| Tuesday, February 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | xpis: | The information should be somewhere on fedora.redhat.com |
| [00:01:00] | briand: | no doubt. anyway.. I'll be in the living room, squinting at a 12" monitor (the myth box usually only uses the pvr-350's TV-Out port.) |
| [00:01:00] | xpis: | Try fedorafaq.org |
| [00:01:00] | briand: | and i'll install the stuff from the cd |
| [00:02:00] | PeterA: | Does anyone use teletext subtitles successfully with mythtv? |
| [00:02:00] | xpis: | You have probably updated qt since you installed, so the qt-devel package there won't work. |
| [00:03:00] | xpis: | Do you have another FC3 machine with yum working you can copy the repos.d from? |
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| [00:04:00] | xpis: | ok, I put mine here: |
| [00:05:00] | xpis: | https://71.65.48.5/repos |
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| [00:07:00] | xpis: | Replace $releasever with 3, and $basearch with i386 |
| [00:08:00] | briand: | grab all of those? |
| [00:08:00] | xpis: | And use fedora.repo and fedora-updates.repo. |
| [00:08:00] | xpis: | Probably fedora-extras-devel and fedora-extras too. |
| [00:11:00] | briand: | okay.. got 'em. now just scp 'em over to /etc on my mythbox, right? |
| [00:12:00] | briand: | er, rather... /etc/yum.repos.d |
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| [00:15:00] | briand: | xpis: okay.. got 'em all installed. now just search/replace '$releasever' with '3' and '$basesearch' with 'i386' in all files, right? |
| [00:16:00] | xpis: | yes |
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| [00:18:00] | flyr: | Hi.. |
| [00:18:00] | Spida: | hi |
| [00:19:00] | flyr: | Is it now recommended (required?) to run mythfilldatabase in the mythbackend, rather than cron? |
| [00:19:00] | Spida: | flyr: aeh, whats the difference? you can run mythfilldatabase with cron |
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| [00:20:00] | xpis: | It's best to NOT do it with cron as to do it at random times. |
| [00:20:00] | xpis: | Having mythtv run it will ensure that it gets run at random times, as requested by datadirect. |
| [00:20:00] | Spida: | hm, does ivtv need anything beside the firmware and ivtv.ko? |
| [00:20:00] | kormoc: | xpis, it's not random times |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | xpis, they tell you the best time to grab listings |
| [00:21:00] | Spida: | xpis: you can run it at random times with cron, too. |
| [00:21:00] | xpis: | kormoc: yes. And that time is a random time during daytime hours. |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | xpis, it's not random, no |
| [00:21:00] | kormoc: | xpis, they pick the low usage times and balance it out based on that |
| [00:21:00] | xpis: | kormoc: ok, diversified. |
| [00:22:00] | flyr: | Yeah, I realize it's considerate to run it at a random time... |
| [00:22:00] | xpis: | kormoc: it doesn't matter.. it is whatever the server requests – which is what mythtv does. |
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| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | xpis, saying random times tho would mean it's the same as a random cron time, which it's not, tis all |
| [00:22:00] | flyr: | However, after upgrading it's not inserting new data. |
| [00:22:00] | kormoc: | flyr, that's more likley due to the 3 day limit now |
| [00:22:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: now I found something totally weird haha |
| [00:23:00] | kormoc: | flyr, datadirect is getting so hammered, they lowered it down to 3 days from 13. |
| [00:23:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: my history was making it borken :/ |
| [00:23:00] | kormoc: | ouch |
| [00:23:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I hate dumping my history heh |
| [00:24:00] | jasta: | backi tup |
| [00:24:00] | jasta: | i just gzip it. |
| [00:24:00] | jasta: | once every other month |
| [00:24:00] | flyr: | kormoc: I read that. But isn't the load the same: data for today and third day out? |
| [00:25:00] | flyr: | kormoc: Two days, no matter whether you have 13 days worth or 3? |
| [00:25:00] | kormoc: | flyr, for most people, aye, but they had a lot of issues (one person was pulling over 1000 times a day the full 13 day set) |
| [00:25:00] | flyr: | kormoc: they deserve to be filtered... |
| [00:26:00] | kormoc: | my understanding is they are working on that, but until they get a solution, this is what we have |
| [00:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: thats absolutely lame those smacktards should be banned |
| [00:26:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I was reading that myself just a few mins ago |
| [00:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | fyi, they restored it back to 13 days |
| [00:27:00] | kormoc: | yay! |
| [00:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yeah they did |
| [00:27:00] | SlicerDicer-: | it was on there forums |
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| [00:27:00] | briand: | xpis: okay. i have all your .repo files, and have made the edits. placed 'em in /etc/yum.repo.d and ran `yum install qt-devel` and it doesn't try anything other than [at-stable]. ditto when i move them to /etc instead of /etc/yum.repo.d |
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| [00:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: but they should do like what gentoo resync mirrors do and say only one update allowed per day anymore than that can lead to ban and strike fear in people like me! :p |
| [00:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | remember me being scared about being banned haha |
| [00:28:00] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer-, they already do say that, as they only update the data once a day |
| [00:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ohh well I did not read it heh |
| [00:28:00] | kormoc: | :P |
| [00:28:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I just know :) |
| [00:29:00] | xpis: | briand: try putting the data directly into yum.conf |
| [00:29:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Gentoo has shown me the true and righteous path! ;-) |
| [00:30:00] | briand: | okeydoke. |
| [00:30:00] | Spida: | SlicerDicer-: *g* |
| [00:31:00] | Spida: | hm, anybody got a cool lightweigth wm for myth? |
| [00:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | icewm is what i use |
| [00:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Spida: fluxbox rocks |
| [00:32:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats what I use |
| [00:32:00] | kormoc: | Spacey__, xfce4 myself |
| [00:34:00] | briand: | xpis: this? > for i in *.repo do; cat $i >>yum.conf; done < ?? |
| [00:36:00] | xpis: | briand: there's not that much data.. just copy and paste... |
| [00:36:00] | xpis: | but yes, that would work.. |
| [00:36:00] | briand: | actually, it doesn't work. |
| [00:39:00] | xpis: | uh.. you misplaced your ; |
| [00:40:00] | briand: | indeed. |
| [00:40:00] | xpis: | for i in *.repoHERE>>;<<HERE do cat $i >>yum.conf; done |
| [00:40:00] | briand: | anyway.. there all in there now. |
| [00:40:00] | xpis: | ok.. does it work now? |
| [00:40:00] | briand: | now, i'm just trying to figure out why it's still only looking at at-stable, even though some of those are set at enable=1 |
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| [00:41:00] | xpis: | remove at-stable |
| [00:41:00] | xpis: | (comment it out) |
| [00:42:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | does anyone know anything about this error "DVB#0 Timeout Getting PMT"? |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | done. |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | [root@mythtv etc]# yum install qt-devel |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | Setting up Install Process |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | Setting up Repos |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 |
| [00:42:00] | briand: | Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: extras |
| [00:43:00] | briand: | it was commented out. :) |
| [00:44:00] | kormoc: | briand, please don't spam the channel. |
| [00:45:00] | briand: | xpis: okay. It ran... stops at: "Error: Missing Dependency: libviaXvMC.so.1 is needed by package mplayer" |
| [00:45:00] | xpis: | mplayer? |
| [00:45:00] | xpis: | You are doing qt-devel |
| [00:45:00] | briand: | yes. |
| [00:45:00] | xpis: | IS there something strange in your yum.conf? |
| [00:45:00] | xpis: | s/IS/Is/ |
| [00:45:00] | briand: | nope |
| [00:46:00] | briand: | just what we just put there. |
| [00:46:00] | xpis: | it may be left over from when you tried to use it with atrpms |
| [00:46:00] | briand: | yum clean ? |
| [00:46:00] | xpis: | yes |
| [00:46:00] | xpis: | try it |
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| [00:48:00] | briand: | 'k. ran `yum clean all` and am rerunning `yum install qt-devel` |
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| [00:49:00] | briand: | xpis: same result. "Error: Missing Dependency: libviaXvMC.so.1 is needed by package mplayer" |
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| [00:50:00] | xpis: | Delete everything in /var/cache/yum |
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| [00:52:00] | achew22: | aaw... I killed my mythbox.... |
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| [00:53:00] | xpis: | achew22: to what extent? |
| [00:53:00] | achew22: | I don't know — I'm checking the dammage |
| [00:53:00] | briand: | xpis: did that. but the qt-devel still has the same dependancy for mplayer, which has the dependancy for libviaXvMC.so.1 ... thus, same result. |
| [00:53:00] | achew22: | I will just reinstall its no bigg |
| [00:53:00] | achew22: | biggy* |
| [00:54:00] | xpis: | qt-devel does NOT depend on mplayer |
| [00:54:00] | D-side: | oh how I screw myself over with all things mythtv. |
| [00:54:00] | D-side: | i have no idea what to do with this problem. pfeh. |
| [00:54:00] | xpis: | It's most likely being caused by severely messed up packages on your system. Most likely from atrpms. |
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| [00:55:00] | xris: | fyi to everyone, zap2it just removed their 3-day cap... but please don't go downloading your listings now or their servers may overload. Things should start working properly with your next automated download. |
| [00:55:00] | xpis: | try using apt-get to delete mythtv-suite. |
| [00:55:00] | D-side: | xris: they were limiting listings to 3 days worth? for how long? |
| [00:55:00] | achew22: | I have a general question... i'm not sure what this is its a window that says "run as root – KDE su" then it says "Please enter your password" and under command it says "mythbackend '-session' '10a1cf746800001139...'" |
| [00:55:00] | xpis: | xris: are you sure you wanted to announce that? |
| [00:55:00] | xris: | D-side: since the 11th or so |
| [00:55:00] | briand: | xpis: won't that remove my current myth installation? |
| [00:55:00] | achew22: | what is that? |
| [00:56:00] | xpis: | briand: yes, it will. |
| [00:56:00] | D-side: | xris: shows how perceptive I am. thanks though. |
| [00:56:00] | achew22: | briand: you cant make an omlet without breaking a few pots/pans |
| [00:56:00] | xris: | xpis: I trust users here to be polite to the nice people who give us free tv listing data. |
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| [00:56:00] | xris: | D-side: well, those of us who already had 2 weeks of data wouldn't see much problem |
| [00:56:00] | jerky_2: | are fedora core 4 RPMs available for mythtv 0.19 now? |
| [00:56:00] | xris: | jerky_2: yes, in atrpms testing |
| [00:56:00] | achew22: | is .19 out yet? |
| [00:57:00] | xpis: | achew22: topic |
| [00:57:00] | xris: | achew22: on friday |
| [00:57:00] | achew22: | wow — i missed a memo... |
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| [00:57:00] | achew22: | time to go get the source |
| [00:57:00] | achew22: | any really cool features? |
| [00:57:00] | xpis: | achew22: mpeg2 splicing |
| [00:57:00] | achew22: | ooh! |
