Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 19th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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dtm:

CHRP systems have OF though, right?

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mchou:

dtm: Jobs didnt want to lose "market share" to windows :)

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mchou:

linux can boot from EFI, no?

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dtm:

i'd guess so, if i had to gues

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dtm:

s

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mchou:

I think the kernel supports it.

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dtm:

[dtm@shoelace Documentation]$ grep EFI /usr/src/kernels/2.6.9–22.0.2.106.unsupported-i686/.config

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dtm:

# CONFIG_EFI is not set

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dtm:

CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y

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dtm:

that's all i know.

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mchou:

anyway, if linux supports bootimg from EFI then it should be relatively simple.

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mchou:

if not, then it would take more than 6 months :)

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mchou:

dtm: no tool-chain gonna support that in 30 minutes :)

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ShockValue:

im thinking about running out to get a new antenna for my new hd3000 card, but im a bit hesitant to spend more money on this thing.. so far I'm getting a signal strength of 0.00 on every channel I try

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mchou:

ShockValue: bah, spend the money already

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ShockValue:

if i stick a coat hanger on the end, shouldnt i be getting /something/ for signal, even if it's totally weak?

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mchou:

how far you live from the towers?

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mchou:

ShockValue: a professional antenna install should set you back about $250, depending on your house, etc.

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ShockValue:

~6 miles as the crow flies, but there's an island with lots of trees in the way..

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mchou:

maybe it's $300 now, I havent kept track

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mchou:

naw, towers must be higher than the trees

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ShockValue:

me (at sea level) -> water -> island -> water -> seattle ~sea level

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mchou:

six miles you can probably make do with an indoor antenna like the silver sensor

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mchou:

otherwise I recommend the channel master 4228

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mchou:

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4228.html

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ShockValue:

any of those available at the local radioshack or anything? i'd love to get this running today :)

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Juski:

$300 to install an antenna? sheesh

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ShockValue:

i have no problem installing it myself... i just dont want to blow more $ to find out it wont work

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mchou:

Juski: what do you mean sheesh?

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Juski:

seems an awful lot to screw an aerial to your house

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mchou:

$300 is cheap. includes everything.

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Juski:

I don't like heights so I had a new aerial fitted to my house.. cost me £50 all in

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mchou:

Juski: BS. like getting the mast and alignment and warranty

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mchou:

never mind the anchoring......

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mchou:

and the house wiring

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Juski:

a mast? ahhh well there you're talking.. and if it's big enough to need extra support...

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ShockValue:

would one of those old uhf type antennas that people are throwing away off their houses work? my buddy said i could have his.

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mchou:

ShockValue: if you can do it yourself CM4228 will definitely work

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Juski:

my aerial sticks up about 2 feet from the chimney and the cable is less than 20metres long

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mchou:

ShockValue: old uhf should work

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mchou:

Silver Sensor is available at rat shack

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mchou:

or sears.

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mchou:

if it doent work return it :)

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mchou:

doesnt*

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Juski:

I cant see an installer needing to fit a new mast in every case though ;-)

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ShockValue:

yeah, ill just give it a try and return it, like you said... off to ratshack i guess

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ShockValue:

need screws to mount my new subwoofer anyway... :)

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mchou:

I wouldnt get screws at ratshact :)

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mchou:

ratshack

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ShockValue:

no, no.. the lowes is right next door

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mchou:

lowes might even carry Silver Sensor

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ShockValue:

hmmm.. thats a thought... I'll start there since i have a gift card :)

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mchou:

http://www.microsupply.com/product_info.php?p . . . 433?ref=2003

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mchou:

it looks like that

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ShockValue:

cool, thanks for the advice

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ShockValue:

ttyal

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mchou:

make sure you get the silver sensor, accept no substitutions

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** ShockValue{away} nods **

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ShockValue{away}:

you get kickbacks on those? :)

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mchou:

hell no

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mchou:

it's the reference indoor antenna is all

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mchou:

it's dristributed under several brands....but as long as it looks like the pic it prolly a silver sensor

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powerj:

makomk, Anythin special?

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jams:

hi powerj

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powerj:

jams, hello.

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jams:

powerj- becoming a myth user?

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powerj:

jams, maby, i am, is there any xbox-linux-mythtv distro around, that you know?

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powerj:

makomk, told me to get into here.

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jams:

xbox = http://bit.blkbk.com/

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jams:

I see

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LedFloyd:

I just installed SuSe on my box, and I have no clue where to start. Can anyone provide me with a good reference? Particularly how to run .RUN files and setting up other things like MythTV?

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makomk:

Hmm... interesting. I can't get MythTV 0.19 to work on my HVR-900 – it's not using v4l2, and not giving any hints why...

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yarddog:

i have most things installed for mythtv on gentoo, i have the account setup with zap2it, it fails to connect to the master server, im losing it here...ideas?

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yarddog:

You probably should modify the Master Server settings

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yarddog:

in the setup program and set the proper IP address.

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yarddog:

is this the mythtv-setup program its referring to?

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yarddog:

Couldn't open /dev/v4l/video0 to probe its inputs.

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yarddog:

anyone around?

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roger55:

yarddog hi

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roger55:

yarddog, is mythbackend running ?

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yarddog:

yes

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roger55:

yarddog, mysql as well?

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yarddog:

or at least it tells me its already running

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yarddog:

yes

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roger55:

yarddog, /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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roger55:

yarddog, /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

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yarddog:

i changed ip's as directed on the website too

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yarddog:

k

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roger55:

do you get any [!!] ?

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roger55:

or am I talking about the wrong problem?

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yarddog:

* Stopping MythTV Backend ...

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yarddog:

start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 19621: No such process [ !! ]

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roger55:

ah that means it probably died

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roger55:

yarddog, /etc/init.d/mythbackend zap start

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roger55:

yarddog, then try another one with restart

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roger55:

one/time

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yarddog:

it started but the restart still errors

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yarddog:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend zap start

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yarddog:

* Manually resetting mythbackend to stopped state.

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yarddog:

* Starting MythTV Backend ... [ ok ]

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yarddog:

then the restart had same result

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roger55:

then tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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roger55:

and see if you get something out of that

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drdaz:

hey there.. I've got a problem with myth not using bookmarks in recordings.. I've checked the mysql statements that get issued and they do return the correct values. For some reason playback just doesnt start from the bookmark I have set... Any ideas as to why?

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drdaz:

or where to look to figure it out?

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yarddog:

roger55, yes there are errors

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yarddog:

7 lines

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roger55:

yarddog, rafb.net/paste

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yarddog:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZSdVfx33.html

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sphing:

OT: any know a while to list all the functions in a c file

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roger55:

ah looks like you didn't properly set up your inputs--> video-source

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yarddog:

hrm

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roger55:

yarddog, and the permissions on /mnt/store aren't right

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yarddog:

im so new to this

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roger55:

yarddog, make sure /mnt/store is owned by the mythtv user and that it can write to that dir

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yarddog:

ok

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yarddog:

roger55, i didnt use a mythtv user, i followed this direction: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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roger55:

yarddog, emerge already added the mythtv user

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yarddog:

hrm

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roger55:

yarddog, you need to make sure permissions are set properly on /mnt/store

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yarddog:

how can i tell?

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roger55:

yarddog, ls -ld /mnt/store

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yarddog:

ls: /mnt/store: No such file or directory

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roger55:

haha

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roger55:

that's your problem then

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roger55:

you need to create the dir where you want to store recordings

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roger55:

then tell mythtv via mythtv-setup

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roger55:

yarddog, sorry I was a step ahead in troubleshooting there.

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yarddog:

mkdir /mnt/store

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yarddog:

mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/store': No such file or directory

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roger55:

yarddog, does /mnt exist ?

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roger55:

yarddog, something looks wrong here

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yarddog:

indeed

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ShockValue{away}:

well crap.. bought a new antenna for hidef, and i still get 0.00 signal.. could it be my hardware or configuration?

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yarddog:

roger55, i created /mnt, then /store

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mchou:

ShockValue{away}: haha

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mchou:

ShockValue{away}: you get a silver sensor?

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mchou:

or some POS

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mchou:

??

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roger55:

yarddog, how did /mnt/ go missing?

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ShockValue:

mchou – they didnt have one.. so i got some POS :)

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yarddog:

roger55, no clue

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mchou:

ShockValue: serves you right

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yarddog:

roger55, i installed gentoo with the new gui

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mchou:

for getting crap :)

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, I was on here earlier and then I restarted my xdm and lost my session. I asked if anyone knew the status of MythTV on intel Macs.

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yarddog:

roger55, no steps in that

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ShockValue:

mchou – i still dont think i should be getting 0.00 on signal though...

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mchou:

ShockValue: well, talk to the HD3k driver folks

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mchou:

maybe they disable sig strngth in the driver

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roger55:

yarddog, I see.

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mchou:

I know they did that in the Fusion driver

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yarddog:

roger55, any particular command i should give to that dir before running setup again?

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ShockValue:

im doing : dtvsignal -dvb 0 {random test channels here)

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mchou:

ShockValue: want kind of antenna you get?

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mchou:

ShockValue: gimme brand/model

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roger55:

yarddog, chown mythtv:users /mnt/store

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yarddog:

chown mythtv:users /mnt/store

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yarddog:

chown: `mythtv:users': invalid user

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mchou:

FunkyELF: this channel is logged. Look thru the logs

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ShockValue:

mchou: Terk HDTVi

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mchou:

ShockValue: oh god. That's some serious dogshit

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mchou:

ShockValue: return ASAP

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ShockValue:

like i said, it was the only one they had

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FunkyELF:

mchou, I don't see the log in the topic....could you point me there please?

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yarddog:

roger55, that worked with my current user

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yarddog:

doesnt appear to be a mythtv user

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mchou:

FunkyELF: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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roger55:

yarddog, are you still using 0.18 ?

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mchou:

ShockValue: how much did that antenna cost?

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yarddog:

mythtv-0.18.1-r1

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yarddog:

yes

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ShockValue:

3999

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yarddog:

that is what gentoo emerged

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mchou:

ShockValue: man, what a rip. return that POS

[02:01:21]

yarddog:

http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=mythtv

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ShockValue:

interesting.. i got some channels on a full scan... lets see what they look like

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roger55:

yarddog, ah ok then

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yarddog:

so i followed the directions on that wiki page

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yarddog:

is it wrong?

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FunkyELF:

yarddog, the newest version is masked

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yarddog:

obviously if it didnt have the /mnt/store

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roger55:

no. you just didn't create the directory

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FunkyELF:

you need to edit /etc/portage/package.keywords

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yarddog:

hrm

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roger55:

FunkyELF, let him set up 0.18

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FunkyELF:

roger55, why?

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roger55:

because he alread has that installed.

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roger55:

and 0.19 isn't that stable yet imho.

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FunkyELF:

heh...like anything in gentoo is considered stable

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yarddog:

hmmm

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mchou:

roger55: what's wrong w/19?

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FunkyELF:

I never had to unmask as much crap as I had to when I wanted to get mythtv installed

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mchou:

roger55: consideing an upgrade here soon.....

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FunkyELF:

I had to unmask the ivtv drivers to get ones that worked

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roger55:

mchou, I've had my share of trouble with dvb-s hz versus khz issue

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yarddog:

shall i run mythtv-setup again now to see if i continue to get errors?

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mchou:

roger55: lol

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mchou:

roger55: it's called RTFM :)

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roger55:

mchou, eh?

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FunkyELF:

I upgraded to .19 in gentoo and had no problems other than permission issues with switching mythbackend to run as a user process. I think it was just changing permissions on /mnt/store

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mchou:

roger55: hz vs. khz

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roger55:

mchou, show me the manual that explains this issue please.

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roger55:

yarddog, or restart the backend

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yarddog:

it restarted that time

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yarddog:

after i zapped it

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roger55:

works ok now?

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mchou:

roger55: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.19

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yarddog:

roger55, the restarting worked

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mchou:

roger55: "Finetuning changed from Hz to kHz for better adjustment"

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roger55:

mchou, that's not what I meant.

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mchou:

roger55: what did you mean then?

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roger55:

mchou, it says khz but really means hz, if you enter the value in khz you get out of range....

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yarddog:

roger55, http://rafb.net/paste/results/70gIVj92.html

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yarddog:

is that ip correct?

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roger55:

no idea, but it looks ok

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yarddog:

okie, ill test it now, brb, thank you.

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mchou:

sigh, should had bought a bigger PSU.

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yarddog:

roger55, running frontend gives a black screen, have to use control-alt-backspace to get back

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yarddog:

what does that mean?

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roger55:

yarddog, does X work at all?

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mmead:

anyone able to play 1080i with bob on .19?

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yarddog:

not after running frontend

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yarddog:

i tried 'esc' and it didnt help

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mmead:

ahtlon 64 1800mhz cpu idle is 0% and tons of glitches with bob deinterlacing, cpu idle is 20–30% with linear blend, about 40–50% idle with no deinterlacing

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mmead:

I think maybe 1080i jumps to 120hz or triggers some other wild thread bug

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roger55:

yarddog, don't know.

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shiznix:

eiggirC makomk: further to that problem with MythTV capturing only the left audio channel, it turns out it's a known bug with ALSA (affects any soundcard that uses alsa kernel module snd-via82xx), not a bug in MythTV at all -> http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10153

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yarddog:

roger55, its still not connecting to a source

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yarddog:

Starting up as the master server.

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yarddog:

is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.

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yarddog:

My TV is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.

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yarddog:

Unable to write to client socket, as it's no longer there

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yarddog:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend zap start * Manually resetting mythbackend to stopped state. * Starting MythTV Backend ... [ !! ]

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roger55:

tv-card, input, video source

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roger55:

I think they are called.

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yarddog:

now it wont zap it either

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yarddog:

:(

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roger55:

yarddog, good luck, bedtime over here.

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yarddog:

ok, thanks for your help.

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Juski:

morning Kelerion

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Kelerion:

morning :)

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Kelerion:

how's one?

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Juski:

bit tired.. must go to bed soon. been making dvd intros

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Kelerion:

for anything interesting?

[02:45:41]

Juski:

had the police round today looking at the scally knocking my mirror off

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Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/ ;-)

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Kelerion:

what did they have to say about it?

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Juski:

went out for a bit in the afternoon, found an answerphone message saying they might want to 'seize' my DVR (!)

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Kelerion:

lol

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Juski:

I burned the evidence to CD – hopefully that'll keep em happy

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DMJC:

lol

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DMJC:

you have a dvr hooked to a cctv system?

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powerj is now known as powerj|sleeping

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Kelerion:

what they told me what that burning to disk wasn't much use.. it would then take them "weeks to convert into something we can actually use"... so they just suggested I print snapshots

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Kelerion:

sod knows what they use if not dvds.. probably tapes

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Juski:

the DVR is my CCTV system: http://www.dedicatedmicros.com/europe/file.ph . . . ct_print.jpg

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DMJC:

what's the mythtv intro file for?

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DMJC:

looks awesome

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Juski:

oh they got printed stills alright

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mmead:

Juski: you watch 1080i with bob?

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Juski:

the DVD intros are for mythburn

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Juski:

mmead: just plain old 720i in the UK

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mmead:

Juski: I am seeing 0% idle with 1080i bob

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DMJC:

heh I wouldn't mind having a movie play to cover the damn startup

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mmead:

Juski: 20–30% idle with 1080i linear blend

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mmead:

Juski: 40–50% idle with 1080i no deinterlacing

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mmead:

Juski: all of those play fine, even while compiling etc.

