Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, April 1st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

lasses with the 'five head' look (think forehead, only more so) pushing buggies with 10 kids... lads in trackies wadering around with cans of Special Brew...

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Kelerion:

and the dark sunken eyes?

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Juski:

yep

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Kelerion:

yup.. know it well.. lol

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Juski:

they all look so fucking _happy_ too... what's with that </sarcasm>

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Juski:

;-)

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Juski:

this made me guffaw tonight: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti . . . did=36897716

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Juski:

... or it might have been the wine...

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Kelerion:

probably :)

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Juski:

hate is a nasty, nasty word. but I really do despise Jo Whiley

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Juski:

I am SO gonna show my wife this : http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti . . . did=49985690

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Kelerion:

Juski: your more than a little strange.. ok? :P

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

too pissed to care...

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Juski:

but hey we're all linux users right ;-)

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Kelerion:

hell yeah.. lol

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Juski:

to some, my strangeness knows no bounds. but that;s another story!

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Kelerion:

don't say anything you might regret tomorrow :P

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Juski:

yerrrs

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Juski:

not really one for drunken confessions. google groups gives away all

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Juski:

or it used to, before I emailed em to have some posts removed.. lol

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Kelerion:

whats the telnet port for FE again?

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Juski:

erm...

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Kelerion:

6546

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Kelerion:

there we go.. time to watch my poker :)

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Juski:

poker? oh dear

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Kelerion:

I know.. am one of those ..lol

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Juski:

there's a strange smell of ozone in the air tonight

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Kelerion:

erm.. ozone?

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Juski:

yeh.. just opened the window for a bit

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Juski:

can smell ozone.. weird

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

sure the wine hasn't screwed your nose?

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Juski:

not quite sure, no

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Juski:

lol

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Kelerion:

I'll stick with my lager... am not posh enough to drink wine :P

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Juski:

god, lugradiolive is gonna be fun on a stick... the juski pissed beyond all recognition...

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** Juski dreads the photos **

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Kelerion:

it's gonna be: juski==fubar?

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Juski:

one of the blog comments "reminder to self... remember to wear clothes when visiting the hotel pool" planted an idea in my subconcious I'm sure

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Kelerion:

lol

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Juski:

need to get some practice in before that event I tell ya

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Kelerion:

you ever listened to any Bill Engvall?

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Juski:

don't think so

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Kelerion:

get your hands on some of his "Heres Your sign" stuff.. hilarious

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Kelerion:

I bet some of these americans have heard him

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Juski:

better than lugradio? never!!!!

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Juski:

</sarcasm>

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Kelerion:

you'd love the stuff about how stupid people can be

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Juski:

mmmyerrrs

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Juski:

free to download?

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Kelerion:

hmm.. unlikely

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Juski:

'nuff said then

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Kelerion:

but if your a dbox user.. that shouldn't be a problem :P

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Juski:

ahem!

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** Kelerion grins **

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Juski:

not in the truest sense of the words, no

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Kelerion:

am better you have one or more german imports of cables boxes lying around :)

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Kelerion:

betting..even

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Juski:

whatever makes you think that?

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Juski:

just the one... and I only use it to get what I already got

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Juski:

most seriously

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Kelerion:

it was a guess based on a friend of mine thats into his electronics

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Juski:

well those dboxes are cool enough per se, but they're based on l337 craxx0r software

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Juski:

which is, at best very shitty

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Juski:

and sloppily written

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Servo888:

woah crap... frogot about that, I need a cdrom drive to install ubuntu... hehe

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Juski:

hence mythtv managing to crash the dbox's http daemon on demand

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Juski:

lol

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Kelerion:

do the release updates regularly? I remember you saying the http server was crap

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Juski:

updates are mostly for schmucks

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Juski:

feature doesn't work.. try an update... still doesn't work.. try the next update (etc)

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Kelerion:

ah

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Juski:

stable enough as it is, but I don;t use the network streaming stuff

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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Juski:

it's a ball-ache, and all that updatng isn't good for the flash

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Beirdo:

my streaming radio capturer is ready for my abuse

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kormoc:

nifty :)

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Beirdo:

it now is capable of recording several at a time (and about time)

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Juski:

so does .rm play okay in 'nux?

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Beirdo:

yes.

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Beirdo:

mplayer

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Beirdo:

with w32codecs (I believe)

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Juski:

mplayer plays rm?

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Juski:

8-)

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and wma

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Kelerion:

I didn't know that

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Beirdo:

and ogg

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Kelerion:

knew about wma

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Beirdo:

:)

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Kelerion:

didn't know about rm

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Juski:

they is gonna get their asses sued bigstyle one day I bet

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Beirdo:

and it will to .ram playlists

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Kelerion:

mplayer is some kinda work

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kormoc:

Juski, why? they're using the windows dll files

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Beirdo:

kormoc, don't be sensible

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Juski:

well.. in that case.... suckers!!!

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Beirdo:

think like a corporate lawyer minion

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kormoc:

heh

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Juski:

and all in a 'we're not gonna take over your PC' style.. I'd like that a lot

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's pretty cool

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Kelerion:

they're not as bad as norton

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Juski:

at work I heard we have a kind of 'war chest' incase the shit ever hits the fan with ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

a wise choice

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kormoc:

Juski, gonna dress up in chainmail and go at the lawyers?

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Juski:

I hope its a fat chest though

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Beirdo:

you hope it's a Playboy centerfold?

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Juski:

if it's easy enough to reverse engineer it's fair game, I reckon

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Beirdo:

I'd have to agree

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Beirdo:

but I ain't a lawyer

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Kelerion:

the lawyers might argue.. but I agree

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Beirdo:

just someone trying to be sensible

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Juski:

layers are scum === fact

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kormoc:

well, depends on how easy is easy

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Beirdo:

kormoc, not prom date easy, I'm sure

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kormoc:

cuase with most of them, it's one or two people doing the work, for everyone to enjoy

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Juski:

I look at it the way insurance companies operate

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Juski:

you were burgled, but you left the front door unlocked...

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Juski:

"hard luck"

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Beirdo:

fuck the insurance scammers

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** Juski hides from the black helicopters **

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kormoc:

Juski, it's more like, you were burgled, but you only had motion detectors and alarm systems, and forgot about the chimney

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Beirdo:

I have less use for insurance assholes than I have for Microsoft

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Juski:

well, even assholes have a use

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Beirdo:

exit only

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Juski:

indeed

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Beirdo:

others may disagree, but that's my policy

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kormoc:

I've spent five years of my life trying to invent an anal bum cover

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Beirdo:

Oooook

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

failing to do so is my greatest regret!

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D-side:

wow. then.

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Kelerion:

kormoc: they are called underpants

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Beirdo:

chased off a n00b with that one, kormoc

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kormoc:

Beirdo, not a celebrity jeopardy fan?

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Juski:

try wearing colours that don;t co-ordinate when you;re in a gay bay in future ;-)

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Beirdo:

never seen it

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kormoc:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/00/00hjeopardy.phtml

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kormoc:

It's the absolute best skit saturday night has ever done

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Beirdo:

well, I'd better go some packing before I get my ass kicked :)

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Beirdo:

be back in a while

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** Juski reads Sean Connery: What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold? One's a sick duck and I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore. **

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Juski:

and laughs...

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Juski:

oh hell... on that note I;d better retire

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kormoc:

http://thetravisty.com/Celebrity_Jeopardy/wmv . . . _Connery.htm

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kormoc:

there's the video if anyone wants to watch it :)

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Kelerion:

me too.. g'night all

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xris:

ok, since I pasted it everywhere else, I'll include it here, too... new trac-friendly html-email-capable subversion commit script: http://webdev.siliconmechanics.com/commit-email.pl.txt

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marcus2:

so i just upgraded from 0.18.1 to 0.19, and now livetv is broken

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marcus2:

the frontend says 'invalid file (fd 16) when opening ...'

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marcus2:

but the file that its trying to open is definitely there (but zero length)

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sunnyhours4130:

If (after initally compiling for 2 plugins) I want to add an additional one, do i have to reconfigured and recompile mythplugins?

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pjn:

anybody got a source on vga->composite video converters that are cheap (i've got an hp-evectra that I want to use as a frontend)

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sunnyhours4130:

think i've seen them on ebay for like 50–70

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pjn:

50–70 whats?

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sunnyhours4130:

you mean the little box thingie right?

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sunnyhours4130:

oh, US dollars

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pjn:

box thingy, adapter thingy, I'm not sure what's available

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah. your frontend doesn't have video out?

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pjn:

I'm in .au and I've googled this up http://tinyurl.com/oghyq

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pjn:

the evectra is small & quiet and only has vga out

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eiggirC:

pjn: go treat yourself to a nice 17" LCD or a big used 21" CRT

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sunnyhours4130:

okay yeah.... i saw similar on ebay for like 60 us dollars or so

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah, what kind of TV you want to go out to? =)

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pjn:

just a cheapy 34cm that I've got in the bedroom

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pjn:

I was sort of hoping I could find something for AU$50

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sunnyhours4130:

if i'm right... 34cm is smaller than a 17" CRT monitor. how much would one of those cost you?

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pjn:

I've got the tv already

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pjn:

and it comes with a remote to turn it off

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pjn:

(I've also got a 17" monitor spare)

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sunnyhours4130:

oh true.... remote is nice

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pjn:

ebay might be a go

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah i think your best bet would be finding that similar item on ebay. if they ship to au

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** pjn has a look **

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** pjn wonders if a p3–600 has enough grunt to decode sdtv mpeg2 (dvb-t) or 624x352 mpeg4 stream **

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xris:

pjn: mpeg2, probably

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simcop2387:

mpeg2 definately i've done it on a 600mhz athlon, not sure about mpeg4, but i think so

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sunnyhours4130:

brb

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simcop2387:

anyone here think that the pvr150 does better quality than a 250?