| [00:57:00] | briand: | xpis: i'm not convinced this is the way to go (deleting the current myth installation). mplayer is, in fact, part of the qt-devel package |
| [00:57:00] | achew22: | thats cool — I have a pvr-150 |
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| [00:58:00] | D-side: | i'll just throw this out here... anyone see an issue upgrading from 0.18.1 to 0.19, with regards to opengl related stuff failing? |
| [00:58:00] | xris: | xpis: I still need to try that out |
| [00:58:00] | xris: | D-side: never had an issue.. been running svn for months |
| [00:58:00] | briand: | yes.. mpeg2 splicing is the main reason i want to upgrade... i have a pvr-350 and a pvr-500 |
| [00:58:00] | xpis: | briand: no, mplayer is a atrpms package. |
| [00:59:00] | xpis: | briand: it is not included with qt-devel. |
| [00:59:00] | achew22: | why would you need to beable to control mythfrontend through telnet? |
| [00:59:00] | xpis: | briand: it's not included by fedora at all due to patent/copyright concerns. |
| [00:59:00] | D-side: | xris: i figured as much. its my... interesting installation thats the fault, so i'm going to have tons of fun tracking it down. |
| [00:59:00] | D-side: | i can't really upgrade until theres an 0.19 xbmcmythtv update anyway. |
| [01:00:00] | kslater: | I'm thinking the telent interface would be great for those that can get to their box remotely |
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| [01:00:00] | kslater: | but don't want to run a web server |
| [01:01:00] | achew22: | ohh.... but frontend has to be up for htat... |
| [01:01:00] | xris: | D-side: :( |
| [01:01:00] | briand: | xpis: well, we commented out the references to AT-STABLE, so it's not even looking there. We ran "yum clean all" so there's nothing left over from before... |
| [01:01:00] | xris: | kslater: it's to control the frontend.. as in remotely tell it to play livetv, etc. |
| [01:01:00] | D-side: | oh dont feel sorry for me in the slightest. i've gone and screwed myself majorly, to the point where I have no one to blame but myself. |
| [01:01:00] | jerky_2: | what is mpeg2 splicing? |
| [01:02:00] | xpis: | briand: but there are atrpms packages. Atrpms packages have completely messed up dependencies. |
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| [01:02:00] | D-side: | I decided it would be a nice idea to xen'ify the mythtv box. :) |
| [01:02:00] | achew22: | WHAT!!! I didn't have LAME installed?!?!?!? |
| [01:02:00] | briand: | jerky_2: taking your regular captured tv shows, and then trimming out the commercials (or whatever), then transcoding to a new file just like the old one, but without the commercials (or whatever) |
| [01:02:00] | D-side: | thats... lame. :D |
| [01:03:00] | jerky_2: | ah, ok – so it's not reducing the quality at all? that's nice |
| [01:03:00] | xpis: | jerky_2: exactly. |
| [01:03:00] | D-side: | but, theres no transcoding done in the new method, no? or did i catch that wrong |
| [01:03:00] | kslater: | xris: so you could setup recordings, etc, right? |
| [01:03:00] | achew22: | I would rank the mpeg2 splicing about a 9 on a scale from 1 to 10 for sexyness |
| [01:03:00] | D-side: | afk, dinner. |
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| [01:05:00] | achew22: | can someone tell me my pizza is done in about 7–9 min |
| [01:05:00] | Blammo[work]: | achew22 : agreed |
| [01:05:00] | briand: | xpis: well, I don't think I'm going to completely trash my current (working) mythtv setup just to see if this will fix the fact I can't get qt-devel via yum in order to compile the new mythtv |
| [01:05:00] | achew22: | thankyou — last time i went upstairs with a pizza in, there were flames when I came back down |
| [01:05:00] | briand: | achew22: run `at` |
| [01:06:00] | sPiN: | hey guys is it normal for my console where i started mythfrontend to have this constant scrolling of the time and date then rebuffering (230482304 2304234)? |
| [01:06:00] | sPiN: | im watching tv, and it looks just fine, ive recorded stuff and it looks great, but just dont remember seeing this rebuffering msg that keeps constantly scrolling before |
| [01:06:00] | achew22: | briand: "Bash: at: command not found" |
| [01:07:00] | briand: | tch tch |
| [01:07:00] | achew22: | its okay — I apt-geted it |
| [01:07:00] | briand: | by the time you get it installed, read the man page, etc... your pizza will be ready. :) |
| [01:07:00] | briand: | ..but, you'll have it for next time. |
| [01:08:00] | jerky_2: | has anyone here experienced problems using nvidia's 7676 driver, as recommended by the myth 0.19 wiki? for some reason for me, 7676 doesn't work, but 8178 does. i have a geforce4 ti 4400 |
| [01:08:00] | Blammo[work]: | Jerky2: don't forget to do nvidia-graphics-switch 7676 |
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| [01:08:00] | jerky_2: | nvidia's docs say that the 4400 supports 1 of the 2 parts of XvMC, which i'd like to try... but it doesn't work in 8178, and i can't revert or X boots to a black screen. |
| [01:08:00] | achew22: | wow — your right |
| [01:08:00] | sPiN: | jerky_2, ive been using the 8178 drivers from the get go for my mythtv, its worked fine |
| [01:09:00] | sPiN: | i ran the svn until a couple days ago when .19 final came out, and its been fine as well |
| [01:09:00] | jerky_2: | they do work, they even work for openGL apps like quake4, and they give reasonable performance... the part that kills me is the OpenGL vsync and XvMC options don't bring my HDTV 1080i perfomrance up to a watchable level |
| [01:09:00] | jerky_2: | i have a P4 2.2 GHz, which plays 720p HD ok, but can't quite keep up with 1080i HD, it comes up just short |
| [01:10:00] | sPiN: | ohh i dont do hdtv |
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| [01:10:00] | jerky_2: | i keep reading that XvMC is a great help if you do HDTV, so i think that's what i need to get working.. but the 7676 driver isn't working for me. bah |
| [01:11:00] | kslater: | what's the current state of the art for hdtv and myth? What's the least DRMish choice? |
| [01:11:00] | jerky_2: | i'm not sure, but the choices i read the most about were the pcHDTV 3000 and the air2PC card |
| [01:11:00] | achew22: | i wish this would comiple faster... my pizza might be done |
| [01:12:00] | briand: | xpis: i think apt-get is what screwed it up in the first place. Line 10 in: http://pastebin.ca/41522 |
| [01:12:00] | achew22: | i'm using tea timer for this — this is the only time I have ever used tea timer for something usefull |
| [01:12:00] | jerky_2: | if you are using mIRC and possibly other clients, you could do /timer :) |
| [01:13:00] | achew22: | its done now |
| [01:13:00] | briand: | achew22: so's your pizza. |
| [01:15:00] | phoner2: | mm, pizza |
| [01:16:00] | phoner2: | my the way, when is mythpizza comming out again? |
| [01:16:00] | briand: | it's already out. |
| [01:17:00] | Mudhoney: | myth pizza? |
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| [01:17:00] | briand: | yes, ported from the 80's movie "Mystic Pizza" |
| [01:17:00] | Mudhoney: | :/ |
| [01:18:00] | achew22: | yummy.... |
| [01:18:00] | briand: | xpis: did you look at my pastebin? |
| [01:22:00] | Blammo[work]: | nite all — otff to play with 0.19 :) |
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| [01:26:00] | achew22: | UGH! I forgot to qmake mythtv.pro |
| [01:27:00] | briand: | yeah, well.. i can't even get started, since I cannot seem to actually put the qt headers/binaries on this system |
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| [01:28:00] | achew22: | what is it running? |
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| [01:32:00] | xris: | achew22: huh? |
| [01:32:00] | achew22: | whats your distro |
| [01:32:00] | achew22: | sorry — that was unclear |
| [01:33:00] | Ryushin: | briand: How about imaging your system so you can restore it, and trying debian. Though, that might be to radical. |
| [01:33:00] | xris: | achew22: .19 doesn't need qmake |
| [01:33:00] | xris: | or manual calling of qmake |
| [01:33:00] | achew22: | really.... |
| [01:33:00] | achew22: | why did it fail then... |
| [01:33:00] | xris: | just configure, make, install |
| [01:34:00] | xris: | achew22: what distro? there should be packages out for everything by now |
| [01:34:00] | Octane: | anyone here have a change channel script that issues a SEND_ONCE to irsend per digit, instead of the entire channel? |
| [01:34:00] | achew22: | I was going to say just apt-cache search QT |
| [01:34:00] | achew22: | then apt-get install whatever qt3.2.xxx-dev |
| [01:34:00] | xris: | Octane: does it matter? |
| [01:35:00] | Octane: | xris yes, apparently it matters for my settop box |
| [01:35:00] | xris: | for digit in $(echo $1 | sed -e 's/./& /g'); do $XMIT SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME $digit; done |
| [01:35:00] | Octane: | hi btw :) |
| [01:35:00] | xris: | hang on, will put the whole thing in pastebin |
| [01:36:00] | achew22: | xris: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv"? |
| [01:36:00] | achew22: | thats the error I get when compiling |
| [01:36:00] | xris: | http://pastebin.ca/41524http://pastebin.ca/41524 |
| [01:36:00] | xris: | Octane: that's for my custom install of lirc.. just change the path and the remote name |
| [01:36:00] | xris: | but it sends, sleeps, sends, etc. |
| [01:37:00] | Octane: | thanks so much xris |
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| [01:37:00] | D-side: | as i suspected. worked great here. pfeh i say. |
| [01:38:00] | briand: | achew22: yes, i did that several hours ago. my choices (among many) seem to be 'qt – The shared library for the Qt GUI toolkit' and 'qt-devel – Development files and documentation for the Qt GUI toolkit' I was told i needed, then, "qt-devel" |
| [01:40:00] | achew22: | does this use QT4 or 3.X |
| [01:40:00] | briand: | ...which, as it turns out, really wants to add 50+ Mb of stuff, including some library that mplayer wants but cannot find. |
| [01:40:00] | xris: | achew22: either should work. I'm using 3.3.4 |
| [01:40:00] | achew22: | cool i'm getting 4 because I should do that anyways |
| [01:41:00] | achew22: | briand 50mb isn't much when your server is kicking it to you at 600kB/s |
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| [01:41:00] | briand: | xris: would you be so kind as to tell me how to get whatever version of QT is on my FC3 disk installed? I'm about through playing with apt-get and/or yum for one evening. |
| [01:41:00] | achew22: | damn my mouth — it drops to 300 after I say that and still falling |
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| [01:41:00] | achew22: | okay |
| [01:42:00] | xris: | briand: rpm -q qt |
| [01:42:00] | achew22: | briand: apt-get install qt4-dev-tools |
| [01:42:00] | briand: | qt-3.3.4–0.fc3.0 |
| [01:42:00] | achew22: | wait — fedora |
| [01:42:00] | achew22: | nm |
| [01:43:00] | achew22: | xris: no such luck — getting the dev files for 4.0 doesn't help |
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| [01:44:00] | jerky_3: | i tried adding atrpms-testing to my yum repos and enabling it, but i still can't get it to upgrade myth to 0.19... any suggestions? |
| [01:45:00] | xris: | jerky_3: what distro? I think he only has it for fc4 now |
| [01:45:00] | jerky_3: | i'm running FC 4 |
| [01:45:00] | xris: | should be there. |
| [01:45:00] | jerky_3: | iv'e tried upgrading mythtv-suite and just plain mythtv, but i can't get it to find anything... i'll keep looking |
| [01:46:00] | jerky_3: | i just made a .repo file in /etc/yum.repos.d/ and listed it as enabled, told yum to enable it... then if i try yum upgrade it doesn't find anythign |
| [01:46:00] | xris: | http://dl.atrpms.net/fc4-i386/atrpms/RPMS.testing/ |
| [01:46:00] | jerky_3: | so i guess it must be a problem with my yum config |
| [01:46:00] | briand: | xris: i ran `rpm -q qt` on my mythtv box, and it returned 'qt-3.3.4–0.fc3.0' what do i do next? |
| [01:46:00] | xris: | briand: what are you trying to do. you asked for the version, that gives you the version: 3.3.4 |
| [01:47:00] | briand: | xris: i (apparently) have it on my distro disk. I wish to put on the machine the QT stuff that's needed so that I may compile the 0.19 version of myth* that i've already downloaded. |
