitor and do it that way..

[18:23:32]

Zider:

or crontab it

[18:23:45]

Filip:

Normal X runs fine on a monitor (with vesa, ati, radeon, and fglrx), X on TV works with fglrx only. Compiled in the kernel, MythTV crashes on playback. Compiled as modules, MythTV displays only the upper half when I want to watch a recording

[18:24:12]

Filip:

fiddling with the GUI/Playback resolutions now, but it didn't work before. It seems to be a driver issue or misconfiguration on my part

[18:24:13]

kormoc:

Zider, ssh is a godsend, being able to just ssh in and treat it as local, so much easier, and so secure. Is there any specific reasons you want to make it harder?

[18:24:32]

Zider:

kormoc: it's just the way I like it..

[18:24:41]

kormoc:

Filip, fglrx is only a module, you can't compile it in.

[18:24:52]

Filip:

kormoc: No, I meant agpgart there

[18:24:56]

kormoc:

Filip, ooh, gotcha

[18:25:01]

kormoc:

Filip, what version of the driver?

[18:25:21]

xris:

Zider: well, it'll have a monitor attached.. your tv.

[18:25:30]

Zider:

anyways, nothing is definite yet of course.. it would just be nice to encode directly do xvid and have it shared directly..

[18:25:39]

Filip:

latest: 8.23.7

[18:25:41]

Zider:

xris: ah, good point.. just hook up a kbd then :D

[18:25:51]

Filip:

also the latest according to ati's site

[18:25:54]

xris:

Zider: doesn't work that way. easiest thing to do is to get a hardware encoder card, then you just have mpeg files.

[18:26:07]

kormoc:

Filip, downgrade to...

[18:26:09]

** kormoc checks **

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xris:

the other thing you could do is hook up a remote frontend/backend and run nuvexport on that box

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Zider:

xris: don't have the diskspace for mpeg files tho..

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GreyFoxx:

You can set it up to transcode them after the recording is finished I believe

[18:27:50]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: it's not encoded until afterwards?

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kormoc:

Filip, try 8.19.10, I beleive them to be the most stable tv out ones in the near past

[18:28:03]

Filip:

kormoc: do I have to pull the hexedit trick on those drivers?

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promacuser:

ok, now i'm getting a message that i can't connect to the samba share

[18:28:14]

kormoc:

Filip, what hexedit trick?

[18:28:16]

promacuser:

5597: Connection to samba failed

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promacuser:

SMB connection failed

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: No, it's "encoded" live

[18:28:35]

mchou:

wow, nvidia must have some good shit. DualTV (http://www.nvidia.com/page/dualtv_product_specs.html) is Image Science Foundation certified......

[18:28:36]

GreyFoxx:

but if you want to convert from an mpeg2 recording to an mpeg4 you can configure the system to do thatr automnatically

[18:28:39]

Filip:

In the (very) old drivers, you had to hexedit the binary to get TVout working

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kormoc:

Zider, btw, just for your info, xvid is a type of mpeg :)

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: aha

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kormoc:

Filip, ahh, nah, it's just ati never tests drivers before putting them out

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mchou:

wonder if nvidia will provide linux drivers for DualTV

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Filip:

kormoc: ATI is making me very sad

[18:29:24]

Zider:

kormoc: hm, true.. I meant mpeg2 which I guess I assumed it was saved as :P

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kormoc:

Zider, mpeg2 isn't that large to be honest, you can have it record at 300 megs a hour and it will still look better then a software tuner card going right to xvid at the same space

[18:31:02]

kormoc:

Filip, yeah, ati makes me quite sad quite often as well

[18:31:24]

promacuser:

nevermind, i got it

[18:31:27]

xris:

Filip: ati and linux don't get along very well

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Filip:

kormoc: those drivers are 63M, so it'll be a while before I tell you whether it worked or not. Thanks for now

[18:31:44]

Zider:

kormoc: really? hmz.. :)

[18:32:20]

Filip:

I knew about the ati problem when I got this computer, but the Pundit-R case is very attractive. If this nonsense keeps occuring, I'm buying a fanless nvidia PCI MX4 card

[18:32:34]

mchou:

Filip: haha!!

[18:32:45]

kormoc:

Filip, no agp slot?

[18:32:47]

mchou:

Filip: buy one anyway

[18:33:07]

Zider:

I'm staying away from ati too if I can

[18:33:08]

Filip:

kormoc: nope, it's a barebone with built-in video including TV-out

[18:33:14]

xris:

kormoc: not in the pundit

[18:33:20]

mchou:

$30 is well worth the savings in headaches incurred w/ ATI & linux

[18:33:24]

xris:

Filip: yeah, I'm glad I got one of the original pundits

[18:33:28]

kormoc:

ahh, that's too bad

[18:33:28]

Filip:

make that 60 euros

[18:33:43]

Filip:

xris: that's SiS, right?

[18:33:46]

xris:

yeah

[18:34:08]

Filip:

The case is really the prettiest I've ever seen, possibly including silverstone

[18:34:12]

xris:

kormoc: it's pretty much exactly like my mythbox, but with ati graphics and small differences in case look

[18:34:16]

Filip:

BUT WHY ATI?

[18:34:27]

xris:

Filip: yeah, it sucks.

[18:35:32]

mchou:

hell, the mac mini has a better looking case :)

[18:35:57]

Filip:

mchou: Oh come on! It looks like a huge ipod!

[18:36:22]

mchou:

Filip: and there's something wrong w/ that??

[18:36:31]

Filip:

erm... yes

[18:36:45]

Filip:

not really sure what though.

[18:36:45]

xris:

Filip: mchou is just being contrary, you learn to live with it. :)

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Zider:

apple has horrible designs imo

[18:37:08]

Filip:

How's mythfrontend on the mini?

[18:37:11]

oZrine:

hi again

[18:37:29]

mchou:

xris: au contraire, I'm not a contrarian :)

[18:37:48]

mchou:

Zider: huh??

[18:38:08]

mchou:

Zider: Apple has horrible design compared to what??

[18:38:20]

Zider:

mchou: compared to anything but windows xp ;)

[18:38:20]

oZrine:

can someone help me with getting my EPG to match my available channels?

[18:38:23]

Filip:

Apple has horrible design compared to aston martin

[18:38:43]

Filip:

I do realise it's not a fair comparison, one being a car and the other a computer

[18:39:01]

mchou:

Aston Martin belong to the Chinese now

[18:39:06]

Zider:

I like black and silver, apple likes mental hospital white :P

[18:39:07]

mchou:

the company

[18:39:19]

kormoc:

I like apple's back stuff

[18:39:29]

mchou:

007 driving a Chinese car :)

[18:39:33]

kormoc:

black ipod looks sweet imho

[18:39:51]

xris:

I do agree that the white is a bit sterile... but other than color choice, their designs are good.

[18:40:43]

mchou:

I'm still flabbergasted that nvidia DualTV has ISF certification

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mchou:

too bad they didnt include a MPEG-4 encoder on it

[18:41:20]

Filip:

mchou: what does that sentence mean?

[18:41:33]

mchou:

what sentence?

[18:41:36]

Zider:

mchou: flabberwhat?

[18:41:41]

Filip:

<mchou> I'm still flabbergasted that nvidia DualTV has ISF certification

[18:42:02]

mchou:

Filip: google is your friend

[18:42:15]

mchou:

Imaging Science Foundation

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kormoc:

Filip, Zider, google define: flabbergasted

[18:42:27]

Filip:

no, that part was clear, thank you

[18:43:01]

Filip:

i see a page for an nvidia twin tuner card, but I'm not sure why that's flabbergastling

[18:43:04]

mchou:

I'm tried of the crappy image quality with hauppauge pvr-x50

[18:43:07]

Zider:

hum, wth.. atitvout won't activate the video-out on my card.. it just flickers for 1/10 seconds or so, and then stays off..

