Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 7th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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FairWtns:

Well, here's what I know. I use lirc, without the internal myth support. Lirc needs to have: lircd running, which translates ircodes. irxevent running, which sends these ircodes as X keystrokes. A proper lircd.conf (with what IR hex code is what button) and a proper /home/mythtv/.lircrc (which what buttons are what keypresses).

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FairWtns:

Can you post your lircd.conf and .lircrc's to the pastebin? You said earlier that irw reports proper button presses.

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DartmanX2:

right now, its not working... hold one

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** FairWtns downs another. **

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FairWtns:

Jeebus you're demanding.

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DartmanX2:

http://pastebin.ca/48460 (lircd.conf)

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** FairWtns wonders how many more one's he can hold. **

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** FairWtns eyes MythLogBot suspiciously. **

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DartmanX2:

http://pastebin.ca/48461 (.lircrc)

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DartmanX2:

so far, i have to do a manual setserial command before I can modprobe lirc_serial

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FairWtns:

Hrm. It isn't connected to the hauppage. Just direct serial?

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Beirdo:

you leave my bot alone.. :)

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Beirdo:

put down the baseball bat

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Anduin:

Why does it have to remind you every time?

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** FairWtns whistles idly. **

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DartmanX2:

yes, I have a homebrew serial receiver. the ir blaster doesnt work with the 150

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FairWtns:

Wasnt doin nothing.

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Beirdo:

it will remind you once every 24h if you join and hit hasn't told you

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: Your prog settings are almost all as if you were using native.

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FairWtns:

DartmanX2: Each of my lircrc lines are like: config = Key M CurrentWindow

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DartmanX2:

now irw isnt doing a thing

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Anduin:

Beirdo: Why not more like kvandivo?

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FairWtns:

I just didn't want it logging my public drunkenness. Not that I am. I mean, if I were, it wouldn't be logging the fact that I could be. Right.

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Beirdo:

because this is a support channel, and people come and go... this isn't too bad

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Beirdo:

some people actually CARE that it's logged and get pissed if you don't tell them

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xris:

better than every-login like the old bot

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Anduin:

It is in the topic

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Beirdo:

heh

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FairWtns:

Haha. Beirdo, you know I've got no problems with it.

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Beirdo:

how many people honestly read the topic

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xris:

Beirdo: I do.. well, the stuff that doesn't scroll off to the right.

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Beirdo:

especially the "Don't be a dumbass" part

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xris:

long topic

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FairWtns:

Wait, it says don't be a dumbass? Dammit. Again I break the rules.

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Beirdo:

and the logging isn't in the topic :)

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FairWtns:

I drank milk that expired this morning. That's right. I'm a rebel. You can't stop me. I cut the tags off my mattress. That's right.

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Beirdo:

just about everything else in the world is, but not that in particular :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

FairWtns: you're totally allowed to cut the tags off your mattress

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Beirdo:

once you get them home

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Beirdo:

:)

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FairWtns:

xris: Of course I can, I'm a rebel.

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xris:

Beirdo: as soon as you own it...

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Beirdo:

not before you buy it

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xris:

Beirdo: it's not "yours" before you buy it

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Beirdo:

and they'd frown on it in the store

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Beirdo:

hehe

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FairWtns:

I've gone swimming <10minutes after eating too.

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** DartmanX2 is on the verge of reinstalling knoppmyth **

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: Just fix it.

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FairWtns:

I'm cursing my knoppmyth. 127.0.0.1 my <bleep>.

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DartmanX2:

problem is, these errors may be my fault from messing with lirc configurations

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xris:

DartmanX2: so uninstall lirc, wipe the config and reinstall

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imperfect-:

How's it going?

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znoG:

hi all. is there any way to change the recording quality of a recording in-progress without stopping the recording?

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kormoc:

don't beleive so

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znoG:

wow, i said 3 times "recording" in one sentence..

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kormoc:

Well record when record you record have record recording record on record the record brain record it record is record hard record to record not record say record record record.

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BlurredWe:

is there a way to clear out the database of files that aren't on the filesystem any more? I had to forcibly delete a few due to a full disk

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Beirdo:

next time don't forcibly delete

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Beirdo:

cat /dev/null > file

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Fatty123:

Hey folks, I just got an MVP and can't get DHCP working... I see the DISCOVER followed by the OFFER, but the MVP never makes a REQUEST...

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Beirdo:

then delete it in myth

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, just touch the missing files to create a 0 byte file with the correct name

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Fatty123:

I copied the example, changed the MAC and subnet, but no joy. Using the ISC DHCP server that comes with FC1

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Beirdo:

then delete it from inside myth

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Beirdo:

Fatty123, what is MVP and what does it have to do with MythTV?

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kormoc:

it's a hauppauge set top media player

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

right

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Fatty123:

Yea, and I'm trying to use mvpmc

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EruditeHermit:

hey, are there any suggestions to stop crackling audio?

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Qwell:

Here's an incredibly stupid question for you guys... When a show is recorded through the Program Guide...where is it supposed to show up? I tried going back to Live TV during a recording, and it said I had to go to "Playback"...which I couldn't find. And, under Media Library, I can see the stuff I was watching live, but not stuff I chose to record...but that file IS in the location it should be in

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Qwell:

I do see the first some 4 minutes of the show I recorded (I didn't say to record it until 5 minutes in, so it's two seperate files?), but not the other ~25

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znoG:

Qwell: did you change the filter in the "Watch recordings"?

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Qwell:

from "All Programs"?

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znoG:

yeah, TO all programs

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Qwell:

It starts on All, and yeah

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Qwell:

That's where I see the first 4 minutes. Could that be part of why?

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Qwell:

since it is in two parts..

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Fatty123:

I seem to have got beyond the dhcp problem with my mvp but now it's not tftp'ing the dongle.bin. Has anyone successfully hooked up an MVP to a myth backend?

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maximus2000:

Hi is there a way to remove commercials on older recordings?

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Anduin:

maximus2000: older?

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Qwell:

I imagine he means things recorded without commercial skip

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maximus2000:

What I mean is on recordings I recoderd a wekk ago. Meaning I did not have it transcoded after recording

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maximus2000:

I had it commercially flaged

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maximus2000:

Now I want to transcode it to remove the commercials

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Anduin:

maximus2000: Yes, select it, job options, transcode

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maximus2000:

I just read Mythtv howto set up transcoding.

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maximus2000:

Anduin, ok thanks

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maximus2000:

Anduin, When I go to Manage Recordings => Previously Recored I can not see anything for job options

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Anduin:

maximus2000: go to watch recordings

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maximus2000:

Anduin, Thanks

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DartmanX2:

when I record a show and move it to my main editing box, it always wants to reencode the audio. I record the audio at layer II, 320Kbps. The video editor wants to reencode it to PCM or AC-3. Is there a way to get it to record directly to PCM or AC-3 and skip over the reencoding step?

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SlicerDicer-:

http://david.spurgeonwoods.com/tapeworm/ OMG I love the name

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: You have one the of the x50 cards?

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris

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SlicerDicer-:

are you here?

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DartmanX2:

Anduin: yes, pvr-150

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: MPEG layer 2 only

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: what's up?

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SlicerDicer-:

hey you know how you like the recipe?

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SlicerDicer-:

got a computator in your kitchen?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris?

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xris:

no computer in the kitchen.

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xris:

that's a recipe for disaster (plus, I don't even have counter space for my kitchen gadgets)

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I am thinking of putting one in my kitchen

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SlicerDicer-:

passive heatsink and all that so no fans

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SlicerDicer-:

http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/compaqthingies.jpg one of those

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SlicerDicer-:

they are not fast by any means but I figure I could browse recipe's on it

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: if it works like I hope I might give you one if you want it

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SlicerDicer-:

I got 2 of them got them for 10$ heh

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont think I would have a use for the second one

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: interesting.

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

http://realprogrammers.com/hack/IA-1/img/original/x_session.jpg

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SlicerDicer-:

its fully capable of running linux

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xris:

touchscreen?

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SlicerDicer-:

no wireless keyboard

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SlicerDicer-:

wish it would touch

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Cromz:

messy.. get your hands all in the food while your making it and touch the keyboard or screen

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Cromz:

:>

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SlicerDicer-:

least you can klean a keyboard

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: not most modern ones. one drop of moisture and they stop working.

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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xris:

cat puked on one of my old logitech ones, I rinsed it off, let it dry for a week and it never worked again.

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway its just a thought

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xris:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

afk for a min I got to go find some more parts for the damn thing hehe

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Cromz:

so anyone got 2 pvr350s and a ir blaster? I put in a 2nd pvr350 and the lirc_serial stopped working. been trying to fix since last night.

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sphing:

I'm getting unable to connect to database from mythfrontend

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sphing:

yet it works perfectly from commandline

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: I'll take it if xris doesnt want it :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: my kb doent get wet.

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sphing:

any ideas ?

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mchou:

doesnt*

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mchou:

sphing: restart the fr and see if the same still happens

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mchou:

fe*

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: you around?

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xris:

no

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xris:

;)

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sphing:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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xris:

sphing: gentoo?

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sphing:

yessir

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: hehe... Hey, your mythrename script — is that designed to run standalone via a cron job?

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xris:

you need to install mysql before qt or qt won't compile in mysql support

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sphing:

i did

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: either

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sphing:

because it complained that I didnt

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xris:

sphing: poke kormoc when he shows up

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sphing:

so i reemerged it

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mchou:

sphing: you need to install qt-mysql

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: or can I set it up in one of the user jobs and execute it for each recording indiviually...

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mchou:

libqt-myaql

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mchou:

libqt-mysql*

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: it's designed to run on the whole directory

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sphing:

mchou: qt was compiled with mysql support

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xris:

but whatever... I don't use it, personally

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mchou:

sphing: no....

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mchou:

libqt-mysql on the fe

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sphing:

... yes

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mchou:

possibly on be too

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sphing:

my backend is fine

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sphing:

i have 2 frontends working perfectly... this frontend doesnt..

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sphing:

gentoo wont compile mythtv unless qt was compiled with mysql support

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mchou:

sphing: keep on being dense

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sphing:

gentoo = portage

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sphing:

mchou: i think the problem is that qt3 and qt4 somehow both got installed

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sphing:

and one has mysql and the other doesnt

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sphing:

so like i said.. qt was compiled with mysql.. but myth is loading the worng one

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: thanks, that's what I gathered from the --help text. I'll probably just use the script I found (the one in the contrib that gets the program info from the database from the filename) and stick it in one of the user jobs. That way my links will be up-to-the minute fresh... And I'll use yours in a 'cron' job to clean up old links once or twice a day...

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: good enough.

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xris:

man, that makes me think I should be working on the new perl bindings tonight instead of mythweb streaming support

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mchou:

sphing: you can easily tell by using "ldd `which mythfrontend`"

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Nah – not for me anyways — and I'd love to see what you come up with for streaming... ;-)

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mchou:

sphing: assuming it's all dynamically linked

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ShockValue:

hokay... so... here is tha earth.

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: too many things to work on... :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Thanks! You're a great asset to the MythTV community! ;-)

[03:00:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yep, me too. I tend to take on too many projects at once, and each one gets about 75% done in the end... eek...

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ShockValue:

ok, so i stole my neighbors large arial antenna.. it had screw terminals on it, but i'm not sure if there's some special way I need to hook it up to make it work right.

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sphing:

mchou: yea its using qt3 which doesnt have mysql

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sphing:

instead of qt4 which does

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: but now that I've started to notice that, I'm trying to 'clean things up' now...

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ShockValue:

im going from coaxial (hd3000) to this antenna (screw terminals)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Do you know much about the upnp media players out there?

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ShockValue:

i know this is kind of off topic, but it is so i can receive HD on myth :)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I have a killer recipe parsing engine I wanted to put into a cooking wiki... haven't touched it in AGES because I have too many other things to do

[03:04:42]

** havoc prepares for client server move **

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: you should be using a 75 ohm to 300 ohm matching transformer to get the best signal strength. (It's got a female 'f' connector on one side, and two wires on the other side) (at least in the USA)

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** havoc doesn't like this **

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** havoc isn't ready **

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: you mean you're building a remote frontend?

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: um, yeah ;)

[03:05:32]

havoc:

a client want's to move their server *now*

[03:05:40]

havoc:

I'm drinking, and going to sleep soon

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havoc:

so I'm just going to monitor remotely and tell them when they've fscked it up

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: so what's wrong? Oh, you're using somebody else's hardware?!? eek!

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havoc:

then I'll go fix it in the morning

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm not leaving home

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havoc:

screw'em

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havoc:

yup, definitely got a good buzz goin on

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: do you need a link with a picture? I can find one for you.

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** havoc advised against it **

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: that would be swell :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Are you in the US? Is there a Radio Shack near you if so?

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ShockValue:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Here ya go: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103912

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Sounds like you'll also need to put a new "F" connector on the antenna end of the cable too...

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, thanks... so i take it just stripping an end off the coax wouldnt quite work?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: It would probably work, but nowhere near as good a signal as using the matching transformer.

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ShockValue:

antenna -> transformer -> coax -> HD3000 ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Yeah, considering your current condition I wouldn't recommend it either! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Yep! How good is the coax you have? How long does it have to be?

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ShockValue:

mmm.. maybe ~20 feet

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ShockValue:

well, more i guess including the pole that it's mounted on.. 30–40 max i would guess

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: the kid just called me like 30min ago to say he was doing it

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havoc:

but I suck it up and try to help cuz I'm going to be using his bonded T1's at no charge forever staring ina month or two

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Ok — if your signal is too weak with the existing cable, I'd get a 75' piece of RG6-Quad-Sheild — That's basically the best cable and you'd have very little loss with it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: ick... So are you losing your data?

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havoc:

um, no?

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havoc:

I just need more bandwidth for all my hosts

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: (and yes, I'd go with the cable before any amplifiers — they'll just amplify a poor signal...)

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havoc:

and I'm gonna throw a few servers on this kid's connection

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Maybe I misundestood — does that server that's being moved have anything to do with your myth setup? That's what I was thinking... (sorry, I guess I came into the tail of the conversation...)

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, thanks for the advice

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: nothing to do with myth, just work crap

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Ok, sorry I got it confused! ;-)

[03:18:08]

havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: wasn't much of a "conversation", it was with myself ;)

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havoc:

I *may* get back to myth tomorrow, after I put the new shocks on my truck

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havoc:

spent the evening cleanign the garage preping for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: I've got a UHF antenna on the roof pointing to Boston, with a matching transformer to RG6QS, and about 75' of cable. I get ~90% signal strength on each channel... No amp necessary.

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havoc:

now I'm screwing with this impromptu server move and some web cam crap

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: hehe.... ;-)

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havoc:

oh, and drinking beer :)

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ShockValue:

problem is i have a large island in my way.. but i get ~60 signal with a crappy little antenna.. so im hoping this one will make it decent

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: BTW – in my area (Boston area), all of the HD channels are actually in the UHF range, even though they have 'low' human channel numbers... So I don't even need a VHF antenna for over-the-air HDTV in my area... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: is that little antenna a 'omnidirectional amplified' type?

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ShockValue:

I think this setup i have has both...

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ShockValue:

no, it was more of a "yagi" shape

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Here's the UHF only one that I have — it's got a 75-mile range. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088

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ShockValue:

this is similar to the one i have, but i also have another attachment a little lower as well: http://www.lashen.com/vendors/winegard/images/hd-9085p.gif

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MaestroTech:

MythDVD

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MaestroTech:

I installed these packages on both my laptop and my desktop....strangely though, I only have the "Optical Drive" option on my laptop. I'm very confused.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: So you might already have a UHF-only antenna... Have you checked on antennaweb.org with your zip code to see how far away the transmitters are? And these are directional antennas too — they have to be pointing to the transmitter to work the best, especially if you're far away...

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ShockValue:

which side is supposed to point at the stations?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: With that antenna, the long end points to the stations. The 'v' at the end forms a reflector back to the collectors in the middle...

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ShockValue:

so like me -<<<<<<-station ?

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mchou:

debating which movie to watch tonight.... The Mechanic

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: I think so... You |<---- Station (Where | is the pole, <--- is the antenna with it pointing to you like an arrow...)

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ShockValue:

ok, thanks

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ShockValue:

mchou – i got a real antenna :)

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mchou:

ShockValue: which one?

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: is helping my dumb self figure it out

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ShockValue:

oh i dunno, it just some monster outdoor style

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mchou:

ShockValue: what brand/model?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: If those same stations broadcast in analog too, the best way to aim it is to use an analog TV tuned to that channel, then aim it to get the best signal. (This kinda assumes they're using the same tower to broadcast both analog and digitial too, which is not always the case...)

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ShockValue:

<shrug> doesnt say.. its used.. off my neighbors housr

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mchou:

ShockValue: oh, ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: The bigger it is, the stronger the signal... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: does it have a rotor too?

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mchou:

ShockValue: just pont to space needle and ypu're all set

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mchou:

point*

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ShockValue:

no rotor

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ShockValue:

yep. at the base of the needle is where the stations actually are...althouhg im not sure thats where there antennas are

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mchou:

ShockValue: that's where the antennas are too

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Check http://antennaweb.org to see if they have info for your location... It will tell you exactly where to point the antenna, and how far away the towers are. (Although they don't seem to have all the data in there, It only showed 2 hd channels for my firend's house, and we got 13)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: do you live nearby? How many channels do you get?

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mchou:

I dont live anywhere near seattle

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: me either... I'm near Boston.

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mchou:

but I get plenty of HDTV stations :)

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ShockValue:

im between 13 and 15 miles away.. 70–70'

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ShockValue:

err.. 70–74'

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: just point it at 72 degrees and you'll be all set!

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ShockValue:

half tempted to run down to lowes right now and get that part :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: how many channels? I get 22 without a rotor, but 4 are spanish (which I don't speak), so basically 18. I could get another 8–10 if I put a rotor up there...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: With the towers only 15 miles away, your little antenna should work great if you've got it pointed right...

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ShockValue:

i have a lot of trees and islands in my way

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so the bigger the antenna and the higher you get it up, the better.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Can you get anything now?

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ShockValue:

yeah if i point it just right I can get a bit.. but the signal kinda flakes in and out

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: about 17 stations

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: and about 2–3 streams/station

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: back on antennaweb.org — select the 'digital stations only' option — are all the frequency id's higher than 13?

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ShockValue:

emm, let me check

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ShockValue:

Frequency assignments are between 18 and 48

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: wow... my count of 22 was counting the sub-channels also... Probably 14 if you don't count them individually...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: so they're all UHF frequencies. If your 'little' antenna is bigger than the 'little' similar-looking part on the neighbor's antenna, then it will probably work better than the 'big' one. But you'd be best to get it higher and make sure it's pointing to 72 degrees...