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kormoc:

simcop2387, I've only heard that they're the same or better

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simcop2387:

kormoc: well i haven't done a side by side but from what i've seen of my parents 250 and my 150 i think my 150 is doing better quality at the same bitrate

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sunnyhours4130:

are the 150s hard to set up?

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sunnyhours4130:

does ivtv support them?

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xris:

no and yes

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sunnyhours4130:

oh nice

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sunnyhours4130:

i should pick one up. i'm rocking an avermedia m179. not the best quality

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Servo888:

awww no ivtv in ubuntu's package system. That kind of sucks.

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pjn:

cat ~/backup/stuff/passwd

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serious:

Hi, I have a Dell Optiplex GX150 slimline machine i'd like to turn in to a MythTV box. The only prob is that it takes the small PCI cards. It is proving hard to get a tuner card to go in. What are my options?

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pjn:

low profile?

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pjn:

I mean, only takes low profile pci cards

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serious:

pjn: yeah. Thats right, about half the height. I could put a regular card in, but the case would have to be open! :P

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pjn:

I got a twinhan dvb-t low profile card from umart.com.au a while back

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pjn:

but it'll only be good to you if you get good tv reception (the tuner is weak)

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pjn:

They make no distinction between low profile and full height cards on the site

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serious:

oh... what about something like http://www.xpcgear.com/wintvpvr150mcl.html

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pjn:

yup, that looks low profile to me

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serious:

umart.com.au you say

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serious:

i've read a bit... but I suppose there is no external capture cards that I can use? The USB products don't really seem to be supported

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Servo888:

What was that tiny rat manager called?

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Servo888:

Something rat... ratbox.. maybe?...

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Servo888:

no something els

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Beirdo:

ratpoison

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Servo888:

there we go

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Servo888:

To open an x terminal hit C-t c. – wtf?... control c?

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Servo888:

C minus sign t c?...

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Zodiacal:

anyone know if mythtv can be used as a media center, i don't want to record anything on it, i just want to stream video from a windows box on my lan..

[03:03:21]

Zodiacal:

is mythtv a good choice for that?

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Servo888:

That's like asking if a toaster would be a good choice for microwaving a hotpocket

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Zodiacal:

okie then.. :P

[03:05:08]

Zodiacal:

know of a better program?

[03:05:13]

Zodiacal:

that fits my needs off hand?

[03:05:31]

Beirdo:

videolan

[03:05:45]

Zodiacal:

i'll go check that out right now

[03:05:51]

Zodiacal:

beirdo, servo888 Thank You!

[03:06:03]

Beirdo:

there are likely others too

[03:06:08]

Servo888:

Zodiacal, there is a video plugin for mythtv. Not sure if it's mature enough to handle that though

[03:06:23]

Zodiacal:

can this stream from a windows SMB share?

[03:06:34]

Servo888:

If you mount the smb share

[03:06:39]

Zodiacal:

ic

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Servo888:

oh also give freevo a look at.

[03:06:55]

Beirdo:

true

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Zodiacal:

basicly i want somthing that i can use with a remove control easily.. i.e. menu etc..

[03:07:04]

Zodiacal:

thats all really

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Servo888:

Zodiacal, well if you can mount the samba shares, then you could use freevo, to surf through directories and watch videos / music

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Zodiacal:

coolness

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Plex:

hello

[03:23:55]

Plex:

anyone know why mythdora wouldn't see my pvr-150?

[03:24:12]

eiggirC:

start a command prompt

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eiggirC:

run lspci

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Plex:

ok

[03:24:21]

eiggirC:

or cat /proc/pci

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Plex:

I'll need to booth the thing again

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eiggirC:

if that shows no PVR-150 or something like this

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eiggirC:

0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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eiggirC:

then the machine can't see it either

[03:25:38]

Plex:

ok, one minute

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Plex:

it's rebooting

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Plex:

it shows the multimedia video controller

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Plex:

Internext Compression Inc iTVC16

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eiggirC:

good

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eiggirC:

the machine can see it physically

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Plex:

ok, that's good

[03:28:02]

eiggirC:

now look at dmesg output

[03:28:13]

eiggirC:

you're looking for something called ivtv

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eiggirC:

thats the kernel driver that deals with that card

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Plex:

i type that in the terminal?

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eiggirC:

yes

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eiggirC:

dmesg

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Plex:

ivtv0

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Plex:

i2c attach to card #0 ok

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eiggirC:

okay good

[03:29:52]

eiggirC:

so it should be working fine

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Plex:

when I go to watch TV it's just a black screen

[03:30:29]

eiggirC:

is anyone else awake to help? I'm out of ideas

[03:30:56]

eiggirC:

Plex: it may be firmware loading, or it may be tuning

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Plex:

do you know how to tune?

[03:31:06]

eiggirC:

but I'm out of iceas sorry

[03:31:12]

eiggirC:

in mythdora? no idea

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Plex:

yes

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eiggirC:

try running mythtv-setup

[03:31:30]

Plex:

yeah, I've done that. select tuner

[03:31:37]

Plex:

it just doesn't show

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Plex:

ugh, so frustrating

[03:32:26]

Plex:

do you recommend another install?

[03:33:37]

[1]thomasd:

does anyone know about the hardware setup on a prv-350?

[03:33:48]

Plex:

does anyone know how to stop the backend?

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[1]thomasd:

if i connect the card out to my tv, the audio works but is low

[03:34:00]

tomacco:

/etc/init.d/myth-backend stop

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[1]thomasd:

if i connect it to line in on my sound card and then the out of the sound card to the tv, it doesnt work

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Plex:

tomacco: no such file or directory

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** xris grumbles about april 1 jokes already starting on /. **

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Plex:

would people recommend knoppmyth or mythdora?

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xris:

fedora

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xris:

Plex: but more importantly, which distro are you more familiar with: debian or fedora?

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Plex:

xris: that's the kicker. NEITHER. I'm darwin OSX :-)

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Beirdo:

you're trying to run the backend on OSX?

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Beirdo:

give up now. :)

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Plex:

no :-)

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Plex:

it's on a pc bodx

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Plex:

box

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xris:

Plex: personally, I think fedora is one of the easier distros to use.. but a lot of people use knopmyth. not sure how many people use mythdora (based on fedora)

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Plex:

I'm just not familiar with Linux at all, unfortunately

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xris:

I generally recommend that new people check out jarod's guide for fedora (use core 4, not core 5, since core5 just came out last week and is still a bit new)

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Plex:

xris: maybe I'll do a full install when I have some more time, instead of one of these packages

[03:45:28]

xris:

Plex: then go with knopmyth.. it's been around longer, has a larger user base.

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braniff:

what is the current state of mythtv with HD capture cards ??

[03:47:44]

DrBair:

every stations works fine except one, channel 67. Any ideas why?

[03:47:48]

Plex:

thanks xris

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Plex:

I was having problems getting my card to work under mythdora

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xris:

Plex: if you're just trying out a livecd type thing, knopmyth is pretty good. If you're going for a full system install, I personally find getting myth stuff working under fedora easier, for the sole reason that most of the special packages are easily available.

[03:50:05]

braniff:

ubuntu is easy too

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Plex:

xris: ok, thanks. I was unable to get the tuner card working on mythdora – maybe the full install would allow that

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xris:

Plex: which tuner?

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Plex:

pvr-150

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xris:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

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xris:

follow that guide if you use fedora

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Plex:

great, thanks

[03:52:16]

Plex:

how long does that process take, would you say?

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xris:

I think most people here use a full-distro type install (fedora, gentoo and ubuntu being the most popular)... next largest group uses knopmyth.

[03:52:53]

xris:

no clue on how long. it's been a LONG time since I rebuild my mythbox from scratch, and I knew what I was doing at that point.

[03:53:07]

xris:

maybe 2–3 hours for someone inexperienced with linux

[03:53:16]

xris:

probably more

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braniff:

the hardest part for me was making my own cable to change channels on my satellite box...

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Plex:

ok, thanks!

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Plex:

g'night all

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xris:

braniff: yeah, getting lirc working to do that was a pita.

[03:55:12]

braniff:

these days though getting just a frontend working takes maybe 20 minutes

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xris:

yeah

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braniff:

mythtv has come a long way in 2 years

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xris:

3 for me, and yes, quite a bit

[03:55:50]

xris:

esp. mythweb. ;)

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** xris goes back to getting rid of mythweb's config files. **

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braniff:

heh mythweb kicks ass

[03:58:06]

xris:

and I hope it can only get better

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braniff:

any cool new mythweb features coming out ?

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xris:

settings esitor

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xris:

editor

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xris:

and I'm trying to get rid of all of the config fiels.

[03:59:09]

xris:

fields.

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braniff:

ah

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xris:

2 more settings to go

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xris:

there's a recording stats page from kormoc, too

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mchou:

haha

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braniff:

some guy the other day said he had a 4 terabytes of disk space dedicated to mythtv

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braniff:

that's alot of shows!

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mchou:

wonder if that was beirdo

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no

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mchou:

4 TB for shows is just ridiculous

[04:02:08]

Beirdo:

whatever

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mchou:

the guy might as well go into business as a PPV provider

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Beirdo:

you know, other people have different ideas than you, mchou.

[04:02:25]

braniff:

no kidding

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mchou:

Beirdo: unless the dude had a family of more than 10 ppl I'd say 4TB is ridiculous

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Igg-man:

My brother has 1.2TB of space for mythtv

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mchou:

1TB would at least be understandable

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Beirdo:

and nobody needs more than 640kB memory either

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** braniff barely fills 300GB in a year **

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braniff:

with shows

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** xris has 100M or so **

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xris:

er, 100G

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Igg-man:

He intends on keeping every episode of some shows though, so I can understand

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Beirdo:

I can't get below 300G at any point in time, it seems

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mchou:

there arent enough hrs in a day to watch 4TB worth of shows :)

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braniff:

you could make your own Echelon type thing using 4TB...scan for certain words with speech recognition software on all news shows on a certain channel i suppose...hmm

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Beirdo:

mchou: maybe he records all HDTV too

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mchou:

Beirdo: and your point is? 1 hr HD~=10GB

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Beirdo:

4TB is what? 400h?

