Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 5th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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atomjack:

im going to go back to the original kernel, remove the 586, and rpm -ivh the 686...

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Pitchin_uk:

rayman-bx – i think thats done as the error stops appearing in the log but now the page is complete wingdings

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atomjack:

how can i force rpm to install an older kernel than what i am running? for some reason it removed the original kernel that was installed and rpm wont let me install an older one

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Pitchin_uk:

rayman-bx found it – did a bit of googling

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myNOOBtv:

hello everyone

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myNOOBtv:

like my name implies I am new to MythTv and would greatly appreciate a couple of pointers

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kormoc:

myNOOBtv, what areas are you wanting help in?

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Pitchin_uk:

juski + rayman-bx – woohoo it now works – cheers for your help

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atomjack:

where does yum store the rpm's it downloads?

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atomjack:

nm

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – next query – the old mythfilldatabase again :)

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Beirdo:

OK, bouncing the bot for a small upgrade

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

!notice

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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Beirdo:

there ya go, Juski. There's a command for it

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bio_:

hmm

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kormoc:

Beirdo, maybe it should send it directly to the person who requested it?

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bio_:

bio@shelbyville:~/.tvtime$ mythfrontend -v

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bio_:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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bio_:

anyone has an idea? google only brought me one site, and that was the irclog of this channe where ole_schoola had the same problem

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Beirdo:

nah, this is for the oblivious who ask where the logs are :)

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Beirdo:

it will notify you when you join anyways

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Beirdo:

if it hasn't for at least 24h

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kormoc:

bio_, your install is borked, we need more info, like distro, how you installed myth, and all that jazz

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bio_:

/usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0 is there

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RaYmAn-Bx:

chances are /usr/local/lib isn't in /etc/ld.so.conf

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bio_:

kormoc: downloaded 0.19 source, distro is debian testing, used ./configure --disable-audio-oss --enable-directfb --enable-dvb --enable-proc-opt

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kormoc:

bio_, yeah, likely what RaYmAn-Bx said

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bio_:

well ;)

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bio_:

thank you ^^

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xpis:

Do most people have two mythtv boxes – one for development and one for important recordings?

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Beirdo:

next step... make it log its own output too

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kormoc:

xpis, likely only the people really into the development

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xpis:

I only have one, but making patches against 0.19 wouldn't be very useful, and putting unstable code on my main machine isn't appealing.

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Beirdo:

Oh, and trim trailing spaces too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so this doesn't happen...

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xpis:

(at the moment, I'm trying to add support for VBR MP3 and vorbis in (framegrabber) recordings, and volume normalization during playback.

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Beirdo:

!trout kormoc

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Beirdo:

oh wait

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** kormoc laughs **

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Beirdo:

it didn't do it

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kormoc:

!trout MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

!trout kormoc

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

did I fix that already!?

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo

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Beirdo:

odd

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Beirdo:

it acts differently here than on my test site

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways, gonna trim anyways

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kormoc:

defferent irc server software

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Beirdo:

nope

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drdaz:

!trout yo mamma

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – you still there

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Beirdo:

it's logging another channel here on freenode

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kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: no I'm not still here ;-)

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kormoc:

Juski is just a figment of our collective imagination

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Juski:

I am Donnie Darko

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kormoc:

don't you mean more Frank?

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Octane:

anyone here have a cable box that shuts itself orff at random times

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xpis:

Octane: is it a motorola box?

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Octane:

it sucks because i need to use an irblaster and it doesnt work when the box is off

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – i thought you scarpered when i mentioned mythfilldatabase!! – its nothing serious – just populationg the xmltvids for the channels in my newly working mythweb is bbc 3 = choice.... and bbc 4 = knowledge...

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: piece of p***

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Octane:

i can send it a POWER signal... but then it will power off if its on

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Juski:

bbc3 == choice.bbc.co.uk

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Juski:

bbc4 == knowledge.bbc.co.uk

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Juski:

bout bloody time they were updated innit

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myNOOBtv:

ever see this error on backend load? failed to set controls, error: No such device

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xpis:

Octane: See if the frame is black. If it is, it's off.

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xpis:

Octane: use a modified mythcommflag.

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – yeah it would be nice for them to relate!!!

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Octane:

xpis i just had a good idea

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: you wanna see some of the cable channel names.. jesus

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Octane:

xpis i can set my box to power-off automatically at a certain set time... and then use a cron job to power on a few seconds later

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Juski:

discovery-europe.discoverynetwork.co.uk (eeeep)

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myNOOBtv:

*notices FairWtns*

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FairWtns:

Sup? I've totally been here. Swear.

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xpis:

Octane: but your process may lose track whether it is on or off if you hit the switch manually.

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xpis:

Octane: You really should check to see if it is on or off.

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myNOOBtv:

I'm hosed on a new install...so nuttin's up

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xpis:

Octane: What model of cable box is it, anyway?

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FairWtns:

What's the hangup? I just got through my new kernel install, so I can take on the world. :)

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Octane:

xpis let me check

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myNOOBtv:

coolies

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Octane:

xpis let me check for ya

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myNOOBtv:

well when I go to watch tv I get a blank screen and looking in the startup log I see this error "failed to set controls, error: No such device"

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Juski:

echo off

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myNOOBtv:

neither one of my H PVR 150's are loading right

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FairWtns:

Are the modules loading? "lsmod | grep ivtv"?

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myNOOBtv:

they both work in console tests tho :/

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myNOOBtv:

aye

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myNOOBtv:

ivtv is loaded fine

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myNOOBtv:

and ivtv reports both cards

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Juski:

are both cards set as mpeg2 encoders in mythtv-setup hmm?

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Octane:

xpis Pioneer bd-5301

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myNOOBtv:

yes both as mpeg2

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FairWtns:

The old "cat /dev/videowhatever > somefile" trick works correct?

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myNOOBtv:

yes I can make and view test files with both

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xpis:

Octane: ok.. does it have a relay power switch on it?

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xpis:

Octane: (a power outlet on the back to turn on/off old TVs)

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv: You wanna try putting your frontend logs into the pastebin?

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Octane:

xpis yes it does

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FairWtns:

And btw: Anyone using DPMS? I'm curious as to how to ensure LIRC can wakeup from standby.

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myNOOBtv:

I will be glad to .... um please tell me how?

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xpis:

Octane: And do you have the audio going through your sound card, or through an ivtv device?

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv: Just a sec..

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myNOOBtv:

kk getting the logs ready

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Octane:

xpis: the output audio?

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xpis:

Octane: the audio from the cable box to your mythtv box

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:It's been awhile. Go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste the log there, then tell us the url it gives you.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys — hopefully a quick question. Using Myth .19 now, and I went to add some new video files today, but I can't seem to find the 'Scan' option anymore to add them to myth... Am I losing it? I didn't see anything in the docs either...

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Octane:

xpis: i have an rca cable going from settopbox to the pvr's input

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: same place it always was.. utils/setup > video manager

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xpis:

Octane: And is there an extra composite video output you are not using?

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myNOOBtv:

Fair, will do

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FairWtns:

Octane:Hasn't moved that I know. utils..vid manager..<<auto scans>>. Kind of silly though. Should auto-scan in the background by default if you ask me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tried that, but I only seem to get into the page to edit the metadata...

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – i can imagine – is there a list somewhere where the channels match up against the xmltvids??

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Octane:

xpis i use svideo in

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myNOOBtv:

logs are posted to http://pastebin.com/584315

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: not a page but a file I told you about before.. /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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** FairWtns checks the bin. **

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Pitchin_uk:

ok got it – cool

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xpis:

Octane: but does your cable box have a composite output that you don't use?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: When I select "Video Manager", it's the page to edit the video Metadata. I don't see the 'Scan' option anywhere anymore. :-(

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Octane:

xpis let me chec

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Octane:

k

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Pitchin_uk:

its just that i have some channels ive found that i dont have ids for – hopefully this file should old the answer?! :S

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Octane:

xpis just to make sure, when we say composite, we mean the actual cable wire, right

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xpis:

Octane: cable wire?

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: it should scan automagically

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Pitchin_uk:

old = hold btw

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xpis:

Octane: By composite, I mean composite video. Usually, it will be a yellow RCA plug.

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Octane:

ahhh, yes it does have composite out

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Octane:

i use composite for audio

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Octane:

but it has composite video too

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myNOOBtv:

thought you were doing a cockney accent Pitchin :P

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xpis:

Octane: there is no such thing as composite audio

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: ask me for xmltvids – I know most if not all the freeview ones

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Humm... Is that new in .19? I remember having to scan manually... (or was that just music???) Umm... Well, if that's the case, what's the interval, or can I force it to scan now – my new videos are not showing up...

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xpis:

Octane: it's simply line audio over RCA jacks.

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Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: should do it when you go into the video manager

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv: /msg me the output of "ls -alh /dev/video*"

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FairWtns:

Or pastebin or whatever.

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myNOOBtv:

will do

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xpis:

Octane: (no biggie, just so that in the future you know the correct terminology so people can better understand what you are talking about when it comes to this sort of thing)

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Octane:

xpis i appreciate that.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Ok, thanks.

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Pitchin_uk:

ok will do just doing another scan realised im missing sky sports news – my favourite channel!!!

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xpis:

Octane: Use a RCA->3.5" miniplug adapter plug to plug the composite video into your sound card.

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xpis:

(the line in input)

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xpis:

An easy way to test whether it is on is to test for a small voltage on the composite video out.

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myNOOBtv:

did you get that?

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Octane:

xpis i dont see how this will solve the power issue?

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xpis:

Octane: if you know when it is off, you know when to issue a power command.

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xpis:

(via lirc)

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Octane:

xpis, excuse the ignorance, but how will the computer know its off?

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xpis:

Your sound card will detect a voltage when the box is on.

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xpis:

In fact.. let me test this method myself with my box to make sure it works right.

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Octane:

wow, thats an awesome workaround

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv: Nope.

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FairWtns:

I'm finding some results though...

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xpis:

Whatever you do, do NOT hook composite video to the MIC in.

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Do you know where your modprobe.conf is? "locate modprobe.conf" or "find / -iname modprobe.conf"

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xpis:

(it MUST be line-in)

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myNOOBtv:

kk here then http://pastebin.com/584326

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Octane:

got it

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myNOOBtv:

I do know where it is would you like me to post it?

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FairWtns:

yeah. The /dev entries look ok to me... Try the modprobe. I see someone had a similar problem in this very room..: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2006-01-14 (search for Colour)

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xpis:

Octane: it works quite well.

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myNOOBtv:

kk posting mine and noting the one you just listed there

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FairWtns:

Looks like it might be a problem on load but I'm thinking it over. Me not so smart, especially after 4 beers. Which reminds me, there's two left.

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – also i have some channels ive picked up from a scan that are not in the freeview.xmltv – should i add them in???

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: yeh you can do, if they're not interactive or 'topuptv' ones

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Paste that up, I'll be back after a quick smoke.

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myNOOBtv:

okies here it is FairWtns tp://pastebin.com/584331

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myNOOBtv:

okies here it is FairWtns http://pastebin.com/584331

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Octane:

xpis so you connect the composite out from the settopbox to the soundcard's line in... and then use mythcomfag?

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Octane:

flag too

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xpis:

Octane: no, no mythcomflag needed.

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Pitchin_uk:

also how does myth handle the radio stations on freeview??

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xpis:

Octane: Just a trivial C program to average about 100 samples from the sound card.

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Octane:

xpis and where do i get this beautiful program

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FairWtns:

brb

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xpis:

Octane: You can write it, or I can write it for you.

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Octane:

ill write it

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: it can, with a patch. The dvb radio stuff will prolly be in 0.20 – I think it's in SVN now but I'd have to check the commits

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xpis:

ok, just get 100 or so samples. You'll end up with 8-bit signed numbers.

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timekllr:

anyone here that can give me some pointers on using firewire from a cablebox ?

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myNOOBtv:

afk 5 mins

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timekllr:

i know i'm close...

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xpis:

Then, average these numbers together. If they are greater than THRESHOLD (or less than -THRESHOLD), which you'll have to determine based on your mixer settings, then it's on.

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Silly question: You are running the backend and frontend as mythtv and/or root correct?

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Octane:

xpis i was kidding, im incapable of writing a shell script, let alone a c program

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xpis:

Then, simply return 0 if the device is on, or something nonzero if the device is off.

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xpis:

oh, ok then. I'll write it for you.

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Octane:

you really dont have to

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Octane:

i can use my workaround

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Everything else is looking set up correctly.

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xpis:

Which is what?

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Octane:

set the settopx box turn itself off and then cron it to turn it on

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xpis:

And what if someone turns it on to watch TV?

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Octane:

the idea being that itll always be on

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xpis:

And what if the settob box's timing is wrong... and what happens if it happens to be in the middle of a recording?

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myNOOBtv:

running both as mythtv

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myNOOBtv:

and as root I gave mythtv permissions to my /video folder

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myNOOBtv:

does mythtv user need permissions to /dev?

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:not really, and your perms look correct. It looks like "alias char-major-81-* videodev" is missing from modprobe.conf

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – what channel num is sky 3 supposed to be??

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myNOOBtv:

checking...

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xpis:

Octane: If your box turns itself off every 2 hours, it may be that it turns off in the middle of a recording...

[01:14:30]

xpis:

Octane: It would be best to check for power using your external channel change script. If it is off, then turn it on.

[01:14:33]

FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:To be honest, I have absolutely no idea what that means, but my setup has it, and it seems to be what resolved the problem for the guy in the url I mentioned earlier.

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myNOOBtv:

kk

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Octane:

xpis do you have a c program that does that ready?

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myNOOBtv:

it's not the same as the one I have in the "#ivtv modules"?

[01:15:20]

xpis:

Octane: really, it would be no problem for me to write you a powercheck.c program that you would compile to use in your script.

[01:15:33]

FairWtns:

xpis:On the subject of power...You're not using DPMS by any chance are you?

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: I dunno – your scan shoulda got it right though

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xpis:

FairWtns: no

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FairWtns:

Dang.

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xpis:

FairWtns: I explicitly disable it.

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: sky three is 11

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myNOOBtv:

FairWtns would you be so kind as to put your modprobe.conf in the bin?

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FairWtns:

xpis:Mine works great, but the remote doesn't cause a wakeup. Only the keyboard mouse. This is non-optimal.

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Pitchin_uk:

also ive found the channels im missin xmltvids for – more 4+1, setanta sports, quiz call, 301,302,303, citv and bbci

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xpis:

Octane: I need you to set your mixer settings using alsamixer and send me a sample of your output with the cable box both on and off, so I can determine the THRESHOLD value.

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – thats interesting because it found sky travel as 11

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xpis:

FairWtns: if your remote is supported in the kernel, it will be an input device that will wake up the X display. Being used through lirc, however, you don't have that option.

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: sky3 IS sky travel ;-)

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Octane:

xpis what should i set my alsamixer settings to?

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Pitchin_uk:

ok fair enough – did you see my earlier psot about the missing xmltvids

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: yes did you see my reply? lol

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Ok, but mine is quite long for some reason. http://pastebin.com/584349

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xpis:

Octane: you must mute line in in the playback profile, but make it the default recording device in the recording profile. You must also turn the volume up to maximum.

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myNOOBtv:

thanks, Mate

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FairWtns:

xpis:Hrm. Ok. Well if that is known, I at least know I must explore other options. Perhaps using xset to force a wakeup.

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – this one – im missing xmltvids for – more 4+1, setanta sports, quiz call, 301,302,303, citv and bbci

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: I don't think setanta sports is free

[01:21:52]

Pitchin_uk:

ok i will delete it

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Juski:

city has no xmltvid yet – not sure if more4 does or not

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FairWtns:

myNOOBtv:Unfortunately, I would recommend a reboot after modifying modprobe.conf, as I am uncertain as to when modprobe.conf is actually read and cached.

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Juski:

301,302,303,bbci are interactive streams & won't have xmltv info

[01:22:34]

Juski:

btw Pitchin – just set em to invisible – they'll come back!

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xpis:

Octane: I assume your distribution is using alsactl to save your mixer settings when you reboot.

