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| [00:02:51] | jpimp12t: | xris: what? |
| [00:02:59] | grant__: | xris: I'm not sure |
| [00:03:03] | grant__: | I don't have a digital box |
| [00:03:45] | jpimp12t: | i wanted to know if you have to have a box or if theirs a card u can buy |
| [00:03:46] | grant__: | however, after reading numerous posts and whatnot, I've come to the conclusion that local HD content is usually there |
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| [00:07:22] | jerky_2: | grant__, i don't see why you'd run into bandwidth issues, considering people use dual HD cards without a problem |
| [00:07:36] | xris: | grant__: if you don't have digital cable, you wont have digital HD to pick up on the wires. |
| [00:07:38] | jerky_2: | PCI is a 133 MB/s bus, and an HD feed is only a few MB/s |
| [00:07:57] | grant__: | jerky_2: yeah, that does make sense |
| [00:08:04] | grant__: | xris: I don't think that's entirely true |
| [00:08:05] | xris: | jerky_2: I can't watch and play back HD at the same time... seems to be some amount of CPU involved in recording. |
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| [00:08:22] | xris: | grant__: you'd be one of few if you got digital without paying for it. |
| [00:08:25] | kormoc: | jerky_2, that's 133 MB/s shared, and thus it depends on how the other cards share their part or not |
| [00:08:27] | jerky_2: | xris, what kind of system do you have? the CPU involved in recording an MPEG2-TS stream is minimal, 3% maybe |
| [00:08:39] | xris: | jerky_2: 2.4Ghz p4 |
| [00:08:44] | grant__: | xris: I don't believe the cable company "turns on" digital cable if you order a digital box |
| [00:08:47] | xris: | I can't watch and record at the same time. |
| [00:08:51] | grant__: | I do have cable internet |
| [00:09:12] | xris: | grant__: some of them do. I know this because kormoc spent the weekend trying just what you're talking about. |
| [00:09:13] | jerky_2: | xris, you try XvMC? |
| [00:09:19] | kormoc: | grant_, I have comcast cable internet, and standard cable, I used a air2pc card and did a scan, and it didn't detect anything more then my analog channels. |
| [00:09:25] | xris: | jerky_2: SiS chipset |
| [00:09:40] | grant__: | and, the fcc requires cable companies to broadcast local HD content |
| [00:09:42] | jerky_2: | digital cable is going to be encrypted anyway, so even if it wasn't "Turned off", you couldn't use it |
| [00:09:50] | xris: | grant__ *only* to digital subscribers. |
| [00:10:05] | grant__: | hmm |
| [00:10:14] | jerky_2: | that's not always true, the cable company around here is in a financial quibble with FOX and so they don't provide FOX HD even to digital subscribers |
| [00:10:25] | jerky_2: | i've hear dthe same thing happened in teh Omaha area with their local CBS station |
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| [00:10:37] | jerky_2: | the only way to get FOX HD in madison WI is over the air with an antenna |
| [00:10:44] | grant__: | well, once I get the card, if I don't detect any HD content, I'll get the digital package |
| [00:11:08] | jerky_2: | you should try hooking your HD card up to an antenna first, it's free, so that way you can test your HD capabilities |
| [00:11:12] | xris: | grant__ but at that point, you're better off getting firewire. |
| [00:11:38] | jerky_2: | xris, i have a p4 2.2 that could record and playback 720p ok, but not 1080i, now i bought a g4 mx440 and use XvMC and 1080i works pretty well |
| [00:11:41] | jpimp12t: | i live in omaha |
| [00:11:45] | grant__: | xris: perhaps, but I don't really want to have anything to do with a box |
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| [00:11:59] | kormoc: | grant_, you're likely gonna need the box anyway |
| [00:12:01] | jerky_2: | it skips / stutters sometimes, but i turned on audio warping to use the video as a timebase (experimental) and it works pretty well |
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| [00:12:16] | styrmis: | Hi all |
| [00:12:20] | jerky_2: | jpimp12t, do you know if cox (i think that's the cable monopoly there) has settled its dispute and provides CBS HD through their service? |
| [00:12:47] | jpimp12t: | yes |
| [00:12:48] | grant__: | kormoc: perhaps... I dunno. I've read a lot of posts about it. One dude ran his coax straight into his pchdtv card and was fine |
| [00:12:53] | kormoc: | grant_, without the box, how will you deencrypt the channel? |
| [00:12:59] | jerky_2: | around me we have charter cable, and they won't pay the sinclair broadcast group for the use of their local FOX HD signal, so people around here can't see the packers games in HD without an antenna. ha |
| [00:13:12] | grant__: | kormoc: fcc law says that local HD content must be unencrypted |
| [00:13:15] | styrmis: | I'm reinstalling a Gentoo-based Myth system, and neither the ebuild nor the 0.4.2 source I downloaded is producing an ivtv-fb module. Can anyone guess why that might be? |
| [00:13:16] | grant__: | it's against the law if it is |
| [00:13:23] | jpimp12t: | jerky_2: we have cbs HD now, but cox ran an ad campaign against them |
| [00:13:23] | kormoc: | grant_, sure, but that's very few channels |
| [00:13:39] | grant__: | kormoc: all I want is local channels in HD |
| [00:13:40] | xris: | grant__: your options are: pay a ton and get an HD card that can pick up OTA HD signals and maybe the OTA channels transmitted over digital cable (hopefully not encrypted), get a firewire card and plug it into your HD-capable cable box and get ALL cable channels in nice digital goodness. Both of them require digital cable. |
| [00:13:57] | xris: | only option that doesn't require digital cable is to get an antenna. |
| [00:14:17] | grant__: | xris: now if I do that, will I still be able to control the box via mythtv? |
| [00:14:31] | kormoc: | grant_, yes, you can control the cable box via myth |
| [00:14:35] | grant__: | hmmmmmm |
| [00:14:42] | jerky_2: | that's the tricky part, you would need to use an IR blaster |
| [00:14:52] | kormoc: | they are dirt cheap tho |
| [00:14:53] | grant__: | well, hopefully I won't win that bid on the pchdtv card on ebay... |
| [00:14:55] | xris: | grant__: depending on what kind of firewire box they give you, it's all handled over the firewire.... otherwise, you can with serial or ir blaster (depending on the cable box) |
| [00:15:14] | grant__: | yeah, that really seems to be the way to go |
| [00:15:23] | grant__: | my mobo has firewire built in |
| [00:15:32] | jerky_2: | IR blasters are a good thing, but i had a VCR that was really a bitch about receiving signals from mine so i ended up giving up on that |
| [00:15:35] | xris: | then you get digital cable for your normal tv-watching, too... |
| [00:15:47] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [00:16:01] | grant__: | that's one thing I was wondering about.. am I receiving crappy analog cable on my pvr500 card? |
| [00:16:04] | kormoc: | I don't want to pay $125 to the cable company a month, but I'm so tempted |
| [00:16:11] | grant__: | is that why some channels just plain suck? |
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| [00:16:26] | kormoc: | grant_, that's the nature of analog, if there's noise on the line or what not, that's how it is |
| [00:16:31] | grant__: | kormoc: yeah really.. I'm already paying out the ass.. |
| [00:16:45] | jpimp12t: | so if you want digital cable through myth, you have to have a cable box for every tuner? |
| [00:16:47] | ** xris likes his dish ** | |
| [00:16:56] | xris: | jpimp12t: or firewire |
| [00:17:10] | jpimp12t: | now xris explain that to me, would you? |
| [00:17:24] | jpimp12t: | im confused like how firewire is being implemented |
| [00:17:42] | kormoc: | jpimp12t, the cable box acts like a firewire based encoder card, similar to the usb encoder cards |
| [00:17:54] | kormoc: | jpimp12t, so it just streams directly down the firewire the mpeg2 stream |
| [00:18:03] | jpimp12t: | oh |
| [00:18:33] | jpimp12t: | but do all the cableboxes firmware support that if they have the ports? |
| [00:18:50] | grant__: | So I have a n00b question.. has anyone experienced low volume on playback? |
| [00:19:03] | xris: | jpimp12t: no. but if you pay for HD cable, the cable company is required by law to make sure you have a box that can (if you ask) |
| [00:19:12] | kormoc: | grant__, only if I turn the volume down |
| [00:19:19] | jpimp12t: | xris: thanks |
| [00:19:33] | xris: | they're only required to give you SD (480p), but it's more work to downsample, so I think all of them give you the full HD signal when it's available. |
| [00:19:38] | grant__: | There is a fairly hefty difference between live tv volume and playback volume on my setup |
| [00:19:43] | grant__: | quite strange, really |
| [00:20:36] | jpimp12t: | grant__ is it how its encoded? |
| [00:21:00] | grant__: | jpimp12t: not sure.. I suppose whatever gets crapped out of the pvr500 hardware encoding |
| [00:21:59] | jpimp12t: | now, i don't have a myth box yet but after its mpeg2 encoded on the card, does myth re-encode it at mpeg4 with different settings? |
| [00:22:03] | Anduin: | grant__ – Check your recording profile volume settings. |
| [00:22:13] | xris: | jpimp12t: not unless you tell it to |
| [00:22:19] | kormoc: | jpimp12t, no, myth doesn't reencode it by default |
| [00:22:32] | grant__: | Anduin: is that in mythtv-setup or frontend? |
| [00:22:44] | jpimp12t: | so has anyone with cox tried this firewire deal? |
| [00:22:45] | Anduin: | grant_ – frontend |
| [00:23:17] | Anduin: | grant__ – Setup | TV Settings | Recorging Profiles | etc |
| [00:23:35] | grant__: | Anduin: gotcha |
| [00:23:46] | grant__: | hmm.. it's recording at 480x480 |
| [00:23:52] | grant__: | that seems... small |
| [00:24:05] | jpimp12t: | 480x480 isn't a standard |
| [00:24:26] | xris: | jpimp12t: you've never seen an svcd? |
| [00:24:34] | jpimp12t: | guess not |
| [00:24:44] | grant__: | jpimp12t, yeah, that does not seem right |
| [00:25:12] | jpimp12t: | shouldn't it be 4:3 or 16:9 or one of those others |
| [00:25:24] | xris: | jpimp12t: only if you think pixels should be square |
| [00:25:41] | jpimp12t: | ? |
| [00:25:47] | jpimp12t: | i don't understand i guess |
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| [00:25:59] | xris: | anamorphic |
| [00:26:07] | xris: | like that 16:9 dvd that's still 720x480 |
| [00:26:30] | xris: | it's stretched on playback into 4:3.... |
| [00:26:39] | xris: | most of us just change the res, though |
| [00:26:45] | Beirdo: | well, not 4:3 either |
| [00:26:55] | Beirdo: | 4:3 is 640x480, no? |
| [00:26:58] | grant__: | 640x480 is the "normal" resolution |
| [00:27:00] | jpimp12t: | oh i see |
| [00:27:00] | Beirdo: | numerically |
| [00:27:11] | sPiN: | howdy fellas, once again myth hung my machine and i had to hard reset it... then i get all kinds of errors when i started back |
| [00:27:20] | xris: | grant_: except that many record at 720x480 |
| [00:27:31] | sPiN: | so now i need to redo the database, it has entries that dont physically exist |
| [00:27:47] | grant__: | xris: hmm.. should I? |
| [00:28:01] | Beirdo: | yup, we record at 720x480 as it's easiest to create DVD content from after |
| [00:28:09] | grant__: | hmm |
| [00:28:13] | xris: | grant_: play around with whatever works best for you |
| [00:28:29] | sPiN: | i tried the /contrib/ dir and tried to use myth-rebuilddatabase.pl and it does the opposite of what i need... |
| [00:29:46] | kormoc: | sPiN, there was a gentleman who worked on a script in here this morning that did what you wanted |
| [00:30:01] | grant__: | Anduin: ahhh.. yes, the volume is set at 90%, oddly |
| [00:30:17] | sPiN: | well what is my recourse here? should i manually edit the database and remove the records from the recordings table |
| [00:30:24] | kormoc: | sPiN, dtm wrote this this morning |
| [00:30:29] | kormoc: | sPiN, for i in $(mysql -umythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg -h 10.1.1.220 -e "select basename from recorded;" | grep -v basename) ; do if [ ! -f $i ] ; then mysql -umythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg -h 10.1.1.220 -e "delete from recorded where basename = '${i}';" ; fi ; done |
| [00:31:08] | catisonh: | kormoc, just so you know, I fixed my problem, the atrprms version of ivtv I was using had a problem |
| [00:31:35] | catisonh: | now, anyone want to help me get mythweb working? |
| [00:31:42] | catisonh: | I know nothing about php |
| [00:31:52] | Anduin: | grant_ – depending on your card that is either good or bad |
| [00:31:58] | kormoc: | catisonh, well, that's good that it's workign and that's good that you're not coding |
| [00:32:14] | grant__: | Anduin, can you elaborate? I have a pvr-500 card |
| [00:32:35] | kormoc: | grant_, most people record at ~ 85 or so to keep the audio from getting crackly |
| [00:32:57] | grant__: | I see |
| [00:33:08] | Anduin: | grant__ – I don't have a 500 so I don't know the ranges there, for the x50's though a good value even depends on your msp3400 version (though as time passes that is less annoying) |
| [00:33:16] | grant__: | well, given that most of my recordings have very low volume.. |
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| [00:33:45] | grant__: | I'll play it by "ear", ba dum ching! |
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| [00:34:36] | yaaar: | so, starting today when i rebooted into my new kernel (ubuntu machine, kernel was installed by auto-update) mythtv won't tune any channels. ivtv drivers (i'm using pvr-150) are loaded, backend running, when i run frontend i get a couple lirc errors and if i try to watch tv it's just a black screen |
| [00:35:07] | yaaar: | mythbackend.log shows a couple lines like: QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty |
| [00:35:53] | yaaar: | http://pastebin.ca/45681 <--- output of mythfrontend |
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| [00:37:23] | yaaar: | http://pastebin.ca/45769 <--- mythbackend.log |
| [00:37:34] | jpimp12t: | xris: i was just looking at our 2 tuner DVR box from the cable company and it has 2 Firewire ports on back |
| [00:38:18] | jpimp12t: | do you think that means its capable of outing both tuners outputs? |
| [00:41:47] | Beirdo: | only if they are in the closet |
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| [00:42:55] | jpimp12t: | yea thats not what i meant |
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| [00:50:30] | yaaar: | anybody know why mythtv stopped working when i upgraded my kernel and rebooted? |
| [00:50:38] | yaaar: | (see above for specifics) |
| [00:51:23] | xris: | yaaar: missing ivtv in the new kernel? |
| [00:51:35] | yaaar: | xris: lsmod shows it loaded... |
| [00:52:08] | xris: | yaaar: then you'll need to provide more info than "stopped working" |
| [00:52:30] | yaaar: | xris: did you look up above where i give the specifics? along with those pastebins? |
| [00:53:06] | xris: | nope, I totally missed that. heh |
| [00:53:33] | roger55: | hmm how does the control frontend over lan thing work? just point me to the docs if I missed it. |
| [00:58:42] | catisonh: | anyone know how to setup mythflix? |
| [00:58:54] | catisonh: | how do you tell it your queue information? |
| [00:59:21] | opello: | roger55: that just for 0.19? i don't like reaching over to my keyboard :) |
| [01:00:15] | roger55: | opello, yes, found the option in 0.19 |
| [01:00:28] | opello: | ah, i've yet to upgrade |
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| [01:00:50] | roger55: | opello, I turned grey in the past week ;) |
| [01:01:03] | opello: | grey? |
| [01:01:13] | roger55: | opello, hair-wise |
| [01:01:19] | opello: | oh wow |
| [01:01:43] | roger55: | nevermind, in a metaphorical sense ;) |
| [01:02:55] | opello: | busy week? :) |
| [01:04:17] | roger55: | that too, and setting up mythtv was harder than expected with dvb-s, works now though. |
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| [01:07:41] | Octane: | anyone here run nuvexport automatically using a job queue? |
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| [01:09:52] | FrostByte: | will an ATI Wonder TV VE card work in Myth? |
| [01:09:58] | Octane: | FrostByte yes |
| [01:10:02] | FrostByte: | awesome |
| [01:10:17] | Octane: | look it up on the list though on how to make it work |
| [01:10:25] | Octane: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [01:10:30] | FrostByte: | I was just going to ask |
| [01:10:36] | FrostByte: | thank you very much Octane |
| [01:10:44] | Octane: | np |
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| [01:14:48] | FrostByte: | thanks again Octane |
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| [01:20:40] | Octane: | anyone know how to automatically flag commericals and then run nuvexport on recorded shows? i have desperately searched the list |
| [01:21:20] | xris: | --gencutlist will generate a cutlist from the commercial flag list. |
| [01:21:33] | xris: | you could enable the realtime commercial flagging option in the backend. |
| [01:21:36] | xris: | er, frontend |
| [01:21:46] | xris: | then it should all be there when the user job runs |
| [01:23:25] | Octane: | mythcommflag, right |
| [01:24:11] | xris: | Octane: no, --gencutlist for nuvexport |
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| [01:24:27] | Octane: | ahhh thanks xris |
| [01:24:37] | xris: | commflag will run and exit quickly if there is another version of it already scanning for commercials |
| [01:24:48] | xris: | so you can't use it to block nuvexport until flagging is done |
| [01:24:54] | kormoc: | xris, that explains things! |
| [01:25:02] | xris: | kormoc: ? |
| [01:25:02] | ** kormoc grumbles ** | |
| [01:25:27] | kormoc: | I have a user job to run mythcommflag --gencutlist and every so often, a recording won't get them imported |
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| [01:27:02] | xris: | kormoc: yeah. mythcommflag is designed to run in parallel... it skips programs if another mythcommflag is already working on them |
