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Monday, February 27th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Pete_: Will take me a few mins to do that though
[00:00:00] jams: nasa despends on the bitrate you record at
[00:00:00] Pete_: is the
[00:00:00] jams: depends
[00:00:00] Juski: hey Gumby: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=Btp&hl= . . . ch&meta= look at the 2nd hit. that's the one I just uploaded to my webspace
[00:00:00] Pete_: is the ~5 second pause after channel changes likely to be due to poor signal?
[00:01:00] nasa: jams: for discussion sake — let's say highest bitrate available
[00:01:00] Juski: Pete_: nah more like normal
[00:01:00] Pete_: just buffers then
[00:01:00] Juski: yeh unfortunately. vdr whoops mythtv's ass in that respect
[00:02:00] Juski: but vdr isn't as good all-round as mythtv... so get weaned off live tv ;-)
[00:02:00] Gumby: Juski: yeah, thats the one I have been trying to get to work. It reads the db properly and shows the proper info in the temp file @ /tmp/mythlink.$$ but nothing gets created in the directory I have chosen to save the symlinks in
[00:02:00] Juski: Gumby: works fine here
[00:03:00] Gumby: hrm
[00:03:00] Pete_: heres what my first card gives http://88.111.164.70:85/myth_log/dvbscan_log_card1 is what the newer card gives
[00:03:00] jams: nasa the highest bitrate is 16,000Kb/s
[00:03:00] jams: at least for a pvr card
[00:04:00] Pete_: the first card is finding less services
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[00:04:00] nasa: jams: so at that setting it's about 2MB/s....
[00:05:00] Juski: Pete_: output of tzap would be better, but I can see your point
[00:05:00] nasa: for the network through put.
[00:05:00] Pete_: tzap was wanting a channel config, which I don't have.
[00:05:00] Juski: yeh you do
[00:05:00] Juski: output of scan :-)
[00:05:00] Juski: you just posted 2 of em
[00:06:00] Gumby: Juski: all mine show "skipping /path/to/file.nuv"
[00:06:00] Pete_: can I just copy that whole file from the second card to ~/.tzap/channels.conf then?
[00:06:00] Juski: yeh
[00:06:00] Pete_: ok, Ill give it a go then run tzap again
[00:06:00] nasa: jams: guess that means that only 1 fe could watch tv over a wireless network
[00:06:00] Juski: Gumby: you got PVR/DVB cards or framegrabbers?
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[00:07:00] Gumby: pvr150 and one bttv card
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[00:07:00] Juski: Gumby: ahh
[00:07:00] Juski: there's your problem
[00:08:00] Gumby: why is that a problem?
[00:08:00] Juski: because in 0.19, the file extensions have changed for pvr cards
[00:08:00] Gumby: ah
[00:08:00] techgeek_us: Gumby: check 'my $mythpath' and 'my $altpath'
[00:08:00] rav3r: i am in fedora core 4, everytime i play a DVD, I have to go into the window syetem, and right click to eject the dvd. any way to fix this?
[00:08:00] Gumby: techgeek_us: they are set properly
[00:09:00] Juski: rav3r: there's a little bit of plastic on the front of the dvd drive that does the same thing, usually ;-)
[00:10:00] rav3r: it doesn't, that's the problem
[00:10:00] Juski: oops
[00:10:00] rav3r: i read something about that meaning that it needs to be unmounted first, any way to have it unmount by itself?
[00:11:00] rav3r: like, after inactivitity or something?
[00:11:00] Gumby: Juski: might you know why some of the files in my recording directory are .mpg's and some are .nuv's ?
[00:11:00] Gumby: is that because of one pvr150 and one bttv card?
[00:11:00] Juski: GUmby: yeh I do as it happens. that's how 0.19 works now
[00:11:00] Juski: mpeg files are now called .mpg
[00:11:00] Pete_: Juski: heres what I get from tzap
[00:11:00] Pete_: http://88.111.164.70:85/myth_log/tzap_default_bbc_one_scot
[00:12:00] techgeek_us: gumby: also check that the user you are running the script as has write access to the destination directory, and that the database password is correct
[00:12:00] Gumby: Juski: and why does it work that way? Any idea? Not saying its good or bad, I am curious is all.
[00:12:00] Juski: Pete_: BER is quite high there
[00:12:00] Pete_: BBC one was never a problem though, its everything on whatever mplex C4 is on
[00:12:00] Pete_: what is BER?
[00:12:00] Gumby: techgeek_us: they do, checked and checked. I believe Juski is right in why it doesnt work.
[00:12:00] Juski: Gumby: supposed to be less confusing
[00:12:00] Juski: Pete_: basic error rate
[00:12:00] Pete_: oh, hmm
[00:13:00] Juski: UNC is uncorrectable errors
[00:13:00] Pete_: Juski: what is a likely cause of that?
[00:13:00] Gumby: Juski: confusing why? Is it indeed because of the two different tuner types? I'm not sure what was confusing about it in the first place. lol
[00:13:00] Juski: Pete_: aerial alignment, poor cabling..
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[00:13:00] Juski: Gumby: people used to moan that .nuv files from PVR & DVB cards weren't mpeg.. (wrongly)
[00:13:00] Gumby: lol
[00:13:00] ** Gumby kicks the whiners in the junk **
[00:14:00] Gumby: it could be called .txt and still be an mpeg file
[00:14:00] Juski: aye
[00:14:00] Pete_: if I pass -a 1 to tzap, so using the second (new) card ber drops to 0
[00:14:00] Juski: LOL @ Bill Gates in Family Guy
[00:14:00] Pete_: snr is ffff
[00:15:00] Juski: Pete_: that's good.... you need a better signal in the 1st card
[00:15:00] Gumby: but that doesnt quite make sense. my pvr150 is the initial recording device. So by your accounts the files should be .mpg should they not? The majority are .nuv. In fact only two are .mpg
[00:15:00] Juski: snr stands for signal to noise ratio btw, Pete_
[00:15:00] Pete_: I have one cable going into the first card, which has an output with a short cable looping into the second card
[00:15:00] Pete_: yes, Im aware of snr
[00:15:00] Pete_: just didn't know that ber/unc were
[00:16:00] Pete_: Ill go put the arial directly into the old card and have a look if that lowers the ber value
[00:16:00] Juski: Pete_: yeh but unless the extra output of the first card is bufferred (which I doubt) you'll be halving your signal
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[00:16:00] Juski: an aerial amp with 2 outputs would be ideal
[00:16:00] Pete_: Juski: thats going to be the problem then
[00:17:00] Pete_: yes, there is an amp up there
[00:17:00] Pete_: back in a few mins.
[00:17:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: are you familar with what would cause it to where I dont get a confirm dialog about deleting files with mythweb?
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[00:20:00] Pete_: ugh I just got an electric shock off that case
[00:20:00] Pete_: now BER is 0 on the old card, the snr is a little bit lower, fefe
[00:20:00] Juski: pc hardware connected to TVs... hazardous
[00:21:00] Juski: fefe is good
[00:21:00] Pete_: yes
[00:21:00] Juski: BER of 0 is better
[00:21:00] Pete_: so I need to run some more cables across then ;)
[00:21:00] Pete_: directly from the amp, Ill just disconnect some other room for now
[00:26:00] Juski: anyhoo – nice for it to be something simple for a change
[00:27:00] Pete_: yes, im happy its something pretty easy to fix
[00:27:00] Pete_: I left it running while I was up looking for cables and ber has been 0 the whole time on the old card.
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[00:28:00] Pete_: although I can't find any tv cable that isn't already made up..
[00:28:00] Juski: always something for tomorrow ;)
[00:29:00] Pete_: im not giving up yet
[00:29:00] Pete_: managed to steal a cable from another computer..
[00:29:00] Juski: stealing cable?!  !!!!!
[00:29:00] Juski: lol
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[00:30:00] laga: 7ban pete
[00:31:00] laga: The newest registered user is mustmayostardayonnaise
[00:31:00] ** laga blinks **
[00:31:00] Juski: wtf?
[00:31:00] Juski: viagra-bot?
[00:31:00] laga: nope
[00:31:00] laga: his profile looks valid
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[00:32:00] laga: and his nick sounds tasty
[00:32:00] Pete_: did someone try to ban me there?
[00:32:00] techgeek_us: I suddenly need a sandwhich
[00:32:00] Juski: joke Pete_
[00:33:00] laga: Pete_: ;)
[00:33:00] Pete_: ah right..
[00:33:00] mofu: anyone have a Premiere/Business PayPal Account?? Do they collect fees on all payments, or just Credit Cards??
[00:33:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: broken javascript
[00:33:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: I tried with firefox, mozilla suite and safari :/
[00:34:00] Juski: mention stealing cables in here again and... oooeerrr
[00:34:00] Pete_: ber of 0 on both cards now ;)
[00:34:00] Pete_: time to see if my tuning problems are gone.
[00:34:00] Juski: you should be good to go now Pete_
[00:34:00] Pete_: well, I still need to get mythweb working yet ;)
[00:36:00] squish: ummm, a stupid question, trying to install the plugins and it is looking for qmake. i have FC4 and no qmake, any1 know what yum package i need to install?
[00:37:00] Pete_: Channel 4 ][ S/N 4.6db ][ BE 65535 ][ (l__) No Lock
[00:37:00] Pete_: squish: I found it was installed somewhere not in path
[00:37:00] squish: ok thanks
[00:37:00] Pete_: thats what I see when I try to watch channel 4..
[00:37:00] Juski: Pete_: eew
[00:37:00] Pete_: and still getting the weird error
[00:37:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh xris that auth for mythweb rocks :)
[00:38:00] Pete_: Ill take a picture
[00:38:00] squish: bummer, i dont have it in path
[00:38:00] squish: or anywhere on machine
[00:38:00] Pete_: that was my problem
[00:40:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: huh? I didn't really change any of that
[00:41:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: as for js, ff has a javascript debugger. it should print out the problems
[00:41:00] squish: yum install qt-devel ;)
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[00:41:00] Pete_: Juski: hmm, seems if I use card 1 I get a ber value of 0 on channel 4, but on card 1 I get a ber value of 0001fffe, which seems very high
[00:42:00] Juski: yuk
[00:42:00] Juski: is that with one card in use at once or two?
[00:43:00] Pete_: killed the backend, and used tzap -a 0 got the really high ber, swapped to -a 1 and got a ber of 0
[00:43:00] Juski: dodgy cabling again?
[00:44:00] Pete_: ill go swap it so the possibly better cable is on the card with the high ber
[00:45:00] Pete_: and here is the onscreen error I get
[00:45:00] Pete_: http://88.111.164.70:85/myth_log/myth_c4_error.jpg
[00:45:00] Juski: ready made cables are usually bad if you move em around more than a couple of times
[00:45:00] techgeek_us: Can I safely change all of my *.nuv files to *.mpg now that I am on .19?
[00:46:00] Juski: aerial cables I mean. I make my own with real coax & soldered connections
[00:46:00] Pete_: thats what both of those cables are
[00:46:00] Pete_: I think.. there are plenty of cables going about up there
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[00:49:00] Kelerion: oops.. wrong button
[00:51:00] Pete_: no.. it seems its a card problem
[00:52:00] Pete_: swapped the cables but card 0 is still getting a crazy high ber on channel 4
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[00:53:00] xris: techgeek_us: if they're mpeg, then yes.. use mythrename.pl, though
[00:53:00] Juski: Pete_: but card 1 is okay on its own, with either of the aerial feeds?
[00:53:00] Pete_: yes, so i guess the old card just isn't as sensitive
[00:54:00] Pete_: time to go get a new card..
[00:55:00] Pete_: let me start X on it and vnc in, see if kaffeine plays channel 4 (don't see how it possibly could, but I know I did have it working once upon a time on that card..)
[00:58:00] Pete_: Xv + vnc.. should have figured.
[00:58:00] Pete_: the snr is jumping all over the place..
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[01:01:00] Juski: Pete_: do you have any speed controlled fans?
[01:01:00] SlicerDicer-: ok xris thanks
[01:01:00] Pete_: yes, not in that box
[01:01:00] Pete_: I don't think..
[01:01:00] Pete_: how come?
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[01:01:00] Juski: you might be having a problem with RFI
[01:02:00] Pete_: but only on one card?
[01:02:00] Juski: ... and connecting two aerial cables is making the problem worse... I'm thinking it's earth-loop related
[01:03:00] Juski: ah wait – if you get the bad BER when you're just using one card on its own with just one aerial feed connected to it...
[01:03:00] Juski: then that'd shoot my theory down
[01:03:00] Pete_: so Ill go disconnect the cable going to card 1?
[01:03:00] Pete_: they are both coming from the same amp
[01:03:00] Juski: just have one feed connected – to the card you get the bad BER on
[01:04:00] Juski: don't connect the other aerial cable to the other card
[01:04:00] Juski: then try it
[01:04:00] Pete_: the card getting the high BER is closer to the CPU, so closer to a possible restrictor if there are any in there, and closer to the psu
[01:04:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: wow I did not know you were a beer brewer!
[01:04:00] Pete_: ok, Ill go disconnect the cable to card 1, but I will leave the actual card in there though?
[01:05:00] Juski: you know – digital aerial installs need to use CT100 cable or better ideally
[01:05:00] Juski: yeh Pete_
[01:05:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: I'm not
[01:05:00] SlicerDicer-: says on your site :)
[01:05:00] Pete_: back in a min
[01:05:00] xris: not beer, it doesn't
[01:05:00] SlicerDicer-: ok
[01:05:00] SlicerDicer-: what do you brew hehe
[01:05:00] xris: mead and cider
[01:05:00] Juski: Pete_ if you have any room you could try moving the problematic card to a slot further away
[01:05:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh cool xris
[01:05:00] xris: http://meadbrewer.com
[01:05:00] xris: I really should do something with that
[01:06:00] Pete_: 5 pci slots, Ill try disconnecting the cable to the other card first
[01:06:00] Juski: mead? I only ever had that once and man it was good
[01:06:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: I like brewing beer I just havent had the time nor patience lately for it
[01:06:00] xris: Juski: I know you can get a few "local" ones... I've had some pretty decent commercially produced ones from teh UK.
[01:07:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: beer is too much work. and I'm too picky. easier to buy the couple I like
[01:07:00] Gumby: Juski: not sure if you want it, but Ive found a mythlink that works in 0.19
[01:07:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe yeah xris
[01:07:00] xris: Gumby: mythlink was remade as mythrename
[01:07:00] Gumby: when having both mpg and nuv files
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[01:07:00] Juski: I was at a place called Lumley Castle when I had it.. a medeival banquet thing.. never seen it anywhere since... never looked mind you
[01:08:00] Gumby: xris: lol, well.. I have a mythlink script that does it. hehe. wish you had of been here an hour ago to let me know that. Might have made finding a script that worked properly easier
[01:08:00] Pete_: exactly the same BER value of 0001fffe with only one cable connected. Ill go shift the card down to a slot below card 1
[01:08:00] Gumby: cesman from knoppmyth came to my rescue
[01:08:00] xris: Gumby: it's all in contrib
[01:09:00] Juski: I might've figured I could buy mead from Holy Island
[01:09:00] Juski: :-)
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[01:14:00] laga: Juski: remind me to bring some mead then if i manage to visi for the lugradio thing
[01:15:00] Juski: woohoo
[01:15:00] Juski: if I ever remember to book my hotel room
[01:15:00] laga: hehe ;)
[01:15:00] Juski: must do that tomorrow
[01:15:00] laga: when is it again? in july?
[01:16:00] Kelerion: Sat 22nd July
[01:16:00] Kelerion: and 23rd
[01:17:00] Juski: just before my birthday :)
[01:17:00] Kelerion: just after mine :) 8th
[01:17:00] sphing: has anyone put mythtv on a ps2?
[01:17:00] Juski: any excuse for a session
[01:17:00] Kelerion: absolutely
[01:17:00] Juski: sphing: there'd be a big hoo-har about it if they had, I bet
[01:18:00] Pete_: with card 0 right down at the bottom of the case im still getting the same ber value ( 0001fffe)
[01:19:00] Pete_: it just seems like that card isn't as sensitive as the new one
[01:19:00] Juski: Pete_: ouch. que sera
[01:20:00] laga: thanks. awesome, i'll already be in summer break then ;)
[01:20:00] Pete_: que sera ?
[01:20:00] Juski: shit happens ;-)
[01:21:00] Pete_: ah
[01:21:00] Pete_: tempted to get another one of the new cards then
[01:21:00] nasa: I have a pvr-500 — how do I schedule recordings on either tuner, or will it do it automagically?
[01:21:00] Juski: flog the old one on ebay... they go for daft (high) prices sometimes
[01:22:00] Pete_: could do just that. I do still have the remote + IR thing, cd's but I don't think I have the box.
[01:22:00] Juski: nasa: myth will use any available tuner
[01:22:00] laga: Juski: do you have any brews over there that might please my spoiled mouth? ;)
[01:22:00] sphing: Juski: i have no idea what a hoo-har is
[01:22:00] sphing: good thing or bad?
[01:22:00] nasa: juski: ok, cool — thanks for answer
[01:22:00] Juski: laga: not well up on my local brews, Kelerion might be able to advise though
[01:22:00] Juski: I can recommend Brains S.A. though...
[01:23:00] laga: heh, i think i remember that story
[01:23:00] Juski: lol
[01:23:00] Kelerion: am a lager drinker.. not a "real ale" guy
[01:23:00] Juski: there will be no nekkidness as lugradio, rest assured folks
[01:23:00] laga: Juski: how can you tell?
[01:23:00] Juski: lol
[01:24:00] Juski: I bloody hope there won't be then
[01:24:00] laga: might be fun to *drive* to the UK...not sure if i' survive that ;)
[01:24:00] Blerghass: Is it normal for myth to hit the hard drive for roughly 1 second each time I page down in the program guide? Nothing weird going on in the logs.
[01:24:00] Juski: Blerghass: if you're low on RAM it might
[01:24:00] laga: Blerghass: might be normal..it's probably hitting the mysqld hard
[01:24:00] Juski: swappy swappy
[01:25:00] Juski: sping: I meant that if anyone'd done mythtv on a PS2 there'd have been a song & dance about it
[01:25:00] Pete_: reminds me.. I do need to get more ram for my mythbackend box
[01:25:00] Blerghass: doesn't seem to be using all my RAM, just looking at ps and top
[01:25:00] Juski: yeh but how much swap is being used?
[01:25:00] Blerghass: none
[01:25:00] Blerghass: is this how your guides act?
[01:26:00] Juski: I still have 0kb used with 512MB RAM
[01:26:00] nasa: Juski: the reason I ask — I am looking at "mythtv status" which shows the next 10 recordings. All of which are shown as Encoder 2 — even when there looks to be a conflict...
[01:26:00] Juski: not so I've noticed
[01:26:00] Juski: nasa: if both tuners have the same video source assigned to them all should be well
[01:26:00] nasa: ok, thanks
[01:27:00] Blerghass: so, I only have 256mb, but it doesn't seem to be using all of it. it pages fast if go back through channels I just browsed, so it seems to be caching them
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[01:27:00] jonty: is anyone using mythtv 0.19 with DVB? If so, how exactly do you add a transport?
[01:27:00] EnterUsErNaMe: hi all
[01:27:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i've got COAX digitals set up
[01:27:00] EnterUsErNaMe: and everything works on all my applciations except mythtv
[01:28:00] EnterUsErNaMe: any ideas how to fix mythtv?
[01:28:00] Pete_: jonty: when you scan are you getting a no tables error?
[01:28:00] jonty: Pete: no
[01:28:00] Juski: jonty: I am but I upgraded from 0.18
[01:28:00] EnterUsErNaMe: anyoen here use COAXIAL audio outpotu?
[01:28:00] nasa: hmm.., thinking about it. Will having both tuners -> cable and component on tuner 0 -> digital cause a problem?
[01:28:00] EnterUsErNaMe: dkey: the problem is, is that kmix doesnt work
[01:29:00] EnterUsErNaMe: or alsa mix with the COAX setup..
[01:29:00] EnterUsErNaMe: it automatically full blash
[01:29:00] EnterUsErNaMe: erk full blast
[01:29:00] Pete_: I am too, it is an upgrade because 0.19 wouldn't scan for me
[01:29:00] jonty: I scan, and get no channels, and when I select "add transport", I'm never allowed to enter one
[01:29:00] jonty: ah right
[01:29:00] Juski: scanning & stuff is being fixummified for SVN right now
[01:29:00] jonty: I have a 0.18 box too
[01:29:00] Kelerion: oh yeah.. lol.. http://playstation2-linux.com/projects/gentoo-ps2/
[01:29:00] Juski: you can import a channels.conf you know
[01:29:00] Kelerion: I wonder how well that works..
[01:30:00] jonty: Juski: how?
[01:30:00] EnterUsErNaMe: any ideas how i can get it to work
[01:30:00] jonty: is DVB scanning basically broken in 0.19 then?]
[01:30:00] Juski: jonty: it's around in the channel scanning setup pages in mythtv-setup
[01:30:00] Juski: scanning method
[01:30:00] jonty: right
[01:31:00] EnterUsErNaMe: can i send mythtv output to the right hardware device somehow?
[01:31:00] EnterUsErNaMe: using alsa
[01:32:00] Juski: bugger all the single rooms at the offishull lugradio hotelery are gone :-(
[01:32:00] Kelerion: already???
[01:32:00] laga: Juski: already? wow, that sucks
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[01:32:00] Juski: I'll get busy finding another nearby
[01:33:00] jonty: Juski: I can't find anything about "importing" in mythsetup
[01:33:00] Juski: http://forums.lugradio.org/viewtopic.php?t=17 . . . e949f80bd62f
[01:33:00] Juski: jonty: it was there in svn, so will be there in 0.19
[01:34:00] jonty: can't find it :|
[01:34:00] laga: Juski: wow, that seems to be a huge event
[01:35:00] Kelerion: http://www.wolverhampton.tic.dial.pipex.com/t . . . l_list.shtml
[01:35:00] Kelerion: theres a novatel.. so it should be relatively easy
[01:35:00] Juski: koolios
[01:36:00] Kelerion: 80 quid a night
[01:36:00] Juski: jonty: www.juski.co.uk/images/mythtv-setup.png
[01:36:00] Juski: what?! 80 squids?!
[01:36:00] Kelerion: thats room only.. no breakfast.. lol
[01:36:00] laga: http://wiki.lugradio.org/index.php/LUGRadio_L . . . ent_Writeups – juski, are you *sure* about the nekkidness?
[01:37:00] jonty: Juski: I can't select anything other than "Full Scan" on that screen :s
[01:38:00] Juski: laga: LOL
[01:38:00] Juski: Kelerion: had no idea wolver 'ampton was so expensive
[01:39:00] Juski: this is more my kinda place: http://www.wolverhampton.tic.dial.pipex.com/t . . . ritannia.htm
[01:39:00] Kelerion: York Hotel: Single 40 quid
[01:39:00] laga: what's 80 'squids' in euros?
[01:39:00] Kelerion: inc. breakfast
[01:39:00] Juski: laga: getting on for 130 euro
[01:39:00] laga: Juski: HOLY SHIT
[01:40:00] Kelerion: 117
[01:40:00] EnterUsErNaMe: hia ll
[01:40:00] laga: now, that's very expensive. i'd better start saving now
[01:40:00] Kelerion: 40 is 58 euros
[01:40:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i am looking for a link for mythtv on how to get it workign with Nforce4
[01:40:00] ** laga nixes the idea of bring the SWMBO along **
[01:40:00] EnterUsErNaMe: the one that is on thef orum is pointign to mythtv.info
[01:40:00] EnterUsErNaMe: which doesnt exist..
[01:40:00] laga: EnterUsErNaMe: www.mythtv.org7wiki/
[01:40:00] Juski: www.mythtv.org/wiki/
[01:40:00] laga: EnterUsErNaMe: www.mythtv.org/wiki/
[01:41:00] Juski: www.empornium.us
[01:41:00] Juski: oops
[01:41:00] Kelerion: now now Juski lol
[01:42:00] Juski: anyway it's not as if the official lugradio hotel is that close to the venue – parently it's a taxi ride away anyway
[01:42:00] ** laga coughs **
[01:42:00] laga: Juski: http://wiki.lugradio.org/index.php/LUGRadio_L . . . avel_Sharing
[01:42:00] Juski: heh
[01:43:00] Kelerion: Queen Vic – 27 quid a night single
[01:43:00] Juski: my information was 2 weeks old
[01:43:00] Juski: I'm not spending the night in anyone called Vic, mkay
[01:43:00] Kelerion: not even a Queen? *cough*?
[01:43:00] laga: if she's cute, that's ok
[01:44:00] laga: 27 quid..and cockroaches come for free?
[01:44:00] Juski: hmmm.. time for some google earthy stuff
[01:44:00] Kelerion: http://www.wolverhampton.tic.dial.pipex.com/tic/hotel_queen.htm
[01:44:00] opello: ok so i'm trying to fix my icons after the channel debacle (fixed by remove the channel source and re-adding, but the icons disappeared) ... because the channel table got cleaned out
[01:44:00] Kelerion: thats 39 euros for you foreigners
[01:45:00] Juski: Kelerion: if much beer is involved it'll have to be the Vic for me
[01:45:00] opello: but it keeps using /root/.mythtv/* as the icon path, even thought running as mythtv and $HOME is /home/mythtv ...
[01:45:00] Juski: unless every UK user I've ever helped buys me one ;-)
[01:45:00] Kelerion: yup.. same here
[01:46:00] Kelerion: I'm not impressed that the official web page for the Tourist board of Wolverhampton is a dial.pipex.com website
[01:46:00] SlicerDicer-: is there anyway to sort mythvideo similar to the way the recordings meny does it?
[01:46:00] laga: 'tea making facilities'? clichees scare me :/
[01:46:00] Kelerion: SlicerDicer-, press M
[01:47:00] Kelerion: lots of filters
[01:47:00] SlicerDicer-: Kelerion: I am talking about setting it up so the view is like it
[01:47:00] opello: any ideas...?
[01:47:00] Juski: laga: kettle barely small enough to fit in the en-suite sink ;-)
[01:47:00] Kelerion: then yeah.. List View
[01:47:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean sure it will look similar to it but I cant make subfolders or so to speak
[01:48:00] Kelerion: sure you can make subdirs
[01:48:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah?
[01:48:00] Kelerion: yup
[01:48:00] Kelerion: it's recursive
[01:48:00] SlicerDicer-: so if I create a folder
[01:48:00] laga: Juski: hehe. i'd like beer makign facilities better anyways ;)
[01:49:00] Kelerion: SlicerDicer-, make as many dirs as you want.. put whatever you want in them.. switch to List View in mythvideo... voila
[01:49:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm will check
[01:50:00] Kelerion: you don't believe me?? lol
[01:51:00] Juski: folks – 2 new hotel names: Fox Hotel & Ely House Hotel
[01:51:00] Pete_: Juski: thanks for all the help, Im gonna goto sleep now, its pretty late
[01:51:00] Juski: np Pete_
[01:51:00] Kelerion: Ely is 59 a night
[01:51:00] Juski: eek!
[01:52:00] Pete_: I think I might go in for another one of the new cards as they seem to work really well
[01:52:00] Kelerion: they're all on this page Juski: http://www.wolverhampton.tic.dial.pipex.com/t . . . l_list.shtml
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[01:52:00] SlicerDicer-: Kelerion: hmm interesting
[01:52:00] laga: what about...*shudder* youth hostels? not much drinking there but why not spend the night in a pub?
[01:52:00] SlicerDicer-: the subfolder I was hoping would show up differnetly :/
[01:52:00] Juski: laga: might be a plan...
[01:53:00] Kelerion: SlicerDicer-, huh?
[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: it still shows that damn left bar that is blank other than videos in it
[01:53:00] Kelerion: press Right
[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah but I dont want to have to do that everytime I load it
[01:53:00] Juski: laga: yha.org.uk not showing any for wolverhampton
[01:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I was hoping there was a way to make it permanant settings
[01:54:00] Juski: I hear it's fun to stay at the YMCA though
[01:54:00] laga: Juski: darn.
[01:54:00] Kelerion: SlicerDicer-, your *way* too fussy
[01:54:00] laga: Juski: actually, i was just thinking the same about the YMCA
[01:54:00] Juski: laga: I'd imagine there are lots of B&B style accom
[01:54:00] Juski: friendly, over-bearing hosts etc ;-)
[01:55:00] Juski: can't always trust these tourist info people
[01:55:00] laga: Juski: yeah. we don't need no stinking expensive hotels ;)
[01:56:00] Juski: 10 guest houses on the list
[01:56:00] SlicerDicer-: Kelerion: no I was just hoping that I could rename "videos" and add extra selections there thats all
[01:56:00] Juski: there's a pub... £25 a night
[01:56:00] laga: Juski: drinks included?
[01:57:00] Kelerion: laga: unlikely.. lol
[01:57:00] laga: darn :/
[01:57:00] Juski: CAMRA recommended... dunno where it is in relation to the venue though
[01:57:00] Juski: what a useless tourist info site though... no maps or owt
[01:57:00] Kelerion: Wolverhampton can't be *that* big.. a taxi ride to one place can't be *that* much more than a taxi drive to another place
[01:58:00] Juski: aye tis true
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[01:58:00] laga: i wouldn't even mind walking if it didn't exceed 30 minutes ;)
[01:58:00] Juski: walking? on the mean streets of the 'hood ?
[01:58:00] Kelerion: lol
[01:58:00] Juski: wouldn't make you do that
[01:58:00] laga: gee, it can't be that bad. ;)
[01:59:00] Juski: well I spose it ain't Manchester
[01:59:00] Kelerion: of course it can.. anywhere can be bad if people see you are pissed
[01:59:00] Juski: I could walk home in 30 mins from town, but I wouldn't
[01:59:00] Kelerion: "aha! easy pickings!"
[01:59:00] laga: Kelerion: heh
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[01:59:00] Juski: it's more serious than that round here unfortunately
[01:59:00] laga: i live in a quaint little town and only got robbed once, so i'm quite innocent ;)
[02:00:00] Juski: back end of last year a guy got killed for refusing to give some kid a light
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[02:00:00] laga: people suck :)
[02:00:00] Juski: that was like half a mile from my house
[02:01:00] fatdave: anyone know where I can get help with mythgame? (more specifically fceu)
[02:01:00] Kelerion: kids suck.. glad I was never one
[02:01:00] Juski: yeh me too
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[02:01:00] laga: Kelerion: yep
[02:01:00] Juski: well time for bed I think.. busy day hotel finding ahead tomorrow
[02:01:00] Juski: erm.. I mean _working_
[02:01:00] Kelerion: fatdave, who you swearing at? fceu to you too! :P
[02:01:00] fatdave: hah!
[02:01:00] laga: heh. night, i'm gonna count some sheep as well (wait, it's not scotland, right?)
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[02:02:00] Juski: it's not counting the sheep they're famous for, IIRC ;-)
[02:02:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[02:02:00] laga: Juski: remember, i'm innocent.
[02:02:00] Juski: aaanyway...
[02:02:00] Juski: nighty night all
[02:02:00] Kelerion: g'night :)
[02:02:00] laga: gnight
[02:03:00] Kelerion: fatdave, sorry.. don't use mythgame...
