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Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Yellow-Snow:

lib 57m

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: just try "du -shx /"

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havoc:

that will only do stuff on hda1

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Yellow-Snow:

oh

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FairWitness:

havoc: Do you think I have to edit my.conf and disable "skip-networking" on the backend?

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havoc:

FairWitness: haha, *yes*

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havoc:

FairWitness: definitely, if you are trying to access it from a remote machine

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Yellow-Snow:

er nothing is bug

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Yellow-Snow:

big but the last one

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** havoc will get to ask *his* mythtv questions sooner or later **

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achew22:

havoc whats your question?

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Yellow-Snow:

du -shx /

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Yellow-Snow:

= 2.2 gig

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havoc:

achew22: nothing entirely specific yet, I have to wait until I get into it some more

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havoc:

achew22: what did you want to know about mod_auth?

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FairWitness:

havoc: Dang. Looks like it's commented out already so that's not it.

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havoc:

FairWitness: in the user table in the mysql database you want a '%' in the Host column

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havoc:

or maybe it's in the db table

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havoc:

achew22: most of my questions are related to getting the best performace

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havoc:

nothing specific I'm in a position to ask right now

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FairWitness:

havoc: My sql is extremely out of date..let me grab a book. Describe tables or something is what I'm thinking.

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havoc:

USE mysql; SELECT * FROM user;

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Yellow-Snow:

hm

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FairWitness:

woah that's a lot of data for this tiny screen...

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achew22:

havoc: I would like to prompt for passwords on all but 192.168.0.* I have a .htpasswd file and it all works, but not prompt for passwords from 192.168.0.*

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havoc:

FairWitness: SELECT Host, User from user;

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havoc:

achew22: ah, hang on

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achew22:

havoc doesn't that seem reasonable?

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FairWitness:

Ok. It does show a % under host for the user mythtv (and well done thank you). So now I must think of something else.

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: yep — I'm doing that myself... I think havoc is hooking you up with how to do it...

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Yellow-Snow:

= i just need to delete something off of hda1

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havoc:

achew22: http://home.golden.net/htaccess.html scroll down to "Restricting by IP Address"

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havoc:

achew22: I think that may be what you want

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FairWitness:

Although there is also a mythtv showing for localhost too...

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: yes; how big is the / partition?

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achew22:

havoc already tried that exact site....

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havoc:

achew22: ack

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A can I get your file? will you put it up on pastebin

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havoc:

FairWitness: hmmm

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achew22:

havoc its cool — J-e-f-f-A is going to hook me up

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: let me take a look... one sec...

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achew22:

thanks

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havoc:

achew22: pasting your htaccess file would help

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achew22:

havoc would you like me to take Yellow-Snow off your hands?

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havoc:

FairWitness: SELECT Host, Db, User FROM db;

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FairWitness:

havoc: I'm trying to post the table into the pastebin, but I'm using foreign xterm w/lynx...just a sec..

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havoc:

achew22: can you help him?

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achew22:

I'll see if I can

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havoc:

he just needs to free up some space

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

okay

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havoc:

still need to know what size the partition is

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow where are you at?

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Yellow-Snow:

2.3 gig size.. 2.2 full

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havoc:

if it's not too small, then figure out what's using more space than it should be

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Yellow-Snow:

that command w/e well / is using 2.2 gig

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havoc:

brb, need another beer

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** FairWitness struggles how to make xterm copy/paste w/o a middle click. **

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Yellow-Snow:

du -sh /

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Yellow-Snow:

= 2.2 gig

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow how big is the drive?

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Yellow-Snow:

20 gig

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Yellow-Snow:

er 10 gig

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achew22:

why?

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Yellow-Snow:

du -shx / gives me the folders but nothing that is big.. only the last thing that is / is 2.2 gig

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Yellow-Snow:

?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ok... maybe a dumb question, but how do I 'pastebin' with ksirc?

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achew22:

why is your hdd 10g

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Yellow-Snow:

b/c im using it as safty

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FairWitness:

I think the lines in question are the columns for mythconverg of course: Host=%, db=mythconver, user=mythtv and also host=localhost,db=mythconverg,user=mythtv.

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Yellow-Snow:

i have a 300 gig that im saving foles to

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FairWitness:

And that first one is mythconverg with a G.

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Yellow-Snow:

er that i wanted to save things to.. anything happens to my mytv.. i can just refor mat the 10 gig and not lose any of my stuff

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** havoc is back **

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow so you have hda1 and hdb1

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: select to copy

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achew22:

FairWitness what distro are you running?

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: *usually*

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Yellow-Snow:

yes

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FairWitness:

achew:Gentoo for my normal backend/frontend, testing knoppmyth now on a seperate system.

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achew22:

is this running gentoo?

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J-e-f-f-A:

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achew22:

or is this knoppmyth

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Yellow-Snow:

knoppmyth

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FairWitness:

achew22: My mysql db is on the gentoo box. I'm trying to get a new system to run knoppmyth for some testing purposes.

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

go over to the gentoo box

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: select the text to highlight it, the right-click and select copy, or from the edit menu, it should also tell you the key combo

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achew22:

and tell it to emerge phpmyadmin -va

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FairWitness:

K. I've got an ssh running (which is where I'm ircing from now)

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Yellow-Snow:

so type phpmyadmin -va?

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achew22:

no

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Yellow-Snow:

..

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achew22:

emerge phpmyadmin -va

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Yellow-Snow:

er k

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achew22:

wow

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achew22:

wait

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achew22:

stop

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Yellow-Snow:

k

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Won't that just paste my text into the list, instead of pastebin?

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Yellow-Snow:

.. i just need to delete a file

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow sorry — screwed me up

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Yellow-Snow:

n/p

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FairWitness:

achew22: I assume that was for me. :)

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow yes, find the big files — do you know how?

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achew22:

FairWitness yes...

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Yellow-Snow:

no i did du -shx /

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: that's to *copy*, *then* you paste into the web browser

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Yellow-Snow:

nothing was big but the last thing that was /

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Yellow-Snow:

was 2.2 gig

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

ls /

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achew22:

Yellow-Snow ls /

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Yellow-Snow:

yea

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Yellow-Snow:

my folders

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Yellow-Snow:

and such

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achew22:

FairWitness I was thinking to myself — he uses gentoo and he really said "so I type phpmyadmin -va"?!?!?!

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FairWitness:

achew22: phpmyadmin isn't installed. I assume I should emerge it and you may have a nifty trick for me to figure this out?

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Yellow-Snow:

there is a file that is knoppmyth and knoppmyth-sata

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achew22:

FairWitness: yes — phpmyadmin is the sexiest software ever

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FairWitness:

achew22: Hahah.

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havoc:

FairWitness: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RxQiIY15.html

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achew22:

havoc if he is just having user issues phpmyadmin will be able to clear that up in no time

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havoc:

FairWitness: run the same two commands and compare

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FairWitness:

wish knoppmyth came w/firefox or something. Or an xterm I can copy/paste in...

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achew22:

FairWitness you can get it

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havoc:

achew22: yeah, probably

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FairWitness:

Manually typing urls is so 90s.

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achew22:

FairWitness: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox

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achew22:

knopmyth is based on knoppix is based on debian

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc, achew22: I think I've got it — http://pastebin.com/643271

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: "du -shx /*"

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A normaly I don't think its that hard to paste....

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FairWitness:

havoc: First is identical.

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Yellow-Snow:

havoc i did

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Yellow-Snow:

er

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Yellow-Snow:

oh *

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I haven't used pasebin before, I didn't know you had to do it from the web site. I thought it was integrated with IRC...

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: yeah, my bad for not telling you that :(

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A ohh

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FairWitness:

havoc: Both results are identical to yours.

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FairWitness:

achew22: phpadmin is emerged.

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Yellow-Snow:

er 1.6g is usr

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havoc:

FairWitness: as achew22 said, this should solve your problem

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Yellow-Snow:

how do i scroll up

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Yellow-Snow:

466m for var

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Yellow-Snow:

514m for proc

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Yellow-Snow:

8.2m sbin

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FairWitness:

Great. It wants me to do post-install mysql grant tabling. <sigh> This is where things start to go badly but I'll read what it has to say.

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I've got two networks here at home, so that's why there are two allows — one for each network address range. But it works... ;-)

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: SHIFT+[PGUP|UPARROW] to scroll up in most terminals

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Yellow-Snow:

er ok but anywho i dont see anything thats massive

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FairWitness:

Once I get phpadmin up, then what? Everyting I see in mysql seems to look fine.

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Yellow-Snow:

except usr

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: my guess is that when you setup linux on that machine you left too little space on '/'

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: only real way to free space on /usr is to uninstall something

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Yellow-Snow:

er it auto left.. some how it got full

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havoc:

only safe way anyway

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havoc:

FairWitness: delete and then recreate the mythtv user via phpmyadmin

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: what's in /tmp ?

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havoc:

*generally* it's ok to delete stuff there, it'll just make an app crash or soemthing

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Yellow-Snow:

.ice.unix

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Yellow-Snow:

.x11-unix

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FairWitness:

havoc: Isn't that pretty dangerous?

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: but I think with a ~2GB / partition you are going to continue to have problems

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Yellow-Snow:

.gdmbb3ec or something .. mpg-files

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Yellow-Snow:

hhmmmmmm

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havoc:

FairWitness: deleting and recreating the user? No

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Yellow-Snow:

ill just reinstall

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Yellow-Snow:

tho.. i have used this 10 gig before

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havoc:

FairWitness: you're deleting a user, not the mythconverg database

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havoc:

FairWitness: make sense?

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Yellow-Snow:

oh well

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: to be on the safe side just make it one large '/' partition

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Yellow-Snow:

i use knoppmyth auto install

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havoc:

anyone else see a problem with that?

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FairWitness:

havoc: Yeah, I understand, but since everything is tied to allowing that user to log in I'm a little nervous.. :)

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havoc:

Yellow-Snow: ah, I know nothing of knopp-myth

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havoc:

FairWitness: but it's not working now

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havoc:

FairWitness: and as long as you use the same username and password there should be no problems

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FairWitness:

Great "An unknown module was specified : phpmyadmin"

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FairWitness:

This is the part about linux that makes me tear out my remaining hairs. :)

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FairWitness:

I restarted apache, that didn't help.

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havoc:

FairWitness: in the end it will solve a lot of problems

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havoc:

FairWitness: phpmyadmin is very useful

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FairWitness:

I hope so. I'm trying to google on why apache doesn't seem to want to load (?) it.

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havoc:

since the privilige system in mysql has been getting ever more complicated

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havoc:

FairWitness: you have PHP and mod_php installed?

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FairWitness:

I have whatever mythweb needs. I think PHP4.

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havoc:

ok, so you have mod_php then

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FairWitness:

Yeah, just checked, that's up and running (mythweb).

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havoc:

what about the php_mysql mod?

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FairWitness:

Btw, you are both making my day much easier. :)

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havoc:

hmm, that should be required for mythweb too

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havoc:

FairWitness: check the apache error log?

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FairWitness:

Checking...

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FairWitness:

(anyone remember how to create a new "screen" ctrl-a..c?

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havoc:

ack, I *barely* know enough about screen to use it with irssi

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FairWitness:

Yep thats it.

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FairWitness:

Ok, I've got the access and error logs tailed...

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FairWitness:

Nothing. Nothing at al

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FairWitness:

Puzzling.

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havoc:

yeah, if mythweb works, phpmyadmin should work

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FairWitness:

Do I need to add phpmyadmin to some kind of apach conf file?

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FairWitness:

The emerge asked me to update mysqls grant tables by importing a .sql, I did that.

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havoc:

FairWitness: that depends heavily on how it was installed

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havoc:

generally I install from "source"

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FairWitness:

havoc: I emerged it, which should essentially be the same thing.

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havoc:

FairWitness: right, but I'm guessing gentoo puts in under /var/www/ somewhare as an alias

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FairWitness:

Yep. Let me check it..

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** FairWitness does some more screen wizardry and feels all guru for a moment. **

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Yellow-Snow:

wow

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Yellow-Snow:

that old ass 10gig gets soooo fcking hot

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Yellow-Snow:

lmao!

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Yellow-Snow:

i know what im going to use in the winter to warm up mu room

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FairWitness:

Hrm. I don't seem to have a config.inc.php file.

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havoc:

FairWitness: under the phpmyadmin/ dir?

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havoc:

FairWitness: I'll guess it's under /etc/phpmyadmi/ or /etc/apache/conf/webapps or soemthing like that

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FairWitness:

Under /var/www/localhost/htdocs/phpmyadmin I have config.default.php, config.footer.inc.php and config.header.inc.php but no config.inc.php

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** FairWitness updatedbs. **

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havoc:

hmm, does the README say anything about copying config.default.php to config.inc.php and editing it?

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havoc:

some php apps do that

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FairWitness:

You would think it would in POST-INSTALL eh? Let's see...

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havoc:

to force you to configure it properly

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DartmanX2:

in 0.19, how do I get to the recording profiles so I can adjust them? Im trying to find them in mythfrontend and cant

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FairWitness:

Trying to find if I should just copy the default.

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FairWitness:

Can't hurt. Let's do that while the other updatedb runs.

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** FairWitness spins his head after browsing through that conf file. **

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AngryElf:

when a program is set to auto-expire, how long before it gets deleted?

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FairWitness:

Well, simply copying it didn't work.

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havoc:

FairWitness: $cfg['PmaAbsoluteUri'] and $cfg['Servers'][$i]['auth_type'] are usually the only two things I edit

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AngryElf:

DartmanX2, they're under setup somewhere

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AngryElf:

look harder

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havoc:

FairWitness: usually $cfg['PmaAbsoluteUri'] *has* to be set for the program to run, but later version allow it to be set to ''

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FairWitness:

havoc: They're set to the proper values it seems.

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havoc:

FairWitness: and I usually set $cfg['Servers'][$i]['auth_type'] to 'http' and $cfg['Servers'][$i]['controluser'] and $cfg['Servers'][$i]['controlpass'] both to ''

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FairWitness:

I changed them both and restarted apache just for kicks.

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havoc:

I basically set all user/pass vars to ''

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FairWitness:

Negative. Still "an unknown module was specified" webpage.

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havoc:

and use http auth to login

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fatmatt:

can anyone give me a rough idea of how long it takes to encode to divx from a recorded dvb stream using nuvexport, about 2hrs worth of tv

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fatmatt:

this has been running for 10hours now..

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FairWitness:

It still looks like an apache problem, but I don't see any kind of error...

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – It depends on your settings, but I don't think Myth will auto-expire programs until either a) Your disk space gets low or b) You reach your 'maximum episodes' setting for that recording schedule.

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DartmanX2:

never mind... the theme I was using was hiding it from me

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havoc:

FairWitness: don't know what to tell you, that error isn't very helpful

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havoc:

FairWitness: is that the *exact* error?

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AngryElf:

J-e-f-f-A, i dont recall seeing those settings anywhere, they're in mfe -> setup somewhere?

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FairWitness:

It's not really an error per se. When I go to http://localhost/phpmyadmin I get a webpage with a small box saying "An unknown module was specified" <next line> phpmyadmin.

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havoc:

hmm, probably apache

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havoc:

and nothing in the error log?

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – they're on the individual recording schedules. The easiest way is to look with mythweb IMHO, but you can also view/set them via the frontend. I'll take a look now and tell you exactly where they are... one sec.

[00:53:57]

FairWitness:

havoc: : Nothing. just digest:done, apache conigured--resume normal. All looks fine to me.

[00:54:12]

havoc:

ack

[00:54:36]

FairWitness:

All this to delete a user.

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AngryElf:

oh ok, i see it now

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FairWitness:

How about this, you seem to know you're mysql quite well, can we ditch phpmyadmin and just do it strait through mysql?

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havoc:

FairWitness: just for kicks, "grep -Hnris "skip-networking" /etc/" on the machine mysql is running on

[00:55:34]

FairWitness:

Running....

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havoc:

FairWitness: also do "SELECT * FROM Host;" in mysql

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – yeah, it's under the 'Storage Options' for the schedule.

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FairWitness:

havoc: Three refs in three my.cnf's, all beginning with a #.

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havoc:

FairWitness: also look for 'skip-networking' in any my.cnf file that may be around

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havoc:

FairWitness: ok

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FairWitness:

ahh.. Use mysql; first right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – To keep the most 10 current programs, set the episode limit to 10, and enable the option for "Delete oldest if this would exceed max episodes". Otherwise, it'll record 10, then stop.

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havoc:

FairWitness: netstat --tcp -na | grep 3306

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havoc:

FairWitness: yes :)

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havoc:

FairWitness: that last command will show you if mysql is in fact listening on a tcp port

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FairWitness:

table 'mysql.Host' doesn't exist.

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havoc:

hmm, older version than maybe

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havoc:

ah, table is 'host', not 'Host'

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FairWitness:

Empty set

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havoc:

my bad

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havoc:

ok, empty is good

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FairWitness:

Yay! I think.

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FairWitness:

The netstat says 3306 is open, listening as far as I can tell.

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AngryElf:

J-e-f-f-A, do you know if there's a way for myth to flag shows that have been watched already?

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havoc:

FairWitness: ok, so at least we know that much

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FairWitness:

AngryElf: If you mean ones that you have actually played through, I don't believe so.

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FairWitness:

havoc: So what do we know? It sounds like it mysql is definetly open and listening, and it looks as though the normal priveledges are granted for outside access.

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – I don't think it does it in the guide, but if you've got a scheduled recording setup, it will show you stuff that's currently recording in red, programs that will record in green, and the ones that match the recording schedule, but will not be recorded for one reason or another, in grey.

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havoc:

FairWitness: an what erorr are you getting when you try to connect from the command line?

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havoc:

FairWitness: ...from the remote machine?

[01:02:00]

FairWitness:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock (2) (all of this typed by hand mind you.

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AngryElf:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: (oops, it's dark purple, not grey.. but you get the idea.)

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havoc:

FairWitness: mysql -u <user> -p <hostname/IP>

[01:02:58]

FairWitness:

Prompt for password, then error.

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havoc:

FairWitness: mysql -u <user> -p <hostname/IP> <database name>

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: you can also go to the 'Previously Recorded" screen and see everything that you've recorded, even if it's been expired or deleted... (That's the DB that myth uses to avoid duplicate recordings)

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FairWitness:

havoc: Gives me the help. I assume it's an invalid option.

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havoc:

FairWitness: mysql -u <user> -p -h <hostname/IP> <database name>

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havoc:

my bad

[01:04:04]

FairWitness:

aah.

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havoc:

FairWitness: or: mysql -u <user> -p -h <hostname/IP>

[01:04:26]

FairWitness:

Well, now I get can't connect to mysql server on 192.168.0.100 (111) <<which is my remote>>

[01:04:42]

FairWitness:

Wonder if there is a log somewhere to determine why?

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havoc:

FairWitness: look in your my.cnf file under /etc somewhere

[01:05:51]

FairWitness:

All the logs on the remote machine are completely empty (odd)....

[01:06:01]

havoc:

FairWitness: something like "log = /var/log/mysql.log"

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FairWitness:

havoc: The my.cnf on the master?

[01:06:10]

AngryElf:

this is probably a stupid question......on the myth download page the links are php files, so i can't get a link to the actual file.......how would i do that?

[01:06:12]

havoc:

it's usually commented out

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havoc:

FairWitness: yes, on the mysqld machine

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FairWitness:

The mysql deamon has logs...lessee

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havoc:

FairWitness: enable loggin, but just be sure to disable it after the problem is solved or it will get HUGE

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FairWitness:

Wow.

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** FairWitness scrolls down a few thousand lines. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf – php is a dynamic web page — click thru to that page, then the file download should be on that page.

[01:08:41]

havoc:

FairWitness: 'G' in less goes to the end

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FairWitness:

Let's just tail the mysql.err and mysqld.err and try to connect.

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havoc:

FairWitness: 'g' to the begining, and 'F' "follows" like tail

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havoc:

almost dinner time

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FairWitness:

ouch.

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havoc:

hmm, it *is*

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** FairWitness hurries up and sets up a triplesplit screen. **

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havoc:

the wife is making something though

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havoc:

so I have time

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havoc:

this is actually my "weekend" (it's whent eh wife is home)

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swishy[work]:

havoc: keep refering to her as *the wife* to much and you might not ;)

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FairWitness:

alright...

[01:12:39]

FairWitness:

All that an nothing.

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FairWitness:

None of the three logs budge when I try to log in from the remote. Not the myql.err, mysqld.err, or mysql.log

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FairWitness:

That is odd.

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havoc:

tail fails on some systems

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havoc:

kill tail and re-tail

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havoc:

just to be sure

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FairWitness:

Done, and nothing. This must mean the server daemon isn't even being contacted properly.

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havoc:

swishy[work]: she doesn't mind being refered to as "The Wife" :)

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FairWitness:

Hahah.

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FairWitness:

My gf would *kill* to be referred to as "The Wife".

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FairWitness:

I think when we do tie the knot, she may officially change her name.

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havoc:

how else would you refer to her to strangers?

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FairWitness:

I think he meant you should say "my wife" not "the wife". Ergo I have to let "the dog" out. Some people take offense. Not me, but I've certainly seen it.

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havoc:

*ah*

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: I could think of a few other ways... But I will restrain myself — this is a family setting!

[01:16:01]

havoc:

well, not *my* wife :)

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havoc:

heh

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FairWitness:

And besides..you've been helping me with this for hours, we can't be strangers anymore right? Besides the anyonymity of the web and all.

[01:16:56]

** FairWitness kicks mysqld. **

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** FairWitness kicks phpmyadmin for not being supportive. **

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FairWitness:

Tried setting -P 3306 on the remote mysql, didn't help.

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fatmatt:

FairWitness: you've probably already checked this but have you set the listening address in my.cnf?

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FairWitness:

The port? It says 3306. The password (under [client]) is strangely commented out though.

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havoc:

FairWitness: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G4KlXs37.html

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havoc:

fatmatt: we did a netstat

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FairWitness:

Maybe it's that password commented out?? How can that work?

[01:21:58]

havoc:

and he can connect from a remote host, but not log in

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havoc:

FairWitness: what passwd commented out?

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FairWitness:

Under [client] in my.cnf, I have a line "#password = my_password"

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havoc:

FairWitness: ah, that just sets a default passwd

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havoc:

it's not needed

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FairWitness:

Gonna have to view that page on a wider screen..

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havoc:

FairWitness: ah, can scroll?

[01:24:20]

havoc:

can't

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fatmatt:

when he connects from a remote host, he's using the correct username? not trying to run myth from another account?

[01:24:53]

havoc:

fatmatt: I had him do "mysql -u mythtv -p -h <remote host>"

[01:25:29]

fatmatt:

not a mismatch between mysql versions? I had issues with 4.1 -> 5 changeover

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FairWitness:

havoc, I'm still doing most of this in knoppmyth, with the help of screen, irssi, and a bunch of xterms.

[01:25:59]

AngryElf:

how do i send a command to the remote display over ssh......it's something like DISPLAY=0:0 ???

[01:26:37]

FairWitness:

AngryElf: export "DISPLAY="someip:0"

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AngryElf:

that doesn't work

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fatmatt:

or maybe try being specific about the host in the grant tables.. I had issues with the wildcard once upon a time

[01:28:25]

AngryElf:

i'm sshd into the box i want to start mfe on, but it wont let me start with just 'mythfrontend'

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FairWitness:

AngryElf: It all depends on what you're trying to do.

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FairWitness:

AngryElf: When you try to run the frontend, what error do you get?

