| Thursday, March 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | kormoc: | unicorn___, or myth, I had my head stuck in mplayer world... |
| [00:00:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: ^^^ |
| [00:00:00] | FunkyELF: | then its a pain to share those files with other people |
| [00:01:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: sharing is not the point of myth.. in fact, in the US, it's not even legal. |
| [00:01:00] | galorin: | Does anyone know about the mpeg2video ac-tex damaged at ..... errors that I keep getting, that make myvideo choppy? |
| [00:01:00] | Jasper: | hm what's differnce between amd geode and xp? |
| [00:01:00] | FunkyELF: | I thought that was the entire point of myth. If you wanted your stuff to stay on one machine I'd buy a tivo |
| [00:02:00] | FunkyELF: | there are legal things to share in the US |
| [00:02:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, a geode is A hollow or partly hollow, hard, globular body, usually from 2.5 to 30 cm or more in diameter found in certain limestone beds and, rarely, in some shale beds, characterized by a thin and sometimes incomplete outermost layer of chalcedony, by a cavity that is partly filled with a lining of inward-projecting crystals deposited from solution on the cavity walls, and by evidence of growth by expansion in the caviti |
| [00:02:00] | kormoc: | es of fossils or along fracture surfaces of the shells. |
| [00:02:00] | FunkyELF: | like news broadcasts and such....or am I wrong? |
| [00:02:00] | unicorn___: | hmm, mixer unable to find control Master. |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | FunkyELF: I'll be damned if I'm giving DVDs to all & sundry cos they missed a show |
| [00:02:00] | Jasper: | sweet kormoc |
| [00:02:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, but in reality, it's just a low power version of the xp |
| [00:04:00] | unicorn___: | anyway, late gotta go |
| [00:04:00] | unicorn___: | later all |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | lower wattage, or just lower grunt? |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | later unicorn___ |
| [00:04:00] | kormoc: | Juski, much lower wattage at a little lower grunt, at least that's the theory |
| [00:04:00] | kormoc: | Juski, but I havn't seen any benchmarks yet |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | well, XPs could do with being less hot ;) |
| [00:05:00] | Jasper: | and the pro kormoc ? |
| [00:05:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, which pro? |
| [00:05:00] | Jasper: | athlon pro |
| [00:05:00] | kormoc: | ahh, not sure about that one |
| [00:05:00] | kormoc: | amd's site likely has a blurb about it |
| [00:06:00] | FunkyELF: | whats the difference between the 'recorded' and the 'recordedprogram' tables?...I mean, why are there two tables which seem to have the same info |
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| [00:08:00] | Jasper: | hmm would it be an idea to get a dual intel 800 mhz Juski ? |
| [00:08:00] | Jasper: | or is that a bad idea for myth? |
| [00:08:00] | Juski: | I thought you had no cash |
| [00:08:00] | Jasper: | I don't.. |
| [00:08:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:09:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, the pentium d 820 is a very nice proc for the price, as long as you don't want to do any virtual machines on it |
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| [00:09:00] | kormoc: | Juski, funny enough, the intel dual core 64 bit procs are substantionally cheaper then amd's offerings. |
| [00:10:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [00:10:00] | Jasper: | but I was thinking Juski I allready got this 800 mhz |
| [00:10:00] | Jasper: | and a 800 mhz is prolly cheap to get.. |
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| [00:11:00] | kormoc: | ooh! you mean actual proc speed and not fsb :P |
| [00:11:00] | Jasper: | men..I don't know the difference between that stuff.. |
| [00:11:00] | Jasper: | only thing I know is my compilation times |
| [00:11:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:11:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, sure, smp works fine with myth. Myth won't 'use' the second proc, but other things (mysql, comflag, etc) would benifit |
| [00:11:00] | FunkyELF: | does anyone know the difference between recorded and recordedprogram tables? is one a new table from 0.19 and the other left over from 0.18.1 ? |
| [00:12:00] | Juski: | recordedprogram is stuff you recorded in the past |
| [00:12:00] | Jasper: | hmm so kormoc...would mpeg2 decoding benefit from it? |
| [00:12:00] | kormoc: | FunkyELF, recorded is likely what's on your drive right now |
| [00:12:00] | Juski: | IIRC |
| [00:12:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, hrm. it would help as it would remove the need for mysql/other processes from using the proc myth is, but it won't help a lot |
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| [00:13:00] | sphery: | FunkyELF: kind of... |
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| [00:14:00] | sphery: | recorded shows what recordings you have on your system |
| [00:14:00] | sphery: | recordedprogram shows the information that was in the program title (program listings stuff) that was "expired" |
| [00:14:00] | sphery: | that way you can see all the details you had when you decided to record the show |
| [00:15:00] | FunkyELF: | okay |
| [00:15:00] | sphery: | recordedprogram is new in 0.19 (0.18 didn't store the extra details) |
| [00:15:00] | FunkyELF: | I'm wondering why in mythweb now it outlines programs that I don't have set up to record but I've recorded in the past |
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| [00:15:00] | sphery: | And, when you delete shows from recorded, the program info in recordedprogram is deleted, too. |
| [00:15:00] | sphery: | That's in oldrecorded |
| [00:15:00] | FunkyELF: | like if one time I recorded fox 35 news at 10....now every fox 35 news at 10 has a different boarder around it |
| [00:16:00] | sphery: | You can use the Previously Recorded page in mythfrontend to remove stuff from oldrecorded |
| [00:16:00] | FunkyELF: | sphery, cool, thanks |
| [00:16:00] | sphery: | heh. Fox 35--mine, too. You near Melbourne? |
| [00:16:00] | FunkyELF: | Orlando |
| [00:16:00] | sphery: | Just down the road... :) |
| [00:16:00] | FunkyELF: | cool |
| [00:17:00] | FunkyELF: | Bike Week next week ;-) |
| [00:17:00] | sphery: | Yeah. They're looking at finding a way to resolve things like news that have the same subtitle... |
| [00:17:00] | sphery: | Don't think anyone's come up with a good way to distinguish |
| [00:17:00] | kormoc: | sphery, don't they also check the description? |
| [00:17:00] | sphery: | (Some mentioned ignoring news, but that doesn't help other stuff) |
| [00:17:00] | sphery: | Yeah, but for the news, it's always the same... |
| [00:17:00] | kormoc: | ahh, gotcha |
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| [00:18:00] | sphery: | guess I should have said, "subtitle and description" |
| [00:18:00] | Jasper: | you guys think it's possible to boot from a firewire/usb2.0 external harddisk? |
| [00:18:00] | FunkyELF: | yeah...I was ticked once because my brother called me and said "turn on the Daily Show....this is funny as hell" and I said "Don't worry about it, I record it every night".....and then it thought it was a duplicate and skipped it |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, if your mobo supports it, sure |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [00:18:00] | Jasper: | prolly not |
| [00:18:00] | kormoc: | that would be why I don't have any daily shows recorded |
| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | since firewire didn;t even exist when my motherboard was made |
| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:19:00] | FunkyELF: | Jasper, I just read an article about BIOS's regarding that. Aparently AwardBios is good about that and Phoenix isn't even tho they are from the same company |
| [00:19:00] | kormoc: | hence the awards! |
| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | but I don't have onboard firewire |
| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | and only usb 1.1 I think |
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| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | or 1.x |
| [00:19:00] | Jasper: | dunno what it's called |
| [00:20:00] | kormoc: | you can boot off of usb 1.1 or 1.0 if your bios supports it |
| [00:20:00] | FunkyELF: | Jasper, I think it was either on slashdot or osnews. Check them out |
| [00:20:00] | kormoc: | which reminds me, I want to make that usb stick I have into a emergency boot disk fixer uper too |
| [00:20:00] | sphery: | FunkyELF: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29963 :) |
| [00:21:00] | Jasper: | yeah kormoc..but it's just too slow I guess for an external disk |
| [00:21:00] | I8usc: | screen -t irc 3 irssi |
| [00:21:00] | I8usc: | that was brilliant |
| [00:22:00] | FunkyELF: | sphery, yeah, that was it |
| [00:22:00] | FunkyELF: | I heard this new EFI that is replacing bioses is supposed to be great. It will allow you to use your cd-rom / dvd-rom without turning on the computer |
| [00:23:00] | Mersault (n=Mersault@CPE00131030fe90-CM00137189e160.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit () | |
| [00:24:00] | ** FunkyELF goes in the other room and starts editing cut lists so he can transcode and make room on his hard disk ** | |
| [00:24:00] | FunkyELF is now known as Funky|Away | |
| [00:26:00] | kormoc: | Funky|Away, it's not required to do that, my cheap-assed shuttle does that already :P |
| [00:26:00] | kormoc: | Funky|Away, what it allows for is DRM realistically |
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| [00:29:00] | achew22: | hello all |
| [00:30:00] | kormoc: | Hello Dr. Nick! |
| [00:30:00] | Funky|Away is now known as FunkyELF | |
| [00:30:00] | achew22: | thats hi everybody (but good try) |
| [00:30:00] | Jasper: | hi achew22 (again) |
| [00:30:00] | FunkyELF: | So.....heres a good question about editing commercial flags..... |
| [00:30:00] | Jasper: | did you get it too work"? |
| [00:30:00] | achew22: | :D |
| [00:31:00] | achew22: | push e then z then e then x |
| [00:31:00] | FunkyELF: | what do you do when at the end of a show they have a little clip that is 3 to 5 seconds long ? |
| [00:31:00] | FunkyELF: | achew22, what does the x ? |
| [00:31:00] | achew22: | go to it then push enter go to delete after |
| [00:31:00] | achew22: | x transcodes |
| [00:31:00] | FunkyELF: | achew22, doesn't work....it always wants to move it because it is really close to the other one |
| [00:32:00] | FunkyELF: | you need two cut points that are 5 seconds apart from each other |
| [00:32:00] | achew22: | push up and down to make the scroll time different |
| [00:32:00] | achew22: | down is slower up is faster... |
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| [00:32:00] | FunkyELF: | and it never lets me. It'll always want to move the nearest cutpoint to the spot |
| [00:32:00] | achew22: | max is 10 min is 1 frame you need to find a good number in the middle (1 sec) |
| [00:33:00] | FunkyELF: | achew22, I know....I go frames or keyframes.....that has nothing to do with it |
| [00:33:00] | Jasper: | achew22 does lirc work? |
| [00:33:00] | FunkyELF: | I get it to the right spot, but they are too close and myth won't let me put a cut point that close to an existing one |
| [00:33:00] | achew22: | not yet Jasper i'm getting there |
| [00:33:00] | achew22: | current problem is with xorg |
| [00:33:00] | achew22: | ooh maybe someone in here will know — how do you setup tvout through svideo on? |
| [00:33:00] | achew22: | nvidea card |
| [00:34:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [00:34:00] | Jasper: | just put it on xorg.conf |
| [00:34:00] | achew22: | where? and how.... and how do I get it to output to vga too |
| [00:34:00] | FunkyELF: | achew22, that is not the problem....I go frame by frame and when I hit enter and the menu pops up, there is no option to delete after the frame or before the frame....it is always about moving the cutpoint to the current |
| [00:35:00] | achew22: | move the cutpoint then.... |
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| [00:35:00] | Jasper: | hmm achew22 aren't there preset lines which are #'ed in your config? |
| [00:35:00] | Jasper: | did you use nvidia-xconfig ? |
| [00:35:00] | achew22: | where is that? |
| [00:35:00] | FunkyELF: | achew22, no....I need to delete before 10:00 and after 10:03 for example |
| [00:36:00] | achew22: | whats in those 3 secconds? |
| [00:36:00] | Jasper: | hmm achew22 hang on |
| [00:36:00] | FunkyELF: | I create the cutpoint at 10 minutes, then I go to 10 minutes and 3 seconds, and hit enter....and it wants to move the 10:00 cut point to 10:03 |
| [00:36:00] | achew22: | yeah what usefull content is 3 sec. long? |
| [00:36:00] | FunkyELF: | a little clip at the end of the show |
| [00:36:00] | Juski: | achew22: "TVOutFormat" "Composite" #or S-VIDEO etc |
| [00:36:00] | Jasper: | achew22 http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/29/2147241 |
| [00:37:00] | Juski: | nice one Jasper |
| [00:37:00] | Juski: | you remembered :-) |
| [00:37:00] | FunkyELF: | it is very common.....if there is an episode where someone gets lost or left behind. they'll roll the credits and then show some commercials, then show a little 3 second clip of the guy saying "Guys, where are you?" and thats it |
| [00:37:00] | FunkyELF: | the show "the office" does it all the time |
| [00:38:00] | Juski: | what?! |
| [00:38:00] | Juski: | even more glad I don't live in the USA now |
| [00:38:00] | Jasper: | juski rememberd what? |
| [00:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:38:00] | FunkyELF: | I think "My Name is Earl" does it too.....there is always a clip of them talking in bed |
| [00:39:00] | FunkyELF: | There has got to be a place in the code to change that tolerance and re-compile it |
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| [00:41:00] | achew22: | is there a way to reboot x without rebooting the computer? |
| [00:42:00] | Jasper: | just exit it? |
| [00:42:00] | Jasper: | ctr-alt-backspace |
| [00:42:00] | achew22: | then... |
| [00:42:00] | Octane: | anyone here use SB Live! (original) with ALSA and Myth? |
| [00:44:00] | achew22: | Jasper, how do I start it with kde when its shutdown? |
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| [00:44:00] | achew22: | nevermind I'll just reboot |
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| [00:46:00] | Jasper: | startx ? |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | achew22, and in the nvidia driver readme, they go over how to setup tv out |
| [00:48:00] | kormoc: | that's such a old howto |
| [00:48:00] | Jasper: | does it matter? |
| [00:48:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:48:00] | Jasper: | if it works |
| [00:49:00] | kormoc: | it's just amsuing that it still is mostly correct :P |
| [00:49:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [00:49:00] | Jasper: | oe |
| [00:49:00] | Jasper: | dell pc for 350 euro |
| [00:51:00] | Jasper: | damn |
| [00:51:00] | Jasper: | the guy reboots to restart x.. |
| [00:53:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: in .19? |
| [00:54:00] | FunkyELF: | fozi in #mythtv said in svn you can insert a cutpoint regardless where the next cutpoint is |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: pretty sure .19 works like that, too |
| [00:55:00] | ** FunkyELF goes and tries it to be sure. ** | |
| [00:55:00] | FunkyELF: | I may not have tried it in .19 |
| [00:56:00] | bmk789: | is there anything i should know when designing a distro around mythtv? |
| [00:56:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [00:56:00] | Jasper: | will a ATA disk be fast enough for mythtv? |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, if you don't know already, there already is one, known as knoppmyth |
| [00:56:00] | Jasper: | with HD content? |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, very likely |
| [00:56:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, htparm -t /dev/hdx to speed test the drive |
| [00:57:00] | Jasper: | yeah well I don't have the drive kormoc |
| [00:57:00] | bmk789: | ive read about knoppmyth but the distro i have in mine is different than any other |
| [00:57:00] | Jasper: | I need to go buy a new one...since mine crashed this night.. |
| [00:57:00] | bmk789: | in mind* |
| [00:57:00] | Jasper: | :( |
| [00:57:00] | Jasper: | which is it then bmk789 ? |
| [00:57:00] | Jasper: | writing your own? |
| [00:57:00] | bmk789: | ya |
| [00:58:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [00:58:00] | FunkyELF: | xris, nope...I still get the "you are close to an existing cutpoint" dialog box come up |
| [00:58:00] | Jasper: | seriously bmk789 ? |
| [00:58:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [00:58:00] | Kelerion: | ok – thats neat... just tried it as a hunch... mencoder can convert the .bin file from a vcd too... thats pretty neat |
| [00:58:00] | bmk789: | planning on it |
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| [00:58:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [00:58:00] | Jasper: | why bmk789 ? |
| [00:59:00] | bmk789: | my dream would be put microsoft outta business :p |
| [00:59:00] | Jasper: | good luck |
| [00:59:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [00:59:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, it's not like there's a lot of distros out there ( http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Main_Page ) :P |
| [01:00:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, that sure is a dream, but what makes your distro unique? |
| [01:00:00] | bmk789: | easy as a mac, with clustering capabilities and a VRAID system im designing |
| [01:00:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, uh huh. And how are you going to do this? |
| [01:01:00] | bmk789: | make it my lifes work |
| [01:01:00] | Jasper: | lol |
| [01:01:00] | Jasper: | I taste some sarcasm.. |
| [01:01:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:01:00] | FunkyELF: | will it be done before the broadcast flag? |
| [01:01:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 how old are you:? |
| [01:01:00] | kormoc: | that's a lot of code to write :P |
| [01:02:00] | bmk789: | 14 but i learn fast |
| [01:02:00] | Jasper: | ah |
| [01:02:00] | Jasper: | k |
| [01:02:00] | Jasper: | .. |
| [01:02:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:02:00] | Octane: | noone here uses sblive with 5 speaker setup? |
| [01:02:00] | kormoc: | ahh, youth.. the young idealism before the crushing wieight of apathy... |
| [01:02:00] | FunkyELF: | Octane, I used to....in Windows tho : / |
| [01:02:00] | Octane: | doh! |
| [01:02:00] | Kelerion: | I used to too |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | Octane, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gaming-games . . . ts-alsa.html |
| [01:03:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 what operating system are you using right now? |
| [01:03:00] | bmk789: | gentoo |
| [01:03:00] | kormoc: | Octane, you'd need to modify it a bit but it can help you on the right track |
| [01:03:00] | bmk789: | installed it right first try :) |
| [01:03:00] | Octane: | kormoc ill check it out, good looking out |
| [01:04:00] | Jasper: | congrats bmk789 |
| [01:04:00] | Jasper: | so did I .. |
| [01:04:00] | FunkyELF: | bmk789, if you want one that is as easy as mac....I think you can run Myth natively on a mac. Why don't you get some capture cards working with it? |
| [01:04:00] | kormoc: | Yay for people who can read! :) |
| [01:04:00] | Jasper: | the manual is written nicely |
| [01:04:00] | FunkyELF: | ...right now it is only the frontend that runs on a mac right? |
| [01:04:00] | xris: | FunkyELF: just the frontend |
| [01:04:00] | Kelerion: | well.. gotta give him credit.. gentoo isn't the easiest distro to install for anyone |
| [01:04:00] | Jasper: | Kelerion even I got it running first time.. |
| [01:04:00] | ** FunkyELF is on gentoo ** | |
| [01:04:00] | kormoc: | FunkyELF, the backend in theory work run fine, just no need to check, as there's no capture card drivers yet |
| [01:05:00] | Kelerion: | I didn't say it was hard – I said it wasn't the easiest |
| [01:05:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [01:05:00] | kormoc: | Kelerion, I agree, most of the people who try just can't read, hence my joy at people who can! |
