Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 23rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

anyway – time for bed

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Ste___:

anybody know why I should NOT be using the blackbird drivers for dvb?

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Ste___:

they default to blackbird in FC4..

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Ste___:

but it works better when I follow the instructions from here: http://www.netherwood.me.uk/mythtv/

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k-man:

would it be hard to insert an arbitrary movie file into the recently recorded list in mythtv?

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Juski:

k-man: why? just use mythvideo

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ip_goat_rodeo:

depends on your sql-fu I'd suspect

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k-man:

cos i'd like to set up a job to download a few video blogs daily/weekly and have them show up in the recorded shows list

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k-man:

so its basicaly an sql issue to do it you think?

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k-man:

would mythtv expect a particular format of video or will it play anything?

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Juski:

it'll play lots of different formats

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Juski:

are there any video blogs worth watching?

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k-man:

rocketboom

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k-man:

?

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k-man:

i liked the episodes that i saw

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k-man:

and they are only 3 minutes or so

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Juski:

I imagine it'd be quite easy to do

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k-man:

hmm... i might investigate

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Juski:

though the problem with putting the files as entries in the recordedprogram table would be that there'd be no seektable

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k-man:

it would be good to use some sort of rss reader and have a way to make the rss reader just insert the show straight into mythtv

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k-man:

oooh.... what's a seek table?

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Juski:

doing it with mythvideo would be better

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nasa:

Hi guys, anyone know (or can point to) anything about using mythtv in Korea? (for an english speaker)

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Juski:

a seek table helps mythtv seek through files

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Beirdo:

hence the name

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Juski:

so basically if you just stuff files into the recordedprograms list you'd have trouble ffwding & rewinding

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mchou:

Beirdo: hey, what svn version of myth are you using currently?

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Beirdo:

9440 I think

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mchou:

Beirdo: is that ok so far?

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Beirdo:

seems to be

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Beirdo:

won't run right on my AMD64 box last I looked

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Beirdo:

but I just don't care right now

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Beirdo:

and I've spent all of 0s debugging it

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mchou:

Beirdo: that's native a64 instructions, right?

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Juski:

jesus that rocketboom woman has a graaaaaaaaaaaaaaating voice

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Beirdo:

could be

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k-man:

Juski, can't you generate the seek table outside of mythtv?

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

mythcommflag --rebuild

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mchou:

Beirdo: I mean you arent using a 32 bit kernel on the a64 box, right?

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Juski:

k-man yes you can but the file would have to be in a compatible format

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Beirdo:

no, I'm using 64 bit

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mchou:

Beirdo: ok

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k-man:

you mean the video file would have to be seek table compatible?

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Juski:

k-man: I mean myth would have to be able to read thru the file – and I don't know how it'd go with wmv, mov or rm

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

i see

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Juski:

I still think mythvideo would be the best bet

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k-man:

Juski, i'm not convinced

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k-man:

hehe

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Juski:

make a category for each video blog download, download the video, scan the directory, then add the metadata

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k-man:

don't get me wrong, i love mythtv, but i don't see why i need to have 2 seperate interfaces for watching what is essentially just videos

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mchou:

I think I should have bought an a64 sempron exclusively for myth use......

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Juski:

well, the idea of combining the plugins into myth's core has been mooted more than once

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k-man:

i hate to complain about it as i have no time to donate to developing myself, but personaly, i'd like it if mythvideo and mythtv were the one interface

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Juski:

a common _player_ for all media files, not just video

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mchou:

bah, that'd be too complicated

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

i concur

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mchou:

might as well use mplayer then :)

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k-man:

with juski

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Beirdo:

Oh, Juski... thanks for paying for BBC :)

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Beirdo:

hehhe

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k-man:

like... wouldn't it be cool if you could play vidoe and listen to mp3s

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Juski:

no, just doing one thing at a time will do for me

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Juski:

no livetv, no PiP.. no fluff..

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k-man:

hehe

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Juski:

though some shows are best with the sound down.. 'Hollyoaks' for one.. nice eye candy, just STFU, whiny teens

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k-man:

i'd also like a way to group the newly recorded shows... like have a news section, a drama section and say a music section

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Juski:

Beirdo: my pleasure. I get my money's worth ;-)

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Beirdo:

I'm getting my money's worth too

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Juski:

I suggested channel grouping once but got shot down in flames

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Juski:

for those who just _have_ to have livetv, surfing through 150+ channels is no fun

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k-man:

on the mailing list i suggested some way of including rss torrent feeds and i nearly got blasted off the planet

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

and with good reason

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Juski:

yes, well torrents are very dual-purpose

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Juski:

mostly seen as evil, pirate stuff by the big media corps & legal eagles

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k-man:

look i agree

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k-man:

but what i objected to is the hostility of the response

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Juski:

gotta love the lusers ML eh ;-)

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mchou:

lol

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Juski:

some folks just lurve to flame

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mchou:

k-man: you object to the hostility of the response?

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Beirdo:

if you'd read the archives, you'd see that it's been dealt with several times before

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k-man:

and to be honest, i think torrents are here to stay

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k-man:

and i believe in the not too distant future mythtv will have to support them in some way

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mchou:

k-man: maybe. But what's your point?

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Beirdo:

bah

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mchou:

k-man: BS

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k-man:

Beirdo, yeah, fair enough, i should have checked that before i posted

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Beirdo:

mythtv doesn't HAVE to support shit

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Beirdo:

:)

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Juski:

now that legitimate sources of downloadable content are beginning to appear, maybe it'll come to mythtv in one form or another at some point

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mchou:

k-man: you're free to fork myth if you want :)

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k-man:

Juski, yes, thats what i'm trying to say

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Juski:

it'd have to be a whole lot more _respectable_ though

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k-man:

i just feel not discussing it is not really solving the problem and the impression i got is that your not even allowed to discuss it on the mailing list

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Beirdo:

yeah well. We'll have to see :)

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Juski:

I don't wanna lose my mythtv just cos some lout wanted free episodes of 'lost'

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mchou:

k-man: solving the "problem?"

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k-man:

Juski, i agree compleetly

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mchou:

k-man: what problem are you referring to?

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Beirdo:

and that's why it's very frowned on to discuss it here much past the generalities we are speaking in now

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Beirdo:

the world is watching us

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Juski:

the powers that be ( they know who they are)... get a lot of information by reading web content... and they're probably not too hot at getting the context right

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Beirdo:

bingo ;)

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Beirdo:

and this channel and the mailing list are both well indexed by google

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Juski:

or even going as far as ignoring it for their own devices

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Juski:

like the now infamous NYT article...

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Beirdo:

yup

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mchou:

Juski: better than comcast deleting "Six feet under" on customer's pvr boxes a wk b4 the dvd came out

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Beirdo:

and I'll go on record saying the MPAA and RIAA suck and can kiss my fat ass

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Juski:

to the uninitiated that would've looked like "hey, with mythtv I can get free cable"

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Juski:

mchou: ouch!

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mchou:

Juski: true story, no joke

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Juski:

fucking hell – that really is bad. I hope they took a lot of flak for that

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Beirdo:

oh, and comcast can line up to blow me too

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

this is a much more sensible discussion

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Beirdo:

but of course :)

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k-man:

anyway

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k-man:

i love mythtv

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k-man:

and i raise these issues because i love it

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k-man:

and just for the record, i'm very greatful to the devs for developing it

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

me too

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k-man:

well, i'm glad we are all in agreement about that ;)

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Juski:

was much heartened tonight watching paramount comedy to notice that the glitches I've seen in South Park of late aren't caused by ivtv... it's happenning on the live cable feed :-/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

NTL 'are aware of it' they reckon

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Beirdo:

yeah, some channels are fubar at times

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Juski:

problem in a playout block I think

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Juski:

there was a massive furore about hdtv sets not really being HD in our national press yesterday

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** Juski laughs heartily **

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Juski:

told you so, suckers!

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mchou:

Juski: http://www.eff.org/IP/DVB/dvb_critique.php

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mchou:

Juski: search for "six"

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mchou:

Juski: footnote 24.

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Juski:

omg

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Juski:

that really is eeeeevil

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** Juski holds his little finger to his chin **

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mchou:

maybe msft is doing us a favor by delaying vista :)

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Juski:

according to the EFF, DVB2 is going to have some kind of broadcast flag

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Beirdo:

Microsoft would do us all a favor by fucking off and dying

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mchou:

cause I sure as heck aint buying any (DRM) HW after vista comes out

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Juski:

at the risk of being shouted at for repeating myself.. I'm gonna _love_ to see M$ get into trouble again for being anti-competitive

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Juski:

"what? other pvr platforms are available? say it ain't so"

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mchou:

Juski: yeah, it's called CPCM :)

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Juski:

ah well, so long as we all have hardware that ignores that flag, it's happy happy all round

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mchou:

what I dont understand is MSFT is releasing Vista to enterprise customers earlier??

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mchou:

they think the enterprise version is more secure?

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mchou:

hehe

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mchou:

their "party line" makes zero sense

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MooingLemur:

so that the botnets that end up being created are on higher-speed connections? :P

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Juski:

Vista, schmista

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Juski:

oooooo.. glassy window tops... grrrrreat

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Juski:

suppose your PC will look nicer when it crashes

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hexoroid:

anybody got an idea can i do cat /dev/video > bleh.mpg and at the same time watch it with mplayer /dev/video0 ?

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Beirdo:

I seriously doubt it

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Anduin:

hexoroid – You can use mplayer to play bleh.mpg though.

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kormoc:

hexoroid, you can do cat /dev/video > bleh.mpg and mplayer bleh.mpg

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mchou:

no, but you can watch "mplayer bleh.mpg"

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hexoroid:

because i am recording from VCR

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hexoroid:

so i wouldnt know when to stop :-)

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hexoroid:

but i guess mplayer bleh.mpg would work fine

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Beirdo:

so use mythtv :)

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Anduin:

hexoroid – Why not worry about cutting when done?

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hexoroid:

Anduin what are the good cutting tools ?

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hexoroid:

for mpg ?

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Juski:

anything frame-accurate is difficult to do

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Anduin:

You just have to beat "do it by hand" which isn't hard.

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Juski:

usually involving re-rendering/encoding – same goes for fades etc

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Anduin:

One day mythtranscode will do it right reliably.

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Beirdo:

it does it pretty good right now

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CLucas916:

hey all

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CLucas916:

i just emerged mythtv

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adam613:

congrats

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CLucas916:

but now i need help setting up mysql, can someone help me

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adam613:

define "help" :)

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CLucas916:

tell me what to do :P

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adam613:

did you emerge it yet?

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CLucas916:

yup

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adam613:

k. did you happen to capture the yellow-astrisk stuff at the end of the emerge?

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CLucas916:

nope

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adam613:

ok. let me see if i can find what it said

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adam613:

what version of mysql?

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CLucas916:

dev-db/mysql-4.1.14

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adam613:

trythis:

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adam613:

ebuild /var/db/pkg/dev-db/mysql-4.1.14/mysql-4.1.14.ebuild config

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CLucas916:

adam613: failed

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CLucas916:

* MySQL DATADIR is /var/lib/mysql

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CLucas916:

* Previous datadir found, it's YOUR job to change

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CLucas916:

* ownership and have care of it

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adam613:

so maybe you already did that

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adam613:

try running mysql

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CLucas916:

oops

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CLucas916:

its already running

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CLucas916:

wait no its not...

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CLucas916:

lol

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adam613:

the init script starts the database

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CLucas916:

ya its not started

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adam613:

then you can use mysql to interact with it

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sneezer:

do /etc/init.d/mysql start

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adam613:

i think mythtv creates its own database

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sneezer:

you need to import it

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sneezer:

wait... i dont know about the ebuild version

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CLucas916:

k

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sneezer:

CLucas916 any luck?

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kormoc:

gentoo's ebuild still needs you to import the mc.sql like normal

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sneezer:

thats what I thought

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twisted_one:

hey guys, I am trying to use java-config to switch a user over to sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06 but something is not working correctly. After I do a java-config --set-user-vm sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06 it tells me I have to source it. According to the gentoo docs on java-config (http://gentooexperimental.org/svn/java/axxo-o . . . a-user.html) I no longer have to do that. java-config -L shows still shows the old version

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twisted_one:

though

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eidolon:

well, tonight i upgrade my knoppmyth installation to 0.19. ya'll think good thoughts for me :)

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mithro:

is there a windows frontend these days? or am I better installing a small linux distro with mythfrontend?

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mithro:

(or using knoppixmyth

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eidolon:

last tiem i tried to get mythfrontend running on windows, i went down an ever increasing spiral of death, mayhem, dependencies, and reboots. In the end i remained a mere shell of my former self.

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eidolon:

and still didn't have it running.

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's being worked on unofficially by a few people on the -dev list, been stagnant for a while, but been a little activity on the mailing list in the past week or two.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, -users list

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J-e-f-f-A:

bhohnson: You can use MythWeb to schedule stuff, and properly setup to view too, but not as flexible as a fully-functional frontend.

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Captain_Murdoch:

at least I think it was -users. :) can't remember now which one.

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J-e-f-f-A:

bjohnson: WinMyth currently crashes on my XP box — it generates an exception...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(oops, just realized I speelled your handle wrong in the first reply... sorry)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've even got my system setup with 'mythstreamtv' to stream over the web... Awesome stuff!

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iMx:

cool....didnt know about mythstreamtv :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, it's not an 'offical' plugin, and it hasn't been fully updated for .19, so you have to do a little 'extra' setup to get it working perfect, but it's worth the time & effort. (Just like setting up a MythTV system in the first place...)

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iMx:

im sure there must be a deb floating around somewher E:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/

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iMx:

yeah looking now ta ;)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: and no one has ever contacted me about making it official

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iMx:

such a class idea, make shifts fly by!

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Hello! Nice to meet you! I love this thing... Thanks!

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CLucas916:

sneezer: no im not

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Captain_Murdoch:

I haven't used it, but last time I checked, it had way too many dependencies to be official. is it any easier to install now?

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bmk789:

Jasper: where art thou?

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iMx:

could do with an update as well :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm pretty new to Linux, and it wasn't that bad. Actually it was very easy with .18, and only a few things to work out with .19

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iMx:

last release was 01 2005

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DirectQL:

hey

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mithro:

does running knoppmyth from cd remeber settings over reboot?

