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Monday, March 27th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:41] imperfect-: anyone know?
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[00:01:59] Ediehow: hi
[00:02:04] Ediehow: why would mythtv be using 70%+ cpu?
[00:02:47] RaYmAn-Bx: lack of acceleration? Slow Cpu? Transcoding? The list goes on..
[00:03:00] fatmatt: mchou: what problems are you having with nvidia composite?
[00:03:01] Ediehow: i am using nvidia 8178 with geforce 6200 and twinview
[00:03:04] Ediehow: 2ghz athlon cpu
[00:03:19] Kelerion: what capture card?
[00:03:27] Ediehow: pvr150mce
[00:03:41] RaYmAn-Bx: Ediehow: when is it using 70% cpu? Always or when you watch livetv or what?
[00:03:49] Ediehow: well, i am watching livetv right now
[00:03:52] Ediehow: and it's around there
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[00:04:22] RaYmAn-Bx: what is using 70%? mythfrontend?
[00:04:24] Ediehow: almost any multitasking i do jutts the video
[00:04:25] Ediehow: mythtv
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[00:05:35] simcop2387: well turns out newer udev version suck, 079 works fine
[00:05:35] Ediehow: 80% right now
[00:05:42] RaYmAn-Bx: how is the cpu when watching a recorded program?
[00:05:59] simcop2387: heh i had 4,000,000 files in /tmp glad i finally cleaned it out
[00:06:17] Ediehow: i will have to see when watching a recorded show when i have one in a bit, but earlier it was "acting" the same way when i did stuff while watching a recording
[00:06:40] marmoset: anyone ever experimented with additional indexes on the db? It seems like it's much slower than it should be.
[00:07:04] RaYmAn-Bx: Ediehow: well..the cpu usage sounds like it's not using any hardware acceleration at all...
[00:07:18] Ediehow: what do i do?
[00:08:20] fatmatt: hmm is having 420mb of files under /var/log/mysql a bad thing?
[00:08:23] Kelerion: I'd recommend getting xvmc working.. don't ask me how though
[00:08:26] RaYmAn-Bx: well..first off, run glxinfo and look for direct rendering
[00:08:37] marmoset: fatmatt: only if you're short on disk space
[00:08:41] Ediehow: Kelerion: still trying to do that:O
[00:08:47] Ediehow: glxinfo
[00:08:48] Ediehow: name of display: :0.0
[00:08:48] Ediehow: display: :0 screen: 0
[00:08:48] Ediehow: direct rendering: Yes
[00:08:48] Ediehow: server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[00:08:48] Ediehow: server glx version string: 1.3
[00:09:20] marmoset: fatmatt: your mysqld is probably set up with query logging
[00:11:24] Ediehow: RaYmAn-Bx:
[00:11:30] Ediehow: i ran mplayer on my .nuv file
[00:11:36] Ediehow: and it is using less than 20%
[00:11:52] Ediehow: 17%
[00:12:01] marmoset: Ediehow: do you have deinterlacing and/or denoise enabled in for the frontend you're using?
[00:12:09] marmoset: s/in //
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[00:12:36] Ediehow: where can i check?
[00:12:48] Ediehow: tv settings?
[00:12:56] marmoset: um, it's under setup under tv playback I think
[00:12:58] Ediehow: deinterlace is on
[00:12:59] Ediehow: linear blend
[00:13:04] marmoset: that's part of the cpu usage
[00:13:17] Ediehow: change it to bob?
[00:13:26] marmoset: I dunno, just fyi, that can use CPU
[00:13:29] Kelerion: FE on my laptop is running at 20%.. sounds about right to me
[00:13:38] Ediehow: Kelerion: well, mythtv itself runs at 70% or so
[00:14:00] Kelerion: you mean mythbackend when you say "mythtv"?
[00:14:10] Ediehow: no, mythtv the executable
[00:14:36] Ediehow: changing to bob reduced cpu usage
[00:14:43] Ediehow: 33–44% now
[00:14:47] marmoset: coo
[00:15:05] Kelerion: ahh.. I don't use that
[00:15:16] Ediehow: still in the 40's with livetv
[00:15:19] Ediehow: anything else i can do/
[00:15:20] Ediehow: ?
[00:15:27] Ediehow: i have been posting to nvnews.net regarding xvmc
[00:15:30] Ediehow: i can't get it working with anything
[00:15:42] marmoset: deinterlacing is nice, I use a denoise filter too, makes for a great picture. doesn't work at all with hdtv tho, I need to figure that whole thing out
[00:15:57] marmoset: haha, cat just turned off mythtv
[00:16:48] Ediehow: does denoise use a lot of cpu?
[00:16:59] marmoset: yeah
[00:17:11] Ediehow: where do i mess with that?
[00:17:32] Ediehow: wow
[00:17:33] Ediehow: 88% now
[00:17:36] Ediehow: this is ridiculous
[00:17:39] marmoset: what cpu?
[00:17:46] Ediehow: amd 2ghz
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[00:18:15] marmoset: underneath where the interlace thing is there's a "filter" text box, you can put stuff there
[00:18:16] Ediehow: where is denoise?
[00:18:25] Ediehow: i didn't put anything there in custom
[00:18:26] marmoset: if there's nothing there you don't have one
[00:18:41] marmoset: seems like a crazy amount of cpu
[00:18:56] simcop2387: holy moly does 2.6.16-ck1 work alot faster
[00:19:03] Ediehow: when i had mythfrontend and mythtv running just now, mythtv was at 80% something
[00:19:04] Ediehow: cpu
[00:19:24] Ediehow: right now i am running mythtv on my second monitor
[00:19:25] Ediehow: 45% cpu
[00:19:30] Ediehow: is there acceleration?
[00:19:37] brasse: Hello! Can anyone tell me where I might find a detailed description of the channel table?
[00:19:41] marmoset: Ediehow: wait a sec, so you're not talking about mythfrontend cpu, you're talking about mythbackend cpu?
[00:19:47] Ediehow: it's all the same
[00:19:54] marmoset: not afaik
[00:19:59] imperfect-: Ediehow : It's two seperate processes though
[00:19:59] Ediehow: on this computer, it is
[00:20:00] marmoset: at least under linux ;)
[00:20:16] Ediehow: there are two mythtv processes
[00:20:17] imperfect-: Ediehow : It's important to figure out which process is doing all the cpu sucking
[00:20:36] marmoset: Ediehow: you're talking about the user that's running the process, not the processname I think
[00:20:39] Ediehow: i am talking about "mythtv" the process
[00:20:45] Ediehow: i just closed out mythtv
[00:20:47] marmoset: there is no mythtv process, afaik
[00:20:49] Ediehow: and mythtv process is no longer showing
[00:20:51] imperfect-: yeah
[00:20:55] Ediehow: i am talking about the executable mythtv
[00:20:56] imperfect-: there is either mythfrontend
[00:21:01] imperfect-: or mythbackend, I believe
[00:21:01] Ediehow: no, there is a mythtv binary
[00:21:09] marmoset: not that I know of
[00:21:15] marmoset: unless it's something quite custom
[00:21:15] Ediehow: which mythtv usr/bin/mythtv
[00:21:23] Kelerion: there is.. it's a "livetv only binary"
[00:21:29] Ediehow: right
[00:21:32] Kelerion: I just checked that out too.. I didn't know it was there
[00:21:42] marmoset: ah
[00:21:49] marmoset: I didn't know that either :)
[00:21:52] Kelerion: I've never used it
[00:21:53] marmoset: I never watch live tv tho
[00:21:56] Ediehow: bbiab
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[00:22:28] marmoset: between tivo, freevo, and mythtv I think it's been like 5 years since I watched live tv other than at bars ;)
[00:22:46] dtm: marmoset: o/
[00:22:50] bmk789: anyone seen jasper lately?
[00:24:11] roe_: does anyone have the composite in working? on a hauppauge250?
[00:24:28] marmoset: roe_: I've used it in the past, not for mythtv tho
[00:25:04] roe_: I'm trying to get my cable box to output to it
[00:25:35] marmoset: what's going wrong?
[00:26:09] brasse: hmm, when I run mythfilldatabase --manual, should I answer SE7 (or something like that) when it asks me for channel number?
[00:26:17] roe_: it won't change to the output
[00:26:51] marmoset: huh, dunno :/
[00:26:51] roe_: the error in the log report "changing from WacthingLiveTV to None"
[00:28:03] defi_: `why would root only be able to use xine in 16:9
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[01:26:43] imperfect-: Anyone know what I can do to increase performace on music library database updates?
[01:28:50] imperfect-: Anyone around?
[01:29:03] imperfect-: Is it possible to have different modules connect to different backends?
[01:29:19] imperfect-: I'd like to have a backend that does just movies/music out on the network
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[01:30:43] Ediehow: 2006-03–26 19:25:56.080 NVP: Video is 18.3536 frames ahead of audio, dropping frame.
[01:30:49] xris: imperfect-: movies/music are handled by the frontend, not the backend
[01:30:50] Ediehow: 2006-03–26 19:25:47.839 dropping back audio_buffer_unused
[01:30:50] Ediehow: 2006-03–26 19:25:47.960 dropping back audio_buffer_unused
[01:30:55] Ediehow: what's with all those?
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[01:59:54] Kelerion: guys... anyone any pointers on how I go about setting up my laptops HD display? I've never setup HD before and no idea where to start
[02:00:53] Kelerion: it's running fine now at 1280x800. do I have to do anything to tell X to consider the display as HD?
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[02:16:46] simcop2387: hmm mythtv didn't record the simpsons...
[02:16:56] streaky: lol
[02:17:06] streaky: and i forgot family guy was on :p
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[02:20:44] streaky: omg
[02:22:21] streaky: so i just figured out my problem.. gentoo had 2 versions of qt emerged (3 and 4) – both originaly compiled without mysql USE flag – i was recompiling qt in slot 4 (for qt 4) with mysql support wondering wth was going on, when what i needed to be doing was recompiling slot 3 :/
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[02:47:23] imperfect-: exit
[02:49:39] D-side: egress
[02:55:14] streaky: emanation
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[02:58:30] eiggirC: departation
[03:01:43] Kelerion: exodus
[03:01:56] Kelerion: retreat
[03:02:03] Kelerion: withdrawal
[03:02:42] D-side: finis
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[03:04:46] eiggirC: exit(0);
[03:06:49] jesusfish: anyone know whay mythtv wouldn't capture audio from /dev/dsp1, yet if I 'cat /dev/dsp1' and use the tuner, there seems to be output on it?
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[03:31:18] Cardoe: jesusfish: cat /dev/dsp1 to what?
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[04:05:26] jesusfish: hmmm...so now I get audio when I watch TV, but it does not seem to record it
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[04:13:11] madcat`: doh, the autoinstaller thing i tried to use won't work as easily on SATA
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[04:15:39] sphing: anyone doing diskless a frontend?
[04:18:24] madcat`: anyone else here use KnoppMyth with SATA?
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[04:30:24] benklop: hey everyone
[04:30:37] benklop: i'm having a few problems with my myth boxes...
[04:30:52] benklop: any movie i record seems to be cut off
[04:31:01] benklop: at around 40 minutes or so
[04:31:16] Beirdo: let me guess
[04:31:17] benklop: sometimes longer,
[04:31:18] nyxx: I had one that cut off at the last 15 minutes the other day
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[04:31:24] Beirdo: file sizes 2G?
[04:31:27] benklop: but so far, to hasnt recoreded a movie all the way through
[04:31:42] benklop: let me see
[04:31:59] benklop: i am using xfs, i didnt think there was a filesize restriction there
[04:32:10] Beirdo: OK, shouldn't be that then
[04:32:36] benklop: 5.4 GB is the last one that got cut off
[04:32:36] Beirdo: unless you are using NFS
[04:32:40] Beirdo: ah
[04:32:42] Beirdo: not that then
[04:32:56] Beirdo: NFS below v3 has 2G limit too
[04:33:09] benklop: in the OSD it shows the full length, but it stops playing and asks me if i want to delete or save after 40 minutes
[04:33:33] benklop: i am using nfs on this frontend
[04:33:58] benklop: but the file was saved and recorded on the machine hosting the share
[04:35:10] Beirdo: and played back over NFS?
[04:35:27] Beirdo: what's your mount line look like for that NFS share?
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[04:35:41] Beirdo: in the fstab
[04:35:55] [R]: this might sound like a stupid question, but you can tie 1 videosource to 2 cards right?
[04:36:00] Beirdo: yes
[04:36:06] Beirdo: you can
[04:36:10] [R]: that way i only need 1 channel list right?
[04:36:36] banyan: I have a problem since I upgraded from fc4 to fc5 and got the last mythtv upgrade. Now, when I go to the recordings menu, it flickers where the preview and title show up, and Xorg uses a lot of my cpu time.
[04:37:25] benklop: mythserver:/mnt/store /mnt/store nfs user 0 0
[04:38:18] Beirdo: oh JEEZ
[04:38:22] Beirdo: that's your problem
[04:38:45] Beirdo: barrel:/opt/mp3 /opt/mp3 nfs rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,posix,nfsve
[04:38:49] Beirdo: rs=3,bg 2 2
[04:38:49] banyan: And it takes like 10–15 seconds to respond to a keystroke.
[04:39:00] Beirdo: banyan, likely the OpenGL stuff
[04:39:12] Beirdo: if you are using SVN mythtv, go read the commit comments
[04:39:28] banyan: I look at everything on the monitor except the actual live tv.
[04:39:39] benklop: Beirdo: didnt know
[04:39:40] Beirdo: benklop, the nfsvers=3 (which got wrapped) is necessary
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[04:39:46] benklop: what do those options do
[04:39:52] Beirdo: the rsize and wsize give better performance
[04:39:55] Beirdo: man mount :)
[04:40:19] banyan: And this is the myth off atrpms.
[04:40:40] Beirdo: soft, posix and bg are used for other stuff, but are usually helpful
[04:40:44] Beirdo: banyan, no idea
[04:40:57] Beirdo: I stopped using atrpms over a year ago
[04:41:04] banyan: You mean SVN as ...?
[04:41:14] Beirdo: huh?
[04:41:19] Beirdo: svn.... subversion...
[04:41:20] banyan: What does svn mean?
[04:41:26] Beirdo: version control system
[04:41:34] madcat`: subversion, it's a version control system simular to cvs
[04:41:46] benklop: thanks bierdo
[04:41:55] Beirdo: no prob, benklop
[04:42:06] benklop: would that have effected livetv as well?
[04:42:13] Beirdo: basically, your NFS is likely running v2 and fails on reading past 2G
[04:42:17] Beirdo: yes
[04:42:28] benklop: hum
[04:42:31] benklop: thx
[04:42:36] Beirdo: no problemo :)
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[04:43:04] banyan: 0.19.20060121–2 is the version.
[04:43:25] benklop: now... think there is any way to get that movie i just deleted back?
[04:43:31] Beirdo: hehehe
[04:43:34] Beirdo: not likely
[04:43:39] benklop: darn
[04:43:55] Beirdo: UNIX and undelete aren't really acquainted
[04:44:01] benklop: yeah.....
[04:44:09] benklop: i fugures it was a recording problem
[04:44:13] benklop: not a frontend one
[04:44:17] Beirdo: :)
[04:44:18] benklop: *figured
[04:44:41] Beirdo: remount that share on the frontend, and see if it behaves better, I bet that's the issue
[04:44:43] benklop: ok, next problem:)
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[04:45:12] Insomnia_attacks: okay i hope i dont get booted for asking this, but what are the chances that the all-in-wonder card will be supported in the future?
[04:45:27] Beirdo: somewhere between fat and slim
[04:45:33] nosun: a 2ghz box with 128mb ram and 64mb vid card can do as a mythtv all in one box right?
[04:45:33] benklop: i have an saa7534 tv card , msi tvanywhere plus. it seems that every time i change channels it mutes the card temporarily, and it cant unmute it
[04:45:33] Insomnia_attacks: okay, thank you
[04:45:47] nosun: aka front end plus whatever else right?
[04:45:47] Beirdo: go talk to the people who wrote the V4L non-compliant drivers :)
[04:45:52] benklop: i have to reset the capture source in alsamixer every time i change channels
[04:46:17] Beirdo: nosun, you will want more RAM, likely
[04:46:26] benklop: its the alsa driver for the card that is acting wierd
[04:46:26] Beirdo: benklop, dunno, but that kinda sucks
[04:46:35] benklop: yeah
[04:46:42] madcat`: any slamd64 users here/
[04:46:57] nosun: benklop, you agree with Beirdo?
[04:46:57] Beirdo: WTF?
[04:47:08] nosun: or think I could do it with 128:P
[04:47:17] Beirdo: nosun, you'll end up heavily in swap, but give it a try
[04:47:21] benklop: nosun: yeah, i dont like unmuting each time
[04:47:30] Beirdo: I use 512MB on my PVR
[04:47:40] nosun: what?
[04:47:47] nosun: unmuting?
[04:47:50] banyan: I would have expected that a problem this severe would show up with more people than just me.
[04:47:51] benklop: nothing
[04:47:52] Beirdo: and I'm 204MB into swap
[04:48:10] Beirdo: banyan, FC5 has been out what? A week?
[04:48:19] benklop: thing is i dont remember having this problem before
[04:48:22] Beirdo: like many people are even using it
[04:48:34] banyan: Well, fair enough, lol
[04:48:47] nosun: I suppose I will try my luck at slackware to pull off my mythtv box
[04:49:02] nosun: unless you guys thing with 128 its safe to go with debian:P
[04:49:06] Insomnia_attacks: another newb question, what chance is there of mythtv being ported to windows? are there to many linux-specific functions?
[04:49:26] Beirdo: nosun, the distro won't be the issue :)
[04:49:32] benklop: nosun: you might do well wqith gentoo, its great when you have really low system specs and need to tune a lot to get perforemance
[04:49:39] Beirdo: it'd be the memory use by myth :) but go nuts
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[04:49:57] nosun: would 256 do?
[04:50:03] Beirdo: be better
[04:50:04] Beirdo: :)
[04:50:16] nosun: whats the say default amount?
[04:50:17] nosun: ;)
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[04:50:27] nosun: not to much not to little
[04:50:28] nosun: :P
[04:50:44] Beirdo: 512MB would be what I'd consider minimum, personally
[04:50:52] madcat`: 1 gig is cheap
[04:50:57] banyan: You can run the frontend on windows.
[04:51:04] madcat`: if you go for that, then go for 2*512 sticks in dual channel
[04:52:04] nosun: I have 2*512 dual chan:P
[04:52:08] nosun: on my main
[04:52:08] nosun: :P
[04:52:17] nosun: but thats personal use:P
[04:52:19] banyan: me too!
[04:52:49] nosun: me thing was that I bought 512 then relized I need 1gb to play quake 4 on ultra high:P
[04:53:00] nosun: OCZ
[04:53:01] nosun: :)
[04:53:48] nosun: really tobad I don't have any other mobo's that support this 2400+ that can use sdram
[04:53:56] nosun: that I can go up to 512 no prob
[04:53:56] nosun: :P
[04:54:06] nosun: but ddr I got next to no sticks of:P
[04:54:11] nosun: all in use
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[04:55:20] nosun: not bad a no name brand 512 costs 50$
[04:55:26] nosun: I'll keep it in mind:P
[04:55:39] nosun: 256 costs 30$
[04:55:39] nosun: :P
[04:56:15] nosun: maybe I shouldn't of bought the Zen Vision:M just now:P
[04:56:29] nosun: damn mp3 player cost rape
[04:56:39] madcat`: uhh, i got good 512M sticks for $50 ... and that was at frys so i overpaid slightly
[04:56:40] nosun: is a sw33t thing though:)
[04:57:34] nosun: I'm dealing with Canadian money:P
[04:57:43] nosun: $72.99 for 512 ocz
[04:57:46] nosun: there non dual chan
[04:57:59] nosun: actually not much diff for the dual chan
[04:58:00] nosun: :P
[04:58:00] Beirdo: How's Winterpeg?
[04:58:04] nosun: 76.99
[04:58:12] banyan: Whipanegg.
