Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

OOOOh

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Beirdo:

hadn't thought of that

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Beirdo:

and CDs

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Beirdo:

nice

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Merlin831:

Beirdo: Google Delicious Library :-)

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eiggirC:

Beirdo: amazon doesn't do porn though, so its no good for 95% of your DVDs

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scopeuk:

birdos off

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eiggirC:

:)

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Beirdo:

hahaah

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Beirdo:

I don't have any pr0n DVDs

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scopeuk:

next heel be scannign in his wifes shopping and having the spending graphed

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

not wife yet

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eiggirC:

scopeuk: xanadu did that in the 1980s

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scopeuk:

ok

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scopeuk:

lol

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Beirdo:

and that would be hard as she's 2000 miles away

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scopeuk:

yeh could be awkward

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eiggirC:

Beirdo: long-range laser barcode scanner you need mmmmm

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scopeuk:

easier when rfid goes main stream

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** scopeuk is predicting a huge rise in muggings of people carrying home expensive items **

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scopeuk:

eiggirC lol yeh

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scopeuk:

read a barcode on the moon :D

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Niklas_E:

what is xmltvid?

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scopeuk:

its a channel id as used by xmltv

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scopeuk:

which xmltv grabber are you using?

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scopeuk:

sweden ok

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scopeuk:

Niklas_E where do you need it?

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Niklas_E:

umm, lets see tv.swedb.se

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scopeuk:

tv_grab_se_swedb

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Niklas_E:

yeah

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scopeuk:

what do you want the id for?

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Bumbaclot:

can anyone tell me how to fix issues with mythfilldatabase using the wrong timezone offset?

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Niklas_E:

to make my mythfilldatabase work

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scopeuk:

Niklas_E

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scopeuk:

tv_grab_se_swedb

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scopeuk:

have you tried tv_grab_se_swedb --configure

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scopeuk:

as root

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Niklas_E:

yeah one

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Niklas_E:

not as root

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Kelerion:

evening all

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Beirdo:

1405005718

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Beirdo:

hehe

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scopeuk:

Niklas_E its taken me 2 wees to get round to fixing mine properly

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scopeuk:

jsut did it

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Beirdo:

barcode scanner's cool

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Beirdo:

:)

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Niklas_E:

ah ;)

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scopeuk:

scan your hair see what happens

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Beirdo:

that's the ISBN of the book I'm reading

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scopeuk:

Niklas_E just did mine again it has 2 weeks stored in it from initial setup

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Niklas_E:

lets see

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scopeuk:

i jsut redid the config file and sorted it (fingers crossed"

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scopeuk:

Beirdo scan yor head with it

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Beirdo:

I don't have stripes on my head, I'm not a zebra

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scopeuk:

you not ave hair ?

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scopeuk:

no offnce if you dont

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

not much

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Beirdo:

and it needs to be buzzed again

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

could use a lense and go barcode scan zebrahs on safari

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scopeuk:

culd be entertaining

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hello_man:

guys..is there any step by step guide to install mythtv on debian?

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bio_:

you could compile it manually and use the instrcutions from the mythtv-site

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Daluv_:

I wonder why there is nothing in the Guide section

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Daluv_:

do I have have to enalbe channels or something like that?

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Daluv_:

mythfilldatabase has worked successfully,,

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Niklas_E:

mine too after a lot of messing

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Niklas_E:

(for 1 tv source just the other one left

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Niklas_E:

)

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scopeuk:

Niklas_E glad to hear it worked

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scopeuk:

you do know you have to alt tab out of setup to the console to configure your grabber right?

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Niklas_E:

well I did that one time at the begining but I did the error running mythfilldatabase without --manual so I had to do some way with --grab_option "--option /...../channels.xmltv

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Niklas_E:

"

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Niklas_E:

and the go and erase the double channels

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Niklas_E:

now I just have to make the EPG for astra to work too

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phar0e:

HiyO!

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Bumbaclot:

can anyone tell me how to fix issues with mythfilldatabase using the wrong timezone offset?

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MindHack:

now thats the best damn signoff Ive ever seen

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bio_:

http://amd.co.at/bio/question.png <-- despite its uglyness, which buttons would be missing for a myth-remotecontrol and how would you lay them out?

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phar0e:

buttons for jumping ahead 10 minutes and back 10 minutes? pgup pgdown, and if your cutlists are good then keys for jumping to next/previous cutpoint

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bio_:

whats pageup/down for?

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phar0e:

I'm pretty sure it's Jump Forward/Backwards 10 minutes

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bio_:

ah, k

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phar0e:

maybe not too important, but can be if you don't have cutlists

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phar0e:

and of course if you plan to edit cutlists manually you'll need a few more buttons too

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bio_:

maybe thats going to far, like buttons for colours, etc.

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sean33:

dose xine have a mode to drive 7.1 even when its only stereo ?

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lt_kije:

so i've successfully channel-scanned in the channel editor, but there are no entries in dvb_channel

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lt_kije:

the frontend borks when trying to watch TV, since it can't get channel information (AFAICT)

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lt_kije:

i'm using a pcHDTV HD-3000 on Ubuntu 5.10 x86

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lt_kije:

myth .18

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lt_kije:

is there a different/more appropriate way to get myth to see channels?

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bjoldfield:

Hello?

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roger55:

mythfilldatabase grabbed but made up it's own thing. see http://rafb.net/paste/results/CiAqcj58.html

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[frank]:

hello all.

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roger55:

I have no idea why it did that as I had specifically looked up the chanids manually in the datebase when I ran mythfilldatabase --manual

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roger55:

so is there a way to fix this?

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bjoldfield:

hello?

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roger55:

hi

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lt_kije:

the channel editor should be adding entries to the database (tables channel, dvb_channel, etc) after a successful scan, right?

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Beirdo:

fug

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Beirdo:

stupid bar code reader won't read the supplemental digits on this one book

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Beirdo:

it read them ONCE

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Beirdo:

071009006959

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Beirdo:

oops

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Beirdo:

wrong window

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Beirdo:

heh

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Octane:

anyone here with an audigy able to get center speaker in a 5.1 system working

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dtm:

Octane: hehe i was looking for you about setting up my sblive, but then i destroyed the hardware by shorting it out ;)

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Octane:

dtm: i just went ahead and got an audigy instead... but that doesnt work either. shit :)

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Octane:

only 25 buck son ebay

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Octane:

:)

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dtm:

Octane: what do you mean by 'just'? what was wrong with the sblive?

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Octane:

dtm: i thought it was the card, so i bought an audigy 2 value on ebay

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dtm:

what was the problem

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Octane:

no center speaker output

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dtm:

i just got two different episodes of the same show (different titles) but with the same content.

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dtm:

i suppose it was another zap2it bug.

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dtm:

they also swap certain episodes of Family Guy and Futurama.

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dtm:

not infrequently

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lt_kije:

still working on getting mythtv to recognize my channels; now, after dropping the old DB and re-scanning, i see that there are six entries in mythconverg.channel

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lt_kije:

that's a start

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lt_kije:

let's see if i can get xmltv ids in there, too

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MindHack:

is there a way to retain commflaging when I transcode? Do I just re-commflag it?

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Anduin:

Why aren't you transcoding them out?

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MindHack:

I guess I'll start doing that

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MindHack:

but im concerned about the accuracy iof the commflagging

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MindHack:

my only interest in transcoding is to allow me to retain more recordings for longer period of time, but Im still on'y viewing each once before deletion

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Anduin:

There was some talk about potentially keeping bookmarks across a transcode, same basic thing, so there is hope one day.