[01:30:01]

AngryElf:

nvm, it finally started up

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Qwell:

If a card wasn't working properly, would static "change" when you change the channel?

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Qwell:

if, of course, all one got were static

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** havoc hates not being able to just sit in fron tof remote machines and fix then **

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Qwell:

havoc: ssh ;)

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havoc:

Qwell: can only do so much, but it's usually enough

[01:32:33]

Qwell:

ssh + remote serial console...not a whole lot you can't do

[01:32:56]

havoc:

hard to swap CDs n such via ssh

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havoc:

although I do do a *lot* via ssh

[01:33:22]

Qwell:

umount /mnt/cdrom && mount -o loop /home/Qwell/CDs/myCD.iso /mnt/cdrom

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Qwell:

:p

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havoc:

like configuring my clients WAPs, etc..

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** havoc loves ssh port forwarding **

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havoc:

I have a linux box w/ multiple nics at most of my clients' sites

[01:34:40]

havoc:

reduces the need for face time

[01:34:51]

havoc:

which save a lot of gas money nowadays

[01:35:15]

havoc:

I really want one of those pvr-500 cards

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FairWitness:

havoc: Both good things.

[01:35:46]

havoc:

FairWitness: yeah, especially since I'm in the 7th *worst* IT market in the US (as of 2005)

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Qwell:

havoc: I'd like a working pvr150...that's be sweet :p

[01:36:01]

FairWitness:

What's the 1st.

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havoc:

FairWitness: not sure

[01:36:28]

havoc:

but Milwaukee was 7th worst

[01:36:31]

havoc:

pathetic :(

[01:36:39]

FairWitness:

I need to move up. NJ just, well it's NJ.

[01:37:04]

havoc:

I could get a better job in NE, but then I probably wouldn't own a house

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havoc:

Qwell: I like the idea of dual tuners

[01:38:18]

havoc:

for *almost* the price of one

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Qwell:

yeah, can't beat the price

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havoc:

I'm guessing it works with mythtv

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havoc:

(the pvr500)

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Qwell:

works fine with mythtv

[01:38:53]

havoc:

since I saw somehting about it in the docs

[01:38:56]

havoc:

cool

[01:39:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: look on ebay... I got mine for $138 shipped...

[01:39:37]

havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: $143 from newegg

[01:39:54]

havoc:

I'll buy it on my corp account w/ pre-tax dollars :)

[01:40:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: that works too! ;-)

[01:40:30]

havoc:

need another ~1TB of RAID first though :(

[01:40:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: I'm jealous... I'm running 760GB LVM... God help me if one of my drives fails...

[01:41:14]

havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: it's all for work, mostly client backups

[01:41:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Yeah, we've got a 20TB 'EVA' system at work, but I can't use it myself... ;-(

[01:42:21]

havoc:

fun

[01:42:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: And that's just for the Virtual Tape backup system from our mainframes...

[01:42:39]

havoc:

I've just got too many diff boxen w/ storage

[01:42:44]

havoc:

I need to centralize a bit

[01:43:22]

havoc:

2 2.2TB RAIDs, and several systems jsut storing backups on several 400GB drives a piece

[01:43:41]

havoc:

oops, 2 1.2TB systems

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Is that your personal stuff, or work?

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** havoc has no "personal" stuff :( **

[01:44:15]

havoc:

all for work

[01:44:29]

havoc:

but the company consists of me

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swishy[work]:

lol

[01:44:38]

swishy[work]:

havoc: thats handy

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swishy[work]:

:)

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fatmatt:

havoc: thats what I tell the tax man as well ;)

[01:44:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

hevoc: humph... hehe lol!

[01:44:49]

havoc:

fatmatt: hehe ;)

[01:45:11]

havoc:

but seriously, all my computer related stuff gets used for work, mostly

[01:45:25]

havoc:

I'd rather be cooking or building something than anything to do with computers

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havoc:

the mythtv stuff is because the wife is on nights now for the next year or two :(

[01:46:15]

havoc:

and our current tuners are cheap WinTV-go cards

[01:46:20]

havoc:

like $30 new

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havoc:

I'd like something with an onboard mpeg chipp

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FairWitness:

Anyone think it odd that running mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.0.100 mythconverg doesn't work *on* 192.168.0.100?

[01:46:41]

havoc:

hence the desire for the pvr500 :)

[01:47:02]

havoc:

FairWitness: check the route

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havoc:

"route -n"

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: I had 3 Dish PVR's before getting into myth — I wanted to be able to watch what I recorded on -any- tv, not just the one it was recorded on. Plus I liked it's expansion potential...

[01:47:44]

havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: we just want a digital "VCR", as we don't have hdtv, or in fact any decent TV

[01:47:50]

havoc:

or digital cable

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havoc:

just analog

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FairWitness:

Never used route....interesting.

[01:48:08]

fatmatt:

I got a new dvb card a couple of weeks ago, something with irqs on my mb though probably means I'll need to upgrade... pita, mind you, I think there's something wrong with that board, I sometimes get hdd errors that look like they have something to do with timeouts and I know those hdds are good

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: If the mysql security is goofed up, then yeah. try 'localhost' instead of 192.168.0.100 and see if that works...

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havoc:

FairWitness: well, even if you don't get the problem fixed, you've sure learned a lot tonight :)

[01:48:21]

FairWitness:

I have that.

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Qwell:

FairWitness: What are the permissions like for that user?

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: Localhost works fine.

[01:48:49]

Qwell:

%? localhost?

[01:48:54]

Qwell:

localhost != 192.168.0.100

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FairWitness:

Of course, I can't put "localhost" on the remote box.

[01:49:17]

Qwell:

Then change the permissions, and add that host

[01:49:21]

FairWitness:

Qwell: Which permissions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: I've got 3 Dish receivers feeding S-video into a PVR-500 and a PVR-250, and a HD3000 tuner for OTA...

[01:49:26]

FairWitness:

The ones in mysql?

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Qwell:

host allow permissions

[01:49:28]

Qwell:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: and my 'tvs' are now pc monitors.

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FairWitness:

havoc: Didn't we check those earlier?

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havoc:

FairWitness: I Think so

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havoc:

FairWitness: that last paste from me is what I have, and it works for me

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FairWitness:

oh frak. let me try something.

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, we have a crappy 19" TV w/ broken sound (have to pipe through vcr to stereo), but we both have 21" LCDs

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: If it comforts you any, when I setup my first backend box, I screwed up the permissions pretty good and it took me a couple of days to straighten it out (but I didn't use the irc channel then... that was over a year ago...)

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cipher:

hey guys

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havoc:

my brain is getting fried now, so I'm not sure how good my help is any longer tonight

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: nice! (lcds)... I have a 20" crt monitor in our bedroom and a 37" CRT monitor in the living room... (Work replaced it with a 40" LCD, and I had to do a little work to it, but it works GREAT!)

[01:52:22]

havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: we each have ViewSonic VX2000's

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havoc:

not great, but not bad either

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cipher:

had a question about the HD-3000 card from pchdtv.com

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: nice. My co-worker just bought a 24" widescreen... it's incredible... but at 999, I can't touch it!

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: My problem is I wouldn't know screwed up permissions if they smacked me in the face.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I'll try — I have one...

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FairWitness:

I've been looking into the HD-3000s. Seems like a good idea for the price.

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havoc:

HD-3000?

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havoc:

URL?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: I bought mine during the 'broadcast flag' scare... paid $250 for it IIRC...

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havoc:

that for US?

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havoc:

or EU?

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AngryElf:

if the reason my remote isn't working is because i plugged the ir-receiver into the 2nd com port i'm gonna be pissed.....i'm tired of unhooking and moving this box around!

[01:54:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: sorry — I sometimes forget this is a 'worldwide' audience... That's USD.

[01:54:57]

havoc:

ah, cool

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cipher:

yeah, and I'm all about supporting linux, even if it's twice the price, but I wanted to know about quality and how the analog reception is

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J-e-f-f-A:

ciper: HDTV quality is perfect — it's just dumping the 'raw' stream to disk. I can't vouch for the analog quality as I don't use it.

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: I know little of available hardware. mostly cuz I couldn't afford most of it anyway

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: I held out on that decision till the last minute. Now they're relatively cheap. Was yours worth it?

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eido:

evenin folks.

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cipher:

ok, and you use the digital cable connection? vs. an antenna (if you use an antenna, how i it?)

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: My perms have Host as % an user as mythtv. That should mean no restriction right? Although the next line is host localhost, user mythtv.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: Yes, I think so.

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cipher:

how i it=how is it?^^

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havoc:

ok, time for me to eat dinner

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I use an antenna, and get 22 channels with it pointed at Boston. (I'm ~25 miles from Boston)

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FairWitness:

How can I just explicitly add in an IP address? Wouldn't that be a good test?

[01:57:21]

** havoc will bbl or tomorrow **

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eido:

hmm. does mythfrontend log to a file somewhere? trying to figure out why my livetv is failing.

[01:57:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

If I put up a rotor and aimed it with Myth, I'd probably gain another 10 channels...

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eido:

doh. /var/log/mythtv. *duh*

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Grubsy:

any videos card work better than others outputting to tv?

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FairWitness:

Grubsy: I'm wondering that myself. I'm told that nvidias seem to be preferred, sometimes older models.

[01:58:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

Grubsy: Nvidia all the way! GF4 or better with xvmc is the best IMHO...

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eido:

my understanding is any nvidia card with an s-video out works. i have MX400's.

[01:59:10]

FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: You still doing the grayscale OSD or did you get the chroma-key to work?

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Grubsy:

xvmc?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Let's put it this way, a GF4 with xvmc and only a 1Ghz processor can almost play HD 1080i without suttering...

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Grubsy:

so a 660GT would be good?

[01:59:41]

cipher:

the next thing I want to do is hook up my mythtv to my television upstairs and control it, any good ideas?

[01:59:46]

Grubsy:

6600GT

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FairWitness:

I still have issues with "jitter" I'm trying to resolve since my move to the HD LCDTV.

[02:00:02]

Grubsy:

ok

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cipher:

I can use svideo, but I need a good way to get IR/RF/cmd signals to the box...

[02:00:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: Not sure — I think my osd is only black & white anyways — I like it simple.

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Grubsy:

my PAL TV only does 576P which is meant be be HDTV

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: I've noticed 'jitter' at times too... and if I pause, the hardware xvmc is using page-flipping, where the OSD is on one page, but not the other, so it flashes the osd display...

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: That's the major drawback to the current xvmc implementation. There are some very nice OSDs out there, and I find the grayscale ones, even the best of them, to pale by comparison. no pun intended.

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Grubsy:

btw does anyone know if the USB IR receiver that comes with a visionplus card (for .au) work ?

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FairWitness:

I get perfect (and I mean perfect) output 3/4 of every minute. The other 1/4 the picture (and more noticeably, the thin lined OSD) jitter almost unreadably.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: Yeah, I suppose. But I'm willing to live with it until I get around to building a kick-a$$ frontend with at least a 3Ghz processor...

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: I thought so too, but I'm learning that it isn't always about the power. That 3Ghz box will likely have the same issue if used in the same setup.

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FairWitness:

Just like my mythbox was perfect until I bought this damn LCD and have been running at high-rez.

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eido:

hm, does myth -require- a datadirect account ot operate at all? (I'm in video source setup, and i'm gettin g XMLTV listings grabber (north american (DataDirect))...

[02:03:43]

FairWitness:

I need a smoke bad and omg look at the time.

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: any ideas for an extended IR receiver?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: But with 3Ghz, I wouldn't need to use xvmc... Which I believe is the source of the osd issues, right?

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randy_:

Just so you know, your 3ghz box (which would have to be intel) will be much slower than an athlon64

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FairWitness:

J-e-f-f-A: Nope, I'm not using xvmc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

randy_ Actually, I've got a brand-new A64 3000 sitting right here... I'm an Athlon fan.

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FairWitness:

It's all about tv-timings and how your output card encodes the TV signal. I'm hoping to test my theories with a DVI enabled monitor once I get one.

[02:05:07]

eido:

mm, athlon

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eido:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor

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eido:

stepping : 2

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eido:

cpu MHz : 1110.195

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eido:

<-- ancient athlon user :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: Are you using a combined frontend/backend, and want to 'remote' the video or such?

[02:06:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: hehe... My 'old' laptop is a Athlon Mobile 1GHz...

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eido:

*grin* wel, the laptop i'm typing on:

[02:07:09]

eido:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1400MHz

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: Once I get my new card (prolly the HD-3000), I will run an svideo cable from my tv upstairs to my single computer (fe & be) downstairs

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eido:

yay! my zap2it "retreive lineups" just worked!

[02:08:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: My new laptop (15 mos old now) is a P4 3.2Ghz HT... My first "Intel" chip in ~10 years...

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: I need a way to get the IR/control signals to the computer

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eido:

J-e-f-f-A: yikes. that's.. .a lot of horsepower in a laptop.

[02:10:07]

eido:

okay, i love running mythtv-setup or mythfrontend on an xterm on my tv. so i can watch what's going on :)

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FairWitness:

I'm trying to see if this 700hz laptop I have can be used as a frontend.

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FairWitness:

eido: Those are the times when you realize why Linux is vastly more powerful than Windows sometimes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: Ok. You'll need to run svideo & audio cables too (but you know that already!). Perhaps the easiest way would be to run a length of wire from your PC's serial port to a home-made (or purchased) serial IR receiver upstairs... (anyone else have an opinion or other idea?)

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FairWitness:

My winbox can't copy to a usb drive, browse the web and open a folder w/o choking.

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eido:

FairWitness: like there was any debate. :) :) that's not an rgument i need to have very often :)

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eido:

of the 6 machines running in this room right now, only one is running windows :) and that's cuz i play Eve on it :)

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FairWitness:

I love the fact that my mythbox is now where most of my work is done, remotely, via an 11b wireless down to a hub, down to an 11g connection, and still doesn't choke when running *everything*.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Yeah, I wasn't going to buy it, but then I did something stupid — I was flashing my 1ghz laptop's bios, and bang it fried... So in a pinch (I was working remotely at the time), I went out and spent the $1400 on the new one... It was a great deal — 17" widescreen, 3.2 HT P4, 512mb ram, 80gb hdd... lots for the dough...

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** eido nodnods. **

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eido:

i'm a total Thinkpad nut.

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Grubsy:

can't you get IR extenders

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eido:

http://planet-geek.com/archives/000876.html :) (that's me on my debian install on this laptop)

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FairWitness:

Alright, I've banged my head on this long enough.

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FairWitness:

Grubsy: If you have a serial IR, I think you can get serial cables at least 25' long.

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cipher:

i wish i had another box to sacrifice

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** eido is watching a zap2it initial database populate run. **

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eido:

edious.

[02:13:58]

eido:

tedious, rather.

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cipher:

how is the quality of a frontend and backend separated over a network?

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FairWitness:

Tomorrows topic to conquer:Why will mysql allow access from localhost, but not using the IP of the local host.

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eido:

FairWitness: oo! i know! i know!

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dtm:

FairWitness: because localhost's ip address is 127.0.0.1

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dtm:

not whatever you typed in

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eido:

dtm: possibly. or mysql is configured to not use networking.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Grubsy, cipher: Yeah, but he'd still need an ir receiver downstairs to receive the ir signals that get relayed down there... Although I do recall hearing/seeing an ir extender that connected via usb or serial on the receiver... Let me see if I can find it with a little googling...

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eido:

(skip-networking)

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dtm:

eido: i suppose so!

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FairWitness:

Well yes, but I should be able to specify the actual IP of the box, and it should also let me log in from that box.

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eido:

FairWitness: only if mysql is listening on a network socket.

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eido:

which it may not be doing.

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dtm:

FairWitness: 127.0.0.1 is an actual IP address.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: It's better not to watch... it takes 20–30 mins the first time to download 14 days of data...

[02:15:55]

eido:

mysql can do a local connect – it's faster than a network socket.

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dtm:

FairWitness: if you want it to listen on a different actual ip address, then you'll need to enable that

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Grubsy:

something liket his: http://www.digicams-uk.com/category33_1.htm

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FairWitness:

eido: A netstat seems to confirm it is listening on port 3306.

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eido:

J-e-f-f-A: that's why i have my laptop :)

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FairWitness:

havoc: What was that netstat command you had me run again?

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eido:

FairWitness: telnet localhost 3306 (does it answer). then telnet 127.0.0.1 3306

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Grubsy:

FairWitness, but then u need to have a cable running through the house

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: remote frontend quality is perfect — it's transferring the data digitally to your frontend, so as long as you don't run out of bandwidth, it's perfect...

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eido:

jemarcks_: it's up to aptil 16th! :)

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eido:

er.

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eido:

J-e-f-f-A: rather

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FairWitness:

Grubsy: How far do you have to go? Is an RF remote (ATI) a possibility?

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cipher:

very cool, so a 100mbits lan is fine?

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Grubsy:

it isnt me FairWitness, someone else needed to do it :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: absolutely...

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FairWitness:

Oh, soz.

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Grubsy:

np :)

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havoc:

FairWitness: netstat --tcp -an | grep 3306

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FairWitness:

(I finally figured out how to copy)

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FairWitness:

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

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FairWitness:

Is that the problem? It's only listening on 127... and not also on 192....?

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fatmatt:

FairWitness: looks like that to me

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FairWitness:

Ok, maybe not time to go to bed. How do I fix that?

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fatmatt:

theres a bind address line in my.cnf I think

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** FairWitness frantically searches my.cnf **

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fatmatt:

I think in 5.1 you just replace the line where it listens on localhost with your actual ip

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FairWitness:

Prolly have to restart mysql...

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havoc:

FairWitness: doh

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FairWitness:

It would be totally my bad if this works havoc. I told you it looks fine earlier.

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FairWitness:

Course, you trusted my dumb ass. :)

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havoc:

FairWitness: duh, you can have multiple bind-address entries in my.cnf

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havoc:

FairWitness: I have 2

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FairWitness:

havoc: seperate w/spaces?

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havoc:

one for 127.0.0.1 and one for 192.168.1.1

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: so, about that HD-3000, good choice? any regrets?/things to watch out for? or an external remote(doesn't come w/one)?

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havoc:

FairWitness: no, on diff lines

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havoc:

FairWitness:

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havoc:

bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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havoc:

bind-address = 192.168.1.1

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havoc:

like that

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havoc:

FairWitness: I should have asked you to paste the output from netstat before, sorry :(

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FairWitness:

That's when I couldn't paste remember?

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havoc:

FairWitness: ah

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FairWitness:

btw, middle click = left+right click. :)

[02:24:27]

havoc:

FairWitness: FYI, I have the bind-address line in the [mysqld] section

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eido:

okay, am i doing this right... in Input connections, the only hookup I have is:

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: Great choice IMHO... No regrets. When I first bought it, there was no 'native' kernel support, so I had a few headaches there (plus I was very new to linux then), but now it's got native kernel support, so it's much easier to setup...

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eido:

[V4L : /dev/video0] (Tuner) -> cable

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eido:

'cable' is the name i set up for my comcast cable connection.

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havoc:

like I said, my brain is fried

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J-e-f-f-A:

ciper: no remote with it, although the tuner card itself was designed to support one as it's got a port, but I don't know of any receiver being availble for it...

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** havoc goes back to cooking ... **

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FairWitness:

****SUCCESSS*****

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Laggy_McGee:

My cable lineup just changed – how do I refresh my lineup?

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eido:

re-run mythfilldatabase i'd guess.

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Laggy_McGee:

I'm using Zap2It and I did mythfilldatabase, and it didn't work

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FairWitness:

Did everyone hear me scream? I'm in NJ so if you're in the eastern or central time-zones it should have been audible.

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Laggy_McGee:

the fill worked – the lineup didn't change, though

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWitness: "Tell him what he's won, Jonny!" Congratulations!!!

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havoc:

FairWitness: cool :)

[02:26:13]

FairWitness:

Very!

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Laggy_McGee:

FairWitness: I'm in NJ, too – does that mean your lineup changed, too?

[02:26:35]

FairWitness:

Thanks to all! Now I have to reboot this knoppmyth because I can't seem to get it to restart.

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havoc:

FairWitness: good luck :)

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Qwell:

bahahaha...friggen thing

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Qwell:

us-cable-hrc

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FairWitness:

Thanks again, after this I'm going to bed. Later all.

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havoc:

now I don't feel so bad; at one person's problem got solved :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: [least] ?

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eido:

hi... i hate to be whiny, but i'm stuck – i'm missing some connection here, and i'm not sure what. could folks take a loo kat this – this is what happens when i try to run livetv...

[02:28:45]

eido:

http://pastebin.com/643406

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: what do you use to control it?

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: um, yeah

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eido:

i've restarted the mythbackend after adding a new source, and running mythfilldatabse

[02:29:03]

eido:

mythtv-setup is showing all my channels correctly.

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: 'brain fry', remember? :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I have IR receivers on my frontends... My backend is just a backend with a bunch of disk & 4 tuners... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: no problemo! I understand 900% ;-)

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eido:

waht's odd is it says "Start channel inalid, setting to '1' on input Tuner instead' – i had mine set to '3' – which should be a valid channel.

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eido:

or is my frequency table wrong? i have it for 'comcaste digital' – though i don't actually have a digital tuner.

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eido:

hey xris

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J-e-f-f-A:

hi xris!

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eido:

any suggestoins? :-/

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: does the tuner work ok outside of myth?

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eido:

J-e-f-f-A: i'm not sure. how can i test?

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: what kind of receiver do you use? USB/serial/homemade?

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hijjt:

eido, is it ivtv? or bttv? or cx

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hijjt:

eido, is it an encoder card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: In my br, I have the M$ mediacenter remote with it's USB receiver. On my X-box frontend, it's got the 'standard' DVD receiver (which is USB btw), and on my backend I built a serial receiver. All work flawlessly...

[02:33:50]

eido:

yes, Hauppage 150

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hijjt:

test it with mplayer

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eido:

hmm, never done that. sec.

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hijjt:

eido, mplayer /dev/video0

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eido:

i assume the backend needs to be stopped.

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hijjt:

eido, shouldn't

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido — I don't think so.

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eido:

okay, mpayer /dev/video0 shows me a staticy scren

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hijjt:

eido, to change the channel use ivtv-tune

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eido:

like, no signal, but the tuner is obviously working.

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, which receiver did you make? (sorry for all these questions, tight budget and google has [i[too[/i] much information...)

[02:35:41]

eido:

huh.

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eido:

no pic.

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eido:

i mean, just static.

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: trying to ask around, for user experience, as there are few things that can compete with that

[02:35:51]

** eido wponders if the cable is unplugged. **

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eido:

One moment!

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hijjt:

edio, you can use ivtv-tune -c "channum"

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hijjt:

to change channels in mplayer, if you don't have a digital tuner you cant get digital channels... but there are probably a few not digital ones

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I built the 'buffered' one on lirc.org — http://lirc.org/receivers.html — just past 1/2 down the page...

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I 'recycled' the IR receiver out of a broken VCR. Works great!

[02:39:15]

eido:

gosh, having the ACTUAL CABLE PLUGGED IN helped

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eido:

now mplayer is showing me an image at least :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: (and 'stole' 5v from the usb port via a dead usb mouse cable... ;-)

[02:40:00]

cipher:

J-e-f-f-A : you took the remote and the IR rcvr? then ported it that way? -very cool!

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: rotfl! Glad it's working there... Hopefully myth likes it now...

[02:40:51]

eido:

okay, so here's where i'm at.

[02:40:56]

eido:

no, mythtv is still unhappy

[02:40:56]

eido:

2006-04–05 22:40:04.174 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

[02:40:56]

eido:

2006-04–05 22:40:04.181 TVRec(1) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '1' on input Tuner instead.