| [01:48:00] | mattwj2005: | so has anyone ever gotten QAM 64 and QAM 256 working with a pcHDTV HD-3000? I am assuming that is digital cable |
| [01:48:00] | WAR_CH|LD: | DVB#0 Timeout Getting PMT <---- anyone seen that before and know what it is? |
| [01:48:00] | Kelerion: | ut-oh.. latest svn version won't compile: "mainserver.cpp: In member function âvoid MainServer::FillStatusXML(QDomDocument*)â:" |
| [01:49:00] | xris: | briand: you have atrpms set up in apt, right? |
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| [01:49:00] | ole_schoola: | qam 64 is in very isolated areas of the US, QAM 256 can be captured by HD3000 and Airstar HD5000 |
| [01:49:00] | ole_schoola: | fuggedabout 64 |
| [01:50:00] | briand: | xris: i think i did, at 4:30 EST this afternoon.... now, i couldn't tell you off the top of my head. |
| [01:50:00] | mattwj2005: | that is digital cable right ole? |
| [01:50:00] | xris: | briand: install apt and set up atrpms in apt... then, run ` apt-get build-dep mythtv` |
| [01:50:00] | xris: | that will install everything you need to build mythtv |
| [01:50:00] | ole_schoola: | dig cable, USA, standard is QAM 256, yep |
| [01:50:00] | mattwj2005: | sweet |
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| [01:51:00] | mattwj2005: | I wonder how many digital channels are encrypted though.... |
| [01:51:00] | briand: | xris: Yes.. I did that earlier, too. "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" |
| [01:51:00] | mattwj2005: | I would how that works with cable |
| [01:51:00] | Kelerion: | is this just me? http://pastebin.com/553718 |
| [01:51:00] | ole_schoola: | well take a good long look at AVSforums — they keep track of what channels are unencrypted in any given c(big) city of the US |
| [01:51:00] | xpis: | briand: I'm back – did you figure out any more in regards to your screwed up rpms? |
| [01:51:00] | xris: | that shouldn't matter |
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| [01:52:00] | nasa: | hi, trying to compile from source... I am getting an error about glu.h not being found. I am using ATI drivers. Were do I find that file? |
| [01:52:00] | xris: | build-dep is for devel libraries, not source packages |
| [01:52:00] | ole_schoola: | there is a forum with HDTV in the title, you can then figure out which channels you'll be able to capture |
| [01:52:00] | nasa: | It's not on my box.... |
| [01:52:00] | briand: | xpis: yes, i posted a pastebin |
| [01:52:00] | xpis: | And did you get it solved? |
| [01:53:00] | briand: | xris: [shrug] I'm only reporting what I see when I type `apt-get build-dep mythtv` and that's what I get, right after it says "Building Dependency Tree... Done" |
| [01:53:00] | briand: | xpis: no. |
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| [01:54:00] | briand: | xpis: http://pastebin.ca/41522 |
| [01:54:00] | simcop2387: | has anyone been able to get mythweb 0.19 working? |
| [01:54:00] | briand: | anyone? yes. |
| [01:54:00] | xris: | briand: in that case, uncomment some src uri's in your sources.list file |
| [01:54:00] | xris: | simcop2387: I have... but I wrote it, so that's cheating |
| [01:54:00] | xpis: | briand: ok, I just finished grepping my irc log. |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | simcop2387: read the readme and new .htaccess file carefully |
| [01:55:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: you make laugh |
| [01:55:00] | ole_schoola: | long time |
| [01:55:00] | ole_schoola: | so funny |
| [01:55:00] | xris: | ole_schoola: have to keep my fans happy. :) |
| [01:55:00] | ole_schoola: | still touching up my wishlist |
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| [01:55:00] | ole_schoola: | it's actually really, really small |
| [01:56:00] | briand: | xris: such as this line? "#rpm-src http://apt.atrpms.net fedora/3/en/i386 at-stable" |
| [01:56:00] | xris: | briand: yup |
| [01:56:00] | ole_schoola: | my nephew might have been able to do it but he no longer has access to puters |
| [01:56:00] | xris: | you'll probably want to do it for core, updates and extras, too |
| [01:57:00] | xpis: | briand: that would be due to messed up dependencies for your existing atrpms qt related packages. |
| [01:57:00] | xpis: | briand: you could download the proper packages, and install them, ignoring dependencies. |
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| [01:57:00] | xris: | briand: if you have messed-up dependencies, `apt-get -f install` *should* fix most of them.. as long as you have enough repositories enabled. |
| [01:58:00] | ole_schoola: | base, updates, atrpms and maybe freshrpms should do it |
| [01:58:00] | ** nasa really wants to get mythtv up and running.... But doesn't know which package contains glu.h ** | |
| [01:58:00] | ole_schoola: | extras if you had that before |
| [01:58:00] | briand: | xris: okay, i'll try that. incidentally, enabling all of the rpm-src lines yields "E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv" |
| [01:59:00] | xris: | briand: odd. it *should* be in atrpms somewhere. |
| [01:59:00] | xris: | though you do need to `apt-get update` first |
| [01:59:00] | ole_schoola: | pastebin your sources.list? |
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| [01:59:00] | briand: | xris: [sigh] okay. |
| [02:00:00] | ** xris just realized that apt needs to be able to see the src.rpm in order to figure out what it needs to build it. ** | |
| [02:00:00] | briand: | xris: do i need to apt-get update before or after 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| [02:00:00] | xpis: | briand: you are experiencing the joys of RPM-hell. Second only to dll hell. |
| [02:00:00] | ole_schoola: | before |
| [02:00:00] | briand: | xpis: heheh |
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| [02:00:00] | ole_schoola: | yahaa |
| [02:00:00] | ole_schoola: | must update after any change to sources |
| [02:01:00] | achew22: | xpis or xris can you help me with my compiling woes |
| [02:01:00] | xpis: | briand: and using atrpms bumps yourself down a couple levels in RPM-hell. |
| [02:01:00] | ole_schoola: | can i dcc you a beer? |
| [02:01:00] | briand: | xpis: which returns me to my initial question. if the qt stuff i need is on my fc3 disks, isn't there a way (without wiping the disk and/or reinstalling fc3) to get it off the fc3 distro disks ?? |
| [02:01:00] | briand: | xpis: and just avoid all the apt-get and yum nonsense altogether? |
| [02:02:00] | xpis: | briand: no, you have updated packages |
| [02:02:00] | briand: | so? |
| [02:02:00] | xris: | briand: if you have base + updates + extras installed in apt, you can download them |
| [02:03:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: forget about the iso's if you can see the net |
| [02:03:00] | briand: | i don't want anything more than the bare minimum QT whatever-it-is crap that I need so that the compile will run for myth |
| [02:03:00] | ole_schoola: | fixup your apt and grab them |
| [02:03:00] | briand: | okay. |
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| [02:03:00] | briand: | how can i tell what is wrong with my apt, so i can go to #apt and ask them how to fix it? |
| [02:04:00] | xris: | briand: I haven't seen anything wrong with your apt yet |
| [02:04:00] | ole_schoola: | pastebin your sources ! |
| [02:04:00] | Kelerion: | and JuNiOx: thats what myth is for |
| [02:04:00] | briand: | not that it matters, because now (5 hours later) mythtv 0.18.1 is currently recording, so I can't do anything on the box that requires rebooting or otherwise disturbing the recording process. |
| [02:04:00] | jerky_3: | ok, i was able to fix my yum problems and get it to recognize atrpms-testing. i originally installed "yum install mythtv-suite" but that doesn't seem to be working for me to upgrade, is it sufficient to just do "yum upgrade mythtv" instead? what's the difference between mythtv and mythtv-suite? |
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| [02:04:00] | briand: | xris: oh. i wonder why it's not working, then. |
| [02:05:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: i learned how to bite the bullet and kill the recording ;) |
| [02:05:00] | JuNiOx: | how can i share the TV on lan ? i can't... =/ .... i have already installed mythtv.. but now.. how can i see it working? |
| [02:05:00] | xris: | jerky_3: -suite is a meta-package that include mythtv, mythplugins, etc. |
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| [02:05:00] | briand: | xris: do i just need to do the 'apt-get update' now to 'fix' it? |
| [02:05:00] | xris: | briand: explain what's not working.... |
| [02:05:00] | xris: | apt-get update downloads the meta data from they repositories. |
| [02:05:00] | briand: | xris: i cannot download qt-devel |
| [02:06:00] | xris: | you have to do that whenever you change anything in your sources list |
| [02:06:00] | mofu: | JuNiOx: any Mythfrontend on your lan can access the backend |
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| [02:06:00] | briand: | ah. |
| [02:06:00] | briand: | see.. i didn't know that. :) lemme run that. |
| [02:06:00] | ole_schoola: | must update after any change to sources |
| [02:06:00] | xris: | :) |
| [02:06:00] | jerky_3: | sweet. v 0.19 here i come! |
| [02:06:00] | briand: | ole_schoola: i can do stuff on the machine... just cannot stop/restart it. there's plenty of processor/ram for these things to go simultaneously |
| [02:07:00] | briand: | 2.4G processor, 512MB ram, and a PVR-350 doing the recording... |
| [02:07:00] | ole_schoola: | sure ya can. just sacrifice what's currently recording! we know ya can! |
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| [02:07:00] | JuNiOx: | mofu, right.. i try use mplayer... open url... so i typed my ip:6543 ... am i wrong? |
| [02:07:00] | briand: | ole_schoola: i'm saying i don't need to. :) |
| [02:07:00] | mofu: | JuNiOx: yep, yer wrong |
| [02:07:00] | jerky_3: | what's the difference between versions 0.19–117 and 0.19–119? can we assume that 0.19-* plugins work with each other? |
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| [02:08:00] | JuNiOx: | mofu, sorry, but.. what i need to do? |
| [02:08:00] | ole_schoola: | ya know, yer right :) |
| [02:08:00] | ole_schoola: | lol |
| [02:08:00] | xpis: | achew22: what is your compile error? |
| [02:08:00] | xris: | jerky_3: the number after the – is a package release number |
| [02:08:00] | achew22: | leme get that window up... one sec |
| [02:08:00] | mofu: | JuNiOx: you need to read the docs . . . run mythtv-setup, start the backend, start the frontend . . . . off you go to read . . . . |
| [02:08:00] | briand: | xris: okay. ran the apt-get update.. running the 'apt-get install qt-devel' now. |
| [02:09:00] | achew22: | xpis: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv" |
| [02:09:00] | jerky_3: | briand, have you been able to get HDTV to play at full speed on that machine? |
| [02:09:00] | briand: | xris: and, this time, it doesn't look like it wants to do anything with/to mplayer |
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| [02:09:00] | briand: | jerky_3: i don't have an HDTV card. I have a PVR-350 and a PVR-500MCE |
| [02:10:00] | fatdave: | wow! Beirdo made a FAQ page |
| [02:10:00] | xpis: | achew22: when do you get that? |
| [02:10:00] | briand: | xris: argh. okay. now it's bitching about some conflicts |
| [02:10:00] | ** ole_schoola sees fatdave come out from hibernation ** | |
| [02:10:00] | achew22: | xpis: at the end right before it says "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" |
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| [02:11:00] | mattwj2005: | anyone else have any experience with digital cable and a pcHDTV-3000? |
| [02:11:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: yeah, I have it running in 0.19 w HD |
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| [02:12:00] | mattwj2005: | do you get all the digital channels like you do with a cable receiver? |
| [02:12:00] | fatdave: | can anyone give me an example of an xorg.conf file for a pvr-350 running on ubuntu? the ivtv drivers are working. just need tvout going |
| [02:12:00] | xpis: | achew22: do you have the latest version of qt-devel installed? |
