Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Achew22:

ohh — you make lamps... not a regular thing for nerds but cool i guess ;)

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mchou:

xris:how aboute genie? :)

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Beirdo:

who you calling a nerd?

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Beirdo:

we're geeks here

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Achew22:

xris — i think it says that on his site

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Achew22:

nevermind

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xris:

Achew22: ?

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Achew22:

it was a different site I was looking about that involved mythtv

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kormoc:

Achew22, LAMP == Linux Apache Mysql Programming

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Aneurysm9:

will somebody settle on a meaning for that damn P, keeps changing like every week

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Beirdo:

Pricks?

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Achew22:

anyways... in one of the next builds will you add a switch to make it not prompt for user input if it has all the switches or to do the default if it doesn't have all the switches

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

kormoc: PHP

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xris:

not Programming

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kormoc:

ahh, heh

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kormoc:

my mistake

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Achew22:

then I will be sure to tell you two when my php project on sf.net gets going

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praet:

xris: what server are you devving on?

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Aneurysm9:

kormoc: I've also seen Perl, PHP/Perl, Python/PHP/Perl, pretty much anything related to programming that starts with a P

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Achew22:

porn?

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xris:

praet: huh?

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Achew22:

anyways — is that an option for the next release?

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praet:

oh like what server os are you using

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Achew22:

probably linux

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Achew22:

since its in the name

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praet:

redhat..

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Achew22:

ohh

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Achew22:

thats the distro

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praet:

hrmm maybe what distro is the better question

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praet:

right

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praet:

lie an enterprise one

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kormoc:

praet, we use fedora core 4/5 for our live servers at the moment

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Achew22:

you say that like it may change...

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praet:

oh i was wondereing in #fedora if it was recommended

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xris:

kormoc: according to wikipedia, it's Perl/Php/Python

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kormoc:

Achew22, it always might change, as we're a very dynamic company.

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praet:

can you do LAMP on bsd?

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Achew22:

bamp...

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kormoc:

I would assum that's BAMP then

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Achew22:

chuckle

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praet:

a few people recommended openbsd for apache stuff

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Aneurysm9:

someone should start a LAMR meme, Linux Apache MySQL Ruby

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praet:

egads

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praet:

well as long as mythweb keeps on humming

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Achew22:

hey — you guys deal with appace can you tell me something

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kormoc:

something

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Achew22:

http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/phpsysinfo-dev/index.php on that page for sf.net it says that they have sent 3gb sent how is that possible

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Achew22:

i thought there were only 1gb network connections

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kormoc:

Achew22, there's 10 gb network cards now, and you can combine multiple cards into one as well

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kormoc:

Achew22, and I beleive those numbers are total

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Achew22:

wow — i would hate to pay that hosting bill

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praet:

you two have any work thats open to the public

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Achew22:

ohh i feel dumb....

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kormoc:

Achew22, http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/pro . . . _adapter.htm

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kormoc:

praet, whom are you talking to?

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praet:

you

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praet:

the lamp guys xris and kormoc

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kormoc:

ahh, heh

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praet:

im nosing into that stuff now

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praet:

trying to build a server to go with my fedora desktop

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kormoc:

praet, well, we both work on www.siliconmechanics.com, and I've been getting a little bit into mythweb

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Krazylegz:

xris: You around?

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kormoc:

praet, I overhauled the ajax lib mythweb uses, and that'll be commited soonish, allowing a lot more nice ajaxy stuff to happen in mythweb

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xris:

Krazylegz: nope

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Krazylegz:

Doh. Guess I'll check back later for you then. :-P

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Krazylegz:

xris: Mind if I PM you?

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Achew22:

i'm thinking about buying a Rackform iServ Q300 where should I get it?

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kormoc:

praet, I've also done a little work on gregarius (gregarius.net)

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blah:

anyone around?

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kormoc:

Achew22, considering we're the only place that sells them, I think you know where :P

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kormoc:

blah, nope

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Achew22:

so don't buy them...

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blah:

i am running a pvr-350 with knoppmyth, and am having problems watching live tv

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blah:

it only works when I am recording a show

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Achew22:

what aspect doesn't work?

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blah:

but when I am not recording it just flashes when I select "Watch TV"

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Achew22:

xorg?

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praet:

kormoc: interesting stuff

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praet:

kormoc: cant wait to see the work on mythweb

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blah:

2006-03–08 19:15:44.626 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback

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blah:

2006-03–08 19:15:44.665 adding: pengpc as a client (events: 0)

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blah:

2006-03–08 19:15:44.706 ERROR opening file '/cache/cache/ringbuf1.nuv' in ThreadedFileWriter. No such file or directory

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blah:

2006-03–08 19:15:44.726 TVRec: Failed to open RingBuffer file.

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blah:

that pops up in my backend error log when I try to watch live tv

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kormoc:

praet, yeah, one of the best things about this job is xris is my direct boss, so I get to learn about all this cool new stuff and I've learned a ton here that I never would have learned at normal companys.

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Achew22:

I had a problem like that — it was a user access problem

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kormoc:

praet, and we're very open source friendly :)

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dtm:

kormoc: where's this at

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Achew22:

blah: i chmoded /cache/cahe to 766 and that fixed my problem

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kormoc:

dtm, silicon mechanics (www.siliconmechanics.com)

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blah:

Achew22 alright give me a sec let me see if that fixes it

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blah:

Achew22 well the thing is /cache/cache/ doesnt exist

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Achew22:

make it...

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blah:

i did but the same problem

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Achew22:

mkdir /cache/cache/; chmod 766 /chace/cahe/

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Achew22:

i cant type tonight so check that for typos

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blah:

did it but the .nuv doenst exist

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Achew22:

do mythtv-setup and chekc where it thinks the live tv buffer is stored

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kormoc:

blah, did you try to watch tv again?

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blah:

ah i fixed it

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blah:

it wasnt owned by the user mythtv

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Achew22:

ha ha ha

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Achew22:

i win

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Achew22:

kormoc and xris are you at work?

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kormoc:

yup

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Achew22:

i wish i could irc at work

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xris:

yes

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xris:

heh. we have to. we use irc for internal communication.

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Achew22:

your boss rocks...

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Achew22:

thats even cooler

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blah:

Achew22: can i pick your brain a little more?

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xris:

it was irc or jabber, and trillian (which most of the sales people use) doesn't do jabber for free.

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Achew22:

trillian rocks

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Achew22:

blah sure, as long as you dont pull it out

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xris:

but I encourage kormoc and his counterpart to do open source development... and would be a hypocrite if I didn't let him hang out here when I do.

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Achew22:

still the more oss solution would have been to setup your own aim server

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Achew22:

unless you used an oss irc server...

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the experiment goes with HDTV + Comcrap HDTV box and firewire hehe

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Achew22:

then aim would be more nerdy

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praet:

kormoc: that gregarius.net site is well designed.. something i appreciate is squeaky clean css htm

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I got the box today... just drove into bellevue for the firewire cable :)

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Achew22:

blah u got any questions?

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kormoc:

praet, yeah, I highly recommend it for anyone looking for a webbased rss reader. the devs a very active and friendly for requests and bug reports

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blah:

sound only works after shows get transcoded, does anyone know any way to get sound when i watching live tv?

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blah:

im outputting the sound through the sound card

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Achew22:

use alsa

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Achew22:

thats the best way to do it

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Achew22:

what distro are you running

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blah:

im running knoppmyth

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Achew22:

ohh... i dont know what that uses

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Achew22:

and i'm too lazy to download it and vmware it up

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kormoc:

Achew22, given the sound works after it's transcoded but not before points to something is wacky and screwed up

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: cool... I lent our company hd5000 card to kormoc to see what HD he can get over cable. heh

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blah:

knoppmyth uses either freebsd or debian as its core

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Achew22:

kormoc i could listen to music but nto live tv then put on alsa and it worked

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blah:

i cant remember off the top of my head

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kormoc:

yeah, I get a stable mythbox working and it's time to rip it apart and toss in new hardware! :P

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Achew22:

blah is debian based

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kormoc:

blah, no linux distros use a bsd core, fyi

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Achew22:

kormoc thats what true [geeks|nerds] do

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Achew22:

what!

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Achew22:

ohh

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Achew22:

it came back

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Beirdo:

OK...

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blah:

well the thing is... i think the sound is being outputted through the rca on the pvr350

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Beirdo:

!search blargh

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kormoc:

blah, it might if it's a mpeg2 file

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blah:

but after it gets transcoded it is mpeg4 and outputted through the snd card

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Beirdo:

OK, a bit messy right now, but there it is

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kormoc:

blah, yup, and so the issue is?

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Achew22:

Beirdo are the bots creator?

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blah:

is there anyway to route the sound through the snd card instead of through the pvr ?

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Beirdo:

aye

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kormoc:

blah, disable the playback via the pvr?

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Achew22:

yeah... get a converter

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xris:

!search kormoc

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xris:

heh.

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Beirdo:

pretty high scores :)

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kormoc:

haha, amusing

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Achew22:

whats the number in teh () for?

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xris:

Achew22: score

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xris:

well, sum of scores, actually, since the match is against a 15-minute range.

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kormoc:

!search Beirdo

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Achew22:

lets see how low I am

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Achew22:

!search achew22

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Achew22:

i dont even show up

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xris:

yeah, Beirdo, you definitely need to make that a pm function

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Achew22:

:D

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I cant remember how can I capture a slice of video to test? cat /path/to/foo > foo

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Beirdo:

yeah

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kormoc:

it takes some power to search

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Beirdo:

I will

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SlicerDicer-:

I cant remember :/

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blah:

kormoc how would i disable the playback through the pvr?

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Achew22:

is a high number good?

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Beirdo:

but I need to work on invitations first

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bjw:

anyone using s PVR-500?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, yup

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Beirdo:

so it will wait a few hours

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defi_:

in mythdvd they added a new selection "iso" whats the difference between that and "perfect"?

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Achew22:

if you setup a box as a frontend does it need mysql?

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kormoc:

Achew22, yup

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Achew22:

shucks

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Anduin:

defi_ – ISO rips the whole disc.

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Achew22:

that explains it

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Beirdo:

so try not to spew too much in the mean time, I'm leaving it like this for a few hours :)

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Achew22:

are there any deb files out there for .19?

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Beirdo:

I will be back to it in a bit

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** kormoc recalls that first match conversation. **

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** kormoc grumbles about blasted canadian girls **

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Beirdo:

HEY!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** kormoc grumbles more about blasted redhead girls too **

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Beirdo:

of course, my girl's neither Canadian, nor redheaded

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Beirdo:

but still... HEY!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

Beirdo, :P

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blah:

anyone: how would i disable the playback through the pvr?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, those girls I grumble at deserve to be grumbled at a lot :P

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xris:

Beirdo: trust me, if you knew this girl....

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

Beirdo, dude, people *cheered* when she moved out, and they've only meet her once or twice

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Achew22:

wow...

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Beirdo:

(psychotic wench)--

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** kormoc laughs **

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xris:

Beirdo: exactly. and add "bipolar drug user who never paid a dime of rent to kormoc"

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Beirdo:

eeek

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GreyFoxx:

a friend of mine has a "ding dong, the bitch is gone" party when he kicked out his girlfriend

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Achew22:

i dont know what about the words "psychotic wench" made me hungry for rits bits but it did, so i'll be back in a litle

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kormoc:

psychotic bipolar drug addicted alcoholic jobless wrench

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praet:

blah: you mean disable the menu?

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Beirdo:

hope she made it somewhat worth your while

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blah:

praet i mean make it so all sound output goes through the sound card, instead of livetv trying to go through the pvr350

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kormoc:

and by saying that, she'll now find this log :P

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kormoc:

Beirdo, not in the least

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Cardoe:

Are we complaining about shitty tenants/roommates?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ex-gf/ex-roommate

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Cardoe:

kormoc: she moved out?

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praet:

blah: what is your sound output set up as in setup?

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kormoc:

yup

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praet:

blah: like 'default:alsa'

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Cardoe:

kormoc: off to school?

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kormoc:

in theory

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kormoc:

if she gets in

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Beirdo:

well, congrats, kormoc. You deserve some sanity

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Cardoe:

kormoc: don't want her back? ;)

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seme|Home:

anyone here use the pcHDTV card?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, not really :P

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kormoc:

Beirdo, thanks :P

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blah:

praet let me check

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Cardoe:

kormoc: just for the sex huh?

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seme|Home:

my card is working but I've been having problems with the quality

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seme|Home:

everything looks faded

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kormoc:

Cardoe, as nice of a friend she is/was, she brings a ton of baggage with her

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Cardoe:

aw come on

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Cardoe:

those are great

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Cardoe:

all the headaches

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Cardoe:

and the issues

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: OMG!!!!!!!! Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111eleventyone

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Cardoe:

what are you gonna do with all the spare time now?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, hehe, I did PM you when she moved out, I guess you didn't get it or didn't notice :P

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SlicerDicer-:

powerfailure

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SlicerDicer-:

I was in issaquah

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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kormoc:

Cardoe, likely code/game/search for a sane girl

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kormoc:

well, cute sane girl

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blah:

audio output device: /dev/dsp

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Achew22:

kormoc the sane ones are the hardest to find

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kormoc:

Achew22, alas, yeah

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xris:

completely sane is no fun

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Achew22:

no

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Achew22:

kinky crazy is good but only in moderation

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kormoc:

xris, yeah, but I'm all burnt out on the completely insane :P

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xris:

yes. no argument there.

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Achew22:

you don't want her to tie you up like in wedding crashers

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kormoc:

not really

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: well hey I am sure glad for ya buddy

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kormoc:

:)

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Achew22:

this channel = god

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SlicerDicer-:

so she's going to school kormoc?

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kormoc:

tis her plan

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dtm:

kormoc: at least you don't need a restraining order.......do ya?

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Achew22:

wow... whats this chatzilla...

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: in argentina by chance?

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kormoc:

dtm, heh, we'll have to see about that in the future, she thinks she's moving back in a few months

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, back in Michigan

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dtm:

kormoc: :-o

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dtm:

lolz

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: well thats actually good

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Achew22:

poor kormoc... if only he could find a not crazy girl between now and when she comes back

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Cardoe:

kormoc: there are no cute sane girls

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Cardoe:

I've found this out.

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Beirdo:

the hell there aren't

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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kormoc:

Cardoe, nah, there are, they're just rare and in high demand.

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Beirdo:

they are just 99% already taken

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Cardoe:

I'm angry at my bottle of locktite

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Cardoe:

can we guess why?

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SlicerDicer-:

glued the bolt to the neck?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, it's locked tite?

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Cardoe:

kormoc++

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Achew22:

we glued a bottle of gin to my friends hand...

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Cardoe:

I sealed it tightly too

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SlicerDicer-:

locktite is not that strong really

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: it's good enough for screws

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Cardoe:

to stop rattling

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SlicerDicer-:

apparently it cant take 600lbs of force

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** kormoc needs to find a amy lee like girl, sane, smart, lovely, artsy, semi-goth, and overly cute. **

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Achew22:

kormoc good luck...

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Achew22:

when you find a colony full of them come talk to me

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xris:

kormoc: and rich/famous?

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kormoc:

xris, hehe, I don't really care bout that part :P

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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xris:

better get yourself that account at thestranger.com personals

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xris:

and start using that suicidegirls acct. heh

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Achew22:

thats sounds really creepy...

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xris:

moving to capitol hill wouldn't hurt, either. heh

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SlicerDicer-:

OMG

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kormoc:

tho, I have meet Amy Less, and was quite striken, she's just a little (like a few light years) out of my league :P

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kormoc:

xris, hehe, true

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: it aint cheap there

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kormoc:

xris, I do have a thestrangers account, havn't really found anyone that's also nonscary.

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xris:

kormoc: ahh, that's always a problem

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: not bad for an apartment

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xris:

no worse than the rest of the city

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SlicerDicer-:

point taken

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xris:

kormoc: you'll have to come along to 40th year...

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kormoc:

xris, yeah, that'd be quite fun

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SlicerDicer-:

north bend is far cheaper than the city though :) in terms of rent

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xris:

Achew22: what sounds creepy?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: yes. but not so good on the commute end of things.

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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maximus2000:

Hi does MS Media Center Remotes work in Linux especially mythtv?

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xris:

I'd love to live out by you, except that it's so far out.

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kormoc:

xris, that girl I hung out with for those two weeks, she was rather artsy, but to a fault. and very Arielish, which is why I wouldn't let it go for too long.

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xris:

maximus2000: lirc with the mceusb2 driver, yes

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kormoc:

maximus2000, not overly well tho

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xris:

kormoc: the remote? thought the remote worked well

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maximus2000:

Thanks guys

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kormoc:

xris, it seems like ours has toggle in it, so every other button press does nothing

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xris:

geesch

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kormoc:

it's rather consistantly every other button press, so it's not like it's a bug or anything, as far as I can tell

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xris:

hmm. I still have to play with mine. not that it's better than my RF remote was.. remotes are too problematic for me.

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xris:

maximus2000: so the answer is "yes and no"

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kormoc:

it's also *slow*

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah I love it out here its great

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xris:

kormoc: they're all slow

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kormoc:

takes about 2–5 seconds from button press to actually doing something

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mrec:

does anyone here have a terratec cinergy T2 usb device?

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kormoc:

xris, I think most of the slowness is myth, as irw picks it up instantly.

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Cardoe:

so I don't have any MythTV boxes

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** Cardoe sniffles. **

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ooh?

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Cardoe:

I pulled the Nvidia card I had to put in my PPC box

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Cardoe:

since the Radeon card in there decided to be a bastard

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Cardoe:

and then magically it didn't work

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Cardoe:

anymore

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Cardoe:

But I think it's cause I left it out in the living room

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Cardoe:

and even though the roommate told me no electronics out

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Cardoe:

I left it there

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Cardoe:

and I think she touched it

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Cardoe:

or someone did

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Cardoe:

or something

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Cardoe:

Just like the universal remote sometimes loses it's programming magically

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Cardoe:

or she can't turn on the TV

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Cardoe:

Come on... how hard is it..

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Cardoe:

Watch a movie?

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Cardoe:

Turn on DVD player, turn on Amp... pick DVD on the amp... turn on TV

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** kormoc laughs **

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Cardoe:

TV? Turn on TV, turn on amp... set to VCR

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Agrajag-:

so.. anyone here happen to have a spare nvidia pci card? :) im pretty pissed off at nvidia and their proprietary driver not allowing other drivers to be loaded.. means i can only have nvidia cards

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Cardoe:

I know that last part is confusing... since we don't have a VCR

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, that's not true

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Cardoe:

kormoc: false statement

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: uhh yes it is

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, I've used a nvidia and a matrox g400 just fine

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Agrajag-:

well i can load two X sessions

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kormoc:

same time, just had to load the g400 first

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kormoc:

at least, at the time, this was awhile ago

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Agrajag-:

it doesn't work with the nvidia one because nvidia installs it's own glx stuff which isn't compatible with the standard one

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Agrajag-:

so maybe it works if you don't use glx, i dont know. but i want dri/glx

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, ahh, I never did enable glx on that setup

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, why not use the NV driver then?

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Agrajag-:

because i play quake3 :)

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

well, in theory you could still use nvidia's GLX and just not have opengl on the nonnvidia card

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Agrajag-:

i don't thikn you can? if you load glx, it's got to work with all drivers, you can't say 'i only want glx for nvidia'

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, what's the other card?

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Agrajag-:

i dunno some really old sis one

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grant__:

Hey, I have a quick question.. myth seems to be flagging commercials (or it says it did), however, I'm still seeing commercials in my recordings. Is there a setting I missed?

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xris:

grant_: auto-skip

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh hey kormoc I am going to be getting another puppy

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SlicerDicer-:

and perhaps end up going to PA for it

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jerky_2:

grant__, try disabling strict detection

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xris:

or edit, then press Z to turn the flag list into a cutlist

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jerky_2:

or change your commercial detection method

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maximus2000:

Well I have an odd issue with my backend. I can start it with /etc/init.d/mythbackend start But when I go into mythfrontend it says it is not running. SO from cli th do $mythbackend and keep the window open and all is well

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grant__:

jerky_2: well, I have it set to "all"

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grant__:

I'll try turning off strict detection

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jerky_2:

speaking of that, is there a way to control mythcommflag such that it only runs at off hours? for example, mine runs right after recording an HD broadcast and takes a long time to finish, it eats CPU while i'm trying to do other things

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, without load glx, the nvidia driver appears to (on my one box) to load glx after it starts up, so the idea is to load the sis first, then the nvidia, which then loads glx

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jerky_2:

i had to disable strict detection, and i got best results from just going with "blank frame" instead of "all"

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, coolness

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maximus2000:

Why when doing #/etc/init.d/mythbackend start It does not stay up?

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jerky_2:

using "all" made mythcommflag take a lot longer

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xris:

grant_: myth won't auto-skip commercials unless you tell it to

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: hmm something tells me that won't work, but i'll see

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xris:

jerky_2: it runs at a super-nice nice level (19, I think).. shouldn't hurt other programs at all

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: yeah there is so few breeders :/

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jerky_2:

xris, good point.. maybe i am just blaming it for other system slowness but it might not be the problem. it eats about 30 % CPU when 50% CPU is needed for HDTV decoding... i guess it's not necessarily the culprit but i would like to be able to control it better, right now it just runs whenever it wnats

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grant__:

xris: I believe I have it set to "auto skip"

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xris:

grant__: double check?

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, actually, the sis driver doesn't support glx at all (http://www.chedong.com/phpMan.php/man/sis/4x) so it should work fine if it's the first card loaded

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grant__:

xris: ah.. I turned off strict detection and it works

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grant__:

wow.. that is amazing how it just does it

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xris:

I have that turned off.. I just edit myself a cutlist before watching. much more reliable, since the commercial detection is never 100%

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: so how can i be sure that sis would get loaded first (not at the computer to try now)? is it just the order of the <Device> section?

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, it should be the order of the screens in the ServerLayout section of the xorg.conf

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Agrajag-:

ah k

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jerky_2:

xris, you were right, mythcommflag is running at a low prio and it never goes above 21% CPU for me, and i was able to play back some HDTV without skipping so i guess it's not the culprit

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xris:

jerky_2: nice should take care of all of that for you...

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** kormoc is slightly amused that jerky_2's playback is jerky. **

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xris:

you could also just run the backend at nice -0 or some other higher (lower number) priority

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm kormoc ever used test-mpeg2?

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kormoc:

nope

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jerky_2:

my playback is jerky?