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MindHack:

excellent

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MindHack:

I guess I assumed I just had some option turned off

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MindHack:

I think myth has spoiled me, Ive still got recordings in there from 6 months ago ;)

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Anduin:

Get a smaller hdd

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MindHack:

wow, thats the last peice of advice Id ever expect to hear;) but perfectly sensible

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MindHack:

maybe instead, I'll just load the drive with thousands of files filled with urandom printout

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MindHack:

In fact, I should write a program that does just that, submit it to freshmeat, call it "the cruftilizer"

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Anduin:

rip you DVD collection to save disc load times, no space left

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MindHack:

haha, yeah, already did that, guess I should have done higher quality rips

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Anduin:

Use ISO

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MindHack:

ISO?

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MindHack:

ah, you mean just rip the 8gig iso raw?

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MindHack:

do you do that?

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Anduin:

almost never

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Anduin:

but I don't have too much disk space

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MindHack:

I was gonna say...:).....although Im sure there are people with multi-terabyte raid clusters that they are using for myth

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Shape_awy:

anybody using a plextor convertx in myth?

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dtm:

have, i have 8.5GB free atm .. the most i've seen in months

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dtm:

i'm trying to back up and migrate my mythtv mysql db between hosts.

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dtm:

[dtm@ChromaKey dtm]$ mysqldump -u mythtv --password=mythtv --opt mythconverg > /mnt/dtm/mythconverg.db

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dtm:

mysqldump: Got error: 1016: Can't open file: 'people.MYD'. (errno: 145) when using LOCK TABLES

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dtm:

OH CRAP ... SECURITY BREACH

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** dtm scrambles to change password **

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dtm:

okay so what's the deal there? shall i shut down mythbackend first?

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dtm:

no good.

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cfreeze:

I've had lots of problems playing dvd's. Some play for a few seconds (get past the FBI warning screen) then quit, others don't even play, still others play without problems. What makes this confusing is that a single DVD may go through all of these phases. Is there a dvd tips page or something better than xine to use or could I be doing something else different to get more reliable results?

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dtm:

i'll figger out how to rebuild a mysql 3 db

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dtm:

i assume that it's no big deal to migrate an existing mythtv db from a mysql 3 host to a mysql 4 host

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you got a moment?

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dtm:

SlicerDicer-: herroew

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dtm:

SlicerDicer-: i'm attempting to avoid your previous tragedy sir

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SlicerDicer-:

hello dtm

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

good luck

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dtm:

attempting to back up mysql ; dont know why i can't.

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SlicerDicer-:

dtm: dunno

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SlicerDicer-:

I use phpmyadmin for that makes it really easy to modify things and what not

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SlicerDicer-:

importing of database I do via terminal but everything else I do pretty much witht hat

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dtm:

k

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dtm:

ok i had a bunch of mysql errors corrected by mysqlcheck but mysqldump still fails.

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SPiTFiRE:

Hey having a bit of trouble compiling mythtv stable (0.19) on Ubuntu Breezy 64.

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SPiTFiRE:

My error is : /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../lib64/libdts.a(parse.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

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SPiTFiRE:

any ideas?

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SPiTFiRE:

I've trawled the list but one guy who had the same problem received no answers

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SPiTFiRE:

Anyone awake?

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Cardoe:

Spida: use -fPIC

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k-man:

is there some trick to getting xmame to work with mythtv 0.19?

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k-man:

and mythgame

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phar0e:

my hardware squeals, is that bad?

[06:12:22]

phar0e:

I mean harddrive

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eiggirC:

phar0e: probably.

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eiggirC:

phar0e: do back up NOW, and get it replaced under warranty if you can

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eiggirC:

don't wait

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phar0e:

that isn't what I wanted to hear :(

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eiggirC:

its your data – do a backup now

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eiggirC:

and it will probably run fine for 10 years more

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phar0e:

it's not important data

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eiggirC:

murphy being alive and well.

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phar0e:

that'd be cool if I can get xvmc working before it dies

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Shape:

i dont see the video for linux section in kernel 2.6.15

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Shape:

nm i found them

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hello_man:

guys.. hw do I install mythtb

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hello_man:

I have compiled it

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hello_man:

and generated lot of *.deb packages

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hello_man:

what order to follow it any?

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spitfire_aus:

Cardoe, I have tried to add the -FPIC to CXXFLAG and CFLAG using the configure script with no joy

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spitfire_aus:

Any other ideas?

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spitfire_aus:

hello_man, i'm not sure what you mean?

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spitfire_aus:

Anyone successfully compiled mythtv on ubuntu 64?

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hello_man:

I have compiled using Christian Marillat's pakcages

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hello_man:

now how do i install it?

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spitfire_aus:

you shouldn't need to compile it if your using the packages should you?

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spitfire_aus:

isn't it just a matter of adding the repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list then going apt-get install mythtv

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spitfire_aus:

Anyone else awake?

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hello_man:

well I did # apt-get build-dep mythtv

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hello_man:

# apt-get source mythtv --compile

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Shape:

anybody using a plextor convertx in myth?

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spitfire_aus:

ah right

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spitfire_aus:

I'm not sure but i thought you could just apt-get install it?

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spitfire_aus:

I haven't actually installed from binaries before

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hello_man:

Is knoppmyth any better??

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shiznix:

better than.... ??

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spitfire_aus:

well it'll work out of the box so i'll be easier for you

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spitfire_aus:

what you using at the moment?

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Anduin:

spitfire_aus – what is bringing in libdts.a?

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spitfire_aus:

don't know?!

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spitfire_aus:

I'm compiling with dvb

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spitfire_aus:

that's probably where it get's pulled in

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spitfire_aus:

Actually

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spitfire_aus:

HDTV only should use Dolby Digital so I don't know where DTS is coming from?

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spitfire_aus:

any ideas Anduin

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Anduin:

spitfire_aus – Ah I see it now (where).

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spitfire_aus:

yeah?

[07:13:01]

spitfire_aus:

Where is it getting pulled in?

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spitfire_aus:

What does that error mean? Cause I seem to have the -fPIC flag?

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spitfire_aus:

Am i missing some libraries?

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Anduin:

libs/libavcodec/libavcodec.pro

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spitfire_aus:

ah right

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Anduin:

spitfire_aus – The error means you'd need -fPIC when compiling the dts lib

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spitfire_aus:

ahh right

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spitfire_aus:

so i need to recompile the dts lib?!

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Anduin:

spitfire_aus – A quick google and it looks like you may be able to use -ldts_pic

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spitfire_aus:

oo really?

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Anduin:

I'd look for dts_pic first

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spitfire_aus:

I envy your googling skills =P I found nothing heh

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Anduin:

I found nothing specific to this problem.

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spitfire_aus:

Ok

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spitfire_aus:

so should I look for the dts_pic library?

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spitfire_aus:

Or should it be included?

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Anduin:

See if it is there, try using it, pretty easy (I'm assuming it is there entirely from summary hits on google)

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spitfire_aus:

what is the pic thing anyway?

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spitfire_aus:

nice

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Anduin:

position independent code

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spitfire_aus:

Ahh right

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spitfire_aus:

so no hard jump points?

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Anduin:

That is the idea.

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spitfire_aus:

or am I way off track?

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spitfire_aus:

ah nice

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spitfire_aus:

ok I have the lib

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spitfire_aus:

/usr/lib/libdts_pic.a

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spitfire_aus:

how do I include it instead of the normal one?

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Anduin:

edit libavcodec.pro

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Anduin:

Though it seems weird that you'd be the first one hitting this.

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spitfire_aus:

must not be many peeps compiling on an AMD?

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spitfire_aus:

I can't find much info in general about it?

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spitfire_aus:

I shouldn't need to make clean right?

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spitfire_aus:

As it seems to be working ok now?

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Anduin:

I've seen a few people using them, not sure about that + the DVB stuff though.

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spitfire_aus:

Hrm right

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spitfire_aus:

I'm running a pretty clean ubuntu install

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spitfire_aus:

eg i installed it today

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spitfire_aus:

just did a apt-get build-dep mythtv

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spitfire_aus:

a few other libs? (for some reason mysql wasn't installed with the build-dep)

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spitfire_aus:

I would have thought someone else would have run into it?

