Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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kgbudz:

and its working

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scopeuk:

ok

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kgbudz:

for some reason, this certain show

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scopeuk:

hmm

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kgbudz:

errors

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scopeuk:

sam tuner?

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kgbudz:

yup

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kormoc:

is it a bad recording?

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marmoset:

xris: you have a second for a nuvexport question?

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kgbudz:

no, im doing mpeg2 lossless commercial cut

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xris:

marmoset: depends on what it is. ask away.

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kgbudz:

like where would i find details on this error?

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marmoset:

xris: on a frontent machine it's saying no valid recordings available, any common causes?

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marmoset:

er, frontend

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marmoset:

works fine on the backend machine

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kormoc:

kgbudz, you could try running it by hand

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kgbudz:

how do i do that?

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kgbudz:

whats the command

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kgbudz:

marmoset, ive had that problem, i could be wrong, but i believe nuvexport doesnt run remotely...

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marmoset:

oh, maybe it doesn't

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kormoc:

kgbudz, that I wouldn't know

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marmoset:

kgbudz: oh, ok, maybe that's it. I used it in the past remotely, but I think I was telling it the files specifically on the command line (as part of a userjob)

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kgbudz:

i thought nuvexport was interactive only...?

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xris:

marmoset: files mounted in the correct location?

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marmoset:

nah, you can specify everything, I had it auto-reencoding stuff a while ago :)

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xris:

kgbudz: works fine remotely.

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kgbudz:

like i used to run nuvexport and it wouldnt list episodes on my slave server

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kgbudz:

it would only list episodes on the master

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marmoset:

kgbudz: ah, that's what I want tho

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kgbudz:

like i had all the slave video directories nfs'ed on the master

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kgbudz:

same locations

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marmoset:

xris: yeah, everything's mounted fine as far as I can tell, the frontend plays just fine. Does it use a DB entry or a find to figure out what to reencode?

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xris:

kgbudz: it can only interact with files on the machine.

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kgbudz:

right, thats what i figured

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xris:

marmoset: it looks for RecordFilePrefix (which would be /path/to/recordings/) for the current host.

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xris:

compares the files in there vs what it sees in the db.

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marmoset:

ok, thanks, I'll check that out

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kgbudz:

xris, i noticed that mpeg2 commercial cut has been removed from the latest nuvexport???

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xris:

kgbudz: yeah. mythtv does it natively now.

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kgbudz:

ya, thats the job which is erroring for me right now

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kgbudz:

trying to figure out a way to get this show commecial cut

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marmoset:

xris: sweet, that was it, RecordFilePrefix was wrong for that front end for some reason, fixed it and it comes up fine

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marmoset:

thanks

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marmoset:

xris: I mentioned to ken and art the other day that we were buying servers from you guys because of this channel ;)

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xris:

L)

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xris:

marmoset: I think he knows. mythtv has been good to simech. this channel got me kormoc, too.

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xris:

a fair amount of mythweb code is paid for by simech, too.

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marmoset:

nice

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marmoset:

I like mythweb

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kgbudz:

i think i just broke my backend

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xris:

that's one reason why I LGPL'd a bunch of mythweb's libraries. makes it simpler for bringing code back and forth from work.

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kgbudz:

everytime it starts up, it tries running this job

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kgbudz:

which crashes it

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xris:

kgbudz: stop the backend, delete the job from the jobqueue table.

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kgbudz:

o werd

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kgbudz:

i will try that

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xris:

marmoset: heck, we have a mythbox installed in the breakroom

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marmoset:

heh, nice

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marmoset:

on a q500? ;)

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xris:

granted, the plasma tv hasn't been there for a week or so.

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xris:

lol, I'd love that. no, just some random hardware and a 250G drive.

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xris:

might need more drive space if I ever have time to put this hd5000 card in, though

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marmoset:

I think we're up to 6 of those beasts now

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xris:

those are nice machines. would LOVE one for my garage.

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xris:

couldn't even get one when a table broke and 2 fell off....

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marmoset:

ouch

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

guy next to it caught one of them (impressive, considering they weigh 80+ lbs), but 2 slid off onto the floor and got some nasty dents in the case.

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xris:

no idea what happened to them. insurance, probably.

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marmoset:

heh, we'll buy them cheap!

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marmoset:

;)

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marmoset:

ah well

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xris:

well, that was many months ago...

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marmoset:

ah

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kormoc:

over a year even

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marmoset:

I like the back bay for the two drives that's available now

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marmoset:

I think we were the first ones to order that ;)

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kgbudz:

what are you guys talking about

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marmoset:

big file servers

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xris:

kgbudz: siliconmechanics.com

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marmoset:

24 bay sata

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kormoc:

kgbudz, http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i2901/serial- . . . e-server.php

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xris:

marmoset: yeah, I'm glad that they finally added that... only other option like that with OS drives was a nasty ASI case that was basically a 4u bolted to a 1u.. and I think it was extra-wide and wouldn't fit into most racks.

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rsquared:

kormoc: that thing just uses a CI Designs chassis

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xris:

rsquared: yes

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xris:

hmm, maybe not ASI.. I forget the brand. that old one with the purple handles on the drive carriers.

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marmoset:

is there a clear winner for an HDTV card?

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danThePerson:

Greetings

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kgbudz:

how much space you got on that machine?

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xris:

marmoset: I think they're pretty close these days... pchdtv or hd5000 (formerly air2pc)

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marmoset:

kgbudz: we've got 8TB on each of ours

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marmoset:

depends on the drives you put in tho

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Jasper:

hmm I think bmk789 is gonna have a hard time writing his OS kormoc :P having no experience at all

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marmoset:

and if you use raid 10 vs raid 5, etc

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rsquared:

marmoset: nice.. we're thinkin of building one for backup staging

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bmk789:

im building from debian, i know debian pretty well

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Juski:

6.5 minutes left on rendering this here mpeg2

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Jasper:

hmm I thought you were gonna build from scratch

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Jasper:

:P

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bmk789:

debians easier and itll work

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Jasper:

I started working from scratch tonight bmk789 :P

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danThePerson:

So i'm trying to get a remote front-end working. I've got mysql listening on eth0, and setup a mysql user for myth@%, the front end now gets further and brings up the menu, but when i try to do anything e.g. Watch Live TV, it says it can't connect to the backend... but it is connected right?

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bmk789:

is it a race?

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marmoset:

rsquared: we get them in pairs, I've given up trusting any kind of hardware :)

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Jasper:

no cuz I will never win it

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Jasper:

:P

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rsquared:

lol marmoset yeah.. i hear you, but it would temporary storage for us

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xris:

danThePerson: firewall on mythtv ports?

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Jasper:

I've been busy writing the bootloader tonight bmk789

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bmk789:

cool

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marmoset:

rsquared: simech has been way better than other vendors for reliability, but I've just grown to loath hardware in general

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Jasper:

no it's not..

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Jasper:

fucking fat systems

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xris:

marmoset: you're not the only ones.. livejournal sets everything up in pairs... and then often mirrors the pairs.

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danThePerson:

no firewall im aware of. didn't have to do anything to open up mysql, except get mysql itself listening on eth0

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Jasper:

so how are you starting bmk789 ?

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xris:

danThePerson: telnet backend_ip 6535

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bmk789:

jasper: debian in a virtual machine, havent got xen running yet

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danThePerson:

Running from a console i can see that it is trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 even though it's just connected to the remote backend

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danThePerson:

2006-03–03 00:19:33.583 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: rebirth

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danThePerson:

2006-03–03 00:19:33.860 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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Jasper:

so what are you gonna do yourself bmk789 ?

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aVirulence:

Hi everyone, I'm getting a database error: 'Duplicate entry '' for key 4' over and over and over on the console output for mythbackend when I try to watch tv with mythfrontend, is there someone that can help me?

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xris:

danThePerson: rerun mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

bmk789, if you're gonna make this a general distro, you'll want to use qemu with kqemu rather then make it xen aware.

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bmk789:

qemu works in gentoo?

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kormoc:

of course

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kormoc:

why wouldn't it?

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aVirulence:

bmk789, it runs quite well

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bmk789:

idk i read on the site it wasnt on the supported list

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Jasper:

kormoc at the rate I'm going now...I will have irc up and running in about 5 years

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Jasper:

:P

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danThePerson:

xris: run that on the backend box?

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aVirulence:

bmk789, it is in portage

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xris:

danThePerson: on the new frontend.

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bmk789:

cool

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kgbudz:

has anyone else had a problem with the frontend being extremely sluggish on .19?

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xris:

you have to run it on each box you configure for mythtv

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xris:

need to tell it where the backend is.

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rsquared:

i wonder if you could take a 1394 controller, remove the chip and add one that had 5c

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rsquared:

heh

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rsquared:

i think i'm trying to hard now

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danThePerson:

hmm, im on OS X, i can't see any mysql-setup program, it's only got the frontend

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aVirulence:

bmk789, try to use the kqemu use flag to enable acceleration

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Jasper:

but bmk789 what's gonna be special on your distro?

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xris:

danThePerson: mythtv-setup... dunno, then. thought it asked you on first-run.

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aVirulence:

no one has an idea about my database problem?

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danThePerson:

yeah it asked on the first run, and i put in the backend server name. It connects to the backend server, and then trys to connect to localhost once it has connected as you can see in the console log

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bmk789:

itll have mythttv openmosix and stuff pre-setup, ill write some easy UI software in java too

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xris:

danThePerson: then make sure the backend is also configured with a real IP for the "master backend"...

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kormoc:

dant, you need to run mythtv-setup on the backend and change the master backend ip to one that is externally accessable

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xris:

bmk789: what's the point of openmosix with mythtv?

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danThePerson:

hmm... so the front-end connects to the backend, and then asks the backend for the ip of the backend server?

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xris:

danThePerson: the master backend, yes.

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xris:

backend != master backend.

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bmk789:

xris: to migrate threads if needed when transcoding

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kormoc:

bmk789, you'll lose a lot of performance via latency

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bmk789:

not much with gigabit

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xris:

bmk789: yeah, video transcoding doesn't work so well with mosix.. it likely won't migrate

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kormoc:

sure you will

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bmk789:

dvd::rip can cluster

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danThePerson:

i can just change that setting in the database right? Save taking the backend down running setup and starting the backend again

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bmk789:

brb

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xris:

danThePerson: don't have to take the backend down to do that

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kormoc:

bmk789, sending a raw 800x600x32 frame takes 117.1875 megabites per frame. You would saturate gigabit at 9 frames per second

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xris:

kormoc: you forget about network overhead.

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dasOp:

where do you get those values from?

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kormoc:

xris, that's why I gave it 9 fps rather then 10

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xris:

gigabit rarely pulls more than 300–400Gb

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xris:

er, Mb

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kormoc:

dasOp, 800 x 600 x 32 bytes = 117.1875 megabits, for raw frame data

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dasOp:

well its not bytes, its bits

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kormoc:

oops!

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kormoc:

so I'm off by a factor of 8 :P

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dasOp:

which gives us around 1.83mb/sec

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dasOp:

worse

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kormoc:

14.6 megabits

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aVirulence:

is there anyone that can help me with my database error: 'Duplicate entry '' for key 4' over and over and over on the console output for mythbackend when I try to watch tv with mythfrontend

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kormoc:

at 300 mbit, that's 20 fps or so

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dasOp:

1920000 bytes :P

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xris:

aVirulence: would help to have the rest of the query

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dasOp:

around 1.83 mbytes

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dasOp:

so yeah, still hard pushed on regular gbit without optimizing the ipstack

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kormoc:

yup

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** kormoc nods **

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bmk789:

ok then, dual gigabit networks in full-duplex

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dasOp:

it can be done, no problem

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aVirulence:

xris, sure: http://pastebin.com/581182

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dasOp:

I've pushed around 75mb/sec for a single connection

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marmoset:

bmk789: you're going to hve to have some really high end machines to get over 200–300MBit aggregate on a machine

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dasOp:

rather optimized conditions though

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marmoset:

just fyi

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bmk789:

fibre channel

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bmk789:

idk ill figure somethin out

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dasOp:

fibre channel isnt the network interface

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marmoset:

64 bit pci with 66mhz

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dasOp:

but yes, you'll need decent storage

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marmoset:

just saying, encoding hd video is hard to parallelize

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xris:

aVirulence: you could just delete the matching entry

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Jasper:

bmk789 you're planning on making this a mainstream distro?

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kormoc:

bmk789, is transcode openmosix aware?

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marmoset:

bmk789: it doesn't need to be openmosix aware

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

kormoc: it doesn't need to be openmosix aware

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marmoset:

it's transparent

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aVirulence:

xris, erm, would you happen to know what query I should use for that?

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kormoc:

marmoset, it's not threaded, so eather it needs to be redone as threading or openmosix aware

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marmoset:

nope

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kormoc:

ooh?

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dasOp:

nothing is truly transparent

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marmoset:

I know

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marmoset:

but openmosix migrates processes not threads

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marmoset:

and only if they meet certain conditions

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kormoc:

how would it split a process among many computers then?

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dasOp:

yes. it still isnt gonna help a regular single threaded app one bit

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marmoset:

it doesn't

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kormoc:

that's his goal

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marmoset:

not gonna work

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marmoset:

unless there's multiple things encoding at once

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marmoset:

it's possible you could use a parallel library

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marmoset:

like mpi

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marmoset:

but I don't know if anyone's gotten that to work

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dasOp:

and as marmoset says, there's way too many passes and too much lookahead involved in hd encoding for it to parallelize properly

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bmk789:

ok if y'all wwanna put down my OS, do it in #medeix

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marmoset:

bmk789: I'm not saying don't do it, just that there's a lot of complexity :)

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dasOp:

you could chunk up the input, if you're willing to accept the overhead of massive encoding restarts

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marmoset:

bmk789: I'd also recommend waiting until the next version of openmosix is out, it'll be a huge improvement for you

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marmoset:

since it'll be 2.6 instead of 2.4.26

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dasOp:

that'd work fine with mpi

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Jasper:

LOL

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Jasper:

:P

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dasOp:

(if the transcoding app was mpi aware :P)

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Jasper:

wwhe medeix bmk789 ?

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dasOp:

which I doubt any app in that category is

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Jasper:

why even

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bmk789:

wwhe?

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kormoc:

bmk789, yeah, I do wish that your distro will take off, but I'm gonna tell you if something you say doesn't seem correct to me :P

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Jasper:

damn I need to think of a name for my distro

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Jasper:

:P

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dasOp:

yald

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dasOp:

there you go

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Jasper:

yald?

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marmoset:

yet another linux distribution

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marmoset:

;)

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dasOp:

come on, you should be able to figure that one out :P

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marmoset:

I'm guessing

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dasOp:

marmoset wins THE PRIZE :P

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marmoset:

heh

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Jasper:

dasOp I'm not going linux

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Jasper:

:P

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kormoc:

he's gonna write his own entire os

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dasOp:

yabd then

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Jasper:

kormoc convinced me last night

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Jasper:

:P

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dasOp:

I could wish you good luck but it'd be pointless :)

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kormoc:

I think Xunilton would be a good os name

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kormoc:

or Swodniwton

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Jasper:

I know dasOp but it's worth a try

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dasOp:

gotta put some perspective to it

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dasOp:

could you write a mythtv replacement?

