Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, March 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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imperfect-:

IM asking?

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Nothingman:

are you

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kormoc:

the tuner needs to be in a backend, yes, but not every backend requires a card

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Nothingman:

that's fantastic?

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kormoc:

although, a backend without a tuner card seems rather useless

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Nothingman:

kormoc: you didn't explain what you meant by the sound card being "configured properly"

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kormoc:

Nothingman, when the capture playback channel is muted, the card can be used to capture the audio without it being heard, your card can't seem to do that.

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mchou:

kormoc: what kind of dope you smokin'? By definition a backend must have a capture source like a card or firewire

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xris:

mchou: huh? doesn't have to

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kormoc:

mchou, I had a backend with 0 capture cards in it before, when I was playing with getting cards working, it didn't seem to mind

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Nothingman:

mchou: one can serve as a file server, for example

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xris:

mchou: like he said.. silly not to have one, but there's nothing that says it needs to have one.

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ip_goat_rodeo:

nothing worth recording on japanese tv

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mchou:

Nothingman: serving as file server is not a myth backend

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ip_goat_rodeo:

vast expanses of crap

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xris:

mchou: doesn't make your statement correct

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mchou:

xris: bullshit. Try running mythbackend w/o a capture source.

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xris:

mchou: I do all the time when testing stuff

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achew22:

157 more things to emerge.... yay

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mchou:

xris: testing what?

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xris:

capture cards

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Nothingman:

kormoc: I tried setting that (as before), but it's still coming out of my speakers; muting PCM kills it (along with all sound)

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mchou:

lol

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xris:

as in, removing the card, starting the backend, etc.

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xris:

accidentally removed all of my cards when playing with dvb-s stuff.. backend worked fine

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kormoc:

mchou, when I was testing the air2pc, I wanted to get the slave backend running before I got the card, so I did, and it worked fine.

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mchou:

xris: emoving the card doesnt mean the card was not defined in the db.

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mchou:

removing*

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xris:

mchou: removing the card from mythtv-setup removes it from the db.

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xris:

there was a bug in mythtv-setup where "remove" on a slave backend removed ALL cards, not just the ones for that machine.

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achew22:

ohh that would be very angrying

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mchou:

xris: I'm not referring to that bug

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xris:

mchou: neither am I.

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xris:

I'm just saying that's what caused the lack of a card.

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xris:

but if you don't believe me, listen to kormoc... works fine without a card configured. doesn't DO anything, but it does run.

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mchou:

xris: kormoc has zip credibility afaiac

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kormoc:

yeah, proved him wrong too many times.

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mchou:

chutt has said the programmatic test for backend is wheter a capture source is defined for the host

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corpix:

damn it i wonder why it takes hours to scan for channels, i went out and saw that a bird put a large shit on my dish, must be the bird flue!

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kormoc:

imperfect-, so, did you try running a backend without a card?

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mchou:

kormoc: right.

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kormoc:

mchou, point it out in the source.

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mchou:

kormoc: only in your dreams

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** kormoc tends to dream about plesant things **

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imperfect-:

kormoc : Know... just idling wondering...

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wega_:

so i have a working lircd.conf (as verified by irw) and I have what I want for now in ~/.mythtv/lircrc, but i have yet to get mythtv to respond to key presses.... anyone out there have some advice?

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corpix:

wega_, mythtv is enabled with lirc support ?

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wega_:

i believe so

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wega_:

corpix how can i be sure?

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corpix:

gentoo ?

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wega_:

fc4 to your dismay oi am sure

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wega_:

hey

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kormoc:

the output of mythfrontend will tell you

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wega_:

i dont see anything in the output about it

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wega_:

so i guess not

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kormoc:

you might need to use --verbose lirc

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wega_:

like "mythfrontend --verbose lirc &"

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wega_:

?

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kormoc:

don't use the &

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kormoc:

but yeah

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wega_:

it says that is an unkown argument "--verbose lirc"

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hubcap:

if I try to watch live tv or record a show all I get is a blank screen for a minute then it goes back to the main screen, any ideas? I'm running the 64bit version of FC 4

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

wega_, you can try all instead

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wega_:

instead of lirc?

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kormoc:

wega_, it will output a ton, but it will defently have what you need

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kormoc:

yeah

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wega_:

sure thing

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wega_:

ok nothing in there about lirc

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kormoc:

Yeah, I'd say that would indicated lirc isn't there

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wega_:

kormoc, what to do about that?

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corpix:

recompile

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kormoc:

yeah, as a gentoo user, recompile is always the answer :P

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corpix:

;)

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wega_:

man

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wega_:

well this was all yummed

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kormoc:

but for fedora, maybe there's a rpm with lirc support somewhere

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wega_:

i got all the dependencies for it think

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** ip_goat_rodeo learned everything there is to know about gentoo from funroll-loops.org **

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corpix:

wega_, dependencies isnt the issue , your mythtv doesnt know "lirc"

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Nothingman:

OK, so still looking for a reason I get garbage on my remote frontend's recordings menu

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wega_:

in lircrc should i use "program = irxevent" or mythtv

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kormoc:

ip_goat_rodeo, funrool-loops.org is the lowest of the low in the gentoo community :)

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kormoc:

wega_, mythtv is what I used

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wega_:

i use mythtv too

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Kelerion:

wega at the beginning of (or near the beginning) of mythfrontend -v all.. does it mention a "socket" not being found?

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hubcap:

you can get lirc from atrpms

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wega_:

yes i was just about to say that klerion

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Kelerion:

then it knows about lirc

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wega_:

good!

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Nothingman:

kormoc: thanks so far for the help; found an unselected "Capture" slider in Gnome's mixer app that muting killed the sound

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kormoc:

heh, that's the line I was hoping was there

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kormoc:

Nothingman, no problems.

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kormoc:

Nothingman, I knew it was there somewhere :)

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Nothingman:

heh

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Kelerion:

it's not a very self-evident line

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Nothingman:

yeah

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I've used FreeBSD ports for 10 years, I'm entitled to get a chuckle at funroll-loops.org

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kormoc:

it does say lirc in the line itself, doesn't it?

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wega_:

i know:-)

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wega_:

no

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kormoc:

ooh, my mistake, I thought it did

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wega_:

kormoc the line is "mythtv: could not connect socket"

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kormoc:

huh

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Kelerion:

nah.. just mentions a socket

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corpix:

i'm gone, see ya.

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corpix:

;)

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** kormoc waves **

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wega_:

bye

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wega_:

so why can't it connect to the socket?

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Kelerion:

because lirc isn't setup right

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kormoc:

permissions or lircd isn't running?

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wega_:

if irw works

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wega_:

ok that makes since

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wega_:

i cant "/sbin/service lircd start" as mythuser

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kormoc:

well, you won't start it as the user

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kormoc:

it should be started as root, and the permissions should allow the user to connect to the socket

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wega_:

ok

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wega_:

how do i set it up to do that at startup?

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wega_:

~/.kde/Autostart/myth-load.sh ??

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kormoc:

no, this whould be a system service, I donno how to do that with fedora

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wega_:

hmmm ok

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wega_:

pretty sure i could find out on google using the words "system service"?

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kormoc:

perhaps

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wega_:

ok i will give it a shot

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kormoc:

or just ask in #fedora how do I start lirc on boot

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wega_:

sure thing, just seems that you are nicer and more patient than others on irc

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Anduin:

make an init script

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hubcap:

if you go to server settings then to services..lirc should be listed there

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kormoc:

heh, thanks

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hubcap:

just make sure there's a check mark next to it and it'll start when you boot your machine

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wega_:

wow thanks!

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hubcap:

:)

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wega_:

you were right! no check mark

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wega_:

awesome

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wega_:

<3

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lars-ut:

Anybody know of a codec test archive or CD? Something that had a collection of several files encoded in diverse ways & resolutions?

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lars-ut:

would be good to test out playback

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wega_:

hubcap, kormoc, and kelerion: thanks so much for your help, it was nothing to you but everything to me, thanks for not being selfish with knowledge

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kormoc:

your quite welcome

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wega_:

seriously thanks

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Kelerion:

anytime

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golly:

hi all.... anyone digital PAL people on today who could recommend a HD card that works well with mythTV?

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xris:

golly: you'll likely want to specify dvb c, s or t

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Agrajag-:

golly: i have 2 visionplus dvb-t cards that work fine, they have crappy tuners though

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Juski:

leadtek dtv-1000 (lr6650) isn't bad, but linux drivers are a little buggy (think hauppauge nova-t)

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Agrajag-:

golly: you might want to read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/152257

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Juski:

ooo I can see one advantage to getting Freesat – we'll be able to get Tyne Tees TV in this house & get 'proper' local programming... being ex-pats of NE England that'd be handy

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golly:

xris: where would I find out what's the difference/benefits of dvb c , s, or t?

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Juski:

DVB-C is digital cable

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Juski:

DVB-S is satellite, DVB-T is terrestrial (i.e. through local TV transmitters)

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golly:

great

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Nothingman:

OK, not able to connect to my mysql daemon from another comp

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Juski:

benefits of DVB-C & dvb-s are usually you get many more channels than with dvb-t – but – they might not be available in your part of the world, and even if they are, may be encrypted in propriatary formats

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Nothingman:

nmap <my host's ip> shows mysqld and mythtv as services

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Nothingman:

any help on that?

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Nothingman:

it's causing garbage on my wireless, and the other machine won't start mythfrontend at all (brings up mythtv-setup)

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j-rod:

Nothingman, did you do a GRANT for your mythtv user from the network? By default, only localhost can connect.

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j-rod:

Example: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"10.0.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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Kelerion:

Nothingman: I'd bet your mysql is bound to localhost network access only.. check mysql.cnf

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achew22:

wow... the less command is a great command!

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kali67:

is there a utility to extract embedded captions from a Mythtv recorded mpeg2 recording ?

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achew22:

this is nifty... I have command line wikipedia access :D

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Nothingman:

the grant didn't work

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j-rod:

Nothingman, did you replace 10.0.1. with the first three octets of your own network?

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j-rod:

also, 'flush privileges;' after the grant for good measure

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Nothingman:

j-rod: yes, and yes to flush privileges

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achew22:

kormoc are you here?

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Nothingman:

will I have to restart mysql after changing my.cnf?

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achew22:

yes

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Nothingman:

alrighty

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Nothingman:

have

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achew22:

nothingman type "/etc/init.d/mysql restart" as a user with root

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achew22:

kormoc I need you man... i need you!

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Nothingman:

achew, got that

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Nothingman:

what line do I change in my.cnf?

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Nothingman:

I tried changing "bind-address" but now I get nothing on the remote comp

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Nothingman:

or the localhost

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j-rod:

comment out the bind-address altogether

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j-rod:

then it should listen on all interfaces

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Nothingman:

OK

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Nothingman:

works again, but still getting garbage on the remote frontend's recordings menu

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Nothingman:

for the record, playing music or videos from the same remote frontend works fine

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j-rod:

and does it work locally in all cases?

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j-rod:

if not, possible db corruption

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Nothingman:

yes, it does

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Nothingman:

though this one crashes when it grabs the sound card

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j-rod:

okay, are you by chance running two different versions of mysql?

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Nothingman:

c'est possible

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j-rod:

I've seen much badness mixing mysql4 and 5

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kormoc:

achew22, hihi?

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Nothingman:

the man pages show "distribution 4.0.24"

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Nothingman:

for both machines

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j-rod:

huh

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j-rod:

I'm out of ideas atm. :)

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Nothingman:

son of a biscuit

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Nothingman:

is there a timeout setting I can change for mysqld?

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j-rod:

none that I know of that should be causing that problem

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j-rod:

esp. since you just bounced mysqld

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Nothingman:

I noticed the frontend only gets a small portion of what the SELECT statement gives on the local comp

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kormoc:

Nothingman, might want to query it from the command line interface on the remote computer

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Nothingman:

kormoc: tried that, gives an error on the host argument

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achew22:

kormoc, the compile finished, what should I do now?

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kormoc:

achew22, copy the bzImage to /boot, make modules_install, reemerge any modules (nvidia/ati, lirc, vmware, etc) and reboot

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Nothingman:

what would the command line for connecting to a remote host be? (I know I've done it before following the mysql tutorial and setting up mythtv)

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j-rod:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -h your.master.backend mythconverg

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achew22:

kormoc where is bzimage?

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kormoc:

arch/i368/boot/bzImage usually

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

368 processor ;)

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achew22:

kormoc, when I get to /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot there isn't a bzimage file... there is a script called install.sh... is that what I should run

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Nothingman:

OK so that works fine

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kormoc:

achew22, no, but your'e not using a x86 are you?

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achew22:

i'm x86

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achew22:

should I not be?

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kormoc:

it should be there

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achew22:

crap... should I reemerge it?

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Nothingman:

I repeat: running mysql remotely from the command line works fine

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Nothingman:

and afaict the remote frontend is using the mythconverg database from the backend

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Nothingman:

did I just go blind, or did everyone stop talking?

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achew22:

kormoc, I reemerged it, now I goto /usr/src/linux and type cp ../linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r1/.config ./.config

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scottder:

Is there a way to have a show only keep a certain number of eps and remove the oldest when the limit is reached?

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Agrajag-:

yes

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scottder:

I set an episode limit but then it just kinda stopped when it reached the limit

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Agrajag-:

you need to make it record new and expire old

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scottder:

I JUST saw that option

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scottder:

duh

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scottder:

Thanks

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scottder:

Perfect for my sons shows :)

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nzc:

hello?

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achew22:

kormoc you said you run a minimal version of kde... how do I set that up?

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UBL:

nzc, not good to irc as root

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nzc:

oh, thanks, I forgot that I was logged on as root

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nzc:

q

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jerky_2:

so sometimes when i try to use myth to play something, instead of the normal video output it just produces a pure blue screen with very skippy audio. it does this every time i try to play live TV or any other video until i reboot. any ideas?

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imperfect-:

So...

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imperfect-:

I've installed the SVN version

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imperfect-:

and uhm... even after I configure it it always thinks my tuner is recording..

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imperfect-:

Any ideas?

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Agrajag-:

why are you using svn?

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imperfect-:

I dunno

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imperfect-:

Guess maybe that was a bad idea?

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Agrajag-:

if you don't know why you're using it, and you don't know how to fix problems, then yeah

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imperfect-:

Well.

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nzc:

hi, had anyone had problems with their TV tuner only showing a green picture with a little fuss? It is a BT878 chip

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jasperbg:

in my recording profiles, i get two choices: MPEG4 and RTJPEG. is there any way to use MPEG2 in software? (my card doesn't support hardware encoding but i'd like to take advantage of my nvidia card's hardware *decoding*)

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UBL:

way easier for cpu to decode than encode it

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jasperbg:

so is that a no?

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jasperbg:

it's just i'm seeing 100% cpu usage watching live tv with both mpeg4 and rt-jpeg

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UBL:

pick mpeg4 or rtjpeg

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imperfect-:

jasperbg : that's encoding... that makes sense.

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jasperbg:

so is it normal to have 100% cpu usage? this is a duron 1700 MHz

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jasperbg:

seems odd, i was thinking of adding another capture card but if it's got 100% usage with just one...

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Anduin:

jasperbg: add a hardware encoding card

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jasperbg:

yeah, i might just replace the piece of shite that's in there with a hardware one

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jasperbg:

problem is, they're not cheap here and usually don't have remotes (only the shitty software ones seem to have remotes)

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kormoc:

achew22, I'll be back later

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achew22:

DAMNIT!!!

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achew22:

as soon as he quits the operation I was waiting on finishes...

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Captain_Murdoch:

jasper, you should be able to encode 640x480 on that cpu with enough room to playback while recording. you might want to try bumping down your resolution to 480x480 and see what happens to your cpu. I used to record 352x480 on an Athlon 700.

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achew22:

if I run genkernel after getting vanilla sources, what do I do

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jasperbg:

it plays back while recording OK, and live tv works OK, it's just absolutely flatlining the CPU, so there's no room for anything extra

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jasperbg:

like another (software) card

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jasperbg:

but i'll try reducing the res

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Captain_Murdoch:

what res are you recording at?

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jasperbg:

i'll check

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Captain_Murdoch:

you don't want to be at 100% because the slightest thing will cause recording glitches

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jasperbg:

default

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jasperbg:

whatever that is

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jasperbg:

is it the "width" and "height" under recording groups

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jasperbg:

?

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Captain_Murdoch:

recording profiles

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jasperbg:

yeah

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jasperbg:

480 x 480 then

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Captain_Murdoch:

and I think the default is 480x480, which should be easily doable on that box with 30–40% cpu free

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Captain_Murdoch:

at least

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jasperbg:

Cpu(s): 96.3% us, 3.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si

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Captain_Murdoch:

as an aside, I am working on adding software mpeg2 compression, so instead of a nuv file for software encoding, we'd generate a mpeg-ps file with mpeg2 video.

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jasperbg:

that's pretty much typical in top while watching live tv

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Captain_Murdoch:

are you using XV?

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jasperbg:

dunno, where do i look to find out if i am?

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Kelerion:

g'night all

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nzc:

has anyone here had issues where their Tuner is recognised properly by linux but only shows green on any channel?

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nzc:

has anyone had tuner problems where the linux sees the card, but only a green screen is shown when watching??

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simcop2387:

nzc: what kind of card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nzc – In myth, or testing with linux?

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nzc:

it is a sabrent TVFM

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nzc:

with the BT878 chip

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nzc:

I have the problem in linux and with myth

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simcop2387:

have you tried with tvtime? it should work with that card and would work well for testing it (myth can have other issues besides the card not being setup correctly)

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nzc:

no I havent tried tvtime

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J-e-f-f-A:

nzc – Do you have any other tuners, and if so, do they work ok?

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nzc:

but i did test it with another program in KNOPPIX (was just a test install)

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nzc:

no I don't--it is my only one

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nzc:

but this tuner did work in winblows

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J-e-f-f-A:

nzc – I guess I don't have anywhere else to go here — I use Hauppauge cards and have seen this on my system long ago (but only with viewing outside of myth – recording was fine). Try 'tvtime' as simcop2387 suggested...

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nzc:

could it be because I am using KnoppMyth??

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nzc:

I tried an install from scratch with gentoo originally, but I must have mis configured it, so then I switched to KnoppMyth and it still did this

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phar0e_:

J-e-f-f-A: did you wake up this morning hoping that you deleting all your mpg files was just a dream?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nzc – it's probably just that KnoppMyth didn't properly auto-detect the card. You probably have to tweak the config a little bit.

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nzc:

ok i will try looking into tweaking

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J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e_ – yeah, but unforutnately it wasn't!!! I spent about 3 hrs cleaning up the DB from all the deleted programs.