[04:58:15] nosun: oh beautiful
[04:58:15] nosun: :)
[04:58:32] nosun: wet like a bitch
[04:58:37] nosun: and muddy too
[04:58:37] nosun: :P
[04:59:16] Beirdo: nice
[04:59:33] Beirdo: the weather here at the centre of the universe is decent
[04:59:52] nosun: where you at?
[04:59:58] Beirdo: heh
[05:00:05] Beirdo: you a fake Canadian? :)
[05:00:14] Beirdo: where's the centre of the universe in this country? :)
[05:00:21] Beirdo: heh
[05:00:27] Beirdo: downtown Toronto
[05:00:36] nosun: wtf:S
[05:00:42] nosun: thats not center
[05:00:47] Beirdo: sure it is
[05:00:48] nosun: winnipeg is damn center;)
[05:00:59] nosun: check the map of north america
[05:00:59] Beirdo: everything in this country revolves around Toronto
[05:01:08] nosun: do you see toronto in the middle;)
[05:01:12] Beirdo: all the assholes seem to gravitate here
[05:01:15] nosun: fuck that
[05:01:21] Beirdo: heheh
[05:01:21] nosun: sorry disagree:)
[05:01:34] nosun: but thats ok
[05:01:40] nosun: Portuguese own toronto
[05:01:41] Beirdo: you don't hear about Winnipeg screwing over the rest of the country much :)
[05:01:44] nosun: and I'm portuguese:)
[05:01:49] Beirdo: ummm
[05:01:52] Beirdo: Chinese own Toronto
[05:01:59] Beirdo: and Italians
[05:02:04] nosun: we own it secretly;)
[05:02:32] Beirdo: heh
[05:02:38] nosun: we do
[05:02:43] Beirdo: OOOOK ;)
[05:02:47] nosun: just ask;)
[05:03:32] Beirdo: speaking of Chinese... I need to go to Canada Computers sometime soon to get some more parts to rebuild a machine for mom
[05:03:51] nosun: heh
[05:03:55] nosun: me I need $$$
[05:03:58] nosun: I'm running low
[05:03:59] nosun: :)
[05:04:11] nosun: 170 is gonna go towards a OCZ psu for my comp
[05:04:21] nosun: since currently I'm running 2 psu's:P
[05:04:31] nosun: ATX is powering the mobo
[05:04:37] nosun: and AT is powering the rest
[05:04:48] nosun: low cost way to solve low wattage problem;)
[05:05:07] nosun: no-name brand psu:P
[05:05:19] Beirdo: YAY
[05:05:23] Beirdo: my script behaved
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[05:05:35] nosun: what does it do?
[05:05:43] nosun: p0wn newbs?
[05:05:47] nosun: travel threw time?
[05:05:48] Beirdo: captures streaming audio
[05:05:53] Beirdo: and converts to MP3
[05:05:59] nosun: oh
[05:06:06] nosun: ah
[05:06:09] Beirdo: the scheduling part is not QUITE right, but getting close
[05:06:12] nosun: now thats something useful:P
[05:06:12] nosun: jk's
[05:06:19] Beirdo: it is :)
[05:06:32] Beirdo: especially with www.publicradiofan.org
[05:06:33] nosun: my zen vision:m is better they your mp3 player:D
[05:06:39] Beirdo: bah
[05:06:49] Beirdo: my ipod does exactly what I want
[05:06:59] nosun: this does what I want and more
[05:07:04] nosun: and better then your ipod;)
[05:07:12] nosun: and it travels threw time
[05:07:15] Beirdo: doubtful
[05:07:17] nosun: only forward though
[05:07:42] nosun: the travelling back in time issue will be eventually fixed in the firmware
[05:08:15] nosun: I was actually about to buy a Ipod video 60gb
[05:08:19] Beirdo: I'll kick it into next week
[05:08:40] nosun: but I heard to much bad about ipod's in general
[05:08:47] nosun: so I waited till zen vision:m
[05:09:14] nosun: which if nothing else has a wider range of features and support for formats
[05:09:26] nosun: which you don't pay extra for:P
[05:09:43] Beirdo: meh
[05:09:43] nosun: costs same price as Ipod 30gb
[05:09:52] nosun: 379$
[05:10:15] nosun: what ipod you got though?
[05:10:19] nosun: also hows it handled?
[05:10:21] nosun: ;)
[05:10:29] nosun: interested slightly
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[05:10:37] Beirdo: 40G 4th gen (I think)
[05:10:44] Beirdo: and I treat it well, of course
[05:10:47] nosun: cause what I read it that they have a shitload of battery issues
[05:10:55] Beirdo: never had a problem
[05:10:58] Beirdo: people are stupid
[05:11:11] nosun: but I could never find out if its in general
[05:11:16] nosun: or just due to stupid use
[05:11:28] Beirdo: the latter I think
[05:11:31] nosun: like for instance my sister with some crap....
[05:11:41] nosun: recharge batterys only a bit on first use
[05:11:42] Beirdo: it's more of a problem with muggings than batteries
[05:11:50] nosun: and then the batterys have shitty life:P
[05:12:12] nosun: muggings?
[05:12:25] Beirdo: people get mugged for their ipods
[05:12:32] nosun: :S
[05:12:46] nosun: would be funny if someone jumped me asked me to give em my ipod;)
[05:12:58] banyan: Oh, you can use gtkpod.
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[05:13:13] Beirdo: yeah, so funny whtn they kill you because you have some knock-off :)
[05:13:14] banyan: It doesn't deal with podcasts in and of itself though.
[05:13:15] nosun: gtkpod?
[05:13:28] banyan: It is somewhat akin to itunes.
[05:13:47] nosun: I don't get the deal with itune
[05:13:54] nosun: though saying that I haven't tried it;)
[05:13:58] nosun: also I have syncing
[05:14:05] nosun: no matter what device your using:P
[05:14:13] ** Beirdo slaps his script **
[05:14:16] nosun: pisses the shit out of me
[05:14:16] banyan: Without the purchasing online or the potcasts.
[05:14:32] banyan: It's a nice slick interface.
[05:14:46] Beirdo: date +%c --date "this sunday" ALWAYS means the sunday after today or today
[05:14:53] Beirdo: I want the sunday of this week
[05:14:55] Beirdo: dammit
[05:15:19] nosun: well me go goodnights...
[05:15:29] Beirdo: argh, dammit!
[05:15:29] nosun: watch some pr0n secretly;P
[05:15:30] nosun: jk's
[05:15:39] Beirdo: and it didn't put it into the database
[05:15:44] Beirdo: fugh
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[05:15:48] nosun: the zen is still virgin... no pron yet;)
[05:15:54] Ediehow: is xvmc hardware decoding?
[05:16:11] Beirdo: google broken?
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[05:16:21] Ediehow: Beirdo: apparently sarcasm isn't
[05:16:45] Ediehow: anyone got xvmc working with 8178?
[05:17:21] dscoular: Ediehow: worked for me but I switched it off coz I didn't like gray OSD
[05:17:29] Beirdo: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at ./daemon.pl line 22
[05:17:32] Beirdo: 2.
[05:17:35] Beirdo: hheheh
[05:17:38] Beirdo: oops
[05:17:43] Ediehow: dscoular: it worked for you with 8178?
[05:18:06] dscoular: yep... I know I shouldn't be running 8178 with myth but I didn't have any problems
[05:18:27] Ediehow: dscoular: but you chose xvmc under mythfrontend and it was using it, with 8178?
[05:18:35] Ediehow: i just want to make sure
[05:19:01] dscoular: Ediehow: Yes... otherwise I wouldn't had my OSD go gray all of a sudden.
[05:19:24] Ediehow: were you using twinview?
[05:19:26] dscoular: Ediehow: "all of a sudden" being after I chose XvMC in the setup ;)
[05:19:56] dscoular: I only have TV out connected. Let me check if I have Twinview still enabled.
[05:20:07] Ediehow: for some reason xvmc doesn't work with mplayer, xine, or myth
[05:20:10] Ediehow: i don't understand why
[05:20:19] Ediehow: i just upgraded to fc5 with x 7 etc, still same problem
[05:21:08] dscoular: Ediehow: I disabled all the TwinView related options.
[05:21:12] Ediehow: hmm
[05:21:18] Ediehow: i wonder if that's the problem
[05:21:22] Ediehow: if that's why xvmc doesn't work
[05:22:18] dscoular: I had problems with mplayer and xvmc. I have gentoo and I asked it to compile in the options for XvMC but when I did "mplayer -vo help" it didn't list xvmc.
[05:23:23] dscoular: XvMC gave me about 15% cpu versus 30% cpu on playback.
[05:23:47] dscoular: Since I don't have an HD capable output device... I didn't pursue it.
[05:24:18] Ediehow: hmm
[05:24:22] Ediehow: i really want to get xvmc working
[05:24:30] Ediehow: it hasn't worked on 7676, the one after that, or 8178
[05:25:39] dscoular: (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[05:25:39] dscoular: compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.8178
[05:25:53] Ediehow: glx seems to work
[05:25:54] Ediehow: from glxinfo
[05:25:56] Ediehow: just xvmc
[05:26:52] Ediehow: 2006-03–26 01:18:29.909 DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory
[05:26:52] Ediehow: ?
[05:27:39] dscoular: Did you install from the NVidia installer or a Red Hat rpm ?
[05:27:53] Ediehow: had to use nvidia installer because had to patch for fc5
[05:29:29] dscoular: Does xdpyinfo show the XVideo-MotionCompensation extension as being available ?
[05:30:47] Ediehow: xdpyinfo |grep -i Xvideo
[05:30:47] Ediehow: XVideo
[05:30:47] Ediehow: XVideo-MotionCompensation
[05:31:02] dscoular: Then you should be able to use XVMC clients.
[05:31:20] Ediehow: yeah, you'd think so
[05:31:25] Ediehow: i usually get a few seconds of sound
[05:31:27] Ediehow: no video
[05:31:29] Ediehow: and that's it
[05:32:20] dscoular: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC is all I can think of
[05:32:29] Ediehow: it's not just with myth:(
[05:33:02] dscoular: That howto covers xine and mplayer
[05:33:13] dscoular: xine -V xxmc
[05:33:23] dscoular: mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc
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[05:34:15] Ediehow: i tried both of those:L(
[05:34:28] Ediehow: xine just does nothing, no video, but a few seconds audio
[05:34:42] dscoular: What about commenting out twinview ?
[05:34:45] Ediehow: let me try turning off twinview real quick
[05:34:46] Ediehow: hold on
[05:35:08] Ediehow: Option "TwinView " "on"
[05:35:10] Ediehow: just turn that off?
[05:35:24] Ediehow: do i need to mess with related lines?
[05:35:45] Ediehow: i just commented out
[05:35:45] Ediehow: hold on
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[05:36:18] dscoular: http://staff.dstc.edu.au/croy/dtv/
[05:36:32] dscoular: Ediehow: it says xvmc and twinview don't mix
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[05:47:21] ragawu: evening
[05:48:45] mchou: hey, anyone know how to get alsa dmix working with realtek alc850?
[05:50:00] mchou: oh, never mind
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[05:51:02] Ediehow: :(
[05:51:24] phar0e_: HELOOOOO
[05:51:33] phar0e_: don't you hate when everything just works?
[05:52:06] ragawu: I really can't decide what to do about my choice of remote control. should I get a uk sky+ (pvr) remote with tiny little keyboard (very familiar remote to many people, all main mythtv button requirements, very cheap, tiny keyboard for kitten email) and use a diy ir blaster to control my amp and tv, or a much more expensive jp1 compatible one for all/radio shack to control everything?
[05:54:19] ragawu: I wish I could make decisions like these more easily
[05:58:45] phar0e_: well I don't like little keyboards, that's all I have to say
[05:59:56] Ediehow: dscoular: no go
[05:59:59] Ediehow: xine did the same thing
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[06:02:08] ragawu: I just figured I wouldnt be using the keyboard often. does anyone use a keyboard with their setup?
[06:06:23] phar0e_: I use a wireless keyboard for my frontend, nearly full sized. It just feels more comfortable for me when editing cut lists for recordings to have a full keyboard
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[06:10:33] jasperbg: Hi all
[06:10:40] phar0e_: g'day jasper!
[06:10:55] jasperbg: I'm having a bit of a problem getting my remote to work...
[06:11:00] jasperbg: it is /dev/input/event0
[06:11:10] jasperbg: and running irw i get the correct button output and everything
[06:11:16] jasperbg: so /etc/lircd.conf must be OK
[06:11:23] jasperbg: but inside mythfrontend the remote does nothing
[06:11:33] jasperbg: i have a /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc file too
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[06:12:12] jasperbg: (i've built lirc support into mythtv. I'm on Gentoo)
[06:12:24] phar0e_: can user mythtv use the remote with irw?
[06:13:03] jasperbg: yup, su – mythtv and then irw works too
[06:15:14] phar0e_: have you already checked output from mythfrontend to see if there are any errors?
[06:16:31] jasperbg: I was just checking that right then... this error appears every time I press a remote button:
[06:16:32] jasperbg: LookupDeviceIntRec id=0x8 not found
[06:17:25] jasperbg: the id changes for one of the messages
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[06:18:20] phar0e_: well I have never used lirc but I'd guess mythtv isn't able to communicate with the remote obviously
[06:18:33] jasperbg: that could be X output though, as I'm running a little script that starts X and mythfrontend
[06:18:40] jasperbg: but it does appear on every remote keypress
[06:18:50] phar0e_: I don't remember seeing any lirc options in the mythfrontend settings section, but maybe there is? if there isn't then maybe gentoo didn't compile support in for it properly?
[06:19:40] jasperbg: possible. I'll try using irxevent and see if that works. if it does then that is likely the problem
[06:19:44] jasperbg: thanks
[06:23:01] T`: hey guys.. anyone know how to make the OSD fonts appearing in mythtv not look faded out? their edges aren't clear
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[06:42:50] Beirdo: almost ready to let my streaming radio capture just run all the time :)
[06:43:24] jasperbg: phar0e_: I've tried with irxevent with no success
[06:43:34] jasperbg: i'm pretty sure LIRC got compiled in OK, because:
[06:43:44] jasperbg: # ldd /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so | grep lirc gives:
[06:43:51] jasperbg: liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb61ef000)
[06:46:01] jasperbg: the only other odd thing is i get this in my syslog:
[06:46:03] jasperbg: [lircd-0.8.0] can't get exclusive access to events comming from `/dev/input/event0' interface
[06:46:15] jasperbg: but googling that would indicate that it's nothing to worry about
[06:46:56] jasperbg: however, the fact that that and a few other lircd-related lines (like "accepting new client...") appear when i start mythfrontend would indicate that mythfrontend is connecting to lircd OK
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[06:51:33] mchou: Beirdo: what do you use to decode rm streams?
[06:51:39] Beirdo: mplayer
[06:51:50] Beirdo: I told you yesterday, sheesh :)
[06:51:57] mchou: whith which codec specifically?
[06:52:02] mchou: with*
[06:52:04] Beirdo: whichever one it needs
[06:52:10] mchou: goddamn
[06:52:20] mchou: can you be more specific?
[06:52:23] Beirdo: no
[06:52:32] Beirdo: each stream requires specific codecs
[06:52:41] mchou: mplayer -identify -verbose
[06:52:55] Beirdo: it depends on the fuckin stream
[06:53:16] mchou: I just asked for the rm stream
[06:53:22] mchou: say bbc7
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[06:53:32] Beirdo: I think it's racook
[06:53:50] Beirdo: some use rasipr
[06:54:04] mchou: where do you get that codec from? my mplayer wont tune in to bbc7
[06:54:15] Beirdo: scome use raatrc
[06:54:23] Beirdo: it's in the w32codecs package
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[06:54:45] mchou: nah, I installed that. no joy on bbc7
[06:55:30] mchou: that includes the (linux)real-codecs and the win32 real codecs
[06:56:16] Beirdo: it's using ra10cook
[06:57:18] mchou: only helix player seems to decode bbc7 on my machine
[06:58:05] Beirdo: works fine here :)
[06:58:40] mchou: is the file called ra10cook or something else?
[06:58:58] Beirdo: opening shared obj '/usr/lib/win32/cook.so'
[06:59:11] Beirdo: Selected audio codec: [ra10cook] afm:realaud (RealPlayer 10 COOK audio)
[06:59:26] mchou: whats md5sum on that file?
[06:59:52] Beirdo: a36d7494e3a3ae47959330c4b1ebac02 /usr/lib/win32/cook.so
[07:00:07] mchou: ok, thx
[07:00:12] Beirdo: no prob
[07:03:22] jasperbg: One other thing guys, still haven't sorted my remote issue but can live with that for now. Bigger problem is that I can't change channel
[07:03:41] jasperbg: Live TV plays fine, but as soon as I change channels it hangs for 10–15 sec and then boots me back to main menu
[07:03:45] jasperbg: I get this in the frontend logs:
[07:03:52] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:16.277 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[07:03:55] jasperbg: (repeated several times)
[07:04:07] jasperbg: and then:
[07:04:08] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.077 ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[07:04:08] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.077 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.
[07:04:08] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.084 LiveTVChain(live-jesus-2006-03–27T19:00:00): SwitchTo() not switching to current
[07:04:08] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.089 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None
[07:04:09] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.107 WriteStringList: Bad socket
[07:04:13] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.107 ReadStringList: Bad socket
[07:04:15] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.107 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.
[07:04:17] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:00:27.708 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
[07:06:39] jasperbg: and on the backend I get:
[07:06:40] jasperbg: Unable to write to client socket, as it's no longer there
[07:07:06] jasperbg: the other thing is, when I first start watching Live TV, I get:
[07:07:07] jasperbg: 2006-03–27 19:06:11.153 RingBuf(/var/mythtv/1005_20060327190611.nuv): Invalid file (fd 14) when opening '/var/mythtv/1005_20060327190611.nuv'. 12 retries remaining.
[07:07:20] Beirdo: PLEASE use pastebin
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[07:07:31] jasperbg: sorry :|
[07:08:54] Beirdo: GAH
[07:09:05] Beirdo: stupid publicradiofan.com
[07:09:13] Beirdo: they put Sa, Su for the days
[07:09:19] Beirdo: but there's one case with SaSu
[07:09:22] Beirdo: grrr
[07:09:30] Beirdo: break my scraper will ya!
[07:12:32] mchou: wow, that's some weird shit
[07:15:04] Beirdo: wish they'd have XML
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[07:16:37] riksta: hey Beirdo
[07:16:40] riksta: what's crackin
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[07:23:57] Beirdo: not much
[07:24:18] Beirdo: just working on scripts to let me capture streaming audio the way I want to :)
[07:25:16] T`: hey guys.. anyone know how to make the OSD fonts appearing in mythtv not look faded out? their edges of the font aren't clear on mine
[07:26:32] Calroth: is there a generic way to shift the OSD left or right? mine is off-centre
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[07:43:42] Beirdo: OK, way past bedtime
[07:43:43] Beirdo: heh
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[07:49:05] drcode: hi all
[07:49:06] drcode: any one up
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[07:52:13] drcode: any one know if I can use diffrent DB?
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[07:53:08] Agrajag-: drcode: other than mysql? no
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[07:54:36] drcode: so only mysql will work?
[07:55:22] drcode: In first setting I mast have MySql
[07:55:34] drcode: or I can install mythTV without mysql?
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[07:56:25] Agrajag-: what? you need mysql on one machine if you're going to use mythtv
[07:57:07] drcode: k
[07:57:11] drcode: so mysql mast
[07:57:45] dtm: drcode: must
[07:57:57] dtm: drcode: you must have mysql.
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[07:58:19] dtm: drcode: you can't use mythtv without mysql
[07:58:20] drcode: k
[07:58:23] drcode: k
[07:58:25] drcode: thanx
[07:58:27] dtm: k
[07:58:28] drcode: I Will install it
[07:58:29] drcode: thanx
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[08:00:36] DMJC-D: my guide data is out of whack
[08:01:00] DMJC-D: says mythbusters is on at 6:30 when it's actually on at 7:30
[08:01:03] DMJC-D: anyway to fix that?
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[08:13:53] qu0zl: DMJC-D did you just have a daylight saving hour change? Is your pvr set to the correct timezone/day light savings settings?