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Beirdo:

not that ridiculous

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mchou:

If you're storing any more than 200 hrs worth of tv you sure aint watching them :)

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Beirdo:

whatever

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mchou:

and probably not likely to either

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xris:

Beirdo: btw, I made that email script even better

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Beirdo:

cool :)

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pjn:

are there prepackaged debs for debian sarge for mythtv 0.19?

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pjn:

if so, where are they?

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pjn:

found them, don't worry

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D-side:

oh good, i wasn't sure if i'd be able to sleep tonight.

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D-side:

:D

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D-side:

i ate too much and now i'm utterly useless.

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pjn:

I generally start out useless, and improve from there

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Puh:

livetv recording keeps running and reserves one tuner if i stop the frontend by switching my xbox off

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D-side:

so.. dont do that

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Puh:

:)

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D-side:

hit stop first.

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Puh:

have to instruct family members accordingly :)

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D-side:

oh.

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** braniff thinks a yellow sticky note might do the trick **

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D-side:

cant you soft-disable the power button in xbmc?

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D-side:

or are you actually running linux on it

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braniff:

sticky note would be less time consuming

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braniff:

though it would be worse for the environment...

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Anduin:

xris: That is what mythvideo uses it for.

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xris:

Anduin: cool. that's the last config option I have to move into the database. And in this case, I can use the settings already there.

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lngndvs:

I live on an island with a mixture of live by satellite and timeshifted (by a week) cable channels. How can I populate the database with only channel numbers. This is ntsc. With a plextor TV402U on a gentoo box.

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lngndvs:

Very light traffic

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mchou:

lngndvs: where do you live?

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pjn:

well a p3–600 can decode mpeg4 at 1500kbps encodign rate with about 50%cpu

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Plex:

If i want to install Fedora 4, do I download the i386 distro?

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Anduin:

Plex: If you have to ask, probably.

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xris:

Plex: assuming that you don't have a 64bit proc, yes

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marcus2:

is there some trick for getting mythtv to turn the screen back on when the remote control is used, after dpms has turned it off?

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rjune:

does anybody know of a tool to set the serial # of an ogg vorbis file?

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Anduin:

marcus2: Hit a key.

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marcus2:

yeah well

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marcus2:

that doesnt answer my question :)

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marcus2:

i know i can hit a key on the kb, but thats a lousy user experience

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Anduin:

marcus2: A key on the remote should work as well.

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marcus2:

nope, it doesnt

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marcus2:

the remote works while the screen is off, but it doesnt cause the screen to come back on

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Anduin:

marcus2: You enable the scree saver stuff?

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marcus2:

enable it how? mythtv is compiled with dpms support if thats whta you mean

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Anduin:

marcus2: Native lirc?

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marcus2:

yep

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slugger:

Any scheduler devs in the room? An override rule being created for an active recording is being marked as "Not Listed" by the scheduler. What would cause this?

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Anduin:

marcus2: It resets here.

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Anduin:

slugger: You'll probably have better luck on the mail list.

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marcus2:

wierd

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marcus2:

i wonder what i'm doing wrong

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marcus2:

hmm

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marcus2:

do you use it with xscreensaver?

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Anduin:

marcus2: No, just dpms.

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achew22:

hey all

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achew22:

who all is up?

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xris:

achew22: I still am

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xris:

trying to fix the build-from-svn specs on the wiki

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achew22:

xris how are you?

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xris:

not bad

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achew22:

are you any good with regexp?

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rjune:

hey xris

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rjune:

what's nwe?

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achew22:

rjune... what is "nwe?"

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xris:

?

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achew22:

sounds exotic

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xris:

achew22: yeah, quite good with regex

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rjune:

new

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rjune:

xris is a smart guy, I'm sure he can write a regex to fix that

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achew22:

xris, I am making a shell script that will install myth really easily on ubuntu. I would like ot parse out 2.6.12 from uname-r but my regexp of 'd.d.d' reurns 2.6.12–10

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xris:

no need for regex. heh

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achew22:

any ideas?

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rjune:

what does uname -r return on your machine?

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achew22:

2.6.12-10–386

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xris:

2.6.16–1.2080_FC5

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rjune:

xris: that was for achew

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xris:

oh

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xris:

sorry, your names come up the same color...

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rjune:

KVER="$(uname -r | cut -f 1 -d -)"

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rjune:

try that

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rjune:

how you like fc5 so far?

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xris:

achew22: what rjune said is probably easier. I couldn't get sed to do its thing, either. I'm better with regex itself than sed, though (mostly perl)

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xris:

rjune: pretty good. it's zippy.

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achew22:

what the crap

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rjune:

I like sed

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rjune:

but for some stuff, cut is way easier

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rjune:

what's up achew22

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achew22:

if [ "$ivtv" = "y" || "$ivtv" = "yes" ] ; then

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achew22:

that is returning an error

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achew22:

line 26: [: missing `]'

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xris:

achew22: does || work? I always use -o

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achew22:

it was working earlier

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rjune:

shouldn't it be more like if [ [ "$ivtv" = "y" ] -o [ "$ivtv" = "yes" ] ] ; then

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rjune:

maybe ivtv isn't set then

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achew22:

weird... it worked earlier

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achew22:

but i'll go with what you said

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xris:

rjune: should only need one call to test

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achew22:

wait... it says too many arguments

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rjune:

if you say so.

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rjune:

achew22: I don't do the -o ofthen, I could be wrong

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achew22:

xirs, if [ "$ivtv" = "y" -o "$ivtv" = "yes" ] ; then is that the syntax?

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xris:

I think so

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

damn now i'm geting a shitload of errors....

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achew22:

what the crap... why isn't = command found

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achew22:

i'm going to go downstairs and kick the box

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achew22:

okay... $VERSION = "$(uname -r | cut -f 1 -d -)"; whats wrong with that?

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rjune:

a lot

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rjune:

no dollarsign in VERSION

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rjune:

no spaces before and after teh =

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achew22:

don't you need to add a $ to make it a string?

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rjune:

no

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rjune:

bash is magical like that

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xris:

achew22: $ us for access, not assignment

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achew22:

okay... now were getting somewhere

[08:30:04]

achew22:

can you add color to this?

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rjune:

uhhh. yeah, if you echo the ANSI codes

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xris:

achew22: eg. x="echo 'hi'" ; $x

[08:30:33]

achew22:

okay

[08:31:02]

achew22:

its learning time

[08:31:36]

achew22:

do either of you run ubuntu?

[08:31:39]

xris:

color gets all kinds of messy

[08:31:44]

xris:

achew22: I did until last tuesday

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rjune:

nope we both use fc5

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xris:

didn't care for it

[08:31:52]

achew22:

damn...

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xris:

Beirdo does, but he better be asleep by now

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rjune:

LOL

[08:32:22]

xris:

and most of the core devs do

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achew22:

I doubt he would want to scratch his system for this.....

[08:32:40]

xris:

heh

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achew22:

is there a command that will open a file and add a var to the end of a line

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xris:

?

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xris:

not sure what you mean

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rjune:

what he said

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achew22:

I need to tell the script to open a file (/usr/src/linux/Makefile) and change the line that says EXTRAVERSION= to EXTRAVERSION=$EXTRAVERSION

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achew22:

$EXTRAVERSION being a var

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rjune:

sure.

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achew22:

you know the cut command... is there a way to make it cut after the -

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rjune:

sed s/^EXTRAVERSION=.*$/EXTRAVERSION=${EXTRAVERSION}/g Makefile

[08:34:39]

rjune:

something like that ought to work

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xris:

rjune: sed -i

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rjune:

-f is field in cut

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xris:

-i is "edit in place" rather than epit to stdout

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xris:

edit

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rjune:

so -f1 is field one, -f 2 is field to

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rjune:

xris: Oooooo, me likey

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achew22:

one sec — leme write the sed thing down

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** dtm hands achew22 a clipboard **

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rjune:

achew22: man cut and man sed are probably enlightening. they usually are for me.

[08:35:31]

achew22:

i need it

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xris:

rjune: I spend a fair amount of time cleaning "perl -pi" out of spec files... that's identical to "sed -i"

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rjune:

heh

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xris:

why run perl in sed mode when you can just run sed?

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** dtm hands achew22 a text editor **

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** dtm thunks the two together demonstratively **

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rjune:

does seem to defeat the purpose

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xris:

rjune: it's silly. sed is so much smaller/faster than perl for that kind of stuff

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xris:

me kicks rpmbuild for being stupid

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rjune:

you building 0.19 for fc5?

[08:37:38]

xris:

no, I'm fixing the svn spec posted on the wiki

[08:37:42]

rjune:

ah

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xris:

I've had myth svn running in fc5 for awhile now

[08:38:16]

rjune:

I have the packages for .19, need to clean them up and get them to livna

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xris:

.19 shouldn't be too hard. just need to change a couple of dependencies around.

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xris:

is there a way to get the libXvMCW-devel library into livna? last I looked, there were still a couple of packages I had to grab from atrpms

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rjune:

I don't know. what's it do?

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rjune:

if it's not redistributable, it wont' make it

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rjune:

that's why the win32 codec pkg never made it to livna

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xris:

no clue. but I thought the whole point of livna was to do those kinds of packages.

[08:39:54]

xris:

axel may have gotten permission, too

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xris:

ahh, it's actually the libXvMCW package.. -devel is empty

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rjune:

livna is still GPL, but it's patent encumberd stuff

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rjune:

so what is XvMCW for?

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rjune:

well, OSS

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xris:

it's for nvidia xvmc

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xris:

something you'll want to have enabled in the default package

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rjune:

Anvil in #fedora can tell you more

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xris:

fedora really needs a multiverse. heh

[08:42:44]

rjune:

I'll check the license, if it's redistributable, then it should be ok

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achew22:

is there a length command and substring command?