[18:43:43]

mchou:

Filip: the amazing part is the ISF certification, not the dual tuners

[18:43:48]

xris:

mchou: firewire. :)

[18:43:59]

kormoc:

Filip, he finds it odd that the Imaging Science Foundation certified it as good for home users, when that's all they do is certify things for different levels

[18:44:23]

Filip:

okay. so is the tuner bad?

[18:44:40]

kormoc:

not at all, most people who have reviewed it seem to think it's rather nice

[18:45:13]

kormoc:

but linux drivers are nonexistant right now iirc

[18:45:30]

mchou:

nvidia better have linux drivers for DualTV

[18:45:50]

mchou:

cause I'd switch out the crappy pvr-x50s

[18:47:36]

Filip:

kormoc: ATI drivers keep complaining DRM module isn't built, while it is. Troubleshooting it right now

[18:47:41]

mchou:

xris: speaking of which, what rez did the comcast STB put out over firewire?

[18:48:00]

kormoc:

Filip, that's an X driver thing, if you don't know already

[18:48:20]

xris:

SD stuff is 528x480

[18:48:35]

Filip:

kormoc: I thought it meant the kernel DRM module

[18:48:36]

xris:

HD stuff is, well, HD

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mchou:

xris: how about HD?

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mchou:

so you get 1080i?

[18:49:00]

xris:

yeah

[18:49:04]

mchou:

over firewire?

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kormoc:

Filip, I don't beleive so, DRM in the kernel usually is for opensource drivers (radion, nv, etc)

[18:49:05]

xris:

on channels that support it.

[18:49:11]

xris:

yeah, even hbo, etc.

[18:49:53]

mchou:

xris: so this stuff is not DRMed?

[18:50:33]

kormoc:

Filip, I just have CONFIG_DRM enabled in the kernel, but no DRM drivers selected.

[18:50:47]

mchou:

xris: meaning the firewire output.....

[18:50:51]

Filip:

kormoc: as a module?

[18:50:58]

xris:

mchou: some channels just don't come in... like vh1

[18:51:00]

Filip:

kormoc: or built-in?

[18:51:10]

kormoc:

Filip, built-in, but I beleive that's from when I was playing with the radeon driver

[18:51:44]

xris:

mchou: but most stuff shows up just fine.

[18:51:45]

Filip:

Then I'm going to try that as well, cause there's no DRM useflag for Xorg, and I have now Idea how to get a Xorg DRM module otherwise

[18:51:45]

kormoc:

Filip, I'm 99% certain that fglrx doesn't use the kernel interface at all

[18:51:54]

mchou:

xris: interesting

[18:51:57]

Filip:

kormoc: hmm, there goes my plan

[18:51:58]

kormoc:

Filip, there is indeed, gentoo?

[18:52:04]

Filip:

kormoc: yes

[18:52:11]

Filip:

modular X I believe

[18:52:13]

mchou:

xris: how much you paying for comcast/mo. ?

[18:52:13]

kormoc:

xorg 7.0?

[18:52:29]

mchou:

xris: and what are you getting?

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kormoc:

Filip, did you set the VIDEO_CARDS in /etc/make.conf to ="ati" ?

[18:52:49]

Filip:

kormoc: 7.0-r1

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Filip:

VIDEO_CARDS="ati fglrx vesa vga radeon v4l"

[18:53:34]

Filip:

that's despair... if you didn't recognize it

[18:54:09]

xris:

mchou: they gave me a competitive switch from dish.. $35/month and free hbo for a year. after the hd upgrade, a second digital box and tax, it comes out to just over $53/month

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kormoc:

Filip, x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati-6.5.7.3 USE="dri -debug"

[18:54:39]

mchou:

xris: hmm, not too shabby

[18:55:01]

mchou:

xris: you get a discount for inet too from comcast? :)

[18:55:23]

xris:

we'll see. getting a comcast business line installed this week. probably not, though, they're separate departments.

[18:55:24]

Filip:

kormoc: do you know the difference between that one and ati-drivers?

[18:55:40]

Filip:

kormoc: already have that one emerged

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kormoc:

Filip, that's the opensource one iirc, but it also builds the drm interface that fglrx uses

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kormoc:

odd

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xris:

afk

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kormoc:

Filip, you could gry a little older driver

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Filip:

kormoc: It will be my next step, There's an older driver in at x86 I will use

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Filip:

kormoc: 8.218.8-r2

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Filip:

kormoc: 8.18.8-r2

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kormoc:

yeah, with ati, remember, once it works, lock that version down :P

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mchou:

screw ati. I'm surprised their drivers work at all

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mchou:

buggy POS

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mchou:

whoever runs their SW dept over there ought to be fired

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mchou:

or get some real funding

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Filip:

kormoc: actually, judging by the output, ati-drivers should build the DRM module, it just fails. So a more stable ebuild may just do the trick

[18:59:27]

Filip:

mchou: I'm thinking of stabbing the onboard ati chip with my soldering iron, but I'm afraid I might damage vital parts

[19:00:03]

mchou:

Filip: I think you'd be better off getting rid of that pundit, seriously

[19:00:15]

Filip:

mchou: I will not hear anything about that

[19:00:22]

mchou:

get a low end a64 machine.....

[19:00:25]

Filip:

I can always put an nvidia in

[19:00:29]

mchou:

nice and quiet

[19:01:20]

mchou:

I have my a64 in an old dell box and I can hear the HDD seeks

[19:01:47]

mchou:

cant be beat in terms of quiet

[19:02:35]

mchou:

that's the only down side to using a journaling FS

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Filip:

Google: "ati sucks" ~10000 hits; "nvidia sucks" ~700 hits

[19:02:44]

mchou:

hearing the HDD :)

[19:02:48]

Filip:

Therefore, it's true

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Filip:

the pundit is quiet enough for me. It won't be on 24/7

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Filip:

it boots fast ~1 min

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Filip:

So I turn it on when I need it

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mchou:

it boots cold to X in 60 secs?

[19:04:20]

Filip:

roughly, yes

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Filip:

very lean kernel and initng

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mchou:

screw that

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mchou:

my netboot is faster

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Filip:

That would be step 2, I guess

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Filip:

for now, I was pretty happy with a minute

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Filip:

kormoc: older driver, same problem... must be a config issue

[19:06:22]

kormoc:

huh, yeah, pastebin your config?

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promacuser:

hey guys, i'm having a little bit of trouble watching live TV

[19:08:52]

promacuser:

is there a good place to start looking at logs?

[19:09:09]

Filip:

kormoc: Actually, the newest driver does build, so it's more likely a problem with the older ebuilds on my ~x86 system

[19:09:21]

kormoc:

ahh, yeah, could be then

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promacuser:

i'm getting "could not open /dev/video0 to probe its inputs" again

[19:10:02]

promacuser:

running a PVR250

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Filip:

doesn't help, of course. Anyway, I'm done fiddling for now. Thanks for the help.

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promacuser:

anyone have any experience with this problem?

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promacuser:

or any idea what i can do? it was working half an hour ago

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speedsix:

Hi, I'm having major problems getting my dvb-t card to tune in 0.19. 0.18 worked perfectly. It won't tune atall, won't get lock

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Juski:

welcome to 0.19 issues. you need to use 0.19-fixes or svn

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speedsix:

tried the latest svn, no joy.

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Juski:

that said, I upgraded my 0.18.1 install to 0.19 & I've not had any issues at all

[19:35:08]

Juski:

do you mean tuning or scanning?

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speedsix:

Scanning I suppose. I can import a channels.conf which works perfectly in Xine but won't work in Myth

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Juski:

why would you need to scan your channels again?

