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Wednesday, February 22nd, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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coochan:

is there a torrentcracy patch for using with 0.19?

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coochan:

meh, forget it, I don't want it anyhhow

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k-man__:

is there any difference in the ability of one DVB card to receive poor signals versus another card?

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k-man__:

i know with digital set top boxes some are much better at dealing with poor signals than others, but is that the case with digital capture cards?

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sphing:

is there a way to adjust the nice value of mythcommflag

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Captain_Murdoch:

look in mythtv-setup on the jobqueue setup page and you can set the cpu usage to High, Medium, or Low (the default)

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sphing:

its already low

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sphing:

but the nice is -3

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Captain_Murdoch:

so do you want to adjust it up or down. if you have the JobQueue cpu set on Low then mythcommflag runs at a nice(17) level

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sphing:

which causes studder on my frontend... but if i renice it to 19.. the studdering stops

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sphing:

Captain_Murdoch: is it machine specific... ?

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Captain_Murdoch:

where is mythcommflag running?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes

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amy-21:

Hi all...I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as in another step to try to fix a bit of a jitter (kind of looks like a sync problem) with my fx 5200 svideo output

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sphing:

ah.. thats why

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sphing:

lets see on my backend

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amy-21:

I have tried a ton ot stuff

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Captain_Murdoch:

because some people like me have a dedicated machine for running mythjobqueue for transcoding and commercial flagging jobs so we run the jobs full-speed

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sphing:

Captain_Murdoch: yea I just made an extra machine that... I need to set that up

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sphing:

amy-21: does it always happen?

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sphing:

amy-21: I have the same problem... but only when its running mythcommflag

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amy-21:

yea it is always happening

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amy-21:

i dont have any flagging going on

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amy-21:

i can actually see these lines when i am in X

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sphing:

Captain_Murdoch: sure enough it was on medium not low

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amy-21:

they are just not as noticable until i am watching live tv...or a recording

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sphing:

amy-21: fe/be machine or only fe

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphing: medium doesn't sleep every frame like Low does, so on medium it just runs full-speed but niced. on High it's full-speed with no nice and on Low it's niced and sleeps a little every frame.

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amy-21:

fe/be

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sphing:

Captain_Murdoch: I manually reniced it to 19 and it the stopped... so we'll see

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Chutt:

Captain_Murdoch, looks like you were right about the caching stuff. =)

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Chiphead:

can anyone point me to info dealing with channel guide being off by 1 hour for SOME but not ALL channels?

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amy-21:

It is a setup that i did by knoppmyth

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Captain_Murdoch:

Chutt: it's bit us at work a few times. I think I'm going to make it so that if the recgroup == LiveTV it always streams from the backend. Sound good?

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Chutt:

no

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Chutt:

that gets rid of one of the reasons i redid livetv :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

no? :) ok. fine by me. I have actimeo=0 everywhere at home.

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Chutt:

ie, it bypasses the streaming code

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah. ok. so someone can make a note on the wiki and howto then.

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Chutt:

'specially for the 'local backend/frontend

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, local backend/frontend will always read locally since that is in the Ringbuffer code.

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Chutt:

if it's streaming, how can you tell? :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

we check in 2 places. once in the player and once in the ringbuffer when we open. the ringbuffer was the original code then since the ringbuffer didn't have access to ProgramInfo info I copied the logic to ProgramInfo::GetPlaybackURL().

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Captain_Murdoch:

lsof -p <mythftrontend_pid>

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Chutt:

heh

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Chutt:

i'd just leave it out, unless it becomes a bigger problem

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Chutt:

i meant 'not forcing it to stream' by 'leave it out'

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. fine by me. I prefer it to read locally if it can.

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Chutt:

unless we could run a test, somehow..

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Chutt:

pop up a bigass warning..

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Chutt:

is the file size cached?

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Chutt:

we could compare the file size from the backend to what the frontend sees

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Captain_Murdoch:

be hard to, easier to just tell people to set actimeo=0 on their video partitions. it's not like we're rechecking attributes constantly.

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Chutt:

frontend should be >= what the backend has written

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I think the fact that the file size is cached is the issue.

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Chutt:

just do that when it opens the file

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Chutt:

if it's < what the backend has written, pop up a warning message

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, backend may be buffering writes a little, so we may never see frontend size == backend size

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Captain_Murdoch:

how would the frontend see a larger size than the backend?

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Chutt:

well, < within reason

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Chutt:

if it's written data since the frontend queried the size from the db

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Chutt:

or since the backend updated the size in the db

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, wasn't thinking about the DB size. people should turn nfs/smb level caching off anyway for the video partition. sounds like a lot of logic to put in and would complicate changeovers even more.

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** Captain_Murdoch risks life and limb by starting to upgrade Myth to SVN head 15 minutes before his wife's show starts at 8pm. **

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sphing:

o thats a mistake

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) hopefully Daniel didn't break anything today. not recording anything off the HD tuners tonight anyway that I know of.

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wega_:

i need help getting lirc to work. I start the service and try to run irrecord and it dies with the last 4 entries in /var/log/messages as 1.) lircd-0.8.0-CVS[3238]: lircd(userspace) ready 2.) irrecord: could not open /dev/lirc 3.) irrecord: default_init(): Device or resource busy 4.) kernel: lirc_serial: IRQ 3 busy

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coochan:

interesting about the nice levels

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coochan:

it sounds like if you have a single backend machine with plenty of CPU to spare, and you put the jobs at Low priority, they might even be running unnecessarily slow

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coochan:

wega_: something else is using IRQ 3 perhaps?

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coochan:

wega_: does procinfo say anything?

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Captain_Murdoch:

5 machines upgraded and back up and running and 8 minutes to spare...

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dev-:

coochan: no, scheduling doesnt work that way.

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dev-:

if nothing is useing the cpu mythcommflag will do its thing

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dev-:

if something requests cpu cycles, commflag will be quick to give them up

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wega_:

coochan, that command isnt recognized

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coochan:

dev-: it doesn't sleep every frame?

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coochan:

dev-: when priority is low?

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Captain_Murdoch:

coochan: yes. if you use the ~realtime flagging, the it will run at 1x speed anyway, but if you're not using the ~realtime stuff then you can adjust the cpu to fit your situation.

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dev-:

nice doesnt do anything special, perhaps setting that setting in myth to "low" does additional things, but nice itself does not make a difference in the program itself

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythcommflag _does_ sleep every frame when you have the CPU usage setting set to Low. It calls usleep(10000) every frame to give up cpu time.

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coochan:

I do the run realtime flagging, that it, it flags from when the recording starts.. but I noticed it lagged back farther than it oughta be to allow for buffers and such

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wega_:

lsmod| grep lirc returns "lirc_serial 11904 0" and "lirc_dev 12452 1 lirc_serial"

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Captain_Murdoch:

coochan: yeah, I need to adjust the sleep times a bit to allow it to catch up better. I noticed it lagging a little on my setup also sometimes.

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coochan:

Captain_Murdoch: interesting...

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wega_:

coochan, does that help?

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coochan:

Captain_Murdoch: sounds like I can just avoid it but keep the nice'ing by using medium

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coochan:

wega_: not really...

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes. the problem is that with some people's softare encoding, just a nice() without the sleep() can cause hosed-up recordings.

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coochan:

wega_: does lirc_serial report that it bound to the serial port properly after you load the module?

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coochan:

wega_: check in system logs or with 'dmesg'

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coochan:

Captain_Murdoch: ah, I guessed its something like that

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coochan:

it seems to me when I get a jutter or something it's generally based on a file getting closed or deleted; possible problem with jfs (my filesystem) or something

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wega_:

coochan: dmesg returns lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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wega_:

lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

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wega_:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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coochan:

wega_: that seems good

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wega_:

hmm ok

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coochan:

wega_: did you try 'fuser /dev/lirc' to see if any other process is using that device?

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coochan:

wega_: I'm kinda groping in the dark, I've only used lirc_i2c (hauppauge)

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coochan:

maybe irrecord doesn't like it if lircd is running?

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wega_:

coochan: i didnt know that onem and no one else is using it

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coochan:

try stoppiing lircd then run irrecord

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coochan:

fuser is key :)

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coochan:

'fuser -m <mount_point>' is another useful cmd, btw

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wega_:

irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)

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coochan:

ah, we get further right?

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wega_:

no

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wega_:

that was same

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coochan:

uh

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wega_:

let me check /var/log/messages, that was what i was quoting before

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coochan:

wega_: before you reported it said: irrecord: could not open /dev/lir

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coochan:

let me see...

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wega_:

coochan: that was from /var/log/messages and it still says that

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coochan:

wega_: did you check the dox? does irrecord want lircd to be running or not?

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wega_:

it wants it running

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wega_:

its irw that doesnt need it running

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coochan:

ah

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dev-:

actually irw needs it running

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coochan:

I would suspect irq conflict

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wega_:

really?

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coochan:

'cat /proc/interrupts'

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dev-:

yup

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wega_:

coochan: i get IRR=1

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wega_:

ERR*

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coochan:

seems wierd that irrecord wants lircd running but the function of that s/w it to generate a config file for lircd ?

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coochan:

wega_: which OS are you anyhow?

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wega_:

fc4

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coochan:

WTF is ERR=1 ?

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wega_:

CPU0

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wega_:

0: 578350 XT-PIC timer

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wega_:

1: 12 XT-PIC i8042

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wega_:

2: 0 XT-PIC cascade

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wega_:

3: 0 XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1

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wega_:

8: 1 XT-PIC rtc

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wega_:

9: 9495 XT-PIC libata

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wega_:

10: 642 XT-PIC EMU10K1

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wega_:

11: 143663 XT-PIC ivtv0, ivtv1, nvidia, eth0

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coochan:

wah stop!

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wega_:

12: 93 XT-PIC i8042

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wega_:

14: 81 XT-PIC ide0

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wega_:

15: 98744 XT-PIC ide1

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wega_:

NMI: 0

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wega_:

ERR: 1

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coochan:

voila

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coochan:

irq 3 is being used by usb

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dev-:

damn dude use pastebin

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wega_:

whoa how do you get that

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wega_:

sorry

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coochan:

wega_: the line that says "3: ..."

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wega_:

i forget that about irc my bad fellas

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coochan:

that's show what the IRQ 3 is assigned to

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coochan:

people who don't know the first thing about hardware or about linux — prepare for suffering

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wega_:

hmm ok how do i tell it no

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dev-:

lol

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dev-:

yell at it

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coochan:

hw-dependent

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coochan:

I can't say

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dev-:

:D

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xpis:

How well does mythtv handle two tuners with two different sets of channels? (one analog cable, one digital cable)

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coochan:

ususally bios configuration

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coochan:

xpis: pretty well

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dev-:

it handles multiple sources fine

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coochan:

xpis: I have that situation

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wega_:

i can't fix that in modprobe.conf?

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coochan:

in 0.18 it didn't work so great flipping back & forth on it's own e.g., from the program guide... but that's better (i hear — not tested) in 0.19

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coochan:

wega_: well, step back

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coochan:

is this an IR receiver, right?

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wega_:

coochan, yeah it sure is

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coochan:

wega_: what's it plugged in to?

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wega_:

a pci serial card

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coochan:

e.g., COM1, or COM2 --- in DOS parlance

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coochan:

or COM3 or COM4 :)

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xpis:

coochan: do you grab listings for each source?

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coochan:

xpis: yah...

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coochan:

xpis: it's kinda ridiculous because my one card (analog cable thru hauppauge tuner) is a strict subset of the other

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wega_:

coochan: i had trouble with the serial port on the motherboard so i thought i would try a PCI one

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coochan:

but I set up two lineups in zap2it

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xpis:

Would it handle it if only the digital listings were downloaded, and analog channels simply defined?

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wega_:

coochan: i would guess it is COM2

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coochan:

wega_: I think I can guess why you had problems with your serial card :)

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xpis:

coochan: how is your guide data merged? Do you simply have two of some channels listed?

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wega_:

coochan: the original

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coochan:

xpis: no idea

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coochan:

xpis: no, no dupes

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wega_:

coochan: you can see why i had issues with the original serial port on the mobo?

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coochan:

wega_: you can either (a) tell your USB to use a different IRQ, or (b) jumper or whatever your serial card to use a different IRQ

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coochan:

wega_: yes, I'm guessing irq conflict... altho...

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coochan:

IRQ conflicts are pretty rare these days, with PCI and all

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wega_:

coochan: i dont think i even have usb

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wega_:

hang on

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coochan:

wega_: hmm, linux might be confused... linux thinks you have it :)

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coochan:

xpis: it really all just work (TM)

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wega_:

no linux knows more than me :)

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wega_:

i have two usb ports

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coochan:

xpis: I woudl guess that maybe it could handle it that way...

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coochan:

xpis: I acutally manage my list of avaioable channels in zap2it, basically

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coochan:

I think I could do that in mythtv-setup as well

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coochan:

however, zap2it knows better than mythtv when channels move around

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wega_:

coochan: i have placed this line in modprobe.conf "options lirc_serial irq=3 io=0x2f8" for the PCI serial card. couldnt i just change that irq to one not being used?

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coochan:

or new ones added...

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coochan:

wega_: um, you have to change it to what the serial port you wanna use is actually using

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coochan:

e.g., that config has to match the hardware config

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coochan:

'setserial /dev/ttyS1' should tell you

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coochan:

assuming your IR recieve really is ttyS1, which I kinda wonder about

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coochan:

oops, lose

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coochan:

wega_: 'setserial /dev/ttyS1' should tell you ;

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coochan:

wega_: that is, if your really using ttyS1 — are you?

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wega_:

coochan: ttyS1 means??

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coochan:

ttyS1 == COM2

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coochan:

ttyS0 == COM1

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coochan:

etc

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wega_:

coochan: i think so, there are only 2 serial ports in this thing

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coochan:

bro, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html

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coochan:

come back when yo uhave more skillz

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wega_:

lol ok

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Beirdo:

stupid bot

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achew22:

hello

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** xris chuckles in anticipation of MythLogBot's replacement **

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achew22:

would someone be willing to help me with a mysql permissions problem?

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xpis:

Beirdo: so, have you had any luck with nuv2avi?

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xpis:

Beirdo: (are you planning on fixing the mjpeg stuff, or just forking the version that actually works)

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nasa:

Hi guys, I just was testing out xvmc on my system (hardware described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC and noticed that my cpu usage increased (over using libmpeg) by a percent or 2. I compiled this out of svn...

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Beirdo:

I haven't had time yet, no

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nasa:

Since the howto shows everyone else's dropping — why won't mines?

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xpis:

Beirdo: Also, how goes your pain relief? I would expect that by now, the worst is over.

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Chiphead:

can anyone point me to info dealing with channel guide being off by 1 hour for SOME but not ALL channels?

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fatmatt:

he1 what?

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fatmatt:

1

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fatmatt:

oh, 1 hour

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fatmatt:

line wrap...

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Beirdo:

heh, if the worst is over, I've had stubbed toes that were worse

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Beirdo:

ibuprofen really does a good job I guess

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Manolis:

What's the command to see if lircd is "seeing" your remote signal?

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Manolis:

Something like "m2" ... ?

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sphing:

GreyFoxx: you still have that vlc streaming scrip?

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nasa:

Manolis: you could use irw — see here (to start http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC )

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Manolis:

nasa: thanks, I'm just racking my brain for the command though, it worked so well but I can't remember it

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Manolis:

OH I think it was "mode2"

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nasa:

Manolis: yeah, that's it

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Shdwdrgn:

anyone familiar with automatic recordings not launching? I can record and playback from live tv, but if I sdchedule something from the guide, it shows in the recordings list but no actual file is created.

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Manolis:

Is it even possible to use a FIR Port with LIRCD ?

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wega_:

ok coochan: i can see that i am lost here

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Kyler:

Manolis: "The IrDA Physical Layer is totally incompatible with the DASK modulation used in IR remote controls. Thus it is not possible to use the same controller function for both FIR and remote control. However, practically all FIR controller chips do include some additional functions to support remote control."

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wega_:

can anyone help me configure a PCI serial card? I have looked over the Serial HowTo and I am lost still

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Kyler:

wega_: Which chipset?

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wega_:

the uart is 16550a

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wega_:

is that what you mean?

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Kyler:

wega_: Yes. Did you load the 8250 module?

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dev-:

good luck with this one

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wega_:

kyler: not sure how to do that

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dev-:

:)

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wega_:

dev-: give me no hope??

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Kyler:

wega_: "modprobe 8250" (There are lots of variables but let's start here.)

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dev-:

you people who expect to get mythtv working and dont know shit about linux, not even a little, take away all hope

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wega_:

wow :)

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wega_:

give people a chance

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Kyler:

You elitists who...oh, forget it...

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wega_:

kyler ty <3

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dev-:

Kyler: you should have been here early, all im going to say.

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dev-:

now you try and fix these dudes lirc problem for him.

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Kyler:

I've seen *way* more off-topic stuff here by "regulars".

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dev-:

this doesnt have much to do with being on topic

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Kyler:

I assume we're going to do something Mythish with the serial port...

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wega_:

kyler: i don't have anything labelled 8250 in my modprobe

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wega_:

yeah an ir reciever

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Kyler:

I wondered. O.k., if you're going to use LIRC you *don't* want 8250.

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wega_:

ok

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dev-:

Kyler: would you try to install windows, put on office apps, install a virus scanner, get the latest videocard drivers, install a few games, and tweak your framesize settings in windows, without knowing a single thing about windows?

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Kyler:

No, I wouldn't touch Windows.

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dev-:

though your preference in os wasnt asked, shrug, i bet you see my point.

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Kyler:

wega_: So how far have you gotten with LIRC? Do you have LIRC modules built?

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wega_:

yes i had irrecord running as well as irw, but i was getting inconsistent responses from key presses

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dev-:

i dont find it odd people dont know anything about linux when they try to install mythtv, but i do find it humurous that at least a fraction of the people who in this scenario, dont want to be bothered with learning the os they're useing.