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Pitchin_uk:

sure thing

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Octane:

xpis yes it does.

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Octane:

you want my amixer state?

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xpis:

Octane: no, I don't need it. Just so that the line in is muted, turned all the way up, and set as the default recording device.

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Octane:

its muted and set at 94% ill change that to 100% but how do i ste it as default?

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xpis:

When you've done that, type the following, without brackets: [cat /dev/dsp > sound.sample.raw] – Then, turn the cable box on and off a few times. Then, hit CTRL+C to stop the process.

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xpis:

Octane: use the tab button in alsamixer

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Octane:

that change sthe view :)

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xpis:

Yes, Then you can use spacebar to trigger your recording devices.

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xpis:

Make sure LINE is selected.

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myNOOBtv:

thanks FairWtns I'll be back after a reboot

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FairWtns:

Well, I'll be here till I pass out.

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Octane:

okay xpis thats done my friend

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Octane:

and stored.

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – whose id is c1972.radiotimes.co.uk

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xpis:

Octane: Good. Now do the audio capture sample.

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Octane:

xpis do i need something connected to the line in

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FairWtns:

Frak. I actually need a book.

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xpis:

Octane: Yes, your cable box's composite video.

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: I dunno.. grep for 1972 in channel_ids

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Octane:

ill use the one i use fr audio now

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Pitchin_uk:

juski – more 4+!

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Octane:

would you mind tell me how i could capture

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Kelerion:

More4 +1

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Kelerion:

damn.. you beat me to it

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Kelerion:

lol

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xpis:

Octane: using the command I gave you.

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Kelerion:

"/usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels" shows it

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hydroksyde:

anyone else with only 3 TV channels using MythTV?

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xpis:

Here it is again... type the following, without brackets: [cat /dev/dsp > sound.sample.raw] – Then, turn the cable box on and off a few times. Then, hit CTRL+C to stop the process.

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Agrajag-:

hydroksyde: i used to have 5, now 7

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hydroksyde:

Agrajag-, ok

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xpis:

The file will be sound.sample.raw, in the directory you type the command in. You can do ~/sound.sample.raw to put it in your home directory.

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hydroksyde:

I only have 3, and the EPG wont display properlu

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hydroksyde:

properly

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jams:

so change the number of channels to display

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jams:

it goes down to 3 so you should be covered

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hydroksyde:

jams, it displays them fine, just doesn't align the channel names with the channel listings on screen

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tate:

question for you gurus, and I suspect it's a common one, I have just installed mythtv and I can't scan for channels. I've got my zapit account setup and I can fill the database, etc.

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jams:

mine is set at 3 at it looks ok to me

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Beirdo:

OK, this should now have it logging its own output :)

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xpis:

Octane: actually, here is a better command you should type...

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Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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FairWtns:

Beirdo! What is up my long-ago friend? How's the wife?

[01:46:30]

Beirdo:

she's not my wife yet

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Beirdo:

is it past May 20? :)

[01:46:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

but not bad at all

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FairWtns:

So shoot me for not being up to date. It's your fault for taking forever to get married. :)

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xpis:

Octane: sox -s -w -r 22050 -c 2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp -s -w -r 22050 -c 2 -t wav soundtest.wav

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

7 month engagement is forever?

[01:47:28]

Beirdo:

it sure feels like it sometimes

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Beirdo:

yeah, things are great :)

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FairWtns:

It's only been that short a time? I remember seeing your announcment on the blog. It seems like an eternity.

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Octane:

xpis okay so i plug in the composite to line in and then run sox and then power on and off a couple of times?

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Beirdo:

we got engaged at the end of October, getting married at the end of May

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Beirdo:

heh

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xpis:

Octane: correct.

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Octane:

congrats Beirdo are you gonan invite chutt

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Beirdo:

We already have a list of 500 people or so, you tryin to kill me? ;)

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Octane:

hahaha

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Octane:

the rents are paying?

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Beirdo:

hers, yes

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Beirdo:

thank GOD

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FairWtns:

500?!

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Beirdo:

huge wedding and all

[01:50:22]

FairWtns:

Jeebus.

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

tell me about it

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FairWtns:

If I never said so before, good luck, and congrats.

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Octane:

dude 500 people thats insanity

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Beirdo:

preachin to the choir, dude

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FairWtns:

Oh yeah, and Octane is correct. This is a comittable type of insanity. :)

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timekllr:

just looking for a quick yes/no – does cablebox firewire carry sound, or just picture ?

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Beirdo:

but if it makes her happy, and it ain't bankrupting us... what do I care?

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FairWtns:

If it ain't hurtin the pocketbook, do whateverTF you want.

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Beirdo:

it hurts her dad's pocketbook, but I begged her to cut the list and she doesn't wanna

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FairWtns:

My girl, however, only *buys* pocketbooks. She's not so good at putting things *in* them.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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timekllr:

anybody ?

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xpis:

Beirdo: Are you providing a full dinner to 500 people?

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** Beirdo nods **

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xpis:

Beirdo: And are you prepared to build a wing to your house to house wedding gifts?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that's the good part of 500 guests

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** Pitchin_uk is off for some sleep **

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Pitchin_uk:

cheers juski

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Grooby:

500 extra hand to build 4 extra wings to the house?!?!

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Grooby:

maybe I should think about that in the future

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Juski:

Pitchin_uk: np fella

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xpis:

Octane: when you are done with the file, send it to me. https://matthewmiddleton.com/guestupload

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Octane:

xpis okay im almost there

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xpis:

Octane: I'll PM you your username and password

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Octane:

uploading it to my box now

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** Juski remembers his wedding. there were about 100 guests & it was paid for out of _his_ (and her) pocket **

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Beirdo:

oh fun

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Beirdo:

OK, two drives drained onto the RAID

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Beirdo:

two more to go

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FairWtns:

I'm saving up for mine. But don't tell the girl. /logbot=off

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Beirdo:

and I think part of the 120G too

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Beirdo:

saving up for the RAID or wedding?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xpis:

Octane has set a record for slowest lan speed. 9.9KBps.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'm actually watching TV without MythTV

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FairWtns:

Well, a RAID would be nice...

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Beirdo:

as I'm moving all the video data in the LVM...

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** FairWtns sets mode to -v Beirdo. **

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Beirdo:

I don't feel like fighting with glitches

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Servo888:

Ok here's my beaf... During 'action' like moving of arms, head, cars, etc; they get kind of blurry... Almost like a dvd where it's only running at 24 fps

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Juski:

Servo888: you need to deinterlace

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Servo888:

It's a pvr 150 lp

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Servo888:

Juski, can I deinterlace directly on the 150?

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Beirdo:

no

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FairWtns:

The word of deinterlacing. Good luck. It's really an output problem.

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Servo888:

or is that post processing

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Beirdo:

it's on playback, not on capture

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Juski:

you've gotta deinterlace on playba.. aak

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Servo888:

hmm.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

pvmove — /dev/hdi1 [PE 302 [video [LE 855]]] -> /dev/sda1 [PE 15995] [303/11922]

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Beirdo:

yeehaw

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FairWtns:

Niiice.

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bobc:

any ideas how I can adjust the color on just one encoder card that is in a separate backend? ivtvctl gets reset with each recording and 'G' affects all recorders

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Beirdo:

setup a RAID5 with 4 * 300G SATA

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Servo888:

do you need such redundency Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

added it to the LVM, now transferring all the data extents over

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Beirdo:

yes

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FairWtns:

Beirdo:Nice job, and you suck. I just finally got my 250GB external with mini-NAS.

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Beirdo:

I don't need a single drive failure to perma-fuck my LVM

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FairWtns:

Yeah, RAID5? Isn't that 300GB total? Just for throughput/redundancy?

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

4 * 300G -> RAID5 = 900G

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Beirdo:

it's (n-1) * capacity of each

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FairWtns:

One for the parity I spose.

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Servo888:

true; I'd rather use the 4x300GB's for storage, and off load what I like to dvd's and such

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Beirdo:

meh

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Beirdo:

I have been on 4 * 200G IDE for a while

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Beirdo:

but if one of them dies, it will basically fux0r the entire LVM

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Servo888:

hehe yah.

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Beirdo:

there are ways to recover maybe, but hell

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FairWtns:

We do a lot of SATA stuff at my work, but I've been too low budget to try it at home. At a minimum, the cabling is a dream.

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Servo888:

I wish mythtv has some sort of smarter way of keeping track of data. Like be able to setup different places to unload data

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Servo888:

had*

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Servo888:

You know it wouldn't be to hard to do... Programming wise.

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Beirdo:

so I bought an Adaptec 2410AS for $350CDN (4-port)

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Servo888:

the only headache is dealing with missing storage.

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Beirdo:

and 4 * 300G Seagate SATA-II :)

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Beirdo:

7200.9 series

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Beirdo:

so that machine currently has... 9 hard drives on it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

4 on a separate power supply

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FairWtns:

My friggin BS in compsci isn't landing me a job, so I have to go for my A+ cert tomorrow. So throughput speeds and connections are whirling in my brain.

[02:08:52]

Beirdo:

and it's still almost silent

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FairWtns:

s/tomorrow/monday.

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FairWtns:

I'm still eyeing up an epia.

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FairWtns:

I have my doubts on getting it to fully function for playback though.

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Beirdo:

so after I'm done transferring... the 120G system drive comes out, one of the 200G will become a new system disk, installing ubuntu

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Beirdo:

it's currently FC1

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** FairWtns idly wonders what happened to the mynoob guy. **

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Beirdo:

then I pop in the 120G as a secondary drive and dd an image over so I can set up all the apps and have the configs from before

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Beirdo:

then pull it back out, and leave just the 200G

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Beirdo:

will keep me busy for a bit

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Beirdo:

well, and the RAID set

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Beirdo:

heh

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FairWtns:

The "engineers" at my work don't understand how you can transfer a linux image using dd. It baffles me. Ghost they get, dd is no go.

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Servo888:

FairWtns, lol yah not a lot of work out there.

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FairWtns:

Servo888:Best bet is to find something and prove yourself.

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xpis:

dd transfers space that isn't in use though.

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Beirdo:

don't care

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Beirdo:

I want an exact image

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xpis:

Using partimage, you only copy data in use.

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xpis:

And it's open source.

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FairWtns:

xpis:My company essentially takes an image and installs it on thousands of computers. If a customer requests linux however, it's all done by hand.

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Beirdo:

so is dd.

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Beirdo:

and I LIKE dd

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Juski:

G4L isn't bad

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Juski:

but it's no faster than DD

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xpis:

Well the engineers would "get" partimage most likely, since it works like ghost.

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FairWtns:

Haven't tried G4L yet.

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xpis:

And partimage is fast.. and the output files don't waste space.

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Beirdo:

meh

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xpis:

(it will output either sparse files, or binary files similar to ghost files.)

[02:15:15]

FairWtns:

I hate when I have people I like, but are horrendously underqualified for what they do. Call me bitter, I don't mind.

[02:15:21]

Beirdo:

it might work for your uses, but I want a full filesystem

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Beirdo:

that requires copying the whole thing

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FairWtns:

I had an argument with our "programming specialist" as to whether the human readable descriptions of "lspci" come from the peripherals themselves or the O/S.

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FairWtns:

Eventually I just sighed and went back to work muttering to myself.

[02:16:47]

phar0e:

Hellloooooooooooo

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dtm:

FairWtns: :-o

[02:18:01]

FairWtns:

dtm:My sentiments exactly. Is was moot to the discussion at hand, but when she demanded I was wrong I was like, 'whatever you want, I've got actual work to do'.

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dtm:

lol

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xpis:

Beirdo: partimage copies the whole filesystem. Minus areas of the disk that are not in use. The resulting sparse file can be mounted just like a dd image. It just doesn't take up as much room.

[02:19:06]

Beirdo:

then it's not the full filesystem

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Beirdo:

it will work as a read-only filesystem

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Beirdo:

but if you try writing...

[02:20:31]

Beirdo:

even if it doesn't WRITE all the bytes in the filesystem, it either has to reserve it (and hence uses as much room), or the filesystem will fuck up when you write new stuff

[02:21:15]

Beirdo:

anyways, you do what you want for imaging, that's not what I'm doing anyways :)

[02:21:57]

Juski:

had to image a couple of HDDs the other week from this unit: www.juski.co.uk/images/melted.jpg

[02:22:01]

xpis:

Actually, you CAN write to a sparse file. It will just get bigger.

[02:22:12]

Juski:

oops: http://www.juski.co.uk/melted.jpg

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xpis:

You can mount a sparse image readwrite and add files to it.

[02:22:35]

FairWtns:

Beirdo:Not fighting you on it. Whatever works. You're the one who walked me through my dd'ing to upgrade to a large drive back when you were unengaged. :)

[02:22:40]

Beirdo:

nice one, Juski

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Juski:

a little bit fire-damaged :-)

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[02:23:05]

** FairWtns sways a bit. **

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Kelerion:

what are all those buttons on it for?

[02:23:21]

FairWtns:

I need a bit more beer.

[02:23:25]

Juski:

for erm.. pressing

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xpis:

Juski: What kind of a box is that?

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Kelerion:

lol

[02:23:38]

Juski:

xpis: a CCTV DVR

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Juski:

a proper one

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Kelerion:

ahh

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Juski:

runs our own RTOS, secure TCP stack, encrypts & signs every frame of video

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Kelerion:

that must have been a helluva fire

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Beirdo:

anyways, xpis... I'm not looking to save space. I'm looking to be absolutely sure I got all the data

[02:24:45]

FairWtns:

I 'spose I'll try again. Anyone using DPMS? I'm looking specifically for a good way to wakeup from DPMS standby/off with a remote.

[02:24:56]

Beirdo:

a partition -> partition dd has no need for sparse files :)

[02:25:20]

Beirdo:

if I wanted to save space, I'd rsync the data off

[02:26:28]

FairWtns:

I'd love to remove my vids and redo my /video partition to anythin but reiser. No idea WTF I was thinking w/that.

[02:26:42]

FairWtns:

Hrm...

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mchou:

hahah!!!

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Beirdo:

reiser?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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FairWtns:

I read something, somewhere, way back when.

[02:27:25]

Beirdo:

xfs :)

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FairWtns:

It was wrong, obviously.

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Beirdo:

maybe jfs

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FairWtns:

I used xfs on my Mythbox v3 for the girl, it's ridiculous how much faster deletes are. God knows what else.

[02:28:36]

Beirdo:

just don't let it get above about 95% full

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Beirdo:

it gets wonky sometimes if you do

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Beirdo:

in my experience

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FairWtns:

It's wonky pretty much all the time. It's around 85% at any given time. 90%+ often.

[02:29:27]

Beirdo:

I meant xfs :)

[02:29:36]

Beirdo:

and put in more disk or delete more crap :)

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mchou:

Beirdo: you have your drives on a separate PSU?

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Beirdo:

for staging, yes

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** FairWtns wonders if he can offload data to his new NAS....(xfer using smbfs + 11b?) Hrm.. **

[02:30:00]

Beirdo:

I'm not putting 9 drives on the PSU

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Beirdo:

you nuts?

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mchou:

FairWtns: haha!!

[02:30:51]

mchou:

11b will take forever

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mchou:

why not just use wired

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mchou:

more reliable too

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FairWtns:

What's that laugh #3 at my expense? I'm starting to feel inadequate.

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Beirdo:

FairWtns, you have a lot of catching up to do on that.

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FairWtns:

mchou:Location. It's quite difficult to relocate the entire box at this point.

[02:31:58]

mchou:

FairWtns: huh??

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Beirdo:

should relocate outta Jersey then :)

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mchou:

bring the nas over to the box

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mchou:

not the other way around, fool

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mchou:

:)

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Beirdo:

take it easy, mchou :)

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FairWtns:

Beirdo:You remembered? Warms my heart. :) Yeah, gotta move the girl too.

[02:32:54]

FairWtns:

He's right though, temporarily move the NAS....

[02:32:58]

Beirdo:

can't move the girl outta Jersey?