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DMJC:

shame we don't have linuxbios

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mmead:

Juski: 1080i bob – 0% idle, VERY frequent glitching

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DMJC:

I'd love to get the kernel booting in seconds instead of minutes

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Juski:

mmead: I saw.. no idea what's going on there apart from you lacking CPU power (maybe).. try with XvMC and version 7667 or older of nvidia drivers

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mmead:

Juski: when I get xvmc going, it fails immediately on any HD stream I pull off the air

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** Juski 's EPIA PXE booted system comes up in around 60 secs **

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mmead:

Juski: athlon 64 @1800mhz

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Juski:

it's not really 1800 mhz though if its number is 1800 is it?

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Kelerion:

my boxes very rarely get rebooted.. so am not too bothered about how quick they boot up

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mmead:

1800mhz

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mmead:

3000+

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mmead:

not useful to talk "model number" if you ask me :)

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Juski:

if a 64bit CPU at that speed struggles with HDTV god help you

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DMJC:

hehehe

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DMJC:

X2 4400+

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DMJC:

it handles HDTV smoothly..

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DMJC:

damn smoothly heh

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Juski:

DMJC: so it damn well should ;-)

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mmead:

Juski: I would think it should be plenty fast as well, too.

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DMJC:

the real fun is with XGL/compiz

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DMJC:

mplayer for the win

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mmead:

Juski: I think there is a .19 bug with 1080i – maybe it goes to 120hz on bob

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Kelerion:

hd plays fine on my p4 3.4ghz.. and can just about play on my athlon 2800.. but *just* and can jutter the image if you watch carefully

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mmead:

mplayer plays the same thing with no deinterlacing with 60% idle

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Juski:

I played some 1080i mpeg2 on my shitty windows box last night (2800)

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Kelerion:

they play alright?

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mmead:

Juski: 1080i was *close* to playing on this same vid card and drives in an athlon xp 1733mhz

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Juski:

a bit jerky, but 720p was LUSH

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mmead:

do mpeg stream errors cause cpu rate to go up

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mmead:

?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

I would imagine if your playing is trying to compensate... probably.. but am guessing

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mmead:

I get occasional errors pulling HDTV off the air

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mmead:

I still suspect a 1080i bob bug

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mmead:

given mplayer is playing it in 1/3 the cpu without deinterlacing

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Juski:

there was a -dev list thread or 10 about something to do with that

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mmead:

hmm

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mmead:

maybe I should subscribe

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mmead:

I cannot get xvmc to work with live air2pc OTA reception *at all*

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Juski:

no need- just look at the archives

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mmead:

Juski: any idea of timeframe?

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Juski:

last week or so

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DMJC:

yay

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DMJC:

fsck finally finished

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Kelerion:

Juski, just downloaded all those intros.. they look nice... good work

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DMJC:

time to see if my system is boned

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mmead:

DMJC: I *almost* bought the cheapest X2

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Kelerion:

I like the robots the best :)

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DMJC:

eeew

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nosun:

where can I get a simple tutorial on installing myth tv on debian..... prefferably using apt

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mmead:

DMJC: I wish I had

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nosun:

?

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DMJC:

3800 is crap

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DMJC:

heh

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DMJC:

512kb cache/core

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mmead:

DMJC: $130 more than my socket 939 3000+

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mmead:

DMJC: yeah, but it would beat out what I have

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nosun:

?

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DMJC:

mine has 1mb cache/core

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DMJC:

3800/4200/4600 all have 512KB

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DMJC:

4400/4800 have 1mb

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mmead:

yes, I know

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Kelerion:

is mythburn working on current cvs btw?

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mmead:

what does a 4400 cost?

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DMJC:

$760.00 AU

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mmead:

ouch

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DMJC:

and that was wholesale

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DMJC:

that was before christmas

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mmead:

the 3800 would do :)

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mmead:

2006-03–18 21:59:38.895 NVP: prebuffering pause

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mmead:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2aaaabf4ce70]ac-tex damaged at 37 21

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mmead:

I assume that's stream errors

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DMJC:

I really should get out the powerdrill

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DMJC:

need to get my G5 case done

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DMJC:

it's just sitting there atm

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mmead:

G5?

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Juski:

cheers Kelerion... and now I'm off for some sleep.. there'll be more intro vids soon no doubt ;-)

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mmead:

Juski: cya

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Kelerion:

g'night Juski :)

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Kelerion:

anyone have a current link to the latest mythburn?

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DMJC:

yes

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DMJC:

I bought a G5 powermac tower case

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DMJC:

going to shove my X2 into it

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mmead:

lol

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mmead:

I was thinking about picking up a Mac Mini duo core tomorrow

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Kelerion:

it's ok.. got it thanks

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DMJC:

oh crap

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DMJC:

my db may be trashed

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nosun:

can someone give me a link to a howto on installing mythtv on debian

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nosun:

please:)

[03:08:13]

DMJC:

ah

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DMJC:

no /var/log/mythtv

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DMJC:

causing mysql to fail starting

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dtm:

DMJC: perhaps you mean mythbackend

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dtm:

nosun: google can

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nosun:

google cannot;)

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nosun:

google=evil

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nosun:

for millions of years they've been overworking hobbits

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dtm:

never! are we talking about the same google?!

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nosun:

all just to satisify us in the 20–21st century

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nosun:

one of those 2

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nosun:

;)

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ftp3:

i got a new hd and i want to mirror my old one since its all nice and customized.. is there a utility like ghost that will allow me to make my / partition bigger on the new hd? its currently at 97% ;-)

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cout:

hmm, the frontend seems to be going really slowly. maybe I have opengl enabled? how do I disable opengl?

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trock13:

Hey, i have a problem, my tuner has stopped tuning, all i get on my tv is fuzz, like when the coax is not plugged in, but it is

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trock13:

anyone ever seen that happen before?

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poke:

what tuner is it?

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trock13:

pvr-50

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trock13:

150

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poke:

is this just under mythtv?

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trock13:

no, even when i cat from the command line

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trock13:

actually, what happens when i cat is the screen is green but i hear the fuzz

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** poke head scratching **

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trock13:

actually, i jad this same card but it stopped working, so i exchanged it cause i just bought the broken one, but it should act exactly the same right? I mean all the crivers are the same and everythign

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poke:

happened to me twice before but different hardware,

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cout:

trock13: did you try plugging the cable into a tv to make sure you have a signal?

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trock13:

yp

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trock13:

yep

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cout:

did you reboot?

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trock13:

yeah

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cout:

that

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trock13:

that wouldn't have anything to do with the modprobe.connf would it?

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cout:

that's all the easy guesses

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trock13:

maybe i'll try a hard reboot

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nosun:

whats a good amount of ram for mythtv?

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cout:

I suppose it could, if you have the wrong tuner configured or something

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trock13:

well, while i am rebooting, i'll ask another question

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nosun:

I know that 64mb ain't cutting it

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nosun:

:p

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nosun:

;)

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trock13:

oftentimes when i exit livetv to go to the mythfrontend the whole program quits and the command line reads "segmentation fault"

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trock13:

I am running with 512

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trock13:

but i think 256 would work

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poke:

trock13 the seg fault shouldn't affect the card

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trock13:

yeah, i know, but i dont like it

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poke:

nosun: it depends what you want mythtv to do for you

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poke:

nosun i have 1GB but i have 3 tuners

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poke:

one of them is DVB

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poke:

which is a memory hog

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poke:

trock13: you previously mentioned getting a replacement card, so you never had your system working with this card?

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trock13:

yeah

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trock13:

it worked before the one died

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poke:

you may need to reconfigure the card

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poke:

re-tune etc..

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poke:

make sure you have the correct module for the tuner loaded

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nosun:

well I got mythtv installed now to get to using it

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nosun:

:p

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trock13:

sorry, i'm kind of a noob, where exactly would i do that?

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trock13:

i'm sure i did that but i dont rememberwihch step it was

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poke:

i've never set up any of the pvr cards so wouldn't know of the specific card quirks

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poke:

does mythtv identify your card? (through mythtv-setup)

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trock13:

yeah

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poke:

ok, have you tried to tune the channels through there?

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trock13:

through mythtv? yeha

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trock13:

yeah

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cout:

ok, so if I use mythfrontend -O UseOpenGLPainter=0, that disables opengl in the ui, but how do I make that setting permanent?

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poke:

trock13, i've just been googling pvr150 and it's ot some quirks to it ... something about not detecting properly ivtv settings etc..

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poke:

trock13, have a look at this link: http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,2988.0.html

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poke:

trock13, it's a step by step to making it work with (a) linux (b) myth

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trock13:

wow, thanks

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trock13:

my roomies have taken over the tv...arg

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Kelerion:

so watch tv on your pc?

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trock13:

i only have a laptop

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trock13:

no lcd

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Kelerion:

huh?

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trock13:

i have no monitor

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trock13:

i only have a laptop

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Kelerion:

ok.. so why can't you watch tv on that?

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Kelerion:

am watching tv on my lcd monitor now

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trock13:

cause my laptop is different than my mythbox

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cout:

or watch what your roommates are watching

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trock13:

i've tried to do it through vnc...

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poke:

??

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trock13:

i am, but i want to fix my mythbox

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cout:

trock: you can run the frontend on your laptop

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Kelerion:

my mythboxes are downstairs.. am watching tv on my dev machine in my office

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trock13:

hmm...

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poke:

you can run the mythfrontend on a pc other than the mythbox

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trock13:

never thought about that...shoot!

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nosun:

quick question whats the diff between you guys and freevo

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nosun:

?

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cout:

won't help if you are still just getting static when you record, though

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trock13:

but i am running windows on my laptop, so that is a huge obsticale...haha

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cout:

easy fix for that

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trock13:

true...

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Kelerion:

trock13.. am using vlc to watch the mpg's directly

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trock13:

vlc?

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ProtocoLD:

anyone know where to get the latest copy of pvr.pl for the hauppauge cards ?

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ProtocoLD:

http://dc1.snapperworld.net/files/mythtv/pvr.pl seems to be down

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trock13:

oh...vlc

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ProtocoLD:

google shows nothing and mail archives also show nothing

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ShockValue:

wooo hooo.. i got some hdtv output :)

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ShockValue:

now trying to figure out how to make it go in myth :)

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ProtocoLD:

ShockValue : which card ?

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ShockValue:

hd3000

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DMJC:

getting black bars on my screen

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DMJC:

in both 4:3 and 16:9

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DMJC:

16:9 is esp bad since it's a widescreen tv

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ShockValue:

it was difficult to get running, but 90% of it had nothing to do with the card itself... i just had to upgrade kernels, move from devfs -> udev, etc.. so it got complicated (for a linux newb like me)

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ProtocoLD:

so... can anyone answer my question ?

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trock13:

i cant

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ProtocoLD:

where to get the latest copy of pvr.pl for the hauppauge cards ?

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ShockValue:

what does pvr.pl do?

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ProtocoLD:

it's an automated script for Hauppauge3xx cards

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ShockValue:

oic.. sorry, i dont have one of those, or any info

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ProtocoLD:

site was up this morning... went to rebuild my box later this afternoon

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ProtocoLD:

and it's not up anymore

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trock13:

well, thanks for your help, i might be back later to iron out that segmentation fault

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ProtocoLD:

i have an HD3000 card as well

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ProtocoLD:

though i haven't had the time to work on it

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ShockValue:

if you're running 2.6.12+ it should be a breeze :)

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DMJC:

anyone know howto fix this issue of stuff being wide but thin

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DMJC:

despite the screen being set to 16:9

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dmz:

howdy y'all

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dmz:

i have a file listed in my recordings but the file isn't there so i can't delete it

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ProtocoLD:

maybe so... but i'd prefer the hauppauge card for now since it has both an encoder & decoder

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dmz:

how can i clean this up?

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ShockValue:

ProtocoLD – agreed

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DMJC:

basically I need mplayer to run everything stretched to fullscreen..

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DMJC:

is there a way to tell it to do that?

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eleazar123:

hey guys, where is the config file that tells myth what theme to load on mythfrontend?

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ShockValue:

eleazar123: its in the mysql database i believe

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eleazar123:

ah ok, thanks

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poke:

dmz: this is a fudge but have you tried, touch /path/mythfilename then

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Kelerion:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:qlNLvgEbn . . . lnk&cd=1

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ProtocoLD:

can anyone else check & see if they can pull down this link...

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ProtocoLD:

http://dc1.snapperdragon.net/files/mythtv/pvr.pl

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poke:

dmz: then delete it through myth?

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dmz:

poke, i don't know what the filename is

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dmz:

it only says "can't open file" doesn't give me a filename

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poke:

so how do you know it isn't there?

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dscoular:

It'll be in the backend log

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dmz:

because it says so :)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 20:19:27.016 Error: File 'file not found' missing.

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dmz:

that is from mythfrontend

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dmz:

backend doesn't show anything

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dscoular:

lol: it's complaining about a file called 'file not found' ;)

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dtm:

dmz: what is up, son

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mithro:

hi! is there a good resource for converting DVB mythtv recordings to DVD compatable stuff?

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dscoular:

you want nuvexport or mythburn

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dmz:

ahh i think i found it

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dmz:

hey dtm

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dmz:

i had been trying to setup a 2nd tuner, that's where it got lost!

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dtm:

dmz: are you new to mythtv?

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dtm:

dmz: did you read mythbackend.log

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dmz:

dtm, not really

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dtm:

dmz: i just upgraded to 0.19

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dmz:

dtm, it was a broken 2nd server

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dmz:

dtm, i found it but was looking at wrong log (server)

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dtm:

oic

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eleazar123:

hey guys, how do i define what dvdrom to ues to play dvd's? i click 'play dvd' and nothing happens :(

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dtm:

dmz: my frontend doesn't have a log apparently.

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dtm:

dmz: you can have it log to the database

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dmz:

ok, now that that is fixed...i've been trying to get a 2nd tuner working. i can "cat /dev/video > file" & vlc the file, but whenever mythtv tries to use it it gets garbage

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dscoular:

eleazar123: Its in the "DVD Settings >> General" screen

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mithro:

is mythburn an official plugin yet?

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dtm:

dmz: what manner of tuner is it? hardware encoder, i see. is it a problem with resolution?

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dtm:

dmz: not all tuner drivers are v4l compliant for changing channels and resolutions

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dmz:

dtm it is a pvr500

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ProtocoLD:

my mistake... posted the wrong link....

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ProtocoLD:

http://dc1.snapperworld.net/files/mythtv/pvr.pl

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dmz:

dtm i have a pvr350 working on main box in living room

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dmz:

dtm just trying to get 2 more tuners working (ie 500)

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ProtocoLD:

can anyone get that ?

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Kelerion:

ProtocoLD.. did you click the link I posted?

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ProtocoLD:

checking

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dscoular:

ProtocoLD: no joy on that url

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eleazar123:

anybody know what might cause a segmentation fault? i got it originally when i changed the theme, and now it gives it to me everytime i try to load mythfrontend :(

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dtm:

dmz: ok so what is the nature of the problems

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dmz:

dtm 1 sec, i think i have some paths wrong

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dtm:

dmz: you should try viewing with mplayer and changing channels

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dmz:

dtm viewing with mplayer/cat /dev/video works

[04:37:29]

dtm:

dmz: ok how about changing channels during that

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dtm:

dmz: perhaps using a command from xawtv

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dmz:

in mythtv doesn't i am thinking that i don't have the live recording spool directory

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dtm:

dmz: by default, everything is under /mnt/store

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dmz:

hmm i see in mythtv-setup where i can set recordings directory, where is setting for live tv spool dir

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dmz:

dtm, i'm using a debian build, nothing in /mnt ;)

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dtm:

but of course not.

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dmz:

hmm so where is the settings to configure this, in mythtv-setup?

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dtm:

dmz: yeah i think so.

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dtm:

dmz: you can run that on the frontends too

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ProtocoLD:

Kelerion : unfortunately the cache of the script is not formated properly... but more importantly... the script points back to the same unreachable site

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ProtocoLD:

thanks anyway though

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dmz:

dtm, i didn't find any directory settings on mythfrontend/setup

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dmz:

i am getting errors of mythtv: could not connect to socket

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dmz:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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dtm:

dmz: ok wel you can make symlinks too.