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phar0e_:

:<

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J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e_ – I will be much more careful when executing an 'rm -f *.mpg' command in the future... (sobbing)

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J-e-f-f-A:

phar0e_ – That's what happens when your a geek living on the cutting edge... ;-) (he says with pride)

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nzc:

sorry, I know this is probably newbish, but where are the tuner config files

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nzc:

?

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Captain_Murdoch:

nzo, are you sure it's a tuner issue and not a display issue?

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Captain_Murdoch:

nzc: sorry, misread the name. :)

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nzc:

not positive. how could you tell the difference?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nzc: do you get audio, but just a green screen?

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nzc:

nothing

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nzc:

no audio

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Captain_Murdoch:

could still be indicative of bad display, unless you're on the composite in. wrong tuner type would show static because it would tune to the wrong freq.

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nzc:

That makes it seem like a tuner issue

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Captain_Murdoch:

you really should debug with something like xawtv or tvtime, then once that's working try Myth again.

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nzc:

there IS a little but of static at the top of the screen

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nzc:

i used xawtv and it did the same thing, however, it was on a KNOPPIX 4 system

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nzc:

so it could be the HW detection?

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Captain_Murdoch:

did you google to see if you used the right tuner type for your card?

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Captain_Murdoch:

or check to see if it autodetected properly?

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nzc:

I know it found a BT878 card, but are there more specific configuration problems?

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nzc:

where would the config file be?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, they may have different tuner types.

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Captain_Murdoch:

google for "tuner type bttv bt878". if it's not detecting yours properly, you might have to add an options line to your modules.conf or modprobe.conf file.

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Captain_Murdoch:

also, add the name of your card in that google search.

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nzc:

ok thanks, I will look into that. I really appreciate the help guys! now its time for me to hit the sack

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MaestroTech:

hey guys

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MaestroTech:

is there a difference between the Hauppauge PVR-500 and the PVR-500MCE ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

MaestroTech: I think the only difference is that the MCE version comes with the remote (and ir blaster).

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AngryElf:

is qmake part of a standard package??.... i could've sworn i had it the other day

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MaestroTech:

J-e-f-f-A, thank you

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Cromz:

alrighty then.. thursday I get the pundit p1-ph1 for my mythfrontend. order a 19" widescreen for it ( bedroom myth ). see if I can make it a diskless frontend. :> woohoo lol

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AngryElf:

hey all, when making myth0.19 I get [libmyth-0.19.so.0.19.0] Error 1

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AngryElf:

right above it it says : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm

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AngryElf:

i've put it here -> http://pastebin.com/628175

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Anduin:

AngryElf: You are missing the X video mode extension devel stuff.

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AngryElf:

i found it......in ubuntu the package is lib-xf86vm-dev......go figure

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CLucas916:

anyone use mythtv with their directv service?

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simcop2387:

yay! i finally figured out whats been plaguing me!

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simcop2387:

CLucas916: i do somewhat for my parents box, but i haven't tried setting up IR blaster or anything for it

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CLucas916:

simcop2387: do you need a directv reciever?

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CLucas916:

or can you just plug the cable from the dish to the tv tuner

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simcop2387:

CLucas916: you still need the reciever, the TV card is usually not capable of decoding the dishes signals they are far different than cable tv

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CLucas916:

ah

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simcop2387:

CLucas916: if you live in the UK hauppage makes a tv card capable of doing certain dish signals, but i've never seen it in person or ever heard of someone using it so i don't know if mythtv even supports it

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CLucas916:

k

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CLucas916:

do you know if it works with HD?

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simcop2387:

probably not its old last i checked and it won't work with US dish companies things

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CLucas916:

oh not the card

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simcop2387:

then what?

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CLucas916:

using a directv HD reciever

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CLucas916:

on a HDTV

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CLucas916:

using mythtv

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CLucas916:

sorry lol

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simcop2387:

your best bet for HD directtv is the H20 receiver (or any other hd reciever that can do component out) and a pcHDTV card last i checked, you can still get SD signals from the dish reciever from svideo and such and use that with mythtv, but you've got to have a tv card capable of HD to do HD in mythtv

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xris:

CLucas916: directv uses a proprietary signal.. best you'll get out of your receiver with myth is via svideo

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CLucas916:

are there disadvantages to using svideo for an hd feed?

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xris:

well, for one it's not HD

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CLucas916:

thats what ive heard

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CLucas916:

soo

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xris:

your only bet for HD recording with dtv is to use one of their dvr's

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CLucas916:

lame

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simcop2387:

xris: i thought some of the pcHDTV cards had component in?

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xris:

component is still analog (even if it's HD), but I've never heard of a consumer-level cards with component input.

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simcop2387:

hmm

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CLucas916:

damn

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xris:

CLucas916: there *is* a company out there that sells dish and dtv boxes hacked with firewire ports into them.. but they're really expensive.

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CLucas916:

total dummer

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xris:

legal(ish), though

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CLucas916:

lol

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CLucas916:

hmmm

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xris:

can't find the url, though

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xris:

short name with a number in it

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CLucas916:

so if i find a dtv box with a component output

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CLucas916:

does the pchdtv cards have component in?

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xris:

no

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CLucas916:

damn

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xris:

you don't want to have to re-encode the HD, anyway

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simcop2387:

i was mistaken about that

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CLucas916:

ya

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simcop2387:

someone needs to make one that does component in

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xris:

(I doubt you could, actually.. takes a 2Ghz machine to play it back, would take a BEAST to encode in realtime)

[05:54:04]

CLucas916:

true

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xris:

simcop2387: they do. professional grade. VERY expensive to get that much processing power.

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CLucas916:

so you said that someone sells dtv boxes with firewire ports

[05:54:58]

CLucas916:

oh nvm

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CLucas916:

i was thinking you could do the same thing with USB

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xris:

!search directv receiver firewire

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simcop2387:

does the pchdtv card not do any encoding at all? just a dump of the stream?

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xris:

correct

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xris:

hdtv is already mpeg2

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xris:

well, over-the-air hdtv

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xris:

directv uses a mixture of mpeg2 and mpeg4

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simcop2387:

last i heard i thought they were doing all hdtv in mpeg4 and trying to phase out mpeg2 in sd so that they can reclaim channel bandwidth

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simcop2387:

either way it still doesn't help

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xris:

damn, took long enough to find it: http://169time.com/

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xris:

CLucas916: ^^^

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CLucas916:

ya i found that already :P

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CLucas916:

too expensive :P

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xris:

that's pretty much your only option, other than switching to cable where you get the firewire port for "free"

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xris:

I like my dish, but cable is very tempting... if it wasn't $30+/month more expensive.

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CLucas916:

ya my mom would never do that

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jasperbg:

wtf my recordings have this high pitched sound going along with all the voices. what's up with that?

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xris:

so you're stuck with their brand dvr, or like me, the svideo jack and no HD (not that I mind too much since I don't have anything to watch HD on, anyway)

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CLucas916:

xris: lol then you dont care

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xris:

sure I do. pure digital SD is better than analog

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CLucas916:

i plan on using this for viewing and recording HD :(

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CLucas916:

xris: that came out wrong, im tired

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xris:

then you're stuck

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xris:

or only receiving OTA channels

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CLucas916:

eh

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CLucas916:

any news on directv releasing receivers that will make it easier to record hd?

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xris:

likely never

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xris:

why would they help you cut into their profits?

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simcop2387:

well i've found bad links to several cards around $700–800USD for component inputs :)

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simcop2387:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050308235409/htt . . . ore/HD3.html theres one to drool over, product was discontinued and is not supported by mythtv

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CLucas916:

simcop2387: id rather pay that much for a dvr with firewire

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CLucas916:

i mean a receiver

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simcop2387:

yea same here

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simcop2387:

CLucas916: but its fun to drool :)

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jasperbg:

can anyone suggest what the hell the high-pitched pc-speaker-like sound is in all my recordings?

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simcop2387:

jasperbg: what kind of card?

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jasperbg:

philips saa7134

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jasperbg:

not in live-tv though

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jasperbg:

only in recordings

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CLucas916:

k thanks for everyones help

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simcop2387:

jasperbg: the saa7134 is software compressed right?

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xris:

jasperbg: on every box you try?

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jasperbg:

simcop2387: yes

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jasperbg:

xris: not sure what you mean

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xris:

try it on a different computer, does it sound the same?

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simcop2387:

jasperbg: i found that on my old bt878 card it was the result of a cheap tuner, and turn up the audio quality as best as possible (PCM at highest bitrate) to help alliviate it, it's about 19khz (give or take 4khz) right?

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jasperbg:

32 i think

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jasperbg:

ok i will try cranking up audio quality

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simcop2387:

yea i never could determine the real frequency, but its really high pitched and annoying, its basically an audio artifact that shows up in compression because of the nyquist limit (or something like that i think, i'm no audio expert)

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simcop2387:

looks like most of the cards that come close to doing Component input are pci express

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simcop2387:

firewire is 100 times better

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xris:

not to mention it's not re-compressing the signal from analog

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AngryElf:

hey all, after compiling mythtv I get mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0, no such file or directory

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AngryElf:

after searching for it......it's not around.....could i have done something wrong when compiling

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MaestroTech:

I think i'm going to kill myself.....ivtv is a bear to get working.

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jasperbg:

MaestroTech: if that's all it takes to push you over the edge.......

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MaestroTech:

jasperbg, lol

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jasperbg:

can't help sorry, never used ivtv

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MaestroTech:

How do I see which video device correlates with which hardware device ?

[07:02:44]

MaestroTech:

how do i see which /dev/video is bound to what hardware ?

[07:02:56]

MaestroTech:

i think that is how I want to ask it.

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jasperbg:

i'm not sure. if you look through dmesg the first one to be loaded will be the first numbered device

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jasperbg:

so the first one to be loaded will be /dev/video, the second /dev/video1, and so on

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jasperbg:

i think

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achew22:

I GOT MYTH TO RUN IN GENTOO!!!

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jasperbg:

achew22: beat you :P i got it working this morning

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MaestroTech:

achew22, o/

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jasperbg:

good stuff though :)

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achew22:

damnit

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achew22:

jasperbg do you have audio working?

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jasperbg:

yup

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achew22:

damnit

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achew22:

how did you get it to detect your audio hardware?

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jasperbg:

just selected the correct driver as a module in my kernel and it works

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achew22:

where did you do that?

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achew22:

by the way.. props

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jasperbg:

under device drivers -> audio/sound/whatever it calls it -> ALSA -> PCI cards

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jasperbg:

in menuconfig

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achew22:

shit....

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jasperbg:

or do you use genkernel?

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achew22:

i genkerneled

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jasperbg:

yeah, i've never used that. i like rolling my own cos i like to know what's in there

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jasperbg:

what's your sound card?

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achew22:

Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP2S AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)

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achew22:

I also got issues with my nic

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jasperbg:

is your nic the nforce onboard too?

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jasperbg:

there's a driver in the kernel for that sound card

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MaestroTech:

is there anyway to run mythtv-setup without a GUI ?

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achew22:

jasperbg yeah, same thing

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achew22:

MaestroTech nope, you have to have a gui

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jasperbg:

achew22: so you're using the forcedeth driver?

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achew22:

I don't know

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MaestroTech:

:: sigh :: I really don't want to install ubuntu-desktop.

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achew22:

MaestroTech if your trying to setup a backend type mythbackend and then go to the other box, run mythtv-seutp and do it from there

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MaestroTech:

i already have a running backend server.

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achew22:

MaestroTech good luck watching tv without a gui?

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MaestroTech:

achew22, I use a backend/frontend setup.

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achew22:

hrm...

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MaestroTech:

achew22, I've actually been using mythtv for 6 months now

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achew22:

how do you plan on watching tv without X?

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jasperbg:

so if your backend is already set up, why do you want to do mythtv-setup ?

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MaestroTech:

achew22, my laptop has X

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achew22:

do it on there....

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jasperbg:

MaestroTech: mythtv-setup sets up your backend AFAIK. you configure the frontend within mythfrontend

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MaestroTech:

Jasoka_, because i just installed a PVR-500 (replaced my ATI TV Wonder VE) and need to configure the capture card settings.

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jasperbg:

MaestroTech: so just run mythtv-setup on your laptop

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achew22:

or you could do the stuff manualy... i think that if your just setting up a frontend you could make the file ~/.mythtv/that file who's name i'm forgetting

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jasperbg:

and connect to your backend

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achew22:

yeah... run it on your laptop

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MaestroTech:

Jasoka_, let me try that...

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achew22:

god damnit... nic shutdown again!

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MaestroTech:

achew22, ok...i'll try that.

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jasperbg:

or just access the mysql database and change stuff in thee

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jasperbg:

there

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achew22:

probably better to do it from mythtv-setup

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achew22:

i'll be right back... i have to restart my box to make nic work then make it ping somewhere

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MaestroTech:

i think my backend hates me.

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jasperbg:

achew22: yeah, sometimes i really cannot be bothered using mythtv-setup. it's often easier just to change the relevant entry in the mysql tables

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jasperbg:

in this case, probably in the capturecard table

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jasperbg:

but meh

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achew22:

meh

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achew22:

so, jasperbg will you help me out with my sound issue?

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jasperbg:

yeah sure. do you have no sound at all?

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achew22:

no sound at all... driver == foobar

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achew22:

i'm pastebinning the dmesg

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MaestroTech:

grrr

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achew22:

http://pastebin.com/628301

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MaestroTech:

running mythtv-setup from my laptop screwed my database.

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MaestroTech:

live you learn

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achew22:

jasperbg line 343 in http://pastebin.com/628301

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jasperbg:

sounds like you have some module versioning gone screwt

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jasperbg:

screwy

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jasperbg:

did genkernel report success last time you ran it? i've never used it, as i said

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jasperbg:

i'd highly recommend compiling your own kernel

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achew22:

got any good tutorials?

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jasperbg:

part of the gentoo handbook install guide

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jasperbg:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handboo . . . 1&chap=7

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achew22:

damn... 2 firefox crashes in one night

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achew22:

jasperbg, where do I sellect my drives, i'm in menuconfig

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jasperbg:

when you say drives, do you mean HDDs? you only need to configure your IDE/SCSI/SATA interface, not individual HDDs

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achew22:

wow... sorry drivers

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jasperbg:

under "device drivers"

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jasperbg:

i'd usually just go through every single menu option and enable anything i know i have in my box, disable anything i know i don't

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jasperbg:

module stuff like sound cards cos they work better that way (don't ask why) and removable stuff

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Gumby`:

any debian mythtv users here?

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achew22:

jasperbg... did you say you knew of a driver for my sound card?

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Gumby`:

wondering if debian-marillat repo is the way to go or whether to compile from source

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jasperbg:

yeah it's called something like intel/via/nvidia ac97

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achew22:

if its in there as a module will it work?

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achew22:

jasperbg?

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achew22:

is there a command to check your current kernel?

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achew22:

jasperbg since I have included all those as modules... do I have to add them in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6

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jasperbg:

yeah if its a module it should work

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jasperbg:

if you have coldplug and hotplug starting at boot then it doesn't need to be in the autoload file

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jasperbg:

otherwise, yes

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achew22:

i have coldplug and hotplug

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achew22:

so i'm in good shape right jasperbg

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achew22:

wow... don't load up software for a month and it jumps 2 major revisions!

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achew22:

incredible

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jasperbg:

yup

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achew22:

funny thing is motorola hadn't updatd the software in 2 years, then they increased the major version on it by 2 in a month

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Gumby`:

achew22: motorola what?

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achew22:

mpt

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achew22:

ohh... mobile phone tools

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Gumby`:

hrm, interesting. better drivers for the razr v3c? I could never get anything other than ringtones and images to xfer

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achew22:

what else can you transfer it doesn't have java

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Gumby`:

huh?

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Gumby`:

yes it does

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achew22:

v3c doesn't have java does it

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

damn...

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Gumby`:

hehe

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achew22:

i should have waited a month and gotten a razr

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Gumby`:

I'm loving mine, except for the fact that I havnt been able to mod it much.

[08:00:29]

Gumby`:

that and the fact that it doesnt show up as a storage device in linux

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Gumby`:

hehe

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achew22:

i got a e815 which is loverly.... but the only problem is it doesn't have jaba

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achew22:

java*

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Gumby`:

nor does it work as a modem for linux

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achew22:

thats terrible

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Gumby:

which version of MPT are you using?

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Gumby:

I havnt touched it in a few weeks, maybe a month or so

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Gumby:

hehe, not that this is ON topic or anything

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achew22:

who cares.... who is going to stop us!!!

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** achew22 laughs meniacly **

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achew22:

i'm using 4 as far as I can tell...

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Gumby:

lol, well.... I usually try to be considerate and keep things ontopic

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achew22:

fuck em...

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achew22:

its 1am if someone yells at me i'm going to bed

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Gumby:

naw, they help when asked for help, I dont think they'd appreciate us "fucking em

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Gumby:

"

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achew22:

deal

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achew22:

do you mind if I query you?

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Gumby:

nope

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achew22:

ohh my god... this installer is making the mirc windows cry in agony

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Gumby:

then dont use mIRC. simple fix

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Gumby:

lol

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achew22:

shh....

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jasperbg:

t

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T`:

anyone know how to make the OSD fonts appearing in mythtv not look faded out.. perhaps turn on anti-aliasing? their edges of the font aren't clear on mine

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mornin' all

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Gumby:

does anyone know which firmware is currently recommended for pvr250's? the ivtv install wiki shows pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip as the firmware to download but there appears to be 4 or 5 others that are newer.

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WHiTE^^BOX:

I just cant get the channels right :/

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WHiTE^^BOX:

Connect source to input -> Scan for channels -> Fetch channel listings source

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WHiTE^^BOX:

all channels are named like Channel 21, Channel xx.. . . . .

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WHiTE^^BOX:

how do i get the channel names there? :/

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WHiTE^^BOX:

ivtv 0.6.x should include that

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Gumby:

what version of ivtv are most people using now? and with which firmware for a pvr250? anyone have any idea?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

i have the hauppauge 500 and installed 0.6.x on fedora core 5

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WHiTE^^BOX:

didnt install any other firmware packages

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WHiTE^^BOX:

x50, 500 and more should be included

[09:06:28]

WHiTE^^BOX:

the channels names.. can this only be done manually?

[09:07:01]

WHiTE^^BOX:

atm im using tv_grab_nl_wolf (becouse tv_grab_nl seems to be broken).

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Gumby:

why arent you using 0.4.4?

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Gumby:

isnt that the latest stable?

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Netslayer:

i have a bttv card (all inputs) that's giving me overexposed video (very white), any ideas?