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xris:

aVirulence: sorry, distracted by work. hopefully someone else can help you.

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aVirulence:

xris, okay no problem

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Jasper:

hmm dasOp no idea

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Jasper:

:P

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xpis:

Are there any utilities for debugging a mp3 stream (to see the size of each frame). Utilities like mpg123 don't output nearly enough information.

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dasOp:

jasper: I'd think writing an os is a greater task

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aVirulence:

xris, thanks for your help

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Jasper:

yeah but it will be fun dasOp that's all that matters :P

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dasOp:

xpis: never seen any. mine are all tied into testing frameworks. but its not many lines of code to write one

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dasOp:

Jasper: definitely. good luck! :P

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Jasper:

8)

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marmoset:

aVirulence: you could try stopping mysql and cd to the mysql db directory and do: myisamchk -o *.MYI

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Jasper:

oh btw dasOp it's gonna be only for usb sticks

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Jasper:

:P

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dasOp:

only bios access then

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dasOp:

writing an usb stack = no fun

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Jasper:

no I mean the complete os on a usb stick

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Jasper:

with a register on the normal hd

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aVirulence:

marmoset, thanks, do you know what the standard mysql dir is?

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marmoset:

aVirulence: which distribution?

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aVirulence:

marmoset, gentoo

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kormoc:

aVirulence, /var/lib/mysql/

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marmoset:

so like

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marmoset:

cd /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

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kormoc:

aVirulence, /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg for myth's db

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aVirulence:

wow, thanks everyone :) that seemed to fixed it :)

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marmoset:

cool

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Jasper:

I'm off

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Jasper:

goodnight

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** xris wants to finish beirdobot and get it logging this channel **

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xpis:

ok, this makes no sense. Lame streams recorded with mythtv are all exactly 128kbps.

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xpis:

Every single frame is 768 bytes.

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dasOp:

it uses cb?

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xpis:

It should be using vbr...

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dasOp:

if more than three frames in a row are 768 bytes, its a big chance its not

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xpis:

every single frame is 768 bytes.

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kormoc:

then it's CB

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xpis:

das0p: listen to this: https://matthewmiddleton.com/badsound.mp3 (13 second clip)

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dasOp:

sounds like crap

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dasOp:

like a mix of encoding errors, low bitrate and distortion

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dasOp:

not the first second tho

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xpis:

yes, I know

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dasOp:

wonder if the bad sound is the high freq, like cymbals or hihats

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xpis:

Not the first 1.538 seconds

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marmoset:

xris: so you wouldn't recommend either pchdtv or hd5000 over the other?

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xpis:

The bad sound lasts for the entire 2 hour recording.

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xris:

marmoset: I don't know anything about the pchdtv cards... but what I've heard recently is all good.

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marmoset:

ok, thanks

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marmoset:

I'll just get one and see how it works out, I'm getting sick of 4x3 ;)

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xpis:

das0p: it sounds like extremely low bitrate encoding in full sized frames.

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xris:

marmoset: I don't have anything to watch HD on... my air2pc is entirely a toy (but it was free)

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dasOp:

xpis: not exactly, you can still discern reasonably clear sound behind the crap, so to speak

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marmoset:

ah, gotcha

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sPiN:

hey everyone, im running pretty low on space and im wondering how transcoding works with mythtv... i cant seem to find any dialogs for transcoding in the frontend...

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marmoset:

I've got a 52" dlp, I'm ready for more widescreen content ;)

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xris:

all it does is frustrate me that I can't transcode 1080 into other formats...

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sPiN:

can someone point me to some docs on this topic or tell me where to look?

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xpis:

das0p: when I tried distorting sound in various ways to make it sound like that, the only thing that did the trick was mp3 encoding at 40kbps.

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xpis:

(with lame)

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xris:

sPiN: you want to just cut out commercials, or transcode into another format?

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sPiN:

both

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xris:

another format: nuvexport

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sPiN:

id like to put them into mp4 i guess

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dasOp:

xpis: cant imagine when I last heard a bitrate as low as that

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xris:

cut commercials.. set up the "transcode" recording profile for lossless... then just press X while watching (after you've created the cutlist)

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xris:

sPiN: if you don't select lossless, you'll transcode to nupplevideo files that are only playable within mythtv.

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xpis:

das0p: can you think of anything that could have caused it?

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xpis:

das0p: it has happened so far in two recordings, out of over a hundred total.

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sPiN:

ok i set all of the recording profiles for transcoders to lossless

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sPiN:

but i dont seem have this nuvexport

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xris:

sPiN: nuvexport is another program

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/

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sPiN:

and i guess this must be done from cmd line? there isnt a way to transcode into another format from the front end?

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sPiN:

thanks xris

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marmoset:

ok, cool, hdtv card ordered

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xris:

sPiN: no.. frontend only transcodes to mythtv-native formats, or lossless commercial cutting.

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xris:

marmoset: which one?

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** rsquared really hates dtcp/5c **

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rsquared:

like alot

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marmoset:

pchdtv

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xris:

cool

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sPiN:

i guess i should compile this myself right, instead of using the rpms, im on suse 10 64bit

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xris:

sPiN: it's perl

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xris:

noarch

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xris:

just a wrapper for ffmpeg/transcode

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marmoset:

I think one of the worst words ever invented is webinar

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xris:

lol

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sPiN:

hrmmm, it says mplayer is needed and perl-DBD-Mysql and i have both of those packages installed already

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sPiN:

and ive got transcode installed

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xris:

dunno. you could always just use the tarball install

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sPiN:

ok, did make install with the tarball and it seems kosher, got nuv stuff in my path now

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xpis:

das0p: I'm going to see whether it starts at the beginning of an mp3 frame, to make sure lame was at fault.

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sPiN:

but i dont see any docs what so ever, and the ones on the website are about using --debug

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xris:

sPiN: it's pretty self explanatory

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xris:

you run nuvexport and answer the questions

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xris:

read the nuvexportrc file if you want to know about config options

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sPiN:

ahh i was just trying that, sorry for the silly question

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sPiN:

thanks for the pointers xris. :)

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xris:

I really should just remove the nuvexport man pages.... Majestik hasn't sent me updates in ages.

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sPiN:

which format would recommend, i dont see mp4 on the list.. i would think i would want either divx or xviD

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marmoset:

xris: thanks for the help. I'll probably be down at simech in the next couple weeks for some consulting stuff, I'll try to drop by ;)

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kormoc:

xvid is nice overall

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xris:

I personally use xvid with --transcode (I think transcode looks slightly better than the default ffmpeg)

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xris:

marmoset: well, you have to walk by my office if you come in the front door

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marmoset:

cool

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Pio:

i like transcode better too

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Pio:

and xvid of course is #1 :)

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sPiN:

thanks guys, this is a neat little script here

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sPiN:

i opened then rc file and changed it to transcode

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Pio:

i hand-verify commercial flagging has all the edits i want, then nuvexport everything i record and archive it

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sPiN:

624x424? that doesnt seem right.. im ntsc

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xris:

sPiN: that's the average size of most recordings you find in bittorrent land, which is why I chose it.

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xris:

compensates for the 2% crop for broadcast overscan (against 720x480 source).

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xris:

and it's the correct multiple of 16 required by avi.

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stevenm:

Hello

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stevenm:

Does Mythtv 0.19 allow commercial skipping in live (but time offset) tv playback ?

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danThePerson:

well yup chaning that ip in the backend fix it. Shame you can't just give the frontend the master backend ip and have it use that.. night all

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xpis:

das0p: The bad sound starts at frame #64.

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xris:

danThePerson: eventually you won't need to give it anything.. zeroconf will handle all of it.

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stevenm:

and for some reason in program guide, if you select a program, say to record it, then change it back to 'Do not record this showing' – it STILL says Single Record – WIll record

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stevenm:

doesn't anyone listen ????

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Juski:

sometimes

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stevenm:

Juski, it is very strange behavior

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sPiN:

weird.. i set export_prog=transcode in the nuvexportrc file, but it said 'starting ffmpeg' when i began transcoding

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stevenm:

any ideas why it is doing this? Happened in 0.18, now in 0.19 too

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Juski:

stevenm: if you saved the setting for myth to record the show, then you'll have to go into the upcoming recordings screen to stop the recording taking place AFAIK

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stevenm:

Juski, what abomt skipping commercials in live tv? I hit Q or Z, nothing happens at all

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Juski:

erm... you can do realtime commflagging apparently

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kormoc:

stevenm, what would oyu want it to skip to?

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stevenm:

next blank frame

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stevenm:

like 0.18 used to

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stevenm:

except ever since upgrading to 0.19, NO commercial skipping works, ANYWHERE, including the recordings made with 0.18 which did have functional commercial skipping in 0.18

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stevenm:

WHY would this happen ?

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kormoc:

the auto comm skip doesn't work for me, but importing the cutlist (E Z E) works fine

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stevenm:

no I do not mean auto, I just mean typing Z during a recording. It simply says Not Flagged

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danThePerson:

ooh zeroconf/bonjour .. nice

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kormoc:

stevenm, does it show that it's flagged?

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stevenm:

kormoc, 0.18, you'd hit Z and it skipped commercial. 0.19 simply says not flagged

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kormoc:

stevenm, sure, but does the recording show that it's flagged? Or in other words, is the flagging process ever getting run?

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stevenm:

kormoc, no, I have never been running the flagging task. it would all work from simple blank frame detection, and would happen on the fly

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kormoc:

blank frames get detected by the commerical flagger, which if you're not running it, would be why comm flaggind doesn't work

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sPiN:

ok now i ran nuvexport with --transcode instead of relying on the rc file, and it appears to be moving much faster

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stevenm:

kormoc, has this been changed between 0.18 and 0.19 ?

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kormoc:

stevenm, nope, afaik, it's always needed to be run

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kormoc:

stevenm, why don't you try enabling it and see if that fixes your issue

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stevenm:

kormoc, you mean Automatically Flag Commercials ?

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

and set the method to blank frame if you just want blank frame detection

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stevenm:

kormoc, you mean the option, Commercial Flag New Recordings ?

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kormoc:

yup

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stevenm:

it is enabled

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kormoc:

welp then your flagger is running and not finding anything, or it's not running

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xris:

sPiN: odd. transcode is usually slower.

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sPiN:

ffmpeg was looking like it was gonna take several hours for a simpsons ep

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sPiN:

.40 fps

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sPiN:

and this transcode is at 4.10 fps and going up

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** kormoc blinks **

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xris:

sPiN: wow... that's bad. I usually get about 10–12fps on my 64 bit dual core p4

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kormoc:

what proc?

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xris:

ffmpeg is usually about 1fps slower

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sPiN:

amd 64bit 2800+

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xris:

er, faster

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xpis:

Sure enough, in both recordings, sound gets bad right at 64 frames, which is in the second 1-second buffer passed by mythtv.

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xpis:

In other words, a very sporadic, non-reproducible bug that destroys recordings. How nice.

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stevenm:

kormoc, here is what I am seeing. As soon as I start watching TV, the backend spits out an error to stdout (but tv plays)

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stevenm:

kormoc, error is, DB error (delta position map insert) Query was INSERT INTO recordedmarkup ..... Database error, Table 'recordedmarkup' is read only

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Captain_Murdoch:

stevenm, a couple versions ago, you could use "blank frame" with software encoding without having to run mythcommflag after recording because it would do blank-frame detection at record-time before it compressed the video.

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kormoc:

stevenm, that's your problem, you need to repair that table

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kormoc:

stevenm, it's in readonly mode, hence unable to store the flag marks

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kormoc:

stevenm, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/repair.html

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stevenm:

kormoc, very possible, last time commercials wouldn't flag, it was also a problem with this database. Last time it was repaired by running a database optimize script I got from this channel but this time it did not fix it

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stevenm:

kormoc, thank you. i will try now

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** SlicerDicer- waves at kormoc **

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kormoc:

hihi

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SlicerDicer-:

hey

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xris:

stevenm: get optimize_mythdb.pl from contrib

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xris:

it'll optimize and repair all tables in your mythtv db.

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SlicerDicer-:

I found a really odd issue kormoc :) its being worked around but maybe you might have a solution

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stevenm:

xris, I ran that earlier today, just now, didn't help, still saying the table is read only

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SlicerDicer-:

I am trying to use mtd... I run it at user level it cant create a folder in /tmp now /tmp has read write for all users so I am baffled why it works as root but not as user

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, ooh?

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kormoc:

stevenm, did you restart mysql?

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stevenm:

kormoc, after optimizing? yes

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, odd, what's the output?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: also /dev/hdc and /dev/ttyS3 wont hold permissions through reboot I forget how to do that hehe

[01:55:00]

kormoc:

those you'll need to edit your udev files

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: Error: could not create directory

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stevenm:

kormoc, it is strange. I am looking at the blank frame table (recordedmarkup). it is showing 161023 rows. it LOOKS fine

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh kormoc see I havent messed with udev enough figured it was a pebkac :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, does the directory already exist owned by a different user?

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SlicerDicer-:

/tmp ?

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kormoc:

stevenm, sure, if it can't insert new ones into it, it can't remove the old ones eather

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: drwxrwxrwt 9 root 331776 Mar 2 17:52 tmp

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SlicerDicer-:

heh its full read/write

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, /tmp/what_ever_dir_it_was_tring_to_create

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xpis:

Is there any reason the lame bitrate is locked at compression ratio 11?

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xpis:

(128kbps)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: it was trying to create /tmp/foo but was getting permission denied basicly when creating foo

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SlicerDicer-:

very odd I say

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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stevenm:

kormoc, yea, still saying table is read only

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, so what's the permissions on /tmp/foo?

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SlicerDicer-:

foo does not exist

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SlicerDicer-:

its trying to create foo

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kormoc:

stevenm, uhh, gonna have to check the log files, /var/log/mysql/blah

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, you sure?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

cause when I ran it as root it created foo just fine

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kormoc:

can your user touch /tmp/foo?

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bmk789:

everyone spam the spammer: alex@rambler.ru

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: just manually made a foo.txt fine so that means I can write to it as user

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kormoc:

bmk789, cause sending a known spammer a email with your return address is a great idea!

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, try mkdir /tmp/foo as the user

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SlicerDicer-:

worked

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kormoc:

hrm

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SlicerDicer-:

strange eh?

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kormoc:

now does launching the mtd work?

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh I am running it as root right now heh I got a task going I cant verify

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SlicerDicer-:

I was just wondering if you had ever heard of something that weird

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kormoc:

ahh

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stevenm:

kormoc, mythbackend spits out the error about table being readonly, but nothing shows up in the mysql logs besides server started/stopped, InnoDB starting, etc

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stevenm:

kormoc, I even cleared the logs out to be sure

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: its for sure strange thats all I can say hehe

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kormoc:

stevenm, very odd...

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: maybe its a issue with mtd?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, are you running ACL's?

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SlicerDicer-:

acl's?

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kormoc:

Access Control Lists

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kormoc:

and by asking what it means, it means very likely not

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh not that I am aware of heh

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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stevenm:

kormoc, at this point I'd settle for deleting that table and remaking it if needed. how to do?