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Beirdo:

awww

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Juski:

Jersey? it's very perochial & inbred on that tiny land mass between England & France, so I hear

[02:34:00]

FairWtns:

She has panic attacks, and is recovering from anorexia. Makes life interesting and quite a bit difficult at times. Can't help but love her though.

[02:34:02]

Beirdo:

no, NEW Jersey, you silly Brit :)

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Beirdo:

eeek

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mchou:

there aint no inbreeding in Jersey

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Juski:

I gathered – I was just being arsey

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Beirdo:

that's just a bit rough there FairWtns

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mchou:

Sopranos live there

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mchou:

:)

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Beirdo:

yeah, but that's Newark

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mchou:

dont make Tony bust a cap in yo ass

[02:34:39]

Beirdo:

Newark sucks

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FairWtns:

I'm italian, and we'll say not too far removed from Tony, and I still don't go to fuggin Newark. Or Camden.

[02:35:21]

Beirdo:

or Elizabeth?

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Beirdo:

which is practically Newark, I realize :)

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mchou:

FairWtns: tony dont live any of thosse places

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Beirdo:

mchou, you on crack?

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Beirdo:

The Sopranos is set in Newark

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mchou:

I dont know any houses with pools in Newark

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FairWtns:

Oh. The *town*. The gf's name is Elizabeth. :) Confused the hell outta me. No, don't go there either.. If I want seedy, I'll go off the streets of Atlantic City. At least I can wander back to gambling if need be.

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Beirdo:

the house is not IN the town, but the rest is

[02:37:07]

Beirdo:

FairWtns, oh. hehe, sorry

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mchou:

Beirdo: maybe bada bin is in Newark, but his house aint

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Beirdo:

you'd better go to her once in a while

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FairWtns:

Yeah, she's not far. Maybe a 20 min drive at best.

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mchou:

there are only turnpikes in NJ

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Beirdo:

uh huh

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phar0e:

NJ would definately be one of my top 30 places to live in the united states

[02:39:59]

FairWtns:

My bash skills are rusty to say the least.

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Beirdo:

it's be in my top 50

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Beirdo:

it'd even

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FairWtns:

I can probably think of 49 other places I'd rather be. Not to knock NJ, I was born here, but I've had enough.

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Beirdo:

you need a change

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FairWtns:

Most definetly.

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FairWtns:

Speaking of which, I gotta go grab some milk at the store. Back in a few.

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bzbb:

If you have DMA on, and video is still choppy, and audio is constantly dropping out, what do you?

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mchou:

FairWtns: say hi to tony for me :)

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mchou:

bzbb: buy a better computer?

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bzbb:

its a xp2200+ with 1 gig of ram

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bzbb:

it should be fast enough

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mchou:

not for hdtv :)

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bzbb:

it don't have hdtv

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phar0e:

anyone here use channel icons?

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xris:

phar0e: some, yes.

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phar0e:

mr. chris :D

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jnunez:

Has anyone exprience any issues with IVTV when the system goes to sleep?

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phar0e:

xris: you know how in mythweb there is a delete and delete+rerecord option under recordings?

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atomjack:

i'm having trouble setting up ivtv (following jarod's FC guide) – when i run "ivtvctl -u 0x4000" it says "not an ivtv driver device". what gives?

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ElevenBravo:

has anyone been able to install mythtv on centos 4.2?

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jnunez:

My PC will not change channels and on a restart it thinks that my 150 is a PVR 250

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xris:

phar0e: yes

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FairWtns:

sorta bak

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tate:

question for you gurus, and I suspect it's a common one, I have just installed mythtv and I can't scan for channels. I've got my zapit account setup and I can fill the database, etc.

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topping:

hi gang, ot: anyone have leads on a mp3 player for a component stereo? something with a little display that i can put on the audio port

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topping:

i want to be able to play audio and movies at the same time, but only have one display for controlling things

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dansushi:

what is the command for the frontend of MythTV?

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Calroth:

uh, mythfrontend?

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dansushi:

i doesn't work for me

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dansushi:

bash: mythfrontend: command not found

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Calroth:

well, where is it installed?

[03:09:04]

dansushi:

where would it normally be installed?

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dansushi:

i didn't secify anthing different

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dansushi:

i used urpmi

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Kelerion:

bedtime

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FairWtns:

dansushi: "find / | grep mythfrontend" OR if everything's kosher "locate mythfrontend"

[03:12:01]

FairWtns:

or even "find / -iname *mythfront*"

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FairWtns:

topping:If you have a remote and use LIRC, you can send seperate buttons to seperate applications. Of course, you're halving the amount of buttons available to either program.

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topping:

ahhhhh very good point

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Beirdo:

that took a bit :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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bobbyz:

hello, I was interested in trying to install only the mythfrontend portion of mythtv on my laptop (as per gentoo's mythfrontend use flag), so that I can watch my mythtv recordgins from my desktop over the network on my laptop

[03:18:28]

FairWtns:

wireless ps2 keyboard:Easy to set up, no drivers needed. However, when I "learned" the keys on a universal remote, the remote is slow and sometimes "crashes", forcing me to take the batteries out to, errr, reboot it.

[03:18:29]

bobbyz:

I was just curious if there are any guides on doing this posted anywhere? I understand from the ebuild's message that this isn't necessarily supported, and I won't complain if it oesn't work, but I was hoping to find instructions on how to try it

[03:19:28]

FairWtns:

defi:LIRC works fantastic with my built in remote for the PV250, but it was bitch to set up and I shiver when I need to update any software.

[03:19:42]

FairWtns:

Beirdo:Quite. :)

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topping:

too bad there's no MythPSPRemote

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Beirdo:

it was reindexing tables

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defi:

FairWtns is the functionality the same, or is one more feature-full?

[03:21:35]

wwalker:

I just installed. FC4. From atrpms. Looks pretty good been through all 9.6 million config screens. When I hit Watch TV, I get: http://pastebin.ca/44526

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FairWtns:

defi:They are functionally equivalent. One has more buttons than the other, but it all depends on which remote you buy either way.

[03:22:45]

defi:

FairWtns so basically only difference is setup?

[03:23:03]

FairWtns:

bobbyz: I thought I remember the old guide covering this. It's really a matter of allowing mysql to allow remote connections, and setting up the frontend to use the right backend IP.

[03:23:17]

FairWtns:

defi:Setup and maintenance yeah.

[03:24:13]

FairWtns:

The universal remote I have is "slower". Ie when I press "down" I scroll through one title per second vs 3–4 with the built-in. It's a cheap remote though, so perhaps if you have a different remote this could vary.

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defi:

FairWtns ok, I think im going that route

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FairWtns:

topping: That would be about the only useful thing I do with my PSP. I'm sure you could set up a quick webpage which sends telnet commands to Myth's new port however. And use the PSP browser to connect.

[03:25:54]

defi:

one last question if you don't mind...

[03:26:36]

defi:

can you program the remote to take you directly to the music, or video screens?

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FairWtns:

Sure, I'm quite the chatty b8888 today apparently.

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xanderp:

anybody here got [CC] working off the pvr250/350's ? I saw that ver 19 is supposed to work now, but I am getting an error in my mythbackend.log file "vbi: invalid argument"

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FairWtns:

defi:Yep, they're called "jump points" and can be configured via MythWeb (on a per-key basis). I've never personally used them, however.

[03:27:07]

topping:

FairWtns: I'd like to be able to preview movies and queue them

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defi:

through mythweb, thats odd..

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topping:

FairWtns: or be able to queue music without turning on a display

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defi:

lol

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FairWtns:

xanderp:Mine just works. I was thrilled. I have absolutely no clue as to how or why though. I spent months trying to get vbi working in .18 to no avail.

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defi:

I was thinking of mythbrowser

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xanderp:

FairWtns: Crap... what distro you on? (Gentoo here)

[03:30:35]

FairWtns:

topping:Sounds a bit out of scope. Possible, but beyond mythtv itself.

[03:30:35]

FairWtns:

xanderp:Gentoo also, as Beirdo will likely scorn me for. :)

[03:30:35]

xanderp:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

heh

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topping:

FairWtns: to me, it's about a media switchboard

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Beirdo:

Gentoo sucks. just ask Cardoe

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Octane:

anyone here still running fc3?

[03:30:35]

bio_:

hm, just got mythtv working, but picture is quite crappy. tried around with deinterlacing but still not satisfactory. should i be able to get the same full-screen result as with tvtime or is it due to the pre-recording and mpeg-encoding?

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xanderp:

if you to a mythtv-setup can you edit the vbi device for your pvr card? my option for it is gone in this release

[03:30:35]

FairWtns:

hehe. I'd love to ask Cardoe. He was the one guy who helped me install waaaay back when.

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Beirdo:

heh. well he is here a lot... likely off busy right now :)

[03:32:51]

FairWtns:

xanderp:Nooo idea unfortunately.

[03:33:22]

FairWtns:

I no it won't work on my girlfriends pvr150 at all. Apparently not supported. Maybe certain 250's as well?

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xanderp:

odd...

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FairWtns:

Alright, sleepy time for me tonight. Hopefully studying tomorrow. Hopefully be back tommorrow. Beirdo:Have a good one. :)

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Beirdo:

seeya

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phar0e:

I need to sign up for the wiki

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phar0e:

ok finished

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narf:

ok I have xvmc working but I am getting a "NVP: prebuffering pause" every few seconds, are there workarounds for this?

[03:51:42]

narf:

it seems to work fine in knoppmyth

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phar0e:

what version of mythtv?

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narf:

0.19

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phar0e:

hmm unsure

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narf:

nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178-r3

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narf:

er

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narf:

not that one

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narf:

this one nvidia-glx-1.0.7174-r5

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phar0e:

xvmc worked fine until I upgraded mobo/mem/cpu from a 1GHz to 1.6GHz and now it's choppy, go figure

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narf:

well like I said it works smoothly in knoppmyth on the exact same hardware

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Juski:

narf – downgrade your nvidia driver to 7667 – later versions are buggy & will eat CPU cycles

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wwalker:

I just installed. FC4. From atrpms. Looks pretty good been through all 9.6 million config screens. When I hit Watch TV, I get: http://pastebin.ca/44526

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Juski:

aaaand it's sleep time for me.. night all

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Beirdo:

wuss :)

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Beirdo:

night, Juski

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firefly2442:

hey, can someone explain where the information is stored in the database for commercial skipping

[04:07:06]

Beirdo:

recordedmarkup

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Beirdo:

or something like that

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firefly2442:

ok, I'm looking at it right now

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firefly2442:

so it has the channel ID, start-time

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firefly2442:

what's the difference between mark and offset?

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firefly2442:

mark being the starting point?

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narf:

Juski: i am using nvidia-glx-1.0.7174-r5 and nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174-r2 as stated above

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Beirdo:

you'd have to read the code to be sure

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narf:

ah he went to bed

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Beirdo:

I think mark is the frame number, offset a byte offset, but not sure

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Beirdo:

it's been a while

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firefly2442:

ok thanks, I'll check out the wiki some more, maybe it has some more info

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Beirdo:

no prob

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_bobbyz:

my gosh...I had absolutely no idea how powerful mythtv really is. I give a tip of the hat to everyone who works on mythtv...what an AWESOME program!

[04:22:19]

_bobbyz:

I'm sitting here able to control recordings via mythweb from *anywhere*, and watch recordings anywhere on my LAN thanks to the separation of mythbackend from mythfrontend

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_bobbyz:

I can't even believe it

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_bobbyz:

I mean I never imagined I'd be able to use my laptop as a wireless TV when I want to

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_bobbyz:

thanks mythtv guys! :)

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feld:

hey guys

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feld:

I'm tired of the instability i've had lately so I'm gonna see if another distro solves it

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feld:

i'm 99% done installing but I now have a problem

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feld:

there's no sound on the current livetv

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feld:

dmesg shows that I have a problem inserting cxx* modules

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feld:

what's the deal? I see stuff when I google but no solutions yet. :(

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Beirdo:

OK, onto the 4th drive to move :)

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timekllr:

anyone here using myth with firewire capture ?

[05:14:30]

dansushi:

i'd like to

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timekllr:

i'm havng a problem where myth/test-mpeg2 doesn't get video on the first shot

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timekllr:

takes a couple times to actually get tv

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timekllr:

worried that something is not going to record because of it

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Beirdo:

!seen Eszenia

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MythLogBot:

Eszenia was last seen 37 days 11 hours 33 minutes 23 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

ahhh :)

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Beirdo:

hhee

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Cardoe:

Beirdo: I didn't do it

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

fun stuff

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Beirdo:

about 1/3 through pvmove from the 4th 200G drive

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rf:

Hi, anyone using a twinhan dvb card? I am trying to get the remote working and am having trouble.

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narf:

per this thread it seems xvmc doesn't work on 0.19 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . tter;#185549

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narf:

i hate downgrading

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xris:

join #mythtvlog

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phar0e:

ooo narf, that sucks man

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phiw:

hey all

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phiw:

anyone know the best way to use a gaming console through myth?

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topping:

phiw: it's hard with mplayer in the path

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phiw:

?

[05:56:47]

topping:

myth uses mplayer

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phiw:

eep

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Chutt:

it does?

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topping:

are you talking about plugging your console into a video in on the myth box?

[05:57:13]

phiw:

yeah

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phiw:

i don't have a tv ;)

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topping:

it's never worked for me

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phiw:

durn

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phiw:

i could use tvtime, but...

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Chutt:

topping, since when does myth use mplayer?

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topping:

ok what slows it down then?

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Chutt:

the fact that it's recording?

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topping:

same difference

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Chutt:

uh, no.

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topping:

oh ok

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phiw:

i've wondered that before; what does myth technically use? just its own display app?

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Chutt:

yes.

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topping:

the point being you don't have a straight through path, regardless of the details

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topping:

and that path is not good enough for gaming

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Chutt:

of course, but stating complete bullshit as fact isn't helping anyone.

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phiw:

i had been wondering that too; a second lag would be death :

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topping:

whatever

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Octane:

lol

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phiw:

so then, is there no unbuffered display mode in myth?

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Chutt:

no.

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phiw:

so it is still impossible to do perfect gaming even in principle

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Chutt:

why would you use myth for that?

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phiw:

cause i don't have a tv, and i'm too lazy/stupid to figure out how to make the whole setup remote-controllable without doing it all in myth :P

[06:02:01]

adante:

say, when did the myth ebuilds start using a 'mythtv' user?

[06:02:52]

topping:

phiw: clearly you aren't the only stupid one, i'm glad i'm not alone ;-)

[06:04:07]

GreyFoxx:

If you really wanted to use a game console through myth use a bttv card, add a menu item to launch xawtv or something and play the game through that

[06:04:47]

phiw:

that makes sense, then i'd just need to map the "back" button in xaw/tvtime

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phiw:

how hard is it to add a new menu item in myth?

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GreyFoxx:

simple as editing a text file

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phiw:

awesome

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phiw:

there would still be a catch, though, in that myth wouldn't warn about upcoming conflicts with another input?

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GreyFoxx:

You have 2 options, 1 never tell myth about the bttv card

[06:08:35]

GreyFoxx:

or 2, add the option to the menu to inform myth that this card is unavailabnle until the app it's spawning closes

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_bobbyz:

is there currently any way to donate money to mythtv development?

[06:09:21]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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bobbyz:

hmmm...okay, well I was just gonna say I'd be willing to donate some money (not a whole lot because I'm a college student) because I really, really love the program! :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Beirdo:

donate it to the bobbyz hardware fund :)

[06:13:01]

bobbyz:

lol, you guys are just too cool

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bobbyz:

:)

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** GreyFoxx goes to bed **

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bobbyz:

sleep well

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Mersault:

I'm looking to set up auto-transcoding of some of my favourite shows, and I don't know whether to use MPEG-4 or RTjpeg. I'm using a PVR150 as my video source. Anyone have any suggestions or more info?