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dmz:

dtm, i try to avoid doing things that way unless there isn't a config option, which i'm pretty sure there should be :)

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dtm:

dmz: yeah i'm just suggesting it as a potentially quick method

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dmz:

:)

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** dmz goes to fire up strace **

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** dmz thinks there has to be a place the Cache is configured through a gui... **

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nosun:

can anyone tell me anything about Aims Video Highway Xtreme?

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nosun:

if its any good

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nosun:

based on vt chip

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nosun:

or whatever

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nosun:

bt878

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nosun:

can someone tell me if its a good card?

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nosun:

or any better then Zoltrix TVMax?

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nosun:

no 848

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nosun:

the chip on it is a 848

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eternaluxe:

anyone?

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dmz:

CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed ahhh yeah it can't find cache

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dmz:

but i can't find wehre to configure cache

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dmz:

eternaluxe what was your q?

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eternaluxe:

no q. just logged in. checking to see who's alive

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dmz:

ah

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eternaluxe:

I'm pre mythtv. Watching my digital cable, trying to figure out if there is a card I can use with it. Damn comcast.

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dmz:

one other question if anyone knows it...where are the settings to setup housekeeping to clean up "old" files. i want to disable it :)

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dmz:

eternaluxe hdtv? or just digital cable?

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eternaluxe:

digital w/ hstv (where applicable) all are digi, some are hd

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eternaluxe:

hstv -> hdtv

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eternaluxe:

I know it will be worth it. I'm trying to figure out what hardware to get.

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dmz:

http://www.pchdtv.com/ ?

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eternaluxe:

I've read up on the dvico fusion, but haven't seen anything solid (concerning mythtv) yet

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dmz:

this is frustrating, i know there has to be an option somewhere for the livetv-cache!

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eternaluxe:

well, how do you do? That's looks to be a fine card. I will check into that.

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ShockValue:

dmz – i think there was one in the last version, but i dont remember seeing it in the new one.. I believe it just uses the same place that it stores the tv recordings since it's all the same thing now

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ShockValue:

eternaluxe – hd3000 card is probably the most popular hdtv card among mythtv users

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ShockValue:

dmz – make sure your mythtv user has write access to that directory, etc

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dmz:

shockvalue i'm going to have to check the database manually to find out where it's set, it looks like latest version doesn't have a config option for livetv/cache :(

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eternaluxe:

dmz, I wish i could help you with your current problem. ShockValue, That card, it is hdtv, but will it decode the digital cable signal?

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eternaluxe:

duh. specs say, "Yes."

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eternaluxe:

*mouth waters*

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eternaluxe:

*check book releases moths*

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eternaluxe:

*gets back to earning the ducats*

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dscoular:

dmz: select * from settings where value='LiveBufferDir';

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eternaluxe:

Thanks for the heads up, gang. I will be back. I want to set up the back end. I just want to know, is there a front-end solution that is platform agnostic? (my guess is no)

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ShockValue:

eternaluxe – dont think so.. ive heard it runs on mac, xbox and stuff, but its all linux based

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ShockValue:

there's a windows version, kinda, but it doesnt really work

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eternaluxe:

I was thinking about setting up a linux back with networked file system using a mac mini front end (nice and quiet, inexpensive)

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eternaluxe:

multiple front ends. Kitchen, office, den yada yada yada

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eternaluxe:

First things first though. Backend.

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dmz:

:(

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dmz:

i can get video manually from tuner but mythbackend just barfs & says it can't find inputs!

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dmz:

ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 4

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dmz:

TVRec(3) Error: CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed

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dmz:

i saw this before when it couldn't write to cache, but the cache looks ok now

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** dmz goes to strace mythbackend **

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eternaluxe:

-dmz, -ShockValue: Thanks for your time. :) I will be back with questions and answers. Hopefully. Bye for the present.

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dmz:

anyone know what argument "--verbose" needs for mythbackend? i've tried #'s but it doesn't like those

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dtm:

dmz: doesn't just '-v' work?

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dmz:

1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) hmm that doesn't look good for database connections

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dmz:

dtm and no, -v says "argument needed"

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dtm:

dmz: mythbackend -v help

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dtm:

that'll say

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dmz:

danka

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dtm:

k

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.925 Input #0: 'Tuner' schan(3) tun(Undefined) v4l1(NTSC) v4l2(NTSC)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.927 Input #1: 'Composite 0' schan() tun() v4l1(NTSC) v4l2(NTSC)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.930 Input #2: 'Composite 1' schan() tun() v4l1(NTSC) v4l2(NTSC)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.932 Input #3: 'S-Video 0' schan() tun() v4l1(NTSC) v4l2(NTSC)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.934 Input #4: 'S-Video 1' schan() tun() v4l1(NTSC) v4l2(NTSC)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.936 Channel(/dev/video1): SetFormat(Default) fmt(NTSC) input(0)

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dmz:

2006-03–18 21:25:48.938 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 4

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dmz:

anyone have any suggestions?

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dtm:

dmz: okay so playback *and* channel changing work fine in mplayer but not mythbackend?

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dscoular:

dmz: are you sure you have verified channel changing in mplayer ?

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dtm:

yeah verify that ^_^

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dmz:

i'm scanning for channels with mythtv-setup and it's find them

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dmz:

but i'll re-verify that with mplayer

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dtm:

k

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dtm:

dmz: every time mythbackend activates recording, it issues a channel change afaik

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dscoular:

dmz: it's returning nothing on the following call methinks: int input = GetInputByName(inputname);

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dscoular:

dmz: where inputname is "Tuner 0"

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dscoular:

dmz: I'd consider removing the card and re-adding it within mythtv-setup

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dmz:

ok, how do i tell mplayer to use /dev/video0

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dscoular:

dmz: I can't really remember... I stopped using analogue over a year ago... you need the appropriate tuning frequencies what ever app you use.

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dmz:

yeah that's what i was trying to avoid

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dmz:

let me remove tuner & readd

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dscoular:

dmz: I think there's a string mismatch somewhere

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dscoular:

'dmz: Tuner' != 'Tuner 0' perhaps

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dmz:

well in mythtv-setup scanning for channels find the channels

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dmz:

2–120 or so

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dscoular:

And you've associated those channels with your guide data ?

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dmz:

yeah

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dmz:

i have another backend/frontend working fine

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dmz:

just the 2nd backend is not :(

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dscoular:

dmz: so now you have removed and added the card back into the db...

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dmz:

doing that now

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dscoular:

dmz: what does 'select * from cardinput' tell you

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dmz:

1 sec let me get it

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Led-Hed:

I'm trying to install MythTV on Ubuntu (Breezy) but the only packages I can find are for MythTV 0.18.1. Anyone know where I can find 0.19 and possibly the IVTV packages?

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dmz:

1 | 1 | 1 | Tuner | | 0 | N | | 2 | 1 | NULL | NULL | 11700000 | 10600000 | 9750000 | |

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dmz:

shoudln't it show more, if i have another backend + this new one?

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dmz:

should i have to rerun mythfilldatabase with new tuner?

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dscoular:

dmz: hmm, dunno as I said I use DVB and a single backend. Logically, I would agree...

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Likwid:

hey guys im running gentoo, and when i type 'mysql -p' and then 'mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql' it says Error 1045: Access denied for root@localhost (Using password: No) but i set up a password

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thechris:

Likwid: did you do that emerge --configure command (it says at end of emerge mysql

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Likwid:

ok i think it just worked :)

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Likwid:

i emerged mysql seperately

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Likwid:

i didnt do configure, but i got mysql started, added a password, and now when i type a command it says access denied, but i can log into the server fine, i just cant run anything outside of it

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dscoular:

Likwid: You need to read up about mysql access control methinks

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Likwid:

argg got it but now it says mythconverg DB exists lol, i guess it must have worked before and i didnt know it

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dmz:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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dmz:

hmm

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dmz:

yeah it's working!

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dmz:

ok anyone know what picture-n-picture button is to test that both inputs are now there?

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dmz:

nm, got it

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dtm:

dmz: o/

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dmz:

yeah 3 inputs now working!

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dmz:

too bad the pvr500 & pvr350 don't like to run in the "same" box

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dtm:

why not

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dscoular:

dmz: Just out of curiosity... does the master backend list all the cards now ?

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dmz:

i found lots of references on google about it

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dtm:

:-[

[06:25:11]

dmz:

yes it does

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dmz:

show's all 3 now

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dscoular:

dmz: sweet

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dmz:

dscoular, ditto! :)

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** dmz goes to turn on 2 recordings & watch live tv to ensure it's happy **

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dtm:

dmz: so you have two hosts containing your 3 tuners?

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Led-Hed:

where can I find MythTV 0.19 packages for Deb/Ubuntu (Breezy) ?

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dmz:

dtm 2 hosts, 3 tuners, main box @ tv (65" sony with hdmi input @ 720p) with pvr350, office box with pvr500

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EricL:

:

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dmz:

is there any easy way to "disable" one of the inputs? or should i just delete it?

[06:32:32]

dmz:

nm, just going to remove the input association with it

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dmz:

ugh! now mythtv-setup won't run!

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hydroksyde:

err... what happens if I only have 1 tuner, and i'm watching TV one one channel, and have a program scheduled to start on another?

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dtm:

dmz: why not ^_^

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dtm:

hydroksyde: by default, it goes to the recording

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hydroksyde:

excellent

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dtm:

at least in 0.19

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hydroksyde:

yes yes

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dmz:

dtm no idea it just tooka long time (60+ seconds)

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dtm:

k

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hydroksyde:

note to self... find another tuner

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hydroksyde:

and err

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hydroksyde:

everyone else

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dmz:

ugh! now it stopped working again! ok at least i know what to do to fix it!

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dtm:

k

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dmz:

egad, now all my channels aren't listign properly!

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dmz:

its only listing the channel #'s, not the associated name!

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dmz:

ok any reason it would list channels as "channel X" but not have the associated naem with it anymore?

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dscoular:

dmz: Are all your frontends and backends matching versions ?

[07:02:28]

dmz:

yeah

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dmz:

it's wierd

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dmz:

they are all off by 1 #

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dscoular:

When you select cardinput is there a row of nulls or any other weirdness ?

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dmz:

no

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dscoular:

So the cardinput looks correct ?

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dmz:

checking now

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dmz:

i think when i did the scan for channels it messed it up

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dscoular:

dmz: sorry... dropped off for a second.

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dmz:

yeah i think that when i scanned for channels it messed it up

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dmz:

going to start over i think

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dscoular:

k... good luck

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dmz:

thanks

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dmz:

how annoying

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dmz:

i finally get 2 tuners working and then channels get borked

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thechris:

dmz: by chance did you reload ivtv?

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dmz:

ahh

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dmz:

i scanned channels, instead of retrieving listing from source

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dmz:

not this time, i rebooted a while ago though

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dmz:

waiting on zap2it....

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dmz:

egad, how many days of data does it grab for getting hte channel listings from zap2it!

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dtm:

dmz: 14

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dtm:

or 13 maybe.

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dmz:

ugh

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dtm:

i have mine set to refresh every 7 days.

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dmz:

you'd think it would download all days separetly then parse them into the database instead of looping so many times

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thechris:

my cron never seems to get new episodes, so i have to manually get them

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dtm:

cron shouldn't scheudle them. mythbackend should.

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dmz:

ok bbiab

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Likwid:

so if my backend is running, and in mythtv-setup i have the backend ip set to 127.0.0.1 and i start mythfrontend, it says it cant connect to server

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dtm:

Likwid: to the backend server?

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Likwid:

yes

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dtm:

and they're on the same host?

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Likwid:

dtm: yes

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dtm:

maybe mythbackend is bound to your external IP address, not to localhost.

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dtm:

netstat -a

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dtm:

netstat -an

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trock13:

I was here earlier and had a problem with my pvr-150 only getting static. I just replaced a broken pvr-150 and cant figure out why i am only getting static. Anyone ever had this problem or have any suggestions?

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ShockValue:

well, i got the hd3000 working, but my reception sucks :(

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Likwid:

dtm: should local address and foreign address be the same for some and 0.0.0.0 for the others?

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Likwid:

dtm: and it doesn't look like the backend is listening at all

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dtm:

Likwid: read the log

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Likwid:

dtm: lol i just did, backend i guess didnt start

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Likwid:

i have to mount /mnt/store for it to go on

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dtm:

k

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TakKovacs:

Anyone had problems with ATI tv-out only showing half of tv out ? Myth GUI fits fine

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dtm:

yeah or symlink it or reconfigure mythtv-setup

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Likwid:

alright, ill see what happens :)

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Likwid:

thank you

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TakKovacs:

ati tv-out is cactus...going back to Nvidia

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Likwid:

what is /mnt/store/nfslockfile.lock?

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dtm:

Likwid: it's an nfs lock file.

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Likwid:

hmm

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dtm:

so multiple backends won't write to the same place at the same time i guess

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Likwid:

ahh

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dtm:

or something

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Likwid:

so do i have to get nfs?

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dtm:

lol how would i know

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Likwid:

:)

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dtm:

are you in need of a network filesystem?

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daktak:

Likwid: mythtv creates that file in the recordings dir to prevent potential problems if you have your recordings dir on an NFS file share

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Likwid:

well mythbackend says /mnt/store//nfslockfile.lock : Permission Denied ; Unable to open Lockfile ; Be sure that '/mnt/store/' exists (it does) and that both die directory and that file are writeable by this user

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daktak:

Likwid: have you upgraded to 0.19 recently?

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Likwid:

im using gentoo, and i just did an emerge --sync 2 days ago and just emerged myth

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daktak:

Likwid: stop the backend, delete the nfslock file and restart the backend,

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Likwid:

omg

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daktak:

ah, there is now a mythtv user and group, so the /mnt/store dir is probably locked with the old user

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dtm:

Likwid: is /mnt/store writable by mythbackend's user

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dtm:

and i wouldn't haphazardly upgrade mythtv without researching it

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Likwid:

i just went to delete the file, and after i just used fdisk to delete the partition, it still is mounted as ntfs, and all my stuff is still on that drive

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daktak:

Likwid: i think i stoped the back end, deleted the file, made user it was owned by mythtv:mythtv, and rebooted

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ftp4:

dc1.snapperworld.net/files/mythtv/ is down.. they need a mirror :-(

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daktak:

Likwid: im also on gentoo and i had to add the mythtv user to groups , audio, cdrom, cdrw, video,

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Likwid:

alright, thanks guys, im sorry i keep asking stupid questions, i get frustrated easily :)

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Ediehow:

since upgrading to .19 or whatever, it automatically keeps some livetv segments now and again

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Ediehow:

how do i stop that?

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daktak:

Ediehow: the default is a view for the recordings is to hide them, i think,

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daktak:

Ediehow: and i do remeber seeing a setting for how many days to keep them (1 by default i think)

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daktak:

Ediehow: but I don't know about stopping it completely

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daktak:

Ediehow: since it dumps the livetv watching to disk anyway.....

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trock13:

Hey can anyone give me any hints on how to get my pvr-150 to get something besides static?

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dtm:

trock13: tune it properly maybe

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trock13:

tried it...

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dtm:

trock13: try viewing with mplayer or xawtv

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daktak:

trock13: itv probs? xawtv work?

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trock13:

i have tried to capture and view with mplayer, but i wonder if it is just stuck on a channel that i dont get

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trock13:

what can i use to change the chanells?

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trock13:

channels

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daktak:

trock13: xawtv

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trock13:

where would xawtv be located, or is it something i need to install?

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trock13:

oh, i see, i am getting it

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trock13:

i'm getting nothing with xawtv

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eiggirC:

what are the default key bindings for xmame ?

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Ediehow:

so default is 1 day, dakta?