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| [01:33:51] | sPiN: | GRRR! im having mysql issues... |
| [01:33:59] | sPiN: | i have dropped the table, i have recreated it |
| [01:34:37] | sPiN: | but there are no tables, i did... mysql --user=root --pass=blah < mc.sql |
| [01:34:53] | sPiN: | it skips to the next line, gives no error, but the database is empty |
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| [01:40:41] | Octane: | anyone know off the top of their head where user jobs can be edited? i cant find it |
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| [01:41:54] | Octane: | nm its in the setup |
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| [01:45:17] | yaaar: | so, starting today when i rebooted into my new kernel (ubuntu machine, kernel was installed by auto-update) mythtv won't tune any channels. ivtv drivers (i'm using pvr-150) are loaded, backend running, when i run frontend i get a couple lirc errors and if i try to watch tv it's just a black screen |
| [01:45:24] | yaaar: | http://pastebin.ca/45681 <--- output of mythfrontend |
| [01:45:30] | ftp3: | is there an OS that is considered the easiest to get going with? I was planning on debian, but since I am starting now.. a different suggestion would be fine |
| [01:45:32] | yaaar: | http://pastebin.ca/45769 <--- mythbackend.log |
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| [01:46:07] | yaaar: | ftp3: ubuntu was real straightforward.....except now that after an auto-update, it no longer works :-( |
| [01:46:39] | ftp3: | well, i see on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.2 there is a custom version for knoppix.. |
| [01:46:46] | sPiN: | ok.. so that was working... |
| [01:47:03] | kormoc: | ftp3, there's knoppmyth, there's a awesome fedora guide, ubuntu is considered easy |
| [01:49:18] | ftp3: | kormoc.. i am downloading the knoppmyth iso right now. i have a wintv 350 card.. and i have heard that drivers for that are difficult.. anyway.. hmm... I have never used ubuntu |
| [01:50:00] | sPiN: | suse on a 64bit, major pita.... |
| [01:50:54] | ftp3: | so, since i have never used ubuntu.. should I go with knoppmyth or fedora? |
| [01:51:05] | yaaar: | ftp3: i have the 150, which uses the same ivtv drivers. had to install the build-essential package and kernel sources, and then compile the ivtv package, but that was all really easy if you've ever done a standard './configure && make && make install' style build before |
| [01:51:35] | yaaar: | ftp3: didn't you say you're comfy with debian? |
| [01:52:18] | ftp3: | yes, and since knopp is based on it ;-) |
| [01:52:20] | kormoc: | yaaar, a wintv 350 is not a ivtv based card |
| [01:52:21] | yaaar: | ftp3: then there's certainly no reason to shy away from ubuntu just because you haven't used it before. |
| [01:52:30] | yaaar: | ftp3: ubuntu is debian-based also |
| [01:52:54] | yaaar: | kormoc: are you sure? i thought the whole pvr 150/250/350/500 etc were all ivtc |
| [01:53:00] | yaaar: | s/ivtc/ivtv |
| [01:53:00] | ftp3: | yaar, ok. :-) |
| [01:53:04] | dtm: | does mythtv have the capability to execute triggers (external commands) when it starts a recording? i need to manually change resolution and bitrates. |
| [01:53:16] | kormoc: | yaaar, yes, but he said wintv, different line of cards |
| [01:53:22] | dtm: | i need to define my recording profiles by echoing values to sysfs |
| [01:53:24] | yaaar: | uh... |
| [01:53:51] | yaaar: | kormoc: nope |
| [01:54:20] | ftp3: | its a hauppauge wintv-pvr 350 |
| [01:54:20] | yaaar: | kormoc: i'm looking at the manual for mine right now, and it says: "wintv-pvr-150/wintv-pvr-250/wintv-pvr-350" |
| [01:54:26] | yaaar: | exactly |
| [01:54:39] | kormoc: | huh, I thought for sure that the wintv ones were the bttv based line |
| [01:54:43] | ftp3: | yaar, downloading ubuntu now ;-) |
| [01:54:53] | yaaar: | ftp3: kewl |
| [01:55:09] | yaaar: | of course, it's worth noting that mine is busted right now... |
| [01:55:17] | yaaar: | but i'll bet you won't have trouble |
| [01:55:35] | yaaar: | i didn't when i set it up. just starting this morning when i rebooted into the new kernel |
| [01:55:50] | yaaar: | i think maybe i need to rebuild the ivtv drivers for the new kernel, even though lsmod shows them loaded.... |
| [01:55:54] | kormoc: | yaaar, ooh, sorry, all their tv cards are wintv, bttv or ivtv based |
| [01:56:45] | ftp3: | i was just seeing that the knoppmyth says its built specifically for mythtv |
| [01:57:20] | kormoc: | there's also mythdora, a fedora cd made specifically for mythtv |
| [01:57:30] | kormoc: | http://swik.net/MythDora |
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| [01:58:19] | ftp3: | so many choices :-) |
| [01:58:21] | AngryElf: | hey all, is there a way to 'clean up' mythconverg? For example, to remove recordings in the database that no longer exist |
| [01:58:28] | dtm: | kormoc: until these discs can autodetect and configure a wide variety of backend input cards, i dont get it. |
| [01:58:39] | dtm: | kormoc: anybody can install mythtv from repositories. |
| [01:58:51] | dtm: | it's the backend device support that's hard. |
| [01:59:19] | kormoc: | dtm, sure, for you, but not for everyone. there's lots of people who just want it to just do it's thing and not bother them, which those cds are good for |
| [01:59:27] | ftp3: | yaar, is there a howto webpage just for ubuntu? |
| [01:59:52] | yaaar: | ftp3: yeah, in the wiki....lemme get the url |
| [02:01:18] | dtm: | kormoc: i understnad that they work well for the frontend; i used knoppmyth for a while. but aren't they all worthless for the backend? |
| [02:01:27] | dtm: | kormoc: they dont even autoconfigure mysql do they? |
| [02:01:36] | kormoc: | dtm, they do I beleive |
| [02:01:38] | dtm: | oic |
| [02:01:54] | yaaar: | ftp3: ok, the mythtv wiki page is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythTV?highlight=%28mythtv%29 ....but i now recall that i used this guy's howto, because he went step-by-step through the hardware support because he has the same card: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html |
| [02:02:11] | ftp3: | ah, great. :-) thanks! |
| [02:02:20] | yaaar: | np |
| [02:03:18] | yaaar: | ftp3: the only thing not covered in the second one that i needed was making it work under a normal user (by default you need to login as mythtv for it to function) but that just required copying /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt over to ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:03:34] | alex777: | what's a good svideo capture card, no tuner on board, I want to capture from my satellite box ? |
| [02:03:46] | alex777: | just svideo capture |
| [02:04:11] | kormoc: | alex777, you won't find many high quality non tuner capture cards |
| [02:04:36] | alex777: | do you have any suggestions ? |
| [02:04:43] | alex777: | I use a pvr250 for regular tv |
| [02:04:50] | yaaar: | unless you get up into the really serious (and expensive) video editing i/o boards |
| [02:05:11] | alex777: | no, I want it cheap :) |
| [02:05:37] | kormoc: | alex777, the 150 is cheap and good |
| [02:05:40] | alex777: | something like the pvr250 without the tv tuner |
| [02:05:44] | kormoc: | ~ $65 or so |
| [02:05:56] | kormoc: | alex777, you won't find anything like that |
| [02:05:58] | alex777: | how about the winTV ? |
| [02:06:31] | kormoc: | alex777, you can find bttv cards, but most of them capture lower quality then the 150/250 would, and eat up your cpu to save $30 |
| [02:07:20] | alex777: | the 150 has onboard mpeg2 also ? |
| [02:07:25] | dtm: | would it be feasible to implement a hardware config database and mythtv user counter, with a gui inside mythtv, perhaps in mythbrowser? something that'd send an anonymous packet detailing the user's hardware stats? |
| [02:07:26] | yaaar: | alex777: yep |
| [02:07:31] | kormoc: | alex777, yuppies |
| [02:07:34] | dtm: | kinda like the linux counter |
| [02:07:55] | kormoc: | dtm, sure, but it won't happen, as most people wouldn't like that |
| [02:07:57] | dtm: | just so people would have an idea of how popular certain hardware is on linux |
| [02:08:08] | dtm: | kormoc: how could anyone not like it? it's anonymous data. |
| [02:08:12] | Beirdo: | anonymous packet -> spyware |
| [02:08:17] | dtm: | ?!?!! |
| [02:08:25] | alex777: | if I get the 150 obviously I'll be using it with mythtv, does the 150 MCE edition work with mythtv ok ? |
| [02:08:26] | Beirdo: | it can't be anonymous, it's coming from your IP |
| [02:08:34] | dtm: | no, the contents are anonymous |
| [02:08:37] | kormoc: | alex777, yup, well supported |
| [02:08:43] | kormoc: | dtm, how? |
| [02:08:59] | dtm: | kormoc: because they don't contain your name! |
| [02:09:00] | alex777: | so what's the main difference between 250 and 150 ? |
| [02:09:16] | alex777: | I know the 150 MCE doesn't come with a remote, which is fine, I use the 250 remote anyways |
| [02:09:22] | kormoc: | dtm, so they'd know that txwifi.hyperusa.com (which maps to dtm on irc) uses a blah proc and has a bleh root password... |
| [02:09:36] | dtm: | kormoc: it'd tell some of the "system stats" page type stuff. filesystem size, tuner type etc |
| [02:09:39] | kormoc: | alex777, the 150 is a updated version of the 250, but is slightly cheaper |
| [02:09:40] | dtm: | kormoc: w t f |
| [02:09:40] | Beirdo: | dtm: if I found such activity in mythtv, I'd be blocking it at my firewall |
| [02:09:43] | dtm: | kormoc: pure nonsense |
| [02:09:49] | dtm: | Beirdo: that's why it's opt in |
| [02:09:53] | dtm: | holy crap are you guys on meds? :) |
| [02:09:54] | kormoc: | dtm, but how does the user know for sure? |
| [02:09:59] | dtm: | kormoc: because it's free software. |
| [02:10:09] | kormoc: | dtm, heh, fair nuff |
| [02:10:14] | Beirdo: | and everyone reads the source? |
| [02:10:15] | dtm: | holy shitballs. |
| [02:10:23] | dtm: | Beirdo: the privacy freaks do |
| [02:10:25] | kormoc: | dtm, you could write a mythweb module for that, it would be more likely to be used |
| [02:10:46] | dtm: | openoffice encourages this, nvu has it built in with an opt-in popup |
| [02:10:59] | dtm: | google automatically gets it with every copy of firefox |
| [02:11:13] | yaaar: | Beirdo: that's a big fallacy; that everyone has to read source to get the benefit. all but the most paranoid of us would recognize that the fact that *enough* people get to read it means that we would all hear if they were slipping spyware in, because *someone* would see it |
| [02:11:18] | dtm: | slackware had it built in forever |
| [02:11:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:11:29] | dtm: | to tell people to go to the linux counter on li.org |
| [02:11:33] | Beirdo: | fallacy my ass |
| [02:11:40] | dtm: | yaaar: yeah, thanks |
| [02:11:45] | yaaar: | Beirdo: that's bullshit |
| [02:11:55] | dtm: | Beirdo: yes. that's exactly what the word fallacy exists to define |
| [02:11:57] | dtm: | it's a fallacy. |
| [02:11:59] | Beirdo: | I'd be willing to bet that of the thousands of mythtv users, only a handful have bothered to look at code |
| [02:12:09] | dtm: | Beirdo: yes. precisely enough |
| [02:12:14] | alex777: | hm, buy.com has the 150MCE for $63 w/ free shipping |
| [02:12:19] | Beirdo: | and of that handful, almost all are developers of myth |
| [02:12:21] | yaaar: | Beirdo: i don't have to read the source, as long as i know there are plenty of people out there who do and would be outraged and publish their findings all over the net if bad stuff was going down |
| [02:12:22] | dtm: | and more would do so, if an opt-in feature existed. |
| [02:12:36] | sPiN: | i get this AFD Error: Unknown decoding error |
| [02:12:45] | sPiN: | and i have glitches in my recordings |
| [02:13:02] | armand: | have you seen myth source? |
| [02:13:11] | Beirdo: | many many times |
| [02:13:11] | armand: | its not like a magazine you just pull out and read on the toilet |
| [02:13:17] | Beirdo: | sure it is :) |
| [02:13:27] | dtm: | but, ya know, be as vigilant as ya want. it could be a mere suggestion to pop out a url in a browser and fill it in. |
| [02:13:28] | armand: | beirdo: wasnt really talking to you but okie! :D |
| [02:13:34] | dtm: | armand: the part in question would be, yes |
| [02:13:34] | sean33: | how good is the support for ya USB joysticks ? a 15 button Game pad with vibration will it work ? |
| [02:13:34] | Beirdo: | print a copy on toilet paper :) |
| [02:13:35] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you sir, are a unique freak :P |
| [02:13:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, I tend to read code for the hell of it |
| [02:13:59] | kormoc: | dtm, that's why I think a mythweb plugin would be more likely to be used |
| [02:14:22] | kormoc: | in any case, I'm out |
| [02:14:35] | dtm: | kormoc: ok. just an idea! i thought of it because pvrusb2 driver is state of the art and yet is just incomplete enough that the author has to choose priorities of what to implement |
| [02:14:48] | kormoc: | heh, fair nuff |
| [02:15:12] | dtm: | if he knew that 20,000 people wanted mythtv to change the resolution automatically rather than have FM radio support, he would be completely influenced |
| [02:15:35] | dtm: | and if hauppauge knew that 500,000 people bought their hardware just to run it on linux, they might get off their asses |
| [02:15:47] | dtm: | i'm of course completely imagining those figures ;) |
| [02:15:49] | dev: | Encoder 1 is local on argos and is recording: 'American Idol' on WNYW. This recording will end at 10:01 PM. |
| [02:15:49] | dev: | Encoder 2 is local on argos and is recording: 'Dirty Jobs' on DSC. This recording will end at 10:02 PM. |
| [02:15:49] | dev: | Encoder 3 is remote on siegfried and is recording |
| [02:15:49] | dev: | Encoder 4 is remote on siegfried and is watching Live TV |
| [02:15:51] | dev: | heh |
| [02:15:54] | dtm: | big "if"s |
| [02:16:19] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
| [02:16:23] | kormoc: | I'll be back later |
| [02:16:24] | dtm: | la la la |
| [02:16:26] | dtm: | kormoc: l8r |
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| [02:16:42] | alex777: | is there a way to reencode the recordings in mythtv to divx remotely ? |
| [02:16:55] | alex777: | I'm sure there is, but could you guys point me to a resource :) |
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| [02:17:04] | dtm: | alex777: you execute the command via ssh! |
| [02:17:15] | dev: | heh yeah. |
| [02:17:18] | alex777: | :) |
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| [02:17:39] | alex777: | well, I never did any transcoding with mythtv so I have no idea |
| [02:18:24] | dev: | useing something like nuvexport, which is a cli utility, is useful for making transcoding easier... |
| [02:18:42] | dev: | or you just use mencoder or transcode yourself, but nuvexport talks to myth which is nice. |
| [02:19:02] | alex777: | and nuvexport can be executed remotely ? |
| [02:19:09] | dev: | its cli |
| [02:19:25] | alex777: | cli ? |
| [02:19:33] | alex777: | command line interface ? |
| [02:19:46] | dev: | yes.. |
| [02:20:03] | alex777: | ok, I'm looking on google for a how to or whatever |
| [02:20:28] | dev: | a how to for...? useing nuvexport? |
| [02:20:37] | alex777: | yes |
| [02:20:40] | dev: | the readme works 99% of the time. |
| [02:21:00] | alex777: | then I'll try that :) |
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| [02:22:33] | Daluv: | Is possible to have the TV guide working without having a working capture card? |
| [02:23:11] | dev: | then if you want to get really crazy you run it in screen so you can detach then logoff, not having to keep ssh open |
| [02:24:14] | alex777: | yea, I figured that |
| [02:24:22] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:24:31] | Beirdo: | I run just about everything in screen |
| [02:24:32] | alex777: | I'm looking at the docs and I'm finding the mythtranscode stuff |
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| [02:25:10] | dev: | Beirdo: yeah me too. having make buildworld die because you lost connect to a box for whatever reason, sucks |
| [02:25:18] | dev: | screen's a good habit |
| [02:25:26] | Beirdo: | screen + ssh is great |
| [02:25:42] | Beirdo: | I NEVER logoff at work |
| [02:25:44] | Beirdo: | or at home :) |
| [02:26:21] | dev: | i usually run screen on whatever box im connecting to so whatever im doing on that box is dependent on network connectivity. like if you screen on a local box then ssh someone. kind of defeats the purpose |
| [02:26:32] | dev: | *not |
| [02:26:34] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [02:26:51] | Beirdo: | not when your machines have uptimes of usually > 6 months |
| [02:27:02] | dev: | your isp is that good? never drops? :P |
| [02:27:22] | Beirdo: | I had one pppoe session for 9 months straight |
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| [02:27:36] | dev: | your datacenter/network people never screw up your border gateways or switches 'by accident' in the night during maintenance windows? ;) |
| [02:28:13] | Beirdo: | if they do, they get a phone call "by accident" and I bitch them out good |
| [02:28:24] | dev: | hehe =] |
| [02:28:51] | dev: | ive had buildworlds fail because losing connectivity. screw that. better safe than sorry. |
| [02:29:53] | dev: | or a portupgrade -aRr dieing from lost connect, bah |
| [02:30:13] | Beirdo: | ssh to a machine in your network, run screen on it, then ssh to the other machines in your network from there :) |
| [02:30:19] | alex777: | after transcoding, does the meta-info remain stored ? |
| [02:30:23] | Beirdo: | works great for me |
| [02:31:00] | dev: | thats alot of sshing |
| [02:31:12] | Beirdo: | meh :) |
| [02:31:38] | dev: | i need to find a bag of weed |
| [02:31:39] | dev: | hehe |
| [02:31:51] | alex777: | so, does the info stay stored ? |
| [02:31:58] | Beirdo: | go to the nearest police station, I'm sure they have a few bags |
| [02:32:00] | dev: | oh yeah woops, logs, should babble in another chan |
