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Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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kormoc:

dtm, which version of ide?

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dtm:

kormoc: no idea. whenever those guys were doing the first 1TB on 8 disks

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kormoc:

cause I'm realtively certain that ata/atapi 4 doesn't have the specs.

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kormoc:

dtm, how long ago?

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dtm:

maybe 2 years ago

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kormoc:

huh

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dtm:

i don't recall. it was on slashdot at least twice

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Juski:

if it was on slashbot it must've been true then

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dtm:

yeah. it was extensively documented

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Juski:

who was the first to do 1PB then?

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dtm:

probably someone at SGI ^_^

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kormoc:

Juski, San Diego Supercomputer Center

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dtm:

in 1995 ;)

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petabyte

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JasonX:

if joystickmenurc is installed and you play a gameon xmame, on exiting all joystick presses while playing the game hare then echoed to the front end so it goes crazy. Any way to stop this? (i have disabled joystickmenurc for now unless cure is available)

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GreyFoxx:

JasonX: lemme guess, you are not running 0.19

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JasonX:

no i read of probs with nova-t's so reamined on 0.18

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GreyFoxx:

then there isn't much you can do ab out it

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JasonX:

is is fixed in 0.19 then

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know of any issue related to nova-t cards

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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Juski:

bye for now GreyFoxx

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JasonX:

ahh ok I did google first but didnt see anything

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Juski:

JasonX: that stuff will be fixed soon, if it hasn't been already

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JasonX:

um i will show u link re nova-t's i think i have it bookmarked

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kormoc:

I've heard that it's been fixed in 0.19-fixes

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Juski:

my dvb card is the same driver/design as nova-t – both work just fine for making recordings

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Juski:

livetv works in a fashion too, but I don't use it anyway

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JasonX:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

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JasonX:

I am gonna do a 0.19 soon on a new drive (just got some drive caddies for £4 so can slip drives in and out, shoulda got em years ago)

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Juski:

0.20 should be nicer.. MHEG, DVB radio & loads of goodies

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** xris wants dvb in the US... :( **

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xris:

er, dvb-s

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Juski:

along with improved EIT schedule change handling.. that might be enough to make me dump xmltv

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roger55:

how can I tell mythbackend to set nvram-wakeup time for the next recording and shut down now?

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JasonX:

AHh the EIT yer you educated me on that t'other day

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Juski:

aye

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JasonX:

I went down the path of nice -15 mythfrontend and sudoing it and enabling realtime priorities but it didnt seem to make a diff, (i dont think) I'm thinking I should maybe put it back un sudo's as maybe things will start running as root that will cause confusion with picking up config files

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Juski:

JasonX: I told you – SVN has a lot of stuff fixed, and you can sidestep EIT by using xmltv anyway

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JasonX:

oh yer I know I was just trying alternatives to xmltv for my own curiosity

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JasonX:

I will 0.19 and SVN on a new drive soon, but my 0.18 that has been customised to my like darent be touched

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JasonX:

I would quite like at that point to set up a development environment and play with the code, though have never coded under unix but have done under windows for many many years

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JasonX:

in fact until myth 2 months ago had barely used nix at all

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

we was all linux virgins once upon a time ;-)

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xris:

long ago...

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JasonX:

yer its quite weird, i learn and leanr and learn but never feel safe

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JasonX:

under windows i have zero fear, as i can fix anything, but unix im scared that one wrong command will nuke me

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braniff:

some commands will

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JasonX:

i did quite a bit of video stuff under windows off and on though so am curious to 'ave a look

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** braniff nuked an ubuntu install the other day **

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Juski:

rm -rf /* does the trick, I once found

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braniff:

so does "# chown username:username -r /"

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braniff:

heh

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xris:

braniff: depends on what you do with the system

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JasonX:

linux seems a lot more anarchaic than windoze

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Juski:

it is in some ways

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braniff:

xris, well i wanted to boot it, but that was no longer happening

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** braniff switched to fedora with SELinux **

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JasonX:

- /usr/bin /usr/local/bin

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JasonX:

there seems to be many competing ideologies of where files should live

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** Juski tried FC2 once – changed the screen res & lost all video on the monitor.. had to nuke it & try again.. with the same result.. gave up **

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JasonX:

also its all like 80's command line stuff again, i guess there are gui tools but does anyone use them

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braniff:

i like linux better than windows though for security reasons

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Juski:

tried installing FC3 for a week before giving up... didn't check the MD5 before burning the CDs

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braniff:

lol

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Juski:

the GUI tools are okay but now I find it quicker to open a shell

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JasonX:

well yer i have done all my mythconfig over tsh/webmin

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JasonX:

though vnc has been very handy too

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JasonX:

i doubt my machine is secure at all. though it behind NAT firewall so...

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Juski:

NAT keeps all but the most determined of script kiddies out

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dtm:

how could a script kiddie defeat nat :)

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braniff:

most cracking is drive-by hacking of windows machines — through web sites or email

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braniff:

so linux is *mostly* safe

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braniff:

fedora most of all since SELinux provides stack and heap overflow protection

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JasonX:

if mythweb were opened up with a port mapping thru the nat to outside would that be unsafe?

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braniff:

probably, but no public exploits exist for mythweb

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xris:

JasonX: use ssl and authentication

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haj:

I don't need to have frequencies in my channel configuration do i ?

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haj:

the channelnumber should be enough?

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xris:

haj: depends on where you live

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quitte:

is there a faster way than doing it channel by channel to ssign channel names?

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JasonX:

by configing apache

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haj:

2006-03–30 02:38:24.262 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

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haj:

2006-03–30 02:38:24.262 Channel(/dev/video1)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

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xris:

quitte: mythweb

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haj:

xris: i can tune my tuners with ivtv-tune without specifying a frequency.

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haj:

xris: just the channum

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xris:

haj: then you're probably fine as long as you configure the proper frequency table in mythtv-setup

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JasonX:

One Problem I encountered (dunno if it id doc'd) was I installed a second Nova-T card and daisy chained the ariel out of 1st nova-t to second nova-t and this caused a lot of probs

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quitte:

xris: and how do i know which channel is which station?

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xris:

JasonX: you probably need an amp

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JasonX:

xris: yer i learned that the hard way after 3 hours of madness

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xris:

quitte: dunno. in the US, we use numbers to tune channels, so it's easy to figure out (and all pre-configured). doesn't that stuff come in with xmltv?

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Juski:

JasonX: what xris said

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JasonX:

got a new one on ebay yesterday as it happens as my old amp/splitter seemed to not work very well (15 years old)

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quitte:

xris i dont think so. we have sat 1, pro sieben, das vierte, dsf and all sort of random channel names. and they are even regionally differently assigned

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haj:

xris: oh, that was at default :o/ that could be the problem :)

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xris:

quitte: you might want to ask in #mythtv-de for more localized help

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xris:

haj: dunno. I think "try it" is probably the best course of action

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JasonX:

can you change pip size/loc in 0.19 or is it still hardcoded

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JasonX:

What I meant actually re Nova-t and what i read is that the 'output' ariel signal isn't very good. And what i found weird was the second card could not tune to any channel that was on the same mux that the 1st card was tuned to

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Juski:

JasonX: hardcoded PiP size

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JasonX:

my tv signal is pretty good, i need a powered splitter but it doesnt need boosting i am up high and prolly a mile in direct site of the local dvb transmitter

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Juski:

the signal from some tuners' loop outputs is amplified.. so it may even be _too_ strong

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JasonX:

well i haven't ever connected it direct to a tv BUT i did notice as i said that if say card 1 was on news24 then card 2 couldnt tune to bbc1/bbc2 but ITV (on diff mux) was fine

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haj:

hmmmm...

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Juski:

that's baaaad

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JasonX:

if i then changed card 1 to itv, then card 2 could no longer get it but could now get bbc1 (using ariel out on card 1, to ariel in on card 2)

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Juski:

no problems with my dirt cheap Leadtek DVB-T tuners, thankfully

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JasonX:

as if card was stripping out the mux or something

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haj:

2006-03–30 02:50:20.396 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 54.

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haj:

but i can set the channel with ivtv-tune

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haj:

thats a bit weird :o/

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Juski:

well, it can't do that... maybe the tuner on the first card (probably its local oscillator) causing problems

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JasonX:

it really wound me up til i tried an ariel splitter after a few hours of confusion then the madness ended

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Juski:

interesting though....

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JasonX:

im not sure why it happened but i watched this weirdness for quite q while

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Juski:

anyway.. I must off...

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Juski:

night all

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JasonX:

coolio

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JasonX:

yer i think i must sleep too, no more 5am's adios

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Nothingman:

hi, all

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Nothingman:

still having some of the troubles I was having last night

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Nothingman:

most notably mythfrontend crashes on the mythbox when it tries to access the sound card, and the remote frontend gets garbled info on the recorded shows menu, though mysql from the command line returns all the right info

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haj:

wooh... it's recording

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haj:

hm .. is it normal that it flags commercials while recording?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe that is optional

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haj:

okay.. should be okay though.. :)

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Cardoe:

is anyone an Apache demi-god?

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bulio:

can mythTV work without a tv tuner?

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haj:

yeb, you can use it as a tv guide ;)

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bulio:

heh

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bulio:

what about using it to capture tv online?

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haj:

hm .. that i dont know

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kormoc:

there is nothing for that right now, no

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haj:

weh.. i got it working :)

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haj:

livetv seems to work as well, but it's buggy with the Xbox Media Center mythtv-plugin :o/

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** haj is so happy **

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bulio:

alright, so I guess it is of no use to me until I either get a tv-tuner, or mythTV gets online support

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bulio:

whichever comes first :P

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kormoc:

bulio, likely your tv tuner :)

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bulio:

yeah :)

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bulio:

thanks anyways

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haj:

heh.

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haj:

mythfrontend crashes the mga drm-module :)

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haj:

*sleep*

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defi_:

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abarbaccia:

hey guys – help me out here – any advice on compiling from svn? a howto possibly?

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, check the wiki/myth website

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Nothingman:

abarbaccia: aren't you the guy who compiled the Fedora MythTV howto?

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abarbaccia:

Nothingman: no, the ubuntu mythtv howto

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abarbaccia:

I'm not a big fan of svn ;-)

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TSCHAK:

/usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory

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TSCHAK:

i am on debian, what am i missing?

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Nothingman:

well, well done to you, my friend, and thanks for all the initial info!

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TSCHAK:

I thought i had all the libttf-dev stuff installed

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Nothingman:

I used both the Fedora and Ubuntu howtos

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Nothingman:

but yours was most helpful

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TSCHAK:

oh nm, debian seems to have placed things in an unusual layout

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abarbaccia:

Nothingman: I'm working on a blog right now thats oging to have my development stuff – like stuff before it goes onto abarbaccia

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abarbaccia:

so for example xvmc was broken in breezy – its fixed in dapper (i think) so i posted on getting the new nvidia drivers, tonight on compiling mythtv svn with firewire support, and hopefully tomorrrow grabbing off my cablebox and playback some HD stuff with xvmc

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Nothingman:

very cool

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Nothingman:

I should start blogging about my own setup

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abarbaccia:

yeah, bloggings addictive

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abarbaccia:

after you get your first comment and know people are reading it – you're hooked for life

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Nothingman:

I have a unique frontend machine: a laptop I broke the screen on hooked up by Svideo to a 32" TV

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Nothingman:

all my myth hardware is stuff I had before I started trying to get the project working

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Nothingman:

and it records! and it plays music! and it does the video game emulation and a pretty cool Tuxracer on the TV!

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Nothingman:

but I don't have a machine that seems able to play the recordings

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abarbaccia:

Nothingman: underpowered?

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Nothingman:

well, the backend is my most powerful desktop: a 700MHz Duron with a GeForceFX 5200 and 384MB RAM, plus a 250MB HD used solely for /myth/tv

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Nothingman:

whoops

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Nothingman:

250GB HD

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Nothingman:

80GB for /, including /myth/*

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abarbaccia:

alright – for future reference you should make them two different partitions, if you loose your root you still have your data

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abarbaccia:

that backend is powerful enough to playback recordings

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abarbaccia:

XvMC on the GeForce with Bob deinterlacing would look real nice on that 32" TV

[02:55:21]

Nothingman:

next-most powerful desktop: a 400MHz K6–2/3DNow!, 512MB, 6GB, 3-head (Nvidia GeForce2, 2xDiamond Stealth 2000's)

[02:56:40]

Nothingman:

the frontend machine hooked to the TV is a 1.7GHz Pentium4, 512MB RAM, ATI Radeon M7 (7500 equiv, just shy of the fglrx driver requirements :( ) with a 20GB HD I'm thinking of trying to use for all music

[02:57:28]

Nothingman:

mythfrontend on the backend dies when it tries to access the sound

[02:58:21]

Nothingman:

mythfrontend on the remote frontend (wireless) gets gibberish in the recorded programs menu — but not, for instance, in the music menu, the manage recordings menu, or many others

[03:04:23]

Nothingman:

and, I repeat once more: mysql -h <myhost> -u mythtv -p mythconverg works fine from the remote frontend :-P

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kormoc:

Nothingman, from the remote frontend, in the mysql shell, does SELECT * FROM recorded; show good stuff or gibberish?

[03:05:37]

Nothingman:

shows good stuff

[03:05:46]

Nothingman:

shows exactly what it should, afaict

[03:05:58]

kormoc:

have you recompiled/reinstalled qt?

[03:06:44]

Nothingman:

if it helps, some of the stuff the recorded menu shows are things like {0, myth://<my host ip>/1022_0091910981.nuv, mythbox}

[03:08:10]

Nothingman:

and Pirate of the Caribbean, for which I deleted the file (since it didn't record properly some months ago)

[03:09:31]

TSCHAK:

how do i generate the configure script from an svn checkout for mythgallery???

[03:10:09]

Anduin:

TSCHAK: plugins are configured in the parent directory.

[03:12:03]

Nothingman:

btw, those brackets weren't part of what I'm getting, just denoting the range

[03:19:32]

Nothingman:

kormoc: sorry for the delay, no I haven't

[03:19:56]

Nothingman:

this is a knoppmyth box, and I'm having trouble apt-get upgrading it

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Nothingman:

otherwise I could probably put thehunter.ws's debs on it and things would work better

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kormoc:

Nothingman, I would try that, as qt is what handles the mysql data after it gets it from the server until it gives it to myth

[03:25:40]

Nothingman:

OK

[03:29:09]

xris:

kormoc: fyi, I just added a settings-table editor to mythweb... really need to set up user restrictions now. heh.

[03:29:15]

AngryElf:

hey all, when setting up the initial database.......from the docs on the website, it says "cd databse"......well where is this databse directory suppose to be?

[03:31:51]

kormoc:

xris, nice, and yeah, that will be fun to add

[03:31:59]

kormoc:

AngryElf, depends on your distro

[03:32:11]

AngryElf:

i compiled from source......but ubuntu

[03:32:34]

kormoc:

AngryElf, in the source, there's a file called mc.sql somewhere, just use that

[03:33:07]

Nothingman:

do I really need all these -dev packages?

[03:33:33]

Nothingman:

they're choking my apt-get upgrade

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AngryElf:

does mysql < mc.sql import the databse, so to speak?

[03:33:51]

kormoc:

AngryElf, yes

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AngryElf:

oh ok

[03:33:59]

kormoc:

Nothingman, perhaps, donno off hand tho

[03:38:59]

achew22:

kormoc when I emerge stuff it says * IMPORTANT: 1 config files in /etc how do I figure out what needs configuring?

[03:39:29]

SlicerDicer-:

hey kormoc

[03:39:36]

Nothingman:

aptitude fixed the dependencies

[03:39:48]

kormoc:

achew22, etc-update is your friend

[03:39:50]

kormoc:

SlicerDicer, hihi

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SlicerDicer-:

hey kormoc do you know if its possible to set it up so I can have 2 different programing lists one for each input?

[03:41:52]

SlicerDicer-:

so I can force HDTV to record on HDTV tuner?

[03:42:18]

kormoc:

yes, just create a new program list and tell the hd tuner to use it

[03:42:33]

SlicerDicer-:

and then delete the HD channels from the pvr350 one?

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kormoc:

yup

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SlicerDicer-:

ok now the question is

[03:44:44]

SlicerDicer-:

when I delete it will zap2it update the channels I delete back?

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kormoc:

you'll need to make two different zap2it lineups then

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh ok

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SlicerDicer-:

2 differnet accounts?

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kormoc:

shouldn't need to

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kormoc:

it allows multiple lineups per account iirc

[03:46:09]

SlicerDicer-:

ok

[03:46:19]

SlicerDicer-:

I will try deleting them again and see what happens

[03:46:25]

SlicerDicer-:

I deleted the channels

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TSCHAK:

ok got everything compiled

[03:51:49]

TSCHAK:

but i am pissed

[03:51:57]

TSCHAK:

mythgame is not showing up

[03:52:02]

TSCHAK:

even though it compiled perfectly

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TSCHAK:

no errors on console

[03:54:20]

Nothingman:

if I post a pastebin of my mythfrontend's verbose output, would anyone be willing to look at it to possibly tell me why it crashes when I try to use a recorded program or a music file?

[03:54:51]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: here goes nothing on the test front of it haha

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a1fa:

ok

[03:55:07]

a1fa:

this is bullshit

[03:55:12]

a1fa:

lost sucks

[03:55:26]

a1fa:

they advertised this episode like its THE ONE

[03:55:36]

a1fa:

"ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED"

[03:55:37]

a1fa:

my ass

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Beirdo:

you had me at "lost sucks"

[03:58:01]

Nothingman:

yeah

[03:58:22]

Nothingman:

it's like, they kinda *want* people to keep watching for no partickler reason, a1fa

[03:58:31]

SlicerDicer-:

what the hell does E mean in the upcoming recordings list with mythweb?

[03:58:37]

Nothingman:

It's peanut butter jelly time!!!

[03:59:03]

a1fa:

tru

[03:59:09]

a1fa:

they are assholes

[03:59:11]

a1fa:

i am serious

[03:59:16]

a1fa:

i will stop watching it

[03:59:32]

Nothingman:

good deal

[03:59:43]

a1fa:

seriously

[03:59:53]

a1fa:

they are not solving any misteries

[03:59:57]

a1fa:

and just keep adding more and more

[04:00:01]

Beirdo:

sure they are

[04:00:05]

a1fa:

now lock found a map on the blast doors

[04:00:12]

Beirdo:

the mystery of who in hell watches Lost

[04:00:17]

a1fa:

:P

[04:00:18]

a1fa:

hhaha

[04:00:41]

D-side:

Beirdo: i keep hearing people blather on about how good it is

[04:00:47]

D-side:

so i figured i'd eventually watch it

[04:01:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, but people say that Windows XP is great too

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Beirdo:

people are stupid

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xris:

lol

[04:02:08]

** xris votes for Boston Legal instead. **

[04:02:17]

Beirdo:

yeah

[04:02:24]

Beirdo:

Shatner can actually act

[04:02:36]

xris:

yeah

[04:02:52]

D-side:

er

[04:02:53]

Beirdo:

without seriously over-acting

[04:03:00]

D-side:

wasnt that what the turned The Practice into?

[04:03:09]

D-side:

s/the/they/

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xris:

my wife leaned over to me last night and said something to the extent of "imaging what people would have done 10 years ago if you'd have said that Shatner would play one of the best-acted characters on TV:

[04:03:13]

Beirdo:

totally different show

[04:03:19]

xris:

except she spelled correctly

[04:03:21]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:03:29]

D-side:

well wtf am i thinking of then

[04:03:45]

D-side:

but turning back to the topic at hand, shatner really isn't just a buffoon?

[04:03:46]

xris:

D-side: Denny and Alan were both "guest characters" on the last season of the practice.

[04:03:50]

Beirdo:

yeah, we woulda laughed if someone told us Shatner would be doing decent acting like this

[04:03:58]

xris:

D-side: doesn't matter. the character is, too. it's a PERFECT fit.

[04:04:05]

D-side:

xris: ah, gotcha.

[04:04:06]

xris:

but actually, shatner is apparently a workaholic

[04:04:15]

Beirdo:

and a Canadian

[04:04:16]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:04:27]

Beirdo:

from Montreal, but we can't win em all

[04:04:35]

xris:

second-best acted role on TV, second to his co-star (Spader is just too good in that role)

[04:05:21]

Nothingman:

2006-03–29 23:03:09.544 Audio fragment size: -1077497640 <--- what does that even *mean*?

[04:05:23]

Beirdo:

it's a fun show too

[04:05:55]

xris:

Nothingman: from what program?

[04:06:02]

Nothingman:

xris: mythfrontend

[04:06:25]

Nothingman:

it's one of the last lines before the segfault, and the only one that sticks out to me

[04:06:40]

abarbaccia:

whos excited for high def and xvmc on my mythbox?!

[04:07:00]

Nothingman:

I will be, abarbaccia!

[04:07:34]

abarbaccia:

its a pain in the ass using svn – i ran into mysql problems to realize build-dep left out a critical sql qt3 package

[04:07:40]

xris:

Nothingman: getting a backtrace is going to be more informative

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Nothingman:

OK

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Nothingman:

help with that?

[04:08:29]

xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac (go to submit a new bug, and there's a link for "how" that tells how to get a backtrace)

[04:11:16]

abarbaccia:

i wish datadirect fetches were a little bit quicker...why does it wait so long in between fetches

[04:11:45]

AngryElf:

i've got a funky error when trying to mysql mc.sql........http://pastebin.com/630210.......something about bad SQL syntax......anyone seen this?

[04:12:08]

abarbaccia:

AngryElf: i just did it without any problems

[04:13:13]

Nothingman:

if I have XvMC enabled, will that affect MythMusic output somehow?

