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Tuesday, April 4th, 2006, 00:17 UTC
[00:17:34] hashbang: kerblimey!
[00:17:37] hashbang: mythburn works!
[00:18:17] hashbang: I have to say, I'm terribly impressed with the overall QA of MythTV and associated software. Congrats to all involved.
[00:19:07] Juski: tell that to all the gentoo users who can't get mythburn to run because mjpegtools segfaults ;-)
[00:19:25] Beirdo: heh
[00:19:39] hashbang: Juski: JFW here, on FC4.
[00:19:46] Beirdo: I'll just tell them the obvious... use a distro without a borked mjpegtools
[00:19:58] Juski: heh
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[00:20:17] Juski: when 0.20 comes out I'll replace gentoo with umbongo
[00:20:58] Juski: maybe. I can live without mythburn. have done so far
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[00:24:27] Juski: time for bed
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[00:26:33] Mersault: I'm trying to get commercial cutting working in mythburn. Does anyone have any experience with this?
[00:29:15] Mersault: I have a recent cvs copy of mythburn (maybe a week old), and the latest copy of project-x. I can successfully burn dvd's, I just want to cut the commercials from them. My captures are .mpg files from a pvr150, and I have cutlists for the episodes I want to burn.
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[00:42:11] JasonX: has anyone here done much with alsa? i.e got alsa to decode/downmix a passed ac3 stream to stereo
[00:43:11] JasonX: I'm trying to use ac3 pass thru to spdif but duplicate the stream and pass it to an ac3 decoder to then go onto the analog outs
[00:44:28] Anduin: Are you aiming for an echo effect?
[00:45:16] JasonX: No i am sending the analog downmix to a rf modulator
[00:47:40] ** simcop2387 can't wait to make a perl daemon for mythtv to display caller ID information from vgetty **
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[01:12:31] dscoular: Mersault: I had to hack the shell scripts to get commercial cutting to work in mythwebburn... the versions of the scripts I had were out of sync with the command line args expected by project-x.
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[01:17:37] Mersault: hmm... I updated Project-X to a still newer version (released on the 30th), and re-installed mythburn, and it says it's going to try and cut the commercials now, so we'll see how it goes...
[01:19:45] dscoular: Mersault: I'm talking about a fairly dated version... a couple of months old now... I had to hack on the command line arguments the shell scripts were attempting to use to invoke project-x...
[01:20:08] dscoular: Mersault: I also had to change the cut file format that the scripts were using to pass the cutlist to project-x.
[01:21:23] dscoular: Mersault: I offered to join the mythwebburn project but never got a response from the sourceforge project owner I emailed.
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[01:33:01] Mersault: dscoular: mmm. well, it seems to working now, but I wont know 'till after this dvd finishes and I can mount it to check it.
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[01:34:57] Mersault: I'm going to have to figure out how to transcode these .mpg's to xvid as well. I know I need to use nuvexport, but I'm going to see if I can set up a script to automatically create a dvd iso every two episodes (hour long shows), and then transcode to xvid. plan is to keep the xvid versions on the hd, and the dvd around just for kicks
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[01:37:23] abarbaccia: hello all, what libraries are needed to compile mythtv with dvd support?
[01:37:58] Anduin: abarbaccia: Nothing that exotic, the main one is in there in .19.
[01:38:22] abarbaccia: Anduin: when i run configure it keeps telling me no its not going to be built
[01:39:26] abarbaccia: Anduin: i think its libdvdnav
[01:39:45] Anduin: abarbaccia: Which myth version?
[01:39:58] abarbaccia: 0.19 — and yes, that was the lib that was missing
[01:40:47] Anduin: In 0.19 that should have been built in.
[01:41:31] abarbaccia: Anduin: the libraries aren't built in -they are a prerequsite
[01:41:36] abarbaccia: or else hte package would be HUGE
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[01:41:58] Anduin: abarbaccia: Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about.
[01:42:23] abarbaccia: hahaha when you go to compile, it'll leave out that code if you dont have the right libraries installed on your system
[01:42:49] abarbaccia: i needs them to build against – like it calls functions from them – if you dont have them, the build wil break – so configure will leave them out and let you compile it- just without that part of code
[01:43:01] abarbaccia: if you open the configure file you'll find a line of code about it
[01:43:32] Anduin: abarbaccia: Yes, a line that no longer exists, I though it happened before 0.19 was release, apparently it did not.
[01:44:02] abarbaccia: Anduin: no, see, that line will ALWAYS exist – without it you can't compile
[01:44:26] Anduin: abarbaccia: Yes, you are right, I yield.
[01:44:28] abarbaccia: if you dont have those libraries, it wont be able to include them in the source, and then you'll get calls to undefined functions
[01:44:38] abarbaccia: just want you to understand how it all works
[01:44:48] Anduin: Tell me more about this undefined functions.
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[01:52:53] abarbaccia: Anduin: its like this
[01:52:56] abarbaccia: you write some code
[01:53:05] abarbaccia: and there are libraries to do a lot of the stuff you want to do
[01:53:14] abarbaccia: in this case, acccess DVD menus and such, read from the DVD
[01:53:21] abarbaccia: instead of u writing the code all over again, you just include the library
[01:53:51] abarbaccia: now when you go to compile, some of that library code is built into your compiled program, but when you go to compile it, if its not there, you'll get an error
[01:53:58] abarbaccia: so its a requirement to build
[01:55:19] Anduin: Fascinating.
[01:55:37] abarbaccia: oh yes, the wonderful world of dependencies
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[02:15:06] AngryElf: doesn't mythfrontend spit out some message about lirc when you start it? w/o -v all
[02:15:18] AngryElf: err, isn't it suppose to, if you've got lirc support compiled in?
[02:23:03] Anduin: AngryElf: No, at least not here.
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[02:32:07] AngryElf: Anduin, do you use lirc with that frontend?
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[02:41:37] AngryElf: what about -v all......does that spit out info about lirc starting up? mine doesn't mention anything about it
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[02:43:49] Anduin: AngryElf: Yes, no.
[02:44:13] AngryElf: er ok, then how do i troubleshoot lirc not working in mythfrontend?
[02:45:53] Anduin: AngryElf: it lirc init failed it would print something (via cerr)
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[02:47:03] Anduin: AngryElf: Have you tried things like not having lircd running and seen an error?
[02:47:13] AngryElf: where is myth looking for the lricrc file?
[02:47:21] AngryElf: the one that converts inputs to myth commands
[02:47:31] Anduin: ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[02:48:06] Anduin: and it converts to keys really (or did)
[02:48:19] AngryElf: and it looks for that when mfe is started?
[02:48:36] Anduin: AngryElf: Yes.
[02:50:03] AngryElf: killing lircd and running mfe produces no errors
[02:51:51] Anduin: AngryElf: Running mythfrontend --version shows using_lirc?
[02:55:08] AngryElf: yup
[02:55:08] AngryElf: :(
[02:56:42] Anduin: debugger time
[02:57:17] AngryElf: nah, it worked before......i'm doing something stupid
[02:58:02] AngryElf: if irw spits out the keys that i've assigned then i dont have to worry about the lircd end of things, yes?
[02:58:08] Anduin: I assume you've irwed as the same user?
[02:58:20] AngryElf: yea, irw and mfe are run by the same user
[02:59:45] Anduin: Yeah, maybe pastebin your lircrc
[03:02:36] AngryElf: http://pastebin.com/639164
[03:02:43] AngryElf: only has a few things in it right now
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[03:04:04] maximus2000: Hi I just recorded a show and transcoded it. However, the commercials are still there. Is there any way to delete the commercials. Could someone point me to a howto, article or wiki?
[03:04:58] AngryElf: http://pastebin.com/639170 /etc/lircd.conf
[03:05:16] AngryElf: maximus2000, as far as i understand it, if you commercial flag first then transcode, the commercials get removed
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[03:05:24] AngryElf: or there's an option to make transcode remove flagged commercials
[03:05:42] AngryElf: but i dont commercial flag.......so read the docs :)
[03:06:18] AngryElf: Anduin pastebin is up there ^^
[03:07:11] Anduin: AngryElf: Yup, I don't see anything wrong.
[03:07:31] bonkkk: Cough, erm...Anybody listening? Then Kon'nichi wa! If you are not in the mood to read to deal with numb chitchat than maybe zap to the last 6 sentences. I'm out here to fix some aspects of my myth-tv setup. I am just overwhelmed by what the whole community has established for the light hearted end users like me (which is to non-technical focussed to even solve the most ridiculous riddles). I'm fro
[03:07:32] bonkkk: m germany in which the tradition of couch potationing is is dangerously popular. So even if my affection for that isn't very big, I am ashamed of my linux-dyslexia, and my gaming-vices (i.e. xp-ness).
[03:07:37] bonkkk: So please show some compassion to a slow-thinking anachronistic vegetarian c64ist. I had previous contacts to linux (debian-woody and suse 9). For this project I collected various spare parts from scrap dealers and eventually an economic pussyfooted gremlin was born. First it was trained with gentoo. He accepted that tactfully, but could not accommodate with gnome, because space on hd was low. He
[03:07:38] bonkkk: yelled for a GUI, and I desperatly quested google. Not knowing of knoppmyth, I hauled a.m.i.c.u.s into our little family, turned off my brain, and kept my index-finger doing all the installation.
[03:07:42] bonkkk: Currently Mythtv is at work and trying to cope with the data of the Terratec cynergy 400 TV-Card, but either the cpu (Pentium III 500 Katmai) is to old timed or my half witted settings are guilty. The proplem is that i don't get timeshift turned off. It's recording everthing i watch and I got a delay of nearly a half-minute. I've switched on the browse-mode in the OSD-settings of the tv-setup, li
[03:07:43] bonkkk: ke hinted somewhere. That is the first hurdle I's like to get. Just viewing live-tv and recording when I command to do so. Even if everything within the setup is nicely localized I am not able to cope with it. The other hangovers can wait.
[03:08:03] phoner: wtf
[03:08:14] AngryElf: that's a /me isn't gonna read any of that
[03:08:22] AngryElf: er..yea
[03:09:02] bonkkk: just the last few things. How to switch off timeshift.
[03:09:27] bonkkk: I know I'm torturring you, sorry.
[03:10:08] Anduin: bonkkk: Myth always records.
[03:10:27] bonkkk: Thx.
[03:11:07] Anduin: bonkkk: and given those machine specs, play with your codec settings, and then start saving for a hardware encoder card (assuming the one you have isn't).
[03:11:46] bonkkk: So I have to use my sound-card input to get synchronized sound. Not the one of my hi-fi?
[03:12:22] Anduin: Uh, yes, of course.
[03:14:34] AngryElf: Anduin, what about the irxevent option?
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[03:15:45] Anduin: AngryElf: It would work, I like native much more personally.
[03:16:13] AngryElf: the syntax for irxevent looks like it'll take me the better part of the night to write up a config though :(
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[03:28:40] bonkkk: @Anduin: I just thought of doing live-tv coupled with email, emu-games and mp3. Anyhow do you have any advise for a good encoder card buy, in case of my greediness taking over? Sorry to interrupt you two again (Just ban or kick me if I am bugging you). And then to something completley different: A while ago I saw a nifty website showing someone assembling a horde of little rs232 ir adapters (78L05
[03:28:40] bonkkk: voltage regulator, ir-receiver and female serial connector). The maintainer had an italian name. Is anyone having a clue if this can be brought into cooperating with mythtv? Do I need LIRC for that?
[03:29:45] Anduin: bonkkk: I can neither kick, nor ban you, if I had that power... well it would go to my head.
[03:30:07] Anduin: bonkkk: PVR150 is generally recommended as a good/cheap card.
[03:30:49] Anduin: bonkkk: And yes, people have used serial ir rx/tx with lirc.
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[03:33:42] monkeyBox: Help! I've re-installed my kernel and now my ivtv drivers won't work. So I try to re-emerge them and I while running configure it gives a warning that CONFIG_VIDE_DECODER is not set, but that option doesn't exist in my kernel!
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[03:36:29] bonkkk: @Anduin: Than I am in favor of your charity, to not beeing an to over-l33tor. You gave me a real push forward. You benefited to the fighters of the couch-potato front.
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[03:38:05] cipher: hey guys
[03:38:51] cipher: I set up a mythtv box with sarge, works great with my crappy tv@nywhere card I got 3 years ago, time to upgrade
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[03:40:05] cipher: I was doing some research, and its time to upgrade
[03:40:44] bonkkk: @monkeyBox: You definitly already saw http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2006-01-03. Some states that the option is hidden as "Add support for additional video chipsets".
[03:41:24] cipher: I found, was recommended three cards-pcHDTV HD-3000 linux card, Hauppauge wintv-pvr 500mce/& 350
[03:42:43] Anduin: cipher: If you are happy with your TV out, the 350 is a waste.
[03:43:13] cipher: and I wanted to support the linux card, but I have a few concerns about hdtv
[03:43:45] cipher: the analog recpt. of the tv@nywhere is garbage, I got it for cheap...knowing that
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[03:45:15] cipher: anyone by chance know if the hd-3000 supports regular broadcasts from the cable co? or is a antenna required?
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[03:50:22] monkeyBox: bonkkk, How am I supposed to set this option if it's "hidden"?
[03:51:32] monkeyBox: bonkkk, at any rate, they're talking about the 2.6 kernel there. I'm using 2.4 :-(
[03:53:30] AngryElf: sigh, if it's not one thing, it's another.....installing ati drivers fixed my dropped frames issue, but now i've got no sound in myth......but i do in the rest of ubuntu?
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[03:53:34] bonkkk: Outch, wait a moment. Thats not the deal. But you're right. Maybe there is a key combination like up-up-double-fire, or you need to patch cheats-2.4.1 or something.
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[04:01:44] monkeyBox: Crap. I'm trying to install IVTV on my gentoo (kernel-2.4) system, And it compiles everything but the package install failes with this: "install: cannot stat `tuner.o': No such file or directory
[04:01:44] monkeyBox: ". Any thoughts on what might be happening here?
[04:02:18] AngryElf: I'm getting "* Your system is not capable of displaying the * full framerate at 1280x1024 resolution. Frames * will be skipped in order to keep the audio and * video in sync.".........since it looks fine, should i not care?
[04:02:40] monkeyBox: Is there any reason why tuner.o wouldn't even try to compile?
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[04:04:47] bonkkk: @monkeyBox: Although I just compiled a kernel once, and I messed up the mkinitrd part, where you have to bind your ide and filesystem modules into the kernel to not crash at boottime, isn't it nonetheless possible to add this CONFIG_VIDEO_DECODER option manually to make.conf?
[04:05:08] bonkkk: Now kill me.
[04:05:32] monkeyBox: bonkkk, Don't you mean .config?
[04:05:44] monkeyBox: or is this an environment variable?
[04:07:00] Anduin: I think it was a guestimate.
[04:07:52] monkeyBox: I'm so screwed. I have tons of shows that were supposed to record tomorrow. And my smart ass had to go and recompile the kernel. Should have left well enough alone.
[04:08:48] Anduin: build new kernels, but save the old, it is a child's rhyme
[04:09:29] monkeyBox: I saved it, but my ivtv modules got overwritten
[04:09:36] monkeyBox: ..or deleted anyways
[04:09:58] Anduin: My 2.4 time capsule is under too much sediment.
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[04:12:00] monkeyBox: Any version of IVTV I try to compile seems to fail for some reason or another.. ARGH
[04:14:01] monkeyBox: I try to compile v. 0.3.8 and I get "ivtv-svnversion.h: No such file or directory
[04:14:01] monkeyBox: "
[04:14:27] monkeyBox: doesn't make sense from a fresh tarball.. what could I be doing wrong here?
[04:14:45] Anduin: Where did you get the tarball?
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[04:19:03] monkeyBox: Anduin, Official ivtv sites
[04:19:05] monkeyBox: Anduin, Official ivtv site
[04:20:04] monkeyBox: ARGH now I was able to compile 0.4.4, but the make install failed because the install script is stupid. It got this error: install -m 0644 /lib/modules/2.4.31-gentoo-r1/kernel/ivtv install: too few arguments
[04:22:19] monkeyBox: What should that command have been to work right I wonder?
[04:22:29] Cardoe: don't use 2.4.x
[04:22:40] Cardoe: use the 0.4.2 ebuild
[04:22:43] Cardoe: rename it to 0.4.4
[04:22:47] Cardoe: and stop being a tard
[04:23:04] Cardoe: any UCLA fans?
[04:24:22] monkeyBox: Cardoe, I would use 0.4.2, but it won't compile
[04:24:32] monkeyBox: ivtv-osd.c: In function `ivtvfb_update_var':
[04:24:32] monkeyBox: ivtv-osd.c:579: error: `itv' undeclared (first use in this function)
[04:24:59] monkeyBox: google turns up squat
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[04:28:09] Cardoe: monkeyBox: stop using 2.4.x
[04:29:01] monkeyBox: Cardoe, I can't.. it will be too much of a pain to upgrade my server.. upgrading the kernel would most likely break stuff
[04:31:19] Cardoe: like what
[04:31:27] Cardoe: tell me what you have on there?
