Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 31st, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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achew22:

Agrajag- it says XboX in the name — will it run on an xbox

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I'd still have to check if geexbox will do 480p or 720p

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AlexNeumanPTY:

and

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jd86:

any idea why i'm still having trubbles with recordings 'recording' but not actually recording

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I'd also have to check to see if I can just get it to play videos and not need/provide any ways for users to futz with it ;)

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achew22:

jd86 if we get some more nfo we could probably help

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jd86:

alright, last time i asked everyone was clueless, i am slightly busy now

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jd86:

heh

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kormoc:

AlexNeumanPTY, myth won't do that

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achew22:

why ask in the 1st place then?

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jd86:

basically what happens is i schedule things to be recorded, i go in and hit watch recording and a box comes up saying the file can not be found.

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achew22:

does the file exist?

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jd86:

no

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achew22:

there's your problem

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jd86:

yup

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achew22:

your trying to play nonexistant files

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jd86:

which was never created

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achew22:

another problem bites the dust

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AlexNeumanPTY:

Anybody know any good distro that would just boot off cf/cd/small hd and then just play back (straight through or shuffle) a bunch of avi's/mpegs/mov's at 480p or 720p on a DVI display?

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kormoc:

jd86, check the backend log and see what it says

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jd86:

kormoc: heh, my backend log was 19 gig so i just deleted it

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kormoc:

AlexNeumanPTY, look into creating a custom knoppix cd, and write something similar to that script I gave you, and it should do it

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AlexNeumanPTY:

you're right... I could give *that* a try

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AlexNeumanPTY:

Can knoppix play quicktime out-of-the-box?

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kormoc:

donno bout that

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achew22:

AlexNeumanPTY what is this going to od?

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AlexNeumanPTY:

od?

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achew22:

od == do

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AlexNeumanPTY:

oh

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I just saw something called movix that might do the trick

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AlexNeumanPTY:

basically what I want to do

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dscoular:

AngryElf: sorry, stepped away for a sec... yes... you should find all the info you need at http://www.unionfs.org/

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nosun:

yeah!!! got composite working on my cap cards

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AlexNeumanPTY:

is to boot a computer and have it play back whatever videos it finds on a specific folder somewhere

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nosun:

though kdetv lists 4x cap cards

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nosun:

I have 2 in:P

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AlexNeumanPTY:

in sequence or in shuffle

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nosun:

and half of em don't work for shit

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nosun:

:P

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AlexNeumanPTY:

for a plasma display running at 480p or 720p

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achew22:

is it always on?

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nosun:

do I need to have my cap card working on kdetv for it to work in myth?

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jd86:

kormoc: this has been happening for quite some time

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jd86:

achew22: i asked because eventually things get to be a popular problem

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achew22:

are you able to watch the files?

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jd86:

achew22: that to me?

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kormoc:

given they don't exist, it's a bit hard achew22

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achew22:

yes

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jd86:

yea no exist

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jd86:

never created

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jd86:

never recorded

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jd86:

the entry gets created but nothing ever gets recorded

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kormoc:

jd86, I would check the mailing list to be honest, they tend to know a bit about odd things like that

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achew22:

well I had a similar problem ... my father was deleting the files via samba but the database wasn't getting told that the files were gone

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nosun:

can someone please answer my question?;)

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kormoc:

nosun, the answer is yes with a bttv card

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achew22:

nosun no with ivtv

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jd86:

no one is deleting the files, they just cease to exist, and sometimes its alzhiemers gets me quite mad as it misses some good shows, and also i'm having a problem where recordings are all black

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jd86:

all kinds of problems

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kormoc:

weird

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jd86:

i am running svn :-O.. so its to be expected i'm going to update it

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nosun:

thanx kormoc and achew22

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nosun:

achew funny nick:p

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achew22:

nosun whats your situation

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achew22:

nosun i'm glad you got it — sometimes I have to change it to sneezer for people to understand

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nosun:

just kinda trying stuff and seeing what works

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nosun:

I'm major linux newbie:P

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nosun:

I'm amazed I got this far but then again this is suse:P

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achew22:

nosun what kind of card do you have

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achew22:

nosun if you want pain do what kormoc did to me... drop in gentoo and try from there

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nosun:

2x cards.... one is a Zoltrix TV-Max

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nosun:

bt

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

bt... sad panda

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nosun:

and the other is MSI TV@nywhere

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nosun:

:P

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nosun:

which apparently works with kernel 2.6

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achew22:

bttv is the retarted half sister of ivtv

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kormoc:

it's the older sister of ivtv

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nosun:

I believe I know:P

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nosun:

got bought out:P

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kormoc:

and it works really well, given what it is

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nosun:

I have actually 3x cap cards

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achew22:

it takes way too much processing power

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nosun:

but only using 2:P

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achew22:

I have 5... but they are dispersed around a bunch of computers

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nosun:

2x bt and 1x msi tv @nywhere:P

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achew22:

one is in a closet

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kormoc:

achew22, given the days when that chip was made, it was the best that could be done, it wasn't designed for capture, it was designed for direct viewing only

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nosun:

gimme

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nosun:

:P

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nosun:

jk's

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achew22:

dude... you don't want it

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achew22:

it doesn't have linux support

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nosun:

:(

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nosun:

me I would ask so much more but I know my questions will get me in trouble:P for I know rtfm will come soon after;)

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nosun:

so I resist in this case:)

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nosun:

and try shit

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nosun:

:P

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achew22:

nosun have no fear... i hate the manual with a passion and I will answer any question that I can

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nosun:

lol

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achew22:

when my gf showsup at my house though — its game over for you

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nosun:

I was gonna ask something but in bt's case it don't matter if kdetv works:P

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nosun:

I'll have to see what I can do about that then;)

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** nosun trying to find achew22's gf so he can pay her off to take a day off **

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achew22:

lol good luck she doens't have internet

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nosun:

whats the easiest os to install mythtv on?

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nosun:

besides myth knoppix?

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achew22:

easy... ubuntu

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achew22:

http://www.ubuntu.org

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nosun:

ubuntu it is

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kormoc:

some say ubuntu, others fedora

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achew22:

oops... its .com

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kormoc:

most say fedora due to the awesome guide that jarod did that walked you though it

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achew22:

I say ubuntu because of the awesome guide hyam setup

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achew22:

and abarbaccia

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achew22:

and like 200 other people

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nosun:

me I've installed debian, fedora, myth knoppix, windows xp;), debian

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nosun:

then suse

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achew22:

dump suse... noone likes paying for linux

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nosun:

lol

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nosun:

I never payed:P

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kormoc:

suse is free

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nosun:

it actually somewhat finds my cap cards which is a plus

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nosun:

though they aren't working 100%:p

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achew22:

okay... for the good features (most up to date version) it costs

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nosun:

I'm using 10:P

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kormoc:

it's like that way for more then just suse

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nosun:

I think thats uptodate

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kormoc:

mandrake, redhat, etc all have a for pay version as well

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achew22:

kormoc notice how I don't use any of those

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** kormoc shrugs **

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nosun:

I was just thinking....

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achew22:

I've been meaning to ask you a question kormoc....

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kormoc:

just saying, it's not uncommon, nor is it really an issue imho.

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achew22:

how did you trick me into using gentoo

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nosun:

if ms was just a bit smarter they'd make a windows free edition

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kormoc:

I didn't

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nosun:

to gain "popularity"

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kormoc:

nosun, they do that in certain areas of the world (china for a little)

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achew22:

dude... 75+% usage isn't popular?

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kormoc:

but they don't need to in the west

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nosun:

really?

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achew22:

yeah — windows lite

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nosun:

thats news to my ears:P

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achew22:

isn't that what they called it?

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nosun:

they give that free?

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kormoc:

they're not stupid, they do have a 85% useage rate world wide.

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achew22:

it was really cheap

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achew22:

50$ maybe less

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nosun:

gah

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kormoc:

it was free last I heard

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achew22:

I only read about the india version

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nosun:

probably due to outdated;)

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achew22:

it may very well have been free for china

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achew22:

no — it could only run 2 programs at the same time

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nosun:

wtf:S

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kormoc:

2 programs?

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** kormoc blinks **

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achew22:

i.e. outlook express + aim killed the computer if you wanted to boot open office

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kormoc:

achew22, that's not really anything I read about

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achew22:

lets see if I can find that

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achew22:

it was all over /. and digg

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kormoc:

nosun, the idea was it prevented people from pirating, and thus they would get used to going to MS directly for software, and it prevented linux from getting a foot hold

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nosun:

2 programs at a time tahts :S

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nosun:

thats*

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nosun:

I'm a unnatural born pirate;)

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nosun:

from birth till death;)

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nosun:

litterally when I was younger my dads friend knick named me that:P

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nosun:

I hated it but he did

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nosun:

:P

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nosun:

nick'd*

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achew22:

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/o . . . 0609,00.html i hthink that has it in there

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nosun:

he called me wooden leg'd pirate

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nosun:

:P

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nosun:

but in Portuguese:P

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dtm:

nosun: w h y ?

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nosun:

cause apparently one of my grandfathers had a eye patch

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nosun:

:)

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nosun:

hence the pirate:P

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achew22:

did you yell yar when you were born?

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achew22:

that would make you a pirate

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nosun:

damn rights;)

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nosun:

I was born oct31:P

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achew22:

I'm a pirate because when I turn on the car and people are in it I yell "yar! were off like a prom dress"

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nosun:

lol

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dtm:

achew22: :-.

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achew22:

:-. looks like steps....

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kormoc:

achew22, so slow and awkward and stops half way?

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nosun:

can one of you's give me linky to the ubuntu tut

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dtm:

achew22: i'd have to say it doesn't!

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nosun:

or easy to find on google?

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dtm:

nosun: you're.... asking *us*.... if google has something?

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dtm:

you typed the query in full english sentence format into an irc client?

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dtm:

as a means of finding something on google.

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achew22:

i used to have a bot in one of the channels I ran that allowd you to google stuff by typing !google search terms

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dtm:

i've seen a dozen variants on that theme, but never quite that one.

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nosun:

:S

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dtm:

who am i kidding? i probably have a hundred times, and i blocked it out for fear of getting dumber.

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achew22:

dtm... thats an important skill if your going to try and help people with computers

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nosun:

damn ubuntu is downloading slowly

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dtm:

achew22: losing your fear of getting dumber? yes i know, absolutely.

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nosun:

:S

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achew22:

and the ability to repress things

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dtm:

achew22: i've worked in retail and isp support.

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achew22:

me too

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dtm:

while simultaneously architecting the same

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achew22:

well not isp but retail and I do IT

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** kormoc is scared for achew22's company. **

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dtm:

i'm not sure if i'm more scared for him or for his alleged customers

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achew22:

I used to do retail

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achew22:

i quit when I yelled at a customer

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kormoc:

customers don't place their livelyhood on his skills :P

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kormoc:

achew22, quit or fired?

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achew22:

a lot of both

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WHiTE^^BOX:

hmm.. after ripping a dvd.. then next? the vod files stayes in /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/SWAT/vob

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WHiTE^^BOX:

*vob

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Beirdo:

the "fuck you, you can't fire me, I quit!" method?

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achew22:

Beirdo no it was a "ohh shit i'm getting fired... I QUIT!"

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kormoc:

patented no less

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achew22:

I beat the bost to it

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D-side:

thats indeed what they all say.

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achew22:

i'm going to cry if you all keep making fun of me ;)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

wghelp anyone?

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achew22:

what happened to nosun

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kormoc:

achew22, just wondering. Having a grown man cry is expected to keep people from making fun of you?

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nosun:

sup

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nosun:

?

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achew22:

did you scare him away

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nosun:

I'm waiting for ubuntu

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nosun:

:p

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achew22:

kormoc I duno — its worked before though

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achew22:

nosun hop into the conversation

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achew22:

were tlaking about shitty jobs and stupid people

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achew22:

basicly were talking about me

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nosun:

ok just as long as you weren't talking about me;)

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nosun:

or were you:P

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achew22:

we were earler then we moved onto me yelling at customers

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achew22:

I liked my job 2 summers ago — I worked at a school when it was out of session

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nosun:

doing what/

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achew22:

I didn't have to deal with anyone other than my boss who was way smarter than me

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nosun:

lol

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achew22:

setting the macs up and upgrading to tigger

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nosun:

tigger:P

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achew22:

yes... tigger

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nosun:

hoo hoo hoo hoo

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achew22:

no typo

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achew22:

we called the cds tigger cds

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nosun:

did they bounce?

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nosun:

;)

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achew22:

i don't know

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achew22:

they were basicly mac slipstream cds

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nosun:

heh

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nosun:

I hate the school div

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nosun:

here anyway

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achew22:

we printed a logo that had tigger on them

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nosun:

so currupt

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jd86:

how can i determine what 'protocol version' my backend uses?

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nosun:

winnie the poo is from where I live;)

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kormoc:

jd86, it's version dependant

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achew22:

jd86 you should do mythbackend --version

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achew22:

i think its in there

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jd86:

i have a svn release, alright

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achew22:

ohh — thats unfortunate

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jd86:

heh

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kormoc:

jd86, just make sure all your frontends and backends and plugins use the same svn rev number, and you'll be fine

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nosun:

can't wait till I have enough $$$ to get more memory for my pvr box

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jd86:

yea

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nosun:

and maybe new cap card:P

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achew22:

get a pvr150

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achew22:

they go down to like 50$ every now and again

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jd86:

hey, is it possible to run a mythfrontend over the internet with a semi relighable connection (if i could spell)

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nosun:

you in Canada or US or what?

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nosun:

me in Canada;)

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kormoc:

jd86, sure, if you had the bandwidth

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jd86:

how much bandwidth are we talkin about?

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achew22:

lol 14mbps up would be a nice inet connection...

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kormoc:

jd86, depends on your recording settings

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jd86:

i'll have to give it a shot

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kormoc:

jd86, default, recording at 2 mbit + overhead

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kormoc:

jd86, and that's upstream bandwidth you'd need

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nosun:

currently my pvr has a 128 ddr strip

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nosun:

and thats all:P

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achew22:

kormoc is that 2 megabits or bytes?

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kormoc:

bits

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achew22:

thats possible for internet

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kormoc:

hence why I said 2 mbit for bits

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achew22:

ohh...

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achew22:

i wish I could read

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jd86:

possible maybe

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nosun:

I almost wish when I upgraded that one guys comp I didn't tell em that he could use his one 256 strip:P

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kormoc:

verizon's fiber service can do it, it should be 15 mbit down 5 mbit up iirc

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achew22:

how fast is google inet

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jd86:

i have 2mbits up

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jd86:

at the moment

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achew22:

jd86 can I stream into your computer?

[00:48:43]

nosun:

google serve's inet:S

[00:48:47]

nosun:

?

[00:48:48]

achew22:

yeah

[00:48:49]

jd86:

achew22: ?

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achew22:

in san fram

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achew22:

fran*

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nosun:

wow

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nosun:

didn't know:P

[00:49:02]

achew22:

its google wifi

[00:49:12]

nosun:

oh heh

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dtm:

achew22: infinitely so

[00:49:26]

jd86:

google is amazing

[00:49:33]

achew22:

google is taking over the world

[00:49:47]

nosun:

in Toronto I think they're planning on setting up a wifi isp thinger there

[00:50:01]

achew22:

googles inet is free

[00:50:04]

nosun:

apparently for the first few months will be free

[00:50:05]

jd86:

hey, this may be an incredibly stupid question, but is it possible to have multiple ir recievers on one "cable" with the hauppage cards? (crazy idea of mine heh) like in different rooms but still same input all like in a big loopy?

[00:50:12]

nosun:

I don't see how that is good

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achew22:

jd86 get a splitter.....

[00:50:26]

kormoc:

nosun, it'll be ad driven, according to what they've been saying

[00:50:41]

nosun:

anyone can go with a lappy and search up kiddie pron...... commit fraud

[00:50:41]

nosun:

:S

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bmk789:

google will take over the world

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nosun:

not that all would be doing that:p

[00:50:52]

achew22:

bmk789 I said it first

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kormoc:

nosun, isps are not accountable for that.

[00:51:04]

bmk789:

theyre gonna have their own counrty within a few years

[00:51:05]

nosun:

google earth reality ver1.0:P

[00:51:14]

bmk789:

i said it first

[00:51:20]

achew22:

jd86 make a splitter

[00:51:27]

achew22:

bmk I said it like 10 lines ago

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bmk789:

shoot, i need a bigger screen

[00:51:51]

nosun:

no google will likely buy out earth and force us to go to mars or poluto

[00:51:57]

nosun:

or something

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nosun:

:P

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jd86:

achew22: and how long of a cable can the reciever still work with? right now i used a cat 5 cable and just split it and extended it but i have a wierd idea to use the extra cables in my phone line (they used cat 5 and only use 2 wires of it) and have a reciever in all 3 rooms with the frontends, and use different remotes, and then get 3 video cards with rca out, and use cable modulators and connect them downstairs so each room doesn't need a

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jd86:

frontend

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nosun:

or live on the sun....

[00:52:16]

nosun:

of course during night though;)

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bmk789:

ouch

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achew22:

jd86 i'm no ee, but I would say that its probably easier to just put an ir receiver at each frontend

[00:53:21]

jd86:

achew22: but i don't want any frontend at each tv

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jd86:

achew22: i'm trying to remove 3 frontends and replace it with one SUPER frontend

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achew22:

so you want to cable modulate it to each....

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achew22:

thats crazy....

[00:53:42]

jd86:

huh?

[00:53:43]

jd86:

no

[00:53:49]

jd86:

downstairs where all the cable wires come together

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achew22:

crazy AWESOME

[00:53:53]

jd86:

i'll get 3 cable modulators

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kormoc:

jd86, get a rf remote, it works though walls

[00:54:04]

jd86:

heh downstairs

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achew22:

dude... put a pda or r remote in

[00:54:13]

jd86:

well i'll figure out something

[00:54:17]

jd86:

so i only have one frontend

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achew22:

yeah

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jd86:

with 3 video cards, using cable modulators

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jd86:

and some form of remote remote setup

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achew22:

yeah, remote is the easy part... i wanna see you get your frontend programmed to a channel

[00:54:55]

nosun:

PCI-X got to be useful for something;)

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kormoc:

achew22, cable modulator does that for you

[00:55:06]

achew22:

yeah... slr video cards....