| [02:32:05] | dev: | haha :) |
| [02:32:17] | dev: | hey maybe i live somewhere where its legal! :) |
| [02:32:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:32:41] | Beirdo: | you're dreaming, but maybe so? |
| [02:32:46] | dev: | yeah i wish. |
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| [02:33:27] | Daluv: | I wonder why my tv guide is empty since mythfilldatabase has worked :( |
| [02:35:14] | Daluv: | anyone can give me some pointers? |
| [02:35:23] | alex777: | dev, after running nuvexport, does the information about the recordings stay ? |
| [02:35:31] | alex777: | like title, description etc |
| [02:35:35] | Daluv: | is there a debug mode I can use? |
| [02:35:41] | Beirdo: | nuvexport doesn't remove anything from the database |
| [02:36:18] | alex777: | because I ran nuvexport as mythtv user and it doesn't have access to write to . |
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| [02:36:45] | dev: | then you should run it in a directory where mythtv uid has write perms |
| [02:36:45] | Beirdo: | so make sure whoever you are running it as has write permissions in the output dir |
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| [02:36:59] | dev: | yeah! |
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| [02:37:14] | Daluv: | GuideGrid: You don't have any channels defined in the database <- ok uhm where I can defined that info? |
| [02:37:16] | Beirdo: | heya, xris |
| [02:37:19] | xris: | heya |
| [02:37:36] | Beirdo: | so... packed 3 cubic feet of books so far |
| [02:37:37] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:37:43] | xris: | heh |
| [02:37:44] | alex777: | and then copy them into the mythtv folder where it holds the recordings ? |
| [02:38:00] | Beirdo: | about 100 books |
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| [02:38:38] | Beirdo: | I think I'll start packing the stamp collection shortly too so I can bring it to Fedex/UPS |
| [02:41:14] | alex777: | does nuvexport take some time to start or something ? |
| [02:41:20] | alex777: | because it's not doing anything |
| [02:41:37] | xris: | alex777: it usually provides feedback |
| [02:42:01] | alex777: | yea, it's still at 0 out of 53820 frames |
| [02:42:13] | Daluv: | I do have some channel defined in 'select name from channel' |
| [02:42:23] | Daluv: | anyone can give me a hand with this? |
| [02:42:47] | alex777: | I selected the episodes of the show to encode, encode as divx, and I used the encode defaults |
| [02:43:58] | xris: | alex777: oh. in that case, it might be running... sometimes the programs it calls just don't give it feedback it understands |
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| [02:44:22] | Beirdo: | needed a small upgrade there :) |
| [02:44:29] | xris: | Beirdo: ? |
| [02:44:37] | Beirdo: | added more logging |
| [02:44:42] | xris: | oh, to the bot? |
| [02:44:46] | Beirdo: | so searches are logged now |
| [02:44:50] | dtm: | so i guess there's no way for mythtv to execute an external command upon recording huh |
| [02:44:55] | Beirdo: | in the system logs that is |
| [02:45:00] | dtm: | ooo maybe i could set a trigger in mysql ^_^ |
| [02:45:10] | Beirdo: | hmmm? |
| [02:45:11] | dtm: | lol |
| [02:45:17] | alex777: | xris is there a way to know if it's encoding ? |
| [02:45:19] | Beirdo: | there are user jobs you can use |
| [02:45:39] | xris: | alex777: ps axf | grep -A5 nuvexport |
| [02:45:55] | dtm: | Beirdo: to be set upon the start of recording, so i can set the recording resolution via a shell script? |
| [02:45:56] | alex777: | I see yuvdenoise taking up quite some cpu time |
| [02:46:01] | xris: | dtm: um, user jobs... |
| [02:46:02] | Beirdo: | oooh |
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| [02:46:05] | dtm: | Beirdo: i just need to execute one command. a wrapper script. |
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| [02:46:13] | Beirdo: | it's at the END of recording it runs them |
| [02:46:20] | dtm: | yeah that's waht i thought |
| [02:46:27] | Beirdo: | yeah, make a channel changing script |
| [02:46:32] | Beirdo: | and put it in there, maybe |
| [02:46:37] | xris: | alex777: then it's running |
| [02:46:38] | dtm: | in where? |
| [02:46:47] | Beirdo: | in a channel changing script |
| [02:46:48] | dtm: | Beirdo: where can i specify a channel changing script? |
| [02:46:50] | dtm: | i looked for that |
| [02:46:51] | alex777: | cool cool |
| [02:46:56] | dtm: | i must be blind. |
| [02:47:02] | Beirdo: | in mythtv-setup maybe? |
| [02:47:04] | Beirdo: | dunno |
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| [02:47:35] | dtm: | Beirdo: can i set the backend's settings by running mythtv-setup on the frontend host? i dont have X11 on the backend. |
| [02:47:49] | twisted_one: | hey guys whats the hotplug firmware directory on gentoo? /lib/firmware? |
| [02:48:01] | Beirdo: | well how did you set it up the first time, dtm? |
| [02:48:08] | dtm: | Beirdo: i had x11 then |
| [02:48:11] | Beirdo: | or set the DISPLAY and use remote X |
| [02:48:27] | xris: | dtm: X forwarding via ssh |
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| [02:48:30] | dtm: | Beirdo: and i ran it remotely. but i had to butcher up the OS since then to keep it on the 2GB local disk ^_^ |
| [02:48:31] | Beirdo: | X port forwarding over ssh should do it fine |
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| [02:50:35] | Beirdo: | hey, it's mofo |
| [02:50:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:50:55] | Beirdo: | how's the fine Michigan winter? |
| [02:51:22] | mofu: | nuvexport question: Is there a way to send the nuv and sql files to a different path?? |
| [02:51:27] | dtm: | i completely disabled xauth with 'xauth +' and it still says "Error: Can't open display: 10.1.1.220:0.0" :/ |
| [02:51:31] | dtm: | ridiculous |
| [02:51:44] | xris: | mofu: --path is covered in the nuvexportrc file |
| [02:51:45] | dtm: | mofu: you could symlink or you could run mythtv-setup |
| [02:51:52] | mofu: | Beirdo: not bad, was 70 on Monday, snowed this morning |
| [02:51:54] | dtm: | mofu: oh sorry i dont use nuvexport. |
| [02:52:05] | dev: | dtm: you may need to enable xfording in sshd_config |
| [02:52:11] | Beirdo: | mofu, sounds much like here in Toronto. suctacular week :) |
| [02:52:25] | dev: | xforwarding. shit my typeing blows today |
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| [02:52:38] | dtm: | dev: i can't do it apart from X11 forwarding |
| [02:52:51] | dtm: | dev: just raw X11 should work. |
| [02:52:51] | dev: | ooookkkk. |
| [02:53:00] | dtm: | either way fails |
| [02:53:37] | dev: | your x is probably not listening on a remote port |
| [02:53:39] | dev: | it doesnt by default. |
| [02:53:58] | dev: | most people use xforwarding over ssh. |
| [02:54:06] | dev: | its 'safer' |
| [02:54:24] | dtm: | X11Forwarding yes |
| [02:54:36] | dtm: | but it doesn't even set $DISPLAY automatically. |
| [02:54:58] | Beirdo: | ssh -X |
| [02:54:59] | dtm: | it's empty. and doesn't work when i set it. |
| [02:55:07] | dtm: | k |
| [02:55:14] | Beirdo: | aka man ssh :) |
| [02:55:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:55:22] | mofu: | xris: this stuff?? |
| [02:55:23] | mofu: | # |
| [02:55:23] | mofu: | # Default to export to the current directory |
| [02:55:23] | mofu: | # |
| [02:55:23] | mofu: | path = . |
| [02:55:26] | dtm: | yeah. i'm just perplexed that the defaults don't work anymore |
| [02:55:32] | xris: | mofu: yup |
| [02:55:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, they changed that default |
| [02:55:44] | mofu: | so the answer is NO?? |
| [02:55:46] | dtm: | Beirdo: oh ok that worked. ok i wasn't aware of that. that's recent. |
| [02:55:49] | dtm: | thanks |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | not a problem |
| [02:56:07] | dev: | you may run into trouble with -X, if you do, use -Y |
| [02:56:12] | dtm: | hehe ok |
| [02:56:12] | dev: | aka man ssh ;) |
| [02:56:14] | dtm: | xlogo works |
| [02:56:24] | xris: | mofu: huh? |
| [02:56:27] | Beirdo: | at least ssh has good man pages :) |
| [02:56:29] | dtm: | speaking of ye olde skule x11, i need xsnow! |
| [02:56:34] | Beirdo: | not like some crap |
| [02:56:40] | mofu: | my only choice will be to write the .nuv and .sql file to the same directory and then move one? |
| [02:56:44] | dtm: | Beirdo: it desperately needs them ;) |
| [02:56:50] | dtm: | if it didnt have them... bad things... |
| [02:56:59] | xris: | mofu: what are you trying to do? |
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| [02:57:58] | mofu: | xris: want to use nuvexport-nuvsql |
| [02:58:04] | xris: | yes, I gathered that |
| [02:58:14] | mofu: | does it create a new nuv file?? |
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| [02:59:11] | mofu: | a copy of the renamed file? what I really want is a symlink to the real nuv file |
| [02:59:16] | xris: | mofu: if you tell it to copy instead of move, yes |
| [02:59:25] | xris: | it's an exporter, not a symlinker |
| [02:59:42] | xris: | if it's on the same file system, it'll hard link. otherwise, it'll copy or move. |
| [02:59:43] | mofu: | understood |
| [03:00:04] | mofu: | hard link?? |
| [03:00:22] | xris: | hard link... same file, two links (looks like 2 files) |
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| [03:00:35] | mofu: | ok, thanks, should work |
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| [03:01:41] | mofu: | sorry, so for the hard link I want 'copy' not 'move' ??? |
| [03:01:51] | Daluv: | GuideGrid: You don't have any channels defined in the database <- ok uhm where I can defined that info? |
| [03:02:00] | xris: | mofu: yes. |
| [03:02:06] | mofu: | thanks |
| [03:02:08] | Daluv: | there is some channel in the DB damm it. |
| [03:02:10] | xris: | and if it takes more than half a second, you know it's not doing a hard link |
| [03:02:23] | xris: | mofu: why do you want symlinks, anyway? |
| [03:02:27] | mofu: | it a --copy switch? |
| [03:02:34] | mofu: | is it? |
| [03:02:54] | xris: | mofu: I don't think nuv_sql has any switches.. interactive only for now |
| [03:03:05] | mofu: | ok |
| [03:03:12] | Beirdo: | Daluv, you try restarting the backend? |
| [03:03:26] | xris: | ok.. basically, don't choose the "delete" option and it'll copu |
| [03:03:28] | xris: | copy |
| [03:03:30] | Daluv: | yep. |
| [03:03:36] | Daluv: | Beirdo: yes |
| [03:03:40] | Beirdo: | dunno then |
| [03:03:55] | Daluv: | mythfilldatabase run flawlessly .. |
| [03:04:22] | Daluv: | Beirdo: I so not have a capture card yet. Can it be the problem? |
| [03:04:54] | Daluv: | Beirdo: I dont understand how that channel mapping is done/working. |
| [03:04:58] | Beirdo: | uh, yeah, could be |
| [03:05:11] | Daluv: | Beirdo: The good channel are defined in the database... |
| [03:05:17] | mofu: | is nuvexport for 0.19 only now?? |
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| [03:06:33] | Beirdo: | Daluv, it won't work right until you have a tuner, I think |
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| [03:06:47] | [R]: | is there a "graceful" way to kill the backend and frontend? or is a regular SIGTERM ok? |
| [03:07:14] | mofu: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop |
| [03:07:30] | [R]: | that just sensd a kill |
| [03:07:31] | [R]: | and the frontend? |
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| [03:08:14] | Daluv: | Beirdo: ok thax.. hopefully it is in the mail ;) |
| [03:08:22] | Beirdo: | :) no prob |
| [03:08:26] | xris: | [R]: hit escape a bunch |
| [03:08:33] | [R]: | xris: w/o the kyeboard |
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| [03:08:50] | mofu: | you don't have an Esc key on your remote? |
| [03:08:54] | xris: | [R]: I use control-c all the time and haven't had issues. |
| [03:09:35] | mofu: | Loading MythTV recording info. |
| [03:09:35] | mofu: | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 67. |
| [03:09:35] | mofu: | No valid recordings found! |
| [03:09:39] | [R]: | mofu: this is all scripted |
| [03:09:54] | mofu: | what, life?? |
| [03:09:56] | mofu: | lol |
| [03:09:56] | [R]: | i'm rigging the power button to shut down the frontend and backend and than goto sleep |
| [03:11:40] | mofu: | just send a kill for the frontend |
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| [03:12:19] | mofu: | is it a suspend to memory thing . . . would it be better to keep it 'running' ?? |
| [03:12:51] | xris: | mofu: that's a warning, not an error |
| [03:13:09] | xris: | what version of nuvexport/mythtv are you using? |
| [03:13:41] | mofu: | xris: latest nuvexport, just downloaded, 0.18 on that box, seems ok on my 0.19 box |
| [03:13:57] | [R]: | mofu: it doesnt like it if X is still running, so it easier if i just kill everything |
| [03:13:58] | mofu: | 0.3 I think |
| [03:14:04] | xris: | odd. latest should tell you that you need to be running .19 |
| [03:14:22] | mofu: | not cvs, but latest tarball |
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| [03:14:31] | [R]: | mofu: what i'd really like is when the frontend starts it goes to livetv right away... but i can't figure it out |
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| [03:14:47] | xris: | mofu: svn is always the latest. the release numbers mean nothing other than coinciding with a mythtv release. |
| [03:14:55] | xris: | .3 doesn't work with .18 |
| [03:15:13] | mofu: | ok, probably going to upgrade that box to 0.19 soon |
| [03:15:57] | mofu: | [R]: can't you script a couple keystoke echo's to mythfrontend to start live tv? |
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| [03:16:17] | [R]: | mofu: how? |
| [03:17:01] | monkeyBox: | I'm confused.... My frontend is hooked up to a TV. My X server resolution is 720x480. My problem is this: How do I size the gui, but not have things (like fonts, etc..) look "squished"? |
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| [03:17:29] | mofu: | monkeyBox: use 640x480 |
| [03:18:01] | monkeyBox: | mofu, For some reason, my video card won't let me do anything other than 720x480... |
| [03:18:18] | monkeyBox: | (It's a via epia) |
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| [03:20:52] | mofu: | [R]: look into program 'expect' . . . never used it, but I think its what you need |
| [03:21:08] | [R]: | ok |
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| [03:30:50] | mofu: | xris: will I be able to run nuvexport-nuvsql without user intervention, scripted ?? |
| [03:31:08] | monkeyBox: | Is anyone here using a via epia-m ? |
| [03:31:12] | dev: | you can do that with anything cant ya? hehe |
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| [03:38:05] | [R]: | mofu: bingo, 0.19 has a port you can control the frontend with telnet, eching stuff into netcat connecting on the port does what i want |
| [03:38:31] | mofu: | yep, that would work too |
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| [03:46:10] | Xhavier_5478: | is someone here good with sound issues? |
| [03:48:18] | twisted_one: | hey guys, can you help me figure out where to put the firmware files for ivtv. I have tried the recommended find for firmware.agent and its not coming up with anything in /etc |
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| [03:48:37] | twisted_one: | I am running gentoo linux (2.6.15) and ivtv 0.4.3 |
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| [03:53:13] | sean33: | in the mythweb interface where it has recorded programs , the url on the image is wierd ie myth://192.168.1.15:6543/7_20060315142000.mpg |
| [03:53:34] | sean33: | anyclue why its like that ? |
| [03:54:58] | Cardoe: | sean33: that's the URL to streaming the video |
| [03:56:16] | sean33: | do i need to setup some special assocation on a windows machine so that i can view the video ? |
| [03:56:37] | sean33: | thus the myth:// would open some app ? |
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| [03:57:44] | sean33: | i thought i may have some configuration wrong |
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| [03:57:53] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: can you help me with finding the correct location of the firmware? |
| [03:57:57] | sean33: | but that kinda makes sence |
| [03:58:28] | twisted_one: | I dont know where to put hte files for my dist. I feel like an idiot here but I am not finding anything |
| [03:58:51] | Anduin: | sean33 – You can adjust it as video_url in conf.php. |
| [03:59:49] | sean33: | arr thanks |
| [04:00:45] | Xhavier_5478: | does anyone know a setting to make change to make a Win TV go card record in stereo? |
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| [04:01:46] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [04:02:12] | squish102: | Xhavier_5478 how is your sound in general. i have one of those cards and gave up and bought a pvr 150 |
| [04:02:16] | Beirdo: | now capable of doing a debugging log too. just doesn't by default |
| [04:03:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris, if you want to test a fix for that transcode issue, edit avformatdecoder.cpp and go to line 790 (a few lines below the call to ScanStreams(novideo); and add a call to: AutoSelectAudioTrack(); Daniel took that out in [9291]. That seems to fix it here. If it works for you I'll commit it in a while. have to go away from keyboard again. :( |
| [04:03:32] | Xhavier_5478: | well i was running the Win TV go on Knoppmyth for awhile and it recorded in stereo, i just went back to FC4 and the recordings are only in mono now |
| [04:04:16] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: after the if (!recordingHasPositionMap){ ? |
| [04:04:32] | Xhavier_5478: | squish102 when I find a good deal on a PVR-150 i'll upgrade |
| [04:04:47] | squish102: | Xhavier_5478 got mine for $60 |
| [04:04:59] | squish102: | best $60 i have *EVER* spent |
| [04:05:23] | Xhavier_5478: | squish102 right now $60 bucks is going to a new front wheel bearing |
| [04:05:31] | Xhavier_5478: | but thats neither here nor there |