[02:03:00] fatdave: its ok. i have everything working. i'm just trying to figure out why my gamepad doesn't work with fceu (fceu is the emulator i'm going to use for nes games)
[02:03:00] ** Kelerion checks out fceu to see which smartass came up with that name **
[02:04:00] fatdave: i looked for a fceu channel but didn't find one
[02:04:00] fatdave: maybe i'll try the ubuntu room
[02:04:00] SlicerDicer-: Kelerion: I came up with a solution :) it was so obvious haha I would have to be a moron not to see it lol
[02:04:00] Kelerion: rename the Video dir?
[02:04:00] SlicerDicer-: no
[02:04:00] Kelerion: see default vid dir?
[02:05:00] Kelerion: set
[02:05:00] Kelerion: change the source?
[02:05:00] SlicerDicer-: well ok currently I h ave them all setting in one folder
[02:05:00] SlicerDicer-: all the transcoded things using nuvexport
[02:05:00] jonty: right, I think I must have the card setup incorrectly – Why would I be getting "Could not open card" in the card setup page when I select "DVB DTV capture card"?
[02:05:00] SlicerDicer-: anyway it is a absolute mess to find anything heh
[02:05:00] jonty: the driver is being loaded ok
[02:06:00] SlicerDicer-: the main thing is I am going to be transcoding tv programs to put in there so I wanted to have them to their own dedicated folder so to speak
[02:06:00] SlicerDicer-: so what I will do is isolate everything by category and then have to chose from that then the mess is gone and not only that but it lists the names in a wider area
[02:06:00] SlicerDicer-: its quite nice
[02:06:00] SlicerDicer-: I will have to take a screenshot
[02:08:00] Kelerion: ok – hope it works out
[02:14:00] djohnson: OK Mythical Guru's... I'm through my install of Myth (well, 98%) and am trying to watch some Live TV, and I get this error......
[02:14:00] djohnson: 06-02–26 18:13:15.159 RingBuf(/var/video/1009_20060226181315.nuv): Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/var/video/1009_20060226181315.nuv'.
[02:14:00] jonty: aha, fixed it, DVB modules don't like being compiled into the kernel!
[02:15:00] Kelerion: does that file exist?
[02:15:00] Kelerion: does /var/video have enough permission for myth to write to it?
[02:16:00] djohnson: Yah, /var/video is 777 (a+rwx)
[02:16:00] djohnson: and yes, the file actually does exist... (I just checked)
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[02:16:00] Kelerion: your using a 878 based card?
[02:17:00] djohnson: No, pvr 150
[02:17:00] Kelerion: what version of myth?
[02:17:00] EnterUsErNaMe:
[02:17:00] djohnson: .19
[02:17:00] opello: so, i lost my icons and mythfilldatabase (regardless of $HOME) is setting the icon path as /root/.mythtv, any ideas on how to fix this?
[02:17:00] Kelerion: theres ya problem then
[02:17:00] djohnson: ?
[02:18:00] djohnson: Why is that a problem? I just downloaded it ?
[02:18:00] Kelerion: myth thinks it's a .nuv file.. in .19 a pvr's file should be .mpg .. so your card isn't setup right
[02:18:00] djohnson: ah... OK
[02:18:00] Kelerion: .nuv files are 878 type files in .19
[02:19:00] djohnson: Well, that's cool!
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[02:20:00] djohnson: There we go... under capture cards it said "Analog" and I just changed it to PVR-250 MPG2
[02:20:00] djohnson: Let me try again, thanks
[02:20:00] ** Kelerion wonders if that has elevated him to a "Mythical Guru" **
[02:20:00] djohnson: sure has in my mind!
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[02:21:00] djohnson: Well, close
[02:21:00] djohnson: Now I get this:
[02:21:00] Kelerion: hmph
[02:21:00] djohnson: 2006-02–26 18:20:55.658 RingBuf(/var/video/1009_20060226182049.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/var/video/1009_20060226182049.mpg'. 0 retries remaining.
[02:21:00] djohnson: Hmm.... maybe a problem with my card.... let me cat /dev/video0
[02:21:00] Kelerion: enough hard drive space?
[02:21:00] Kelerion: ie – does that file have anything in it?
[02:21:00] djohnson: Tonnes, that's why I was reinstalling Myth, I upgraded to 400G
[02:22:00] Kelerion: ok
[02:22:00] djohnson: Heh, I should do this every few months, I learn more each time through... last time (my first) it took me over a week to get Myth running
[02:23:00] Kelerion: I *do* reinstall every few months.. drives my wife batty.. "why are you messing with it??? you just got it all perfect too!!"
[02:23:00] djohnson: Heh... I actually am excited to get it working on the TV, rather than just the computer... but one step at a time
[02:24:00] djohnson: Should I be concerned if a dmesg | grep ivtv doesn't give me anything
[02:24:00] djohnson: and nor does a modprobe ivtv
[02:24:00] djohnson: followed by another dmesg
[02:24:00] Kelerion: yup
[02:24:00] Kelerion: should tell you it's loaded
[02:24:00] djohnson: Good, because I'm concerned
[02:25:00] djohnson: modprobe doesn't even give any errors :(
[02:25:00] rav3r: anyway to get my cd-eject button to work?
[02:25:00] Kelerion: should also tell you if it's *not* loaded
[02:25:00] djohnson: Screwdriver
[02:25:00] djohnson: You'd think eh?
[02:25:00] djohnson: I'd think anyhow
[02:25:00] Kelerion: it should.. at least it does on my pvr-250
[02:26:00] Kelerion: lots of info then:
[02:26:00] Kelerion: [4294716.148000] ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 250, card #0
[02:26:00] Kelerion: [4294716.148000] ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================
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[02:26:00] rav3r: can i at least add an 'eject' command to a button on my remote?
[02:26:00] djohnson: It used to give me info too :(
[02:26:00] Kelerion: rav3r, sure.. make it fire an irexec command
[02:27:00] djohnson: Heck, when I was setting up myth, it even managed to scan all of the stations!
[02:27:00] rav3r: i'll try to figure it out
[02:27:00] Kelerion: rav3r, or edit the xml file
[02:27:00] rav3r: the xml file?
[02:27:00] rav3r: how so?
[02:27:00] Kelerion: yes – the xml file
[02:27:00] rav3r: i've never done that
[02:27:00] djohnson: I'm going to try a reboot, thanks for the help kelerion
[02:28:00] djohnson: Sometimes it helps :)
[02:28:00] Kelerion: np djohnson
[02:28:00] Kelerion: yup
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[03:27:00] r00fus: hello
[03:27:00] r00fus: can someone help me with digital audio?
[03:27:00] r00fus: i have my digital audio and alsa working
[03:28:00] r00fus: i can do aplay and get digital sound
[03:28:00] r00fus: but unsure what i need to select in mythtv to get it to play
[03:30:00] mos__: r00fus: youve set it up to use your sound /dev/
[03:30:00] mos__: ?
[03:31:00] r00fus: i had it for /dev/dsp
[03:31:00] r00fus: but there was no playback
[03:32:00] r00fus: so i put ALSA:default in the db
[03:32:00] r00fus: but i know that is wrong
[03:32:00] r00fus: is /dev/snd the S/PDIF interface?
[03:32:00] r00fus: unfortunately i have only one keyboard
[03:33:00] r00fus: so i keep plugging it in the mythbox as well, so if i am a lil slow to repsond, that is why
[03:34:00] mos__: that depends on the distro
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[03:34:00] r00fus: fc4
[03:34:00] r00fus: i basically copied my complete db from my last mythbox
[03:34:00] mos__: couldnt tell ya, i hate rpm distros
[03:34:00] r00fus: what distro do you use, gentoo?
[03:34:00] mos__: arch
[03:35:00] r00fus: no idea
[03:35:00] mos__: exactly
[03:35:00] r00fus: well let me ask you this
[03:36:00] r00fus: how can i find out what device alsa is using?
[03:36:00] r00fus: so i can enter that into the db
[03:36:00] mos__: is fc using udev?
[03:36:00] r00fus: yes
[03:36:00] r00fus: i assume so
[03:36:00] r00fus: i think since fc3 that is a yes
[03:37:00] mos__: hmm, not really sure. ive been holding of on the udev upgrade
[03:37:00] r00fus: because i know have alsa working, mplayer cn use it fine
[03:37:00] mos__: too many problems i hear
[03:37:00] r00fus: i can play dvds through myth
[03:37:00] r00fus: using mplayer, and hear the sound
[03:37:00] r00fus: but cant hear anything when playing my recordings
[03:37:00] SlicerDicer-: well the sound for playing dvd's comes through mplayer
[03:38:00] SlicerDicer-: the sound for recordings comes from internal mythtv player
[03:38:00] mos__: does your sound work on /dev/dsp ?
[03:38:00] r00fus: how can i check?
[03:38:00] r00fus: i mean, myth as not palying sound when i specified that
[03:38:00] mos__: put /dev/dsp in as the option and see
[03:38:00] SlicerDicer-: r00fus: so really one thing has nothing to do with the other I bet its beacuse of something similar to what I did with not compiling in oss support into mythtv it was a simple fix and everything worked dandy after that
[03:39:00] r00fus: Slicer: I am using the axel rpms
[03:39:00] r00fus: and putting /dev/dsp as the option gives me nothing
[03:39:00] mos__: SlicerDicer-: do you know why mythtv stores your datadirect password in plain text?
[03:42:00] xris: mos__: probably because it's not deemed as a security risk, and it needs to be able to have it in order to send to dd.
[03:43:00] mos__: yeah, not a security risk, but i found my mother using the same password that she uses for her bank
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[03:43:00] mos__: so i had to straighten her out today
[03:44:00] xris: mos__: yeah, hard to avoid stiff like that
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[03:44:00] mos__: uninformed people will be everywhere i suppose
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[03:44:00] dmz: uniformed people will be too
[03:45:00] ** xris just gets mad at banks/etc that don't let him put !@#$%^&*() in passwords **
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[03:46:00] mos__: wht bank doesnt let you do that?
[03:46:00] mos__: what*
[03:46:00] xris: mine
[03:46:00] xris: becu.org
[03:46:00] mos__: oh
[03:46:00] xris: couple of my credit card companies, too
[03:46:00] xris: "alphanum only"
[03:46:00] mos__: suntrust lets me se whatever i ant
[03:47:00] mos__: use*
[03:47:00] mos__: want*
[03:47:00] mos__: gah, pos wireless kb
[03:47:00] Agrajag-: my bank used to send me emails with my credit card number in the subject and body every month for a year.. first time they did it i complained, they said they'd get it fixed – took a year to fix it
[03:47:00] a-dub: banks can't do anything quickly
[03:47:00] mos__: Agrajag-: things like that are eayto fix when u thraten to sue
[03:48:00] Agrajag-: you'd think they'd want to get that fixed since it's their problem when there are transactions i didn't make
[03:48:00] a-dub: well sorta
[03:48:00] mos__: man this kb sucks, I'll be right back, gonna grab a wired
[03:48:00] SlicerDicer-: Agrajag-: and people wonder why identity theft is rampant
[03:48:00] ** SlicerDicer- rolls eyes **
[03:48:00] a-dub: it isn't the internet services manager dude's problem
[03:49:00] a-dub: it's a big giant bueracracy
[03:49:00] a-dub: where all the people that work there are out for their own interests
[03:49:00] a-dub: instead of collectively looking out for making the entity behave reasonable
[03:49:00] a-dub: er, reasonably
[03:50:00] a-dub: (i work in finance technology)
[03:50:00] mos__: the job of every beuracracy is to protect itself, if it gets things done there isnt work left to be done and it gets shut down
[03:50:00] a-dub: it's a lot like bizarro-world
[03:50:00] r00fus: so can anyone help me figure out what i need to set my audiooutput to be ?
[03:51:00] a-dub: and a hell of a lot less efficient than the tech sector
[03:51:00] r00fus: when i try mplayer -ao /dev/adsp /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
[03:51:00] r00fus: i get no sound
[03:51:00] mos__: tech sector is getting there
[03:51:00] r00fus: ditto for /dev/dsp
[03:51:00] r00fus: but when i just type mplayer /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
[03:51:00] mos__: r00fus: ls your /dev and put it into a pastebin
[03:51:00] r00fus: i get a sound
[03:51:00] a-dub: try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[03:52:00] a-dub: oh
[03:52:00] a-dub: it's working
[03:52:00] r00fus: yeah, i can get sound
[03:52:00] r00fus: mplayer just knows what to do
[03:52:00] mos__: he just doesnt know what device
[03:52:00] a-dub: is gnome sound server or whatever running?
[03:52:00] r00fus: i turned of kde sound server
[03:52:00] r00fus: off
[03:52:00] r00fus: otherwise i could not get aplay to work
[03:53:00] a-dub: funky
[03:53:00] a-dub: strace mplayer ...
[03:53:00] r00fus: i had followed someones instructions
[03:53:00] a-dub: | grep open
[03:53:00] r00fus: what is strace?
[03:53:00] a-dub: shows you all the system calls
[03:53:00] a-dub: of a program while it runs
[03:53:00] r00fus: what is the point of grepping open?
[03:53:00] a-dub: at some point
[03:53:00] r00fus: whjat should i be looking for?
[03:53:00] a-dub: mplayer will open /dev something
[03:53:00] a-dub: there will be a line
[03:53:00] a-dub: open (/dev/...)
[03:54:00] a-dub: somewhere in that output
[03:54:00] a-dub: so
[03:54:00] a-dub: mplayer ... | grep open | grep dev
[03:55:00] r00fus: i must be doing something wrong because even with those greps in there, it is showing the full strace output
[03:55:00] r00fus: shout i cat it to a file?
[03:55:00] a-dub: mplayer ... 2>&1 | grep open | grep dev
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[03:55:00] a-dub: er
[03:56:00] a-dub: strace mplayer ... 2>&1 | grep open | grep dev
[03:56:00] diode: can anyone help me fix the blue border issue with an nvidia card? i cant install xvattr and im having trouble finding anything on the web to point me in the right direction
[03:56:00] Agrajag-: why can't you install xvattr?
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[03:57:00] r00fus: appologize for the flood in advance
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/zero", O_RDWR) = 3
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/rtc", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/input/js0", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[03:57:00] r00fus: Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0 : No such file or directory
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY) = 4
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDWR) = 4
[03:57:00] r00fus: open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D2p", O_RDWR) = 5
[03:57:00] r00fus: so is it /dev/zero?
[03:57:00] Agrajag-: err why would you apologise and then do it?
[03:57:00] a-dub: no
[03:57:00] Agrajag-: anyway i think you just want to tell myth to use alsa?
[03:57:00] diode: i thought it might have been a case of a corrupt version, but it just wont install
[03:58:00] mos__: r00fus: next time us rafb.net/paste
[03:58:00] r00fus: what is rafb.net/paste?
[03:58:00] diode: Agrajag- ./configure says something about not finding gtk, is this necessary?
[03:58:00] mos__: go there and see
[03:58:00] r00fus: is it a website to paste that out?
[03:58:00] mos__: its a pastebin
[03:58:00] Agrajag-: diode: what distro are you using that doesn't have xvattr in a package?
[03:58:00] mos__: you put whatever you want, hit paste and give us the url to your paste
[03:58:00] Agrajag-: and no, i dont see why xvattr needs gtk
[03:59:00] r00fus: oh nice, sweet to know that
[03:59:00] diode: Agrajag- breezy
[03:59:00] Agrajag-: apt-get install xvattr ?
[03:59:00] r00fus: aight so how can i tell what mplayer was using?
[03:59:00] diode: breezy 5.1
[04:00:00] diode: Cannot find xvattr package.
[04:00:00] Agrajag-: but yeah i just checked and it apparently comes with a gtk frontend as well
[04:00:00] a-dub: /dev/snd/pcm
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[04:00:00] a-dub: try that
[04:00:00] Agrajag-: hmm im on debian and i have it. use apt-cache/file to search for it
[04:00:00] diode: im under the impression that the back is only for 64bit processors?
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[04:00:00] r00fus: what if i am outputting dts sound from a dvd?
[04:00:00] diode: package = back, oops
[04:00:00] Agrajag-: a-dub: i dont thikn that's what he should be doing. he should be telling myth to use alsa.
[04:00:00] r00fus: oh i guess that is irrelevent
[04:01:00] a-dub: yea i'm kinda talking out my ass haha
[04:01:00] r00fus: Agrajag, that is exatctly what i want to do
[04:01:00] a-dub: is that was alsa is
[04:01:00] a-dub: creates a bunch of meta devices in dev
[04:01:00] a-dub: so you can mix or whatever
[04:02:00] r00fus: would /dev/snd work?
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[04:02:00] Agrajag-: no.. use ALSA:default and default
[04:03:00] r00fus: in the db?
[04:03:00] r00fus: i tried ALSA:default already
[04:03:00] r00fus: instead of /dev/dsp
[04:03:00] r00fus: and i get an error, but i will try again
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[04:03:00] Agrajag-: for the mixer put 'default', for the device put 'ALSA:default'
[04:04:00] diode: Agrajag- i found the package on ubuntu.com, its not in the default repositories :P
[04:04:00] a-dub: so i have a question for you folks
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[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: hi all
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[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i cant get Mythtv to work with COAX
[04:05:00] a-dub: information on how auto-expire is supposed to work is sparse
[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: and ive followd the instructions exactly
[04:05:00] mos__: EnterUsErNaMe: card?
[04:05:00] a-dub: my mythbox filled itself up
[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: im pretty sure ... but still no soudn through mythtv
[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: CK804
[04:05:00] EnterUsErNaMe: rev 3
[04:05:00] a-dub: can you configure it to just start getting rid of stuff that is the oldest
[04:05:00] a-dub: when that happens?
[04:06:00] a-dub: i think you can set that up on a per show level
[04:06:00] a-dub: but can you do it on a global level
[04:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i did the nforce4 instructions
[04:06:00] mos__: EnterUsErNaMe: and have you gone into the frontend configuration and set up your sound?
[04:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i believe i have.. i tried all the combos
[04:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: ac3/spdif
[04:06:00] EnterUsErNaMe: and without
[04:06:00] mos__: EnterUsErNaMe: what device were you using?
[04:07:00] EnterUsErNaMe: /dev/dsp
[04:07:00] r00fus: Agrajag: THANKS!!!!!!
[04:07:00] EnterUsErNaMe: for audio and /dev/mixer for mixer
[04:07:00] r00fus: it was the mixer portion
[04:07:00] r00fus: that fixed it for me
[04:07:00] EnterUsErNaMe: r00fus: what mixer should i do?
[04:07:00] mos__: and you have sound in other apps?
[04:07:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yup
[04:07:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i have sound in all my apps but mythtv
[04:07:00] mos__: yep its just a conf issue then
[04:07:00] r00fus: <Agrajag-> for the mixer put 'default', for the device put 'ALSA:default'
[04:08:00] r00fus: that is what i just did
[04:08:00] EnterUsErNaMe: r00fus: you mean my issue?
[04:08:00] r00fus: and now i get sound out of S/PDIF in myth
[04:08:00] EnterUsErNaMe: ok
[04:08:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i'll giveit a try6brb
[04:08:00] r00fus: i dont know if it is your issue too
[04:08:00] r00fus: well hold on
[04:08:00] r00fus: yiou are trying to get digital sound out?
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: hrm still didnt work
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yes r00fus
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i took the wiki nforce4 page docs and i think i followed it all
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: under mixer was /dev/mixer
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: i replaced it with ALSA:default <shrug>
[04:09:00] EnterUsErNaMe: didnt work
[04:09:00] r00fus: well what happens when you try to aplay a sound?
[04:09:00] r00fus: can you get digital sound working at all?
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yes
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: Digital is working with Amarok
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: and Mplayer
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: with the mythtv setup
[04:10:00] r00fus: ok, this was my issue that i just solved like a second ago
[04:10:00] r00fus: but it was by doing what i just pasted in here
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: so where /dev/mixer was
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: you put ALSA:mixer
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: alsa in caps
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: mixer lowercase?
[04:10:00] r00fus: no
[04:10:00] r00fus: i put default
[04:10:00] EnterUsErNaMe: ok
[04:11:00] r00fus: <Agrajag-> for the mixer put 'default', for the device put 'ALSA:default'
[04:11:00] r00fus: follow that
[04:11:00] r00fus: and then try
[04:11:00] EnterUsErNaMe: oh
[04:11:00] EnterUsErNaMe: so device is ALSA:default instead of /dev/mixer?
[04:11:00] EnterUsErNaMe: which page should i be looking at/
[04:11:00] r00fus: do you know how to edit mysql?
[04:12:00] r00fus: i didnt use the setup
[04:12:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: are you around?
[04:12:00] r00fus: i just did it in mysql
[04:12:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yes i can use sql
[04:12:00] EnterUsErNaMe: which fields and table?
[04:12:00] r00fus: well make those changes there
[04:12:00] r00fus: it is the settings table
[04:12:00] r00fus: i use phpmyadmin
[04:12:00] r00fus: but if you want to do it from command line
[04:12:00] EnterUsErNaMe: yup i'll do it by the commadn line
[04:12:00] EnterUsErNaMe: which tables and fields?
[04:12:00] r00fus: AudioOutputDevice /dev/dsp
[04:13:00] r00fus: MixerDevice /dev/mixer
[04:13:00] r00fus: Database mythconverg  – Table settings
[04:13:00] EnterUsErNaMe: should i be using the latest cvs?
[04:13:00] r00fus: i am still on .18.1
[04:13:00] EnterUsErNaMe: not sure which one im on
[04:14:00] r00fus: this should not matter
[04:14:00] EnterUsErNaMe: oh ok..
[04:14:00] EnterUsErNaMe: im in the database
[04:14:00] EnterUsErNaMe: which fields should i modify
[04:15:00] r00fus: i pasted them
[04:15:00] r00fus: a few lines up
[04:15:00] EnterUsErNaMe: erk it scrolled
[04:15:00] EnterUsErNaMe: klet me quit out of my channels
[04:15:00] EnterUsErNaMe: so its the settings table?
[04:15:00] EnterUsErNaMe: r00fus: which field should be ALSA:default
[04:16:00] EnterUsErNaMe: and which dfield should be default ? thats what im confused about
[04:16:00] r00fus: AudioOutputDevice should be ALSA:default
[04:16:00] r00fus: MixerDevice should be default
[04:17:00] r00fus: sorry, i realized ipasted the wrong information before, that was the confusion
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[04:19:00] r00fus: allright, now if i can ask a question
[04:19:00] r00fus: i have my ooutput running from dvi>hdmi cable
[04:19:00] r00fus: geforce board
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[04:19:00] r00fus: and the mythscreen is not centered, and i can see kde desktop in the background
[04:19:00] EnterUsErNaMe: woo hoo
[04:19:00] EnterUsErNaMe: you r0ck r00fus
[04:20:00] r00fus: that workd?
[04:20:00] EnterUsErNaMe: thank goodness you were here :)
[04:20:00] r00fus: dont thank me
[04:20:00] r00fus: thank Agrajag
[04:20:00] r00fus: funny that we both came in at the same time
[04:20:00] r00fus: he just happened to answer me first
[04:20:00] EnterUsErNaMe: im so glad it worked
[04:21:00] EnterUsErNaMe: cuz for some reason i can't go back to line out
[04:21:00] EnterUsErNaMe: :)
[04:21:00] EnterUsErNaMe: crap
[04:21:00] EnterUsErNaMe: now the problem is only oen speaker is working
[04:22:00] EnterUsErNaMe: oh must be cuz of commercial
[04:22:00] EnterUsErNaMe: :S
[04:22:00] EnterUsErNaMe: when its in PLII-Movie only centre speaker is working
[04:22:00] EnterUsErNaMe: anyway its cuz the commercial was set to one speaker lol THANX EVERYOEN :)
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[04:32:00] rasto_: im having problems starting muthbackend after update
[04:32:00] rasto_: 2006-02–26 23:29:53.894 Upgrading to schema version 1121
[04:32:00] rasto_: 2006-02–26 23:29:53.896 DB Error (Performing database upgrade):
[04:32:00] rasto_: Query was: UPDATE keybindings SET action = 'ADJUSTSTRETCH' WHERE action = 'TOGGLESTRETCH';
[04:32:00] rasto_: Database error was:
[04:32:00] SlicerDicer-: has anybody noticed that with nuvexport if you use transcode its like 8fps vs ffmpeg is 30ish to encode.. I really would really like to use ffmpeg but the quality is terrible by comparison unless I am forgetting something
[04:32:00] rasto_: Duplicate entry 'TV Playback-ADJUSTSTRETCH-beast' for key 1
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[04:43:00] lane: Hi all. I'm trying to get MythFlix set up. I've been following along with the MythFlix README, but I've hit a snag. The instructions say to do a specific insert into the netflix table. The instructions seem to assume that you're pretty familiar with doing arbitrary SQL commands on the myth database.
[04:43:00] lane: The instructions given are here: http://pastebin.ca/43313
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[04:44:00] lane: I would appreciate any tips on how to proceed... I've run mysql -u root -p, and I have the mysql prompt
[04:44:00] lane: pasting in the command from the instructions (substituting in my actual rss feed) gives the error "No database selected"
[04:46:00] mos__: looking now lane
[04:46:00] mos__: lane: to what db do they want you to insert that
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[04:47:00] a1fa: damn guys
[04:47:00] lane: that's what they don't say
[04:47:00] a1fa: my mythtv box exploded
[04:47:00] mos__: the mythtv one?
[04:47:00] lane: I suppose mythconverg
[04:47:00] a1fa: there was smoke everywhere
[04:47:00] a1fa: hehee
[04:47:00] a1fa: i have a god awfull headache from that smoke
[04:47:00] mos__: if they dont say its most likely that
[04:47:00] mos__: well open up a console and do this
[04:47:00] a1fa: looks like power supply fried, which fried the motherboard
[04:48:00] a1fa: i am about to take a picture of the mother board
[04:48:00] mos__: mythtv --user="your mythtv username" --password="your mythtv password" mythconverg
[04:48:00] mos__: no quotes on those
[04:48:00] mos__: err wait i typoed
[04:48:00] mos__: mysql --user="your mythtv username" --password="your mythtv password" mythconverg
[04:49:00] mos__: usually the password/username is just mythtv
[04:49:00] mos__: so try that first
[04:49:00] mos__: you should have a mysql> prompt now
[04:50:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: what's up?
[04:50:00] lane: OK, I think I've got it
[04:50:00] lane: I used mythconverg.netflix instead of just netflix
[04:51:00] lane: I'll change that in the wiki now...
[04:51:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: hi I was going to let you know that you have something spelled wrong in nuvexport :)
[04:52:00] xris: oh?
[04:52:00] SlicerDicer-: quantization is spelled wrong it needs a z not a s from what I gather anyway :)
[04:52:00] xris: wherE?
[04:52:00] SlicerDicer-: or I may be wrong
[04:52:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
[04:52:00] xris: s is correct
[04:52:00] SlicerDicer-: is it?
[04:52:00] SlicerDicer-: well hell color me stupid
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[04:52:00] djohnson: english/american spellings
[04:52:00] xris: well, that's how the programs spell it.
[04:52:00] xris: aspell says Z is correct
[04:52:00] Agrajag-: xris: review my frontend control patch already! :)
[04:52:00] mos|ghost: gah, disconnected
[04:52:00] mos|ghost: lane: what was the last msg you saw from me?
[04:52:00] xris: Agrajag-: no, I've been working on beirdobot this weekend
[04:53:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: ahh well no worries
[04:53:00] Agrajag-: haha ok – what's beirdobot going to do?
[04:53:00] lane: mos: "you should have a mysql> prompt now"
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[04:53:00] xris: Agrajag-: http://www2.beirdo.ca/bot/
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[04:53:00] a1fa: gyts :(
[04:53:00] a1fa: no body cares about me
[04:53:00] a1fa: ;(
[04:53:00] xris: replacement bot for MythLogBot's crappy javaness
[04:53:00] a1fa: my mythtv box exploded
[04:53:00] djohnson: I'm sorry to hear that
[04:53:00] a1fa: it was awfull
[04:53:00] djohnson: I think I just got mine going
[04:53:00] a1fa: it stunk
[04:53:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh and during that time I have been playing with transcode a bit more with nuvexport now :) I cant seem to figure out but the % overscan crop I have run it from 1–5% and it does nothing? I mean absolutely nothing its like I did not even change it at all
[04:54:00] djohnson: With one minor (major) pissoff....
[04:54:00] xris: a1fa: I recommend NOT using a chemical fire extinguisher..
[04:54:00] thechris: that's exactly why i don't store beer in my mythtv box
[04:54:00] a1fa: xris : i didnt
[04:54:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: weird
[04:54:00] mos__: lane: I pm'd it to avoid flood
[04:54:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: yeah its strange
[04:54:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: sorry to hear that
[04:54:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: I wonder if its the revision I am using?
[04:54:00] a1fa: it just exploded
[04:54:00] a1fa: all of a sudden
[04:55:00] a1fa: first, the power supply blew
[04:55:00] SlicerDicer-: what part?
[04:55:00] a1fa: second, bunch of condensors out of a motherboard exploded
[04:55:00] SlicerDicer-: holy crap
[04:55:00] a1fa: they look like colorflower
[04:55:00] SlicerDicer-: the capaciters on the motherboard "blew open" or off?
[04:55:00] a1fa: blew open
[04:55:00] SlicerDicer-: wow
[04:55:00] a1fa: i dont know why
[04:56:00] a1fa: what would cause it to do that
[04:56:00] lane: mos: I did that, but substituted mythconverg.netflix for netflix
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: well a1fa was it a generic PSU?
[04:56:00] a1fa: i think so
[04:56:00] a1fa: i dont know what happened first
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: I have had 2 blow up on me
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: litterally explode
[04:56:00] a1fa: the mobo or the power supply?
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: I will use nothing but antec PSU's
[04:56:00] a1fa: what do you think?
[04:56:00] mos__: lane: you just made a table called mythconverg inside the mythconverg db then
[04:56:00] lane: oh
[04:56:00] SlicerDicer-: the PSU just like you discribed I bet that it was just not as nice as it was to me when mine blew
[04:56:00] lane: really?
[04:57:00] a1fa: i am trying to upload a picture of the capaciters
[04:57:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: alright
[04:57:00] a1fa: http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf01043yv.jpg
[04:57:00] lane: mos: I didn't pass mythconverg as a param to mysql
[04:57:00] a1fa: here we go
[04:57:00] SlicerDicer-: looking
[04:57:00] a1fa: look @ that wheel
[04:57:00] a1fa: its liquified
[04:57:00] mos__: lane: uhh.. why not
[04:57:00] lane: a1fa: is that dust or ash on the capacitors
[04:58:00] a1fa: dust on the side
[04:58:00] a1fa: ash on top of them
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[04:58:00] mos__: why do people ask for help and not follow the help as specified?
[04:58:00] lane: mos: I just did "mysql -u root -p"
[04:58:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: that looks like bad capaciters on the mobo
[04:58:00] a1fa: yeah
[04:58:00] a1fa: look at that wheel next to the atx connector
[04:58:00] a1fa: it got liquified
[04:58:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: I have seen that before without the PSU going bang maybe the mobo was bad?
[04:58:00] a1fa: the PSU is bad as well
[04:59:00] a1fa: there is black dust out
[04:59:00] a1fa: in the back
[04:59:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: those X capaciters are the only ones I have seen leak like that too
[04:59:00] djohnson: I ask for help and follow the help religiously
[04:59:00] djohnson: Which is to say, only on Sundays
[04:59:00] djohnson: lucky for me...... today is
[04:59:00] SlicerDicer-: I would put money on it that the motherboard was bad a1fa now that I saw it
[04:59:00] mos__: djohnson: sunday ends in 1 min here, make it quick
[04:59:00] lane: mos: sorry. I didn't see your bit about passing mythconverg as a parameter until after I'd already tried the mythconverg.netflix, which worked
[05:00:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: is that a epox mobo?