[00:55:10]

jd86:

achew22: the remote is the hard part, i just go out to target or wwherever and buy 3 modulators

[00:55:21]

kormoc:

jd86, or just one and a few amps

[00:55:22]

achew22:

why do you need 3?

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bmk789:

wouldnt it be awesome to have linux on a PDA running myth frontend?

[00:55:35]

kormoc:

jd86, rf remotes are fine, x10 makes some iirc

[00:55:39]

jd86:

3 seperate inputs, 3 seperate cables

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bmk789:

like sony's locationfreeTV thing

[00:55:42]

jd86:

that was for the cable thing

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achew22:

jd86 just put 3 cards in 1 box

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jd86:

i don't know what to do about the remote honestly

[00:55:51]

D-side:

i wanted that locationfree thing

[00:55:52]

D-side:

so bad.

[00:55:54]

jd86:

the 3 tvs arent near each other

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achew22:

so...

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D-side:

not worth the $ for the thing though.

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** kormoc points jd86 at the lines he keeps saying **

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nosun:

pad mythtv frontend yes really kool:P

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nosun:

pda*

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achew22:

I have my xbox setup like that....

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achew22:

I got a rf controller and channel 3 is my xbox

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kormoc:

jd86, RF Remote, Radio Frequency, goes though walls, works...

[00:56:46]

jd86:

but once (and i'm pretty sure i will do it) i get all no frontend at the tv, i can convince the rest of the family to utilize it

[00:56:56]

jd86:

kormoc: how many walls, i have a x10 remote (rf i assume..) and i can't go that far

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nosun:

what type system do you need to make an all in one box

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nosun:

that what I don't understand what if you want a standalone box:P

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kormoc:

there's some high powered ones that go though a nice bit

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jd86:

kormoc: thats harder than the phone thing?

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kormoc:

60' or 90' I've heard about

[00:57:35]

jd86:

well downstairs is where i want the frontend to be

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kormoc:

depends on your walls

[00:57:38]

jd86:

yea

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jd86:

plus i need 3 rmeotes that work on different frequencies..

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nosun:

me I want my box to be 2 in one:P

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achew22:

use bluetooth for it

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achew22:

that would be awesome

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jd86:

this sounds $$

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kormoc:

of course

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nosun:

cause I don't want to have 2 comps doing what I think 1 should do:P

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jd86:

if i can actually do the remote thing thru the phone wires it'd be real cheap

[00:58:22]

jd86:

i have 1 computer thats back/frontend and then two other frontends

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kormoc:

latencys would be suckier imho

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jd86:

what i really want is 1 front and 1 back, to control all of the tvs in my house

[00:58:41]

kormoc:

and you'd need to amp the signal

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nosun:

jd86 there are remote extenders;)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mplayer interrupted by signal 11 In module: init_audio_codec

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jd86:

true nosun but i have 3 places will it work alright?

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jd86:

kormoc: well how far is the limit, it works great and i extended it like 15 feet already

[00:59:15]

WHiTE^^BOX:

cant play transc. dvd iso's?

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nosun:

3 remote extenders all pointing to the receiver why not:P

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kormoc:

jd86, it all depends on the design of the receiver, it could work for another 5' or another 50'

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achew22:

bluetooth

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jd86:

true, but its possible it could work

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jd86:

yea people i'm 17 i don't exactly have a life savings to play with on this..

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nosun:

one thing probably wouldn't be cheap on $$$

[01:00:09]

nosun:

:p

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achew22:

bluetooth is amazing.... my phone can bluetooth into my ocmputer from 3 houses over

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nosun:

lol

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jd86:

so the rf modulation for the tv is the easy part, the remote is the harder part, i will lookinto rf remotes and stuff

[01:00:36]

achew22:

its fucking amazing

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nosun:

isn't bluetooth suppose to be short distance:P

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achew22:

not type 2

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nosun:

heh

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achew22:

its got a 100' range

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jd86:

the way my house is situated i could provide wifi to half the town ;-)

[01:01:12]

achew22:

but my dongle is by a window so it goes way farther

[01:01:25]

nosun:

what I would love to do is find a way to tap into wifi keyboards;P

[01:01:26]

nosun:

:)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

anyone got mplayer to play dvd iso's ripped with myth?

[01:01:38]

achew22:

nosun wifi keyboards?

[01:01:40]

nosun:

spit out all that people are typing on it:)

[01:01:45]

nosun:

get some dirt:P

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: The normal way works fine.

[01:01:56]

WHiTE^^BOX:

normal way?

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nosun:

wireless keyboards

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achew22:

nosun it would be easier to give them a cd that had a autostart keylogger and make it a mixed cd so that it would play audio when they put it in

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WHiTE^^BOX:

when i rip a dvd as iso.. al goes fine..

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: Normal way to use mplayer to play .isos in mplayer (there is no difference between mtd created .isos and dd)

[01:02:34]

WHiTE^^BOX:

but.. when i want to play it.. mplayer complaines about audio codec

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nosun:

I think not achew

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achew22:

nosun I have to tell you it has worked before

[01:03:05]

nosun:

most wifi keyboards are piece's of shit

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nosun:

lol

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achew22:

dude — my wifi boards are encrypted

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WHiTE^^BOX:

which audio codec? :/

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nosun:

how much is cost?;)

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nosun:

lol

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achew22:

for what? the keyboard or the cds?

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nosun:

I think his keyboard is encrypted with AC3

[01:04:32]

nosun:

;P

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kormoc:

nosun, it's not hard to sniff the wireless keyboard keys

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kormoc:

nosun, it's been done before, http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/24/2050202.shtml

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nosun:

thanx

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WHiTE^^BOX:

X_o

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nosun:

:)

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: Run it with -v

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WHiTE^^BOX:

lemme try

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achew22:

I hate Yoko Ono so much

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WHiTE^^BOX:

atm the command is: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo -xv %s

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nosun:

how many of you sniff you mice?

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nosun:

and how about your rats;)

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nosun:

jk's

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achew22:

what?

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nosun:

nothing

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: And that works with other .isos you have?

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kormoc:

WHiTE^^BOX, or even better, does mplayer play the real dvd disk?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mplayer playes the real dvd disk

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WHiTE^^BOX:

eh.. the command atm is different

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WHiTE^^BOX:

it is:

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo -dvd-device %s dvd://1

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WHiTE^^BOX:

never tried playing iso before with mplayer

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: That would work for .iso as well where %s is the iso file name)

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achew22:

is there a way to get myth to let you use the mouse to click on items?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

yes

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kormoc:

I don't beleive so

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kormoc:

you can unhide the pointer

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kormoc:

but most of myth doesn't check for mouse events afaik

[01:11:54]

achew22:

too bad

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achew22:

cause myth would be really nice in a carputer

[01:12:11]

xris:

achew22: it's not designed for using the mouse

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Anduin:

Not yet, one day.

[01:12:24]

xris:

there are people adding touchscreen support, though....

[01:12:35]

kormoc:

a car computer with a cable connection?

[01:12:38]

achew22:

that would be very awesome

[01:12:39]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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** xris wonders what a carputer would need a mouse for. **

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achew22:

touchscreen....

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xris:

you can find info about the touchscreen support in the mailing list archives.

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WHiTE^^BOX:

Anduin.. mplayer gives: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_audio_codec

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Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: give the exact command line you are using

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kormoc:

the audio codec is crashing

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Agrajag-:

xris: chutt just said in the dev channel that he just added mouse support in menus in 6 minutes

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xris:

Agrajag-: nice. it's always been more of a "don't want to" issue with him, not an "it can't"

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, before, I beleive he said it was gonna be a pain to do so with all the themes and such.

[01:16:33]

xris:

or rather "it's hard"

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kormoc:

new ui code might have helped

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WHiTE^^BOX:

yes :/ but how come?

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xris:

I think the touchscreen people finally convinced him that it was a worthwhile thing to keep in.

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WHiTE^^BOX:

it was using another commandline instead :/

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WHiTE^^BOX:

thx aduin

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WHiTE^^BOX:

+n

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dscoular:

AngryElf: if you are having problems compiling unionfs you may want to look at giving http://funionfs.apiou.org/ a try.

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** D-side ponders a touchscreen car computer w/ mythtv. **

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achew22:

your still on that?

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AngryElf:

dscoular, that's not gonna help me compile the unionfs driver

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mchou:

I dont understand, are there OSS gps proggies for carputer?

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rtsai:

https://www.timekiller.org/carpc/index.php

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dscoular:

AngryElf: sure... I'm not sure why you are having problems compiling unionfs. I looked at the pastebin you sent... but wasn't sure what the problem was... maybe using one of the newer snapshot releases would help.

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mchou:

I mean that would be high on the priority list for installing a carputer

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D-side:

i can't think of any that are would fit my needs.

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poser:

I installed .19 on a new fedora install.. but when I setup a recording, then go to play it.. mythtv says that the file is missing

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D-side:

but then

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D-side:

i can't think of a real NEED to watch tv while driving.

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poser:

I checked permissions on the directory and it is good

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mchou:

and mythmusic is not exactly an ideal ui for a carputer

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dscoular:

AngryElf: ah... for some reason mere warning are being treated as errors in your compile of unionfs.

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mchou:

so the question is what proggie/interface ppl use for music in a carputer

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dscoular:

AngryElf: http://www.santafe.edu/projects/swarm//archiv . . . 02/0182.html

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mchou:

I dont even undertand how ppl store/dl movies in a carputer.....

[01:43:46]

mchou:

understand*

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mchou:

I mean do ppl shove 2GB over wireless or what?

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poser:

so I guess nobody knows why recordings dont get written to disk even though partitions are writeable by the user

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AngryElf:

dscoular, that doesn't work, neither does make -k

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** achew22 is away: Somehow I mannaged to get a girl — and she is at my house... ohh yeah! **

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D-side:

pizza delivery?

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dscoular:

AngryElf: what's the error this time ?

[02:00:26]

AngryElf:

well what you suggested didn't do anything

[02:00:42]

AngryElf:

with -k it spat out alot of stuff including errors/warrnings and finished with "Target all was not made because of errors"

[02:00:51]

AngryElf:

tried both with several different versions

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AngryElf:

including newish snapshots

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dscoular:

AngryElf: make -k is definately not what you want

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AngryElf:

INSTALL says that my kernel sources need to be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include ........i'm not sure if they are or not

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dscoular:

AngryElf: I think the problem is your compiler is treating warnings as errors.

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AngryElf:

it hasn't before

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AngryElf:

i compiled lame and myth in the last day among a bunch of other things

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dscoular:

AngryElf: well that's what the message in your pastebin says.

[02:03:14]

AngryElf:

yea i know

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dscoular:

AngryElf: give me a tick and I'll download unionfs too.

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AngryElf:

hang on

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AngryElf:

http://pastebin.com/631921 is output from that directory and another........are all the .h's my kernel source?

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dscoular:

AngryElf: it's nothing to do with your include files.

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dscoular:

AngryElf: try this... edit the Makefile and remove occurrences of -Werror

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dscoular:

AngryElf: it's the Werror causing problems coupled with the fact that you may have a very recent gcc.

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AngryElf:

dude

[02:10:46]

AngryElf:

so i went into #unionfs about an hour ago and asked this question......there's only 10 people so i wasn't expecting any immediate response

[02:10:55]

AngryElf:

5 seconds ago someone just chimed in with the exact same thing you just said

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AngryElf:

maybe i'll just try that then :)

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dscoular:

AngryElf: sure... the makefile is rather unusual in that its telling the compiler to treat all warnings as errors... gcc-4.x probably spits out a few more warnings than gcc-3.x and so you have problems methinks.

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AngryElf:

make -v says 3.80

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dscoular:

AngryElf: I'm talking about gcc not make

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Nothingman:

hey, all

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AngryElf:

oh, 4.02

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dscoular:

AngryElf: there you go

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Nothingman:

still having the same troubles with my comps as yesterday

[02:15:52]

AngryElf:

regardless, haven't gotten there yet.......http://pastebin.com/631939

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dscoular:

AngryElf: that doesn't look like you are simply running "make"

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AngryElf:

i am

[02:19:27]

dscoular:

AngryElf: do you have e2fsprogs-devel or equivalent installed ?

[02:20:55]

AngryElf:

i do now, but didn't help

[02:21:40]

dscoular:

AngryElf: your compile is failing to find the include file uuid/uuid.h

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dscoular:

AngryElf: uuid/uuid.h is part of the e2fsprogs-devel packages.

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dscoular:

s/packages/package/

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dscoular:

AngryElf: do you have a /usr/include/uuid now ?

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AngryElf:

i found the package

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AngryElf:

it compiled

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dscoular:

AngryElf: as I said... I found sym links easier ;)

[02:24:18]

AngryElf:

whatever i'm a noob on a compiling rampage

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AngryElf:

one more down

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AngryElf:

muahahaha

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jd86:

one... two... three shows that didn't record :(

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AngryElf:

sweet...modprobe unionfs w/o errors

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jasperbg:

anyone here using mythmusic?

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jasperbg:

the damn thing crashes as soon as i choose 'listen to music'. mythfrontend just dies with no error

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xris:

jasperbg: -v all

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jasperbg:

yeah. already have that option. one whole lot of stuff in the logs but no error

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dscoular:

jasperbg: do the scan for new music and playlist dialogs work ?

[02:35:45]

jasperbg:

hmm. did scan for new music and now listen to music doesn't crash

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jasperbg:

maybe it should have a nicer error when music hasn't been scanned (rather than just crashing...)

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dscoular:

jasperbg: maybe

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jasta:

jasperbg: I use mythmusic, and I get frequent crashes when opening or modifying the active play queue.

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dscoular:

jasperbg: what version ?

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** xris kicks the mysql server at work **

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jasta:

Unfortunately, the crash does not exist in mythmusic's library space.

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jasperbg:

0.19

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jasta:

So I do not believe it a mythmusic bug. I have yet to figure out the true cause though.

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jasperbg:

jasta: oh well, if it crashes again i'll take a closer look in to it.

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jasperbg:

my play, ff, rw buttons on my remote don't seem to work in mythmusic either, but they work everywhere else. do i need to bind them seperately in lircrc ?

[02:40:14]

xris:

yeah, separate app

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jasta:

I've been thinking of a way to setup my mythbox to behave more like an on-demand device. I want to significantly improve boot times and set it up to be gracefully shutdown with the power switch.

[02:40:20]

jasta:

gracefully and quickly.

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xris:

jasta: suspend/resume datafiles would be cool

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abarbaccia:

hey guys

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abarbaccia:

i brought this issue up before (suspend / resume )

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abarbaccia:

so ubuntu supports putting you machine to sleep

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abarbaccia:

but how do you wake it so you dont miss a recording

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xris:

abarbaccia: don't suspend the backend

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jasta:

xris: I was not aware Linux had any kind of support for that?

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abarbaccia:

xris: what if they are both the same machine

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jasta:

abarbaccia: You could separate them and possibly bridge with some kind of Wake-On-LAN setup.

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abarbaccia:

what i'm thinking of is using some sort of webserver to schedule the wake on lan function

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xris:

abarbaccia: I don't think it works so well that way

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jasta:

but the exact details of that configuration may be nightmarish.

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xris:

jasta: I believe that SOME bioses support a wake-up timer... but I'm not entirely sure about that, and know it's definitely not a universal thing

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abarbaccia:

so if you could tell when you need to be woken up, and send that data to some sort of webserver, and the webserver simply generates the wol packet and sends it to your IP – tell your router to bcast it and then you're set

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xris:

abarbaccia: I was thinking more along the lines of suspend-to-ram like laptops use

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abarbaccia:

xris: but wakeup time would have to be a dynamic thing which would be tricky – writing to bios CSRs is not something I want to try programiming thats for sure

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jasperbg:

xris: so why does my pause and up/down/enter etc work, just not my play/ff/rw ?

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abarbaccia:

xris: which is fine, but when you suspend to ram (which is what ubuntu does when it sleeps) you miss any scheduled jobs

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xris:

abarbaccia: yeah. would need a wakeup timer for that.

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xris:

jasperbg: are you binding keypresses or events?

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abarbaccia:

xris: or do that webpage implementation i described before

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xris:

abarbaccia: doesn't help people with same-machine setups.

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abarbaccia:

sure it does

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abarbaccia:

if you can schedule it to wake up the machine before a recording

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jasperbg:

xris: i have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file, with stuff like prog = mythtv button = ChannelUp repeat = 3 Config = Up

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xris:

yeah, but that takes a separate machine

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abarbaccia:

right – like a webserver thats doing nothing (aka abarbaccia.com)

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xris:

jasperbg: that's keypresses

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jasperbg:

xris: so what should i do to fix this?

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xris:

use the mythtv native method

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xris:

thought mine was set up like that, but it's just buttons, too

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xris:

er, keys

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xris:

mythtv can communicate directly with lirc so it doesn't have to emulate keypresses, but can just send a signal like "play"

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xris:

your problem is that mythmusic uses a different key for play than the rest of the frontend

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JohnP789:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7778834]invalid mb type in I Frame at 0 14

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JohnP789:

Any pointers on what would cause that with a PVR-500MCE?

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xris:

JohnP789: from what program?

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JohnP789:

mythfrontend, during playback.

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xris:

and what happens?

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JohnP789:

The video seems to skip forward a bit, maybe a second or so.

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xris:

it's a file corruption of some kind

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xris:

could be ivtv compensating for a funky input signal

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JohnP789:

My ivtv is from ~September last year. Any chance there's been a fix?

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jasperbg:

xris: i am using the mythtv native method

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xris:

not if it's a problem with the input signal

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JohnP789:

(This problem is really rare, so I'm not too motivated.)

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jasperbg:

irxevent or whatever it's called isn't running

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xris:

jasperbg: ah, then I'm clueless

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jasperbg:

ok

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jasperbg:

thanks anyway

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xris:

jasperbg: mythmusic is a separate app... maybe you can configure your lircrc accordingly?

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jasperbg:

yeah i'll try putting some lines prog = mythmusic in there

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Kyler:

Grrr...I haven't been monitoring my Myth box lately and another string of recordings was ruined because Myth tried to record a PPV channel. Any way of keeping it from adding channels on its own?

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xris:

Kyler: there was a setting somewhere about ignoring newly-added channels. I forget where it is, though

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Kyler:

Oh! That's great! Last time I asked I was told there wasn't any way. Perhaps it was just added. I'll look. Thank you.