[07:29:10]

phar0e:

well depends what you're trying to accomplish, mpeg4 would use mess less disk space

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Mersault:

I'm looking to keep these copies around for a long time. The shows I'm most interested in are ones that aren't likely to see a dvd release anytime soon

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phar0e:

well from my experience and understanding rtjpeg uses very little CPU to encode and is great for liveTV and recordings

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Mersault:

so, it would be nice if the format would be playable on a number of different sources. to make an analogy to audio, I'd rather have an mp3 than an ogg file, even if the one is technically superior to the other, I can't play ogg all the places I can play an mp3

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phar0e:

but most people would then use mpeg4 to archive their recordings, it saves space and can sometimes clean up the video use high quality encoding settings

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Mersault:

I don't mind cpu time. it's not a fast machine, but it only sees any real use from about 5:00 to maybe 2:00 each day, leaving many hours for transcoding to happen

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phar0e:

well if you transcode to an mpeg4 it'll still be in a nuppelvideo format, there are drivers for windows that would allow you to play them

[07:35:33]

phar0e:

but it's not really universal as if you'd use say nuvexport to take an rtjpeg recording and export it to xvid or divx

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Mersault:

now, perhaps I'm ignorant, but isn't mpeg4 a spec of sorts, and lots of different codecs can support the spec (and be uncompressed and played by common players), but have different implementations and thus some should be better than others?

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phar0e:

well I'm not an expert either, but yeah there are standards, mpeg2, mpeg4, etc and then different codecs used

[07:40:17]

phar0e:

I could be wrong but when you transcode with mythtv to mpeg4 it uses the divx codec

[07:40:31]

phar0e:

or atleast that's the type of mpeg4 file my players show them as

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Mersault:

alright, terrific. I was planning to use either xvid or divx to encode my files.

[07:42:29]

Mersault:

so, does anyone use this setup (or similar), and what settings have you found to be sane and decent?

[07:42:45]

Mersault:

also, when it transcodes it, will it also remove the commercials automatically?

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phar0e:

it won't remove the commercials automatically

[07:55:03]

phar0e:

it should flag the commercials, but you have to edit it and load the cutlists

[07:55:19]

phar0e:

I find you usually have to adjust them a bit depending on what channel/program it is you recorded

[07:55:52]

phar0e:

you should always check to make sure you don't cut out any part of the program, the mythcommflag program isn't perfect, depends on a lot of variables

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Mersault:

what are some sane auto-transcoding settings for mpeg4?

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phar0e:

the developers set up the defaults to be pretty decent

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phar0e:

I'd recommend testing with the default and then seeing if it's good for you or not

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Mersault:

hmm... I don't think this transcoding feature is quite what I'm looking for exactly. I think what I want is some niftyness with nuvexport and cron

[08:02:29]

Calroth:

i have my own transcode script that crunches shows down for use on my palm

[08:02:36]

Calroth:

uses mencoder, and runs as a user job

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Mersault:

have people been doing neat things with scripting nuvexport? and if so, is there a site that people have collected these at? it seems like you could do a lot with it

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Calroth:

i've never used nuvexport myself, but mplayer/mencoder has always been able to decode my .nuv files

[08:05:08]

Calroth:

although they are mpeg-2 streams from DVB, not your PVR-150 streams

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Mersault:

I'm recording a couple of shows that are syndicated and airing in order every night, but they aren't likely to come out on dvd, so I want to collect them into a catalogue by season. How difficult is it going to be to get a script of some sort that can determine when I have a complete season and export them to Xvid or whatever?

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Calroth:

if you don't use the built-in transcoder, you can set up your own transcoder as a user job

[08:08:05]

Calroth:

and have it run every time your show is recorded, putting the output in a custom directory

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Calroth:

then every so often, you check the directory, and archive what you like

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monkeypet:

hi all. anyone up to anything interesting today?

[08:09:02]

phar0e:

i'm hoping my cable company doesn't f up their NBC HD stream to me tonight while i'm recording

[08:09:31]

monkeypet:

ha, I am doing some frontend installs on xbox.

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phar0e:

cool

[08:10:13]

phar0e:

I'm actually editing out some clips from some of my shows I like and I'm uploading them to google video to share with friends and family

[08:10:18]

monkeypet:

I had it working for 0.18 then f*** it up for 0.19, so now I need to restall some stuff.

[08:10:19]

phar0e:

wonder if they'll get rejected

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Gumby:

runnnig FC4 here and just followed the howto for installing on fedora @ http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php. cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg fails to produce anything but a 0 byte file. anyone have any suggestions?

[08:12:37]

monkeypet:

Gumby: what setup?

[08:12:54]

Gumby:

monkeypet: pvr150 us the only tuner in the box

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Gumby:

2.6.15–1.1831_FC4

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Gumby:

thats the kernel I am using

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Gumby:

um, anything else?

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Gumby:

odd thing is, it worked the first time I tried it but not after

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xris:

Gumby: did you update ivtv when you updated the kernel?

[08:17:22]

Gumby:

xris: nope, because the kernel update was done first :)

[08:17:38]

xris:

you need the ivtv package to match the current kernel

[08:18:34]

Gumby:

here is the output of dmesg |grep ivtv

[08:18:36]

Gumby:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/0FUGFn97.html

[08:18:59]

Gumby:

xris: yes, I checked that the versions matched.

[08:19:15]

monkeypet:

ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0xc008561c!

[08:19:18]

monkeypet:

what are these?

[08:19:52]

Gumby:

not sure. I have never seen them before other than now

[08:20:35]

monkeypet:

ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.15–1.1833_FC4smp SMP 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-4.0

[08:20:41]

monkeypet:

you are running 1833?

[08:20:57]

Gumby:

hrmm....

[08:21:56]

Gumby:

oh, lol. the uname -r I pasted from before was from this box not the mythbox.

[08:22:02]

Gumby:

yes, the mythbox is running 1833

[08:22:13]

Gumby:

had me confused for a second there

[08:22:59]

Gumby:

hrm, my home pc I am running 2.6.14–1.1656_FC4. Maybe I'll try the SMP version of that here

[08:23:31]

monkeypet:

I am running 1833 fine on PVR350

[08:23:59]

Gumby:

which ivtv drivers did you use?

[08:24:14]

monkeypet:

Same as yours.

[08:24:16]

Gumby:

wilson.net or compile from ivtvdriver.org?

[08:24:16]

monkeypet:

ivtv0: Autodetected WinTV PVR 250 card (cx23416 based)

[08:24:18]

Gumby:

hrm

[08:24:29]

monkeypet:

from atrpms

[08:24:50]

Gumby:

ah yes. that is wrong. I have a pvr150

[08:25:09]

monkeypet:

did you install things from atrpms or recompiled them?

[08:25:34]

Gumby:

atrpms

[08:25:49]

monkeypet:

what changed from when it worked.

[08:25:50]

Gumby:

Ive done nothing more than follow the wilson.net howto

[08:26:20]

Gumby:

well, the only thing I can think of is I changed the video card I am using for output to monitor

[08:26:52]

xris:

Gumby: that shouldn't matter

[08:27:13]

Gumby:

I wouldnt think so either.

[08:27:18]

Gumby:

but thats all I can think of that has changed

[08:27:35]

monkeypet:

ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0x8004646b!

[08:27:47]

monkeypet:

that bothers me, did you search the ivtv mailing list?

[08:28:16]

Gumby:

no, I did do a google search. it didnt seem to turn up much with the exact string

[08:29:04]

Gumby:

monkeypet: it would cause errors that it thinks its a pvr250 and not 150 wouldnt it?

[08:29:44]

monkeypet:

monkeypet: I have no idea...

[08:30:05]

Gumby:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/27949 <---- no response to that post

[08:31:00]

monkeypet:

His is different:

[08:31:01]

monkeypet:

Feb 7 19:44:49 localhost kernel: ivtv0: Error -19 reading Hauppauge eeprom.

[08:31:01]

monkeypet:

Feb 7 19:44:49 localhost kernel: ivtv0: Possible causes: the tveeprom

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monkeypet:

module was not loaded, or

[08:31:01]

monkeypet:

Feb 7 19:44:49 localhost kernel: ivtv0: the eeprom kernel module was

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monkeypet:

loaded before the tveeprom module.

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mchou:

Gumby: it would help if you read the darn disgnostic messages

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mchou:

diagnostic*

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Gumby:

mchou: reading and understanding are two different things. I am doing my best to decipher here. gimme a freakin break

[08:32:00]

mchou:

problem #1: Feb 7 19:44:49 localhost kernel: ivtv0: Unknown card: vendor/device:

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mchou:

4444/0016

[08:32:57]

mchou:

the fact that the pci vendoe/device aint recognized out to tip you off

[08:32:59]

Gumby:

mchou: uhh, I dont see that in my dmesg output

[08:33:27]

Gumby:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/0FUGFn97.html

[08:33:46]

mchou:

I didn't say that was in your dmesg

[08:33:55]

mchou:

[00:30:06] <Gumby> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/27949 <---- no response to that post

[08:34:12]

mchou:

that's the post I'm talking about

[08:34:30]

Gumby:

then respond to that post. dont complain to me about it

[08:34:52]

Gumby:

thats just one of many that seem to have gone either unanswered or unsolved

[08:34:59]

mchou:

Gumby: you're the dude who bought it up

[08:35:52]

** mishehu bahs. **

[08:35:57]

Gumby:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/28009

[08:36:03]

Gumby:

ok, there is a better example. happy?

[08:36:26]

mchou:

Gumby: this aint the ivtv channel

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phar0e:

man... F timewarner

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monkeypet:

Any one still awake? lol.

[09:39:08]

meushi:

or already awake

[09:42:04]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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** SlicerDicer- hugs Cardoe http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?nuvexport-0.2_pre20060118 **

[09:42:50]

SlicerDicer-:

thank you thank you thank you!!!

[09:45:06]

monkeypet:

does nuvexport do ipod yet?

[09:47:20]

phar0e:

monkeypet: check users mailing lists, they just posted about that a few hours ago

[10:11:54]

Gumby:

monkeypet: well, Ive figured something out at least. I went and compiled ivtv0.4.3 on my 2.6.11–1.1369_FC4smp and all went well. I do the same on 2.6.15–1.1833_FC4smp and I get those i2c errors when loading the ivtv module

[10:12:43]

monkeypet:

Gumby: I remember reading something on the mailing list about some strangeness, but can't recall the details.

[10:13:33]

Gumby:

oh well. I am ok with using an older kernel as long as everything works.

[10:14:07]

monkeypet:

Gumby: great to hear that and you should post your results for others..

[10:14:27]

Gumby:

allthough I think I'll have to compile nvidia drivers now instead of installing via yum. I dont see any smp kernels in yumex in between 2.6.11 and 2.6.15

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monkeypet:

Gumby: I hate package management in that regards... need to try gentoo.

[10:16:09]

Gumby:

gentoo is ok. I dont care for its package management.

[10:16:12]

monkeypet:

At least my xbox frontends are coming along nicely.

[10:16:29]

Gumby:

its ok for installing software. But for removing its not so nice

[10:19:15]

UBL:

gumby

[10:19:24]

Gumby:

UBL?

[10:19:27]

UBL:

i think its cause your kernel uses 4k stacks

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Gumby:

could be.

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monkeypet:

something wrong with 4k stacks?

[10:21:37]

UBL:

for ivtv i think

[10:22:18]

monkeypet:

i am using it fine for my setup with ivtv.

[10:23:16]

Gumby:

smp?

[10:23:50]

monkeypet:

No, not smp... just stock fedora kernel.

[10:24:08]

Gumby:

smp can be a stock fedora kernel

[10:24:32]

monkeypet:

[fa@mythtv cromwell-2.40]$ uname -a

[10:24:32]

monkeypet:

Linux mythtv.yoeu.net 2.6.15–1.1833_FC4 #1 Wed Mar 1 23:41:37 EST 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

[10:24:32]

monkeypet:

[fa@mythtv cromwell-2.40]$

[10:27:51]

Gumby:

ahh, I think I just found more info on the problem....

[10:28:25]

Gumby:

modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting saa7115 (/lib/modules/2.6.15–1.1833_FC4smp/ivtv/saa7115.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[10:30:26]

Gumby:

monkeypet: ivtv 0.4.2 or 0.4.3 ?

[10:31:16]

monkeypet:

ivtv-kmdl-2.6.15–1.1833_FC4–0.4.3–103.rhfc4.at

[10:31:56]

Gumby:

can you paste me the info of modinfo saa7115

[10:32:11]

Gumby:

not sure if it'll tell me anything, I'm just curious

[10:41:52]

Juski:

another wide theme slithers out out of a bitmap editor... mythcenter http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/184257

[10:42:14]

monkeypet:

Gumby, you get my paste?

[10:42:46]

Gumby:

monkeypet: no, I didnt. Forgot about freenodes policies. Cant you just hit a pastebin?

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Juski:

Gumby it's not only freenode policies – it's generally considered bad IRC etiquette to flood ;-)

[10:44:40]

gabrielg:

oh, someone awake :) cool, then let me ask a question

[10:44:45]

Gumby:

Juski: naw, I meant frenodes user flags for sending/receiving pastes. I did request the paste in the first place :)

[10:45:01]

gabrielg:

i'm playing with mvpmc (just bought a MediaMVP)

[10:45:27]

Juski:

Gumby: ahh

[10:46:01]

Juski:

gabrielg: not many people in here use them. How's it going with that? I'm considering getting one

[10:46:36]

gabrielg:

i'm using mencoder to transcode to mpeg2 and mpeg1, and mvpmc plays the movies fine – to start

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Gumby:

hrm, ok. how about this issue....

[10:47:00]

Gumby:

FATAL: Error inserting saa7115 (/lib/modules/2.6.15–1.1833_FC4smp/ivtv/saa7115.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[10:47:14]

gabrielg:

after watching a while i noticed some video corruption. something like if you jump directly to a b-frame and not to a i-frame

[10:47:18]

Gumby:

relevent dmesg info is "saa7115: Unknown symbol i2c_adapter_id"

[10:48:05]

gabrielg:

my question is: does anyone has a tip for mencoder options that makes mpeg1 or 2 that's 100% compatible with the mediamvp?

[10:48:07]

Juski:

gabrielg: interesting. maybe it's got more to do with mencoder doing a quick & dirty encode (if indeed that's what it's doing)

[10:49:12]

gabrielg:

Juski: it was a breez to get it going, and it's very nice to be able to watch stuff without having to buy a complete separate box, or fiddeling with (bad quality) tv-out on my main box

[10:49:25]

gabrielg:

Juski: yeah, that might very well be so

[10:49:33]

Juski:

gabrielg: transcoding on the fly is always tricky for the receiving end. Can you play the output on another machine?

[10:50:05]

gabrielg:

Juski: i would say, if i get the transcoding sorted out it was certainly worht the money

[10:50:20]

gabrielg:

Juski: i'm transcoding to a new file and playing it off of nfs

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gabrielg:

but i guess mencoder can still use some shortcuts

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Juski:

gabrielg: OMG that's determination for you

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gabrielg:

Juski: :) if i get the right options i

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gabrielg:

i'll try to get some streaming going

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Juski:

gabrielg: there's a cable/sat box which plays back mpeg1 & 2 over network streams as well as the 'proper' methods – folks use VLC to re-encode on the fly

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Juski:

apparently it works really well

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gabrielg:

is that Dreambox?

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Juski:

gabrielg: yeh

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gabrielg:

cool, a guy at work has one

[10:53:25]

gabrielg:

there's still one mpeg1 encoder that i haven't tried with mencoder. perhaps i'll try vlc after that

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Juski:

gabrielg: if you play back the files in a _strict_ mpeg2 player are they okay? you have to remember the hardware decoder of the MVP probably expects a pristine stream

[10:53:46]

gabrielg:

i guess i'll be getting myself a Dreambox or something like it in the future

[10:54:07]

gabrielg:

Juski: true, testing with mplayer doesn't say very much :) it will eat anything

[10:55:04]

gabrielg:

Sweden is shutting down the analogue television transmissions during the next years, so i have to get some type of set top box anyway.. and the Dreambox sounds neet

[10:55:31]

Juski:

gabrielg: have a look at the channel logs for last week – peeps are starting to play with the MSNTV boxen ;-) They've been hacked & now can run Linux

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gabrielg:

:) cool

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gabrielg:

i'll do that

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Juski:

gabrielg: you mind if I aska few questions about setting up the MVP?