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ShockValue:

no, the neighbors antenna i got is way larger, both parts

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ShockValue:

the large part is like 4x3, and the smaller is like 2x3'

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ShockValue:

the little one i got from ratshack is like 1x1 :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: Ok, then it should work better. The antenna I have ( the RS link I sent) is 40" long...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: oh, that small... It looked bigger in the picture! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: You didn't tell me the picture was "actual size"!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: you still awake? Can I ask your opinion on an idea I have?

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xris:

still awake. it's not even 9 pm

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: ok to pm ya, right?

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xris:

sure

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, well it's midnight here... better get to bed for the night... ttyl all... ShockValue – let me know how it works out!

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alex777:

hm, mythweb times out when I try to see the Listings because there's like 500+ channels from my dish channel lineup

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^Riddler:

evening all.

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havoc:

"If you polish a unicorn's horn long enough it gives you magical unicorn mayonaise."

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^Riddler:

now i just feel dirty..

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^Riddler:

hey does anyone know if there is a DVD catalog/database plugin for myth.. either out there. or in dev?

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mchou:

^Riddler: huh?? DVD catalog?

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mchou:

how is that any different than mythdvd?

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^Riddler:

like a listing of what DVD's you have.. using like imdb.com/amazon to list what you have.. not ripped to the machine.

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^Riddler:

something searchable etc.

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mchou:

I dont think myth has anything like that afaik.

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mchou:

use anotther app for that

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mchou:

another*

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^Riddler:

i think I am going to make something if its not out there.

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^Riddler:

similar to mythflix..

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^Riddler:

but uses the local db

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mchou:

There are plenty apps out there that does this kind of stuff already

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^Riddler:

sort of.. there are kinda wussy cd catalogs etc.. I actually wrote one in php not to long ago.. but it needs to look nicer.

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mchou:

such as Readerware

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alex777:

I used to have a good one

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alex777:

I forgot what it was called

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^Riddler:

i have something like 500+ dvds and their starting to run together.

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^Riddler:

with the advent of mythflix.. i thought it a logicall extension

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Grubsy:

what do u mean run together?

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Grubsy:

what is mythflix?

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alex777:

^Riddler try this: http://opendb.iamvegan.net

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^Riddler:

thanks looking now

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alex777:

I used it, easy to set up and to maintain, just not enough time, I'm lazy :)

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^Riddler:

verry nice..

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^Riddler:

i think i will go with this.. thanks much!

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alex777:

np

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^Riddler:

well guys I am gonna work on this.. thanks again alex777

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writeaudio: buffer underrun

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SlicerDicer-:

whew xris that sucked

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SlicerDicer-:

I had to search my entire fricken house to find that part haha

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SlicerDicer-:

the harddrive for the damn thing haha

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xris:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: well I just moved

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SlicerDicer-:

so it was not fun haha

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xris:

heh

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null:

Can you recommend a socket 478 board with an s/pdif out?

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stuarta:

morning

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eiggirC:

evening

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Juski:

morning stuarta.

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Juski:

friday already! I can hardly believe it

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stuarta:

yay!!! GF gets the keys to her new flat at lunchtime :)

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** Juski orders a truss for stuarta's oncoming hernia ;-) **

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** stuarta points to the removals man **

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Juski:

ahhh.. good plan!

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stuarta:

her & sister had this table that used to be carried by oxen

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stuarta:

big heavy bastard, I can't even lift the corner of

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stuarta:

when she moved out of the old place 2 blokes carried it down 6 flights of stairs easily

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stuarta:

took 6 to bring it up

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stuarta:

no wonder they got the job again...

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eiggirC:

Juski: fridayy was overratedd

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eiggirC:

stay home

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Juski:

yeh leave it to the professionals to break stuff ;-)

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stuarta:

:) to be fair, they are very good...

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Juski:

cost me £60 to move from my old flat – one transit Luton load. wonder how many vans it'd be now

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d64:

it seems every time i move i have about three times more stuff

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eiggirC:

d64: so have a dung out

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eiggirC:

throw shit away or give it away or sell it on ebay

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Juski:

I now own more leads than I did when I ran a mobile disco

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stuarta:

it's quite theraputic

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Juski:

you can throw as much as you like away – you still end up with too much crap

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Juski:

keep meaning to take all my vinyl to the charity shop

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stuarta:

vinyl: definitely ebay

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Juski:

nah it's too much like hard work

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Juski:

been there, done that

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** eiggirC goes to watch the sixth sense **

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eiggirC:

mythtv rocks

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Juski:

get loads of people whining about delivery charges, especially skint people in manchester asking if they can come round to look at it all

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Juski:

:-/

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Juski:

yeh.. come round & case the joint, ye bastards

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NikR:

anybody friendly in here?

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null:

no

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null:

:)

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NikR:

am I the only one up at 5:30am?

[09:28:28]

NikR:

i have a mythtv question

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null:

just ask, it's 11.30am here ;)

[09:30:40]

NikR:

mythtv has recently begun to act strange when i'm fast-forwarding or rewinding

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NikR:

it pauses after a couple of seconds.

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NikR:

if i hit fast-forward or rewind it continues, but won't do anything untill I do so.

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NikR:

pause is probably not the right word. its not paused, it stalls.

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null:

hm

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null:

strange, a developer might help you better...

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NikR:

well, it certainly perplexed me.. funny thing is it happened right out of the blue. i hadn't changed anything

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null:

hm

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null:

maybe it's something with your hardware?

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NikR:

that would be disapointing.

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NikR:

another quick question if you don't mind.

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null:

well, i try to help you but i'm not very good ;)

[09:39:10]

NikR:

before I switched over to mythtv I was running Windows MCE. I hated it, but I've found that the video quality was much better before. is this something wrong or do I have to live with it?

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null:

hmm, what capture card are you using?

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NikR:

pvr-150

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null:

hm

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null:

well, it could be the interlacer. I personally don't know much about Myth because i'm currently searching the hardware for my box...

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NikR:

it looks like compression artifacts. its confusing because its a hardware encoder so i would think the quality would be the same

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null:

hum, but this is since you're using myth?

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NikR:

yup.

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null:

don't know, sorry

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NikR:

thanks anyway.

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Juski:

I know the answer to NikR's question – it's likely something to do with the recordedmarkup table being corrupt or otherwise damaged

[10:06:50]

laga:

smart boy :)

[10:07:55]

Juski:

haha

[10:07:58]

Juski:

morning laga

[10:08:04]

Juski:

thank f. it

[10:08:09]

Juski:

it's friday!

[10:08:31]

laga:

no.

[10:08:43]

laga:

not exactly. it's my-easter-break-starts-today day.

[10:08:55]

Juski:

isn't that better though?

[10:08:56]

laga:

it's no-more-fucking-idiots-for-the-next-two-weeks

[10:09:04]

laga:

hell yeah, of course it is :)

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Juski:

lol

[10:09:32]

laga:

it's get-wasted-and-geek-out-without-the-GF-being-around day. ;)

[10:09:36]

Juski:

the weeks are just flying by – it'll be lugradiolive time before I know where I'm at

[10:10:00]

laga:

you're telling me. linuxtag will take place in less than one month and we have exactly nothing.

[10:10:45]

Juski:

there's the video thing I did – you can use that. translate the text to German & I can do a Deutsch version ;-)

[10:11:09]

laga:

Juski: that'd be awesome. i'd hug you now if you had boobs.

[10:11:17]

Juski:

heh

[10:11:23]

laga:

Juski: you don't happen to be working on a banner, though? ;)

[10:11:42]

Juski:

yeh off & on – got a reasonable copy of the mythtvtalk logo in PSD formst

[10:12:30]

Juski:

also like a 100MB PSD of a close resemblance of the mythtv logo

[10:13:32]

Juski:

if Coume could get in touch with the guy who designed the original logo we might be able to get it in a scalable vector format

[10:13:41]

laga:

can i quote you on that? ;)

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Juski:

(if he kept his work)

[10:14:10]

Juski:

the antenna part of the logo is a bee-atch with the pixellated fading effect :-/

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laga:

:/

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Juski:

it's mostly done though

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laga:

i'm glad to hear that

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Juski:

are you going to have boxen running mythtv there?

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Juski:

I've been quoted £0.50 each for PC case badges, custom printed ;-)

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laga:

:P

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Juski:

I read that you'll be sharing a stand with knoppmyth at linuxtag – how are they getting on with planning?

[10:19:51]

laga:

of course we're gonna demo running mythtv boxen

[10:20:12]

laga:

Juski: we're not sharing a booth with knoppmyth. we're sharing a booth with...no, you'll have to guess that one.

[10:20:31]

Juski:

hmmm

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laga:

three letters. it's an abbreviation

[10:22:02]

Juski:

nah you've lost me now

[10:22:40]

Juski:

oh yes..

[10:22:44]

Juski:

VD argghhh

[10:23:13]

Juski:

which is best, mythtv or VDR. there's only one way to find out... "FIGHT!"

[10:23:15]

stuarta:

which theme you gunna use Juski?

[10:23:30]

Juski:

not mythcenter, for sure

[10:23:38]

stuarta:

Project Grayhem?

[10:23:44]

Juski:

maybe not even that

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laga:

Juski: i'll make sure to bring my asbestos underwear if i show up

[10:24:33]

Juski:

might even make a theme just for the event

[10:25:30]

Juski:

according to some bollocks research I did, there's a reason for most user interfaces of TV appliances being blue-tinged

[10:26:20]

Juski:

(shock, horror).. users prefer it!

[10:26:44]

Juski:

in all honesty I think I'll go with Retro

[10:27:21]

Juski:

it doesn't have the hand-drawn look some themes have ;-)

[10:36:45]

phar0e:

hi

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phar0e:

I just had a delicious meal from Del Taco

[10:38:08]

laga:

i just had a delicious meal made by my mom ;)

[10:38:31]

** stuarta doesn't care... **

[10:38:34]

phar0e:

bratwurst and sauerkraut

[10:38:49]

laga:

phar0e: schnitzel, schupfnudeln und gemüse.

[10:38:58]

laga:

stuarta: nihilism?

[10:39:29]

phar0e:

he's upset that the domain titsup.com is already registered to someone else

[10:39:36]

phar0e:

I told him to go with titsup.biz

[10:40:24]

stuarta:

hehe

[10:42:20]

** Juski is off to build up some prototype boards **

[10:42:53]

phar0e:

45 minutes until the weekend

[10:43:13]

stuarta:

it's only registered to one of those theiving domain squatting companies

[10:44:19]

phar0e:

they probably registered tits*

[10:44:32]

phar0e:

titsdown up, left, right, high,low

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kayelem:

'tits' != "towers international transistor selector" then? ;-)

[10:46:45]

phar0e:

no, like the ones on girlies

[10:47:03]

phar0e:

and large men

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kayelem:

heh

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stuarta:

the ones on men are 'manb00bs'

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laga:

blech

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kayelem:

argh. decisions. More coffee then get dressed; or get dressed then get more coffee..?

[10:50:11]

laga:

get coffee first, less spilling then.

[10:50:20]

laga:

(or more burn marks...)

[10:50:27]

stuarta:

kettle, dress, coffee...

[10:50:28]

kayelem:

hm..

[10:50:31]

laga:

anyway, nap time. night

[10:50:51]

phar0e:

rest well lagaaaaa

[10:51:01]

phar0e:

coffee is nasty

[10:51:03]

kayelem:

stuarta, aha, a plan...

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stuarta:

use it every morning :)

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** Juski is in a 'deleting files' kinda mood again **

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Juski:

hmm... if I go to the pub at lunchtime I might not feel like coming back, so best not

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phar0e:

what is at the pub?

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pjn:

beer?

[11:01:12]

phar0e:

g'day pjn

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phar0e:

how may #mythtv-users help you today?

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pjn:

(one of my tuners died this week and I'll have to send it back)

[11:01:51]

pjn:

I don't really need any help tonight

[11:02:10]

stuarta:

beer me!

[11:02:22]

pjn:

well, I'm not sharing

[11:02:33]

stuarta:

!trout pjn

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** MythLogBot slaps pjn with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[11:02:37]

phar0e:

how many total tuners do you have pjn?

[11:02:44]

pjn:

three

[11:02:57]

phar0e:

is one dedicated just for recording `Neighbours`?

[11:03:22]

pjn:

no, my fiancee prefers home and away

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[11:03:59]

phar0e:

how many high-def channels does australia broadcast?

[11:04:15]

pjn:

shrug, I use standard def digital

[11:06:45]

Juski:

neighbours.. lol

[11:06:55]

Juski:

hoime & away.. lol

[11:07:04]

phar0e:

CORONATION STREET, you can't talk.

[11:07:06]

Juski:

to each their own- but I reserve my right to laugh

[11:07:17]

Juski:

soaps.. pah

[11:07:50]

Juski:

I lose my wife for god knows how many hours every week to bloody soap operas

[11:08:31]

Juski:

be a lot less if I could talk her into recording them all & timestretching :-P

[11:11:10]

phar0e:

haha

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Juski:

lol. apparently 40% of the UK aren't aware that analogue telly is going to be switched off. according to a survey, 10% would be happy to go without TV rather than be coerced into upgrading. Yeah right

[11:12:12]

phar0e:

when will it be turned off?

[11:12:16]

phar0e:

ours will be turned off in the year 2005

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Juski:

by 2012

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Juski:

the govt are already planning the frequency allocation auction, so there's no going back now

[11:17:46]

pjn:

so, where can I put in a feature request that if two shows are set to record consecutively on one station the pre-roll and post-roll can be honoured by recording two streams off the one tuner at once?

[11:17:50]

pjn:

is it even possible?

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stuarta:

not it's not possible, there is only one stream

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pjn:

I was kind of thinking something like "tee (1)"

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Juski:

sounds simple to put right in theory but it'd be hard to ensure the stream is continuous

[11:20:29]

pjn:

oh well, I'll just have to make sure I get a replacement tuner

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** Juski wonders who would want to run XP on a Mac.. how perverse can stuff get? **

[11:31:47]

** haj wonders who would want a Mac.. how perverse can people get? :) **

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** pjn wonders where he could have got a 12" laptop with 5hrs of battery life a few years ago if not from apple **

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Juski:

I admire apple for making computers that don't look like PCs. Someone has to. PCs are fugly

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d64:

i thought pcs looked fine ten years ago

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d64:

since then there's been some disappointing development

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Juski:

disappointing? you mean they're still basically the same beige boxes of 20 years ago? You'd be right

[11:37:12]

stuarta:

did quite fancy the SGI indigo's

[11:37:44]

** Juski used to work at a plant where they were assembled. very nice machines **

[11:40:17]

Juski:

I think they were indigos anyway – definitely SGI boxes

[11:40:20]

** haj owns a SGI O2 :) **

[11:40:49]

haj:

With 512mb memory ;) thats pretty cool for a 1995-box

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kayelem:

haj, you have taste...

[11:42:42]

** kayelem has a couple of Indys, an Indigo2 and an Indigo :) **

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kayelem:

(and a garage full of old Sun gear... etc... etc... <g>)

[11:44:01]

haj:

kayelem: i don't use it at all... i use it as a book support ;)

[11:44:07]

Juski:

wonder how GreyFoxx is getting on with his msnbc thingies... anyone heard 'owt ?

[11:44:20]

haj:

kayelem: it's a very pretty box though, and it does work.

[11:44:35]

kayelem:

haj, my Indigo2 gets some use; seems to record audio better than any PC I have

[11:44:43]

haj:

kayelem: i got it from a school.. didn't get any IRIX-cds with it, so i had to hack it in order to use it ;)

[11:44:58]

haj:

that was pretty funny

[11:45:02]

kayelem:

I rather like 4DWM as well. it's quite a nice Unix on them, really

[11:45:26]

haj:

kayelem: the O2 has a full set of video in/outputs :)

[11:45:51]

kayelem:

haj, heh; what you're missing is a Friend At A University With A CD Burner (tm) – those are useful...

[11:46:17]

d64:

juski: yeah i think a beige box is good.. anything extra for looks is a compromise of functionality and/or price imo

[11:46:33]

stuarta:

black boxes are better

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kayelem:

I like my silver box.

[11:46:52]

d64:

well color i can accept :) my boxes have lately been aluminium colored as well

[11:46:53]

haj:

kayelem: i have some old SUN-gear as well.. a SPARCServer 1000 (8*50MHz SuperSPARC) with 1gig RAM, and a UltraSPARC 5 with half a gig and a SunPCi-card.

[11:47:09]

kayelem:

very plain, unfussy Lian-Li ally cases in black and silver look pretty decent

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Juski:

there'

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haj:

kayelem: used that SPARCServer for IRC for like 2½ years.. until my host didn't want it sitting in the techroom anymore :)

[11:47:36]

Juski:

there's yet to be a nice enough looking PC case for the livingroom though

[11:47:55]

kayelem:

haj, <envy> I only got 4 processors and 512M RAM in my SS1000 :)

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d64:

i put my box behind a tinted glass door

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Juski:

there are those things the size of massive amplifiers with gawdy LEDs & VFDs.. eew

[11:48:08]

d64:

in the living room that is.. so i can only see the leds

[11:48:19]

Juski:

then there are the other MCE purpose built things.,..

[11:48:41]

Juski:

they look okay, but still have daft VFDs & jog wheels :-/

[11:48:53]

kayelem:

If you can cram the bits into a mini-ITX system there are some reasonable plain black boxes for those

[11:49:07]

kayelem:

Not gonna get several tuner cards in one somehow...

[11:49:11]

Juski:

black? yuk

[11:49:33]

kayelem:

most of my hifi is black, apart from the seventies silver bits

[11:49:36]

Juski:

I can live with my ally silverstone lc02

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d64:

i really don't get it :) i don't want to look at my computer any more than necessary, be it in the living room or office

[11:49:50]

Juski:

funny – hifi here was black in the 80s

[11:50:11]

haj:

kayelem: hehe... one of my cpus are broken, so it was running with only 7, i do have a couple of spare CPU's but i'm to lazy to change the broken one now when i don't have a place to put the box except my basement.

[11:50:12]

kayelem:

yup... I have seventies and eighties hifi :)

[11:50:25]

haj:

kayelem: i'm not going to run it at home, uses way to much power :)

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d64:

you can get almost any modern (mass market) hifi components as black

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Juski:

normal ally is cheaper and looks better IMHO

[11:50:37]

kayelem:

(well, and some fifties too... Mmmmmm Quads...)

[11:51:05]

Juski:

try buying a DTS amp made in the 1950s though

[11:51:07]

d64:

in my office setup i have a technics silver preamp and tuner

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Juski:

:-P

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d64:

those are from ca 1980

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d64:

the power amp is 20 years younger

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Juski:

'warm sound' from tubes... lol. yep. for 'warmth' read 'no top end'

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kayelem:

I need to knock up a surround preamp then get several more fifties valve amps for the remaining channels...

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kayelem:

Juski, you've not heard the good stuff... transparent... plenty of top-end...