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xris:

I don't see anything in the settings table, though. maybe it was an xmltv setting.

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JohnP789:

Hmm. Seeking around in this file is also messed up. Can't seek after the first hour, but the file is ~90min long.

[02:57:50]

JohnP789:

Guess I'll schedule it to record "Office Space" again. Won't be long until it's on again. :-)

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Kyler:

xris: I thought xmltv wasn't used anymore; it's integrated into Myth, right?

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xris:

Kyler: in the US, yes... not outside. but I'm probably remembering back before datadirect.

[03:01:17]

JohnP789:

What is involved in migrating a long-running 0.18.1 setup to SVN?

[03:01:22]

Kyler:

Ah...got it.

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Beirdo:

xris: US & Canada :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

Beirdo: oh, yeah.

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xris:

Kyler: so "no".. and I agree, it's quite annoying

[03:02:17]

Kyler:

I have a wrapper for my listing updating script already. I'm thinking of just adding something that deletes new channels.

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xris:

I messed up a week's worth of recordings because a channel was added and matched a search recording... but when my Dish receiver goes to a non-subscribed channel, it sticks there on an error until you hit channel up/down (any other button is ignored). I had to dig out my remote to clear it.

[03:03:13]

Kyler:

It should be fairly straightforward to scan the channels that are there before the update then delete others after.

[03:03:20]

xris:

yeah

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Kyler:

xris: I experimented with hitting "down" as part of my channel changing script. That didn't go well. I might try it again.

[03:04:27]

xris:

Kyler: yeah. slow.

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xris:

I thought the same

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Kyler:

I don't watch live TV so the speed isn't much of an issue.

[03:04:47]

xris:

true

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xris:

interferes with shows that come on one after another, though

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Kyler:

I have four capture cards. It's not a big problem.

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xris:

lol

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xris:

I have one. heh

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xris:

someday I will own a yard big enough for my wife to let me hide a c-band dish. heh

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** AngryElf has a HD in his mythbox he didn't know was there **

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AngryElf:

i wonder how big it is

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xris:

hahaha

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dscoular:

AngryElf: dmesg might tell you.

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dscoular:

AngryElf: or /proc/ide/... if it's an ide drive.

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AngryElf:

oh, i was adding a new drive so i had it apart

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AngryElf:

it was 80g

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D-side:

back.

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D-side:

howdy boys

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opello:

mr D-side

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D-side:

sup

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opello:

so how's that car computer pipe dream coming? :)

[03:49:57]

D-side:

i momentarily forgot

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D-side:

i'm not sure if i want to thank you for reminding me

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opello:

heh

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AngryElf:

if recordings are stored on ext3 and the frontend deletes a large recording, will the frontend hang during the delete process?

[03:51:14]

jasperbg:

I currently have ALSA:default in my audio output device setting, but I actually want it to play through the second device (card 1). what should I put in there to facilitate that?

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D-side:

channel editor...

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Cromz:

D-side, hmm car computer? :>

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D-side:

bah stop it all of you

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Cromz:

I'm interested in that too.. just I dont have the funds for it.

[04:11:14]

Cromz:

course dunno if I'll run myth on it ;)

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Cromz:

http://www.xenarc.com/index.html some day.. lol

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jams:

thats right some day

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jams:

I have come close to buying that thing several times

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Cromz:

lol

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profbooty:

that is incredibly sexy

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jasperbg:

what's up with "Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)" in my logs? relating to my sound card obviously but there's no sample rates set anywhere that i can see...

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AngryElf:

so i compiled myth, but i'm used to fedora's rpm's way of starting stopping /sbin/service mythbackend start/stop/etc.............how do i start/stop if i compiled it myself??

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dtm:

AngryElf: find the rc script in the contrib dir

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D-side:

aw. i was hoping i could use mythweb to setup channel icons.

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jasperbg:

anyone seen "Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)" in their logs? know what it means?

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jimg:

question: is anyone else having issues with ivtv-0.6.0 and mythtv recording?

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media_:

anyone know if there is a ivtv channel?

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Beirdo:

#ivtv-dev

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jasperbg:

hmm

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jasperbg:

if I am using ALSA:hw:1,0 as my sound output device

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jasperbg:

what should be my mixer instead of default

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jasperbg:

hw:1,0 doesn't work

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jimg:

I think my problem is myth related, I changed the input to s-video 1, but it shows to be attempting to record to s-video 0, this is with the latest available from atrpms

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jasperbg:

anyone?

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jimg:

Is there a way to change to verify the inputs in the mysql database?

[04:45:07]

AngryElf:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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AngryElf:

unionfs 377G 252G 125G 67% /files

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dscoular:

AngryElf: happy now ?

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AngryElf:

it's pretty sweet

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jasperbg:

how come when my keyboard is plugged in and my remote is /dev/input/event1, i can cat it and see garbage when i press buttons, but when i unplug my keyboard and my remote becomes event0, cat doesn't output anything!?

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jasperbg:

i confirmed in /proc/bus/input/devices that my remote is indeed /dev/input/event0

[05:00:15]

jasperbg:

but nothing comes out of that device when i press buttons on my remote

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jasperbg:

and yet if i plug my keyboard back in and the remote becomes event1

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jasperbg:

it works

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jasperbg:

dammit i'll just plug the keyboard back in

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dscoular:

jasperbg: evtest is a better testing tool than cat methinks.

[05:05:25]

jasperbg:

dscoular: sure, but regardless, nothing is coming through that device when i press buttons, while when it is event1, i get output

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dscoular:

jasperbg: even with evtest ?

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jasperbg:

i will try, but it is really just a sophisticated cat :)

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dscoular:

cat and your terminal will try to interpret the binary output of /dev/input/event* evtest will parse it first and output it as ascii

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jasperbg:

yeah. but i always get output on event1 with cat. it's garbage, but it's output. on event0 i get nothing

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jasperbg:

evtest the same

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dscoular:

jasperbg: do the major and minor device numbers look correct ?

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jasperbg:

i'll check

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jasperbg:

yeah, they look fine

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jasperbg:

not a big deal anyway, i'll just leave the keyboard plugged in i guess

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SlicerDicer-:

damn damn damn

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SlicerDicer-:

well I deleted the HDTV channels and when I did from the programming line up as soon as it updated from zap2it BLAMMO put them right back :/

[06:52:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: If you don't have HD, then remove them on zap2it, or un-check the 'visible' checkbox on MythWeb's channel setup screen.

[06:53:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

oops SlicerDicer- see above

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J-e-f-f-A:

If you Do have HD, and want the listings to come from zap2it, there's a couple of 'hoops' to jump through to get it all working smoothly...

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe I have 2 tuners J-e-f-f-A

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: you should seriously change your nick its a pain to tab complete

[06:58:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- – two HD tuners? [nick — yeah, I just haven't thought of a good one yet... is "mythjunkie" taken yet?]

[06:58:36]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[06:58:41]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I got 2 tuners

[06:58:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I am about to have 3

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- I have 1 HD3000 and 3 Dish Network receivers feeding s-video to a PVR500 and PVR250.

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- Just trying to work out the kinks on getting my 'main' frontend to play 1080i...

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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[07:05:47]

SlicerDicer-:

BITE ME JEFF!!!

[07:05:54]

** SlicerDicer- throws the bird at him for having fios **

[07:06:08]

SlicerDicer-:

lucky bastard

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phar0e:

I hope SlicerDicer-'s cable company removes all his HD channels

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, that didn't work out so well — I tried to change my nick to 'MythTVjunkie', and couldn't send anything to the list... And then when I tried to re-connect it said I was banned — What's up w/that?

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: what kinda speed you got with fios

[07:14:28]

phar0e:

J-e-f-f-A: are you still awake?!

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** SlicerDicer- stabs J-e-f-f-A **

[07:15:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- Yeah, I'm here (well, I'm back after a failed attempt at creating 'MythTVjunkie'...)

[07:15:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm getting 15Mbps down, 2Mbps up...

[07:15:30]

SlicerDicer-:

fucker

[07:15:32]

SlicerDicer-:

!!!!!!

[07:15:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

[07:16:08]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh well where I am is a test bed for FTTP with Century Tel

[07:18:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e: Yep... No special events tomorrow... Got XvMC working, and 1080i almost plays now. I suspect it's the MB that's the issue now as it plays fine for 2 secs, then I get a bunch of "NVP: Prebuffering pause" messages...

[07:19:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- Yep, all that speed, and only $44.95/month... (US$ of course)

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SlicerDicer-:

of course USD

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- I wasn't sure if you were in the US (you never know on this channel), but then again, if you know what FiOS is, you probably would be, eh?

[07:21:08]

SlicerDicer-:

errrm yeah?

[07:21:11]

SlicerDicer-:

and century tel?

[07:21:13]

SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- I'm not familiar with Century tel — where's that?

[07:21:48]

SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: I got 12/1

[07:21:53]

SlicerDicer-:

wtih comcast

[07:22:10]

SlicerDicer-:

I want the 30/5 though from FIOS :/

[07:22:18]

SlicerDicer-:

thats how much I pay fricken comcast

[07:23:10]

xris:

stop gloating/complaining/whatever. heh. I pay $90/month for 2M/512k dsl

[07:23:23]

xris:

granted, it'd be 3M/768k if I lived closer to the CO

[07:23:36]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: thats your own damn fault! get cable mon! ;-)

[07:23:53]

xris:

I will as soon as cable will give me a static IP with reverse dns

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SlicerDicer-:

errm I have static

[07:24:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- Ahh... Comcast — the people I ditched for FiOS... I was a Comcast slave for 7 years. I was a satisfied customer for the first 4 years until they kept upping their speed to compete with Verizon and their network couldn't handle it. But I couldn't switch to DSL as I didn't have an analog phone... as far as 30/5 — that would be nice, but it's $179/month here...

[07:24:12]

SlicerDicer-:

I pay out the ass but I got static xris

[07:24:31]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: may I pm you?

[07:24:46]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: I still don't get why people ask me that.

[07:24:48]

xris:

yes

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SlicerDicer-:

respect

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dtm:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- I don't have a static, but that's what dyndns.org is for, right?

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dtm:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah. it's not like you're going to get out of smtp RBLs

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dtm:

on a consumer network

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Trying to play 1080i on a PIII 1GHz w/GF 5500 — Thought I was seeing 85% cpu usage in top, but dummy me — it's 87.1% us, 13.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id — so that's 100% busy... Why doesn't top show 'mythfrontend' consuming resources?

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J-e-f-f-A:

[er 12.9% sy = 100%]

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J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e – you still here?

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phar0e:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e: any thoughts? I thought perhaps 'LCD proc' was getting in the way, but I've shut that off, and didn't help any.

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phar0e:

dunno

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jasperbg:

in you guys' experience, which should use more cpu, the frontend or the backend?

[08:01:46]

jasperbg:

i would've thought backend as it is encoding (i don't have a hardware MPEG2 card)

[08:03:03]

jasperbg:

watching live tv, my frontend is using 70–80% CPU, with my backend using 10–20%. they are the same machine.

[08:03:05]

jasperbg:

is that normal?

[08:05:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: Depends on the compression format, but I'd guess that is normal, especially since for playback the computer's got to de-interlace and scale the video.

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jasperbg:

it's playing back on a TV, so there's no de-interlacing involved. wouldn't be scaling either would it, as the incoming signal is the correct number of lines for a TV already.

[08:06:41]

jasperbg:

it's MPEG4.

[08:06:57]

jasperbg:

i would have expected encoding to be more CPU-intensive than decoding, no?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: yeah, MPEG4 is a cpu hog.

[08:07:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: I think it's more of a cpu hog on decoding than encoding, but I could be wrong...

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jasperbg:

oh ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: What are your MPEG4 settings? I'm not using MPEG4 yet, I was concerned about quality...

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: you wouldn't want to use it if you have hardware encoder cards.

[08:13:23]

xris:

you'd be stuck with nupplevideo files that only myth can play

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ok, that makes sense... Come to think about it, it would have 'broken' my ShowCenter playback capability... I was thinking along the lines of saving disk space, but with 760GB, I should just stick with MPEG2...

[08:14:44]

jasperbg:

J-e-f-f-A: I'll just look. I have the choice between that and RTJPEG, and I thought MPEG4 was better quality?

[08:15:14]

jasperbg:

I'm planning on getting a hauppage dual-tuner card soon anyway, which has onboard MPEG2 encoding

[08:15:27]

haj:

anyone have a script that does automatic nuvexports to xvid with a nice namingscheme ?

[08:15:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg, xris — I may still want to use MPEG4 for my son & wife's stuff, which will only be played back Myth anyways...

[08:16:12]

haj:

jasperbg: be careful in your motherboard-choice with that hauppauge-card :) i got it, it's nice, but i had to try 3 s939-motherboards before i found a compatible one :)

[08:16:42]

jasperbg:

J-e-f-f-A: 480x480 MPEG4, 2200 bitrate, 2 max quality, 15 min quality, 3 max quality diff. between frames, scale for frame size on, interlaced DCT, interlaced motion estimation, not high-quality and not 4MV encoding

[08:17:41]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: that's fine. mpeg4 transcoded from good files is usually ok.. but I found that when using it to record, only the highest quality looked anything remotely close to my pvr-150 (and it wasn't that close)

[08:19:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: How good does it look? Do you notice any compression artifacts, or is it as good as 'live'?

[08:22:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: and approximately how big is a 1-hour program? (I'm using MPEG2 at 400x480, Bitrate 3600,max Bitrate 4800 and I end up with about 1.6GB/hr and it's very good quality with very few compression artifacts — note: source is Dish Network at 544x480 NTSC)

[08:24:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: thx for the MPEG4 settings info btw!

[08:26:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: btw – I have a PVR-500 and I'm very happy with it. I basically have the whole 'family' of PCI cards-- one of each now that I think about it! (My current system has a HD3000, PVR-500 and PVR-250, and I also have a 350 and 150 that are not currently being used)

[08:35:59]

jasperbg:

J-e-f-f-A: There are definitely compression artefacts. I haven't recorded anything yet (only just got mythtv all up and running) but will let you know once I have.

[08:36:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: I guess I'll stick with MPEG2 then... even at the resolution/bitrate I'm using now, the quality is excellent...

[08:37:23]

jasperbg:

the thing that got me worrying about the CPU usage was that it is choppy, a jerk every 15 seconds or so

[08:37:42]

jasperbg:

it's an athlon xp 2700+ so should be able to handle 1 live tv stream with those settings

[08:39:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: My backend is a dual-cpu PIII 866 MHz w/512MB ram. It plays SD programs without a hitch...

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jasperbg:

yeah, it's weird

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J-e-f-f-A:

(while recording up to 4 at the same time with hardware encoders)

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jasperbg:

it's only got 256MB RAM, but it's not nearly using it all while playing live tv

[08:40:10]

jasperbg:

myth is all it does

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jasperbg:

i'm thinking it might be the ATA100 drives

[08:40:24]

jasperbg:

might chuck a SATA in there

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: Ick--- only 256mb and ata100? With an XP2700+ — Yeah, that would probably do it... especially doing software encoding.

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Hoxzeri:

I have 768 ram on my box

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J-e-f-f-A:

jasperbg: I'd put 1GB ram in my backend, but it's Rambus ram, and it's darn expensive... so it's living with 512MB now and works fine...

[08:42:10]

Hoxzeri:

But how do i use internal player as media playr?

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jasperbg:

J-e-f-f-A: had 768 but 512 of it was faulty, choppy playback beats segfaults

[08:44:04]

jasperbg:

J-e-f-f-A: it's not swapping though

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hashbang:

my combined frontend/backend/internal DNS/firewall/privoxy box seems happy enough with 512M. 256M was a bit tight, though.

[08:48:13]

hashbang:

(FC4)

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stuarta:

hashbang: obviously don't do any development on that box then.

[08:51:29]

hashbang:

stuarta: well, I rebuild mythtv on that box occasionally. Besides, my main machine is only a P4 2.4 w/512M also.

[08:51:36]

hashbang:

neither of them swap.

[08:51:41]

jasperbg:

hashbang: this box has 256M and has about half of that free. no swapping

[08:51:47]

jasperbg:

so i don't think it's a memory issue

[08:52:09]

hashbang:

jasperbg: well, having some memory free so that MySQL can cache its stuff is useful

[08:53:01]

jasperbg:

100MB free should be suitable for a database that is only 2.4MB? anyway it is the video that is choppy, that doesn't go thru MySQL... maybe the ATA100 drives are causing it

[08:53:46]

hashbang:

http://pastebin.ca/47674 # remember to tune MySQL also

[08:54:00]

hashbang:

also, I'm not doing any MPEG encoding, seeing as I'm using DVB-T cards

[08:54:26]

jasperbg:

yeah. i really don't think mysql is part of the problem, there are no queries happening while i'm watching live tv

[08:54:36]

jasperbg:

watching mytop the mysql server is totally idle

[08:54:38]

hashbang:

this is on a Celeron 1.7 w/ a Seagate 7200.9 disc. ATA UDMA is enabled, obviously, and it's hanging off a Promise controller.

[08:54:58]

hashbang:

jasperbg: yeah, MySQL thrashes about a bit when mythtv starts, or changes channels, but that should be it.

[08:55:00]

jasperbg:

yeah, UDMA on here too. i'm getting a new SATA drive for my main machine tomorrow so will put the old one from there into my myth box

[08:55:03]

jasperbg:

that might help

[08:55:27]

hashbang:

oh, Intel chipset, needless to say, given it's a Celeron.

[08:55:28]

jasperbg:

it appears to be cpu-bound though, and it's an athlon xp 2700 so shouldn't really be

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hashbang:

jasperbg: VIA chipset?

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jasperbg:

hashbang: yes it is

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hashbang:

http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kern . . . 09/7761.html

[08:57:47]

jasperbg:

if that thread identified the problem, i would expect to see this as i/o bound

[08:57:50]

jasperbg:

but it is cpu bound

[08:58:01]

hashbang:

jasperbg: what does top say, then?

[08:58:30]

jasperbg:

97.9% us, 2.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si

[08:58:36]

jasperbg:

it's all userspace work

[08:58:42]

jasperbg:

see 0.0% wa

[08:58:46]

jasperbg:

so it's not waiting on i/o

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hashbang:

jasperbg: and the process(es) that are at the top of the list?