[04:32:03] phar0e: I'd go a step further and not even install anything that could possibly use CPU power or else you put yourself at risk for burning the CPU up
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[04:32:41] jshriver: hi
[04:32:47] phoner: don't do it, I just upgraded my kernel last week and am totally lost
[04:33:19] jshriver: Does anyone know how to properly setup a hauppauge wintv go card? I can't get sound and really need help
[04:35:40] jshriver: anyone on this evening?
[04:36:14] jshriver: hrm.. :(
[04:36:29] jshriver: Better question... does mythtv require mencoder
[04:36:36] phoner: is it different than a pvr-250?
[04:36:38] jshriver: or does it have it's own code for encoding
[04:37:00] monkeyBox: Cardoe, I'm using gentoo and from what I've heard you're better off installing from scratch than to upgrade from a 2.4 to 2.6 system.
[04:37:01] jshriver: phoner: it uses the bttv driver... I had this thing working in my older box. but since I built a new one can't get it working.
[04:37:11] Cardoe: monkeyBox: lame
[04:37:12] eppler: wintv go doesn't have a hardware encoder....i played with a friends and couldn't get sound right myself...
[04:37:20] Cardoe: monkeyBox: I've done it tons of times
[04:37:26] monkeyBox: Cardoe, on gentoo?
[04:37:32] Cardoe: monkeyBox: whois me
[04:37:50] monkeyBox: well well
[04:37:52] jshriver: it use to work fine in my old box...I'm to the point now, where if I use mplayer..
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[04:38:10] jshriver: if I use mplayer w/ the v4l driver I get sound but bad video.. 48x48... if I use v4l2 I get great video but no sound.
[04:38:19] jshriver: dont know if it's a mplayer problem or kernel driver problems
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[04:39:00] mythuser: I'm stuck. I can't figure out what is wrong. If I run a dvd via xine, or playback a video with mplayer, the window manager never gives the focus back to myth when it exits. Does anyone know how to fix this? gnome is the window manager.
[04:39:08] monkeyBox: well. I guess I'm going to try it and pray that everything goes smoothly...
[04:39:17] jshriver: g'luck moneyBox
[04:39:22] jshriver: monkeyBox rather
[04:40:33] ** monkeyBox follows http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/migration-to-2.6.xml for fear he might be "lame" **
[04:41:16] jshriver: wish I could help but I've never used gentoo
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[04:50:26] defaultro: evening everyone
[04:50:31] jshriver: evening
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[04:52:49] phar0e: helo
[04:53:04] defaultro: how's everything?
[04:53:12] phar0e: TS packet errors :<
[04:53:18] defaultro: do you guys change modes on the fly?
[04:53:52] defaultro: what command can we execute to rotate resolutions?
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[04:54:54] phar0e: I don't know of any
[04:55:16] defaultro: but i guess if I do that, it's going to screw up my setting in mytv
[04:55:35] defaultro: i was hoping that when I get my CRT pj, I will set my xorg to 1080i,1080p and 720p
[04:56:13] defaultro: but i did that yesterday using 540p, mythtv was so huge :D LOL
[04:56:28] phar0e: if I sent you a 640x480px image of my cat would you have to change your resolution to see it?
[04:56:36] defaultro: nope
[04:56:52] phar0e: if I sent you some huge 2040x1024 picture would you have to change your resolution?
[04:56:55] defaultro: but it's going to be in the middle wihch is ok
[04:57:04] defaultro: yeah, i won't be able to view the whole thing
[04:57:43] defaultro: but i stil don't know how CRT projector works
[04:57:55] defaultro: i don't know if it changes it size
[04:58:04] phar0e: you can have mythtv be in 1024x768, have perfect sized fonts and still watch 1080i if your monitor can support it
[04:58:13] defaultro: like my CRT rptv now, i have overscan
[04:58:32] defaultro: my nvidia is set to 1920x1080 interlaced now
[04:58:57] defaultro: but was hoping that I can change it on the fly
[04:59:04] laga: morning
[04:59:13] defaultro: like for FOX channel, they always broadcsat 720p
[04:59:23] defaultro: and WTTW 11, it's always 1080i
[04:59:31] phar0e: I'm confused
[04:59:43] defaultro: why?
[05:00:08] phar0e: you're saying if your xorg settings are set to 1024x768 you can't view a 720p or 1080i video properly?
[05:00:15] defaultro: nope
[05:00:19] defaultro: i was not saying that
[05:01:09] defaultro: i was saying that I was hoping that if encoding of the show is set at 720p, I can change to 720p to see how it looks like. It was just for testing. Ishould have been clearer. Sorry
[05:01:29] defaultro: but some people in the forum i was posting says that 720p looks awesome in 960p
[05:01:36] defaultro: prolly even better in 1080p
[05:01:52] ** kormoc blinks **
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[05:01:56] defaultro: hey kormoc
[05:02:01] defaultro: what's up bud?
[05:02:03] kormoc: that doesn't make much sense.
[05:02:07] defaultro: which one?
[05:02:17] kormoc: that 720p would look great in 960p
[05:02:22] defaultro: yeah
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[05:02:27] kormoc: given, it's the same signal, just stretched
[05:02:35] kormoc: but in anycase, how have you been?
[05:02:40] phar0e: yeah I swore mythtv/mplayer all just passed the video directly to the Xv extension so it displays in its native resolution, no need to change xorg settings for each video
[05:03:11] defaultro: i'm doing ok now, i worked for about a month at home due to my right eye problem
[05:03:16] defaultro: it was my first day today
[05:03:23] defaultro: a vein ruptured internally
[05:03:30] kormoc: ouch!
[05:03:30] defaultro: a fluid was leaking
[05:03:40] defaultro: doctor said, i was so stressed
[05:03:49] defaultro: am glad that eye is back to 20/20
[05:03:56] kormoc: yeah, good to hear
[05:04:03] defaultro: i had flouresine shots
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[05:04:12] defaultro: to see where the leak is coming from
[05:04:31] defaultro: it was horrible about 3 weeks ago, gray circle spot on right eye was blocking my vision
[05:05:18] defaultro: do mchou still log in here?
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[05:05:28] Anduin: defaultro: Yes.
[05:05:30] defaultro: oh, mchou is there
[05:05:30] kormoc: yeah
[05:05:39] defaultro: ok
[05:05:52] defaultro: do you watch 24?
[05:06:14] phar0e: do not ruin it please
[05:06:19] phar0e: haven't watched it tonight yet
[05:10:46] defaultro: oh ok
[05:10:47] defaultro: LD
[05:10:48] defaultro: :D
[05:11:17] phar0e: it's my favorite show
[05:16:00] defaultro: :D
[05:16:32] defaultro: actually, what happened was, the vice president allowed Dr house to take over CTU
[05:16:48] defaultro: :P
[05:18:35] defaultro: hey guys, what wireless keyboard do you recommend? I want something that can go beyond 20ft
[05:18:36] EruditeHermit: hey, I get crackling audio with mythtv using line in
[05:18:41] EruditeHermit: can anyone help?
[05:21:24] kormoc: EruditeHermit, turn down the capture volume
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[05:27:51] saqo: hi can someone help me install myth tv
[05:28:35] Agrajag-: i think the people who wrote all the documentation probably could
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[05:29:09] kormoc: saqo, sure, you can go to the mythtv website and read the documentation and then ask us if you have any other questions not covered in the documents
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[05:30:30] saqo: i downloaded mythtv and there is no exe there
[05:30:40] saqo: and im tring to read the forums now
[05:30:44] kormoc: saqo, of course not
[05:30:51] saqo: :(
[05:30:58] saqo: that be reall easy
[05:31:01] kormoc: saqo, first of all, it's a linux program, and the site has source code
[05:31:10] saqo: o
[05:31:18] saqo: i cant install that on xp?
[05:31:22] kormoc: saqo, no
[05:31:27] saqo: :(
[05:31:35] saqo: i just got a hdtv wonder for nothing
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[05:31:53] kormoc: there's gdpvr iirc
[05:31:57] kormoc: that will work under linux
[05:31:59] kormoc: erm
[05:32:00] kormoc: windows
[05:32:06] saqo: lol
[05:32:48] saqo: this damn card is not even picking up any hd signals
[05:32:57] saqo: i even took it outsite and nothing
[05:33:01] saqo: wheni scan for it
[05:33:07] kormoc: you have a antenna for it?
[05:33:19] saqo: yah it comes with one
[05:33:27] saqo: i dont konw why im not picking any at all
[05:33:55] kormoc: saqo, http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx
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[05:37:18] saqo: oh man i have to get a outdoor antenna
[05:37:58] saqo: i just spend 130doller and i get no signal damn
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[05:39:22] EruditeHermit: kormoc: that doesn't help
[05:39:49] kormoc: EruditeHermit, you sure it's just not the input that's bad?
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[05:40:40] EruditeHermit: kormoc: it plays without any crackling on tvtime
[05:41:00] kormoc: it perhaps your pcm or master volume set too high?
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[05:44:59] EruditeHermit: kormoc: figured it out
[05:45:05] EruditeHermit: kormoc: I reduced the quality of the video
[05:45:13] EruditeHermit: kormoc: and it stopped crackling
[05:45:19] EruditeHermit: kormoc: I don't understand why
[05:45:43] kormoc: odd
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[05:46:01] kormoc: but glad it's working
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[05:47:47] EruditeHermit: kormoc: would you recommend anything to get higher quality video without more CPU usage?
[05:48:04] kormoc: EruditeHermit, a pvr 150 would be the way to go
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[05:49:32] EruditeHermit: kormoc: well I mean for optimising a software card
[05:49:46] kormoc: there isn't a way, sorry
[05:50:19] EruditeHermit: is it better to have a high bitrate and low mpeg quality
[05:50:23] EruditeHermit: or vice versa
[05:50:41] EruditeHermit: low resolution high bitrate
[05:50:47] EruditeHermit: high resolution low bitrate
[05:50:47] kormoc: it's usually better to have a balance
[05:51:19] kormoc: I tended to do 240x320 or so, at a decent bitrate and it was fine for me
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[05:51:43] Kleptophobiac: anybody running recent SVN and having trouble with lack of "mute" or "f9" recognition?
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[05:53:50] aluicious: can anyone help me with some tv out issues using an nvidia card?
[05:54:12] aluicious: i need to adjust my screens geometry (the sides are curved and the screen is a bit rotated)
[05:55:20] aluicious: or maybe even point me in a better direction? i dont know if this is an xorg.conf thing or an nvidia thing...
[05:56:24] Kleptophobiac: those are things your TV needs to fix... not really the graphics card
[05:56:29] Kleptophobiac: you may want to try the nvidia-settings utility
[05:56:34] Kleptophobiac: but i doubt it will be of much help
[05:56:44] Kleptophobiac: look for a way to enter a "service menu" on your tv to fiddle with real controls
[05:56:51] Kleptophobiac: just be sure to know what you're doing first :)
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[05:57:51] aluicious: the tv works fine with all other inputs – its only when i use composite out from the myth box that i get weird distortions – should i still be looking to adjust the tv settings?
[06:02:57] Kleptophobiac: it could be that you're running out of ideal timings on the tv
[06:03:11] Kleptophobiac: try to set your modelines to simulate NTSC/PAL rather than a video mode like 640x480
[06:03:18] Kleptophobiac: and be sure to turn up the overscan
[06:03:53] aluicious: ive got the overscan turned up – but the screen still bulges out on the sides and is slightly rotated
[06:04:07] aluicious: would xrandr be useful at all? im reading about it right now...
[06:04:18] Kleptophobiac: it might be useful for tinkering quickly
[06:04:24] Kleptophobiac: instead of editing the files and restarting X all the time
[06:05:13] aluicious: ill try out the modeline thing first – would you happen to know a good place to find out where to set them up to simulate NTSC?
[06:05:22] Kleptophobiac: uhm
[06:05:39] Kleptophobiac: there are a bunch of modeline generators out there that have NTSC/HDTV/PAL/etcetc modelines predefined
[06:06:04] Kleptophobiac: http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html
[06:06:15] aluicious: thanks a lot
[06:06:25] Kleptophobiac: sure
[06:06:46] Kleptophobiac: anyway, i'm sick of mucking around with lirc and myth... i think i'm going to bed
[06:07:02] Kleptophobiac: btw
[06:07:05] Kleptophobiac: does your mute button work?
[06:07:33] aluicious: i can check right now – whats the mute button?
[06:07:34] aluicious: m?
[06:07:40] aluicious: no – m is menu...
[06:07:43] Kleptophobiac: F9
[06:08:08] aluicious: Notorious, it doesnt
[06:08:23] aluicious: haha – "no, it doesnt"
[06:08:26] Kleptophobiac: but nromal volume buttons work?
[06:08:33] Kleptophobiac: F10 and F11?
[06:08:38] aluicious: yep
[06:08:46] Kleptophobiac: guess that's a bug in myth...
[06:08:50] aluicious: oh – let me check
[06:08:57] aluicious: i use [ and ]]
[06:09:02] Kleptophobiac: ah
[06:09:12] aluicious: f10 and f11 work also
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[06:11:38] Kleptophobiac: do you define your own keybindings?
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[06:15:32] EruditeHermit: hey, to use lirc, does it need to be configured in xorg.conf?
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[06:19:11] aluicious: i havent defined anything – this is basically a fresh install
[06:19:31] aluicious: i erased and reinstalled when .19 came out – default key bindings
[06:20:06] aluicious: havent set up lirc yet but i do recall having to do something in modprobe – dont think i did anything in xorg.conf though
[06:23:09] kormoc: EruditeHermit, no, it gets defined in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
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[06:29:06] EruditeHermit: when starting lircd I get lircdDriver 'default' not supported
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[06:29:16] EruditeHermit: Supported drivers: null
[06:29:30] EruditeHermit: how do I add things to it?
[06:29:38] kormoc: you would need to compile the correct lirc driver
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[06:30:14] EruditeHermit: kormoc: I think I did
[06:30:22] EruditeHermit: kormoc: what is the name for the module that I need to load?
[06:30:43] kormoc: donno, depends on the driver
[06:31:00] EruditeHermit: I am using the hauppage option
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[06:38:12] Netslayer: i'm streaming hdtv over firewire right now for my broadcast stations. However since adelphia blocks any of my digital package over firewire I need to use an analog bttv card for the rest. This means that I have two datasources (customized hdtv/non) on two cards (firewire/analog) and one cable box...any ideas on how I can make myth not try to record on both simutaneously?
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[06:47:28] EruditeHermit: kormoc: do you know if you need the same version of the lirc userspace tools and kernel module?
[06:47:33] EruditeHermit: or can you mix and match them?
[06:47:43] kormoc: should be the same
[06:47:48] EruditeHermit: ahhh
[06:48:05] EruditeHermit: I can't compile the 0.7.2 on my machine
[06:48:28] EruditeHermit: 0.8.0compiles but my distro userspace tools are 0.7.2
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[06:55:02] Kelerion: morning all
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[07:04:23] ** Kelerion prepares for a depressing day **
[07:04:42] Kelerion: am under strict instructions to have MCE installed by the end of the day
[07:05:00] Anduin: It is easy.
[07:05:35] Kelerion: I made the mistake of letting my wife see a demo of it in PC World yesterday
[07:05:51] Kelerion: she was impressed and wants to give it a go for a week
[07:06:16] Anduin: You should have shown her it when it only supported one tuner.
[07:06:33] Kelerion: we only use one tuner.. and still get behind on our recordings
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[07:07:29] dtm: Kelerion: i dont want to get drastic, but requirement to install M$ software could be constituted as a breach of marital vows/contract
[07:07:41] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[07:07:43] dtm: i don't see any requirement to comply
[07:08:03] Anduin: MythCenter is nice and blue, it is a nice compromise.
[07:08:04] Kelerion: I agreed on the strict understanding that I could keep it in my office
[07:08:43] Kelerion: she likes the interface and thinks it looks *nicer* (ie, animations) when she shows off to her friends
[07:09:38] Kelerion: I can't believe it though.. I was reading up on it last night and it's not even *really* designed for other computers XP pc's to be able to view its recordings.. its doable but not nicely
[07:10:46] Kelerion: anyways.. I agreed to give it a go for a week and then take a review.. but I suspect she'll want to go back to myth when it starts screwing up the scheduling
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[07:11:34] dtm: Gentlemen, we've got a marriage to save.
[07:11:41] dtm: Kelerion: what's the problem with your mythtv
[07:11:52] Kelerion: I don't have a problem with my mythtv! lol
[07:12:05] Kelerion: it runs wonderfully
[07:12:06] hijjt: I actually have a little problem with my mythtv
[07:12:20] Anduin: It will have animations, one day.
[07:12:28] hijjt: I broke the program table, and now it won't recreate
[07:12:49] Anduin: hijjt: How did you break it?