[09:08:54]

Netslayer:

turning down the brightness doesnt really help

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WHiTE^^BOX:

no clue about bttv

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Agrajag-:

contrast?

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Netslayer:

i've played with all the XV settings..nothing

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mchou:

Netslayer: that's unfortunately "normal"

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Gumby:

Netslayer: you probably need to tell modprobe what card and tuner type it is

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Netslayer:

i don't remember it being this way before

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Netslayer:

i'm using a hd3000 card in bttv mode

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Netslayer:

i think that might make a difference

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Gumby:

Netslayer: locate -i cardlist see if the CARDLIST file (if you have one) gives you which module params to load.

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mchou:

bttv has always provided "oxer-exposed" picture quality

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mchou:

over*

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Netslayer:

22 -> pcHDTV HD3000 HDTV [7063:3000]

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Netslayer:

there are CARDLIST files in the kernel doc folder

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Gumby:

Netslayer: yep, and there should also be a TUNER file as will IIRC

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mchou:

Netslayer: you can play with the white crush parameter but it wont really do much good

[09:14:24]

Netslayer:

i'm not seeing parameters in here ie "tuner=6 – Temic NTSC (4032 FY5)"

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Gumby:

Netslayer: now dmesg |grep bttv to see which ptions yoyur is loading with and see if its the right one or not. If its not then you'll need to modprobe bttv card=22 tuner=xx

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Netslayer:

odd... lsmod | grep bttv gives nothing

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Netslayer:

dmesg doesn't show bttv

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Netslayer:

the hd3000 has it's own bttv driver?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

@_@

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WHiTE^^BOX:

downloading listings: http://wolf.xs4all.nl/xmltv//tv-20060329.xml: could not fetch http://wolf.xs4all.nl/xmltv//tv-20060329.xml, aborting

[09:17:23]

WHiTE^^BOX:

, exiting

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WHiTE^^BOX:

:/

[09:17:35]

WHiTE^^BOX:

wghelp!

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Agrajag-:

i would say that it couldn't fetch http://wolf.xs4all.nl/xmltv//tv-20060329.xml

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Netslayer:

is there any way i can tell myth that two input sources are using the same cable box and can't be recording at the same time?

[09:19:58]

Netslayer:

i'm hooking up svideo using bttv (non broadcast SD) and a digital firewire cable (broadcast HDTV)

[09:20:36]

Netslayer:

as far as I can see I will have to define the same video source twice and filter out channels I want for each input

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mchou:

Netslayer: what STB is this?

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Netslayer:

stb?

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mchou:

set top box

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Netslayer:

6200 moto

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mchou:

sheesh, get with the program, dude

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Netslayer:

what?

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Netslayer:

i have a bttv card, firewire and a digital DTV hd3000 card.. i can do anything but it's hard heh

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WHiTE^^BOX:

any dutch people here?

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Juski:

morning

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mornin'

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WHiTE^^BOX:

juski.. any idea's how i can get channel names right?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

atm thay are like channel 21, channel xx... . . . .

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WHiTE^^BOX:

tried.. tv_grab_nl.. tv_grab_nl_py or tv_grab_nl_wolf..

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WHiTE^^BOX:

but no names.. still channel 21.. etc..

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WHiTE^^BOX:

the channel naming.. can this only be done 1 by 1 manually? :/

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Juski:

no idea

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

morning juski

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stuarta:

I go to the theatre one night, come back & 20 commits have gone in....

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Juski:

is that good?

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Juski:

or has more dvb stuff been un-fixed?

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stuarta:

actually quite a few of them are gbee's stuff to fix scanning

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Juski:

what did you go to see anyway?

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stuarta:

Resurrection Blues @The Old Vic Theatre.

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Juski:

ahh

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** Juski hasn't been to the theatre since school days... planning to though, as part of the 'get the hell out more' strategy **

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stuarta:

Arthur Miller... one with some humour in it thankfully...

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WHiTE^^BOX:

how did you people do the channel names and linking xml guides to them?

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stuarta:

that's my theory, took me 6yrs in London before I went to the theatre :)

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Juski:

WHiTE^^BOX: the xmltv grabber normally inserts channel names

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Juski:

(once configured properly)

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Juski:

sadly the documentation for some grabbers is somewhat lacking and xmltv operation can take some figuring out

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T`:

anyone know how to make the OSD fonts appearing in mythtv not look faded out.. perhaps turn on anti-aliasing? their edges of the font aren't clear on mine

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WHiTE^^BOX:

well it looked that tv_grab_nl was broken

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WHiTE^^BOX:

so i used tv_grab_nl_wolf

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Juski:

T` mythtv doesn't do anything to the fonts, as far as I know

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Gumby:

I'm following the ivtv howto here and in it is says to backup the msp3400.ko module however make/make install does not recreate this module (ivtv0.4.4). Am I to just move the original module back and run depmod? Is this going to cause any driver compatability issues

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WHiTE^^BOX:

looked working.. but didnt do anything :/

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Juski:

WHiTE^^BOX: the grabber won't do anything until mythfilldatabase runs

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Juski:

that's when er.. the database gets filled, funnily enough

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WHiTE^^BOX:

i did that

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WHiTE^^BOX:

mythfilldatabase --manual

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WHiTE^^BOX:

and mythfilldatabase

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WHiTE^^BOX:

but.. maybe it doesnt fill the database for some reason?

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fridge:

hi, I've had mythtv 0.19 installed for a while, every 2 days or so, mythtv-backend reports that the mysql server has 'gone away'

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fridge:

if I restart the backend without touching the DB, everything is fine again

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fridge:

has anyone seen this behaviour before?

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stuarta:

you are using mysql5 aren't you...

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d64:

anyone have any suggestions.. if i merge two mpeg2 files with cat a b > c

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d64:

how can i make seeking work in myth again

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d64:

the file plays fine but i cannot ff or rew properly

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d64:

mythcommflag --rebuild didn't help

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Calroth:

I didn't know you could do that with mpeg2 files

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stuarta:

it probably needs completely remuxing to get the timestamps correct

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dtm:

d64: tcmplex i think can do that. or mplex from mjpegtools

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cm1:

can i assume the plextor/wis support in 2.6.15 is still lacking updated v4l support?

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d64:

as long as i don't have to re-encode it's fine

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hashbang:

T`: I'd recommend using FreeSans in preference to FreeMono, also using <outline>yes</outline> in the font description in the osd.xml file

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achew22:

how do I unamask 0.19 in gentoo?

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fridge:

stuarta: yeah

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fridge:

I'm using 5

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stuarta:

fridge: what version of 0.19 are you using?

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k-man:

how can i stream recorded shows from mythweb to a windows box?

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jasperbg:

achew22: it's just ~arch, isn't it?

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jasperbg:

i don't think it's hard-masked

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achew22:

i got it

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k-man:

i mean, whats a good program for viewing the stream?

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fridge:

stuarta: 0.19.20060121–2

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fridge:

k-man: VLC is OK

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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stuarta:

fridge: did you build this yourself or from a package?

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fridge:

stuarta: I grabbed it from marillat

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fridge:

actually, it's in ubuntu multiverse

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stuarta:

see if there is an update available then, cause the fix went into 0.19-fixes on 20060603

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k-man:

is there some trick to streaming very large files from mythweb/apache?

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k-man:

i found that for a small recording (700meg) it streams fine, with a restartable download

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k-man:

but for a large recording (3.6g) it is not restartable and that seems to affect how the player on the other end can play it

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k-man:

and it makes playing it very difficult

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Juski:

lucky you can stream files over 2GB at all

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Juski:

anyhew... lunchytime :-P

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jasperbg:

k-man: what apache version?

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k-man:

1.3

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k-man:

i think it has a limit if the file is over 2gig

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k-man:

content length

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jasperbg:

yeah. so does 2.0 i think

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

its a hard limit

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k-man:

can't be fixed?

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jasperbg:

2.2 has large file support

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k-man:

ooh

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k-man:

really?

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jasperbg:

i have found it very good

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jasperbg:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/new_features_2_2.html

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k-man:

ooh, its not in debian yet though by the looks of things

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jasperbg:

no, although it is a stable release it won't hit distros for a while

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jasperbg:

you might find a .deb somewhere

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jasperbg:

gentoo has it

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jasperbg:

:D

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pjn:

less /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/README.Debian

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pjn:

apparently the debian version of apache2 supports large files

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pjn:

I'm running ubuntu and I can't get it to work, wonder if ubuntu changed something...

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T`:

hashbang, i think i'm alreadt using freeSans

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T`:

hashbang, which font should i add that outline to?

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T`:

infofont?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

anyone have any idea what could be wrong when the first channel I watch (every time..even after just exiting livetv and entering again) is muted? Any channel change (including to the same channel) fixes it..

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Juski:

^^^ does that mean we can go way off topic now? ;-)

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gardengnome:

why not? so, how's the porn toplists today?

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I have my sources

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gardengnome:

well, i knew that... ;)

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gardengnome:

http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127&nb sp;– mental retardation at its best.

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Juski:

is that the town governor threatening to bring the FBI in?

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Juski:

that was hilarious

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gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

"I am computer literate! I have 22

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gardengnome:

years in computer systems engineering and operation."

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gardengnome:

i wanna die :/

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Juski:

fkin ignorant people :-D

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dtm:

gardengnome: his 22 years were with a government contractor.

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dtm:

a slashdotter indicated that his particular contractor, E-Systems or something like that, trains people in the art of management by yelling.

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Juski:

they're using his name as an adjective, I hear

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dtm:

yeah he's been wikified

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dtm:

on wikipedia.org

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dtm:

he considers his entire course of action to have been entirely correct and defensible

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gardengnome:

hehe

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gardengnome:

what an idiot.

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dtm:

by one criteria — that someone else eventually achieved the desired result, for him.

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Juski:

it probably is, to a fucktard like him

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Juski:

our CEO is like that

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Juski:

oops.

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** Juski goes in search of another job **

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gardengnome:

hehe ;)

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Juski:

we call him Mike Hunt :-P

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dtm:

:-o

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gardengnome:

Juski: traffic sniffing might work, too :P

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Juski:

with ssh?

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gardengnome:

umm, only if you work for the government ;)

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

course, they could always just read the logs 8-|

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gardengnome:

well, watch it then ;)

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gardengnome:

With this patch you will no longer need to re-enter mythtv-setup, since by

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gardengnome:

hitting 'E' in LiveTV you can edit the channel callsign and other basic

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gardengnome:

params directly.

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gardengnome:

#1593 weee! yay. nice feature :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: so you know a bit of electronics, right?

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hashbang:

T`: which font will depend on the OSD theme you're using. You'll need to read it through and figure it out for yourself, I'm afraid.

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Juski:

gardengnome: aye I know a bit of electronics

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gardengnome:

Juski: nice. i'm gonna build this thing: http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html – it's just a few resistors and one transistor, right? i'm not sure how i'd connect the transistor, could you clue me? ;)

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stuarta:

so do I, connect 1 wire to top of gardengnome, other wire to bottom of gardengnome = 1 fried gnome

[13:08:43]

Juski:

gardengnome: you'll need a diagram of the BC548 transistor

[13:09:00]

gardengnome:

stuarta: well, i own a garden gnome and it's made of ceramics.

[13:09:05]

Juski:

the top line, VS is the collector of the transistor (C)

[13:09:14]

Juski:

middle line is the base (B)

[13:09:16]

stuarta:

but if it's a living gnome.....

[13:09:32]

gardengnome:

stuarta: we don't get that many living gnomes here.

[13:09:36]

Juski:

and the end with the arrow is the emitter (E)

[13:10:00]

Juski:

armed with that knowledge and the datasheet for the BC548 you should be able to wire it up

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gardengnome:

Juski: thanks. where do you find that arriow? i can't see it ;)

[13:10:17]

** stuarta gives up teasing the gnome... **

[13:10:29]

** gardengnome tasers stuarta **

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Juski:

the arrow is connected to the 68 ohm resistor and the 820 ohm resistor

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** stuarta feels better **

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Juski:

I need to make one of of them thingies anyway, gardengnome..

[13:12:09]

gardengnome:

Juski: thanks a lot :)

[13:12:16]

Juski:

I tried making one but didn't use a bc548 – just some random transistor I found lying around

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D-side:

Juski: why not make two and sell one to laga? :)

[13:12:18]

gardengnome:

Juski: i'll let you know how it goes, i plan on getting the parts tomorrow

[13:12:33]

Juski:

why don't I make a lot more & sell them on Ebay? :-D

[13:12:35]

gardengnome:

D-side: i wouldn't pay more than 10 cent for one ;)

[13:12:51]

D-side:

gardengnome: but parts alone would be well above that!

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gardengnome:

Juski: so it doesn't work without a bc548?

[13:13:07]

gardengnome:

D-side: without the connectors, i believe it maybe like 50cent

[13:14:28]

D-side:

oh, well then yes i understand.

[13:15:36]

Juski:

50cent? worthless, like the rapper?

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gardengnome:

Juski: well, without the connectors, it's quite useless, huh? (like the rapper)

[13:17:02]

Juski:

indeed

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haj:

uhm .. mythtv works on x86_64 right?

[13:24:32]

gardengnome:

haj: sure.

[13:24:51]

haj:

how about ivtv?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

*#*#*going out off my mind*#*#*

[13:28:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

haj: google is your friend ;) There seems to even be binary packages of ivtv for x86_64 for some distributions so I guess that means it does work :P

[13:29:13]

WHiTE^^BOX:

anyone here who uses tv_grab_nl.. tv_grab_nl_py.. tv_grab_nl_wolf.. or anything else that would help me NOT to kill myself

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WHiTE^^BOX:

X_o

[13:31:32]

WHiTE^^BOX:

..............anyone?

[13:31:43]

WHiTE^^BOX:

( . ) ( . )

[13:31:58]

haj:

RaYmAn-Bx: oh well :)

[13:32:11]

gardengnome:

Juski: i hope you don't mind me quoting you on mythwiki.de ;)

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Juski:

gardengnome: feel free- but give anyone my email address & I'll have to kill you ;-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: hehe ;)

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gardengnome:

OT: does anyone know some good ODBII software for linux?

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stuarta:

ODBII???

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hashbang:

gardengnome: I just built the same thing, but from http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit

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hashbang:

gardengnome: if you download the datasheet for the BC548B transistor (e.g <http://www.acroname.com/robotics/info/example . . . 548.pdf>) that'll show you the pin-outs of the device

[13:44:33]

Juski:

all you fans of proper interlaced video, kneel befrore my ebay shop :-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: hehe

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sphing:

juski's here?

[13:46:01]

gardengnome:

hashbang: thanks for the urls! how do you like your new tv-out? ;)

[13:46:30]

gardengnome:

hashbang: would you mind me quoting you on a public wiki where i my notes?

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hashbang:

gardengnome: it works well. only problem is the 8178 nvidia driver that, whilst allowing you to configure interlaced modes, and presenting a 768x576 resolution to X, the actual output is non-interlaced, with every alternate field replaced by a blank scanline. To be fixed in the next driver rev. apparently.

[13:47:32]

sphing:

juski you around?

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hashbang:

gardengnome: I built it in a small box, with a bit of plain matrix board for physical robustness. The parts cost something like 15GBP. I also included audio in/out and composite in from scart to a phono (for a Bt878 analogue card)

[13:48:20]

gardengnome:

hashbang: darn, that sucks. i have an old ati rage pro lying around, i've heard it's gonna work

[13:49:17]

hashbang:

gardengnome: yeah, I probably ought to try it with some other cards. XvMC is a bit rubbish for me on the MX440/8178, so any VGA card whose driver supports Xv should be good enough.

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sphing:

anyone got an epia board?

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hashbang:

gardengnome: oh, and quote as you like.

[13:49:46]

asperon:

is it possible to create a cron job that rebuilds/searches for music/video each night?

[13:50:13]

dtm:

asperon: what?

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dtm:

asperon: what music/video? why?

[13:50:35]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i've heard opengl vsync is broken with 8xxx. 7676 (or so) works fine for me with xvmc

[13:51:04]

hashbang:

gardengnome: I took about 30 hours to build the whole thing, but I was very sloppy and made just about every construction mistake going. I think I was probably lucky not to damage anything. Take it steady, and all should be well.

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sphing:

dtm: ie have mythvideo/mythmusic scan for new files every night

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hashbang:

gardengnome: you may also want to take 5V from pin 9 of the VGA connector, via a 100 ohm resistor to pin 16 of the scart, in order to make the TV switch into RGB mode.

[13:52:40]

hashbang:

http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/

[13:52:45]

whyz:

hello all.. i own a hauppauge pvr 350. I'm considering buying a dvb card too. Would it be possible to use the input from the dvb card and the output of the pvr card, including the mpeg2 decoding functionality?

[13:53:31]

hashbang:

gardengnome: yes, opengl vsync also seems broken for me, whether through VGA or the card's own TV output.

[13:53:40]

hashbang:

nVidia are teh sux0r.

[13:53:40]

gardengnome:

hashbang: thanks a lot for the great input.

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gardengnome:

hashbang: yep, that's the fault of the broken driver. downgrading should fix it ;)

[13:54:18]

hashbang:

gardengnome: doing so may well stop it from accepting interlaced modelines, though.

[13:54:32]

hashbang:

gardengnome: I probably ought to just try an old ATI Rage or Matrox G400...

[13:55:43]

D-side:

whyz: i just dont know the answer to that, but i think its a good question.

[13:56:08]

gardengnome:

hashbang: yep. that might work ;) i think i saw a small compatibility list in one of these guides, but i can't remember the url *sigh*

[13:56:45]

JeeBee:

In /usr/bin/tv_grab_nl, I have to change regular expressions around line 1433 from /g to /ig (case insensitive) to get it working .

[13:56:50]

asperon:

dtm: since the list of files on the frontend seems to be read from the db

[13:57:08]

asperon:

so id like to run the db update on a regular basis, to get a correct file list

[13:57:24]

asperon:

sphing: exactly

[13:57:50]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i bookmarked that website on my laptop, i'm gonna give you the url later

[13:59:05]

whyz:

D-side: thanks.. would be nice to know

[14:00:28]

hashbang:

gardengnome: also, issues with which nVidia drivers work with the kernel I'm using.

[14:00:48]

** hashbang isn't buying nVidia hardware ever again, if he can help it. **

[14:01:23]

hashbang:

trying to use hardware that's only properly supported by closed drivers is too much of a PITA.

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gardengnome:

yep, unfortunately :/ well, it would work well if the drivers were better...

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hashbang:

gardengnome: yeah, the hardware seems OK (though ATI OEMs seem to use better passive components, resulting in better sharpness, IME) and the only way the drivers are going to *consistently* get better is if nVidia free them.