[04:14:28]

AngryElf:

well, mine didn't :(

[04:14:43]

AngryElf:

abarbaccia, i'm gonna come get your box and you can have mine, k? :)

[04:16:02]

xris:

abarbaccia: probably to help not overload their server?

[04:16:13]

xris:

or maybe just takes awhile to parse the file

[04:16:46]

abarbaccia:

xris: true, it'd be interesting to see if there was a sleep command somewhere in there or not

[04:16:58]

abarbaccia:

AngryElf: I'd be more of a help if you were using ubuntu

[04:17:00]

abarbaccia:

sorry buddy

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Nothingman:

who here lives in a city?

[04:17:07]

abarbaccia:

I do

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AngryElf:

i am using ubuntu

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abarbaccia:

and you're using SVN?

[04:17:22]

AngryElf:

but i haven't been following your guide

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Nothingman:

do you have ambulances drive by every 5 min?

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AngryElf:

no, i compiled

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abarbaccia:

Nothingman: between 5 and 10

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abarbaccia:

AngryElf: that's what i was asking you

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Nothingman:

j/w

[04:18:00]

Nothingman:

will try all this again tomorrow

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abarbaccia:

AngryElf: you apt-get install mysql-server

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AngryElf:

been done

[04:19:02]

** xris lives in seattle **

[04:19:09]

xris:

I think that's a city.

[04:19:25]

xris:

kormoc lives a few miles away... right underneath the landing path of a major airport. heh

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AngryElf:

abarbaccia, i've been looking at your guide, and the command there don't work for me

[04:21:08]

AngryElf:

...at least for this mysql part

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SlicerDicer-:

dont forget about me xris

[04:23:30]

SlicerDicer-:

living out in the bend of the north!

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you don't live in the city, though

[04:23:45]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[04:23:51]

xris:

he asked who lived in a city

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SlicerDicer-:

I live in a city you insensitive clod! I live in the City of North Bend!!!!!1111 ;-)

[04:24:34]

xris:

heh

[04:24:41]

SlicerDicer-:

its not a town ;-)

[04:24:56]

xris:

depends on how you define it. don't believe everything you read on signposts. heh

[04:24:58]

abarbaccia:

woot!!! HD rocks!

[04:25:02]

SlicerDicer-:

haha xris

[04:25:08]

abarbaccia:

AngryElf: are you using breezy or dapper?

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abarbaccia:

my sempron is BARELY able to handle it...

[04:25:39]

abarbaccia:

2800+ at 87%

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a1fa:

HD?

[04:28:32]

a1fa:

lol

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AngryElf:

abarbaccia, breezy

[04:29:11]

a1fa:

abarbaccia : what tuner u got?

[04:29:19]

abarbaccia:

AngryElf: if you follow the guide carefully it'll work

[04:29:33]

abarbaccia:

a1fa: none! firewire over the cablebox

[04:29:45]

abarbaccia:

but its not too great...flakey right now

[04:30:04]

abarbaccia:

gotta sort some things out – i think if i try to tune to a non broadcasted channel it craps out on me

[04:30:04]

a1fa:

lol

[04:30:18]

a1fa:

abarbaccia : version < 0.19?

[04:30:28]

a1fa:

i had the same problem in versions below 0.19

[04:30:29]

abarbaccia:

a1fa: svn as of today

[04:30:37]

abarbaccia:

a1fa: motorola box?

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a1fa:

no HD

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a1fa:

analog

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a1fa:

PVR-500

[04:30:57]

a1fa:

if i tuned to HBO *encrypted*

[04:31:11]

a1fa:

frontend/backend would crash

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AngryElf:

mysql is crapping on a syntax error in mc.sql.........so it's either mysql-server is screwed, or mc.sql........isn't that logical?

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xris:

AngryElf: so what's the error?

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** xris pokes kormoc **

[04:33:24]

AngryElf:

xris http://pastebin.com/630210

[04:33:39]

** kormoc peers **

[04:33:52]

AngryElf:

if i comment out the last line it works fine.......but i'm guessing the last line is important

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abarbaccia:

a1fa i thought u ssaid u used firewire?

[04:34:22]

xris:

AngryElf: alter database... hmmmm

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kormoc:

AngryElf, you're using a older version of mysql, you can ignore that

[04:34:49]

AngryElf:

i'm using 4.0.24 which is > than 3.23 , the required version

[04:34:51]

xris:

anyway, just run it with the -f (--force) option to ignore that error

[04:34:57]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: he is angry I would watch it! :P btw I figured out how to do the HD thing

[04:35:08]

kormoc:

AngryElf, right, but it's not needed and it was for mysql 5

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kormoc:

tho oddly, it should work fine, as it's supported in mysql 4

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AngryElf:

-f doesn't ignore it

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xris:

AngryElf: it won't ignore it, but it won't have a critical failure and stop executing any following code. of course, in this case, there isn't any.

[04:37:11]

AngryElf:

mmk

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kormoc:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/alter-table.html

[04:39:15]

kormoc:

3.0.23 should support that, as should 4.0.x and 4.1.x

[04:40:10]

AngryElf:

can someone explain this the msql grant all command?? grant all on mythconverg.* to <linux_username>@"192.168.1.%" identified by "<what is this???>"; everywhere i see mythtv in that spot, but i have no user named mythtv on my box, not sure what i need to put there to tailor it to my setup

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abarbaccia:

okay

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kormoc:

AngryElf, it's not the linux username

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xris:

AngryElf: the "what is" is the password

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xris:

% is a wildcard character

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kormoc:

it's grant all on mythconverg.* to <mysql_username>@"192.168.1.%" identified by "<mysql_user_password>";

[04:41:11]

xris:

like * on the shell, or .* in perl regex

[04:41:21]

xris:

what kormoc said

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kormoc:

AngryElf, you see, mysql users are different then linux users

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abarbaccia:

grant all is giving ALL permission on the database called mythconverg,* (all the tables) for username @ (probably should be localhost) identified by "PASSWORD"

[04:41:32]

xris:

and don't type the <>

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abarbaccia:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"localhost" identified by "mythtv";

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abarbaccia:

try that

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AngryElf:

as far as i know i only have one user set up for mysql 'root' so i need to make a user named mythtv the same way?

[04:42:23]

abarbaccia:

and use mythtv as both the username and password for mysql

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kormoc:

AngryElf, that also creates the mysql user

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abarbaccia:

AngryElf: you dont wnat mythtv using the root mysql account to access the database

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: how do you cancel a recording you started?

[04:45:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer:

[04:45:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: [oops] go into the 'watch recordings', play it, then stop and delete it. (that's probably 1 of 100 ways...)

[04:45:53]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: delete it?

[04:45:59]

xris:

there's a "proper" way, but I forget.

[04:46:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer- — oops see above (missing "-")

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AngryElf:

you can go into the show through the program finder and tell it tno "do not record this program..." and it'll stop recording

[04:46:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

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SlicerDicer-:

great I think it exploded mythweb xris haha

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: huh?

[04:49:06]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh it died bad

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mchou:

anyone ever try FreeNAS here?

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** xris smells food.. later. **

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marccd:

is there a way to disable the annoying fade in effect in SVN?

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Salec:

whats a good analog tv mpeg2 bitrate?

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mchou:

wow, everyone complains about that

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marccd:

mchou: it is awfully slow, a performance killer, and inbeliably annoying

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marccd:

whoever coded it is a mothefucker

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mchou:

lol

[04:54:53]

mchou:

that's gratitude for ya :)

[04:55:08]

mchou:

no good deed goes unpunished

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J-e-f-f-A:

they probably have a 4GHz dual-processor machine.... Not that the rest of us are so lucky...

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marccd:

myth is heavy enough already

[04:55:31]

marccd:

yeah, and that motherfucker Chutt

[04:55:44]

marccd:

what an antisocial fuck, always making fun of people who have slower hardware

[04:55:51]

marccd:

he can go fuck his ass for all I care

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marccd:

fuck this shit

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Beirdo:

marccd, you are being antisocial yourself right now

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : +b marccd!*@*

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Beirdo:

dumbass can calm down first

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mchou:

Beirdo: man, why you do that :)

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Beirdo:

if he'd READ the svn commit comments (which he should if he's running SVN), he'd know how to shut it off

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Beirdo:

and his attitude was wholely inappropriate

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mchou:

Beirdo: you could had just told him to RTFM

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Beirdo:

he left anyways

[04:58:12]

Beirdo:

he can just stay out for a bit until he calms down

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AngryElf:

mythbackend produces: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 Driver not loaded......maybe it's looking in the wrong place for them? anyone know the name of the driver file?

[04:59:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

On a different note... What's the lowest CPU/video cobinantion anyone's got HD 1080i working on successfully? Somebody told me a day or two ago on here that they had HD working on a 1GHz Celeron with a GF4 and xvmc ...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: somehow I doubt that very much

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've got the lower-resolution HD channels (540p and possibly 720p) working on a 1Ghz PIII with a GF 5500, but it sucks most of the cycles out of the poor box...

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kormoc:

AngryElf, you need the mysql driver for QT, it's not looking in the wrong place, you need to install it

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J-e-f-f-A:

and won't play 1080i (well, it tries, but stutters 50/50..

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I sure would like an answer to that question too, cause I wouldnt mind using a Geode proc if it works

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tehmyth:

hey

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** AngryElf just found Beirdo's faq on the matter **

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tehmyth:

I need help with MythTv.

[05:02:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Gee, maybe I should just look at the irc logs... (what a concept, eh?) off to gossamer... brb...

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** Beirdo is going to bed **

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tehmyth:

I need help.

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tehmyth:

I have an ATI Tv Wonder Pro.

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tehmyth:

and the quality is horrible on Linux.

[05:03:21]

tehmyth:

but excellent on Windows.

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mchou:

lol. ATI dont like linux

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tehmyth:

the picture is screwed up

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tehmyth:

on linux

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tehmyth:

too bright

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tehmyth:

way too bright

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phar0e_:

what is the most popular thing in the world?

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kormoc:

phar0e_, boobs

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J-e-f-f-A:

tehmyth: Do yourself a favor — buy a Hauppauge PVR-150 — way less headaches and excellent picture quality... ATI isn't very good w/linux...

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mchou:

I vote for sex

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tomacco:

can anyone answer a mythtranscode/exporting question?

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phar0e_:

I can with a reply of yes, no, and maybe

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tomacco:

hmm, that probably wouldnt help much, but ill try anyways

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phar0e_:

maybe

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tomacco:

using nuvexport on the command line, to export to xvid, on most shows the audio will become out of sync suddenly- the video freezes for half a second or a second while the audio continues normally

[05:11:34]

tomacco:

do you know how to fix this?

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phar0e_:

yes

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phar0e_:

well not really, but hey, are you using ffmpeg or mencoder?

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kormoc:

nuvexport uses ffmpeg or transcode

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kormoc:

tomacco, you might want to try forcing it to use transcode and see if it works better or not

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kormoc:

tomacco, transcode tends to encoder better looking xvid anyway

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tomacco:

its using transcode right now... should i switch back to ffmpeg to see if it still happens?

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phar0e_:

I was able to use mencoder with nuvexport to export to xvid, no audio problems

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kormoc:

yup

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tomacco:

k

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tomacco:

thanks

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AngryElf:

say i do grant all a bunch of times......is there a way to see a list of all of those privileges?

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tomacco:

ok, ive got my script set up to use mencoder... we shall see what happens

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tomacco:

thx all

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AngryElf:

hmm ok, when i do mythfrontend on a remote machine I get "unable to connect to MySQL server on server.ip...............when i ran the grant all command I had 'mythtv@server.ip ' so that matches up, not sure what else it could be.....anyone?

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thechris:

AngryElf: if your on a college campus with a lame internet connection, like say SIUE, then it might be blocked by port...

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** thechris wants to stab OIT/Telecom in the eye **

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Salec:

what's a good tv recording bitrate?

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kormoc:

the default?

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Anduin:

Salec: Depends on your needs.

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Salec:

analog tv

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Salec:

not the best in the world

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kormoc:

Salec, best way to tell, try the default, if it's good, leave it alone, or lower it until it sucks, if it sucks, raise it up

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kormoc:

Salec, I don't mind 800, others love 2000, and others perfer 4000, and so on and so forth

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Salec:

well i recorded an hour long mpeg2 just now

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Salec:

the file is around 3gigs

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Salec:

don't think i need that high of quality

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thechris:

or if you live at a campus with terrible TV reception, lets call it SIUE, just set everything all the way down since it won't matter

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kormoc:

Salec, so drop it down by half and see if it's acceptable quality

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thechris:

again, wishes of stabbing towards OIT/Telecom

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kormoc:

Salec, and so on and so forth

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AngryElf:

what is mythflix?

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kormoc:

as per the website, it's a way to view your netflix stuff via myth

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AngryElf:

ah, the 5th google link's the charm

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AngryElf:

in other news, when attempting to configure plugins ./configure --enable-mythmusic does not enable mythmusic

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AngryElf:

err, i'm going to bed

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AngryElf:

2 succesful compiles, and installations are good for one day

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laktech:

when i try to watch tv, i get the following error:

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laktech:

Error: Failed to set channel to 0.

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laktech:

2006-03–29 22:30:27.804 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.

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laktech:

Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.

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laktech:

Could not start livetv.

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laktech:

and all i see is a black screen

[06:46:27]

laktech:

any ideas what the problem could be

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laktech:

also, when i do scan channels... am i suppose to get a list of channels that mythtv discovered? cuz i get none

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AngryElf:

laktech, mythtv-setup -> input connections -> there's a default tv channel option, try that

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laktech:

i just got an error that i havnt seen before:

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laktech:

Did you load the ivtv-fb Linux kernel module?

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laktech:

the complete message is

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laktech:

NVP: Disabling Audio, params(16,2,0)

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laktech:

2006-03–29 22:49:10.292 IVD Error: Framebuffer number query failed.

[06:50:11]

laktech:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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laktech:

Did you load the ivtv-fb Linux kernel module?

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laktech:

2006-03–29 22:49:11.410 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

[06:50:18]

laktech:

2006-03–29 22:49:11.587 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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laktech:

my question is, did i load the ivtv-fb whatever that might be?

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laktech:

the front end says unable to initialize video

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laktech:

also now when i do 'cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg', i get a black screen... however, when i first do a modprobe ivtv, i am able to capture the tv guide channel

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laktech:

in other words, once i activate mythtv and want to watch television, cat /dev/video0 > test.mgp produces a blank video.

[06:54:20]

laktech:

i would then have to reload the ivtv module to seet he signal again.

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AngryElf:

ivtv is your capture card driver, do modprove ivtv and see it it works again

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laktech:

okay, i modprobed ivtv.. and the cat test passes

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laktech:

start the backend

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laktech:

i get, unable to initialize video

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AngryElf:

dunno....http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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laktech:

i fixed the ivtv-fb problem by doing a modprobe ivtv-fb

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fatmatt:

hmm, anyone know what I'm missing in my apache config to get mythweb working? error is : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 54

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achew22:

I just upgraded to .19 and now when I watch tv every ~~ 5sec it pauses for 1 sec then plays again? is this a bug?

[08:22:44]

Agrajag-:

no, it's meant to be like that

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dtm:

i like it.

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achew22:

Agrajag- although I appreciate your insitefull response — that was directed as more of a 'is it a bug/config problem'

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achew22:

and it does have the interesting side effect of lose a ratio of 1:5 time wize — so its realy easy to skip commercias because your always behind by a shitload

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achew22:

dtm although I think your response was sarcastic — have you had this isseu or helped anyone fix this propblem?

[08:30:12]

Agrajag-:

is it possibly getting the frame rate wrong?

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Agrajag-:

and playing too fast, therefore catching up to the end of the recording?

[08:30:52]

Agrajag-:

i think i saw a ticket or mailing list thread about that.. not sure if yours is the same problem

[08:31:27]

Agrajag-:

or have you got playback speed faster than 1.0?

[08:31:31]

achew22:

no

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achew22:

playback speed is 1.0

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achew22:

I think it may be a permission error

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Agrajag-:

sounds like a weird conclusion to come to given the problem, what makes you think that?

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achew22:

the output said cannot access file

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achew22:

not exactly that — but similar sounding

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Agrajag-:

well it sounds like it's catching up to the end of the recording

[08:33:19]

achew22:

but I gave the file 666 (which is much fun to do) and it didn't fix it

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achew22:

why does it do it on recordings then?

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Agrajag-:

because it's getting the framerate wrong?

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achew22:

okay, where do I check the framerate?

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Agrajag-:

no idea. check the mailing list, i vaguely remember someone else having the same problem in the last day or so

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achew22:

okay — explain to me why if the framerate were wrong it would cause it to pause then play again? wouldn't it just play the file .2x faster?

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Agrajag-:

oh ok i didn't read your line saying it's happening on recordings.. i thought you meant live tv

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Agrajag-:

hmm no idea then

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achew22:

thanks

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haj:

any reason not to record in full PAL and a 10mbit+ bitrate when doing auto-transcoding?

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haj:

and what bitrate would be nice for mpeg4 @ 720x576 ?

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Hoxzeri:

Hi guys

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Hoxzeri:

Does someones tv provides use dynamic dvb subs?

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Hoxzeri:

*provider

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Hoxzeri:

No! My batteries are running out

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achew22:

how do you mount a busy drive?

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laktech:

hello... i am getting really close to setting up my pvr machine...

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achew22:

yay!

[09:05:36]

laktech:

one issue i am having at the moment is that i dont see the tv on my computer monitor

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achew22:

what do you need?

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laktech:

the frontend application says...

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:03:20.280 Using the PVR-350 decoder/TV-out

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achew22:

what distro?

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laktech:

does that mean that is where my video output is going?

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laktech:

fc4

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achew22:

are you using pvr-350s tv out?

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laktech:

not at the moment

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laktech:

right now i would like to just view it on my computer

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

go to watch tv...

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laktech:

watch tv just gives me a blank screen

[09:07:47]

achew22:

thats strange

[09:07:54]

achew22:

do you have logging enabled on your mythbackend?

[09:08:08]

laktech:

maybe?? hehe.

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achew22:

its cool if you don't — I don't even have it running... but if you open a new console window

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achew22:

type: "pkill mythbackend"

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Juski:

morning

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achew22:

greetings Juski

[09:08:40]

achew22:

how are you?

[09:08:49]

Juski:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop would be better, surely

[09:08:49]

achew22:

that will kill myth

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laktech:

done

[09:08:56]

achew22:

thats longer

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Juski:

and cleaner

[09:09:15]

laktech:

i dont even have that script.

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laktech:

anyway, i did the pkill

[09:09:31]

Juski:

no init script for mythbackend? huh?!

[09:09:31]

achew22:

you don't have that script?

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achew22:

what?

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laktech:

[kowalczm@localhost ~]$ /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

[09:09:38]

laktech:

bash: /etc/init.d/mythbackend: No such file or directory

[09:09:51]

achew22:

for me it was /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

[09:09:55]

Juski:

there are lots of init scripts for various distros in the contrib directory

[09:09:58]

Juski:

ahhh

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achew22:

did I get it?

[09:10:13]

laktech:

no, i have nothing myth related in there

[09:10:17]

achew22:

right...

[09:10:30]

achew22:

"ls /etc/init.d | grep backend"

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laktech:

blank

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achew22:

holy crap!

[09:10:46]

achew22:

thats wacky

[09:11:05]

laktech:

its okay...

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jasperbg:

achew22: on gentoo it is /etc/init.d/mythbackend

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jasperbg:

no -

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achew22:

Juski whats the switch for logging

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achew22:

jaspergb I used to use ubuntu

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Juski:

if you've built mythtv yourself you're sort of expected to make your own, or try the ones provided in the contrib directory

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jasperbg:

achew22: :|

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achew22:

i know... i'm a reformist

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Juski:

mythbackend --log <option>

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laktech:

juski: i will worry about the init scripts later... i want to just watch tv.

[09:11:44]

achew22:

okay sorry...

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jasperbg:

achew22: i use ubuntu at work, not too bad

[09:12:00]

Juski:

if you just want to watch tv, why use mythtv at all? ;-)

[09:12:09]

achew22:

its not bad — but kormoc tricked me into using gentoo...

[09:12:16]

laktech:

lol

[09:12:17]

achew22:

yeah — why not use a tv?

[09:12:27]

achew22:

you said you got one ;)

[09:12:32]

achew22:

okay

[09:12:43]

laktech:

so run the mythbackend with --log flag?

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achew22:

mythbackend --log ~/mythbackend.log

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achew22:

is it running?

[09:13:22]

laktech:

yea

[09:13:32]

laktech:

running housekeeping

[09:13:40]

achew22:

has it returned focus to you so you can type again?

[09:13:52]

laktech:

yeah i can type again

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achew22:

tail ~/mythbackend.log

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:10.738 mythbackend version: 0.19.20060121–2 www.mythtv.org

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:10.743 Enabled verbose msgs: important general

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:10.748 AutoExpire: Found 1 recorders w/max rate of 72 MiB/min

[09:14:09]

laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:10.752 AutoExpire: Required Free Space: 2.1 GB w/freq: 10 min

[09:14:09]

laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:12.738 Reschedule requested for id -1.

[09:14:09]

laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:12.831 Scheduled 0 items in 0.1 = 0.09 match + 0.01 place

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:12.840 Seem to be woken up by USER

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:13:20.530 Running HouseKeeping

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laktech:

there is probably more...

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achew22:

wow... don't pipe to here

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laktech:

sorry, ill use pastebin next time

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achew22:

sorry — i forgot the -f switch on the tail command

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laktech:

okay, i got it with the f switch now

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achew22:

nothing came up right? or it did the same thing but didn't give you the ability to type again?