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Juski:

did you back up your DB before upgrading?

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speedsix:

I mean it won't find any channels when I do a scan and if I import the channels.conf or restore a backup of my channels table it won't get a lock when I view live tv

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speedsix:

this is on a clean install

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

well, importing a channels.conf from dvbscan should work okay

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speedsix:

There is a big thread on the users list mentioning issues with my card, Hauppauge Nova T but I can't seem to find anything that works

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Juski:

ah the old usleep after tuning problem

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speedsix:

That's the one ;)

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Juski:

blame the driver developers for that chestnut

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Juski:

it'll get fixed eventually

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Juski:

but the way they see it is that it 'works' now so there's no rush

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speedsix:

I couldn't suss out if it was a driver issue or a problem with the way myth tunes?

[19:39:38]

Juski:

it's a driver issue

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speedsix:

I see

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Juski:

to do with the DVB API

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promacuser:

does anybody know how to go about making themes for myth?

[19:40:09]

speedsix:

is it worth installing the latest dvb stuff. Currently got the stock Ubuntu drivers?

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meushi:

there's also a nice one with Nova-SE2 on via chipsets... the frontend lies

[19:40:28]

Juski:

my cards are based on the same chips as the nova-t, but like I said I've not seen any issues here

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RaYmAn-Bx:

promacuser: not a thing, but why not just have a look at the existing themes? It's probably mostly plaintext/xml or similar

[19:40:49]

Juski:

promacuser: I've done a couple of themes. it's pretty easy. fiddly but easy

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Juski:

look on the wiki for guidance on making themes – and delve into the xml files to work out how it's all done

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promacuser:

i downloaded a few, but they're rpm files that my mac can't read

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promacuser:

i'll check the wiki

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Juski:

try ProjectGrayhem ;-)

[19:41:55]

Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem

[19:42:09]

Juski:

and if you're gonna make a new theme, make it w i d e !

[19:42:17]

Juski:

we need more wide themes

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Beirdo:

AND make a not-wide version too

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Beirdo:

:)

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xris:

promacuser: should be tarballs listed on the wiki

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Juski:

don't listen.. wide all the way

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Juski:

:-P

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Beirdo:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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xris:

Juski: some of us don't have wide screen tv's.

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

:P

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Beirdo:

most of us don't

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Juski:

also – make one that isn't a shade of blue ffs

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promacuser:

ha, well, my tv isn't wide, so it's probably going to be wide

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Beirdo:

yeah, make it florescent pink

[19:43:08]

meushi:

promacuser: wide and dark, please :)

[19:43:22]

Juski:

there are already 2 dark wide themes

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meushi:

so? ;)

[19:43:32]

** Beirdo cues Weird Al – Asshole Son **

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xris:

Juski: I'd never actually checked out the screenshots.. that looks really nice.

[19:43:43]

Juski:

cheers xris :-)

[19:43:51]

Beirdo:

at least it is accredited to him, don't think it IS him though

[19:43:59]

Juski:

I'd do a theme for mythweb if I knew a stitch of css

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Beirdo:

Juski: easy to learn

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xris:

I want someone to update Midnight... and to figure out the licensing so it can be distributed with myth itself

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xris:

actually, a theme-downloader would be awesome

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Juski:

xris: they unleashed it onto the public, so they're fair game I'd have thought

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promacuser:

is there an easy way to check my screen resolution?

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Juski:

GPL & all that shennanigans

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Beirdo:

promacuser: xdpyinfo

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Juski:

xdpyinfo

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promacuser:

gotcha

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xris:

Juski: doesn't change the license just because they say it's free

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Juski:

ah

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xris:

Juski: make an OSD theme... :)

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Juski:

email the guys – sure they'll be accomodating

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xris:

Juski: no one left to email

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Juski:

eh? I spoke to the developers of that theme a while ago

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xris:

but yeah, I think it's just a matter of getting jams' theme.xml patch into svn

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xris:

oh?

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xris:

ll

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Juski:

or maybe it was just jams

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Juski:

either way it shouldn't be hard to track them down ;-)

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xris:

well, the themes are out there... just a matter of patching the xml definition for mythtv-setup so that midnight works

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Juski:

as far as they're concerned they already got paid for the work.. unless they were on some sort of royalty scheme

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Juski:

but I guess the question would be about whose IP the code is

[19:49:13]

oZrine:

quick question, how long do you guys wait for a channel change on myth?

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Juski:

oZrine: I don't watch livetv

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xris:

Juski: exactly

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Juski:

but when I tested it, it was like erm... 30 seconds on my dvb tuner & about 1 second on my pvr150

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oZrine:

how passe

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xris:

oh, and need to update Midnight non-wide for .19

[19:50:16]

Juski:

what? livetv is _so_ 20th century.. jees ;-)

[19:50:27]

oZrine:

well exactly

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oZrine:

I can't believe I even bother with TV at all

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Juski:

xris: I don't think I've even checked mythtv-setup in my theme

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oZrine:

(genuinely now that it takes 25 seconds to change channel....)

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xris:

heh

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Juski:

and erm... as for the patches the midnight theme needs – I suppose it'll just be the schedule change previews & stuff – pretty trivial

[19:51:24]

xris:

there's a bug in Midnight that makes it show all the same button instead of individual sections

[19:51:47]

Juski:

hum.

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xris:

I don't know anything about making themes... should really figure out a way to organize them all in one place

[19:52:09]

Juski:

it's horrible once you get into ui.xml

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** xris pokes jams **

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Juski:

that file is like 1300 lines long & the comments marking each section aren't exactly obvious sometimes

[19:53:08]

Juski:

I can see why it was done like that instead of seperate xml files for every menu page but gawd....

[19:53:37]

Juski:

and I dunno what's happening with the new UI code & how much that's going to shake things up either

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speedsix:

Do any of the devs have dvb cards, I've tried 2 with 0.19 and neither work?

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Juski:

speedsix: course they do!

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xris:

oh, looks like the setup.xml patch went into svn...

[19:54:54]

xris:

cool

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Juski:

I'll have to have a look at that

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Juski:

speedsix: you could try a CVS V4L DVB driver

[19:55:38]

Juski:

also check the v4l mailing list

[19:55:42]

speedsix:

yeah that might be an idea

[19:56:21]

Juski:

also drop by into #v4l but I'm not sure how much the DVB developers hang out there

[19:56:39]

speedsix:

noob question but how would I get the driver modules onto my system without causing problems with what's there already?

[19:57:01]

Juski:

$64,000 question

[19:57:09]

xris:

well, downloading Midnight... maybe you can help me fix it for .19

[19:57:16]

meushi:

speedsix: the v4l-dvb drivers replace the previous ones no problem

[19:57:17]

speedsix:

about Â£32,000?

[19:57:18]

Juski:

sure thing xris

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speedsix:

will do

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Juski:

bollocks the linuxtv.org website seems to be down

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speedsix:

doh

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meushi:

speedsix: if you want to be able to go back, backup /lib/modules/kernel-version

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speedsix:

sounds like a plan

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speedsix:

thanks

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meushi:

Juski: it works fine here

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Juski:

works here now too!

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speedsix:

yeah works ok

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speedsix:

I may stop by #v4l and make a nuisance of myself there ;)

[19:59:18]

meushi:

speedsix: #linuxtv :)

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Juski:

#linuxtv is newish

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meushi:

and zombieish most of the time, too

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Juski:

xris: could you post the ticket number of the theme.xml patch please?