[05:00:00] mos__: :D
[05:00:00] djohnson: OK, anybody got a Windows Front-end working?
[05:00:00] djohnson: I got 30 seconds!
[05:00:00] mos__: nope too late
[05:00:00] a1fa: yes
[05:00:00] a1fa: epox sucks
[05:00:00] djohnson: mos__: shoot....
[05:00:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: yeah my dad had that same problem with his mobo from epox the capaciters screwed up
[05:00:00] Agrajag-: djohnson: no
[05:01:00] a1fa: too bad i still have epox
[05:01:00] a1fa: in my 2nd box
[05:01:00] djohnson: At least I got Myth working.... last issue is that my LVM isn't working, and I think it's because one of my drives is connected via a PCI IDE controller...
[05:01:00] a1fa: amd64 :(:(
[05:01:00] thechris: djohnson: at this point i just use samba and watch tv from the mpeg's
[05:01:00] a1fa: time to order new mobo, cpu, and case
[05:01:00] SlicerDicer-: my advice to you a1fa Asus, MSI, Gigabyte one of those
[05:01:00] a1fa: cool
[05:01:00] a1fa: hopefully my HD is fine
[05:01:00] SlicerDicer-: Asus give me trouble personally but I am sure that plenty of people would advise them here
[05:01:00] SlicerDicer-: MSI is great and so is Gigabyte to me
[05:01:00] thechris: a1fa: i'd avoid certain asus a8v mobos known to have issues with some tv tuners. and i hate my asus a8v...
[05:02:00] lane: mos__: I really do appreciate the help :)
[05:02:00] a1fa: i'll go with gigabyte
[05:02:00] mos__: lane: yeah no problem
[05:02:00] djohnson: thechris: I have samba setup, but since the mpg's have really difficult names, how do you know which one you want to watch?
[05:02:00] a1fa: i am still in denial :P
[05:02:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: its understandable
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[05:02:00] djohnson: is there a way to get Myth to rename the files based on the show's title?
[05:02:00] a1fa: haha
[05:02:00] thechris: djohnson: maybe make a script to take things from mysql and make playlists. i had something like this set up a while back
[05:02:00] a1fa: SlicerDicer- : you think cpu is fine?
[05:03:00] Agrajag-: djohnson: just use mythweb to get to the recordings?
[05:03:00] a1fa: since it was right next to those mofo caps
[05:03:00] djohnson: Agrajag-: that transfers over the whole file before it plays though :(
[05:03:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: I would not automagicly write off the cpu or any other parts
[05:03:00] a1fa: i had my pvr500 in there
[05:03:00] a1fa: :(
[05:03:00] djohnson: thechris: good idea! Like a select from the DB and just rename based on that.
[05:04:00] djohnson: Then it would also have to remove the entry I suppose
[05:04:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: you can buy a cheap 20$ microatx gigabyte 7VM400M-RZ and test the parts in it if your afraid of them messing up a existing mobo
[05:04:00] SlicerDicer-: 20$ to test parts is a pretty good deal hehe
[05:04:00] thechris: djohnson: NO. just make links to the files
[05:04:00] xris: djohnson: look in contrib for mythrename.pl
[05:04:00] thechris: djohnson: otherwise the auto-expire won't be able to delete anything.
[05:04:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: and nothing else you can use that mobo to rebuild your system with that board "that board ran my mythbackend for about a year"
[05:04:00] xris: thechris: .19 can do it
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[05:05:00] thechris: xris: you mean with the script you linked to?
[05:05:00] a1fa: hehe
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[05:05:00] a1fa: what happened after a year?
[05:05:00] xris: thechris: yes... or manually. the filename is now stored in the database.
[05:05:00] a1fa: i need something top end
[05:05:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: upgrade! :)
[05:05:00] djohnson: damn window close!
[05:05:00] a1fa: i run my ssl tunnels on this box as well
[05:06:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: I went to a 3500+ AMD with 2gb ram hehe
[05:06:00] a1fa: dang dude
[05:06:00] a1fa: high class :P
[05:06:00] a1fa: why so much
[05:06:00] SlicerDicer-: cause I got the box at a smokin deal a friend of mine was going to beat it with a hammer
[05:06:00] SlicerDicer-: he was going full mac so I got it off him at a great deal
[05:07:00] a1fa: :P
[05:07:00] SlicerDicer-: otherwise that 1.4ghz would be my backend still hehe
[05:07:00] a1fa: nice
[05:07:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[05:07:00] a1fa: i need to switch to 2-tier design
[05:08:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: but I have had 2 PSU's explode on me and the components were fine and I have seen several mobos from people I know with bad caps and the components were fine so dont writeoff the hardware in that box.. just writeoff the Mobo and PSU as a Double-Kill ;-)
[05:09:00] a1fa: ;)
[05:09:00] a1fa: kewl
[05:09:00] a1fa: i got my tax refund
[05:09:00] a1fa: i was gonna save that money
[05:09:00] a1fa: now i have to buy parts ;P
[05:09:00] a1fa: tax-write off, anyone?
[05:09:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh well you know you will enjoy it :)
[05:09:00] ** xris is still waiting for paperwork from his wife's school loans... **
[05:09:00] a1fa: i need it before wendsday
[05:09:00] a1fa: so i can record lost
[05:10:00] a1fa: all new episode
[05:11:00] a1fa: man.. that shit was nasty
[05:11:00] a1fa: it is still making me nocsious
[05:11:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[05:12:00] SlicerDicer-: a1fa: you sound like me 3 weeks ago
[05:12:00] SlicerDicer-: I was going out of my mind trying to get my mythbox online when the PSU exploded
[05:12:00] SlicerDicer-: I did not want to miss lost haha
[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I got the box back up withen 1 hour of lost coming on LOL!!
[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: thats how close I cut it
[05:13:00] a1fa: sucks :(
[05:13:00] a1fa: who's gonna share lost w/ me if i dont get it back up by wed?
[05:14:00] xris: a1fa: usenet.
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: Latest version installed: 0.2_pre20060118
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: thats the version of nuvexport I have on there dunno if I should downgrade to a previous version or something or use a newer one
[05:14:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: old version
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: try to fix that crop % thing
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: ok xris thanks
[05:14:00] xris: use .3 with svn
[05:14:00] xris: not that it makes a lot of difference. I don't think I've done much other than remove mpeg2cut
[05:15:00] topping: hey all
[05:15:00] SlicerDicer-: 0.2_pre20051020
[05:15:00] phar0e: yo yo
[05:15:00] SlicerDicer-: thats the lower one in portage that I can emerge right now
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[05:16:00] topping: anyone know the best plan after updating from svn... should i run ./configure from scratch?
[05:16:00] topping: presuming so, but wanted to avoid the step if possible
[05:16:00] a1fa: topping : svn update && make clean && configure && make && make install
[05:16:00] topping: okie
[05:16:00] topping: th
[05:16:00] a1fa: yah
[05:17:00] a1fa: what cpu should i go with
[05:17:00] a1fa: i wanna to 2tier architecture
[05:17:00] ** topping has an amd64 backend, xbox frontend **
[05:18:00] a1fa: nice
[05:18:00] a1fa: xbox livecd?
[05:18:00] topping: xebian
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[05:18:00] phar0e: amd64, how much I love thee.
[05:18:00] a1fa: my fav
[05:18:00] topping: for the frontend, a AOpen mini looks real sweet
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[05:19:00] a1fa: i am going to do the same thing
[05:19:00] a1fa: xbox for my tier2
[05:19:00] a1fa: did you have to mod your xbox?
[05:20:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris, any thoughts on how you were thinking of doing the perl library for Myth? I was out of town in a hotel last week and the internet access was down so I threw something together real quick that can connect to the backend, query recordings list, trigger a reschedule on the scheduler, and retrieve program info for a particular program. I was just trying to get some basics like backend communication working and SQL queries
[05:20:00] Captain_Murdoch: e a quick look?
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[05:20:00] topping: a1fa: i added a chip
[05:21:00] topping: have two of them actually, but one just sits there doing nothing
[05:21:00] a1fa: so you must add a cip?
[05:21:00] topping: it's more reliable imho
[05:22:00] djohnson: topping: I have the mod done in my xbox, but am a little loathe to get rid of the other xbox capabilities... do you have to install Linux? Or is there an XBE install for mythfrontend?
[05:22:00] topping: djohnson: i installed xebian in the game save area
[05:22:00] topping: so everything still works
[05:22:00] djohnson: topping: so you just start it as a game?
[05:22:00] topping: yes
[05:22:00] djohnson: As in start Xebian as a game?
[05:23:00] djohnson: Excellent!
[05:23:00] djohnson: Any idea where I might find a good "how-to"?
[05:23:00] a1fa: how about the remote control?
[05:23:00] topping: there's a cromwell bios for gentoox that i use
[05:23:00] a1fa: topping : so you dont need chip to boot xebian?
[05:23:00] topping: a1fa: there's ways to do it, but you have to go through a lot of headache and it doesn't work well with newer rev boxen IIRC
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[05:24:00] topping: it's actually easier to chip it out if you can believe it
[05:24:00] djohnson: So you can't just run it as a game? I use XBMC as my dashboard, and I'd like to play around with Myth running as well.
[05:24:00] djohnson: I'm not sure I can reflash the bios either
[05:25:00] topping: that's where the chip comes in
[05:25:00] topping: it will swap bios for you
[05:25:00] djohnson: Well, the chip already has a bios on it....
[05:26:00] Beirdo: xris, having fun? :)
[05:26:00] topping: i used xenium ice
[05:26:00] a1fa: xenium ice
[05:27:00] topping: xenium makes life super duper easy
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[05:27:00] a1fa: topping : what do you mean?
[05:28:00] djohnson: I have a xecuter 2
[05:28:00] topping: if you boot an xbox with a chip like xenium in it, you get a nice boot menu and extra flash to load more bioses
[05:28:00] djohnson: a1fa: There are different chips you can get to mod the xbox that have room for various BIOS's, He has a nice chip that can handle 2 or 4 Megs of BIOS, I have a cheap one that has less
[05:29:00] topping: what he said :-)
[05:29:00] a1fa: do you need to solder anything
[05:29:00] a1fa: my hands are shaky :P
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[05:30:00] djohnson: a1fa: Depends on the chip, but they all involve at least 1 soldier point. IT's not hard though
[05:30:00] topping: beer helps
[05:30:00] a1fa: topping.. do you mind if i msg u
[05:30:00] topping: sure
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[05:33:00] topping: there's something so satisfying about 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda'...
[05:34:00] bobbyz: if by satisfying you mean frightening, then yes  :)
[05:34:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[05:34:00] topping: it's just something that you don't get to do very often
[05:34:00] topping: and it's so much more permanent than 'rm -rf /'
[05:35:00] bobbyz: and for good reason, soo!  :) I've used dd to zero a filesystem only once, and I think I must have checked the syntax 5 times before I hit enter  :)
[05:36:00] topping: hehe
[05:36:00] topping: i'm restoring a laptop with factory OS, wiping linux boot loader requires dd
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: when I downgraded its not showing my 0.19 recordings in nuvexport :/
[05:37:00] kikisli: it does?
[05:37:00] thechris: topping: maybe try the dos: fixmbr
[05:37:00] topping: thechris: hmm, maybe
[05:37:00] topping: dos smells funny tho
[05:38:00] thechris: SlicerDicer-: the 0.19 recs should be in mpeg format if you have that capability
[05:38:00] kikisli: only problem i've ever had is windows not deleting and creating partitions if linux ones are there. boot off a livecd and deleting the partitions let me install windows fine.
[05:38:00] SlicerDicer-: thechris: the newer version of nuvexport works with 0.19 the older one does not
[05:39:00] SlicerDicer-: thechris: I am just trying to figure out why I cant do the % overscan crop
[05:46:00] SlicerDicer-: :/ it wont crop the border with ffmpeg either
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[05:47:00] fatmatt: hmm just got myself a asus N6200 AGP card, anyone know why it would be showing tvout in B&W?
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[05:50:00] fatmatt: anyone..... anyone...
[05:51:00] Beirdo: fatmatt, check to be sure you have it in PAL mode rather than NTSC
[05:51:00] Beirdo: (or vice versa if you are in North America)
[05:52:00] Beirdo: dunno how :)
[05:52:00] Beirdo: but that's a common reason for a problem like that
[05:52:00] fatmatt: hmm, got PAL set in one of the things there...
[05:53:00] fatmatt: maybe I can set the tv to ntsc...
[05:53:00] Beirdo: or if you are using svideo, make sure the chroma is working...
[05:53:00] SlicerDicer-: Beirdo: its a xorg.conf setting
[05:53:00] Beirdo: if there's no chroma signal, you'd get B&W too
[05:53:00] SlicerDicer-: fatmatt: make sure that your svideo is not plugged in weird
[05:53:00] SlicerDicer-: plug it in all the way I have had them halfway plugged in and be balck and white
[05:54:00] Beirdo: anyways, I'm going to once again try to go to bed
[05:55:00] SlicerDicer-: fatmatt: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_TV_Output_for_MythTV just use that as a base guide on how to setup the video ouput
[05:55:00] topping: anyone know the debiaan package for lirc headers?
[05:55:00] SlicerDicer-: if that is indeed the case with it set to pal
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[05:56:00] a-dub: i have a question for you guys...
[05:57:00] a-dub: i have a wintv pvr 500 and an ati radeon video card, when you're watching live tv...
[05:57:00] a-dub: is it as smooth as watching tv itself
[05:57:00] a-dub: i've found the motion to be a bit chunky
[05:57:00] a-dub: like when you put on a news channel with a scrolling marquee you can really see it
[05:58:00] kikisli: see if you can set it to use xvmc and use the bob deinterlacer
[05:58:00] a-dub: and i'm wondering if i switched to an nvidia card with xvmc
[05:58:00] a-dub: if that would fix it
[05:58:00] a-dub: i can't use xvmc with the radeon
[05:58:00] kikisli: so ati doesn't support xvmc?
[05:58:00] a-dub: nope
[05:59:00] ZeroDiv: When I try to play some of my recorded shows through mythweb "mplayer http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/data/recordings/1241 . . . 00.mpg" everything works well, but other shows will give me a 404 file not found error. Is there some way to fix this?
[05:59:00] kikisli: have you tried the kernel deint?
[05:59:00] a-dub: yes
[05:59:00] a-dub: and i've tried running the frontend suid root
[05:59:00] kikisli: for the realtime stuff?
[05:59:00] a-dub: yea
[05:59:00] kikisli: yeah, sorry. maybe you need nvidia
[05:59:00] a-dub: is it smooth for you with nvidia?
[05:59:00] kikisli: although i've like the ati's color output
[06:00:00] kikisli: liked
[06:00:00] kikisli: it's smooth for everything i've tested
[06:00:00] a-dub: have you tested with a radeon?
[06:00:00] kikisli: my machine i'm using isn't stable at all, though
[06:01:00] kikisli: i did a while ago, out of a radeon 9200 LE I think it was
[06:01:00] kikisli: but I don't know if I ever had either the radeon or the nvidia card i was testing with smooth back then
[06:01:00] fatmatt: dammit
[06:01:00] fatmatt: if this card is dodgy, I'm not going to be happy
[06:01:00] kikisli: fatmatt: i'm wondering if my card is, too :)
[06:02:00] kikisli: if i go in and out of watching a recording quickly, it freezes, and i get something in dmesg that sounds like my drivers version isn't right, but kernel and glx are
[06:03:00] a-dub: i'm also running on an amd processor so i wonder if maybe that might have something to do with it
[06:03:00] kikisli: if it's low-end maybe
[06:03:00] kikisli: i'm running on an amd, too
[06:03:00] a-dub: ie: if these binaries are optmized for intel
[06:04:00] a-dub: model name  : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
[06:04:00] kikisli: well, it won't be degraded on amd. maybe not optimized for it, as much as it could be
[06:04:00] kikisli: i'm sure that's beefy enough.
[06:04:00] kikisli: even for hdtv
[06:04:00] a-dub: when i'm watching livetv
[06:05:00] a-dub: the x server appears to be using a lot of cpu
[06:05:00] ZeroDiv: never mind.. it seems my problem is with apache
[06:05:00] a-dub: what is the generally accepted best video card for use with myth?
[06:05:00] a-dub: ie: what do the developers have
[06:06:00] SlicerDicer-: errm a-dub what do you mean?
[06:06:00] kikisli: I bet a 350 would be good for video output
[06:06:00] SlicerDicer-: everybody uses differnet stuff heh I mean some use nvidia for tv output some use pvr-350
[06:06:00] SlicerDicer-: I use a pvr-350 myself
[06:06:00] SlicerDicer-: that thing absolutely rawks
[06:06:00] a-dub: i have a pvr 500 for a tuner card
[06:07:00] a-dub: hmm
[06:07:00] SlicerDicer-: well a-dub if you want to knock down the cpu usage then use hardware out like the pvr350 I am not using the hardware out anymore myself though
[06:07:00] SlicerDicer-: just cause of the way I am doing things its not a advantage :/
[06:07:00] SlicerDicer-: games etc that I am going to run on there hehe
[06:08:00] kikisli: yeah, that's the problem with the 350
[06:08:00] a-dub: what do you use for a video card?
[06:08:00] SlicerDicer-: 4800SE
[06:08:00] topping: pvr-500 is totally kickin
[06:08:00] a-dub: is it smooth for livetv?
[06:08:00] SlicerDicer-: a-dub: well of course but I mean I have a system that is way way overkill for myth heh
[06:09:00] kikisli: so does a-dub
[06:09:00] SlicerDicer-: well then I have no idea
[06:09:00] a-dub: i have an ati all in wonder tho
[06:09:00] SlicerDicer-: how much cpu usage are we talking about here a-dub I will compare it to mine
[06:09:00] a-dub: i'm contemplating swapping it out for something else
[06:09:00] a-dub: i think it might be the problem
[06:10:00] SlicerDicer-: I run a 3500+ just a step up from the 3200+
[06:10:00] a-dub: system load hovers around 2 when livetv is on
[06:10:00] SlicerDicer-: 2%
[06:10:00] a-dub: xorg is usually at the top of the list
[06:10:00] kikisli: one day i'll have a stable myth box that uses firewire input and can play stepmania
[06:10:00] a-dub: no 2.00
[06:11:00] kikisli: that's still 2
[06:11:00] a-dub: no system load, not cpu usage %
[06:11:00] a-dub: hold on
[06:11:00] kikisli: oh
[06:12:00] a-dub: 0983 root 15 0 160m 28m 15m S 27.6 2.8 2:39.10 Xorg
[06:12:00] a-dub: it's 50% idle
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[06:13:00] SlicerDicer-: 50%?
[06:13:00] kikisli: then it's not cpu bound
[06:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know a-dub thats kinda crazy
[06:14:00] a-dub: what do you mean?
[06:14:00] kikisli: if you do decide to get an nvidia card, watch out cause the 6000 and 7000 don't do the xvmc. stick with the 4000 and 5000 series
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[06:14:00] SlicerDicer-: what?
[06:14:00] SlicerDicer-: why not?
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[06:15:00] kikisli: why don't they do xvmc? i dunno
[06:16:00] a-dub: oh
[06:16:00] a-dub: from what i read
[06:16:00] kikisli: ok, i'm lying i guess
[06:16:00] a-dub: it's ati being weird about intellectual property
[06:16:00] kikisli: they do xvmc, but not the chroma keying
[06:16:00] kikisli: sorry
[06:16:00] kikisli: spreading misinformation
[06:18:00] r00fus: i just switched from a 350 to nvidia 5200
[06:18:00] r00fus: as we speak
[06:18:00] r00fus: it is a downgrade in quality though
[06:19:00] a-dub: really?
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[06:19:00] r00fus: i thin
[06:19:00] r00fus: it could be that the shit was recorded at such a low setting though
[06:19:00] r00fus: i will have to adjust my capture settings
[06:19:00] thechris: oh this reminds me
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[06:19:00] r00fus: and see how much different it is
[06:20:00] thechris: my dad has a pvr350. the tuner sucks
[06:20:00] r00fus: but the good news, is i just about have my new mythbox complete
[06:20:00] r00fus: i dont use the tuner of the 350, just the capture
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[06:20:00] thechris: to show this, he turned to channel3. then turned on a VCR attached to the line input of the 350.
[06:20:00] thechris: the $20 vcr owned the $120 pvr350
[06:21:00] SlicerDicer-: thechris: how so?
[06:21:00] thechris: SlicerDicer-: the picture was much better if the TV was detuned and decoded in the VCR then sent over composite to the pvr350
[06:22:00] kikisli: i'd make sure you test the 350 with the same signal the vcr was getting at the time
[06:22:00] SlicerDicer-: dunno why it looks so bad for you
[06:22:00] thechris: SlicerDicer-: vs just using the PVR350's tuner
[06:22:00] SlicerDicer-: the image quality looks great on mine
[06:22:00] thechris: all TV tuners seem to have this same problem
[06:23:00] SlicerDicer-: thechris: I use svideo input from my cablebox then change the channel via dct-channel
[06:23:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: digital cable?
[06:23:00] SlicerDicer-: yep
[06:23:00] kikisli: don't like the firewire?
[06:23:00] SlicerDicer-: errrm?
[06:23:00] thechris: SlicerDicer-: hmm, not an option, the PVR is away from the DC box
[06:23:00] SlicerDicer-: thats on the HDTV box heh
[06:24:00] SlicerDicer-: and with firewire aint it software encode?
[06:24:00] kikisli: no, sends an mpeg stream
[06:24:00] SlicerDicer-: son of a bitch
[06:24:00] thechris: i need to improve the quality of the pvr350's tuner
[06:24:00] ** SlicerDicer- throws a chair like steve ballmer **
[06:24:00] SlicerDicer-: ok kikisli I am getting the HDTV box
[06:24:00] kikisli: but anything you don't get from analog cable is most likely encrypted so you can't get that
[06:24:00] thechris: to at least the quality of an old and cheap VCR
[06:24:00] a-dub: i have a dct-2000
[06:25:00] a-dub: it doesn't have svideo out
[06:25:00] ** SlicerDicer- throws the chair again like steve ballmer **
[06:25:00] SlicerDicer-: a-dub: you have to request it
[06:25:00] SlicerDicer-: a-dub: use svideo out and control it via rs232
[06:25:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: no, don't worry about it if you got a working system. the way it works is it just encodes the analog stream and sends it over the firewire
[06:25:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: I want it so I can have more than 1 tuner!
[06:25:00] a-dub: has anyone been able to get video over firewire
[06:26:00] a-dub: from an hdtv cablebox
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[06:26:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: I can record local channels in digital HD, though, so that's a plus, too
[06:26:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: well this box can watch HDTV so I will for sure do it
[06:26:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: mind if I throw a chair again? ;-)
[06:26:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: fine
[06:27:00] SlicerDicer-: fricken hell I could have been recording Lost in HDTV for the past year now
[06:27:00] SlicerDicer-: ARGH!
[06:27:00] kikisli: heh
[06:27:00] kikisli: but firewire is also screwed up with myth
[06:28:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh?
[06:28:00] kikisli: get mpeg artifacts every few seconds http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1356
[06:28:00] kikisli: i'm trying the patch in that bug once myth compiles... it takes an hour
[06:29:00] kikisli: i don't have a "working" box still
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh ok kikisli
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: how many input streams could I create?
[06:30:00] kikisli: i've gone through 3 different computers, a pvr-250, 3 video cards, and many many hours configuring everything
[06:30:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: with the firewire, as many as you have cable boxes
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: wow
[06:30:00] kikisli: and firewire cables
[06:30:00] SlicerDicer-: thats fricken awesome
[06:31:00] kikisli: but again, no digital cable channels
[06:31:00] a-dub: really
[06:31:00] SlicerDicer-: the higher channels dont work?
[06:31:00] kikisli: no
[06:31:00] a-dub: you can't capture digital cable?
[06:31:00] SlicerDicer-: even if I change the channel manually?
[06:31:00] a-dub: that's lame
[06:32:00] kikisli: no, they send 5c encryption on those, but that may not be everywhere. just certain cable providers
[06:32:00] a-dub: hmm
[06:32:00] SlicerDicer-: what provider you have kikisli?
[06:32:00] a-dub: maybe we'll just ask for a tuner with s-video out
[06:32:00] kikisli: and btw, this is only with the DC-6200 cable box and one other... can't recall, so the cable company has to do that
[06:32:00] kikisli: i'm on comcast in utah
[06:32:00] SlicerDicer-: cause I was under the impression that the FCC banned them from encrypting like that
[06:32:00] kikisli: they stopped them from encrypting the same channels you can get over analog
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I thought it was all
[06:33:00] kikisli: i thought that, too, but everything i read sounds like it's just the analog stuff
[06:33:00] kikisli: i haven't been able to find anything besides that
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: thats really fricken lame
[06:33:00] kikisli: sounds anti-fair use to me
[06:33:00] SlicerDicer-: aye
[06:34:00] alc6379: anybody here using a PVR-150 with the latest version of MythTV have issues with changing channels?
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[06:38:00] alc6379: anyone using a PVR-150 at all?
[06:39:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: can you watch discovery HD?
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: I wonder if its a utah only thing ;-)
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: you know they dont like the pr0n on HBO and crap that is HD
[06:42:00] kikisli: no discovery
[06:42:00] SlicerDicer-: shit
[06:43:00] SlicerDicer-: what the hell!!!!
[06:43:00] kikisli: just tried the patch and i still get mpeg artifaccts :(
[06:43:00] SlicerDicer-: As of April 1st, 2004 it has been required that all cable companies in the United States be able to provide customers, upon request, with a High Definition set-top box with IEEE 1394 (FireWire) connectivity (e-CFR Part 76.640 Section 4 Subsection i).
[06:43:00] SlicerDicer-: maybe you have to request it?
[06:44:00] SlicerDicer-: to be unencrypted
[06:44:00] kikisli: i have a high definition set-top box with IEEE 1394
[06:44:00] kikisli: i don't see unencrypted in that
[06:44:00] kikisli: we lose
[06:44:00] SlicerDicer-: I will read the pdf
[06:45:00] kikisli: oh no, iron chef is on
[06:45:00] kikisli: i'm not around anymore
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[06:50:00] r00fus: what is the best way to mirror a drive from one linux box to another
[06:51:00] r00fus: i want to mirror my full /video dir from my old box
[06:51:00] r00fus: to my new mythbox
[06:55:00] bobbyz: I've compiled mythtv with jack support, but I don't see where in the mythtv program to actually connect it to jack
[06:57:00] kikisli: bobbyz: it's probably got some cryptic setup like the alsa setup was
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[06:58:00] bobbyz: I hope not
[06:58:00] kikisli: r00fus: you want realtime mirroring or just to copy the stuff?
[06:59:00] kikisli: bobbyz: try just changing the device from /dev/dsp to jack or jackd i would suggest
[06:59:00] bobbyz: alright, I'll give that a shot
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[07:02:00] bobbyz: nope, no good there, but that was a nice idea  :)
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[07:03:00] r00fus: kikisli: just to copy
[07:03:00] r00fus: right now i screwed up and reformmated the new /video dir
[07:03:00] r00fus: but i still have the old hd
[07:04:00] r00fus: so just want to copy it all
[07:04:00] r00fus: i think i have it set up with nfs
[07:04:00] r00fus: but the old machine is denying access
[07:04:00] r00fus: i just want it to be open as possible for now, not concerned with security as both are behind a firewall
[07:07:00] r00fus: mount: 192.168.1.102:/video failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
[07:09:00] r00fus: do i need to specify a password somewhere?
[07:09:00] r00fus: in fstab?
[07:11:00] kikisli: if you already have it in /etc/exports, make sure it has the norootsquash option
[07:11:00] kikisli: if it's owned by root i guess
[07:12:00] r00fus: this is my /etc/exports:
[07:12:00] r00fus: video *(ro,insecure,all_squash)
[07:12:00] r00fus: and this is my fstab on the other machine
[07:12:00] kikisli: /video ?
[07:12:00] r00fus: 192.168.1.102:/video /videobackup nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,h
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[07:13:00] r00fus: ard,intr,nfsvers=3
[07:13:00] kikisli: well, my kernel is hosed again. i have to reboot. can't even get a console to run
[07:13:00] r00fus: i want to mount the /video dir from the old machine into the /videobackup mountpoint on the new one
[07:13:00] kikisli: i dunno, man
[07:13:00] r00fus: and it keeps saying permission denied
[07:13:00] kikisli: you can try tarring and then scp it over
[07:13:00] r00fus: i cant do that
[07:14:00] r00fus: the dir is about 100 gigs
[07:14:00] r00fus: and i have next to no free room available
[07:14:00] kikisli: yeah, no good
[07:14:00] SlicerDicer-: kikisli: I dunno it sounds like that FCC ruling makes it to where you can request them to unlock it
[07:14:00] SlicerDicer-: it does not specify analog or digital
[07:14:00] SlicerDicer-: it just says functional
[07:14:00] SlicerDicer-: so not being specified means "across the board" I think
[07:14:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: i tried that route, too. comcast said "We aren't going to do that, and you can call the FCC on us if you want."
[07:15:00] kikisli: so i went looking for some proof and only got that they have to enable the port
[07:15:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh mchou sent me at comcast I will do it again :)
[07:15:00] kikisli: ?
[07:16:00] SlicerDicer-: about the RS232 port being unlocked hehe
[07:16:00] kikisli: r00fus: external usb enclosure or put the drives both in the same box i'd say, then
[07:17:00] kikisli: SlicerDicer-: i'll ask you later what comes out of that, then. thanks.
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[07:18:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
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[07:29:00] r00fus: ok, i mounted the new drive on the old one
[07:29:00] r00fus: so i want to completely copy the contents of /video into /videonew
[07:29:00] r00fus: . /videonew is the /video dir on the new box
[07:30:00] r00fus: so what would be the easiest way to do this?
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[07:44:00] r00fus: well i decided to make a tar archive on the nfs share
[07:44:00] r00fus: hopefully that will work
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[07:46:00] djohnson: Hey, anyone have some pointers on how to add mythbackend as a service to startup?
[07:46:00] djohnson: SUSE 10
[07:47:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody have any experience with LIRC seeming to lag?
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[07:59:00] Calroth: lirc always seems fine to me
[07:59:00] Calroth: using a homebrew serial receiver
[08:00:00] Cardoe: well new MythTV ebuild..
[08:00:00] Cardoe: and I'm off to bed
[08:03:00] Calroth: i only just finished building the last one :-p
[08:03:00] Calroth: thanks anyway :-)
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[08:15:00] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: thanks :)
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[08:16:00] Cardoe: this one fixes LiveTV for sure
[08:16:00] Cardoe: OSS demands by MythTV when ALSA only is fine.
[08:16:00] Cardoe: and some other fun
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[08:22:00] thechris: Cardoe: when i last built 0.19 in gentoo with the ebuild, it didn't put the mythtv user in any groups, and it didn't log anything about the user (i guess with ewarn). any way to get a message about this in future ebuilds?
[08:22:00] Cardoe: thechris: didn't we talk about this before?
[08:23:00] thechris: Cardoe: yes, i just wanted to remind you
[08:24:00] Cardoe: And I told you I made another release since then
[08:24:00] Spunx: lol
[08:24:00] Spunx: he is your manager
[08:24:00] Cardoe: and then I just made another one
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[08:25:00] Cardoe: and I told you that when you installed it, it was the original ebuild
[08:25:00] Cardoe: that was masked for testing
[08:25:00] Cardoe: and there was a typo in it
[08:25:00] Cardoe: Which was fixed.