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Anduin:

Well, it isn't fixed yet, so no telling.

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spitfire_aus:

Worth posting a bug about?

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spitfire_aus:

heh true

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spitfire_aus:

Seems to be compiling ok now

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spitfire_aus:

not that it's finished yet OR working heh

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Anduin:

I'd complain on the ML first.

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spitfire_aus:

ok cool

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spitfire_aus:

Thanks heaps for your help, I so didn't want to have to install Ubuntu32 and waste my 64 processor =P

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riksta:

ohhh i see libfreemheg in the svn tree

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riksta:

exciting

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Shape:

anybody using a plextor convertx in myth?

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hello_man:

guys,,

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hello_man:

what does it take to compile mythtv manually?

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xris:

hello_man: a compiler

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Calroth:

the prerequisites are listed on the web site

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endre_:

how can i update the mythmusic database?

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endre_:

it is pretty outdated for now

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eskil:

endre_, select "Scan for New Music" in the music menu.

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endre_:

can be done from commandline?

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endre_:

unfortunatelly i dont have access to gui at the moment

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endre_:

tnx anyway ;)

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hello_man:

when I select TV, I only get blank screen and now I can;t get out of it

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hello_man:

what can I do?

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eskil:

yeah, but only as a sideeffect... 1) delete all entries from the musicmetadata table using mysql, 2) restart mythfrontend with "mythmusic" as argument...

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Shape:

anybody remember how to fix the mysql.sock problem?

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endre_:

eskil: umm, tnx

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Niklas_E:

anyone know how I can get the xmltv id?

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spitfire_aus:

Niklas_E, if you do a mythfilldatabase i think it will add some channels (if no channels are added with the correct xmltv id's, these new channels will have the xmltv id's filled in

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Dibblah:

Oh no they won't.

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Dibblah:

Not properly, if you're using DVB, anyway.

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smeghead21:

anyone awake?

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spitfire_aus:

does in Aus Dibblah

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smeghead21:

I have a question about consecutive recordings on the same channel

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spitfire_aus:

Might just be how the tv_grab_au script does things though

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smeghead21:

basically if you have a free tuner then can you force myth to use the free tuner for the second recording since it seems to default to using the same for both

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spitfire_aus:

no idea sorry

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smeghead21:

ok. if you have a lead time for each recording of say 5 mins, then myth always cuts the first recording short by 5 mins and you end up with the last 5 mins of the first recording at the start of the second one – any solution to this?

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smeghead21:

am I the only one who has this problem then?

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smeghead21:

or have I missed something in the configuration?

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spitfire_aus:

sorry only have one tuner

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smeghead21:

found a patch for my problem

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smeghead21:

should be included in 0.20 hopefully

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Agrajag-:

does anyone happen to know if there's a reason for the Retro theme missing some images?

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pjn:

smeghead21: found that problem

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pjn:

I just manually set end times for the time being as a solution

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smeghead21:

yeah – global times are pretty much ignored, so you have to do it on a per program basis unless you apply the patch

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smeghead21:

if you are interested the patch is at http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/255

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Pitchin_uk:

i know its not mythrelated but how easy is it to compile a new kernel

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bio_:

well its just a "make"

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bio_:

but getting all the options included in the .config your system needs will probably need some recompiles

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Pitchin_uk:

bio_ – the reason i ask it to get my ipod mini working i have to change an option on the kernel and compile it

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bio_:

and some goolging

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bio_:

using the same kernel revision?

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bio_:

and do you have the .config of the existing kernel?

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bio_:

then i´d be easy

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Pitchin_uk:

where cam i find the config – im just tryong to find the web page that said which option i have to change

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Pitchin_uk:

CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION is the option i have to change

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Juski:

I've always just used menuconfig when I'm making my own kernel

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Pitchin_uk:

just reading my suse bible to help me through!! – morning juski btw

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Juski:

morning Pitchin_uk

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Juski:

I wouldn't have chosen suse if I wanted a customisable distro ;-)

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Juski:

should be do-able though

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Coume:

morning everyone :)

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laga:

hi guys

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Juski:

morning Coume, laga :)

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** Coume is ebay browsing to buy CPU + RAM + PVR... I'm not in a hurry, just need a good deal :) **

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Juski:

a good deal on Ebay? You'll be lucky

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Juski:

oh btw.. heads up for UK folks.. DVB-T tuner on special at Aldi this Thursday... http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/special_buys/product_114.html

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Coume:

they are some PVR500 around ?50 ATM... so I'm watching :)

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Juski:

how long left to go on them?

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Juski:

Ah. I see them. Search for completed auctions to see what the going rate is

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Coume:

not a bad idea :) let me browse completed auctions :)

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Juski:

hmmm there are two which closed at Â£82 – but they weren't brand new. I wouldn't pay that for 2nd hand

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Coume:

for second hand, I would go until ?70 including P&P

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Juski:

Â£6 postage?! You can send a 5kg package for that

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Coume:

yeah a bit expensive indeed

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Juski:

the ones at around Â£50 want Â£10 for postage! I hope you get a good price on them. I sent a VHS VCR for less than Â£8

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Juski:

you can buy two pvr150 cards from scan.co.uk for just over Â£80 ;-)

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Juski:

I'm gonna go get some breakfast.. bbl

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Coume:

but I lose on quality signal when splitting the antenna signal :/

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Pitchin_uk:

yay i can mount my ipod !!!

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Pitchin_uk:

what do i need to put in fstab to allow my user to write to my ipod

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Niklas_E:

is there any epg getter for mythtv?

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phar0e:

Helooooo

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phar0e:

Pitchin_uk: under the options column you'd put uid=user I think

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phar0e:

because normally it'd be 'mount -o uid=pitchin,gid=users /dev/DEVICE /mnt/PLACE' right?

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phar0e:

that would mount the device giving all rights to pitchin and users group. and i think the column between fstype and fs_check is the options column

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Hoxzer:

....

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Hoxzer:

ok, I lost my mind

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Hoxzer:

somebody here using 0.19-fixes (svn) version of mythtv?

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phar0e:

i'm not, but what's up? get it off your chest

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Hoxzer:

well I still aint getting EPG working

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Hoxzer:

and when I do scan I get "System fault" >_<

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Hoxzer:

how ever I manage to get channels wia channels.conf

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Hoxzer:

*via

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Hoxzer:

any ideas?

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Hoxzer:

Ok, I try to install older version of svn which worked last time

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: I know Ipods look sexy, but mounting it is going a bit far isn't it? ;-)

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Pitchin_uk:

yeah indeed

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Pitchin_uk:

im just smutten for their sleak design!! :)

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stuarta:

think I'm getting somewhere on these random crashes..

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orrin:

hello

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laga:

a buddy of mine who attended cebit has just told me that club3d is gonna make openchrome graphic boards. he says they're called 'S20' and 'S27'

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orrin:

Is someone able to help me with a mythtv install issue?

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orrin:

mythtv-setup complains libmp3lame isn't installed, but it does seem to be....

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orrin:

does anyone have experience with suse 10 + mythtv?

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laga:

www.mythonsuse.org prolly

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orrin:

excellent.

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fozi:

stuarta: fine, can you share your findings?

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stuarta:

fozi: seems to be in the memory management inside pespacket

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stuarta:

found that pes_alloc is sometimes returning rubbish, which then kills the following memcpy

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stuarta:

#mythtv?

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fozi:

ok

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laga:

https://s3gstore.s3graphics.com/ – you can buy deltachrome cards here. they're rather expensive, though, and pci-express only :/

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fir3st0rm:

hi

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fir3st0rm:

how can i set mozilla-mplayer up to play .nuv files?