[20:02:05]

xris:

http://jmeyer.us/index.php?option=com_docman& . . . mp;Itemid=26

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xris:

Juski: ^^^ updated file is there

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speedsix:

right, i'm in the #v4l room. I'm sure they will say it's a myth problem :(

[20:03:26]

Juski:

thanks xris – looks simple enough

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xris:

Juski: yeah.dunno why he didn't update the non-wide themes to .19 compat

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meushi:

speedsix: bingo :)

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Juski:

hrm... my theme has no setup.xml file at all :-/

[20:05:53]

speedsix:

"speedsix: probably mythtv problem." first reply

[20:06:40]

Juski:

the problem is actually that other apps work around the bug in the drivers

[20:06:59]

speedsix:

yeah that's what I figured

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Juski:

but I thought the usleep was put into the code at least provisionally

[20:07:23]

Juski:

maybe there were just patches made available to try it – more likely I think

[20:07:58]

speedsix:

I tried slapping the usleep in the code and recompiling. nada

[20:08:21]

speedsix:

not saying I put it in the correct place mind

[20:08:26]

Juski:

heh

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Juski:

anyway xris: isn't midnight a big monster theme that's gonna bloat the size of the theme package? ;-) (a lot like mine would if it were ever considered for inclusion)

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Juski:

oooo now I see how the setup.xml will work.. I've already got some snazzy watermarks for the setup buttons

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xris:

Juski: yeah, it's kind of large... I think a better solution would be to get a theme download plugin, and some kind of central repository

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SuperLag:

Would one of those VIA Mini-ITX systems be suitable for a MythTV box?

[20:14:15]

Juski:

you know all the rescaling do-hickey when you change appearance preferences? is that all gonna go away when it's all opengl?

[20:14:53]

Juski:

SuperLag: I'm a happy epia-m10000 user – frontend only but I know a couple of people who use em as f/e and b/e ;-)

[20:14:57]

speedsix:

they say mythtv uses a broken api

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Juski:

speedsix: typical. blame the other guy

[20:15:35]

Juski:

which API does mythtv use?

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liran_:

im runing my system on that exact model SuperLag

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speedsix:

"I mean V4L1 api (and the old VIDIO_*_OLD calls) that mythtv uses are depreciated."

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SuperLag:

Juski: how big a hard drive to you use on your box?

[20:16:52]

SuperLag:

s/to/do

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Juski:

I don't

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Juski:

diskless

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Juski:

backend has near 1TB storage though

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SuperLag:

O.O

[20:17:21]

SuperLag:

nice

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Juski:

frontend boots in around 50 seconds

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Juski:

not as fast as I'd like but once it's up it stays up – and I don't have to worry about powering it down properly AFAICT

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speedsix:

juski does it run entirely from the cd drive then??

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Criggie:

speedsix: "deprecated" not "depreciated"

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Criggie:

depreciation is an accounting function – deprecated means no-longer supported and will dissappear soon

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speedsix:

his words not mine ;)

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Criggie:

speedsix: sorry

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speedsix:

it's alright I would have spelled it like that anyway

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speedsix:

;)

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Juski:

speedsix: no it's diskless.. boots over the network via tftp

[20:22:48]

speedsix:

ah I see

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Juski:

has a dvd rom drive for playing the old fashioned DVD thingies

[20:23:19]

speedsix:

so is that something you setup in the bios to boot straight from the network?

[20:23:31]

Juski:

yeh – took about an hour to get it going

[20:23:42]

Juski:

loads of good tutorials about it

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Criggie:

PXE ? thats some good shit

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Juski:

I use minimyth as the frontend – ready-rolled frontend distro just for EPIA boards

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Juski:

now intel support is leeching into it though

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speedsix:

v4l guys said they can't help me, it's a myth problem.

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speedsix:

add to the fact the old pII machine i found at work to use as a backend refuses to power my pci nova card. It's not been a good week getting this myth box going.

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promacuser:

rrrrrrreddy for another stupid question from promacuser?

[20:27:58]

promacuser:

what the heck is transcoding actually?

[20:28:03]

speedsix:

Anyone ever had that issue? Motherboard not powering a pci card, i.e the led on the card doesn't come on?

[20:28:15]

Juski:

turning one file encoded with one format into another

[20:28:21]

speedsix:

converting to a compressed file format, ie to save space

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Juski:

not necessarily to save space.. some loons turn dvix into mpeg2 for dvd :-/

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promacuser:

so, when myth transcodes things, can they still be played? i mean, what's the downside?

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promacuser:

assuming i start with mpeg2 from my PVR250

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Juski:

well, for one thing the quality might drop noticably

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TheFloyd:

does the LED come on with just power, or do drivers need to load before the LED comes on?

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speedsix:

The led 'should' come on as soon as the board has power. For some reason in this old PII board it doesn't

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promacuser:

but myth still plays them fine? what kind of savings in space are we talking about here?

[20:32:16]

Zider:

wohoo, mythtv is installed :D

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Juski:

promacuser: yeh in theory – depends on your frontend & how much grunt it has

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jams:

xris ??

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promacuser:

hmm. what kind of grunt are we talking about?

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jams:

you wanted something?

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Juski:

jams: we were discussing the midnight theme :-)

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xris:

jams: you're the one hosting the lxm themes, right?

[20:34:13]

jams:

ah

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jams:

yes i am

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xris:

any reason why the non-wide themes didn't get updated for .19?

[20:34:49]

jams:

hehe not a good reason

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xris:

lol

[20:35:06]

jams:

just got tired of updating and took a break

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Juski:

aye updating themes is easy but arduous

[20:35:41]

jams:

it's one the list of things todo...

[20:35:46]

Juski:

load mythfrontend.. tweak xml, reload, rinse, lather, repeat...

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jams:

on the list

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promacuser:

ok, now the next question: is there a way to figure out why my transcodes are failing? like something in the logs i should be looking for?

[20:39:33]

promacuser:

maybe this one: 2006-04–10 15:26:28.189 Unknown video codec:

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Juski:

promacuser: did you install mythtv with transcode support by any chance?

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Ediehow:

anyone know how to fix it so http://localhost/mythweb connections aren't so slow?

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hashbang:

stuarta: thanks for the EIT help earlier; looks like it's all working now. :-)

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stuarta:

cool

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hashbang:

Juski: re. jitter, from the output of 'mythfrontend -v playback', I think my jitter problems might be caused by poor audio/video sync until the first time playback/livetv has been paused. IIRC, this is a known problem.

[20:47:29]

Juski:

ahhh

[20:47:45]

Juski:

stuarta: what's your take on the v4l peeps saying myth is using a deprecated API?

[20:48:21]

hashbang:

Juski: playback/livetv starts about 3 frames off, and it tries to get them in sync by delaying frames, etc.

[20:50:08]

Juski:

hashbang: my audio sort of 'wows' when I start playback in 0.19.. sounds well weird

[20:50:37]

hashbang:

Juski: are you using the warp audio/use video as timebase feature?

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Juski:

hashbang: I figure I must be

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hashbang:

Juski: I heard some high-pitched whining when I was playing with that this morning. I think the background noise on the broadcast was being stretched/compressed

[20:53:18]

Juski:

heh

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Juski:

never hear background noise on dvb recordings

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hashbang:

I don't have the greatest ear for pitch, but I am sensitive to wow/flutter/and pitch being off.

[20:54:13]

Juski:

me too

[20:54:18]

hashbang:

Juski: this was golf, so crowd noise, I think

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Juski:

right time to watch some mythtv...

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hashbang:

Juski: I remember messing with the speed adjustment pot. on a Goodmans personal stereo once because I think the speed was righ out.

[20:55:04]

Juski:

buzzcocks :-)

[20:55:11]

hashbang:

buzzcocks to you too!

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** hashbang verifies a backup of all his important MythTV stuff **

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Ediehow:

Juski: you use mythweb

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Ediehow:

?

[20:56:10]

hashbang:

given I've spent about 3 weeks working on this, I don't want to lose what I've got so far.