| [02:12:00] | briand: | xris: http://pastebin.ca/41528 |
| [02:12:00] | xpis: | achew22: could you put the last 20 or so lines into pastebin? |
| [02:13:00] | fatdave: | ole_schoola, just decided to use ubuntu instead of fedora. I guess that is kind of hibernation..... |
| [02:13:00] | achew22: | xpis: one sec |
| [02:13:00] | mattwj2005: | the reason I am asking is because I know cable is more and more digital everyday |
| [02:13:00] | achew22: | pastebin.ca? |
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| [02:13:00] | ole_schoola: | fatdave: how'd ubuntu work for you after fedora? |
| [02:13:00] | xpis: | achew22: that will work. I use pastebin.com. |
| [02:13:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: what I found is that anything that would come across in the clear on a Cable-Ready TV could be tuned on the DVB card with QAM256 in the clear as well. Most Digital Cable stations were encrypted with a couple eceptions |
| [02:14:00] | mofu: | make sense? |
| [02:14:00] | xpis: | achew22: just put it somewhere and link to it. |
| [02:14:00] | achew22: | xpis: http://pastebin.ca/41529 |
| [02:14:00] | fatdave: | well, i'm in the middle of setting up ubuntu right now. just trying to get tvout working. i like ubuntu a TON better than fedora already though |
| [02:14:00] | xris: | briand: apt-get -f install |
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| [02:14:00] | briand: | done. |
| [02:14:00] | ole_schoola: | i was briefly considering it but i managed to tame FC on my machines for now |
| [02:14:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: the channel setup is a pain, I am currently only using it for HD channels |
| [02:15:00] | fatdave: | dang. found an xorg.conf example but its for PAL |
| [02:15:00] | xris: | briand: that didn't fix it? |
| [02:15:00] | achew22: | xpis: would you like me to ./configure |make again? |
| [02:15:00] | xpis: | achew22: you need to have xorg development libs |
| [02:15:00] | briand: | should i try running the apt-get install qt-devel again? |
| [02:16:00] | xpis: | achew22: that's what is causing your error |
| [02:16:00] | xris: | if that didn't, then you have repositories conflicting with each other.. which atrpms does sometimes... you'll have to pick and choose what to install |
| [02:17:00] | xpis: | atrpms and freshrpms conflict badly. |
| [02:17:00] | mattwj2005: | do you think that'll get better in the future? |
| [02:17:00] | briand: | um.. |
| [02:17:00] | ole_schoola: | i only enable freshrpms when i have to pickup a specific package, then i disable it, no worries then |
| [02:18:00] | mattwj2005: | mofu is the ota HDTV or through the cable? |
| [02:18:00] | xris: | xpis: atrpms and a LOT of stuff conflict. in the case of briand it's conflicting with the freetype packages in fedora core |
| [02:18:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: the big problem from what I've seen so far is the the Cable companies, at least Comcast do not include the Identification bits in the streams, without that it will never be automated |
| [02:18:00] | xris: | briand: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [02:18:00] | briand: | looking at the pastebin I put up.. it seems that atrpms is where it got ALL of the stuff it wanted. and it conflicts with itself, apparently. |
| [02:18:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: QAM256 over Cable |
| [02:18:00] | jerky_3: | what does "Running HouseKeeping" mean in mythbackend? |
| [02:19:00] | achew22: | xpis: what is that called on the apt-get list? |
| [02:19:00] | xpis: | achew22: distribution? |
| [02:19:00] | Yellow-Snow: | WOW! i added some foam to my computer b/c it came w/ my new HD and its sooooo much quieter! |
| [02:19:00] | achew22: | ubuntu |
| [02:19:00] | briand: | xris: um.. that will replace everything on the machine, will it not? |
| [02:19:00] | mattwj2005: | so what do you have to do for setup? with an analog tuner I know all it has to do is scan |
| [02:19:00] | xris: | briand: no, the error message shows libfreetype.atrpms conflicting with freetype (core).... |
| [02:19:00] | xris: | dist-upgrade will upgrade and fix dependencies that it might not otherwise fix. |
| [02:20:00] | xpis: | achew22: try x-dev |
| [02:20:00] | achew22: | thanks |
| [02:20:00] | xris: | it can break certain things, but it's how axel expects people to use his repository. |
| [02:20:00] | xris: | briand: the other option is to use yum or smart... |
| [02:20:00] | ole_schoola: | mattjw2005: search on 'sweet D3000' in users list |
| [02:20:00] | xris: | anyway, I need to head home. will be online later. |
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| [02:20:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: you might want to burn it down and use smart after your first, i can help |
| [02:21:00] | briand: | well, i'd rather not replace my pristine copy of (for instance) ivtv 0.4.2 with "ivtvdev 0.2.0" (which won't support my pvr-500mce) |
| [02:21:00] | achew22: | xpis: I used the apt-get install mythtv way to install mythtv before, should I apt-get remove mythtv? |
| [02:21:00] | ole_schoola: | after your first boot |
| [02:21:00] | xpis: | briand: this is why I suggested that you remove mythtv-suite. |
| [02:21:00] | ole_schoola: | achew: NO! |
| [02:22:00] | achew22: | okay... |
| [02:22:00] | ole_schoola: | achew: the exact destructions are in the CVS build hoto on the wiki! |
| [02:22:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: I use dvbtools and mplayer to find the unencrypted HD streams, and load the channels.conf to myth, works ok for just a few channels, would be a royal pain for a 100, |
| [02:23:00] | mofu: | The HUGE problem is that the cable company can move the channels around anytime, easy broadcast update to their boxes, myth is clueless when this happens |
| [02:23:00] | achew22: | xpis: still erroring, i put it on pastebin: http://patebin.ca/41531 |
| [02:23:00] | briand: | okay.. so, what I've learned today: You can't do that. Erase your disk and start over. |
| [02:23:00] | mattwj2005: | that sucks |
| [02:23:00] | briand: | I guess that means I'll just wait for the binary rpms to become available. |
| [02:24:00] | xpis: | achew22: xf86? Do you have both xorg and xfree installed? |
| [02:25:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: happened to me last week all of a sudden CBS moved and another channel was gone |
| [02:25:00] | xpis: | achew22: did you re-run the configure script? |
| [02:25:00] | achew22: | xpis:no... sorry |
| [02:25:00] | mattwj2005: | did you find it again? |
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| [02:25:00] | mofu: | haven't had a chance yet |
| [02:26:00] | ole_schoola: | big PITA |
| [02:26:00] | mofu: | was Discovery-HD |
| [02:26:00] | mattwj2005: | how long does it take to find a channel? |
| [02:26:00] | ole_schoola: | ouch, good one |
| [02:26:00] | achew22: | xpis same pastebin new error |
| [02:26:00] | ole_schoola: | matt: you'll find out ;) |
| [02:26:00] | briand: | xpis: okay, then. what do I need to do to make it work with yum? |
| [02:26:00] | mattwj2005: | lol *scared* |
| [02:26:00] | mattwj2005: | :P |
| [02:26:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: going through a list of 100 or more channels from an atscscan w/ mplayer takes a long time |
| [02:26:00] | D-side: | i suppose then that i AM in fact ready to complete b0rk my mythtv box again. |
| [02:27:00] | xpis: | briand: degauss the hard disk. |
| [02:27:00] | ole_schoola: | mofu: throw out the small ones ;) |
| [02:27:00] | xpis: | briand: Your packages are quite messed up. |
| [02:27:00] | mofu: | ole_schoola: yep, now I look for big streams and just check those, HD only |
| [02:27:00] | xpis: | briand: you have unsatisfied dependencies all over. |
| [02:27:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: sounds like what xpis said |
| [02:27:00] | ole_schoola: | it can happen |
| [02:28:00] | simcop2387: | mofu: i've got a couple 1hour recordings now, didn't see them as being wrong |
| [02:28:00] | ole_schoola: | forget yum, just use Smart |
| [02:28:00] | achew22: | xpis: http://pastebin.ca/41533 |
| [02:28:00] | briand: | forgetting yum. forgetting apt-get. what is smart? |
| [02:28:00] | achew22: | lets hope its smart |
| [02:28:00] | xpis: | briand: any package manager will bark at you for trying to do anything with packages with unsatisfied dependencies for things that aren't even available. |
| [02:29:00] | mofu: | simcop2387: yeah, mine are OK now, when you get a chance check the same thing on a one hour program you start watching before it finishes recording. |
| [02:29:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: it's another package manager |
| [02:29:00] | simcop2387: | mofu: i did, don't recall seeing anything like that |
| [02:29:00] | ole_schoola: | manages depsolving much better than yum but slower than apt |
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| [02:29:00] | briand: | xpis: i can understand that. what i can't understand is why fixing a package manager's fuckup requires removing the core (and WORKING!!!) application on the machine. |
| [02:30:00] | ole_schoola: | because package managers have gawd-like powers ;) |
| [02:30:00] | mofu: | simcop2387: when the recording stops while you are watching it the time error occurs I think I'm gong to double check, watching 24 now |
| [02:31:00] | xpis: | briand: it's not the package manager. It's the packages. They are there to serve you. Don't fear the packages. |
| [02:32:00] | ole_schoola: | xpis: the package managers can foul up your system quicker than snot if you're not careful or there's a bug in the PM |
| [02:33:00] | ole_schoola: | xpis: but you are right about the packages, they are what they are |
| [02:33:00] | ** D-side ponders the max velocity of mucus. ** | |
| [02:33:00] | briand: | xpis: i'm not fearing the packages. i installed mythtv-suite a year ago. since then, I've upgraded everything except mythtv (ivtv, etc, etc).. removing mythtv-suite would undo ALL of that, and I'd be left with building a mythtv box from scratch again. |
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| [02:33:00] | xpis: | ole_schoola/briand: the packages installed are messed up. This was caused by apt and atrpms. Thus, you have packages from multiple sources installed that are causing unfilled dependencies. |
| [02:33:00] | mofu: | most package manager problems seem to be in rpm based systems . . . . Rarely have had a problem with Debian/Ubuntu |
| [02:34:00] | xpis: | Thus, any package manager you throw in will be working with the *same* rpms. |
| [02:34:00] | xpis: | The same RPMs that are messed up. |
| [02:34:00] | ole_schoola: | xpis/briand: totally agree, saving that system is prolly beyond your abuilities right now |
| [02:34:00] | ole_schoola: | i recommend a smart install after a burn-down |
| [02:34:00] | xpis: | I could save it, but it wouldn't be worth the effort. |
| [02:34:00] | xpis: | It would be much easier to just reinstall from scratch |
| [02:35:00] | xpis: | (reinstalling atrpms and freshrpms rpms from scratch, that is) |
| [02:35:00] | ole_schoola: | well i' know i'm no elite enough to do it, but i do know it would take some serious sorting out |
| [02:35:00] | xpis: | (not install fedora from scratch) |
| [02:35:00] | xpis: | To save it would involve fixing packages one at a time. |
| [02:36:00] | xpis: | A fix would be to mass delete everything from atrpms. |
| [02:36:00] | ole_schoola: | xpis: not ribbing you, giving you credit |
| [02:36:00] | ole_schoola: | blowing out the cache i imagine |
| [02:36:00] | xpis: | I, for one, wouldn't find it fun sitting down and fixing duplicate freetype packages for the wrong architecture that depend on mplayer. |
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| [02:38:00] | briand: | ole_schoola: you've assessed my abilities and aptitude based on the last 20 minutes of conversation in a chat room, when I'm already frustrated because a simple task is taking (so far) more than 5 hours, and I should have been done with everything now, not still stuck on step -0.0.0.0.1 |