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DirectQL:

i installed the latest mythtv from aptrpms.net

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iMx:

depends if it writes them anywhere :p

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DirectQL:

and mythweb doesn't work

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DirectQL:

does anyone know about this?

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DirectQL:

seems like something is missing

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iMx:

a friend of mine built a myth box in like 3–4 hours on ubuntu, prebuilt packages for everything....pissed me off a treat :)

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kormoc:

DirectQL, you need to be more verbrose

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DirectQL:

well, there used to be a lot more .php pages

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: Did you upgrade? If so, there's significant changes to MythWeb — check out the README for what's changed and what you need to do.

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DirectQL:

now there is only one

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DirectQL:

yes, I did

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kormoc:

DirectQL, it's like going to a doctor and saying something hurts.

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J-e-f-f-A:

They're in directories now.

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DirectQL:

the only thing i saw I had to do is modify httpd.conf

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DirectQL:

well, yes, but what if I don't know what hurts

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DirectQL:

here

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DirectQL:

after the upgrade I go to the mythweb url

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DirectQL:

and I get just the dir listings

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kormoc:

DirectQL, there is only one file now, and you need to read the readme for the other stuff you need to change

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DirectQL:

there is no index.php

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DirectQL:

ok

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DirectQL:

mythweb.php?

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kormoc:

yes, that's the only file in the root directory now

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DirectQL:

i see

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DirectQL:

ok, I just thought someone goofed while reacing the rpm

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DirectQL:

let me go back and re-read the readme

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DirectQL:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

You should only have to go to http://yourmythbox/mythweb now

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DirectQL:

right

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, he needs to edit the .htaccess and likely add the allow overrides before that will work

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DirectQL:

that is what I did

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DirectQL:

ya, i did that

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DirectQL:

but not to mythweb

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DirectQL:

but to /

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kormoc:

they don't propergate up iirc

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DirectQL:

hah

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DirectQL:

i see

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DirectQL:

wrong Directory

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DirectQL:

heh

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DirectQL:

thanks guys

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xris:

and.....

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xris:

oops, stupid scroll bar

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

nice one

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xris:

yeah... replying to a 10-minute-old conversation is a little silly

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DirectQL:

i am curious, can I watch live TV on windows computers using mythtv?

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xris:

DirectQL: not really

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DirectQL:

i just looked at mythtv window filters page

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DirectQL:

and they mentioned something about watching live tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

I remember seeing something along those lines, but I think it's only possible to view an existing livetv ringbuffer. There aren't any tuning controls in mythweb.

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J-e-f-f-A:

But you could just start the program you want recording, then watch the recording itself and delete it when you're done...

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DirectQL:

yeah, but the problem is

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DirectQL:

when you start watching the program

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DirectQL:

windows media player opens up the video that ends in a certain time

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DirectQL:

if you reach that time, that's it for the video

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eidolon:

yeeeikes. the knoppmyth upgrade cd doesn't really upgrade. it basically spanks the entire root drive and reinstalls.

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** eidolon takes a moment to back up the home dir. **

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AngryElf:

hey all, when i goto create mc.sql, I get No such file or directory

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DirectQL:

man, new mythweb is sllllooooowww

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iMx:

yeah thats what i noticed first :)

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iMx:

http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/cnt.php?f . . . streamtv.tar <-- appears to be a patched version for new mythweb

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iMx:

http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

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DirectQL:

hah

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DirectQL:

i am right

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DirectQL:

dsmyth is capable of doing livetv now

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DirectQL:

it's just not implemented anywhere

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: My system was a bit slow too until i optimised the MySQL database.

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DirectQL:

i optimized it some time ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

(but that's what happens when you run for 2 months without doing that, and have 700GB of programs...)

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DirectQL:

i noticed it's only slow when I go to recorded programs

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DirectQL:

ohh wow

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DirectQL:

there is even a patch for mythweb to add the watch now button

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J-e-f-f-A:

It depends how many programs you have too --- I've got 242 now and it was real slow until I optimised the database.

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J-e-f-f-A:

patch for 'watch now' — cool — I've added a 'Stream this program' button that kicks off the mythstreamtv module...

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J-e-f-f-A:

And if I click on the thumbnail, it streams without transcoding to my wintel box...

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DirectQL:

hmmm

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DirectQL:

where did you add that?

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DirectQL:

looks like the patch is for old mythweb

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DirectQL:

this new one is different

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J-e-f-f-A:

I put it under the title and subtitle. I don't know how to create a 'patch' file yet — I just edited my own .php pages to add it.

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DirectQL:

yeah

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DirectQL:

but which file

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: BTW – with my 242 programs and sql optimized, it takes about 10 seconds to pull up my recorded programs page, with the thumnails filling in after that.

[03:01:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

(which file) — let me look...

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DirectQL:

wow

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DirectQL:

that's long

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DirectQL:

list.php?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, my backend is only a dual PIII 866 w/512ram, PVR 250, PVR500, HD3000 + 760GB video LVM. So I think that's pretty good considering it's only got 512mb ram...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think the file was recorded.php — one sec. checking.

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DirectQL:

yeah, simmilar to my mouse

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DirectQL:

minus the huge storage and extra cpu

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DirectQL:

althrough mine is 2 ghz

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: Yes – recorded.php — the one in the themes directory. So if you modified one, then switched themes, you'd have to modify that one too...

[03:06:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

I was running an Athlon XP 1800+ before building this one — it didn't seem as fast. I think the multiple cpus help alot...

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J-e-f-f-A:

btw: I got the machine for free from work from upgrades — it was actually two different 'dual-processor capable' systems with a single cpu each. They were both the same CPU (same stepping, country, etc), so I bought the voltage regulator for the 2nd cpu and it works great...

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only drawback is that is uses rambus ram, and that's hard to come by now, or at least for reasonable prices!!! That's why I've only got 512mb right now...

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

trying to use standard xvmc with mythtv

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Ediehow:

and i get probs

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DirectQL:

i don't think you need that much power

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DirectQL:

if you look at the performance stats

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DirectQL:

you shouldn't be using too much cpu for recording

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DirectQL:

the tv tunerboard does the encoding

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DirectQL:

so what's left over is the i/o

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DirectQL:

i don't understand why exacly the recorded page takes so long

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I know. My system's load average is: 1min – 1.38 – 5min 1.09 – 15min 0.82 — and it's currently flagging commercials on a program...

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DirectQL:

ohh, right

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's got alot of data to pull together. The more programs, the longer it takes.

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DirectQL:

but you know

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DirectQL:

i have no use for it

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DirectQL:

i use mythweb

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DirectQL:

that's about it

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DirectQL:

and the commercial flagging doesn't do anything for me

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DirectQL:

i still see em

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J-e-f-f-A:

I hear ya. I flag them for the two 'real' frontends I have in the house now.

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DirectQL:

yeah

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DirectQL:

i wish there was one for windows

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DirectQL:

(one that works)

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J-e-f-f-A:

And I want to setup DVD burning so my wife can just put in a blank DVD and select a few programs and have a pure-digital dvd copy in 20–30 mins instead of 'real-time' recording to the set-top dvd recorder...

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DirectQL:

that shouldn't be too hard

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm also dabbling with a "Pinnacle ShowCenter 1000g" I picked up on clearance for $162. It works ok, but it's not a frontend, just a media player. So I've got to look at the 'contrib' stuff to figure out how to create symbolic links with the program name to the myth .mpg recording.

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DirectQL:

where can i find myth logs?

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UBL:

J-e-f-f-A, you can probably make a small shell script and run it as a job in mythtv

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DirectQL:

looks like now it's not recording anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

ubl: yeah, I was thinking of just creating a shell script and kicking it off with a cron job. But I think your idea makes more sense now that I think about it. It would be 'real time' creation of the symbolic link... Yeah, I like that better.

[03:20:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'd still need to do the 'initial' creation with a script...

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: not recording anything? I only saw that when I tried to add a PVR150 to my PVR500/HD3000 setup. I guess the drivers conflicted, because it gave me all sorts of headaches.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I ripped out the 150, put in my 250, and haven't looked back since. Everything is working great.

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AngryElf:

fill in the blank http://___.zap2it.com, to update channel listings, thanx

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J-e-f-f-A:

UBL: Would I just set that up as a 'user' job, or is there a way to setup a script to be executed for -every- recording?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: Not sure where the logs are on disc, but there's a 'Backend Logs' link in mythweb.

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J-e-f-f-A:

DirectQL: Also, as far as the recorded programs page taking a while – did you increase the cache in mysql? That helped quite a bit with my system.

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** NightMonkey hopes PVR-350 support won't be dropped from Myth :) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: Just curious why you think it would? Maybe you're referring to the 350 output, not the input?

[03:41:24]

netrix:

i just upgraded to ivtv 0.4.3 today from 0.4.0 and now mythfrontend doesn't work.

[03:41:27]

netrix:

on the front end when i go to watch tv i get "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" many times and then "remote encoder not responding."

[03:41:33]

netrix:

watching recorded shows works fine.

[03:41:34]

netrix:

any ideas?

[03:41:44]

kormoc:

netrix, downgrade ivtv

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Beirdo:

go back to 0.4.0?

[03:41:48]

netrix:

grr.

[03:41:58]

netrix:

kormoc: have you seen this problem before?

[03:42:07]

netrix:

or heard of it ...

[03:42:21]

netrix:

and if so what version do you guys recommend if any?

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Beirdo:

the one that worked for you before

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J-e-f-f-A:

fwiw: I'm running a PVR-500 and PVR-250 happily with ivtv 0.4.2

[03:43:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

(on FC4)

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kormoc:

netrix, why don't you like 0.4.0?

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netrix:

kormoc: not to say i don't like it. wanted to see if going to 0.4.3 would resolve some problems i've been having trying to get a bttv card and pvr 500 going in the same system

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netrix:

but it doesn't, the bttv module doesn't like the ivtv tveeprom module

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netrix:

okay, i am going to take one step back to 0.4.2 i guess

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J-e-f-f-A:

netrix: I don't have a BTTV card, but I've got a PVR-500, PVR-250 and HD3000 all getting along well with ivtv 0.4.2 (not 0.4.3 — I'll steer clear of that for now)

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netrix:

J-e-f-f-A: i'll take that as a testimonial for 0.4.2 and the pvr 500 and give it a whirl then. thx.

[03:46:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

kewl. Hopefully it works with your BBTV card.

[03:46:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

(oops.. bttv... close!)

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netrix:

J-e-f-f-A: i am crossing my fingers. the bttv card i got is pretty nice and i want to use it with zonealarm on the same system.

[03:47:06]

witless:

mythtv also provides a music library?

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netrix:

note shameless plug for zone alarm. =)

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J-e-f-f-A:

witless: yes.

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/745 <- Yes, I use the PVR-350 output...

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witless:

are there any mythtv-for-lazy-people setups that list exact hardware and provide prebuilt software for that hardware?

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: I used it for a couple of days, but now all the 'tvs' in my house are computer monitors. Even the 37" in the living room... (Work upgraded to 50" lcds and I got two 37" crt's free!)

[03:49:48]

Ediehow:

i can't change channels after upgrade to 2.6.16 i think

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Ediehow:

tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: Good for you. :)

[03:50:09]

Beirdo:

OK, hint to all:

[03:50:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: Sorry – not trying to rub it in. sorry if it sounded like that.

[03:50:23]

Beirdo:

if you upgrade something, and stuff stops working....

[03:50:28]

Beirdo:

DOWNGRADE!

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Ediehow:

Beirdo: HELLO?

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: No worries.

[03:50:34]

Beirdo:

go back to what worked

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Ediehow:

beirdo new kernels have new module options

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Ediehow:

obviously there's a new one

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Ediehow:

that's why i was asking

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Ediehow:

cx25840 1–0044: 0x0000 is not a valid video input!

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Ediehow:

not sure if that's related

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J-e-f-f-A:

witless: It really depends on what you want to do. A single frontend/backend system? How many tuners? Etc. Jarod's got some good example systems in his guide on wilsonet dot ...

[03:52:25]

Beirdo:

Ediehow, did it work in the older kernel?

[03:52:38]

Ediehow:

i am not sure that's why the channels are not changing

[03:52:46]

Ediehow:

cuz i thought they changed last night despite same error

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Ediehow:

after 2.6.16

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Ediehow:

ivtv-tune -c 50

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Ediehow:

/dev/video0: 379.250 MHz (Signal Detected)

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Ediehow:

that doesn't work either

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Beirdo:

then maybe ivtv doesn't work with 2.6.16

[03:53:37]

Beirdo:

use an older kernel :)

[03:53:37]

Ediehow:

i'm watching tv

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witless:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks – i don't think i need a lot of capabilities, but i'd like very good sound/video quality, including for my music collection. no electronic interference, good frequency response, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

witless: If you use hardware encoders, you don't need much of a CPU. You can probably run a combined frontend/backend on a PIII 600 with a Hauppauge PVR-150,250 or 500.

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J-e-f-f-A:

The key is to do as much in hardware as you can — so if your video card supports mpeg decoding, that's even better!

[03:59:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Where you need big horsepower is decoding HDTV recordings.

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witless:

is that something that can be done in hardware?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, my current frontends have nvidia cards which play back SDTV fine, but if I try to play back HDTV it must be beyond the capabilities of the hardware decoder, because it can't keep up...

[04:01:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Q for the list — Is there a video card that's got hardware HDTV mpeg decoding built-in that works with myth? Maybe the latest nvidia boards?

[04:01:41]

SadaraX:

Hello, I have a question about a page on the mythtv wiki, may I ask it here?

[04:01:48]

AngryElf:

hey all, when I go to watch any video from within mythfrontend, it completely locks up

[04:02:34]

AngryElf:

i can't alt-tab out, there's nothing in mythbackend.log about it

[04:02:49]

AngryElf:

i can ssh into the box, but i can't find any info about it........i can't kill mythfrontend either

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AngryElf:

well, i can kill it, but it doesn't fix the problem of the box being locked up

[04:03:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf: Maybe it's an mplayer thing? mplayer hangs on me from time to time, and I have to kill it.