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ShockValue:

well, time to start making a list of important programs on my windows machine.. time to rebuilt it again

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phar0e:

:<

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poke:

ShockValue: startlist ... windowsOS, photoshop,games ... endlist

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ShockValue:

i think maybe ill try archlinux

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poke:

not used it myself, but mates say it's pretty nifty

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ShockValue:

ive heard its kinda like gentoo, but the packages are pre-built

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mithro:

anyone got debs for mythburn?

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Chicago:

Does mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map work for you guys?

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olejl:

I'm not able to play xvideo on my Radeon 9700 Pro. Can anybody help me?

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dscoular:

olejl, you'll need to give a few more details... about the symptoms. You could try running xvinfo as a start to see if the Xserver claims to support XV overlays.

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olejl:

xvinfo: screen #0 no adaptors present

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dscoular:

There you go... sound like you haven't configured your Xserver to support XV overlays

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olejl:

I have tried to install the ATI Proprietary Linux driver

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olejl:

That is possible. How should I do that. I'm pretty new to Linux

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dscoular:

Tried and failed or tried and succeeded ?

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olejl:

Succeeded

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dscoular:

What distribution are you using ?

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olejl:

FC4

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dscoular:

hmm... let me do your googling for you for a sec ;)

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dscoular:

Does your xorg.conf mention the fglrx driver anywhere ?

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dscoular:

Oops /etc/X11/xorg.conf that should have been

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olejl:

Section "Device"

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olejl:

Identifier "ATI Graphics Adapter 0"

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olejl:

Driver "fglrx"

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olejl:

BusID "PCI:1:0:0"

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olejl:

EndSection

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dscoular:

Read this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx

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olejl:

OK thank you

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dscoular:

No worries mate

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maqe_:

hello, if i upgrade to the .19 fixes should remove the database and start from scratch?

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Chicago:

maqe_: as far as I know, your database schema will be automatically updated when you run mythtv-setup... but you can always backup the database first before trying it.

[09:29:21]

maqe_:

Chicago: okay i have alreay done my update and run mythtv-setup but it seems like it there are still problems with live tv and freezing/seg faults so i thought it maybe works better from a new database :)

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Chicago:

maqe_: segfaults are bad of course... You could try also a newish ivtv driver... I dont' know what your specific problem is.

[09:31:52]

maqe_:

im runnig a dbvb-t card for capturing, my problem is that frontend freezes and crashes after a while :)

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Chicago:

yuck... does the same happen when root runs the frontend?

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dscoular:

I think this is life with 0.19-fixes at the moment... I simply run my frontend in an infinite loop and use pkill when it freezes (which happens occasionally when watching livetv).

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maqe_:

hm i havent tried that actually

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maqe_:

dscoular: okay, you have the same problem as me i guess :)

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maqe_:

im pretty new to mythtv, has live tv always worked this bad?

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dscoular:

No... 0.18.1 was rock solid

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dscoular:

I run this script as ~/.kde/Autostart/mymythfrontend: http://pastebin.ca/46210

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dscoular:

You'll have to change the paths of course.

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dscoular:

It makes it easy to do a "pkill -9 mythfrontend" when the inevitable freeze occurs.

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maqe_:

okay, i can try it, thanks

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dscoular:

If it's not a freeze and just a crash it will startup the mythfrontend for you automagically.

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maqe_:

Okay thx

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maqe_:

i hope the developers sort this problem out though

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dscoular:

Me too

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dscoular:

maqe_: when you say it freezes... does input just stop or does the video freeze too ?

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maqe_:

sometime i get a blue screen that says something like "error showing video" and then i need to restart my tv but sometime i get seg faults and the hole frontend crashes

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maqe_:

now i get alot of this messages from frontend audio waiting for space on soundcard but i guess this i an ok messages?

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maqe_:

dscoular: i dont know if the input stops, the video just freezes,bluescreens och seg faults

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asperon:

can anybody suggest what version of the firmware for ivtv i should use for my prv250 card?

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tetra:

what?

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tetra:

read what you type before pressing enter

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asperon:

i am installing mythtv, and i need to get ivtv running, to do that i need a firmware for the driver, but there are a bunch on the site, and i wondered if anybody had a suggestion of which one to use for my hauppauge pvr250

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asperon:

or perhaps that wasn't directed at me =)

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tetra:

do you know wtf a firmware is??

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asperon:

yes, but the firmware of the hauppauge cards aren't stored on the card, but rather in the windows driver, so to get it to work they extract the firmware, and you need one to get ivtv to load

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tetra:

bs

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tetra:

windows??

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asperon:

sigh

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asperon:

tetra: before blowing me of check your facts

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asperon:

http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions

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tetra:

this is unix land

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tetra:

and your PVRx50's firmware is fine where it is.

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asperon:

?

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tetra:

sounds right, "?" heh

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asperon:

[11:41] <tetra> and your PVRx50's firmware is fine where it is. <-- the firmware isn't doing much good sitting on a website, now is it

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Juski:

the ivtv website documentation tells you which firmware file(s) to use. read it

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tetra:

asperon: you still don't seem to know wtf a firmware is

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tetra:

you don't just go blindly upgrading the hardware like that

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asperon:

tetra: yes i do, you dont seem to grasp how it is used on the pvrx50 cards

[10:44:01]

tetra:

don't flash your hardware unless you NEED to

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asperon:

tetra: nobody has said anything about flashing

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Juski:

tetra: the hauppauge firmware is never flashed into the card

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tetra:

asperon: i have lots of them, i DO understnad you don't need to go flashing them

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asperon:

the fireware is loaded by the driver

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asperon:

*sigh*

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asperon:

Juski: thnx, ill read up on it

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Juski:

it's ok asperon I know what you're on about ;-)

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tetra:

good deal

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tetra:

it's not firmware then

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Juski:

ok mr smartypants... it's microcode

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tetra:

stored on what

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Juski:

stored on whatever & loaded when it's needed to configure the card

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Juski:

stop being a troll, tetra

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tetra:

eat me, juski

[10:46:31]

Juski:

seen as you have a history of extreme trolling here I doubt that's possible

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tetra:

trying to change the terms

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tetra:

i know what firmware is and is not

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Juski:

asperon: don't mind tetra – he's just an arse hole

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asperon:

Juski: figured that much

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tetra:

only difference from software is the location

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Juski:

don't feed the troll, y'all... AFK

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tetra:

i'm trying to help the fool not fry his hardware

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tetra:

i'm trying to be helpful while nothing too extravegant is going on

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tetra:

and all you can ever do is blast "troll" at me

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tetra:

i'll just retract my efforts then.

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asperon:

Juski: thnx for the help

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d64:

has anyone had the problem of not being able to display recordings in windows (vlc or other players) before they are transcoded? (mpeg2->mpeg2)

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d64:

i'm in a kind of a no win situation with this because transcoding destroys the subtitles

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drdaz:

I've got a problem with myth not using bookmarks in recordings.. I've checked the mysql statements that get issued and they do return the correct values. For some reason playback just doesnt start from the bookmark I have set... Any ideas as to why?

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drdaz:

or where to look to figure it out?

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dscoular:

What version ?

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drdaz:

0.19-fixes

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dscoular:

I did here some mention of bookmarks being a problem in 0.19-fixes... have you checked the trac bug database ?

[11:35:06]

drdaz:

I did a couple days back but didnt spot anything... I'll have another look

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dscoular:

I just tried to test this on my 0.19-fixes...

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drdaz:

just wanted to make sure that either a) it wasnt just me and/or b) that others know about it

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drdaz:

ok?

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dscoular:

I accidently hit rewind at the start of a recording and now the frontend is frozen... let me pkill it and try

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drdaz:

oO

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drdaz:

heh new bug?

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dscoular:

hmm... jump ahead just froze it too!

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drdaz:

lol

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dscoular:

It is a program that's still being recorded

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dscoular:

pulling out my trusty pkill

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drdaz:

:p

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dscoular:

Hmm... bookmarked it... got love heart in recorded programmes page... but black screen and solid disk activity when I hit play

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FairWitness:

Morning ppl.

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drdaz:

hehe.. it seems you have a few issues that

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drdaz:

there*

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dscoular:

drdaz: does your playback work at all ?

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drdaz:

it does :)

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drdaz:

my build is from code as of about 8 hours ago

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dscoular:

drdaz: oh well... your ahead of me... I'll try on a recording that isn't "in progress"

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drdaz:

but it has been this way for over a week I think

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dscoular:

Hmm... my bookmarks seem to be working on previously recorded but post-fixes recordings.

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drdaz:

post-fixes?

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dscoular:

But my -fixes is pretty darn old

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drdaz:

as in after the formal 0.19 release?

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dscoular:

Sorry, recordings made after I upgraded to 0.19-fixes release (yes)

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drdaz:

ahh ok

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mark0:

Hi, I want to make mythtv backend on old celeron400 /xxx RAM (minimum?) no tunner card!

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dscoular:

circa March 12th

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mark0:

I have server (celeron400) (router, NFS server, samba) , and I have workstation (with tunner) but this workstation is not 24h up ... and now I want to make diskless mythfronted to watch divx, tv program (via dvb tunner on workstaion)

[11:43:41]

mark0:

How many RAM on diskless and server?

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drdaz:

see I dabbled with SVN for a while and moved back to -fixes... but I am fairly certain the bookmarks worked after that move.. ie I dont think its incompatibility between SVN and -fixes

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dscoular:

So you think the bookmarks were working and stopped ?

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drdaz:

I do

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drdaz:

I can't confirm that though

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dscoular:

Hmm...

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mark0:

Any help? suggestion?

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drdaz:

what I do know is that the mysql calls made by the frontend are finding the right database entries

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drdaz:

somehow the player is just ignoring them

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dscoular:

mark0: Sorry I don't know what the minimal requirements would be for a dvb based backend/frontend combo

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dscoular:

drdaz: I can't see an obvious candidate table in the database... videobookmarks ain't it

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drdaz:

oh... the bookmarks are stored in 'recordings'

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dscoular:

Ah...

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dscoular:

Are they present in your tables ?

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drdaz:

I ran mythfrontend with full verbosity and the mysql queries it issues are printed... I tried them manually and they do work as expected

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drdaz:

yes :)

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mark0:

dscoular :My workstation is ok! (XP2600/1GB) but I dont know minimum for backend that has no tunner! I just want this backend (on old server) when is my workstation (with tunner) down!

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mark0:

And I want to watch divx movies (movies on samba share....)

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dscoular:

drdaz: I don't seem to have a recordings table!

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drdaz:

!!!

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drdaz:

hmm

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drdaz:

recorded perhaps

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dscoular:

I have "record" and "recorded"

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Juski:

recordedprogram is where recording details are stored

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meushi:

mark0: my backend is a cely 667, with a hardware encoder... no problems at all

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meushi:

mark0: except when you want to transcode, of course

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mark0:

meushi: RAM? no i dont want to transcode ( i have my workstation :)

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meushi:

mark0: put as much memory as you can, can always come in uselful

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meushi:

useful even

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drdaz:

its 'recorded'

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mark0:

In my country SDRAM is very expensive!!!

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meushi:

mark0: mine has 512, but it also runs webservers, mail servers, ftp servers, a few dbs, ...

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dscoular:

Ah... the bookmark field

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drdaz:

yes :)

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drdaz:

as I say, the frontend issues the right queries but then ignores the bookmarks

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drdaz:

not sure how, why, or where to look in the code to find out

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UBL:

mark0, mythtv guide says 256 ram is ok for backend

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dscoular:

NuppleVideoPlayer.cpp

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mark0:

UBL: Ok. but for diskless fronted?

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dscoular:

or programinfo.cpp

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Juski:

drdaz: silly question but have you enabled saving the position in the file when exiting playback?

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drdaz:

dscoular: yeah.. I was having a look around those yesterday..

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meushi:

mark0: 64 or 128 should do no problem

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drdaz:

Juski: not that I know of

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meushi:

mark0: I'm using a unmodified xbox running Linux as a frontend

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mark0:

meushi And minimum CPU? 700Mhz?

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drdaz:

Juski: I was talking about manually setting a bookmark and going to play it

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Juski:

ah right.. never mind then

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mark0:

meushi: Any problems with xbox?

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meushi:

mark0: it's a dream to use once you've tweaked it a bit

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drdaz:

dscoular: as I say I was looking, I have no experience with c++... just managed stuff :-| so seeing exactly whats wrong is kinda challenging atm :p

[12:03:08]

dscoular:

drdaz: Sorry, I'm not sure either... I'd check trac... I definately remember some mention of probs with bookmarks recently.

[12:03:23]

drdaz:

but the fact that others arent seeing this might suggest it's a local issue

[12:03:53]

drdaz:

dscoular: I just had a quick look.. not seeing anything there

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dscoular:

What others... ? Not me... I'm using a much older fixes methinks

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drdaz:

having asked this question a few times and not hearing a 'yes me too!' I assume others arent getting it

[12:04:59]

drdaz:

:)

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meushi:

mark0: the only issue with the xbox is the boot time, takes around 30 secs to load Linux/X/Myth

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scopeuk:

heh thats bareable

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meushi:

mark0: and maybe the blinking while it's trying to detect exactly which nvidia card and revision it has. Once that is done, it is fine and dandy for a mythfront

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meushi:

scopeuk: for a computer, yup... for an appliance, not really

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d64:

has anyone had problems with backend segfaulting often after the "dvb si table parser started" message?

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FairWitness:

Anyone have "jitter" problems? I tried to determine the source of my problem for months now to no avail.

[12:08:11]

d64:

i do :)

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FairWitness:

d64: Which problem. :)

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d64:

jittery picture when watching live tv or recordings in mythtv

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d64:

recordings look fine in vlc though

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FairWitness:

d64: Are you capturing standard def?

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d64:

but i've so many other problems that i've not really bothered with the jitter yet

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d64:

yes

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scopeuk:

meushi my myth box takes about that may longer

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d64:

i really wonder what causes it.. the box is fast, the disks are fast, it's only at about 10% cpu during playback

[12:10:41]

FairWitness:

Hrm. I'm thinking mine is related to playing SDTV at 1024x768 resolutions. The jitter seems to happen 1/4 of the time. Three seconds fine, one second jitter. Or the other way around.

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drdaz:

ok... some progress... no matter where I set the bookmark in the programme... the value stored in 'recorded' is 127

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FairWitness:

d64: What's your other problems? Maybe I could help with those..

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drdaz:

so it's not ignoring the bookmark, its just setting the wrong one

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d64:

fairwitness: well the one i've been whining about here lately is that if i try to view a non-transcoded recording in any other player except myth (which has jitter), i get weird and broken playback

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scopeuk:

fairwitness is it running out of ram?

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scopeuk:

or buffer possibly

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d64:

fairwitness: then if i transcode mpeg2->mpeg2 (ie with the lossless option) the files are magically fixed and work in any capable player, but i lose dvb subtitles

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d64:

fairwitness: it looks more and more like the subtitles not surviving transcoding is a feature :(

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dscoular:

drdaz: Does the playback always start from the beginning aka 127 frames in ?

[12:12:32]

drdaz:

yes

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drdaz:

and

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drdaz:

when I try to skip to bookmark (K)... it jumps to there

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drdaz:

assuming there is a bookmark set of course

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FairWitness:

d64: Yeah, I think the transcoder, altough well featured, is still not as flexible as people want.

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FairWitness:

d64: I'm just amazed that CC just works in .19. On my box anyway. Apparently not supported on the pv150 I put in the gf's box.

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d64:

fairwitness: yeah it's pretty close to being what i need here.. i'm so depressed by this problem i could basically sponsor some dev to fix it :)

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drdaz:

lol how very weird this is oO

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dscoular:

drdaz: ProgramInfo::SetBookmark in programinfo.cpp would seem to be where bookmarks get set.