| [01:05:00] | Jasper: | but the manual of gentoo is really good..compared to some others.. |
| [01:05:00] | FunkyELF: | i want to try the new graphical installer for gentoo |
| [01:05:00] | Jasper: | although I have to say...you get more help from debian users then gentoo users.. |
| [01:05:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:05:00] | Kelerion: | it *is* one of the best written documentation project I've seen for any project |
| [01:06:00] | kormoc: | which new one? the one from 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? 2006? 2023? :P |
| [01:06:00] | FunkyELF: | American Idol Time ! ! ! |
| [01:06:00] | Jasper: | lol |
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| [01:06:00] | Kelerion: | I don't use gentoo.. but I regularly visit the docs site because the info from there is pretty usable for other distros |
| [01:06:00] | kormoc: | 99.9% of all gentoo problems can be fixed by reading the manual, forums, or bugzilla |
| [01:06:00] | bmk789: | yep |
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| [01:07:00] | Jasper: | is it gonna be graphical like windows bmk789 ? |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | would have to be, to be easy as a mac |
| [01:07:00] | bmk789: | ya |
| [01:08:00] | Jasper: | ah I forgot kormoc :P |
| [01:08:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 you gonna use single button mouse too? |
| [01:08:00] | bmk789: | hahahaha no |
| [01:08:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, http://www.groovyweb.uklinux.net/index.php?pa . . . r%20own%20os |
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| [01:09:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, that primer helped me boot my first x86 box with only my own code |
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| [01:09:00] | bmk789: | cool thx |
| [01:09:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, and I'd recommend you get qemu to test on. Having a virtual machine lock up is way better then your real one, yet alone all the reboots |
| [01:10:00] | bmk789: | ya |
| [01:10:00] | Jasper: | omg no.. |
| [01:10:00] | Jasper: | that looks like stuff I once learned at college |
| [01:10:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:10:00] | kormoc: | yay for ASM! |
| [01:12:00] | Jasper: | how long would it take to write your own system... |
| [01:12:00] | Jasper: | on your own.. |
| [01:12:00] | Kelerion: | Jasper, I was thinking the same thing... I thought I'd seen the last of that... |
| [01:13:00] | Jasper: | like only 1 year to get all your hardware running maybe.. |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, took me a weekend to have my own 'os' boot and display suff in svga modes |
| [01:13:00] | Jasper: | oh that aint too bad |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, and that satafied my taste in os development :) |
| [01:13:00] | Jasper: | ;p |
| [01:14:00] | Jasper: | I can imagine |
| [01:14:00] | Jasper: | I never liked it either |
| [01:14:00] | Jasper: | had to write software for these program boards |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | it's fun, just too blackbox without any driver documentation |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | I'm not one really into the reverse engeneering |
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| [01:15:00] | bmk789: | think i might use this http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | I'm too lazy for LFS, way too messy for me |
| [01:16:00] | Jasper: | why make it linux based |
| [01:16:00] | Jasper: | just write it all from scratch |
| [01:16:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, so how are you gonna make linux so user friendly? |
| [01:17:00] | Jasper: | kormoc if linux would have ever been user friendly....ms would be bankrupt |
| [01:17:00] | Jasper: | it will never be user friendly I guess.. |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | heh, it's getting much much better |
| [01:17:00] | Jasper: | but making it user friendly means loosing control.. |
| [01:17:00] | Jasper: | I guess.. |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | not at all, it's all about balance |
| [01:18:00] | Jasper: | yeah but that's very delicate...between getting a blue screen...or actually having logs too look in.. |
| [01:18:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:18:00] | bmk789: | im thinking of just making it debian based |
| [01:18:00] | Kelerion: | ubuntu is on the right track... damn easy to use.. but still has the power |
| [01:19:00] | kormoc: | stable, non bleeding edge hardware tends to just 'work' after some configuration with newer distros, they boot up and give you ready to go. |
| [01:19:00] | Jasper: | hmm bmk789 you're giving in a lot? |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, sure, but how are you going to make it so user friendly? Are you going to use xwindows? write your own? |
| [01:20:00] | bmk789: | kde |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, so again, how are you going to make kde so user friendly? |
| [01:20:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, a lot of os x's stuff just can not be done with how xwindows arch is today. |
| [01:21:00] | Mersault: | ubuntu is the best distro for a desktop system I've seen in a long time. I gave up on desktop linux about a little over a year ago and got a mac, but I recently tried ubuntu for mythtv, and I've got to say, I could use it if I didn't have my mac |
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| [01:22:00] | bmk789: | kde is already a lot like windows's desktop, i plan to add tools for managing programs and have some tutorials |
| [01:22:00] | Kelerion: | i have it running an internal webserver.. mail server.. and another running my mythbackend.. and a few frontends on it too |
| [01:22:00] | ** kormoc chuckles ** | |
| [01:22:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, your goals are going quite the bit down. So then, why would people use your distro? what makes it special that other distros can't have? |
| [01:22:00] | bmk789: | im not as focused on user-friendlyness as much as this VRIAD |
| [01:23:00] | kormoc: | VRIAD? |
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| [01:23:00] | bmk789: | the idea is for multiple nodes running it will create i virtual pc between themselves and each PC would be a terminal to that virtual machine |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | so sort of like xwindows? |
| [01:24:00] | bmk789: | so you can have a media center in your living room and setup a recording, then go to your bedroom later and watch that recording from another PC |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:24:00] | kormoc: | so you're gonna write a myth clone |
| [01:24:00] | ** Kelerion just smiles ** | |
| [01:25:00] | bmk789: | ok then, im crazy |
| [01:25:00] | kormoc: | hehe, not at all :P |
| [01:25:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [01:25:00] | xris: | will be even easier once myth gets zeroconf hooked up. |
| [01:25:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 what happend to writing a new distro? |
| [01:25:00] | Kelerion: | is that planned? |
| [01:25:00] | xris: | turn on the machine, or even just boot from a usb disk, and instant frontend |
| [01:26:00] | Jasper: | you're just gonna use existing stuff...it would be exciting if you made it all yourself |
| [01:26:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:26:00] | bmk789: | i didnt say writing |
| [01:26:00] | xris: | Kelerion: at some point in the future, yes. |
| [01:26:00] | Kelerion: | cool |
| [01:26:00] | xris: | lxm was supposed to help with it, but they didn't fare so well $$$-wise. |
| [01:26:00] | kormoc: | they disappeared *really* *really* fast |
| [01:26:00] | kormoc: | they opened their doors for like, one month iirc |
| [01:26:00] | xris: | kormoc: nah, was at least 6 months |
| [01:26:00] | kormoc: | ahh, my, how times flys |
| [01:27:00] | Jasper: | yeah I'm gonna write a OS tomorrow |
| [01:27:00] | xris: | I just wonder if the company behind them is still around... the one building hardware. |
| [01:27:00] | Jasper: | it's so much fun being unemployed...all this spare time.. |
| [01:27:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [01:27:00] | xris: | Jasper: man, I've been getting barraged by recruiters for weeks now. |
| [01:27:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, stop taking showers and start writing utilities and you can be the next RMS! |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | and I don't need/want a new job. |
| [01:28:00] | Jasper: | for what xris? |
| [01:28:00] | Jasper: | what kinda job? |
| [01:28:00] | Jasper: | RMS kormoc? |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | Jasper: perl/php/database stuff, mostly |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | Jasper: stalman |
| [01:28:00] | bmk789: | mythtv has a built-in transcode frontend correct? |
| [01:28:00] | Jasper: | I never finished college for that.. |
| [01:28:00] | Jasper: | only did 2 of the 4 years :P |
| [01:28:00] | xris: | bmk789: for some stuff, yes |
| [01:29:00] | xris: | Jasper: I never did any school for that.. but it paid my way through school for other things. |
| [01:29:00] | Jasper: | I only made some money writing php/mysql stufff |
| [01:30:00] | kormoc: | xris, i'd say Technovera is poofed as well, as their domain was the same as LXM |
| [01:31:00] | xris: | kormoc: they never activated the domain, though |
| [01:31:00] | xris: | they wanted to stay secret |
| [01:31:00] | xris: | it's unfortunate, though |
| [01:31:00] | kormoc: | amusing |
| [01:31:00] | kormoc: | so how did you get the theme they did? |
| [01:32:00] | xris: | me? I had an acct |
| [01:32:00] | xris: | they've released the themes to the mythtv community now, though. |
| [01:32:00] | kormoc: | hrm, but had to access it via a ip address? |
| [01:33:00] | xris: | someone is supposed to be updating them and putting them into the myth source, or at least make them available for download |
| [01:35:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [01:35:00] | Jasper: | sohuld i make it linux based.. |
| [01:35:00] | Jasper: | or just totaly from scratch.. |
| [01:35:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:35:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, go from scratch! |
| [01:36:00] | Jasper: | must be so hard.. |
| [01:36:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, we'll see you in a few months when you got a irc app written for it :P |
| [01:36:00] | Jasper: | well kormoc..that WOULD be really sweet though |
| [01:36:00] | Jasper: | meaning I got a network device working |
| [01:36:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [01:37:00] | Jasper: | but I still need a new harddisk for this |
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| [01:44:00] | Jasper: | this is actually quite interesting stuff |
| [01:44:00] | rtsai: | the lxmsuite themes (incomplete) are at http://jmeyer.us/ |
| [01:45:00] | a1fa: | sweet dude |
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| [01:47:00] | fozi: | someone running current svn with dvb? recording seems to be borked |
| [01:47:00] | a1fa: | i am running svn as of last night |
| [01:47:00] | fozi: | even with mplayer |
| [01:47:00] | a1fa: | works fine |
| [01:47:00] | rtsai: | fozi: works for me |
| [01:48:00] | Jasper: | lol is this a normal setup for a house? http://jmeyer.us/images/stories/house/dscn0904.jpg |
| [01:48:00] | fozi: | even 9233 |
| [01:49:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, nah, this is more like it! http://www.siaminet.com/images/datacenter.jpg |
| [01:50:00] | Kelerion: | what exactly *is* that first image? |
| [01:50:00] | Jasper: | agreed kormoc |
| [01:50:00] | Jasper: | it's someone's house Kelerion I guess |
| [01:50:00] | Jasper: | found it on that site http://jmeye.us/ |
| [01:50:00] | Kelerion: | I mean the kit |
| [01:50:00] | Jasper: | jmeyer.us even |
| [01:51:00] | Jasper: | no clue |
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| [01:51:00] | Kelerion: | looks like some kind of network setup |
| [01:52:00] | Jasper: | yup |
| [01:52:00] | Jasper: | I'm off to bed...have a busy day tomorrow writing own OS :) |
| [01:52:00] | Jasper: | goodnight |
| [01:52:00] | Kelerion: | g'night :) |
| [01:52:00] | bmk789: | c ya |
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| [02:07:00] | jams: | rtsai- whats incomplete about the themes? |
| [02:07:00] | a1fa: | lost is recording |
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| [02:08:00] | a1fa: | dang |
| [02:08:00] | a1fa: | tomorrow at 00:00 |
| [02:09:00] | a1fa: | those assholes |
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| [02:22:00] | rtsai: | jams: they don't implement everything, so some screens will just fall back to default stuff |
| [02:22:00] | rtsai: | it's not going to crash your system or anything; they just won't look nice on all screens |
| [02:25:00] | rtsai: | my mythbackend is recording something right now (OTA HDTV on pchdtv hd3000), and it's consuming 30% CPU. Shouldn't it be lower? |
| [02:30:00] | jams: | rtsai- again which ones? |
| [02:30:00] | jams: | besides mythphone |
| [02:31:00] | rtsai: | jams: i don't remember |
| [02:31:00] | rtsai: | look for *-ui.xml |
| [02:31:00] | rtsai: | If one is missing (music-ui.xml, video-ui.xml, games-ui.xml, etc.), then it's unimplemented |
| [02:32:00] | xpis: | Can anyone put a finger on what this sounds like? https://matthewmiddleton.com/badsound.mp3 |
| [02:32:00] | rtsai: | and some of the *-ui.xml files are themselves incomplete (e.g., missing some required box or something). |
| [02:32:00] | rtsai: | jams: just download them and try them |
| [02:32:00] | fozi: | probably, try running with -v none. 9214 has excessive log output in siparser.cpp:710–725 |
| [02:34:00] | xpis: | Note that artifacts start about 1.5s into the recording, and continue throughout the rest of the recording. |
| [02:35:00] | jams: | Already have them, just wondering what you have found that is incomplete. |
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| [02:37:00] | Kelerion: | xris – 1970s speakers.. |
| [02:38:00] | Kelerion: | or very bad feedback |
| [02:38:00] | xpis: | Kelerion: that is directly from a mythtv recording. It happens very sporadically on certain recordings, and I can't reproduce it. |
| [02:39:00] | Kelerion: | grounding maybe? |
| [02:39:00] | xpis: | btw, I'm not xris. |
| [02:39:00] | Kelerion: | oops |
| [02:40:00] | xpis: | We are two different people. |
| [02:40:00] | Kelerion: | yeah.. I know that.. I just read it wrong |
| [02:40:00] | Kelerion: | it's 2:40am |
| [02:40:00] | xpis: | Since it is certain recordings only, and for the entire recording, I am convinced it is not a hardware issue. |
| [02:42:00] | Kelerion: | don't know then.. not experienced anything like that myself |
| [02:42:00] | xpis: | It could be technically be a sound card issue, but this is a C-Media chipset that is fairly rock solid. |
| [02:42:00] | Kelerion: | it *does* sound like a grounding or interference issue.. but like you say that would happen a lot more often |
| [02:42:00] | Kelerion: | I have a cmedia card in my backend too |
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| [02:44:00] | xpis: | Hm.. since it takes exactly 1.6 seconds to start, it could be a buffer problem. |
| [02:44:00] | Kelerion: | 1,6 seconds every time it happens? |
| [02:44:00] | xpis: | Let me get a sample count... |
| [02:46:00] | xpis: | Almost exactly 65535 samples. |
| [02:46:00] | xpis: | Hardware/analog issue? I think not. |
| [02:47:00] | Kelerion: | yeah... 64k... unlikely hardware then |
| [02:48:00] | Kelerion: | no idea then.. sound card issues/debugging is outta my league |
| [02:50:00] | xpis: | Actually, it was set to 48000 samples/second, so it is higher than that, and not exactly 64kis (bitwise kilosamples) |
| [02:52:00] | xpis: | Do you have mythtv using the alsa interface directly, or using the oss/dsp emulation? |
| [02:52:00] | Kelerion: | alsa |
| [02:53:00] | xpis: | And how many recordings do you do? |
| [02:53:00] | Kelerion: | about 15 hours a day |
| [02:54:00] | xpis: | That's way more than me... so you would have noticed any problems most likely. |
| [02:55:00] | xpis: | I am using the OSS sound devices, so perhaps it's an alsa DSP emulation buffer problem. |
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| [02:56:00] | Kelerion: | I get sound out of my sat box via scart-composite convertor.. phono to 3.5mm jack to a pvr250 |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | Kelerion: I have straight rca->rca on my pvr-150 |
| [02:56:00] | xpis: | Kelerion: so you don't use the C-Media device for recording? |
| [02:57:00] | Kelerion: | its definately a software problem though |
| [02:57:00] | xpis: | xris: Want to play "guess where the bug is?": https://matthewmiddleton.com/badsound.mp3 |
| [02:58:00] | xpis: | xris: not being reproducible doesn't help things. |
| [02:58:00] | Kelerion: | that isn't possible.. the 250 dumps the audio & video directly to an mpeg file.. you can't multiplex a sound card input into it |
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| [02:58:00] | achew22: | hello all! |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | xpis: lame |
| [02:59:00] | xpis: | xris: Is that a known bug or something? |
| [02:59:00] | xris: | xpis: didn't listen to it. |
| [02:59:00] | Kelerion: | you could change the bitrate recording to 32000 or something and see if it still happens |
| [03:00:00] | achew22: | Jasper left... sad day :( |
| [03:00:00] | xpis: | Kelerion: As I said, it's not reproducible. It's happened twice, and it lasts for the length of the one recording, nothing more. |
| [03:01:00] | Kelerion: | am outta ideas then |
| [03:01:00] | achew22: | I am having a problem with xorg — it thinks my tv is widescreen, but its actualy 4:3 how do you fix that? |
| [03:02:00] | xpis: | xris: basically, somehow samples are being added to one another, creating a very annoying effect. But it doesn't happen until sample 73728. |
| [03:02:00] | xris: | weird |
| [03:03:00] | xpis: | that mp3 file is a 13 second clip from the beginning of one of the affected recordings. As I said, this has happened on two recordings out of more than a hundred. |
| [03:06:00] | xpis: | (it's a straight dump from mplayer of the affected nupplevideo file) |
| [03:08:00] | xpis: | I think this is a lame issue. I can create a very similar effect by lowering the bitrate to around 48kbps. |
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| [03:11:00] | xpis: | The actual bitrate remains the same, however, at 128kbps between "good" and "bad" recordings. |
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| [03:14:00] | rtsai: | anyone running DVB on SVN? |
| [03:15:00] | rtsai: | mythbackend is now consuming 50% while recording (OTA HDTV) |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | wow, that's bad |
| [03:15:00] | mchou: | you sure that's from myth? |
| [03:16:00] | mchou: | driver must be spinning the proc :) |
| [03:21:00] | rtsai: | whatever it is, it's being charged to mythbackend |
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| [03:25:00] | xpis: | The only thing I can think of doing is compile with debug mode and schedule many 2 minute recordings. |
| [03:26:00] | xpis: | Both recordings with the artifacts occurred when the recording quality setting was at 6. |
| [03:33:00] | rtsai: | well, I'm recording two shows at once. But even 25% I think is still high. I think it used to be like 10% CPU. |
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| [03:53:00] | fozi: | rtsai: try running with -v none. 9214 has excessive log output in siparser.cpp:710–725 |
| [03:54:00] | fozi: | but from 9223 on my recordings are screwed |
| [03:56:00] | fozi: | after 9223, see dev-list |
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| [04:00:00] | Cardoe: | someone call? |
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| [04:02:00] | rtsai: | fozi: thanks, but it's not logging (i'm not seeing many logs) |
| [04:03:00] | rtsai: | fozi: i'm pretty much latest-and-greatest, and my recordings appear fine |
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| [04:08:00] | ServerSag: | Does anybody out there have problems with mythmusic hanging or crashing mythtv altogether? |
| [04:10:00] | Krazylegz: | ServerSag: Care to elaborate? |
| [04:11:00] | rtsai: | ServerSag: I use mythmusic all the time with no problem (about 1800 MP3s) |