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kormoc:

jerky_2, I consider skippy playback jerky, yeah

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jerky_2:

ahh... i get it ;)

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kormoc:

:)

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jerky_2:

yeah that whole XvMC thing is sticking it to me every now and then

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jerky_2:

had the crackly audio problem, then i turned on audio warping to follow the video as a timebase and that seems to improve things

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kormoc:

it seems very dependant on the motherboard chipset

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kormoc:

and I've seemed to be really lucky with it

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jerky_2:

other than that, XvMC is a godsend... HDTV used to peak my 2.2 ghz p4 and now it takes 50–60% tops

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am reading about how to do the firewire input and well its great information and all....

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SlicerDicer-:

but I cant find out how to get it to read host adapter 1

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SlicerDicer-:

everything is for host adapter 0

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SlicerDicer-:

not 1

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rsquared:

umm.. plug it into host adapter 1

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rsquared:

err.. 0

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SlicerDicer-:

errrm

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SlicerDicer-:

I only have 1 port?

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SlicerDicer-:

I think

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SlicerDicer-:

....

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rsquared:

what's it say when you do plugreport?

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rsquared:

cuz you could have it on host 0, noed 1

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rsquared:

node too

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SlicerDicer-:

I have it on host 1 node 0

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rsquared:

hrm

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rsquared:

that's weird

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to shutdown the computer for a min

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SlicerDicer-:

I got another port on the mobo that I can plug it into maybe

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SlicerDicer-:

there is 1394 F1 1394 F2

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rsquared:

ah

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to try F1

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rsquared:

good idea

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rsquared:

yeah.. cuz i don't see anything in test-mpeg2 where you can specify the host

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kormoc:

what's -r do?

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rsquared:

i believe -r vs -t make teh diff between broadcast and ptp

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kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont have a way to hook up to that

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SlicerDicer-:

the connector did not come with my mobo

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SlicerDicer-:

there has to be a way to switch that shit

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rsquared:

hrm... don't know

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rsquared:

can you set it up in myth?

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SlicerDicer-:

I havent tried

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rsquared:

try

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SlicerDicer-:

I have been trying to test the input lol

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rsquared:

hehe

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rsquared:

you can specify host i belive in there

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

how do I switch between tuners

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Venzon:

Y?

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SlicerDicer-:

its blank :/

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Venzon:

no, i mean i think you press Y

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Venzon:

in live TV view

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah the screen went blank

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Venzon:

oh

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Venzon:

*shrug*

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Venzon:

anyone using a cable box through firewire?

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Venzon:

i've got it mostly figured out, but occasionally (around 20% of the time) live TV doesn't work or a recording fails (invalid file, no data in 15 seconds, etc in logs)

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SlicerDicer-:

Venzon: I am trying to do it right now hehe

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Venzon:

how's it going?

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SlicerDicer-:

could be better :)

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shape:

is mythtv compatable with digital cable?

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Venzon:

it works for me

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SlicerDicer-:

bingo got it swiched

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SlicerDicer-:

shape: I have no problems

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shape:

my cable box has 800+ channels and has a card to work

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shape:

can only view 100 channel with out the box

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SlicerDicer-:

yep shape you have to use a external channel changer

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SlicerDicer-:

such as irblaster or rs232

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SlicerDicer-:

firewire maybe even

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Venzon:

shape: with my motorolla digital cable box it changes channels over firewire

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shape:

no firewire on the back only usb so it will go thru my box first?

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SlicerDicer-:

Venzon: I use RS232 on my SDTV and working on my HDTV with firewire heh

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Criggie:

shape: show-off. Here I have four channels

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shape:

sorry :0

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Criggie:

shape: 800 channels and nothing interesing on?

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shape:

so i would not connect the cable to the card just the out from the box to my card?

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shape:

Criggie true

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jnunez:

SlicerDicer-: You are doing firewire? what is the filesize for a 1 hour clip?

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Venzon:

jnunez: for SDTV it's 1.5 gb

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Venzon:

on my motorolla box w/ comcast digital cable

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jnunez:

Oh that's not bad! I kept hear GBs per minutes

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Venzon:

nah! the HDTV is several GBs for an hour

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jnunez:

Will MythTV autochange the channel or do I have to script it?

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Venzon:

haven't tried out an HDTV hour long show yet

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Venzon:

with the motorolla box, mythtv can change the channel over the firewire connection

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jnunez:

OK you just helped me in my sibling rivalry with my brother's MCE box!!

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Venzon:

heheh

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shape:

with the firewire install i dont hook up the cable wire to my tuner card?

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Venzon:

nope, just the firewire from the cable box to your comp's firewire port

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seme|Home:

can anyone help me with the image quality of my pcHDTV 3000 quality?

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jnunez:

Crap. Firewire cable is too short! My wife doesn't want the cablebox in the entertainment system because the coffee table blocks the IR

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shape:

just the rca output to the card?

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Venzon:

www.cablewholesale.com :-)

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jnunez:

I have the NVidia 5200 DVI to my HDTV

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jnunez:

Venzon: thanks for the link. I need a couple more wires too. APPLE DVI to STD DVI for my company's Conference Room Mac

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Achew22:

jnunez you should just get an firewire a-b cable

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seme|Home:

anyone using the harmony 890 logitech remote for mythtv ?... just wondering if anyone likes it or if they don't like it

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Achew22:

does anyone have any experience with converting vga to component

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SlicerDicer-:

jnunez: Like I said I am working on it I havent gotten it working

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jnunez:

Cool SlicerDicer- I will be reinstalling my myth box tomorrow. Moving to ubuntu

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SlicerDicer-:

have fun :/

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SlicerDicer-:

its not a easy task to do myth with ubuntu

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jnunez:

really. what distro do you use? I have tried Gentoo and I have been successful with Debian and KnoppMyth

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Cardoe:

if you can follow the install handbook for Gentoo... you can install mythtv

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shape:

will a dual 450 slackware box run myth?

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Cardoe:

as a backend... with hauppauge pvr cards... sure.

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shape:

what about the plextor px-tv402u?

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AngryElf:

will a 0.19 frontend work with a 0.18 backend?

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AngryElf:

different boxes

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LonEagle:

hey, somehow, i managed to add an extra profile group. i think it's screwing up my recording settings? is there a way to delete it save from directly deleteing it from the mysql database?

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: btw thanks for the ~amd64 you ROCK!

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Cardoe:

np

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Juski:

Slicerdicer: yeah mythtv was like so hard getting to work on ubuntu it took me like 2 hours

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SlicerDicer-:

I just had my mythbox explode

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SlicerDicer-:

for the first time JFS has gone batty on me

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LonEagle:

what do you do when you reinstall?

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abarbaccia:

hey xris you there?

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LonEagle:

you just back up mythconverg?

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LonEagle:

and then put it back when all is good?

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LonEagle:

and obviously don't reformat the video drive :P

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: do you know offhand what is contained in /var/lib/init.d and /var/lib/wtmp?

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abarbaccia:

anybody using mythweb 0.19 and have their video covers displaying properly?

[03:18:30]

feld:

SlicerDicer-: muahahahahaha

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feld:

JFS finally got ya, eh?

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: uh

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Cardoe:

wtmp is something special I forget what it's called.

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe well both those exploded

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Cardoe:

the other one is for dep resolving of init scripts

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Juski:

call me old fashioned but I find ext3 works great. not run into any issues yet (touch wood)

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: bite me

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SlicerDicer-:

just cause you warned me about JFS dont make you right!

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SlicerDicer-:

I have used it for well over a year like I said

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feld:

:)

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feld:

what did it do anyway?

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abarbaccia:

xris, i dont know why but mythweb refuses to display the video covers (just shows a small verticle line instead) and when i copy image location and paste, its linking to the correct file — very odd

[03:20:59]

SlicerDicer-:

massive powerfailure

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SlicerDicer-:

it killed power AFAIK from north bend to issaquah wa

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feld:

that sucks

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AngryElf:

can anybody show me a site to purchase a serial IR receiver that's a US site?

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SlicerDicer-:

BWA HA HA I love gentoo feld

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SlicerDicer-:

its fixxored :)

[03:24:11]

SlicerDicer-:

in 15 mins from dead to working

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** SlicerDicer- hugs the gentoo community **

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feld:

SlicerDicer-: damn right

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feld:

my mythtv install would have only taken 15 mins last night if I wasnt a complete idiot

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feld:

that would have pwnd

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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LonEagle:

feld: what with?

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feld:

from Ubuntu crap to Gentoo in 15 mins flat

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** SlicerDicer- looks at the idiot mark stamped on feld's forehead!!!! **

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** SlicerDicer- looks in the mirror and sees PEBKAC stamped on a forehead there! **

[03:26:06]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm wonder whats worse

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feld:

LonEagle: utf8 instead of latin1 for mysql wouldnt even create a proper database structure for mythtv

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feld:

note though, that my last 2 installations were with utf8 and I never had that issue

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SlicerDicer-:

lol feld

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feld:

i did more in depth reading and found that mythtv has a major issue with NOT BEING UTF8 COMPLIANT GOD DAMNIT

[03:27:51]

feld:

which is completely rediculous

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feld:

but whatever =/

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: umm it says it plain as day?

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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feld:

btw, 0.19 works around this problem by forcing the DB for mythconverg to be latin1. I did a 0.18-r2 install because it's not going to blow up on me like 0.19 does constantly

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feld:

0.19 is complete crap IMO. Featureful, but broken beyond belief.

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: speak for yourself!

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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shape:

my cable box has a usb port any blasters that will run on that?

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LonEagle:

yeah, my .19 crashes on exiting playback. every time.

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: I am still trying to figure out how to get this Firewire thing going :/

[03:30:28]

feld:

hah that sucks

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LonEagle:

unless we hit "d" to get out of the playback

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LonEagle:

then it doesn't crash. totally bizzarre.

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feld:

u got 1394 support in your kernel SlicerDicer- ? lol

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feld:

LonEagle: mine was a totally different situation

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LonEagle:

i think i should reinstall with some different distro. debian unstable is... annoying sometimes.

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Venzon:

slicerdicer: anything i can help you with?

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: of course

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feld:

randomly while watching TV mythfrontend would consume 99% cpu, bring my box to its knees, and eventually nothing would respond.

[03:31:32]

SlicerDicer-:

Venzon: well its saying its on host adapter 1 not host adapter 0

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LonEagle:

feld: how did you roll back the database?

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SlicerDicer-:

so the problem is I cant figure out how to get test-mpeg2 to verify that its workin

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feld:

LonEagle: I took a hit and didnt :(

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LonEagle:

feld: so you lost some stuff :(

[03:32:07]

feld:

yeah...

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feld:

but my gf is happy all her shows record now

[03:32:18]

feld:

instead of crashing multiple times a day

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AngryElf:

can anybody show me a site to purchase a serial IR receiver that's a US site?

[03:32:39]

feld:

but she misses closed captioning.... what to do!

[03:32:42]

feld:

AngryElf: not sure man :(

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LonEagle:

AngryElf: i've seen a few around, lemme re-check.

[03:33:34]

LonEagle:

AngryElf: i might have to order the same thing, my pvr-150 remote is being flaky again :(

[03:33:44]

AngryElf:

i found one for $30

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AngryElf:

i thought that was a lot

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AngryElf:

and a couple in europe, but i'm patient

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AngryElf:

impatient

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LonEagle:

heh

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AngryElf:

NOW NOW NOW :)

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LonEagle:

well that and converting currency on the crdit card can cost money

[03:34:38]

LonEagle:

i don't know that you're going to find one for less than $30.

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LonEagle:

stupid, eh?

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AngryElf:

yea, and looking up the convesion takes effort too

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LonEagle:

err, the couple sites i know just have usb ones

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AngryElf:

do they work just as well?

[03:35:22]

AngryElf:

not with lirc i'd imagine

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feld:

[ebuild N ] app-misc/lirc-0.8.0 USE="X alsa usb -debug -doc" 502 kB

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feld:

i'm guessing they work fine

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LonEagle:

streamzap remote works with lirc apparently

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AngryElf:

found one for $15 inc. shipping out of EU

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LonEagle:

windows media center remote works

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LonEagle:

AngryElf: link?

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AngryElf:

http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=buy

[03:38:22]

Achew22:

can I get help in here over a mythstreamtv issue?

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feld:

Achew22: bless you

[03:38:52]

feld:

har har

[03:39:02]

Achew22:

thats why I have this name — for the comedic releif

[03:39:03]

feld:

anyway, maybe if you ask nicely! (or if anyone here uses it...)

[03:39:13]

Achew22:

have you used it?

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feld:

Achew22: do you know Blinken? lol... Tell Robin to bring the merry men!

[03:39:38]

feld:

actually no, I have not

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Achew22:

you should try it out

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Achew22:

pretty simple install — but for the fact that it doesn't stream audio

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feld:

Achew22: uhm.... what distro u using?

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matrix:

can you use the nexus-s card on mythtv?

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody use the firewire + mythtv?

[03:46:15]

SlicerDicer-:

if so can you paste your plugreport to rafb.net/paste?

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feld:

SlicerDicer-: sh.nu/p is shorter :P

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LonEagle:

AngryElf: yeah, you can use a homebrew ir reciever.. if you want..

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: once again BITE ME! ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

I will light your ass onfire in UT2004 ;-)

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AngryElf:

if i want to anguish for hours on end soldering a circuit the size of my thumb, and it likely not work in the end.......no thanx :)

[03:50:31]

AngryElf:

isn't it odd these things aren't commercially available

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Achew22:

what things?

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AngryElf:

all the places that sell them are home-brewed ones

[03:50:44]

AngryElf:

serial ir receivers

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Achew22:

get a usb one

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Achew22:

or use a pvr's one

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AngryElf:

i'd rather have it work with lirc

[03:51:18]

Achew22:

pvr's works with lirc

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SlicerDicer-:

AngryElf: irblaster.info?

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Achew22:

thats not pro i dont think

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AngryElf:

i dont want a pvr in all of my frontends

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Achew22:

its homebrew

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Achew22:

how many do you have/

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AngryElf:

SlicerDicer-, you're awesome

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AngryElf:

2 going on 3

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Venzon:

slicerdicer: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fKiaNh69.html

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SlicerDicer-:

Venzon: see mine is whacked!

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Venzon:

n_p2p_connections=1 because it's currently recording

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SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/lWSb4E51.html

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Achew22:

is there a way to generate myth:// links from mythweb?

[03:54:00]

Venzon:

slicerdicer: why can't you set myth to use host 1?

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SlicerDicer-:

Venzon: I do but the backend crashes

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SlicerDicer-:

so I am trying to verify with test-mpeg2 that it works

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SlicerDicer-:

I am about to have recordings start in 5 mins for 2 hours

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SlicerDicer-:

so I cant do anything anyway heh

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SlicerDicer-:

once thats done I got a week to play with this :)

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AngryElf:

god forbid you had to watch......cable :(

[03:55:39]

AngryElf:

they're still running those commercials from the superbowl that were so-so funny

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LonEagle:

AngryElf: it's nto that odd that they're not commercially available

[03:55:43]

AngryElf:

you could catch up on those :D

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Achew22:

any ideas?

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LonEagle:

AngryElf: you'd need to put it on a board to mass-produce it. and need a cable built-in... and then you'd want to include a remote

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LonEagle:

and if the quantities weren't large, making up the engineering time is a pain.

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AngryElf:

mose of these that i've found are on a board

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AngryElf:

most

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AngryElf:

paypal is a piece of crap

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SlicerDicer-:

why AngryElf?

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mrec:

has anyone dvb-t here? is it normal that when scanning for a channel and no channel gets found scan prints "WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!"?

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Achew22:

why are files saved as nuv files? I have a pvr-250 could I change the extension on the file to .mpg and woudl it work?

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dev:

because you're useing an old version of myth

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dev:

when i swtiched to .19 all my pvr250 encodings were recorded .mpg

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mchou:

Achew22: if you have a pvr-x50 then those ARE mpeg files regardless of extension

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dev:

nuv just has some extra header info in it or something

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Beirdo:

dev: no extra headers on MPEG files from ivtv. regardless of the extension on the file

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phar0e:

Gotta love NewEgg, you order a 3700+ AMD64 and they give you a 4000+ instead

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mchou:

phar0e: for real??

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mchou:

phar0e: nice

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phar0e:

yes :) they must have some small print that says if they dont have any left in stock they can substitute a better model of the product

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mchou:

phar0e: is that x2 or single core?

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phar0e:

single core, I'm not THAT lucky

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mchou:

phar0e: haha!!

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phar0e:

but still, +200MHz and -$120

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mchou:

phar0e: this was a retail proc or oem?

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phar0e:

retail

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mchou:

phar0e: nice

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mchou:

phar0e: what mobo you get for it?

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phar0e:

I'm building a new frontend with one of them unichrome pro video cards

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phar0e:

asus A8V micro atx board

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mchou:

phar0e: why do you need even 3700+ for a frontend?

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phar0e:

at first I chose an intel board without the "pro" so that would've meant it couldn't do mpeg2 over 1024x768 from what I read, but the pros can so I had to re-order some stuff

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phar0e:

because the bloody mobo won't support my XP 2500+ that I had

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phar0e:

not the right socket

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mchou:

phar0e: this is an a64 cpu, right?

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phar0e:

yes

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mchou:

939 or 754?

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phar0e:

I have XP 1800 and 2500+ that are socket A, but this mobo is socket 939

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dtm:

phar0e: i'll take em.

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AngryElf:

is there a way to update myth's database?

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dtm:

phar0e: i have a socket A with a duron 1300 MHz ^_^

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mchou:

phar0e: what PSU you using?

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mchou:

with the new proc/mobo?

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phar0e:

I will never use any PSU other than an antec with smart power 2.0

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phar0e:

this one is 450 watts, antec

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mchou:

phar0e: I thought antecs were incompatible with asus......

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mchou:

phar0e: some weird shit, I havent looked deep into it

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dtm:

phar0e: ebay says an athlon 2400+ with cooler is worth about $20–40

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phar0e:

in my backend, ASUS A8V(big boy atx case) I run a 400watt antec smart power2.0 and it works wonderfully

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dtm:

fyi

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phar0e:

thanks dtm

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mchou:

phar0e: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:nldjN2QC7 . . . amp;ie=UTF-8

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phar0e:

what is Neo HE?

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mchou:

I think that antecs atx v2.2

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mchou:

phar0e: but dont quote me on that

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mchou:

phar0e: almost bought antec (for my asus) until I read about that

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phar0e:

well I already run one antec atx v2.2 PSU with an asus mobo, so I'll take my chances

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kRutOn:

Hello

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phar0e:

no I think the Neo is a different product

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kRutOn:

Anyone had problems with their OSD not having certain menus in 0.19?

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mchou:

phar0e: I dont think antec smartpower are ATX v2.2, are they? I think they are ATX v.2.0x

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mchou:

phar0e: in any case I'd think a truepower is probably better than smartpower.....

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phar0e:

450W SmartPower 2.0 ATX12V v2.01 compliant Power Supply

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phar0e:

smartpower is quieter I bet!

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phar0e:

mchou: http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 9-162-01.JPG that's the case I got

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mchou:

phar0e: who makes that case?

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mchou:

phar0e: ok, that's an antec overture II, ok

[05:22:39]

phar0e:

I'm going to use this new machine for games and mythfrontend, dual-boot

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mchou:

phar0e: does a regular atx PSU fit in that thing?

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feld:

truepower > smartpower

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phar0e:

i'm not certain, I don't believe so, I remember reading you can't replace it

[05:22:58]

feld:

not any more noise

[05:23:03]

feld:

just has better hardware, dual 12v rails

[05:23:06]

phar0e:

feld, tell me about the difference

[05:23:18]

phar0e:

hmm

[05:23:22]

feld:

i have a truepower 450 in my pc

[05:23:26]

feld:

no noise

[05:23:35]

feld:

HUGE fan takes up the whole bottom of the PSU

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mchou:

truepower puts out "rated" maximum

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feld:

~850RPM fan

[05:23:50]

mchou:

smartpower does not.

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feld:

mchou: exactly

[05:24:04]

feld:

and truepower has dual 12v rails for added stability

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mchou:

it's not clear to me dual 12V rails are an improvement :)

[05:24:52]

feld:

mchou: they are if you're pushing the PSU to its limits

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mchou:

considering you get less than half the current of a single 12V rail :)

[05:25:02]

feld:

TrueSpec Noise Rating on my box

[05:25:22]

feld:

Antec Low Noise Technology

[05:25:25]

feld:

so no, its not louder :)

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phar0e:

well maybe I made a mistake, but I still think antec makes the best power supplies and I love my other smart power PSU, and this one came with a nice case, so it's like I paid $25 for the case and $75 for the PSU, nice bundle deal

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mchou:

I think antecs might be a tad over-rated

[05:25:54]

feld:

no way mchou

[05:25:59]

mchou:

they dont make PSUs or cases

[05:26:03]

feld:

every other brand i've had has died early

[05:26:08]

feld:

antecs keep on tickin

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mchou:

strictly a rebadge operation

[05:27:07]

mchou:

I've heard good things about Fortron but I've never seen an atx2.0 or atx2.2 from them

[05:27:17]

mchou:

in person, that is.

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mchou:

feld: what other brands have you tried?

[05:28:09]

feld:

omg so many....

[05:28:18]

feld:

i'll compile a list some day :)

[05:28:26]

mchou:

feld: name a few of the "top" ones

[05:28:27]

feld:

im playing a game in my other monitor tho so im a bit busy sorry :(

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phar0e:

you guys must be from the midwest

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feld:

yeah i am from the midwest

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phar0e:

that's my theory, you guys have so many storms and whatnot that you have to worry more about your surges and power, etc.

[05:31:06]

phar0e:

here in sunny california, I just plug it in and forget about it

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mchou:

phar0e: bullshit, I live in CA

[05:31:28]

mchou:

power outtages all the time :)

[05:31:35]

phar0e:

what part of CA?

[05:31:41]

mchou:

Bay Area

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feld:

i rarely have power outages tho... cant even remember having one, really

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phar0e:

yeah... lots of rain up there!!!

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mchou:

dont like broen-outs

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phar0e:

I live in sunny southern california

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mchou:

brown*

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phar0e:

northern california would've been thrown out of the US except we need them for our water so they keep sending it

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feld:

ChanServ: Thermaltake, Enermax, Masscool — those were supposed to be great PSUs

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feld:

wtf

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feld:

why'd i talk to ChanServ

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feld:

i meant mchou

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mchou:

feld: lol, thermaltake IS the shits

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phar0e:

because you're feeling lonely?

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mchou:

I looked at one, and it was cheaply made

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phar0e:

well I hope we can still be friends guys, even though I went with smartpower over truepower

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mchou:

I've never had an Enermax go south on me though......