[09:15:25]

laktech:

you got it

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achew22:

thats what we want

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achew22:

okay now run mythfrontend

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achew22:

then go to watch tv

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laktech:

okay so i get that blank screen...

[09:16:01]

achew22:

yeah

[09:16:05]

achew22:

we want to see what is happening

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laktech:

the backend log shov...

[09:16:25]

achew22:

it shov what... the suspense is killing me!

[09:16:25]

laktech:

http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=630433

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laktech:

front end is doing a bunch of rebuffering

[09:17:00]

achew22:

okay

[09:17:08]

achew22:

cool

[09:17:11]

achew22:

thats good actualy

[09:17:15]

laktech:

i hope

[09:17:22]

achew22:

that means it isn't an issue with the card or anything... the backend is cool

[09:17:27]

laktech:

yeah..

[09:17:35]

laktech:

it records fine

[09:17:42]

achew22:

ohh thats exelent!

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eiggirC:

Myth has introduced me to a whole world of utterly crap shlock TV that is on between midnight and 6 am

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eiggirC:

I LOVE IT

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dtm:

:-o

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achew22:

i completely agree

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laktech:

in the frontend, the log says

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:15:49.205 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(16,2,0)

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:15:49.333 Using the PVR-350 decoder/TV-out

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laktech:

2006-03–30 01:15:49.685 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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achew22:

i wonder if my kernel recompile is working

[09:19:25]

laktech:

does that have anything to do with me not seeing anything?

[09:19:44]

achew22:

if you pretend really hard....

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laktech:

i am just asking cuz i dont want to research a dead end

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achew22:

you want a dead end.... try putting usb audio stuff in your computer

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achew22:

all I can say is wow

[09:21:12]

achew22:

i'm on recompile 3 of my kernel

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achew22:

is that all its saying in the log file for mythfrontend when you go to watch tv?

[09:21:59]

laktech:

yeah...

[09:22:08]

achew22:

holy crap thats not usefull at all

[09:22:15]

laktech:

id have to agree

[09:22:27]

achew22:

plug it into a tv and see if the output comes out to the tv

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achew22:

thats all I have to say

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achew22:

wouldn't it be funny if thats what it was doing....

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achew22:

chuckle

[09:23:02]

laktech:

is it suppose to not do that?

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achew22:

duno — I don't have one... but I know thats one of its features

[09:23:22]

achew22:

does the black screen end after 10 sec

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laktech:

lol no

[09:23:27]

achew22:

or will it keep going for a long time

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laktech:

constant blackness

[09:23:39]

achew22:

plug it into a tv

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achew22:

i think thats what its doing

[09:23:49]

achew22:

thats a VERY interesting feature

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achew22:

thats the fucking decoder for ya'

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laktech:

it makes sense, the card has a s-video out

[09:24:18]

laktech:

but its not what i want

[09:24:19]

achew22:

its a decoder card thats what its currently featuring

[09:24:24]

achew22:

you will want it eventualy

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Juski:

uhh.. another pvr350 issue. why does anyone bother?

[09:24:42]

achew22:

he didn't know any better

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laktech:

i can return it

[09:24:53]

laktech:

i mean, it sounded neat

[09:25:19]

Juski:

if your cpu is >500Mhz you don't need the onboard mpeg2 decoder

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achew22:

see if you can fix it if not go get a 250 or a 150 both of which are sexier and will drop into your box like me into jlo

[09:25:36]

achew22:

ohh wait — bad analogy

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Juski:

and if you ever wanna play stuff that's not mpeg2 it won't be of any use anyway

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achew22:

no

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achew22:

its 2:25am lets see if we can fix it even though tis a lost cause

[09:26:35]

laktech:

damn

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achew22:

can mythtv be outputed over the 350 thing

[09:26:39]

laktech:

i think i may have found my problem...

[09:26:41]

achew22:

am I right!

[09:26:46]

achew22:

what?

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laktech:

PVR350 users not using the PVR350's tv-out, add these lines to /etc/modules.conf

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laktech:

alias char-major-81 videodev

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laktech:

alias char-major-81–0 ivtv

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laktech:

options tuner type=2

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laktech:

options msp3400 once=1 simple=1

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laktech:

add below ivtv msp3400 saa7115 tuner

[09:27:04]

achew22:

i'm going to beat you with a stick

[09:27:09]

** achew22 gets his stick ready **

[09:27:34]

achew22:

return it and get 2 150s or 160s

[09:27:47]

laktech:

it was only 160 dollars

[09:27:54]

Juski:

160s? wtf?

[09:27:56]

achew22:

cool — get 3 in that case

[09:28:05]

laktech:

yeah guess they fell in price

[09:28:06]

achew22:

3.2 actualy

[09:28:17]

laktech:

i have one other question

[09:28:22]

achew22:

no

[09:28:25]

laktech:

how can i load the ivtv-fb module at boot time?

[09:28:29]

achew22:

go buy yourself 3.2 150s

[09:28:33]

achew22:

why would you do that

[09:28:34]

achew22:

just use X

[09:28:36]

achew22:

its easier

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laktech:

i have to modprobe it each time i start my machine

[09:28:48]

Juski:

achew22: I don't think you're helping

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achew22:

fine

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Juski:

laktech... there should be instructions on an ivtv howto for the distro you use

[09:29:10]

achew22:

add the command u do to /etc/conf.d/local.start at the bottom with a & after it

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achew22:

so if the command is "modprobe ivtv-fb" then it would be "modprobe ivtv-fb &" save the file and reboot

[09:29:36]

Juski:

some distros have different ways to autoload modules at boottime

[09:29:44]

laktech:

i see...

[09:29:50]

achew22:

I have done that on gentoo, ubuntu and mandrake

[09:29:57]

achew22:

if that doesn't work in fedora they are stupid

[09:30:16]

Juski:

e.g. in gentoo you'd add the line ivtv-fb to /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 (or kernel-2.4)

[09:30:31]

achew22:

he is on fedora

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achew22:

check /etc/modprobe.conf

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Juski:

fedora? so follow Jarod Wilson's guide already

[09:31:13]

achew22:

"justki I don't think your helping"

[09:31:27]

Juski:

jarod's guide has all these answers and more

[09:31:30]

achew22:

yep

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achew22:

laktech check /etc/modprobe.conf please

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Juski:

for the user who can be arsed to look, it's all there in black & white

[09:32:16]

achew22:

what is arsed?

[09:32:29]

achew22:

I haven't ever head someone say that before

[09:33:22]

Juski:

british slang for 'bothered'

[09:33:58]

Juski:

arse == ass

[09:34:01]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[09:34:03]

SlicerDicer-:

arsed

[09:34:05]

SlicerDicer-:

I love that word

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achew22:

that brought people out of the woodwork

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hashbang:

SlicerDicer: next week: 'bollocks'

[09:34:41]

SlicerDicer-:

least its not "bloody bloody bloody bloody fuckin bloody bloody bloody thing bloody hell bloody!"

[09:34:59]

SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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laktech:

ima check my settings, ill be right back

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Juski:

we need to start a campaign to stop the sale of PVR350 cards :-P

[09:35:35]

SlicerDicer-:

why?

[09:35:39]

SlicerDicer-:

I love mine

[09:35:55]

Juski:

make people use reasonable CPU etc...

[09:35:55]

achew22:

silence the infadel!

[09:36:03]

** achew22 whips out machetti **

[09:36:14]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: errrm I use a 3500+ AMD on my backend/frontend

[09:36:22]

SlicerDicer-:

with 2gb of ram heh

[09:36:27]

achew22:

wow....

[09:36:28]

achew22:

just wow

[09:36:28]

SlicerDicer-:

not lacking by any means

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Juski:

so wtf did you buy a pvr350 for? it's not like you need the help decoding :-)

[09:36:45]

Juski:

(just curious)

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SlicerDicer-:

errrm at the time it was a slower cpu :)

[09:36:51]

achew22:

damnit laktech left!

[09:36:57]

Juski:

I'll let you off then ;-)

[09:37:05]

SlicerDicer-:

achew22: hes testing something will be right back

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achew22:

ohh

[09:37:12]

achew22:

you get a pardon ;)

[09:37:33]

achew22:

is hdtv mpeg2?

[09:37:35]

Juski:

seriously though – the CPU thing is the only argument _for_ the 350 now

[09:37:42]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: at the time it was worthwhile to get the PVR350 but that time is quickly passing

[09:37:44]

Juski:

achew22: ATSC HD is mpeg2, yes

[09:37:50]

achew22:

hrm...

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SlicerDicer-:

Juski: consdering I use a 4800SE for tv out haha

[09:38:09]

achew22:

so when people get files off of bittorrent that are .avi and are HD those have been converted?

[09:38:23]

Juski:

mpeg4 HDTV is coming to Europe & Japan.. maybe even the USA too

[09:38:28]

achew22:

cool

[09:38:30]

Juski:

h.264 HDTV :-P

[09:38:40]

achew22:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

achew22: yeah typical HDTV for say a 1 hour program for me is 7.7gb I guess roughly

[09:39:01]

Juski:

no – not cool. mpeg2 HD is hard on fast CPUs, so mpeg4 HD... ouch

[09:39:02]

achew22:

so its compressed and converted

[09:39:19]

achew22:

Juski its okay — they will make encoder chips

[09:39:28]

Juski:

I can play mpeg2 HD on my athlon 2800, but I get about 1fps with h.264 HD

[09:39:31]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: my 3500+ AMD nearly barfs sometimes with mpeg2hd

[09:39:53]

SlicerDicer-:

very touchy and my mac 2.1ghz hickups like crazy

[09:39:54]

achew22:

is there any way to get ypbpr out on a computer?

[09:40:03]

Juski:

eh? I was playing a 1080i stream last weekend on my 2800 windows box..

[09:40:24]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: dual displays dont help my situation as well as all the bullshit I run haha

[09:40:39]

achew22:

yeah... i was playing a 8640p on my p2 the other day — quit your whining....

[09:41:11]

achew22:

get a real computer... 450mhz all the way

[09:41:20]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: I found the xvmc works pretty fast though on mine its quite nice

[09:41:43]

Juski:

my little 1Ghz box was playing a 720p mpeg4 last night.. dunno how though – was amazed it worked

[09:42:22]

Juski:

maybe the bitrate was low enough for it to deal with

[09:42:32]

Juski:

that's the only reason I can think of

[09:42:42]

SlicerDicer-:

mpeg4 is harsh

[09:42:54]

SlicerDicer-:

well when done wrong anwyay :)

[09:43:11]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean my mac cannot play the stupid apple trailers and its a fricken 2.1ghz G5

[09:43:24]

** SlicerDicer- throws a chair like steve ballmer!! **

[09:43:39]

SlicerDicer-:

dunno I have video problems on some of my systems

[09:43:41]

dtm:

SlicerDicer-: why can't it

[09:43:45]

SlicerDicer-:

hell if I know

[09:43:48]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[09:43:51]

dtm:

oic

[09:44:01]

SlicerDicer-:

more than likely cause I screwed something up

[09:44:03]

achew22:

will you guys help me with a mythweb issue?

[09:44:50]

SlicerDicer-:

dtm: I think I try to hard to make too much shit work and end up breaking everything real good but learning in the process :)

[09:44:59]

dtm:

oh. ok.

[09:46:03]

SlicerDicer-:

I am still trying to figure out why my firewire connect to mythtv sometimes cuts out voice but leaves all ambient noise like guns clicking and banging

[09:46:10]

achew22:

when I go visit my mythweb page in .19 I get The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

[09:46:10]

achew22:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

[09:46:10]

achew22:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

[09:47:22]

achew22:

ohh shit.... what the crap is that!

[09:47:41]

Juski:

oh FFS

[09:47:56]

SlicerDicer-:

holy shit!!!

[09:47:59]

** Juski goes to sleep **

[09:48:07]

SlicerDicer-:

heh gnite Juski

[09:48:23]

Juski:

The database environment variables are not correctly set

[09:48:27]

Juski:

The database environment variables are not correctly set

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Juski:

get the picture?

[09:48:37]

dtm:

:-o

[09:48:41]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[09:48:41]

achew22:

no

[09:48:45]

achew22:

they are

[09:48:50]

achew22:

i connect as user mythtv p mythtv

[09:48:53]

achew22:

they are identical

[09:48:59]

Juski:

it's wiki time, then

[09:49:00]

achew22:

i log into phpmyadmin and it gives me a #1251 – Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client

[09:49:13]

achew22:

but when I commandline connect it doesn't give me that

[09:49:19]

achew22:

do I have to upgrade php somehow?

[09:49:24]

achew22:

does it not have mysql support?

[09:49:31]

Juski:

have you left mysql bound to localhost?

[09:49:44]

achew22:

no — i changed it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

[09:49:50]

achew22:

commented that out

[09:49:54]

Juski:

ok...

[09:50:04]

Juski:

so does your php have mysql support?

[09:50:14]

achew22:

is there a way to check — I think it does?

[09:50:29]

achew22:

its in my make.conf file, but I might have set that after I emerged php

[09:50:38]

Juski:

gentoo eh?

[09:50:44]

achew22:

yep...

[09:51:10]

Juski:

if MYSQL is in your USE lineup, and was when you emerged php & apache2.. then yeh you should have support

[09:51:12]

achew22:

whatever — i'm going ot reemerge them

[09:51:43]

Juski:

you need mod_rewrite & something else loaded too... make sure they are (check the wiki)

[09:51:56]

achew22:

mod_env is in my thing

[09:52:14]

achew22:

httpd.conf == thing

[09:52:43]

pjn:

you can check what is loaded by using <?php phpinfo(); ?> in a file called phpinfo.php

[09:52:52]

pjn:

and load that up in your web browser

[09:53:43]

achew22:

'--with-mysql=/usr/lib/mysql' '--with-mysql-sock=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'

[09:53:46]

achew22:

damn...

[09:54:45]

achew22:

pjn are you good with php?

[09:54:50]

achew22:

can you help me?

[09:57:13]

Juski:

here's the result of pjn's suggestion on my (working) system: http://pastebin.com/630473

[09:58:52]

eiggirC:

want a giggle?

[09:59:01]

eiggirC:

the local satellite TV provider is having.... issues

[09:59:03]

eiggirC:

so

[09:59:14]

eiggirC:

in the spirit of internet fuckarow...

[09:59:16]

eiggirC:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=52360702

[10:01:39]

achew22:

Juski are you running gentoo?

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achew22:

damnit... this file sucks libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0

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Juski:

been running gentoo for about 18 months now

[10:14:41]

phar0e:

that explains a lot

[10:15:06]

Juski:

when I installed 0.19 it was an upgrade... ended up having to delete the mythweb root & re-emerge mythweb

[10:16:47]

Juski:

btw I'm not running the 'proper' apache2.. this is 'gentoo apache2' – with the non-standard config method

[10:17:01]

phar0e:

lol

[10:17:07]

phar0e:

you mean the ultrafast version of apache2?

[10:17:19]

Juski:

riced apache2

[10:17:22]

phar0e:

optimized specifically for your CPU's serial number model,etc.etc?

[10:17:59]

Juski:

whatever. leave your anti-gentoo rhetoric at the door ;-)

[10:18:00]

phar0e:

lighttpd is pretty solid

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pjn:

achew22: I don't know php at all, I just have wondered what my apache & php environment was before and have looked up the solution previously

[10:27:03]

achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

okay — time for bed... I set all 17 alarms

[10:28:40]

phar0e:

anyone else notice that since SlicerDicer- got skin-a-max in HD over firewire he's been MIA?

[10:29:02]

achew22:

SlicerDicer you here?

[10:29:12]

achew22:

he commented on how stupid I was eariler so I know he is round

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achew22:

phar0e speak of the devil...

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phar0e:

haha

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achew22:

how did he get that vhost...

[10:32:26]

achew22:

I bought weed from one of my teachers on monday....

[10:32:34]

phar0e:

a current teacher?

[10:32:37]

achew22:

ex

[10:32:41]

achew22:

it was very strnage

[10:32:44]

achew22:

strange*

[10:32:48]

phar0e:

what part of the world are you at?

[10:32:57]

achew22:

the illegal part

[10:33:11]

phar0e:

you're in colorado, that's legal

[10:33:16]

achew22:

no it isn't

[10:33:19]

achew22:

i'm not in denver

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phar0e:

sure it is, close enough

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achew22:

if I get busted in denver then its cool

[10:33:41]

achew22:

also federal law overrides local law

[10:33:51]

phar0e:

well still

[10:34:02]

achew22:

the guy I normaly buy from was like call this number and he will hook u up

[10:34:13]

phar0e:

and it was your teacher!

[10:34:17]

achew22:

so we arranged a meeting place....

[10:34:23]

achew22:

and I got in the car with the guy and it was my teacher

[10:34:26]

achew22:

it was so fucking crazy

[10:34:48]

phar0e:

too bad it wasn't a hot ex female teacher of yours

[10:34:56]

phar0e:

then it really would've been a good story

[10:34:59]

achew22:

yeah... he is a shaggy ex-hippie

[10:35:06]

achew22:

he was my teacher last year though

[10:35:21]

phar0e:

I doubt you were his first student he sold to

[10:35:30]

achew22:

probably....

[10:35:41]

phar0e:

does he use mythtv or no?

[10:35:49]

achew22:

no... he isn't smart enough for computers

[10:35:54]

phar0e:

you don't know that

[10:35:57]

achew22:

he tought a class on leading people

[10:36:04]

phar0e:

computers don't require smarts, only patience

[10:36:09]

achew22:

ha ha

[10:36:18]

achew22:

he doesn't strike me as a computer guy...

[10:36:28]

achew22:

he asked me a lot of questions when I was in his class

[10:36:32]

phar0e:

you dont strike me as a pothead

[10:36:40]

achew22:

I don't smoke that often

[10:37:02]

achew22:

1 more reason that he couldn't be a mythtvuser is that I bought an eighth and he gave me a quad

[10:37:23]

phar0e:

maybe that was to keep you from telling the school he works for

[10:37:34]

achew22:

hey... good pint

[10:37:38]

achew22:

point

[10:37:53]

phar0e:

is it cold there?

[10:37:59]

achew22:

hardly

[10:38:15]

achew22:

its going to be 63 degrees on friday

[10:38:24]

phar0e:

will you go outside on friday?

[10:38:28]

achew22:

nope

[10:38:36]

phar0e:

aside from legal drug purchases

[10:38:42]

achew22:

ha ha ha

[10:38:43]

achew22:

no

[10:38:50]

achew22:

my gf is coming over for one reason... and the other is that the sun hurts me... i deal only at night

[10:39:01]

phar0e:

how does the sun hurt you?

[10:39:05]

phar0e:

are you a vampire?

[10:39:11]

achew22:

no — i'm a nerd

[10:39:15]

phar0e:

is your gf?

[10:39:23]

achew22:

no she is an airhead

[10:39:26]

phar0e:

haha

[10:39:32]

phar0e:

makes sense

[10:39:38]

achew22:

polar opposites

[10:39:59]

phar0e:

but an airhead is sometimes synonymous with pothead

[10:40:01]

phar0e:

so that doesn't make sense

[10:40:09]

achew22:

shutup bout me being a pothead

[10:40:17]

achew22:

other than monday night — hadn't smoked in 2 montsh

[10:40:27]

phar0e:

I wasn't talking about you!

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achew22:

ahh

[10:40:32]

achew22:

she doesn't smoke

[10:40:43]

phar0e:

but it would make sense if she did, that's all I'm saying

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achew22:

her mother was a drug guidance councelor and her dad was high and drove off the road into a lake and drownd

[10:41:11]

phar0e:

now it would make sense that she didn't do durgs

[10:41:13]

phar0e:

drugs*

[10:41:13]

achew22:

she is decidedly anti pot

[10:41:43]

achew22:

I get away with it because he ex boyfriend was a hardcore drug addict

[10:41:55]

phar0e:

let's talk about mythtv, you're scaring me

[10:42:04]

phar0e:

what tv shows do you watch? I WATCH `24`

[10:42:30]

achew22:

I watch colber report

[10:42:38]

achew22:

lets trade mpegs

[10:42:40]

phar0e:

he's witty

[10:42:48]

achew22:

indeed he is

[10:42:54]

achew22:

and he is very republican

[10:42:58]

phar0e:

but for all I know it's all scripted, because it's on television

[10:43:08]

achew22:

its scripted all but the interviews

[10:43:14]

achew22:

he has 3 writers

[10:43:17]

phar0e:

republicans are usually smarter than democrats, right?

[10:43:39]

achew22:

no... democrats usualy just have foggy vision from their extrapolitical activities

[10:43:55]

achew22:

vision == thinking power

[10:43:59]

phar0e:

do you watch the daily show?

[10:44:05]

achew22:

of course

[10:44:10]

achew22:

i think colber is better though

[10:44:11]

phar0e:

I record that nightly

[10:44:17]

achew22:

but they pretty much alternate

[10:44:37]

phar0e:

I like stewert's sense of humour better

[10:44:46]

achew22:

I am trying to setup my 2xpvr150 setup to record something in every time slot so that I will always be able to watch 2x as much telivision is normaly possible in 1 day

[10:44:54]

phar0e:

it's more potty humour, not something I'd have to read a book about to understand

[10:45:06]

achew22:

I do a lot of reading though...