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kormoc:

yeah, I donno why that would be.

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kormoc:

stevenm, log into mysql as root

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kormoc:

stevenm, USE mythconverg;

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stevenm:

kormoc, done

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kormoc:

DROP TABLE recordedmarkup;

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stevenm:

ok

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kormoc:

and I'm getting the create syntax, one sec

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: would adding mythtv to tty group in /etc/group make it to where it could use /dev/ttyS3?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause I dont know shit about udev heh

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kormoc:

stevenm, http://pastebin.ca/44291

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stevenm:

kormoc, awesome, thanks

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, likely

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SlicerDicer-:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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stevenm:

SlicerDicer-, why not chmod it something nice?

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Shdwdrgn:

anyone have experience using multiple tuner cards? I've got a tv-wonder-ve and a pvr-250; when I first boot up the pvr is working fine, but if I start watching the input from the tv-wonder and change channels, the pvr gets locked on whatever channel it's on and I can't change it again. This includes timed-recording shows, backend also can't change the channel.

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SlicerDicer-:

stevenm: cause when I reboot the permissions get reset?

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean sure I can chmod it everytime I reboot but thats just a pain heh

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stevenm:

SlicerDicer-, yea udev is bizzare like that, I just put it into my local rc file, so it gets chmodded each time

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kormoc:

as root: crontab -e, @reboot chmod blah blah

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Pio:

you are supposed to add it to udev.rules somehow

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Pio:

ive never done that stuff personally tho

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: good point

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dasOp:

udev has a conf file (which is undocumented and weird) where you can set things like that

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stevenm:

SlicerDicer-, er, have it chmod on every boot using rc.local or whatever

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SlicerDicer-:

I am afraid of udev

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SlicerDicer-:

it looks like jibberish to me heh

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dasOp:

on debian sarge it doesnt even autocreate md devices

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dasOp:

just finding out how to make it create those was a mess

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kormoc:

of course

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kormoc:

KERNEL="ttyS3", MODE="0777"

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kormoc:

should work as well

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stevenm:

kormoc, does not like that mysql code... does not like 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 8

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kormoc:

stevenm, what version of mysql?

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kormoc:

stevenm, if it's 5 or less, just leave off the DEFAULT CHARSET thing

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kormoc:

erm, if it's less then 5, leave it off

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stevenm:

kormoc, 4.0.25

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stevenm:

kormoc, alright

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SlicerDicer-:

KERNEL=="ttyS[0–9]*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="tts/%n", GROUP="tty"

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc thats what it says so by adding myself to tty group it should be golden

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** SlicerDicer- crosses fingers **

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kormoc:

sure, or tack on a , MODE="0mode"

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stevenm:

kormoc, no error this time.. now just waiting for a commercial

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stevenm:

kormoc, and starting/ending live tv now is more responsive

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kormoc:

yay

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stevenm:

kormoc, now, and I never thought I would say this, waiting for a commercial

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defaultro:

good evening guys

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defaultro:

is xris around?

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stevenm:

kormoc, still not working! no error messages, but just says 'Not Flagged'

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kormoc:

hrm, I'll be back in a bit

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** kormoc waves **

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xris:

defaultro: just about to head home.

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xris:

holy crap it's an hour later than I thought.

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xris:

later

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defaultro:

no worries, I think I got it

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DartmanX2:

question: can nuvexport change a 720x480, 4400/6000 bitrate mpeg-2 to 352x480, 2200/3300?

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ChanServ sets mode +v xris

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Kelerion:

here's the man to ask

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rtsai:

xris: is home already?

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Kelerion:

I presume so

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rtsai:

21:21 <+xris> defaultro: just about to head home.

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rtsai:

sweet commute

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phar0e:

shouldn't I be able to tell mythtv that anything on channel X should be recorded using encoder Y? or will it only work if I setup two of the same set of sources?

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[PII]DrSpaceMonk:

anybody know how to check what dependancies I'm missing for transcoding?

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Kelerion:

wb foxster

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sphing:

startkeylogger

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sphing:

guess no one is using norton

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Kelerion:

or windows :P

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sphing:

yea I guess this isnt the best channel to try that

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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xris:

rtsai: my current commute is about 12 minutes.

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xris:

company moves in a few months and it'll be an hour

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GreyFoxx:

heh I've changing jobs after tomorrow.... I have a 10–15 minute commute ... going to 30 minutes assuming traffic isn't horrible

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GreyFoxx:

and hour each way would be a little much

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xris:

GreyFoxx: 25 miles

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xris:

not quite sure what the commute will be like. I'll probably shift my hours and go back to telecommuting at least once/week

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xris:

hard to say now that I have underlings, though

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GreyFoxx:

the new jobs has flex hours so I cancome and go as I please as long as the work gets done. And work from home a couple days a week if I want

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, that can be a problem :)

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mishehu:

ugh.

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GreyFoxx:

I'll be hiring some grunts in a couple months

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mishehu:

it's always something...

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mishehu:

I get this nice snazzy new server chassis and all the parts for a new opteron server.

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mishehu:

and the server came with a ribbon-cable type cable to connect the front panel to the mobo... only problem, no pinout information on it, and the chassis is supermicro and the mobo is tyan...

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xris:

mishehu: tyan was your problem

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mishehu:

so instead of updating all systems to mysql 5.0.x

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mishehu:

xris: why so?

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xris:

which chassis is it, though?

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xris:

mishehu: they make crappy server boards.

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mishehu:

xris: sc743t.

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xris:

mishehu: got a pic?

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mishehu:

xris: donno, I know a lot of ppl who swear by tyan mobo's.

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mishehu:

xris: sec

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xris:

mishehu: fine for desktop. crappy for rackmount

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xris:

oh, tower server, not rackmount

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mishehu:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U . . . 43T-R760.cfm

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mishehu:

the chassis is convertible tower/rackmount. but it's 4u

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mishehu:

so no riser cards or any of that nonsense.

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mishehu:

xris: anyway, it could be worse, it could be an intel mobo.

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xris:

oh, I see.. 3u convertible. cute.

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xris:

intel boards are great.

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xris:

supermicro boards do go best in supermicro chasses, though

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mishehu:

xris: the board itself is fine, there are two problems though: e1000 onboard, and the fact that it would then need to be a xeon

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mishehu:

(re intel)

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xris:

why xeon?

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mishehu:

xris: true, but I couldn't find a supermicro board that suited my tastes.

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mishehu:

xris: if I got intel mobo, I'd have to get a xeon proc.

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xris:

why, though?

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mishehu:

since they obviously don't make opteron boards.

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xris:

thought you said it was an athlon64, though

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mishehu:

nope, opteron

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xris:

ahh, gotcha.

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xris:

then yes, good choice.

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Kelerion:

can I find out what a particular frontend is watching?

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xris:

Kelerion: status page in mythweb, maybe.

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xris:

mishehu: we tend to go back and forth between tyan and MSI for our opteron boards... until supermicro finally started making good ones.

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mishehu:

xris: the weird thing is that I already have a dual proc xeon board in an sc742 chassis (it's similar, but not as nice as the sc743)

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xris:

but we might be able to get boards that aren't out on the general market yet.

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mishehu:

and it came with the octopus cables for the front panel

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Kelerion:

nah.. thats just the backend status'

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mishehu:

xris: are msi opteron boards pretty nice?

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xris:

mishehu: I think it depends on the specific board. like I said, we went back and forth between them and tyan for awhile...

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mishehu:

xris: ah, well, I was always afraid to touch msi.

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mishehu:

didn't know anybody who used them ever.

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xris:

mishehu: tyan has a nasty habit of putting the power connector right in the middle of the board. that's death to a 1u

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mishehu:

oh, and since I had such problems with my telephony card (to interface my voip system to a pots line), I put the telephony card into an epia mini itx box.

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mishehu:

xris: hmm... this is what I got -> yan S2892G3NR Dual Socket 940/nForce Pro.2200 Motherboard

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mishehu:

it's got the power connectors on the edge right near the rear panel

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mishehu:

so it's really close to the power supply in this chassis.

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mishehu:

it was the intel mobo that I actually had to string an atx 2.0 extension to reach the power.

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xris:

looks like we're entirely using supermicro boards now.

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xris:

probably because SM listens to us when we ask for features, etc.

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mishehu:

welp, listening is good, especially if they listen and do

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xris:

yeah

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mishehu:

do something that is

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xris:

what's the machine for, anyway?

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mishehu:

it's a combination of a file/print server, media file transcoder, development platform (php, c, and c++), and a db server (including the mythconverg)

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mishehu:

oh and a voip server

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xris:

heh

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mishehu:

what pisses me off tonight is that tomorrow the intel server is going off to a client's office, and I'll be without a real server until we can get the octopus cables.

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mishehu:

woah

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mishehu:

holy shit. I DO have this stupid cable. it got buried under the boxes.

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xris:

lol

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mishehu:

this is what happens when you lack sleep for weeks on end.

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mishehu:

I can't wait for the semester to be over, then I'll be done with classes.

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xris:

heh

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Yellow-Snow:

can someone explain this? http://www.members.cox.net/danielarbour/DSC00579.JPG

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Yellow-Snow:

and many of times when i select something via remote.. (idk if its the remote) i go to the next screen but i dont see orange bar or w/e to select something.. like it goes to the next screen but im stuck

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Yellow-Snow:

maybe thats Qt style fing up?

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rtsai:

does anyone else get double-logging of "Finished recording" messages in their backend logs (or in the database)?

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aquatic0384:

hi i have been trying to setup mythtv on fedora using the wilsonet tutorial. i am at the end and setting up the sql, where it says to make a password for it, and i tried the command that the tutorial said, mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='root'; but it didnt work so instead i used that mysql said and exited the sql and typed in /usr/bin/mysql/admin -u root password 'password'

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aquatic0384:

any help?

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xris:

aquatic0384: you haven't asked a question yet.

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aquatic0384:

oh i want to be able to finish the tutorial

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aquatic0384:

and remove that password i made

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aquatic0384:

:)

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aquatic0384:

so how can i do that?

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aquatic0384:

is there like a way to reset mysql?

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xris:

mysqladmin -u root password 'password'

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xris:

?

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aquatic0384:

right but the tutorial says to get into mysql, and type

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aquatic0384:

mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='root';

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aquatic0384:

and now i cannot get into mysql

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aquatic0384:

i type this

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aquatic0384:

mysql -u root mysql

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aquatic0384:

and it denies me

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aquatic0384:

it says

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aquatic0384:

access denied for user ''@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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flindet:

type mysql -u root -p

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flindet:

the -p means to challenge you for the password

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aquatic0384:

ok that will let me change the password

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aquatic0384:

what is the default one?

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flindet:

oh, I don't know thatit will let you change it

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flindet:

it just challenges you for it

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aquatic0384:

k hang on

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flindet:

it looks like you set your password to ROOT_PWD

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xris:

aquatic0384: default password is blank

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aquatic0384:

ok right now i am in mysql

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flindet:

very nice

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xris:

aquatic0384: type: FLUSH PRIVILEGES

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xris:

oh, and a ; at the end of that

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aquatic0384:

did that

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aquatic0384:

went through

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xris:

aquatic0384:

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xris:

now exit mysql

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aquatic0384:

k

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xris:

mysqladmin -u root -p password 'pick_a_password'

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aquatic0384:

right now that will work

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aquatic0384:

i did that before

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xris:

aquatic0384: why won't it work?

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xris:

the -p makes it ask you for a password

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aquatic0384:

no that does work

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aquatic0384:

it does

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aquatic0384:

hang on

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aquatic0384:

ok let me take a step back

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aquatic0384:

i think sql is working for now

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aquatic0384:

before this i was trying to install myth

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Blerghass:

When I press page down in the guide, myth hits the hard drive for about a second and then shows the new page. If I then go back to the previous page, it's fast. I have a gig of RAM, my hard drive seems to be performing fine, and nothing is showing up in the myth logs. It's a pretty bare-bones front end plus backend. Any idea why this is happening?

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kormoc:

it's caching the old page likely

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aquatic0384:

and after a lengthy download/whatever, it gave me an error and stopped the error was missing dependency: libavcodec51 = 0.4.9–12_cvs20060215.rhfc4.at is needed by package ffmpeg

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Blerghass:

I understand that, I'm concerned about why it's hitting the hard drive for the new pages. I'm under the impression that it's not normal.

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Blerghass:

At least not for a full second

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kormoc:

the database is stored one the hard drive

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a1fa:

hi

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kormoc:

it all depends on the caching your mysql is setup to do

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Blerghass:

So do you think if I change some settings this behavior will change?

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Blerghass:

mysql settings

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kormoc:

yeah, likely

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kormoc:

you can try running the optimize script too, as it might help rmeove some overhead

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Blerghass:

Thanks for your help, I'll look around

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Blerghass:

By the way, has anybody here had good experiences with the FireWire capture and channel change route? Just curious

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .pl?rev=9253

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kormoc:

there's the optimize_mythdb script

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mishehu:

so I wonder if there's any plans to switch the querying to prepared statements...

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kormoc:

does QT support prepared statements?

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mishehu:

that's a good question. I though that the mysql connector for qt was mostly just a wrapper.

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Blerghass:

One thing I noticed also is that the guide seems to load an entire day of programming for each channel, when that is generally not necessary. A code change might make it faster to browse...

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znoG:

hi all, anyone know what this is about?

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znoG:

Waited too long for mythtranscode to create its fifos. Please try again.

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znoG:

(when using nuvexport)

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kormoc:

znoG, mythtranscode is dieing, and you'll have to follow the debug instructions to figure out why

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aquatic0384:

ok well next step in the tutorial is to run this $ mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/database/mc.sql

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aquatic0384:

and i try

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aquatic0384:

but it just says no such file or directory

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DSC22:

There a way to fix a corrupt database?

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aquatic0384:

but it just says no such file or directory

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kormoc:

aquatic0384, you'll ned to find where mc.sql is on your computer

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kormoc:

DSC22, look up repaire in the mysql manual

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znoG:

kormoc: i've found its only if i enable cutlists that it fails to start

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aquatic0384:

grrr

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aquatic0384:

i cant find sql

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aquatic0384:

i havent moved anything

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aquatic0384:

it is all default

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znoG:

kormoc: well known error by the look of it, but no solution

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kormoc:

aquatic0384, it all depends on your distro package

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aquatic0384:

ahh

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aquatic0384:

i see

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aquatic0384:

well i thought i had done everything the same as the tutorial

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . sql?rev=9253

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kormoc:

you can download it at the bottom, in Original Format

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aquatic0384:

i will look

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ChrisAshton84:

hi, quick alsa setup question (I've read all the wikis / howtos) – I have my tv sound coming in on mic on my audigy soundcard. I've got output device ALSA:default, mixer device default, and mixer controls PCM, but I don't get any sound – any tips?

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Shdwdrgn:

so what's the trick to getting mythplugis to work? I ran through the install, have most of them compiled and have the new folders in /usr/share/myth/ but when I restart frontend nothing new is showing up?

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xris:

Shdwdrgn: how may versions of mythfrontend do you have installed?

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Shdwdrgn:

just 0.19

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Shdwdrgn:

hmm wait.. I did initially install 0.17

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Shdwdrgn:

so if there's a problem, where would I find it?