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Juski:

good stuff? I've heard plenty of ££££££ stuff

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kayelem:

Juski, how does a frequency response flat within 0.5dB from 15Hz to 50kHz do you? That's the fifties Quad II :)

[11:53:04]

Juski:

pretty good

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Juski:

same as my yamaha DTS amp then

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kayelem:

Juski, the valve preamp it comes with is pants, though. i'm going to make my own

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Juski:

heard a damn good amp which had the d/a converter built into the amp pre-power stage

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kayelem:

Tried one of them with a lash-up preamp – definitely no "warm valve sound" there.

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Juski:

that was awesome, but they had to control the volume digitally, which is bad

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Deathwish`:

hmm

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Deathwish`:

anyone using a silver hauppauge remote?

[11:59:10]

haj:

kayelem: Installing Windows 95 on a SUN with a SunPCi-card :) -> http://gallery.nathue.dk/photo/2005/11/26/_MG_0832.JPG

[11:59:29]

haj:

kayelem: notice the brand new Digital 15" monitors... :)

[11:59:43]

Deathwish`:

only the directional keys, the numbers and the OK button work. been trying alsorts :|

[11:59:47]

Juski:

anyway...

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kayelem:

Deathwish`, I'm going to be, but it's not arrived yet

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Deathwish`:

heh

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Deathwish`:

good luck ;E

[12:02:03]

kayelem:

I found some reference to getting the remote working, though – just tring to find it

[12:02:15]

** haj has the remote, but didn't try it yet.. **

[12:02:31]

Deathwish`:

its weird

[12:02:34]

haj:

since i'm using a Xbox as frontend... i don't really need it :)

[12:02:38]

Deathwish`:

some keys work, but others dont

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Deathwish`:

and cat /dev/input/event2 goes crazy when you press a key

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haj:

Deathwish`: isn't lircd just missing some configuration?

[12:03:24]

Deathwish`:

thats what I thought

[12:03:40]

Deathwish`:

i've tried all the confs on the Wiki and the KnoppMyth forums

[12:03:44]

kayelem:

Deathwish`, I think it is a configuration issue; I can't remember properly but think you'll need to map the rest of the keys yourself

[12:04:09]

Deathwish`:

i see

[12:04:12]

kayelem:

I am expecting "fun" when mine turns up

[12:04:20]

Deathwish`:

:O

[12:04:40]

Deathwish`:

I have an MCE remote too but that just doens't do anything :E

[12:04:56]

Arcainus:

Deathwish`, give it to me *g*

[12:05:09]

Deathwish`:

o/

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kayelem:

Deathwish`, is yours "the newer Hauppauge grey top / black underside unit. It takes a pair of AAA batteries and has 46 buttons."

[12:06:14]

kayelem:

(where I guess "grey" may be interchangeable with "silver" ?

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Deathwish`:

silver on top

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Deathwish`:

blue bottom, AAA batts

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kayelem:

I remember reading this and thinkin "ah, this will be fun..." http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . mote_Control

[12:07:06]

Deathwish`:

A415-HPG-WE inside the batttery casing

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kayelem:

I'll just have to see what happens when the card turns up and i try it... (second try at getting a card, first one arrived damaged.)

[12:08:59]

Deathwish`:

kk

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hashbang:

kayelem: the nova-t remotes work just fine

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Deathwish`:

oh rly

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Deathwish`:

:D

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hashbang:

kayelem: the card will force ir-common.ko to be loaded.

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hashbang:

which in turn will show up as a node under /dev/input

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kayelem:

hashbang, ah, cool... less hassle than I was expecting

[12:11:36]

hashbang:

you bind lircd to that, and that gives you /dev/lircd

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kayelem:

I'd rather be fixing with the weird stuff thrown up by running on a 405-line mono TV than faffing with the remote ;-)

[12:12:53]

hashbang:

kayelem: generate a /etc/lircd.conf something like http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=NovaSPlusHowTo

[12:13:50]

hashbang:

then use something like http://www.udenix.nl/mythtv/lircrc

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hashbang:

for the $HOME/.lircrc and $HOME/mythtv/lircrc

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kayelem:

hashbang, cheers, I'll make a note of that

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hashbang:

and the FC4 kernel is already patched to handle it perfectly, so that's one step commonly referenced that you can skip

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kayelem:

heh... Slackware here...

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hashbang:

well, if you will do everything the hard way. :-)

[12:16:17]

kayelem:

Shouldn't be a problem; I've run heavily-patched kernels for low-latency audio stuff... TV comes out easier than trying to use a PC for multitrack recording.

[12:17:46]

znoG:

could changing the channel names cause mythbackend to randomly segfault? it was real stable before until I decided to change the channel names

[12:18:04]

null:

Is mythtv localized?

[12:18:21]

stuarta:

null: yes

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null:

thanks

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Merlin83b:

Hello

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stuarta:

hey Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

Hi stuarta, how have the past couple of weeks been?

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stuarta:

busy

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Merlin83b:

Busy myth-wise or busy outside of that?

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stuarta:

mainly outside, only had time to help ppl debug, not write much code

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Merlin83b:

Fair enough, anything exciting making you busy?

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stuarta:

GF

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stuarta:

;-)

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Merlin83b:

Ah, a good reason :-)

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stuarta:

happily though, scanning is vastly improved, still needs work tho

[12:50:41]

Cromz:

ok so like cause I have 2 pvr350s and lirc picked up on the remote input of them. the serial xmiter got pushed to needing a 3rd instance of lircd.. but it all works now..

[12:51:37]

Cromz:

wished there was a site that coulda explained it alittle bit clearer

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stuarta:

feel free to edit the wiki with your new found wisdom...

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Cromz:

hmm might do that stuarta ;) have to think how to word it.

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Merlin83b:

Ooh, worth an update to svn then?

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Cromz:

the thing I needed wasn't so much 'step by step' how to. those dont work sometimes.. I needed more of a 'this is the basics of how this works'

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stuarta:

it's always worth an update, but how often do you rescan you channels?

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stuarta:

Cromz: they are far more useful anyone, Once you write it, I might test it :)

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Merlin83b:

Oh, scanning. I read that as EIT scanning.

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Merlin83b:

I don't think I've scanned for channels in months :-)

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stuarta:

working on both types :)

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stuarta:

but channel scanning most recently

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TheFloyd:

'morning all

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TheFloyd:

what additional libraries are required for enabling firewire support in myth? I've been trying to find the answers on the wiki and google, to no avail

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haj:

firewire? firewire tvcards?

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haj:

or?

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TheFloyd:

firewire as in grab from my cable box

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TheFloyd:

or attempt it

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haj:

oh.. don't know about that :) if it turns up as a video-device it should work.. isn't it more like Linux-support you need?

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TheFloyd:

nevermind, out of nowhere my ./configure started to behave

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TheFloyd:

no matter what I was doing, I was getting firewire support: no

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TheFloyd:

I just reran config, and got FireWire support yes

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havoc:

it's helps to remove config.cache before you rerun ./configure

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TheFloyd:

yeah

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TheFloyd:

that seems to have made it a lot more happy ;)

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TheFloyd:

i think I better go downstairs and get coffee before I make another dumb mistake

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TheFloyd:

;)

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thebrasse:

Hello! Does anyone here know anything about ACPI wakup on the EPIA SP13000? Is it supposed to work?

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alex777:

hm, mythweb times out when I try to see the Listings because there's like 500+ channels from my dish channel lineup

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alex777:

how can I fix the 30sec timeout ?

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praet:

lo folks

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drdaz:

hey there... I'm trying to install fc4 on my box and need to install a kernel rpm manually to get support for my net card... unfortunately I'm getting told that module-init-tools (a dep) is not an rpm and when trying to install the kernel I'm told there is an md5 mismatch...

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drdaz:

I've installed this rpm previously and have tried downloading it from several sources...

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drdaz:

u may be wondering how this is on-topic... well I had an HD crash and my mythbox is currently just a terminal

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drdaz:

more or less :)

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drdaz:

:) == :-S

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drdaz:

anybody got any idea why this is occuring?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I still stayed up for another hour and looked at SwissCenter — it's all PHP based with an SQL database...

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Roger_the_alien:

it must be time for beer by now

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Beirdo:

if you're awake, it's time for beer

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Roger_the_alien:

not sure I'm awake

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Roger_the_alien:

just had to explain to a manager why you can't have a number as high as 272 in an IP address :-/

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: How'd the 'system move' go last-night?

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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Beirdo:

I don't remember what we were talking about

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: wasn't it you that a customer called to move their system 'now' and you were a few drinks deep by then... ;-)

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Beirdo:

nope :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Roger_the_alien:

I'd have done it anyway

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Beirdo:

I don't have to deal with customers.. thank GOD

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Beirdo:

damn, I missed the first few Jays games

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Beirdo:

I suck

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops... Guess my brian is mixed up... Maybe I should have had a few...

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Beirdo:

the rest will be captured to MP3 :) Streaming radio rules

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Beirdo:

Toronto Blue Jays CKTB 610 0.726 32kbit/s [ffwmav2 ]

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Beirdo:

Episode: vs Devil Rays – Fri 07 Apr 2006 07:07:00 PM EDT

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Beirdo:

From: Fri Apr 7 18:52:00 2006 to Fri Apr 7 23:02:00 2006 48kbit/s

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Beirdo:

muhahahah

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Beirdo:

oh, the power of the internet

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: What are you using to capture the stream to mp3?

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Beirdo:

my own scripts :)

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Beirdo:

which use mplayer

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J-e-f-f-A:

kewl.

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Beirdo:

then lame

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Beirdo:

MLB is so nice, they have a broadcast schedule

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Beirdo:

which is a nicely formatted HTML table

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** Roger_the_alien looks forward to the mythtv patch to do the same thing ;-) **

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Beirdo:

scraaaape

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Beirdo:

L(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe some day you could put it all together in something named "MythStreamRecord" perhaps?!?

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Roger_the_alien: we think alike!

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Beirdo:

maybe

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Beirdo:

but someone will have to convince me first

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Beirdo:

I don't really want this running Qt

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Beirdo:

this is all perl scripts

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: -> Subliminal message transmittal --> "Hey, maybe you should put it all together as a package for myth?" ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I may get convinced to make a MythWeb frontend or something

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Beirdo:

but for now, I have no real plans to integrate this into the backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's the spirit! ;-) MythWeb is the bomb! (And that's totally ok with me...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(ie: only having an interface via mythweb to record streams...)

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kRutOn:

Is this just streams from the Intarweb?

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Ruis:

I purchased a Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 (dual tuners) and now I'm thinking about upgrading my comcast cable to something above non-basic cable. Does anyone know if it's possible to make this card work with non-basic channels and have both tuners work? It's only got one coax input on the card, and both tuners use it.

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Beirdo:

kRutOn: yup. with scheduling

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: The PVR500 is analog. You'll only be able to tune 'basic' (aka analog) channels with that card.

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Ruis:

does comcast have a box that outputs all non-basic channels in analog?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: For digital cable, you'll need a HD tuner that can tune digital channels — I think the HD3000 is one, but again, they can only tune non-encrypted channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Probably — But your best bet might be to find one that has Firewire output and support in Myth...

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: I already have a schedule output in HTML, etc. The scheduling is all MySQL-based, so adding a web frontend to insert new shows, etc should be not too hard

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praet:

anyone know what they call the peice thats soldered into a speaker wire that limits the output for tweeters?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Awesome. Hey, even if it's not integrated directly with MythWeb, it would still be useful...

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Beirdo:

hell yeah

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Beirdo:

but it will need a bit more work to generalize it, etc

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Beirdo:

and be forewarned... you will need a LOT of disk

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Beirdo:

as it captures to PCM, then runs lame

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: No rush here — And I've got pleanty of disk... will 760GB LVM do?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

good man

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jasta:

i'm up to 80% usage on my 600GB RAID5 :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

I had 600GB of recordings until a week ago... I was fiddling with a script to create 'human readable' links for my mediaplayer, and I executed a "rm -f *.mpg" in my "recordings" directory instead of my 'mediaplayer" directory, and by the time I realize what I had done (about 10 seconds), it was too late...

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Beirdo:

I have a RAID5 of 900G with LVM on it

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Beirdo:

(4*300G SATA drives)

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kRutOn:

I'm thinking of switching to Lustre and upgrading from 4x200GB disks in a RAID5 to 4x400GB disks and using it for /home on all the machines too

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kRutOn:

let's try to overcomplicate as much as we can!

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jasta:

Beirdo: i'm very close to putting another in.

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Beirdo:

one can never have enough disk when playing with multimedia stuff

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jasta:

Beirdo: problem is, i dont boot off the volume, so i gotta pick up another IDE controller.

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praet:

why a 4 disk raid?

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praet:

isnt 3 disks enough

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

because I want more storage

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jasta:

praet: 3 is a minimum requirement of RAID5.

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J-e-f-f-A:

So I lost everything I had recorded since upgrading to .19 on 3/22...

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praet:

so you stripa across four?

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Beirdo:

the controller will do 4, I use 4

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Beirdo:

RAID5

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praet:

wow

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Beirdo:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

One can never have enough storage!

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jasta:

i intend to add another drive to my 3 drive RAID5 setup very soon.

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Beirdo:

and then use LVM to carve the RAID5 into filesystems

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jasta:

a friend of mine uses RAID6 on 14 drives :)

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kRutOn:

jasta: If you use software RAID there are some patches to grow RAID5

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praet:

if a drive goes down in a 3 disk setup, do you need to replace it immediately?

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Beirdo:

yes

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jasta:

kRutOn: I do use software RAID, and I know how to grow it.

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jasta:

praet: No, but you should.

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Beirdo:

I use an Adaptec HW RAID controller

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jasta:

I used to have my software RAID5 on a PII 350. Bad idea ;)

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Beirdo:

yes, you have to replace it or risk RAID volume failure when the next disk dies

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: and you still have cycles left to run Myth?

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J-e-f-f-A:

* I guess that should read *had*, since you used the past tense...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Roger_the_alien:

time to go

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J-e-f-f-A:

c'ya

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J-e-f-f-A:

he must be in the UK... it's only 12:14 here... ;-)

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: well, the RAID5 box was not the MythBox, of course.

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jasta:

but yeah, I moved it to an Athlon XP 2600+. It performs much better now.

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jasta:

In fact, I am once again limited by disk I/O.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: My current backend is a dual PIII 866 w/512mb Rambus and 4x200 ATA133 ide LVM and 18GB scsi for os... Works great as a backend, and most of it is 'recycled' spare parts from old pc's they threw out at work...

[16:17:45]

jasta:

well, my PII 350 has been my router for a long time. Handles all the usual networking business.

[16:18:04]

jasta:

i decided to make it the fileserver when i went raid too, but that was just way too much.

[16:18:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: So all I've got into that I had to buy are the 4x200GB drives, the ATA133 controller, and the tuner cards... Everything else was free!

[16:18:16]

jasta:

so i bought a brand new workstation and used my old one for powering the RAID and all the network infrastructure.

[16:18:24]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I miss the days of getting old pc's thrown out at work (well, actually, we got them from realnetworks, but it was just as good)

[16:18:43]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: My myth box is entirely separate to all of this. It is a MiniITX computer that runs in our upstairs recroom.

[16:19:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: What MB? EPIA?

[16:19:16]

jasta:

xris: My server and myth boxes boot off 2 and 3GB drives respectively. Where do you think I found those gems? :)

[16:19:23]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, EPIA M10K.

[16:19:47]

jasta:

It works great (expect of course for GOOM in full screen *grin*)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasat: kewl... Is that fast enough (with the onboard hardware decoding) to playback HDTV content?

[16:20:18]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't know, we don't have any HDTV signals.

[16:20:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Did you see my comment about SwissCenter before you logged off a little bit ago?

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jasta:

In fact, we don't presently even have cable. The box is hooked up to the biggest TV we have in house and we use it to play DVDs and Music, of which we have a LOT :)

[16:21:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: Humm... I'll have to do some research... I like the fact that that mb can be setup as a very quiet frontend, and with an appropriate case, with no fan at all...

[16:21:36]

jasta:

Of course I don't mean actual DVD media :)

[16:22:23]

jasta:

I only wish I had bought an IR remote control instead of these crummy RF ones.

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Ruis:

can the pvr500 dual tuner card tune from the coax input and the svideo input at the same time?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yes, but the s-video on the card itself is on the 1st tuner.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: there's a header at the top of the board for a cable set for the video/audio inputs for the 2nd tuner.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: So if you don't have the header, the 1st tuner would be used for your s-video input, and the 2nd for your analog tuning.

[16:24:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: My pvr-500 came with the cable set that mounts to a slot cover... Did yours?

[16:25:24]

Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, i haven't received it yet.

[16:26:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, maybe it has it then. I run my PVR-500 with two Dish Receivers feeding S-Video & audio into both tuners. I change the channels with IR blasters.

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Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, i purchased it from newegg, and the product page shows a extra slot thing that plugs into the card. is that the header you're talking about?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yeah, it plugs into one of the two white headers on the top of the pvr-500 — One header is for the 2nd tuner, and the other is for another set of video inputs to the first tuner (ie Svideo1 on the 1st tuner)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: What do you have for a tuner now (if any?)

[16:29:12]

Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, ok that makes sense. can both tuners use the same coax input at the same time though?

[16:29:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yes.

[16:29:33]

Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, i don't have anything. this is my first mythbox. all the parts should be here monday.

[16:30:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: So Tuner 1 will be able to tune -either- Analog RF or Video input, and the same with Tuner 2. It's like having two completely seperate PVR-150's, but with just one common RF input.

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Ruis:

oh. ok.

[16:31:02]

Ruis:

another newb question. svideo can only carry one channel at a time, right?

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Beirdo:

OK, lunch time

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yes — S-video is just a video signal. What is your tuner?

[16:32:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

(ie cable box, sattelite?)

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Ruis:

it would be a cable box. i'm on basic cable right now thinking of upgrading my subscription.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: The pvr-500 will be able to tune in the analog, non-scrambled channels directly... For the scrambled or digital channels, you'll probably have to come out of the cable box s-video and change the channels on the box with an IR blaster or possible serial cable (if the box is so equpped)

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Ruis:

ok. that makes sense. thanks

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: If you can do a little soldering, you can make your own ir blaster for just a few $ — otherwise you can buy a pre-made one for around $25 online — check out http://lirc.org

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Ruis:

ok. thanks.

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Ediehow:

i have xvmc working with nvidia, twinview, on right monitor, watching recording, but on left screen, using firefox, and when i go to links and stuff in firefox, the video jumps on the right

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: It jumps, or 'skips'?

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Ediehow:

skips

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: how fast is your processor? Perhaps it's close to 100% busy just doing the video playback, and that click in firefox temporarily pops it to 100%, causing it to skip on the video...

[16:40:57]

Ediehow:

no, it's at around 24%

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Ediehow:

2ghz athlon

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laga:

maybe you can get better performance by using the 'realtime priority' stuff in mythtv.