[08:26:00] Cardoe: Before you rail on me, I recommend you test or visually look at the newest ebuilds.
[08:26:00] thechris: ok, in that case, thanks. (i must have gotten the old ebuild right after you updated things)
[08:27:00] thechris: i wasn't meaning to rail on you.
[08:27:00] Cardoe: If you need to track an issue, the correct place would be bugzilla.
[08:28:00] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: I just modified the ebuild heh
[08:28:00] SlicerDicer-: no worries mate I know things go bad from time to time
[08:28:00] Cardoe: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123067
[08:29:00] Spunx: woo woo!
[08:29:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody aware of mythstreamtv works with 0.19?
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[08:45:00] sphery: SlicerDicer-: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/183849#183849
[08:47:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh yes
[08:47:00] SlicerDicer-: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /122304.html
[08:47:00] SlicerDicer-: thats what I was reading here :)
[08:53:00] Dibblah_: Cardoe: Are you trying to piss off Isaac? ;)
[08:54:00] Dibblah_: ... Disabling ELF support on a linux system makes just about as much sense as disabling OSS... It has no cost whatsoever.
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[09:11:00] SlicerDicer-: thehailo: we kinda hjacked that channel pretty bad haha
[09:11:00] thehailo: there we go
[09:12:00] SlicerDicer-: I have been barked at before though for doing it there ;-)
[09:12:00] thehailo: lol, well, fixed now, good thinking though, like the gentoo guys don't wanna abuse their stuff
[09:12:00] thehailo: one of my biggest loves with mythtv is I can interface with it over my network, so while my nokia 770 doesn't have IR, meaning it'd be useless for most DVR's...it works perfect with my mythbox
[09:13:00] SlicerDicer-: so tell me how are you going to play video on your phone?
[09:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I got a 6620
[09:13:00] thehailo: ah, not a phone, linux based PDA
[09:13:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh ok
[09:13:00] SlicerDicer-: derr yeah that thing
[09:13:00] thehailo: very cool, comes outta the box able to play a ton of video/audio formats
[09:13:00] thehailo: bbeattuiful screen
[09:13:00] SlicerDicer-: 800x600 right?
[09:14:00] thehailo: hm double checking, don't think it's that high but it's good size
[09:14:00] SlicerDicer-: I think it is that high
[09:14:00] SlicerDicer-: not sure
[09:14:00] thehailo: 800x480
[09:14:00] SlicerDicer-: do you use nuvexport for doing it?
[09:14:00] SlicerDicer-: the encoding anyway
[09:14:00] thehailo: screen's like 4 by 3
[09:14:00] thehailo: so far I haven't set that up
[09:14:00] thehailo: jut got the myth box setup and just got the nokia 770
[09:16:00] braniff: what kind of bandwidth do you get with your 770 ?
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[09:16:00] thehailo: it's actually b/g, solid 54Mbps connection around my apt., haven't benchmarked actual throughput however
[09:17:00] tetra: thehailo: are you having buffer input problems?
[09:17:00] thehailo: tetra with the 770?
[09:17:00] tetra: which 770?
[09:18:00] fatmatt: hmm, anyone know how I find out what the output/(size&color settings) of my video card is in linux?
[09:18:00] thehailo: only issue I've had with the 770 is opera crashing and resetting the unit, very annoying so I use the browser off the maemo site, only issue with that is it doesn't have flash
[09:18:00] tetra: fatmatt: if it's nvidia, nvidia-settings
[09:18:00] tetra: opera sucks
[09:18:00] braniff: thehailo, sweet
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[09:19:00] ** braniff wants a phone mythfronted... **
[09:19:00] fatmatt: tetra: is that a gui prog?
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[09:19:00] tetra: thehailo: opera sucks
[09:19:00] tetra: seems like I needed to repeat ()
[09:19:00] thehailo: tetra never used it on my desktop, I'd kill for a firefox port for the 770, that and kismet would finish it off, also I can't say why nokia didn't include a ogg/theora reader...open source, wouldn't be hard to include
[09:20:00] thehailo: but minor issues, overall it's awesome
[09:20:00] tetra: fatmatt: that (nvidia-settings) is an x interface
[09:20:00] Juski: why would nokia care about open source?
[09:20:00] tetra: thehailo: wtf do you mean, 770?
[09:20:00] fatmatt: bugger, no keyboard/mouse on the frontend, need something I can run via ssh
[09:20:00] thehailo: Juski because the 770 is linux based and they started a huge dev site for it?
[09:20:00] Juski: ah
[09:20:00] thehailo: google the nokia 770
[09:20:00] tetra: pfft. no way.
[09:21:00] tetra: cell phones suck
[09:21:00] thehailo: http://www.maemo.org/ is the dev site, lots of toys for it already
[09:21:00] thehailo: not a phone, PDAish at best, "internet tablet" is what nokia calls it
[09:21:00] Juski: yikes. I've not got pockets big enough for that one
[09:21:00] tetra: anything smaller than a 17" screen is pants
[09:21:00] Juski: (in either respect)
[09:21:00] otwin: tetra: what doesn't suck?
[09:21:00] braniff: thehailo, but can you make calls with it?
[09:21:00] thehailo: but it's got a beauitul high rez screem does pdf's, b/g wireless, etc., love it
[09:21:00] tetra: rubbish
[09:21:00] Juski: tetra: you suck
[09:21:00] tetra: otwin: a REAL PC :)
[09:21:00] SlicerDicer-: tetra: not the htc fones
[09:21:00] thehailo: braniff nope, I didn't want a phone because it'd be locked intoa carrier for for $300 I'm keeping this for awhile
[09:22:00] otwin: hmm
[09:22:00] ** braniff thinks maybe you could use skype with it... **
[09:22:00] thehailo: braniff though it'll do VOIP this summer, but the biggest use I get outta it is music/movies/reading PDF's at school between classes
[09:22:00] tetra: damn, and I thought *I* had a real question about mythtv, seems i'm being flooded off with irrelevant crap
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[09:22:00] Juski: what happened to phones you make & receive phone calls with, that last for weeks on one battery charge, hmm? ;-)
[09:22:00] Ediehow: i have a q, two conflicting recordings, i want one to record and the other not, is 1 higher priority than 0?
[09:23:00] tetra: Juski: nice wish that never happened
[09:23:00] tetra: Juski: the battery life never reached 9 days
[09:23:00] Juski: Ediehow: as mentioned in mythtv's FM, 1 is higher than 0, 2 is higher than 1.. pretty logical
[09:23:00] ilan: thehailo: ive been drooling over the 770 for a while... havnet had a chance to see it in person though
[09:23:00] ilan: just ictures / reviews online
[09:23:00] Ediehow: as in 5th place is better than 1st place in a race?:)
[09:24:00] Juski: tetra: ouch. my crappy old mono nokia 1100 will do for me.
[09:24:00] thehailo: ilan it's amazing in person, smaller than you'll think ahd the screen is more impressive, Slicer just showed me some good streaming stuff for myth, def have to see how well I could stream from my mythbox so say school
[09:24:00] Juski: Ediehow: no, as in 1 is a higher number than 0 (etc)
[09:24:00] tetra: Juski: my cell phone is for making phone calls ;-)
[09:24:00] tetra: Juski: er, so is my notebook
[09:25:00] braniff: phones for phone calls are so passe
[09:25:00] Juski: tetra: what did you mean by bufferring problems?
[09:25:00] tetra: phones for anything else are rubbish
[09:25:00] Juski: phones for phone calls so don't make enough money for the networks
[09:25:00] tetra: phones are not computers
[09:25:00] braniff: if it won't capture video then i don't need it
[09:25:00] ilan: thehailo: i went by compusa a few times hoping to catch a look at it... but they didnt have any available... and for $300 id like to see it and paly with it before i buy it :)
[09:26:00] tetra: Juski: buffering problems, when i joined, I used to have buffering problems with 0.18 versions of mythfrontend
[09:26:00] Juski: tetra: sorted now?
[09:26:00] tetra: Juski: well, with a properly compiled kernel/application for P4, yes
[09:26:00] Juski: ah cool
[09:27:00] tetra: Juski: not your crappy i586 debian/fedora BS
[09:27:00] tetra: your/average
[09:27:00] tetra: (not blaming you or anyone)
[09:27:00] Juski: generic kernels work for lots of people, but YMMV
[09:28:00] tetra: i586 kernel is rubbish for running mythfrontend
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[09:28:00] tetra: i should know
[09:28:00] Juski: not gonna argue with that. it's why I said YMMV
[09:28:00] thehailo: I'm actually using the gentoo hardened kernel for my myth box, since it doubles SFTP/myth, kinda amazed it performs so well in a high-security setup
[09:28:00] cosmo-: thehailo: 770 media player uses dsp to decompress video and the dsp stuff is closed source -> poor video performance with for example mplayer
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[09:29:00] cosmo-: i'd like to see a some kind of mythfrontend for 770 but the cpu speed might be a very big issue here
[09:29:00] tetra: Juski: no argument, EXCEPT, most linux distributions ship kernels for i586, even today.
[09:29:00] Juski: cosmo-: a lot of DSP manufacturers are making users of their chips sign big NDAs to keep it all in the family, bad for developers
[09:30:00] tetra: cosmo-: duh, a P3 1-Ghz has issues.
[09:30:00] thehailo: cosmo- haven't had any issues here with the exception of no theora support
[09:30:00] Gumby: gah, I am getting super frustrated here. I have moved my bttv card into the same box as my pvr250 and I cant get any sound to record. I can get sound when viewing without timeshifting (ie: in tvtime) but no audio gets recorded using mythtv. Anyone have any ideas what I might check
[09:31:00] Juski: Gumby: you've done the usual linking of the TV audio cable into your soundcard line input?
[09:31:00] tetra: Gumby: stick with pvr cards and throw bttv in trash
[09:31:00] Gumby: Juski: yes, which is how I am getting audio within tvtime
[09:31:00] cosmo-: it might be possible to play video from mythtv if it is recompressed with low bitrate on the fly.. but that would require a lot of work
[09:31:00] Juski: ... and selected the recording input of your soundcard to the input tv audio is plugged into, Gumby?
[09:31:00] Gumby: tetra: the card works great in another box.
[09:31:00] tetra: Gumby: i'm about to buy two or twelve more pvr150mce cards
[09:32:00] Juski: 1GHz CPUs can play SDTV in mpeg2, dvix, xvid no problem
[09:32:00] Gumby: tetra: thats nice, some of us dont have the funds to do that
[09:32:00] tetra: Juski: hdtv? (wtf is sdtv?  ;))
[09:32:00] Juski: careful of new motherboards with like only 3 pci slots :-(
[09:32:00] tetra: Gumby: pvr150mce is as cheap as it gets!
[09:33:00] Juski: tetra: no, 1GHz won't cut it for HDTV unless you have a dedicated mpeg decoder
[09:33:00] Juski: anyway – tis time to go to work
[09:33:00] Gumby: tetra: sometimes it doesnt matter how cheap something is. Sometimes people need to get working what they already have
[09:33:00] tetra: Juski: 1-GHz won't cut it for standard analog (and I do mean, STANDARD)
[09:33:00] Juski: tetra: BS
[09:33:00] Gumby: Juski: I have the sound set to /dev/dsp which is the only card I have setup.
[09:34:00] Juski: I can play back mpeg2 recordings no problem on an 800mhz athlon
[09:34:00] tetra: Juski: 3 PCI slots, that's what i meant when I said I was going to get two or twelve more ;)
[09:34:00] Juski: Gumby: make sure your soundcard is set to record from the input your TV audio is plugged into
[09:34:00] Juski: heh
[09:34:00] Juski: laters folks
[09:34:00] Gumby: Juski: I have done so in alsamixer
[09:34:00] Gumby: if I didnt, I'd have no audio in tvtime either
[09:35:00] tetra: tv tuners should record through the video-in not the sound card
[09:35:00] Gumby: tetra: get over it, some dont.
[09:35:00] tetra: Gumby: upgrade
[09:35:00] Gumby: if I had a spare $100 I would. you dont seem to get it
[09:35:00] tetra: spend some of your allowance ;)
[09:36:00] Gumby: sometimes there are more important things to spend money on than pc's believe it or not
[09:36:00] Gumby: and when on a tight budget, sometimes there isnt any extra to spend on anything extra
[09:36:00] Gumby: if you cant understand that then maybe you should get that silver spoon out of your mouth
[09:36:00] braniff: could always sell a kidney
[09:37:00] tetra: aw
[09:37:00] tetra: more important things
[09:37:00] tetra: like spending infinite amounts of time trying to make a useless POS work
[09:37:00] Gumby: lol, funny that it works just fine in another box.
[09:37:00] tetra: how valuable
[09:38:00] tetra: well, then, USE it in another box.
[09:38:00] tetra: as if you don't have room for another box
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[09:38:00] Gumby: man, what the fuck is wrong with asking for a little help getting something to work that can indeed work and work fairly well. why does everyone always try and suggest something else instead of dealing with the question that was asked in the first place
[09:39:00] tetra: nothing wrong with asking for help
[09:39:00] tetra: but nobody seems to have any solutions, while my little lines aren't blocking anybody from helping
[09:39:00] tetra: and i do have good suggestions
[09:39:00] Gumby: seriously, the card works just fine for my needs. I have plenty of cpu power to run it.
[09:39:00] tetra: like get a better card
[09:39:00] Gumby: not when you've already been told its not an option
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[09:40:00] tetra: you believing it isn't an option IS one of the problems
[09:40:00] Gumby: lol, so aparantly you know my bank account and bills better than I do now?
[09:40:00] tetra: try harder
[09:41:00] ** Gumby shakes his head **
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[09:41:00] Gumby: wanna pay my student loans for me? how about fund my trip to australia to go to the world ultimate championships this year? got a spare $15 grand to give me?
[09:42:00] tetra: the gov can pay your student loans, get extensions
[09:42:00] Gumby: lol
[09:42:00] Gumby: the govt doesnt pay the loans for you
[09:42:00] tetra: get grants then
[09:42:00] tetra: better yet
[09:42:00] Gumby: dude, I am done school.
[09:42:00] Gumby: its time to pay the loans off
[09:42:00] tetra: take some classes that really matter
[09:42:00] Gumby: cause you know what I have and havnt taken?
[09:43:00] Gumby: wow, you must be psychic or something
[09:43:00] tetra: i've been through it
[09:43:00] tetra: i've massaged the system too
[09:43:00] Gumby: I've already been through it also. I am at the point where the money HAS to be paid back.
[09:43:00] tetra: still paying it off, too
[09:44:00] tetra: so, your college didn't pay off??
[09:44:00] Gumby: either way, its up to me whether I want to get a new card or not. Not you. So your suggestion of getting a better card is really a moot point.
[09:44:00] Gumby: nope, not at all.
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[09:45:00] milkyflava: hello
[09:45:00] Gumby: I'm doing the same thing I am now as I was before I went. hehe
[09:45:00] tetra: well, remember this
[09:45:00] milkyflava: anyone using an ati remote wonder with fedora and myth?
[09:45:00] Gumby: milkyflava: indeed I am
[09:45:00] Gumby: having issues with the key bindings
[09:45:00] Gumby: hehe
[09:45:00] milkyflava: what module needs to be loaded, ati_remote or lirc_usb
[09:46:00] tetra: where was it
[09:46:00] Gumby: tetra: FYI, IVe just gotten the card to work during this conversation
[09:46:00] Gumby: milkyflava: ati_remote
[09:46:00] tetra: Gumby: that's nice
[09:46:00] Gumby: tetra: at a crappy private college
[09:46:00] tetra: Gumby: how many hours did you waste getting it to work? :)
[09:46:00] milkyflava: Gumby: you don't mind me asking you questions do you?
[09:46:00] Gumby: tetra: about 15 minutes
[09:46:00] Gumby: milkyflava: not at all
[09:46:00] tetra: Gumby: eh, any college is crappy
[09:46:00] johnp_: milkyflava, you could use xmodmap etc to get the keys to match up.
[09:46:00] milkyflava: thanks, im going nuts
[09:46:00] Gumby: I am quite jaded at the whole schol issue
[09:46:00] Gumby: school
[09:47:00] tetra: i read books that i downloading
[09:47:00] tetra: f school
[09:47:00] milkyflava: johnp_ tere are so many different ways to get this going that I am going in circles
[09:47:00] a-dub: undergrad is the new high school
[09:47:00] milkyflava: I have the lircd.conf file and my lircrc file
[09:47:00] tetra: wireless keyboards are where it is at
[09:47:00] milkyflava: but when I try to fire up lircd they don't work
[09:48:00] Gumby: milkyflava: I personally edited the ati_remote.c in the kernel sources and then ran make modules and then just replaced the original kernel mod with the new one that was created
[09:48:00] Gumby: wireless keyboards blow
[09:48:00] Gumby: who wants a wireless keyboard sitting on their coffee table... Not I
[09:48:00] tetra: the whole point of mythtv is to make tv more like a computer, not make a computer more like a tv
[09:48:00] johnp_: milkyflava, well this is what I did. load up ati_remote. then use xev and xmodmap to work out what the keys are and what you want them to be , edit an appropriate xmodmap file
[09:48:00] tetra: computers are cool, tvs suck
[09:48:00] Gumby: tetra: I totally disagree
[09:49:00] Gumby: it should be controlled as a TV and have entertainment system functions
[09:49:00] milkyflava: johnp_ I have never used xmodmap is it a steep learning curve or pretty straight forward?
[09:49:00] tetra: Gumby: sounds like you're a have-not
[09:49:00] Gumby: tetra: a have not?
[09:50:00] milkyflava: All this so my wife can watch "what not to wear" in the bedroom with the laptop...sheeesh!
[09:50:00] Gumby: I have what I need and what I want.
[09:50:00] Gumby: milkyflava: lol
[09:50:00] tetra: milkyflava: don't wear the laptop ;)
[09:50:00] milkyflava: lol
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[09:50:00] johnp_: milyflavor, seem to remember it was ok. not too bad. YMMV. Before you do all that make sure all the keys you need are generating events. otherwize you might have to do what Gumbu suggests.
[09:50:00] milkyflava: if I can't figure this out I might just be wearing it
[09:51:00] milkyflava: That was another problem, what do I use to see the key codes irrecord?
[09:51:00] Gumby: milkyflava: run xev
[09:51:00] Gumby: from console
[09:51:00] Gumby: from "a" console
[09:51:00] tetra: if you need a remote, your PC MONITOR is too far away
[09:51:00] Gumby: ewwww, pc monitors suck for viewing tv
[09:51:00] Gumby: not to mention 99% of them are too small
[09:52:00] tetra: Gumby: you just keep losing points with me
[09:52:00] Gumby: tetra: I could care less
[09:52:00] tetra: 21" +
[09:52:00] Gumby: who wants to watch tv on a 17,19,21" monitor
[09:52:00] tetra: high res
[09:52:00] tetra: higher than hdtv
[09:53:00] Gumby: most people dont have hdtv
[09:53:00] milkyflava: now thats cool
[09:53:00] tetra: put two nice 21" left to right and do 4096x1536
[09:53:00] milkyflava: I need the keycode numbers, correct?
[09:53:00] Gumby: milkyflava: depending on the version of the remote you have all keys may or may not work
[09:53:00] Gumby: lmao
[09:53:00] milkyflava: two don't work
[09:53:00] tetra: hdtv is overrrated
[09:54:00] Gumby: tetra: you plan on watching tv over spanned monitors?
[09:54:00] Gumby: thats horrid
[09:54:00] tetra: so ix 720x540 resolution
[09:54:00] sandos: a gap in the middle is... not nice :)
[09:54:00] sandos: better with 3 in a row then...
[09:54:00] tetra: Gumby: yeah when i have them outside of their shells :)
[09:55:00] tetra: sandos: outside of their shells (sorry to echo)
[09:55:00] Gumby: tetra: why bother. buy a nice tv for the price of two 21" monitors
[09:55:00] sandos: aha
[09:55:00] tetra: Gumby: $2000 vs. $2 :)
[09:55:00] tetra: Gumby: don't try to tell me about YOUR budget
[09:55:00] Gumby: $2 for two 21 monitors?
[09:55:00] tetra: indeed..
[09:55:00] Gumby: I'd like to shop where you do
[09:56:00] sandos: me too! ;)
[09:56:00] milkyflava: where would I place he .Xmodmap file? In .mythtv or just my users home directory that myth runs under?
[09:56:00] Gumby: if that price isnt available for everyone then you cant really quote it as a price.
[09:56:00] tetra: view web pages on a monitor like this with a tiny scratch, etc, it's annoying, but if you're just going to watch TV or something else menial
[09:57:00] milkyflava: oh crap!
[09:57:00] tetra: it beats the crap out of your regular lcd/plasma hdtv displays
[09:57:00] milkyflava: it can't be that easy!
[09:57:00] Gumby: milkyflava: the default keypress rate for ati remotes is horrid also. at least with the version I am using
[09:57:00] Gumby: not sure if that can be edited with xmodmap
[09:58:00] tetra: mount a monitor over your couch and over your bed, etc.  ;)
[09:58:00] milkyflava: every i see the rate for lirc it is set to 5
[09:58:00] Gumby: I'll just go over to the gf's and watch tv on her 56" tv
[09:58:00] tetra: even better than mirrors on the ceiling
[09:59:00] milkyflava: 56"???
[09:59:00] tetra: Gumby: 56" + mythtv? :)
[09:59:00] milkyflava: someones got a sugar momma
[09:59:00] Gumby: tetra: not yet. But its in the works
[09:59:00] Gumby: waiting on a video card to arrive in the mail
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[10:00:00] tetra: 56" 720x540 or ... 37" 4096x1536
[10:00:00] tetra: :D
[10:00:00] tetra: for $2
[10:01:00] Gumby: tetra: and what res does your tuner card output?
[10:01:00] Gumby: better yet, whats the input of the cable you have?
[10:01:00] tetra: less than the monitors, what res does your 56" tv output?  :)
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[10:02:00] Gumby: its not mine, I have no idea. but I can guarantee than your cable input doesnt go close to 4096x1536 so its pointless to have resolution that large as it doesnt get used when watching tv
[10:02:00] tetra: mine's better for DVDs (sorry, that's off-topic for mythtv)
[10:02:00] tetra: i know, dvd is even less
[10:03:00] Juski: upscaling DVDs is pretty academic. crap in, crap out ;)
[10:03:00] tetra: but it's just so crystal clear, and nicely widescreen
[10:04:00] Gumby: Juski: thought you went to work? hehe
[10:04:00] Juski: I did
[10:04:00] tetra: even a pair of $1 high res CRTs still uses less electricity than most HDTVs
[10:04:00] milkyflava: johnp_ is it really as easy as finding the keycode for the keyboard then mapping it to a keycode of a button on the remote?
[10:05:00] Gumby: tetra: I doubt anyone here at any given time other than you could find $1 CRT's
[10:05:00] Gumby: I could find free ones, but they wont work
[10:05:00] tetra: Gumby: I'll keep my secret then :)
[10:05:00] ** Juski chuckles **
[10:05:00] tetra: Gumby: ok, the $1 ones have some minor scratches on the glass
[10:05:00] tetra: Gumby: impossible to see while watching TV or movies
[10:05:00] Gumby: tetra: and from where might you be getting these?
[10:06:00] tetra: Gumby: *cough* uh some *cough* where
[10:06:00] Gumby: lol, I have no interest in pc monitors. I have two 17"'s that I never used and just gave two others away
[10:06:00] tetra: 17" is pants
[10:06:00] tetra: you can't give those away
[10:07:00] tetra: er
[10:07:00] ** Juski turns his BS filter on **
[10:07:00] Gumby: aparantly I just did
[10:07:00] tetra: you just gave two away, heh
[10:07:00] Gumby: Juski: no kidding.
[10:07:00] dtm: you guys are doing nothing but feeding a delighted, unrepentant troll who's banned from #mplayer
[10:07:00] tetra: well, i can't give them away, when I have 21" for sale aside them :)
[10:07:00] tetra: dtm: eat shit
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[10:07:00] Gumby: tetra: you are what I like to call a "one upper" kind of guy. you have always done one better or have one better than someone else
[10:07:00] dtm: sorry to tel ya.
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[10:08:00] Gumby: lol
[10:08:00] dtm: heh.
[10:08:00] dtm: see?
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[10:08:00] dtm: please dont talk to him
[10:08:00] Gumby: dtm: indeed
[10:08:00] dtm: he's a total narcissist
[10:08:00] Gumby: really? I couldnt tell. hehe
[10:08:00] dtm: ^_^
[10:08:00] Juski: can't feed what I can't see ;-)
[10:09:00] Gumby: well, I'm happy I got the card working.
[10:09:00] Gumby: I guess I stumbled on the right inputs in alsamixer
[10:10:00] johnp_: milkyflava, well it was for me. Gumby might be right about the key repeat rate though. (run xev tells you waht the keycode is in there)
[10:12:00] milkyflava: Thanks again
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[10:13:00] Gumby: sweet, I can sell off the parts in that other box now.
[10:13:00] milkyflava: Gumby, so you have the ati_remote module loaded and a lircd.conf in /etc and a lircrc file in the .myth directory?
[10:13:00] Gumby: milkyflava: nope you dont need lirc when using the ati_remote module
[10:14:00] milkyflava: Then how do you map the keys to myth functions?
[10:14:00] Gumby: in mythweb you can map the keys to functions
[10:15:00] Juski: in 0.19 you can map keys using mythcontrol too
[10:15:00] Gumby: or if you like you can edit the mysql db manually :)
[10:15:00] milkyflava: I don't like. :)
[10:15:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: did you get sorted out?
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: yeppers
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: going good
[10:16:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: \o/
[10:16:00] SlicerDicer-: took me a while but I got it done fas
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[10:18:00] fatmatt: Ahah! got it, xorg.conf was using the last card, set up as svideo, this one needs to be composite
[10:19:00] fatmatt: next, looks like I need to alter the way it interlaces/deinterlaces, fast movement has lines/wavy bits anyone?
[10:19:00] revenge_: fatmatt: composite is for translucency, not dual-output
[10:19:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: faster than I thought it would anyway
[10:20:00] Gumby: revenge_: I think he meant composite as in rca like, not translucency
[10:20:00] revenge_: Gumby: oh, not xcomposite
[10:20:00] Gumby: right
[10:20:00] Juski: fatmatt: you have some choices. find an interlaced video output mode that works, at the native resoultion of what you record, or deinterlace
[10:20:00] revenge_: sorry
[10:21:00] revenge_: no, actually
[10:21:00] revenge_: the difference between interlaced and composite is not the same
[10:21:00] fatmatt: Juski: would deinterlacing use excesive cpu time? I'm using a P$ 2ghtz
[10:22:00] Gumby: revenge_: yes, but if his video card has composite out and not svideo his xorg.conf needs to be changed
[10:22:00] Juski: fatmatt: not in my experience. I can deinterlace SDTV and have lots of CPU to spare on an EPIA 1GHz
[10:22:00] Gumby: revenge_: " Option "TVOutFormat" "composite""
[10:22:00] revenge_: Gumby: i don't know, i just use CRTs for playback
[10:22:00] fatmatt: Juski, that sounds like what I want to do then
[10:23:00] Gumby: revenge_: composite/s-video is a tv options
[10:23:00] Gumby: tv/tv-out
[10:23:00] Juski: composite / svideo is an option for tv outputs
[10:23:00] revenge_: Gumby: i have used TV at 800x600
[10:23:00] fatmatt: err, how do I set it up to deinterlace? is that a mythtv option?
[10:23:00] Juski: interlacing is a method for increasing the perceived resolution of TV
[10:23:00] Juski: fatmatt: utils / setup > setup > tv > tv playback ;)
[10:24:00] fatmatt: gotcha
[10:24:00] revenge_: Juski: interlacing, hence making the real 30 Hz appear to be 60 Hz
[10:24:00] Gumby: man, I am really not liking fedora for its native lack of packaged having to do with media. It seems fast and stable but adding a million repos to get a system how I lke it to function is a bit rediculous not to mention somewhat tedious
[10:24:00] revenge_: 60 Hz blur
[10:24:00] Juski: revenge_: wrong, but I'll let you continue the misinformation if it suits you
[10:25:00] dtm: Gumby: i have two, mostly one.
[10:25:00] revenge_: Juski: correct me if I'm wrong, i really don't have an ego
[10:25:00] fatmatt: Juski: any tips as the best to use for SDTV? bob/kernel etc?
[10:25:00] Gumby: dtm: I have like 5 now and I am still not finding all the packages I'd like
[10:26:00] dtm: Gumby: what are some of the harder ones?
[10:26:00] Gumby: java,flash,nicotine,
[10:26:00] Juski: interlacing is where you have 2 fields per frame of video. one field carries odd-numbered lines, and the other carried even numbered lines. It's a way of reducing the bandwidth needed to obtain a given resolution
[10:26:00] milkyflava: Thanks for all the help
[10:27:00] Juski: fatmatt: experiment with different methods & see which looks best for you
[10:27:00] revenge_: Juski: you just explained NTSC/PAL
[10:27:00] Juski: revenge_: no I think you'll find I just explained interlacing
[10:27:00] ** Juski ignores another troll **
[10:28:00] revenge_: Juski: and both NTSC/PAL use interlacing
[10:28:00] revenge_: wtf
[10:28:00] revenge_: run from reality
[10:29:00] Juski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlacing
[10:29:00] Juski: see "Interlacing as a data compression technique"
[10:29:00] revenge_: Hey JUSKI, what else would be causing the "jagged lines" they are complaining about? It's interlacing
[10:30:00] revenge_: nothing else would cause those jagged horizonal lines
[10:30:00] revenge_: recompession of a bogus method would make it more distinct
[10:31:00] ** otwin notices: revenge_ == tetra **
[10:31:00] dtm: Gumby: j2re comes from dag. flash has its own repository.
[10:31:00] dtm: Gumby: you can search all repositories at rpmfind.net
[10:32:00] dtm: fyi
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[10:32:00] revenge_: i like mplayer
[10:33:00] revenge_: and mythtv
[10:33:00] Gumby: dtm: yes, I know. but having multiple repos can greatly damage a system if one isnt carefull
[10:33:00] fatmatt: sweeet
[10:33:00] dtm: Gumby: dag's my main one
[10:33:00] fatmatt: thats something I've been meaning to do for about 2 years
[10:34:00] fatmatt: waf of 10
[10:35:00] revenge_: mythfrontend seems better than mythbackend
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[10:45:00] |oopingz: hello
[10:45:00] revenge_: hi
[10:45:00] |oopingz: i'd like to know if mythtv can now run more than one plugin at a time
[10:49:00] laga: no, not yet
[10:56:00] revenge_: good idea
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[11:00:00] Juski: lots of work to be done before that happens
[11:00:00] Juski: morning laga
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[11:07:00] nuxil: hi gents
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[11:09:00] nuxil: i have a issue.. if i set my volume to full in my kmixer before i run mythtv,, mythtv sets it bach to 75% anyone know why.. and how to fix it?
[11:12:00] Juski: mythtv can use its own internal volume control or not. that's set in the 'general' setup page in utils/setup > setup, IIRC
[11:16:00] nuxil: hmm i didint see anything there.. lemt me take a look again..
