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DirectQL:

yep

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DirectQL:

that was it

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bagpuss_thecat:

I've had a filesystem go offline, and recordings that have been 'deleted' by mythtv are still on the filesystem, yet are gone from the database

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bagpuss_thecat:

is there any way to find what ones are orphaned, and delete them?

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jonk_:

q

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xris:

rjune: ok, mythplugins spec updated

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rjune:

coo

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythplug . . . pmbuild.spec

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jonK:

xris, you up for a mythweb question?

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jonK:

guess not....

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jonK:

perhaps anyone then.... After an svn update, the php.conf file included three lines that appear to be garbage,

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jonK:

a line reading:

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jonK:

======

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jonK:

one reading

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jonK:

>>>>>> .mine

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jonK:

any thoughts on what these would be? When commented out, mythweb works fine

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xris:

jonK: that's a "conflict"

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xris:

I've been tearing things out of the config files.

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xris:

only one setting left before they're gone for good

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xris:

if you do "svn status" it'll show you what's up.. though not if you commented them out

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jonK:

conflict between what and what?

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xris:

between your settings and the ones in the repository

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xris:

you'll notice a few more files in the directory... like conf.php.r###

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jonK:

so it's something svn stuffed in ?

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xris:

yes

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jonK:

and svn literature will describe?

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xris:

probably because you had modified your config file, and I removed the settings.

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xris:

it's a failed patch application.

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xris:

the >>>> refers to your changes and the <<<<< refers to mine (or I have those backwards). ==== is the separator between the two.

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xris:

the easiest thing to do is to just wipe the config directory and rerun svn update.

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xris:

I'll be removing the config directory completely probably sometime in the next few hours, anyway.

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roe:

hey all

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jonK:

I've done that in the past ..

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roe:

I realize this isn't the correct place but I am looking for the knoppmyth channel would anyone know off hand?

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xris:

if it's not #knopmyth, there isn't one here that I know of

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jonK:

anthing else coming for mythweb

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xris:

jonK: just lots of cleanup

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xris:

I know kormoc is working on some ajax stuff for the program info popups, too

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xris:

I'm working on making it completely modular.. to make it easier for people to integrate things like mythstreamtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: thanks!

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: For worknig on making things more modular – to make it easier for things like mythstreamtv... ;-)

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xris:

ah. heh.

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DrBair:

my myth backend seems to have recorded liveTV on random channels all day and even started to miss a scheduled recording. Any ideas what could cause this behavior?

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Anduin:

DrBair: How random?

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DrBair:

Anduin: Seems to have hit every channel

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DrBair:

Anduin: Sequentially now that I look at it

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DrBair:

Anduin: I still have no idea what triggered it, I had no frontends going and there was nothing scheduled until 8:00PM

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xris:

DrBair: were you watching livetv?

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xris:

maybe the EIT scanner?

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DrBair:

xris: no liveTV. after I was done watching the recording that it missed the first 10 minutes of, it started watching liveTV on its own again and wouldn't hand control back over

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DrBair:

I have a feeling its all due to the XBMC frontend

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DrBair:

then again it wasn't on all day...

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DrBair:

perhaps I'll just throw the backend into verbose mode and find out what its thinking

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JasonX:

I can no longer get audio from analog outs (only spdif) on my nforce2 mobo, spent hours checking alsa & other settings, it used to work about a month ago, its getting silly

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JasonX:

I just guestimated I've now spent approx 700 hours trying to config myth so 'everything' works as it should, it's just not possible

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JasonX:

i know card is fine as under winows the analog and digital outs both work (AT the SAME time, something not even possible under linux!)

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JasonX:

hmm reran alsamixer -V all and turned everything on i could find and now i get audio out analog, (all were on in normal mode b4) anyway its 3.30am im tired and this is all very very hard

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xris:

jonK: there, conf.php file is now completely gone.

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xris:

and there went the config/ directory. w00t.

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xris:

ok, arm is killing me. no more typing for awhile. later.

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htpc:

Can any of you guys help me with a problem I am having with initial configuration of mythtv?

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xris:

htpc: ask the question

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htpc:

I am a mythtv noob. i am in the stage of configuring where myth tries to connect to the sql database (i think) i get an error like this:

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htpc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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htpc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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htpc:

2006-04–01 09:44:03.105 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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htpc:

Query was:

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htpc:

SELECT NULL;

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htpc:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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htpc:

2006-04–01 09:44:03.161 Unable to connect to database!

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htpc:

2006-04–01 09:44:03.162 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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htpc:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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htpc:

Database error was:

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htpc:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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htpc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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htpc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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htpc:

2006-04–01 09:44:03.105 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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htpc:

Query was:

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htpc:

SELECT NULL;

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htpc:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...2006-04–01 09:44:03.161 Unable to connect to database!

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htpc:

2006-04–01 09:44:03.162 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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htpc:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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pjn:

ubuntu?

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htpc:

Database error was:

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htpc:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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htpc:

I am also an irc noob! and suse 10.0

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pjn:

mysql is running?

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pjn:

password is correct?

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htpc:

mysql is running(or i set it to run)

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htpc:

What password should i be using?

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htpc:

htpc@linux:~> find /usr -name libqsqlmysql.so

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htpc:

/usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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htpc:

/usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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htpc:

find: /usr/lib/man-db: Permission denied

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htpc:

find: /usr/share/YaST2/data/support: Permission denied

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htpc:

This is what i got when I ran find /usr -name libqsqlmysql.so as in BeridomythFAQ

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htpc:

anyone?

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DrBair:

did you run the sql command script?

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htpc:

What is that?

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Dorao:

hmmm

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Dorao:

where the hell do the multimedia files go ?

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Dorao:

nevermind ;p

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Dorao:

hello?

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Anduin:

Dorao: Yes?

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phoner:

I've just realized mythtv on an epia with fedora is never going to work

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Anduin:

Why is Fedora specifically a problem?

[05:21:02]

phoner:

maybe it isn't

[05:21:33]

phoner:

but the combination is

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phoner:

maybe core 5 is better, but I have the feeling it would take millions of hours to get it right

[05:24:04]

Anduin:

By then 6 would be out.

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phoner:

hehe, I know

[05:24:40]

phoner:

I'm waiting for EPIA to come out with a new magical bios upgrade that will fix my hardware problems

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Gumby:

anyone here use ivtv0.6? Looking to upgrade to a 2.6.16 kernel but if ivtv doesnt work well with it its sorta pointless at this time.

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Anduin:

Gumby: Several people are.

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_shad:

I just upgraded to the newest version, and now when I am in the watch recordings screen, all my keystroked are doubled. Has anyone else seen this?

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Anduin:

_shad: Only seen other people complain about it.

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Juski:

morning

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pjn:

Juski: beer o'clock on a sunday afternoon here

[07:12:03]

Juski:

8:12 AM... yeah. could be time for a beer in some people's houses ;-)

[07:12:32]

pjn:

just having a few quiet xxxx bitter special brews

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pjn:

(rocketfuel in a bottle)

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Juski:

just biding my time til I get cracking with re-doing the bathroom walls, ceiling & electrics

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xris:

sphery: you still around?

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** xris grumbles about mod_rewrite causing issues. **

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** pjn grumbles about having to change from special brew to regular heavies now he has drunk all the special brew **

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phoner:

DST time sucks

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phoner:

lose an hour of drinking!

[07:59:19]

pjn:

and now my fiancee brings out some jarlsberg cheese, what more could I want!

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xris:

pjn: sounds like a drink to go with my dinner.

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xris:

phoner: no kidding.

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** Gumby decides to give ivtv0.6 a try as 0.4.4 is confilicting with bttv **

[08:05:57]

achew22:

yay

[08:11:34]

phoner:

is she wairing the cheese?

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xris:

phoner: I think it's time to stop drinking. heh

[08:13:37]

Gumby:

hrmm, that didnt go so well.

[08:13:39]

Gumby:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read

[08:13:39]

Gumby:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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Gumby:

looks like make/make install didnt actually create any ivtv modules :(

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Gumby:

is this normal, following the ivtv howto it says to backup msp3400.ko tda9887.ko tuner.ko and tveeprom.ko. however none of these modules get recreated when I make/make install the ivtv modules.

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Anduin:

0.6 only creates ivtv.ko and ivtv-fb.ko

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xris:

Gumby: 2.6.x?

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xris:

oh

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Gumby:

ah, ok

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Anduin:

The rest is already in 2.6.16

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Gumby:

excellent. I dont get the module conflicts I get with 0.4.4 between ivtv and bttv

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achew22:

xirs did you go to sleep?

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xris:

who's xirs?

[08:55:11]

achew22:

your evil twin

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simcop2387:

xris: someone who's asleep now i assume

[08:56:08]

achew22:

will you help me (the noob) with lirc

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xris:

achew22: I suck at lirc

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achew22:

its hard

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

I have a question about /etc/modprobe.d/aliases — if I add the line out of place (like at the end) will it still work?

[08:59:31]

xris:

not a clue

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achew22:

okay... i think I finished my scripty thing for ubuntu

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mrproper_:

achew22: doh i wrote an entire mythtv install script for ubuntu today

[09:09:45]

d64:

well i never.. seems like tv_grab_fi has ceased to work due to changes at the webpage

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achew22:

I have decided how I want to be dealt with after death... I want them to stuff me with explosives from fireworks and then drop me out of an airplane and light me on fire on new years....

[09:12:21]

pjn:

what if you die early january, they keep you on ice till next year?

[09:12:33]

achew22:

yeah... why not

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achew22:

well --- we could do it on the 4th of july

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achew22:

or for octoberfest

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pjn:

what is so special about 4th of july?

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pjn:

sounds like a yank thing to me

[09:13:06]

achew22:

it is

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achew22:

we celebrate our independence by blowing up a small chunk of it

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mrproper_:

achew22: just sounds like an excuse to blow shit up

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simcop2387:

mrproper_: it pretty much is, is alot of fun

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fatmatt:

anyone here using the tvguide.org.au data and noticed a time offset problem?