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dscoular:

You could try updating the bookmark value to something much greater than 127 for a specific program for a laugh

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FairWitness:

d64: Isn't there a way to simply use one of the user jobs instead of the standard transcoder? If you can do it in the CLI, sounds feasible.

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drdaz:

I'll try that

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d64:

fairwitness: can you explain further? i do not know anything of the user jobs

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dscoular:

drdaz: gotta hit the hay... tis getting late.

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drdaz:

righto

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drdaz:

cheers!

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drdaz:

sleep well etc :)

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dscoular:

drdaz: thx... nighty night

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drdaz:

wtf!?!

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drdaz:

lol I cant change the value of bookmark

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drdaz:

its getting spontaneously reset by some gremlin

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drdaz:

to 127

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drdaz:

ahh I think I've found the problem

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drdaz:

bookmark in my database is somehow a tinyint

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drdaz:

oO

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drdaz:

ie: max value = 127

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drdaz:

anybody got their database handy? should the type be int?

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dscoular:

Lucky I'm not quite off to bed.

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drdaz:

:D

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dscoular:

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drdaz:

oO

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drdaz:

heh

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drdaz:

thx

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dscoular:

np

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drdaz:

yay!

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drdaz:

fixed

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drdaz:

I wonder how the hell that got changed

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dscoular:

http://pastebin.ca/46230

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dscoular:

drdaz: It's a worry

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drdaz:

I'll put it down to my downgrade...

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drdaz:

that way I wont have to think about it anymore :p

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dscoular:

:)

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drdaz:

thx for the help :)

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dscoular:

[doug really trundles off to bed]

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** drdaz waves **

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mithro:

anyone here used mythburn? does it rencode the DVB files to be DVD compatible?

[12:36:23]

mithro:

and if so can it encode them at a lower quality?

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phar0e:

hi

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wsxedc:

why won't mediaplayer accept my recordings anymore. I only get a black picture and choppy sound. I can play them on my mythbox so this only applies to when i play it through windows.

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d64:

sounds somewhat like my situation

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wsxedc:

The old nuv/mpeg2 files created by 0.18 works perfectly but not the new 0.19 ones which ends in mpg. I'm using a pvr500 card in my setup.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

wsxedc: do you have an mpeg2 decoder installed?

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d64:

i had to install dscaler 5 mpeg filters to get the files to display at all

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UBL:

try vlc ?vc;

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kysucix:

hi

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kysucix:

I've got this error: 2006-03–19 14:34:21.058 Unable to connect to database!

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kysucix:

2006-03–19 14:34:21.058 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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kysucix:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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kysucix:

Database error was:

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kysucix:

but I can't fix it :|

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kysucix:

I just recompiled qt with mysql support but without any luck

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kysucix:

(mythtv 0.19)

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wsxedc:

yes, i have an mpeg2 decoder installed, since i can play the old nuv files, which where just renamed mpeg2. And i can also play any other mpeg2 file i have on my disc. It's just the recordings i cant play

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d64:

kysucix: and your mysql is up? you can connect to it with "mysql"?

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laga:

did you get the multithreaded mysql driver as well?

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dorel:

i see that mythtv requires an already done installation of a linux distribution. is the knoppix myth live-cd recommended just for experiencing myth-tv?

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kysucix:

d64: yes

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kysucix:

laga: I don't know. How can I check it ?

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FairWitness:

Anyone else using DPMS? I've got it working great, except sometimes the standard "X" screensaver kicks in, and the remote doesn't wake it. Any ideas?

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d64:

i thought dpms was controlled by X itself

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d64:

whereas screensavers are separate programs

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d64:

such as xscreensaver

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FairWitness:

That's my thinking too, but I can't seem to figure out how to turn off the saver.

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d64:

at least xscreensaver requires a daemon of it's own to my knowledge

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FairWitness:

It's not anything fancy, just the X logo bouncing along.

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d64:

and it's settings can be changed with the program xscreensaver-demo

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FairWitness:

I'd just uninstall it if I could. What would be nice is, if I must have it, then somehow tell it that the remote is a valid wakeup event.

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d64:

but i have a faint memory of that simple X screensaver

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d64:

oh

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FairWitness:

Woops.

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d64:

in "xset" there indeed is a screen-saver control section

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FairWitness:

I just ran xscreensaver-demo while the gf was watching tv.

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FairWitness:

"Why is there a little juggling man on the screen?" Hehe.

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d64:

check out "xset" and "xset q"

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FairWitness:

d64: Theoretically, xset s force off should work, but somehow it won't work when I map a button to it. xset dpms force off does though.

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d64:

to my knowledge if you run xset s off it should not run in the first place

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d64:

at least it doesn't run here

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d64:

i've always had to install xscreensaver to get screensavers besides simple dpms switchoff

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FairWitness:

Hrm. Looks like there is a host of settings for "s". noblank, noexpose,on off. I must be calling the wrong one.

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d64:

can you btw elaborate a bit on your suggestion to use the user jobs? i don't know anything of those

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d64:

to help my transcoding problem

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FairWitness:

I can't browse the menus atm since the girl is using my box, but when you schedule a recording in >.18, you have the option to "run user job 1/2/3...". You can configure them in settings. Essentially, you can write your own scripts to do the transcoding, instead of the normal transcode.

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d64:

ok

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FairWitness:

Of course, you'll need to find a way to do the transcoding and keep the CC. I can't imagine it would be *too* difficult.

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d64:

i just would have to find some tool that would fix the mpeg but still retain the cc

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FairWitness:

If you really need both transcoding and keeping the subs, that's the only thing I can think of to help. :(

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FairWitness:

Exactly.

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d64:

i'm pretty sure the problem is very minor, some data in the stream that the players don't like

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d64:

in some recordings this is not a problem because many chans just render the subtitles on the picture

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FairWitness:

ffmpeg is pretty useful, and mplayer can do a lot of transcoding.

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d64:

and of course finnish and english programs i can handle without them

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d64:

but maybe one third of what i want to watch is neither of those

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FairWitness:

d64: I would try "nuvexport" first. It's pretty flexible.

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FairWitness:

And most importantly, easy to use.

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d64:

i actually installed that some time ago

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d64:

so what i want is nuvexport-mpeg2cut probably..

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d64:

getting a ERROR: opening A/V streams (0/0)

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d64:

have to figure out a way to get more information out of it

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d64:

that error message has been thrice reported to mythtv-users but nobody has ever replied

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FairWitness:

d64: I used to get that too. Haven't used it in awhile...

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FairWitness:

I think it has something to do with damaged mpegs.

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FairWitness:

Beirdo, who's in here quite often, is the guy who writes it.

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d64:

yeah i think this whole problem stems from our benevolent tv companies sending out mpegs that do not sit right with these programs

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FairWitness:

It probably doesn't help, but the card should spit out proper mpegs anyway. imo.

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d64:

it's a terratec dvb-c card

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d64:

the selection of dvb-c cards is quite small compared to terrestial cards

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d64:

i could basically try another brand but who knows if they have any actual differences

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FairWitness:

I've been meaning to try some sort of HDTV capture. I have an HD-capable TV set now.

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d64:

ok tested that same mpg in mplayer, works fine

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FairWitness:

And if anyone suddenly can't start their xsession, delete your "Xauthority" file. Maybe I can save someone have a day of troubleshooting.

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d64:

so actually it's mythtv AND mplayer that play them fine, whereas vlc or media player won't

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FairWitness:

You mean they both show the subs?

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d64:

oh i didn't check out the subs in mplayer

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FairWitness:

Oh, you mean the jitter?

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d64:

no i mean the mpg not viewing in vlc or media player, and crashing nuvexport

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FairWitness:

I need to price out a new mythsystem. Two actually. Of course, then I've got to use one as a regular desktop. Interesting.

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FairWitness:

aah

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d64:

no.. no subs

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bmk789:

anyone run 0.19 in ubuntu?

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d64:

looks like there are tools that can extract the subtitles from a transport stream

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meushi:

oh my... I'm gonna need some serious extra disk space

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meushi:

brb

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scopeuk:

ok this is a little off tpoic but your the sort of people that may know cna any one remeber the normal chanel fr a vcr in the uk (rf modulated output)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

my cabletv providers list the frequency they intend to be used by vcr's..but I guess it's prolly not standardized throughout europe..(my point is that you might be able to find a similar thing on a uk cable providers list, if they have one?)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

and in any case, it's channel 33 (567.25Mhz) here

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scopeuk:

okthanks for the help

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scopeuk:

jsut realisd someone else had been screing with the wiring behind the main tvset and they had removed the vcr for the distribution cabling

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scopeuk:

that soudned too flash they pulled the lead out the goes from the vcr to the rest ofthehouse

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scopeuk:

i think it is a 3 something channel

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scopeuk:

got it

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scopeuk:

thanks alot

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scopeuk:

think it might be 36

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RaYmAn-Bx:

most vcr's can change it as well I think

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Juski:

d64: you can use projectx & all kinds of tools to extract subtitles from MPEG2 TS

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Juski:

afternoon all

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Juski:

scopeuk: channel 36 was always the VCR channel, though every video machine I've seen since 1990 was tunable ;-)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

i was lookign for it becouse i couldent find it to tune it on my tv then as i said above i notice the wiring was outa wack

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Juski:

I cant remember the last time I had an aerial lead going into something that wasnt a PC

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Juski:

it's all about AV1, AV2 or AV3 in my house

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scopeuk:

heh i have alotof devices with arial leads

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scopeuk:

heh all the av sockets on every tv in the house are in use

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scopeuk:

my myht box has its own monitor

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scopeuk:

thats my vcr owing partly to the fact that vwe no logner have a workign vcr in the house

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Juski:

I considered running coax all around the house & having different channels with stuff on, but I may aswell use CAT5 now I know how to do it

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FairWitness:

arial=rf Not a very good connection at all. Probably the lowest quality connection available.

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scopeuk:

heh the house is wired for coax near to all the tvs

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scopeuk:

cat 5 is wired to the pcs there is no arial near spare network sockets except in my rom

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scopeuk:

and my room is the only place with mroe than one cat 5 avaliable

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Juski:

RF is nigh as dammit the same as composite in terms of quality, the only real snag being you don't get stereo sound

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FairWitness:

Yeah, I tried to convince my brother when he was building his house to at least cat5. Probably cat5e would be better.

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Juski:

and those wireless video senders are fucking awful

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scopeuk:

i have cat 5e from the conservatory where the net comes in to all the bed rooms

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jams:

got that right

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scopeuk:

juski couldent agree more

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scopeuk:

omg there is a fly in the house siglnal turnign to snow

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Juski:

"got a great picture... no wait.. stand THERE.. keep still!"

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mithro:

cat5e or cat6 is the only way to go

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scopeuk:

although when veverythign is stil includign wind i can ge a good picture through a floor and 2 walls to the main tv

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mithro:

(although these days when you by cat5 your likely to be getting cat5e anyway)

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Juski:

I wouldn't spend money on those awful cat5 video baluns though

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Juski:

just DIY it ;-)

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scopeuk:

composite over cat5 is the way to go

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scopeuk:

heh ive seen diy cctv cameras that use phoen cable

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FairWitness:

I haven't looked lately, but cat6 seemed a bit expensive and not really that much of an advantage, as the hookup gear is also expensive.

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Juski:

cat5 or cat5e is good up to SVGA bandwidth

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scopeuk:

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Juski:

especially over the kind of distances travelled in the average 3 bedroom semi

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scopeuk:

heh there is about 100m of cat 5 around this house

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Juski:

probably near that in here & I've not finished yet

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** mithro still has a 10M/Half device in his house :P **

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scopeuk:

eh i ran ut of ports on the router

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mithro:

otherwise everything is 100M/full or more

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scopeuk:

mithro i have some there jsut in boxes where they can do no harm

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Juski:

I've been talking about analogue AV distribution over CAT5 btw

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scopeuk:

Juski yeh i guesed that

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Juski:

not AV over IP on cat5 ;-)

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scopeuk:

you can stream hd over cat 5 in igital

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mithro:

scopeuk: it's a HP Laserjet with a IP connect card :P

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scopeuk:

argh i see

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scopeuk:

think id rarther dedicate a pc to a parale hookup

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mithro:

about 12 years old now a days, but it is about 2cents per page to print with that thing

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scopeuk:

although saying that my laser is burried under my bed waitign for me to come up with a use for it

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scopeuk:

yeh i have a brother hl8

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scopeuk:

which i got for free with 3 toners

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scopeuk:

2*

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** mithro is a Uni student so I do lots of printing **

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scopeuk:

yeh ill be there this time next year

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scopeuk:

havent decided how much hardware im takign with meyet

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scopeuk:

will see hwo big my room is first my uni of choice is only ~~30 mins away from home

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scopeuk:

im thinking firewalign my pc from the network may bee a good idea

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scopeuk:

several throusand students linked into one network over cat 5 is a recipy for a virus epidemic

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scopeuk:

apparently accordign to one of the guys there it use to be a huge p2p hub dont know if they stoped it or not but it porbably hints towards the risks

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scopeuk:

tempting to take a box rigged as a firewall witha 4 port netwok card in it on the lan side

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Juski:

don't you go asking how many myth boxen you could hook up in the dorms now

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laga:

gee, go and have some parties there ;)

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Juski:

I wonder what the most slave backends & frontends anyone has ever connected up is

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Juski:

pardon my sunday afternoon grammar ;-)

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Juski:

afternoon laga :-)

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Juski:

managed to glue one of my door mirrors back together... looks nicer now

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Juski:

might even be able to repair the other one aswell – I'm loathe to fit the brand new ones right away

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laga:

hehe. yeah, you prolly don't wanna loose them again

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d64:

juski: hey, i noticed you posted on the forum that dvbsubs are not supported in the transcoder (at all?), do you know if there's any plans to correct that?

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Juski:

d64: I've no idea

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d64:

i guess the reason is that dvbsubs are not used in most areas?

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Ediehow:

2006-03–19 10:15:07.563 Grab complete. Actual data from Mon Mar 20 06:00:00 2006 to Tue Mar 21 06:00:00 2006 (UTC)

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Ediehow:

what is url to renew zap2it stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

labs.zap2it.com

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scopeuk:

ok this is probably adaft question bu is it worht upgradign to myth .19 from .18 if im only using a analog card at standard def on steam powered hardware

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: thx

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Ediehow:

but what about

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Ediehow:

2006-03–19 10:15:07.563 Grab complete. Actual data from Mon Mar 20 06:00:00 2006 to Tue Mar 21 06:00:00 2006 (UTC)

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Ediehow:

from mythfilldb

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Juski:

d64: I don't think CC info is kept during transcode for anything

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d64:

juski: yeah the transcoder just says, unkown codec at stream x

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: That wasn't a question :)

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d64:

this is not meant as disrespectful but one'd think getting the subs to work in mythtv was much more work than enabling them in the transcoding :)

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: why does it say that?

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GreyFoxx:

Because it only ended up with 1 day of data ?

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Ediehow:

i mean, am i doing something wrong

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GreyFoxx:

Normally the rest of the log would have a lot more details on any problems encountered

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Juski:

case anyone missed them last night there are some intro videos for mythtv at www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/

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Juski:

huh? this can't be right.... got 10% CPU usage playing back a 720p MPEG2 video

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Venzon:

is there any way to set up auto-transcoding on a per-channel basis?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Juski: sometimes I doubt you can reliably monitor cpu usage =P I guess 0% cpu usage playing back MPEG4 (xvid 624x272, mp3 sound)

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Juski:

RaYmAn-Bx: true, but I wouldn't expect CPU usage to be so low – I mean this windows box doesn't miss a beat of it

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Juski:

gonna try a 1080i mpeg2 clip

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RaYmAn-Bx:

maybe your gfx card helps or something

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scopeuk:

nid card have mpeg 2 decodign capeabilityies but you hav eto pay for the media player plugin that allow you to se em

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** laga programs some shaders on his gpu to decipher scopeuk's scribbles **

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scopeuk:

sorry

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scopeuk:

ill try again

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Juski:

media player? screw that. VLC all the way

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scopeuk:

nvidia cards have mpeg2 decoreds built inbt you have to pay for the media player plugin to make it work yeh i love vlc too

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laga:

;)

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laga:

well, for nvidia's mpeg2 decoders...try xvmc ;)

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scopeuk:

vlc does use hardware acceleration to some extent

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Juski:

xvmc.. in windows.. hmm

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Juski:

it uses directx cack

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scopeuk:

and vlc uses direct x as well

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thomasd:

hey ... can anyone tell me how to adjust my time zone setting with knoppmyth?