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phar0e:

man.. if you can get your PSU to go south on you... you gotta share your secrets

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mchou:

phar0e: I've seen plenty of psus go south

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mchou:

thermaltake being a prime example

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phar0e:

too bad you don't live in socal mchou , we could hang out and talk about external USB drives

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mchou:

they advertised 500W, but probably put out less than 200W

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dev:

now that sounds like a party ;)

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mchou:

phar0e: I wen to school in LA

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mchou:

phar0e: glad I'm out of that wasteland

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mchou:

phar0e: place aint fit for human habitation

[05:36:06]

phar0e:

woah!

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mchou:

smog, traffic, santa ana winds

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mchou:

One big fubar place

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phar0e:

I love the way santa ana winds make my skin and lips feel

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mchou:

One the other hand San Diego wasnt too bad......

[05:37:47]

mchou:

at least you felt San Diego had a cultural center.....

[05:37:54]

phar0e:

mchou: last night I learned about how cool manual keyword based scheduling was

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mchou:

even though it's a sorry-ass republican town.

[05:38:34]

phar0e:

go bush go

[05:38:57]

mchou:

bushes are ment to be fscked :)

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mchou:

meant*

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phar0e:

fscked or fucked?

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mchou:

phar0e: oh, I forgot to mention earthquakes

[05:39:59]

phar0e:

earthquakes are better than tsunamis

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mchou:

LA LA land will slide right into the ocean :)

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feld:

on my last junk PSU the P1 connector melted onto the female end on the mobo :(

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phar0e:

lol

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phar0e:

you guys just keep ranting on your chosen subjects, it's funny

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mchou:

I give you one thing though, LA is great for competitive bicycling :)

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mchou:

feld: no kidding?

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feld:

no joke

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feld:

i couldnt take pixtures because i had no camera at the time

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feld:

*pictures

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mchou:

feld: what mobo and PSU?

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feld:

it was a gigabyte mobo and i dont remember which of the PSUs it was off hand...

[05:42:14]

feld:

i had to cut the wires off the psu to remove it from the mobo

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mchou:

feld: were you able to salvage the mobo?

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mchou:

or was it beyond redemption?

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feld:

yeah

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feld:

sent it in and they replaced the P1 on the mobo

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feld:

resoldered in a new one

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feld:

worked fine

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mchou:

feld: gigabyte did this or a generic place?

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phar0e:

damn, thought we could get away with some unlogged conversation

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feld:

gigabyte

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feld:

they were dicks about it though and spent forever sending it back

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mchou:

feld: did they do it for free?

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feld:

only shipping costs for me

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feld:

i blamed them for the problem

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mchou:

feld: that's why they were dicks

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feld:

and the PSU got replaced and sold because i called them up and blamed them

[05:44:34]

feld:

i had to send the psu in too

[05:44:40]

feld:

so i got a new one back and sold it

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mchou:

feld: I would have just soldered the ATX connector on myself.....

[05:45:19]

mchou:

feld: you had to send the psu back to gigabyte or where?

[05:45:20]

feld:

i have no soldering tools here

[05:45:28]

feld:

psu back to the manufacturer

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feld:

its own... i think thermaltake

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mchou:

feld: lol. I'd never buy thermaltake for anything. probably not even a HSF

[05:46:21]

feld:

i keep it basic for HSF

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mchou:

place is completely marketing driven.....

[05:46:31]

feld:

cpucool or whatever they are

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feld:

it does the job for me

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feld:

oh, and arctic silver or shin-etsu, whatever is around

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Agrajag-:

i've got a thermaltake cpu heatsink thing, it's massive, but it does the job well

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mchou:

thermaltake PSUs are the shits

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Agrajag-:

got temp down 20 degrees from what it was without it

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phar0e:

i'm going to try and run my frontend cpu without a fan, just the heatsink, since it shouldn't be using much cpu

[05:47:42]

mchou:

phar0e: oops there goes that 4000+ :)

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phar0e:

haha

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phar0e:

I just hope when I return it they give me a 4000+ back or higher

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

dream on :)

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phar0e:

I read the unichrome pro onboard video card can only do 2d? it isnt very good for 3d gaming? tell me this isn't the case

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feld:

onboard and gaming in the same sentence should be an instant ban in every irc network

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Beirdo:

!list

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MythLogBot:

help, list, notice, search, seen, trout

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Beirdo:

hmm

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mchou:

phar0e: you gonna do any HDTV with the new cpu combo?

[05:50:59]

phar0e:

has anyone read about people using mythtv in a LARGE environment, like over a WAN or a big college LAN?

[05:51:12]

phar0e:

I'm already doing HDTV with my new backend I just build a few weeks back

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feld:

phar0e: it should have no problems as long as the bandwidth is there

[05:51:36]

feld:

few more switches, some distance will only add a bit more latency

[05:51:50]

feld:

as long as you arent fully saturating any links and starvig the network you'll be fine

[05:51:53]

phar0e:

but my current frontend(xp1800+ w/ gf4mx) doesn't seem to like xvmc with 2.4 kernel , it plays it fine using libmpeg2 as the playback driver, but not 1080dpi recordings, only the 720

[05:52:01]

shape:

will the plextor convertx work with myth?

[05:52:12]

feld:

yes it will

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shape:

cool

[05:52:18]

feld:

its in the capture card config

[05:52:33]

shape:

still compiling a new box

[05:52:48]

feld:

do I smell another Gentoo user?

[05:52:53]

phar0e:

feld: yeah I know it only depends on bandwidth, but I was curious if anyone read about any big projects like that

[05:52:56]

shape:

naw im a slack guy

[05:53:04]

feld:

darn :(

[05:53:07]

phar0e:

slackware & debian are the only way to go, let no one tell you otherwise

[05:53:15]

feld:

AHAHAHAA

[05:53:19]

feld:

phar0e: you make me laugh :)

[05:53:23]

phar0e:

I try my best

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mchou:

phar0e: that cause you have limited MEMORY bandwidth

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shape:

10 years with slack no going back now

[05:53:37]

phar0e:

between my full of shit comments and complete bs ones, some will make you laugh

[05:54:09]

phar0e:

but I'm entitled to my opinions, even if they have no backing

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feld:

i tried mythtv on ubuntu to see if the problem I was having was distro related (it wasnt)

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feld:

I did a server install of ubuntu and tried to build up from there to being a bare minimum mythtv install

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feld:

I came to one conclusion: debian/ubuntu blow. you dont handle dependencys worth shit.

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feld:

why doesnt mythtv (the frontend) bring in X? why is it that I can't find a single way to bring in all of X without bringing in gnome-desktop and killing it when all the X packages are in?

[05:58:17]

feld:

it was such a mess I about shot myself.

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phar0e:

what distro do you use feld?

[05:58:58]

feld:

and your apache configuration is hellacious. you have to add a billion unsupported repos to get any of the software i wanted.... so stupid.

[05:59:02]

feld:

phar0e: ubuntu

[05:59:09]

phar0e:

you don't like it?

[05:59:26]

phar0e:

oh wait, I missed a few of your comments

[05:59:29]

phar0e:

the one saying they blow

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UBL:

try slackware :)

[06:00:25]

phar0e:

well me personally I don't like anything handling dependancies for me, I like to know exactly what the machine has installed and installing it all manually

[06:00:59]

feld:

phar0e: thats the most retarded thing i've ever heard. it's going in my channel's quote database. :)

[06:01:01]

phar0e:

I don't want my gentoo config saying "-with-jacks" and installing everything with jacks

[06:01:18]

feld:

phar0e: you've never used Gentoo then

[06:01:22]

feld:

because thats not how it works

[06:01:31]

feld:

you can do use flags globally or per package

[06:01:35]

phar0e:

I know, but how I said it was funnier

[06:01:43]

phar0e:

it installs everything with jacks

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dev:

interesting

[06:02:02]

feld:

and you can do a -* in global so that you must specify every single one :)

[06:02:20]

phar0e:

so wait, explain my retarded quote for me, I don't understand

[06:02:40]

feld:

phar0e: why use any package management system if you dont want any of your dependencys handled?

[06:02:52]

feld:

you might as well go back to Slackware '94 or use LFS

[06:02:56]

phar0e:

oh, I don't use packages or ports or any of that, that's what I meant

[06:03:24]

feld:

phar0e: thats completely appalling and disgusting. I can't imagine the mess of an install you have.

[06:03:36]

dev:

thats the way its been for years and years

[06:03:37]

phar0e:

it's very clean, only have what I need

[06:03:40]

dev:

its not a mess heh

[06:03:45]

feld:

don't tell me you take notes on the location of every file related to every package

[06:03:54]

feld:

it just doesnt happen

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dev:

lol sure it does

[06:04:21]

feld:

i know it was that way for years and years, but nobody does that anymore. if they do, they obviously aren't managing their systems properly

[06:04:22]

phar0e:

it's simple where it puts things

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dev:

if you even bother to look at things instead of emergeing and going "look, i know linux" you'd know about libdirs and incdirs and ld_library_path and shit like that

[06:04:43]

phar0e:

I even keep my "build" directories so I can use most software's make deinstall script to remove all files if I need to

[06:04:59]

feld:

i know what ld_library_path is

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dev:

feld: you can still manage many boxes when you know whats been installed...

[06:05:22]

Venzon:

pff, c'mon, you don't seriously remember the package that every file in your /usr/lib came from

[06:05:29]

feld:

Venzon: thank you very much

[06:05:33]

feld:

these guys are crack monkeys

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dev:

Venzon: of course you do, you save all the source you compiled from

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kRutOn:

package management is for people that don't spend 100% of their lives managing the Linux system

[06:05:45]

feld:

dev: why would you save all the source? talk about bloat.

[06:06:18]

dev:

talk about fast recovery times from any multitude of problems when you have config.status' and source archived and binaries already compiled

[06:06:22]

feld:

this is like saying "I built an enterprise network but I have no notes of any configs and no network diagrams. I just hope I remember how everything works."

[06:06:27]

dev:

like say some toolass of a developer rm's a binary on accident heh

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phar0e:

if you have many boxes you just NFS share the build directories and make install on other machines with similar hardware setups

[06:06:36]

kRutOn:

I remember upgrading from SLS Linux and I swore never to have unmanaged software again

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Venzon:

so if you posted an "ls /usr/lib" on one of those paste websites, and we picked any file at random, you'd be able to tell us what package it came from within a minute or so?

[06:07:07]

feld:

yes dev, could you?

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dev:

Venzon: why would have to look there if you have everything installed in 1 directory you can just ls and grep on

[06:07:31]

dev:

er not installed, untar'd

[06:07:44]

dev:

but yeah, i could heh

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dev:

thats how geek i am heh

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dev:

i admit it mmk

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feld:

that's not geek, its unorganized and unprofessional

[06:08:07]

dev:

that i 'could'?

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feld:

completely unacceptable

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dev:

thats not how i do it haha

[06:08:22]

dev:

we actually use all redhes

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dev:

rhes

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feld:

then why have you been arguing this point? lol

[06:08:31]

dev:

and a few rhas, but we know they're the same.

[06:08:38]

dev:

because doing it by source is not bad

[06:08:44]

dev:

its just 'another way', it happens to be a much older way

[06:08:52]

dev:

time tested, mother approved

[06:08:55]

dev:

as the case may be.

[06:08:58]

feld:

that way is as messy as a programmer never commenting any code

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phar0e:

isn't there a utility that can tell you exactly what libraries are linked to one another or something and determine which package it came from? I think ldd?

[06:09:15]

feld:

I just dont understand why anyone would find it to be acceptable these days

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dev:

feld: its not messy if you're the only person admining the box

[06:09:22]

feld:

phar0e: yes

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feld:

phar0e: it tells you what libs are linked to which binary, AFAIK

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Venzon:

unless you keep meticulous notes or something, then it's pretty messy

[06:09:52]

Venzon:

but why keep notes? let a package manager do it for you

[06:10:10]

Venzon:

although i do hate distros based on binary packages... gentoo4evar

[06:10:30]

dev:

or why bother useing a package manager when you run an agent that reports your entire system stats every couple hours to a collector server

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dev:

then gee hrm you'd be able to admin a few thousand boxes that way pretty easily

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dev:

heh

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phar0e:

well all I'm saying is, when you rely on packages and ports or whatever you're building the software how someone thinks the author wants you to build it, with distro specific patches, etc.. when you build from source you get exactly what the author intended and can easily upgrade to the latest and greatest at your leisure

[06:11:24]

dev:

not to mention you also run into things like version control

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Venzon:

you have to deal with version control anyway

[06:11:40]

dev:

you go to update something one day and all of a sudden a billion things need to be upgraded

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dev:

because of this new version they're trying to force down your throat

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dev:

not because its required, but because its the 'latest stable'

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Venzon:

huh, i dunno what distros you've used, but you should check out gentoo

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dev:

then "oh darn now i have to go exclude this or roll back cvs for that package to a specific date" but either way or whatever day its gotta be done

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dev:

and it can be annoying to just 'run into something new to do' that you now have to rescript over a few hundred boxes

[06:12:43]

dev:

or what not.

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phar0e:

I think it's just another one of those personal preference things, you gotta give up control to be more "organized" or you give up orginization to gain more control

[06:13:10]

Venzon:

yeah

[06:13:18]

Venzon:

i do have an actual mythtv question, though...

[06:13:21]

akaias:

running myth 0.19 on gentoo. i have mythbackend added to the default runlevel, on boot it says it started successfully but its not running. i have to launch it manually for the frontend to connect. any ideas why its not starting with the runlevel?

[06:13:38]

dev:

personally i dont think you give up any orgination running src over pk management

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dev:

you just wind up doing more work in the beginning for src if you do something new

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dev:

but like in some places src is the only way it can be

[06:14:45]

Venzon:

akaias: the myth 0.18 /etc/init.d/mythbackend starts up the backend as root, 0.19 doesn't

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Venzon:

ah, src isn't that much work at the beginning

[06:15:35]

Venzon:

it's just a mess a lot later when you try to upgrade something and it says you need to upgrade some lib, and you try to upgrade that and that complains about some other lib, and you try to... etc.

[06:15:37]

akaias:

Venzon, ahh. is there a way to change it or do i just have to launch it manually?

[06:16:42]

dev:

Venzon: yeah, dependency fun. but you just check the docs really quick, make a quick list, of things you need, wget them all away you go

[06:17:05]

Venzon:

and then those libs all complain about twenty other libs that are outdated...

[06:17:12]

Venzon:

so you have to recurse... and recurse...

[06:17:19]

dev:

akaias: it could be a few things, /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt could be wrong so it cant connect to the db

[06:17:26]

dev:

akaias: i think perms on the recording dir is a show stopper too

[06:17:35]

feld:

and thats why God invented Gentoo

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Venzon:

akaias: http://pastebin.ca/45005

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dev:

gentoo's not bad pkm

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Venzon:

that's the init.d script from 0.18

[06:18:07]

dev:

especially since i think fbsd ports is the best pkm known to man

[06:18:08]

dev:

:D

[06:18:18]

Venzon:

if your conf.d still has the MYTH_USER entry then that older init.d script should work for you

[06:18:27]

phar0e:

yeah I used fbsd for 5 years, loved upgrading ports, was a daily ritual

[06:18:41]

phar0e:

pkg_config | grep -v

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Venzon:

so is anyone else using firewire capture from a cable box? about a third of the time, i end up getting "Firewire: No Input in 15 seconds" in my myth backend log and the recorded file is size 0... test-mpeg2 has about the same ratio of success to failure (no response)... anyone else have similar problems and manage to fix it? i have a motorolla cable box....

[06:21:05]

dev:

not doing firewire yet

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phar0e:

hey venzon I capture HDTV via firewire, SA3250HD

[06:21:20]

Venzon:

ever run into that prob?

[06:21:24]

phar0e:

yes

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Venzon:

any idea how to fix it??

[06:21:57]

phar0e:

whenever I try to capture over firewire a channel I don't get I get 0 byte size files... and anything after that, tuning to a good or bad channel produce the same thing

[06:22:10]

phar0e:

I have to unload ochi1394 and raw1394 and modprobe them again to fix it

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phar0e:

may or may not be your problem

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Venzon:

hum, well, i don't think i'm doing that

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Venzon:

are you doing point to point or broadcast? i haven't tried broadcast yet

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phar0e:

but capturing say... HBO over firewire will disable my firewire capture until I reload the 1394 modules

[06:23:09]

phar0e:

only thing that Myth seemed to like was P2P and 200Mbps

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xris:

!search beirdo

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phar0e:

it would give me that no input for 15 seconds error when I tried at 100Mbps

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Venzon:

hmm, well, i'm set to 200Mbps... and it *usually* works...

[06:24:08]

Venzon:

if myth would just retry once or twice i'm sure it would start working, it always does with test-mpeg2

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xris:

!search mythweb htaccess

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phar0e:

well it's very sensetive, I know that much

[06:24:40]

phar0e:

oh.. what version of myth are you running?

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Venzon:

0.19

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phar0e:

ok, well my firewire was fickity in .19 too

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Beirdo:

!search mythweb htaccess

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phar0e:

have you had a chance to read the release notes for fixes and improvements in .20(currently svn) ?

[06:27:11]

phar0e:

"Improved firewire recording by setting HD ringbuffer size as firewire buffer size"

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Venzon:

oo, no, i haven't

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Venzon:

ah hrmm!

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phar0e:

it really did the trick for me, but.. SVN is scary stuff ! ! !

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phar0e:

well not really, but you know...

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Venzon:

yeah... i use SVN on one of my projects, so i'm familiar with it

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Venzon:

but do i need to upgrade my frontends to 0.20 for them to work with the backend, then?

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phar0e:

sometimes it can fix one problem but cause some others, but that's how it goes for every new release anyways I guess

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phar0e:

yeah you do

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dev:

Venzon: you could try the fixes branch instead of svn

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dev:

er instead of .20 (svn)

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dev:

there are lots of fixes in there

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Venzon:

the fixes branch is in svn also?

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phar0e:

no man, do svn, they have some kickass new opengl menu effects for the menus now, they fade and stuff :)

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dev:

yup

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dev:

svn.mythtv.org

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Venzon:

ah, thanks

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dev:

yw

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akaias:

Venzon, thanks. i replaced the backend script with that paste bin. on boot i now get a message that user nobody isnt in the audio or video groups. i try to add it but don't have a nobody user.

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phar0e:

brb testing to see if my cable company gave me more channels over firewire like I nicely asked them to

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akaias:

Venzon, after it says that it says the BE might not start correctly, but then it say it does. but its not really running. same as before.

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Venzon:

akaias: make sure you put MYTH_USER=root in your /etc/conf.d/mythbackend

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Venzon:

or whatever user is appropriate

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phar0e:

m'fers...

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Venzon:

what cable company, phar0e?

[06:33:58]

phar0e:

timewarner

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Venzon:

also, where did you hear about that firewire fix?

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akaias:

Venzon, thanks alot. its not starting on boot as it was in .18. does it matter if i use root for the myth user or should i use a user account?

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phar0e:

Venzon: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20

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Venzon:

ah... i have comcast, all of my channels were available over firewire unencrypted... i was pretty happy

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akaias:

Venzon, er. not-> now

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Venzon:

i dunno, just depends how comfortable you are running it as root, i guess

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phar0e:

lucky you, I get NBC-DT, FOX-DT, ABC-DT, KCET-DT(PBS) only... they used to give me TNT-HD and Discovery HD but they took them away

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phar0e:

I capture all 300 channels I want over svideo in SD form though, so it's not too bad, fox is all I really care about and have had no problems with it

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atom_jack:

anyone know why i would be getting prebuffering pauses while watching in-progress HD recordings? Once the recording is done I can watch it just fine, but when it's in the process of being recorded, it pauses every second and a half or so..

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Venzon:

so the trunk in SVN is version 0.20?

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akaias:

Venzon, its a closed system, so i dont see any security issues. but i'll switch it to my user. now to get frontend starting automatically and i'll be ready for tivo replacing action.

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xris:

!search mythweb htaccess

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phar0e:

Venzon: I don't really understand all the different branches , sorry.. I just use SVN for bleeding edge

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Venzon:

okay

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dev:

yeah trunk/* is what you want

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dev:

if you want .20

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xris:

!search mythweb htaccess

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Venzon:

okeedokee... thanks all

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Venzon:

got to go to bed now....

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phar0e:

sleep well

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dev:

if you go to .20 you cant go back, though

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dev:

unless you make a backup of db..

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dev:

so backup :D

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Venzon:

okay :-)

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phar0e:

don't backup, it's all about the firewire

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Venzon:

hehehe

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dev:

i dunno if that ringbuffer change will fix his problem though

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phar0e:

I had the same symptoms, where it'd just timeout after 15 seconds with that same message

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phar0e:

it's worth a shot I think, look at that line, said it improves firewire

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dev:

id have to look at the my log but i thought he also said it wasont work at all after that

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phar0e:

anyone here know a good codec for transcoding an SD recording into HD?

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dev:

but id have to look and im too tired so i dunno hehe

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Venzon:

no it works sporadically

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Venzon:

about a third of the time

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Venzon:

it fails

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dev:

a third what, catting the device or useing mythtv

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Venzon:

both

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dev:

if you cant reliably capture of the device thats some kind of modules/box config/cable problem

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dev:

not really mythtv

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Venzon:

hrm, that's a good point, i suppose

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dev:

however fucked up my engrish was lol

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Venzon:

although really, if mythtv would just retry.... :-)

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dev:

tired heh

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phar0e:

xris: hey chris, I think I remember the question I wanted to ask you... is it possible from mythweb to set a recording to begin transcoding or to tell it not to auto-expire or can you only do that in WatchingRecording mode?

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dev:

you'd rather fix the problem not the sympton though ;)

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xris:

phar0e: not after it's been recorded (yet)

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Venzon:

yeah, but i'm pretty sure that the firewire stuff is set up properly now on my box... i've tried two firewire cards with similar results

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phar0e:

ahh, thank you, I figured you'd add useful stuff like that if it were possible, keep up the good work, I really like mythweb

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Venzon:

so if it's a cable box problem....

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dev:

maybe its something else then

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Venzon:

i don't know what i can really do

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dev:

you need to be able to capture from the device regularly for mythtv to not have any problems hehe

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xris:

phar0e: yeah, mainly just too many things going on in my life.

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phar0e:

xris: I know, I read your website, you're nuts

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xris:

phar0e: I don't think I've updated my website in months. heh

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xris:

if people are reading it, maybe I should. heh.

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dev:

aww you're so handsome

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dev:

hehe :D

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phar0e:

he speaks Spanish fluently as well, so while you two are going brokeback mountain on eachother he can whisper sweet spanish phrases into your ear, dev.

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dev:

costa rica, nice

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dev:

i want to go there

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xris:

dev: awesome place.

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shape:

what is the fastest anybody compiled myth?