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| [04:05:44] | sean33: | what would you suggest i change .. define('video_url', 'myth://slave_backend_ip:6543'); <- ? |
| [04:06:11] | Anduin: | sean33 – There are some examples commented out about that, depends on what you want to do. |
| [04:06:12] | sean33: | to define('video_url', 'http://slave_backend_ip:6543'); ? |
| [04:06:54] | sean33: | yea thats a good question ... umm what do i want to do ? |
| [04:07:37] | Anduin: | sean33 – No clue. I change it to the file one and point it to an SMB share so I can avoid installing the DX filter stuff that is out there. |
| [04:07:38] | Xhavier_5478: | squish102 do you have any idea where i could look for the audio setting to get it recording in stereo? |
| [04:08:19] | sean33: | i guess click on it and view the movie would be good |
| [04:08:20] | squish102: | Xhavier_5478 i never got it working with FC4 at all.. let me look at some of my bookmarks |
| [04:08:27] | Xhavier_5478: | ok |
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| [04:09:37] | squish102: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . hiss;#165241 < maybe some... still looking |
| [04:10:04] | ericmoritz : | for some reason I thought mythmusic can burn cds, am I completely mistaken about that? |
| [04:10:37] | sean33: | Anduin , Dx filter stuff ? |
| [04:13:10] | squish102: | Xhavier_5478 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eadtek;#5095 < a diff card but something on stereo... that is after checking all my bookmarks |
| [04:13:51] | Xhavier_5478: | squish102 thanks much, i've been doing some searching of my own in the mailing threads |
| [04:14:29] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: what's the issue? |
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| [04:15:45] | Anduin: | sean33 – Somewhere out there someone has Windows filters that understand myth://, I don't use them (more stuff to update, hard if you follow SVN) |
| [04:18:05] | Xhavier_5478: | I use the Dsmyth filters |
| [04:18:13] | twisted_one: | Just cannot figure out where to put my firmware files with gentoo |
| [04:18:23] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: emerge ivtv |
| [04:18:52] | Xhavier_5478: | http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/ |
| [04:19:03] | twisted_one: | I am building from source, do you recommend against it? |
| [04:19:19] | Cardoe: | WHY? |
| [04:19:28] | Cardoe: | If you can't figure something out |
| [04:19:30] | Cardoe: | there's an ebuild for it |
| [04:19:35] | Cardoe: | why are you building from source? |
| [04:19:53] | twisted_one: | I guess you're right, I just wanted to learn as I go. |
| [04:20:15] | squish102: | question for someone that is more familiar with mythtv: i record to mpeg2 with a pvr150. then i use nuvexport to convert it to a good name and smaller. can i use that auto-transcode feature to convert to xvid on some recordings automatically and the user jobs to copy the file with a better name to a different directory? |
| [04:20:17] | Cardoe: | learn what? |
| [04:20:29] | twisted_one: | anything and everything, how my system works |
| [04:22:44] | Cardoe: | look up how to build kernel modules from outside the kernel sources |
| [04:22:53] | Cardoe: | its not a simple "make" |
| [04:22:56] | Cardoe: | to do it properly |
| [04:23:31] | twisted_one: | well at this point I just want to get it working, been a long stressful day at work so I'll learn later =P |
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| [04:31:00] | Yellow-Snow: | arg i cant find the video covers folder |
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| [04:31:48] | Beirdo: | muhahha, and added SIGUSR1 to toggle debug logging |
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| [04:34:11] | Yellow-Snow: | where are the covers located? |
| [04:34:28] | Yellow-Snow: | nm |
| [04:36:40] | in8: | I have my tv setup on an mx4000 as display :0.1 (without xinerama) but when I watch tv the screen is blue with proper audio and I can change channels, but if its on the monitor it just works... weird eh?? |
| [04:37:18] | in8: | anyone know why this would be? |
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| [04:42:46] | Beirdo: | in8, most cards will only do overlay on their primary display |
| [04:43:10] | Beirdo: | if that's set to your monitor, Xv may not be able to overlay onto the TV |
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| [04:45:27] | sean33: | how hard is adding a second pvr-150 to a machine already opperating with one in it ? |
| [04:45:36] | Anduin: | not |
| [04:46:25] | sean33: | do i need to add more modprobe stuff or will it just pick up two instances ? |
| [04:47:57] | Anduin: | sean33 – Exactly what needs to be done depends, but generally, yes, a quick mod there and configure it in myth, done. |
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| [04:49:48] | sean33: | ok well i think i will give it a go ... see what horrible things happen |
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| [04:58:36] | roger: | I'm seeing an option within mythtranscode/Makefile.standlone to enable ogg/vorbis. Anybody have any experience with mythtranscode & ogg/vorbis? |
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| [06:47:22] | [R]: | is there a way to search for a show by name and than tune into it if its on now? |
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| [06:59:52] | ftp4: | hey.. I am trying to get this running on ubuntu and I am following the docs here: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html <- I followed perfectly but at the mpg test part I get: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=603085 |
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| [07:05:26] | Anduin: | ftp4 – and? |
| [07:05:39] | Anduin: | It can't open the X display. |
| [07:05:54] | Anduin: | Probably because there isn't one, or it doesn't know about it. |
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| [07:13:47] | ** xris really needs to remember to disable the opengl acceleration on his svn compiles. ** | |
| [07:14:13] | Anduin: | Just never use the menus, simple. |
| [07:14:20] | xris: | heh |
| [07:14:48] | xris: | beautiful transitions on my 64bit system w/nvidia... not so hot on the SiS pundit |
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| [07:15:33] | opello: | i'm trying this xgl thing on kororaa, and it's pretty snazzy |
| [07:16:03] | opello: | makes me want to make the desktop a dual boot, heh |
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| [08:00:46] | ftp4: | anduin.. I dont understand why there is not an x display. I am following the directions exactly |
| [08:01:53] | Anduin: | ftp4 – -vo aa results in? |
| [08:02:44] | ftp4: | uhhh.. i dont know how to describe it.. i think it played |
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| [08:03:23] | Anduin: | ftp4 – as you in an xterm? |
| [08:03:49] | ftp4: | i just opened a terminal |
| [08:04:14] | Anduin: | and the mplayer command doesn't work there? |
| [08:04:36] | Anduin: | (I'm assuming opening a terminal isn't ala Alt-Fsomething) |
| [08:07:04] | ftp4: | well, when i just did the -aa it displayed some stuff |
| [08:07:36] | Anduin: | Yes, but if you weren't in an xterm then your previous error would make sense. |
| [08:08:41] | Anduin: | The only thing on that guide up to that point that would require X is gedit way back in 2. |
| [08:09:35] | ftp4: | ok, so should i keep going with the guide or do I have something broke? |
| [08:10:00] | Anduin: | are you in X? |
| [08:10:04] | Anduin: | does it still fail? |
| [08:10:29] | Anduin: | really if your .mpg file has a size things are working ok enough to go to other steps probably |
| [08:11:04] | ftp4: | ok, i guess i am really dumb, because I thought that clicking on terminal from the GUI was not being in X.. |
| [08:11:39] | Anduin: | It is, mplayer -vo xv should work from there, I was just trying to make sure. |
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| [08:12:21] | ftp4: | what was that aa flag you had me do? cuz that worked |
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| [08:13:04] | Anduin: | ascii art |
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| [08:14:05] | ftp4: | ohhhh.. weird.. so i wonder why that would work |
| [08:14:38] | Anduin: | It doesn't require XV, you should run xdpyinfo and check that you have support. |
| [08:15:37] | ftp4: | i just typed xdpyinfo and it says "unable to open display "". |
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| [08:22:37] | ftp4: | anduin, does that tell me something i need to fix? |
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| [08:27:19] | Anduin: | ftp4 – You need to fix something, I don't know what, try "export DISPLAY=:0" in that term and try again. |
| [08:28:45] | ftp4: | ok, that returned a bunch of info now |
| [08:29:03] | Anduin: | do the mplayer thing now |
| [08:29:45] | ftp4: | yeah, it worked.. heh.. cool |
| [08:29:58] | ftp4: | thanks |
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| [08:38:43] | ftp4: | when running "mythfilldatabase" it connects, grabs listings, then says "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)" |
| [08:38:50] | ftp4: | then says Connection timed out |
| [08:39:04] | ftp4: | then says I should modify the Master server settings |
| [08:39:30] | ftp4: | what IP should I be setting? The internal IP (192.168) or ? |
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| [08:47:10] | dtm: | where do i configure a channel changing script? |
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| [08:54:10] | dtm: | haha it takes 427mins (about 7 hrs) to compile mythtv 0.19 with -O2 on my 233 MHz G3. |
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| [08:56:03] | danieldk_: | Hi guys is there a .19 fixes branch of mythtv and where can i find it? |
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| [09:45:14] | Merlin83b2: | Morning folks |
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| [09:46:31] | maqe: | i am about to order a new dvb-t card, can anyone recommend a brand? I have a twinhan dvb-t right know but i want dual tuners and my twinhan card has problem with low signal. |
| [09:47:20] | maqe: | im running .19 of myth |
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| [09:47:44] | pjn: | my first twinhan always gets good reception, the second one seems to have a problem with the signal it gets |
| [09:48:25] | pjn: | apparently the dvico ones are ok according to a friend of mine |
| [09:48:42] | pjn: | can anybody suggest the magic sql to flip the part about automatic transcoding on all scheduled recordings in mythtv 0.19 |
| [09:49:27] | maqe: | my card is about 3 years old, it seems like the newer card is better |
| [09:49:43] | maqe: | Nova-T seems like a good choice i think |
| [09:50:32] | maqe: | pjn: do you have dvb-t card from twinhan? |
| [09:50:33] | ip_goat_rodeo: | must be nice to have multiple cards to choose from |
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| [09:50:56] | ip_goat_rodeo: | there's still not a SINGLE isdb-t card that's supported |
| [09:52:09] | pjn: | I've got two twinhan dvb-t cards |
| [09:52:31] | maqe: | pjn: any problems with myth .19 release and live tv? |
| [09:52:34] | stuarta: | what's an isdb-t card? |
| [09:52:57] | ip_goat_rodeo: | japanese hdtv terrestial standard |
| [09:53:22] | stuarta: | that'll be why I've never heard of it before. |
| [09:53:32] | maqe: | pjn: my frontend freezes while watching live tv and sometimes seg fault |
| [09:54:19] | pjn: | I rarely watch livetv through the frontend |
| [09:54:40] | pjn: | the recordings can get royally screwed though when the card loses reception |
| [09:54:58] | Merlin83b2: | stuarta: Do you know of anyone else having the no file creation issue? |
| [09:55:12] | stuarta: | not at the moment |
| [09:55:28] | maqe: | pjn: okay, it is very strange with live tv. when a new program is started the frontend freezes |
| [09:56:43] | Merlin83b2: | stuarta: I've narrowed it down (possibly, seems so at the moment) to just one of my tuners. Since I played with hardware at about the timem this started, I think I'll remove it from mythtv-setup and try readding it. |
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| [09:57:27] | stuarta: | might be worth a try, i'd keep a backup of your db first. |
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| [09:58:22] | Merlin83b2: | Good plan. |
| [09:58:31] | Merlin83b2: | Can't try it until this evening but will give it a go then. |
| [09:59:36] | Merlin83b2: | It would be helpful in diagnosing this if the recording somehow said which tuner has been used :-) |
| [09:59:51] | stuarta: | I say that, cause we haven't unravelled dvb scanning issues yet. |
| [10:00:03] | stuarta: | Not in the recorded table is it? |
| [10:00:07] | in8: | can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? when I start "mythfrontend -display :0.1" I get myth on my tv but when I go to watch tv I get a blue screen with audio and I just figgured this out tonight if I start an xterm on the tv and run just "mythfrontend" everything is fine |
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| [10:01:07] | stuarta: | in8: try DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [10:01:55] | Merlin83b2: | It isn't stored anywhere, stuarta. |
| [10:02:03] | Merlin83b2: | Or wasn't last time I checked anyway. |
| [10:02:22] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: didn't think it was, should be in the BE logs though |
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| [10:02:29] | in8: | wow!! thanks... that did the trick.... |
| [10:02:51] | ** stuarta has a vague idea why that worked... ** | |
| [10:03:08] | in8: | stuarta: thanks a bunch |
| [10:03:14] | stuarta: | np |
| [10:03:20] | Merlin83b2: | Ah, BE logs, good point. |
| [10:03:42] | stuarta: | look for the cryptic HW 1->1 or similar |
| [10:04:23] | in8: | I wonder if mythfrontend isn't passing the display to its helpers |
| [10:04:51] | Merlin83b2: | stuarta: Yep, I've become very familiar with that message in trying to work this one out :-) |
| [10:04:57] | stuarta: | actually HW Tuner: 1-> 1 |
| [10:05:30] | stuarta: | in8: I suspect it is in the way it picks up the capabilities of the display |
| [10:06:36] | in8: | ahhh well what ever it is you've saved me many frey hairs..... |
| [10:06:42] | in8: | err grey |
| [10:06:46] | stuarta: | blue screen is, I think, a symptom of XVideo not working properly |
| [10:06:54] | in8: | freyed too i suppose |
| [10:07:02] | stuarta: | or lack of |
| [10:07:17] | in8: | wife causes that.... |
| [10:10:54] | in8: | I finally found a myth based distro I liked.... mythdora not too happy with fedora, but an easier install of myth than on debian (more complete) with its dependancy hell with this package |
| [10:12:37] | pjn: | "so my mum works at hooters, her dream is to go to vegas and work in a real strip club" |
| [10:14:07] | in8: | thanks agian stauarta... and good night... |
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| [10:15:36] | Cougar: | is it possible to load flagged commercial cutpoints so that I can seek between them in edit mode but they don't change rages of already marked cutpoints. I'd just like to get list of something like jumppoints |
| [10:18:58] | Cougar: | I get a lot of false positives from commercial detection and should always manually edit the cutpoints |
| [10:19:16] | stuarta: | z loads what it finds. |
| [10:19:25] | Cougar: | yes I know |
| [10:19:34] | stuarta: | thought you would :) |
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| [10:20:01] | stuarta: | morning Juski |
| [10:20:01] | Cougar: | then I select jump amount to 'cutpoint' and start removing cutpoints inside commercial breaks |
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| [10:20:15] | Juski: | morning stuarta |
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| [10:20:45] | Juski: | that reminds me – must turn off commflagging again |
| [10:21:46] | Cougar: | just found yesderday that there are flases inside CSI program and commflagging marked all these as like 1 sed commercials ;-) |
| [10:22:42] | phar0e: | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa computers are frustrating, I wish they didn't exist |
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| [10:23:23] | Juski: | apparently 'invasion' was commflagged but even its fades to black weren't marked – I'd expect to at least get false positives |
| [10:25:16] | Cougar: | it would be nice to get something like jumppoints and set cutlist manually based on this list |
| [10:28:34] | Juski: | yeah well, what commflagging is doing is very complicated so there's bound to be teething issues with different broadcast 'styles' |
| [10:32:43] | stuarta: | teething issues? Firetrucked comes to mind. |
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| [10:35:25] | mac^: | hi |
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| [10:36:04] | mac^: | Having trouble compiling mythtv – getting "undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'" – however, the xvmc debian dev libs are installed. Any clues? |
| [10:36:58] | pjn: | apt-get build-dep mythtv? |
| [10:37:08] | pjn: | (no, I don't have any other clues) |
| [10:37:21] | mac^: | Does that include xvmc support? |
| [10:37:27] | stuarta: | do you actually have a card that supports xmvc |
| [10:37:58] | mac^: | stuarta: I have a via chipset, and xmvc vld support is what I need/want for fast video playback/encode |
| [10:39:38] | Juski: | mac^: by that do you mean a Via EPIA board, or just some motherboard with a Via chipset? |
| [10:39:45] | mac^: | Juski: exactly. |
| [10:39:49] | Juski: | exactly what? |
| [10:40:06] | Juski: | a Via EPIA board? |
| [10:40:08] | mac^: | A via EPIA board, and a fanless 1ghz Nehemiah cpu |
| [10:40:47] | Juski: | the 1ghz ones are hardly fanless though (but mine is with a larger heatsink on board) |
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| [10:41:04] | mac^: | Well.. it doesn't have a fan.. .. anyways :) |