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scopeuk:

#knoppmyth?

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Juski:

thomasd: try asking in #knoppmyth

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thomasd:

thank you

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Juski:

or use the standard Linux way

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thomasd:

how it that

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laga:

fix the /etc/localtime symlink. for example: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin /etc/localtime

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thomasd:

i am a real noob with linux

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Juski:

so, can you use google?

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Juski:

;-)

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thomasd:

i did, and i also tried the mailinglist archive

[16:54:04]

thomasd:

but most people just said what they did and didn't say how they did it

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thomasd:

ty for the help

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Juski:

did you install not_myth with the wrong TZ in the 1st place or is there some other issue?

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roger55:

I have a wintv-nova-se2 plus card with a remote, up down left right and ok, work – how would I get the rest of the keys to map to mythtv things properly?

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roger55:

input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus as /class/input/input3

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Juski:

so my crappy athlon 2800 can play back 1080i MPEG2 and deinterlace at the same time in Windows... nice to know :-)

[17:12:46]

Juski:

not so sure HDTV is all it's cracked up to be though – looks about the same quality as the UK's DVB-T... heh

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scopeuk:

dvb-t can look fantastic but week signel and it like wathicng leog goes alrge

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scopeuk:

lego*

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scopeuk:

although my dvb t box sucks ass

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scopeuk:

chepo crap

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meushi:

shit, Lone Wolf and Cub is on and my new backend isn't finished yet :(

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scopeuk:

poor you

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meushi:

shit shit shit :(

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thomasd:

back

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thomasd:

ok, one more question

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scopeuk:

heh i always have the same problem

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thomasd:

i set my time zone correctly

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scopeuk:

im doign an update or modifying sound levels when it whshould berecording

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thomasd:

now it displays the time 5 hours off

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thomasd:

in my bios, the time is right

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thomasd:

but in linux it is wrong

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thomasd:

i tried using ntpdate but it said ntpdate not found

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scopeuk:

tzconfig?

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eleazar123:

hey guys, how would one go about changing the myth theme manually? (ie. the theme is causing a seg fault when i try to load mythfrontend so i can't open it and change it via the menus)

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thomasd:

i can change the time with tzconfig?

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thomasd:

or just time zone

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thomasd:

lemme go try, brb

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kev`:

hey when i try to start mythtv i get this:

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kev`:

2006-03–19 18:26:55.366 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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kev`:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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kev`:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QODBC3

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kev`:

2006-03–19 18:26:55.378 New DB connection, total: 1

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kev`:

2006-03–19 18:26:55.379 Unable to connect to database!

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kev`:

2006-03–19 18:26:55.379 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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kev`:

someone have a clue?

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stuarta:

kev`: do you have a mysql.txt under .mythtv for the user running the program

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kev`:

yap

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kev`:

DBHostName=localhost

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kev`:

DBUserName=root

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kev`:

DBPassword=mypassword

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kev`:

DBName=mythconverg

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kev`:

DBType=QMYSQL3

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kev`:

looks like this

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kev`:

and database looks like this:

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kev`:

mysql> show databases;

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kev`:

+--------------------+

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kev`:

| Database |

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kev`:

+--------------------+

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kev`:

| information_schema |

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kev`:

| mysql |

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kev`:

| mythconverg |

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kev`:

| test |

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kev`:

+--------------------+

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laga:

thanks for flooding.

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kev`:

:-/

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kev`:

sorry

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kev`:

but maybe stuarta needed it

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Kelerion:

so use pastebin

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stuarta:

I would ask for it if I needed it...

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kev`:

k, sorry for pasting :-/

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jams:

looks like qt was not compiled with mysql support

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jams:

mysql is not listed here "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QODBC "

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jams:

gentoo?

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kev`:

sourcemage

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jams:

compile qt yourself?

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kev`:

nope

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kev`:

but i choose "y" for mysql support

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jams:

look in $qtdir/plugins/sqldrivers

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jams:

is mysql listed there

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jams:

libqsqlmysql.so

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kev`:

there is just libqsqlodbc.so

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jams:

looks like you need to compile qt again

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kev`:

ok

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kev`:

will do it

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kev`:

i compile it again now with mysql-support again :)

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kev`:

maybe i forgot it last time .... or there must be the file how you said

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jams:

don't know how sourcemage works, so getting mysql support is up to you ;)

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kev`:

ok

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roger55:

Anyone got a hauppauge dvb-s with a remote fully working with mythtv?

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kev`:

thx for your help :)

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thomasd:

ok, my time zone is set correctly, my time is set correctly, but in program guide, the shows are 5 hours off

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thomasd:

like, the movie that is on now, it says its on in 5 hours

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thomasd:

even tho it diesplays the correct time

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thomasd:

do i have to clear the database and refil it?

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laga:

might be worth a try

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thomasd:

how would i go about clearing the database?

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thomasd:

i tried just filling it, but that didnt' fix it

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stuarta:

to remove your program information 'delete from program;'

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kev`:

jams: works now :)

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thomasd:

in mysql, that will delete everything?

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thomasd:

nice kev

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stuarta:

thomasd: all your program information yes...

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eleazar123:

hey guys, do any of you know what might cause this segmentation fault? http://pastebin.ca/46260 i got it initially when i changed themes : but now i don't know how to change back b/c i can't get into mythfrontend

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Anduin:

eleazar123 – That isn't nearly enough information to track it down. You can change the theme in with mysql though.

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eleazar123:

by editing a mysql file you mean? or logging into the mysql db? (i don't know sql at all :)

[18:06:53]

Anduin:

eleazar123 – The settings table in mythconverg contains a Theme entry.

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bio_:

do mythfrontend --help

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bio_:

there is a switch to reset ui-settings

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eleazar123:

ah ok, thanks guys :)

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thomasd:

that worked ... thanks a million

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thomasd:

=D

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scopeuk:

wow comflag kills my box

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scopeuk:

lol spose thats what i get for usign crap ahrdware

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laga:

yeah, likely ;)

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scopeuk:

heh its a 433

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scopeuk:

20% mem adn 20% cpu

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scopeuk:

enough to make playack jitter

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laga:

433? not bad. using xvmc, i suppose?

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scopeuk:

i have no idea

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scopeuk:

defautl knoppmyth

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laga:

what capture card?

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scopeuk:

bt878

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kormoc:

ouch

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kormoc:

how are you managing that

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scopeuk:

it copes

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scopeuk:

jsut leve it recordign and dont tuch it

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kormoc:

heh

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laga:

that's certainly not bad. my poor p3 450 is quite pushed with mpeg2 playback (720x576, 6000kbit/s)

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scopeuk:

heh rt jpeg

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kormoc:

my bttv card used ~ 30% of my 2.4 ghz p4

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armand:

laga: same, i have the laptop of the same specs. its just barely fast enough for mpeg2 playback

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armand:

same res, same bitrate

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kormoc:

ahh, rtjpeg, not mp4

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scopeuk:

no no no

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scopeuk:

12 gig an hour lol

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laga:

armand: it took me a lot of time to get it working properly, but now i have perfect playback :)

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armand:

yeah, same here

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laga:

especially with the bob deinterlacer. gotta love it ;)

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scopeuk:

mine is deinterlace lol

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scopeuk:

jsut the basic one

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scopeuk:

dident wanan strees the poor little thing

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scopeuk:

40% cpu to palyback is harsh enough

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armand:

only 40% to playback on a 433?

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armand:

my p3 450 is 100% heh

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scopeuk:

yup

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scopeuk:

its only rtjpeg though

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scopeuk:

bbiab

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armand:

rtjpeg takes less cpu to play back than mpeg2?

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kormoc:

armand, yup

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scopeuk:

but it uses alot more storage space

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scopeuk:

if i can fidn a nice fast 900 mhz celron to go in that mbo ill do it

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Likwid:

when i hit watch tv, myth doesnt do anything its just a balck screen, so i got to tty1 and do a ps -a and kill; then it says RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe read(). Couldn't read file rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv

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kormoc:

Likwid, what version of myth are you using?

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scopeuk:

mine taek a few second to start playing

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scopeuk:

in which time it looks lie ka crash

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Likwid:

the one i emerged in gentoo

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Likwid:

i let mine sit for a good minute or so

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kormoc:

Likwid, that looks more like 0.18 and not 0.19

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Likwid:

hmm

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kormoc:

emerge -pv mythtv

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Likwid:

k

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Likwid:

0.18.1-r1

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scopeuk:

upgradign mien at some point tonight :D

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kormoc:

Likwid, yeah, you should update to 0.19 :)

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scopeuk:

knoppmyth got to .19 nmw

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scopeuk:

now*

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Juski:

eleazar123: I was just looking through my scrollback when I saw your question about changing a theme setting... you still want to know?

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Juski:

eleazar123: try mythfrontend --reset

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Juski:

it'll revert back to the G.A.N.T. theme and override any appearance settings – but it should help solve the problem of the errant theme crashing mythtv ;-)

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Juski:

incidentally which theme is causing the segfaults? not mine I hope

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Likwid:

so if i do am emerge unmerge mythtv it will just get rid if mythtv right? no dependencies will be removed?

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thomasd:

i'm trying to run the getpvr.pl script to set up the tvout on my pvr-350 but it says that the pvrurl is empty, the only url i could find is

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thomasd:

http://dc1.snapperworld.net/files/mythtv/pvr.pl

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thomasd:

and that link is dead

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thomasd:

anyone know what the new link is?

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Juski:

thomasd: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . amp;start=90

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Juski:

go ask in #knoppmyth to see if they know what the deal is. don't expect a rapid response though ;-)

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alex777:

ok, I have a problem with nuvexport, I reencoded a bunch of my shows in xvid and just replaced the original .nuv files with the xvids so I would still have the meta info

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alex777:

but now when I run nuvexport and I want to reencode a show, it's looking at all the eps, and it's finding some that are not mpeg complaint, since they're xvid

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alex777:

so I can't reencode newer eps :/

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alex777:

any ways around that ?

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thomasd:

ty justki

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eleazar123:

Juski, thanks! worked like a charm :D

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Juski:

eleazar123: which theme was it that was causing you problems?

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eleazar123:

one sec, i'll get the exact name

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eleazar123:

blue

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Juski:

blue was causing segfaults? yikes.

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eleazar123:

i can double check and select it again, just to make sure :)

[20:04:05]

eleazar123:

i don't wanna provide false information

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Juski:

was mythfrontend complaining of any missing theme elements?

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eleazar123:

not that i know of

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eleazar123:

it's switching now

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eleazar123:

i'll let you know

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eleazar123:

weird, it didn't crash this time

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eleazar123:

maybe it was a different one hm..

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Juski:

when I was working on my themes I saw a few segfaults because of missing elements or xml tag problems

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eleazar123:

ah

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eleazar123:

i have a pastebin of the error

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eleazar123:

ohh i found it, it was mythcenter

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ste__:

howdi

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Juski:

hi ste__

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Juski:

eleazar123: could you post a link to the pastebin?

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eleazar123:

http://pastebin.ca/46260

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Juski:

eleazar123: strange. looks more like mythmusic causing the segfault

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eleazar123:

yeah, i wasn't sure what to make of it, b/c it only happens when i try to load mythcenter

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Juski:

wonder what that's caused by then... probably a mystery for the users list

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ste__:

is there a yum way of getting mythtv 0.18.1 ?

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dtm:

ste__: i hope not! 0.19 is out.

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dtm:

ste__: google for fedora mythtv

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ste__:

yeah.. but its broken for DBV-T cards..

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laga:

ste__: file a bug report then ;)

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** Juski is running 0.19 just fine with 2 DVB-T cards **

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Juski:

mine was an upgrade from 0.18.1 mind

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ste__:

right..

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ste__:

I couldn't get it to work with 0.19.. and I had to downgrade to 0.18.1 before it worked..

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** ste__ wonders if upgrading again would fix it **

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Juski:

I don't use livetv – but I tested it & apart from a huge channel changing time it worked ok

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Juski:

never missed a recording so far (touch wood)

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ste__:

Juski: which dvb-t cards do you have? (I have a hauppage dvb-t one)

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Juski:

got 2 leadtek lr6650 cards – same as the Leadtek dtv-1000t or whatever (it has 1000 in its name)

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mythuser:

hey ... today my mythtv startes messing up, the reception comes in black and white and fuzzy and the sound is intermittant ... any idea what could cause this?

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mythuser:

i unhooked the cable and put it into another tv, and that works fine

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d64:

ok simple question.. if i had another dvb tuner card, could i, while watching live tv, switch to some other channels to see what is going on, then come back to the original channel and continue watching from where i left?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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RaYmAn-Bx:

d64: the closest thing would prolly be picture-in-picture, but obviously you would get no sound from the second channel then

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d64:

that's a shame, i would have thought that possible

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d64:

the same way it's possible to record one show and watch another (at least to my knowledge :))

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it would be easily possible if you programmed it! ;)

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dtm:

you can't set a marker on the first one/

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d64:

yeah.. i thought of it when i was watching some boring sports broadcast and thought, if i could just hop over to other channels to accumulate "reserve" of the original show.. so i could fast forward over boring sections

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dtm:

the lesson learned is to never watch live tv

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dtm:

that's just nonsense

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d64:

now i just push "p" and then do something else for ten minutes

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GreyFoxx:

uhhh

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GreyFoxx:

why not just hit record

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GreyFoxx:

then go watch something else?

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ste__:

pause livetv?

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ste__:

(sorry wrong window)

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Servo888:

Ok you guys here's the deal... I'm running out of harddrive space, and I want to offload some movies from my mythtv box over to my laptop (from which I can transcode and edit as I wish). Problem I know I can just copy over the nuv files, but I rather keep the episode name intact. So is there a way to export the nuv's without transcoding them (Just raw nuv (mpeg) files is fine). I'm thinking about nuvexport, but the only tim

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Servo888:

e I used nuvexport was to transcode from some nuv to divx.

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d64:

well that sort of does do what i wanted to do

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d64:

hitting "r" on the original channel

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d64:

i seem to get a segfault if i try to delete an ongoing recording

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dtm:

Servo888: what do you mean by "export the nuv's without transcoding them"? that has nothing to do with preserving their filenames.

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dtm:

er, preserving their episode names in the filenames

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dtm:

Servo888: there's a script for creating symlinks based on descriptive names

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shiznix:

Servo888: you could create a shared network directory on the laptop, move the .nuv files into that directory & adjust MythTV's storage directory to that of the laptop's in the setup

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Juski:

it's called... mythrename --link ;-)

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shiznix:

that way the backend will also be able to find them if you choose to nuvexport later

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d64:

ooh, there's a useful command

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Servo888:

shiznix, nah I don't want storage on the laptop, since it's a laptop it's not always there. I just want to off load some older shows to dvd.

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Servo888:

In general I just want to be able to figure out what those .nuv files are.

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shiznix:

ok

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Servo888:

nuvexport was able to rename the files over to whatever they were called, like Show Name – Episode #.mpg

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Servo888:

dtm, do you know what that script was called?

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shiznix:

Servo888: what Juski said ^^^, use mythrename

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Servo888:

ah ok

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Servo888:

didn't notice what Juski has said.