[04:03:52]

AngryElf:

killall mplayer said it's not running

[04:04:10]

AngryElf:

besides, in 0.18 mplayer wans't used to play recordings......did that change in .19?

[04:04:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

:-/ Humm.... It's used on my boxes.... (well, let me check, it was for my boxes on .18, let me check .19)

[04:04:58]

AngryElf:

either way, it's not running and everything's still locked

[04:05:14]

SadaraX:

I'm considering buying an ATI TV-Wonder card, which the MythTV wiki says its supported. But under the notes section, is says "discontinued", what does that mean?

[04:05:21]

SadaraX:

Wiki page here: http://www.mythtv.info/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

[04:05:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, mplayer has never been used to play MythTV recordings. It is used by mythvideo to play other files if you set it up that way, but Myth has its own internal player.

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AngryElf:

how do i save the output of mythfrontend -v if my comp keeps locking up?

[04:07:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

do you have more than one computer?

[04:07:38]

AngryElf:

yea

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J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: Really? That's strange — my "Default Player" in the video setup is set to "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s", and I don't recall changing it...

[04:07:47]

AngryElf:

J-e-f-f-A, video setup isn't TV setup

[04:08:05]

AngryElf:

video setup is for playing back other videos you have, not TV recordings

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Captain_Murdoch:

then ssh in and run it from the shell. "DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend -v all" and see where it dies at.

[04:08:32]

AngryElf:

it dies when i start to watch a recording

[04:08:50]

AngryElf:

so i need the GUI to get it to crash

[04:08:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

AngryElf — Sorry — my bad — I somehow thought you were asking about the mythvideo.. oops... time for bed me thinks...

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Captain_Murdoch:

oddly enough, Myth has more than one line of code to play recordings, so it might help to know what part of "starting to watch a recording" it was on when it died. :)

[04:09:32]

AngryElf:

watch tv, selecting from the recordings menu

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you use "DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend -v all", then it will display on your frontend, but the logs will be visible by you in your ssh session.

[04:10:27]

AngryElf:

yea, i see that now :)

[04:11:13]

AngryElf:

trying it...

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you run mythfrontend with the "-v all" option, it will spit out tons of information that may tell you where it is dying. :)

[04:12:50]

AngryElf:

err ok

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AngryElf:

it's repeating 2 lines over and over again....

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AngryElf:

"audio waiting for space on soundcard"

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AngryElf:

and "broadcasting free space available"

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Beirdo:

good to see Captain_Murdoch around :)

[04:13:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

:) been really busy lately (as usual)

[04:13:38]

Beirdo:

I hear ya

[04:14:14]

SadaraX:

On the mythtv wiki page here: http://www.mythtv.info/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card, it says in the notes section that ATI TV-Wonder is "discontinued", what does that mean?

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Captain_Murdoch:

means they don't make it anymore

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SadaraX:

oh, thanks

[04:17:08]

SadaraX:

I wondered it meant the support had somehow been discontinued

[04:17:16]

SadaraX:

oh well, can anyone recommend a good card with high quality capturing?

[04:17:24]

SadaraX:

I'm looking to capture into something lossless, not mpeg

[04:17:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

so you have petabytes of storage? if not then just about anything realtime is lossless.

[04:17:43]

SadaraX:

well, it does not have to be huffyuv, but mpeg2 is just not cutting it

[04:17:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

SandraX: And what is your source? Even digital TV is mpeg...

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Captain_Murdoch:

then your bitrate isn't high enough.

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SadaraX:

My bitrate is 9000kbps, its maxed for my current recording program (not MythTV)

[04:18:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

then you've got other issues. that's DVD quality

[04:18:41]

SadaraX:

My source is regular cable, not HDTV, but I can see the artifacts and chunking in the mpeg2 video

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J-e-f-f-A:

SandraX: I think it's your card. Try a Hauppauge PVR card... 250, 350, 150, 500... all hardware encoding, and even at 400x480 looks fantastic.

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SadaraX:

err, did that make sense?

[04:19:22]

kormoc:

SadaraX, the pvr 150 is really good quality encoding

[04:19:23]

Daedalus_:

I just upgraded to 0.19.20060121–2 and now when I go to the frontend, I only see two things that I had previously recorded. (i have a mysqldb backup, and have tried restoring that. All the nuv files are still there too....)

[04:19:29]

Daedalus_:

Anyone have any ideas?

[04:19:31]

kormoc:

and frame grabber cards have low quality overall

[04:19:38]

kormoc:

SadaraX, what's your current card?

[04:19:48]

Beirdo:

stupid linode went into a swap shit-fest

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J-e-f-f-A:

so it's probably the software encoder, or the framegrabber itself isn't that good.

[04:19:53]

SadaraX:

kormoc, you will laugh, but an ATI All in Wonder Radeon

[04:20:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

That's your problem... :-/

[04:20:19]

SadaraX:

J-e-f-f-A, makes sense, the card is kind of old (but still kicking)

[04:20:42]

SadaraX:

that's the whole reason I am updating and hoping for a new format, though I will give mpeg2 another try with a new card

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't think you'll be dissapointed with a Hauppauge PVR-150, 250, 350 or 500... (500 is a dual-tuner/encoder 150 on one card)

[04:21:40]

Daedalus_:

J-e-f-f-A: My 500 works like a champ

[04:22:15]

witless:

what about this hd 3000 card? is that used in addition to (eg) a PVR-350?

[04:22:17]

SadaraX:

any reason I would need a 500 over something else? I don't quite understand the dual-tuner/encoder

[04:22:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

SadaraX: you should look at some of the sample videos on the net from the Hauppauge cards, the quality is very good if you set it up correctly. Most people use half the bitrate you're using or less.

[04:22:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Mine too! It didn't like the 150 I tried to dump in there a month ago, so I ripped out the 150 and put in my 250 that was in my 'old' backend.

[04:22:55]

Daedalus_:

SandraX: having a dual card enables you to record two programs at once.

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J-e-f-f-A:

SandraX: The 500 is simply two PVR-150's on one card. So you get two tuners with just one PCI slot.

[04:23:10]

kormoc:

SadaraX, https://kormoc.homelinux.org/pvr150.png

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kormoc:

SadaraX, that's a pvr recording, reencoded into xvid, so that's after two encoding passes

[04:23:36]

SadaraX:

kormoc, that's nice. too bad the aspect ration is off :)

[04:23:56]

SadaraX:

*aspect ratio

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kormoc:

SadaraX, heh, but it gives you a idea of the quality of the pvr 150 :)

[04:24:03]

SadaraX:

indeed

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Daedalus_:

On a totally different note, has anyone had any difficulty upgrading their mythbox? I just did and now my frontend doesn't seem to see a bunch of the stuff I have recorded

[04:25:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

Daedalus_: have you checked to make sure you're in the right recording group? Try changing to "all programs" and see if they're all there.

[04:25:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Daedalus_: Sorry, I had a few issues, but not with 'missing' recordings...

[04:25:44]

kormoc:

SadaraX, also, it does depends on how clean your input signal is as well. If that's bad, it's much harder to get nice recordings.

[04:25:45]

witless:

are two 350's better than a 500?

[04:25:52]

kormoc:

witless, not at all

[04:26:03]

kormoc:

witless, the 350 is only good if you want to do hardware mpeg2 tv out

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witless:

ok

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kormoc:

witless, so only one is really useful

[04:26:15]

witless:

wouldn't you want to?

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Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: changing?

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kormoc:

witless, nvidia cards give you hardware mpeg2 out and better decoding of other video formats, as well as nice opengl performance

[04:26:46]

Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: selecting 'all programs' shows me two programs...

[04:26:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

witless: If outputting to a TV, probably. It produces excellent interlaced output. Probably the best...

[04:27:08]

kormoc:

witless, also, a 150+nvidia card is about the same price as a 350, and higher performance

[04:27:18]

Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: unless there's some other bizzarre method of changing the group

[04:27:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, just via the MENU key

[04:28:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you know SQL, you can try something like "select chanid, starttime, title from recorded;" to see how many that shows, but they should all be there. upgrading shouldn't get rid of anything.

[04:28:28]

witless:

if you had two soundcards could you play music and watch tv at the same time?

[04:29:08]

witless:

so i could use an on-board sound chip for tv/video, and a high-end audio card for the music collection?

[04:29:14]

kormoc:

witless, sure, or you can use one with hardware mixing (sound blaster live 16 bit) and do both on one sound card

[04:30:07]

witless:

actually i'd want two separate outs (one going to audio system)

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Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: what's the menu key (on the keyboard?)

[04:30:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

M by default

[04:30:47]

Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: I tried the sql, and it returned all the stuff I should have recorded.

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Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: The two things it's listing happen to be action/horror movies (Blade & Blade2) so if I've managed to select a genre or somethign...

[04:31:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

so use "M" to get to the menu and you can checkout your display filters settings

[04:33:39]

SadaraX:

kormoc, would you recommend a 150, 250, or 350? Or some combination?

[04:33:43]

Daedalus_:

Captain_Murdoch: Aha! Didn't know about that feature. Very much obliged. Looks like everything is there. Thanks!

[04:34:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

yw, it's a nice feature, lets you keep stuff separated if you want.

[04:34:33]

kormoc:

SadaraX, the 150 is the newest and considered the best image quality. the 500 is dual 150's on a single card. If you're doing analog cable, and you think you might want to get two shows at once, grab a 500, else a 150, imho.

[04:35:29]

SadaraX:

kormoc, well i only need one show at a time, and there is a significant price difference, even between just the 250 & 350 and the 150

[04:35:54]

kormoc:

SadaraX, the 150 is a new version of the 250, and cheaper then the 250

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SadaraX:

lol

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kormoc:

SadaraX, the 350 is a 250 with a hardware mpeg2 decoder

[04:36:11]

SadaraX:

thanks, you probably saved by $75 there

[04:36:21]

kormoc:

no problems :)

[04:36:29]

SadaraX:

off to newegg!

[04:36:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

once you have 1 tuner, you'll wish you had more. :) I have 5 (3 M179 using ivtv and 2 air2pc HD cards)

[04:37:03]

kormoc:

christ! :P

[04:37:07]

witless:

wow

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AngryElf:

so, what does that mean "audio waiting for space on soundcard" ???

[04:37:17]

witless:

all i do is record c-span and conan obrien :-)

[04:37:26]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, how do you find the time to watch all that? :P

[04:37:37]

kormoc:

AngryElf, you might want to play with your audio buffer settings

[04:37:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

I concur! I have 3 fed by Dish Network receivers, and an HD3000 for over-the-air HD. (Now I just need a frontend fast enough to play the HDTV recordings!)

[04:38:01]

AngryElf:

kormoc, ? :(

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SadaraX:

Captain_Murdoch, I tend to record shows and archive them. I have 300 gb of raw mpeg2 that i have not watched yet. Its like 4 shows 50 episodes each

[04:38:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's not a lot, but on certain nights we have 3 things recording at the same time. I'm starting to cutover to the HD cards more so I'll get 2 HD and one analog SD show.

[04:38:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm watching shows from last December now sometimes. Have maxepisodes set on some, but not on shows we keep up to date on (meaning only 1–2 weeks behind)

[04:39:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormac: I have the same problem... 300+ shows that I haven't seen... It gets really addictive to setup everything you might want to watch to record... I end up deleting about 2/3 of it without actually watching it.

[04:39:42]

SadaraX:

I'm looking at newegg's Hauppauge 150 options, and I see three options before me, with about a $25 difference between them.

[04:39:51]

SadaraX:

#1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620

[04:39:58]

SadaraX:

#2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625

[04:40:07]

SadaraX:

#3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116631

[04:40:18]

SadaraX:

Anyone have any idea which is the better deal?

[04:40:25]

mchou:

damn, just noticed this dvd I borrowed from the library says "full screen" on it

[04:40:33]

mchou:

that sucks big time

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kormoc:

SadaraX, MCE doesn't come with a remote, but has a radio tuner (that myth doesn't support)

[04:41:19]

SadaraX:

I see

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kormoc:

SadaraX, between #1 and #3, #3 is a newer revision, but that doesn't always mean it's better or worse. I don't know. It might be worthwhile to ask the ivtv list

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Daedalus_:

SadaraX: That's the 62$ one. The #3 one does have the remote.

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

SadaraX, I'd get the $62 one if I was you then

[04:42:30]

SadaraX:

Oh, the remote's the only difference?

[04:42:47]

SadaraX:

kormoc, Daedalus_, I'm thinking the $62 is the better idea

[04:42:55]

SadaraX:

thanks very very much for the info

[04:43:20]

SadaraX:

you too J-e-f-f-A and Captain_Murdoch

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Daedalus_:

SadaraX: maybe. Check around. They sometimes drop the hardware encoder off the board to lower the price, but it puts a big load on your system.

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kormoc:

no problems, glad I could help

[04:43:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

yep. me too.

[04:44:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Time to get some Zzzz's .... Goodnight all...

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SadaraX:

Daedalus_, the hardware encoding is not really a big thing for me, I am happy with MythTV just grabbing the video itself on a software level (unless there is a major quality difference)

[04:45:04]

SadaraX:

the system load is not a problem, I have a seperate station setup for it (1.2 GHz thunderbird, 512 MB ram)

[04:45:12]

SadaraX:

All it does is record

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Captain_Murdoch:

SadaraX: that's not that much if you're software encoding around 640x480x29.97fps video. only enough horsepower for 1 tuner and no commercial flagging at the same time or you may get recording problems.

[04:46:17]

Daedalus_:

SadaraX: Then you're probably fine

[04:46:39]

Daedalus_:

SadaraX: however, I deffer to Captain_Murdoch

[04:46:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you use hardware encoding, you could fill that machine with tuners.

[04:47:26]

SadaraX:

My standard recording is 720x480x29.97fps at max bitrate of whatever I am using

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Captain_Murdoch:

My master backend is a P3–733 with (3) M179 ivtv tuners. my slave is a P3–550 with 2 HDTV tuners.

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SadaraX:

and that's all the machine does, it just records

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SadaraX:

I don't really bother with commercial flagging (though I might give it a try in the future)

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Captain_Murdoch:

and you're doing software encoding to MPEG-2 on that machine?