[02:40:56]

eido:

2006-04–05 22:40:04.185 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 1

[02:40:59]

eido:

sorry for the paste.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: You can use almost any remote with a serial receiver since the decoding is done in software. (as long as the carrier frequency of the remote and the receiver are tolerant of each-other)

[02:42:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: when you ran mythtvsetup, did you set the starting channel properly, and you have your channels setup there too?

[02:42:34]

eido:

yes and yes, i think

[02:42:39]

eido:

lemme confirm though.

[02:43:13]

cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: have any tips of figuring out the freq. of a remote? since I already have a 36kHz IR module...

[02:43:25]

eido:

so... capture card has device /dev/video0 (Analog V4L capture card)

[02:43:37]

eido:

default input is 'tuner 0' which i think is al right

[02:43:59]

cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: btw, how is capturing through the other interfaces on that HD-3000?

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eido:

video sources has just one entry ('cable'), which has an XMLTV listings entry, DD lineup says 'comcast cabledigital' channel frequency table says 'us-cable' (that's right, isn't it?)

[02:44:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I use my oscillescope, but if you don't have one (most people don't!), then you could just hook the receiver module up to 5v, and an LED to the output of the module. If it flashes when you point your remote at the receiver, it will work fine... 36khz is pretty standard, and should work fine I think.

[02:44:40]

eido:

and input connections has 'V4l: /dev/video0] (Tuner) -> cable

[02:44:54]

eido:

starting channel is '3'

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hijjt:

eido do you have analog cable or digital cable

[02:45:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: v4l? If you're using a 150, change it to "PVR 250"...

[02:45:32]

eido:

well. now. that's a good question. i think we have digital cable around here, but i don't have a digital tuner :(

[02:45:36]

eido:

J-e-f-f-A: oh? hm.

[02:45:59]

eido:

i see. "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)

[02:46:00]

eido:

that one?

[02:46:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: let me check the 'exact' setting... yeah, that's it...

[02:46:08]

hijjt:

eido, yeah

[02:46:20]

eido:

done.

[02:46:30]

eido:

will i need to change anything else?

[02:46:32]

hijjt:

eido, also you need to change your lineup from the digital cable to one that is analog or stuff is going to be wrong

[02:47:03]

eido:

hmm. okay.

[02:47:22]

eido:

i don't want to do another mythfilldatbase right now.. .even if the channels are wrong, i want to see an image at least :)

[02:47:52]

** eido restarts the backend, and goes back into mythfrontend **

[02:47:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: I don't know if it will work, but give it a shot.

[02:48:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: You'll probably at least see static in myth now...

[02:48:20]

eido:

same error :(

[02:48:22]

eido:

no static :(

[02:48:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: after you changed the tuner, did you setup the sources again? I think they get 'lost' if you change the tuner type.

[02:49:18]

hijjt:

eido, you need to change your sources to an analog source or you will have a bad frequency table for the programs and crap

[02:49:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: ie: linking your source to /video0 tuner input...

[02:49:22]

eido:

oh. that's possible.

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** eido deletes all video sources **

[02:49:48]

hijjt:

then fill the database again

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abarbaccia:

hey all – when installing from source – how do you remove certain things from the menus – like mythphone for example

[02:50:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido,hijjt: yeah – I though perhaps he would at least get 'static' though.

[02:50:21]

eido:

gr.

[02:50:23]

Beirdo:

Oh, fun

[02:50:26]

abarbaccia:

is there a script for it already? or do i have to edit the theme file directly?

[02:50:34]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah but didnt he get a picture in mplayer?

[02:50:40]

eido:

i can only select 'Data Direct Lineup: Comcast-CableDigital-Digital-0170-MA20461'

[02:50:41]

Beirdo:

I somehow slightly borked my recording scheduler.

[02:50:43]

eido:

(which is wher ei am :)

[02:50:46]

Beirdo:

I THINK it's fixed now

[02:50:53]

hijjt:

eido, even on the website?

[02:50:59]

eido:

just going to the website now

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eido:

sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt – yeah, he got a picture with mplayer...

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cipher:

J-e-f-f-a: how are the other inputs on the HD-3000? are there outputs (website unclear...)?

[02:52:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: are you near me perhaps? I could come over... ;-) (01752)

[02:52:24]

eido:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, i'm in natick, ma :)

[02:52:38]

eido:

okay, i see on zap2it "Comcast – Needham – Cable Ready"

[02:52:40]

eido:

that sounds right

[02:52:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Marlboro! ;-) Probably only 10 miles from you... "It's a small world after all..." ;-)

[02:52:58]

eido:

oh! cool!

[02:52:59]

eido:

hi :)

[02:53:13]

eido:

yah, i'm right on lake cochituate down rt 9 from you :0

[02:53:22]

eido:

okay, lineup added.

[02:53:35]

** eido hits 'retrieve lineups' **

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J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: No outputs. RF input, S-Video in, Composite in, r/l in (1/8" jack), remote in (2.5mm)

[02:54:24]

eido:

okay, running a mythfilldatabase.

[02:55:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: You may have to delete the 'bad' digital channels, unless they get replaced by the analog channels you're downloading now. (if they have the same channel number and channel ID, the'll get replaced, otherwise you'll have both... But this is easily cleaned up with mythweb now...)

[02:56:40]

eido:

did a 'well i'm hosed here.

[02:56:43]

eido:

oops,

[02:56:51]

eido:

i don't mind them labelled wrong

[02:56:55]

eido:

but i'm still getting:

[02:57:24]

eido:

http://pastebin.com/643434

[02:57:26]

eido:

that

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hijjt:

eido, ok so in mythtv-setup what is the default channel?

[02:58:38]

hijjt:

eido, and what is the start channel

[02:58:38]

eido:

i set it to '3'

[02:58:41]

eido:

oh.

[02:58:42]

eido:

sec.

[02:59:22]

eido:

Preset tuner to channel: [ ]

[02:59:28]

eido:

Starting channel: [ 3]

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hijjt:

eido, try putting them both to like 29 or 30

[03:00:05]

hijjt:

eido well preset tuner channel anyway

[03:00:26]

eido:

done. should i restart mythbackend?

[03:00:27]

hijjt:

eido, starting channel should be a channel that you have

[03:00:39]

eido:

yah, channel 30 is valid.

[03:00:57]

eido:

same error

[03:01:02]

eido:

should i restart the backend?

[03:01:04]

eido:

i'm tempted to reboot :(

[03:01:10]

hijjt:

eido, doesn't it give you an error when you run mythtv-setup

[03:01:24]

eido:

says that mythbackend is running

[03:01:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: yes, restart the backend if you didn't do it after the changes...

[03:01:34]

eido:

should i stop it befor erunning mythtv-setup

[03:01:49]

hijjt:

you might have to reboot because you may have messed up the ivtv drivers by trying to use them as an analog tv tuner card when they are an mpeg2 encoder card

[03:02:05]

eido:

hmm. okay

[03:02:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: good point...

[03:02:07]

** eido reboots **

[03:02:24]

eido:

eta from reboot – about 4 minutes.

[03:02:27]

** eido checks mail while waiting :) **

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hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I had that happen when I first got the card, I was used to just running with my old bttv card, I replaced it with a pvr-350

[03:02:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

[jeapordy heard in the background...]

[03:03:06]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, couldn't just use xawtv or zapping anymore.

[03:03:19]

eido:

i've neve rhad the tuner working since i bumped up my knoppmyth install to move to 0.19. just never got aorund to setting it up.

[03:03:23]

eido:

(past lilo, kernel loading)

[03:03:37]

cipher:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for your help, this should be enough for me to sink into...!

[03:03:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: My first card was a 350, before I even knew about MythTV. I bought it at a computer show to build a PC-based PVR. Then I found out about Myth, and lo-and-behold, it was perfect for Myth!!!! ;-) I was very happy!

[03:04:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I still have a couple of issues that I worked around — Probably because of my 'newness' to Linux... For example:

[03:05:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: I had to put a chmod 666 /dev/dvb/adapter*/* in my startup or I'd get permission errors (backend runs as mythtv user, not root)

[03:05:20]

eido:

ooo, that's a permission issue on setup...

[03:05:27]

eido:

i've heard tell that's tricy in home-built myth setups.

[03:05:31]

eido:

'swhy i run knoppmyth :)

[03:06:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

cipher: and there was one other one that slips my mind at the moment... I think I had to do a modprobe c88xx in the startups too... Nonetheless, it's worked out now that everything works 100% on re-boot, even if it is 'hacked' a little bit...

[03:06:13]

hijjt:

eido, I haven't had any trouble with my gentoo or ubuntu systems

[03:06:18]

eido:

ooohkay. post reboot now, still getting the 'Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '1' on input Tuner instead."

[03:06:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm running FC4...

[03:06:24]

eido:

which... seems odd.

[03:06:28]

eido:

since i did in fact change it.

[03:06:40]

cipher:

I have my mythbox running sarge

[03:06:45]

eido:

btw, i -can- play recordings. but that's not using the tuner. :(

[03:06:45]

cipher:

very stable

[03:06:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Ok, let's review your settings... /dev/video0 is Hardware x50 tuner, right?

[03:06:59]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, you could just add yourself to the group that owns /dev/dvb

[03:07:46]

eido:

er, is there an easy way to check? wait, it must be, because 'mplayer /dev/video0' worked.

[03:08:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: gee, that's a good idea. I don't know why that escaped me... duh! That's like looking at a piece of code for two hours trying to find an error, and having somebody walk up behind you and say "You're missing a comma here->", and blammo, everything works great... Thanks!

[03:08:18]

hijjt:

eido, mplayer /dev/video0 is just playing the mpeg2 stream from the card

[03:08:53]

eido:

right, but that's all livetv is, isn't it?

[03:09:04]

eido:

wait, no, livetv uses the ringbuffe.r.

[03:09:06]

** eido shaddups. **

[03:09:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: We need to check that the card is setup right (it is, dev/video0 is x50)

[03:09:21]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, no problem :-) I have used all sorts of hackups in the past for linux, I am getting much better at doing things the right way

[03:09:30]

eido:

okay, so what's next?

[03:09:36]

** eido likes such a noob. **

[03:09:38]

eido:

er

[03:09:40]

eido:

feels like.

[03:09:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: and confirm that the channel lineup looks right in mythtvsetup...

[03:09:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: and that the channel lineup is associated with that tuner input...

[03:10:00]

eido:

hang on hang on.

[03:10:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: hehe... ;-)

[03:10:31]

eido:

so, mythtv-setup is saying 'mythtv has detected that hte backend is running' – that's okay, long as i restart backend after changes, right?

[03:10:59]

hijjt:

eido, I would shut it down to be save

[03:11:05]

hijjt:

eido safe

[03:11:06]

eido:

okee.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: yeah, better to be safe.

[03:11:27]

eido:

root@mythtv:/var/log/mythtv# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

[03:11:27]

eido:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend .

[03:11:29]

eido:

done :)

[03:12:15]

eido:

so, under capture cards, i have [MPEG: /dev/video0]

[03:12:31]

eido:

which says 'MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, pvr-500)

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eido:

video device /dev/video0

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hijjt:

eido that is good

[03:13:02]

eido:

default input is 'tuner 0'

[03:13:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: good so far...

[03:13:06]

eido:

but there's also 'tuner'

[03:13:17]

eido:

(and s-video and composite and lal that, i know i don't want those :)

[03:13:43]

eido:

tuner or tuner 0 ?

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hijjt:

eido you just want tuner0 I believe, although there shouldn't be 2 tuner entries unless you got a pvr 500

[03:13:58]

eido:

nope, got a pvr-150

[03:14:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido... let me see what my 500 is set to... Oh yeah, i use svideo... but I don't have a 'tuner' entry, just "tuner 0"

[03:14:21]

eido:

ivtv0: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card (cx23416 based)

[03:14:21]

eido:

ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0

[03:14:37]

hijjt:

eido, my pvr 350 also has no tuner entry, only tuner0

[03:14:41]

eido:

huh

[03:14:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: yep -that's good — that tells you it's /dev/video0

[03:14:53]

eido:

okay, so i'll use tuner 0

[03:15:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido, hijjt: so far so good...

[03:15:12]

eido:

under video sources, i have jhust 'cable'

[03:15:27]

kormoc:

my m179 (pvr 250 rebranded) only has tuner-0 as well

[03:15:36]

eido:

and that... says 'source name ' 'cable' MXLTV.. yaddayadda. DDL: comcast-cable-cable ready-zipcode'

[03:15:41]

eido:

channel frequnency table: default

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eido:

(there's a checkbox here that says 'Perform EIT Scan' – and i'm eiting! :) should i do anything about that? it's unchecked.

[03:16:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: You might have to change the frequency table to us-cable

[03:17:01]

eido:

oka, changed.

[03:17:03]

kormoc:

eido, EIT is for dvb card

[03:17:10]

eido:

ah. okay, skip that.

[03:17:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: (it shouldn't hurt anyways, even if default is cable already)

[03:17:36]

eido:

okay, under input connectoipns, I have only one [MPEG: /dev/video0] (Tuner) -> cable

[03:17:55]

eido:

display name, cideo source: cable, preset tuner to channel 30, starting channe: 30, input preference: 0

[03:18:14]

eido:

(BTW, i appreciate -all- the help here... i know this is tedious :-/ )

[03:18:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: that should do the trick. I'd clear the preset tuner channel, as that's usually only if you're using an external tuner.

[03:18:37]

eido:

k

[03:18:42]

eido:

done.

[03:18:45]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, this is completely unrelated but do you know what the programgeneres table does?

[03:18:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: the starting channel can be any 'real' channel — it will actually change with every successful channel change.

[03:18:59]

kormoc:

it lists the generes of the programs

[03:19:16]

eido:

should i rerun mythfilldatabase?

[03:19:17]

hijjt:

I don't have one of those tables

[03:19:19]

** eido assumes not :) **

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hijjt:

Database error was:

[03:19:29]

hijjt:

Table 'mythconverg.programgenres' doesn't exist

[03:19:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Ok,do the channels look ok in the channel editor?

[03:19:39]

kormoc:

what did you do?

[03:19:44]

eido:

yup, they did.

[03:19:48]

eido:

complete and realistic.

[03:20:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Well, try firing up the backend and let's see if it's working now...

[03:20:09]

hijjt:

kormoc, donno everything seems to work fine

[03:20:21]

hijjt:

kormoc, I just get that error on mythfilldatabase

[03:20:40]

eido:

no dice :( :( :(

[03:20:42]

eido:

same error message.

[03:20:52]

kormoc:

eido, what's your error message?

[03:21:01]

kormoc:

hijjt, odd... first install?

[03:21:02]

eido:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/643434

[03:21:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: bummer....

[03:21:18]

hijjt:

kormoc, a long while ago

[03:21:30]

kormoc:

eido, you do need a default tv channel

[03:21:36]

eido:

i have one though

[03:21:43]

kormoc:

eido, it's saying it's ''

[03:21:46]

eido:

yes, i know that :)

[03:21:57]

eido:

that's why i'm tyring to figure out what's wrong :)

[03:22:05]

kormoc:

know anything bout mysql?

[03:22:08]

eido:

sure.

[03:22:14]

hijjt:

kormoc, phpMyAdmin

[03:22:21]

hijjt:

eido, phpMyAdmin

[03:22:26]

eido:

heh. i'm intimately familiar with the mysql commandline, thankyouverymuch :)

[03:22:32]

eido:

whatcha need?

[03:22:36]

hijjt:

eido, sexy

[03:22:42]

eido:

*snrk*

[03:22:51]

kormoc:

eido, gonna find out where that defult channel is stored and gonna query it

[03:23:04]

eido:

sure, what table?

[03:23:09]

** eido is in mythconverg now **

[03:23:22]

kormoc:

I think it's in settings

[03:23:36]

eido:

hah, 598 rows in settings.

[03:23:38]

** eido browses **

[03:23:43]

kormoc:

Settings has data and value, right?

[03:23:47]

eido:

yeah

[03:23:47]

eido:

i got it

[03:23:55]

kormoc:

kk :)

[03:24:09]

eido:

+------------------+------+----------+

[03:24:09]

eido:

| value | data | hostname |

[03:24:09]

eido:

+------------------+------+----------+

[03:24:09]

eido:

| DefaultTVChannel | 3 | fourier |

[03:24:09]

eido:

| DefaultTVChannel | 3 | mythtv |

[03:24:10]

eido:

+------------------+------+----------+

[03:24:16]

eido:

(fourier???)

[03:24:17]

kormoc:

huh

[03:24:21]

kormoc:

that's a host entry

[03:24:29]

eido:

i wonder if the knoppmyth setup was slightly wonky.

[03:24:29]

kormoc:

the settings are per host name

[03:24:32]

** eido nods. **

[03:24:34]

kormoc:

likely

[03:24:35]

eido:

hostname is definately mythtv

[03:24:53]

kormoc:

hrm, odd

[03:25:00]

hijjt:

eido, not really

[03:25:05]

eido:

root@mythtv:/var/log/mythtv# uname -n

[03:25:05]

eido:

mythtv

[03:25:11]

hijjt:

eido, I have many hostnames too

[03:25:16]

kormoc:

I would recommend going with a real distro

[03:25:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, eido: now select the channel 3 from the chanel table?

[03:25:17]

eido:

hijjt: *nod*

[03:25:30]

eido:

J-e-f-f-A: hm?

[03:25:32]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, good point

[03:25:35]

hijjt:

eido, I have 5 frontends....

[03:25:41]

eido:

hijjt: heh. *nod* :)

[03:25:51]

kormoc:

eido, there's a channels table, select channel 3 and make sure the data is right

[03:25:52]

eido:

only one frontend here. so far. *cackles*

[03:25:55]

eido:

okay

[03:26:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: I have 2 in 'production' and 3 in 'development' — does that count to equal your 5? ;-)

[03:26:18]

eido:

table is 'channel' not 'channels'. :)

[03:26:19]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, probably

[03:26:40]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I only have one tuner too, and you got me beat there

[03:26:40]

kormoc:

eido, I'm going off of memory, my mythbox is dead right now :P

[03:26:45]

eido:

hmm. select * from channel where channum=3 shows... Comcast/Manchester... which seems about right.

[03:26:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: just getting a working HDTV playing frontend put together now to actually be able to playback my HD3000 recordings!

[03:26:59]

eido:

kormoc: no worries :)

[03:27:11]

eido:

oof, hdtv is a dream for me still. :)

[03:27:15]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I am waiting for a hd3000 to come down a bit more in price

[03:27:34]

kormoc:

eido, you could up the debug level of the frontend and do the querys it shows and see if they appear wrong

[03:27:37]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I might buy a pvr 500 to compliment my 350

[03:27:45]

kormoc:

eido, mythfrontend --debug all I think

[03:27:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: I bought it on a whim at the tail of the 'broadcast flag' scare — when my tax return came in...

[03:27:50]

eido:

kormoc: could... that would be a good approach. hang on.

[03:28:11]

kormoc:

eido, it's a lot of data, might want to redirect to a file

[03:28:14]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, nice

[03:28:51]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I would rather go usb 2.0 for a digital tuner

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J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: I think I paid $250 for it... [yeah, there weren't any usb 2.0 HDTV receivers when I got it! ;-) ]

[03:29:58]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, I might eventually build a backend only machine which would get rid of a need for the few extra pci cards

[03:30:00]

kormoc:

hijjt, well, I donno why your table is gone, but anyone who can run a SHOW CREATE TABLE programgeneres; for you, you can just create the table and go from there

[03:30:13]

eido:

mythfrontend -v all | tee /tmp/out.txt :)

[03:30:19]

kormoc:

:)

[03:30:30]

eido:

okay, hostname being used is 'mythtv'

[03:30:40]

eido:

seeing stuff like: 2006-04–05 23:30:04.392 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'MonitorDrives' AND hostname = 'mythtv' ;

[03:30:42]

eido:

which is right

[03:30:49]

kormoc:

eido, tho, you can just > /tmp/out.txt as well :)

[03:30:52]

** eido hits 'watch ltv' **

[03:31:04]

kormoc:

ooh! nifty!

[03:31:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: It actually sat in the box until about 3 months ago because when I initially bought it I was new to linux and running FC2, and it didn't have native support for the HD3000... But when I built my current backend on FC4, it worked with just a few setup hiccups initially...

[03:31:51]

hijjt:

kormoc, the weird part is that it shows generes anyway

[03:32:07]

hijjt:

kormoc, are they things like sports non-event

[03:32:08]

kormoc:

odd

[03:32:09]

eido:

hmmm

[03:32:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: what are you seeing?!?

[03:32:40]

eido:

i see...

[03:32:43]

eido:

**E)@V@)E

[03:32:45]

eido:

NO CARRIER

[03:32:48]

eido:

hah. just kididng.

[03:32:49]

eido:

sec :)

[03:32:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: hehe — that was good! ;-)

[03:33:12]

eido:

http://pastebin.com/643462

[03:33:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Reminds me of "the good old days" of 1200 baud modems and BBS's...

[03:33:38]

eido:

bah. yungun. i ran a 300 baud bbs.

[03:33:51]

eido:

ANYWYA.

[03:34:13]

eido:

this is not something in the front end i think

[03:34:16]

eido:

this is osmething in the back end.

[03:34:22]

eido:

cuz the frontend just reads the ring buffer, doesn't it?

[03:34:42]

kormoc:

sorta

[03:34:47]

kormoc:

there is no ringbuffer anymore

[03:34:54]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, the HD3000 came with linux drivers didn't it?

[03:34:56]

eido:

"there is no spoon"

[03:34:59]

kormoc:

livetv is just recorded as a normal show and played normally

[03:35:07]

eido:

ok

[03:35:11]

kormoc:

and the frontend's data is streamed from the backend

[03:35:12]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A, it was totally designed for linux

[03:35:25]

kormoc:

eido, have you tried just playing /dev/video0 in mplayer or xine?

[03:35:35]

eido:

kormoc: yup, did that before . works fine

[03:35:40]

hijjt:

kormoc, the newer ringbuffer is jacked up

[03:35:57]

kormoc:

hijjt, hrm?

[03:35:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido, hijjt: Um... does this look right? WHERE chainid = 'live-mythtv-2006-04–05T23:31:04' <-- that doesn't look like a channelID to me.. aren't they normally a 5 or 6 digit number?

[03:36:12]

** eido hand-waves. **

[03:36:16]

hijjt:

kormoc, the way it is not channel sensitive

[03:36:16]

eido:

this is all new to me. :)

[03:36:37]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's part of the tvchain table, where it is iirc

[03:36:42]

eido:

okay, i'm gonna crank up the debugging in the mythtv0-backend

[03:36:55]

hijjt:

they are numbers like 1001

[03:36:57]

hijjt:

1002

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kormoc:

hijjt, in the channels table, yes

[03:37:26]

kormoc:

in this case, it's a different table, different rules

[03:37:36]

eido:

okay, debugging cranked up.

[03:37:40]

eido:

hitting livetv.

[03:37:49]

hijjt:

kormoc, oh I missed that table

[03:37:54]

** eido is bowled over with output. **

[03:37:59]

kormoc:

heh

[03:38:37]

hijjt:

eido, did you just pee your pants?

[03:38:41]

eido:

nah

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eido:

http://pastebin.com/643467

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eido:

2006-04–05 23:37:46.054 TVRec(1) Error: CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed

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eido:

(whoah)

[03:39:07]

eido:

netsplit!

[03:39:15]

eido:

oh

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kormoc:

ooh, do you have write permission on the data directory for the mythtv user?