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shiznix:

:)

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Servo888:

is mythrename 3rd part or hidden some where?

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d64:

in gentoo it was in the contrib directory

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d64:

as mythrename.pl

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Juski:

I like mythrename --link .. it's very handy and a good replacement for the old mythlink script

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Servo888:

d64, where is the contrib directory located?

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d64:

it was in /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/

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d64:

i found it with "locate mythrename"

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shiznix:

called `mythname.pl` on my system

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Juski:

Servo888: it's normally in the contrib directory but you'll be able to find it here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .pl?rev=9409

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Fredde87:

stupid question but how do I tab out of mythtv-setup so I can do the xmltv setup?

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Servo888:

Ah found it. I forgot I wasn't sshed into my mythtv server = hehe

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Fredde87: run it in a window manager and tab out as usual? At least that's what I ended up doing

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Fredde87:

how do I tab out?

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Fredde87:

isnt it alt + tab?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

alt+tab?

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Fredde87:

I thought that too but isnt working

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Fredde87:

running xorg7, have they changed it in v7?

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d64:

depends on window manager etc

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RaYmAn-Bx:

in some window managers it only works if numlock is off

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Fredde87:

ahh, ill try that

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shiznix:

you may have to set mythtv to run in a window

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Fredde87:

yeah probebly

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Fredde87:

numlock didnt do any difference

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RaYmAn-Bx:

what window manager?

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Fredde87:

very good question, trying to figure that out myself :P

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Fredde87:

some crap that came with

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sure there even is a window manager? ;)

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Fredde87:

probebly not :P

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Fredde87:

but wouldnt I get the ugly X as a mouse cursor then?

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d64:

in twm (a default of some sort) it seems alt-tab doesn't work

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RaYmAn-Bx:

free ram on linux seems so pointless...I have 1gig and 28mb free...I seriously doubt I'm running enough programs to take up a gig of ram

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Fredde87:

where do I set it to use fluxbox, isnt it ~/.Xsession

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d64:

the second line of the command "free" gives you a better idea of how much ram is free

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RaYmAn-Bx:

d64: better than what? it seems to be the same info that top gives

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RaYmAn-Bx:

or do you mean the buffers/cache line?

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Servo888:

RaYmAn-Bx, oh I only have 256MB's of ram, with mythtv running it's using up almost all of it. Not talking about the caches the kernel keeps.

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d64:

rayman-bx: the buffers cache line yes

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d64:

rayman-bx: which shows how much mem is free, counting disk cache as free mem

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Fredde87:

ok running flubox now, lets se if it works now

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d64:

on my 512 mb box the first line says 6,5mb free, second 344 mb free

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Fredde87:

how do I get it to start a xterm window on start? :P Havent got a mouse so I cant start xterm :P

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it says 857mb free on the second line here

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d64:

that sounds reasonable

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d64:

fredde87: maybe put it into .xinitrc?

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Fredde87:

tried that

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Servo888: that seems like a lot..in total only 145mb is used on my box (i.e. the used bit of the buffers/cache line)

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, you see, that's how much actual free ram you have. By default, the cache is file system cache. It caches files so it's a lot faster in theory.

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Fredde87:

d64 what do I use before xterm? I tried exec but that didnt work

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d64:

i think just "xterm &" should do

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: yeah, makes sense :) I figured it was something like that since it didn't make sense that the apps I have running used up all of the gig

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d64:

the thing is that every program you run in xinitrc has to have the & in end, except for the LAST program

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d64:

which could be your window manager, for example

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Fredde87:

nope

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Fredde87:

didnt work :/

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d64:

so that when you close the wm, x closes as well

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Fredde87:

ahh

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Fredde87:

i had fluxbox before it

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Fredde87:

ill change the order

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kormoc:

Servo888, 256 megs of ram here, mythfrontend uses 187m virtual, 53 resident, and 27m shared.

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Fredde87:

thx

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Fredde87:

it worked

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Fredde87:

and alt+tab works :)

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d64:

the RES column is actual physical memory in use by the process

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RaYmAn-Bx:

there isn't really any point in running a window manager when running mythfrontend though..is there?

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, there sure is

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: ..

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, focus issues is the main one

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ah, when starting other apps?

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kormoc:

mythvideo/mythtvdvd can use external apps, aye

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I guess that explains why mplayer stopped accepting keyboard input when run from mythfrontend

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d64:

fvwm seems like a very lightweight wm that works better than twm

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, that would be yup

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kormoc:

I recommend xfce4 as a nice lightweight WM

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RaYmAn-Bx:

doesn't matter when you don't have a keyboard connected anyways though =P

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, lirc also goes by focused windows :P

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d64:

has anyone used a wireless usb keyboard, btw?

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kormoc:

d64, yup

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d64:

i thought i might get one of those for the pvr box

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: that's weird.. lirc works fine for me

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kormoc:

d64, they work well.

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d64:

kormoc: as far as linux is concerned it's just another usb keyboard, right?

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, it depends on the lirc config I'd guess

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kormoc:

d64, yup

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kormoc:

d64, to get the 'multimedia' keys working, you'd use a program called lineakd, so if they're important, you should look at the keyboards lineakd supports

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kormoc:

d64, I even have a bluetooth usb keyboard :)

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d64:

the first retailer i checked doesn't seem to have a small keyboard with a laptop style mouse

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kormoc:

d64, I don't think you'll find one of them...

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d64:

i don't want a separate mouse as it's so rarely used anyway

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d64:

kormoc, i have seen one, it had a trackball on the side

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d64:

here's the sort i mean: http://www.fentek-ind.com/kbmrftp20.jpg

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kormoc:

d64, that'd be cool, but I donno if it'll work under linux or not

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kormoc:

d64, I have one of the microsoft rf keyboards, and it's a super pain to get working

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d64:

kormoc, i think it might be possible that a keyboard like that would just be a usb keyb + mouse, as far as the os is concerned

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d64:

but more likely is that it only works in windows with a driver installed, of course

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rylz:

whenever i try to run mythfrontend or mythbackend, a database schema update is attempted, then it realizes that that database already has the right number of tables or whatever and fails, killing the process and not allowing me to run mythtv... how can i fix this?

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d64:

alter the database so that the schema update can run and return it to the correct state? :)

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Servo888:

What are some common usb video input devices that linux supports well?

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dtm:

Servo888: WinTV PVR USB2

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Servo888:

hmm still a bit expensive. Looks like it has an onboard encoder on it

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laga:

plextor convertx

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laga:

well, you won't get a usb capture device without an encoder

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Servo888:

hmm interesting

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dtm:

Servo888: they're $130 on newegg.com

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dtm:

when i got mine

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Servo888:

I've got a usb 1.1 pctv by pinnical but I can't get it detected in Linux. So that's a no go.

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dtm:

Servo888: did you not install a driver for it?

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Servo888:

dtm, no sure which one to use.

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Servo888:

usbvision is suppose to support it, but they haven't had any updatese since 2004. I would image v4l would support it... but I haven't got a responce in #v4l

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dtm:

Servo888: v4l is an api, not a device driver

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dtm:

Servo888: so what's the problem with usbvision

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Servo888:

oh...

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Servo888:

I haven't tried it. So I don't know if there are any problems.

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Servo888:

I guess I need to give it a go... and see

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dtm:

you're going to throw out the device because it can't be used without a driver?

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Servo888:

lol, but I know it needs a driver, just not sure if the usbvision driver was the one I needed to use.

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dtm:

you just said it was. what else would it be?

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drdaz:

yay! futurama's coming back!

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RaYmAn-Bx:

really? Or are you just talking about the 3 feature length futurama movies they are making?

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drdaz:

no really!

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, nah, tv shows

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RaYmAn-Bx:

woo!

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drdaz:

billy west confirmed it :D

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: just wanted to be sure with the former rumours (well..also confirmed by billy west) of 3 futurama movies (like the family guy movie)

[22:04:19]

kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, http://www.billywest.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2011&PN=1

[22:05:01]

Ediehow:

hi

[22:05:09]

Ediehow:

how do i change the prefs for how long each livetv segment i watch is kept?

[22:05:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

that rocks so so much!

[22:05:47]

drdaz:

totally!

[22:05:52]

drdaz:

Good news everyone!

[22:05:58]

drdaz:

:D :D :D

[22:06:56]

RaYmAn-Bx:

the only depressing thing is that they most likely won't get anywhere near here until 4 years after the release or something stupid like that :S

[22:07:09]

drdaz:

'here'?

[22:07:13]

RaYmAn-Bx:

denmark

[22:07:20]

drdaz:

lol I'm in denmark too

[22:07:21]

drdaz:

but

[22:07:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

[22:07:33]

drdaz:

with the internet... they'll be here pretty quick

[22:07:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

:P

[22:07:41]

mythuser:

hey, quick question ... is there a way to set mythtv so that it doesn't automatically record when you go to "watch tv"?

[22:07:42]

RaYmAn-Bx:

true

[22:07:54]

drdaz:

mythuser: no

[22:07:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I was thinking more of actually shown on tv , heh

[22:07:58]

drdaz:

oh!

[22:07:59]

mythuser:

damn

[22:08:03]

mythuser:

ty anyway

[22:08:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I guess in any case they'll come on dvd in like UK or whatever

[22:08:46]

drdaz:

yeah they will

[22:08:59]

drdaz:

we've got the films to look forward to as well

[22:09:14]

drdaz:

although I'm not sure how that will work out

[22:09:25]

RaYmAn-Bx:

assuming they are stilling planning to make those..the forum doesn't seem to give an answer on that

[22:09:36]

Agrajag-:

mythuser: you wouldn't be able to watch tv if it didn't record it

[22:09:43]

Ediehow:

kormoc, how do i change the prefs for how long each livetv segment i watch is kept?

[22:09:54]

drdaz:

I think they are... the contract was signed last I heard

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kormoc:

Ediehow, i donno, perhaps if you check all the settings and see if it's in there somewhere

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RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: I guess we'll see..

[22:10:58]

drdaz:

:) yes

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kormoc:

Ediehow, cause if it's not, it's not a option...

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drdaz:

RaYmAn-Bx: what T Vservice

[22:13:21]

drdaz:

RaYmAn-Bx: what TV services do you have?*

[22:13:38]

drdaz:

cable? digital?

[22:13:42]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: tv services? TDC Kabeltv analog

[22:13:49]

drdaz:

ahh ok

[22:14:03]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm studying so can't really afford to go digital =P

[22:14:08]

drdaz:

I've got Selector gratis for 6 months :D

[22:14:18]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh, neat..how'd you manage that? :P

[22:14:29]

drdaz:

just waiting on my CAM to arrive to fire it thru myth

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drdaz:

my antenna people are offering the normal channels over digital soon... they wanted test users :D

[22:15:15]

drdaz:

"Where do I sign up!?!?"

[22:15:35]

drdaz:

the Selector box is a sack of shit tho :-/

[22:15:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: the thing that bugs me the most is that it seems more expensive than analog and you have to pay seperate even for basic channels

[22:16:08]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but I might be wrong I guess

[22:16:31]

drdaz:

yeah.. its a little dirty... they are offering the same channels I'm already getting and charging 50Kr extra per month for it

[22:16:51]

RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm..all the normal channels get sent over digital as well don't they?

[22:16:52]

drdaz:

so basically I can pay for the privilege of getting a half decent picture

[22:17:04]

drdaz:

they do, yes

[22:17:21]

RaYmAn-Bx:

not too bad then I guess

[22:17:36]

drdaz:

for TDC's normal Selector customers, the channels you normally get are 'mirrored' digitally for free

[22:17:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I'd love to have it, but it seems sucky after just buying a hauppage pvr-500 card =P

[22:18:01]

drdaz:

heh yeah

[22:18:32]

drdaz:

atm I've got a pvr150 and a Twinhan Cab-CI working in my box

[22:18:56]

drdaz:

only TV2 and DR1 on the digital side are viewable at present..

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drdaz:

since I bought the CAM off some german moron on ebay who is quite possibly too stupid to find a post box and send it :-|

[22:19:55]

drdaz:

no offense to germans in general... but this guy is a tit

[22:20:05]

laga:

i was just gonna say... ;)

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drdaz:

:p

[22:20:15]

** drdaz saved himself **

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RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: I guess you _have_ to get the silly sagem box as well don't you?

[22:21:15]

drdaz:

RaYmAn-Bx: where/what you studying?

[22:21:20]

drdaz:

well they gave it for free

[22:21:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: Computer Science at DIKU (copenhagen)

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drdaz:

but if you're buying the service you can decode it however you want

[22:21:41]

hwt:

can someone recommend a grabber card that is cheap, good, and works with both windows media center and myth (in the unlikely event that i will not be happy with myth)?

[22:21:44]

Zork_:

Not sure if this is a mythtv question or not: I have a PVR250, when I "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg", I can play the mpg with mplayer, but I can't play it on my windows machine. I was under the impression that it should be possible.

[22:21:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: yeah, but normally it's not free :P

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drdaz:

I know :) But I've ended up spending the same on hardware for my box

[22:22:30]

d64:

zork: i have this problem as well.. even with all proper codecs installed on windows

[22:22:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

[22:22:50]

d64:

zork: i am under the impression that there's something fishy with what the tv people send to me

[22:23:05]

Zork_:

d64: stinks, doesn't it ;-) I just upgraded, and since then, I can't do it no more...

[22:23:12]

drdaz:

if I had to choose... the gear for the myth box would be the way to go... the Sagem decoder blows goats

[22:23:27]

drdaz:

works out a little cheaper too

[22:23:29]

Zork_:

I doubt it has something to do with what goes through the cable...

[22:23:39]

Zork_:

Must be a software thing.

[22:23:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: be sure to let me know how it goes when you get your CAM! It's quite interesting to see how well it works etc

[22:23:51]

drdaz:

will do :)

[22:24:07]

drdaz:

assuming the guy isnt gonna rip me off... it should be here tomorrow

[22:24:07]

Zork_:

Worked on my previous knoppmyth installation (which is half a year old).

[22:24:14]

drdaz:

or the day after I guess

[22:24:23]

drdaz:

he sent it Tuesday, so..

[22:24:28]

drdaz:

:-/

[22:24:36]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Does myth even fully support digital tv? :> Like interactive services etc? I can't even seem to get teletext to work :S

[22:25:15]

Zork_:

Anyone else suffered from this problem, and found a solution?

[22:25:31]

drdaz:

I doubt the interactive stuff is supported.. but is there anything useful available thru those services?

[22:26:09]

drdaz:

teletext doesnt work using the pvr cards I dont think

[22:26:19]

drdaz:

I think it works using dvb tho

[22:26:29]

drdaz:

it should at least

[22:26:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: dunno, I have yet to actually try it =P Only tried DVB-T when I lived in UK

[22:26:45]

drdaz:

correction: it should be possible

[22:26:58]

drdaz:

heh u british?

[22:27:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it should be possible with pvr cards as well!

[22:27:09]

drdaz:

really?

[22:27:09]

RaYmAn-Bx:

No, just lived there for a year

[22:27:12]

drdaz:

ahh ok

[22:27:17]

drdaz:

I am :)

[22:27:30]

drdaz:

well.. .half danish, half british

[22:27:38]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it should be possible as in, the pvr cards supposedly support it

[22:27:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

[22:27:43]

RaYmAn-Bx:

my gf is english

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drdaz:

ok?

[22:27:55]

drdaz:

mine's danish

[22:28:02]

RaYmAn-Bx:

which is why I lived in UK for a year :P

[22:28:12]

drdaz:

lol?

[22:28:15]

drdaz:

ran away?

[22:28:21]

Zork_:

I believe the PVR 250/350 should be supported (teletext), but the 150/500 are not.

[22:28:43]

drdaz:

I mean... why only a year?