[11:20:00] revenge_: yeah, general volume, like 70%
[11:20:00] revenge_: i think 70% is the default for mythtv
[11:21:00] revenge_: you can set it to 100% by default, so that every time you launch mythfrontend it will start its volume at 100%
[11:21:00] revenge_: (not recommended)
[11:21:00] revenge_: try 30%
[11:21:00] revenge_: and [ and ] keys
[11:22:00] Gumby: didnt mythtranscode use to walk you through and ask you which recordings you wanted to transcode etc (command line)
[11:22:00] Gumby: or am I thinking something else?
[11:22:00] revenge_: mythdvd?
[11:23:00] Gumby: dont think so
[11:23:00] revenge_: maybe it was mythtranscode, i seem to remember something that didn't work like that
[11:24:00] Brov: installed msttcorefonts and x-ttcidfont-conf AND now my box is fscked!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[11:25:00] Brov: TV runs all jerky and DVD's run at double speed?
[11:25:00] revenge_: Brov: font SIZE?
[11:25:00] Brov: the box appears to work as before but the remote control is ULTRA sensitive and all timing is totally out its gone mad
[11:25:00] otwin: Gumby: you probably mean nuvexport
[11:25:00] Gumby: otwin: ah yes, thats what it was me thinks
[11:26:00] revenge_: otwin: real name, same problem
[11:27:00] revenge_: Brov: msttcorefonts and x-ttcidfont-conf aren't standard packages, don't know what your problem could be or what constitutes your need to use two dozen exclamation points
[11:28:00] Brov: I've spent like 6 weeks solid setting this box up. ALl I wanted was for the web browser to display fixed pitch fonts, so I follow some guide and NOW the whole system has gone mad!
[11:28:00] laga: Brov: deinstall those packages?
[11:28:00] Brov: how do i do that
[11:28:00] laga: what distro?
[11:28:00] Brov: knoppmyth so i guess knoppix
[11:29:00] Gumby: hrm, if I use mythtv's transcode feature it tells me "unknown codec"
[11:29:00] revenge_: knoppmyth is not a distro
[11:29:00] Brov: knoppix i said
[11:29:00] revenge_: you said knoppmyth
[11:29:00] laga: Brov: man apt-get. make sure it doesn't remove any vital components. when you installed these packages, did it remove/upgrade other stuff?
[11:29:00] laga: revenge_: knoppmyth is a distro.
[11:29:00] revenge_: laga: it's a livecd
[11:29:00] laga: revenge_: it is a distro.
[11:30:00] Gumby: revenge_: knoppmyth is a distro based on knoppix. it IS a distro
[11:30:00] ** laga calls bullshits **
[11:30:00] laga: knoppix also is a distro
[11:30:00] Gumby: just because its on a CD that boots and runs "live" doesnt mean its not a distro
[11:30:00] revenge_: a livecd is not a distro unless it installs to a hard drive and can be booted from a hard drive
[11:30:00] Gumby: hell, I guess the old debian gateway my friend ran off of a floppy wasnt a distro then either?
[11:30:00] Gumby: revenge_: uhh, WRONG!
[11:30:00] revenge_: Gumby: uhh, duhh!
[11:31:00] Dibblah_: What's the point of this argument? Please?
[11:31:00] Brov: I have the logs still in my putty shell i will get them and have a look at what it did
[11:31:00] laga: A Linux distribution 1 is a Unix-like operating system comprising the Linux kernel, the GNU operating system (or most of it), other assorted free software/open-source software, and possibly proprietary software. – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
[11:31:00] otwin: just ignore revenge_ a.k.a. tetra – he's a troll
[11:31:00] revenge_: oh well, priest preaching to the chior
[11:31:00] Gumby: man, what a tard. lmao
[11:31:00] laga: revenge_: PLONK
[11:31:00] revenge_: newbie
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[11:32:00] revenge_: livecds/dvds do not constitute distribution
[11:32:00] Gumby: lol
[11:32:00] Dibblah_: I think we should have a 'holding area' before you can get onto IRC. With a transition that's controlled by some sort of daemon.
[11:32:00] revenge_: Dibblah_: you aren't the only one
[11:33:00] Dibblah_: You could call it a troll bridge...
[11:33:00] revenge_: Dibblah_: Dancer had that too
[11:33:00] Gumby: lol, ignorance is bliss. the tard doesnt even know its him that is being talked about
[11:33:00] Dibblah_: ;)
[11:33:00] revenge_: Dibblah_: before freenode changed from dancer to wtf this is
[11:33:00] revenge_: Gumby: i've been using linux for 11 years
[11:33:00] Brov: anyway I said > 'knoppmyth so i guess knoppix' as in knoppix was the distro which is a debian live
[11:33:00] Gumby: revenge_: would you like a cookie?
[11:34:00] Gumby: Brov: just ignore him. opinions are like assholes....
[11:34:00] revenge_: Gumby: i think i know the difference between a live and a distro
[11:34:00] revenge_: Gumby: so, od you have anything useful to contribute?? I'll sit and wait for it
[11:34:00] revenge_: ...
[11:35:00] Gumby: revenge_: so I assume, by yor definition, that once knoppmyth is installed to the HDD it then is a distro.
[11:35:00] Gumby: ditto with knoppix
[11:35:00] revenge_: they both rarely work :)
[11:36:00] Gumby: uhh, yeah. anyhow
[11:36:00] revenge_: uh, yes
[11:36:00] Gumby: Brov: your problems seem a bit more than just fonts
[11:36:00] revenge_: want mythtv? don't waste time with knoppmyth
[11:37:00] Brov: no the system was 100% working everything was great, then today i wanted to get a fixed pitch font available so guitar tabs would line up properly in the web page and now....
[11:37:00] Gumby: *!*@c-69-244-43-245.hsd1.ar.comcast.net added to ignore list.
[11:37:00] revenge_: install gentoo
[11:37:00] revenge_: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
[11:37:00] revenge_: emerge mythtv
[11:37:00] revenge_: easy as pie
[11:38:00] Brov: look rvenge if you dont want to help me and just slate everything
[11:38:00] Gumby: Brov: so uninstall those fonts. If it is te fonts causing the problem (which I highly doubt) then removing them should fix the problem
[11:38:00] revenge_: Brov: when did I say I didn't want to help you?
[11:38:00] Gumby: Brov: you are best to just type /ignore *!*@c-69-244-43-245.hsd1.ar.comcast.net ALL
[11:38:00] revenge_: Brov: look at where the fonts are actually loaded
[11:38:00] Gumby: asuming it is XChat that you use
[11:39:00] revenge_: Gumby: i'm trying to help
[11:39:00] Brov: I HAVE installed knoppmyth, I am relatively new to linux , I have spent about 500 hours expermineting, learning and configuring everything and NOW cos of an install the system has gone mad, everything running out of time so naturally i am not feeling too happy at the moment
[11:39:00] Brov: i will re peruse the logs of what it did
[11:39:00] revenge_: Gumby: it's not like i'm scrolling your screen with a huge flood, so don't ignore me
[11:40:00] revenge_: Brov: linux is a life choice
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[11:40:00] Brov: first i did # apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:41:00] Brov: following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:41:00] Brov: cabextract msttcorefonts
[11:41:00] revenge_: aha
[11:41:00] revenge_: mstt == microshaft truetype
[11:41:00] revenge_: i'll look that up,
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[11:43:00] revenge_: Brov: or is it X.Org driver for imstt cards?
[11:44:00] Brov: well its using XF86Config-4 I'm not sure what driver its using
[11:44:00] revenge_: sorry, my nickname is so unforgiving, but dmt is so ass
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[11:44:00] Brov: BTW after that i then did # apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf defoma
[11:45:00] tetrawr: are you using xfree or xorg? you should be using xorg..
[11:45:00] Brov: i am using xfree
[11:45:00] tetrawr: and what was the original problem that prompted you to TRY to fix your fonts??
[11:46:00] Brov: when i loaded a guitar tab page in myth browser none of it lined up so i figured it needed a fixed pitch (courier) font
[11:46:00] tetrawr: no
[11:46:00] tetrawr: i doubt it
[11:46:00] tetrawr: what res?
[11:47:00] Brov: 720x576i
[11:47:00] tetrawr: (mythfrontend has a guitar tab plugin?)
[11:47:00] Brov: BUT EVERYTHING WAS total 100% rock solid before
[11:47:00] Gumby: Brov: what deps did that apt command install?
[11:47:00] tetrawr: there should be a log
[11:48:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i used debian excluseively before gentoo
[11:48:00] Brov: this page specifically in myth browser http://www.guitaretab.com/l/led-zeppelin/21671.htm
[11:49:00] Brov: nice and big on the telly so my gf could sit there with the aoustic guitar and strum away
[11:49:00] tetrawr: "telly" is low res usually
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[11:50:00] Gumby: by default apt doesnt log to its own logfile IIRC. you might check in /var/cache/apt/archives if you havnt used apt much other than to install those fonts
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[11:51:00] Brov: # '# apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf defoma' said #defoma is already the newest version, The following NEW packages will be installed: x-ttcidfont-conf
[11:51:00] Gumby: Brov: I am finding it hard to believe that the font package is to blame for any of your issues.
[11:51:00] Brov: I have the full transcript of the install cut n pasted from my putty
[11:51:00] tetrawr: erm, what do fonts have to do with mythtv?
[11:52:00] tetrawr: Brov: are your fonts insanely large or small?
[11:52:00] fenix: hello, i am having horizontal line flicker on tv out. picture quality is great and flicker only ocurs in setup section (frame border). I was thinking to overcome this by increasing line width but i can't find where to do that. any ideas?
[11:52:00] tetrawr: i.e. illegible?
[11:52:00] tetrawr: fenix: setup
[11:52:00] Brov: I PROMISE you 100% it was solid last night. I spent all day getting a script to work that swapped in/out XF86Config's one for tv one for CRT as twinview sux and myth needs to recalc gfx for diff screen res's anyway
[11:53:00] tetrawr: xorg > xfree
[11:53:00] tetrawr: </yawn> :)
[11:53:00] tetrawr: i don't really care, just mythtv
[11:53:00] fenix: tetrawr: you mean mythtv-setup or setup in frontend?
[11:53:00] Gumby: Brov: a simple 3 or 4 line script could have done that.
[11:53:00] tetrawr: fenix: same thing isn't it?
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[11:53:00] Brov: The problem is that the timing has gone all mad, everything APPEARS graphically the same BUT the remote is now ultra sensitive and dvd's play video at double speed
[11:53:00] Gumby: tetrawr: no, its not
[11:54:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i think it is here, i think
[11:54:00] tetrawr: Gumby: maybe
[11:54:00] Gumby: tetrawr: it shouldnt be
[11:54:00] Brov: TV is all jerky whereas before it was totally smooth
[11:54:00] fenix: tetrawr: mythtv-setup is separate program
[11:54:00] tetrawr: Gumby: my stuff usually works ok so I don't remember having to try to fix it much
[11:54:00] Gumby: tetrawr: mythtv-setup adds tuners, etc
[11:54:00] Gumby: its what is first run to setup myth
[11:55:00] tetrawr: Gumby: mythtv-setup doesn't configure resolution?
[11:55:00] Gumby: I believe thats where you go to set it yes.
[11:55:00] ** Gumby thinks **
[11:55:00] tetrawr: i can configure tuners within the main menu, though
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[11:55:00] tetrawr: i don't have to run any external commands but mythfrontend
[11:56:00] Gumby: tetrawr: uhhh, ok
[11:56:00] tetrawr: well
[11:56:00] Gumby: tetrawr: you can change what input is connected to your tuner within mythfrontend?
[11:56:00] tetrawr: unless i want to configure stuff for program download information
[11:56:00] tetrawr: my input only has one input
[11:56:00] tetrawr: no need to change
[11:57:00] tetrawr: mostly
[11:57:00] Gumby: your setup isnt everyones setup. I think that was established long ago
[11:57:00] tetrawr: sure
[11:57:00] tetrawr: absolutely
[11:57:00] tetrawr: while my setup is great someone must have something better
[11:58:00] tetrawr: there is ALWAYS something or someone better
[11:58:00] fenix: i can't find option to set line border width. i searched in Setup->Appearance
[11:58:00] Gumby: fenix: what exactly do you mean by "line border width"?
[11:59:00] tetrawr: Gumby: same as i thought
[11:59:00] tetrawr: Gumby: don't fret me, i believe if what works for you and you can get it to work, then let it work for you
[12:00:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i like 'free' if it works
[12:01:00] tetrawr: i try to make free work, more often than you might think:
[12:02:00] tetrawr: line border width seems to be gibberish
[12:02:00] tetrawr: explain
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[12:04:00] tetrawr: for a second i thought myth changed channels faster in 0.19ish than 0.18.. but something made me disagree
[12:05:00] tetrawr: any comments?
[12:06:00] tetrawr: Gumby: but yes, i have configurability within the options menu
[12:07:00] Gumby: there is some, but not all. you cant configure the tuners themselves within mythfrontend
[12:07:00] tetrawr: what can i not configure?
[12:07:00] Gumby: now can you setup your channel listings
[12:07:00] tetrawr: maybe I'm wrong
[12:07:00] tetrawr: i've been known to be wrong :)
[12:07:00] Gumby: you cant add/remove cards. you cant setup your cable sources
[12:08:00] Gumby: you cant assign cable sources to your card(s)
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[12:08:00] Freman: I don't know if this is a mythtv issue or a gentoo issue
[12:08:00] Gumby: run mythtv-setup and see what you can do in it and see that you cant do it in mythfrontend
[12:08:00] Freman: my mythbackend keeps dying
[12:08:00] Freman: about every 48 hours
[12:08:00] Freman: give or take
[12:08:00] Gumby: Freman: check the logs?
[12:08:00] Freman: v4l2: unable to handle these sampling parameters
[12:08:00] Freman: QSocketNotifier: invalid socket 16 and type 'Read', disabling...
[12:08:00] Freman: those are the last two lines
[12:09:00] Freman: can I make it more debug friendly?
[12:09:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i think you're right on those. I vaguely remember doing that BECAUSE i only needed to do it once, maybe once every three months because of the channel-listing-information-provider
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[12:09:00] Gumby: hrm.... well, I'd say its either a)v4l or b) sampling params. hehe
[12:09:00] Brov: how do i undo # apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf
[12:09:00] Gumby: tetrawr: unless you add/remove tuners and/or cable sources you shouldnt need to rerun mythtv-setup
[12:09:00] Brov: and undo # apt-get install msttcorefonts
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[12:09:00] Gumby: Brov: apt-get remove packagenames
[12:10:00] tetrawr: Brov: apt-get remove ...
[12:10:00] Brov: thx
[12:10:00] Freman: the v4l stuff works fine tho, I can watch and record for hours... and even now I can fire up the backend without changing anything and it just goes
[12:10:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i thought that was remove, wasn't 100% sure
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[12:10:00] Brov: why would these cause the timing of the system to go all mad its as if the realtime timers have gone crazy, dvds video+ audio running at double speed etc
[12:10:00] tetrawr: i didn't have to mess with v4l at all with my pvr150mce card
[12:11:00] Freman: I have logs going back ages about the v4l2 so I dowbt that's the problem... it's just being noisy...
[12:11:00] Freman: and I have other logs for socket handlers
[12:11:00] Freman: so I'm thinking I need to turn on debugging to get info
[12:11:00] tetrawr: pvrX50 hauppauge is 0wn
[12:13:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i didn't, did at first, a few times until I got it right
[12:13:00] Freman: I also have a problem with the scheduler locking up
[12:13:00] tetrawr: Gumby: I didn't need to change it except for major version changes
[12:14:00] tetrawr: Freman: interesting tell us about the scheduler lockups
[12:14:00] Freman: it just stops scheduling
[12:14:00] Freman: I have to use that kick_scheduler script to get it going
[12:14:00] Freman: I'm wondering if the two are related
[12:15:00] ** Freman contemplates going back to 0.18... or up to svn **
[12:15:00] tetrawr: i never heard of "kick_scheduler" what is that? Are you using the "M" key interface?
[12:15:00] tetrawr: i had problems with scheduling recordings recently
[12:15:00] Freman: kick_scheduler is a perl script that uses tvwish as a library to wake the scheduler up
[12:15:00] tetrawr: but i learned
[12:15:00] tetrawr: sounds like sql problem
[12:16:00] tetrawr: maybe i'm wrong
[12:16:00] Freman: I am using mysql5, but I'm not getting anything in the logs that would indicate a fault (apart from the v4l stuff)
[12:16:00] tetrawr: mythfrontend has different interfaces for toggling recording scheduling
[12:16:00] Freman: but the v4l stuff isnt' fatal
[12:16:00] tetrawr: i never had ANY v4l issues, yet, with my hardware
[12:17:00] tetrawr: (at least, as far as i know)
[12:17:00] Freman: my log is full of this: v4l2: unable to handle these sampling parameters
[12:17:00] Juski: Freman: maybe you're seeing the bug where mythbackend loses the mysql connection with mysql5
[12:17:00] Freman: i suspect that's where the strange audio problem is comming from
[12:17:00] Freman: Juski: do tell
[12:18:00] Gumby: Freman: have you googled that error?
[12:18:00] Freman: the v4l2... it's not fatal, only annoying – the other issues? I'm not getting errors
[12:18:00] Juski: Freman: all I know about it is that some people running mysql5 are having problems where the backend can't connect to the mysql server after a period of time. there are posts on the users list about it
[12:19:00] tetrawr: Freman: what's the problem?
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[12:19:00] Freman: tetrawr: there are 3, they range from the annoying, to the fatal... fatal is the backend just vanishes without telling me anything after about 48 hours
[12:19:00] Freman: I'm now investigating Juski's direction
[12:20:00] Freman: would be nice if they put a line like... log("Ooops, mysql broke me") when it can't connect in
[12:20:00] tetrawr: Freman: oh, i record stuff just about hourly, i'd know if it crashed
[12:20:00] tetrawr: Freman: 48 hours would be a bit excessive to me
[12:21:00] Freman: I was WATCHING something and it crashed, it didn't tell me till I finished watching and tried to delete the show
[12:21:00] tetrawr: Freman: are you running mythbackend on a remote computer?
[12:21:00] Freman: local
[12:21:00] Gumby: Freman: what chipset does the motherboard have?
[12:21:00] tetrawr: :7
[12:21:00] tetrawr: i dunno
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[12:22:00] ** tetrawr agrees with Gumby **
[12:22:00] Freman: I don't have this problem: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438074-h . . . v+mysql.html <- unlike him, once the back end poops, I simply start it again and it goes
[12:22:00] Brov: OK well apt-get remove x-ttcidfont-conf & apt-get remove msttcorefonts has certainly fixed the DVD running at double speed and weird timing stuff, THOUGH Live-TV still doesn't look quite right, I will need to check a few things
[12:22:00] tetrawr: for lack of better idea :P
[12:23:00] Gumby: Freman: via chipsets have been known to have issues on machines that have a high load on the ide bus when dma is enabled. this may be your issue if you have a via board. I had one once and mysql crashed all the freakin time
[12:23:00] tetrawr: Brov: check resolution in xf86.conf or whatever, look in it for
[12:24:00] Freman: nvidia chipset )C:
[12:24:00] Gumby: took the board back, got a nforce2 board, and with all the other hardware being exactly the same I've had zero stability issues to this day
[12:24:00] Freman: and it's got 2 digital tuners, and one analog on it (c:
[12:24:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i use a VIA board with 2.8 GHz Celeron-D with no problems
[12:24:00] Freman: I've stress tested it (c:
[12:24:00] Gumby: tetrawr: lucky you. these were older chipsets. ddr200 etc
[12:25:00] tetrawr: my mythtv recorder computer is VIA with DDR400
[12:25:00] tetrawr: Gumby: legendary DDR200?
[12:25:00] Freman: I've restarted it with verbose logging... I think
[12:25:00] Brov: The XF86Config files are deffo OK. They cannot have been altered as i have a script that swaps other ones in and out and that got tested 100% yesterday
[12:25:00] tetrawr: Gumby: i remember reading about DDR200 but I never had my hands on it
[12:26:00] Gumby: tetrawr: kt233 kt200 kt133 etc
[12:26:00] Freman: could it be that it doesn't like XFS filing system? I'm getting video corruption that I put down to XFS
[12:26:00] tetrawr: Gumby: not kt133
[12:26:00] Gumby: those chipsets had issues with linux
[12:26:00] tetrawr: with DDR..
[12:26:00] Gumby: Freman: could be. not sure
[12:26:00] Gumby: Freman: I'd stck with tried and true ext3
[12:26:00] Gumby: but thats just my personal choice
[12:26:00] Juski: YMMV with any chipset, IMHO. I've never had any issues with my Via chipset boards as backends – I can record 3 shows & watch at the same time on an kt133 and kt400
[12:26:00] tetrawr: Gumby: via is pants, regardless :)
[12:27:00] tetrawr: Gumby: nano-itx is excellent
[12:27:00] Juski: but watch out for zealots who'll tell you anything is crap just for the sake of it
[12:27:00] Gumby: lol
[12:27:00] tetrawr: Juski: like conservatives vs. photovoltaics
[12:28:00] Deathwish`: to be fair, the 686a/b VIA Southbridge chip was a bit...poor :)
[12:28:00] tetrawr: :)
[12:28:00] Juski: motherboard manufacturers can be as much to blame for percieved chipset issues
[12:28:00] Gumby: rm, its 4:30am. probably sleep time
[12:28:00] Freman: I think I have found a genuine bug in the front end... if I delete a show and it's the last show in there... it locks up
[12:28:00] Gumby: Freman: mine doesnt. but it does act somewhat weird
[12:29:00] tetrawr: Deathwish`: i have a crappy 6-year-old via694 that still works well
[12:29:00] Gumby: the show will still be there until I hit the up or down arrow on my remote
[12:29:00] Gumby: then it shows as a blank section
[12:29:00] tetrawr: Gumby: unmapped keys
[12:29:00] Deathwish`: tetrawr: I think the main prob was when you put in a Soundblaster card, Live! etc, it hogged all the pci bandwidth.
[12:29:00] tetrawr: incorrectly mapped keys
[12:29:00] Juski: Gumby: that doesn't good good
[12:29:00] Gumby: tetrawr: has nothing to do with unmapped keys
[12:30:00] Freman: I'll see what happens in 48 hours now that I have mad logging turned on
[12:30:00] Gumby: Freman: good luck
[12:30:00] tetrawr: Gumby: arrow keys on my keyboard fsck up myth scheduling/etc
[12:30:00] tetrawr: Gumby: it's like it borks mysql data
[12:30:00] tetrawr: i can't explain it
[12:31:00] Gumby: tetrawr: its not the keys. I delete a show and if its the last show it is still shown unless that window is refreshed. I am guessing that the window isnt refreshed until you scroll to a different recording.
[12:31:00] tetrawr: i want to add more PCI capture cards to /the/ computer
[12:31:00] Gumby: so until you do, the previous screen is there... thus showing the previously deleted recording still
[12:32:00] tetrawr: Gumby: Oh, recording scheduling?
[12:32:00] tetrawr: the "R" key problem?
[12:32:00] Gumby: no, in the recordings screen
[12:32:00] tetrawr: what recordings screen?? :)
[12:32:00] Gumby: anyhow, its bedtime. work comes too early
[12:32:00] tetrawr: i use the M key to enter the program menu
[12:32:00] Juski: I use ext3 on my backend & it can take a second or so for a recording to disappear when I delete it.. not quite instant but at the same time not too long a time
[12:32:00] tetrawr: that's how i schedule
[12:33:00] tetrawr: Gumby same here but I am my own boss ;)
[12:33:00] tetrawr: ciao
[12:33:00] tetrawr: reiserfs > ext3
[12:34:00] tetrawr: </troll>
[12:34:00] tetrawr: heheh
[12:38:00] Freman: wow, verbose logging creates a shit load of loggs
[12:38:00] tetrawr: Freman: in irc?
[12:39:00] Freman: mythbackend
[12:39:00] tetrawr: i just log all to screen
[12:40:00] Juski: yup
[12:40:00] Freman: I just want to see what the last thing it does before it dies
[12:41:00] tetrawr: log to something like /dev/lpr ;)
[12:42:00] tetrawr: er, lp0
[12:42:00] tetrawr: er, lmfao
[12:43:00] tetrawr: for once I actually liked the horrendously-overpriced CDW commercial
[12:44:00] tetrawr: this or that doesn't work; I need complete silence ohhhhmmm... ; No, it's FUBAR but i'll get you one tomorrow for five times the normal cost
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[12:46:00] tetrawr: bagleabuse: bagel
[12:46:00] tetrawr: hi
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[12:51:00] tetrawr: i love trolls
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[12:52:00] tetrawr: they have the ass to tell it how it really is
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[12:57:00] caitlin: anyone here happen to be in the UK and using winter hill as their dvb source?
[12:58:00] Juski: yup
[12:58:00] caitlin: any chance you could dump a table out of your db for me?
[12:58:00] Juski: don't see why not... which one.. dtv_multiplex ?
[12:58:00] caitlin: i hosed mine and i'm working remote, my backup is fucked
[12:58:00] caitlin: i cant run mythtv-setup :/
[12:58:00] caitlin: channel
[12:58:00] Juski: channel... ooo that's huge
[12:58:00] caitlin: if you lob it in a pastebin or something
[12:58:00] caitlin: is it?
[12:58:00] Juski: I'll just do it for one source then
[12:59:00] caitlin: ok
[12:59:00] Juski: other source is my cable
[12:59:00] caitlin: mine was about 200 lines
[12:59:00] Juski: and I don't have shite channels like shopping etc, so you'd have to get em somewhere else ;-)
[12:59:00] caitlin: :P
[13:00:00] caitlin: the shopping channel is called "ebay"
[13:00:00] tetrawr: ebay++
[13:00:00] nuxil: this is my2nd day with mythtv.. all i gotta say its AWSOME :D
[13:01:00] Juski: caitlin: http://pastebin.com/574767
[13:01:00] caitlin: cheers, you're a star
[13:01:00] tetrawr: mythtv puts tivo to shame
[13:02:00] caitlin: oh, bugger... could you run this instead? : mysqldump --opt mythconverg channel > channel.sql
[13:02:00] tetrawr: as linux puts windoze to shame
[13:02:00] Juski: yeh
[13:02:00] caitlin: that drops out the table as an insert statement
[13:02:00] caitlin: reconstructing for that table could take me a week :P
[13:02:00] Juski: awk ;-)
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[13:03:00] Juski: hmmm.. might need to put this on the interweb
[13:04:00] Juski: the INSERT line is wery wery long
[13:04:00] tetrawr: not like you have 2000 channels and 2 years of info
[13:04:00] caitlin: nuffink is ever trivially easy :p
[13:04:00] caitlin: how big is the file?
[13:04:00] caitlin: i can get you an ftp user on my webhost
[13:05:00] Juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/channel.sql
[13:05:00] Juski: command-line ftp. gotta love it
[13:05:00] tetrawr: wget
[13:07:00] Juski: did you get the file okay? my dns forwarder is a big fat kludge sometimes
[13:07:00] Juski: oh, and I think you've got my cable channels in there too
[13:07:00] tetrawr: Juski: me, or someone else?
[13:08:00] Juski: DVB is sourceid 1
[13:10:00] Juski: gah! someone has patched my theme
[13:10:00] Juski: how very _dare_ they ;-)
[13:10:00] tetrawr: is it better?
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[13:11:00] Juski: ah.. mythgame (don't care)... recorded programs view... erm... 1.3 was all about trying to fit into users' expectations :-/
[13:12:00] tetrawr: i haven't tried any plugins yet, probably my loss
[13:13:00] tetrawr: i use PCs
[13:13:00] caitlin: yeh, thanks loads
[13:13:00] caitlin: my channels seem ok now, but i'm struggling to populate the damn things
[13:13:00] tetrawr: so on the other hand, the only practical use I have for myth is TVish recording/playback
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[13:14:00] Tommck: is it true that Myth doesn't work with the old non-DVB drivers for the HD3000 cards now?
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[13:15:00] GreyFoxx: I don't remember hearing about support for those being removed
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[13:16:00] GreyFoxx: But, I don't have one so I can't confirm it
[13:16:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – I've been out of the loop for a bit, but I was told a while ago that they were removing support for the old drivers and only supporting DVB in the future
[13:16:00] GreyFoxx: Told by who ? :)
[13:17:00] Tommck: lots of folks. possibly even Isaac (not sure... it was about 6 months ago)
[13:18:00] Juski: caitlin: been thinking. you'll prolly need my dtv_multiplex table too
[13:18:00] Tommck: maybe it was part of the plan and didn't happen?
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[13:19:00] GreyFoxx: It's possible I suppose, but a PCHDTV is still an option in mythtv-setupw hen configuring a card :)
[13:19:00] GreyFoxx: so I would say, no, support is still in there :)
[13:19:00] Juski: caitlin: www.juski.co.uk/dtv_multiplex.sql
[13:19:00] Tommck: the cards are supported in the kernel now
[13:20:00] tetrawr: what card is supported in the kernel?
[13:20:00] GreyFoxx: Though it does say pcHDTV DTV capture card (w/V4L drivers)
[13:20:00] Tommck: oh.. cool
[13:20:00] Tommck: interesting...
[13:21:00] Tommck: I was making all these plans to upgrade my kernel (and actually OS) to upgrade Myth
[13:21:00] Tommck: maybe it's not necessary
[13:22:00] tetrawr: i already have mythbackend and mythfrontend working well on many computers, which HDTV tuner pci card should I invest in?
[13:22:00] GreyFoxx: The Fusion Lite is the current favourite it seems
[13:23:00] tetrawr: ntsc
[13:23:00] Tommck: interesting... I have been out of the loop... I don't remember the Fusion even working :)
[13:23:00] Tommck: tetrawr – ntsc is not HD
[13:23:00] tetrawr: Tommck: sorry, the "favourite" threw me into pal mode
[13:24:00] Tommck: ATSC is what you're looking for
[13:24:00] GreyFoxx: No, here in Canada we doesn't general skip the "u" in works like Colour, FAvourite, Neighbour etc :)
[13:24:00] tetrawr: Tommck: american hdtv?
[13:24:00] GreyFoxx: "we doesn't" .... man maybe I should take up drinking coffee in the morning
[13:24:00] Tommck: but they do replace the "u" with an "o" in words like "aboot"... "what that aboot?"
[13:24:00] caitlin: i should be cool without the multiplex
[13:24:00] Tommck: tetrawr – yes... american HDTV is ATSC
[13:25:00] caitlin: the reason my channels were shafted was that i dropped teh data out of channel only
[13:25:00] Juski: caitlin: well it's there if you need it
[13:25:00] caitlin: cheers
[13:25:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: then you are french, probably, no prblm
[13:25:00] Juski: and you prolly will if your mux table is out of sync with channels... ;-)
[13:25:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: No, I have not french :)
[13:25:00] tetrawr: Tommck: ahh, what's A/N ?
[13:25:00] Juski: you do you un-ignore someone in irssi? ;-)
[13:25:00] caitlin: duhn duhn duuuuuhn, i have *some* listings
[13:25:00] ** caitlin waits more **
[13:26:00] GreyFoxx: Canada still uses the Queens English, not the Americanized way :)
[13:26:00] Tommck: tetrawr – ntsc is the SD standard
[13:26:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – if you go to England, they don't use the Queen's English either! :)
[13:26:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[13:26:00] tetrawr: Tommck: sd?
[13:26:00] Tommck: tetrawr – old non-HD TV
[13:27:00] tetrawr: don't tell me, "standard definition?"