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wega_:

i figured i would try a PCI serial card to try another serial port to see if I could get it working better

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dev-:

you can tell the ones that are actually trying to learn, asking intelligent questions, leaving the obvious crap out of the channel. *shrug* :)

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Kyler:

wega_: (I'm on the phone...)

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wega_:

dev: ever think it is hard to teach yourself this os?

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dev-:

no, i dont, because noone i know learned this in school — everyone i know personally learned the core os fundamentals on their own.

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wega_:

i do as much reading as i can but i get bogged down in things that i don't understand and eventually get very far away from the goal

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wega_:

just reading dox?

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dev-:

there are longterm and shortterm goals. having mythtv installed and working exactly as you like, is a farely long term goal. yes, but reading documentation and trying things out.

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dev-:

s/but/by

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wega_:

in any community there are plenty of elitists and those who want you to learn the hard way, but as a computer engineer, i enjoying helping others understand what i know when i bear expertise in a feild they don't

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dev-:

you dont learn linux in a day thats for sure, it does take time, and it takes effort.

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dev-:

anything worth learning takes effort, its not about being an elitist and its not about "the easy way" vs "the hard way"

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wega_:

yeah and to get to the point i am, i have learned quite a bit

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wega_:

so why dont you help?

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dev-:

if you dont understand that serial howto, read it again

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wega_:

i certainly can, but i also dont want to try things to hose up my system

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kgbudz:

does .19 support commercial cutting?

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wega_:

dev-: i'll let you handle this

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dev-:

yes

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wega_:

that's all you got for this guy??

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kgbudz:

how do i do the commercial cutting?

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dev-:

kgbudz: useing cutlists

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kgbudz:

right... but does it recut the mpeg file?

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dev-:

wega_: its been in myth for ages. its well documented, useing cutlists to strip commercials manually or transcoding them out automatically.

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kgbudz:

what if i dont want to transcode

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wega_:

dev-: my point exactly

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kgbudz:

i want to keep the mpeg2 format

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kgbudz:

but remove commercials for good

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: That's supported now as well

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wega_:

i thought you would jump him for not reading the dox on myth

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dev-:

wega_: ive dropped the appropriate hint to find out more detailed information

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kgbudz:

how do i do this?

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: I don't know about doing it "automatically", but you can go into a recording, go into edit mode and pull in the commercial list. Once you are happy with the cut points just hit X

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dev-:

kgbudz: nuvexport or cutlists in myth, both well documented

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GreyFoxx:

But first go into your transcoding profiles

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kgbudz:

i thought X transcodes?

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GreyFoxx:

Edit the "Automatic from MPEG2" one, and enable lossless encoding

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kgbudz:

k

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GreyFoxx:

then it will cut without actually transcoding

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dev-:

its not a good idea to transcode them out blindly ;/ the commflagging does make mistakes and you could lose an entire chunk of show..

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Kyler:

wega_: So...LIRC and MythTV...You need to get LIRC modules compiled and installed (but make sure the 8250 driver isn't already in control) and then configure Myth with a lircrc file.

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dev-:

show horses and fix wagons

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dev-:

oops ;p

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kgbudz:

does the myth job scheduler queue up jobs on the same recording

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kgbudz:

for example, i schedule a transcode, then a schedule a custom job on a show

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kgbudz:

will it queue the 2nd since its on the same show or will it possibly do both at the same time?

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GreyFoxx:

I've never tried :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've queued up several transcodes, but never multiple jobs one 1 file

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GreyFoxx:

nor have I looked at the custom jobs :)

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kgbudz:

right...

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kgbudz:

ya, i have custom jobs to move files around to different servers

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Kyler:

kgbudz: I schedule lots of custom jobs like that but I've configured my backend to run one job at a time.

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kgbudz:

make a torrent, etc

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kgbudz:

Kyler, i thought about that

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kgbudz:

but i have slaves too

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kgbudz:

i think you can make it so it does the job on the original host

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Kyler:

*Surely* the jobs would run sequentially...I'd hope...but maybe not...

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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kgbudz:

and then set the max to 1 job at a time

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: there is a config setting like that

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GreyFoxx:

I have both of those set

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kgbudz:

cool, i will have to play around with it

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Captain_Murdoch:

kgbudz: you can queue up multiple jobs and they are processed sequentially. 0.19 had a bug where if you ran multiple backends that the two jobs for the same recording could run parallel on the two backends, but that bug is fixed in SVN now.

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Kyler:

Note that you can also do funky stuff like force later jobs to block until earlier jobs are done. I've got code for querying the job queue somewhere...

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dev-:

all these .19 bugs fixed in svn, .19.1 soon? :)

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kormoc:

dev-, likely gonna be awhile

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GreyFoxx:

users can pull the 0.19-fixes svn branch though, lots of stuff has been fixed in both

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Kyler:

Speaking of running custom jobs...my backend is "running in modulated clock mode" because it's getting too hot right now.

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dev-:

GreyFoxx: what about people who dont use svn and just look to the mythtv.org site to use 'stable' versions... surely if there's decent sized bugs, you guys would want to post a .1 version — like 18.1

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kormoc:

dev-, sure, likely will, but look how long it was between .18 and .18.1

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dev-:

so about 15more days ;)

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GreyFoxx:

devel: If there are "decent sized bugs" sure, but what is considered a big bug by you, and one by me might differ :)

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kormoc:

dev-, I thought it was more like 2 months between the releases?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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GreyFoxx:

For people who want it now, they can pull 0.19-fixes, or wait and live with the problems

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: I thought it was much shorter than that, I think he's right... but then that was a long time ago heh

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

1 month, 1 day last time

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dev-:

GreyFoxx: having jobs run in parallel because you have split backends, wouldnt that be considered a decent bug? or what about livetv unable to switch between recordings?

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dev-:

svn.mythtv.org is full of those

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV? What is this LiveTV thing you speak of ?

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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dev-:

its this funky little menu option on the main screen :)

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dev-:

little used, apparently

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dev-:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV is so ..... 1950–1999

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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dev-:

you guys should remove it all together then! :)

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dev-:

oh wait, that might make myth suck

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GreyFoxx:

I would have no problem with that

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Kyler:

I sometimes remove LiveTV on my installations.

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GreyFoxx:

Heh, if it was up to me 50% of the various configurable options wouldgo away too :)

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quink:

any of you know where i can find the latest mythstreamtv patch?

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dev-:

some people with familes still need livetv, because not everyone go through and schedule recordings for everything ;)

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nasa:

Hi guys, I just was testing out xvmc on my system (hardware described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC and noticed that my cpu usage increased (over using libmpeg) by a percent or 2. I compiled this out of svn...

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quink:

livetv? just change the channel from myth

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dev-:

heh, livetv in myth

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quink:

nah

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Captain_Murdoch:

Use the DVR Menu Theme and LiveTV isn't even on the main page, it's 2 levels deep.

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dev-:

there is a bug affecting alot of people where livetv does not switch to the new recording when recordings cycle at :30 or :00

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kormoc:

nasa, so you compiled out libmpeg2?

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** GreyFoxx wonders how many of those people are using networked storage **

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Chutt:

dev, 'a lot' is overstating it

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nasa:

kormoc: no

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kormoc:

nasa, so what did you compile out of svn?

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Chutt:

it's just a few people being vocal :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

4 out of 5 devs agree, "it works for me"... :)

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GreyFoxx:

Hahaha

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dev-:

lol

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** nasa is confused — what do you mean by "compiled out" — I just added --enable-xvmc option to configure **

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dev-:

im not useing networked storage, though the frontends are seperated from the backends. i did try running the frontend on my masterbackend and got the same lockup

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kormoc:

<nasa> ... and noticed that my cpu usage increased (over using libmpeg) by a percent or 2. I compiled this out of svn...

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dev-:

so its not a network issue. i still havent tried svn though. just havent had the window to replace myth heh. thats how much i love it and how much its used here ;/

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GreyFoxx:

I find it interesting that there has been almost 3 times the number of mythtv downloads than there has been of mythplugins.... do most people not instlal the plugins at all ?

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kormoc:

nasa, did you mean you used the svn tree?

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nasa:

kormoc: I meant (if nasa would work on his english) I used the svn tree....

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, yup

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GreyFoxx:

weird

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, that's why i combined them into one download

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Chutt:

wasn't worth distributing separately

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kormoc:

nasa, ahh, well, XvMC is very dependant on your videocard and if your processor is powerful enough, it could be just faster

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nasa:

&& english is suppose to my my primary language...

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Captain_Murdoch:

Chutt, there is a bug in the MythPasswordDialog, you can't use it because of the virtual keyboard because there is no OK button. Hitting ENTER just pops up the keyboard. I was thinking of disabling the virtual keyboard on the passworddialog because it kinda defeats the purpose of it being a password if people can watch you "type" it.

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Chutt:

heh

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Chutt:

sounds good

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: Makes sense. and it saves from the old seperate compiles :)

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** GreyFoxx gave his two weeks notice today.... so I think I might play hooky from work tomorrow **

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, ooh, got a better job lined up?

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nasa:

oh, I misunderstood. I thought XvMC *should* help all nvidia cards by enabling hardware decoding....

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

all done and signed, just waiting for my two weeks to finish

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny when the cheque books come out when you give notice.... don't they realize that it's just insulting ?

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kormoc:

nasa, it doesn't do everything related to decoding, so it would be possable that if the cpu was fast enough that the benifits are negated by the passing the data over for the gpu to do it's magic.

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kormoc:

nasa, it's also highly dependant on the motherboard it would appear

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, mythdvd (as of yesterday) doesn't seem to want to play any of my DVD's :)

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** nasa learns something new, thanks **

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Juski:

yikes it's like 3am!

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Chutt:

at this point, i'm done with the live-tv switching bug, unless someone wants to actually help debug it.

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GreyFoxx:

It's reading in the info, but I just get a blank black screen

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dev-:

2006-02–21 22:00:37.282 Ignoring livetv eof in decoder loop

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dev-:

interesting

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Chutt:

dev, if it's not svn, it's not :p

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dev-:

this be fixed?

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nasa:

kormoc: I would guess it's the motherboard — as the cpu is only and AMD XP 1800+

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Chutt:

very well could be

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dev-:

would i have to recompile myth on all my boxes, frontends and backends, or just on 1 or the other? lots of boxes here heh..

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Chutt:

all of them

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kormoc:

nasa, yeah. xris' experences with xvmc has been vastly different then mine, and he has my old videocard. It's amazing, and the only difference is his is a 865 vs my 875 chipset, and he's using fedora and I'm using gentoo.

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Chutt:

db changes, protocol changes

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dev-:

ah, ok, how about mythweb?

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dev-:

or does it not care about protocol version

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GreyFoxx:

if the protocol changes, mythweb changes

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Chutt:

same

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dev-:

so there's a mythweb for svn?

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know, but xris would :)

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nasa:

kormoc: strange, won't think that would have made that much of a difference.

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GreyFoxx:

I just edit mythweb when the protocol changes and mythweb hasn't yet :)

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dev-:

Notice: This domain name expired on 02/11/06 and is pending renewal or deletion

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dev-:

heh, mythtv.info

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Chutt:

it moved to mythtv.org/wiki

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wega_:

dev-: Ok so i read the howto again, and i can't see how you get past an IRQ conflict

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xanderp:

looking for help determining what /dev my usb cdrom drive is please...

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k-man__:

anyone here using the marillat debs of mythtv?

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kormoc:

xanderp, might want to try a more general linux orientented channel

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xanderp:

couldn't get any 'love' over in #gentoo, usually have better luck in here so thought i would ask...

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Beirdo:

GOD Sourceforge blows

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Beirdo:

prdownloads.sourceforge.net isn't replying to me

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Beirdo:

but it works from my linode

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Beirdo:

I don't get it

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media_:

has anyone here used mythcontrol? There seems to be a lack of docs. :) I'm wondering how to figure out how it works.

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Nitro:

bleet

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wakko:

hello all

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wakko:

Quick question

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wakko:

Re-installing Knoppmyth – is it safe for me not to plug in a TV to the S-video on my Nvidia video-out card while I set up using a monitor?

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wakko:

Like, will it be hard to configure a TV if it is not plugged in when I install KnoppMyth?

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azap:

didnt bother me

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azap:

i plugged in the tv a week after it was on my monitor

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wakko:

so Knoppmyth does not only set itdelf up to attached video hardware, ignoring TV out if it's not plugged in on setup?

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wakko:

cool.

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DarkSalmon:

Installing mythtv from svn on a new machine.. seems to install fine, mysql database is created, but it contains no tables. tried installing from apt with same result. any ideas?

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Nitro:

haha, briand and xris

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azap:

i was under the impression that tv out really doesnt take configuring at all, its just outputting when you plug something in

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azap:

i could be wrong but it went fine for me

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azap:

wakko, to be sure, join #knoppmyth and ask

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xpis:

Nitro: just fyi.. xris!=xpis, in case you were getting us confused.

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wakko:

well, I guess the conf file for video out has to be set for TV out

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wakko:

I din't really know much about it

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wakko:

but I know that setting up the conf file for video out is a pain

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wakko:

oh – there's a channel? cool

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Nitro:

I believe you were helping me yesterday, wern't you?

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Nitro:

maybe I was wrong

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, are there any good dvd authoring tools available on linux? I don't really care how fancy the menus are. If I have a 3 or 4 episodes of a show I wanted to put on a single dvd and at the begining be able to choose which one to watch...is that possible?

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wakko:

question about partitioning SATA – I'm getting read-only errors when I go to partition

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wakko:

It's on SATA 0

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azap:

FunkyELF, maybe this? http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html

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Chutt:

anyone around running current svn and still seeing a problem in livetv when switching files?

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media_:

Has anyone tried, or know about mythcontrol? enough to give a very basic overview of what it does, or is suppose to do?

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Chutt:

uh, it allows you to set the keybindings for various things.

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media_:

chutt: some time ago someone offered $1k to allow remote control of a frontend, is this something else other than mythcontrol?

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Chutt:

err, yes.

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Chutt:

how does 'allows you to set the keybindings of various things' equate to 'remote control of a frontend' in your mind?

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media_:

chutt: do you know what the status is of that sub project?

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GreyFoxx:

media_: It's in 0.19

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Chutt:

i'm baffled, frankly.

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media_:

chutt: from a wording perspective of someone who hasn't paid much attention it can be confusing, especially since there is nothing in the docs about mythcontrol

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Chutt:

i just told you what it does

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Chutt:

i'm trying to work out how you can completely miss that

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media_:

chutt: I know, before that I was confused.

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media_:

myth control I thought was a shorted name for myth remote control

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Chutt:

i think you're missing the point

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Chutt:

why would you ask if it's something different _after_ i told you what it was.

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media_:

I understand now

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media_:

because I'm looking for a way to remotely control a frontend, and I had thought mythcontrol did that, but once the plugin was added I didn't find what I expected

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DarkSalmon:

i am getting this error when running mc.sql ... ERROR 1064 at line 6: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1 ... anybody know what this is?

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media_:

so I had been confused, regardless, I'll look for what I'm looking for again with a different name

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kormoc:

media_, There is no way to remotely control a frontend via myth right now

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: the Telnet interface

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** Captain_Murdoch telnets to his mythfrontend and starts a recordings **

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GreyFoxx:

NetworkControl

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, is that via myth?

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: the telnet interface is provided by myth, mso I would say yes

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, of a frontend?

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media_:

there's an option to allow "remote control of frontend" under the util->Setup->General, does this do anything right now?

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GreyFoxx:

Unless you mean no graphical means :)

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

we don't supply the telnet half though, that's left up to the user.

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, coolness, got a link to any docs?

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Captain_Murdoch:

turn it on, telnet to the port, type "help"

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kormoc:

DarkSalmon, you can likely ignore it, as it's for a newer version of mysql then you have.

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Not really, I just enabled it after Captain commited it and telneted to it :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah, forgot one step. restart mythfrontend after turning the port on.

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** kormoc shall play with it **

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GreyFoxx:

I've used it several times from home to fix something for the GF :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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xpis:

Nitro: yes, I was helping you yesterday.

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** Captain_Murdoch telnets to the mythfrontend in the living room to see what the wife is watching to see if it's safe to go downstairs **

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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media_:

telnet does work, decent, interesting. Could scare my girlfriend I'm sure at times.

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xpis:

Nitro: Did you succeed in compiling mythtv, so you can apply a patch?

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** Captain_Murdoch sets it to playback speed 1.1x so it will finish quicker so he can watch something else. **

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media_:

other than telnet there are no clients to access it, correct?

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Captain_Murdoch:

someone posted a mythweb patch in trac, but I'm not sure what it does

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xpis:

Has anyone heard of a PVR 150 going to 8 bit samples when its bitrate is pushed above 160kbps (below mythtv's forced mpeg layer2 minimum of 192)

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DarkSalmon:

ah. upgraded to mysql 4.1 and fixed the problem.

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nasa:

Anyone try the internal DVD player (with svn) — it only shows a black/blank screen when I tried it.

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xpis:

That is Nitro's problem. The only solution is for him to use ivtvctl to set the audio bitrate to 160. (option '|0x0090' in the ivtv driver)

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GreyFoxx:

nasa: Same here as of yesterday

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Shdwdrgn:

question: when I try to schedule a recording, mythbackend is giving an error that it could not find "input: Television"... Well I don't have a Television input, I have a Tuner0. Does anyone know where I need to go to change this setting?

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Nitro:

xpis Nitro: Did you succeed in compiling mythtv, so you can apply a patch?

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Nitro:

No, somethings wrong

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Nitro:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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Nitro:

nobody seems to be able to solve it

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nasa:

Nitro: what qt library do you have installed?

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Nitro:

looks to be 3.3.4

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Nitro:

I pulled the entire KDE Developer set

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Nitro:

/usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.4

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nasa:

Nitro: what does your /etc/ld.so.conf file look like?

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Nitro:

include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

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nasa:

Nitro: what distro you using?