[16:41:34]

Ediehow:

21%

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J-e-f-f-A:

laga, Ediehow: Would 'nice' help too? (on firefox?)

[16:41:46]

Ediehow:

well, it's not just firefox

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Ediehow:

other apps do it, too

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Deathwish`:

how can I get the % of cpu being used? :D

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Ediehow:

gnome-system-monitor

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish: or top

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Deathwish`:

k ta

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Deathwish`:

:D

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Deathwish`:

excellent

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish: for Top, take the %id (idle time), and subtract it from 100...

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laga:

jemarcks_: maybe. or on mythfrontend ;)

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Deathwish`:

ahh ok so 91% would be 9% cpu used

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish: Or just add up the User% and System% usage... But the idle% is easier IMHO.

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Deathwish`:

gotcha

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Deathwish`:

cheers :D

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Ediehow:

i am wondering if i should upgrade to a sata drive which would require a sata card

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: So your OS and root filesystem are on the same drive as the myth files?

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Ediehow:

yes

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Ediehow:

hdparm /dev/hda

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Ediehow:

/dev/hda:

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Ediehow:

multcount = 16 (on)

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Ediehow:

IO_support = 1 (32-bit)

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Ediehow:

unmaskirq = 1 (on)

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Ediehow:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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Ediehow:

keepsettings = 0 (off)

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Ediehow:

readonly = 0 (off)

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Ediehow:

readahead = 256 (on)

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Ediehow:

geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 117231408, start = 0

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eidehow: You can probably make due with putting another drive on the 2nd ide bus, and moving your myth directory onto it....

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Ediehow:

it's not just myth, it's any video:(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Humm... Not sure what else to suggest at this point — My system has a SCSI disk for the OS & root, and a JFS LVM for myth content... And I don't use dual-screens on my Myth boxes.

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Coder1:

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Coder1:

I got my CPU usage down to 12%

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Coder1:

yay 5% now

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: sorry... Hopefully someone else can pick up the ball from here...

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Ediehow:

even mplayer /dev/video0

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: What was it?

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Ediehow:

has the same problem

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Coder1:

I went and bought a new display card GF FX 5200 for Â£25

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Coder1:

and enabled XVid extensions

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: hehe... that will do it! ;-)

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Coder1:

(after some wrestling with the xorg.conf)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: so 25 pounds is about $45 USD?

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Ediehow:

how do you determinte if xvids are being used?

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Coder1:

uase

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Coder1:

use

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Coder1:

xvinfo

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Coder1:

in a terminal in X

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Coder1:

if you get an error "extension "IVideo" not available on display :0"

[16:52:37]

Coder1:

then you need to faff with the xorg config file

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Coder1:

yeah about $45 :(

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Coder1:

and I have grey OSD like you said

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Deathwish`:

using a 5200 is my box here

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Deathwish`:

in

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Deathwish`:

hoping to get Tv-Out working soon

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Deathwish`:

:S

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Coder1:

it's not working?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: that doesn't seem that bad of a price though... I don't think you got ripped off...

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Coder1:

do you have a monitor plugged in?

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Deathwish`:

got a monitor and a tv plugged in atm

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Coder1:

ah, you either need to unplug the monitor. Or setup "twinview"

[16:54:17]

Deathwish`:

just looking for some FAQ's on t'internet

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Ediehow:

xvinfo

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Ediehow:

X-Video Extension version 2.2

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Deathwish`:

ah reet

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Coder1:

J-e-f-f-a: yeah, I thought it was worth it to get this working properly :)

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Coder1:

oh yeah, you need to make sure you choose Xvid in the Config for display settings

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Coder1:

in the MythTV config

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Do you mean 'xvmc' instead of 'xvid'?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: ie: "Standard XvMC"

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Coder1:

I mean this

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Coder1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVideo

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Coder1:

yeah you're right it's XvMC in the myth settings

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J-e-f-f-A:

kewl...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Now I just need to build a faster frontend to handle HDTV... My 1Ghz PIII with 512Mb PC133 memory is just barely not fast enough using xvmc...

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Ediehow:

i am using xvmc in myth settings

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alex777:

hm, mythweb times out when I try to see the Listings because there's like 500+ channels from my dish channel lineup

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alex777:

how can I fix the 30sec timeout ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777: I don't know how to change the timeout, but when I optimized my sql database it improved response a ton...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: What's your video card — It's an Nvidia, but which model...

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Coder1:

yay! I can pause live TV. I wonder when the novelty of that will wear off 8-D

[17:06:54]

laga:

Coder1: never, because lots of mythtv users don't use livetv at all. :)

[17:07:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: it becomes so addictive... When you're over a friend's house, and they dont even have Tivo, never mind Myth, and you say "rewind that so I can see it again"... oops, can't do that here!

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Coder1:

lol

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TheFloyd:

or better yet

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TheFloyd:

after watching lots of recordings

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TheFloyd:

then trying to commercial-skip live TV

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alex777:

J-e-f-f-A what do you mean you optimized your sql database ?

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jasta:

i still need to finish my script to import all my previously collected TV shows

[17:08:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... yep. I've done that too... Don't watch much live tv anymore...

[17:08:24]

jasta:

i wonder, does mythtv's recording management operate gracefully for very large amounts of stored TV shows?

[17:08:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – There's a script, I think in the contrib directory IIRC, that will optimize the database.

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jasta:

as in, thousands of individual recordings?

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alex777:

ok, I will look into it, thanks J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – mine shows up in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl — I think you have to check that it's got the right login/pw before you execute it though...

[17:10:17]

alex777:

another question, if I change my channel lineup in zap2it, and I do a mythfilldatabase, will the channels which I removed be removed from mythtv also ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't think they'll start to dissapear until 14 days later... You could just delete them manually with MythWeb's channel editor screen, or better yet, just make them 'invisible' via mythweb...

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jasta:

optimize_mythtv.pl doesn't do what you think it does.

[17:13:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: ? What do you mean? It does optimize the mythconverge tables – that speeds up database operations...

[17:13:46]

alex777:

is there a command to clear the database and then rerun mythfilldatabase ?

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jasta:

highly unlikely.

[17:14:01]

alex777:

I mean I can use sql and erase the entries in the table also

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: I know it's not like a 'deframent' of a hard disk, but it does help sql to have a better idea of how the data in the database is stored, and it is able to access it faster. It makes about a 50% improvement in my case if I only run it about once a week...

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alex777:

mine is set in cron.daily

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alex777:

seems to be like that w/ knoppmyth

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J-e-f-f-A:

*defragment — oops...

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A:

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: [10:17] <alex777> mine is set in cron.daily

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jasta:

[10:17] <alex777> seems to be like that w/ knoppmyth

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jasta:

oops :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – Yeah, I should do the same. I've got Dish too, but only Encore, so I removed all the movie channels. But if you add in 'sky angel', there's another 32 entries there...

[17:18:57]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/optimize-table.html

[17:19:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: thx... looking at it now...

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: Does that seem to you like an operation that MythTV's MySQL usage would benefit from substantially?

[17:23:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: Well, for the channel listings, probably. With 500+ channel listings being updated daily, I'd imagine at least that table gets pretty fragmented... So maybe alex777 and I could get buy with just optimizing that table (or tables) daily.

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J-e-f-f-A:

*by

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta, alex777: But it's probably easier to just run the optimise script daily — it's not going to hurt any, right?

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Ruis:

can mythtv be setup to have different channels available on two different tuners? like if one tuner was coming from a satellite reciever and one from cable?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yes, as long as they're different channel numbers in Myth.

[17:36:34]

xris:

I think myth can display things just fine with the same channum

[17:36:38]

xris:

it works internally by id.

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Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, so you can map a myth channel number to a different source channel?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Even if they're the same 'physical' channel, you could change one to a different channel number.

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Ruis:

oh. ok.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xirs, Ruis: Yeah, xris is right — it will display both in the listings.

[17:38:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris, Ruis: Just if you were using 'live tv" (not many peope do anymore...), you couldnt' change from one to the other by typing the channel number if they both had the same number. (xris, right? Or would it alternate between the two...)

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Ruis:

if I select one channel, will it know it needs to use tuner x and use the irBlaster, but for another channel, it uses the other tuner without the irBlaster?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Yes — each 'source' has it's own set of 'rules'...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: So your "Cable Box" source would have a channel-chaning script,

[17:39:43]

Ruis:

hrm. ok. mythtv is more advanced than I though it was.

[17:39:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: And your "Analog Cable" source would not.

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Ruis:

sweet

[17:40:29]

Ruis:

i just can record two shows on the cable box source at the same time.

[17:40:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: I'm doing basically the same thing with an over-the-air HD tuner, and 3 external sat tuners via svid and ir blasters...

[17:40:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Does the box have two s-video outputs?

[17:41:10]

Ruis:

i don't have a cable box yet. just thinking about the future.

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Ruis:

some cable boxes have two s-video outputs and you can tune each s-video output seperately?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: Many of the newer 'dual tuner' cable and Sat boxes have an IR remote for the 1st tuner, and an RF remote for the 2nd tuner — The 1st tuner I know has RF and video outs, but I think most of the 2nd tuners only have rf out...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: There's two issues there though as far as Myth is concerned...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: 1) How do you tune the 2nd tuner in the box since its RF remote instead of IR... and 2) If there's no video outputs on the 2nd tuner (only rf output), the quality will suffer compared to S-video...

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Ruis:

i think I can live with the quality suffering. but the rf remote is the trick.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: I hope I'm not confusing the hell out of you... I guess my last few lines were 'assuming' that you were to get a 'dual-tuner' cable box...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: You could just get one box, and see if you can get most of the channels you want via the analog tuner in the PVR-500 first to decide if you need a 2nd box or not...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: (IE: tune the 'premium' channels in on the cable box -> svideo, and the analog channels on CableTV -> PVR 500 RF)

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Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, no. you made total sense.

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Ediehow:

i just don't get it

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Ediehow:

the cpu usage is down

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Ruis:

J-e-f-f-A, thanks again.

[17:49:23]

Ediehow:

under 20%

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Ediehow:

but when i do firefox stuff

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Ediehow:

it clips video

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Is this a combined FE/BE?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ruis: no problemo...

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Ediehow:

yes, combined

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Ediehow:

but it

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Ediehow:

is all video stuff

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Is your 'backend' server name configured in mythtv-setup as 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1', or your 'real' ip? If it's set to the 'real' ip, I think it has to go through the IP stack, but if it's localhost or 127... I think it bypasses the IP stack and is faster...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: oh — even non-myth stuff...

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Ediehow:

like, a dvd

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Ediehow:

or mplayer /dev/video0

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Chicago:

Do any of you running gentoo recommend using SVN?

[17:53:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: So you've probably got some tweaking to do with the videocard settings... Humm... Which car dod you have again?

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Ediehow:

nvidia 6200

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Ediehow:

like, if i scroll up with firefox it starts chunking video

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Ediehow:

but not with xchat

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keen:

Hola a todos?

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keen:

este canal es solo en inglÃ©s?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Humm... In the early days of dual-output video cards, the 2nd display was often much less powerful than the 1st — If that's the case, then 'swapping' your displays may help. (IE: putting your video output on the 1st output and your 'user' screen on the 2nd output) ... Used to help in widoze...

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Ediehow:

i don't think this is an early day dual output video card;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

keen: I don't know, but I only speak english...

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Ediehow:

but i had the same problem with a radeon 9600se before this

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kormoc:

the 6200 had dual 400 mhz ramdacs

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kormoc:

*has

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, Ediehow's issue is really strange, as it's been going on for months and yet noone knows why

[17:58:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: No, but I wasn't sure if they 'fixed' that little design flaw or not... I haven't followed them that closely lately...

[17:58:05]

keen:

this channel is only in english?

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kormoc:

keen, yeah

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keen:

ok

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keen:

tx

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Ediehow:

kormoc: i was considering buying a sata drive, but i don't know if that'd make a difference

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kormoc:

keen, for the most part at least

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edoardo|office:

hi gals, hi dudes : )

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Ediehow:

kormoc: but i DO know it doesn't seem to be as bad, if present at all, in XP

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edoardo|office:

you guys, how do i watch tv on gnu/linux? or, what is the best tv tuner and the most compatible with gnu/linux? best brand at least : ) thankyou! : )

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keen:

ok

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keen:

thanks

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kormoc:

Ediehow, run vmstat 1 and watch the IO numbers, if they hit huge, then sata might help

[17:59:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Could you drop in a PCI video card and try moving your video output to it instead?

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kormoc:

edoardo|office, buy a pvr 150

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edoardo|office:

i forgot to mention

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J-e-f-f-A:

edoardo|office , kormoc: Yep – Hauppauge PVR-150 (or for a dual-tuner card, seek a PVR-500)

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edoardo|office:

good, but possibly cheap : D

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Ediehow:

i have pvr 150

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kormoc:

edoardo|office, it's around $60 or so, cheapest you can get that is good

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J-e-f-f-A:

Really good!

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edoardo|office:

like i see a lot of tuners 'round fifty euros, and all i need is for them to work and get a tv signal... but i dunno if they're compatible with the gnu and linux you know? : )

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irc:

hey all

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edoardo|office:

why does amazon say it costs two hundred bucks? : D

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meushi:

edoardo|office: seriously, spend a bit more and get an hauppauge pvr-150... well worth it

[18:01:52]

Ediehow:

http://pastebin.com/646496

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Ediehow:

kormoc:

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meushi:

edoardo|office: 200-ish is the 500

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edoardo|office:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006FS2IQ/1 . . . amp;n=172282

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WHiTEBOX:

im behind windows atm

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: Sorry, I stepped out.

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meushi:

edoardo|office: by searching a bit, you'll find the pvr-150 for between E65 and E99 in europe

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edoardo|office:

WHiTEBOX, too bad dude : )

[18:02:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

edoardo|office – and the 500 is a dual-tuner card. The 150 is a single-tuner. They have hardware MPEG encoders onboard.

[18:02:43]

Chicago:

Does anybody here recommend using SVN on gentoo?

[18:02:44]

kormoc:

edoardo|office, there's differnet packages, the cheapest is around $60 us.

[18:02:44]

jasta:

AFAIK, The channel listings are not updated, they are inserted.

[18:02:48]

WHiTEBOX:

indeed :/ can anyone check it this works in mplayer

[18:02:49]

WHiTEBOX:

http://212.227.99.142:10050;stream.nsv

[18:03:01]

jasta:

insert operations would not benefit from any kind of defragmentation process, and the index should be managed by the insert.

[18:03:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: how about selects?

[18:03:17]

Ediehow:

kormoc: did you see that output?

[18:03:25]

edoardo|office:

uhm... our budget would be seventy euros tops, which is about eighty bucks : )

[18:03:30]

meushi:

edoardo|office: usual "let's show the MSRP price of the model the day it was released so suckers think they get a good deal here" trick :)

[18:03:31]

jasta:

The index is lazily updated when UPDATE and DELETEs are performed, which is what OPTIMIZE TABLE exists for. That said, MySQL will still not allow the database to just degrade to shit because you didn't run that command.

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kormoc:

edoardo|office, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00064GI2O/r . . . amp;n=172282

[18:03:51]

kormoc:

edoardo|office, newegg is cheaper still

[18:04:03]

kormoc:

Ediehow, yeah, doesn't look too bad.

[18:04:03]

meushi:

kormoc: newegg doesn't deliver in europe

[18:04:05]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: What about them?

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xris:

kormoc: won't help him much if he's in italy

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kormoc:

meushi, does amazon?

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meushi:

kormoc: yup

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WHiTEBOX:

ofcourse

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kormoc:

ohh, nifty

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: SELECT operations are optimized by indices, which are properly maintained by INSERT statements under normal operation.

[18:04:33]

WHiTEBOX:

newegg doenst? @_@

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edoardo|office:

well amazon don't deliver in europe either. not electorncs : (

[18:04:39]

xris:

kormoc: amazon.co.uk, etc, too

[18:04:47]

meushi:

WHiTEBOX: or that changed recently

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xris:

edoardo|office: do you have dvb-t in italy?

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kormoc:

newegg doesn't deliver to canada, so I really doubt it will in eruope

[18:05:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: Humm... Well, it seems to help the mythweb listings come up about 50% faster after optimizing...

[18:05:45]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: It seems to, but it may not be doing a damn thing :)

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edoardo|office:

xris, i think we're one of the most advanced countries tv wise, not that i'm proud of it, as i fuckin' hate tv. but i have no idea what dvb is. explain? : )

[18:05:52]

Ediehow:

kormoc: so you don;t think it's a Hard drive issue?

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xris:

edoardo|office: digital broadcast

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: That said, MySQL table indices can become seriously degraded.

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xris:

dvb-t is "terrestrial" ala over-the-air, dvb-c is cable, dvb-s is satellite

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jasta:

Large volumes of DELETE and UPDATE statements can just ruin the efficiency of the indices.

[18:06:33]

kormoc:

Ediehow, well, given your only using about 550 max blocks read and 550 max blocks write a second, not really, I wouldn't imagine

[18:06:40]

xris:

it's what most of the world uses for digital tv, except north america and a few others.

[18:06:47]

Ediehow:

i just can't figure out what i need to do

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edoardo|office:

xris, all i can say is this. we've had digital tv through satellite since over ten years. but here at the office we don't need it, and all we've got is regular tv

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jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: But unless MythTV happens to be doing that, OPTIMIZE TABLE is unlikely to have any significant effect.

[18:07:10]

xris:

edoardo|office: anyway, IF you have a dvb signal, you're better off with a dvb-t card than an analog encoder card

[18:07:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: so dvb-t is the UK/rest-of-the-world equivalent of our us ATSC?

[18:07:22]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah.

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kormoc:

Ediehow, with a block size of 512 bits, that's 34 kilobytes per second or so, not much at all

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edoardo|office:

xris, we've got dvb-t too, but not at the office

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xris:

except that it predates atsc by a long shot.

[18:07:46]

xris:

edoardo|office: ok, just throwing it out there as an idea...

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edoardo|office:

thankyou! : )

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edoardo|office:

so, the pvr 150

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xris:

yup

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xris:

best/cheapest choice for good quality analog recordings

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kormoc:

the MCE edition is usually the cheapest package the pvr 150 comes in

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edoardo|office:

where would i look for it? provided i am doin' a pernsonal research on the matter. askin' for some side help too though : )

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: But isn't that waht myth is doing when it's updating the listings? Deleting 500 channels of listings for 24 hours, then inserting about the same amount again?

[18:09:20]

jasta:

That I do not know. I would assume that it would only be performing INSERT operations.