[08:59:02]

jasperbg:

6114 mythtv 15 0 168m 18m 13m S 88.0 7.3 129:58.48 mythfrontend

[08:59:02]

jasperbg:

6108 root 15 0 37060 11m 11m S 9.8 4.6 3:39.10 X

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jasperbg:

5563 mythtv 15 0 226m 30m 5260 S 1.2 12.4 5:58.00 mythbackend

[08:59:06]

hashbang:

yow!

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jasperbg:

this is just watching live tv, nothing else

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hashbang:

my Celeron only uses ~20% CPU to decode the MPEG stream from the DVB-T card when watching live TV.

[08:59:30]

hashbang:

jasperbg: video card? driver?

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jasperbg:

video card is nvidia geforce4 MX 440 on agp 8x using tv out

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jasperbg:

with the binary nvidia driver

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hashbang:

8178?

[09:00:20]

jasperbg:

checking...

[09:00:26]

jasperbg:

yes

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hashbang:

all the same as me, then.

[09:01:20]

hashbang:

jasperbg: how is MythTV's TV Settings->Playback configured? Standard, libmpeg2, or Standard XvMC?

[09:01:21]

jasperbg:

it's software encoding MPEG4, but the encoding is happening in backend, which is only 1.2% usage

[09:01:26]

jasperbg:

XvMC

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hashbang:

XvMC is broken in 8178

[09:01:38]

jasperbg:

ah

[09:01:42]

jasperbg:

what's next best choice?

[09:01:42]

hashbang:

try switching it back to standard or libmpeg2

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hashbang:

standard for me, but libmpeg2 is recommended for some AMD CPUs.

[09:02:17]

hashbang:

also, GL vsync enabled? turn that off too.

[09:03:33]

jasperbg:

still same on libmpeg2, i'll turn of gl vsync

[09:04:38]

jasperbg:

that's done it. it was the gl vsync

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jasperbg:

down to 10% now

[09:05:00]

jasperbg:

thanks heaps

[09:06:44]

jasperbg:

using a lot more memory now though

[09:06:48]

jasperbg:

is that to be expected?

[09:07:43]

jasperbg:

before it has 100MB free, now it's 86MB into swap

[09:09:44]

hashbang:

jasperbg: does vmstat indicate that it's /actively/ swapping, or just that it has previously swapped 86M out?

[09:09:58]

jasperbg:

actively swapping

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hashbang:

(do 'vmstat 1' and watch the 'si' and 'so' columns)

[09:10:15]

jasperbg:

switching back to XvMC but leaving GL vsync off doesn't make the CPU usage go back up, but stops the swapping

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hashbang:

what video source is this?

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jasperbg:

a philips saa7134 tuner

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jasperbg:

software mpeg4 encoding

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hashbang:

just analogue TV, then?

[09:11:28]

jasperbg:

yup

[09:11:32]

hashbang:

weird.

[09:11:41]

hashbang:

it shouldn't really need to do much at all to watch live TV.

[09:11:50]

jasperbg:

yeah

[09:11:51]

hashbang:

at least, that's my understanding.

[09:12:03]

hashbang:

what resolution are you running at?

[09:12:09]

jasperbg:

480x480

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jasperbg:

well now it seems to be ok. 10% cpu usage, no swapping, using XvMC with no gl vsync

[09:12:18]

hashbang:

really?

[09:12:23]

jasperbg:

yeah

[09:12:30]

hashbang:

software scaling, maybe. Why 480x480?

[09:12:45]

jasperbg:

oh well if by resolution you mean the size set under recording profiles

[09:12:56]

hashbang:

no, the screen resolution, in X.

[09:13:01]

jasperbg:

oh. 1 sec

[09:13:44]

jasperbg:

easy way to find out what res it's currently in?

[09:13:49]

jasperbg:

tv won't tell me

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stuarta:

xdpyinfo

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jasperbg:

cheers

[09:15:35]

jasperbg:

640x480

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hashbang:

NZ is PAL, right?

[09:16:12]

jasperbg:

yup

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hashbang:

can you get 800x600 going?

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hashbang:

OTOH, if you're all OK now, stop tinkering. :-)

[09:16:42]

jasperbg:

my modeline specifies 800x600 before 640x480, but the driver chooses 640 for some reason

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hashbang:

jasperbg: probably the TV out.

[09:16:54]

jasperbg:

yeah

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stuarta:

640x480 is fine for tv out

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jasperbg:

might just leave it as is. gonna get myself a hardware encoding dual tuner beastie soon anyway

[09:17:43]

stuarta:

aren't you guys getting dvb-t soon?

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jasperbg:

are we!? exciting

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jasperbg:

what's your source for that?

[09:18:09]

jasperbg:

we're usually 10+ years behind the rest of the world with technology...

[09:18:22]

jasperbg:

we still get charged $69.95+ a month for 2Mbit broadband

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jasperbg:

we have a monopoly on the local loop

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jasperbg:

10GB cap, i should mention

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hashbang:

jasperbg: 2Mbit is ~Â£14.99 to Â£29.99 per month here, depending on whether you want a cap or not.

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jasperbg:

not possible to get it without a cap here. they're about to go up to 3.5Mbit but the contention ratio is doubling to 140-odd

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hashbang:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds29690.html says 2007/2008

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jasperbg:

plus there's rate-shaping on p2p traffic and anything going to a non-telecom (the monopoly) network, even within the country, routes internationally

[09:21:03]

stuarta:

http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/new_zealand/

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hashbang:

I'd say spending lots of money on analogue gear now is probably a bad idea.

[09:21:45]

jasperbg:

yeah. $200-odd for a dual tuner one is ok though, if i get a good couple of year's service out of it

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jasperbg:

2007/2008 for TVNZ etc probably means late 2008 possible 2009

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hashbang:

fair 'nuff.

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hashbang:

I just paid Â£40 each for my Hauppauge Nova-T cards.

[09:22:59]

** hashbang was considering emigrating to NZ yesterday. **

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hashbang:

(and it may still happen)

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jasperbg:

we have a beautiful country

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jasperbg:

but the technology uptake sucks

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hashbang:

...and no ID cards.

[09:23:37]

hashbang:

(yet, anyway)

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jasperbg:

:)

[09:23:46]

jasperbg:

over most NZers dead bodies, i would imagine

[09:24:04]

jasperbg:

we have a disproportionate amount of greenies :) (no disrespect to greenies)

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hashbang:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3616739a1861,00.html # some folks are asking for it, though

[09:24:38]

jasperbg:

yeah. we also have very vocal minorities

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jasperbg:

in both directions

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jasperbg:

you only have to be a little controversial and you're in the news

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jasperbg:

lol, nearly was gonna say "jeez, they don't even try to be unbiased in that article"

[09:25:40]

jasperbg:

then realised it's an opinion piece

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jasperbg:

:|

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hashbang:

jasperbg: what's the best area for a Linux/IT Security geek?

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hashbang:

Wellington?

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Juski:

TFIPD ! (& TFIF)

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jasperbg:

wellington is the second best city in NZ

[09:26:26]

jasperbg:

and it's the best big city

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stuarta:

Juski: I agree & good morning

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jasperbg:

auckland probably has more job prospects etc but is a bitch to live in

[09:26:41]

eiggirC:

yeah

[09:26:47]

eiggirC:

auckland is a hole

[09:26:51]

eiggirC:

and christchurch is mine

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eiggirC:

:)

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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** Juski is making a space model today **

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jasperbg:

yeah i live in chch too

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hashbang:

jasperbg: the stuff I was reading about auckland suggested it would be like the Thames Valley in the UK.

[09:27:13]

jasperbg:

hashbang: know nothing about Thames Vly

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hashbang:

jasperbg: lots of 'keeping up with the joneses'

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eiggirC:

jasperbg: got any vacancies for a geek?

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** stuarta has had every project he's working on cancelled. **

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Juski:

ouch!

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jasperbg:

but auckland has severe traffic probs, has a dirty and smelly inner city, and too many rich people

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jasperbg:

:P

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stuarta:

still getting paid so I don't care...

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jasperbg:

eiggirC: no, sorry

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hashbang:

jasperbg: sounds like Wellington is the place for me, then.

[09:28:07]

jasperbg:

stuarta: the best way eh?

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Juski:

that's the spirit, stuarta ;-)

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eiggirC:

jasperbg: bugger. thanks anyway :)

[09:28:22]

jasperbg:

hashbang: yes, it's a really nice place, if a little windy :)

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stuarta:

leaves more time for talking to you guys :)

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hashbang:

tch, I've lived on the east coast of england. /That's/ windy!

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eiggirC:

anwyay – dishes to wash. Later all.

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hashbang:

jasperbg: is a salary of ~NZ$53K per year reasonably achievable for a Linux job?

[09:29:43]

hashbang:

(or security job)

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jasperbg:

hashbang: would depend on experience etc., but i would say yes

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jasperbg:

we pay the CEO of telecom 2.7 million or something to do practically nothing other than defend her piece of shit monopoly on television

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jasperbg:

:D

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hashbang:

jasperbg: housing certainly seems much more reasonable in NZ.

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** Juski is underpaid for what he does, but paid well over the average for the job title **

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jasperbg:

yeah, house prices are very crazy at the moment though. just don't try and get somewhere where you can see the sea

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Juski:

and I get my own helper (bitch) on Monday :-D

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** stuarta has more meetings with the boss this arvo to get to the bottom of things **

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eiggirC:

Juski: "pfy" is the jargon

[09:32:41]

Juski:

pfy?

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hashbang:

eiggirC: I've been working with Linux since 1995, and in network security since 1997...

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pjn:

Pigs Fly Yourway

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eiggirC:

Juski: read some bofh

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jasperbg:

house near my old home in Nelson sold for 1.4 million just recently, was purchased for 300k four years ago

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eiggirC:

hashbang: heh I'm a yungun.... started on kernel 1.2.1

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Juski:

I do, but never knew wtf pfy meant

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eiggirC:

not even a 0. kernel.

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eiggirC:

Juski: oh – Pimply Faced Youth

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Juski:

lol

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hashbang:

eiggirC: also, that's nowhere near what I'm on in the UK, but I think/hope it'll provide an equivalent standard of living, which is what matters, as long as I'm not planning on coming back to the UK, ever.

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pjn:

I remember kernel modules coming around and thought they were pretty cool at the tmie

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eiggirC:

hashbang: fair enough. Just don't own a car in wellington – parking is outrageously expensive

[09:34:36]

** Juski wonder why this new front panel keyboard has a 'panic' button **

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eiggirC:

Juski: a boss-key perhaps ?

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Juski:

lol

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hashbang:

eiggirC: I started with Slackware 2.2.0, so probably about the same.

[09:35:23]

eiggirC:

yeah – it starts playing bloomfield or CNN or some crap

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Juski:

I don't want a TFT monitor... won't be able to see anyone coming in that ;-)

[09:35:43]

eiggirC:

hashbang: slack never was versioned like that

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eiggirC:

I don't think so

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hashbang:

eiggirC: I hardly drive these days; only about 1600 miles per year. I get the train to work.

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stuarta:

one of the guys here has a rear vision mirror on his monitor :)

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jasperbg:

mount rear-vision mirror for bicycle on top of monitor

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hashbang:

eiggirC: http://slackware.ngi.it/slackware-2.2.0/sourc . . . source/v1.2/

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eiggirC:

god – too many late nights... whats my name again?

[09:36:02]

jasperbg:

yes!

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Juski:

that's my line! "What's my name?!?!?!?"

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stuarta:

hashbang: I started on linux 0.99r13

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stuarta:

mid 1993

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eiggirC:

hashbang: if you come from the UK, bring me a nice short wheelbase landrover defender or series 3 please :)

[09:37:13]

eiggirC:

Juski: or to wife "who are you and what are you doing in my house?"

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hashbang:

stuarta: yeah, I think that's about what my housemate, and linux evangelist started on.

[09:38:07]

Juski:

I meant along the lines of.. "what's my name beeatch? say my name!"

[09:38:24]

eiggirC:

right ... next comes "cook me some eggs"

[09:38:29]

eiggirC:

and thats time to go sleep

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stuarta:

it was the first publicly released version. SLS distro IIRC

[09:38:33]

eiggirC:

g'ngiht all

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stuarta:

predates slackware even

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eiggirC:

hashbang: remember the landrover *glare*

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pjn:

I remember downloading floppy images for weeks on a 14.4k modem

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stuarta:

it was taking too long at my uni, so i went to my mates uni

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pjn:

then trying unsucessfully to get linux working on a 65MB Rll hdd with a st21 controller

[09:40:06]

pjn:

the st21 controller with rll drives still doesn't work with linux

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hashbang:

stuarta: I just bought a Mitsumi 4x CD-Rom drive and an Infomagic 4 CD set. :-)

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dtm:

hashbang: infomagic?!?!

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dtm:

hahaaaa

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dtm:

bravo

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stuarta:

those sets were good, saved me a lot of downloading

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hashbang:

from lasermoon

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dtm:

hashbang: i have a private beta of the latest unreleased version of yggdrasil, given to me by Adam Richter

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dtm:

hashbang: i should boot it in qemu.

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Juski:

oh btw stuarta : watched a whole episode of TNG last night – commecrial skips were all right & everything! next episode I watched had commflags but they were way too short

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stuarta:

sometimes it's perfect, other times rubbish...

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Juski:

gonna experiment with using only logo detection – that seems to work better than scene change detection

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stuarta:

noticed the beeb use a green dot in the top left of the frame at start & stop.

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Juski:

probably not on all programming though

[09:46:56]

Juski:

they have very advanced network signalling so they don't need to embed anything in the video

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stuarta:

highly unlikely

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Juski:

does mythtv have anyone onboard who works for BBC R&D? that'd be a coup

[09:48:54]

Juski:

someone among that lot must know stuff about hidden signals in tv piccies ;-)

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Juski:

rumour has it that adverts on freeview may soon become 'interactive'.. so then there'll be mheg data giving away the fact a segment is an ad

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hashbang:

Juski: I know one ex-BBC person, and I'm on a mailing list with someone who was involved in Dirac

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Juski:

Dirac is one cool idea. I hope it catches on

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jasperbg:

ex-BBC are the best. then they can't be fired for helping people skip ads

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hashbang:

http://www.manlug.mcc.ac.uk/index.php?option= . . . mp;Itemid=28

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Juski:

they're all gonna be ex-BBC eventually – at least in R&D – by the look of things

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jasperbg:

yeah

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stuarta:

met the guys behind dirac.

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stuarta:

and lots of other interesting people.

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Captain_Murdoch:

juksi, one of the next things I want to work on on the flagger is to have it look at the CC/Teletext data for indications that a block is a commercial

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hashbang:

Juski: I have a recollection that he's gone, after Siemens came in.

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stuarta:

Captain_Murdoch: found some interesting 'morse code' across the top of 3 frames at the start/end of ads

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Juski:

brb.. I have a meeting with Mr. O'Teen ;-)

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laktech:

anyone up this evening?

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stuarta:

nope, far too early in the morning

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laktech:

ahh, i am on the west coast it's the middle of the night for some

[11:06:45]

laktech:

so i have my myth box all set up the way i like it

[11:07:52]

laktech:

when i record some shows, the are not showing up when i go to "watch recordings"

[11:07:55]

laktech:

they*

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laktech:

however, in the "previously recorded" menu, i see that they were in fact recorded, even when i go to the myth storage directory i see the mpeg files...

[11:09:27]

laktech:

they just don't show up when i try to watch them

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laktech:

or delete

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laktech:

any idea?

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stuarta:

press 'm' while in watch recordings

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laktech:

then what?

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laktech:

nice

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laktech:

i got it thanks!!

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Juski:

have there been any cases of "help me get this myth box of mine working or I'll call the FBI" yet? :-P

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stuarta:

not that I've seen...

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Juski:

suppose we have to wait for the tuttlemyth distro the

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gardengnome:

re

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stuarta:

Dibblah: having problems with your IRC client?

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stuarta:

morning gardengnome

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Juski:

hard day guarding the fish pond, gardengnome? ;-)

[11:25:48]

gardengnome:

Juski: you betcha.

[11:25:51]

gardengnome:

hi stuarta ;)

[11:26:08]

stuarta:

on the sunbed with beer in hand?

[11:26:54]

** Juski sets his vid for 'tomorrow's world'.. part of bbc4's 1970s week starting tomorrow :-) **

[11:27:21]

gardengnome:

stuarta: i wish. i was more like... school.

[11:27:48]

** Juski remembers his mythbox doesn't live at www.mythtv.org **

[11:29:48]

gardengnome:

would be fun if users could get subdomains. like laga.mythtv.org could be a redirect to my mythweb install

[11:30:03]

Juski:

interesting idea

[11:30:36]

** gardengnome goes to look for his soldering iron **

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stuarta:

be a nice little earner for Isaac

[11:31:07]

** gardengnome pours a few litres of coffee into achew22 **

[11:31:09]

gardengnome:

welcome back!

[11:31:18]

achew22:

damnit I cant get away from the gardengnome

[11:31:21]

gardengnome:

stuarta: i don't think he's into making money from mythtv.

[11:31:34]

gardengnome:

achew22: you can call me freddy krueger if you want.

[11:31:47]

achew22:

hello peter griffin

[11:31:48]

Juski:

I've turned down $5m in donations for my theme already

[11:32:06]

gardengnome:

Juski: you should have told them to donate to mythtvralk ;)

[11:32:08]

achew22:

Juski is that 5 million?

[11:32:09]

gardengnome:

ralk? talk.

[11:32:31]

Juski:

lol.. having trouble even giving it away, so I should cocoa

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Juski is now known as Roger_thealien

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stuarta is now known as fred_basset

[11:34:13]

Roger_thealien:

"oh crap"

[11:34:15]

fred_basset:

it cartoon character friday!!!

[11:34:24]

achew22:

Juski my paypal is achew22@com_ast.net but replace the _ with the letter that comes after b but before d

[11:34:34]

achew22:

paypal me some of your 5million

[11:35:07]

Roger_thealien:

I need help to clear the funds. the money is all yours, but I need you to help me paya transfer fee

[11:35:51]

achew22:

yeah — welcome to nigeria.. if you send me all your funds and I don't give you any way to contact me — i'll send you 17.2 million right away

[11:36:28]

Roger_thealien:

respectfurly yours, in the spirit of our lord Jesus Christ (etc)

[11:37:01]

achew22:

ps: this is not a scam

[11:37:15]

achew22:

I got an email that ended in that once....

[11:37:20]

Roger_thealien:

I bet.. where do I sign?