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dev:

yeah you have some pretty sick pictures

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phar0e:

shape: 10 minutes

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dev:

im sure mines no way near the fastest, but was something like 12minutes

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phar0e:

nobody better put a lower number in there or I'm going to lie and say I did it faster

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dev:

maybe i'll time it and just do it now heh

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dev:

i could cheat and scp it to work

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shape:

my dual 450 server blows now

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xris:

dev: huh? sick photos?

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phar0e:

you better make clean first...

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dev:

xris: slang, for better than awesome

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dev:

must be an east coast thing, sorry

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xris:

ahhh... now I feel old. heh.

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phar0e:

we say sick on the west coast too

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xris:

phar0e: not here we don't

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phar0e:

and dope and tight, although those aren't too cool to say

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phar0e:

we call things dope, haha

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phar0e:

haven't used tubular since the ninja turtles, however.

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xris:

I actually had someone email me today asking for the rights to use one of my photos in some trade show backdrop

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xris:

phar0e: bodacious

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phar0e:

goodbye shape >:

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phar0e:

haha chris, yeah that too

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xris:

now I don't feel so old anymore. heh.

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Gumby:

"sick" is definately not an east coast thing. lol. I live on the west coast and hear it all the tim

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Gumby:

e

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phar0e:

dev: do you have a new jersey accent?

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xris:

Gumby: I must just not get out enough

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phar0e:

just wait until the wankers from the UK start logging on and you'll start hearing all sorts of things you've never heard of before

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xris:

oh well. enough computer time for me tonight.... later (for now)

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phar0e:

bye

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xris:

and I even posted a news item for those who seem to read my web page.

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phar0e:

i'm obsessed

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dev:

haha no, no new jersey accent

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phar0e:

I could picture you with one

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dev:

not all people on the east coast live in jersey though ;)

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phar0e:

trust me... at one time or another they all lived there, I'm pretty sure

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phar0e:

alright maybe I'm wrong

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phar0e:

are you from one of the carolinas?

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phar0e:

I get 10 guesses

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dev:

i could tell you, but then id have to kill you

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phar0e:

your irc vanity host doesn't seem to help me any..

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dev:

;/

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phar0e:

Pennsylvania?

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dev:

damn shell boxes and their hostnames

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phar0e:

Florida? ok I give up

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dev:

awe already i wanted to see if you could guess it. there's like 13 right

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dev:

the 13 colonies! and shit.

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dev:

EAST SIDDEEE.. lol

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dev:

we could do it the other way now

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dev:

where i try and guess the city you live in in los angles county?

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phar0e:

ok but it's not LA county

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phar0e:

it's a city somewhere inbetween San Diego and LA

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dev:

darn yeah, orange county

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dev:

and i dont know anything about orange county

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody familiar with firewire capture?

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dev:

;/

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: me!

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phar0e:

think ORANGE county... what city

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: are you ozzy?

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dev:

peeler city!

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: ok well I am trying to figure out what the deal is with my capture

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phar0e:

hint: I live in a city named after ______ groves.... it is also a colour.

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SlicerDicer-:

I keep having it be on host adapter 1

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phar0e:

plugreport shows you it's on host adapter 1?

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SlicerDicer-:

every example online is related to host adapter 0

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dev:

i dont remeber an orange city out there lol

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: so it doesn't work? when you specify the host 1 node #?

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phar0e:

and can you not plug the host into another port to get host adapter 0?

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: I am trying to get a test done with test-mpeg2

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phar0e:

test-mpeg2 -r 1 TEST.ts

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: that is my only port

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SlicerDicer-:

libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63.

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SlicerDicer-:

Starting to receive

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phar0e:

weird

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phar0e:

yet plugreport shows something plugged into one of the nodes?

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SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/POoOU398.html

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dev:

real 11m42.109s

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dev:

i was right heh

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phar0e:

slow machine

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dev:

machines ;/

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dev:

but yeah, they're slow

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: i'm unsure, do you think you need to specify -r and -t?

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dev:

i could transfer it to work... but id run into depend problems and i dont want to install qt just to satisfy some curiousity haha

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phar0e:

hopefully tomorrow i'll be installing my new system

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: I have no idea heh

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phar0e:

try test-mpeg2 -r 1 -t 1 although I'm not sure if it'll take that

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SlicerDicer-:

nay

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phar0e:

how well do you think your firewire card in your computer works?

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SlicerDicer-:

I am pretty sure it works heh

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phar0e:

I actually have no idea what could be the problem, i'm sorry

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phar0e:

your plugreport looks fine to me

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah but the problem is NOBODY has writen anything about host adapter 1

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SlicerDicer-:

it does not exist on google

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phar0e:

I hate that

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phar0e:

did you try google's newsgroup search?

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xris:

hmph.. no svn for me. ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_audio_get_channels'

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phar0e:

woah, what happened to no more computer time?

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xris:

"for now"

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xris:

basically, I needed a shower. heh.

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xris:

ok, found the linker compile fix.

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xris:

compiling in 64 bit is fast, esp. with ccache. heh

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phar0e:

what distro do you run chris?

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xris:

fedora

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xris:

ubuntu at work, but it's annoying me so I'm going to reinstall core5 when it comes out (hopefully) next week

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SlicerDicer-:

this is so freaking annoying

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SlicerDicer-:

fricken hell phar0e

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: we really need to have a meetup at some point.

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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phar0e:

why fricken hell me?!

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xris:

phar0e: ?

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phar0e:

did I screw something up? if so I'm sorry

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SlicerDicer-:

its capturing video through my sound card or trying

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SlicerDicer-:

thats where host adapter 0 is

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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phar0e:

haha

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SlicerDicer-:

its not capturing anything though

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: I wonder if comcast has the port disabled?

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phar0e:

it's very possible

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phar0e:

but if you ask for it to be enabled by law I believe they have to

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SlicerDicer-:

omg no

[07:24:40]

SlicerDicer-:

its going

[07:24:45]

SlicerDicer-:

holy shit this file is fricken huge

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phar0e:

yeah that's HD for you

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SlicerDicer-:

oops

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dev:

9.4gig/hr ;/

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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phar0e:

6.0gig/hr at 720 resolution channels(Fox)

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SlicerDicer-:

the question is why is it not as high as res as what xris sent me :/

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xris:

wow. compiled myth TWICE on my 64 bit machine in less time than it takes my other machine to do it once (granted, it's faster, 64 bit and dual core, and the other isn't)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: different shows are different size

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dev:

xris: did you time it?

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xris:

dev: no, just compiling them side by side

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dev:

time make this time ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh xris

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dev:

real 11m42.109s on 2 xp3200's and 1 sempron2500 ;/

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: wow this looks nice :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you get all the channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

will find out soon enough aye?

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phar0e:

hey for video cards are PCI-Express x1 or x16 the way of the future?

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dev:

way of the future? a new bus!

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: I need a better antenna.. and to get rid of boeing field... then I might get them all.

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dev:

we'll switch back to agp, agp-quantum!

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xris:

stupid airport COMPLETELY blocks fox.

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: now to start changing channels and see what happens haha

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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xris:

heh

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Beirdo:

I was hoping it would have sent more notifies... damn only 2

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the files are huge though hehe

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: yes

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SlicerDicer-:

:/ nah upper channels die

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xris:

and up to svn I go

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SlicerDicer-:

david letterman is 1080i heh

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SlicerDicer-:

TNT

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SlicerDicer-:

it works

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xris:

yeah. late night is. and pbs usually is

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Beirdo:

hmm, late night... it certainly is

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah TNT is capturing

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SlicerDicer-:

I have tested 5 channels so far hehe

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Beirdo:

I think I shall leave the bot to its own devices for a while and drag my arse to bed

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dev:

i'll never forget leno's show when he first did it in hd... with the 2 hot chicks in bikinis throwing a beachball back and forth

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SlicerDicer-:

this rocks xris

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dev:

Beirdo: dream of blondes in bikinis throwing a beachball!

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Beirdo:

nah

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dev:

aw

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Beirdo:

got other plans

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: firewire?

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

I cant capture HBO and shit like that but whatever

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xris:

nice

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xris:

heh

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Beirdo:

my fiancee's latina, not blonde

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SlicerDicer-:

discovery I cannot capture I think

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SlicerDicer-:

that pisses me off

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dev:

latina, nice

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SlicerDicer-:

why the fuck does discovery channel need encryption

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dev:

mines italian

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dev:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed.

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xris:

heh, cool.. opengl fading

[07:45:22]

SlicerDicer-:

I am watching Alias in HDTV from TNT lol

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xris:

mine's, um... typical american scandinavian mutt.. just like me.

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phar0e:

those m'fers at timewarner took my HD TNT and Discovery away.. never gave me CBS to begin with

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tetra:

hi

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phar0e:

yo tetra

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tetra:

phar0e in da haus

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tetra:

phar0e: do you remember when the FCC said the old broadcasts would end by 2006?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I just recorded 1.6gb

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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tetra:

should be nothing but high definition now

[07:55:09]

tetra:

now it IS 2006

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: it's easy with hd

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xris:

tetra: you want to buy me an hdtv?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: how do you store it all?

[07:56:30]

tetra:

xris: only if the fcc will eliminate VHF

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phar0e:

it's bullshit tetra , my cable company charges me extra for HDTV, rediculous

[07:56:45]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: so does mine

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xris:

dish won't charge me extra.

[07:57:01]

tetra:

phar0e: wait for 2009, that's the new 'deadline'

[07:57:23]

xris:

of course, if I don't wnat to pay hundreds for my own box, they charge me a higher rental fee for the HD-capable box.

[07:57:28]

tetra:

VHF spectrum should be released by 2009.

[07:57:53]

xris:

tetra: and I might have an hdtv by then. heh

[07:58:01]

tetra:

xris: rental is more expensive

[07:58:22]

tetra:

xris: good point, i might have one also

[07:58:32]

xris:

tetra: who said anything about rental?

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xris:

I just have higher priorities than a $2k tv...

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xris:

s/higher/other/

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tetra:

xris: you did, rental fees

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xris:

oh, for hd box? I don't

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tetra:

00:57 <+xris> of course, if I don't wnat to pay hundreds for my own box, they charge me a higher rental fee for

[07:59:36]

xris:

buying an hd box is like $700... rental is $5/month more

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xris:

I don't do either.

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xris:

wait, that can't be right, though....

[08:00:01]

tetra:

hd box of chocolates? :)

[08:00:14]

tetra:

never know what you're gonna get? :)

[08:00:17]

xris:

who needs chocolates, my wife is a pastry chef (well, used to be)

[08:00:34]

tetra:

mmmm bagels

[08:00:54]

tetra:

HD is free broadcast

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xris:

and I get some of that on my air2pc

[08:01:14]

xris:

nearby airport kills my reception, though

[08:02:34]

tetra:

how is your elevation and land surroundings?

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tetra:

m1k3 has v6, ooh.

[08:04:07]

tetra:

xris: you already said nearby airport, your land surroundings should be rather flat

[08:05:29]

tetra:

I'd like to happily be enjoying HDTV by now, but I feel cheated by the FCC.

[08:06:01]

xris:

tetra: I'm on the back side of a hill, on the opposite side from the towers.

[08:06:09]

xris:

sad, since I'm only about 6 miles away from the furthest.

[08:06:25]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: are you around?

[08:06:36]

phar0e:

sort of kind of, trying to buy a new video card for gaming that is cheap

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tetra:

or commercialist capitalist lobbyists for the manufacturers

[08:07:01]

tetra:

phar0e: there aren't any cheap worth gamingg

[08:07:18]

phar0e:

well, doesn't have to be cheap, just better and quieter than my last one

[08:07:56]

tetra:

phar0e: video cards aren't loud or quiet

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phar0e:

you know what I mean mr. nitpicky

[08:08:22]

SlicerDicer-:

6800GS

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tetra:

no, what do you mean by

[08:08:38]

SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: anyway I am wondering I got it working

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SlicerDicer-:

adapter 0, node 0

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tetra:

phar0e: i like my 6600GT

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xris:

phar0e: my 6800gt was $130 after rebate

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SlicerDicer-:

now my question is

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the GS is far more powerful

[08:09:32]

SlicerDicer-:

the one kormoc got

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: kormoc paid a lot more than me

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tetra:

VHF should be gone sooner.

[08:10:18]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: 200$ for a card that can SLI and beats the tar out of a 6800GT is worth it :)

[08:10:34]

phar0e:

what is SLI?

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tetra:

yeah sli isn't mainstream yet

[08:11:01]

tetra:

sli is still *above* mainstream

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: anyway do you mind checking your settings and let me know what the settings for your firewire is?

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xris:

not a gt, I guess.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127179

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SlicerDicer-:

tetra: by the time I go SLI I doubt it will be a big deal

[08:11:36]

tetra:

SlicerDicer-: your opinion

[08:11:54]

SlicerDicer-:

well put it this way

[08:11:54]

tetra:

SlicerDicer-: i have no idea when you plan to go to sli

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tetra:

or

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SlicerDicer-:

I can run farcry at 100% settings

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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tetra:

if sli will EVER be a 'big deal'

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phar0e:

for my firewire it's P2P, 200Mbps, 0,0

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phar0e:

is that what you wanted?

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xris:

'night, all....

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SlicerDicer-:

ok phar0e thanks

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phar0e:

np

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phar0e:

afk grabbing some food

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150132

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I got

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SlicerDicer-:

and damn its cheap now

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tetra:

i like cheap

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Gumby:

I agree. Nothing like a $5 gummer down on Hastings St.

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tetra:

hahah :[

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SlicerDicer-:

tetra: I dont buy cheap

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SlicerDicer-:

cheap explodes and dies

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tetra:

cheap is easily replaced

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SlicerDicer-:

why replace when it will last for ages?

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean honestly

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tetra:

cheap is cheaply replaced

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SlicerDicer-:

OMG

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SlicerDicer-:

I just turned on mythfrontend

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SlicerDicer-:

they are talking QVC about porno

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tetra:

SlicerDicer-: because Human Resources are cheap, hardware isn't as cheap

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phar0e:

I only have AGP >< is that bad?

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tetra:

phar0e: better than only ISA/VLB

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phar0e:

maybe I should just keep my radeon 9800 pro and replace it's stupid HSF+Fan for the 3rd time

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tetra:

phar0e: in 2048x1536, the > looks to be a little above the < :)

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Gumby:

cheap is ok at times, other times, going cheap is a bad idea

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Gumby:

psu, dont go cheap.

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tetra:

yeah

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phar0e:

:<

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tetra:

psu

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I learned the hardway and had 2 explode

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tetra:

psu don't buy $11

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tetra:

go at least $30 for a PSU

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Gumby:

if you are buying a video card, and you arenr using it for extreme gameing on the latest games, a cheap video card is fine

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phar0e:

what kind of screen do you have that you're in 2048x1536?

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Gumby:

I wont go less than $50CAD for a PSU

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: hmm I keep having my backend lockup lol and my frontend lockup

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tetra:

phar0e: 21" CRT. :) two.

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tetra:

4096x1536

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phar0e:

tetra: let's see a screenshot of it, I don't believe you

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: hmm, it locks up? like the entire machine?

[08:20:21]

tetra:

phar0e: gimp can do that?

[08:20:29]

SlicerDicer-:

no I just kill it

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phar0e:

or ImageMagick

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: sounds like a hardware issue. so much for your non cheap hardware theory

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SlicerDicer-:

haphazard capture too

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phar0e:

"import -window root SCREENSHOT.jpg"

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tetra:

phar0e: whatever you want, /msg me if you need to

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: you dont know what I am having to do to do this

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tetra:

ok

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tetra:

import

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: ok, why is it locking up then?

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Gumby:

I only know if you tell me

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I am using a firewire port that was designed for SOUND only to capture video cause the stupid shit wont let me select the correct input

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phar0e:

yeah try to run it with a more verbose set of logging

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Shape_awy:

i cant get mysql to run it cant connect to local server any ideas?

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: and its a problem cause its locking up? you are trying to do something the hardware wasnt meant to do. At least thats what is sounds like from your explanation

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Gumby:

Shape_awy: logfile errors are key in these curcumstances

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: well the first problem is my Audigy Firewire port is taking over as Host 0

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SlicerDicer-:

I need my actual firewire to be host 0

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SlicerDicer-:

not host 1

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SlicerDicer-:

but I am streaming the video through firewire audio port on the Audigy 2

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Gumby:

I can honestly say I have 0 expecience with firewire. But why does it HAVE to be host0?

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SlicerDicer-:

beacuse the software seems to be so limited it wont work otherwise

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phar0e:

yeah come to think of it I haven't read about anything on host 1 working

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: why not use your actual firewire?

[08:25:03]

Gumby:

or disable it

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: umm if I knew how to disable the audigy firewire I would?

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Gumby:

i'd first look at the modules it loads

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Gumby:

then blacklist or remove that module

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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SlicerDicer-:

well I dont know how to locate the modules for that

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Gumby:

or, load the firewire module first

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Gumby:

whats your output of lsmod

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juski:

do an lsmod & see

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phar0e:

juski is awake!

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: firewire is not in there

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: I never asked if it was

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phar0e:

should be like raw1394 or ohci1394 or ieee1394

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tetra:

Meh.

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juski:

yeah I had a rude awakening.. Get up! Your other wing mirror has been smashed!!!

[08:28:00]

Gumby:

wing mirror?

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phar0e:

the scallies attacked while you were sleeping?

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tetra:

seven years of bad luck

[08:28:08]

** juski mutters something about knee-capping the little illegitmate sods **

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juski:

got 2 infra red cameras on order

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Gumby:

hehe, what good is that gonna do?

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juski:

apparently they've taken to smashing car windows now too

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Gumby:

besides allow you to watch the event happenning

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juski:

Gumby: so I can see what time they come around & be there next time

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Gumby:

juski: lol, you think they schedule these events?

[08:29:22]

juski:

well it's better than doing fuck all

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juski:

I can't shell out for new car parts every week

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Gumby:

I just honestly dont think its going to make a lick of difference. either a) you sit out there all the time or b)pay someone to sit out there all the time

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Gumby:

video isnt going to do much

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phar0e:

you could form a neighbourhood watch program, take turns, get like 8 people that'll be on watch for 1 hour each, then have them wake everyone up and attack

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juski:

one guy down the road has had no less than 7 new wing wirrors in 2 weeks

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Shape_awy:

nothing in the logs, link to a simple mysql setup?

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Gumby:

even if you have video and give it to police it isnt going to do much. they are most likely minors and the law isnt going to touch them (asuming you are north american)

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: but you can shoot them

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Gumby:

Shape_awy: what distro do you run

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: sure, if you want to go to jail

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Shape_awy:

slack

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juski:

they are most likely minors who will be taking me to court for assault

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tetra:

HAHAHAHA

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phar0e:

no way is juski american, americans don't say "fuck all" or "scallies" or "wing mirror"

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SlicerDicer-:

no Gumby your protecting your property

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Gumby:

is going to jail a valid price to pay for a few broken mirrors?

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: that is not valid in a court of laaw

[08:32:23]

SlicerDicer-:

well it sounded good anyway

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juski:

anyway.. back on-topic

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Gumby:

phar0e: hehe, I agree. I still have no idea what a wing mirror is

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Gumby:

I am thinking he has an X-Wing or something

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phar0e:

has to be a rear-view mirror, I dont even think we have a name for them

[08:33:03]

Gumby:

side mirrors? door mirrors?

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tetra:

well, how'd you like my 2048x1536 image?

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phar0e:

the ones on the side

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phar0e:

they had them on planes in ww2, wing mirrors, haha I made that up

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juski:

yeh door mirrors.. lol

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Gumby:

what happens when you just type mysqld ?

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phar0e:

tetra: did you send it to me?

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Gumby:

sorry, Shape_awy, what happens when you just type mysqld ?

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Gumby:

Shape_awy: or run the init script manually.

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Shape_awy:

juski the police dont care about a few broken windows that are covered by insurance. if items are taken out of the vehicles that is a major problem for them just just make some larc. reports everytime you wondows a broken

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: anyhow, whats the output of lsmod? It might be as simple as loading the firewire module in modules.preload so it loads before the audigy modules

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juski:

well, the police have said.. get photo evidence & if they can be identified they'll go after em. sod all will happen when they're caught but hey that's the fault of politicians not the police

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Gumby:

Shape_awy: agreed. In the majority of officers minds, the claimants are more of a pain in the ass than the ones doing the crimes

[08:37:08]

Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: sorry, that should be modprobe.preload, not modules.preload

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Shape_awy:

if they have a patern of grand larc. it kills their stats. thats a big deal for them minor crim mis of windows will not

[08:37:28]

juski:

Gumby: you've got a weird attitude. what'd you do if I came round & smashed your property? it's all the fault of lily-livered do-gooders. but I digress

[08:37:40]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I jsut dont know how to disable the firewire on my soundcard

[08:37:45]

SlicerDicer-:

its causing havoc on my system

[08:38:09]

Gumby:

juski: I am not disagreeing with you. I am just saying that capturing video evidence is unlikely to make a difference in the fact that your mirrors will still get smashed

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Shape_awy:

when i run it it reports stopping server from pid file /var/lib/mysql/mythtv.pid

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: you dont need to disable it. Just make sure the firewire module you are needing to use loads first.

[08:39:07]

Gumby:

Shape_awy: I lack knowledge of slack so I may not be the best person to troubleshoot this. Were you running the command as root?

[08:39:21]

Shape_awy:

yeah

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: if module "a" and module "b" use the same devices, the first one to load will get /dev/device0 and the second one will get /dev/device1.

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: so you simply have to figure out what the module is for the firewire you want to be "0" and make sure it loads before the other one.

[08:40:22]

SlicerDicer-:

RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

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SlicerDicer-:

thats the error I get btw

[08:40:29]

SlicerDicer-:

when I try to switch inputs

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: and I'm trying to help you with that, and have asked you multiple times for your lsmod output, but you dont seem to want the help because you wont post the info

[08:40:55]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: it will be of no use

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SlicerDicer-:

all that is inside it is ivtv, nvidia, sk98lin

[08:41:07]

SlicerDicer-:

thats it

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: which leads me to ask, why do you bother asking for help from others if you wont follow their instructions that provide a solution

[08:41:19]

Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: ok then, suit yourself

[08:41:58]

Gumby:

you said you needed X to be 0 but Y keeps getting 0. I'm trying to tell you how to get X to be 0 but you dont seem to want to listen.

[08:42:05]

SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/FN7xoA50.html

[08:42:09]

SlicerDicer-:

how is that helpful?

[08:42:23]

SlicerDicer-:

relates nothing to firewire

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Gumby:

thats the whole output of lsmod ?