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Nitro:

fedora core 4

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nasa:

Nitro: "cd /etc/ld.so.conf.d"

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Nitro:

alright

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** nasa not familiar with fedora — but can guess what the problem is... **

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Nitro:

ati-fglrx.conf mysql-i386.conf xorg-x11-i386.conf

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Nitro:

mysqlclient10-i386.conf qt-i386.conf

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rav3r:

i don't know what i have done, but i can't get videos to play now, could someone look at my log? http://pastebin.ca/42734

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nasa:

"vi qt-i386.conf" and post to pastbin

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Nitro:

it's just one line

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Nitro:

/usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib

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nasa:

hmmm.... that kills that idea...

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nasa:

Nitro: do "lsconfig -p | grep libqt-mt"

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Nitro:

lsconfig isn't a command

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nasa:

Nitro: do "ldconfig -p | grep libqt-mt"

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** nasa can't type **

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Nitro:

ldconfig isn't a command either

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Kelerion:

OT here.. but anyone any idea what vcodec I can pass to mencoder to get the best quality recording from a bt878 (it's for a cctv camera) at the absolutely lowest cpu usage? its a 1ghz processor so really smal

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nasa:

Nitro: do "/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libqt-mt"

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Kelerion:

whatever I try just keeps maxing out the video buffer

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Nitro:

libqt-mt.so.3 (libc6) => /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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Nitro:

libqt-mt.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib/libqt-mt.so

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rav3r:

i did chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend to help smooth playback, could that have hurt something?

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nasa:

Nitro: your system is finding the library. Not sure why it's not picking up when you try to compile.

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rav3r:

i think the big error is "mplayer: could not connect to socket"

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Nitro:

yeah I don't know nasa

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Nitro:

as far as I can tell it's installed

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Nitro:

but as soon as I try make on mythtv

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Nitro:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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Nitro:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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Nitro:

Boom, dead.

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nasa:

Nitro: my apologies. Wish I could stick around to help troubleshoot — but I do have to go. If you still have it tomorrow, we can work it

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Nitro:

No worries

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Nitro:

Have a good night

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nasa:

same to you

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rav3r:

anyone left? :)

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sanmarcos:

how do I watch an inproggres recording started before the frontend was executed'

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metusine:

recorded progs?

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sanmarcos:

in proggress

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sanmarcos:

ticket 1340 is killing me

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, under recorded programs, it will be listed and just select it like normal

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sanmarcos:

thanks

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kormoc:

sandos, as for 1340, it's in svn, so if it's that big of a deal, just check out the svn sources.

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sanmarcos:

svn head?

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, of course

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, as the ticket says.

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, actually, it should be in 0.19

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sanmarcos:

eh?

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sanmarcos:

1340 blocks live tv watching

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, the ticket you gave was closed a month ago, fixed for the 0.19 release

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sanmarcos:

it is a very ugly bug, and it started in 0.19

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

I'm looking at the wrong ticket

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kormoc:

nm

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sanmarcos:

yeah, I need a fix for it, anyways

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Dangermaus3:

anyone up for answering a few questions?

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Dangermaus3:

anyone got xmame working through myth?

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sanmarcos:

I dont think there is a plugin

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Dangermaus3:

huh, I just grabbed the latest iso and am just trying myth for the first time so I can't claim an expert, but the interface has it and there 's a directory for it under /mame/games/xmame

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Dangermaus3:

I think i've made a hardware mistake, I'm building on a Asus Digimatrix box. seems like everything is working 90%

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Shdwdrgn:

anyone know how to get s-video output from a savage-IX card?

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sanmarcos:

no

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sanmarcos:

google might

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croxis:

Yo, anyone active to answer a question on channel frequencies for a ati tv wonder?

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cesman:

howdy folks

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croxis:

hi

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chkno:

1) How should one capture the contents of the ringbuffer? 2) I made an attempt at this by just copying the ringbuffer .nuv file. Is this usable? How do I get the video out of it? (mplayer/mencoder can play/reencode the .nuvs of recorded programs, but they don't seem to like the ringbuffer file..)

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whyz:

hey.. i've got an (analog) bttv card installed. is there some way to search for the channels? or do i have to go frequency by frequency?

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croxis:

Yah there is

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croxis:

let me check 9i'm new myself

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croxis:

ok in mythtv-setup

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croxis:

4 input connections

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croxis:

your video source

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croxis:

and then the scan for cannel button

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whyz:

i don't think that works here.. i think that's US specific :/

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croxis:

there is another area to select what regional frequency

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hyperstream:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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hyperstream:

im getting this error upon 'make'

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hyperstream:

with mythtv source :

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hyperstream:

any ideas?

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hyperstream:

i cannot locate Xfree86-devel in apt-get

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phar0e:

mythtv!!!!!! hurray I love thee

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SlicerDicer-:

phar0e: could not agree more :)

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phar0e:

SlicerDicer-: I love you too

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hyperstream:

i love you all :)

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phar0e:

damn, some good vibes in here tonight, I like it

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phar0e:

mythtv brings people together

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hyperstream:

omg

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hyperstream:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm

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phar0e:

:<

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hyperstream:

dvbtypes.h:38:2: warning: #warning DVB API version < 3.1, ATSC over DVB will not be supported.

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hyperstream:

guess thats a no for mythtv for me :(

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phar0e:

huh?!

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phar0e:

do you do HD hyperstream

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hyperstream:

yeah HDTV

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phar0e:

what is ATSC over DVB?

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hyperstream:

which is why i added ./configure --enable dvbsupport

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hyperstream:

not sure

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phar0e:

what's dvb?

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phar0e:

digial video ... something?

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hyperstream:

im sure its what my card was last time

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hyperstream:

yeah

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hyperstream:

broadcast

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phar0e:

what settop box do you have from your cable company?

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hyperstream:

nothing i have a HDTV tv tuner card

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hyperstream:

digital tv capture card

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phar0e:

the pc3000 HD?

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hyperstream:

no

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hyperstream:

vision plus

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phar0e:

I thought the signal would be scrambled unless it goes through the settop box?

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hyperstream:

ahh

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hyperstream:

i think the card does that

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hyperstream:

converts into a mpeg format i believe

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phar0e:

crazy I didn't know that

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phar0e:

I bought a pc3000 HD card, it's capable of converting the signal to a digital one too

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hyperstream:

yeah

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hyperstream:

i think its country based.

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hyperstream:

like in aussie there must be a scamble code

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hyperstream:

or something

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phar0e:

why do people mess around with the settop boxes then?

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hyperstream:

thats static

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hyperstream:

there is not point

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hyperstream:

unless like foxtel digital

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hyperstream:

then u need there settop box

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phar0e:

I have timewarner

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hyperstream:

ahh

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hyperstream:

im in aussie. so yeah

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hyperstream:

we dont get gg stuff like that

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hyperstream:

:)

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phar0e:

hello aussie

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hyperstream:

aussie == australia

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hyperstream:

:p

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phar0e:

what part?

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hyperstream:

Brisbane

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phar0e:

I visited Canberra and Sydney

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hyperstream:

cool

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hyperstream:

what part of the year>?

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phar0e:

ahhh!! my all-time favourite tv show, neighbours was taped in brisbane!

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phar0e:

may of last year

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phar0e:

you're getting me excited, and I don't believe you... about the HD thing

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hyperstream:

nono its for real

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phar0e:

I bet that's only australia who doesn't care

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hyperstream:

lol

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hyperstream:

prolly

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hyperstream:

hdtv

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hyperstream:

is free

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hyperstream:

all the analog channels on hd + some others

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phar0e:

red blooded americans can get hdtv directly to their hdtv-tuner card?

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hyperstream:

im not sure

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phar0e:

ohhh, maybe people use the settopbox so they can get the channels that aren't default, like showtime, hbo?

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hyperstream:

yeah

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phar0e:

now we're making sense of it all

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phar0e:

well if that is the case... then I can have two recording sources maybe

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phar0e:

one via firewire to the settop box, and one with my pc3000

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phar0e:

are you excited?! I'm getting there...

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hyperstream:

hmm u firewire to settop boxes?

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hyperstream:

your getting me excited -_-

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phar0e:

yeah, the model I ordered from the cable company has firewire port, and mythtv supports it

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hyperstream:

nice

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phar0e:

so I can change the channel, record... all over firewire

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hyperstream:

crazy

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phar0e:

no need for some fancy tv tuner card, but I bought one anyways, so now maybe I can have two HD sources

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hyperstream:

yeah lolool

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phar0e:

either that or I'm going to hook it up to my highdefinition satellite receiver

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phar0e:

have you had hd recordings working before?

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phar0e:

I'm curious what sort of CPU usage is used when recording, is it just copying the mpeg2 stream directly to hard drive? or does it encapsulate it in that nuv format?

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phar0e:

my aussie friend has abandoned me

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hyperstream:

sorry

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hyperstream:

had to do washing

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hyperstream:

:)

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hyperstream:

not recordings no

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hyperstream:

working on it hto

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hyperstream:

just reinstalled debian

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hyperstream:

for the first time in a long while

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hyperstream:

omg

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hyperstream:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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johnp_:

ldconfig is your friend

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hyperstream:

yeah

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hyperstream:

already fixed

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hyperstream:

brb

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hyperstream:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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hyperstream:

when i try to run mythtv-setup

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hyperstream:

cant connect to db

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hyperstream:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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hyperstream:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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hyperstream:

very wierd

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hyperstream:

hmm

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hyperstream:

solved that

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hyperstream:

but now i cannot see my dvb0 card

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phar0e:

less than 3 hours until I get to build my new computer!

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cheriff:

Hello. How does one purge the db of all programming info? Simply changing the time offset in mythsetup and mythfilldatabase --do_channel_updates doesnt seem to do the trick ...

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Lycan^:

any gentoo users here?, im having issues trying to get xmltv-0.5.39 to emerge

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cheriff:

ok, would it work if i dumped the db to a .sql. edited that manually, and then created/re imported the edit, as per the HOWTO on mythtv.org?

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cheriff:

it seems i just need to remove the 'Dumping data for table `program`' section ...?

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Merlin83b:

cheriff: Back up first, but it would be a whole lot easier just to fire up mysql (the client) and do DELETE FROM program;

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cheriff:

Merlin83b: i figured it would be something like that, but i dont know enough of (read: any) sql syntax...

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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cheriff:

this seemed to work, tho, re filling it now, so fingers crossed!! :)

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hyperstream:

hmm

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hyperstream:

my dvb-t card

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hyperstream:

fails to open ?

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juski_:

morning

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hyperstream:

brb reboot

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Dogbert:

bah

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Merlin83b:

Not Friday yet ;-)

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Dogbert:

heh

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Dogbert:

it's either this or the _

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Merlin83b:

Nock not registered on nickserv?

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Merlin83b:

Oh, um, why?

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Merlin83b:

Oh ah

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Dogbert:

already logged in at home

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Merlin83b:

So I see.

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Dogbert:

& I can't get into my (ahem) box cos VNC isn't running

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Dogbert:

never mind :-)

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Merlin83b:

Nickserv I tell ya!

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Dogbert:

tried msg'ing NickServ – it's not having it

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Merlin83b:

/msg nickserv ghost juski password

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Dogbert:

ahhh

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Dogbert:

didn't know abaaaht the 'ghost' option

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Dogbert:

nope

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Merlin83b:

Yes – I use it quite often.

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Juski:

starting irssi with -n worked

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hyperstream:

guys if you could take a look at: http://pastebin.com/566547 its some info about my issue lsmod dmesg etc etc.. mythtv is saying there isnt a dvb-t card :/

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phar0e:

what would Neighbours do?

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Juski:

I can see why, hyperstream

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Juski:

you don't have any DVB modules

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Juski:

no dvbcore etc

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hyperstream:

hmmm

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hyperstream:

how would i go about loading them modules?

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phar0e:

damn he's got a lot of modules loaded tho

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phar0e:

juski is my favorite norweigen :)

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phar0e:

he's so smart, the ladies probably love that

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Juski:

but I'm not from Norway

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hyperstream:

modprobe -v dvb-bt8xx

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hyperstream:

?

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phar0e:

finland?

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Juski:

nope

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phar0e:

netherlands?

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Juski:

hyperstream – you're on the right track

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hyperstream:

ok now its working it can see it

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phar0e:

woohoo

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hyperstream:

but when i try to add a video source

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hyperstream:

or

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Juski:

can I just ask why do you have so many modules?

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hyperstream:

scan for channels in the channel editot

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hyperstream:

it says failed to open card

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hyperstream:

new install of debian

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phar0e:

lol

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hyperstream:

new kernel i know nothing about my hardware lol

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phar0e:

i've never seen so many modules in my life to be honest

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hyperstream:

new box etc. ill recompile sometime soon

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Juski:

hmmm

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hyperstream:

i wonder why its failing to open the card

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Juski:

hyperstream do ls -Rl /dev/dvb

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Juski:

might still have a module or 2 missing

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Juski:

you should have /dev/dvb/adapter0

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Juski:

then inside there, demux0, dvr0, frontend0, net0 at least

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hyperstream:

http://pastebin.com/566558

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Juski:

okees

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hyperstream:

ive had it working about 5 months ago

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hyperstream:

with this card

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Juski:

now do an lsmod again

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hyperstream:

http://pastebin.com/566560

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Juski:

I think you should have a video_buf_dvb module in there too – not 100% sure though

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Juski:

anyway you shouldn't be testing a new config with mythtv – use tzap etc instead

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hyperstream:

this is how i did it last time

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Juski:

verify the hardware works in your new kernel before setting up mythtv – then you know what's up – the drivers... or mythtv

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hyperstream:

even if it used tzap i think it'll fail to open the card still.

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hyperstream:

how can i test it otherwise?

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Juski:

use tzap & so on

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hyperstream:

something such as tvtime ?

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hyperstream:

hmm

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Juski:

no

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hyperstream:

i dislike tvtime

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Juski:

run dvbscan to get a channels.conf

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Juski:

then run tzap

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Juski:

cat /dev/dvb/dvr0 | mplayer

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Juski:

(with tzap still running)

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hyperstream:

dont have mplayer

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hyperstream:

no candidate for it either :(

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hyperstream:

should bttv modules be loaded ?

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phar0e:

anyone know how many splits of the same digital cable source you can get away with before quality drops?

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hyperstream:

got it working

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hyperstream:

had to use a video source

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coffee88:

phar0e: 1 hour to go for you now?

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dtm:

phar0e: there is no such thing as "how many". there are a number of unguessable factors

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laga:

so i'm running a geforce 4 mx 440 with xvmc enabled, but i still get 'prebuffering pause' warnings and my playback stutters sometimes. is there any other recommended driver version?

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phar0e:

hell yeah coffee88 :))))

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phar0e:

i'm excited

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coffee88:

phar0e: Good luck with it all!

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phar0e:

thanks, hopefully I don't run into any hardware problems.. would be great if everything just worked right off the bat

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coffee88:

Like that happens!

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phar0e:

dtm: 6 different HDTV sources in the same house, is that too much? or will the signal remain strong?

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dtm:

phar0e: same answer. it's an electrical and atmospheric issue requiring either electrical knowledge, trial and error (possibly involving visits from the cable company), or a crystal ball

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phar0e:

ok, thanks.. sorry I don't understand the basic concept of it all, that's why I asked

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Juski:

hi laga. All I know is not to use the latest nvidia drivers

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Juski:

phar0e: use a distribution amplifier when you're splitting more than once

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dtm:

phar0e: one time i had digital cable and one tv was too many when the weather got a certain humidity percentage because of the way the neighborhood circuit was calibrated

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Juski:

and even then I'd recommend an amp

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dtm:

phar0e: now if you built the ultimate mythtv backend with distributed frontends, it's no problem ;)

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Juski:

lol.. personal computer world mag this month has a 'howto' for networking your PVR. no mention of mythtv at all – totally ignorant

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dtm:

Juski: :[ fired

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Juski:

?

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coffee88:

Is anyone using a hauppauge MVP as a front end for mythtv?

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laga:

Juski: german computer mag 'pc welt' has an article on building your own PVR with mythtv, probably written by the same guy who did it for tecchannel.de. the guide totally sucked :)

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Juski:

coffee88: some people are, yes

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coffee88:

Do you happen to know a) do they work well, and b) will handle dvb-t recordings? Looks like they go pretty cheap on ebay. Cheap enough to have a play, anyway...

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Juski:

dvb-t will work fine

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Juski:

and how cheap do they go for on ebay?

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Juski:

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Juski:

word on the street is that the MVP

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coffee88:

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Juski:

the MVP isn't as nice a frontend, but it's very usable

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coffee88:

I was looking at mvpmc as the front end.... Not sure it's up to 19 though?

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Juski:

it is

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Juski:

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coffee88:

Hmmm. I suspect I'll have to give one a go... You can never have too many toys.

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Juski:

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Juski:

not paying those prices for 2nd hand anything

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Merlin83b:

A car?

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Juski:

lol

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coffee88:

If you find one at that price, let me know!

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Juski:

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coffee88:

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Kelerion:

morning/afternoon all

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coffee88:

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Juski:

I tells ya – ebay is useless for some things – people have no idea

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whyz:

hey.. i've just gotten myself a dvb card, and an antenna. How the heck do i scan for the channels? i don't want to use mythtv just yet.. have no monitor connected to it

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Juski:

don't want to use mythtv yet? so get outta here :-)

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whyz:

i see theres a program called dvbscan.. should i use it?

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coffee88:

Some are obviously making good money from it! For doing not much except being cheeky...

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whyz:

Juski: theres no use since there's no monitor or tv connected to it yet

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Juski:

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Juski:

whyz: so you can't bloody test the card can you?