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AndyCap:

gabrielg: neat enough, but can you get a CAM for the dvb-t transmissons?

[10:56:44]

Juski:

AndyCao: a lot of DVB-t is unencrypted so won't need a CAM

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gabrielg:

Juski: sure, tho i'm no expert since i got it going right away basically :)

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Juski:

firstly, are there binaries you can just dump into a directory after configuring the netboot stuff?

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Juski:

I'm not too comfy with the idea of cross-compiling ;)

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gabrielg:

AndyCap: i'm not too familiar to the Dreambox, but afaik it's a well working sollution

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gabrielg:

Juski: yes, there's a precompiled package

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gabrielg:

i used that

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Juski:

Dreambox do a DVB-T version now – shouldn't be difficult to get that working as a streaming source in mythtv since it supports DBOX2 & Neutrino

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Juski:

gabrielg: cool – very good to hear that

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meushi:

gabrielg: also check for Relook boxes, better build quality than Dreambox and same price range... also runs linux and has 2 tuners

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Juski:

Relook? that's a new one

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meushi:

they're *very* nice

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meushi:

don't know if they have a -t version yet tho

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gabrielg:

meushi: that sounds very cool!

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Juski:

meushi – yes they do ;-)

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meushi:

ah yes :)

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Juski:

http://www.dgstation.co.kr/

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Juski:

http://www.dgstation.co.kr/product/product_vi . . . mp;mode=spec

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Juski:

nifty

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meushi:

brb, pizza time

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Juski:

and VFD instead of ghastly LCD ;)

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Juski:

just seen a thread on the users list about something in the vertical blank period during commercials in Oz.. if that's true, you lucky, lucky buggers!

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Gumby:

can someone refresh my memory as to what key it is that allows a search in make menuconfig?

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Gumby:

nm, found i

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Gumby:

t

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gabrielg:

Juski: so that they can auto-remove commercials? haha nifty

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** threat moshes **

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threat:

meushi, can you order and pay for my pizza?

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Juski:

gabrielg: it's unconfirmed as yet

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gabrielg:

ok

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hyperstream:

any debs out for ubuntu??

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meushi:

threat: too late

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threat:

metusine, :(

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threat:

metusine, aawww come on man, I am hungry

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threat:

metusine, all I have is eftpos

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threat:

metusine, most pizza delivery ppl dont carry a terminal around with them

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** meushi doubts they'd accept a payment from so far away **

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meushi:

wow, Relook 400S for E209

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Juski:

209 Euro? nice price

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meushi:

the stock went *poof* in less than 30 minutes :p

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Juski:

hahaha.. ebay sellers flogging em for £250

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** Juski considers going into business on ebay re-selling crap **

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meushi:

Juski: http://www.visoduck.fr/magasin/product_info.p . . . ead8fe6e9655

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Gumby:

grrrr!! atrpms is really ticking me off

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Gumby:

their smp 2.6.15–1.1833 doesnt seem to work with ivtv but none of the kmdl ivtv, nvidia, or alsa packages are available for other kernels

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meushi:

Juski: if you think ebay is bad, don't go to yahoo auctions Japan

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Juski:

lol

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meushi:

my wife is selling stuff on there, she's making mad profits

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meushi:

like 10 euros stuff sold for 60–80, pre P&P

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threat:

meushi, come on!

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meushi:

Frustration (noun): having a new mobo and cpu for the backend and discovering that the mobo doesn't like your ECC ram... on a saturday night.

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Jasper:

good morning

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Hoxzer:

good morning (but it's 2pm) :D

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Jasper:

hmm it's only 1:30 here

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scopeuk:

Hoxzer i think we operate in ugt

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Jasper:

still it's good morning cuz I just got up

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Jasper:

:P

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scopeuk:

me 2 :D

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Calroth:

11:30 p.m. here :-p

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scopeuk:

alwaysentertaingin when tiem gets brought up

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fir3st0rm:

hi

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fir3st0rm:

someone here using nvram-wakeup?

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** Juski is a power-hog, so no **

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

my fileserver's now using RAID5, all the non-RAID disks are out of the LVM

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Juski:

woohoo for you, Beirdo :-)

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Beirdo:

the next step is to start taking out disks, and to install ubuntu on one of the 200G as the system disk

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Beirdo:

unless I have a spare 80G

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Beirdo:

that would be smarter

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** scopeuk has a thing about not being able to aford raid and looks down troden **

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Beirdo:

yeah, it wasn't cheap

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Beirdo:

but I really didn't want to lose my data, and LVM has issues if a disk dies

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

oh trust me if i could aford it id do it in an instant

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Beirdo:

well, it would take a lot more than an instant to set up, believe me :)

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scopeuk:

whats anooying me atm is that the hub is louder than my desktop and myth boxes put together

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scopeuk:

Beirdo lol yes

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Hoxzer:

geez

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Beirdo:

yay, I get to yank both Promise cards too :)

[13:13:38]

Jasper:

anyone here know if there are file systems which can keep track of which users can access a certain file?

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Hoxzer:

I removed MythPhone, mythflix and mythnews in the mythplugins and now I can't see "video settings" >_<

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Beirdo:

Jasper, huh?

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Beirdo:

almost all filesystems support UNIX-style file permissions

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Beirdo:

there might be some lame ones like msdos that don't

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Jasper:

hmm, but I'm not talking allowed to access.....I'm talking allowed to see stuff

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scopeuk:

think even basic fat hat dos runs on suport permisions

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Beirdo:

there is no difference

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Beirdo:

if you want your wife to not be able to see your porn, don't give her an account, or make the directory not accessible by anyone but you

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Jasper:

8) if that was the point yes..

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Jasper:

but

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phar0e:

as long as it's not gay porn I don't see the problem?

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Jasper:

unix uses a standard file right for user permission?

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Beirdo:

hmmm?

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Beirdo:

what do you mean by a standard file?

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Jasper:

a file which is normally accessable?

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Beirdo:

I don't understand what you are asking

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Jasper:

like passwd, group

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Jasper:

ok, let me try and explain what I mean differently

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Jasper:

fat32 for example has reserved space for the root directory and the fat table.. there's not a thing like the user table

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Beirdo:

fat32 is crap

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Jasper:

well yeah...but that's not the point

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Jasper:

:P

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Beirdo:

it has no idea of user ownership

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Jasper:

so when I format a disk ext3 and don't install anything on it...will the fs allready have a basic layout structure for users in it?

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Beirdo:

if you want to know technical details, you will need to read kernel source

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Beirdo:

basically, when it writes a file, it has a UID and GID and a ownership mode associated with it

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Beirdo:

where exactly that all gets stored, dunno, but it's in the filesystem

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Beirdo:

and yes, the UID and GID are resolved to names using /etc/passwd and /etc/group

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Beirdo:

through the use of /etc/nsswitch.conf

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Beirdo:

which can redirect it to use NIS, etc

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Jasper:

hmm k

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna go move some disks, be back in a few

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scopeuk:

a1fa can you get on msn tv today?

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sandos:

I cant

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sandos:

website also down...

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scopeuk:

yeh same here

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Beirdo:

well, THAT was fun

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Beirdo:

forgot to put the RAID driver into the initrd

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Beirdo:

heh

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meushi:

double plus ungood

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Beirdo:

so it didn't see my LVM as it didn't see the RAID in time :)

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Beirdo:

all fixed

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Beirdo:

and hopefully this evening, I will be rid of FC1 on that machine

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Beirdo:

but first... gotta run

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scopeuk:

ay one else have myth web tell em a file is -1.6 gig?

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scopeuk:

sorry on download from myth we reported size is negative

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wwalker:

for me, itreports ok (linux firefox

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey does any one know how to re-encode DIVX files into PSP format?

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scopeuk:

yeh im gonan TRY ANTOERH BROWQSER SHORTLY

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scopeuk:

scuse caps

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wwalker:

Which browser is reporting funny.

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scopeuk:

opera windows atm

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dtm:

DarkDrgn2k: http://www.22balmoralroad.net/index.php?/arch . . . tml#extended

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DarkDrgn2k:

dtm: nice!

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scopeuk:

what are the load averages equivilent too? ive not seen anything about them other than lower is better

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dtm:

scopeuk: loadavg is the number of processes which are currently waiting

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scopeuk:

ok

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dtm:

scopeuk: for whatever reason. could be cpu, i/o (network, disk), or just bad programming

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scopeuk:

right so its not my system is screwed if its up at 4

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scopeuk:

dtm its a crap system

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dtm:

it doesn't mean that you necessarily need a hardware upgrade or that yo'ure under attack

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dtm:

it could mean that one process cannot be satisfied

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scopeuk:

wasent sure if it was related to cpu utalisation or ram utalisation was all

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dtm:

could be swapping

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dtm:

it's just an indicator that you need to investigate.

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scopeuk:

more than likely atempting to d comercial flaging whilst recording

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

it will drop when not recording

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scopeuk:

so i guess its jest proceses queing

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scopeuk:

wow 4.87

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scopeuk:

oh well it will do as long as its recording

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wwalker:

scopeuk: run top, pastebin it

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scopeuk:

ok

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DarkDrgn2k:

dtm: is that psp link for nix for windows ffmepg?

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wwalker:

you say it's only high when recording?

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scopeuk:

http://pastebin.ca/44556

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scopeuk:

wwalker yes as far as im aware

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scopeuk:

but i do think that might be due to the fact this is a crap piece of hardware

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know where i can find a psp patch for ffmpeg

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drdaz:

is anybody having issues with mythplugins and SVN? having just compiled and installed, mythdvd is clearly missing from the frontend and there are no setup menus available in Setup

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wwalker:

if you don't have a high web server load (m9ore than 20 clients) you could turn down httpd processes since you are short on ram...

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wwalker:

StartServers 3

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wwalker:

MinSpareServers 1

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drdaz:

the other plugins seem to be there tho..

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wwalker:

scopeuk: then restart apache (or shut it off if you aren't using it.

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scopeuk:

its running myrth web and thats the whole wayi control this box

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scopeuk:

and yes ill take the advice and turn down te web process

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wwalker:

ah, still you probably only have 1 or 2 clients at a time, no need for 8 apache procs at 141 MB each (

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wwalker:

:)

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scopeuk:

i have 1 client normaly probably 2 at most

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scopeuk:

i jsut installed usign knoppmyth ill fiddle it later

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scopeuk:

its recording atm

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drdaz:

perhaps more important than my last question is does anybody know how I can fix those issues?

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drdaz:

:)

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wwalker:

knoppmyth? hmmmm.....

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Cardoe:

drdaz: you're using SVN... dig into the code

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Cardoe:

figure it out yourself

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Cardoe:

drdaz: read some error msgs

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Cardoe:

drdaz: you're always asking for help with the latest and greatest SVN

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drdaz:

there arent errors..

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Cardoe:

you can't use the latest SVN without knowing how to do some basic troubleshooting

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Cardoe:

drdaz: I bet you there are

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Cardoe:

you probably have the logging level turned way down

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drdaz:

Cardoe: do you now

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DarkDrgn2k:

"common.h:59: error: array type has incomplete element type"

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know why i get that when i try to comple ffmpeg

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drdaz:

Cardoe: the fact that items do not appear in the menus doesnt mean that there are necessarily errors to be seen does it? MythDVD compiles and installs fine. mythfrontend generates no abnormal output. I could look at the code, but I asked if anybody here knew how to approach the problem, that is what this channel is for IIRC. Your response didnt provide me with anythingof use although it hopefully gave you some satisfaction.

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scopeuk:

drdaz whouldent you need to change to a theame with myth dvd added

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wwalker:

I always pick the esoteric things to seed the torrent with. I setup a torrent server forknpopmyth. it's serving at 24 Mbps and no one is using it.... :)

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drdaz:

I don't believe so, as I understood the menu items are not defined in the themes... I may be wrong tho

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scopeuk:

i knwo you can turn them off wit ha theam

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scopeuk:

there is a pvr one for instancethat gets rid of live tv

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drdaz:

quite possible then... thx... not sure why it would have just disappeared tho. I'll have a sniff around

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drdaz:

ie – it had worked with the same theme before

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scopeuk:

argh

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scopeuk:

i dont know

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DarkDrgn2k:

WTF is AVOption and what library is it in?

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defi_:

Is there a reason why when I set a jumppoint in mythweb and save it it dosent take?

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GreyFoxx:

maybe mythfrontend needs to be restarted to read in the jumppoint list ?

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jams:

drdaz the problem you are describing also happened to me

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jams:

version 9263 fixed it

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jams:

changing the theme wouldnt affect what is shown on the menu (unless you change the menu theme)

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drdaz:

jams: ok

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drdaz:

just gonna check what version I'm running

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drdaz:

heh n1... 9263

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drdaz:

9261 even

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drdaz:

clearly my lack of troubleshooting skill was to blame there :p

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one know of any other psp video encoder

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dtm:

DarkDrgn2k: did you not just try your default ffmpeg?

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bmk789:

DarkDrgn2k: www.pspvideo9.com

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DarkDrgn2k:

dtm: i was udner the impressiosn it had to get patched to work properly

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DarkDrgn2k:

dtm: but out of desperation im running it now..

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DarkDrgn2k:

bmk789: lol ijust installed that.. it does nothign

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DarkDrgn2k:

"

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DarkDrgn2k:

"Basically, I couldn't use a standard ffmpeg. I had to replace a few official source files with source files that MobileHacker provides (the author of 3GP Converter)

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beavis:

I've started 0.19-fixes on my svn HEAD db (schema version: 1123 vs 1128). It seems to work so far, any idea if anything can fail?

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abarbaccia:

hey all – hows it goin

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defi_:

Is it worth upgrading to 0.19?

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bmk789:

yes

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beavis:

yes

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defi_:

a lot of fixes?

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wasabi_:

Having a problem with settings in MythVideo (the video dir) not saving.

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Cardoe:

drdaz: blah blah blah... whine whine whine... I want to run latest SVN but don't understand basic debugging and troubleshooting techniques so people in here should fix it for me... wah wah wah

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** Juski chuckles **

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ole_schoola:

so how do you REALLY feal Cardoe?

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ole_schoola:

feel

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Hoxzer:

what button is mute for mythtv?

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Hoxzer:

F9 k

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Cardoe:

ole_schoola: You haven't a clue what I'm talking about.

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ole_schoola:

sure I do, i'm just laughing(crying) with you, not at you

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drdaz:

Cardoe: where do you see me whining? just curious...

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bio_:

006-03–05 17:59:50.161 NVR::AudioInit() This Unix doesn't support device files for audio access. Skipping <-- is this oss-related?

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Chutt:

don't disable oss.

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bio_:

hm, wanted to use alsa

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Chutt:

so?

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Chutt:

what's that have to do with compiling out oss?

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bio_:

so i thought i'd disable it, when im not going to use it

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Chutt:

why?

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Cardoe:

bio_: don't worry.. Chutt's build system isn't robust enough to handle all sorts of configurations

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Cardoe:

;)

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Chutt:

it's robust enough

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Chutt:

it's just plain moronic to disable something like that

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Cardoe:

"Debian builds with OSS and ALSA.... so everyone should have it."

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Chutt:

everyone _does_ have it.

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bio_:

i dont have oss compiled into the kernel

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Cardoe:

if you say so Chutt

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Chutt:

you don't have the oss compatability modules?

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Chutt:

that are part of alsa?

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bio_:

well, that would be an idea

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Cardoe:

more like a wrapper to alsa

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Cardoe:

but either way

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Chutt:

what do you mean, either way?

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Chutt:

that bit of code is only written to support the oss interface

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Chutt:

if you don't like that, submit a patch.

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Cardoe:

Chutt: there's already a patch for it in SVN

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Cardoe:

that works

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Chutt:

uh, not if you're using a bttv card

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Chutt:

or anything else that software records

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Chutt:

that patch doesn't magically convert the code into something that uses alsa natively

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Cardoe:

bio_: what card do you have?

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Cardoe:

Chutt: just playing devils advocate here.

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Chutt:

removing functionality because you don't want to have a tiny bit of extra code with _no additional dependencies_ is absolutely stupid.