| [04:12:00] | ServerSag: | Krazylegz – Sure. I'll start with it hanging. If I'm listening to music, and I pause. Then press 3 to edit my list, change my list around, and hit escape to play the new list, it hangs. I'm running 0.19, Gentoo on an AMD64, an NVidia 6600 video card, and a hauppauge 350. This system is only a frontend. |
| [04:12:00] | jams: | rtsai- when the api version gets bumped the plugins need to be rebuilt |
| [04:12:00] | fozi: | rtsai: you're using atsc? for the high cpu utilization: profile mythbackend |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | hey guys |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | i finally got xbox to work |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | :P |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | too many paritions |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | HFZHXJDIOJ |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | 700 mb each |
| [04:14:00] | a1fa: | i wonder if i cen combine them into one |
| [04:15:00] | Krazylegz: | ServerSag: My MythMusic hangs sometimes, but it's due to the visualizations. I'm on .18. |
| [04:15:00] | Krazylegz: | ServerSag: So, different issue. |
| [04:16:00] | rtsai: | fozi: yes, OTA HDTV (USA) |
| [04:16:00] | rtsai: | fozi: there's no way to profile mythbackend. The "--compile-type=profile" is not a gprof kind of profiling; it's for something else unrelated |
| [04:16:00] | ServerSag: | Krazylegz – that is what I believe my second problem is related to. mythmusic causing mythtv to crash. It only happens when visuals are full screen and when the song is changing. |
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| [04:17:00] | fozi: | i'm profiling right now. 9223 uses 10–15% only for eit scanning |
| [04:17:00] | fozi: | use a debug build and callgrind |
| [04:18:00] | rtsai: | fozi: a.k.a. kcachegrind? Never used it before, but I'll look at it. |
| [04:20:00] | fozi: | rtsai: kind of kcachegrind does only visualization, callgrind is a valgrind frontend and generates the data |
| [04:21:00] | rtsai: | hmm. valgrind-callgrind is not available for breezy64 |
| [04:22:00] | ServerSag: | What exactly is callgrind? |
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| [04:23:00] | rtsai: | looks like a gprof kind of thing |
| [04:23:00] | AngryElf: | hey all, does anybody know of a way to disable the screen saver while mythfrontend is running? |
| [04:23:00] | rtsai: | AngryElf: depends on the screensaver |
| [04:24:00] | AngryElf: | gnome screensaver? |
| [04:24:00] | rtsai: | the plain-jane "X" screensaver respects DPMS (which is manipulated by mythfrontend) |
| [04:24:00] | rtsai: | I don't know anything about the GNOME screensaver |
| [04:24:00] | AngryElf: | mmk |
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| [04:38:00] | xris: | rtsai: gnome uses xscreensaver |
| [04:38:00] | xris: | kde uses its own |
| [04:38:00] | fozi: | rtsai: mythbackend creates much more PESPackets and the allocation of these takes the time |
| [04:40:00] | fozi: | but no idea why usage increased by factor 5 |
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| [04:54:00] | Shdwdrgn: | hey is there a hotkey when watching live tv to change which TV card is being displayed? |
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| [04:57:00] | rtsai: | Y changes cards; C changes inputs on a card |
| [04:58:00] | Shdwdrgn: | ah cool |
| [05:01:00] | Shdwdrgn: | ok where do I find a list of hotkeys? Looks like this second tuner card is slightly off frequency, everything is basically black&white |
| [05:02:00] | rtsai: | mythweb settings is the easiest place. Or you can use the mythcontrols plugin |
| [05:03:00] | phar0e: | anyone know what lrintf is? ffmpeg is failing because of it |
| [05:04:00] | dev-: | Shdwdrgn: keys.txt in the toplevel dir of the source has thoe hotkeys |
| [05:04:00] | dev-: | s/thoe/the |
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| [05:06:00] | a1fa: | is it possible to run xebian on softmoded xbox and still be able to use the xbox? |
| [05:07:00] | dtm: | a1fa: yeah just not with xbox live |
| [05:08:00] | Achew22: | a1fa I think so, but you need to devote an entire partition (as of last time I checked) to the linux disk so make sure you have a G drive |
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| [05:08:00] | a1fa: | i have bunch of drives |
| [05:08:00] | Shdwdrgn: | hmm does mythcontrols also control adjusting the tuner? |
| [05:08:00] | a1fa: | like 3 of them are 700mb each |
| [05:08:00] | a1fa: | i dont know why |
| [05:08:00] | Achew22: | what kind of tuner? |
| [05:08:00] | Shdwdrgn: | tv-wonder ve, I believe |
| [05:09:00] | Shdwdrgn: | the pvr-250 worked fine as-is, but this other one is a little off |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | Achew22: i read about running a linux distro inside a .iso so you dont have to actually format any of the xbox partitions |
| [05:09:00] | Achew22: | really... |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | havent tried it though. |
| [05:09:00] | Achew22: | I did that a little over a year ago though |
| [05:09:00] | Achew22: | how new is that? |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | read about it a while ago, not very new i dun thing |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | (never cared about running linux on mine heh) |
| [05:10:00] | Achew22: | i'm happy with xbmc's mythfrontend script |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | but it doesnt require any extra partitions or anything which is nice. |
| [05:10:00] | a1fa: | ok.. this is what i am going to do |
| [05:10:00] | fozi: | phar0e: man 3 lrintf |
| [05:10:00] | a1fa: | run live cd |
| [05:10:00] | a1fa: | so i wont be needing a partition |
| [05:10:00] | fozi: | rounding function |
| [05:15:00] | Achew22: | does anyone here have any experience with uspash or bootsplash |
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| [05:17:00] | a1fa: | i wonder if i can boot knopmyth |
| [05:17:00] | a1fa: | on a xbox |
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| [05:18:00] | phar0e: | fozi: thank you |
| [05:19:00] | fozi: | you're welcome |
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| [05:21:00] | a1fa: | hey who was using xbmc? |
| [05:24:00] | Achew22: | me |
| [05:24:00] | Achew22: | i was |
| [05:24:00] | Achew22: | i'm cool |
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| [05:24:00] | dev-: | get ready for stupid squestions now |
| [05:24:00] | dev-: | :P |
| [05:25:00] | sri: | hi folks, does mysql 5.0 work wtih mythtv? |
| [05:25:00] | sri: | I'm getting some trouble downloading stuff from zapit. |
| [05:25:00] | sri: | it wont' import my schedule |
| [05:25:00] | dev-: | some people dont have problems with 5, some people have problems — regarless, 5 is not officially supported |
| [05:25:00] | Achew22: | I ran mysql5 |
| [05:25:00] | Achew22: | then my box died |
| [05:25:00] | Achew22: | (not mysqls fault) |
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| [05:25:00] | sri: | there's a problem wtih some missing tables I think. |
| [05:25:00] | Achew22: | drop the table and refill |
| [05:26:00] | sri: | no, the table doesn't exist in teh first place. |
| [05:26:00] | phar0e: | sri: I run mysql5 but i'm noticing some oddities |
| [05:26:00] | sri: | dd_schedule is the table. |
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| [05:27:00] | sri: | phar0e: yeah, I blame ubuntu dapper which forces me to use mysql 5.0 instead of 4.1 |
| [05:27:00] | sri: | for mythtv |
| [05:27:00] | a1fa: | dev- : get ready for stupid ? |
| [05:28:00] | sri: | but it's kind of a bummer because I don't have any channel data. |
| [05:28:00] | dev-: | just going by past experience ;/ |
| [05:28:00] | sri: | so I think teh issue is that I can't create a temp table. |
| [05:28:00] | a1fa: | fu ;P |
| [05:29:00] | a1fa: | Achew22 : check your messages |
| [05:30:00] | dev-: | heh |
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| [05:30:00] | dev-: | cant you just read things ;\ |
| [05:30:00] | Achew22: | a1fa sorry — legal issues cant help |
| [05:31:00] | a1fa: | lo; |
| [05:31:00] | a1fa: | dev- : i am running unleashedx |
| [05:32:00] | a1fa: | Achew22 : 2nd question |
| [05:32:00] | Achew22: | yes |
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| [05:33:00] | a1fa: | Achew22 |
| [05:34:00] | Achew22: | yes |
| [05:34:00] | a1fa: | yes what |
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| [05:34:00] | a1fa: | it is ~ 40mb? |
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| [05:34:00] | Achew22: | yeah |
| [05:34:00] | Achew22: | 40+mb |
| [05:34:00] | a1fa: | kewl |
| [05:34:00] | Achew22: | compressed |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | its big, aint it |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | its huge — I compiled it once... holy hell |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | I left it and after 2 hours went and got the binary |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | i am compiling it as we speak :P |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | ?? your compiling? |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | it only took me 2minutes to compile |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | why just get hte binary |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | i used the ftpcc |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | I did it on shitty computer though |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | the ftp compiler |
| [05:35:00] | a1fa: | :P |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | thats cool |
| [05:35:00] | Achew22: | i'm going to google that |
| [05:36:00] | Achew22: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/ there you go for hte script |
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| [05:37:00] | phoner: | anyone know why I can't seem to choose any options on a recording? |
| [05:37:00] | a1fa: | hm |
| [05:37:00] | phoner: | like they are all grey |
| [05:37:00] | a1fa: | xbmcmythtv 0.18.2 |
| [05:37:00] | sri: | okay, so there's some bug thats causing this |
| [05:38:00] | a1fa: | sucks |
| [05:38:00] | a1fa: | i am running svn |
| [05:38:00] | sri: | apparently when it doe the insert, it uses 'repeat' which apparently is a reserved word in mysql 5.0 |
| [05:38:00] | a1fa: | i wonder if it is going to bitch about the protocol |
| [05:38:00] | sri: | you ahve to patch datadirect.cpp |
| [05:38:00] | sri: | sigh |
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| [05:40:00] | phoner: | ha, they are there now after a few reboots |
| [05:40:00] | a1fa: | later guys |
| [05:40:00] | a1fa: | sleepy time |
| [05:41:00] | Achew22: | is there a way to have mythfrontend run a program at start and then a different one on end |
| [05:42:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, if you script it |
| [05:42:00] | Achew22: | what if its just 1 command |
| [05:42:00] | Achew22: | pkill screensaver |
| [05:42:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, if you script it |
| [05:42:00] | Achew22: | then on end run the screen saver deamon again |
| [05:42:00] | Achew22: | how do you tell it to run the scripts? |
| [05:43:00] | kormoc: | a script is just a list of commands |
| [05:43:00] | kormoc: | I mean like |
| [05:43:00] | kormoc: | in a file called mythfrontend.sh, have the command to kill the screensaver, then run the frontend, then run the screensaver |
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| [05:45:00] | Achew22: | aaw... sad |
| [05:45:00] | Achew22: | thats not a very elegant solution |
| [05:46:00] | kormoc: | it's the unix way |
| [05:46:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:46:00] | Achew22: | lol |
| [05:46:00] | dev-: | Achew22: you realy should learn a scripting language like ksh or bash |
| [05:46:00] | Achew22: | is there a way to have it turn off screensaving only when your playing media? |
| [05:46:00] | dev-: | its very usefull when working with unix. |
| [05:46:00] | Achew22: | i know bash — its very similar to batch |
| [05:46:00] | Achew22: | bash = batch + crack |
| [05:46:00] | kormoc: | I beleive myth already attempts to do that |
| [05:46:00] | dev-: | hrm.. then im surprised you didnt think of this. |
| [05:46:00] | Achew22: | I have had it screensave on me |
| [05:46:00] | kormoc: | if you know bash, why did I have to explain it to you? :P |
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| [05:47:00] | Achew22: | I remember a section in the setup that delt with running scripts on startup |
| [05:47:00] | Achew22: | thats why |
| [05:47:00] | dev-: | kormoc: myth disables dpms, not the screensaver itself i dont think |
| [05:47:00] | kormoc: | ahh, makes sense, as that's my 'screensaver' at home |
| [05:47:00] | dev-: | yerah, same |
| [05:48:00] | Achew22: | so is there a way to do this... cause if I turn on the box and leave it at the "Watch TV" screen I want a screensaver --but I don't want one when I'm watching tv |
| [05:48:00] | Achew22: | or does it do it auto |
| [05:48:00] | kormoc: | if it supports Digital Power Management System (dpms) it does |
| [05:49:00] | Achew22: | i think ubuntu has dpms... |
| [05:49:00] | Achew22: | lets see... |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | heh its not a package or anything, its built into x |
| [05:50:00] | Achew22: | now i feel like a tool ;) |
| [05:50:00] | kormoc: | and dependant on the monitor/tv iirc |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | Option "DPMS" |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | yup |
| [05:50:00] | Achew22: | its an option? |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | yup |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | in the monitor section |
| [05:51:00] | Achew22: | yep — its turned on then |
| [05:51:00] | Achew22: | maybe it was my old box that screenblanked... |
| [05:52:00] | dev-: | ive never tried dpms with my tv so dunno if there's something special you need to do |
| [05:52:00] | dev-: | its not plasma/lcd and the tv is not left on the menu screen for hours at a time so im not worried about it ;) |
| [05:52:00] | Achew22: | dev- its worse — rear projection |
| [05:53:00] | dev-: | ah, yeah, should have it blank after 10–15minutes probably |
| [05:53:00] | dev-: | id just have it suspend not try to poweroff like a monitor |
| [05:55:00] | Achew22: | hrm... |
| [05:55:00] | Achew22: | how do I go about that? |
| [05:56:00] | dev-: | xscreensaver, just configure the power management options and leave the little grpahical things turned off |
| [05:57:00] | Achew22: | damnit... why is vnc not working now! |
| [06:02:00] | Achew22: | dev- okay I fixed vnc, what screen do I need to goto |
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| [06:57:00] | Mersault: | I'm having trouble getting zsnes or fce-ultra to recognize commands from my remote/lirc. Is there anything special I have to do? or do I need a keyboard around to escape from zsnes? |
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| [07:11:00] | hydroksyde: | erm... what do i need installed for auto insert notification to work? |
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| [07:49:00] | phar0e: | :) Hi. |
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| [08:10:00] | ma123: | I have tried to setup up lirc with gentoo/mythtv but when i run irw, i get a: connect: Connection refused. Does anyone know what to do? |
| [08:10:00] | kormoc: | ma123, edit /etc/conf.d/lircd and make sure the device in that file is correct |
| [08:11:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:11:00] | kormoc: | ma123, for mine, it was set to /dev/lirc0 and the correct device was /dev/lirc/0 iirc |
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| [08:12:00] | ma123: | ok |
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| [08:20:00] | ma123: | i still get: connect: Connection refused, i have /dev/lirc /dev/lircd i my /dev dir.... |
| [08:20:00] | kormoc: | you should have /dev/lirc/0 as well |
| [08:20:00] | kormoc: | as that would be the actual remote device |
| [08:20:00] | ma123: | i only have those two......Can i create lirc/0 ? |
| [08:21:00] | kormoc: | no, the lirc driver should do that |
| [08:21:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:22:00] | ma123: | what can i then do, i tryed to reinstall lirc with emerge and from source with out luck |
| [08:23:00] | Calroth: | do you have permissions to the device? |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | maybe your device isn't detected? |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | Calroth, that's the issue, he doesn't have the /dev/lirc/0 device |
| [08:23:00] | kormoc: | ma123, does dmesg show anything useful? |
| [08:23:00] | Calroth: | or maybe he does, but not chown'ed to the right user |
| [08:23:00] | ** kormoc points to where he said he didn't have the device ** | |
| [08:23:00] | ma123: | no dmesg does not show me anything |
| [08:24:00] | Calroth: | (i found out last night that somewhere along the line, my mythtv user was removed from the cdrom group... causing mythdvd to stop working) |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | Calroth, heh, but he's running irw as root :P |
| [08:24:00] | kormoc: | ma123, hrm, does it show any output? |
| [08:25:00] | ma123: | i2c_adapter i2c-0: master_xfer[0] W, addr=0x40, len=5 from dmesg |
| [08:25:00] | Calroth: | this lirc is installed from portage, right? |
| [08:25:00] | Calroth: | what did you set LIRC_OPTS to? |
| [08:26:00] | ma123: | to use hauppauge drivers |
| [08:26:00] | Calroth: | you have a nova-t or some such? |
| [08:26:00] | kormoc: | is lirc being loaded after the hauppauge driver? |
| [08:27:00] | ma123: | i have a hauppauge pvr350 and i used this howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
| [08:27:00] | Calroth: | i remember being some drawback to the hauppage lirc support that caused me to make a homebrew serial receiver, but I can't remember what it was |
| [08:28:00] | ma123: | yes i reloaded lirc with depmod -a, modprobe and restart before trying it |
| [08:29:00] | Calroth: | does the remote work without using lirc? |
| [08:30:00] | ma123: | the remote works i have had it all setup before..... |
| [08:30:00] | ma123: | but i am missing the lirc/0 file in dev, cant find anywhere |
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| [08:32:00] | ma123: | is there a way you can may lirc regenerate it, like alsa can with dsp? |
| [08:32:00] | kormoc: | rmmod lirc-* |
| [08:32:00] | kormoc: | modprobe lirc-* |
| [08:32:00] | kormoc: | replacing * with your driver |
| [08:33:00] | ma123: | my ivtv driver? |
| [08:33:00] | ma123: | or i2c |
| [08:33:00] | kormoc: | the lirc driver |
| [08:33:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:34:00] | kormoc: | for mine, it's lirc-mceusb2, you'll have something similar |
| [08:35:00] | ma123: | where can you see the driver? |
| [08:36:00] | kormoc: | find /lib/modules | grep ko | grep lirc |
| [08:37:00] | ma123: | i get: /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r1/misc/lirc_dev.ko and /lib/modules/2.6.15-gentoo-r1/misc/lirc_i2c.ko |
| [08:37:00] | kormoc: | you're missing a driver I would say |
| [08:37:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:37:00] | ma123: | in kernel? |
| [08:37:00] | kormoc: | no, lirc should have built it via emerge |
| [08:37:00] | ma123: | ok |
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| [08:39:00] | Calroth: | did you set the variable LIRC_OPTS when running emerge? |
| [08:39:00] | Calroth: | you said you did, but just checking ;-) |
| [08:39:00] | ma123: | yes i used: echo 'LIRC_OPTS="--with-driver=hauppauge"' >> /etc/make.conf |
| [08:39:00] | ma123: | [ ! -d /etc/portage ] && mkdir -p /etc/portage |
| [08:39:00] | ma123: | echo 'app-misc/lirc ~x86' >> /etc/portage/package.keywords |
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| [08:40:00] | ma123: | i have also checked the files and they are in there.... |
| [08:40:00] | Calroth: | try re-emerging it, at the end where it is installing all your files, check what it is putting into /lib/modules |
| [08:40:00] | Calroth: | ah ok then |
| [08:40:00] | kormoc: | ma123, which files are there? |
| [08:40:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | ma123, and uhh |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | ma123, you missed the last e on hauppauge |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | hence why the driver didn't build I'd venture to guess |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | oh, nm |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | I just misread it |
