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Wednesday, March 22nd, 2006, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:11] achew22: is there a keystroke to open a new console window
[00:01:38] kormoc: achew22, in what?
[00:01:40] achew22: ohh — i'm in REAL console mode... can I open another window of it
[00:01:51] kormoc: Ryushin, in the preview or the full screen?
[00:01:55] achew22: X isn't running
[00:01:59] kormoc: achew22, crtl alt f2 to f6
[00:02:04] achew22: sweet
[00:02:05] achew22: thankyou
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[00:05:54] Ryushin: kormac: Full screen.
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[00:06:46] Ryushin: I set up my laptop to be a frontend, and the display is a pit wierd. Plays smooth, except for HD, but I'll work on that later.
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[00:07:06] Krazylegz: http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?& . . . mp;refer=eml seems like a good deal.
[00:08:13] Ryushin: Krazylegz: I have the PVR-350 card, and that remote does not look like that one that I have.
[00:08:58] Ryushin: Why not look at the 150 instead?
[00:09:15] Ryushin: You can get it for 80 something from newegg with a remote.
[00:10:37] kormoc: Krazylegz, yeah, the 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and able to do more
[00:12:32] Ryushin: krazylegz: If DVI isn't critical, I would look at one of the unichromepro motherboards for about $50 from newegg as well. Though it only would have 3 pci slots, eveything else is integrated.
[00:12:57] Ryushin: kormoc: Any idea on the inverted colors?
[00:13:43] kormoc: Ryushin, not really. Anything odd in your x log?
[00:15:23] Ryushin: nope, all looks clean. I've been googling for awhile, and I just came across something about setting the hue to 50%. Any idea where I would do that?
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[00:16:35] Krazylegz: Ryushin: The 350 has an MPEG decoder too, but thanks for the other tips.
[00:18:29] Ryushin: Krazylegz: True. And I've never used it because it onlys works though the 350. I thought it would somehow off load the decoding to the card and pass it though the video card, but that doesn't happen.
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[00:21:33] Krazylegz: Ryushin: Yeah, that's why I have one too. I don't use the decoding side.
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[00:23:57] Ryushin: Just though then that the 150 would be a better value. Are you just looking for another recording card? The 150 or the 500 would probably be the better choice.
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[00:24:26] kormoc: Krazylegz, nvidia cards have decoding via XvMC
[00:24:31] DMJC: anyone got mythburn?
[00:25:14] Krazylegz: Ryushin: I'm not looking for one, I already have one. :-)
[00:25:25] Beirdo: that must be what you get after eating mythpeppers
[00:25:27] Krazylegz: I thought someone here might be looking for one.
[00:25:33] Krazylegz: kormoc: Good point.
[00:26:07] feld: anyone elsehaving issues with the 0.19 9163 version? Whenever I am recording a TV show and drop out to the menu it aborts the recording. Is there a fix for this?
[00:27:31] kormoc: feld, that's how live tv is, I beleive that if you hit R or another key, it turns it into a scheduled recording. Check the keys.txt file
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[00:28:31] feld: kormoc: nooooo
[00:28:38] feld: I mean watching a scheduled recording
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[00:29:23] feld: either by the Watch menu and going to the show that is currently recording, or by choosing to watch TV while it records
[00:30:21] feld: Any time there's a TV show that is SET to record (my gf has many) and you hop out to the main menu to do something else, it auto aborts that recording. She discovered this bug this week as the reason why she was losing recordings.
[00:30:23] kormoc: feld, never had that issue, that's odd.
[00:30:53] feld: it's very odd and annoying
[00:31:10] feld: it never did this in 0.19 regular
[00:31:33] feld: but 0.19 regular crashes consistently. This revision does not.
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[00:33:57] Ryushin: kormoc: That was it. The Hue is set to 0% by default. Do you know if it will remember the setting on reboot, or is there some place I can make it perminate?
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[00:35:03] Ryushin: Does mythtv support SSE2 extensions? I'll need to optimize my compile options if I hope to get HD to playback on a P4-M 2 Ghz.
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[00:36:36] feld: Ryushin: the SSE2 extensions are probably USABLE, but unsupported by mythtv
[00:37:07] feld: I know gentoo strips down mythtv to be very, very sane (which is a good thing... no need for bug reports from ricers...)
[00:37:09] kormoc: Ryushin, If you set them via the database it should work fine
[00:37:48] Ryushin: Okay. I'll look through the database. Will it have settings for each frontend?
[00:37:57] kormoc: I think it's per channel
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[00:38:24] Ryushin: Oh, then that might mess up the frontend that's connected to the TV. Wife won't like that.  :)
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[00:38:37] kormoc: ooh, hrm.
[00:38:45] Ryushin: I guess I can do it manually, since it's not that big of a deal, and it only take a few seconds.
[00:38:58] Ryushin: Just like to do things right.  :)
[00:39:40] Ryushin: Anyone have their compile options for a P4-M?
[00:40:57] mchou: ./configure ought to do it
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[00:41:51] Ryushin: mchou: Well, I really need to nail it right if I'm going to get HD playback to work. I'm borderline right now on 2.0 ghz.
[00:42:08] mchou: ./configure will nail it
[00:42:57] Ryushin: mchou: I had to specify specific options for my sempron 64 in order to get libmpeg to play back under software. Configure didn't set it well enough without specifics.
[00:43:34] kormoc: Ryushin, ./configure --arch=blah should do itr
[00:44:01] mchou: Ryushin: you insist on being dense
[00:44:22] mchou: ./configure --help tells you all you need to know
[00:45:07] Ryushin: mcouch: Okay, I guess I should be more specific. Just running ./configure doesn't optimize it. less configure gave me all the options I needed last time, so I'll just do it again.
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[00:52:05] DMJC: is it possible to change the layout of the video browser/gallery?
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[00:52:40] iMx: yeah Media Settings -> Video Settings
[00:52:50] iMx: gallery, browser or listing if i remember
[00:53:07] DMJC: I want to combine browser/gallery modes
[00:53:17] iMx: hows ya coding?
[00:53:22] DMJC: so as you browse down it becomes a gallery
[00:53:23] DMJC: heh
[00:53:26] DMJC: what language?
[00:53:36] DMJC: is it hardcoded in C?
[00:53:40] DMJC: or is it a script?
[00:53:43] ** iMx shrugs **
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[00:54:09] kormoc: DMJC, likely C
[00:54:44] DMJC: can we assign extra metadata to files?
[00:54:56] DMJC: eg can I tell mythtv that a certain file is an anime
[00:55:00] DMJC: another file is a tv series
[00:55:01] DMJC: etc
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[00:55:55] DMJC: it's just that my video gallery is huge now
[00:56:08] kormoc: DMJC, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ery?rev=9450
[00:56:15] DMJC: and the list is sorted by directory which is pretty bad for me
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[00:57:06] DMJC: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . deo?rev=9450
[00:57:10] DMJC: this would be the right area
[00:57:28] Fredde87: what would happen if I manually load an xmltv file into myth and then delete it after it is loaded? Will myth have imported everything and carry on or will the EPG become empty?
[00:57:29] kormoc: oops, yeah, wrong link
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[01:00:22] DMJC: hmm 5x5 view not so bad
[01:00:23] DMJC: can you make mythtv generate thumbnails of films?
[01:01:05] achew22: get them off of imdb...
[01:01:56] achew22: the other option is to make them yourself with printscreen — or write a program to take the thumbnail...
[01:02:12] achew22: to my knowlege it doesn't know how to parse out a frame and turn it into a thumbnail
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[01:15:48] cubicool: Does anyone have a copy of the wischip7007 SDK package?
[01:15:52] cubicool: (the website is down)
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[01:18:14] Ryushin: OKay, the compile options did the trick for cpu usage. Now I just have to fix the dreaded "prebuffering pause".
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[01:36:51] sphing: anyone here use gentoo?
[01:37:05] sphing: better question, anyone use gentoo and emerge ivtv?
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[01:41:22] sean33: hi
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[01:42:28] sean33: when myth frondend starts up it says joystic disabled how do i make it enabled ?
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[01:44:28] DMJC: I'm trying to configure mythgame for snes emulation unsuccessfully
[01:44:48] sean33: DMJC me too
[01:45:17] sean33: im also getting errors in the log when starting liveTV RingBuf(/mnt/store/2_20060322124412.mpg): Invalid file (fd 16) when opening '/mnt/store/2_20060322124412.mpg
[01:45:35] DMJC: it can't find my roms
[01:46:20] sean33: i have mine finding roms but they dont work
[01:47:02] sean33: DMJC check your rom directory permitions
[01:47:21] DMJC: w00t
[01:47:24] DMJC: I did it!
[01:47:26] DMJC: hmm
[01:47:33] DMJC: now how do i make zsnes quit using my remote?
[01:47:41] sean33: scan for roms
[01:48:35] sean33: my livetv locks up after a few mins
[01:49:10] sean33: getting a heap of "rebuffering" in the logs
[01:55:06] sean33: could do with some help
[01:55:13] sean33: if any one is awake
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[02:13:05] hadees: so I just update ivtv to version 4.2, my dmesg is showing no errors, I currently have the debug level set to 2 however my pvr 150 cards are not working but my pvr250, I see no reason why this is. Here is my dmesg, http://pastebin.ca/46558
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[02:20:17] ftp3: I want to copy one of my dvds onto the "videos" area so I dont have to get up and put in a dvd when i want to watch it, but when i rip it it just shows a bunch of vob type files...
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[02:21:49] ftp3: is it possible to rip it to just one file called "videoname" so I can easily watch it?
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[02:27:10] gb4: hello... i'm trying to configure the live tv and a "prebuffer wait timed out.." message apeear and the frontend freeze intermittently
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[02:28:29] gb4: i follow up the Troubleshooting audio howto... but when i run xawtv and aplay /dev/dsp all works ok
[02:28:31] Cowman: hey, I'm having a problem with sound. Sound does work on my system, I can play video from my capture card in mplayer and I do hear sound. However, in myth I see video but I get no sound. I tried hitting ] to increase the volume but no dice. what could be wrong?
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[02:32:50] imperfect-: Anone know if gentoo makes sense for mythtv?
[02:32:53] netrix: anyone have a hauppage card and bttv in the same system?
[02:33:03] netrix: imperfect-: sure, lots of howtos out there for it too.
[02:33:05] imperfect-: and is running the backend/frontend on the same machine a problem
[02:34:05] D-side: imperfect-: if gentoo makes sense to its user, sure.
[02:34:36] imperfect-: well
[02:34:42] imperfect-: I've got the nvidia driver readme printed out
[02:34:52] imperfect-: I really really want my HDTV to work ;)
[02:40:36] gb4: i read tons of post in the mailinglist archive but appear not a specific cause from this issue
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[02:50:11] Daluv: is there a way to change the name of a save program like 1025_20060321212000.mpg to something like PROGRAM-NAME-DATE-TIME.mpg?
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[02:50:50] imperfect-: Is it realistic to save recorded programs over the network?
[02:50:54] imperfect-: If it's 100mbits?
[02:51:14] Daluv: I am currently doing this
[02:51:39] imperfect-: Anyone know if there is a gaim plugin for MythTV
[02:51:40] imperfect-: ;)
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[02:52:12] Daluv: imperfect-: yes but I dont the BW requirement for HD.
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[02:54:25] hadees: hello
[02:57:30] Daluv: Does the recorded program filename can be customized with mythtv?
[02:57:48] Daluv: cant found nothing on google about that.
[02:59:27] hadees: Daluv, no
[02:59:58] hadees: although i am not 100% positive but it would be very new if you could
[03:00:48] Daluv: I am a bit surprise.. how can you manage those file ?
[03:01:15] Daluv: those name are pretty useless in a shell :)
[03:01:16] hadees: Daluv, why would you need to manage them?
[03:01:17] feld: Daluv: why would you need to manage those files?
[03:01:22] hadees: hehe
[03:01:36] feld: jinx hadees !
[03:01:38] Daluv: well to sort it out in diff folder, to make it easy for my gf to watch what she want.
[03:01:52] feld: Daluv: why is she not using mythfrontend to watch the shows?
[03:02:22] hadees: Daluv, if your gf can use shell i think she will manage, however if she can't the frontend works best
[03:02:26] feld: Mythfrontend has the conections to the database so it knows all the info about each recording ....
[03:02:29] Daluv: my setup is a bit weird: xbox -> PC(back) -> NSLU2( storage )
[03:02:46] Daluv: I am using xbmc to watch the show on the xbox..
[03:02:52] hadees: Daluv, yeah but still why do you need to split them up?
[03:03:08] hadees: can't she just find them, it is easy to find shows in the frontend after they are recorded
[03:03:27] Daluv: xmbc uses samba and sorting files in diff folder would make easier to found what you wanna watch.
[03:04:00] Daluv: maybe I am unclear about my setup. Is it clear?
[03:04:08] feld: it's clear, but a crazy setup
[03:04:18] feld: if wouldn't bother using mythtv for that
[03:04:28] Daluv: well, on a budget setup I guess
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[03:04:36] Daluv: feld what would you use?
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[03:04:58] feld: if I were you I'd setup cron jobs and scripts to record the TV shows and name them accordingly within the scripts.
[03:05:22] Daluv: feld: well, she uses the TV guide to record shit
[03:05:24] Daluv: I do too.
[03:05:41] hadees: isn't there a mythtv frontend that runs on xbox, i don't mean on a linux xbox either
[03:06:00] Daluv: hadees: yes
[03:06:00] hadees: although if your only using your xbox for media you could just install mythtv
[03:06:22] D-side: xbmcmythtv is an xbox media center script that mostly works.
[03:06:28] D-side: its fine for playback.
[03:06:43] hadees: so it doesn't show the names of the shows
[03:06:46] Daluv: D-side: it doesnt seem to work with 0.19 :(
[03:06:49] D-side: not a whole lot more :) (and so far, I haven't gotten 0.19 to go with it)
[03:06:55] Daluv: really?
[03:06:56] D-side: hadees: sure it does.
[03:07:08] hadees: Daluv, well then use that
[03:07:17] Daluv: hadees: I am already
[03:07:23] D-side: Daluv: mysql .conn problems?
[03:07:29] Daluv: but I wanna the info in the filename
[03:07:36] Daluv: D-side: well the test work :/
[03:07:49] D-side: mine doesnt. heh
[03:07:52] D-side: latest cvs here.
[03:08:32] feld: should put linux on the xbox... not like its a worth gaming machine anyway... hehe
[03:08:38] feld: *worthy
[03:09:16] Daluv: oh
[03:09:27] Daluv: D-side: I got a Protocol version error
[03:09:35] D-side: oh how nice, cvs is back up on sourceforge.
[03:09:40] Daluv: D-side: but it is not the cvs version
[03:10:04] D-side: Daluv: if you're trying to use the xbmcmythtv version 0.18.2 with mythtv 0.19, you should rtfm
[03:10:09] Daluv: feld: yeah I should
[03:10:21] Daluv: D-side: I know... I am not that ignorant.