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Coume:

erm... I'm wondering one thing... My backend is configured to access the mysql DB which is set up on IP 192.168.0.2 – In every config file, I use 192.168.0.2 ... so it is normal when I start the backend to have it connecting on mysql @ 127.0.0.1

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tfm:

check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Coume:

thxs tfm the 127.0.0.1 was indeed there *dumb me*

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tfm:

;)

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drdaz_:

hey there... where is mythweb's protocol version defined?

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fir3st0rm:

is there a browser plugin that plays .nuv files?

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GreyFoxx:

drd: ummmm include/mythbackend.php I think

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drdaz_:

yes :) thx... just found it

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drdaz_:

anybody here finding that chromakeyOSD is causing jerkiness? especially when sliding the OSD off the screen but also when raising and lowering volume...

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roam:

should signal/noise be low or high?

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drdaz_:

roam: I'd imagine you'd want high signal and less noise..

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drdaz_:

so... signal/noise should be high

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defi_:

Is there anything special needed to maker the mythdvd plugin detect dvd insertion and swith to mythdvd?

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defi_:

I have all the settings checked

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drdaz_:

I'd like to know just what makes that tick myself... I had it working for a while but have no idea what I did to cause it, nor what stopped it

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defi_:

did you just check the two boxes and thats it or did you do something else

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drdaz_:

actually... I set my optical drive to be user-mountable in fstab now I think of it

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defi_:

I can use the drive no problem, but don't know whether its user-mountable; I just set the permissions in /dev

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drdaz_:

and I had to change that back since something started automatically mounting all my optical disks so I couldnt eject them again

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drdaz_:

to make it user mountable you add the word 'user' to the drive's line in fstab

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: looks like we've finally found the culprit

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defi_:

drdaz_ gotcha

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roam:

I can't watch tv or record anything.

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roam:

but the eip data are getting read.

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roam:

I usually get a DVB#0 ERROR – DVBChannel::Tune: Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed. (75) Value too large for defined data type

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roam:

in the backend log

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Gurft:

Anyone around?

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stuarta:

i'm not

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Juski:

nor am I

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Coume:

argh... I have just been out-bidded on ebay... dammit, it was for my friend birthday! rhhhhhhhh.

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Juski:

Coume: buggers!

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Coume:

yeah.. I bidded 15s before the end... and someone bidded simulteanously with an higher offer...

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** stuarta thinks he is a fish **

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Coume:

ok, enought ebay for today... let's go back to Rugby watching :) Allez la France !

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stuarta:

I'm recording it to watch later with the GF

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bio_:

is 11mbit wireless fast enough to watch tv over a myth-frontend?

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Coume:

stuarta, GF likes rugby?

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stuarta:

Coume: yep, drinks beer too :)

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Coume:

eheh good pick ;)

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** stuarta is a very lucky man **

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drdaz_:

bio_: it can be... it depends on the bitrate of your video stream

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Coume:

stuarta, can't say the opposite.. everything is logged here ;) eheh

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bio_:

hm, maybe i should test. maximum i said in the settings is 10k

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drdaz_:

generally speaking tho, 22Mbit (b+) or g is better...

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stuarta:

hehehe...

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drdaz_:

ok... no chance then

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drdaz_:

you're welcome to try of course :)

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bio_:

hehe

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bio_:

yeah, gonna test it. would like to mount a notebook to the kitchenwall, so cooking is not that boring :)

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drdaz_:

lol

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stuarta:

damn i record some shocking things.....

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defi_:

I'm gonna use a learning remote and wireless keyboard; any recomendations on the remote?

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Juski:

jesus my car's main stealer wants Â£250 to fix & paint each door mirror.. ack!

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Juski:

defi_: don't buy a One For All if you wanna learn many buttons ;-)

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defi_:

Juski are you talking about the brand or type of remote?

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Juski:

defi_: the brand

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defi_:

ok

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defi_:

I want one that you can learn almost every button

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defi_:

and has the abillity for macros

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Juski:

you might have better luck getting a Logitech Harmony

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Juski:

they're fugly IMHO but have loads of buttons & as for macros... :-O

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defi_:

I keep reading about those but for some reason I keep passing them over

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defi_:

They actaully have Mythtv listed in their compatibillity

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defi_:

That alone should've made me want to support them

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Juski:

you can customise them to the hilt

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defi_:

They learn also?

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Juski:

as for wireless keyboards – I've not seen many cheapish (as in < Gyraton) with a useful range

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Juski:

defi_: no, but you name the device & it has support for it

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defi_:

Even wireless keyboards?

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Juski:

and their tech support is apparently so good that if a device isn't supported it can be

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Juski:

defi_: how many IR wireless keyboards are there anyway?

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defi_:

lots I thought?

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defi_:

Dont tell me there rf?

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Juski:

RF ones are much more common

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defi_:

I have a logitech keyboard and it suffers line of site so im thinking it ir

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Juski:

well, does it have a little window on the back?

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Juski:

one way to find out would be to point a digital camera / camcorder at it & press the keys

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defi_:

lol so simple... no

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Juski:

if you see a flashing dot, it's IR

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Juski:

camera phone?

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defi_:

I wont even tell you my major now

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Juski:

I thought I was the only person on planet Earth whose mobile phone didn't take photos :-P

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defi_:

Mine dosen't

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defi_:

blackberry

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

is that a phone in your pocket.. (etc) ;-)

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defi_:

So is the harmony an rf/ir?

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defi_:

blackberry?

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Juski:

defi_: IR only unless you buy the super-duper model

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defi_:

so I have to get lirc going then?

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Juski:

probably

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Juski:

lirc isn't so hard

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defi_:

shit

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defi_:

jsut thought I was at the end of the config stuff

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Juski:

lirc's usually the last on the list

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Juski:

don't believe the hype – it's pretty easy

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defi_:

the pvr-150 has an input for the ir correct?

[15:56:38]

defi_:

so I just need the dongle

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Juski:

yes but it'll only accept Hauppauge RC-5 protocol

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defi_:

is that a bad thing?

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Juski:

if your remote can't do it, yes it's a bad thing

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defi_:

ohh lol

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Juski:

another thing about RF wireless keyboards

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Juski:

the chances of getting an RF remote to work with one are virtually nil

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defi_:

ok good to know

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Juski:

unless you're gonna be in another room, IR is good enough

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defi_:

man I would have been pissed next weekend when I bought all the stuff and it didn't work

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Juski:

I can use my OFA6 like 10metres away – more or less line of sight but I'm happy enough with it

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defi_:

so whats the best way to go about an ir adapter?

[15:59:01]

defi_:

make one?

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Juski:

only snag is that it could do with some more buttons

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Juski:

making one is easy if you can solder

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defi_:

whats the interface, pci?

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Juski:

serial

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Juski:

if you've got a serial port spare you're sorted

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defi_:

let me check

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defi_:

ok theres a spare one

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defi_:

I assume I can get everything at radio shack

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Juski:

all you need is.. a 1n4141 diode, a 1k resistor, an IR receiver chip (3 legged version), a 78L05 regulator and a 9-way 'D' connector

[16:03:34]

Juski:

http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html

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fir3st0rm:

how do i set up mythbrowser?

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roam:

can you recommend an usb dvb-t card?

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Juski:

nope. I'd not recommend a USB anything

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drdaz_:

anybody here finding that chromakeyOSD is causing jerkiness? especially when sliding the OSD off the screen but also when raising and lowering volume...

[16:16:04]

drdaz_:

this is 0.19 fixes

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drdaz_:

a friend of mine has a USB mug warmer... kinda smart

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drdaz_:

can't recommend that either tho since it doesn't warm his mug that well :-/

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skipjack:

hello ;)

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skipjack:

must I install the alsa-kmdl and the nvidia-kmdl versions of the drivers? or can use the livna alsa and nvidia drivers ?

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Shape:

anybody running a plextor convertx?