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simcop2387:

mrproper_: they put most of them on sale (fireworks) after the 4th so we buy much for next year

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mrproper_:

fatmatt: why not use the d1.com.au data?

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fatmatt:

mrproper_: I switched a while ago, had a good reason for it but I forget now.

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mrproper_:

fatmatt: is the tvguide.org.au one any better?

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fatmatt:

and the data from tvguide is a little better, has more show descripions, bit of a blurb

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mrproper_:

fatmatt: as in does it give actual descriptions etc

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fatmatt:

yup, mostly

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mrproper_:

fatmatt: ahh ok have you got a link for the grabber?

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fatmatt:

tvguide.org.au you need to register then hunt for how to set up the tv_grab_au_tuhs xml graber

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fatmatt:

where are you?

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fatmatt:

most of the people there seem to use it for modified tivos, so the xml output is extra, but pretty good

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fatmatt:

rather, the script that grabs the data and makes it myth friendly xml

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mrproper_:

fatmatt: im near sydney

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fatmatt:

you need to set up preferences on the tvguide website, maybe join the mailing list, it's got a warm & fizzy community feel if you like that sort of thing

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mchou:

wtf. I just dicovered my numeric keypad doesnt work in X on my a64 machine but works on athlonXP and Intel......

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drdaz:

its a conspiracy

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mchou:

I've only had the a64 machine for 8 months now :)

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drdaz:

lol

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drdaz:

u dont use the numpad much then I take it

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mchou:

I dont use the a64 machine much

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mchou:

still using my old machines

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drdaz:

u prefer the old sk00l 32bit feel?

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drdaz:

:D

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mchou:

no, it's just the a64 is prone to crashing

[10:23:57]

drdaz:

hmm

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drdaz:

running a 64bit linux?

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mchou:

I dont trust it

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mchou:

32 bit

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drdaz:

ok

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drdaz:

I've got my main backend running 32bit FC4 on a 64bit Sempron 3400+... no issues here... yet

[10:25:26]

mchou:

just earlier today my power went out for less than 1 sec, and a reboot was kernel panic x3

[10:25:40]

drdaz:

damn

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bagleabuse is now known as achew22

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mchou:

and it wasnt because of a corrupt fs or some such

[10:26:16]

mchou:

had to reset the cmos jumper

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drdaz:

!!

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mchou:

well, I'm not clear that was what "fixed" it though

[10:27:14]

mchou:

all sorts of shit went south

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drdaz:

is the rest of the hardware in that box tested in other systems?

[10:27:47]

mchou:

I just upgraded to a beefier PSU too

[10:27:56]

mchou:

yup. works well

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mchou:

(in other systems)

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drdaz:

ok.. the crapness didnt coincide with the upgrade then?

[10:28:33]

mchou:

no. The upgrade was to correct the crapiness

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drdaz:

heh

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mchou:

obviously that didnt solve the problem

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drdaz:

the only variable that cant have been tested then is the mobo...

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mchou:

exactly

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mchou:

it's an Asus a8n-sli

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drdaz:

ok... I know little about a64 mobos..

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mchou:

anyway, I'm not sure wtf is wrong with it

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drdaz:

:(

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mchou:

I was playing RTCW and it kicked me all the way out of X

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mchou:

never seen that b4

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drdaz:

heh

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drdaz:

nothing in the logs?

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mchou:

yeah. panic in the logs

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drdaz:

your mobo needs valium

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marc_in_lux:

good morning

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mchou:

I rebooted it and then the display went on the fritz

[10:32:47]

mchou:

crappy brownouts. I hate them

[10:33:03]

mchou:

lights been flickering all damn day

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marc_in_lux__:

what DVB-S cards should I buy to put into a Mythtv server?

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drdaz:

one with linux driver support

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** Calroth was just playing RTCW **

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drdaz:

www.linuxtv.org

[10:34:13]

Calroth:

got accused of spawn camping, well, maybe I did a little :-p

[10:34:34]

drdaz:

lol... spawn camping --> teh suck

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mchou:

Calroth: which server you usually play on?

[10:35:29]

Calroth:

http://www.evilsmurfs.com/rtcw.php

[10:35:30]

marc_in_lux__:

drdaz, that's where I'm coming from. Too much choice, not enough knowledge.

[10:35:37]

Calroth:

got something like 35 players on atm

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mchou:

Calroth: not familiar with that server....

[10:35:59]

marc_in_lux__:

In analogue TV I used PVR-350's and was happy.

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drdaz:

marc_in_lux__: you checked their wiki?

[10:36:20]

mchou:

Calroth: usually play on TAO or EGCN myself

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** Calroth nods. **

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drdaz:

its not up to date exactly, but there's a list of cards known to work

[10:36:38]

mchou:

Calroth: strictly a beach boy myself

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marc_in_lux__:

yessir.

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drdaz:

I can't advise you personally on which to get... trying to get my Twinhan Cab-CI working in myth myself :(

[10:39:21]

marc_in_lux__:

ok, so that's what I don't want, then ;-)

[10:39:21]

drdaz:

but I'd say picking one of the cards in that list at random would be a reasonably safe way to go

[10:39:31]

drdaz:

heh its a dvb-c card, so no

[10:40:09]

marc_in_lux__:

if it says it supports VDR, then it'll support myth too, right?

[10:41:00]

drdaz:

I'm not 100% sure of this... but I'd say that if it says DVB it will work

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Juski:

brownouts? curry last night? ;-)

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drdaz:

afaict VDR has support for some cards above and beyond that which is built into the kernel

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drdaz:

dumb question: are the HLCI patches applied to the 0.19-fixes branch? Or are they only applied to trunk?

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drdaz:

I ask since if they are already applied, there may be some explanation as to why my card isnt responding properly in myth..

[11:00:52]

drdaz:

seeing as I applied the patches (again?) myself

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Agrajag-:

does anyone happen to know or can find out the keybindings action for displaying different groups when in the watch recordings menu? normally the key is M but i've changed mine and don't know what the action is

[11:18:53]

marc_in_lux__:

just for my understanding... those budget cards without decoder are fine for a myth backend, right? I can record the stream right from the sat feed, there's no reason to decode?

[11:20:45]

drdaz:

correct

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drdaz:

myth and your CPU + GFX card will do the decoding

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marc_in_lux__:

but on the front end side – and what is recorded is pure mpeg2? The reason I ask is that I use Hauppauge MVP's as frontends.

[11:23:13]

drdaz:

the stream should be an mpeg2 ts

[11:23:24]

moemoe:

marc_in_lux__: first the ts is recorded, but it'S easy to convert to mpeg2

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moemoe:

s/convert/extract/

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marc_in_lux__:

ts?

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drdaz:

transport stream

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marc_in_lux__:

ok... so what I'll find on my drive is the transport stream and not pure mpeg2?

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marc_in_lux__:

could somebody put a couple seconds of this ts online so I could download?

[11:42:57]

pjn:

I'll have to record some for you

[11:43:10]

pjn:

(everythign I've got is a full show in lenght)

[11:43:32]

pjn:

sorry, it appears that all the tuners are currently busy

[11:47:57]

marc_in_lux__:

pjn, can one not just dd a couple megabytes off?

[11:50:39]

pjn:

just thought of that myself :)

[11:50:46]

pjn:

d if=1505_20060402213000.mpg of=/var/www/file.mpg bs=1k count=1024

[11:50:56]

pjn:

there shoudl be an extra dd there

[11:51:13]

pjn:

http://www.panic.id.au/file.mpg should be the go

[11:53:22]

pjn:

anyway, I'm off to bed (I don't know what show the mpeg is of)

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marc_in_lux__:

thank you, pjn. Just downloading it.

[12:17:28]

marc_in_lux__:

what card is it from?

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marc_in_lux__:

it looks like there's something off at the beginning but then there's video that my MVP can show. care to get me something a bit bigger? Like 10MB or so?

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defi_:

This may be a taboo question, but where do you get roms for mythgame?

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pjn:

http://www.panic.id.au/10megs.mpg

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pjn:

from a twinhan dvb-t card

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pjn:

really bed now

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enyc:

Hrrrm.... ? where are UVF-exception requests made/listed ?

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Jelte:

hi there. Does anyone know if you can buy the hauppauge remote control separately?

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** FairWitness just accidentally learned irssi. **

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D-side:

FairWitness: at least the day isnt a total waste then

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svenemil:

Hi there...

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svenemil:

I have some trouble getting my pvr-250 (pal) to work with KnoppMythR5B7. I've been searching around for two full days now. Still no luck.

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svenemil:

dmesg says "ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw". Read a _few_ entries on this. None seems to give me a solution..

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sixy:

Hi

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sixy:

this channel alive? could use some info if anyone is here

[14:31:32]

Juski:

teabreak...

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Juski:

ask away, sixy

[14:32:03]

Juski:

before I go back & finish putting my noggins in ;-)

[14:32:12]

sixy:

is it possible to compile myth without tv support?

[14:32:24]

Juski:

not really

[14:32:34]

Juski:

but there's no law that says you have to have a TV tuner

[14:32:50]

sixy:

i just dont want the tv to show up in the menus, really

[14:32:56]

Juski:

easy to fix

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sixy:

simple plain-text menu file? or more complex?

[14:33:21]

Juski:

some XML files

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Juski:

very easy to work out

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sixy:

ah ok xml is not so hard.

[14:34:01]

sixy:

thanks

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Juski:

btw if you don't want to watch or record TV there are other projects better suited to media playback

[14:34:18]

sixy:

such as?

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sixy:

i only found preevo and myth and myth seemd the better of the two

[14:34:41]

sixy:

*freevo

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Juski:

the music module isn't to everyone's taste

[14:35:14]

Juski:

in mythtv I mean, but it's improving with every release

[14:35:48]

sixy:

well i liked the screenshots, but what other packages would you reccomend?