[03:10:54] D-side: so then theres an xbmcmythtv 0.19.1 ?
[03:11:08] Daluv: think not.
[03:11:32] D-side: actually, theres a 0.19
[03:11:36] D-side: that i was unaware of, no kidding.
[03:11:45] D-side: let me grab that and see if that does anything
[03:11:46] Daluv: jus tnoticed that too
[03:11:54] Daluv: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128346
[03:12:00] ** Daluv update his crap **
[03:12:44] Daluv: I am also looking for a console frontend. Is there such a thing?
[03:13:15] Daluv: ncurses based could be ok :/
[03:13:16] D-side: uh. well, iirc 0.19 lets you telnet to it :)
[03:13:26] Daluv: yeah it does :)
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[03:14:37] Daluv: D-side: do you know how to add a button on the main xbmc screen like MyTV ?
[03:15:03] Daluv: sick of going in the file thing and then launch the oython script.
[03:15:36] D-side: Daluv: why dont you read the README file in the xbmcmythtv directory?
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[03:16:28] adam613: i have a dumb question
[03:16:41] adam613: how do i get linux not to blank the screen out when i dont press any keys for 5 mins?
[03:16:43] adam613: (gentoo)
[03:16:54] Daluv: D-side: uhm I tried that.. doesnt work for me.
[03:17:03] Daluv: will do it again.
[03:17:46] feld: adam613: xorg.conf needs some settings
[03:18:03] feld: let me snag mine for u
[03:18:16] Daluv: D-side: maybe it is the theme I am using.
[03:18:39] adam613: i can edit my file. any idea what the setting is called?
[03:18:47] feld: adam613: yes
[03:18:54] feld: its 8 lines, let me pastebin it
[03:19:22] feld: http://sh.nu/p/1372
[03:19:29] feld: enjoy
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[03:19:40] adam613: thx
[03:20:03] D-side: ugh. this shit again. afk
[03:20:45] Daluv: D-side: uhm you got 0.19 to work? mlodule object bla bla?
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[03:24:03] hadees: okay so i moved along in my problem, it seems that ivtv 4.2 makes my pvr-150s go all static but there aren't any errors in the dmesg
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[03:24:31] defaultro: good evening
[03:24:44] defaultro: Is Captain Murdoch around?
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[03:28:34] Daluv: D-side: still alive? I am now getting a Default skin error..
[03:28:43] Daluv: after fixing that debug error
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[03:30:17] gb4: hello... i'm trying to configure the live tv and a "prebuffer wait timed out.." message apeear and the frontend freeze intermittently
[03:30:22] gb4: i follow up the Troubleshooting audio howto... but when i run xawtv and aplay /dev/dsp all works ok
[03:32:45] hadees: where is ivtvdriver.org hosted? i think it is down
[03:33:33] StringBlade: ivtvdriver.org works for me
[03:34:20] hadees: really? thats really strange, then there must be a problem with some computer in the middle of me and the servetr
[03:35:02] hadees: i don't seem to be having any problems except getting to that website and downloading from it
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[03:36:18] hadees: StringBlade, would you do me a favor? download ivtv-0.4.3.tar.gz and upload somewhere or email it to me?
[03:36:49] StringBlade: any suggestions on where that "somewhere" might be?
[03:37:02] StringBlade: or pm me your email
[03:37:18] adam613: try grabbing it from one of the gentoo mirrors
[03:38:20] hadees: adam613, it isn't up there
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[03:39:47] ** Beirdo is capturing VHS -> mythtv right now :) **
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[03:40:28] hadees: hope this version has a fix for whatever is broken, my pvr-150s worked fine with ivtv 3.9 mins before i upgraded to 4.2
[03:40:32] hadees: now nothing but static
[03:40:36] Netslayer: how do i turn off the fade in and out in current svn?
[03:40:45] Beirdo: so why the hell did you upgrade, hadees?
[03:40:48] Netslayer: when in the menus
[03:41:28] Beirdo: these people that fix what ain't broken
[03:41:36] hadees: Beirdo, well i had some other issues where mythtv records seemed to speed up randomly for like 10 seconds
[03:41:37] BigPeteB: Is there anyone here who works on the Gentoo myth ebuilds?
[03:41:51] Beirdo: Cardoe, you'd better hide
[03:42:00] Beirdo: ah
[03:42:06] Netslayer: how do i save a channels aspect ratios setting, i'm having to do it manually each time i change channels
[03:42:07] BigPeteB: If so, they should know that the ebuild fails on a fresh install, and it tries to add the mythtv user to a non-existant plugdev group
[03:42:14] feld: hadees: uhhh did you delete your devices and readd them?
[03:42:18] Beirdo: Netslayer, there is a command-line option to tell it not to do the OpenGL fading
[03:42:23] feld: its probably not looking at the correct recording input anymore
[03:42:32] Netslayer: Beirdo, compile option :-/ ?
[03:42:37] Beirdo: I'm sure it's in the commit messages somewhere, if not, read the code
[03:42:40] Beirdo: command-line
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[03:42:45] Beirdo: not compile
[03:42:50] Netslayer: Beirdo, auh ok thanks
[03:42:52] hadees: feld, yeah i did
[03:43:01] Netslayer: i also found a nice bug in the mythtv-setup channel editor
[03:43:02] feld: hadees: well sucky for you ;)
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[03:43:09] Beirdo: also a way to disable it in the settings database
[03:43:14] Netslayer: the channel priority gives a bad sql query
[03:43:15] hadees: feld, really, the worst part is dmesg shows no errors
[03:43:25] Beirdo: that's what I did as my machine will NEVER be doing OpenGL with this card
[03:43:28] hadees: even when i change the debug level
[03:43:49] Netslayer: Beirdo, mine is working but the fade in/out time is way too slow
[03:43:58] Beirdo: heh
[03:44:06] Beirdo: it took me a minute to go to the media menu
[03:44:09] Netslayer: and it's like a g4 mx440, can't be that bad
[03:44:11] thomasd: does avimanager have to be set up separately in mythtv, mythweb works fine for me but i can not login to avimanager
[03:44:16] Netslayer: Beirdo, wow
[03:44:19] Beirdo: so I shut off the OpenGL fading
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[03:44:43] Beirdo: un-frigging-usable unless you have an nvidia card, I think
[03:44:44] skone: im running the latest release of knoppmyth
[03:45:01] Netslayer: Beirdo, it's not usable for me and i have an extremly common card
[03:45:08] skone: and when I did: "htpasswd /var/www/htdigest mythtv" and changed my password, I am unable to access mythweb anymore
[03:45:10] skone: any ideas?
[03:45:15] Beirdo: Geforce4 MX440 is pretty wussie
[03:45:18] Netslayer: Beirdo, plus it's running on a 3200 64 amd
[03:45:34] Beirdo: and are you sure that it's using the GPU for OpenGL, not the CPU?
[03:45:42] Netslayer: Beirdo, heh, isn't that what most people still use? like a 5200 fx is that much faster
[03:45:54] Beirdo: it is
[03:45:58] Beirdo: much faster
[03:46:05] Beirdo: and much more programmable
[03:46:10] Netslayer: huh
[03:46:13] Beirdo: more importantly
[03:46:20] Netslayer: well when i get my projector i need a new dvi card, prob get a 6200
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[03:46:26] Beirdo: the GPU on the FX5200 is more programmable by far
[03:46:48] Beirdo: anyways, what does glxinfo say?
[03:46:54] StringBlade: Netslayer: if you get a PNY 6200 it has a component out dongle that works in linux
[03:47:02] StringBlade: too bad PNY makes sucky fans
[03:47:18] Netslayer: StringBlade, oh cool. i'm hoping for the dvi route
[03:47:24] StringBlade: it's got DVI too
[03:47:34] Beirdo: if you see something like
[03:47:39] Beirdo: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[03:47:40] Beirdo: OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4
[03:47:42] StringBlade: though my experience is that DVI has worse dark levels than component
[03:47:45] Beirdo: you aren't using the GPU
[03:48:03] Netslayer: Beirdo, let me check
[03:48:24] phar0e: anyone here got a GF 7800?
[03:48:33] ** Netslayer nods **
[03:48:43] skone: im running the latest release of knoppmyth
[03:48:46] skone: and when I did: "htpasswd /var/www/htdigest mythtv" and changed my password, I am unable to access mythweb anymore
[03:48:50] skone: any ideas?
[03:48:56] StringBlade: did I read correctly the 0.19 release provides functionality to play VIDEO_TS.VOB files now from DVDs that are ripped straight to disk (no compresion or transcoding)?
[03:49:21] Beirdo: I believe so, StringBlade
[03:49:44] StringBlade: Beirdo: I'm seeing the video manager find my movie sub-directories correctly, but when I try to play nothing happens
[03:49:58] StringBlade: do I have to switch to xine instead of mplayer to play them?
[03:50:04] Beirdo: Internal
[03:50:41] hadees: damn ivtv 4.3 didn't fix the problem, here is my dmesg http://pastebin.ca/46560 incase there is something i am overlooking
[03:52:25] StringBlade: Internal?
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[03:53:17] Beirdo: yes, you need to use "Internal" as the video player
[03:53:22] Beirdo: not mplayer, not xine
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[03:53:31] Beirdo: the code's in mythtv, not mplayer or xine :)
[03:53:32] Beirdo: heh
[03:53:45] Beirdo: make sure to write down the current setting so you can switch back
[03:54:06] StringBlade: funny thing is I hacked up 0.18 to get exactly this functionality
[03:54:17] StringBlade: I still have the code changes backed up
[03:54:43] StringBlade: so maybe I could just do a diff — but I'm guessing it changed a fair amount as to make that exercise useless
[03:55:07] Beirdo: probably so
[03:55:25] StringBlade: I was just thinking that VIDEO_TS.VOB is usually the first VOB that loads the menu and such
[03:55:31] StringBlade: but mplayer doesn't handle menus
[03:55:33] StringBlade: does it?
[03:55:35] Netslayer: Beirdo, OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X/AGP/SSE2
[03:55:39] Netslayer: Beirdo, no mesa
[03:55:46] Beirdo: Netslayer, good
[03:55:47] Beirdo: :)
[03:55:52] StringBlade: only xine and something else does
[03:55:55] Netslayer: it's still twice as slow as i want
[03:56:10] Beirdo: StringBlade, use the "Internal" player to use that code
[03:56:17] StringBlade: oh
[03:56:32] StringBlade: I didn't realize there was another player...you mean the new "built-in" DVD player
[03:56:34] StringBlade: ?
[03:56:41] Beirdo: sigh
[03:56:45] StringBlade: sorry
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[03:56:48] StringBlade: it's late here
[03:56:48] Netslayer: regards to menu opengl: "If it was 0, less people would test it so we wouldn't find as many bugs. In the future there will be a setting on the frontend for this."
[03:56:56] Beirdo: go to the mythvideo settings screen
[03:57:02] Beirdo: where it says mplayer...
[03:57:14] Beirdo: write that value down in case you want to switch back
[03:57:22] Beirdo: then change it to "Internal"
[03:57:26] StringBlade: right
[03:57:28] StringBlade: ok
[03:57:34] StringBlade: no parameters
[03:57:36] Beirdo: it will use the same code as mythtv uses to play recordings
[03:57:48] Beirdo: and as far as I know, that's where that DVD support was added
[03:57:53] StringBlade: gotcha
[03:57:58] StringBlade: thanks for your patience :)
[03:58:07] Squidy: hi,, i want to run xine from command line to watch a movies.. but the subtitles show me so small.. can someone here can tell me how i set the subtitles size in command line?
[03:58:08] Beirdo: if it doesn't work, switch it back to mplayer or xine :)
[03:58:11] Beirdo: not a prob
[03:58:18] Beirdo: Squidy, man xine
[03:58:43] Beirdo: or however else they document
[03:58:52] Netslayer: Beirdo, do you remember around what the filename was that had that commandline setting?
[03:59:01] Beirdo: nope
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[03:59:26] StringBlade: Squidy: xinehq.de -> Documentation
[03:59:32] Beirdo: sorry...
[03:59:37] Squidy: ok.. thx
[03:59:40] Beirdo: I just tweaked my DB
[03:59:50] Netslayer: "Message:
[03:59:50] Netslayer: Temporary setting 'UseOpenGLPainter' which can be overridden on the commandline to disable the opengl painter and use the Qt one instead. "
[04:00:07] Netslayer: Beirdo..it's in the db
[04:00:08] Beirdo: insert into settings (value,data,hostname) values ('UseOpenGLPainter', 0, 'myth');
[04:00:15] Netslayer: heh that works thanks
[04:00:28] Beirdo: replace the 'myth' with the hostname of your frontend as seen in the other settings
[04:00:32] Netslayer: yup
[04:00:42] Beirdo: works great for me
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[04:01:21] Netslayer: how about this one: i can't find the jump sec amount setting in the playback menus anymore. It looks to be set to 10 minutes..way too much for my liking
[04:02:21] Beirdo: I think it's in the profiles now
[04:02:35] Beirdo: I haven't bothered to fix mine either since that change
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[04:03:37] imperfect-: is ubuntu
[04:03:46] hadees: does anyone know what the tuner number is for the pvr250 and the pvr150 mce, i am having trouble figuring it out in the tuner.h file
[04:04:47] Beirdo: hadees: they have used many different tuner numbers
[04:04:53] Beirdo: let tveeprom find it for you
[04:05:23] Beirdo: if you have the eeprom module (for I2C eeproms) inserted, that could cause issues inserting tveeprom
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[04:06:26] hadees: Beirdo, wouldn't that show up as errors in dmesg? because I am getting no errors
[04:06:39] Beirdo: one would think so
[04:06:46] Beirdo: anyways, I gotta go to bed
[04:06:49] hadees: also my pvr250 returned all static when i installed 4.3
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[04:13:20] scottder: What do you have to do to extend your DataDirect status subscription?
[04:13:51] BigPeteB: Log in at http://labs.zap2it.com/ and it will prompt you to extend it.
[04:13:54] Netslayer: scottder, two weeks before it expires u get an email and a link shows up on zap2it
[04:13:59] Netslayer: very simple
[04:14:04] BigPeteB: (I never get an e-mail...
[04:14:05] BigPeteB: )
[04:14:13] scottder: Ah ok...thanks
[04:14:26] Netslayer: hrm..maybe i made that up
[04:14:43] Ryushin: Anyone know how far away we are from a release of ivtv for 2.6.16?
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[04:15:06] BigPeteB: Oh no, wait. I do get the e-mails, they just go to an account I never check. I forgot.
[04:15:56] Netslayer: how do i add a mythtv user to a mythconverg database?
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[04:17:37] BigPeteB: Good question. I always have to look it up.
[04:18:09] BigPeteB: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html
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[04:18:37] Netslayer: BigPeteB, nice, that's what i was doing
[04:18:47] Netslayer: i thought i needed to add a user first to reference that
[04:19:53] BigPeteB: Well, if you don't have a root user, you'd need to add that, but I'm really not sure how that would work...