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dtm:

Chutt: especially when coupled with the fact that you've abandoned the collective body of QA

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Chutt:

there may well be people out there that went and manually disabled alsa's oss compatability modules

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Chutt:

but that also would be silly, since there's sooo much stuff that doesn't do alsa natively.

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bio_:

0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)

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Cardoe:

dtm: What QA does it break?

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bio_:

thats the primary, the other one is a bt848

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timekllr:

can someone tell me how to do a firewire change channel on comcast box when NOT using the firewire video capture ?

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Chutt:

Cardoe, hey, lookithat, he can't use the patch that's in svn :p

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Chutt:

amazing.

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** Cardoe shrugs. **

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Cardoe:

like I said, I was playing devils advocate.

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Cardoe:

It's not how I have my system configured

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Cardoe:

I personally still have the OSS stuff

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Cardoe:

Cause it's be pretty dumb to get rid of it.

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Cardoe:

Chutt: so in the end, I have the same opinion as you.

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hhurtta:

can anyone tell how to add new feeds to mythnews, please? Documentation tells to use 'custom' -button but I seem to be blind or something

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scopeuk:

ok ive noticed something weird on mythweb .18 when i look at fiel sizes there reported as 14 gig but when i downloa em to play em on my windows box there only jsut short of 2 gig

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dtm:

Octane: hey did you get anywhere with your sblive? i'm fixin to SET UP ME THE BOMB

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Cardoe:

scopeuk: large file support

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scopeuk:

i belive so

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scopeuk:

the files dont seam to be truncated either

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scopeuk:

humm last cupple have ony la cupple of seconds of video

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scopeuk:

ill have to keep playign i think

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scopeuk:

think im gonna have to get rund to seting up a proper playback frontend

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scopeuk:

and find somewhere nice to site it

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abarbaccia:

hey all – help me out here -why would my lirc stop working when i upgrade to

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abarbaccia:

0.19

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scopeuk:

change in santex maby?

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scopeuk:

justa guess

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abarbaccia:

i dont know

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abarbaccia:

i have no idea why mythtv would affect lirc

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abarbaccia:

it shouldnt at all – like the drive loads still i think...

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scopeuk:

im jsut wondering if it whould have been upgraded

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abarbaccia:

i was very specific on which packages i upgraded

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scopeuk:

has it changed your config?

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scopeuk:

spose rearly i orta ask what you mean by stoped working

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myNOOBtv:

hello everyone

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myNOOBtv:

Has anyone seen this one.......

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myNOOBtv:

PVR 150 works great on cold boot yet warm boot causes errors?

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braniff:

what about a *lukewarm* or a *tepid* boot heh

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Juski:

erm.. so don't reboot if you can ever help it. sheesh

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braniff:

what kind of errors ?

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myNOOBtv:

errors are .....

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myNOOBtv:

warning: i2c client addr: 0x21 not found for command 0x40085618!

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myNOOBtv:

several of those

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myNOOBtv:

and of course myth fails

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myNOOBtv:

but

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myNOOBtv:

a cold boot fixes it

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myNOOBtv:

is there a software reset option for IVTV drivers?

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abarbaccia:

myNOOBtv, not that i know of- i've heard of some update ivtv drivers that attempt to fix the problem but nothing too successful

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myNOOBtv:

this line in modprobe.conf alias char-major-81 ivtv should read as alias char-major-81 videodev

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myNOOBtv:

but

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myNOOBtv:

it changes by itself on warm boots

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braniff:

what do you mean by a warm boot — typing "reboot" ?

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myNOOBtv:

yes

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myNOOBtv:

and cold boot as in powercycle

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abarbaccia:

myNOOBtv, try leaving 81 as videodev

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abarbaccia:

and make a 81–0 for ivtv

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abarbaccia:

i believe thats how its supposed to work

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myNOOBtv:

I have that line as well

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myNOOBtv:

I have two cards one "...81–0 ivit" and one "...81–1 ivtv" but I need a "...81 videodev"

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myNOOBtv:

something is screwing with it and changing it to "...81 ivtv"

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braniff:

as for a software reset of ivtv.......couldn't you *reset* the kernel module like this: "# modprobe -r ivtv; modprobe ivtv"

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abarbaccia:

yeah

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myNOOBtv:

anyway to make modprobe.conf readonly?

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abarbaccia:

myNOOBtv, if its doing it during startup then i dont think its gonna make a difference

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myNOOBtv:

kk

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abarbaccia:

like runlevel 0 and runlevel 6 are gonna ignore the permission

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myNOOBtv:

*cries*

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braniff:

there's no crying in linux !!!! heh

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myNOOBtv:

yum install sniffle

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myNOOBtv:

:p

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topping:

drive prices coming down... 300GB seagate for $99... http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . _code=335866

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myNOOBtv:

coolies

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narf:

Western Digital 320GB $114 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144392

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bmk789:

SATA?

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narf:

ide

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narf:

compusa one is slightly better deal

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narf:

by .02c/GB

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** Juski wouldn't have a WD drive if you gave him one **

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Jasper:

why's that Juski ?

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** scopeuk will tke any wd drives you were planning on giving juski :D **

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Jasper:

are they tha bad?

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Juski:

bad? yep

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scopeuk:

ive never had a problem with em

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Juski:

where I work we used to use them, but had a bad problem with a very big batch of them – firmware bug

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scopeuk:

ouch

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Juski:

that and poor reliability in general – not even as good as Maxtor

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Juski:

we get less than 1% of units returned to us because of faulty drives annually

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Juski:

but the WD ones... more like 5%

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Juski:

but hey for every HDD manufacturer there are people who'll slag em off for no good reason other than they had a bad experience once ;-)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

ive only ever had 2 dead hdds one doa on a system i was given and one that died after several years of abuse

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scopeuk:

that was a quantom fireball i think

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Juski:

anyway – here's some news. Maxtor drives are gonna be disappearing

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Juski:

existing maxtor models will all be replaced by seagate ones

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Arkkis:

Juski, what's your preferred hdd supplier?

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Juski:

I have nothing but Maxtor right now – they were cheap

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Arkkis:

I've had some really bad experiences with maxtor during the last year, had 6 drives break on me

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Jasper:

yeah

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Jasper:

I had a bad experience with maxtor 2 weeks ago

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

mine are well looked after I might add & I know their history – they've not been mishandled by some lout in a computer store

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Juski:

the biggest cause of HDD failures is mishandling

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Arkkis:

you mean the g-forces?

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Juski:

last time I went to one place to buy a HDD the salesman just plonked the disk onto the counter in its anti-static bag

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Juski:

I refused to pay for it

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Juski:

peered round the side of the collection window & saw piles of disks just stacked on top of each other

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Arkkis:

makes one wonder why disks are not packed more securely

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Juski:

so next time you wanna blame someone, take a look at your supplier's handling first ;-)

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Juski:

Arkkis: you ever seen the packaging they come in?

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Juski:

the retail boxes can take 50G impacts

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scopeuk:

big card box with foam packing last one i recived

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Juski:

which is like dropping it from more than a metre off the floor

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myNOOBtv:

he means bulk tho

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Arkkis:

hmm

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scopeuk:

most drives are rated to take huge impacts when not running

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Juski:

yes they are

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myNOOBtv:

in bulk there are 20/box and only a thin foam around them

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Juski:

never move a machine while HDDs are spinning. ever

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Jasper:

funny to read that ntfs puts the backup MTF table exactly in the middle of the disk

[18:53:57]

Juski:

never put anything on top of your machine while disks are spinning

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Juski:

blah blah

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scopeuk:

yeh i have nve on ruber mounts

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scopeuk:

came iwth the case i should point out

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Juski:

you don't need worry about wear levelling either – the HDD firmware takes care of that

[18:54:42]

scopeuk:

but i comit the cardinal sian my sub sits onto of my tower

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scopeuk:

sin*

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Juski:

scopeuk: rubber mounts can make it worse

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scopeuk:

yeh there not huge

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scopeuk:

just to reduce noise rearly

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Juski:

last lecture thing.. putting HDDs next to each other in your box is a _bad_ idea

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Juski:

1. for heat reasons...

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scopeuk:

2 hdds is enough to make alight box run acorss a table

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Juski:

2. vibration from the other disks around it – in a standard PC box, one drive running on top of another can reduce read performance by 15%

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Juski:

put that in your THG & smoke it ;-)

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shape:

will cablevisions Sci Atlanta 4200 box work with myth?

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myNOOBtv:

vibrations affect head settling time

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myNOOBtv:

not so much of an issue with ancient stepper motor drives :P

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

when you think that they have thousands of tracks in the width of a human hair it's amazing they work

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myNOOBtv:

aye

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myNOOBtv:

also...

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myNOOBtv:

some drives IBM Japan for example do not want to be installed facing down (connectors up)

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myNOOBtv:

that's because it wears them out faster *shrugs*

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myNOOBtv:

*crosses fingers and reboots* BRB

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xanderp:

i'm looking for info on getting vbi working so i can do captions. I'm running the lastest build of ivtv, and i get an error when I try to use captions of "vbi: Invalid Argument" in my mythbackend.log

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meushi:

Juski: if you want real disk failures, try the first HDS SANs

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ole_schoola:

brought my first athlon (1700+) back to Krex as a DOA, service mgr takes it out of static shell and starts flipping it over in his hands, on carpet

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ole_schoola:

brought my first athlon (1700+) back to Krex as a DOA, service mgr takes it out of static shell and starts flipping it over in his hands, on carpet

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shape:

/quit

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ole_schoola:

srybrought my first athlon (1700+) back to Krex as a DOA, service mgr takes it out of static shell and starts flipping it over in his hands, on carpet

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ole_schoola:

crap, sry

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dtm:

ole_schoola: lol it's incredible how people use antistatic containers, and yet toss the equipment around in their hands. what's the antistatic material for? solar storms?

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dtm:

IT'S MORE REAL IF YOU TOUCH IT

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kormoc:

as long as you don't touch any leads on the equipment

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kormoc:

and you're nto statically charged

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ole_schoola:

this is the same Krex as the online store, I sh*t you not

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kormoc:

it's very very unlikely anything would happen

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ole_schoola:

kormoc: no stat mat at the service window, just carpet, carpet on floors

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** Cardoe pulls his processor out and rubs it on the carpet and then sticks it back in **

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mishehu:

isn't/wasn't krex one of the places smacked down for selling counterfeit parts?

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mishehu:

the one in morton grove?

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ole_schoola:

dunno, but they're right down the street from me

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ole_schoola:

never went back there, ever

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ole_schoola:

yes, mortonn grove

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mishehu:

ole_schoola: been a looooong time since I've been in that area, but I remember krex.

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dtm:

kormoc: determining static charge is the fallacy. you can destroy electrical impregnation without even feeling it.

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dtm:

or even just weaken them

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immolo:

Heya has anyone here tried using mythtv-0.19 on hardened gentoo?

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ole_schoola:

i miss working with the the DEC StorageWorks monsters

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ole_schoola:

them were solid arrays

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kormoc:

dtm, I ground myself when working with equipment

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** kormoc shrugs **

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ole_schoola:

so were the AlphaServers in the heyday

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meushi:

ole_schoola: the old SSA from sun were quite nice, too

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ole_schoola:

never got to play with the Sun gear, just the Sparc 1+ they plopped down next to my PowerMac

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ole_schoola:

expensive terminal to manage Centrex and voicemail servers

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meushi:

no doubt about the expensive part

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** ole_schoola chuckles **

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ole_schoola:

best contract i ever had, regional telco R&D house, money was loose

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tfm:

Temporary setting 'UseOpenGLPainter' which can be overridden on the commandline to disable the opengl painter and use the Qt one instead.

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meushi:

yeah, the kind of contracts one can enjoy

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tfm:

how to disable OpenGL ?

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tfm:

as its _very_ slow

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kormoc:

tfm, in 0.19 it's a option under playback settings

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ole_schoola:

meushi: contractors travelled like upper mgmt, too — five stars hotels, 1st class

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tfm:

kormoc: I'm using CVS

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Servo888:

are there any tools to decode the .nuv files created by mythtv?

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tfm:

9261 introduced GL instead of QT

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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meushi:

ole_schoola: my previous contract (2 years ago) was still like that :)

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tfm:

I don't find where to change this

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tfm:

if (gContext->GetNumSetting("UseOpenGLPainter", 1))

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drdaz:

tfm: --override-setting UseOpenGLPainter=0

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tfm:

mythfrontend --override-setting UseOpenGLPainter=0

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tfm:

?

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drdaz:

yep

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tfm:

hmmm, and then my menu is back fast ?

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drdaz:

should be

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tfm:

as its now _soooooo_ slow

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drdaz:

unless its not OGL making it slow

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tfm:

I don't get why ijr pushed this as default

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drdaz:

he wants it tested

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drdaz:

I think..

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ole_schoola:

running SVN makes you a tester ;)

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tfm:

you need a fast PC for it

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tfm:

my p4 celeron can't handle it

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kormoc:

svn is the development and unstable, needing testing release

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kormoc:

tfm, it should...

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kormoc:

tfm, what's your videocard?

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tfm:

no problem with those changes, but it runs very slow on p4 celeron 2.6

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tfm:

lemme see

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tfm:

I use an asus digimatrix

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tfm:

00:02.1 SMBus: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS961/2 SMBus Controller

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kormoc:

that's not a videocard

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kormoc:

but you are likely using a onboard videocard, which is why it's so slow

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tfm:

yup yup

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tfm:

its a passive barebone

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kormoc:

that's not cpu related slowdown

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kormoc:

that's a videocard slowdown

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tfm:

my cpu goes to 99% when mythfrontend is running now ;

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tfm:

BoardName "SiS 650/M650/651/740"

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** kormoc nods **

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tfm:

this is the guy I have ;)

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Esotericisms:

ever since I upgraded to 0.19 I can't stream on my windows machine using media player like I use to be able to ... any ideas?

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tfm:

lemme install todays build again

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kormoc:

tfm, btw, your box is considered a fasy mythbox, other then the lack of a proper videocard.

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tfm:

fasy ?

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meushi:

ole_schoola: last trip like that was 2 weeks in Egypt to setup a new branch... touring 13 days while the network guys sorted their mess, 1 day work to rollout the servers

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kormoc:

tfm, most people seem to try to use under 1 ghz boxes for it

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kormoc:

tfm, *fast

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tfm:

fast ;)

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tfm:

its an asus digimatrix, a barebone, really nice box

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tfm:

but there is _no_ possibility to change anything

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Chutt:

you don't need a fast pc for the opengl stuff

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Chutt:

you need a working video card.

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tfm:

yup ;)

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tfm:

but I can't change that ;)

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kormoc:

you don't have any pci or agp or pci-e slots?

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Chutt:

sure you can, buy real hardware

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Chutt:

none of that integrated crap

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tfm:

but then it doesn't integrate in my living ;)

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tfm:

this box is really stylish ;)

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meushi:

ole_schoola: the dcc isn't working

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sphing_:

alright its official... .19 is recording weird things

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tfm:

yes, thats a lot faster ;)

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Esotericisms:

ever since I upgraded to 0.19 I can't stream on my windows machine using media player like I use to be able to ... any ideas?

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ole_schoola:

meushi: the guy i trained to replace me got sent to new zealand, same schedule you had in eqypt

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meushi:

ole_schoola: heh, not surprised a bit

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ole_schoola:

coworkers got to do the airfoil hotel in Dubai

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ole_schoola:

http://www.burj-al-arab.com/ they use the falcons(?) to keep other birds away

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meushi:

ole_schoola: nice place

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meushi:

ole_schoola: #ole_schoolers, to stop disrupting the channel ;)

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tfm:

rev 9264 works smoothly ;)

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tfm:

kormoc: nope

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tfm:

kormoc: only 2x mini pci, which already have sound and wireless

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kormoc:

that's a sad box

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tfm:

kormoc: bwoah, depends, it boots from CF

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tfm:

has _no_ moving parts

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** kormoc shrugs **

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tfm:

and has wireless/100/1g onboard

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tfm:

plus 5+1 sound etc...