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[08:14:27] qu0zl: if the xmltv feed is in unix time (seconds since epoch) then that could explain the hour problem. if it's not then ignore me :)
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[08:18:42] DMJC-D: hmm
[08:18:53] DMJC-D: I don't appear to have clock issues
[08:19:11] DMJC-D: my UTC looks a bit weird
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[08:27:08] Calroth: you should have updated your timezone files
[08:27:29] Calroth: due to the commonwealth games, daylight saving time has been extended 1 week, until next sunday
[08:27:41] Calroth: but unless you did the update, your computer will think that it's over already
[08:29:15] DMJC-D: the question then is how do you update the timezone files on gentoo?
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[08:29:35] Calroth: hold on, i'll get you a package
[08:30:22] DMJC-D: not sure if that's the issue though
[08:30:32] DMJC-D: the big thing is the guide itself is listing mythbusters as 6:30
[08:30:40] DMJC-D: when it should say it'll be on at 7:30
[08:31:12] Calroth: it's probably correcting for what it thinks your time zone should be, or something
[08:31:28] DMJC-D: hmm
[08:31:42] Calroth: from memory, I did an emerge -1 sys-libs/timezone-data
[08:31:54] Calroth: but it's masked, so you may need an ~x86
[08:32:35] Calroth: it's oneshot cos you'll only need it for the next week
[08:32:41] DMJC-D: ~amd64 atm
[08:33:04] DMJC-D: package appears to be unmasked
[08:33:13] Calroth: well, you can certainly try for it
[08:33:24] DMJC-D: once it's installed how do I update it?
[08:33:27] DMJC-D: /etc/localtime
[08:33:33] Calroth: should be automatic, i think
[08:33:36] DMJC-D: k
[08:33:46] Calroth: the guide being off by 1 hour is probably it adjusting for AEST but the guide data itself being in AEDST
[08:33:46] DMJC-D: rerun ntp-client?
[08:34:04] DMJC-D: the guide data is in adelaide time
[08:34:08] DMJC-D: and I'm in adelaide
[08:34:12] Calroth: ahh
[08:34:13] DMJC-D: it shouldn't try adjusting at all
[08:34:24] Calroth: in which case, i have no idea what the deal is :-)
[08:34:34] stuarta: since you are in Aus, you definitely need to update timezone data...
[08:34:47] Calroth: i thought SA went back to regular hours at the usual date, but could be wrong there
[08:35:04] stuarta: it's different this year due to the commonwealth games...
[08:35:08] DMJC-D: it's different
[08:35:17] Calroth: yeah but I thought it was eastern states only
[08:35:22] jasperbg: hey guys, if i'm using ALSA, what should I set as the audio device under capture cards in mythtv-setup ?
[08:35:24] Calroth: however, i'm sure you can work it out :-)
[08:35:37] phar0e_: stuarta: is the world scally short for scallywag?
[08:35:40] jasperbg: using ALSA:default the page reverts back to what was originally in there when I click next
[08:36:07] DMJC-D: looks like it's fixed
[08:36:10] DMJC-D: it's just done something
[08:36:21] Calroth: i think it picks it up more or less automatically
[08:36:38] stuarta: don't think that is the exact definition...
[08:37:06] DMJC-D: no idea how but that changed it
[08:37:35] DMJC-D: I'm getting a bizarre dual mythbusters entry now
[08:37:40] DMJC-D: running filldatabase to correct
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[08:38:23] Calroth: weird
[08:38:45] Calroth: the tv grabber probably expects that the time zone won't change on it :-)
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[08:41:35] Merlin83b3: Morning folks.
[08:41:48] stuarta: morning
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[08:43:07] Netslayer: i've noticed something really evil that Adelphia cable is doing
[08:43:26] Netslayer: i have a motorola 6200 connected via firewire to mythtv, and i've been recording on G4 lately
[08:43:46] Netslayer: since 3 days ago the firewire will no longer work on that station, and a few others taht i was previously recording on
[08:44:14] Netslayer: it looks like they are flagging channels and monitoring what it pushes through firewire..that's not fair
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[08:48:01] Chicago: Netslayer: at least you can still get an analog recording.
[08:48:34] Netslayer: now i have to build an external ir transmitter or learn how the firewire changes channels and make a script for that
[08:48:59] Netslayer: its sick, watch like 1 hr of the channels that aren't broadcast and it kills the firewire permanently
[08:49:44] Chicago: weird... what do you mean by watch channels that aren't broadcast...
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[08:50:20] Netslayer: broadcast like fox, cbs, abc, nbc, non broadcast like g4, mtv
[08:50:36] Netslayer: did that fcc ruling just apply to broadcast or .. anything else?
[08:51:00] Netslayer: i've tried rebooting the box, and cable box, it will not pick up G4 anymore
[08:51:45] Chicago: that really sucks... I'd switch to DirectTV... at least that signal is a one-way-only link.
[08:52:04] Netslayer: it changes the channel on the cable box, and never locks on
[08:52:06] Chicago: You were probabaly giving Adelphia feedback that you were watching it over cable.
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[08:53:24] Netslayer: they may have some stupid software thats flagging this activity for no reason. i love paying for stuff that doesn't work
[08:53:53] Chicago: I'd get them to come over and replace the cablebox... because it's not working anymore.
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[08:54:47] Netslayer: well it's just those few channels i had it set to record off of this weekend. i've been recording broadcast stations in hd fine over firewire..still work
[08:55:02] Netslayer: i might give them a call and complain
[08:55:12] Netslayer: funny, you won't believe the irony here
[08:55:23] Netslayer: they sent me a hallmark card today from Adelphia
[08:55:31] Netslayer: asking me how special i am as a new customer
[08:55:39] Chicago: lol
[08:55:40] Netslayer: and if i need anything
[08:55:57] Netslayer: the font was all handwritten so i thought it was a real card..messed up
[08:56:52] Chicago: Has anybody tried the opengl version of Myth?
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[08:57:36] Netslayer: yes.. and i disabled it
[08:57:45] Netslayer: menus way too slow (fade in/out effect)
[08:57:54] Netslayer: that's the only diff i saw
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[08:59:26] therp: excuse me, can I record regular FM radio with mythv? my tuner card has also got a radio module onboard
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[09:12:01] jasperbg: does anyone know what it means if I get heaps of "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times" in my frontend logs?
[09:12:48] Merlin83b3: jasperbg: Could be lots of things – are you seeing stuttering video or anything?
[09:13:12] jasperbg: not really, although the sound ain't working and it crashes when i change channels so it's a bit hard to tell :)
[09:13:27] Merlin83b3: Heh, I'd suggest you have bigger problems  :-)
[09:13:44] jasperbg: those errors appear when i try to change channels
[09:13:58] jasperbg: and it boots me back to the menu
[09:14:25] jasperbg: and i see an error about not being set the samplerate on /dev/null (!?) for audio
[09:15:22] jasperbg: i'm using alsa, and i think it's to do with the sound device set under "capture cards" in mythtv-setup
[09:15:29] jasperbg: what device should be set there?
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[09:17:34] bio__: hey therp!!! :))
[09:18:24] therp: hey bio :) small world
[09:19:00] Merlin83b3: Jasoka_: Something like /dev/asp from memory, but I've never had to touch that so not sure.
[09:19:14] bio__: it really is :)
[09:22:53] Chicago: NetSlayer: on the opengl version, did you have channel icons installed? I don't have transparency in any of my channel icons... :( I was hoping the opengl version would take a channel icon with transparency in it and still show the video behind it.
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[09:37:03] jasperbg: it'd be great if someone could help me with this. i really want to get mythtv to work! my biggest problem (i think it's the root cause of all my mythtv problems) is that audio does not work.
[09:37:08] jasperbg: my frontend logs: http://pastebin.com/624666
[09:37:16] jasperbg: backend: http://pastebin.com/624669
[09:38:04] jasperbg: I am using ALSA
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[09:38:27] jasperbg: but it does not seem to be documented anywhere what to put in the 'sound device' setting under 'capture cards' in mythtv-setup
[09:38:31] jasperbg: for ALSA
[09:38:55] benklop: jasperbg: i was trying to figure that out earlier today
[09:39:32] benklop: i suggest using alsa's backwards compatibilty and just use /dev/dsp#
[09:39:52] jasperbg: is there no way to get mythtv to work with pure alsa?
[09:40:15] benklop: Jas: i'm suree there is, but notr that i have figured out
[09:40:49] jasperbg: ok
[09:41:05] benklop: it know that if you put in something that DOESNT work in that box, when you save it automatically clears it back to the default
[09:41:10] jasperbg: yeah
[09:41:13] jasperbg: have encountered that :)
[09:41:25] benklop: so you could just try stuff, hit finish, then go back in to see if it stuck
[09:41:51] dorel: yeah thats weird. i can hear an mp3 just fine (when the sound is defined as /dev/dsp) but when i play a movie i see video but no sound and i'm getting an error too
[09:41:56] benklop: sorry i cant be more helpful...
[09:42:03] jasperbg: benklop: that's fine, thanks anyway
[09:42:21] dorel: it's saying alsa-init: no soundcards found: success, could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound
[09:42:30] fatmatt: anyone else having issues with mysql5 in debian testing?
[09:48:52] stuarta: fatmatt: should work fine...
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[09:52:31] fatmatt: http://pastebin.com/624683
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[09:53:25] stuarta: fatmatt: what version of myth are you using?
[09:53:55] fatmatt: 0.18
[09:54:21] stuarta: support only went in for 0.19 and above
[09:54:22] tfm: anybody experience with compilling mythtv on fc5 ?
[09:54:28] jasperbg: can MythTV even use ALSA for its recording/input sound?
[09:54:33] fatmatt: support for mysql5?
[09:54:43] stuarta: fatmatt: yep
[09:54:47] fatmatt: so, I should switch back to 4
[09:54:48] tfm: I get an error on GameHandler for mythgam
[09:55:00] stuarta: or go to 0.19, your choice...
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[09:55:34] fatmatt: happy with 0.18 for now, when I get more time I'll look at the upgrade to 0.19,
[09:55:38] fatmatt: stuarta: thanks
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[09:57:06] fatmatt: stuarta: just to check, symptoms of this problem would include the backend dieing now and then>?
[09:57:38] stuarta: does it die after those errors?
[09:58:17] fatmatt: yeah, not all the time, but it starts a recording, then can't find the database keeps trying then the backend dies
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[09:58:42] stuarta: that stuff was all fixed as part of mysql5 support.
[09:58:50] fatmatt: if I restart the backend, it records okay
[09:59:20] stuarta: it's the different behaviour of mysql5 that causes it...
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[10:00:54] fatmatt: yah, figured it was something like that when you mentioned the support, I'll downgrade and see how we go... anything other dependencies that were upgraded to a new version in 0.19
[10:01:46] stuarta: nothing else that breaks that I know of.
[10:02:22] fatmatt: sweet, thanks a lot
[10:02:29] johnp_: stuarta: how's the dvb stuff holding together at the moment ?
[10:03:15] stuarta: nothing wrong with recording... scanning... stuffed.
[10:03:40] stuarta: but it's been stuff ever since changing to the new scanning code.
[10:03:47] stuarta: stuffed even
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[10:03:52] johnp_: ah righr
[10:04:17] johnp_: I might be brave and update my dev tree :)
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[10:04:43] stuarta: that's this evenings project, sort through gbee's finding and try to get some working code.
[10:05:46] stuarta: ticket 1485 if you are interested....
[10:06:22] johnp_: got a broken shoulder, might try and get involved later on this week
[10:06:48] stuarta: ouch...
[10:07:10] johnp_: pretty much my reaction :|
[10:07:30] stuarta: how did you manage that?
[10:08:32] jasperbg: stuarta: if getting alsa input working is a config issue, are you able to tell me what to set my sound device to to get it to work?
[10:08:47] johnp_: best guess is that I had a seizure while out for a run and then dived shoulder first into the ground. (don't really know)
[10:08:51] jasperbg: stuarta: there is pretty much zero information out there on using alsa for input
[10:09:26] stuarta: johnp_: that's not good....
[10:09:50] johnp_: stuarta: lets hope the drugs work :)
[10:10:07] stuarta: jasperbg: so when you configured everything in myth-setup you configured the sound device how?
[10:12:04] jasperbg: i tried ALSA:default which was removed when i clicked Finish, so i tried various /dev/snd/pcm* entries which all stayed there but didn't work and printed errors about not being able to set sample rate or detect block size when viewing live tv
[10:12:48] jasperbg: i have ALSA:default set up for *output*, the setting under mythfrontend, and that appears to be fine. it's just *input* that i'm having problems with
[10:13:15] stuarta: have you got one of those seup that requires use of the soundcard for recording?
[10:13:23] stuarta: s/seup/setups/
[10:13:50] jasperbg: i have two choices, either using the jumper cable and my soundcard's line-in, or direct alsa streaming off the card
[10:13:58] jasperbg: i'm trying the jumper cable at the moment
[10:14:15] jasperbg: the other way is alsa too, just a different device, so if i can get one to go, the other should too
[10:16:52] jasperbg: right?
[10:19:01] stuarta: seems reasonable
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[10:22:15] jasperbg: are you using ALSA in your setup? i could just switch on OSS emulation if it's gonna be a lot of trouble...
[10:23:08] WHiTE^BOX: Im getting the following error
[10:23:10] WHiTE^BOX: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.19.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied
[10:23:38] WHiTE^BOX: when starting mythtvsetup
[10:23:44] WHiTE^BOX: or mythtv
[10:24:18] stuarta: not for recording. jasper, the howto says you need to have setup asoundrc correctly.
[10:24:31] stuarta: see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html for some pointers.
[10:26:29] stuarta: WHiTE^BOX: something is broken in your installation. what distrib, mythversion etc...
[10:27:31] WHiTE^BOX: Fedora Core 5 with 0.19–124.rhfc5.at.i386
[10:30:52] WHiTE^BOX: i downloaded the packages from here -> http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/mythtv/
[10:33:28] mchou: wow, I've never seen that msg b4
[10:33:36] mchou: that's pretty fubar
[10:33:57] stuarta: it's probably something to do with all the SSP stuff in their gcc...
[10:33:59] mchou: cannot restore segment after relocation?
[10:34:14] mchou: did you upgrade myth while running myth?
[10:34:18] mchou: :)
[10:34:33] WHiTE^BOX: no.. fresh installation
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[10:34:59] WHiTE^BOX: fc5 also.. just installed them both
[10:35:22] mchou: yeah, looks like SSP can be screwy :)
[10:35:28] WHiTE^BOX: SSP
[10:35:30] WHiTE^BOX: ?
[10:35:53] mchou: stack smacking protection :)
[10:36:25] mchou: kinda like windows signed dll's, I suppose
[10:36:42] WHiTE^BOX: ah ok
[10:36:49] WHiTE^BOX: that sucks
[10:37:13] WHiTE^BOX: any idea's how i could resolve this?
[10:37:26] mchou: compile yourself, and if -fno_stackprotector then that's probably it :)
[10:37:42] mchou: -fno_stack-protector*
[10:37:53] stuarta: absolutely nothing like signed windows dll's....
[10:38:02] mchou: can probably do it reprebuld from the src rpms
[10:38:14] stuarta: just try compiling it first before adding funky flags....
[10:38:44] stuarta: and no, don't compile it from the src rpms. that's probably where the breakage comes from...
[10:39:09] mchou: bah, he'd need to modify the spec file
[10:39:46] stuarta: I'd just compile it from original source...
[10:40:20] mchou: yeah, that too
[10:40:26] WHiTE^BOX: so.. im going to remove mythtv now
[10:40:48] mchou: but then h'd come complaining about all those missing -devel packages :)
[10:41:16] ** stuarta gives up and goes for a cup of tea... **
[10:41:32] WHiTE^BOX: people!
[10:41:47] WHiTE^BOX: pls.. what should be the "easyest" to do?
[10:42:03] mchou: it's all a matter of opinion
[10:42:16] mchou: easiest is what ever works for you :)
[10:42:29] WHiTE^BOX: everything is ok for me
[10:42:41] mchou: and since none of us know you, only you can answer that question :)
[10:43:07] mchou: like asking "What is the meaning of life?"
[10:43:23] WHiTE^BOX: hello im white.. im a alcoholic and i live roses
[10:43:31] WHiTE^BOX: *like
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[10:43:45] mchou: huh??
[10:44:00] WHiTE^BOX: <mchou> and since none of us know you, only you can answer that question :)
[10:44:07] WHiTE^BOX: im introducing myself
[10:44:21] mchou: shit, that doesnt even begin to be helpful
[10:44:25] WHiTE^BOX: and the next step in my life.. would be MYTHTV
[10:44:48] mchou: you're just tradition one addiction with another.
[10:44:55] mchou: stop being a junkie
[10:45:03] WHiTE^BOX: lol
[10:45:05] mchou: trading*
[10:45:21] WHiTE^BOX: im trading my alcohol for mythtv
[10:45:32] laga: don't do that, alcohol helps a lot
[10:45:43] mchou: bah, who says you cant have everything? :)
[10:45:51] laga: 15 minutes till class and i can't find my homework on wikipedia. damn.
[10:46:06] mchou: hahah. serves you right
[10:46:11] laga: :P
[10:46:20] mchou: wikipedia is wrong most of the time anyways
[10:46:29] laga: i hate overloaded wikipedia servers. go faster, b*tch
[10:46:38] laga: mchou: well, i only need a diagramm
[10:46:46] mchou: when it comes to the important stuff
[10:47:01] laga: heh
[10:47:26] stuarta: !trout laga
[10:47:27] ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[10:47:33] mchou: I haven't come across a science entry w/o some serious misconceptions
[10:48:15] laga: stuarta: hey. play nice.
[10:48:21] stuarta: hehe :)
[10:48:27] mchou: the one on creationism however, is a fun and a good read on wikipedia :)
[10:48:42] laga: darn, my printer isn't configured properly.
[10:48:44] mchou: that one is right on the mark
[10:49:18] mchou: at least wikipedia doesnt confuse creationis w/ SCIENCE
[10:49:27] mchou: creationism*
[10:49:51] laga: i'd better hope so
[10:49:51] mchou: which I suppose is a vote in it's favor
[10:50:17] mchou: but you'd have to be pretty fubar to screw that up.
[10:51:35] mchou: laga: I thought wikipedia is mirrored on answers.com
[10:51:41] laga: i saw something funny on digg.com the other days. looks like they had a lot of priests signing a petition in favor of darwin's evolution theory
[10:51:59] mchou: laga: yeah, there are.
[10:52:09] laga: mchou: i've already found my homework, thanks. and i don't wanna show up with an english wikipedia entry to my science class ;)
[10:52:20] mchou: it's only the fundamentalists that are bent ought of shape
[10:52:30] mchou: out*
[10:52:49] mchou: laga: what subject is this?
[10:54:26] WHiTE^BOX: is there a mythtv suite rpm package?
[10:56:41] laga: mchou: physics. something about braun tubes. 4 minutes till class.. school is like 2km away. i'd better run :) ttyl
[10:56:54] mchou: laga: later
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[11:14:30] Juski_: afternoon
[11:14:38] stuarta: afternoon juski
[11:14:49] Juski_: someone left a port open ;-)
[11:15:19] mchou: Juski_: huh?? you been hacking? :)
[11:15:25] stuarta: left a port open??
[11:15:41] Juski_: yeh, I haxx0r3d my work's firewall :-/
[11:15:47] Caveman: i'm using Gentoo and i can't emerge MythDVD 0.19, i've tried an emerge --sync but only 0.18.1 is showing
[11:15:47] mchou: pm us so we can all join in the fun
[11:15:54] Caveman: any suggestions?
[11:16:02] Juski_: nah – just tried to ssh into my home machine & suddenly found I could again
[11:16:10] mchou: Caveman: dont use gentoo? :)
[11:16:11] stuarta: :)
[11:16:39] Juski_: Caveman: 0.19 is still only in ~x86
[11:16:48] stuarta: Juski_: non standard ssh ports are your friend...
[11:17:04] Juski_: stuarta: I'm on a non standard ssh port
[11:17:22] stuarta: ahh, so they temporarily had a clue...