[13:27:00] tetrawr: that's bullshit
[13:27:00] Tommck: yes.. standard def
[13:28:00] tetrawr: for sixty years it was not called standard definition
[13:28:00] GreyFoxx: Well, of course not
[13:28:00] Tommck: yesh... you need Yin in order to have Yang
[13:28:00] tetrawr: Ying
[13:28:00] tetrawr: ?
[13:28:00] Tommck: no
[13:28:00] Tommck: Yin
[13:28:00] tetrawr: Ying.
[13:29:00] Tommck: commonly mispronounced as Ying, but it is Yin
[13:29:00] Tommck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_Yang
[13:30:00] tetrawr: doesn't relate to sdtv.
[13:30:00] tetrawr: so-called sdtv
[13:30:00] Tommck: yes, but it is like "good and evil"...
[13:30:00] tetrawr: but, sdtv is.. what?
[13:31:00] tetrawr: more like broadcast uhf/vhf?
[13:31:00] Tommck: I mean that you have to have something _besides_ standard definition TV in order to bother calling something standard definition, right?
[13:31:00] tetrawr: no
[13:31:00] tetrawr: you just call it "tv"
[13:31:00] Tommck: but HDTV is also TV
[13:31:00] tetrawr: and you call hdtv "hdtv"
[13:31:00] GreyFoxx: This is a ridiculous argument
[13:31:00] Tommck: yeah, it is...
[13:31:00] tetrawr: maybe
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[13:32:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: And unfortunately when you have a huge mixture of people some with HDTV, some with Standard all using the same app, all looking for support or information you must CLEARLY define which you are referring to, because the joe luser it's all "TV"
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[13:33:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – so... I should be able to upgrade my 0.18.1+ to 0.19 like I have in the past then, right?
[13:33:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: to joe luser like me, "tv" is old broadcast ntsc
[13:33:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck: I don't have a pchdtv, so I can't tell you from experience if you will have problems or not
[13:33:00] tetrawr: sure, i'm joe luser, i give.
[13:33:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: But alas you are not the only person
[13:33:00] Tommck: GreyFoxx – but you haven't heard anything weird about it though?
[13:33:00] GreyFoxx: Tommck: I've not seen any complaints no
[13:34:00] tetrawr: i won't cough up $140 for a hdtv tuner card for three channels
[13:34:00] Tommck: cool
[13:34:00] Tommck: tetrawr – then why are you asking about it?
[13:34:00] tetrawr: Tommck: i'm not
[13:34:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: Heh that is a little much, but a fusion can be had for around $99 US with free shipping from cyberstore
[13:34:00] Tommck: tetrawr: i already have mythbackend and mythfrontend working well on many computers, which HDTV tuner pci card should I invest in?
[13:34:00] Tommck: you're not?
[13:35:00] tetrawr: Tommck: i'm defending the idea that tv is it.
[13:35:00] tetrawr: Tommck: i use cable tv
[13:35:00] Tommck: uh... you just asked us which HDTV card to buy
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[13:36:00] tetrawr: because i Don't Have One? :)
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[13:37:00] tetrawr: sorry, I'm tired
[13:37:00] Tommck: ok.. whatever.. I'm done
[13:37:00] ** GreyFoxx starts a daily countdown until I'm official done with this job **
[13:37:00] tetrawr: it's almost 7:00 a.m.
[13:37:00] tetrawr: sunrise makes me sleepy
[13:38:00] GreyFoxx: My daughter getting me up early makes me sleepy :)
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[13:38:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: i can't help you with that one
[13:39:00] GreyFoxx: I should nap under my desk or something
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[13:39:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: maybe i can
[13:39:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: do what i did
[13:39:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: QUIT
[13:39:00] GreyFoxx: I did
[13:39:00] tetrawr: :)
[13:39:00] GreyFoxx: My last day is Friday
[13:39:00] GreyFoxx: :)
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[13:40:00] tetrawr: no
[13:40:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: today is
[13:40:00] Juski: when the hell are camera manufacturers gonna make a digital camera you can just connect to a PC & drag photos off without installing shitty software? argghhh
[13:40:00] GreyFoxx: Nope, I hate the job, but I don't hate my coworkers and that would fsck them up :)
[13:40:00] tetrawr: cameras are pants
[13:41:00] Tommck: Juski – they've been doing that for years... what OS are you using?
[13:41:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Most these days are just USB drives
[13:41:00] Juski: Canon Powershot A70
[13:41:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: no, blame that part on your boss..
[13:41:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: today is..
[13:41:00] Tommck: My Kodak camera did that almost 10 years ago
[13:41:00] Tommck: Juski – what OS?
[13:41:00] Juski: win2k
[13:41:00] tetrawr: mmm, 16 megapixels
[13:41:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: It's irrelevant how I feel about my boss. I would be a total dick if I ditched my coworkers in the middle of a project. :)
[13:41:00] tetrawr: tricolor CCD
[13:41:00] Tommck: did you try it without installing the software?
[13:41:00] tetrawr: mmmm
[13:42:00] Juski: yes I did, and it doesn't work
[13:42:00] Tommck: weird.. Canon's fault then
[13:42:00] Tommck: if you don't install the drivers, my old Kodak shows up as a hard drive
[13:42:00] GreyFoxx: Same for my old Sony
[13:42:00] Juski: not this PoS
[13:42:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: sounds like you aren't confident in your "co-workers"
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[13:43:00] Tommck: Juski – now that I think of it, my current Cannon won't do that either.
[13:43:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: I;m confident in their abilities, but I'm the one with the most experience in what we are doing and they can't get up to speed in time to finish the project this week :)
[13:43:00] Tommck: Canon must be doing something wrong
[13:44:00] GreyFoxx: Eitherway, this is another ridiculous discussion
[13:44:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: that's what i'm still saying
[13:44:00] Juski: hahaha. we've lost the driver cd
[13:44:00] Tommck: Juski – you should be able to download them
[13:44:00] Juski: and we don't have a card reader
[13:44:00] Juski: if they're not exe or zip files, yeh ;-)
[13:44:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: you aren't doing to do shti in five days
[13:45:00] Tommck: Juski – why is there a problem with EXE or Zip?
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[13:45:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: You have no idea what you are talking about, since you have no idea what my project is nor my role in it, nor how close to complettion it is :)
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[13:46:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: damn if i don't, you think you can change a project like that in less than a week? if it's less than a week that makes a difference, then it doesn't matter if you quit tomorrow, friday, or a month ago.
[13:46:00] Juski: Tommck: SuperScout
[13:46:00] Tommck: Juski – huh?
[13:46:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: Hahaha uh huh :)
[13:47:00] Juski: Tommck: anally retentive firewall/filter
[13:47:00] tetrawr: GreyFoxx: ok then, i'm glad it's a project i have nothing to do with.. good luck
[13:47:00] Tommck: Juski – ahh... get someone with a good connection to download them for you and then rename them
[13:47:00] ** Juski grabs the exe & renames it **
[13:48:00] Juski: we can download whatever we like from ftp sites :-/
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: tetrawr: heh
[13:48:00] Juski: and rar files are allowed too
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: I can give you ssh access to phaze.org. I run a squid proxy on localhost that you can portforward your web traffic over
[13:49:00] Juski: thanks for the offer GreyFoxx but I've got it covered now. I'd rather contravene the regulations just once in a while than all the time
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[13:50:00] Juski: sackable offense bypassing IT security measures
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: Understandable
[13:50:00] tetrawr: heheh
[13:51:00] Juski: they should be sacked for making my job harder
[13:51:00] tetrawr: lucky your IT doesn't employ me
[13:51:00] Juski: ;-)
[13:51:00] tetrawr: or should i say your MIS, heh, heh
[13:57:00] Tommck: pardon my ignorance, but what's a DBox2?
[13:57:00] GreyFoxx: Dreambox, basically a settop box with a dvb card in it
[13:58:00] Juski: a botched attempt at hacking a cable/satellite reciever take open source software
[13:58:00] Tommck: oh.. I see
[13:58:00] Tommck: is it useful in the US?
[13:58:00] Juski: Dreambox != DBOX2
[13:58:00] Juski: Tommck: no
[13:58:00] Tommck: ok
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: a friend of mine has one and his words work "dream box 2) , but he could easily have been wrong
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: He isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer
[13:59:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: I have a DBOX2, and I know someone who has a dreambox.. they're not the same
[13:59:00] caitlin: oops.
[13:59:00] Juski: same idea maybe, but not the same
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[14:00:00] Juski: dreambox >> dbox2 ;-)
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:00:00] Tommck: the line "qmake mythtv.pro" is still in the docs... do we really have to do that still? (I seem to remember that step being removed at some point)
[14:01:00] Juski: AFAIK we still ahve to qmake
[14:01:00] Tommck: ok
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[14:05:00] Juski: oh wow. TWAIN drivers should be banned by some international convention
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[14:11:00] ragawu: anyone here use dvb-t in their setup?
[14:11:00] ragawu: and di you have to perform any tweaking or other things to get a stable picture?
[14:11:00] ragawu: did
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[14:13:00] Juski: stable picture in dvb-t just comes as part of the package
[14:14:00] Juski: unless you're not deinterlacing
[14:14:00] Juski: it shouldn't roll or anything though ;-)
[14:15:00] ragawu: I mean what seems like data throughput issues, the picture stalls, stutters and farts its way along
[14:15:00] Juski: ragawu: likely to be a signal strength / integrity issue then
[14:15:00] Cromz: ok so I got an idea for a new mythplugin. MythExcuse it should have a list of pre-packaged excuses or tap into this site. http://www.getodd.com/raz/sickday/sickday.html
[14:15:00] ragawu: in my terminal window I see [mpeg2video 0 0xb769f010]md incr damaged
[14:16:00] ragawu: lots of these error messages, about
[14:16:00] Juski: you should have tested your dvb setup outside of mythtv first, with tzap & the other dvb utils
[14:16:00] ragawu: 3 a second
[14:16:00] Tommck: sounds like input quality issues
[14:16:00] Juski: use tzap.. check your SNR, BER & overall signal strength
[14:16:00] ragawu: I did test the setup, its not myttv thats causing the problem, just thought I'd look here for advice
[14:16:00] ragawu: problem exists when using tzap too
[14:17:00] Juski: digital tv != better than a good analogue signal
[14:17:00] Juski: digital != quality
[14:17:00] ragawu: my freeview box on the same lead is perfect, no artifacts ever
[14:17:00] Juski: ahh well there you go
[14:17:00] Juski: some PC tuners are shite
[14:17:00] ragawu: haha
[14:17:00] Juski: seriously
[14:18:00] ragawu: couldn't be something I've messed up, or not configured correctly? I should probably be asking this somewhere else though...
[14:18:00] Juski: no
[14:18:00] Juski: run tzap & post a line or two of its output
[14:18:00] ragawu: in a previous incarnation of my yet to function correctly mythtv setup, the video was fine
[14:18:00] ragawu: ok 2 ticks folks
[14:18:00] Juski: tzap tells all
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[14:19:00] ragawu: # tzap "BBC ONE Scot"
[14:19:00] ragawu: using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'
[14:19:00] ragawu: tuning to 634166670 Hz
[14:19:00] ragawu: video pid 0x00c9, audio pid 0x00ca
[14:19:00] ragawu: status 00 | signal ffb0 | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
[14:19:00] ragawu: status 1f | signal ffbb | snr 8c8c | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[14:19:00] ragawu: status 1f | signal ffaf | snr 8e8e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[14:19:00] ragawu: status 1f | signal ffa6 | snr 8d8d | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[14:19:00] Juski: snr could be higher
[14:20:00] ragawu: try a better coaxial cable?
[14:20:00] Juski: ber is as low as it can possibly be
[14:20:00] ragawu: whats ber?
[14:20:00] ragawu: excuse my ignorance
[14:20:00] Juski: some news for yer: basic TV coax is bad for digital signal apparently
[14:20:00] Juski: new installs now use CT100 cable which is like twice the price of the rubbish B&Q sell
[14:21:00] Juski: more screening – better immunity to 'impulse noise'
[14:21:00] ragawu: has anyone experience of a wifi card causing interference, I read that somewhere...
[14:21:00] Juski: could also be caused by your PC components
[14:21:00] Juski: and yeh wifi can be bad
[14:22:00] ragawu: in the future I'm going to run gigabit lan cable through my house, but my partner isn't ready for the upheavel
[14:22:00] Tommck: I'm bulding MythTV with "./configure --enable-dts" and it is still printing out "DTS passthrough no"
[14:22:00] Juski: (just as sneezing can be bad for wifi)
[14:22:00] Tommck: anyone have any idea why this is?
[14:22:00] ragawu: sneezing? hahha
[14:22:00] ragawu: were you being serious?
[14:23:00] Juski: ragawu: course not, but wireless is pretty shitty IMHO – people expect too much of it
[14:23:00] ragawu: wireless is pretty shit. I'll agree with that.
[14:23:00] Juski: great for web browsing in the garden n stuff though I imagine
[14:24:00] ragawu: sod it, I'm up for some plastering. gigabit lan it is.
[14:26:00] ragawu: in glasgow, I get maybe 20 days out of the year where i'd actually want to sit in the garden
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[14:26:00] Juski: maybe less in Manchester ;-)
[14:26:00] Juski: unless you own a Husky laptop
[14:27:00] foobum: anyone running mythfrontend on OS X here#?
[14:27:00] Juski: ragawu: try the tuner without wlan enabled & see how it goes
[14:27:00] praet: Tommck: libdts?
[14:27:00] Juski: actually.. what make/model is the card, ragawu?
[14:28:00] Tommck: praet – can you elaborate?
[14:28:00] ragawu: would running ifdown wlan0 do the trick?
[14:28:00] praet: are you missing that?
[14:28:00] ragawu: it's a kworld vstream dvb-t pci card, I've got two of them....
[14:28:00] Tommck: praet – that is something from the OS, I guess
[14:28:00] ragawu: [sharp intake of breath]
[14:28:00] Tommck: ?
[14:29:00] Juski: ragawu: how does it act with the aerial just plugged into one card, i.e. not looping it thru to the other card?
[14:29:00] praet: libdts is a dts decoder.. i think you need that
[14:29:00] ragawu: that's how it is at the moment, not even tried the second yet
[14:30:00] Tommck: praet – and it's not a myth library?
[14:30:00] Juski: libdts.. is litigious right now.. good luck finding it
[14:30:00] ragawu: with wlan down, the snr is 9696 and ber is i4f8
[14:30:00] ragawu: not i4f8 but 14f8
[14:30:00] Juski: ragawu: try an aerial booster, though sometimes they can make it worse
[14:30:00] praet: Juski: would --enable-dts run without a dts decoder?
[14:30:00] Tommck: Juski – litigious? court issues?
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[14:31:00] Juski: yes, they're being threatened by the DTS people
[14:31:00] Tommck: praet – it does nothing (nicely not mentioning why it ignores the --enable-dts flag :) )
[14:31:00] Juski: you can still find it
[14:31:00] Tommck: it's not worth it, since I already have DTS working through through ALSA
[14:32:00] praet: hrmm did you make clean before make?
[14:32:00] praet: oh
[14:32:00] Tommck: praet – since it's never been built, make clean seems a bit silly
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[14:32:00] ragawu: well with wlan disabled the stuttering is less pronounced, but still appalling!
[14:33:00] praet: could libalsa2-devel help
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[14:33:00] Tommck: praet – it's OK... I was just curious... I'm fine without it
[14:33:00] ragawu: are the tuners inside my pc really so poor in comparison to my pace freeview box
[14:33:00] ragawu: why would they bother selling them?!?!
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[14:40:00] ragawu: that was more of a rhetorical questions
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[14:40:00] praet: heh
[14:41:00] praet: ragawu: what os are you running?
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[14:44:00] gremlin484: Anyone know where I can find exportvideo ?!? I can't seem to find anything less than like 5 years old out there?!?!?
[14:47:00] Juski: ragawu: the problem is probably more to do with either the tuner module itself or the card design
[14:47:00] Juski: my lr6650 cards pull in really good signals with a roughly aimed aerial I've got in the loft
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[14:51:00] Juski: gremlin484: would nuvexport not fit the bill there?
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[14:55:00] gremlin484: I cant figure out how to make it not user interactive?!? I tried all the command line options, and it still asks me a bunch of questions.
[14:56:00] gremlin484: Idealy, I'd have a "make vcd" user job in mythtv, where I can queue an edited show to create a vcd (or svcd) mpeg that I can then burn to cd.
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[15:00:00] ragawu: praet: running it on knoppmyth, so debian unstable
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[15:02:00] nuxil: help.. i got a problem.. i did install the music plugin and all its requermet.. it worked fine..until i rebooted.. i get his error message from mad
[15:02:00] nuxil: 2006-02–27 15:48:37.908 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.
[15:02:00] nuxil: Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.
[15:02:00] nuxil: any ideas?
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[15:03:00] nuxil: so weird.
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[15:06:00] Jasper: hmm
[15:06:00] nuxil: i dont understand why this happes..
[15:06:00] Jasper: nice...tv recording of 2 hoursr....12 ggigh
[15:06:00] Jasper: :P
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[15:11:00] praet: nuxil: what are your permissions on /dev/dsp
[15:11:00] nuxil: let me check
[15:11:00] nuxil: root root
[15:11:00] nuxil: chall ichange it
[15:12:00] praet: 777?
[15:12:00] djohnson: Anyone know what the shortcut key from program-guide for "Find" is?
[15:12:00] nuxil: lrwxrwxrwx
[15:12:00] praet: k
[15:12:00] nuxil: its linkd to dsp0
[15:12:00] djohnson: k didn't work for me :(
[15:13:00] praet: its created ok from udev then?
[15:13:00] praet: sorry djohnson
[15:13:00] praet: djohnson: check mythweb for "extra" key mappings
[15:13:00] djohnson: no problem... I haven't installed mythweb yet, but it looks like my afternoon chore
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[15:14:00] praet: nuxil: do you have /dev/snd ?
[15:14:00] nuxil: let me check
[15:14:00] Juski: djohnson: try looking in mythcontrol
[15:14:00] nuxil: yes
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[15:15:00] praet: try setting that as the sound source
[15:15:00] djohnson: Juski: Thanks
[15:15:00] nuxil: praet snd is a dir
[15:15:00] praet: doh
[15:16:00] nuxil: lemme try then
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[15:17:00] praet: i know ive seen that error before
[15:18:00] praet: are you using 'ALSA:default' as your mythmusic audio device?
[15:18:00] nuxil: didnt help.. if i set it to snd i get no sound i tv.. and still got the same error
[15:18:00] nuxil: praet how to tell?
[15:19:00] nuxil: i use alsa on my system tho
[15:19:00] praet: use 'ALSA:default'
[15:20:00] praet: set mythmusic's 'audio device' to 'ALSA:default' too
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[15:21:00] gremlin484: Anyone know where I can find exportvideo ?!? I can't seem to find anything less than like 5 years old out there?!?!?
[15:22:00] nuxil: what? where do i set that ALSA:default thing?
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: gremlin484: Do you mean "nuvexport" ?
[15:22:00] nuxil: same menu?
[15:23:00] nuxil: praet what do you mean use 'ALSA:default'
[15:24:00] praet: mythfront setup under general > audio what does it say?
[15:25:00] praet: mine says /dev/dsp for output but i think you can try ALSA:default there
[15:25:00] nuxil: yes mine also says /dev/dsp
[15:25:00] nuxil: lemme try that
[15:26:00] praet: wait does tv have audio
[15:26:00] praet: in music settings the audio say default (set to whatever it is in general)
[15:26:00] nuxil: i cant use that.. i get no sound in my tv then
[15:27:00] nuxil: tv has dsp
[15:27:00] ** Juski scratches his head **
[15:27:00] praet: ok so tv audio is working
[15:27:00] nuxil: yes with dsp
[15:27:00] praet: but when you play audio no souund
[15:27:00] Juski: but you can't use mythmusic & livetv at the same time so it doesn't matter
[15:27:00] nuxil: when i wanna play i get error
[15:28:00] nuxil: Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.
[15:28:00] praet: what is teh file you are trying to play (and are permissions correct)?
[15:28:00] nuxil: Juski im not trying to do that
[15:28:00] Juski: maybe mad was built without alsa support...
[15:28:00] nuxil: praet it worked before i rebooted
[15:28:00] Juski: nuxil I know – but you said you can't use the same output method as tv playback
[15:30:00] praet: does your kernel have oss
[15:30:00] nuxil: well.. it stoped working for some reason.. it was using the same audio device
[15:30:00] nuxil: praet, i have alsa oss installed
[15:30:00] nuxil: praet, i dont know.. its a stoc kernel..
[15:30:00] nuxil: debian
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[15:31:00] nuxil: is there some config for mad pherhaps?
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[15:32:00] praet: what happens if you set musicsettings > audio to 'ALSA:default'
[15:32:00] nuxil: let me try
[15:32:00] praet: and see what error comes up
[15:34:00] nuxil: same error
[15:34:00] nuxil: anoying
[15:36:00] praet: can you play the files with another player no problem?
[15:36:00] praet: i feel like that error mean the fe cant access the file you are trying to play
[15:38:00] nuxil: yes xmms and amarok plays music fine
[15:40:00] nuxil: ok i got it fix. :) its weird.. the mixer was set to mixer ,, i set it to mixer0 .. but i dont know why it helped cos mixer is linked to mixer0
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[15:40:00] praet: dang
[15:40:00] praet: well that would do it
[15:40:00] praet: did you get that from the working player
[15:40:00] nuxil: thxz for your help tho :D
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[15:41:00] nuxil: praet no..i just tryed to set it to mixer0 for fun.. and it worked :D
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[15:42:00] nuxil: but weird.. since /dev/mixer0 is linked to /dev/mixer
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[15:43:00] soulflare: hello, i've a problem with mythtv 0.19... the sound is missing in livetv and i get the following error in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log:
[15:43:00] soulflare: NVR: Error, cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp'
[15:43:00] jonty: Is there any way to store the livetv recordings in another place, away from the actual recordings in 0.19?
[15:43:00] soulflare: no sorry, wrong error :D
[15:43:00] soulflare: 2006-02–27 16:44:16.759 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1
[15:43:00] soulflare: read audio: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler
[15:43:00] nuxil: soulflare set it to dsp0
[15:44:00] nuxil: :
[15:44:00] jonty: It was possible in 0.18
[15:44:00] a1fa: somone talk me out of 2-tier design w/ xbox as the frontend :p
[15:44:00] jonty: and now I have 20gig reserved for livetv going to waste
[15:45:00] soulflare: i already fixed the first one
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[15:48:00] soulflare: no idea?
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[15:49:00] Juski: jonty: you'll need to re-partition I'm afraid
[15:49:00] jonty: arrgh
[15:49:00] Juski: could be a time consuming process
[15:49:00] jonty: I only just finished building the box :|
[15:49:00] jonty: *sigh*
[15:50:00] Juski: I have one partition called /video – livetv buffer & recordings are both on there
[15:50:00] Juski: lucky, I suppose
[15:50:00] jonty: Are shows you watch supposed to show up in the recordings list?
[15:50:00] jonty: I've not actually recorded them....
[15:50:00] Juski: yes, if the filter is set right
[15:50:00] jonty: hmmm
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[15:51:00] a1fa: some1 talk me out of it
[15:51:00] jonty: do it
[15:51:00] a1fa: no!
[15:51:00] a1fa: :(
[15:51:00] Juski: I only ever used livetv to test my cards anyway
[15:52:00] jonty: my housemates use livetv, so it has to work properly
[15:52:00] Juski: a1fa: do it – you know you want to use a noisy, fugly box as your FE
[15:52:00] a1fa: jonty : why dont you split the cable, and connect it directly to tv for livetv
[15:52:00] a1fa: makes channel surfing so much easier
[15:52:00] soulflare: 2006-02–27 16:35:58.101 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv//1011_20060227163556.nuv): Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[15:52:00] jonty: if you think an xbox is noisy, you should hear my frontend box.....the fan is buggered :D
[15:52:00] Juski: lol
[15:52:00] soulflare: this is another error message i get in mythfrontend
[15:52:00] jonty: because I use DVB cards, and we don't have a DVB box
[15:52:00] a1fa: Juski : xbox is noisy?
[15:53:00] Juski: so get the stingy buggers to buy a £30 Freeview box ;-)
[15:53:00] Juski: a1fa: in my living room, yes
[15:53:00] Juski: whiiiiiiiiiiiiiine goes the fan
[15:53:00] jonty: we're students....I've only just got enough money to live as it is!
[15:53:00] Juski: bollocks!
[15:53:00] jonty: all my myth hardware is donated
[15:53:00] a1fa: something is wrong with your xbxo
[15:53:00] a1fa: :P
[15:53:00] Juski: jonty: they want live tv, they can buy a box
[15:53:00] Juski: ;-)
[15:53:00] a1fa: jonty : cable spliter is $1
[15:54:00] jonty: alfa, DVB box is ?40
[15:54:00] Juski: £30 is less than 2 student nights out :-P
[15:54:00] a1fa: you got digital cable?
[15:54:00] jonty: nope, digital terrestrial
[15:54:00] a1fa: Juski : i spent $80/night as a student
[15:54:00] jonty: DVB-T
[15:54:00] a1fa: oh
[15:54:00] a1fa: satelite :P
[15:54:00] a1fa: i had no money.. go out to a bar
[15:54:00] jonty: phht, must have been nice to be able to afford that
[15:54:00] a1fa: spent $80
[15:55:00] a1fa: hehe :P
[15:55:00] Juski: $80 a night? what do your parents do? :-P
[15:55:00] a1fa: then i had to work my ass off the next day
[15:55:00] a1fa: nothing
[15:55:00] jonty: nope, not satellite, terrestrial, as in basic antenna – the UK has decent local TV (go BBC!)
[15:55:00] Juski: who's gonna pay for your liver transplant then, af1a?
[15:56:00] caitlin: jesus £15 a night out... where the hell are you a studant?
[15:56:00] caitlin: mine were £70 and slightly epic
[15:56:00] a1fa: i spent
[15:56:00] a1fa: hehe
[15:56:00] a1fa: i worked my ass off through college
[15:56:00] a1fa: my parents didnt pay a dime
[15:56:00] Juski: jesus. not many £1 a shot bars in your towns I guess
[15:56:00] caitlin: 70 shots.......
[15:56:00] jonty: hmm, time to look into LVM...
[15:57:00] Juski: I'm shocked
[15:57:00] Juski: god help the UK
[15:57:00] a1fa: yes
[15:57:00] a1fa: :P
[15:58:00] Juski: I thought my drinking was excessive. shows how much I know
[15:58:00] jonty: I think the most I've spent on a night out was ?80, but then I do get very generous when drunk
[15:58:00] Juski: heh
[15:58:00] jonty: I mostly spend ?20-?30
[15:58:00] jonty: depends if I blag free entry to clubs
[15:58:00] Juski: anyway – DVB & mythtv's live tv is kinda stinky. your housemates won't like it
[15:59:00] Juski: unless you only leave it on one channel
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[15:59:00] jonty: I've been using Mythtv/DVB with 0.17/18 for about 8 months
[15:59:00] jonty: they're fine with it
[15:59:00] Juski: channel change time has actually increased now for DVB
[15:59:00] Juski: on my box anyway
[16:00:00] Juski: I tried it just after the upgrade & thought "thank f*** for recordings"
[16:00:00] jonty: seems a little faster here, but then the box is 500mhz faster than the old one
[16:00:00] Juski: depends on your DVB drivers I think
[16:00:00] jonty: yeah
[16:00:00] Juski: some take longer to lock than others
[16:00:00] Juski: still nice not to rely on live though
[16:00:00] jonty: my housemate ordered another DVB card, which was supposed to be here today, it's not turned up yet :(
[16:01:00] Juski: get an aerial amp then
[16:01:00] Juski: you can't just go looping aerial cables til the cows come home
[16:01:00] jonty: we've got a sky box with all the free channels too, but we can't get E4 on it
[16:01:00] jonty: hehe, yeah, I know
[16:01:00] jonty: we've already got one
[16:01:00] Juski: oh, and where would you all be without 'lost' – terrible ;-)
[16:01:00] a1fa: jonty : i am from eu.ba.. i'm below poor
[16:02:00] jonty: :P
[16:02:00] jonty: actually, we don't watch lost :D
[16:02:00] Juski: make your own E4.. but a dvd jukebox, fill it with Friends box sets on random play – sorted
[16:02:00] jonty: hehehe
[16:02:00] jonty: yeah
[16:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:02:00] Beirdo: my fiancee would LOVE that channel
[16:02:00] jonty: it does have some good stuff ocasionally
[16:03:00] Juski: and you're still marrying her? must be love or something ;-)
[16:03:00] jonty: I read that as "fiancees" then, and thought WTF??
[16:03:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:03:00] Beirdo: actually, I don't mind Friends usually
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[16:03:00] jonty: it's good mindless TV for when you feel like killing brain cells
[16:03:00] Beirdo: that's what TV is for after all
[16:04:00] Tommck: does 0.19 require any particular IVTV version? (I can't find any info about this in any docs)
[16:04:00] jonty: E4 does have the IT Crowd repeated on it.....shit as it is, its the only mildly geeky tv program on at the moment
[16:04:00] Beirdo: Tommck: not that I know if, it works for me with 0.2.0 of some sorts
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[16:05:00] Tommck: Beirdo – cool... I have an old version, but it's working, so I figured I'd upgrade piecemeal
[16:05:00] Beirdo: I wouldn't suggest upgrading ivtv if it's working for you :)
[16:05:00] jonty: think my housemates will be pissed if I delete all our recorded TV? :P
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[16:05:00] Beirdo: that's just asking for a painful time fixing things that ain't broke
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[16:06:00] Beirdo: jonty: you erasing their pr0n?
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[16:06:00] jonty: nah, all the porn is stored on my housemates server :| (all 40gig of it :|)
[16:06:00] Tommck: Beirdo – well, I am on an old version (0.3.2z) and I get a squiggly white line at the top of every recording :)
[16:06:00] Tommck: 40 GB??? amateur!
[16:06:00] jonty: (he's the only single one in the house, can you tell?)
[16:06:00] jonty: hahaha
[16:07:00] Kyler: I'm trying to learn about closed captions today. I thought I saw something about improved support in recent versions and I see the "CC" icon on some of my recordings but I haven't gotten any further.
[16:07:00] Beirdo: jonty: he will likely stay that way a while
[16:07:00] jonty: I was at a LAN the other day, and some guy had 80gig plus
[16:07:00] jonty: lol
[16:08:00] soulflare: 2006-02–27 16:44:16.759 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/dsp1
[16:08:00] soulflare: read audio: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler
[16:08:00] soulflare: nobody who can help me?
[16:08:00] Kyler: A friend asked me for transcripts of some shows I recorded. I'd also like to use captions for determining when a new episode of a program airs.
[16:10:00] Kyler: "Pressing 0–9 (preferably 3 times) + T changes teletext page and turns on teletext." ???
[16:12:00] Kyler: So...I press (any?!) digit three times and then press 'T'. I'm told captions are enabled. Now what?
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[16:13:00] nuxil: anyone using zsnes?
[16:13:00] nuxil: where do i get thouse rom files from?
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[16:14:00] ** a1fa is going to best buy tonight **
[16:15:00] nuxil: i installed zsnes .. but i dont got romfiles :\
[16:20:00] Juski: Kyler: teletext in mythtv is basically just CC support (subtitles)
[16:20:00] Kyler: Juski: How do I see them?