[07:13:12] Kelerion: I know.. I told her that.. and it's not a big deal to me.. I like being able to really quickly navigate through the menus
[07:13:33] hijjt: Anduin, I deleted it because it was giving me a 145 error, and figured since mythtv-setup created it in the first place it would do it again
[07:14:01] hijjt: Anduin, this however didn't happen even after I deleted the ~/.mythtv dir and tried setting up again...
[07:14:06] Anduin: hijjt: mythtv-setup doesn't really create the table, did you delete the table or the data?
[07:14:16] hijjt: Anduin, the table
[07:14:38] Anduin: hijjt: Yeah, so, any other data you care about in that database?
[07:14:48] hijjt: Anduin, yeah most of it
[07:15:13] mchou: Kelerion: sigh, that's just so worthless
[07:15:17] Anduin: hijjt: Back it up, drop the database, let myth recreate it, restore. *fun*
[07:15:58] hijjt: Anduin, isn't there a fun sql file stored somewhere I can just run to magically get it back?
[07:16:09] Kelerion: mchou: it's ok.. I have a plan to sabotage MCE.. lol
[07:16:25] Anduin: hijjt: You could make one, but not, the DB is made from some base tables and a lot of incremental updates.
[07:16:30] Kelerion: I'll have my myth back within a week :P
[07:16:31] Anduin: er no
[07:17:18] hijjt: Anduin, of course I had to break the hard one to fix, considering it has over 20 fields
[07:18:41] Anduin: hijjt: You could try to get someone who has a backup to paste it.
[07:18:59] Kelerion: http://pastebin.com/639425
[07:19:16] Kelerion: thats from a svn install
[07:19:32] hijjt: oh that is flippin awesome
[07:19:54] Anduin: sure, be faster
[07:20:06] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[07:20:14] hijjt: Query took 0.0338 sec
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[07:22:14] hijjt: yay problem solved Thanks :)
[07:23:15] Kelerion: np
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[08:19:30] stuarta: d64: I have a patch for 0.19 for you to test...
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[09:00:14] d64: stuarta: do you know how to incorporate a local patch into the ebuild?
[09:02:42] stuarta: no. but do you have an option to get it to extract the source, before you build it?
[09:03:19] stuarta: in debian, I can apt-get source package, then do what I want before building.
[09:04:00] d64: yeah.. in gentoo you have the original source package and then in separate files all the various patches
[09:04:11] d64: probably it will not be too difficult to add one
[09:04:23] d64: stuarta: can you send it to d64@id00.net for example?
[09:04:40] stuarta: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1603
[09:06:00] stuarta: I'm currently running it under valgrind to see if I can pick up anything.
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[09:07:10] d64: well
[09:07:17] d64: i can only try this when i get home in six hours or so
[09:07:30] d64: funny enough the reporter of that bug is also from finland
[09:08:12] stuarta: okay then. will see how my local analysis goes, be good to get feedback from you guys
[09:10:11] stuarta: I'll be on here this evening if you need help
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[09:25:05] hashbang: morning all
[09:25:16] laga: morning hashbang :)
[09:27:02] hashbang: anyone got any insight into NVIDIA WAIT messages, and their cause? They accompany a failure to animate Xv-scaled video. The most common way of fixing it is to kill X, rmmod nvidia, modprobe nvidia then restart X. Typically, it fails on the first boot, but starts working after one or more cycle of the above.
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[09:37:17] lngndvs: I am still struggling with Plextor TV402U and Gentoo. I mentioned corrupt video output. Either blue and black blotches, on a dark ground, random, moving; or Green screen, or squares random seeming, or vertical stripes.
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[09:40:51] lngndvs: I re-emerged qt, then re-emerged mysql (deleting all files associated with it), went through the install again. Now I get a pink screen with a few bluish squares, and an occassional flash of blue. Even when unplugged!
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[09:50:27] lngndvs: nothing here, I guess.
[09:51:01] lngndvs: I'll wait a while. Meanwhile the gorecord application is recording ok.
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[11:15:57] Juski: afternoon
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[11:25:21] ** Kelerion thwaps himself **
[11:25:41] Kelerion: finally (after about 6 months) figured out why I can't find my silverstone case on their website
[11:25:45] Juski: nice. self flaggellation... what for, mr K? ;-)
[11:26:02] Kelerion: it's a coolermaster case :)
[11:26:06] Juski: lol
[11:26:22] Kelerion: am not having a good day Juski..
[11:26:30] Kelerion: I made a terrible mistake yesterday
[11:26:31] Juski: sounds like it
[11:26:40] Kelerion: I let my wife see a demo of MCE
[11:26:47] Juski: oh god
[11:27:19] Kelerion: she's insisting I install it.. so have relented on the stipulation I can still run it in my office
[11:27:38] Juski: sure it might look prettier, but it doesn't come as ugly as having to reboot every day,
[11:27:39] dtm: Kelerion: but you're going to sabotage it, right?
[11:27:40] Kelerion: so I'm installing MCE as we speak.. and thinking up ways to sabotage it so she wants to go back to myth :)
[11:27:52] dtm: Kelerion: what's wrong with mythtv
[11:28:20] Kelerion: nothing is wrong with mythtv.. she thinks MCE is prettier and she likes to show things off to her friends.. lol
[11:28:27] Juski: my wife doesn't care what I use, so long as it works
[11:28:43] Juski: damn MCE's eye candy
[11:28:45] Kelerion: thats what my wife used to tell me.. until yesterday
[11:28:49] dtm: Kelerion: w t f
[11:29:12] dtm: Kelerion: okay so then is the question..... <voice type="phil_hartman"> what... were youuuuuu...... thinking? </voice>
[11:29:32] Kelerion: wait till she finds out she can't watch her programs in the bedroom... that'll fix it all
[11:29:44] Kelerion: until she finds out about these stupid MCE Extender devices
[11:29:48] Juski: Kelerion: an alternative would be to quickly gen up on opengl UIs & help Isaac bash out a blingy type UI ASAP
[11:30:04] Kelerion: "quickly"??
[11:30:07] dtm: Kelerion: also, an alternative would be "no."
[11:30:35] Juski: how about "but deary, we can't afford it"
[11:31:04] dtm: yeah! or, "No."
[11:31:17] Kelerion: it's ok.. I reckon I'll have it back in a week
[11:31:21] dtm: notice the 'period' there.
[11:31:22] Juski: and just for the record – MCE extenders don't have the eye candy of the main MCE stuff
[11:31:30] Kelerion: they don't?
[11:31:41] dtm: Kelerion: you could, optionally, verbally pronounce the word "period".
[11:31:46] Kelerion: oh... of course they won't.. they are netgear made
[11:31:49] dtm: if it remains in any way unclear
[11:31:58] dtm: Kelerion: "irc won't let me"
[11:31:59] Juski: PC Pro described em as 'slow' and 'clunky'
[11:32:00] Kelerion: dtm: it doesn't work that way with my wife
[11:32:08] dtm: oic
[11:32:17] Kelerion: she threatens me with removal of favors :P
[11:32:30] dtm: leverage.
[11:32:36] Kelerion: damn them pesky women
[11:32:42] dtm: the funny thing about favors is that they tend to be mutual.
[11:32:47] Juski: the ultimate persuasive force...
[11:33:20] Juski: what's the difference between a man & a vibrator? Vibrators can't set up your PVR...
[11:33:34] dtm: :-o
[11:33:51] Kelerion: lol
[11:33:56] Juski: works both ways :-)
[11:34:10] mchou: Kelerion: I feel sorry for ya
[11:34:16] dtm: me too.
[11:34:37] mchou: Kelerion: how you going to fool your wife is beyond me
[11:34:42] Juski: I feel sorry for her too – when she has all her mates around & MCE crashes...
[11:34:44] dtm: lols.
[11:34:54] Kelerion: am not worried.. she's gonna hate not being able to watch her programs in the bedroom.. so it won't be long and then I'll have my myth back and I can say "Well! I told you so! but don't say I didn't let you try"
[11:35:27] mchou: Kelerion: I dont get it. You actually going to BUY a MCE license??
[11:35:33] Juski: what's that you say? Your show didn't record? Oh no!
[11:36:25] mchou: Kelerion: next thing you know your wife would want you to get xbox360 :)
[11:36:49] Juski: xbox360's MCE extension is pretty nasty by all accounts
[11:36:50] mchou: as the MCE extender
[11:36:51] Kelerion: mchou: she made me get the MCE there and then!
[11:36:56] Kelerion: damn salesman
[11:37:07] Juski: where was that?
[11:37:36] mchou: Kelerion: you dont work for a place that subscribes to NSDN?
[11:37:39] Kelerion: she saw it in PC World.. then we went over to CCL and she saw it there too.. and they give her a demo
[11:37:41] mchou: MSDN*
[11:38:04] Kelerion: mchou: am self-employed.. but I've been looking into getting the Action Pack
[11:38:16] mchou: MCE comes with MSDN. you could have tried it w/o buying :)
[11:38:29] Juski: kelerion: putting something nasty on the box isn't beyond a man of your means ;-)
[11:39:08] mchou: Kelerion: make sure you load up the box with crappy drivers. More BSODs that way :)
[11:39:10] Juski: and if someone was to leave the MCE box's IP address in your router's DMZ... omg
[11:39:31] Kelerion: I did have one plan.. but the oldest version of all the drivers I can find on it.. see if I can make it unstable.. but then I thought "wait! this is windows!" and I think it can do that by itself
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[11:40:09] mchou: Kelerion: so you paid FULL RETAIL on MCE???
[11:40:12] Kelerion: Juski: nice.. didn't think of that..
[11:40:13] dtm: Kelerion: just curious.. would you say your wife lacks a certain sense of self preservation?
[11:40:20] Kelerion: mchou: OEM
[11:40:38] mchou: Kelerion: man, you pussy-whipped :)
[11:40:47] Kelerion: yup.. lol
[11:41:33] Juski: buy a sony CD single & put it in the drive to play it... muhahahahaha
[11:41:48] mchou: actually, not a bad plan
[11:41:59] mchou: root kit helps
[11:42:11] Juski: then install norton antivirus.. that'll slow it down to a crawl
[11:42:17] ** Kelerion laughs **
[11:42:50] Juski: just a thought here: how does MCE get its programme guide anyway?
[11:43:08] mchou: same way that myth does, more or less
[11:43:20] mchou: just not from zap2it
[11:43:27] Juski: so M$ have servers for all that?
[11:43:28] mchou: (in US)
[11:43:37] mchou: Juski: afaik
[11:43:40] mchou: yeah
[11:43:45] dtm: probably from somewhere that's different, for the sake of obfuscation
[11:43:46] Juski: wonder when they're gonna start charging for content then? :-P
[11:44:30] Juski: well Kelerion: let the games begin!
[11:44:41] mchou: naw, epg data is included in the "base price"
[11:45:29] Juski: the base price? it's costing em money to serve it though – I can't see it being free forever, not knowing microsoft
[11:45:36] mchou: Kelerion: you have a mediamvp by any chance?
[11:46:01] mchou: Juski: the cost to them is minimal
[11:46:28] Kelerion: nope.. no mediamvp
[11:46:31] Juski: OMG – apaprently MCE now supports as many as four tuners!
[11:46:35] mchou: Juski: cheaper than running msn
[11:47:08] Juski: the vista stuff does look quite nice though :-/
[11:47:09] Kelerion: ok.. it's installed.. now have to install all the drivers.. and get the resolution sorted out
[11:47:19] Juski: oo that'll be fun
[11:47:26] mchou: Juski: where did you find that? (4 tuner)
[11:47:49] Juski: http://www.pvruk.com/windows_mce/index.html
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[11:47:57] mchou: Kelerion: screw Vista. No DRM for me, thank you
[11:48:19] dtm: mchou: that's what i said about activation in XP, and yet people ate that up
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[11:48:33] dtm: of course i haven't personally had a copy of windows since 3.1
[11:48:46] mchou: dtm: that's cause they didnt have other alternatives at the time
[11:49:14] dtm: my system came with it, and that's how i discovered the monopoly
[11:49:15] mchou: dtm: with linux desktop improving that may change soon even for grandmas
[11:49:50] Juski: I said the vista MCE stuff _looks_ nice – god I wish I could code – I'd totally devote myself to bringing what I see is the only thing 'wrong' with mythtv up to speed
[11:50:10] mchou: I mean these days I dont even know why ppl would want to use windows.
[11:50:20] Juski: mchou: people fear change
[11:50:24] mchou: I mean even solaris would be better
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[11:50:37] mchou: as an alternative
[11:50:39] Juski: how many average Joes have even heard of Linux though
[11:51:30] Juski: jesus.,.. "Update Rollup 2 provides support for up to four TV tuners. US customers will now be able to utilize two NTSC (analog) capture boards and two ATSC (digital) capture boards. This enables personal video recording of two shows at the same time, broadcast as either ATSC digital TV (480p) or high-definition TV (720p/1080i)." as many as that eh?
[11:51:33] mchou: Juski: aside from nasty graphics, what would you like improved in myth?
[11:52:05] Juski: mchou: the only gripe I have is with the user interface – and even then I'm being unfairly picky
[11:52:28] mchou: Juski: speaking for myself only I wish the db lookups wouldbe more responsive
[11:52:37] d64: speaking of improvements.. is there any surefire way of getting a good tvout signal via s-video
[11:52:48] d64: apparently buying an ati card with s-video out is not the way to go
[11:52:56] Juski: PC hardware is capable of so much more than what we do with it in mythtv – as things like MCE highlight
[11:53:09] mchou: d64: why not?
[11:53:13] Juski: thankfully that's now a-changin' ;-)
[11:53:42] mchou: I have an old aiw7500 that's perfectly fine in linux svid out
[11:53:46] d64: mchou: if i switch channels between my stb and mythtv box, the pvr picture has faded colors and lacks sharpness
[11:53:53] d64: mchou: not just a little but a lot
[11:54:06] Juski: d64: how does the desktop look though?
[11:54:09] d64: same
[11:54:23] d64: if you mean, on the tv? it's blurry
[11:54:26] Juski: so adjust the settings of the TV out...
[11:54:31] mchou: d64: I dont know what you mean by faded colors
[11:54:39] d64: mchou: not as .. colorful!
[11:54:45] Juski: faded colors.. lacking saturation by the sound of it
[11:54:49] d64: yeah
[11:54:56] mchou: I dont have any such problems
[11:55:08] Juski: you can tweak stuff like that with the control panel thing
[11:55:15] mchou: must be a problem on your end
[11:55:16] Juski: if the driver allows it
[11:55:27] Juski: might be a poor svideo cable too
[11:55:45] d64: it seems like a decent cable
[11:55:56] Juski: try it on something else.. like a DVD player
[11:55:59] d64: but.. what control panel do you mean, the ati one?
[11:56:29] Juski: d64: I know nvidia drivers can be adjusted.. gamma, hue, saturation etc... so I presume the ATI stuff has that too
[11:56:46] d64: i think i tried the ati control panel program but had some problem with it
[11:57:14] Juski: video card manufacturers haven't always used the best TV out encoders in the world too
[11:57:36] mchou: anyway, ati svid out works just andy for me
[11:57:39] Juski: taking my nvidia fx5200 cards as an example – one has a chrontel encoder while the other uses nvidia's encoder
[11:57:45] mchou: dandy*
[11:57:51] Juski: the chrontel fitted card looks like shite
[11:57:58] d64: mchou: do you have a "real" ati card or other manufacturer?
[11:58:08] mchou: real ati card
[11:58:12] d64: that could help
[11:58:20] mchou: not sapphire or whatever
[11:58:28] Juski: d64: probably a much better way to get svideo for some cards would be to use a VGA scaler..
[11:59:00] d64: do you have any idea if the more expensive cards make any difference when it comes to tv out
[11:59:01] Juski: or, get a TV with VGA/component inputs
[11:59:08] d64: as 3d speed is not an issue here
[11:59:10] Juski: d64: no way of knowing
[11:59:20] d64: juski: that i guess would help, changing tv- but even the current tv is not mine
[11:59:35] mchou: d64: bah, just go bu a fx5200 if you arent happy.
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[11:59:48] Juski: yeh.. it'd be $25 well spent ;-)
[11:59:48] mchou: those thing are around $30 these days
[12:00:13] d64: mchou: fx5200 would always be a manufacturer card.. or
[12:00:22] mchou: we've wasted more time/$ bitching about the ati here
[12:01:14] mchou: d64: nvidia doesnt sell their own cards ever :)
[12:01:30] d64: so i thought
[12:01:32] mchou: it's all oem channel
[12:01:43] Juski: ahh well... see yous later folks...