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achew22:

Hey, is anyone in here farmiliar with lirc?

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Shdwdrgn:

no further than make install :-)

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achew22:

dang

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achew22:

well while I was waiting for that I fixed another problem... so thanks anyways I guess

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Shdwdrgn:

ah crap found it... it installed the plugins to /lib/myth instead of /usr/lib/myth. Working now

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phar0e:

helloooo mr. chris, should my nuvexport to xvid from an HD recording only be going at 1.5fps or is something probably wrong? I have a 2.2GHz machine with 1.5GB of ram

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diode:

when i run irexec while lircd is running and irw works, all i get is "sh: Key: command not found"...

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diode:

any suggestions?

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aquatic0384:

ok when i run yum install mythtv-suite it goes through a huge list and then says Error: Missing Dependency: libavcodec51 = 0.4.9.12_cvs20060215.rhfc.at for package: ffmpeg

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aquatic0384:

something like that

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aquatic0384:

what can i do

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rtsai:

heh

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rtsai:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/03/004215

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Shdwdrgn:

wow

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phar0e:

startkeylogger

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Beirdo:

start-fart-logger

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aquatic0384:

ok is there a better way to download and install mythtv other than yum install mythtv-suite

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aquatic0384:

anyone?

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sPiN:

guys this seems crazy... it took 4H 11M to transcode a 30 min simpsons episode using nuvexport --transcode on a athlon 64 with 1GB of ram

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aquatic0384:

k so no one can tell me why yum install mythtv-suite isnt working?

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Cardoe:

sPiN: MythTV 0.19?

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sPiN:

yessir

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aquatic0384:

yeah

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Cardoe:

sPiN: I know someone else who's having the same issue

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sPiN:

the video looks great, but it doesnt seem like it should take 4 hours to encode...

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sPiN:

also, it did not take out commercials even though they were flagged in mythtv...

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sPiN:

is that differen from a

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sPiN:

'cutlist'Â¿

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Chutt:

anyone able to test current svn for me real quick?

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Chutt:

current, meaning 9254

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fozi:

yes compiling now

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ip_goat_rodeo:

When US terrestial HD stations broadcast movies, what mode do they usually put them in?

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ip_goat_rodeo:

Because when they get shown here its always in 1180i but it looks crappy like they just doubled-up scan lines on an NTSC recording.

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jmblack:

when trying to start mythbackend using the startup script included with the FC4 RPMS the backend dies, when manually running under a user it works fine, but is understandably inconvient ;)

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jmblack:

006-03–02 23:54:36.848 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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jmblack:

2006-03–02 23:54:36.936 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt 2006-03–02 23:54:36.941 Trying to create a basic mysql.txt file

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jmblack:

it appears to be looking for the ~/.mythtv stuff... but when its expecting it to be when started from init I dont have a clue

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armand:

check out /etc/mythtv

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Gumby:

jmblack: I can send you a FC4 startup script that works fine with FC4 rpm installed mythtv

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jmblack:

Gumby: can you eamil or link to it by chance? dcc isnt going to play nice with my firewall setup I doubt...

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fozi:

Chutt: it's unusable slow (matrox G450), but looks nice

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Chutt:

heh

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Chutt:

need decent opengl :p

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jmblack:

I copied a working ~/.mythtv directory to /etc/mythtv which didnt seem to change the errors spewed by mythbackend when starting from init

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Chutt:

i just need to add a setting for the qt painter and fix up the menu code a little bit more, and then it'll be faster

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Chutt:

but no transition effects

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fozi:

yes of course, couldn't decide on a PCIexpress card

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fozi:

the watch recordings screen is not yet converted

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Chutt:

nothing but the menus are.

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Gumby:

jmblack: http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/files/mythbackend

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Gumby:

that works great for me with ATRPMS mythtv install

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diode:

when i run irexec while lircd is running and irw works, all i get is "sh: Key: command not found"...

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diode:

any suggestions?

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Agrajag-:

#lirc

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diode:

k thanks

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eiggirC:

startkeylogger

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eiggirC:

see who is infected here :)

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Arkkis:

eiggirC, I tought that typing that only closed the connection on your computer, and that if you had a certain version of certain firewall

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phar0e:

stopkeylogger

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RancidLM:

is there a web based remote for myth tv.. so i can use my pc to change the channels on my mythtv box?

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RancidLM:

??

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threat:

probably

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Calroth:

http://studwww.ugent.be/~aveys/mythwifi/

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Shdwdrgn:

anyone have experience using multiple tuner cards? I've got a tv-wonder-ve and a pvr-250; when I first boot up the pvr is working fine, but if I start watching the input from the tv-wonder and change channels, the pvr gets locked on whatever channel it's on and I can't change it again. This includes timed-recording shows, backend also can't change the channel.

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Juski:

Kelerion, you around this morning?

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Calroth:

Shdwdrgn: got that with 0.18 (one analog card and one dvb-t), i think i got it with 0.19, got tired of the analog card, and removed it

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Shdwdrgn:

hmm bummer

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Shdwdrgn:

I'm not having much luck finding a solution online

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Shdwdrgn:

the problem seems to happen when I reset bttv to card=2... for some reason I can't get it to default that way on boot, but when I rmmod and reinsert is, that's when the 250 stops working

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phar0e:

Greetings my friends!!!!!!

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phar0e:

ok obviously I have none, back to my corner

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Shdwdrgn:

hehe

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Juski:

mornin'

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phar0e:

morning juski!

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Juski:

this weekend I will mostly be installing CCTV cameras on my house

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eiggirC:

Juski: word of advice – keep the roadway out of shot if you can

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Juski:

bollocks to that

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eiggirC:

why?

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Juski:

I know what's legal & what's not.. but we've got some local scallies going round smashing people's wing mirrors off

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eiggirC:

I get so much false positive cos my camera can see the road

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Juski:

so er.. to hell with 'privacy'

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eiggirC:

oh sorry – thats not what I was talking about

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Juski:

I'll be using a proper cctv DVR.. 4 channel, 50 pictures/sec, networkable

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eiggirC:

Juski: motion is a nice piece of software

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eiggirC:

oh okay

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eiggirC:

you have money to spend on it :)

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Juski:

er no I was given it by work

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eiggirC:

I used an old VHS camera and a spare saa7134 card.

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Juski:

heheh

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eiggirC:

fwoah! can I come work for you?

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eiggirC:

anyway – g'ngiht all

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Juski:

yeh you can do all the crappy jobs for me ;-)

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eiggirC:

Juski: good luck with teh camera

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Juski:

night eiggirC

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Juski:

cheers

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eiggirC:

Juski: good luck with teh cameras

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, is mythnotify (from contrib directory) functional? The readme mentions patches to mythtv, but none are there, so I guess the question is, are they integrated in mythtv or?

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Shdwdrgn:

Calroth you still here? I found the solution with using the dual tuners

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Calroth:

shoot

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Shdwdrgn:

put the line "options bttv card=64 tuner=2" into /etc/modprobe.conf. It MUST be this file, it doesn;t work at all if you put that into modules.conf

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Shdwdrgn:

apparently modprobe.conf is called while the kernel is still loading, which is where dmesg showed me the modules were starting up. Modules.conf gets called after init 3

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Calroth:

hmm

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Calroth:

turns out I have it in both files

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Shdwdrgn:

seems to have fixed everything, I've rebooted a couple times to verify, but both tuners are actively working now and bttv is finally getting set right

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Calroth:

but they're auto-generated (for me) by gentoo

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Shdwdrgn:

weird

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Shdwdrgn:

you need NTSC or PAL?

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Calroth:

analog isn't enough of a big deal for me, i had another bug where you couldn't have a channel shared between analog and digital (the analog would lock on to the digital freq)

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Calroth:

so I gave up on it :-)

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Shdwdrgn:

huh

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Calroth:

i'm in pal land, fwiw

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Shdwdrgn:

I haven't seen that yet, had both cards set to the same channel and switched between them with no problem

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Shdwdrgn:

ahh... ok so you need tuner=19 for your setup

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Shdwdrgn:

I'm NTSC so I need 2

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phar0e:

damn juski is going to hunt down those scallies

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Shdwdrgn:

I couldn;t justify buying another pvr-250 when I already have this card, and I'm running on a duron 1600 with 512M ram, so it's had plenty of horsepower to record shows on both cards at the same time.

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Calroth:

i thought tuner= was implied by the card=

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Shdwdrgn:

nope, tuner is a seperate setting

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Shdwdrgn:

the wonder-ve is card=64, while pvr-250 card=2

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Shdwdrgn:

the tuner setting specifies what frequency table to use, I guess

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ivor:

oh now that story about norton firewall is funny, it's so very tempting to try it here.....

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Shdwdrgn:

anyway, I scheduled two shows to record at 5am (in a couple hours). I gotta get up at 7, so I'm outta here for now...

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Shdwdrgn:

I think someone already tried it

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ivor:

but that would be childish.

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ivor:

Shdwdrgn: bah missed it.

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Calroth:

according to linux/drivers/media/video/bttv-cards.c, tuner= is implied by card=

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ivor:

Shdwdrgn: did it work?

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** Shdwdrgn runs a linux firewall, so I'm not scared :-) **

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Shdwdrgn:

I haven't seen anyone drop out yet

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ivor:

hmmm.... browses around for busy irc channels. :D

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Shdwdrgn:

Calroth – I dunno... just know the default was wrong for my end

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Shdwdrgn:

night folks

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Calroth:

night shdwdrgn

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phar0e:

I dont run a linux firewall

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Juski:

phar0e: you're not kidding about me hunting down the scallies. I won't rest til the little c***s are caught

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Juski:

someone @ work just said "but if you have a camera on your house it'll make you a target". hmm.. so I do nothing? sod that

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Juski:

it'll help that the whole street has been affected though ;-)

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phar0e:

what is "sod that" ?

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stuarta:

it's the english way of saying f. that

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phar0e:

haha cool

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phar0e:

I wish isaac made people fill out a little form before downloading mythtv

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phar0e:

that had country and main purpose, just a short little thing before you download

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phar0e:

I'm curious the stats of who uses the software

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Chutt:

could i make them give me $5 too?

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phar0e:

no, but beirdo could for his excellent fart jokes

[10:13:00]

Chutt:

ah, ok

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phar0e:

Chutt: favourite TV show = ?

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Chutt:

hrm

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Chutt:

galactica, at the moment

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phar0e:

not a bad choice

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Chutt:

criminal minds, after that

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phar0e:

too bad one of the bigger HD networks doesn't carry the show

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Chutt:

it's on universal hd

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phar0e:

oh?!

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Chutt:

sundays at 8 + 11

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Chutt:

i think

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Chutt:

i got the channel for the olympics

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Chutt:

well, i may still have it, haven't checked =)

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phar0e:

before I started looking into bleeding edge HD I thought my cable company was pretty decent, now it just shows how much they slack

[10:18:00]

stuarta:

Juski: you seen today's flame bait on -dev list?

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Juski:

stuarta: no not yet

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stuarta:

thinks he can reimplement myth in 3000 lines of perl & a web browser :)

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

commflagging in perl? that'd be interesting

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stuarta:

try pausing your playback first :)

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Juski:

not had my digests yet, or maybe I did when I logged in this morning but I was too angry to notice

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stuarta:

only started 845am

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stuarta:

so unlikely it's in your digest

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ivor:

oh now I so want to reply to that last post........

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ivor:

but I just shouldn't

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ivor:

"Where would you like it"

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ivor:

I can think of somewhere.

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stuarta:

where the sun doesn't shine?

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ivor:

ta dum... tscch.

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ivor:

take your script... roll it up into a tight tube... and shove it as hard as you can right up your

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Chutt:

it's so tempting to just ban him, but i think it shall be funnier not to

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** Calroth doesn't see what people are getting so worked up about **

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Calroth:

so he's re-implemented it. so what?

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Chutt:

it's his attitude :p

[10:30:00]

Calroth:

people are taking it as a personal attack against themselves, or an attack against mythtv

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Chutt:

because it is

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Calroth:

so?

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Chutt:

read his first thread

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Calroth:

i've read the entire goddamn thing

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Chutt:

from last week?

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Chutt:

when was that..

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Calroth:

ok, i'll go back and check the dates on what I read :-p

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Chutt:

and, i'm _not_ worked up about it :p

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Chutt:

it's funny

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Calroth:

but seriously, if he wants to write something, let him write it, if he wants to trash mythtv, let him trash mythtv

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Calroth:

i couldn't care less

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Chutt:

<shrug>

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dtm:

if someone's trolling/flaming/abusing, it's still worth considering what that does to the external perception of mythtv and its community

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dtm:

just a thought.

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Chutt:

so far, no one's flamed anyone except him

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Chutt:

err, he doing it, not anyone else

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Calroth:

somewhat aside, a lot of what isaac says is pretty cold and/or dismissive stuff

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Calroth:

i still respect him tho :-)

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Juski:

it's only a mailing list ;-)

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Chutt:

you misread 'terse' as 'cold/dismissive'

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Calroth:

it comes across to me as cold/dismissive

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Chutt:

except for the people misusing trac

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Calroth:

am i alone in that? possibly

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Chutt:

then it's meant as it comes across

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Calroth:

but if we're talking about external perception of mythtv or the community, it's relevant

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Juski:

I don't think I've seen a single unjustified rebutal (sp?)

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Chutt:

Calroth, basically, i hate writing email. I spend as little time on it as possible. Most people misread my tone :p

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Chutt:

Calroth, and i'm Isaac, btw =)

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stuarta:

I was wondering if he knew that or not :)

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mchou:

ok, linky to flamefest pls? :)

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** Calroth looks at hostmask, it all makes sense :-) **

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stuarta:

mchou: it's only 2 hours old, probably won't be on an archive yet.

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mchou:

stuarta: what's the name of the dude who started it?

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Chutt:

he's never signed a name

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Chutt:

just an anon email address

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Calroth:

thread called "Interesting Comparison"

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mchou:

so he basically said he'd implement all of myth in perl or some such?

[10:46:00]

stuarta:

basically

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mchou:

ahh, ok, I see the thread now

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Calroth:

i read it, thought, "good for you", and hit the "mark thread as read" button

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Calroth:

but i note that it's gone to like 13 messages in the last hour :-p

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Chutt:

i'll put out another 'please don't feed the trolls'

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mchou:

lol, this dude is funny

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mchou:

KISS :)

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mchou:

hahah

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STemplar:

which mailing list is it?

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Chutt:

dev

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STemplar:

ok

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mchou:

"there is no database, only plain text files"

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mchou:

hahaha

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Chutt:

<shrug>

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Chutt:

it works if you have a few channels

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Chutt:

mplayer works if you don't need to modify it at all, same with mencoder

[10:50:00]

Chutt:

a browser would work if you don't care to, uh, use it on a tv

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mchou:

lol, a cron job also "works"

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Chutt:

that too

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mchou:

but that's hardly myth

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Chutt:

no, it's not

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mchou:

haha, Pinkham classic flingstones

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stuarta:

that was the funniest reply of the lot...