[04:19:56] BigPeteB: ;-)
[04:20:03] Netslayer: i have a root
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[04:27:26] hadees: hmm so i just went into mythtv-setup and deleted all the settings but when i tried to get the channel listings again I am getting no channels even though it has the right zap2it information
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[04:29:37] hadees: do you have to scan for regular us cable channels now?
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[04:32:46] BigPeteB: No, it's supposed to just work
[04:32:53] BigPeteB: What does mythfilldatabase say when it runs?
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[04:50:04] FunkyELF: tell me if this makes sense?....I'm running nuvexport and I accidently move a file that it is working on and the file keeps getting bigger in the directory that I moved it to.
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[04:52:11] FunkyELF: does it make sense that if I'm transcoding a video and I move the output file to a new directory that the file keeps getting worked on?
[04:55:21] Beirdo: yes
[04:55:41] Beirdo: the process already has the file open
[04:56:08] BigPeteB: It's the mysterious ways of *nix file operations
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[04:58:33] mithro: it's not mysterious at all
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[05:14:33] sneezer: does anyone have any experience with installing mythtv on an xbox?
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[05:52:20] Rsx024: i am trying to get myth working on fedor i am trying to run "yum install mythtv-suite" and i get a messages that says no more mirrors to try
[05:54:15] Rsx024: any one know a work around for this?
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[06:02:46] Rsx024: wow i get the same error no matter what i try to download
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[06:03:41] Anduin: Rsx024 – New version of fedora out, many servers not handling it well.
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[06:04:52] Rsx024: :( do you know if there a guide that will tell me how to dowload and install manually?
[06:05:12] phar0e: help, what else could I sell on amazon?
[06:05:21] Anduin: Rsx024 – You can usually manually set to one mirror you find works
[06:05:59] Rsx024: /etc/yum.conf?
[06:06:35] Anduin: Rsx024 – No, you probably have a .repo file that has a mirrorlist entry (mirrorlist is the best joke in yum)
[06:07:39] Rsx024: /etc/yum.repos.d would this be it?
[06:08:13] Anduin: Rsx024 – I don't use ATrpms, I don't know the exact file.
[06:08:39] Anduin: That directory should contain .repo files, one of them should have a reasonable name.
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[06:09:07] Rsx024: atrpms.repo
[06:11:00] Rsx024: ill try to figure it out
[06:11:14] Rsx024: i dont know what im lookin for exactly so it makes it hard lol
[06:11:51] Anduin: Look in the file, see the mirrorlist line, replace it with a baseurl line hard coded to a server that is responsive.
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[06:14:06] awb4422: ping cardoe
[06:14:54] Rsx024: ok ill give that a try thanks
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[06:16:05] Ediehow: so what's the word on kworld PVR-TV300U-N?
[06:17:58] Rsx024: Anduin would i be better off upgrading to fc5?
[06:18:18] Anduin: Rsx024 – Not for several weeks probably.
[06:18:35] Rsx024: ok
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[06:33:20] Rsx024: this isnt workin out :(
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[07:23:12] xris: hmm, gotta love those new-distro-release blues....
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[07:27:53] xris: let's try that compile again
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[07:43:22] Anduin: xris – What is failing?
[07:43:46] xris: Anduin: they renamed a couple of packages in fc5
[07:43:53] xris: seems to be going now
[08:05:40] xris: yup, that worked
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[08:16:49] DMJC: I need help
[08:17:09] DMJC: anyone here an expert on signal strength/reception of TV?
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[08:17:47] DMJC: I've got a channel here that's being picked up with a signal strength of 14%
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[08:18:14] DMJC: I need to get a stronger signal to the card somehow
[08:18:35] DMJC: I'm already using RG6 cable with gold connectors to go from the wall to the computer
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[08:24:45] meaculpa: Lo, with a PVR 500 (2 tuners), is it okay to use one (1) video source for both tuners?
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[08:38:52] Anduin: meaculpa – Yes, that is what you'd do with 2x150s
[08:40:33] meaculpa: Anduin, c00l, tnx.
[08:42:09] meaculpa: When running 'mythfilldatabase --manual' as requested, the answer to the question "chose a channel ID" should match the right channel in mythtv-setup, right?
[08:42:57] meaculpa: E.g., connecting "CNN" to "Channel 25" on the PVR card...
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[09:22:01] Juski: FYI peeps.. version 1.3a of ProjectGrayhem-wide is now available to download from www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/
[09:22:06] Juski: time for work
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[09:34:51] Merlin83b2: Morning folks.
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[09:44:42] Chicago: ql
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[09:58:03] TakKovacs: Has anyones tv_grab_au (using Immir's version )stopped working in the last couple of days ?
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[10:00:21] ** Calroth checks. **
[10:00:57] Calroth: i've got guide data through to next tuesday
[10:01:21] Calroth: this is using immir's tv_grab_au 1.52
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[10:07:59] TakKovacs: yep...found the problem xmltvid were screwed up
[10:08:05] TakKovacs: thanks anywa
[10:08:11] Calroth: np
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[10:31:23] Cardoe: awb4422: yes?
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[11:14:48] dorel: has anyone heard of the plutohome project?
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[11:18:59] phar0e: yes
[11:19:19] phar0e: it's listed on the official wiki some place
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[12:04:03] dorel: yep
[12:04:10] dorel: i've downloaded it and installed it.
[12:04:17] dorel: not such a user-friendly as they describe it
[12:04:26] dorel: have you tried it?
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[12:21:49] RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, is there any way to tell whether realtime priority is successful?
[12:22:47] Merlin83b: Try with it on, try with it off. If everything works with it off, you don't need it.
[12:22:48] RaYmAn-Bx: I get "Realtime priority would require SUID as Root" from mythtv, but I get this both with the realtime module loaded correctly and with mythfrontend/mythtv suid root..
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[12:47:41] JohnnyST: hi
[12:47:55] JohnnyST: anybody that uses DVB-T here?
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[12:51:59] d64: well surely someone
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[12:52:48] hexoroid: anybody got a problem when doing cat /dev/vide0 > bleh.mpg it captures video but no sound ?
[12:55:33] d64: this is just pure guesswork but to my knowledge analog cards have a system where you route the sound to a sound card and then capture it from there
[12:56:57] hexoroid: yeah i read some article when a guy said that
[12:57:01] hexoroid: but i have no idea how to do that
[12:58:10] d64: i do not know how it is easiest to do as i've not used an analog card in linux
[12:58:37] d64: or well once i did, but just briefly out of curiosity, i didn't bother with the audio at all
[12:59:15] hexoroid: doing mplayer /dev/video0 is ok it has sound just when i do recording i get no sound
[13:00:37] JohnnyST: Well how do I tell mythtv-setup to search for channels on an specific transport.
[13:01:20] JohnnyST: scan finds them but not mythtv-setup
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[13:01:57] JohnnyST: When I try to add them trough the channels.conf file so dose not the program guide work.
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[13:14:49] hexoroid: d64, i fixed it with ivtvctl -r input=0,output=0
[13:19:18] JohnnyST: So how do I tell mythtv-setup to scan for channels at 610000000 on dvb-t?
[13:20:34] JohnnyST: or if I add them trough the channels.conf file how do I tell mythtv to use the program guide form tha air?
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[13:42:05] sphing_: how hard is it to switch a slave backend to a master
[13:44:54] JohnnyST: I am getting this error..
[13:44:56] JohnnyST: EITHelper: chanid not found for atscsrcid = 113 and mplexid = 12, so event updates were skipped.
[13:45:02] JohnnyST: in the backend log.
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[13:46:24] stuarta: JohnnyST: If you rescan the existing channels in myth-setup it'll update the info
[13:46:35] stuarta: may take a number of scans though....
[13:47:04] stuarta: (I'm assuming from you earlier postings you imported channels.conf)
[13:47:53] JohnnyST: yes I imported channels.conf
[13:48:11] JohnnyST: How do I rescan an channel?
[13:48:46] stuarta: by rescanning existing transports.
[13:49:07] JohnnyST: Ok so I tune to a channel and then do an existing transports?
[13:49:31] stuarta: Just do existing transport scan
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[13:49:51] JohnnyST: ok
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[13:51:22] JohnnyST: stuarta, I get no signal.
[13:51:43] stuarta: on any tranport? or just some?
[13:53:30] JohnnyST: It just scans one transport and it says no signal.
[13:54:03] JohnnyST: should I choose "full scan of existing tansports instead?
[13:54:16] stuarta: yes, sorry, that was the one I meant
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[13:54:21] JohnnyST: ok
[13:55:54] JohnnyST: it seems not to fix it I think it can not find them...
[13:56:05] stuarta: none of them at all?
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[13:56:33] JohnnyST: yes it finds the swedish channels but not the finnish channels.
[13:57:06] stuarta: does it say no tables for the others?
[13:57:06] JohnnyST: I never managed to make it find the finnsh channels.
[13:57:23] d64: is this dvb-t?
[13:57:30] JohnnyST: yes it is dv-t
[13:57:33] JohnnyST: dvb-t
[13:58:00] JohnnyST: I get some channels form sweden and some from finland.
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[13:58:13] JohnnyST: So they are from differnet dvb operators.
[13:58:29] stuarta: do other programs find those channels?
[13:58:49] JohnnyST: yes scan finds them
[13:59:15] JohnnyST: so I made an channels.conf file from the scan program.
[13:59:27] stuarta: in myth do you see 'no tables found on transport'?
[13:59:45] JohnnyST: Where?
[13:59:54] stuarta: when scanning for them
[14:00:06] JohnnyST: no I have not seen that..
[14:00:25] JohnnyST: I see skipping but those are the encrypted once.
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[14:01:23] stuarta: the encrypted ones are the swedish ones?
[14:01:29] JohnnyST: yes
[14:01:55] JohnnyST: It only sees the swedish network with encypted and not encrypted once.
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[14:02:36] JohnnyST: I have also tried full scan tuned but it dose not work.
[14:03:00] stuarta: when using tzap to change to the channel does it get a lock?
[14:03:34] JohnnyST: I can try that,,
[14:03:36] stuarta: ie. pick one of the finnish channel & tune to it with tzap
[14:03:43] JohnnyST: but xine works with them
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[14:04:15] JohnnyST: and also myth it is the program guide that is missing becouse I used the channel.conf file.
[14:05:16] stuarta: but you can watch them?
[14:05:53] JohnnyST: yes
[14:06:01] JohnnyST: I get a lock with tzap.
[14:06:24] JohnnyST: but the problem is the program guide..
[14:06:36] JohnnyST: If I could get that one working then it would be ok...
[14:06:42] stuarta: that's because you used channels.conf to populate the channel table.
[14:06:48] JohnnyST: yes
[14:06:55] JohnnyST: can I fake it somehow?
[14:07:08] stuarta: if setup won't find it then you have to add the information by hand
[14:07:11] JohnnyST: without needing to scan for the channels..
[14:07:24] JohnnyST: I could do that if I know what to add..
[14:07:58] stuarta: have a look at your channel table, the finnish channels will be missing some settings that are present in the swedish ones.
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[14:08:44] JohnnyST: ok ill do that..
[14:08:58] RaYmAn-Bx: this is a bit of a longshot (And somewhat off-topic), but there wouldn't happen to be anyone with a i915 integrated gfx chipset who has tv-out working correctly? :)
[14:09:16] stuarta: that'll let you know which columns you need data for.
[14:09:37] stuarta: IIRC, it's networkid & maybe another one..
[14:10:29] sphing_: RaYmAn-Bx: i have an i915
[14:10:33] sphing_: never tried my video out
[14:11:24] JohnnyST: ok'
[14:11:29] RaYmAn-Bx: sphing_: I can get tv-out (s-video) working, but the output is significantly smaller than the size of the tv..which means rather large black borders everywhere
[14:11:52] JohnnyST: stuarta, but it would be better if tha channel search would work,
[14:12:13] stuarta: yeah, it has some issues at the moment...
[14:12:15] JohnnyST: in the last version 0.18 so could I get the finnish channels but not the swedish.
[14:12:28] JohnnyST: in 0.19 so is it the other way around.
[14:12:29] sphing_: RaYmAn-Bx: same happens to me on my other machines (not i915) so its not a i915 driver issue its probably a configuartion
[14:13:17] stuarta: normally, you need to scan 5 or 6 times to get everything.
[14:13:28] stuarta: not pretty, but it's being worked on....
[14:13:29] sphing_: well not large, but a black boarder.... have you tried over/under scanning?
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[14:14:04] RaYmAn-Bx: sphing_: well, I honestly have no idea how to do that...it also happens just with the desktop
[14:14:20] ** stuarta swears at his cluster.... **
[14:15:00] sphing_: RaYmAn-Bx: google overscanning in xorg... I'm on my way out so I can help you too much
[14:15:02] RaYmAn-Bx: if I force resolution to 720x576 it's vertically smaller than the tv and horizontally wider
[14:16:04] stuarta: RaYmAn-Bx: that's to be expected.
[14:16:26] sphing_: RaYmAn-Bx: I want tv off my xbox and through a monitor, so I've just dealt with the black border on the xbox, though there are reports of people getting it correct...
[14:17:04] sphing_: the problem is, that TV (at least in the US) is known to send a bigger resolution that is displayed on the screen you're cutting out a piece of the video when you watch normal tv
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[14:18:13] RaYmAn-Bx: stuarta: why? That should be the correct PAL resolution...
[14:18:57] stuarta: I make 720x576 1.25 aspect ratio, 4:9 1.33 & 16:9, 1.77
[14:19:49] RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, I see your point..The real question is then what resolution to choose to get it right (and I assume you meant 4:3 and not 4:9)
[14:20:01] stuarta: assuming you have 4:3 tv, your signal is wider and lower than you tv
[14:20:16] RaYmAn-Bx: I do indeed
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[14:20:47] stuarta: where you have it sounds like the best compromise
[14:20:53] sphing: i have to get my bike fixed and ride to campus ... and of course its cold...
[14:21:11] sphing: <insert Beirdo complaining about how its not cold in florida, but its freezing in Canada>
[14:21:19] sphing: ok Beirdo you win
[14:21:28] ** stuarta is amazed, sun is out in the UK.... **
[14:21:39] sphing: I'm sure it'll rain in a minute
[14:22:01] ** stuarta is still amazed, there's even blue sky **
[14:22:06] Merlin83b: Tomorrow or Friday I believe.
[14:22:23] Merlin83b: Cloudless, aside from the vapour trails of aircraft.
[14:22:58] stuarta: friday, heading to saturday according to the bbc
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[14:28:41] Merlin83b: Now that'll be good – supposed to be getting some flying done tomorrow evening.
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[14:31:58] Beirdo: it better not be cold in Florida, we don't want the oranges damaged by frost
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[14:34:33] asperon: hi guys, what connection do i want to use between my gfx card and the tv?
[14:34:40] asperon: svideo? composite?