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[12:01:55] d64: it's hard to find a store here that would even sell real ati cards it seems
[12:02:26] mchou: I really dont think it's a real vs. oem issue
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[12:03:20] mchou: I mean others would have complained too, not just you
[12:03:49] d64: well.. my experience is that people are extremely un-picky about picture and sound quality
[12:04:19] SirPrize: When I run mythfilldatabase, I see the error 'Modification of a read-only value attempted', and it terminates with 0 updates. Any idea what could be happening? Running myth 0.19
[12:05:18] SirPrize: tv_grab_uk_rt is configured correctly, and running that manually does show me the schedule XML. It's just that mythfilldatabase seems to have some issue. :-(
[12:07:49] mchou: d64: bs! http://www.avsforum.com
[12:08:15] mchou: d64: trust me, ppl are picky. look at the htpc forum
[12:08:36] d64: yeah probably mythtv users and such are
[12:09:06] d64: but the average person using a cheap svideo out i can imagine would not notice anything wrong with the picture i'm getting
[12:09:28] d64: this opinion is based on the godawful audio setups people spend money on nowadays
[12:09:58] mchou: d64: lol, the ppl that really cared wouldnt even give time of day to svideo
[12:10:10] mchou: they'd use dvi or some such
[12:10:25] d64: that's why i asked if there was some way (product) to get good picture which would not depend on luck
[12:10:35] mchou: so excuse me while I laugh at your suggestion
[12:11:06] d64: yeah of course a different way to move the signal would be best
[12:11:28] d64: but, would require new tv/some device in between
[12:11:38] mchou: huh??
[12:11:49] mchou: DVI is a TV/monitor interface
[12:12:48] mchou: it's not ur fault you have a crappy tv that takes only svideo/composite
[12:12:54] mchou: our*
[12:13:00] mchou: :)
[12:13:08] d64: i haven't claimed that this is in any way the fault of you or mythtv
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[12:13:39] mchou: no, that's the line the manufacturer of vid cards would use on you :)
[12:14:10] mchou: except they'd be a tad more diplomatic than I in saying it
[12:14:25] mchou: but the end result would be the same
[12:14:30] d64: yeah well i'm not going to buy a tv
[12:14:45] d64: but the running theory is that the svideo signal i'm getting is way worse than would be possible with svideo
[12:14:58] d64: probably the card is to blame
[12:15:14] mchou: d64: well, I just told you why ppl dont give a damn about svideo
[12:15:20] d64: only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a card that would be guaranteed to give good signal
[12:15:35] d64: as juski said, he has two cards, other gives good signal, other bad
[12:15:43] mchou: bullshit
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[12:16:02] mchou: juski doesnt know what he's talking about 80% of the time
[12:16:48] mchou: I'd venture 100% of fx5200 cards use the native nvidia tv encoder
[12:17:08] mchou: cause an extra tv encoder would cosst more money
[12:17:09] d64: well now that's helpful
[12:17:27] d64: and nice to hear because a fx5200 indeed costs almost nothing
[12:17:29] d64: in the scale of things
[12:17:52] mchou: the chrontel chip would add to the cost w/o actually adding any value add
[12:18:38] mchou: he probably was referring to GF4 in the case of chrontel
[12:18:54] mchou: certainly not the fx5200
[12:19:19] d64: there's one thing i could try though.. switch the ati X800 from my desktop into the pvr for a sec
[12:19:25] d64: that would not require many setting changes
[12:19:30] mchou: <=GF4 nvidia did not have native tv encoder
[12:19:55] mchou: which was why other chips were used
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[12:25:15] d64: if i was using the tv more i would probably look into getting as good picture as possible
[12:25:38] d64: but the way i figured this originally was to mostly watch recordings on the desktop
[12:25:52] d64: but since that turned out to be impossible.. i will have to use the tv more
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[12:26:23] d64: at least for now
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[12:27:07] mchou: d64: wtf are you blabbing about?
[12:27:20] mchou: ati card doesnt work on desktop?
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[12:29:18] d64: nono.. my desktop is a windows computer, and i've not had success getting the recordings play back there, before they are transcoded
[12:29:27] d64: and as i've often said here, if i transcode, the dvb subtitles are lost
[12:29:34] mchou: huh???
[12:29:57] mchou: sure they play in windows
[12:30:12] mchou: you have HW encoder then it's mpeg
[12:30:24] d64: only player i've had success with is win32 port of mplayer, but that player doesn't support the dvb subs in the first place
[12:30:29] mchou: mpeg plays in windows just dandy
[12:30:51] mchou: no need to transcode to boot
[12:30:52] d64: yes that's my theory as well
[12:31:36] mchou: so hy are you complaining?
[12:31:39] mchou: why*
[12:31:52] d64: dvds play fine.. mpeg2->mpeg2 transcoded files play fine
[12:31:56] d64: even some recordings play fine
[12:32:09] d64: but most either don't play at all (wmp) or play in the strangest ways (vlc)
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[12:33:17] mchou: well, I dunno what to tell ya. all my vids play in windows just fine
[12:33:38] d64: mchou: are these dvb recordings
[12:34:13] RaYmAn-Bx: d64: not sure if it supports embedded subtitles, but try installing ffdshow if you don't have it already
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[12:35:01] d64: i think i have
[12:35:33] d64: i have tried several different things that should all decode mpeg2 streams fine
[12:36:06] d64: and they do play the dvb stream, after the mpeg2->mpeg2 transcoding has been made, which i understand turns the transport stream into a program stream
[12:36:15] d64: (at least that's what mplayer tells me)
[12:36:33] d64: only not before that.
[12:37:03] hashbang: d64: sure your STB isn't using RGB? RGB>SVideo>Composite.
[12:38:00] d64: hashbang: if by stb you mean the thing we normally use to get dvb signal on the tv, that thing is not in any way connected to the pvr
[12:38:22] d64: hashbang: it has a terratec dvb tuner card that is connected to the antenna (or cable network in this case)
[12:38:46] d64: hashbang: oh oh.. now i get what you are saying :)
[12:38:51] d64: hashbang: yes i'm quite sure
[12:39:50] hashbang: d64: just that that could be why your PVR looks rubbish compared with the STB. Perhaps your STB is using RGB, and your PVR only SVideo or Composite.
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[12:39:55] hashbang: d64: are you in Europe?
[12:40:03] d64: hashbang: the stb is actually connected with scart so the connection should be worse than the svideo cable
[12:40:19] hashbang: d64: naw. RGB scart is better than both Svideo and Composite.
[12:41:03] hashbang: d64: if you're using SCART, build yourself a VGA->RGB scart cable for your PVR.
[12:41:07] d64: hashbang: yes i'm in europe.. anyway i'm pretty sure that the stb is just composite video over scart
[12:41:16] hashbang: d64: most do RGB.
[12:41:50] hashbang: d64: even when they claim they're only outputing CVBS.
[12:41:51] d64: hashbang: can you give any pointers on that cable?
[12:42:02] kayelem: d64: most (probably all) of the Pace ones i worked on while i was there did RGB out of the SCART
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[12:42:35] hashbang: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/ http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/
[12:42:43] kayelem: d64, as well as composite – all the setup did iirc was change the switching voltage to tell the TV which one to use.
[12:43:03] kayelem: Oh, and "Hi" by the way... :)
[12:43:20] hashbang: d64: only downside with VGA->RGB Scart right now is that the 8178 nVidia drivers don't actually program the hardware to output an interlaced signal. Due to be fixed in the next release, apparently.
[12:43:57] hashbang: d64: and many, if not all, ATI drivers have had a bug in Xv for at least the last 4 years that results in double-height scaling.
[12:44:07] kayelem: hashbang, I'm not sure what drivers I'm using atm but I get interlaced from a GeForce4
[12:44:17] d64: hashbang: the sheet for the stb says CVBS. But i'm also pretty darn sure my picture is not as good as svideo would allow
[12:44:36] hashbang: kayelem: really? Have you checked the picture up close? Mine has black scanlines every other line.
[12:44:50] kayelem: hashbang, I've looked at it on a 'scope :)
[12:44:53] hashbang: kayelem: although X has a 768x576 resolution, so the software side is fine.
[12:45:03] hashbang: kayelem: fair 'nuff. :-)
[12:45:31] hashbang: kayelem: I'd be v. interested in hearing what driver rev you're using.
[12:46:12] d64: hashbang: if i had that xv bug with ati, would it not be apparent when i view video with xv? or would it just result in crappy picture
[12:46:21] kayelem: hashbang, I'm actually doing some fairly crazy things with mythtv – involving a bit of hardware hacking and strane X modelines; thought I'd drop in here and join in.
[12:46:44] kayelem: hashbang, I'll find out later, the Myth box is in bits again...
[12:46:45] hashbang: d64: yup, Xv-scaled video would be double height, and only the top half of the picture. The r128 driver in Xorg 6.8.2. has the bug, for instance.
[12:46:59] kayelem: hashbang, it'll be whatever is the latest in gentoo
[12:47:10] hashbang: kayelem: yeah, I'm using the nexusuk VGA->RGB Scart cable with real PAL modelines.
[12:47:20] hashbang: kayelem: 8178 then, probably.
[12:47:27] hashbang: kayelem: it's been out for ~5 months.
[12:48:13] kayelem: hashbang, I'm using an RGB+sync to composite monochrome combiner with 405i/50 modelines and a vintage telly...
[12:48:17] hashbang: kayelem: are you /sure/ the output really is interlaced, and not half resolution with black scanlines in between? Do thin horizontal lines bounce or flicker?
[12:48:45] kayelem: hashbang, oh yeah, I see interlace flicker – it's definitely interlaced.
[12:48:51] hashbang: weird.
[12:49:10] hashbang: I'm using a 440MX with 8178, and I definitely don't get interlaced.
[12:49:19] hashbang: and nVidia have acknowledged that it's a bug.
[12:49:50] hashbang: and I know my cable works, because the Rage128 I tried worked perfectly, with the same modelines, natch.
[12:50:01] hashbang: (bar the Xv scaling issue, obv. :-( )
[12:50:10] kayelem: I think mine's an MSI 4000MX; i need to get the box up and running again. Me and my old TV, 'scope, wires, bits of prototype board etc have been evicted from our front room :-|
[12:50:40] hashbang: wives + wires don't mix, I hear.
[12:51:35] kayelem: hashbang, well, it's the other way round – I'm the female (a mad techy one, and hoarder of obsolete gear though)
[12:52:17] ** hashbang inserts foot into mouth. :-) **
[12:52:21] kayelem: hehe
[12:52:29] hashbang: assumptions, eh?
[12:52:35] hashbang: that'll learn me.
[12:52:55] kayelem: not all geeks are guys... just most geeks ;-)
[12:53:05] hashbang: to be fair, statistically, that assumption is usually fairly safe.
[12:53:13] kayelem: indeed
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[12:54:09] kayelem: I should perhaps say "Hi, I'm Katharine (Kat) from the UK – home of 405-line TV from 1936 to 1985 :)
[12:54:37] haj: hm .. anyone happen to know what "Digital Vibrance Control" is ? in the nvidia drivers.
[12:55:03] kayelem: haj, it seems to do something with the colour saturation
[12:55:39] d64: hashbang: on that nexusuk page it says that on rgb you have separate sync but with scart you have to have composite sync. isn't it possible to output composite sync on many vga cards, using a software setting?
[12:55:50] kayelem: haj, I had a play with it when was using a colour set on the s-video
[12:56:30] kayelem: d64, it is on some, Matrox G550 does, I couldn't get the GeForce4 to do it so built a combiner.
[12:56:41] hashbang: d64: some matrox, some ATI, yes.
[12:56:50] hashbang: d64: see the second link for a cable for those.
[12:57:04] haj: kayelem: hm.. the documentation dosn't say much about it :)
[12:57:49] d64: hashbang: i have a sun gdm something 20 inch screen on a windows pc that requires composite sync.. it has an ati card and "powerstrip"
[12:57:51] hashbang: haj: if you play with the nVidia GUI control tool, you get a slider you can drag and see the effect instantly.
[12:57:58] kayelem: haj, the huge nvidia README? No, it doesn't mention it so I've assumed the card won't do composite sync.
[12:58:36] haj: kayelem: it just says that the option "enables Digital Vibrance Control
[12:58:37] haj: "
[12:58:37] hashbang: kayelem: I didn't find any mention in my searches that nVidia cards were capable of doing comp sync out.
[12:58:38] haj: :)
[12:58:45] haj: hashbang: ah..
[12:59:08] hashbang: haj: personally, I think it sucks for anything but GUIs on TFT screens.
[12:59:21] kayelem: That's what I get on a 405-line TV via RGB-composite mono, then into a modulator plugged in the aerial socket – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/Myth405/20060330-405-TCC.jpg
[12:59:24] haj: weird shit :)
[12:59:35] ** haj disables :) **
[12:59:58] hashbang: kayelem: nice testcard. :-)
[13:00:37] haj: i was just looking at a twinview-setup i did yesterday on my linux workstation/mythbackend/fileserver-tingie :) and i noticed that what i had pasted in had that option :)
[13:00:38] kayelem: hashbang, BBC Test Card C, roughly 1950s vintage :)
[13:00:46] hashbang: kayelem: probably the clearest picture that TV has ever shown. :-)
[13:01:11] kayelem: hashbang, 405-line isn't as bad as you might think :)
[13:01:30] haj: kayelem: do you happen to know if RenderAccel is nice to have enabled?
[13:01:37] hashbang: kayelem: I was thinking more in line with it previously being used with poor quality VHF/UHF RF.
[13:01:53] kayelem: haj, I've not tried turning it on; though it's something I'll try
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[13:02:10] kayelem: hashbang, well, it is going via RF for that screenshot
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[13:02:31] kayelem: hashbang, vision bandwidth is a mere 3MHz
[13:03:27] ** hashbang meant /broadcast/ RF. **
[13:03:31] hashbang: :-)
[13:03:40] kayelem: hashbang, if it wasn't interlaced it'd show up on that screenshot, too
[13:04:12] SirPrize: is there a way I can re-scan the channels using Myth, keeping my existing channels, but automatically adding new channels, without having to manually add individual channels?
[13:04:26] kayelem: hashbang, to be fair, the BBC radiated pretty good quality; about as good as my modulator.
[13:04:48] hashbang: kayelem: if you see me on again, once you've got the box back together again, please tell me what driver rev. you're using. :-)
[13:05:01] hashbang: (assuming nv haven't fixed it by then)
[13:05:02] haj: kayelem: it's funny how much faster this Geforce 5200 FX is compared to my old G450.. and the 2D looks nice enough also.. :)
[13:05:03] kayelem: hashbang, ok, will do :)
[13:05:31] hashbang: kayelem: ta.
[13:07:21] kayelem: I should get back to clearing a space in the junk for it all; I'll lurk around in here though
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[13:14:29] kayelem: hashbang, just thinking; if the electronics combining H and V sync from the VGA output isn't producing decent composite sync then you might lose interlace (successive fields overlap completely) or get line-pairing (where they're not interlaced properly)
[13:15:04] kayelem: hashbang, I'm XORing my syncs with an 74LS86 before they're passed on to my sync-insertion stage.
[13:15:28] hashbang: kayelem: well, I used the same cable with a R128 and the same modelines, and I got interlaced mode just fine.
[13:16:01] hashbang: kayelem: and, like I say, nVidia acknowledge that it's an 8178 bug.
[13:16:33] hashbang: kayelem: that might be completely compatible with what you'ev just said – I suspect the driver is programming the DAC wrongly.
[13:16:42] kayelem: hashbang, hmm... fair enough... ok, I'll get this lot set up again and double-check my video waveforms for interlace and find out the driver version.
[13:17:11] hashbang: or, of course, my MX440 could be marginal with that circuit, whilst the R128 is within tolerance.
[13:17:33] kayelem: hashbang, I can probably take screenshots of my 'scope with it locked to odd and even fields
[13:17:46] hashbang: it's a shame, because the RGB output quality is great. At least as good as my STB.
[13:18:08] hashbang: thankfully, you don't really notice the missing field from sofa-distance. :-)
[13:18:28] hashbang: it's still better than VHS. :-)
[13:19:25] kayelem: hashbang, it was pretty impressive with my MX4000 on the colour set (RGB->SCART) before I headed back in time. And had interlace flicker on that... :)
[13:22:48] hashbang: kayelem: and, I run X at full PAL (768x576) then position/size the MythTV GUI perfectly for my TV. I let the video run full 768x576, though, for best performance.
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[13:29:11] kayelem: hashbang, same here, 768x576 when I'm on 625; though on 405-line it's 968x378 (!) which is making the UI a bit funky...