[03:39:31]

eido:

no, i suspect it might be someting stupider.

[03:39:35]

hijjt:

eido, hahahaah nice

[03:39:44]

eido:

/dev/hda1 2635756 2497756 4492 100% /

[03:39:50]

** kormoc laughs **

[03:39:52]

kormoc:

that could do it!

[03:39:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: HA!

[03:40:07]

eido:

though, ringbuffer should be on /myth, shouldn't it?

[03:40:12]

eido:

/dev/hdb1 238592 205485 33107 87% /myth

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kormoc:

it would be put in the record to directory

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hijjt:

eido, mine is actually in /mnt/store

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kormoc:

I hope that's megs

[03:40:43]

eido:

hmmmm.

[03:40:47]

eido:

(yes, that's df -k .)

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hijjt:

eido, but it can be anywhere it is set to in the setup

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kormoc:

eido, well, given the usual recording is about 2 gigs a hour or so

[03:41:15]

** eido nods **

[03:41:16]

kormoc:

that's not a lot of space for tv :P

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eido:

well, the /myth volume is larger.

[03:41:36]

eido:

250gig

[03:41:45]

kormoc:

ahh, kk

[03:41:45]

eido:

root@mythtv:/var/log# df -k

[03:41:45]

eido:

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on

[03:41:45]

eido:

/dev/hda1 2635756 2494216 8032 100% /

[03:41:45]

eido:

/dev/hdb1 244150304 141810320 90130184 62% /myth

[03:41:49]

hijjt:

/dev/hdc1 112G 86G 27G 77% /mnt/store

[03:42:05]

eido:

where is the setting for where the ringbuffer is stored? that's not in the mythtv-setup

[03:42:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: make sure you set the livetv ringbuffer size appropriately... And that ringbuffer is per-live-tv sessions, so if you've got 10GB of space for ringbuffers, and are running two livetv sessions (assumes 2 frontends & 2 tuners), then set it to 5GB...

[03:42:10]

kormoc:

eido, yeah, myth's default is /mnt/store unless you changed it via mythtv-setup

[03:42:11]

eido:

is it in the db?

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eido:

well -shit-

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kormoc:

eido, it's in the db and in mythtv-setup

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eido:

actually, this is a knoppmyth setup, so 'who knows'

[03:42:30]

** eido mysqls **

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kormoc:

eido, it's the place recordings are stored.

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eido:

know the name of hte setting?

[03:42:52]

kormoc:

eido, you see, the ringbuffer for livetv was removed as of 0.19, but there's still references.

[03:43:04]

hijjt:

eido, it is still trying to set channel 1

[03:43:12]

media_:

anything special need to be done usually besides enabling the "launch correct plugin for the media type inserted" or such option in the setup? I'm trying to get it to autoplay a cd or dvd on insert, but evne though that option is enabled, it doesn't seem to work

[03:43:15]

kormoc:

eido, try SELECT * FROM Settings WHERE value LIKE '%store%';

[03:43:16]

kormoc:

?

[03:43:35]

eido:

nope. 'path' only has mythfilldatabase and burnscriptpath

[03:43:37]

** eido digs around **

[03:43:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: I'm looking too...

[03:43:57]

eido:

there's hdringbuffersize

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kormoc:

that's for the HDTV ring buffer, that's still around

[03:44:25]

eido:

| HDRingbufferSize | 9400 | mythtv |

[03:44:27]

eido:

yeah, HD

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** eido is learning a lot about myth internals :) **

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kormoc:

:)

[03:45:06]

eido:

| LiveBufferDir | /cache/cache | mythtv |

[03:45:16]

** kormoc laughs **

[03:45:18]

kormoc:

that's not right

[03:45:24]

eido:

that it?

[03:45:28]

EruditeHermit:

hey, I have lirc_dev and lirc_i2c loaded, but when I start the lircd I get lircdDriver `default' not supported lircmd 0.7.2: Connection refused

[03:45:29]

kormoc:

perhaps

[03:45:32]

eido:

heh

[03:45:32]

EruditeHermit:

can anyone help?

[03:45:40]

kormoc:

I thought it was the same as the recorded tv, but might as well try changing it

[03:45:48]

eido:

*snrk*

[03:46:10]

hijjt:

eido, while you are pastebinning stuff maybe you could do me a favor and paste a sql to create a programgeneres table like the one you have

[03:46:24]

eido:

uhh.

[03:46:28]

eido:

sure, hang on a few, k?

[03:46:41]

eido:

| LiveBufferDir | /var/cache/mythtv/ | fourier |

[03:46:41]

eido:

| LiveBufferDir | /cache/cache | mythtv |

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hijjt:

eido, I have all the time in the world

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** eido shakes head. **

[03:47:02]

hijjt:

eido, you dont have enough space there...

[03:47:03]

kormoc:

eido, hrm?

[03:47:22]

eido:

hijjt: yup, i know, i'm moving it

[03:47:59]

eido:

mysql> update settings set data='/myth/cache' where value='LiveBufferDir' and hostname='mythtv' ;

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eruditel-lermit — Sorry, not enough experience w/me... perhaps sombody else can help you...

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kormoc:

eido, you could just DELETE FROM settings WHERE hostname != 'mythtv'; to clear out those unneeded settings

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, ok so what is the remote you have?

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eido:

kormoc: eh. i think i saw there might be some 'global' mythfrontend entries... it's okay if they're not getting in the way.

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AngryElf:

is there a program that will display mythconverg in a gui?

[03:50:24]

eido:

AngryElf: like, the database tables?

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kormoc:

AngryElf, sure, there's mysqlcc and phpmyadmin to name two

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eido:

or the channel listing?

[03:50:39]

eido:

if you want a db gui, there's tons.

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: yes — what kormoc said... I use mysqladmin

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hijjt:

AngryElf, I am a big fan of phpMyAdmin

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eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.915 TVRec(1) Error: CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed

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** eido sighs **

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AngryElf:

sweet, i'll check it out

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eido:

i'm still getitng this:

[03:51:28]

eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.909 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.

[03:51:28]

eido:

Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.

[03:51:29]

hijjt:

eido, do you have write permission to the place you changed it to?

[03:51:34]

eido:

yep

[03:51:37]

eido:

mythtv does.

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kormoc:

eido, that's screwy...

[03:51:46]

eido:

and mythfrontend and back end are both running as mythtv.

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hijjt:

eido, totally screwy

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kormoc:

eido, you could switch to say, fedora fast

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eido:

i really don't want to burn to bedrock and restart :(

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eido:

huh, look at that.

[03:52:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: hehe! That's what I'm running...

[03:52:23]

eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.896 TVRec(1): Using profile 'Live TV' to record

[03:52:23]

eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.898 TVRec(1): CreateLiveTVRingBuffer()

[03:52:23]

eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.901 TVRec(1): GetProgramRingBufferForLiveTV()

[03:52:23]

eido:

2006-04–05 23:50:52.905 MSqlQuery: SELECT channel.chanid FROM channel, capturecard, cardinput WHERE channel.channum = ''

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eido:

why is that last one just '' ?

[03:52:39]

eido:

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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hijjt:

eido that is weird, the setup program should be setting that

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kormoc:

eido, donno... SELECT * FROM Settings WHERE (value = '' OR value IS NULL) AND hostname='mythtv'; ?

[03:53:12]

eido:

yeah... i'm... seeing...

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** eido sees dead queries. **

[03:53:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

cmd

[03:53:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

oops...wrong kbd...

[03:53:50]

eido:

SELECT startchan FROM capturecard, cardinput WHERE capturecard.cardid = cardinput.cardid AND capturecard.cardid = 1 AND inputname = 'Tuner 0'

[03:53:52]

eido:

hmmm.

[03:53:57]

eido:

that... i think is not returning a value.

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eido:

"one moment!"

[03:54:06]

** eido is hot on the trail **

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kormoc:

:)

[03:54:16]

eido:

HAH

[03:54:18]

eido:

empty set

[03:55:03]

eido:

HAHAHAH

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eido:

okay okay okay. mysql> select startchan,inputname from capturecard,cardinput where capturecard.cardid = cardinput.cardid ;

[03:55:16]

eido:

+-----------+-----------+

[03:55:16]

eido:

| startchan | inputname |

[03:55:16]

eido:

+-----------+-----------+

[03:55:16]

eido:

| 30 | Tuner |

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eido:

+-----------+-----------+

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eido:

wrong inputname on that query!

[03:55:32]

AngryElf:

J-e-f-f-A, how do you actually view the table content in mysql-admin? I can see all the options for the diff tables but nothing that's in them

[03:55:41]

eido:

i... may e able to fix this.

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kormoc:

eido, odd!

[03:56:02]

eido:

but maybe fixable

[03:56:03]

** eido tinkers. **

[03:56:13]

hijjt:

eido, that tuner entry is killing you

[03:56:23]

eido:

is indeed.

[03:56:27]

eido:

gonna try renaming it

[03:56:38]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: hauppage remote

[03:56:53]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, and you are trying to use it as a mouse too?

[03:56:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: it's a little clugey (sp?). From memory (I don't have it up now), you have to select the table, and then there's an option somewhere to edit the table data (I think it's a right-click)

[03:57:08]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: I don't need it to be a mouse

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: (that is a selection from a right-click popup menu...)

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AngryElf:

J-e-f-f-A, got it :)

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: I just want it to change channels in myth

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, does irw give you any output?

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, is lircd started

[03:58:15]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: it says Connection refused

[03:58:27]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: what I gave above was the error when starting lircd

[03:58:29]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, you don't need lircmd, only lircd

[03:58:42]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, what distro?

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eido:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! I HAVE A TUNER!

[03:58:52]

eido:

LET THE PIGEONS LOOSE!

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hijjt:

eido, freaking sweet

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J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: I had to use it recently to clean up my DB from an accidental "rm -f *.mpg" in my recordings directory... (OOPS! I was supposed to be in the directory for my mediaplayer's symbolic links!)

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: debian

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kormoc:

eido, yay :)

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eido:

it's all staticy though

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations...

[03:59:08]

eido:

as in, not tuning correctly.

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The_Ball:

does anybody know of a dual dvb receiver that delivers mpeg2 or better that will work with mythtv?

[03:59:14]

eido:

but it's a HELLUVA lot closer :)

[03:59:22]

eido:

i think i need to fiddle the frequency table.

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hijjt:

eido, yep freq table

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: OH, i just typed lircd and it started up fine

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eido:

jeeezus that wa spainful

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: /etc/init.d/lirc restart howver doesn't work

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** eido turns off all the debugging crap **

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, permissions?

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, are you root?

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** eido . o O ( got root? ) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

or beer?

[04:00:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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** eido is somewhat giddy from progress, sorry. **

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: yep

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** eido re-mythfilldatabases **

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, does irw work now that lircd is started?

[04:02:06]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: yep

[04:02:12]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: the remote even works in mythtv

[04:02:15]

hijjt:

that is strange?

[04:02:19]

EruditeHermit:

yes

[04:02:35]

EruditeHermit:

when I start /etc/init.d/lirc starrt

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EruditeHermit:

start*

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EruditeHermit:

I get

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, did you just install it or is it an old install?

[04:02:58]

eido:

i still don't get the 'use IR remote with myth' thing. i have a wireless keyboard. :)

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EruditeHermit:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/WIcBb832.html

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: its an old install

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monkeyBox:

With current ivtv drivers, is it necessary to set the tuner type when loading the tuner module? (ie, modprobe tuner type=2)?

[04:03:48]

hijjt:

eido, as do I but I bought a remote because it is so much easier

[04:03:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: Yeah, but it's nice to be able to hit the 'pause' button on a backlit remote control instead of having to locate the 'p' key in the dark...

[04:04:14]

eido:

yeah, but i find myself going "dammit, i need to do task $x, wheres that kb?"

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eido:

i guess mainly that's cuz i use my myth box as a gaming platform as well *la la* :)

[04:04:37]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, that is trying to load lircmd which is the mouse daemon

[04:05:04]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: but it is also trying and failing to load lircd

[04:05:31]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, there is probably a config file you have to change

[04:06:05]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, it looks like you need to change default to something else

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J-e-f-f-A:

EruditelHermit – Do you perhaps have two different copies of lircd on your machine?

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EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't think so

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hijjt:

eido, what games do you play in linux?

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eido:

root@mythtv:/myth/games# du -ks *

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eido:

171980 nes

[04:07:37]

eido:

8 pc

[04:07:37]

eido:

250328 snes

[04:07:37]

eido:

25659352 xmame

[04:07:39]

** eido la la las. **

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hijjt:

eido, sweet

[04:07:51]

** eido has been at it a while :) **

[04:08:08]

eido:

my son is working his way through all the snes games. :) watching him play mario world just brings a tear to my heart.

[04:08:10]

hijjt:

eido, neogeo on the mame?

[04:08:22]

eido:

i have some neogeo stuff. i'm not a big fan of it.

[04:08:24]

hijjt:

eido, I use advance mame

[04:08:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

EruditelHermit – The reason I ask is that the error you posted seems to suggest it only has a 'null' driver, yet when you start it manually it seems to have the proper driver.

[04:08:40]

monkeyBox:

Help! I've just installed mythtv, and when I change channels it shows the channel number and channel info changing, but the tuner stays on the same channel. What's going on here?

[04:08:51]

eido:

my myth box put in an appearance at a gaming convention wher ei had a comic artist paint it. hang on a sec.

[04:08:54]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, your tuner isn't working right

[04:09:08]

kormoc:

eido, million man lan?

[04:09:10]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: which config file would that be?

[04:09:19]

eido:

nah, Ubercon (new jersey)

[04:09:27]

eido:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/98578595/

[04:09:28]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, something lirc ish in /etc

[04:09:30]

kormoc:

Ahh, I went there one year, was fun

[04:09:45]

eido:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/9858 . . . photostream/ <-- that's the actual artwork

[04:09:45]

kormoc:

Million man lan was much better :)

[04:09:48]

eido:

kormoc: then we've met :)

[04:09:52]

kormoc:

ooh?

[04:09:53]

eido:

i've run registration for every ubercon :)

[04:10:01]

monkeyBox:

kormoc, you don't say...

[04:10:01]

kormoc:

Ahh, cool :)

[04:10:04]

eido:

:)

[04:10:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: You probably have the 'preset chanel' set to something other than blank. That's only used when you're using an external tuner.

[04:10:20]

hijjt:

eido, that is sweet

[04:10:28]

eido:

yah, i like it :)

[04:10:40]

kormoc:

eido, Yeah, we made a day trip over there from Lancaster, PA

[04:10:45]

eido:

cool

[04:11:05]

hijjt:

eido, ooohhh a thinkpad

[04:11:09]

eido:

heh

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monkeyBox:

J-e-f-f-A, my problem is that it's not changing channels at all..

[04:11:13]

** eido is typing on said thinkpad :) **

[04:11:18]

monkeyBox:

Even when I use ivtv-tune

[04:11:25]

eido:

and wiating until the mythfilldatabase finishes.

[04:11:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

eido: sweet! And I've got almost the exact same case!

[04:11:50]

hijjt:

eido, reminds me of the days of compiling gentoo 1.4 on my ibm thinkpad 600e

[04:11:53]

eido:

it's pretty generic :)

[04:12:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: Oh... You probably have to set the tuner type. It would seem that it's not getting detected properly.

[04:12:56]

kormoc:

eido, I'm amused by your cat

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: sans art-work of course... ;-)

[04:13:12]

eido:

kormoc: that's my roomates cat (the one on the laptop? :)

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eido:

odd. mytfilldatabase seems to have wedged.

[04:13:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: what tuner card are you using?

[04:13:25]

** eido makes a face. **

[04:13:29]

kormoc:

(yeah, laptop kitty)

[04:13:31]

Klatuu:

hrmm

[04:13:36]

EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A: you might be on to something

[04:13:36]

EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A: when I type lircd, it looks in /etc/lircd.conf

[04:13:36]

EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A: when the init script starts lirc it looks in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[04:13:43]

Klatuu:

can a parental level be changed in the list view?

[04:14:00]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, remove the /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[04:14:11]

hijjt:

EruditeHermit, and link the other one there

[04:14:12]

monkeyBox:

J-e-f-f-A, PVR250

[04:14:28]

eido:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planet-geek/73389915/ <-- that's me, btw. kormoc, if you'll be at another ubercon, look for the tall geek. won't have my guitar at the con though :0

[04:14:33]

eido:

<-- old fart.

[04:14:47]

hijjt:

monkeyBox , ok can you mplayer /dev/video0

[04:14:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: ok, I've got exactly the same... Let me take a look at my config to see if I had to jump through any hoops...

[04:15:04]

kormoc:

eido, I likely won't be at another one for a long time, I moved to Seattle last year

[04:15:12]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, and use ivtv-tune -c to change the channels?

[04:15:14]

eido:

yah, that'll be a bit of a commute

[04:15:20]

eido:

oh BITE ME

[04:15:24]

eido:

isee why myth weged.

[04:15:31]

eido:

root@mythtv:/myth/games# df -k

[04:15:31]

eido:

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on

[04:15:31]

eido:

/dev/hda1 2635756 2502244 4 100% /

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monkeyBox:

hijjt, unfortunately it's on a headless server, so I can't watch /dev/video

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido: ROTFL! Dude – you need a bigger disk!!!!

[04:15:55]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, use -vo aa in the console

[04:16:10]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, you can play aa video over ssh ....

[04:16:42]

hijjt:

eido, yeah buddy that 4k is one block

[04:16:51]

eido:

yup yup

[04:16:53]

eido:

housecleaning :)

[04:16:55]

monkeyBox:

hmm. I don't even have mplayer on my server.

[04:17:38]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, bummer

[04:17:59]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, did you make sure you set the tuner to mpeg encoder x50 in the setup?

[04:18:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox : So this was working and just stopped, or did you upgrade or something?

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monkeyBox:

J-e-f-f-A, I upgraded my kernel, and then I upgraded the ivtv driver

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hijjt:

monkeyBox, you have to delete the video sources and capture cards and redo them when you upgrade ivtv usually

[04:19:16]

monkeyBox:

ok.

[04:19:44]

monkeyBox:

Hmm.. I did a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and I can play that on my desktop box.

[04:19:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

hijjt: thanks – I was scratching my head on what to do next... ;-)

[04:20:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: Yeah, but recording from the card isn't your issue, it's changing channels, right?

[04:20:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeyBox: perhaps you could start the recording, try to change the channels, then stop the recording and play that back to see if it worked?

[04:20:51]

EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A: you got it right

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monkeyBox:

channel changing doesn't work :-( I tried using ivtv-tune --channel=25 and it won't tune.

[04:21:04]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: I figured it out

[04:21:19]

EruditeHermit:

hijjt: there are 2 lircd installed

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EruditeHermit:

hijjt: the init script uses the old version

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J-e-f-f-A:

EruditelHermit: Awesome. I'm glad I could help.

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit , now you can start it at boot

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EruditeHermit:

yeah

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EruditeHermit:

thanks

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit , nice

[04:22:00]

EruditeHermit:

J-e-f-f-A, hijjt I appreciate the help

[04:22:02]

EruditeHermit:

=)

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hijjt:

EruditeHermit, no problem

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eido:

i.

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eido:

have clear.

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eido:

video

[04:23:06]

eido:

tuning and everything.

[04:23:11]

** eido does a small happydance. **

[04:23:12]

hijjt:

eido, what did you change?

[04:23:13]

kormoc:

yay!

[04:23:29]

eido:

frequency table from 'us-cable' back to 'default's

[04:23:42]

eido:

since i had told zap2it that i had cable-ready

[04:23:51]

hijjt:

eido, sweet

[04:23:57]

eido:

although. od.d i have a blue bar on the left side of y image.

[04:24:02]

eido:

that's probably an XF86config issue

[04:24:07]

eido:

small one. about 1/2"

[04:24:14]

kormoc:

what's the video card?

[04:24:18]

eido:

MX400

[04:24:37]

kormoc:

what driver?

[04:24:46]

eido:

er, sec.

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eido:

Driver "nvidia"

[04:25:23]

kormoc:

heh

[04:25:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

EruditelHermit: No problemo... ;-)

[04:25:35]

kormoc:

modinfo nvidia will show the driver version

[04:25:36]

eido:

hm. image is a little staticy. i think my booster in the basement is turned off.

[04:26:06]

eido:

kormoc: big output from that... what are you looking for?

[04:26:25]

kormoc:

the version of the module

[04:26:44]

kormoc:

oh blast, it's not in there anymore

[04:26:48]

eido:

holy CRAP the channel-changing mode is faster.

[04:27:05]

kormoc:

dmesg | grep -i nvidia will show it

[04:27:11]

eido:

(last time i had any video working was with 0.18.mumble)

[04:27:19]

eido:

NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0–7174 Tue Mar 22 06:44:39 PST 2005

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kormoc:

kk, that's the right driver for that card

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monkeyBox:

So what does that mean when I can't even change channels using ivtv-tune??

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J-e-f-f-A:

eido, kormoc, hijjt — Goodnight all... ttyl!

[04:27:40]

hijjt:

J-e-f-f-A , night

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, have you tried powering down the box for a little

[04:27:44]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, night!

[04:27:56]

monkeyBox:

kormoc, what would that do?

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eido:

night J-e-f-f-A thanks for all your help!

[04:28:08]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, reset the card

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, some people have found that it does help at times

[04:28:17]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, reset the ivtv driver?

[04:28:35]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, ivtv can be a pain at times

[04:29:03]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, and it is picky about kernel drivers for v4l

[04:30:51]

monkeyBox:

how do I "reset the card"?

[04:31:00]

kormoc:

power down the box for a little

[04:31:06]

kormoc:

most sure way

[04:31:16]

monkeyBox:

ok... I'm willing to try anything at this point :-(

[04:31:18]

monkeyBox:

bbl

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hijjt:

monkeyBox, you can unload all the ivtv drivers and try to reload them

[04:31:59]

monkeyBox:

already tried that.. w

[04:32:00]

hijjt:

monkeyBox, I always end up causing a kernel panic because I play rough with forced module unloading...

[04:32:14]

** monkeyBox is about to reboot **

[04:32:32]

monkeyBox:

err.. shutdown...

[04:32:43]

hijjt:

uptime

[04:32:43]

hijjt:

00:32:09 up 136 days, 5:41, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.01

[04:33:08]

hijjt:

I don't like rebooting either...

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eido:

hm, xris, you around?

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kormoc:

eido, he's afk right now

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eido:

ok. hit a bug in mythweb.

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

what is it?

[04:48:22]

eido:

Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/weather/handler.php, line 210:

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eido:

Invalid argument supplied for foreach()

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** kormoc laughs **

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** eido raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

that's a common 'error'. you can ignore it

[04:48:53]

eido:

um. okay :)

[04:49:06]

kormoc:

basically, it's a nonarray, so it's throwing the error when it trys to walk though it

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eido:

i was going to work on mythweb once we bumped to 0.19...

[04:49:24]

kormoc:

yeah?

[04:49:31]

kormoc:

What part?

[04:49:38]

eido:

just tinkering with it now to see what the current state is. how much mythweb stuff has been done beyond 0.19 release?

[04:49:52]

eido:

initially i was going ot rewrite chunks of the music stuff.

[04:49:53]

kormoc:

Well, xris changed around how the modules were layed out a bit

[04:49:58]

eido:

right

[04:50:02]

kormoc:

and I finished the stats module

[04:50:20]

kormoc:

and he pulled in my updated ajax lib I beleive as well

[04:50:21]

eido:

cool.