[14:36:27] Merlin83b: Best you have – probably S-video
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[14:39:08] netrix: anyone using a pvr card and bttv card in the same system?
[14:39:21] netrix: ever since adding the bttv card i can't change channels on one of the tuners.
[14:39:43] netrix: mythtv thinks it's changing chanels, the osd changes but the channel is stuck.
[14:39:56] netrix: it's a pvr 500 btv.
[14:40:00] netrix: er.. btw.
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[14:45:37] asperon: Merlin83b: how does that connector look?
[14:45:47] Merlin83b: Small, round, several pins.
[14:45:55] Merlin83b: Google, I'm sure, will tell you all you need to know :-)
[14:45:56] armand: haha.
[14:46:16] asperon: thats the one i am using then, thnx
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[14:55:39] JohnnyST: This freqid that is in the datase under channel
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[14:55:50] JohnnyST: How can I know what that should be?
[14:57:20] JohnnyST: is there some table I can use to convert it it to this number from the transport frequency?
[14:57:52] JohnnyST: I have NULL there now when I got it from the channels.conf file.
[14:57:56] stuarta: I've no freqid's at all, so it's not that you are after.
[14:58:37] JohnnyST: Well I changed the atscsrcid to 0
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[14:58:51] JohnnyST: But I still hev no guide info.
[14:59:06] JohnnyST: the channels that work have this set to 0.
[14:59:42] JohnnyST: So the thing that is still differnet is the freqid.
[15:00:03] JohnnyST: I have 31 and 39 on that channels that work.
[15:00:15] JohnnyST: and I have NULL on those that do not work,
[15:01:18] stuarta: what about serviceid?
[15:01:33] thebrasse: Hello! I am trying to setup the my mythtv database. I did this by executing the mc.sql script. mythv-setup can, however, not read or write settings after this. I just get a bunch of error messages. Is there something else I need to do in order to setup the database? What script/program creates tables in the mythconverg database?
[15:02:16] stuarta: thebrasse: did you try reading the installation manual?
[15:02:26] JohnnyST: serviceid is there and those are diffrenet for all channels thoe that work and those that do not work.
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[15:02:56] Fredde87: thebrasse you probebly didnt set the permissions
[15:03:27] Fredde87: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[15:03:36] stuarta: JohnnyST: what about the useonairguide setting then....
[15:03:52] JohnnyST: stuarta, that is set to 1
[15:04:14] JohnnyST: for all channels.
[15:06:15] thebrasse: Yes, I did read the installation manual. I have managed to crate a database called mythconverg which the user mythtv can access. Is that really all there is to it? ShouldnÃ't there be any tables in that database?
[15:06:57] stuarta: JaohnnyST: what was the eit error you were getting?
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[15:08:24] Fredde87: thebrasse I think mc.sql should contain some tables
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[15:09:13] stuarta: thebrasse: did you put the conection information into .mythtv/mysql.txt?
[15:10:25] thebrasse: stuarta: no.. I haven't seen any file named m
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[15:10:30] thebrasse: ops
[15:10:40] stuarta: that's the problem then
[15:11:15] Fredde87: mythtv-setup usualy creates it for you
[15:11:16] thebrasse: where can I find some info on what that file should contain?
[15:11:45] stuarta: yeah, but a lot of people run mythtv-setup as root, so it's in ~root not ~mythtv
[15:11:57] Fredde87: http://pastebin.com/616145
[15:13:09] thebrasse: Ok. I found that file and it looks exactly like that..
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[15:20:30] JohnnyST: stuarta, I get this:
[15:20:43] JohnnyST: EITHelper: chanid not found for atscsrcid = 113 and mplexid = 12, so event updates were skipped.
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[15:26:47] asperon: anybody running myth under debian via package? i cant seem to find the plugins anywhere?!
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[15:35:55] stuarta: JohnnyST: serviceid, networkid, transportid all have to be correct.
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[15:39:23] JohnnyST: stuarta, I have to check that then.
[15:39:53] stuarta: I expect networkid & transportid to be different between both networks.
[15:40:29] JohnnyST: ok
[15:40:47] stuarta: the tsid, will actually be different for every transport
[15:40:57] stuarta: the serviceid will be different for every channel
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[15:42:42] JohnnyST: ok
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[15:52:39] stuarta: !trout [PUPPETS]Gonzo
[15:52:39] ** MythLogBot slaps [PUPPETS]Gonzo with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[15:55:44] Dibblah: Okay. That was a little random.
[15:57:51] stuarta: Dibblah: what's that?
[15:59:18] Dibblah: The trouting.
[15:59:52] stuarta: he sent spam by personal msg. I'd kick him if I had privs
[16:02:08] Dibblah: Ah.
[16:03:05] mlehrer: is anyone here familiar with bob vs linear deinterlacing? i am getting awful performance with bob
[16:03:11] mlehrer: not sure how to debug that
[16:03:25] mlehrer: works great on vlc but not mythtv
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[16:10:08] scopeuk: yay my wiring is now complete
[16:11:03] scopeuk: all arials and power accoutned for
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[16:11:46] Beirdo: heh
[16:11:54] stuarta: he bounced
[16:12:00] ** Beirdo sighs **
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[16:12:58] [PUPPETS]Gonzo: I am sorry
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[16:15:00] [PUPPETS]Gonzo: sorry for spreading worm links. I removed the (mIRC) worm, it installes itself as <mirc directory>/sounds/mirc
[16:15:27] stuarta: np
[16:15:38] Beirdo: mirc--
[16:15:39] Beirdo: :)
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[16:15:54] stuarta: didn't that die 5 years ago???
[16:16:11] [PUPPETS]Gonzo: no need to start a flamewar ;)
[16:16:14] scopeuk: i never did use mirc
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[16:17:18] Beirdo: sorry, xchat's much more usable, and is cross platform :)
[16:17:52] stuarta: i like xchat, lately I've taken to bitchx
[16:17:56] scopeuk: isent xchat win shatreware
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[16:18:11] scopeuk: icechat on win and xchat on lin
[16:18:27] stuarta: gaim is decent on winbloze
[16:18:50] scopeuk: gaim irc sucks
[16:19:12] mlehrer: irssi
[16:19:15] stuarta: everything on winbloze sucks
[16:19:21] sphing: if i was moving my main backend to a slave backend would be alright to replace 'oldbackname' with 'newbackendname'
[16:19:50] sphing: in the mysqldump
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[16:20:36] stuarta: you'll have problems if newbackendname is already in the DB
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[16:21:14] sphing: so if i grep -v "'newbackend'"
[16:21:17] sphing: then replace?
[16:21:29] stuarta: sed????
[16:21:37] sphing: i suck at sed
[16:21:54] scopeuk: how easy is it to get a remote front end with live tv
[16:22:05] sphing: scopeuk: about 10 seconds
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[16:22:30] sphing: there should be a table with backend information, then all other tables refer to that table primary key
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[16:23:18] scopeuk: sphing good maby i can get stable lvei tv with that
[16:23:33] stuarta: AFAIK: it's only the settings that are host specific...
[16:23:45] sphing: install myth on the remote frontend... then fun mythfrontend
[16:23:50] sphing: *fun = run
[16:24:23] sphing: its going to complain about not having mysql.txt then will automagically run mythtv-setup, point it to the backend... and viola your on the myth system
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[16:30:18] scopeuk: nice
[16:30:31] scopeuk: ill have a play when i cba to set up another pc
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[16:37:52] Beirdo: do did MPEG "lossless" transcoding last night in myth
[16:38:00] Beirdo: seemed to work for me
[16:38:14] stuarta: works a treat
[16:38:15] Beirdo: time to mark up the shows I wanted to burn direct DVDs of
[16:38:39] Beirdo: then I'll take a REAL good look at the transition zones to make sure it's good
[16:38:54] Beirdo: and playback in various players to make sure the timestamps are good, etc
[16:39:20] Beirdo: if not, I'll just use lvemux to renumber the PTS :)
[16:45:32] ** laga slaps Beirdo **
[16:45:48] ** Beirdo kicks laga in the shins **
[16:46:02] ** laga moans and demands more **
[16:46:13] Beirdo: stupid Audioscrobbler doesn't work with shoutcast streams
[16:46:20] Beirdo: "can't find tag"
[16:46:21] Beirdo: thanks
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[17:00:08] hashbang: heya
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[17:20:48] Beirdo: wishful thinking?
[17:20:53] Beirdo: heya, xris
[17:21:32] xris: morning
[17:21:43] Beirdo: that it is :)
[17:21:48] laga: hi xris
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[17:26:33] ** Beirdo wonders how he's gonna survive the day without throttling an idiot coworker or two **
[17:27:08] kormoc: Beirdo, throttle a server or two
[17:27:24] Beirdo: nah, they aren't what's pissing me off :)
[17:28:18] Beirdo: I need to make a sign that says "FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE"
[17:28:18] Beirdo: hehe
[17:28:30] laga: you need some loud music, i suppose
[17:28:36] kormoc: sure, but making the server slow means the coworkers can't do their work as fast and thus need to spend more tiem working, and thus leaving you alone
[17:28:37] Beirdo: it isn't helping
[17:28:47] mishehu: Beirdo: nah, you need a sign that says "Kick Me"
[17:29:03] Beirdo: and put it on the tard coworker
[17:29:14] mishehu: *nod*
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[17:29:37] mishehu: or you do do it geek-humor style and have it say "Re-boot me", and kick him hard.
[17:29:44] Beirdo: heh
[17:30:17] Beirdo: sigh
[17:30:35] Beirdo: well, maybe I should go get some food and see if the afternoon's any better
[17:30:54] laga: get booze instead
[17:31:00] Beirdo: no thanks
[17:31:15] Beirdo: then I'll be pissed off AND drunk
[17:31:17] Beirdo: bad combo
[17:31:26] laga: or singing :)
[17:31:35] Beirdo: heh
[17:31:41] Beirdo: I don't need booze for that
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[17:32:38] Beirdo: streamripper is a cool little program
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[17:36:38] nosun: is there a gui/frontend for lirc?
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[17:36:41] nosun: for kde
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[17:44:49] sphing: no nosun
[17:46:24] nosun: found one;)
[17:46:27] nosun: kdelirc
[17:46:30] nosun: but dunno where to get it
[17:46:31] nosun: :P
[17:46:44] nosun: I know I can get it on debian but dunno about rest of distro's
[17:46:55] nosun: currently in process of getting apt
[17:47:20] nosun: and synaptic
[17:47:26] nosun: to see if it allows me to get it
[17:47:27] nosun: :P
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[17:50:48] mlehrer: so is it possible to connect to comcast over firewire and time shift hi def stations like hbo
[17:52:30] xris: mlehrer: yes
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[17:55:30] mlehrer: xris: cool, anything special that i would have to do, or is it pretty much plug and play with 0.19
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[17:56:25] sphing: its plug and play once you're verified that firewire is working
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[17:56:48] mlehrer: nice, does it even work with pay per views
[17:57:13] sphing: it works with all video that isnt 5c encrypted
[17:57:29] mlehrer: which channels use that
[17:57:37] sphing: depends on alot of things
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[17:57:55] mlehrer: will there be a day when all channels use that on every show
[17:58:21] asperon: hi, when i install plugins on a backend/frontend seperated system, on which box do i install them? frontend or backend?
[17:58:21] ** sphing rubs crystal ball **
[17:58:32] ** sphing "outlook uncertain" **
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[17:59:02] sphing: asperon: depends on the plugin
[17:59:15] asperon: sphery: mythvideo? mythdvd feels like a frontend one?
[17:59:30] sphing: yup fe ones
[17:59:36] asperon: both?
[17:59:43] asperon: ok, mythweb is backend i guess
[18:00:02] sphing: yup
[18:00:07] sphing: well it can be anywhere
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[18:00:12] mlehrer: sphing: heh
[18:01:04] asperon: sphery: thnx
[18:01:37] asperon: btw, where does mythvideo store the video files, and is there a way to change that location?
[18:01:44] sphing: yes
[18:01:46] sphing: setup
[18:01:54] asperon: mythtv-setup?
[18:02:04] sphing: no setup of the mythfrontend
[18:02:08] asperon: aha
[18:02:09] asperon: great
[18:02:36] asperon: that means that the videofiles must be on the frontend (or nfs/smb mounted there anyway)?
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[18:02:44] sphing: yup
[18:02:49] asperon: ok
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[18:19:46] therp_zivi: hi folks, is someone using mythtv for recording radio? I've seen there is a mythfm plugin, but that seems a bit outdated.. does anyone know the status of this feature?
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[18:31:54] Beirdo: I'd still love a "mythBBCRadioStream"
[18:31:54] Beirdo: hehe
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[18:33:55] phreekr: hey guys
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[18:34:21] thomasd: hey
[18:34:26] sunnyhours4130: whats up
[18:34:42] phreekr: nothin, imhavein some problems with ivtv :(
[18:34:53] sunnyhours4130: ruh roh
[18:34:58] phreekr: and i cant type apparently today
[18:35:07] thomasd: lol
[18:35:09] sunnyhours4130: haha
[18:35:23] thomasd: what r u having problems with?
[18:35:50] phreekr: i had everything working perfect, got ivtv going, then got alsa working, and after a days i gor lirc working in gentoo, then i install mythtv and ivtv stopped working
[18:36:41] phreekr: ive emerge unmerged it numerous times and reinstalled with different options, but i cannot get it to work again for the life of me, cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg comes out with a 0 byte file
[18:36:58] phreekr: im stuck :(
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[18:38:32] kormoc: phar0e, what does dmesg say?
[18:38:56] phreekr: ahhh
[18:39:10] kormoc: erm, that was to phreekr
[18:39:38] phreekr: ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command blah blah blah, theres about 10 of them
[18:40:42] phreekr: everything else is perfect in the init except for those lines at the end
[18:40:56] kormoc: did you change anything related to your kenrel?
[18:41:11] phreekr: i dont think so
[18:41:35] phreekr: i upgraded kernel a while ago but i think that was before i had ivtv working
[18:42:44] nosun: anyone running debian?
[18:42:56] phreekr: gentoo
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[18:44:05] Chicago: Does anybody recommend a specific via-epia solution for spdif and hardware mpeg decoding?
[18:45:23] mlehrer: iirc they have had xvmc support for a long time (since the m10k)
[18:45:27] mlehrer: not sure about spdif
[18:47:47] gakalkag: debian user her:)
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[18:48:36] Chicago: mlehrer: well the m10k is microatx right? on their site now all I see are mini-itx mainboards. http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/
[18:49:08] Chicago: nevermind... i was wrong.
[18:50:11] gakalkag: hi chicago, im using a via epia sp8000
[18:50:27] Chicago: gakalkag: how are the features workin out for you?
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[18:51:24] gakalkag: didnt try spdif, cause no digital in on my stereo. but the rest i have tested and works great
[18:51:29] mlehrer: no the 10k was mini. i have the 9k
[18:53:01] phreekr: so anyone have any ideas what could be going on with ivtv?