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Anduin:

Shape – Have you tried the ML?

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Shape:

have no idea what that is

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Anduin:

The mail list, many more eyes, and at this point possibly quicker.

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Shape:

yeah, but i did find my problem

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mishehu:

Anduin: heh, never noticed you were a myth user.

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Shape:

myth is no finding my input for it

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mishehu:

just thought you hung around c++

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Anduin:

mishehu – I rarely visit -users

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mishehu:

Anduin: you a dev?

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Anduin:

No.

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mishehu:

just don't like to talk about myth eh

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Anduin:

-users has even more chatter than ##C++, plus it is filled with user questions

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Juski:

the users ML is mostly lame posts about which hardware will work with what, which email client people use... lame, lame & lamer still

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Juski:

mostly OT, which is how it's supposed to be ;-)

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Anduin:

Which makes it almost impossible to help there without devoting a lot more time.

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Juski:

anyway Shape: what do you want to know about the convertx?

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Juski:

lots of people use em successfully AFAIK

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mishehu:

hmm I don't pay too much attention to #c++, or even here... too damn busy.

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]BreliC[:

is anyone here using a WinTV PVR 150 with model=26132, rev=C599 ??

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Niklas_E:

if you get (LAm) not (LAM) on the EPG channel, is it to week signal or should it be LAm?

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Niklas_E:

on a dvb-s

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defi_:

In a frontendonly setup I can access all my tv recordings on the master backend but I can't access videos or music; any odeas?

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Niklas_E:

set the direktory for media?

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defi_:

yes

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Niklas_E:

in the frontend?

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defi_:

yup

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Niklas_E:

and you have access to the dir too?

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defi_:

hmm...

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defi_:

am i accessing it through the master backend or through the pc with the frontend on it?

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Niklas_E:

thought the frontend I think

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defi_:

ok

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defi_:

ill check perms then

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Anduin:

defi_ – You need to use something like NFS to share the files someplace the frontend can see.

[18:09:32]

defi_:

Anduin yeah thats how I set it up

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defi_:

I think i solved it

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defi_:

I added myself to the correct groups but never logged to set them

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defi_:

Do I have to logout just to update my groups list?

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baumer:

does dvd ripping work from a remote frontend to an smb share

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baumer:

I am getting an error "Error: could not create directory called..." even though the directory exists and is 777

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eidolon:

afternoon folks.

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eidolon:

has anyone had any experience iwth an nVidia P117 card? it's apaprently a low profile PCI-Express card that'll fit in my Dell GX260 to replace the cheezy I810 vid board i have now. i see it on ebay cheap (like $10), but i don't know diddly about it. It is DVI and S-Video out though.

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eidolon:

huh. maybe it isn't PCIe.

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** Coume just discovered that his old PVR350 secam *may* be supporting PAL... **

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Juski:

good evening

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Coume:

good evening Juski, I discovered my old PVR350 seems to be PAL-I even if it was not written on the box :)

[19:28:54]

orrin:

anyone run mythtv on suse 10?

[19:29:01]

orrin:

I'm having major issues..

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Juski:

Coume: a lot of tuners are actually capable of europe-wide standards ;-) As you have found out

[19:29:39]

orrin:

isn't europe using dvbt now?

[19:30:03]

Juski:

I ordered my replacement door mirrors today.. looking forward to getting my car back to its former glory :-)

[19:30:19]

Juski:

orrin: yes but analogue is still being broadcast for a few years yet

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hello_man:

guys.. I get no display in livetv

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Coume:

Juski, but I was 99% sure that the PVR-350 model 992 was only Secam and PAL B/G (not PAL I) and that they only added it to model 993

[19:30:40]

Juski:

though in Manchester, UK we're gonna lose analogue in 2008

[19:31:07]

Juski:

hello_man: have you tested your tuner card outside of mythtv?

[19:31:18]

orrin:

yep.

[19:31:22]

Coume:

Juski, lucky.. here in Luton you almost do not receive digital :) and I'm sure your porsche will look better with a second mirror

[19:31:25]

hello_man:

yes. in windows

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Juski:

hello_man: in windows? That's mostly irrelevant. You need to make sure it's working in Linux before trying mythtv with it

[19:32:14]

hello_man:

how can I do that?

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hello_man:

it detects all driver

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Juski:

hello_man: what kind of tuner card is it?

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hello_man:

and I mam using knoppmyth

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hello_man:

twinhan 102G

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Juski:

knoppmyth needs extra fiddling to get DVB tuners to work AFAIK

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hello_man:

any tips on what kind of fiddling

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – can i record off of bbc interactive??

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Juski:

hello_man: try in #knoppmyth

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hello_man:

ok

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: not BBCi, no

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: but you can record from 301, 302 etc (701, 702 ?) if there's guide data

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Pitchin_uk:

what channels are they??

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Juski:

erm...

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Juski:

701, 702, 703 etc

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Juski:

their names btw, not channel numbers ;-)

[19:36:05]

Pitchin_uk:

oh right i see

[19:36:27]

Pitchin_uk:

also last question – how can i get mythfilldatabase to automatically run

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Juski:

they're the channels the BBC put the 'interactive' bits onto

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: there's a tickbox in mythtv somewhere. can't remember if it's in mythtv-setup or not

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MindHack:

Pitchin_uk, use a cronjob, or much easier just have mythbackend do it

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Pitchin_uk:

can i use the --update switch

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orrin:

pitchen_uk: what distro are you using?

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MindHack:

update switch?

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MindHack:

haha, shows you how n00b I am

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Juski:

oh hell. cctv showing we've had about another inch of snow in the last 3 hours :-/

[19:38:49]

Juski:

Pitchin_uk: why the --update switch?

[19:39:32]

Juski:

ahhh --update

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Juski:

For running non-destructive updates on the database for

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Juski:

users in xmltv zones that do not provide channel data

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** Juski turns off his activity detection software. snow is causing a lot of log entries **

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orrin:

JUski; what linux distribution do you run mythtv on?

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orrin:

I'm trying to find one that works. suse10 x86_64 doesn't.....!

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Juski:

orrin: gentoo on the main backend, ubuntu on a testing system and minimyth for my frontend

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orrin:

is gentoo easy enough to setup?

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orrin:

setup with myth that is?

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Juski:

easy, yes.. quick, no

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MindHack:

gentoo has a learning curve, but the documentation is excellent

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orrin:

hmmn.

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Juski:

a total noob can follow the install docs and succeed. I did ;-)

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Gurft:

I'm 99% done setting up my Mythtv box, but for some reason it looks like Mythtv isnt' calling my cahnnel changing script at all....

[19:43:40]

orrin:

i'm really after something that just loads right up with mythtv

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Juski:

Gurft: have you put the full path of the script into the field in mythtv-setup ?

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Gurft:

any way to troubleshoot this? No messages of it trying to call the script in the log to the terminal....

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Gurft:

perl /usr/local/bin/change_channel.pl

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Juski:

orrin: depending on what you want, knoppmyth does the biz for some people

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Gurft:

works great as the mythtv user from the terminal. do I need to specify /usr/bin for perl?

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Juski:

Gurft: put a header in the script so you can run it just with /usr/local/bin/change_channel.pl – i.e. without needing to do the 'perl' bit – that might work

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Coume:

Have never tested the scanning function... it is working great and indeed my card is PAL-I

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orrin:

I'd rather a fullservice mainstream distribution

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: the best way if you wanna do a custom mythfilldatabase command is to use a cron job

[19:46:32]

orrin:

is fedora easy with mythtv?

[19:46:37]

Juski:

orrin: I got ubuntu & mythtv going in a little under 2 hours

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Juski:

fedora is fast emerging as lost in a sea of broken dependencies

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Gurft:

Juski, should it log somewhere that it's even trying to run the scripts?

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Juski:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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orrin:

that's the issue Im having with suse actually!