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| [02:38:00] | briand: | xpis: can i list out what atrpms has installed? |
| [02:38:00] | xpis: | apt should remember which came from where. |
| [02:39:00] | xpis: | A good start would be to remove mythtv-suite. |
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| [02:39:00] | xpis: | That may blow the duplicate freetype packages away |
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| [02:39:00] | mattwj2005: | so is the Air2PC better for cable hdtv/digital channels? |
| [02:40:00] | briand: | why not, then simply blow the duplicate freetype packages away? |
| [02:40:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: problems with apt/dependencies can get very, very deep. they can be solved. if you are having this much trouble with your sources conflicting (which is what we think happened at some point), you're going to have one helluva time returning to a workable state. not trying to discourage you or put you down, just looking at path of least resistance, that's all |
| [02:40:00] | xpis: | briand: it's not limited to duplicate freetype packages. |
| [02:40:00] | briand: | xpis: actually, it is. |
| [02:40:00] | mofu: | mattwj2005: some people think the air2pc has an edge, but you have to use 2.6.15 kernel or a patched 2.6.13 kernel |
| [02:40:00] | DreadPirateBob: | mattwj2005: the HD-5000 has a 5th gen demodulator. Supposed to get better signal. |
| [02:40:00] | xpis: | briand: if you want to sort out the tangled mess of RPMs.. that can be done. |
| [02:41:00] | ole_schoola: | matt: dunno, haven't used the 3000, just the 2nd and 3rd gen airstar cards |
| [02:41:00] | ** DreadPirateBob has one, but not a good enough vid card to play the resulting mpeg stream. ** | |
| [02:41:00] | xpis: | briand: RPMs are interdependent. |
| [02:42:00] | briand: | xpis: understood. |
| [02:43:00] | D-side: | i wonder how bad qtembedded+directfb can really be... |
| [02:43:00] | briand: | xpis: but, looking at the pastebin, freetype is one of the packages that _this_ install (of qt-devel) wants to put on my machine. there is no pre-existing version. |
| [02:44:00] | xpis: | no freetype? |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | xpis: # |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | # |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | fontconfig-devel freetype-devel libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libjpeg-devel |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | # |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | libmng-devel libpng-devel libttf2 qt-devel xorg-x11-devel |
| [02:45:00] | briand: | this tells me, if it is installing them NEW, that it's not UPDATING them. |
| [02:46:00] | briand: | am I making a wrong assumption? |
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| [02:46:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey guys.. how do i make the tv guide update? any command? |
| [02:46:00] | briand: | Yellow-Snow: mythfilldatabase |
| [02:46:00] | xpis: | briand: that is the freetype development libraries.. |
| [02:47:00] | xpis: | briand: you already have freetype installed. Probably multiple copies. |
| [02:47:00] | xpis: | briand: rpm -q freetype |
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| [02:47:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: rpm -q | grep freetype |
| [02:48:00] | briand: | freetype-2.1.9–1 |
| [02:48:00] | ole_schoola: | xpis wins |
| [02:48:00] | dev-: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=800 |
| [02:48:00] | dev-: | very nice, good to hear, back to 13days |
| [02:49:00] | briand: | xpis: okay, so can I not just "rpm -e freetype-2.1.9–1" ? |
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| [02:49:00] | hanjo: | hi all |
| [02:50:00] | xpis: | briand: you are stepping deeper into the bowels of rpm hell. |
| [02:50:00] | mofu: | the word to drop the daily cron job and let mythfilldatabase schedule itself needs to be spread thru the Myth community |
| [02:50:00] | hanjo: | anyone here that has played with mythtv on a dbox2? |
| [02:50:00] | xris: | briand: still issues? this is sort of why I encourage people to avoid atrpms for anything they don't absolutely need for myth |
| [02:50:00] | xpis: | xris: he is wondering why he can't just rpm -e freetype{blah} |
| [02:50:00] | briand: | xris: same issue. conflicts with the freetype stuff. |
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| [02:51:00] | xpis: | He really needs to remove all atrpms packages, in my opinion. |
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| [02:51:00] | xris: | briand: rpm -qa '*freetype*' |
| [02:52:00] | xris: | then rpm -e --nodeps on those libraries (all on the same line) |
| [02:52:00] | xris: | then apt-get -f install, |
| [02:52:00] | ole_schoola: | briand: freshly built i386 system, using ATRPMS with smart, one hour ago -> freetype-2.1.9–2 |
| [02:52:00] | hanjo: | I am using the latest svn, but can not get liveTV to work. It fails with: AFD Error: avformat err(-1) on av_open_input_file call, but mplayer can display the temp file just fine when invoked from the command line |
| [02:53:00] | hanjo: | any hints? |
| [02:53:00] | xpis: | hanjo: why don't you just use the release? (or the svn version corresponding to it) |
| [02:54:00] | briand: | xris: okay. just the one library (freetype-2.1.9–1), ran the -e, now running `apt-get -f install` |
| [02:54:00] | hanjo: | still the same problem |
| [02:54:00] | hanjo: | i.e. in trying to solve the problem did I migrate to svn |
| [02:54:00] | hanjo: | head |
| [02:54:00] | xris: | briand: personally, at this point, I'd say to remove all atrpms packages, and temporarily disable all atrpms repositories. |
| [02:55:00] | xris: | I put atrpms into apt, but not yum. do most of my updates via yum, and only apt-get specific packages that I need from atrpms. |
| [02:55:00] | briand: | xris: okay, fine. let me go stop myth from recording CSI:Miami,and I'll do that. |
| [02:56:00] | briand: | (another conflict, btw, this time with "libgd2–2.0.33–2_11.rhfc3.at" |
| [02:56:00] | xpis: | briand: you can always do it after you're done recording |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | briand: yup. I've been where you are before.. PITA |
| [02:56:00] | xris: | yeah, no need to remove mythtv. we know that can only come from atrpms |
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| [02:57:00] | briand: | xris: okay. recording schedule is free. |
| [02:57:00] | briand: | xris: will this also screw up the 0.4.0 ivtv stuff I compiled put in a few months ago? ..or just the myth 0.18.1 install? |
| [02:58:00] | xris: | briand: don't remove mythtv yet |
| [02:58:00] | briand: | xris: i'm not doing anything yet. awaiting your instruction. |
| [03:00:00] | xris: | trying to remember what it takes to get a list of everything from one repository |
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| [03:02:00] | xris: | briand: rpm -qa --queryformat="%{name}-%{version}\t\t\t\t%{vendor}\n" | grep -i atrpms |
| [03:02:00] | jerky_3: | wow, myth 0.19 seems to handle 1080i HDTV better for me |
| [03:02:00] | defaultro: | hi xris |
| [03:02:00] | xris: | should pipe that to sort, too, for good measure |
| [03:02:00] | xris: | heya, defaultro |
| [03:02:00] | jerky_3: | and a channel that used to be unwatchable (had a bad stutter / echo all the time) now works |
| [03:02:00] | mofu: | simcop2387: duplicated the error again, when the recording ends the total program length adds an hour |
| [03:03:00] | simcop2387: | mofu: k i've got one going right now i'll start watching it in 40 minutes to check here too |
| [03:03:00] | defaultro: | do you guys know why mythtv suddently decided not to record a program? It tells, mythtv is not recording since there are too many recorded programs of this showing |
| [03:03:00] | defaultro: | i was not able to record 24 today :( |
| [03:03:00] | mofu: | I don't have any easy way to screen grab on that box right now . . . |
| [03:04:00] | simcop2387: | mofu: i might be able to screengrab it |
| [03:04:00] | simcop2387: | how do i disable xv again? |
| [03:04:00] | mofu: | defaultro: you have an episode limit set?? |
| [03:05:00] | simcop2387: | lets see NO_XV="1" on the command line right? |
| [03:06:00] | briand: | xris: http://pastebin.ca/41536 |
| [03:06:00] | mofu: | 'nite all |
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| [03:07:00] | xris: | briand: ouch. I'd almost say that reinstalling is a good option |
| [03:07:00] | simcop2387: | i'll have a test and screenshot of mofu's problem in 53 minutes |
| [03:07:00] | xris: | briand: did you enable atrpms testing repository? or is this still only with table? |
| [03:08:00] | defaultro: | mofu, I don't know. How do I check it? |
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| [03:08:00] | briand: | xris: let me check. i honestly don't remember, at this point. |
| [03:08:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, mofu left. Where do we change episode limit? |
| [03:09:00] | kormoc: | defaultro, in the recording profile for the show |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:09:00] | defaultro: | i really hate what happened today. Do you guys know what happened to 24 today? |
| [03:10:00] | kormoc: | it likely got played like normal |
| [03:10:00] | briand: | xris: if you're asking if that stuff was installed from 'stable' or 'testing' (or both), the answer is 'stable' I only ever had [at-stable] prior to today. how do i check what's there now? |
| [03:10:00] | quitte_: | im considering getting a pvr-150 to solve my livetv problems. if i can watch dvd smoothly – should that do the trick? |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | briand: well, my concern is that maybe the problematic packages are in testing... maybe disable testing and then try an update/upgrade |
| [03:11:00] | xris: | kormoc: xvmc is supposed to make mpeg decoding go quickly, right? |
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| [03:11:00] | Kelerion: | ok – I give.. spent 3 hours trying to get my new bloody webcam to work under linux |
| [03:12:00] | jerky_3: | yeah XvMC is supposed to speed up mpeg2 decoding a lot |
| [03:12:00] | kormoc: | xris, not quicker no, but at the correct speed with less cpu, yes |
| [03:12:00] | xris: | Kelerion: wow, mine worked easily |
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| [03:12:00] | briand: | xris: okay. apt-get uses what file for config? |
| [03:12:00] | xris: | kormoc: well, considering it's skippy with both, I think there are issues. |
| [03:12:00] | jerky_3: | it doesn't seem to work for me though... it makes things much worse than libmpeg2 , which seems to go worse than ffmpeg for me |
| [03:12:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: any luck with jsut MPlayer? |
| [03:12:00] | jerky_3: | i think XvMC is also only supported by certain cards |
| [03:12:00] | xris: | briand: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
| [03:12:00] | kormoc: | xris, ooh? |
| [03:12:00] | quitte: | the pvr-150 is supposed to output a mpeg or mpeg2 stream just like a dvb card,right? |
| [03:12:00] | fatdave: | anyone know how to fix the overscan issue with the pvr-350's tv out? |
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| [03:12:00] | Kelerion: | I can get it working.. but it freezes them comp after a second or two.. had to install a new kernel module for it because the one under the kernel doesn't support it |
| [03:13:00] | xris: | kormoc: looks like I'm having xvmc issues. maybe I need a special x config option? |
| [03:14:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey mythgod.. er i mean xris.. does your hands hurt yet for typing so much in the past days? |
| [03:14:00] | xris: | Yellow-Snow: I have tendonitis.. so yes |
| [03:14:00] | jerky_3: | xris, which card and driver are you using? |
| [03:14:00] | Yellow-Snow: | damn! shit shit new mythtv release |
| [03:14:00] | briand: | xris: atrpms [at-stable] is the only 'at-*' option in there. for rpm and rpm-src |
| [03:14:00] | kormoc: | xris, xvinfo should show you a bit of info |
| [03:14:00] | Yellow-Snow: | time to pop the pills! |
| [03:14:00] | rtsai1111: | Kinesis Ergo keyboard is the best |