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[13:32:58] kayelem: hashbang, video scales perfectly to that mad resolution, though – I'm pretty impressed that mythtv is basically working fine doing something probably not previously considered :)
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[13:49:45] TheFloyd: OK, I've got a fun one for you all
[13:50:01] TheFloyd: dunno if any of you remember my woes with trying to get digital audio/ac3 passthrough working last week
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[13:51:05] TheFloyd: but it wasn't even working with mplayer, so I finally gave up and snatched up the turtle beach/CMI whatever card
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[13:51:34] TheFloyd: dropped that in the box, and with 0 effort mplayer was playing ac3 passthrough like a charm
[13:51:47] TheFloyd: then reconfigured mythtv, and I'm stuck
[13:52:13] TheFloyd: if I turn AC3 passthrough off, I can watch my SD recordings without AC3 audio and my HD recordings with downconverted audio fine
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[13:52:28] TheFloyd: if I turn AC3 passthrough on, I can still watch my SD recordings, but cannot get ac3 audio with my HD recordings
[13:52:39] TheFloyd: after a lot of searching, I tried setting my audio device to ALSA:iec958:AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2
[13:52:52] TheFloyd: that FIXES my AC3 recordings, but now SD recordings won't play audio
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[13:53:03] ** hashbang hands TheFloyd a revolver. **
[13:53:08] TheFloyd: hahaha
[13:53:12] TheFloyd: it's that bad, huh?
[13:53:41] hashbang: well, I've been having similar 'whack-a-mole' problems trying to do real PAL output, with interlacing and Xv.
[13:54:22] TheFloyd: I've seen lots of people with the same woes, and it seems digital audio is completely hit or miss
[13:54:30] TheFloyd: either it works, quickly, easily, and well for people
[13:54:38] TheFloyd: or pretty much not at all after hours of struggling
[13:54:50] TheFloyd: that's why I went out and bought a new sound card.. $29 was a small price to pay for my sanity
[13:55:06] TheFloyd: and well, I did get better results.. before no matter what I did, I couldn't get AC3 streams at all, from any program, period
[13:55:46] TheFloyd: since my recordings are 80% HD/20% (or less) SD, I guess I can live with the current situation
[13:55:56] TheFloyd: but obviously it's annoying
[14:04:00] drdaz__: yikes... I just found this in my dmesg:
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[14:04:15] drdaz__: http://pastebin.com/639896
[14:04:51] drdaz__: looks like one or both of my drives shit themselves
[14:05:14] drdaz__: anybody seen that before?
[14:05:18] stuarta: since it mostly mentions hdb, I'd say hdb is on the way out
[14:05:29] stuarta: backup, backup, backup
[14:05:31] drdaz__: :-|
[14:05:43] drdaz__: hdb is my newest drive
[14:05:45] drdaz__: grrrr
[14:06:02] stuarta: do a few smart tests then
[14:06:06] drdaz__: running now
[14:06:18] drdaz__: I've enabled DMA again
[14:06:23] drdaz__: no errors yet..
[14:06:42] stuarta: unless of course it's the controller....
[14:06:46] drdaz__: lol
[14:06:57] drdaz__: mobo is like a month and a half old
[14:07:26] stuarta: computer parts die young or old, not in midlife....
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[14:07:45] drdaz__: survive damn it!
[14:07:47] drdaz__: :p
[14:07:51] stuarta: then again, it could just be a blip
[14:08:01] ** drdaz__ prays to the blip gods **
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[14:09:56] drdaz: !trout Western Digital
[14:09:57] ** MythLogBot slaps Western Digital with a trout on behalf of drdaz... **
[14:10:11] drdaz: thats a warning...
[14:10:18] drdaz: don't mess with me
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[14:14:25] Deathwish`: someone explain to me "Error tuning to transport" ? :D
[14:14:41] Deathwish`: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2797
[14:15:22] hashbang: drdaz: what kind of mobo is it? Intel? VIA? nVidia?
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[14:17:36] drdaz: ALi
[14:18:31] drdaz: Deathwish`: ALi
[14:18:45] Deathwish`: :O?
[14:18:46] Deathwish`: :D
[14:18:52] drdaz: :)
[14:19:09] Deathwish`: sorry, what now?
[14:19:16] drdaz: lol!
[14:19:19] Deathwish`: lol
[14:19:22] drdaz: totally the wrong person to reply to
[14:19:24] Deathwish`: confused o_O
[14:19:26] Deathwish`: ah
[14:19:32] drdaz: hashbang: ALi
[14:19:34] drdaz: lol
[14:19:36] drdaz: sry about that
[14:20:11] Deathwish`: np
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[14:22:57] drdaz: hashbang, its one of those ever so smart socket 939 ALis with both AGP and PCIE
[14:23:11] drdaz: ASRock 939Dual SataII I believe
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[14:26:16] drdaz: _silence_
[14:26:18] drdaz: :p
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[14:29:27] hashbang: drdaz: could be that the controller's a bit buggy. Not unheard of in AMD-world.
[14:29:47] hashbang: (and/or undocumented and supported by a resultingly buggy driver)
[14:29:54] drdaz: ok
[14:30:06] drdaz: if thats the case I shouldnt worry I take it
[14:30:08] drdaz: ?
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[14:30:29] drdaz: guess it depends on the bug...
[14:30:31] drdaz: heh
[14:30:43] hashbang: and how much you value your data.
[14:30:49] drdaz: :-|
[14:30:54] hashbang: run the SMART long self-test and see how you go.
[14:31:04] drdaz: 10% remaining on that
[14:31:18] drdaz: I'll try running WDs diagnostic tools on them too
[14:31:35] hashbang: those tests are completely autonomous from the controller, so if they fail, it really is the drive.
[14:31:55] hashbang: if they pass, the drive may be OK, or the test may not have picked up the problem.
[14:31:59] drdaz: yeah
[14:32:01] hashbang: IME, though, SMART is useful.
[14:32:26] hashbang: I'm pretty sure all the mfg'er-specific diagnostics just do SMART tests, though conceivably, they understand the results better.
[14:32:38] drdaz: ok?
[14:32:50] drdaz: quite possible I guess
[14:33:02] hashbang: also, of course, if it does test bad, you'll probably need some code from their diagnostic tool in order to obtain an RMA.
[14:33:12] drdaz: yeah
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[14:33:21] hashbang: this is all theoretical, though – I've not had any of my drives in the last 14 years die on me.
[14:33:28] drdaz: wow
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[14:33:38] drdaz: do u like... sell them fast?
[14:33:53] hashbang: a few correctable/remappable bad blocks in recent years, but I put that down to higher densities.
[14:34:22] hashbang: drdaz: not especially. until last week, I still had a drive from mid-98 in active service on my firewall
[14:34:27] d64: i've had a few drives that have seemed like they could be breaking down
[14:34:44] d64: so i've replaced them
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[14:35:05] Kleptophobiac: hey, how do I *successfully* rebind keys from mythweb?
[14:35:13] Kleptophobiac: the settings don't seem to actually take effect
[14:35:14] hashbang: and I have drives from as early as 1992 which still work (sometimes have a bit of stiction though, as they only get spun up once in a blue moon)
[14:35:28] Lathi: ok, i had been planning on getting a pvr-250; but a lightning strike ends up letting me replace my tv with an hd model
[14:35:32] Kleptophobiac: heh, I have a 10MB drive for the late 80's that still runs...
[14:35:43] drdaz: heh
[14:35:49] Lathi: so now i don't have any idea what i want to use for video capture
[14:35:58] moemoe: Kleptophobiac: the 10mb-hdd in my compaq deskpro 80286 is still running, too
[14:35:58] Kleptophobiac: HD5000? fusion5?
[14:36:08] Kleptophobiac: ahh, old computers are wonderful
[14:36:16] drdaz: lol no they arent
[14:36:22] drdaz: thats why we buy new ones
[14:36:23] moemoe: yes, they are great
[14:36:24] Lathi: i assume i'll need to use my cable company's set-top box and capture from that
[14:36:32] Kleptophobiac: drdaz – depends... for some things they're great
[14:36:41] drdaz: :p
[14:36:47] drdaz: knew that'd get a reaction
[14:36:48] Kleptophobiac: i recently built a 22MHz comptuer with 32KB of RAM
[14:36:55] moemoe: but my room is to small for the compaq, the atari and the indy at once
[14:36:55] drdaz: lol really?
[14:36:59] Kleptophobiac: yep
[14:37:04] d64: that was probably not a general purpose desktop computer
[14:37:08] Kleptophobiac: nope
[14:37:09] drdaz: lmao
[14:37:11] Kleptophobiac: microcomputer
[14:37:23] drdaz: just for giggles? or was there a reason?
[14:37:30] d64: engineer students seem to often build such stuff on a course
[14:37:31] Kleptophobiac: part of an electronics project
[14:37:39] drdaz: ahh ok
[14:37:41] Kleptophobiac: but i'm no ee student
[14:37:43] Kleptophobiac: :p
[14:37:54] Kleptophobiac: might be soon though...
[14:38:03] d64: it's funny.. two guys i knew from my previous job mentioned that and how it was so redundant and unnecessary antique
[14:38:12] d64: then a guy i know from sweden was super-excited about it
[14:38:16] Kleptophobiac: heh
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[14:45:14] Kleptophobiac: sooo... let's say i have a remote control, and i want to bind buttons in mythtv to buttons on the remote, but i don't like how several actions have the same button as per the default configuration. how would i go about reassigning them to arbitrary names?
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[14:48:38] drdaz: Kleptophobiac, sounds like a lirc thing
[14:48:49] Kleptophobiac: well, it is... sortof. It's really both
[14:48:53] Kleptophobiac: i want to use lircrc
[14:49:04] Kleptophobiac: to assign my buttons such that they have actions named after the buttons
[14:49:10] Kleptophobiac: instead of after keyboard keystrokes
[14:49:15] Kleptophobiac: so
[14:49:22] Kleptophobiac: button = volup
[14:49:22] Kleptophobiac: config = volup
[14:49:24] Kleptophobiac: instead of
[14:49:27] Kleptophobiac: config = F11
[14:49:30] drdaz: thats what it does pretty much
[14:49:41] Kleptophobiac: yeah
[14:49:48] Kleptophobiac: but i want the arbitrary names like volup instead of F11
[14:49:57] Kleptophobiac: not for cleanliness
[14:49:58] Kleptophobiac: but
[14:50:08] Kleptophobiac: because i want to be able to assign multiple actions to buttons in a more sensible manner
[14:50:16] Kleptophobiac: like pgup and pgdn are used for lots of random things
[14:50:23] Kleptophobiac: and i'd rather reassign them differently
[14:50:36] Kleptophobiac: and when i assign arbitrary names in mythweb
[14:50:39] Kleptophobiac: they don't take effect
[14:52:12] drdaz: lircrc has 'button' and 'config' values
[14:52:26] Kleptophobiac: yes, i know
[14:52:29] Kleptophobiac: and they work
[14:52:35] Kleptophobiac: but, it's not as efficient as I want
[14:52:40] Kleptophobiac: for example
[14:52:41] Kleptophobiac: in mplayer
[14:52:48] Kleptophobiac: you bind buttons to commands rather than keystrokes
[14:52:52] Kleptophobiac: things like volume +10
[14:53:07] Kleptophobiac: and it's cleaner and simpler and more efficient
[14:54:34] ** drdaz shrugs **
[14:54:49] stuarta: bored now
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[15:14:32] armand: man work is boreing today
[15:14:38] armand: anyone entertaining on to pass some time hehe
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[15:23:41] stuarta: you could get enthusiastic & fix bugs :)
[15:25:42] armand: hehe
[15:30:19] Beirdo: or make more
[15:30:29] Beirdo: some people end up doing that when they try to fix em
[15:31:16] stuarta: hows the trout?
[15:31:32] Beirdo: heh
[15:31:42] Beirdo: Work is sooo boring
[15:31:59] Beirdo: I should do my work anyways, but I'm tired of it
[15:32:11] stuarta: i'm lacking focus.
[15:32:16] Beirdo: yup
[15:32:17] armand: i hear that
[15:32:18] laga: stuarta: you running a wm?
[15:32:26] stuarta: always
[15:32:40] laga: stuarta: well, maybe it's a broken attitude then
[15:32:52] stuarta: !trout laga
[15:32:52] ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[15:32:57] Beirdo: heheh
[15:33:04] laga: hehe
[15:33:09] stuarta: hehe
[15:33:14] Beirdo: saw that one coming
[15:33:19] laga: i'm in a shitty, teenage-rebellish mood atm.
[15:33:25] laga: !trout beirdo stuarta
[15:33:25] ** MythLogBot slaps beirdo stuarta with a trout on behalf of laga... **
[15:33:29] laga: o/
[15:33:51] ** Beirdo chucks a wireless mouse at laga **
[15:34:02] stuarta: I've done enough today, had a fight with FC5 & won
[15:34:19] ** laga swallos the mouse without chewing **
[15:34:35] Beirdo: no comment
[15:34:50] johnp1: stuarta: don't suppose you got a dvb card working did you ?
[15:36:14] stuarta: johnp1: what with FC5? or generally?
[15:37:08] johnp1: with FC5
[15:37:37] stuarta: no, wasn't for that purpose, so it was never attempted.
[15:38:00] johnp1: :(
[15:38:39] johnp1: must admit I'm not all that fussed at the moment, but still.
[15:38:51] stuarta: i've come to the conclusion it doesn't like being put on a kickstart server.
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[15:41:27] aluicious: how can i get myth to show the channel names instead of just the channel numbers in the program guide?
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[15:46:18] alex777: in the setup for lirc, when I add the IR blaster
[15:46:39] alex777: which one of the 5 options is the IR Blaster from irblaster.info ?
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[15:58:24] aluicious: my channel names are all "Channel 1" "Channel 2" etc. How can I import all the correct CHANNEL NAMES/CALLSIGNS?
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[16:07:49] Beirdo: !trout Beirdo's disgusting coworker who's eating with his mouth open
[16:07:49] ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo's disgusting coworker who's eating with his mouth open with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[16:08:17] stuarta: that was a mouthful
[16:08:24] Beirdo: guy eats like a damn cow
[16:08:57] Beirdo: maybe I should go to Taco Bell and gas him out
[16:09:18] aluicious: how can i stop mythbackend?
[16:09:22] Beirdo: kill
[16:10:51] Deathwish`: /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[16:10:52] Deathwish`: >
[16:11:09] Beirdo: or that
[16:11:13] Deathwish`: :o
[16:11:21] Deathwish`: got used to using it today ;)
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[16:11:26] stuarta: kill is more theraputic
[16:11:37] Kelerion: "killall -9 mythbackend" :)
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[16:11:49] stuarta: Deathwish': Been testing?
[16:12:03] aluicious: thanks deathwish
[16:12:23] Deathwish`: not so much testing, more frustrating
[16:12:23] Deathwish`: ;)
[16:12:33] stuarta: what way?
[16:12:44] Deathwish`: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2797
[16:13:07] Deathwish`: in that way :(
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[16:13:31] stuarta: dvb-t?
[16:13:33] Deathwish`: yup
[16:13:55] Deathwish`: driving me nuts o_O
[16:14:00] Deathwish`: although thats not hard
[16:14:03] stuarta: just use scan for channels (although you will have to do it multiple times to get all the channels
[16:14:38] Deathwish`: yup, i click on scan for channels
[16:14:49] stuarta: full scan?
[16:14:49] Deathwish`: then it wants a transport
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[16:15:01] Deathwish`: aye full scan
[16:15:19] aluicious: all my channels are called "Channel 1" "Channel 2" etc. How can i get the actual names/callsigns?
[16:15:26] stuarta: don't remember it wanting a transport unless you do a transport scan
[16:15:41] stuarta: aluicious: edit them in myth-setup
[16:16:23] Deathwish`: well it certainly wants a frequency to scan on
[16:16:28] Deathwish`: under Tuning
[16:16:38] aluicious: stuarta – i didnt want you to say that... so if i do go through and name all the channels manually, will they be overwritten when i grab new data?
[16:17:02] johnp1: Deathwish: which version are you using ?
[16:17:37] Deathwish`: 0.18 on KnoppMyth R530.2
[16:17:50] johnp1: ah there you go then :)
[16:17:55] stuarta: ah that makes sense...
[16:17:57] Deathwish`: ? :)
[16:18:05] stuarta: 0.19 is current
[16:18:23] Deathwish`: aye
[16:19:16] johnp1: but anyway, if you go to tuned scan, then put in the appropriate frequencies from a channel.conf ....
[16:19:38] Deathwish`: yers about channel.conf
[16:19:55] johnp1: do you have one ?
[16:20:08] Deathwish`: nope, as apparently my transmittor isn't on the list
[16:20:20] Deathwish`: ho hum
[16:20:26] johnp1: one sec
[16:20:40] Deathwish`: unless it now is in .19
[16:20:47] Deathwish`: which im installing now
[16:21:03] stuarta: won't need the frequency for 0.19
[16:21:12] johnp1: k run full scan under 0.19
[16:21:13] Deathwish`: oh
[16:21:16] Deathwish`: right
[16:21:30] Deathwish`: back in 15 mins then :P
[16:21:35] stuarta: now you understand why I was confused before...
[16:21:41] Deathwish`: aye, sorry :D
[16:21:49] stuarta: np :)
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[16:24:29] alex777: anyone here have experience setting up an IR blaster ?