[14:04:22]

gardengnome:

hashbang: are there any alternatives? with good opengl support? the dri project has support for some older ati cards, i beliebe

[14:04:25]

gardengnome:

believe*

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hashbang:

Radeon 9250 is the fastest GL card supported by Free drivers.

[14:04:45]

D-side:

eh.

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hashbang:

Dave Airlie is currently working on X300

[14:05:13]

D-side:

I understand the video card manf. contention that they require certain aspects of their drivers to be closed source.

[14:05:48]

D-side:

I don't think any "high performance" card manf will ever be able to fully open up the code, its just the nature of their business model.

[14:06:15]

hashbang:

D-side: yeah, as I understand it a) they've licensed stuff from third parties without the rights to disclose further and b) they're scared of being sued for IP infringment by their competitors.

[14:06:38]

D-side:

i dont know about your second example.

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hashbang:

Juski: are you selling ready-made VGA->SCART adaptors, then? You mentioned an eBay shop?

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D-side:

sounds like a load of crap, really. i'd say its more along the lines of certain optimizations they can make via their drivers, and they consider that a "trade secret"

[14:07:18]

Juski:

lol – seriously thinking about it though

[14:07:36]

D-side:

Juski: there aren't many places online that sell them already. might not be a bad idea.

[14:07:55]

Juski:

paypal only, and will only sell to europe

[14:08:07]

Mayol:

no, now im gonna throw my mythbox away and buy a mac mini dual core

[14:08:13]

stuarta:

Juski's Dohickey's & Thing-a-ma-bobs

[14:08:20]

D-side:

i dont see that being a problem, since i cant think of anywhere else that uses scart. :)

[14:08:38]

D-side:

Mayol: what a fantastic idea that is for tv viewing, you have fun with that.

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Mayol:

yeah

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D-side:

excellent, i'm glad we agree.

[14:09:06]

RandomMyth:

hey.

[14:09:28]

RandomMyth:

I need help. MythTv keeps recording non-stuff and I want it to stop and I didn't even tell it to do that.

[14:09:34]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i've heard that people are having "trouble" because their rgb tv-out is too sharp so they can see all nasty kinds of mpeg artefacts. what do you think?

[14:09:38]

hashbang:

Juski: by the time I was ~12 hours into my build, I'd have paid 25–30GBP for a ready-built version.

[14:09:49]

gardengnome:

RandomMyth: mytht 0.19? do you use livetv?

[14:10:01]

RandomMyth:

yeah mythtv 0.19

[14:10:04]

hashbang:

Juski: I stuck it out, though. :-)

[14:10:04]

RandomMyth:

lastest version

[14:10:16]

** gardengnome thinks it's not gonna take him more than 2 hours to solder this stuff together **

[14:10:20]

RandomMyth:

I try to go into live tv and it says its using all its resources to record

[14:10:26]

gardengnome:

i'm only going for the basic version without fancy casing, though ;)

[14:10:38]

hashbang:

gardengnome: other than the lack of interlace, it's no worse than my Daewoo DVB-T STB that outputs RGB.

[14:10:47]

sphing:

juski: do you have a m10k?

[14:10:51]

hashbang:

gardengnome: and the colour fidelity is MUCH better.

[14:11:23]

gardengnome:

hashbang: nice. i'm currently using composite and i was really surprised that my 15yr old tv supports rgb. i think it's gonna make me very happy :)

[14:11:50]

RandomMyth:

I'm sick of it recording my tv non-stop without me telling it to.

[14:11:57]

RandomMyth:

been doing for the past 9 hours

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hashbang:

Juski: for 25–30GBP, though, I'd expect all the connections I made (VGA->SCART, audio in/out and Composite out from SCART, 5V for RGB mode) and a nicely finished case

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hashbang:

Juski: just a datapoint in case you decide to go for it.

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hashbang:

gardengnome: RGB on SCART started coming in during the late 80s, IIRC.

[14:12:56]

gardengnome:

30GBP sounds like a lot of money ;)

[14:12:59]

JeeBee:

Does anybody know how to solve this? ::

[14:12:59]

JeeBee:

2006-03–29 16:11:37.006 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(2): Failed to find Channel '2'

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JeeBee:

2006-03–29 16:11:37.006 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(2): Error, failed to find channel.

[14:13:14]

RandomMyth:

can someone please help me out?

[14:13:47]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i just hope my TV really supports it. my dbox either outputs CVBS (composite) or CVBS + RGB (among others). there is a visible difference between these two

[14:13:47]

hashbang:

gardengnome: remember the parts cost me ~15GBP – 2m of 20 way cable, a box, a matrix board, 3m of audio cable and 2m of 75 ohm coax for the composite.

[14:14:07]

hashbang:

gardengnome: if there's a visible difference between the two, then your TV should be fine.

[14:14:49]

gardengnome:

hashbang: awesome. i can't wait till i've assembled it :). it looks like my local electronics store doesn't care vga connectors, though

[14:14:52]

Juski:

hashbang: you'd want what? jesus. next thing people will want tech support :-/

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stuarta:

JeeBee: do you have a channel 2

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Juski:

as for 20w screened cable – no need for that. I'll but VGA extension leads & chop the ends off

[14:15:47]

Juski:

*buy

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JeeBee:

stuarta: I tried to do all configuration correct ... seemed to do it all without errors ... so I think I have many channels, yes

[14:16:13]

Juski:

as for the case – it should easily fit inside a SCART plug

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stuarta:

but does one of those channels exist as channel 2

[14:17:45]

Juski:

hashbang: why the composite & audio out from SCART aswell?

[14:17:50]

JeeBee:

stuarta: In mysql, I do have a row in table channel with channum = 2.

[14:17:55]

Juski:

I don't expect many people would want that

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sphing:

PAM-securetty: access denied: tty 'tty1' is not secure!

[14:18:20]

sphing:

eh?

[14:18:20]

JeeBee:

stuarta: but not sure whether that answers your question :(

[14:18:59]

stuarta:

sphing: /etc/secure

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stuarta:

sphing: /etc/securetty actually

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sphing:

stuarta: securetty?

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sphing:

yea its there

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stuarta:

of course it's there, it just doesn't contain tty1

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sphing:

dell etc # grep tty1 /etc/securetty

[14:20:14]

sphing:

tty1

[14:20:14]

sphing:

tty10

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sphing:

tty11

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sphing:

tty12

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stuarta:

okay, did you just upgrade pam?

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sphing:

no its a fresh install

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sphing:

netbooted

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** stuarta scratches his head... **

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hashbang:

Juski: for dubbing from a VCR into the Myth box. Perhaps only offer those connections for an extra 5GBP or something.

[14:22:34]

sphing:

stuarta: i chmodd'ed everything to 777 perhaps thats it?

[14:22:41]

Juski:

nah I'll pass on that, hashbang

[14:22:55]

gardengnome:

Juski: make sure you're not breaking any IP laws when you're offering hardware based on someone else's design ;)

[14:23:00]

stuarta:

sphing: that could do it, becuase 777 would be considered insecure

[14:23:10]

sphing:

how what got changed...?

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** Juski didn't notice any copyright symbols on the internet schematics **

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sphing:

i've already put /dev/tty* back, securetty back

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stuarta:

try mode 600 for /etc/securetty

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stuarta:

why the heck did you chmod 777 everything?

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sphing:

cause i've had some problems where i get incorrect permissions since i'm nfs mounted

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sphing:

so i was debugging

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sphing:

stupid... yes..

[14:25:25]

sphing:

i'm gonna have to wipe and start over

[14:25:25]

** stuarta thinks reinstalling would be faster... **

[14:26:06]

sphing:

heres the beauty of it... when i reboot linux, my netbooting doesnt work until I reset the cmos

[14:26:33]

stuarta:

thats FUBAR!

[14:26:53]

sphing:

its got to do with linux shutting down the nic, so when the pxe rom reaches for it, its off

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sphing:

is anyone netbooting a epia board?

[14:27:46]

** Juski is **

[14:28:03]

Juski:

sphing: what kernel? > 2.6.14 ?

[14:28:29]

sphing:

yup

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sphing:

o no.. 2.6.11

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Juski:

if I shut my system down, it kills the ethernet chip, meaning that I can't even use WOL to bring it back up

[14:28:51]

sphing:

so.. how do we fix that

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Juski:

there's a problem with the kernel driver for the NIC

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sphing:

yea i read there was a patch ... but didnt bookmark

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sphing:

so you never shutdown

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Juski:

check the log from monday or yesterday

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hashbang:

Juski: I think that's ACPI related

[14:29:22]

Juski:

(the IRC log)

[14:29:48]

Juski:

I always shut down when I'm done – but only a cold boot fixes the NIC problem

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hashbang:

Juski: certainly if I power my machine down from the button, it won't WOL, but if I soft-power down (e.g. from shutdown -h now), it'll WOL fine.

[14:30:16]

Juski:

didn't used to happen with minimyth 0.18.1.2, which was the last one I used before the 0.19 version

[14:30:33]

Juski:

didn't used / never used.. (sheesh)

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sphing:

mchou: sphing: nah, that's easy to solve. just call ethtool b4 shutdown :)

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JeeBee:

mythtv-setup tells me that the "frequency of channel" is set to 2. that looks weird to me, shouldn't that be a frequency? and how should I set this correctly?

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stuarta:

JeeBee: how did you setup the channels?

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JeeBee:

stuarta: I used mythfilldatabase

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JeeBee:

which in turn used tv_grab_nl I think to obtain the channels

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stuarta:

is this dvb or analog?

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JeeBee:

stuarta: I have a Pinnacle PCTV card, analog

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JeeBee:

stuarta: I selected Analog V4L tv card at setup

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JeeBee:

Haven't been able to see a channel correctly though

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sphing_:

ugh... wifi router gave out

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Juski:

netbooting over wireless? how much fun is that gonna be then?

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sphing_:

is this what you were talking about juski mchou: sphing: nah, that's easy to solve. just call ethtool b4 shutdown :)

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sphing_:

Juski: no my laptop... is wireless... the 10k isnt

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Juski:

sphing: that's the one

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sphing_:

that works?

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Juski:

dunno

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gardengnome:

netbooting over wireless works. i tried it with my prism2 card and a bootrom from the etherboot (iirc) project.

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Juski:

must pop to maplins tonight to get some bc548 trannies.. they're £0.12 each today

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gardengnome:

Juski: conrad elektronik sells them for ¤0,13 ;)

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sphing_:

juski do you WOL using ether-wake

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hashbang:

Juski: I got all my bits from Maplin. I bought 3 of everything in case I zapped anything.

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hashbang:

Juski: might be a good idea to take a multimeter along though; I wanted 82 ohm resistors and they gave me 820 ohm.

[14:50:57]

hashbang:

Juski: luckily, I was able to bodge an 880 ohm with a spare 3k3 in parallel with a spare 1k2

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mchou:

sphing: huh??

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sphing:

mchou: i was copying something you said 2 days ago

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mchou:

sphing: and? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.....

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mchou:

sphing: no context

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sphing:

it wasnt to you mereley copying from my logs

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sphing:

and since you said it, it was prefixed with mchou:

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sphing:

*beirdo's logs actually

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mchou:

sphing: I understand you'e quoting me. I'm just not clear why

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mchou:

you're*

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bobb_:

hello

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sphing:

juski refered me to 2 days ago, so i wanted to make sure that what was what he was talking about... the whole kernel shutting down the eth chip and you mentino ethtool to fix it

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sphing:

stuarta: so I started over, and now i get, "Root filesystem could not be mounted read/write"

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stuarta:

research no_root_squash in /etc/exports

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sphing:

lol... that was it

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mchou:

sphing: ethtool sets the power management state for the nic. ethtool /dev/eth0 wol [state]

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sphing:

i put dell: without having dell in my hosts file... oops

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sphing:

mchou: i have to try that, cause i think that might be my savior

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sphing:

mchou: do you use WOL?

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mchou:

sphing: actually ethtool -s /dev/eth0 wol [state]

[14:58:39]

mchou:

sphing: yup

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xox:

hi all, anybody an idea how to grab off sound from an saa7134 directly ? (analog, Medion 7134, no audio out for loopback) All other TV apps including mencoder work, card is detected properly. registers video0,vbi0,radio0 but no extra dsp. On my mixer the audio-channel to capture is named "Video", but "ALSA:xyz" seems not to work as input in mythtv. Unmuting the channel gives live-sound, but still no sound gets recorded. (debian, k

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sphing:

mchou: ether-wake?

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mchou:

sphing: your bios has to support that too :)

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mchou:

sphing: yup

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sphing:

mchou: i hope you're right because every reboot I have to reset the cmos

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mchou:

sphing: reset the cmos for what?

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sphing:

its a bug with the nic driver

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mchou:

sphing: huh??

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sphing:

the linux kernel on a shutdown powers off the eth chip

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mchou:

your nic driver resets the cmos??

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sphing:

on a reboot, the pxe rom goes to look for the nic and cant find it

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mchou:

sphing: lol

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sphing:

the only way to restart the ethernet chip is to clear the cmos since i cant boot into an os

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mchou:

sphing: need to update your bios then :)

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sphing:

no the bug is the driver

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mchou:

sphing: that may be actually a power mgmt problem

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sphing:

i think i'll disable acpi ... i dont use it

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mchou:

no, dont disable acpi

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mchou:

you probably wont get wol working w/o that :)

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sphing:

any particular reason wy not

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sphing:

ahh

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mchou:

sphing: you can give it a shot though. maybe apm works better in your case :)

[15:05:12]

sphing:

forgot to set a root passwd

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mchou:

sphing: I still dont understand why you thing it's a problem in the driver

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sphing:

i was reading some forums... and it started happening when a new driver was put into the kernel..

[15:05:45]

sphing:

like it didnt always happen, just after a specific release

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mchou:

if the driver defaults to a now power state that's why you use ethtool to over-ride that

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mchou:

s/now/new

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sphing:

yea... but since i didnt set a root passwd, i could install eth-tool

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sphing:

lol

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mchou:

sphing: yeah, I remember that being true.

[15:07:27]

mchou:

iirc it was transition from 2.4–2.6

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mchou:

but dont quote me on that

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sphing:

thats what i remember reading also

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sphing:

and greyfoxx's driver only works on 2.6 so i have to use 2.6

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mchou:

sphing: http://xlife.zuavra.net/columns/20050516/#3.2.1

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mchou:

earch ethtool

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mchou:

search*

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sphing:

Wake on phy activity

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sphing:

lol... if you had a hub

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mchou:

sphing: nah, you dont want that

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mchou:

your comput would wake up on random net activity

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mchou:

computer*

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sphing:

btw, thanks you've been a big help

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mchou:

yeah, np.

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mchou:

just wait when you have to edit all the startup scripts :)

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mchou:

that's where the REAL work lies

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JeeBee:

stuarta: Wow, I've got it working finally :D :D :D

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sphing:

mchou: well... so far so good I'm booted in

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mchou:

sphing: not bad

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sphing:

anyone got xgl and myth friends?

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mchou:

sphing: lemme know when you have xgl and myth running :)

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sphing:

haha.. the only card i have thats supported in my laptop... so it'll be interesting

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stuarta:

JeeBee: what did you have to do?

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mchou:

what card is in the laptop?

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mchou:

s/card/chip

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JeeBee:

stuarta: Manually put channels in channel table, I just missed all frequencies

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sphing:

0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)

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stuarta:

that would do it....

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mchou:

sphing: bah, that doesnt work well w/myth

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mchou:

sphing: at least not the xvmc part, iirc

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mchou:

sphing: think it's missing iDCT

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sphing:

ethtool -s eth0 wol g

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sphing:

didnt work to keep pxe going

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mchou:

sphing: heh, that's surprising :)

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mchou:

sphing: try gbn

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mchou:

gbm*

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sphing:

i need to keep the eth chip powered

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Filip:

what would be the best pre-emption model for a mythtv frontend computer?

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opello:

none

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sphing:

Juski: do you just not power off?

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mchou:

opello: huh??

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opello:

does your pvr need preemption?

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mchou:

opello: considering it does sound and audio, I'd say yes :)

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opello:

i guess i don't run a lot of other tasks on mine, and i'd want the the ready queue to just be scheduled

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mchou:

meant audio and video

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Filip:

opello: who knows? The kernel config suggests servers don't need preemption, but I can see how a mythfrontend would resemble a server in some aspects

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opello:

the scheduler can't take care of that?

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mchou:

Filip: huh??

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opello:

someone that knows more about the inner workings would have to state for certian, but i would think preemption a no-no while recording and such

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mchou:

a frontend doesnt record

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mchou:

only backends record

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opello:

mine does

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mchou:

sigh

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Filip:

no recording in my frontend

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opello:

i guess, i was speaking for myself :)

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Filip:

so it's all about playback

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opello:

ah, i guess that's probably why you distinguished :) heh

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opello:

sorry.

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mchou:

Filip: I'd turn on most agressive premption model for fe :)

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Filip:

okay, will do. thanks

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mchou:

low latency baby!

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mchou:

of course since youre talking over the network while playing back files there are all those context switches from kernel to userland :)

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mchou:

so it's not clear the most aggresive premption model actually helps :)

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Juski:

sphing: I mostly power my frontend off from the menus.. when I do that I can't use WOL... same thing when I power it off with the power button (but then that's still just a soft shutdown too)

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Juski:

it'

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D-side:

wonder how swsusp2 is doing lately.

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Juski:

it's not exactly as if I _need_ WoL to work, it's just nice to have

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mchou:

sphing: wol implementations are wonky on some mobos. Make sure you have S3 set in your bios

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opello:

D-side: i may reinstall on the laptop and try it out...some day :)

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D-side:

opello: good luck with that. heh

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D-side:

i have absolutely no need of any of that stuff.

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D-side:

well i suppose thats not true. linux on my laptop was just suck a pain in the ass i dont think i want to go that route again.

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opello:

heh

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Juski:

just FYI, WoL worked just fine with a previous kernel – apparently something the newer kernel driver does is screwing up the LAN chip registers (or else just disabling it)

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D-side:

s/suck/such/

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D-side:

part of me wants to build a wireless frontend out of an itx board, but i've got the xbox.

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TheFloyd:

'morning

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D-side:

but when i get the car fixed, i think i might want to use an M10K board as a car pc. heh

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Juski:

so WoL _has_ worked before on this motherboard :-) And it always works from cold – never when I've had the system up & done a soft shutdown

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D-side:

Juski: yeah? i've never gotten that to work. ever.

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opello:

D-side: sounds fun

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TheFloyd:

does anyone have a recommendation for a well supported linux soundcard with SP/DIF out?