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SlicerDicer-:

yes

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Shape_awy:

what is mysql.sock?

[08:42:36]

Gumby:

then you are going to have to recompile your kernel

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juski:

pop the whole output of lsmod in a pastebin

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SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I build my own kernels anyway :)

[08:43:13]

Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: then make sure that firewire and audigy drivers are loaded as modules

[08:43:13]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont build things as modules typically so thats why my lsmod is small

[08:43:16]

SlicerDicer-:

its just the way I do it

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: you do realize that loading everything in the kernel uses more memory than if you created modules right?

[08:43:54]

Gumby:

unless you ONLY load things you need and nothing more

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SlicerDicer-:

with 2gb of ram its not a big deal to me lol

[08:44:03]

SlicerDicer-:

and I only load what I need

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SlicerDicer-:

if I need something I rebuild the kernel

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Gumby:

well, you are going to need to load the audigy drivers and firewire as modules.

[08:44:25]

SlicerDicer-:

no problem

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Gumby:

at LEAST the audigy ones

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Gumby:

but I'd do both for debugging purposes

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Gumby:

should be pretty painless if you've already compiled

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SlicerDicer-:

but like I said the lsmod would be useless ;-)

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Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: it wasnt useless. It informed us that you load all your modules into the kernel. You hadnt stated that before

[08:45:32]

SlicerDicer-:

sorry I was not clear on that heh

[08:45:34]

Gumby:

without that, we'd still be asking questions and not any further ahead

[08:45:57]

SlicerDicer-:

regardless what is interesting to me

[08:46:08]

SlicerDicer-:

if I run test-mpeg2 -r 0 > foo.tz

[08:46:12]

SlicerDicer-:

play that foo with mplayer

[08:46:13]

SlicerDicer-:

it works

[08:46:23]

SlicerDicer-:

now I am able to record over firewire

[08:46:33]

SlicerDicer-:

the problem is I cannot get mythtv to see it for some reason thats my issue

[08:46:43]

SlicerDicer-:

and it totally nukes my backend/frontend

[08:46:53]

SlicerDicer-:

they are still running but they are unresponsive

[08:47:01]

SlicerDicer-:

so I have to kill them and restart them

[08:47:29]

Gumby:

I thought it wasnt working on device 0?

[08:47:43]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I did not say that heh

[08:48:11]

SlicerDicer-:

I said that it was working and not working its being stupid cause I am shoving HDTV through a port that is not designed for video

[08:48:33]

SlicerDicer-:

but I should at least be able to view it randomly through myth

[08:48:37]

SlicerDicer-:

not have it just lockup

[08:48:41]

Gumby:

maybe its a codec issue

[08:48:56]

Gumby:

its not getting what it thinks it should be getting thus locks up.

[08:49:10]

Gumby:

or is trying to search for what it wants

[08:49:16]

SlicerDicer-:

let me turn on full verbose on the frontend

[08:49:25]

Gumby:

I admit I dont know much about HD. BUt it seems forcefeeding something just isnt a good idea

[08:49:44]

SlicerDicer-:

but its fun!!

[08:49:57]

Gumby:

not when your system is locking up

[08:50:44]

SlicerDicer-:

the system is not locking up

[08:50:49]

Gumby:

well, myth is

[08:50:52]

SlicerDicer-:

I just have to restart the backend/frontend manually

[08:50:53]

Gumby:

and that aint fun

[08:50:58]

SlicerDicer-:

no its not

[08:51:18]

SlicerDicer-:

switching input will full verbose on mythfrontend

[08:51:57]

Gumby:

you might want to look at your capturecard table in mythconverg also to be sure its setup properly

[08:54:12]

SlicerDicer-:

well hmm

[08:54:29]

SlicerDicer-:

verbose helps :)

[08:54:36]

Gumby:

indeed

[08:54:55]

SlicerDicer-:

2006-03–09 00:53:09.403 TVRec(2) Error: FIREWIRE card configured on video device

[08:54:55]

SlicerDicer-:

,

[08:54:55]

SlicerDicer-:

but MythTV was not compiled with FIREWIRE support.

[08:54:55]

SlicerDicer-:

Recompile MythTV with FIREWIRE support or remove the card

[08:55:01]

Gumby:

lmao

[08:55:04]

Gumby:

brilliant

[08:55:14]

Shape_awy:

does anybody have a mysql.sock in there system?

[08:55:18]

SlicerDicer-:

now want to see the weird part?

[08:55:21]

SlicerDicer-:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.19-r1 +alsa (-altivec) -arts -dbox2 -debug +dvb +dvd -frontendonly +ieee1394 -jack -joystick -lcd +lirc (-mmx) +nvidia -oggvorbis +opengl +oss -unichrome 0 kB

[08:55:23]

Gumby:

Shape_awy: anyone that uses mysql should

[08:55:31]

SlicerDicer-:

I have 1394 support compiled in

[08:55:39]

SlicerDicer-:

unless its a bug with the ebuild or mythtv :)

[08:55:47]

Gumby:

[root@fileserver ~]# locate mysql.sock

[08:55:48]

Gumby:

/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock

[08:55:58]

Shape_awy:

i dont, guess i will have to install mysql slack seems to be a little messed up from the cd

[08:56:16]

Gumby:

Shape_awy: lol, mysql is probably not mysqld

[08:56:25]

Gumby:

not sure how slack lables their ackage

[08:56:27]

Gumby:

packages

[08:56:50]

Gumby:

you are probably missing the mysql-server or mysqld package. something like that

[08:57:03]

Shape_awy:

it tries to start it at boot time but it cant find the sock

[08:57:05]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I wonder if its a AMD64 problem

[08:57:12]

** Gumby seems to be giving a lot of info that he is slightly guessing at tonight. **

[08:57:21]

** Gumby should stop cause he gets annoyed at people that do that **

[08:57:34]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[08:57:39]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: I guess!

[08:57:47]

SlicerDicer-:

I run gentoo and guess when helping other distro users

[08:57:47]

Gumby:

SlicerDicer-: could be. I have no idea. Havnt been able to afford the upgrade to A64 yet

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Gumby:

there again, I dont have much need to either

[08:58:21]

Gumby:

I'm making educated guesses, but sometimes those are more hindering than helpfull.

[08:58:24]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont know many people running firewire capture either heh

[08:59:20]

Gumby:

but if a mysql.sock doesnt exist.... I am going to guess he needs the mysql server package :)

[08:59:25]

SlicerDicer-:

Gumby: with linux YES they can be very damaging I know I have given people educated guesses based on what I did with gentoo and OMFG if their system did not "melt" lol thats why when I give advice I say "These are guesses blah blah I am not responsible for exploding dinos blah blah"

[08:59:41]

Gumby:

unless of course mysql.sock only exists if the server is running. (Im testing that right now)

[09:00:16]

SlicerDicer-:

well hey Gumby at least I can manually capture video :)

[09:00:49]

Gumby:

hehe, ok. mysql.sock doesnt exist when mysql isnt running

[09:01:24]

Gumby:

so it may indeed be installed. d'oh!

[09:01:46]

Gumby:

if it is, shame on slack for not including a working config

[09:01:46]

Gumby:

:)

[09:01:59]

Gumby:

but I guess thats just slack being slack

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[09:03:41]

Gumby:

I cant wait to get back to the gf's and get myth working better using her 56" tv

[09:03:42]

Gumby:

hehe

[09:04:48]

phar0e:

haha you're using her

[09:06:28]

juski:

mornin stuarta. bored already, eh? ;-)

[09:06:46]

Gumby:

more like she is using me. hehe. shes the one getting me to spend hours on setting up her pc perfectly

[09:06:54]

juski:

duh! I've just discoveres irssi has nick autocomplete

[09:06:58]

Gumby:

lol

[09:07:07]

juski:

but not a spell checker.. heh

[09:07:39]

Gumby:

I wish all my text had autocomplete. my cell phone does.... why doesnt xchat :)

[09:08:02]

juski:

phones never let you be profane though

[09:08:14]

Gumby:

sure they do. once you add the words to the db

[09:08:15]

Gumby:

:)

[09:08:18]

phar0e:

"do u wanna party?" that's all a cell phone can text

[09:08:20]

juski:

ducking silly phones ;-)

[09:08:29]

Gumby:

lol

[09:08:55]

juski:

still, it's less annoying than 'clippy'

[09:09:17]

Gumby:

if I add "fucking" cell phone, the next time I put in 3825464 its first matching word will be "fucking"

[09:09:27]

Gumby:

I missed... "to my"

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juski:

that reminds me.. must get the IT gestapo to activate the new machine in the lab

[09:09:45]

Gumby:

I need to find an IRC client for my cell phone. hehe

[09:10:01]

stuarta:

I need to educate mythweb about my mobile phone

[09:10:44]

Gumby:

mythweb + mobile phone = godliness

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

hrm, I am noticing some horizontal blurriness on my TV when watching anything having moderate to fast motion in it

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** Gumby is pretty disapointed with fedora. time to change distros back to debian me thinks **

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juski:

hmmm a programme guide for 150 channels on a 5 line display of a Nokia 1100.. that'd be erm.. fun

[09:16:10]

juski:

but then I didn't buy that phone for WAP

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stuarta:

i'd use it if i saw something in *gasp* a normal tv guide and wanted to record it..

[09:17:23]

juski:

I'm normally near enough to a web browser, unless I'm at my in-laws

[09:17:50]

juski:

and thankfully that's not very often ;-)

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stuarta:

same, but backup plans are good.

[09:18:49]

juski:

true. only ever tried WAP once to check my email.. used up my 'free' £5 allowance before I even saw the email

[09:19:01]

Surye:

Hey, how can I make a cutlist save after exiting/starting mythfrontend? The cutlists are not being saved, other then the commercial list

[09:19:31]

nuonguy:

Rip/Transcod: No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD.

[09:20:03]

nuonguy:

I've seen a few other people ask about this here at #mythtv-users, but no answers...

[09:20:20]

nuonguy:

Are only few people affected by this?

[09:20:25]

juski:

nuonguy: check trac for tickets

[09:20:59]

juski:

and search the dev mailing list – more people tend to get answers to real problems there

[09:21:30]

juski:

IMHO there's too much 'dumb' traffic on the users list for problem solving

[09:21:38]

nuonguy:

k

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Mahew:

anyone know how to crop and resize with mencoder?

[09:22:58]

Agrajag-:

i reckon the people who wrote the docs probably do

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monkeypet:

My denyhost file is getting larger and larger with all the ssh breakin attempts.

[09:25:25]

Mahew:

I've read the docs but I'm trying to find a way to automatically crop 16:9 video to 4:3 and resize to 320 pixels wide. All the examples of cropping I've seen require manual specification of pixels.

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Jasper:

morning

[09:26:21]

Surye:

When I create a new cutlist, nuvexport only sees the commercials, and when I quit mythfrontend, the cuts go away. Do I have to save them specifically?

[09:26:27]

Agrajag-:

monkeypet: don't bother with doing denyhost then?

[09:27:06]

juski:

monkeypet: might be time to invest in a new router

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monkeypet:

Agrajag-: yeah, I am running the denyhosts.py script to block all the failed attempts, I should just move the ssh port.

[09:27:59]

Agrajag-:

i don't know why you'd bother

[09:28:07]

Agrajag-:

just disable password logins

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stuarta:

script kiddies only know about port 22

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Agrajag-:

or have secure passwords (if you can't remember them then write them down and put them in your wallet)

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Shape_awy:

after a web search it seems slackware has issues with mysqld

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Agrajag-:

after a web search it seems slackware is stuck in 1995

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monkeypet:

lol

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ip_goat_rodeo:

use certificates or otp passwords only, that will work.

[09:32:58]

Agrajag-:

i think you'll find you want keys not certificates

[09:33:11]

ip_goat_rodeo:

well you know what I mean

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ip_goat_rodeo:

otp is better though if you can't supply your own remote terminal.

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Agrajag-:

i think otp for ssh would be fairly annoying

[09:35:49]

Agrajag-:

just use a secure password if that's the case

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Agrajag-:

actually i don't see how otp would help ssh attacks at all

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greg__:

he mentioned 'own remote terminal' so he's talking about keyloggers

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greg__:

on untrusted machines you use to connect to it

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greg__:

still crazy overkill imo

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greg__:

it's just a mythtv box

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Agrajag-:

ah right ok.. yeah.

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nuonguy:

juski: Don't see any tickets

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nuonguy:

er, at least, any tickets describing my problem

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ip_goat_rodeo:

otps offer huge potential to get yourself DOSed out of your own system too.

[09:45:58]

ip_goat_rodeo:

by generating a few hundred bogus authentication attempts and exhausting the password list

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Juski:

mornin' Merlin83b

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Calroth:

make it require two passwords: your standard, then an otp :-p

[10:08:12]

Merlin83b:

Hi Juski.

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Merlin83b:

BE keeps crashing :<

[10:08:41]

stuarta:

I know. Missed farscape ending movie last night

[10:08:53]

stuarta:

end sg1 & enterprise on the weekend

[10:09:26]

Merlin83b:

I blame your DVB changes, simply because you're here :-)

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stuarta:

thanks!

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Juski:

lol

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Merlin83b:

Anytime :-)

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stuarta:

you get to keep both pieces :-P

[10:10:00]

Merlin83b:

D.dv

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Merlin83b:

Even, silly Dvorak switching.

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Juski:

Dvorak eh? serious keyboard user ;-)

[10:11:18]

stuarta:

i learnt touch typing. much easier..

[10:11:42]

Juski:

I more or less touch type – get a serious WPM

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Merlin83b:

I touch type on qwerty, thought I'd give Dvorak a shot. ctrl-shift switches to the other and I hit it accidentally a couple of times a day or so.

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Juski:

I could be a secky-terry ;-)

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stuarta:

bet you aren't cute enough :)

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

yeh nobody would wanna see my legs in the office lol

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** stuarta has visions, feels sick **

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Wole:

ctrl shift – that's how i keep doing it... d'oh

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Shape_awy:

cant beleive i stayed up all night trying to get mysql running

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stuarta:

me either. it's not that hard.

[10:39:58]

Shape_awy:

well then tell me why myth is not connecting to the database

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Merlin83b:

Shape_awy: Permissions, at a guess.

[10:40:22]

Merlin83b:

LOL Wole.

[10:41:59]

Shape_awy:

how do i set permission?

[10:42:08]

Surye:

When I create a new cutlist, nuvexport only sees the commercials, and when I quit mythfrontend, the cuts go away. Do I have to save them specifically?

[10:43:02]

stuarta:

surye: are you using a recent svn?

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Surye:

stuarta: No, .19

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Merlin83b:

Shape_awy: Take it you haven't used much MySQL? Did you follow any installation guides?

[10:44:35]

Shape_awy:

the docs dont help with slack

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Wole__:

why dont you use an easy distro? coughubuntucough

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coffee88:

!seen anyone!

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MythLogBot:

anyone! has not been seen here

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coffee88:

This is the quietest I've ever seen this channel!

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Juski:

don't mind me. I'm just sitting here fuming

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phar0e:

!seen Jasper

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MythLogBot:

Jasper is here and has been idle for 19 minutes 42 seconds

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coffee88:

heh

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** Juski is here and has been idle all his life **

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** stuarta is sleeping on his keyboard **

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** coffee88 is actully getting work done, and would rather not be.... **

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Juski:

stuarta: don't want to do that.. you'll wake up with keyboard-face syndrome. happened to me once (oops)

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stuarta:

:)

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Juski:

only reason i got away with it was because it was the day after the xmas party

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stuarta:

that's why they invented red bull (horrible stuff...)

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Juski:

this was before red bull had been invented ;-)

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stuarta:

espresso?

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Jasper:

phar0e ?

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stuarta:

Jasper: trout him!!!!

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Juski:

I want to go home. if one more person comes over to ask why my door mirror is stuck on with gaffer tape...

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phar0e:

was just playing with the bot

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coffee88:

I love the way Red Bull co get descibed as a "marketing " company, not a dirnks one all the time...

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Juski:

I do like redbull & smirnoff doubles though.. especially when they're only £1

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phar0e:

squiggly line 1

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stuarta:

they serve a purpose....

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stuarta:

!trout phar0e

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** MythLogBot slaps phar0e with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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phar0e:

hah, getting Beirdo to do your dirty work eh'?

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Juski:

get a proper character set or move to another country ;-)

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stuarta:

like you, I'm testing the bot :)

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phar0e:

haha

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phar0e:

the pound is a rediculous currency, so expensive

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phar0e:

I think there are some errors in the conversions...

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coffee88:

Not when you're paying in pounds...

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phar0e:

mcdonalds will cost you the same in pounds as it does in dollars, tastes the same but pounds are worth so much more, it's a rip off

[11:57:26]

coffee88:

A whole olot of things cost the same in pounds and dollars... Grrrr.

[11:58:11]

coffee88:

Juski: Why IS your mirror stuck on with gaffer tape?

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phar0e:

I like some parts of England I see in the movies

[11:58:22]

phar0e:

scallies wacked his wing mirror this morning..

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coffee88:

Oooh!

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phar0e:

infrared cameras are enroute to juski's home

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phar0e:

going to send the video to the Scotland Yard and if they can identify the scallies then they will murder them

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coffee88:

The ones that come mounted on a 50 cal?

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phar0e:

I can't answer that, I only repeat what juski writes

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phar0e:

hey do you guys like your Sacha Cohen?

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coffee88:

I'm not a fan, but I only live here, not a native.

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coffee88:

Light anbd fluffy review of 19 on linux.com the other day...

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Juski:

!trout coffee88

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** MythLogBot slaps coffee88 with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

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coffee88:

sorry.

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** coffee88 bows low **

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Juski:

nah it's ok. I just hope my wife hasn't done what she said she would do this lunchtime (i.e. buy a baseball bat)

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** coffee88 gets up off the floor again. **

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Juski:

just had a quote for 2 new mirrors though – £49.95 plus VAT, un-painted (!)

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Juski:

each

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coffee88:

And the painting will cost the same? Each?

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Juski:

I'll spray em myself if I can get the right colour paint

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Jasper:

did you wrack your car Juski ?

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sjors:

I've had a hdd crash, and now there are 3 programs listed as recorded, but I can't delete them.. Can I just remove them from a mysql-table? And which table?

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Jasper:

hdd crash?

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Jasper:

or system crash?

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sjors:

hdd, it started ticking and I got read/write errors

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Jasper:

hehe

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Jasper:

:)

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Jasper:

same happend to me :P

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Jasper:

were you able to still boot from it though?

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sjors:

yes, because it was hdb, the OS is on hda

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Jasper:

ah

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Jasper:

lucky man

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Juski:

Jasper, no some little fucking scrotes kicked my other door mirror off last night. My neighbours' cars got damaged too... one of em has had damage done 7 times in 2 weeks

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sjors:

the hdd was just one week old

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Jasper:

hmm? Juski you put the cam up before it happened?

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Jasper:

or?

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Juski:

one week old? what make was it?

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sjors:

maxtor

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sjors:

diamondmax 200GB ATA

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Jasper:

:p I know what juski is gonna say now

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Jasper:

:P

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sjors:

should have bought WD?

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Juski:

Jasper: I had 'a' camera up but it was next to useless so I took it down. I ordered two good cameras this morning.. and I've got a 500 line mono camera & lens

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Jasper:

you decided to not make your own?

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sjors:

my mother shouldn't have thrown it to me :)

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Jasper:

with the cheaper cam and your own ir stuff

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Jasper:

?

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Jasper:

sjors that could be a problem yes..

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Jasper:

how come your mother is throwing with harddisks?

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sjors:

it was still in the box, she didn't recognized it as such

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Jasper:

so she threw with it?

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Juski:

in the box should've been okay if you managed to catch it

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Jasper:

they can stand some movement

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Jasper:

did you catch it?

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Juski:

they should withstand a drop of one metre in their own packaging

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** stuarta guesses no... **

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Jasper:

and from how high did she throw it? same level?

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Juski:

lol

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Jasper:

or was she like on the top of the staits

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Jasper:

stairs

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Jasper:

throwing it down

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sjors:

yup, don't know if that was the cause, but the drive has failures now, but will be replaced

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Juski:

you can't RMA it now you've admitted it in a logged IRC channel anyway :-D

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Jasper:

:P

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sjors:

it was a short flight of less than a meter

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Jasper:

sjors you're going back to the store...yeah it suddently failed ....I don't know why....I mean it's perfectly normal to toss with harddrives right?

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Jasper:

8)

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sjors:

it has been ok for 5 days

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Juski:

well, time to work on more CAT5 video senders.. 3 cameras & power on one cat5 cable :-)

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Jasper:

you have a standard '1 year garantee' right?

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Jasper:

Juski did you make your own cam or not?

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stuarta:

computer bits either fail in the 1st week or just after the warantee runs out...

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Jasper:

with the ir modules?

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Juski:

Jasper no I didn't make my own camera. works out more expensive anyway

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Jasper:

ah k

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sjors:

better yet, the store takes it back as "dead on arrival"

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Jasper:

Juski why not stay up one of these nights

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Jasper:

and wait for them

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Jasper:

they're prolly drunk anyways

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Juski:

I've ordered 2 480 line colour 1/3" CCDs for external use

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Jasper:

beat 'em up

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Juski:

yeh beat them up in front of my own cctv system.. cool idea

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Jasper:

then turn it off for a second

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Jasper:

I mean 7 times in 2 weeks....I see a pattern arising

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

I can't believe the guy has just gone out & replaced them like that without even waiting for them to show up – what kind of mug does that?

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Hoxzer:

Jasper: do you think it is ok, to lie to get "candy"?

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Jasper:

what do you mean Hoxzer ?

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Jasper:

lie to get 'candy' ?

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Hoxzer:

yeah, to get women to use you

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Juski:

Hoxzer: it's acceptable to tell a woman you love her to get erm.. 'candy' so yeah

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Jasper:

ah 'english terms'

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Jasper:

I guess so

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Juski:

not that I ever have, or would of course

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Jasper:

but Juski why not organise your neighbourhood to wait for them

[12:43:03]

Jasper:

and perform an arrest and then wait for the police?

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coffee88:

Then lose all your house windows too the next night...

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Jasper:

well

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Jasper:

if you get the guy

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Jasper:

you can follow him to his house

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

or beat up his car.....see how he likes it

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Jasper:

I mean...those f*cking bastards....we also have them over here....they put our neighbours house on fire

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Jasper:

there's blood on the danceflour!

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

floor even I guess

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Jasper:

:P

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** coffee88 can't work out why people are paying £48 for mvps on ebay... **

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Merlin83b:

Damn you, stuarta. stop crashing by BE :-P

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stuarta:

!trout Merlin83b

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** MythLogBot slaps Merlin83b with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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stuarta:

hmmm, maybe the log bot should have stats on who uses the most trouts :)

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Merlin83b:

I'll have to enclose it in a while true do mythbackend, like I do with FE :-)

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stuarta:

you have a bt handy ?