[16:24:32] alex777: I need some help
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[16:30:48] fozi: stuarta: Do you have a good idea how to store the tuple<onetworkid,transportid,serviceid,eventid>? maybe in a uint64_t?
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[16:31:48] stuarta: fozi: #mythtv? yes, have done it in eitcache...
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[16:46:18] aluicious: certain channels are showing "no dara" in the program guide even though zap2it shows data on their website... is ther ea way to import the correct info?
[16:46:59] aluicious: or might i have a different problem with my setup?
[16:47:13] aluicious: that would be causing certain channels to not grab data?
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[17:10:29] hashbang: xris: heya
[17:10:55] hashbang: xris: I got mythburn working in the end – I needed the CVS version
[17:11:58] ** havoc wants one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628 **
[17:13:23] havoc: $144 doesn't seem too bad
[17:13:36] havoc: $144USD
[17:13:49] hashbang: meh, analogue tuners
[17:14:00] havoc: meh, analog cable :(
[17:14:32] kormoc: analog cable is grand, as it doesn't cost too much, and it works without any issues.
[17:14:41] havoc: exactly
[17:14:48] havoc: we pay more for net access than cable
[17:14:57] havoc: (time warner road runner)
[17:15:14] armand: i used to think there was never anything on tv, until i setup myth
[17:15:24] armand: even with just analog cable, i have way too much tv to watch
[17:15:34] havoc: heh
[17:15:43] hashbang: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/27/revie . . . gy_2400i_dt/ # teh funky, if you have DVB-T and PCI Express
[17:15:56] havoc: I'm trying to get it working for my wife now that she's working nights, 7pm-7am :(
[17:16:02] kormoc: Yeah, but I wish they would play some of the great tv shows... Get Smart... Babylon 5... etc.
[17:16:35] havoc: there's nothing for her to watch at "night" (@ ~07:30)
[17:16:53] armand: yup, myth would be great for her
[17:17:00] hashbang: now that's love. :-)
[17:17:09] armand: my gf doesnt even know what time her shows are on anymore, because we've been useing myth for over a year
[17:17:28] armand: we just notice when new seasons start... 'oh look, house is starting to record again"
[17:17:46] kormoc: House is great
[17:17:50] armand: one of my favorites
[17:18:30] TheFloyd: I nabbed a PVR500 on ebay for $110 or so
[17:18:46] armand: one thing i get aggrevated about sometimes, is that commercial skipping is great.. but sometimes when you skip comms you miss previews for shows that look relaly interesting
[17:18:48] mchou: TheFloyd: umm, what's so great about that?
[17:18:57] havoc: TheFloyd: worth it?
[17:18:58] armand: i actually wind up skimming through commercials to make sure im not missing a show
[17:18:59] fozi: hashbang: afair not yet working under linux
[17:19:00] mchou: That's like normal retail price
[17:19:07] havoc: mchou: dual-tuner
[17:19:15] TheFloyd: mchou- because they were just saying that $144 on newegg was a good price
[17:19:23] mchou: lol
[17:19:23] TheFloyd: so I mentioned that I got one for $34 cheaper
[17:19:30] havoc: you like it?
[17:19:53] havoc: I'd have to put it in a diff machine though
[17:19:57] TheFloyd: I do, however I have a pair of HD tuners grabbing HD off my cable TV and I use them far more
[17:20:14] havoc: 2nd riser won't fit in my shuttle, plus I think it would kick off a bit of heat
[17:20:27] havoc: ah, we only have basic cable anyway :|
[17:21:00] TheFloyd: I believe as long as you have basic cable, you have OTA HD channels as well
[17:21:01] kormoc: TheFloyd, wanna sell it cheap? :P
[17:21:24] havoc: ah
[17:21:38] TheFloyd: I have what they call around here "family cable" — basic cable plus like discovery, etc
[17:21:44] TheFloyd: and I get all the HD goodness
[17:21:51] havoc: yeah, Time Warner calls it "standard"
[17:21:58] havoc: a slight step up from "basic"
[17:22:06] hashbang: fozi: eventually it will be, I'm sure. Still, for now, I'm using 2 PCI Hauppauge DVB-T cards.
[17:22:07] TheFloyd: yeah, same stuff, different name
[17:22:14] havoc: but we don't get any HD, not that it would matter, we have no HD TV
[17:22:28] havoc: TW charges extra for HD
[17:22:34] TheFloyd: I don't have an HD TV either, but HD downconverted on an SDTV looks far better than SD
[17:22:37] havoc: via the Digital Cable
[17:22:44] TheFloyd: and you can't beat the AC3 dolby digital surround
[17:22:57] havoc: don't have that either :|
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[17:23:20] kormoc: Yes! AC3 Dolby Digital Surround out of a pair of $0.99 radio shack special computer speakers from 1971!
[17:23:28] havoc: I just want a digital "VCR" and I'll be happy
[17:23:42] TheFloyd: haha
[17:24:01] havoc: I got the master backend, two slaves, and DD all working already, just a few more kinks to work out
[17:24:06] mchou: I found my pvr500 at local surplus for $55
[17:24:37] havoc: I think some of my issues are related to underpowered CPUs and no onboard MPEG chips
[17:24:44] havoc: mchou: geez, nice :)
[17:25:00] mchou: 150s were $25
[17:25:01] havoc: sadly, no "surplus" store out here in WI
[17:25:34] havoc: but "someday" I'll get one
[17:26:04] kormoc: Today is a good day to die... I mean to get a pvr 500
[17:27:26] ** kormoc has been watching too much startrek lately **
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[17:27:59] Ruis: what distro do most people like to use for a mythtv frontend+backend system?
[17:28:19] kormoc: Fedora or ubuntu are what most people seem to use
[17:28:22] ** havoc is using mandriva cooker + PLF sources **
[17:28:25] TheFloyd: I'm using slackware on my boxes :)
[17:28:26] kormoc: a lot of gentoo and debian folks as well
[17:28:49] kormoc: but the answer to your unspoken question of what distro you should use it, which ever one you know best
[17:28:51] havoc: I even got mythweb working :)
[17:28:58] Ruis: what's the easiest distro to get mythtv running on?
[17:29:10] ** kormoc points Ruis to what he said **
[17:29:12] havoc: Ruis: see kormoc's last statement
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[17:29:21] Ruis: :)
[17:29:44] havoc: whatever you're most comfortable with will be the easiest for you to get *anything* working on
[17:30:19] Ruis: i've used suse and debian. so it's between either of those two.
[17:30:34] Ruis: i'm starting to think it's becoming a dependancy nightmare with debian though.
[17:30:44] kormoc: there's debian packages for it iirc
[17:30:56] Ruis: i tried that. i think the server is down or something.
[17:31:09] ** havoc uses the MIT deb mirror **
[17:31:25] havoc: which is up right now
[17:31:28] mchou: Ruis: what' wrong with Suse? It's a fine distro
[17:31:42] kormoc: it'snot an offical deb package I don't beleive
[17:31:45] Ruis: nothing wrong with suse. i think I may try it.
[17:31:54] mchou: well, maybe except the silly name
[17:31:58] Ruis: heh
[17:32:36] mchou: that's got to be one of the dumbest names for a linux distro
[17:32:54] mchou: mandriva is a very close second
[17:32:57] Ruis: i dunno. ubuntu is pretty bad imo.
[17:33:06] Beirdo: and gentoo
[17:33:10] Ruis: looks like a nice distro though.
[17:33:10] havoc: and "mandriva"
[17:33:17] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:33:19] Beirdo: let's face it, they all suck name-wise
[17:33:21] hashbang: mchou: it comes from the acronym derived from the old company name, in German.
[17:33:34] kormoc: gentoo's a great name, and a funny penguin!
[17:35:22] armand: but if idiots were moths, gentoo would be the lightbulb
[17:35:33] kormoc: armand, ooh? why's that?
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[17:35:41] armand: ever hang out in #gentoo?
[17:35:56] armand: it lowers your iq just idleing there
[17:36:15] mchou: haha! no doubt
[17:36:33] kormoc: no, I avoid #gentoo, but the forums are great, as is bugzilla and the mailing lists
[17:37:49] armand: i have nothing against gentoo personally, just that its userbase is erm, well, pathetic typically
[17:38:33] havoc: mofo, server jsut lost power :(
[17:38:34] armand: there are many exceptions of course
[17:38:45] armand: thats no good :)
[17:40:25] TheFloyd: gentoo: the official distro of ricer nerds
[17:41:14] kormoc: armand, actually, most gentoo users tend to be rather knowledgable, it's just the people who don't know anything tend to get pushed into the open, rather then able to just install it and go, as is the case with other distros
[17:41:23] mchou: TheFloyd: you're giving them too much credit by calling them nerds
[17:41:34] TheFloyd: haha true
[17:41:40] kormoc: TheFloyd, amusingly enough, most gentoo packages strip out the 'ricer' cflags automatically, just to prevent that sort of thing.
[17:42:09] TheFloyd: aww man.. so -Ccoffee_can_muffler is disabled by default?
[17:42:35] TheFloyd: what about -Cbig_meaningless_wing_on_the_trunk_lid?
[17:42:52] laga: for -Omgigosofast, you need to hack your ebuilds
[17:43:31] ** laga is currently googling for quick shift kits, though **
[17:43:54] TheFloyd: have ya'll ever seen http://funroll-loops.org/?
[17:44:08] armand: thats the site
[17:44:16] armand: i was trying to remember the host heh
[17:44:20] armand: thanks :)
[17:44:21] TheFloyd: yeah, I saw it AGES ago.. i couldn't remember either
[17:44:28] TheFloyd: i just plugged "gentoo ricer" into google
[17:44:32] TheFloyd: and it was most helpful
[17:44:32] TheFloyd: :)
[17:44:41] hashbang: -O99 -march=athlonxp -mcpu=athlonxp -funroll-loops -fbreak-code-in-obscure-way
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[17:45:08] ** hashbang has actually been thinking of doing more things with -Osmall, recently **
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[17:46:09] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:46:37] kormoc: the default gentoo cflags is actually -O2 -march= -pipe, and they really recommend that you don't change them :)
[17:48:03] hashbang: kormoc: yup, those are pretty safe bets, if you can't be arsed to do rigorous profiling
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[18:15:42] ** hashbang builds mythburnUI **
[18:15:48] hashbang: this stuff is supercool.
[18:16:33] hashbang: has anyone played with the MHEG stuff yet? Does it work? Does it make MythTV any less reliable?
[18:19:30] ** xris ponders switching from dish to directv **
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[18:22:10] xris: or comcast... that firewire plug is tempting
[18:25:06] meushi: xris: sure is tempting
[18:28:04] xris: meushi: yeah. problem is that comcast is so much more expensive.
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[18:36:42] xris: ooh... $35/month + $5 + $5 for digital with hbo competitive dishnetwork upgrade for comcast....
[18:36:43] ** xris ponders. **
[18:36:49] xris: that's going to be cheaper....
[18:38:06] meushi: xris: that's cheap compared to JSTV
[18:39:04] Mersault: I'm trying out mythburn with project x, and I've noticed something odd. If I burn two hour long episodes (pcr150 capture, so approx 2.2 gig an hour), with commercials cut, disc size is only about 3.3 gigs, and if I burn 3 episodes, disc size is 2.7. Anybody know what's going on? I mean, I was expecting some lost quality due to transcoding, but wouldn't it try and get close to that 4.3 or 4.4 gig mark for th
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[18:42:50] alex777: anyone here use an IR Blaster ?
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[18:44:11] hashbang: Mersault: I think I saw some bug fixes – http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=684700&a . . . ;func=browse
[18:44:26] hashbang: Mersault: e.g. 1355725
[18:44:34] hashbang: and 1381961
[18:44:38] scopeuk: juski you have a look at the menu options thing in knoppmyth vs your skin
[18:45:15] scopeuk: i belive you were downloading not-myth when i went to bed lastnight/this morning
[18:46:02] Mersault: hashbang: I'm using a version of mythburn I got from cvs yesterday, and projectx 0.90.4 or whichever was released on march 30th
[18:46:18] Mersault: so those fixes should certainly be in the versions I'm running
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[18:46:56] Deathwish`: ha, bye bye clone
[18:46:57] Deathwish`: :S
[18:47:16] hashbang: Mersault: check, I bet they're not – usually folks close patches when they've been applied to CVS.
[18:48:43] scopeuk: oops think ive broke my box (yeh old nes i know)
[18:48:52] hashbang: 1355725 isn't in.
[18:49:31] scopeuk: or maby itsj sut myth web i nuked
[18:53:06] Mersault: hashbang: hmmm... about half the hunks failed when I applied that patch
[18:53:56] Mersault: hashbang: I assume the 'makes it work with 0.90.2' patches are in, because my mythburn is working fine with projectx 0.90.4
[18:54:26] Mersault: it cuts commercials properly even. it just doesn't get the filesizes right.
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[18:57:21] Mersault: also, which of the mythburn options are most likely to cause me grief? animated thumbnails? chapter submenu's? I've burned about four discs so far while playing around, and at least one of those two seems to make coasters...
[18:59:39] armand: lol
[18:59:42] hashbang: Mersault: try the estimation patch
[19:00:07] hashbang: Mersault: I had some problems with the menus on the first DVD I burnt, last ngiht
[19:00:25] Mersault: hashbang: trying it now. I've patched and re-installed mythburn. building a three episode dvd right now.
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[19:02:11] xris: meushi: that price is a competitive offer for dish customers. good for one year. still cheaper than my dish setup since I'm ditching my phone line and will have to pay $5 each for the second tuner in each of my receivers.
[19:02:15] Mersault: I've successfully burned a two episode disc with non-animated thumbnails and no chapter submenu's. Turned out pretty well, and the video quality is decent. hopefully with this patch it'll be better
[19:02:46] meushi: xris: JSTV is 50/month for *2* channels... one of which is FTA 50% of the time... talk about swindle :)
[19:07:16] xris: what is jstv?
[19:09:55] meushi: japanese TV for expats in europe
[19:10:10] xris: ok, that's sort of what it looked like.
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[19:11:04] meushi: I'd like to get it for my wife... but no way at that price, she has to do with the FTA part only
[19:11:33] xris: need internet tv for that kind of stuff
[19:12:17] meushi: yeah, I'm getting rakuten off google video...
[19:12:38] meushi: real internet tv isn't gonna take off here before ages
[19:12:53] meushi: they're just playing with 3 feeds... totally overpriced
[19:13:18] meushi: 5/month for MTV, for example
[19:13:53] meushi: and it's WM9, too
[19:14:08] evaded: Hi guys, im new with mythtv, running Debian, i have installed mythtv with synaptic. While installation there was asked to create that user for MySQL, i have give the informations. But now when i start 'myttv' i got many messages of access denied.
[19:15:14] meushi: evaded: did you put the password in mysql.txt?
[19:15:26] xris: evaded: you may still need to create the database and grant permissions
[19:15:41] evaded: meushi: eeuhm, no, i have set no passord there
[19:15:52] kormoc: that could be an issue
[19:16:04] evaded: xris: The database are created, i have verify with phpmyadmin
[19:16:42] xris: evaded: doesn't mean permissions are correct
[19:16:45] evaded: So i thing permission issue, but i'm not good with mysql. I think i forget somethings or dooing somethings bad
[19:17:10] kormoc: evaded, have you tried putting the password in the mysql.txt file?
[19:17:14] evaded: xris: Yes, right, i think that must be are the cause
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[19:17:25] xris: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'
[19:17:30] evaded: kormoc: No, i need to look where i need to do that
[19:17:41] xris: evaded: run mythtv-setup
[19:17:49] evaded: xris: ok
[19:18:05] xris: afk
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[19:21:33] corpix: hi
[19:22:11] Pete_: can I change which codec myth transcodes stuff into?
[19:22:16] corpix: is there a list of mythtvs lirc commands ? like "M" for Menu
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[19:22:37] stuarta: Pete_: yes
[19:22:58] stuarta: and also no
[19:23:28] Pete_: like a limited selection then?
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[19:23:54] stuarta: if you record to mpeg2, then you can go to mpeg2 or mpeg4
[19:24:05] stuarta: otherwise no
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[19:24:10] Pete_: yes, im recording to mpeg2
[19:24:21] Pete_: I currently just get some error when transcoding
[19:24:55] stuarta: such as? (use pastebin.ca if it's more than a few lines)
[19:25:04] Pete_: the backend says : "Unknown video codec:" then transcoding file.mpg failed
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[19:25:33] stuarta: for all the streams in the video???
[19:25:44] Pete_: I think there is only one stream?
[19:26:14] stuarta: can't be. minimum two streams (1 audio, 1 video)
[19:26:26] Pete_: ah, well 2 streams then ;)
[19:27:12] stuarta: it'll say in the backend log when it starts, I have numerous unknown codecs, but the transcoding still works
[19:27:33] Pete_: I just get transcoding failed
[19:27:51] Pete_: in status monitor
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[19:36:40] Pete_: any ideas?
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[19:37:09] stuarta: you need to look in the backend logs. there is more info in there....