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tfm:

I like the concept

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kormoc:

but no real video card

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tfm:

but you don't need it ;)

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kormoc:

yes, yes you do

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tfm:

as long as mythtv use QT ;)

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kormoc:

tfm, you're looking at the future of myth

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tfm:

mayby my videocard can do opengl stuff, dunno, have to look into it

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kormoc:

tfm, and forget about HDTV on that

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tfm:

hdtv, *lol*, not existing in .be

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** kormoc shrugs **

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meushi:

tfm: a shame

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tfm:

if fine fine the same fancy box, I will consider upgrading ;)

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tfm:

HDTV is non existing here

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meushi:

I know, I moved out of 'here'

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tfm:

<meushi> tfm: a shame

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kormoc:

any box can boot off of flash usually, and it's not hard to put a usb wifi device behind the box

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tfm:

ah, a .lu guy ;)

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tfm:

ah, but thats all extra

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meushi:

tfm: a transfuge :p

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tfm:

my box has _eveything_ build in ;)

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tfm:

it looks like a small hifi component

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tfm:

its taste ;)

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kormoc:

sure, but it doesn't allow a videocard

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kormoc:

which is a killer feature

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tfm:

but its not needed

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kormoc:

sure it is

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tfm:

as long as you guys keep the QT possibility

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kormoc:

...

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** kormoc points out that it's heading to where it's not **

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kormoc:

well, for all the eyecandy at least

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Servo888:

http://www.a1ontheweb.co.uk:8080/mythtv-doc/m . . . html#ss21.20 | my problem is that when I mplex the files together the audio gets out of sync.

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tfm:

http://www.computerworld.no/bildearkiv/B0A85A . . . 7E477AED.jpg

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tfm:

http://www.computerworld.no/bildearkiv/B0A8E7 . . . 4F0B102E.jpg

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kormoc:

tfm, you have that front panel hanging open?

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tfm:

I don't need the eyecandy, I need functionality

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tfm:

kormoc: no, its closed ;)

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kormoc:

then you shouldn't be using svn likely

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tfm:

hmmm, I'm using SVN for the last 2years ;)

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tfm:

I like it a lot better

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Esotericisms:

aparently no one can help ... ok

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kormoc:

tfm, svn is going to be heading more and more opengl by default

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tfm:

I needed to for .be support some years ago

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tfm:

and now I'm used to upgrade weekly ;)

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tfm:

kormoc: but QT supports remains ?

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Juski:

bah another front digital audio connection.. they never ever learn

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kormoc:

for the moment

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tfm:

I see no problem in maintaining OpenGL and QT in parallel

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kormoc:

tfm, but you'll have no idea when it will break or what not

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kormoc:

tfm, having two menuing frontends is a lot more work, and it might be worth it, but it might be not

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tfm:

in time I will move to a better frontend, when there is a nice one ;)

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Esotericisms:

ever since I upgraded to 0.19 I can't stream on my windows machine using media player like I use to be able to ... any ideas?

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tfm:

kormoc:m guessing a big userbase needs QT

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tfm:

as OpenGL requiresa certain type of videocard

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kormoc:

tfm, most of the userbase would perfer opengl

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Esotericisms:

using myth://server-name:6543/filename.mpg ...

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Esotericisms:

any ideas why?

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rjune:

maybe not need, but it's certainly doesn't hurt

[20:07:25]

kormoc:

tfm, almost everyone using myth has a card that supports opengl just fine

[20:07:26]

rjune:

Esotericisms: mythwin prolly doesn't support 0.19 yet

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kormoc:

tfm, http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 7-002-01.JPG

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rjune:

it's a separate project

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tfm:

mayby mine does ;)

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kormoc:

tfm, that's my frontend, with a clock and all that jazz on the front

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tfm:

kormoc: that doesn't look like a hifi component

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Esotericisms:

that sucks ... but thank you ...

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tfm:

koromoc: is it passive ?

[20:08:10]

kormoc:

tfm, no, if yours did, then opengl drawing would work fine

[20:08:27]

tfm:

;)

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kormoc:

tfm, yes, it is, and it matches the other components I have, next to it.

[20:08:51]

tfm:

lemme see if I can get opengl on that card running

[20:08:57]

tfm:

probably a stupid X directive

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kormoc:

glxinfo

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rjune:

kormoc: the volume control works I'm sure, but what is that stuff on the left?

[20:09:28]

kormoc:

rjune, actually, the volume control doesn't work :P

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rjune:

why not?

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kormoc:

rjune, the stuff on the left is mode selection, it switches between displaying the clock, alarm, temptures, fan speeds, and a unknown display

[20:10:00]

kormoc:

rjune, it just doesn't

[20:10:23]

kormoc:

rjune, the equalizer thing works fine tho, so I have pretty red/yellow/green bars displaying based on the audio

[20:10:32]

** rjune would prefer a way to do at least basic controls on the unit **

[20:10:51]

kormoc:

the volume control doesn't seem to send any events at all or anything

[20:11:07]

kormoc:

all I need to do is to get lirc working right

[20:11:11]

rjune:

it just a pot attatched to the mobo?

[20:11:15]

kormoc:

yeah

[20:11:24]

rjune:

so maybe it's hardware then

[20:11:36]

kormoc:

yeah, I wish it was, but turning it doesn't do anything

[20:11:44]

tfm:

I seem to be doing

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tfm:

Load "glx"

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kormoc:

unless it only controls the fround audio out...

[20:11:50]

tfm:

but that doesn't help ;)

[20:11:53]

rjune:

if the pot's busted, you would see that

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kormoc:

tfm, run glxinfo and see if you have direct rendering

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kormoc:

rjune, ooh?

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tfm:

direct rendering: No

[20:12:16]

tfm:

whiii ;)

[20:12:42]

kormoc:

welp then, likely your drivers don't support it

[20:12:46]

rjune:

pot == variable resistor. I dunno if it's that or if it's a rotational switch

[20:12:52]

kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

it's a rotational switch by the feel of it

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tfm:

soit, I'm all for keeping QT in SVN ;)

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kormoc:

it spins forever

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rjune:

prolly then

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tfm:

tx anyway ;)

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kormoc:

tfm, yeah, too bad you're not the developer

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rjune:

maybe it's drivers

[20:13:46]

tfm:

ah yes ;), but that can change, if it helps keeping QT in SVN

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milkyflava:

hello

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milkyflava:

On a remote frontend should I be able to connect to my videos?

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milkyflava:

LiveTV and Recorded Programs work but videos do not, is that normal or did I miss the obvious?

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meushi:

milkyflava: you have to nfs or smb mount the backend dir storing the vids

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milkyflava:

Thanks Meushi, thats was my solution but I was wondering if that was what everyone else was doing.

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meushi:

milkyflava: it is

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milkyflava:

Thanks, now I can live in peace again. ;)

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meushi:

hehe

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k-man:

how can i get the mythfrontend to restart in the event that it crashes?

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k-man:

i mean get it to restart automaticaly

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kormoc:

k-man, you can write a script that checks to see if it's running and if not, start it up again

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meushi:

k-man: modify your .xinitrc to do a loop around mythfrontend

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k-man:

is that what you guys do?

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kormoc:

yeah

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k-man:

ok

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meushi:

yup

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k-man:

meushi, but how do you quit mythtv if you actually want to quit it?

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kormoc:

I don't

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meushi:

k-man: I powerdown the xbox :)

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

ok

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kormoc:

but you can always just check the return value of the mythfrontend process when it exists

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kormoc:

and if it's an error, restart, else don't

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mmead:

anyone able to get xvmc playback working on a geforce 6xxx?

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kormoc:

I use xvmc on a 6200

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mmead:

I keep getting: [mpegvideo_xvmc @ 0xb73c6800]get_buffer() failed (1 1073741824 2 (nil))

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mmead:

kormoc: I have an evga geforce 6200

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kormoc:

xvinfo looks correct?

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kormoc:

I have a msi 6200

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mmead:

kormoc: not sure how it should look?

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kormoc:

pastebin.ca it

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mmead:

kormoc: http://alter.goof.com/~mmead/xvinfo.txt

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mmead:

kormoc: using 8178 nvidia driver

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kormoc:

that looks good

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kormoc:

does mplayer work with xvmc?

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mmead:

haven't tried

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mmead:

using deb here – not sure if there's a build against it

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mmead:

kormoc: trying

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k-man:

kormoc, good idea

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Gumby:

does anyone here use fc4 1833 smp kernel and ivtv? i'm getting errors when loading two modules. saa7115 and msp3400 "Unknown symbol i2c_adapter_id"

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mmead:

kormoc: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.

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mmead:

kormoc: (mplayer -vo xvmc file)

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kormoc:

yeah, something's off with your libs then I'd say

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mmead:

kormoc: which libs do you mean in particular?

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kormoc:

ldd mythfrontend will tell you what files it's linking too, and you'll want to make sure the xvmc ones are linked to the proper nvidia onces

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mmead:

it lists no xvmc libs on ldd mythfrontend – can you check to make sure yours does?

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mmead:

ldd mythfrontend | grep -i xv

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mmead:

I only get libXv.so

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kormoc:

libXvMC.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1 (0xb6edb000)

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mmead:

kormoc: you running .19?

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

perhaps it's not built into your binary?

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mmead:

hrm

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mmead:

./configure --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3/include --prefix=/usr/local --arch=athlon --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync

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mmead:

that look right?

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kormoc:

yup

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mmead:

wonder why it wouldn't link in xvmc then

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ragawu:

simple yet probly stupid question – is accessing my remote through /dev/input/event1 totally different to using the v4l drivers? at the moment, using the former means only the supplied & flimsy remote for my dvb-t card works, I'd rather use the receiver with a different remote

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mmead:

kormoc: how much is in your settings.pro about xvmc?

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kormoc:

that I wouldn't know offhand

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mmead:

EXTRA_LIBS += $$CONFIG_XVMC_LIBS

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mmead:

that's it

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mmead:

kormoc: what version of nvidia driver do you use?

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kormoc:

8178 iirc, the newest one

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mmead:

kormoc: did you build from scratch?

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kormoc:

emerged it, which is quite close, aye

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mmead:

right

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mmead:

ahh, ccache :)

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mmead:

kormoc: so I rebuilt it

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mmead:

kormoc: the link happened with -lXvMCNVIDIA -lXvMC and an ldd on the result shows no such libs

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

are you statically linking them?

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mmead:

not to my knowledge

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mmead:

must be

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mmead:

wonder if I need to upgrade X

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kormoc:

I'm running xorg 7.0

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mmead:

kormoc: xfree 4.3 here

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wwalker_away:

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mmead:

kormoc: would that be a reason for it to fail?

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kormoc:

I donno off hand

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mmead:

kormoc: there is no dynamic libXvMC, so I guess all the XvMC stuff is getting linked in statically

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narf:

home come when I try to start mythfrontend for the first time it gives me a "Unable to connect to database!" error on a remote frontend?

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narf:

i haven't had a chance to tell it where the database is

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mmead:

narf: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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narf:

hmm that wasn't in the instructions lol

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mmead:

narf: many things aren't :)

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bobbyz:

hey, is there any way to tell mythtv to begin a transcoding job from within mythweb?

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mmead:

kormoc: ok, got xorg7 installed with libxmvc-dev

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mmead:

xvmc

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lotia:

folks which HD cards can be installed in the same backend as PVR500

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mmead:

lotia: is pvr500 significantly different than pvr350?

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lotia:

its a card that basically has 2 pvr150s tuners on one pci card

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mmead:

lotia: I have an air2pc on the same machine as my pvr350

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mmead:

lotia: other than wishing I could setup the pvr350 as the first tuner to go to when watching live tv it's fine

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lotia:

mmead, can't you change the order in which the kernel modules are inserted

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mmead:

kormoc: you know what it would be trying to lik against -lXxf86vm?

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gratuit:

I'm having an issue with watching livetv, whenever I select it, it shows the video for about a second, then the video freezes and waits until I pres ESC to exit. I can use cat /dev/video0 > file to capture a long video without problem, any ideas on what might cause this?

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mmead:

lotia: if that's what is causing it, I could try... though I thik the pvr350 gets probed first

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lotia:

mmead but you're using kernel.autoload to insert the kernel modules are you/

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lotia:

mmead i mean module.autoload in /etc

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mmead:

lotia: I list them in /etc/modules

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mmead:

lotia: after blacklisting some things

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narf:

mmead: it's still giving me the same error, but with the correct ip of the backend

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lotia:

mmead can you change the order in which the kernel modules are inserted in that file?

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gratuit:

it also outputs the following errors:2006-03–05 16:14:58.644 ReadStringList timeout (quick).

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gratuit:

Remote encoder not responding.

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gratuit:

2006-03–05 16:14:58.645 WriteStringList: Bad socket

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gratuit:

2006-03–05 16:14:58.645 ReadStringList: Bad socket

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lotia:

isn't there a unified program guide for all the tuners with 0.19?

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mmead:

lotia: yes

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mmead:

lotia: but when I start live tv it jumps onto the hdtv

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mmead:

narf: hmm, user/pass correct?

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mmead:

narf: what's the error?

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lotia:

mmead can you change the tuner priority?

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mmead:

lotia: hmm, that might work

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lotia:

so when you have multiple sources that receive different channels what does the program guide show?

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lotia:

i have the same tuners so my program guide would look no different

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narf:

mmead: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.106', un/pw are correct

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mmead:

lotia: it shows the HD channels with their separator (51_1 etc)

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mmead:

lotia: interspersed numerically with the channel #s from the pvr350 source

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lotia:

mmead: sweet

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mmead:

narf: can you connect to it manually?

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mmead:

lotia: it did that in .18.1 too, of course, .18.1 did not scan for channels on hdtv for me properly

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narf:

mmead: what command would I use for that?

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mmead:

narf: telnet <ip> 3306

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narf:

mmead: lol i'll have to install that

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kavorka:

mmead: see this thread for tuner priority http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . /113001.html

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narf:

hmm I got a "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused"

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mmead:

kavorka: thx

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lotia:

folks what sort of space does HD take?

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mmead:

narf: so your db is not running

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mmead:

lotia: 9G/hr and up

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bio_:

is there something like a java-midlet to control mythtv with a mobilephone over bluetooth?

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lotia:

mmead: so its 9G/hr for 540p?

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mmead:

lotia: not sure

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narf:

mmead: actually it is b/c i'm using mythfrontend on the backend also

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lotia:

mmead: how much disk do you have?

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mmead:

lotia: 360G or so

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mmead:

narf: you should still be able to connect

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narf:

mmead: I guess i'm just unsure how to set the database permissions

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mmead:

narf ahhh

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nuxil:

hello people

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nuxil:

how do i record and watch another programm at the same time?

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mmead:

narf: I don't know that offhand, but basically figure out the grant command for mysql and then flush privileges;

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nuxil:

i have this pvr 500 card

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nuxil:

i tryed to record a moved now. it didnt allow me to change channel

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nuxil:

while it was recording

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kormoc:

you need to set it up as two different tuners in mythtv

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nuxil:

how?

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kormoc:

add a new tuner and select the second one

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nuxil:

ic

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nuxil:

in mythtv-setup right

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kormoc:

yup

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nuxil:

kormoc video source?

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kormoc:

you can set it to the same

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bio_:

buying a tv-card with hardware mpeg2-encoder will only reduce cpu-load, right? or would it also help in improving picture quality?