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kormoc:

it likely deletes the data from a few days ago if not yesterday

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jasta:

Why would they do that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasta: Well, it has to roll off the old stuff somehow... ;-) The db would get really, really big if it didn't delete old stuff! ;-)

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xris:

edoardo|office: unfortunately, I have no idea where to get tech stuff in europe. you might pop into #mythtv-de and ask one of the germans (esp. if you're in the north and could get TO germany if needed)

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kormoc:

jasta, cause keeping a few years of old recorded data that you don't need is wasteful?

[18:10:23]

jasta:

J-e-f-f-A: It should not be doing it in that way, though.

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kormoc:

why not?

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laga:

*peeks up*

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WHiTEBOX:

@_@

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WHiTEBOX:

Please wait while we connect you to a Newegg representative. You are number 17 in the queue.

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WHiTEBOX:

All Newegg representatives are currently assisting other customers. Thank you for your patience. An agent will be with you shortly.

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kormoc:

what's wrong with DELETE FROM listing WHERE date < oldest date to keep?

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WHiTEBOX:

O_o

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xris:

laga: edoardo|office is looking for a pvr-150... he's in italy. any recommendations?

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jasta:

hang on, let me look up the dev.mysql.com article.

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WHiTEBOX:

kormoc < oldest?

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WHiTEBOX:

there aint anything older than oldest :/

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kormoc:

WHiTEBOX, yeah, less then the date you want to keep

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J-e-f-f-A:

good catch! hehe...

[18:12:39]

kormoc:

I did say oldest date to keep, which has keep modifying type oldest date :P

[18:12:51]

laga:

xris: uh, no. :)

[18:12:56]

** armand yawns **

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armand:

this friday needs to go by a little faster :)

[18:14:10]

laga:

armand: it's already 8:13pm for me. and easter break has started today :)

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armand:

bastard :D

[18:14:40]

laga:

:)

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meushi:

edoardo|office: any MediaMarkt in your area?

[18:15:12]

edoardo|office:

yeah the point is i can't order it cause i need it tomorrow night tops

[18:15:19]

edoardo|office:

better tomorrow mornin'

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xris:

laga: nothing like amazon.eu? heh... amazon.de doesn't deliver to italy?

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Ediehow:

kormoc: so you don't think it's a HD issue at all?

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edoardo|office:

so i need to find a shop in modena

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xris:

edoardo|office: then I suggest you pick up a phone and call every computer store you know of....

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kormoc:

Ediehow, hdparm -t /dev/hda (or whatever harddrive you are using)

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edoardo|office:

which has it

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edoardo|office:

modena is fairly large

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xris:

worst case, you can get a bttv card and do software encoding.

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kormoc:

Ediehow, it if returns a speed faster then say 50 kilobytes per second, yeah, it's not the drive

[18:17:11]

edoardo|office:

well i dunno i've never heard of that brand so... is it popular? not that i care of course, just thinkin' what chances i've got to find one by tomorrow. any more popular brands or models?

[18:17:17]

edoardo|office:

which are compatible with gnu/linux? : )

[18:17:23]

phatmonkey:

anything happening about MPD support/plugin? I saw in the feature request list

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xris:

edoardo|office: bttv revers to the driver used for the bt8x8 and some connexant chipsets...

[18:17:45]

WHiTEBOX:

--Thank you for contacting Newegg. My name is Marcela. How may I assist you today?

[18:17:54]

WHiTEBOX:

does your company deliver products to europe?

[18:17:57]

xris:

MOST brands of software-encode tv tuner cards use one of those kinds of chips

[18:18:05]

WHiTEBOX:

--Unfortunately we do not ship internationally.

[18:18:05]

edoardo|office:

like, i found this page

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WHiTEBOX:

oh crap! thats bad. well if i go to visit your company sometime. are you willing to go take a dinner with me?

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edoardo|office:

http://essedi.it/categoria.htm?SID=&ID_CA . . . _&SHOP=5

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WHiTEBOX:

if not.. i gotta go try amazon

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edoardo|office:

are *any* of those cards supported?

[18:18:29]

WHiTEBOX:

--Unfortunately I would not be able to sir.

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WHiTEBOX:

lol :D

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edoardo|office:

i can get a hold of those i think

[18:18:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I get 60.26 MB/sec on my ATA133 LVM...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, but his vmstat shows he's only using about 34k a sec, so if his drive is going less or right around there, then it's a drive issue :P

[18:19:52]

kormoc:

Ediehow, you can also try playing with smart, to make sure you're not getting any errors

[18:20:00]

xris:

edoardo|office: unfortunately, you'll probably have to see the chipset on the card in order to tell if it works well in linux

[18:20:03]

kormoc:

edoardo|office, http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cardlist.BTTV

[18:20:11]

xris:

the pinnacle pctv cards are usually ok, though

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xris:

but can't you receive dvb-t over the same antenna as normal broadcast?

[18:21:28]

edoardo|office:

xris, i think i've got a pinnacle and i think i'm lookin' for another card cause lspci -v don't even see it : D

[18:21:48]

rhp:

Hi, to avoid stability issues (which I am experiencing) I would like to enable a slave backend (always on, but connected through wifi) only when it really is supposed to be recording. Would it be possible to use the wakeup scheme for this? E.g. could I try to start mythbackend in this way?

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kormoc:

lspci is completely driver independant, so maybe your card is just dead edoardo|office

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xris:

edoardo|office: that's bad.. sounds like a broken card

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kormoc:

rhp, look up wake on lan

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J-e-f-f-A:

edoardo|office — maybe try moving it to a different slot first...

[18:22:42]

rhp:

kormoc: it is already awake

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kormoc:

rhp, you can set the master backend to wake up slaves via wake on lan.

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WHiTEBOX:

anyone who could test if nsv streams work in mplayer? -> http://212.227.99.142:10050;stream.nsv

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rhp:

the slave is already awake. However, when I leave mythbackend running and the connection is dead for a while, this also locks up the master backend.

[18:23:45]

Juski:

what's an nsv stream when it's at home?

[18:24:05]

laga:

Juski: is that a trick question?

[18:24:15]

edoardo|office:

i know it's driver independent, i thought... i dunno, for some reason it don't see it : (

[18:24:16]

opello:

WHiTEBOX: works in vlc

[18:24:20]

Juski:

nullsoft streaming video...

[18:24:21]

rhp:

kormoc, So the question is, can I use the master backend to start mythbackend on the slave.

[18:24:21]

kormoc:

rhp, so what are you asking?

[18:24:26]

kormoc:

ooh

[18:24:33]

kormoc:

not as it stands, no

[18:24:43]

opello:

oh, mplayer... sorry :)

[18:24:59]

WHiTEBOX:

vlc.. ok.. hope that it will work on mplayer o_o

[18:25:02]

WHiTEBOX:

thx ;)

[18:25:04]

rhp:

kormoc, the wake scripts only works if the host is asleep?

[18:25:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey-- do you guys leave your backends on 24x7 (like I do currently), or do you have it configured with wake-on-lan and RTC wakeups?

[18:25:19]

Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=86u&hl= . . . ch&meta=

[18:25:31]

Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: 24/7 – I need it always on

[18:25:33]

xris:

rhp: didn't you ask how to wake it up?

[18:25:47]

opello:

WHiTEBOX: mplayer playing it fine too ... oh it didn't do video in vlc

[18:26:03]

WHiTEBOX:

oh great! :D

[18:26:05]

xris:

or are you talking about starting the backend program on that other box only at certain times?

[18:26:05]

opello:

what is this, btw? :)

[18:26:37]

rhp:

xris, the second... e.g. only when it should be recording.

[18:26:39]

WHiTEBOX:

animation/demo channel 24/7

[18:26:53]

opello:

like on tv?

[18:26:58]

WHiTEBOX:

yes

[18:26:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, since I access it via mythweb remotely, and ssh,it's probably best to leave it 24x7...

[18:26:59]

opello:

wow

[18:27:03]

opello:

that's kind of neat

[18:27:15]

xris:

rhp: if the backend is disabled, the master will schedule it out and push the recordings onto other machines.

[18:27:23]

Ediehow:

kormoc: why would the video respond more negatively to multitasking with firefox than with xchat?

[18:27:29]

WHiTEBOX:

going to put my projector on myth and then watch this full screen with friend beer and weed :D

[18:27:34]

opello:

haha

[18:27:40]

kormoc:

Ediehow, firefox is a huge resource hog?

[18:28:02]

rhp:

xris, I was hoping it could start the slave backend process using the wake scripts, even though the host is already up.

[18:28:03]

WHiTEBOX:

its awsome

[18:28:06]

kormoc:

Ediehow, something on your box is not performing right, and the problem is, it's not one of the usual suspects

[18:28:17]

xris:

rhp: that's easy to do with ssh

[18:28:21]

Ediehow:

so that brings up the whole issue is whether or not it's a question of resources

[18:28:47]

Ediehow:

mythfrontend is using 16% cpu right now

[18:28:51]

rhp:

xris, true, the question is, will the master backend try this if the slave host is already awake?

[18:28:56]

Juski:

Ediehow: still battling with multitasking mythtv eh? I'd have given up &would be using 2 boxes by now

[18:29:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Ediehow: could be as simple as irq allocation... Maybe half the IRQs are allocated to the same devices?

[18:29:29]

Ediehow:

Juski: it's all video:(

[18:29:39]

Juski:

eh?

[18:29:41]

Ediehow:

firefox doesn't seem to really go above 10% cpu and causes the issues

[18:29:55]

Juski:

maybe memory bandwidth is the real problem

[18:29:55]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, when I last checked it out with him, they were properly shared and even, and raw speed tests were working fine.

[18:29:57]

Ediehow:

even youtube.com

[18:30:20]

kormoc:

flash is netoriously bad

[18:30:25]

kormoc:

it's the xchat that gets m

[18:30:25]

kormoc:

e

[18:30:35]

kormoc:

that uses next to nil resources

[18:30:52]

Ediehow:

kormoc: no, xchat DOESN'T seem to cause the problems

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kormoc:

ooh?

[18:31:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, Ediehow: pulling straws... If your BIOS has an "Enable IRQ for Video" option, is it on?

[18:31:16]

kormoc:

Ediehow, try uninstalling flash and see if firefox still does it

[18:31:28]

Ediehow:

it causes a little when i move the xchat window around, but not as much

[18:31:38]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: i am pretty positive i don't have that option

[18:31:42]

xris:

rhp: that depends on what the master backend considers "awake"... whether it just pings the machine, or whether it actually tries to talk to the slave backend.

[18:31:43]

Ediehow:

compaq support was useless, as expected

[18:31:45]

kormoc:

btw guys, new nvidia drivers are out and they fix the opengl csync issue with mythfrontend (or at least should, i can't test)

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Ediehow:

saying i needed to disable the internal video card in windows

[18:32:06]

Ediehow:

kormoc: came out when?

[18:32:13]

kormoc:

today

[18:32:15]

Ediehow:

oh

[18:32:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: So it definately sounds like an issue with your video card configuration...

[18:32:23]

Ediehow:

so they work good with myth and xvmc?

[18:32:28]

kormoc:

yeah

[18:32:30]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: had same problem with radeon 9600se:(

[18:32:32]

Ediehow:

i am SO confused

[18:32:41]

Ediehow:

kormoc: compile with 2.6.16?

[18:32:43]

Ediehow:

without patch?

[18:32:45]

kormoc:

xris, they also speed up composite with opengl as well

[18:32:51]

kormoc:

Ediehow, yup

[18:32:56]

Ediehow:

installing now, thx sir

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: yeah, I tried a 9200 on my A64 3000+ and it wouldn't even play HD. With an NV GF5500 in there now, it plays perfectly... Nvidia rules with Myth IMHO.

[18:33:35]

rhp:

xris, isn't that hardcoded in the master server?

[18:33:38]

Ediehow:

hmm

[18:33:40]

Ediehow:

Turn on computer and repeatedly tap the F1 key.

[18:33:40]

Ediehow:

Once in the BIOS, stop tapping the F1 key.

[18:33:40]

Ediehow:

Navigate to Integrated Peripherals using your arrow keys on the keyboard

[18:33:40]

Ediehow:

and hit enter.

[18:33:40]

Ediehow:

Change the Init Display First to PCI.

[18:33:41]

Ediehow:

Change the memory size to 2MB.

[18:33:43]

Ediehow:

Exit the BIOS and save changes.

[18:33:45]

Ediehow:

Once you have done this, I also recommend disabling the onboard video

[18:33:47]

Ediehow:

within Windows.

[18:33:49]

xris:

kormoc: cool. too bad I stopped using kde again. heh

[18:33:53]

Ediehow:

so you CAN disable internal video in bios?

[18:34:07]

xris:

rhp: yeah. and I don't know which it is. you'll probably just have to test it.

[18:34:21]

rhp:

xris, kormoc, thanks.

[18:35:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes, usually... but 'init display first PCI'? Does your pc not have an AGP slot?

[18:35:10]

Ediehow:

yeah, it's an agp card, that's why i don't know why he said that

[18:35:15]

Ediehow:

the choices are agp/onboard or pci

[18:35:16]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, pci/agp is interchangable there

[18:35:24]

kormoc:

ooh?

[18:35:30]

kormoc:

usually it's onboard or pci

[18:35:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

'k

[18:35:36]

Ediehow:

mine is agp/onboard or pci

[18:35:41]

Juski:

ordinarily I thought plugging a card in would disable the onboard

[18:35:42]

kormoc:

set it to agp then

[18:35:55]

kormoc:

Ediehow, do you have vga snoop enabled perchance?

[18:36:02]

Ediehow:

i am not sure that's an option

[18:36:09]

kormoc:

Juski, usually, but some motherboards just can't

[18:36:25]

Ediehow:

s4120wm

[18:36:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yeah, I'd set it to the 'onboard/agp' — sounds like it automatically disables the onboard stuff when you have a card in the AGP slot.

[18:36:45]

Ediehow:

it's been onboard/agp:O

[18:36:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: You could probably confirm that with lspci, right? You souldn't see the 'onboard' video controller...

[18:37:50]

Ediehow:

http://pastebin.com/646575

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: looks good to me, I don't see anything but your Nvidia 6200... Humm....

[18:39:40]

Ediehow:

brb

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[18:40:38]

Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: you're kidding, right?

[18:41:08]

Deathwish`:

zomg, I got Tv-Out working

[18:41:09]

Deathwish`:

:D

[18:42:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: ? – ya lost me there...

[18:42:42]

Juski:

never mind

[18:43:56]

WHiTEBOX:

omg! 24/7 Mr. Bean =)

[18:43:57]

WHiTEBOX:

lol

[18:43:58]

WHiTEBOX:

http://66.90.73.10:8490;stream.nsv

[18:44:40]

Juski:

24/7 mr bean... I thought torture was against the Geneva convention

[18:45:01]

WHiTEBOX:

whahhaa

[18:45:24]

laga:

Juski: don't fight stereotypes. embrace 'em.

[18:45:30]

Juski:

as a measure of how unfunny I find him, I'd rather watch gay porn

[18:45:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh... I haven't see that, so I guess that's why it went right over my head!

[18:46:02]

WHiTEBOX:

lol! no this is much better than gay porn

[18:46:33]

WHiTEBOX:

chicken on his head :/

[18:46:38]

Juski:

in the scheme of things, I guess it's still better than 'friends' though :-P

[18:46:39]

WHiTEBOX:

*turkey

[18:47:00]

WHiTEBOX:

Prison Break is great!

[18:47:05]

WHiTEBOX:

and so is Lost

[18:47:24]

Juski:

god I'm in a baaad ass mood, especially considering what day of the week it is

[18:47:36]

WHiTEBOX:

what day is it?

[18:47:42]

Juski:

friday

[18:47:45]

WHiTEBOX:

what time is it!?

[18:47:48]

WHiTEBOX:

friday

[18:47:49]

WHiTEBOX:

oh

[18:47:52]

WHiTEBOX:

OH!

[18:47:54]

Juski:

after work too

[18:48:21]

WHiTEBOX:

20:48.. hmm.. going to order some pizza

[18:48:29]

WHiTEBOX:

nr. 32

[18:48:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm more of a 'Gear-Head' techie, so my favorites are "Overhaulin'", "American Chopper" and "American Hot Rod" ... etc...

[18:48:47]

Juski:

I'm this close | | to wiping my theme stuff out. got to have a talk with the mrs about this fucking soap addiction of hers

[18:48:53]

** xris is going to "pie and pints" for dinner.... **

[18:49:05]

Krazylegz:

Pie!

[18:49:14]

xris:

Krazylegz: not that kind of pie

[18:49:22]

Krazylegz:

Pizza?

[18:49:25]

Juski:

mmmm pie!

[18:49:29]

xris:

british pie

[18:49:34]

WHiTEBOX:

hehhehe

[18:49:36]

Krazylegz:

Juski: Translate please. :-)

[18:49:41]

xris:

as in "filled with meat" (or in my case, vegetables/cheese)

[18:49:45]

Juski:

www.weebl.jolt.co.uk

[18:49:49]

Krazylegz:

Mmm. Salmon pie.

[18:49:50]

meushi:

shepard's pie

[18:49:52]

** meushi drools **

[18:50:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Would that be roughly equivalent to a calazone?

[18:50:19]

Juski:

not quite

[18:50:33]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: similar in concept, though, I think.

[18:50:39]

WHiTEBOX:

like: The salmon shepard could find a toilet.. so he pie at the side of the road.

[18:50:40]

WHiTEBOX:

??

[18:50:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

or a 'pot pie'?

[18:50:50]

kormoc:

shepard's pie!

[18:50:59]

Juski:

minced beef & stuff, topped with mashed potato & baked :-/

[18:51:01]

WHiTEBOX:

me too

[18:51:09]

WHiTEBOX:

all shepard's pie?

[18:51:12]

** xris brings out the spelling trout and flexes his muscles **

[18:51:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, yeah, just like kormoc said — shepard's pie... ;-)

[18:51:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

(and meushi)

[18:51:41]

WHiTEBOX:

but.. we all pie

[18:51:44]

** kormoc just copy and pastes **

[18:51:46]

xris:

Juski: ahh.. for some reason I was thinking more calzone-like... still, good enough.

[18:51:47]

WHiTEBOX:

and poop also

[18:51:53]

Juski:

though how beef came to be in a shepherd's pie is beyond me.

[18:51:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

lots of different varieties... ;-)

[18:52:11]

Krazylegz:

I should make some shepherd's pies for lunch next week.

[18:52:22]

xris:

either way, good food, good beer, followed by a bad movie (Vendetta)

[18:52:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Yeah, that's now I've know it all my life...

[18:52:28]

kormoc:

Juski, well, if you put in sheep in shepherd's pie, you won't have many left to take care of

[18:52:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

[18:52:44]

Juski:

I think I should avoid thinking about such pies – I need to keep my pork chops down

[18:52:49]

WHiTEBOX:

just give the sheperds alot of beer.. then they will pie

[18:53:06]

** WHiTEBOX - whats wrong with me... damn spelling **

[18:53:11]

WHiTEBOX:

:P

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Ediehow:

blah

[18:53:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

halb

[18:53:32]

WHiTEBOX:

halb

[18:53:34]

WHiTEBOX:

!$#@

[18:53:36]

WHiTEBOX:

damned!