[14:35:53]

Juski:

if you're sticking to Linux, my money would be on mythtv

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Juski:

otherwise there's erm.. MediaPortal

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Juski:

for windows

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sixy:

it has to be linux, because i need to run multiple x-servers, and theres no way to run multiple copies of windows on one machine that i know

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sixy:

otherwise id just use MCE or meedio

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Jelte:

a friend of mine is running mediaportal... says it wont stay up longer than 2 hours... best to avoid MS for HTPC if you ask me...

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sixy:

well ive built m$ based HTPCs that stay up for months with no issues, but theve all been based on MCE/SageTV

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Jelte:

ah well you've got more experience there than I have ;-)

[14:43:33]

sixy:

so ive had no trouble with windows, its just not very good at doing unusual things, like running 4 computers on one machine :)

[14:44:19]

Jelte:

there wouldn't happen to be anyone here who would know how to configure the built-in DHCP server in a US Robotics router now would there? I need to configure it to tell my mini-itx where to find the TFTP server

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sixy:

can you telnet in ro is it just a web interface?

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Jelte:

i can telnet in (just doing that now to see if i can find an dhcpd.conf

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Jelte:

hmmm very limitted ...

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sixy:

otherwise cant you add directly to your m-itx?

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Jelte:

dont have the m-itxt yet... just working out what it's going to take to get it to boot minimyth over the network

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sixy:

just a suggestion, but weve found our HTPC m-itx boxes have been much more successsful running pentium m cpus rather than EPIAs

[14:49:26]

Jelte:

now you tell me! my epia sp8000e is turning up tomorrow

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Jelte:

;-)

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sixy:

oh.... :)

[14:49:54]

Jelte:

oh well... i'm sure it's going to give me a few month of playing around

[14:50:05]

sixy:

well we run MCE on ours as our clients are stupid so that takes up quite a bit of the CPU

[14:50:06]

Jelte:

and it will be better than running myth on a roku photobridge

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Jelte:

hehe

[14:50:18]

sixy:

so myth might cope better

[14:50:42]

Jelte:

i'm hoping it will be ok... bit worried about lockups i've read about for mythdvd

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sixy:

do you htink they are heat-related?

[14:52:02]

sixy:

weve found that the built in HSF units are universally crap

[14:52:08]

Jelte:

there seems to be a combination of reasons for them... many people are jumping to DMA being the cause... not too sure i buy that

[14:52:13]

Jelte:

heat seems more likely to me

[14:52:56]

Jelte:

considering i'm about to squeeze the lot in to a hoojum cubit3 case, without an HD, I might be ok for heat though

[14:52:59]

** Jelte keeps his fingers crossed **

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sixy:

one of my projects for next month is to fit a zalman vf-900CU HSF (a powefrul VGA cooler) inside a m-itx as a cpu cooler

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Jelte:

hmmm interesting concept

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Jelte:

reason i went for the SP8000E was not to have a fan at all though... i find even the zalman's too noisy for my lounge

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sixy:

its ony 30mm high so height shoulnt be a prob, and its very powerful and quiet, its just mounting the damned thing

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sixy:

if you undervolt them froimm 12–9v they get a lot better

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Jelte:

yeah, i put one of those zalman regulators in my server box

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sixy:

what case are you using?

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Jelte:

for the itx ?

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sixy:

yeah

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Jelte:

hoojum cubit3

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Jelte:

http://www.hoojum.com/new/html/cubit3.htm

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sixy:

thats interseting... not seen that before

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Jelte:

that case passed the GAF (girlfriend acceptance factor) ;-)

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sixy:

hehe

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sixy:

we use a silverstone LC-09

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sixy:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc09.htm

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Jelte:

not bad

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Jelte:

damn... dont think i can configure my dhcp server on my router

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kleptophobiac:

good morning

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kleptophobiac:

or afternoon

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sixy:

got the latest firmware? you never know it could help......

[14:59:57]

kleptophobiac:

or whatever the case may be

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sixy:

afternoon :)

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Jelte:

sixy: yeah got the latest stuff... its a USR9106

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kleptophobiac:

anybody using mythvideo and imdb.pl?

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Jelte:

kleptophobiac: no but i have been interested in seeing if mythdvd can be made to use imdb look ups :-)

[15:02:02]

kleptophobiac:

ah, that would be cool

[15:02:35]

kleptophobiac:

anybody running today's or yesterday's SVN be interesting in trying to do an imdb lookup for me?

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kleptophobiac:

*interested

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sixy:

bah i cant belive manrke doesnt come with lame...

[15:04:02]

sixy:

*mandrakie

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sixy:

oh ffs

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sixy:

anway, what parts of lame do i need?

[15:04:16]

Cromz:

I am really hating ati right now..

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sixy:

jelte – the only thin i can think of is making the computer the minimyth is booting from a dhcp server

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Jelte:

sixy actually, I was thinking of just installing a dhcp on my server. ie have the server run mythbackend, TFTP, and DHCP

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Jelte:

bit unsure how thats going to conflict with the routers' dhcp though

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Cromz:

so like I got this kool Pundit p1-ph1 system. its small foot-print should have been a real nice frontend. but it has a ati express 200 epci graphics chip set. and I can't get the drivers to load on it.

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sixy:

thats what i meant. its unlikely the router will work as a secondary DHCP server, but you can probably disable it altogether

[15:09:43]

Cromz:

Jelte, I was thinking about something simular. but put a 2nd nic in the backend, make a seperate like subnet for myth boxes.

[15:09:58]

sixy:

cromz what idstro are you running?

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sixy:

*distro

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Cromz:

fedora core 4 on that one.

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Cromz:

mythdora

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Cromz:

:>

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Jelte:

the m-itx will search all machines on the lan for a dhcp right? so what happens if it gets answers from two machines? then again, you are right, perhaps just dissable the routers dhcp and have the server take over... hmmm

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kleptophobiac:

in the case of two dhcp servers, you get a race conditions

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kleptophobiac:

and it's whichever responds first

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Jelte:

ah, that wont be good, cuz that'll be the router that my mini-itx will be plugged in to ;-)

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sixy:

yeah... just check that the USR cant be a 2ndary DHCP, but id be surprised

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sixy:

cromz, if its hardware support, i would suggest the fedora support channel, as they are more likely to be able to help you sooner

[15:12:11]

sixy:

i have no experinace with that particular peice of hardware, but im sure someone will have

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kleptophobiac:

how do I change the aspect ratio of the PIP window?

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Jelte:

right, so i can indeed disable the dhcp of my router... so if there is another machine on the lan (my server) which runs a dhcp deamon, then anything else I plug in to my router (eg a laptop) should find that dhcp server on my lan and get itself sorted, right?

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sixy:

yeah. thas what my home network looks like

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Jelte:

cool... well all i have to do now is to sit back and wait for the parts to show up then :-)

[15:16:08]

sixy:

i dont like runnning much on my router, as its monitoring isnt fantastic

[15:16:51]

Jelte:

you use anything specific to monitor what's going on on your server? or just the good ole trusted command line? ;-)

[15:16:54]

sixy:

personally i disable everything apart from the modem itself and get one of my servers to do the rest

[15:19:00]

sixy:

myth takes a bloody long time to compile :/

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kleptophobiac:

yessir

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sixy:

anyone tried the DVD-ripper plugin btw?

[15:20:32]

kleptophobiac:

i don't bother... windows is just a better platform for that sort of thing.

[15:20:39]

kleptophobiac:

dvd decrypter + staxrip or autogk

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sixy:

well yeah but windows kinda aint an option for this... pity as it would be *so* much easier

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sixy:

it would be useful to have an idea of cpu usage on an amd64....

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kleptophobiac:

heh

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sixy:

just doing the test run atm, but the fina system will be built on an amd64, and i oculd do with knowing wethere to use 32-bit or 64bit kernels

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – are there any DVB-C cards, that work in the UK on telewest (that i can put my set top box's card into), and with mythtv?

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sixy:

not come across any dvb-c pvr cards, but cany you just use an anloge card (eg hauppauge pvr-150) and an ir blaster?

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d64:

i have a dvb-c card but about the stb card i don't know

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sixy:

there are card readers designed for reading cable/satellite cards, but i dont know if you can even buy them at retail

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sixy:

i also have no idea about how mythtv would handle encrypted content, but then im not the person to ask about that

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i presume the card would decrypt the content using the key on the card. i currently have an anaolgue card (cheapo bttv), but if i'm going to get a proper card, i'd rather get one like i described rather than a pvr150

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Super_Cat_Frog:

(presuming they exist and work with myth)

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: what you're asking is against your cableco's terms & conditions. you're legally only allowed to use their stuff

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Super_Cat_Frog:

juski – that sucks and blow

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Super_Cat_Frog:

*blows

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Juski:

as for the other stuff you talk about – well it's illegal

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Juski:

and won't be talked about in here

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Juski:

just FYI

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ok, fair enough

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Juski:

huge shame though, isn't it? I had to get a 2nd cable box

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meushi:

can someone point me to an IRC channel for dvb-s problems?

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

can the ati raedon 9800 card be used to display hdtv resolutions ?

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Kelerion:

morning all

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Kelerion:

I must be doing something stupid.. I'm setting "browsable" for particular films in the Video Manager but they are still being displayed

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Kelerion:

"not browsable" even

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Kelerion:

doing a svn update in case I was unlucky

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ger3d:

hi juski, are you the one who made the Project Grayhem Theme?

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Juski:

ger3d: yup

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Juski:

I noticed something last night – cos I never use livetv... the live programme guide has a red box in it... lol

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** Juski is taking a little break from un-demolishing the bathroom ;-) **

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Kelerion:

ooh.. you get all the fun :P

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Juski:

we've got this (or rather HAD) glass window overlooking the stairs.. my wife was using the steamer on the wallpaper covering it... it cracked!

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Juski:

just been boarding it up.. boy that was fun to remove a huge pane of glass

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Juski:

how's your weekend been, Kelerion?

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defi_:

Is there a bug with mysql similar to theone in mythbacken that sometimes requires you to use "zap"?