| [08:41:00] | ma123: | lirc_dev.ko and lirc_i2c.ko as drivers and lirc and lircd in /dev |
| [08:42:00] | kormoc: | http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html |
| [08:42:00] | kormoc: | according to that, you don't need a third driver, oddly enough |
| [08:43:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:43:00] | Calroth: | with the hauppauge cards, i think the hauppauge driver itself implements the remote control |
| [08:43:00] | Calroth: | and sends it as keyboard events to the OS |
| [08:43:00] | Calroth: | and lirc is just a wrapper for that |
| [08:43:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:43:00] | Calroth: | but I dunno for sure, maybe someone with a PVR-350 can say for sure :-) |
| [08:43:00] | ma123: | but it still does not work :( |
| [08:44:00] | Calroth: | sorry |
| [08:44:00] | ma123: | and i have ivtv drivers in also... |
| [08:44:00] | ma123: | they work |
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| [08:45:00] | Calroth: | it's why i asked if the remote works without lirc |
| [08:45:00] | ma123: | ok |
| [08:45:00] | Calroth: | because it should act like a keyboard |
| [08:45:00] | Calroth: | just putting numbers to the console |
| [08:46:00] | ma123: | hmm that i have not tried |
| [08:46:00] | ma123: | how would you test that? |
| [08:46:00] | Calroth: | do "rmmod" on the lirc modules, and just try hitting buttons on the remote? |
| [08:50:00] | ma123: | nothing happens |
| [08:51:00] | Calroth: | strange |
| [08:52:00] | Calroth: | the card itself works fine though, right? |
| [08:52:00] | Calroth: | for recording/playback |
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| [08:53:00] | ma123: | yes the card works, i have had it up and running with FC4, Arch and so....Works fine |
| [08:53:00] | ma123: | i also get the right output when running ivtv-detect |
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| [09:25:00] | phar0e: | my HD STB from my cable company should ouput SD over the S-video out, correct? then I can just plug that into a tv tuner card in my system and record? |
| [09:27:00] | kormoc: | phar0e, correct, as long as you also have a ir blaster or some other way to change the channel on the cable box |
| [09:30:00] | phar0e: | I can control it via firewire! and then use firewire to also capture the HD streams |
| [09:30:00] | phar0e: | so it'll be perfect, I'll be able to get all my subscribed premium channels over S-video and HD over firewire |
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| [09:35:00] | phar0e: | kormoc: thank you |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | sounds nice, aye :) |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | g'luck with it :) |
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| [09:39:00] | phar0e: | I need luck?! it won't just work when I plug it in? arrrrrggggghhhh |
| [09:42:00] | stuarta: | luck is like lurve, everyone needs a bit :) |
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| [10:01:00] | stuarta: | morning juski |
| [10:02:00] | Juski: | morning stuarta. another day at the office |
| [10:02:00] | Jasper^bed: | morning people |
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| [10:04:00] | sony: | errr |
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| [10:06:00] | Juski: | farking piece of _crap_ windows machine |
| [10:06:00] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [10:07:00] | Juski: | play a media file, aaany kind of file. hang |
| [10:07:00] | rf: | juski: I think it's meant to do that :-) |
| [10:07:00] | Juski: | (sometimes). not every time |
| [10:07:00] | Juski: | I know... I'll reboot & look at the log... ah |
| [10:07:00] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [10:09:00] | rf: | for a seasoned mythtv junkie: I have used linux for over 10 years. I currently use debian for servers. I have a tivo. I feel a little lazy. Am I better off (being new to mythtv) installing debian and going from there or using another dist like knoppmyth? |
| [10:09:00] | stuarta: | use debian, works a treat for me |
| [10:09:00] | rf: | tivo comment only there in case the advice is to stick with a tivo :-) |
| [10:10:00] | phar0e: | where's the fun in that? |
| [10:10:00] | rf: | yeah, thinking that might be the go. |
| [10:10:00] | Calroth: | debian is fun |
| [10:10:00] | Juski: | where's the sense in having a tivo if you're a seasoned linux-head ? |
| [10:10:00] | rf: | to be honest I've tried knoppmyth twice and am finding it's attempts at 'user friendlyness' going against it as it really isnt that helpful or automatic at all for me... |
| [10:11:00] | stuarta: | so you can try & put linux on it? |
| [10:11:00] | rf: | Juski: Wife. |
| [10:11:00] | Calroth: | you know linux, so some advice everyone says: get all your components working outside of myth before starting on myth :-) |
| [10:11:00] | Juski: | rf: I have a wife too. she lovees mythtv |
| [10:11:00] | rf: | Juski: which is why I'm trying mythtv now :-). I expect it will do most wonderful things that the tivo can't. |
| [10:12:00] | Calroth: | the differences between distros don't go away when using myth... so use whatever distro you know and love |
| [10:12:00] | Juski: | there are better apps from my point of view for live tv, but I don't care about livetv |
| [10:12:00] | stuarta: | stuff I want to watch is on when I have better things to do. |
| [10:13:00] | Juski: | same here ;) |
| [10:13:00] | rf: | I want it to record tv, do season passes, get tv guide data primarily (like the tivo). However, outputting at greater than SDTV, and being able to play media files (h.264, divx, etc) are bonuses |
| [10:13:00] | Juski: | outputting SDTV @ higher resolution is futile |
| [10:13:00] | rf: | ok. debian it is. |
| [10:13:00] | Juski: | shite in, shite out ;-) |
| [10:13:00] | rf: | juski: i have an hdtv tuner which I'd like to output |
| [10:14:00] | phar0e: | i'll trade anyone a wife for a working mythtv setup |
| [10:14:00] | Juski: | HDTV snags it then |
| [10:14:00] | stuarta: | phar0e: incompatible with gf 4.5 |
| [10:14:00] | rf: | I have a wife but no mythv. I hope to have my cake and eat it too. |
| [10:14:00] | phar0e: | haha |
| [10:15:00] | rf: | this is going to be fun. I havent installed Xwindows on a linux box in at least five years. |
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| [10:15:00] | Juski: | rf: good plan, installing X. it's much more 'fun' using directfb |
| [10:16:00] | stuarta: | it's a lot easier than it was. |
| [10:16:00] | rf: | i'm assuming myth requires X? |
| [10:17:00] | Calroth: | pretty much, yes |
| [10:18:00] | Calroth: | there are probably some ways you can run mythfrontend without it, but x.org is the way to go |
| [10:18:00] | Juski: | rf: not quite, but it's a royal PITA to get working with directFB. and chances are you'll need good acceleration, so it's best to go with X |
| [10:18:00] | rf: | x it is. |
| [10:20:00] | Juski: | you don't need Gnome or KDE though. lots of people prefer lightweight WMs |
| [10:21:00] | rf: | yeah. if I use kde/gnome it'll probably be just for installation and be removed once it works right. will probably use icewm or something I suspect otherwise. |
| [10:21:00] | phar0e: | you need gnome like a spear in the gut |
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| [10:33:00] | Calroth: | i don't even use any window manager at all :-p |
| [10:34:00] | Calroth: | only problem is, mplayer needs a wm else it doesn't accept keystrokes... so that's why we have lirc ;-) |
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| [10:35:00] | phar0e: | yeah I need to use blackbox or mplayer won't work :( |
| [10:36:00] | Juski: | mplayer? heh. I need to use xine or I don't get hardware accelerated playback |
| [10:36:00] | phar0e: | I don't have any hardware worth accelerating |
| [10:37:00] | Juski: | good thing I prefer xine or I'd be stuffed |
| [10:38:00] | rf: | remote controls... the next level of fun I get to have once I see a picture :-) |
| [10:39:00] | phar0e: | ow, I stretched and pulled a muscle in my abdomen |
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| [10:53:00] | Juski: | rf: btw a good tactic will be to test your video capture hardware before you even go near mythtv ;-) |
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| [11:03:00] | galorin: | I'm getting loads of [mpeg2video @ 0xb7304fc4]ac-tex damaged at ... errors when trying to watch livetv. What do these errors mean, and how do I fix them? |
| [11:05:00] | stuarta: | bad data stream, check your aerial |
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| [11:07:00] | galorin: | channels come in fine over tzap/dvbstream,.. I'll check the ariel anyhow |
| [11:08:00] | Juski: | usually ac-tex damaged errors come from having double figures in BER |
| [11:09:00] | galorin: | ??? |
| [11:10:00] | Juski: | check your BER in tzap. if it's not a signal strength issue, it's possible interference is getting into the card or aerial cable |
| [11:10:00] | Juski: | digital != robust |
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| [11:11:00] | stuarta: | depends how you implement it :-P |
| [11:11:00] | Juski: | BER stands for basic error rate. basic errors will be seen as glitches in the mpeg stream |
| [11:11:00] | Jasper^bed: | damn |
| [11:11:00] | ** stuarta thought BER = Bit Error Rate ** | |
| [11:11:00] | Juski: | stuarta: yeh it does, but freeview is sold on being 'plug & play' |
| [11:11:00] | Jasper^bed: | they should make, throwing your harddisk on concrete an olympic sport |
| [11:12:00] | Juski: | stuarta: either or.. errors is errors ;-) |
| [11:12:00] | stuarta: | and errors = glitches... |
| [11:12:00] | galorin: | ok. ber is 00000000 |
| [11:13:00] | Juski: | now if the broadcasters didn't use QAM64 and crammed the muxes less, all the channels would be a lot more resilient |
| [11:13:00] | Juski: | more error correction, or more channels.. hmmm... |
| [11:14:00] | Juski: | galorin: you can sometimes see actex damaged messages & not see any glitches |
| [11:14:00] | galorin: | the livetv is unwatchable |
| [11:14:00] | Juski: | one thing you can try is using an alternative mpeg2 decoder in mythtv.. try libmpeg |
| [11:14:00] | stuarta: | what version you running? |
| [11:15:00] | rf: | thanks for the help guys – hope to be mythtical rsn |
| [11:15:00] | rf: | ;-) |
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| [11:15:00] | gbee: | stuarta: are you using current svn? is it broken for you too? |
| [11:15:00] | stuarta: | there's talk at the moment that 9227 is broken |
| [11:16:00] | gbee: | yup, it is |
| [11:16:00] | stuarta: | gbee: I'm normally 1/2 a day behind (on 9221 now, & it's fine) |
| [11:16:00] | Juski: | galorin: is the video pausing lots? in SVN (before 0.19) I'd get fluid video & sound for a second, then a pause, then fluid video.. pause.. etc. the EIT grabber was hogging all my CPU, and it wasn't fixed for 0.19 |
| [11:17:00] | stuarta: | juski: it's getting better.... |
| [11:17:00] | Juski: | stuarta: I appreciate you guys knew there was more work to do than the deadline allowed, and you wanted to do it properly ;-) |
| [11:18:00] | stuarta: | The work is now in progress :) |
| [11:18:00] | gbee: | it's fine upto 9223, 9224 breaks it entirely, 9227 you get video but it is unwatchable :) |
| [11:18:00] | stuarta: | sadly 9227 is broken, 9228 has the first part of eit caching :( |
| [11:18:00] | gbee: | aye .. was looking forward to that |
| [11:19:00] | Juski: | how come DVB keeps getting broken? |
| [11:19:00] | stuarta: | daniel is in ATSC land... |
| [11:19:00] | stuarta: | limits his testing. |
| [11:19:00] | Juski: | new recorder class needed? so you can have one for ATSC, one for 'proper' DVB ? |
| [11:20:00] | ** stuarta scratches head ** | |
| [11:21:00] | stuarta: | gbee: 9224 touches all the vital areas for dvb |
| [11:21:00] | galorin: | Juski, I've just done a svn checkout and built from that. On .19 I got that same behavior |
| [11:22:00] | fozi: | yes and 9224 breaks badly |
| [11:22:00] | stuarta: | galorin: suggest you test svn no later than 9223. |
| [11:22:00] | fozi: | 9223 is working |
| [11:22:00] | gbee: | stuarta: I bow to your superior knowledge of things DVB |
| [11:23:00] | stuarta: | only learnt from trying to understand the old siparser.... :0 |
| [11:24:00] | gbee: | might learn one day, but right now I've got plenty of work I want to do elsewhere in Myth :) |
| [11:25:00] | stuarta: | I started initally looking at interactive tv stuff & got distracted by eit :) |
| [11:26:00] | gbee: | have you looked at the interactive tv patch yet? |
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| [11:26:00] | stuarta: | looked, not tried. sounds like it's 90% of the way there. |
| [11:26:00] | galorin: | stuarta, I'm not that familiar with the inner workings of svn.. how do I manage to check out SVN before a certain update? |
| [11:26:00] | stuarta: | svn update -r 9223 |
| [11:27:00] | gbee: | svn up -r *revision* |
| [11:28:00] | stuarta: | gbee: eit cache needs more infrastructure changes before it becomes fully effective |
| [11:29:00] | Juski: | finally got some nvidia drivers on my work machine. yay! reboot time |
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| [11:29:00] | galorin: | ok, ta. Now I aint on broadband.. fun |
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| [11:30:00] | Jasper^bed: | hmm is it possible to build myth on a usb stick? |
| [11:31:00] | gbee: | stuarta: small steps in the right direction |
| [11:32:00] | stuarta: | yep, bit by bit. the stuff janne is doing is good too. |
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| [11:51:00] | Jasper^bed: | time to do some flashing on mb |
| [11:52:00] | Juski: | uh-oh, here comes trouble |
| [11:53:00] | Jasper^bed: | :p |
| [11:56:00] | stuarta: | especially since he's still in bed :-P |
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| [12:17:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [12:42:00] | Juski: | hmmm DVB-S cards are getting cheaper. might have to put that dish back on the side of my house soon |
| [12:43:00] | stuarta: | I'm missing the house & the dish :( |
| [12:45:00] | Juski: | it's reckoned that free HDTV will come to the UK first by satellite |
| [12:45:00] | stuarta: | only place they have the bandwidth |
| [12:45:00] | Juski: | yup |
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| [12:50:00] | gbee: | Carlitos Way on ITV4 > 2:14 = 2Gb; Hunt for Red October on BBC 1 > 2:19 = 4.4Gb |
| [12:51:00] | gbee: | never realised that the bit-rates on ITV3/4 etc were that crappy :) |
| [12:51:00] | gbee: | does mean I can get two films to a DVD though |
| [12:51:00] | stuarta: | how do you think they have so many channels? |
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| [12:52:00] | gbee: | if only all those channels that have been squeezed in were worth watching |
| [12:53:00] | stuarta: | should be possible, so long as the total no more than around 4.6–4.7Gb |
| [12:53:00] | Juski: | if only they had a reasonable number of channels... |
| [12:53:00] | Juski: | blame Tessa Frickin Jowell |
| [12:53:00] | stuarta: | there support for sport is rubbish. |
| [12:53:00] | Juski: | don't care about sport, but I think everyone will agree there are too many chuff channels |
| [12:54:00] | gbee: | not enough money to compete with pay per view on sport |
| [12:54:00] | stuarta: | ch5 managed a sunday night & monday night complete NFL game in season. |
| [12:54:00] | stuarta: | postseason itv show 1hr highligh package... |
| [12:54:00] | Juski: | hey we get _more_ channels soon! |
| [12:55:00] | stuarta: | what this time? |
| [12:55:00] | Juski: | citv, then filmfour, then another C5 channel |
| [12:55:00] | gbee: | Juski: when the switchover occurs we'll get more |
| [12:55:00] | stuarta: | I know about filmfour |
| [12:55:00] | Juski: | gbee: when they switch analogue off, the old analogue space goes to the highest bidder |
| [12:55:00] | stuarta: | citv placeholder is transmitting already |
| [12:55:00] | Juski: | so we won't necessarily get more channels |
| [12:56:00] | Juski: | I've been trying to find out exactly what can be had on FTA satellite |
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| [12:57:00] | gbee: | things like E4 are not on FTA satellite because of contract obligations with Sky |
| [12:57:00] | stuarta: | ask dibblah... |
| [12:57:00] | ** Juski doesn't care about E4 ** | |
| [12:57:00] | stuarta: | e4 is good when there is no BB crap. |
| [12:58:00] | gbee: | wouldn't mind using my dish as a second source |
| [12:58:00] | Juski: | hmm.. seems the only FTA HDTV service in europe is ProSeiben |
| [12:58:00] | gbee: | actually watch more of More4 myself |
| [12:58:00] | Juski: | more4.. 704x576 at 512kbits... ;-) |
| [12:59:00] | stuarta: | bbc have a test hdtv channel |
| [13:02:00] | Juski: | sill can't find a proper HDTV set.. not even one that does 1280x720 |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | Juski: my sony 30" does 1280x720 |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | well, course it overscans |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | so not all of it is on the screen |
| [13:03:00] | Juski: | as expected |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | oh, nm |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | you are talking about something else |
| [13:03:00] | Juski: | how much did that cost then? ;-) |
| [13:04:00] | fryfrog: | In US, $~$800 |
| [13:04:00] | fryfrog: | I don't have the dough for a $2,000+ type tv |
| [13:04:00] | fryfrog: | its a 30", WS CRT HDTV |
| [13:04:00] | Juski: | ahhh.. yet to see any CRT HD sets here |
| [13:04:00] | fryfrog: | sukes :( |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | is the HD spec in EU diff from US? |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | (duh?) |
| [13:05:00] | Juski: | nah. |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | so could you USE a us tv? |
| [13:05:00] | Juski: | theoretically |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | interESting |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [13:05:00] | Juski: | depends if it has a universal PSU or not |
| [13:06:00] | fryfrog: | Transformers FTW!! |
| [13:10:00] | ** Juski has the distinct impression that dealers are trying to offload overstocks of rubbish ** | |
| [13:12:00] | Hoxzer: | how do I change background color to black so I wouldn't see those "blue lines" on top of the screen or in the bottom of it, when watching wide screen |
| [13:12:00] | Juski: | xvattr |
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| [13:15:00] | Hoxzer: | Juski: was that answer for me? |
| [13:15:00] | Juski: | RZ60PY10 – £3000 and it still only does XGA. ahh well I'll try again in 6 months |
| [13:15:00] | Juski: | Hoxzer: xvattr – it's mentioned in the mythtv FM |
| [13:15:00] | Hoxzer: | FM? |
| [13:15:00] | Juski: | as in RTFM |
| [13:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Fine Manual |
| [13:16:00] | Juski: | as in 'read the fine manual' |
| [13:22:00] | Juski: | just had a look in the 'all in one page' doc & it's not mentioned there. sure I saw it a while ago |
| [13:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | It comes up often enough that there has gotten be something in the wiki about it |
| [13:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/gotten/gotta |
| [13:23:00] | Juski: | ahh yeh the wiki wiki |
| [13:23:00] | Juski: | for one time only... |
| [13:23:00] | Juski: | xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0 |
| [13:25:00] | Hoxzer: | I already googled it :D |
| [13:25:00] | Hoxzer: | worked :) |
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| [13:34:00] | STemplar_: | does anybody know if there is a command line tool to import the channels.conf file in myth? |
| [13:35:00] | stuarta: | it's in mythtv-setup |
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| [13:36:00] | STemplar_: | yeah I know but I am writing a script that does an autoconfig |
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| [13:40:00] | stuarta: | have a look at mythfilldatabase. |
| [13:41:00] | STemplar_: | ok gonna check it out |
| [13:42:00] | stuarta: | not sure if it is exactly what you want... |
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| [13:50:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: if you're after importing a channels.conf because scanning doesn't work, you'll need to select 'import channels.conf' as a scanning method in mythtv-setup (SVN & 0.19 only) |
| [13:51:00] | stuarta: | Juski: he want's to automate importing it |