[04:50:51]

eido:

*nod* you guys may be beyond my m/d php skillz. :) i haven't done any ajax stuff.

[04:51:02]

kormoc:

the ajax lib is super simple :)

[04:51:06]

eido:

heh.

[04:51:21]

kormoc:

var data = submit_url(url); is the simple way to do it

[04:51:30]

kormoc:

in javascript

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eido:

mostly i wanted to be able to control the music queues from mythweb.

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kormoc:

of course, that's sync, to do async is slightly harder, but still dirt simple

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** kormoc nods **

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** eido sighs a little. **

[04:53:47]

eido:

one of the things i really want in mythtv is to be able to control the box remotely... i know there's the new socket interface... i was hoping mythweb could do it :(

[04:53:52]

eido:

sorry, i'm whining.

[04:54:09]

kormoc:

there's a module to do that I beleive

[04:54:13]

eido:

yeah?

[04:54:16]

kormoc:

it was posted on the mailing list

[04:54:21]

kormoc:

still a bit rough last I knew

[04:54:30]

eido:

yah, that was a while ago, was'nt it?

[04:54:35]

kormoc:

yeah

[04:55:00]

kormoc:

Next up on my mythweb plate is a db health module, but there's some things I need to figure out how to do

[04:55:41]

AngryElf:

if i change the name field in mythweb->channel settings going to make anything blow up?

[04:55:47]

kormoc:

then after that I was gonna ajax up the listing's page mouse overs, and then add paging the recording page, and then if there wasn't a socket interface, I was going to work on one of them.

[04:55:48]

** eido nods. **

[04:56:33]

eido:

the listing page is -painfully- large and slow :(

[04:56:42]

eido:

load time on my machine is 50+ seconds

[04:56:57]

kormoc:

Yeah, I had it working a little bit before my mythbox's power supply died

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hijjt:

eido, have you tried any php caching on the server?

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eido:

hijjt: nope

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eido:

i think the page / table layout is too heavy – it's a huge page... and large tables render -very- slowly.

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hijjt:

eido , php caching should really help that out then

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kormoc:

eido, I think it's more the hundreds of hidden divs

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eido:

58:17 start... 58:45 finish.

[04:59:02]

kormoc:

hijjt, it's more rendering in the browser that's slow

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eido:

so... 30 seconds from the time i lcicked 'mythtv listings' to the time the page rendered.

[04:59:23]

eido:

this is totally page rendeirng. (the firefox 'spinny' thing stopped dead, which means the browser is busy doing layout)

[04:59:29]

hijjt:

kormoc, hmmm

[04:59:57]

hijjt:

eido, try messing with the firefox settings in about.config

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eido:

hijjt: really, this is just Bad HTML (not being harsh, just is true). the table is -enormous-. tha'ts one big table without hard sizing in it...

[05:01:00]

hijjt:

eido, mine only takes 6.594 seconds to load

[05:01:14]

eido:

what sort of machine?

[05:01:22]

eido:

(not the myth box, wherever your browser is running)

[05:01:39]

eido:

the tvlisting page: -rw-r--r-- 1 dbs dbs 1044273 2006-04–06 01:01 out.html

[05:01:48]

eido:

that's -waaaay- too large.

[05:01:53]

kormoc:

that is

[05:01:56]

hijjt:

eido, I am on the mythbox, so it is hard to tell

[05:01:58]

kormoc:

mine tends to be aroudn 300k or so

[05:02:14]

hijjt:

eido, I use fasterfox,

[05:02:33]

hijjt:

eido, I will give it a load on the machine next to me

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eido:

(my laptop is a 1.4gig linux box)

[05:02:55]

eido:

tha'ts where the firefox is running.

[05:03:22]

hijjt:

eido, my mythbox is 2.2 G athlon

[05:03:28]

eido:

hah

[05:03:31]

eido:

a little faster :)

[05:03:56]

hijjt:

and the one next to me is a 700 duron @ 900 and 1.5 GB of ram

[05:04:07]

hijjt:

eido, spare parts machine

[05:04:09]

eido:

heh

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kormoc:

Sadly, I realized the other day, all my machines are 2.13ghz or faster

[05:04:48]

eido:

'sadly'

[05:04:51]

hijjt:

hahah

[05:05:01]

hijjt:

yeah I only have 2 over that fast

[05:05:15]

kormoc:

yeah, given a year ago, I was the proud owner of a dual pentium pro 200 box (over clocked form 133 mhz!)

[05:05:18]

hijjt:

but all are athlons

[05:05:19]

eido:

kormoc: so can i ge tyou to join my BOINC team? :)

[05:05:25]

kormoc:

hehe

[05:05:31]

kormoc:

my boxes are already folding :)

[05:05:44]

eido:

are they part of a team? :)

[05:05:48]

eido:

you can keep folding, just join my team :)

[05:05:54]

kormoc:

Yeah, the overclockers.com team

[05:05:57]

kormoc:

for my brother

[05:05:58]

eido:

bastage.

[05:06:12]

hijjt:

eido, are you talking about loading the listings page on mythweb?

[05:06:17]

eido:

hijjt: yep

[05:06:47]

kormoc:

Does anyone know where to get a miniatx power supply?

[05:06:50]

eido:

http://192.168.2.102/mythweb/tv/list

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imperfect-:

Hello

[05:06:55]

imperfect-:

Anyone around?

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kormoc:

imperfect-, no

[05:07:02]

eido:

imperfect-: baaahh.

[05:07:05]

imperfect-:

hehe

[05:07:05]

imperfect-:

;)

[05:07:09]

hijjt:

oh

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kormoc:

eido, hey! your url isn't working :P

[05:07:22]

** eido slaps kormoc **

[05:07:36]

hijjt:

ok on the 900 duron, 5.532s

[05:07:47]

hijjt:

even faster than the mythbox...

[05:08:13]

eido:

hijjt: how big is the file?

[05:08:34]

hijjt:

how am I to tell?

[05:08:44]

kormoc:

page properitys usually

[05:08:45]

eido:

file->save as

[05:08:50]

eido:

i just saved the file :)

[05:09:23]

eido:

huh, page info works too.

[05:09:26]

hijjt:

269K

[05:09:30]

eido:

mine says "Size: 101.84KB"

[05:09:46]

kormoc:

mine is ~300k iirc

[05:09:48]

eido:

okay, so why is it rendering so much slower here than on yours?

[05:09:53]

hijjt:

hmmm why is yours taking so long...

[05:10:13]

hijjt:

eido, get the fasterfox extension and put it on your firefox

[05:10:38]

eido:

so yo'ure running a speedup on the duron machine?

[05:10:52]

hijjt:

I am running fasterfox on both browsers

[05:10:57]

hijjt:

I like the timer feature

[05:11:08]

hijjt:

that was the first load of it on either machine tho

[05:11:11]

eido:

not a very fair comparison :)

[05:11:30]

eido:

though... it looks like only network speedups.

[05:11:52]

hijjt:

it is only firefox settings changes, and it has a cool little timer for page loads

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Cromz:

so.. like I added a 2nd pvr350 to my myth, now the serial port ir blaster stopped working. ugh. lirc channel no one there.. google no help :P

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eido:

what version of firefox?

[05:12:23]

imperfect-:

ls

[05:12:28]

eido:

ls: not found

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hijjt:

1.5

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eido:

*nod* huh, don't know what's up.

[05:13:07]

hijjt:

Gecko/20060227 Firefox/1.5.0.1

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eido:

it'a 1;15am. i'm -wiped-. i'll figure tihs out later :)

[05:13:17]

kormoc:

see ya!

[05:13:28]

eido:

night ya'll :)

[05:13:29]

hijjt:

later

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** eido & **

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imperfect-:

can I launch mythtv with a geometry setting?

[05:13:43]

imperfect-:

i.e. I want it to display fullscreen on TV-0 ?

[05:14:18]

hijjt:

imperfect-, you shouldn't need a geometry setting for fullscreen

[05:14:42]

imperfect-:

hijit: well i want it to take all the screen realestate on the TV

[05:14:47]

imperfect-:

hijit: but not full screen

[05:15:16]

imperfect-:

nevermind

[05:15:21]

imperfect-:

I know why it wasn't working

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hijjt:

imperfect- I see, mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 or whatever res your tv displays will do it

[05:16:14]

imperfect-:

well

[05:16:22]

imperfect-:

I need to give it +1600+0 as well

[05:16:25]

imperfect-:

cuz i'm doing twinview

[05:16:50]

AngryElf:

jeez, FOX airs 11am – 5pm Judge blah every day of the week, with the exception of 30 minutes of news at 12....pathetic

[05:17:00]

imperfect-:

I was just trying to run myhtv

[05:17:02]

imperfect-:

not mythtvfrontend

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hijjt:

imperfect-, I donno, I use my pvr 350 as a fb device

[05:17:58]

imperfect-:

ah

[05:18:02]

imperfect-:

I've only got a 150

[05:18:12]

imperfect-:

And it's working great now ;)

[05:18:13]

imperfect-:

;)

[05:18:19]

imperfect-:

w00t

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imperfect-:

;)

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hijjt:

imperfect- , if you use it on a tv you could get one of the 350, they are sweet for playback on a tv

[05:19:13]

hijjt:

imperfect- , then you would have another tuner too :)

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imperfect-:

well

[05:19:28]

imperfect-:

I'm doing HDTV out from my nvidia card

[05:19:50]

hijjt:

imperfect-, it is almost like cheating then...

[05:20:13]

imperfect-:

no

[05:20:15]

hijjt:

imperfect-, nice now all you need is a shiny new hd tuner

[05:20:15]

imperfect-:

it's a tv out interace

[05:20:23]

imperfect-:

I"m not using the DFP

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hijjt:

imperfect-, aww

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imperfect-:

Any idea how I can minimize prebuffering pauses?

[05:21:26]

hijjt:

donno, keeping the database optimized might help

[05:22:19]

hijjt:

imperfect-, it is just one of the things you gotta live with with non-live television

[05:22:21]

dasOp:

how will that help?

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imperfect-:

well

[05:22:50]

dasOp:

its not like the query is heavy compared to the data sent

[05:22:58]

imperfect-:

This happens while I'm wathcing live TV

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imperfect-:

and the sound clips every once in a while

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dasOp:

slow connection between frontend and backend?

[05:23:27]

imperfect-:

They're on the same box

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hijjt:

ick

[05:23:37]

imperfect-:

Although

[05:23:45]

imperfect-:

I am buffering over the network

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imperfect-:

100mbps

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imperfect-:

can I change where it deals with live-tv buffering to a local directory?

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dasOp:

wouldnt be sure about that

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dasOp:

oh.. your livetv buffers are on a network mount?

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imperfect-:

Yah

[05:24:38]

dasOp:

that's a homer

[05:24:38]

eido:

yow.

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hijjt:

it shouldn't be a problem, I buffer fine over a wireless...

[05:24:43]

** eido hasn't slept yet :) **

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dasOp:

'doh'

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hijjt:

eido, back for more already?

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imperfect-:

hrm

[05:25:09]

eido:

eh, watching mythbusters.

[05:25:12]

dasOp:

you wanted to minimize latency

[05:25:23]

dasOp:

well, a network mount sure as hell will introduce latency

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imperfect-:

i just want to lose the prebufferring issues

[05:25:48]

imperfect-:

unfortanately

[05:25:52]

imperfect-:

I decided to update my music lib

[05:25:58]

imperfect-:

and it's taking forever ;)

[05:26:31]

dasOp:

my backend is a slow amd850 and I'm running the frontend on a powerbook via wlan

[05:26:38]

dasOp:

and I have no prebuffering issues

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imperfect-:

2006-04–06 01:18:10.186 NVP: prebuffering pause

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hijjt:

imperfect-, how is your network performance

[05:30:59]

hijjt:

imperfect-, is there a lot of traffic on it?

[05:31:06]

imperfect-:

Nope

[05:31:11]

imperfect-:

hell

[05:31:17]

imperfect-:

I've got a cisco 2950T on the other end

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imperfect-:

13Gbps backplane

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imperfect-:

its a nice switch

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imperfect-:

this shouldnt be an issue

[05:32:28]

hijjt:

imperfect-, yeah that should not be an issue

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hijjt:

if I can play any program over my wireless with the slow connection speed that I have there with no problems you certainly shouldn't be having any

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hijjt:

Bit Rate:24 Mb/s

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hijjt:

and that is with a whole floor of electronic equipment in the way..

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

I dont ge tit

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imperfect-:

is there a universal binary frontend?

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imperfect-:

for intetl macs?

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hijjt:

intel mac's really shouldn't exist, it is an oxymoron

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hijjt:

but back to the network issues what are the ping times between the boxes?

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imperfect-:

0.[1–5] ms

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imperfect-:

39 packets transmitted, 39 received, 0% packet loss, time 37994ms

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imperfect-:

rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.116/0.255/0.550/0.148 ms

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hijjt:

imperfect- , that seems plenty fast

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imperfect-:

aye

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imperfect-:

I know

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hijjt:

can't really get much faster

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hijjt:

its about that time to get the much needed sleep

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hijjt:

night

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eido:

hey anyone know what the keys troke is on the 'rip/transcode' screen to.. ya know... start ripping? :)

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imperfect-:

Anyone using Myth on the MAC?

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imperfect-:

How do I setup the master backend server IP address?

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imperfect-:

it seems to default to localhsot

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mchou:

imperfect-: I dont use it on mac but there should be something called mythtv-setup

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mchou:

that sets up the backend ip addr

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mchou:

or you can hack the db manually

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dasOp:

imperfect: the frontend only needs to know the db settings, it'll pick up the backend from the db

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dasOp:

but if you didnt set up the backend properly, the default ip in the db will be localhost

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dasOp:

so run mythtv-setup from the backend and set the proper ip

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imperfect-:

ah

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imperfect-:

so the backend is telling it localhost

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imperfect-:

cuz the backend is setup to access it via localhost

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imperfect-:

got it

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imperfect-:

thanlks

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dasOp:

no, the db is

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dasOp:

but you told the db that the backend was on localhost the first time you ran mythtv-setup

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imperfect-:

yeah I know

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imperfect-:

I just changed it

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imperfect-:

I didn't realize the client would get that info straight from the db

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dasOp:

yeah, its not obvious at first

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imperfect-:

heh

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imperfect-:

this sucks

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dasOp:

I've messed alot with the db cause its messed alot with me

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imperfect-:

I'm running svn

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imperfect-:

and the client I have for my mac has a myth protocol mismatch

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dasOp:

options missing, hostname specific options etc

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imperfect-:

and since i didn't compile it ;)

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dasOp:

ugh

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

I've gotta pick my girlfriend up from the airport in a few hours

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imperfect-:

I better crash

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imperfect-:

thanks for all your help

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dasOp:

guess you better grab the svn build from thesniderpad.com

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dasOp:

have fun

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

that's PPC

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imperfect-:

not intel

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imperfect-:

i doubt i wanna run myth through rosetta

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imperfect-:

;)

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dasOp:

oh

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dasOp:

well you'll have to compile it yourself then

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imperfect-:

aye

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imperfect-:

dont have time to set up the environment to do so at the moment

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imperfect-:

;)

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dasOp:

of course you dont. you gotta go to sleep :P

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

later

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null:

Hello. How does commercial detection works in MythTV? Does this work for all channels?

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Chicago:

null: there are a few different methods... one basically detects blank frames and I'm not sure what the other methods do... In my experience, the commercial detection appears to work well on every channel.

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null:

Chicago: do the stations send blank frames before the commercials?

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Chicago:

null: I am not sure, use the source and check the comments...

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null:

ok

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null:

Is it possible to start recording a channel, let mythtv removing the commercials and watch it before the record has ended? For example the program starts at 8.00 and it goes until 9.15... 15 minutes are commercials, so I start watching at 8.15 and I have no commercials?

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stuarta:

you can start watching the recording at any time

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stuarta:

however myth doesn't 'remove' commercials, although it may flag them for you.

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stuarta:

then you can skip or jump past the ads

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null:

so i can jump over them?

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The_Ball:

null, it is possible but requires enough processing power to both record and scan for comercials, you have to enable the flaging of comercial during recording though

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thechris:

anyone else have any luck with that commercail skip thing

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thechris:

i tried it only once — it skipped half the show.

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null:

I plan to use a celeron-m with 1.6 ghz together with a pvr-500... this should suffice, right?

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The_Ball:

thechris, various success, some shows it works well other not so well

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The_Ball:

null, i would think so

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whyz:

hey.. what dvb-t card would you suggest ? it's a plus if it has a CA module. I've heard that there are cards that can "decrypt" encrypted channels in hardware (full feature cards?), while some do it in software.. what cards have that?

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stuarta:

thechris: depends where you are. In the uk it's hit n miss

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null:

The_Ball: ok..

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The_Ball:

i bet it would be possible to write a good comercial detection algorithm using sound analysis, if (sound is f*** anoying and loud) skip;

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null:

maybe a detection of the station logo could also help... don't know if this is possible

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null:

at least here in .ch they don't show their logo when playing commericals

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stuarta:

The_Ball: we eagerly await your patches....

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The_Ball:

stuarta, when i get pissed off enough with the ads and the current detection, maybe

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thechris:

null: i think that is how they do the commerical detection — black screen followed by frames without a corner logo

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stuarta:

I've a few schemes in mind, but it's on the bottom of my todo list

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null:

thechris: so why doesn't it work then?

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stuarta:

thechris: that is one current method.

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stuarta:

null: because not all broadcasters transmit things exactly the same

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null:

stuarta: well, let's hope it works for .ch =)

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null:

Does anybody know how much space a pure MythTV system (without recordings) will use? I plan to have it on a CF card for having it booting fastly

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The_Ball:

null, not sure, but a flash card won't make it boot faster than a hdd would boot, it will save you noise and heat

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null:

The_Ball: but the cf card has much lower latency...

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The_Ball:

how low?

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null:

I just heard that... but I think I'd need to make the CF readonly after booting which will causes a lot of problems...

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The_Ball:

yeah, you'll wear it out pretty fast if not

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null:

will a 5.4k rpm harddisk suffice or should i better use a 7.2k one?

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The_Ball:

are you building a front end with remote storage?

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null:

no

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null:

I'm building a standalone mythtv box (fronted and backend on the same machine)

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The_Ball:

but you will be using a seperate boot disk?

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The_Ball:

seperate from the storage disk(s) i mean

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null:

hmm i don't think so

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null:

should i?

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The_Ball:

no, just asking, i would use a 7k disk since it will hold the recordings

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null:

hmm

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null:

What about storing the recordings on NFS? Will 100mbit/s suffice?

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The_Ball:

yeah, that's fine

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null:

hmm, much cheaper and better method I think

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null:

I have about 400 gigs of storage exported via nfs...

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The_Ball:

you can boot via the network as well to get a hdd'less system

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null:

hmm right

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null:

Do you think I could manage having the box started up in 20 seconds when using initng?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I wouldn't be that comfortable having my database storage over nfs

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null:

ip_goat_rodeo: I have a mysqld running on my network so this should work, shouldn't it?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

if you've got the background in setting up diskless boxes – it takes some trial and error to do the first time or two

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null:

I already have diskless clients (for radio boxes)

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null:

but I don't have one with mythtv

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The_Ball:

using the mysql server you have on you network is fine, why don't you put your capture card in one of your other boxes and build a frontend?

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null:

because they only have 700 MHz of cpu...

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I would only go diskless if I was trying to make a dead-silent machine personally.

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null:

ip_goat_rodeo: i do..

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null:

ip_goat_rodeo: I don't think it will be working without one single fan... but it should be as silent as possible and as cheap as possible with as much features as possible =)

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I'm not that happy yet with noise level on the machine I put together for living room use.

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PaulWay:

Any Australians using the tvguide.org.au grabber here?

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PaulWay:

I'm getting the entire program guide one hour later than what it should be.

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PaulWay:

And the timezone seems to be set correctly on the machine – as in, it's reporting the correct time.

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null:

ip_goat_rodeo: the celeron-m should be very easy to cool (maybe passivly even)

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PaulWay:

ip_goat_rodeo: I'd bet one of those old Zalman 6-series coolers would do it.

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ip_goat_rodeo:

Its still got a variable-speed psu fan, 2 case fans and 3 local drives. I can probably remove the case fans without impacting cooling though, as the chipset and video board are fanless.

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PaulWay:

The ones that had a spray of copper fins all bolted together.

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Calroth:

I'm using immir's grabber

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Calroth:

haven't had any time zone troubles

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PaulWay:

Curse. Dinner's ready. BBS.

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I'm living with a cpu fan, and the psu fan is quiet. Case fans are worst offenders currently

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PaulWay:

Calroth: Living on the edge, eh?

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PaulWay:

:-)

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null:

ip_goat_rodeo: well, there aren't any other suggestions on using MythTV with NFS rootfs other than using mysql over it's own protocol?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

null: have enough memory that you never have to swap?

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null:

1 gig does suffice?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

should do if you don't use other applications that are memory hogs

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ip_goat_rodeo:

COUGHCOUGHmozillaCOUGHCOUGH

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null:

I'll only use MythTV on this box, nothing else

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ip_goat_rodeo:

having to swap over nfs would suck

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null:

I can imagine

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ip_goat_rodeo:

so avoiding that would be a Good Thing(tm)

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null:

Another question: I plan to get an Intel based board (i855GME chipset). Is this supported to produce 5.1 sound?

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whyz:

what would be the best dvb-t card for linux (and mythtv ofcourse) that has a CA module?

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PaulWay:

ca module?

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moemoe:

conditional-access, pay-tv/scrambled

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Juski:

whyz: probably not Twinhan

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Juski:

dvbshot.net sells DVB-T cards that have CI slots on them

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Juski:

dvbshop.net I mean

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Juski:

so 55 Euro for the CI, 86 Euro for the PCI card, then the CAM on top – can work out expensive – and all for what?

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Juski:

if you're wanting it for 'TopupTV' I honestly wouldn't bother

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Juski:

not that you can buy a SECA2 CAM easily anyway

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RaYmAn-Bx:

oh, come on! TopupTV and bidup rules! ;)

[11:41:34]

RaYmAn-Bx:

ok, so I'm not making any sense

[11:42:17]

Juski:

don't make me laugh. biduptv. ducking hell

[11:43:22]

RaYmAn-Bx:

My girlfriend would do anything if I could get QVC UK on our TV..unfortunately it's not shown here

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Juski:

jesus. You have my sympathy

[11:43:47]

RaYmAn-Bx:

lol

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RaYmAn-Bx:

thanks

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Juski:

if those channels weren't digital I'd bloody well jam them

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Juski:

anyway back to what I was saying – it'd be a lot of money to spend on a setup – and you'd have to pay subscription – you'd really have to work hard to justify that ;-)

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Juski:

hmm. The BBC are possibly planning to make a linux version of their Integrated Media Player. Once this is available (and if...) we'll of course need a plugin for mythtv ;-)

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PaulWay:

Is this a player for their own Open Source media format?

[12:05:46]

PaulWay:

I heard a while back that they were putting together a format based on wavelet compression.

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fozi:

dirac

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laga:

re

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PaulWay:

fozi: that's the one.

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Juski:

the BBC's iMP has nothing to do with Dirac

[12:35:25]

PaulWay:

There goes that hope.

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whyz:

Juski: i should probably find this info somewhere else, but by CI slot you mean a card slot, right? i thought the CAM had this.. so what exactly is the CAM?

[12:35:33]

Juski:

it's for downloading TV shows up to 7 days after they first air – currently on trial

[12:35:53]

Juski:

whyz: a CAM plugs into the CI slot. the viewing card plugs into the CAM

[12:36:16]

whyz:

hmm :)

[12:36:39]

Juski:

as for other decoding methods – don't bother even thinking about support in mythtv

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laga:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of laga... **

[12:38:17]

laga:

sup?