[11:17:49] Juski_: the ports I use to connect to home are used by the stuff we sell ;-)
[11:17:58] Juski_: so they shouldn't close them
[11:18:02] stuarta: lol....
[11:18:16] mchou: stuarta: you happen to have an amd64?
[11:18:39] stuarta: yes...
[11:18:49] mchou: stuarta: what mobo?
[11:19:05] mchou: stuarta: and what speed proc?
[11:19:18] Juski_: anyway using putty to login I couldn't connect last week – no timeouts.. was 'connection refused' (!)
[11:20:12] stuarta: nothing special, foxconn board, amd3200+
[11:20:38] mchou: stuarta: that's microATX or full ATX?
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[11:21:49] stuarta: err, well it's not the really tiny ATX....
[11:22:04] mchou: yeah, mATX
[11:22:20] Juski_: milli-ATX ?  ;-)
[11:22:37] mchou: that's the one I think bundles w/ hp & compaq systems, iirc
[11:22:44] stuarta: Juski_: that explains why we didn't see you much last week :)
[11:22:48] mchou: bundled*
[11:23:04] Juski_: yeh stuarta. that and I was actually working :-P
[11:23:24] stuarta: foxconn make lots of oem stuff, this is one of their own...
[11:23:33] Juski_: it's good to have a break, even if it's an enforced one
[11:23:49] Juski_: how's the EIT rewrite coming along?
[11:24:25] stuarta: slowly, got a bit distracted trying to make dvb scanning work again...
[11:25:07] Juski_: oh yeah.. that chestnut
[11:25:10] stuarta: it's a bit of a mess, see #1485
[11:25:45] mchou: wonder if that applies even for atsc.....
[11:26:07] Juski_: eeeew
[11:26:18] Juski_: who broke that? ;-)
[11:26:21] stuarta: well, dk's in ATSC land so things should be okay there.
[11:26:32] stuarta: Juski_: you have one guess...
[11:26:49] Juski_: 50–50 chance I reckon
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[11:27:42] Juski_: I asked a while ago if the ATSC & 'real' DVB code could be seperated, but I think I was misunderstood
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[11:29:00] Juski_: apologies if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that changes to one can break the other – hence my simplistic question about keeping them seperate :)
[11:30:07] stuarta: there is a lot of commonality, and the parts which are different have their own functions
[11:30:28] stuarta: they are both still basically an mpeg stream
[11:30:42] Juski_: ah. so how does it keep getting broke then? ;-P
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[11:31:20] stuarta: in this case, it is part of moving away from the unmaintainable mess that was siparser
[11:32:27] stuarta: what's that old expression.. "Can't make a cake without breaking eggs..."
[11:32:37] Juski_: I totally agree :)
[11:33:09] Juski_: how the hell I got away scot free when I upgraded I'll never fathom...
[11:33:56] stuarta: upgrading was fine, since an 'svn update' is an upgrade :)
[11:34:36] johnp_: s/cake/omelet/
[11:34:54] stuarta: that's why it didn't sound right... :)
[11:34:59] Juski_: I was prepared for 'fun' scanning, but thankfully everything went smoothly without needing a rescan
[11:35:40] Juski_: is 0.19.1 going to be held back til this stuff is fixed, btw?
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[11:36:12] RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, what can cause those damn prebuffer pauses? It only happens when watching livetv (i.e. watching recorded shows is fine)..Cpu usage is only around 20% when watching livetv so it shouldn't be that..HD is SATA-II 300...
[11:36:21] stuarta: dunno, devs are just throwing the odd fix into 0.19-fixes
[11:36:54] stuarta: RaYmAn-Bx: press pause, count to 5, unpause.
[11:37:27] Juski_: hang on – why am I suddenly giving a shit about other users? lol
[11:37:35] RaYmAn-Bx: stuarta: ...It's a bit of a hack though, isn't it? (or is it just to check whether it still happens?)
[11:37:56] stuarta: one day, someone will get to the bottom of it....
[11:38:20] stuarta: it's not a 'hack', it's a 'workaround' :)
[11:38:42] Juski_: a patch, authored by me would be called a 'hack' ;-)
[11:38:55] RaYmAn-Bx: lol
[11:39:54] ** Juski_ is still waiting for something else to come along which falls under the umbrella of his coding knowledge... correcting spelling mistakes etc... **
[11:40:21] RaYmAn-Bx: now for the second problem..recordings seems to randomly end up with zero length files...i.e. it only happens sometimes..it also seems to have just started happening suddenly
[11:41:05] RaYmAn-Bx: actually, not zero length files...no files at all
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[11:51:20] skip: Hello,
[11:53:34] skip: sombody in this room ??
[11:53:34] skip: :=)
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[11:59:57] fatmatt: anyone able to help me out, getting dpkg errors when I try and downgrade to mysql 4.1
[12:00:12] fatmatt: using debian testing
[12:00:28] Huijari: fatmatt: what errors?
[12:01:11] fatmatt: Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.0 to 4.1.
[12:01:11] fatmatt: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-4.1_4.1.15–1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:01:43] fatmatt: I updated to 5 but I want to keep mythtv at 0.18 for now
[12:01:54] fatmatt: so, trying to drop back to mysql 4
[12:02:24] fatmatt: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-4.1_4.1.15–1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:02:24] fatmatt: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
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[12:13:18] stuarta: fatmatt: you most likely need --force
[12:14:06] fatmatt: as part of apt, or dpkg?
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[12:14:38] stuarta: where is the rest of the error message btw? (use pastebin.ca to put it in...)
[12:15:37] laga: re
[12:16:17] fatmatt: http://pastebin.com/624819
[12:17:35] Mayol: where can i find some more docs /faqs about mythweb
[12:17:40] Mayol: got some problems
[12:17:44] stuarta: must be something in the preinstall scripts that's stops an easy downgrade.
[12:17:54] fatmatt: stuarta: nope, force don't seem to help, same problem
[12:18:15] stuarta: backup your db's and delete mysql4, then install mysql4
[12:18:28] fatmatt: delete as in purge?
[12:19:28] fatmatt: I've already apt-get removed mysql5,
[12:19:30] stuarta: as in uninstall, so purge is good, gets rid of everything from that verion...
[12:19:47] stuarta: before trying the install?
[12:20:01] fatmatt: no, after the first couple of errors
[12:20:50] fatmatt: just tried a downgrade the first time, ie apt-get install mysql-server-4.1
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[12:26:34] fatmatt: I think I'll just put it all back the way it was and worry about this in the morning
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[12:29:02] Mayol: ./var/www/html/mythweb/.htaccess: Invalid command 'mythweb.php', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[12:29:28] Mayol: anyone know what can cause this?
[12:29:31] stuarta: have you configured apache for php?
[12:29:46] Mayol: got both mod_env and mod_rewrite
[12:29:59] stuarta: that's not php.
[12:30:14] Mayol: yeah, updgraded from myth 18 to 19
[12:30:22] Mayol: used mythweb also
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[12:31:16] Juski_: read the new .htaccess file in the mythweb root
[12:31:24] Juski_: you know – like it says to in the FM ;-)
[12:31:37] Mayol: well done that
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[12:33:08] Juski_: ahh.. so read the apache docs about how to configure module loading... something like /etc/apache2/apache2.conf or somesuch (don'
[12:33:24] Juski_: don't blame me if I'm wrong – I run gentoo's Apache :-)
[12:34:15] Mayol: hmm
[12:34:24] Hoxzer: http://pastebin.com/624846 <- any ideas?
[12:34:40] Mayol: the rewrite stuff only applies if you using alias right?
[12:34:53] Hoxzer: so backend crashes
[12:34:54] laga: Juski_: you seem to like weird mixes. "death metal symphony in deep C" (by waltari) may be the right album for ya ;)
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[12:34:57] Mayol: got the modules thats needed in the default install
[12:35:34] stuarta: Hoxzer: trying configuring it to talk to mysql
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[12:36:01] Hoxzer: ....
[12:41:21] dorel: can i manually (like using scripts+command line, not using mythtv) assign description+image to a video file i have in my 'watch videos' directory?
[12:41:50] Juski_: laga: erm... okay ;-)
[12:42:02] laga: Juski_: heh
[12:42:45] Juski_: dorel: of course you can
[12:42:58] Juski_: go mangle some mysql statements ;-)
[12:43:37] Juski_: the table you want is videometadata
[12:44:03] Juski_: title, director, plot, year, rating etc are all stored in that table
[12:44:40] dorel: ahh i see it
[12:44:41] dorel: thanks
[12:45:18] Juski_: oh btw laga: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/notagain.m2v&nbs p;:-((
[12:47:08] dorel: thats nice Juski_
[12:48:12] stuarta: another mirror bites the dust???
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[12:48:19] laga: Juski_: :/ that sucks!
[12:48:38] dorel: does it require development to have something like the mythvideo plugin? like this directory/file browser that then shows description+image and once you click it, it launches some program like mplayer?
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[12:51:41] laga: dorel: no, we just keep some monkeys with typewriters in the basement and let them do all the development
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[12:52:59] dorel: you do?
[12:53:01] dorel: lol
[12:53:22] dorel: i meant if it actually requires development from me or could i tweak the plugin or some config file :)
[12:55:58] Juski_: we all look forward to seeing new patches :-P
[12:57:28] Juski_: at aorund 4.40 am sunday, more than 2 mirrors bit the dust, actually. we've got to stop that arsehole soon – that'll mean catching him in person – which is turning out to be harder than it sounds
[12:58:08] laga: Juski_: is it always the same asshole?
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[13:14:46] Juski_: laga: seems to be so far
[13:15:02] Juski_: he didnt stick to his usual pattern on sunday morning though :-/
[13:15:18] laga: Juski_: does he always come during the same night? e.g. sunday night?
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[13:24:11] sphing: GreyFoxx: you around?
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[13:36:32] Juski_: laga: if only it was always the same time. that's the latest he's ever been though. normally it's between 12am and 1am
[13:37:06] laga: Juski_: paintball gun and coffee. and get that bastard.
[13:38:38] ** Juski_ is going to the rabid dog shop after work :-) **
[13:38:56] Juski_: actually no – this guy probably already has rabies
[13:40:44] laga: heh
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[13:46:27] GreyFoxx: sphing: Barely :)
[13:53:07] dorel: i know it's a long shot, but is it possible to have some cron script or something to automatically updates all the files in my videos folder with the imdb thing? (cover, description, etc)
[13:53:48] mchou: dorel: sure, if you write a script for it
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[13:55:24] dorel: :)
[13:55:30] dorel: right, didn't think otherwise :)
[13:57:10] mchou: dorel: so what's the issue then? :)
[13:57:35] dorel: that i actually have to right it myself heh
[13:57:55] mchou: dorel: shiat :)
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[14:00:33] sphing: GreyFoxx: just curious if you had a link to setup a diskless frontend.. I cant find one, are you using pxe?
[14:01:28] port7: how long on average does the 1st xmltv import take?
[14:02:13] mchou: sphing: how many frontends you got?
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[14:02:22] sphing: just 1
[14:02:24] sphing: well 2
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[14:02:45] mchou: sphing: and you want both to be diskless?
[14:03:09] sphing: one already is (kinda its an xbox)
[14:03:21] mchou: sphing: ok.
[14:03:32] Cromz: sphing, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Mythtv_W . . . osix_Cluster
[14:03:48] mchou: sphing: for one I think it's hardly worth the effort to go diskless :)
[14:04:17] mchou: lol, openmosix would be a complet overkill
[14:04:22] sphing: mchou, the fe is in my room, and i'm reducing the amount of things in here, so I'd like it for the noise
[14:04:44] sphing: what bothers me, is howto's that say diskless and require a floppy...
[14:04:45] mchou: mount NFS root would be much easier
[14:05:01] mchou: nah, if you have pce you're golden
[14:05:07] mchou: pxe*
[14:05:15] sphing: yea.. i have a via m10k
[14:05:24] sphing: which i'm like 98% sure has pxe
[14:05:31] mchou: pxe bios support is key.
[14:05:39] mchou: make sure it works :)
[14:05:59] mchou: some implementations are borked
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[14:06:19] sphing: supposedly its been done with my board, I've researched this efore, but I cant find the pages i read
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[14:06:35] mchou: you just need to set up your dhcpd for bootp
[14:06:54] Cromz: mchou, it's not really the Mosix crap.. it's more of a this is how we did it. get some ideas and see if you can do it better / easier. is the way I look at it.
[14:07:34] sphing: mchou: yea thats what i'm in the process of now..
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[14:12:19] mchou: sphing: this guide looks fairly good: http://www.wlug.org.nz/NFSRoot
[14:13:00] Cromz: sphing, I looked at that making a diskless frontend. but the thing that stopped me was the linksys router that does my dhcp. lol
[14:13:18] mchou: Cromz: why is that a problem?
[14:13:30] mchou: Cromz: openwrt, baby!
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[14:14:05] Cromz: mchou, yeah I got that. but I dont see where I can set it to make it point to the server for the pce boots.
[14:14:25] mchou: Cromz: huh??
[14:14:29] Cromz: lol
[14:14:29] mchou: say again?
[14:15:02] Cromz: yeah I know didn't make sense. ok.. you have to tell the workstations where to go to get the boot code.
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[14:15:37] mchou: Cromz: it's detailed on the link I gave
[14:15:50] sphing_: Cromz: i just disconnected because i was restarting the router to disable dhcp
[14:16:13] mchou: Cromz: search for "10.66.1.1"
[14:17:01] Cromz: cool.. bookmarked.
[14:17:18] Cromz: so mchou your not all bad after all :)
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[14:20:18] Chicago: I'm having a problem with mythweb. I have added shows to be recorded using mythweb, and I can see they are recording and that they are even showing up on the backend status report... however, they are not showing up in my media library of recorded programs...
[14:20:54] stuarta: Have you got a group filter set?
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[14:21:31] GreyFoxx: sping: Nope, I use etherboot. I don't know of any links to a guide on it
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[14:22:07] sphing_: ah alright
[14:22:08] ** Beirdo looks for a link to guide his sorry ass to work on Monday morning **
[14:22:29] mchou: Beirdo: haha, no doubt
[14:22:36] sphing_: looks like someone's got a case a mundays
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[14:22:44] Beirdo: nah
[14:22:58] Beirdo: I have a case of "why the hell did I stay up until 2:30?!"
[14:23:25] mchou: Beirdo: I find that having a mistress at work helps :)
[14:23:49] Beirdo: I'll pass
[14:23:50] Beirdo: :)
[14:23:51] mchou: gives ya something to look forward to on mondays :)
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[14:24:34] sphing_: Beirdo's wife is packet sniffing so becareful
[14:24:42] Beirdo: heh
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[14:24:46] mchou: sphing_: hahah!!
[14:24:49] qu0zl: i am Beirdo's wife
[14:24:52] sphing: AHAHA
[14:24:53] qu0zl: wtf is this about a mistress?
[14:24:56] Beirdo: nah, she's at work, and she's not my wife yet
[14:24:56] qu0zl: good thing i'm watching you!
[14:25:01] mchou: haha!!!
[14:25:01] qu0zl: :)
[14:25:08] Beirdo: and she doesn't use IRC
[14:25:14] qu0zl: yet ;)
[14:25:14] Beirdo: nice try, numbnuts
[14:25:23] Beirdo: yeah well
[14:25:39] ** stuarta suggests using the trout. **
[14:25:43] Beirdo: anyways, I should get my ass in gear
[14:25:47] Beirdo: !trout Beirdo
[14:25:47] ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[14:26:05] mchou: I suggest beirdo sniff the trout :)
[14:26:12] Beirdo: talk to ya all later.
[14:26:31] sphing: i realize this is a stupid question but... does tcpdump show udp packets?
[14:26:40] qu0zl: it can if you tell it to
[14:26:52] stuarta: but you have to ask nicely
[14:26:54] sphing: maybe not so stupid
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[14:27:30] qu0zl: i think it displays tcp and udp by default, but i can't honestly remember
[14:27:36] stuarta: ethereal is good for looking at tcpdump's....
[14:27:40] qu0zl: yeah
[14:28:07] sphing: yea, but commandline only
[14:28:45] qu0zl: looking through a tcpdump in a text editor is going to suck unless you know the data format you're looking at well
[14:28:51] mchou: I thoght there was an ethereal gui of some sort
[14:28:53] qu0zl: i've done it, ethereal is so much nicer
[14:29:03] ** stuarta only uses graphical tools to show neophites pretty pictures... **
[14:29:05] qu0zl: yeah ethereal is gui
[14:29:14] stuarta: ethereal has both.
[14:29:47] stuarta: tcpdump will happily read back it's own captures and interpret them for you...
[14:30:27] stuarta: lets get the point. What you want to capture???
[14:30:31] sphing: ugh.. i cant the front end to dhcp
[14:30:37] sphing: brb
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[14:31:02] mchou: decisions decisions. USB or pci FusionHDTV?
[14:31:42] stuarta: usb support isn't great at the moment. improving but YMMV
[14:32:00] mchou: stuarta: I heard it works ok......
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[14:32:14] mchou: stuarta: you have news otherwise?
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[14:32:58] stuarta: no, but there is a significant amount of traffic on linux dvb mailing list about getting usb parts to work...
[14:33:29] mchou: stuarta: that not unusual as it's being newly developed.
[14:33:41] mchou: the USB support, that is.
[14:33:44] stuarta: as I said, it's improving :)
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[14:33:55] sphing: it works
[14:34:05] mchou: sphing: what works?
[14:34:29] stuarta: the trout
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[14:37:22] sphing: myt dhcp server
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[14:37:54] mchou: sphing: bah, that's the least of your challenges
[14:38:28] mchou: getting that to work is easy.....
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[14:38:57] mchou: wait till you have to mess with the init scripts for the client
[14:39:11] sphing: yea i just wanted to make sure... cause the client pxe rom isnt working
[14:39:17] mchou: that's the PITA part :)
[14:40:21] sphing: great i think i have to flash my bios
[14:40:41] mchou: sphing: huh?? What for?
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[14:42:23] sphing: something about the pxe rom with this bios is borked
[14:42:33] sphing: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?c . . . nterthread=y
[14:45:26] mchou: sphing: bah, those guys dont know what they are talking about
[14:46:50] sphing: yea looks like it
[14:46:58] mchou: there is WOL, which (may) require ethtool
[14:47:12] mchou: WOL is not PXE
[14:47:29] sphing: yea ... thats wake on lan no?
[14:47:42] mchou: sphing: yup
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[14:48:10] sphing: yea, but they were saying shutting down linux, disabled the network card until they booted back into linux... problem if i use the network card to boot into linux
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[14:48:54] mchou: sphing: nah, that's easy to solve. just call ethtool b4 shutdown :)
[14:49:34] mchou: sphing: end of story. at the end of /etc/rc.local would be a good place :)
[14:50:25] mchou: plus maybe a more recent kernel might have that fixed already
[14:51:06] mchou: pop in a livecd and run ethool to show status
[14:51:29] mchou: of the power mgmt states on the nic
[14:52:01] mchou: in any case I doubt that's an issue with the pxe bios
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[14:52:16] sphing: yea Ill wait for that testing
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[14:55:21] sphing: mchou: I understand now... pxe doesnt actually load the kernel, it loads the bootloader
[14:55:48] mchou: sphing: exactly
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[14:58:07] mchou: sphing: for one client I still think you should spend $30 for a HDD
[14:58:58] mchou: setting up NFS root is a lot of work for one client
[14:59:38] mchou: for many clients say >=3 it becomes worthwhile
[15:00:14] stuarta: pxe booting is also great for loading lots of machines...
[15:03:36] mchou: anyway, laters
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[15:09:23] sphing: mchou: i have the HD already there...
[15:09:45] sphing: i want to get rid of it...
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[15:17:06] Juski_: just a quick observation – I use minimyth – and with kernel 2.6.15 I can PXE boot just fine but when I shut down, wakeonlan doesn't wake the machine back up. earlier kernels didn't have that problem
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[15:18:00] Juski_: there seems to be a problem with the way the kernel driver shuts the network chip down
[15:18:03] sphing: Juski_: look above theres a link explaining how to fix that
[15:18:09] sphing: that i pasted..