| [13:51:00] | Juski: | ah |
| [13:51:00] | galorin: | ta for the help earlier, rolling back fixed the tv problem, but I've got a mythmusic problem. Mythmusic seems to not be able to play back any music files |
| [13:53:00] | galorin: | I must have done something wrong with it, but I've got no idea what |
| [13:59:00] | a1fa: | o dpmt fee; gppd |
| [13:59:00] | a1fa: | :( |
| [14:00:00] | a1fa: | i dont feel good |
| [14:00:00] | stuarta: | the usual problem is people forgetting to install mythtv before building the plugins |
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| [14:01:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: I want to make an auto setup script that does the importing of channels automatically and what will set up the channels with the right channel number and corresponding eit scan and xmltv id's |
| [14:01:00] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [14:01:00] | STemplar_: | I have it all working except for the importing of channels.conf |
| [14:02:00] | STemplar_: | I want to do that with the commandline |
| [14:02:00] | Juski: | should be easy enough to do with a bit of PERL |
| [14:02:00] | STemplar_: | ok |
| [14:02:00] | STemplar_: | I am not very into perl haha, will read a howto then ;) |
| [14:02:00] | a1fa: | stuarta ? |
| [14:03:00] | stuarta: | that was for galorin |
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| [14:04:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: first step would be to parse the .conf file for the different muxes, then write the data into dtv_multiplex rows. Then, referencing said table, make entries in the channel table accordingly |
| [14:04:00] | galorin: | I'm sure I built the plugins after, but what the heck, just takes a few minutes to re-do the plugins. |
| [14:04:00] | STemplar_: | ok gonna check it out no |
| [14:04:00] | STemplar_: | w |
| [14:05:00] | STemplar_: | I read that there was an old perl script that did all this |
| [14:06:00] | galorin: | Oh, minor annoyance. I've got a couple channels that the scanner hasn't picked up, so I've used the import channels.conf to get 'em in, but I'm not picking up any EIT data for them, even after telling it to in the channel editor |
| [14:06:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: there sure was |
| [14:07:00] | Juski: | galorin: the mux the channels you're not getting data for may have incomplete data in dtv_multiplex |
| [14:07:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: do you know where I can find it? that would make it a lot easier ;) |
| [14:08:00] | Juski: | galorin: I found that without networkid & another column, EIT scanning didn't for every mux |
| [14:09:00] | galorin: | yep Iv'e got missing data for some of the MUXes. How do I get ahold of this data? |
| [14:10:00] | Juski: | galorin: networkid should be the same for all the muxes AFAIK |
| [14:10:00] | stuarta: | rescanning will update the database. |
| [14:10:00] | Juski: | aha.. |
| [14:10:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: found something.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [14:11:00] | stuarta: | uk networkid = 9018 |
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| [14:13:00] | Juski: | STemplar: that script won't work though – the DB structure is very different now |
| [14:13:00] | galorin: | all the others are the same, so I just need the transportid column |
| [14:13:00] | Jasper: | this is f*cked up |
| [14:13:00] | Juski: | galorin: from what stuarta just said, a rescan of existing transports ... |
| [14:14:00] | galorin: | ok, I'll give that a go in a few mins |
| [14:15:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: you planning to make Knoppmyth more friendly for DVB users? |
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| [14:17:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: haha maybe |
| [14:17:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: first it is for myself :D |
| [14:17:00] | Juski: | all you can use that script for is to look at how you'd use PERL to connect to the DB & parse a couple of files |
| [14:18:00] | Juski: | I'm bored. I'll have a go |
| [14:18:00] | galorin: | still no luck with the mythmusic plugin. |
| [14:20:00] | STemplar_: | ok |
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| [14:31:00] | Jasper: | hmm hard to find any info about usb boot bios.. |
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| [14:43:00] | galorin: | ok.. unless anyone else has any ideas about this ruddy mythmusic plugin, I'm giving up on it. |
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| [14:45:00] | sphing: | galorin: i hvaent seen anything... wants wrong with it? |
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| [14:48:00] | galorin: | sphing, basically mythmusic can't play back any files. |
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| [14:50:00] | galorin: | Looks like there's some problem with DecoderMAD, DecoderFlac, etc. |
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| [14:52:00] | nuxil: | does the mythFM plugin work for svn 0.19 ? |
| [14:53:00] | galorin: | sphing, if you've got any ideas, I'd be grateful, otherwise I'm going to wipe the box and start from scratch. |
| [14:54:00] | nuxil: | sphing whats your problem? |
| [14:54:00] | Juski: | nuxil: it was supposed to work with 0.18 with patches, but I've not seen anything to do with 0.19 for it |
| [14:54:00] | Juski: | and even the 0.18 version was a bitch to get compiled by all accounts |
| [14:55:00] | nuxil: | so you mean it will not work? |
| [14:55:00] | Juski: | nuxil: unlikely to work. someone needs to re-do it _properly_ |
| [14:56:00] | stuarta: | ppl are mumbling about it at the moment |
| [14:56:00] | Juski: | the author seems to think there's a stand-off between himself & the devs holding back his plugin |
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| [14:56:00] | nuxil: | k. that suxz tho.. i really want the radio to work |
| [14:57:00] | Juski: | there's a working DVB radio patch |
| [14:57:00] | nuxil: | oh |
| [14:57:00] | nuxil: | where |
| [14:57:00] | Juski: | nuxil: you don't have DVB, so it's irrelevant, no? |
| [14:58:00] | nuxil: | i dont know? lol |
| [14:58:00] | stuarta: | dont know = no normally. |
| [14:59:00] | nuxil: | what wats dvb then |
| [14:59:00] | nuxil: | digtal somethin=? |
| [14:59:00] | Juski: | digital video broadcast |
| [14:59:00] | Juski: | for us guys in Europe |
| [14:59:00] | sphing: | nuxil: no problem here |
| [15:00:00] | nuxil: | hmm.. is that simelar to vbi? |
| [15:00:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [15:00:00] | nuxil: | :P |
| [15:00:00] | nuxil: | lol.. i feel stupif on the stuff |
| [15:01:00] | nuxil: | Jasper, well my cabel provider sends fm on the cabel net tho.. dont know if that means anything |
| [15:01:00] | nuxil: | *Juski, |
| [15:01:00] | nuxil: | sty |
| [15:02:00] | nuxil: | *sry |
| [15:02:00] | Juski: | if it needs an FM tuner to get it, you can't use it in mythtv right now |
| [15:02:00] | nuxil: | :( thats what it need.. a tuner |
| [15:03:00] | rjune: | most dont |
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| [15:03:00] | rjune: | usually they send it over the tv signal and you just change to channel X |
| [15:03:00] | Jasper: | nuxil ? |
| [15:04:00] | nuxil: | ? |
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| [15:04:00] | Jasper: | you called me?> |
| [15:04:00] | nuxil: | oh sorry.. |
| [15:04:00] | nuxil: | it was for Juski |
| [15:04:00] | Jasper: | ah k |
| [15:04:00] | Jasper: | no problem |
| [15:05:00] | sphing: | have you guys seen Spore? |
| [15:05:00] | sphing: | the new game from ea and maxum? |
| [15:05:00] | nuxil: | ? no.. link pls |
| [15:05:00] | Jasper: | hmm what is the new slot for cpu 478 or 775? |
| [15:05:00] | sphing: | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=83726 . . . &q=spore |
| [15:07:00] | nuxil: | Jasper intel? |
| [15:07:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [15:08:00] | nuxil: | intel suxz.. it need 1.5 times more steps to handle the same amount of data as amd :P |
| [15:08:00] | nuxil: | ppl get foold by the Ghz |
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| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | I don't wanna buy a 3 gigh |
| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | just for mythtv |
| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | :( |
| [15:15:00] | greg_: | buy it as a replacement for your home heating system as well |
| [15:15:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [15:15:00] | greg_: | thats what my 3gig p4 moonlights as |
| [15:16:00] | Jasper: | that's actually a good idea |
| [15:16:00] | greg_: | ahh now i'm scared ;) |
| [15:16:00] | Jasper: | make it watercooled and send the water to the shower.. |
| [15:16:00] | greg_: | hehe |
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| [15:17:00] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Daniel's testing isn't completely limited to ATSC... |
| [15:18:00] | stuarta: | :) |
| [15:18:00] | Jasper: | hmm it's too long ago I looked at bying pc's...all these difficult terms and shit |
| [15:18:00] | Dibblah: | Obviously, it's easier for him to do. |
| [15:18:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:19:00] | Dibblah: | But testbox now has DVB-s (13.0E and 28.2E) and UK DVB-t. |
| [15:20:00] | stuarta: | nice. |
| [15:20:00] | Dibblah: | Shame I can't squeeze in another LNB in the middle – 19.2 looks interesting :( |
| [15:20:00] | Dibblah: | HDTV signal wise. |
| [15:21:00] | Juski: | yeh there's the Pro-Sieben channels.. 2 channels of FTA HDTV |
| [15:21:00] | stuarta: | do you have a fixed dish with multiple LNBs offset? |
| [15:21:00] | ** Dibblah looks at dish and tries to work out how to shave 5cm off each LNB... ** | |
| [15:21:00] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [15:22:00] | Dibblah: | 28.2 on the centre-axis and 13.0 as a side-bounce. |
| [15:22:00] | stuarta: | s'pose that's better than a positioner |
| [15:22:00] | Dibblah: | With multiple cards, yes. |
| [15:23:00] | Dibblah: | Be a little confusing otherwise. |
| [15:23:00] | Jasper: | Juski what's the minimum cpu you think for hdtv? |
| [15:23:00] | stuarta: | is there much FTA stuff? |
| [15:23:00] | Juski: | there are but 2 FTA HDTV channels in Europe, is all I've been able to find out |
| [15:24:00] | Juski: | not counting the beeb's testing |
| [15:24:00] | Dibblah: | There's only 5 non-FTAs broadcasting at the moment on the sats I have access to. |
| [15:24:00] | Dibblah: | But they're DVB-S2 :( |
| [15:24:00] | stuarta: | only 5 crypted channels? |
| [15:24:00] | Juski: | what's DVB-S2 ? |
| [15:24:00] | Dibblah: | A pain in the arse. |
| [15:25:00] | stuarta: | dvb-s v2 |
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| [15:25:00] | Juski: | hm |
| [15:25:00] | stuarta: | don't worry. no linux support yet. |
| [15:25:00] | Juski: | that bad eh |
| [15:25:00] | stuarta: | they haven't worked out how to fit it into the api |
| [15:25:00] | Dibblah: | And expensive. http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . HDTV-S2.html |
| [15:26:00] | Jasper: | Juski you think a amd 2000 can run hdtv? |
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| [15:27:00] | ** Juski points Jasper to yersterday's IRC log ** | |
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| [15:28:00] | sphing: | OUTCOME UNCERTAIN |
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| [15:28:00] | Juski: | with XvMC, _possibly_ |
| [15:29:00] | Jasper: | and a 3000? |
| [15:29:00] | Jasper: | more likely I guess |
| [15:29:00] | Juski: | proper 3GHz, probably |
| [15:29:00] | Juski: | made-up Ghz, probably not |
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| [15:30:00] | Jasper: | amd 3000 it says.. |
| [15:30:00] | Jasper: | no clue what it means :P |
| [15:30:00] | Juski: | it means 'we made up the 3000' |
| [15:30:00] | Jasper: | I never worked with amd's before.. |
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| [15:30:00] | Juski: | supposed to be equivalent to a real 3Ghz CPU, but whether it is or not is open to question |
| [15:31:00] | Juski: | throw dualcore at it & you'd not need to worry :-D |
| [15:31:00] | stuarta: | i'm waiting for more hardware assistance. |
| [15:32:00] | Jasper: | dualcore? |
| [15:32:00] | stuarta: | amd speak for hyperthreading |
| [15:32:00] | Jasper: | I'm still laggin in the pIII ages.. |
| [15:33:00] | stuarta: | or are they proper dual cpu's....? |
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| [15:36:00] | Juski: | dual CPU cores on one chip apparently |
| [15:37:00] | stuarta: | mmmm. knew I wanted one for a reason... |
| [15:37:00] | sphing: | Juski: yea its dual CPU cores on a chip |
| [15:38:00] | sphing: | but they share stuff two |
| [15:38:00] | sphing: | I think they share L2 cache if i'm not mistaken |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | lol it's so funny raeding these adverts |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | people thinking they can get 400 euro for a pIII 800 mhz |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:39:00] | STemplar_: | I have a 64 bit 3200+ and it can play hdtv |
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| [15:40:00] | Jasper: | STemplar_ without xvmc? |
| [15:40:00] | Jasper: | what's cpu loda? |
| [15:40:00] | STemplar_: | yup |
| [15:40:00] | STemplar_: | 70 to 80 % |
| [15:40:00] | sphing: | 400 euro... thats INSANE |
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| [15:41:00] | STemplar_: | with xvmc it was about 65 – 70 |
| [15:41:00] | STemplar_: | but it was not stable |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | oh 80% is high |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | sphing it sure is.. |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | but still funny to see |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | while the next advert sells his 2400 for 250 |
| [15:41:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:42:00] | Jasper: | not a hard pick I guess.. |
| [15:42:00] | sphing: | awesome. |
| [15:44:00] | Juski: | 80%, with 64-bit 3200+ ? yikes! |
| [15:44:00] | Juski: | someone reckoned they could play 720p with a 1Ghz CPU & xvmc yesterday |
| [15:45:00] | sphing: | 1ghz cpu isnt very descriptive |
| [15:45:00] | dev: | lol |
| [15:45:00] | Juski: | seen reports that 2400 athlons can play 1080i with xvmc enabled. dunno what or who to believe |
| [15:45:00] | dev: | i dunno if it matters what cpu it is with a 1ghz clockrate, you're not playing hd hehe |
| [15:47:00] | Juski: | I think Via EPIA could prolly play 720p with its onboard mpeg2 decoder, if the decoder could handle it |
| [15:47:00] | sphing: | Juski: i'm still confused as to where people get the content... with the exception of firewire, how else can you record hd? |
| [15:47:00] | dev: | yeah? you think? hrm i should try it heh |
| [15:47:00] | Juski: | sphing: OTA HDTV (pcHDTV) |
| [15:47:00] | sphing: | OTA.. theres like 3 channels isnt there? |
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| [15:48:00] | Juski: | dev, I get 15% CPU usage playing SDTV on my EPIA |
| [15:48:00] | dev: | yeah sd is no problem, but i didnt think it could handle hd |
| [15:48:00] | sphing: | same here 10% if its easy content |
| [15:48:00] | sphing: | Juski: I've heard of pepole trying.. and it failing MISERABLY |
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| [15:48:00] | Juski: | Via's xvmc makes a huge difference – and if the decoder can handle the resolution/bitrate.. ahoy |
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| [15:49:00] | Juski: | sphing: I've heard of people trying to install nvidia drivers & failing miserably |
| [15:49:00] | dev: | hehe |
| [15:49:00] | Juski: | my athlon 2800 can play some HD content in winblows, so long as it's mpeg2 |
| [15:49:00] | rtsai: | amd64 3200+ for HDTV shouldn't use that much CPU. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/122572 |
| [15:50:00] | sphing: | set 1 for playing HD content in myth: get an HDTV |
| [15:50:00] | sphing: | i'm stuck there |
| [15:51:00] | Jasper: | well sphing ...since I need to a buy a new hd, and stuff...I figured...better buy a new pc which is hdtv ready.. |
| [15:51:00] | rtsai: | sphing: not really. You still get a good picture and widescreen-aspect-ratio content |
| [15:51:00] | Jasper: | even if I'm not gonna use it.. |
| [15:51:00] | rtsai: | even if it's displayed on an SDTV |
| [15:51:00] | rtsai: | and 5.1 audio |
| [15:52:00] | sphing: | rtsai: maybe for the widescreen ... and the audio (which I dont have a surround sound) |
| [15:52:00] | rtsai: | I have a semi-cheap EDTV. I transcode all my OTA HDTV down to 480p and it still looks loads better than analog |
| [15:53:00] | Jasper: | hmm this is not a bad offe I guess...MSI 800 mhz fsb, Processor P4 2,4 Intel 512 mb Cache , 512 ddr |
| [15:53:00] | Jasper: | for 150 euro |
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| [16:02:00] | scopeuk: | any onegot any tips on siteing a myth box for a long term isntalation? |
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| [16:02:00] | UBL: | how do you make a mythbox for short term install? |
| [16:02:00] | Juski: | put it in a cool place away from pets & kids |
| [16:02:00] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [16:03:00] | ** stuarta thinks juski is somewhere out in left field ** | |
| [16:03:00] | scopeuk: | Juski i was thinking in the loft/roofspace |
| [16:03:00] | scopeuk: | i can leach and arial signal and proably get a network cable up there |
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| [16:04:00] | scopeuk: | although ill have to invest in a hub to get it done |
| [16:04:00] | UBL: | thats what i hate about linux, install it once and leave it. i installed so long ago i forget most of my settings. in windows, i have to reinstall so many times; it is so easy |
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| [16:04:00] | scopeuk: | this hub i "borrowed" is far to noisey to run normaly |
| [16:04:00] | Juski: | invest in a hub... yeah like £10 for an 8 port 100mbit switch |
| [16:04:00] | scopeuk: | ye htahts the plan |
| [16:05:00] | scopeuk: | i have a 24 port intel rack mount hub job here atm |
| [16:05:00] | sphing: | scopeuk: i'm intereted I want to build one for my parents |
| [16:05:00] | scopeuk: | butits louder than my main desktop |
| [16:05:00] | scopeuk: | sphing criteria power,network,arial |
| [16:05:00] | scopeuk: | thats all it needs rearly |
| [16:05:00] | scopeuk: | although siting in sheds is not recomenedd |
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| [16:05:00] | aep: | hihi |
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| [16:06:00] | Juski: | UBL: lol |
| [16:06:00] | aep: | are there some alternative plaugins for myth? e.g. for irc |
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| [16:06:00] | dev: | haha irc from your tv? |
| [16:06:00] | scopeuk: | you could run a cgi irc server on anohter bow |
| [16:06:00] | Beirdo: | how would you use IRC with a remote? |
| [16:07:00] | aep: | dev: aould nbe nice :) |
| [16:07:00] | Beirdo: | T9 input? |
| [16:07:00] | scopeuk: | Beirdo slowley |
| [16:07:00] | Juski: | fdshjkfhdsjkf |
| [16:07:00] | Juski: | fdhj? |
| [16:07:00] | Jasper: | lol...some people are real moron's.......putting in their harddisk advert ....200 gb including 50 movies and 30 games.. |
| [16:07:00] | aep: | scopeuk: per web or what? |
| [16:07:00] | Jasper: | how badly do you wanna get caught |
| [16:07:00] | Juski: | some people even know how to use apostrophe's (sic) |
| [16:07:00] | scopeuk: | cgi:irc runs on a webserver and you open it with myth web |
| [16:07:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: well I think we will import channels.conf the normal way |
| [16:07:00] | Beirdo: | Jasper: maybe it's the cops trying to entrap someone? |
| [16:07:00] | UBL: | Jasper, people do that when they sell their ipods |
| [16:07:00] | aep: | could work. |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | scopeuk: with mythbrowser |
| [16:08:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: the rest is now all automatic :D |
| [16:08:00] | scopeuk: | Beirdo thats what im thinking |
| [16:08:00] | Juski: | STemplar_: I can do it, I know I can... I know I can |
| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | mythweb is something else :) |
| [16:08:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: haha ok |
| [16:08:00] | scopeuk: | yes but using an web based irc cleint thgrough it whould be myth running irc |