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STemplar:

I like the soapbox comparison :D

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mchou:

Chutt, someone should ask this guy if it works in Windows :)

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mchou:

cause it's written in perl, right? :)

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mchou:

mythtv was consuming all his cpu?

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mchou:

the dude must have a P2 with a dxr card :)

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STemplar:

"I think it's very bad that mythtv doesn't support HDTV support for a P2–200"

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STemplar:

lol

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mchou:

STemplar: I missed that one

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mchou:

linky?

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STemplar:

I made it up

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STemplar:

:D

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mchou:

well, that made my amusement quota for the day :)

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STemplar:

haha

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mchou:

I'd shudder to think of using molayer as an pvr interface :)

[11:07:00]

mchou:

mplayer*

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mchou:

I think this guy sould sell his plan to microsoft so they wont have to work on MCE :)

[11:09:00]

mchou:

think of all the development they'd save

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phar0e:

/dev/sound/dsp owned by root:audio 664, mythtv user part of the audio group, no reason to get permission denied on the device, correct?

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Juski:

mchou: their anti-competitive stuff (MCE being incorporated into Vista) might bite them anyway. I look forward to seeing that :-)

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greg_:

you should have r/w as muthtv then phar0e

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phar0e:

:D

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greg_:

you definately have the right path set in mythtv? wrong path often gives permission denied errors

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mchou:

Juski: bah, DRM is gonna bite MSFT

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phar0e:

yeah I got the path right, oh well not a big problem, just was making sure I wasn't going crazy

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greg_:

and did you relog after adding yourself to the audio group

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mchou:

Juski: never mind the anti-competitive stuff

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phar0e:

anyone here watch any programs at faster than 1.0 speed?

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greg_:

i think it only calulcates group permissions at login. i've seen that happen before

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phar0e:

greg_: that would make sense why it wasn't working, probably would need to relogin to mythtv and start the backend again

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Juski:

just read _the_ thread. he would've got away with it, if it wasn't for those pesky digs at the developers (bloated? buggy? hello!)

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greg_:

lol if someone wants to rewrite mythtv in 3000 lines of perl you should encourage him

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greg_:

it'll keep him busy and off the mailing lists

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greg_:

until he goes mental

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mchou:

maybe I should write a bash script instead :)

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mchou:

be less than 3000 lines :)

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greg_:

would you have xvmc support? i need that

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greg_:

:)

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Chutt:

he'd tell you to use mplayer

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greg_:

hehe

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mchou:

Chutt: maybe he thinks myth uses mplayer

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mchou:

:)

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Chutt:

<shrug>

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Chutt:

uses libavcodec, which gets you most of it

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Chutt:

and is responsible for a huge % of the loc count

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_Johannes1:

hola....I've a problem compiling mythtv with XvMC with the openchrome svn version Am i right here for questions ?

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mchou:

_Johannes1: you're in the right place. Whether you get a useful answer is a different question

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_Johannes1:

;-)

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_Johannes1:

ok so the autodetection for XvMc fails....(i've a unichrome pro card)

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mchou:

autodetectin?

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_Johannes1:

so if i configure with --enable-xvmc-pro

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mchou:

autodetection?*

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greg_:

you also need to enable xvmc

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_Johannes1:

ok

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greg_:

before it'll obey the more specific options

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greg_:

if i remember right

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greg_:

and only the disable option is mentioned in the configure help, but it stil ldefaults to off

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_Johannes1:

hm...ok but i tried to compile with --enable-xvmc-pro and it fails with:

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mchou:

greg_: for what? xvmc?

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_Johannes1:

yes

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greg_:

yep, one sec, checking the params

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greg_:

--enable-xvmc \

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greg_:

--enable-xvmc-vld for .18.1, i guess you need the pro option too for .19

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_Johannes1:

hm the vld thing is, the problem i think

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_Johannes1:

i dont have ../X11/extensions/vldxvmc.h but only xvmc.h

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_Johannes1:

no i get this: [..]/libmythavcode-0.19.so: undefinded reference to 'XVMC_VLD_field_start'

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greg_:

mchou, sorry not xvmc, --disable-xvmc-vld. In .18 that defaults to off, but the configure help only mentions the option to disable it. So you could assume that means it defaults to on. Dunno if thats changed in .19

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_Johannes1:

this is my configuration output: http://x.nebulon.de/mythtv.conf (seems this ok?)

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greg_:

XvMC VLD support no

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greg_:

that looks wrong to me

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greg_:

it think the pro support depends on the vld support. i don't know that for sure though, but turn it on and try

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_Johannes1:

i did an then i got the error that theres no "vldxvmc.h" i don't have this (xine works with xvmc)

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phar0e:

hey mchou , you were the feller I was talking to about external usb drives, right?

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greg_:

Sorry to say I don't know _Johannes1. I've a unichrome pro too, but I'm using .18.1 not .19

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_Johannes1:

hm ok so i'll try this one ;-)

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greg_:

what platform are you on btw?

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_Johannes1:

Epia SP8000

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greg_:

what os?

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_Johannes1:

lunar-linux

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greg_:

ahh k, was gonna suggest recompiling the mythtv packages for your distro with the via xvmc stuff as the easiest option

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greg_:

never heard of lunar-linux :)

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greg_:

i've a sp13000, cool boards with mythtv once you get the mgoing

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_Johannes1:

hm hope so ;-)

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_Johannes1:

until now everything worked really fine

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_Johannes1:

;-)

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greg_:

hehe

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_Johannes1:

so did you pass any params to './configure' ?

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greg_:

i recompiled the ubuntu debs, just had to add --enable-xvmc and --enable-xvmc-vld. The packager had all the other necessary options

[11:36:00]

greg_:

want me to email you my updated configure line?

[11:36:00]

greg_:

it's the ubuntu packagers plus those 2 cmds.

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greg_:

i'll stick it on my server, one sec. least you'll have a known good for sp board config

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_Johannes1:

this would be really nice: mailme@nebulon.de ;)

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daktak:

my audio/video goes out of sync or breaks up after transcoding out an ad, (dvico dvb cards) pressing pause then play fixes it

[11:39:00]

daktak:

do i need to set my audio sample rate? or playback settings? i have extra audio buffering on, xvmc,

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Juski:

so is via xvmc that easy to get going now? when I first tried building my frontend on gentoo (for Epia M10000) it was a nightmare – ended up giving up & using minimyth

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greg_:

well it's a bit of a cunt :) i had to recompile Xorg the first time :)

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greg_:

now the newest xorgs in drapper include one with xvmc even

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phar0e:

lol you called it a cunt

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greg_:

hehe

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greg_:

so it's really easy with a newish xorg distro

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_Johannes1:

hm i compiled everything on my own and this was really easy

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Juski:

good-o :-)

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phar0e:

I installed nvidia driver and compiled myth with xvmc support and everything works fine

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phar0e:

but i'm probably not talking about the same xvmc you guys are

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greg_:

i was on a debian box with xfree, and needed to upgrade to xorg to compile the openchrome drivers

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greg_:

we're openchrome on via phar0e

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greg_:

_Johannes1, I mailed that. Best of luck

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_Johannes1:

thanks a lot

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greg_:

the CONFIGURE_OPTS for i386 is the bit you want

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phar0e:

ohhh

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_Johannes1:

ok

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greg_:

and my kernel didn't have dri :)

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greg_:

things have improved a lot

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_Johannes1:

ok so let's see wheather these configure params will work

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greg_:

they're for .181 remember

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mchou:

phar0e: maybe, I dont remember who I was talking to

[11:44:00]

mchou:

phar0e: why?

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phar0e:

well I think my problem was my kernel or the usb card, my new mobo usb2.0 + latest kernel seems to run perfectly

[11:45:00]

mchou:

phar0e: haha, told you

[11:45:00]

phar0e:

haha yeah you did

[11:45:00]

mchou:

phar0e: you had intel mobo though, didnt you?

[11:46:00]

phar0e:

nope

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mchou:

(earlier)

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mchou:

phar0e: what chipset earlier?

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phar0e:

I had some USB 2.0 PCI card that came with some old motherboard, I think an epox

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mchou:

ahh, ok

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phar0e:

it was the PCI card, the usb didn't have usb2.0

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mchou:

what usb chip on the pci card, remember?

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phar0e:

no I don't sorry

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mchou:

phar0e: you can look it ub with "lspci" :)

[11:48:00]

mchou:

up*

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phar0e:

I know, it's no longer in my PC though, I burned it

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phar0e:

had to take out my anger on it

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

I could have put it to good use man

[11:49:00]

mchou:

dont waste good HW

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mchou:

:)

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phar0e:

I didn't really burn it

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phar0e:

I'll check it out when I get home and let you know

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phar0e:

but it's a cheapo usb 2.0 pci card, why would you want it?

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mchou:

just bought a usb2.0 pci card myself :)

[11:50:00]

phar0e:

most motherboards come with like 8 nowadays

[11:50:00]

mchou:

today

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Jasper:

good morning!

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phar0e:

sup jasper

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mchou:

phar0e: this is for old mobo

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Jasper:

not much, still waking up actually..

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phar0e:

it's probably cursed, man that thing caused me some frustrations

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phar0e:

in the middle of a good movie it would just pause for 5–10 seconds

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mchou:

phar0e: which is why I need to know what chip so I can avoid it :)

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mchou:

phar0e: wonder if it's an ALi or VIA

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phar0e:

I thought you already bought a pci card today?

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mchou:

phar0e: I did

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mchou:

I bought a via6212 for $10

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phar0e:

I got the card with my mobo when usb2.0 was first starting to come out, the mobo manufacturer wanted to say it had usb2.0 so they included cheap pci cards with 3 ports

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mchou:

it's in the system, but I havent tested it out

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mchou:

phar0e: what mobo?

[11:54:00]

mchou:

phar0e: or what chipset on mobo

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phar0e:

epox 8k3a+ I think, hmm wait no older than that

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phar0e:

yeah an older model, I can't remember

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mchou:

phar0e: ah, your usb chip probably was VIA6202, must avoid like plague

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Jasper:

ai

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mchou:

6212 the fix the problems :)

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mchou:

they*

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mchou:

phar0e: what kind of usb drive you got?

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phar0e:

a cool, damn man you're putting me on the spot asking for the entire inventory of my system

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phar0e:

coolermaster, no that's not it

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phar0e:

coolmax, yes coolmax enclosure with a WD 320G 8mb cache hard drive in it

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phar0e:

CN-550

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mchou:

phar0e: what ide-usb bridge is it using?

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mchou:

cause that is also a weak spot

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mchou:

cypress seems to have a decent implementation

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phar0e:

VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South]

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phar0e:

does that look right?

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phar0e:

no wait that says PCI not usb or ide

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mchou:

phar0e: no, the usb-ide bridge in the enclosure

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mchou:

VT8237 is the mobo south bridge

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phar0e:

oh, so I'd have to open it up and look? or can I see that from my linux system?

[12:02:00]

phar0e:

maybe that usbtree program will tell me

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mchou:

phar0e: nah, you'd probably have to open it.....

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phar0e:

not at home right now

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mchou:

it's ok. Just be aware there are a lot of bad usb-ide bridges out there (disconnects)

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phar0e:

actually i haven't even really tested it yet , only briefly.. could still sneak up and screw up on me

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mchou:

phar0e: if you have a "prolific", be VERY afraid :)

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mchou:

phar0e: file system corruption is very likely

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phar0e:

:<

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phar0e:

I run an awesome filesystem though

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phar0e:

fat32

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mchou:

phar0e: heh, then you're definitely hosed

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phar0e:

it would defeat the whole purpose for me if I formatted it with ext3 or something

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mchou:

phar0e: no filesystem is going to overcome HW problems

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mchou:

like a flaky usb-ide bridge

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phar0e:

funny thing is, I wanted to use the network port on the thing, not usb

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phar0e:

but the damn thing acts like a rogue dhcp server on my network... it's so gay and you can't disable it... and their stupid tech support completely ignored my numerous emails

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phar0e:

who the hell programs a device to automatically act as a dhcp server and not even have an option for turning it off?

[12:09:00]

mchou:

phar0e: this thing is nas enclosure?

[12:09:00]

phar0e:

yeah it's "nas" but hella cheap, lots like it

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mchou:

linky?

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phar0e:

can FTP to it, create passworded shares, etc.

[12:10:00]

phar0e:

no it's a coolmax brand

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phar0e:

I tried to buy the one with the least amount of shitty reviews

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mchou:

http://www.actbuy.com/details.asp?item=CM26NAS-CN550

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mchou:

??

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phar0e:

that's it

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phar0e:

that devil

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phar0e:

Auto sensing: Dynamic IP server (DHCP server) == ROGUE DHCP server

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greg_:

phar0e, whats your main dhcp server? it's its a unix dhcpd you can configure it to be authorative

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greg_:

then your clients should ignore the stupid rogue dhcp server

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phar0e:

it's a zyxel router

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greg_:

authoritative even, damn i can't spell that word

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greg_:

ahh

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mchou:

phar0e: I'm sure you can turn that dhcp server off on the enclosure

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phar0e:

one would think so mchou !!!

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greg_:

with a hammer

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mchou:

phar0e: otherwise it would be pointless

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phar0e:

why do you think I said it was stupid? I'm sure they could release a firmware upgrade that would allow you to turn the setting off

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phar0e:

but as it stands now I don't think it's possible to turn off

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johnny_sss:

hi

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phar0e:

yo

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phar0e:

my finnish friend.

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johnny_sss:

hehe

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johnny_sss:

I have a quiestion ambout mythweather.

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johnny_sss:

I get this error.

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johnny_sss:

HttpComms::done() – NetworkOperation Error on Finish: Request aborted (1): url: 'http://www.msnbc.com/m/chnk/d/weather_d_src.asp?acid='

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johnny_sss:

its in 0.19.

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johnny_sss:

Is there a problem with the weather plugin?

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phar0e:

I don't use mythweather, hmm

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johnny_sss:

ok

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phar0e:

so looks like the error is because it has no acid specified?

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johnny_sss:

yes but I set it to my town that is in the list and pess "i".

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phar0e:

I don't know :( I would edit it manually though and see if that fixes, but I usually just screw up more things when I start editing code

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johnny_sss:

yes well Ill try to see where the problem is.

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phar0e:

good luck

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phar0e:

was I wrong that configuring a channel as "commfree" meant that channel doesn't have commercials and/or should not have mythcommflag run on it?

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Juski:

phar0e: no you weren't wrong. recordings on channels set as 'commfree' will not be flagged

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Juski:

lol ... the things you can buy these days: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GIRLFRIEND-AND-CLUBBERS . . . cmdZViewItem

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rjune:

personally, I think the fake girlfriend is funnier

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aquatic0384:

in fedora 4, how can i change where yum gets the updated files? like pick a different server

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Jasper:

hmm

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Beirdo:

so...

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Beirdo:

I hope to move the logging bot to the new one very soon :)

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Beirdo:

just have to import almost a year's worth of logs into the database

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

then google's gonna have conniptions reindexing it all...

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Beirdo:

gonna have to put in some redirect rules, I think

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

is compiling on my linode EVER slower than on my AMD64 devel box :)

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Jasper:

Beirdo what did you change on the bot?