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[18:53:48] mlehrer: phreekr: not unless you switch to ubuntu, i have a 250 working on that
[18:54:06] mlehrer: gentoo is a disaster waiting to happen most of the time (subjective opinion obviously)
[18:54:26] phreekr: i actually like gentoo :)
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[18:55:59] Chicago: I like gentoo also and have to agree it is a disaster sometimes... I still have to do fresh installs everytime they upgrade the profile.
[18:56:58] mlehrer: the install screen looked nice though
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[18:58:25] phreekr: yea
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[18:58:48] phreekr: i always manage to screw up my install somehow, but i learn more everytime i do it
[18:59:02] gakalkag: nosun: I'm using debian. maybe I can help
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[19:01:09] phreekr: i just found an old log from this channel that says my problem is a mismatched module or firmware file...hmm
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[19:02:57] kormoc: Chicago, no need to do a fresh install to update the profile
[19:03:16] laga: the last transition was completely painless for me :)
[19:03:23] kormoc: phreekr, did you reemerge ivtv?
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[19:03:41] Chicago: kormoc: okay, so after changing the profile symlink am I just supposed to emerge the toolkit, system and world?
[19:04:05] phreekr: numerous times with different options
[19:04:06] kormoc: Chicago, after changing the profile, emerge -uD world will update everything you need
[19:04:14] Chicago: cool
[19:05:02] phreekr: omg
[19:05:12] Beirdo: and will take ages
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[19:05:41] netrix: where can i get the latest ivtv firmware?
[19:05:42] kormoc: Beirdo, not at all, most profile updates is a single package or two
[19:05:59] Beirdo: true
[19:06:05] phreekr: i thought i had it but i guess not lol
[19:06:12] kormoc: netrix, read ivtvdriver.org 's faw
[19:06:15] kormoc: *faq
[19:06:27] Beirdo: fuq?
[19:06:48] netrix: kormoc: thanks i'll read the faw :)
[19:07:00] Beirdo: YAY
[19:07:01] kormoc: phreekr, unmerge ivtv, rm -rf /usr/lib/modules/kernel_version, cd /usr/src/linux, make modules_install, emerge ivtv
[19:07:20] Beirdo: the song I requested on this online stream... like 3 hours ago... is now playing
[19:07:24] phreekr: kormoc: cool, thanks ill try that
[19:07:46] Beirdo: and I have streamripper running (and have the CD at home anyways)
[19:07:47] Beirdo: hehe
[19:07:55] kormoc: phreekr, also reemerge any other kernel module dependant things (lirc, nvidia-kernel, etc)
[19:08:22] phreekr: hmm, that may not be good but ill try it out
[19:08:28] phreekr: thank you
[19:08:34] kormoc: no problems
[19:10:17] Haddock123: Hi. It seems like there's no way to add your own feeds to MythNews..
[19:10:20] Haddock123: Is that right?
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[19:12:34] laga: you can always hack the source :)
[19:13:27] Haddock123: Well, yeah...
[19:16:02] ** Haddock123 updates http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . %29#MythNews instead **
[19:16:09] Haddock123: that was faster :-)
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[19:19:21] luisbg: if I only want to record from television into my linux HD what programs can I use other than mythtv
[19:19:30] luisbg: trying to setup up mythtv but giving problems
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[19:21:48] Haddock123: cat < /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[19:22:18] Haddock123: Of course the user interface is a little basic on that one
[19:22:29] luisbg: LOL
[19:22:33] luisbg: and to make it stop?
[19:22:37] Haddock123: ^C
[19:22:40] dtm: and there's a "<" where there needs to not be one
[19:22:42] luisbg: I mean in a certain time
[19:22:50] luisbg: want to record stuff meanwhile I sleep
[19:22:57] luisbg: some late night shows are too late night
[19:23:17] laga: man at
[19:23:20] laga: man cron
[19:23:27] Haddock123: Like I said, the interface is basic. And it presupposes you have an ivtv card or something else that generates raw mpeg2
[19:23:32] dtm: luisbg: please explain the rationale for asking #mythtv-users how to perform mythtv's functionality without mythtv
[19:23:43] Haddock123: And yes, I agree, Myth is a b**** to set up
[19:24:09] Haddock123: In my case I ended up fixing stuff in the database to get it working
[19:24:59] luisbg: dtm, thought people here would be friendly and helpful... and read in the mythtv webpage that mythtv is a mix of other programs
[19:25:10] luisbg: just wanted to know from which one you got the code to record tv
[19:25:22] dtm: luisbg: wtf?! from mythtv!
[19:25:30] dtm: luisbg: what are you talking about
[19:25:41] dtm: luisbg: and why not ask for help on fixing mythtv?
[19:26:29] luisbg: because it seamed to give me loads of database errors
[19:26:39] dtm: luisbg: and why not ask for help on fixing mythtv?
[19:26:47] luisbg: because it seamed to give me loads of database errors
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[19:28:07] kormoc: luisbg, you could ask us how to fix those errors
[19:28:15] kormoc: luisbg, and myth isn't a mix of other programs
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[19:28:45] luisbg: "MythTV is a GPL licensed suite of programs" in the docs on the webpage
[19:29:00] luisbg: instead of the suite can I have the program that records only?
[19:29:01] kormoc: luisbg, yes, suite of myth programs, not non myth programs
[19:29:15] kormoc: luisbg, no, you can't. it's all linked together
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[19:29:38] waylandc: Hi, I checked that database on pvrhw.goldfish.org but it doesn't seem to be updated often. Can anyone confirm if I can get mythtv backend working with an allinwonder 9800 pro?
[19:29:38] luisbg: so it's a undivisible suite?
[19:30:06] kormoc: luisbg, that part is undivisible, yes. other parts are optional, but they still require myth and won't run stand alone
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[19:30:42] luisbg: "Database error was:
[19:30:42] luisbg: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[19:30:42] luisbg: "
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[19:30:56] kormoc: luisbg, did you setup the permissions correctly?
[19:31:17] luisbg: what is the correct setup?
[19:31:27] kormoc: luisbg, it's all in the myth documentation.
[19:31:43] peter777: hi
[19:31:47] Haddock123: luisbg, see the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html
[19:32:00] luisbg: hmmmmfff... first you tell me why I don't ask to then send me to RTFM
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[19:32:18] kormoc: luisbg, for questions that are covered in the manual, for sure.
[19:32:27] Haddock123: You probably want "to mythtv@localhost.localdomain " in the middle of that line
[19:33:03] Haddock123: instead of what the web page says
[19:33:21] luisbg: :S
[19:33:53] scopeuk: any one got much experience with arials?
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[19:34:05] Perdignus: Anyone know if ther is a patch for bootsplash on 2.6.16 ?
[19:34:09] luisbg: "mysql < mc.sql" should I have a mc.sql file?
[19:34:20] scopeuk: im looking at hte best way to split signle 3 ways two tvs and 1 myth i have 1 balnaced and one unblanced splitter
[19:34:33] kormoc: luisbg, yes, you should. it comes with myth
[19:34:36] scopeuk: Perdignus i think knoppmyth have one
[19:34:42] luisbg: kormoc, so where is it?
[19:35:08] kormoc: luisbg, depends on your distro
[19:35:13] luisbg: ubuntu
[19:35:18] luisbg: which is pretty much the same as debian
[19:35:30] kormoc: different package maintainers, different locations
[19:35:48] luisbg: how do I find the location?
[19:36:35] Haddock123: ask the package manager
[19:37:28] kormoc: luisbg, you can also updatedb and locate mc.sql
[19:37:44] luisbg: so to just record tv... not only I need a mysql database but contact with the package manager
[19:37:45] luisbg: nice
[19:37:51] waylandc: Hi, I checked that database on pvrhw.goldfish.org but it doesn't seem to be updated often. Can anyone confirm if I can get mythtv backend working with an allinwonder 9800 pro?
[19:37:57] Haddock123: scopeuk I think you need those signal amps with several outputs
[19:39:00] kormoc: luisbg, that's an issue with ubuntu, not myth.
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[19:39:10] kormoc: luisbg, I know gentoo puts it in /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql
[19:39:40] netrix: it's it /usr/share/mythtv/sql on ubuntu.
[19:39:41] Haddock123: It would be nice if myth ran the file on first startup if it found an empty db
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[19:39:50] netrix: er i mean its in /usr/share/mythtv/sql on ubuntu.
[19:39:57] luisbg: kormoc, it's not there, different distros different locations
[19:40:28] kormoc: luisbg, yes, hence why I said on gentoo, but as netrix pointed out the correct location, you should be golden
[19:40:31] luisbg: thanks netrix =)
[19:40:44] netrix: luisbg: np.
[19:41:12] netrix: i just got ivtv 0.4.3 installed ... yay.
[19:41:14] luisbg: not golden...
[19:41:17] luisbg: "Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[19:41:17] luisbg: "
[19:41:38] kormoc: luisbg, what is the mysql server address you are using?
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[19:41:57] therp_zivi: I guess this might help http://www.google.com/search?q=mysql+access+control
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[19:42:34] netrix: luisbg: or this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
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[19:42:36] Haddock123: luisbg, did you already try the command I suggested?
[19:43:28] peter777: Hi Does anybody know what kind of error this is? DVBSignalMonitor(0)::constructor(2,Warning, can not measure Bit Error Rate)
[19:43:47] liran_: hmm, does mythtv support langauge packs or something?
[19:44:16] scopeuk: Haddock123 much as id love to grab one im a cheep skate
[19:44:23] laga: liran_: mythtv supports different languages and it's easy to add a new translation
[19:44:25] luisbg: Haddock123, which command?
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[19:44:47] liran_: laga, i see. is there some document about how it's done? im interesed in reading
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[19:46:27] laga: liran_: i'm not sure about that, sorry :/. but go to mythtv/i18n/ and there, you have to add the name of your translation file to some .pro file. then you need to run lrelease, i think, and it will generate a new file which can be edited with tools such as qtlinguist
[19:47:36] liran_: ahh i see
[19:47:39] liran_: cool thanks
[19:47:59] laga: :)
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[19:52:08] Haddock123: luisbg, grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"localhost.localdomain" identified by "mythtv";
[19:54:37] luisbg: now having problems with the user and pass
[19:54:45] luisbg: access denied
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[19:56:32] Haddock123: luisbg, did the command above go through OK?
[19:56:41] ** scopeuk draws the ever mystical unworkable win myth from its case **
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[19:56:58] luisbg: Haddock123, yes
[19:57:02] scopeuk: honestly has any one in here got this working?
[19:57:27] Haddock123: luisbg, try logging in manually:
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[19:57:39] Haddock123: mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg
[19:57:42] Haddock123: password mythtv
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[19:58:27] luisbg: Haddock123, ok
[19:59:12] luisbg: still access denied
[19:59:32] Haddock123: Perhaps the logs have a clue. /var/log/mysql?
[19:59:44] kormoc: luisbg, try mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
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[20:00:35] luisbg: it enters
[20:00:59] kormoc: luisbg, now try mysql -h localhost -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
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[20:02:21] peter777: hi
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[20:04:02] luisbg: i'ts the same
[20:04:16] kormoc: luisbg, and via myth, what did you set the mysql server to be?
[20:04:55] luisbg: mythconverg@localhost.localdomain
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[20:05:16] kormoc: luisbg, change that to localhost, don't put the .localdomain
[20:05:44] luisbg: where do I change that?
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[20:06:13] kormoc: luisbg, edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
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[20:07:17] lngndvs: I want to hook up a digital camera live tv (Coolpix) to a computer with the Plextor ConvertX TV402U. Is this overkill for Mythtv? (Gentoo)
[20:07:51] laga: lngndvs: mythtv is a PVR software
[20:07:57] Juski: er... that probably won't work
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[20:08:13] Juski: evening laga :)
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[20:08:32] laga: hi Juski
[20:08:34] laga: :)
[20:08:35] laga: sup?
[20:08:36] Juski: fsking work have blocked my ports so I can't ssh or vnc :-((
[20:08:44] lngndvs: laga, Any suggestions?
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[20:08:59] Juski: lngndvs: what do you hope to accomplish?
[20:09:39] lngndvs: Juski, I want to monitor the digital cam from the computer, and control as well. Also be able to record movies, TV
[20:09:45] laga: Juski: run a sshd on port 80 at home
[20:09:49] kormoc: Juski, setup your home box to have ssh on port 80!
[20:10:16] Juski: I think they've blocked the protocol as opposed to just the port
[20:10:24] kormoc: tricky!
[20:10:34] Juski: rather than timeouts I get 'connection refused'
[20:10:35] laga: Juski: darn. i'm sure you can tunnel it in some way, though
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[20:10:55] scopeuk: jsuki have you tried an ssl bassed http conenction
[20:11:00] Juski: it's a sackable offence by my work's code of practice, so maybe I won't
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[20:11:11] scopeuk: the firewall/filters cant touch em becosue thdoing so screwes with certs ect
[20:11:34] lngndvs: Bye bye
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[20:11:37] scopeuk: wooow where you work?
[20:11:40] Juski: lngndvs: mythtv is not for recording from (or controlling) digital still cameras
[20:12:06] Juski: scopeuk: a firm with a strong foundation of security... we make CCTV DVRs
[20:12:26] scopeuk: arhh makes sense
[20:12:34] scopeuk: heh my school recon there more secure than they are
[20:12:54] Juski: it's usually against most companies' IT policies to get around 'security'
[20:12:59] scopeuk: filtering every thing jsut hacsk off a lot of kids 1.5k of us and hence we fidn ways aroudn them
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[20:13:15] Juski: I found a loophole.. namely two ports used by our DVRs
[20:13:17] scopeuk: heh ive signed nothing :D and there is nothign that says i cant work around what they o
[20:13:25] scopeuk: standard issue lol
[20:13:32] Juski: yeh yeh
[20:14:03] scopeuk: best thing about our school is that the filtering they use is based on a squid plugin
[20:14:07] scopeuk: its well documented on the net
[20:14:10] Juski: oh yeh before I forget folks, I fixummified ProjectGrayhem-wide this morning a little
[20:15:21] Juski: though I wish someone hadn't used the mythtvtalk forum to get support for the issue they raised :-/
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[20:15:47] kormoc: bastard require login to view thing
[20:17:04] Juski: so, for the time it takes to sign up... it's well worth it.. unless you're me. nobody ever helped me out
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[20:28:26] scopeuk: juski you can never expect that somoen who has benifited from a project feels the need to repay it in the onyl way they possibly could by helping others
[20:28:46] scopeuk: has any one got a working install of win myth?
[20:29:36] kormoc: Juski, it's just icky to get a google match to a restricted site, and I think it's rather... low of them to allow google to index it but require others to register to view it
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[20:31:10] JasonX: has anyone cloned a mythtv drive to another one and if so whats the best way? (is dd ok when the source drive is the boot drive)
[20:31:12] scopeuk: ask em iff they'll do us a channel account
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[20:42:51] liran_: so mythtv is splited to the server and the client (which is the frontend), right?