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whyz:

Juski: my understanding is that dvb works in such a way that it can tell if it has found a channel, right? that's all i need

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Juski:

well if you want to test it half-assed, yeah

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whyz:

that's what i want to do. If i can't find any channels, i will have to go mess with the antenna

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Juski:

you could always cat a big of mpeg2 into a file, then read the file over the network

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Kelerion:

scan have the mvp at 36+vat

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Kelerion:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . urce=froogle

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Juski:

scam.co.uk? might try them – half an hour down the road from here

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Kelerion:

not scam.. lol

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Juski:

no, I was right the 1st time

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

they're not bad if what you buy works, but if you ever take stuff back... omg

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coffee88:

All cheaper then building another epia box just for another FE.... Hmmm.

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Juski:

had a 3 hour wait to return a 128MB CF card once – v.v.v.v bad

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Juski:

got stuck behind 2 ricers whining that the system they put together was 0.5 fps short of what they 'should' have had

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Kelerion:

urgh

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coffee88:

They should have painted the red stipe on it! Works every time.

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Juski:

poor customer service guy... poor me & everyone in the queue behind em

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Juski:

I coulda lamped them

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Kelerion:

I've returned stuff to CCL before.. only waited 20 mins or so.. went out in the car park and had a cig while I was waiting

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** Juski was very glad his pvr150 just worked **

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Kelerion:

mind you... I've always been impressed with CCL

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Juski:

they're bastards if the problem is niggly too

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Kelerion:

plus – they're only 15 mins drive away – so handy

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Juski:

all the local outfits are bastards for returns

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Juski:

'prove you didn't break it', more or less

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Kelerion:

OT here.. but anyone any idea what vcodec I can pass to mencoder to get the best quality recording from a bt878 at the *absolutely* lowest cpu usage? its a 1ghz processor so really small

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Juski:

sometimes it's better to pay higher prices – pc world & the like refund without needing a blood sample

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coffee88:

Dabs have been fine for me with returns too.

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Juski:

Kelerion: this for your CCTV doo-dah?

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Kelerion:

have tried mpeg4, xvid, divx, mjpeg.. but they are all maxing out the video buffer after 30 secs or so

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Kelerion:

yeah.. I was testing it on my main machine.. but I can't keep it there.. so moving it to another box

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Juski:

you don't necessarily need 25fps recording

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laga:

kehuffyuv? rtjpeg? only if they're available

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Juski:

hint: we use mjpeg

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Juski:

wavelets are good too (jpeg2000)

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Kelerion:

mjpeg was about the least processor intensive as I recall (was 4am this morning and was knackered!) at about 20fps

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Juski:

a lot of the time you'll be recording the same scene, so some activity detection would be handy

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Juski:

coffee88: Dabs.com no longer have a trade counter you can go to in person :-(

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** Juski doesn't like to mail order when he lives so close ;-) **

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Kelerion:

ok – here's one.. how reliable is motion detection? in terms of will it kick in and record *in time* to catch kids running past my door?

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Kelerion:

I figured it wouldn't be quick enough – so just went with full video

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Juski:

Kelerion: the OSS CCTV packages have 'pre-alarm'

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Juski:

they keep a buffer all the time, then when a trigger comes along, the buffer is saved

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** coffee88 likes mail order as it's easier than facing Tottenham Ct rd..... **

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Kelerion:

hmm.. sounds interesting

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Kelerion:

I used to work just off Tottenham Court Road a few years back.. used to go shopping there every dinner break.. lol

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Juski:

good place to pick up bargains

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Kelerion:

haven't been there for years now though – wonder how much it's changed

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coffee88:

It's horrible! I can't face it any more!

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Juski:

good place to get shafted if you're clueless though (but then so is Dixons)

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Kelerion:

true

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Juski:

"yes, it's high definition.. look.."

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Kelerion:

theres *tons* of asian retailers there that seem to think they can stiff ya too – at least there used to be

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Juski:

"lemme see the manual"...

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coffee88:

It's just dealing with all the crap until they realise that you do actually know something.... Then they run off to get someone else to serve you, and you start again....

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Kelerion:

at which point I leave.. theres plenty of other shops

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Juski:

yeh the unscrupulous retailers around here are asian-owned. I'm not going to rely on that to draw conclusions from though. a shark is a shark no matter what its skin colour or religion

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Kelerion:

true true

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coffee88:

But they're all owned by the same peolple...

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Juski:

heh

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** Kelerion just got visuals of a shark in the ocean praying to budda..wierd **

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shiznix:

anyone able to watch TV with mythtv in 0.19 ?

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Kelerion:

yup – I can

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Juski:

so can I

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Kelerion:

well.. cvs anyways

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shiznix:

hrmm, i'm getting this popular error.....

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shiznix:

2006-02–22 23:42:55.762 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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shiznix:

2006-02–22 23:42:55.764 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 09:30:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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Juski:

nothing in the program guide?

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Kelerion:

program guide populated?

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Kelerion:

ahh.. he beat me to it

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Juski:

or is it the now well known bug where livetv fails when the programme changes?

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Kelerion:

source id's match program guide data too?

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shiznix:

heh, yes the program guide is populated

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Kelerion:

is it just an update?

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Kelerion:

or fresh install?

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shiznix:

i'll dig some more, it's an update

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shiznix:

could try recreating the db

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Kelerion:

ahh – dunno then

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Juski:

shiznix: you didn't answer my question

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brtab395:

Try deleting the tuners and reinserting with mythtv-setup.

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** Kelerion wonders whether to give zone-minder anothe shot **

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Juski:

Kelerion: it'd be worth sticking at it

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shiznix:

Juski: oh sorry, the error occurs when starting LiveTV

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shiznix:

TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Juski:

ah okay then

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Juski:

check all the video source is linked to the right card input etc then

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shiznix:

brtab395: ok thanks

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brtab395:

np

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Kelerion:

I left that little machine on over night recording in little 30 sec chunks to a remote fileshare.. just checked it now and it ran for 2 hours then started getting buffer IO errors from the hd!

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Kelerion:

thats a new one

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brtab395:

Kelerion: Are you using NFS for the remote file share? There are some problems caused by having the remote fileshare buffered.

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Kelerion:

yup.. nfs

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brtab395:

Turn off the caching. It's causing fits in various instances.

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Kelerion:

please tell me that ain't a kernel thing

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brtab395:

It's not, AFAIK. It's an nfs thing.

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Kelerion:

-o noac ?

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Kelerion:

will give it a try

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Kelerion:

I think the HD is borked.. it won't boot now.. lol

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** Kelerion digs out a spare HD **

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brtab395:

Don't know on that specific option. You can put actimeo=0 in the fstab file and unmount/remount.

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Kelerion:

ok -thanks

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brtab395:

Well, that would cause some serious problems beyond caching... :)

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Kelerion:

yup...lol

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** Kelerion remembers the good old days when a 1Gz pc with 256mb ram was actually a half-decent machine... if fact I remember the same about 386's! lol **

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dtm:

i dont think 386s were ever anything more than half decent

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dtm:

and that'd be a stretch

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Kelerion:

I remember have a 186 based network at school.. with a 386 server.. and I *really* wanted that server.. lol

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dtm:

they were utter garbage as far as most industrial server manufacturers were concerned, and the beginning of the end of professional IT as they knew it

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dtm:

yeah.. exactly.. it introduced relativism in computing afaict

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dtm:

a cheapness

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Kelerion:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mickfrench/rmnimbus.htm

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Kelerion:

that was them! only 186 based pc I've ever saw

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dtm:

in the aesthetic sense

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dtm:

i've never seen one

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dtm:

i think they were primarily embedded CPUs iirc

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dtm:

which is all the 8086 and all descendants should have been

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dtm:

Kelerion: the guy who made that site apparently doesn't realize that Windows 3.x runs in real mode (8086) by default. it wasn't heavily modified to run on that; it was heavily modified to not run on it. 386 protected mode functionality was a byzantine kludge.

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Juski:

1st attempt at getting my schematics out there: http://www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5tx.jpg and www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5rx.jpg

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Kelerion:

dtm.. yeah I remember the fun with protected mode..

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Kelerion:

ok Juski – thats a neat trick

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Kelerion:

a direct link to a .jpg that has a frameset and meta-stuff

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** Kelerion suspects mod-rewrites in action **

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** coffee88 remembers hours of fun with a ZX81 and spectrum and magazine listings... **

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Kelerion:

coffee88, thats how I learnt my first programming... debugging those damn listings

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coffee88:

Me too. I'm kinda glad now though.

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Kelerion:

and *then* I got a book from the library.. and spent two weeks typing in this Personal Organiser software and debugging it.. then *finally* it was all there.. "run" – "not enough memory to run this application"

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Kelerion:

I was pissed off.. lol

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** coffee88 laughs and finds it oddly familiar... **

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Kelerion:

I was only 9! that wasn't a nice thing to do.. lol

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dtm:

mine were totally buggy if they were more than about a page's worth

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dtm:

forever

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dtm:

Kelerion: yeah telling a kid to spend a couple hundred more bucks is cruel!

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Merlin83b:

jpg for schematics, Juski? Tsk tsk.

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Kelerion:

he'll have the original files too knowing him

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shiznix:

thanx guys, LiveTV works now

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shiznix:

deleted & recreated all channels & input cards

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brtab395:

Glad that helped, shiznix. Now anybody know why the channel locks (DVB ATSC) but has no video or audio?

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brtab395:

I've got a second system pulling in the same channel successfully.

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Juski:

original proteus files, yup ;-)

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shiznix:

Juski: wow, that's a nice theme

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Juski:

that user who asked for a vector graphic of the mythtv logo on the users list is an ungrateful bugger

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shiznix:

but what are the schematics for ?

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Juski:

shiznix: cat5 video & audio sender

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Juski:

(and receiver)

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Juski:

send svideo & stereo audio down a cat5 cable

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** ivor blinks. **

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ivor:

are they... oh cool.

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: How so ?

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Juski:

get em free before I charge em

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Kelerion:

just opened an xterm and read one of the fortunes.. it's funny!

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Kelerion:

want to see?

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ivor:

get a decent schematic app. :)

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Merlin83b:

What do you use them for, Juski? Is the FE nto next to whatever display it drives?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: I posted a link to the huge version of the logo I made myself, and he's like "wah, but..."

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Juski:

ungrateful muppet

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ivor:

and use gif next time. :P

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GreyFoxx:

I just read it. YEah

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Juski:

takes a lot of effort to reply to a digest post

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shiznix:

ic

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Juski:

ivor: tools I got at work can't save as gif

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Juski:

I'll redraw it in a linux schematic editor when I get one

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Juski:

and put some html up explaining the circuit

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Juski:

hell, I exported the drawings as dxf, and all the shapes are solid & made of an almost infinite number of lines

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Kelerion:

and step by step guide to building one? for a complete electronics newbie? "put resistor X here"?

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Juski:

er.. no

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Kelerion:

oh well.. I'll buy one off ya then :)

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Juski:

tip: get stripboard magic, copy the schematic onto it ;-)

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Juski:

there's prolly a version of stripboard magic, or something like it for linux by now

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coffee88:

Juski: If it's a cheap guide, I'd be keen on one too....

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Juski:

I'll have to make this clear: I won't be doing tech support for it

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Juski:

there's bound to be some numpty plugs them into a network hub

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laga:

i was actually hoping that that'd work :)

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Cromz:

it wont? :/

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ivor:

lol

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Juski:

oh yeah. I designed & built a little 2 inch square box to transmit video & audio over IP

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ivor:

Juski: you think you can publish details like that... here... and not expect to be doing support?

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coffee88:

But I thought that if the hub was only serving vid?..... ;-)

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ivor:

waahahahahhahahahahaa a ahahahahhahaha

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Cromz:

lol

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ivor:

Juski: is it 10Mb or 100Mb :P

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Cromz:

gig line

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Juski:

either – it auto switches

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laga:

gbit for HDTV

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ivor:

ooh clever.

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shiznix:

Juski: call me noob, but what's the benefit of such a device ?

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shiznix:

why not just use an svideo cable ?

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jams:

Juski- that the same guy complaining about the knoppmyth bootsplash screen?

[14:27:00]

ivor:

Juski: and wireless?

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Juski:

jams: I think so

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Juski:

wireless? sure it'll do wireless. but I found I get no picture or sound ;-)

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jams:

doubt he will figure out what todo with it anyhow

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ivor:

ta dum. tscchhh. :)

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Cromz:

jams: sup man.. havn't seen you around in a while :)

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ivor:

but seriously. very nice.

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jams:

hey Cromz

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Juski:

jams: I could tell him what to do with it :-D

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Juski:

only took me half an hour to draw up in photoshop here – it's a no-brainer

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sphing:

if a backend's job exceeds the time that the backend can run the jobs... is it cancelled?

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Juski:

sphing: just postponed I think

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sphing:

ah

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sphing:

alrighty

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sphing:

i just realized that having a frontend alone is stupid

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sphing:

schedule the jobs for night time

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ivor:

Juski: when do we get to know what U1 and U2 are?

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Cromz:

depneds on that frontend machine :> to under powered and maybe a frontend only would be better. lol

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sphing:

Cromz: but if its not doing anything, like late at night, whats the harm?

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sphing:

unless it postpones it too long

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Cromz:

http://mini-itx.com/projects/htpc2/page2.asp I wanna build sumthin like this for a frontend. some day..

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Juski:

ivor: U1 & U2 are opamps... U1 can be a high bandwidth one, but U2 is only for audio, so could be LM324. maybe they could both be lm324 – not tested it with that yet... and I'll need to check the pinouts

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Juski:

oops forgot to mention.. quad op-amps... the prototype used 8 el2044 chips (expensive to buy)

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ivor:

Juski: ah cool, just wondered what you'd used.

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Juski:

ivor: can you recommend good linux schematic capture software?

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ivor:

I found geda quite straightforward to use

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Juski:

cool

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ivor:

ymmv

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Juski:

hmm it's masked her

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Juski:

*here

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ivor:

talk to the hand.

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Juski:

any others spring to mind?

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ivor:

nothing springing particularly high.

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Kelerion:

Oregano and Vultrax seem popular

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ivor:

I think I looked at three or so, but geda was the best of the bunch.

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Kelerion:

but Vultrax is commercial with a free limited version for linux

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Juski:

oregano... sounds more like a recipe program

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coffee88:

More good linux names.....

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ivor:

Juski use the fo^h^hsource.

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** ivor is up to his nuts in mpeg4 code **

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Juski:

ivor: the who/what ?

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ivor:

Juski: can't you just download the source.

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Jasper:

zooostaaationn

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Jasper:

:P

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Juski:

yeh course I can

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jams:

ivor mpeg4 acceleration ?

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ivor:

jams: yeah.

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Juski:

they do bindaries too...

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jams:

cool

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ivor:

are the mpeg4 specs freely available?

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Juski:

I imagine so

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Jasper:

hmm is it possible to give a remote button different meanin in different scenarios?

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Merlin83b:

Juski: I ended up buying the 1GB flash drive thinh. SanDisk Cruzer Micros are miniscule.

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brtab395:

Jasper: Yes, to a point. What kind of different scenarios are you thinking?

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ivor:

Juski: hmm, no ISO standards docs. 200CHF each.

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ivor:

aha... but the h264 draft is online.

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Jasper:

oh btw juski? did you manage to make the cat5 -> video diagram?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Merlin83b:

[13:47] <Juski> 1st attempt at getting my schematics out there: http://www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5tx.jpg and www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5rx.jpg

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Jasper:

cool

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praet:

hrmm random task here: can a laptop usb port be soldered back on?

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praet:

its on the system board

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clint30:

I have a problem with lockups when going into previous recordings. The problem seems to be something to do with Setup | Video Mode Settings. But I can find no info on that setup screen

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jusk1:

praet: if you're good at dismantling laptops _and_ desoldering _and_soldering, yes

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praet:

well its already "desoldered"

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jusk1:

.. and if the PCB hasn't been broken by having the connector yarked out of it ;-)

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praet:

the girl broke the usb port wiggling it to death

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wakko:

can anyone give me an example of what the "Job Queue" might be used for in mythtv-setup?

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jusk1:

praet: no you'll need to clean solder out of the holes – if it was a surface mounted socket you might be ****ed

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Merlin83b:

Commercial flagging, transcoding etc, wakko.

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clint30:

Setup | Video Mode Settings only offers 640,800,1024 BUT I am trying to use an interlaced 720x576 PAL mode what value do I use here

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wakko:

I see.

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jusk1:

clint30: not many cards support interlaced modes

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ivor:

hmm the h264 draft is 264 pages. very funny.

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jusk1:

ivor: what did you expect?

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jusk1:

an API? ;-)

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clint30:

this is nforce2-IGP it does support interlaced

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ivor:

I meant the page count == name of standard.

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ivor:

someone's got a sense of humour

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praet:

i hear an open standard is being picked up in china

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jusk1:

ah

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laga:

does anyone know where i could get an openchrome vga card in europe?

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jusk1:

there's no money in open standards for Hollywood though

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ivor:

laga: just the video card?

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laga:

ivor: yep.

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ivor:

rocking horse shit.

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laga:

ivor: not the mainboard, i know where to get that stuff :)

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ivor:

you can't get them

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praet:

jusk1: the usb port has the 4 pins stick into the mainboard.. think its not worth it?

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dtm:

praet: also a codec is being developed by the BBC which may become open

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praet:

dtm: yeah ive heard good things about the bbc codec

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laga:

ivor: damn. looks like i gotta send an email to club 3d then

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praet:

i say the more the merrier

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clint30:

SO anyone know how to config 'Video Mode Settings' for 720x576 ?

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jusk1:

praet: it'd take a while, but if you're not experienced withsoldering & don't know anyone who is, get a quote

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Jasper:

looks complicated jusk1 your schematics :p

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ivor:

complicated? oh dear. step away from the pcb fabrication unit.

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Jasper:

;p

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jusk1:

step away from the keyboard...

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jusk1:

lol

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praet:

step away from the internet

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praet:

oh wait that not possible

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clint30:

I soldered a usb port back onto a brother printer, it was just 4 joins

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Jasper:

hmm jusk1 you think it's somehow possible in this scheme to get the infrared signal traveled pack also?