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xris:

achew22: man bash, man test

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achew22:

ooh....

[08:43:41]

achew22:

test looks like it can do it

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xris:

test is the [ character

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xris:

it's an alias

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rjune:

you want a strlen command?

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rjune:

echo -n $STR | wc -b

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achew22:

this man page is huge leme see if I can find it in there

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rjune:

sometimes I think I use bash way too much

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xris:

rjune: looks like libXvMCW is somehow related to unichrome. freshrpms used to have it

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achew22:

rjune the length only helps if I have a substring command though....

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xris:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102048 (xvmc wrapper)

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rjune:

achew22: what do you want to do?

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rjune:

write it in C

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achew22:

I want the text after 2.6.12 in 2.6.12-10–386

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rjune:

uname -r | cut -f 2- -d-

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xris:

rjune: anyway, package used to be in freshrpms.. it's not now, dunno why.

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achew22:

rjune — why does that work but not "uname -r | cut -f 2 -d -"

[08:48:19]

rjune:

note the 2- in my command

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rjune:

that says field two and later

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achew22:

does the 2- make it go from 2 to the end

[08:48:31]

achew22:

good to know

[08:48:33]

dtm:

achew22: yeah

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achew22:

its like that in mirc scripting for vars...

[08:48:50]

rjune:

is there a command to read mp3 tags and print them to the console like vorbiscomment?

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achew22:

rjune write it in c;)

[08:49:23]

rjune:

achew22: something has to exist.

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rjune:

if not, I will

[08:49:33]

achew22:

id3 tags are easy

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achew22:

its what... the last 256 chars of a mp3 file

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rjune:

no clue.

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xris:

achew22: v2 aren't so easy, though.

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achew22:

no they arent

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CpuID2:

hmm, anyone here using mythtv with --disable-frontend? im curious if its possible to get by without QT if theres no frontend

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achew22:

I wrote a parser for v1 in asp

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xris:

CpuID2: no, backend uses qt's video/audio handling routines (among other things)

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CpuID2:

ah k np

[08:51:58]

CpuID2:

thats cool

[08:52:05]

achew22:

holy shit... i have my 5 month today....

[08:52:07]

xris:

not imho, but we don't have much choice.

[08:52:45]

CpuID2:

hehe point :)

[08:53:59]

CpuID2:

such a pity that qt then relies on xorg it seems

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CpuID2:

at least in part

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xris:

depends on how you compile it, I think.

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CpuID2:

oh interesting

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CpuID2:

so technically mythtv without a frontend wouldnt really need xorg, or a qt built against xorg right?

[08:55:24]

CpuID2:

just some of its other video/audio handling libs

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[1]pixel:

o.o

[08:55:27]

achew22:

i don't think so

[08:55:33]

[1]pixel:

I'm new

[08:55:46]

[1]pixel:

I can't run mythtv on my slackware

[08:55:51]

achew22:

why?

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xris:

CpuID2: not sure.. my guess is that it probably still wouldn't work.. you need to run mythtv-setup even on the backend, and that's graphical

[08:56:08]

CpuID2:

point

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achew22:

[1]pixel why can't you run it?

[08:56:16]

[1]pixel:

maybe mysql breaks balls

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CpuID2:

arrg, thats graphical, hmm the plot thickens

[08:56:35]

CpuID2:

theres no curses based mythtv-setup?

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xris:

nope

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achew22:

xris — if you set it up on a machine with x then you can export the config and move it over

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[1]pixel:

can I post some log from the shell?

[08:57:08]

achew22:

no

[08:57:10]

achew22:

put it on pastebin

[08:57:16]

xris:

achew22: yes. possible, but annoying and imho not work it.

[08:57:24]

xris:

X doesn't take up THAT much disk space

[08:57:33]

achew22:

xris has a good point

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CpuID2:

hmm what a nice PITA, hate to have a backend with no monitor :)

[08:57:38]

CpuID2:

xris: not the point :)

[08:57:52]

CpuID2:

the point of having xorg's cruft hanging around when its not used is the point :)

[08:58:10]

CpuID2:

adds to the nice big list of things to keep up to date on the system

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[1]pixel:

my problem is when configuring mythtv-setup

[08:58:17]

achew22:

I would like a mythtv-setup that wasn't graphical. Even if I was compiling against xorg it would be nice because I hate sitting in front of the tv on a hardwood floor

[08:58:41]

xris:

achew22: x forwarding over ssh works fine for configuring the backend

[08:58:42]

achew22:

[1]pixel would you put it on pastebin?

[08:58:58]

achew22:

xris can't configure it from windows though

[08:59:04]

[1]pixel:

yes... where is it?

[08:59:04]

CpuID2:

xris: thats an alternative to a monitor, agreed

[08:59:09]

[1]pixel:

here?

[08:59:13]

CpuID2:

theres still the fact of xorg cruft floating around unused :)

[08:59:30]

CpuID2:

and with modular xorg, that adds like 20+ packages to the list to keep up to date

[08:59:44]

[1]pixel:

2006-04–01 10:52:57.640 Database not open while trying to save setting: Language

[08:59:47]

[1]pixel:

2006-04–01 10:52:57.640 Unable to connect to database!

[08:59:47]

[1]pixel:

2006-04–01 10:52:57.640 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[08:59:47]

[1]pixel:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[08:59:47]

[1]pixel:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[08:59:47]

[1]pixel:

2006-04–01 10:52:57.696 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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CpuID2:

actually, sec

[08:59:49]

[1]pixel:

Query was:

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CpuID2:

let me confirm that :)

[08:59:51]

[1]pixel:

SELECT NULL;

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[1]pixel:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[08:59:58]

xris:

achew22: why not? x server runs just fine in cygwin

[08:59:59]

CpuID2:

FLOOD

[09:00:02]

CpuID2:

;)

[09:00:09]

xris:

[1]pixel: don't flood

[09:00:09]

[1]pixel:

sorry ^^

[09:00:11]

achew22:

wow [1]pixel lets not do that

[09:00:26]

[1]pixel:

?

[09:00:39]

achew22:

xris cygwin is a waste of code... if I want to do linux stuff then I'll go over to the linux box

[09:01:04]

xris:

achew22: runs X pretty well, though. and was great for that job where I was forced to use windows

[09:01:12]

[1]pixel:

someone can help me?

[09:01:19]

achew22:

put it in pastebin

[09:01:21]

achew22:

then we will help

[09:01:40]

xris:

[1]pixel: sounds like you need to configure the mysql.txt and make sure the database is running

[09:01:56]

[1]pixel:

but WHERE'S pastebin??

[09:02:04]

achew22:

pastebin.com

[09:02:07]

achew22:

pastebin.org

[09:02:09]

achew22:

pastebin.net

[09:02:11]

achew22:

etc

[09:02:24]

xris:

pastebin.ca

[09:02:27]

[1]pixel:

mmm

[09:02:34]

achew22:

pastebin.achew22issexy

[09:02:34]

xris:

[1]pixel: it's in the topic, too

[09:02:40]

achew22:

there is a lot of them

[09:02:49]

achew22:

hey! it is

[09:02:55]

achew22:

never noticed that before

[09:03:18]

achew22:

is sed just a regexp program?

[09:03:45]

[1]pixel:

I've just posted something on pastebin.com

[09:03:51]

achew22:

give us the link

[09:03:53]

dtm:

SOMEONE! !! PLEASE HELP ME!! WHERE IS PASTEBIN !!!?

[09:04:09]

dtm:

<wait for it... waaaiiiit foooorrr iiiiit...> ............ANYONE?

[09:04:19]

** dtm bleats impressively **

[09:04:39]

CpuID2:

rafb.net/paste

[09:04:56]

dtm:

achew22: sed slices! sed dices! JUST LOOK AT THAT TOMATO!! >:-E

[09:05:28]

achew22:

dtm... did you get a lethal injection of noob into your bloodstream?

[09:05:39]

** dtm gasp **

[09:06:04]

[1]pixel:

what a pac!

[09:06:04]

dtm:

yes i did!!%*)! i've been on irc all my waking hours for a week! holy crap i'm dumber!!!!

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[1]pixel:

I've to configure bilions of things... :°°

[09:06:50]

dtm:

goodness me. if YellowSnow was here, i'd be peeing my pants and humping the monitor by now.

[09:06:57]

achew22:

hahahahah

[09:06:59]

dtm:

what have the noobz done to meeeee..!?!??!?!

[09:07:14]

achew22:

we all love yellowsnow and you know it....

[09:07:20]

[1]pixel:

and from the main site i see a guide that is NOT for who installed mythtv from a package

[09:07:27]

** dtm strikes achew22 down **

[09:07:28]

achew22:

he is like your retarted child... he can't do much but you still love him

[09:07:37]

** dtm fumes **

[09:07:43]

[1]pixel:

and i have just installed it via swaret...

[09:07:45]

[1]pixel:

:°°°°°°°

[09:07:59]

achew22:

eew.... slackware

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[1]pixel:

something to say against my tender slack????

[09:08:26]

[1]pixel:

XD

[09:08:37]

achew22:

yes... its ugly — just like dtm

[09:08:40]

[1]pixel:

nuooooo

[09:08:45]

[1]pixel:

why ugly?

[09:08:53]

achew22:

your os is either sexy or ugly

[09:08:59]

[1]pixel:

which distro do you use?

[09:09:00]

dtm:

<3

[09:09:20]

** dtm stabs slackware lovingly into its rightful place in history **

[09:09:30]

achew22:

gentoo, fedora, ubuntu, gentoo, debian, gentoo... all sexy

[09:09:33]

** dtm leaves it there **

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[1]pixel:

!quote+++++ dtm

[09:09:46]

[1]pixel:

achew22, :°°°°°

[09:09:54]

achew22:

what is that supposed to be

[09:09:57]

achew22:

you crying?