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whyz:

what other decoding methods? :/ i'm a total newbie to dvb.. trying to get a basic understanding for it all before i buy something i don't want. do all cards have CI slots? what does CI stand for?

[12:38:28]

Juski:

aye aye laga

[12:38:37]

Juski:

CI == common interface

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Juski:

whyz: by 'other' I meant not using hardware

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PaulWay:

Anyone here in Australia and using the tvguide.org.au grabber?

[12:39:06]

PaulWay:

My listings are all one hour later than they should be, and I can't figure out why.

[12:40:03]

whyz:

Juski: like softcams or what?

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laga:

oh, he said the S word!

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Juski:

whyz: non-hardware methods is what I said

[12:40:31]

Juski:

anyway – better get back to work

[12:40:43]

Juski:

training up a new guy :-/

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whyz:

k, thanks for you help

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PaulWay:

Juski: remember, regular beatings is the best way to enforce discipline... :-)

[12:42:03]

laga:

PaulWay: beatings? we're geeks, why not use tasers?

[12:45:19]

PaulWay:

Of course! A much better idea.

[12:45:41]

PaulWay:

A taser that you can ping to deliver a pre-defined shock.

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laga:

yeah, hack it up with some wireless gear

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laga:

or even better. use different tasers connected to a hacked up xbox. with the controller, you should be able to control the person's movement to some extent

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PaulWay:

Too much time setting it up?

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laga:

hum, you're right, but the hack value is quite high

[12:47:51]

PaulWay:

True.

[12:50:44]

PaulWay:

By Isaac, have you seen the new bill they're proposing in Britain?

[12:51:03]

PaulWay:

It gives ministers the right to add, amend and remove legislation pretty much as they see fit.

[12:51:11]

PaulWay:

Can anyone see the slight problem in this?

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laga:

naw, it's a democracy (more or less) and the ministers were elected by the people, so it's basically the people changing the laws, huh?

[12:52:17]

laga:

so everything will be ok. just trust me. and swallow this pill while you're at it.

[12:55:20]

Cromz:

so.. like I added a 2nd pvr350 to my fc3smp myth, now the serial port ir blaster stopped working.

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Cromz:

http://pastebin.ca/48341

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hashbang:

"the beatings will continue until morale improves!"

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null:

Will the Logitech Harmony 525 Remote work together with my Pinnacle PCTV Pro IR Receiver? AFAIK Logitech doesn't ship an IR receiver, right?

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monkeyBox:

Is there an ivtv channel?

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monkeyBox:

I'm having major problems after upgrading my ivtv driver. I can't seem to change the channel at all. I tried shutting down my server overnight — didn't help.

[13:32:02]

laga:

well, a downgrade might help.

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Juski:

a lobotomy might help

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Juski:

it might help _me_ I mean

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RaYmAn-Bx:

monkeyBox: #ivtv-dev

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monkeyBox:

thx

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stuarta:

!trout Juski's minion

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski's minion with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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null:

Will the Logitech Harmony 525 Remote work together with my Pinnacle PCTV Pro IR Receiver? AFAIK Logitech doesn't ship an IR receiver, right?

[13:34:31]

Juski:

minion? I prefer the word 'bitch'

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stuarta:

slave?

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** Juski reads his previous statement & sees something potentially very wrong with it **

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Juski:

time for some kwaaaawfee

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stuarta:

she who must be obeyed may not like it?

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Juski:

my assistant isn't female..

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omer:

Hello

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Juski:

null – depends if your remote receiver is dumb or not. If it's dumb (i.e. like a lirc serial receiver) you can use just about any remote with it. if not, you can't

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Juski:

a clue would be whether the IR receiver plugs into the tv tuner card or not – I expect it won't be dumb. Though you can probably program the fugly harmony remote to emulate the Pinnacle IR transmitter

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omer:

I have a lot of errors while tring to compile MythTV on SuSE 10.0.

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null:

Juski: it's a serial receiver... so i guess it's dumb

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Juski:

null – it might be dumb then. Try using lirc & irrecord to see if you can learn the harmony ;-)

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imperfect-:

Hey

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Juski:

(or any other remote)

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imperfect-:

Anyone know why even though the permissions are right the frontend keeps telling me it cannot open the buffer files?

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Juski:

imperfect: they're not being written in the 1st place?

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imperfect-:

Juski: the frontend log says "cannot open cannot open" etc

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Juski:

cannot open might mean the backend isn't writing them

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imperfect-:

2006-04–06 09:49:05.941 Could not open /mythtv/1060_20060406094905.mpg. 12 retries remaining.

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imperfect-:

so do you think I need to restart the backend after changing the paths?

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Juski:

run mythbackend in a console too see if it's working okay

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imperfect-:

using mythtv-setup ?

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Juski:

imperfect: if you changed the paths then yeah restart mythbackend

[14:00:08]

Juski:

or else how would it know you've changed them? ;-)

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

It's all in the dv

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imperfect-:

er db

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

You'd think there would be checks

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imperfect-:

It works now

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imperfect-:

;_)

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imperfect-:

w00t

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imperfect-:

;)

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Juski:

maybe it only checks when you start it up

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Juski:

:-P

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imperfect-:

i dunno

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imperfect-:

the frontend knew i had made the change ;)

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imperfect-:

cuz it was looking for the new file

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imperfect-:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys, this may be a rtfm question, but one of my frontends doesn't turn off if I exit mythtv with "Exit and shutdown" (stays on after "System Halted"), yet my system will shutdown clean and power off if I tap the power button. Wheren can I find the 'power button' script to adjust myth's shutdown command to match?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: you're right. that _is_ an RTFM question

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Juski:

the problem will be that the user you run mythfrontend as doesn't have enough privileges to run the shutdown command

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Juski:

or the shutdown command does just that – not shutdown & power-down

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: It does shutdown, but does not power off.

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imperfect-:

can I use xine to play DVD's?

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Juski:

imperfect-: course you can

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: So where can I look to see what the power button is doing so I can setup myth with the same command to power off the box?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: for one thing the power button is an ACPI event dealt with by the kernel

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Juski:

you could try the poweroff command ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, I'll give that a shot... (at work now, I'll try when I get home.) BTW: SSH tunneling is the bomb! ;-)

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sphing:

jeffa wait til you setup a vpn

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alex777:

any of you guys have experience with replaytv and ir codes ?

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sphing:

is that 2 different subjects... or specifically ir codes on replaytv

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sphing:

cardoe: you availble for a gentoo question

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alex777:

I am trying to convert a replaytv ir code file into raw ir codes so I can use them with lirc

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sphing:

alex... is your lirc working?

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alex777:

I have the .rid file

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alex777:

sphing yes

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sphing:

type irw

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alex777:

I just need the codes for ir blaster

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sphing:

and press some buttons

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alex777:

sphing it won't work

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alex777:

because the ir receiver I have is for the hauppauge pvr-250

[15:06:10]

alex777:

and I need the codes for a satellite set top box

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sphing:

ah I misread that

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alex777:

that's ok

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sphing:

i thought you said need the code for the ir remote

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Cardoe:

sphing: uh ok

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alex777:

I need the actual hex codes my remote sends, and they are in this replay tv .rid file

[15:07:12]

alex777:

I just need to reverse the .rid file into raw codes

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sphing:

Cardoe: not sure if I asked you this before but how can i "trick" gentoo into thinking its installed the kernel?

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sphing:

cause I use my own kernel and then i emerge something and it wants to emerge gentoo-sources

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mchou:

love the apple redisign of the windows logo!

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mchou:

Black diamond. Proceed with care!

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sphing:

link?

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mchou:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sphing: emerge inject is probably what you want

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haj:

At least Windows is better than MacOS ;)

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sphing:

RaYmAn-Bx: fancy stuff

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Cardoe:

sphing: emerge --inject

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Cardoe:

or just emerge the vanilla-kernel and patch it with your stuff each time

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Beirdo:

emerge headache

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Beirdo:

oh wait, I already did that

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sphing:

inject is the way to go...

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Beirdo:

better than snort?

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sphing:

the rules are complicated

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Beirdo:

just don't share needles. don't wanna give your gentoo box nasty diseases

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sphing:

got rootkitted once... i know the feeling

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laga:

well, incubation time can be quite high depending on what you're emerging so it's possible you could take countermeasures just in time

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Beirdo:

Majestik: wake up...

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Beirdo:

lazy Alberta bum

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphing:

Beirdo: where do in Canada do you live?

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Beirdo:

Toronto (yuk)

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sphing:

ah...

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sphing:

far

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sphing:

i'm moving to seattle in about 2 months..

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Beirdo:

I'm moving to Puerto Rico in about 1 month

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphing:

really... se habla espanol?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

no Spanish

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphing:

va ser muy interesante

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Beirdo:

and I'll learn it later

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Beirdo:

my fiancee gives me enough of a hard time about it...

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sphing:

im going from hot to cold... and you: cold to hot

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Beirdo:

well...

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Beirdo:

our summer last year was about 4F colder than PR

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Beirdo:

for the whole summer

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Beirdo:

for the rest of the year, PR is WAY hotter than Toronto though :)

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** Beirdo turns up the Cheap Trick **

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Beirdo:

I really like this song

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Beirdo:

NP: Cheap Trick – I Want You To Want Me (Live)

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Beirdo:

I love the sound of that 12-string bass, makes such a rich sound

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: that is a great song... Reminds me of 'the good-ole-days'... ;-)

[15:46:24]

Beirdo:

there's just something about that song...

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laga:

Beirdo: tienes que apprender la lengua ;)

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Beirdo:

laga: don't make me hit you with a bratwurst

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Beirdo:

:)

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laga:

Beirdo: ohy

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** Beirdo cues up some KISS to keep him alert **

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sphing:

Beirdo va estar muy jodido cuando naide habla ingles... que va ser...

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Beirdo:

ahhh, it's nice having bandwidth to stream my MP3s from home to work

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: according to the altavista translator he said "you must apprender the language"...

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Beirdo:

sphing: you'll find what my fiancee finds... she speaks Spanish, I tune her out

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, I do the same thing... Do you use mythweb to serve them?

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sphing:

haha... i'm sure shes going off on you

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Beirdo:

once I have the time to spend some time learning Spanish, I'll be fine

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: no, I wrote my own scripts to stream

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sphing:

trust me its alot funner to cuss in spanish

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sphing:

alot more vulgar

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J-e-f-f-A:

I took a year in High School, but that was 20 years ago... ;-)

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Beirdo:

sphing: usually talking to her parents

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Beirdo:

so no cussing

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sphing:

*funner... i need to speak english... more fun

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Beirdo:

but she ain't talking to me, so I tune her out

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sphing:

Beirdo: well welcome to america... sort of

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laga:

spanish is a great language. and it sounds better than french ;)

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laga:

Beirdo: you didn't happen to take latin classes, did you?

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sphing:

when Beirdo when to high school it was roman

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Beirdo:

a family friend (her family) is over at her place (17yr old girl), and she keeps trying to talk to me in Spanish :)

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sphing:

LOW BLOW

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no, we didn't have latin at our school

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Beirdo:

I took French for 11 years though

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laga:

Beirdo: k, just checking. it would have been a lot more easier to learn spanish then

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I just created a playlist and put it in the same directory as the MP3's — WMP streams them via http just fine...

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Beirdo:

Spanish won't be hard, just takes time commitment

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sphing:

spanish will be no problem then

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laga:

Beirdo: oh, you should be fine then

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** laga took 9 years of french and forgot *everything* **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, if you know french, then spanish shouldn't be that hard of a leap... My HS spanish teacher was fluent in French too...

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: well, I autogenerate the .pls, and then stream using apache masquerading as an icecast server

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Beirdo:

I really surprised a classmate from Chile by roughly translating an email he wrote to his dad in Spanish

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: <mp3 streaming> that's cool.

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Beirdo:

not knowing Spanish at all.. the similarities to French were enough to get REAL close

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laga:

Beirdo: check out 'interlingua'. a really nice artifical language

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Beirdo:

he decided to slag people in private after that

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe...

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, it took a bit of tweaking, and use of an NPH-cgi using perl and MP3::Icecast (with minor mods)

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Beirdo:

but it works great

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Beirdo:

just don't try doing it through mod_proxy in apache, it will bugger the headers by adding HTTP headers

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: do you use linux at work too? I'm stuck with XP...

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Beirdo:

the desktop is XP, but I'm a Solaris admin at work

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Beirdo:

... shout it, shout it, shout it out loud....

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Beirdo:

I need to normalize the volume in my MP3s

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Beirdo:

this is ridiculous

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Beirdo:

perl is my friend (mostly) lately

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Beirdo:

still wanna kick it in the nuts occasionally though

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Beirdo:

now I just need to sync my entire collection of MP3s onto my fileserver so I can stream anything I want :)

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scopeuk:

heh

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scopeuk:

ok you guys seam liek the best people to ask i cna think of whats the best tool for creating divx compatable video (free or open source)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: ... or share the directorys via NFS or samba... I do that with an NSLU2 to serve my MP3's on myth to a pnp audio player...

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Beirdo:

it's currently all on an external disk I use to put onto my iBook to sync the iPod

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Beirdo:

I won't be sharing to work :)

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna work... i just wanna bang on the drum all day

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: ditto!

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Beirdo:

this song also rules

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Beirdo:

wonder what effects box they have on that bass

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I dunno... I'm a sound tech, but not a musician... ;-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

well, I've half-learned the bass, and that bass is definitely through some sort of effect

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: On all of my radios, the bass is turned all the way up... ;-)

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Beirdo:

I play the music flat usually

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Beirdo:

maybe a touch of bass boost

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Beirdo:

like in this song

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Beirdo:

Billy Idol – White Wedding

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** scopeuk changes his mpe3 to white weding **

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Beirdo:

now THAT sounds like a unmodified bass to me :)

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scopeuk:

great into :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

scopeuk: is that a new format? I've never heard of "mpe3" ;-)

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scopeuk:

;-)

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Beirdo:

if I can ever play the bass that fast, I'll be impressed

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scopeuk:

i knwo a few bassists

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scopeuk:

soudsn great but basis isent a solo instrument

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Beirdo:

Billy Idol's music is all bass-heavy

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scopeuk:

yup

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Beirdo:

it can be if you are good...

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scopeuk:

listening to white weding now :D

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Beirdo:

ever heard Michael Anthony go at it solo?

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Beirdo:

or Doug Pinnack (King's X)?

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Beirdo:

I think I spelled it right

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scopeuk:

nope

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sphing:

I have house as "record on any channel" and myth recorded a movie called house

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Beirdo:

actually, Doug went on record saying that King's X older music (Gretchen Goes to Nebraska era) can be played with ONLY the 12-string bass

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Beirdo:

as that's how he wrote it

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scopeuk:

gd on him

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Beirdo:

he's an impressive bassist at the worst of times :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphing: makes sense...

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Beirdo:

plays 12-string, 5-string and a seriously down-tuned 4-string

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

like 1.5 tones down-tuned on every string

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sphing:

J-e-f-f-A: yea its funny though

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Beirdo:

dunno how he can do that

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Beirdo:

buzzes like a mother...

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havoc:

morning

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** havoc just finished replacing the shutoffs and outdoor spigot for the garden hose **

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: afternoon here... (Boston) ;-)

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scopeuk:

J-e-f-f-A its ugt

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Beirdo:

another artist that makes the bass sound good... Sting

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scopeuk:

universal greatigns time you join its mornign you leave its night

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, *still* "morning" here in WI

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havoc:

technically anyway

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe...

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havoc:

I've been up since ~04:30 anyway

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Beirdo:

4:30, are you insane?

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havoc:

Beirdo: probably

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havoc:

my sleep schedule is all fubar since the wife went to nights

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Beirdo:

that would do it

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Beirdo:

mine is slightly outta whack from DST

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Beirdo:

but not THAT badly

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havoc:

heh

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havoc:

yesterday I got up at 2am

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scopeuk:

heh im movign towards 1/2 term time

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scopeuk:

the only am's ill see will be 1 2 and 3

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mine's just out of whack since I'm whacked and don't go to bed and get up at the same time each day...

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Beirdo:

that'd do it for sure

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scopeuk:

think im gonan be hating myself later

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havoc:

unfortunately I have to answer phones n stuff during "normal" business hours

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J-e-f-f-A:

I just can't give up when I'm troubleshooting something... I hate giving up when I'm this close... ya know what I mean?

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

yesyterday 4 hours spent on remote acces configuring a router

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scopeuk:

so awkward when your not the to rip the power cord out (domestic )

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

OK, I need lunch

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scopeuk:

can you power cycle it for me WHAT?

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scopeuk:

go eat i always do :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

I hate trying to talk a non-technical person through something technical...

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sphing:

J-e-f-f-A: dont... VNC

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J-e-f-f-A:

Half the time I will get it done quicker if I were to drive into work myself...

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, like no one knows what "cycle power" means for instance

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphing: Yah, that works fine for 'personal' stuff, but they block it at work... We're a financial services company — security is pretty tight...

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sphing:

... vpn

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scopeuk:

sphing i did untill we got to configurign the wireless network thenshe wanted me to talk here rew it

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: I deal with a lot of medical orgs, same thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphing: Even over the VPN, they block VNC since it's not a secure solution...

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scopeuk:

i mean thats nto even sdlightly awkward

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havoc:

but I usually set them up with a linux gateway/router w/ shorewall

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphing: I have to use remote desktop from home to work over the VPN...

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: vnc via ssh tunnel

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** havoc does *everything* via ssh tunnel **

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havoc:

with key auth too

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** scopeuk whould give up long before atemptign to talk any oen the none tehcies he know through configurign ssh for m **

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scopeuk:

ee

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc, sphing: Yeah, I've started to do that with personal stuff, but they firewall and lock down everything here at work. I can't even run the VNC executable on my work desktop anymore — it's blocked by a "secuity policy" now...

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, so you're not the IT guy there?

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc, sphing: as a matter of fact, I'm typing to you via an SSH tunnel to my myth server at home...

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Juski:

I thought work had blocked my vnd & ssh ports, turned out the firewall was just bollocksed

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havoc:

cool

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stuarta:

evening Juski

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Juski:

(the work firewall that is)

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Juski:

evening

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Nope. I'm a 15-year tech veteran. Tandem computers (now known as HP NonStop — high end fault-tolerant machines)

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scopeuk:

how come wmv is such a git to convert

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Juski:

er.. cos it's crap?

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: I meant you don't make policy

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stuarta:

it's the 'w' in its name

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scopeuk:

juski unfutunately people insist on distributing in it

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scopeuk:

stuarta couldent agreemore

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Juski:

who insists on it, scopeuk?

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Juski:

I insist on using open formats

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scopeuk:

emc for starters

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Juski:

emc?

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scopeuk:

and many a clip site

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scopeuk:

they do martial arts and parkor

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Juski:

the lame clip sites can go to hell

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scopeuk:

like the backing music lol

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Juski:

as can anyone who uses QT

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

would you like QuickTime (tm) to steal your file format associations? (yes or yes) ?

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

rm files are evil too

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scopeuk:

oh thought you were talkign abotu something else yes

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scopeuk:

quick time is evil

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havoc:

QT is the MOST evil :<

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Nope – And there's not many holes in the FW here, so I ran a port scan and found an open port and I am using that for my ssh connection now... ;-)

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Juski:

you ran a port scan at work? happy job hunting

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: all you need is one port

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scopeuk:

i find google video funney

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havoc:

J-e-f-f-A: (with ssh)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Yeah, but I used a 'fancy' one that scans random ports and with random delays between attempts. They didn't find it, our it department isn't that savvy...

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scopeuk:

it department at our school couldent lock themselves in a vault

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Juski:

even so...

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J-e-f-f-A:

havoc: Yep, that's what I did. But I also setup a port for streaming my mythstreamtv programs... ;-)

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havoc:

heh, cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: The logs have probably already rolled anyways — I ran the scan 2 weeks ago, and we get tons of traffic here... probably over 1GB/hour with the 250+ employees at this location...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: and I didn't port scan the internal network — I port scanned for open ports to the internet...

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Juski:

ah well

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Juski:

I'

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J-e-f-f-A:

(otherwise I probably would have been getting let go...)

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Juski:

I'm majorly pissed off today

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Juski:

had a day off next week turned down :-/

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stuarta:

the bastards!

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scopeuk:

thats harsh juski

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Juski:

loads of peeps who have kids are taking next week off

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Juski:

fuckers

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scopeuk:

i fall into the catagory of kids as far as next weeks is concerened

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scopeuk:

two weeks off he he

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J-e-f-f-A:

scopeuk: bum... I asked for next Friday off (Good Friday), and was given a "tenative" response... wtf?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Plus we're moving our datacenter (10+ mainframe class machines) over the next couple of months (only downtime is weekend), so most of my summer weekends are blown...

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Juski:

gawd people know what to charge for C++ & Qt books :-O

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scopeuk:

peopel are harsh

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scopeuk:

can nuv export produce divx compatable video?

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Juski:

xvid, not divx

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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Juski:

divx has been patented or some rubbish

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scopeuk:

ope standards and all

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scopeuk:

jsut hope the damn thing plays on my mp3 player

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Juski:

is the O'Reilly book on Qt programming any good, does anyone know?

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Juski:

I mean in the context of learning to code for mythtv? ;-)

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stuarta:

no idea about the book but...

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stuarta:

QT is used in two ways: UI & utility classess.

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Juski:

I've played with some of the libraries, namely string handling & mysql stuff

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stuarta:

utility classes are easy as & Isaac is writing the gui :)

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stuarta:

I learnt it by RTFM when asking WTFDTD???

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

rather than moan about features myth lacks I wanna do stuff instead

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Juski:

and any programming experience might help me get out of this shitty job

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havoc:

Juski: make the window dynamicly resizable ;)

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Juski:

havoc: nah

[16:53:16]

Juski:

how would you click on the corner with your remote? :-P

[16:53:40]

havoc:

Juski: I want to run it in a little window on my worstation while I'm working

[16:53:44]

havoc:

and I have no remote

[16:53:50]

Juski:

I'm thinking about fixing some stuff – like aspect ratio things in mythgallery first, then delve into mythmusic

[16:54:08]

Juski:

havoc: I don't care about what you want :-P

[16:54:13]

havoc:

bastard :)

[16:54:49]

Juski:

and maybe – who knows.. maybe one day a plugin to be able to play online radio properly

[16:54:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's harsh! :-o

[16:55:01]

omer:

Hello

[16:55:10]

omer:

I ahve problem with compiling mythtv

[16:55:11]

Juski:

heh. maybe harsh but it works for a lot of the developers

[16:55:15]

omer:

*have

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski, havoc: I'm trying to learn PHP so I can help improve 'mythstreamtv' and/or work with xris with 'mythweb'

[16:56:39]

** havoc knows PHP **

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Juski:

omer: what problem? post questions & people can try to help

[16:57:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski, havoc: I just learned the other day that the html FONT tag is depreciated... Ick.. Time to delve into CSS stuff...

[16:57:33]

** Juski is only interested in improving mythtv from his own point of view, like a lot of people **

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omer:

The make file return erors, very long.

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Juski:

omer: do you have all the dependencies? it's the first thing to check

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, with mythstreamtv, do you happen to know what it uses as a backend?

[16:58:12]

Juski:

mythstreamtv uses VLC IIRC

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: It uses VLC tot ranscode and stream...