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Beirdo:

I wrote my own

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Beirdo:

the one that's here now is a Java monstrosity

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Jasper:

ah k

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greg_:

you've a linode Beirdo? cool aren't they

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Jasper:

so you had to make your own 'irc' decoder

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Beirdo:

nah, there are C libraries for that

[14:15:00]

Beirdo:

yeah, linodes are great

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Beirdo:

as long as you aren't compiling

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Jasper:

I have a bot like that Beirdo

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greg_:

probably the lack of ram that's killing the compiler, my nodes always got tonnes of spare cpu

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Jasper:

it runs on quakenet

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Beirdo:

so I'll be doing some perl magic to insert all the data from the current bot into the database

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aquatic0384:

ok i cannot install mythtv, all i get are dependency errors

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Jasper:

ah k Beirdo

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aquatic0384:

when i am trying to use mythtv-suite in yum

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Jasper:

you only run it here?

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Beirdo:

then I'll cut over, but I still have work to do on the bot.

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Beirdo:

well, the new bot is capable of logging multiple channels on multiple servers

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Beirdo:

the old one is barely able to stay in one channel

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Jasper:

ah cool

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Jasper:

:P

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Beirdo:

and the new one takes about 1.5M resident with 4 channels on 3 servers

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Beirdo:

the current one: 6.5M, and 6 threads for one channel

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Jasper:

Beirdo...we got a bot logging game servers around the world...of around 7 different games...and we run 34 bots in irc channels on quakenet ...around 600 channels

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Beirdo:

heh

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Jasper:

people can talk to the bot...ask where people are and stuff like that

[14:18:00]

Beirdo:

fun

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Beirdo:

this one's primary purpose is logging

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Beirdo:

although searching the logs will be in there once we get that far

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Cromz:

but can the bot relay messages from one server to the other?

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Cromz:

lol

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Beirdo:

and I log to mysql

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Jasper:

ah we do too

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Beirdo:

and the web frontend queries mysql in lovely fun ways to display stuff

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Jasper:

Cromz talking to me?

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Cromz:

Jasper, sorta.. I was just being a smart-ass :)

[14:20:00]

Jasper:

well Cromz as a matter of fact it does

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Jasper:

:P

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Cromz:

nifty..

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Jasper:

we run on quakenet and some other irc servers..

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Jasper:

they communicate through 1 main server with each other..l

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Jasper:

take a look at www.z0r.nl

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Jasper:

you can see it there

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Jasper:

it's something we made like 3 years ago..

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Jasper:

we were bored 8)

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Jasper:

and the bots get run by different people to Cromz....not by 1 main computer...people can just request to run a bot...and they will report to be online to the main server

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Jasper:

we started working on a improved version like 2 years ago..never finished it though

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Cromz:

that is sweet.. course I see halflife so I'm looking to find gamesurge irc server heheh

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Jasper:

people have to add the servers...

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Beirdo:

ahhh, speaking of sweet

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

my bot will autocreate it's DB. kinda like myth

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Jasper:

thats' cool

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Beirdo:

you need to create the user and the create the database

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Beirdo:

it will then create all the tables and keep them uptodate schema-wise

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Jasper:

that's a good thing...our bots don't have a db though..

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Jasper:

they just send everything over to the main server via protocol..

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Jasper:

otherwise people wouldn't run it...if it got to much of an effort to install

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah well

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Jasper:

but we lost our irc thrust when we got ddosed by some people..so now we vcan't let alot of bots connect anymore via one ip

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Beirdo:

hmm, why is my linode misbehaving when I try to insert a record via phpmyadmin?

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Beirdo:

there it goes

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Beirdo:

well, I should go to work

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Beirdo:

got lots of time to mess with things there while working

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brando1:

I know there are some problems playing back mpeg-2 files not recorded on haupage x50 cards, on them. Anyone know if there are any problems burning files recorded by the x50 cards with dvdauthor? Such as do you need to re-encode for burning to mpeg2-ps for a DVD, or do you just need to author the file to the disk?

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aquatic0384:

does anyone know how ti fix dependency errors in fedora core 4 in yum?

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aquatic0384:

i cannot install mythtv because i keep getting them

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Jasper:

oh men...I forgot the difficulty in assembly programming

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aquatic0384:

which distro is best for mythtv?

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aquatic0384:

i have tried ubuntu and fedora and neither seem to work, i have run into issuses with both now

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aquatic0384:

is suse worth trying?

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greg_:

have you done whatever the fc4 equivalent of a repositories update is aquatic0384?

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aquatic0384:

well

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greg_:

ubuntu works fine, I'd say fc probably does too. You're better off posting the problems you have to the list or giving them exaclty in here

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greg_:

changing distros won't make it magically work unfortunately

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aquatic0384:

well

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Kelerion:

it's bloody snowing!! in march! lol

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greg_:

or check out knopmyth, thats about as easy as it gets if you're lucky enough to have supported hardware

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aquatic0384:

well, i have fedora on right now,

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greg_:

i know unbuntu/deb well, i don't know fc unfortunately

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aquatic0384:

and everytime i try and install mythtv-suite, it just gives me dependency errors

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flindet:

fedora does frustrate the hell out of me from time to time, but it works for me

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greg_:

have you updated the repositories lists?

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greg_:

are you following someones how-to for fedora?

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aquatic0384:

yeah i used which ever ones wilsonet had up

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flindet:

aquatic0384: did you set up yum as instructed on the fedora mythtv howto?

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aquatic0384:

believe so

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flindet:

aquatic0384: did you install the atrpms-kickstart package?

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aquatic0384:

i cannot do the yum-upgrade because i am in a dorm and my bandwidth is limited

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aquatic0384:

and it wants 700+mb

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flindet:

aquatic0384: oh, that blows

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aquatic0384:

yes it does

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aquatic0384:

so

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flindet:

yeah, you're doomed then

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aquatic0384:

super

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aquatic0384:

i cant imagine that i need al 700mb do i?

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flindet:

maybe there's a knopp disc with the new stuff already on there for you???

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aquatic0384:

well i tried knoppmyth

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greg_:

you can't leave it running over ngiht? do they charge you per meg?

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aquatic0384:

but i wasnt able to get it to install

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aquatic0384:

they dont charge me, i just allowed 1.5gb per week

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flindet:

aquatic0384: not all that stuff is myth... most of it isn't. But I don't know how easy it's going to be to sort out hte dependencies

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greg_:

the new myth packages will depend on uptodate os packages

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greg_:

libraries and what

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aquatic0384:

and i am already at 900mb from updating junk

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greg_:

so if you want the neweset myth from the repositories you'll need to get whatever system packages it wants too

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aquatic0384:

uh huh

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flindet:

uh... use your dorm mate's account?

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aquatic0384:

hehe

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greg_:

have you done a yum update, or whatever it's equivalent is?

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aquatic0384:

i would be glad to, but he already went over

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aquatic0384:

haha

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aquatic0384:

yeah the yum update is what wants to download 700+mb

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aquatic0384:

so i tried to just avoid that

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aquatic0384:

and go tho the next step

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aquatic0384:

but

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greg_:

ok, thats an upgrade, whatever the fc equivalent of syncing to the repository package list is

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aquatic0384:

my sql wasnt working

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aquatic0384:

oh yeah i did that repo update

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aquatic0384:

but i still get dependency errors

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greg_:

then when you try to yum install mythtv, it tells you about dependancies and asks to instal ltehm?

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greg_:

errors? or requests to install them

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aquatic0384:

no it says that there are errors with

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aquatic0384:

libavutilcodec51

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aquatic0384:

it says missing dependency

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greg_:

aquatic0384, i know this might not be an option, but i think your best bet is to yum upgrade and then try. It should be able to only get the bits you need, but that often doesn't work if you're trying to install something new onto a really old system

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aquatic0384:

yeah i mean i could do this,

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aquatic0384:

it would result in knocking me down to 56kb

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aquatic0384:

after they check

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greg_:

heh for good?

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aquatic0384:

no

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aquatic0384:

just for the week

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aquatic0384:

luckily it is almost spring break and i leave tomorrow

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Kelerion:

or – install apt.. run "apt-get build-dep mythtv".. and compile svn instead

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aquatic0384:

so i will be gone for that week

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aquatic0384:

one more option

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aquatic0384:

my campus has a server that i believe might be able to supply me with all the updates without taxing my bandwidth

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aquatic0384:

i am not sure how to tell yum to look there for updates

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aquatic0384:

but i do know the site

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greg_:

hmm on debian it'd be /etc/apt/sources.list, have a google for the fc version

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greg_:

it can't be too hard to find, and then you can avoid the 700 meg internet download :)

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Kelerion:

/etc/yum.conf or /etc/yum.repos.d

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aquatic0384:

humm hang on

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Kelerion:

although – if it was me.. and the only problem I was having with "yum install mythtv-suite" was a libavcodec problem... I'd be looking at fixing that problem instead.. then the yum command would work

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aquatic0384:

so where would i go about fixing it? sorry i am a newb and i see how this is a bit annoying

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Kelerion:

is it fc4?

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aquatic0384:

yes

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scopeuk:

aquatic0384 te peopel here are guenuinley nice as long as its a genuine question and you listen when the yanser they dont mind too much

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Kelerion:

get and install ffmpeg

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aquatic0384:

k

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Jasper:

christ assembly is difficult Kelerion :P

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Beirdo:

assembly difficult?

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Beirdo:

like assembly language?

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Jasper:

yeah

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Beirdo:

bah :)

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sPiN:

guys i used nuvexport for the first time with --transcode, it took 4H and 11M for a simpsons episode, on a amd 64 2800+ with 1GB of ram, and it didnt cut the commercials even though they were flagged

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Jasper:

like programming in assembly Beirdo

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Jasper:

trying to write a bootloader..

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Beirdo:

just requires like 80% of your brain instead of 30%

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Jasper:

to start from usb

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sPiN:

does it really take that long to transcode? and why did it have the commercials still?

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Beirdo:

did you make a cutlist?

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Beirdo:

a cutlist is different from flagged commercials

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sPiN:

Beirdo, ohhh well i did not make a cut list then :(

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Beirdo:

that's why it didn't cut

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Beirdo:

:)

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sPiN:

how does one make a cutlist? can it be automatted based on commercial flaggin?

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Beirdo:

and yes, it will take a while, depending on what export type and options used

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sPiN:

this was xvid

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Beirdo:

you hit "e" from watching the recording

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Beirdo:

then "z" to load up the commercial flagging info

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Beirdo:

then go from there, it's not too hard

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sPiN:

coolness... thanks Beirdo

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Beirdo:

hit "e" or escape when done

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aquatic0384:

oooooo nice i installed ffmpeg and then tried mythtv-setup

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aquatic0384:

and it seems to be working

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aquatic0384:

whew

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aquatic0384:

nice

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aquatic0384:

thanks guys

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praet:

aquatic0384: first install?

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Kelerion:

np :)

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aquatic0384:

haha yeah

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aquatic0384:

i am a newb

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praet:

welcome to our world...

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aquatic0384:

haha

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praet:

you're in for a treat then

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aquatic0384:

linux is always something that seems really interesting and neat, just a bit of a lot of work

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sPiN:

ohh that was easy to do

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praet:

well myth is such a good project that its worth learning linux for

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aquatic0384:

yeah

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aquatic0384:

it seems so

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sPiN:

this is weird, a show i recorded has disappeared

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aquatic0384:

next thing i need to do is mess with my remote

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praet:

whats your hardware?

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aquatic0384:

i have an ati remote wonder (radio frequency) by default it works as a mouse, but i would like to get more of the buttons to work

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sPiN:

i set it up to encode with the simpsons, and the simpsons encoded and then when it started the next show, it said waiting for mythtranscode to setup the fifos

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aquatic0384:

i found a site that has some sort of mapping thing

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aquatic0384:

humm i still have to find some way to setup my capture card. i am using a hauppauge wintv-go

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praet:

well the myth interface is quite simple (right, up keys) and doesnt need mouse tracking

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aquatic0384:

so the full specs are: p4 2.0ghz 512 ram hauppauge wintv-go ati remote wonder nvidia 6200

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aquatic0384:

i am aware that myth doesnt need mouse tracking, but i need to have some buttons work as the "enter" and "esc"

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sPiN:

this is interesting, it is moving much faster than last night... it started out at 4 something and slowly made it to 8.5, now it is at 9.5 just seconds into the encoding

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greg_:

if you install mythweb you can change the mythtv keybindings aquatic0384

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greg_:

or through sql

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greg_:

i'd a remote wonder ii myself and use lirc with ti

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greg_:

it

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aquatic0384:

ok

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greg_:

you using the kernel driver or lirc with yours? if it's the kernel driver it might be easier to change mythtv to match it, than the other way around

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aquatic0384:

currently i havent done anything

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greg_:

fair enough :)

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aquatic0384:

i just plugged it in and linux recognizes it as a mouse

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aquatic0384:

haha

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greg_:

heh

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sPiN:

thanks again Beirdo, im all set now :)

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greg_:

i bought a remote wonder 1 as well. stupid thing had a 2 foot range

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aquatic0384:

very cool that almost all linux distros seem to see it as that and just let it work when windows never did

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Beirdo:

no problemo

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greg_:

must have had a damaged antenna or loose connection or something

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aquatic0384:

it came with an older video card

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greg_:

the remote wonder 1 has a kernel module for it

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Beirdo:

sPiN: just so you know, denoising takes a LOT of CPU

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greg_:

so its handy that way

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aquatic0384:

reception is so so not the best, but not bad for free

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aquatic0384:

yeah i am only using remote wonder 1

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BigSam72:

Hi

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Beirdo:

if the results are acceptable without it, it will take a lot less time. but you'll have to experiment to see if it's acceptable to you

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sPiN:

yeah i checked out ksysguard as it was doing its thing, the cpu was running full steam the entire time

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BigSam72:

anybody knows exists repository for debian/testing ia32 ?

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sPiN:

is that just a function of your cable signal quality Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

partially, but also there will always be noise

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Beirdo:

and it's easier to encode denoised video, but it costs a LOT in CPU to denoise

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sPiN:

ahh guess the A->D conversion creates some.. so my tuner card determines that more huh...

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Beirdo:

the denoised video should look better in all cases though, just how much better is dependant on your feed, etc.

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Beirdo:

and if you are on analog cable, it will always have noise

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sPiN:

yeah im analog i guess, i didnt shell out the cash for the digital tuner box, and even then i think only the channels like above 100 are actually digital

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sPiN:

i wouldnt get shit done if i had that many channels, and id have to pay like a 90 bucks just for cable to get all the good channels. like the discoveries and science channel etc..

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Beirdo:

so if you want to experiment... I'd suggest making a 2minute or so manual recording

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sPiN:

hell im not even paying for the 20 channels i do get, they were just on when i moved into my apt :)

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Beirdo:

then transcode it over and over to see what you like :)

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sPiN:

ohhh thats a good idea! thanks

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Beirdo:

that way it won't take forever :)

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Beirdo:

then when you know what you like, you can put up with it taking a long time :)

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sPiN:

well its going way faster than last night, its already at 10.5% and i just started this... a little under 10 minutes ago

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sPiN:

so this is moving exponentially faster than last night

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Beirdo:

it runs as a low priority task too

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Beirdo:

so if other stuff is taking CPU, the transcoding waits

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sPiN:

yeah last night i was listening to tunes with amarok, and recording a CSI ep, and writing a paper in OOo

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Beirdo:

yeah, that would cause it to take longer for sure

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Beirdo:

but if we didn't nice it to a lower priority, your machine would be mostly useless while it ran :)

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sPiN:

incidentally, if any of you have amarok, v1.4 has AWESOME iPod support! no more itunes, YAAY!