[15:18:17] sphing: btw i'm interested in you dhcpd.conf
[15:18:19] D-side: minimyth. that sounds familiar. you've got an epia box?
[15:18:26] Juski_: yup
[15:18:28] sphing: bu ti have class, so I'll be back in a few
[15:18:31] Juski_: epia m-100000
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[15:19:10] Juski_: ethtool – can't be arsed to put that into minimyth – I'll just stick with a kernel that isn't broken ;-)
[15:19:25] D-side: i had one of those, but ditched it after a week of battling it. heh
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[15:19:46] Juski_: minimyth is easy to get running once you've configured your dhcp server
[15:19:53] Juski_: (etc)
[15:20:13] D-side: i dont think minimyth existed when i was attempting to use it.
[15:20:21] D-side: it being the that board.
[15:20:38] D-side: i'm still in love with my xbox as a frontend anyway. absolutely fantastic tv-out.
[15:21:19] Baylink: I'll bet.  :-)
[15:22:27] D-side: sigh. everytime i come in here i leave with ideas on how to waste time/money/both
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[15:35:49] dorel: is it possible to assiciate .mov href links on html pages to launch mplayer?
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[15:43:31] Beirdo: http://www.publicradiofan.com/cgi-bin/program.pl?programid=17
[15:43:32] Beirdo: ick
[15:43:40] Beirdo: I can't parse that shit
[15:43:50] Beirdo: TuWThFSa
[15:43:52] Beirdo: eat me
[15:44:08] Beirdo: I guess I'll need to tweak a bit more
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[15:51:22] scopeuk: ok beginer question i guess but whats te best way to "nuke" xmltv and strt again it jsut keeps givign me errors
[15:52:12] scopeuk: mythfilldatabase dies without fetchign any info what so ever
[15:52:20] D-side: mythtv-setup I'd say.
[15:52:25] D-side: delete all the provider info.
[15:52:34] scopeuk: ok ill have a bash attheat
[15:52:47] scopeuk: make an atemptat not breakign it so bad restore is needed this time
[15:53:17] scopeuk: ok onemroe bad question i need to kill the backend any recomended way?
[15:54:13] scopeuk: or is it an rtfm occasion?
[15:54:15] D-side: preferably with the initscript you started it with
[15:54:37] D-side: and yes, its certainly time to rtfm.
[15:54:44] scopeuk: ye hsmall issue there i kinda use knoppmyth so im clueless as to what is doign what
[15:54:45] Juski_: scopeuk: you're always breaking your fscking xmltv you
[15:54:45] scopeuk: ok
[15:54:49] scopeuk: im of to the manual
[15:55:00] scopeuk: juski_ nope i jsut never fixed it
[15:55:04] Juski_: heh
[15:55:20] scopeuk: ive been trying but beyond playing with configs im rearly stuffed
[15:55:25] Juski_: should be a piece of piss
[15:55:27] scopeuk: if somethign in a script is now wrogn ive had it
[15:55:33] scopeuk: "should"
[15:55:47] scopeuk: heh all i know is tunnelign x to windows is easier
[15:56:16] scopeuk: once its fixed i will probably jsut break it again though
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[15:56:38] D-side: and we certainly look forward to that.
[15:56:46] Juski_: run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure – don't be a lazy arse & select all the channels
[15:56:58] scopeuk: i did it wont run
[15:57:03] scopeuk: gives mes and erro message
[15:57:06] scopeuk: ill try again thought
[15:57:06] skip: Juski_, you can write all .. then you can be lazy ;)
[15:57:25] scopeuk: and i only have 5 channs on my box so i have lots of NO
[15:57:41] Juski_: an error? you're probably missing some PERL shit or other
[15:58:29] scopeuk: im on knoppmyth so id assume every thing i need is in there but i proably broke it whilst playing
[15:58:41] scopeuk: http://pastebin.ca/47175
[15:58:42] Juski_: oh no, not not myth
[15:58:54] scopeuk: lol
[15:59:24] Juski_: that's borked, big stylee
[15:59:44] scopeuk: heh never put killing things properly past me
[15:59:56] Juski_: did you edit the script itself?
[16:00:07] scopeuk: nope
[16:00:10] scopeuk: dont even know where it is
[16:00:18] scopeuk: if i did id back it up
[16:00:20] Juski_: ahh well
[16:00:20] DrBair: anyone happen to know of an xbox livecd that has smartmontools on it?
[16:00:32] Beirdo: OK, fixes :)
[16:00:35] scopeuk: Juski_ if i nuked it some how ill go fidn one to replace it
[16:00:50] Juski_: time to go home now.. had enough of a shit day as it is
[16:00:54] Juski_: laters...
[16:01:09] scopeuk: ok l8rs Juski_
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[16:14:01] scopeuk: expect me backin 10 – 15 minutes wit a completly nuked box
[16:14:48] scopeuk: wow i dident destroy it somethig nsi obviously wrong
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[16:19:21] laga: your spelling?
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[16:20:07] scopeuk: heh yeh its a wonder i ever get anything working with typing as bad as mine
[16:30:06] scopeuk: wow i think i may actually have fixed aml tv without destroyign the rest of my setup
[16:30:14] scopeuk: very strange
[16:31:20] stuarta: try harder :-P
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[16:32:27] JasonX: anyone know how HDRingbufferSize affects things (with 2 cards does this need to be altered?) I am gettings glitches and over 3 hours tve ends up about 2mins behind live
[16:33:37] dorel: can i have somehow another instance of the mythvideo plugin with it's own set of settings?
[16:33:41] JasonX: I also get ` Scheduled 2 items in 0.2 = 0.18 match + 0.01 place` messages presumably the on-air epg updating but this seems to have higher priority to tv plaback and causes stuttering when they come through
[16:34:41] laga: JasonX: maybe the realtime priority thingie helps. you should refer to the mythtv howto (official docs) for that. keep ind mind that it may crash your system and open possible security holes.
[16:35:16] JasonX: r u reffering to `chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend` ?
[16:35:36] laga: JasonX: that's one way of enabling the prerequisites.
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[16:35:55] JasonX: yer i've tried that
[16:36:01] Beirdo: perl++
[16:36:17] Beirdo: there's an MP3::Podcast module
[16:36:18] Beirdo: heh
[16:36:36] laga: JasonX: did you enable it in the playback optiosn menu? do the logs tell you it's enabled?
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[16:37:21] JasonX: laga : sorry i dont understand que, enable what the buffer?
[16:37:40] laga: JasonX: enable realtime priority threads. there's a menu option for that.
[16:39:29] JasonX: AHhh ok I think i need to re-read the howto, i read it weeks ago and only remembered the sudo mythfrontend bit
[16:39:36] Hoxzer: how long does it usuallly take to change channels?
[16:39:46] JasonX: i see the RealtimePriority in db
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[16:41:24] scopeuk: yay i fixed it i fixed it i fixed it
[16:41:28] ** scopeuk dances roudn the room **
[16:41:42] scopeuk: minor victory to most of you people but i feel quite proud of myself
[16:41:57] ** Beirdo applauds **
[16:41:58] Merlin83b3: Nice one, scopeuk :-)
[16:42:00] Beirdo: well done :)
[16:42:15] ** laga starts a party for scopeuk **
[16:42:22] scopeuk: now i jsut gotta remoe the discovery channel
[16:42:27] scopeuk: lol
[16:42:27] laga: Beirdo: i got totally hooked on metallica. sooo much good stuff.
[16:42:27] Beirdo: remove?!
[16:42:28] Merlin83b3: Now make sure you hang around and help anyone else who comes in with the same problem :-)
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[16:42:38] Beirdo: WTF, that's the best channel out there :)
[16:42:46] Beirdo: laga: yeah, they can be addictive alright
[16:42:56] scopeuk: i dont revcive it though
[16:43:06] Beirdo: Ooooooh
[16:43:09] Beirdo: now I get it
[16:43:22] laga: Beirdo: i love the S&M album. and bought "ride the lightning" the other day
[16:43:25] scopeuk: merlin i dont know how many peopel there are that can creat problems as infinately simple yet stupily imposible as i
[16:43:34] Merlin83b3: We've all done it ;-)
[16:43:34] Beirdo: ride the lightning rules
[16:43:37] ** scopeuk is on a greenday kick atm **
[16:43:50] Beirdo: I'm actually in a jazz or blues mood
[16:44:02] laga: Beirdo: good for driving, too
[16:44:13] scopeuk: been blowing out my ear rumbs with dead beat holiday and warning for a while now
[16:44:21] scopeuk: jazz and blues rule
[16:44:24] Beirdo: on Saturday, I was driving to AC/DC for a few hours
[16:44:26] Beirdo: heh
[16:44:38] scopeuk: acdc rull lso
[16:45:16] laga: scopeuk: you betcha. i love 'em :)
[16:45:51] laga: i found a very promising thing: "death metal symphony in deep c". i'm gonna get ..some samples in a few minutes, i hope it's good :)
[16:45:56] ** Beirdo cues KPLU **
[16:46:15] Beirdo: that's one NPR station that I may well pledge to later
[16:47:08] scopeuk: avril lavine doing chop suiy was quite funey
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[16:52:02] scopeuk: today jsut keeps getting better and better my isp jsut phoned and said "howed you like a years free cable tv"
[16:52:40] Beirdo: "right the fuck now is how I'd like it"
[16:52:48] scopeuk: lol
[16:52:54] scopeuk: its only a basic package buit free
[16:53:04] Beirdo: still free channels
[16:53:11] scopeuk: we use to have it but it was costing a furtune so we gotrid
[16:53:23] scopeuk: yeh we have freeview but getting skyone back will be fantastic
[16:54:24] scopeuk: and top top it all off there is 750 mL of tea on my desk (in mugs)
[16:54:32] scopeuk: and school is closed tomorrow
[16:54:50] Beirdo: school's out... forever!
[16:55:00] Beirdo: OMG, I'm showing my age.
[16:55:07] scopeuk: nargh schools is out ofr the duration of the caretakers strike lol
[16:55:27] scopeuk: Beirdo im only 18 and knwo pleanty of 13 -18 years olds myself included that love it
[16:55:42] scopeuk: alice cooper :D
[16:55:48] Beirdo: :)
[16:55:57] Beirdo: that song came out when I was about 3
[16:56:21] scopeuk: i tech at a youth club in my town and we still paly that and they still lvoe it
[16:56:29] Beirdo: not surprised
[16:56:42] scopeuk: yeh we get a heavy goth crowd in sometimes maby that helps
[16:56:52] scopeuk: then again we can throw in jive bunney and get away with it
[16:56:59] Beirdo: nah, that's a classic song anyways
[16:56:59] scopeuk: good times
[16:57:09] Beirdo: just play Britney all night
[16:57:10] scopeuk: yep
[16:57:13] scopeuk: have to agree there
[16:57:21] Beirdo: while you are out back boffing some chick
[16:57:26] laga: alice cooper rocks.
[16:57:31] laga: and i'm quite young, too. ;)
[16:57:53] Beirdo: wow
[16:58:03] scopeuk: its jsut classic music
[16:58:06] Beirdo: MP3::Podcast does almost precisely what I wanted
[16:58:12] Beirdo: yay for CPAN
[16:58:16] laga: i have to admit that microsoft's file sharing stuff sucks quite horribly over a VPN.
[16:58:28] scopeuk: laga it sucks over lan
[16:58:32] scopeuk: how whould vpn help :D
[16:58:37] laga: scopeuk: it always sucks. POS ;)
[16:58:40] Beirdo: I have to admit that microsoft sucks quite horribly
[16:58:54] ** scopeuk must admit that over 3/4's of his network is microsoft **
[16:58:54] Beirdo: the rest is unnecessary to say :)
[16:59:00] scopeuk: the rest is sony and linux
[16:59:26] laga: sony?
[16:59:36] scopeuk: PS2
[16:59:41] laga: oh, ok
[16:59:52] scopeuk: i have one of the briks plus onlien adaptor hehe
[17:00:05] scopeuk: £16 with twisted metal black or £20 without
[17:00:13] scopeuk: i was slightly confused
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[17:15:55] JasonX: This doesn't seem to be working the EPG messages still seem to have a higher priority than TV playback. Is ps -ef supposed to show the priorities or is it the NI field when top is run.
[17:16:40] JasonX: I want to lower the priority of schedule updating
[17:17:20] JasonX: i mean EPG updating
[17:17:20] WHiTEBOX: hey people..
[17:17:35] WHiTEBOX: looks like there are no linux drivers for nvtv p179
[17:17:58] WHiTEBOX: so.. i decided to buy a hauppauge 150
[17:18:21] WHiTEBOX: called the shop.. but no.. they only have the hauppauge 500mce
[17:18:54] WHiTEBOX: should the hauppauge 500mce work on fedora core 5 without problems?
[17:19:02] WHiTEBOX: if so.. im on my way to the shop
[17:19:27] dooder: the answer is maybe
[17:19:44] WHiTEBOX: hmm
[17:20:04] xris: WHiTEBOX: if the 150 works, the 500 should, too.. it's just two 150's
[17:20:20] WHiTEBOX: what! :D it has 2 tuners?
[17:20:27] xris: yup
[17:20:31] WHiTEBOX: wow!
[17:20:35] WHiTEBOX: awsome!
[17:20:43] WHiTEBOX: when i look here -> http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware
[17:20:47] WHiTEBOX: at 500
[17:20:49] dooder: http://saintaardvarkthecarpeted.com/blog/?p=153
[17:21:07] WHiTEBOX: there are no pointing at things like.. only the rev.1 version or blaa
[17:21:21] WHiTEBOX: so hopefully i wont be waisting my money again
[17:22:40] xris: WHiTEBOX: generally, it's considered to work... with fc5, you need to make sure you're using the latest ivtv, though
[17:22:51] WHiTEBOX: dooder... at some line that guy writes
[17:23:07] WHiTEBOX: ivtv-0.3.3h? old drivers
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[17:23:40] xris: I still use 0.3.2y on my mythbox. best not to break what works.
[17:23:51] WHiTEBOX: hehe
[17:23:51] xris: you'll need .6 for fc5, though
[17:23:54] WHiTEBOX: ivtv stable version 0.6.1
[17:23:55] WHiTEBOX: yes
[17:23:55] dooder: ys. i'm pretty sure all the pvr500 cards are pretty well supported now
[17:24:05] WHiTEBOX: fc only support 0.6x
[17:24:13] WHiTEBOX: great
[17:24:22] WHiTEBOX: im on my wayt to the shop
[17:24:29] imperfect-: can you change tuner channel w/ ivitv?
[17:24:30] xris: not "support".. there are kernel version issues
[17:24:31] imperfect-: er ivtv?
[17:24:34] WHiTEBOX: dunno what it causts
[17:24:47] WHiTEBOX: xris??
[17:24:47] xris: WHiTEBOX: around $200, I think
[17:24:57] dooder: newegg has them for 143
[17:25:07] xris: sorry, $150
[17:25:34] WHiTEBOX: so around 120 euro
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[17:26:23] ** WHiTEBOX left to the shop to buy himself a hauppauge 500 mce **
[17:26:24] xris: probably 150 euro, given that electronics are more usually expensive over there
[17:26:39] WHiTEBOX: true
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[17:26:47] xris: enjoy. :)
[17:26:53] WHiTEBOX: but.. i dont have to pay tax on my electronics :P
[17:27:12] imperfect-: Man
[17:27:14] WHiTEBOX: i sure will =)
[17:27:21] imperfect-: I'm not nearly as impressed with MythTV as I thought I would be.
[17:28:06] imperfect-: It seems to be slow and really buggy.
[17:28:13] scopeuk: what h/w u runnign it on
[17:28:20] scopeuk: and by comparison with what
[17:28:32] imperfect-: Uhm
[17:28:50] imperfect-: 3.6GHZ p4 w/ 1Gig of DDR 400 an a 10kRPM drve
[17:28:55] imperfect-: PVR-150
[17:28:58] scopeuk: then what did you do to it
[17:29:01] imperfect-: and compared w/ Windows MCE 2005.
[17:29:10] scopeuk: becouse it is rapid when runnignon my 433 celron
[17:29:16] scopeuk: ok besides me being awkward
[17:29:23] scopeuk: what linux is underlying it
[17:29:28] scopeuk: eg does it have smp support
[17:29:32] scopeuk: in the kernal that is
[17:29:49] imperfect-: Yeah
[17:29:51] imperfect-: It's SMP
[17:29:57] imperfect-: so it's using my HT
[17:30:06] scopeuk: hmm how does it perform when thrown into normal applications?
[17:30:12] imperfect-: Fine..
[17:30:19] scopeuk: what version of myth?
[17:30:25] imperfect-: .19
[17:30:30] scopeuk: werd
[17:30:33] imperfect-: Hell, actually, .18 was more stable
[17:30:39] imperfect-: I just upgraded to .19
[17:30:42] imperfect-: and it's crashed a few times
[17:30:47] xris: weird
[17:30:57] imperfect-: Yeah
[17:30:57] scopeuk: i whouldent know the build im using is from knoppmyth i have no idea what they do to it but they specify p"patches"
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[17:31:06] imperfect-: Yeah
[17:31:17] imperfect-: I think I'll like it once I learn not to watch Live TV ;)
[17:31:18] xris: what distro? packages or self-compile?
[17:31:24] imperfect-: self compiled
[17:31:29] imperfect-: Ubuntu Breezy
[17:31:37] scopeuk: imperfect- when i first upgraded mine (did the whole lot ) it crashed a cupple of times takign the box with it but its been fine scince
[17:31:52] xris: imperfect-: you could have missed some compile options. it's good to check what the packages choose
[17:32:07] imperfect-: wel
[17:32:20] imperfect-: I enabled xvmc
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[17:32:36] imperfect-: The only thing I'll hve to recompile for is EXIF
[17:32:39] scopeuk: do you have nvid/unicrome gfx and drivers in for that?
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[17:38:28] imperfect-: Yeah
[17:38:31] imperfect-: I've got nvidia
[17:38:38] scopeuk: ok
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[17:38:53] imperfect-: and why does mplayer suck so bad?
[17:38:55] scopeuk: this isent to be offensive tyo you in any way ill point that out id jsut liek to knwo what is screwing up your box
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[17:39:01] scopeuk: becouse its mplayer :D
[17:39:09] scopeuk: vlc all the way
[17:39:28] imperfect-: Can you use VLC to output w/ Myth?
[17:39:36] imperfect-: I was thinking that myself
[17:39:45] imperfect-: VLC is the shit.
[17:39:55] GreyFoxx: You could use VLC as a player in mythvideo
[17:40:02] imperfect-: but I was having shitloads of audio-sync errors with mplayer
[17:40:07] scopeuk: not 100% i dont run vlc with myth unless the knoppmyth folks did it for me
[17:40:09] imperfect-: However, no such problem w/ XINE
[17:40:20] scopeuk: i run vlc every where i play media
[17:40:22] ** GreyFoxx just uses the Internal player **
[17:40:35] imperfect-: GreyFoxx : Isn't the internal player mplayer by default
[17:40:38] GreyFoxx: I use VLC for streaming from home to the office
[17:40:40] GreyFoxx: imperfect-: No
[17:40:45] scopeuk: i dont play media except myth recordingd with my myth box it isent worth the effort
[17:40:54] GreyFoxx: The internal player is the internal player, mplayer is an external player
[17:41:01] scopeuk: gonna sya myth web invokes vlc for treaming
[17:41:04] scopeuk: i had noticed that
[17:41:13] GreyFoxx: You can configure mythvideo to use the internal player , just like for TV watching, by setting it to "Internal"
[17:42:39] ** scopeuk feels the need to go blow stuff up biab **
[17:43:05] scopeuk: infact no ill let knopix download first
[17:43:16] xris: GreyFoxx: you're still alive!  ;)
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[17:43:36] GreyFoxx: Barely hehe. So busy with work and getting ready for my trip on Saturday
[17:43:36] scopeuk: fred_basset rules
[17:43:56] xris: GreyFoxx: sucks. you need a vacation
[17:45:05] GreyFoxx: Well, next week will be :)
[17:45:13] GreyFoxx: 1 week of sun, fun , swim and tan
[17:45:23] xris: nice
[17:45:24] scopeuk: in that order
[17:45:30] scopeuk: enjoy yourself
[17:45:49] scopeuk: ill be sat here doing nothing good thinking baout all the it coursework i should hav e been doing for months
[17:49:31] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:49:43] GreyFoxx: I've got lots of stuff planned :)
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[18:01:56] sphing: anyone pxebooting?