[20:58:24]

Rsx024:

when i schedule a recording on a digital channel that records from my settop box it doesnt record any thing it puts the the recording name in the recording section but there it freezes myth temporarily and says recording not found

[20:59:01]

Rsx024:

any one know how to fix this?

[20:59:30]

Rsx024:

if i turn myth to a digital channel while watching live tv it will swith to the svideo then i can record that way

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xris:

Rsx024: digital cable/firewire, or dvb?

[21:01:30]

Rsx024:

digital cable sa2200 through svideo

[21:02:08]

xris:

so not digital, then, just analog signal

[21:02:36]

xris:

your irblaster/whatever works fine, though?

[21:03:11]

Rsx024:

no i havnt been able to set it up properly yet i usually set the settop on the channel or set it to record it changes the channel

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Rsx024:

the irblaster is an issue all in its self :(

[21:03:51]

xris:

Rsx024: HD upgrade?

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Rsx024:

no

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stuarta:

Juski: with v4l are you referring to the suggestion that v4l2 should be used?

[21:04:21]

xris:

but on topic, it's probably a conflict between listing sources for the tuner vs svideo

[21:04:50]

Rsx024:

well i disabled the digital channels on zap2it and created 2 listings one dig and one analog

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Rsx024:

if i am watchin live tv and set myth to digital channel it will change to my svideo and swithc the channel listing as well

[21:05:17]

xris:

zap2it doesn't let you create multiple instances of the same listing provider, though.

[21:05:24]

kormoc:

ooh?

[21:05:28]

kormoc:

that's sucky

[21:05:29]

xris:

not when I tried, anyway

[21:05:36]

xris:

said "you already have this one"

[21:06:05]

Rsx024:

well one is set to digital and one is set to analog and then in the analog the analog channels are selected and digital the digital channels are selected

[21:06:22]

xris:

Rsx024: ahh.. I don't have a choice. it's "comcast" or "comcast"

[21:06:52]

xris:

anyway, you may have to run the backend in verbose mode and just see what it's trying to do when it tries torecord

[21:07:27]

Rsx024:

ok you know any docs that tells me how to do that or is it just a simple command?

[21:08:07]

Rsx024:

yea i just double check zap2it and when i put in my zip it gives me a selection for cable, digital cable, satelite or local broadcast

[21:09:08]

xris:

Rsx024: ahh, yeah, when I was trying, it was satellite... I guess I just glossed over the digital/analog cable bit when I reconfigured my stuff this weekend for cable.

[21:09:27]

Rsx024:

:)

[21:09:59]

Rsx024:

is verbose mode when it just post up the log file live?

[21:10:07]

xris:

anyway, run: mythbackend -v all

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xris:

and watch the text scroll

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xris:

then schedule a short manual recording, like 2 mins long.

[21:10:51]

Rsx024:

i gotta enable telnet so i can actually paste stuff

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Rsx024:

ok ill do that

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xris:

telnet? blech. use ssh

[21:12:04]

Rsx024:

i know thhis sounds stupid but what do i use to connect?

[21:12:31]

laga:

ssh

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Rsx024:

yea but is there like a software

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Rsx024:

or app

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kormoc:

ssh is the server and app

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Rsx024:

ok

[21:13:34]

Rsx024:

ive been using vnc

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laga:

sshd is the server ;)

[21:14:08]

Rsx024:

ssh comes enabled on the mythbox or some thing i gotta set up?

[21:14:22]

kormoc:

depends on your distro

[21:14:39]

kormoc:

myth is just a program, it's not it's own os

[21:14:55]

Rsx024:

well i understand that

[21:15:02]

Rsx024:

but i meant with my distro

[21:15:15]

kormoc:

well, that's hard to know, given we don't know what distro you use :P

[21:15:19]

Rsx024:

you know a noob like me is not using any thing but knoomyth :)

[21:15:49]

Rsx024:

i tried fedora4 and the update servers wereent working so i wasnt able to download all the files i needed

[21:15:58]

Rsx024:

knoppmyth*

[21:16:07]

xris:

should be enabled, yes

[21:17:02]

Rsx024:

yea it is i just downloaded putty (first app that came up in google ) and cconnected

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xris:

putty is the only ssh client for windows worth using

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Rsx024:

this ssh woulda saved me so much time lol ive only just logged and already love it

[21:18:15]

Rsx024:

ok cool

[21:18:49]

Rsx024:

should i stop backend first then restart with mythbackend -v all or i can run that command then schedule the recording?

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xris:

stop the backend, and then run it interactively so you can watch it

[21:19:21]

Rsx024:

ok thanks

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Rsx024:

does putty dump to a log file cause it flys by and then fillst the screen with other info unrelated

[21:24:23]

xris:

only if you tell it to

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laga:

'tee' might do the job, or just re-direct to a file. mythbackend -v all > mylogfile.txt

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Rsx024:

the next project is this stupid irblaster lol

[21:28:02]

xris:

Rsx024: no high def option for you? firewire is SO much easier to deal with

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Rsx024:

yea but is like 6 more a month i know its not much but i dont have hd tv if i had hdtv i would pay it

[21:29:07]

xris:

ah. it's worth the $5/month for me to get crystal clear recordings.

[21:29:56]

mishehu:

xris: that how much extra your cable co charges for hdtv feeds?

[21:30:06]

Rsx024:

yea im not sure if i should get a 40cal or a hdtv

[21:30:24]

xris:

mishehu: $5/month to upgrade the standard digital box to hd

[21:30:33]

xris:

$5/month for a normal digital box

[21:30:41]

mishehu:

xris: don't have/can't use a pchdtv3000 ?

[21:31:02]

xris:

mishehu: firewire is unencrypted

[21:31:14]

mishehu:

xris: you in the USA ?

[21:31:19]

xris:

I have an older air2pc, which might work for the broadcast stuff over qam, but won't get hbo, etc.

[21:31:19]

xris:

yes

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mishehu:

oh yeah you must be

[21:31:34]

mishehu:

xris: cumcast is your cable tv provider too?

[21:31:38]

xris:

yeah

[21:31:41]

xris:

as of last saturday

[21:31:49]

mishehu:

xris: and they don't give any shit with the firewire?

[21:31:52]

mishehu:

I thought they might.

[21:31:57]

xris:

nope. they can't

[21:32:05]

xris:

no one there even knows the ports are enabled

[21:32:09]

mishehu:

just because they're big enough of a company to not give a shit.

[21:32:12]

xris:

the installer didn't even know the box had firewire ports

[21:32:21]

Rsx024:

you guys know any good places to price hd ready tv's? doesnt have to be hdtv tuner just hd ready

[21:32:28]

xris:

Rsx024: costco

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mishehu:

xris: oooh nice, now I can report you unless you give me ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS! MWAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHH! </dr evil>

[21:32:52]

Rsx024:

yea im gonna go there

[21:33:05]

xris:

mishehu: huh? totally legal.

[21:33:06]

Rsx024:

i never been in a frys electronics i hear there prices are pretty cheap

[21:33:14]

mishehu:

xris: so they don't charge anything extra for the hdtv signal ?

[21:33:25]

xris:

no, required by law to provide firewire port for HD customers.

[21:33:38]

xris:

Rsx024: can't beat the costco return policy

[21:33:50]

mishehu:

xris: to provide firewire, but I bet it doesn't require it to be unencrypted. ;-)

[21:33:56]

xris:

mishehu: yes, it does

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Rsx024:

i have a usb port on the front of my settop would that atleast allow channel changes?