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stuarta:

mine's only crashing every 3–4 days :(

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Juski:

coffee88: I've told yer before about Ebay ;-)

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Merlin83b:

I do not, never really done bt or gdb or anything – do I need to run it inside gdb or something?

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stuarta:

is it easily repeatable?

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Merlin83b:

Well, considering all I do is fire up BE and wait, yes :-)

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stuarta:

there's a bit of a documentation in the howto.

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stuarta:

but the short version is...

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stuarta:

have a version compiled with debug

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stuarta:

either 1) run it under gdb, 2) run the be & attach gdb

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Merlin83b:

Does a debug version run slower or anything? Is compiling it with debug a configure option?

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stuarta:

yes debug version takes more cpu

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Merlin83b:

BE is currently at 43% CPU :-(

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Merlin83b:

Doing EIT stuff after just being started up I guess.

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stuarta:

--compile-type=debug

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stuarta:

43%, you've plenty of capacity for debug build.

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Merlin83b:

But this is when it's doing nothing, let alone recording two things and FE watching another ;-)

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Merlin83b:

I will do a debug build – what do I do when it crashes or should it rtfm?

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stuarta:

well save your release build so you can put it back easily...

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Merlin83b:

Heh, already worked that one out ;-)

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stuarta:

I'll be around, but rtfm is always good :)

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Merlin83b:

Got a link to the right part?

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Merlin83b:

I never know which fm I should be reading nowadays!

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** stuarta goes looking in TFM **

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stuarta:

Section 22

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stuarta:

22.2 in fact...

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stuarta:

that's dk's suggested debugging strategy

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Merlin83b:

Ah, that FM :-)

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Merlin83b:

And the output of that would be useful to fixing the problem?

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Merlin83b:

(whatever that problem may be)

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stuarta:

did I mention that's in the MythTV HOWTO in the source dir...

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Merlin83b:

You didn't ;-)

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stuarta:

clearly the other FM is located in area 51.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

missed a spot in the code last night :)

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Cromz:

you missed another spot right.... there.. :P

[14:02:44]

stuarta:

wax on, wax off

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Beirdo:

whack on?

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Cromz:

no wanking in the office..

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** stuarta rofl **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's a pretty good rule

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Beirdo:

unless you work in pr0n

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Cromz:

you seen that video? that's funny stuff :)

[14:05:24]

Beirdo:

um, not sure what video you speak of, but no :)

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Cromz:

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1236/

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bagpuss_thecat:

hey all

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Merlin83b:

Big Train.

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Merlin83b:

Awesome series.

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bagpuss_thecat:

anyone know why Mythweb 0.19 from merillat sources on debian unstable would refuse to see the db_server, db_name and db_login login variables?

[14:08:40]

bagpuss_thecat:

I have them all defined in .htaccess, but they're not getting transferred to the PHP scripts

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bagpuss_thecat:

a/merillat/marillat/

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Merlin83b:

bagpuss_thecat: Aren't they meant to be in conf.php?

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Cromz:

Merlin83b, is that where that's from? hmm I'll have to scoure the web see if I can find more of that.. that's funny stuff..

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, really good BBC series from about 1998/9.

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Juski:

I saw that one.. brilliant

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Merlin83b:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001MIQ80

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sphing:

is there a way to have myth run a program on idle

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Juski:

there was another show where there was a 'fly on the wall' documentary – the company had a compulsory drug use policy

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Merlin83b:

Or slightly more but free delivery from play.com

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Could well have been another Big Train sketch.

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Juski:

Merlin83b: yeah either that or one of the armando iianucci series like 'the day today'

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Merlin83b:

Sounds likely – the sketch doesn't ring a bell, sorry!

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bagpuss_thecat:

Merlin83b: looks like it's in both files, .htaccess and config/conf.php

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Merlin83b:

Cromz: The Amazon link was for you, btw :-) I may have to buy it.

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bagpuss_thecat:

the page I read on the web amonth or so ago only mentioned the htaccess file (which is symlinked from /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess.conf as well)

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Cromz:

heh ya but I'm in minnesota. so the amazon.uk is alittle awkard for me. :)

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Juski:

my flatmate once saw a 'blue room' sketch & took it as real. It was about a phenomenon where porn actors get 'the spurt' and erm.. can't stop shooting, so to speak. "some stars get so frustrated they commit suicide"... god that was funny

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bagpuss_thecat:

actually, that's just the web server config in conf.php, the database details are still in .htaccess

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Merlin83b:

Cromz: I'm sure they'll ship internationally!

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Merlin83b:

Blue Room was patchy but great in places iirc.

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Beirdo:

well, time to head to work

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Beirdo:

sigh

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bagpuss_thecat:

"The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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bagpuss_thecat:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

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bagpuss_thecat:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly."

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bagpuss_thecat:

they are :-(

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Juski:

wonder how many times that message has been posted since 0.19 came out

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bagpuss_thecat:

and how little google has about it

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Juski:

bagpuss_thecat: so your DB variables are set properly but is your PHP environment set up as per the guidelines (mod_rewrite etc) ?

[14:24:07]

bagpuss_thecat:

yep, mod_rewrite and mod_env

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bagpuss_thecat:

would be hard to take mod_env out, admittedly

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Juski:

and php has mysql support?

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bagpuss_thecat:

yep

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bagpuss_thecat:

this all worked with 0.18

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Juski:

did you restart apache after altering the php setup? (if you did alter it)

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bagpuss_thecat:

yeah, apache has been reloaded a few times

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Juski:

okees

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bagpuss_thecat:

s/reloaded/restarted/

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stuarta:

reloaded is very different from restart

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Juski:

bagpuss_thecat: you checked out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_readme

[14:27:14]

Juski:

??

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bagpuss_thecat:

yes, very, in any case, the machine has been rebooted several times since this error appeared a couple of weeks ago

[14:27:48]

Juski:

at least you've give yourself a shot at fixing it ;-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

Juski: yeah, the same file is in /usr/share/doc/mythweb/README.gz :-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

which is what I'v ebeen referring to

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bagpuss_thecat:

followsymlinks and allowoverride have been set for /, and aren't being overridden by any other directives

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bagpuss_thecat:

incidentally, it's apache2 this is running on

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coffee88:

VideoOutputXv Error: Child C was already marked as available.

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coffee88:

Iget these errors quite a lot while watching recordings...

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coffee88:

Anything to worry about?

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Merlin83b:

Does it affect your watching of said recordings?

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coffee88:

the video does seem to pause slightly. Sound is ok...

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bagpuss_thecat:

well, hardcoding the database parameters into init.php has fixed it, but now it can't find the data directory, cos the variable is empty

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** bagpuss_thecat needs more caffeine **

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Beirdo:

OK, that worked better

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Beirdo:

it now reports to the console when it sends a notice

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coffee88:

para que?

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Beirdo:

oh hell, this is no good... Got a Sarah McLachlan song looping in my head

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Beirdo:

must drown out...

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** bagpuss_thecat points and laughs **

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Beirdo:

I like her music, but I'm NOT in the mood

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Beirdo:

damned cafe downstairs had it playing

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** coffee88 is enjoying pf Echoes at the mo **

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Beirdo:

Sarah McLachlan's music is too depressing for me today.

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Juski:

Beirdo: her music is always too depressing. not as bad as Dido but almost

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but I do like her music

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Beirdo:

just not when I'm tired and a bit down, ya know?

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Juski:

the production on the brokedown palace mix of 'silence' is nice

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** Juski locks the razor blades away from Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

I said a bit down, not stupid :)

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Juski:

heh

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Beirdo:

besides, city busses are always available should you want to off yourself spectacularly

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Juski:

never underestimate the power of gloomy song lyrics ;-)

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Merlin83b:

Saves the Day have good lyrics :-)

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Beirdo:

I couldn't believe it... one of my friends said "what do you mean her music is depressing!?"

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Beirdo:

I was like... "Vic, have you LISTENED to the lyrics!?"

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Merlin83b:

Happy bouncy songs, lyrics about cutting people up and drinking their blood. In a nice way.

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Juski:

oh thats okay then if it's in a nice way

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Beirdo:

I don't like happy-bouncy all that much either

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Merlin83b:

Happy bouncy might be an overstatement.

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Juski:

counteract it with some Vengaboys :-/

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Beirdo:

ick :)

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Juski:

or if you feel particularly cruel, Scooter

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Beirdo:

some Mozart would be about right

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bagpuss_thecat:

huzza!

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** bagpuss_thecat purged mythweb and apache, and reinstalled **

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Beirdo:

but I don't have any Mozart ripped

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bagpuss_thecat:

now it's listening to the .htaccess defined variables

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Juski:

bagpuss_thecat: I was gonna suggest that next – that method worked for me

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Juski:

(honest)

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bagpuss_thecat:

lol :-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

no worries

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bagpuss_thecat:

weird though

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Juski:

it's been 3 or 4 weeks since I upgraded now & I've already forgotten what I had to do

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Merlin83b:

I'll sit on whatever version it is when everything works, but one tuner down and the sticky OSD problem is enough for me to keep SVNing.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: has it broken yet?

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bagpuss_thecat:

Juski: likewise, except I just hadn't gotten around to unfscking it

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bagpuss_thecat:

:-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

in any case, MythTV even without Mythweb is wonderful :-)

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Nope, also, I haven't built the debug version yet :-)

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stuarta:

ahh.

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bagpuss_thecat:

is it easy to move the backend from one machine to another?

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bagpuss_thecat:

(without losing everything :-)

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stuarta:

i forsee machine breakage tonight. new kernel, new myth, new xorg & maybe experimental xorg drivers.

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Dibblah:

stuarta: All in seperate steps, of course ;)

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stuarta:

of course. myth is running now, kernel building, xorg downloading...

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bagpuss_thecat:

stuarta: the spirit of adventure! :-)

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stuarta:

if you are going to do something, then you may as well do it properly.... :)

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stuarta:

it is controlled chaos however.

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bagpuss_thecat:

very true

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bagpuss_thecat:

just as long as it's not a ATI graphics card :-)

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** bagpuss_thecat is still waiting for an update to fglrx **

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stuarta:

now don't piss on my bonfire...

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bagpuss_thecat:

xorg 6.8 and below only :-(

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bagpuss_thecat:

lol

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** bagpuss_thecat chokes as he spots his syslog database hitting 10Gb **

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stuarta:

what about the radeon driver from dri.sf.net?

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bagpuss_thecat:

fscking hell

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bagpuss_thecat:

well, aybe the radeons are fine

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bagpuss_thecat:

maybe

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stuarta:

so what needs the fglrx driver?

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bagpuss_thecat:

uuurm, not sure

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bagpuss_thecat:

I think the Radeon drivers will do most things, except XV and 3D

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** bagpuss_thecat uses the fglrx drivers to get XV support **

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stuarta:

huh? the stock xorg drivers give me XV support

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dev:

fglrx is the ati radeon driver

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dev:

fglrx gives you tvout and direct rendering

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stuarta:

proprietry one?

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bagpuss_thecat:

sorry, yeah, xv on the tvout

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bagpuss_thecat:

which I have to use

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bagpuss_thecat:

yeah, it's the proprietary crap from ATI

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stuarta:

i only use TFT screens, so no tv out.

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Merlin83b:

Just crashed, stuarta.

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Merlin83b:

2006-03–09 15:32:45.992 EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on channel 3

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Merlin83b:

2006-03–09 15:32:46.577 DVB#0 DVB SI Table Parser Started

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Merlin83b:

Last two lines in the log

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stuarta:

no dri though, but want to test radeon driver from dri.freedesktop.org

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Merlin83b:

It may or may not be related to the fact that a recording just finished...

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: pastebin it, with 'thread apply all bt full' + the program terminate at... line from gdb, and lets go to #mythtv

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Merlin83b:

Didn't have gdb or a debug build going, but will do so tomorrow :-)

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Merlin83b:

I'm wondering if this and my "other tuner" problem are related – that was recorded on the second tuner, came out as 11MB for half an hour and the BE crashed.

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Merlin83b:

Next recording goes off the first tuner and will finish at 5:00 (1 hr 25 mins or so) so I'll say then :-)

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stuarta:

maybe i'll try that on mine. schedule 2 5min recordings & see if it breaks.

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JasonX:

Anyone know how I get an xterm I launch from mythtv to respond to my remote?

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bagpuss_thecat:

have you got a window manager running?

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JasonX:

is that to me?

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JasonX:

err yer myth is running ontop of fluxbox

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JasonX:

good 'ole knoppmyth

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JasonX:

I've got scripts to prompt me for a disk to insert and need OK button to respond to xterm window

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JasonX:

anyone?

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Juski:

try writing it in python or something that uses GDK or whatever.. I don't think shell scripts can pop dialogue boxes up all by themselves

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macroexp:

gdialog

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JasonX:

yer my script pops it up ok and it responds to keyboard but not to remote

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Juski:

use irxevent

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Jasper:

so long jimmy!

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

?

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Jasper:

nm me

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Jasper:

:P

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JasonX:

well i do alreay use irxevent to make my power button swap out XF86Configs and rerun myth

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ru080:

hi

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Juski:

JasonX: irxevent can send keypresses to more than one program

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JasonX:

but that launches a script, i want remote to sen ok to a script already launched

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Jasper:

so JasonX ?

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Jasper:

just specify multiple programs

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JasonX:

yer i tried that

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Jasper:

how did you try it?

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UBL:

does 0.19 let you set the default playback speed to 1.2x ?

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ru080:

Anyone know see a dvd with 2 o more divx videos?

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JasonX:

as in my lircrc file already sends to myth / mplayer / xine / mame

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Jasper:

huh ru080 ?

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Jasper:

a dvd with 2 divx videos?

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Jasper:

so can't you add the specific program which gets launched by your script to that JasonX ?

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ru080:

yes with mpg4 videos

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Jasper:

ru080 I don't understand your question?

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JasonX:

well i've tried : prog = prompt_dvdnum.sh

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JasonX:

i also tried prog = xterm

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Jasper:

and did you try it with the initial script ?

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Jasper:

which you load?

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JasonX:

im 95% sure I did, but I will retry

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Jasper:

hmm that's prolly not gonna work either

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Jasper:

it's worth a try though

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stuarta:

damn adsl's gone down... or they've broken the routing

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ru080:

JasonX: can you speak spanish?

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coffee88_:

just happened to me here. BBC just told me I'm no longer in the UK...

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Jasper:

that's cool though coffee88_

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Jasper:

making a trip around the world

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Jasper:

;p

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coffee88_:

not when I'm trying to download footage from them it isn't.

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Jasper:

they don't allow that..

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Jasper:

that's freaking lame anyways

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Jasper:

I can never watch anything

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coffee88_:

yes they do. Under creative commons license.

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Jasper:

oh my, just read that in germany a truck drove into a funeral

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Jasper:

how do you call it when all the cars follow the one car?

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JasonX:

Nope, all variations of name dont seem to respond

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stuarta:

tailgating

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coffee88_:

a B road?

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macroexp:

a funeral procession

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Jasper:

yeah prolly

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Jasper:

anyways a truck drove into it

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JasonX:

if i restart lirc while the prompt window is open then it DOES respond BUT then on returning to myth only the arrow keys seem to work

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sphing:

JasonX: run irw

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sphing:

and see if the commands are getting through to lirc

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JasonX:

the rest of myth works fine, ive got my own lircrc file

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JasonX:

so i know the lircrc file is being picked up i spent ages configing mapler, xine, mame so i know its doing the bizniz

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JasonX:

if i do /etc/init.d/lirc restart then it doesnt seem to work properly til i restart gdm

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coffee88_:

Whoa! Pissing donwn here so hard I can hardly see 5 metres out the window!

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

coffee88_ that's normal for the uk aint it?

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coffee88_:

Jut when I was going to go outside for a smoke too...

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JasonX:

its sunny here in the uk

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stuarta:

no, normally it's drizzly crap

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JasonX:

almost clear blue sky

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stuarta:

much prefer it when it's pissing down

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coffee88_:

But this year we have a drout

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stuarta:

JasonX: I've 4 seasons here.

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Jasper:

clear blue skys in the UK ?

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Jasper:

who are you trying to fool?

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JasonX:

theres a few whispy clouds around

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stuarta:

we had rainbows, sun, cloud and now evil cloud coming...

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Jasper:

:p

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Jasper:

better then over here

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Jasper:

still some snow laying around

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JasonX:

dude prolly lives near Manchester, always raining there

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stuarta:

so not enough snow to be useful then?

[16:15:27]

** coffee88_ wishes that he'd had some snow this year... **

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Jasper:

just went out cycling almost fell over that slippery 'just frozen' snow

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Jasper:

coffee88_ you didn't have snow this year?

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coffee88_:

None that settled... Central London, me.

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Jasper:

ah

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Jasper:

why would you want snow?

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JasonX:

so this lircrc file. lirc gets a command from remote, matches it to any progs that may be running and sends them the key or something?

[16:16:43]

** coffee88_ likes snow. **

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dev:

grass is always greener on the other side

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Jasper:

it's annoying

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Jasper:

:P

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dev:

you like it until you live in it ;p

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Jasper:

I mean .... a little bit of snow...and the trains stop moving

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coffee88_:

Thats an excuse for a day at home. no drama there.

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stuarta:

your lucky then, in the uk they stop if there are "leaves on the line"

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Jasper:

coffee88_

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Jasper:

750 km of not moving cars on the highway

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

in our small country

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Jasper:

it's no fun

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coffee88_:

That's what snowballs are for!

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JasonX:

uk's a sh1thole i know i suffer here

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coffee88_:

oh crap. here's the lightning and thunder... Been nice knowing you....

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Jasper:

:P

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JasonX:

even lirc doesn't work properly here in the UK :)

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Jasper:

JasonX what are you actually trying to do?

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Jasper:

with your own scripts?

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JasonX:

mythvideo calls script to prompt me to insert disk xxx when i select an offline video

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sphing:

JasonX: how often are you restarting lirc daemon?

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JasonX:

i pop disk in it plays it, everything works fine APART from getting lirc to respond

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JasonX:

well i never restart the lirc daemon

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sphing:

JasonX if i do /etc/init.d/lirc restart then it doesnt seem to work properly til i restart gdm

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JasonX:

ohhh thats just when testing stuff

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JasonX:

i normally restart gdm if i change lirc

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sphing:

so whats the problem?

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sphing:

when you put a disk in, lirc doesnt respond to it

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sphing:

*or rather the player doesnt respond to lirc

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JasonX:

i just mentioned that i noticed that if i restart the daemon then myth only repsonded to arrow keys eg my jump points etc no longer work

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sphing:

well thats irrelevant if you never restart lirc right?

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JasonX:

I call a script that does xterm...insert disk.. and needs a key to be hit to exit the xterm so script can continue to play the newly inserted disk,. Keyboard works fine, but not remote

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JasonX:

IF i restart lirc after myth has run then the xterm will get keys like OK BUT then myth doesnt respond properly

[16:27:26]

JasonX:

ideally number keys and OK button would work

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sphing:

JasonX mythvideo calls script to prompt me to insert disk xxx when i select an offline video

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sphing:

I now understand... I'm going wtf insert disc?

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JasonX:

lol

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sphing:

first off, I'm interested on how you did that, but thats later

[16:28:26]

JasonX:

this is closest thread – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/143039

[16:28:50]

JasonX:

though their solution isnt very good

[16:29:09]

JasonX:

'I' hit the play command

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JasonX:

I also mangled the imdb.pl so it replaces countries by actors :)

[16:30:08]

JasonX:

but thats all by the by

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sphing:

when you insert the disc, you need to hit a button to tell it the disc is loaded

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JasonX:

yer

[16:30:47]

** sphing thinks **

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JasonX:

script pops out disk tray, prompts me to insert disk 32, i pop it in, hit return, script then mounts the disk and plays it

[16:31:19]

JasonX:

that is if of course the file isnt already on the disk when it would just play it

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JasonX:

the playcommand in the db does $ dvd.sh "filename" disknum

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JasonX:

course the files dont actually exist on the cd, but myth thinks ive got 1 huge dvd with all my files on it

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JasonX:

these other geezers were setting up dummy files and all kinds of cr@p – madness!

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JasonX:

softlinks !!!

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sphing:

thats actually really cool...

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sphing:

i'm thinking if there is a way to autodetect the drive closing

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sphing:

so you wouldn't have to press enter

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JasonX:

well

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JasonX:

ideally it would respond, but that would do. I have turned auto-detect off as i didnt want anything interfering with my mounting and dismounting drive

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JasonX:

i sudo eject to get it to force eject

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sphing:

right.., i'm wondering if theres somewhere in the /proc that would be say the status of the drive

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sphing:

so the problem is that the xterm is catching the enter pressed by the remote

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sphing:

but once you press enter (using a keyboard) everything else works fine?

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JasonX:

ithe xterm responds to keyboard fine

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JasonX:

but i aint gonna have a kb attached once i finish all my myth expermientation

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sphing:

and once you press enter, the player (xine or mplayer or whatever) detects the lirc

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sphing:

yea that wasnt a solution.. i just want to make sure i understand it

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JasonX:

xine mplayer etc all work fine with lirs with their respective settings

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JasonX:

lirs = lirc

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sphing:

let me see if xterm responds to my lirc

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JasonX:

i have only been using linux for 2 months (am windoze programmer)

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JasonX:

but i have learned a lot on bash scripting (nightmare!)

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sphing:

in due time padowan, you will the force

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JasonX:

if i exit myth and run xterm and restart lirc then i do get some remote keys repsonding in xterm OK = c/r

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JasonX:

BUT if i restart gdm to relaunch myth, exit and run xterm WITHOUT restart lirc then it doesnt work

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sphing:

JasonX: interesting, lirc doesnt work my xterm either

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JasonX:

shrkbait at gmail on this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/143039 talks about it

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JasonX:

But i wasn't quite sure why he did what he did

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Orpheus1982:

Hi everybody!

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sphing:

JasonX: i really have no idea why he did... have you tried it

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ilc:

i have my base system setup up, which capture card do i want to purchase?

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Orpheus1982:

is there any chance, i may find somebody, who can answer me a question about DVB-C in Germany and EPG/EIT?

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ilc:

i need cable input and possible rgb

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sphing:

Orpheus1982: just ask..

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Merlin83b:

Best just to ask the question, Orpheus1982.