[18:53:40]

WHiTEBOX:

jsut too late

[18:53:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: Great minds think alike, eh? rotfl!

[18:54:03]

WHiTEBOX:

heheh agree :D

[18:54:04]

WHiTEBOX:

;)

[18:54:13]

xris:

WHiTEBOX: cut out the childish bodily-function stuff, please?

[18:54:21]

Juski:

something akin to that, in a parallel universe, maybe ;-)

[18:54:32]

WHiTEBOX:

there'a a child inside my head!

[18:54:45]

WHiTEBOX:

with adhd

[18:54:54]

WHiTEBOX:

and the need for beer and pizza

[18:54:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

yeah.. me too. (both the child, and adhd)

[18:55:05]

WHiTEBOX:

hehe

[18:55:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: Do you have 20 projects about 75% complete, just like me?

[18:55:52]

WHiTEBOX:

lol!

[18:55:53]

WHiTEBOX:

yes!

[18:55:56]

WHiTEBOX:

hehehehe

[18:56:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: maybe we were twins seperated at birth!!!

[18:56:27]

WHiTEBOX:

who knows :D

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jasta:

What you lack is not motivation, it's delegation :)

[18:57:02]

laga:

o_o

[18:57:17]

WHiTEBOX:

did you also had a girlfriend for 5 years... who just suddenly left with a 15 year older ugly m$#%%fu%$#a?

[18:57:25]

jasta:

The last 25% of any project should always be finished by someone else :)

[18:57:45]

WHiTEBOX:

yeah! that would be a good solution

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J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: Well, I had a GF for 2 years, had a kid with her, then she ran off with somebody else with my kid... So not exactly, but close... (that was 15 years ago now tho...)

[18:58:19]

WHiTEBOX:

from great idea's comes other great idea's.. and more and more.. almost never have the time to finish something

[18:58:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: Yes, yes, yes... I can totally relate!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've had to start to write notes to myself, otherwise I start to forget some of those great ideas...

[18:59:24]

WHiTEBOX:

heh =)

[18:59:50]

WHiTEBOX:

i stated my own knowlidge database just 2 weeks back

[18:59:54]

WHiTEBOX:

had same problem

[19:00:13]

WHiTEBOX:

and also write some solution which too me long to find out.. in there.

[19:01:03]

WHiTEBOX:

so.. im not the only one

[19:01:14]

WHiTEBOX:

WE are

[19:01:18]

WHiTEBOX:

.. unique

[19:01:19]

WHiTEBOX:

:D

[19:01:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: My problem is that I'll 'fiddle' with someting to get it working, and not take any notes on how I did it, so I can't 'publish' how to do it unless I start over and take notes the next time... But I'm learning a little in my old age...

[19:01:52]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: documentation is KEY....

[19:02:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... I know. I'm trying to discipline myself better now...

[19:02:31]

laga:

i took some notes when i was benchmarking different settings with xvmc. but they don't really make sense ;) i need to practice more

[19:02:31]

xris:

I learned to document well when I worked with a guy with OCD... OCD and clean code do not mix

[19:02:49]

WHiTEBOX:

documentation is the key ;)

[19:02:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

notepad (in winblows) is my friend...

[19:03:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

I can usually type my thoughts quicker than writing them down...

[19:03:29]

WHiTEBOX:

mysql with php and my knowledge database is mine :D

[19:03:38]

laga:

can't beat hand-written notes :)

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WHiTEBOX:

too much freakin' stick its..

[19:03:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

laga: You can if you can't read them!?!

[19:04:06]

WHiTEBOX:

still laying around.. but!

[19:04:19]

WHiTEBOX:

someday they all will be inside the knowledge database :D

[19:04:39]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: a hypo, i run glxgears, but if i start moving around gnome-terminal while it's running, it slows it down tremendously

[19:04:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTEBOX: Funny — I've got 5 post-it notes in front of me now!

[19:04:56]

Ediehow:

5018 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1003.492 FPS

[19:04:56]

Ediehow:

5079 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1015.638 FPS

[19:04:56]

Ediehow:

2849 frames in 5.0 seconds = 569.498 FPS

[19:04:56]

Ediehow:

2383 frames in 5.0 seconds = 476.585 FPS

[19:05:11]

WHiTEBOX:

eh.. almost no lights atm.. but i count

[19:05:19]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A: i can read them. but i made some tables but their layout is shitty. i'd have to wrap my head around them again

[19:05:19]

WHiTEBOX:

3 on my monitor

[19:05:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Uh-oh, Ediehow is trying to bring us back on track... ;-)

[19:05:27]

WHiTEBOX:

7 on the desk

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: see the huge difference in performance?

[19:05:34]

WHiTEBOX:

oh! 2 on the floor

[19:05:48]

WHiTEBOX:

heheh indeed lol

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Ediehow:

all that caused that was me moving around gnome-terminal

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WHiTEBOX:

mmmmm... pizza time

[19:07:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Everything points to something with your video card ... Either the driver, or a configuration, or the card itself. Do you have an Nvidia PCI card laying around to perhaps try? Maybe something's up with your mB's AGP slot/controller...

[19:08:05]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: same problem with ati radeon9600se before this card, so it can't be the card itself

[19:08:11]

Ediehow:

and i don't seem to have nearly the issues in XP

[19:08:48]

Ediehow:

is there a way to test the throughput of the agp slot in linux or something?

[19:09:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Humm... Seems like a driver issue then — Maybe with the AGP stuff more-so than the nvida side... (agp thruput – yeah, I was just thinking the same thing — i dunno)

[19:09:42]

Ediehow:

just upgraded to latest nvidia driver that came outu today

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corpix:

hi

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corpix:

i just tried to compile mythplugins:

[19:10:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: But if it had poor performance on the ATI card too, then I'm leaning towards a Motherboard and/or AGP issue...

[19:10:27]

corpix:

configure --enable-all --prefix=/usr --enable-mythweb --enable-mythmusic --enable-fftw --enable-aac --enable-exif --enable-opengl --disable-festival --enable-mythphone

[19:10:42]

Ediehow:

yeah

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corpix:

In file included from main.cpp:18:

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corpix:

tabview.h:14:32: error: mythtv/mythdialogs.h: File not found

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Ediehow:

that's what i wish i could test

[19:10:55]

corpix:

just @ the beginning of make

[19:11:02]

Juski:

heh.. this cheered me up a bit: http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/upgrade%202.htm

[19:11:30]

corpix:

i mean:

[19:11:31]

corpix:

In file included from main.cpp:18:

[19:11:31]

corpix:

tabview.h:14:32: error: mythtv/mythdialogs.h: No such file or directory

[19:11:47]

corpix:

does anyone see whats wrong here ?

[19:11:59]

corpix:

i get several of these

[19:12:26]

corpix:

i did a ./configure [..]; make

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corpix:

did i forget somethin special ?

[19:12:50]

mchou:

Ediehow: did the new nvidia drivers fix the opengl sync issues in myth?

[19:12:55]

Juski:

qmake is now gone isn't it?

[19:13:15]

mchou:

Ediehow: the release notes say: "Improved G-Sync support."

[19:13:37]

mchou:

Ediehow: so just wondering if that referred to the myth issue

[19:13:43]

corpix:

there is a mythplugins.pro, but the error is still there with a "qmake mythplugins.pro"

[19:14:04]

Juski:

er... I've seen people say that you don't need to run qmake mythtv.pro anymore but it's still in the docs

[19:14:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: that was pretty funny! ;-)

[19:15:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

(the link, that is...)

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corpix:

Juski, mythtv compiled fine, its the mythplugins giving me that error

[19:15:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

..brb..

[19:15:27]

Juski:

corpix: where did you put the source files?

[19:15:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

job

[19:15:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

(wrong screen... sry...)(

[19:15:47]

corpix:

mythtv/mythtv

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corpix:

mythtv/mythplugins

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Juski:

seems ok then

[19:16:03]

corpix:

mythtv/myththemes

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Ediehow:

mchou: how do i determine? i've had glsync enabled for some time

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corpix:

Juski, hmm, do i need to symlink something ?

[19:19:33]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: if it's a MB issue, is there a way to test with some software?

[19:20:07]

Juski:

corpix: I don't think so, but its a while since I last built mythtv & plugins myself

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kormoc:

Ediehow, you did try disabling apic, lapic, and acpi right?

[19:20:49]

corpix:

btw, same issue with the svn

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Juski:

Ediehow: I think the fact that you're experiencing the lame behaviour is evidence in itself. Yours is an HP system if I remember rightly – I'd blame the motherboard

[19:21:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Well, come to think of it — if it works in winblows fine, then it's got to be a Linux issue...

[19:21:21]

Juski:

or the chipset drivers

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WHiTE^^BOX:

aah great :D

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mr 24/7 on myth =)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski, Ediehow: Yeah, that's what I was thinking — chipset drivers/agp within Linux and his perticiular MB...

[19:23:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX — Is this your other personality?!?

[19:24:19]

Ediehow:

i mean, it seems to be FAR better on windows

[19:24:26]

Ediehow:

with wintv32 or wahtever it's called

[19:24:30]

armand:

then something must be misconfigured

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armand:

nothign is 'far better' on windows ;)

[19:24:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... agreed 1000%!

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Ediehow:

glxgears

[19:25:14]

Ediehow:

5070 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1013.988 FPS

[19:25:14]

Ediehow:

5013 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1002.463 FPS

[19:25:14]

Ediehow:

4901 frames in 5.0 seconds = 980.162 FPS

[19:25:14]

Ediehow:

3135 frames in 8.2 seconds = 383.096 FPS

[19:25:16]

Ediehow:

173 frames in 5.8 seconds = 29.617 FPS

[19:25:20]

Ediehow:

look at that! that is ridiculous!:(

[19:25:30]

Ediehow:

all from moving gnome-terminal about

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armand:

glxinfo shows direct rendering enabled?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

eh.. just quickly typed a new nick on this pc

[19:25:56]

Ediehow:

yeah

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WHiTE^^BOX:

on 1 its WHiTEBOX

[19:26:14]

Ediehow:

glxinfo

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Ediehow:

name of display: :0.0

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Ediehow:

display: :0 screen: 0

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Ediehow:

direct rendering: Yes

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WHiTE^^BOX:

on the other WHiTE^BOX

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WHiTE^^BOX:

and this

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Juski:

right I'm offski. shopping time :-(

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Ryushin:

Can the internal DVD player play back a region free PAL DVD on a NTSC system?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: I'm not sure, and since you're asking, you probably don't have one or the other to try, right?

[19:39:44]

WHiTE^^BOX:

does anyone has this file?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

/usr/lib/win32/vp6vfw.dll

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WHiTE^^BOX:

no problems with playing mr bean.. but the demoscene stream wont play video

[19:40:22]

WHiTE^^BOX:

audio works

[19:40:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX – not here.. (vp6vfw.dll file)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

:(

[19:41:42]

WHiTE^^BOX:

!seen ol*

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MythLogBot:

ol* has not been seen here

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WHiTE^^BOX:

!seen ol%

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MythLogBot:

ol% has not been seen here

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WHiTE^^BOX:

!@#$$#@#

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laga:

!seen wildcard

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MythLogBot:

wildcard has not been seen here

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WHiTE^^BOX:

crap..

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laga:

:/

[19:42:16]

WHiTE^^BOX:

!seen Opello

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MythLogBot:

Opello is here and has been idle for 1 hour 14 minutes 42 seconds

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WHiTE^^BOX:

Opello.. u there?

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J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX /win32/ ? is that 'wine' stuff?

[19:42:34]

WHiTE^^BOX:

no

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TheFloyd:

i've got it, but elsewhere

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TheFloyd:

/usr/local/lib/codecs/vp6vfw.dll

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Ryushin:

j-e-f-f-a: Well, I just ordered a PAL DVD from australia for to be sent to myself in the US. I'm pretty sure my samsung dvd players won't be able to play it.

[19:42:55]

TheFloyd:

you can get it from the mplayer distro site

[19:43:15]

TheFloyd:

it was part of essential-20050412.tar.bz2

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WHiTE^^BOX:

TheFloyd.. thx =)

[19:43:20]

TheFloyd:

when I downloaded mplayer

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WHiTE^^BOX:

ok

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TheFloyd:

obviously there might be a newer version of that "essential" package

[19:43:40]

TheFloyd:

but you get the drift...

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meushi:

Ryushin: you might be surprised... budget dvd players are good for thos things

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WHiTE^^BOX:

J-e-f-f-A.. just codec.. to play relplayer.. asx.. streams

[19:44:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: If it's region-free, then they might be able to play it... I suspect it will work with Myth too, but I'm not sure...

[19:44:29]

meushi:

Ryushin: and Samsungs have a good rep for flexibility... try it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: If you're looking for a r-f set-top box, I've got a 'loopholed' Apex 703 that I'm not using anymore...

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Ryushin:

Well, I have the really high end DVI/HDMI DVD players. But yea, sure, I'm going to put it in there first to see if it works. I wante to see if I could get away without buying a truely region free DVD player.

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meushi:

Ryushin: which model of samsung?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Since the disc is already region-free, you should be fine I think...

[19:47:46]

Ryushin:

HD950, and the HD931.

[19:48:04]

Ryushin:

Well, it's just he PAL aspect that I'm worried about.

[19:48:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Come to think about it, I probably should put that Apex 703 up on ebay before it's only worth $20... I don't even remember if it's got component out...

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meushi:

Ryushin: actually quite easy to make the 950 region free...

[19:50:00]

meushi:

Ryushin: for the pal part, I wouldn't be too worried either

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: My current players will play a region-free Pal disc on NTSC, you just lose some of the resolution as pal is 576 lines (or thereabouts), and NTSC is 480. But if your dvd players 'upconvert' to hdtv, you probably won't lose anything, but gain quailty compared to an ntsc disc...

[19:51:18]

Ryushin:

Well, maybe it will be okay. Hopefully that is that case. I order The Wraith.

[19:51:55]

Ryushin:

meushi: And how do I make the 950's region free? :)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

workin' :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX — found your codec, eh?

[19:53:22]

meushi:

Ryushin: with the remote control :)power it on without a disc, press angle. 4327. It displays HDCP free. do the whole angle. 4327 once more.

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Ryushin:

meushi: Gotta write that down.

[19:54:31]

Ryushin:

Now does it remove HDCP or just the regions? If so, that would be really cool?

[19:54:35]

WHiTE^^BOX:

yezz :D

[19:54:39]

meushi:

Ryushin: if it doesn't work, there's another one

[19:54:44]

WHiTE^^BOX:

mplayer -fs http://212.227.99.142:10050

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meushi:

Ryushin: repeat , 57538. a number appears on screen, press 9 (region free)

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J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX — I can't do that now, i'm vnc'd in... Can't appreciate it over VNC...

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WHiTE^^BOX:

heh k

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meushi:

Ryushin: then press eject, let the tray open a few secs then turn it off from the remote. start it back. If you have DVDs that don't work with it in zone-free, you can change the zone back to 1 with the same procedure :)

[19:56:52]

Ryushin:

Boy that will be nice if it works. Does it make it permenante?

[19:56:58]

meushi:

yup

[19:57:27]

meushi:

Ryushin: bookmark that http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php?select=Samsung+DVD-HD950

[19:57:31]

Ryushin:

Does it remove the HDCP protection.

[19:57:47]

meushi:

Ryushin: there are different codes based on the original region of the firmware ;)

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Ryushin:

It sure will be nice if we can remove the HDCP on the new samsung blueray players.

[20:00:08]

meushi:

Ryushin: dream on... the 2006 950 no longer allow it

[20:01:17]

meushi:

Ryushin: there's prolly tips for your other player as well

[20:02:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX – Ah, I just tried it anyways without -fs, and got "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: vp6vfw.dll, /usr/lib/win32/vp6vfw.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/vp6vfw.dll

[20:02:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Can't open library vp6vfw.dll

[20:02:33]

Ryushin:

Yea, I'll check out that site in further detail.

[20:03:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX — so I don't have the video codec installed, and since the sound isn't piped through vnc, can't hear it either! ;-)

[20:03:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX — That will have to be an experiment for when I get home in a few hours...

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J-e-f-f-A:

WHiTE^^BOX – How much you wanna bet when I get home — that my wife will say "Your computer was making all sorts of noises today"... ;-)

[20:05:20]

FairWitness:

Aallllright.

[20:05:30]

meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: as long as it was not nasty noises...

[20:05:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe...

[20:06:04]

FairWitness:

Anyone have an idea or two about why knoppmyth contacts the sql server at the proper specified address but tries to use 127.0.0.1 for actual video content?

[20:06:10]

Ruis:

WHiTE^^BOX, i'm playing it just fine. looks really good and sounds good too.

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Anduin:

FairWitness: the mysql.txt file has nothing to do with your master server IP address.

[20:07:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Fairwitness: I think the sql connection info comes from my.sql (right?), and the myth connection from the address configured in mythtv-setup? no?

[20:07:59]

FairWitness:

Anduin: Well, when I run mythtv-setup, the master is set up fine. The frontend will load, and list the recording from the backend, but won't preview or play them.

[20:09:16]

FairWitness:

When I view the logs of the frontend, I see that the frontend is trying to use 127.0.0.1 to get the actual data.

[20:09:53]

Anduin:

FairWitness: You backend must think the hostname (in the recorded table) has that address.

[20:10:57]

FairWitness:

Anduin: Interesting. I didn't think I'd need to adjust that at all.

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FairWitness:

I probably do have the address set up to 127.0.0.1 on the backend. You are suggesting I should change this if that is so?

[20:12:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – My mysql.txt has the 'real' ip of my backend system on my backend server... It's worth a shot...

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FairWitness:

Well, that's definetly something I haven't considered.

[20:16:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: It seems to be set to 'localhost' by default (which = 127.0.0.1)... So -maybe- that will do the trick? --- Anybody else have any ideas? ---

[20:16:33]

Deathwish`:

im beginning to regret killing my Athlon XP 2200+, this 1Ghz just cant cut recording on 2 tuners and playing back

[20:16:35]

Deathwish`:

:|

[20:17:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — software encoders I take it?

[20:17:07]

Deathwish`:

2x Nova-T's

[20:17:15]

Deathwish`:

DVB-T

[20:17:28]

Deathwish`:

and this VIA chipset doesn't help the mix ;)

[20:17:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah – digital tv... That would do it.

[20:17:59]

Deathwish`:

aye

[20:18:04]

Deathwish`:

1Ghz just aint enough

[20:18:12]

Deathwish`:

playing back you get pauses

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: Worth a shot. Gotta wait till this episode is over, and I'll set the backend.

[20:18:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

My 1Ghz PIII frontend-only can almost play 1080i... plays back everything else perfectly though...