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J-e-f-f-A:

*to

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kormoc:

I found out that ffmpeg has a streaming server, which also can stream into FVL (Flash Video), and played via a flash player

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Juski:

anyway – streaming recordings over the internet? how lame, on a 128k uplink?

[16:58:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and *transcode

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omer:

Yeah, I check this. it have some missed files, and they excicte.

[16:59:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Who's got a 128k uplink? I'm on fibre at home.. 2Mbps uplink... hehe

[16:59:13]

alex777:

when watching live tv, how can I change between Tuner0 and Svideo0 ?

[16:59:13]

kormoc:

Juski, 320x340x15 fps is only 200 kbits per second via flash video, very doable

[16:59:14]

Juski:

omer: the first few lines of the error will help you work out what is missing

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MaestroTech:

MythDVD

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MaestroTech:

I installed these packages on both my laptop and my desktop....strangely though, I only have the "Optical Drive" option on my laptop. I'm very confused.

[16:59:23]

havoc:

kormoc: ah, cool, with synced audio?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski, 15Mbps downlink...

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kormoc:

havoc, seems to

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alex777:

when watching live tv, how can I change between Tuner0 and Svideo0 ?

[16:59:34]

havoc:

very cool

[16:59:42]

Juski:

alex777: RTFM

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MaestroTech:

Juski, LOL

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kormoc:

havoc, I've just been playing with it, but yeah, I want to talk to xris and likely make it a mythweb module

[17:00:04]

havoc:

kormoc: that would be very cool

[17:00:36]

omer:

I read this. it miss qdom.h, and it excicte. and another 3 more files also excicte. It's pretty weird.

[17:00:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, havoc: xris and I have had a discussion along those lines — he wants to also, but hasn't been approched by the mythstreamtv author(s)...

[17:01:18]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, well, my idea is to use ffserver to stream to a flash player or to your media player, no need to get mythstreamtv involved to be honest

[17:01:27]

Juski:

omer: seems you're missing some Qt libs

[17:01:33]

MaestroTech:

alex777, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

[17:01:44]

havoc:

kormoc: that would be ideal, as far as portability on the client end is concerned

[17:01:44]

Juski:

omer: either that or your Qt path is set wrongly

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, havoc: As it is, I don't think they've updated it for .19 yet. I had to search the groups to find a script that another Myth user put together to make it work on mythweb .19, and even then a couple of the buttons weren't setup right.

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Juski:

how about making a mythburn module that doesn't have so many dependencies? I mean build stuff into its code? ;-)

[17:02:42]

omer:

I search them, and they all excicte. they are in /usr/include/. qdom.h is in /usr/include/Qt/

[17:03:19]

MaestroTech:

Juski, why reinvite the wheel...or the wheels, so the speek.

[17:03:21]

Juski:

omer: then mythtv's build script doesn't know where to find the libs. Go back to the 'how to compile mythtv' docs & read them again

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MaestroTech:

hi gumby

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omer:

O.K. I try this.

[17:03:59]

Juski:

MaestroTech: because – mjpegtools segfaults on my machine at home – one other user has reported it & nobody gives a damn

[17:04:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'm currently using "SwissCenter" to serve my Pinnacle ShowCenter 1000, with links to the myth recordings directory. I hacked together a script to create the links with the program title:subtitle.mpg that link to the 'real' files in the myth recordings dir...

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Juski:

mythburn is a big bit of jelly holding loads of different code together. some is perl, some is bash script, some java, some C++ ... nasty

[17:06:47]

Juski:

mytharchive might turn out okay.. I'm hoping so anyway

[17:08:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Does the latest version of mythburn allow 'non-standard' dvd resolutions? The thing that ticked me off is that when I first tried it, it would only work with dvd-compliant files... Even though I could burn the same file on my PC to a DVD (without transcoding btw), and it would play in every dvd player I own...

[17:08:52]

Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: what res the player works with depends on the player, not the authoring program

[17:08:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: the software would 'warn' me that the .mpg wasn't dvd compliant, but would allow me to burn it.

[17:09:23]

Juski:

you don't get dvd compliant mpeg2 out of pvr cards or dvb cards

[17:09:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Yeah, but last time I tried mythburn, it wouldn't let me select anything that wasn't recorded at 720x480...

[17:10:04]

omer:

I look in the wiki and in the documatation. I didn't found anything that would help me.

[17:10:04]

Juski:

dunno what mythburn works with anyway – never erm.. got it working

[17:10:16]

Juski:

omer: $QTPATH ?

[17:10:26]

Juski:

sorry $QTDIR

[17:10:40]

Juski:

etc etc

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Juski:

ah sod it I'm going home

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omer:

it /usr/lib/qt3

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Majestik:

Beirdo, What did you want? I was sleeping :)

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alex777:

can I select which source (Svideo0, Tuner0) mythtv uses for recording ?

[17:13:50]

alex777:

because for example I have tuner0 is my cable, and in Svideo0 I have it connected to my satellite receiver

[17:13:55]

kRutOn_:

You can set a tuner preference higher

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Gumby:

alex777: yes, its all done in mythtv-setup

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alex777:

but it's the same card, I don't have 2 cards

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alex777:

pvr-250

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Gumby:

alex777: have you even tried yet?

[17:15:15]

alex777:

yes, I had put one to tuner0 and the other to svideo0

[17:15:23]

alex777:

and I can switch between them in live tv

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Gumby:

as kRutOn said, you can set the preferece higher for one of the cards

[17:16:16]

alex777:

I only have 1 card, I just want to use different inputs on the same card

[17:16:41]

Gumby:

maybe there is an option for the inputs as well

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The_Ball:

alex777, are you sure your card supports using more than one input at a time?

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kRutOn:

When I said preference per card, I meant cardinput

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alex777:

The_Ball it probably doesn't, so I am aware of that

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kRutOn:

But it is all under the card input settings in mythtv-setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – are you running .19?

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alex777:

kRutOn I will try

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alex777:

J-e-f-f-A yes I am running 0.19

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kRutOn:

win 3

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kRutOn:

for the home team

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – As long as you have two different sources configured for each input, then Myth (.19) will figure out which input to use.

[17:23:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – But if you have a conflict, you need to set the priorities so that the more important recording prevails...

[17:24:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – (by conflict, I mean a myth scheduling conflict)

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alex777:

what if I don't have a source for the svideo0 ?

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alex777:

can I still use the manual scheduling ?

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alex777:

and select which input to record it from ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – Well, I don't know — I have 3 Dish receivers feeding into PVR-x50's, and I use IR blasters to control the channel changing.

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – therefore, the svideo0 does have a source — it's the dish listings.

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alex777:

I am more interested in the short term, as in to record the soccer game which starts in 3 mins

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alex777:

I'll figure it out completely later

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lcase:

somebody who has FC5 and an skystar2 card running?

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J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – I think you'd have to create a 'dummy' channel entry (IE: "1"), which is tied to your S-Video0 input. Probably not something you'll get done in 1–1/2 mins...

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lcase:

nobody? it seems that fc5 has not the modules shipped, but FC3 here goes well :(

[17:29:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

alex777 – (and with a different source ID than your cable channels, because the source ID is links the input to the channel(s))

[17:30:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

lcase: Sorry — I'm in the US and have to use external sat tuners with ir blasters... I wish I could have the receiver on a PCI card!

[17:31:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

lcase: besides that, I haven't taken the jump to FC5 yet, still running FC4.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(I'm a firm believer in "If it ain't broke, don't fixt it" when it comes to computers!) ;-)

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Gurft:

I have a quiestion about transcoding

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Gurft:

I get an error whenever a transcoding job starts in my backend log that says "Unrecognized codec: "

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lcase:

yes i am also don't like upgrading but FC5 run faster on my Epia Board (It feels faster)

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kRutOn:

lcase: the DVB modules come with the FC5 kernel

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lcase:

in wich directory should they live?

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kRutOn:

I have dvb-bt8xx module running with stock kernel

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kRutOn:

Something like /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/dvb

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lcase:

under media is here no dvb directory :(

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lcase:

it is the 2.6.16 kernel rom fedora

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kRutOn:

do you get any output from rpm -q kernel | grep dvb

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lcase:

there is only /common /radio /video

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lcase:

no output

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lcase:

is there an missing rpm?

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kRutOn:

let me download the kernel rpm and look at it

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lcase:

ok

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hashbang:

lcase: rpm -ql kernel | grep dvb

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Beirdo:

oh oh, a square root just happened

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** Beirdo wonders where -Nem^ is hiding **

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lcase:

hashbang: no output

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hashbang:

lcase: rpm -q kernel

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lcase:

hashbang: kernel-2.6.16–1.2080_FC5

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scopeuk:

damn wmvs damn them to hell

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** scopeuk beats wmv over the head witha baseball bat **

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scopeuk:

i rearly need to fidn what res my player uses nativley i cant get the damn vid scaled right

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lcase:

hashbang: any ideas where the modules could be?

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hashbang:

looks like the FC5 kernel you're running doesn't supply them.

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lcase:

its the normal fc5 kernel :( i can't believe that FC has no DVB support...

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kormoc:

Beirdo, amusing :)

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Beirdo:

scopeuk: mplayer...

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scopeuk:

no my portable video player

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kRutOn:

$ rpm -qlp kernel-2.6.16–1.2080_FC5.i686.rpm | grep -i dvb

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kRutOn:

/lib/modules/2.6.16–1.2080_FC5/kernel/drivers/media/dvb

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kRutOn:

/lib/modules/2.6.16–1.2080_FC5/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/b2c2

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kRutOn:

/lib/modules/2.6.16–1.2080_FC5/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/b2c2/b2c2-flexcop- pci.ko

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kRutOn:

etc

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kRutOn:

lcase: I don't know which kernel you're running, but it should be there

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lcase:

hmm

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lcase:

i will look directly at the rpm again

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lcase:

i have here only the i586 package because of the epia board

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lcase:

perhaps that the difference

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lcase:

in the i686 packages the dvb modules are there ...

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lcase:

thats confusing

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lcase:

i will try it with this kernel, but i think it will dont't run here :(

[18:04:54]

lcase:

thanks for your help

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kRutOn:

file a bug in bugzilla.redhat.com

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kormoc:

you could say, install the kernel sources rpm and compile the module yourself as well

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kRutOn:

lcase: Which processor do you hve?

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lcase:

the epia has an c3

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lcase:

via c3

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lcase:

i will try it tomorrow , again thanks for you help

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lcase:

bye

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Beirdo:

kormoc: you having fun without xris here to keep you in line?

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, lots of fun bugs to fix! :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

kormoc: break's over, he's back :)

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kormoc:

hehe, indeed :)

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wylie:

Hi everyone — I just wanted to share some photos of expirementation with Xgl and MythTV — see here http://datamaersk.com/mythtv-xgl/

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sphing:

OOOOO

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sphing:

<--- very interested

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wylie:

cool, eh?

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topping:

http://www.cheapstingybargains.com/cheapster/ . . . e_wintv.html

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sphing:

wylie yea my card is supported too

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sphing:

so i need to get on that

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wylie:

I would not recommend the MythTV-Xgl combination for your primary frontend just yet — but it does work. Caveat, at least with my Nvidia card — you must export NO_XV=1 prior to running mythfrontend. If you try it out, enjoy!

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sphing:

wylie: no xgl on my laptop

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sphing:

rarely ever use frontend

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J-e-f-f-A:

wylie: cool... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wylie: Now you need to run a 2nd frontend on a different side of the cube! ;-)

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charger:

mythbackend is crashing when my recordings reach 2GB in size...is that probably a mythtv bug, or would it probably have to do with my recordings going to across SMB to an NTFS drive?

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J-e-f-f-A:

charger: bingo — I think that's a known SMB issue.

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charger:

any idea if its been fixed recently/in cvs, ie, would updating help?

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fozi:

samba doesn't support largefiles? I'm pretty sure I used it with files greater than 2GB.

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J-e-f-f-A:

charger: a google search turned up a comment about that and the reply was "I had a similar problem a couple of releases ago. Make sure you're current."

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J-e-f-f-A:

charger: also just found a page that mentions to add the "lf" option to the smbmount command...

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charger:

k...i'm currently prowsing google too, thanks...also, is there a way to set a max file size in mythsetup or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

charger: What do you mean by max file size?

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fozi:

no. each recording is in only one file

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charger:

ah, thanks

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Ruis:

what's the best place to get myth packages for suse 10?

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simon_c_home:

Ruis: Wait about 48 hours, and then get them from packman.

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** simon_c_home is working on them now. **

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Ruis:

how's that for luck. :)

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simon_c_home:

Ruis: Or, you can grab an older version from gdwg.de

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simon_c_home:

Ruis: One sec

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Ruis:

simon_c_home, thanks. i still have to wait for my hardware to arrive, so 48 hours is perfect.

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simon_c_home:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Suse_Howto

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Ruis:

simon_c_home, beautiful. thanks!

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Coder1:

hi all

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Coder1:

i'm about to install the MythTV tables to mysql.

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Coder1:

Are the 0.19 ones ok for DVB? I don't have to edit them right?

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phatmonkey:

nope

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phatmonkey:

it's a standard feature now

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Coder1:

k thanks

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whyz:

hey.. i just installed a dvb card and got it running in myth. Though, it takes about 100% cpu

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laga:

what does? livetv? epg scanning?

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whyz:

livetv

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laga:

what hardware?

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whyz:

hauppauge hvr 1300. Though, i use a pvr 350 (with hardware mpeg decoder) for output

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laga:

i wonder if dvb streams are compatible with the hardware mpeg decoder

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laga:

just take a look at your frontend logs :) maybe you need to increase verbosity, though

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whyz:

hm, only got backend logs..

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laga:

start the frontend in a terminal then or redirect its output to file. mythfrontend --help is your friend :)

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Coder1:

is it best to run X as a "mythtvuser" or some such?

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Coder1:

humm, brb

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whyz:

damn.. gf is watching one hour photo on the tv, can't try myth before next commercial break :P

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cipher:

haha

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meushi:

you need one of the new fangled ones... different program shown depending on the viewing angle :)

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TheFloyd:

I thought the pvr350 didn't do anything for HD streams?

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laga:

annoy her over mythtvosd (or however you call it)

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Beirdo:

send her horny messages.

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whyz:

:P

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laga:

Beirdo: that's an awesome idea for my bedroom frontend. thanks!

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cipher:

same here... :]

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Beirdo:

I'm gonna have to install that plugin after I move :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** meushi rolls eyes **

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laga:

i'm prolly gonna bind that to a button on my remote

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meushi:

geeks :)

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Beirdo:

your point being?

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laga:

meushi: horny geeks. even worse.

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meushi:

hehe

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** laga is not a geek, though **

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laga:

just hrony. ;)

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laga:

s/hrony7horny/

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meushi:

laga: horny geek in denial?

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Beirdo:

laga: you are so a geek

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stuarta:

laga is a gnome

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Beirdo:

and I will soon be a married geek

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Beirdo:

hehe

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meushi:

Beirdo: run away! quick! ;)

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laga:

Beirdo, stuarta: shuddup ;)

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Beirdo:

the hell with running away

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laga:

meushi: :P

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meushi:

getting married puts a big glaring hole in the toys budget

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stuarta:

it takes far too much research to find one to keep...

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** havoc is a married geek **

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stuarta:

so you don't run away when you find em

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Beirdo:

I have all the toys I need for a while

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Beirdo:

and stuarta is SO right

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Beirdo:

of course, my fiancee is a geek in denial herself

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laga:

girls are good toys

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Beirdo:

she's a Solaris admin for god's sakes, how can she possibly think she's not a geek?

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stuarta:

hehehe

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** meushi is a married non-geek... used to be a non-married geek **

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laga:

meushi: what's better?

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laga:

(she taught you well, huh?)

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meushi:

laga: the jury is still out on that one :)

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Beirdo:

married geek is the best

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laga:

heh

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meushi:

if both are working, married geek is still possible

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Beirdo:

the tougher one will be "married geek father"

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laga:

married geek with own room for tinkering, i might add

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meushi:

you still have a budget for stuff, you get free time, ...

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Beirdo:

you add kids to the mix, your time for geeking out disappears rapidly

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laga:

Beirdo: yeah, how are you gonna explain to your kids they can't play the sims on linux? ;)

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

I don't care

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Beirdo:

I'll have a windows gaming box

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meushi:

heh, with kids you just turn into a different kind of geek

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meushi:

get back to basics... lego and stuff

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

:)

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laga:

Beirdo: your kids will want one, too ;)

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laga:

lego mindstorms isn't that bad, i think

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laga:

and the wife can't tell you not to buy that stuff. "'cause it's for the kids, you know?"

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meushi:

yeah, can't wait for the kids to be there... finally an excuse to get the whole mindstorms set :D

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laga:

;)

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meushi:

doesn't work with the pug... a shame

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laga:

pug?

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meushi:

see the dog in man in black?

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meushi:

men in black, even

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laga:

yep

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Beirdo:

hehe

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meushi:

that :)

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Beirdo:

pug – think dog that ran into the wall face first

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laga:

i thought you were talking about cars – pug is a common abbreviation for peugeot. and that made me wonder, kind of ;)

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Beirdo:

little ugly dogs that are often adorable anyways

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meushi:

and snore madly

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meushi:

and sneeze on everything

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Beirdo:

hehe

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meushi:

they're really adorable

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Beirdo:

that's common to animals that have smushed faces

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whyz:

laga, i have the logs now.. don't know what to see in them. are you the guy to ask?

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Beirdo:

I prefer Shetland Sheepdogs myself.

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Beirdo:

but pugs can be adorable little guys for sure

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laga:

whyz: just post them on pastebin and give us the url, somneone will have a look :)

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meushi:

they're a bit weird when you first see them as adults... get them when they're 2 months :)

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Beirdo:

please no chihuahuas though.

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meushi:

heh

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whyz:

http://pastebin.com/644873

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whyz:

doesn't say very much i'm afraid

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Beirdo:

yappy little mexican sewer rats

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meushi:

Beirdo: talking about dogs here, right? not weird mutant rodents :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

yip yip yip yip....

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Beirdo:

they ARE dogs

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Beirdo:

but they are so not normal dogs

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my fiancee likes the tiny dogs... shudder

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whyz:

but it seems it doesn't use the hardware decoder.. otherwise it shouldn't take so much cpu. mythfrontend takes around 40%

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J-e-f-f-A:

My cats would eat a chihuahua...

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Beirdo:

yeah, other than the big head, there's not much to them

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Beirdo:

yo quiero Taco Bell..

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

stupid chihuahua

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laga:

Beirdo: your first step towards learning spanish. nice :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

that was "te amo mucho"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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lml:

I have strange problem with my frontend.

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Beirdo:

oh oh, someone's being on-topic again

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Beirdo:

what's up, lml?

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lml:

I have 2 machines a backend/frontend and a frontend. On the pure frontend I can open then frontend and browse the programs, but when I try to play a recorded program nothing happens.

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

you have the backend override (or something like that) setting on?

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lml:

If I look in the terminal I will get lots of "Error: file missing" and if I go back a bit I can see that it is looking for the nuv file on my local file system.

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lml:

I don't think so, what is backend override?

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Beirdo:

if that's on, it tells the frontend to look locally (I think) rather than ask the backend

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Beirdo:

I think that's what it does

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lml:

Is it something that is set on the frontend?

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Beirdo:

not sure, might be in mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

I can't recall, but I remember seeing it before

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Beirdo:

been a while since I tried a front-end only system

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lml:

mythtv-setup is only on the backend, right?

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Beirdo:

correct

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: All that hardware and no remote frontends?!?

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lml:

It was set on my backend, on sec then I will test if it changes anything.

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Beirdo:

I live currently in a studio apartment

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Beirdo:

lml: restart the backend after changing it

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Beirdo:

as in the backend process, not reboot :)

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Coder1:

when you scan for channels why does it say "Skipping ...blah blah"

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Coder1:

on some channels? Are they the encrypted DVB ones?

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lml:

I have restarted the backend and it did not seem to work.

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Beirdo:

hmmm, not sure what else to try off-hand

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lml:

Ok, I will play around with it a bit. Thanks.

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Beirdo:

good luck :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: A studio apartment... So you're in your Living Room/Bedroom/Kitchen right now? ;-)

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Beirdo:

I'm at work right now

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lml:

One thing I noticed, when I restarted the mythtv-backend I got a authentication error. Everything seems to be working fine – except for the playing of recordings on the frontend.

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Beirdo:

but it has one HUGE room plus a kitchen, bathroom and a walkin closet

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laga:

i think that authentication error is normal.

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laga:

ok, good night guys :)

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Beirdo:

moving from that to a 4-bedroom house

[21:05:58]

Beirdo:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: In PR, right? What brings you down there, your fiance?

[21:06:33]

Beirdo:

love

[21:06:35]

Beirdo:

yes :)

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Majestik:

Awwww..

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Beirdo:

oh look, Majestik finally woke up

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Beirdo:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Maybe he's just a sucker for a good love story?!?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Majestik:

I've been awake.. fighting stupid Solaris boxen

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Beirdo:

yes, that can always be a joy

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Beirdo:

gimme back the sledgehammer

[21:08:32]

Beirdo:

invitations SHOULD be mailed tomorrow.

[21:08:43]

Beirdo:

woohoo

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Majestik:

x86 solaris.. lovely little toy.. Actually, it is a sledgehamer box :) (Opteron)

[21:08:57]

Majestik:

When was the date? (like anyone else here cares..)

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Beirdo:

that's not x86

[21:09:07]

Beirdo:

that x86_64

[21:09:07]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

May 20

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Majestik:

I'll be flying over TO right about then.. going to newfieland 12–18..

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Beirdo:

oh yeah?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Congrats!

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Beirdo:

whatever for that early in the year?

[21:09:58]

Beirdo:

thanks, J-e-f-f-A

[21:09:59]

Beirdo:

:)

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Majestik:

hpcs 2006

[21:10:15]

Beirdo:

digging snow?

[21:10:21]

Majestik:

you're gone from TO by the 12th, right?

[21:10:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

ha!

[21:10:26]

Beirdo:

yup

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Majestik:

Bah, I was thinking we should meet up in the airport if you were still around.. meet the missus, she's coming too

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Beirdo:

aww

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Beirdo:

fly to Newfieland via San Juan

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Beirdo:

:)

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Majestik:

:)(

[21:11:24]

Beirdo:

just a little out of the way

[21:11:35]

Majestik:

yeah, and unfortunately it's my money flying her out there too..

[21:11:39]

Beirdo:

eek

[21:11:59]

** Beirdo bitches about the quality of service on ABC RN streams **

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Majestik:

$242 each way plus taxes.. not horrible

[21:12:05]

Beirdo:

come ON, Aussies!

[21:12:15]

Beirdo:

that's not that bad for the distance

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Beirdo:

20kbit WMA.

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Beirdo:

blech

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Beirdo:

cheap Aussies can't even stream me 64kbit? :)

[21:13:08]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:13:34]

Beirdo:

I think I'll need to add more caching to my scripts

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Speaking of caching — you may know this... anything I can do (besides faster hardware) to minimize 'prebuffering pause's?

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Beirdo:

not that I know of

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm looking at an old Compaq server here at work that they're getting ready to throw out... Dual PII 400 w/ 8 pci slots... Would make a good backend with hardware encoders, but I shudder at the electric bill — dual 500W supplies...

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J-e-f-f-A:

status

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Beirdo:

hehehe

[21:17:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

(oops wrong screen...)

[21:17:24]

Beirdo:

plug one supply into the neighbor's house

[21:17:45]

Beirdo:

then unplug the one plugged into your house

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Or I could just run it with one supply, and only use the other one if it fails... ;-)

[21:18:10]

Beirdo:

plug the second into a generator

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm currently running a dual PIII 866 for my backend, but it's only got 5 slots...