[10:45:21]

phar0e:

don't watch bad tv like MTV room raiders

[10:45:30]

achew22:

I don't — its shitty

[10:45:49]

phar0e:

there isn't enough good tv to fill a day

[10:46:15]

achew22:

no — you misread that.. I want to fill 2 days per every day that passes

[10:46:18]

bio__:

after adding ´recordings to the playlist, how do i start playback? if i made my playlist, choose a recording and say play, it doesnt play the playlist

[10:47:10]

achew22:

you know what the worst decision I made was.... compiling kde-meta

[10:47:32]

phar0e:

kde and gnome are pointless if you ask me

[10:48:11]

phar0e:

bio__: don't know, never played with playlists

[10:48:33]

achew22:

i'm trying to make my father able to use this.... he dislikes mythbrowser

[10:48:59]

achew22:

funny thing is that my computer has been compiling for 1.25 days and is only 60% done....

[10:49:01]

phar0e:

does your gf like mythtv?

[10:49:14]

phar0e:

how can you tell a compile is 60% done?

[10:49:18]

achew22:

duno... I show it to her tomorrow

[10:49:26]

achew22:

its doing 300 things and its done with 200

[10:49:41]

achew22:

well... little under 200

[10:50:30]

achew22:

phar0e I did the math right?

[10:50:34]

achew22:

didn't I?

[10:50:37]

phar0e:

if you say so

[10:50:52]

phar0e:

kde is too bloated to compile from source

[10:51:08]

achew22:

I don't know any other way to get it on gentoo

[10:51:35]

phar0e:

well first step is removing gentoo, second step is installing something besides gentoo

[10:51:43]

phar0e:

that isn't fedora core or ubuntu either

[10:51:50]

achew22:

what would kormoc think?

[10:52:12]

achew22:

also — with 20+ manhours into this thing now and the only thing not working being alsa for playback I'm not quitting

[10:53:15]

achew22:

phar0e in the winter though colorado is very cold... its gotten so bad that I've started growing fur....

[10:53:42]

phar0e:

mythtv is the most important thing there is

[10:53:56]

achew22:

you, my friend have an obsession

[10:54:20]

phar0e:

how cool am I though? my conan o'brien recording from last night was 468KB, beat that.

[10:54:28]

phar0e:

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH I blame timewarner.

[10:54:37]

achew22:

i had a recording that was negative... na na na na na na

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Juski:

reboot time... can't connect with the exchange server...

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achew22:

what exchange server?

[10:55:16]

phar0e:

foreign exchange server, he's foreign

[10:55:23]

achew22:

ohh...

[10:55:25]

phar0e:

from the united kingdoms or some place

[10:55:35]

achew22:

he is a dirty frog

[10:56:14]

achew22:

no... no... not a clean one... a dirty one

[10:56:35]

achew22:

so on your conan obrian recording, was any content stored?

[10:57:03]

phar0e:

a few seconds

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achew22:

strange, what made it quit?

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phar0e:

dunno, flaky firewire

[10:59:35]

achew22:

you use firewire?

[10:59:48]

achew22:

what format does firewire come as?

[10:59:48]

phar0e:

I hope it doesnt screw up tomorrow night for THE O.C. , would hate to miss that

[10:59:55]

phar0e:

mpeg2-ts

[11:00:03]

achew22:

ts... telesync?

[11:00:12]

phar0e:

not sure

[11:00:40]

phar0e:

like a dvd mpeg stream comes in ts I think, well maybe who knows

[11:00:50]

achew22:

ts in pirate land stands for telesync

[11:01:03]

phar0e:

yes I'm fully aware of pirate land but I have no experience with butt pirate land

[11:01:21]

achew22:

yar!

[11:02:04]

achew22:

phar0e if you want to get weird looks, ( if your really a pirate you wont mind ) next time your giving someone a ride in your car, when you turn it on, yell "Yar! Were off like a prom dress"

[11:02:14]

achew22:

then go

[11:02:24]

phar0e:

that's pretty clever

[11:02:37]

phar0e:

I'm only 14, I don't have my license yet

[11:02:43]

achew22:

your talking to a pothead... er democrat... same thing

[11:02:49]

achew22:

meh i'm 16 so...

[11:03:14]

phar0e:

how old is your gf?

[11:03:17]

achew22:

15

[11:03:31]

achew22:

we have 14–16 stated in the previous 10 lines of text

[11:03:33]

phar0e:

wow, she's had quite the experienced ex boyfriends

[11:03:43]

achew22:

meh she has had 2

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achew22:

1 was way out there crazy... next was druggy and then me

[11:04:02]

phar0e:

3rd time is a charm

[11:04:04]

achew22:

the crazy druggy

[11:04:09]

achew22:

?

[11:04:12]

phar0e:

no

[11:04:16]

phar0e:

the nerd

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achew22:

ohhh

[11:04:38]

achew22:

where r u from phar0e, are you in colorado? how did you know about the denver pot law?

[11:04:47]

phar0e:

whois me!

[11:04:54]

achew22:

that takes effort

[11:05:05]

achew22:

where the fuck is social.res.rr.com

[11:05:06]

phar0e:

orange county

[11:05:13]

achew22:

wait i got it

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phar0e:

it says socal not social

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achew22:

66.74.238.42 US United States CA California Orange 33.8031 -117.8289 Roadrunner Road Runner 803 714

[11:06:37]

phar0e:

a whois website took much more effort then irc /whois

[11:06:49]

achew22:

no — thats geoip

[11:06:54]

achew22:

Hostname Country Code Country Name Region Region Name City Postal Code Latitude Longitude ISP Organization Metro Code Area Code

[11:06:58]

phar0e:

do you know what extremearmy is?

[11:07:03]

achew22:

geoip == find the ~location of any ip

[11:07:19]

achew22:

since I didn't know where .socal.res.rr.com was that was a good way to go

[11:07:35]

phar0e:

that's like me saying i don't know where .co.comcast is... what's co?!?!

[11:07:47]

achew22:

rr isn't a state

[11:07:54]

achew22:

socal isn't a state

[11:08:07]

phar0e:

socal nocal , almost seperated

[11:08:30]

phar0e:

sc would be south carolina or i'm sure they would've used that

[11:08:57]

achew22:

this got me orange county as your location... so you loose :D

[11:09:01]

achew22:

thats such a stuipd thing to say

[11:09:02]

achew22:

and I'm sorry

[11:09:43]

phar0e:

let's talk about how much disk space you have

[11:09:53]

achew22:

really? i love thatr

[11:10:13]

achew22:

I have 200gb downstairs 400gb here, 300gb in the next room and then I have 1.5tb on the server how much is that?

[11:10:20]

phar0e:

!!1 !

[11:10:21]

phar0e:

a lot

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phar0e:

someone has been in pirateland for quite some time now

[11:10:35]

achew22:

200+400+300+1500= 9+15== 2.4tb

[11:10:53]

achew22:

yeah... 120gb of music will do that to you

[11:11:16]

phar0e:

my tummy hurts from the dinner I ate, argh

[11:11:30]

achew22:

i'm an old school pirate... I send my music out to poboxes on 35 dvds...

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phar0e:

yar, we're off like a prom night

[11:12:08]

achew22:

get it right... were off like a prom dress

[11:12:15]

phar0e:

i'm going to have to practice

[11:12:26]

achew22:

delivery is important on a line like that

[11:12:37]

phar0e:

what grade does that hippy teacher teach?

[11:12:48]

achew22:

gym

[11:12:54]

achew22:

we don't have grade levels on gym at my school

[11:13:09]

phar0e:

he doesn't teach gym

[11:13:20]

achew22:

yeah he does

[11:13:38]

achew22:

he is our "adventure" leader... which means he teaches the rock climbing class

[11:13:56]

achew22:

and leadership training class....

[11:14:03]

achew22:

both == gym credit so bueno

[11:14:05]

phar0e:

brb grabbing a 7up from the Break room

[11:14:13]

achew22:

you have a break room in your house?

[11:17:51]

achew22:

damn dude your house is HUGE!

[11:17:56]

achew22:

or your fat...

[11:18:03]

achew22:

or handicaped

[11:18:06]

achew22:

or dead!

[11:18:11]

achew22:

ohh my god he's dead!

[11:18:16]

dtm:

:-o

[11:18:27]

** achew22 panics and runs away for fear of being blamed **

[11:19:24]

achew22:

dtm, what are the minimum system req. for a box thats getting firewire in?

[11:19:42]

dtm:

firewire video?

[11:19:49]

achew22:

yeah

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achew22:

from a cable box

[11:19:56]

dtm:

plenty of filesystem space.

[11:20:00]

achew22:

well...

[11:20:04]

achew22:

of course

[11:20:16]

dtm:

were you thinking of a query that isn't totally meaningless?

[11:20:21]

dtm:

or...

[11:20:39]

achew22:

no, I want to build a box for my neibor and I gotta know how shitty the mobo/cpu needs to be

[11:21:28]

achew22:

how is tha meaningless?

[11:21:39]

dtm:

you haven't stated any criteria whatsoever

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achew22:

ohh

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dtm:

no application, usage case, etc

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achew22:

mythtv only

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dtm:

what do YOU think it'd mean?

[11:22:02]

dtm:

pffft.

[11:22:03]

achew22:

didn't actuayl know — thats why I aske

[11:22:09]

achew22:

maybe apache

[11:22:16]

achew22:

;)

[11:22:17]

dtm:

so you're asking how to determine the specs?

[11:22:19]

dtm:

or what

[11:22:27]

achew22:

no, are there posted specs for that?

[11:22:36]

dtm:

for what?!

[11:23:12]

achew22:

a box that runs ubuntu (or something) and does its video input through firewire as opposed to a pvr150/250/500

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dtm:

for viewing, transcoding, storing, how many tuners, hardware or software encoding, what?

[11:23:24]

achew22:

viewing and recording from firewire

[11:23:31]

achew22:

1 cable box so 1 tuner

[11:23:32]

dtm:

from one firewire?

[11:23:35]

dtm:

ok

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dtm:

do you know the specs on the stream? is it DV (720x480) or HD?

[11:24:22]

achew22:

dv

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dtm:

ok i think almost anything < 5 years old will do that. pentium 3.

[11:25:21]

dtm:

i'd say probably 800 MHz and up

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achew22:

really? that little?

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dtm:

that's not little.

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achew22:

I have a 800mhz box in my closet...

[11:26:15]

achew22:

i think...

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phar0e:

my system uses 1–3% CPU to record an HDTV from firewire

[11:26:29]

achew22:

do you recompress?

[11:26:33]

phar0e:

no

[11:26:38]

achew22:

hrm...

[11:26:43]

phar0e:

I like HDTV

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achew22:

so I could have a 55mhz computer and do it on that

[11:26:57]

phar0e:

you can see the details of marissa cooper's ribs in high-def

[11:27:02]

dtm:

sure, if it had a set of DSPs for decoding

[11:27:09]

dtm:

if it was an Amiga, you'd be all set

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achew22:

lol

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dtm:

with a box the size of the computer sitting next to it.

[11:28:18]

achew22:

that would be a sweet setup

[11:28:22]

achew22:

you should do that dtm...

[11:28:39]

phar0e:

does anyone else here have the problem I do where you dont want hardware going to waste so you keep building shitty computer with excuses of things to use them for?

[11:28:54]

dtm:

phar0e: did ya give up on trying to spell "pharaoh"?

[11:29:13]

pjn:

I've got two shitty computers sitting one of the spare rooms here

[11:29:18]

dtm:

phar0e: no i take them to the United Way so that needy people can use them.

[11:29:26]

phar0e:

?! this name was cool back 8 years ago when I used it for gaming

[11:29:33]

phar0e:

and I was a youngin so I thought it was elite

[11:29:33]

pjn:

can't think of anything to use them for since I aggregated all my services on the same machine

[11:29:35]

dtm:

and i donate them to local teens

[11:29:41]

achew22:

you were gaming when you were 6..... phar0e

[11:29:52]

pjn:

actually, make that three

[11:29:54]

phar0e:

yeah yeah achew22 you "caught" me in a lie before I caught you in one

[11:29:58]

phar0e:

but I know he wasn't your gym teacher

[11:30:01]

dtm:

phar0e: yeah it's phairly 31337

[11:30:02]

achew22:

he was

[11:30:24]

phar0e:

come on, dont give me such a rough time about my choice of nickname on the internet

[11:30:38]

phar0e:

atleast it's pronouncable if that is even a word

[11:30:40]

achew22:

fine... lets make fun of how ugly he is!

[11:30:56]

pjn:

oh, for crying out loud

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achew22:

fortunately my backgorund in mirc is a really hot babe.... so I have something to look at that doesn't hurt my eyes

[11:31:13]

achew22:

pjn i'm only kidding.....

[11:31:21]

achew22:

but dont tell phar0e

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phar0e:

:<

[11:31:40]

achew22:

I haven't ever seen a sad face quite like that

[11:31:48]

dtm:

phar0e: no. it's good.

[11:32:02]

achew22:

is anyone here jewish?

[11:32:19]

achew22:

would anyone be offended if I make a jewish joke?

[11:32:21]

phar0e:

my other nickname I use is Freemonster, do you like that one dtm? it's like a monster that is no longer caged.. he's free

[11:32:28]

phar0e:

don't ache!

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achew22:

:---(

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phar0e:

let's talk about your backend, what distro is it

[11:32:41]

achew22:

okay... that was the joke

[11:32:48]

dtm:

phar0e: well done, sir

[11:32:52]

achew22:

:---( — get it

[11:32:55]

phar0e:

I don't get it

[11:33:05]

phar0e:

looks like a tiny penis to me

[11:33:11]

achew22:

its a frowny face

[11:33:15]

achew22:

but it has a huge nose...

[11:33:27]

phar0e:

achew22: what distro do you use on mythbackend?

[11:33:28]

achew22:

that wasn't too bad was it

[11:33:32]

achew22:

gentoo

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phar0e:

do you like Ali G achew22 ?

[11:34:08]

achew22:

mirror mirror on the wall what is the sexiest distro of them all.... (mirror responds with Gentoo)

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phar0e:

when I think of a good distro sexiness always comes to mind first

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achew22:

Ali G is he the guy who interviews people as like a hungarian or something

[11:35:00]

achew22:

sexiness is always a factor — thats how I picked my classes next year... I got the hottest female teachers at the school!

[11:35:49]

haj:

hm .. xbmc mythtv dosn't work very good at all

[11:35:54]

achew22:

nope

[11:35:57]

achew22:

I haven't had any luck with it

[11:38:31]

achew22:

phar0e when is alli G on?

[11:38:33]

haj:

winmyth isn't much better.. :)

[11:38:40]

achew22:

winmyth == crap

[11:38:55]

haj:

yeb.

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achew22:

I'm going to write a really simple one in vb because I can

[11:39:09]

achew22:

its going to be a wmp controll and it will get the files from samba...

[11:39:23]

achew22:

ammount of complication == 0

[11:39:51]

achew22:

maybe I will have it catagorize the files.... or something like that

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achew22:

damnit... I gotta be up in 4 hours... night all

[11:40:37]

** Juski bemoans the shitty windows network at work... **

[11:40:40]

** achew22 is away: Still sleeping **

[11:40:42]

Juski:

night achew22

[11:40:50]

achew22:

phar0e I love you

[11:41:06]

achew22:

Juski have a wonderfull night! untill tomorrow?

[11:41:33]

dtm:

:-.

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dtm:

achew22: l8r

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achew22:

dtm... you know you have a special place in my heart

[11:41:55]

dtm:

achew22: doubtlessly.

[11:42:02]

dtm:

and likewise

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achew22:

:D

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[11:44:05]

pjn:

does mythbackend use transactions (I'm investigating ways to back up the database)

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phar0e:

g'night achoo

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Juski:

might be a good idea to pick a time when mythbackend is dormant, to do your backup

[11:45:20]

Juski:

or just stop it while you do the backup

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** Juski does an emerge --sync. see you next week :-/ **

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Juski:

gonna investigate mythwebburn.. see if it worketh ;-)

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achew22:

ha hahahhahahh i like this — I got the computer to read all your messages!

[11:47:43]

achew22:

now I'm actualy going to go to bed

[11:48:01]

** achew22 slaps achew22 around a bit with a large trout **

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gardengnome:

re.

[11:48:53]

Juski:

hey UK guys.. www.scan.co.uk have the pvr150MCE OEM without remote for £37.59 inc VAT today

[11:49:20]

achew22:

how does that compare with a 150 (not mce) for 50$

[11:49:58]

gardengnome:

Juski: i got all the parts for my vga2rgb converter today ;)

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achew22:

damnit! this channel is so addictive!

[11:50:28]

achew22:

gardengnome is that vga --> ypbpr ?

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Juski:

gardengnome: yay!

[11:50:39]

gardengnome:

achew22: are you addicted to user support?

[11:50:46]

gardengnome:

achew22: no, well, i believe it's vga --> rgb.

[11:50:57]

achew22:

composite?

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Juski:

achew22: dead easy to convert RGB to YPbPr ;-)

[11:51:02]

gardengnome:

achew22: RGB.

[11:51:07]

achew22:

really?

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achew22:

how

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gardengnome:

http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit

[11:51:23]

Juski:

with like 4 op-amps

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achew22:

can it hurt my tv?

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gardengnome:

achew22: http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html

[11:52:04]

gardengnome:

achew22: of course. why not?

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haj:

achew22: a combination of the webinterface and dsmyth seems to work pretty good :)

[11:53:17]

achew22:

yeah

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achew22:

but if you use a pvr card then dsmyth doesn't even have to be used

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gardengnome:

Juski: though it's gonna be a mess with the wiring of the vga/scart plug :/ and i was too cheap to buy more than one color of wire.. ;)

[11:54:24]

** Juski laughs **

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Juski:

good luck, gardengnome

[11:54:38]

achew22:

is ypbpr scart?

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haj:

uhm .. how do i reencode already recorded shows?

[11:55:00]

Juski:

achew22: scart does composite, svideo or RGB

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achew22:

I don't really have a scart plug

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Juski:

(and all with stereo audio)... and it's bidirectional for most signals.. i.e. you get inputs & outputs in the same plug

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achew22:

I need ypbpr which is composite cables though

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gardengnome:

achew22: component.

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achew22:

can that convert them to rca plugs?

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gardengnome:

not composite

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achew22:

that one

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gardengnome:

IMHO

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achew22:

that one

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Juski:

no it's not.. it's just three 75 Ohm cables

[11:56:41]

achew22:

always get them mixed up

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Juski:

you shouldn't

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Juski:

:-P

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achew22:

why? my tv only has rca plugs

[11:57:22]

Juski:

eeew

[11:57:24]

Juski:

lucky you

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Juski:

lol

[11:57:29]

achew22:

yeah...

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gardengnome:

scart was made by the french, right?

[11:57:46]

Juski:

scart was a great idea

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Juski:

peritel... invented by a european consortium

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gardengnome:

so who made it? :PP

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gardengnome:

oh, ok

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achew22:

yeah one country could never come up with a good idea

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achew22:

what were you thinking gardengnome

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Juski:

french originated, though :-P

[11:58:40]

gardengnome:

achew22's hostname looks like he's american. they probably don't get many TVs with scart input

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Juski:

that's why you yanks never got it

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achew22:

i'm a stupid amercan

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gardengnome:

RGB is teh win especially because my TV doesn't support s-video

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achew22:

i'm so stupid I cant even spell america right ;)

[11:59:10]

Juski:

no need to have the preface. American will do ;-)

[11:59:26]

gardengnome:

Juski: redundancy is goooood!

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achew22:

i'm a sleepy american though so i'm going to take a catnap

[11:59:43]

Juski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scart

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achew22:

when I get up at 10am you will still be on right ? (5hrs from now)

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gardengnome:

sure. 7pm for me, 6pm for juski

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Juski:

who knows...

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achew22:

exelent

[12:00:08]

gardengnome:

but likely AFK

[12:00:12]

achew22:

I will come and bother you

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achew22:

if you don't mind of course

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

I might have had enough of answering stupid questions & could have killed myself by then...

[12:00:33]

achew22:

I do that all the time

[12:00:50]

gardengnome:

if i'm busy with taking a naop or doing other stuff in my bedroom, i won't notice anyways ;)

[12:00:57]

gardengnome:

achew22: killing yourself?

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achew22:

yeah... daily activity

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Juski:

I really need to investigate this portage cache shit.. stuck at 51% again

[12:01:32]

achew22:

i'm going to check on my emerges to make sure they are all still going then go to bed

[12:01:32]

achew22:

ta ta

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** achew22 is away: I'm really sleeping this time **

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gardengnome:

he won't fall asleep soon.

[12:02:14]

** Juski plays loud music to wake achew22 up **

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achew22:

wow... I have 18 open ssh sessions

[12:02:30]

achew22:

gotta stop just clicking on the x for putty

[12:02:33]

gardengnome:

achew22: initiated by russian hosts?

[12:02:55]

achew22:

well 17 of 18 are root ;)

[12:03:10]

achew22:

what are they going to steal? my recording of NOVA?

[12:03:21]

achew22:

the horror!

[12:03:26]

Juski:

your soul.. :-D

[12:03:28]

Juski:

oh wait...

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achew22:

dude...

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achew22:

<-- american == no soul

[12:04:23]

Juski:

most of the mythtv devs must be exceptions to the rule then.. I'm not _that_ xenophobic ;-)

[12:05:19]

achew22:

wow... emergeing kde-meta was way a bad idea

[12:05:20]

Juski:

fuck it – I'm really gonna dump gentoo soon.

[12:05:36]

achew22:

Juski why?

[12:05:36]

Juski:

said it before, twice, but this time I really mean it

[12:05:45]

Juski:

Updating Portage cache: 52%

[12:05:52]

achew22:

ahh

[12:05:52]

Juski:

10 minutes later: Updating Portage cache: 52%

[12:05:54]

achew22:

do it overnight

[12:05:58]

Juski:

20 minutes later: Updating Portage cache: 52%

[12:06:02]

Juski:

etc...