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praet:

im afraid that even if i do it it wont be strong enough to handle this usage

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Kelerion:

whats a "netlist"? a list of components used in a circuit?

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Kelerion:

like a shopping list?

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laga:

ivor: found you at the unichrome wiki :)

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laga:

ivor: openchrome, i mean

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Beirdo:

Kelerion: it's a list of all the electrical connections, with the corresponding nodes where components connect to them

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Beirdo:

if I recall correctly

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Kelerion:

oh ok – I think that makes sense

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** Kelerion desperately tries to recall what he learnt at school in electronics **

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Beirdo:

not sure how schematic/PCB layout stuff made it here, but :)

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Kelerion:

juski's AV transmitter over cat5

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Kelerion:

I used to really like this stuff.. but could never get my head into it

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Kelerion:

so *kinda* on-topic :)

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Beirdo:

I've always liked doing that stuff

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clint30:

Is this a MythTV Help channel?

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Beirdo:

but I like the embedded software side more

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Beirdo:

clint30: yes

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Beirdo:

read /topic to be sure :)

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clint30:

I thought it was a soldering channel :)

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Beirdo:

hey, we go a bit wayward on topic sometimes

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dtm:

clint30: do you have a point?

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clint30:

well yes I asked it quite a few times to no avail

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Beirdo:

but as long as there's no mythtv-related questions, what's the harm?

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Kelerion:

agreed

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Beirdo:

it's possible nobody knows the answer

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dtm:

clint30: you must have neglected to pay anyone

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clint30:

pay?

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Beirdo:

and I didn't see it (just got to work and all)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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dtm:

clint30: or possibly to have fashioned the question in a way that people are motivated and able to easily understand

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Kelerion:

clint30, just ask again

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Beirdo:

well, meeting in 1min

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Beirdo:

I'll be back

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Kelerion:

have fun :)

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clint30:

well I can find no info on web relating to the Setup | appearance | Video Mode Settings and I have been getting lockups I have tracked down to a problem on that screen

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Kelerion:

clint30, that really isn't a question

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clint30:

continuing I wish to use 720x576i BUT the only options are 640x480 or 800x600

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brtab395:

Do you mean in Setup/Utilities->TV->Playback?

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Jasper:

hmm jusk1 the j21 till j26 is the cat5 cable connections?

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clint30:

not on myth 0.18

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brtab395:

Right, this is 0.19.

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Kelerion:

clint30, am guessing here.. but do you have 720x576i as a modeline?

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brtab395:

So, are you using separate video modes for gui and tv playback?

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clint30:

I set it to use seperate modes in order to get aspect ratio = 16:9

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clint30:

I have 2 XF86Config-4's both work fine but ONE locks up mythtv totally WHEN i go into 'previous recordings'

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jusk1:

jasper: no

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clint30:

yes i have 720x576i as modeline

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jusk1:

there are 8 cat5 connections ;-)

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brtab395:

What's the difference between those config files?

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Kelerion:

8??

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jusk1:

8 wires in one cat5 cable.. sort of logical that I use all 8

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** coffee88 checks network plug and finds there is indeed 8... **

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jusk1:

one pair for each signal ;)

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Kelerion:

ahh ok – thought you mean 8 seperate rj45 connectors

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jusk1:

4 signals x2.. = 8

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jusk1:

</smartarse>

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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coffee88:

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clint30:

I'm not sure. I had one config that caused lockups so started from one that worked and slowly changed it til it was almost the same I think.

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jusk1:

coffee88: not including labour time, yes

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clint30:

Then I noticed a 720x576 value in the aformentioned setup | video mode settings screen which blanked out the other drop down boxes

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jusk1:

I've started work designing a PCB.. SMT version :-)

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coffee88:

And no smt soldering involved?

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coffee88:

Arrrggh!!!

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laga:

cluse 'diff' to view the differences

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clint30:

so I changed it to 800x600 then problem went away

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laga:

clint30: ^^ the above was direct to you, sorry :)

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jusk1:

what? DIP packages & 0805 are easy, coffee88

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laga:

oh, ok. you already fixed it :)

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jusk1:

trying to make it fit in a scart plug ;-)

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coffee88:

My hands seem to shake too much for smt soldering!

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jusk1:

lol

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jusk1:

you wanna try soldering 0402 resistors. we use em here now

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clint30:

sorry yes I understand, thing is they are close but not the same for various reasons of evolution, I will try to make the one that causes the lockups closer BUT i was trying to find out what the CORRECT value in that settings screen should be when using 520x576

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Jasper:

hmm jusk1 so j21 to j26 are the wires in cat5 cable?

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jusk1:

like 1.5mm long

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coffee88:

is it tsoc packages that have the pins underneath the case?!

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jusk1:

coffee88: that'd be BGA & CCGA

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clint30:

Can you ONLY use the 4 available values in combo OR can you change vals in database to = 720x576

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clint30:

Basically I am trying to work out WHAT is causing the lockups so I can file a bug report

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jusk1:

Jasper: if you look more closely you'll see that the J2 pins aren't in numerical order ;-) J2:1 to J2:8

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Jasper:

ah

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

I have to use my zoom tools I see

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Jasper:

:P

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jusk1:

you can wire each end up whichever way you like so long as no pairs get mixed up

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clint30:

It locks XF86 EVERY TIME i go into previous recordings and at that point XFree86 is using 99% of CPU according to top

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brtab395:

Oh, are you using nvidia?

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clint30:

yes nforce2-igp

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jusk1:

pardon my dumb question here but what's the difference between xorg & xfree ?

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brtab395:

Right, but is the driver "nvidia" in the conf file?

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brtab395:

In the Device section...

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brtab395:

Xorg split off from xfree and is going down it's own path.

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clint30:

i DO have it working in one config file and have understood it inside out, BUT cannot see why other config is causing lockups. I was presevering with changing the borken one and re-running GDM to narrow it down but wanted to elmininate any possible issues form that setup screen so wondered how it was supposed to be setup, googled couldnt find any info and so arrived here

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jusk1:

so using one over another is just a personal preference thing?

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Jasper:

so jusk1 the y, l, c, r ins are the svideo wires?

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Kelerion:

they'd re-modularised the code as of xorg 7.. so it's feels a tad faster.. but that could be my imagination

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Kelerion:

also means it'll be getting updated a lot more regularly

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clint30:

OK well I can continue slowly changing the XF86Config-4. It appears to work fine, livetv but go into 'previous recordings' (kinda important screen) and it prints the title "select a recording to watch:" then hangs

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brtab395:

Right, but what I was going to suggest is putting in NvAGP "1" . I had that problem with it locking up, pegging the cpu to 100%. The other thing is removing renderaccel if you are using it.

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jusk1:

Jasper: L == audio left, R == audio right. Y & C are svideo in. You 'd use Y for composite. you could use C for digital audio (1v pk-pk SPDIF)

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clint30:

YOU HAD that problem??? – tell me more, was it in this same 'prev recordings screen'

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jusk1:

Jasper: if you only want composite you could use one cable pair to send power instead

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praet:

jusk1: what are the schemantics for

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Jasper:

jusk1 and what if I want s-video quality?

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brtab395:

I don't recall where it was happening. But, yes, the system appeared to lock solid because of the cpu usage.

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clint30:

NvAGP "1" goes in which section

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jusk1:

Jasper: if you want svideo, use Y & C and power the things at each end

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Jasper:

ah I see

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Jasper:

hmm..then the only problem is getting the infrared back over the cables..

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jusk1:

I could always investigate coupling power to the receiver

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brtab395:

In the device section. But it's usage depends on which driver you are using.

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jusk1:

Jasper: easy to adapt the circuit to send infrared too

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Jasper:

but you're using all the cables?

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jusk1:

yup ;-)

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clint30:

OK i DID have renderaccel on (though have had every option on or off at some point)

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Jasper:

btw is it u37806 you're using?

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jusk1:

I'm not a pretty face you know ;-)

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brtab395:

You can use "NvAGP" "2" but that doesn't use the internal nvidia AGP.

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clint30:

OK renderAccel seems to be the culprit !!!!!!!!!

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brtab395:

Cool.

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jusk1:

Jasper: I'm gonna try building some more units, using cheaper op-amps

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jusk1:

see if I can get away with LM324 for everything

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clint30:

BUT i need to understand a bit about this cos presumably the nvidia has very GOOD hardware accel yet i will not be using it?

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Jasper:

hmm

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jusk1:

seen some vid amps using lm324s so they might be ok

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jusk1:

btw the pinouts of the ICs will differ for lm324

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jusk1:

i.e. stay tuned!

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brtab395:

Depends on the version driver. But before you ask me, I don't remember which version is good and which is bad.

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Jasper:

it isn't the expensive though using this method

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jusk1:

Jasper: using cheaper amps will take the price way way down

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jusk1:

and it's far better quality than RF modulators

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brtab395:

They keep changing things and breaking/fixing various functionality on each version.

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Jasper:

I'll have a look at trying to create one..

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clint30:

I guess what I still dont know/understand is WHY RenderAccel apears to work fine on every screen in myth EXCEPT 'previous recordings'

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brtab395:

It might depend on the specific 'previous recording' you are using, too.

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wakko:

quick question – what's the syntax I'd use in the command line to make a file exacutable?

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jusk1:

praet: to answer your question: the schemas I posted links to are for gadgets to send & receive svid & stereo audio over a cat5 cable

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clint30:

Well the lockup occurs going INTO that screen (even with small preview thingy turned off) I just get the title, nothing else gets drawn before the lockup NOT even the list of recordings

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clint30:

it says 'select a recording to watch:' colours the backgrond then thats it

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Jasper:

hmm

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Jasper:

juski did you know you could directly connect a vga cable to 3 pairs of cat5 and make it directly composite?

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jusk1:

Jasper: no you can't

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brtab395:

So it's after you've selected the recording?

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coffee88:

jusk1: Could your setup be extended to distribute to multiple points? I.e 1 tx with several outs to multiple rx?

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jusk1:

coffee88: easy. just remove the 75R terminators from the other receivers

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coffee88:

sweet!

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clint30:

No you go into the 'select a recording to watch' screen and nothing else gets drawn, you cant even see the list of recordings

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clint30:

if i turn renderaccel off it draws correctly, just seems to be this ONE screen that trips up

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clint30:

you get a blue screen that is other wise blank apart from the title

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clint30:

I am presuming that it would be preferable ideally, to have renderaccel turned on

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brtab395:

Okay, but that problem is way before viewing the 'previous recording' file. So, ignore my previous question and speculation.

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laga:

clint30: what does renderaccel do? i haven't found an explanation yet.

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Chutt:

accelerates the render extension.

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Chutt:

the option is unstable

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Chutt:

it should not be turned on.

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brtab395:

Yeah, some of those things are tough to find descriptions for.

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Chutt:

whining like a 2 year old when it doesn't work shouldn't happen

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Jasper:

hmm juski take a look at http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vgacable.html

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jusk1:

jees – googling for renderaccel seems to return a lot of pages referring to problems

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laga:

will mythtv's opengl vsync work if the option is turned off in nvidia-settings?

[16:05:00]

clint30:

well when no one tells you it shouldn't be turned on and you spent 3 days trying to work out WHY myth is locking up cos of SOMETHING in your XF86Config file

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laga:

clint30: it says in the READMe that it is unstable

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brtab395:

But we just fixed it. Now don't turn it on.

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Chutt:

yeah, blame myth because of a driver bug.

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jusk1:

Jasper: that's _component_ not composite you muppet ;-)

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Chutt:

that's cool.

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Chutt:

laga, which option?

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clint30:

I'm not blaming myth, In order to get nvidia working I followed tutorials whihc have it turned on

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Chutt:

the tutorials are wrong.

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Chutt:

go yell at the people who wrote them.

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laga:

Chutt: 'opengl sync to vblank'. i'm not sure if this affects mythtv playback at all

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Chutt:

ah, i dunno

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clint30:

im not yelling at you or anyone, having spent 3 days of my life trying to figure out why myth locks up on this ONE single screen I came here as i could find NO info on google

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Chutt:

i believe it works without it

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brtab395:

Depends. On the driver and version, etc.

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laga:

Chutt: so do i, mythfrontend probably would complain without it :)

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Jasper:

jusk1 doesn't matter..he also talks about s-video on bottom of page?

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jusk1:

Jasper: you got to convert compoent to svideo

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brtab395:

Don't try to use opengl sync with nvidia 8xxx drivers. They (Nvidia) broke it.

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clint30:

It's not the first BUG i have found in Myth Tutorials that have expended a LOT of my time trying to figure it out

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jusk1:

Jasper: and I've already tried sending the signals down the cat5 wiring without any circuitry – it looks craptacular

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Chutt:

whine whine whine

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Jasper:

:p

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Chutt:

clint30, it's not in the official docs.

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brtab395:

And you'll likely find a few more.

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wakko:

hey guys – is it safe to reboot when I want to restart myth, or should I shut down in some other way?

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brtab395:

Rebooting isn't going to hurt MythTV.

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jusk1:

better to ask why myth needs to be restarted ;-)

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xpis:

clint30: Have you tried to isolate the problem? Does it occur with no accelerated video drivers?

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jusk1:

to find out what you did wrong I mean ;-)

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clint30:

Well I think most people would whine (just a little) if they spent 3 days trying to figure out WHY myth locksup on one screen "prev recordings" and so edited loads of diff setup settings, deleted all recordings a few times, tried loads of diff (40+) XF86Config's to narrow it down then finds out the tutorial they STUPIDLY trusted is wrong

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brtab395:

I assumed that he wasn't restarting Myth. I thought he was restarting his box.

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Chutt:

no, most people wouldn't.

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jusk1:

there's a knack to reading between the lines in a lot of how-to guides

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Chutt:

don't do what randomass ones you find say?

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clint30:

Well no most people would give up and assume Myth just locks up for no reason and blame the code

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clint30:

I decided to persevere

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jusk1:

I didn't

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brtab395:

Well, now you know to come here and get the problem fixed...

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jusk1:

I expect a good few other people didn't either – and for the ones who do... who cares?

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clint30:

OK well thanks brtab395 for taking time out to help

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brtab395:

np

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Jasper:

hmm juski you think there's a lot of loss on a svideo cable which has a length of 15 meters?

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jusk1:

Japser: I tried it on 300metres & it was fine

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Jasper:

no I mean without cat5..

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jusk1:

*Jasper sorry

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clint30:

I have a very long svideo cable (good quality) and pic is very good I think its 10 meters

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Jasper:

just a normal s-video to scart

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jusk1:

erm... probably be okay

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Jasper:

wondering what's so much different in the wiring then

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jusk1:

if it's good quality cable

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shadash:

is there going to be a 19.1 release soon?

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ivor:

Jasper: different in what wiring?

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jusk1:

different? 15m of cat5 is a lot cheaper then 15m of good svideo cable for one thign

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clint30:

i did chop svideo end off and fit scart direct rather than use a svideo->scart convertor dongle

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Beirdo:

shadash: why are you asking silly questions

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jusk1:

when's 0.20 out? ;-)

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shadash:

grrr

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Beirdo:

you have been around long enough to know that we don't get told that until it's about to happen, so why ask?

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shadash:

looking

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Jasper:

hmm

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shadash:

I'm getting the ball rolling again

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Beirdo:

have fun

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Chutt:

right now, there's nothing requiring a 0.19.1 release.

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shadash:

Yoper is finally stable

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shadash:

thank you Chutt

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brtab395:

Anybody have any clues why a tuner wouldn't get set to the initial tunechan?

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sandos:

is mythtv useful if you dont have any tuner? Just as a graphical shell for playin music/videos?

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brtab395:

Secondly, anyone know if there is a way to force the tuner to get set to the tunechan?

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human39:

does anybody use myth with direct-tv or like?

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qu0zl:

Ivor, i'm using your openchrome driver for tv-out on a sp13000. Are modelines are hard-coded inside the driver itself? I'm using 800x600over and I wanted to make it overscan a bit more and move slightly left

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qu0zl:

i can't tweak modelines to do that right?

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xpis:

clint30: Have you tried upgrading to the latest xorg, which has much more active development and is supported by hardware manufacturers?

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ivor:

Tv modelines are hardcoded.

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ivor:

Terry Barnaby was the person tweaking them, but he's been awol for a while.

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xpis:

clint30: Also, have you tried using mythtv with the vesa driver? (this disabled all extensions and is very well supported)

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xpis:

s/disabled/disables

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clint30:

well i used knoppmyth so it came as was, dont really wanna mess with it, just wanted to work out why it did what it did

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xpis:

/

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qu0zl:

is there anything else i can tweak to move the image? my tv doesn't support that itself

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ivor:

qu0zl: he did have a little app on his site that let you tweak the settings but I didn't try it.

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qu0zl:

cool

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xpis:

clint30: make your xf86config specify the vesa driver.

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qu0zl:

thanks

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xpis:

clint30: Also.. what driver are you currently using?

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clint30:

71.74

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xpis:

clint30: put your entire xf86config file in pastebin

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xpis:

clint30: that's not a driver.

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Chutt:

that's an nvidia driver version

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jusk1:

qu0zl: openchrome has a great 720x576Over, 720x576Noscale and 720x480 versions of those modes

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xpis:

real nvidia or 'nv'?

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Chutt:

xpis, why the hell are you telling him to use the vesa driver, when he knows how to fix the problem?

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qu0zl:

i tried those too jusk1, they don't really fit my tv great

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xpis:

Chutt: I didn't think he knew how to fix the problem

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qu0zl:

800x600over was the best

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qu0zl:

it's probably my tv tbh :)

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clint30:

well the problem has been solved that renderaccel = 1 causes lockup in previous recordings screen but works fine everywhere else

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qu0zl:

720x576Noscale sounds perfect but it's way way underscaned

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ivor:

and 720x576Over?