[18:03:03] xris: not for myth... we do for all kinds of stuff at work, though
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[18:19:06] sphing: xris using grub?
[18:21:25] sjors: hey.. is there a 0.19 user who can show me the structure of the table "recorded". MySQL lost it
[18:21:30] scopeuk: is there any good reason why mythweb whould crashmy browser
[18:21:34] scopeuk: repeatedly
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[18:21:44] scopeuk: but not always has only stated doign it recently
[18:21:51] scopeuk: no change in browser or mythweb software afaik
[18:22:22] scopeuk: browser is opera 9 windows
[18:23:17] Chicago: What did I screw up if I can't see new recordings I setup with mythweb in my recordings list? I know they were recorded because I see them in my video dir.
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[18:24:25] sjors: Chigago: I got basicly the same situation (can't see any recordings). Mysql lost the "recorded" table
[18:24:35] xris: sphing: no clue... though I think it's a custom special-for-pxe bootloader. haven't messed with it in ages.
[18:24:46] sphing: bah
[18:24:58] sphing: well for all I know it could be working, I just cant get home to test it
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[18:25:12] xris: scopeuk: what version of mythweb? what pages makes it crash? etc...
[18:26:44] Chicago: sjors: Well, I'm on gentoo... just emerged the v19 last week, and only applied mythburn and then mythstreamtv in addition to the official plugins. It did work correctly for at least two recordings last night... but others are not working... I think the only difference is that I specifed "high quality" for those recordings which do show up.
[18:26:49] scopeuk: ok as soon as it tries to load the first page of myth web it dies
[18:27:29] scopeuk: gone back to working now
[18:27:30] xris: scopeuk: weird... I know I have graphical glitches with opera, but haven't seen it crash.
[18:27:33] scopeuk: how long for ive no idea
[18:27:48] scopeuk: im using 9 tech prievie 2
[18:28:03] scopeuk: but ive n ever had problems before im wondrign if address by host instead of ip is messing with it
[18:28:18] drdaz: anybody here find that mythstream just stopped working recently?
[18:28:22] xris: the problem with opera is that it rewrites javascript in an attempt to be more compatible, but sometimes, that just f's things up.
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[18:28:42] drdaz: for some reason mine just refuses to play anything anymore :(
[18:28:43] scopeuk: yeh
[18:28:49] drdaz: hmm
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[18:29:02] drdaz: any idea why?
[18:29:03] scopeuk: althoguh it does when it works reult in a 2 fold speed increas over f and mozila and a 10 fold increas over ie
[18:29:07] drdaz: ahh
[18:29:10] drdaz: heh
[18:29:37] xris: scopeuk: yup.
[18:29:55] xris: need to bug kormoc to help with opera compatibility issues.
[18:29:58] scopeuk: im rearly quite fond of opera
[18:30:06] scopeuk: grabed akey when they gave em away and never looked back
[18:30:19] xris: I did, too.. but stuck with firefox.
[18:30:38] xris: have to run firefox for work, no point in running 2 browsers
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[18:30:53] scopeuk: only thing i have as far as i know the only gfx glitch is that the first page i come to the menu options stay higlighted after i move off em
[18:30:58] scopeuk: but thats a minor niggle
[18:31:06] scopeuk: ive used a pc wit ha fried gfx i can cope with ghosting
[18:31:29] scopeuk: i "acidentaly" did an entier lan party with the fan locked solid
[18:31:30] xris: yeah, that's the only issue I know about, and no one has been able to figure it out.
[18:32:20] port7: how long on average does the 1st xmltv import take?
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[18:32:41] port7: mine has been running for 32 hours now
[18:32:52] scopeuk: whaa
[18:33:05] port7: i take it thats not normal ;-)
[18:33:13] scopeuk: imy last xmltv import after rebuilding it took about 5 mins
[18:33:23] port7: ahh....
[18:33:28] scopeuk: althgouh everything else abotu my setup is wrong so that probably is too
[18:33:39] scopeuk: depends hwo much your grabing and from where
[18:33:48] port7: radio times (uk)
[18:33:59] scopeuk: same here
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[18:34:01] port7: hmm
[18:34:02] port7: ok
[18:34:12] port7: i may kill it then and have a rethink
[18:34:15] scopeuk: all im using that too
[18:34:31] scopeuk: how many channels you grabbing for?
[18:34:44] port7: only the 4
[18:35:02] port7: well i havn't actually specified a particular number
[18:35:44] scopeuk: did you nto do the config during myth tv setup
[18:35:48] scopeuk: i grab 1 – 5
[18:36:00] scopeuk: took 5 mins first time
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[18:38:17] kormoc: xris, yeah, I plan on it
[18:38:38] scopeuk: ill be happy to abuse it with opera for you
[18:38:42] scopeuk: be nice to be of some help
[18:40:04] port7: cheers
[18:40:08] port7: th
[18:40:16] port7: though i may have found my problem
[18:40:27] scopeuk: ?
[18:40:37] scopeuk: lol jsut thgouht my listings said elephants on sambuka
[18:40:38] port7: discovered that you need to answer some questions in the terminal
[18:40:49] scopeuk: Elephants of Samburu:
[18:40:59] port7: i alt-tab'ed to the xterm and said y
[18:41:00] scopeuk: lol oops thought youed doone that bit
[18:41:11] scopeuk: yeh it does say that in a message in the main window
[18:41:16] port7: reading instructions is not a strong point of mine
[18:41:22] scopeuk: heh welcoem to my world
[18:41:25] port7: ;-)
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[18:41:54] scopeuk: althgouht lkast tiem i did t it was remote from my windows box so i had the xterm on the left monitor and the setup prog on the right so its blatant
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[18:42:50] port7: exit
[18:42:56] port7: oops wrong window
[18:43:18] scopeuk: heh i do that too
[18:43:32] port7: right
[18:44:29] port7: ok, how do you get it to assign names to chanels now
[18:44:35] port7: do you need to import into the db?
[18:45:13] scopeuk: think you cna edit it within setup
[18:45:29] scopeuk: or you can do it through mythweb if you have that installed
[18:46:00] port7: nope might try the setup thing then
[18:47:26] scopeuk: give me a sec and ill find he option
[18:48:48] scopeuk: option 5 channel editor
[18:48:56] scopeuk: exit
[18:49:05] scopeuk: told you i did that
[18:49:18] root__: lol
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[18:50:25] laga: thou shalt never irc as root
[18:50:32] WHiTE^^BOX: i aint root
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[18:50:36] WHiTE^^BOX: :S
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[18:50:58] scopeuk: heh yeh becouse its not liek xchat decides to call you what ever your user name on the pc is
[18:51:04] scopeuk: it even give you a warning message lol
[18:51:15] laga: WHiTE^^BOX [n=root@wc-142.r-195-85-157.essentkabel.com ] – yeah, you probably run an identd then ;)
[18:51:51] WHiTE^^BOX: :S
[18:52:33] WHiTE^^BOX: logged in as a user.. su in console for a few things and started xchat from there
[18:52:55] WHiTE^^BOX: but.. no! not as root :S
[18:53:03] scopeuk: heh ive done that before
[18:53:08] scopeuk: while sued you are root
[18:54:00] WHiTE^^BOX: hmm.. brb
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[18:54:09] scopeuk: think we scared him
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[18:56:43] scopeuk: much better
[18:57:07] WHiTE^^BOX: indeed =)
[18:58:51] drdaz: anybody here find that mythstream just stopped working recently?
[18:59:28] Beirdo: nope. I don't use it
[18:59:29] Beirdo: heh
[18:59:33] drdaz: :p
[18:59:39] scopeuk: ive foudn ve never been able to make it work
[18:59:48] drdaz: no?
[18:59:50] Beirdo: I made my own ripping of online radio setup
[19:00:08] jd86: how far do you think i can extend the cable on a ir reciever from the hauppague cards
[19:00:29] drdaz: I'd actually added it to my mythtv compile script... and up til about a couple weeks ago I guess... it worked great
[19:00:44] drdaz: no idea what's made it go wonky
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[19:01:09] drdaz: it just bitches that it cant connect or that there is no stream
[19:01:18] drdaz: which are blatant lies
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[19:03:54] Chicago: drdaz: I haven't had it working yet, but that's on my list... I still can't make it play dvds right either...
[19:04:16] Chicago: but the mythweb was just installed and started working nicely on saturday and I can add programs from my blackberry easily!
[19:04:54] drdaz: :D nice
[19:05:11] Chicago: everybody loved that...
[19:05:32] Chicago: now if only the blackberry could play video... then streaming mythtv would be the hell out of verizon vcast!
[19:05:40] Chicago: beat ==be
[19:06:11] drdaz: the blackberry is a windows mobile thing isnt it?
[19:06:26] Chicago: nah
[19:06:30] Chicago: It's J2ME
[19:06:36] drdaz: hmm ok
[19:07:10] Chicago: I'm thinking of trying the svn myth just to see opengl... unless I can do it on the .v19 on gentoo I have right now.
[19:07:18] scopeuk: im sure you can fix up a way to have it streamed in flash then use a j2me interpreter
[19:07:28] Chicago: I'd like to be able to have my channel logos be transparant and still see tv video behind them.
[19:07:37] Chicago: scopeuk: shit that's smart.
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[19:07:52] Chicago: scopeuk: I haven't seen any flash video on it yet either
[19:08:20] scopeuk: although having said that the execution is curently several thousand feet over my head
[19:08:28] Chicago: It would be nice to watch sopranos live on the cell phone
[19:08:36] scopeuk: and there whould be resonably meaty hardware requirements
[19:08:47] scopeuk: eg i dont belive that a p4 1.6 could do it
[19:09:03] scopeuk: jsdging that one at school took over 5 mins to do a 3 mins clip earleir
[19:11:12] Chicago: I'll wait for another option... the moto razor phones can do video... and they have a dsp in the phone for it... I just dont' think mine has that multimedia capability.
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[19:17:32] roger55: does mythtv check for a running mythfilldatabase before activating the automatic shutdown or do I need to write a checker for this?
[19:19:59] imperfect-: Is anyone working on a better music module
[19:20:02] imperfect-: cuz the stock one BLOWS ;)
[19:20:21] ** Jusk1 cooks & eats the trout :-D **
[19:20:51] Jusk1: imperfect: user who moan about mythtv features blow too
[19:21:06] laga: imperfect-: sure, check svn.mythtv.org
[19:21:24] Jusk1: wtf has happenned to my nick?
[19:21:58] drdaz: it became 1337
[19:22:12] Jusk1: no that'd be
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[19:22:35] drdaz: _|U5K!
[19:22:38] drdaz: even :p
[19:22:43] Jusk1: ah yes
[19:24:42] Jusk1: brb
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[19:26:06] Jusk1: ok... the nick Jusk1 isn't registered.. juski is, but I can't change my nick to that... eh?
[19:26:36] kormoc: thats cause Juski is connected
[19:26:49] kormoc: /msg nickserv ghost Juski password
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[19:27:46] Juski: weirdness
[19:28:23] kormoc: you're using gaim, when all the channels get closed, the connection is still live
[19:28:29] imperfect-: im looking at svn
[19:28:49] imperfect-: Do you know what I should be looking for in terms of a better music program?
[19:29:24] laga: imperfect-: there have been a few tickets, but nothing ever got committed
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[19:29:37] imperfect-: laga: I see.. is there any third party stuff to do it better?
[19:30:00] imperfect-: laga: I mean even a file browser that allowed you to play media fromt he browser would be better that what's currently there, imho.
[19:30:33] imperfect-: hel
[19:30:43] imperfect-: I'm close to learning qt3 myself
[19:30:47] imperfect-: Just to make this happen ;)
[19:31:12] Juski: be sure to follow the style guide or your code will become another forgotten unofficial plugin ;)
[19:31:25] imperfect-: hehe
[19:31:26] imperfect-: ;)
[19:31:39] laga: imperfect-: you can browse the media on the filesystem.
[19:31:44] laga: via mythmusic, that is
[19:31:49] Huijari: imperfect-: yeah, do it properly, i want that plugin too! :D
[19:31:52] imperfect-: laga: Yeah but oyu can't play the song ;)
[19:32:27] Juski: that mythstream would've been a great plugin if the author has listened to the main developers
[19:32:31] laga: imperfect-: of course you can.
[19:32:44] imperfect-: laga: Maybe I jsut don't know the keycodes then
[19:32:53] imperfect-: laga: cuz from what happens I've got the select a artist
[19:32:55] imperfect-: and then exit out
[19:32:59] imperfect-: and then play the music
[19:33:57] laga: imperfect-: you need to tell it to let you browse the file system. i believe that works by setting "directory" as the sorting method in mythmusic's settings. read the help text there.
[19:34:12] laga: actually, i like the splitartist/splirtartist1 view.
[19:34:45] imperfect-: Hrm
[19:34:52] imperfect-: Maybe it doesn't suck as much as I thought
[19:35:19] laga: maybe you're just bitching without knowing wtf you're talking about. is that possible?
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[19:35:55] enyc: ?deoes anybody know abuot the possibility of recieving/recording/whatever multiple channels from Conexant DVB-T cards on the same MUX?
[19:36:32] Chicago: What's the main rewrite needed with mythstreamtv?
[19:36:37] Juski: enyc: yes, you'd use VDR
[19:36:48] Chicago: I'll do what I can
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[19:37:04] enyc: Juski: oh?? separately from mythtv? or integrated to MythTv?
[19:37:08] Juski: enyc: that feature you mention is in the pipeline but a lot of other stuff has to be fixed first
[19:37:08] laga: Chicago: you talking about mythstreamtv or mythstream? ;)
[19:37:19] Juski: mythstream I bet ;)
[19:37:20] xris: laga: rewrite == mythweb
[19:37:30] Chicago: laga: hmm, you tell me.
[19:37:32] enyc: Juski: aaah ok
[19:37:38] enyc: Juski: thx for letting me know ;-)
[19:37:47] Chicago: Chicago: I found them both on saturday, looked like mythstream was older and mythstreamtv was newer...
[19:37:52] xris: Chicago: you've been asking about mythstreamtv for awhile, so I assume it's still the mythweb issues.
[19:38:00] xris: mythstream is a frontend plugin for listening to audio streams from the web.
[19:38:07] Juski: enyc: VDR won't integrate into mythtv.. some ass-hat claims to have done it, but I heard he's such an idiot it's probably shite
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[19:38:17] enyc: Juski: kk ;-)
[19:38:17] laga: hehe
[19:38:18] Chicago: xris: yeah... but I found I didn't have httpd on in my vlc... so that probably was the reason.. (new error message)
[19:38:19] laga: dalibox.
[19:38:25] enyc: Juski: alternatives.. each ciomplements the other etc. ;-)
[19:38:33] laga: Juski: i'll never forget that guy ;)
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[19:39:12] Juski: well on the one hand there's mythtv, which is very nice but only records one channel at a time per DVB card. Then there's VDR, which can record a whole mux and is a stinking pile of poo
[19:39:21] port7: anyone running myth on ubuntu dapper?
[19:39:26] Juski: so in that way I guess they compliment each other
[19:39:36] jonK_: no, running on hoary though
[19:40:01] ** Juski wonders which hat they pull distro names from **
[19:40:15] enyc: Juski: heh
[19:40:17] port7: jonK_ did you install from source or apt?
[19:40:26] enyc: Juski: well mythtv now has better understanding of DVB now ;-) so....
[19:40:31] Chicago: xris: okay.. now I see they are two different packages... I haven't installed mythstream then... only mythstreamtv... So are they both just unofficialy not finished projects because of non-conformity to the style guidelines?
[19:40:39] enyc: Juski: the ability to do such cvlever thigns will get ther e;-)
[19:40:53] enyc: Juski: I suppose the problem comes from the 'dynamic allocation' type issues --
[19:40:59] Juski: enyc: it's most certainly planned and some talented people are working on improving DVB in general
[19:41:06] stuarta: Juski: it's not a hat :)
[19:41:13] Juski: lol
[19:41:30] enyc: Juski: as essentially the available tuners etc. depends on the available muxes in use etc. etc.
[19:41:33] xris: Chicago: dunno about mythstream. mythstreamtv isn't official because no one has asked that it be (in fact, I'd *like* to make it official, but the author has never contacted me since he first released it)
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[19:41:45] ** laga had the impression that mythstreamtv was not included because it was some shell-scripty POS, buggy as hell. **
[19:41:45] ** xris slaps himself with the grammar trout. **
[19:41:54] Chicago: xris: I wrote him this weekend, he didn't write back...
[19:41:55] xris: laga: that'd be the other reason
[19:41:59] laga: but that's prolly just me ;)
[19:42:02] Juski: I think I'm just about recovered from the shock of a visiting neighbour seeing some of my pr0n... saved some stills of the cctv shots then went to browse to see them... D'OH
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[19:42:39] laga: Juski: well, you had some porn in that mythtv video. ;)
[19:42:45] Chicago: imho: fixing mythstreamtv is easier than coding up a custom zencart.
[19:43:03] Juski: yes laga, but not in the 'recorded programmes' list, take note ;-)
[19:43:23] laga: Juski: well, the fact that we didn't see it there doesn't mean it was not there.
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[19:43:43] Juski: rofl
[19:44:04] ** Juski scoots off to delete a**l teens, pronto **
[19:44:44] Krazylegz: Silly Brits.
[19:45:05] laga: Krazylegz: why, are you proud of your porn?
[19:45:12] eiggirC: would a second backend box make nuvexport run faster?
[19:45:22] eiggirC: 12 hours for a 30 minute show is rather long
[19:45:24] Krazylegz: laga: I'm an American. I have to be proud of something!
[19:45:27] D-side: eiggirC: nope.
[19:45:34] eiggirC: Krazylegz: be proud of your legs then
[19:45:38] eiggirC: Krazylegz: be proud of your legz then
[19:45:39] Krazylegz: Ma legz.
[19:45:43] Krazylegz: There ya go.
[19:46:06] laga: Krazylegz: i thought you guys had patriotism?
[19:46:07] xris: eiggirC: it's slow no matter what you do
[19:46:13] xris: linux video encoders just suck
[19:46:18] eiggirC: xris: reckon.
[19:46:26] Juski: be proud of your El Presidente – somebody has to be
[19:46:27] eiggirC: xris: more CPU would help of course
[19:46:28] D-side: eiggirC: er, well, you could use one to do commflagging i think.
[19:46:34] D-side: eiggirC: but i dont know how much of a help that would be. heh
[19:46:37] Krazylegz: laga: I lumped that in with the pornography.
[19:46:43] D-side: Juski: I don't know about that.
[19:46:57] xris: eiggirC: of course.. but it still takes my 2.8G 64 bit dual core p-D a couple of hours to encode 23 minutes of show (half hour show minus commercials)
[19:47:06] eiggirC: D-side: yeah – commercial flagging here is obly about 60% accurate, so I have to check it all anyway.
[19:47:12] D-side: yeah same here.
[19:47:15] D-side: i dont use it at all.
[19:47:19] eiggirC: fair enough
[19:47:20] Chicago: xris: are you capturing at 16000?
[19:47:30] xris: Chicago: huh?
[19:47:31] eiggirC: xris: ouch.
[19:47:42] eiggirC: xris: mine's a P3 at 866.... the best machine in the house
[19:47:47] Chicago: xris: what bitrate do you have your encoder set to?
[19:47:51] xris: eiggirC: yeah, that'll be really slow.
[19:47:54] D-side: i see the same results with my amd64 3800+ X2.
[19:47:56] xris: Chicago: which one? nuvexport or myth?
[19:47:59] eiggirC: is nuvexport multithreaded?
[19:48:08] Chicago: xris: myth
[19:48:17] D-side: eiggirC: nuvexport is a "frontend" to ffmpeg really.