[12:06:07]

Juski:

never used to be so bloody dog slow

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achew22:

ctrl alt+f1 then emerge --sync

[12:06:28]

Juski:

that's what I'm doing

[12:06:32]

achew22:

then ctrl alt+f7 and let it do it while you are blisfully unaware

[12:06:35]

gardengnome:

Juski: well, be glad that it *has* a cache.

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** gardengnome needs a nap, too **

[12:07:06]

Juski:

crtl alt+f7? I'm doing it in an ssh session

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achew22:

alt+f7 goes to Xorg for me

[12:07:36]

achew22:

ctrl+alt+f7

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achew22:

Juski what internet do you have?

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Juski:

no use in a terminal...

[12:08:14]

Juski:

put it this way, the rsync finished ages ago

[12:08:21]

achew22:

ahh

[12:08:36]

achew22:

you could set it up as a cron job then you wouldn't ever know if you were updated ;)

[12:08:51]

Juski:

it never used to take this long, and it takes longer all the time :-/

[12:08:59]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Juski: the newest portage (unstable I guess) seems much faster..They changed caching mechanism or something

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achew22:

can you switch by emerging it ;)

[12:09:38]

Juski:

it's fucking going. had it with that pos distro. I only need binaries – none of this compiling it ass off shit

[12:10:06]

achew22:

BASPHEMOR!!!

[12:10:10]

** achew22 is away **

[12:10:14]

** achew22 's monitor is off **

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** Juski unplugs achew22's keyboard **

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Juski:

oo wait.. 72%...

[12:10:56]

Juski:

maybe it's got a little better than last time

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fatmatt:

anyone got opinions about using an LCD screen as a tv?

[12:16:51]

fatmatt:

I know nothing about brightness / contrast compared to crt

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achew22:

DAMNIT... I can't sleep without knowing this — there is a movie where they are breaking into something and they need eye validation so they mace the guy and steal his retnal scans.... what movie is that?

[12:18:47]

achew22:

entrapment

[12:18:49]

achew22:

nevermind

[12:18:50]

achew22:

i got it

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gardengnome:

achew22: dude, you need to cut down on coffee and breathe slowly.

[12:19:06]

achew22:

someone should really have a remote switch to turn off my computer

[12:20:21]

achew22:

gardengnome I'm regreting having those 3 pepsis before I went to bed

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gardengnome:

achew22: hehe. owned ;)

[12:20:37]

gardengnome:

achew22: i'd suggest reading. books.

[12:20:49]

achew22:

not computer screen?

[12:21:08]

achew22:

you know what else makes me sleepy....

[12:21:25]

achew22:

my girlfriend talking — maybe i'll call her and tell her to read me a story or something

[12:21:51]

achew22:

sad thing is that she is up already....

[12:21:55]

gardengnome:

there's something even better, it also involves girlfriends but i'm not gonna mention in an OSS channel

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gardengnome:

s/in/it in/

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phar0e:

sex, I think he was going to mention sex

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gardengnome:

no, shopping for clothes, of course

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lono:

Anyone in need of some parts for a mythtv box? I'm parting mine out.. the experiment is over.. mythtv has lost, unfortunately

[12:59:04]

abarbaccia:

lono: why are you giving up?

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gardengnome:

i knew someone would ask ;)

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** gardengnome has gotta run **

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lono:

Meh.. I'm just frustrated. I'm downgrading to 0.18. I'm pretty sure they took the alpha version of 0.19 and tagged it as the release version

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lono:

no harm no foul

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lono:

I mean.. it wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have to manually restart mythbackend every day

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lono:

..after it crashes, of course

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abarbaccia:

lono: sorry to hear that – i'm sure you can work out a solution and figure out why its crashin

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abarbaccia:

g

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lono:

yeah, downgrade to 0.18. Hopefully that will stop the numerous bugs I've encountered

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abarbaccia:

thats letting other poeple figure it out

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abarbaccia:

which is fine too

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lono:

Anyways, I'm not adding anything to the conversation.. I think I'll take my troll-ass out of here

[13:04:57]

lono:

abarbaccia: you're right.. I should put my money where my mouth is, submit bug reports, actively participate, etc. And I have really been thinking about getting involved that way

[13:05:25]

abarbaccia:

yeah, at the very least check out the bug reports, see if others are having the same error and if not open a new one

[13:05:36]

abarbaccia:

it takes all of about 10 minutes and you usually find people with the similar problem

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abarbaccia:

you could add that little bit of incite that can help someone fix the bug

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lono:

yeah, I know.. I suppose it's laziness on my part

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lono:

I think I lost it today when I woke up today, turned on the tv to see that mythtv had crashed (yet again), and was in an endless error loop saying that my /mnt/store had run out of disk space. So much for auto-expiring.

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mchou:

lono: how much storage you got dedicated for recordings?

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lono:

mchou: 160gb

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mchou:

bah, that's nowhere near enough

[13:11:53]

lono:

but I'm sure it's that "feature" where mythtv hangs on to every channel you flip through

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mchou:

what is this, dvb or ntsc/atsc?

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lono:

ntsc

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mchou:

lono: I dont know what you mean by "hangs onto"

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lono:

In 0.19, myth will hang on to the buffered recording of every channel you watch, and will not delete that buffer if you change channels

[13:13:58]

lono:

they are supposed to auto-expire

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lono:

supposed to, at least

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mchou:

sure, they are supposed to autoexpire.

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mchou:

dunno what's happening in your case

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lono:

yeah, I don't care anymore. 0.18 doesn't have that "feature".

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mchou:

lono: anyways, if you dont want your myth parts, I'll gladly take them :)

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mchou:

what parts you got?

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lono:

heh..

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lono:

I gots a pvr-500

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mchou:

and?

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lono:

w/ remote

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lono:

and..

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lono:

a few nifty cables

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mchou:

lol, that's it?

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lono:

what, you think I'm made of money here?

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mchou:

I was thing amd64 939 and shit

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mchou:

thinking*

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lono:

oh, lol.. yeah, I also use my mythtv box as a dev box

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lono:

it has more than one purpose

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mchou:

lono: what mobo you running all that stuff on? (I'm not looking to buy it)

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mchou:

lono: just wondering what chipset you running

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lono:

I got a chaintech.. uh.. I forget the model

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lono:

athlon xp

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lono:

nforce2

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mchou:

lono: ok

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lono:

2200+

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mchou:

lono: why did you use 0.19?

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mchou:

I mean why not just migrate back to 0.18.x

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lono:

haha.. what is this, 20 questions?

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lono:

mchou: that's exactly what I'm doing right now

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mchou:

lono: so why are you complaining then? :)

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lono:

what, this isn't the complaint channel?

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lono:

whoops, my bad

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lono:

:)

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abarbaccia:

hey all – if you put your computer to sleep and you have a cron job scheduled, will it wake up and preform the task?

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mchou:

abarbaccia: good question

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lono:

abarbaccia: I'm gonna say no

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abarbaccia:

could be very useful in myth situations for power saving on the backend

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mchou:

abarbaccia: I'd guess not, but I dont really no

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mchou:

know*

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mchou:

that's why they made ANAcron

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abarbaccia:

whats ANAcron

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

google

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lono:

yeah, anacron wil make sure your shit gets done

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abarbaccia:

well, that doesnt help when you miss a recording

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lono:

oh

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mchou:

abarbaccia: that's why you use wol

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mchou:

the feature is in myth

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mchou:

assuming your mobo supports it

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abarbaccia:

right, so wake on lan...will the backend wake when it gets a request from localhost?

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lono:

maybe it pings itself

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mchou:

abarbaccia: huh???

[13:25:21]

lono:

but then.. how does it wake to ping?

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hashbang:

heh

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lono:

chicken and egg

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mchou:

there is no chicken and egg. That's hy you use openwrt :)

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mchou:

why*

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hashbang:

I've just noticed something cool about MythTV; the Windows software for the Hauppauge Nova-T can apparently only do audio for BBC Parliament; MythTV does audio AND video! :-)

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lono:

mchou: man , you have a solution for everything, don't you?

[13:26:02]

mchou:

as part of the router :)

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mchou:

lono: yeah, and it's all open source too :)

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hashbang:

although I'll grant that looking at our scum in Westminster may not be that desirable...

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lono:

haha

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lono:

I forgot how early it is here.. how many of you guys are from the UK?

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** hashbang submits an RFE for MythTV – Please break video for BBC Parliament. ;-) **

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hashbang:

lono: I am.

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lono:

well, I assumed that one :)

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hashbang:

juski is, too, but I don't think he's on right now.

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mchou:

abarbaccia: there is also the nvram clock featue that's supported in myth

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mchou:

feature*

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mchou:

that supports self wake-ups

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lono:

Alright dudes.. gotta go to work.. sigh.. thx for the fun convos

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mchou:

basically os sets alarm to wake itself up b4 it goes to bed :)

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mchou:

to the nvram clock

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mchou:

abarbaccia: this all assumes your mobo has proper support for all this stuff.....

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** hashbang uses his myth box as his firewall (which was already on for 16–20hrs/day anyway) **

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mchou:

now that's just plain ridiculous

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mchou:

I did that b4 and it was a real PITA

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mchou:

hashbang: what proggie acts as dhcpd for you?

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mchou:

hashbang: or do you just use fixed addr on your lan?

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hashbang:

mchou: er, dhcpd. ;-)

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mchou:

hashbang: and bind?

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mchou:

hashbang: for DNS?

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hashbang:

mchou: pdnsd

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hashbang:

mchou: I don't need the power or complexity of BIND.

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mchou:

hashbang: I'm not familiar with that one....Does it pretty much self administer?

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d64:

how is bind complex

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mchou:

d64: lol, the bind config files are a PITA

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mchou:

hashbang: I seriously recommend you look into dnsmasq if you arent using it already

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d64:

the config file might not have the simplest format but it essentially is a list of your zone files

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mchou:

hashbang: no admin necessary at all

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mchou:

d64: the bind config files are a mess. some files require ";", other require "." and other dont understand either

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mchou:

d64: t's really fubar

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mchou:

it's*

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mchou:

that's why for soho I recommend dnsmasq

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hashbang:

d64: put it this way; pdnsd just serves out /etc/hosts via DNS. I don't need anything more than that.

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mchou:

no admin necessary

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d64:

yeah i don't doubt that

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d64:

but what i don't see is how bind is complex or hard to work with

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mchou:

d64: I just told you why :)

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d64:

imo it's a very simple program :)

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mchou:

d64: right. which is why nobody can get the implementation correct

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mchou:

try writing your own dns server and you'll figure out it's much more complicated than you think it is

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d64:

simple program, towards the user

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mchou:

d64: I cant tell you never tried to administer with bind

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d64:

here user means the person who wants to serve dns data, not the dns clients

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** stuarta ran out of fingers counting bind security holes **

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mchou:

can*

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d64:

mchou: well, you are wrong

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mchou:

d64: then you just have too much free time on your hands then

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d64:

it's strange really

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d64:

i can honestly say i always found bind .. well, just that, an easy to work with program

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mchou:

lol

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d64:

for example with apache i have had much more problems

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d64:

not to say that apache is not a good piece of software

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mchou:

d64: it's clear you've never tried anything even slightly out of the ordinary with bind

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d64:

so what you are saying is

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d64:

that nobody could have tried anything out of ordinary with bind, and still like it

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mchou:

why anyone would want to mess with bind config and zone files is beyond me.

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d64:

that i can believe

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mchou:

it has no consistency

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mchou:

anyways, dnsmasq is way better as far as admin is concerned, cause there is basically none

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mchou:

edit one file and you have a sufficiently good dns.

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mchou:

that file has about five lines

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Beirdo:

mchou: you find bind hard to deal with? Dunno what your problem is ;)

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mchou:

Beirdo: [05:47:47] <mchou> d64: the bind config files are a mess. some files require ";", other require "." and other dont understand either

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Beirdo:

umm, there is one config file

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d64:

i fail to think of a case where . and ; would be used for the same function in two files

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d64:

but i could be wrong

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Beirdo:

don't mind me, I do DNS stuff for a living (as part of my UNIX admin job)

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d64:

i don't claim i've done everything with bind that can be conceived

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Beirdo:

there is named.conf, that is all

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Beirdo:

and zone files are zone files :)

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mchou:

Beirdo: ok, the zone files, maybe not the config file

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d64:

which in a simple setup defines forwarders, zone transfers allowed/disallowed and lists zones

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Beirdo:

where do you need a "."?

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mchou:

lol

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d64:

are you referring to a "www.company.com."

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mchou:

how about in the fqdn?

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Beirdo:

right, that has nothing to do with BIND

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Beirdo:

that's DNS

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Beirdo:

go read the frigging RFCs

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Beirdo:

BIND just happens to follow the RFCs to the letter

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mchou:

shit. And you think all RFCs are golden?

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d64:

doesn't this "." controversy also exist in the other widely used dns server btw

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Beirdo:

there is no controversy

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Beirdo:

a domain without the trailing . isn't fully qualified in DNS

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Beirdo:

plain and simple

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d64:

yeah i know that

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d64:

but many people are confused by it

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Beirdo:

of course, because they don't bother to read :)

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d64:

i have many times received zone files to be added that are missing the . or have it in the end of relative names

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Beirdo:

oh me too

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Beirdo:

which is why our domain editing suite (that I wrote) bitches about it

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d64:

and i confess i have missed it occasionally myself! (gasp)

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mchou:

so? and you guys think this is a "good thing?"

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Beirdo:

people are lazy, people make mistakes

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Beirdo:

yes I do

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mchou:

lol

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Beirdo:

standards compliance is a good thing

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mchou:

good programs minimize user errors

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Beirdo:

and that particular standard makes sense

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d64:

hah, the wikipedia page for zone file

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d64:

"Contrast zone files to the plain-text data files used by djbdns. Some administrators consider these to be efficient and easy to parse, other adminstrators think that BIND is easier to read."

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d64:

i guess this is not the first argument ever on the subject

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Beirdo:

djbdns is a pile of crap written by an idiot

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d64:

i don't know of that but i did look at it years ago and wasn't convinced

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Beirdo:

djb is a moron. qmail is likewise doomed

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d64:

i used qmail in a company i worked for and was frustrated by poor quality of the documentation.. otherwise i had no problems with it

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stuarta:

it's djb's unwillingness to see real world scenarios that is the problem

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Beirdo:

exactly

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Beirdo:

my manager actually knows him from previous work

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stuarta:

try to integrate spam filters, virus scanners etc is a PITA

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Beirdo:

you should hear him go on and on about the moron

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

his only good point is he is willing to be the sacrificial cow that stands up in court

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Beirdo:

heh

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TheFloyd:

yeah, i haven't heard any good things about djb either

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Beirdo:

that is a good thing, I guess

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TheFloyd:

i stick with bind and sendmail for now.. they've served me well

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Beirdo:

sendmail is not bad

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stuarta:

sendmail is a POS

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Beirdo:

postfix is worth it once you get a chance to wrap your brain around it

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mchou:

sendmail is a POS

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TheFloyd:

just gotta reinstall it every other week when someone finds another root hole ;)

[14:16:51]

TheFloyd:

(sendmail, that is)

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Beirdo:

sendmail isn't a POS for small setups

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mchou:

sendmail is a POS PERIOD

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Beirdo:

good luck pushing 1M messages a day through it

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stuarta:

exim's better for small setups

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TheFloyd:

heh, i work for a large financial firm where we use sendmail across all the frontends for 50,000+ users worldwide

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TheFloyd:

sendmail -> exchange

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mchou:

dont care how big or small your setup is

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Beirdo:

mchou, we already know that you are a bonehead.

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stuarta:

exchange is a bigger POS

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mchou:

Beirdo: speak for yourself, my man

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TheFloyd:

stuarta- well of course

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TheFloyd:

but execs like groupware

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TheFloyd:

and blackberries

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stuarta:

just every damn IT department implements it.

[14:18:44]

Beirdo:

sendmail is a bit archaic, but is rock-solid until you push it just a bit too hard

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d64:

seems like this mobile stuff will be the next thing that will lock everyone into exchange from now on

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Beirdo:

then it sits and spins on the queue

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mchou:

stuarta: what, exchange or sendmail? :)

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D-side:

Beirdo: we do just that.

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stuarta:

(exchange > sendmail) = POS

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mchou:

I agree

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D-side:

close to 1M/day inbound, no problem.

[14:19:53]

mchou:

it;s POS squared vs. POS

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D-side:

its more along the lines of 700–800k, but still.

[14:20:01]

mchou:

it's*

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Beirdo:

anyways, I should go to work... got DNS provisioning scripts to work on

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TheFloyd:

Bierdo- we push a lot of mail through sendmail.. a LOT of mail.. and don't really have issues with the queue

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D-side:

good luck.

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D-side:

TheFloyd: same here.

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Beirdo:

well then you are lucky :)

[14:21:15]

TheFloyd:

:) sounds like it

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Beirdo:

it's tough to get sendmail to behave under that kinda load

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Beirdo:

congrats :)

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** stuarta hate M$ software **

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D-side:

its usually just a case of misconfiguration, which admittedly is a very easy thing to do.

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stuarta:

hates even

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D-side:

no one can argue the fact that its a real pain in the ass to manage. :)

[14:22:05]

Beirdo:

heh

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TheFloyd:

stuarta- most of us do, but some of us have to live with it

[14:22:17]

Beirdo:

yeah, sendmail.cf gives many people nightmares :)

[14:22:36]

Beirdo:

anyways, wokr

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D-side:

have fun.

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Beirdo:

work rather

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TheFloyd:

later beirdo

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D-side:

i'm about to run out to a customer site myself.

[14:22:54]

stuarta:

!trout sendmail

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d64:

speaking of hard to read config files there.. sendmail.cf i mean

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TheFloyd:

d-side: i see you hail from jersey.. and mention of FiOS being deployed near you soon? :)

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D-side:

TheFloyd: not in this area, but i've got about 6mos left on my lease anyway, so i'm not too concerned. :)

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TheFloyd:

oh gotcha

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TheFloyd:

I just got fios installed about 3 weeks ago

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D-side:

only person i know with fios is in OR, and he loves it.

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TheFloyd:

I'm out on long island

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D-side:

didnt know they were rolling it there.

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TheFloyd:

it's awesome, and because cablevision is offering so much competition, I got 30/5 service for $54.95/mo

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D-side:

still true that you have to use their router?

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mchou:

D-side: that's cause the other choice in OR is Quest

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mchou:

D-side: compare to quest anything smells like roses

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TheFloyd:

I don't believe so, but I don't particularly care about which router i use

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D-side:

qwest sucks.

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D-side:

everything qwest does is utter crap. voice, data, you name it.

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D-side:

TheFloyd: i can't say the same. :)

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mchou:

D-side: exactly

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TheFloyd:

the last I heard is you can use whichever router you want

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TheFloyd:

as long as it does PPPoE

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TheFloyd:

just don't expect to have a pleasant support experience if you're not willing to put their router back before calling

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TheFloyd:

(from what I've heard)

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TheFloyd:

as far as support goes though.. the service is rock solid reliable.. so I don't foresee calling verizon a lot for troubleshooting

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TheFloyd:

I'm thinking like.. vz fiber support reps in old maytag appliance repairman style commercials

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TheFloyd:

sitting around doing nothing :)

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

i didnt realize it was delivered over pppoe

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TheFloyd:

yeah

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D-side:

but that makes a ton of sense.

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TheFloyd:

they're supposedly moving to dhcp soon.. or at least that's the rumour

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mchou:

TheFloyd: you live in a new housing development? I thought FioS was greenfield

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TheFloyd:

but again, I could care less

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TheFloyd:

I live in huntington, ny (on long island)

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mchou:

TheFloyd: you're a long island redneck :)

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TheFloyd:

verizon is being aggressive where they can't sell dsl.. I live in a rather well-off part of long island that happens to be well past 20,000feet from the CO.. and the richer areas (huntington bay, lloyd neck) are probably like 30kft+

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TheFloyd:

so they have no market share.. cablevision owns the area

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TheFloyd:

there's a nice photo gallery of the install at http://thefloyd.insomnia.org/gallery/fios

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TheFloyd:

for those so interested.. :)

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TheFloyd:

complete with speakeasy speedtest results on page 2 ;)

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mchou:

haha, I like pic 4

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mchou:

TheFloyd: guess VZ didnt have to trench

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TheFloyd:

nope.. I'm serviced aerially

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mchou:

that's why it's not green field

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TheFloyd:

yeah

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TheFloyd:

long island is a good place for fios

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TheFloyd:

most of long island is serviced the same as I am

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TheFloyd:

growing up my parents moved a few times.. and only one neighborhood was trenched

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mchou:

bah, I lived in Bayside, Queens and that was trenched

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TheFloyd:

almost everywhere I've been on long island is aerial

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TheFloyd:

yeah, the city, queens, brooklyn are all trenched

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TheFloyd:

but out in nassau and suffolk counties almost everything is aerial

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mchou:

that's cause that's redneck country

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TheFloyd:

heh, my neighbors about 5mi down the road in lloyd harbor in their $15mil waterfront houses would argue that with you :)

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TheFloyd:

eastern suffolk, hell yeah, definitely redneck

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mchou:

TheFloyd: bah, $15 mil is nothing

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TheFloyd:

western suffolk/nassau county.. not so much

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TheFloyd:

heh, they start at $15mil

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mchou:

$2 mil gets you a shack in SF Bay area :)

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TheFloyd:

yeah i know

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TheFloyd:

got a friend out that way that works for ebay

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TheFloyd:

a bit off topic for what we've been talking about (but more on topic for the chan)

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TheFloyd:

does anyone here have spdif/ac3 passthrough working properly with myth, and what soundcard do you use?