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qu0zl:

same

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jusk1:

since minimyth moved to openchrome from unichrome it overscans about 5% more :-/

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clint30:

whats pastebin

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qu0zl:

they;re horizontally underscanned

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qu0zl:

vertically it's fine

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qu0zl:

it's a widescreen tv if that makes a difference?

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ivor:

jusk1: um minimyth hasn't gone from openchrome to unichrome.

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jusk1:

hasn't it? oops my bad

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jusk1:

I said the other way anyhow

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ivor:

jusk1: rubs eyes.

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qu0zl:

i like the xvmc in openchrome anyway, i've only got a mini-itx via so it's useful

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ivor:

jusk1: heh. bad reading. :P

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laga:

ivor: what do you think, would these deltachrome cards be supported if i ever managed to get my hands one one?

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ivor:

jusk1: there shouldn't be any difference in the overscan though... the tv code's the same.

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ivor:

unfortunately terry has gone quiet since he's the one with the TV datasheets and was doing the work getting a nice output. :(

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jusk1:

I'll play with it a little more. it's nothing I can't tolerate

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xpis:

clint30: Well if disabling that keeps the preview from locking up, then I guess that's your solution. If you would use the latest version of xorg, you may not experience problems, as it is supported by nvidia and other hardware manufacturers.

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jusk1:

ivor: I managed to get the datahseet for the EPIA TV out encoder

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jusk1:

I was looking into making the TV output RGB ;-)

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ivor:

jusk1: cool. get coding. :D

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clint30:

Yer RenderAccel has been added to the list of words on my swearbox

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jusk1:

anyone can fiddle with registers, but coding a driver is something else

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xpis:

clint30: XFree86 is not being near as actively developed as xorg (there is still some work on it, but much of that is code contributed to both projects)

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clint30:

what I still dont quite get is how the Setup | appearance | Video Mode Settings screen is supposed to be used

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jusk1:

whatever version minimyth is using seems to be much crisper than previously, so maybe something like dotcrawl has been turned off

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xpis:

clint30: You may want to try a full linux installation rather than KnoppMyth, due to the fact the Knoppix still doesn't use xorg.

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clint30:

I turned ON 'seperate video modes for GUI and TV playback' in order to be able to acces and therefore set Aspect=16:9

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Jasper:

hmm time to start working on xvmc again :(

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clint30:

Well I used knoppmyth as I have developed thru z80,6502,c,c++ but on dos/windows machines and my linux experience is somewhat limited but i can get by but its tuff

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jusk1:

clint30: I use 720x576 & get proper 16:9 video output because I have DISPLAYSIZE set properly in my xorg.conf

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clint30:

ummm non comprendez

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Jasper:

hmm, NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers

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clint30:

i'll google

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brtab395:

How do you go about setting DISPLAYSIZE properly? I haven't quite fully understood that so that it works right.

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qu0zl:

just reading man xorg.conf now, sounds like you get out a ruler and measure your screen :)

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Chutt:

xpis, xorg has absolutely nothing to do with a purely driver issue.

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jusk1:

more or less, qu0zl

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Jasper:

has anyone ever seen "NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers" before during 'trying to watch live-tv'

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brtab395:

Oh, yeah. Lots.

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Jasper:

?

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brtab395:

Can't really pin it down. Been seeing that in all sorts of setups.

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clint30:

Could this displaysize not be worked out by maths eg my screen is 28" and its 16x9 so...

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clint30:

brb

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jusk1:

square of the hypotneuse...

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clint30:

so 9 x^2 + 16 y^2 = 28^2

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Jasper:

hmm...anyone using geforce 6200 here?

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jusk1:

and the measurements are in mm IIRC

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clint30:

so 9 x^2 + 16 y^2 = (28*2.54)^2

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jusk1:

ooo simultaneous equations

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clint30:

oops

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clint30:

so 9 x^2 + 16 y^2 = (28*25.4)^2

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jusk1:

you can possibly get by with using 400 & 225 for a 16:9 set

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mog_work:

hi

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jusk1:

might mess up your DPI so the themes might not be 100% lines up but in my experience it doesn't come into it much

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mog_work:

can you run mythtv frontend in sdl without x11

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clint30:

actually woudnt it be 9 x^2 + 16 x^2 = (28*25.4)^2

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laga:

mog_work: qt embedded + directfb

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clint30:

hmmm

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mog_work:

i can do that laga?

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clint30:

LOL i cant remember its been so long

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nuxil:

does mythtv support tele text ??

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mog_work:

thats awesome

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jusk1:

clint30: btw you need it to be 100DPI ideally

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praet:

clint30: use mathomatic

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Jasper:

hmm jusk1 I think the drivers are bugged or somtehing for my graphic device

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jusk1:

400 / 225 = 1.777777777777 ... 16:9

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nuxil:

anyone know?

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jusk1:

nuxil: only subtitles as far as I know

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nuxil:

k

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jusk1:

they're mentioned in the FM and mailing lists which you would've found yourself if you could be arsed

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Jasper:

jusk1 <-- http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=816497 ...you remember my problems with installing xvmc...that page has users with the same problems

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jusk1:

remember? I still not recovered

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laga:

recovered from what? had to spent the day with windows users?

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Jasper:

lol jusk1 :P

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jusk1:

lol laga

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Jasper:

welll....at least now I know it's not my fault :P

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jusk1:

shit that reminds me. still haven't booked my hotelroom for the lugrthing

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jusk1:

*lugradio thing

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praet:

hey does anyone see the prev next buttons on mythtv setup?

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jusk1:

I was all up for going to that then I listened to a show..

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praet:

somehow they are cut off on my sys

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Jasper:

does anyone know how I can file a bugreport with nvidia?

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praet:

linux-bugs@nvidia.com

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Jasper:

praet just a email?

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praet:

hrmm i think they may have some log script

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jusk1:

Jasper: look at the sticky in the linux drivers forum

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maximus2000:

HI I just installed mythtv and am trying to run mythtv-setup. Keep getting error connecting to database

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maximus2000:

I am runnig mythtv-set as mythtv user

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praet:

attach the output from nvidia-bug-report.sh

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praet:

maximus2000: have you created the db and can you connect to mythtvconverg with mysql

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Jasper:

k

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maximus2000:

praet, I did this # mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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maximus2000:

praet, I believe that makes the database

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maximus2000:

I have started mysql and mythtv-backend

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brtab395:

Maximus2000: Can you get to the database like so – mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg.

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brtab395:

Watch the spacing. It's important.

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maximus2000:

brtab395, do I need the first -

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praet:

^^ what he said

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praet:

no

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brtab395:

No first dash.

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praet:

$ mysql ....

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maximus2000:

thought so

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Jasper:

I'mgonna try nvnews.com

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Jasper:

:P

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maximus2000:

Ok i did that command now I am at a mysql>

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brtab395:

Sounds like you don't have the .mythtv/mysql.txt setup properly.

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brtab395:

That last mysql command tells you that you can get into the database (as long as there were no errors). Mysql is running and the mythtv user and password is okay.

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praet:

maximus2000: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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praet:

mysql> flush privileges;

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maximus2000:

ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

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brtab395:

Right. mythtv doesn't have privs to to the grant. Must be logged in as root or suitable account that does have those privs.

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praet:

whoop. close mysql, and use root $ mysql -u root -ppassword

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praet:

then 'use mysql'

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maximus2000:

just did that

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maximus2000:

noticed this myself

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praet:

then the above grant command

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maximus2000:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.08 sec)

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praet:

flush privs then give setup another run

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clint30:

phone call – just did the maths and got 620 349 as the dpi for a 28" widescreen

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clint30:

i mean dpmm

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maximus2000:

no go... here is the first few linesof output....

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maximus2000:

2006-02–22 12:16:07.786 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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maximus2000:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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maximus2000:

QSqlDatabase: available drivers:

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maximus2000:

2006-02–22 12:16:07.895 New DB connection, total: 1

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maximus2000:

I do have qt compiled with mysql too

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GreyFoxx:

What distro ?

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maximus2000:

Gentoo useflag has mysql

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GreyFoxx:

Have you updated mysql since QT was compiled?

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praet:

is libmysqlclient.so.10 in /usr/lib ?

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maximus2000:

I followed a gentoo howto. Read other support pages before coming here.

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maximus2000:

ls /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14

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maximus2000:

should I rebuild mysql not sure if I rebuilt it since qt was rebuilt. Thought I did but could be wrong

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praet:

wait. this might be stupid but did you run mysql_install_db ?

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maximus2000:

yeap ran that too

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Kallie:

uuuuuuuuuuh":???????????{

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praet:

k just checking

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sskk:

Does the PVR-150 produce an MPEG2 PS or MPEG2 TS output? (or doesn't it matter?)

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GreyFoxx:

maximus2000: Well, if you compiled QT against say version .1, but then update mysql to verison 5 then you would have to recompile QT which is why I asked

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GreyFoxx:

err 4.1

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GreyFoxx:

BUT don't go there yet

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GreyFoxx:

make sure that libmysqlclient is in your ld path and look for the qt sqlplugin and make sure tat is as well

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GreyFoxx:

sskk: PS

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sskk:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

sskk: There is an option to pick TS, but I don't know if the driver honours it or not

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praet:

should be in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/

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maximus2000:

/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

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GreyFoxx:

QT ?

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Juski:

qt4? i thought myth doesn't work with qt4

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GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't work with QT4

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maximus2000:

ok there is my answer

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Juski:

you'll be re-emerging qt, myqsql & mythtv now ;-)

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Juski:

*mysql, even

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maximus2000:

should I emerge qt first then mysql?

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kgbudz:

anyone here good with mythweb

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kgbudz:

im trying to view my recorded programs

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kgbudz:

and its defaulting to All Recordings

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kgbudz:

which is breaking

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Juski:

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kgbudz:

because there are too many recordings to show

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kgbudz:

i need some way to switch to a specific show

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kgbudz:

in the Recorded Programs view

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kgbudz:

i guess i can start digging around the php

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IMTheNachoMan:

does mythtv work with fusion hdtv5

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Juski:

IMTheNachoMan: depends if it works in Linux or not

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Juski:

have a look at linuxtv.org & their wiki

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Juski:

big list of cards linux supports on there

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IMTheNachoMan:

which wiki

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IMTheNachoMan:

dvt, vdr, or v4l

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Kelerion:

v4l

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IMTheNachoMan:

yeah it works

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IMTheNachoMan:

cool

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IMTheNachoMan:

thanks

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IMTheNachoMan:

peace

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jusk1:

dvt? never heard of it

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jusk1:

deep vein thrombosis video cards?

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IMTheNachoMan:

i meant dvb

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Cardoe:

maximus2000: it doesn't matter

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Cardoe:

maximus2000: if you did emerge mythtv... it would have pulled in qt3

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Cardoe:

maximus2000: never emerge mysql AFTER qt.. that breaks stuff

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Cardoe:

anyone know with ivtv wtf...

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Cardoe:

ivtv0 warning: Encoder mailbox not found

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Cardoe:

ivtv0 warning: Decoder mailbox not found

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Cardoe:

is?

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cschrader:

Cardoe there was a thread on that on the list a while back

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cschrader:

dont remember what the problem actualyl was

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cschrader:

i think a bug with one version

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cschrader:

*the ivtv list that is

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wakko:

hello

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wakko:

any DirecTV users out there?

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phatmonkey:

http://www.phatmonkey.org.uk/2006/02/22/a-ste . . . 9-on-ubuntu/

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phatmonkey:

spent a while writing that

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phatmonkey:

shall I add it to the wiki somewhere?

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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xpis:

phatmonkey: doesn't ubuntu have mythtv packages?

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phatmonkey:

yes

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macroexp:

xpis: not reliably enough for me to use... they seem to exist, then disappear, pop up somewhere else, etc...

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phatmonkey:

but they're all 0.18.1

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macroexp:

yeah that too

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macroexp:

:)

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phatmonkey:

and doesn't five you the possibility to update to svn checkouts and things

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phatmonkey:

*give

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phatmonkey:

it uses odd paths I believe

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Kelerion:

am using svn just fine and dandy here on ubuntu

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Kelerion:

have been for ages

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maximus2000:

Ok had qt3 also installed just needed to remerge with mysql support all is happy in my world thanks for all your help

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sskk:

when I set a video (mythvideo) to "Browsable: no" then why does the file show up in the media library? What is the way to generally hide a video-file, when browsing the library?

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Kyler:

I want to record "Liberty News" once a month. I don't see an easy way to do this other than to use Custom Record to specify, for example, to only record it during the first week of each month. Anything better?

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hfghfh:

Is there any way you can update/rescan the music and video directories from the commandline.

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hfghfh:

any one here?

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eskil:

hfghfh, nope. There's no way to do that for music. Don't know about video.

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hfghfh:

hmm, thats bad. I use mythweb alot and i always have the problem with the video and music list beeing out of sync. So my thought was to have some sort of commandline tool runned by cron on regular intervals.

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eskil:

makes sense, but there's just no way to cause mythmusic... except deleting the musicmetadata table and running "mythfrontend mythmusic".

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eskil:

Just not the prettiest or fastest way.

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xris:

Kyler: why only once/month?

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eiggirC:

holy shit – a USB video card http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/avcards/805c/?cpg=26T

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Stephmw:

... so it's just creating a frambuffer accessible by usb?

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kahuna_:

eiggirC: Yes, but the question is what kind of performance can you get with doom3? :)

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Juski:

eiggirC: USB TV stick? nothing new

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Juski:

oh... USB video out.. nifty

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dtm:

what laptop would be capable of USB2.0 and which also wouldn't have an onboard SVGA output?

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scopeuk:

there pleanty about

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dtm:

that's just outrageous. plus, i can't imagine anyone who'd need that, buying such a laptop.

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scopeuk:

oh saorry

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scopeuk:

though you said with not without

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scopeuk:

misread your post

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scopeuk:

although one without svid or composite whouldetn be that reare

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scopeuk:

rare*

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dtm:

oic :)

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Juski:

so?

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Juski:

any projector worth its salt has SVGA inputs

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scopeuk:

Juski not all of us can afort projectors

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Juski:

using a laptop for a frontend in the livingroom? ouch

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scopeuk:

me nope i have a crappy box kicekd under my desk

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Juski:

I can afford a projector but the running costs put me off

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Juski:

>£300 for a lamp? ow

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scopeuk:

what you mean bulb replacemeant?

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scopeuk:

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Juski:

are they?

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Juski:

even so

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scopeuk:

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scopeuk:

we have over 500 hours on it

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Juski:

how long to they last though?

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scopeuk:

first bulb

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scopeuk:

still going strog

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scopeuk:

strong*

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scopeuk:

there is no reason if your careful with ti a bulb wont last you 1000 hours

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scopeuk:

especialy if your nto runnignit in brighter than the sun mode

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scopeuk:

not running it*

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Juski:

that said, our TV is on for about 4000 hours a year

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scopeuk:

wow

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Chutt:

10 hours a day's a tad excessive.

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scopeuk:

then again i dont know how much mine is on

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scopeuk:

Chutt how bout if there are 5 of you working diferent shifts

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Juski:

oops... got me sums wrong

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hfghfh:

anyway thanks, eskil, I'll just have to wait for that feature to be implemented then. Maybe through the new telenet interface or as commandline switch to mythfrontend.

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Juski:

it's never off at the weekend.. fucking soap omnibuses

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scopeuk:

soaps == devil spawn

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Juski:

until I got mythtv I never got to watch anything *I* like

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laga:

23 'prebuffering pause' messages per minute is a little bit excessive as well. i've got the odd feeling that the poor p3 won't even cut it with xvmc.

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scopeuk:

ive lost my asrial socket for my myth box now

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scopeuk:

its been claime for the tv in my brothers room

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Juski:

12 hours of soap opera a week can't be good for anyone's brain

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scopeuk:

if only i had one with tv out it whouldent matter

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scopeuk:

Juski any hours of soaps aweek isent good for any one

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Juski:

might be why I'm always pissed off & mardy in here

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scopeuk:

lol

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rever:

Hi I have setup mythtv and start mythfrontend. However I am getting this error...

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rever:

Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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scopeuk:

i think im gonan dig out another arial splitter

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rever:

Connection timed out.

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rever:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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rever:

settings in the setup program and set the

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rever:

proper IP address.

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Juski:

flood!

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Juski:

did somebody forget to start mythbackend?

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rever:

nope /etc/init.d/mythbackend is started also have restarted it. Sorry for the spam

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Juski:

is mythbackend still running though?

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Chutt:

someone didn't read the help text

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Chutt:

'localhost' is not an ip address.

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rever:

i also have tried 127.0.0.1

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Juski:

oh yeh.. I'll get my coat

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rever:

and my internal actuall ipaddress

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Chutt:

doubt it.

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** laga wonders if the RenderAccel and NvAGP settings for the nvidia binary driver will have any effect on playback performance at all **

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Juski:

RenderAccel can't be used, as talked about today

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Chutt:

render certainly won't

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kormoc:

jusk1, can't be used?

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Juski:

unstable as a wobbly thing apparently

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kormoc:

I don't find that the case

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** kormoc shrugs. **

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laga:

Chutt: great, one less thing to try :)

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Juski:

kormoc: YMMV apparently ;-)

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laga:

Juski: renderaccel works for some people from what i've heard *shrug*

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laga:

yep :)

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kormoc:

the only issues render accell should have are with composite afaik.

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kormoc:

cause it defaults on unless composite is loaded, and then it defaults off

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Chutt:

it defaults off all the time.

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Chutt:

Enable or disable hardware acceleration of the RENDER extension. THIS

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Chutt:

OPTION IS EXPERIMENTAL. ENABLE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK. Default: hardware

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Chutt:

acceleration of the RENDER extension is disabled.

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Chutt:

most current driver readme.

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kormoc:

oops, my mistake.

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laga:

darn, chutt beat me to it. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone hard of a video file that has a .ogg file extension ? I just came across a site with 3 "videos" all with .ogg file extensions and so far nothing is playing them

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macroexp:

theora, i'm sure

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kormoc:

yeah, have to be theora.