| [03:14:00] | Yellow-Snow: | voice to text owns that |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | lol! j/k |
| [03:15:00] | rtsai1111: | then you can't curse while you're coding |
| [03:15:00] | Kelerion: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=327683 |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | sure u can |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | comment |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | FUCK! |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | endcomment |
| [03:15:00] | Kelerion: | really funky cam.. and *beautiful* quality under windows |
| [03:15:00] | Kelerion: | and it's even got IR! lol |
| [03:15:00] | briand: | sidenote: turns out CSI:Miami is a repeat, anyway. |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | UFC |
| [03:15:00] | kormoc: | xris, you should see a NV17 Video Texture, and a NV05 Video Blitter |
| [03:15:00] | Yellow-Snow: | all the way |
| [03:15:00] | rtsai1111: | er, you can't cuss off-the-record |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | kormoc: where? |
| [03:16:00] | kormoc: | xris, xvinfo |
| [03:16:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i just want to say.. i added some foam to my pvr.. and its soooo much quieter |
| [03:16:00] | xris: | kormoc: yup, both there |
| [03:16:00] | rtsai1111: | Yellow-Snow: ventilation? |
| [03:16:00] | rav3r: | i changed the directory my videos are in, but the listing still shows stuff from the old directory, any way to refresh the video database to get rid of these files? |
| [03:17:00] | kormoc: | xris, hrm. glxgears is going nice and speedy like? |
| [03:17:00] | Yellow-Snow: | rtsai1111 yea not as good vent but i dont care |
| [03:17:00] | rav3r: | the files are still there, but they should be listed in the video listings |
| [03:17:00] | xris: | kormoc: 1700fps |
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| [03:17:00] | kormoc: | xris, that's a bit slow |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | kormoc: my machine is currently displaying/decoding HD |
| [03:18:00] | kormoc: | xris, ahh, gotcha |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | with 4x anti-aliasing enabled, too |
| [03:18:00] | rtsai1111: | Yellow-Snow: silentpcreview.com |
| [03:18:00] | kormoc: | xris, heh, that could do it some too... |
| [03:18:00] | xris: | oh, no anti-aliasing |
| [03:18:00] | kormoc: | xris, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 |
| [03:18:00] | rav3r: | also, should the posters folder not be inside the video folder? |
| [03:19:00] | kormoc: | xris, see if you have FBA and SBA enabled or not |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | says nothing about any of that |
| [03:19:00] | xris: | I'll aim you |
| [03:19:00] | kormoc: | kk |
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| [03:24:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: does it use the spca5xx driver ? |
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| [03:26:00] | briand: | so, is there some (easy) way to see what will be affected by removing myth-suite via apt-get ? |
| [03:27:00] | xris: | briand: apt will tell you |
| [03:27:00] | briand: | xris: is that what i should do now, then? `apt-get remove myth-suite` ?? |
| [03:27:00] | xris: | yup |
| [03:27:00] | briand: | i don't have anything scheduled on myth until tomorrow night. |
| [03:28:00] | briand: | wow. that was faster than I thought. "E: Couldn't find package myth-suite" |
| [03:29:00] | briand: | oh, it's mythtv-suite, isn't it? hmm.. |
| [03:29:00] | Kelerion: | Manolis: yup |
| [03:29:00] | xris: | briand: it's a meta-package |
| [03:29:00] | xris: | briand: not actually installed... it's just a group of other packages. |
| [03:29:00] | xris: | rpm -qa '*myth*' |
| [03:30:00] | briand: | 'k |
| [03:30:00] | scottder: | Bleh great... |
| [03:30:00] | xris: | better yet: apt-get remove `rpm -qa '*myth*'` |
| [03:30:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: I've had good luck with that driver and a cheap USB webcam, never had it lock my machine though |
| [03:30:00] | briand: | i assume I should stop mythbackend first, eh? |
| [03:31:00] | scottder: | there is no rpms nvidia-graphics7676 ATrpms package for the 2.6.14 kernel |
| [03:31:00] | scottder: | but there is for the 2.6.15 kernel |
| [03:31:00] | scottder: | go figure |
| [03:31:00] | Kelerion: | Manolis: when I saw the driver and it said it supported the chipset.. I was hopeful.. so I spent ages getting a kernel module build environment in place.. built it.. got a second of images.. then freeze.. gutted.. lol |
| [03:32:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: what app are you using to test it? MPlayer, VLC ? |
| [03:33:00] | Kelerion: | tried them both.. they wouldn't even get an image.. so I used the scpa* test utils and they just freeze it |
| [03:34:00] | briand: | xris: errors out, nearly immediately, with "E: Couldn't find package mythtv-backend-0.18.1–112.rhfc3.at" (that's the first package listed in the rpm -qa '*myth*' output) |
| [03:34:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: do you just get a green screen with MPlayer? |
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| [03:35:00] | xris: | briand: sorrt, remove the version numbers and everything after them |
| [03:35:00] | a1fa||64: | sup |
| [03:35:00] | Kelerion: | nothing.. no image at all with mplayer.. but it doesn't freeze out |
| [03:36:00] | Kelerion: | it's not that important.. I'll just get a different camera.. one thats better supported |
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| [03:36:00] | briand: | xris: hmm. so i will then need to individually remove all those packages, one at a time. ? |
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| [03:37:00] | Manolis: | does "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0" help at all? |
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| [03:38:00] | xris: | briand: you can put them all on one line: remove one two three etc |
| [03:38:00] | xris: | briand: apt-get remove one two three etc |
| [03:39:00] | Kelerion: | actually kinda.. I get an image.. but it's not the camera.. faint green background with a dark green dotted grid over the top |
| [03:39:00] | briand: | xris: okay.. and, obviously, this will completely remove MythTV from the system... yes? ..and how does this help me get QT installed? |
| [03:39:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: is the camera /dev/video0 ? maybe try driver=v4l2 ? |
| [03:40:00] | xris: | briand: I don't know. I told you to remove atrpms |
| [03:40:00] | xris: | not myth |
| [03:40:00] | rav3r: | i have some audio files in my video listings (oops) and have fixed my directory stucture, but still, myth lists some of the audio files under videos, even after it scans for new files. how can i get rid of these files, without having to delete the files? |
| [03:40:00] | briand: | xris: okay, then I'm totally confused and or mis-informed. |
| [03:40:00] | Kelerion: | ues.. video0.. v4l2 breaks mplayer |
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| [03:41:00] | Kelerion: | although I did think it was a v4l2 driver |
| [03:41:00] | xris: | briand: you need to remove the packages that are conflicting... if freetype is an issue, remove it. if gd is an issue, remove it. then apt-get -f |
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| [03:42:00] | Kelerion: | it actually looks like it is using a wrong input..as if it was a tv card |
| [03:42:00] | FunkyELF: | hey guys, any gentoo users in here upgrade to the newest version? |
| [03:43:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: I always had the best luck with VLC, not to mention it has great streaming support ;) |
| [03:43:00] | briand: | xris: okay, so I -don't- remove myth-suite or whatever is returned by `rpm -qa '*myth*' ? |
| [03:43:00] | xris: | briand: you shouldn't need to, no |
| [03:43:00] | briand: | well, now at least I understand the source of my confusion. |
| [03:44:00] | briand: | that's exactly what you said i should do, not 10 minutes ago. |
| [03:44:00] | xris: | I was just hoping that you had fewer atrpms packages installed so it'd be easier to cleanse your system. it's too hard to do that with as many as you have, though, so we should just get your qt stuff to install |
| [03:44:00] | xris: | briand: I'm probably as confused about this as you... you ask one thing, so I tell you how to do it. |
| [03:44:00] | Kelerion: | Manolis: what vlc command would be good to try? |
| [03:45:00] | briand: | xris: probably so. ;) |
| [03:45:00] | Kelerion: | vlc gives that same light green with dark green grid |
| [03:45:00] | rav3r: | what file stores the directory of video files? |
| [03:46:00] | xpis: | briand: you could just upgrade to fc5 and wipe everything |
| [03:46:00] | xris: | briand: personally, at this point I'd just reinstall.. but I've done that so many times I'm pretty fast at it. |
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| [03:47:00] | xris: | otherwise, your best option is to `apt-get -f` and just remove packages that come up with conflicts.. until you're removing something essential like X, or the problems go away |
| [03:47:00] | FunkyELF: | any SA 3250 users out there? |
| [03:47:00] | xris: | or just keep trying `apt-get install qt-devel` |
| [03:48:00] | Kelerion: | ok – it froze again.. lol |
| [03:48:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: I'm a command line freak, but when it comes to VLC, I actually prefer the GUI, sorry |
| [03:48:00] | xpis: | briad: you may have better luck in other rooms. RPM hell is beyond the scope of this channel. |
| [03:48:00] | xpis: | s/briad/briand/ |
| [03:49:00] | jerky_3: | kormoc/xris , i have all of the same issues.... both NV lines in xvinfo, 4200 fps in glxgears... but XvMC makes things much slower for me |
| [03:49:00] | xris: | jerky_3: best I figured, it just isn't the correct choice for such things. |
| [03:49:00] | Kelerion: | any recommendations for a well supported webcam for linux? |
| [03:49:00] | xris: | it totally f's up the output from my pvr-150... it looks decent for hdtv recordings. |
| [03:49:00] | rav3r: | under |
| [03:50:00] | jerky_3: | i'm in a bind cause i'm using a p4 2.2, which comes up just short for 1080i HDTV, so i need it |
| [03:50:00] | xris: | jerky_3: nice -0 |
| [03:50:00] | kormoc: | jerky_3, hrm... NvAGP or AGPgart? |
| [03:50:00] | Manolis: | Kelerion: I stopped looking after I got my $10 el Cheapo special working, I WISH I could get my iSight working though |
| [03:50:00] | xris: | my 2.4 can't record and play back 1080 at the same time. |
| [03:51:00] | Kelerion: | ok – thanks.. I'll have a look around :) |
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| [03:51:00] | jerky_3: | xris, are you saying to run it with highest priority? my nice says that's 20 |
| [03:51:00] | xris: | jerky_3: lower number is better.. nice runs -20 through +19 |
| [03:52:00] | xris: | the lowest non-root users can do is 0 |
| [03:52:00] | jerky_3: | kormoc, not sure what those do – but i saw a page telling me to set Option "NvAGP" "3" |
| [03:52:00] | briand: | xris: i agree. |
| [03:52:00] | jerky_3: | i also tried enabling fast writes and SBA |
| [03:52:00] | xris: | (and btw, -10 is +10.. to get negative you need --10) |
| [03:52:00] | kormoc: | jerky_3, that's the correct setting, aye |
| [03:52:00] | jerky_3: | i'm using a geforce4 ti 4400, which nvidia says only supports 1 of the 2 parts of XvMC |
| [03:53:00] | jerky_3: | i'm not sure what that means for me but it can't be good |
| [03:53:00] | xris: | brb.. need to go test my motion-detection webcam |
| [03:53:00] | rav3r: | under "video list" i have a folder listed "mattmusic" How do i get rid of it here without deleteing the actual directory? |
| [03:53:00] | jerky_3: | also, for some reason i've been having a hell of a time getting nvida-graphics7676 installed correctly, whereas 8178 worked easily |
| [03:54:00] | briand: | xris: so, failing strafing the disk and starting over, having already removed freetype .. what's the next step? |