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greg_:

hmm interesting, time to google this amarok thing you speak of

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greg_:

AMAROK

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greg_:

Environmentalist band from Spain.

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greg_:

lol, i take it it's not that hit ;)

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sPiN:

http://amarok.kde.org/

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Ryushin:

Is there a way to slow down commercial flagging? If I'm recording HD thread, a SD, thread, commercial flagging a job, and watching HD, I'll get the occassional blip/pause from HD playback. Killing the commerical flagging job results in it being smooth again.

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greg_:

Ryushin whats the job niced to?

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sPiN:

http://spinink.net/2006/02/17/amarok-14-ipod-support/

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Ryushin:

I didn't set the nice value of the commercial flagging. Didn't know I could.

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greg_:

i don't know if you can, I think you can, but if not you could write a script to do so

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greg_:

test it by nicing it to +19 and see if it fixes the problem

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greg_:

it could always be hard disk io, then nicing it may not solve things

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Ryushin:

So to call a job number instead of having it do commercial flag. I could do that. The recordings are sitting on 3 SATA drives that are RAID 0. Once SVN has different disk drives available, that it will send recordings to different spindles, it will probably solve that problem.

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greg_:

Ryushin i think you can tell mythtv to nice it

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sPiN:

ewww raid0

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Ryushin:

I'll have to check the backend log to see if it's i/o bound.

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greg_:

check that first before you write a script to get around it

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sPiN:

and 3 drives, man thats asking for trouble

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Ryushin:

spin: How so? It's just the recordings, if I lost them, I'm not going to cry.

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greg_:

Ryushin there's mention of nice levels in the .17 release notes. check the commercial flagging settings for priority options. I'm not at home so i can't see my setup now

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sPiN:

ohh.. so not the videos you transcoded and want to save? just the stuff you recently recorded?

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'll go through that and see what I can find out.

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Ryushin:

spin: If I want to save it, I'll burn it to DVD. So far, I've only had one program I've wanted to record and that came off PBS.

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Ryushin:

spin: With 600 GB, I have a LOT of recordings. Though with the advent of more HD content, I'll probably have to up it to 6 TB some day.

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sPiN:

HD, you lucky bastard... :)

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Ryushin:

Pain to set up a while ago. Though now with the kernel changes and IVTV, it's easy.

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Ryushin:

Well, going to have to take off for awhile.

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a1fa:

what was that command to rebuild dynamic library cache

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a1fa:

ldconfig

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a1fa:

god

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drdaz:

This is a little OT here, but I figure somebody in here might have some insight into this... I'm currently using a pvr150 and ivtv 0.4.3. I have just purcahsed a Twinhan Cab-CI (DVB-C) card which I wish to add to my system. Will I encounter problems? I have read there are some issues due to ivtv's custom tuner and/or tveeprom modules..

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brando1:

Is it possible to use a pvr-x50 but have the recordings stored to mpeg-4 while recording, and live-tv?

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dasOp:

that would mean transcoding

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dasOp:

the only thing a pvr-xxx outputs is an mpeg2 stream

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mejo:

hello

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mejo:

i run the mythtv 0.19–0.3 debian packages from Christian Marillat and ivtv 0.4.3 (kernel 2.6.15) on a amd64 debian/unstable box with a wintv pvr350.

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mejo:

'cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg' and 'mplayer -vo xv test.mpg' work without problems.

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mejo:

but when i start mythfrontend, and try to watch tv, it crashes.

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mejo:

most times i am able to see the program overview, and when i try to select a channel, the screen turns into black, and stayes that way until i press reset.

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mejo:

last time it crashed already in the program overview. the screen got screwed up and nothing except reset worked. even <ctrl>+<alt>+<del> didn't help.

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mejo:

is this a known bug, or did others discover similar problems?

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Juski:

hi Kelerion. I'm setting up some CCTV this weekend. seems we've had some scrotes damaging cars last night :-(

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[Jasper]:

where are you gonna install themthen?

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[Jasper]:

behind your windows? or outside?

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sPiN:

Juski, you got software yet?

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sPiN:

someone gave me a link a few days ago fro a linux based CCTV setup...

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[Jasper]:

hmm can't you just plugin a camcorder on your tv-card and record it using mythtv ?

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[Jasper]:

:P

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[Jasper]:

or even a cheap digital camera for that?

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sPiN:

for one camera that would work well, but i would think he might need multi cameras

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Juski:

sPiN: I'm using a dedicated DVR

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sPiN:

ahh

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Juski:

networkable, 50 pps, 4 input

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Juski:

starting with one camera at first – they're not cheap

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jams:

Juski- remember that color shift you were getting on the preview window?

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sPiN:

pan tilt?

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Juski:

jams: yeh

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Juski:

sPiN: no point if there's nobody around to do the PTZ man

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jams:

I was able to reproduce it

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sPiN:

Juski, well they got auto modes

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Juski:

sPiN: you miss more than you gain with pan & tilt ;)

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Juski:

and if you're talking about the sort that follow things, I ain't got that kind of money

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mmead:

anyone know what's involved in using nfs to stream video to mythfrontend boxes?

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mmead:

seems my mythfrontend boxes all pull the video through the mythbackend's tcp port

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Juski:

mmead: yeh. export the recordings directory & mount it to the same point on the frontend

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mmead:

Juski: thanks...

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Juski:

e.g. export /var/video on the backend, mount it to /var/video on the frontend :-)

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mmead:

Juski: if it needs to be a different point on the frontend, is there a setting in the db I can change so that the frontend looks elsewhere?

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mmead:

| RecordFilePrefix | /video/mythtv | meadsrv |

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Juski:

mmead: I don't know

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Beirdo:

wow, the perl to convert the channel logs was a lot simpler than I had thought :)

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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mmead:

could I do an insert into settings values ('RecordFilePrefix', '/new/video/mountpoint', 'mythfrontendhostname');

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mmead:

Juski: I run frontends on Mac OS X, which are easy enough to use for mounting nfs from the finder, but they end up under /Volumes/

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Juski:

mmead: oh – I don't know. worth a shot though

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Juski:

dammit. work firewall blocks www.hgst.com (wtf ?)

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mmead:

Juski: testing

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mmead:

Juski: looks like it is puling data from the tcp port still ;(

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Juski:

mmead: does OS X not have an /etc/fstab ? ;-)

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mmead:

Juski: yeah

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Juski:

just make a dir called /var/video whatever, and mount the nfs share... I thought their BSD-ness was similar enough to do stuff like that

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mmead:

Juski: but I don't want to put an nfs mount entry on a laptop :)

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mmead:

Juski: sure, I could do that...

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Juski:

mmead: aha. picky picky

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mmead:

Juski: I suppose I could also symlink /video/mythtv and /video/mythtv-cache to the right place

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Juski:

I wonder how long the default timeout period is & whether or not it can be changed

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mmead:

Juski: timeout?

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mmead:

Juski: looks like it worked properly for playing from library

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mmead:

Juski: but not for the ring buffer

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mmead:

Juski: so that's good

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Juski:

mmead: you're still running 0.18 presumably then

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mmead:

Juski: yes, why?

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Juski:

just with you mentioning the ringbuffer ;-)

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mmead:

Juski: .19 is compiled on the backend but I only this morning got the frontend .19 compiled on Mac OS X

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mmead:

Juski: so I will have a go of upgrading it this weekend

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mmead:

Juski: hoping that .19 will do a little better with ATSC air2pc

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Juski:

no biggie – I just thought I'd ask

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mmead:

Juski: did the ringbuffer go away? how does it now work?

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Juski:

mmead: livetv has totally changed. it's now a series of recordings of shows stored in the recorings directory

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mmead:

Juski: interesting...

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mmead:

Juski: so maybe the nfs will work with that as well

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Juski:

presumably

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spazzz:

Hey folks I was wondering if I could get some help running mythTV on an Ubuntu box. Im almost there I think I just need some help to get me over the top

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mmead:

Juski: thanks for the help!

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Juski:

spazzz: just ask away

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Juski:

mmead: np

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GreyFoxx:

A

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GreyFoxx:

oops :)

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spazzz:

Juski: Alrighty then. I downloaded the program from the repositoryes set it up ran the configureation fine so it connects to the database. But now its saying the connection to the database is timing out. I don't understand how that can happen though because i'm running both the front and back end on the same computer

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Juski:

spazzz: you been following the howto at www.abarbaccia.com ?

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spazzz:

Let me check but I don't think so

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Juski:

if not, I recommend you do – it's very good

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spazzz:

Nope I was using one from somewhere else i'll check that out

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spazzz:

Do you have any idea what the issue could be?

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Juski:

spazzz: prolly mysql.txt not set right

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spazzz:

Juski Alright well this site you gave me is defenatly more indepth than what I was looking atbefore. I'll give this a run through and see if I can come up with something. Thanks!

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Kelerion:

Juski, it knowing where you are?

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Kelerion:

snowing

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Juski:

yeh. looking out at our carpark we've had a couple of inches

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Kelerion:

same here

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Juski:

gonna allow an extra 3 hours to get home tonight then. not cos of the snow – more cos the people round here drive like PUSSIES

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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** Kelerion adds another reason he enjoys working from home to his list **

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Juski:

Kelerion: we had attack of the teenage arseholes last night.. car-nage in a broken wing-mirror stylee

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Kelerion:

your car?

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Juski:

the whole street, so tomorrow I will up a ladder fitting a camera or 2 up

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Juski:

*will be

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Kelerion:

I just hung myself out of the bedroom window and fitted it.. lol

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Juski:

which was the camera you got that turned out to be really good again?

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Kelerion:

the ir one? or the webcam?

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Juski:

the IR one

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Kelerion:

one sec

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Juski:

seem to remember it was like £120 or summat

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Kelerion:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . ia=#criteria

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Kelerion:

yup..129

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Juski:

youchio

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Kelerion:

only thing I don't like is the lense width

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Kelerion:

just too narrow at about 5meters

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Kelerion:

but the picture quality in total darkness is excellent

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

you can chango-lenso though ;-)

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Kelerion:

correction... *you* can change lenses... lol

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Juski:

think I might get their £59.95 one & make my own IR illuminator

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Kelerion:

I'm the one that can -maybe- possibly, if my brain is awake, figure out what the holes are for on a stripboard

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Juski:

checking the Swann website now to find out what res the cheapo one is

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Kelerion:

PAL: 628*582

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Kelerion:

380 linex

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Kelerion:

lines

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

about all you can get for £70 though

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Juski:

I'll get one tomorrow – if it's crap it'll go back

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scopeuk:

ive got a pcb cam round here somewhere i blew up also got an ir iluminator for it but htts been mia a long time

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scopeuk:

teh yare fun

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Juski:

I'm not exposing a bare PCB to mancunian weather ;-)

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Kelerion:

http://www.henrys.co.uk has quite a range too

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Kelerion:

http://www.henrys.co.uk/cctv/col1025ir.htm is the one I was going to get

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Kelerion:

79 quid

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Juski:

hmmm. ideally I'd splurge out on a proper camera with a real lens, but they're nothing like as covert

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Kelerion:

I'll grab an imagine off my cam tonight and show you it.. when it drops dark.. I think I was pretty lucky because I don't get any kind of halo effect even with 102 leds

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scopeuk:

my latest is a blag bulet cam bout 2 inches long adn a 1/2 inch diameter

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Juski:

we use them here. got the nickname gaeno-cam

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

my uncle gave me mine

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scopeuk:

heh

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scopeuk:

cant complain

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Juski:

well time to 'brave

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Juski:

' the snow

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Juski:

laters alll

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kli:

anybody else having problems with DVB EPG after upgrading to 0.19 ?

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kli:

How about the other way around ? Is there anybody here using a DVB-T card with mythtv 0.19 who has a working EPG (ie. Program Guide working using only EPG and no xmltv whatsoever) ?

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fozi:

kli: not exactly 0.19, but svn before and after. without problems

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jams:

OT but funny http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg

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lcase:

kli: are you in europe?

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kli:

lcase: yes, in Finland

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kli:

lcase: I do not seem to get EPG working... it was working flawlesly with 0.18.1 and all svn checkouts after

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lcase:

some version hd problem with EPG and DVB-S

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kli:

lcase: using DVB-T

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kli:

lcase: I made the mistake of deleting all channels and trying to scan for them which failed (apparently a known bug)... worked around that by importing a channel.conf generated by scan

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fozi:

kli: do you see error message with mythbackend -v siparser,eit

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kli:

fozi: no, I just tried it

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kli:

fozi: or I'm too dazed to spot those errors...

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lcase:

here in germany we need the patch from http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/DVB-EIT for working EPG with dvb-s but i don't know if you need this for dvb-c

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fozi:

in berlin DVB-C and DVB-T works flawlessly without this patch

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lcase:

ah ok

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kli:

it used to work for me as well before deleting and recreating the channels

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kli:

I thought PNRs were missing, but I checked the DB and they are there and correct

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lcase:

i think the id must be wrong in the database

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fozi:

eit is activated for the channels and the input connection?

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kli:

yes

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kli:

I first enabled it separately for each channel

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kli:

no luck

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kli:

then enabled it globally

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kli:

still no luck

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kli:

now I have it globally and locally for each channel (checked from mysql) but no avail

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kli:

does scanning for channels work for you, btw or were you just smart enough to not delete the channels ?

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kli:

fozi: what do you mean eit activated in the input connection

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kli:

fozi: I checked and can't find any EIT-related option there

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fozi:

soory, video source. you should set the xmltv listing grabber to eit-only

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kli:

fozi: I did that, but did not help

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fozi:

the channels have activated "use on air guide"?

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kli:

yes

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kli:

any idea, whether this is a disclaimer-style general warning or is related to some error:

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kli:

2006-03–03 20:21:28.112 Updating source #1 (FinnishTV) with grabber eitonly

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kli:

2006-03–03 20:21:28.112 Grabbing XMLTV data using eitonly is not verified as working.

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fozi:

no that's just mythfilldatabase

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fozi:

eit guide is imported by the backend

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kli:

2006-03–03 20:22:48.237 StartActiveScan called with 18 channels

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kli:

2006-03–03 20:22:49.645 ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT.

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kli:

Rescan your transports.

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kli:

2006-03–03 20:22:49.656 Program #323 not found in PAT!

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kli:

that _was_ by the backend

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fozi:

can you paste the output of mythbackend -v siparser,eit to pastebin,

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kli:

ok

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fozi:

ok there is the error

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fozi:

let it at least 2 minutes run

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kli:

same thing... it fails with the same error, do you want it to pastebin ?

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fozi:

no, can you watch all 18 channels?

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kli:

no, there is one without any current airing

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fozi:

pleas try to deactivate "use on air guide"for that one

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kli:

wow....