[19:22:00]

GreyFoxx:

everything seems to assume they are all oggvorbis based audio

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GreyFoxx:

lame

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kormoc:

ogg is a container format, and can contain vorbis and/or theora

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macroexp:

(and/or flac and/or speex)

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GreyFoxx:

Just seems odd that nothing I had would tell me what was in it, all just assumed it was audio

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kormoc:

file might be able to answer your question as well

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kormoc:

file blah.ogg

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Yup, never even thought to try that

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kahuna_:

Does my defaultdepth in X have to be set to anything special to use chromakey OSD?

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GreyFoxx:

fsck this, I'm not hunting down and installing something to watch this because someone doesn't want to use a more standard codec

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laga:

kahuna_: 24 works fine for me.

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stuarta:

evening all

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GreyFoxx:

Howdy

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stuarta:

how goes dishnet?

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't looked at it since Daniel replied to my email earlier

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GreyFoxx:

I've had to redo it several times over the last few days as he keeps moving things around under me :)

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stuarta:

cool. *grin* bit of a moving target...

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stuarta:

I'm going to do some event signatures tonight.

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GreyFoxx:

My main quesiton was how SIParser would know if the card was suppose to support dishnets lt eit tables

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GreyFoxx:

I added a config menu to the video source so a user can configure it

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stuarta:

It doesn't even know if the card supports eit.

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing in siparser knew the cardid for me to pull that value from the database

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stuarta:

guess my question is how is knowning about dishnet different from knowing about eit

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stuarta:

all it does now is subscribe to the eit pid and process what it gets.

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GreyFoxx:

Well, dishnet 7–9day guide is on a different pid

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GreyFoxx:

0x12 is standard, 0x300 is dishnet longterm

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kahuna_:

Speaking of EIT, is there a way to turn it off unless you're tuned to a specific TP?

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stuarta:

ahh, that makes sense then.

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kahuna_:

I just want to get the extended guide.

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: And we didn't want to add the pid unless it was explicitly wanted

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stuarta:

kahuna_: easiest way is to unset useonairguide for those channels.

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GreyFoxx:

so I'll implment the SetDishNetEIT(bool) suggestion

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: It makes sense. Forgot it was a different pid.

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kahuna_:

sure, but the processor still runs if siparser finds an EIT pid, right?

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stuarta:

kahuna_: we are currently rewriting that whole area. Specific requirements?

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GreyFoxx:

With the standard stuff yeah

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GreyFoxx:

the eitcach patch I did up would ignore events for channels that were not set

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GreyFoxx:

as well as ignore duplicates

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GreyFoxx:

I'll shoot off the dishnet patch tonight, and update the others over the next couple days

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stuarta:

dk didn't like it. something about memory usage...

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kahuna_:

stuarta: that's great. it would be nice to be able to ignore EIT events alltogether for a specific tp, as in not even add the PID.

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kahuna_:

But that seems like a bit of a hack.

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stuarta:

background info: dvb-s or dvb-t, what sat etc...

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: Well I was keeping a copy of the entire event, but certainly it could be trimmed to only keep serviced/eventid with atimestamp.... and cull the list periodically removing old entries in the case where someone leaves livetv running for a couple days

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kahuna_:

119W dvb-s. I'm pulling in guide data from Dish.

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stuarta:

kahuna_: is that an Astra?

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kahuna_:

nope. Echostar.

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: I've a method of doing that without even processing the event.

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kahuna_:

It would be nice to be able to fill in PPV without having to rely on the (sometimes) unreliable mythppv.com

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: You mean to avoid the ParseDVBEIT call?

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GreyFoxx:

the patch I had skipped processing the event if it was something we had already processed

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stuarta:

kahuna: Could you attach some info to ticket 1035 about the specifics of EIT data on this sat?

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: yep.

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GreyFoxx:

but it the call to ParseDVBEIT was still made, we just didn't prrocess the data

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: Cool, that would be much better

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe we should move this to #mythtv :)

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kahuna_:

I may be able to when I get home.

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stuarta:

yep

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kahuna_:

Anyway, it's great to see how far mythtv has come in the past couple of months.

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kahuna_:

I appreciate the work that you guys are doing on it, and I'll help in any way I can/

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stuarta:

kahuna_: thanks, the more info I have while rewriting the better...

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Cardoe:

anyone know what's up with transcoding with nuvexport in 0.19

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Cardoe:

it's a lot slower and worse quality

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scopeuk:

Cardoe have the default encoding settignschanged?

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** scopeuk doesent know but its the first thing i think of **

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kahuna_:

Sure you're not transcoding to mpeg1 320x240 :)

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kahuna_:

<- kidding.

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Cardoe:

same settings

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Kyler:

xris: The program only comes out once a month. I don't want record the same one every week.

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xris:

Kyler: then don't let myth record duplicates

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xris:

just set it up to "find and record one each week" and not record duplicates

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dtm:

Kyler: what did you set it at exactly

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Kyler:

xris: If it could sense duplicates I wouldn't be going through all of this.

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Kyler:

The other complexity is that the last episode was recorded on the 13th. I don't know how late in the month I should set it to record. I'll look at some old episodes to see if there's a pattern.

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Mersault:

If I'm going to try and get mythtv running on some older hardware I have lying around, what distro would people recommend? I'm looking for decent hardware support, small system overhead, and all the libs mythtv will need.

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laga:

Mersault: for my low-end frontend, i went with gentoo. but debian should work as well. just do a minimal install and install mythtv, apt-get should pull in all dependencies then

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meushi:

Mersault: I'm quite happy with debian on my antique machine for myth

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Mersault:

mmm. how about ubuntu? how is it's system overhead? I've seen it on other people's notebooks recently, and it looks pretty polished.

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meushi:

Mersault: ubuntu should be ok as well, ubuntu server at least

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Mersault:

well, excellent.

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wakko:

what's the name of the IRC channel for myth developers?

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laga:

#mythtv

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xris:

Kyler: why doesn't it detect dupes?

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MeneMMateo:

Hi Guy's, I've just "yum upgraded" from 0.18 to 0.19, including a kernel upgrade to kernel 2.6.15. IVTV drivers are updated as well. I've removed the default msp3400.ko but I still do not have any sound?

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Kyler:

xris: There's no episode info.

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xris:

Kyler: ahh

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Yellow-Snow:

sup all

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scopeuk:

chaned my hardware a little and am now installing FC4

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scopeuk:

nutting else thus far

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gr0mit_home:

has anything changed on 0.19 that would affect CPU usage on DVB cards?

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stuarta:

up or down

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gr0mit_home:

I am recording something ant it is around 50 – 90% CPU usage

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gr0mit_home:

I think it has gone up significantly

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laga:

probably the eit parser

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gr0mit_home:

what is the eit parser?

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Beirdo:

it parses the EIT, I bet

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gr0mit_home:

:-P

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stuarta:

the thing that gets program information from thin air.

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dev-:

startkeylogger

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gr0mit_home:

ah not using that

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dev-:

oops.

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laga:

Beirdo: smartass. ;)

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stuarta:

did you --disable-dvd-eit when building?

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Beirdo:

laga: yeah, your point is? :)

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gr0mit_home:

no i did not

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gr0mit_home:

am using xmltv to get the listings from UK radio times

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laga:

Beirdo: i thought it would get better without wisdom teeth ;) </corny puny>

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Beirdo:

ah, you expected me to be more of a dumbass?

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Beirdo:

that could be arranged

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laga:

heh

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scopeuk:

i got enough dumbass to cover both of us

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gr0mit_home:

stuarta are you using eit? and can I disable it in the setup without compile options?

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stuarta:

yes & no

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gr0mit_home:

do you see a major hit on cpu when your answer is 'yes' ??

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wakko:

hey guys – what's a good package to download via Synaptic for viewing the PVR250 feel without Myth? I want to use it to test my audio.

[21:12:00]

stuarta:

working on fixing the 2nd bit at the moment.

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wakko:

feed – not feel

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stuarta:

not major. and it reduces after a few minutes

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FallingCow:

Can I add my own search (SQL query) to the Search Lists in MythFrontend? If so, how?

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Beirdo:

Mooooo!

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Beirdo:

thud

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FallingCow:

I have a custom query, but I don't want it to automatically record everything that matches. I'd like to be able to review the matches and select the ones I want to record from those.

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scopeuk:

FallingCow im guessing you could have it save to a seperate section of the database/another database then create a hph bacsed webpage to view/edit the choices then move em to the proper place

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FallingCow:

The machine isn't networked, I was hoping to do the weeding out through MythFrontend instead of a web browser

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scopeuk:

ok

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scopeuk:

im sure there is probably a way but im no codign expert although mysql and php i do understand

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Agrajag-:

xris: you about?

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xris:

always

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Agrajag-:

i've added a simple frontends module to mythweb which queries the frontends and can send them to jumppoints and stuff via the network control thingy

[21:32:00]

Agrajag-:

before i get any further, just wondering if someone is already doing this?

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xris:

there's a patch in trac. haven't tested it yet, though

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Agrajag-:

got trac ticket url handy? :)

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xris:

no

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Agrajag-:

k i'll search

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xris:

I log in and it sorts all my stuff to the top. there are only a few.

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Agrajag-:

ok if it's this one http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1146 then that is totally retarded, mine is much better imho :P

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poningru:

I setup my zap2it account but it doesnt pull anything

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poningru:

anyone know what could be the prob?

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xris:

Agrajag-: post yours

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xris:

I'll compare them

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xris:

poningru: what errors do you get when you run mythfilldatabase?

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Chutt:

i find it funny that the knoppmyth forums don't allow anonymous read access anymore

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poningru:

xris: thats another problem my mysql server doesnt connect after restart

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poningru:

hold on brb

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xris:

poningru: start with one problem first...

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poningru:

yeah

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poningru:

let me try to figure out the mysql prob

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Agrajag-:

xris: will do when i get home

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Beirdo:

17:01:30 up 383 days, 14:25, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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xris:

not bad

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Beirdo:

that's the PVR

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

nice

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xris:

mine's not on a ups

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Beirdo:

me neither

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xris:

then very nice.

[22:03:00]

Beirdo:

17:03:05 up 271 days, 2:04, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.00

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Beirdo:

for the fileserver

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Beirdo:

that box is SO begging to be replaced with something AMD64

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Beirdo:

but I'm not spending money on computers right now

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kormoc:

cause you have a 0.05 load? :P

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Beirdo:

no, because it runs hot

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

"hot"

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

the PVR runs hotter

[22:04:00]

laga:

underclocking? better fan? ;)

[22:04:00]

Beirdo:

AthlonXP

[22:05:00]

Beirdo:

no choice but to run hot

[22:05:00]

laga:

heh

[22:06:00]

Beirdo:

that reminds me

[22:06:00]

laga:

Beirdo: FYI: playback on my low-end machine is still shitty even with gentoo :)

[22:06:00]

Beirdo:

I promised my mom I'd rebuild one of my old Athlon boxes for her to use...

[22:06:00]

Beirdo:

must buy hard drive and DVD-RW

[22:07:00]

Beirdo:

JEEZ are they cheap!

[22:08:00]

Beirdo:

right now, she's using a cast-off K6–2/475

[22:08:00]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:08:00]

Beirdo:

she will LOVE the Athlon

[22:08:00]

laga:

heh

[22:08:00]

laga:

crappy hardware :)

[22:08:00]

Beirdo:

my cast-offs

[22:09:00]

laga:

i should shell out a few euro to get myself a faster CPU. i believe i spent >100 hours turning this crappy box into an usable frontend.

[22:09:00]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:10:00]

Beirdo:

shit-can it and buy a real machine :)

[22:10:00]

shadash:

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/products_barebo . . . ame=Tuckaway

[22:10:00]

Beirdo:

yay

[22:10:00]

laga:

it's kind of an challenge now

[22:10:00]

Beirdo:

dual layer media at $4CDN a piece

[22:10:00]

Beirdo:

much better than the $25 each last time I looked

[22:10:00]

laga:

(and the Gf told me i can do it and i don't wanna disappoint her. note to self: never geek out anymore when she's around)

[22:11:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:11:00]

Beirdo:

what's the prize if you do it?

[22:12:00]

laga:

umm, running mythfrontend --verbose playback now..and i don't see any 'Prebuffering Pause' messages anymore. is it just a different message now for the same problem or are they *gasp* gone?

[22:12:00]

laga:

Beirdo: i get my mental sanity back

[22:12:00]

Beirdo:

bah, tha's not a prize

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laga:

Beirdo: watching porn in the bedroom?

[22:12:00]

Beirdo:

OK, that's a bit better

[22:12:00]

ivor:

anyone know of a source for h264 sample files?

[22:13:00]

laga:

Beirdo: i knew you would like that ;)

[22:13:00]

poningru:

running mythtv-setup whats the channel editor for?

[22:13:00]

Beirdo:

oh, like you don't

[22:13:00]

laga:

Beirdo: hehe

[22:13:00]

Juski:

hey laga. you know that daft megamix I sent you the other week? I've gone too far this time

[22:14:00]

Chutt:

ivor, what size?

[22:14:00]

laga:

Juski: one of your early mixes?

[22:14:00]

Juski:

laga: no, was dared to do one of those 'see how many records you can play in a certain time' challenged

[22:14:00]

Juski:

*challenges

[22:15:00]

laga:

i've mounted an nfs share on the frontend now instead of having mythfrontend stream everything from the backend. it *seems* to have improved playback. is that just my imagination or do other peopleh ave similar experiences?

[22:15:00]

laga:

Juski: umm, ok

[22:15:00]

Juski:

laga: someone noticed that yesterday

[22:15:00]

poningru:

xris: can you help now? I just did %mythfilldatabase

[22:15:00]

Beirdo:

the readahead in NFS may well give much better performance

[22:16:00]

Beirdo:

and other stuff like that

[22:16:00]

laga:

oh. spiffy. very, very spiffy.

[22:16:00]

FallingCow:

poningru: Manually adding or fine tuning a channel

[22:16:00]

laga:

Juski: got a bootleg?

[22:16:00]

Beirdo:

I've been using NFS for so long now, I forget what it was like without it

[22:16:00]

Juski:

just checking it now, laga ;-)

[22:16:00]

laga:

Juski: heh

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poningru:

FallingCow: oh ok thanks

[22:17:00]

laga:

Beirdo: ;) i alwayys thought the myth protocol was sufficient. looks like nfs may better in some cases.

[22:17:00]

Chutt:

it'll seek faster

[22:17:00]

Beirdo:

well, the myth protocol works, but I doubt it's been tweaked for max performance. NFS has had more years of tweaking for raw throughput

[22:17:00]

** scopeuk is hating only having one ps2 port omn this comptuer **

[22:17:00]

poningru:

FallingCow: manually adding? thats if myth doesnt detect my channels?

[22:18:00]

Beirdo:

seeking, yeah, I can see myth's internal protocol being way faster :)

[22:18:00]

laga:

Chutt: myth protocol or nfs?

[22:18:00]

Chutt:

nfs

[22:18:00]

Beirdo:

my box still occasionally burps on seeking, but I've had no time to debug

[22:18:00]

FallingCow:

poningru: yes, or you can setup a fake channel for component in if you tuner has one

[22:19:00]

Beirdo:

cool

[22:19:00]

laga:

Chutt: well, it looks like it fixed my issues with buffering, that's all i care for at the moment :)

[22:19:00]

Beirdo:

well, I stand corrected

[22:19:00]

Beirdo:

:)

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** laga tries to break his box again **

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FallingCow:

What is the order Myth uses to determine which shows to autoexpire first?

[22:20:00]

macroexp:

how does that work, does the frontend try to open the recording from the filesystem then fall back to streaming from the backend if that fails?

[22:20:00]

** scopeuk is an expert at that **

[22:20:00]

laga:

i should sit down and read some source code to see how the various bits actually fit together

[22:20:00]

** Beirdo hands laga a sledgehammer **

[22:20:00]

stuarta:

string & sticky tape? :)

[22:20:00]

Beirdo:

fast way to break the box

[22:20:00]

Beirdo:

fun too

[22:21:00]

laga:

macroexp: the FE will try to open the recording on the Fs if RecordedFilePrefix is set for that host in the settings table

[22:21:00]

clint30:

I am running Knoppmyth and neeed to know where I should put nvidia-settings -l so that the settings are reloaded whenever gdm is started/restarted

[22:21:00]

laga:

Beirdo: now! don't you dare! :)

[22:21:00]

macroexp:

ah, gotcha.

[22:21:00]

Beirdo:

well, I'm gonna go home

[22:21:00]

Beirdo:

enough of this work crap

[22:21:00]

laga:

work is overrated anyways

[22:21:00]

Beirdo:

especially when I'm still not feeling all that great

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clint30:

examples ref /home/mythtv/.kde/autostart/myth-load.sh but knoppmyth doesnt use KDE AFAIK

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FallingCow:

clint30: correct. Knopmyth uses Fluxbox

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drdaz:

lo all... I was wondering if anybody has found their EPG times off by 1 hour in 0.19?

[22:25:00]

drdaz:

it's a shot in the dark... trying to find or eliminate any reason for this happening

[22:25:00]

drdaz:

I'm scraping using xmltv... the site has the correct times

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poningru:

where do you have to go to signup for zap2it?

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sillysally:

hey guys

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poningru:

I went here: http://tvlistings2.zap2it.com

[22:26:00]

poningru:

and signed up

[22:26:00]

RaYmAn-Bx:

drdaz: sounds like something todo with timezones then...(I have yet to actually get mythtv installed so I can only really guess)

[22:26:00]

sillysally:

i am sooo happy!!! i have Mythtv working but only have 2 probs that i need help with anyone got some extra time?