[09:10:00]

achew22:

you drooling?

[09:10:07]

[1]pixel:

do you like gentù? XD

[09:10:17]

[1]pixel:

crying :p

[09:10:29]

achew22:

is that someones fist moving at you so fast that you get 5 images of it in the picture?

[09:11:00]

achew22:

gentoo is awesome...

[09:11:20]

achew22:

its like taking the hardest class at your school. its sweet because its so fucking hard. Gentoo is a challenge

[09:11:33]

[1]pixel:

ma baaaaaaaaaaaa

[09:11:55]

dtm:

except the class has a chance at producing meaningful results or credentials

[09:12:01]

[1]pixel:

mmm i leave

[09:12:02]

dtm:

la la la

[09:12:14]

achew22:

dtm true dat

[09:12:15]

[1]pixel:

thanks to everyone

[09:12:18]

[1]pixel:

°°/

[09:12:21]

dtm:

[1]pixel: ok! mabaaaaaaaaaa to you too!

[09:12:26]

dtm:

^_^

[09:12:31]

[1]pixel:

^^

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achew22:

yay!

[09:12:48]

dtm:

°°/ <--- that's pretty dang cool

[09:12:56]

dtm:

once i stared at it long enough.

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achew22:

pixel for 10 min is like yellowsnow for an hour

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dtm:

i see yellowsnow has already infected your brain, corroding your memory

[09:14:14]

** xris kicks the compiler **

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dtm:

for one thing, pixel appears to be teachable and is capable of being efficiently coaxed into a meaningful problem-solving technical dialog

[09:16:42]

dtm:

those alone are redeeming traits

[09:17:00]

achew22:

what made you think he was teachable?

[09:17:20]

achew22:

what does the ^ char do in rexexp?

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dtm:

because he started by attempting to narrow his problem domain himself, reading the logs, and then was coaxed into presenting the data thereof in an acceptable manner

[09:18:12]

achew22:

but he didn't give us a link?

[09:18:20]

dtm:

achew22: it symbolizes the EOL

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dtm:

or is it beginning of line

[09:18:35]

dtm:

$ and ^ are opposites, in any case

[09:18:46]

dtm:

^ is beginning

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achew22:

so ^text would match a newline that said "text is good"

[09:19:09]

dtm:

yeah and it's most commonly used to eliminate comments like so --> grep -v ^#

[09:19:15]

dtm:

^_^

[09:19:23]

dtm:

<--- and to make smilies like so

[09:19:28]

dtm:

lalala

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** achew22 shakes head and laughs slightly **

[09:21:03]

achew22:

what does /g do?

[09:21:51]

achew22:

nevermind

[09:22:04]

dtm:

global

[09:22:05]

dtm:

lala

[09:22:25]

xris:

achew22: multiple matches/replacements

[09:22:39]

achew22:

wait... i only need one. is there a command to only do one?

[09:22:45]

achew22:

will omitting it do that?

[09:22:54]

xris:

yes

[09:23:23]

achew22:

this may end up working!

[09:23:24]

xris:

I've really only seen it used for replacements, or some fancy looping stuff in perl

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achew22:

okay... if I do >> at the end of a command will it append or will it replace?

[09:24:35]

xris:

append

[09:24:43]

achew22:

is there a way to replace

[09:24:48]

xris:

>

[09:24:50]

achew22:

by the way there is no man page for >

[09:25:09]

xris:

no, it's a common command. probably inside of one of the bash man pages

[09:26:16]

achew22:

can bash or perl or any of the interpreted languages do a gui

[09:26:35]

xris:

yeah

[09:26:51]

achew22:

really-- where do they put the output for commands you run?

[09:26:53]

xris:

there are hooks for gtk, and pretty sure there are for qt.

[09:27:09]

achew22:

so if I wanted to do that Iwould have to write 2 versions of it

[09:27:41]

achew22:

what the hell.... sed s/"^EXTRAVERSION =.*$"/"EXTRAVERSION = $(EXTRAVERSION)" "/usr/src/linux/Makefile" > "/usr/src/linux/Makefile"; deleted all the text in the file!

[09:28:53]

xris:

achew22: people would have to have one or the other installed for myth.. usually qt

[09:28:58]

xris:

since myth requires it

[09:29:31]

achew22:

but this is an installer — so there isn't a garuntee that it will be there

[09:30:16]

xris:

you should write it in something like python that has good gui hooks

[09:30:28]

achew22:

most of the code would just fall over right?

[09:31:42]

achew22:

if I changed the extension would most of the code just work?

[09:31:53]

achew22:

well... not just the extension — but executed it in python

[09:31:57]

xris:

huh?

[09:33:23]

achew22:

how do you execute a python script?

[09:35:00]

xris:

with python

[09:35:05]

achew22:

yes

[09:35:10]

xris:

no, that's the answer

[09:35:11]

achew22:

python filename?

[09:35:20]

xris:

filename doesn't man anything

[09:35:28]

xris:

hashbang is what matters

[09:35:36]

achew22:

with python at the beginning?

[09:35:57]

xris:

do you know about the hashbang line?

[09:36:12]

xris:

#!/usr/bin/whatever

[09:36:22]

achew22:

yeah

[09:37:51]

xris:

that's what tells the OS how to execute the script

[09:38:26]

xris:

python is a little smarter and has semi-compiled binaries that it keeps around that it will execute instead as long as the script hasn't been changed (otherwise, it recompiles and reruns)

[09:39:01]

achew22:

python sounds pretty smart

[09:39:14]

eiggirC:

processed: 43344 of 75330 frames (57.54%), 1.23 fps

[09:39:19]

eiggirC:

I need More CPU

[09:39:36]

achew22:

xris, will you help me with my regexp again?

[09:39:51]

xris:

achew22: maybe.. my brain is failing as it gets late...

[09:39:58]

achew22:

sed s/"^EXTRAVERSION =.*$"/"EXTRAVERSION = 10–386" "/usr/src/linux/Makefile" > "/usr/src/linux/Makefile"

[09:40:01]

achew22:

it clears the file

[09:40:06]

RaYmAn-Bx:

xris: it's incredible that python is so slow when it does that :/

[09:40:20]

xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: yeah, I like perl best. :)

[09:40:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

although, I guess it's possible to simple blame it on bad python programmers

[09:40:49]

xris:

achew22: why are you doing that? I told you to use `sed -i` — that'' do the replacement on the file, no need to write it back.

[09:40:56]

achew22:

ohh

[09:40:58]

achew22:

one sec

[09:41:07]

xris:

you can't read and write from the same file at the same time.. that's not a sequential thing.

[09:41:24]

achew22:

sed: -e expression #1, char 42: unterminated `s' command

[09:41:50]

xris:

achew22: sed -i -e 's/^EXTRAVERSION =.*$/EXTRAVERSION = 10–386/' filename

[09:42:13]

xris:

achew22: that won't work like you expect, though.. need to escape things like the . to get it to match.. I'm not particularly good with that.

[09:42:33]

achew22:

I don't want the . to match

[09:42:37]

xris:

omg, this thing actually compiled again.

[09:42:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

oh, neat. I never knew (and I suspect the same thing is true for most people) that sed can actually replace in files, without clearing it :P

[09:45:51]

xris:

:)

[09:46:04]

xris:

achew22: yes you do, you want it to be a wildcard

[09:46:10]

achew22:

okay... my brain cant be working right

[09:46:17]

achew22:

sed -i -e 's/^EXTRAVERSION =*$/EXTRAVERSION = ${EXTRAVERSION}/' "/usr/src/linux/Makefile"; nano "/usr/src/linux/Makefile";

[09:46:23]

achew22:

thats replacing it with EXTRAVERSION = ${EXTRAVERSION}

[09:46:35]

xris:

the =* means "zero or more = characters"

[09:46:49]

achew22:

I thought * ment anything

[09:46:56]

xris:

means "zero or more of the previous"

[09:46:58]

achew22:

isn't it named wildcard

[09:49:14]

achew22:

hahahah there is a difference between ' and "

[09:49:44]

xris:

yeah, a huge difference

[09:50:02]

achew22:

sad panda

[10:03:42]

achew22:

is there a command to append a newline then ivtv to a file?

[10:04:53]

haj:

dah.. i destroyed sound in my Xbox-Linux :o/

[10:13:19]

pjn:

anybody had any experience with something like http://tinyurl.com/oqq8w

[10:17:06]

achew22:

no

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achew22:

pjn do you have any experience with /etc/modprobe.d/aliases

[10:18:23]

pjn:

probably in the past, but these days I'm lazy and just put in the modules with parameters in /etc/modules

[10:18:46]

achew22:

if I did alias char-major-81-* ivtv would it get all of them?

[10:18:58]

** pjn shrugs **

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drdaz_:

I'm having some issues with the high level cam patches in myth... I've got my Twinhan Cab-CI working with VLC (including encrypted channels), but I just tried running mythbackend from console and it fires out a stream of the following errors when trying to record/watch TV: "DVB#0 CA: CiHandler needs CA_PMT

[11:20:10]

drdaz_:

2006-04–01 13:17:00.042 DVB#0 ERROR – CA: CAM supports no CA systems! (Slot #0)"

[11:20:26]

drdaz_:

any ideas?

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pac1:

pac1 is back in town

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hashbang0:

morning all

[12:05:10]

hashbang0:

quick question, if anyone can help...