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bio_:

are mythfrontend and mythweb using different database tables? in frontend im missing some recordings, in mythweb they are there and they exist on the harddisk

[19:47:59]

orrin:

I'm sitting on my sofa in a really uncomfortable position trying to get mythtv running and it's really pissing me off now!

[19:48:16]

orrin:

I'll have a look at umbutu

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Gurft:

ahhh, looks like it's working, just complaining with irsend. PVR-150 has been giving me issues with the irblaster. will work it from that end.

[19:48:46]

Juski:

going from blank HDD to working basic mythtv system in under 2 hours isn't bad going

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orrin:

agreed.

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orrin:

how is software raid with umbuntu?

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Juski:

Coume: good to know the analogue scanning doozy works ;-)

[19:49:36]

Juski:

erm... I dunno

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orrin:

(only thing I need to setup--went a bit OTT with the old disk space and bought 1000gig)

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Juski:

ubuntu installs a big fat lvm by default – I've never used anything but the defaults before

[19:50:16]

Gurft:

Anyone dealt with the IR on PVR150 being really flaky? like, it works, then if you reboot it will not work again?

[19:50:30]

Gurft:

power down and back up and it'll be back in business?

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Juski:

Gurft: try asking the ivtv guys or looking at the ivtv mailing list

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Gurft:

Thanks

[19:51:02]

Juski:

some people have mentioned some bullshit about it needing a cold boot after it fails

[19:52:18]

Juski:

if that's what fixes it, there's no logical explanation for it. card registers shouldn't need their power removing for any period of time to clear them unless the hardware is really badly designed

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bio_:

anyone has an idea what the reason could be for missing recordings in the media library on the frontend, that are shown in mythweb?

[19:54:20]

Coume:

Juski, just wish I add a nice signal here... I can't wait to move out and have a digital or cable...

[19:54:52]

Juski:

bio_: change the recording group view and you'll be able to see them

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orrin:

I don't think I'll make the 2hour install time with Umbuntu, but I'm going to give it a crack. I can't stand watching tv on kaffeine.

[19:55:15]

orrin:

thanks for the help.

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Juski:

np orrin

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bio_:

is there a shortcut? otherwise i dont know, how it should have happened

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Juski:

orrin: www.abarbaccia.org – but bear in mind some of it will be out of date now with 0.19 being out

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orrin:

broken link?

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Juski:

bio_: press M when you're in the 'watch recordings' menu

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Juski:

http://www.abarbaccia.com/

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lane:

Hi all. I was wondering if anyone know what libfreemheg is. I'm trying to compile current svn of mythtv, and I'm getting a compile error of "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext" while make is trying to compile libfreemheg.

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lane:

google returns exactly zero results for "libfreemheg"

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lane:

and I don't see any mention of this problem on the mailing list, either

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Anduin:

lane – Read the dev list (what you are seeing has been reported)

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Juski:

lane: mheg is 'interactive' functionality of DVB broadcasts

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lane:

Anduin: thanks for the tip – I'll check the dev list

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lane:

juski: is that relevant for US ATSC broadcasts?

[20:00:12]

Juski:

yes folks, MHEG may be on its way to mythtv soon ;-)

[20:00:33]

Juski:

lane: I don't know. It could be related to DVB in general

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bio_:

damn. thanks juski

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lane:

Juski: a quick search makes me think that at least now, it's not relevant to US users

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bio_:

thought about something like a filter but didnt imagine there was really one

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mogorman:

hey

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mogorman:

is there anything you have to do to keep zap2it up todate?

[20:03:39]

mogorman:

other than have mythtv connected to internet

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mogorman:

and registered to zap2it

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xris:

mogorman: in the tv settings in the frontend, there's a section for it

[20:04:02]

mogorman:

i had some recordings the other day and all of them were off

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mogorman:

like said they were something and they were something else

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lane:

Anduin: dev list has no mention of libfreemheg

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lane:

mogorman: since I installed 0.19 the frontend setting hasn't worked for me either

[20:05:25]

mogorman:

well frontend has been fine so far

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mogorman:

im not sure if the channel was just wrong in what was there

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mogorman:

or if zap2it wasnt workinating

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Anduin:

lane – sorry commits

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Juski:

lane: search for mheg instead ;-)

[20:05:55]

Anduin:

lane – there is a ticket

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Anduin:

lane – looks like Chutt did it in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9329

[20:06:36]

Juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mheg;#189070

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lane:

aha

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lane:

so at this point is the recommended action to apply the patch linked off the trac ticket?

[20:09:21]

mogorman:

is there a setting to how frequently you check with zap2it?

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Anduin:

lane – just add the LIBS += $$EXTRA_LIBS

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lane:

Anduin: sorry... where does that go – in libfreemheg.pro?

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Anduin:

lane – Yes

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lane:

Anduin: thanks.

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rkulagow__:

xris: here?

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xris:

yup

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rkulagow__:

i'm using nuvexport svn – the SQL export option doesn't work if you tell it to not create a directory for the show; line 90 errors:

[20:16:48]

rkulagow__:

Now encoding: XX Olympic Winter Games: Luge, Skiing, Figure Skating

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rkulagow__:

Encode started: Sun Mar 12 11:21:18 2006

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rkulagow__:

Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/NUV_SQL.pm line 90, <STDIN> line 7.

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rkulagow__:

Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/NUV_SQL.pm line 90, <STDIN> line 7.

[20:16:50]

rkulagow__:

Can't create /1005_20060211140000.mpg.txt: Permission denied

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rkulagow__:

it's trying to create the file in the root

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xris:

rkulagow__: looks like the path setting isn't parsing properly

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rkulagow__:

even though during the prompts it does have the export directory

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rkulagow__:

correctly identified that i've set in the rc

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rkulagow__:

but if i say "yes, create the directory", it works

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lane:

Anduin: since mheg is only relevant for some ppl, perhaps there could be a --disable-mheg option in compile

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lane:

s/compile/configure

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xris:

rkulagow__: yeah, I'll need to poke at that

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rkulagow__:

ready for the next one?

[20:20:36]

rkulagow__:

sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''

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rkulagow__:

sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file

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rkulagow__:

Unrecognized mpeg stream type. Please execute the following and see if you

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rkulagow__:

notice errors (make sure that you don't have the "really quiet" option set

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rkulagow__:

in your mplayer config). If not, email the output to the nuvexport author.

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xris:

so what stream type does it show?

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rkulagow__:

i accidentally ran the mythpretty script a long time ago and it converted mythfilenames to human names

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rkulagow__:

the above mplayer command works if i enclose it in quotes instead of apostrophes

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xris:

oh, I'm escaping incorrectly there.

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rkulagow__:

ready for the next one?

[20:22:47]

xris:

sure

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xris:

first two fixed (not posted yet if you have more)

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rkulagow__:

- $self->{'delete'} = query_text("Do you want to removed it from this server when finished?",

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rkulagow__:

+ $self->{'delete'} = query_text("Do you want to remove it from this server when finished?",

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Anduin:

lane – It is new, give it time (currently it isn't even plugged in I believe)

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rkulagow__:

removed -> remove

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corpix:

rkulagow__, how did you have such filenames ? I have something like "1899_20060309191500.mpg" , how can i rename them automatically ?

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xris:

what file/line?

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rkulagow__:

--- NUV_SQL.pm (revision 236)

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rkulagow__:

+++ NUV_SQL.pm (working copy)

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rkulagow__:

@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@

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lane:

Anduin: np. thanks again for the tip, it's compiling fine now

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xris:

corpix: mythrename.pl, in contrib

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corpix:

k

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corpix:

thx

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rkulagow__:

that's it for now xris

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xris:

new packages posted in 10 secs

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xris:

done

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rkulagow__:

cool. thanks

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rkulagow__:

i'll svn up and see what's what.