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Juski:

btw re: your browsable problem – I had the problem in 0.18.1 til I figured out the filtering options ;-) Or is the problem not that

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Kelerion:

having a relaxing weekend.. spending it importing all my videos into mythvideo

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Juski:

looking fwd to having a rest at work tomorrow!

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|yak|:

hi

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Kelerion:

I'm always resting at work :P

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** Kelerion loves working from home **

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Kelerion:

although it does have it's downsides

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Kelerion:

no one to bounce ideas off is the biggest

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Juski:

having to do the housework too, eh?

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|yak|:

does any one have a link to the patch on jarrod's howto guide pls? its the patch rc.sysinit-mm

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|yak|:

i cant seem to get the posted link working :(

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Kelerion:

nah.. my wife and I have an agreement.. she does the housework.. I keep my office tidy..

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

right – back to tidying up.. downing tools at 6pm

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Kelerion:

have fun :)

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Cromz:

nice nice. used an older version of the ati and now it works. new frontend almost done. just need hmm x10 mouse on it.

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Juski:

anyway ger3d email me with any issues with my theme ;-)

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Juski:

include screenshots if problem is visual

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svenemil:

Hi, room...

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|yak|:

hi svenemil

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Filip:

Does playback on a frontend require mplayer or does mythtv use some other way of streaming video from the be to the fe?

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svenemil:

Hi, |yak|

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svenemil:

I have searched around for the last couple of days, without finding a solution to my problem.

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svenemil:

My pvr-250 will not work KnoppMythR5B7

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svenemil:

dmesg says "ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Filip: it doesn't use mplayer at all..It uses ffmpeg for playing most things I belive (libavcodec)

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Kelerion:

Filip.. doesn't *require* mplayer

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ger3d:

I asked because I made the retro theme and yoou asked to help an yours but I havnt heard anthing from you

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Filip:

Right, I got DVD playback confused

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Filip:

See, the problem is that my fe segfaults when I want to watch a recording. I have a pundit-R which comes with a radeon built-in. But I don't have much exprience with the radeon, as I've only used nvidia cards thus far

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liran:

im wondering if a 'resume playback' ever going to be supported? like there is in actual dvd players where they resume back from where you stopped the movie...

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Juski:

mythvideo now has bookmarks (in SVN at least)

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mchou:

svenemil: you read the ivtv docs?

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Filip:

So a fe that connects to a remote be does neet ffmpeg, right? Cause apparently, gentoo didn't pull that in when installing mythtv -frontendonly...

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svenemil:

mchou: I have at least tried...

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mchou:

svenemil: and what did the ivtv docs tell you where to put the fw file?

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|yak|:

whihc kernel is that distro svenemil?

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svenemil:

I have tried to dl new firmware files, tried to edit the firmware.agent

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svenemil:

kernel is 2.6.15, I belive

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mchou:

I dont think you should have to mess with firmware.agent, iirc

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|yak|:

and which version of ivtv?

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svenemil:

ivtv: version 0.4.3 (tagged release) loading

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|yak|:

what do you have in your modprobe.conf?

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svenemil:

I cant seem to fine

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ger3d:

juski the reason I asked was because I made the retro theme and you asked to help on yours but I havnt heard anthing from you

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svenemil:

find modprobe.conf..

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|yak|:

should be /etc/modprobe.conf

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|yak|:

but just check the kernel version with uname -r

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svenemil:

uname -r says "2.6.15-chw-2"

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svenemil:

there is nothing called "/etc/modprobe.conf" on my system..

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Juski:

ahhh... hi gerhard! :)

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Juski:

busy renovating my bathroom – theme's taken a back seat for now ;-)

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drdaz:

is there a way of stopping myth from displaying the 'Tuner 1' (or whatever) message when starting LiveTV? I ask since I find dumps a big ugly black box on the program guide using xvmc...

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drdaz:

it dumps*

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ger3d:

same here juski, just made retro working with 0.19

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svenemil:

|yak|: I have also tried to edit "/etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv" and "/etc/sysconfig/ivtv/cfg-0" with no success (options tuner type=5)

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ger3d:

I'll get some time during easter to make a few more watermarks etc.

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|yak|:

my suggestion would be to remove module options from the module load

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|yak|:

and try that

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mchou:

hey, can someone tell me what (max,min) bitrate they use with pvrx50?

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svenemil:

|yak|: where would I do that?

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petrucci:

anyone know how to fix the Master Backend Server? whenever i run mythtv, it keeps saying the server aint running and i need to check the ip addy...but i already did in mythtv-setup

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mchou:

petrucci: you RTFM?

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Filip:

petrucci: On Gentoo?

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petrucci:

no, on ubuntu

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|yak|:

well svenemil – i'm not familiar with knopmyth – ihave had a quick read of the webby and cant find a direct answer – perhaps someone else in here knows – sorry not much help there

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petrucci:

cant locate the problem in the manual/docs

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Filip:

petrucci: Is your backedn and different computer from your frontend?

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Filip:

petrucci: sorry, messed up that sentence completely

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petrucci:

no, im testing both backend and frontend on the same comp

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Filip:

petrucci: so... is the mysql server running?

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petrucci:

yep

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mchou:

petrucci: how did you start the backend process?

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svenemil:

|yak|: thanks anyway !! What are you using for your MythTV setup?

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|yak|:

svenemil: look /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv

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|yak|:

and remove the options below the ivtv if there are any then try again

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|yak|:

i am using fc5

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|yak|:

and jarod's guide http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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petrucci:

hm crap..now im suddenly unable to connect to database.

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petrucci2:

hm

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Filip:

petrucci: dont touch petrucci2. The universe will implode

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petrucci2:

..waiting for petrucci to quit..

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jd86:

i recently replaced a ati bttv card (i have 3 cards in to begin with 1 pvr150, one ati bttv, one wintv go bttv) with another pvr150. I had settings so that certian cards got certian things, how do i figure out whats detected first?

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mchou:

jd86: why the hell would you care which one got "detected" first?

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mchou:

just make sure the pvr150s have the lowest "ids" in the myth db

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|yak|:

does any one have a link to the patch on jarod's howto guide pls? its the patch rc.sysinit-mm

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jd86:

mchou: yea i don't know, i had everything hacked up working, i'm going to have to upgrade ivtv drivers because half of the drivers' utilities didn't work

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drdaz:

heh... ffs.. my box has started segfaulting when using xvmc

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drdaz:

just recompiled today

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mchou:

drdaz: wgat kind of box is this?

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mchou:

what*

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mchou:

drdaz: I mean is this a VIA Nehemiah box?

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mchou:

drdaz: or a more "generic" box?

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jd86:

pvr150 2 isn't working :( all black with some static

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drdaz:

I'm using an nvidia GF5200

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mchou:

drdaz: weird. I don't have segfaults with xvmc :)

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mchou:

same card

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drdaz:

heh nor did I til today

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drdaz:

u compile yourself?

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mchou:

still on 0.18.1, compiled myself :)

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drdaz:

I'm wondering if xvmc is detecting properly

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drdaz:

or rather if the nvidia libs are being detected properly

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CygnusX1:

Hello everyone. I have an issue after DST (1st time observed here since the 60's I believe.) My oncreen guide is correct, but all programs in Mythweb are an hour off.

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svenemil:

Hello – Anyone successfully using KnoppMythR5B7 with pvr-250 (pal) ?

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mchou:

CygnusX1: wow, I thought that issue was solved long ago

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sixy:

does anyone know anything about 64bit performace compared to 32bit on amd64 cpus?

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jonK:

ok, so ojust ordered the new motherboard/cpu to upgrade backend

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jd86:

:(

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CygnusX1:

mchou, mythtv 0.19...QT 3.3.3

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jd86:

my bttv card has staticy across it

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mchou:

jonK: you go for the Gigabyte and 3800+?

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jd86:

alright heres a question for yaz, my ivtv card (whichever one this is) is working great on channel 10, but channel 14,15 and more i'm sure have like messed up like you can sort of see the picture but its black and white and blocky and staticy

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jonK:

I did

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drdaz:

erm... when I run configure for myth with xvmc enabled... I'm being told that my XvMC libs are "-lXvMCW"... is this correct? I'm using the nvidia binary driver...

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drdaz:

it strikes me that the answer to this is 'no'

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jd86:

no ideas people?

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jd86:

this could be agitating

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CygnusX1:

mchou — s simple restart of mythbackend appears to resolve the issue

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jerky_3:

how can i get mythfilldatabase to update one channel? I had a channel that was previously "unknown" all the time and i think i found its xmltv id , which i entered into mythtvsetup

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phatmonkey:

what's the simplest way to compile mythtvosd without all the libraries that mythtv requires?

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xris:

statically linked on a machine WITH the libraries?

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phatmonkey:

I just want to compile it on my asterisk server without installing all the libraries (qt3, lame, etc)

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xris:

you sure it doesn't use qt? most of myth uses qt

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moemoe:

phatmonkey: you need at least the header-files

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moemoe:

in most distributions you cant install the headers without the libraries

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phatmonkey:

actually, yes, it does

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phatmonkey:

it's a very simple program

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phatmonkey:

I'll write a perl script to do it

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phatmonkey:

I know less about this than I should... I'm too used to debian packages doing everything for me

[19:19:56]

AngryElf_:

hey all, i'm trying to start a remote frontend and I keep getting "unable to connect to database, no error type from QSwlError? Strange...." I did the grant all commands listed in the docs but it's still not working...any ideas?

[19:20:36]

xris:

firewall?

[19:20:39]

xris:

selinux?

[19:24:03]

phatmonkey:

actually, I can't really be bothered

[19:24:08]

phatmonkey:

I've got the qt3 lbraries installed

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AngryElf_:

could it be anything else, cause i'm pretty sure i never changed firewall settings before and it had worked

[19:24:41]

phatmonkey:

but running configure still warns me about lame

[19:25:01]

rhacer:

where do the channel lineup feeds come from?

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xris:

rhacer: where do you live?