[16:20:00] Juski: you need to enable VBI capture for your tuner
[16:21:00] Juski: if you've got a pvr150 or pvr500 you're screwed
[16:21:00] Juski: (it won't work)
[16:22:00] Kyler: I have PVR250s. I'm looking for it... (Thanks!)
[16:22:00] Juski: nuxil: ROM files can be got legitimately from a limited number of sources
[16:22:00] macroexp: pvr250 is same as pvr 150/500 – it'll record the CC info, but not in a form that myth will display
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[16:23:00] Juski: mythgame doesn't come with ROMs because it'd be illegal to distribute them
[16:23:00] nuxil: k
[16:23:00] Juski: marcoexp: no – ivtv for pvr250 & pvr350 will allow vbi data extraction, but not the pvr150/500 cards. that's what I read on the users' ML
[16:23:00] Juski: * macroexp, even
[16:23:00] Juski: ^^
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[16:24:00] macroexp: hmm... well, in that case, the pvr150/500 won't work at all, whereas the pvr 250/350 just don't work with myth
[16:24:00] macroexp: :)
[16:25:00] macroexp: it works on my pvr350 – but it passes it through
[16:25:00] Juski: ah well
[16:25:00] scopeuk: you can grab roms egay if you own a copy of the origionak game
[16:25:00] macroexp: myth has no idea there is CC data
[16:25:00] Kyler: Juski: Where's the VBI enable option? I know I've seen it but I'm not seeing it now.
[16:25:00] macroexp: but it shows up on the tv out
[16:25:00] macroexp: altho
[16:25:00] Juski: Kyler: mythtv-setup
[16:25:00] macroexp: i think they got 150/500 working
[16:25:00] a1fa: who else has xbox frontend?
[16:25:00] Kyler: Juski: Yes, but where in there?
[16:26:00] Juski: capture card setup
[16:26:00] Juski: a1fa: I use xbmc and the python scripts – everything bar livetv works great
[16:26:00] Kyler: Juski: I have "Card type", "Video device", "Default input".
[16:26:00] Juski: Kyler: VBI device will be there if it's supported
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[16:27:00] Kyler: Ah...so VBI is *not* supported for the PVR-250.
[16:27:00] Kyler: bummer
[16:30:00] Chutt: the vbi selection is in the general section
[16:30:00] Chutt: not the device setup
[16:31:00] Juski: oops
[16:31:00] Kyler: There is definitely a VBI device selection in the Capture Card Setup.
[16:31:00] Chutt: for analog cards, sure
[16:31:00] Chutt: not for things using ivtv.
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[16:32:00] simon_c: Chutt: Hi, I've been told you're the right person to ping about adding an additional link from the "Binary packages" page.
[16:32:00] geoff__998e: the pvr 150 and 500 can't do vbi in myth iirc
[16:32:00] Kyler: I've set NTSC format for the captions in the General section.
[16:32:00] geoff__998e: because the driver doesn't support embedded vbi for these cards
[16:33:00] a1fa: :)
[16:33:00] a1fa: Juski : what is xbmc
[16:33:00] Juski: xbox media 'center'
[16:33:00] a1fa: ah :p
[16:33:00] a1fa: do you need a chip?
[16:34:00] Juski: no, just a non-MS bios in the xbox
[16:34:00] scopeuk: Juski could you softmdo it?
[16:34:00] a1fa: will it play games?
[16:34:00] Juski: yep
[16:34:00] a1fa: really
[16:34:00] a1fa: how do you load a non-MS bios.. that machwarrior game hack?
[16:34:00] Chutt: simon_c, send me an email.
[16:35:00] Juski: for all your xbox related info www.xboxscene.com
[16:35:00] simon_c: Chutt: Will do.
[16:35:00] simon_c: Chutt: What address ?
[16:35:00] Juski: xboxlinux.org is good too iirc
[16:36:00] Chutt: err, it's at the bottom of every page on the website
[16:36:00] simon_c: Chutt: Ahh. :-) I have sent an email to that one. A couple actually.
[16:36:00] Chutt: not that i've seen.
[16:36:00] simon_c: Chutt: Will do so again then.
[16:36:00] simon_c: Chutt: thanks
[16:38:00] a1fa: Juski : does xbmc connect to myth?
[16:39:00] Juski: a1fa: with the xbmcmyth python scripts, yes.. allows you to watch recordings with full show descriptions & previews
[16:40:00] a1fa: Juski : lirc?
[16:40:00] Juski: livetv never really worked well, and definitely doesn't with 0.19
[16:40:00] a1fa: Juski : what softmod did you use?
[16:40:00] Juski: a1fa: xbmc allows you to use the xbox remote
[16:40:00] a1fa: i want to run svn
[16:40:00] a1fa: xebian+svn mythtv+lirc
[16:40:00] Juski: a1fa: watching recordings / scheduling works..
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[16:41:00] a1fa: is it worth it?
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[16:42:00] Juski: worth what? the hassle of modding, ftp'ing a few files? yes
[16:42:00] a1fa: :P
[16:42:00] a1fa: i mean xbmc?
[16:42:00] Juski: even xebian requires the box to be modded
[16:42:00] a1fa: but xbmc doesnt?
[16:42:00] Juski: xbmc takes very little time to load, too
[16:42:00] a1fa: ok.. maybe we can fix the livetv?
[16:42:00] Juski: any non-offical software needs a mod (soft or hard) to be able to run
[16:43:00] a1fa: Juski : what softmod did you whack it with?
[16:43:00] Juski: a1fa: maybe. xbmcmythtv.sourceforge.net
[16:43:00] Juski: a1fa: I bought a chip
[16:43:00] a1fa: bastard :P
[16:43:00] Juski: took 30 minutes to fix
[16:43:00] a1fa: what chip?
[16:43:00] Juski: xecutor lite
[16:44:00] Juski: with fugly LEDs on it ;-)
[16:44:00] a1fa: can you buy those at game stores?
[16:44:00] Juski: mail order, usually
[16:45:00] a1fa: sucks
[16:45:00] a1fa: :(
[16:45:00] a1fa: did you solder it?
[16:45:00] Juski: they come with a basic flash utility on them, which let you program the image of your choice onto them. protects the chip maker from litigation
[16:45:00] Juski: yes I soldered it. no big deal
[16:45:00] Juski: even the softmods need soldering
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[16:45:00] Juski: told you... go look at the info – all your answers are there
[16:46:00] a1fa: :(
[16:46:00] scopeuk: Juski do they? though softmore could be done completly ly in software (excludign geting files onthe memory card)
[16:46:00] Juski: well to flash your own BIOS onto the onboard chip you need to bridge 2 pins on the board
[16:46:00] Juski: read the FAQs
[16:47:00] scopeuk: yeh to flash you own
[16:47:00] a1fa: which one is the best?
[16:47:00] Juski: best? depends. if you just wanna run linux, cromwell
[16:47:00] Juski: cromwell are the only ones on the right side of the DMCA
[16:48:00] Beirdo: yup, pretty much
[16:49:00] Juski: I won't talk about others here – it's up to you to find out
[16:49:00] Beirdo: atta boy :)
[16:49:00] a1fa: no which mod chip is the best?
[16:50:00] Beirdo: not here
[16:50:00] Juski: a1fa: which one has most / least flashing lights? all much of a muchness
[16:50:00] Beirdo: that's kinda on the grey area of legality almost, you might wanna discuss that in a non-logged channel :)
[16:50:00] Juski: as I've said 3 times now.. read the FAQs
[16:51:00] dev-: xbox-scene.com
[16:51:00] dev-: nuff said
[16:51:00] dev-: go read :P
[16:51:00] a1fa: ihrtfm
[16:51:00] Beirdo: ts
[16:51:00] Juski: ppfft
[16:52:00] Beirdo: (ts = tough s$$$)
[16:52:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:52:00] a1fa: hehe
[16:52:00] a1fa: :(
[16:53:00] a1fa: how about xenium spice?
[16:53:00] Juski: there are those who can, and do.. then there are those who won't, and shouldn't. After that the lazy buggers remain
[16:53:00] Juski: a1fa: how about dropping the subject now and making your own mind up hmm? ;-)
[16:54:00] a1fa: :(
[16:54:00] a1fa: i dont know what to pick man
[16:54:00] a1fa: there are 50 choices
[16:54:00] a1fa: i dont want to pick the shittiest
[16:54:00] a1fa: 1/50
[16:54:00] a1fa: my chances are 1/50
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[16:55:00] Juski: read reviews, etc
[16:55:00] dev-: you dont know how to read and form a conclusion? didnt they teach that in 8th grade?
[16:55:00] a1fa: no :)
[16:55:00] Beirdo: Hmmm, maybe we should add to the channel FAQ about xbox modchips being more legal grey area that should be avoided here.
[16:55:00] dev-: if you cant even figure out what modchip you're going to get, you will never, ever, figure out how to mod it and update the bios and load a dashboard
[16:55:00] a1fa: my reading comprenhension is below 1st grade
[16:56:00] dev-: so just give up and shoot yourself now.
[16:56:00] ** a1fa shoots dev-, dang i missed ;P **
[16:56:00] ** Juski reloads **
[16:56:00] ** ivor whips out the crossbow. **
[16:56:00] Juski: </safety>
[16:57:00] a1fa: imma gonna go pick me up an xbox ;P
[16:57:00] dev-: k
[16:57:00] Beirdo: have fun
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[16:57:00] a1fa: gotta figure out what revision it is first
[16:57:00] dev-: good luck.
[16:57:00] dev-: it requires 'reading'
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[16:58:00] Juski: oh no. don't you go asking me how ebay works again, guy who sits near me. argghhhh
[16:59:00] ** Beirdo hands Juski the clue-bat **
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[17:00:00] Juski: heh
[17:01:00] Juski: I should be embarrassed I can be so rude to people
[17:01:00] scopeuk: heh dotn be some people deserve it
[17:02:00] RaYmAn-Bx: anyone here run myth on a via epia with a hauppauge pvr-500 card? :)
[17:04:00] Juski: some folks do. I've seen webpages describing that setup
[17:05:00] RaYmAn-Bx: I've been trying to get it working for a couple of days now..Still no luck..Although, that's no fault of mythtv since it's still problems with actually getting the card to work.
[17:05:00] Beirdo: OK, I think it's time to tell my backups not to backup /var/log/ppp on my firewall :)
[17:06:00] Juski: RaymAn-Bx: what kinda problems you having? can't cat /dev/video0 ?
[17:06:00] RaYmAn-Bx: Juski: yeah..it gives 0-byte files and a couple of DMA warnings from ivtv
[17:07:00] Juski: ouch
[17:07:00] Juski: you tried that lame-sounding i-media distro for epia & hauppauge cards?
[17:08:00] RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, can't say I have. Never actually heard of it either
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[17:10:00] RaYmAn-Bx: doesn't mention pvr-500 cards though..but it's worth a try I guess
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[17:10:00] Juski: http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.17/it.A/id.421/.f
[17:11:00] Juski: 128MB download... worth a shot I think
[17:11:00] RaYmAn-Bx: definitely
[17:14:00] RaYmAn-Bx: thanks
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[17:14:00] ** coffee88 gets really grumpy when sshd somehow gets borked on a headless box that's tucked way in an inconveinent corner.... **
[17:14:00] scopeuk: coffee88 dont we all
[17:15:00] coffee88: Grrrrrr.
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[17:15:00] praet: Link: gives monster meat to coffee88
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[17:18:00] scopeuk: yay finaly fixed my sound :-p
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[17:19:00] a1fa: burn baby burn
[17:19:00] ** scopeuk is lovign myth :D **
[17:20:00] a1fa: lovign?
[17:20:00] Juski: everyone loves myth when it works
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[17:20:00] Juski: apart from VDR users, but there's no helping them now
[17:20:00] scopeuk: Juski think it is finaly working here
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[17:22:00] scopeuk: jsut need to asign a front end now
[17:22:00] scopeuk: god help me
[17:22:00] scopeuk: was trying to use win myth but its dead
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[17:22:00] scopeuk: i sposedly have a compatable version for my knoppmyth instalation but tis prety damn screwed
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[17:24:00] Juski: winmyth... dead donkey
[17:24:00] scopeuk: yeh it should be quicker than knoppmyth in an emulator
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[17:26:00] a1fa: lol
[17:26:00] a1fa: win mythtv?
[17:27:00] Juski: might be time to experiment with python
[17:27:00] ** a1fa gonna go buy xbox right now **
[17:27:00] a1fa: later bis
[17:31:00] Juski: hmmm. connect to mysql DB.. get list of channels... tell myth to start recording, live tv style.. play the file over a network share... erm.. oh bugger now I'm lost.
[17:31:00] Juski: be easier to make a playback only frontend ;-)
[17:32:00] scopeuk: thats what it will be
[17:32:00] scopeuk: i only have oen tuner
[17:32:00] Juski: I only have three tuners
[17:32:00] scopeuk: i need seperate backend and front end to be able to watch live tv lol
[17:33:00] Juski: can livetv please be ditched in 0.20 ? ;-)
[17:33:00] scopeuk: can do for me
[17:34:00] macroexp: i probably only watch live tv 10–15% of the time but... why kill it off? it's not much different than recordings now anyways, under the covers at least
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[17:35:00] Beirdo: Juski: why get rid of it? just stop using it :)
[17:35:00] macroexp: can you hide it via skinning?
[17:35:00] Juski: skinning? skinning who?
[17:35:00] Beirdo: sorry, I don't skin animals, couldn't say
[17:35:00] macroexp: the app!
[17:36:00] Juski: you can't skin mythtv.
[17:36:00] Juski: you can _theme_ mythtv
[17:36:00] macroexp: oh, same difference
[17:36:00] ** coffee88 ducks **
[17:36:00] Juski: skins are what lame 13 year old kids draw for winamp
[17:36:00] Juski: ;-)
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[17:36:00] macroexp: ok. can you hide live tv via a theme?
[17:36:00] Beirdo: and what trappers do to unfortunate animals :)
[17:36:00] macroexp: :)
[17:37:00] Juski: hmmm...
[17:37:00] ** Juski edits theme.xml to see what happens **
[17:37:00] Beirdo: heh
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[17:38:00] Beirdo: bless you
[17:38:00] Juski: nope
[17:39:00] jams: your looking to remove the option for live-tv from the menu?
[17:39:00] Juski: yes, if possible.. dunno if you can do it just by editing the xml though
[17:40:00] jams: mainmenu.xml
[17:41:00] Dibblah_: Of course you can skin Myth. The result isn't pretty, though. It's just skin and bones – Without the skin.
[17:41:00] Chutt: no muscle?
[17:41:00] ** Juski goes off to find an example mainmenu.xml file **
[17:42:00] jams: or make your own theme for the interface. I suggest making your own copy of the default files and making your own theme. That way you don't have to worry about it being over written.
[17:42:00] Dibblah_: Damn these pedants.
[17:42:00] jams: Juski- /usr/local/share/mythtv/
[17:42:00] Dibblah_: ... Or just edit it in the user directory, which probably makes more sense.
[17:42:00] jams: or /usr/share/mythtv where ever you have it installed.
[17:43:00] Juski: ahhh!
[17:44:00] Juski: cool.. that'll be one less keypess to watch recordings then ;-)
[17:44:00] jams: the dvr theme might already have what you want.
[17:44:00] Juski: but I like my theme
[17:44:00] jams: those files define what is displayed and in what order.
[17:46:00] Juski: I never even thought of going up a directory from 'themes'. duh
[17:46:00] jams: Juski- there is the appearance themeand then the menu theme.
[17:46:00] Juski: erm...
[17:47:00] Juski: so the appearance theme is in /usr/share/mythtv/themes
[17:47:00] Juski: and menu themes are in /usr/share/mythtv/ ?
[17:48:00] Juski: or can you roll up menu order into an appearance theme too?
[17:48:00] jams: the theme you worked on is the appearance theme. Take a look under general -> appearance. That is where you can set the menu theme.
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[17:48:00] Juski: clasic / default ?
[17:48:00] jams: yes those guys
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[17:49:00] Juski: never been a fan of 'classic'
[17:49:00] jams: if you look under /usr/share/mythtv/themes you will see a classic dir.
[17:49:00] Juski: ahhh
[17:49:00] jams: the xml files in /usr/share/mythtv are just the default ones to use.
[17:50:00] Juski: so could I add another directory called say 'nolivetv' and be able to select it ?
[17:50:00] jams: yep
[17:50:00] Juski: interesting
[17:50:00] jams: well after you copy in the xml files
[17:50:00] Juski: of course.. that's really cool though
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[17:51:00] jams: There is a DVR theme that you *should* have
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[17:52:00] jams: yes DVR is in svn
[17:52:00] Juski: that's a good point. I'll try that out when I get home
[17:53:00] Juski: I wondered what that was for, actually
[17:54:00] jams: Not many menu themes out there.
[17:55:00] Juski: true. I'll just edit my mainmenu.xml file on the frontend to lose the livetv option
[17:56:00] Juski: the backend can keep it though, useful for testing
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[18:06:00] Spunx: hi i am a dumbass why cant i hear any sound. lol
[18:07:00] Spunx: i am not deaf!
[18:07:00] Juski: step away from the computer
[18:07:00] Spunx: i am on a phone
[18:07:00] Juski: yikes
[18:08:00] Spunx: what cant myth run on a phone?
[18:08:00] Spunx: lol
[18:08:00] Juski: it can, if the phone has enough CPU
[18:09:00] Juski: erm.. probably could I mean..
[18:09:00] Juski: anyway.. hometimeski
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[18:10:00] Spunx: woot
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[18:13:00] scopeuk: that was distinctly random
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[18:21:00] crayzee: I have just got a Freecom DVB-T USB card, and have successfully made a channels.conf file from it and tuned into a few different channels using mplayer. However, mythtv-setup will not scan. Is this the drivers fault?
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[18:24:00] AranC23: crayzee: what version of mythtv are we talking about?
[18:30:00] Brov: Does anyone here use Myth Browser
[18:32:00] Brov: I want http://www.guitaretab.com/l/led-zeppelin/21671.htm to appear properly, but I guess no fixed pitch font is selected or available, how do I remedy this? (linux newbie-ish)
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[18:35:00] Dibblah_: Pick a better site. Popups AND popunders.
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[18:36:00] Dibblah_: Brov: Look here: http://www.guitaretab.com/style.css
[18:36:00] Dibblah_: And install the right fonts.
[18:37:00] Dibblah_: Not that I'm suggesting that it's the right way to do it – The site design sucks.
[18:37:00] Dibblah_: Specifying everything as pixel widths is so '90s...
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[18:41:00] xris: Dibblah_: sometimes have to if you have images in your design.
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[18:42:00] xris: and using css to control widths like that SUCKS if you have dynamically-loaded images...
[18:42:00] crayzee: AranC23, 0.18. But I got it working in the end – All the auto options didnt work so I set them all to those out of channels.conf and then it worked fine
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[18:49:00] gremlin484: Anyone know how to build a "User Job" that will transcode a recorded nuv to vcd ( or dvd ) format so it can be burned later?
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[18:56:00] adante: where are the settings for auto-expire space and frequency?
[18:56:00] adante: set them ages ago but can't seem to find them
[18:57:00] scopeuk: wow sytem load 4.0 means playback jerks
[18:59:00] scopeuk: bblall
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[19:01:00] laga: re
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[19:06:00] Jasper: hmm
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[19:10:00] Jasper: hmmm is transcode a option for mythtv? at install or?
[19:10:00] praet: i just want to say that the team that worked on mythweb did an amazing job
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[19:12:00] macroexp: praet, i agree... when i demo my mythtv setup to tivo owners it always blows them away... green with envy, one might say...
[19:14:00] Niklas_E: does mythtv work with dvb-s cards like twinhan? When I added support for dvb and adds the card and imports channels.conf from when I done scan dvt-s/Astra.... but I think it can't lock to any channels. I can use szap -r channelname and watch a channel with mplayer though
[19:14:00] praet: it even impressed the non-techie crowd
[19:17:00] macroexp: "it skips commercials automatically?? wow....."
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[19:20:00] scopeuk: ok i ve tried googling for this with no luck can any one tell me whaterror 512 from xl tv means and if nessasery how i can fix it
[19:20:00] scopeuk: xmltv*
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[19:21:00] Juski: I thought you'd already sorted yer tv grabber out
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[19:22:00] scopeuk: it grabs channels but it spits that erro at me in myth web
[19:22:00] scopeuk: and it dident seam to update last tiem i ran it
[19:22:00] scopeuk: it being mythfilldatabase
[19:22:00] Juski: pop your files into a pastebin, and a listing of your channels table will help
[19:23:00] scopeuk: ok where can i fidn that mysql?
[19:23:00] scopeuk: and which files will you need
[19:23:00] Juski: ~/.mythtv/<videosourcename>.xmltv
[19:23:00] scopeuk: ok
[19:23:00] Juski: and the mysql you'll need:
[19:23:00] Jasper: juski is there any way to see if transcoding worked/completed?
[19:24:00] Juski: mysql -u root -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM channel;" should do the trick
[19:24:00] laga: Juski: found a hotel?
[19:24:00] Juski: Jasper: in the status page within the information centre
[19:24:00] Juski: laga: no not yet
[19:24:00] Jasper: ah k
[19:24:00] Juski: doing my banking right now
[19:25:00] Juski: got a new account which my salary goes into but no bills yet get paid from it
[19:26:00] scopeuk: from my sql http://pastebin.ca/43389
[19:27:00] scopeuk: still trying to find the xml tiv file
[19:27:00] laga: heh
[19:28:00] scopeuk: now you know why i have problems
[19:28:00] scopeuk: im damn near useless
[19:29:00] laga: Juski: SWMBO said she would come along, now i'm scared ;)
[19:29:00] Juski: heheh
[19:30:00] jonK: hi
[19:30:00] Juski: well so long as she keeps up with the rest of us.. not that I'm hard to keep pace with like
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[19:31:00] laga: that's what you say ;). she said she was looking forward to meeting some real geeks o_O
[19:31:00] Beirdo: laga: you're taking the woman to a geek event?
[19:31:00] Juski: scopeuk: your channels table looks okay
[19:31:00] laga: Beirdo: she said she wanted to come along, i wasn't exactly inviting her.
[19:31:00] Beirdo: heh :)
[19:31:00] Juski: oh dear
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[19:31:00] Jasper: what geek event ?p
[19:31:00] scopeuk: whould the output of mythfildatabase be of any use?
[19:31:00] ** laga is gonna try to avoid it, though **
[19:32:00] ** Juski predicts an air of temperance prevailing over the event for laga **
[19:32:00] stevenm: Hi. If I upgrade from 0.18 to 0.19, will I lose all the previous recordings and database?
[19:32:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:32:00] jonK: If anyone's interested, was at Fry's over the weekend and they had a seagate 400GB drive (ATA) for 199, with a $50 rebate — good through tomorrow i believe
[19:32:00] Juski: stevenm: you shouldn't. but it's always wise to back up your DB
[19:32:00] Beirdo: laga's gonna have more fun than he should
[19:32:00] stevenm: Juski, cool... back up DB how? just copy /var/lib/whatever somewhere else?
[19:33:00] Juski: stevenm: mysqldump mythconverg > backup.sql (or whatever)
[19:33:00] laga: Beirdo: i don't wanna be responsible for sleepless nights ;)
[19:33:00] Beirdo: heh, yes you do
[19:33:00] Beirdo: depends on why sleepless
[19:33:00] Juski: heh
[19:34:00] stevenm: Juski, thank you.. and to restore, what is the command?
[19:34:00] scopeuk: mythfilldatabase output http://pastebin.ca/43396
[19:34:00] stevenm: Juski, just 'run' that sql file?
[19:34:00] Juski: scopeuk: this tells all: config file /root/.mythtv/Arial.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure
[19:35:00] Juski: stevenm: cross that bridge when you come to it
[19:35:00] scopeuk: ok sorry dident spot that
[19:35:00] scopeuk: thankyou
[19:35:00] Juski: should the mythtv docs be rewritten in the style of Dr Seuss or Janet & John, to help these guys out? ;-)
[19:36:00] Juski: right.. time to harrass wolverhampton tourist board
[19:38:00] scopeuk: damn --configure doesent work
[19:38:00] Jasper: hmm juski
[19:38:00] Juski: scopeuk: I know a hacky way to fix it
[19:38:00] Jasper: is there also any way to see how far it is with transcoding?
[19:38:00] scopeuk: hey hack better than no way
[19:38:00] Juski: vgb hhtbybb
[19:39:00] Juski: can't type very well with my forehead, sorry
[19:39:00] scopeuk: lol
[19:39:00] Juski: scopeuk: you know you have the xmltv ids in the channel table?
[19:39:00] laga: Juski: try the nose
[19:39:00] Juski: make a file in ~/.mythtv/ called arial.xmltv
[19:39:00] scopeuk: ill cheack back but yes go on
[19:39:00] Juski: and put the following into it:
[19:39:00] scopeuk: roger
[19:39:00] Juski: channel xmltv.id.blah
[19:40:00] Juski: for each xmltv id you wanna grab
[19:40:00] scopeuk: ok
[19:40:00] scopeuk: thankyou
[19:40:00] Juski: save the file, then runski mythfillski
[19:40:00] scopeuk: i thought the xmltv configurater one was meant ot do that
[19:40:00] scopeuk: lol
[19:40:00] scopeuk: :D
[19:40:00] Juski: it does, but if you have the k-no how...
[19:41:00] scopeuk: it asked me questions i gave it answeres
[19:41:00] Juski: laga: my nose presses too many keys at the same time too... :-(
[19:41:00] scopeuk: i kinda thgouh that was how it worked
[19:41:00] Juski: yeh well the goal of the --configure bit is to write an xmltv file
[19:41:00] Juski: saying channel blah
[19:41:00] Juski: channel moreblah
[19:41:00] Juski: channel evenmoreblah
[19:41:00] scopeuk: yeh il lcope
[19:41:00] scopeuk: i think
[19:41:00] a1fa: i just bought xbox
[19:41:00] a1fa: $200
[19:42:00] Juski: xbox ONE ?
[19:42:00] a1fa: wallyworld
[19:42:00] a1fa: yes
[19:42:00] a1fa: its a budnle
[19:42:00] a1fa: it comes with a game
[19:42:00] Juski: you was robbed
[19:42:00] a1fa: you think i was robbed?
[19:42:00] Juski: they're like £99 here, and computer stuff is usually £1 :: $1
[19:43:00] Juski: and if you think I'm gonna talk you through modding it... gerroff
[19:43:00] Juski: :-)
[19:43:00] a1fa: haha
[19:43:00] a1fa: i'll take it back
[19:43:00] a1fa: :P
[19:44:00] a1fa: get my full refund
[19:44:00] Juski: xbox360 is like £250 or so here
[19:44:00] a1fa: yeah
[19:44:00] a1fa: but that is pounds
[19:44:00] a1fa: i payed $179 for mine
[19:44:00] a1fa: plus taxes
[19:44:00] a1fa: $10
[19:44:00] Criggie: Juski: what currency is that?
[19:44:00] a1fa: pound
[19:44:00] a1fa: english pound
[19:45:00] Criggie: if its pounds then say 179 UKP
[19:45:00] Criggie: cos $179 implies someone's dollars
[19:45:00] a1fa: $ means us dollar
[19:45:00] Juski: the UK is one of the most expensive places to buy game hardware, too
[19:45:00] a1fa: yes
[19:46:00] a1fa: $1 ~ 2 UKP
[19:46:00] Juski: time for some AFK while I look at maps n stuff
[19:46:00] a1fa: so 99 pounds ~ $170
[19:47:00] a1fa: 179.00 USD
[19:47:00] a1fa: United States Dollars = 102.919 GBP
[19:47:00] a1fa: United Kingdom Pounds
[19:47:00] a1fa: there you go my little friend
[19:47:00] jams: if a color varation was to be done on the syth theme, what color would have more appeal blue, green or red ?
[19:47:00] a1fa: so I payed the same ammount as you do
[19:47:00] a1fa: oh.. excuse me..
[19:47:00] a1fa: i overpayed by 3 pounds
[19:47:00] a1fa: wooptie doo
[19:47:00] Criggie: a1fa: bull SHIT!
[19:47:00] Criggie: $ means dollar
[19:48:00] a1fa: yeah.. usually
[19:48:00] Criggie: the south african dollar is a $ too
[19:48:00] a1fa: when you say $20
[19:48:00] a1fa: means 20 dollars
[19:48:00] Criggie: a1fa: don't be an american-centric wanker
[19:48:00] Criggie: there's enough of them already
[19:48:00] a1fa: ;)
[19:48:00] a1fa: i am from Bosnia
[19:48:00] Criggie: correct
[19:48:00] Criggie: $20 means twenty dollars
[19:48:00] a1fa: yes
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[19:48:00] Criggie: just not what kind of dollar
[19:48:00] thechris: actually, it depends on the font. a S with two lines is supposed to represent a US Dollar
[19:48:00] a1fa: but when you say dollar we mean US DOLLAR
[19:48:00] a1fa: because it is the original f7&*&*@#&O&@( dollar
[19:48:00] thechris: but there is no key for that, just $
[19:49:00] Criggie: I wonder who had the original dollar
[19:49:00] laga: you guys suck.
[19:49:00] a1fa: and the euro has its own currency
[19:49:00] ** Criggie googles **
[19:49:00] thechris: a1fa: i'm pretty sure its not the orignal dollar...
[19:49:00] a1fa: wikipedia.org
[19:49:00] a1fa: Juski : http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi
[19:49:00] a1fa: fwi
[19:52:00] Criggie: Bohemia – 1518 – was the first country to use a "dollar"
[19:52:00] Criggie: dollar \dol"lar\, n. [D. daalder, LG. dahler, G. thaler, an
[19:52:00] Criggie: abbreviation of Joachimsthaler, i. e., a piece of money first
[19:52:00] Criggie: coined, about the year 1518, in the valley (G. thal) of St.
[19:52:00] Criggie: Joachim, in Bohemia. See {Dale}.]
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[19:58:00] russ: hey people
[19:59:00] russ: anyone every have problems w/capturing SDTV off a DCT6200?
[19:59:00] russ: ever*
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[20:00:00] russ: HDTV captures fine for channels that aren't encrypted, but for some reason, the SD channels have a weird sync issue, and have all sorts of prebuffering
[20:02:00] Juski: a1fa: I know about xe.com
[20:02:00] Juski: but every time I look at hardware prices in the US, I can take the US$ price, look up the UK price, and the numbers almost match
[20:03:00] _bobbyz: Hey, what's the economy-priced hardware capture card of choice these days? Still the pvr-250?
[20:03:00] laga: bomba: pvr 150/500
[20:03:00] laga: err, _bobbyz, sorry
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[20:04:00] _bobbyz: ahh gotcha
[20:04:00] _bobbyz: thanks
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[20:07:00] bobbyz: are there any good places to find either of those cheap online, or should I just ebay one?
[20:08:00] russ: check pricewatch.com
[20:08:00] bobbyz: russ: thanks
[20:08:00] russ: no prob
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[20:08:00] russ: now if i could only get my setup working 100%
[20:08:00] russ: w/out having to install my pvr250
[20:09:00] bobbyz: you don't want to use your pvr card?
[20:09:00] russ: i'm doing firewire capture off my HD cable box
[20:09:00] russ: and the funny thing is, HD works great, but regular tv doesn't
[20:09:00] bobbyz: hehe, well if you get it working feel free to send the pvr this way  :P
[20:09:00] russ: even though they both come from the same input
[20:09:00] russ: haha
[20:09:00] russ: i'm gonna hold onto it
[20:10:00] russ: cuz my roommate may not like the transition to myth
[20:10:00] russ: so, i may need multiple tuners
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[20:10:00] bobbyz: fair enough
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[20:11:00] bobbyz: besides the remote control, what's the difference between a pvr-250 and a pvr-150?