[20:43:25] Anduin: liran_ – essentially
[20:45:02] Juski: scopeuk: I'm one of those kind of people – I've been giving back for ages now
[20:45:20] Juski: scopeuk: winmyth is a PoS.. unlike dsmyth which is rather nifty
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[20:45:44] liran_: Anduin, i see. whats mythtvweb?
[20:45:48] xris: JasonX: it's sort of ok if mounted in read only mode. generally, use a rescue disk
[20:45:57] xris: liran_: web interface to schedule recordings, etc.
[20:46:35] Juski: just aswell the developers aren't as selfish as say 80% of mythtv users then innit ;-)
[20:46:42] Juski: amen!
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[20:49:08] xris: Juski: who says we aren't selfish?
[20:49:19] Juski: you unleash your code ;-)
[20:49:29] xris: oh. yeah, that.
[20:49:29] xris: heh
[20:49:45] xris: and that isaac doesn't take donations of any kind... gets upset if you offer.
[20:49:50] Juski: yeh that small matter of letting everyone benefit from really cool stuff
[20:50:16] Chicago: Are these guys mythTV? Anybody tried one? http://interact-tv.com/
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[20:51:31] Juski: Chicago: looks suspiciously like it has a lot of mythtv core code in there
[20:52:23] xris: Juski: hard to say, though. looks like a lot of stuff myth doesn't have built in
[20:52:41] Juski: no mention of the GPL either, so if they've used any of mythtv code they're being _very_ naughty
[20:53:27] laga: frontrow looks like mythtv, too ;)
[20:54:39] meaculpa: Ok, my mythtv is working on one (1) isolated PC. I now would like to split the front-end and back-end. I'd like to put the Hauppauge in a server. Is that easy to do?
[20:55:08] Chicago: hmm... so I guess it would be cool to check one out... I wonder if they pulled out all references to mythtv if they are using myth code.
[20:55:10] armand: now there's a loaded question
[20:55:22] JasonX: I've been doing this for hours, all these clone tools like ghost and pmagic wanna work at partition level i wanna just dup the disk (dd kept giving errors so i gave up on that)
[20:55:57] xris: meaculpa: pretty easy
[20:56:12] xris: just have to run mythtv-setup and make sure the master backend IP is configured properly
[20:56:40] meaculpa: xris, does mythtv-setup configures the front-end or the back-end, or both?
[20:56:40] xris: JasonX: dd will work. works best with UNmounted devices, though
[20:56:50] xris: meaculpa: have to run it on each
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[20:57:16] meaculpa: xris, the front-end doesn't need to have a mysql database, does it?
[20:57:28] Haddock123: Yes, the front end has access to the database too
[20:57:31] Haddock123: Same database
[20:57:45] JasonX: well dd kept giving read errors so i gave up on it
[20:57:52] meaculpa: so the front-end needs a mysql *client*, not a mysql *database*, correct?
[20:58:06] xris: meaculpa: one database
[20:58:13] xris: meaculpa: no. mythtv is the client
[20:58:13] JasonX: i only have the linux drive a new drive or a hiren boot cd to choose to boot from
[20:58:31] JasonX: so to use dd i have to boot from the drive i wish to copy
[20:58:38] meaculpa: xris, okay.
[20:59:05] xris: JasonX: yup. most distro install disks have a rescue mode
[20:59:06] JasonX: r u saying having booted i should just unmount it, but what about the swap partition etc
[20:59:21] JasonX: oh so maybe boot from a live linux dvd
[21:00:05] JasonX: i would assume people here must have cloned a myth drive when they wanted to try out new stuff
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[21:01:15] armand: heh dd'ing a mounted device creates an unusable image, fyi
[21:01:26] armand: use a boot disk.
[21:01:48] xris: JasonX: most people just back up the database
[21:02:39] armand: everything else can be easily fixed
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[21:02:51] JasonX: i have everything backed up as well (belt n braces)
[21:02:52] scopeuk: my http trafic seams dead
[21:03:09] scopeuk: or maby google is down
[21:04:21] JasonX: i just wanna do a sector copy so it is exact clone, i tried partition magic, but it wouldnt boot, i then copied the mbr from old to new but still wouldnt boot
[21:05:05] JasonX: i will work my way through every util on hiren boot cd to see if any of them actually work
[21:05:10] xris: JasonX: boot disk, dd
[21:05:23] xris: "hiren"?
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[21:05:43] JasonX: hiren boot cd – google for it its a must
[21:05:55] armand: a must for what?
[21:06:18] JasonX: well its easier to google for it then it will become clear rather than me explain
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[21:06:51] JasonX: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hiren.thanki/bootcd.html
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[21:07:43] xris: JasonX: looks like a lot of commercial software
[21:07:57] ** laga likes the "ultimate boot cd" **
[21:08:42] JasonX: yer handy
[21:08:47] xris: commercial and pirated
[21:09:19] xris: JasonX: just grab disk 1 from any version of fedora and boot lilo with the "linux rescue" option
[21:09:36] xris: or knoppix
[21:10:56] JasonX: thx i will try that, when/if these fail, my problem is exascipated by the drive im cloning being problematic sometimes so i need to try and grab it while i can b4 it goes mad as it often does
[21:11:05] d64: btw is there a free tool that can easily recover deleted/formatted partitions
[21:11:24] d64: there are several commercial programs that do this and it's sometimes useful
[21:11:34] armand: formatted, you will recover very little
[21:11:50] armand: if you just deleted it with fdisk your chances are much greater of getting something
[21:12:05] d64: well mostly "formatting" nowadays does not involve writing the partition over
[21:12:18] JasonX: these 'clone' tools seem to wanna work at parition level so i doubt they clone the mbr a good old secotr copier would be fine, though time consuming
[21:12:19] d64: just zeroing the various metadata so that it's effectively new and empty
[21:12:20] armand: *cough* m$ *cough*
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[21:13:07] armand: jasonx: why clone the mbr? if you need to recover just write a new one. takes 2 seconds
[21:13:37] JasonX: well it has lilo setup on it
[21:13:56] armand: so all you need is lilo.conf backed up and you can rewrite your mbr in 2seconds...
[21:14:07] armand: the mbr itself doesnt contain anything special
[21:14:22] Beirdo: just some code that lilo will happily put there again
[21:14:57] JasonX: well im 2 months into linux and though ive come far i havent come wuite that far, and besides if i can clone a working one then im away
[21:15:15] xris: which distro still uses lilo?
[21:15:25] Beirdo: most of them will if you tell it to
[21:15:39] JasonX: well im using knoppmyth so i takes what i gets
[21:15:42] xris: yeah, but why would you?
[21:15:43] xris: ah
[21:16:21] JasonX: i have modified my myth quite lot at script level so would rather clone than reinstall and recreate the endless changes
[21:16:39] armand: so then backup your scripts..
[21:17:06] xris: JasonX: doesn't knopmyth have a livecd mode?
[21:17:15] scopeuk: yes but front end/rescue only
[21:17:25] JasonX: yer i have backed everything up, in a tgz and all the little mods and the db etc BUT if i can just clone the drive it will be easier
[21:17:49] armand: maybe it will be easier but it will be a hellava lot slower
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[21:18:04] armand: but easier in this case is a matter of opinion ;/
[21:18:16] scopeuk: how bout jsut moving the drive
[21:18:20] JasonX: i was gonna go to myth 0.19 and readd my chnages but read of probs with nova-t cards so decided to stay as i am, everything works so...
[21:18:31] JasonX: the drive is on the way out
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[21:18:39] scopeuk: ok
[21:19:01] JasonX: i often get a system lockup and dma errors and loads of rubbish or the bios doesnt recog the drive calls it maxtor romulus etc
[21:19:17] JasonX: all my maxtor drives have broken within a few years
[21:19:19] armand: the cardasians are attacking it
[21:19:24] JasonX: im stricly seagate now
[21:19:35] xris: JasonX: listen... take the knopmyth install disk, boot into livecd mode.. you should then have access to dd so you can dupe the raw device
[21:20:04] JasonX: one thing i did do with myth that is cool is set up mythvideo to house all my video disks with coers etc and prompt to insert the approp dvd
[21:20:28] laga: JasonX: you should document your changes somewhere so other people can benefit from your work :)
[21:21:00] JasonX: xris : thankyo very much for your help and i will if the current acronis clo9ne fails but it is doing it now so i will leave it, if it fails then i will go your suggested route
[21:21:07] xris: ah
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[21:21:22] JasonX: laga: i will at some point
[21:21:27] Jasper: hello people
[21:21:30] JasonX: learning bash was a nightmare
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[21:22:04] JasonX: i mod'd the imdb.pl script to use countries for the first 4 actors BUT it wasnt that useful as its too slow to scroll through
[21:22:36] kormoc: .pl is perl :)
[21:22:54] JasonX: yer i know
[21:23:02] armand: heh
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[21:25:07] JasonX: did much change with mythvideo in 0.19 from 0.18
[21:26:50] JasonX: anyway thx for help im gonna get back to my runny nose and feelin miserable :) (got man flu)
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[21:27:16] laga: i didn't know there was a woman flu
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[21:29:32] coopster: I was wondering what transcoding settings people preferred, for the best small size/good quality combo. Any thoughts?
[21:29:48] armand: i burn to dvd if i want to keep something
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[21:30:28] coopster: well, i'm a bit of an archivist, so i'd like to keep as much as possible, i'd rather buy more space than have to change discs around
[21:31:13] armand: archiving tv? hehe, packrat
[21:32:03] armand: there are some things i like to keep too, but i dont use myth's builtin transcoding
[21:32:10] armand: i use mencoder to do 2pass xvid
[21:32:13] mlehrer: just keep the atsc transport stream
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[21:33:03] dtm: coopster: buy me some too, while you're blowin money on precious, precious tv plz
[21:33:06] dtm: <3
[21:33:06] coopster: armand, about how much space per hour does that get you, and can myth still play it back?
[21:33:24] armand: 650meg
[21:33:37] armand: yeah, mythvideo
[21:33:40] mlehrer: you get to use mythvideo to play it back
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[21:35:43] coopster: once you use anything other than myth's built in transcoding, you can't use the recorded programs menu to play it back?
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[21:37:19] ** Juski has just reported that NTL webpage to FAST **
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[21:42:03] armand: coopster: if you use the same filename, ie just overrwriting it, you should be able to view it in recorded programs, but i dunno what would happen if you just overrote it with an xvid file with the .mpg/.nuv extension — probably wouldnt play
[21:42:08] armand: but dunno for sure. never tried it :)
[21:42:22] armand: juski: yeah? did that site actually host any pirated software?
[21:42:23] laga: you'd have to run mythcommflag --rebuild on that file
[21:43:06] armand: laga: why would you need run mythcommflag, if you already transcoded out the commercials?
[21:44:40] Anduin: armand – Myth stores seek information for recorded programs.
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[21:45:59] Huijari: oh crap
[21:46:05] armand: anduin: ah didnt know that
[21:46:24] Huijari: i need an antenna cable to be able to locate my antenna better
[21:47:58] amoka: hey, just had a quick question... looked over the docs/wiki haven't found anything. just set up knoppmyth, and it works well, except that when I schedule the daily show and colbert report (as an example), as back-to-back programs, only one or the other gets recorded, depending on priority. I could change to start/end 1 minute before/after, but I was wondering if this is normal behavior
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[21:49:58] BigPeteB: If you look at the list of scheduled recordings, what does it say?
[21:50:42] Anduin: amoka – You should only see that with a hard pre/post record value.
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[21:54:20] amoka: Anduin: hmm
[21:54:57] amoka: Anduin: in the recording's scheduling options, right?
[21:55:15] Anduin: amoka – That would be the hard one.
[21:55:32] amoka: hmm, yeah, they're set to "on time"
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[21:57:42] Anduin: amoka – I'd do what BigPeteB suggested and see what the scheduler is doing saying.
[21:59:21] Beirdo: mplayer is my bitch :)
[21:59:46] Beirdo: I have it "playing" The Goon Show from monday on BBC7
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[22:02:13] Mobleman: How do I update my $PATH and $QTDIR? (Ubuntu)
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[22:05:38] hadees: is anyone working on a mythtv podcast client?
[22:06:03] hadees: i know that mythstream can kind of do it but it doesn't do auto downloads and the interface is kind of strange
[22:06:35] Mobleman: hadees: Not me... but it sounds nice... :)
[22:07:36] xris: hadees: someone needs to just rewrite mythmusic so that it works, and supports things like podcasts.
[22:08:00] hadees: thats the one area i think Chutt's adversion to bittorrent intergration might be a problem, seeing as alot of podcasts are over bittorrent
[22:08:36] xris: hadees: chutt doesn't have issues with bittorrent.. has issues with using it to share copyrighted video.
[22:08:46] hadees: xris, yeah but what about video podcasts, I think mythmusic should be mythaudio
[22:08:59] hadees: i have audio books in there =)
[22:09:00] xris: ahh, I forget about video podcasts
[22:09:18] xris: my ipod doesn't do video (then again, it doesn't really do audio for much more than about 30 mins, either)
[22:09:50] hadees: well they are called video podcasts but like dl.tv and revision3 stuff is really made for a monitor or tv
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[22:11:54] hadees: xris, about bittorrent though anything you use to share video podcasts could be used for illegal tv shows also, no real way around it
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[22:12:47] xris: hadees: yeah, that'd probably become a problem
[22:12:57] xris: that, and bt requires poking holes in firewalls for it to work
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[22:14:15] Beirdo: bittorrent is a legal quagmire because of the way it often used, and it's one of those things that can tarnish the reputation of the mythtv community...
[22:14:17] JasonX: its about time all audio and video ever made was available on one (legal) world server anyway
[22:14:32] Beirdo: JasonX: never happen
[22:14:40] JasonX: i beg to differ
[22:14:43] laga: JasonX: ask google
[22:14:48] Beirdo: it will NEVER happen
[22:14:57] JasonX: i think it will definately happen
[22:14:59] hydroksyde_: my boss was asking about bittorrent in mythtv
[22:15:02] JasonX: within 10 years
[22:15:12] JasonX: a monthly rental
[22:15:15] Beirdo: you're on crack
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[22:15:34] laga: Mobleman: QTDIR=/usr/foo/qt/; to make it available in subshells and so on: "export QTDIR=blablubb"
[22:15:35] Beirdo: MPAA and RIAA will never sign off on such an idea
[22:15:39] JasonX: its heading that way anyway
[22:15:51] JasonX: they may not have a choice
[22:15:56] hadees: nah you'll just have to buy TV shows each for $2
[22:16:02] JasonX: once anonymous p2p takes off
[22:16:11] hydroksyde_: JasonX, that would be like trying to standardize english/your native language as world language
[22:16:17] JasonX: better to get some money of people than none at all
[22:16:20] ** meushi wonders how such a thing would work **
[22:16:35] JasonX: hydro : errr hasnt that already happened
[22:16:35] xris: JasonX: of course they have a choice. they own the copyright.