[19:25:51]

rhacer:

Oregon

[19:26:11]

xris:

then they come from zap2it

[19:26:13]

xris:

read the docs

[19:26:17]

Beirdo:

hahahah

[19:26:29]

jonK:

I've been to portland. I begged a firm to hire me so I could move there, instead of having to move to south east texas.

[19:26:32]

Beirdo:

my grabbing scheduler did NOT appreciate DST

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rhacer:

I pity you jonK

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xris:

Beirdo: lol

[19:26:59]

rhacer:

I can't fathom having to trade Portland for E. Texqs.

[19:27:21]

xris:

rhacer: no kidding. I love the northwest (seattle)

[19:27:42]

rhacer:

Seattle is a lovely town. Just a bit too big.

[19:28:10]

Beirdo:

at least I think that's what it got pissy about

[19:28:25]

xris:

I don't mind the big too much (until my commute changes in a few months from 4 miles to 25, blech)... and most of my family (and my wife's) is up here.

[19:28:39]

jonK:

houston is not a bike friendly town

[19:29:01]

rhacer:

I ride a motorcycle, not sure if they allow lane splitting in Washington State or not though.

[19:29:13]

jonK:

I live about a .2 miles from my office, and I swear I nearly get ran over once a week.

[19:29:35]

AngryElf_:

is seattle/portland as bike friendly as they say it is?

[19:29:46]

xris:

portland is FAR more bike friendly than seattle

[19:29:54]

rhacer:

Portland is pretty darn bike friendly

[19:29:54]

jonK:

when I moved here it seemed insane to engineer a commute of any kind, so having no reason to be far away, rented a place essentially across the street from my office

[19:30:00]

xris:

seattle's not bad, depending on where you live.

[19:30:01]

Beirdo:

rhacer, oh you're one of the twits I feel like opening my door in front of?

[19:30:14]

** rhacer chuckles **

[19:30:28]

rhacer:

nope Beirdo no lane-splitting in Oregon.

[19:30:35]

Beirdo:

you'd get a big ticket here in Ontario

[19:30:47]

Beirdo:

if someone doesn't open the door and cream you first

[19:30:49]

rhacer:

though if I lived in LA I'd switch my side bags for a top bag in a minute.

[19:31:10]

xris:

no lane splitting in WA, either.. (couple of my good friends ride motorcycles and would love if they did)

[19:31:19]

xris:

s/they did/was legal/

[19:31:29]

Beirdo:

legal or not, it's dangerous

[19:31:38]

rhacer:

yes it's dangerous

[19:31:43]

rhacer:

but so is riding a bike in the first place!

[19:32:13]

Beirdo:

yeah, so let's increase the chances of getting killed astronomically :)

[19:32:15]

xris:

esp. in the northwest. way too wet to depend on an uncovered vehicle...

[19:32:54]

rhacer:

I ride year round. Only missed one day this year cause of ice.

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Beirdo:

some of my friends have ridden bikes until their wives impressed on them just how much it would suck to have to raise their respective kids alone

[19:33:18]

** rhacer chuckles **

[19:33:26]

rhacer:

My wife puts up with my bike riding.

[19:33:31]

rhacer:

and my kids love to ride with me.

[19:33:55]

Beirdo:

well, I hope you're safe

[19:34:01]

rhacer:

I try and be.

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rhacer:

all the gear all the time and all that stuff.

[19:34:35]

Beirdo:

although you still can't control everything, and mishaps are much more dire on a 2-wheel contraption than a 4-wheel one with a steel cage around you

[19:34:51]

jonK:

doing the ms150 ride in a few weeks

[19:34:55]

rhacer:

yes they are. I've been hit and run twice.

[19:35:04]

xris:

rhacer: that's good. my friends wear full-body suits made from some space-age foam that's better than steel belted leather.

[19:35:30]

xris:

plus they're waterproof. heh

[19:35:31]

rhacer:

Armoured coat and pants + boots and gloves and a full face helmet.

[19:35:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, I used to bike (pedal bike) on the streets in traffic

[19:36:04]

Beirdo:

40km/h on a mountain bike is a rush... but the cars just don't notice you

[19:36:12]

Beirdo:

it's dangerous as shit

[19:36:28]

rhacer:

so is there some really exceptionally quiet hardware that's good to put mythtv on?

[19:37:09]

rhacer:

my biggest concern about building one of these things is how noisy it could be.

[19:37:20]

Beirdo:

you can get quiet gear

[19:37:36]

Beirdo:

the Antec Sonata and Antec Aria cases are quite quiet

[19:37:58]

Beirdo:

there are also cases that are AV equipment dimensioned

[19:38:08]

Beirdo:

dunno how quiet they are in particular

[19:38:26]

xris:

rhacer: and if you have $$, silverstone makes a nice microatx case

[19:38:42]

rhacer:

I'm trying to determine how much to spend now.

[19:38:51]

xris:

the btx platform is also really quiet if you can find the gear (just make sure you get an intel cooler, the thermaltake one SUCKS)

[19:38:55]

rhacer:

especially now that Tivo doesn't have a lifetime subscription anymore.

[19:39:02]

Beirdo:

take as much as you have... and double it

[19:39:02]

Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

rhacer: they still do for another 2 weeks.

[19:39:26]

rhacer:

really? couldn't find hide-nor-hair of it on their website.

[19:39:40]

rhacer:

but I also think MythTV might make a fun project to do with my oldest.

[19:40:14]

Beirdo:

I find what you'll end up spending a lot on is drive space :)

[19:40:24]

rhacer:

I can believe that.

[19:40:39]

rhacer:

I read an article last week about some 250Gb drives for $84.

[19:40:42]

xris:

mythtv is definitely in the "fun project" category... it's FAR simpler to just get the dvr option from the cable/satellite company

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** Beirdo shakes his fist at his grabbing script **

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xris:

rhacer: you can get good 250G sata drives for around $95 shipped with no rebates...

[19:41:18]

Beirdo:

stupid thing needed constant supervision, it seems

[19:41:20]

rhacer:

problem is Comcast wants me to buy about $30 more per month of cable before they'll give me the DVR.

[19:41:39]

xris:

rhacer: needs digital cable.

[19:41:51]

rhacer:

and I already spend a freaking fortune on cable modem/Basic Cable/Digital Cable/and IP phone.

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xris:

then again, if you get digital, you can also get a firewire-capable box that mythtv can interact with (best option for grabbing)

[19:42:54]

rhacer:

I don't WANT as much cable as they require xris. I've got basic cable, I get the broadcast networks in HD, and I'm happy with that.

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xris:

rhacer: they won't give you one with just the basic digital package? that's lame

[19:43:56]

rhacer:

nope they won't

[19:44:01]

rhacer:

which pisses me off no end.

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xris:

price is the main reason I switched to dish.

[19:44:33]

rhacer:

My total bill is close to 100/month with all the stuff I get from them and that's still not enough to get the DVR!

[19:44:35]

xris:

though I'm now pondering switching back because my best option for dish is the svideo jack, and quality isn't nearly as nice as it could be

[19:44:45]

jonK:

xris, aren;t you still stuck with recording only a single channel at a time using that option?

[19:45:02]

xris:

jonK: I'd be in the same boat with cable, too.

[19:45:08]

xris:

one channel per receiver

[19:45:16]

jonK:

that's why I'm using analog cable

[19:45:21]

jonK:

for multi cards

[19:45:34]

xris:

even svideo from my dish blows away analog cable

[19:45:57]

xris:

I can record 2 things, though. I do have an air2pc that works sometimes (need a better antenna. stupid hills/airport)

[19:46:19]

jonK:

I've got a 350 and 2 500's so I'm going to stay analog for a while

[19:46:29]

jonK:

and an hd3000, but I've never got it working

[19:47:33]

rhacer:

are there any good architectural diagrammes of an HD MythTV setup?

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xris:

rhacer: what do you mean?

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rhacer:

I'm still working out in my head how everything plugs together, cause I just don't know how it all goes together Cable Box/HDMI TV/DVD/MythTV/VCR.

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nuxil:

hi all

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xris:

you have 3 options for myth... firewire from cable box, OTA with an HD card, or QAM over cable with an HD card (only unencrypted channels, which your local broadcast ones SHOULD be)

[19:51:29]

nuxil:

i have a issue.. i cant play dvd proparly..

[19:51:45]

nuxil:

it never plays correct..

[19:51:51]

xris:

firewire may or may not be HD (fcc only requires that it be 480p)

[19:52:07]

xris:

output is usually dvi, with or without a dvi->hdmi adapter cable.

[19:52:29]

nuxil:

it alwas starts the worng thing.. never the actualy movie.. i tryed with several dvd's

[19:52:43]

nuxil:

orginale ones

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AngryElf:

xris, selinux and/or the firewall can't be blocking mysql access........so what else could be going on? i did: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv"; flush privileges;....backend = 192.168.1.100, frontend = 192.168.1.101

[19:53:18]

xris:

AngryElf: can you connect from the mysql commandline client?

[19:53:29]

AngryElf:

er...dont know how

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xris:

mysql -h 192.168.1.100 -u mythtv -pmythtv

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xris:

nuxil: might try switching from mplayer to xine or something else

[19:54:02]

AngryElf:

no space after -p?

[19:54:03]

rhacer:

thanks xris

[19:54:06]

xris:

AngryElf: no space

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AngryElf:

yea, i get a mysql> prompt

[19:54:18]

xris:

or just -p and it'll prompt you

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rhacer:

I wonder if my comcast box does Firewire. I know it's got two USB ports on the back.

[19:54:23]

xris:

AngryElf: show tables;

[19:54:32]

AngryElf:

no database selected

[19:54:46]

xris:

rhacer: check. if not, and you're an HD customer, ask and they're supposed to provide one that can.

[19:54:55]

xris:

AngryElf: use mythtv;

[19:55:01]

xris:

(sorry, I missed that on the commandline)

[19:55:09]

xris:

er, use mythconverg;

[19:55:09]

rhacer:

xris: thanks I didn't know that.