[11:38:10]

Roger_thealien:

those emails from banks I don't bank with, asking me to email them my account no & password details... if I was with those banks I'd be worried ;-)

[11:38:13]

achew22:

Roger_thealien we should go into the buisness of scaming people — were good at it. Check out that letter we just wrote

[11:38:38]

fred_basset:

i don't believe you!

[11:38:46]

achew22:

who the hell is fred_basset

[11:38:46]

Roger_thealien:

I don't have any pity whatsoever on the dumb fucks who fall for those scams either

[11:39:20]

achew22:

nope

[11:39:32]

Roger_thealien:

same goes for the people who lose thousands to builders who turn up at the front door and start with "top o the mornin to ya, ma'am...."

[11:39:33]

fred_basset:

if i told you I might have to k11l you

[11:39:36]

achew22 is now known as George_Lucas

[11:39:47]

George_Lucas:

its fictional charictor day right?

[11:40:00]

fred_basset:

something like that

[11:40:06]

Roger_thealien:

yes, not C U next Tuesday day

[11:40:31]

George_Lucas:

can saturday be "I hate america day?"

[11:40:32]

gardengnome:

well, actually it's cartoon character day, right?

[11:40:43]

gardengnome:

George_Lucas: every day is "i hate america day!"

[11:40:47]

fred_basset:

George_Lucas: that's every day of the year.

[11:40:47]

George_Lucas is now known as michael_moore

[11:40:52]

michael_moore:

okay

[11:40:54]

gardengnome:

fred_basset: ^5

[11:40:58]

michael_moore:

then I'm righ on track

[11:41:00]

fred_basset:

8-)

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michael_moore is now known as TheArtistFormerl

[11:41:18]

gardengnome:

right on crack?

[11:41:19]

TheArtistFormerl:

aaw...

[11:41:23]

TheArtistFormerl:

/nick TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsPrince

[11:41:23]

Roger_thealien:

oo.. is it fat fastard day too?

[11:41:47]

TheArtistFormerl is now known as MrTerrorist

[11:41:47]

fred_basset:

that information is currently unavailable

[11:41:57]

MrTerrorist:

:D

[11:42:14]

MrTerrorist is now known as Achew22`the_sexy

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** fred_basset hides from the carnivore **

[11:42:49]

gardengnome:

fictional character day?

[11:42:59]

gardengnome is now known as social`skill`gee

[11:43:00]

Roger_thealien:

certainly _is_ fictional character day, whichever way you look at it though ;-)

[11:43:03]

social`skill`gee:

fsck

[11:43:14]

social`skill`gee is now known as sexy_geek

[11:43:33]

fred_basset:

mwuahahahahaha

[11:43:51]

Achew22`the_sexy:

sexy_geek remember the gf that was supposed to come over today?

[11:44:10]

sexy_geek:

oops, i forgot that the nick change shows in other channels as well

[11:44:16]

sexy_geek:

Achew22`the_sexy: maybe ;)

[11:44:18]

Achew22`the_sexy:

this is the only channel for me

[11:44:22]

Achew22`the_sexy:

http://achew22.com/blog/pictures/jessica.jpg

[11:44:27]

Achew22`the_sexy is now known as achew22

[11:44:30]

Roger_thealien:

sexy_geek: A/S/L ?

[11:44:32]

Roger_thealien:

lol

[11:45:06]

sexy_geek:

Roger_thealien: fark off ;)

[11:45:30]

fred_basset:

anyone seen my firetruck?

[11:45:33]

achew22:

Roger_thealien: 16/Male (but i'm a trisexual)/Mountain time

[11:45:40]

Roger_thealien:

ahhh...

[11:45:54]

achew22:

no, but I asked my gf if she had seen my dragon recently about 6 hours ago

[11:46:11]

fred_basset:

too much information....

[11:46:24]

sexy_geek:

no, keep talking.

[11:46:26]

Roger_thealien:

if it burns you should have it looked at

[11:46:56]

achew22:

dude... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=66830 . . . &pl=true have you seen these things

[11:46:59]

sexy_geek:

Roger_thealien: and if red stuff comes out, then too

[11:48:06]

Roger_thealien:

weirdo! just taken a mobile phone call.. I answered.. "hello..." the guy said... "Is that natalie?" ffs

[11:48:46]

fred_basset:

you should have said 'Only on Saturdays'

[11:48:47]

sexy_geek:

heh

[11:49:12]

Roger_thealien:

no, I'm only Justine on saturdays

[11:49:39]

achew22:

wait... I thought you were susan

[11:49:47]

achew22:

shit... who did I unload my soul on then.....

[11:50:06]

Roger_thealien:

oh crap.. I really mean that... oh _crap_

[11:50:36]

achew22:

I wonder if the kernel recompile # 5 is done yet...

[11:51:36]

** sexy_geek still wonders where his soldering iron is collecting dust **

[11:52:00]

fred_basset:

Roger_thealien: what have you broken this time?

[11:52:36]

Roger_thealien:

nothing that can't be fix00r3d

[11:52:55]

fred_basset:

a hammer fixes many things.

[11:53:14]

achew22:

I hate email

[11:53:41]

phar0e:

dude you're whining about nothing, you didn't deserve it achew22

[11:54:08]

achew22:

I get so much shitty email.... damn me for putting my email on the sf.net page

[11:54:46]

fred_basset:

idiots or spam?

[11:54:50]

achew22:

idiots

[11:54:56]

achew22:

"man that thing rocks"

[11:55:02]

achew22:

4 words in the fucking email

[11:55:14]

achew22:

the delivery took more time than typing that out

[11:55:20]

** sexy_geek wonder if the header is larger than the payload **

[11:55:28]

fred_basset:

would be

[11:55:29]

achew22:

its much larger

[11:55:42]

achew22:

header at least has my email in it which is longer than that

[11:55:58]

achew22:

achew22@googlesmailservice.com

[11:56:29]

fred_basset:

even the message id is longer than the message

[11:56:32]

achew22:

lol

[11:56:54]

achew22:

the guys last name is "little" which ironicly describes his mental capacity

[11:57:12]

phar0e:

damn ache, is that a HDTV?

[11:57:49]

achew22:

in what?

[11:57:56]

hwt:

can myth be applied in a pure HDTV environemnt, e.g. with DVB?

[11:58:10]

achew22:

don't see why not

[11:58:26]

achew22:

if you have a fast enough computer go right ahead

[11:58:38]

achew22:

phar0e nows your chance to use a nick thats not yours

[11:58:58]

phar0e:

huh??

[11:59:07]

achew22:

its cartoon charictor friday

[11:59:10]

achew22:

cartoon

[11:59:12]

achew22:

wow

[11:59:14]

achew22:

i suck at spelling

[11:59:25]

phar0e:

that bigscreen of yours

[11:59:30]

phar0e:

is it HD?

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achew22:

yeah, why/

[12:01:02]

phar0e:

your sister is pretty cute

[12:01:11]

achew22:

I get that a lot

[12:01:21]

achew22:

yeah — i'd tap her too

[12:01:27]

phar0e:

seriously?

[12:01:31]

achew22:

fuck no

[12:01:44]

achew22:

well... if tap ment... steal money from

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achew22:

then yes

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achew22:

otherwise no

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achew22:

just wanted to get that out of the way

[12:02:21]

phar0e:

do you record in HD?

[12:02:24]

achew22:

ps: she got her last bf arrested for felony breaking and entering when he dumped her...

[12:02:38]

achew22:

phar0e no — I don't have digital cable and colorado sucks for getting ota hd

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achew22:

I might get a hd card everntualy

[12:03:28]

phar0e:

time to call the IRS

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[12:03:36]

achew22:

about what?

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phar0e:

nevermind

[12:04:03]

phar0e:

3 more hours then they'll start picking up their phone

[12:04:13]

phar0e:

I hate how they can't use time zones

[12:04:52]

achew22:

yeah — I hate how I don't have to wake up at 1am because its global 8am

[12:06:02]

phar0e:

are you going to sleep all day today?

[12:06:10]

achew22:

no — i'm going kareokeing

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phar0e:

can you sing well?

[12:06:23]

Rule:

hmmm mythtv-setup now fails on a remote X client because it's missign GLX.... that can't be right

[12:06:23]

achew22:

sides I usualy get up at 10am so if I went to bed now it would be 5 hrs — thats enough

[12:06:36]

achew22:

phar0e I'm fucking amazing

[12:06:46]

achew22:

i get tips when I go...

[12:06:51]

Rule:

he asked about your signing though ;)

[12:06:52]

phar0e:

I think you're a bit rumbunqtious tonight

[12:07:06]

Rule:

singing even

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phar0e:

rule, what version of mythtv?

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achew22:

Rule I did vocal lessons for a long time

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achew22:

call me a loser go ahead

[12:08:50]

achew22:

cause your right!

[12:08:50]

achew22:

mauahhahahah

[12:08:54]

phar0e:

I like to sing to Kelly Clarkson

[12:08:58]

Rule:

phar0e: 0.19, svn checkout tested now

[12:09:31]

Rule:

thought it should fall back

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phar0e:

not sure

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achew22:

did I tell you all about emerging kde?

[12:10:54]

achew22:

its only got 38 packages left! so it will finish tomorrow

[12:11:02]

phar0e:

did I tell you how awesome gentoo is?

[12:11:24]

achew22:

i'm not sure why I like gentoo — it fucking sucks... but for some inexplicable reason it rocks at the same time

[12:11:25]

sexy_geek:

achew22: how old are you, btw?

[12:11:31]

achew22:

16

[12:11:37]

achew22:

and yourself?

[12:11:44]

sexy_geek:

achew22: just wondering ;) i'm 18

[12:11:46]

achew22:

phar0e over there is 14

[12:11:51]

achew22:

we have all the multiples of 2

[12:11:53]

sexy_geek:

i think i startet with mythtv when i was 16, too

[12:11:57]

phar0e:

yo sexy_geek wo bist du in deutschland?

[12:12:13]

sexy_geek:

pac1: saarland. ;) BTW, wir ham auch noch #mythtv-de

[12:12:22]

sexy_geek:

err, i meant phar0e

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phar0e:

pac1?!

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phar0e:

oo

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achew22:

wow its real!

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Rule:

yeah that would be better as my German is terrible

[12:12:36]

Rule:

at least writing it

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achew22:

leme turn on the translator

[12:13:05]

achew22:

one sec

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sexy_geek:

achew22: que lengua?

[12:13:52]

achew22:

holy crap no more than one language

[12:14:08]

sexy_geek:

achew22: est-ce que your translator habla deutsch? ;)

[12:14:19]

phar0e:

lol

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sexy_geek:

oops.

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phar0e:

good going sexy_geek , more than 1 language crashes achew22 :)

[12:14:43]

sexy_geek:

guys, i really didn't want that.

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achew22:

your multilingualness made mirc crash

[12:15:18]

sexy_geek:

man irssi

[12:15:43]

achew22:

its cool now... i turned off the thing that translates

[12:16:58]

sexy_geek:

quelle dommage

[12:17:17]

achew22:

don't you have better things to do than screw with my head?

[12:17:34]

phar0e:

yeah start using irsii as soon as possible achew22 , it really is the best

[12:17:57]

achew22:

what is it with linux people and trying to convert people

[12:18:06]

sexy_geek:

achew22: well, it's weekend. so why does it matter what screws with your head? me or booze?

[12:18:14]

sexy_geek:

nm, i forgot you're in the US...

[12:18:19]

achew22:

dude I still got another day b4 weekend

[12:18:28]

sexy_geek:

achew22: 2:18pm here. :)

[12:18:45]

achew22:

ahh

[12:19:29]

achew22:

yeah, i wish it was 2:18 here — I wouldn't feel bad about drinking then

[12:19:31]

achew22:

or smoking

[12:19:43]

achew22:

but drinking/smoking before 6am seems like its a crime

[12:20:32]

** sexy_geek calls achew22's parents **

[12:20:40]

achew22:

shuddup

[12:20:44]

phar0e:

lol

[12:20:47]

sexy_geek:

and by smoking, you prolly don't mean tobacco, i suppose ;)

[12:21:10]

achew22:

can you make the bar at the bottom of the screen smaller in kde?

[12:21:18]

** fred_basset bored now **

[12:21:39]

** sexy_geek sets fred_basset on fire **

[12:21:42]

sexy_geek:

yay! part-ay!

[12:21:46]

** sexy_geek is teh funny today. **

[12:22:05]

fred_basset:

cruelty to animals!!!

[12:22:11]

achew22:

lets go see if my kernel compile is done yet

[12:22:12]

fred_basset:

!trout sexy_geek

[12:22:12]

** MythLogBot slaps sexy_geek with a trout on behalf of fred_basset... **

[12:22:47]

** sexy_geek blushes and whisper sweet nothings into fred_basset's ear **

[12:22:59]

sexy_geek:

this cartoon roleplaying certainly is fun

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** fred_basset wonders why sexy_geek is sweet talking a dog.... **

[12:23:59]

sexy_geek:

fred_basset: well, why is the dog talking to me?

[12:24:16]

sexy_geek:

did the cia mess with our water supplies again? :/

[12:24:17]

fred_basset:

maybe I'm not, maybe it's the smoke

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Dibblah:

Hmm. I'm already a fictional character. What do I do?

[13:27:39]

fred_basset:

visit L-space?

[13:28:05]

Roger_thealien:

don't drink the water, don't breathe the air, and certainl don't eat that little square bit of paper ;-)

[13:30:50]

Rule:

MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_MAX_BITRATE) Unknown encoder: 2, exiting

[13:30:51]

Rule:

argh

[13:30:53]

Rule:

now what

[13:31:02]

Rule:

darn thing :)

[13:31:14]

Roger_thealien:

eat the little square bit of paper. then it'll just _work_

[13:31:33]

fred_basset:

the blue pill

[13:32:25]

Rule:

stupid thing is I can't figure out where it's getting that encoder 2 thing from

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Roger_thealien:

what? you mean apart from the fact that mythtv calls video encoding sources, 'encoders'

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Roger_thealien:

i.e. capture cards ;-)

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Rule:

well yeah

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Rule:

but I only have 1

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Roger_thealien:

sure?

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Rule:

select * from capturecard;

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Rule:

yes

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Roger_thealien:

do you just have the one videosource then

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Roger_thealien:

?

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Rule:

yes

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Roger_thealien:

ah well – that's me stumped

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Rule:

pff deleted the database

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Roger_thealien:

oops

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Rule:

just a test, so decided to delete it

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Rule:

wonder if full tuned scan works yet

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Rule:

doesn't seem to do much

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Roger_thealien:

ah dee vee bee ;-)

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Rule:

weird

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Rule:

it doesn't do anything if I do a full scan on a freq, but if I first create a transport for that freq and do a transport scan, it's ok

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Roger_thealien:

see the dev ML for comments on that I think

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Rule:

no matter

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Rule:

bigger deal is the fact that channel names are no longer assigned froma scan, just the C1#1, C1#2, etc

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Roger_thealien:

not what I'd call a big deal...

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Roger_thealien:

since it sometimes didn't get them right before anyway

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Rule:

it got them perfect in the past :P

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Roger_thealien:

before 0.19 it did, yeah

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Roger_thealien:

by the time you whittle freeview down to watchable channels there are only about ten – maybe less

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Rule:

89 here

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Rule:

and some radio

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Roger_thealien:

where?

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Rule:

.be

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Roger_thealien:

ah. lucky

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Rule:

DVB-C

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Rule:

and 2 HDTV ones that are crypted :/

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Roger_thealien:

ahh the smell of DRM.. etc (yuk)... pass the air freshener :-)

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Rule:

bleh I just don't want to pay for the CAM and card

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Rule:

I don't have an HDTV set anyways

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Rule:

nor the disk space :P

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Roger_thealien:

we've yet to see proper HDTV sets on the European market. they're all 720p

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Rule:

true

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Roger_thealien:

oh damn. the space model I made has to go to las vegas and someone has to take it there by hand

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Roger_thealien:

but it's not me!!!! wah!!!!!!!!!

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fred_basset:

Rule: the scanning & funny channel names are being worked on (ticket #1485)

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fred_basset:

ah crap, he's left

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scopeuk:

heh welcome to myworld

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scopeuk:

reading up is fine but that hapens alot

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fred_basset:

that happens when you have to disappear for 40mins

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Roger_thealien:

gutted I'm not going to Vegas.. maybe next year....

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fred_basset:

that is a lousy short straw....

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fred_basset:

why can ksensors find my cpu temp and nothing else????

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Roger_thealien:

what about lmsensors?

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fred_basset:

just trying to beat it into shape...

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fred_basset:

it's weird that ksensors will read it without the kernel modules loaded....

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fred_basset:

much better :)

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fred_basset:

though the figures look like crap +3.3V @ +6.59V ???

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Roger_thealien:

I get that on my EPIA with the newest minimyth

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Roger_thealien:

CPU temp.. 20000000'C or something stupid

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Roger_thealien:

it's more like 60'C – if it was as high as lmsensors says, I'd be able to smell it for sure

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fred_basset:

i don't care so long as I get sensible cpu temps out through snmp

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fred_basset:

then I can feed them through something like cacti :)

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fred_basset:

and get pretty graphs.

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Roger_thealien:

heh

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Roger_thealien:

hmm it's past beer time already

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fred_basset:

tell me about it

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fred_basset:

definitely POETS day

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_intel:

help simi noob here having trouble installing mythtv on kubuntu 5.10; I have read wikis until my eyes are crossed; they talk all aound the problem but nothing definitive: where can I find some document on how to solve the dman mysql errors problems on password problem?

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** Beirdo smiles as he listens to an MP3 streaming from home **

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fred_basset:

later all, i'm off POETS day

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Beirdo:

piss on everything, today sucks?

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_intel:

I've read your faq; I need help on why I can't connect to the mysql database? read ton sof other wikis on this same issue; some one have time to help me pls?

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mishehu:

_intel: did you do the GRANT statement?