[22:16:41] Beirdo: what may end up legal in one country will not be legal in all countries, not in our lifetimes
[22:16:46] meushi: and the money to buy the laws
[22:16:51] laga: english is some kind of world language ;)
[22:16:56] JasonX: yer but less and less people care about legality of things
[22:17:03] JasonX: u cant lock the world up
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[22:17:27] Beirdo: sure they can
[22:17:34] xris: JasonX: most people don't know.. they assume that sharing music online is the same as making a mix tape for a friend. with the DMCA, it's not.
[22:17:35] opello: or they will try :)
[22:17:45] JasonX: say £50/month to access all music and movies 6 month or more old
[22:18:04] JasonX: it just seems like common sense
[22:18:14] meushi: which is why it will never happen
[22:18:16] JasonX: accountants like monthly incomes
[22:18:18] xris: JasonX: the cable companies will do that before it'll happen online....
[22:18:19] Beirdo: common sense has NOTHING to do with the law
[22:18:28] JasonX: im not saying it will happen online
[22:18:41] JasonX: i am just saying i am 100% convinced it will happen
[22:18:51] JasonX: there are already vaious versions of it happening
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[22:19:07] JasonX: why replicate the same data again and again when u can store it once
[22:19:17] hadees: i hope the day comes where you buy a license for a movie and you can get it in any format you want, so if you own the matrix on dvd you can legally download the matrix HD
[22:19:31] xris: JasonX: but never within myth unless we suddenly get a huge influx of financial support. look at what happened to lxm
[22:19:59] JasonX: well obviously by the time this happens say 10–15 years myth and other tools would have become redundant
[22:20:08] xris: hadees: that'll never happen in the US. the studios have already guaranteed that you own only the physical media, not the data on it.
[22:20:47] hadees: xris, thats why it was a hope, i have no moral objection to downloading something i already own
[22:20:52] meushi: xris: won't happen in france either... look at what just passed :(
[22:21:07] laga: i would have signed up with lxm if they'd given me EPG data in europe.
[22:21:11] JasonX: bottom line is an accountant will do the maths and realise they are wasting their time chasing pirates and packaging etc when they can make more money providing a delivery service
[22:21:25] hadees: laga, lxm went belly up and I even gave them money
[22:21:42] xris: meushi: that french law will be interesting to watch what happens.
[22:21:49] hadees: there has to be a way to make money off mythtv
[22:21:49] laga: hadees: heh, yep. was there some kind of statement or announcement when they went offline?
[22:21:49] JasonX: sure it will take a while for them to get their head around it and adjust, but all the leanings are alreay in this direction
[22:22:35] meushi: xris: oh yes it will... in a sick way
[22:22:35] xris: laga: not a big one.. I think a message went out to users, and then people posted it on the -users list
[22:22:47] laga: xris: oh, ok. gotta look on gossamers then
[22:22:48] xris: at least they prorated people who had signed up recently (as best they could)
[22:23:08] xris: meushi: huh? you're talking about the anti-drm law, right?
[22:23:14] hadees: laga, yeah something, i was getting annoyed with them myselves because they said they were doing mythtv development but nothing ever happend. I didn't mind so much because i knew they were loosing money but they didn't like update their info in 6 months, and no one knew what was going on
[22:23:32] meushi: xris: I'm talking about the vivendi amendments to the DAVDSI
[22:23:49] laga: hadees: well, they promised it to their users. you could just have used labs.zap2it.com then instead
[22:24:21] laga: hadees: did they ever release the themes to their users? i know jams released them for public consumption, but i mean before
[22:24:31] xris: hadees: at least you're not poor geckofiend who was hired to do dev work and then ended up being the only one holding the project together until they couldn't pay him anymore.
[22:24:32] hadees: laga, i was one of their users, i got nothing, and i don't think they did any development besides the movie time thing
[22:24:53] hadees: xris, did he do anything besides that movie thing?
[22:24:58] xris: hadees: they paid geckofiend to do dev work... he was already a dev
[22:25:12] hadees: xris, yeah i knew that
[22:25:28] xris: themes are released to the public, and available for download, but I think there are likely license issues for inclusion in the main source (which would rock)
[22:25:38] laga: hadees: that totally sucks.
[22:25:40] xris: also seems like Midnight (non-wide) hasn't been updated for .19 yet)
[22:25:54] hadees: xris, one of the themes has a bad bug int it
[22:26:07] laga: i'm glad i didn't give them my money then. i don't have that much of it to give it away and get nothing in return ;)
[22:26:09] hadees: it was crashing mythfrontend
[22:26:55] hadees: i really would pay for 30 day listings
[22:27:12] hadees: although i was paying them for 14 it wasn't that great
[22:27:31] hadees: or rather better then zap2it labs
[22:27:42] laga: heh. well, i still have to use a xmltv grabber :/
[22:27:58] hadees: laga, where are you?
[22:28:05] laga: hadees: germany :)
[22:28:45] xris: hadees: I'd rather have accurate info. heh
[22:29:17] meushi: xris plus the law is not anti-DRM... it's to force interop between DRM... the DADVSI gives you a nice 3750E fine per DRM infraction for personal use
[22:29:19] laga: epg data is one of the more critical things in mythtv. sad that many people have to depend on unreliable methods
[22:29:26] hadees: well good luck with that, i looked into it and tivo has the best data and that is because they buy multiple sources
[22:29:31] xris: meushi: didn't know about that second part.
[22:30:03] hadees: TV channels intentually screw with that data
[22:30:11] xris: hadees: there's only one data source in the US
[22:30:20] xris: tivo edits their own data
[22:30:44] xris: buys it from TMS and makes corrections to it as needed
[22:30:46] meushi: xris: climbs above 300KE if it's for redistribution, with 3 years jail time
[22:30:53] hadees: xris, you sure i thought there were 2
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[22:31:27] xris: hadees: only things I've ever heard of are TMS and going directly to the channels.. and I'm pretty sure TMS has an exclusivity agreement with the channels.
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[22:32:25] hadees: i wish the FCC would force them to not screw with that data
[22:32:52] hadees: i hate nothing more when a new episode says it is like 10 years old
[22:32:52] xris: would be nice if there was just a database somewhere with public lookup for episode descriptions/etc.
[22:33:02] hadees: tv.com
[22:33:08] JasonX: yer tv.com
[22:33:10] xris: then TMS/etc would only have to broadcast the id
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[22:33:41] JasonX: i was gonna make a script to grab data from tv.com but...
[22:33:54] hadees: JasonX, but what?
[22:34:18] xris: need a freedb for tv.com
[22:34:19] hadees: i thought of that also but if you put the tv.com description up there your going to ruin the episode
[22:34:23] JasonX: well i'd spent 2 solid months on myth and thought maybe i should go back to work
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[22:34:59] JasonX: i meant to add the info to the videometadata table
[22:35:00] hadees: i don't know how you could display that data
[22:35:29] hadees: JasonX, i know i ment spoil the episode, you will know everything that happens
[22:35:35] JasonX: then it would be displayed in plot field
[22:36:02] laga: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . uite;#169880 – lxm suite was talking about a commercial rollout in spring of 2006. does anybody know more? ;)
[22:36:06] JasonX: i dunno if they give too much away i cnt remember i was just there checking sliders
[22:36:39] JasonX: lemme check say prison break see if they give it away
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[22:37:43] JasonX: no they dont really give it away at least not ep13 of pris break
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[22:38:25] JasonX: though i daren't read the info for ep14 which aired in US on monday
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[22:39:14] hadees: are most automated tasks like python or perl scripts or are they C or C++
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[22:39:58] squeegy: hadees: depends
[22:40:02] JasonX: i dunno, i was doing stuff in bash which was complete madness as it was mainly database stuff, BUT i wanted to master it (a little bit) b4 moving onto pearl and them PHP
[22:40:21] squeegy: Perl not pearl.
[22:40:32] JasonX: typo im ill
[22:40:46] JasonX: i even have the #perl channel open :)
[22:40:54] squeegy: haha, so do I :)
[22:41:09] xris: squeegy: it used to be pearl
[22:41:11] xris: :)
[22:41:29] JasonX: did the inventor name it after his auntie
[22:41:33] opello: 'and' just wasn't important enough?
[22:41:53] squeegy: xris: i was unaware of that actually
[22:41:59] xris: JasonX: something like that, actually
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[22:42:22] JasonX: i figure php is what i should have been using and will get around to learning it
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[22:42:35] xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl#Name
[22:42:39] squeegy: Perl was originally named "Pearl", after "the pearl of great price" of Matthew 13:46.
[22:42:39] JasonX: but the people on the bash channel here are very very good
[22:42:51] squeegy: learn something new every day
[22:42:56] opello: indeed
[22:43:05] hadees: JasonX, you should be using php instead of bash? what on earth are you doing
[22:43:23] mchou: hadees: php?? you gotta be kidding me
[22:43:33] opello: if you can do it in all 3, pick the most comfortable :)
[22:43:34] hadees: mchou, i didn't say it
[22:43:38] JasonX: grabbing imdb info for all my dvdr's
[22:43:56] hadees: JasonX, you don't want to use php for that, you want perl or python
[22:43:58] JasonX: and putting them in the db
[22:44:02] hadees: although you could use php
[22:44:08] JasonX: well it was mainly database manipulation
[22:44:25] hadees: php is for making websites
[22:44:25] JasonX: there's what about 6 tables u have to hit
[22:45:18] hadees: is mythrecipe dead now?
[22:45:21] JasonX: what does myth use (for scripted non c++ stuff) when hitting db
[22:45:37] JasonX: i know there is imdb.pl for grabbing the imdb info
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[22:46:04] r10: hi
[22:46:31] hadees: r10, hello
[22:46:41] xris: hadees: php is a full commandline scripting language now.
[22:47:03] xris: we uses it for a curses-based interface for our barcode scanners.
[22:47:06] JasonX: i thought php had kinda replaced perl but i dont know much about these things
[22:47:27] hadees: xris, yeah i know but still i would still use python or perl for scripts
[22:47:33] xris: granted, the scanners need to interface with the php-based objects since it was easier than coding new objects by hand (and makes the codebase easier to mantain)
[22:47:59] JasonX: barcodes... that takes me back
[22:48:02] xris: JasonX: no, completely different uses.. php is really best for web stuff, perl is best for manipulating text
[22:48:05] r10: what do I need to do if when I play a movie (in 2 parts) with Gallery view mode, it plays part 2 first...
[22:48:12] hadees: xris, i actually just had to code a script in php for work =)
[22:48:31] xris: hadees: I do all that time... but that's what I do. heh
[22:48:36] JasonX: r10 edit the videometadata
[22:48:40] xris: code in php/perl/bash and boss around kormoc.
[22:48:55] JasonX: u need to change childid and browse fields
[22:49:00] hadees: xris, i just converted a web app to make a cache html page
[22:49:28] JasonX: set child id of first part to point to second part and turn brose off for 2nd part
[22:49:48] JasonX: it takea a few sconds via webmin
[22:50:00] r10: JasonX: there I have that it should play part 2 after part 1, but how do I indicate what file I will play first ?
[22:50:38] JasonX: well part 1 has browse on, part 2 has browse off, so u cant even see part 2
[22:50:49] JasonX: part 1 links to part 2 so...
[22:51:11] hadees: xris, you and kormoc work together, did you get him into mythtv
[22:51:36] hadees: or her
[22:51:47] hadees: never know which to use, him is usally correct though
[22:52:11] JasonX: i've met a few women coders in my time
[22:52:11] kormoc: given my search for a sane lady, I am quite sure that I'm a him.
[22:52:24] hadees: irc is a sausage party
[22:53:06] hadees: kormoc, okay, just didn't want to offend, i did have some girl correct me a month ago
[22:53:07] JasonX: so who does the dvb stuff in mythtv
[22:53:42] r10: JasonX: is it "Parental Level" and what do I need to set it to ?
[22:53:54] JasonX: no not parental level
[22:54:13] hadees: off to night college
[22:54:16] kormoc: hadees, hehe, tis okay :)
[22:54:19] hadees: so long
[22:54:20] kormoc: hadees, and myth got me the job :)
[22:54:23] kormoc: hadees, see ya!
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[22:54:39] JasonX: my myth box is cloning itself at mo so i cant get onto it, i did all my stuff re mythvideo direct in the database, by hand or using scripts i wrote
[22:54:53] JasonX: got quite good at mysql if i say so myself
[22:55:11] JasonX: though TWICE i ***ed up, but i backed up each hour in case of this
[22:55:24] JasonX: one false update staement and bam
[22:55:49] JasonX: so anyway im not sure what u can or cant see in myth setup
[22:55:58] JasonX: what fields are there in edit video meta data
[22:56:16] JasonX: is there a childid field and a browseable field
[22:56:17] xris: JasonX: you've taken more time trying to back up that drive than it would be to just reinstall
[22:56:29] meushi: good night
[22:56:31] JasonX: yer but i have a heavy cold so cannot think
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[22:57:02] scopeuk: heh im 1337 at sql "select * FROM users where clue > 0
[22:57:06] scopeuk: 0 results
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[22:57:20] scopeuk: nargh actually im clueless but there you go
[22:57:47] JasonX: where is it at now
[22:58:06] JasonX: 1.5 hours left
[22:58:11] JasonX: it prolly wont work anyway
[22:58:21] scopeuk: hgeh welcome to my world
[22:58:36] scopeuk: 4 horus to install 18 horus to read the logs 30 seconds to realise your screwed
[22:58:52] mchou: haha!!
[22:59:20] JasonX: is there anything really major in 0.19 (over 0.18)
[22:59:46] scopeuk: telnet front end control
[22:59:56] mchou: JasonX: "major" depends on your perspective
[22:59:58] scopeuk: im sure there are other things under the hood i havent sporrted
[23:00:14] mchou: JasonX: check out the changelog on the mythtv wiki
[23:00:20] JasonX: well i have 0.18 running great, customised to as good as poss
[23:00:27] JasonX: yer i did read the changelog
[23:00:32] scopeuk: if your happy stay where you are
[23:00:40] mchou: JasonX: then you probably wont need 0.19 :)
[23:00:43] scopeuk: unless your liek me and are fond of fixing things
[23:00:45] JasonX: bui woudl like to know if maybe the db has been sped up
[23:01:04] scopeuk: well theniclay im never happy unless im chanign something
[23:01:06] JasonX: it is quite slow for me going into video or music
[23:01:14] JasonX: 15 secs or so
[23:01:29] JasonX: it does have a lot of records
[23:01:53] JasonX: but i dunno why it has to read them all or whatever it does
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[23:03:31] scopeuk: jason sense as you will have a backup of your current install on another hdd nuke the old one with .19 see if you like it then do it to your new hdd
[23:03:49] Kelerion: evening all
[23:05:09] JasonX: scope yer i might well do, though the old drive is destined for the bin as its iffy
[23:06:13] JasonX: i read of probs with 0.19 and nova-t's so thats why im cloning instead of 0.19ing
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[23:07:47] Owner: JasonX: I can't get my Hauppauge Nova-t to work with 0.19
[23:07:50] JasonX: though i have become a crystal-myth addict so will prolly get another drive and setup a devel machine and have a go
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[23:08:28] JasonX: owner : really there is a gossamer thread on it as i googled for a hour or 2 before doing it and based on stumbling on that deiced to hold off
[23:08:46] r10: how do I cahnge the order of witch file it plays when i play a video from browser/gallary view mode, now it starts playing numer 2 part first
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[23:09:05] Ste___: oops
[23:10:20] JasonX: r10: i thought i explained it
[23:10:57] r10: JasonX: yau say edit metadata, but what do I need to ediet in the metadata menu ?