[20:11:00] russ: not a clue... i've had my 250 for a couple years now
[20:11:00] russ: so i haven't really shopped around
[20:12:00] russ: hrm.. i wonder if SD is trying to be upscaled to my screen size
[20:12:00] bobbyz: ok, just curious  :) I'm on the manufacturer website, but I can't really tell the differences between the two
[20:13:00] russ: hrm.. does the 150 have an ir blaster?
[20:13:00] Juski: laga: just checked the website of the official lugradiolive hotel – they have availability apparently
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: bobbyz: From a users perspective t here is little difference
[20:14:00] laga: Juski: oh, cool
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: basically the 150 is replaced the 250
[20:14:00] bobbyz: russ: don't think so
[20:14:00] Dibblah: Anyone know of an easy way to stop porn appearing on the 'default' watch recordings screen?
[20:14:00] bobbyz: GreyFoxx: so as far as quality or cpu usage is concerned, no big difference?
[20:14:00] Dibblah: Err... I mean certain classes of recordings.
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: bobbyz: Correct
[20:14:00] Juski: laga: and the rooms are the same price as the 'special deal'.. just gonna check it's def. the same one
[20:14:00] russ: Dibblah: lol are you serious?
[20:14:00] bobbyz: GreyFoxx: thanks
[20:15:00] russ: Dibblah: maybe change recording groups?
[20:15:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... Possibly.
[20:15:00] Dibblah: Best option would be a 'parental level' like Mythvideo used to have.
[20:16:00] Dibblah: Can't visualise how to do it easily, though.
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[20:16:00] ** russ wouldn't know **
[20:17:00] Dibblah: Oops. ;)
[20:17:00] SlicerDicer-: is anybody famliar with mythstreamtv?
[20:18:00] ** russ used to use it w/mythstreamlive over to my pda phone **
[20:18:00] russ: via teh interweb
[20:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I am just trying to figure out if there is a config file I need to edit or something
[20:19:00] SlicerDicer-: cause its not showing up
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[20:19:00] russ: what's not showing up? in mythweb?
[20:19:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah
[20:19:00] Juski: booked up.
[20:19:00] russ: hrm
[20:20:00] russ: as far as i remember, it either replaces some of the default mythweb files, or you need to add the code to the php to add the menu
[20:20:00] a1fa: Juski kapish
[20:20:00] russ: but it's been a while
[20:20:00] SlicerDicer-: :/
[20:20:00] sandos: is there any webpage which lists hardware successfully used for mythtv?
[20:20:00] sandos: I think one of the links I found was dead...
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[20:23:00] bobbyz: so the pvr-150 mce version will work with mythtv just like the normal pvr-150, right?
[20:23:00] bobbyz: because I'm about to order one
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: yes, either should be fine
[20:24:00] bobbyz: GreyFoxx: thanks again, man. You've been very helpful
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[20:24:00] sphing: anyone managed to get myth on a ps2?
[20:25:00] Juski: sandos: if it's the list I posted by details for, it's not a very long list...
[20:25:00] Juski: sandos: your best bet is to check the wikis at www.v4l.org and www.linuxtv.org for details of tuners supported by Linux
[20:26:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: I've never heard of anyone even trying
[20:26:00] Juski: wb, gardengnome
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[20:26:00] Juski: like I said earlier, if anyone had done it, it'd be all over slashbot or something
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[20:28:00] sphing: I'm thinkings it a super small machine, that could run myth... and would like nice under a tv
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[20:28:00] russ: i got a big machine that runs myth and looks decent next to the tv
[20:28:00] sandos: theres a linux.version of ps2, right?
[20:28:00] sphing: yea
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: without hardware info on using the mpeg decoder playback on that would suck hard
[20:28:00] sandos: so if X works nicely it shouldnt be hard (for a frontend anyway?).. :) Im sure it is anyway, though
[20:29:00] sphing: the new ps2... is so tiny
[20:29:00] sandos: have a link to pic?
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[20:30:00] sphing: http://www.us.playstation.com/consoles.aspx?id=3
[20:30:00] nuxil: man why does it record everything i watch,, i just deleted 15 Gb of crap
[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: Did you leave LiveTV Running ?:)
[20:31:00] nuxil: yes..
[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: That's why
[20:31:00] Juski: whoops
[20:31:00] nuxil: oh,,
[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: And those would be expired when space was needed
[20:31:00] Juski: pass the clue bat
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: LiveTV is basically a series of recordings, but are at the top of the expire list when space is needed
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: plus they auto expire after 1 day by default
[20:32:00] sandos: sphing, wow that does seem small...
[20:32:00] nuxil: ic.. i can set the the space manualy it shall use?
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: No
[20:32:00] Juski: sphing: does the ps2 have real USB2?
[20:32:00] sphing: Juski: I'm not sure
[20:33:00] nuxil: so it just gonna fill up my hd.. man that suxz
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: They auto expire after 1 day, AND if space is needed for a new recording livetv will be expired
[20:33:00] Juski: if it doesn't, don't hold out any hope of recording on it
[20:33:00] sphing: but they have an IR sensor and its network ready
[20:33:00] sphing: Juski: o no, strictly frontend
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: You can set a minimum freespace value though
[20:33:00] nuxil: oh how|where
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: Go look in mythfrontends settings
[20:33:00] nuxil: i need a new bigger hd :P
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[20:34:00] nuxil: you see GreyFoxx i use to watch tv until i fall asleep.. that means its recording all nigh :(
[20:34:00] Juski: sphing: I mean, like.. have you even tried googling for that? http://www.eskimo.com/~totem/ps2_xbox.shtml
[20:35:00] sandos: its really too bad its not easier to use those small consoles as general-purpose computers.. cant beat the price...
[20:36:00] GreyFoxx: nuxil: So? Like I said, if space is needed it will delete stuff
[20:36:00] sphing: yea, the xbox is just LACKING in RAM 64 megs kills
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: The xbox = old n busted, msntv = new hotness
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: the msntv has basically the same guts as the xbox with 128Meg of ram
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[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: and no fan, dead silent
[20:37:00] ** gardengnome googles msntv **
[20:37:00] russ: xbox was painful to use as a frontend
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[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page
[20:38:00] russ: which is why i built a quiet front/backend for tthe living room
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: There was a hack the other day that does NOT require hardware modification to be able to put linux on it
[20:38:00] sphing: Juski: hmm sad... its so little
[20:38:00] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: helluva spiffy
[20:38:00] sandos: "Ever since then I have been buying
[20:38:00] sandos: them on eBay for around $0.99 cents" wooha? =)
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: gardengnome: yeah
[20:38:00] GreyFoxx: dirt cheap too
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: there was a rush on them for afew days after the hack news went out
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: but it's calmed down
[20:39:00] Juski: diddy lickle boxy thing.. and it's not fuglee either
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: I just picked up 3 of them for $28
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: 2 USB 2 standard ports
[20:39:00] Juski: what what what?!
[20:39:00] sphing: wait what?!
[20:39:00] nuxil: GreyFoxx got it.. but i need a new bigger hd anyway.. this is only 120Gb and i have filled 1/2 of it with music already
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: and if you want to do the hardware you can add a IDE port
[20:39:00] Juski: how TF did I miss that boat?
[20:39:00] GreyFoxx: and there are headers for an spdif port
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: Juski I was talking about it one day hehe
[20:40:00] Juski: go on – tell me it plays HD ...
[20:40:00] sandos: too bad Im not in the US, doesnt sound like something thats available here...
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Well, the video chipset supposedly supports xvmc
[20:40:00] scopeuk: sandos where are you?
[20:40:00] Juski: for less than $30 I'd pay the shipping
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: so I will find out
[20:40:00] sandos: Sweden
[20:40:00] russ: i highly doubt that msntv would be able to play HD
[20:40:00] scopeuk: ther are a bunch of people looign at getting some int othe eu
[20:40:00] russ: considering i had issues w/HD content w/a p4 2.8
[20:41:00] scopeuk: russ were you using xvmc?
[20:41:00] nuxil: sandos what isnt avaleble in sweeden
[20:41:00] russ: yes and no
[20:41:00] Juski: $25.. buy it now
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: russ: My XP2500 has no problem with HD, and that is without any mpeg decoding help
[20:41:00] sandos: msntv things
[20:41:00] nuxil: ic
[20:41:00] russ: it worked w/xvmc, but the menus were jacked
[20:41:00] russ: w/out xvmc, livetv stuttered
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[20:41:00] scopeuk: irc.toc2rta.com
[20:41:00] gardengnome: those msntvs may be perfect for a carputer.
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: and supposedly the video chipset and driver support xvmc
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[20:41:00] gardengnome: maybe even better than a openwrt unit
[20:41:00] Juski: $60 to ship to Europe, $25 to buy...
[20:41:00] GreyFoxx: but I'll be testing that to be sure
[20:41:00] scopeuk: then #msntv or if looking to get hold of one in europe #msntv-euro
[20:42:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: have you gotten them to run myth?
[20:42:00] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: i believe xvmc support for the intel stuff is not so great, i don't remember it exactly, but there was something about it on the mythtv wiki
[20:42:00] russ: GreyFoxx: are you using a DCT6200?
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: As soon as they arrive at my door (total of 4 coming) that will be my first project
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[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: russ: No
[20:42:00] sphing: aaha... 4 of them... goodness
[20:42:00] russ: i wonder if that's my problem
[20:42:00] sphing: I'm so jealous
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: I don't current have any incoming HDTV source, but I have sample videos for testing
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: 3 will replace 3 of my diskless pc frontends
[20:43:00] russ: ah.. yeah.. i could play videos
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: 1 for play/hacking
[20:43:00] russ: but live wouldn't work
[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: I don't do livetv :)
[20:43:00] russ: heh
[20:43:00] gardengnome: i so hope i can get these msntvs in germany
[20:43:00] russ: well.. i do :P
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[20:44:00] russ: but yeah.. my current SDTV via DCT6200 firewire issue is really bugging me
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: I doubt I wuill do it, but it's nifty that you just need to add an ide header to add some real drives :)
[20:44:00] Juski: hahahaha... how easy is it to haxx0r?  :-D
[20:44:00] russ: that thing have a vga port?
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Dead simple
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: russ: The lines are there, but you would have to solder on a port, and likely a resister for one of them
[20:44:00] sphing: why wont live work?
[20:44:00] russ: nice
[20:45:00] russ: sphing: this was on my old machine
[20:45:00] Juski: IDE header goes on J5J2
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Just need a rs232-ttl cable, plug it in and it's a simple matter to flasht the bios so you can gboot linux on it
[20:45:00] sphing: russ: I thought you meant the msntv's
[20:45:00] russ: sphing: nope
[20:45:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: link?
[20:45:00] GreyFoxx: scroll up :)
[20:45:00] Juski: it's got holes in the board for a HD15 socket, so vga may be possible with more haxx0ring
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: <GreyFoxx> http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page
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[20:46:00] sphing: sorry i'm in class and trying to pay attention
[20:46:00] MooingLemur: has anyone got two SA3250s working with 0.19? It works fine if I only have one firewire tuner, but if I try to put them both in, I can't get either to work (sometimes I get a severely corrupt picture instead of no picture though)
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.toc2rta.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2
[20:46:00] Juski: looks like it'll take firewire mods too
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: These are photos one guy took after he added a ide header and power port
[20:46:00] sphing: that page makes me smile
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[20:47:00] Juski: and if I'm not mistaken, what looks like a PCI header possibility
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[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: and the nice thing... dead silent
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: It is :)
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: people are look at that too
[20:47:00] MooingLemur: my current plan is just to have two backends, a firewire tuner in each one.
[20:48:00] russ: MooingLemur: that sounds like the way to go
[20:48:00] sphing: I want to build my parents a tv network... this is perfect
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[20:48:00] Juski: that intel chip in the middle of the board.. that looks very much like something a RAID unit I looked at today had
[20:48:00] russ: MooingLemur: is that cable box jsut a regular HD/SD cable box?
[20:48:00] Juski: intel 80215 or something... PCI processor chip
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: http://toc2rta.com/board.jpg
[20:48:00] MooingLemur: I was up til 5 in the morning getting a working myth box so that the roommates have some way to watch TV today :P
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: A good photo of the board
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: Plus on the forums someone posted an lspci output from when he booted up slackwqare on it
[20:49:00] Juski: heheh
[20:49:00] Juski: pwn3d
[20:49:00] russ: lol MooingLemur can you do livetv w/the SD channels?
[20:49:00] scopeuk: slack was booted off an ide disck on second header
[20:49:00] scopeuk: well should i say root was on the ide disc
[20:49:00] MooingLemur: russ: yep, they're from Cox Cable. I can tune any channel above 100 that I normally get, but they don't encode analog channels.
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[20:49:00] sphing: you have no idea how happy I am with this
[20:49:00] sphing: this is amazing
[20:50:00] MooingLemur: russ: that's what I'm using the IVTV cards for
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[20:50:00] russ: yeah....
[20:50:00] MooingLemur: so I'll have 4 tuners
[20:50:00] russ: but can it actually tune any of the <100 channels?
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: My frontends will boot of the cf card and nfsroot to my fileserver, but the spare dev box will have an ide header and drive
[20:50:00] MooingLemur: no, it doesn't send anything when you tune to a channel below 100
[20:50:00] russ: weird
[20:50:00] russ: my 6200 does
[20:50:00] russ: but the picture stutters like crazy
[20:50:00] gardengnome: i want an msntv, goddamit.
[20:50:00] gardengnome: now!
[20:51:00] Juski: how come they're so cheap, anyhow?
[20:51:00] MooingLemur: and you have to go into mythtv-setup or update the database if you accidentally enable/tune a channel below 100
[20:51:00] Juski: another failed project?
[20:51:00] MooingLemur: because the last channel gets stuck on a channel it can't tune
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: some places like bestbuy, compusa and such have them
[20:51:00] MooingLemur: and since you can't get to livetv on it, you can't change it :)
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: lots of people no longer subscribing to the msntv service
[20:51:00] russ: MooingLemur: i hear that... happens when i hit an encrypted HD channel on my setup
[20:51:00] Juski: muhahahaha
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: plus m$ is devoting resources to other areas so they are letting it die off
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: the thing I really like is that you can do it without hardware mods
[20:52:00] Juski: what? like getting their asses sued for building MCE into Vista? (crosses fingers tightly)
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:52:00] MooingLemur: I wonder if there are hacked firmware firewire cards that can receive an encrypted signal :)
[20:52:00] Juski: (other PVR software is available.. cough)
[20:53:00] russ: i've read about people calling up the cable company and getting them to turn off encryption
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: My first 2 goals when it hits my doorstep is X, then myth, then lots of other fun
[20:53:00] MooingLemur: I don't get movie channels, and everything else is unencrypted (hopefully it stays that way)
[20:53:00] russ: i don't get inhd and discovery
[20:53:00] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: is X supported yet?
[20:54:00] russ: brb
[20:54:00] MooingLemur: sucks
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: gardengnome: to my knowledge noone working on it has bothered trying X :)
[20:54:00] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: oh, ok. :) i wonder if it'd support PAL well.
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: harden: The hardware definately does
[20:54:00] Juski: hey those ram chips aren't ROHS compliant. I dont want one now
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[20:55:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: so you'll be the first trying myth on it...?
[20:55:00] Juski: (narf)
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: but the msn provided bios only had options for ntsc... but that can likely be gotten around with a little work.
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: one of the first if not the first
[20:55:00] sphing: hmm I think I can muster up $30 or so
[20:55:00] Juski: should be easy if they used a common or garden TV encoder
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[20:55:00] Juski: it's a conexant something or other
[20:55:00] sphing: alright class is over
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: connexant chip. cx25873 I think
[20:55:00] laga: cool
[20:55:00] MooingLemur: too bad my projector is only 576p.
[20:56:00] sphing: be back later
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[20:56:00] Juski: 25873 you say... we got data for them at work
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: Oh?......something you can share ?
[20:56:00] nuxil: is there a shoutcast plugin for mythtv?
[20:56:00] ** laga ses GreyFoxx drool ;) **
[20:57:00] scopeuk: nuxil not yet
[20:58:00] nuxil: ok.. shoutcast has alot of great music tho
[20:59:00] nuxil: scopeuk by "not yet" does that means someone is working on it?
[20:59:00] laga: http://www.toc2rta.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3 – 'msntv2 in europe', for my fellow europeans
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[20:59:00] scopeuk: nuxil it means it may well hapen if it runs linux and a soudn driver exists then it could be done
[21:00:00] scopeuk: its x86 after all
[21:00:00] scopeuk: so once the sound driver is up and runnign it should be trivial
[21:00:00] ** Juski has dishes to do dammit **
[21:00:00] scopeuk: i belive there may already be souce
[21:00:00] scopeuk: Juski good luck
[21:00:00] Beirdo: Juski: do mine too :)
[21:01:00] nuxil: scopeuk woth?
[21:01:00] nuxil: scopeuk, its just a stream
[21:01:00] nuxil: even player handels it
[21:02:00] nuxil: *mplayer :P
[21:02:00] scopeuk: lol
[21:02:00] scopeuk: sorry what i menat to say is the devisound device in theory is compatabel wit hthe current kernal drivers
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[21:02:00] scopeuk: althgou h icant confirm or deny it
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[21:05:00] fir3st0rm: laga: thx
[21:05:00] dev-: what the hell is a devisound
[21:05:00] dev-: and what does it have to do with shoutcast streaming ;p
[21:06:00] nuxil: i dont know.. i was woundring the same thing
[21:07:00] nuxil: shoutcast streams are sort of playlists
[21:08:00] nuxil: scopeuk you should take a trip to shoutcast.com :P
[21:08:00] scopeuk: ve played with shoutcast before
[21:08:00] dev-: it doesnt sound like it heh
[21:10:00] dev-: maybe your devisound is misaligned with the doohiggy
[21:12:00] russ: i wonder if any channels over 100 tune properly
[21:12:00] dev-: would depend on the card..
[21:12:00] dev-: pvr250's have 125channel tuners
[21:13:00] russ: firewire via DCT6200
[21:13:00] russ: i'm having a problem w/non HD channels
[21:13:00] russ: which is weird
[21:13:00] russ: i wonder if upgrading might help
[21:13:00] dev-: it should tune them fine if the stp itself can tune them.
[21:13:00] russ: media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163
[21:13:00] russ: it tunes them fine
[21:14:00] russ: the video/audio stutter like crazy though
[21:14:00] russ: whereas the HD channels are fine
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[21:14:00] Juski: wow. you can add sodimm memory to the msntv thingy
[21:15:00] dev-: msntv...?
[21:15:00] dev-: are you converting to some crazy paralell universe or something
[21:15:00] russ: haha
[21:15:00] russ: read the scrollol
[21:15:00] russ: i think i might just install my pvr250
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[21:18:00] nuxil: anyone tryed this plugin with the svn http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[21:21:00] Juski: nuxil: minimyth (the epia frontend distro) has mythstream bolted onto it, and I've never got it to work
[21:21:00] Juski: it never crashes though
[21:21:00] Juski: I dunno if it fails cos the box has no gateway set up or what.. not bothered at the end of the day
[21:21:00] russ: i got it to work once
[21:22:00] russ: but it was kinda crappy
[21:22:00] russ: but then again, that was quite some time ago
[21:23:00] Juski: shoutcast has too many trance stations anyway
[21:23:00] a1fa: crazy ass ;P
[21:23:00] a1fa: winamp is all messed up
[21:23:00] russ: trance is so 2000
[21:23:00] russ: lol
[21:23:00] nuxil: Juski true :P i like rock
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[21:24:00] nuxil: anyway.. i gonna see if that works with the svn version..
[21:25:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody familar with mythstreamtv?
[21:32:00] zero_: nullman: I have it working with 0.19, I had to modify a bunch of the parsers to fit my taste, but it's working good now
[21:33:00] zero_: that was for nuxil
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[21:35:00] achew22: Greetings!
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[21:38:00] nuxil: zero_, ehh parsers? what you mean?
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[21:39:00] zero_: nuxil: you're talking about mythstream right?
[21:40:00] nuxil: yes
[21:40:00] nuxil: this one http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[21:41:00] zero_: it uses parsers for different types of feeds.. rss etc..
[21:41:00] nuxil: zero_ be nice to me.. it only my 2nd day with mythtv :P
[21:41:00] nuxil: and you done what to it?
[21:41:00] nuxil: maybe i can get your code instead then :?
[21:42:00] laga: GreyFoxx: thanks, i'm very excited now.
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[21:42:00] zero_: If i tried watching diggnation or some other video podcast it would download the whole file and then start playing. I set it up so it would just stream the video without saving the file on my hd
[21:42:00] nuxil: oh nice..
[21:43:00] zero_: It also had trouble figuring out what link was to the video so it needed a little modification
[21:43:00] zero_: but it works good for the most part
[21:43:00] nuxil: may i habe your changes?
[21:43:00] nuxil: *have
[21:44:00] zero_: sure
[21:44:00] a1fa: Juski
[21:44:00] a1fa: Juski, go juski go!
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[21:52:00] zero_: nuxil: untar in ~/.mythtv/mythstream, and don't forget to make a backup first http://www.myfilebin.com/userfiles/zerodivide . . . rsers.tar.bz
[21:53:00] Jasper: where can I find transcoded items?
[21:54:00] nuxil: zero_ thanks alot :)
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[22:21:00] ** coffee88 is abot to throw his gentoo box out the window after an apache upgrade totally boked the setup even after the RTFM.... **
[22:22:00] RaYmAn-Bx: just the apache setup or? It is rather annoying that they suddenly changed the paths for the config files.
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[22:29:00] Juski: a1fa: wtf you talking about?
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[22:29:00] Dibblah: Myth doesn't do mpeg4 (H264) HD yet, does it?
[22:30:00] stuarta: Dibblah, the underlying stuff is there in ffmpeg
[22:30:00] Juski: Dibblah: it could do, theoretically
[22:30:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i've heard rumours that the xbox is using the same tv-encoder chipset so you might wanna talk to the xbox-linux team probably ;)
[22:30:00] Juski: there's not much european HDTV yet though
[22:30:00] laga: i believe people played h264 recordings successfully
[22:30:00] GreyFoxx: It should be the same chip yeah
[22:31:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... Okay. Let's try it :)
[22:31:00] Juski: laga: xbox uses a few different tv encoders... one nv one.. one Focus one...
[22:31:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I'll definately be looking into that :)
[22:31:00] stuarta: at least you have a test stream on a satellite :)
[22:31:00] laga: Juski: but they're all supported, i think ;)
[22:31:00] Chutt: Dibblah, you'll need to enable aac support in ffmpeg
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[22:32:00] Chutt: i believe that that's --enable-faad to configure
[22:32:00] Chutt: should play, with that
[22:32:00] Dibblah: Disabled just because it's not needed currently?
[22:32:00] Juski: possible to get the xbox to output 720p, too by all accounts ;)
[22:32:00] Chutt: it's an extra dep and not used by anything in myth itself
[22:32:00] Dibblah: OK. Thanks.
[22:33:00] Chutt: the video will play without it, obviously
[22:33:00] Chutt: just most things use aac audio =)
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[22:34:00] Juski: wait a sec... I downloaded a few h264 streams... my 2800 athlon crapbox could play em with vlc
[22:34:00] Juski: just not QT or wmv.. but who cares about em?
[22:36:00] nuxil: lol ZeroDiv i forgot to edit settings.pro so need moving file in plaze manualy damn i hate that :P
[22:37:00] nuxil: *i needed to moved
[22:37:00] laga: editing settings.rpo..humm..that was pre 0.18, right?
[22:37:00] nuxil: im talking about mythstream
[22:38:00] laga: oh, ok ;)
[22:38:00] nuxil: :)
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[22:47:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... Of course, that's assuming I can find a test signal that's broadcasting :)
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[22:52:00] kgbudz: anyone here suffering from preformance problems with .19
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[22:52:00] kgbudz: among other issues?
[22:52:00] nuxil: nop
[22:52:00] kgbudz: i think it might be caused by running slaves
[22:52:00] kgbudz: but my myth is so slow, its unusable
[22:53:00] kgbudz: half my recordings cannot be found
[22:53:00] kgbudz: its pretty bad
[22:53:00] kgbudz: mythweb doesnt work either
[22:53:00] kgbudz: cause i have so many recordings, it breaks
[22:53:00] kgbudz: pretty much my entire mythtv setup is fubar
[22:54:00] AranC23: I find that in 0.19, mythweb is much slower
[22:54:00] AranC23: it seems to be that mysqld runs full bore for a while, then firefox... used to be quicker
[22:54:00] AranC23: other than that I don't have any issues with 0.19 that I didn't with 0.18, fewer in fact
[22:54:00] kgbudz: well, i have slaves
[22:54:00] kgbudz: and multiple TB of recordings
[22:55:00] kgbudz: like going around menus and everything is normal
[22:55:00] AranC23: well then... I have only ~400GB or so
[22:55:00] kgbudz: but once i try and hit my recordings
[22:55:00] kgbudz: everything slows down to a crawl
[22:55:00] AranC23: by everything, you mean the frontend?
[22:55:00] kgbudz: right
[22:55:00] kgbudz: who knows what the backend is going
[22:56:00] AranC23: well, the logs might tell you something, does the mythfrontend.log say anything of note?
[22:56:00] kgbudz: well, its been running for about 15 minutes
[22:57:00] kgbudz: and the frontend log is about ~10mb
[22:57:00] laga: does anyone have any experience with xvmc on intel graphic chipsets? just wondering if it works well with bob, kinda like nvidia chipsets do.
[22:57:00] AranC23: ahh, a little light reading never heurt anyone
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[22:57:00] kgbudz: backend log is already at 40mb
[22:57:00] a1fa: later
[22:58:00] AranC23: kgbudz: is this your first run?
[22:58:00] kgbudz: no
[22:58:00] kgbudz: been running for about a week
[22:58:00] kgbudz: its been like this since the start
[22:58:00] kgbudz: but as of late, its gotten worse
[22:58:00] kgbudz: like recordings are disappearing
[22:58:00] kgbudz: etc
[22:58:00] AranC23: I don't see how recordings would disappear, unless maybe you used the LiveTV profile for some of them
[22:59:00] AranC23: or you were out of disk space perhaps
[22:59:00] kgbudz: disk space is fine
[22:59:00] kgbudz: myth should be expiring shows when running low
[22:59:00] AranC23: well, livetv stuff gets expired sooner in 0.19, iirc
[22:59:00] AranC23: like in a day
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[23:00:00] kgbudz: like a new recording just got scheduled
[23:00:00] kgbudz: its in my recorded tv section
[23:00:00] kgbudz: when i click it
[23:00:00] kgbudz: i get an error, recording not found
[23:00:00] AranC23: well, if mythtv deleted it, it will be in the log and the entry on your frontend should have been removed as well
[23:01:00] kgbudz: it wasnt deleted
[23:01:00] kgbudz: i dont think you understand the problem here
[23:01:00] AranC23: possibly
[23:01:00] kgbudz: ive been running myth for a long time
[23:01:00] kgbudz: and ive never run into problems like these
[23:02:00] gardengnome: i believe auto-expire is on by default in 0.19. don't take anythign i say for granted, though
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[23:03:00] kgbudz: hmm, i think i have a lead
[23:04:00] AranC23: kgbudz: I've been running myth for a long time also (almost 2 years?) and I've never run into problems like you describe either
[23:04:00] kgbudz: alan, go figure
[23:04:00] kgbudz: like i said, my setup is not yours
[23:04:00] kgbudz: im running multiple slaves
[23:04:00] kgbudz: with multiple tb of recordings
[23:04:00] AranC23: except once, right after auto-expire was added it deleted all my shows...
[23:06:00] Rul1: bah my CA module has stopped working suddenly
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[23:13:00] Dulgon: Hi everyone. I can't get my DVB-S setup to work. It works outside mythtv (using dvbstream), but in mythtv my frequencies are screwed up (I think). Here is a backend printout: http://pastebin.ca/43444
[23:13:00] kgbudz: ok, i think the problem is limited to recordings from a few days ago and on
[23:13:00] kgbudz: and it seems like the end time of these records is before the start time
[23:13:00] kgbudz: ex: 5:59PM – 5:58PM
[23:13:00] kgbudz: thats quite odd
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[23:13:00] kgbudz: all the recordings before this are fine
[23:14:00] Dulgon: How do I have to enter those 11.8365 GHz frequencies into mythtvs transponder settings which only accepts 32bit values?
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[23:17:00] kormoc: Dulgon, you sure it only takes 32 bit values?
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[23:18:00] Dulgon: well I added alot of zeros to the number (until is was just Hertz as the unit), but he did not accept it
[23:18:00] Dulgon: Actually I do not really know what to enter there since the warning I get says (min/max:950000/2150000)
[23:19:00] akira: are there any digital tv capture cards available with linux drivers?
[23:19:00] FunkyELF: hey guys. I borrowed someone's camcorder because I wanted to digitize a video clip. The camcorder only outputs mono. Without buying a splitter, is there a way (possibly using ivtvctl) to record this from my PVR-500 so that the audio will come out of both speakers?
[23:19:00] kormoc: Dulgon might be in khz or mhz
[23:20:00] Dulgon: What also sounds strange to me is that the warning message cites "9738047" as the frequency ... which is a value I have never entered.
[23:21:00] Dulgon: I will give kHz und MHz a try, standby please.
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[23:23:00] FunkyELF: please, does someone know how to tell ivtv that I am giving it a mono input? or is there a way to do this to the mpeg after the fact?
[23:24:00] Dulgon: kormoc: Thanks alot!!! kHz worked!
[23:24:00] kormoc: yay :)
[23:25:00] Dulgon: What is crazy about it: The menu itself says that it wants Hz, and the channels.conf gives MHz.
[23:25:00] Dulgon: (which is therefore imported wrongly)
[23:25:00] Dulgon: Do you think I should tell the developers about it?
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[23:30:00] Juski: FunkyELF: you get stereo or stereo with ivtv I think... but try ivtvctl – that might let you change the input mode
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[23:31:00] kormoc: Dulgon, likely, http://svn.mythtv.org and see if there's already a ticket about that in already
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[23:32:00] Juski: FunkyELF: be easier to post-process the MPEG actually
[23:32:00] Juski: oops
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[23:32:00] Juski: he gone
[23:32:00] Juski: akira: www.linuxtv.org
[23:33:00] Juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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[23:39:00] Mersault: I just got mythtv up an running on ubuntu, and I'm just making some final tweaks. One issue is that there's a blue line along the top and left side of the screen when watching anything (this exists in mplayer outside of mythtv as well). Anyone else experience this and have any tips for getting rid of it?
[23:42:00] Juski: Mersault: talk about a FAQ... answers: overscan on your TV out and xvattr, as mentioned in the mythtv FM
[23:43:00] Mersault: this isn't related to overscan. although I could 'overscan' the problem away, that isn't quite what I'm hoping for
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[23:43:00] Beirdo: Juski, feel free to add it to the channel FAQ :)
[23:43:00] Juski: uh... don't make me edit a wiki.. I'm bloody useless at that
[23:44:00] Juski: Mersault: in that case, xvattr is your friend
[23:44:00] Juski: once the blue line disappears you'll still have a gap to fill somehow ;)
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[23:44:00] Mersault: ah, alright.
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