[21:34:04]

kormoc:

Rsx024, I'd recommend going with LCD tv over any other styles

[21:34:22]

mishehu:

xris: but if it's just $5 more for hdtv box with firewire, I might return this ooooold motorola box I have

[21:34:24]

xris:

only required to provide 480p, but it's easier not to downsample in the box, so they just give the pure signal

[21:34:31]

kormoc:

mishehu, how useful is firewire when it's encrypted? :P

[21:34:43]

Rsx024:

kormoc: yea thats what i was looking into

[21:34:56]

mishehu:

kormoc: None whatsover... <insert hhgttg reference here...>

[21:35:04]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[21:35:07]

Juski:

stuarta: yeh I think using v4l2 was what the v4l guys were inferring (as opposed to just v4l)

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mishehu:

xris: do you have to do anything funky to change channels on firewire?

[21:35:57]

xris:

not for the motorola 6200 boxes

[21:36:02]

xris:

myth handles it internally

[21:36:16]

mishehu:

or perhaps is there a "comcast hdtv + mythtv firewire" howto?

[21:36:28]

stuarta:

Juski: don't know enough of the background to know one way or the other...

[21:36:30]

Juski:

kormoc: I'd agree with the pro-lcd statement.. especially since the big manufacturers are ceasing production of big screen plasmas (or planning to)

[21:36:30]

Rsx024:

what are the usb porst on the front of settop boxes usually used for?

[21:36:45]

mishehu:

xris: ooh nice. what format does the video come thru as? mpeg ts ?

[21:36:46]

xris:

mishehu: it's easier to set up than a bttv card....

[21:36:49]

mishehu:

mpeg2 ts I mean

[21:36:50]

xris:

yeah

[21:36:54]

kormoc:

Juski, I just don't like burn-in on the screen

[21:37:01]

mishehu:

xris: shit, I'll have to do that.

[21:37:18]

xris:

mishehu: it's nice. only weirdness is that most digital channels are 528x480... weird res.

[21:37:54]

mishehu:

yeah, that's a 1.1 ratio

[21:38:00]

mishehu:

quite odd.

[21:38:30]

mishehu:

xris: when you say "digital channels" I gather you mean the non-hdtv ones?

[21:38:35]

xris:

yeah

[21:38:38]

xris:

like scifi

[21:38:50]

mishehu:

xris: that screw up transcoding or antyhing like that?

[21:39:56]

mishehu:

I wrote a dumb little batch transcoder because I transcode on my dual core opteron box, not the myth box. but my bash scripting skills are amateur at best... in reality they probably just suck. ;-)

[21:41:14]

meushi:

mishehu: I'd be quite interested in that script ;)

[21:41:29]

Rsx024:

ok what would i look for in the log fiel that indicates where it tried to change channel

[21:41:42]

xris:

mishehu: no, just a weird res. means my nuvexport exports are 512x384 instead of 640x464

[21:42:06]

mishehu:

meushi: it's terribly sucky... I don't even properly handle whitespace in filenames... so all files are like The_Daily_Show.2006-04–10.mpg -> The_Daily_Show.2006-04–10.avi (xvid4).

[21:42:47]

mishehu:

meushi: I had to do it because the stuff with mythtv never worked, had issues with perl dependencies.

[21:43:05]

mishehu:

so if you really want I can put it up, but I am no scripter so be warned. ;-)

[21:43:16]

mishehu:

I'm a coder not a scripter.

[21:43:27]

meushi:

mishehu: I could probably use it to bench some machines at work... I was planning to bring in 200GB of recordings for that ;)

[21:43:46]

xris:

no commercial cutting with straight from-file encoding, too

[21:44:07]

mishehu:

meushi: ok, I'll put it up. uses transcode + xvid4, but it's simple enough you should be able to change the codecs if you like.

[21:44:30]

mishehu:

xris: I was working before on a php5 script to do that. never had time to work more on it.

[21:44:55]

mishehu:

the only scripting I actually know is php5 .

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Beirdo:

mishehu: you should try messing with CGIs that won't properly escape & in filenames

[21:44:59]

Beirdo:

that was fun

[21:45:07]

mishehu:

Beirdo: ick.

[21:45:19]

Rsx024:

xris: should i post the start record section in pastebin?

[21:45:31]

Rsx024:

of my logfile

[21:45:43]

Beirdo:

I think apache unescaped them somewhere before calling the CGI. either way it can bite me, I found a way around it

[21:45:45]

kormoc:

mishehu, php works quite well as a shell scripting language

[21:46:25]

mishehu:

meushi: http://www.mashehu.com/~mishehu/trannycode.sh

[21:46:50]

mishehu:

kormoc: yeah, I noticed it does. those folks that bitch that it doesn't probably don't know how to use the language.

[21:46:56]

xris:

Rsx024: if nothing jumps out at you, sure...

[21:47:06]

** kormoc blinks at trannycode.sh's name **

[21:47:51]

meushi:

heh

[21:48:25]

mishehu:

kormoc: I also use it for an automatic billing system (creates new db entries for invoices, and emails them to the clients, all on CLI), and for fax receipt, I hacked up a little php5 script for hylafax so that I can send faxes received on certain DID's to specific recipients.

[21:48:39]

mishehu:

kormoc: keep blinking! it'll wink back.

[21:48:47]

Rsx024:

Started recording: Eight Legged Freaks: channel 2200 on cardid 1, sourceid 2

[21:48:47]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:48:52]

Rsx024:

channels is not 2200

[21:48:58]

Rsx024:

would that be a problem?

[21:49:07]

kormoc:

mishehu, just keep in mind, ncurses for php is not as simple as one would hope ;)

[21:49:10]

Rsx024:

not that it would matter cause its coming from svideo

[21:49:20]

Rsx024:

but the channel label is right in the recordings section

[21:49:37]

mishehu:

kormoc: I don't do anything THAT elaborate on CLI

[21:50:31]

mishehu:

the script I was working on to handle basically what nuvexport does in perl (?) would just fork some processes, but not provide any fancy UI to the user.

[21:50:36]

kormoc:

mishehu, an ongoing project I've been working on is writing a CLI interface to our inventory management system that will be accessed via ssh from a barcode scanner running embedded linux. it's fun :)

[21:50:40]

meushi:

mishehu: I wonder how fast it would be on a set of quad opteron blades ;)

[21:51:14]

Rsx024:

xris: here it is on pastebin http://pastebin.ca/48929

[21:51:34]

mishehu:

meushi: when I take something I've recorded at default quality in myth, and transcode it with these settings on my dual core opteron 270, I get 31.6 fps on the first pass, and 30.5 to 31.5 fps on the second pass.

[21:51:49]

mishehu:

meushi: I should also post my xvid4.conf file as well.

[21:52:01]

mishehu:

since that can be configured too, and I'm using some high quality settings.

[21:52:17]

xris:

Rsx024: 2006-04–10 14:40:10.244 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(200): Failed to find Channel '200'

[21:52:36]

Rsx024:

would this mean i need some kind of channels change script?

[21:53:06]

xris:

Rsx024: yeah, in your case, it can probably just be /bin/true

[21:53:13]

xris:

until you get something to change the channels for you

[21:53:41]

meushi:

anyways, off to bed... gnite guys

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Rsx024:

yea i got a pvr-150 with blaster and a serial blaster ive been tryin to setup the serial blaster

[21:54:06]

Rsx024:

with no succsess

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Rsx024:

ill have to try and tackle thsi irblaster once again

[21:56:33]

** Rsx024 slaps Rsx024 around a bit with a large trout **

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** Rsx024 HATES IR BLASTERS **

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mishehu:

xris: oh, on the motorola 6200, does the firewire operate independently of the coax/rca outputs?