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_intel:

I don't recall seeing anyting called GRANT

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_intel:

I installed from apt-get not compile

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Roger_thealien:

GRANT blah on mythconverg.. etc

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_intel:

okay

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_intel:

I'll look it up

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Roger_thealien:

anyway – time to go home & break open a bottle of wine or 2

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sexy_geek:

re

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Beirdo:

laga, you are a wanker :)

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Beirdo:

any idea why MP3::Info is being a total bitch about filenames with spaces in them? :)

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D-side:

because filenames shouldn't ever have spaces in them

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Beirdo:

doesn't matter, they do

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Beirdo:

hahahah

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Beirdo:

I see

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Beirdo:

ergh

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Beirdo:

Can't open /opt/mp3/podcast/Comedy/02 I Don't Want To Go To Toronto.mp3: Permission denied

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Beirdo:

that's the problem

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Baylink:

Space is a valid character for filenames.

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D-side:

Baylink: stop that.

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** Baylink speaks ex-cathedra. **

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Beirdo:

getting closer

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Baylink:

The only *invalid* characters, in fact, are NULL, ":" on Macs, "/" on *nix, and "/" on Windos.

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sexy_geek:

Baylink: stop being a smart-ass. spaces may be valid, but they suck.

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Beirdo:

actually, I think / is valid, just highly unrecommended

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Beirdo:

and &

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Beirdo:

and spaces, > < |

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Beirdo:

hehe

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D-side:

i think you CAN use /, but i sure as hell wouldnt.

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D-side:

i've never seen a pipe in use though

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Beirdo:

good luck getting a shell to like any of them

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D-side:

just like spaces. heh. i bet you hate me today.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

and ' "

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Beirdo:

avoid those bitches

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Beirdo:

this file has both spaces and '

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Beirdo:

fuck

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Beirdo:

I need to de-uri-ify the filenames

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D-side:

oof.

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Beirdo:

there MUST be a perl function for this

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Baylink:

They only suck if you assume they won't be there: Bash tab-completes with them properly. And who says you're sexy? ;-)

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Beirdo:

hahahaha

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Beirdo:

uri_unescape

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Beirdo:

duh

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sexy_geek:

Baylink: today is fictional character day.

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drdaz:

ahoy there... I'm trying to rip a CD using mythmusic and it just quits. It leaves this message in the terminal: "Error opening output file:" The destination dir exists and myth has r/w access, not least since it manages to create an artist dir and an album dir to put the files in...

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phar0e:

hey sexy_geek , is that fir3 guy asking how to compile mplayer with nuppelvideo support?

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sexy_geek:

phar0e: yep!

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phar0e:

so many people in there I want to try help, but I don't want to assume

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sexy_geek:

phar0e: if in doubt, ask :) some of us speak english quite well and your german is just awesome, so don't hesitate :)

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sexy_geek:

phar0e: FYI, http://dict.leo.org is a good dictionary.

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phar0e:

yes I use it often :D

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simon_:

hi, can't mythtv display tv without having epg data or do i have another problem if i get GetEntryAt(-1) failed and a second message that no pginfo could be get...

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Sanctum:

lo laga

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laga:

:P

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Sanctum:

so that "You _MUST_ run 'mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, instead

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Sanctum:

of just 'mythfilldatabase'." ..

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Sanctum:

although i did that and before i did that i ran it wo --manual

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Sanctum:

it also sais it wants a "/mount/store" .. changed it to "/mnt/myth" and it asks if i wanna fix it but then it asks that all the time

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Sanctum:

"/mnt/store" grr

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laga:

well, you need to run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, and only once. if you have done that, you should be fine.

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laga:

it's just a warning/reminder, not an error

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drdaz:

heh wtf is wrong with my mythmusic?

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drdaz:

it wont rip :(

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Sanctum:

and now it keeps telling me that...

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laga:

Sanctum: it says it all the time.

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Sanctum:

ofcourse my tvcard doesnt work but im used to that ;)

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drdaz:

if it were a pair of trousers that would be a selling point

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Sanctum:

yes laga

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Sanctum:

0.19 is the version i think .. installed on fc5 from rpm

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scopeuk:

DrBair you got the nessasery apps installed

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scopeuk:

think its likely lame ect

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laga:

Sanctum: that was not a question. i stated it says that all the time. you can safely ignore it after you've run mythfilldatabase --manual

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drdaz:

DrBair --> me?

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Sanctum:

laga: i also had trouble getting that "setup" referred to "mythtv-setup"

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scopeuk:

sorry yes

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drdaz:

:p np... thats not it tho

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laga:

scopeuk: uh, liblame is a dependency of mythtv, it's very likely he has it ;)

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scopeuk:

ok

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Sanctum:

laga: ok, good

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scopeuk:

and damn 2 drs is 2 many

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drdaz:

there are 2!?

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drdaz:

damn it

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scopeuk:

laga forgot were not dealing with me here

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a11fa:

anybody know the difference between adsl modem in bridge mode and adsl in router mode

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scopeuk:

DrBair and drdaz my auto completgot the other one earlier

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drdaz:

heh

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laga:

scopeuk: uh, yeah

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D-side:

a11fa: bridge lets you plug an ethernet router into it.

[16:43:40]

D-side:

a11fa: router causes it to act as an ethernet router

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scopeuk:

a11fa i belive its to do with how packets are passed bridge gets everythign acros router only forwards what its instructed too

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drdaz:

here's the thing – I'm trying to rip a CD using mythmusic and it just quits. It leaves this message in the terminal: "Error opening output file:" The destination dir exists and myth has r/w access, not least since it manages to create an artist dir and an album dir to put the files in...

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laga:

drdaz: are you out of disk space?

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drdaz:

I hope not!

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drdaz:

hmm

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drdaz:

naw

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drdaz:

79% used

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Sanctum:

laga: im thinking that maybe there could be an if( ! mythdb_exists("mythconverg") ) inject_db("myth_converg"); ?

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drdaz:

on my music partition that is

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a11fa:

D-side : heh.. its layer 2 vs layer 3

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laga:

Sanctum: what are you talking about?

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scopeuk:

and heres me thining it was cogent they wqere fighting

[16:45:04]

Sanctum:

coding mythtv

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D-side:

a11fa: yep. didnt mean to be condescending. :)

[16:45:25]

drdaz:

somebody already coded mythtv tbh

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drdaz:

(sorry=

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drdaz:

)

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a11fa:

anyway

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a11fa:

this is bullshit.. i am able to use windoz pppoe

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** laga is lost **

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** drdaz farts **

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a11fa:

but unable to connect with a linksys router

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D-side:

a11fa: try spoofing the windows box's mac address in the linksys?

[16:46:49]

scopeuk:

a11fa never expect technology to work that wauy when everything happens just like it always does you wont be suprised

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laga:

D-side: i'd yell at my adsl provider if they hard-coded the mac

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a11fa:

D-side : did that

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a11fa:

i am missing "Service Name: "

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scopeuk:

a11fa does your isp require a fixed hostnamew on the router

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Sanctum:

Anyone had the misfurtune of owning an Xpert TV-PVR pci card ? /bought the thing in a haste but cannot get it to run

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a11fa:

i doubt it

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scopeuk:

i know some do and most routers facilitate it

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a11fa:

scopeuk : there is nothing on the windoz box

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scopeuk:

hmm?

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scopeuk:

whos your provider?

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a11fa:

scopeuk : the problem is.. i am trying to set this remotely for my parents

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scopeuk:

networkign is more my area then linux

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laga:

a11fa: what kind of linksys router is that? i believe mine auto-detects the "service name". i know that robert schlabbach's raspppoe let you find out the service name

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scopeuk:

a1fa harsh

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a11fa:

yeah

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a11fa:

laga : i'll try that raspppoe

[16:48:34]

a11fa:

the make things worse.. this is over in bosnia

[16:48:39]

laga:

a11fa: no warranty though it won't fsck up your box ;)

[16:48:40]

a11fa:

and its costing me $$$ for long distance

[16:48:49]

a11fa:

laga : i kno'

[16:49:02]

a11fa:

they have a SIP phone, but its not working yet

[16:49:14]

a11fa:

bcos they cant get the router to work.. i spoofed the mac

[16:49:38]

a11fa:

i doubt they use hostname authentication, because they allow 10 stimuntanious connections to pppoe server

[16:49:54]

a11fa:

stilmuntanious

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a11fa:

and they dont do mac authentication, now that i think about it

[16:50:20]

a11fa:

so the next thing we need to figure out is the pppoe

[16:50:23]

a11fa:

service name

[16:50:34]

a11fa:

my W41 doesnt detect it automatically

[16:50:37]

a11fa:

and that is the problem

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scopeuk:

do your pearents nto have the details from the "how to setup your braudband without nuking your pc"guide that they ship now days

[16:51:43]

a11fa:

nope

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scopeuk:

damn

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scopeuk:

you got a provider name so i can go miene there website for it

[16:52:11]

a11fa:

www.bih.net.ba

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a11fa:

its in bosnian

[16:52:23]

a11fa:

i mined google

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a11fa:

for service name

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scopeuk:

do we have any bosnians in the channel?

[16:52:33]

drdaz:

omfg this is poor! WAF --> downhill

[16:52:48]

drdaz:

using GRIP to rip her CD for her atm :-|

[16:52:52]

** drdaz sighs **

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a11fa:

scopeuk : besides myself?

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a11fa:

hehe

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D-side:

howdy xris.

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scopeuk:

a11fa i jsut clicked the ENGLISH button

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laga:

scopeuk: sounds sophisticated (i love this word, but i have no clue what it *really* means)

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D-side:

what word?

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scopeuk:

jsut at a guess

[16:56:37]

scopeuk:

just laga :D

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laga:

D-side: 'sophisticated' ;)

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a11fa:

scopeuk : they dont have service name

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scopeuk:

dont look liek it

[16:57:37]

scopeuk:

take it you cheacked the user guide?

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laga:

a11fa: call/yell at user support?

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scopeuk:

i was thinking of throwing rocks at them

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xris:

morning, all... off to work.

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a11fa:

laga : i did.. they dont pickup

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laga:

a11fa: ouch

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scopeuk:

tried emailing em?

[16:59:22]

a11fa:

da,m dide

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a11fa:

yeah.. no reply

[16:59:31]

a11fa:

they are really bad

[16:59:36]

a11fa:

they are state owned monopoly

[16:59:39]

a11fa:

i found their

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a11fa:

service name "kutija"

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a11fa:

== "box"

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a11fa:

in english

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a11fa:

omfg they are so pathetic

[17:00:04]

a11fa:

lol

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a11fa:

http://www.bih.net.ba/uploads/media/200304091925.pdf

[17:00:31]

a11fa:

i found it on a screenshot

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a11fa:

of raspppoe

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laga:

a11fa: hehe, yay :)

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a11fa:

"access concentrator"

[17:01:04]

a11fa:

is that the same thing

[17:01:18]

a11fa:

shit

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laga:

a11fa: yep.

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a11fa:

sweet

[17:01:23]

laga:

well, i think so.

[17:01:25]

a11fa:

laga : thanks

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laga:

try it :)

[17:01:31]

a11fa:

i am

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a11fa:

i am calling my mom right now

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scopeuk:

as long as you have it it doesent matter

[17:01:41]

a11fa:

it cost me $30 in long distance

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scopeuk:

ouch

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a11fa:

to troubleshoot this dang thing

[17:02:24]

a11fa:

03/31 International Calls 222 $29.00

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a11fa:

222minutes

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a11fa:

good thing they have a sip phone now

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scopeuk:

if that fails http://www.bih.net.ba/uploads/media/200304091925.pdf has config details dont knwo how much it will help though i dont speak read or write bosnian

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a11fa:

yeah

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a11fa:

i found it there

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scopeuk:

damn wasent reading

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Beirdo:

well, fuck DBI. if it won't work while a forked process is running, I won't try to use the DB while capturing

[17:15:30]

drdaz:

hmm I think I've found out why mythmusic wasnt ripping my CD

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scopeuk:

what did you do? :D

[17:16:38]

drdaz:

... Danish letters make it puke it seems

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Beirdo:

Best Sellers BBC 7 Fri Mar 31 12:25:00 2006 Fri Mar 31 13:05:00 2006 40000 32000 2 0.625 ffwmav2

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scopeuk:

bout right

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

[17:16:53]

drdaz:

like Ã¦ and Ã¸..

[17:17:15]

drdaz:

if they are in the names of the tracks or the album it just says no :-|

[17:17:20]

Beirdo:

nice

[17:17:26]

drdaz:

or the artist I would imagine

[17:17:27]

Beirdo:

that sounds like a bug

[17:17:31]

drdaz:

sure does

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** drdaz goes to trac **

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laga:

drdaz: oh yeah, mythmusic gives me trouble with umlauts, too.

[17:18:05]

Beirdo:

could still be a setup problem, but I don't do internationalization

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laga:

it doesn't display them properly. i converted my system to use utf8, but the DB doesn't seem to like it. it's quite weird.

[17:18:23]

drdaz:

ok

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** laga goes back to burning his fingers aka soldering **

[17:18:59]

drdaz:

u tried ripping a CD with umlauts somewhere in the metadata?

[17:19:31]

drdaz:

ok that is odd... generally I havent had issues with this outside mythmusic

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laga:

drdaz: i think i did, "die ärzte". i think i'd just throw me back to the main menu. but the disc was scratched badly, so i don't know who's to blame

[17:19:42]

drdaz:

ok..

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drdaz:

thats exactly what it does to me

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laga:

iirc, mc.sql tries to create a DB with latin1 charset. but i really don't know how mythtv + mysql relate to that.

[17:20:06]

Beirdo:

stupid lag

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** laga makes note not to buy any motörhead discs **

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drdaz:

heh

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Beirdo:

or motley crue

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Beirdo:

as they umlaut the crap outta their name

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drdaz:

apparently u should stay away from Kim Larsen too

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drdaz:

otoh we could use another ripper

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drdaz:

:-|

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Beirdo:

or you could find how to fix it :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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drdaz:

nooooooez :p

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laga:

nävär!

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drdaz:

lÃ¦l

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Beirdo:

oh shove that UTF-8 crap :)

[17:22:27]

laga:

ok, that prolly didn't come out right because my terminal is set to iso8859–15

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drdaz:

laga: I've found something that looks like a solution

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drdaz:

but I'm running this chat window over a vnc session so I cant paste the damn link :p

[17:25:19]

laga:

drdaz: maybe you can hook me up with some search terms or the domain name of that site.

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scopeuk:

oh god we have another one almost as bad as me

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scopeuk:

spose vnc is one notch up the sanity scale fro mwhat i do

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drdaz:

lol what do u do?

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drdaz:

there's a good reason for this madness tho

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scopeuk:

i use remote x tunneled though ssh to a windows box

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drdaz:

I'm running the chat on my mythbox... since it stays up for the most part.. I'm using my laptop which frequently hibernates... really cant be bothered reconnecting all the time

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drdaz:

laga: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2003-August/013357.html

[17:28:41]

drdaz:

I just need to figure out where my LANG is now

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drdaz:

lol

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Scopeuk_:

pc dident liek somethign then

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Scopeuk_:

jsut died

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xris:

Scopeuk_: why not use remote desktop instead of x-on-windows?

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drdaz:

where would $LANG be set?

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xris:

drdaz: environment variable? usually /etc/bashrc or somewhere equally global

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drdaz:

ahh found it... /etc/sysconfig/i18n

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drdaz:

reeeeeboot time

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a11fa:

damn

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a11fa:

that didnt work

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Scopeuk_:

xris the remote box is linux

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Scopeuk_:

and im kinda stupid

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Scopeuk_:

x seamed an easier option

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drdaz:

yep! problem solved

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Scopeuk_:

good lad

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drdaz:

ty

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Scopeuk_:

any one hre with more money than sense? http://www.headphoneworld.com/HeadPhoneWorldS . . . Ear/SH03.htm

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Scopeuk_:

i dotn care if there lund enough for a whole disco thats stupid money for headphones

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drdaz:

lol thats nuts

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drdaz:

for that money I expected massive f0 phones

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drdaz:

not some piddly little earbuds

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drdaz:

I find it hard to believe something that size can deliver bass..

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drdaz:

then again I know little about these things

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Scopeuk_:

atthat price i wanan be able to demolish walls with em

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a11fa:

damn

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a11fa:

that wanst the service name

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a11fa:

no connection

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Scopeuk_:

damn

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a11fa:

spent another 30minutes on the phone

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Scopeuk_:

ouch

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Scopeuk_:

i should bill the isp for these calsl due to there incompetence

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a11fa:

ok

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a11fa:

i called tech support

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a11fa:

he sais they dont have service name

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a11fa:

liar

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Scopeuk_:

wow tech suport andswered

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kormoc:

Scopeuk_, nice headphones! But they don't use moster cables, so they're no good!

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Scopeuk_:

lol

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Scopeuk_:

i wonce foudn a 3 m audo cable for $16000

[17:56:12]

Scopeuk_:

was solidsilver withgold plated caps

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drdaz:

:-o

[17:56:26]

** kormoc blinks **

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Scopeuk_:

i know

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Scopeuk_:

and yes that is the right number of 0's

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Scopeuk_:

i was shel shocked

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kormoc:

should have been solid platinum

[17:57:00]

Scopeuk_:

lol yeh

[17:57:08]

Scopeuk_:

any way /me has gotta go tech

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Scopeuk_:

bbiab

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kormoc:

oh gawd

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kormoc:

http://www.elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQ-SKILI8

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kormoc:

I love the conductive dielertric

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kormoc:

given the whole point of a dielertic is that it's nonconductive

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DrBair:

im having a technical difficulty setting up an XBMC frontend. If I tell it to watch live TV it says the file doesn't exist. However if I tell it to list recorded LiveTV sessions and go in there I can see it. Any ideas?

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a11fa:

lol.. go configure your python script.. livetv never really worked well

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DrBair:

im beggining to think I should have spent the extra money on the 350

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nosun:

me got 512mb 3200 generic for my mythbox:)

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xris:

DrBair: which file doesn't exist?

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DrBair:

xris: im guessing the liveTV file, the error message is rather vague

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DrBair:

xris: The file does exist however. tcpdump reveals that the xbox is doing mysql queries but no samba activity

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kormoc:

DrBair, a pvr 150 + a 6200 is the same if not slightly cheaper then a 350 and works better

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kormoc:

DrBair, given myth doesn't do samba, that's understandable

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xris:

DrBair: the exact error message would be more useful

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DrBair:

kormoc: a nvidia 6200?

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kormoc:

DrBair, yeah

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DrBair:

kormoc: would any nvidia do the trick or is the TV out on the 6200 special? I think I can get a PCI MX4000 for free

[18:15:36]

xris:

DrBair: run the frontend with the "-v all" option and you should get more informative error messages on the console

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nosun:

you guys think a Athlon 2400+, 512mb 3200 ddr, 40gb, 8x geforce 4 440 MX is good enough of a system for All in One system for myth tv?