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D-side:

opello: i'm really just talking out of my ass. it WOULD be fun though.

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TheFloyd:

I've been messing with onboard i8x0 audio and getting nowhere fast (2channel sources come out of the SPDIF fine, AC3 audio is just silent) and a hercules card that isn't working as expected either

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D-side:

get a POS tv card in there and attach a cam to the dash. :)

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D-side:

TheFloyd: ac3 audio shouldnt be a problem with an i8x0. alsa i presume? its likely just a mixer problem

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opello:

D-side: heh

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TheFloyd:

d-side: yeah, ALSA — it's interesting, I tell myth to use ALSA:hw:0,2

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TheFloyd:

if I tell myth NOT to pass the AC3 data through it works

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TheFloyd:

as soon as I tell it to pass the AC3 data through, .. silence

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D-side:

opello: remember, talking out of my ass. first the car has to run right. :)

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TheFloyd:

but SD recordings in standard stereo still come out of the SPDIF

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opello:

lol

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TheFloyd:

just the AC3 passthrough doesn't seem to work

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D-side:

TheFloyd: i've never tried it, so i'm no help. sorry.

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TheFloyd:

hah ok

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TheFloyd:

thanks anyway

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D-side:

good luck.

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TheFloyd:

at this point I don't care, I'd be glad to buy a new card just so the f'n thing works

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D-side:

i dont know its a hardware problem though

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TheFloyd:

yeah, me neither

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TheFloyd:

i was messing with a hercules card i had laying around with spdif out too

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TheFloyd:

and similar results

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TheFloyd:

hw:0,2.. downmixed plays fine via spdif

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D-side:

wonder how much power an M10k board takes... boot off CF, and for any other storage i could just attach a USB hd...

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TheFloyd:

ac3 crackles at the beginning

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TheFloyd:

then nothing

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Juski:

D-side: it's reckoned to be less than 30Watts for the board itself

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Beirdo:

fug

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Beirdo:

mod_mp3 is only for apache1?

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Beirdo:

fuckers

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D-side:

Beirdo: really?

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D-side:

dont worry though, mod_mp3 was a piece of shit. :)

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Juski:

judging by how cool it runs, I'd probably be inclined to believe that, D-side

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D-side:

Juski: hm. that seems pretty damn feasible for a carpc setup then.

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Beirdo:

I want something that will stream mp3s from within apache

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Beirdo:

got any other ideas?

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D-side:

Beirdo: i do too. let me know if you find something.

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Beirdo:

heh

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D-side:

heh. no, and i just started looking yesterday actually

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opello:

mod_proxy + icecast? :)

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Beirdo:

no, I want it to stream a given file from the URL

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Beirdo:

not to be running a constant stream

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opello:

ahh

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opello:

'stream' how?

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Beirdo:

the same as icecast does

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Beirdo:

but on demand

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D-side:

yeah i gotcha.

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opello:

interesting

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D-side:

pick a song, not just something already queued

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Beirdo:

well, when I click on a song in my podcast, I want to be able to stream it

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Beirdo:

maybe with a second URL that streams so it won't break podcast clients

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Juski:

D-side: one thing to note about using any PC in your car – make sure the PSU is designed for use in the car – i.e. it regulates the 12V rail... because in your car, 12V is rarely 12V... 13.8V (and more) when the engine is running.. not to mention all the noise & crap on it ;-)

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D-side:

Juski: i'll be recruiting friends with such knowledge to assist me

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Beirdo:

I guess a mod_proxy to an icecast that gets automagically started COULD work

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opello:

but not real clean

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D-side:

Juski: i'm considering an alternate power source than direct to the battery.

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Beirdo:

yeah, no kidding, not too clean :)

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opello:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'd be redirecting to a CGI or something

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opello:

any cgi?

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opello:

lol

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Beirdo:

one that I'd write obviously

[15:43:58]

Juski:

D-side: it's okay to use a car PC PSU though – such things exist ;-)

[15:44:02]

opello:

are there any cgi apps that do it already?

[15:44:07]

opello:

(streaming an mp3)

[15:44:22]

Beirdo:

that starts an icecast and then passes through the stream... Hmmm

[15:44:31]

Beirdo:

I'd have to look

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D-side:

Juski: google will unlock some of these mysteries for me i'm sure. :)

[15:44:33]

opello:

or manages the stream on its own

[15:44:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, or just streams

[15:44:46]

Beirdo:

hmm

[15:44:53]

Beirdo:

it's CPAN time

[15:44:55]

D-side:

I suppose I'll want to dual boot, since i can't think of any useful gps navigation stuff for linux.

[15:45:01]

Juski:

D-side: so will www.mini-itx.com/store

[15:45:01]

opello:

and ctan :)

[15:45:20]

Beirdo:

WTF is CTAN?

[15:45:34]

opello:

oh, i was thinking tcl

[15:45:38]

opello:

but that's TeX

[15:45:44]

Baylink:

There's lots of GPS/moving map stuff for Linux.

[15:45:44]

Beirdo:

ahh

[15:45:45]

opello:

for tex modules

[15:45:51]

Beirdo:

I knew I remembered it from somewhere

[15:45:53]

Beirdo:

heh

[15:45:57]

opello:

math class? :)

[15:46:00]

Beirdo:

not doing this in tex, sorry

[15:46:01]

mchou:

Baylink: there is?

[15:46:10]

opello:

gpsdrive is 1

[15:46:12]

Beirdo:

no, I took Engineering... LaTeX is my friend

[15:46:16]

opello:

aha

[15:46:24]

Beirdo:

but this ain't a job for it :)

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sphing:

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Juski:

forget dual-booting as such – if you're having windows boot aswell, I think it might be quicker to wrap it up as a RAMdisk image & load that at boot time (anecdotal evidence, not personal experience)

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opello:

[15:46:49]

sphing:

fair enough

[15:47:01]

Beirdo:

it's pronounced "la-tech"

[15:47:22]

opello:

lay-tek

[15:47:22]

Beirdo:

only written does it conjure up images of condoms :)

[15:47:29]

Beirdo:

sorry, missed the y

[15:47:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[15:47:41]

opello:

heh

[15:47:45]

D-side:

oh. i wonder if the mediamvp project has progressed any

[15:48:05]

Juski:

yeh.. it now works with GBPVR :-/

[15:48:26]

D-side:

Juski: you might be right about ramdisking it, but boy that'll need a ton of ram.

[15:48:31]

D-side:

and, gbpvr?

[15:48:57]

Juski:

gbpvr is a 'free' pvr program for windows. pretty nasty too

[15:49:12]

Beirdo:

a ripoff of mythtv IIRC

[15:49:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, is there a list of valid lirc commands for mythtv anywhere? Or does it use defined keys for things (or something equally weird)?

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Beirdo:

(unprovable ripoff)

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Baylink:

Last time I looked; quite a bit, yes, mchou

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Juski:

vdr looks like more of a ripoff – its themes are unnervingly similar

[15:50:49]

Baylink:

check Freshmeat for GPS, be my first suggestion

[15:50:49]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, VDR may have stolen theme ideas, but that's about it, I bet

[15:51:28]

Beirdo:

and VDR is still open source, it's all good. gbpvr isn't open last I looked

[15:51:58]

Juski:

gbpvr ain't open source.. no way

[15:52:08]

mchou:

I think maybe gbpvr wnet commercial even. hafta pay for it now, iirc

[15:52:14]

mchou:

went*

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it looks disturbingly familiar.

[15:52:34]

Beirdo:

:)

[15:52:38]

D-side:

Baylink: i'd need something with self-contained maps, i wouldnt have the option to be online to look for them.

[15:52:48]

Beirdo:

hence my suspicion that they aren't playing fair

[15:53:14]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it seems to be made in a .net language though...of course that could be C++.Net

[15:53:19]

mchou:

I just dont undertand why ppl would want to use windows for pvr. the drivers are notoriously unstable

[15:53:45]

mchou:

I started out with windows based pvr and gave up in frustration

[15:53:49]

Beirdo:

hehehehehehe

[15:53:55]

Beirdo:

MP3::Icecast

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Beirdo:

hmmmmm

[15:53:59]

opello:

lol

[15:54:03]

Beirdo:

that might be a winner

[15:54:04]

mchou:

shit wouldnt stay up over 1 day

[15:54:29]

D-side:

I tried MCE before mythtv.

[15:54:29]

mchou:

MTBR=1 day

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D-side:

utter garbage.

[15:55:18]

Beirdo:

D-side: you a perl fiend?

[15:56:16]

mchou:

This soy milk from costco is some nasty shit

[15:56:24]

Beirdo:

hehe

[15:56:25]

D-side:

Beirdo: not even slightly.

[15:56:30]

Beirdo:

too bad

[15:56:38]

D-side:

very true. I don't code at all.

[15:56:47]

Beirdo:

I think MP3::Icecast module will be able to do exactly what I want

[15:56:48]

opello:

yeah, learn already :)

[15:56:52]

Beirdo:

running in a CGI :)

[15:57:27]

Juski:

I read a glowing review of MCE rollout 2 a while ago. It says something like "gone is the reboot per day which we've all had to live with – rollout 2 offers the option to schedule a controlled restart of the background processes, and this helps considerably".... :-O

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Beirdo:

heheh

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D-side:

opello: yeah yeah.

[15:57:59]

opello:

lol

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D-side:

Juski: ever actually USE it yourself?

[15:58:09]

** Beirdo slaps MCE labels onto knoppmyth CDs and ships **

[15:58:14]

Juski:

D-side: not on your nelly

[15:58:45]

Juski:

tried showshitter, gbpvr, mediaportal, & a few others. all utter shite

[15:58:52]

opello:

Beirdo: have to add that 0 12 * * * /sbin/reboot cron job first

[15:58:54]

D-side:

yeah i hear that.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

$random $random * * * /sbin/reboot

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D-side:

changing the topic abruptly (since i just thought about it) i'm still considering buying one of those plextor divx usb boxes.

[15:59:23]

opello:

heh

[15:59:23]

Beirdo:

too bad that doesn't work

[15:59:38]

Juski:

I get angry when recordings don't happen. and that just doesn't tend to happen with mythtv unless I make a mistake & forget to click the button

[15:59:59]

Beirdo:

or unless you trip over the power cable

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mchou:

D-side: bah, get a dvb or atsc card instead

[16:00:16]

opello:

D-side: oh? what are they?

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mchou:

D-side: analog gonna be extinct soon :)

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** Beirdo wonders if he allowed enough bandwidth to outgoing http traffic to support an icecast... **

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mchou:

D-side: even in ass backwards usa

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

queue web bandwidth 32Kb cbq(borrow)

[16:02:23]

Beirdo:

ooops

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Juski:

Finland will be losing analogue first in Europe, I read today

[16:02:58]

Juski:

UK will be last, in 2012

[16:03:02]

Beirdo:

that would drive me to vodka

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Juski:

(as ever)

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Juski:

"won't somebody think of the old people who don't understand?"... nope :-D

[16:03:44]

Beirdo:

sure

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Beirdo:

they put them in homes

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Baylink:

D-side: how far off-grid are you planning to go?

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D-side:

Baylink: hm? oh. not sure really, i wouldnt want to limit myself in the event i had to go very far.

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D-side:

opello: sorry, was afk. hold on for a url.

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mchou:

anyone watch '24'?

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Beirdo:

OK, bumped web to 172Kb/s rather than 32Kb/s

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Beirdo:

that should help me run a 96kbit/s icecast :)

[16:09:05]

Beirdo:

heh

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Baylink:

Got it.

[16:09:57]

Juski:

mchou: yeh... need to watch episodes 14 & 15 soon

[16:10:01]

Baylink:

check Freshmeat for GPS, I do remember seeing more stuff than I'd expected.

[16:10:15]

D-side:

opello: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm

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D-side:

Baylink: i'll have a look right now

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D-side:

24 pissed me off. i just watched the first season a couple weeks ago, and the way they ended it just made me mad.

[16:11:33]

Juski:

Teri bauer, RIP

[16:11:57]

D-side:

after all that shit, thats how they end it. pfeh.

[16:12:08]

Juski:

wait til you see series 5 then.. they kill off some major characters

[16:12:27]

Juski:

did I say some? shit – they kill a lot of central characters off

[16:12:51]

D-side:

yeah i read all the plot synopses

[16:13:00]

mchou:

D-side: first season? You're a bit behind :)

[16:13:15]

D-side:

only because i knew i'd never see the rest of them. thats a hell of a lot of time to invest just to get caughth up

[16:13:34]

D-side:

Juski: i liked the president's character a lot.

[16:13:47]

mchou:

D-side: get the dvds from netflix or your library

[16:13:49]

D-side:

i'm watching The Unit now solely because he's in it, and.. its not very good.

[16:14:18]

D-side:

mchou: i can get them cheap from the local rental shop thats walking distance from home, but its too much time to invest in the show i think.

[16:14:22]

mchou:

D-side: david mamet writes for "the Unit", doesnt he?

[16:14:30]

D-side:

yeah, and i'm shocked.

[16:14:32]

opello:

D-side: so it's an external tuner/encoder?

[16:14:36]

D-side:

i was expecting a lot better.

[16:14:43]

Juski:

which president, D-side ? Logan is a wimp!

[16:14:45]

D-side:

opello: yeah. outputs mpeg2 or mpeg4 (divx)

[16:14:55]

D-side:

Juski: Palmer!

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D-side:

no idea who logan is.

[16:15:11]

** Juski enjoyed seeing Sherri slain :-P **

[16:15:34]

D-side:

i bet.

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D-side:

f her.

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D-side:

stop it. now you've got me considering wasting that much of my life to watch the other seasons. :0

[16:16:09]

** stuarta got bored after a few episodes... **

[16:16:30]

mchou:

How about "the Sopranos?"

[16:16:42]

stuarta:

crap

[16:16:46]

D-side:

already watched all those as they were aired. :)

[16:16:53]

D-side:

same with BSG.

[16:17:03]

opello:

bah to your bsg

[16:17:09]

D-side:

I may, POSSIBLY, go back and watch Lost

[16:17:12]

D-side:

opello: BAH TO YOU

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mchou:

I dont care much for BSG

[16:17:19]

opello:

:)

[16:17:21]

Juski:

how did they explain the sex change of Starbuck anyway?

[16:17:23]

mchou:

stopped watching that

[16:17:26]

Juski:

too much coffee? ;-)

[16:17:30]

D-side:

Juski: they didnt bother.

[16:17:52]

mchou:

Juski: haha, was she/he a cylon?

[16:17:54]

D-side:

other than to say the original starbuck was such a lampoon of a stereotype that they wanted to completely reverse that.

[16:17:57]

** stuarta misses Red Dwarf **

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Juski:

btw Starbuck is now a babe... erm.. wait a minute... htf did that happen?

[16:18:12]

D-side:

i'm glad i have no recollection of the original

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Juski:

stuarta: it lost momentum in later series. i stopped watching it after RD IV

[16:18:58]

RaYmAn-Bx:

they still show Red Dwarf on BBC Prime :)

[16:18:58]

D-side:

there seems to be two schools of thought, regarding BSG. those who remember the original and rail against the sweeping changes, and those who've never seen it and love whats being done currently. heh

[16:19:11]

D-side:

i'm trying to get into the new Doctor Who

[16:19:16]

stuarta:

I forgotten which series was which

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opello:

'john doe' looks alright

[16:19:35]

stuarta:

D-side: they're repeating the old series starting this week

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D-side:

opello: wassat

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opello:

some new show on scifi

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** D-side looks **

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Chicago:

Just a quick survey if you don't mind... on a scale of 1 to 10... (lowest to highest) how would your rate this Antec case for a media center? Please judge based on 1.) looks 2.) size 3.) suitability for purpose.. 4.) other http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15130# Thanks :)

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D-side:

opello: interesting.

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D-side:

Chicago: I've seen them. they're fairly small, if you can deal with a box shape instead of something more "set-top" styled.

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D-side:

as for suitability, you'd have to determine that yourself.

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D-side:

I think someone here has one, and had an interesting time fitting a 500 in it.

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roger55:

Chicago, it looks nicer on the picture than in reality imho. I'm a fan of silverstone cases.

[16:35:34]

Juski:

light up cases are bad for HTPCs IMHO

[16:35:42]

Juski:

and where is its SPDIF output hmm?

[16:35:48]

D-side:

yeah i'd have to agree with both of those statements.

[16:35:52]

D-side:

Juski: in the back

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D-side:

where, imo, it belongs

[16:36:12]

Juski:

very true

[16:36:15]

opello:

i never liked the look of a shuttle next to a tv

[16:36:17]

D-side:

i've got a pundit that has its optical out on the front, and that pisses me off to no end.

[16:36:31]

D-side:

xbox! :)

[16:36:32]

Juski:

front SPDIF is as much use as a chocolate fireguard

[16:36:51]

Juski:

xbox looks fugly, and is way to noisy

[16:36:58]

D-side:

Juski: pfft!

[16:37:15]

Juski:

I made do with one as a frontend for a couple of weeks before going for a Silverstone lc02

[16:37:20]

opello:

there's the component looking ones w/ the built in VFDs that always looked pretty neat

[16:37:22]

Chicago:

Cool guys... this is great feedback... I am curious about the 500 fitting in myself... the S/PDIF would be in the back...

[16:37:25]

D-side:

with unlimited funds, i'd have to agree.

[16:37:42]

D-side:

theres some mini-itx ones prefab'ed i just saw that look great.

[16:37:46]

** Juski has never seen the point of VFDs **

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opello:

dunno for myth, but the component looking ones seem to always have them

[16:38:05]

Juski:

what am I watching again? Oh yeah – it's on the screen

[16:38:06]

opello:

clock + channel? :)

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Chicago:

I like the silverstone cases as well... just got an lc10 in yesterday... way to big... I suppose one blue led around a button is nice... but as Juski said, the leds do take away from a nice looking design.

[16:38:24]

Juski:

clock? press a button...

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D-side:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/systems.asp

[16:38:37]

Juski:

channel? live tv?!?!?!?!

[16:38:41]

Juski:

;-)

[16:38:42]

D-side:

if i had one that had a vfd i'd just set it to blink 12:00

[16:38:46]

D-side:

just for shits and giggles

[16:38:47]

opello:

Juski: heh

[16:38:52]

opello:

HAHA

[16:39:18]

Chicago:

D-side: those would be perfect except for no card-readers built in.

[16:39:29]

Juski:

my old panasonic DVD player is very good, but too fucking cheesy... "Hello...." when you switch it on... FFS

[16:39:43]

opello:

my samsung does that :)

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opello:

and 'goodbye'

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scopeuk:

lol soo much home audio gear does that

[16:39:50]

Juski:

"help! my dvd player has been possessed!!"