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xris:

rkulagow__: up again so you get the gencutlist fix I just added.

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rkulagow__:

ok

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hexoroid:

* Qt is missing MySQL support. Please add

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hexoroid:

anybody seen that message before ?

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xris:

hexoroid: install the qt-mysql package

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hexoroid:

its not on emerge

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hexoroid:

well hmm

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MindHack:

I think all you have to do is re-emerge qt-lib with the mysql flag on

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hexoroid:

let me check

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MindHack:

might just be qt, so try emerge qt -pv

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MindHack:

yeah, its qt

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hexoroid:

[ebuild U ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8 [3.3.4-r3] +cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird +gif -immqt -immqt-bc +ipv6 +mysql* -nas -odbc +opengl -postgres -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB

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hexoroid:

it looks like its already +mysql

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MindHack:

see the little asterisk, Im not sure what that means

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hexoroid:

me neither heh

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hexoroid:

let me find out :)

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xris:

shouldn't emerge pull that stuff down as part of the mythtv dependencies? Cardoe?

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hexoroid:

i tryed emerging mythtv but i keep getting that error

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MindHack:

xris, never did for me

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MindHack:

is it even possible to force_enable a use flag as a dep?

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hexoroid:

i dont think so

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MindHack:

the asterisk might mean that the flag is on, but the package hasn't been rebuilt with the changed flag, but thats just a guess, so try re-emerging qt, and then myth

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hexoroid:

i got it mindhack

[20:38:58]

hexoroid:

this guy helped me out

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hexoroid:

the * means that this is a new change, in this case it means you have qt without mysql support but if you were to emerge it again it will add the mysql support

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MindHack:

hehe, damn, Im a good guesser

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hexoroid:

yeah :)

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hexoroid:

anybody got hauppauge 150 ?

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sean33:

hi

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dtm:

hi

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sean33:

oh at least one person here :)

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dtm:

what? is this a role call?

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sean33:

lol

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sean33:

no but it was nice of you to at least say hello

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corpix:

is there some better tool than imdb.pl ? If i query for "8 Mile somestuff divx HQ" it wont return anything

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sean33:

maybe corpix just search for 8 mile

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corpix:

hmm, i'll look through the script, its hard to just search with only the remote

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sean33:

anyone use a nforce2 ? seem to be having issues switching to tvout unless the crt is not connected to the card

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sean33:

any special options i may need to look at ?

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sean33:

does any one here watch their frontend logs ?

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skipjack:

http://cgi.ebay.de/53-TOP-Spiele-30-andere-Ga . . . cmdZViewItem

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sean33:

corpix why are you dropping ebay auctions in the channel ?

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sean33:

sorry i ment skipjack

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** sean33 kicks skipjack ass as a spamer ! **

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hexoroid:

anybody got hauppauge 150 ?

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sean33:

hexoroid> i have 2

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sean33:

welcome back

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hexoroid:

sean33, did you add anything to /etc/modules.d/ivtv ?

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hexoroid:

and did you have to get firmware or just ivtv0.4.3.tgz

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sean33:

hexoroid, neither my only problem was getting the settings in the modules.conf right

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hexoroid:

sean33, well i am just getting everything to work ATM

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hexoroid:

i currenty just downloded ivtv0.4.3 and did make & make install

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sean33:

im using ivtv-0.4.3–103.rhfc4.at

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hexoroid:

also i did kernel requirments that it needs

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hexoroid:

and on the website its talking about some firmware so i was just currious if you did that

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sean33:

nope

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hexoroid:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup . . . all_Firmware

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hexoroid:

so maybe i wont need it either

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sean33:

mine may be differnt as im in australia

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hexoroid:

well i am emerging mythtv :)

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hexoroid:

for the first time never used it

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hexoroid:

so we will see what it needs

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hexoroid:

btw in Australia what format do they use NTSC or PAL ?

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hexoroid:

probabbly NTSC

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riddlebox:

hello everyone

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sean33:

PAL

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hexoroid:

oh PAL

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hexoroid:

didnt know that

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sean33:

it will save you alot of time if you can identify the tuner before setting up the driver

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hexoroid:

what do you mean ?

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hexoroid:

over the lspci ?

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hexoroid:

Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01

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sean33:

hex , take the card out look at the tuner module and scribble down the numbers

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hexoroid:

and then

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sean33:

aparently there are a number of differnt tuners that are used on these cards

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hexoroid:

damn compilin mythtv is taking a long time

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sean33:

put " options ivtv ivtv_debug=1 options tuner type=38 — in your /etc/modprobe.conf you have to identify the tuner type that is right for you

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riddlebox:

can someone look at this please? http://pastebin.com/598550

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hexoroid:

sean33 check this out

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hexoroid:

naked hex # dmesg | grep tuner

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hexoroid:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner

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hexoroid:

ivtv0: Could not detect tuner standard, defaulting to NTSC.

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hexoroid:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner

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hexoroid:

naked hex #

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hexoroid:

heh

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MindHack:

I love ascii hex porn

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MindHack:

aalib is the best

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skipjack:

Must I use the Nvidia driver from kmdl or can I use the standard nvidia drivers ?

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riddlebox:

does anyone have any ideas about this: ? http://pastebin.com/598550

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Shape:

need to update a server with a 2.0 pci usb card for linux any good ones what work oob?

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dtm:

Shape: probably all of them, ever

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Shape:

wow that simple

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dtm:

they are all supposed to have the same binary api

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MindHack:

hahaha

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dtm:

or whatever.

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dtm:

driver API, as it wer

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dtm:

e

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Cardoe:

xris: yes?

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Cardoe:

MindHack: the * next to the USE flag means it wasn't compiled with it but if you recompile it then it will add it.

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Cardoe:

hexoroid: same info to you

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MindHack:

yeah, thats what I figured

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sean33:

i dont understand this but .bashrc works for autologin on one user but even with identical settings not for another user ?

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MindHack:

perhaps you could rephrase that?

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sean33:

ok i use a run level 5 to initiate an autologin getty to the tty6 console specificaly user sean then the /home/sean/.bashrc is executed with an if statement that where the tty is tty6 then startx

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sean33:

while this works for user sean its not working for user mythtv , it logs in ok but doesnt run the .bashrc yet a manual login of the mythtv user the .bashrc runs fine

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sean33:

its quite strange

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MindHack:

yeah, thats out of my league

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Cardoe:

sean33: check /etc/passwd

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Shape:

what is the usb port for on the back of the scientific atlanta 4200 cable box?

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sean33:

Cardoe , yea have checked the passwd file , no difference there

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sean33:

i cant understand the permitions are identical yet it runs one but not the other

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MindHack:

does each owner own their own .bashrc?

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sean33:

-rw-r--r-- 1 sean sean 402 Mar 13 09:10 /home/sean/.bashrc

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sean33:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 402 Mar 13 09:12 /home/mythtv/.bashrc

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sean33:

even the content is simple just an /bin/echo " This is BASHRC "

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MindHack:

any difference between the groups mythtv and sean?

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MindHack:

in permissions that is?

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sean33:

nope

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sean33:

actualy sean is in the group mythtv

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sean33:

home directoy permitions are idential too

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MindHack:

default shell is bash for both users?

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MindHack:

nevermind, thats a stupid querstion too

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sean33:

in the passwd file ?

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sean33:

yea

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Cardoe:

sean33: what's sean's .bash_profile have?

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MindHack:

yeah, but nevermind, cause you say it works under manual login

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sean33:

yea if i su mythtv it echo's up no prob

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sean33:

Cardoe an interesting thought there i will check that

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bio_:

is by chance here someone with some c-knowledge and a bit of sparetime to work on a little project?

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sean33:

Cardoe think your a champ ! that was it ... I think

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sean33:

yep that was it !! great it now works ... hmmm why was .bash_profile missing i wonder

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Cardoe:

because when you created the user you didn't copy over the skeleton files?