[20:18:53]

FairWitness:

Course, what do people do who don't have static IPs? Course...they couldnt have multiple frontends I spose.

[20:19:16]

Deathwish`:

J-e-f-f-A: this is a frontend and a backend and I can almost hear it cry ;)

[20:19:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness -your're not behind a firewall or router?

[20:19:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

ick!

[20:19:40]

Deathwish`:

time for an upgrade

[20:19:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` – what did you do to your 2200? try to overclock it?

[20:20:20]

Deathwish`:

beats me, didn't do anything to it apart from plug it in and i'm no hardware n00b. it just died :|

[20:20:22]

FairWitness:

Yeah, I have a cheap router assign the IPs.

[20:20:40]

FairWitness:

But I'm thinking of what I'll do at the girls house, where her uber-cheap router doesn't allow this.

[20:20:44]

Deathwish`:

might try it again just to make sure I wasn't having a blonde moment.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – So your backend should have a static IP outside your router's dhcp range.

[20:21:52]

FairWitness:

Outside? Why?

[20:22:03]

Anduin:

So it remains valid.

[20:22:26]

FairWitness:

Running mythtv-setup on the backend and setting the IP address (which the help says should*not* be 127, doesn't allow the local frontend to connect. Sigh.

[20:22:36]

FairWitness:

oh wait frak.

[20:22:57]

FairWitness:

gotta start the backend.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FiarWitness: I was going to say "HUH?"...

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FairWitness:

Me no smart sometimes. Ooook. Let's check knoppmyth.

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Deathwish`:

running Knopp over here :)

[20:25:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

FC4 on the backend here, FC3 one a 1Ghz frontend, and Xebian on an X-box frontend... ;-)

[20:25:56]

FairWitness:

Wow. That's it. Pure genious.

[20:26:18]

Deathwish`:

tried using the python scripts for xbmc but errr, a little buggy on the live-tv front :S

[20:26:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: Excellent! I wasn't sure that was going to do it, but that's one difference I saw on my system compared to yours...

[20:27:18]

FairWitness:

And even more wow. 1) I have bittorrent d/ling a new knoppix 2) The backend has an 11b usb dongle as it's net-connect. This then goes down to the router. 2) It's then picked up by an 11G connection on an old laptop. 3) The playback only stutters *slightly*. AMAZING.

[20:27:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

[this is one of those things I need to jot down now, right WHiTE^^BOX ???]

[20:29:27]

FairWitness:

Now I need to seriously figure out how to get rid of the white little line at the top of my screen. This network is ready for production.

[20:30:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – That's the closed-captioning text on lines 21/22... Just set your overscan percentage to 2% for both vertical and horizontal and it'll be trimmed off...

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: That's a good idea. I tried the "crop" filter, but for some odd reason it multiplies the inputs by 16.

[20:31:28]

FairWitness:

Will overscan be respected on an LCD screen? Aaand, my CC actually does work, so I wonder why those lines are still there.

[20:31:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness — it's in the settings – tv – playback ... If you can't find it, I'll dig it up for you...

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: No prob. I've seen it a few dosen times. I'll find it.

[20:32:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness — Yeah, that basically tells Myth to crop the image that much before scaling it to your screen...

[20:32:43]

FairWitness:

This is amazing. Now that I know it is possible. I can start wiring directly.

[20:33:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – Now if I could just figure out how to do the same thing using VLC with 'mythstreamtv', I'd be happy... ;-) (that's with the complicated 'crop' filters)

[20:34:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – The CC lines are still there, the crop settings just chop them off of your playback display... It doesn't remove them from the file.

[20:39:59]

FairWitness:

That sounds perfect to fix both my box and the gf's. What's VLC? (brb rebooting the box back to windows for the moment).

[20:40:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — So you've got an Xbox frontend too? Why are you running XBMC on it instead of Xebian?

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Beirdo:

beer me!

[20:40:37]

Deathwish`:

ah

[20:40:51]

Deathwish`:

not got around to messing with Linux on the xbrick yet

[20:41:04]

Deathwish`:

just wanted to see what it was like, and its a bit raw

[20:41:04]

Deathwish`:

:D

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — Myth on Xbox is great — A little bit slow responding at times (the box only has 64mb ram after all!), but fully-functional mythfrontend...

[20:42:00]

Deathwish`:

aye

[20:42:06]

Deathwish`:

might have a poke around soon

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Deathwish`:

once i've got the backend setup how I want

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — the only caveot if you use the 'software' method like I did, is that you can't use it with Live anymore...

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Deathwish`:

heh

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Deathwish`:

not used Live since, er, ever? :D

[20:43:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — But it beats any other $75 frontend out there!!!

[20:43:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've never used live at all...

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Deathwish`:

not my kind of thing really

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emes:

under "Post Recording Processing", it looks like the default option is "Do not Transcode new recordings", how do I change that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Deathwish` — I'm not sure how it will do with DVB recordings though... I only play Standard-definition programs on it – from 720x480 down to 400x480... It plays them flawlessly though...

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Deathwish`:

well, i'll guess we'll find out when I get around to playing with it :D

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** FairWitness is back, and still amazed. **

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: it deals quite nicely with the DVB streams

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: Should be the same way you change anything else... highlight it with the up/down arrows, then change it with the left/right arrows, then make sure it gets saved that way. That will set the default to transcode every new program — that's what you want, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: Kewl. What's the resolution of DVB streams?

[20:48:18]

meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: in fact, up to now, it has dealt quite nicely with anything I threw at it... including files that XP Pro on a XP2400+ plays choppily

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: it's great, isn't it! Blows tivo away!!!!!

[20:48:52]

meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: here they are 720x576 IIRC

[20:50:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: Also, you asked about VNC — It's a program that lets you stream content, and transcodes it on the fly in the process... With "mythstreamtv", I'm able to stream almost any of my recordings (it seems to work with everything except HD recordings) over the internet... At decent quality and 24fps...

[20:50:41]

emes:

J-e-f-f-A: wouldn't that just apply to the specific recording selected?

[20:51:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

emes: Not if you're selecting it in 'mythtvsetup'... (which is what I though you were asking about) — You can set it per-recording too to override the default.

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: Oooh VNC. Thought you said VLC. Never used mythstreamtv. Interesing.

[20:53:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: That's DVD quality... awesome. In the US, our Over-the-air High-Definition TV is either 480p (up-converted 480i), 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. I forget what the horizontal resolution is, but it's big too...

[20:53:23]

FairWitness:

Alright, mission accomplished for today, nap time. :) Thanks again Jeff.

[20:53:41]

meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: I haven't played with the HD transponders yet :)

[20:53:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness... Actually, I did say, or at least mean to say "VLC"... for the transcoding/streaming program...

[20:54:07]

FairWitness:

I'll check it out after nap time. :)

[20:54:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness – VNC is for remote desktop access...

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** FairWitness screens out. **

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emes:

J-e-f-f-A: i don't see it in mythtvsetup

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: humm... I could have sworn it was in there... one sec — I'll look

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corpix:

hi, could someone help me getting "mythplugins" compiled?

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corpix:

i do a:

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corpix:

LC_ALL=us sh configure --enable-all --prefix=/usr --enable-mythweb --enable-mythmusic --enable-fftw --enable-aac --enable-exif --enable-opengl --disable-festival --enable-mythphone && make

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corpix:

g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"\" -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/include -I/usr/kde/3.3/include -I/include -I/usr/include/kde -I/opt/kde3/include -I/usr/include/qt3 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -o main.o main.cpp

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corpix:

In file included from main.cpp:18:

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corpix:

tabview.h:14:32: error: mythtv/mythdialogs.h: No such file or directory

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corpix:

what am i doing wrong ?

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Beirdo:

you have to make install mythtv first

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corpix:

oh !

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corpix:

i wanted to build packages

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: yeah, looks like I goofed up that one... I don't see it there either... oops...

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Beirdo:

at least that's my understanding

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corpix:

i cant make install

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Beirdo:

well, look at how other packagers do it

[21:00:35]

Beirdo:

there are RPMs and DEBs out there

[21:00:40]

Beirdo:

and ebuilds

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corpix:

but not from svn ;)

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Beirdo:

the procedure for building 0.19 is the same as SVN

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corpix:

mkay

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corpix:

thanks

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Beirdo:

as far as I know :)

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Beirdo:

it's a place to start

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corpix:

ok, i did a make install

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corpix:

for testing ...

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corpix:

... same issue ;(

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Beirdo:

hmm, you sure that /usr/local/include is in your include path?

[21:03:08]

corpix:

yes

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corpix:

oh its /usr/inclue

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corpix:

+d

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Beirdo:

and that the mythtv/* stuff got installed into the include path (pretty sure it is)

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corpix:

but its --prefix=/usr though

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: Ok, what you were changing was in the Settings – Tv Settings – recording profiles — page, right?

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Beirdo:

well, I'd better head out

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: It's my understanding that setting it there will make the auto-transcode the default for anything recorded with that quality setting.

[21:06:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

emes: If you just want to set it on a per-scheduled program basis, it's in the program's schedule options...

[21:07:43]

emes:

i have it enabled in the default profile there, it still defaults to no

[21:08:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

emes: Did you setup your recordings before enabling it? If so, it probably only reads that value when you create the recording schedule...

[21:09:09]

emes:

J-e-f-f-A: i'm trying it on new recording schedules

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J-e-f-f-A:

emes: Ok, I guess I'm out of ideas at this point... Anybody else?!?

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Aneurysm9:

Is anyone using mythfrontend on an Intel Mac? I've got it to build, but the menus are not being painted properly

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sneezer:

hi all

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corpix:

hmm

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thebrasse:

I am having some trouble understanding the nvram-wakeup how-to on the wiki. Can someone tell me why the grub stuff mentioned works? How does the "reboot kernel" get loaded and when?

[21:15:12]

corpix:

Beirdo, do you think this is an issue for #mythtv ?

[21:15:33]

sneezer:

thebrasse, will you give me a link to the page?

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thebrasse:

sneezer: sure, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

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thebrasse:

hmm, ok.. it's starting to come together now...

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sneezer:

have you created the nvram-wakeup.conf file?

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thebrasse:

yup.. nvram-wakeup seems to work when I reboot manualy. I'm just trying to figure out exactly how the automaiv reboot works...

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Anduin:

corpix: Many people successfully build packages, look at what they do.

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corpix:

Anduin, okay

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sneezer:

thebrasse, it shouldn't automaticly reboot — it should start the computer 120 sec before the recording or whatever you configured it to

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Anduin:

corpix: especially look at things like INSTALL_ROOT

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sneezer:

thebrasse, sorry — was misreading this....

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corpix:

Anduin, maybe i just got wrong, but i didnt find anything concerning in an ebuild

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thebrasse:

sneezer: yes, but some motherboards require a reboot in order for the autostart to work.

[21:20:49]

sneezer:

thebrasse, do you have a box setup with this running?

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thebrasse:

sneezer: ok

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thebrasse:

sneezer: I have one soon.. =)

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sneezer:

will you correct me if I have this wrong (anyone who knows better) the kernel boots up and starts, uppon shutdown it looks for then next time to record. its a bios feature so not all boxes will have it. when mythfrontend shutds down it sends a command to grub to tell the mobo to reboot in x min. the computer boots up and should do its thing. I think the reason for the modified kernel is to allow writing to the bios — not sure a

[21:23:36]

sneezer:

bout that part.

[21:24:31]

sneezer:

I don't understand why you would want your box to do this though....

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achew22:

thebrasse — just switched my kmv so sneezer == achew22

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thebrasse:

achew22: Well, I donÃ't want my box to be on all the time, just when I'm using it or it needs to record something. Using nvram-wakeup seems to be the onÃÃly y I can get my box to start automaticaly...

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achew22:

thebrasse is this also a frontend box?

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thebrasse:

achew22: yes, which is a bit of a pain because I probably need to start mythfrontend with irexec when I want to watch TV..

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sneezer:

are you using kde or gnome?

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thebrasse:

sneezer: neither, I just use xinit to start X and then start mythfrontend from ~mythtv/.xinitrc.

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sneezer:

okay

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sneezer:

make the file say" mythfrontend & irexec &"

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sneezer:

maybe you could make it "mythfrontend &/r/nirexec &/r/n/whatever else you would like &/r/n&"

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sneezer:

ohh /r/n = carrage return line feed (pushing enter)

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thebrasse:

sneezer: sure.. in the end .xinitrc will probably just contain the commands to show some backround picture and start irexec. irexec should then be configured to start mythfrontend when I press the correct button on the remote..

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sneezer:

whatever floats your boat...

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thebrasse:

I know. =)

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Chicago:

Is MythBrowser broke in SVN...? Or is it just my setup?

[21:34:07]

sneezer:

as of last night the svn wouldn't compile mythlib.so

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sneezer:

for me at least

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sneezer:

I have seen some very cool .xinirc files — my doctors office has it mythtv clips of health shows and health stories on the news... genious

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thebrasse:

sneezer: The reason I want to start mythfrontend with the remote is that (I'm gessing) mythbackend won't shut down the computer if it is running...

[21:35:58]

sneezer:

your guess is as good as mine

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Chicago:

sneezer: Here's what I get http://pastebin.com/646896 so I am recompiling --disable-mythbrowser and it's doing good so far.

[21:36:54]

sneezer:

its too bad that I was trying to compile for the 1st time last night on this box...

[21:37:00]

sneezer:

i'm just going to go to .19-fixes

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sneezer:

havn't had that screw up compiling yet

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sneezer:

Chicago, that sucks — try again tomorrow

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Chicago:

sneezer: that's probably a good idea... cause now it just errored out on mythgallery... http://pastebin.com/646902 so i guess I'll try to disable mythgallery now, before I try going to .19fixes

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Aneurysm9:

Is anyone using mythfrontend on an Intel Mac? I've got it to build, but the menus are not being painted properly (really, at all, unless I occlude them with another window and then move the window away)

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sneezer:

look on the svn page for the location of the fixes branch

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sneezer:

Aneurysm9, I haven't heard of anyone even trying... those intell macs are hot comodities

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Chicago:

sneezer: I saw the fixes branch

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sneezer:

ahh

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sneezer:

your smarter than I was 1st time I compiled

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: the build I created on my mini runs fine.

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Chicago:

lol

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: which version of QT did you use? I'm thinking that's probably where the problem is

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mmead:

anyone know how to resolve "MySQL server has gone away" – and mythbackend having no shows scheduled?

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sneezer:

it really says "MySQL server has gone away"?!

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mmead:

yes

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mmead:

and I can connect locally and over the network to it with "mysql" command line client

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Anduin:

mmead: use -fixes

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sneezer:

that is scarry... did it leave a note?

[21:41:56]

Anduin:

mmead: There are also posts on -users about changing mysql settings.

[21:42:09]

mmead:

Driver error was [2/2006]:

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mmead:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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mmead:

Database error was:

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mmead:

MySQL server has gone away

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sneezer:

does make install does it try to install mythweb

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mmead:

Anduin: hmm, a search of -users archive didn't find much – I will look again

[21:43:12]

mmead:

Anduin: qt-mac-free-3.3.6-snapshot-20060322.tar.gz

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mmead:

oops

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: qt-mac-free-3.3.6-snapshot-20060322.tar.gz

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Aneurysm9:

hmm, I'm using 3.3.6, I don't think there would be a major regression like that from a recent snapshot

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mmead:

hmm

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mmead:

1s

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: did you follow the directions on Myth_On_OSX_x86 page?

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mmead:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_x86

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Aneurysm9:

yup

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mmead:

odd

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mmead:

are you building svn?

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mmead:

or 19-fixes?

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mmead:

or 19?

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Aneurysm9:

yeah, rev 9649 I think

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mmead:

ahh

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mmead:

I have only built 19

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mmead:

worked on 18–1 a bit for a poor soul (hmm, in retrospect, he's probably lucky) stuck at .18.1

[21:46:56]

mmead:

but haven't gotten it going yet

[21:47:22]

mmead:

ruh roh

[21:47:31]

mmead:

the fix to the mysql server has gone away is in the 19-fixes branch

[21:47:41]

mmead:

I have a feeling down the -fixes branch path lies insanity

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achew22:

since the apple's hardware and stuff is very very close to each other, can someone build a copy of the .app then put it online?

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Aneurysm9:

achew22: there are binaries at the wiki page for .19

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achew22:

why would you comple then?

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Aneurysm9:

achew22: because my other systems are using svn and the MYTH_PROTO version has changed

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mmead:

I have binaries linked off that page on my site

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mmead:

yeah, don't want to have your binaries down/up revving the schema on you :)

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: if 19-fixes will do it for you, you can look for mine in a little bit

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: I dunno, I'll take a look and see if the protocol version has been bumped in fixes or not

[21:53:32]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: if you followed the directions on the myth on mac x86 page, I don't see what could be going on

[21:54:10]

mmead:

myth is largely a bit unstable for me in general...

[21:54:17]

mmead:

I actually run the backend in a shell script loop

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Chicago:

should I compile in DVB if I'm using a hauppauge-500?

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Chicago:

compile "DVB For Linux" in my kernel?

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achew22:

Chicago no — doesn't matter

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achew22:

well — if you want it a.k.a. want to put in a dvb card later then go ahead

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Aneurysm9:

it's been fairly stable for me, backend crashes sometimes when recording from my bt878, but I think that the signal on that line is a bit off

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: what card is bt878?

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sneezer:

thechris, are you kindof like the chad?

[21:56:19]

xris:

or thecheat

[21:56:24]

sneezer:

mmead, its a chip that is used on a ton of cards

[21:56:27]

thechris:

not sure

[21:56:34]

sneezer:

xris, I got my the cheat in the mail the other day

[21:56:37]

mmead:

sneezer: ahh

[21:56:43]

mmead:

sneezer: like the pvr350? :)

[21:56:45]

sneezer:

its like a kick me the cheat

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: I think it's a WinTV Go or something like that , the bt878 is the chipset, like the ivtc16

[21:56:52]

sneezer:

mmead, no — the 350 uses a hauppage chip

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mmead:

ahh

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mmead:

sorry

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sneezer:

the origional wintv cards use the brooktree chip

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thechris:

around my area there are a lot of people named chris. so i had to distinguish myself

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mmead:

that's why I have seen it

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: 19-fixes won't work, MYTH_PROTO_VERSION is at 26, HEAD is at 29

[21:57:27]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: doh

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sneezer:

I had a fiend who took a class where they built tv cards.... they used the bttv chip and it was like 20$ to get a class set for the teacher

[21:57:44]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: there is a page linked off one of the sites that does nightly cvs builds

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sneezer:

Aneurysm9, your going to give yourself an aneurysm if you keep trying to compile

[21:58:37]

mmead:

sneezer: not so long as he uses ccache :)

[21:59:02]

Aneurysm9:

sneezer: it's not so bad, under an hour on a MBP 1.83 for a complete compile, much less if the deps are already built

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: seems about the same speed as my mini duo core 1.66

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sneezer:

I kindof feel bad about stealing the php from freenas....