[21:18:22]

Beirdo:

when your power goes off, start the generator

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Beirdo:

through dual UPSes of course ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Here at work our entire computer room runs on the UPS all the time — the 'mains' power just keeps the batteries charged, and if the power fails, the generator kicks in within 2 mins... (ups can run the room for about 15 mins)

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: the noise would also be a huge issue

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J-e-f-f-A:

And we're talking big stuff... we've got 60 TONS of air-conditioning in the room...

[21:20:13]

Beirdo:

get a big diesel generator in the back yard

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Criggie:

J-e-f-f-A: that would be a true online UPS

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Criggie:

the best sort

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: Yeah, I took a look inside, and there's 6 4" fans in there...

[21:21:04]

meushi:

meushi: proliants are noisy fsckers

[21:21:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Criggie: Yep, that's what we have here... we're 24x7 here...

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meushi:

doh

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Beirdo:

son of a bi-i-i-i-i-i-tch

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: ^^

[21:21:19]

Beirdo:

stupid capture is skipping

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Criggie:

fearsome.

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: and spare parts aren't always easy to come by either

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: are you referring to the 'noisy' comment... yep, I understand.

[21:22:01]

meushi:

yup

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Beirdo:

hahahaha

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: OTOH, I wouldn't say no to the nice ML-570's I play on at work... quad xeons, 6GB physical (4GB + 2GB hotswap), 1.4TB FCAL and a SLTO

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: My current backend is a "Compaq Professional Workstation AP550", dual PIII 866, kinda noisy, but it's in the basement... 3 Sat receivers -> PVR500 + PVR250, and a HD3000 — 760GB LVM (4x200GB).... Works quite well, and seems to out-perform my old Athlon XP1800+ (at least that's what I've percieved)

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Beirdo:

now they said they had technical difficulties and streamed some digeridoo music

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Beirdo:

go, Australian Broadcasting Company

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, the PIIIs are quite nice... esp the tuluatin(sp?) ones

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: that's the AU company..

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Criggie:

jeffa yeah the workstation class machines are good things.

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Beirdo:

I think I'll just have to delete this recording

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Beirdo:

ABC RN :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Criggie: So when I get around to it, I'm hoping the A1800+ will be fast enough to play HDTV 1080i using xvmc... The PIII 1Ghz I have setup is almost fast enough...

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J-e-f-f-A:

status

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J-e-f-f-A:

(wrong screen again...ooops!)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Criggie: ... so I figure the 1800+ should be up to the task..

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Criggie:

heh

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: if you take the old proliant, install the Linux softpaqs as soon as possible, it will seriously save you ears (and probably some power, too)

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Beirdo:

well, I guess that goon show is kaput

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: thx. I probably won't take it as it's pretty slow and big... Now if it were 1Ghz processors, I'd be all over it... (or at least 866's)

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Coder1:

why does my mythTV speed up and slow down, like an old black and white film?

[21:35:22]

meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: well, you can always fleabay that kind of machines for cheap anyways :)

[21:36:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... There's no way to specifiy different deinterlace methods per source id, eh? I wanted to use BOB for HD, and "Kernel" for SDTV... BOB works great for hidef, but not for my SDTV stuff, and the reverse is true for the other way around. Time for an RFE?

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: Yeah, but the thing is 75lbs... Shipping would almost be more than it's worth!

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: (and I've got a basement full of "must put on ebay" items already...) ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I haven't seen that, but maybe you checked off the box in the playback options that says something like "Use video as timebase (experimental)"?

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meushi:

J-e-f-f-A: I was talking about getting off ebay :) currently looking at a lot of 4 nicely populated IBM Netfinity 7100 for 200 ;)

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A: teach the wife to use ebay then look out, your crap will be gone

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J-e-f-f-A:

meushi: Ah, I follow you now... ;-)

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Coder1:

JeffA does that need an x in it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, I know, eh? My issue is that I'm a perfectionist, so it takes me 3–4 hours to list something on ebay. I've got to have lots of details, pics, etc...

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Beirdo:

post it like "Box of random crap" $100

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Beirdo:

then fill it with old floppies

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Beirdo:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I don't know if it will help any — if it has one now, turn it off, and if it doesn't, then try turning it on and see what happens.

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brando1:

I haven't been able to get autolaunch working. I've selected the option for it but when putting in a dvd or cd, no plugin for the disk is brought up, is there something else that needs to be done or is just broken?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah — it amazes me some of the stuff that sells on there... I have an old Sony Video Projector that's worth about $350 and it works perfectly (crt proj, 640x480i max) (yes, interlaced) — And a guy sold a badly broken one for $399... I couldn't believe it – the thing had been dropped and was in pieces!!!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

people are stupid

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I emailed the guy while it still had no bids, and told him he was crazy for asking $399 for it, and that I'd give him $50 + shipping if it didn't sell. (for parts for mine) He replied that he would "keep that in mind"... And then the stupid thing sold... I was beside myself...

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

sucker born every minute

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meushi:

Beirdo: add something vaguely weird about it (like the FSM face) and goldenpalace will prolly spend a fortune on it :)

[21:45:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

yep.

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Coder1:

humm, adjust time strech to 0.9x seems to have made it a bit better

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Beirdo:

0.9x? I routinely use 1.4x :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: That just slows it down, kinda like a pitch control on a tape recorder.

[21:47:28]

Coder1:

well it keeps just going choppy

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Coder1:

my cpu is at 50% on "top"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: what is your capture card?

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Coder1:

twinhan DVB-T bttv chipset

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Coder1:

well bttv driver

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Beirdo:

make sure DMA is on on your drive

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: What format are recording in — and yeah, dma will make a big difference...

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Coder1:

yeah, I wrestled with that earlier, I got it on now. Had to disable "generic IDE support" in the kernel

[21:51:04]

Coder1:

I just selected "Watch TV" so I assume it's in mpeg2 as thats what DVB cards output isn't it?

[21:51:27]

Coder1:

where do you set it up?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: So you've got the right ide drivers now — did you check that dma is indeed enabled?

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Coder1:

ok

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Coder1:

hdparm -d

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Coder1:

/dev/hdd:

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Coder1:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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Beirdo:

good

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Coder1:

/dev/hda:

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Coder1:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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J-e-f-f-A:

how about 32 bit access... is that on too?

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Beirdo:

it will be nearly hopeless without that

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Coder1:

/dev/hda:

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Coder1:

IO_support = 1 (32-bit)

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Coder1:

/dev/hdd:

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Coder1:

IO_support = 1 (32-bit)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1, Beirdo: I'm not sure about DVB cards — you say it's BTTV chipset, so it's basically a framebuffer and your'e encoding in software, right?

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Coder1:

maybe I should compile libmpeg2 from source with -march=athlon

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J-e-f-f-A:

status

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Beirdo:

I think that with DVB it still records in MPEG2, just it's routed through the bttv chip

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Coder1:

I have no idea. i'm running mythtv in X

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Coder1:

maybe I should try runningh it in frame buffer mode.

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Beirdo:

doubt that will help

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Coder1:

I have a crap Geforce2 MX as the TV display card.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(jeeze... wrong window again... the 3rd time I've done that in 20 mins!!)

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Coder1:

I don't know if sound is working yet. maybe thats making it slow.

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Beirdo:

could be, dunno

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Coder1:

i'll plug some speakers in an see if the sound card is actually working

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: How fast is your processor?

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xris:

dvb is an mpeg2 TS signal... the card just extracts the signal from the air (or cable) and saves it to the disk

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Coder1:

I'm running a Athlon MP 2600+

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xris:

Coder1: one or two?

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Coder1:

one

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: What's the BTTV chip — is that only used in a 'framebuffer' mode or something?

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Coder1:

one DVB card and one CPU

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: no clue... maybe it's for pulling non-dvb streams.. like the pchdtv3000 does.

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xris:

or maybe brooktree makes more than just analog-tv chipsets and it's not really bttv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh wait, I'm thinking BT8xx... the one the non-hardware analog tuners have... sorry.. wrong hardware...

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Coder1:

thats what i have bt8xx

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Beirdo:

I think the bttv (BT8xx) chip is just used to route signals or soemthing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: what driver are you using?

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Beirdo:

but it comes in as MPEG2, AFAIK

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abarbaccia:

hello all – anybody here use mythwelcome?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Er, video driver...

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J-e-f-f-A:

abarbaccia: Not me, at least not yet...

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Coder1:

oh I'm using Nvidia one from the nvidia web site

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Coder1:

for my display driver.

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Coder1:

is that what you wanted to know?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: so your xorg.conf has "nvidia" instead of "nv", right? Yeah...

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Coder1:

yep

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I assume you've got lots of ram to compliment ath 2600+...

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Coder1:

well, sound works anyway

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Coder1:

1GB

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J-e-f-f-A:

*that

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meushi:

gnite

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Well, that certainly should be enough... What's the resolution of the broadcasts?

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Coder1:

dunno, how do I find out?

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Coder1:

I had my video card at 800x600, but I lowered it to 640x480

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Jasper:

elllowwww

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Jasper:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: umm... yikes – 640x480? I'd put it up to at 1024x768 --perhaps it's having a hard time scaling down to 640x480? But with a 2600+ you wouldn't think so!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: what's top show when your playing back?

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Coder1:

just a sec, let me shh in

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Coder1:

6916 mythuser 15 0 157m 80m 19m S 49.1 9.1 2:33.03 mythfrontend

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Coder1:

6828 root 15 0 21024 14m 3016 S 1.7 1.7 0:13.15 X

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Coder1:

6662 root 16 0 216m 48m 13m S 1.3 5.5 0:21.46 mythbackend

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Coder1:

maybe if I run mythfrontend as root?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: is that showing that mythfrontend is using 49.1% of your Athlon 2600+?

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Coder1:

yeah, is that bad?

[22:10:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Seems a little high to me, but is this High Definition content?

[22:10:54]

Coder1:

dunno, it's just UK DVB

[22:11:10]

Coder1:

not sure really. I'm a mythtv virgin :/

[22:12:20]

simon_c_home:

Coder1: No, it's not HD content on UK DVB-t

[22:12:50]

Coder1:

i'm going to try at a higer display res

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** FairWitness is now ready to tackly Phase I.05. **

[22:14:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I wonder if perhaps the nvidia 'agp' extentions are off in your xorg.conf?

[22:15:16]

FairWitness:

Should I be able to use some kind of nmap to tell if my mythbackend is listening?

[22:15:33]

Coder1:

I have Option "NvAGP" "1"

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simon_c_home:

The only machine I have problems playing DVB-T programs on is my P3–500Mhz backend. Which plays transcoded stuff fine. But not the standard dvb-t programs.

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Coder1:

I can't run at 1024x768, the screen is white, and when you drop back out of X the terminal goes odd

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simon_c_home:

IIRC, uk DVB-t is a DVD resolution. I can't remember what it is of the top of my head though.

[22:17:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

simon_c_home, Coder1 – yeah that's what's puzzling... Athlon 2600+ 1GB ram, Nvidia gfx, and not able to play a standard DVB broadcast? That's weird...

[22:17:30]

** simon_c_home nods. **

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simon_c_home:

playback is on the same box is it ?

[22:18:00]

simon_c_home:

no network involved ?

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Coder1:

it;s a really crap display card, bought it in 2000/2001 Geforce 2

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xris:

could be flooding the motherboard bandwidth somehow....

[22:18:20]

Coder1:

no, it;s all on the same box

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Did you setup your backend as "localhost" or your IP address?

[22:19:16]

Coder1:

don't know, let me look in the settings

[22:19:38]

simon_c_home:

Coder1: My nvidia is a geforce4, MX. But, I'd have thought it would cope.

[22:20:06]

simon_c_home:

Coder1: Not sure how you would do this, but can you capture some output from teh card directly as an mpeg2 file, and see if mplayer will play that back OK?

[22:20:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

I bought a handful of used Nvidia cards at the last computer show I went to for $5 each...

[22:20:33]

Coder1:

I can do : dvbstream -some options | mplayer -

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Coder1:

and it works fine

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Coder1:

*but* mplayer complains after about 5 mins that it's buffers are overrunning.

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Coder1:

and it quits

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Coder1:

I have localhost as my backend location in the settings

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J-e-f-f-A:

simon_c_home, Coder1: simon — you have the same card, right? Perhaps he's got something setup wrong in mythtv-setup?

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simon_c_home:

My nvidia card is a geforce4, not 2.

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Coder1:

simon_c_home, can you watch DVB directly, i.e "Watch TV"

[22:23:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I was thinking along the lines of the capture card setup though...

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simon_c_home:

I've two in my box. A dvb-t card (which I think is a haupage, and shows up as a conexant card) and a very cheap framegrabber analogue card using bttv

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simon_c_home:

Yeh, I can watch DVB live on any of my decent front ends.

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Coder1:

what sort of CPU usage do you get?

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simon_c_home:

brb

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I'm not sure what else to look at — it might be your NVGF2, but with a A2600+ I whould think that would still work fine...

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Coder1:

aha, I'm reading a thread that says check for commercial flagging. I know I have that on

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Are you outputting to a TV as well over s-video?

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Coder1:

only to a TV

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Coder1:

hummm, it's not choppy anymore

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Coder1:

but still using 50%

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: For a second I though perhaps the video card was the limiter here, but if mplayer works... I dunno --- Hey, that's GOOD NEWS! i susped you'll probably see the 50% usage until you get a 'real' nvidia card... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

*suspect..

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Coder1:

yeah, i'm need to get a cheap one

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Coder1:

thanks for your help tonight :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Here in the US, I got a GF5500 for $39 usd after rebate...

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Coder1:

heh, trying to find one without a fan

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roger55:

my old age laptop cannot play the recorded mpegs over the network, is there some way to transcode livetv on the backend and watch that on a low spec frontend?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: That's cool. I'm glad it's working good now — Hopefully it will continue to do so... (This one doesn't have a fan btw... it gets real hot too!)

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simon_c_home:

I wonder if it was a hard disk limitation ?

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simon_c_home:

Coder1: Some kind of probelm when you're commertial flagging and watching at the same time ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: howl 'old age' are we talking about? cpu? mem? video?

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Coder1:

this is the thread i'm reading:

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Coder1:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 58?page=last

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roger55:

366mhz pentium2 thinkpad 192mb ram

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, ^

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: Is your net card 10mbit or 100mbit?

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, it's wireless 11mbit

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roger55:

which is the main reason it is choppy I think.

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roger55:

half resolution or something would help I guess.

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: — Ok, that's probably most of it... Do you have a 54mbit to try – the thruput on 11mbit is really something like 5 or 6mbit...

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Coder1:

simon_c_home: does your graphics card have an mpeg 2 decoder?

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, no.

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Beirdo:

home time

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Coder1:

J-e-f-f-A: what file system are you using? It says to use XFS or JFS. Apparently problems with reiserfs, which is what i'm using

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: I use mythstreamtv to transcode and stream over the internet. I heard or read somewhere that it was either able to play livetv (but not change the channel), or was planned to support it.

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, I used to have a mythtv setup with an analogue card that used low resolution for livetv and it worked with the same setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: I'm using JFS on my LVM which has all my recordings. 4x200GB UDMA133 drives.

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Coder1:

J-e-f-f-A, I might change my empty drive to JFS

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: Maybe you could setup transcoding jobs? That's something I haven't dove into yet, although I'm starting to look into it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: My OS is on a seperate 18GB scsi drive...

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, I was hoping there was something already built into mythtv to scale the dvb mpegstream down to a lower resolution.

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brando1:

could someone please my question?

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** roger55 pleases the question **

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xris:

oh, mr. (mrs?) question, you are so handsome...

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J-e-f-f-A:

roger55: There may be — I'm in the US, so I can't help you with the dvb part — hopefully somebody else here can though!

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roger55:

J-e-f-f-A, I'm patient ;)

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roger55:

brando1, what's your question?

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brando1:

autoplay. I enabled the option under setup, but upon inserting a dvd or cd, it doesn't pick the right plugin to bring up, or play it. I'm wondering if there is anything else needing to be done, besides checking that one box.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: hehe...

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xris:

brando1: you probably need some kind of notification system installed... not sure what that is, though.

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roger55:

brando1, afaik that needs hal/dbus support, not sure if you have that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

brando1: So you checked the "Monitor cd/dvd drives" option in myth stup?

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Gumby:

does anyone here happen to have a URL for a mythlink script that works with mythtv0.19?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: Nope... What's 'mythlink' do?

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Gumby:

J-e-f-f-A: it creates human readable symlinks to the recorded shows

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: Ah... I hacked one together myself to use with my Mediaplayer...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: It creates symbolic links to /recordings/11002_20060301000000.mpg with a name like "24: Day 5: 5:00–6:00am.mpg" — same thing, right?

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Coder1:

Ah, I don't have XvMC compiled into my MythTV. Apparently this enables Mpeg 2 decoder acceleration used on some Nvidia cards

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: Yeah, but I think XVMC is only on GF4 and later...

[22:51:18]

Gumby:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, same thing

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Coder1:

damn :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: What's the link for the current version? When I get home maybe I can figure out how to make it work with .19...

[22:53:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Coder1: and the OSD overlays are only greyscale with xvmc... something I'm willing to live with, since I like a simple, clean OSD, but many people like colorful osd's...

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Coder1:

humm, well i'm able to copile mythtv ok while watching live tv on mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: just don't do what I did last week... I meant to do a 'rm -f *.mpg' in my mediaplayer link directory, but I was in my myth recordings directory... OUCH 500GB of programs gone in just about 10 seconds... Oh well, live & learn, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: I just googled 'mythlink' and found there are two versions out there — a shell script and a perl script — which one are you (or were you) using?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, xris wrote the perl one

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: kewl. He's a good guy! I'm hoping to learn more PHP and contribute some good stuff to mythweb!

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xris:

mythlink is now dead, too... mythrename replaces it (and yes, it does work in "link" mode with .18)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: kewl... I shall investigate more later tonight when I get home. The script I hacked together basically did a 'batch' creation of links... I'd like to do it 'realtime' with your mythrename script. (or does mythrename rename the actual mpg file without the need for a symbolic link?)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: so it renames the original file, and syncs the db to match? awesome!

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Beirdo:

home

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Are you around now — Does it update the database if you execute it on your recordings directory? It's not clear in the --help output...

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris : (er, I mean if you execute it without the "--link" option)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh well, time to head home...

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Gumby:

hrm, does anyone here know how to make mythbackend log more verbosely?

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FairWitness:

Gumby: mythbackend -v all ?

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FairWitness:

Gumby: Or, if you're viewing the logs in the frontend, press 1–8 to toggle verbosity.

[23:28:02]

FairWitness:

ls

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FairWitness:

woops

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Gumby:

hehe, thx

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Gumby:

I thought -v all was for the frontend

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FairWitness:

Can someone answer why my new knoppmyth frontend can load the recordings table (I can see all recordings by text, but not play them.) However, the logs of the frontend have "could not connect to server 127.0.0.1...which is definetly incorrect?

[23:30:09]

Gumby:

IIRC you have to change the server IP to its actual IP

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FairWitness:

Gumby: I've done that in the knoppmyth setup, and checked this with mythtv-setup. Both are correct.

[23:30:58]

Gumby:

then why is it still showing 127.0.0.1?

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Gumby:

grrrrr

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Gumby:

Starting up as the master server.

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Gumby:

Segmentation fault

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FairWitness:

That's the question. :)

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Gumby:

just lovely

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FairWitness:

Gumby: What disto?

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** Gumby sighs **

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Gumby:

debian

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FairWitness:

And when does it segfault?

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FairWitness:

I.e. on frontend-load, menus, or actual playback?

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Gumby:

when starting the backend

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FairWitness:

The backend? ouch.

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Gumby:

yeah :(

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Gumby:

fresh install too

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FairWitness:

CPU/Video?

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Gumby:

athlon 2500+ geforce mx440

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DartmanX2:

I have the correct conf file for my remote, and irw is picking it up, but I get no response in mythfrontend... do I need to reboot or restart something?

[23:33:18]

FairWitness:

Gumby: Almost identical to my setup.

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FairWitness:

DartmanX2: Do you have irexec running? I know I need two progs running in X...

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FairWitness:

DartmanX2: You need irxevent (if you're not using mythts built-in support) and irexec to run program (ie I have power killall mythfrontend)

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DartmanX2:

it wasn't running... I just started it with no real luck, however

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FairWitness:

irw reports ir codes -> keypresses. irxevent translates ir codes -> X Keystrokes.

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DartmanX2:

irxevent cant open display

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FairWitness:

DartmanX2: You need to run this on the Xserver that myth is running on.

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FairWitness:

There also needs to be a proper file in the mythtv/.lircrc

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DartmanX2:

mythtv/.lircrc exists

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FairWitness:

This file will not be used w/o irxevent.

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FairWitness:

Can you open a console on the xserver that is running the frontend?

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DartmanX2:

yes, hold one

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FairWitness:

I'll do you one better, I'm drinking one now.

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** FairWitness downs one. **

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DartmanX2:

good call

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DartmanX2:

okay, Im running irxevent in a shell, and mythfrontend is running

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FairWitness:

DartmanX2: Myth has "internal" lirc support, but I've never used it.

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DartmanX2:

no luck on the remote

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FairWitness:

ps aux | grep irxevent

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DartmanX2:

as a result of a major battle with the pvr-150 ir blaster, Im running the cvs version of lirc

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FairWitness:

Understood. Run the ps command above to verify it's still running.

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DartmanX2:

its still running

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_0_0_:

I have a matrox g400 and a rainbow runner g card which I'd like to use with mythtv (backend), does anyone know what software I'll need to get the rainbow runner card working? or could someone point me to a guide?

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FairWitness:

Ok, open up a console on the frontend server with the remote. Press some keys and see if the console responds.

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DartmanX2:

open a shell, you mean?

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DartmanX2:

frontend server=backend server, one box

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FairWitness:

Ok, wherever you ran irxevent, make sure that window is open and focused, and press keys on you remote.

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FairWitness:

Let me logout of this knoppmyth and back into my full distro. brb.

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DartmanX2:

Im using knoppmyth actually

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DartmanX2:

no output via irxevent

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FairWitness:

I need a full distro w/web acces....

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: You don't want to use the native one?

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DartmanX2:

i have no idea how to use the native one, actually

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DartmanX2:

i thought lircd had to run as a separate process

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DartmanX2:

that may have been rather dumb of me

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Anduin:

~/.mythtv/lircrc entries with prog of mythtv

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Anduin:

You still need lircd with native (just not irxevent)

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DartmanX2:

I have that file, yes

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: Do the buttons match /etc/lircd.conf?

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DartmanX2:

yes, but are set for a hauppauge AHG-415 remote

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DartmanX2:

it looks like /etc/init.d/lirc points to /etc/lirc/lirc* though

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: try using key names that match your lircd.conf, restart the frontend, and see if it works.

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DartmanX2:

Anduin: nothing

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Anduin:

DartmanX2: pastebin your /etc/lircd.conf and ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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DartmanX2:

Im going to reboot it... maybe knoppmyth's built in stuff will automatically recognize it on a reboot

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FairWtns:

Wow. Windows-world is odd after a long foray.

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Anduin:

Just never leave it.

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FairWtns:

Nah. I'm trying to become a citizen of linux-world. A lot of my health-care is still in windows-world though, so it's taking a while to setup something similar ther.

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DartmanX2:

okay, rebooting didn't help

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DartmanX2:

i was hoping a script would run on startup to solve the problem

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