| [03:54:00] | jerky_3: | it does this thing where X boots to a black screen and just hangs there... but if i boot with driver "nv" it will boot, then i can init 3, change driver to "nvidia", then init 5. |
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| [03:55:00] | jerky_3: | NVIDIA says the GeForce4 Ti products only support the "motion-compensation" level of XvMC, not the IDCT level – does anyone know what IDCT is? |
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| [03:58:00] | D-side: | now thats odd. |
| [03:58:00] | xris: | briand: yum update |
| [03:58:00] | D-side: | no live tv. |
| [03:58:00] | xcomp_: | . aplay /dev/dsp |
| [03:58:00] | xcomp_: | aplay: playback:2006: read error |
| [03:58:00] | xcomp_: | what does this mean? |
| [03:59:00] | xcomp_: | for some reason i can't capture |
| [03:59:00] | jerky_3: | is your /dev/dsp device in place and readable by the user you're using? |
| [03:59:00] | xcomp_: | it used to work too. don't know how it got messed up |
| [03:59:00] | briand: | xris: okay. `yum update` is running. will advise. |
| [04:00:00] | xcomp_: | jerky_3: yes it is. and i'm running that as root anyway. |
| [04:01:00] | briand: | xris: okay. it fails with the same error i started out with, after trying `yum install qt-devel` , namely: "Error: Missing Dependency: libviaXvMC.so.1 is needed by package mplayer" |
| [04:02:00] | xris: | rpm -e --nodeps mplayer |
| [04:03:00] | jerky_3: | so, it seems that a p4 2.2 isn't sufficient for decoding 1080i HDTV without a card that's fully XvMC compatible |
| [04:03:00] | jerky_3: | is anyone using a similar or lower powered processor that has an XvMC card that reduces the cpu load a lot? |
| [04:03:00] | briand: | xris: done. now `yum update` again? |
| [04:03:00] | jerky_3: | i have heard the most popular choice is the nvidia fx 5200 fanless series for myth boxes |
| [04:03:00] | xris: | briand: yup. just have to keep trying |
| [04:03:00] | xcomp_: | man this sucks. i can't record anymore and I have no clue what's gone wrong. |
| [04:04:00] | jerky_3: | xcomp_, reboot? :) |
| [04:04:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i just did the 7v trick |
| [04:04:00] | xcomp_: | jerky_3: oh heck no |
| [04:04:00] | xcomp_: | jerky_3: but I did unload all the sound modules and reload them |
| [04:05:00] | xcomp_: | i also upgraded alsa libs and init scripts for good measure |
| [04:05:00] | jerky_3: | when funky things start happening to me, i ahve a fixdvb.sh script i run |
| [04:05:00] | jerky_3: | does some modprobe -r 's and a modprobe again and chown's the device to the mythtv user |
| [04:05:00] | xcomp_: | i have mythtv running as root though. |
| [04:05:00] | briand: | xris: okay. 262M to download... and it's runnin' |
| [04:05:00] | xris: | briand: that's a start |
| [04:06:00] | briand: | xris: heh.. yeah, i guess so. |
| [04:06:00] | xcomp_: | something's borked with the sound driver and I can't capture sound anymore |
| [04:07:00] | briand: | I guess, with 142 packages to update, I can go do something else (such as enjoy the fire in the living room) for a bit... |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | heh |
| [04:07:00] | D-side: | wow. that sure is a hell of an overhaul xris |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | D-side: mythweb? |
| [04:07:00] | xris: | the code more than anything else, yes |
| [04:08:00] | D-side: | yeah, i just dug myself out of the hole i was in and got .19 working. |
| [04:08:00] | ** briand looks forward to seeing/using the new mythweb ** | |
| [04:08:00] | D-side: | the wonders of xen. :) |
| [04:08:00] | D-side: | uh oh. |
| [04:09:00] | briand: | D-side: I'm just now determining the depth of the hole I've dug. ...so, you're ahead of me |
| [04:09:00] | D-side: | er, nevermind. |
| [04:09:00] | D-side: | yeah, well the issues i was having were all self inflicted, so its about damn time i fixed them. :) |
| [04:10:00] | briand: | D-side: well, I guess all of mine are self-inflicted as well, since I'm the only one typing on the console... but I was only following directions. |
| [04:11:00] | D-side: | bahaha once again i killed the backend mysteriously. |
| [04:13:00] | briand: | fwiw: 99% of the updates that 'yum update' wants done are for the OS, not for myth specifically. |
| [04:13:00] | briand: | only three packages are getting installed to resolve dependencies. |
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| [04:13:00] | briand: | ...and only one of those three has anything to do with qt |
| [04:14:00] | rav3r: | this is weird, i hit "video manager" it prompts "mattmusic/iTunes/[bla bla bla]" appears to be missing (there is no question prompt) and i hit "yes to all" and it seems to update, but the files are still under 'video list', any thoughts? |
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| [04:17:00] | lametailgrep: | good day folks, i'm head first into a mythtv deployment (my first) and so far, i love it =) |
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| [04:21:00] | xpis: | hm.. why does mythweather grab things from weather.com? |
| [04:22:00] | rav3r: | also, i see nothing in the log |
| [04:22:00] | xpis: | Shouldn't it be using noaa.gov? |
| [04:24:00] | rav3r: | i read through the mythvideo readme, but can't find anything aobut my issue |
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| [04:24:00] | xpis: | "MythWeather uses MSNBC.COM as it ssource for weather data and weather.com for its radar image" << Why? |
| [04:24:00] | xris: | xpis: because that's where mythweather gets it |
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| [04:25:00] | ** xris digs the new mpeg2 lossless commercial cutting ** | |
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| [04:26:00] | xpis: | xris: and even though it's one of the major improvements, it's not blatant in the release notes. |
| [04:26:00] | xris: | xpis: yeah |
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| [04:27:00] | D-side: | hrm. this is no good. |
| [04:28:00] | sndguru: | question for anyone interested :? |
| [04:28:00] | D-side: | recordings i schedule manually via mythweb are stuck in the db but arent actually recorded. |
| [04:30:00] | xris: | D-side: since when? |
| [04:31:00] | sndguru: | I've setup mythtv (great program) this is on my frontend shuttle case, I installed myth system before prefecting the video drivers now the screen is streched to a point I can only see half the screen althou the black bars top and bottom is correct |
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| [04:31:00] | sndguru: | any idea where I need to look to change it |
| [04:32:00] | sndguru: | If tried the playback menu, with no luck |
| [04:32:00] | D-side: | xris: oh dont get me wrong, this isnt mythweb related. i'm trying now with a manual schedule via a frontend |
| [04:33:00] | D-side: | xris: sorry i wasnt clearer. |
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| [04:33:00] | hadees: | man am i glad .19 is out |
| [04:33:00] | hadees: | although does anyone else think there is a longer delay when starting recordings? |
| [04:33:00] | rav3r: | im waiting on .19 |
| [04:33:00] | xris: | D-side: ah. just wanted to know if there was a bug I had to fix. |
| [04:33:00] | rav3r: | can't get .18 working yet |
| [04:33:00] | xris: | there are a couple lingering bugs with mythweb and custom recording schedules. |
| [04:34:00] | Wembley: | hey I'm getting the error "unexpect response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" when I try to go to "watch tv" |
| [04:34:00] | D-side: | xris: yeah, sorry i presented it in such a way to make you worry. :) |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | rav3r: .19 might be easier. |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | Wembley: upgrade both frontend and backend |
| [04:34:00] | Wembley: | I know they are both the latest version |
| [04:34:00] | hadees: | also i think there is something wrong with the gentoo startup script for .19 |
| [04:34:00] | D-side: | hadees: why do you say that? |
| [04:34:00] | xris: | Wembley: obviously not or you wouldn't get the error |
| [04:34:00] | hadees: | but that isn't a mythtv problem |
| [04:35:00] | hadees: | D-side, it wasn't working for me, i had to start mythbackend in a screen session to get it running |
| [04:35:00] | Wembley: | xris: I've recompiled both from source |
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| [04:35:00] | hadees: | i haven't really looked into why i want to watch 24 |
| [04:35:00] | xris: | Wembley: make sure you don't have an old mythtv installed in /usr/local, or something like that |
| [04:35:00] | xris: | or NOT in /usr/local |
| [04:35:00] | Wembley: | xris hmmmm |
| [04:35:00] | rav3r: | xris: just want to get his video listing fixed |
| [04:36:00] | D-side: | hadees: odd, it Just Worked here. |
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| [04:36:00] | D-side: | xris: yeah, ignore me. its just not recording at all, regardless of method used to set up the schedule. |
| [04:36:00] | lametailgrep: | anyone here have TVOUT working on a Rage 128 pro ATI (with one of composite out, svideo out) using stock drivers in fedora core? (phew!) |
| [04:36:00] | hadees: | this is strange also, i just watched a recording speed up for no reason in .19 |
| [04:37:00] | hadees: | i hope that is mythtv play back and not in the recording |
| [04:37:00] | D-side: | livetv not working should have been my first hint. |
| [04:37:00] | sndguru: | lametailgrep : got a RADEON 9250 on FC4 |
| [04:37:00] | D-side: | hm, heres a particularly silly question. does 0.19 give a shit what version of ivtv is in use? |
| [04:37:00] | xris: | D-side: nope... only inasmuch as it should work |
| [04:38:00] | D-side: | i really didnt think so, and tht was my final straw to grasp at. |
| [04:38:00] | lametailgrep: | i have an older Rage 128 based card.. the radeons have ATI written linux drivers (which are apparently quite good). Mine would use third party drivers IMO |
| [04:38:00] | D-side: | my test conditions are garbage, i don't expect anything here to work correctly. |
| [04:38:00] | xris: | lametailgrep: ati only has drivers for the 8500+ cards |
| [04:38:00] | xris: | that'd be radeon.. post rage |
| [04:39:00] | lametailgrep: | well there are stock drivers included with X that work, i'd imagine all i have to do is force display to tvout, provided support exists. |
| [04:39:00] | lametailgrep: | (and by work, i mean work in accelerated mode in X over VGA at least) |
| [04:39:00] | xris: | lametailgrep: yeah. quality won't be so hot, though. |
| [04:40:00] | sndguru: | does the frontend control transcoding or the backend :? |
| [04:40:00] | lametailgrep: | what res do you pipe to your TV over your video-out? |
| [04:40:00] | rav3r: | i installed .18 with yum install mythtv-suite, is this something that will be set up for .19? |
| [04:40:00] | lametailgrep: | 1024, 800? 640? |
| [04:41:00] | xris: | lametailgrep: 800x600 for me |
| [04:41:00] | lametailgrep: | rav3r, likely yeah, but give time for the package maintainers to update binaries before it's available on yum. |
| [04:41:00] | hadees: | so anyone else getting a speed up issue? |
| [04:41:00] | lametailgrep: | .19 just came out.. |
| [04:41:00] | xris: | rav3r: atrpms has .19 ready in the testing repository |
| [04:43:00] | rav3r: | thanks, i'm really not in a hurry on .19, just want to fix this video listing |
| [04:43:00] | JuNiOx: | what other good frontend? (except mythfrontend) |
| [04:45:00] | rav3r: | is there any file i can remove, and recreate to fix this listing? |
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| [04:48:00] | sndguru: | exit |
| [04:48:00] | sndguru: | :) wrong window :) ssh |
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| [04:53:00] | D-side: | so, yes. xen + mythtv = stupid |
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| [04:55:00] | xris: | JuNiOx: huh? |
| [04:55:00] | scott: | hi :) |
| [04:55:00] | JuNiOx: | xris, i need one frontend ... what do you think good ? |
| [04:56:00] | xris: | software? hardware? |
| [04:56:00] | JuNiOx: | software |
| [04:56:00] | scott: | I just want you to know I've pulled cable in the attic so I can now be at 100Mbps instead of 4Mbps(wireless) to my frontend!!!! |