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SadaraX:

yep

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SadaraX:

its running windows 2000 currenty, and recording in WinDVR 3.0

[04:48:39]

SadaraX:

I want to swap in a mythtv supported card and use mythtv instead

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Daedalus_:

SadaraX: You don't use commercial flagging!!!?? One keypress gets you to the next non-commercial stretch!

[04:49:00]

SadaraX:

I'm not against the idea, I have just never had the option before

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Daedalus_:

Ah

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. well, with Myth, it would be MPEG-4, since Myth doesn't support software encoding to MPEG-2 right now. I'm looking into adding support for software MPEG-2 encoding, but have only played around with it right now.

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SadaraX:

MPEG-4 is fine. All I really care about it having video that looks spatucular when I record it, regardless of size. I will transcode it later with h.264 or some custom xvid

[04:50:21]

SadaraX:

*spectacular

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AngryElf:

this is the error:: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 1536 want 4096

[04:50:46]

AngryElf:

............what does this mean, and/or which settings do i need to change???

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kormoc:

SadaraX, nuvexport is really nice for converting myth files :)

[04:51:16]

SadaraX:

nuvexport? the only thing I know about nuv is that avidemux supports it (thankfully)

[04:51:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

look at some of the screenshots on MythTV.org, I think there are some good examples there of the video

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kormoc:

SadaraX, nuvexport is a program to export myth videos (they used to be all called .nuv, but it supports all myth video formats) and with a few key presses, you can export in one of a dozen types with your options

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kormoc:

SadaraX, it's really handy

[04:53:27]

SadaraX:

Well, I suppose the last thing to consider is whether the pvr 150 will be powerful enough with my system to record without problems

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kormoc:

SadaraX, easy

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Captain_Murdoch:

pvr-150 can record full-size DVD resolution video on a p3–400 or less.

[04:54:05]

xri1:

man, I think I finally figured out at least a quick kludge for this load-speed issue in mythweb

[04:54:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

with 3% cpu usage. :)

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kormoc:

SadaraX, it's hardware encoding, not done via the cpu

[04:55:24]

SadaraX:

oh, well then i'm totally set with the pvr 150. i think i'll go make an order at newegg now...

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k-man:

#windows

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k-man:

oops

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feld:

theres a #windows on freenode?

[05:01:10]

** feld goes to find out... and wonders why **

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feld:

dear god it exists, and disgusts me ;)

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feld:

seriously, how bad can windows support be? 1) defrag 2) fix your registry 3) you have a broken driver 4) reinstall, you have no hope

[05:02:23]

k-man:

yeah

[05:02:25]

k-man:

actually

[05:02:27]

k-man:

its quite good

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k-man:

well, i find it good anyway

[05:02:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

5) you need the next version

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feld:

I'm sure there's good info floating around in there

[05:03:05]

feld:

Captain_Murdoch: ahh, I forgot that one ;)

[05:03:08]

SadaraX:

6) download new patches

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SadaraX:

7) multiple restarts

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SadaraX:

8) get a good anti-virus scanner

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SadaraX:

9) firewall recommended

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feld:

10) install linux

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feld:

ahaha....

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SadaraX:

its like a twelve step program

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scottder:

install freebsd

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scottder:

:)

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feld:

scottder: another excellent suggestion

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feld:

I have very little experience with FBSD, but I would love to dive into it when I have the time. I'm told it's very well maintained and a well rounded system.

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scottder:

feld: I like it from svelt systems....good for firewalls too

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scottder:

especially with pf

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k-man:

i have never tried freebsd

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k-man:

i should give it a go sometime

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fatmatt:

anyone use the nv kernel drivers ?

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k-man:

i do i think

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fatmatt:

do you output to a tv? (composite?) any issues with playback?

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fatmatt:

thinking about moving over to those, going to install a new tuner card and support looks better in the later kernels but the nvidia binary doesn't like the newer kernel yet

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k-man:

yes

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Agrajag-:

which, 2.6.16?

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k-man:

output to a tv

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k-man:

i get a thin blue line on the top and left hand edges of the screen

[05:41:05]

k-man:

dunno why i get those thin blue lines

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k-man:

but appart from that playback is perfect

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Agrajag-:

you want to do xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048

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Agrajag-:

that'll fix them

[05:41:37]

Agrajag-:

well it'll make the blue black

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k-man:

but i never managed to get dual head with monitor and tv working at the same time to work

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k-man:

really?

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Agrajag-:

i do that

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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fatmatt:

Agrajag-: thats what I was about to say :)

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k-man:

what does that do?

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Agrajag-:

makes blue black :

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Agrajag-:

:)

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fatmatt:

just changes the background to black I think

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fatmatt:

might need to install xvattr

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k-man:

oh, you think its a background issue?

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Agrajag-:

k-man: yeah it is

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k-man:

i thought it was some issue to do with the way it outputs the composite?

[05:43:03]

k-man:

so its a known issue?

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Agrajag-:

k-man: i do dual head with monitor/tv, works well, i can show you my xorg.conf

[05:43:29]

Agrajag-:

that wont work with the nv driver though i don't think

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fatmatt:

Agrajag-: yeah, 2.6.16

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

its ok

[05:44:17]

k-man:

i don't have a monitor hooked up to it any more anyway

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k-man:

Agrajag-, what distro do you run?

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Agrajag-:

debian

[05:44:50]

Agrajag-:

i gotta run

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Agrajag-:

bbl

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fatmatt:

Agrajag-: do you know if switching to nv is as simple as altering the lines that read nvidia in xorg.conf to read nv?

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k-man:

fatmatt, oh... wait... whats the difference between nvidia and nv?

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fatmatt:

nvidia should be the binary driver from nvidia.com, nv should be the driver that comes with the kernel source, I say "should" because I'm a bit unsure about how it all works

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

i see

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k-man:

how good is the open source driver?

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k-man:

i'd love to move to it

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k-man:

i hate closed source drivers

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fatmatt:

thats what I'd like to know, don't think it does 3d... but I only use tv out on this card

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fatmatt:

I don't ask a lot from it I think..

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

if it does tv out i'd give it a go

[05:52:38]

k-man:

i don't need 3d either

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fatmatt:

k-man: how about you try it and let me know how you go;)

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k-man:

hmmm

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k-man:

no, i have a better idea

[05:54:17]

k-man:

how about you try it and let me know how you go ;)

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fatmatt:

thats weird, I swear there used to be an nv module, can't seem to find it

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phreekr:

anyone ever get an error ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command (insert hex here)!

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Anduin:

phreekr – Almost everyone if the sample is long enough.

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phreekr:

about 45 of then in 5 seconds? :)

[06:11:47]

Anduin:

phreekr – Google it.

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phreekr:

i have

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phreekr:

nothing comes up that is of any use

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Anduin:

phreekr – saa7115

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phreekr:

load that?

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phreekr:

im gonna try once more before i give up and try debian instead of gentoo

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Anduin:

It isn't a distro problem...

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Anduin:

people need to stop switching distros the second they hit a problem

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phreekr:

i know but ive messed with everything so much trying to get the ivtv drivers to work i bet i messed something up

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phreekr:

its not that, ive been working on this problem for 4 days now

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Anduin:

phreekr – I don't know how active the channel is anymore, but there is an #ivtv-dev that used to handle exactly this sort of thing.

[06:17:23]

phreekr:

and i had ivtv working, then i installed mythtv and live tv would not come up, so i did a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and let it sit for a few seconds and the file was 0 bytes

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phreekr:

ahh on this server?

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Anduin:

phreekr – Yes on this server, people in there probably didn't even have to look up 0x21.

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phreekr:

heh, cool ill check it out thanks

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phreekr:

omfg its working now

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k-man:

you know the new signal strenght monitoring feature?

[06:23:41]

k-man:

how do you know if your capture card supports it?

[06:23:57]

k-man:

when i tried to use it, the hdd started to churn and mythtv just hung

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bobbyz:

Hey, has anyone used mythstreamtv? Are there any other vlc solutions for mythweb out there or is mythstreamtv the only thing available? I looked through the installer for mythstreamtv as well as some of the php code, and though I've heard it works, it seems very hackish...I'm hesitant to install it

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mchou:

full screen pan and scan is an abomination

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mchou:

why do they even bother mastering movie dvds full screen is beyond me

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netrix:

mchou: agreed.

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netrix:

pan and scan is for suckers.

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mchou:

just saw finding neverland full screen and it completely spoiled the effect

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netrix:

mchou: i wont even watch a full screen version

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netrix:

someone loaned me walk the line and i saw it was full screen and was like no thanks

[06:41:27]

netrix:

<-- wide screen snob.

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mchou:

netrix: well, I borrowed this dvd from the library

[06:41:53]

mchou:

didnt realize it was fs until I busted open the dvd

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netrix:

mchou: i guess the library is clueless about the difference

[06:42:26]

mchou:

I suppose

[06:42:46]

mchou:

most of the time the library actually has pretty good stuff

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netrix:

i didn't buy a HD sets to watch pan 'n scan stuff.

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netrix:

mchou: your lucky .. ours sucks.

[06:43:06]

mchou:

dunno what happened in this case

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netrix:

if they did i'd be over there borrowing everthing and burning the good ones.

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

you use netflix for that

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netrix:

hah.

[06:43:47]

netrix:

a buddy of mine does that.

[06:43:54]

netrix:

tho i think netflix jacked the prices recently.

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mchou:

really?

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netrix:

thats what i heard

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mchou:

I saw ads for $10/mo.....

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Anduin:

Not really.

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mchou:

maybe that was promotional?

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phreekr:

well i got ivtv and lirc working, but now my soundcard does not work and i cant change channels in mythtv :(

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** netrix shrugs. **

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netrix:

phreekr: are you sure you didn't lock the channel in mythtvsetup?

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Anduin:

phreekr – Now you know what your grandparents endured.

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netrix:

lol

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phreekr:

heh

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phreekr:

let me check in setup quick

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phreekr:

is it preset tuner to channel?

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netrix:

uh yeah i think thats it.

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phreekr:

k that may be why then its set to 3

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netrix:

there is another option there for the channel it starts on too.

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netrix:

one should be blank the other is probably 3.

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phreekr:

on that same screen?

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netrix:

i think so.

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phreekr:

k

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netrix:

had a similar issue myself

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phreekr:

yea thats what it was

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netrix:

heh

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phreekr:

said leave this blank unless you have an external box

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netrix:

ta-da.

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phreekr:

but it defaults to a number in there

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phreekr:

strange

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phreekr:

thanks :)

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netrix:

np.

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phreekr:

im getting so antsy lol, i just want my last week of messin with this to pay off :)

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netrix:

i've spent so much time messing with mythtv.

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netrix:

fun stuff.

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netrix:

anyone try building the 0.5.x series ivtv?

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phar0e:

hi, I need a REAL operating system that can handle amd64 and is closest to unix as any other 64bit distro, please suggest!

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phreekr:

ive learned so much, especially doing it through gentoo

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netrix:

i got my bttv card and pvr500 working at the same time!

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** netrix cheers. **

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netrix:

finally.

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BrokenPipe:

Am I out of luck if I'm trying to get MythTV working in Gentoo? It seems like at every turn there's something not working quite like how the the HOWTO describes.

[07:42:45]

sneezer:

BrokenPipe what seems to be wrong?

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phreekr:

apparently that didnt work,its strange though, myth says im changing he channel, the numbers go up and down, but the picture stays te same

[07:43:19]

phreekr:

BrokenPipe: i am starting to get stuff decently working in gentoo right now

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phreekr:

BrokenPipe: its taken me over a week so far

[07:45:56]

BrokenPipe:

heh

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BrokenPipe:

not a good sign

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BrokenPipe:

when I try to run mythtv-setup I keep getting a million "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open"

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phreekr:

i have everything but sound working right now, and my tuner only stays on one channel no matter what :(

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BrokenPipe:

mysql is running

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BrokenPipe:

I did the mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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phreekr:

make sure you have the root and the password correct in mythfrontend

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BrokenPipe:

Is /etc/init.d/mythbackend suppose to run something?

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phreekr:

i just had that problem an hour ago :)

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BrokenPipe:

where is mythfrontend?

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phreekr:

type /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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xri1:

BrokenPipe: run mythtv-setup ?

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phreekr:

then mythfrontend

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BrokenPipe:

When I run /etc/init.d/mythbackend it doesn't do anything

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xri1:

phreekr: he needs to run setup first.

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phreekr:

you need start at the end of it

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phreekr:

i was assuming he had done setup :)

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BrokenPipe:

xri1: <BrokenPipe> when I try to run mythtv-setup I keep getting a million "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open"

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xri1:

BrokenPipe: run it with -v all

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phreekr:

oooo ok

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BrokenPipe:

Does 'emerge mythtv' setup the mysql user "mythtv"?

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BrokenPipe:

Or do I need to create that?

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phreekr:

i was getting sone error about the DB when i was opening mythfrontend earlier, thought you were having the same problem forsome reason

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phreekr:

you need to create it

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BrokenPipe:

How do I do that?

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BrokenPipe:

It's not in the HOWTO/Wiki

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xris:

phreekr: the mc.sql thing he did already creates the database

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BrokenPipe:

But does it create the user?

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BrokenPipe:

Creating the user "mythtv" and creating the DB mythconverg are two different things

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BrokenPipe:

so, I think the problem is that the backend isn't starting

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BrokenPipe:

The question is, why doesn't the backend start?

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phreekr:

i dont remember how i didit, you need a bunch of flags on it, lemme see ifi can find it somewhere

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phreekr:

useradd -G users,audio,video,games,wheel mythtv

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phreekr:

then do passwd mythtv

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phreekr:

this doc helped me out so much, it might help you out too http://home.comcast.net/~alf_park/mythtv.html

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BrokenPipe:

that is all done by portage

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phreekr:

the user creation?