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nuxil:

bio_ both

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Juski:

bio_: probably

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kormoc:

bio_, they tend to have much higher quality tuners then the cheaper cards

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bobbyz:

bio_: I noticed both when I upgraded from a bt878-based card to a pvr-150

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nuxil:

bio_ i had a bttv card before. this pvr card has 10X better quality

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nuxil:

kormoc so in my video source menu i got video0 and video1

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nuxil:

next wat to do

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

select video1 for the second tuner

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bobbyz:

bio_: yeah, go for a card with hardware encoding...it is SO much nicer to have. :)

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bio_:

hm, i have two cards in my box. bt848 and other one i dont remember right now, but both only framegrabber

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narf:

mmead: it seems that on gentoo, mysql is restricted to localhost by default

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narf:

mmead: that was the problem

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bobbyz:

I just purchased a pvr-150 mce off of newegg.com for $70 (including shipping), and I'm very happy with it

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nuxil:

kormoc both are set to use input tuner

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bio_:

bt848 generally has crappy picture, the other one is quite ok with tvtime but results in mythtv are not that satisfactory

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kormoc:

nuxil, hrm

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bio_:

so wondering if its generally a problem of the mpeg-encoding and if it would improbe with a better card

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kormoc:

likely improve, aye

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bio_:

hmmmmm, well, i maybe should buy one and try

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nuxil:

kormoc hmm and in inputconection menu both are set to use the same video source

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bobbyz:

bio_: if you've got a fast enough cpu, you can probably get decent results with your existing card, but I don't know if it's really possible to hit the quality of a hardware-based card without really using a lot of cpu and a high bitrate, but I'm no expert

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bio_:

having three tv-cards then

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bobbyz:

bio_: yeah, I hear ya...I now have 2 cards when you count the bttv card, but if you are planning on using mythtv a lot, it's worth getting th hardware card

[22:02:16]

bio_:

well, my testbox where im doing the setup right now is xp 2400 but the harddrive will then be put in an xp 1000. probably not slow enough having 95% cpu-usageby now

[22:02:59]

bio_:

yeah i think so. the encoding settings i have right now probably wont work on the pc im planning to use

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bobbyz:

and the hardware-based cards not only give great quality, but they reduce the cpu load to practically nothing...I mean I'm now able to play starcraft with cedega while mythbackend records shows for me

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bio_:

which card do you have if i may ask

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bobbyz:

pvr-150 mce

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bio_:

chipset that is i suppose?

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bobbyz:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620

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bobbyz:

ivtv

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narf:

ok I can connect to mysql with a remote frontend, but not the backend, any ideas?

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bio_:

hm also have to consider usb or not, dvb, .. :) i hate making decisions like that ^^

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bobbyz:

narf: I found what I had to do was run mythtv-setup and make sure you enter the machine's external ip address instead of localhost on the machine running mythbackend

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narf:

wow, too many steps, why make it so secure by default?

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bobbyz:

I mean run mythtv-setup on the machine running mythbackend and make sure the backend address is set to the machine's ip address...think that makes more sense than what I said first

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bobbyz:

I'm not so sure it's as much about security as just the design of mythtv

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Sudanmas:

Howdy all. I recently upgraded to .19 from .18 after over a year of trouble free mything. After apt-get'ing .19 I started experiencing simultaneous audio/video lag (1 sec pause, 2 sec playback – repeat) if a show is being recorded and I attempt to watch another prerecorded program. Also happen if I attempt to watch a show a few minutes after recording has started. I also noticed if I attempt to watch a show while one is being recorded, t

[22:11:45]

xris:

bobbyz: you're setting the IP of the master backend there... other frontends will connect to the db to look up that IP, so if it's set to "localhost" then the frontends will each think that they themselves are the master backend.

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xris:

Sudanmas: what does top say about cpu usage?

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** xris heads afk, sorry to start conversations and then leave. **

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Sudanmas:

xris – I'll have to check – I haven't checked that

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Sudanmas:

What's the easiest way to check CPU usage in Fedora Core 2?

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jams:

top

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jams:

Sudanmas- top

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Sudanmas:

I'm not sure I know what that means

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jams:

open an xterm and type top

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Sudanmas:

Ok :-)

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jams:

q to quit

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fir3st0rm:

hi

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Sudanmas:

What % utilisation would be a reasonable level to see with just the myth front and backend running?

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fir3st0rm:

is it possible to deacivate the theme scaling?

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drdaz:

why in god's name would you want to do that?

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jams:

Sudanmas- it depends

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fir3st0rm:

the frontend start would be faster then

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jams:

anything up to 80% while playing a video is ok

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bio_:

sudanmas: just interested, where have you found deb sources for mythtv? the ones i found on google werent valid anymore

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drdaz:

yeah but..

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jams:

fir3st0rm- does it always rescale?

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fir3st0rm:

yes

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jams:

does it take more then 2–3 seconds?

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fir3st0rm:

depends on cpu usage

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jams:

Myth caches the scaled images, so if after the initial scale it still takes a while then you have a date/timestamp problem

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Sudanmas:

bio – Hi – I grabbed my Fedora build of the Fedora website (this was a couple years back)

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fir3st0rm:

but there is no way to deactivate the rescaling?

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jams:

but to really answer your question, myth will not scale the images if you are running 800x600 for a 4:3 theme or 1280x720 for a -wide theme

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bio_:

ah, didnt know fedora uses apt too

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fir3st0rm:

ok tnx

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drdaz:

jams: it wont?

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Sudanmas:

jams – I'll check my CPU util and report back in a bit

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jams:

drdaz- nope

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Sudanmas:

bbiab

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drdaz:

oO

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jams:

those are the resoltuions myt expects and the themes should be designed for.

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drdaz:

800x600 is perhaps the default size for 4:3 themes

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drdaz:

ahh..

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drdaz:

yes

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drdaz:

ook

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jams:

right 800x600 for non -wide themes

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narf:

ok so apparently the network protocol is different between 0.18 and 0.19, i have to compile AGAIN lol

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drdaz:

I was just wondering... this move to opengl in mythfrontend... will this mean porting to windoze will be easier?

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meushi:

gnite

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JasonX:

Does anyone know if there is a script to recursively call the imdb.pl script for all unit'd movie entries in db?

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JasonX:

("uninit'd movie entries" typo)

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JasonX:

i.e Is there any way to grab imdb info for all entries in db that currently just have a name (as opposed to manually getting info for each one from video manager?)

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Servo888:

Hello

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kal:

hello

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kal:

i've heard that it was possible to tell what type of filename mythtv should use for his records

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kal:

but i cant find where

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myNOOBtv:

hello, everyone :)

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kal:

is it possible or not? :/

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myNOOBtv:

kal which type of record?

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kal:

i was thinking about make a user jobs command..

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kal:

live tv record

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myNOOBtv:

you mean the .mpg of a live tv recording?

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kal:

yep :p

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myNOOBtv:

there's a table in the database that maps a friendly name to the actual file name

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myNOOBtv:

looking up the table now one sec...

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kal:

heh great

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kormoc:

kal, a user job to do what?

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kal:

but i don't know mysql :/

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kal:

well look here : http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.4

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Sudanmas:

Hi all – I'm experiencing audio/video jitter issues when playing back programming while a show is being recorded at the same time. Someone had asked what my CPU loads were: with a program being recorded and playback taking place simultaneoulsy the CPU load is maxed out at 3.76

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kal:

i was thinkink about make a "mv %DIR%/%FILE% ..."

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JasonX:

Anyone done any stuff wtih the imdb grabber for movie info/posters ?

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, that would be why then, your cpu is overloaded

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myNOOBtv:

the table is "recorded"

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kormoc:

kal, yeah, to do what?

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myNOOBtv:

it has everything you need to know about your recordings there

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kal:

kormoc: to move the .mpg in a more "family" name

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kal:

myNOOBtv: problem is that i've never user mysql

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myNOOBtv:

ahh

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kal:

except that drop database mythconverg;

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kal:

lol

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kormoc:

kal, why not use the script already there that just links them to friendly names?

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kal:

kormoc: well, already there ? where ? :p

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myNOOBtv:

well...if you're gonna be a programer learn SQL :)

[22:54:32]

Sudanmas:

kormoc – what do the load averages mean? It currently says 3.66 3.16 1.71

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kal:

myNOOBtv: im gonna buy a book i think :)

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, that's how many programs are currently competing for cpu time at the same time, so you have three threads going at once

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kormoc:

kal, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ythrename.pl

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kormoc:

kal, links at the bottom of the page to download (Original Format)

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kal:

ok thx :)

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myNOOBtv:

I recomend SAMS Publishing Teach yourself T-SQL or SQL or PL-SQL depends on which platform you want to use....once you learn one the others are easy

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kal:

it's in svn branch, it means that the next stable rlz of mythtv will include that function ?

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Sudanmas:

So those values indicate my CPU is being overtaxed? Can you elaborate?

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kal:

myNOOBtv: ok :)

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kormoc:

kal, it's already there, in the contrib directory of the sources

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kormoc:

kal, your distro might have it installed, it might not

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kal:

well, with gentoo i don't have to look in the source :/

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, okay, you have one cpu, that can run one thread at a time. that number is the number of threads tring to run at a single time, and thus, cause it's > 1, they are stepping on each other's toes

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myNOOBtv:

Has anyone seen a fix to the PVR 150 detected as PVR250 problem? I've spent hours pouring over varios lists to no avail

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kormoc:

kal, yeah, gentoo doesn't include the contribs

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** kormoc peers at Cardoe, cause likely we should start doing that **

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JasonX:

I am intending writing a script to AUTOMATICALLY get imdb info for ALL my videos in database that dont currently have it. I dont want to reinvent the wheel, Has anything similar to this been done before?

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Sudanmas:

Kormoc – thanks for the explanation :)

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, no problems :)

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kal:

kormoc: and i make a user job with this perl script ?

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myNOOBtv:

imdb has an XML service but it's secure for partners only :/

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kormoc:

kal, what I think xris did for the work's box is just set it up via cron every 30 or 60 minutes

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kal:

oh ok

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Sudanmas:

kormoc: I should mention that pausing playback and then unpausing temporarily fixes the jitter issue

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kal:

that's quite simple

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JasonX:

there is a script in myth already to grab the imdb info BUT it only does it for 1 entry at a time

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myNOOBtv:

anyone got a sec for my current and hopefully last prb of my install?

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, likely cause it allows the cpu to catch up

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Sudanmas:

Can I fine tune the OS to help fix the issue or is upgrading the CPU the best option?

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kal:

oh by the ways, is there a dvb-t card which tune quickly ?

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kal:

mine , Leadtek DTV 1000, is tuning slowly

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kal:

i have to wait 5 seconds between channel zap

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kal:

:/

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fozi:

that's mythtv and not the card and 5 second are not so bad

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, what's your system stats?

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kal:

ok

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kal:

is there a way to get mythrename.pl in unicode ?

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kormoc:

kal, likely, if perl supports unicode

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kal:

ok :)

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kal:

so all is working just fine

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kal:

kewl :p

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Sudanmas:

Kormoc – I'm embarrased to say I don't remember :-| How you can you pull up the CPU info? I do know I have 1Gb of RAM installed with an AMD processor

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, cat /proc/cpuinfo

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Sudanmas:

Kormoc – it's a AMD Sempron 2400+ (1663Mhz) 256Kb cache

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, that's plenty fast...

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, what is all running on the box?

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Sudanmas:

I don't run anything other than MYTH, however, I may very well have processes running that don't need to be

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, run top, and see what is using the most cpu up

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Sudanmas:

Sure

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, by chance, do you have a nvidia card?

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Sudanmas:

Kormoc – I sure do

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, are you running a 8xxx driver?

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kormoc:

cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version will show you what version

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Sudanmas:

Sorry – I don't know :(

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Sudanmas:

Ok – I'll check

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Sudanmas:

NVIDIA Linux Kernel Module 1.0–6629 Wed Nov 3rd

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kormoc:

okay, so that blasts that theory out of the water :P

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narf:

what's the difference between the 81 and 8_1 format and why do I get duplicates in the program guide?

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, so then, check top and see what's using a lot of cpu

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Sudanmas:

Sure

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, it's sorted by most to least by default

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Sudanmas:

The biggest CPU hog is something called klogd followed by events/0

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kormoc:

how much is it using?

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Sudanmas:

Klog 4.7 events/0 5.3

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kormoc:

yeah, that's not enough to cause your issues

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kormoc:

now you're gonna wanna run the frontend and have top running while playback a video and see what's eating the cpu then

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Sudanmas:

Sure

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kal:

why mythtv generate .png thumbnail for record file ?

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Sudanmas:

With a show recording in the background: 4.91 5.07 3.98

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kal:

it seems to perturb the records viewer

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kormoc:

kal, for the static preview and as in mythweb

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kal:

does the record viewer filter *.png ?

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, what processes are using it? mythbackend? mythfrontend? mythcomflag?

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kal:

cauz it cant display some file, seems like a bug

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Sudanmas:

With a show recording and playback:4.41 4.87 4

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, sure, so the processes that are using that?

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Sudanmas:

Not much difference between the two...

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Sudanmas:

I don't see any of those processes on the list TOP provides

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, ooh?

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kormoc:

it might be i/o limited then

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kormoc:

but really shouldn't

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Sudanmas:

The only myth related process I see is lirc_dev

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Sudanmas:

That's chewing up 1%

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, well, is anything chewing up more then say 5%?

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Sudanmas:

klogd and events occasionally

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kormoc:

hrm

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Sudanmas:

mythcommflag is now running and using 6.3%

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kal:

ok i know why mythtv can't find my record, i've just used mythrename.pl before lol

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kal:

is it possible to use wildmask for file extension filter in mythvideo ?

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kormoc:

kal, it just hardlinks them, so they stay in myth, but have pretty names as well, so if you delete out of myth, they get deleted as well

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, let's check your IO

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, hdparm -t /dev/hda (if your hard drive you store the recordings on is hda)

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Sudanmas:

Sure – please hold.

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Sudanmas:

I'll set another job to record

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, actually, do that without recording

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, it just gives the max speed your harddrive can output

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Sudanmas:

Ok – recording cancelled.

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knoppix:

I have a Question; how does one go about activating KDE in Knoppmyth?

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kormoc:

basically, we're just gonna make sure your harddrive can keep up. if it outputs at say, 10 megs per second or more, then you should be good, and 10 is a slow speed for drives

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Sudanmas:

Sure – checking now

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kal:

when i'm watching tv and i find an interesting show to record, what i have to do ? Just pressing the R key to record or i make nothing and use the "live tv" mpeg file ?

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Sudanmas:

kormoc – the hdparm man pages are there, but the hdparm executable doesn't appear to be on any of my search paths – where does the app live?

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, you have to be root, and it'd be in /usr/sbin or /sbin

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kal:

because if use the live tv mpeg file, change to another channel and then comin back to the original channel, the live-tv mpeg file will be recovered ?

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Sudanmas:

I'm rooted

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kormoc:

kal, you'll lose the part you were not watching for, yeah, but that's just how it is

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kal:

no, what i mean is that :

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kal:

Suppose that im watching channel A, that i would keep the record live tv file. The show is finished, i zap to Channel B. Finally, i come back to channel A

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kal:

the final live tv mpeg file of channel A will bo recovered by the las time i zapped on channel A

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kal:

no ?

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kal:

(excuse my poor english ...)

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Sudanmas:

kormoc – hdparm seems to be mia – I'll try a ls -R

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Sudanmas:

| grep hdparm

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Sudanmas:

It found a hdparm.8.gz

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monolith:

hey all – hows it goin – just did hte upgrade to 0.19 + new themes + new OSD – wow – everything looks so sharp!

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monolith:

question though, how do i setup mythweb to work properly?

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kal:

what i would like is when i press the record key, file recorded has no auto expiration

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kal:

that's all that i would

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Sudanmas:

monolith – there's a good run through on the myth wiki about mythweb

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kal:

and i would like to know to why mythtv is always generating a 5MB mpeg file when we zap channel :/

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monolith:

Sudanmas, thanks – apprecaite the guidances

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kal:

this mpeg file containt a black frame and perturb the recorder viewer

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Sudanmas:

Kormoc – it looks like hdparm isn't installed on my system'

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kormoc:

Sudanmas, I gotta get goin, I'll be back later tonight

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monolith:

alright – im still having trouble with this whole mythweb thing

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Chris97b:

hello, all. Having a bit of trouble getting LIRC to control my cable box. I'm using a PVR150 to control a DCT2000 box. Installed lirc according to Mark's guide, and his send_power script was able to turn off the box

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Chris97b:

I copied over the lircd.conf from sourceforge for the DCT2000, but when I try to send a signal, I get the following in dmesg:

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Chris97b:

lirc_pvr150: failed to get data for code 0, key 9200 — check lircd.conf entries

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