[19:55:28]

AngryElf:

show tables works......shows a bunch of info

[19:55:29]

xris:

rhacer: I just wish that ruling applied to satellite companies, too

[19:55:35]

rhacer:

I bet.

[19:55:36]

xris:

AngryElf: ok, then your permissions are fine.

[19:55:55]

xris:

you can get out of mysql now... and I have no clue what to do next. have you tried -v all ?

[19:56:51]

AngryElf:

do you want to see the output?

[19:57:13]

AngryElf:

not very helpful.......keeps aying "no error type from QSqlError Strange...."

[19:57:29]

xris:

yeah, no clue there.

[19:57:36]

xris:

is this a new compile?

[19:57:44]

AngryElf:

yup

[19:57:53]

xris:

maybe missed some qt library or something?

[19:58:11]

xris:

then again, it probably wouldn't have compiled

[19:58:12]

AngryElf:

it compiled w/o errors

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AngryElf:

i've got libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt libqt3-mt-dev .deb packages installed

[19:59:05]

AngryElf:

libqt3-copat-headers isn't though

[19:59:49]

AngryElf:

that says it's for deprecated inlcludes though

[20:00:20]

AngryElf:

qt3-apps-dev and qt3-dev-tools are installed too

[20:01:23]

AngryElf:

mythfrontend -v all -> http://pastebin.com/636407

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nuxil:

xris, the problem is that not all movies uses title;1 as starting point.. i tryed with xine mplayer and the internal player..

[20:05:00]

xris:

AngryElf: google turns up a bunch of xmltv-related comments about that error

[20:05:10]

xris:

nuxil: no clue, then.

[20:05:44]

xris:

thought xine would at least give you the menu instead of auto-play

[20:05:47]

jonK:

i'm hopeful that the new board/cpu will solve the frontend lockups i get all teh time

[20:06:02]

jonK:

and someone should have told me about daylight savings

[20:06:05]

jonK:

god damnit

[20:06:07]

vividan:

hey guys, I'm having problems configuring mythweb. Has anyone gotten it to work?

[20:06:32]

jonK:

I got up at 6:30 to go to a bike ride, and showed up an hour late

[20:07:05]

vividan:

jonK: :(

[20:07:16]

jonK:

vividan, what does it do (or not do)

[20:08:30]

vividan:

jonK: going to /mythweb on the server just gives me the mythweb file index, and if I go to /mythweb/mythweb.php I get... well how about I dump that to #flood?

[20:08:52]

vividan:

jonK: the server is mine, hosted on my box so I can change anything we need to

[20:08:58]

AngryElf:

xris, got it.......libqt3-mt-mysql.....a deb package that's not in their standard repo list

[20:09:22]

vividan:

jonK: well, you can go to http://nin.dnsalias.net/mythweb and see for yourself :)

[20:13:04]

sphery:

xris: If you're still around, I've got a quick parsing patch for you...

[20:13:09]

jonK:

is apache is the php module enabled?

[20:13:19]

sphery:

The commit you just made has out-of-balance parens.

[20:13:26]

sphery:

I have a patch at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/mythweb-balance_parens.patch

[20:13:53]

sphery:

BTW, I'm not trying to be so high-maintenance... :)

[20:13:55]

vividan:

jonK: should be. mythweb 0.18 was installed and working just fine. This started when I removed mythweb0.18 and installed mythweb0.19

[20:14:34]

vividan:

jonK: it's a gentoo box

[20:15:38]

vividan:

jonK: and mythweb.php apears to run, just spits out an error

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nuxil:

arr. i hate this.. xine crases mythtv

[20:16:28]

nuxil:

i read this from the wiki pages

[20:16:31]

nuxil:

The internal Myth player is available from version 0.19 onwards and DVD menu support from 0.20.

[20:16:35]

nuxil:

is 0.20 out?

[20:16:57]

xris:

sphery: ticket.. I'm just headed out the door.

[20:17:22]

sphery:

OK.

[20:17:23]

sphery:

Thanks.

[20:17:32]

xris:

sphery: oops, that from my most recent commit?

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xris:

sphery: ignore the ticket.. fixing now

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vividan:

jonK: any ideas?

[20:19:19]

xris:

done

[20:19:54]

nuxil:

0.20 out?

[20:19:58]

xris:

no

[20:20:08]

xris:

.19 just came out

[20:20:45]

xris:

refers to a future enhancement that someone's working on... or maybe it's in svn already

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nuxil:

how can i know if its in the svn ?

[20:21:40]

xris:

search the commit logs?

[20:23:10]

sphery:

oops.

[20:23:14]

sphery:

Just submitted ticket.

[20:23:17]

sphery:

Will close.

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xris:

the changelog for .20 on the wiki might have it, but it's not always kept up to date

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** xris goes away now. later. **

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rhacer:

xris: if I build a MythTV box, how often--once I get it working--am I going to end up frustrated?

[20:30:38]

vividan:

rhancer: as often as it breaks :)

[20:31:13]

** rhacer chuckles **

[20:31:22]

rhacer:

and how often will that happen?

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vividan:

well, hopefuly never.

[20:31:54]

rhacer:

every time you do an upgrade though likely

[20:32:08]

vividan:

well, upgrades can be exciting

[20:32:49]

vividan:

I just did an upgrade and now mythweb doesn't work... for example

[20:33:05]

rhacer:

I just bought a harmony remote, I'm guessing you can hook up an IR receiver to a serial port and control things with the remote?

[20:33:22]

vividan:

yeah, I havn't had much luck with remotes, but others have

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rhacer:

well the Harmony is pretty freaking cool.

[20:34:01]

rhacer:

Impressed the heck outta me, and I'm pretty difficult to impress when it comes to consumer electronics.

[20:34:11]

omry:

hi, is it possible to run mythtv without an x server?

[20:34:33]

vividan:

omry: a backend box does not require an xserver

[20:34:52]

omry:

I am trying to build svn with --enable-directfb, but after I configured DirectFB is still no

[20:35:01]

omry:

vividan, I mean a frontend bo

[20:35:02]

omry:

x

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vividan:

omry: I'm running mythfrontend on a MacOSX box and not using X...

[20:35:48]

omry:

how?

[20:36:17]

vividan:

omry: there is a frontend built for MacOSX

[20:36:42]

omry:

ah. I am trying to build my own (for linux).

[20:37:16]

vividan:

I'm pretty sure for linux you need X. to display the graphics you have to have some kind of windowing system

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vividan:

why are you avoiding X?

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omry:

because it crashes my box dead.

[20:38:25]

omry:

and the box also acts as a server.

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vividan:

I dunno, but I think you need to get X working

[20:39:11]

omry:

right now I am using freevo in full screen mode, and it works. (I think it does use x server indirectly though). when I run freevo from within X the machine crash after some time.

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Beirdo:

omry, maybe read the configure script and see how it gets shut back off

[20:40:20]

Beirdo:

you are likely missing a library or something

[20:41:33]

omry:

Beirdo, hmm, think so: directfb-config

[20:41:35]

omry:

diggin.

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Beirdo:

holy crap.

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Beirdo:

classical guitar is NOT good music to listen to when you're tired but wanna stay awake

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Beirdo:

hehe

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omry:

why, you just fall asleep for 2 minutes?

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mocker:

Beirdo: I've got Asterisk report what shows are being recorded today from Myth w/ text2speech.

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Beirdo:

yu

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mocker:

:)

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Beirdo:

yup even

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Beirdo:

mocker, you are a geek. Well done

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mocker:

Think I'm gonna add some other things..

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mocker:

Like 'Press 2 to shutdown your system.'

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Beirdo:

heheh

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mocker:

That way if I'm out during a lightning storm things don't get fried.

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Beirdo:

make sure you make it shut down the mythbox, not the asterisk box

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Beirdo:

and shit will get fried whether it's off or on

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mocker:

Same box :)

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mocker:

Yeah, less chance though.

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mocker:

At least hopefully less chance.

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Beirdo:

you'd have to physically disconnect power AND any external cables

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Beirdo:

i.e. cable TV, antennas

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omry:

hmm, when I make mythtv after I change configuration, does it rebuild the whole thing?

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mocker:

Press 2 for your Roomba to unplug the power cord

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mocker:

Just need a roomba.

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** Beirdo grew up in the country... we had all sorts of stuff blow up when plugged in and off :) **

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Beirdo:

Press 2 to shock your roommate and make him/her unplug your computers

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** Beirdo watches mocker furiously pound the 2 for a while **

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** mocker lol. **

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Beirdo:

too much good music on NPR

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Beirdo:

not fair

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Dorao:

where is the mythvideo database stored?

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marcus2:

hm

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Dorao:

ah, figured it out :)

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marcus2:

so it seems that by default, commercial flagging runs before transcoding

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marcus2:

so of course, the commercial flags are lost

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marcus2:

am i missing something here?

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Dorao:

I'm not that far yet... sorry

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Dorao:

still trying to figure out how to get my damn remote to work

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timekllr:

anyone know what would make firewire input and xvmc output slow, and processor intensive to the point that hd is unwatchable ?

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timekllr:

*3ghz w/ HT proc & 1GB ram

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vividan:

timekllr: lack of DMA? I don't know firewire in linux that well

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timekllr:

no, dma is enabled

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RaYmAn-Bx:

timekllr: is it also working? :P Sometimes enabling it doesn't mean it's actually in use

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timekllr:

odin X11 # hdparm /dev/hda1

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timekllr:

multcount = 16 (on)

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timekllr:

IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)

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timekllr:

unmaskirq = 0 (off)

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timekllr:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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timekllr:

keepsettings = 0 (off)

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timekllr:

readonly = 0 (off)

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timekllr:

readahead = 256 (on)

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timekllr:

geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 106896384, start = 63

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Beirdo:

!trout timekllr

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** MythLogBot slaps timekllr with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

use a pastebin

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timekllr:

sorry

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Beirdo:

what version of the nvidia drivers?