[19:48:21] Juski: eh? I can transcode to mpeg4 in about real time on my athlon 2Ghz
[19:48:45] eiggirC: D-side: okay – looking at top I see "transcode" using 95% CPU so a SMP machine won't really help it either
[19:48:49] xris: eiggirC: sort of... it doesn't have to be because the calls like mythtranscode/denoise/etc are separate threads.. doesn't help to run the encoders in multi-cpu mode (actually causes problems)
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[19:49:15] xris: Chicago: dunno. whatever results in about 2.6G/hour (plus 1–3 minutes early/late)
[19:49:20] eiggirC: I just need more CPI :)
[19:49:23] eiggirC: erm – CPU
[19:49:31] eiggirC: more characters per inch won't help at all.
[19:49:37] D-side: eiggirC: when it comes to nuvexport, take what I have to say with a grain of salt, and listen to everything xris has to say. heh
[19:49:51] D-side: and yes, you do need more cpu.
[19:50:01] eiggirC: D-side: no way – I listen to anyone with a positive clue/crap ratio
[19:50:05] eiggirC: so I never listen to myself
[19:50:17] xris: eiggirC: I've run dual proc or dual core for a long time.. doesn't really help with what nuvexport does... and there are sometimes jittery frame issues when turning on the multi-cpu code in ffmpeg and transcode, even if you have multiple cpu's
[19:50:25] Chicago: How successful are you guys in getting a burned DVD to play in most any arbitrary DVD player?
[19:50:33] D-side: eiggirC: you've known me long enough to disregard what i have to say. heh
[19:50:38] eiggirC: xris: gotcha. More BOGOMIPS!
[19:50:42] eiggirC: D-side: grin
[19:50:56] eiggirC: D-side: for some reason I still associate your nick with d-link
[19:50:58] xris: I don't burn video to dvd.. seems silly to waste a dvd on a crappy tv recording. everything goes to xvid
[19:51:10] xris: well, everything worth archiving.
[19:51:28] D-side: eiggirC: I don't think I deserved that insult.
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[19:51:45] D-side: xris: it can be useful if you want to share it with a friend/family member
[19:51:53] eiggirC: D-side: wasn't meant to insult you... if anything it insults me for having such gear in the house
[19:51:56] Chicago: xris: I hear you on xvid. It's great.
[19:51:56] eiggirC: :)
[19:52:17] Chicago: I had some cool stuff I captured that I wanted to give to a friend and he only has a DVD player... so I made a DVD and tested it on some players and it worked... and on some players and it didn't...
[19:52:25] xris: Chicago: I watch everything on my workstation or my mythbox, anyway...
[19:52:30] stuarta: isn't xvid supported by lots of those portable players????
[19:52:50] D-side: I occasionally export videos to PSP format, and thats always fun
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[19:52:53] xris: yeah, homemade dvd's are like that. can be either the media or the encoder.
[19:53:01] Chicago: Anybody have a good method to produce DVDs that play in most players?
[19:53:06] xris: stuarta: some of them, not all of them. depends on the flavor of xvid/divx, too.
[19:53:11] D-side: xris: yeah, interop issues like that just suck.
[19:53:14] xris: Chicago: apple idvd.
[19:53:16] Juski: it's more down to the discs/dye
[19:53:23] xris: and use – media, not + media
[19:53:26] D-side: Chicago: dvdauthor can work.
[19:53:35] Chicago: D-side: that's what I've been toying with.
[19:53:37] atomjack: anyone know why for a certain channel (KNTV san francisco, nbc affiliate) the time readout is wrong? It says the total playtime is around 52 minutes, yet the program is actually like 59:56 or so...it's an HDTV station (with hd-3000)...also, the time readout goes faster than normal, so it is in fact playing all 59:56 worth of the show, it's just the time readout is messed up. This doesn't happen for some other HDTV channels...
[19:53:56] Juski: if one player can read them okay but others can't it's not likely to be the encoding and/or file structure...
[19:54:06] D-side: if you've got one of the PVR cards, just be sure to specify the particular mpeg2 streamtype that's "dvd compliant"
[19:54:12] atomjack: but it looks like it happens for every HDTV program I record on that channel
[19:54:18] D-side: i'm only halfway talking out of my ass with the above; i cant remember the details.
[19:54:22] xris: atomjack: could be a VBR issue, but I didn't think HDTV was vbr
[19:54:30] atomjack: hmm
[19:54:41] Chicago: D-side: I'm wondering then if it's IVTV I need to mess with ...
[19:54:57] D-side: Chicago: the setting i'm speaking of can be set within mythtv.
[19:55:03] xris: Chicago: are you just burning your ivtv recordings straight to disk>?
[19:55:03] atomjack: hmm i am sure the audio is in ac3
[19:55:09] D-side: god help me if i could remember where though
[19:55:20] D-side: xris: i've had that work fairly well in the past.
[19:55:35] xris: they're not dvd compatible. ivtv tends to insert blank frames sometimes, and that confuses some players, causes a/v sync issues on others.
[19:55:39] eiggirC: Chicago: some DVD players can play back XVID files
[19:55:45] eiggirC: pioneer has some.
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[19:55:48] Chicago: D-side: I've been it there too... MPEG-PS or MPEG-TS right? I'm trying to capture with my hauppauge 500 under mythtv... than cut commercials surgically using cinelerra and then burn to dvd using dvdauthor.
[19:55:51] eiggirC: and they're relatively cheap
[19:56:04] xris: Chicago: why not just use myth to cut the commercials?
[19:56:06] D-side: Chicago: oh good lord no.
[19:56:11] D-side: what xris said.
[19:56:22] D-side: use mythtv to edit the commercials out, and nuvexport to dump a new mpeg2 file.
[19:56:26] Chicago: eiggirC: that's awesome to hear. I wonder if those via epia-sp boards just play divx or if they'll support xvid...
[19:56:33] xris: D-side: .19 has lossless mpeg2 cutting
[19:56:44] atomjack: oh also, anyone know if there's a patch for 0.19 to make bookmarks in mythtv work? the latest svn is fixed but i cant record any HDTV stuff with it..
[19:56:46] scopeuk: Juski managed to fix my xml tv software update and replaced the script with an original voff the net
[19:56:50] scopeuk: adn it apears to be working
[19:56:51] ** Juski plays back divx & xvid on his Epia M-10k without any issues **
[19:56:53] D-side: xris: i'm not sure what the implications of that is.
[19:56:55] Chicago: xris: just so I can put in some flavor and do some editing and learn cinelerra...
[19:57:00] D-side: xris: meaning, nuvexport isnt necessary?
[19:57:05] gardengnome: D-side: well, it implies pure ownage.
[19:57:18] D-side: gardengnome: feel free to elaborate. :)
[19:57:23] D-side: interesting nick choice btw.
[19:57:28] xris: not for lossless mpeg2 cutting, no.. I even removed mpeg2cut from nuvexport for the .3 tree
[19:57:44] scopeuk: he always uses gardengnome when he doesent want to be recognised
[19:57:56] D-side: oh no kidding? is it an edit option to apply the cutlist and "trim" it?
[19:58:10] D-side: i cant wait to play with that when iget home
[19:58:13] xris: D-side: look in transcode profiles... has a checkbox for "lossless"
[19:58:14] gardengnome: D-side: ;) you make your cutlist, hit "transcode" and it cuts out commercials. quite fast, i might add. there's even support for dvdnav packets, but that didn't work well for me and is probably not in 0.19
[19:58:17] eiggirC: xris: fear my speed! processed: 3552 of 110340 frames (3.22%), 4.31 fps
[19:58:28] xris: so just press X after editing, like you normally would to convert to nupplevideo
[19:58:30] atomjack: lol
[19:58:34] gardengnome: scopeuk: bullshit ;) i choose that nick when i have to do a few /query's
[19:58:50] gardengnome: xris: what happens if you don't use lossless?
[19:58:56] D-side: xris: thats fantastic. thanks a lot for making me aware.
[19:59:09] gardengnome: D-side: and for the dvb people, it saves a lot of space because it throws unnecessary stuff away
[19:59:12] xris: gardengnome: it encodes to mpeg4 nupplevideo like it used to
[19:59:31] xris: D-side: yeah. dunno how so many people missed out on that in the new-feature list.
[19:59:33] eiggirC: Later all
[19:59:45] gardengnome: xris: and i thought there was a special profile...oh well, thanks for letting me know
[19:59:50] D-side: xris: i saw the feature listed, but didnt realize how it was actively applied to usage
[19:59:55] D-side: eiggirC: later.
[20:00:07] xris: gardengnome: there is... there's one transcode profile for each source video type.
[20:00:09] atomjack: xris: do you have anything to do with the code that does commercial scans?
[20:00:15] xris: nope
[20:00:36] D-side: now for "i'm a whiner" question: how do you then take this cut recording and export it to a "sensible" filename
[20:00:48] D-side: or is that what mythrename.pl is for? :)
[20:00:49] atomjack: ah, cause i had an idea for hdtv channels, when something is in hd i imagine it would be easy to search for a change in aspect ratio and use that for the commercial markers
[20:02:25] gardengnome: D-side: yep.
[20:03:08] xris: D-side: mythrename
[20:04:04] xris: which will someday get put into mythextras along with nuvexport and other perl stuff, once I finish writing the perl hook for libmyth
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[20:04:19] gardengnome: xris: what is the perl hook for libmyth gonna do?
[20:05:15] Juski: I'd have thought that was obvious
[20:05:26] xris: gardengnome: single api for interacting with the backend, so I don't have to keep copy/pasting code between each script I write
[20:05:35] xris: it'll install with mythtv itself.
[20:05:39] Juski: that guy on the dev mailing list has written a whole mythtv system in PERL, so the devs have seen the light :-P
[20:05:51] gardengnome: xris: cool
[20:05:52] xris: it'll also mean that I don't have to code specific versions of things like nuvexport for each version of myth
[20:06:05] Juski: excellentness :)
[20:06:17] kormoc: now all we need is php bindings!
[20:06:33] xris: kormoc: working on standardizing all of that stuff, too
[20:06:47] xris: once the perl stuff is done, I'll rewrite mythbackend.php to match
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[20:07:10] ** xris needs another 24 hours each day for sleep. **
[20:07:14] D-side: theres only one thing left that I'd love to have: streaming over the web.
[20:07:22] gardengnome: D-side: mythstreamtv?
[20:07:22] xris: and to get rid of this stupid tendonitis
[20:07:40] D-side: gardengnome: last i checked it didnt work very well.
[20:08:03] atomjack: any idea if there's plans to use ajax in mythweb? the main listings page takes forever to load because of all the program details it has to load...ajax would greatly help (the page weight in just the html is over 300k)
[20:08:03] unkle: hi people ! :)
[20:08:13] xris: D-side: I've been working on a passthrough stream for mythweb, but run into issues with timeouts and other such stuff with php. need a separate cgi app to deal with it, and that'll cause too many issues for people to install
[20:08:23] gardengnome: D-side: nice that it worked at all for you ;)
[20:08:31] xris: atomjack: parts of mythweb already use ajax, and yes the listing page will get smarter before .20 is out
[20:08:37] D-side: gardengnome: oh well in that case, thanks for suggesting something you know doesnt work. :)
[20:08:37] atomjack: cool
[20:08:42] mythdUP: hey all, just installed myth on ubuntu, got everything except the backend working: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[20:08:58] mythdUP: complains about .qt
[20:08:59] atomjack: i took a look at some of it with the possible idea of contributing but...ahh it would take me too long to learn how mythweb does it's thing i think
[20:09:00] atomjack: heh
[20:09:02] D-side: xris: I know a guy who's working on a vlc based streaming system, integrated into the latest mythweb.
[20:09:05] gardengnome: D-side: well, i know i'm exceptionally stupid. so it might work for other people ;)
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[20:09:18] D-side: clearly this is all on his own, since i'm sure you know nothing of it. :)
[20:09:18] unkle: im experiencing a problem where it appears as if MythTV overrules my ivtv-settings ...would any of you help me out a little ?
[20:09:19] kormoc: atomjack, the ajax lib in mythweb is really nice and easy.
[20:09:53] atomjack: not the ajax, the rest of it..it looks a bit daunting
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[20:10:08] kormoc: ahh, yeah, it is a bit
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[20:10:40] kormoc: tho, xris just made some really nice changes this weekend. It should make writing modules much easier.
[20:10:53] atomjack: ahh
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[20:11:09] unkle: i can set the ivtv_standard with "ivtvctl -u 0xff" and then i can do the cat-trick and produce an mpeg with a fine result, but if i start mythfront/backend it only shows static and when i pop out again and tunes with ptune to the channel i just cat'ed it is only static... its as if the freq-table gets altered during mythtv somehow
[20:11:17] atomjack: yeah i just did an update and noticed the only mythplugins changes since i last did it were all to mythweb
[20:11:48] unkle: or maybe not the freqtable but the ivtv_standard... im at a loss here
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[20:13:56] xris: atomjack: and LOTS of mythweb changes. heh
[20:15:04] ** D-side ponders streaming via flash video **
[20:15:34] unkle: anyone... please ? :)
[20:16:51] D-side: that may be a filthy hack, but i like it.
[20:17:00] sphing: kormoc: isnt it your ajax lib?
[20:18:25] RaYmAn-Bx: unkle: checked that you told myth to use the correct freqtable?
[20:19:23] kormoc: sphing, I've made a lot of changes to it, aye.
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[20:21:11] unkle: RaYmAn-Bx: yes :)
[20:21:30] xris: D-side: it's been mentioned. I'm all for it if you can find out how
[20:21:49] unkle: RaYmAn-Bx: and im giving myth-channelsettings the same freqid as i do in my ptune-command
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[20:22:48] D-side: xris: he's doing a fairly good job, except for the whole "different gcc versions required for different components"
[20:22:51] D-side: heh
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[20:24:55] unkle: maybe im in the wrong channel... this is for users, – not primarily developers right ? (im sorry if im mistaken!)
[20:25:42] Juski: OMFG the editing in mythtv is brilliant! if these 2 lossless transcodes I've set up work... woooo!!
[20:26:00] xris: D-side: ?
[20:26:17] ** Juski has never even looked at editing recordings before, btw **
[20:26:45] xris: unkle: user-user support channel. but we talk about dev ideas here, just not specifics.. since ANYTHING off-topic in the dev channel gets you glared at and/or kicked.
[20:27:00] gardengnome: Juski: you missed out.
[20:27:34] Juski: it's _so_ quick & easy to set the cutpoints
[20:27:42] xris: Juski: just hit Z
[20:27:57] Juski: I don't have a Z on my remote control ;-)
[20:28:03] xris: heh
[20:28:10] xris: that's "import flagged commercials as a cutlist"
[20:28:11] D-side: xris: sorry, that was rather vague. vlc needed gcc 3.2, ffmpeg needed 3.4, etc etc.
[20:28:16] xris: M will get you to the menu, too
[20:28:19] xris: D-side: ahh
[20:28:26] xris: that sucks
[20:28:34] Juski: fragged commercials... doesn't work very well on Uk recordings
[20:28:37] unkle: xris: ok, does that mean my question regarding setup/problem is a "no no" ?
[20:28:40] D-side: xris: yeah. other than that it worked pretty well.
[20:28:49] D-side: Juski: ah, first time playing with making a cutlist?
[20:29:11] Juski: only question I have is how the heck do you choose which profile to use for transcoding?
[20:29:41] atomjack: is it just me or is DVB broken in the latest svn? 0.19 works fine, but when i switch to using svn it just doesn't make the recording – trying to view it says the recording can't be found, and the file that should be in the video directory is not there...
[20:29:54] stuarta: Juski: I use high quality & set it as lossless....
[20:30:02] D-side: Juski: I plan on finding out the answer to that as soon as i return home.
[20:30:03] atomjack: one thing i've noticed is that with the svn version, it has some extra lines when it tries to set to record:
[20:30:04] atomjack: SIParser: Setting ATSCStreamData
[20:30:08] atomjack: SIParser: Setting DVBStreamData
[20:30:10] xris: unkle: pretty much
[20:30:12] atomjack: and SIParser: SetStreamData(0)
[20:30:18] xris: that's a support question, better for here
[20:31:53] unkle: xris: ok, my apologies... its just that my post at mythtvtalk.com seems to be ignored and im kinda desparate to get this EPIA(gentoo)-box going since my old debian died :)
[20:32:10] stuarta: Juski: that leaves medium & low quality for transcoding to smaller formats...
[20:32:20] gardengnome: Juski: how dare you to ignore his posting!
[20:32:47] gardengnome: stuarta: there's an auto detect profile that usually did the job for me ;). dunno what it's actually supposed to do
[20:32:53] Juski: you can tell the guy who wrote the 'archiving recordings' section of the manual is an Englander... very DVB-T specific ;-) heh
[20:33:04] stuarta: gardengnome: I like control... :)
[20:33:13] Juski: don't do EPIA on gentoo... jesus...
[20:33:44] Beirdo: don't do gentoo? You got it :)
[20:33:45] Beirdo: heheeh
[20:33:57] Juski: I tried going gentoo on my epia box & got very very bored... compile... compile... compile....
[20:33:58] fozi: atomjack: SIParser: SetStreamData(0) is prbably an error
[20:34:02] atomjack: i need a good suggestion for an IR receiver....the IRA-3 is out of stock and who knows how long it will be til they have more...anyone?
[20:34:08] Juski: IRA?
[20:34:11] jams: Beirdo- beat me to it
[20:34:13] ** Juski ducks **
[20:34:23] D-side: Juski: distcc
[20:34:29] fozi: i think it's a pointer
[20:34:35] ** Juski dons flak jacket & phones in the safe word **
[20:34:55] D-side: Juski: along with about 3 other fast boxes and distcc, its very bearable. :)
[20:35:34] atomjack: hrm
[20:35:43] fozi: atomjack: reviion 9489 is working
[20:36:05] atomjack: oh yeah? ok
[20:36:09] ** Beirdo reminds Juski to put a keg of Guinness by the door **
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[20:36:13] Juski: atomjack: can you hold a soldering iron without burning yourself, a helper, and your house down?
[20:36:16] unkle: Juski: emerge -g ...and distcc ;)
[20:36:31] atomjack: hehe, i suppose
[20:36:38] unkle: Juski: distcc for the rest of the sauce...
[20:37:35] Juski: yay! just edited the commercials out of 'Frasier' in less time than it'd take to copy over to my windows box, blood, sweat, etc...
[20:37:40] atomjack: nice
[20:37:49] Juski: marvellous
[20:38:00] Juski: right... offski to watch some telly
[20:38:02] atomjack: juski
[20:38:05] atomjack: recommendations?
[20:38:08] stuarta: now if commercial detection was perfect......
[20:38:08] atomjack: for an ir receiver?
[20:38:21] Juski: or if it worked in the UK...
[20:38:31] unkle: or DK....
[20:38:45] Juski: atomjack: see www.lirc.org for a schematic for a serial port based receiver
[20:39:05] Juski: telly time...
[20:39:12] atomjack: ok
[20:40:53] Juski: bastard ITV shite
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[20:41:11] atomjack: 9489 is not working
[20:41:18] stuarta: Juski: while you are playing around with cutting, see if you can see a little line of morse code taking up 2/3 of the first line, lasts about 5 frames at the start and end of commercial breaks... (on some channels)
[20:41:25] ** Juski is not the master of the telly in his own house.. comes to something when that happens.. that's when you know you're married **
[20:41:48] Beirdo: heh
[20:41:48] Juski: stuarta: been thinking about sifting through freeview recordings with a fine tooth comb
[20:41:50] gardengnome: Juski: get another frontend.
[20:41:57] fozi: atomjack: it is working for me
[20:42:04] atomjack: dvb recordings work?
[20:42:11] Juski: do they ever!
[20:42:21] atomjack: not for me..
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[20:42:37] fozi: yes, both DVB-t and DVB-C
[20:42:39] atomjack: trying 9465, found a mailing list post about it
[20:42:44] Juski: stuarta: I don't ever see lines.. got my playback overscanned
[20:42:46] atomjack: syas there's a bug in 9466
[20:43:13] Juski: but on the backend's monitor however... I'll keep my eye out
[20:43:32] stuarta: atomjack: that was me saying that. changeset's been reverted...