[12:05:34]

hashbang0:

I've switched from my nVidia MX440 to an ATI Rage128, in order to get proper interlaced mode

[12:06:24]

hashbang0:

that's working, but if I play previously recorded mpgs, or watch live TV, the picture is stretched vertically, and I only see the top half

[12:08:48]

hashbang0:

standard, libmpeg2, XvMC makes no difference

[12:09:10]

hashbang0:

deinterlace also makes no difference (though I wouldn't really expect it to)

[12:11:09]

hashbang0:

bobdeint doesn't seem to help either

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hashbang0:

(due to "Video sync method can't support double framerate (refresh rate too low for bob deint)"

[12:14:16]

hashbang0:

output is a standard PAL modeline, so 768x576 50Hz interlaced

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hashbang0:

hmm... looks like an Xv bug in the r128 driver, which has been known about for at least the last 2 years. :-C

[13:07:58]

hashbang0:

it affects mplayer too, and it's fixed by using -vo x11 (but this wrecks performance, of course)

[13:07:58]

Tatster:

Sorry if this is a dumb question – how well does Myth work on Fedora Core 5 ??

[13:08:10]

hashbang0:

Tatster: works well on FC4

[13:08:30]

hashbang0:

Tatster: your biggest problem will probably be getting binary drivers working with FC5's kernel

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hashbang0:

arse

[13:26:39]

** hashbang0 decides to revert back to the nVidia. :-C **

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hashbang0:

at least they promise an interlace fix in the next driver

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** rjune is back **

[13:41:38]

sandos:

does nvidia even support interlace?

[13:41:56]

sandos:

I know their old drivers dont

[13:42:40]

sandos:

Im using interlace on a TNT2, and trying to use the nvidia binary drivers results in a non-interlaced mode

[13:46:03]

hashbang0:

sandos: known bug in versions <=8178

[13:46:10]

sandos:

aha ok

[13:46:58]

sandos:

hmm.. thats good to know I guess.. what card are you using? (Ive always assumed nvidia was no-no for TV/CRT use due to bad interlace support)

[13:49:43]

hashbang0:

sandos: MX440 via a homebrew VGA->RGB SCART cable

[13:49:49]

sandos:

oh ok

[13:49:56]

sandos:

I should try my GF2 :)

[13:50:11]

hashbang0:

sandos: I just tried an old ATI Rage128, which did interlace, but has a ~4 year old bug in Xv

[13:50:45]

sandos:

hmm? I never did get interlace to work on my r128.. :(

[13:50:47]

sandos:

what bug?

[13:50:52]

hashbang0:

which caused the picture height to be doubled, and only the top half of the picture to be displayed

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sandos:

aha ok

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hashbang0:

fixed in GATOS' ati.2 driver, but that doesn't seem to be ported to xorg 6.8.2, but is in xorg 7.0

[13:51:43]

hashbang0:

trying to get working Xv + interlace seems to be a bit tricky

[13:52:38]

sandos:

my r128 didnt want to do interlace "at all"

[13:53:00]

sandos:

it is supposed to use every other line, but it used them all so the image flickered between upper half and lower half

[13:53:00]

hashbang0:

seems fine here. possibly different firmware

[13:53:03]

sandos:

yeah

[13:53:26]

hashbang0:

sandos: no, that sounds right, but getting the software to sync with the two fields is tricky

[13:53:27]

sandos:

I guess it could be fixed in software though, if the driver realizes how the card operates

[13:54:18]

hashbang0:

sandos: the software needs to guess whether the card is starting on the odd or the even field. If it gets it wrong (50–50 chance), then the display will look bad.

[13:54:46]

Puh:

how can i set default subtitle language on 0.19-fixes?

[13:55:27]

hashbang0:

sandos: the cast iron test of whether interlace is working – from the driver's POV – is to look at horizontal lines of high contrast (e.g. around the 'quit MythTV?' buttons) and see if they flicker. If they do, interlace is working.

[13:55:40]

sandos:

yeah

[13:55:48]

sandos:

its working fine with the TNT2

[13:56:05]

sandos:

my problem now is that I cant sync properly

[13:56:19]

sandos:

I cant use opengl with mplayer to sync to vsync.. and I get lots of tearing

[13:56:34]

sandos:

opengl output is dreadfully slow without acceleration it seems =)

[13:56:52]

sandos:

tried directfb aswell, but mplayer just gives me a black screen..

[13:57:16]

sandos:

other directfb apps work. Ive got another problem there though, and thats vsync in directfb apps seems to happen at 14Hz instead of 25...

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hashbang0:

sandos: opengl vsync is broken in 8178 too

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sandos:

aha ok.

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hashbang0:

nvidia are teh sux0r

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sandos:

I can only use their older driver though so I cant update

[13:59:37]

sandos:

yeah, agreed =)

[14:00:09]

sandos:

Im looking at recent ati matx motherboards with integrated x300s.. hopefully theyll work

[14:02:06]

hashbang0:

x300 is only just being worked on now by Dave Airlie, so you'll need to use ATI's proprietary drivers

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sandos:

Im fine with that if they work...

[14:06:11]

sandos:

the problem is information, its practically impossible to find info on how well interlaced output works with different cards

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[14:10:22]

Plex:

morning all.

[14:11:11]

Servo888:

hmm so I installed ubuntu last night, and am mostly happy. Hell mytthv works well, as does mythweather and all the cool features, which I could never get to work right in gentoo. But breazy is still only using the .18.1; which is no fun.

[14:11:19]

Servo888:

Then again .19 crashes on me so it might be for the best

[14:11:43]

Plex:

just curious, which tuner card are you using?

[14:11:54]

Servo888:

Plex, pvr 150 lp

[14:12:13]

Plex:

(and can you answer a really basic noobie question? how can I edit something in /etc file?)

[14:12:15]

Servo888:

Plex, the stream just freezes up. Mythtv keeps running fine

[14:12:28]

Plex:

I'm using that card, too, but my system won't open it.

[14:12:32]

Servo888:

pleemans, with a text editor.

[14:12:40]

Servo888:

Plex*

[14:12:49]

Servo888:

Plex, nano /etc/myfile.conf

[14:13:05]

Plex:

thanks servo

[14:13:07]

Servo888:

or use gedit, vi, vim, emacs, etc.

[14:13:14]

Servo888:

nano I think is the easiest to use

[14:13:53]

Plex:

ok, I'll try that.

[14:14:26]

Plex:

when I go to "connect source to input", and click scan for channels, the system fails to open the card (PVR-150) – any ideas?

[14:14:50]

Servo888:

Plex, did you get the drivers installed correctly?

[14:15:20]

Servo888:

Plex, there's my biggest issue, ivtv drivers a a bitch to setup if your new to linux.

[14:15:25]

Servo888:

are*

[14:15:47]

Plex:

yeah, I'm finding that out ! heh

[14:16:10]

Plex:

I'm using MythDora now – because it's supposed to be easy. But am installing Fedora 4.0 to follow the "how to"

[14:16:10]

Servo888:

Plex, can you do 'cat /dev/video0' ?

[14:16:22]

Plex:

the system (from the term) can see the card

[14:16:29]

Plex:

maybe I just need to update the drivers?

[14:16:41]

Servo888:

Yah seeing the card isn't a problem; getting to driver installed to control the card is

[14:16:43]

Plex:

let me check that... one second

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Plex:

(gotta fill the myth database first)

[14:17:47]

Plex:

Servo888: thanks, by the way

[14:18:31]

Plex:

I thought I'd follow this: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Fedora

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Plex:

Servo888: I can't do that, actually. The term doesn't responbd

[14:21:43]

Plex:

respond

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Servo888:

Plex, yah it's not suppose to responce

[14:38:03]

Servo888:

Plex, you just hit control-c to stop it.

[14:38:20]

jd86:

for diagnostic purposes is there a way of switching tuners when watching tv? one of them has reportedly not making sound

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Plex:

ok, thanks Servo888

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Servo888:

Plex, it would seem it worked... try this: 'cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg' then hit control c to stop it after a few seconds. Then try 'mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test.mpg' that should play it back

[14:42:45]

Plex:

ok, when I click on watch tv the screen flashes and then returns to the main menu

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Plex:

error on the mpg

[14:44:40]

Plex:

linux RTC init error in ioctl

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Plex:

premission denied

[14:45:35]

Plex:

try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq"

[14:45:39]

Plex:

does that make sense

[14:45:40]

Plex:

?

[14:46:55]

Plex:

I think I just need to do a new install from scratch – no mythdora

[14:50:20]

Servo888:

hmm oh it's just a permission error. You may need to be in root

[14:50:58]

Servo888:

Or cat /dev/video0 > /home/user/someplacehere.mpg and play from there

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Plex:

ok

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Plex:

it's actually scanning channels now – odd

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Plex:

but the watch tv still won't open

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Plex:

AACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK – so frustrating

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Plex:

anyone here do a fedora install who can answer a simple question about disk druid?

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Plex:

I can't seem to format jfs

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Servo888:

2006-04–01 10:12:48.617 Joystick disabled. | does that mean no lirc?...

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Servo888:

For some reason I can't get my lirc remote working... Seems to not respond to irevent's

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Servo888:

irxevent's that is

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Servo888:

wait it's not mythtv related... everything is done via irxevent anyways

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Servo888:

oh my bad, irxevent wasn't running

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Cromz:

flex, set it up as ext3 and then open a shell do the mkfs.jfs

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Plex:

thanks cromz

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Servo888:

"checking for X... (cached) no" how do I clear the cache?... make clean didn't do it

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Belgain:

hi there, quick performance question: would a 333MHz p2 with a recent nVidia card (say a 6200 AGP) be suffiecient to run a mythtv frontend only?

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Belgain:

to playback SDTV MPEG2 DTV video

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Belgain:

using xmvc acceleration

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Jelte:

hiya guys, quick survey: what speaker system do you use? I've been looking for a new 5.1 system, which is compact and looks nice... the Trust SP-6600A fits that bill, but might be a little bit 'cheap' on the output... has anyone used it? or perhaps have better suggestions?

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Jelte:

I was also looking at the logitech Z-5400

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Plex:

linux tells me the hda2 partition can't be used until I reboot – can I force the reboot with reset?

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nosun:

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.a . . . 1&catid=

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nosun:

is good right?