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BrokenPipe:

and group adding

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phreekr:

it never did it for me, i had to do both manually

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phreekr:

actually portage gave me an error that a group didnt exist

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phreekr:

night guys

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xris:

likewise

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phar0e:

SCREEN is my only friend, it never lets me down

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phar0e:

I have a memory question, I installed a new motherboard and 4 sticks of DDR400 memory, 2*512 and 2*1GB, only real difference is the 1GBs are timed for CAS Latency of 2 while the 512s are 2.5, and the BIOS shows it as 128-bit dual channel but ddr200 and 2.5 latency(which I understand) please share your thoughts

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d64:

if you have problems, then try removing the other sticks

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d64:

but afaik that sort of a setup should work

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phar0e:

I think it's a bug that it's displaying ddr200, I think it's really ddr400

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d64:

well the frequencies have to be correct anyway in order for the cpu frequency to be correct

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d64:

and so on

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phar0e:

haha nevermind, people report setting memory speed to SPD works much better than "AUTO"

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phar0e:

hey d64, you run 64-bit OS?

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d64:

no

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phar0e:

I thought... because of your.. oh well

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phar0e:

how are you liking mythtv? are you completely satisfied?

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d64:

well no.. most people here have already probably heard my problems with transcoding

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d64:

ie transcoding tools not supporting dvbsubs

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phar0e:

what are dvbsubs? subtitles on a dvb device?

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d64:

subtitles that come as a separate stream in the dvb broadcast

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phar0e:

oh

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d64:

they are not used in most areas i believe

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d64:

instead the subs are rendered right on the video stream

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phar0e:

and you want to preserve them when you transcode? they show up under livetv and recordings?

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d64:

mythtv does support them yeah but in transcoding they are discarded yes

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phar0e:

oh

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d64:

so i'm sort of just waiting

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phar0e:

no matter what kind of transcoding you do?

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d64:

well i've not tried every possible transcode but at least mpeg2 -> mpeg2 and xvid transcoding

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d64:

but it's not really bug.. more like a missing feature

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phar0e:

when you say xvid, do you mean you tried transcoding using nuvexport?

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d64:

so i'll just wait

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d64:

yeah

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phar0e:

what about lossless transcoding, have you tried that?

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Merlin83b2:

Morning folks.

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d64:

sorry i was having lunch

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d64:

with mpeg2->mpeg2 transcoding i meant lossless transcoding

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d64:

ie just cutlists applied, no re-encode

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coffee88:

does anyone have a favorite tftp server for using with a mvp on gentoo? I'm confused....

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illogic-al:

anyone here use mythtv with mysql 5?

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dtm:

illogic-al: dont be surprised if it's not possible

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dtm:

mysql5 without compatibility mode is completely different

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dtm:

so i dont know

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illogic-al:

ach

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illogic-al:

how wold i turn on compatibility mode?

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phar0e:

I use mythtv with mysql5

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illogic-al:

phar0e: how do you get around the mythfilldatabase problem?

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phar0e:

I wasn't aware that there was one?

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dorel:

uhmm, what xwindows stuff do i need installed for mythtv?

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phar0e:

illogic-al: what problem are you getting?

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dorel:

i mean, i need ofcourse the x-window-system (like xorg or xfree86) but do i also need to install gnome/kde?

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phar0e:

dorel: no window manager is required, it's optional

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illogic-al:

phar0e: the database wont fill when mythfilldatabase is run

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dorel:

phar0e: alright. so just the x-window-system right?

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phar0e:

dorel: but you may have problems playing video using mplayer or xine with mythvideo if you dont have a windowmanager that can focus the new windows, so use something lightweight like blackbox or similar

[10:20:31]

coffee88:

I use evilwm Seesm to work great, and very light

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phar0e:

illogic-al: what does it say? surely it says more than just that

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dorel:

phar0e: cool. is there something else you recommend or should i go with blackbox?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: #flood ?

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phar0e:

it's trivial really, you shouldn't have to touch a thing to do with the WM itself

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dorel:

im following the debian howto over at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid – i hope it's still relevant :)

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phar0e:

cool dorel , I'm building a new frontend on my AMD64, going to install debian and follow that guide to get all the mythtv dependancies installed, should be fun

[10:22:56]

phar0e:

what version of debian did you go with?

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phar0e:

illogic-al: is this a fresh install of mythtv?

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dorel:

phar0e: with the debian sarge (3.1) install disk i chose expert26 and configured the unstable repositories. thats ok, right?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: yeah

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phar0e:

dorel: no clue, I'm going to be learning debian.. been using slackware for 5 years

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phar0e:

I went more bleeding edge and went with their beta 2 of etch

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dorel:

ok, lets hope for the best then :)

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phar0e:

illogic-al: did you create the user, database, permissions and used mc.sql to create initial tables ok?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: i think so.

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dorel:

the mythtv (server) needs to be plugged into the tv and i can then run mythtv-backends in other rooms to "connect" to the mythtv server and watch tv, right?

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phar0e:

no dorel

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phar0e:

you see the database error illogic-al ? it is complaining about your mix of collations

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qu0zl:

dorel, the mythtv-backend is the server side part, it needs to be connected to your tv signal source -> antenna , cable feed whatever

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phar0e:

dorel: your mythbackend(server) this machine has the tv capture device(usually a tuner card), it records and stores the TV and holds all configuration settings in its mysql database, frontends connect to that and can watch recordings and live tv off its tuner

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qu0zl:

you then run frontends wherever you want, and those display the programs recorded by the backend

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illogic-al:

phar0e: what's that mean?

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dorel:

oh yeah sorry. i meant the server is the backend and the computers distributed in the rooms are runing the frontend :)

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phar0e:

illogic-al: where are you from?

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dorel:

can several frontends watch tv or videos simulatneously?

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illogic-al:

i think last time i did this, on ubuntu i had to run a script that allowed creation of temporary tables.

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phar0e:

never tried dorel, I'm a 1 man mythtv man

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illogic-al:

but i don't know where that is anymore.

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illogic-al:

phar0e: US

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phar0e:

illogic-al: did you do the mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg > mc.sql ?

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dorel:

phar0e :)

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phar0e:

dorel: I'm quite sure you can have as many users watching recordings simultaneously, but livetv I think it'll only allow one at a time

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illogic-al:

phar0e: yes

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dorel:

ok ill check it and give some feedback

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phar0e:

because in a sense when you are watching livetv, it's recording, but only temporarily, so another user would get the msg "all devices are currently being used to record"

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dorel:

im almost over with the mythtv installation

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phar0e:

but if you had multiple tuners I think it would then go to the 2nd one and try that one if it's available

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phar0e:

illogic-al: you setup the channel source without errors in mythtv-setup?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: there was something it was complaining about, but i ignored it.

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phar0e:

lol

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illogic-al:

it was in the Input Connections part so i fugure it wasn't that important.

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phar0e:

any and all error messages are important

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qu0zl:

dorel if you put in two tuners you can have two people watch different live tv sources at once

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qu0zl:

or one watch live tv while another show is being recorded in the background

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phar0e:

searching google seems like this is a common problem with a bunch of different applications using mysql

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qu0zl:

if it's SD tv, you can get dual-tuner single pci cards like the pvr-500

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illogic-al:

i've been searching google forever and haven't gotten a solution yet.

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dorel:

ahh cool

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phar0e:

illogic-al: curious, what version exactly of mysql5 are you running?

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qu0zl:

2 tuners are good to have otherwise you can't watch live tv while you record something anyway

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illogic-al:

phar0e: 5.0.18

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phar0e:

same version as me

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illogic-al:

phar0e: you have mythtv .19 ?

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phar0e:

running svn

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illogic-al:

oh.

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phar0e:

hmm

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phar0e:

what is dd_v

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phar0e:

did you name something dd_v illogic-al ?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: no. i don't know what any of that stuff means, where it is, or where it comes from

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phar0e:

well your problem is "Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) for operation '='"

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phar0e:

all my tables are latin1_swedish, somehow something wants to use latin1_general and that's causing the problem

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phar0e:

I don't know what to tell you other than to screw around in mythtv-setup and then try again, if you were seeing an error when you set it up that could be the cause, I'm not sure

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k-man_:

how do i make mythtv allow channel changing across input cards?

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illogic-al:

phar0e: ok i'll try it again.

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illogic-al:

phar0e: thanks for everything

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phar0e:

np

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dorel:

so does the mythtv package now comes with the ivtv driver or its using something of its own...?

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stuarta:

morning all

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Merlin83b2:

Morning

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Chicago:

good morning

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Chicago:

Does anybody here use the via epia-sp board with the mpeg-4 decoder onboard?

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phar0e:

I hope I can outwit my computer in 2 hours and get things working

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k-man_:

acording to the release notes 0.19 should be able to change channel across capture cards

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k-man_:

but i can't work out how to enable that

[11:06:38]

k-man_:

ie, if you have 2 different tv sources

[11:06:43]

k-man_:

any ideas?

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stuarta:

via epg?

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k-man_:

oh... is that the only way?

[11:07:25]

k-man_:

i thought it would work in channel browsing?

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gakalkag:

hi chicago, i use the epia-sp

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illogic-al:

it worked!

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illogic-al:

phar0e: I dropped the mythconverg table and re-imported.

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Chicago:

gakalkag: cool, do you like it? will it decode XViD too?

[11:09:07]

stuarta:

k-man_: Y

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k-man_:

stuarta, are you confirming what i thought would work?

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stuarta:

k-man_: that's the key to press...

[11:09:50]

gakalkag:

hmmm, I dont know. just use it for playing the mpegs my pvr-500 make

[11:10:37]

k-man_:

according to the release notes "Added support for changing channels across tuners during LiveTV without having to change tuners manually first."

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Chicago:

gakalkag: I want one... are you using it on just a front end with a small 60watt power supply? Or did you build a bigger box with like a 300 watt power supply.

[11:11:37]

Agrajag-:

k-man: so what happens when you change channel to one that's on a different source? just doesn't change?

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k-man_:

Agrajag-, um... i can change tuner by pressing Y

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coffee88:

sorry to ask agin, but does anyone have a favorite tftp server for using with a mvp on gentoo? I'm still confused....

[11:12:04]

Agrajag-:

k-man: err that's what what i asked

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k-man_:

but if i just cycle channels with the arrow keys, it cycles through the one tuner only

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Agrajag-:

no

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Agrajag-:

err not

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Agrajag-:

i think it has to be a different channel number?

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k-man_:

hmm...

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phar0e:

is it possible to slow a video card fan down when the video card is idle? or only in my dreams

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Chicago:

coffee88: emerge tftp-hpa, it works better than atftp

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Agrajag-:

phar0e: any decent video card does that by itself

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coffee88:

Chicago: thanks.

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gakalkag:

use if for a diskless frontend. running minimyth http://linpvr.org/forum/ . I use a 60W psu. U can see some info at my page : http://phrenk.com/yeah/

[11:13:04]

k-man_:

Agrajag-, both cards do have different channel numbers

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phar0e:

Agrajag-: I see, thanks

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k-man_:

Agrajag-, i'm notsure i understand what you mean

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Agrajag-:

so if you're watching one, and you type in a channel number that only exists on the other source, what happens?

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Agrajag-:

just doesn't change?

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k-man_:

ooh, i don't know

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k-man_:

ill try that

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k-man_:

brb

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phar0e:

haha awesome gakalkag , walker texas ranger.. that guy isn't gay when he has sex with a man, that only means he's run out of women

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gakalkag:

:D

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k-man_:

Agrajag-, yeah, that works... typing the channel number

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phar0e:

very cool case, good job on that

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k-man_:

is that what "changing channels across tuners" means?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Agrajag-:

well that's what i assumed when i read it

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k-man_:

Agrajag-, but not include said channels in the list?

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stuarta:

can also be done by selecting the channel from the epg.

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k-man_:

oh... yeah, i see what you mean, bit it kind of seems obvious to me that it would also work when cycling through the channels

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k-man_:

but apparantly that doesn't work

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gakalkag:

phar0e: thanx

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Agrajag-:

cycling through channels.. didn't know anyone did that anymore

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k-man_:

oh... i guess not

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k-man_:

actually... thats a good point

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stuarta:

people still watch livetv????

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k-man_:

its not really critical for me

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k-man_:

your right

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Agrajag-:

"you're"

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

thanks for correcting my spelling

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Agrajag-:

it's not spelling.. you're using one word that is completely different from the two words you actually want

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mchou:

oh, dont be pedantic

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Agrajag-:

it pisses me off! :)

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Agrajag-:

as does "alot", it's TWO WORDS!

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dtm:

stuarta: not me, man!! don't worry.

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mchou:

Agrajag-: tou seem to use "two words" alot :)

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Agrajag-:

bah :P

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stuarta:

dtm: huh???

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mchou:

shit, this is screwed up. the vanilla 2.6.16 kernel makefiles are screwed up.

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phar0e:

no problems with 2.6.16 here!

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mchou:

phar0e: try "make rpm"

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mchou:

it fails miserably

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phar0e:

what is an rpm?

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phar0e:

rounds per minute?

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stuarta:

!lart phar0e

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mchou:

phar0e: pftttt.....

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phar0e:

we should create a new linux distro called "mythtv" and totally make it suck, would be so funny

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stuarta:

!trout phar0e

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** MythLogBot slaps phar0e with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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dtm:

stuarta: well see it works like this. you say something, and then i respond to what you said, in context. This interactive flow is called "conversation"!

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phar0e:

!titsout

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dtm:

stuarta: see?

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dtm:

maybe that'll make things clearer between us! <3

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stuarta:

was having trouble working out what you were replying tooo. sorted that now...

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dorel:

ok managed to get mythtv runing

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dorel:

although now im less interested in the tv recording and more interested in the media playing functionality of it like playing dvd/mp3s/videos/pics etc on the local hard drive/through network

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JasonX:

anyone know what i do to reinstall lilo on drive that wont boot, i have booted knoppix cd so have command prompt. do i have to mount hda then run /sbin/lilo or...?

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mchou:

goddamn, corrected the kernel error

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mchou:

guess I really know what I'm doing now :)

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passi:

hi there. can anyone tell me why i get the following error when scanning for channels: DVB ERROR – Invalid symbol rate parameter '', aborting. ?

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mchou:

JasonX: what distro is on /dev/hda? (that doesnt boot)

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hydroksyde:

mythtv keeps stopping between programs :(

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hydroksyde:

the video just freezes

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coffee88:

has anyone downloaded mvpmc before? the how-to and the sourceforge site don't match. Not sure what to download...