[23:11:15] JasonX: what fields are there (i have no myth machine to hand)
[23:11:43] r10: JasonX: I have set i up to play part 2 after part 1, and IT works, but it still starts number 2 part first :(
[23:12:29] Ste___: what's the address for the gossamer threads Nova-t?
[23:12:30] JasonX: well if part 2 was made invisible by turning browse off that wouldnt be possible as you wouldne even be able to see part 2 (BUT i dunno if you can do that from meta data) i edited the db direct via webmin
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[23:12:42] JasonX: ste : i was just looking thru my bookmarks
[23:13:07] JasonX: r10 : what is the names of the fields in metadata
[23:13:08] Juski: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/187725
[23:13:10] Ste___: cheers :)
[23:13:17] Kelerion: hey Juski
[23:13:18] r10: there is Name, Category, Parental Control Play File After This, File To Always Play.., Include While Br...Cover Art, Unique Player C.. and the "Done"
[23:13:25] Juski: hiya Kelerion
[23:13:37] JasonX: whats that BR...
[23:13:42] Juski: got my pvr2000 card doing cctv duty as well as my DVR
[23:13:44] Kelerion: Jusky, I got my hands on a multiplexer today.. for free.. was gonna be thrown out because they didn't know what it was for
[23:13:54] Juski: include while browsing...
[23:14:11] JasonX: ok so you turn that BR... OFF for part 2 and ON for part 1
[23:14:14] JasonX: AND
[23:14:29] JasonX: you set part 1 to play the id for part to after
[23:14:34] JasonX: part2 that is
[23:14:36] Juski: Kelerion: a multiplexer is for combining (muxing) several cameras so you can record with a single channer time-lapse VCR
[23:14:49] Kelerion: yeah yeah... *I* know what its for.. but they didn't
[23:15:02] Kelerion: so they were binning it
[23:15:20] r10: JasonX: BR is ?
[23:15:25] JasonX: SO you need to edit meta data for part 1 AND part 2
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[23:15:29] Juski: Kelerion: it switches between inputs & inserts a code into the video output – a gray code per camera ;-) so on playback you get the right camera viewed
[23:15:48] Twiggy: Hey whats the setting for mythdvd to make it use the internal dvd player in Myth 0.19 as opposed to mplayer or xine?
[23:15:50] Juski: r10: it says "include while browsing"
[23:15:53] Kelerion: it looks old.. but it works pretty damn fine..
[23:16:07] Juski: Twiggy: it's in the FM.. set the command for playing DVDs to internal
[23:16:13] Juski: Kelerion: what make is it?
[23:16:18] Ste___: gahh.. that thread describes my experiences perfectly.. :/
[23:16:19] Kelerion: apparently: Norbain SD – American Dynamics : DMV99Q-1
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[23:16:45] JasonX: part 1 : include while Browsing = on, Play file after this = (id for part 2)  : Part2 = include while browsing = OFF, file to play after this = none
[23:16:45] Juski: Norbain... it might be one of ours, rebadged
[23:17:01] Kelerion: Duplex, 9 channel, Colour, 720x512, 230V AC, PAL, 270x432x44mm
[23:17:18] Kelerion: I can't find a picture of it anywhere though
[23:18:10] Juski: Kelerion: yep it's a one of ours I think... very old. does it look a bit like this? http://www.dedicatedmicros.com/uk/images/products/m17_2.jpg
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[23:19:06] Kelerion: not really... it's black.. 9 input switching buttons.. and little "up/down/left/right/enter" buttons.. and 8 more buttons for setup and vcr control
[23:19:36] JasonX: Ste : yer i think a trip back down memory lane (0.18) might be in order
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[23:20:38] Juski: Kelerion: it still could be one of ours – we made the very first ones in the world (!) and licenced them to lots of re-sellers
[23:20:54] Twiggy: Juski: I've been looking around for that specifically but I don't see a setting for that
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[23:20:59] Kelerion: might be then... will let you know if I find an image
[23:21:19] r10: JasonX: it still do not work, it is now set as you written, and it still play part 2 first :(
[23:21:31] JasonX: i wonder how hard it would be for myth to allow users to record/watch any/all streams on a single multiplex at same time
[23:21:31] Juski: Twiggy: utils/setting > settings > media settings > dvd > playback
[23:21:46] JasonX: r10 : that is not possible you must have your parts mixed up
[23:21:50] Juski: JasonX: that feature is being considered
[23:22:12] JasonX: r10: play part 1 on its own and check it plays ok
[23:22:32] Juski: whole mux recording will come eventually, but first there's important stuff to fix
[23:22:36] JasonX: juski: who codes it
[23:22:36] Twiggy: Juski: Aye, I still have the mplayer command in that line, that's what i'm needing to replace
[23:23:09] Juski: JasonX: a few people are involved in the DVB side of the code.. don't go hassling em
[23:23:28] JasonX: juski:  :) dont worry im not going to hassle anyone
[23:23:33] xris: heh.. I just came up with a GREAT donation system for people who don't want to give money but want to do something in thanks for mythweb/nuvexport... vote for my bugs on kde.org. heh.
[23:23:51] Juski: bugs, in kde?
[23:23:57] Juski: :-O
[23:24:02] xris: have to be logged in to see it: http://bugs.kde.org/votes.cgi?action=show_use . . . evermore.net
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[23:24:21] xris: bunch of little annoying things about kde... I want to switch from gnome, but little things just drive me nuts.
[23:24:33] Kelerion: Juski: http://www.norbain.co.uk/downloads/datasheets . . . eet_(A4).pdf
[23:24:43] Kelerion: thats the one.. got a photo in it
[23:24:44] Juski: I only use Gnome but I don't have a preference either way
[23:25:15] xris: Juski: I like things about both.. dislike things about both.
[23:25:20] r10: JasonX: in list mode I only see part on, but I have part 2 in the same folde, and I can see it and play it from a terminal (and it have same premision as part 2)....
[23:25:30] xris: I use gnome at home... switched to kde at work.. have been too lazy to pick one over the other.
[23:26:00] Juski: those opengl desktops look nice.. but currently only very heavy betas AFAIK
[23:26:20] JasonX: r10: i thought u were using gallery mode
[23:26:49] r10: JasonX: yes I do, but now I have just switch to see if I can see what is wrong
[23:27:06] Kelerion: like you say.. old.. but not bad for free :)
[23:27:16] JasonX: r50: u r playing from myth not terminal arent u?
[23:27:17] Juski: Kelerion: nah it's not one of ours.. I found one of the very 1st prototype muxers last year at work – all on veroboard & wirewrap – using a zn449 A/D converter
[23:27:32] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[23:27:44] Juski: bloody framestore using a zn449... yikes!
[23:28:21] Juski: all evolved from a T-shirt screen printing storage unit so the legend goes
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[23:28:26] Kelerion: I got another cam from maplins yesterday too.. one of their 70 quid ones.. b/w only but wider lense and it seems sharper too.. will show you a capture from it later
[23:28:36] JasonX: r50: i would set both parts back to play no part after and both browseable, check each part plays as youd expect, then set part 2 browse to off and check it ONLY plays part 1 ok, then link part 1 to part2
[23:29:23] Juski: this winfast pvr app ain't too bad – got it scheduled to record 4 hours every night.. takes up 4GB disk space. If a car gets damaged I look through the file
[23:29:25] JasonX: r50 : and obviously the lining only works within myth NOT in terminal or anything else
[23:29:49] Juski: just a damn shame ZM doesn't support ivtv cards :-( (and no plans to either by the look of it)
[23:30:25] Kelerion: am redownloading zoneminder now.. an FC3 one (which I prefer to mdk).. and have switched everything over to a better machine so I can run at a better framerate
[23:30:52] Juski: you can max out the PCI bus capturing full PAL res with 4 bttv cards
[23:30:58] JasonX: r50 i would name them xxxx.01 and xxxx.02 in the name filed of meta data as well so u dont get muddled down
[23:31:07] Kelerion: yup.. but I have my muxer now :))
[23:31:26] Juski: and anything less than PAL just won't do if you want a facial ID
[23:31:39] Kelerion: btw... I ran a couple of tests earlier..
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[23:31:58] Juski: Kelerion: yeh?
[23:32:18] Kelerion: you can run a cam on an svideo *and* on a composite.. on the same card.. simultaneously
[23:32:45] Juski: yeh but the bttv card doesn't have any extra video clamping so you lose framerate
[23:32:47] Kelerion: the tuner obviously won't work.. but thats still not bad
[23:32:51] JasonX: anyway im off to bedski
[23:32:58] JasonX: nice chatting
[23:33:00] Juski: our DVRs all have look-ahead clamping
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[23:33:05] Kelerion: was running full pal on my avermedia card
[23:33:13] r10: JasonX: it have no effect it I have Browsable on/off I can still see the file no matter what
[23:33:15] Kelerion: on both cams
[23:33:33] Juski: Kelerion: what framerate?
[23:33:40] Kelerion: 25
[23:33:47] Kelerion: at least it said it was.. and I couldn't see any drop
[23:33:50] Juski: 25 fps between 2 cams... still not ideal
[23:34:01] Kelerion: no no.. 25 fps on *each* cam
[23:34:12] Juski: I find that hard to believe
[23:34:22] Kelerion: at least it said it was.. and I couldn't tell any difference
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[23:34:30] Juski: play some timecoded video into each input.. then you'd see ;-)
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[23:34:46] Kelerion: good plan.. didnt think of that
[23:35:25] Juski: what video decoder is on the avermedia card?
[23:35:31] Kelerion: where can I get timecoded video from?? lol
[23:35:43] Juski: some lock onto signals faster than others, so it's concievable
[23:35:54] Juski: Kelerion: I've got a clip you can burn to DVD
[23:36:03] Kelerion: oh.. excellent
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[23:39:24] Juski: rendering it now...
[23:39:29] Kelerion: thanks
[23:39:55] Kelerion: they had a timelapse vcr too.. but I wasn't too bothered about that
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[23:40:16] Kelerion: didn't figure I'd need it with running it through a pc
[23:40:30] Juski: heh
[23:40:36] Juski: uploading it to webspace now
[23:40:59] Juski: when you've got it, burn it to DVD & play it looped
[23:41:10] Kelerion: ok.. will do
[23:41:35] Juski: it's one of the test pattern thingies I made for work for video testing
[23:42:07] Kelerion: ahh yeah.. I remember you mentioning it.. you were doing it vnc on something from work
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[23:42:13] Juski: aye
[23:42:25] Juski: can't do that now – they block vnc & ssh protocols
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[23:43:28] xris: Juski: blocking protocol or port?
[23:43:36] Juski: xris: protocol
[23:43:40] Kelerion: change your ssh port at home :)
[23:43:41] xris: ouch
[23:43:47] Kelerion: oh
[23:43:49] Juski: ssh gives me 'connection refused'
[23:43:57] xris: Juski: that'd likely port
[23:44:05] Juski: it's not though
[23:44:11] xris: on any port, then?
[23:44:23] Juski: they can't block the ports I was using – they need em for other stuff
[23:44:35] Juski: don't wanna put it on port 80
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[23:45:19] Juski: they've not just blocked my IP address either cos mythweb is still accessible
[23:45:51] xris: weird
[23:46:30] Kelerion: "connection refused" sounds like it's at least *getting* to your machine though
[23:46:38] Kelerion: otherwise it'd be a timeout or similar
[23:46:47] Juski: yes, that's what I thought
[23:47:10] Juski: and I've not set up a list of allowable IP addresses
[23:47:47] mithro: anyone here know about mythtv for mac?
[23:48:01] Juski: I've no linux firewall, so where else would it be? does sshd have an authentication list like .htaccess?
[23:48:21] xris: Juski: it can, yes... but never by default
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[23:48:36] xris: and usually only with ssh keys
[23:48:36] Juski: even so, it'd live in /etc/ssh wouldn't it?
[23:49:12] Juski: well I never specifically allowed only some hosts
[23:49:17] xris: yeah
[23:49:20] xris: that's weird
[23:49:24] Juski: and a friend of mine managed to connect last night
[23:49:34] Kelerion: what about your router? anything could be wierd in there?
[23:49:39] Juski: got to the login prompt, which is more than i can do from work now
[23:50:09] Juski: maybe we got a cleverer firewall
[23:50:46] Juski: my router can't ban IP addresses either – it's a simple NAT thing
[23:51:15] xris: nat would prevent inbound connections unless you port forward
[23:51:16] Kelerion: could be they are maybe blocking the protocol *incoming*? that might explain it.. not sure if thats do-able though..
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[23:51:43] Juski: xris: the ports are forwarded
[23:51:43] Kelerion: you can get to it.. but it can't answer/negotiate back type of thing
[23:52:28] Juski: I can live without access to my home machine during work hours
[23:52:38] bobc: any reason why hdparm -t /dev/hda would return consistently and significantly lower results with mythbackend running (and not apparenlty doing anything in particular)?
[23:52:45] Kelerion: well.. off to finish my film.. back later :)
[23:52:58] Juski: Kelerion: http://www.juski.co.uk/timecode.mpg
[23:53:19] Juski: literally just finished uploading
[23:54:27] Kelerion: downloading.. thanks :)
[23:54:34] Kelerion: will let ya know how it goe
[23:54:35] Kelerion: s
[23:54:39] Kelerion: catch ya later :)
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[23:55:23] k-man: hello
[23:55:27] k-man: anyone here in aus?
[23:55:41] k-man: have you noticed that ABC now goves rss feeds of program guide data?
[23:56:00] bobc: I get 20s in hdparm -t with mythbackend running and 50s without it, even on unmounted drives
[23:56:06] k-man: has anyone considered incorporating it into tv_grab_au?
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[23:57:42] Juski: k-man presumably there's not much point just for one channel
[23:58:03] k-man: no... but it would be good to get that data for that channel
[23:58:18] k-man: and anyway, who watches commercial tv anyway?
[23:58:23] ip_goat_rodeo: wish tv_grab_jp weren't such a heap of shite
[23:59:10] Juski: we'd all be more or less screwed in the UK if it wasn't for the Radio Times website (hallelujah)
[23:59:24] ip_goat_rodeo: but I have more important problems to quash before tackling that
[23:59:48] Juski: it's not difficult to scrape webpages & do a bunch of regex stuff (in theory)

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