| [10:41:25] | Merlin83b2: | Mine is 1GHz and fanless :-) |
| [10:41:25] | mac^: | Do I need some sort of kernel module enabled for xmvc to work? Maybe that is where the error is orginating from |
| [10:41:26] | Juski: | it's either not 1Ghz or you're gonna hurt it |
| [10:41:38] | mac^: | model name : VIA Nehemiah |
| [10:41:38] | mac^: | stepping : 8 |
| [10:41:38] | mac^: | cpu MHz : 1002.316 |
| [10:41:39] | mac^: | :) |
| [10:41:39] | Merlin83b2: | Morning Juski. |
| [10:41:50] | mac^: | Runs fine |
| [10:41:52] | Juski: | I think you're gonna need the Via xvmc libraries |
| [10:41:57] | Juski: | hiya Merlin83b2 |
| [10:42:17] | mac^: | Juski: I thought I installed them via debian.. Do you have the link for the source packages? |
| [10:43:00] | mac^: | (I would still prefer precompiled packages though) |
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| [10:43:16] | Juski: | I don't have a link to the source but surely they can be found at openchrome.sourceforge.net |
| [10:44:14] | mac^: | actually |
| [10:44:17] | mac^: | Found deb packages, I think |
| [10:44:17] | mac^: | :) |
| [10:44:47] | Juski: | yes but to compile myth from source you'll need the Via XvMC source won't you? |
| [10:44:59] | mac^: | It has dev packages too |
| [10:45:14] | Juski: | well, good luck with that. I heard it can be a bitch |
| [10:45:18] | mac^: | Thanks |
| [10:45:20] | mac^: | I'll try |
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| [10:46:29] | greg__: | mac^ all the precompiled binaries i've seen for deb and ubuntu have via xvmc NOT compiled in |
| [10:46:31] | greg__: | unfortunately |
| [10:46:51] | greg__: | i built mine on ubuntu, apt-get source mythtv |
| [10:46:56] | greg__: | then apt-get builddeps (sp?) mythtv |
| [10:47:01] | greg__: | then edit debian/rules |
| [10:47:16] | greg__: | and change the configure line to include --enable-xvmc --enable-via-xvmc (or whatever exactly they're called) |
| [10:47:27] | greg__: | then the rebuild cmd which i never remember and always have to google |
| [10:47:37] | pjn: | debian/rules binary |
| [10:48:06] | greg__: | hmm, :) ok, i'd swear i use a longer one than that. but that's a bit more memorable :) |
| [10:49:04] | greg__: | ahh , "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" after installing the fakeroot package |
| [10:49:10] | mac^: | greg__: hmm |
| [10:49:32] | mac^: | well, the package I just tried doesnt solve my problem anyways |
| [10:49:46] | Juski: | wow. that looks like a whole bunch of fun. I'm glad I just use minimyth for my frontend |
| [10:50:15] | greg__: | heh Juski and thats just myth. i had to replace xfree with xorg on debian |
| [10:50:18] | greg__: | to get xvmc support |
| [10:50:22] | greg__: | oh yeah, there's a thought mac^ |
| [10:50:27] | greg__: | you need the openchrome via drivers |
| [10:50:30] | mac^: | greg__: can I pm you? |
| [10:50:32] | greg__: | which i think need xorg not xfree |
| [10:50:40] | mac^: | Ahh, I have xfree currently installed |
| [10:50:40] | Juski: | xfree... jees is that not deprecated _yet_? ;-) |
| [10:50:43] | greg__: | yep, i'm in work though so response time will be a bit bursty :) |
| [10:50:47] | mac^: | iam too :) |
| [10:50:56] | greg__: | mac^ unless you're addicted to debian i'd honestly try using ubuntu for mythtv |
| [10:51:07] | greg__: | i use debian myself for desktops/servers, but xfree is a bit fucking old |
| [10:51:12] | mac^: | I would prefer not to reinstall the box |
| [10:51:22] | greg__: | ahh if it's not a new system then fair enough |
| [10:51:28] | pjn: | Juski: it's in debian stable, it'll still be there until the next release in 2008! |
| [10:51:45] | Juski: | if it's just a frontend, configure a PXE server & use minimyth ;-) |
| [10:51:50] | Juski: | (take the easy way out) |
| [10:52:02] | mac^: | it'll be a backend too |
| [10:52:52] | mac^: | got my pm? |
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| [10:54:18] | Juski: | I did some sums this morning. someone was asking whether a system could cope with a pvr500 and an HDTV tuner in the same system. I always thought it'd be okay, but after working out 18Mbps + 9mbps + 9mbps it came out more than the alleged max bandwidth of a 33Mhz PCI bus.. yet I suspect people have systems based on that & can record with all their cards without problems |
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| [10:54:22] | greg__: | yep mac^, not got my reply? |
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| [10:54:30] | mac^: | no, you probably have to register your nick |
| [10:54:31] | mac^: | before sending pms |
| [10:54:43] | mac^: | I just did that too |
| [10:54:57] | greg__: | ahh yeah i'll swap nicks if i can remember what i'm reged as |
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| [10:56:50] | qu0zl: | there we go :) |
| [10:58:42] | pjn: | greg is easier on the eyes :) |
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| [11:06:57] | qu0zl: | :P |
| [11:07:10] | qu0zl: | why thank you, easier on the eyes than Juski? |
| [11:07:11] | qu0zl: | :)) |
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| [11:11:52] | Juski: | uck foo, qu0zl |
| [11:12:17] | Juski: | and people wonder why I'm so angry all the time... pfft |
| [11:21:02] | qu0zl: | :)) |
| [11:23:51] | Juski: | I'm starting to think that being antisocial is what the mythtv community & linux in general is about. I actually enjoy it now |
| [11:24:47] | Merlin83b2: | Juski the misanthropist. |
| [11:25:00] | phar0e: | woah |
| [11:25:12] | phar0e: | keep the words in here at a max of 6 characters, thanks |
| [11:25:20] | Juski: | lol |
| [11:25:21] | Merlin83b2: | You failed already. |
| [11:25:44] | Juski: | or keep all the words monosyllabic like the rest of IRC |
| [11:26:05] | phar0e: | just dont make my head hurt with big words |
| [11:26:06] | Juski: | help! broke! |
| [11:26:45] | stuarta: | what happen s when everyt hing goes titsup ? |
| [11:27:02] | phar0e: | titsup, lol use more of those |
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| [11:31:01] | Juski: | titsup.. is that like katsup only better tasting? |
| [11:31:33] | ** stuarta starts dreaming of t*ts ** | |
| [11:31:56] | gardengnome: | o_o |
| [11:32:09] | gardengnome: | i should stop using lame smilies |
| [11:32:37] | Juski: | I should stop using the internet. oh the humanity |
| [11:34:08] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [11:34:14] | stuarta: | maybe it's a new flavour of soup |
| [11:36:11] | gardengnome: | hmm, soup *drool* |
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| [12:30:31] | Juski: | heh. the fallout from me withdrawing my themes has started |
| [12:31:53] | ** mac^ decided to install ubuntu and scrap debian ** | |
| [12:34:07] | Juski: | probably for the best. changing from xfree86 to xorg would be a hassle |
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| [12:36:31] | mac^: | It is |
| [12:40:34] | qu0zl: | i hadn;t tried them yet Juski, was on my to-do list |
| [12:40:38] | qu0zl: | damn you :P |
| [12:41:30] | Juski: | que sera etc etc |
| [12:41:31] | Juski: | :-P |
| [12:41:51] | Juski: | too many people biting the hand that feeds |
| [12:42:02] | Juski: | they get stuff for free & whine about it. unappreciative bastards |
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| [12:42:36] | Juski: | heh. just aswell the mythtv devs aren't as touchy as me eh |
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| [12:43:37] | qu0zl: | :) |
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| [13:17:27] | maqe: | if i should buy a nove-t card should it be this http://www.komplett.se/mlf/produkt/bilder/cds/I335884.jpg or this http://www.hauppauge.nu/images/data_novat_90002.jpg |
| [13:17:50] | maqe: | wich one is the newest? |
| [13:18:23] | maqe: | if anyone knows :) |
| [13:18:29] | Juski: | judging by recent lusers mailing list posts you shouldn't buy a nova-t at all |
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| [13:19:11] | Juski: | tuning problems, not in linux but in mythtv itself |
| [13:19:55] | stuarta: | the driver has some buglets |
| [13:20:06] | maqe: | Juski: Hm okay, im looking for a stable card with less sensity for bad signal then my twinhan card |
| [13:20:31] | Juski: | that's a grey area then |
| [13:20:51] | Juski: | nobody publishes sensitivity specs |
| [13:21:00] | ** armand is away, idle 666 minutes [lp] ** | |
| [13:21:17] | maqe: | hehe |
| [13:21:33] | maqe: | if i look at my frontend log now i get alot of this errors |
| [13:21:35] | maqe: | 2006-03–15 14:21:58.282 Ignoring livetv eof in decoder loop |
| [13:21:52] | stuarta: | that's a new one |
| [13:22:18] | Juski: | maybe nothing to do with the card |
| [13:22:55] | Juski: | bad signals are usually stuff like ac(tex) damaged... |
| [13:22:56] | maqe: | hm okay, the live tv work pretty nice but freezes after an hour of watching |
| [13:23:31] | Juski: | wouldn't that be the show boundaries bug? end of one show in livetv freezes it? |
| [13:23:51] | Juski: | try 0.19-fixes |
| [13:24:15] | maqe: | yes i think it happens in between programs |
| [13:24:18] | Juski: | for which there are no binaries available yet, but will be 'soon' presumably |
| [13:24:26] | Juski: | AFAIK |
| [13:24:49] | Juski: | that's a widely reported bug & nothing to do with your tuner |
| [13:25:24] | maqe: | Okay, maybe its just a bug then :) |
| [13:25:28] | Juski: | anyway I have to attend a meeting & send a rep away with a flew in his ear |
| [13:25:31] | Juski: | *flea |
| [13:26:15] | maqe: | is it possible to download the svn to get a hand on the fixes for .19? |
| [13:27:15] | Juski: | course it is |
| [13:27:23] | stuarta: | just checkout the fixes branch |
| [13:27:44] | maqe: | yeah okay i see |
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| [13:36:44] | maqe: | Juski: what about this error then 2006-03–15 14:32:37.334 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. 7 AuAAALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| [13:38:08] | maqe: | is it bad reception you think? |
| [13:40:07] | stuarta: | yes, it's saying that almost all it's buffers are available & waiting for data |
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| [13:41:34] | maqe: | okay |
| [13:42:09] | stuarta: | there are a few reasons this happens, and bad reception would contribute |
| [13:42:54] | maqe: | im running the .19 release, could the fixes for .19 fix this problem you think? |
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| [13:44:44] | maqe: | it seems like my frontend has crashed now becuase of the errors |
| [13:46:03] | stuarta: | there have been a few fixes go into 0.19.fixes, though not sure exactly what they put in |
| [13:47:11] | maqe: | Ok, i will try it out |
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| [14:04:53] | Juski: | course upgrading your aerial & coax is always the best way to get good reception. might cost you a little bit but it's worth it |
| [14:07:19] | maqe: | Juski: i have a great indoor antenna because im not allowed to have an outdoor antenna for my landlord |
| [14:07:42] | maqe: | but my cables and position of my antenna maybe |
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| [14:47:59] | Juski: | heh. 'great' and 'indoor' are 2 words that never apply to aerials in my experience |
| [14:51:02] | phar0e: | get some rest Juski , you have a big day ahead of you tomorrow |
| [14:51:19] | Juski: | maybe you could improve the screening of your PC case. You'll notice if you get an FM radio & tune it between stations, how much RF noise a PC makes. the source of interference could even be the computer itself ;-) |
| [14:51:23] | Juski: | what? |
| [14:54:28] | Juski: | pardon my ass for trying to be helpful ;-) |
| [14:56:21] | ** stuarta pardons Juski's donkey ** | |
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| [15:19:01] | maqe: | when i run configure i get DVD Playback no even if i have --enable-dvd? what can be wrong? |
| [15:22:39] | maqe: | i assume that i dont have libdvdnav |
| [15:23:40] | maqe: | im about to install mythtv .19 fixes and but when i installed .19 release i dont think i got this message |
| [15:23:54] | maqe: | and i can play dvds :) |
| [15:25:01] | maqe: | is this requiered? |
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| [15:29:54] | maqe: | anyone? |
| [15:31:57] | ** stuarta falls asleep ** | |
| [15:33:35] | Juski: | I just use xine – does the job nicely |
| [15:33:59] | maqe: | ahh okay me too, i just wondered |
| [15:34:15] | stuarta: | the internal dvd player is undergoing *work* |
| [15:34:59] | Juski: | I think it's fair to say most of mythtv is undergoing work ;-) |
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| [15:35:20] | stuarta: | that's fair to say :) |
| [15:36:06] | maqe: | hehe |
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| [15:50:37] | Cardoe: | maqe: libdts |
| [15:50:55] | Juski: | ahh libdts.. the proverbial rocking horse droppings |
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| [15:53:45] | ** Juski wonders how libdca/libdts is getting on with their legal shennanigans ** | |
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| [15:58:06] | stuarta: | badly one would suspect |
| [15:59:50] | Juski: | yeh it's been dragging on for a while |
| [16:00:34] | stuarta: | i'm guessing they are on squishy ground |
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| [16:08:33] | Juski: | that's sucky. not that there's much we can do sitting here |
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| [16:49:01] | beige: | Hi, I need some help getting the backend (and the frontend for that matter) to connect to my mysql server properly. I've got mysql up and running, and the frontend can access it if I change the username, but the backend insists on using the user "mythtv" which fails. |
| [16:49:56] | Juski: | the mysql.txt file is where you specify the username & password mythtv uses to log into mysql |
| [16:50:29] | Juski: | or you can just create a mysql user with the right privileges, as instructed by the mythtv FM |
| [16:56:59] | beige: | the instructions for granting the user additional privilages are in the documentation, but not ones for how to create the user account in the first place (and mysql's documentation for that sucks) |
| [16:57:45] | stuarta: | you are confusing the unix account & the mysql user |
| [16:58:04] | beige: | no... no I am not |
| [16:58:17] | stuarta: | how difficult is 'useradd mythtv'? |
| [16:58:46] | Juski: | check jarod wilson's guide... he covers the mysql user creation subject, as do many other howto guides |
| [16:58:53] | qu0zl: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html |
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| [16:59:17] | qu0zl: | first hit from google there, covers adding users to mysql. i never remember how to do it myself but easily googled |
| [16:59:48] | ** stuarta is having a Juski moment. ** | |
| [17:01:28] | qu0zl: | GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'some_pass'; |
| [17:01:29] | Juski: | lol |
| [17:01:31] | qu0zl: | might be what you need |
| [17:01:59] | qu0zl: | except minus type typo, so 'mythtv'@'localhost' |
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| [17:07:54] | beige: | well... using that syntax minus the uppercase (finally worked) |
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| [17:08:09] | Juski: | thanks! |
| [17:08:55] | gardengnome: | :/ |
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| [17:13:45] | chacon: | hello all |
| [17:13:51] | chacon: | i need some help |
| [17:14:06] | ** Juski passes chacon the bottle ** | |
| [17:14:22] | chacon: | i have mythtv up and running but when try to connect a remote frontend i get this |
| [17:14:25] | chacon: | 2006-03–15 08:08:57.654 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking. |
| [17:14:27] | chacon: | 2006-03–15 08:08:57.668 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema, exiting. |
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| [17:14:56] | Juski: | did you initialise the database? |
| [17:15:09] | chacon: | ? |
| [17:15:32] | Juski: | you know.. import the blank database (mc.sql) ? |
| [17:15:40] | chacon: | .... |
| [17:15:51] | chacon: | mythtv is up and running and recording.. |
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| [17:16:00] | Anduin: | chacon – Did the backend win? |
| [17:16:08] | chacon: | shouldnt that mean that the database "has" been init'ed |
| [17:16:22] | chacon: | hold on ...lemme explain |
| [17:16:23] | chacon: | ok |
| [17:16:30] | laga: | chacon: please add some more sarcasm |
| [17:16:40] | Juski: | ah maybe the versions of mythtv are different |
| [17:16:50] | ** chacon tried that too ** | |
| [17:16:54] | chacon: | 18.1 |
| [17:16:57] | Juski: | you have to make sure all the frontends & backends are exactly the same version |
| [17:17:00] | chacon: | yup |
| [17:17:05] | Juski: | 18.1 isn't supported anymore |
| [17:17:36] | chacon: | i looked at all the possible problems.. |
| [17:17:47] | chacon: | all the ones you all suggested/brought up |
| [17:17:52] | chacon: | and nothing. |
| [17:17:58] | Juski: | try mythfrontend --version on every box |
| [17:18:03] | Juski: | make sure they all agree |
| [17:18:23] | chacon: | ok |
| [17:18:26] | chacon: | lemme check |
| [17:18:45] | Juski: | or maybe the remote frontend couldn't connect to the DB.. check your mysql config to make sure it's not just bound to local |
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| [17:22:46] | __rkulagow: | xris: here? |
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| [17:25:29] | chacon: | ok... all version 18.1 |
| [17:26:22] | __rkulagow: | xris: i'm getting a ffmpeg unknown option -mv4 when i export xvid using svn nuvexport; is there a new minimum ffmepg version? |
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| [17:26:31] | chacon: | full error.. is 2006-03–15 09:25:55.932 Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database |
| [17:26:34] | chacon: | already has 69 tables. |