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coffee88:

don't worry. Sorted. The PPC arch threw me for a minute....

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JasonX:

mchou : its ok i've done it now. I cloned my mythtv drive but it wouldn't boot. I booted off live cd did:- mkdir mount; mount /dev/dha1 mount; chroot mount; /sbin/lilo and NOW drive boots

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JasonX:

I also did `dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1` so dunno if that would've fixed it anyway? but anyway I've cloned my drive as old drive was being tempremental so :)

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mchou:

JasonX: you live life too dangerously

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mchou:

the first one would not have worked since knoopix mounts read-only

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mchou:

and the second one could have fubared your drive layout....

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mchou:

if hda and hdb arent mirrors

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mchou:

knoppix mounts read only by default, iirc

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JasonX:

yer hdb was original drive cloned onto hdb using some ghost like program

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JasonX:

yer hdb was original drive cloned onto hda using some ghost like program

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JasonX:

i figure next time i will just boot with knopp cd do `dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda then the lilo stuff and should be good to go

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JasonX:

wotn bother with ghost like tools

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dorel:

thats odd

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dorel:

i've added some videos and defined the directory

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dorel:

though it doesnt play them (mp3s it plays fine though)

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dorel:

could it be a codec thing?

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JasonX:

I think i'd like to keep a spare myth drive around anyway, just got some drive caddies, so if it ever goes down i can just swap the drive out and be back in bizniz albeit minus my recordings

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dorel:

i've got .wmv, .mpg and .avi files there and its not playing any of these

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dorel:

ok its because mplayer isnt installed

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coffee88:

yeeee ha! One hauppague mvp working as a myth frontend. Yippee!

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stuarta:

coffee88: sounds nice...

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dorel:

cool coffee88

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stuarta:

any perf figures to share?

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coffee88:

not really, i'm just glad it's working. the be is on a slow network link, so I'm just glad it plays with no skipping

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stuarta:

sd or hd content

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coffee88:

sd dvb-t

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coffee88:

and cheap via ebay. £30.

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stuarta:

those things are pretty cheap too aren't they?

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stuarta:

:)

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coffee88:

they seem to go for 30 to 45 pds. same kit.

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stuarta:

what sort of connections do you use to the TV?

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coffee88:

cheaper than another epia.

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coffee88:

scart connection

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stuarta:

might look into one then....

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coffee88:

seems nice so far, but then new toys always do. only way I could justify hooking up the bedroom tv.

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stuarta:

what os etc did you put on it???

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coffee88:

there's an mvpmc image that is all mythtv ready. Network boots.

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stuarta:

ooooo

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coffee88:

makes it all easy once I worked out how to set up dhcp and tftp. all going in 2 hours.

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coffee88:

And only that long as I didn't ahve a clue what I was doing.

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Igg-man:

Why would the audio stop mid call between mythphone and a linksys pap2?

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Igg-man:

It actually goes one way all the time, but the other only works for about 5 to 30 seconds

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pjn:

coffee88: what's that thing you have? mvp?

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Igg-man:

pjn: I've got a mediaMVP

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Igg-man:

Well, I don't, but both my roommate and my brother do

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pjn:

and they work as mythfrontends?

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pjn:

and they're cheap?

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Igg-man:

Somewhat... they only play MPEG2

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Igg-man:

I don't think the commercial skip works with them

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Igg-man:

I don't know if I would call it cheap

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Igg-man:

FF and REW tend to throw the audio out of sync sometimes

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coffee88:

pjn: yup that's the one, and yup, they do.

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coffee88:

Igg-man: that happens on my main box sometimes too.

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pjn:

coffee88: is there a web page that documents all of this?

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coffee88:

mvp.sourceforge.net

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coffee88:

mvpmc.sourceforge.net sorry

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Igg-man:

It's a cool little box, but I don't think I would personally buy one

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coffee88:

it'll do for me. I only record and play dvb-t. 30pds can't go wrong for that.

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Igg-man:

pds?

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pjn:

so if I don't transcode, it works fine with dvb-t

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coffee88:

pounds

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pjn:

cool

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Igg-man:

oh

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Igg-man:

how much is that in US dollars?

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coffee88:

50 ish? this is off ebay...

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Igg-man:

I thought I saw them for about $130

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Igg-man:

Oh... ebay, I haven't checked there for them

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coffee88:

maybe new, but it seems there's not much that can really go wrong with them. no moving parts, at least

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Igg-man:

Why pounds instead of Euros?

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laga:

has somebody ever heard something about some guy called "jim price"? german heise newsticker says he works for novell and is involved with mythtv development

[13:35:06]

coffee88:

errr... because I live in the UK?

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Igg-man:

oh

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coffee88:

:-)

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Igg-man:

I guess I didn't know who all coverted

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coffee88:

I suspect it may take some time for the UK to convert....

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stuarta:

only silly place apart from the US that still uses miles....

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Igg-man:

No doubt, if its anything like the US's adoption of the metric system

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Igg-man:

that was funny

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stuarta:

3rd time today...

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Igg-man:

is it?

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Igg-man:

I've only been on this channel since 7:22

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Igg-man:

err... for about 15 minutes

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Igg-man:

Thu Mar 23 07:38:23 CST 2006

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stuarta:

once with the GF, once in dev, now here...

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Igg-man:

nice, you have a girlfriend?

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coffee88:

lol

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stuarta:

8-)

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coffee88:

Igg-man: get out more!

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Igg-man:

I know I know...

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Igg-man:

I actually have one too

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Igg-man:

I was thinking about upgrading

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laga:

to wife 1.0?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Igg-man:

No, to another vendors model

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Beirdo:

a good upgrade path

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna work.

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Igg-man:

What do you do?

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Beirdo:

UNIX admin

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Beirdo:

I wanna sleep

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Igg-man:

sweet... I only get to work on windows boxes at work, my linux box doesn't break (much)

[13:42:41]

Igg-man:

Though I have been having a strange problem with it.... I get duplicate ping replys when pinging some addresses

[13:42:46]

laga:

same for me. i have a class test tomorrow and i still have to read thru approximately 30 pages of BS, so it's gonna be a rather short nap

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Igg-man:

no other machines I try with do the same thing

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laga:

Igg-man: i believe 'man ping' gives some insight on that

[13:43:21]

Igg-man:

It does?

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Igg-man:

Checking...

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Igg-man:

That didn't seem to help much

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Igg-man:

Strange though that another computer attached at the same port does not give the same errored results

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Igg-man:

I think the problem is in that box

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laga:

well, "DUPLICATE AND DAMAGED PACKETS

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Igg-man:

yep

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laga:

" but that's not very interesting

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Igg-man:

nope

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Igg-man:

I gave up running nagios on it, it keeps yelling that it's getting those duplicate packets

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phar0e:

aaa

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phar0e:

anyone know about amd64 compile errors, fpic..

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stuarta:

looks like they may have deleted bloomberg off topup tv

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dorel:

hmmm

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jams:

hmmmmmmmmm

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Cromz:

mmmmmmmmmmmmh

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stuarta:

boing

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jams:

morning Cromz

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Cromz:

hey,, Morning jams :)

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jams:

so whats new in data recovery?

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Cromz:

like nine inch nails says.. every day is exactly the same. lol

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Cromz:

nutting new.

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eidolon:

morninski comrades! how goes the struggle?

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dorel:

goes ok i think eidolon

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dorel:

except i cant get mplayer to play with hebrew fonts the subtitles

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Spruit_elf:

does someone know if its is possible to forward mythtv windows tru ssh X forwarding?

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Beirdo:

possible? yes

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Beirdo:

but Xv won't work

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Spruit_elf:

well its mostly for setup

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Beirdo:

so it will suck as it will be pushing WAY too much data to watch videos

[16:05:23]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

for setup, you should be OK doing that

[16:05:36]

TheFloyd:

'morning all

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Spruit_elf:

but when i start mythtv-setup or frontend on over ssh the screen does not show up, forwarding works

[16:06:12]

TheFloyd:

I have a quick question that I haven't found an easy answer to on the wiki or google (could be I'm just not searching properly..)

[16:06:46]

Spruit_elf:

or at least it does with every other program i tried

[16:06:54]

TheFloyd:

I've got a mythtv box with 4 tuners, 2 HD, 2 SD.. when I launch mythfrontend, it always defaults to one of the HD tuners, which isn't what I want it to do.. I've tried changing the capture card priorities, but it still behaves the same

[16:07:14]

TheFloyd:

where would I go to 'encourage' mythfrontend to use a specific tuner when launching?

[16:07:49]

TheFloyd:

err.. when launching live tv more specifically

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Beirdo:

TheFloyd: remove all the tuners in mythtv-setup

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TheFloyd:

ok..

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Beirdo:

then put them back in in the order you want them to be used

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Beirdo:

I know it sucks

[16:09:17]

Beirdo:

AFAIK that's the way to do ot

[16:09:19]

Beirdo:

it rather

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TheFloyd:

funny thing is, I'm 99% sure I did that already :)

[16:09:32]

Beirdo:

although, that also will be the order it uses for recording

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TheFloyd:

I yanked all the tuners, added both of my videoX devices from my hauppauge 500 first

[16:09:43]

TheFloyd:

then added the 2 HD tuners as 3rd and 4th options

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Beirdo:

odd

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TheFloyd:

and yet when I launch live TV, it still INSISTS on kicking off one of the HD tuners

[16:10:03]

Beirdo:

I dunno then

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TheFloyd:

I'll try it again, maybe I messed up

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TheFloyd:

but that was my first attempt :)

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Beirdo:

or try the opposite order perhaps?

[16:10:24]

Beirdo:

I dunno

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TheFloyd:

hmmm good idea

[16:10:44]

TheFloyd:

what's really really weird is I added video0 and video1 from the hauppauge as 1 and 2

[16:10:50]

TheFloyd:

then the hd cards as 3 and 4

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TheFloyd:

BUT

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TheFloyd:

when I cycle through tuners

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dorel:

ok, how do i get mythtv to run automatically on bootup?

[16:11:08]

TheFloyd:

it goes hd card -> hauppauge -> hauppauge -> hd card

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TheFloyd:

so it's totally messing with me ;)

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Beirdo:

weird

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sphing:

does ivtv no longer need the .exe from the cdrom?

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TheFloyd:

if i stop the backend, run mythtv-setup, drop all the tuners, add all the tuners again, and restart the backend it *should* work as expected, right?

[16:13:04]

Beirdo:

I would think so

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TheFloyd:

alrighty.. I'll give it a shot again

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TheFloyd:

maybe I did something dumb the first time

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Beirdo:

Threads: 7 Questions: 382372 Slow queries: 19 Opens: 1066 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 64 Queries per second avg: 2.104

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

heh

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TheFloyd:

wouldn't be the first time I did something dumb ;)

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Spruit_elf:

Beirdo: do you know why X forwarding doesnt work, do i need to use the --display setting?

[16:13:59]

sphing:

does anyone know what I should be looking for in /proc/interrupts dealing with a ivtv?

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Beirdo:

Spruit_elf: check to make sure that DISPLAY is set in your environment

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Beirdo:

if you are doing it over ssh, make sure to try ssh -X blah

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Beirdo:

the -X tells it to request X forwarding, it's off by default in some versions

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Spruit_elf:

Beirdo: that's set, every other program works fine over ssh, just frontend and setup dont show up but also dont give warnings or errors

[16:15:12]

Beirdo:

odd

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Beirdo:

it's always worked for me

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Spruit_elf:

it isnt even complaining about missing an x server thats weird since there no xserver on the remote box

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Spruit_elf:

:S

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sphing:

anyone help me with ivtv: http://pastebin.com/618174

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TheFloyd:

beirdo – if I poke the following into mysql and the capture cards appear is expected, I should be good right?

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TheFloyd:

select cardid,videodevice,cardtype from capturecard;

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TheFloyd:

err.. appear AS expected too

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Beirdo:

workth a try

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TheFloyd:

well, they have cardid 1–4, all appear in the correct order

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TheFloyd:

the first two are /dev/v4l devices

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TheFloyd:

the second two are DVB devices

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TheFloyd:

so.. it seems they're in the correct order.. now let's see what happens :)

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TheFloyd:

wonder how well x forwarding of live TV will work at 5 megabit

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TheFloyd:

this is just asking for trouble...

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

:)

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TheFloyd:

i can't wait till i get home to see what happens tho

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TheFloyd:

:)

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TheFloyd:

*shakes head* it appears to have opened one of the HD cards

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TheFloyd:

i don't get it

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Beirdo:

I don't use livetv

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Beirdo:

heh

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TheFloyd:

haha

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** Beirdo beats PHP with a club! **

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TheFloyd:

*now* you tell me

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Beirdo:

why the hell does mod-php4 require apache to use the prefork MPM?

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sphing:

are there any issues with using LVM on two drives on the same ide channel?

[16:33:37]

Beirdo:

just the usual IDE slowness issues

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sphing:

lovely... kernel is haging on freeing unused memory

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sphing:

would changing memory do that?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

you may need to run a memory test

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d64:

yeah, memtest86

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laga:

like memtest86 :)

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sphing:

i took out the bad stick and now i'm getting hda3 error... not good

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sphing:

wow, what are the chances... 2 bad sticks

[16:47:04]

scopeuk:

bout 4 in 3

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dorel:

hmmm, im just noticing that if i put in an audio cd or a data cd with a movie on it, it doesn't launch anything automatically...

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dorel:

is there a fix for this?

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sphing:

so basically it never launches anything

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sphing:

right?

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dorel:

yea sphing

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sphing:

is it just not launching, or is it not automounting

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dorel:

hmmm, how can i check?

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sphing:

put a cd in, and see if /mnt has something

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dorel:

ok a sec

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sphing:

cdrom or dvd something like that

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sphing:

then check in that dir to see if the cd you just put in is there

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sphing:

however audiocd's dont get mounted... so use a data cd

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coffee88:

dorel: have you turned on hardware monitoring in setup?