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mchou:

what's improper?

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TheFloyd:

well, I've got my SP/DIF up

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TheFloyd:

and SD mpeg recordings in 2channel stereo play properly

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TheFloyd:

HD recordings in AC3 give me nothing with AC3 passthrough turned on

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TheFloyd:

if I turn it off and downmix the audio

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TheFloyd:

it plays through spdif fine

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mchou:

that's cause HD is 5.1 :)

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TheFloyd:

my receiver is 5.1

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TheFloyd:

and my dvd player is hooked to my receiver via spdif and it works just fine

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TheFloyd:

it should just be a 5.1 AC3 stream, shouldn't it?

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TheFloyd:

running ffmpeg against one of my recordings from my HD card yields the following:

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TheFloyd:

Stream #0.1[0x321](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 384 kb/s

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TheFloyd:

so that's a 5:1 AC3 stream.. why the hell won't it play?

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mchou:

what sound card?

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TheFloyd:

I've tried my hand with onboard nforce3 intel 8x0

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TheFloyd:

and I tried a hercules card with i forget what chipset

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mchou:

cs46xx

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TheFloyd:

yeah

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TheFloyd:

the intel card gives me NOTHING if I turn AC3 passthrough on.. if I downmix it, it plays fine

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TheFloyd:

my receiver doesn't even pick up the digital stream and switch modes like it should

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TheFloyd:

the hercules card.. downmixing works.. ac3 passthrough gave me some crackles at the start of playback then silence

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TheFloyd:

and all the documentation I've read says this should work

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TheFloyd:

so it's really driving me up the wall

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mchou:

what receiver is this?

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TheFloyd:

it's an older kenwood, but new enough

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TheFloyd:

does dolby digital (ac3) 5.1 and DTS

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mchou:

does it have Prologic?

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TheFloyd:

yes

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TheFloyd:

I have no issues getting dolby digital 5.1 or DTS out of it with my dvd player via SPDIF

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TheFloyd:

so I tend to suspect it's *not* my receiver

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mchou:

what cable?

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TheFloyd:

if I throw in the terminator2 dvd and change between stereo, dolby digital (ac3/5.1), or DTS.. it works just fine

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TheFloyd:

I'm using a standard optical TOSLINK cable

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TheFloyd:

the receiver autosenses the data coming in, and will change modes accordingly.. will light up an indicator to tell you if it's receiving DTS, AC3 5.1, prologic, or just plain stereo across the digital interface

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TheFloyd:

but won't pick up on anything coming out of my PC

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TheFloyd:

it's very, very, very frustrating.. because by all accounts the soundcards I have should work

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mchou:

beats me man

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TheFloyd:

but I don't care at this point.. if someone here has a documented working setup using a different soundcard and will send me config files, I'll go buy the damn thing tonight :)

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mchou:

haha

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TheFloyd:

I've spent like 5 or 6 hours on this, and I'm at my wit's end

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mchou:

bah, that's nothing :)

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TheFloyd:

oh, 5 or 6 hours just making ac3 not work

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mchou:

exactly

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TheFloyd:

first there was the myth backend build with 2 ATSC HD tuners and a PVR 500

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TheFloyd:

that took several days

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TheFloyd:

then there was a frontend build on an amd64 that didn't work under debian

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TheFloyd:

so I scrapped and rebuilt with FC4

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TheFloyd:

and it didn't work again

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mchou:

which atsc tuners did you get?

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TheFloyd:

so I gave up on amc64 for now

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TheFloyd:

and installed slackware on the amd64 box

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TheFloyd:

I have an air2pc HD5000

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TheFloyd:

and an ATI HD wonder

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TheFloyd:

I just HAD TO HAVE the HD card the same day I got a bug up my ass and couldn't wait for the hd5k to ship

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TheFloyd:

so I went to the store and got the ATI card

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mchou:

when you say amd64, you mean 32 bit code or 64?

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TheFloyd:

at first, i was installing 64bit distros

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TheFloyd:

debian/fc4

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TheFloyd:

and all i could get out of mythfrontend was a total graphics system lockup

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mchou:

I dont have any issues with 64 bit or 32.

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TheFloyd:

so I gave up on that, and I'm running slackware and standard 32bit code

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TheFloyd:

interesting

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mchou:

what graphic card?

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TheFloyd:

first there was a radeon 7k in it, only because I loaned the machine out and it was a winbox

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TheFloyd:

i swapped that out for an fx5200

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mchou:

and they both hung?

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TheFloyd:

yup

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mchou:

bullshit

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TheFloyd:

debian I only had the radeon

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TheFloyd:

but before blowing the fc4 install away

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TheFloyd:

I went out and picked up the 5200

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TheFloyd:

and installed the drivers under fc4

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mchou:

your config files must have been fubared with composite extension or some such

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TheFloyd:

what I probably should have done

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TheFloyd:

was install the distro

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TheFloyd:

and build myth myself

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TheFloyd:

I used precompiled myth stuff, because I wanted to be lazy and just slap a frontend together quickly

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mchou:

shit

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TheFloyd:

I would have been better off building myth myself

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TheFloyd:

and it probably would have worked

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mchou:

why didnt you just use knoppmyth

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mchou:

live cd instant sanity check

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TheFloyd:

eh.. that would have been too easy ;)

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TheFloyd:

good point tho

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TheFloyd:

does knoppmyth support ac3?

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TheFloyd:

maybe I can test my sanity at making ac3 work that way

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mchou:

I dont understand why ppl need to make things overly complicated

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TheFloyd:

well honestly

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TheFloyd:

before building a frontend

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mchou:

TheFloyd: forget it. I doubt ac3 would work any better w/ knopp

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TheFloyd:

I just wanted to use my via 1ghz itx box

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mchou:

haha.

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TheFloyd:

and setup the netboot environment for it and everything

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TheFloyd:

that didn't work so well for hd content

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mchou:

that would have been a REAL headache

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TheFloyd:

so I decided it was time to throw some horsepower behind it

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TheFloyd:

actually someone has a whole precompiled getup similar to knoppmyth for via boxes

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TheFloyd:

I already had dhcpd and tftp running to support my hauppauge mediamvp

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mchou:

shit, you sure have lots of toys

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TheFloyd:

"minimyth" it's called

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mchou:

how well does mvp work?

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TheFloyd:

the mvp works well, but apparently there were some changes made in 19 for live tv

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TheFloyd:

and the live tv function no longer works

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TheFloyd:

which is slightly annoying

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mchou:

bah, who needs livetv

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GreyFoxx:

Hehje

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GreyFoxx:

I use mine for recordings only :)

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TheFloyd:

I put the MVP in my bedroom for now

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TheFloyd:

and just use that to play back recorded stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Me too

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GreyFoxx:

Though I will be replacing it soon

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TheFloyd:

I need to set up jobs to transcode my HD recordings down to SD for the mvp tho

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mchou:

TheFloyd: so you'd ecommend the mvp for $50?

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mchou:

recommend*

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TheFloyd:

yeah, it makes a GREAT SD vcr

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TheFloyd:

just make sure if you're recording HD you have jobs to transcode

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TheFloyd:

i bought mine when they first came out originally like 2–3 years ago

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TheFloyd:

and paid $99 for it

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TheFloyd:

even at that price, it's a nice little box

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TheFloyd:

GREAT for the bedroom, as it's silent

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mchou:

huh?? why transcode? commercials?

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GreyFoxx:

The MVP can't handle HD

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mchou:

oh, you mean downres :)

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TheFloyd:

yeah

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TheFloyd:

speaking of downres — does anyone have any good utilities or scripts to check the aspect ratio of a video and then call ffmpeg or some other tool to downres it to an appropriate size?

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mchou:

how tought as mvo to set up?

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mchou:

mvp*

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mchou:

how tough was mvp to set up?

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TheFloyd:

it wasn't bad — are you familiar with dhcp and tftp at all?

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mchou:

yeah, I have netboot myth environ at home

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TheFloyd:

oh then it's a breeze

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TheFloyd:

http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net

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TheFloyd:

just add a new entry in your dhcpd.conf for the mvp

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mchou:

does mvp allow commercial skip?

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TheFloyd:

not yet :(

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mchou:

doh!

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TheFloyd:

it's on the to-do list

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TheFloyd:

set up a transcode job tho :)

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mchou:

I'd buy if that feature is there :)

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mchou:

bah, that's too much hassle

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mchou:

dont wanna deal with transcodes

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mchou:

watch, skip and delete :)

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TheFloyd:

I actually just tried the new daily build of the dongle.bin last night

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TheFloyd:

but didn't see if they implemented commercial skip yet

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TheFloyd:

it could be there for all i know

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't upgraded mine in awhile heh

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TheFloyd:

now I just need an actual high def TV

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TheFloyd:

hah.. just got one of my coworkers real good..

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TheFloyd:

he's away to a conference and was trying to remote desktop to his windows box but couldn't

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TheFloyd:

asked me to reboot it

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TheFloyd:

told him I tried, but it's telling me NTLDR is missing

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mchou:

haha

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TheFloyd:

he wasn't very happy to hear that

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TheFloyd:

:-)

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mchou:

so outside of myth, can your comp pass AC3 5.1 spdif at all successfully?

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mchou:

like try playing a dvd usine xine or whatnot

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mchou:

using*

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DrBair:

UPS man is dropping off my TV tuner card this afternoon :-)

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scopeuk:

cheack for impact marks

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mchou:

haha

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TheFloyd:

hmm, I haven't tried outside of myth

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TheFloyd:

guess that's tonight's project

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DrBair:

when i do a mythfilldatabase, is it supposed to do a similar option over and over again?

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mchou:

TheFloyd: damn man, what were you doing for those 6 hrs?

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TheFloyd:

as for ups.. you need to check for more than impact marks.. every box UPS brings to me looks like it did a tour in iraq

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DrBair:

*or operation rather

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TheFloyd:

mchou- some google, changing video cards, changing .asoundrc

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TheFloyd:

err s/video cards/sound cards

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TheFloyd:

trying to convince myself it's not just me

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DrBair:

err, nevermind, I see what its upto now

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mchou:

asoundrc???

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mchou:

TheFloyd: what the hell you need to mess with asoundrc?

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mchou:

TheFloyd: just use oss.

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TheFloyd:

hahaha

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TheFloyd:

not for ac3 passthrough

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mchou:

or more appropriately alsa oss emulation

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TheFloyd:

I tried using the OSS devices.. if you turn AC3 passthrough on I get digital noise out of my speakers

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TheFloyd:

I was following the instructions at

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TheFloyd:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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mchou:

TheFloyd: one thing, is "PCM Out" pre3D or post3D?

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TheFloyd:

i think i can pick either way

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TheFloyd:

but IIRC it's been pre3d

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TheFloyd:

ooh my 3d control wasn't muted

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TheFloyd:

i wonder if that's the issue

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timmy334:

where do you set the location for storage of the live tv buffer in 0.19? I can't find anything that says where to change that setting.

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TheFloyd:

I believe it's just stored in your recording directory, and I don't think there's an option to change it

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TheFloyd:

LiveTV in 0.19 is treated much more like a recording

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timmy334:

oh ok

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TheFloyd:

(from what I've read.. 0.19 is my first experience with mythtv)

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timmy334:

in previous versions there was an option in mythtvsetup that allowed you to set a specific directory for the live tv buffer

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timmy334:

but if that is the case then that's fine

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TheFloyd:

yeah, my understanding is that a lot of livetv stuff was changed/rewritten to make livetv behave more like a recording now.. and I'm suspecting that if you don't see an option, that's probably why

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timmy334:

do you know of a keypress that allows you to return to live tv after a pause?

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TheFloyd:

hmm, I'm not too well versed yet

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TheFloyd:

:)

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timmy334:

me neither and i've used it for a while :-P

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timmy334:

I've got to get a remote for this thing

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timmy334:

but I just use it on my desktop so that seems like a waste of money. now if I had a myth box in my living room...

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timmy334:

TheFloyd, thanks for your help

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timmy334:

l8rz

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TheFloyd:

no problem.. later

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a11fa:

lol

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a11fa:

the svn version of mythplugins wont compile

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a11fa:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mythplugins/mythflix'

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a11fa:

mythflix is f0xxing up

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a11fa:

http://pastebin.ca/47607

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a11fa:

problem with main.cpp

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a11fa:

damn

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a11fa:

ioioio

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a11fa:

ioioioioioioi

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a11fa:

blaaahah

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a11fa:

where is everyone?

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stuarta:

a11fa: you are just on the wrong timescale

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stuarta:

come back in a few hours and thing's should be busier....

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TheFloyd:

everyone's on their way to work

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TheFloyd:

or just getting settled in

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TheFloyd:

(at work) :)

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stuarta:

or about to leave :)

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a11fa:

haha

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** a11fa cant serial into his new Ultra10 **

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a11fa:

damn it

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a11fa:

i got a new ultra10

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a11fa:

i got two of them now

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mchou:

damn....here is an inexpensive box: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 03&type=

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AngryElf:

my firefox doesn't want to read mythweb.php ....it keeps asking for a program to run it, if i tell firefox to open the file it just repeats, what's going on?

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a11fa:

AngryElf : its apache problem

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a11fa:

make sure you have php installed

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a11fa:

and setup in apache modules

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a11fa:

xris

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a11fa:

did u fus0k mythflix?

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a11fa:

i am still unable to compile this bad boy

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a11fa:

error in .cpp

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mocker:

Does MythTV have a management interface that I can pull information from?

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mocker:

Besides the SQL database. :)

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xris:

a11fa: I don't touch the compilable code.

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xris:

mocker: mythweb has some stuff.

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tomacco:

mocker: what info do you need?

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tomacco:

i use sqldump along with grep

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tomacco:

its not pretty, but it works

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mocker:

tomacco: I'm looking write some scripts for just really simple "Upcoming recordings for tonight"

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Beirdo:

mocker: you could just connect to the web backend on port 6543

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Beirdo:

or is it 6544?

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Beirdo:

whatever, one of the above

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mocker:

Beirdo: Hmm.

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mocker:

That's probably what I'm looking for.

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a11fa:

telnet

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a11fa:

telnet

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Beirdo:

it shows the next 10 to record, IIRC

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a11fa:

:)

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a11fa:

just telnet

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Beirdo:

oh shut it

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Beirdo:

sir spams-a-lot :)

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Beirdo:

what, me, grouchy? NEVER :)

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mocker:

Beirdo: Is there a command list for it?

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a11fa:

http://pastebin.ca/47607

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a11fa:

Beirdo : mythflix is broken

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Beirdo:

no idea on the telnet interface

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ed-209:

are there any good writeups on installing a Hauppauge Nexus-S card around?

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a11fa:

i love me telnet interface

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Beirdo:

and if mythflix is busted, put in a bug report, many of us don't have it anyways

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a11fa:

i dont use it

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a11fa:

myself

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RaYmAn-Bx:

has anyone else experience wrong behaviour when watching livetv and using browsemode? In particular, sorting of the channels is mostly of (and by mostly I mean almost always..Sometimes it sorts correctly, like just after having been in tv guide mode(with preview))

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** a11fa cries **

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Hoxzer:

what is good start command for mplayer as media file player?

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Hoxzer:

I would use xine but it cuts of parts of video image

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the "Internal" player in mythtv works quite well..I used mplayer until a few days ago as well..I guess it's not so good for dvd's until the menusupport is in a released version

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Hoxzer:

ok....

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Hoxzer:

does internal support subtitles?

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Hoxzer:

avi subtitles

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's a good question actually..No idea :)

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Hoxzer:

ok, I try mplayer -fs now

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Hoxzer:

:E seems like there is a same problem in mplayer

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Hoxzer:

strange

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Hoxzer:

in that case I have to use internal

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Hoxzer:

...aaargh isn't the command for internal player "internal"?

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morbidi:

hello

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morbidi:

:)

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Hoxzer:

hello

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Juski:

evening all

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D-side:

hey.

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Juski:

that time of the day when everybody's myth system is just working... I like this

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Juski:

:-D

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D-side:

heh

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D-side:

only because i havent found anything to break mine with yet.

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Juski:

grr... the mythtvtalk.com forum support email address is being spammed...

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TheFloyd:

haha.. in the case of my myth system, I'm not home to try breaking it further ;)

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Chicago:

I think I broke mine with some channel icons... that make the program guide take forever to load now... hehe

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TheFloyd:

there's only so much you can accomplish with ssh and x forwarding

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TheFloyd:

:)

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D-side:

TheFloyd: that'll last quite a few months

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D-side:

then you'll get the urge to play with things

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D-side:

i wish i could figure out how to load in channel icons.

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TheFloyd:

oh no, i'm still trying to get ac3 audio working

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TheFloyd:

so i have things to play with still

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TheFloyd:

of course i have a girlfriend obligation after work

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TheFloyd:

which sucks, because i'm itching to go home and mess with this again

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Chicago:

D-side: well if you have the channel icons... then you can manually put them in the correct directory and use the channel editor to specify which icon goes to which channel.

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D-side:

yeah? i've never tried. i do have the channel icons actually.

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D-side:

whats the correct directory?

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Juski:

the correct directory is /whereever/icons

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D-side:

that sounds a lot like i should be reading some damn docs

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Juski:

so long as you put the right path in the channel table, you're sorted

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Juski:

I think frontend response times can be improved by sharing the icons directory over NFS and mounting them on the remote system in the same place, but not sure

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Juski:

here's a question for UK DVB peeps... those 'interactive' channels, 701, 702 & 703.. is there any programme guide data for them? or are they just a waste of space most of the time?

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D-side:

otherwise what, they'd come over the mythtv protocol?

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D-side:

i've got a great idea. i'm going to stop asking questions.

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Juski:

D-side – yes, or not

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Juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening Juski

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Juski:

I just asked... here's a question for UK DVB peeps... those 'interactive' channels, 701, 702 & 703.. is there any programme guide data for them? or are they just a waste of space most of the time?

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Juski:

I gather they're just used kinda 'on the fly' by the mheg stuff

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stuarta:

no guide, since you get to them through the interactive tv

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Juski:

so there's no way to tell what is on what at any given time

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stuarta:

nope

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Beirdo:

mheg? WTF?

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Juski:

multimedia hypertext something something

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stuarta:

Beirdo: have a look at the linuxtv.org wiki

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Juski:

hypertext/hyperlink.. blah

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Beirdo:

just what we need... more fuckin acronyms :)

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Juski:

Beirdo: like the lame old teletext but with nicer graphics & simple scripting

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Beirdo:

we don't have teletext here in the civilized world... er North America

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Juski:

stuarta: this MHEG stuff.. does that mean we get that fucking annoying red dot all over our TV now?

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Juski:

;-)

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Beirdo:

except in some hotels that run their own systems

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Beirdo:

but I know what ya mean

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Beirdo:

:)

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** Juski is bored... might be time to start picking up some Qt skills **

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Beirdo:

W00t!

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Beirdo:

another Goon Show to listen to

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D-side:

Juski: bored? fix the not-broken! :)

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Beirdo:

this one from ABC (thank ya, Australia)

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Juski:

goon show == less funny than 'weird' IMHO

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Beirdo:

goon show = classic

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Beirdo:

:)

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** stuarta is having fun working out bitchx commands **

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Beirdo:

and I grew up listening to them

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Juski:

reminds me actually – been contemplating patching 0.19 for dvb radio

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Juski:

that might keep me busy for a while

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Beirdo:

and now that I can capture them from BBC7 and ABC RN... :)

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Juski:

where do you get bbc7 from, Beirdo?

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Juski:

online?

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Beirdo:

www.bbc.co.uk

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Beirdo:

:)

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Juski:

is there a patch to look forward to?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my stuff is all in perl, standalone

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Wonker:

Q: What does showlevel do in mythvideometadata (18.1)

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Juski:

parental control

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Wonker:

Really? Damn

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Juski:

think of it like an 'age rating'

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Beirdo:

that's so you can password protect the pr0n to keep your wife out, and let your teenage son have the password?

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Juski:

can't remember which way the numbers work though

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Juski:

think '4' is 'all access'

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D-side:

do you have to actively set this per channel?

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Wonker:

What? My g/f would kill me if I locked her outta the porn

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Beirdo:

ahahh

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Juski:

should spend less time watching it, then ;-)

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Juski:

D-side – it's for mythvideo, not TV channels

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Juski:

but there's an idea though... parental locks for TV channels

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Juski:

another DB column though :-/

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ed-209:

is hauppauge nexus-s wintv not compatible with linux? this thing is driving me crazy

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Wonker:

Heh. Trying to find some way of wedging multi-level heirarchy into mythvideometadata (for another web-based app) without disturbing current stuff

[19:22:35]

Wonker:

likst TV Shows/Bullshit/Season 1/Episode 1

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D-side:

Juski: OH.

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Wonker:

Might just have to add some more columns I am guessing

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Juski:

best form of parental control is of course vetting everything your kids watch, and being a bastard ;-)

[19:23:27]

Juski:

v-chip my arse!

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ed-209:

never been able to get a /dev/vl4/* or /dev/video0.. using saa7146 kernel module

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Beirdo:

you want a v-chip in your arse?

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Juski:

ed-209: you need some DVB modules in there

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xris:

Juski: sounds like an appropriate location to use one

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D-side:

Juski: indeed.

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Juski:

had this guy ask on the forum a while ago about that stupid DVD content filtering system – and whether or not it could be plugged into mythtv

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Wonker:

lol

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Juski:

they have people sit thru movies & mark them up so end users can choose levels of profanity & violence :-/

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ed-209:

dvb-bt8xx?