| [17:26:37] | chacon: | If you are sure this is a good mythtv database, verify |
| [17:26:39] | chacon: | that the settings table has the DBSchemaVer variable. |
| [17:27:36] | Juski: | strange |
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| [17:28:37] | HeatHawk: | hi guys, I have a sony gigapocket enx-26 tv tuner, and I was wondering if there are linux drivers for it, I cant seem to find any |
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| [17:29:58] | _Zoom_: | hmm, never heard of it, heh |
| [17:30:15] | alex777: | hm, transcoding takes a while |
| [17:30:20] | Juski: | HeatHawk: have a look on www.linuxtv.org – if it aint listed, then erm.. chances are you're stuck |
| [17:30:36] | alex777: | I should probably add more ram to my mythtv machine |
| [17:30:56] | Juski: | more CPU will speed up transcoding, not RAM ;-) |
| [17:31:06] | Juski: | anyway – hometimeski! |
| [17:31:18] | alex777: | 1,7GHz celeron cpu |
| [17:31:29] | HeatHawk: | actually, i just found this website for drivers for the conexant cx23416 chip, which is like 5 hauppage cards, which is the same chip on this card, so it might work |
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| [17:32:35] | HeatHawk: | i have to go pickup my new kvm, thanks for your help |
| [17:32:45] | xris: | __rkulagow: what version of ffmpeg are you using? it's supposed to detect versions and use -m4v and -4mv depending on which version you have |
| [17:32:52] | xris: | maybe ffmpeg changed the setting back to the old option |
| [17:33:05] | xris: | or whatever the options are.... |
| [17:34:26] | alex777: | but still, my mythtv machine has only 256mb ram |
| [17:34:36] | alex777: | could adding more ram speed up transcoding ? |
| [17:35:16] | _Zoom_: | maybe, if the transcoding process results in paging |
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| [17:35:47] | alex777: | I'm not sure if it does |
| [17:36:07] | alex777: | but right now transcoding is doing the default xvid settings at 6fps |
| [17:36:16] | alex777: | which is slooooow |
| [17:38:00] | xris: | alex777: that speed sounds about right |
| [17:38:16] | alex777: | really ? |
| [17:38:42] | alex777: | how many passes does the default xvid setting do ? |
| [17:38:48] | alex777: | because 1 pass took 2.5hrs |
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| [17:38:54] | alex777: | and now it's doing a second pass |
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| [17:40:03] | alex777: | well, it's saying Final Pass, so I guess it does 2 passes |
| [17:40:21] | Merlin83b2: | Nice detective work, there ;-) |
| [17:40:39] | alex777: | :) |
| [17:40:55] | alex777: | still seems slow, it's gonna take 5hrs for a 30min recording |
| [17:41:02] | alex777: | and I got 16 of them ... |
| [17:41:08] | xris: | alex777: it does two if you have multipass enabled |
| [17:41:08] | alex777: | actually more |
| [17:41:23] | alex777: | xris any way of making transcoding faster ? |
| [17:41:26] | xris: | one if you don't enable multipass |
| [17:41:37] | xris: | alex777: get a faster machine... nothing I can do about the slowness of the linux encoders. |
| [17:41:47] | xris: | turning off denoise/deinterlace helps, too |
| [17:42:00] | alex777: | will the results be noticeable different ? |
| [17:42:09] | xris: | I get 6 fps on my 2.4Ghz p4, and just over 12fps on my 2.8G pD |
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| [17:42:14] | alex777: | and would increasing the ram from 256 to 768 help at all ? |
| [17:42:25] | xris: | ram might help, but not a huge amount. |
| [17:42:36] | xris: | and results would depend on the quality of your input signal. |
| [17:42:52] | xris: | if you're using analog cable or a software encoder card, you almost definitely want denoise enabled. |
| [17:42:55] | alex777: | so turn off denoise/deinterlace and make it single pass ? |
| [17:43:02] | alex777: | I use a pvr250 |
| [17:43:10] | alex777: | so I guess the quality is pretty good |
| [17:43:24] | alex777: | but I am using analog cable |
| [17:43:28] | xris: | single pass quality will be fine. the output files will just be inconsistent in file size |
| [17:44:37] | alex777: | how about video bitrate ? |
| [17:44:38] | xris: | using --transcode will also (imho) give you slightly better xvid quality... but it's no faster. |
| [17:44:49] | alex777: | I am using --transcode |
| [17:44:51] | xris: | the default bitrate is "good" quality |
| [17:44:59] | alex777: | 960 |
| [17:45:04] | alex777: | should I increase that ? |
| [17:45:11] | xris: | I set the defaults so they'd match up with most of the shows that you find on torrent sites, etc. |
| [17:45:18] | alex777: | ah, ok |
| [17:45:27] | alex777: | also, my recordings are 480x480 |
| [17:45:33] | alex777: | should I change that ? |
| [17:46:30] | xris: | the source files? if you have a 250 and can spare the space, bump it up to 720x480 |
| [17:47:02] | xris: | you could also resize your output files down to 320x240 or some other smaller bit.. that would speed up encoding times |
| [17:47:06] | alex777: | I guess I could after transcoding |
| [17:47:09] | alex777: | oh |
| [17:47:36] | alex777: | the default for xvid was 624x464 |
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| [17:48:12] | xris: | hmm, it's supposed to pull those sizes from the encoded file... not supposed to make the output file bigger |
| [17:48:33] | alex777: | it did detect that the input files were 480x480 |
| [17:48:51] | alex777: | but the default sizes it presented were 624x464 so I went with it |
| [17:49:12] | xris: | yeah. thought I fixed it so that it wouldn't make the output file bigger than the input. |
| [17:49:15] | xris: | that'll mess up quality |
| [17:49:19] | alex777: | I see |
| [17:49:27] | xris: | with that input, your width should be 464. |
| [17:49:27] | alex777: | so what dimensions should I go with ? |
| [17:49:40] | xris: | the height will auto-set from the width. |
| [17:49:52] | alex777: | I'll try that |
| [17:50:03] | kormoc: | (height should autoset to be 348) |
| [17:50:16] | xris: | well, width could be 480, too.. but I like the "crop" option to get rid of broadcast overscan junk around the edges of the recording. |
| [17:50:18] | alex777: | I am using mythtv 0.18, so maybe I have the unfixed version |
| [17:50:34] | xris: | alex777: no, that would have gone in long before I released .3 |
| [17:50:43] | kormoc: | xris, ooh? I thought it tried to make it a 4:3 video file? |
| [17:50:57] | xris: | just make sure you have the latest svn version of nuvexport before 0.3 (which is only for .19) |
| [17:51:11] | xris: | kormoc: it does... width = 480 or 464, height auto |
| [17:51:17] | alex777: | so go for 464 and select the 2% broadcast overscan cut ? |
| [17:51:21] | xris: | alex777: yeah |
| [17:51:28] | xris: | that'll speed things up quite a bit for you |
| [17:51:34] | xris: | and not distort your recordings. |
| [17:51:41] | alex777: | that's cool |
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| [17:51:52] | xris: | or set your pvr-250 to record at 720x480, and use the 624 width |
| [17:51:55] | kormoc: | xris, gotcha |
| [17:52:08] | ** clintar is excited for mythtv frontend on the ps3 ** | |
| [17:52:38] | kormoc: | ps3 was delayed a bit tho :/ |
| [17:52:44] | alex777: | I put width to 464 and the height was calculated at 352 |
| [17:52:50] | alex777: | that's fine right ? |
| [17:53:02] | xris: | alex777: yeah, it picks the closest height it can to make 4:3 |
| [17:53:37] | alex777: | oh yea, it goes at around 13.5fps now |
| [17:54:14] | Hoxzer: | in my high school there is a guy named by alex |
| [17:54:20] | Hoxzer: | and he talks like gay |
| [17:54:24] | Hoxzer: | and is fucking annoying |
| [17:54:26] | alex777: | lol |
| [17:54:32] | Hoxzer: | and then ... |
| [17:54:59] | Hoxzer: | and he knows all those wierd words |
| [17:55:05] | Hoxzer: | like what rationalism means |
| [17:55:20] | ** kormoc ponders why that is considered a wierd word ** | |
| [17:56:03] | Merlin83b2: | No more weird than "wierd". |
| [17:56:37] | kormoc: | :P |
| [17:56:38] | Merlin83b2: | "Talks liks gay" and has a decent vocabulary? I'd sooner listen to him, thanks. |
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| [17:57:29] | alex777: | heh |
| [17:58:01] | alex777: | well if you don't know what rationalism means, you've got to pay more attention in math class |
| [17:58:08] | alex777: | :) |
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| [18:00:08] | __rkulagow: | xris: ffmpeg -v |
| [18:00:08] | __rkulagow: | ffmpeg version cvs, build 4736, Copyright (c) 2000–2004 Fabrice Bellard |
| [18:00:08] | __rkulagow: | configuration: --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-mp3lame --host=i386-linux --enable-gpl --build=i386-linux --mandir=${prefix}/share/man --enable-vorbis --enable-faadbin --enable-faad --enable-a52bin --enable-pthreads --enable-faac --enable-xvid --enable-dts |
| [18:00:08] | __rkulagow: | built on Jan 10 2005 11:11:10, gcc: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5–6) |
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| [18:18:31] | coffee88: | !seen Beirdo |
| [18:18:31] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo is here and has been idle for 13 hours 35 minutes 21 seconds |
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| [18:32:16] | xris: | __rkulagow: looks like you somehow got an old version of cvs that was from before they switched to the new format |
| [18:32:44] | __rkulagow: | yeah, debian wants to upgrade a bunch of stuff to load the latest ffmepg. i'll let it do that |
| [18:33:22] | __rkulagow: | there aren't any release notes for nuvexport that i could see on the wiki or in svn – what's the minimum required version? |
| [18:33:46] | xris: | .4.9 |
| [18:33:51] | xris: | old |
| [18:34:06] | xris: | I try to keep it backwards compatible with everything back to what fc1 came with |
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| [18:34:45] | xris: | want to get rid of this kind of version stuff and just go to matching up with mythtv releases... new perl bindings will help with that. |
| [18:35:08] | __rkulagow: | sweet. thanks |
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| [18:43:54] | ** coffee88 wishes the kororaa xgl livecd would download faster... And he'd sorted out more adsl speed by now... ** | |
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| [18:51:47] | kormoc: | Ooh, Mr. Beirdo, I just remembered, I wanted to ask you if you heard of Sh, the shader language? |
| [18:52:08] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [18:52:25] | kormoc: | Beirdo, http://libsh.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [18:53:11] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I think it might be a good way for gputrans to go, as their FAQ gets into a bit. |
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| [18:53:30] | Beirdo: | I'll look at it later on, I guess, bookmarked :) |
| [18:54:11] | kormoc: | heh, kk :) |
| [18:54:34] | MindHack: | has anyone tried using xbindkeys to bing special function keys to the telnet socket in the mythfrontend? |
| [18:54:43] | coffee88: | Beirdo: I've made a very plain irc log theme that I use a work to read the logs... |
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| [18:55:03] | coffee88: | Looks like the excel sheets I have to stare at... Interested in a copy? |
| [18:55:14] | Beirdo: | K, add it to a ticket at http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/beirdobot |
| [18:55:42] | coffee88: | will do. |
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| [19:09:13] | Rsx024: | can some one help me set my tv resolution? i have no problem getting the tv out to function but i can not change resolutions properly |
| [19:09:26] | ftp4: | so, i am doing this install on ubuntu: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html, and I am currently at step #8.5.. i still have not seen anything on my TV.. when does this export the video to my tv so I can see the menus, etc on tv? |
| [19:10:34] | Rsx024: | not sure about ubuntu but im assuming its the same as every other distro you gotta edit your config files first |
| [19:11:55] | kormoc: | Rsx024, the tv out resolution should be set in your xorg.conf file |
| [19:13:19] | xris: | ftp4: dunno about that guide, but generally, playing on the tv has nothing to do with the official myth setup, as it depends very specifically on your video card. |
| [19:14:32] | Rsx024: | when i type "xedit xorg.conf" it doesnt find any thing |
| [19:15:32] | xris: | Rsx024: are you in /etc/X11? |
| [19:16:29] | Rsx024: | no but i went there and tried still nothing |
| [19:17:02] | xris: | Rsx024: what distro? |
| [19:17:07] | Rsx024: | knoppmyth |
| [19:17:15] | xris: | it's probably still running xfree |
| [19:17:21] | xris: | ls /etc/X11 |
| [19:17:43] | kormoc: | xf86Config, xf86Config-4, or similar |
| [19:18:19] | Rsx024: | yea xf86config-4 is what ive been editing |
| [19:18:46] | Rsx024: | i show a bunch of results with ls /etc/X11 but no xorg.conf |
| [19:19:03] | xris: | Rsx024: xorg.conf is for X.org, the other is for XFree86 |
| [19:19:06] | kormoc: | xf86config-4 is the config file for xfree, you'd need to edit that and set the res in there |
| [19:20:01] | Rsx024: | yea thats what ive been trying with no luck just not sure what i am doing wrong |
| [19:20:13] | kormoc: | Rsx024, what are you changing? |
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| [19:22:12] | Rsx024: | i changed horizsync 30–50 vertrefresh to 60 in the monitor section |
| [19:22:22] | Rsx024: | added TVStandard NTSC-M |
| [19:22:33] | Rsx024: | ConnectedMonitor TV |
| [19:22:42] | Rsx024: | TVOutFormat SVIDEO |
| [19:23:10] | Rsx024: | MetaModes 640x480 |
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| [19:23:33] | kormoc: | did you set the res in the screen section? |
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| [19:25:27] | MindHack: | does mythweb 19 depend on mythbackend 19? |
| [19:25:34] | kormoc: | MindHack, yes |
| [19:25:54] | MindHack: | drats |
| [19:26:09] | Rsx024: | well it doesnt outright say Resolution but it displays a bunch of depth configs like 1–32 and each one has a res of 1024x768 800x600 640x480 |
| [19:26:11] | MindHack: | ebuild doesn't pull it, so I was rather confused there |
| [19:26:28] | Rsx024: | default depth is 24 |
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| [19:26:52] | kormoc: | Rsx024, yeah, under the depth 24, theo modes section there is what sets the res of the dispplay, you'd need to edit that line |
| [19:28:35] | Rsx024: | ok is it possible to set it to 740x480 i notice my xbox runs on that res or would i have to enter a sting of info under the monitor section where it list all the resolution settings |
| [19:29:00] | Rsx024: | my tv is 27" if that helps |
| [19:29:33] | Rsx024: | 720x480** |
| [19:29:42] | kormoc: | Rsx024, just delete the reses you don't want out of there, and put in the one you want. and sure, you can set it to 740x480 if you want, and see how it looks |
| [19:30:14] | Rsx024: | ok cool thanks for your help i will let you know how i make out :) |
| [19:30:42] | Rsx024: | next step is setting up my sound i gotta start looking for guides for that |
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| [19:33:24] | Rsx024: | for some reason when i do a channel scan with my hd-3000 it says failed to tune is that an easy fix? |
| [19:33:44] | Rsx024: | if i set my device to standard vl4 it wont let me scan channels but i can see em |
| [19:33:53] | MindHack: | damnit, anyone ever wipe their package.use file by mistake? |
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| [19:42:01] | ftp4: | when running "mythfilldatabase" it connects, grabs listings, then says "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)" |
| [19:42:11] | ftp4: | then says Connection timed out |
| [19:42:19] | ftp4: | then says I should modify the Master server settings |
| [19:42:24] | ftp4: | what IP should I be setting? The internal IP (192.168) or ? |
| [19:42:50] | kormoc: | MindHack, sure have, tis why I have backups! |
| [19:43:00] | MindHack: | ftp4, are you running a firewall? |
| [19:43:14] | ftp4: | I am behind a firewall, yes |
| [19:43:26] | MindHack: | kormoc, I knew that I would eventually echo > /etc/portage.... instead of >>!!!!!!! |
| [19:43:36] | kormoc: | ftp4, if it's only going to be the same machine for the frontend/backend/mythweb, then 127.0.0.1 is fine, else use the external ip |
| [19:44:06] | ftp4: | well, apparently its not fine, because its not connecting and getting my listings |
| [19:44:25] | MindHack: | ftp4, well, I mean, if the machine itself running a firewall? |
| [19:44:30] | kormoc: | ftp4, is the backend running? |
| [19:47:04] | ftp4: | i just fired up "mythbackend &" and it dies with "QserverSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [19:47:12] | ftp4: | failed to bind to port: 6543 |
| [19:47:20] | kormoc: | ftp4, you sure it's not already running? |
| [19:48:38] | ftp4: | kormoc, it is running, sorry |
| [19:48:45] | ftp4: | so then yes, it is running :-P |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | ftp4, can mythfrontend connect to it? |
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| [19:49:35] | Beirdo: | time for a small upgrade |
| [19:49:57] | Beirdo: | holy crapola |
| [19:49:58] | ftp4: | kormoc, i test that by typing "mythfrontend" ? |
| [19:50:05] | Beirdo: | Still notifying |
| [19:50:36] | kormoc: | ftp4, well, run mythfrontend and go to livetv, and see if it complains about not being able to talk to the backend, aye |
| [19:51:14] | Beirdo: | Oh, I bet the bot will be sitting on it's pretty ass silently for a little while |
| [19:51:28] | kormoc: | !seen kormoc |
| [19:51:28] | MythLogBot: | kormoc is here and has been idle for 0 seconds |
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| [19:51:56] | ftp4: | kormoc, ok, so i clicked live tv, first it errors with an error opening audio device, I click "continue without audio" and |