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dorel:

not sure coffee88

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dorel:

let me first check if it mounts or not at all

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dorel:

then ill check the hardware monitoring

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coffee88:

it's in front end setup General options

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scopeuk:

oh the joys of knoppmyth owner sship it tells me samba is installed and configured what it doesent tell me is that i need to manualy tell it t run at boot

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sphing:

hahahah

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coffee88:

if it were enabled by default this would be windows

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dorel:

ok so nothing in /media/cdrom0 or /mnt

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dorel:

let me check about the hardware monitoring now

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scopeuk:

oh yay it apears that mythfilldatabase nolonger works on mine scicne upgrade

[17:00:54]

scopeuk:

oh well

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scopeuk:

one more thing on the sould probably fix that lift

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scopeuk:

list*

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dorel:

yeah it wasnt on

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dorel:

i now enabled it and re-ran mythfrtonend

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coffee88:

it may still need some more setup behind the scenes to work properly (?)...

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dorel:

hmm

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sphing:

Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client

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sphing:

eh?

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mlehrer:

version mismatch, iirc you can hack around it by modifying the password format or something like that

[17:04:34]

mlehrer:

google for that error message

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sphing:

yea i just found it on google.. what a pain

[17:04:59]

mlehrer:

just use sql server, don't waste time with that open sores stuff

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mlehrer:

jk

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dorel:

ok this is what im seeing

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dorel:

mediamonitor: adding /dev/hdd and adding /dev/fd0 and starting media monitor

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dorel:

right so it's not auto-mounting from what im seeing

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coffee88:

is this a dvd or music cd?

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dorel:

now that im thinking

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dorel:

in fstab it shows: /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauth 0 0

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dorel:

*noauto i mean, so maybe thats the problemn

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dorel:

it's a cdrom with an .avi file on it

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sphing:

ok .19 has some scheduling issues

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sphing:

because I certainly did not record 'body by jake

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sphing:

' informercials

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coffee88:

hee hee hee. Sure?!

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d64:

i think that's a feature.. that show being hardcoded

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sphing:

coffee... I'm POSITIVE

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coffee88:

maybe someone's trying to tell you something?

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sphing:

i hate Chutt :)

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sphing:

<3

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drdaz:

anybody here upgraded to ivtv 0.7.0 and found that myth just doesnt wanna do anything?

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xris:

sphing: strong words

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sphing:

lol... xris read above

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xris:

sphing: did it record them, or merely have them marked as recorded?

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sphing:

well its not the first time its done this... it records random shows weekly

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coffee88:

not here.

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drdaz:

coffee88: was that @ me?

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coffee88:

no sphing

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drdaz:

ahh kk

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drdaz:

heh I want somebody to talk to me :(

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xris:

sphing: never seen that happen here, either. you sure you don't have a search schedule or something set up that matches random stuff?

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coffee88:

drdaz: plants are good for that

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sphing:

I'm positive it happend the exact day after i upgraded from .18.1

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sphing:

then it happens randomly

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coffee88:

sphing: like "body"

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sphing:

probably pseudo-randomly, but I can figure it out

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drdaz:

coffee88: plants that talk...

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sphing:

I think Chutt is calling me fat

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drdaz:

where u find those?

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coffee88:

drdaz: all plants talk if you listen hard enough.

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drdaz:

coffee88: those plants u got... u should stop smoking them for a day or 2 :p

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coffee88:

you have to talk to plants or they die

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drdaz:

oO

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drdaz:

I thought that was watering

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coffee88:

so that's why my gf doesn't let me look after them....

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drdaz:

lol!

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d64:

i think i read somewhere that there's some truth to that talking has an effect on plants

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d64:

but they found any sound does just as well as talking

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xris:

d64: no. because rock music stunts their growth.

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coffee88:

didn't mythbusters do a slot on that once?

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drdaz:

there was a mythbusters experiment about it

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drdaz:

:p

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coffee88:

right. pub calls. and I promise not to talk to any trees on the way home. later all.

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sphing:

2006-03–23 07:40:12.201 RingBuf(/mnt/store/mythtv/recordings/1025_20060323074012.mpg): Invalid file (fd 20) when opening '/mnt/store/mythtv/recordings/1025_20060323074012.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

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sphing:

...when trying to watch livetv

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sphing:

but then it works...

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drdaz:

I'm getting this error: GetEntryAt(-1) failed when trying to watch tv..

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drdaz:

I'm not sure what to make of it tbh

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drdaz:

I've just upgraded my ivtv drivers, but that seems to not be the issue here since cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg produces a playable file

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drdaz:

more here: EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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drdaz:

anybody got any idea why my system is trying to go back in time for its programmes?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I had a similar problem when my tvtuner wasn't setup correctly in mythtv-setup..that error came every time I tried entering tv inside myth..it might not be related though

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drdaz:

it might be tho.. I'll give it a go

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laga:

i hear there are some bugs with 0.19 and livetv. maybe you wanna try to compile to fixes branch – svn.mythtv.org

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drdaz:

running fixes :)

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laga:

make sure to uninstall any mythtv packages :) on gentoo, there are already ebuilds

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laga:

drdaz: uh, never mind then :))

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drdaz:

:D

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** laga afk **

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sphing:

laga: for me, its that the mythbacked init script ran as mythtv which didnt have permissions to /dev/video

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sphing:

drdaz: are you running backend as root?

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drdaz:

yeah

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drdaz:

so that wont be it

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drdaz:

its been working fine til just now

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sphing:

-v all

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sphing:

pipe through more, theres gonna be some output

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drdaz:

I tried :-/

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drdaz:

will give it another look tho

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drdaz:

just running thru setup

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sphing:

phone interview... bbl

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drdaz:

boom

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drdaz:

Tuner was called Tuner 1 since the upgrade

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mishehu:

has anybody run into any gotchas with the 2.6.16 kernel with either the pvr250s or the pchdtv3ks ?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

mishehu: besides the trouble of actually getting ivtv-0.6 to work? :P running 2.6.16 with ivtv 0.6 and a pvr-500

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Sidereus:

Hi

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Sidereus:

is there anyone?

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

there is nobody

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Sidereus:

ok.... sorry for my bad english

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Sidereus:

I'd like some help

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kormoc:

Sidereus, you can start by just asking your questions, and if anyone knows the answer, they'll respond.

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Sidereus:

ok ^^

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Sidereus:

I haven't installed mythtv yet. I'm choosing a distribution

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Sidereus:

kormoc, can you suggest me ?

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Mobleman:

I'm trying to install it on ubuntu right now..

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d64:

if there's any distribution you know to any extent, use that

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Sidereus:

I know slackware

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kormoc:

Sidereus, so use slackware

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Sidereus:

gh

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Sidereus:

but....

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Sidereus:

with the dependencies

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Sidereus:

i read mythtv require many dep

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d64:

that's true for any distribution

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kormoc:

Sidereus, there's guides for Fedora Core 4, Ubuntu, Gentoo, and there's predone installs via knoppmyth if you want.

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Sidereus:

kormoc: which distribution are U using now?

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xris:

Sidereus: there are some mythtv users who use slackware.. I think GreyFoxx does, though he's likely not here (really busy at work lately)

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kormoc:

Sidereus, I use gentoo

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Sidereus:

ok, i think I'll use slackware

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Sidereus:

but there's an other problem

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Sidereus:

I have a Scaleo E Media Center

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Sidereus:

and

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jams:

The deps for slackware are nto hard to track down

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Sidereus:

the TV acquire card is an Hauppauge HVR 1300

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Sidereus:

I know the Hauppauge 1100 is supported

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Sidereus:

but I'm not sure about 1300

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Sidereus:

Do U know anything about my card?

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d64:

it's similar to the 1100 except has an encoder

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xris:

Sidereus: if you're going to have issues with that, you'll have issues no matter which distro you pick

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Sidereus:

of course...

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Sidereus:

This is more important

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d64:

you could maybe boot the computer with a livecd and see if you can get the card to work

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d64:

with just mplayer

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d64:

or similar

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d64:

before even getting involved with the distro and mythtv

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hashbang:

FC4 is pretty up-to-date, and following the mythology guide to get my two Nova-T cards was pretty easy.

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hashbang:

easier than getting knoppmyth working

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d64:

a page on the vdr wiki at least lists the hvr 1300 model.. so someone in the linux world has aknowledged it at least exists

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d64:

speaking of which, is anyone here using ati tvout

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simcop2387:

hmm i can't seem to figure out how i want to do this, my parents are finicky, i need to play 4:3 video stretched out to full screen with mplayer while still having 16:9 fill the screen (they've got an hdtv) too and have higher ratios (e.g. 21:9 or whatever is typical like that) play without being distorted

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hashbang:

simcop2387: myth has a zoom mode which does that

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hashbang:

simcop2387: obviously, there'll be bits missing

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simcop2387:

hashbang: the Internal player is working fine for recordings and everything, its avi's and things with mplayer i need to do this with... hmm

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hashbang:

ah, right

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simcop2387:

i might be able to do it with an external script provided i can find a way to get the aspect ratio of almost any video file

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phreekr:

hey guys, what do you think is the best distro for mythtv?

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armand:

whichever one you know

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armand:

any linux distro works.

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phreekr:

yea, was just wondering if one was easier to work with or something like that

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mlehrer:

heh what a subjective question. but the answer is ubuntu

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phreekr:

:)

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armand:

they're all easy, whichever one you know will of course be easiest

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phreekr:

i was thinkin about starting over and trying either unbuntu or debian

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phreekr:

i have everything working but i get 2 different channels and audio stopped working now

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phreekr:

actually sratch that, audio works, just not with my pvr-350

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Beirdo:

OK, that upgrading shite's done

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Beirdo:

now to dist-upgrade the rest

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Beirdo:

oh hell

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Beirdo:

gcc4?!

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Beirdo:

php4 is in universe.

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Beirdo:

how odd

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meushi:

Beirdo: upgrading to dapper?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

breezy

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meushi:

oh

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Beirdo:

from whorey

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Beirdo:

err hoary

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meushi:

heh

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lono:

Hey, So every other day or so, when I check out my upcoming recordings on mythweb, there are no entries anymore. Once I bounce mythbackend, everything is restored. There is nothing strange in the log. Is this a known bug in 0.19?

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mlehrer:

hmm i saw this yesterday when i was trying it

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phreekr:

how do i make the quality of my pvr-350 better? live tv quality sucks

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lono:

phreekr: you could run some filters on it

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phreekr:

how?

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lono:

Check out the mythtv docs on the denoise3d filter

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phreekr:

thanks

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lono:

exit

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lono:

shazbot

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phreekr:

how can i tell which device is my soundcard in /dev?

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phreekr:

or rather what device in /dev is my soundcard assigned to?

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scopeuk:

keep incrementing till it works?

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Sidereus:

ok, I finished downloading knoppmythtv

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** Beirdo gives a golf-clap **

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Sidereus:

I'll try with this

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Coume:

hiya

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bobbyz:

can the mythtranscode program be used to demux files that have already been transcoded into mpeg4? For some reason when I try to do this, it complains about an "Unknown video codec:"

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r10:

hi

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r10:

what is wrong when toggel "browserbel" have NO affect, I can see that the bin in the database are toggelt ?

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Igg-man:

Sometimes I get one way audio when using mythphone. Is there anything that I can do to fix that?

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DMJC:

how does mythtv do 16:9 stretch?

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DMJC:

can you do that in mplayer?

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DMJC:

I'm getting black bars on my widescreen tc

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DMJC:

*TV

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dtm:

DMJC: -aspect 16/9

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DMJC:

that just causes black bars to appear on top and bottom of screen

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DMJC:

4:3 is useless too

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DMJC:

I need 16:9 stretch

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DMJC:

which is a mode that mythtv has for tuner card video

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DMJC:

I need to use that in my normal video collection

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Beirdo:

vi rules

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xris:

DMJC: you don't mean 4:3 stretch?

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dasOp_:

vim does

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xris:

anyway, hit M while watching... go to the aspect ratio menu

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Beirdo:

vim just takes vi and makes it even better :)

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dasOp_:

well if you're used to vim, vi becomes lacking

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dasOp_:

but it does the job on systems that dont have vim

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

true

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dasOp_:

its not like you need all those features on systems that dont have vim

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Beirdo:

honestly, I almost always use vim

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Beirdo:

:sp kicks ass

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dasOp_:

and if you do type 'vi', you'll get vim in compatible mode

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Beirdo:

on many setups, yes

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xris:

Beirdo: what's sp do?

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meushi:

except if you disable compat in the config

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Beirdo:

splits the window and edits another file in the new part

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

ItI think control-q does the same thing

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Beirdo:

that's too emacs-like

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xris:

heh

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dasOp_:

bet you dont use cursor keys to move around eh? :P

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DMJC:

w00t

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Krazylegz:

Eww.

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DMJC:

xris: NO

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DMJC:

16:9 stretch

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DMJC:

the res is like 260:200

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DMJC:

works fine

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Beirdo:

about half the time I use cursor keys, half the time I don't

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DMJC:

13:10

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opello:

only in edit mode? :)

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DMJC:

mplayer can't change aspect on the fly can it?

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Krazylegz:

xris: Your minions are lazy.

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xris:

oh?

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xris:

I've been overworking kormoc lately

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Krazylegz:

xris: Doubtful. :-)

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xris:

I'm good at finding bugs

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Krazylegz:

How about the other minion?

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Mobleman:

:(! I can't install XML::Twig...

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xris:

Krazylegz: he sleeps a lot... ;)

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xris:

actually, he's pretty cool. very tedious

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Krazylegz:

You killed him!

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Krazylegz:

Cool.

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xris:

he doesn't like being a minion, though

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xris:

hey, is there anyone here willing to test out mythweb from the fixes branch?

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Krazylegz:

He wants to be the boss?

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xris:

nah, just doesn't like the term... heh.

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Krazylegz:

Haha.

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hashbang:

heya

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hashbang:

I've patched 0.19 with the dvb-t radio patchsets, rebuilt and installed – now, how do I get them to work? ;-)

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Spruit_elf:

how do i prevent mythtv from scaling every time i start the frontend?

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jams:

run at 800x600 (assuming your not using a -wide theme)

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beavis:

jams: but why does it scale on EVERY start? The scaled pictures are already there

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jams:

it's checking for updates

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jams:

the second scale should take less then a second, unless your time is way off, then is scales everytime

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mchou:

what's the minimum cpu required to play HDTV 1080i smoothly if you have nvidia XvMC?