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D-side:

in what regard

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D-side:

product,yeah

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nosun:

works easy on mythtv:P

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D-side:

comes with a remote... that might be a decent price after all.

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nosun:

I'm buying one monday

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nosun:

:P

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nosun:

if all goods:P

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D-side:

hm.

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D-side:

i wonder if i SHOULD get into OTA HDTV

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nosun:

hey question... what do you people get as mb per minute on video cap'ing

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nosun:

in general

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Plex:

nosun: I wish I could even capture :-( I can't even watch tv on mine

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AngryElf:

nosun, why don't you buy a 500 instead of a 150?

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moemoe:

hello, following problem: i created a channels.conf using scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s/Astra-19.2E > channels.conf and used this as initial channeldata

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moemoe:

when trying to watch tv i get errors like "invalid simbol rate" on the console and nothing is shown

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mchou:

hey, anyone here given kde 3.5.2 a try yet?

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D-side:

yeah.

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D-side:

its shiny

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mchou:

D-side: is the stacking order of menus over flash really "fixed" in konqueror?

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nosun:

I'm tired

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D-side:

cant say i've used konqueror very much.

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D-side:

and i cant use flash at all.

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nyxx:

is it possible to use a tivo remote with the ir receiver on a pvr-250 or do I need to build a serial port ir receiver?

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moemoe:

nyxx: i think there is a lirc-driver do access the reviever via i2c

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moemoe:

nyxx: http://lirc.org/tv_cards.html

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moemoe:

which channels.conf-format does mythtv expect? zap, vdr or pids?

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thechunk:

I'm having a problem with mythtv closing all connections to mysql. The error is "Mysql server has gone away" Once this happens I have to restart mythbackend. Anyone know how I can change this behavior?

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nyxx:

I have the gray remote working with my pvr card, but irw won't show any codes when I push buttons on my tivo remote.. maybe I'm missing something basic though

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moemoe:

nyxx: irw – sends data from Unix domain socket to stdout

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moemoe:

shut down the lircd and try mode2

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moemoe:

this should show sth

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port7:

heres a strange one, i can't play or import dvd's

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port7:

myth is saying that it can't open /dev/dvd for reading

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port7:

yet the permissions on /dev/dvd are 777

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port7:

doh

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moemoe:

port7: /dev/dvd is a symlink, the permissions of its target are deciding

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port7:

yep just noticed that

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port7:

fixed

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port7:

though now its complaining that it can't use my video card

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port7:

i will have a look at that

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AngryElf:

hey all, i'm having a hell of a time getting mythweb working.....it's something to do with php modules not being found, but i can't figure it out..........when I goto /server.ip/mythweb/ in firefox it shows a directory tree, and if i click on mythwbe.php it asks what program to use, any ideas?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

have you read the documentation? You have to setup certain things if mythweb isn't in the root of the domain..(or the "ip")

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AngryElf:

yeah i have, but i'm confused by parts of it.....it says to add some stuff but it's not really clear where

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AngryElf:

i've tried different places without luck

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roger55:

AngryElf, if you don't know one way to find out is to: grep -R setting /etc/

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roger55:

AngryElf, that'll give you clues where the apache configfile is that you need to edit.

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port7:

with a pvr-350 is it best to take your sound-out feed from the 350 or your pc's sound card/

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Anduin:

port7: Do you only play mpeg2 files?

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port7:

no dvd's also

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defi_:

Is there a way to make xine automatically use dts, and widescreen if available?

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Servo888:

whoot... Well I'm mostly happy now with my ubuntu switch. I got my lirc setup right, made up my own init script for it. I got everything starting on boot; no more gnome. Just gdm and poison. Worked out well. When I have the time I'll get .19 installed, and a newer kernel.

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phatmonkey:

I'm considering setting up mythtv for my school. is there any nice way I can categorise recordings? so recordings could be put under departments (geography, sciences, etc), then seperate categories under there

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phatmonkey:

the big long list in order of recording certainly wouldn't work with a school

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defi_:

phatmonkey yup put them under different profiles

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phatmonkey:

defi_: profiles?

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Anduin:

phatmonkey: recording groups is the closest you'd get without modifications

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phatmonkey:

ok, I'll have a look

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phatmonkey:

hmm

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phatmonkey:

not really that good I guess

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phatmonkey:

no sub categories or anything

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phatmonkey:

is there any way to change the ordering of recordings?

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phatmonkey:

so alphabetical instead of recording date

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phatmonkey:

I suppose I could arrange some way to automatically transcode it to something else, then store it under videos

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phatmonkey:

because at the moment, all the videos are stored on dvd

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phatmonkey:

so they could all be ripped to disk

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simcop2387:

hey the commercial detection needs a check in its code to prevent it from having <1 second commercials, i've got a recording here that tries to ffwd <1 second and keeps looping because of a 0 second commercial

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AngryElf:

i'm guessing this is the wrong place to file a bug report

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ivor:

any epia users about?

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simcop2387:

AngryElf: it is but its just funny

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Jelte:

hi there... Does mythmusic have any screensavers? like nice visualisations (I'm thinking the old geiss in winamp style stuff) ?

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moemoe:

Jelte: yes

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Jelte:

moemoe: , great! where can i find some more info? the section for mythmusic on the myth wiki doesn't cover it

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Jelte:

just curious (waiting for my min-itx to show up before i can try things out and play and see for myself ;-))

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moemoe:

Jelte: you had to press some number (i think between 3–6) to enable them

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moemoe:

iirc the number is shown on the bottom of the screen

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moemoe:

but due to problems with my dvb-s-card, i'm not usind mythtv currently :/

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Jelte:

moemoe: cool... are they called 'screensavers'? I've been doing some googling but all i can find is information that tells you that you have to turn off the normal KDE screensaver or else it will kick in during watching tv....

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Jelte:

was hoping for some screenshots ;-)

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moemoe:

i think visualizations

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Jelte:

excellent, let me do some digging

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darkdrgn2k:

Hi, how do you adjust the screen left or right for tv-out in X?

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rtsai:

anyone know the maximum number of zap2it lineups you can have? I'm trying to add a third and it keeps kicking me back out to the front page

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Anduin:

The datadirect stuff?

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: setup->Appearance, IIRC

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hashbang:

AngryElf: re. mythweb, what distro?

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AngryElf:

nvm, now i'm getting perm errors

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rtsai:

AngryElf: yes

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rtsai:

oops Anduin: yes

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hashbang:

if jelte comes back, I recommend the Logitech X-530, but the subwoofer is a bit too powerful.

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AngryElf:

could somebody ls -l /var/www/ and tell me perms/ownership on their mythweb directory?

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hashbang:

# cat /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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hashbang:

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hashbang:

Options FollowSymLinks

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hashbang:

AllowOverride All

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hashbang:

</Directory>

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hashbang:

^ for Anduin

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hashbang:

er, AngryElf, even

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hashbang:

AngryElf: apache.apache here, on FC4

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hashbang:

perms are 775

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AngryElf:

which file has all the group info in it.....kind of like /etc/passwd?

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AngryElf:

/etc/group?

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hashbang:

AngryElf: once you've got apache configured correctly (probably just the above stanza) then just browsing mythweb/ should result in everything working.

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hashbang:

AngryElf: yup, /etc/group

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AngryElf:

it's not, apache can't write to the mythweb directory

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AngryElf:

cause the perms are wrong and i'm not sure what it needs to be w/ my setup

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AngryElf:

i compiled apache/php myself

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tutu:

whats the best linux to use for this project?

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tutu:

anyone have an opinion

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tutu:

?

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tutu:

anyone aive?

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tutu:

alive*

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hashbang:

tutu: the one you're most familiar with.

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tutu:

I am not familiar with any really

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hashbang:

tutu: and something fairly recent.

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Anduin:

rtsai: Should be three I thought, though to test I tried adding a second and the first time failed.

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tutu:

I am just gonna go on the fly

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tutu:

red hat or debian

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tutu:

I was thinking

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hashbang:

tutu: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php worked for me, otherwise, knoppmyth or mythdora

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darkdrgn2k:

Hi, how do you adjust the screen left or right for tv-out in X?

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: I told you once.

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darkdrgn2k:

oops

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Anduin:

rtsai: Try a few times, their fetch from zip seems to be sucky.

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: i siad for TV OUT

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darkdrgn2k:

not iirc!

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: i need to know how to move the output over to the left (you know.. windows display drivers have that thing that cna move the display off to the right or left as if you where changing it on the monitor by changing refresh rate or something)

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: yup, that's what I answered.

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Anduin:

rtsai: Looks like four now.

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darkdrgn2k:

<hashbang> darkdrgn2k: setup->Appearance, IIRC

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: yup, you can configure the UI to use less than the full screen, then move it around within that screen.

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: yes BUT there is a way to configure X to move the screen around by adjusting frequencies.. i used it once like YEARS ago but i dont remmeber how to do it

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: its a program

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: im not interested in cropping the screen!

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: xvidtune, but I'm 99.99% sure that'll only work with VGA, not TV out.

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: thank you... we shall see.. seeing how this is a gatos hack :-P

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: TV out positioning is almost certainly hardwired in your card.

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darkdrgn2k:

well see.. whats the worst that could happen...

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darkdrgn2k:

thank you

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darkdrgn2k:

one last thing. Im having problems with the remote when the video player launches.. i think its something to do with targeting

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darkdrgn2k:

i know this can screw up if a VM is not launched

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darkdrgn2k:

is this correct for an xinitrc script?

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darkdrgn2k:

exec /usr/X11R6/bin/icewm &

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darkdrgn2k:

exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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darkdrgn2k:

will icewm manage mythfrontend's window?

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: what kind of problems?

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darkdrgn2k:

hashbang: as in the remote does not work when playing a movie

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tutu:

whats SRPMS

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JasonX:

Does dtvsignal work with Nova-T cards? Got latest version just seems to make no diff whether ariel in or not

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rtsai:

Anduin: yeah, I had to switch to MSIE to get it to work

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rtsai:

Anduin: but I just entered a 3rd

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: you probably want stuff in your $HOME/.lircrc and $HOME/.mythtv/lircrc for xine, mplayer, etc.