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drdaz:

yeah... it does sound that way :) thing is its been working fine in 0.18 and I *think* the issue has started since upgrading

[22:27:00]

FallingCow:

poningru: labs.zap2it.com IIRC

[22:27:00]

Juski:

sillysally: stop being silly, sally and just ask already

[22:28:00]

drdaz:

so perhaps myth has some timezone options that I havent noticed

[22:28:00]

** drdaz shrugs **

[22:28:00]

FallingCow:

poningru: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3

[22:28:00]

sillysally:

for some reason my dvd drive won't mount dvd's and my lirc works but when i use it on my monitor the screen "blinks" when moving selections.. it does do that using the keyboard tho lol

[22:29:00]

poningru:

FallingCow: ooh thanks

[22:29:00]

poningru:

also I got this error on command: mythtvbackend -d

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sillysally:

my dvd drive seems to be recognized and it's symlinked to hda properly

[22:29:00]

poningru:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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poningru:

Failed to bind port: 6543

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sillysally:

i am not getting the typical libdvdcss error it just says "Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/hda"

[22:31:00]

scopeuk:

1maby its jsut me but isent hda normaly your hdd and hdc normaly your dvd]

[22:31:00]

sillysally:

it will open up cdroms just fine... to explore.. i havent' trided to do music yet but that 'should" work

[22:31:00]

scopeuk:

that is looking iirc at the first channel on the primary ide bus

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scopeuk:

how is your gear wired up internaly

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scopeuk:

from that error it looks to me like myth is looking in the wrong place for the dvd drive

[22:32:00]

sillysally:

it is wired up properly.. i have a pundit and the wires are set up properly.. my harddrive is hdb1–4

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psofa:

anyone that knows of a good reference of how video works/demultiplexing etc etc? im searching for a starting point

[22:33:00]

laga:

pundit should be /dev/hdb then

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sillysally:

sorry what was that laga?

[22:34:00]

sillysally:

i have trying to diagnose the problem using mplayer and xine from the command line and am not sure where your going with that

[22:34:00]

drdaz:

btw Juski... I'm using your projectgrayhem-wide theme... very nicely done. But... :) I'm getting some weirdness in Mythmusic. The visualizations window is right up against the right edge of the screen along with the volume meter (when its in use) and the two top categories (All my Music and My playlists) are barely visible (only the first couple of letters of each). I'm running on a 16:9 CRT @ 1024*768 fwiw..

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laga:

sillysally: sorry, hehe :). the asus pundit (ab-p2600) only has one ide channel, so normally, your optical device would be /dev/hdb – but if your hard drive is hdb, your dvd drive should be hda, if properly jumpered

[22:35:00]

sillysally:

my cdrom is symlinked to hda and works with no probs

[22:35:00]

drdaz:

it was also necessary for me to adjust the font size in the theme for the main menu items to fit on one line..

[22:35:00]

sillysally:

yep

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drdaz:

... just curious if these 'symptoms' sound familiar at all

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sillysally:

opp.... okay it looks like it might be libdvdcss .. here is what i am getting from xine (sorry for the spam)

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

xine -pfhq --auto-scan dvd

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

This is xine (X11 gui) – a free video player v0.99.4.

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.

[22:38:00]

laga:

sillysally: no spam!

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading

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laga:

dammit.

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.

[22:38:00]

sillysally:

libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading

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sillysally:

xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP.

[22:39:00]

sillysally:

Aborted

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sillysally:

sorry lagga

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laga:

sillysally: libdvdcss is not to be discussed here

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sillysally:

err laga

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laga:

sillysally: set the correct path for your dvd device in xine

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kormoc:

laga, what does mythdvd use to decode dvd's in the internal player?

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sillysally:

it uses libdvdcss

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jams:

or check permissions on /dev/dvd

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sillysally:

sorry to bring that to this area.. i will keep googling on that

[22:43:00]

FallingCow:

Does myth autoexpire shows by recorded.autoexpire in descending order?

[22:43:00]

sillysally:

check permissions?

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sillysally:

hmmm

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kormoc:

sillysally, make sure your user can read the device

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sillysally:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Feb 22 03:04 /dev/dvd -> hda

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laga:

it uses libdvdread.

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laga:

not libdvdcss.

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jams:

so check /dev/hda

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laga:

sillysally: hint: substitute libdvdcss by libdvdread in your questions :)

[22:45:00]

sillysally:

understood

[22:45:00]

kormoc:

sillysally, check the permissions on /dev/hda

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laga:

OMFG so awesome. i've just watched a whole recording without getting any 'prebuffering pause' messages. i believe mounting an nfs share on the frontend instead of streaming the recordings over the myth protocol was the required change! :))

[22:45:00]

kormoc:

sillysally, symlinks use the permissions of the file/device they point to

[22:45:00]

** laga does the happy dance **

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sillysally:

brw------- 1 infinite disk 3, 0 Feb 22 03:04 /dev/hda

[22:46:00]

sillysally:

the only user on the box is "infinite"

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

it should be readable then

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kormoc:

tho, that is *very* odd permissions for a disk

[22:47:00]

laga:

(i've just had a prebuffering pause message. disregard what i've written)

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sillysally:

odd.. any suggestions?

[22:48:00]

Cardoe:

kormoc: can you test mythtv-0.19-r1?

[22:48:00]

laga:

Cardoe: is it hard-masked? or just ~x86?

[22:48:00]

Cardoe:

~x86

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laga:

yay.

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kormoc:

Cardoe, sure can

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Cardoe:

laga: it's mythtv-0.19 + patch from 8926 -> 9092 of SVN

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Cardoe:

basically it's all the commits to release-0-19-fixes

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dev-:

Cardoe: nice!

[22:49:00]

laga:

Cardoe: i should test it, but i'm afraid of breaking things. let me get a backup first.

[22:49:00]

Cardoe:

Gonna regularly incorproate release-0-19-fixes in

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laga:

that's a great time to see if my package.mask magic actually works :)

[22:50:00]

laga:

Cardoe: that sounds great ;)

[22:50:00]

Chutt:

guess i won't need to do a 0.19.1 release

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drdaz:

erm wow... more on the hour discrepancy here.. I just checked the xmltv output – it's correct

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drdaz:

its an hour off in the database

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sandos:

cool, Ive got myth running ;)

[22:50:00]

Cardoe:

Chutt: I assumed you wouldn't

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sillysally:

any more thughts fellas?

[22:51:00]

laga:

Chutt: why not? because the package maintainers already do all the work? :)

[22:51:00]

drdaz:

any ideas what could be causing this?

[22:51:00]

dev-:

Chutt: if you fixed alot of things, dont think it'd be a bad idea to release a .1

[22:51:00]

clint30:

I am running Knoppmyth and neeed to know where I should put nvidia-settings -l so that the settings are reloaded whenever X under knoppmyth (fluxbox)dm is started/restarted

[22:51:00]

Cardoe:

sillysally: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 Feb 22 13:16 /dev/hda

[22:51:00]

Cardoe:

sillysally: it really needs to be readable by the "disk" group

[22:51:00]

Chutt:

because all the package maintainers are pulling from svn

[22:51:00]

laga:

Chutt: heh

[22:51:00]

Chutt:

so why should i even bother doing releases at all

[22:51:00]

Cardoe:

Chutt: because we assumed you wouldn't

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sillysally:

Cardoe how do i change that?

[22:51:00]

Chutt:

yeah, and that i've said 'there's probably be a 0.19.1 release'

[22:51:00]

laga:

Chutt: releases are goooood!

[22:52:00]

Chutt:

it's even in the release notes for 0.19

[22:52:00]

Cardoe:

Chutt: you told me you're gonna try not to... only if absolutely necessary

[22:52:00]

Cardoe:

sillysally: chmod g+rw /dev/hda

[22:52:00]

Chutt:

why would we be putting stuff into the branch if not?

[22:52:00]

drdaz:

... it must be the mythfilldatabase command that's causing this... but why?

[22:52:00]

Cardoe:

Chutt: didn't make a 0.18.2

[22:52:00]

Cardoe:

and 0.18.1 was wayyy behind the branch

[22:52:00]

Chutt:

because 0.19 was almost ready.

[22:52:00]

laga:

Chutt: stuff was put into 0.18.2-fixes as well

[22:53:00]

Chutt:

otherwise, there would have been.

[22:53:00]

Chutt:

the stuff post 0.18.1 was mostly just compile fixes, too

[22:53:00]

Chutt:

no actual bugs

[22:53:00]

Cardoe:

like not working with mysql 5?

[22:54:00]

Chutt:

it still doesn't work with mysql 5 :p

[22:54:00]

Cardoe:

0-18–2 does

[22:54:00]

Chutt:

try leaving it idle for > 8 hours

[22:54:00]

Chutt:

no, it doesn't

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sillysally:

i don't think that changed anything :-(

[22:54:00]

Chutt:

the server will time out and myth won't reconnect :p

[22:54:00]

sillysally:

brw-rw---- 1 infinite disk 3, 0 Feb 22 03:04 /dev/hda

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sandos:

infinite? How useful

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kormoc:

sillysally, it's now readable/writable by the group (disk)

[22:55:00]

kormoc:

sandos, she chowned it from root to her user

[22:55:00]

sillysally:

grrr still won't access a dvd :-(

[22:56:00]

Cardoe:

sillysally: hda isn't a DVD drive

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Cardoe:

sillysally: unless you have SATA or SCSI for your HDs

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kormoc:

Cardoe, ooh? scsi/sata usually is sdx

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laga:

umm, why would hda *not* be a dvd drive?

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** kormoc points to his hda dvdrw and his sda sata disk. **

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Cardoe:

like I said

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dev-:

you guys should more than 1 line at a time.

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dev-:

+read

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kormoc:

Cardoe, or the dvd is first on the chain?

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Cardoe:

if you have SATA/SCSI Hard Drives then you would have DVD as hda

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sillysally:

yea.. my drive is assigned to hda and is a dvdrw

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kormoc:

Cardoe, up above, she said her harddrive was hdb

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Cardoe:

dmesg | grep hda

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Cardoe:

paste that line

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sillysally:

hmm i got lots

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sillysally:

and i don't want to spam

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Cardoe:

grep hda /etc/fstab

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sillysally:

here is the last line

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drdaz:

ftr I think I got it... xmltv time offset in mythtv-setup

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sillysally:

hda: packet command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 }

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kormoc:

sillysally, he wanted the first line or two, the one that says it's a dvd drive

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sillysally:

/dev/hda /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0

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Cardoe:

ok. I'm surprised but ok.

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Cardoe:

sillysally: well that dmesg output is important

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Cardoe:

because it's having errors with your DVD drive

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kormoc:

sillysally, post the output into pastebin.ca and link us

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sillysally:

hmmm that is funny.. i had changed that via Jerods guide to be isoxxx whatever and now it's back to this

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AranC23:

does anyone use mythcommflag --rebuild? does it work for you? I restored a recording and added the recorded entry, but don't have the recordedmarkup entries. seeking doesn't work right, I'm guessing --rebuild doesn't work or something...

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sillysally:

okay it's http://pastebin.ca/42830

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sillysally:

that dmesg filled my buffer so i put in as much as i could

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kormoc:

sillysally, you sure that dvd isn't dead?

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sillysally:

yep.. i installed linux with it yesterday and can read cd's with it

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kormoc:

the dvd, not the drive

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sillysally:

k do you mean the disk in the drive? cuz i have more to try. and have tried some that i have authored on a windows box to no avail

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kormoc:

those errors indicate that the drive is having issues readint the disk. I've had a dvd drive that read cd's fine, but not dvds, and if your disks are all good, then perhaps yours has the same issue

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xris:

kormoc: normal people call that a "cd drive".. ;)

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kormoc:

xris, hehe, yeah, but it was labeled a dvd drive and at one point in it's life, it did read dvds :P

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laga:

xris: where di you get a minion that smart? ;))

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xris:

laga: don't dis my minion

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braniff:

are there packages available for FC3 or ubuntu yet ??

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xris:

braniff: for .19? atrpms has had them for at least a week

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sillysally:

okay so your saying my dvdrw drive isn't a dvd drive?

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braniff:

oh ok

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kormoc:

sillysally, I'm saing that perhaps the dvd reading part of your drive failed.

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sillysally:

hmmmm

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sillysally:

never heard of that b4.. but will go buy a new one and try out another one

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AranC23:

sillysally: you could try it out under some "other" operating system

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AranC23:

that usually sorts the driver vs. hardware question out

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AranC23:

if that's convenient

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kormoc:

or even boot off of a live cd for a different distro and see if it works on that one

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sillysally:

yea that would be the best way to rule that out

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sillysally:

ooo now that sounds easy.... but don't you "have" to have 2 drives to support such a config i.e. one for the distro and one for the dvd test?

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kormoc:

sillysally, depends on the live cd

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sillysally:

any suggestions?

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kormoc:

some will load everything into memory and run from that, so you can eject the disk

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kormoc:

not offhand, no. It's been a long time sense I've done a live cd

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dev-:

knoppix maybe?

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braniff:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

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braniff:

"50 megabytes of penguin power!"

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GreyFoxx:

zhead->table_idhead->table_id bb jcnsdj

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GreyFoxx:

GRRR

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psofa:

erm i just lost all my secondary frontend settings.I started the secondary frontend and it was like setting it up for the first time

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psofa:

the primary frontend is alive though

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sillysally:

dsl have a dvd player?

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AranC23:

psofa: you may not have lost them, is it possible that the hostname for the secondary frontend changed:

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AranC23:

?

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: not quite what you want...

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psofa:

AranC23, oh crap

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psofa:

you are correct

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psofa:

how will i fix that mess

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: That was my daughter :)

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braniff:

change the hostname back to what it was ?

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GreyFoxx:

cutnpaste + random keys :)

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psofa:

it was localhost

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AranC23:

well, you can just do an update on your table or change the hostname...

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stuarta:

:)

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AranC23:

if you liked your settings just do something like update settings set hostname='newhostname' where hostname='localhost'; or something

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AranC23:

of course, I've mangled my settings table more than once with an ill-conceived update so, maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all

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psofa:

:P

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braniff:

there is a command: hostname to set your machine's hostname in linux

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dev-:

heh!

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psofa:

okay just tell me where these things are in the database

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braniff:

as root: "# hostname localhost"

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AranC23:

braniff: maybe he doesn't like calling the system "localhost"

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AranC23:

it's a bit awkward

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psofa:

ofc i had a reason for changing the hostname

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psofa:

:)

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comcipher:

Is there a feature of mythtv that lets you view movie trailers?

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AranC23:

psofa: if you use the mysql client you can use the command I posted above... I think it ought to work, might want to back up settings just in case your paranoid.

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braniff:

heh...probably quicker just to go through setup again for new frontend than to fiddle with the database

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psofa:

sure but i want to make sure that things are ok first

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AranC23:

braniff: true

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psofa:

in the settings table i see only the primary frontends hostname, that is Thunderbird

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AranC23:

depending on how much time spent setting things up

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AranC23:

select distinct hostname from settings;

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braniff:

"Thunderbird" — that's a powerful sounding hostname! Much better than "localhost" lol

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psofa:

braniff, its the cpu's codename

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sillysally:

is it thunderbird 1 or 2 or 3? who flies in it?

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scopeuk:

me muhahaha

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psofa:

the other two pc's are barton and winchester

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braniff:

he

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braniff:

heh

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dev-:

man i thought my boxes hostname was powerful, but now im starting to think tweetybird just doesnt stand anymore

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sillysally:

;-)

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psofa:

:/

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scopeuk:

think mine are called main scotts nathans naomis 450 433 800

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scopeuk:

numbers may have mhz after i cant remember

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AranC23:

gotta run... good luck psofa

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psofa:

where are the damn frontend settings in the database

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dev-:

in the settings table

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sillysally:

oh hey has anyone run into that other issue i am having?

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braniff:

what issue is that?

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dev-:

no i barely missed it, swirved at the last second

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sillysally:

where using your remote chaning options makes the screen blink but doesn't do it with the keyboard?

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psofa:

dev-, in the settings table i only see the main frontends settings

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sillysally:

errr changing

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: shouldn't AddPid only be called once eachtime the EITscanner starts?

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dev-:

psofa: well that could be a problem :D

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psofa:

:P

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sillysally:

lol.. i guess no one as seen tht before

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stuarta:

AddPid needs burning to the ground

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sillysally:

okay well.. off to try that dsl image will let you guys know what i find out

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stuarta:

No, since it's added from siparser, which gets reset on every channel change

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stuarta:

the reset unAdd's the pid

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: Yeah, I'm watching add the AddPid for both 0x12 and 0x300 at the end of HandleSDT are run every SDT pass, which is several times asecond

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stuarta:

#mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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o_cee:

any of you who can recomment a good dvb-t card capable of future hd broadcasts (europe)?

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o_cee:

twinhans are cheap, are they any good?

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Agrajag-:

i have 2 of them and they work fine

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Agrajag-:

some people have said their tuners aren't at all sensitive so you get poor signal strength (i only get about 30% and live close to the broadcast towers)

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Agrajag-:

but 30% is fine for me anyway

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o_cee:

Agrajag-, you know if there are different versions of them? http://www.twinhan.com/product_terrestrial_2.asp that one doesn't look like the ones my regular webshops have..

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wakko:

noppmyth

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wakko:

oops

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Stephmw:

just played with knoppmyth, but not having a spare hdd I can image to hand, I'm curious: does an install of knoppmyth on a hdd allow my to run a hybrid front/backend?

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Stephmw:

*me

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Agrajag-:

o_cee: look similar to the ones i have

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Agrajag-:

although actually i dont think mine is 'mini'

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Agrajag-:

o_cee: this is what i have http://www.pccasegear.com/prod1625.htm

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Agrajag-:

looks pretty much the same specs

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o_cee:

aight, thanks.. most importantly i guess is that it's supported by linux

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laga:

o_cee: www.linuxtv.org has a list of supported cards, i believe – in case you didn't know :)

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o_cee:

laga, heh yeah, not a very good list though

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o_cee:

very confusing sometimes

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jams:

Stephmw- yes

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laga:

heh. i just redirect people there – i'm kinda jealous because i can't get DVB :)

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Stephmw:

jams, thanks!

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