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sean33:

yea i dont know but thanks a bunch that was driving me nuts :P

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sean33:

ok now back to the stupid tvout issue that i had working but i droped another video card in with a cheapo gforce2 thinking i can use the better card elsewhere

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sean33:

now it wont fire up the tvout like the other nvidia card did :(

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sean33:

must be a device option to force the tvout but i havent got it yet

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MindHack:

sean33, did you recompile nvidia-kernel? nvidia-glx?

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sean33:

nope but i have the latest rpms that match my kernel

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sean33:

why what ya thinking

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MindHack:

oh, nevermind, i thought you were the guy earlier who said he was running gentoo

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sean33:

x is still working it just comes up on the LCD not the TV even when i have Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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sean33:

all i needed to do previously was change that to LCD or tv an it would start on the TV or the LCD depending if i need to ajust things

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sean33:

easer to read text on the LCD

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MindHack:

you could try booting the system without the LCD plugged in

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sean33:

yea that kinda works i get text on the console untill it hits x

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sean33:

s/console/tv

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sean33:

damit

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sean33:

did i miss any interesting comments ?

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bio_:

nope

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bio_:

noone answered

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meushi:

gnite

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sean33:

orrra ... i need a cookie

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defi_:

what do the symbols in the "watch recordings" screen mean ie. rip, dollar sign

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Beirdo:

I think F1 brings up a legend

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Beirdo:

if I remember right

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Beirdo:

some key does anyways

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defi_:

F1 does it thanks

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Beirdo:

no prob

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defi_:

lol slashed dollar sign = no commercials

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dtm:

lol.

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bio_:

beirdo, you dont by chance know someone with c-knowledge, a bit of sparetime and having interest to work on mobile phone-controlled mythtv?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I have C knowledge, no spare time, and why not use mythweb?

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bio_:

na, different

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bio_:

use your mobile phone with bluetooth as remote control

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bio_:

bemused does the job but not perfectly

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bio_:

server does segmentation faults, client is xmms-oriented

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bio_:

i´m looking after the client (midlet) but havent done much in c by now

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bio_:

(and i didnt mean specifically you) :)

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I don't have bluetooth anyways :)

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bio_:

well, maybe you know someone :)

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bio_:

think it wouldnt be much work, stripping out the xmms and xpdf stuff and a bit of bugtracking

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Beirdo:

not off-hand, sorry

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bio_:

ok :)

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bio_:

anyway, nice to control my mythtv thats standing in another room without having to buy rf-remote-control

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Beirdo:

web

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Beirdo:

:)

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bio_:

hmm, how should that work?

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Beirdo:

or (shudder).. walk into the other room :)

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Beirdo:

bluetooth would be kinda cool though :)

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bio_:

despite the fact that i dont want to have a pc running while watching tv

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bio_:

walk in to the other room .. did that for 2 days

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bio_:

switch to menu, press enter, walk back into room, see next options, walk back to box

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bio_:

hoping i press the right amount of buttonup or down

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bio_:

walk back to see if it was right

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bio_:

etc.

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Cardoe:

stop being cheap

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Cardoe:

buy a remote

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bio_:

na

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

This barcode scanner is so cool

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bio_:

works with bluetooth except that i have to reconnect every time, because server segfaults if i stay connected too long

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scopeuk:

Beirdo print a card with all your channels onthen use the scanner to change channels

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scopeuk:

or watch recordigns/vids

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bio_:

had a similar idea scopeuk :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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bio_:

idea <> thought

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

170 books cataloged so far

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Beirdo:

got another 1.5 bookshelves to go

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bio_:

got the list online?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

but DAMN it's so much easier with the barcode scanner :)

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Beirdo:

next will be my CDs

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Beirdo:

:)

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bio_:

what for anyway? are you a library? ;)

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Beirdo:

I want to catalog it

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rhuey:

Can someone tell me how to control a digital cable box and satellite TV box? How does that work exactly? Cabling? IR blaster ???

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Anduin:

rhuey – both? It depends.

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rhuey:

Well... I just not sure how it all works... Like, does it effect the decision to setup a frontend/backend system? If I need to continue to use the digital cable box to decode channels?

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Juski:

rhuey: you'll still need a digital cable/satellite box unless you're in Europe – in which case _some_ channels may be available unencrypted (or will be de-cryptable using a hardware CAM)

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Juski:

some cable/sat boxes have serial or firewire ports you can use to change channels, but with others you'll have to rely on an IR blaster

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rhuey:

Yeah.... I know that the cable box I have has both Firewire and serial inputs.

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rhuey:

Does this limit me to only being able to watch or record one channel at a time?

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rhuey:

I'm thinking frontend w/TV upstairs and cablebox/backend in basement. Is that a typical setup?

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jams:

rhuey- thats what I do

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rhuey:

Awesome... So everything you watch upstair comes streamed over the mythfrontend?

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Juski:

rhuey: you'll need one cable box per stream you want to watch/record

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Juski:

if you want to watch 2 things at the same time, you'll need >= 2 cable boxes

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Juski:

if you wanna record 2 things at the same time, same story...

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rhuey:

indeed! makes sense

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jams:

yes

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Juski:

so why'd you ask? ;-)

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rhuey:

I'm competing with TiVo... according to my wife, TiVo can do this... I have no clue either way.

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Juski:

TiVo can rob your wallet of hard-earned $$$ too... so is it still as cool?

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lesshaste:

anyone ever heard of a problem where the reception is much worse when the digital tv is saved to disk than when it is played live?

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Juski:

I really like how you have to buy hardware, then pay more money out to keep it working :-/

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rhuey:

In the long run, No.... that's why I'm thinking of going HTPC

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Juski:

lesshaste: nah. in mythtv everything is recorded. even livetv

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lesshaste:

Juski: to disk?

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Juski:

lesshaste: yup

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lesshaste:

not a circular buffer in ram?

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lesshaste:

oh ok

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Juski:

what kind of digital tv we talking about here?

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lesshaste:

freeview

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lesshaste:

bad reception on qam64 channels

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lesshaste:

which I can see fine on the tv

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Juski:

yeh I was part way thru explaining that PC tuners are often less sensitive than set top boxes last time we spoke

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lesshaste:

yes

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lesshaste:

and that you can't ask anyone which pc tuners are better for reception either :)

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Juski:

are you the guy who can get perfect reception without an aerial connected to the freeview box?

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lesshaste:

yes

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Juski:

that's a tricky one. I'd suggest the signal is too strong

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lesshaste:

hm... on the tv it is below 50 percent

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lesshaste:

so surely not

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Juski:

hard to believe I know... but if you dont have an aerial plugged into the freeview box & it still picks up... you live close to the transmitter

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lesshaste:

6 miles from the transmitter

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lesshaste:

is that close?

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Juski:

getting _anything_ without an aerial connected is bloody good going – ESPECIALLY with a freeview box

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lesshaste:

yes but if the tv says signal strength is <50 percent it can't be too strong can it?

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Juski:

where my parents live they can see the mast from their garden... it's like 3 miles away

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Juski:

they had lots of problems with freeview reception

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lesshaste:

the point is that I am on the NE corner of a tower block with the transmitter due SW

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lesshaste:

so that is why the reception is poor I assume

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Juski:

that indoor aerial won't be doing you any favours

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lesshaste:

it did nothing at all

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lesshaste:

as you say :)

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Juski:

especially living in a tower block with all the metal inside it

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Juski:

is it a really cheap aerial?

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Juski:

did I explain before how qam64 has much less error correction than qam16? like loads less?

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Juski:

I think what's biting you is lots of small reflections of the signal all arriving at the aerial at different times. freeview is supposed to be better than analogue at defeating that, and it is up to a point...

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Juski:

lesshaste: can you get a good, watchable analogue signal?

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