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[19:41:43] evaded: xris, meushi, kormoc : I have verify the privileges in phpmyadmin. But i looks that the permisions are right, i have give that user max of right to test it. My error, can i paste it in pastebin or so and show you?
[19:42:04] meushi: evaded: sure, pastebin is good
[19:43:42] evaded: Pastebin'ed at http://pastebin.com/640658
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[19:44:14] evaded: I know really not good the msql command line :-/ so i have try it in phpmyadmin
[19:45:01] evaded: Look's like an permission error. I think i need the msql reference :-?
[19:45:23] meushi: evaded: which mysql version? is the grant on mythtv or mythtv@'localhost.localdomain'?
[19:45:25] corpix: hmm, how to --disable-opengl its not in ./configure
[19:45:29] corpix: ?
[19:45:43] evaded: meushi: How can i know that?
[19:46:14] meushi: evaded: from a shell type 'mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg'
[19:46:43] meushi: evaded: that'll give us a few infos already :)
[19:47:27] Pete_: I can't figure out whats going wrong with transcoding :(
[19:47:35] evaded: meushi: He ask me for the password, i fill it in, then access denied. So that password are not good or so, i try to reset that one or so.
[19:47:50] evaded: ?
[19:48:12] meushi: evaded: try 'mysql -u root' now
[19:48:43] evaded: meushi: access denied
[19:48:55] meushi: evaded: try 'mysql -u root -p' then :)
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[19:49:25] evaded: meushi: Then i need to give an password? And passord for that 'root' user?
[19:49:31] meushi: evaded: yes
[19:50:08] evaded: meushi: done
[19:50:28] meushi: evaded: connected alright? which version is displayed in the banner?
[19:50:47] evaded: meushi: mysql> Look like :-)
[19:50:55] evaded: meushi: I'm new he :-)
[19:51:20] meushi: evaded: a few lines above "Your connection id is ... to server version ..." :)
[19:51:55] evaded: meushi: version: 4.1.11-Debian_4sarge2-log
[19:53:24] eiggirC: YAY I got the imdb script working!
[19:53:34] eiggirC: now if only imdb indexed porn.....
[19:53:39] evaded: I have try again that commando 'mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg' in another console, but it's alway access denied
[19:54:09] evaded: So i think that i need to reset that pasword or so of that user?
[19:54:31] meushi: evaded: ok, type in 'use mysql' return then 'select * from user where User like "myth%"'
[19:54:51] meushi: evaded: forgot the ; at the end of the second query
[19:55:40] meushi: evaded: look at the 3rd column in the result... is it 16 chars returned or more?
[19:56:13] evaded: meushi: I have a problem with ^^, i try to understand where
[19:56:36] evaded: meushi: Whith that querry i guess 'select * from user where User like "myth%"'
[19:56:52] meushi: evaded: yup, one sec :)
[19:56:58] evaded: meushi: ok
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[19:57:12] meushi: evaded: select * from user where user.User like "myth%";
[19:57:13] evaded: meushi: I not know where i need to set that : i think
[19:57:18] meushi: evaded: works :)
[19:57:35] evaded: meushi: Yup :-)
[19:58:35] evaded: meushi: Euhm, im not sure now :-/ ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected
[19:58:49] meushi: evaded: first 'use mysql' :)
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[19:58:56] evaded: meushi: right ^^
[19:59:06] ** meushi patpats evaded **
[19:59:17] evaded: meushi: I know now where i do the stupid things there...
[19:59:57] meushi: evaded: it could possibly be outside your responsability :)
[20:00:19] meushi: evaded: so... the Password field... is the content very long or just 16 chars?
[20:00:26] evaded: meushi: Yes, it's looks beter now, just need to receise the sceen or so
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[20:01:28] evaded: meushi: The culumns i see these not good, the size of the colume are a bit mixed, i not know good how to explain it.
[20:02:21] meushi: evaded: try 'select User, Host, Password from user where User like "myth%";'
[20:02:25] ** evaded need to know the console width :-/ **
[20:02:31] meushi: evaded: it will be easier to read
[20:02:47] evaded: meushi: Right!, done
[20:03:09] evaded: meushi: The password are strange, is that normal?
[20:03:18] evaded: meushi: Is it coded or so?
[20:03:19] meushi: evaded: yeah, they're crypted
[20:04:02] evaded: meushi: hhhmm, so normal i not understand. But what's the password of it? Now i see, i not understand the password
[20:04:19] meushi: evaded: just count the characters in the Password field
[20:04:58] evaded: meushi: Yes ...
[20:05:26] meushi: evaded: does it look like '0476fc026afffe24' or rather like '*592B52760F74E506D8392F06EF002F87628F6975'?
[20:06:07] meushi: evaded: globally, I mean :)
[20:06:19] evaded: meushi: The first example
[20:06:34] evaded: meushi: its 0b94e4340217d520
[20:06:40] meushi: evaded: ok, so it's using the old password format
[20:06:59] evaded: meushi: hhhmm :-/
[20:07:33] meushi: evaded: set password for 'mythtv'@'hostname' = password('your_password');
[20:07:54] meushi: evaded: then do the select again to check if the format changed
[20:08:23] evaded: meushi: If i forget the ';' again ?
[20:08:39] meushi: evaded: just type it in the next line :)
[20:08:43] meushi: evaded: sql is flexible
[20:08:49] evaded: meushi: I receive now again that "'>"
[20:09:02] meushi: evaded: yup, it's waiting for the ;
[20:09:47] evaded: meushi: I have try that ';' at a new line but i'm always in that '>
[20:10:10] corpix: evaded, have you just pasted you mysql password ?
[20:10:29] meushi: corpix: it's ok, I'm getting him to change it :p
[20:10:39] corpix: heh ;)
[20:10:41] evaded: meushi: Lol look http://pastebin.com/640716
[20:10:53] meushi: corpix: needed to know if it was stored in old or new format :)
[20:11:10] evaded: meushi: I try to follow :-)
[20:11:48] meushi: evaded: copy the line exactly as I typed it :)
[20:12:30] meushi: evaded: everything between evaded: and the end of the line
[20:13:00] ** evaded not understant :-/ **
[20:13:04] evaded: oeps
[20:13:24] meushi: evaded: francophone ou neerlandophone?
[20:13:42] evaded: meushi: 1 van de twee is goed :-)
[20:13:58] meushi: evaded: ok, we'll do that off-channel :)
[20:13:59] evaded: meushi: En francais c'est bon aussi :-)
[20:14:21] evaded: meushi: ok
[20:15:05] corpix: meushi, that reminds me of some older chat: http://pastebin.com/640724
[20:16:41] meushi: corpix: I'm not that evil :p
[20:16:48] corpix: hehe
[20:19:12] meushi: never was
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[20:39:24] Pete_: Hmm, although I don't like it I still have windows boxes on this network. Giving winmyth a go as a frontend on those boxes, but all I get when I try to watch live or a recording all I get is a black box where the video should be
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[20:41:42] Pete_: any ideas?
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[20:42:42] atomjack: can anyone give me some lirc help? I'm using an IR receiver from zapway.de, and have lircd started, and loaded lirc_serial, but when I try to start irw it says it can't find /dev/lirc. there is no file there, but there is a /dev/lirc0 – when i tell irw to use that instead of it says connection refused...
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[20:44:05] atomjack: -of
[20:45:29] ** xris grumbles... comcast insisting that their firewire ports are disabled **
[20:45:41] xris: SlicerDicer: what'd you have to do to get yours enabled?
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[20:48:59] ** xris continues to wait on hold **
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[20:50:56] Anduin: atomjack: are you sure lircd is actually running?
[20:51:04] menegme: hello
[20:51:12] menegme: I have a problem upgrading mythtv
[20:51:12] atomjack: lircd (pid 27196) is running...
[20:52:00] atomjack: when i try to run irw, it says it cant find /dev/lirc, and lircd crashes...when i try to run irw /dev/lirc0, it says connection refused
[20:52:22] corpix: atomjack, chmod -R 666 /dev/lirc*
[20:52:27] corpix: then restart lirc
[20:52:48] menegme: I have a breezy ubuntu install, and a dapper ubuntu install. I share the same home. I copied /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg from the breezy to dapper install. when I run the backend I got the Database error Can't create table 'schemalock' (errno: 13)
[20:52:52] kormoc: connection refused is different then permission denied
[20:53:24] atomjack: also, i tried symlinking /dev/lirc0 to /dev/lirc, and now irw runs but it doesnt spit anything out when i press buttons on my remote while pointing at the receiver
[20:53:26] menegme: what I did is probably dirty
[20:53:36] kormoc: atomjack, what distro?
[20:53:40] atomjack: FC3
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[20:54:25] menegme: any help for that ?
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[20:54:37] Pete_: menegme: you probably need all of /var/lib/mysql
[20:54:55] menegme: all ?
[20:54:58] menegme: mmm
[20:55:27] Anduin: atomjack: You probably need to use -d to lircd as well (though the symlink should work too)
[20:55:35] atomjack: also, when modprobing lirc_serial, i get this:
[20:55:35] atomjack: Apr 4 13:55:19 mythbox kernel: lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver
[20:55:47] purplefrog: We just had a chance to play with one of these: http://www.aminocom.com/products/ipstb/aminet124.html : at work. They're pretty cute, and small. All you need is an MPEG transport stream coming over multicast UDP and you're in business. Have any mythtv developers considered using one as a front end?
[20:55:52] atomjack: so it looks like it IS seeing the receiver
[20:56:19] laga: purplefrog: have you searched the mailing lists yet?
[20:56:44] Pete_: that looks quite neat
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[20:57:51] menegme: ok I think that the users id where not matching
[20:58:21] d64: stuarta: ok.. didn't have time to look at the patch today.. perhaps tomorrow
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[20:59:52] purplefrog: A just did a search of the mailing list for the word "amino" or "aminet" and there are no references found by the search engine.
[21:00:10] menegme: Pete_: ok it was the problem, the user id of mysql user where not the same between the two systems
[21:00:42] Pete_: yes
[21:00:48] Pete_: damn you winmyth
[21:01:45] stuarta: d64: no problem.
[21:01:49] menegme: now I have an auth problem
[21:02:01] menegme: when I try to un mythtv as a deamon
[21:02:13] menegme: when I just run mythbackend it works
[21:02:32] atomjack: ok it looks like no program i try (irw, irrecord, mode2) is receiving anything from the reciever..hm
[21:02:43] Pete_: so mythbackend works but mythbackend --daemon doesn't?
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[21:03:46] atomjack: is there a way i can check to see that redhat is actually seeing the receiver properly?
[21:04:11] Pete_: looks like the system isn't finding the codec, can't play it in windoze media player
[21:04:46] menegme: Pete_: it's ok now
[21:04:49] atomjack: it would show up in lspci -v right?
[21:04:58] menegme: Pete_: I removed a lock file in ./record
[21:05:07] Pete_: menegme: ah right
[21:05:08] menegme: and changed some rights on the existing records
[21:05:23] menegme: I don't know what is that nfslock file
[21:05:26] menegme: I don't use nfs
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[21:05:45] Gurft: hullo
[21:06:07] menegme: Pete_: I didn't run mythbackend --daemon but /etc/init.f/mythbackend start
[21:06:07] Anduin: atomjack: Not on the PCI bus.
[21:06:24] Pete_: menegme: which I imagine does the same thing
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[21:06:31] atomjack: oh yeah. hmm, then how can i see if the system sees the receiver?
[21:06:44] atomjack: dmesg?
[21:06:56] d64: any dutch/belgian people here?
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[21:07:25] menegme: Pete_: I guess
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[21:08:30] laga: any users asking meta questions? ;)
[21:08:55] Anduin: atomjack: there is a debug module param to lirc_serial, not sure how much info it would give.
[21:08:57] laga: purplefrog: search for "IPTV". i dunno if there is a standard, though
[21:09:52] purplefrog: Well, we basically told the AmiNET124 to listen to an MPEG transport stream coming from one of the Tandberg 5930s in our rack and it just worked, so it seems like the box handles several kinds of MPEG transport streams.
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[21:10:45] purplefrog: I imagine that the backend could wrap an MPEG2 program stream (like what comes out of a Hauppauge PVR250) in transport packets and hurl it over multicast at the box.
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[21:10:52] purplefrog: The trick would be making pause/rewind/skip work.
[21:11:45] purplefrog: The AmiNET has java on-board, so maybe it could run local software that makes it mythfrontend. That would be tricky.
[21:12:24] Pete_: does anyone here know or use winmyth?
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[21:15:55] RaYmAn-Bx: Pete_: tried and failed. It doesn't seem to work very well (or at all) with recent mythtv's
[21:16:13] atomjack: ok, i'm an idiot, the serial port was disabled in the bios, haha
[21:16:59] Gurft: Is there any kind of file manager that will run on the frontend. I'm using a *quite* cobbled script to get my reencoded files onto my PSP, and it basically just dumps anything thats out there onto the PSP after teh file is mounted
[21:17:04] Gurft: i'd like a way to keep track of such things....
[21:17:12] Pete_: RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, its getting listings etc from the database fine it seems, but the system isn't seeing the video codec so all I get is blank, or a nice undescriptive error in wmp about can't play media if I share over smb from the backend box
[21:18:16] purplefrog: gurft, I would also like the ability to send files to a secondary store (SMB share at my brother's house) so that he can have a copy till he deletes it.
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[21:20:52] Anduin: purplefrog: That isn't what the bug system is for.
[21:21:13] purplefrog: Anduin: perhaps you should remove the Enhancement category then.
[21:21:23] Anduin: purplefrog: There is some dark hole on the wiki for things like that.
[21:22:04] purplefrog: Ah, I'm used to enhancements being tracked in the bug tracking system so they can be prioritized at our regular project meetings, but that's just the scheme at my company.
[21:22:31] Anduin: purplefrog: Yeah, the Myth bug system isn't "normal"
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[21:25:20] Mersault: hashbang: a little update on our discussion from earlier about mythburn. that patch seems to work *much* better
[21:25:41] Mersault: and it appears it is chapter submenu's, not animated menu's that coaster dvd's.
[21:28:01] ** xris has joined the dark side and gone cable... **
[21:28:05] xris: no more dishnetwork.
[21:29:05] purplefrog: I mentioned IPTV on the Feature_Wishlist for front ends. Go ahead and close out the RFE I put in the tracker.
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[21:47:15] mirak: hey
[21:47:27] mirak: mythtv crashes with Xgl server
[21:47:33] mirak: is it known ?
[21:47:50] mirak: in fact it's more the server who is crashing
[21:48:10] mirak: is it possible to change the video driver used by mythtv ?
[21:48:21] Achew22: compile it with a different driver....
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[21:48:37] mirak: Achew22: what is the default driver ?
[21:48:42] Achew22: xris are you around and not busy?
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[21:49:01] Achew22: I don't remember... but if I had to guess — I would put my money on opengl
[21:49:01] xris: around, mildly busy (at work), ask away
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[21:49:24] Achew22: I get database errors when I try to get onto mythweb (you wrote it correct?)
[21:49:39] xris: what errors?
[21:49:43] Achew22: is there a way to get more detailed output than the crappy error I get now
[21:49:43] xris: (and yes, I did)
[21:49:51] xris: what error?
[21:49:56] Achew22: 1 sec — copy paste
[21:50:11] Achew22: The database environment variables are not correctly set in the
[21:50:11] Achew22: included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included
[21:50:19] Achew22: and yes they are set correctly
[21:50:29] kslater: join #svn
[21:50:33] kslater: doh
[21:50:51] Achew22: I would like to know more to the tune of "can't connect to server" "username/password incorrect" can I get error reports like that?
[21:50:55] eppler: i'm trying to program another remote to work with mythtv but can't get lirc's irrecord to pick it up – does that hauppage ir receiver suck, or are there other settings that need to be adjusted?
[21:52:01] mirak: I can run mythtv frontend in another X session without Xgl but that's not very convenient. In fact only the display of video crashes
[21:52:05] xris: Achew22: you'd get a different error if it was a permission denied
[21:52:14] Achew22: ohh... so its a connection issue
[21:52:17] Anduin: eppler: You are limited to certain remotes.
[21:52:43] Achew22: mirak what distro are you running?
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[21:52:50] xris: Achew22: no. it's a "they're not set correctly in .htaccess"
[21:53:04] xris: meaning mythweb isn't seeing them so you're likely missing mod_env or something to that extent
[21:53:04] Achew22: is that a syntax error in my .htaccess file then?
[21:53:08] mirak: Achew22: Ubuntu
[21:53:30] eppler: anduin: thanks – can you recommend any other ir receiver? i'm trying to use a tivo peanut remote
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[21:53:34] Achew22: mirak download the source and do the ./configure yourself — see if its an option on there
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[21:54:03] mirak: Achew22: I will download the deb source
[21:54:03] xris: Achew22: read the readme in the fixes branch; it has a little cleaner description about how to set up the allowoverride and mod_env stuff
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[21:54:38] Anduin: eppler: I cannot (haven't used a different one in years).