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Wonker:

he should just close his eyes and go lalalalalala for the appopiate period of time

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Juski:

ed-209: check the linuxtv.org site

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ed-209:

gotcha thanks

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Juski:

seems Mythtv isn't compatible with wholesome fundamentalists ;-)

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

they just need to vet what they watch BEFORE putting it in the computer

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Juski:

"watch all your movies with cuss words removed..." .. imagine how long the Godfather would last.. LOL

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Beirdo:

use their brains instead of relying on technology

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Juski:

Beirdo: that's what I said. It didn't go down very well with him, god bless his soul

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Beirdo:

if they want that, watch em off TBS

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Beirdo:

motherfucker -> melonfarmer

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Wonker:

or, for older kids, teach them the appropiate and inappropiate use of cussing, sex, and violence

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D-side:

Beirdo: that was one of hte best ones i've ever heard

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Beirdo:

cussing when you just hit your thumb with a hammer.... expected

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Juski:

astounds me how shows like '24' can have scenes of torture & stuff, but when Janet Jackson exposes a nipple on MTV there's a fucking outcry

[19:27:48]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

welcome to "civilization"

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Beirdo:

where killing someone's acceptable, but fucking them isn't

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Wonker:

very sad, 'cause I am much more keen on fucking then killing

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Beirdo:

as you should be :)

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Wonker:

its those damn Puritans

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Juski:

and the UK, where teenage pregnancy is worse than the rest of europe, we have no sex on telly (almost)

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Juski:

yet looking at France etc... where they show naked breasts in daytime adverts... they have less teenage sluts than we do... go figure

[19:29:29]

Beirdo:

just marry em off early like they used to

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Wonker:

does v19 use the same wire proto that 18.1 used?

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Juski:

Beirdo: that being the case, the age of marriage will have to be reduced to 11 or 12 :-/

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Juski:

Wonker: pretty much, but for the full lowdown you'll need to read a lot of sourcecode

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Beirdo:

where it used to be, Juski

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** Juski shudders **

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Beirdo:

yeah, it has downsides :)

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Beirdo:

but teen pregnancy wouldn't be an issue... they'd be married

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Wonker:

mmm

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Juski:

indeed

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Wonker:

dunno that being married solves the problem

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Wonker:

still too immature, young, undereducated (well, will be) and will end up poor

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Beirdo:

minor details :)

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Juski:

that's their own stupid lookout

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Juski:

actually no – if they can't get decent jobs they won't have anything better to do but make more kids

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Juski:

as they do now

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Wonker:

exactly

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Wonker:

it is the well off, well educated ppl who have few children

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Beirdo:

you could send them to underpopulated areas like northern Canada

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Beirdo:

likel they used to

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Juski:

or put them on peak-time weekend TV fighting each other to the death, like they used to :-)

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Beirdo:

that works too

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Juski:

once saw an episode of 'celebrity deathmatch' I wished was real

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Wonker:

I liked celebrity Jeopard ala SNL

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Wonker:

Damn, some of their funniest episodes ever

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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Wonker:

Can a v19 front-end talk to a v18.1 back end or vice versa?

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Beirdo:

no

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Wonker:

Sheet, I am never gonna upgrade

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Wonker:

sigh

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omry:

hi, is it possible to run mythtv without a capture card? (for on-disk video, music etc)

[19:38:40]

Wonker:

yes, but I expect there might be better solutions for that...

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Wonker:

but it totally utterly rocks with a capture card

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omry:

I am using freevo now, if that what you are thinking about. but I want to try mythtv as well.

[19:40:20]

omry:

last time I tried it (about a year ago), I didn't find a way to run it without a capture card.

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Wonker:

MM

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Wonker:

You *should* just be able to install the back-end without configuring a capture card. Mind you, haven't really tried it.

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Juski:

freevo? that still going?

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Juski:

a collection of cron jobs & webpages... nice

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omry:

well, it works. but nothing really happens there.

[19:43:01]

omry:

what is the recommanded installation method for debian?

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omry:

(for my needs)

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Juski:

omry: put a CD in the drive, boot the machine & install debian

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Wonker:

lol

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omry:

Juski, you are either funny, or missed me by a mile :)

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Juski:

.. or you forgot to say 'mythtv'

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Wonker:

there are pre-built deb out there for 18.1 (dunno about 19)

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Beirdo:

he was just answering your poorly worded question literally :)

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Wonker:

a little googling will track them down

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omry:

context! :)

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Wonker:

I Installed it on 2 diff debian machines that way

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Juski:

omry: you can't assume context in this channel

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

not even here, unfortunately

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omry:

I`ll remember that. :)

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stuarta:

you are just lucky it's not cartoon character friday!

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scopeuk:

and remember kids #mythtv-users is only avaliable in ontopic flavor 15% of the time(if your lucky)

[19:45:46]

omry:

Wonker, which debian flavor did you install on with the deb?

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Wonker:

omry, flavour?

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Juski:

jesus... and they say mythmusic sucks... http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ss/noia/freevo_ss5_640.jpg

[19:46:09]

Beirdo:

chocolate

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scopeuk:

sid/etch/sarge/woody

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omry:

Wonker, etch? sid?

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Wonker:

omry, ah, I see. Um, non really, very very mixed

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scopeuk:

nasty

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Wonker:

omry, one of the machines has been up for about 5 years, has everything and anything in it

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Wonker:

omry, custom kernels in both cases

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Beirdo:

Juski: I actually like the looks of that better than the standard mythmusic interface

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Wonker:

omry, one was unstable as of about a year ago, not really updated

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omry:

ah. so its probably testing now :)

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Juski:

Beirdo: yeh but we'll always be limited by what we can do with a remote control

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Beirdo:

suckers

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Beirdo:

I use a keyboard

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Beirdo:

:)

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Wonker:

Me too

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Juski:

a good mouse driven playlist editor would be nifty

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Wonker:

once of those small numeric-pad-less ones

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Wonker:

I think both of my debian machines are in the "350 packages not upgraded category" :)

[19:49:21]

scopeuk:

Wonker there that new?

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scopeuk:

debian unstable fresh to nuked in 2.5 seconds

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Juski:

oooo yeah... that's what I started at lunchtime... was gonna look at mythwebburn

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** scopeuk get alogn fine with debian untill stable had a broken boot menu editor and the damn thing kept removing xp at kernal upgrades (yes i know most ofyou whould consider that a feature not a bug) **

[19:50:37]

scopeuk:

Juski sounds fun

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Wonker:

scopeuk, I think that is all of em :) Except maybe gnuplot...

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Beirdo:

gnuplop

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Beirdo:

:)

[19:51:35]

** Juski thinks someone on the users list mis-spelled it **

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scopeuk:

me?

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Wonker:

its when you go to fix on package, and apt tells you "48 packages to be upgraded" and then half way through it asks if its ok to remove the kernel

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scopeuk:

no i dont use the mailing lists error correctios ntake to long

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Wonker:

and you, thinking you know what your doing, say ya sure and then realize you are on the wrong machine...

[19:52:14]

Juski:

no such ebuild... grrr

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ed-209:

could not load fw

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ed-209:

doh wrong chan

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scopeuk:

i like the messages on windows that basicaly say "whould you liek to allow unsolicited 3rd party remote acces to your pc for the purpose of accesing our website"

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Wonker:

ahd thank the heavens that you had another old kernel still installed "just in case" from 3 years ago

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scopeuk:

heh wonker my box currenty has 6 kernals witha backup bootable version of each

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scopeuk:

gotta get round to removign the damn things

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scopeuk:

convinence of automatic gru script generatos damn them to hell

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Juski:

ahh it's not a _proper_ ebuild,, that's why... :-(

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Juski:

sod that then

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Wonker:

I kinda like gnuplot; once spent 3 months (full time) writing a web app that used it heavily (scientific research app)

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Beirdo:

yeah, gnuplop is pretty sweet

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scopeuk:

hmm i wonder how hard it whould be to setup my myth box to automaticaly transcode my rcordigns and put them on my portable player for me hwo hard is it to creat divx compatable video with myth?

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Wonker:

PHP + C++ + MySQL + gnuplot

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Beirdo:

a bitch to learn though

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Wonker:

wierd combo, really

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xris:

scopeuk: nuvexport

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** scopeuk should learn c then maby hed be of some use to someone **

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scopeuk:

xris any ruff guess on how logn an hour whoulod take to transcode on a 433 celron?

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Wonker:

naw, gnuplot is not so bad, the manual is just a little .... archaic

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xris:

scopeuk: 5 minutes.

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scopeuk:

and the rest

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: #ilncdue <mian.h>?

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Wonker:

+ a couple of hourse

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scopeuk:

rtjpeg t divx

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xris:

scopeuk: ask a better question.. what resolution input and output, what bitrate, denoise on/off, one or two passes?

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scopeuk:

gardengnome something like that

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xris:

scopeuk: 5 minutes for one hour of encoding.. source image 320x240, dest image 32x24.

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Wonker:

scopeuk, A long time

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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Beirdo:

32x24 ;)

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Beirdo:

nice

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xris:

scopeuk: resolution/bitrate/denoise play a HUGE role in length of encoding.

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scopeuk:

320x240 – 320x240 rtjpeg to divx/xvid target of abotu 100 meg an hour

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scopeuk:

xris *NOD*

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scopeuk:

nto sure what bitrate that hwould be id have to play on my windows box first

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xris:

but if you want an example, my non-HT 2.4G p4 takes about 3.5 hours to encode a 30 minute (26 without commercials) 720x480 source video to 624x464 xvid with two passes and denoise.

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xris:

avg bitrate is 960kbps (default)

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scopeuk:

yeh so overnight and on for the morning is most likely out of the question

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xris:

and that'd be 23–24 minutes, not 26

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scopeuk:

spose i orta get adecent arial connection to the box first

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Wonker:

scopeuk, practially speaking, transcoding will be *slow*. OTOH, your machine got anything better to do overnight?

[20:01:12]

scopeuk:

id probably drop the two pass and denoise its only a little screen

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Wonker:

denoise should improve compression ratio

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scopeuk:

Wonker be quiet so i can sleep?

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Wonker:

lol

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xris:

scopeuk: probably smart. and outputting to 320x240 will make things 3–4x faster, too

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Wonker:

Put it in a box...

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scopeuk:

compresion vs having it done before the end ofthe week

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scopeuk:

so the point is give it a bash see how crap t looks and howmany weeks it takes then give up

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scopeuk:

spose i have mroe spare boxes i could devote so each machine onyl does a single show each

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xris:

I have a spare 3G p4 I have no idea what to do with

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xris:

can't seem to sell it.

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xris:

no real need for another machine that powerful. too loud for a mythbox

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scopeuk:

lol howmuch you want and what socket

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scopeuk:

xris not in my books lol or i sposemy duron could be demoted

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xris:

want to sell the whole machine, not just the cpu

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scopeuk:

argh how much?

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xris:

was hoping for $500–600

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xris:

but you're not exactly local

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Beirdo:

and shipping from Seattle

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Beirdo:

hehe

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scopeuk:

hang on your in the states so the shiping companies whould laugh at me

[20:06:01]

scopeuk:

beat me off the mark

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xris:

$60–100 minimum for shipping

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I'm thinking it'll just become my web/mail/file server, but my current p3 works fine for that.

[20:07:12]

scopeuk:

heh why push up your cooling and electric bills

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xris:

lives in my garage.

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Beirdo:

make it transcode video :)

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xris:

and electric isn't bad. that p4 takes 30w at idle... about the same as the two p3's doing web/file work now.

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scopeuk:

ntb then

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scopeuk:

my spare boxes live in my cupboard unfurtunately the fastest ones are 433 celrons

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scopeuk:

and they decend to a 75mhz cyrix

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polpak:

does anyone have any experience with cox digital cable?

[20:09:38]

polpak:

I'm wanting to know what my options are for setting up MythTV with their service

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scopeuk:

polpack if you wanan capture digicable youprety much have to use there box and frewire

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scopeuk:

although there may be compatable cards out there youll likly lose chanels to encryption

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Baylink:

*if* your carrier encrypts non-pay channels.

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polpak:

scopeuk, well the drawback there is that I a) can only record one channel at a time AND b) am not sure that their digital cable boxes are compatible

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Baylink:

You can tune QAM digital cable with several of the HDTV cards (see the wiki), but you're catch-as-catch-can from day to day what will be unencrypted.

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scopeuk:

polpak im prety sure national law in the us of a state they have to do firewire compatability

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polpak:

Baylink, QAM?

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polpak:

Baylink, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to AV stuff I'm afraid =p

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scopeuk:

when all else fails google "define:(term)"

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scopeuk:

define:term

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scopeuk:

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera& . . . amp;oe=utf-8

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Baylink:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

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ed-209:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Mar 30 15:18 /dev/video0 -> v4l/video0 <-- take that

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FinnTux:

anyone having problems with mythfrontend and debian unstable?

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FinnTux:

just upgraded debian and now mythfrontend crashes when browsing recorded programs

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

2006-03–30 14:36:45.137 RingBuf(/myth/store//1066_20060330143644.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/myth/store//1066_20060330143644.mpg'. 11 retries remaining.

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Ediehow:

?

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Niklas_E:

how do you set a password in mythweb? I tried htpasswd -c /path/.htpasswd username

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jasperbg:

then you need to set up an .htaccess file to point to that .htpasswd

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jasperbg:

incidentally, make sure requests to those urls (like http://yoursite/path/.htpasswd ) come back with 403 forbidden, otherwise you have no security

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jasperbg:

apache docs -> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/

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Niklas_E:

ok

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scopeuk:

jasta i was udner the impresion .filenames were not served up by apache at all

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gardengnome:

hashbang: i got the parts for my vga2rgb converter today and i've just assembled it loosely on some pcb. it was a breeze, thanks for help :) i'm gonna solder it together tomorrow and pray i won't blow up my TV

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jasta:

uhh

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hashbang:

gardengnome: no promises, but I think VGA cards and TVs must be fairly robust. I did just about everything wrong when I built mine.

[21:01:23]

jasta:

scopeuk: i dont think you were talking to me, but i can answer you: .htacess is not served by apache, but it is used by apache.

[21:01:35]

scopeuk:

my guess if all the hacked up leads me and my dad have conectedto various tvs in our time didentdetonate em you shouldent ave any problems

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jasperbg:

scopeuk: they will be but the default configuration on most distros is to have a FilesMatch with a Deny from all in it to stop them being served

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gardengnome:

hashbang: heh ;). well, what did you do wrong? did you connect the transistor in the wrong way?

[21:01:41]

D-side:

gardengnome: oh, it worked for you?

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gardengnome:

D-side: the RGB thing?

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hashbang:

gardengnome: I think I managed to get that bit right.

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gardengnome:

hashbang: i hope i did, too. the data sheet was a great help

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jasperbg:

scopeuk: some people like to delete half their httpd.conf and start again, which removes the FilesMatch, which means they will be served (just not shown in directory listings)

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hashbang:

gardengnome: I built it point to point, and didn't bother double-checking before soldering and plugging in.

[21:02:54]

gardengnome:

hashbang: heh. mine is really tiny, i'd expected it to be bigger. but at least it fits into a scart plug now

[21:03:16]

hashbang:

gardengnome: well done. I didn't want to run the risk of shorts, and I don't have any heatshrink...

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gardengnome:

i'd rock if i could use my laptop's i855gm for tv-out with that circuit

[21:03:56]

gardengnome:

hashbang: hot-melt adhesive fixes everything ;)

[21:04:16]

hashbang:

heh

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stuarta:

gaffa tape!

[21:04:36]

hashbang:

gardengnome: yes, hot glue considered useful for introducing structural strength.

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scopeuk:

hot glue rocks

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scopeuk:

unless you cover the floor in it then get burned as the stuff cools own not that any of us ahve everdone that

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scopeuk:

*halo*

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hashbang:

gardengnome: I think the worst things I did were a) forgetting the 100 ohm resistor on the VGA +5V line and b) forgetting the 68 ohm output resistor.

[21:06:30]

hashbang:

gardengnome: I pre-emptively replaced the transistor once I realised the latter mistake.

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stuarta:

and you didn't blow anything up?

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hashbang:

nope.

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hashbang:

yet, anyway.

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gardengnome:

how can you forget that? i mean, you had the blue prints?

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** hashbang looks embarassed. **

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gardengnome:

well, actually, i don't see any 100 ohm resistor here. why do you need that? to force the Tv into RGB mode?

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hashbang:

long day at work, spent a few hours case-hacking, then finished getting everything together about 1AM.

[21:09:07]

hashbang:

gardengnome: that's it. It limits the draw on the +5V line to something like 286mA, IIRC.

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gardengnome:

hashbang: nice, thanks. another thing to add to my notes :) BTW, is nexusuk.org your web site?

[21:09:58]

hashbang:

gardengnome: no, not mine.

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gardengnome:

hashbang: ok, just checking

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hashbang:

that /would/ be embarassing.

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gardengnome:

well, i thought windsurfing would get you the chicks.

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hashbang:

PUT DOWN THOSE OPS! YOU HAVE TWENTY SECONDS TO COMPLY!

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omry:

I am trying to build mythtv on debian etch. (the debs does not seem to be suitable for etch), what is the xorg dev package I need to install? (apt-cache search xorg dev ; finds nothing)

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gardengnome:

omry: maybe xlibs-dev or so.

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omry:

hmm, its seems like a transistion package.

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omry:

not sure I like to be using it.

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omry:

section: oldlibs

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omry:

hmm, its installed, actually.

[21:20:27]

omry:

I`ll give it a shot :)

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gardengnome:

omry: you could also take a look at the dependencies of the ubuntu packages, prolly

[21:20:54]

stuarta:

omry: think they are under the individual libs

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omry:

stuarta, what do you mean?

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stuarta:

libxt has libxt-dev etc etc etc

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omry:

seems to be installed also. I think xlibs-dev includes it,.

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hadees:

hello everyone

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hadees:

so who here uses xine for dvd and mythvideo playback?

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hadees:

i ran into an intresting problem, i don't have enough keys. Really i wish keys could diffrent things depending if it is a dvd or a avi, mpg, etc

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Niklas_E:

if you have mythweb in your homedir, do you need to change some permission?

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Agrajag-:

you need to read the README it tells you what you need to change permissions for

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DrBair:

how do I get the tv-out going on a pvr-150?

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kormoc:

there is no tvout on a pvr 150

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kormoc:

only the 350 has that feature

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kormoc:

but a nvidia card is a wonderful way to do tv out

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DrBair:

hmm, guess I'll be going the xbox frontend route

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** kormoc shrugs **

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DrBair:

I hear it looks rather nice

[22:12:05]

kormoc:

I've heard it's a real pain to setup tho, but yeah, once it's setup it's rather nice

[22:12:08]

Juski:

sounds pretty nasty... (fan whine)

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kormoc:

hello Juski, what's so funny?

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DrBair:

kormoc: ugh, don't tell me that

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Juski:

xbox is pretty slow too – only having 32MB of RAM available is a big limitation

[22:13:02]

kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

DrBair, if you decide to go with the backend as the frontend, I'd recommend the msi 6200 lp card, it's a fanless low profile card, that can handle hd and sd and any video files you toss at it, and it's quite cheap, at around $55 or so.

[22:13:59]

Juski:

xbmcmythtv is quite good – livetv doesn't work well enough to use but it's fantastic for watching recordings

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Juski:

fantastic, if you can live with the god-awful noise the fan makes and the frankly fugly looks of the casing

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AlexNeumanPTY:

Hi all, I've been looking at the Wiki/Archive/etc. and haven't found a lot of specific information about a particular setup I'd like to use... What would be the bare minimum recommended for 480p mpeg4 avi/mov playback?

[22:16:52]

AlexNeumanPTY:

the faqs say P4 2.4Ghz should be enough to watch HDTV

[22:17:11]

AlexNeumanPTY:

but I'd like to play back 480p and 720p videos on a plasma screen with the cheapest setup possible

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kormoc:

AlexNeumanPTY, how cheap?

[22:17:45]

AlexNeumanPTY:

cheap as possible, but no cheaper. No choppy playback on high-motion scenes, for example

[22:18:00]

AlexNeumanPTY:

would use a 7200rpm IDE or SATA drive (80gb approx), 8mb buffer

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kormoc:

you're really not going to want to go lower then 2.4 ghz then, just to be safe

[22:18:15]

AlexNeumanPTY:

ok

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AlexNeumanPTY:

how about video

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kormoc:

get a nice nvidia card, the 6200 should be fine, but a 6600 or 6800 would be better

[22:18:38]

AlexNeumanPTY:

so 6200 would be fine, 6800 would be best

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kormoc:

or even one of the cheaper 7xxx cards should be fine

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achew22:

GODDAMNIT!!!!!!!!! I FUCKING RECOMPILED MY KERNEL WITH MY DRIVER FOR AUDIO AND IT DIDN'T TAKE!

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AlexNeumanPTY:

anyways,

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kormoc:

there are no gains with 64 bit over 32 bit with just video playback right now

[22:20:00]

kormoc:

if you're going to be exporting videos and reencoding and all that, 64 bit is faster

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I'd be encoding separately

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AlexNeumanPTY:

the setup would be like this

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I have an uncle who has a small plasma tv shop

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AlexNeumanPTY:

and he just hooks up dvd players to the plasma displays

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I'd like to take, say, quicktime trailers in 480p/720p

[22:22:51]

AlexNeumanPTY:

load them up on the HD

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AlexNeumanPTY:

hard disk I mean :)

[22:23:03]

AlexNeumanPTY:

and then just loop them over and over

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kormoc:

it might be easier to just use mplayer for that

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AlexNeumanPTY:

ok

[22:23:18]

AlexNeumanPTY:

just mplayer

[22:23:23]

AlexNeumanPTY:

but then again

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AlexNeumanPTY:

cpu-video wise

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AlexNeumanPTY:

2.4ghz/nv6200 is the bare minimum you'd recommend?