[16:40:10]

scopeuk:

i liek my dvd player jsut displays the time into the dvd and nothing lse

[16:40:16]

scopeuk:

no sorry the chapter is there 2

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** D-side covets this enclosure: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/viewer.asp?i=1&j=1153 **

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D-side:

Chicago: overrated.

[16:40:31]

scopeuk:

very nice

[16:40:50]

opello:

it looks like my dc inverter

[16:40:50]

Chicago:

D-side: that'd be great for my car :)

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D-side:

I want it.

[16:41:15]

D-side:

stick it in the back of the car, run a vga/usb bundle to the front

[16:41:27]

Chicago:

D-side: write a myth FAQ and put a donate button up. :) or a froogle wishlist... I'm sure you'll get one. :)

[16:41:27]

** Beirdo slaps MP3::Icecast **

[16:41:33]

D-side:

stick a bluetooth adapter in a usb port, wifi pcmcia card

[16:41:39]

gardengnome:

Chicago: some travla case supposedly fits into the din slot for the radio

[16:41:44]

Beirdo:

it % escaped everything in the PLS file it generated.

[16:41:49]

D-side:

haha

[16:41:54]

opello:

lol

[16:42:00]

scopeuk:

gardengnome they stoepd sellign the din units i think

[16:42:02]

Juski:

the carpc enclosure... great for erm.. cars, but in your livingroom? no thanks

[16:42:06]

Chicago:

gardengnome: and does it vent out the front?

[16:42:19]

Beirdo:

going to break skulls

[16:42:21]

D-side:

Juski: oh i'm well beyond the living room discussion, now i'm just daydreaming about what icould do to my car

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D-side:

get one of those pile of crap wireless webcams, stick it up front. heh

[16:42:50]

gardengnome:

Chicago: nope. i don't think so.

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D-side:

or, ooh, wired with PoE

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Juski:

not putting any more tech gear in my car til I've had that twat who breaks mirrors on the end of a basebat bat

[16:43:05]

D-side:

Juski: no kidding.

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D-side:

Juski: I hope you 1) kill him and 2) get away with it

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** scopeuk detects juski is a little pissed about this **

[16:43:26]

Juski:

D-side: lol.. so do I

[16:43:30]

opello:

eh?

[16:43:31]

gardengnome:

D-side: i'm prolly gonna mount an openwrt powered asus wl-500g deluxe in my car, for mp3 playback + wardriving + gps. maybe i could do some nifty stuff with the obdII interace as well

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Beirdo:

$output .= uri_escape(sprintf("File%d=%s${CRLF}Title%d=%s – %s (%s)${CRLF}L

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Beirdo:

ength%d=%d$CRLF",$c,$file,$c,$title,$artist,$album,$c,$time));

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Beirdo:

DUMBASSES!

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Juski:

scopeuk: look at the vid yourself, and make up your mind: www.juski.co.uk/notagain.m2v

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Beirdo:

supposed to uri_escape JUST the filename, dumbasses

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Beirdo:

that will be two perl modules in 2 days that I will be submitting patches for

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opello:

heh

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D-side:

opello: the poor bastard's car (and his neighbors) have been vandalized by some fuck in the early morning hours

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opello:

wow

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D-side:

multiple times.

[16:44:53]

opello:

time to put out a video camera

[16:44:58]

D-side:

opello: done already.

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D-side:

gardengnome: obdII?

[16:45:18]

opello:

or hide in the bushes with a bb gun :)

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scopeuk:

juski for what its worth you have my full suport for tying him up and beating him severly

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D-side:

s/bb //

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opello:

heh

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opello:

you don't need to escape spaces :)

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D-side:

no? i always do just for good measure. heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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D-side:

i had no idea i didnt have to, more importantly. :)

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gardengnome:

D-side: you can read stuff from the ECU then, like speed and so on. wikipedia may know more, if you're interested.

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Beirdo:

hmm, actually, it's uri_escaping the http:// part too.

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Beirdo:

gah

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D-side:

gardengnome: eh?

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Beirdo:

http%3A%2F%2F

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Beirdo:

oh, that will work

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opello:

lol

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opello:

really?

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Beirdo:

I already know my filenames are URI-safe

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Beirdo:

fuck em

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gardengnome:

D-side: ecu = engine control unit

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Juski:

I wonder if there's a linux program to read VAGCOM stuff....

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gardengnome:

Juski: i've been told vagcom works with wine.

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D-side:

gardengnome: OH. gotcha.

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D-side:

Juski: i have no idea what VAGCOM means but its hilarious.

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gardengnome:

but i'm not sure if i'd wanna run wine + vagcom on a SOHO router ;).

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Juski:

wine? I want a _free_ vagcom :-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: me too. but i'm afraid there are not that many tools for linux

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gardengnome:

D-side: diagnosis software.

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D-side:

dont we have enough problems with vag communications? :D

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Juski:

bloody £300 for some shitty VB program & a serial cable :-/

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D-side:

I'm by no means a car geek. i know absolutely nothing.

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opello:

wow

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opello:

reverse engineer the protocol and make an OSS app?

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gardengnome:

Juski: i've seen those cables for like ¤40 on ebay. usb stuff, dunno if it works well with linux.

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Juski:

reverse engineer it without buying it? hmmm

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gardengnome:

you don't need to reverse engineer the protocol, i think. it's just serial communication

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opello:

well, what the data means

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Juski:

CAN bus actually

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gardengnome:

but you'd need to know where you can read what values etc. i've been told there is one open source app that works quite well, but i don't know the name.

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opello:

if it's send only ... if you have to request values or something

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gardengnome:

D-side: neither am I.

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Juski:

bidirectional, balanced signals

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Juski:

liek rs485 I think

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

now Winamp is getting internal server error

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Beirdo:

getting somewhere

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Beirdo:

that means the pls is now correct

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scopeuk:

bin it move to vlc :D

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Beirdo:

[Wed Mar 29 11:51:28 2006] [error] [client 192.168.1.14] malformed header from s

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Beirdo:

cript. Bad header=ICY 200 OK: stream.cgi

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Beirdo:

urgh!

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scopeuk:

Juski m likingproject grayhem

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

it works!

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

cgi-based streaming mp3 :)

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Beirdo:

muhahahha

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opello:

heh, yay

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Beirdo:

I'm such a fuckin geek

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

puts mine into perspective ;-)

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** Beirdo listens to The Goon Show – The Great Bank Robbery **

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Beirdo:

at 96kbit MP3 :)

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Beirdo:

I was getting 500 errors as I forgot the

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D-side:

since you've proved yourself, now make mythtv streaming video work. :D

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Beirdo:

header( -content_type => 'audio/mpeg' );

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no thanks

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Beirdo:

I have no need for that

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opello:

video/mpeg? :)

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Beirdo:

audio.

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Beirdo:

this is MP3 :)

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opello:

heh, for streaming mythtv

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Beirdo:

print header( -content_type => 'audio/mpeg' );

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Beirdo:

$icy->stream("$dirbase/$dir/$file.mp3", 0);

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Beirdo:

how's THAT for an easy streamer

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opello:

pretty spiffy

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Beirdo:

my $icy = MP3::Icecast->new;

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Beirdo:

forgot, that goes first :)

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opello:

lol

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opello:

AHH, undeclared identifier!

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Beirdo:

I had to hack the pls generator in the module to get rid of uri_escape though

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D-side:

of course you have need of that!

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scopeuk:

i jsut settled for shoutcast and halo8wwwinamp

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Beirdo:

well, I wanted to stream files on demand

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scopeuk:

yeh

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opello:

and on demand they shall stream

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Beirdo:

so my CGI if called with .pls at the end generates the .pls, which gets handed to winamp

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Beirdo:

which then calls the same CGI with .mp3 and gets streamed at :)

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scopeuk:

nice

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Beirdo:

and I use mod_rewrite to hide the CGI-ness

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scopeuk:

im looking for a way to stream video content with )% server sdie scripting

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scopeuk:

damn shity resources for an it project

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, if I cared to, I'm sure I could figure it out

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scopeuk:

heh think im gonna use flash

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opello:

embedded flash players are where it's at

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Beirdo:

flash can eat me

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opello:

i just like never using mplayer-plugin again

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Beirdo:

www-data 24963 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 11:55 0:00 [stream.cgi] <d

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scopeuk:

flash is devil scurge but has its uses

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Beirdo:

efunct>

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Beirdo:

hmmmmm

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Beirdo:

then just how is this still playing?

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Juski:

flash isn't open source, so they don't stand a chance

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opello:

kernel just thinks it's defunct?

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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Beirdo:

it's still feeding from the fileserver to the webserver (mod_proxy) and from the webserver to my laptop at work

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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opello:

crazy

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Beirdo:

but it's workin great somehow

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Juski:

well, time to go homeski

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port7:

anyone got a sky digital panasonic box going into a pvr350?

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port7:

i am haviblems getting a signal

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port7:

problems getting a picture even!

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thechris:

port7: do you get a picture at all?

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port7:

nope just blackness!

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port7:

have it coming our of scart into s-video on the 350

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port7:

scart is a jvc scart -> s-video and 2 phono thing

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Dibblah:

Have you ever had it working?

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port7:

nope, not the sky

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port7:

got a picture with tv-arial going into the 350

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port7:

thopugh that was just analogue tv

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, only Pace / Amstrad Sky+s + one of the other 'base' boxes do svid.

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Dibblah:

The others are RGB / composite only.

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port7:

shall i configure myth to accept composite then?

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port7:

even though its going into the s-video port on the 350?

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kormoc:

can you plug that svideo connector into a tv and see if that works?

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port7:

if i had a tv with s-video ;-)

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Dibblah:

You'll need a composite SCART cable.

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Dibblah:

The wiring on the svid one is different.

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port7:

k

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Dibblah:

... I think ;)

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kormoc:

or a svideo to composite adapter

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port7:

the port on the 350 its svideo and composite then?

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kormoc:

http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr350_datasheet.htm

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kormoc:

looks like it to me

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** port7 looks **

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port7:

hmm, think propper scart-svideo converter

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kormoc:

that wouldn't change the inputs to the card.

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kormoc:

you would just use the dongle to hook up the composite

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port7:

though on the 350 the only socke says in is the svideo one

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port7:

the dongle only fits in the other one that i am assuming is output only

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quitte:

hi. i'm trying to access to the sql db with a second frontend but it seems the password is wrong. where does myth store it?

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gardengnome:

quitte: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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quitte:

thanks

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quitte:

that file doesn't exist

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kormoc:

run mythtv-setup on the second frontend

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quitte:

why? it's to setup the backend,isn't it?

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D-side:

then don't!

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port7:

got it working via the rf input bot the picture isnt great

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quitte:

i tried running the setup on the backend machine and i dont see how it would help

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nosun:

V4L... I need that plus to load the kernel modules of my cap card or what?

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kormoc:

quitte, it should prompt for the mysql server info on first run

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kormoc:

quitte, and create the file for you, hence why it's handy to run and then exit

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quitte:

kormoc: the first run is some time ago unfortunately

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kormoc:

first run on that machine

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quitte:

on the second box i don't see how it helps. i don't know the mysql account data. debian set it up for me

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quitte:

and for some reason there is no mysql.txt

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kormoc:

try the host name of the first machine and user mythtv and password mythtv

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kormoc:

right...

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kormoc:

if you run mythtv-setup on that box, it will prompt for that data

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quitte:

i tried the ip and exactly that user/password

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TheFloyd:

did you grant permissions on your database to the 2nd machine?

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kormoc:

do you have mysql on the first box setup to allow connections from other machines?

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quitte:

TheFloyd: yes

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corpix:

hi guys

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quitte:

yes. the output of mythtv changed after i did that,too and now looks more like wrong user/password instead of cannot find db or something like that

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TheFloyd:

and you used ... to mythtv@box2 identified by 'mythtv';

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quitte:

huh?

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TheFloyd:

when you granted permissions in mysql

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TheFloyd:

what sql statement did you use?

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quitte:

i just changed the my.cnf and removed the line that allowed connections from localhost only

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TheFloyd:

it should look something like GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@w.x.y.z IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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quitte:

argh. i hate sql

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TheFloyd:

you need to GRANT permissions to the database too

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quitte:

ok. i guess thats the problem. so multiple users and hosts can have access to the same db?

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TheFloyd:

yes

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quitte:

all right didn'T know that. thanks a lot

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TheFloyd:

no problem at all.. the various frontends all store their configuration in the master db, as well as access the recordings/program guide/etc data from it

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TheFloyd:

so they need to be GRANTed permissions to the database

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nosun:

anyone know a good tutorial for installing mythtv on debian?

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nosun:

specifically on debian though

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TheFloyd:

there was something i used when i was trying to get mythtv running on an amd64 running debian

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TheFloyd:

it might be on the wiki

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TheFloyd:

otherwise google for mythtv debian or something similar, i know there was a writeup somewhere

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TheFloyd:

someone even has prebuilt packages and the whole works

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nosun:

I'm gonna go take a nap

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nosun:

I'm tired

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nosun:

:P

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quitte:

marillat is the guy that made the packages

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TheFloyd:

yes... that rings a bell :)

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quitte:

works quite good. now recompiling a little smaller with -march=c3

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TheFloyd:

FWIW I ended up giving up on mythtv on the various amd64 platforms fow now

[19:21:46]

TheFloyd:

for now, too

[19:21:54]

TheFloyd:

both debian and fc4 caused nothing but headaches

[19:22:40]

quitte:

unfortunately i have no amd64. i'd prefer if i could join your whining

[19:22:41]

TheFloyd:

tuning HD content or playing back HD recordings locked the box up hard

[19:23:01]

TheFloyd:

heh, well, I'm running the amd64 as a generic i686 box now running slackware 10.2

[19:23:08]

TheFloyd:

so I don't either technically :)

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Puh:

oh shit myth just screwed some of my recordings again :-(

[19:43:57]

Puh:

the backend just simply didn't do anything when the recording was supposed to start and when i hit livetv on the frontend i just got "master backend has gone away for some reason"

[19:44:25]

Puh:

resulting two missed recordings :(

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Puh:

it seems that every time that i'm not standing by the computer and checking that the recording really _does_ start it fails

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TheFloyd:

what version of myth u running?

[19:50:15]

TheFloyd:

I'm running 0.19 on a machine loaded down with 2 HD tuners + pvr500

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TheFloyd:

and don't have any problems really

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Puh:

0.19 with two dvb-c tuners

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Chicago:

TheFloyd: which HD tuners do you like?

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TheFloyd:

Chicago- I have an ATI HD wonder (only because waiting for a tuner to come from someone online was unbearable) and an Air2PC HD5000

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TheFloyd:

both work very well

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TheFloyd:

I use them to tune clear-QAM cable

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Chicago:

TheFloyd: what's clear-QAM?

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Chicago:

just a carrier?

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TheFloyd:

just HD over cable

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TheFloyd:

I think they encode all digital cable with QAM actually

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Chicago:

So does the Air2PC HD5000 do hardware decoding/encoding or software?

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corpix:

Puh, this happened to me with 2 nova-se2 cards, svn fixed that somehow.

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corpix:

didnt found such in the changelog tho

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Puh:

ok i guess i have to update to current svn

[19:55:29]

Puh:

this is very annoying

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WHiTE^^BOX:

Anyone using a remote control with FC5?

[19:58:27]

WHiTE^^BOX:

I cant find the lirc-kmdl for fc5 :/

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hashbang:

WHiTE^^BOX: doesn't seem to be on ATrpms. Suggest you take the FC4 src.rpm and rebuild on FC4.

[20:08:27]

hashbang:

FC5, even.

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WHiTE^^BOX:

i dont have fc4

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WHiTE^^BOX:

and there is no bzip for fc5 :/

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TheFloyd:

so ftp the source and build it yourself ;)

[20:12:30]

xris:

WHiTE^^BOX: repeat question (I missed it)

[20:12:49]

WHiTE^^BOX:

I cant find the lirc-kmdl for fc5

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xris:

WHiTE^^BOX: it's likely called kmod

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xris:

but seems like it's not there. probably too new, or is affected by the slew of problems affecting the release kernel

[20:13:36]

WHiTE^^BOX:

it was at ATrpms.. but they somehow removed it :/

[20:13:52]

xris:

WHiTE^^BOX: removed, or just not ported to fc5 yet?

[20:14:00]

xris:

post on the atrpms mailing list

[20:14:00]

WHiTE^^BOX:

removed

[20:14:25]

Puh:

somehow the program scheduler is hosed

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Puh:

it says of the shows that myth _didn't_ record that "the show was recorded"

[20:15:14]

Puh:

and the mythweb interface shows a lot of "record once" recording schedules from the past

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xris:

Puh: upgrade to the fixes branch

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WHiTE^^BOX:

O_x

[20:17:02]

WHiTE^^BOX:

bzip2 -d lirc-0.8.0.tar.bz2

[20:17:02]

WHiTE^^BOX:

bzip2: lirc-0.8.0.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.

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WHiTE^^BOX:

uh.. :/

[20:17:35]

WHiTE^^BOX:

in which package could i find bunzip?

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gardengnome:

bzip2.

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kormoc:

that won't help tho

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kormoc:

given bunzip is just bzip2 -d

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xris:

WHiTE^^BOX: your file is corrupt. redownload it.

[20:21:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

yes

[20:21:53]

WHiTE^^BOX:

thx

[20:21:57]

WHiTE^^BOX:

:/

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WHiTE^^BOX:

crap!

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WHiTE^^BOX:

X_o

[20:28:43]

WHiTE^^BOX:

/home/Whitebox/lirc-0.8.0/drivers/lirc_mceusb2/lirc_mceusb2.c:588: error: unknown field â€˜ownerâ€™ specified in initializer

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WHiTE^^BOX:

/home/Whitebox/lirc-0.8.0/drivers/lirc_mceusb2/lirc_mceusb2.c:588: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type

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hashbang:

WHiTE^^BOX: that might be why there's no lirc RPMs for FC5. :-/

[20:29:29]

WHiTE^^BOX:

but they where out there

[20:29:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I had the same problem with lirc and kernel 2.6.16

[20:29:34]

gardengnome:

lirc should get their stuff merged into the kernel, third party lkms are annoying.

[20:29:39]

Anduin:

WHiTE^^BOX: CVS version (or atrpms has one somewhere I think)

[20:29:43]

WHiTE^^BOX:

and have read about people using them without probs

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RaYmAn-Bx:

if you just remove the line it says it will prolly work..did for me with my atiusb remote

[20:30:52]

RaYmAn-Bx:

some kernel usb structures changed in 2.6.16 (i.e. they removed the owner field)

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Anduin:

i2c

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WHiTE^^BOX:

ill try that

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WHiTE^^BOX:

WHOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

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WHiTE^^BOX:

THX!