[22:28:44]

RaYmAn-Bx:

nah, she had to finish her A-levels before she could move here :P

[22:28:46]

Zork_:

At least according to the myth 0.19 release notes.

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drdaz:

oh!

[22:28:53]

drdaz:

she came over?

[22:29:14]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Zork_: I more meant the cards :) I guess it's not possible with myth yet then

[22:29:26]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: yep

[22:29:38]

drdaz:

how's she dealing with the language?

[22:29:45]

Zork_:

RaYmAn-Bx: I know that you meant the cards. I meant myth :-)

[22:30:35]

RaYmAn-Bx:

[22:30:46]

drdaz:

lol nice!

[22:30:56]

Zork_:

Anyone knows how to make a "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" work with windows media player? (I'm using a PVR250)

[22:31:16]

drdaz:

Zork_: ??

[22:31:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Zork_: if you have a proper mpeg2 decoder installed it should work out of the box

[22:31:42]

Zork_:

yes, well... it doesn't.

[22:31:57]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and you have a proper mpeg2 decoder installed? :P

[22:32:03]

Zork_:

And it used to work on my previous installation.

[22:32:26]

RaYmAn-Bx:

your previous installation of windows or linux?

[22:32:29]

Zork_:

I still have mpg's of the old installation laying around. And these are playing fine with windows media player.

[22:32:37]

Zork_:

Previous knoppmyth installation.

[22:32:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

weird

[22:32:39]

drdaz:

Zork_: how big is the test.mpg file?

[22:32:54]

Zork_:

Doesn't matter. Tried it with 100mb and 5 Gb.

[22:33:06]

Zork_:

But it does work with mplayer. Just not with windows media player.

[22:33:08]

Juski:

RaYmAn-Bx: interactive stuff on DVB is mostly rubbish anyway – and support _is_ coming for MHEG to mythtv, so all UK DVB-T users will be able rejoice in playing shitty java games on their myth boxen

[22:33:12]

drdaz:

hmm

[22:33:24]

drdaz:

thats bizarre

[22:33:30]

Zork_:

I know :-)

[22:33:50]

Zork_:

Haven't changed a bit in the hardware, so it must be software.

[22:34:12]

drdaz:

the thing is that cat command has nada to do with myth

[22:34:19]

Zork_:

It's been at least half a year ago, when I installed the previous version.

[22:34:34]

Zork_:

Yes, I know. But I hoped someone would recognise the problem...

[22:34:44]

Zork_:

Probably more an ivtv problem I guess?

[22:34:48]

drdaz:

totally

[22:34:56]

drdaz:

but I missed the rest of the problem..

[22:35:01]

Zork_:

I hate that :-)

[22:35:02]

drdaz:

thats not the only thing is it?

[22:35:11]

Zork_:

Well, actually yes.

[22:35:16]

Zork_:

That's the only thing.

[22:35:23]

drdaz:

the rest of your system works?

[22:35:26]

Juski:

dump WMP & use VLC on yer windows box.. that'll solve it

[22:35:38]

Zork_:

yes, everything else works more or less (except lirc :-))

[22:35:49]

drdaz:

dont lose sleep over it then :)

[22:36:00]

Zork_:

Yes, I know I could use VLC. But it used to work.

[22:36:08]

bjohnson_:

would software mpeg decoding take less cpu power if the video was black & white?

[22:36:13]

drdaz:

what is the error that WMP throws?

[22:36:29]

Beirdo:

bjohnson_, likely not as it would still be treated as color

[22:36:38]

Zork_:

No error, just weird playing behavour. Like black screen, no sound, etc.

[22:36:49]

Juski:

install a DVD player program – that should solve WMP's inability to play mpeg2 properly

[22:37:03]

drdaz:

black screen + no sound = nothing at all?

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Zork_:

Sometimes even getting the playing time wrong (plays for 3 seconds even though there is at least half an hour of video

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drdaz:

:-|

[22:37:15]

Beirdo:

if it ignored the chroma and didn't encode it at all, then black & white should take significantly less encoding

[22:37:31]

Beirdo:

but I'm not aware of any codecs that are tuned for luma-only

[22:37:32]

Juski:

installing quicktime can screw up a windows box in ways you wouldn't imagine – maybe that was it ;-)

[22:37:41]

Zork_:

hehe...

[22:38:03]

Zork_:

No, I still have a few mpeg's which were recorded with the previous installation. They all work fine.

[22:38:12]

Juski:

"do you want QuickTime to continually steal your file format preferences? YES or YES?"

[22:38:15]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm out for food

[22:39:02]

Zork_:

There's no ivtv channel, is there?

[22:39:08]

Juski:

yes there is

[22:39:14]

Juski:

#ivtv-dev

[22:39:25]

drdaz:

Zork_: I assume you've stopped the cat command when you try to play the file yeah?

[22:39:28]

Juski:

very little traffic there by all accounts though

[22:39:38]

Zork_:

drdaz: yes.

[22:39:43]

drdaz:

yeah the mailing list is better I think..

[22:39:52]

Zork_:

drdaz: But I also tried recording normally through mythtv. same problem there.

[22:40:11]

drdaz:

myth plays it fine

[22:40:17]

drdaz:

and WMP pukes

[22:40:20]

drdaz:

hmm

[22:40:21]

Zork_:

yes

[22:40:39]

drdaz:

that's utterly bizarre

[22:40:49]

drdaz:

could you post a clip somewhere?

[22:40:57]

drdaz:

I can see if my box plays it

[22:41:21]

Zork_:

When I do a tcprobe -i on an old file, and on a new file, the following only appears on the old (working) file:

[22:41:22]

Zork_:

frame rate: -f 25.000 [25.000] frc=3

[22:41:22]

Zork_:

PTS=0.4004, frame_time=40 ms, bitrate=6000 kbps

[22:41:38]

Zork_:

I'm in PAL country (Netherlands)

[22:42:45]

Zork_:

I'll drop in the full tcprobe. This is the old (working) one:

[22:42:49]

Zork_:

[tcprobe] MPEG program stream (PS)

[22:42:49]

Zork_:

[tcprobe] summary for 03011755_Rail_away_VS__Denver_en_Pikes_Peak_.mpg, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected

[22:42:49]

Zork_:

import frame size: -g 720x576 [720x576]

[22:42:49]

Zork_:

aspect ratio: 4:3 (*)

[22:42:50]

Zork_:

frame rate: -f 25.000 [25.000] frc=3

[22:42:51]

Zork_:

PTS=0.4004, frame_time=40 ms, bitrate=6000 kbps

[22:42:53]

Zork_:

audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 48000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x50 [0x2000] (*)

[22:42:55]

Zork_:

PTS=0.3206, bitrate=384 kbps

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drdaz:

:-|

[22:42:57]

Zork_:

-D 1 --av_fine_ms 39 (frames & ms) [0] [0]

[22:42:59]

Zork_:

And this the new (not working) one:

[22:43:04]

Zork_:

[tcprobe] MPEG program stream (PS)

[22:43:04]

Zork_:

[tcprobe] summary for 1023_20060319141700.mpg, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected

[22:43:06]

Zork_:

audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 48000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x50 [0x2000] (*)

[22:43:09]

Zork_:

PTS=1.4281, bitrate=384 kbps

[22:43:09]

Zork_:

detected (39) presentation unit(s) (SCR reset)

[22:44:03]

Zork_:

The files are different, but it doesn't tell me much :-) Haven't got a clue.

[22:44:10]

drdaz:

:-/

[22:44:15]

** drdaz shrugs **

[22:44:29]

drdaz:

cant say I'm any the wiser

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makomk:

RaYmAn-Bx: there's an (experimental) patch on Trac for digital text etc; haven't tried it though, and I don't have a Linux driver for my DVB-T hardware anyway.

[22:46:03]

RaYmAn-Bx:

makomk: I only have analog anyways so

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Likwid:

arghh my 0.19 build failed case i didnt add the group plugdev to the system, how do i do that on command line?

[22:54:06]

Juski:

groupadd

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Likwid:

cool, thanks

[22:55:11]

Likwid:

every time i think im learning alot, i hit something that i should know and it bursts my bubble lol

[22:55:41]

scopeuk:

welcome to my wrold level 5 please mind the doors on hte way out of the elevator

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Juski:

I'm in the comfort zone – stuff just works, so I'lm starting to forget things

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scopeuk:

heh me never of that far

[22:56:37]

scopeuk:

i mrearly bad at takign the asy option knoppmyth in this case

[22:56:40]

Likwid:

well im getting a new comp, so this one is gonna be my HTPC, but i have a p3 550 that imusing for myth right now so i can learn alot before i have to get everything down perfect :)

[22:56:57]

Juski:

good idea, Likwid

[22:57:36]

makomk:

Heh – you should try something like, say, using MythTV on a new (Linux drivers still being written) device

[22:57:51]

scopeuk:

wow you pare box your usign for myth is better than the spare box im usign for myth lol its better than some of the desktops my amily are using

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Likwid:

scopeuk: you know how many times i got pissed and went from gentoo, to knoppmyth, to debian, to unbuntu and back to windows to get my HTPC running cause i know i can get everything working flawless in like 20 minutes in XP lol

[22:58:19]

scopeuk:

heh i was this close |---| to going to xp for my needs

[22:58:27]

scopeuk:

i know how to use xp liux is still kinda new to me

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Juski:

scopeuk: why do you think I resorted to using Linux & mythtv?

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Likwid:

scopeuk: i figured i would bite the bullet and learn as much as i could with that box

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Likwid:

scopeuk: and went back to linux after that determined to get myth working :)

[22:59:12]

Juski:

I know XP inside out, but could I hell get my Freeview tuner to work without hanging, losing channel data or needing me to reboot

[22:59:22]

scopeuk:

i tried then realised that it is beyond my capeabilities to learn that fast

[22:59:34]

Likwid:

bah dinner while myth is compiling be back in a few fellas :)

[22:59:46]

scopeuk:

heh i know xp inside out but to hell if a 433 will run capture at real tiem on xp lol

[22:59:52]

scopeuk:

l8r

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Juski:

XP is a PoS except when drivers & software are spot on (hardly ever, so it mostly stinks)

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Juski:

bedtime.. night all

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scopeuk:

heh most of my boxen wokrk out of the box iwth xp

[23:00:17]

scopeuk:

night Juski

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makomk:

Hmmm... XP MCE 2005 is quite nice in my opinion, it's just missing some killer features of MythTV I can't do without.

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scopeuk:

eg?

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hwt:

can i tune manually from mythfrontend?

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scopeuk:

nope

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hwt:

i have some trouble finding any channels on my bt787 card.

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dtm:

makomk: like what

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scopeuk:

usine xawtv then run mythfilldatabase -xawtvchannels

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hwt:

or are those cards poorly supported?

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dtm:

hwt: that's what xawtv is for

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scopeuk:

hwt i pulled all my chan data with xawtv and added the stuff through mythweb

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dtm:

hwt: and mplayer

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hwt:

i don't get any channels with xawtv either.

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hwt:

just a blue screen

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scopeuk:

hwt afaik the bt878 and 787 are well understood i could be wrong

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scopeuk:

you tried up down and left or right

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makomk:

MythWeb, all the list-based views of programs (the "new programs" in particular), some of the more exotic record types, ...

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scopeuk:

to move throuhgthe chans

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scopeuk:

mythweb rules

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scopeuk:

all it needs is playback controls for front end and it whould be ultimate

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drdaz:

it would also be one terribly confused application if it did that I think...

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hwt:

scopeuk: yeah.

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hwt:

scopeuk: but i might be using the wrong device or something.

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scopeuk:

im gonan risk an update on my box tomorow

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scopeuk:

heh every thing can be directed wrong

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scopeuk:

spsoe once i upgrade ill settle for telnet controls

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scopeuk:

or find me an app that has several buttons that issue telnet comands sorta liek an ip bassed remote i can leave runign on my desktop

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scopeuk:

heh heres a though does the telnet accept comands from serial or jsut via ip

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scopeuk:

over tcp/ip sory

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hwt:

scopeuk: when i do a xavtw -device /dev/video0 i get a:

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hwt:

scopeuk: X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode

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scopeuk:

have you tried xawtv?

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hwt:

scopeuk: that's xawtv.

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scopeuk:

i mean jsut xawtv

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scopeuk:

without the device identifier

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hwt:

scopeuk: yeah.

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scopeuk:

and?

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hwt:

scopeuk: that just produces a blue screen.

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hwt:

scopeuk: no channels.

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hwt:

in myth, at least it appears to be tuning in noice.

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scopeuk:

you tried up and down arrows on your keybaord?

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hwt:

uhm, noise.

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hwt:

scopeuk: yes,.

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scopeuk:

yeh xaw will jsut blue screen when there is noiise

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scopeuk:

thats the way it works

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hwt:

okay.

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scopeuk:

what country are you in?

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hwt:

scopeuk: but i guess i need pal?

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hwt:

scopeuk:norway.

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scopeuk:

any one else in here from norway can give us a channel numerb to test

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scopeuk:

number*

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scopeuk:

do you knwo that channel numebr of any channel in norway

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scopeuk:

tunning channel not wha its called or when it is normaly tunend too

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scopeuk:

becosue i should imagine there will be a huge gap at some points

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scopeuk:

have you been through all channels using up and down

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scopeuk:

?

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hwt:

scopeuk: yup.

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scopeuk:

hmm ave you tested the arial?

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hwt:

scopeuk: no? what's that?

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scopeuk:

the wire that goes to the card

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scopeuk:

from the anntena/arial

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hwt:

scopeuk: works with my tv

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scopeuk:

aerial sorry

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scopeuk:

ok

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hwt:

it says ntsc/europe-west

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scopeuk:

jsut cheackign you had a working aerial

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hwt:

should be pal here in norway

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scopeuk:

then change it

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scopeuk:

is xawtv full screen?

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hwt:

no

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scopeuk:

right click the window a menu comes up

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scopeuk:

you cna change the setting on there

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scopeuk:

think its right click may be left think m also works

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scopeuk:

give me a cuppel of mins l put my box onthen i can help more

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hwt:

scopeuk: thanks!

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hwt:

scopeuk: changed to pal, but doesn't work now either.

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scopeuk:

hmmm

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scopeuk:

my box is takign logner than normalto boot

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hwt:

no problem, i'm waiting. :)

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scopeuk:

i cant rearly help you all that much more then

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scopeuk:

im by all measues clueless

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scopeuk:

if you cant fidn anythign i there

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scopeuk:

is europ west the right frequency set

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scopeuk:

do we have any other emyth users from norway here

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scopeuk:

preferably withtunned analog cards

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hwt:

trying us-cable now.

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scopeuk:

have you tried googling for norway and myth

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hwt:

no, not really, sorry.

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scopeuk:

im askign becouse im fresh outa ideas

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scopeuk:

any way bbiab

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GreyFoxx:

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx exists!

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thomasd:

does the channel frequency really matter?

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thomasd:

i tried us-cable, us-cable-hrc, us-cable-irc, all 3 worked

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thomasd:

when i called my cable company and asked them which one to set, they had me on hold for like 20 minutes and noone could answer my question

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thomasd:

they just said "i guess use us-cable"

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kormoc:

thomasd, just use us-cable unless you have an issue

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kormoc:

thomasd, they're all very similar, just a few difference here and there which causes them to have three types

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thomasd:

yeah, it works fine

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thomasd:

i was just curious as to if it mattered

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thomasd:

thanks

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AngryElf:

hey all, i'm getting an error starting mythfrontend "connect: permission denied" which is an error with lirc.......i'm not sure how to track this down......what is "connect"??

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kormoc:

AngryElf, it's tring to connect to /dev/lircd and it's getting a permission denied...

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kormoc:

AngryElf, connect is when it trys to communicate to the socket...

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kormoc:

AngryElf, Related to fasten, or put together two pieces, to become joined, united, or linked

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