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timekllr:

8178

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Beirdo:

try an older version, or disable opengl vsync support

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timekllr:

opengl vsync is diabled

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timekllr:

was using a geforce 6200, so had to use newer driver

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timekllr:

but i just switched to a 5700, so maybe i'll try rolling back

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Beirdo:

worth a try, people have been complaining about 8178 a lot for various things

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Beirdo:

as I use ATI, I dunno

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Cromz:

heh..

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Beirdo:

heh

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Cromz:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Cromz... **

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Cromz:

Beirdo, I had to use ati proprietary driver on the new frontend. man that was a pain. had to use an old version of the driver :(

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AngryElf:

if i'd like to completely delete my database how would i do that?

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timekllr:

DROP DATABASE mythconverg;

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phoner:

I'm totally lost at getting this pvr-250 working

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phoner:

lspci output shows the card

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phoner:

but there is no video device in /dev

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AngryElf:

have you installed ivtv?

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phoner:

yea, and the kernel driver

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phoner:

and firmware

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Anduin:

phoner: What happens when you load the ivtv module?

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phoner:

it doesn't give any output

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Anduin:

phoner: dmesg

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phoner:

ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 card (cx23416 based)

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Bachus:

I'm trying to delete a recording, but Mythtv won't do it. The recording is an hour and a half long when normally it should be 30 minutes long. It looks like the jump forward for daylight savings screwed with the recording a bit. How can I manually remove the recording?

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Anduin:

phoner: There should be more.

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phoner:

ah ok, ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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Anduin:

phoner: See, that is much more clear.

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Juski:

Bachus: mythtv doesn't let you delete a recording? That usually only happens where there's an entry for the recording in the DB but no file exists for it – that won't be the cause in this case so I'm puzzled

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Bachus:

I can delete any recording before or after this one. The system time apparently jumped ahead some time during this recording and I guess that has had bizarre side effects.

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Juski:

hmmm... can you play the file okay?

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Juski:

and ffwd & rewind within it?

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Juski:

maybe it'd be beneficial to run mythcommflag on the recorded file to fix its indexes.. it's the only way round it I can think of

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Bachus:

The preview runs OK. I'd have to reboot to see if it will actually play (in Windows at the moment)

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Bachus:

mythcommflag automatically runs when a recording finishes. Think it could still help?

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omry:

I build mythtv with directfb, but when I run mythfrontend its still trying to connect to an X server.

[21:52:38]

Juski:

problem is, the way I see it – even if the recordedmarkup table entries for that file were borked, it should still let you delete it

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omry:

any idea?

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Juski:

Bachus: mythcommflag is rebuild the indexes for the file – used to tell where in the file myth is playing from/to/right now ;-)

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Juski:

*will rebuild/is rebuild

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Bachus:

Well, how do I run it manually?

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Juski:

mythcommflag < filename> I think

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Bachus:

Ah, it's mythcommflag -f <file>

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Anduin:

Bachus: Was this on a DST boundary?

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Bachus:

During a time change? Yes, I think the time jumped forward approximately around the time the recording ended.

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Anduin:

I believe there is still a bug with round-tripping the timestamps.

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Bachus:

Even if such a bug was fixed in .19 I'm still run .18 anyway. :)

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Bachus:

..and mythcommflag hasn't changed anything, Juski

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Anduin:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it hasn't been fixed, look at the backend logs, rename the file to the expected one.

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Pete__:

Hmm, strange problem.. If I watch tv on a channel for a while, close the frontend on that channel, so the card is left tuned and come back later to that channel on that card, I just after a while get dumped back to the main menu. Looking at the backend its something about looking for 0 audio and 1 video streams, but got 0 of both. I guess this is because the channel is off air. How can I get into live tv? (Switching to a channel th

[22:06:40]

Pete__:

error)

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Bachus:

Aha! Thanks. I should've thought of that.. :) While I'm thinking about it, how will MythTV react when DST ends and the clock goes back an hour?

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Pete__:

Bachus: works fine for me, except the listings of one channel were messed up by an hour

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Anduin:

Bachus: The recordings should be ok around DST, the QTime->time_t->QTime stuff works less well.

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Bachus:

Anduin: Huh? :)

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phoner:

wow that is mega gay, this fedor rpm has an incorrect firmware path for the dvr-

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Anduin:

phoner: From where?

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phoner:

pretty sure this one is from atrpms

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Anduin:

That would be surprising.

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phoner:

maybe I got ivtv from somewhere else

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vividan:

could someone help me with mythweb? go to http://nin.dnsalias.net/mythweb/mythweb.php to see my problem.

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Anduin:

vividan: Seems mostly helpful already.

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vividan:

it's working?

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Anduin:

vividan: No, but if gives you the steps to probably make it work on the error page.

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vividan:

Anduin: I see no readme files and the db_ settings are all correct

[22:24:07]

Anduin:

vividan: The README is there (or should be).

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vividan:

Anduin: in the same dir as the mytweb files? negatory

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Anduin:

vividan: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . DME?rev=9611

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vividan:

Anduin: reading. thanks

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Pete__:

any ideas about the channel switching issue?

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MooglyGuy:

I'm wondering, are there any decent pages for debugging MythTV once it's installed and up-and-running? I can "watch" TV on it, but it briefly pauses every 2–3 seconds.

[22:27:31]

Pete__:

MooglyGuy: maybe look at the output in a terminal of the backend and a frontend

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MooglyGuy:

Pete__: Anything in particular that I should be looking for?

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Anduin:

and top

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Pete__:

yes, see what load is like

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Pete__:

and what link speed is there between the backend/frontend?

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MooglyGuy:

For the former, I'll check it out (how do I check what the load is like?) and for the latter, I'm not sure.

[22:29:48]

Pete__:

Are the backend / frontend on different machines?

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MooglyGuy:

No, the same machine. 1.2GHz AMD T-Bird, 256 megs of RAM, GeForce 2 GTS, ATI TV Wonder Pro.

[22:30:52]

MooglyGuy:

120GB 7200RPM HDD w/ 2MB cache, IDE

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Pete__:

start watching tv, switch to another tty or terminal app, and run 'top' see how much mythfrontend and mythbackend are using

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MooglyGuy:

Alrighty.

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Pete__:

anyone know about my channel problem?

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st3v3dnd:

Hey guys, I'm a little confused. Is MythTV for recording TV signals and watching on a computer, or for recording on a computer and then watching on a TV? If it's for TV, can multiple TVs watch different programs off of the same server?

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Anduin:

st3v3dnd: All of the above.

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Pete__:

st3v3dnd: all

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MooglyGuy:

Jesus

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st3v3dnd:

Does it effectively replace a set top box then?

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Anduin:

Pete__: Failure to switch channels to starchan is currently fatal.

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MooglyGuy:

Between 60 and 70% for mythbackend, and between 20 and 30% for mythfrontend.

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Pete__:

Anduin: ah, thanks

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Anduin:

MooglyGuy: One of the reasons hardware encoder cards are so popular.

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Pete__:

can I lock the start channel to something that always broadcasts?

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MooglyGuy:

Well!

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MooglyGuy:

In that case, I'll use the box for something else.

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MooglyGuy:

Sadly, I don't know what.

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Pete__:

MooglyGuy: what did you see in top?

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MooglyGuy:

Pete__, I just said:

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MooglyGuy:

<MooglyGuy> Between 60 and 70% for mythbackend, and between 20 and 30% for mythfrontend.

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Anduin:

Pete__: Note sure, the only lock I know of, well locks and doesn't really let you change (through external, for cable boxes etc).

[22:35:34]

Anduin:

MooglyGuy: are you using rtjpeg?

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Pete__:

MooglyGuy: ah sorry I missed that

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MooglyGuy:

Andulin, I have no idea what rtjpeg is.

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MooglyGuy:

I followed this essentially verbatim: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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Pete__:

Anduin: ah, thanks anyway

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st3v3dnd:

I know there's some docs, but is there a FAQ somewhere?

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hashbang:

Pete__: echo "use mythconverg; update cardinput set startchan=501;" | mysql -u root --password=PASSWORD

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Anduin:

MooglyGuy: Should have been one of the codec choices, you can also play around with the settings to try to get enough CPU to record/watch.

[22:36:38]

MooglyGuy:

Anduin, what's my best bet in terms of a codec to use?

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hashbang:

Pete__: I put that in a script that gets run when I hit the IR remote 'power' button

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st3v3dnd:

I have stupid questions, like sample system setups, and does there need to be an output card for each TV using the service, or can a splitter be used, etc... and I'm sure this has all been answered before

[22:37:26]

Pete__:

hashbang: interesting idea. I don't use a remote though, through a keyboard. Good to know theres a work around atleast

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Anduin:

MooglyGuy: rtjpeg should be easiest, takes a lot of disk space though, I think you should be able to do MPEG4 with that machine, play with the codec settings.

[22:38:17]

Pete__:

I hope a developer can fix that in .20 ;)

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MooglyGuy:

Anduin, I'll give it a shot, thanks.

[22:38:34]

MooglyGuy:

Hmm.

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MooglyGuy:

Okay, another thing that just occurred to me – could the fact that I'm using a samba share on my LAN as the storage space, over a 100mbit connection, be crippling it as well?

[22:39:25]

Pete__:

I mean if you switch to a channel from live tv to a channel which can't be tuned you get the 'no lock established in timeout, you should have got one by now' thing. Surely that could do the same and let you change to another

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Anduin:

MooglyGuy: It isn't helping it.

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MooglyGuy:

Hmm

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vividan:

Anduin: I went through that readme, and it still isn't working (mythweb)

[22:42:18]

Anduin:

vividan: Did you do the AllowOverride thing (and restart httpd)?

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vividan:

Anduin: yeah

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Anduin:

vividan: Anything useful in your httpd.log?

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vividan:

Anduin: I don't have a httpd.log, but log/apache2/access_log is simply showing the file accesses

[22:46:08]

Anduin:

vividan: Yeah, meant a space not a ., error log?

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vividan:

Anduin: nothing of interest. it shows me restarting it, but no errors when I access the page

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Anduin:

vividan: and you have the setenv module?

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vividan:

Anduin: does env_module count?