[18:16:19]

nosun:

or what else should I increase besides maybe the hd:P

[18:16:30]

kormoc:

DrBair, most nvidia cards work great, but I've been recommending the 6200 cause it can handle hdtv fine

[18:16:42]

xris:

nosun: what do you intend to record?

[18:16:50]

nosun:

almost nothing;)

[18:16:59]

nosun:

I want to watch movies I download on tv mainly:P

[18:17:14]

laga:

nosun: add more disk space. and you probably won't be able to do HDTV. but it looks like a nice system

[18:17:17]

nosun:

and maybe use the picture in picture feature:P

[18:17:44]

nosun:

what would I need for HDTV?

[18:17:51]

nosun:

though I don't have a hdtv in the first place:p

[18:18:14]

kormoc:

nosun, a 6200+ should be good for hdtv on the video side of things.

[18:18:44]

DrBair:

well i have one more PCI slot in that case, maybe I'll invest in a 6200

[18:18:45]

nosun:

I think this one is a 2400+

[18:18:48]

nosun:

2ghz:P

[18:19:46]

nosun:

or wait you mean video card:P

[18:19:55]

nosun:

right?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

a nvidia 6200

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nosun:

bah I'm not gonna be gaming:P

[18:20:25]

nosun:

;)

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kormoc:

neather does my mythbox, but it has a 6200 in it

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kormoc:

having the videocard decode the video and display it is great.

[18:21:05]

** kormoc shrugs **

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nosun:

seabiscuit vs. limpbizkit who would win;)

[18:26:33]

nosun:

$95.99 for a 6200 here

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kormoc:

that's insane

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kormoc:

it's usually around $55 or so

[18:28:22]

kormoc:

on this side of the pond at least

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kormoc:

oon, your canadian, not british

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nosun:

I AM CANADIAN!!!;)

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** Beirdo pulls nosun's vintage Winnipeg jersey over his head... **

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** nosun no no!!! **

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** nosun not the nutz **

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laga:

Juski: o/

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Juski:

the scream?

[18:40:21]

Juski:

hiya laga

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laga:

hehe

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Juski:

well – got my backbox made up for my posh bathroom light dimmer now

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Juski:

relieved my CPU fan of its stupid LEDs in the process :-)

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DrBair:

kormoc: do you use the binary nvidia drivers?

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D-side:

Juski: heh.

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D-side:

Juski: zalman?

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Juski:

D-side: Zalman don't make stupid LED fans do they? This was an emergency (cheap) buy a while ago

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kormoc:

DrBair, yes, I do

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Juski:

anyway the blue LEDs have gone to a better place now

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laga:

send to china for permanent storage in some poor village?

[18:52:05]

laga:

s/send/sent/

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Juski:

no, they're backlighting the glass tile I'm putting in front of the touch sensor :-P

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laga:

sounds pimpy

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

if it doesn't look tasteful by the end I'll do away with the backlight

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laga:

heh :)

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laga:

make sure to let use see some pictures ;)

[18:53:58]

laga:

s/use/us/

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laga:

Juski: i've fscked up my vga2rgb circuit, i'm gonna make a new one

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D-side:

Juski: yeah, my hsf has a blue led in it

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

laga: how did you fsck it? get the transistor the wrong way round or something?

[18:55:02]

laga:

Juski: no, my soldering skills suck ;). made some bridges where there shouldn't be any and i damaged the PCB

[18:55:24]

laga:

Juski: oh well, i have more than enough resistors and i can re-use the transistor so it's not a problem

[18:55:27]

Juski:

ouch. use no more than a 15watt iron for little things like that

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laga:

i use an 8w one

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laga:

i bought it when i was 10 or 12 as a general-purpose one, but it's probably too underpowered for that job

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laga:

i could kick my ass that i didn't learn more about electronics when i was younger. all i ever did was assembling kits :/

[18:56:55]

Juski:

kits are how I learnt to solder

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Juski:

how I came to know how to solder 0.125" quad flatpacks I can't remember though

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laga:

hehe

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laga:

i forget everything i used to know about soldering, kind of ;). i need to get some equipment to desolder things or to remove solder

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D-side:

everything i know about soldering: bring the stuff to a friend's place.

[19:07:22]

laga:

well, that would work for me, too

[19:07:34]

laga:

but to solder 5 pieces together, i don't have to bother him ;)

[19:13:50]

Juski:

..until you fsck up the board ;-)

[19:14:36]

laga:

well, i shouldn't have pulled on that resistor like a maniac.

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Beirdo:

Juski: soldering QFP by hand is so much fun :)

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Beirdo:

0.100" and 0.125" stuff is a joy

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Juski:

yeh... I can do that package style that isn't quite QFP, isn't quite BGA too.. but it's a bitch

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Juski:

looks like I'm buying plasterboard tomorrow

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Juski:

just made an investigative hole in a wall in the bathroom... it's the old plaster on wooden laths

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Juski:

for the USA folks in here.. plasterboard == drywall

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Juski:

old ceiling comes down tomorrow – bye bye wooden panelling :-D

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Juski:

I enjoy doin' up my house ;-)

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Beirdo:

BGA ain't something I wanna try to hand-solder, that's for sure

[19:23:50]

** laga is gonna clean the car tomorrow **

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laga:

finally.

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Juski:

I've heard tales of folks re-balling BGA devices & using a common or garden heatgun to put them back on... but I wouldn't wanna do that

[19:25:14]

Juski:

what the hell is up with this guy? "So lets say I hook up a remote via a serial IR connection and have LIRC (I read somewhere that MythTV natively supports this?) running to accept the signals, do I have to custom code a path for the front end to send the signal to the backend server, and thus stream the channel to that frontend?"

[19:25:41]

Juski:

I'll take that out on the ceiling tomorrow :)

[19:25:46]

DrBair:

are kernel messages like this considered normal? "ivtv0 warning: ENC: EOS took 136 ms to occur."

[19:26:20]

Juski:

DrBair: kernel messages are something of a pandoras box – if stuff just works I dont tend to worry

[19:27:05]

DrBair:

Juski: unfortunately I'm only getting static from /dev/video0

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Juski:

static is good

[19:27:50]

Juski:

if it's recognisable I mean... like just a bunch of very random dots like old TVs used to show when you tuned em off-station

[19:28:03]

Juski:

eep! I just did dmesg & got this: "MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0.

[19:28:03]

Juski:

Bank 2: 940040000000017a"

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D-side:

haha you know why dont you

[19:28:30]

Juski:

neutrino, going through a RAM chip? ;-)

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Beirdo:

Juski: no more dmesg for you :)

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D-side:

because you went and said it

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kormoc:

least it was non fatal and correctable.

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Juski:

when I worked for sun we used to see a lot of that

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Beirdo:

[8430819.130654] cactid[24225]: segfault at 0000000000000018 rip 000000000040385e rsp 00000000407fe7a0 error 4

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Beirdo:

nice

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Juski:

apparently the memory cells are so small that background radiation can change the state of a cell

[19:29:42]

polpak:

what tuner cards can you guys recommend?

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DrBair:

Juski: its more blackish with pretty colored dotted lines every so often

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polpak:

looking for good quality with fewest compatibility issues =p

[19:30:03]

a11fa:

polpak : PVR-500

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laga:

Juski: german c't magazine says that can happen with normal computer memory, too. they say that one bit skips per month

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laga:

polpak: pvr 150

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DrBair:

Juski: but the RCA inputs work ok

[19:30:22]

kormoc:

my dmesg is just full of fglrx errors

[19:30:32]

a11fa:

kormoc : muhahaha, nvidia?

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kormoc:

no, ati

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a11fa:

NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!

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polpak:

a11fa, laga, any comparison?

[19:31:02]

a11fa:

my log is full of these errors

[19:31:12]

a11fa:

PVR-500 (2xPVR-150)

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laga:

polpak: read the channel faq, i believe it's mentioned there

[19:31:21]

DrBair:

im using the command 'ivtv-encoder -c 4 -vport 0 -input 0 /mnt/beast/myth/test.mpg' That should dump channel 4 to a file correct?

[19:31:21]

Beirdo:

my PVR's dmesg is full of ivtv debug prints

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kormoc:

a11fa, that's not a error, that's just debug warning which you can disable.

[19:31:52]

a11fa:

kormoc : i ddidnt say it was an error

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kormoc:

where as my dmesg gets about 1k of these a second when in opengl mode "[fglrx:firegl_rmmap] *ERROR* map 0xc7d58f90 still in use (map_count=1) [fglrx:firegl_free_buffer_queue] *ERROR* buffer qeue 0xc7d58f80 still mapped"

[19:31:59]

ed-209:

http://sh.nu/p/1452

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kormoc:

<a11fa> my log is full of these errors

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ed-209:

is that a common error?

[19:32:10]

a11fa:

oh i did

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a11fa:

:)

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a11fa:

kormoc : sowy

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Juski:

DrBair: wrong tuner standard or type, probably

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ed-209:

2006-03–31 14:20:34.999 DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for mplex 32767

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a11fa:

is that mythflix bug fixed?

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a11fa:

http://pastebin.ca/47719

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DrBair:

Juski: you mean like the frequency mapping?

[19:36:34]

Juski:

DrBair: that, and the type of tuner on the card

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a11fa:

juski my brother from another mother

[19:38:14]

DrBair:

Juski: it should all be correct... are there any known issues with ivtv 0.4.2?

[19:39:00]

Juski:

_should_ all be correct – yup – heard that one before ;-)

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a11fa:

Linux ultraspunk 2.4.27-2-sparc64 #1 Mon Aug 22 21:07:44 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux

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Juski:

ivtv is up to 0.4.4 isn't it now?

[19:39:11]

a11fa:

i just got one more sparc box

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a11fa:

Juski : 0.4.6

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a11fa:

stable

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Juski:

jees that thing sprouted wings!

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a11fa:

no

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a11fa:

i am sorry

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a11fa:

its 0.4.4

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a11fa:

but they also have 0.6.x tree now

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xris:

Juski: .6

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Juski:

I'm talking about stable though xris

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a11fa:

ivtv stable version 0.6.1 released (ChangeLog). This release is for the 2.6.16 kernel ONLY

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xris:

thought .6 was the stable branch.

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Juski:

depends what kernel version you have, obviously

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Juski:

running 0.4.2 here just fine, but then I don't use the tuner

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Juski:

tried it, just for the sake of it – never had any luck though

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a11fa:

tuner, tveeprom, cx25840, saa7115, saa7127, wm8775 and msp3400 are now

[19:41:22]

a11fa:

moved into the kernel and are no longer provided by ivtv.

[19:41:23]

a11fa:

w00t

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Juski:

I'm on 0.4.2 and using those kernel modules anyway

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a11fa:

Juski : upgrade to 0.4.4

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a11fa:

hehehe

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Juski:

otherwise my DVB tuners wouldn't have stayed working

[19:42:05]

Juski:

heh. it ain't broke, so I'm not touching it

[19:42:13]

a11fa:

oh cmon

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a11fa:

Juski : hows your sexbox doing

[19:42:32]

Juski:

stashed away at the minute

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Juski:

modding its fan is on my list of things to do.. it's too frigging noisy

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Juski:

I cut the metal grille at the air vent & that made it worse :-(

[19:43:21]

** xris is still using .3.2 **

[19:43:30]

a11fa:

xris : wow dude

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Beirdo:

heh

[19:43:36]

Juski:

upgrading just for the sake of it can be a fool's game

[19:43:40]

Beirdo:

I'm on 0.2.0

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a11fa:

xris : you needz to upgrade s00n!

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xris:

a11fa: it works, I don't want to break it by upgrading

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a11fa:

Beirdo : liar

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a11fa:

ehehe

[19:44:04]

Beirdo:

don't be a dumbass :)

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** a11fa .disable.dumbass **

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Juski:

I crossed everything when I upgraded to 0.19

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a11fa:

its set to true

[19:44:23]

a11fa:

i am using svn

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Juski:

it hasn't offerred me much extra functionality so I could've just stayed on 0.18

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a11fa:

and no body fixed mythflix bug.. mythflix still wont compile

[19:44:47]

Juski:

0.20 will be the biggest change in ages

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** a11fa loves his SVN! **

[19:45:19]

Juski:

yeh well my wife likes mythtv working as expected, at all times

[19:45:22]

Beirdo:

nobody gives half a shit about mythflix

[19:45:38]

xris:

heh

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Juski:

it's only any use to people in the USA anyway

[19:45:45]

xris:

I'd rather have mythmovietime back

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xris:

scrape from google or something

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Beirdo:

I hear a volunteer

[19:46:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:46:10]

a11fa:

Updated to revision 9580.

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a11fa:

:P

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Juski:

was thinking about python today

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Beirdo:

eww

[19:46:51]

Beirdo:

I prefer anacondas.

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a11fa:

i got a python in my pocket

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Juski:

might write a windows FE.. at least try to.. if only for playing back recorded shows

[19:47:35]

a11fa:

Juski : they need to fix mythtv plugin for xbmc

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a11fa:

those bastards

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xris:

Beirdo: yeah, like THAT will happen...

[19:47:43]

a11fa:

its not workint at all

[19:47:48]

** xris contributes enough of his life to mythtv development **

[19:47:55]

Juski:

it bloody well IS working a11fa

[19:47:58]

Beirdo:

true

[19:48:11]

Beirdo:

and not enough to the bot (hehe, like I'm one to talk)

[19:48:18]

xris:

yeah

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DrBair:

this doesn't sound good "

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a11fa:

Juski : not for me.. i dont know what I am missing.. I can sechedule recordings, but I cant watch anything

[19:48:35]

xris:

I need a clone or two. or some minions outside of work

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a11fa:

Juski : must be something to do with smb share

[19:48:43]

Juski:

recorded show playback works great here

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a11fa:

Juski : i never get a list of files

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Beirdo:

the joy of having too many cool things to work on, and not enough time

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a11fa:

Juski : did you fix live tv?

[19:48:57]

Juski:

don't give a rat's ass about livetv

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DrBair:

i have this in the dmesg when the driver is loaded "tuner: type set to 4 (NoTuner) by ivtv i2c driver #0"

[19:49:04]

a11fa:

bastard

[19:49:04]

a11fa:

:P

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Beirdo:

how about a squirrel's ass?

[19:49:22]

Juski:

DrBair: that'd be your problem then ;-)

[19:49:38]

Juski:

ivtv doesn't always autodetect yer tuner properly

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Beirdo:

oooh, Pink Floyd

[19:50:15]

Juski:

alright then – I don't care one single tiny little bit about livetv. Isaac could pull it from mythtv & I would cheer

[19:50:36]

Beirdo:

welcome to the machine...

[19:50:39]

DrBair:

Juski: any pointers on this one?

[19:50:52]

Juski:

DrBair: ivtv mailing list archive, forums

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Juski:

I got that error but I won't ever use the tuner

[19:51:31]

Juski:

only reason I got the pvr150 was to record cable

[19:52:09]

Juski:

you probably need to use a modprobe option or something, DrBair

[19:52:10]

a11fa:

DrBair : what version what tuner?

[19:52:55]

a11fa:

DrBair : did you follow instructions regarding firmware?

[19:53:03]

a11fa:

DrBair : again, what driver version?

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Juski:

DrBair: this might shed some light: http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html#_jump15

[19:55:44]

Beirdo:

OK, time to fuck off early, I have a doctor appt

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Juski:

hope all is well Beirdo :)

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Juski:

DrBair: this might also help (PVR500 but maybe related): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/26129

[19:56:26]

Beirdo:

yeah, just a followup after 6 months of cholesterol treatment

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D-side:

good luck.

[19:56:53]

Beirdo:

thanks

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Juski:

aye – hope it's good news

[19:57:57]

Juski:

time to watch some mythtv & guzzle some wine

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Juski:

laters, all

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D-side:

have fun

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a11fa:

same error

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a11fa:

with mythdvd

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DrBair:

a11fa: its a MCE PVR-150, tuner = <unknown> (idx = 112, type = 4)

[20:00:32]

a11fa:

wtf

[20:01:22]

DrBair:

a11fa: driver 0.4.2, portage did everything for me. md5s of the firmware match those recommended on the ivtv wiki

[20:01:44]

a11fa:

main.cpp:28:45: error: mythtv/libmythui/myththemedmenu.h: No such file or directory

[20:01:57]

a11fa:

DrBair : try 0.4.4

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a1fa:

heh

[20:04:45]

a1fa:

:)

[20:04:47]

a1fa:

Wtf!

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DrBair:

a1fa: got it! I added these options and it worked! ivtv_std=1 tuner=57,57

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DrBair:

yay!

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nosun:

what would the optimized core be for a Athlon 2400+?

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DrBair:

so now I have everything going but that xbox...

[20:16:18]

nosun:

what would the optimized kernel be for a Athlon 2400+?

[20:16:19]

nosun:

rather

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D-side:

DrBair: xbox?

[20:17:48]

D-side:

<perk>

[20:35:33]

DrBair:

D-side: yes, I'm trying to get the xbmc frontend going

[20:35:49]

DrBair:

D-side: it can see recorded stuff, but it won't do live TV

[20:36:13]

DrBair:

D-side: that is it should be able to do live TV but it only throws an error

[20:37:49]

D-side:

well no

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D-side:

it shouldnt do live tv, its a known error.

[20:38:04]

D-side:

havent you read the sourceforge forums for the project?

[20:38:35]

DrBair:

no, i was just going off the changelog that said they fixed a few liveTV issues in the latest version

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D-side:

works fine here.

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D-side:

er

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D-side:

i mean it doesnt work for me either.

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DrBair:

D-side: I did a tcpdump on my backend and it doesn't seem like it even tries to find the file

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DrBair:

Does some mysql stuff and gives up

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D-side:

so in the settings you're pointing the livetv path to the same as recordings, right?

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DrBair:

yeah

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D-side:

then you're in the same boat as me

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DrBair:

makes me wonder if it isn't looking on the local drive for some reason

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D-side:

i wonder if newer versions of xbmc might work, but i really doubt it

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D-side:

local? to the xbox or the mythtv box

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DrBair:

I'm using a copy hot out of CVS

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D-side:

well that didnt work for me at all.