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WHiTE^^BOX:

=)

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Beirdo:

OK, now I have seeking working in my "fake-icecast" streaming :)

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WHiTE^^BOX:

tested it with.. irw.. all buttons work :D

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WHiTE^^BOX:

buuuut.. uh.. how do i get it working with mythtv?

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Beirdo:

D-side: I have a working solution :)

[20:44:43]

D-side:

Beirdo: for video?!

[20:44:47]

Beirdo:

no

[20:44:51]

D-side:

well then i dont care. :D

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Beirdo:

MP3 :)

[20:45:01]

D-side:

have you been working on it this whole time?

[20:45:16]

D-side:

wait, i need to rescind the above jackass comment, i might want your patches. heh

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Beirdo:

jackass :)

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Beirdo:

it's just some fun CGIs that act as an icecast server

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Beirdo:

and a podcast

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D-side:

thats cool.

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CosmoDad:

I have installed the mythtv Debian package. After starting "mythtv-setup" after package installation, however, I get a "could not connect to database" error in the setup GUI. Any idea?

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CosmoDad:

oh and I just saw this: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES). Shouldn't that be set up correctly by default?

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gardengnome:

CosmoDad: from marillat? i've heard people complaining about that a lot. i believe the mythtv-common package doesn't create /etc/mythtv and mythtv-database fails then.

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gardengnome:

Goshen: either fix the mysql user stuff by hand or mkdir /etc/mythtv/ and do a proper reinstall of mythtv-database

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CosmoDad:

gardengnome: yeah from marillat. You're right, there's no /etc/mythtv directory...

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gardengnome:

CosmoDad: i believe this has been fixed, but probably only for debian sid

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Pete_:

I was just thinking about openGL menu's the other day, and I have just seen on the wiki its coming in 0.20 and is in the svn. How is it progressing? Is it usable yet?

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CosmoDad:

gardengnome: since I use sarge, I'll see if I can get the sid package up and running

[20:53:25]

gardengnome:

CosmoDad: you should file a bug report with marillat.

[20:54:03]

CosmoDad:

gardengnome: I will. Can I quote what you said?

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gardengnome:

CosmoDad: i believe he knows about the problem because it's been fixed for other debian branches. and i've seen lots of user with that problem.

[20:54:51]

gardengnome:

CosmoDad: feel free to quote me ;)

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** gardengnome is getting quoted. yay. **

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CosmoDad:

;)

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** FairWitness sucks down a beer. **

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Beirdo:

as long as... oh never mind

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D-side:

god. i read that as "bear" and had "WTF!?" screaming in my head

[20:57:38]

Beirdo:

hahahah

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FairWitness:

hahahah

[20:57:46]

** kormoc laughs **

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Beirdo:

only in Jersey...

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WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent

[20:57:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent: could not open config files /home/whitebox/.lircrc and /etc/lircrc

[20:57:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent: No such file or directory

[20:57:57]

WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent

[20:57:57]

WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent: could not open config files /home/whitebox/.lircrc and /etc/lircrc

[20:57:57]

WHiTE^^BOX:

irxevent: No such file or directory

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FairWitness:

I need to have a few more *beers* 'fore I'd suck down a *bear*.

[20:58:08]

Beirdo:

we saw it the first time...

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kormoc:

yay for spamming!

[20:58:15]

WHiTE^^BOX:

whoops..

[20:58:16]

kormoc:

</sarcasm>

[20:58:31]

WHiTE^^BOX:

double pasted that

[20:58:57]

WHiTE^^BOX:

any idea :/

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WHiTE^^BOX:

i want to get my remote to work under mythfrontend

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kormoc:

Well, given it says it can't open config files, perhaps check that they are there and configured correctly

[20:59:34]

FairWitness:

Beirdo: You running svn with the new UI? Just curious as to how it's progressing.

[20:59:47]

Beirdo:

the OpenGL shit?

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WHiTE^^BOX:

they aint there and i donw know where i could get them

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Beirdo:

I disabled it

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Pete_:

Yes, how is the UI doing? Im just checking out the svn, but have no idea on its progress..

[21:00:15]

WHiTE^^BOX:

only know that irw.. receives when i press the buttons

[21:00:16]

FairWitness:

Beirdo: Err, shit? Yeah that.

[21:00:30]

FairWitness:

I was wondering if there is going to be a split over that.

[21:00:38]

Beirdo:

nah

[21:00:43]

D-side:

the OGL stuff stunk pretty bad on my box, and tahts with a working nvidia card.

[21:00:51]

Beirdo:

as long as they can let me shut the shit off, I don't care

[21:00:55]

D-side:

i chalked it up to user error

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kormoc:

WHiTE^^BOX, given irwevent is a program called by lircd or what not, you shouldn't run it by hand, and I have no idea why you would

[21:01:02]

D-side:

maybe not, after all.

[21:01:16]

Pete_:

I think if used right openGL could make myth look much slicker

[21:01:23]

D-side:

it certainly could

[21:01:25]

Beirdo:

it took me about 1 minute to go from the main menu to the recordings menu

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Pete_:

but obviously it has to be optional

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D-side:

Beirdo: same here.

[21:01:35]

Beirdo:

so I killed the garbage and shut it off

[21:01:38]

FairWitness:

Beirdo: Well, that's what I mean. If the OpenGL stuff is popular, they're definetly still room for the old UI, meaning going forward we're going to have two seperate UIs.

[21:01:38]

Pete_:

oh thats pretty crazy

[21:01:45]

D-side:

i figured it had to be a problem in its config, not the code itself.

[21:02:01]

Beirdo:

for me, I use an ATI 9600 pro, software OpenGL

[21:02:13]

Beirdo:

but still, that fade shouldn't take that much CPU

[21:02:17]

Beirdo:

off it goes

[21:02:32]

FairWitness:

yeah, and I'm planning on doing a minimal, probably epia, box.

[21:03:01]

FairWitness:

I can't decide if I finally want to invest in 3x LCDs, or a new tiny frontend.

[21:03:02]

Pete_:

what I don't like is how it lags like an interpreted/java app while waiting for the db presumably

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Pete_:

FairWitness: 3 LCD's for xinerama?

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

[21:03:41]

FairWitness:

gtfo you have a podcast?

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** FairWitness surfs over. **

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WHiTE^^BOX:

irwevent?

[21:04:13]

Beirdo:

I podcast my captures, but not for public consumption, just for me :)

[21:04:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:04:18]

kormoc:

Pete_, you don't need xinerama for multi monitors under X, fyi

[21:04:22]

FairWitness:

Pete_: No, I finally want to convert to full on Linux-Only, and make a massive server to be me desktop and mythbackend (w/3 LCDs).

[21:04:27]

WHiTE^^BOX:

just irw.. to test if the remote works

[21:04:28]

Beirdo:

I like my scheduled capturing though

[21:04:43]

tehmyth:

I need help. I don't like my picture quality.

[21:04:48]

Pete_:

kormoc: I know, but its better than clone/multiple X's/ indivudual desktops

[21:04:52]

tehmyth:

it looks nothing like it does on regular tv.

[21:04:55]

Pete_:

in my opinion anyway..

[21:04:59]

tehmyth:

mythtv is great expect for that for me

[21:05:02]

Pete_:

tehmyth: what looks wrong?

[21:05:03]

tehmyth:

its way too bright

[21:05:05]

WHiTE^^BOX:

then irxevent &

[21:05:23]

WHiTE^^BOX:

to get the remote working under myth

[21:05:25]

Beirdo:

now if only the scheduler would obey what I told it.

[21:05:32]

kormoc:

Pete_, I love seperate x screens, I can't stand xinerama/twinview

[21:05:40]

WHiTE^^BOX:

i started it by hand just to check if it even would work

[21:05:53]

kormoc:

WHiTE^^BOX, you don't run irxevent...

[21:06:00]

WHiTE^^BOX:

huh?

[21:06:08]

Pete_:

kormoc: ah well, choice. Xinerama across 3 screens is my preference

[21:06:28]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[21:06:33]

Beirdo:

so fun

[21:06:36]

kormoc:

WHiTE^^BOX, irxevent is a child program of lirc that sends a emulated keyboard press to the x server... You do not run it by hand...

[21:06:55]

WHiTE^^BOX:

If you use native lirc support, you don't need to run irxevent. If you are going to use irxevent, then you need to run it like this:

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WHiTE^^BOX:

$ irxevent &

[21:06:55]

WHiTE^^BOX:

If irxevent isn't running, then MythTV will not respond to your remote control unless you're using native lirc support.

[21:06:56]

kormoc:

Pete_, I just can't stand the window placement.

[21:07:17]

kormoc:

WHiTE^^BOX, right, why not use the native mythtv lirc support?

[21:07:32]

Pete_:

kormoc: really? If you use a wm that makes use of xinerama/twinview its good. Nasty without it though

[21:07:38]

WHiTE^^BOX:

becouse im running on fc5

[21:08:13]

Pete_:

I guess its just whatever you get used to

[21:08:31]

kormoc:

Pete_, I use xfce4, but even under kde, it was just a mess. My windows never stayed in the right places, and popup boxes in java programs and what not would be split down the middle and what not. Just super annoying.

[21:08:57]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i see resistors based on metal or coal in my shop. what should i buy? coal is the cheapest, but i dunno if there's much difference

[21:09:11]

Pete_:

kormoc: sounds like you had a much rockier experience than I have had

[21:09:19]

kormoc:

opengl rendering was also much slower as well

[21:09:24]

kormoc:

fair nuff

[21:09:32]

kormoc:

newer versions of kde might have fixed things as well

[21:09:52]

Pete_:

opengl works if I just run it across a single card basically as full speed

[21:09:57]

hashbang:

gardengnome: I think I used metal film, but as long as the values are about right, it shouldn't really matter

[21:10:11]

gardengnome:

hashbang: thanks a lot :)

[21:10:22]

Pete_:

slight sync problems across 2 different cards though, the second card is some old rubbish. Played quake 3 fine though across 3

[21:10:40]

hashbang:

gardengnome: heck, Maplin didn't sell me an 820 ohm resistor, only an 82 ohm, so I substituted a 3k3 and a 1k2 in parallel for 880 ohm.

[21:10:51]

kormoc:

Pete_, via xinerama/twinview, my frame rates were cut in half for display on a single screen

[21:11:26]

kormoc:

due to the unified buffer, I don't see how they could work around it, as they are rendering at twice the resolution.

[21:11:29]

Beirdo:

gardengnome: coal?!

[21:11:32]

gardengnome:

hashbang: glad it worked for you, i might have to do the same – i can't find 820ohm or 68 ohm resister. damn :/

[21:11:32]

FairWitness:

I need a box just to test on svn. I'm dying to get into development and use my dusty skills, but I also want to keep my current boxen running.

[21:11:34]

Beirdo:

you mean carbon, right?

[21:11:35]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: yep.

[21:11:41]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: err, yes. *blush*

[21:11:43]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:11:49]

Beirdo:

I was wondering there for a sec

[21:11:51]

Beirdo:

whew

[21:11:54]

hashbang:

Beirdo: carbon film

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gardengnome:

i didn't get my translation right, sorry ;)

[21:12:13]

hashbang:

gardengnome: we understood. :-)

[21:12:18]

Beirdo:

what are the resistors being used for?

[21:12:24]

hashbang:

mein deutsche ist wurst. :-)

[21:12:37]

Beirdo:

your German is sausage?

[21:12:42]

gardengnome:

wtf?

[21:12:51]

hashbang:

it's a pun.

[21:12:57]

Beirdo:

no kidding.

[21:12:59]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: i'm gonna build that: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

transistor biasing, fun

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CosmoDad:

gardengnome: in case some other sarge users stumples in: I mailed Christian about the issue

[21:13:49]

gardengnome:

CosmoDad: great, thanks a lot! :)

[21:13:50]

Beirdo:

OK, so what values can you find?

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CosmoDad:

gardengnome: I thank you

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: lots. if i get my formulas right, two resistors in parallel, that's gonna halve the..resistance, right?

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Beirdo:

for the 68 ohm, I expect that something 50–100 ohm will likely work just fine. theoretically, it's there to impedance match the CSync line which is likely 75 ohm

[21:15:07]

hashbang:

gardengnome: no 1/Reffective = 1/R1 + 1/R2 + ...

[21:15:35]

Beirdo:

for 820, two 1.6k in parallel will likely be close enough

[21:16:05]

hashbang:

Beirdo: looks good; 880ohm works instead of 820. :-)

[21:16:16]

Beirdo:

two 1.6k || is 800ohm

[21:16:35]

hashbang:

Beirdo: indeed – even closer than 880.

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Beirdo:

mind you, individual resistors are +/- 10%

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Beirdo:

so...

[21:16:50]

gardengnome:

thanks a lot ;) the annoying thing is they sell them in bags. 100 resistors per bag. retards

[21:16:55]

Beirdo:

heh

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hashbang:

d'oh.

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kormoc:

Beirdo, depends on the class, isn't the gold like 1%?

[21:17:15]

Beirdo:

you can buy 5% or 1%, yes

[21:17:20]

hashbang:

gardengnome: do they do a 'lucky bag' of mixed values?

[21:17:26]

Beirdo:

but pretty much everything you normally find is 10%

[21:17:40]

gardengnome:

hashbang: i don't think so, they take themselves way too serious

[21:17:43]

Beirdo:

nothing an ohmmeter can't find out for sure though

[21:17:44]

hashbang:

Beirdo: I don't think that circuit is terribly precise.

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Beirdo:

yeah, if you are reasonably close you should be good

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** hashbang . o O ( that's Germans for you... :-) **

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Beirdo:

I can't recall my transistor biasing as well as I used to...

[21:18:46]

** FairWitness ponders how to burn a dvd .img in linux. **

[21:19:02]

Beirdo:

but that looks to be a switching application, not an amplification

[21:19:06]

kormoc:

FairWitness, k3b

[21:19:13]

Beirdo:

so the values shouldn't need to be uber-precise

[21:19:20]

Beirdo:

too bad Juski isn't here

[21:19:23]

FairWitness:

kormoc: I'm looking for a CLI alternative.

[21:19:32]

stuarta:

it's more the relationship between the resistors that matters...

[21:19:35]

hashbang:

FairWitness: growisofs

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Beirdo:

stuarta: yah, but being within 10% should be OK in that application, no?

[21:20:12]

FairWitness:

hashbang: I'm tring to determine the options for growisofs right now...

[21:20:31]

Beirdo:

I remember the days of doing differential amps with discrete transistors.. THAT was fun

[21:20:45]

kormoc:

FairWitness, use k3b in debug mode to see the options it uses... :P

[21:20:45]

stuarta:

should be, it's only to signal over the scart that a signal is present isn't it?

[21:20:55]

FairWitness:

growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -r -J <mydir> ??????

[21:21:33]

FairWitness:

Aah wtf I'll just try it. I've got enough unlabeled probably-coasters to go through anyway.

[21:23:29]

FairWitness:

Go fig, looks like it's working.

[21:23:33]

FairWitness:

I will be amazed.

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D-side:

er

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kramman:

join #squirrelmail

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kramman:

oops

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D-side:

no.

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FairWitness:

?

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D-side:

FairWitness: that looks like it, though I don't know what the -r and -J flags are for

[21:24:39]

D-side:

usually the last argument is the iso filename. for me anyway.

[21:24:54]

FairWitness:

I think -J is Joilet file names, I have no idea why I had -r written down.

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FairWitness:

I used a directory. Hopefully that'll work.

[21:25:14]

FairWitness:

It's certainly doing something.

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FairWitness:

Linux: Garbage In, Magic Out.

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FairWitness:

/dev/dvd: closing session <---Looks good.

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kormoc:

http://www.eucliddiscoveries.com/press_release.php <-- 15168 to 1 video conpression, 6x better then mpeg2

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FairWitness:

Afreakingmazing.

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kormoc:

if it's true

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FairWitness:

Well, not that, the fact that my dvd burned successfully.

[21:35:48]

stuarta:

"for certain videos" what completely black ones???

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kormoc:

"For streaming commentator video, Euclid can reduce a 23 MB video file to a 1,519 byte file"

[21:36:21]

nosun:

I take it no one got the question...

[21:36:38]

nosun:

um I wanted to ask.... what would I need as a frontend box

[21:36:51]

nosun:

I was told that my 2400+ would work fine as a backend

[21:36:51]

nosun:

:p

[21:36:51]

kormoc:

nosun, depends on what you want to do

[21:37:13]

nosun:

examples?

[21:37:31]

kormoc:

HDTV (1080i/720p) or SDTV

[21:37:45]

nosun:

I'd make the damn box all in one but I find nothing on google that actually explains how to install mythtv on debian:p

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gardengnome:

nosun: marillat has packages.

[21:38:12]

kormoc:

nosun, just run the frontend if you have the backend already running

[21:38:26]

kormoc:

nosun, just slap in a nvidia card (6200 is what I recommend), and off you go!

[21:38:28]

nosun:

I have neither right now:P

[21:38:57]

kormoc:

Well... install the marillat packages! :P

[21:39:40]

nosun:

my system that I would like to setup as all in one is Athlon 2400+, 128mb ddr(I know I will eventually get more:P), Nvidia Geforce 4 440, 40gb, MSI TV @nywhere

[21:40:08]

nosun:

only time I got myth successfully just plain running is with myth knoppix:P

[21:40:20]

nosun:

but cap card didn't work for shit:P

[21:40:40]

kormoc:

yeah, you should get a pvr 150 and a nvidia 6200, and things would be golden :)

[21:41:03]

nosun:

and apparently I would have to get updated kernel.... but the thing is I would rather get an idea how to install mythtv then just have it install

[21:41:03]

nosun:

:p

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vintonc:

kormoc, what brand 6200 do you have, I have a leadtek A6200TDH that doesn't seem to work with component out, all their cards have new bioses but this one. I found a msi and gigabyte that have the component out dongle and heatsink without a fan

[21:41:10]

nosun:

but hey:P

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kormoc:

vintonc, mine is a MSI

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kormoc:

vintonc, and I donno if the component works or not, as I don't have a tv that takes component

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nosun:

you have link to marillat?

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vintonc:

the nx6200ax-td128lf?

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kormoc:

nosun, gardengnome knows more then I do about the debian packages

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kormoc:

vintonc, one sec

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vintonc:

newegg had a few reviews that stated they had success using it with windows and HD, as far as that goes

[21:42:48]

kormoc:

vintonc, yup, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814127203

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vintonc:

been trying to get help from leadtek support and haven't got a real response in over a month, I'll probably get the msi then when nvidia finally releases a driver that works with this card and xvmc

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kormoc:

vintonc, what's wrong with it and xvmc?