| [19:52:02] | ftp4: | i see tv |
| [19:52:40] | kormoc: | so it's connecting to the backend fine |
| [19:53:01] | ftp4: | ok :-) |
| [19:53:03] | kormoc: | that's really wacky |
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| [19:53:35] | ftp4: | its a "enhacement" commercial, lmao |
| [19:54:24] | ftp4: | anyway, any ideas on my mythfilldatabase? |
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| [19:55:03] | Beirdo: | there |
| [19:55:23] | Beirdo: | still gotta fix that flood protection fun |
| [19:55:45] | Beirdo: | just make it notify slower or something |
| [20:00:17] | ftp4: | this is the error: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=604034 |
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| [20:04:11] | meushi: | weird |
| [20:04:20] | meushi: | tv_grab_fr --slow is no longer working |
| [20:04:57] | kormoc: | ftp4, there's no error in that pastebin |
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| [20:05:18] | ftp4: | kormoc, your right.. hmm.. but there are no listings |
| [20:05:50] | kormoc: | ftp4, try mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
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| [20:09:19] | ftp4: | kormoc, what user should i be running that as? mythtv or root? |
| [20:09:20] | phatmonkey: | suggestion: how about, when wanting to watch live tv when all the tuners are used up, how about it forces people to watch only the channels that are being recorded rather than display an error? |
| [20:11:02] | armand: | no point, just go into recorded programs and watch it there |
| [20:11:16] | ftp4: | kormoc: illegal option: `--refresh-all` |
| [20:13:00] | ftp4: | i was told ubuntu was the easiest :-P |
| [20:13:17] | armand: | nothing worthwhile is easy |
| [20:13:28] | ftp4: | armand, thats mostly true |
| [20:13:41] | armand: | oh good here i thought it was mostly false |
| [20:13:45] | phatmonkey: | yeah, but the, umm, less technical minded in the hosue get confused by that ;) |
| [20:13:50] | phatmonkey: | *house |
| [20:14:11] | armand: | just tell them what it means, that all tuners are in use, heh, and to go into recorded programs |
| [20:14:22] | phatmonkey: | suppose |
| [20:14:33] | phatmonkey: | probably time to buy more tuners anyway... |
| [20:14:57] | armand: | even my gf knows what that message means and she doesnt know crap about computers ;) |
| [20:15:14] | armand: | though with 4 pvrs that message doesnt come up very often these days |
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| [20:43:53] | aleitner: | hi, i have problems with my newly installed pvr500. it seems that on /dev/video0 the audio i record is only static, whil on /dev/video1 it records the audio just fine. |
| [20:52:57] | scopeuk: | lol wget use 30% cpu and 4 meg of ram when downloading at 50Mb/s |
| [20:53:09] | scopeuk: | i say this becouse im transferign a file with it from myth |
| [20:53:28] | scopeuk: | up at 70Mb/s |
| [20:54:16] | scopeuk: | wow 185% downlaoded thats a new one |
| [21:00:02] | scopeuk: | lol it loops at 200% and goes to -200% |
| [21:00:17] | laga: | your wget is weird |
| [21:00:33] | scopeuk: | its the same with all browsers downloading from my myth web |
| [21:00:42] | Beirdo: | I need more coffee |
| [21:00:42] | scopeuk: | then again it could be the wget native and windows combo |
| [21:00:49] | scopeuk: | but ive never had any issues before |
| [21:01:20] | scopeuk: | i need to get a gig hub adn a gig nic for my myth box |
| [21:01:24] | scopeuk: | 10/100 is jsut too slow |
| [21:01:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:01:39] | Beirdo: | if you say so |
| [21:01:49] | scopeuk: | im transferign 8 gig files |
| [21:01:50] | Beirdo: | I use 100mbit full-duplex, it works just fine |
| [21:02:18] | scopeuk: | yeh this is 1/2 duplex atm becouse im usign a borrowed hub to conect and extra 4 boxen off my network conenction |
| [21:02:28] | kormoc: | ftp4, user mythtv should be fine, root should be fine as well, and that sucks bout the change of the options |
| [21:02:32] | Beirdo: | that's the majority of the problem right there |
| [21:02:45] | Beirdo: | switch good. hub bad |
| [21:02:58] | scopeuk: | nod |
| [21:03:15] | Beirdo: | that collision light must be dancing pretty good |
| [21:03:41] | scopeuk: | oh yes |
| [21:03:47] | scopeuk: | intel rack mount toy lol |
| [21:04:04] | Beirdo: | I think you need to invest in a cheeep 10/100 switch :) |
| [21:04:24] | scopeuk: | yup i do |
| [21:04:29] | scopeuk: | no complaints here |
| [21:04:42] | scopeuk: | supprised it hasent ecided to cut my boxx off the network yet |
| [21:04:46] | scopeuk: | it gets prety good at that |
| [21:04:57] | laga: | what? your spelling? |
| [21:05:08] | laga: | scnr ;) |
| [21:05:14] | scopeuk: | yeh my spellign is nasty |
| [21:05:17] | Beirdo: | !trout laga |
| [21:05:17] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [21:05:20] | scopeuk: | sorry forgot to slow myself down there |
| [21:05:22] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [21:05:27] | alex777: | ok, so I used nuvexport to transcode my recordings to xvids |
| [21:05:27] | Rsx024: | there is a command that lets you see where your devices are right? because i just installed a pvr-150 and i also have a hd-3000 im not sure how to set it up |
| [21:05:32] | laga: | !übertrout beirdo |
| [21:05:40] | MindHack: | I really didn't want to give up my rackmount 10BT hub with pretty blinking lights (like 30 of them!), and I really considered hacking my new, boring, dlink 100mb/sec switch |
| [21:05:40] | Beirdo: | nice try, laga |
| [21:05:43] | laga: | Rsx024: lspci |
| [21:05:53] | Rsx024: | thank you |
| [21:05:54] | alex777: | now how can I put them back in mythtv as recordings ? |
| [21:06:22] | alex777: | I could put them in a folder for mythvideo, but then I lose all the info about the shows |
| [21:06:54] | MindHack: | havent you already lost all that info? I havent used nuvexport yet |
| [21:07:06] | Beirdo: | no, the data's still in the database |
| [21:07:11] | alex777: | yea |
| [21:07:23] | alex777: | but it's associated with the .nuv files |
| [21:07:49] | Rsx024: | if my pvr-150 comes up as 0000:00:09.0 would the device in the setup be video9? |
| [21:07:59] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:08:17] | Beirdo: | not unless you had 8 other video sources before it |
| [21:08:25] | Rsx024: | lol i see |
| [21:08:34] | MindHack: | Beirdo, that would be awesome |
| [21:08:38] | laga: | uh, copy the recording to your recordings directory, change the 'basename' in the mythconverg database ('recorded' table) and pray (and run mythcommflag --rebuild on that file) |
| [21:08:47] | Beirdo: | video0 is the first one with drivers installed |
| [21:08:54] | Beirdo: | video1 the second, etc |
| [21:08:58] | Rsx024: | ok i see thanks |
| [21:09:06] | Beirdo: | no problem |
| [21:09:15] | Rsx024: | for some reason i cant set up my hd-3000 as dvb i just get a black screen |
| [21:09:27] | alex777: | laga that's what I thought about doing |
| [21:09:37] | laga: | alex777: well, do it then :) |
| [21:09:38] | alex777: | but why run mythcommflag --rebuild ? |
| [21:09:50] | alex777: | laga I thought there might be an easier way :) |
| [21:09:52] | laga: | alex777: because you won't be able to seek very well otherwise, i think |
| [21:10:09] | laga: | alex777: well, you could just automate it with a script ;) |
| [21:10:31] | alex777: | I guess :) |
| [21:11:06] | laga: | or use mythvideo ;) |
| [21:11:38] | scopeuk: | oh no my box jsut ran out of disc space |
| [21:11:52] | Beirdo: | smooth move |
| [21:12:46] | Rsx024: | how does myth look running on your guys tv's? cause mine doesnt seem like it looks right all the pics i see of people running myth it looks really clean sharp and fairly vivid colors |
| [21:13:13] | Beirdo: | OMG, 163 recordings?! |
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| [21:15:15] | scopeuk: | Beirdo also noticed it was recorded in 480*480 |
| [21:15:17] | scopeuk: | weird |
| [21:15:46] | Beirdo: | that's the default, yes |
| [21:16:20] | Beirdo: | I changed my profiles real quick to use more sane defaults for my purposes |
| [21:16:34] | Beirdo: | like 720x480 (x576 for you PAL-ers) |
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| [21:16:47] | Beirdo: | and 352x480 (or x576) |
| [21:17:10] | Beirdo: | much easier to generate DVDs from (no reencoding if you have a MPEG2 capture card) |
| [21:17:46] | Beirdo: | 480x480 is good if you are gonna make SVCD |
| [21:17:55] | Beirdo: | otherwise, it's a silly resolution to choose :) |
| [21:18:09] | Beirdo: | but it's up to you what ya use |
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| [21:24:55] | _Zoom_: | anyone use Gentoo? I'm trying to figure out what will happen if I update to 0.19. Will I need to redo all of my configs.... will my database need to be rebuilt? |
| [21:25:37] | _Zoom_: | only slightly Gentoo related... guess I was wondering what would happen if I just emerge unmerge and remeerge... or if there is a better way to update |
| [21:25:51] | Rsx024: | is there a file i should be editing to enable my sound? cuase its currently not working. My sound is currently onbored sound device |
| [21:25:53] | roger55: | _Zoom_, in any case make backups |
| [21:26:15] | sean33: | i like little piggies :) |
| [21:26:16] | roger55: | _Zoom_, of the database, and use quickpkg mythtv (and plugins) |
| [21:26:26] | _Zoom_: | hmm |
| [21:26:52] | roger55: | _Zoom_, so you can roll back if it doesn't work |
| [21:28:23] | _Zoom_: | ah, I haven't heard of that quickpkg tool... seems useful |
| [21:29:53] | roger55: | _Zoom_, it is, I've gone forward, backwards, forward until I got my card working – this wasn't related to upgrading but more about support for my tvcard/kernel/nvidia drivers... |
| [21:32:41] | sean33: | my answer will always be get a real CPU from a company that spends less on TV advertsing and more on core development like AMD :) |
| [21:33:13] | sean33: | the piggies command you ! |
| [21:33:19] | xris: | sean33: I'd rather go with what works best and is cheapest... for me, that was intel |
| [21:33:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:33:53] | xris: | but mainly because AMD doesn't give us reseller-employee deals like intel does. |
| [21:33:56] | Beirdo: | AMD64 is cheaper for *most* people though, xris :) |
| [21:33:59] | xris: | yes |
| [21:34:09] | xris: | no argument there. and I'd have done that if the intel deal hadn't come along |
| [21:34:11] | kormoc: | Beirdo, not dual core amd tho, intel is way cheaper in that reguard |
| [21:34:26] | Beirdo: | I don't need a dual core space heater :) |
| [21:34:39] | xris: | still pissed that it was an 820 proc, though.. $10 more retail for a 920 is a much better deal. stupid intel getting rid of low end procs |
| [21:35:09] | sean33: | lol Beirdo actualy the AMD are cooler than the intel and use 20% less power |
| [21:35:15] | Beirdo: | that's my point |
| [21:35:26] | Beirdo: | intel may be cheaper for a dual core |
| [21:35:30] | sean33: | oh err well thats ok then |
| [21:35:39] | _Zoom_: | they perform like crap though, heh |
| [21:35:42] | Beirdo: | but AMD64 is still cooler and will require less electricity |
| [21:35:43] | sean33: | yea but intel's dual core is crap |
| [21:35:54] | sean33: | no Xbar in the intel |
| [21:35:57] | _Zoom_: | I just bought a 4200 AMD for my new machine |
| [21:36:03] | xris: | the sossaman procs (or whatever they're called) are pretty nice.. core duo stuff. |
| [21:36:36] | Beirdo: | Oh GOD my brain hurts |
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| [21:37:03] | xris: | Beirdo: go back to packing. heh. |
| [21:37:11] | ** laga beers beirdo ** | |
| [21:37:18] | Beirdo: | I will when I get home, don't worry |
| [21:37:48] | sean33: | intel CPU only one core can talk to the ram or bus at a time rather than with the AMD Xbar you have full duplex with both cores , sure its a lower speed but thats like empty a sinking boat fast with a cup or slow with a bucket |
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| [21:38:42] | kormoc: | sean33, that's not quite true |
| [21:39:19] | sean33: | kormoc which bit ? |
| [21:39:35] | kormoc: | sean33, the main issue with the intel dual core is the non shared cache, so if a process flips processors, it needs to take it's cache with it, and that can cause slowdowns on certain opperating systems |
| [21:39:57] | kormoc: | sean33, each core on the dual cores can talk to the memory or the bus at the same time, just not the same blocks/target |
| [21:41:41] | sean33: | kormoc , i think you will find if you look at the intel dual core design that the bus is shared between the two cores thus in one clock cycle only one core can communicate not both |
| [21:42:25] | kormoc: | sean33, the bus is shared, but it can send out multiple requests in the same burst, allowing both to send requests... |
| [21:43:19] | kormoc: | they solved that problem way back when hyperthreading first started comming out. |
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| [21:47:29] | sean33: | kormoc , i have a degree in electronics engineering and communications I think i may have a good understanding of the designs its as far as im aware intel have not managed any magic quantum mechanics on their system bus its still limited by the primary archetecture |
| [21:48:17] | kormoc: | sean33, so then tell me why the data from the northbridge can't be splitup and handed off to both processors? |
| [21:48:48] | sean33: | because its split on seperate clock cycles |
| [21:49:20] | armand: | sean33: sure you're not confused with hyperthreading p4's vs dualcore? |
| [21:49:46] | ftp4: | I am still having some serious issues with mythfilldatabase, I am at using http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html at step 8.16 I type: mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map and i see http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=604299 |
| [21:51:09] | sean33: | lol quite sure .. anyways not worth the time to argue the point the information is out there :) |
| [21:52:23] | Anduin: | ftp4 – paste your iconmap.xml file as well |
| [21:53:31] | kormoc: | sean33, "Leaving aside advanced issues such as cache coherency, each core can only use half of the 800 MHz FSB when under heavy load." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D |
| [21:53:56] | kormoc: | sean33, that would say it's split up, not back and forth like you're claiming, would you happen to have any links to this information that's out there? |
| [21:54:43] | Juski: | whoah... that '24' has some body count of late |
| [21:54:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:54:58] | Beirdo: | I've deleted the whole season |
| [21:55:01] | armand: | poor samwise |
| [21:55:08] | Beirdo: | just don't care to watch it |
| [21:55:28] | armand: | beirdo: you know if you dont watch 24, the terrorists win |
| [21:55:31] | armand: | its patriotic |
| [21:55:34] | Beirdo: | good |
| [21:55:36] | kormoc: | armand, he's canadian |
| [21:55:38] | Beirdo: | fuck patriotism |
| [21:55:48] | armand: | oh LOL. i was just kidding anyway. |
| [21:55:49] | Juski: | yeh well now certain people have been erased my wife's not keen on watching it |
| [21:55:52] | Beirdo: | so is Kiefer Sutherland |
| [21:56:01] | Beirdo: | and so is Elisha Cuthbert |
| [21:56:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:56:10] | armand: | just dont come down and burn down our whitehouse again |
| [21:56:11] | Beirdo: | who was the only reason to watch 24 anyways |
| [21:56:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:56:25] | Beirdo: | I'll try not to |
| [21:56:25] | _Zoom_: | heh, got me hooked |
| [21:56:31] | Juski: | isn't it mostly made by a canadian production company anyway? |
| [21:56:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think so |
| [21:56:51] | Beirdo: | she was cute as a youngster... and improved with age |
| [21:57:01] | kormoc: | Beirdo, oh wait, you're gonna be in the us soon! :P |
| [21:57:11] | Beirdo: | shhhhh |
| [21:57:16] | Beirdo: | fuck patriotism |
| [21:57:20] | kormoc: | :P |
| [21:57:29] | armand: | you're gonna get arrested and locked up for being a suspected terroist |
| [21:57:36] | Beirdo: | bought the ticket this morning actually |
| [21:57:39] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [21:57:40] | Beirdo: | I'm white |
| [21:57:45] | Juski: | hey the UK could rot & burn for all I care. Oh wait. It already is |
| [21:57:45] | armand: | no matter |
| [21:57:58] | armand: | this country is steamrolling towards totalitarianism |
| [21:58:02] | ftp4: | anduin: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?show=604317 |
| [21:58:04] | Beirdo: | if I were arabic, I'd be running scared |
| [21:58:25] | armand: | or anyone with a dark tan |
| [21:58:32] | Beirdo: | armand: that's what happens when you vote a moron back into power |
| [21:58:39] | armand: | i voted for kerry :( |
| [21:58:41] | kormoc: | good thing we're geeks, pasty white from lack of sun |
| [21:58:47] | armand: | my state went to kerry, so i feel good about it |
| [21:58:54] | Beirdo: | I mean "you" as a general term |
| [21:58:57] | Juski: | what scares me more than Islamic fundamentalists – Christian fundamentalists ;-) |
| [21:59:09] | Beirdo: | neither are fundamentalist |
| [21:59:11] | armand: | yeah i know. the residents of the rest of the country, aka, dumbfuckistan, are to blame |
| [21:59:22] | sean33: | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductIn . . . 3042,00.html |
| [21:59:26] | Beirdo: | both are crackpots that aren't really following their respective religions |
| [21:59:28] | Juski: | dumbfuckistan.. I like that |
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| [21:59:49] | sean33: | intel Pentium D " Front Side Bus @ 800 MHz, half duplex " |
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| [21:59:58] | Beirdo: | nobody expects the spanish inquisition |