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kormoc:

mchou, my 2.4 p4 worked fine, given the cpu hit (60%), I would say a 2.0 would do it fine as well.

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mchou:

the geode processors look like an interesting low power alternative

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mchou:

much better than via nehemiah

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mchou:

I'm almost tempted to try one

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Ryushin:

mchou: I can do HD using libmpeg2 using my Sempron64. XvMC has been giving me fits for a long time. I cannot get it to be smooth. I'm going build a frontend using the unichromepro chipset, and see if it works better than the nvidia. However, XvMC for SDTV works flawlessly.

[21:55:03]

mchou:

bah, there have been lots of complaints about how unichrome is a PITA :)

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Ryushin:

The Sempron64 is fairly low power, and the CPU fan that comes in the retail box is next to silent.

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Ryushin:

mchou: Well, I don't have much to loose. nvidia isn't cutting it for HD.

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jams:

unichrome pro is a PITA

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Ryushin:

I've only been able to find one motherboard that has DVI for a unichrome pro, and it only has one pci slot.

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mchou:

Ryushin: the highest geode proc consumes 14W

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mchou:

much lower than a sempron64 :)

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mchou:

Ryushin: what spd is your sepron64?

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mchou:

sempron*

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Ryushin:

mchou: True. I think the sempron64 when it's using it's thotteling will go down that low. The geode proc's are the vix/cyrix procs right?

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mchou:

nah, amd

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mchou:

socket A compatible

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Ryushin:

mchou: It's a 2600+, which runs at 1600 mhz, however, the chip has so much potential in it, overlocking it to 2ghz is common. Some people have gotten 2.6 ghz out of it.

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mchou:

asically amd's low end thoroughbred mobile proc with tweaks for power saving

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Ryushin:

The stock heat sink is cool to the touch when decoding HD.

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Ryushin:

If you really want to look at something, look at AMD's mobile chip that fits in a socket 754.

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mchou:

Ryushin: I have a amd64 3200+ that runs quiet and cool

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Ryushin:

It can run as high as 2.2 ghz.

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mchou:

bah, never have been a fan of overclocking. prefer stability :)

[22:01:15]

mchou:

and low power consumption, of course :)

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Ryushin:

I'm the same. It's the first chip I ever overclocked. And for $65.00, I thought why not give it a try.

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mchou:

Ryushin: what mobo for that sempron?

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Ryushin:

A super cheap chaintech for $43.

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Ryushin:

All from newegg.

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mchou:

I dont think the sempron 2600+ supports cool&quiet.....

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mchou:

only >=3000+ does, iirc

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Ryushin:

It doesn't. You need a 3000+ or emore.

[22:03:05]

mchou:

yeah. correct

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Ryushin:

But it runs nice and stable, it can do HD with libmpeg2 running 78% cpu if you optimize the compile.

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mchou:

Ryushin: I'm sprise you cant get that smooth......

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mchou:

surprised*

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mchou:

at what res is 78% util?

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mchou:

surely that's not 1080i?

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Ryushin:

I've invested probably 30 hours into messing with XvMC for HD content. I can get it to run perfect for SDTV, but there are always some little skip in HD that pisses me off.

[22:05:44]

Ryushin:

It was a 1080i recording, scaled to 720p for my Samsung DLP tv.

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mchou:

hmm, intersting

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Ryushin:

Oh, that's also bob interlaced as well.

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mchou:

so that was oc'ed, right?

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Ryushin:

Yea, running at 1940 mhz.

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mchou:

hmm....

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Ryushin:

Though you can get the 3000+ for about $110.

[22:07:08]

Ryushin:

If you need my compile options I can give them to you.

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mchou:

bah, I can get them cheaper than that

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d64:

looks like the backend crashed during recording.. any easy way to merge the two clips?

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mchou:

sure, shoot them over :)

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Ryushin:

yea, you're right, it's only $85.

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mchou:

so the sempron you got supports pni?

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mchou:

i.e. sse3?

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Ryushin:

Ummm... Not sure about that.

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mchou:

you compile with march=prescott? :)

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mchou:

cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell ya :)

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Ryushin:

Nope, jsut sse2.

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d64:

looks like even my p4 630 has pni on the flags

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mchou:

Ryushin: no pni flag?

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mchou:

Ryushin: if that's the case that's really too bad

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d64:

does that have a visible effect on encoding/decoding

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Ryushin:

yea, the pni flag is there.

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Beirdo:

why the hell would you -fomit-frame-pointer?

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Ryushin:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni lahf_lm

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mchou:

Ryushin: then I suggest you try arch=prescott :)

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xris:

Beirdo: I think I should start a pacojet fund....

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mchou:

YMMV. Dont blame me if your frontend crashes :)

[22:12:22]

Beirdo:

pacojet?

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xris:

.com

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xris:

world's most expensive ice cream machine. heh

[22:12:41]

mchou:

Ryushin: but it should bosst cpu a bit

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xris:

well, sort of ice cream machine on steroids.

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Beirdo:

heheh

[22:13:09]

xris:

I don't hear much about it anymore now that my wife isn't working as a pastry chef.

[22:13:11]

mchou:

anyway, bb in about 2 hrs.

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Ryushin:

Beirdo: It a was a suggestion from Daniel.

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xris:

only $3300. heh

[22:13:53]

xris:

could get a really nice tv for that price.

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Beirdo:

-fomit-frame-pointer gives dubious at best speedup, at the cost of destroying debuggability

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Ryushin:

Yea, but if I need to debug, then I'll remove the flag.

[22:15:21]

Ryushin:

I guess I can recompile without it and see what gives.

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Beirdo:

BTW, on some architectures (where it doesn't impact debugging), -O includes -fomit-frame-pointer

[22:16:51]

Beirdo:

but give it a try :)

[22:16:53]

Ryushin:

Any ideas on how to further optimize a P4-M 2.0 ghz? Trying to get HD on my laptop.

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Beirdo:

oh jeez

[22:17:08]

Beirdo:

good luck with that

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Ryushin:

I'm using arch pentium4m.

[22:17:55]

Ryushin:

I'm only running about 85% cpu now, but HD is still getting prebuffering pauses.

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Beirdo:

going home

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Ryushin:

It has a ATI video, so XvMC isn't an option.

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laga:

Ryushin: i suppose it's a frontend only. try to mount your ecording directory on your laptop, maybe with some spiffy rsize and wsize opts (mythtv docs, wiki) to enhance performance. remember to run mythtv-setup to set the RecordedFilePrefix

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kormoc:

Ryushin, -O2 might give you better options, -fomit-frame-pointer is a good one to use

[22:20:52]

Ryushin:

laga: You'll think I'll get better performance out of NFS than using the mythtv protocol?

[22:21:34]

Ryushin:

kormoc: Yea, I'm using fomit-frame-pointer as well.

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kormoc:

Ryushin, you can try -fprefetch-loop-arrays -ffast-math -fforce-addr -falign-functions=4 -funroll-loops -fstrict-aliasing -fexpensive-optimizations -force-mem -frerun-loop-opt -frerun-cse-after-loop

[22:22:28]

Ryushin:

Okay, let me put those in and lets see if there is any difference.

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kormoc:

all of them will trade off memory size for a possable slight speed gain

[22:23:19]

Ryushin:

Well, I have 1 GB in my laptop, so that shouldn't be a problem.

[22:23:20]

kormoc:

-funroll-loops is the bigest memory hog, usually using 2 to 20x the memory for a very very slight speed gain (usually 2 ops per loop)

[22:23:44]

kormoc:

Ryushin, not Ram, cpu cache memory usage :)

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laga:

Ryushin: yeah, at least it worked for me on my p3 450 – playback is smooth with nfs compared to stuttering playback with the mythtv protocol

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Ryushin:

laga: Okay, I'll give that a try.

[22:34:01]

laga:

Ryushin: :) i hope it helps

[22:34:15]

Ryushin:

Me too. Need to get HD on the laptop.

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atomjack:

I currently have myth set to use xine for mythvideo, but I am having a slight problem. After viewing a video, the focus on myth is a little messed up – i can still navigate the menu, like choosing other videos to play, and even going to the tv section and playing recorded programs, but other menu items don't work – for instance, escaping out of the main menu to bring up the exit from the frontend menu (with the three options -

[22:38:12]

laga:

do you run a window manager?

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atomjack:

KDE

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atomjack:

when i set mythvideo to use the internal player, i don't have this problem. But I wanna use xine as some of the videos I play have subtitle tracks and multiple audio tracks, with the internal player doesn't seem to support

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atomjack:

*which

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laga:

well, it should work fine. maybe you need to set some special focus things in KDE

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atomjack:

I'm not sure if it's a KDE problem, a myth problem, or a combination of the two...as I can still navigate the menus, just the ones like the exit part dont' work at all

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atomjack:

also, stuff like in the setup menus are the same way

[22:40:17]

atomjack:

i have to alt-tab to put focus back on mythfrontend even though it should already have focus (since i can navigate the other menus just fine)

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atomjack:

hmm

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atomjack:

ohhh wait

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atomjack:

i found something

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atomjack:

http://svn.wilsonet.com/projects/mythtvology/ticket/95

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atomjack:

nope, that didnt work

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atomjack:

argh

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atomjack:

ah i'll just use the tip that's on jarod'spage

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Spruit_elf:

mythweb keeps complaining about db vars not set correctly, but i triple checked every thing including modules and apache config etc anyone got an idea how to debug this?

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Kelerion:

look in .htaccess

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Mobleman:

http://pastebin.com/618933 <- What to do? I'm trying to compile MythTV..

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atomjack:

argh that didnt work either

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Spruit_elf:

Kelerion: double checked that to, im running apache2 +php5

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atomjack:

is anyone able to get DVB to work on the latest SVN? it seems to be broken

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Kelerion:

sounds like .htaccess isn't being read then.. so try adding "AllowOverride All" to your mythweb directory in apache2.conf

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Kelerion:

or "AllowOverride <whatever-the-docs-recommend>"

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atomjack:

mobleman:looks like you are trying to use xv and it's not installed or setup right

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Spruit_elf:

Kelerion: nope did that already didnt work either

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xris:

Spruit_elf: read the readme in the fixes branch.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Spruit_elf: try paste-bin'ing the exact errors..just in case :)

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Kelerion:

no idea then.. but I suspect your htaccess ain't being read for some reason

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xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README

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Spruit_elf:

http://pastebin.com/618959

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xris:

Spruit_elf: either mod_env isn't set up, or AllowOverride is wrong

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xris:

follow the readme link I pasted above. I clarified a lot of stuff from what was in the .19 release.

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Mobleman:

atomjack: Maybe.. :S

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Kelerion:

xris makes things sound so simple.. I wish I'd have phrased it like that.. lol

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xris:

Kelerion: I did write the thing.. and answer that question a LOT these days. :)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Spruit_elf:

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Spruit_elf:

68 Options FollowSymLinks

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Spruit_elf:

69 AllowOverride All

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Spruit_elf:

70 </Directory>

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Spruit_elf:

that i got

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Spruit_elf:

in my apache conf

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xris:

Spruit_elf: please don't flood like that

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Spruit_elf:

and also load module mod_env

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Kelerion:

it all just worked here... and to be honest I didn't read all the readme.. just the allowoverride, the mod_env.. and setup .htaccess – I don't know if there are usually any other issues but that alone worked for me

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xris:

that looks correct, though

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xris:

Spruit_elf: restarted apache?

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Spruit_elf:

already did x times

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Spruit_elf:

im on gentoo

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Kelerion:

anything wierd in apaches startup logs? about modules not loading etc?

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Spruit_elf:

no errors

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Kelerion:

no idea then.. that should work

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defi_:

any ideas why mplayer will output in widescreen to a 46" tv but xine wont?

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Spruit_elf:

OMG i found it

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Kelerion:

wtg

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Spruit_elf:

apparantly gentoo uses a normal httpd.conf so i did set up every thing correctly, not looking at the last line that says include extra config for vhost, since i dont use that and i assumed that it only sets something for vhost i didnt look at it, but apparantly it sets everything to overide none, which seems pretty dumb to me since thats already set in httpd.conf

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Spruit_elf:

well it works now

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Fredde87-:

Im a bit confused about the autoexpire function. Will it autodelete stuff I have recorded or just stuff that I have watched which it has saved by its own?

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bobbyz:

can the mythtranscode program be used to demux files that have already been transcoded into mpeg4? For some reason when I try to do this, it complains about an "Unknown video codec:" Or are there any other programs that can split apart the video and audio from a nuppel container into two different fifos?

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Fredde87-:

Because I dont want it to delete my movie archive, I just want it to autodelete the 100gb of old crap which it has recorded when I have left it on

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xris:

bobbyz: you can't split apart myth's nupplevideo files without reencoding because of AV sync issues

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xris:

Fredde87-: it will auto-delete the livetv group FIRST... and if it still needs disk space , it'll start deleting normal recordings marked as autoexpire

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bobbyz:

xris: hmm...actually I'm trying to re-encode to x264. The problem is that mencoder's muxers don't handle bframes from x264, so I'm trying to find a way to pipe the video stream into the x264 program, the audio stream into a separate mp3 and then re-mux them into matroska or something.

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xris:

bobbyz: nuvexport

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xris:

or myth2ipod

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xris:

(which uses nuvexport)

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bobbyz:

hmm...I'll look into nuvexport then

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xris:

I don't think anyone's given me an x264 encoder plugin for nuvexport, but the code should be there to hook it up, so please feel free to send me a patch

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Fredde87-:

xris thanks, is it possible to turn of the auto expire on normal recordings?

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xris:

Fredde87-: yeah, pretty sure it's off by default.

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bobbyz:

is nuvexport a frontend/shell script to other tools like transcode, or is it a separate code base?

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Fredde87-:

ok good, thanks :)

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xris:

it's configured in the recording script

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xris:

bobbyz: perl wrapper to ffmpeg, transcode and/or mencoder

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bobbyz:

ahh, ok well I'll take a look at it then and if I modify for x264 support I'll send you the result

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xris:

Fredde87-: er, meant to say "recording profile"

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Fredde87-:

do I have to edit some menu to add the plugins? Ive installed all of them but they are not showing up

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