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vintonc:

i was under the impression that you needed the latest driver for certain predefined HD modes like 480p, (not hd but better than s-video) and xvmc doesn't work with 8178

[21:46:37]

kormoc:

xvmc works perfectly fine with 8178

[21:47:04]

kormoc:

the only issue is I can't use myth's opengl timing, but that's just a toggle until the next nvidia driver revision works fine

[21:47:46]

vintonc:

or is it just the vblank syncing that is messed up, it uses 100% of the cpu

[21:47:56]

kormoc:

yup, that's the only issue

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vintonc:

guess that's not a show stopper, i'm using fc4 and have real-time priority enabled

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vintonc:

syncing seems ok

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kormoc:

I'm using the usleep method, and syncing is perfectly fine

[21:49:21]

** kormoc shrugs **

[21:51:59]

vintonc:

thanks for the info, got another issue that has been around for a while, saw some else asking about it but they never for a reply, I some of the settings screens the buttons at the bottom are off the screen, its not a over scan issue, checked that

[21:53:36]

vintonc:

it was originally said to be a font issue with fc4 but this is a clean fc4 install, i did copy the entire mysql database over after installing fc4. Any suggestions

[21:53:56]

vintonc:

sorry that was an issues with fc3 not fc4

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kormoc:

that's a bit odd. I donno off hand

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possie:

my tv_grab quites on line 1414 which is a die "could not parse date $_ (from Dutch $_[0])" anyone that might know why this could be?

[22:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

vintonc: What resolution ?

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gardengnome:

possie: tv_grab_nl?

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possie:

gardengnome, indeed

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gardengnome:

possie: check their mailing list archives.

[22:01:00]

stuarta:

possie: time for a bit of googling...

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Spruit_elf:

possie: search for alternatives, there are better version out there with caching and icons and stuff

[22:03:02]

vintonc:

GreyFoxx, just trying to get 480p working, doesn't seem to like any output standard using the component output on this card

[22:03:04]

possie:

Spruit_elf, one that you perhaps recommend using?

[22:04:10]

Spruit_elf:

possie: well you got tv_grab_nl_wolf, but im using tv_grab_nl_py

[22:04:22]

xris:

heh. tivo price mistake, 40 hour unit for free

[22:04:32]

possie:

Spruit_elf, the wolf one gives me lot's of errors as well

[22:04:42]

kormoc:

xris, before or after rebate? :P

[22:04:48]

xris:

no rebate

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nosun:

gardengnome... you got the link?

[22:04:54]

kormoc:

xris, ooh?

[22:04:57]

xris:

good luck hitting the site, though: http://store.tivo.com/ord_cartit-TiVo.asp?Key=1959

[22:05:00]

nosun:

to marillat?

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Spruit_elf:

possie: it uses caching and icons and detailed info and it works but first run takes very long, other runs are short

[22:05:15]

nosun:

else I'm trying installing it on suse

[22:05:30]

gardengnome:

nosun: try google.

[22:05:47]

possie:

Spruit_elf, ah, the _py version works right away ;-)

[22:05:49]

possie:

Spruit_elf, thanks

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Spruit_elf:

possie: you only ave to watch out for some compatibility isues if upgrading, there something on the site about that havent encounterd it since i didnt upgrade

[22:07:31]

Spruit_elf:

possie: it has something to do with the id numbers

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Alex____:

Hi... I've searched around a bit in the faqs but I'd still like to know what the minimum recommendations would be for a mythtv system built just for the specific purpose of hdtv-resolution mpeg4 playback at 720p

[22:07:48]

possie:

Spruit_elf, ah, okee, now i'll go and install mythtv first :-)

[22:07:52]

Alex____:

cpuwise I mean...

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possie:

Spruit_elf, guess your using gentoo right?

[22:08:03]

Spruit_elf:

jup

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Alex____:

There is some info about 1080i/1080p but not very specific

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Alex____:

and 720p would be enough for me

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Spruit_elf:

whois

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Spruit_elf:

nvm

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possie:

Spruit_elf, looks like that _py needs a long time indeed, i was actually planning to go to bed early, that's out of the question now i guess :-)

[22:10:41]

Spruit_elf:

lol well i ran it without --manual you just have to change some things manual using mysql or mythweb but you could run it over night

[22:10:52]

Spruit_elf:

it took me 2 hour or something

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Spruit_elf:

maybe more

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possie:

Spruit_elf, damn, why did i fire upt the command from ssh on my notebook

[22:11:08]

possie:

hehe

[22:11:29]

Alex____:

The howto says "For 720p content (1280x720), a 2.4GHz P4 should be sufficient". Is this a real-world, tested number?

[22:11:47]

Spruit_elf:

possie: you could use screen for that

[22:11:47]

gardengnome:

Alex____: for mpeg4 content, you're probably gonna need even more

[22:12:17]

possie:

possie, yeah, i just interrupted the current download, and launched screen indeed

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Alex____:

Any recommendations?

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possie:

Spruit_elf, which version of mythtv are you using btw?

[22:12:31]

Alex____:

Pentium D 2.8Gghz enough?

[22:12:34]

TheAsp:

Is opengl sync supposed to use 100% cpu?

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Spruit_elf:

possie: 19

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possie:

Spruit_elf, and have you look at using dvb allready?

[22:12:54]

gardengnome:

TheAsp: no. your driver is broken. search the mailing list

[22:13:00]

Spruit_elf:

possie: im running much unstable :D

[22:13:10]

Spruit_elf:

possie: no dont have that

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TheAsp:

gardengnome: sweet, thanks

[22:13:33]

gardengnome:

TheAsp: :) version 7676 (or so) works fine for me

[22:14:22]

RaYmAn-Bx:

has anyone else experienced no sound when first entering livetv? Changing channel brings it back..It also seems to happen on certain recordings (I believe mainly recordings that happened on the less used tuner 2)

[22:14:33]

gardengnome:

RaYmAn-Bx: DVB?

[22:14:41]

RaYmAn-Bx:

gardengnome: no, analog

[22:14:46]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Hauppage PVR-500

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I found a month old bug report about it on the trac site...but no information on any fix or anything

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: ivtv upgrade? .19.1?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

xris: mythtv 0.19-fixes, ivtv 0.6 (svn)..did the same with 0.4.3 and an older mythtv 0.19-fixes

[22:23:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Due to my hardware not being supported in earlier kernels I have to use 2.6.16 or above

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nosun:

I'm giving Knoppix Myth another shot

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nosun:

I will try and update its kernel

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nosun:

that way the cap card "works"

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nosun:

if thats possible:P

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RaYmAn-Bx:

xris: what seems most odd is that it appears _every_ time I enter livetv from the menu..not just on first boot or anything

[22:24:59]

RaYmAn-Bx:

so I guess changing channel does something that fixes it

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achew22:

would someone be willing to help me figure out why my soundcard isn't being detected?

[22:28:38]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

what do you mean by detected?

[22:29:04]

achew22:

its not detected... it doesn't showup and it /dev/dsp isn't working

[22:29:22]

achew22:

meaning I have no sound on my tv — which leads to interesting madlib situations where I fill in the words for the actors and its confusing

[22:29:23]

kormoc:

did you compile in the correct driver?

[22:29:31]

achew22:

I beleive I did

[22:29:38]

kormoc:

what does dmesg tell you?

[22:29:57]

achew22:

ohh... one thing — how do I change my timezone?

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kormoc:

rm /etc/localtime; ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone /etc/localtime

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stuarta:

or you could use tzconfig, which does the same thing.

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TheAsp:

you know he's just going to cut and paste that and wind up with utc...

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achew22:

no

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kormoc:

stuarta, Ododm

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achew22:

i'm going to look for america/denver

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TheAsp:

hey, cool

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kormoc:

stuarta, I didn't know gentoo came with tzconfig

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TheAsp:

you win a cookie

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achew22:

a big cookie?

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achew22:

ohh wait — I use kde... a kookie

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TheAsp:

sure :P

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TheAsp:

haha

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kormoc:

achew22, if it's central, you'd want CST6CDT

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stuarta:

kormoc: me either :)

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achew22:

no, I want mountain

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** FairWitness passes out again. **

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achew22:

GTM -0700

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kormoc:

achew22, MST7MDT then

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kormoc:

stuarta, then it's hardly useful :)

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achew22:

I just coppied America/Denver over....

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achew22:

where do I set that?

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TheAsp:

if you did that, its going to be that

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kormoc:

achew22, you do what I said...

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kormoc:

rm /etc/localtime; ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST7MDT /etc/localtime

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achew22:

alright

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achew22:

is there a command from console to check the time?

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achew22:

time doesn't do it

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achew22:

crap... that didn't fix it

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achew22:

it knows i'm mst though

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TheAsp:

dat

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TheAsp:

date

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TheAsp:

achew22: do you have TZ set?

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achew22:

maybe? how do I set it?

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kormoc:

TheAsp, he just set it

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kormoc:

achew22, now set the time correctly

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TheAsp:

ohh

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TheAsp:

didn see the "it knows it's mst" line

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TheAsp:

:P

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achew22:

is there a way to update with ntp

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kormoc:

of course

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achew22:

whats the command?

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kormoc:

achew22, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/config-ntp.xml

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TheAsp:

ntpdate <server1> <server n> . . .

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kormoc:

achew22, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTP is better actually

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TheAsp:

to get it to synch all the time you have to configure it

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kormoc:

TheAsp, he's really new, ntp isn't installed by default with gentoo

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achew22:

damnit... its not emerged

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TheAsp:

kormoc: he doesn't seem dumb :)

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achew22:

you will be amazed at how stupid I look in about an hour

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achew22:

okay — why does NTP use udp? I thought udp was good for constant streams of info?

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TheAsp:

other way around

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TheAsp:

udp is stateless, and ntp pakets are small. tcp would be slower and wasteful, as it would have to setup a connection between them

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achew22:

ohh no — waste of 1kb of connection...

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achew22:

naw I get it — thats interesting though... why does it use both then?

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achew22:

"

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achew22:

"NTP uses port 123, both TCP and UDP. "

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thechris:

heh wow. i just updated my time with ntpclient — and it change the position of the song i was listening to in kaffeine

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TheAsp:

i think they just have both ports, don't know if they actually use tcp

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achew22:

i'm going to telnet in

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kormoc:

they do, for certain connectors

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TheAsp:

well, there ya go

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achew22:

um... time.nist.gov is down....

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TheAsp:

pool.ntp.org

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achew22:

i like pools

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achew22:

anyways.. can we work on my sound card while thats emerging?

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achew22:

http://pastebin.com/629864 that doesn't look good

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TheAsp:

looks like you are missing some things

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achew22:

such as?

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achew22:

I genkerneled shouldn't that have detected my hardware and added the proper modules?

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TheAsp:

*shrug* i havent built a kernel in years

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achew22:

kormoc any ideas?

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achew22:

TheAsp what distro do you use?

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TheAsp:

well, i have but only as a small modification of an existing kernel :P

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TheAsp:

ubuntu currently

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achew22:

agg

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kormoc:

achew22, genkernel will compile the module, you still need to tell it to load it

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achew22:

I used ubuntu... then kormoc convinced me to try gentoo...

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TheAsp:

im sick of messing around with kernels :)

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achew22:

okay, how do I determine which one to use and how do I tell it to use it?

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TheAsp:

are you using modules or not?

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achew22:

modules

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Spruit_elf:

achew22: did you read the handbook on that?

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TheAsp:

im sure there is some special gentoo way

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achew22:

I did emerge vanilla-sources

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roger55:

achew22, did you emerge alsa-driver ?

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TheAsp:

i cant imagine it making people start off with a stock kernel config :P

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achew22:

then I did genkernel (as per instructions)

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achew22:

[ebuild R ] media-sound/alsa-driver-1.0.10-r2 -debug -doc +oss 0 kB

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achew22:

doesn't that mean that I have already got it?

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kormoc:

TheAsp, genkernel compiles every module, akin to fedora and co

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kormoc:

that's the driver, aye

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roger55:

achew22, that's right, but externaml modules need to be rebuilt if you compile a different kernel

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TheAsp:

ah

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achew22:

damnit!

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achew22:

roger55 you get a kookie

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kormoc:

achew22, I did mention that the other day...

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roger55:

and I need to lern to type properly

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achew22:

did you? I'm sorry

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achew22:

I reemerged everytyhing I thought I had

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roger55:

achew22, just make sure /usr/src/linux points to your current kernels sourcetree

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achew22:

i redid ivtv and nvidia

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roger55:

achew22, then emerge alsa-driver

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achew22:

TheAsp see — I told you I would look stupid

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achew22:

its curently emerging

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achew22:

kormoc I once again find myself emerging 3 things at the same time

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achew22:

so, I have a question about dmesg — does it only show hardware errors? or setup info? or what?

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roger55:

achew22, it shows the kernel's log.

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TheAsp:

100% kernel spew

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achew22:

so its the same as ctrl+alt+F12

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roger55:

achew22, no.

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achew22:

whats ctrlaltf12 then?

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roger55:

achew22, ctrl+alt+F12 shows your complete syslog

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achew22:

hrm...

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roger55:

achew22, same as 'tail -f /var/log/messages'

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

this is the most frustrating part of linux... compiling

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TheAsp:

you mean gentoo

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TheAsp:

:P

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** kormoc finds it is a very good thing bout gentoo **

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achew22:

no, I compiled stuff when I used ubuntu and debian

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achew22:

kormoc I agree-- its nice, because it will run faster, but it takes so much longer at the beginning

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TheAsp:

there is not much that isnt in debian

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kormoc:

I don't find that it runs faster

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kormoc:

it just runs better :)

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TheAsp:

speed benefits are a myth

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achew22:

ahh

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TheAsp:

you might get a tiny bit

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kormoc:

TheAsp, well, depends on the program, there are a few for certain applications

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achew22:

well... whats the difference between better and faster?

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TheAsp:

but nothing most people would notice

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kormoc:

more stable, less issues with depends breaking, etc

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achew22:

it lets me call myself a super nerd ;) even though I hardly do anything... basicly kormoc runs my box

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achew22:

on the gentoo site it refers to gentoo-bsd what is that?

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roger55:

achew22, a sub-project bringing portage to bsd.

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achew22:

cool

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achew22:

so I would assume that gentoo osx is a osx port of portage?

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roger55:

achew22, portage on top of osx. I don't know much about it for the lack of a mac...

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achew22:

portage is really just emerge right?

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roger55:

achew22, no.

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achew22:

what else does it do?

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roger55:

achew22, portage is gentoo's package manager.

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roger55:

achew22, emerge is one command to tell it to do something.

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achew22:

okay...

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achew22:

is there a portage command?

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roger55:

no. but portageq

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roger55:

anyway back to mythtv stuff.

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roger55:

achew22, if you need gentoo things check #gentoo

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achew22:

okay

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Ryushin:

kormoc: Did you try the wireless bridge?

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kormoc:

Ryushin, yeah, but it wouldn't work, I think I need a crossover cable

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Ryushin:

That might be.

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Ryushin:

Did you not get a link light?

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kormoc:

right, no link lights at all when plugged into the comptuer

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kormoc:

plugged into the hub, it linked all nice and correct

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Kelerion:

evening all

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Ryushin:

Can't your make yourself a crosover?

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kormoc:

I'm getting one from here at work

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Ryushin:

That will be good. I could make you one and upload it

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kormoc:

yeah, that'd be great! :P

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Yellow-Snow:

someone help! arg = how do i fix "hda: cache flushes not supported"?! the hd works on the other computer but not my linux box = whats the hardware problem?

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haj:

uhm ... does the disk actually not work? it just looks like you can't flush the cache manually?

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haj:

could be som dma-issue i guess

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haj:

hdparm /dev/hda

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haj:

hdparm -d1 /dev/hda

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haj:

does that work ?

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achew22:

kormoc okay — I emerged alsa-driver, should sound just work now?

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Yellow-Snow:

i put the hd on my other comp and it boots.. bring it back to my box in my room and i get that error.. i reset my bios and nothing.. = it has worked before i changed out my powersupply

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haj:

Yellow-Snow: it dosn't look like an error that would stop the computer from booting to me... :o/ does it say anything else?

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Yellow-Snow:

it stops the hd from booting up... everything runs ... stops at .. hda: cache flushes not supported hda:

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Yellow-Snow:

arg i just changed the powersupply.. did i ruin something? i just dont get it.. ggrr let me see if i can boot up xp on it

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Weezey:

I have about three machines and a bunch of drives. How can I build some kind of fault tolerant array?

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dtm:

Weezey: read the software raid howto at tldp.org

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Weezey:

thanks

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haj:

Yellow-Snow: what does it say above that line?

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Yellow-Snow:

sec now i cant even get visual

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Yellow-Snow:

i swear... i love computers.. but when it comes to the hardware.. i always have problems out my... #$@

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dtm:

Weezey: assuming that your'e putting the drives each on a separate IDE interface (no slaves) and you only use the same size per drive (waste extra space on bigger ones)

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dtm:

Weezey: if a master or slave fails, the other one will halt too

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Weezey:

that's only two drives per system though.

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Weezey:

hmm. any other options?

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sandos:

dtm: why?

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sandos:

linux automatically shuts the channel down? Sounds stupid

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dtm:

no it doesn't. IDE does. coz it sux

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sandos:

uhm ok

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Weezey:

ide does suck

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sandos:

Ive never seen that happen...

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dtm:

that's waht i've read in my software raid research. the hardware itself does it.

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dtm:

apparently.

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sandos:

but only for exceptional errors Im sure

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sandos:

for example some ECC errors/bad blocks doesnt shut anything down

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sandos:

which is the kind of problems Ive seen on disks

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dtm:

if you read about those guys who built the 1TB for $800 or whatever a while back, they get the hardware raid card just coz it has 8 separate interfaces, and they only use 8 drives.

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dtm:

yeah unless the bad blocks exceed the drive's remapping table size

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dtm:

or there's a total mechanical failure

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dtm:

etc

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sandos:

nosun, I have a drive here which bad bocks, ie, not remapped

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sandos:

its fine

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sandos:

op

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sandos:

I seem to be hitting tab alot

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dtm:

your drive by definition is definitely not fine

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dtm:

i can't imagine what you could be thinking ^_^

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sandos:

I even once ran this drive with a 100cm cable, it gave me 100k+ errors.. did still not shut any IDE channel down =)

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dtm:

that's what a bad block is. is not fine.

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sandos:

well, Im telling you that my IDE channel does not shut down, anyway =)

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dtm:

noted

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