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xris:

mishehu: not a clue... probably not

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kormoc:

it would be so cool if it did

[21:58:33]

mishehu:

yeah, wouldn't need so many damn boxes around here

[21:58:53]

mishehu:

it's a shame that I can't use my pchdtv to plug directly in as well

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Rsx024:

yea i should sell my hd-3000

[22:01:12]

mishehu:

Rsx024: I've never had time to actually configure it. :-/

[22:01:25]

mishehu:

school keeps getting in the way of that

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Rsx024:

yea i got it figuring i would upgrade to hd a little down the road and i would just use ntsc tuner but the ntsc tuner sucks

[22:02:01]

Rsx024:

its very grainy

[22:03:01]

Rsx024:

colors were off

[22:03:25]

mishehu:

how's the atsc on it?

[22:04:53]

Rsx024:

never tried it cause i odnt have hdtv but i hear that people are happy with it when they get it to work

[22:05:05]

Rsx024:

i dont have an antenna either

[22:05:45]

Rsx024:

i have an directv dish in my backyard from previous owner would that pickup channels?

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xris:

Rsx024: nope

[22:06:38]

Rsx024:

didnt think so

[22:06:48]

Rsx024:

by the way thanks for you help xris

[22:06:56]

Rsx024:

now i just gotta get that stupid ir blaster to work

[22:07:01]

xris:

atsc stuff is all digital, so as long as the card can receive them, they'll all look the same

[22:07:23]

Beirdo:

unless there's data corruption of course :)

[22:07:45]

xris:

that falls under the "receive" part

[22:07:49]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:07:59]

Rsx024:

its a shame i cant use the usb port on the front of my settop to change channels

[22:08:56]

xris:

Rsx024: probably can with some hacking.

[22:09:26]

sphing:

Beirdo: OT: you know any cell phones that do voip also?

[22:09:35]

Beirdo:

nope

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Rsx024:

xhris: wish i had the know how to do some hackin like that

[22:10:09]

** Beirdo splAts splAt1 **

[22:10:28]

xris:

Rsx024: that's why the firewire option is so nice.

[22:10:41]

xris:

except that my huge beefy workstation seems to have trouble playing some of the SD streams.

[22:11:05]

Beirdo:

well that's lame

[22:11:27]

xris:

Beirdo: yeah. it's like there's no xv, but I know there is because I only get 30% cpu usage on 1080i channels (those that work)

[22:11:36]

xris:

but like 120% usage on some SD channels

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Beirdo:

odd

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Rsx024:

yea im tempted to just get the hd box but not having hdtv in my house is lame my brother has 63" hdtv i wish i could bring gere

[22:11:51]

Rsx024:

here

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xris:

screencaps show the video info, too, which makes me feel that xv isn't working

[22:12:21]

xris:

Rsx024: only about 10 HD channels out of hundreds....

[22:12:30]

xris:

for me it's more the convenience of good rips.

[22:12:30]

Beirdo:

home time

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Rsx024:

yea thats true

[22:13:26]

Beirdo:

aw come ON windows, you POS

[22:13:29]

Beirdo:

hibernate!

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Rsx024:

there working on having irblaters work out of box in knoppmyth they have a script but it doesnt work properly and when i follow there guid to fix it i must just be doing some thing wrong

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Rsx024:

irblaster can also recive signals from my remote?

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Beirdo:

goddamned laptop

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** Rsx024 dislikes laptops! :) **

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Beirdo:

OK, it's getting shut off the old fashioned way. Seeya all later

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mishehu:

sphing: cell phoens that do voip are Coming Soon<tm>

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sphing:

grr... i want one now

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sphing:

im looking for a decent phone that does 802.11

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sphing:

ill code the voip myself

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Rsx024:

sphing: http://2wire.com/?p=8 read the part about itegrated voice over ip

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Rsx024:

not quite what your looking for but will be usefull when you find what you are looking for

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Zider:

dammit, I can't get my old ati card to output a ignal that the TV accepts, it just flimmers like it's way too high frequency

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darkdrgn2k:

Hi, ive got a ASX file that i play using XINE through mythtv. However the audio cuts out ever 10 seconds for abuot 5 seconds. I think it may be a buffering thing. any one have any idea how to change the buffering time?

[22:35:08]

Beirdo:

man xine?

[22:37:04]

Beirdo:

mplayer, you wanker, handle 206 OK from an Icy server!

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darkdrgn2k:

???

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darkdrgn2k:

waa

[22:38:03]

** Beirdo beats mplayer with a stick **

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darkdrgn2k:

mplayer works better thanx xine for asf streaming?

[22:38:12]

Beirdo:

respect ma authoritah!

[22:38:23]

Beirdo:

quite likely, actually

[22:38:37]

Beirdo:

but it's being a PITA with MP3 streaming with offsets :)

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** Beirdo kicks mplayer in the nuts **

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darkdrgn2k:

Cache fill: 0.00% (262 bytes)

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darkdrgn2k:

Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll

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darkdrgn2k:

grr

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Beirdo:

I don't think that matters

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darkdrgn2k:

myplayer wont start up

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Beirdo:

you will need to install the w32codecs likely

[22:40:49]

darkdrgn2k:

lol it works with xine :-P

[22:41:21]

darkdrgn2k:

avifile-win32

[22:41:21]

darkdrgn2k:

win32-codecs

[22:41:21]

darkdrgn2k:

xine-win32

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darkdrgn2k:

all 3 are installed (RPMS)

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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Beirdo:

the avisynth isn't needed though

[22:41:58]

Beirdo:

as far as I've seen

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eidolon:

jeez, i'm ready for my next disk space upgrade... which may push me over a terabyte on my myth server.

[22:45:23]

** eidolon is spooked. **

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DartmanX2:

my system died during a recording, now nothing else will record (thought the titles and info make it to the database). The database tables seem okay. Is there anything else I can look at before just trashing and reinstalling?

[22:50:28]

eidolon:

out of disk apce?

[22:50:41]

DartmanX2:

nope

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DartmanX2:

only using 51% on / and 31% on /myth

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darkdrgn2k:

cant get around it!

[22:53:09]

darkdrgn2k:

any one know if XINE can be helped out with icy servers for streaming?

[22:53:13]

darkdrgn2k:

ie increase buffer or somethin

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Beirdo:

icy is only for MP3s

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darkdrgn2k:

o

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darkdrgn2k:

well xine works wel.. except for the cut out

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Beirdo:

and read the xine docs :)

[22:55:24]

darkdrgn2k:

trying to

[22:55:37]

darkdrgn2k:

but they dont seem to talk about streaming asside from "you can stream if you isntall the codec"

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a way to add a entry into myth's main menu

[23:00:25]

GreyFoxx:

edit the theme xml

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darkdrgn2k:

where is that typically located?

[23:01:06]

GreyFoxx:

from a source install /usr/local/share/mythtv/themese/*

[23:01:15]

darkdrgn2k:

thanx

[23:03:51]

darkdrgn2k:

there is no gui editor for this right?

[23:04:01]

GreyFoxx:

not that I'm aware of

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darkdrgn2k:

great time to figure out what to make of this mess :-S

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** darkdrgn2k has no idea where to even start.... **

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GreyFoxx:

:)

[23:04:34]

darkdrgn2k:

lol opend the theme.xml.. hahah ok... this is gonna be fun

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** darkdrgn2k makes backup **

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Deathwish`:

good luck with that ;)

[23:04:55]

darkdrgn2k:

hhaha

[23:05:15]

Deathwish`:

I opened theme.xml the other day and just closed it again, maybe later ;)

[23:05:21]

darkdrgn2k:

lmao!

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darkdrgn2k:

WOO fond a main menu

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darkdrgn2k:

thats a start!

[23:05:42]

Deathwish`:

decided creating an OSD was less intimidating

[23:05:54]

Deathwish`:

so went for that.