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| [22:00:12] | armand: | the funny part are all the republicans who hate him now. im always like, "where the hell were you in 04" |
| [22:00:29] | Beirdo: | they still had the wool pulled over their eyes |
| [22:00:40] | kormoc: | sean33, that would be can't read and write at the same time, not each core can only get data at a time |
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| [22:00:46] | Juski: | meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users .... |
| [22:00:52] | sean33: | " The Pentium D will have two cores, but each core only supports a single thread at a time " http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1771869,00.asp |
| [22:01:04] | armand: | i understand that, but when you're having a discussion with someone and you're told to shuttup, that they dont want to hear it, that you're wrong, they tune you out... then they reverse their stance a year oater |
| [22:01:05] | Beirdo: | meanwhile, in the outhouse... things were piling up. |
| [22:01:06] | kormoc: | sean33, that's processor threads, same as AMD's... |
| [22:01:13] | armand: | its pretty aggrevating and shows the intelligence of this country. its pitiful |
| [22:01:20] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:01:42] | Beirdo: | lack of education :) |
| [22:01:55] | kormoc: | sean33, from your second link: "Each core will have an independent interface to the frontside bus. " |
| [22:02:04] | kormoc: | sean33, thus my statement is proved from your own link |
| [22:02:19] | armand: | kormoc: dont aregue with the electrical engineer and communication degree holder. he must know all |
| [22:02:24] | armand: | ... *rolls eyes* |
| [22:02:36] | Anduin: | ftp4 – make it valid xml (those &s) |
| [22:03:08] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [22:03:12] | Beirdo: | Intel blows :) |
| [22:03:21] | ** Beirdo puts more fuel on the fire ** | |
| [22:03:22] | Juski: | you'd have to be a fool to think a dual CPU / dual-core system would be twice as fast as a single CPU system anyway ;-) |
| [22:03:38] | Beirdo: | Juski: it can be... but rarely is |
| [22:03:53] | _Zoom_: | yeah, maybe you can SETI twice as fast |
| [22:04:00] | ftp4: | anduin: huh? I do not see any &s |
| [22:04:02] | Beirdo: | you can hit like about 190% of a CPU with properly threaded stuff |
| [22:04:08] | kormoc: | Beirdo, hey, I have no problem with saying intel sucks for reasons that it does, I just try to correct people's mistakes on saying it sucks for reason's it doesn;t :P |
| [22:04:15] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
| [22:04:36] | Beirdo: | just like the Athlon XP was best off for cooking eggs |
| [22:04:40] | Beirdo: | I still bought em |
| [22:04:56] | Juski: | I think it's ironic that there's now a screensaver to run climate modelling in system idle time... which infact will cause the PC to consume more power than it normally would at idle, thus speeding up global warming. heh |
| [22:05:04] | armand: | i like amd because its typically far cheaper than intel |
| [22:05:07] | Anduin: | ftp4 – starz_kids&gamily.jpg |
| [22:06:15] | meushi: | Beirdo: 2 AMD MPs were better than 1 XP... you could cook the egss and fry the bacon |
| [22:06:27] | _Zoom_: | yeah, I paid $300 or $350 for mine... I'm sure the Intel model is a lot more |
| [22:06:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:06:47] | Juski: | armand: yeah every time I think about CPU etc for a new system I think I'll go Intel.. then I see the price tags, take a deep breath & hope I can get by with what I can afford |
| [22:06:48] | ftp4: | anduin.. cool.. that worked |
| [22:07:00] | kormoc: | _Zoom_, actually, for dual core, intel is about $100 cheaper then amd's |
| [22:07:07] | _Zoom_: | hmm |
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| [22:07:24] | _Zoom_: | I'll have to check... maybe thats only true for the single core |
| [22:07:30] | Beirdo: | kormoc: until you count electricity costs :) |
| [22:07:50] | kormoc: | _Zoom_, nah, dual core intel starts at ~ $250 or so, dual core amd starts at ~ $350 or so |
| [22:07:59] | ftp4: | anduin: at this point, I still can only see tv on my monitor.. shouldnt it be on my tv? |
| [22:07:59] | kormoc: | Beirdo, heh, mine doesn't draw that much power :P |
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| [22:08:55] | _Zoom_: | guess in this case I paid for performance |
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| [22:09:52] | _Zoom_: | or I just plain overpaid, heh |
| [22:09:58] | kormoc: | heh :) |
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| [22:15:53] | bio_: | where is the ticket-system from mythtv? (bugtrack or whatever there is) |
| [22:15:59] | Anduin: | ftp4 – Probably, unless you modified the driver options to make it work (which weren't on the guide you were using last time). |
| [22:16:15] | kormoc: | bio_, svn.mythtv.org |
| [22:16:47] | bio_: | perfect, thx |
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| [22:18:22] | ftp4: | ok screw it, i am reinstalling with knoppmyth.. :-P |
| [22:19:36] | Anduin: | ftp4 – It isn't that hard. |
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| [22:21:31] | ftp4: | anduin: i think other things are messed up.. it wont show the tv listings |
| [22:21:59] | ftp4: | knoppmyth asks for video mode... what size is normal? 80x25? |
| [22:22:50] | Juski: | tv will look a tad blocky in 80x25, but for the text setup screens that should be fine |
| [22:22:56] | Juski: | ;-) |
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| [22:23:35] | ftp4: | juski, it offers 80x25 – 132x60 which is the proper one for things to look normal :-) |
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| [22:25:38] | Beirdo: | Oooops |
| [22:25:40] | Beirdo: | time to go |
| [22:25:47] | Beirdo: | completely lost track of the time |
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| [22:27:37] | glen__: | hello. how to make still picture of some show? |
| [22:31:23] | Juski: | ftp4: 80x25 should be fine for the setting up menus |
| [22:32:43] | alex777: | where in the mythconverg database does mythtv hold file names for recorded programs ? |
| [22:32:48] | alex777: | I tried the "recorded" table |
| [22:32:56] | alex777: | but I don't see any file names |
| [22:33:25] | Anduin: | alex777 – Which version? |
| [22:33:31] | alex777: | 0.18 |
| [22:33:54] | alex777: | or does it build the file names from the chanid, start_time and end_time ? |
| [22:34:01] | Anduin: | They were chanid + starttime + endtime back then. |
| [22:34:09] | alex777: | I see |
| [22:34:13] | glen__: | is it possible with 0.19 to make screenshot? |
| [22:34:31] | glen__: | or possible to run mythtv in x11, without recompiling without xv? |
| [22:34:47] | alex777: | how about refreshing the file size in the database ? |
| [22:34:52] | Juski: | alex777: the table is recordedprogram |
| [22:34:59] | alex777: | or would I have to do it manually ? |
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| [22:35:26] | Juski: | glen__ there are lots of tools to take screenshots in Linux, but none in mythtv |
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| [22:35:54] | roger55: | glen__, there is some startup option I forgot to make mythtv not use overlay for video, if you meant that. |
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| [22:36:08] | Anduin: | alex777 – I'm mostly sure it isn't set after the recording is done (so yes manually). |
| [22:36:08] | glen__: | Juski: the problem is that it runs on xv, ie picture goes directly to video card. |
| [22:36:09] | Juski: | --no-xv I think |
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| [22:36:44] | alex777: | Anduin I feared that |
| [22:36:44] | glen__: | 2006-03–16 00:36:27.445 Could not open --no-xv. 0 retries remaining. |
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| [22:36:53] | roger55: | glen__, that option is meantioned in one of the faq's iirc. and it makes playback slow, but allows for screenshotting. |
| [22:36:53] | Juski: | alex777: why do you need to know the recordings filenames? |
| [22:37:06] | Juski: | glen__: mythfrontend --no-xv |
| [22:37:06] | mmead: | anyone running hdtv that knows how to differentiate between hardware not capable of playback and dropouts on signal? |
| [22:37:08] | roger55: | mentioned I meant. |
| [22:37:12] | Juski: | as far as I can remember |
| [22:37:30] | alex777: | Juski I transcoded the shows and I still want to keep the information for them |
| [22:37:34] | mmead: | Juski: I decided to grab some amd64 hardware |
| [22:37:41] | glen__: | Juski: it doesn't like it either (with -noxv --noxv or other combination) |
| [22:37:41] | alex777: | so I'll replace the original files with the transcoded files |
| [22:37:47] | mmead: | Juski: using it as a frontend only at the moment, it is quite fast for hdtv decoding |
| [22:38:02] | mmead: | Juski: but I get pausing on certain channels that doesn't generate the "prebuffer pause" message on output |
| [22:38:05] | Juski: | mmead: amd64 should do the job |
| [22:38:22] | mmead: | Juski: yeah, overclocked to 2.5Ghz, gets a scimark2 score of 712 |
| [22:38:39] | Juski: | mmead: try using xvmc if you can |
| [22:38:54] | mmead: | Juski: hmm... it plays 720p from fox and abc perfectly |
| [22:39:04] | Juski: | but not 1080? |
| [22:39:13] | mmead: | Juski: hmm, not sure how to tell |
| [22:39:25] | mmead: | Juski: does the 480 box in the center usually come in 720p or 1080i? |
| [22:39:52] | Juski: | what 480 box? |
| [22:40:13] | mmead: | Juski: during non primetime the stations send what looks to be a 480-sized signal inside letterboxing on all sides |
| [22:40:37] | Juski: | mmead: I presume it's 480p then |
| [22:40:47] | mmead: | Juski: so it's not even keeping up with 480p |
| [22:40:52] | mmead: | Juski: on *those* channels |
| [22:41:02] | Juski: | prolly a signal issue then, maybe |
| [22:41:04] | mmead: | Juski: signal is 100%, 4.2–4.5 s/n |
| [22:41:09] | mmead: | (db) |
| [22:41:39] | Juski: | other than the answers I've given I ain't qualified in HDTV |
| [22:41:57] | mmead: | Juski: do you know if there's a program to measure whether dropouts happen on a dvb tuner? |
| [22:42:06] | Juski: | signal may be 100% but is it error free enough? |
| [22:42:11] | mmead: | Juski: right |
| [22:42:18] | Juski: | mmead: azap ? |
| [22:42:23] | ** stuarta is power watching his back catalogue ** | |
| [22:42:26] | mmead: | Juski: I will try that... |
| [22:42:31] | mmead: | Juski: thanks |
| [22:42:50] | ftp4: | what is bootsplash? |
| [22:43:07] | Juski: | how you guys will laugh at our attempts to decode 1080i MPEG4 when the UK finally gets HDTV |
| [22:43:29] | Juski: | ftp4: bootsplash is a nice graphical bootup screen |
| [22:43:36] | stuarta: | we've got a few years yet Juski |
| [22:43:44] | mmead: | Juski: why is that? |
| [22:43:45] | Juski: | pretty pointless, but prettier than all the scrolling text ;-) |
| [22:44:27] | Juski: | mmead: mpeg4 needs more CPU juice to decode than mpeg2, so if a top end system can hardly cope with mpeg2 HDTV, God help us :-P |
| [22:44:40] | mmead: | Juski: tee hee |
| [22:44:54] | Juski: | but as stuarta pointed out, there'll no doubt be much beefier CPUs by the time we get HD anyway |
| [22:45:06] | mmead: | Juski: I partially got this amd64 hardware thinking these channels could not be decoded by my previous hardware (athlon xp 1733mhz) |
| [22:45:13] | stuarta: | maybe they'll provide some assisting cpu's... |
| [22:45:17] | Juski: | and maybe (!) some real hardware assist for mpeg4 |
| [22:45:20] | mmead: | Juski: the old hardware did just fine on the 720p fox/abc I've been watching |
| [22:45:28] | ** stuarta SNAP! ** | |
| [22:45:30] | mmead: | Juski: hardware assist on mpeg4 would be great |
| [22:46:00] | Juski: | mmead: so maybe the problem channels are 1080i – it'd be a reasonable assumption if everything else is ok |
| [22:46:37] | Juski: | if they're letterboxed then chances are they're only upscaled material anyway :-/ |
| [22:46:53] | mmead: | Juski: right, but during primetime they are HD that doesn't work either |
| [22:47:14] | mmead: | Juski: it would surprise me greatly if the athlon 64 at 2.5Ghz and nvidia couldn't do it |
| [22:47:17] | Juski: | primetime! smells of 1080, for sure |
| [22:47:21] | mmead: | going to try xvmc real quick |
| [22:47:23] | mmead: | Juski: heh |
| [22:47:31] | mmead: | Juski: everything else I've found primetime is 720p |
| [22:49:23] | glen__: | roger55: blah can't find it. i'll just nuvexport the video and use mplayer -vo x11 afterwards to make single picture shot |
| [22:50:42] | Juski: | glen__: just use mplayer anyway.. no need to export it |
| [22:51:41] | glen__: | Juski: it crashes when i attempt to play .nuv |
| [22:51:57] | glen__: | Juski: it crashes for .nuv |
| [22:52:00] | glen__: | Juski: it crashes |
| [22:52:06] | glen__: | for playing .nuv files |
| [22:52:19] | Juski: | eew... framegrabber recordings eh? |
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| [22:52:26] | mmead: | Juski: ok, I recorded and played with mplayer |
| [22:52:29] | Juski: | so you will need to be exporting |
| [22:52:32] | mmead: | Juski: it was a 720p signal |
| [22:52:43] | mmead: | Juski: I also moved my antenna a bit and it started working properly – so signal errors |
| [22:52:47] | glen__: | Juski: yes, that's what nuvexport does |
| [22:53:13] | Juski: | I'm aware of what nuvexport does – I just daftly assumed you had a proper tuner card ;-) |
| [22:53:27] | glen__: | Juski: noh, have some old card ;) |
| [22:53:43] | kormoc: | you can use mplayer to play nuv files fine with a patch |
| [22:53:45] | Juski: | ahhh.. oh well.. happy grabbing :-) |
| [22:53:52] | mmead: | Juski: heh, yes |
| [22:53:59] | Juski: | anyway time for bed. night all |
| [22:54:01] | glen__: | Encode lasted: 46s |
| [22:54:10] | mmead: | Juski: take care |
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| [22:57:34] | ftp4: | is anyone here familir with getpvr.pl? when you run it, it needs a url. i cannot find what url to put in the blank |
| [22:59:16] | bio_: | is there a way to get 2 consecutive shows being recorded on the same tuner? |
| [23:00:24] | kormoc: | bio_, no |
| [23:00:57] | bio_: | probably will, if i take the second card out of my setup? |
| [23:01:54] | kormoc: | bio_, well, you can tell it to perfer a tuner for a channel, adn then it would have a much higher chance of doing so |
| [23:02:36] | bio_: | the problem actually is i have 2 tuners, i has no hardware encoder and worse quality |
| [23:03:08] | bio_: | so id like consecutive shows (on the same channel) to be recorded with the good card |
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| [23:03:45] | bio_: | but also with setting prerecord and afterrecord to 0, he still switches the second show to second tuner |
| [23:04:20] | kormoc: | right now, I don't think there's any real good way to do that |
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| [23:04:56] | bio_: | what would happen when i deactivate second tuner (or even remove it from the pc) |
| [23:05:32] | bio_: | wouldnt that force him or would he simply not record? |
| [23:05:59] | xris: | bio_: depends on the settings.... |
| [23:06:18] | xris: | pre/post roll is optional, "begin early" and "end late" hard-code the show length long, so it'd conflict. |
| [23:08:13] | bio_: | so setting begin early and end late in the settings menu for recording to 0 should do the job, right? |
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| [23:08:55] | bio_: | sorry for not just trying, but cant alter config atm and dont want to wait for 2 consecutive shows tomorrow |
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| [23:20:32] | xris: | bio_: yes |
| [23:21:25] | xris: | those two fields basically hard-code the show start/end time earlier/later and will force conflicts.. the pre/post roll stuff in the global settings are an optional X seconds that myth will record before/after the show if there isn't anything else on. |
| [23:21:55] | xris: | but if you have two tuners, myth will always try to do both of those things, which pushes recordings to the second tuner. |
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| [23:22:57] | bio_: | yeah, thats what i actually thought |
| [23:24:54] | bio_: | anyway what im really missing is (independent of channel/show prioritys) to assign recordings to specific tuners |
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| [23:35:42] | xris: | bio_: yeah. oft-requested feature... can't do it yet. |
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| [23:44:36] | bio_: | :) |
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| [23:46:38] | bio_: | any c-coder with a bit of sparetime online? |
| [23:47:25] | RaYmAn-Bx: | you seem to keep asking that =P |
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| [23:47:59] | RaYmAn-Bx: | you could just learn C yourself instead of waiting forever for someone to respond and offer :P |
| [23:48:07] | bio_: | hrhr |
| [23:48:16] | Anduin: | bio_ – The all hang out in the C channel. |
| [23:48:26] | bio_: | yeah, youre actually right, but that minor task is not worth the effort |
| [23:48:34] | Beirdo: | 777499390584 |
| [23:48:39] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [23:48:44] | Beirdo: | wrong window, sorrt |
| [23:48:45] | bio_: | anduin: well, its actually mythtv-related |
| [23:48:56] | RaYmAn-Bx: | bio_: can you really be sure it's minor if you don't know C? :P |
| [23:48:59] | bio_: | credit-card number? ^^ |
| [23:49:07] | bio_: | well i know java |
| [23:49:08] | ** Anduin copies down Beirds credit card number, waits for the expiration date ** | |
| [23:50:08] | bio_: | ah, i guess beirdo is using his barcode scanner again |
| [23:50:15] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [23:50:24] | Beirdo: | and forgot to switch windows |
| [23:50:32] | Beirdo: | stupid me |
| [23:50:50] | Beirdo: | scanning CDs and tossing the jewel cases as I put em into a 244-CD carry case |
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