| [16:08:00] | Juski: | since I did my dboxy scripts I forgot all the PERL I did learn :-/ |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, but still, unless you are using a keyboard like some of us.. it will be unusable |
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| [16:09:00] | scopeuk: | Beirdo agreed |
| [16:09:00] | scopeuk: | i assumed scince he wanted irc inpute was sorted |
| [16:09:00] | Beirdo: | we'd hope :) |
| [16:09:00] | scopeuk: | if he wants to make his own life dificult let him |
| [16:09:00] | UBL: | make input like on a phone with tv remote |
| [16:09:00] | aep: | ok i'll explain what i'm doin: I want to setup a _real_ easy enviroment for my girlfriend. i think mythtv is the best for it becouse it has a lot of plugings _and_ tv. She wants: tv, music,web, phone(sip), irc, icq, |
| [16:09:00] | dev: | lol |
| [16:09:00] | Juski: | ROFL |
| [16:09:00] | scopeuk: | aep good look |
| [16:10:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: well we are now going further with the modelines |
| [16:10:00] | aep: | oh man :D |
| [16:10:00] | aep: | common, no ideas? |
| [16:10:00] | Juski: | hope she has good eyesight to ruin with all the tiny TV text |
| [16:10:00] | stuarta: | aep: start coding.... |
| [16:10:00] | aep: | stuarta: only can python. mythn is c :( |
| [16:10:00] | Juski: | VDR has IRC plugins & stuff |
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| [16:10:00] | aep: | Juski: but no crt output |
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| [16:10:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: I think it is strange that a normal dvd player just works on any tv |
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| [16:11:00] | Juski: | it has more plugins than mythtv has lines of code ;-) |
| [16:11:00] | aep: | Juski: vdr only has no X11 output |
| [16:11:00] | Juski: | really? |
| [16:11:00] | aep: | mythtv has. can i combine both :D |
| [16:12:00] | STemplar_: | Juski: and it is very difficult to find the right modelines for vga-->rgb or svideo-->scart |
| [16:12:00] | Juski: | or was I thinking of freevo? :-/ |
| [16:12:00] | STemplar_: | for good quality picture |
| [16:12:00] | aep: | Juski: not shure, but i think its not for X |
| [16:12:00] | aep: | Juski: freevo sux, the tv function is totaly crap |
| [16:12:00] | Juski: | STemplar: svideo > scart is easy |
| [16:12:00] | Juski: | aep: so live without IRC, ICQ |
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| [16:13:00] | aep: | damn |
| [16:13:00] | Juski: | last thing I'd want while watching telly is for someone I know to MSG me. (OI! sod off I'm watching telly) |
| [16:13:00] | aep: | ok thx, ill try to lerne C :D |
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| [16:29:00] | Kelerion: | Juski, thats neat... virtualdub works under wine :) |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | Juski: ? |
| [16:31:00] | Bostane: | hi all, does anyone runs plextor tv402u hardware encoder with s-video on mythtv? |
| [16:33:00] | Juski: | heh. was just making a point about how I don't like even my recorded TV viewing to be interrupted ;-) |
| [16:33:00] | sphing: | Juski: i ws asking about unplugphone? |
| [16:33:00] | sphing: | I'm confused |
| [16:33:00] | Juski: | a 'pie in the sky' plugin to disable the phone while using mythtv.. might be an idea |
| [16:33:00] | sphing: | haha |
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| [16:34:00] | sphing: | sends your asterisk server straight to voice mail |
| [16:34:00] | Juski: | would sit next to 'mythlockthedoor' |
| [16:34:00] | sphing: | mythx10 wouldnt be a bad idea |
| [16:34:00] | sphing: | (if I had x10s that is) |
| [16:34:00] | Juski: | actually no, I've seen 'demon seed' |
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| [16:36:00] | scopeuk: | Juski not that hard |
| [16:36:00] | scopeuk: | have it signal the parralel port to takee a pin high use said pin to operate a pin on the phone line to disconect the ringer circuit |
| [16:37:00] | scopeuk: | pin what am i talking about solid saterelay |
| [16:37:00] | Juski: | or just a regular ole relay |
| [16:38:00] | scopeuk: | yeh |
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| [16:38:00] | scopeuk: | hmm thats an idea i ahverelays around here |
| [16:38:00] | scopeuk: | ho well my house phone has a silent mode any way |
| [16:38:00] | scopeuk: | not rearly needed |
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| [16:48:00] | Juski: | well, time to go. had enough |
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| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | hm |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | time to start working on my os .. |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [17:04:00] | sphing: | is there a breakdown of what the icons mean in recording list |
| [17:05:00] | Kelerion: | press F1 |
| [17:08:00] | sphing: | amazing has that always been there |
| [17:08:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [17:08:00] | sphing: | <-- dummy |
| [17:08:00] | Kelerion: | I asked the same question over a year ago. .it's not really obvious |
| [17:09:00] | scopeuk: | cept almost every gui app ive ever used has help on F1 |
| [17:09:00] | scopeuk: | dident even think to look |
| [17:09:00] | Kelerion: | me either.. and I don't think there are many screens in myth that use it either |
| [17:09:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm |
| [17:10:00] | Jasper^off: | Kelerion writing os is difficult :p can't even get bootloader on usb |
| [17:10:00] | Jasper^off: | :P |
| [17:10:00] | sphing: | LOL yes its difficult |
| [17:10:00] | Jasper^off: | :P |
| [17:11:00] | Kelerion: | why do you think every joe-blog hasn't written his own OS? *chuckles* |
| [17:11:00] | Jasper^off: | :p |
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| [17:11:00] | Kelerion: | but.. if it was easy... it wouldn't be satisfying :) |
| [17:12:00] | Jasper^off: | that's right |
| [17:12:00] | Jasper^off: | gonna make a os on a usb stick |
| [17:12:00] | Jasper^off: | :P |
| [17:13:00] | ** Kelerion is gonna try out qemu.. never tried it before ** | |
| [17:13:00] | sphing: | Jasper^off: alot of problems are going to arise there |
| [17:13:00] | sphing: | so watch out |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | so far so good.. windows is installing |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | have always used vmware.. so this should be interesting |
| [17:14:00] | Jasper^off: | why's that sphing ? |
| [17:15:00] | sphing: | well presumably its not just going to be the kernel, its going to be the FS on there too correct? |
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| [17:15:00] | scopeuk: | Kelerion qemu is great but you want kqemu too or it crawls a little |
| [17:16:00] | scopeuk: | i run knoppmyth in it as front end on my windows box kwqemu helps alot |
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| [17:17:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm sphing |
| [17:18:00] | Jasper^off: | I was thinking of making a usb stick 2 paritions |
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| [17:18:00] | Jasper^off: | one for the system and one for the register or something |
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| [17:19:00] | sphing: | the reason I ask is youre dealing with a medium thats R/W and can be easily and quickly removed... so you need to take measures to prevent a removal during certain FS operations |
| [17:19:00] | sphing: | but I guess its no different thatn a power off |
| [17:20:00] | Jasper^off: | ah I see phing |
| [17:20:00] | Jasper^off: | but I was just thinking how easy it would be if stores sold distro's on usb key...fully installed |
| [17:21:00] | sphing: | yea it would be nice... but theres some limitations on them, something like 100,000 writes? |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper^off: | huh? |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper^off: | seriously? |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper^off: | never knew that |
| [17:21:00] | sphing: | on usb sticks... yea i've heard that... never personally seen it so it could be a myth but its definately resonable |
| [17:22:00] | sphing: | so your OS should minimize writes to avoid that from happening |
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| [17:23:00] | AranC23: | soo.... has anyone tried to cancel a lossless mpeg2 transcode recently? |
| [17:23:00] | AranC23: | like in 0.19 that is |
| [17:23:00] | Jasper^off: | well sphing...I wanted to store all the files on the harddisk..just the usb stick for the os... |
| [17:23:00] | sphing: | ahh... I see what you're saying... |
| [17:23:00] | Jasper^off: | and make a register on the second partition of the usb stick |
| [17:23:00] | Jasper^off: | so you never have to format the windows partition/reinstall |
| [17:24:00] | sphing: | still minimize writes to the stick |
| [17:24:00] | Jasper^off: | just plugin the usb stick and be operating on your own system.. |
| [17:24:00] | Jasper^off: | and take the usb stick with you too your work...and you are still on your own system |
| [17:24:00] | Jasper^off: | so it has to be working with all hardware |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have a couple linux stations that do that |
| [17:24:00] | scopeuk: | hack off the sys admins big time |
| [17:24:00] | scopeuk: | they dont like knoppix either |
| [17:24:00] | sphing: | Jasper^off: but if the apps are installed on the hd, not much will work |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper^off: | that's something I have to think about sphing :P |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper^off: | since you don't want your games.. |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper^off: | but you might want your other files |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper^off: | like documents |
| [17:26:00] | sphing: | so you might need to build a file onto the HD that tells where everything is isntalled |
| [17:26:00] | sphing: | (but that opens a pandoras box of security) |
| [17:26:00] | Kelerion: | and sounds suspiciously like a windows registry |
| [17:26:00] | sphing: | lol... yea it does |
| [17:27:00] | sphing: | just dont mess it up like they did |
| [17:27:00] | ** Kelerion grins ** | |
| [17:27:00] | AranC23: | If I want to keep all my currently scheduled jobs from running temporarily, can I just update the jobqueue table and set them all to PAUSED, or I do I need to set the cmds field to PAUSE and let the schedule do something? anyone know off hand? |
| [17:27:00] | Jasper^off: | sphing...the registery would be on the second partition of the usb stick |
| [17:28:00] | sphing: | Jasper^off: but that would require all the programs to be installed in the same place across all the machines |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm ...you're right |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper^off: | so the only solution is putting a registery on the harddisk |
| [17:28:00] | sphing: | Jasper^off: but dont make it a regular file |
| [17:28:00] | scopeuk: | couldyou not have it plug the windows registery asuming the host box will be windows |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper^off: | no windows.. |
| [17:29:00] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [17:29:00] | Jasper^off: | it's all just a wild idea |
| [17:29:00] | Jasper^off: | but I thought it would be fun to try |
| [17:29:00] | sphing: | Jasper^off: if you make it a non-regular file, then it forces the programs to do a syscall to register a program and adds a little more security |
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| [17:29:00] | sphing: | but more work for the kernel.... the beauty of OS coding |
| [17:30:00] | Jasper^off: | yeah...but the main goal is a system on usb key...which you can plugin to a computer..and everything works instantly |
| [17:30:00] | Jasper^off: | :P |
| [17:30:00] | Jasper^off: | so it will need a lot of drivers |
| [17:30:00] | sphing: | well of course |
| [17:30:00] | scopeuk: | i belive there is a version of knoppix for usb pen |
| [17:30:00] | scopeuk: | may you could plug it for ideas |
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| [17:30:00] | scopeuk: | good bad ugly and indiferent |
| [17:31:00] | aep: | scopeuk: damn smal linux? |
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| [17:35:00] | sphing: | is there an easy command to combine two avi's |
| [17:35:00] | scopeuk: | aepno linux |
| [17:35:00] | scopeuk: | lol oops |
| [17:35:00] | scopeuk: | aep no knoppix based |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: avimerge comes with transcode and seems to work ok |
| [17:36:00] | coffee88: | Is anyone else running mythweb on a different box to the backend? I jsut get time out errors when trying to access the be status page... |
| [17:37:00] | Jasper^off: | hej coffee88 ! |
| [17:37:00] | Jasper^off: | my hd crashed last night.....I've lost everything |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | coffee88: I do |
| [17:37:00] | coffee88: | GreyFoxx: can you access that page? |
| [17:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [17:38:00] | coffee88: | Jasper^off: Yeah I read the logs.... Tough! |
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| [17:38:00] | coffee88: | Hmmmm. Didn't work for me in 18 either... |
| [17:39:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: even if its xvid |
| [17:39:00] | coffee88: | Jasper^off: You must have driven it to death with all that recompiling for xvmc.... |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: Why would that matter ? |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | But yes, it works fine for xvids |
| [17:39:00] | sphing: | i guess it wouldnt... |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | at least on the ones I've used it on |
| [17:40:00] | aep: | scopeuk: the whole knopix on an usb stick, nice :) |
| [17:42:00] | scopeuk: | yes it is |
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| [17:44:00] | Jasper^off: | coffee88 seriously...how can it fail when I'm finished with everything after 3 weeks |
| [17:44:00] | Jasper^off: | that's just backstabbing |
| [17:44:00] | Kelerion: | I merged two avi's yesterday... couldn't get avicat or avidemux2 to work properly ... audio was outta sync.. so converted them both with mencoder -lavc and then used avidemux2 and it worked perfectly |
| [17:46:00] | coffee88: | Jasper^off: heh heh. Now you've got something to do again! |
| [17:46:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm I wish |
| [17:46:00] | Jasper^off: | I gave up |
| [17:47:00] | coffee88: | Whaaaa? |
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| [17:48:00] | sphing: | is there a way to get mplayer to not build such a huge cache? |
| [17:49:00] | Kelerion: | mplayer -cache XXk? |
| [17:50:00] | scottder: | I am looking at some recordings in Mythweb, just wonder why some have .mpg suffix and others .nuv? |
| [17:50:00] | kormoc: | scottder, the .nuv ones are eather from pre 0.19 or from a software encoder (bttv) card |
| [17:52:00] | scottder: | I have two from today like that....odd... |
| [17:54:00] | scottder: | maybe because the recordings were scheduled pre-0.19...no worries... |
| [17:54:00] | scottder: | they play fine, that's what matters....was just curious |
| [17:55:00] | kormoc: | nah, it only would matter what version of the backend created the file, not when they were scheduled |
| [17:55:00] | scottder: | hmmm then it remains odd then :) |
| [17:55:00] | scottder: | but my son really doesn't care what format his Dora or Diego is in :) |
| [17:57:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: how fast is the box you stream from |
| [17:57:00] | coffee88: | That reminds me. The change in recording file names messes up the scipt I'd to put plain text liks to the files... |
| [17:58:00] | coffee88: | Must fix that one day... |
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| [17:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | sphing: my backends ? |
| [17:59:00] | Jasper^off: | yo kormoc |
| [17:59:00] | sphing: | ah, my backend isnt fast enough to transcode realtime, just curious if you offloaded it |
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| [18:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't transcode |
| [18:01:00] | kormoc: | mornin Jasper^off |
| [18:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | the rare times I di, I doit under windows. |
| [18:02:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: ah, i want to stream over the internet, so transcoding is obviously a must |
| [18:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [18:02:00] | kormoc: | sphery, you could shell out enough cash to get a fat enough pipe! |
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| [18:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use vlc for that |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | from my master backend |
| [18:03:00] | sphing: | GreyFoxx: yea me too... |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | xp2500+ |
| [18:03:00] | bird603568: | reduce the res alot |
| [18:03:00] | sphing: | p3500 |
| [18:03:00] | sphing: | *p3500 |
| [18:03:00] | sphing: | lets try that again... p3–500 |
| [18:03:00] | kormoc: | hehe, I had a dual proc system with them in it :) |
| [18:04:00] | sphing: | bird603568: my machine just isnt fast enough to keep up with it reatime |
| [18:05:00] | kormoc: | this is sad. |
| [18:05:00] | bird603568: | what is? |
| [18:05:00] | kormoc: | my slowest box in the apartment is now 2.13 ghz |
| [18:06:00] | sphing: | my fastest is my laptop pentium-m 1.7 |
| [18:06:00] | bird603568: | thats what i have in my laptop |
| [18:06:00] | bird603568: | i have a 2.13 pentium-m with 2 gigs of ram |
| [18:06:00] | bird603568: | and a 933mhz with 256mb of ram |
| [18:06:00] | kormoc: | just a year ago, my slowest was a dual ppro 200 mhz box, and I've gone though a few upgrades |
| [18:07:00] | bird603568: | i had a 166 but the mobo fried |
| [18:08:00] | Jasper^off: | kormoc you know how to get the bootsector on a usb stick? |
| [18:08:00] | kormoc: | Jasper^off, I would just run grub on it as if it was a hard drive |
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| [18:21:00] | Kelerion: | kormoc, neat quote on your site.. |
| [18:22:00] | Kelerion: | Windows 95: |
| [18:22:00] | Kelerion: | n./ 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition |
| [18:25:00] | kormoc: | hehe, yeah, amusing :) |
| [18:25:00] | meushi: | old but still true |
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| [18:31:00] | dev: | nice, police chase in california. woman stole a police suv |
| [18:31:00] | xris: | lol |
| [18:31:00] | dev: | on cnn headline hehe |
| [18:31:00] | xris: | that was dumb |
| [18:31:00] | dev: | yeah |
| [18:31:00] | scopeuk: | police suv == large battering ram |
| [18:32:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it's much safer then using a big log |
| [18:32:00] | scopeuk: | chase wont last long though it will soon run out of fuel |
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| [18:32:00] | dev: | there's no sign of cops though. i bet they're just tracking it on gps waiting for her to ditch heh |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | dev, it was their only car |
| [18:33:00] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [18:33:00] | dev: | hehe |
| [18:33:00] | kormoc: | if you look down the street a few miles, you'll see the cops on bikes, racing to catch up |
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| [18:36:00] | scopeuk: | itsj ust un fair all the good stuff is so chee in america 1 gb sd card for £25 its jsut not right |
| [18:36:00] | dev: | shes gonna wreck soon |
| [18:36:00] | dev: | driving wrong way on the road and stuff heh |
| [18:36:00] | scopeuk: | heh |
| [18:36:00] | scopeuk: | it will happen |
| [18:36:00] | dev: | cant wait.. pause, rewrind, slowmo, several times hehe |
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| [18:37:00] | dev: | 'she appears to be unstable' — no shit |
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| [18:56:00] | xris: | scopeuk: but we have to deal with living here... hardly fair trade |
| [18:59:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm kormoc did you put the link here yesterday about how to write your own os.. ? |
| [18:59:00] | scopeuk: | you not think? |
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| [18:59:00] | Kelerion: | need the link? |