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kormoc:

I have a script that scans my music video directory, gets a play list of all the files, and plays them in loop mode, full screen.

[22:23:54]

kormoc:

myth isn't really designed to work that way.

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AlexNeumanPTY:

that would be great

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AlexNeumanPTY:

the ideal setup would be something like that

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kormoc:

let me see if I have my script...

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AlexNeumanPTY:

I could even modify the script so that every time someone pops in an external usb2 hard disk or flash drive, it would copy/sync a specific folder

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AlexNeumanPTY:

and then take it from there

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/musicvideos.sh

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kormoc:

3 line script, very simple :)

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hadees:

i ran into an intresting problem, i don't have enough keys. Really i wish keys could diffrent things depending if it is a dvd or a avi, mpg, etc

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hadees:

oops

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AlexNeumanPTY:

thanks... let me look at it...

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AlexNeumanPTY:

does mplayer work with quicktime?

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Fredde87:

how do I watch something that is being recorded?

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GreyFoxx:

just go to Watch Recordings and pick the inprogress recording

[22:43:16]

Fredde87:

its not showing up there

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RaYmAn-Bx:

has anyone else experienced wrong ordering in the browse listing in livetv?

[22:43:36]

Fredde87:

thats the problem :/ its only showing shows from yesterday. But if I go to watch tv it will say that it is recording

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dscoular:

Fredde87: the sort order is user definable... are you sure your in-progress recording isn't somewhere in the list ?

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Fredde87:

just installed myth yesterday so there is only two recordings there :/

[22:45:57]

Fredde87:

Im pretty sure unless there is a filter to hide stuff currently being recorded

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dscoular:

So are you sure you have an "in-progress" recording currently happening ?

[22:46:26]

Fredde87:

yes

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RaYmAn-Bx:

dscoular: I guess the first part was for me? I've set the sort order correctly (as far as I can tell)..it's correct in the tvguide (and if I change the ordering setting it changes in the tv guide)

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Fredde87:

I got it to show up but the problem was as I had expected. Seen this bug before, if I have something recorded it will not show anything else that is being recorded. When I delete the two recordings from yesterday it showed the one in progress :S

[22:47:30]

dscoular:

RaymAn-Bx: no my answer was all for Fredde87.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

oh, just didn't see him say anything about sort order so got confused, you know :P

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dscoular:

RaYmAn-Bx: np

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dscoular:

Fredde87: is your frontend/backend on the same single machine ?

[22:49:32]

Fredde87:

yes

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dscoular:

Fredde87: what version of mythtv ?

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Fredde87:

0.19-fixes

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dscoular:

Ah... ok... 0.19-fixes is volatile

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abarbaccia:

so i was thinking of a way to suspend the backend when its not doing anything and to wake it when it has a recording

[22:51:17]

abarbaccia:

if you have WOL it would work nicely

[22:51:27]

Fredde87:

it is? For me it has been the most stable myth version so far... except for a few bugs

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Fredde87:

this is the first time Ive justed myth and not received segmation faults once a day

[22:52:12]

abarbaccia:

would anybody be interested in having that feature? computer goes to sleep when its not doing anything – wakes when it has a recording?

[22:52:14]

RaYmAn-Bx:

abarbaccia: some motherboards also has time based automatic wakeup..that can be set through /dev/nvram in some way (there are tools for it)

[22:52:43]

dscoular:

Fredde87: 0.19-fixes is work in progress towards 0.19.1

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the biggest issue with it is the inability to schedule recordings when the backend is off...

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abarbaccia:

RaYmAn-Bx: that doesn't help much if you have a recording

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Fredde87:

yeah I know, but I am happy with it... Excellent progress by everyone involved with developming myth

[22:53:15]

abarbaccia:

RaYmAn-Bx: how do you figure? if you have WOL enabled the backend would wake up as soon as you went to use a frontend

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dscoular:

Fredde87: 0.19-fixes can at times be broken as they progress towards 0.19.1

[22:53:55]

RaYmAn-Bx:

abarbaccia: well, like, through mythweb for example...I guess I'm thinking too much of my own setup with a single combined backend/frontend

[22:54:01]

Fredde87:

of course, I wasnt expecting it to be bug free :)

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abarbaccia:

RaYmAn-Bx: no, that's still not a problem

[22:54:25]

abarbaccia:

if you go to connect to that machine, it should wake up from sleep on the lan request

[22:54:36]

abarbaccia:

do you have WOL on your motherboard enabled?

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abarbaccia:

WOL = wake on lan

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RaYmAn-Bx:

iirc you have to send a special WOL packet to turn on the machine..not just any lan traffic directed at the IP

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abarbaccia:

RaYmAn-Bx: then maybe i didn't know that...butttt i will do a little test

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abarbaccia:

RaYmAn-Bx: if its as simple as a ping it still can be done pretty easily ya kno

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's a special packet that you broadcast that contains the ethernet address of the machine that should wakeup

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achew22:

abarbaccia, how much are you getting from monolithmc.com to put their ads on your site?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

at least, that's how it was last time I looked into it (which admittedly is a few years back)

[22:56:26]

abarbaccia:

achew22: nothing – they are both my sites ;-)

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

that makes sense

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abarbaccia:

hahaha

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achew22:

hey — your the master of ubuntu myth... you can do whatever the hell you please

[22:57:57]

abarbaccia:

achew22: thanks – i wouldn't say master – i just like mythtv and really like ubuntu

[22:58:05]

dscoular:

abarbaccia: http://wiki.tuxbox.org/Etherwake

[22:58:08]

abarbaccia:

i still have a way to come as far as the guide goes

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achew22:

i'm this close to dumping gentoo

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abarbaccia:

achew22: well, with breezy setup is VERY easy

[22:58:42]

achew22:

I have cds sitting on my box for ubuntu... they even have labes and everything

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achew22:

the thing that pisses me off is that I finaly got everything but audio working and I can't seem to get that

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abarbaccia:

don't dump it till June – and wait for the guide update – its seriously 1000x easier

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achew22:

okay

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abarbaccia:

no compiling lirc, it'll have mythtv 0.19 in the universe, no more alias file editing, or modprobe bullshit

[22:59:46]

abarbaccia:

its like ivtv – configure make install – DONE

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abarbaccia:

apt-get install lirc – DONE

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

are you going to get your binaries in the multi list

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abarbaccia:

like it took me 20 minutes to get my myth box working on dapper

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abarbaccia:

my binaries?

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achew22:

your not going to make the deb files?

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abarbaccia:

nope... someone else owns the packages

[23:01:12]

abarbaccia:

as long as they dont butcher them i'm not gonna touch them – he's been doing a good job so faar (whoever you are)

[23:01:15]

achew22:

I agree its really easy to setup... I got a box working from scratch in 80 min

[23:01:44]

achew22:

but I haven't gotten lirc working in ANY situation and thats teh thing that kills me... I love remote controls and I have 3 serial adapters

[23:01:54]

abarbaccia:

what remote?

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achew22:

generic remote

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abarbaccia:

how do u do the signals

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abarbaccia:

lirc with serial adapter?

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achew22:

lirc?

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achew22:

yeah

[23:02:37]

achew22:

serial adapter > lirc > keypress

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abarbaccia:

alright...and do you have it setup to use the correct serial port and have you gotten signals?

[23:03:02]

abarbaccia:

achew22: yuk – why keypress?!! i hope you're using myth's built in lirc control and not that other garbage

[23:03:02]

achew22:

do your "monolith mc" boxes have ir?

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abarbaccia:

yeah

[23:03:09]

abarbaccia:

everything you need

[23:03:11]

abarbaccia:

all ready to go

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achew22:

is it external? or is it built into the box?

[23:03:23]

abarbaccia:

oh, external

[23:03:40]

abarbaccia:

its just a small little circle with double sided tape to apply to wherever

[23:03:44]

achew22:

thats a sexy box by the way

[23:03:50]

achew22:

whats it called?

[23:04:00]

abarbaccia:

i think its better that way – put the unit in the cabinet out of the way

[23:04:05]

abarbaccia:

its the asus pundit

[23:04:25]

abarbaccia:

they are coming out wiht a new one with enough power for HD i think....problem is the ATI vid card won't handle the stream i don't think

[23:04:30]

achew22:

wow... those are 20% of the cost....

[23:04:48]

achew22:

do they have mobo and stuff built in?

[23:04:53]

abarbaccia:

oh yeah

[23:05:16]

abarbaccia:

mb + audio + video + spdif optical audio

[23:05:20]

abarbaccia:

all working in linux

[23:05:29]

achew22:

are they fast enough to do firewire?

[23:05:40]

abarbaccia:

capture of HD?

[23:05:53]

achew22:

is that what firewire is?

[23:05:57]

abarbaccia:

well of corse the firewire is fast enough to grab the stream – they have SATA drives

[23:06:09]

achew22:

can it decode them?

[23:06:15]

abarbaccia:

well, firewire is a way of grabbing mpeg2 streams from the cable box

[23:06:17]

abarbaccia:

SD ones it can

[23:06:20]

abarbaccia:

HD – no chance

[23:06:44]

achew22:

you should produce a pci card that decodes mpeg streams but doesn't suck like the 350

[23:06:50]

abarbaccia:

i got a sempron 2800+ with nvidia + XvMC + 1G Ram and i can't decode HD

[23:06:57]

achew22:

do you put 150s in the box?

[23:07:03]

abarbaccia:

yes

[23:07:07]

achew22:

how many?

[23:07:16]

abarbaccia:

1 or 2 depending on deluxe or basic

[23:07:21]

achew22:

cool

[23:07:32]

abarbaccia:

deluxe has DVD burning too

[23:07:35]

achew22:

your going to get angry customers when they realise that they don't have cc

[23:07:36]

abarbaccia:

and its a full ubuntu system

[23:07:45]

achew22:

is the not delux not ubuntu?

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, your setup should be able to do hd perfectly fine

[23:07:49]

abarbaccia:

cc = cable card?

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kormoc:

abarbaccia, have you tried without XvMC?

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achew22:

abarbaccia yep

[23:08:07]

abarbaccia:

yeah – kormoc its the sempron processor

[23:08:09]

abarbaccia:

not enough cache

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abarbaccia:

cpu = 90%

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abarbaccia:

watchable

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achew22:

abarbaccia you stole my name

[23:08:23]

abarbaccia:

but OSD kills it

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abarbaccia:

andrew?

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achew22:

yes

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abarbaccia:

its a good one

[23:08:41]

abarbaccia:

tell the parents i approve

[23:08:47]

achew22:

meh...

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abarbaccia:

but hey – i gotta get to the gym – i'll be back later – i'm going to try to tackle more dapper updates

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nosun:

yeah I get static on my capcard

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nosun:

trying to find out what next:P

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achew22:

kormoc will you help me with my audio card

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abarbaccia:

btw, no devices off cablecard without SERIOUS drm restrictions which suck

[23:10:46]

nosun:

using the kdetv though

[23:10:56]

abarbaccia:

im saying DELETING shows when they stop airing for that week, or after you watch them once

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WHiTE^^BOX:

hey all

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kormoc:

achew22, well, first of all, don't use alsa-driver if you're gonna use the kernel alsa driver

[23:11:15]

achew22:

abarbaccia what kind of video out do you get

[23:11:23]

achew22:

kormoc okay, what do I do then?

[23:11:28]

abarbaccia:

on my monolith devices?

[23:11:33]

achew22:

yeah

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abarbaccia:

svideo, composite, and dvi

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kormoc:

achew22, unmerge alsa-drivers

[23:11:53]

achew22:

but it isn't seeing my cards when I do cat /proc/asound/cards

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achew22:

abarbaccia I would only buy your box if it had component

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kormoc:

then you didn't compile in the correct kernel driver for your sound card

[23:12:22]

abarbaccia:

why would you want component? use DVI and stay digitla

[23:12:32]

achew22:

okay... there are only 2 usb drivers and I picked both

[23:12:36]

achew22:

abarbaccia I don't have dvi on my tv

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kormoc:

not everyone has component tvs

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kormoc:

achew22, you sure your sound card is supported?

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abarbaccia:

svideo works too

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abarbaccia:

if you are trying to do HD, DVI is the way to go

[23:13:04]

abarbaccia:

if not, svideo

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kormoc:

component supports hd, svideo doesn't afaik

[23:13:10]

achew22:

i thought it was... it was on the list http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

[23:13:10]

abarbaccia:

right

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kormoc:

achew22, what sound card?

[23:13:31]

abarbaccia:

so some older TVs dont have DVI but have component – if you want HD buy the 20 dollar converter from radio shack

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kormoc:

dvi to component is more then $20 last I looked

[23:14:01]

achew22:

no — dvi to rgb is $20

[23:14:11]

kormoc:

component is rgb...

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abarbaccia:

there are cheap versions and expensive ones

[23:14:20]

achew22:

no — I need ypbpr

[23:14:20]

abarbaccia:

both do the same shit

[23:14:38]

abarbaccia:

oh – whatever – that's on you – buy a new TV lol!

[23:14:45]

abarbaccia:

32" LCD – - – 800

[23:14:53]

kormoc:

ybvpr isn't component I thought

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achew22:

dude... i'm not giving up my 62' tv

[23:15:11]

achew22:

nVidia Corporation MCP2S AC'97 Audio Controller is my card

[23:15:26]

kormoc:

achew22, "Both DVI/HDMI and Component Video deliver signals as discrete red, green, and blue color components"

[23:15:31]

kormoc:

achew22, http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html

[23:15:41]

achew22:

hdmi is just dvi with audio

[23:15:43]

nosun:

kdetv is making static but it don't seem like its coming from the cap cards?

[23:15:48]

nosun:

any thoughts?

[23:16:00]

kormoc:

achew22, and that's a usb sound card?

[23:16:01]

nosun:

the damn antenna don't do shit:S

[23:16:13]

achew22:

kormoc I have 2

[23:16:18]

nosun:

I might just try out mythtv and see if they function on it

[23:16:18]

nosun:

:P

[23:16:23]

kormoc:

achew22, then what's the one you want to get working?

[23:16:24]

achew22:

thats the one I would prefer to include, but I tried to get both working

[23:16:36]

kormoc:

achew22, http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?ve . . . vidia#matrix

[23:16:44]

WHiTE^^BOX:

hmm.. when im trying to play a dvd with myth.. it chooses the wrong audio track :/

[23:16:58]

WHiTE^^BOX:

the audio track with commentary :/

[23:16:58]

kormoc:

achew22, notice the color, and look at the key, that card is unknown if it works or not

[23:17:10]

WHiTE^^BOX:

any idea's how to fix this?

[23:17:19]

achew22:

white.... I don't see anything for white

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kormoc:

achew22, look at it this way, it's not red, nor is it green

[23:17:58]

achew22:

so its grey

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WHiTE^^BOX:

are there any settings.. so a when playing a dvd.. it must choose for dutch subtitle and english audio (without commentary)?

[23:18:13]

kormoc:

in other words, noone has looked into it

[23:18:22]

kormoc:

so chances are it won't work, as you're proof of

[23:18:24]

achew22:

okay... can you tell me why it worked in ubuntu

[23:18:39]

kormoc:

cause ubuntu uses the nvidia specific drivers?

[23:18:50]

achew22:

can gentoo do that?

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kormoc:

sure, if you tell it to, but I'm not gonna walk you though that, I have work to do, and you have google to help you out

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achew22:

kormoc any specific search terms I should use

[23:20:02]

kormoc:

perhaps linux nforce audio?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

and.. when trying to import a dvd it complanes about: cannot connect to transcoding daemon :/

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achew22:

kormoc, i'm going to get a svn version of mythtv — should I unmerge the mythtv that I have emerged

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xris:

achew22: yes

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xris:

well, unless you're using an ebuild of svn

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achew22:

xirs: can I run emerge --unmerge myth*

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** xris doesn't know how to use emerge **

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achew22:

ohh...

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achew22:

nevermind

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kormoc:

emerge --unmerge mythtv

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achew22:

will that get all the plugins?

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kormoc:

no

[23:30:06]

achew22:

do I have to get them individualy?

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kormoc:

yes

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achew22:

so emerge --unmerge mythtv mythtv-themes mythbrowser mythdvd mythgame mythgallery mythmusic mythnews mythvideo mythweather mythweb

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AngryElf:

so, let's say my bigguest hard disc, isn't big enough for my myth recordings.......how would i go about bridging two hard discs together?

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dscoular:

AngryElf: you could use unionfs or lvm.

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achew22:

AngryElf you could mount both in the same folder

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AngryElf:

you can do that? mount both in the same folder, how do the files get distributed?

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achew22:

so if your drive is /dev/hdb and your myth dir is /myth/rec it would be mount /dev/hdb /myth/rec

[23:35:14]

achew22:

AngryElf linux is very smart — when it runs out of room it will move on

[23:35:47]

achew22:

well... smart as computers go

[23:35:58]

achew22:

linux aint got nothing on stephen hawking

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AngryElf:

any any FS type can do that?

[23:36:21]

achew22:

that guy has ivtv modules .12.6 compiled in his head

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dscoular:

AngryElf: unionfs will let you mount both disks in the same folder.

[23:36:59]

AngryElf:

i'd rather not convert a 200gb drive to a different fs if i didn't have to

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xris:

AngryElf: you don't really have other options.

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xris:

that's why most distros these days format drives with lvm enabled by default, in case you want to expand later.

[23:38:02]

achew22:

lvm is sexy...

[23:38:07]

achew22:

what distro are you using?

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AngryElf:

ubuntu

[23:38:23]

achew22:

hahahah

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achew22:

one min leme point you to a tutorial

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mocker:

xris: Can you tell me a little more about the mythweb management interface you were talking about?

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dscoular:

AngryElf: you don't have to convert anything with unionfs

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xris:

mocker: which part?

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achew22:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html go to section 9.5

[23:39:11]

mocker:

xris: My first goal is to get a list of upcoming recordings for tonight.

[23:39:18]

mocker:

In a simple text output (no markup)

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xris:

mocker: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=1852

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dscoular:

AngryElf: or you could simply sym link to your older recordings on the other disk.

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xris:

mocker: pure text will be possible once I finish the perl hooks for libmyth for .20... until then, copy-paste from mythweb is your best bet.

[23:40:25]

mocker:

I'm going to text2speech it and play it back on my asterisk system

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xris:

mocker: why not just use mythphone?

[23:40:50]

mocker:

Because I've already got asterisk setup to a DID.

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achew22:

to a did?

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xris:

mythphone uses asterisk

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achew22:

it uses sip

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xris:

the vxml stuff in mythphone is asterisk, from what I was told.

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xris:

unfortunately, the vxml stuff didn't get updated for .19.

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mocker:

Hrm.

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achew22:

my toung feels corroded....

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dscoular:

AngryElf: http://www.unionfs.org/

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xris:

achew22: it's more than just webphone stuff

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mocker:

So I'll probably just scrape out the info from mythweb then.

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mocker:

It's either that, or disect the database..

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AngryElf:

lvm is probably my best bet for the long run?

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xris:

mythweb .18 has an entire vxml navigation system for browsing mythweb via the phone

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xris:

as in phone menus with keypresses, not wml/wap stuff.

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dscoular:

AngryElf: lvm would require you migrating the data methinks.

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mocker:

xris: Seriously?

[23:43:02]

xris:

yes

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mocker:

But that's not included in .19?

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AngryElf:

right now there's nothing in my database so i doubt it'd a big deal....

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dscoular:

AngryElf: also be aware that you are making your system twice as vulnerable to disk death.

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xris:

had to remove it in .19 because the guy who wrote it didn't upgrade it when I changed the theme template setup

[23:43:36]

xris:

not enough interest, or something.

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AngryElf:

dscoular, why's that?

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dscoular:

AngryElf: unionfs doesn't have the same drawback.

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achew22:

xris... thats awesome

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achew22:

AngryElf most systems have lvm on them

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dscoular:

AngryElf: If you have a logical volume spanning 2 disks and one fails you lose all the data.

[23:44:44]

dscoular:

AngryElf: the alternative is to use lvm raid 5.

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dscoular:

AngryElf: if one disk fails under unionfs you still have the data intact from the other disk.

[23:45:23]

AngryElf:

dscoular, you said i wouldn't have to convert with unionfs?

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xris:

dscoular: nice they added that raid stuff. I should look into upgrading my setup at some point

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dscoular:

AngryElf: I think making manual symlinks is the easiest solution if you are not comfortable with unionfs or lvm.

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dscoular:

AngryElf: yes, unionfs is a stackable filesystem... no need to convert anything.

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AngryElf:

well then i'll get comfortable

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dscoular:

AngryElf: good plan

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dscoular:

AngryElf: personally, I do the sym link thing... I'm lazy.

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achew22:

I think the real solution is to upgrade from linux to windows 3.1

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xris:

achew22: nah. 24 port SATA RAID card and a pile of 500G drives. :)

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achew22:

that would be amazing

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AlexNeumanPTY:

Hi... I've noticed Myth might be more than what I need for a specific situation... Anybody here know any good distro that boots off CF or CD and just plays anything it finds in a specific folder that would work with 480p or 720p video?

[23:55:43]

achew22:

you could write your own?

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AngryElf:

dscoular, so the two filesystems, of whatever type, get mounted into their own directory, then unionfs mounts the two directories into one?

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dtm:

AlexNeumanPTY: there's a distro for that. i forgot the name.

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dtm:

AlexNeumanPTY: you might google or check distrowatch.org

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Agrajag-:

i think perhaps http://geexbox.org/en/start.html

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achew22:

that would do it

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