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[20:44:16] atomjack: hmm
[20:44:31] atomjack: should i do a make distclean before recompiling if i revert to an older rev?
[20:44:40] atomjack: could that mess it up?
[20:45:01] stuarta: yes you should.
[20:45:04] atomjack: ah ok
[20:45:29] stuarta: unless you know what's changed and how that affects the result
[20:45:34] atomjack: ah
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[20:46:23] atomjack: thanks
[20:46:24] stuarta: atomjack: Suggest you go forward, not backward though
[20:46:36] atomjack: oh so it's fixed in the latest latest?
[20:46:41] stuarta: but subscribe to -dev & -commits
[20:47:03] stuarta: so has what been fixed???
[20:47:07] atomjack: dvb
[20:47:31] stuarta: dvb's been working for a long time. there's just the odd changeset that breaks it.
[20:47:37] atomjack: yeah..that's what i mean
[20:47:38] atomjack: ok
[20:47:45] stuarta: hence the need to read -dev & -commits...
[20:47:53] atomjack: i guess i updated to one that was broken, then didnt do a distclean so it didnt fix it or something
[20:47:57] atomjack: yeah
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[20:57:26] Juski: bloody hell no wonder commflagging hardly works on ITV recordings... always xfades into channel idents
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[20:59:39] user_abuse: hello – question about mythfilldatabase. It is currently taking hours and brings my server to it's knees.
[20:59:55] user_abuse: I run mythfilldatabase from cron once a week
[21:00:16] user_abuse: fc4 with mysql 4
[21:00:39] user_abuse: is there something I can tweak or take a closer look at to figure out what the issue is?
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[21:00:53] user_abuse: mythfilldatabase is showing 5 defunct shells
[21:01:19] user_abuse: oops – make that 8 defunct shells
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[21:04:21] sphing: user_abuse: something is fuxed
[21:04:40] sphing: kill mythfilldatabase and make sure the mythtv has r/w access to the mysql table
[21:05:10] sphing: mythfilldatabase -v all outputs everything
[21:06:12] user_abuse: sphing, ok – doing it now
[21:08:37] user_abuse: hmm
[21:08:40] user_abuse: won;t die
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[21:10:33] sphing: kill -9
[21:10:48] user_abuse: did – I think it finally dies – had top srop crond also
[21:11:58] defi_: Why would me screen look different when using gdm?
[21:12:00] stuarta: hmmm... bbc likes to put a green dot in the top left corner at the start & end of programs...
[21:15:04] user_abuse: sphing, mysql:mysql owns /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg and the files (tables) in it
[21:15:47] roger55: what's the trick to not lose control of keyboard/remote when playing video with mythvideo?
[21:15:50] user_abuse: cresits is quite large
[21:18:43] kormoc: roger55, use a window manager, or use the internal video player
[21:19:11] roger55: kormoc, ah
[21:19:55] roger55: kormoc, what can the internal player not do that mplayer can?
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[21:23:11] kormoc: roger55, the internal player supports these: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ffmpeg-doc.html#SEC16
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[21:24:43] roger55: kormoc, thanks.
[21:25:30] Juski: heh. my backend has never worked so hard in its life... well not since compiling 0.19 anyway :-P
[21:26:00] stuarta: mine was just sitting 2–3% while doing 2 simultaneous recordings...
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[21:26:26] D-side: Juski: doing anything good?
[21:26:46] Juski: just lossless transcoding
[21:26:50] D-side: ah.
[21:26:58] stuarta: = good...
[21:27:00] D-side: yeah i cant wait to play with that also.
[21:27:07] D-side: i wonder how much space thats going to reclaim
[21:27:10] Juski: mightily chuffed with that, I have to say
[21:27:40] Juski: recordings I've edited so far (for wifey archiving) – saved over 200MB per show
[21:27:41] stuarta: damn timestretch won't go faster than 2x :(
[21:28:16] Juski: how fast do you want it to go?
[21:28:46] stuarta: dunno, but it's an episode I know I've seen, but can't remember what happens....
[21:28:53] Juski: is there any particular reason why we can't have 'trick' ffw & rew ?
[21:29:20] user_abuse: hmm
[21:29:30] kormoc: stuarta, you could just jump ahead with the arrow keys
[21:29:39] user_abuse: sphing, btw – I truncated the credits and people tables – credits was +390M
[21:29:58] user_abuse: ran mythfilldatabase and it flew through but it didn;t have to add anything ...
[21:29:59] stuarta: nah, that's no fun... plus I want to find out how fast I can get this to go... :)
[21:30:15] Juski: you have the source... see to it :-P
[21:31:07] stuarta: I may have to. it's not high on my list, 1. fix scanning 2. improve eit handling 3. others...
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[21:31:41] Juski: 3. get whole mux recording working :-)
[21:31:59] stuarta: now that's just being greedy.....
[21:32:22] stuarta: I'd call that 0.21 or 0.22 material...
[21:34:20] stuarta: star trek is quite funny at 2x
[21:35:09] user_abuse: sphing, thanks for the clue
[21:35:19] Juski: stuarta: I was kidding btw
[21:35:40] stuarta: :) btw. it's doable, just very very very extensive...
[21:37:01] robthebob: anybody know about qmake at all?
[21:37:29] stuarta: what do you want to know?
[21:38:01] robthebob: i cant see why x11lib is being added to the $$CONFIG variable, and therefore why its including X11 and Xext
[21:38:10] robthebob: id really prefer it didnt
[21:38:15] kormoc: robthebob, why?
[21:38:17] robthebob: (cygwin)
[21:38:34] kormoc: they're sorta required libs, cygwin doesn't provide them?
[21:38:44] robthebob: it does, but why should it need to?
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[21:39:02] robthebob: qt shouldnt need it surely on windows
[21:39:24] kormoc: robthebob, qt was designed as a x11 application, and uses x11 hooks, not windows api hooks
[21:39:33] danieldk: hi guys could you help me out with mythstream?
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[21:40:22] robthebob: including the windows version?
[21:40:49] kormoc: robthebob, the windows version of qt doesn't run on cygwin. the cygwin version of qt does use the x11 hooks
[21:41:03] robthebob: right ok
[21:41:19] robthebob: at the end of this compile will it launch into an xserver then?
[21:41:40] kormoc: cygwin does come with a x server I beleive, and yeah, it will need that
[21:43:00] roger55: kormoc, thanks a lot works like a charm!
[21:43:07] robthebob: hmm, thats not 100% satisfactory
[21:43:32] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:43:40] kormoc: you have the source, you can change how it works
[21:44:28] robthebob: i mean surely it could be compiled against qt-win
[21:45:16] robthebob: why do all the devs take the slightest negative comment (which in that case wasn't even directed at myth) as a personal attack?
[21:47:42] robthebob: my confusion here is the _WIN32 at the same time as qmake running in 'unix' mode, thats all
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[21:49:40] robthebob: combined with people on the list telling me not to link in X, although i have to say with what you've said i cant see how it would work without it
[21:49:52] Ediehow: yes!
[21:49:59] Ediehow: xvmc fixes my performance problems!
[21:50:05] Ediehow: unfortunately it works on xine but not correctly on mythtv
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[21:53:12] roger55: where is the --slow option stored that mythfilldatabase passes to tv_grav_tvtoday...?
[21:53:28] ** roger55 can't find out anything by himself today :( **
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[21:57:16] kormoc: robthebob, I donno. I may be very wrong with this, it's been ages last time I played with cygwin.
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[21:57:54] robthebob: i'll go with X for the moment kormoc thanks
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[22:16:06] Fredde87: where does mythvideo store its settings like the listing command? In what table?
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[22:20:21] Anduin: Fredde87: Listing command?
[22:20:31] Fredde87: yes, for imdb lookups etc
[22:21:21] Anduin: Fredde87: settings
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[22:21:40] Fredde87: Anduin yes but where in the mysql database :P
[22:21:54] Fredde87: sorry should have been more clear
[22:22:00] Anduin: Fredde87: in the settings table, specifically the MoviesXXXCommandLine
[22:22:29] Fredde87: thanks!
[22:23:05] Fredde87: perfect it worked :)
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[22:48:48] cg: Hello, i've got a mythtv-box, with a nova-t dvbt-card, it has been running for about 3 weeks now, but sudenly, when i watch tv, the picture and sound gets jittery (when i record somthing, the problem is the same) dos anyone know, what the problem could be??
[22:49:06] Agrajag-: signal strength ok?
[22:49:25] cg: how do i check the signal strength??
[22:49:57] Agrajag-: femon or tzap or somesuch.. or in 0.19 it tells you the signal strength when you change channel
[22:49:59] Mersault: If I just created a cutlist for two programs, and I want to burn them with mythburn, do I need to do anything in order to cut the commercials, or are they cut automatically when it creates the iso?
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[22:51:12] xris: Mersault: I think mythburn uses nuvexport to reencode the files
[22:51:22] xris: otherwise, you can use the lossless commercial cutting built into .19
[22:51:32] Mersault: I have .19
[22:51:37] cg: I am running 0.19, but it has allways said that signal was 0% and S/N 4,7 db
[22:51:52] xris: Mersault: does mythburn require nuvexport?
[22:52:01] Agrajag-: cg: what does femon tell you?
[22:52:13] Mersault: I'm not sure, truthfully. I had nuvexport installed before mythburn....
[22:52:19] Mersault: I know it uses project-x as well
[22:52:37] xris: dunno, I don't use that kind of stuff. burning crappy tv to dvd seems like a waste of a dvd to me
[22:52:40] jonK_: I'm hoping someone has a moment to help me with some changes to the frontend ui. After a fresh build, the transition from the main menu screen to the "watch reccordings" screen takes nearly 30 seconds. As does the tranistion to the list of recordings. Once this screen is active, everythign is fine.
[22:53:16] jonK_: Whatever was changed for the main menu screns has not been pushed down to the recording list. Any thoughts?
[22:53:29] xris: jonK_: svn?
[22:53:29] Mersault: xris: why would you bother recording crappy tv? I want to burn good tv to dvd :)
[22:53:30] Agrajag-: jonK_: you shouldn't be using svn?
[22:53:31] cg: status 1f | signal 0047 | snr d69e | ber 000014e1 | unc 0000005c | FE_HAS_LOCK
[22:53:33] jonK_: yes
[22:53:43] jonK_: is there I ticket I need to read?
[22:53:46] xris: jonK_: opengl transitions are enabled by default for testing purposes
[22:53:54] Juski: cg: bad... unc > 0...
[22:53:56] Agrajag-: cg: i think that's a very low signal, not suprised you're getting jittery playback
[22:54:01] xris: turn on 3d acceleration or... (looking up disable command)
[22:54:11] jonK_: Same problem for the other frontend.
[22:54:24] xris: insert into settings (value,data,hostname) values ('UseOpenGLPainter', 0, 'myth'); (or whatever your hostname is)
[22:54:24] jonK_: execpt whole screen black for the first two screens.
[22:54:51] cg: Is there somthing i can do to get a better signal??
[22:54:59] Agrajag-: cg: here's mine, and my signal strength is only just good enough: status 1f | signal 5000 | snr 6200 | ber b7f5cff4 | unc 080488ca | FE_HAS_LOCK
[22:55:03] xris: Mersault: tv signal just isn't worth putting on dvd.. I encode to xvid and just watch them with the mythbox.
[22:55:15] Agrajag-: cg: fix your antenna?
[22:55:50] Mersault: xris: I have lots of dvd's. and this way, I can send them to friends who don't have a computer attached to their tv
[22:55:50] cg: for our normal television ther is no problem, is digital more sensitiv??
[22:55:59] xris: !search UseOpenGLPainter
[22:56:05] xris: jonK_: ^^^
[22:56:31] Agrajag-: cg: do you have a splitter or something?
[22:56:47] xris: Mersault: don't tell me about that kind of illegal activity.  ;)
[22:57:15] Mersault: heh
[22:57:17] cg: The signal is split out to 6 or 7 rooms, but there is an amplifier in the system to
[22:57:47] Juski: one amplifier? how many outputs does it have?
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[22:58:05] Juski: stricly speaking you should be using an amp output per TV or tuner card
[22:58:42] cg: we have 6 or 7 outputs, the amplifier i placed before the splitter
[22:59:33] Juski: no wonder your signal is low
[22:59:52] Juski: with every split you loose 3dB – it halves the signal (or worse)
[23:00:11] cg: It's a profesionel who have mad the system
[23:00:22] Juski: so-called professional, by the sound of it
[23:00:30] Juski: unless the amp is like 20dB
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[23:01:36] Juski: first thing would be to check the cabling to your DVB tuner
[23:01:49] Juski: and then everything before that
[23:02:07] ** xris wishes he could get dvb... **
[23:02:09] Juski: even to the point of unplugging everything except the DVB card
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[23:03:05] cg: I've changed the cabel from my wall-plug to the dvb card, and that funktioned for about 20 days,but now i am bak with jittery signal
[23:03:34] Juski: is the socket on the DVB card loose? sometimes they lose their springiness
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[23:05:18] Juski: that's where the americans etc have it right... they use F connectors for aerial connections
[23:05:39] Juski: better than them shitty Belling-Lee coax things we have in Europe
[23:05:56] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: At least we do something right, eh?
[23:06:13] Juski: probably by accident though ;-)
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[23:08:53] stuarta: at least the used those for dvb-s
[23:09:00] stuarta: s/the/they
[23:09:05] Juski: true
[23:09:25] Juski: actually the USA still have 300 ohm feeders... LOL
[23:09:50] cg: i've tried to skuize the plug on my card, but that did not help
[23:10:06] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: dvb-s = Sattelite, right? You guys are lucky — I can't do sattelite with a PC card.
[23:10:43] stuarta: huh, there are lots of cards. Are you missing the satellites?
[23:11:22] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: I've got 3 Dish Network receivers feeding into a PVR-500 and PVR-250 via s-video.
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[23:11:32] Juski: they're missing unencrypted – or sensibly encrypted stuff
[23:13:17] xris: J-e-f-f-A: I even bought a dvb-s card to do the FTA stuff on dish's satellites, but their hardware is incompatible
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[23:13:39] J-e-f-f-A: I have an HD3000 for over-the-air HD — I get 22 channels, of which 4 are spanish, so I have 18 'usable' channels without a rotor on the antenna. I could probably get 5–10 more with a rotor...
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[23:13:48] xris: Juski: it's more than just the encryption. can't even get the FREE stuff without my own dish/lnb
[23:14:03] stuarta: xris: you need to talk to greyfoxx, he got at least the eit data working.
[23:14:21] xris: stuarta: I know. he's too busy with his new job at the moment to sit down with me to show me how.
[23:14:37] xris: but honestly, I'm pretty sure that it's a hardware compatibility issue.. I can't even get a channel scan.
[23:14:58] stuarta: from memory it's a bit of a hack. 1 dvb-s card for eit, one pvr to grab the recordings...
[23:15:03] Juski: plenty people can't scan DVB stuff, so you're not alone there
[23:15:15] ** stuarta knows this too well.... **
[23:15:41] J-e-f-f-A: xris: So there is 'some' hope for DVB-S and Dish Network functionality in the future? (maybe?)
[23:15:48] xris: J-e-f-f-A: no
[23:15:59] xris: second dish, your own LNB, then you can get the FTA stuff
[23:16:13] J-e-f-f-A: :-(
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[23:17:21] xris: so we're stuck with svideo.
[23:17:27] xris: which isn't bad, but is far from great.
[23:17:42] xris: ALMOST worth getting cable to get the firewire plug
[23:18:07] Juski: if only cable & satellite companies were less greedy
[23:18:22] xris: pretty much
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[23:18:43] stuarta: I just want to test out the shared dish system at my GF's new place...
[23:19:08] xris: I'm happy to continue paying my fees (and would even if I knew how to hack the signal)... just want some way to get it into my computer for easy time shifting.
[23:19:09] jonK_: xris serach for UseOpenGLPainter where?
[23:19:18] xris: jonK_: type that command
[23:19:25] J-e-f-f-A: The other nice thing about the 'raw' dish signal is it's size — it's 544x480 and is only 1GB/hr.
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[23:19:42] xris: J-e-f-f-A: didn't know that.
[23:20:13] xris: jonK_: or do that db insert to disable it for a specific host.
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[23:20:43] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Yeah, I started out (and still am) a Dishplayer 7200 user — it's one of the first 'pvr' units for dish. By taking the HD out and using 'dishrip
[23:20:59] J-e-f-f-A: ', you get the 'raw' mpeg video. only 1GB/hr.
[23:20:59] Juski: 544x480? bleuch!
[23:21:27] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: You'd never know it — even scaled to 1024x768 I can't see the resolution.
[23:21:30] stuarta: Juski: we still get those here...
[23:21:36] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: and I'm very,very picky.
[23:22:01] Juski: yeh stuarta: on e4 and more4... they look like shit... specially The Daily Show
[23:22:03] xris: J-e-f-f-A: interesting... can't justify spending that much money on a tv thing. heh.
[23:22:04] stuarta: or is that 576x544 I'm thinking of....
[23:22:13] J-e-f-f-A: That's the native resolution of Dish network... (544x480) – some PPV is 640x480, but 99% is 544x480.
[23:23:06] J-e-f-f-A: (and of course, the HD channels are HD, but I don't have them yet...)
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[23:24:20] Juski: 544x576 for more4 & others... detail here: http://www.aums30.dsl.pipex.com/home.htm
[23:25:03] Mersault: how can I go about address this issue with project x: commons-net library not accessible! I'm using the most recent version of project x, on ubuntu breezy. I have installed libcommons-net, so i don't know why the hell it's still complaining
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[23:32:57] xris: fyi, in support of J-e-f-f-A, ntsc broadcast resolution is 528x480...
[23:33:01] stuarta: I vote that if we must keep shopping channels, they be limited to 320x200
[23:33:14] xris: and the analog signal kills the hope of that being very good
[23:33:24] Juski: I vote they be limited to 32x20
[23:33:31] stuarta: 1x1?
[23:33:37] Juski: 0x0 ? :-D
[23:33:42] stuarta: :)
[23:33:43] xris: I just remove them from my lineup.. along with all of the sports channels
[23:33:46] J-e-f-f-A: sturta: Yeah, I deleted them from the listings...
[23:34:07] stuarta: I just hide them, can't be bothered removing them..
[23:34:31] Juski: hidden here, since I thought they'd just get added automagically again
[23:34:49] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, that's what I meant.
[23:34:52] Juski: but now I know they won't.. can't be arsed to delete em
[23:35:11] stuarta: hmm, think I might may e4+1 a higher priority than e4....
[23:35:13] kormoc: Juski, I think he means removed via the zap2it listing, so they won't come down the stream again.
[23:35:15] xris: Juski: I try to hide some channels, but they still get picked up by the recording schedules
[23:35:24] xris: and yes, what kormoc said
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[23:40:36] stuarta: i feel better now. e4 & more4 are now -1 priority to penalise their crap resolution...
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[23:54:58] atomjack: is there a way to turn off the annoying fade in/out effect when navigating menus that's new as of 0.19+ ?
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[23:56:26] Kelerion: morning all
[23:56:38] JasonX: Anyone know why updating the EPG has a much higher priority than tv playback. When on-air EPG comes through it causes stuttering of video (done sudo mythfrontend / realtime priority stuff)
[23:56:40] Juski: morning Kelerion
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[23:57:09] Juski: JasonX: you need the EIT patches if you're using DVB
[23:57:23] Juski: atomjack: yes – don't use SVN :-P
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[23:57:45] atomjack: i would avoid svn if bookmarking tv programs worked in 0.19 :(
[23:57:51] Juski: and if you _must_ use SVN, read mythtv-dev & mythtv-commits mailing lists
[23:58:04] Juski: bookmarking seems to be okay here
[23:58:04] Kelerion: Juski you were right.. got my second and 3rd cameras running through ZM today and they are all sharing the fps.. so need to put them through seperate cards
[23:58:18] ** Juski is relieved **
[23:58:22] akira2: what is 'transcoding'? is that converting the vid to a .mpg?
[23:58:41] Juski: akira2: it's converting any video format to another format

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