| [19:00:00] | Jasper^off: | no i got the link |
| [19:00:00] | Kelerion: | ahh ok |
| [19:00:00] | Jasper^off: | just wondering how to get that working on usb |
| [19:00:00] | ** rsquared wishes there was a HDCP compliant firewire card ** | |
| [19:00:00] | rsquared: | sigh |
| [19:00:00] | Jasper^off: | instead of floppy disk |
| [19:00:00] | kormoc: | Jasper^off, same way |
| [19:00:00] | jvs: | anybody has a clue why mythbackend is "ignoring" transcode jobs? |
| [19:00:00] | Jasper^off: | kormoc it doesn't work |
| [19:00:00] | scopeuk: | you told it not to run user 1 – 4 jopbs? |
| [19:00:00] | Jasper^off: | since copyboot is only made for floppy disc |
| [19:01:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm I might be able to change the driveletter though |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | using linux? |
| [19:01:00] | Jasper^off: | nah windows |
| [19:02:00] | jvs: | here is log snippet: http://paste.uni.cc/8693 |
| [19:02:00] | jvs: | scopeuk, huh? |
| [19:02:00] | scopeuk: | you can tell it not to run jobs in setup |
| [19:02:00] | jvs: | scopeuk, I'll check, thx |
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| [19:03:00] | Kelerion: | about 1 1/2 hours to install xp in qemu... I think I'm missing something |
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| [19:04:00] | scopeuk: | you runnign kqemu? |
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| [19:04:00] | Kelerion: | I looked that up but it says it's just a kde graphical frontend |
| [19:04:00] | scopeuk: | hmm not on windows |
| [19:04:00] | Kelerion: | am running it under linux |
| [19:04:00] | scopeuk: | there is a kernal modual to accelerate it burried in there |
| [19:05:00] | scopeuk: | yeh its avaliable for linux as well afaik |
| [19:05:00] | Kelerion: | http://kqemu.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| [19:06:00] | scopeuk: | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-accel.html |
| [19:06:00] | scopeuk: | maby have a look atthat |
| [19:06:00] | Jasper^off: | hmm kormoc it appears the program can't write to a memdisk |
| [19:06:00] | scopeuk: | Kelerion nope |
| [19:06:00] | Kelerion: | ahhh |
| [19:06:00] | Kelerion: | that looks more promising |
| [19:07:00] | scopeuk: | that acelerator is also known as kqemu in some situatiosn go figure |
| [19:07:00] | jvs: | scopeuk, I have not defined extra jobs |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | Jasper^off, you could write to a floppy and mirror it to the usb stick |
| [19:07:00] | scopeuk: | hmm i cant rearly help you much im stil la beginer very much |
| [19:08:00] | jvs: | scopeuk, these are just usual transcoding jobs |
| [19:08:00] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [19:08:00] | kormoc: | Jasper^off, I used vmware myself, as it's much nicer to use a virtual machine |
| [19:08:00] | scopeuk: | tbh i think mine probably do the smae ive not looked into it |
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| [19:10:00] | Jasper^off: | yeah kormoc that's what I though |
| [19:10:00] | Jasper^off: | but I don't have a floppy station |
| [19:10:00] | Jasper^off: | :( |
| [19:13:00] | Jasper^off: | time to insert a floppy disk then |
| [19:13:00] | Jasper^off: | :P |
| [19:18:00] | dev: | bah that was a crappy ending |
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| [19:22:00] | Juski: | evening |
| [19:22:00] | Jasper: | evening |
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| [19:23:00] | Jasper: | since when does windows need drivers for a fucking floppy drive? |
| [19:23:00] | Jasper: | omg.. |
| [19:24:00] | Jasper: | that's amusing |
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| [19:29:00] | Stonki: | hello,. I just install mythtv for the very first time under gentoo. Just a very dumb question: For a scheduled recording, do I only need the backend running or any other tool as well ? |
| [19:29:00] | rsquared: | Stonki: you need to somehow schedule the recording |
| [19:29:00] | rsquared: | so... having the frontend installed might be useful |
| [19:30:00] | Stonki: | well I did it in the frontend |
| [19:30:00] | Stonki: | so I scheduled it. For me is now the question if I need the frontend running to start the recording |
| [19:30:00] | Stonki: | or does the backend does this job ? |
| [19:30:00] | rsquared: | nope.. just the backend |
| [19:30:00] | Stonki: | ok. thanks |
| [19:30:00] | rsquared: | np |
| [19:31:00] | Stonki: | I am quite impressed so far. I just bought me yesterday a DVB-T card for the first time ever |
| [19:31:00] | rsquared: | yeah.. it's pretty cool |
| [19:31:00] | Jasper: | yo rsquared |
| [19:31:00] | rsquared: | i just wish some of my HD channels didn't have 5C |
| [19:31:00] | rsquared: | hey Jasper |
| [19:32:00] | rsquared: | I also wish my router at home wasn't freaking out |
| [19:34:00] | Kelerion: | ok – kqemu installed.. damn that was a pain... seems to have helped it along though.. |
| [19:35:00] | dtm: | Kelerion: what are you doing with qemu |
| [19:36:00] | Kelerion: | never used it before.. so thought I'd give it a shot at installing XP in it |
| [19:36:00] | dtm: | oic |
| [19:37:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [19:38:00] | Kelerion: | well.. it's working at least.. |
| [19:38:00] | Jasper: | gonna mess around also Kelerion ? |
| [19:38:00] | Kelerion: | nah.. not what your doing anyways |
| [19:39:00] | Kelerion: | I was just curious how it compared in speed to vmware |
| [19:41:00] | Jasper: | hmm, let's see how it boots now :P |
| [19:42:00] | Jasper: | hmm it doesn't |
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| [19:43:00] | Jasper: | I guess the manual doesn't work |
| [19:43:00] | Jasper: | :( |
| [19:43:00] | ** kormoc wants Xen to get direct video rendering to work in guest os's who are not xen aware... ** | |
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| [19:44:00] | stevenm: | After upgrading to 0.19, is there a special option that must be modified to enable commercial detection that wasn't there in 0.18 ? |
| [19:45:00] | Jasper: | kormoc did you ever get that too work? |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, did I get which part to work? |
| [19:47:00] | Jasper: | the build your own os link |
| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | ahh, sorta, I used it and a bunch of other docs to boot up a box, aye |
| [19:48:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
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| [19:49:00] | Cardoe: | hey kormoc |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | hihi |
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| [20:00:00] | stevenm: | Aaaaaalright. Again, watching live TV, press Pause, and the timer is STUCK at 0:01 / 0:01 |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | HAHAHA |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | it works |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | from disk that is.. |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | now make it usb bootable :P |
| [20:02:00] | bmk789: | hey people |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | hello bmk789 |
| [20:02:00] | Jasper: | how are things going? |
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| [20:03:00] | bmk789: | goodddddddd, hows things here? |
| [20:03:00] | Jasper: | allright I guess |
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| [20:03:00] | bmk789: | keys stick or somethin :( |
| [20:07:00] | bmk789: | if i were to go about making my own debian-based distro, would i just install debian and tweak it to perfection, then make an installer somehow? |
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| [20:07:00] | rsquared: | you could use dar, then just write the bootloader after |
| [20:08:00] | rsquared: | http://dar.sourceforge.net/ |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | is that like duh? |
| [20:09:00] | rsquared: | lol.. no |
| [20:09:00] | ** Juski has been photoshopping again ** | |
| [20:09:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [20:09:00] | Jasper: | or this usb is really sloowww |
| [20:09:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [20:09:00] | Jasper: | or something is not working correctly :P |
| [20:10:00] | rsquared: | usb 1.0? |
| [20:10:00] | Juski: | usb IS really slow |
| [20:10:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [20:10:00] | Jasper: | 2.0 |
| [20:10:00] | Jasper: | 2.0 aint that slow right? |
| [20:10:00] | rsquared: | meh |
| [20:10:00] | Juski: | yes it is, IMHO |
| [20:10:00] | rsquared: | it's got alot of overhead |
| [20:10:00] | Jasper: | it can't be slower then a floppy disk |
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| [20:10:00] | Juski: | put a slow device on a slow bus, and it becomes erm.. slow |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | imagine that |
| [20:11:00] | rsquared: | shocking |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | jeez, up to 119 shows again |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | 30 are Muppets, 10 are Friends |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | figures |
| [20:14:00] | Jasper: | hmm Juski I thought usb had a high datarate...the 2.0 |
| [20:14:00] | Jasper: | are you talking accesstimes |
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| [20:29:00] | Juski: | USB2 has a theoretical high data rate, but in reality it turns out to be pretty useless in my experience. I have an external HDD with firewire & USB2.0 – guess which is faster (clue... it's not USB) |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | Beirdo – Friends has muppets in it, so does it still count? ;-) |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | Joey = Animal? |
| [20:30:00] | Juski: | I didn't think they made that many muppet shows anyway |
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| [20:31:00] | rjune: | sure, the muppet show used to be a tv show |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | um, it was on weekly for almost 10 years |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | or so |
| [20:31:00] | rjune: | then they went and made a bunch of muppet movies |
| [20:31:00] | hydroksyde: | anybody know how to disable switching of virtual consoles? |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | we have a local station that's playing the episodes 7 days a week :) |
| [20:31:00] | Juski: | really? wow. the LWT ones didn't go on for that long AFAIK |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | 70s through 80s it was on weekly |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | not sure exact years |
| [20:32:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 how's your os going? |
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| [20:33:00] | Juski: | hmmm I'll check tv.com |
| [20:34:00] | bmk789: | im install xen so i can install debian in a virtual machine to start configuriing |
| [20:35:00] | Juski: | in the meantime.. which looks best? this: www.juski.co.uk/images/blizard.png or this.. www.juski.co.uk/images/blush.png |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | put one with bush and the dinosaur :) |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | or if you wanna get REAL nasty and politcal... Bush and Hitler |
| [20:36:00] | ** Beirdo ducks ** | |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | lol |
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| [20:36:00] | Juski: | that might land me in prison |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [20:37:00] | Chicago: | I'm having trouble with my mythbackend init script... for some reason if I type mythbackend... the backend starts correctly... but if I do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start it does not start right.... the contents of the mysql.txt are the same in ~/.mythtv/ as in /etc/mythtv What should I do? |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | OK use Mussolini (sp?) |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | not as recognizable |
| [20:37:00] | dtm: | Chicago: read the log |
| [20:37:00] | dtm: | Chicago: also be certain of exactly what command that script is starting |
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| [20:39:00] | Chicago: | dtm: think it has a typo in there somewhere...? these are the last of the log. /mnt/store//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied |
| [20:40:00] | rsquared: | dtm: check the permissions on /mnt/store/ |
| [20:46:00] | Chicago: | Where in the init does it show which user and group mythbackend runs as? |
| [20:47:00] | Jasper: | ok bmk789 nice |
| [20:49:00] | dtm: | Chicago: if it doesn't show it, then it's root by default, i think. |
| [20:49:00] | dtm: | Chicago: because root is executing the script |
| [20:49:00] | Chicago: | my mythbackend.log is owned by mythtv:root |
| [20:50:00] | dtm: | Chicago: see if your /mnt/store is writable by mythtv.root |
| [20:50:00] | Chicago: | dtm: I did chown -R mythtv:root /mnt/store that fixed it... |
| [20:50:00] | dtm: | k |
| [20:50:00] | Chicago: | dtm: I remember I changed those permissions so that mythweb would work and I could download video... |
| [20:50:00] | Chicago: | dtm: I guess I'll have to look at that again. |
| [20:51:00] | dtm: | k |
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| [20:52:00] | Chicago: | dtm: but maybe I need other permissions, becase when I just ran mythbackend as root and then had my normal user watch tv.. .the normal user can watch tv no problem...... now, after setting /mnt/store to owned by mythtv:root my normal user doesn't get sound and was only able to watch tv for about 10 seconds before myth stopped showing video. |
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| [21:00:00] | adante: | has anybody had problems with myttv forgetting to stop recording? |
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| [21:01:00] | adante: | i've checked the encoder status on mythweb, it says none of my encoders are recording |
| [21:01:00] | adante: | yet i've got a 35gb mpg file in my video dir that is continuing to grow |
| [21:01:00] | Jasper: | bmk789 did you ever code assembly before? |
| [21:02:00] | bmk789: | no |
| [21:03:00] | Jasper: | lol |
| [21:03:00] | Jasper: | you're gonna be in for a rough time then |
| [21:07:00] | xris: | Stonki: backend needs to be running for anything. |
| [21:07:00] | xris: | oops.. replying to message 8 pages back in scroll buffer. |
| [21:07:00] | xris: | stupid gaim. |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [21:18:00] | Jasper: | hmm intersting |
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| [21:33:00] | ole_schoola: | assembled in 1980 on an apple ii |
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| [21:39:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: in .../mythweb/tv/list, mouseover on Program pops up that really useful box (especial Notes) |
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| [21:40:00] | xris: | ? |
| [21:40:00] | ole_schoola: | i miss that feature in tv/detail/<chanid>/.... |
| [21:40:00] | ole_schoola: | or the results of searches, too |
| [21:40:00] | Jasper: | hmm it's tougher then I thought to write a bootsector :P |
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| [21:41:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: if you go to TV -> Listings and mouseover the program name, a handy detail box pops up |
| [21:42:00] | ole_schoola: | no pop ups on mouseover in those other pages |
| [21:42:00] | xris: | should have them on the channel page (detail is program, not chanid) |
| [21:42:00] | xris: | upcoming has them, too |
| [21:44:00] | ole_schoola: | upcoming – yep, but still none in the channel page — .19-fixes from three days ago |
| [21:44:00] | ole_schoola: | drat |
| [21:45:00] | ole_schoola: | didn't cp the newest mythweb files — brb |
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| [21:51:00] | xris: | could be a bug on the channel page. put in a ticket about it. |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | I never use that page, so it might have gotten overooked |
| [21:51:00] | xris: | overlooked |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | maybe overcooked too |
| [21:52:00] | xris: | heh |
| [21:52:00] | xris: | no, I fixed my heatsink issues. :) |
| [21:52:00] | Beirdo: | good :) |
| [21:54:00] | ole_schoola: | nah, Channel Detail still doesn't with 3 day old fixes |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | me slaps his mythweb... pay attention! |
| [21:54:00] | ole_schoola: | cooked, heh. gotta motherboard-go-round over here tonight |
| [21:54:00] | Beirdo: | clicked on delete... no deletion |
| [21:55:00] | Beirdo: | gonna beat my webserver soon |
| [21:55:00] | ole_schoola: | i can quick swap the MBE but the autocad machine is xp pro going 32 to 64 |
| [21:56:00] | ** ole_schoola grumbles at the prospect of a windows install ** | |
| [21:56:00] | Beirdo: | and it takes like 30s to reload a page with only 5 recordings on it |
| [21:57:00] | Beirdo: | I don't get it |
| [21:57:00] | sphing: | hey xris, are tickets submitted to the regular myth for mythweb |
| [21:58:00] | xris: | sphing: yeah, there's a mythweb option right there. |
| [21:58:00] | ole_schoola: | sphing: if it's in the tree, then tickets go there |
| [21:58:00] | xris: | nuvexport is separate for now, but will eventually get merged back into the main myth tree, too |
| [21:58:00] | sphing: | xris: ah... mind if I poke around and see if I can fix some? |
| [21:58:00] | sphing: | not this very second.. but in the future |
| [21:59:00] | xris: | sphing: sure... Ithink most mythweb ones are just waiting for me to think about whether or not I WANT to fix them. heh |
| [21:59:00] | sphing: | ha... alright |
| [21:59:00] | xris: | if you want to help out, the thing i need most right now is to take the default theme and strip out all javascript and extra details to make a new "compact" theme |
| [21:59:00] | sphing: | xris: I'm really good at javascript and php |
| [22:00:00] | sphing: | but not creative at all |
| [22:00:00] | xris: | heh |
| [22:00:00] | sphing: | is there an ajax theme? |
| [22:00:00] | xris: | the default one will eventually be ajax |
| [22:00:00] | xris: | that's why I want to create a new compact theme |
| [22:01:00] | xris: | I can't do cool javascript stuff until there's a good usable theme for people who opt NOT to use it. currently, all javascript stuff is enhancing but not required. would like to add a bunch of ajax stuff to do things like speed up the listings page.. |
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| [22:05:00] | xris: | I also need to get kormoc to help me install the updated ajax library that he wrote for us at work. |
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| [22:05:00] | sphing: | i wrote a decent one a while ago... |
| [22:06:00] | sphing: | for the simple reason that I need queueing... but thats lost |
| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | the recorded programs page is a total dog for me lately |
| [22:06:00] | Beirdo: | dunno why |
| [22:06:00] | sphing: | mythweb doesnt work for me |
| [22:06:00] | xris: | we have a good one we use here, and it's LGPL (which is why I LGPL'd the js stuff in mythweb, so I could work on it at work)... |
| [22:07:00] | xris: | Beirdo: other people seem to be having issues, too.. seems to happen when you have a ton of recorded programs. I think the "modified" timestamp code in the backend needs some tweaking (isaac has mentioned it) |
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| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | thahhh |
| [22:07:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh even |
| [22:07:00] | kormoc: | sphery, the one we have here supports queueing and all that jazz |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | well, I have about 120 programs |
| [22:08:00] | sphing: | I'm sure yours is better... |
| [22:08:00] | sphing: | ah |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | down to 110 now :) |
| [22:08:00] | xris: | apparently it marks things as modified whenever they're touched, instead of only when the cutlist is edited, or it's transcoded, etc. |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [22:08:00] | Beirdo: | so it regenerates all the previews every time? |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | yup |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | I think there's a ticket in about it. |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | OK, that would explain it being slow :) |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | 25 Good Eats? |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | I should archive them |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | heh |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | I have almost all of them now. |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | that's 1/4 of my recordings right there |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | missing only one episode |