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the diff between the two

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hashbang:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt

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hashbang:

like that

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: mythtv reads .mythtv/lircrc on startup and uses that

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darkdrgn2k:

ues i know but what the diff between .mythtv and $home/

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: other apps will probably just ask the lirc libs to open the default config, which is $HOME/.lircrc

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hashbang:

JasonX: my Nova-T cards work just fine.

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm... why does xine then exist in mytthv's

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hashbang:

JasonX: have you run dvbscan to generate a channels.conf ?

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: maybe because xine ends up being a child process of mythfrontend, maybe laziness. Either way, it works.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

darkdrgn2k: the easiest thing is just to symlink either $HOME/.lircrc or .mythtv/lircrc to the other.

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh thats what i just though of...

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: that'll work, but you may want to be careful

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: e.g. I use irexec to bind the RC's 'power' button to a script that kills/restarts mythfrontend

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: but if I include that in .mythtv/lircrc, mythfrontend gets the 'power' event before irexec, and just asks to exit in the normal way.

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war92:

Is there anyway to Make an ATI All-In-Wonder radeon work with MythTV?

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darkdrgn2k:

war92: no

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darkdrgn2k:

war92: there is not enough V4L developed for it to work with myht

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hashbang: Only if there also is a prog = mythtv entry for the power button...

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darkdrgn2k:

war92: go buy a haugappagagasomethingoranother... i bough the 150 and i think its 1000 better than my aiw

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war92:

k

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war92:

tx. for the info.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

in which case it should still happen even if they use seperate config files? Or at least I would assume so..

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darkdrgn2k:

war92: good luck.. tooke me forever jsut to get video out workign on it :-P

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hashbang:

darkdrgn2k: ah, yes, well spotted!

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war92:

DarkBeer: on the hauppage?

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war92:

darkdrgn2k: rather

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JasonX:

Ia there any way to measure the signal strength in real time from a haup nova-t card (tried latest dtvsignal)

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hashbang:

JasonX: make sure mythbackend is stopped before you play with dvb tools, BTW.

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port7:

anyone used thehunter.ws ubuntu packages?

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JasonX:

yer well dtvsignal wont connect if mythbackend is running

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JasonX:

but it just sits there with signal 000 and a green suqre moves about but it seems to make no diff if i unplug ariel or not

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JasonX:

but myth has a value that determines the minimum signal strength it will accept, so it must be possible to read it then

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JasonX:

maybe there is a windows tool then?

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JasonX:

or tzap

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JasonX:

that seems to do something but not sure

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JasonX:

snr = ffff , if i unplug ariel it = f800 (ish)

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moemoe:

does anybody know of logs for the april-joke?

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dtm:

what?

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moemoe:

00:21:25 [freenode] -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hmmm. You know, I could do an April Fool's Day joke, but maybe instead we should make this a group effort. Let's all just go to irc.oftc.net channel #oftc, and tell them that freenode has shut down and has repointed its servers to OFTC, and ask if they're going to be adding more facilities to handle the load. 8)

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moemoe:

i didn't realize it fast enough

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dieman:

bwahah

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dieman:

im actually happy they made their hostmasks so easy to /ignore

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moemoe:

*g*

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dtm:

dieman: it's a really handy thing, considering how absolutely desperate they are for attention

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fozi:

JasonX: femon from linuxtv dvb-apps

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xris:

awesome... got the build-from-svn spec working perfectly, and FAR easier to use than my last build method.

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drdaz:

I'm having some issues with myth and scrambled DVB channels atm... I've got my card working in VLC for all channels, but mythbackend fires up a whole bunch of errors when attempting to capture a scrambled signal

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drdaz:

or rather... lots of the same error

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JasonX:

fozi: femon looks same as tzap – i presume snr is the key value and ffff is as good as it gets

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drdaz:

the errors I'm getting are:

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drdaz:

2006-04–02 00:52:24.446 DVB#0 CA: CiHandler needs CA_PMT

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drdaz:

2006-04–02 00:52:24.446 DVB#0 ERROR – CA: CAM supports no CA systems! (Slot #0)

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drdaz:

repeated over and over as long as I'm trying to capture

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xris:

fyi to you rpm builders (and rjune, if you want to see how I did it).. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-svn-rpmbuild.spec

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rjune:

thanks

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xris:

rjune: you might want to update your spec with some of the comments, etc.

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rjune:

I probably will

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rjune:

did I catch that 0.19 can send to all frontends simultaneously?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

I don't think so... would need to set up multicast dns, etc.

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xris:

and now, I guess I should update the mythplugins one... blech.

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rjune:

heh

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hashbang:

xris: nice one.

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hashbang:

I'm currently building a mythweb RPM with mythburn integrated

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xris:

you don't want my opinion, then.

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xris:

I really don't understand why people don't just give me those modules to include in the official release.

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xris:

then again, hopefully the new layout in .20 will make it easier for people to install modules

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drdaz:

people do it to piss u off :p

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xris:

nah, I don't really care... just interesting that no one asks me if if I want them in the official package or not

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drdaz:

:)

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xris:

hashbang: I'm thoroughly against packages for web stuff

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xris:

none of them ever put anything where I want.

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drdaz:

its amazing just how lost u feel when google turns up a doughnut on an error message...

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drdaz:

its like.. "I'm officially the only person ever to have seen this."

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drdaz:

and then u cry

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drdaz:

:-|

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phoner:

someone always has to be first

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xris:

drdaz: yeah. I ran into that last night when building that svn spec

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hashbang:

xris: I manage everything as RPMs.

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xris:

hashbang: I do for everything except web apps. wouldn't be such a big deal if rpm remembered my directory-name overrides, but it doesn't

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drdaz:

heh... I'd prefer if it wasnt me, you know?

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xris:

hashbang: eg, my mythweb install is at /var/www/secure_html/

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hashbang:

xris: IMHO, standard webapp packages should dump everything where the distro expects it. If the admin/user doesn't like that, they can always rebuild

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hashbang:

xris: preferably, the webroot should be defined as a var in the .spec file

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xris:

hashbang: where does the distro expect mythweb? /var/www/mythweb? /var/www/html? /var/www/html/mythweb?

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hashbang:

xris: the lattermost, on RH-alikes

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xris:

hashbang: why? I'd rather have it go to /var/www/html — it's designed to run on a standalone box with no other web pages.

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xris:

anyway, it'd all be fine if rpm remembered my directory-name overrides between updates. actually, I should submit a bug about that. maybe someone will fix it someday.

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hashbang:

xris: mythweb may well be, but the admin/user may have other ideas, and packages shouldn't compete for the same space.

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hashbang:

hmm

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xris:

hashbang: exactly why web apps shouldn't use packages.

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hashbang:

looks like mythburn-oct2005 doesn't work

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xris:

building your own package only works until you run yum update.

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hashbang:

PHP Fatal error: Class 'Program' not found in /var/www/html/mythweb/mythburn/mythwebburn/mythtvburndvd.php on line 63

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xris:

hashbang: yeah, that's completely changed in .19

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xris:

wait, no.. Program should still be there.

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hashbang:

xris: as defined includes/programs.php ?

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xris:

yeah

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sphery:

xris, I've been trying to work a problem I noticed on the list in MythWeb, but I'm way over my head in PHP/i18n.

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sphery:

Since you've already solved the problem twice, I figure it should be easy for you...

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sphery:

But I wanted to verify it's actually a bug before creating a ticket without a patch.

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sphery:

Basically, I think that MythWeb isn't fixing the basename of recordings, and now that mythrename.pl allows users to put title info, etc. in recording names, some recordings aren't accessible through MythWeb.

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sphery:

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sphery:

(My naive approach for solving it was useless)

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xris:

sphery: mythweb gets that straight from the backend.

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sphery:

Would you like me to create a ticket?

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Kelerion:

evening all

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xris:

sphery: yeah, create a ticket, put as much info as possible (links, what they should be, etc)

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sphery:

Yeah, but URI's can't contain some chars.

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sphery:

I think you've solved it in Video and Music sections for those files.

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xris:

sphery: oh, it's just not url encoded? that's easy. yeah, put in a ticket

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sphery:

Not the basic URL encoding, but dealing with non-ASCII chars that's a problem

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sphery:

(i.e. umlauts, etc.)

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sphery:

I'll create a ticket and try to explain better than I did here.

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

thanks

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xris:

sphery: yeah, there's a better urlencode function, should be fine.

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hashbang:

PHP Fatal error: Class 'Theme' not found in /var/www/html/mythweb/mythburn/mythwebburn/themes/Default/mythtvburndvd.php on line 9

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k4str0:

anyone here know how to get a Prolink PixelView PV-M4900 working? I'm only getting a blue screen

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Kelerion:

what was the prank?

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xris:

Kelerion: logged into the server and said that freenode was shutting down and all traffic would be redireected over there

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Kelerion:

ahh :)

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DirectQL:

hi

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DirectQL:

i'm having problems with my MythTV

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DirectQL:

i get the following error

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DirectQL:

TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 5

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DirectQL:

any ideas?

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DirectQL:

live tv works fine

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Kelerion:

channel 5 doesn't exist?

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Kelerion:

or isn't setup properly

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DirectQL:

it does

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DirectQL:

it does the same for any channel

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DirectQL:

and how come live tv works fine

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DirectQL:

hmm

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DirectQL:

i just did a select * from capturecard

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DirectQL:

it shows 4 entries

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DirectQL:

i have a dual tuner board

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DirectQL:

so i think there should be two entries

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DirectQL:

am i correct?

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DirectQL:

looks like two of the entries are set to "Tuner"

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DirectQL:

and two other are "Tuner 1"

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DirectQL:

I think "Tuner 1" is correct

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