[21:54:55] Achew22: xris, does that readme still apply on the unfixed .19? if it does would you replace the .19 unfixed with it?
[21:54:59] eppler: anduin: thanks again, time for google...
[21:55:00] Anduin: eppler: rc-5 is the protocol
[21:55:40] xris: Achew22: huh?
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[21:56:09] xris: Achew22: can't backport fixes to .19 — it's already been tagged/released. the fixes branch is where that stuff goes. esp. since it's just a readme
[21:56:21] Achew22: okay..
[21:56:28] Achew22: I don't do this stuff
[21:56:35] Achew22: learned something new today ;)
[21:56:42] xris: .19.1 was supposed to be out by now, but since most packages are just using the fixes branch as their source, it's not a high priority.
[21:57:54] Achew22: its in fixes right?
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[21:58:11] xris: yes
[21:58:36] Achew22: so /trunk/mythplugins/mythweb?
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[22:03:19] Pete_: the video's myth is making play in media player classic, but not in media player
[22:03:56] Pete_: codec problem
[22:03:58] Pete_: I guess?
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[22:11:57] gratuit: so I had mythtv working, then I rebooted, and now when I choose watch live tv, the screen blanks, then immediately goes back to the main menu. I get the following error in the backend log file that looks suspicious
[22:12:12] gratuit: 2006-04–04 18:06:02.360 MSqlQuery: SELECT channel.chanid FROM channel, capturecard, cardinput WHERE channel.channum = '' AND
[22:12:12] gratuit: channel.sourceid = cardinput.sourceid AND cardinput.inputname = NULL AND cardinput.cardid = captureca
[22:12:12] gratuit: rd.cardid AND capturecard.cardid = 1 AND capturecard.hostname = 'tiva'
[22:12:12] gratuit: 2006-04–04 18:06:02.362 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.
[22:12:13] gratuit: Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.
[22:12:15] gratuit: Could not start livetv.
[22:12:55] gratuit: any ideas what might be wrong?
[22:13:25] gratuit: I can cat /dev/video0 > file and watch it with mplayer no problem
[22:13:35] Achew22: run mythtv-setup again
[22:13:54] gratuit: Achew22: I've tried that, any suggestions on what I should change?
[22:14:02] Achew22: delete the cards and redo them
[22:14:37] Achew22: xris, I changed httpd.conf to say '<directory "/var/www/mythweb">...' and now I get a 500 error when I load the page — any ideas?
[22:15:13] Achew22: gratuit hell — remove the channel settings too that could be causing the problem
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[22:28:38] Achew22: xris — you write amazing software
[22:28:45] Achew22: I'm always impressed
[22:30:01] gratuit: ah, I think I figured it out, I have a pvr-150, and did a reboot instead of a power down to let the registers on the card clear
[22:30:08] scopeuk: managedto nuke mythweb somehow
[22:30:24] scopeuk: wondering if i should learn ho to do this properly rarther han threw knoppmyth
[22:30:38] scopeuk: do this properly rarther than threw knoppmyth*
[22:31:17] Achew22: do it properyl — its not that hard
[22:31:26] Achew22: hop on over to ubuntu.com
[22:31:37] Achew22: I'll walk you through it if you would like
[22:31:45] scopeuk: Achew22 trust me ive nuked knoppmyh 5 times now i can make anyting hard
[22:31:50] scopeuk: im very muc h a noobie
[22:31:54] Achew22: doesn't matter
[22:31:57] Achew22: i work in IT
[22:32:13] scopeuk: Achew22 thanks for the offer but you honestly dont have that much time spare
[22:32:27] Achew22: no, trust me... its not hard at all
[22:32:29] scopeuk: its gona take hours to install and aything that is compiled will most likely take weeks
[22:32:32] Achew22: nope
[22:32:37] scopeuk: this is a 433
[22:32:42] Achew22: your going to put ubuntu on there — 35 min install
[22:32:51] scopeuk: 35 mins on what
[22:32:53] Achew22: what card do you have?
[22:32:58] scopeuk: bt878
[22:33:03] Achew22: copying files formating and then boot...
[22:33:04] scopeuk: haupague early win tv
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[22:33:08] Achew22: yeah
[22:33:11] Achew22: i know — I had one
[22:33:21] scopeuk: bt chipset is on other cards also
[22:34:24] scopeuk: still cant belive i nuked mthweb i cant even remember editing anything
[22:34:53] scopeuk: although i dont think recordings are beign databased any more either
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[22:38:44] Servo888: anybody know how to use set-codec-params? I want to set it to aspect=3, aka 16:9
[22:38:52] Servo888: I think it's just set-codec-params=aspect=3
[22:38:52] haj: wooph.. just noticed that some of my recordings have no sound.. isn't there some bug with that and the PVR-500 ?
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[22:43:55] haj: oh..
[22:43:56] haj: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500
[22:44:00] haj: now.. sleep :)
[22:44:02] haj: goodnight.
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[22:51:44] SlicerDicer-: xris: eh?
[22:51:50] kormoc: so Beirdo, how do I get your logbot to search?
[22:51:59] SlicerDicer-: xris: what is comcast saying?
[22:52:02] scopeuk: !search isent it
[22:52:07] scopeuk: yes it is
[22:52:19] SlicerDicer-: xris: sorry went up to the iorn head state park trail to walk my dog :)
[22:52:20] kormoc: !search #channel?
[22:52:25] scopeuk: !search term
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[22:52:27] kormoc: blast
[22:52:31] kormoc: !search natali
[22:52:38] SlicerDicer-: !blast
[22:52:54] kormoc: !search natali
[22:53:05] Achew22: !search kormoc
[22:53:21] SlicerDicer-: !search fat bastards titties
[22:53:25] ** SlicerDicer- looks around **
[22:53:43] scopeuk: !slap kormoc
[22:53:47] scopeuk: damn bot
[22:53:47] Achew22: MythLogBot Logs returned SlicerDicer-
[22:53:50] stuarta: !trout the whole lot of you!
[22:53:50] ** MythLogBot slaps the whole lot of you! with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[22:53:59] scopeuk: !troup stuarta
[22:54:04] scopeuk: !trout stuarta
[22:54:04] ** MythLogBot slaps stuarta with a trout on behalf of scopeuk... **
[22:54:09] Achew22: i was going to say....
[22:54:11] scopeuk: !trout #mythtv stuarta
[22:54:11] ** MythLogBot slaps #mythtv stuarta with a trout on behalf of scopeuk... **
[22:54:17] scopeuk: !trout #mythtv-users stuarta
[22:54:17] ** MythLogBot slaps #mythtv-users stuarta with a trout on behalf of scopeuk... **
[22:54:21] scopeuk: give up
[22:54:21] ** stuarta pokes the bot **
[22:54:26] SlicerDicer-: lol
[22:54:28] scopeuk: it'll catch up later
[22:54:29] Achew22: it returned for me just a sec ago
[22:54:31] scopeuk: bye
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[22:54:50] kormoc: I was just wondering who owned Natali the bird :)
[22:54:56] Achew22: 222.25 kormoc.... thats a strange number to return
[22:55:03] Beirdo: it's a score
[22:55:05] Achew22: if only I had sent it a little sooner
[22:55:12] Achew22: then he would have gotten 222.2
[22:55:26] Kelerion: !search Kelerion
[22:55:37] Achew22: HAHAHAHHAHA "Search took 3.898589s"
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[23:02:08] Juski: morning
[23:03:16] stuarta: morning Juski
[23:06:09] ** Juski curses plasterboard screws **
[23:06:27] ** stuarta laughs at Juski for attempting to use them **
[23:06:33] Juski: the ones I bought are too long & won't go all the way in
[23:06:51] Juski: you try boarding out a ceiling,, jesus
[23:06:54] Juski: ;)
[23:07:14] stuarta: that's one of those jobs that's officially a PITA
[23:07:15] Juski: not an easy job single-handed
[23:07:29] stuarta: not easy doesn't do it justice
[23:07:38] Juski: well I'm looking forward to seeing the end result
[23:08:14] Juski: what I've done so far is all dead level.. next step will be putting 1 inch screws in so they all go flush, then cut the holes for the lights
[23:08:30] stuarta: building a new room?
[23:08:32] Juski: I think I prefer theming to be honest though – less arduous on the arms
[23:08:49] Juski: nah – renovating the bathroom
[23:08:50] stuarta: about the same difficulty as well
[23:09:21] stuarta: ahh yes, the famous Juski bathroom light dimmer switch contraption. I remember
[23:09:35] Juski: also 'just' have to convince my wife that we're not having wallpaper in there
[23:09:52] stuarta: no comment
[23:10:06] ** Juski wonders how Kelerion's SO is coping with MCE **
[23:10:20] stuarta: hehehe
[23:10:52] Juski: it wouldn't be fair to say a phrase like "snakes wi tits" but erm... they can be evil ;-)
[23:11:26] ** Juski counts his many blessings **
[23:12:42] Juski: anyway when the littlest room in the house is all done I can concentrate on playing with my spare PC again – only got til July to get it ship-shape as a mythtv exhibition demo
[23:13:05] Servo888: wait a second... is it possible to record in 720x480?! I'm trying to record a dvd via the composite port, but am only getting 480x480
[23:13:30] Juski: Servo888: eew! but yeh you can crank the resolution to 720x480
[23:13:41] Juski: with a pvr card you can, anyway
[23:13:54] Servo888: Juski, yah I've got one
[23:14:02] Servo888: is it done with ivtvctl?
[23:14:18] Juski: but erm.. in the 21st century you can rip DVDs direct.. no need to record anything
[23:15:24] Juski: Servo888: mostly done in recording profile setup pages, but if you're doing a cat /dev/video0 then ivtvctl it's gonna have to be
[23:15:38] Servo888: yah I see it now, thanks
[23:15:45] Juski: I'd use svideo though – not composite
[23:17:26] Servo888: yah I'm using svideo; I was thinking svideo but composite came out
[23:17:42] Servo888: Sweet, it does work!
[23:18:04] Juski: fair play
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[23:18:39] Juski: at least you knew about ripping... I've answered forum postings where someone is asking what tuner card they should buy to grab their DV camcorder footage :-/
[23:18:55] Servo888: wow it looks nice as well... except for the damn motion shots, which gets those horizontal lines accross the screen
[23:19:12] Juski: deinterlace it on playback & it'll be fine
[23:19:25] Juski: or when you convert it to xvid or whatever
[23:19:26] Servo888: Yah that's what everybody says... I rathe do it before hand
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[23:19:38] Servo888: I guess I could re encode it with deinterlace
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[23:20:59] Servo888: wow I even have brightness and contrast controls
[23:21:17] Juski: stuarta: looks like the EIT stuff is still being a pain – been reading the commits. reckon you're any closer to resolving it?
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[23:24:54] stuarta: 0.19 EIT or svn?
[23:25:38] Juski: SVN I think
[23:26:32] Juski: though I'm strangely not seeing any EIT issues on my 0.19 backend -enabled it a while ago & it's working ok without hogging my cpu
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[23:26:49] stuarta: what about random crashes?
[23:27:34] Juski: not seen any of them (touch wood)
[23:27:55] stuarta: maybe it's only in Finland...
[23:28:30] Juski: need to buy a new vga card for my spare box – then i can get down to some testing & stuff
[23:28:54] Juski: wanna try to do a patch for mythgallery so it gets the aspect ratio right on 16:9 displays
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[23:29:12] Juski: 16:9 displays at non-16:9 resolutions I might add
[23:29:19] stuarta: I need testers for the 0.19 backend crashes (which only seem to happen in Finland)
[23:29:55] stuarta: other than that, scanning is now going onto the back burner pending functionality in the signalmonitor, so back to working on EIT
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[23:31:07] Juski: I can't remember if I've asked before – but you know the networkid stuff in the mux table? what's all that about? you don't get that filled in when you import a channels.conf – but it seems to work ok.. what's it for?
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[23:32:55] stuarta: we don't currently verify the nid, which is why it works, but it is part of correctly identifying a channel (nid, tsid, serviceid)
[23:33:10] Juski: ah
[23:34:41] Juski: guessing that transportid also isn't used yet – another thing that doesnt come out of a dvbscan
[23:34:54] stuarta: doing well tonight, watched about 6 shows, setup 3 (soon to be 4) transcoding jobs
[23:35:46] stuarta: it is, and it isn't
[23:35:55] Juski: am I right in thinking that I saw a patch to do tv.com lookups on recorded shows? I have a boatload of X files episodes I'd like to sort by series & ep. number
[23:36:39] stuarta: do vaguely remember it being mentioned, but paid no attention as I don't need it.
[23:37:07] ** FairWitness wakes up and finally starts to set up lan dns services. **
[23:37:11] Juski: played with my remote a bit tonight too – found some useful keys I didn't know existed
[23:37:30] Juski: in recorded programs menu, press 1 to see the symbols key (!)
[23:37:41] stuarta: I'm getting to the poind where I need to set it up.
[23:37:45] Juski: & 3, 9 are pg up & pg down (!)
[23:37:57] stuarta: getting sick of getting out of bed to skip ads. ;-)
[23:38:03] Juski: lol
[23:38:26] stuarta: 'specially when the GF is there too.
[23:38:34] Juski: so far we've managed to avoid having telly in the bedroom
[23:38:49] FairWitness: I don't understand why commercial skip still doesn't recognize the little "vignettes" usually at the end of sitcoms.
[23:38:53] Juski: more for her than for me – she'd never get up on a weekend
[23:38:57] stuarta: I don't have a telly either... Just the computer :)
[23:39:35] Juski: computer in the bedroom? god I'd never sleep!
[23:40:07] stuarta: went on a campaign to silence it. been reasonably successful
[23:40:38] Juski: FairWitness: what commflagging does is complicated – it seems very good when you know what it has to do
[23:40:53] stuarta: cpu fan made a big difference, high capacity PS with temp controlled fan
[23:41:11] Juski: aye – GPU fans can be bad too
[23:41:18] FairWitness: Juski: Oh no doubt, and it's pretty damn good at what it does. I think it has to do with networks streaming in the logos on the end of progrs.
[23:41:23] Juski: as can cases themselves
[23:41:52] Juski: heard about a study in the USA... ad watching is down by more than 80% and people are worried
[23:41:58] stuarta: the GPU fan died, eventually the card did too (on the day I put a new cooler on it funnily enough)
[23:43:10] Juski: as for tv logos... I used to hate em but since I started commflagging I see them as a necessary evil
[23:43:39] stuarta: new commflagging methods are somewhere on my todo list, just not sure where....
[23:44:00] Juski: in this day & age though nobody needs to put logos on screen so you know what channel you're on
[23:44:20] FairWitness: stuarta: Where to put the code? Or where to find the time? :)
[23:45:05] FairWitness: Juski: I don't even mind the logos anymore, what I mind is the new "moving flash-style banner ads" that I now see channels inserting into a 1/4 of my screen.
[23:45:10] Juski: ooo btw I noticed something yesterday watching a recording... some ads have timecode in the top few lines
[23:45:17] stuarta: where on the todo list
[23:45:37] stuarta: Juski: seen that too. looks like morse code?
[23:45:46] Juski: looks like gray code to me ;)
[23:45:57] stuarta: same shit, different smell
[23:46:32] Juski: heh
[23:46:42] Juski: only one ad in the break had it though
[23:47:11] stuarta: some shows I've seen have it for about 3 frames dead on ad start/stop
[23:47:32] Juski: pity they did away with the small black & white chequered squares at the top right all that time ago.. that was a dead giveaway
[23:48:05] Juski: anyone work for a power company? they're clued up about all the ad break timings
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[23:48:27] sandos: why are they?
[23:48:29] stuarta: how do you figure that?
[23:48:47] Juski: so they can budget for people getting up & making a cup of tea
[23:48:56] Juski: seriously
[23:49:09] Juski: water companies too
[23:49:49] Juski: they prolly don't take every show into account -just the biggest rated ones
[23:49:52] stuarta: statistical analysis would give them the same info (ps, you are about 4 days late)
[23:50:41] Juski: just remembered seeing something about it on telly a few times.
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[23:51:38] Juski: pay a mole at the tv company to transmit a packet at advert time – easy to do since all the playout is automatic
[23:52:02] Juski: </dr evil mode>
[23:52:34] stuarta: well some of us have to work tommorrow.... later all....
[23:52:38] jd86: erg this problem of things not recording is getting worse and is irritating me
[23:52:39] FairWitness: hahahah quote:"In my game, you get like a rocket launcher, but it like, shoots chainsaws. And they have ninja swords like duct taped to them...and explode!"
[23:52:48] FairWitness: Later stuarta.
[23:52:54] jd86: 5/6 things didn't record, its never that bad
[23:52:58] Juski: laters, sruarta
[23:53:04] Juski: stuarta, even :)
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[23:54:34] FairWitness: Who types when you can tab-complete.
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