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monkeyBox:

Geez, I just realized my server was still running a 2.4 kernel :-P Is it safe to use 2.6 w/ IVTV drivers nowadays?

[22:48:58]

Anduin:

vividan: Yeah...

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Anduin:

monkeyBox: A few are.

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monkeyBox:

Anduin, A few? A few what? kernel versions?

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Anduin:

monkeyBox: People are using

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monkeyBox:

Oh.. so I guess it's not entirely stable yet?

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Anduin:

monkeyBox: I haven't had issues on 2.6 in, well a long time, most recent issues are with 2.6.16 (and even then those are more related to user error than driver)

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vividan:

Anduin: Any other ideas?

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Anduin:

vividan: Not really, sorry.

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vividan:

Anduin: hrm, ok. I have a frontend machine running Knoppmyth that has the mythweb thing working.. but it sees no program listings and isn't accessible to the outside world :(

[22:58:54]

Anduin:

vividan: You can do stuff like use the mysql client to make the connection from that machine with the same params right?

[22:59:32]

vividan:

Anduin: the mysql server and apache2 server are on the same machine, and mysql is very accepting of connects (as long as it's not from the internet)

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vividan:

Anduin: I had version .18 working, but I've upgraded the backend and now need to upgrade mythweb. I have tried completely uninstalling mythweb (gentoo)

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kormoc:

vividan, as for access from the outside world, are you sure your router is port forwarding ot the correct ip address?

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vividan:

kormoc: port forwarding isn't an issue. I know how to do that

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vividan:

kormoc: it's an issue of that machine not always being on

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vividan:

kormoc: so I want the apache server on a different box

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

so what exactly is the error?

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vividan:

go to http://nin.dnsalias.net/mythweb/mythweb.php to see

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kormoc:

vividan, and in the mythweb directory, the .htaccess is set, and you can connect to the db server via the command line?

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kormoc:

vividan, and you have the AllowOverrides for the mythweb directory set in the vhost config?

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corpix:

hi

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vividan:

kormac: yeah

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corpix:

i have a lot of the following and i cant see the main menu:

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corpix:

QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

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corpix:

QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

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corpix:

what could that mean ?

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corpix:

qt is the same version, didnt change

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JasonX:

Doea anyone know how to config ALSA's asound.conf to get sound out of spdif AND analog simultaneously (digital out->amp, analog out->RF modulator)

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kormoc:

vividan, huh, the backtrace that gets emailed to you shows those values correctl set?

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corpix:

JasonX, hmm, i've seen that in the alsa wiki i think

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kormoc:

corpix, your qt doesn't have opengl bindings or you don't have opengl support?

[23:08:14]

corpix:

kormoc, both is ok/didnt change

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kormoc:

corpix, so what did you do to cause those messages to show up?

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vividan:

kormoc: backtrace?

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JasonX:

corpix : where? I've been reading the alsa wiki for many hours (http://alsa.opensrc.org/)

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corpix:

the latest mythtv ebuild (not the svn one )

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kormoc:

vividan, yeah, mythweb's error system emails a error message out

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kormoc:

vividan, likely to some address @ dnsalias.net if you didn't set it

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corpix:

JasonX, hmm, sorry, then i found it somewhere can't remember that url, but google helped me out, i'd paste the conf, but the box is down

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vividan:

kormoc: no mail settings ahve been configured... and I'm not running a mail server

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kormoc:

vividan, you don't have sendmail installed?

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JasonX:

corpix : i've been reading and googling for about 6 hours now

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vividan:

kormoc: yeah

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

vividan, well, check ~/dead.letter then

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corpix:

kormoc, what could i do ? i have "opengl" in my $USE

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JasonX:

lots of talk about doinng many things to sound cards but not to make audio go to both analog & digital, can you remember whether it used snoop or dmix or something or ...

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vividan:

kormoc: under which account?

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corpix:

also tried revdep-rebuild

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kormoc:

vividan, well, likly under apache which doesn't have a home dir, so check under /root/dead.letter

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corpix:

JasonX, dmix

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kormoc:

corpix, JasonX, dmix mixes multiple inputs to a single output, snoop takes multiple external inputs and mixes it to a single input.

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corpix:

JasonX, http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/archive/index.php/t-13026.html

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vividan:

kormoc: I'm not seeing anything relavent

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corpix:

JasonX, in german, but it could help

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JasonX:

kormox : so do u know is there one that makes 1 -> many

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JasonX:

i'll check it out

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kormoc:

vividan, usually mythweb sends a email backtrace of all the envirnment vars and what not.

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kormoc:

JasonX, alas, no I don't

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JasonX:

i read some german ones earlier i think

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JasonX:

though its all greek to me

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corpix:

JasonX, the pasted conf is reported to work there

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JasonX:

off to altavista i guess

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vividan:

kormoc: sorry, I'm not finding anything

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kormoc:

okay...

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kormoc:

vividan, in modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php

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kormoc:

vividan, put in a <?php echo print_r($_SERVER['db_name']); ?> and see if it outputs the correct db name

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JasonX:

corpix : no that conf is the same as the one i already use that gives EITHER analog or digital i want both

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vividan:

kormoc: where is that anchored?

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kormoc:

vividan, hrm?

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vividan:

kormoc: what modules directory?

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JasonX:

under windows all sound cards have audio out of both analog and digital, is this not usual under linux

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kormoc:

vividan, in your mythweb directory

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corpix:

JasonX, true ;)

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JasonX:

corpix : so u r saying you have a conf that WILL do this, but just your box is down. As in it is possible as i dont wanna keep trying to do it if it cant be done

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vividan:

kormoc: ok, nothing below modules/ in that path exists.. so I'm creating it

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kormoc:

vividan, ooh! oops.

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kormoc:

vividan, I'm using mythweb svn, and you're not

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vividan:

kormoc: hehe, nope. I'm using gentoo's package

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kormoc:

vividan, just in the root of mythweb, find | grep db_vars_error.php and use whatever file it finds

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corpix:

JasonX, the psu is blown in that box, need to get a new one first

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corpix:

;(

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vividan:

kormoc: fyi, it's in templates/

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corpix:

JasonX, btw it was an enermax, who could have thought that ?!! ;)

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JasonX:

corpix : r u saying you definately were able to get audio out of both analog and digital at same time though as in its worth me continuing my guesswork

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vividan:

kormoc: haha, it's '1'

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corpix:

JasonX, definately, _both_ at the same time.

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kormoc:

vividan, it's not getting set then, it should have been a array with db_name and db_user and so on

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vividan:

kormoc: yeah... so it's an apache problem?

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vividan:

kormoc: mythweb/.htaccess is set correctly

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JasonX:

corpix : ok i will continue then, i hope it will be able to do ac3 pass thru AND downmix to analog stereo as well

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kormoc:

vividan, /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_env.so exists?

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vividan:

kormoc: correct

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kormoc:

vividan, grep m

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kormoc:

od_env /etc/apache2/httpd.conf returns something similar to: LoadModule env_module modules/mod_env.so ?

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corpix:

hmm, i cant get the "QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current." – issue fixed

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kormoc:

corpix, glxinfo | grep -i direct shows direct rendering enabled?

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JasonX:

ahh i found a new link that looks promising

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corpix:

kormoc, yes

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kormoc:

odd

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vividan:

kormoc: it's there

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corpix:

hmm, i gonna try the svn again

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corpix:

brb

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kormoc:

vividan, so then it's down to the AllowOverrides settings

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kormoc:

vividan, care to look up what you have it set to and share?

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vividan:

kormoc: not a problem

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vividan:

kormoc: I have no apache2.conf file, that is set in commonapache2.conf

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kormoc:

fair nuff, tho usually it is set in the vhost file

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kormoc:

apache2.conf is the same as httpd.conf btw

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vividan:

kormoc: ah

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vividan:

kormoc: ok, vhost is a dir

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kormoc:

yeah, you should have a file for each vhost you are running

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vividan:

kormoc: dear lord.. I think it's finaly working.

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kormoc:

yay :)

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vividan:

can't login to my own server :(

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vividan:

kormoc: grrr, I feel dump now I can't get logged into the site :(

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kormoc:

well, that all depends on how you setup the htdigest

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vividan:

I have no real experience with web access configuration

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vividan:

I have used htaccess (program) to try and create a password file

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vividan:

but it's not working

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vividan:

kormoc: mind helping me?

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kormoc:

so it prompts you and you didn't create the prompt?

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vividan:

yeah

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kormoc:

that doesn't make any sense...

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corpix:

kormoc, it was the new gf7800gtx ;)

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vividan:

kormoc: :(

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corpix:

i guess it isnt fully supported or somesuch, although i just played q4

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kormoc:

vividan, what driver revision?

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

corpix, what driver revision

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vividan:

hehe :)

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kormoc:

vividan, well, you can delete the digest file and the .htpassword file if they are there

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corpix:

Latest version available: 1.0.8178-r1

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corpix:

=installed

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vividan:

corpix: I've had problems with specific driver versions.. stepping back a couple releases generaly fixes the problem

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corpix:

vividan, not here, wasnt able to play q4 with lower versions

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kormoc:

well, that release supports that hardware just fine

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corpix:

thats the price for bleeding edge

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vividan:

corpix: ah

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kormoc:

7800 gtx is hardly bleeding edge anymore :)

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corpix:

no ?

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corpix:

i m not up to date, what have they got now ?

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kormoc:

7900 GTX is the newest

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corpix:

oh

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kormoc:

and it has some driver issues at the moment

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corpix:

i am not a gamer, i got it donated

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kormoc:

ooh, that's handy

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corpix:

i wouldnt spend 400€ for a card

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kormoc:

so what did you do to get it donated?

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corpix:

http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/

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corpix:

i was damn surprised

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kormoc:

yeah, understanably

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corpix:

i should sell it and put some stuff into my fridge ;)

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corpix:

it surely was such kind of "i want always the latest graphics card" – guy

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corpix:

but .... long live that guy

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corpix:

;)

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kormoc:

hehe

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