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Orpheus1982:

OK.. ;) I have installed a Terratec Cinergy 1200C DVB-C card in my box (2 PVR350 in here, too)

[16:49:44]

Orpheus1982:

modprobe budget-av makes the card useable with Kaffeine

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JasonX:

thing is i tried quite a few things about a week ago but gave up, but now am revisiting it, so cannot actually remember

[16:49:57]

JasonX:

i will try some of it

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Orpheus1982:

i also can view the free channels with mythtv /w sound

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sphing:

JasonX: give it a shot, i got to go, but I'm quite intersted in this

[16:50:47]

Orpheus1982:

so i think the signal is ok (mythtv says 52–55%), but i do not get EPG-Data from this card

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JasonX:

yer ok

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Orpheus1982:

i have the "use EIT-EPG" option enabled for the DVB-C channels

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Orpheus1982:

in mythtv-setup

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Orpheus1982:

but my epg does not fill for those DVB-C channels... in Kaffeine I have EPG-Data within seconds...

[16:52:34]

ilc:

is there anyone here i can pm about some questions i have?

[16:53:10]

Orpheus1982:

if your questions are not DVB-Related, i guess, i can help you...

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Orpheus1982:

ilc: i guess i cannot query you, because of my nick being bot registered...

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Orpheus1982:

give me a sec plz..

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ilc:

did you get message from me?

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: BE went again, during recording off the first card, about 5 mins from the end of the program.

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stuarta:

ooo...

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Merlin83b:

Or maybe it was after the recording, it does say it's an hour long in recorded programs...

[16:58:08]

Merlin83b:

I will do that debug build tomorrow morning.

[16:58:38]

stuarta:

I'm going to see why the scanning has gone to crap tonight

[16:58:50]

feld:

JasonX: are you using the mythtv box as a standalone PVR?

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Let me know how it goes and I'll svn update and rebuild tomorrow if you find anything.

[17:00:02]

feld:

I don't understand why people even using a wm/de or auto login with gdm/kdm/whatever. it's a bunch of unneeded bloat.

[17:00:37]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: will do, should see me back here in a few hours....

[17:01:53]

Merlin83b:

I may well not be online until tomorrow morning, but you never know :-)

[17:02:06]

Merlin83b:

I think the other half may be at work tonight, we'll see.

[17:02:25]

stuarta:

I'll be reporting anything interesting via -dev &/or trac

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Merlin83b:

I catch up on trac most mornings, but I'll grab you tomorrow morning anyway ;-)

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stuarta:

yep.

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_4ever_:

Hi

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_4ever_:

Beirdo: are you here?

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Orpheus1982:

is there anybody wou could give me general advice in making EPG EIT in Germany (NRW) with ISH-DVB-C available?

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stuarta:

fire away...

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_4ever_:

ok. no Beirdo:( – somebody knows well mythtv sound configuration?

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_4ever_:

so many people – nobody can help?

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Orpheus1982:

i'll try... what is you problem?

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_4ever_:

:) ok – my problem is sound

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_4ever_:

when watching DVD the sound works

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_4ever_:

but when watching TV – no sound

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_4ever_:

however when watching TV using other program (tvtime) – all is ok

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_4ever_:

any idea how to configure it?

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jvs_:

anybody using monodevelop here?

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Orpheus1982:

hmm... this i do not know...

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_4ever_:

:(

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_4ever_:

ok thanks anyway for trying :D

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stuarta:

Orpheus1982: If you are still here in about 2 hrs will try to help with EIT EPG

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Orpheus1982:

maybe in frontend under configuration – tv-setup you have to select the right device for mixing the audio channel?

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_4ever_:

exactelly

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_4ever_:

but it is correctly set to /dev/dsp

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stuarta:

nothing else using /dev/dsp?

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_4ever_:

shouldn't it be /dev/adsp ?

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_4ever_:

stuarta: no

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Orpheus1982:

maybe kde arts?

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stuarta:

confirmed with lsof?

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_4ever_:

no kde here, and no arts.

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Orpheus1982:

lsof | grep "/dev/dps" show who is using this

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Orpheus1982:

has to be /dev/dsp o'c

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_4ever_:

lsof ??

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_4ever_:

dont have such command

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Orpheus1982:

list open files

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Orpheus1982:

apt-get install // yum install // emerge lsof should help

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stuarta:

/usr/sbin/lsof

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_4ever_:

yes

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_4ever_:

I will do emerge lsof :D

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Orpheus1982:

depends on distribution you use

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_4ever_:

gentoo :D

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Orpheus1982:

i see...

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Orpheus1982:

just kicked gentoo from my parent's living-room-Box because of those horribel long downtime when updating...

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_4ever_:

gandalf ~ # lsof | grep "/dev/dps"

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_4ever_:

gandalf ~ #

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_4ever_:

shows nothing :(

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Orpheus1982:

even distcc with amd64 3200+ and a 2GHz Centrino Notebook

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_4ever_:

so nothing is using dsp

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Orpheus1982:

make it Grep /dev/dsp

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Orpheus1982:

was a typo in my command

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Orpheus1982:

lsof | grep "/dev/dsp"

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_4ever_:

yes right..

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_4ever_:

gandalf ~ # lsof | grep "/dev/dsp"

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_4ever_:

gandalf ~ #

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_4ever_:

nothing

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_4ever_:

:D

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Orpheus1982:

k

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Orpheus1982:

what about the channel controlled by mythtv?

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_4ever_:

AFAIK – mythtv shows not the direct image from card but the recorded one?

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_4ever_:

channel??

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_4ever_:

I dont get it?

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Orpheus1982:

in the same screen you specifiy the audio-device you have to select which sound-channel of the card should be controlled by volume-setting

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Orpheus1982:

e.g. master or pcm

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_4ever_:

ah

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_4ever_:

w8

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_4ever_:

audio device is set under capture card settings – right?

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Orpheus1982:

try starting a sound-mixer and then mythfrontend and play with the mixer while having live TV in the BG... if you find the device that makes sound then this is the one to use...

[17:19:27]

Orpheus1982:

sec.. i have to look...

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Orpheus1982:

configuration general settings...

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Orpheus1982:

3rd page

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cg:

Does any one have an ide of what can cause jittery output, when i try to wath tv on my mythbox using a nova-t on a AMD XP 2000+

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Merlin83b:

Many, many things :-)

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Orpheus1982:

mixer-device is /dev/mixer and the controlled channel (dunno the exact english translation, because i have german lang here) is PCM

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Merlin83b:

Lack of RAM would do you, for instance, cg.

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Orpheus1982:

or a bad signal...

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Merlin83b:

Or a slow ass hard disk/network latency if front and backend are seperate.

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Orpheus1982:

more interesting is the question, why my EPG does not fill with the data coming with my DVB-Stream

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_4ever_:

sorry – I can't find the mixer settings :(

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_4ever_:

mythtv-setup ??

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_4ever_:

or mythfrontend setup

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xris:

!search nuvexport xvid

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Orpheus1982:

mythfrontend

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Orpheus1982:

in the configuration menu

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xris:

Beirdo: lookin' good.

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Orpheus1982:

point "General Configuration", i guess...

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_4ever_:

oh I get it!!! I had "use internal volume controls" switched off :((( :]

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Orpheus1982:

now it works?

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_4ever_:

no :(

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_4ever_:

the only choice is PCM or MASTER

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Orpheus1982:

so.. i have to go shopping now...

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Orpheus1982:

try the other one...

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Orpheus1982:

maybe it helps....

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_4ever_:

ok

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ilc:

should i get the pvr250 or pvr350

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Orpheus1982|afk:

350 has an option to use the tv-card as video-card to output the image to a TV

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Orpheus1982|afk:

but in my eyes this is kinda ugly....

[17:31:34]

Orpheus1982|afk:

desktop is larger as area visible on a tv,,,

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Orpheus1982|afk:

all the pvr have hardware mpeg encoding...

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ilc:

i have nvidia 6200 agp

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ilc:

already has tv out

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drdaz_:

hi all... I just got my shiny new DVB-C card. I've downloaded the current 0.19.1 fixes code from SVN and patched using the hlci patch (described in ticket 844). Now, in the program guide, every time I move between channels (without selecting one) the preview image is briefly swapped out with the "Loading" message and then the preview seems to restart playback from the start of the current 'recording'. Is anybody else experiencing this?

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Orpheus1982:

drdaz: with dvb-c you kneed patches for EPG over EIT?

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drdaz_:

additionally, since downgrading from SVN to 0.19 fixes, mythweb is no longer working due to protocol differences any idea how to fix that?

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Orpheus1982:

0.19 from atrpms with Fedora Core4 do not work?

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drdaz_:

Orpheus1982: the card I bought needed a patch to function

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drdaz_:

Orpheus1982

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dev:

mythweb has no problem working .19 fixes branch

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dev:

sounds like you installed svn (.20)

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drdaz_:

I realise that

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drdaz_:

its the downgrade that caused the issue

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drdaz_:

I'm not sure how to fix that

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dev:

yeah you cant downgrade

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dev:

.20 has many database changes

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drdaz_:

the rest of the system works flawlessly

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dev:

you can downgrade if you backed up the db before upgrading

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dev:

drdaz_: lol.. yeah, the cars engine works fine, its just the transmission thats shot

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dev:

;p

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drdaz_:

lol buggery :(

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drdaz_:

could I perhaps kill off a table or 2 in the database?

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Guybrush:

is there any way to configure myth-tv so that parts of the GUI isnt cut off when using overscan on the TV?

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drdaz_:

dev: the thing is... it must be possible to somehow patch it up

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xris:

nice. my dvb card came with what appears to be a generic IR receiver.

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drdaz_:

xris: which card?

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dev:

drdaz_: yes, its possible, just alot of work.

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xris:

drdaz_: technisat skystar2

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drdaz_:

ok

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xris:

stupid receiver has no wire on it, though.. just a serial plug. wonder how the signal is supposed to reach behind the computer inside the cupboard

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dev:

couple of mirros heh

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drdaz_:

lol!

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dev:

lunch, yay

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drdaz_:

these changes to the database that make it hard to downgrade from SVN to 0.19-fixes... are they documented anywhere?

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** drdaz_ doesnt want to give up **

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Juski:

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xris:

w00t. and my video card cooler showed up.

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cg:

How much RAM do I need to run Mythtv on a AMD XP 2000+ and a nova-t dvb-t card?

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Guybrush:

playing back dvds isnt exactly intuitive

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Guybrush:

it just launches mplayer and plays back the first chapter of the dvd

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Guybrush:

then mplayer closes

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sona:

cg: maybe 64 or something

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sona:

works great with 120MB running kde

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cg:

I have got 512 and i only get verry jittery output

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kormoc:

cg, I have 256, running KDE and I get perfectly smooth video playback

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kormoc:

cg, in fact, I have 95 megs of free ram out of my 256

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Hoxzer:

where can I see when svn version was last updated?

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gbee:

I have an Athlon 1.4GB TB with 512Mb ... runs beautifully

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, svn.mythtv.org under timeline

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline

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gbee:

3 hours ago

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Beirdo:

MythLogBot, help

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Beirdo:

yay

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xris:

cool

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xris:

responds to its name as well as command function?

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xris:

MythLogBot: help

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xris:

woot

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Beirdo:

it does now, yup

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xris:

even recognizes different separators.

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xris:

that's cool

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Beirdo:

I do [:,]?s*

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Beirdo:

for those of you who are regexp types

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Beirdo:

although that should be s+

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xris:

good enough

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Beirdo:

ooops

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Beirdo:

MythLogBothelp

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heh

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xris:

yup

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skipjack:

Hello,

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** kormoc wishes MythLogBot would say bite my shiny metal ass **

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kormoc:

on unknown commands that is

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kormoc:

mornin skipjack

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skipjack:

hm

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Beirdo:

that would be nasty :)

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Beirdo:

I like, kormoc... but it would get a bit much

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skipjack:

can sombody help me? I want to build my MythTV machine .. and I need a TV card, I want to buy a analog TV card, but I don't know which is the best?

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Beirdo:

PVR-150/250/350/500

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kormoc:

skipjack, if you want one channel at a time, the pvr 150, if you want two, the 500

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skipjack:

kormoc, hmm what means one channel and two channel?

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skipjack:

do you mean that I can look split screen ?

[18:31:51]

skipjack:

And Need I a reciever when I working with an analog Tv card ?

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kormoc:

skipjack, the pvr 500 is dual 150's on a single card, so you can record and watch live tv at the same time, or record two shows at once

[18:31:58]

skipjack:

or can mythTV change the channels

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kormoc:

skipjack, myth can change the channel

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skipjack:

oh oky ;) I think 2 channels is better for me ;)

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skipjack:

kormoc, oky so I can connect the TV cabel direkt to my TV card ;)

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skipjack:

hehe nice ..

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skipjack:

oky lets check the prices of an PVR 500 ( Hauptpage ?)

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cg:

what can cause jittery output, when i try to watch tv from a nova-t, its running on a AMD Athlon XP 2000+, with 512 mB ram, and a nidia mx 2 200

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xris:

skipjack: hauppauge

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skipjack:

oky ..

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kormoc:

cg, check top and see what is useing the cpu

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xris:

cg: what resolution recording?

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skipjack:

ehm.. I have an Pentium3, with 600mhz is that oky for a MythTV machine ?

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skipjack:

the PVR 500 has hardware encoder and decoder or ?

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cg:

xris: i have not defined a reolution

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kormoc:

skipjack, they are hardware encoders, you should get a decent nvidia card and use that as the decoder and it should work fine for sdtv

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xris:

cg: someone must have... it comes in as SD or HD, which is it?

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xris:

your processor would be too slow to play back 1080i

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xris:

possibly too slow for 720p

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skipjack:

oky when I have right understand .. I watching over my PVR 500 TV, and over the Nvidia Grafikcard I encode the Video for ripping ?

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cg:

xiris: SD

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kormoc:

skipjack, the pvr 500 encodes the tv to mpeg2 video and puts it on the disk

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kormoc:

skipjack, then, when you watch it, the videocard will play it back

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skipjack:

oky .. I don't understand why I need a TV card for Looking TV and getting TV shows on my harddisk ..

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skipjack:

the videocard is the Nvidia Graficcard do you mean ?

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kormoc:

skipjack, yes, the videocard is the nvidia card, which displays the images

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xris:

skipjack: are you german?

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skipjack:

kormoc, oky ;)

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skipjack:

xris, yes ^^

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xris:

#mythtv-de

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skipjack:

is there a german channel ?

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skipjack:

oky lol

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xris:

much better help for you. :)

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Beirdo:

you are of course welcome here too

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Beirdo:

but the language barrier may be easier there :)

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xris:

yes, didn't mean to suggest that you leave, just that you'll get localized help there.

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_4ever_:

o Beirdo!! :D HI

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Beirdo:

heya

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_4ever_:

:D I have the image finally :) but no sound :(

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_4ever_:

any suggestion?

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skipjack:

xris, oh ;) it must not .. I can talk english;) *g* or is my english so bad?

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skipjack:

hehe localized help ;) is not everytime the best, I'm freak and I must speak english ;) when I will work and have fun with my Computer ;)

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xris:

skipjack: it's fine. I just noticed some german spellings/grammar and thought I'd let you know that there was a german channel.

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skipjack:

hehe ;)

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skipjack:

yes my english is bad ;)

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skipjack:

*g*

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xris:

better than my german.

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_4ever_:

:]

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skipjack:

hehe, ;)

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_4ever_:

but nobody talks polish here :>

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xris:

only spanish and german

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xris:

and occasionally chinese

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_4ever_:

:]

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xris:

but I can't do chinese

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Beirdo:

and occasionally profanities :)

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_4ever_:

:]

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xris:

MythLogBot: search f*ck

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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skipjack:

sO when I have right understand .. I need only a nvidia/or other manufaktor graficcard to look a video from the harddisk.. But When I want only to listen the normal TV then I don'T need a other graficcard ?

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xris:

haha.. I think it interprets that as two words

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Beirdo:

I bet the top score is pretty high

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xris:

no matches found

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Beirdo:

remember... wildcard in mysql is %

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skipjack:

hmm chinese .. is that suppord by xchat? / irc clients?

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xris:

it probably sees it as a serch for f and ck, which are both too short to match

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xris:

Beirdo: no it's not. that's for LIKE comparisons... fulltext has its own handler

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xris:

skipjack: no, it was anglicized

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Beirdo:

oh right

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

I SO need sleep

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skipjack:

hmm oky so for what I need an Nvidia card? for looking videos? or for Looking TV ?

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Beirdo:

to get the video from the computer to the TV or monitor

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skipjack:

oyk I need the nvidia card only because it has a TV out ? or the vga/DVI out ? for the monitoror TV ?

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skipjack:

and the PVR500 has no TV out for connecting a monitor ?

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Beirdo:

correct

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xris:

skipjack: and nvidia's linux drivers are better than ATI

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skipjack:

oky ;) so I need anyway a normal videocard ;)

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skipjack:

yes I know ;)

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skipjack:

Linux Tobias 2.6.15–1.1831_FC4 #1 Tue Feb 7 13:37:42 EST 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

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skipjack:

*g*

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skipjack:

I useing Linux since 1998 or so ..

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skipjack:

;)

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skipjack:

and I happy about NVIDIA !;)

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skipjack:

oky .. I need a Nvidia card with TV out or with Svout?

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skipjack:

which PVR 500 should I buy? 1.) Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 MCE Kit (1072) 2.) Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 MCE bulk (1083) ?

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kormoc:

skipjack, tv out usually includes svideo out

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skipjack:

oky ..

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kormoc:

skipjack, as for what type of tvout you want, it all depends on the tv you are hooking it up to

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skipjack:

ehm .. oky the PVR500 (the firsT) has the remotecontroll on board) I think remote controll is good;) but is the remote controll supported ?

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skipjack:

oky .. ehm 600mhz is that oky for Mythtv ?

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skipjack:

or is taht to low?

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Beirdo:

it would be marginal

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Beirdo:

assuming a PVR500 and a nvidia card, you might be able to pull it off

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

ahhh.

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Beirdo:

:)

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skipjack:

oky ;) So when I have a Nvidia card and the PVR500 I can use the low power cpu ;) because the PVR500 has Hardware decoder/encoder and the NVidia card has good drivers for using hardware m acceleration and so my CPU has nothing to do :)

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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Beirdo:

you MIGHT be able to

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Beirdo:

the playback may still require more CPU, but I've never tried with one that low in speed

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skipjack:

oky ;) so I think I need some money ;)

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Guybrush:

should work

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skipjack:

hehe ^^

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Beirdo:

so, it might work, it might not. Try it, I guess :)

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macroexp:

i used a 600mhz machine as frontend/backend for quite a while, but that was using a pvr-350 for output

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Roey:

hi

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Roey:

<Roey> I just want to see high-def cable, possibly digital cable, without signing my soul away.

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Roey:

<Roey> (giving out my personal info and viewing habits, etc.)

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Roey:

<Roey> If I have digital cable, can I still use mythtv to record shows?

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Beirdo:

yes, if you capture what normally would go to your TV

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Roey:

but the new TVs...

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Roey:

arent' they hdmi-only?

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kormoc:

only if you buy a hdmi only tv

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xris:

Roey: in the US, cable companies are required to provide HD customers with a firewire-capable box upon request. myth can record that way.

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Roey:

my question is: won't there come a time some day when the very link from the cable box to the TV will be encrypted?

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xris:

Roey: yes... btw, you can get dvi->hdmi adapters

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kormoc:

and videocard will be out that support hdmi eventually

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xris:

the encrypted one is hdcp.. same plug as hdmi, but encrypted signal.

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xris:

tv should work with or without hdcp, though.

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praet:

xris: actually i dont think non hd customers require firewire out

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skipjack:

has sombody a pVR 500 for me^^ *g*

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xris:

praet: did I say that?

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praet:

no you said for hd customers

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xris:

praet: and not necessarily at no extra cost, either.

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praet:

but i am affirming that standard digital has no firewire out

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rsquared:

stop reminding me i can't get some channels w/myth

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praet:

rsquared: what do you mean?

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rsquared:

encrypted HD

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praet:

ack

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rsquared:

i was actually thinking about getting a 2nd box for the few channels that are encrypted and running them through a pvr250 or something

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xris:

praet: it CAN, but likely won't.

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Roey:

xris: so what's the point of hdcp if TVs will not enforce it?

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xris:

the cable companies aren't even required to provide HD. FCC just wanted an unencrypted SD firewire port (480p), but so far it's been cheaper for the cable companies not to downsample

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praet:

xris: exactly.. the boxes do have eg. usb/fire ports on back but mostly not the firmware to enable them

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Roey:

xris: I heard that Congress was considering mandating some sort of lock on TV tuner cards for PCs.

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xris:

Roey: the TV *will* enforce it if the signal is encrypted... (but in the case of HDCP, it's more directed at recording devices like DVR's)

[19:06:44]

praet:

rsquared: thats what i d with a pvr-150

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rsquared:

well.. supposedly, if there's not a hdcp compliant device, the cable box won't send hte stream

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xris:

rsquared: exactly

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praet:

i think computers should be callsified the same as set top.. in that they should be a way to use it as the set top

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praet:

*classified

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rsquared:

praet, it has to do w/the chip on the firewire card

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rsquared:

like i did some research, and they have 5c compliant firewire chips...

[19:08:22]

rsquared:

it's just that they don't put them on pci cards

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praet:

oh

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xris:

praet: microsoft will guarantee that there are licensed media center computers, but congress will be bought off to guarantee that you can only buy full "approved" systems, which will kill the market for PCI cards, etc.

[19:09:10]

rsquared:

i was thinking....

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rsquared:

if the form factor of the chip is the same as on pci cards, one could hack one together

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xris:

meaning you'll be able to buy a media PC from dell, running windows... but won't be able to get the pvr-15000 or whatever

[19:09:32]

praet:

its wrong to interfere like that

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xris:

it'll all work with cablecard, too

[19:09:38]

praet:

right

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Guybrush:

xris: sure you can, just import from china

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xris:

Guybrush: not legally, anyway

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praet:

well there definately ack' the future potential of media pcs

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xris:

yup

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Guybrush:

i think drm will become huge for a while

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Guybrush:

and then there will be a backlash

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rsquared:

it's ghey

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xris:

Guybrush: that's what I hope will happen.

[19:11:16]

rsquared:

man.. i think my hangover just kicked in

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praet:

when people realize whats happening then maybe

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Guybrush:

yeah

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Guybrush:

sort of like communism

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Guybrush:

but things are happening

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Guybrush:

more and more artists release their songs on their own webshops in pure mp3

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Guybrush:

problem is the movie industry is a lot stronger than the record industry

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cg:

when i try to watch tv top says, that i use ca 30% cpu and i have ca 250 mB ram left, but i stil get very jittery output, what can be my problem?

[19:21:26]

rsquared:

sounds like.....