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DrBair:

local, as it doesn't seem to be doing anything over SMB

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DrBair:

hmm, well i will investigate more later, i need to be off to work

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Juski:

omg... I never knew mypsace could be hilarious... (only uk folks who know of Radio 1 need click): http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti . . . did=36897716

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mrproper_:

Im having a problem with myth on my tv, about a third of the way down when theres motion it seems as though the bottom third of the screen is missaligned (like one or two pixel mis aligned) any ideas?

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kormoc:

you don't have deinterlacing enabled, do you?

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mrproper_:

lemmi check

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mrproper_:

i have deinterlace enabled on linear blend

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kormoc:

you might want to turn that off and see if that works better

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kormoc:

deinterlacing is for display on a computer monitor

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kormoc:

so basically you are taking a itnerlaced signal, deinterlacing it, and then interlacing it again via the tv out.

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Juski:

or a TV-out which doesn't output interlaced modes properly...

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mrproper_:

nope still there

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mrproper_:

im outputting via vga dsub in 1280x720

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mrproper_:

if i use the tv out on my vid card the problem isnt there

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Juski:

'tearing' of the video can be caused by your refresh rate being out of sync with the framerate of the video

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kormoc:

ooh, donno about that, that's a bit odd.

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nosun:

any idea how to get the mouse pointer to appear on myth?

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nosun:

cause it keeps disappearing:P

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Juski:

nosun: rtfm

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mrproper_:

maybe its my modeline, from memory i didnt get this when just outputting at 1024x768 via vga

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mrproper_:

my modeline: ModeLine "720p50" 74.40 1280 1720 1760 1984 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

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nosun:

Juski manual no speak of mouse:P

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mzilikazi:

having troubles w/ the mysql setup for mythtv: http://pastebin.com/633452

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Kelerion:

morning all

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Juski:

mornign Kelerion

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Juski:

morning, even

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** Kelerion waves **

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Kelerion:

hows one?

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Juski:

bit squiffy

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Juski:

watching cctv again

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Kelerion:

ahh.. any updates? not been here for a couple of days

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Juski:

nah not as yet

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Juski:

I think the bastard might be onto us (good and bad)

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Kelerion:

they all know about my cameras around here too.. and not been any trouble for weeks now.. I think just the deterrant might actually be working

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Kelerion:

it's still running 24/7 though.. just in case

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Juski:

good – as in he's spotted the cameras.. and bad as in I don't get to help kick the living shite out of him

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Kelerion:

yup.. lol

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Kelerion:

heres a question.. I converted a few episodes of something (using nuvexport) and I can burn them off to a DVD compliant disk using a couple of programs.. the disks all work fine on my pc but look shaky on my dvd player.. is that an interlace thing?

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Juski:

maybe yeah

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Kelerion:

thing is I deleted the episodes once I'd converted them.. would something like virtualdub deinterlace them for me? I looked into it and it looks like it should but want to be sure before I set it off on a 4 hour job.. lol

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Kelerion:

virtualdub-mpeg2 to be precise.. virtualdub doesn't handle mpeg2 files apparently

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Kelerion:

I suppose I'm answering my own question here

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Kelerion:

was just wanting to be sure that was what the problem was

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Juski:

hmmm yes

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Kelerion:

thanks.. I know I'm not being too precise here.. lol... will give it a shot

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Kelerion:

I'll leave it running a batch tonight

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Juski:

watched a whole episode of TNG with no adverts last night

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Kelerion:

it detected them??

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Juski:

flagging worked great... then the next episode I watched was all bollocksed up.. ad breaks were detected but ended too soon

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Kelerion:

has there been some changes in svn?

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Juski:

more than likely

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Kelerion:

I upgraded my svn a week ago.. haven't tried the flagging.. I kinda gave up on it

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Kelerion:

got a new remote working today on my ubuntu FE.. it's one I got with my laptop.. it's a toshiba rebranded MCE remote with one of the eHome receivers/tuners.. works great

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Juski:

ooo nifty

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Servo888:

I'm converting from Gentoo to either Ubuntu or Debian... Can anybody recommend to me which distrobution to use? Maybe knoppmyth if that's anygood?

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Kelerion:

lots of nice buttons on it for quickjumps to stuff.. will get all the extra buttons working tomorrow

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Beirdo:

Ubuntu and Debian are quite similar

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Juski:

Servo888: depends what you call 'good'.. and YMMV

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Kelerion:

Beirdo: yup

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Beirdo:

Ubuntu has a more timely release schedule

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mrproper_:

Servo888: im using knoppmyth, aside from the fact that it uses knoppix as the backend *cringe* its been great, all the hard yards are done

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Kelerion:

I'm not putting debian down because it's a damn good distro... but ubuntu just feels "polished" to me

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Beirdo:

I'm an ubuntu fiend at this point

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Juski:

polished can mean many things though ;-)

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Beirdo:

but debian and ubuntu are close cousins

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Servo888:

hmm.

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Kelerion:

I know.. but the flexibility is still there for a power user too.. they haven't dumbed it down

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Beirdo:

yup

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Servo888:

I downloaded knoppmyth, I might give that ago.

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Servo888:

then again it doesn't really matter... It's still all debian.

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Kelerion:

I tried knoppmyth.. and its great.. but I just got the impression if anything went wrong it was just harder to fix than with a full distro

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Beirdo:

well, debian-related, yes

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Kelerion:

I do admit I didn't give it a *serious* try though

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Servo888:

hmm well I'll give ubuntu a try first I think... D

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Servo888:

crap... 250GB's isn't enough for backups = go figure.

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Juski:

blank HDD to basic working mythtv system... <2 hours for me...

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Kelerion:

I suppose a lot of it comes down to what your comfortable with though.. I live on RH for years before jumping to ubuntu.. and I did like the rpm's.. but it seemed to all go shabby after FC3

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Beirdo:

Servo888, doubt you'll be disappointed

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Kelerion:

Juski.. same here.. but I've lost track of the amount of times I've re-installed myth over the last couple of years.. so it's kinda by auto-pilot now

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Servo888:

I will just have to figure out how to turn off gnome from starting... I only have 256MB's of ram, not enough to run any kind of WM in the background.

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Servo888:

One of these days I'll buy another stick of 256... One of these days

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Kelerion:

I hear a few people have had luck with things like fluxbox.. pretty lean wm

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Beirdo:

I use ratpoison

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Kelerion:

thats even more lean

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Servo888:

Yah, that would work I think. I have about 6MB's of ram to play with when mythtv is running at full blast.

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

fluxbox would work too

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Kelerion:

I'd definately recommend running *some* kind of WM.. for when you want to do maintainance.. makes things a tad easier

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Servo888:

Question... The log in managers; do they kill them selves after you log in to your desktop?

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Beirdo:

don't think so

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Beirdo:

I think they just sleep

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Beirdo:

let me look

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Servo888:

Kelerion, I've been doing most maintainance from a remote system. Hell I haven't touched the keyboard on my mythbox in months (up until now).

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Beirdo:

root 6787 0.0 0.6 10804 2592 ? Ss 09:36 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm

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Beirdo:

root 6788 0.0 0.7 11136 3044 ? S 09:36 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm

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Beirdo:

yeah, it stays running

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Servo888:

I had everything running from my single RCA remote control.

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Kelerion:

Servo888: it also helps with window focussing.. people tend to have problems with that when they try to cut out the WM

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

that's the primary reason to use a wm

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Beirdo:

with myth that is

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Servo888:

Kelerion, that's true. I guess I'll give a light weight wm a try.

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kormoc:

on my mythbox, it's 256 megs of ram and it's using kde just fine

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Kelerion:

see? I've learnt a couple of things.. am kinda helpful now! :)

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Servo888:

kormoc, kde + mythtv?

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Servo888:

or just kde?

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kormoc:

kde + mythtv

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Beirdo:

kormoc, you are a nut :)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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kormoc:

I keep meaning to put on xfce4, but just never had the time

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Beirdo:

heh, I know how that goes

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kormoc:

Servo888, most of kde gets swapped anyway, so it's not memory starved at all

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Servo888:

kormoc, hmm that's true.

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Beirdo:

my online stream ripper seems to be workin great now

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nosun:

fuck Linux and MythTV:P

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nosun:

no offence but they're both evil;)

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nosun:

but hey

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Beirdo:

only in the hands of the incompetant

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nosun:

life goes on:P

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Servo888:

was that like sarcasm or what...

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Kelerion:

no offence taken.. your entitled to your opinion.. even if it is a stupid one :)

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nosun:

has anyone here actually read the whole documentation of mythtv?

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nosun:

cause I believe its a lie till someone tells me directly they did

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Beirdo:

of course

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kormoc:

when I was installing it first time, I did

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kormoc:

and I still refer to it now and again

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Kelerion:

I've never read it *all*.. just referred to it at the beginning when I wanted to look something up

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nosun:

the closest I got mythtv to work was on Suse

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nosun:

:p

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kormoc:

I tend to read up on what I'm getting myself into before I try

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nosun:

I did read into it a bit:P

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Kelerion:

kormoc: thats too logical for me.. am more of a "lets see if I can make this work" kinda person :)

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nosun:

tutorials wize more though

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nosun:

:p

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Kelerion:

nosun: FC and Jarods guide.. or ubuntu and apt is about as simple as it gets

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nosun:

ubuntu is what I'm playing with:P

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nosun:

;)

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nosun:

but I dunno

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nosun:

maybe I will ditch the msi TV @nywhere till I get one of these BT's working first

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kormoc:

you should work on getting a single card working, then add more

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nosun:

on positive note.... I got composite working on both in Suse:)

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Kelerion:

"BT's"?

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kormoc:

for every extra card you add, possable issues goes up a billion times

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nosun:

Zoltrix TV Max

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Juski:

not using lame framegrabbers could lessen the frustration for a start

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Kelerion:

ahh.. a framegrabber

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kormoc:

Juski, but that makes sense

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Juski:

card X from unheard of manufacturer.. why doesn't it work? Surprised? Shouldn't be

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kormoc:

nosun, yet alone, how powerful of a box do you ahve? my 2.4 ghz p4 used 30% cpu for a single frame grabber...

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Kelerion:

I was running an Avermedia Studio card for a year and was quite happy.. sure my PVR is better.. but I was still happy with the Aver because I didn't know any better :)

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nosun:

what?

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Kelerion:

and that was a combined FE/BE on a 2800XP athlon

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nosun:

my box is a Athlon 2400+, 512mb 3200, GeForce 4 440

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nosun:

40gb hd

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nosun:

:p

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nosun:

I don't plan on recording much:P

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kormoc:

nosun, your frame grabber cards use the cpu to encode. it took 30% of my p4 2.4 ghz box to run a single frame grabber, running 3 would put it at 90% and that was without playback

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kormoc:

so why have 3 capture cards?

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nosun:

my other card is hardware encoding I believe

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nosun:

:p

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kormoc:

which card is it?

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Kelerion:

if it ain't a hauppauge.. I'd doubt it

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nosun:

MSI TV @nywhere

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nosun:

apparently its supported on Kernel 2.6

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kormoc:

so why not just use it and give up on the bttv cards?

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kormoc:

you'll get much better quality, and not kill the box.

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nosun:

cause I heard bttv is easier;)

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kormoc:

not really

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Juski:

easier than what?

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Beirdo:

ummm, MSI TV @nywhere is a frame grabber

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nosun:

also:S

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nosun:

fuck all my cap cards

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Juski:

I'm no expert but ivtv ain't so hard

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Beirdo:

and last I looked had no tuner support in Linux

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nosun:

has

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Beirdo:

if it does now, I have another useful tuner card for testing

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nosun:

one guy in here got it working:P

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Beirdo:

the silicon tuner is supported now?

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alex777:

what's the best setup for recording off a satellite dish set top box ? pvr-150 w/ IR blaster ?

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Beirdo:

it might be a newer version of the card

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nosun:

forgot who but I had one guy telling me it is

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nosun:

he said he had it before his new one which is one of those ivtv's or whatever:P

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Torq:

how come i can talk on IRC but no other internet connections work.

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kormoc:

nosun, you sure he wasn't capturing off of his svideo or similar connection?

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Torq:

very strange, this MBP must be borked

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nosun:

likely dns problem

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nosun:

Torq likely a dns prob

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nosun:

:P

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Torq:

yeah...

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Kelerion:

nope.. it's a 878 based card

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nosun:

try going to 216.239.57.104

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nosun:

if it works then its dns prob

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nosun:

:p

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Juski:

silicon tuners are eeevil

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nosun:

yeah?

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nosun:

why?

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Juski:

look at them...

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nosun:

I want to get a 150 but I currently lack the $$$:P

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Juski:

analogue tuners (in the old sense with big components) are well tried & tested... people can take shortcuts & cut costs without much affect on performance

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Juski:

cut corners on a silicon tuner and erm... oh dear

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Juski:

just don't trust em

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Juski:

digital ones, maybe... but not analogue

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nosun:

wintv go any good?

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Juski:

there are good tuners, and not so good ones

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Juski:

pay less than Â£15 ($30) and takes your choice

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Juski:

first thing to do is check it's compatible with Linux or you'll be throwing money away

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nosun:

I'm gonna just buy a WinTV-PVR 150 and get over with it

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nosun:

I'm gonna be owing but hey:p

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Juski:

speculate to accumulate

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nosun:

I have the money in my room but its not mine:P

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Juski:

when I 1st started out in this game I was trying an ATI all-in-wonder Pro card... how much time did I waste? that was still when I was trying to do PVR stuff in windows...

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Juski:

then plumpled for a DVB tuner... didn't work in windows and the linux kernel driver was still really new

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Juski:

now some 18 months on I would'nt have a windows system if you gave me one for free

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Juski:

unless I could put linux & mythtv on it ;-)

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Kelerion:

for pvr.. you couldn't live without your Sony Vegas :P

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Juski:

actually its been crashing like a bastard lately

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Kelerion:

ouch

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Juski:

sony support are like "send us the crash listings..." and I'm like "eh? it just bombs out to the desktop"

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

need to reinstall everything

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Kelerion:

you use that machine for much else?

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Juski:

it's been more than 6 months & I've installed a few programs & removed em

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Juski:

downloads... editing.. web page bodging.. email..

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Juski:

I could mostly dual boot if I could be arsed

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Kelerion:

might sound strange.. but you considered getting a Mac for your video editing?

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Juski:

when I've paid Â£Â£Â£ for vegas on windows? doubt it

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Juski:

and macs are expensive

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Kelerion:

I know they're damn expensive.. but I know a lot of people swear by it

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Juski:

and I don't like FCP

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Kelerion:

FCP?

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Juski:

final cut pro

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Kelerion:

ah

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Juski:

they're nice, Macs.. but only for rich people

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Juski:

seriously

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Kelerion:

well.. true

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Juski:

even ignoring Micro Anvika prices....

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Juski:

they're still mega costly

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Kelerion:

but they are seriously nice for people that are graphics/video orientated too

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kormoc:

macs arn't that bad

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kormoc:

a mac mini is only $500 or so

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Juski:

yeh but what can you do on a mac mini?

[23:46:17]

kormoc:

what you can on a mac?

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Juski:

$500 == Â£500

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Juski:

the PC gear exchange rate

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, shouldn't it be possible to burn files from a hauppage pvr card directly to a dvd without transcoding? (for playing in a standalone dvd player)

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kormoc:

it's a dual core 1.66 ghz proc

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Juski:

for Â£500 I could upgrade to a dual core system with like 2GB ram

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Kelerion:

it costs more than than.. you don't get what you need for a basic model.. dvd burner for example

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kormoc:

Kelerion, I never use my dvd burner, so that's useless for my wants/needs

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Juski:

apple still have that obstactle to get over.. that it's just seen as a rich person's computer

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kormoc:

Juski, same form factor?

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Kelerion:

if you were using it for video editing / dvd compilation etc you would

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kormoc:

doubtful, I would just store the video on the drive

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Juski:

when I win the lottery, I'll buy a mac

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Juski:

am I cranky enough to own a Mac anyway? ;-)

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Kelerion:

although to be fair you could transfer whatever your created over a network to a pc with a dvd burner if you already have one.. because it ain't cheap to get an external dvd burner for a mac mini

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Kelerion:

Juski: sure you are :P

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Juski:

lol

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Cromz:

mac with yellow dog linux on it.

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Juski:

it's deffo a middle-class computer though

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kormoc:

Kelerion, just toss a standard ide dvd burner into a ide usb case, and off you go

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Kelerion:

kormoc: true

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** Juski realises he has a chip on his shoulder **

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Kelerion:

just one?

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Juski:

lol

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Kelerion:

pfft.. I don't believe it

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Juski:

they look damn pretty though

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Juski:

'3 button mouse optional extra'

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Kelerion:

and those monitors are *sexy*

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kormoc:

if they only made them in black...

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Kelerion:

lol

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** Juski has a sense of deja-vu **

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Kelerion:

yeah.. I can just imagine Apple going for that

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kormoc:

Kelerion, they made black ipods!

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Juski:

ipods.. don't get me started about them!

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** Juski only hates ipods cos he can't afford one btw **

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Kelerion:

oh hell.. yeah I forgot about those

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Juski:

but I get a feeling of self-satisfaction when I see anyone with an ipod – i don't feel jealous.. I just remember my credit card has a balance of Â£0.00

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

my wife is always wishing I was that self-controlled

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Juski:

I also see "ROB ME! I've got an Ipod! Just look at my giveaway white earbud headphones!"

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Kelerion:

ahh.. thats bordering on paranoia though

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Juski:

shit – I'm a very bitter, bitter man

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Juski:

in all honesty though – there'd be no point in me owning such junk. for one thing – I don't have enough opportunity to use one

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Kelerion:

I bet you have a mobile.. and given the *probability* of you having one when you go to work looking smartly dressed.. your just as likely to get robbed

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Juski:

and if I didn't smerk tabs... I'd be able to spend at least Â£1000 a year on anything I like

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Juski:

nobody would want my mobile.. nokia 1100.. LOL

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Kelerion:

they don't know that when its in your pocket :)

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Juski:

I just don't see the _point_ in any gadget phones.... IMHO people who buy into 'cool' are mugs through and through.. mostly (not all though)

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Kelerion:

I *do* walk around with my laptop, my mp3 player, my mobile etc.. I might be prime target.. but I can't be more than anyone else walking around.. so I don't see why I should get paranoid about it

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Juski:

granted though – given where I work, Swinton near Manchester.. pikey central

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