[21:59:51]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: but hard to say completely since deps haven't changed in a while

[22:00:25]

Aneurysm9:

mmead: did you build with MMX enabled?

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: I built both ways

[22:00:37]

Aneurysm9:

and both worked?

[22:00:39]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: yes

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Aneurysm9:

ok, guess that's not it

[22:00:57]

mmead:

did you rebuild qt with the weird flag needed for MMX?

[22:01:16]

Aneurysm9:

didn't see anything about a weird flag needed for qt

[22:02:20]

mmead:

Add "-read_only_relocs,warning" to the QMAKE_LFLAGS line in the MythTV build config. Without this change, I get an error: "ld: resample.o has local relocation entries in non-writable section (__TEXT,__text)"

[22:02:59]

Aneurysm9:

oh yeah, didn't get the error so I didn't add it

[22:03:11]

Aneurysm9:

anyways, that's for audio resampling, not sure it would affect menu painting

[22:03:15]

mmead:

right

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Aneurysm9:

brb, gonna try a a clean boot to make sure it's not a conflict with a running program

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hashbang:

nVidia's 8576 driver looks good, folks.

[22:05:22]

mmead:

hashbang: good for?

[22:05:25]

mmead:

hashbang: vsync?

[22:05:36]

hashbang:

vsync and fixes interlaced output.

[22:06:05]

hashbang:

also seems a bit more reliable, so far.

[22:06:30]

Chicago:

So, is the Hauppauge-500 a BT848 Video For Linux board?

[22:06:43]

mmead:

hashbang: nice

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mmead:

hashbang: I must use it

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mmead:

hashbang: the one I use is awful ... vsync busted, terrible performance (worse than SW decoding) with xvmc

[22:07:20]

hashbang:

xvmc still sux0rs for me. YMMV.

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mmead:

hashbang: you doing hd?

[22:09:06]

hashbang:

nope, just SD DVB-T

[22:09:30]

mmead:

hashbang: ahh, .19 uses considerably more cpu than .18.1 did for displaying HD for me

[22:09:47]

mmead:

and if I use bob deinterlace on .19 1080i, an athlon 64 @1800mhz cannot keep up

[22:09:57]

mmead:

whereas my mac mini 1.66ghz can do just fine

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hashbang:

my Celeron 1.7 copes fine with recording 2 DVB-T streams and playing one from disc.

[22:11:22]

hashbang:

and I don't need to do software deinterlacing, as I built a VGA->RGB Scart adaptor.

[22:11:37]

mmead:

cool

[22:11:44]

mmead:

I run to an 800x600 PJ

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hashbang:

native 768x576 PAL50 here. :-)

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mmead:

:)

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|splat|:

i have a ati hdtvwonder, should i be using the atsc dvbtools from pchdtv?

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Aneurysm9:

ok, I'm pretty sure it's QT now, I found that it was using the QT painter even though I had UseGLPainter set to 1 in the DB, changing it to GL from the FE got the GL menus working, but now the stuff that's still using the old UI doesn't work, like the recordings list box

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: try the snapshot I used :)

[22:18:29]

Aneurysm9:

yeah, that's my next move

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: xcode 2.2?

[22:18:45]

Aneurysm9:

yup

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Aneurysm9:

10.4.6

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mmead:

hmm

[22:19:12]

mmead:

I'm not in front of my mini at the moment, on a G4 PB

[22:19:17]

mmead:

so I don't know, but I thought it was 10.4.5

[22:19:56]

Aneurysm9:

probably is, .6 came out just a couple days ago

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: what are you messing around with this for, anyway, install deb smp under bootcamp and run it there :)

[22:21:09]

mmead:

^--- not what I would do :)

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Aneurysm9:

got burned with bootcamp, hosed my OSX partition after installing windoze, I think I'm fine with OSX only, just would be nice to have mythfe running on the laptop

[22:23:56]

mmead:

I have it running on my G4 and Intel machines

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mmead:

my front/back in the home theater closet is an athlon 64

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mmead:

too bad only it and the intel mini can do HD :)

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|splat|:

when i load the cx88-dvb module, everything looks like it goes ok, but i don't get a /dev/dvb...how do i fix this?

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mmead:

|splat|: mkdev it by hand unless you're running a devfs of some sort?

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|splat|:

hmm...i'm running slackware w/ 2.6.15.6, and i think i saw something about needing a new udev...might that be the problem?

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kormoc:

mmead, everyone is running udev or devfs or they know better, so it's a safe assumption :P

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|splat|:

kormoc: or they don't know any different and it is installed by default with their distro.....like me, i think

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mmead:

kormoc: well, I run udev, but I still had to make the devs by hand

[22:33:39]

mmead:

kormoc: though that might have been ivtv

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kormoc:

mmead, ooh? ivtv has udev support, and has for awhile, the only drivers I've heard about without udev support is some old usb lcd drivers

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mmead:

kormoc: yeah, I'm not entirely sure which it was... will have to look back at my notes

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Aneurysm9:

well, seems the only qt snapshot is from today, I'll try that though I'm not hopeful

[22:37:18]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: you want the file I have?

[22:37:37]

Aneurysm9:

yeah, you still got it?

[22:37:43]

mmead:

yeah, let me dump it somewhere with more bandwidth

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Aneurysm9:

cool, thanks

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mmead:

15M

[22:38:26]

mmead:

I'm QoS'd, but should see around 50–60K/s up

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opello:

WHiTE^^BOX: pong

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Aneurysm9:

that's cool, I'm doing a fully clean build, if you can give me a url I'll put it into osx-pagacker and it'll hopefully all be there by the time I need it

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: http://www.goof.com/~mmead/qt-mac-free-3.3.6- . . . 60322.tar.gz

[22:40:23]

Aneurysm9:

thakns

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mmead:

67%

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|splat|:

and i get an error building the dvb-tools...i just synced with cvs http://pastebin.com/647000

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mmead:

|splat|: wow, that's a nice one

[22:41:24]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: it's all there now

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|splat|:

mmead: how do i fix that?

[22:41:42]

Aneurysm9:

great, thanks

[22:41:59]

mmead:

|splat|: I would probably try a different version of dvb-tools, if it were me

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: np

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mmead:

going to install -fixes

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|splat|:

i've tried the tar on linuxtv.org, and the dvb-atsc-tools from the pchdtv site, both give me errors while compiling too

[22:43:00]

mmead:

|splat|: what card?

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|splat|:

ati hdtvwonder

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: got it, does this md5 look right: f2f0ed1437d4c2e0b3f6366870137822

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|splat|:

do i need to have the /dev/ already to build these? could that be the error?

[22:44:07]

mmead:

|splat|: is it not supported by the MD5 (.osx-packager/src/qt-mac-free-3.3.6-snapshot-20060322.tar.gz) = f2f0ed1437d4c2e0b3f6366870137822

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mmead:

MD5 (.osx-packager/src/qt-mac-free-3.3.6-snapshot-20060322.tar.gz) = f2f0ed1437d4c2e0b3f6366870137822

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mmead:

|splat|: is it not supported by the dvb driver in the latest kernels?

[22:44:45]

Aneurysm9:

mmead: no, just wanted to make sure it came through correctly

[22:44:51]

mmead:

|splat|: I don't know on that one

[22:45:01]

mmead:

Aneurysm9: sorry, mixed up the paste

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|splat|:

should be, i can post my dmesg when it tries to load

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: looks like you got it fine – that's md5 on my mini

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|splat|:

http://pastebin.com/647011

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|splat|:

according to the mythtv wiki i should be able to get this to work

[22:47:16]

|splat|:

but the mythtv wiki isn't really helpful on the problems i'm having

[22:47:22]

mmead:

|splat|: does it have to upload firmware to the card? does it?

[22:47:37]

|splat|:

i think so, and i have the firmware in /lib/firmware

[22:47:38]

mmead:

|splat|: why are you using dvbtools?

[22:47:43]

|splat|:

for azap

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mmead:

|splat|: dmesg should tell if you the firmware was uploaded

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|splat|:

to get channels

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mmead:

|splat|: hmm, I didn't need to do that since .18.1

[22:48:12]

mmead:

|splat|: mythtv-setup will scan

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|splat|:

well, i'm not technically using mythtv...i'm just trying to get my card working

[22:48:38]

mmead:

|splat|: oh :)

[22:49:01]

|splat|:

i figured some one in here might be of more help than in ##slackware

[22:49:07]

mmead:

yes

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marcus2:

woohoo! my wintv-pvr-500 arrived

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|splat|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder heres the wiki page

[22:49:52]

|splat|:

my dmesg doesn't look too far off

[22:50:07]

mmead:

|splat|: yeah, I don't have any experience with that card

[22:50:26]

mmead:

|splat|: however, I could not get scanning to work (though it would build) when I didn't have the devices right... and I also had to get the firmware loading properly first

[22:50:39]

|splat|:

yeah

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mmead:

|splat|: if your dmesg doesn't tell you the firmware was loaded, I'd guess maybe it doesn't load it

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sneezer:

what does "mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" mean?

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mmead:

|splat|: I put a log statement in the firmware class module's "agent" shell script to put diagnostic info in /tmp/debug.fwclass or some such

[22:51:16]

|splat|:

the dmesg on the mythtv wiki doesn't say anythign about the firmware loading either

[22:52:06]

mmead:

ahh, so maybe it isn't an issue

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: it means your libraries are not in the right place or /etc/ld.so.conf isn't set properly, I think

[22:52:57]

sneezer:

/etc/ld.so.conf doesn't exist...

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mmead:

|splat|: I just looked at my dmesg – it shows no line about firmware load for my dvb supported card (air2pc gen 1) either

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sneezer:

Aneurysm9, where did they get put then? and how do I fix them?

[22:53:52]

mmead:

|splat|: it appears I didn't build the dvbtools on this incarnation of the OS install for my myth backend...

[22:53:53]

Aneurysm9:

sneezer: you may need to include /usr/local/lib if that's where your libs are (default prefix) then run /sbin/ldconfig

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mmead:

|splat|: but they all compiled cleanly when I did so in the past while I ran .18.1

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|splat|:

you mean mythtv .18.1

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|splat|:

?

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sneezer:

Aneurysm9, I don't understand... should I just run /sbin/ldconfig? do I need to recompile?

[22:56:37]

Aneurysm9:

sneezer: if your libs are in /usr/local/libs (maybe in a mythtv dir under there) then run `echo "/usr/local/libs" >> /etc/ld.so.conf && /sbin/ldconfig`

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sneezer:

wait... I may have found the problem...

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sneezer:

one seccond

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sneezer:

nevermind — it will involve me recompiling so 70 min...

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Aneurysm9:

s/libs/lib/g

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|splat|:

the v4l-dvb packages are drivers right...not the apps?

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mmead:

right

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mmead:

|splat|: but I had to use azap with .18.1 to get my channels setup

[23:00:14]

mmead:

|splat|: and it compiled cleanly

[23:00:27]

|splat|:

.18.1 mythtv?

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mmead:

no, azap

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|splat|:

well, even if i get azap/dvb-tools to compile, i still need /dev/dvb

[23:02:32]

sneezer:

yay!

[23:02:34]

sneezer:

thats fixed it :D

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mmead:

|splat|: hmm

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|splat|:

Note: The HD-3000 card firmware doesn't actually load until the system attempts to access the card

[23:03:44]

|splat|:

so i think that the same might be for mine?

[23:03:53]

mmead:

|splat|: possibly

[23:04:09]

mmead:

|splat|: looks like /my /dev/dvb/adapter*/* is setup automatically

[23:04:18]

|splat|:

pcHDTV provides the necessary firmware files, as well as the udev rules to create the necessary special files in /dev when the drivers are loaded.

[23:04:28]

|splat|:

so i guess i need to make my udev rule myself?

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sneezer:

is the HD-3000 worth the 169.99$?

[23:07:04]

|splat|:

KERNEL="dvb*", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/scripts/dvb.sh %k", NAME="%c", GROUP="video", MODE="0660"

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|splat|:

that is in my udev.rules

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|splat|:

already

[23:07:27]

mmead:

hashbang: 8756 doesn't work for me with vsync

[23:07:36]

mmead:

hashbang: gives me glitchy playback

[23:07:43]

mmead:

|splat|: hmm, I'm out of ideas, other than firmware not loading

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|splat|:

mmead: alright, i'll keep googling

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|splat|:

some one has to have info somewhere on the net

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mmead:

|splat|: you'd think

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|splat|:

o well, time for dinner

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mchou:

hey, anyone here upgrade to the latest nvidia display driver released just a few days ago?

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Juski:

nah. upgrading for the sake of it is for erm... others ;-)

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Aneurysm9:

mmead: sadly, no change using that qt snapshot

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sneezer:

My mythbackend is running verision 28 of the myth protocol and my frontend is running 26 — they were built from mythtv.19-fixes (but different boxes) does anyone have any ideas?

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Aneurysm9:

your backed wasn't build from .19-fixes, that's currently at proto ver 26

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sneezer:

hrm....

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sneezer:

so I have to recompile my backend....

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Aneurysm9:

would appear that way

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sneezer:

or get the same sources to this computer

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Aneurysm9:

or the frontend

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mmead:

Aneurysm9: bummer

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sneezer:

i prefer the frontend

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sneezer:

anyone know of any good tricks to move ~/compile/mythtv from computer X to computer Z

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: I'd go that way too, not sure about how db schemas work going downward

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: if they're the same arch and distro, just scp it

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sneezer:

I don't think their the same arch

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sneezer:

but same distro

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sneezer:

one sec — i'll check

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sneezer:

ohh... it is the same distro

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sneezer:

crazy

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sneezer:

how do I scp it?

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Aneurysm9:

if they don't match, then scp it and run make distclean and reconfigure

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Aneurysm9:

man scp

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sneezer:

um... how do I tell it all the files I need?

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Aneurysm9:

basically: scp -r host1:/path/to/dir host2:/path/where/you/want/it

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Aneurysm9:

the -r is for recursive

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sneezer:

okay... but what dir is myth compiled into?

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sneezer:

don't beat me with a stick — i've only been running linux for 4 weeks

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Aneurysm9:

you'll probably have to move the sources if you haven't built packages, which I doubt you have

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sneezer:

okay... nevermind

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Aneurysm9:

if you move a source dir that has been compiled but not cleaned, it should be as simple as running "make install" on the new machine

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sneezer:

host1 is where to copy from and host2 is localhost

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: yup

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: sshd must be running on host1, it probably is

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sneezer:

what the crap.... it doesn't know my password

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: it's the password on host1

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: if you use a different user, change host1 to user@host1

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sneezer:

hrm....

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sneezer:

ssh 192.168.0.35 lets my passwd work

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sneezer:

but not scp

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sneezer:

"Host key verification failed.

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sneezer:

"

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Aneurysm9:

strange

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Aneurysm9:

try removing the line for that host from ~/.ssh/known_hosts

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sneezer:

same thing...

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: not sure what to tell you, if ssh works, scp should work, it's the same protocol and software stack

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sneezer:

hrm...

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sneezer:

i'll ssh in then do the scp command backwards

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Aneurysm9:

yeah, you can do that, though it would still be the same command, host1 is where it's going from, host2 is where it's going to

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AngryElf:

is anybody else really irritated at comedy central for, in general, having all of their shows ofset by 1–2 minutes?

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sneezer:

isn't there a channel offset?

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Aneurysm9:

AngryElf: haven't noticed it, Daily Show always starts at the date intro

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sneezer:

holy crap!

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AngryElf:

it changes from ep to ep, but southpark usually gets cut off at the end

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AngryElf:

because it starts late and ends late

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sneezer:

achew22@localhost's password:

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sneezer:

Host key verification failed.

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AngryElf:

i know i can ofset the recording but i've only got one tuner and that screws with other recordings

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sneezer:

do it only for that recording — or any recording on comedy

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: check http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securi . . . 11/0073.html at the bottom and see if the udev fix there does anything for you

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Aneurysm9:

sneezer: may require a restart of one or both machines, not sure

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xris:

Juski and J-e-f-f-A: http://www.piesandpints.com/

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xris:

now if only they had good beer on tap... :(

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Juski:

hmm pie :D

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xris:

Juski: curry pie... I'm sold. :)

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xris:

1.5 hours.

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Juski:

curry pie :-P !

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Juski:

if I'm ever in Seattle....

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deniidil:

hello everyone

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kormoc:

Juski, hop on a plane, right now

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** Juski yells to wife "just going out to get a pie, love!" **

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deniidil:

hey guys – i'm having some problems with installing on Kubuntu (i'm typically a fedora user, but i'm using kubuntu for my mythbox)

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kormoc:

Juski, just make sure to bring her back one!

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Juski:

most people come here when they have problems with mythtv. others just have problems ;-)

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deniidil:

when trying to install XML::Twig i get "[test_dynamic] Error 255" blah blah "won't install without force"

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deniidil:

should i just force it?

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Juski:

ah you got some dependency hell going on by the look of it

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deniidil:

aye :D

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deniidil:

i'm quickly learning ubuntu doesn't like installing things that should be there

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deniidil:

like.... ssh server

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deniidil:

i would have been working on this from work all day.. but no sshd by default :P

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Juski:

if you can do a 'pretend' force to see what it'd do, that'd be a good idea

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deniidil:

hmm

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deniidil:

it shows it's dependancies

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Juski:

and... will that break anything by the look of it?

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deniidil:

dunno

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deniidil:

i'm going to install the deps

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Juski:

actually you don't have much to lose at this point I suppose

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deniidil:

they're (optionals)

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deniidil:

the other issue i'm having is no console.perms

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Juski:

get acquainted with CPAN – I've used that in the past to install stuff like that

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deniidil:

chmod 666 /dev/video1 gets reverted when i reboot

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deniidil:

i'm using CPAN

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Juski:

mind you never had any issues installing myth on ubuntu

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deniidil:

i'm using kubuntu 5.10

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Juski:

but it's a while since I did it

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Juski:

out of curiosity why did you go kubuntu, not FC?

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deniidil:

can you list more than one package in on the install line in CPAN

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deniidil:

i've done it on FC before

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deniidil:

but FC doesn't by default use ALSA

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deniidil:

and it's a little "fat" to say the least

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deniidil:

good for desktop and servers – but a little heavy for a mythbox IMHO

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Juski:

sounds about right to me, but what do I know

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deniidil:

heh

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deniidil:

at work we have 6 coders

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deniidil:

5 of us run FC4

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deniidil:

1 runs Ubuntu

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deniidil:

and our new server cluster is entirely FC4 [on a custom self-managed yum repo]

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deniidil:

anyway

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deniidil:

what do to about missing console.perms?

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deniidil:

write one?

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Juski:

no idea

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deniidil:

i'll try making one with just the lines i give a rats about

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