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kli:

well, it went further, but still no EPG... I think I need to disable EIT for more local crap-channels

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kli:

fozi: how about this ?

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kli:

fozi: EITHelper: chanid not found for atscsrcid = 97 and mplexid = 5,

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kli:

so event updates were skipped.

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kli:

fozi: and there are more of that kind

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fozi:

sorry i don't know, but somehow atscsrcid is suspicious

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fozi:

kli: please look in mythtv-setup if tv-standard is pal and frequency table is europe-*

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fozi:

my guess is that mythtv somehow thinks your channels are atsc, the scanner will then not work

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aquatic0384:

hi again, ok i am setting up mysql, and the tutorial says that i need to type # mysql -u root mysql

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aquatic0384:

to log into it, but i already set a password for it, so what is the correct command to get into mysql

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xris:

aquatic0384: you need to add -p if you want it to prompt with a password

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aquatic0384:

ok

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aquatic0384:

thanks!!

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Beirdo:

Woohoo

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Beirdo:

importing our current logs into a db for the new bot

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Beirdo:

grindy grindy grindy

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Beirdo:

784658 10288600 110363670 total

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Beirdo:

- wc *.log on the channel's IRC logs

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bobbyz:

Hey, I just got a new pvr-150 and set it up with mythtv. I absolutely love the quality (so much better than my old bt878 card), but I was curious about the playback settings I should use. If I'm capturing from the tv tuner input on the card, does the card itself do deinterlacing of the stream or should I enable deinterlacing in mythtv?

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Beirdo:

the card captures it into interlaced MPEG

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bobbyz:

ahh ok, thanks

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bobbyz:

so I definitely want to enable deinterlacing, eh?

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Beirdo:

if you are displaying onto a non-interlaced display, yes

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Beirdo:

if you are displaying onto a TV, not necessarily

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bobbyz:

yeah, I'm gonna be using my computer lcd

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bobbyz:

thanks Beirdo

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Beirdo:

then most likely :)

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Beirdo:

no prob

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bobbyz:

:)

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Beirdo:

Yo, MythLogBot, you pathetic Java POS... you are about to be replaced tonight

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drdaz:

in the installation guides in the wiki, it says that we should install libmyth from binaries.. wouldnt it make alot of sense to compile it from source?

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drdaz:

or... am I missing something?

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[Jasper]:

Beirdo how's the bot going?

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Beirdo:

I'm importing the current logs right now

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

all 750k lines of it

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Hoxzer:

does mythtv automatically record DVB subtitles?

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Juski:

Hoxzer: yup

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Hoxzer:

ok, when I watch record do I choose them in OSD menu like when watching live tv

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Juski:

yes

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Hoxzer:

k

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aquatic0384:

when installing my graphics card, and capture card. i think i installed my nvidia correctly, but i am not sure how to install hauppauge wintv-go

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aquatic0384:

also, i use windows and am new to linux, this is all under fedora core 4, is there something like a hardware manager where i can see all the devices that i have?

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Hoxzer:

can is somehow "rip" mythtv subtitles to .sub format?

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aquatic0384:

how do i install hauppauge wintv-go

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aquatic0384:

in fedora 4

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aquatic0384:

ok a more general question

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aquatic0384:

where can i look to see which devices i have installed?

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drdaz:

for your first question... have you tried google? the first link I found is: http://icculus.org/~jcspray/wintv_cx88.html

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drdaz:

hmm it says its outdated

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aquatic0384:

nice yeah i had, but didnt see this

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drdaz:

sniff around for details about the bttv driver... it seems to support it

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aquatic0384:

yeah

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aquatic0384:

well

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aquatic0384:

http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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aquatic0384:

if you go there

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aquatic0384:

down the page, it says that his fedora automatically detected it

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drdaz:

so if u type lspci -v you dont get similar results to Jarod?

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aquatic0384:

let me see

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aquatic0384:

it says the command is not found

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drdaz:

you need to be root to run it

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aquatic0384:

ah

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aquatic0384:

hang on

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aquatic0384:

ah

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aquatic0384:

yeah

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aquatic0384:

it did detect it

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aquatic0384:

i did get the same things i believe

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aquatic0384:

so that means

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aquatic0384:

what?

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aquatic0384:

haha

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drdaz:

lol

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aquatic0384:

sorry i am a newb

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drdaz:

np

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drdaz:

it means its detected.. heh

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drdaz:

what is it not doing for you`?

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aquatic0384:

i imagine how painful it is, i am good with windows

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aquatic0384:

well

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aquatic0384:

i havent tried it

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aquatic0384:

so i cant say

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aquatic0384:

i just wanted to make sure it was set for me to go into mythtv setup

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drdaz:

oh yes.. going from windows to linux is a humbling experience

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aquatic0384:

haha

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aquatic0384:

nice word choice

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aquatic0384:

hang on

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aquatic0384:

brb

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Beirdo:

YAY

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Beirdo:

that's working better

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narf:

lol

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Beirdo:

we will lose the last few minutes, that's all

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Beirdo:

reimporting

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Beirdo:

stupid mktime wants month starting at 0

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Beirdo:

once it's done importing, I'll bounce the bot once

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Beirdo:

but that'll be in a while, there's 150MB of logs to import first

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Beirdo:

sucks to be my linode :)

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narf:

you mean you don't have an oc'd athlon64 with a sata2 drive lol? i thought everyone had these

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Beirdo:

not as my linode

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drdaz:

wtf is a linode?

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Beirdo:

www.linode.com

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narf:

nifty

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drdaz:

if I just updated myth from svn and myth version in System Status reads "0.19.20060226"... something is wrong, right?

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drdaz:

or... not?

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drdaz:

:-|

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Calroth:

woot, i got user jobs working

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** Calroth dances **

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** xris wants to go home and play with his new refractometer. **

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Calroth:

is that a technical term for a prism? :-)

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xris:

in this case, it's a prism that I can put a few drops of mead onto and it'll tell me the sugar content.

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Calroth:

ahh, brewery stuff

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xris:

sort of.

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xris:

I don't make nearly that much... heh

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xris:

I'm just happy/amazed that people find my software useful enough to buy me toys I can afford easily enough on my own. heh

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Calroth:

:-)

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xris:

speaking of which... people, go click Beirdo's adwords to support his hard work on the new logbot for this channel.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

maybe I should name one of my mead flavors after mythtv... wonder what "mythtv" tastes like.

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drdaz:

like a mix between champagne and iron filings i expect

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xris:

lol

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drdaz:

hmm it seems the rather tasty fade transitions in mythfrontend have destroyed the ability to use VNC to control it...

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narf:

what's the point of using vnc to watch tv? you surely can't be getting more than 1–2 fps

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drdaz:

actually it was more to play music

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drdaz:

thru VNC I tend to just get a black screen when tv is playing

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drdaz:

turning the TV on to put some tunes on is a PITA

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phoner:

anyone konw is there any easy way to turn off all recording tempoarily?

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drdaz:

its in the documentation

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phoner:

it is?

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drdaz:

yeah... just saw it while looking for something else

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drdaz:

:)

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drdaz:

or perhaps in the wiki... one of the 2

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stevenm:

Hello. I have a recording here. It was flagged for commercials and skipping works. I type 'E' for Edit, then 'Z' and immediately the frontend quits with message 'Killed'

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stevenm:

Gdb reports Segfault

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stevenm:

Namely this:

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stevenm:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.

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stevenm:

---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---

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stevenm:

[Switching to Thread 163847 (LWP 15955)]

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stevenm:

0xb63ef91c in memcpy () from /lib/libc.s

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aquatic0384:

anyone here use fedora?

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drdaz:

yep

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feld:

I just found why a bunch of recordings were being canceled

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feld:

by default the behavior is to continue watching live tv

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aquatic0384:

i made a second partition so that i could record my shows etc onto it, and i used xfs, but now i dont see it in fstab and i don tknow how to mount it

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feld:

so if you walk away while livetv is going on and there is an upcoming recording, it gets canceled :( how do I change this behavior?

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drdaz:

aquatic0384: type "fdisk -l"... is your partition there?

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drdaz:

and is it formatted xfs?

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aquatic0384:

hang on i am checkin

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aquatic0384:

yeah i do see the drive

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drdaz:

well first off try mounting it manually..

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aquatic0384:

i dont think it is in the fstab

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drdaz:

as root – mount [device name here] [mount point here]

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drdaz:

if its not in fstab you may have to specify filesystem type too

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narf:

does anyone have the udev fix so that the firmware will get loaded? here is my dmesg output http://webcreations.homelinux.com/paste.txt

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aquatic0384:

ok where to i specify the fs type?

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narf:

-t xfs i believe

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drdaz:

in the mount command... I think -t xfs should do it

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drdaz:

yes

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RaYmAn-Bx:

mount can usually detect the filesystem type just fine (even without anything in fstab)

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joshn:

after much trial and error, i finally got mythweb to display the main page, but none of the links work. They all link to a page that doesnt exist. Am i missing something or does the .19 relase of mythweb have a lot of problems?

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kormoc:

narf, that's not really a udev issue, it's more a hotplug/driver issue

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narf:

hotplug is installed, but it's not loading the firmware

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kormoc:

what distro?

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feld:

joshn: mine works

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joshn:

you on .19 ?

[23:18:57]

feld:

yes

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joshn:

hmmm.

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narf:

gentoo with kernel linux-2.6.15-gentoo-r5

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kormoc:

hrm

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feld:

narf: on gentoo do the following:

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feld:

copy all modules in /usr/lib/KERNEL/extra/* to the kernel/whatever/video folder

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feld:

then your junk works right

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feld:

at least thats what I always have to do

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

feld, for a issue with the kernel driver not being able to call the hotplug program?

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aquatic0384:

when i reboot since its not in the fstab, will it stil mount?

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kormoc:

narf, you have hotplug firmware support in your kernel?

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narf:

i think so, checking...

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feld:

i bet if he checks in /proc he'll see that the entry is blank and it doesnt know where the hotplug executable is

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feld:

I also had that issue once

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narf:

lol yes it's disabled oops

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kormoc:

narf, hehe :P

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drdaz:

aquatic0384: no, you'll need to add it to fstab

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feld:

kormoc: is there a setting to change the default reply to "Do you want to continue watching this show or record this one:"

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feld:

because if the TV is left on then no shows are getting recorded :(

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kormoc:

ooh? the default for me is to watch and record the new show, or it used to be

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narf:

do i need any of the options under the pci hotplug support?

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feld:

as of 0.19 the default is to continue watching the current show :(

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drdaz:

the default didnt change for me..

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kormoc:

narf, nope

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narf:

thx

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narf:

hmm I still have the same problem

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Kabutor:

anyone here has a nexus-s and managed to scan something with dvbscan? Im getting ERROR: initial tuning failed

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Beirdo:

There we go... all better

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kormoc:

narf, cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I got a question for ya if you got time more of a strange thing than anything

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SlicerDicer-:

another baffeling situation

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kormoc:

ooh?

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SlicerDicer-:

hang on a moment

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SlicerDicer-:

I am trying to come up with a rational reason why a 3500+ AMD is as slow as a 1.4ghz Thunderbird with transcode

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SlicerDicer-:

I am talking identical transcode times

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Kabutor:

SlicerDicer-, did you have an x86_64 linux? or x86?

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SlicerDicer-:

x86_64

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SlicerDicer-:

on the 3500+ AMD

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SlicerDicer-:

the 1.4ghz has MMX compiled in

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SlicerDicer-:

AMD64 is suposto have SSE and SSE2 support compiled in

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SlicerDicer-:

but I am wondering if thats the problem with that or what the dealeo is

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drdaz:

sorry to interrupt, but I've actually been wondering if there is any SSE3 support in linux

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SlicerDicer-:

drdaz: from what I hear SSE3 is not really that huge of a speed boost hence not needed but hey thats just what I hear

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SlicerDicer-:

I cannot back it up

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drdaz:

when I check /proc/cpuinfo sse3 isnt mentioned in my CPU's capabilities

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drdaz:

and I'm quite certain that it does support sse3

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: you're the 3rd person I know that's complaining about transcoding times dropping like a rock with 0.19

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Cardoe:

drdaz: if your CPU had it... it'd be there..

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drdaz:

yikes! in today's SVN, mythnews... doesnt really work

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Cardoe:

drdaz: that stuff comes straight from the processor

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drdaz:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: it has nothing to do with 0.19

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Cardoe: are you entirely sure? I seem to remember that it was called something else in cpuflags (sse3 that is...)

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: this has nothing to do with nuvexport and experimentation trying to figure out how to speed up transcode

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: this has existed since I started using my AMD64 box for mythtv I was hoping for a large performance increase but its just not happening

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drdaz:

I've got a socket 939 sempron... it *does* have sse3, no 2 ways about it

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Chutt:

RaYmAn-Bx, 'pni', i believe.

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Chutt:

and drdaz

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drdaz:

ahh... pni is listed :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Chutt: sounds right

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Chutt:

i remember wondering about that when i got my 4400+

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: it's probably all the nasty x86 assembly from ffmpeg libraries that no longer works and is now straight C code

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: although I can verify that from 0.18 to 0.19 the times for commflag dropped like a rock

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: i.e. it takes longer

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Chutt:

the x86 asm in ffmpeg works in 64-bit stuff

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: my transcode (as in nuvexport) times got remarkably better when I went 64 bit. but the processor is almost twice as fast in mhz, too.

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drdaz:

can anyone here running current SVN confirm that the browser doesnt actually appear when using mythnews?

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** SlicerDicer- crys **

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Chutt:

though there is a ticket open in myth that says the mmx is disabled for libmpeg2

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I dont know what to do

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Cardoe:

oh well

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** Cardoe is going to bed **

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Cardoe:

at 7pm on a Friday night

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, what flags are you using?

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xris:

Cardoe: before bsg?!? ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: hang on

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Cardoe:

xris: heh

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Cardoe:

what is myth for? ;)

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kormoc:

Cardoe, hehe, what a geek! got a girl friend, going to bed early... :P

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Cardoe:

I'm spent man

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Cardoe:

I've been at work like 60 hrs this week

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Cardoe:

on top of class

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ajyAF518.html

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xris:

Cardoe: it's so my wife can watch Jamie Bamber in his teeny tiny towel without commercials.

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Beirdo:

<buh>

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Cardoe:

xris: lol

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, turn off -funroll-loops and recompile it.

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SlicerDicer-:

could that be it?

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SlicerDicer-:

seriously?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, emerge -pv transcode

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, seriously, yes, you don't want to force that on in every case.

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Beirdo:

make bran muffins ; emerge turd

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Cardoe:

silly silly ricer

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: wow I been running it for 2 years

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Cardoe:

funroll-loops is actually slower on most modern CPUs

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SlicerDicer-:

haha well I was told to run it so I did

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SlicerDicer-:

how bout fomit?

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drdaz:

... funroll-loops?

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Cardoe:

on amd64 its a waste

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Cardoe:

you have enough registers

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Cardoe:

you don't need that extra register

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

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drdaz:

that sounds like the kind of name that you think of @ about 4:30 AM

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Beirdo:

yeeehaw.

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, fomit is useful as long as you don't plan to use gdb on the binary

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer-: and it nafs your debug posibilities

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