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kormoc:

cg, it could be videocard issues, hard drive speed issues, or audio issues

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Guybrush:

interlacing?

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rsquared:

... you need more cowbell ;)

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kormoc:

Guybrush, interlacing uses cpu, and he has free cpu

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kormoc:

cg, are you using an nvidia card?

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Roey:

hi

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cg:

kormoc, yes i'm using an nvidia card

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Guybrush:

kormoc: i meant that it looks jittery because of the interlacing

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Roey:

which digital/hidef tv tuners do you guys recommend?

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kormoc:

cg, what version of the nvidia drivers?

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cg:

kormoc, i use ver. 1.0.6629

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kormoc:

cg, nm then :P

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cg:

komroc, nm??

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kormoc:

cg, never mind, there's a known bug in the 8xxx drivers, but you're not using them, so it's not your issue

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Juski:

evenin'

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rsquared:

mornin

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kormoc:

mornin' Juski

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Juski:

hi kormoc.

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Juski:

bah tea-time

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mog_work:

hi

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mog_work:

if you have a recording conflict

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mog_work:

how does mythtv decide which to recordd

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mog_work:

if you dont resolve it

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kormoc:

mog_work, highest priority

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mog_work:

and if they are same level?

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xris:

mog_work: probably the oldest schedule

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kormoc:

mog_work, if one isn't repeated in the listings

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mog_work:

right

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mog_work:

but it will record one or the other?

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kormoc:

mog_work, then yeah, oldest to newest after all those checks

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kormoc:

yes

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xris:

mog_work: yes, it always chooses one

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mog_work:

cool

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mog_work:

just curious

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mog_work:

also

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mog_work:

is there a way to just transcode the audio

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mog_work:

i have a tv402u so my video is mpeg4 off the board

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mog_work:

but the audio is raw

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mog_work:

and i want that encoding in something smaller

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mog_work:

?

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mog_work:

because the transcoding options i saw didnt seem like there was a way to do it

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mog_work:

no one knows?

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Beirdo:

I've never really looked at transcoding within myth, so I can't help ya, sorry

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mog_work:

okies

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Beirdo:

would think that it would be part of the transcoding profile though, but I dunno

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mog_work:

i dont really need to do it as i have 80 gigs

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mog_work:

and only an hour per gig

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Beirdo:

eek. I'd be dead in that :)

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mog_work:

i dont see myself storing more than 80 hours of tv

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Beirdo:

400G, and I'm rarely below 300G used

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Beirdo:

but I'm using MPEG2 at about 2.2G/hr

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mog_work:

ahh

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mog_work:

yeah mine would be a lot smaller if it wasnt for raw audio

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mog_work:

my video is probably 200–300mb

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mog_work:

and audio is 200–3oomb

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mog_work:

per 30 minutes

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gbee:

I manage quite well with 80Gb and mpeg2 ... don't save recordings after watching them and so I'm unlikely to let ~40 hours accumulate

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mog_work:

if i lose the recording mythtv wont rerecord an episode i have already seen correct?

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gbee:

do save the odd film for burning to DVD

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mog_work:

as long as i dont flush buffer

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mog_work:

err mysql table

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Beirdo:

if you delete the recording, it should keep track of it and not record an episode with the same title, etc (depending on the duplicate detection method you chose), correct

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mog_work:

right

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mog_work:

good

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mog_work:

i do show title and program title

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mog_work:

so i should be fine

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I do too on almost all shows. Unless the channel data is somehow funky, it should catch almost all of them

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mog_work:

cool

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grant_:

Hi, quick question – does mythtv 0.19 resolve the 'repeat' error with mysql 5?

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Beirdo:

dunno, I won't use mysql 5 until it's unborked

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bronson:

The 0.19 release docs say that a DVD player has been integrated.

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Beirdo:

I think it's an upgrade issue from 4->5 that causes people pain though

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bronson:

...but I sure don't see it. The mplayer command line is still there.

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bronson:

Are the release docs wrong? Did I miss a config option?

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Beirdo:

write down the mplayer command line and then replace with "Internal"

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Beirdo:

I believe

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grant_:

Beirdo: I've been using mysql 5 + mythtv 0.18 on gentoo.. and man it's been a pain

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Beirdo:

if it don't work, change it back :)

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bronson:

Beirdo, that makes sense.

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bronson:

If it doesn't work, I'll change it to Xine. :)

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mog_work:

how hard is it to get mythtv to use alsa as to oss

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drdaz_:

some of my channels are available to me in both digital and analog... is there any way I can get myth to use the same channel number for both versions of the channel where available?

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mog_work:

as i cant get my dvds to work with sound

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Beirdo:

eek, dunno, I think a lot of people use ALSA in OSS emu mode

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Beirdo:

I don't do ALSA if I can help it (I like being a dinosaur sometimes)

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Beirdo:

but I know others here have that working no problem

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** Beirdo pokes kormoc... You use ALSA? **

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mog_work:

well even with the internal dvd player in myth i get no audio

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rsquared:

i need to get my transcoding working

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grant_:

I'm using alsa

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mog_work:

how do you enable it, just point it at the right dev nodes?

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grant_:

well, I think it's distro specific

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mog_work:

well im running debian ^_^

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grant_:

I use gentoo, and there was a nice ALSA setup tutorial on the gentoo wiki

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grant_:

you might still be able to use the gentoo wiki to get at general stuff

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Beirdo:

ummm, the mythtv part of using ALSA will be the same regardless of distro

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grant_:

Beirdo – yes, but perhaps

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grant_:

well

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mog_work:

thats what i would have thought

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grant_:

mog_work: did you run alsa_mixer and make sure nothing dvd specific is muted?

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mog_work:

yeah i use alsa_mixer and nothing is muted

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Beirdo:

installing ALSA drivers may be distro-specific, but certainly not myth's use of it

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mog_work:

but myth was using oss and probably had hard lock on sound card

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grant_:

hmm.. out of my range now

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drdaz_:

some of my channels are available to me in both digital and analog... is there any way I can get myth to use the same channel number for both versions of the channel where available?

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drdaz_:

I'm getting the feeling its not possible :-/

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drdaz_:

what I'd like to achieve is there only being one entry of "channel x" in the program guide even if there are 2 sources for it..

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macroexp:

just pick one and remove the other from your listings

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CLucas916_x64:

is it possible to record hd content?

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gbee:

CLucas916_x64: Yes

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CLucas916_x64:

with hd resolution?

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gbee:

yes

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CLucas916_x64:

what if the feed is encypted

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rsquared:

it won't capture

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Beirdo:

then yer hosed

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CLucas916_x64:

bummer

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drdaz_:

macroexp: that's what I'm trying not to do.. say the system is recording using my digital tuner, and I want to watch 'channel x', I'd like it to be able to get it off the tuner that is available

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drdaz_:

basically I've got a "digital mirror" of all the channels available to me... it'd be rather nice to be able to use them effectively

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

fall down, go boom.. again

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drdaz_:

oO

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drdaz_:

somebody broke the interweb

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Beirdo:

meh

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drdaz_:

j00!!?

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drdaz_:

:(

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drdaz_:

!trout itself

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cg:

When i try to watch tv, i get lots of thies lines im my term 00 motion_type at X X, what does this mean (the tv output is also vere jittery)

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kormoc:

yes, I use alsa, if whomever needed help, still does

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joelw23:

i'm trying to install mythtv for the first time

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joelw23:

it's installed, but I can't run mythtv-setup

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joelw23:

please help

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drdaz_:

kormoc: did u see my previous question about channel numbering?

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roger55:

joelw23, how can you not run it? what happens?

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kormoc:

joelw23, my telepath powers tell me that your cat/dog/bird/snake pushed the super secret make it not work button

[21:01:51]

kormoc:

drdaz_, nope?

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drdaz_:

ok:

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joelw23:

i'm new to linux

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drdaz_:

some of my channels are available to me in both digital and analog... is there any way I can get myth to use the same channel number for both versions of the channel where available?

[21:02:19]

joelw23:

how do i run it

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joelw23:

i'm in /mythtv/

[21:02:34]

kormoc:

joelw23, in a terminal winodw, type mythtv-setup

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roger55:

joelw23, open a terminal and type: mythtv-setup then hit enter

[21:03:06]

joelw23:

command not found

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drdaz_:

basically I'm looking to get myth to use both sources of the same channel intelligently where its possible

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kormoc:

drdaz_, I donno how that works, as I don't have digital/hd tv

[21:03:42]

kormoc:

joelw23, did you install myth?

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joelw23:

yes

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joelw23:

joel@ubuntu:~$ mythtv-setup

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joelw23:

bash: mythtv-setup: command not found

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Jusk1:

I dunno – that's quite an optimistic combination.. intelligent and 'TV' ;-)

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drdaz_:

lol

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drdaz_:

:p

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kormoc:

joelw23, then it's not installed correctly

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drdaz_:

well intelligent is perhaps overstating it

[21:04:40]

drdaz_:

but.. u see what I'm getting at?

[21:04:57]

drdaz_:

its doable if u just have analog tuners I believe?

[21:05:16]

roger55:

joelw23, does /usr/bin/mythtv-setup exist?

[21:05:33]

Jusk1:

I've got 2 dvb-t tuners set to use the same 'video source' and both work seamlessly

[21:05:55]

Jusk1:

I don't know about using different sources with the same channel name though

[21:06:06]

Jusk1:

it _should_ be okay, I'd imagine

[21:06:20]

roger55:

oh well it should be in path anyway...

[21:06:21]

drdaz_:

hmm..

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Jusk1:

joelw23: you seen the guide over at www.abarbaccia.com ?

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joelw23:

thats what i was trying to use

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drdaz_:

looking @ the database it seems myth uses the 'chanid' for recordings and the like... not the channel number.. and chanid is unique :-/

[21:07:23]

kormoc:

abarbaccia should move the guide to the wiki.

[21:07:25]

joelw23:

i don't see usr/bin/mythtv

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Jusk1:

the abarbaccia guy might drop by in an hour or so

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Jusk1:

he knows ubuntu & mythtv pretty well

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kormoc:

his guide is still for 0.18 as well, iirc

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Jusk1:

yeh well the debs aren't quite common knowledge yet AFAIK

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joelw23:

where else would it install to??

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Jusk1:

usr/local/bin ?

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joelw23:

lame is in that dir

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Jusk1:

more than one thing can be in there

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joelw23:

joel@ubuntu:~/myth/mythtv$ dir

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joelw23:

AUTHORS config.mak docs libs settings.pro

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joelw23:

config configure FAQ Makefile setup

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joelw23:

configfiles contrib filters mythtv.pro themes

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joelw23:

config.h COPYING i18n programs UPGRADING

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joelw23:

config.log database keys.txt README version.pro

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joelw23:

that is the dir where i did ./configure

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kormoc:

joelw23, you're compiling from source?

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

that's not really recommended for newbies

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joelw23:

how else do i do it

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joelw23:

then i did

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joelw23:

$ qmake mythtv.pro

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joelw23:

$ make qmake

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joelw23:

$ make -j 2

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kormoc:

joelw23, there's packages for ubuntu I beleive

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xris:

joelw23: use a distribution with packages... like fedora or ubuntu or gentoo

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joelw23:

then $ su

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joelw23:

# make install

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joelw23:

# exit

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joelw23:

how do i get the packages

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kormoc:

joelw23, you sure it didn't error out?

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kormoc:

joelw23, what distro are you using?

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joelw23:

ubuntu

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joelw23:

i don't think so

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kormoc:

joelw23, http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/

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kormoc:

joelw23, that howto doesn't show compiling from source

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joelw23:

E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock – open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)

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joelw23:

E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?

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kormoc:

sounds like your ubuntu install is a bit screwy...

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joelw23:

why would that be

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joelw23:

i just installed it today

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kormoc:

joelw23, cause you shouldn't get that unless you were messign with dpkg in another terminal

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joelw23:

i don't even know what dpkg is

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joelw23:

i only have one terminal open

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kormoc:

dpkg is ubuntu's package management system

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kormoc:

joelw23, and for some reason, it thinks it's in use

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joelw23:

is there somewhere i can check if it's in use

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kormoc:

ps ax | grep dpkg

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joelw23:

joel@ubuntu:~/myth/mythtv$ ps ax | grep dpkg

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joelw23:

21761 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep dpkg

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kormoc:

right, it's not running, but it thinks it is

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kormoc:

hence my saying it's screwey

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joelw23:

weird

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joelw23:

so reinstall??

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kormoc:

sure, that's likely the easiest way for you to fix it

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joelw23:

is there a way to reinstall without having reformatting

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kormoc:

and this time, follow that howto with installing myth, don't install via the source

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xris:

joelw23: have you rebooted? that might clear out the lock file

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joelw23:

no

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joelw23:

i can try that

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joelw23:

i'll try that

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joelw23:

brb

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kormoc:

xris, well, we also don't know where he installed the source version of myth, so he might run into issues with that as well

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xris:

ah.. thought he was still stuck in the compile phase

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I seem to keep missing you when you're here.. are you around?

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kormoc:

he's been idle for 20 hours

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stuarta:

!seen Juksi

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MythLogBot:

Juksi has not been seen here

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stuarta:

!seen Juski

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MythLogBot:

Juski was last seen 36 minutes 24 seconds ago

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defi_:

anything special needed for the cd/dvd monitor to work?

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joelw23:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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joelw23:

mythtv-database

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joelw23:

mythtv

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joelw23:

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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joelw23:

the restart worked but now i got this

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xris:

joelw23: looks like you might be best off to just reinstall.. formatting shouldn't take more than a minute or two if you do a quick format.

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joelw23:

i can't login to mysql

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joelw23:

i got mythtv setup to run

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joelw23:

but mysql login denied

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kormoc:

did you install mysql?

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kormoc:

did you setup the database?

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joelw23:

yes

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kormoc:

did you use the proper mysql command line?

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joelw23:

yes

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kormoc:

then you didn't setup the database correctly

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joelw23:

i can't get into mysql now

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joelw23:

ok

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joelw23:

how do i fix that

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kormoc:

follow the instructions

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joelw23:

joel@ubuntu:~$ mysql -u root mysql

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joelw23:

ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)

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kormoc:

you didn't use the correct command line

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drdaz_:

hmm I'm getting somewhere with this... is there a way of getting myth to choose one tuner card over another in the system if both cards offer the channel you want to watch?

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kormoc:

mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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kormoc:

drdaz_, I don't beleive so.

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drdaz_:

noez!

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drdaz_:

:(

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joelw23:

password doesn't work

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joelw23:

how do i reset it

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kormoc:

drdaz_, you can say, always use this tuner before the other one, but I don't think you can do that per channel

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drdaz_:

oh no

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kormoc:

joelw23, reinstall mythtv.

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drdaz_:

I want it on a per tuner basis :)

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kormoc:

drdaz_, ahh, set the tuner priority then :)

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drdaz_:

that's exactly what I'm after..

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drdaz_:

ok.. I'm looking @ the database and seeing all of the priority values @ 0

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drdaz_:

setting one higher should cause that card to be preferred right?

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kormoc:

drdaz_, I think you can set that in mythtv-setup as well, but yeah, I do beleive higher is better

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drdaz_:

ok.. thx

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xris:

drdaz_: higher is better

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drdaz_:

thx :)

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drdaz_:

I asked this earlier and got a response I didnt like... so I'll try again... is there anything I can do to downgrade from SVN-head to 0.19-fixes and have mythweb still work?

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kormoc:

drdaz_, downgrade mythweb too

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xris:

drdaz_: yes. downgrade mythweb, too.

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xris:

but you'll run into all kinds of db changes that'll likely break your myth setup

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drdaz_:

well the rest is downgraded and is working ok for the most part..

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drdaz_:

mythweb just moans about different protocol versions...

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xris:

yeah. so downgrade it, too

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drdaz_:

the trouble is I thought I did.. heh

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xris:

let me double check

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xris:

nope. fixes is proto version 26, svn is 27

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drdaz_:

indeed..

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xris:

unless someone changed the proto version of the backend in -fixes, but I hope that's not the case

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drdaz_:

I doubt it..

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drdaz_:

its likely me

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kormoc:

xris, I think they might have...

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drdaz_:

I'm running fixes now and its 26

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xris:

drdaz_: just wipe/reinstall your mythweb install

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drdaz_:

my mythweb still thinks it's 27

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drdaz_:

ok.. will do

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xris:

drdaz_: or change it in mythweb. nothing that big has changed.

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kormoc:

huh, I wonder if I borked mine

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xris:

svn has a couple of tiny new features, but I've backported most commits to -fixes

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kormoc:

my mythweb thinks it's 27 as does the svn fixes branch Cardoe rolled out

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drdaz_:

oO

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kormoc:

so I might have borked it

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drdaz_:

heh changing the tuner priority doesnt seem to affect which tuner gets used atm

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drdaz_:

I'm talking about LiveTV here btw

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xris:

drdaz_: no, I think that's only for resolving conflicts

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drdaz_:

ok

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xris:

kind of annoying. wish it worked for livetv, too.

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drdaz_:

for liveTV it's perhaps the cardinputid that determines things?

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xris:

then myth wouldn't load my air2pc card first when I view livetv...

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drdaz_:

as in.. the order you installed them in effectively

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xris:

not sure

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drdaz_:

I'll fiddle and see what happens :)

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drdaz_:

xris: it seems to be determined by the cardid field in the database

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xris:

makes sense

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drdaz_:

1 gets used first and so on

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Pitchin_uk:

evening – i have a virtual host in httpd that I would like to add some authentication on. I have the htaccess file but am stuck from there

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Jusk1:

Pitchin_uk: check some apache howto guides. I'd suggest the apache manual but I've seen it ;-)

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Pitchin_uk:

Ok cheers Jusk1 – Ive cracked it!! (Woohoo)

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Jusk1:

nye swan ;)

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Jusk1:

I've just finished setting up phase one of my CCTV

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Jusk1:

2 cameras, down one cat5 cable – another 2 arriving tomorrow

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Pitchin_uk:

Jusk1 – whats the easiest way to find out my ip??

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Pitchin_uk:

on my lan (not external)

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Jusk1:

ifconfig

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Jusk1:

or set static IPs yerself

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Pitchin_uk:

ok cheers

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Pitchin_uk:

Jusk1 – how are you with setting up ssh

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Jusk1:

/etc/init.d/sshd start

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Jusk1:

rc-update add sshd default

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Jusk1:

ding

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Pitchin_uk:

ssh is running – but i dont' understand the next bit

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root___:

Hey, quick question – do I need to add mythfilldatabase to crontab? or does mythtv run it automagically?

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DartmanX2:

okay, Ive gone through the whole mythtv-setup routine, the system sees the PVR-150 card, and the channels are downloaded from DataDirect correctly. the only problem is when I try to "watch tv", I just get a blank screen

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DartmanX2:

I dont know what to do next

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root___:

I've gotten that before

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root___:

I can't remember what I did tho

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root___:

crap.. am I running as root?

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root___:

anyways, DartmanX2 — check dmesg for ivtv errors. are you using gentoo?

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DartmanX2:

I have all of the inputs for the card set to the video source ("Listings")

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DartmanX2:

root___, no, knoppmyth

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grant___:

DartmanX2: still, check out dmesg and see if ivtv is giving you errors

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jarango:

When ripping DVDs with MythDVD the ripped copy does not have the same aspect ratio as the source. Is there a way to fix this ?

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DartmanX2:

hold one, Ill check

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JasonX:

whwn you press 1 & 2 in mplayer it can adjust contrast up or down, mplayer seems to remember these settings, next tome you play. I cannot seem to find wgere mplayer stores them though /home/mythtv/.mplayer/config & /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf are both almost blank

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DartmanX2:

negative on ivtv errors

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DartmanX2:

output of dmesg | grep ivtv showed no errors

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DartmanX2:

any other ideas?

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grant___:

do a cat /dev/video0 and see if you get a bunch of garbage

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DartmanX2:

yes, several bags worth (of garbage)

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grant___:

hmm..

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grant___:

ok, so that means that at least your card is working

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DartmanX2:

enough to have to close the xterm and open a new one :)

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grant___:

and you are getting reception

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DartmanX2:

here's a stupid question

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DartmanX2:

this is a box Im setting up for someone else

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DartmanX2:

he has (very) basic cable

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grant___:

actually, try running 'mplayer /dev/video0' under X

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DartmanX2:

the datadirect subscription was for his listings, but Im on my own cable

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grant___:

see if you see anything there

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DartmanX2:

I figured the frequency table would be the same in this case.

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grant___:

oh.. yeah, I dunno

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grant___:

do you have that ptune.pl script?

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DartmanX2:

mplayer = blank screen

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aluicious:

after ripping a dvd im unable to eject it... lsof on my dvd drive shows that even after the rip has finished mtd is still accessing it. is there a way to fix this?

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DartmanX2:

yes, it looks like ptune.pl is on here

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grant___:

you can use that script to change channels

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grant___:

I forget the syntax, but if you google the gentoo mythtv setup, there's a deal on how to set it up

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, so what exactly is the issue?

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DartmanX2:

nothing. I did a ptune.pl -c 5 (change to channel 5) and then an mplayer /dev/video0, nothing

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, are you sure the input is set to the tuner?

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DartmanX2:

kormoc, Ive got everything set up and configured. Card is found, no ivtv errors. However, "Watch TV" just gives me a black screen

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, right, so is the input set to the tuner rather then svideo or composite?

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DartmanX2:

all of the listed inputs are set to the "Listings" source

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DartmanX2:

so, svideos, composites, and tuners are set to that

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, you can't change the channel on a svideo input or a composite input...

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mogorman:

hi

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, you see, svideo/composite are just stright in, channel less inputs that you have nothing on

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mogorman:

is there anyway to just transcode the audio

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, so if the card is displaying svideo, you'd see exactly what you're describing, hence my question...

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mogorman:

and not video

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DartmanX2:

okay, so I screwed up by setting ALL the inputs

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kormoc:

mogorman, I beleive nuvexport can export the audio if you wish

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, well, can you make sure it's set to use the tuner?

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mogorman:

well i dont want to take it out of myth

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mogorman:

its just my tuner gives me divx vid and raw audio

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mogorman:

so my files end up still being really big

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DartmanX2:

okay, in setup, the default input is tuner0

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mogorman:

id like em to be smaller

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kormoc:

mogorman, so it's a bttv card?

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mogorman:

its a tv402u

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kormoc:

mogorman, but it's a framegrabber?

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mogorman:

i dont think so

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mogorman:

it has a special option in myth-setup

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mogorman:

for plextor tv402u

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kormoc:

DartmanX2, okay, that's the correct one, so then yeah, time to look elsewhere

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aluicious:

dartmanx2 – what kind of capture card?

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