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

[23:06:06]

darkdrgn2k:

all i wanna do is add a option to myths' menus

[23:06:09]

darkdrgn2k:

is that so much to ask

[23:06:12]

** darkdrgn2k wimpers! **

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta update mine, there have been additions I haven't added to it yet

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Juski:

hey hey GreyFoxx :-)

[23:06:52]

darkdrgn2k:

buttondef. is that the items?

[23:06:55]

GreyFoxx:

hey :)

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Juski:

darkdrgn2k: pay some 'speck to the theme creators then :-)

[23:07:20]

Juski:

how's the msntv stuff going man?

[23:07:33]

GreyFoxx:

just got back from vacation, haven't touched it :)

[23:07:39]

darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i hate the outmost speck for all mythtv developers

[23:07:55]

darkdrgn2k:

*have

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: good to hear – well, better than tried & got really stuck anyway

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Deathwish`:

darkdrgn2k: http://stealthboy.dyndns.org/~msherman/mythtv_theme_howto.html

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I've had it working as a mythfrontend for weeks

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GreyFoxx:

Just no hardware scaling

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GreyFoxx:

not yet

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Juski:

whoah!

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GreyFoxx:

nfsroot'd

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GreyFoxx:

I just altered myth to record at 640x480 requiring not hardscaling for playback hehe

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GreyFoxx:

and all xvid/divx movies that don't require scaling work perfectly

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Juski:

lol.. one way round it I suppose

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Ediehow:

hey Juski

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Ediehow:

you there?

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darkdrgn2k:

is there any way to add somethign to MYTHTV like "run XINE"

[23:12:42]

Juski:

darkdrgn2k: you already can – just install mythvideo

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Juski:

Ediehow: mmmyes...

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Ediehow:

Juski: you remember my performance problem, eh?

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Juski:

yeh course I remember that

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Ediehow:

i just noticed when watching a dvd, it started chunking while i did tar vfcj foo.tar.bz2

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Ediehow:

isn't that a cpu thing?

[23:14:42]

Ediehow:

or a dma thing?

[23:14:53]

Juski:

dma.

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Ediehow:

ooo, well, dma is definitely off for /dev/hdc

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Ediehow:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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Ediehow:

but not for that

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Ediehow:

/dev/hda

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Juski:

seems like the motherboard you got is a total PoS

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Ediehow:

is it possible it's not using dma even though it says using dma?

[23:17:22]

Ediehow:

hdparm

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Juski:

it's possible the chipset/drivers are no good, and that even using dma is bollocks

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kormoc:

<Ediehow> ooo, well, dma is definitely off for /dev/hdc

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kormoc:

Ediehow, you want DMA enabled on the dvd drive as well

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Ediehow:

that's the cdrom

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darkdrgn2k:

whtas the diff between xine and gxine

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Ediehow:

i just enabled it

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Beirdo:

darkdrgn2k, why are you asking us when there's google?

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GreyFoxx:

xine is commanline, gxine is a gui frontend for it

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GreyFoxx:

same with mplayer and gmplayer

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darkdrgn2k:

lol thanx

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xris:

GreyFoxx: that's mean

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GreyFoxx:

?

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xris:

or is gxine something new?

[23:25:33]

Juski:

there's xine-ui too afaik

[23:25:40]

darkdrgn2k:

xris: http://xinehq.de

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kormoc:

gxine is the gtk xine-ui iirc

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kormoc:

xine-ui normally is qt

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xris:

that's totem

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xris:

weird, though

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darkdrgn2k:

no one useese motif anymore :-D

[23:26:55]

kormoc:

media-video/gxine Homepage: http://xine.sourceforge.net/ Description: GTK+ Front-End for libxine

[23:27:02]

xris:

hmm

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, speak for yourself!

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: well i learned motif at school. so thats all i know in dows ui

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** xris curses yum for installing the 64 bit version of xine on top of the i386 version **

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: well that and raw X but.. yeh..

[23:27:41]

kormoc:

There are currently two frontends being developed in the xine project, xine-ui (skinned dvd-player style frontend directly based on xlib) and gxine, a desktop media-player style frontend using the standard gtk widget set and comes with a mozilla browser plugin.

[23:27:59]

xris:

kormoc: there's also totem, unless it got renamed

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kormoc:

xris, heh, "External projects like kaffeine, sinek and totem develop additional frontends."

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darkdrgn2k:

i just want xine to be nicer to my streaming video

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kormoc:

amusing, gxine uses the spidermonkey language

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xris:

I just want it to work with the w32codec stuff...

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xris:

no gxine package for me. oh well

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Beirdo:

I prefer the chimp language

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Blerghass:

Still having this problem. I customized my listings on zap2it, but mythfilldatabase is still getting the channels I excluded. I truncated the tables before filling, and looked in the database afterwards.

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darkdrgn2k:

haha mplayer wont play ASX files

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RaYmAn-Bx:

darkdrgn2k: but is that really a bad thing? ;)

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Beirdo:

darkdrgn2k, does for me

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Blerghass:

I'm out of ideas, does anybody know what else might be wrong?

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Beirdo:

just fine

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, depends on your compile options

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darkdrgn2k:

no it says "END OF FILE"

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, could just be a bad fil

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kormoc:

e

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Beirdo:

RTFM

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: it works with xine

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Beirdo:

an .ASX file is a playlist, no?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

yes it is

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: its a XML like file

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh

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darkdrgn2k:

basically

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Beirdo:

then you need mplayer -playlist blah.asx

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darkdrgn2k:

hmmm

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darkdrgn2k:

there we go :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

WOW its soo choppy!!!!

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Beirdo:

get some CPU :)

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darkdrgn2k:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

na its the stream

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darkdrgn2k:

59 (keyframe: 1)% 0.9% 2 0 17%

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darkdrgn2k:

P

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darkdrgn2k:

cache takes forever to fill

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Beirdo:

so tweak the cache

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darkdrgn2k:

hey .. you know when you launcha a movie myth shows up a screen saying "PLEASE WAIT"

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darkdrgn2k:

i dont think my gfx supports it cause i dont see it

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** kormoc doesn't see that with myth **

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Blerghass:

xris: any other ideas for my problem? I might e-mail zap2it.

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xris:

Blerghass: double check that your stuff at zap2it is still removed

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GreyFoxx:

darkdrgn2k: Actually I've never seen that

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xris:

Blerghass: make sure you don't have a web proxy

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darkdrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: like when you play a moview.. b4 xine starts it says "staritng" pr somethig nliek that

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darkdrgn2k:

... well i rmember it when i had this thing on a computer LOL..

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kormoc:

you mean xine's splash screen?

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kormoc:

you likely just turned it off in your xine config or on the command line

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GreyFoxx:

that's not myth doing it

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: no its a myth screen i think

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, no, it's not

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc u sure?

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kormoc:

yes, as is GreyFoxx

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darkdrgn2k:

ok so wone you select a video to play. it just startsp laying it?

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kormoc:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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** darkdrgn2k thinkgs hes going crazy! **

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darkdrgn2k:

ok then

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darkdrgn2k:

LOL untill i boot up my other nix box i have to take your professional word for it...

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darkdrgn2k:

..im crazy..

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Blerghass:

xris: The channels are still removed. I'm pretty sure I don't have a web proxy. I'm behind a basic router.

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kormoc:

I do believe zap2it generates their listings once a day, it could be cached on their side

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xris:

kormoc: nah, it's per-user

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xris:

Blerghass: I'm pretty sure it's not a zap2it issue.

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xris:

you did the TRUNCATE stuff?

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xris:

TRUNCATE TABLE channel; TRUNCATE TABLE program;

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Blerghass:

Yeah, did that

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xris:

with the backend off

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Blerghass:

Yeah, then I filled and looked around in the database myself before starting the backend again

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bRuZdEGO:

I am gettin "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" in my logs, anyone know how to fix this? it crashes the mythbackend so it's relaly annoying.

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