| [22:10:00] | kormoc: | sphery, welp, you can grab it and use it yourself too :) |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | kormoc: does www have the latest? thought you hadn't checked that into stable yet. |
| [22:11:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | 7 Battlestar Galactica |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | should watch those sometime |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | and 5 episodes of Friends a day :) |
| [22:11:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:11:00] | xris: | only a couple of minor diffs from stable. |
| [22:11:00] | sphing: | damn sphery is making everyone mistype my name |
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| [22:12:00] | Beirdo: | if I get the time, I'll try the MPEG2 cutting in myth real soon |
| [22:12:00] | Beirdo: | got a couple soundstage to burn to DVD |
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| [22:13:00] | xris: | Beirdo: it's worked perfectly for me |
| [22:13:00] | kormoc: | xris, trunk has blocking synchronous support and some fixups, but not /too/ far out of sync. |
| [22:13:00] | xris: | saved a TON of space during the olympics. |
| [22:13:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's just a matter of taking the time to set it up, etc |
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| [22:14:00] | aquatic0384: | got a few setup questions if anyone is willing to help |
| [22:14:00] | aquatic0384: | trouble with the backend |
| [22:14:00] | Beirdo: | any time I think of it, I'm at work or otherwise indisposed |
| [22:14:00] | kormoc: | aquatic0384, ask specific questions |
| [22:14:00] | aquatic0384: | i am a newb so |
| [22:14:00] | aquatic0384: | ok well |
| [22:15:00] | aquatic0384: | i am following a tutorial, and i have done all that they say however once i try to add mythbackend to start upon login, it will not let me |
| [22:15:00] | aquatic0384: | frontend works |
| [22:15:00] | aquatic0384: | tutorial is http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/29/ |
| [22:15:00] | aquatic0384: | i am at the end |
| [22:16:00] | aquatic0384: | i am running ubuntu |
| [22:16:00] | aquatic0384: | and i was in the mythtv user account, and |
| [22:16:00] | aquatic0384: | tried this |
| [22:16:00] | aquatic0384: | $ echo "su – mythtv -c \"mythbackend -d\"" | sudo tee /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [22:16:00] | aquatic0384: | but it wouldnt give me permission |
| [22:17:00] | aquatic0384: | and i logged out and now everytime i login, it loads mythtv, but i cannot get to the desktop to try and play with that command |
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| [22:18:00] | aquatic0384: | advice? |
| [22:18:00] | xris: | aquatic0384: don't the ub packages come with their own init script? |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | i am not really sure |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | i have just been going through the tutorial |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | again i am very new with linux |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | but a guy next door is |
| [22:19:00] | Puke2: | Hi |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | and he has tried to help |
| [22:19:00] | aquatic0384: | but hasnt setup his mythtv yet |
| [22:20:00] | aquatic0384: | so he doesnt know |
| [22:21:00] | xris: | aquatic0384: did you use packages? |
| [22:21:00] | Puke2: | What might be a reason that channel names are appearing as "Channel 10" etc. instead of their actual names? |
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| [22:21:00] | xris: | Puke2: where do you get your listings from? |
| [22:22:00] | Puke2: | I am using zap2it |
| [22:22:00] | xris: | and I think there's a setting somewhere in the frontend for that... "use name instead of number" or something like that. |
| [22:22:00] | aquatic0384: | umm yeah i think so, the tutorial said that myth comes with packages, but he couldnt get the backend to work so he just did that other comand |
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| [22:23:00] | xris: | package == archive containing all of the files for mythtv... one of those files should be the init.d/mythbackend file |
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| [22:24:00] | aquatic0384: | i think so i just used apt-get to get all the files |
| [22:25:00] | xris: | hmm, it's still .18.1. lame |
| [22:25:00] | xris: | let me install it here and see what it says |
| [22:25:00] | aquatic0384: | ok |
| [22:26:00] | Puke2: | Xris: the actual names are the numbers (weird) |
| [22:27:00] | xris: | aquatic0384: when I apt-get install mythtv, it walks me through the setup for the init.d stuff. did it do that for you? |
| [22:27:00] | xris: | Puke2: strange |
| [22:27:00] | aquatic0384: | yeah |
| [22:27:00] | aquatic0384: | i went through that stuff |
| [22:27:00] | aquatic0384: | should i re-install it? |
| [22:27:00] | xris: | then that "tee" command you ran wiped out the correct startup script |
| [22:28:00] | xris: | I would apt-get remove mythtv, and rm /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
| [22:28:00] | Puke2: | Anyone have any ideas for the above issue? |
| [22:29:00] | xris: | and then look around for somewhere that has packages for mythtv .19, since it's much nicer than .18 |
| [22:29:00] | aquatic0384: | ok |
| [22:29:00] | aquatic0384: | then |
| [22:30:00] | aquatic0384: | i will do that however |
| [22:30:00] | aquatic0384: | once mythtv is running, just the frontend |
| [22:30:00] | aquatic0384: | i cannot quit it without logging off |
| [22:32:00] | aquatic0384: | esc logs me off |
| [22:34:00] | rsquared: | yeah.. my menus fly on my box w/.19 |
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| [22:35:00] | aquatic0384: | ok well i will have to find somewhere to get those from i guess |
| [22:35:00] | aquatic0384: | but any advice on how i can quit myth and not logoff? |
| [22:35:00] | Puke2: | What distro? |
| [22:35:00] | aquatic0384: | i suppose that once i do that i can uninstall the myth stuff and then get the .19 |
| [22:35:00] | aquatic0384: | ubuntu |
| [22:35:00] | aquatic0384: | breezy |
| [22:36:00] | Puke2: | I have no idea, i suggest fedora |
| [22:36:00] | aquatic0384: | haha |
| [22:36:00] | Puke2: | Wilsonet.com |
| [22:36:00] | Puke2: | Perfect working tutorial |
| [22:37:00] | Puke2: | Except for my channel problem ;) |
| [22:37:00] | aquatic0384: | yeah but i dont want to start all over |
| [22:37:00] | bird603568: | pfft use SLS |
| [22:37:00] | aquatic0384: | takes to long |
| [22:37:00] | bird603568: | ;) |
| [22:37:00] | bird603568: | or LFS |
| [22:38:00] | bird603568: | why doesnt mythtv just make their own diostro? |
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| [22:38:00] | aquatic0384: | they kinda do |
| [22:39:00] | aquatic0384: | there is knoppmyth |
| [22:39:00] | Puke2: | Ahh, mythfilldatabase doesntmfix my prob eitherXD |
| [22:39:00] | aquatic0384: | but i wasnt able to do that |
| [22:40:00] | aquatic0384: | next question |
| [22:40:00] | aquatic0384: | using usb joysticks, and the mame and snes emulators in myth |
| [22:40:00] | aquatic0384: | how hard |
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| [22:45:00] | Puke2: | Yay i fixed it |
| [22:45:00] | aquatic0384: | ok well |
| [22:45:00] | aquatic0384: | maybe i will try fc4 |
| [22:45:00] | aquatic0384: | what about knoppmyth |
| [22:45:00] | aquatic0384: | what version does that have |
| [22:45:00] | Puke2: | All the latest |
| [22:46:00] | Puke2: | Including testing |
| [22:46:00] | aquatic0384: | humm |
| [22:46:00] | aquatic0384: | should i try that first? |
| [22:46:00] | aquatic0384: | over fc4? |
| [22:46:00] | aquatic0384: | i dont need this for anything else other than myth |
| [22:47:00] | Puke2: | Fc4, It is easiest if u have the common hardware, haupgage, nvidia, audigy |
| [22:47:00] | aquatic0384: | i have |
| [22:47:00] | bird603568: | you dont have a 150/250/350 |
| [22:47:00] | Guest543: | hi there – was looking through the forums, and saw a topic about digital TV signals – i was going to get the PVR-500 however, was wondering, what cards should i look at to get ready for this change over that is suppose to occur in about a year or so? |
| [22:47:00] | aquatic0384: | nvidia 6200, sound is on the motherboard, hauppauge wintv go |
| [22:48:00] | Puke2: | Knopp, is ok but i found fc4 better especially if u have any probs |
| [22:48:00] | Puke2: | G2g, gl aquatic |
| [22:48:00] | CpuID: | hmm, if i do a mythtv install without a frontend (backend only basically), is there a need for alsa or arts at all? |
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| [22:48:00] | aquatic0384: | thanks |
| [22:48:00] | CpuID: | i can understand on the frontend, just not sure if its only a backend |
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| [22:51:00] | Juski: | Guest543: Analogue TV will be getting switched off eventually. Here in the UK it's reckoned to be all gone by 2012 |
| [22:54:00] | bird603568: | thats going to suck when they ditch it in the US because ill have to trash my box |
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| [22:54:00] | bird603568: | because its too weak to do hd |
| [22:54:00] | rsquared: | it won't be for a while |
| [22:54:00] | rsquared: | and i'm sure you won't complain much, cuz HD is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy better |
| [22:54:00] | rsquared: | i can barely watch SD anymore |
| [22:54:00] | bird603568: | by then the mobo will probably take a shit on me |
| [22:55:00] | bird603568: | SD? |
| [22:55:00] | rsquared: | standard def |
| [22:55:00] | bird603568: | that what i thoguth |
| [22:55:00] | Guest543: | Juski: any particular card i should look at for digital cable or will i just have to get a digital box from my provider? |
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| [22:55:00] | bird603568: | but then i will probably get a cheap pos dell |
| [22:56:00] | Puke2: | How do u set mythtv tp use am/pm 12 hour time? |
| [22:56:00] | rsquared: | it does by default |
| [22:56:00] | rsquared: | at least on mine |
| [22:56:00] | bird603568: | isnt that in the system? |
| [22:56:00] | Puke2: | System as in...? |
| [22:57:00] | rsquared: | is your clock set to UTC? |
| [22:57:00] | bird603568: | well before netconfig it asked for 24hr adn i said yes |
| [22:57:00] | Puke2: | No i dont think |
| [22:58:00] | Puke2: | Where might there be a place to set it? |
| [22:59:00] | bird603568: | i could tell you if you had slack but you dont |
| [22:59:00] | bird603568: | try clock --set |
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| [23:10:00] | Guest543: | would this be a good idea? i was thinking about putting in a mobile AMD processor so that after a few hours of inactivity, have the processor "slow down" to save on power and cut down on heat being the machine would be on 24/7 |
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| [23:12:00] | Juski: | Guest543: you asked about digital cable TV tuners – whether you can use a DVB-C tuner depends on your cable provider |
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| [23:13:00] | bird603568: | getting a pentium-m would probably be a smartter choice they kick major ass |
| [23:13:00] | Juski: | course you can always get a cable box from the cable company & record it with a PVR card (changing channels on the box with an infrared zapper) |
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| [23:21:00] | xris: | Juski: dvb-c won't work in the US. |
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| [23:26:00] | Juski: | xris: ah well it won't work here either, fwiw |
| [23:28:00] | xris: | heh |
| [23:28:00] | xris: | at least you get dvb-s |
| [23:29:00] | Juski: | I've no idea what we get on DVB-S, apart from what we can get with dvb-t though |
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| [23:30:00] | kormoc: | I want a dvb-* receiver that receives it all! Muhahahahaha! |
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| [23:30:00] | Juski: | there are STBs that do dvb-s & dvb-t in one box |
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| [23:33:00] | wmichaels1: | Has any got 1920x1080i resolution component video from an ATI X800 XL 256 MB card? |
| [23:33:00] | rsquared: | We also have a proven 5C-DTCP software stack to support content protection. |
| [23:33:00] | rsquared: | oh snap |
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| [23:37:00] | Juski: | bah I need some dual-core cpu. rendering mpeg takes too long |
| [23:37:00] | kormoc: | Juski, wanna buy a pentium d 820? :P |
| [23:38:00] | Juski: | a bank breaker eh.. nice thought |
| [23:38:00] | kormoc: | Juski, it's not a bank breaker at all |
| [23:38:00] | kormoc: | Juski, they run ~ $250 new |
| [23:38:00] | Juski: | or £250 here |
| [23:38:00] | rsquared: | i got the 830 |
| [23:38:00] | rsquared: | i like it |
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| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | Juski, I'll sell you mine for $200 + shipping |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | the only issue with tha 8xx procs is the lack of the virtualization extentions |
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| [23:39:00] | rsquared: | kormoc: what's that? |
| [23:40:00] | bird603568: | pentiumDs are dual cores right? |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | rsquared, allowing much more effecent virtual machines on a hardware level. so I can run windows xp on my box inside of linux |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | bird603568, sure is |
| [23:40:00] | rsquared: | oh |
| [23:40:00] | Juski: | hmmm £138 here. not bad |
| [23:40:00] | rsquared: | well... i don't need that |
| [23:40:00] | rsquared: | so it's all good |
| [23:40:00] | bird603568: | must be a monster |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | rsquared, vmware has a typical overhead of ~ 10% to 15%, with the vtt extentions, it can drop to 2% or so |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | bird603568, it is a nice proc :) |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | $200 plus shipping works out about the same price I reckon – taking into account it's used ;) |
| [23:41:00] | bird603568: | in only follow hardware when im near my upgrade cycle and i jsut finished it about 6 months ago |
| [23:41:00] | kormoc: | hehe, it's just been tested... a lot! |
| [23:41:00] | bird603568: | apperently intel is makeing a dual processor pentium M chip |
| [23:41:00] | bird603568: | that would be hardcore sexy |
| [23:41:00] | kormoc: | the core duo, aye |
| [23:41:00] | kormoc: | it's already out iirc |
| [23:42:00] | bird603568: | crap to bad i didnt buy my laptop this year |
| [23:42:00] | bird603568: | and i thought that you couldnt get much better than a pentium-m |
| [23:42:00] | bird603568: | im always a year too early |
| [23:42:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:42:00] | bird603568: | like when i got a 166 |
| [23:42:00] | bird603568: | a few months later the P2 came out |
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| [23:43:00] | rsquared: | interesting... |
| [23:43:00] | bird603568: | and then i got a P4 then hyperthreading came out |
| [23:43:00] | rsquared: | http://www.indigita.com/products/customsolutions/avhd.html |
| [23:43:00] | kormoc: | bird603568, that's why you look at the roadmaps and see where things are going :P |
| [23:44:00] | bird603568: | well i needed a computer |
| [23:44:00] | bird603568: | because the 166 died |
| [23:44:00] | bird603568: | and i cant wait 6months to get a new computer |
| [23:46:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [23:46:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [23:47:00] | Jasper: | yo kormoc my os is going great.. |
| [23:47:00] | Jasper: | hmpf |
| [23:47:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:49:00] | Juski: | so uhhh what kind of motherboard does a pentium D go on? |
| [23:49:00] | rsquared: | my asus supports it |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | and LGA 775 one, usually a i945 or i915 |
| [23:49:00] | xris: | Juski: socket lga775 |
| [23:49:00] | ** xris likes his pentiumD, even if it's not a 920 series ** | |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | ah |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | haven't bought a cpu or board for like 2 years |
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| [23:51:00] | xris: | I couldn't pass up this latest deal from inte. |
| [23:51:00] | xris: | nice shiny new computer. |
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| [23:52:00] | xris: | got one for me and one for the wife. sold one of the old ones, no clue what to do with the 3G p4HT |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | ouch – new graphics card needed too.. |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | I'll pass for now |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | I got one of those, too. heh. |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | more hp than I'll ever use.... 6800gt |
| [23:53:00] | xpis: | Juski: Fry's/Outpost has good deals on AMD/NForce motherboad/CPU combos. |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | most powerful text editor on the planet. heh |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | xpis: that'd be REALLY expensive for Juski.... |
| [23:53:00] | xpis: | Where is he? |
| [23:53:00] | xris: | UK |
| [23:53:00] | Guest543: | if i go with a pentium-m, will the 400MHz bus speed affect performace that much? |
| [23:53:00] | xpis: | ok, that would be quite expensive. |
| [23:53:00] | Juski: | next MB & CPU are gonna be intel – never splurged before & I think I'm feeling the lack of FPU performance |
| [23:54:00] | xris: | Juski: 920 proc or whatever comes next, depending on when you're buying. |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | if only Sony would put GPU accelerated rendering into their software |
| [23:55:00] | kormoc: | Juski, nah, that's Beirdo's project! |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | there's a toy video editor with loads of realtime effects running in windows that uses GPU assistance |
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| [23:56:00] | kormoc: | gpu transcode... yummy |
| [23:56:00] | kgbudz: | yo, if a transcode errors, how do i find out why? |
| [23:56:00] | xpis: | Can anyone think of any logical reason that lame would drop quality, but not bitrate, 1.538 seconds into a recording? |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | might aswell use the GPU for something in its life in here |
| [23:57:00] | xris: | kgbudz: transcode the program or transcode the process of converting from one codec to another? |
| [23:57:00] | scopeuk: | wasent there some guy that hooked up a graphics card wia pci-e and used it to post procces soudn or something stupid? |
| [23:57:00] | scopeuk: | id say transcoee is highly posible |
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| [23:57:00] | kgbudz: | xris, i scheduled a trancode on a program and in the log, it says it failed due to error... |
| [23:57:00] | Juski: | scopeuk: there's an actual video editing program that makes use of a GPU |
| [23:57:00] | kgbudz: | it works on all the other shows.. |
| [23:57:00] | xris: | kgbudz: no clue, then. |
| [23:57:00] | scopeuk: | Juski very nice |
| [23:58:00] | scopeuk: | kgbudz is there anything diferent about it |
| [23:58:00] | Juski: | only problem is, scopeuk, it's a frickin _toy_ |
| [23:58:00] | kgbudz: | nope |
| [23:58:00] | scopeuk: | shame |
| [23:58:00] | scopeuk: | you sure dident update /downgrade anythign on your machine |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | "tenomichi 3d edit gold" it's called |
| [23:59:00] | kgbudz: | me? |
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| [23:59:00] | scopeuk: | kgbudz yes im jsut tryign to figure if you might have changed somthign that appears insignificant |
| [23:59:00] | kgbudz: | no, like i just transcoded another show |
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