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| [04:57:00] | xris: | JuNiOx: there's only one mythfrontend |
| [04:57:00] | xris: | scott: cool. I did that from the other side. |
| [04:57:00] | JuNiOx: | but... there is mythfrontend for windows? |
| [04:58:00] | D-side: | hm.. is there a working implementation of telephone CID on the OSD? |
| [04:58:00] | D-side: | i vaguely remember seeing something about it a long while back. |
| [04:59:00] | D-side: | just wondering if it would be worth sticking a modem into the box for (if that even works that way) |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | JuNiOx: barely. hasn't been touched in ages, and didn't work well when it did. |
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| [04:59:00] | xris: | D-side: mythphone |
| [04:59:00] | xris: | JuNiOx: and it wasn't a full frontend. just a recorded-program viewer |
| [05:00:00] | D-side: | i thought that was voip? |
| [05:01:00] | D-side: | unimportant anyway. i have bigger fish to fry, in the form of completely redoing the mythtv box. :) |
| [05:01:00] | D-side: | thanks though. |
| [05:02:00] | ** dev- pushes the do-over button ** | |
| [05:02:00] | dev-: | do over! do over! |
| [05:02:00] | HReadren: | strange mythweb upgrade problem — getting a "failed to open stream" — looks like reading the themes file. |
| [05:02:00] | HReadren: | Here's the error: |
| [05:02:00] | HReadren: | error string: main(themes/Default//welcome.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [05:02:00] | HReadren: | filename: /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythtv/modules/welcome.php |
| [05:03:00] | HReadren: | the two slashes seem suspicious... |
| [05:03:00] | HReadren: | yes, i've checked .htaccess and config.php but nothing pops out as undone. |
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| [05:05:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | still alive xris? |
| [05:05:00] | fatmatt: | whats better, ATI or NVIDIA for tv output |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | fatmatt, nvidia is better under linux period. |
| [05:06:00] | dev-: | for now anyway, ati is getting much better |
| [05:06:00] | dev-: | for just tv out, they're even |
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| [05:07:00] | kormoc: | dev-, other then all the odd behaviour ati stuff |
| [05:08:00] | tweak_st: | ati is unamerican |
| [05:08:00] | dev-: | for games, like under cedega, nvidia is by far better. but the fglrx driver is getting better and better |
| [05:08:00] | dev-: | only odd things ive read about are mobile ati cards hehe |
| [05:08:00] | FunkyELF is now known as Funky|Sleep | |
| [05:09:00] | kormoc: | dev-, lack of XvMC... Odd issues with Xv... Bugs galore... |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | ive had no issues with myth with my radeon 9500pro |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | no xvmc of course. |
| [05:09:00] | kormoc: | dev-, everytime my work card goes into XV, it blacks out both screens for a second, one at a time before enabling Xv |
| [05:09:00] | dev-: | interesting, i havent seen that. |
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| [05:10:00] | kormoc: | dev-, 2-d Accelleration is disabled on the second head of the card |
| [05:10:00] | Chutt: | dev-, i won. |
| [05:10:00] | ** fatmatt is unamerican ** | |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | Chutt: :) |
| [05:10:00] | kormoc: | dev-, I've had many, many odd issues with Ati and linux with my work's 9600 |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | i set cron to run mythfilldatabase every hour |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | i hope i helped slightly. |
| [05:10:00] | dev-: | ;p |
| [05:10:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [05:11:00] | dev-: | now its back to 9:15am EST once a day ;lp |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | don't use cron |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | use myth's internal stuff |
| [05:11:00] | dev-: | i have upgraded to .19 yet |
| [05:11:00] | kormoc: | dev-, internal stuff was in 0.18 as well |
| [05:11:00] | Chutt: | not the suggested time |
| [05:12:00] | Chutt: | but, it does allow you to select when you'd want to download |
| [05:12:00] | dev-: | yeah? hrmph, i dont think ive ever seen it in any of the setup menus.. |
| [05:12:00] | dev-: | i did what tom requested, few months ago actually, dont remember if i got an email about it or it was the last survey i did, but i switched from 5am to 9:15am, off the hour as requested, in the timeframe he requested.. |
| [05:12:00] | fatmatt: | have the usb digital tuners gotten any better recently? |
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| [05:13:00] | dev-: | personally ive never had a problem getting listings |
| [05:13:00] | dev-: | even when it was at 5am heh |
| [05:14:00] | dev-: | these new hersey kissables rule |
| [05:14:00] | dev-: | they're like big m&m's |
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| [05:15:00] | lametailgrep: | so i'm under the impression tv-out on the ATI (any) cards other than Radeon is going to be a royal pain in the ass, if not impossible. |
| [05:16:00] | lametailgrep: | however, on NVIDIA cards (i do own a Geforce 2 MX with Tv-out!) it's dead easy. |
| [05:16:00] | dev-: | gf2 has its own issues |
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| [05:16:00] | roz: | (can someone help me with HD? I am trying to play the Test stream, and it comes up as a blue screen in Xine... Mplayer Crashes. Ideas anyone? |
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| [05:18:00] | lametailgrep: | boy oh boy, i think ATI needs to get their ass in gear, they have really dropped the ball with Linux support |
| [05:18:00] | lametailgrep: | after all these years.. tisk tisk.. |
| [05:19:00] | lametailgrep: | not like it matters to the rank 'n file computer users out there.. |
| [05:19:00] | dev-: | i actually disagree |
| [05:19:00] | dev-: | its gotten much, much better |
| [05:19:00] | dev-: | heh |
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| [05:20:00] | dev-: | if you have a radeon or newer anyway :) |
| [05:20:00] | kormoc: | it is much better then it was, but still, it's not that great. |
| [05:20:00] | dev-: | i still prefer nvidia, especially for gaming |
| [05:21:00] | lametailgrep: | ok, true, but ATI's obviously later in the game =) |
| [05:21:00] | dev-: | plus twinview rocks. |
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| [05:21:00] | lametailgrep: | and the all-in-wonders not working in Linux ? pfft! |
| [05:21:00] | lametailgrep: | (tv capture, etc) |
| [05:21:00] | dev-: | they're kind of poop |
| [05:21:00] | dev-: | imho |
| [05:21:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [05:21:00] | lametailgrep: | i have two ATI all in wonders with tv capture here |
| [05:22:00] | lametailgrep: | should i just get windows XP media centre edition? |
| [05:22:00] | lametailgrep: | ahh no, that';s no fun |
| [05:22:00] | lametailgrep: | screw that. =-) these cards are almost as good as garbage to me.. |
| [05:22:00] | dev-: | maybe you can sell them on ebay, and get a couple of pvr150's |
| [05:22:00] | dev-: | they're pretty cheap |
| [05:22:00] | lametailgrep: | i bought a PVR 150. |
| [05:23:00] | lametailgrep: | the ati's were sitting around at work collecting dust |
| [05:23:00] | lametailgrep: | i don't have the PVR 150 working flawlessly yet... |
| [05:23:00] | lametailgrep: | but yesterday I at least had it working capturing fine, but i rebooted and it's toasted |
| [05:23:00] | lametailgrep: | (fuzzy screen, not tuning properly) |
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| [05:24:00] | lametailgrep: | but that's for tomorrow. i'll be back tomorrow to bash questions and fine-tune my setup. |
| [05:24:00] | lametailgrep: | later |
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| [05:27:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know the answer to this... If I have a digital cable box am I going to need an IR blaster or something of the sort in order to properly be able to schedule recordings and watch livetv? |
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| [05:28:00] | dev-: | scehdule recordings, no, watch livetv/change channels yes. |
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| [05:28:00] | dev-: | i would be very surprised if the wiki doesnt have something on it that explains the ways to control a set-top-box |
| [05:29:00] | Gumby: | how will it be able to change channels for recording if its on one of the digital channels not available with regular cable? |
| [05:29:00] | dev-: | did you check the wiki? |
| [05:29:00] | Gumby: | not yet no. |
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| [05:33:00] | Night-Red: | does anyone have xp seting up the blaster for a Hauppauge150? |
| [05:33:00] | dev-: | why would you need an ir blaster for a pvr150? |
| [05:33:00] | dev-: | or do you mean the ir receiver... |
| [05:34:00] | Night-Red: | i have the reciver working the blaster will not transmit the remote i need |
| [05:35:00] | dev-: | dunno, im sure you read the docs right |
| [05:35:00] | dev-: | the ones 2 lines off the mythtv.org |
| [05:35:00] | dev-: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.7 |
| [05:35:00] | dev-: | 8.7 Configuring lirc for use with an IR blaster |
| [05:35:00] | dev-: | that one? :) |
| [05:37:00] | dev-: | er, links, not lines. lol. coke on the brain |
| [05:37:00] | Night-Red: | yes and it does transmit but not the codes for this one remote |
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| [05:45:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i use knoppmyth |
| [05:45:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | it auto installs everything. .tho i ahve to add lirc_dev and lirc_i2c to the modules |
| [05:47:00] | Night-Red: | right well i ok i will order the serial blaster farsimpler then the drivers for that pvr150 card |
| [05:49:00] | dev-: | Night-Red: did you read the docs? you may not need an irblaster if you have usb/firewall/serial on your cable box.. |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | firewire |
| [05:50:00] | dev-: | ugh tired heh |
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| [05:50:00] | fryfrog: | if it makes you feel better, i read it as "firewire" until you corrected yourself :) |
| [05:51:00] | dev-: | hehe |
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| [05:52:00] | Night-Red: | i have a motorola rg2200 there is no serial the only option is blaster |
| [05:53:00] | hadees: | so anyone else getting a speed up issue? |
| [05:53:00] | hadees: | like a sudden ffw on the recording? |
| [05:56:00] | Wembley: | hehe |
| [05:56:00] | Wembley: | would love to set MY cable box on fire :) |
| [05:58:00] | Night-Red: | same |
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| [05:58:00] | Night-Red: | i want standard cable since there is no point in anymore for me |
| [05:59:00] | Wembley: | I think that my cable box is tuning into a digital signal even though I am watching "analog" channels |
| [05:59:00] | dev-: | i just wish the military channel was over regular cable heh |
| [05:59:00] | dev-: | that chan rocks |
| [05:59:00] | flindet_: | Hi. So, when I do a yum update I'm getting errors about libmjpegutils-1.8.so.0 not being available. Is there anything that I can do? |
| [05:59:00] | Wembley: | that is, when I am on an analog channel, and the signal gets poor, it gets "blocky" just like a digital signal |
| [06:01:00] | Night-Red: | simpler question i know that there is a way to get the program guide in tv mode to do transparent with out the show in a small square in the corner how do i do that? |
| [06:02:00] | fryfrog: | Wembley: a lot of cable providers send their "analog" channels in digital on another station, i think the box transparently subs them in |
| [06:02:00] | fryfrog: | Wembley: my air2pc card gets a couple of em, but I see the same mpeg2 blocky effects sometimes too |
| [06:02:00] | flindet_: | are others having problems updating the atrpms? |
| [06:03:00] | Night-Red: | how so flin? |
| [06:03:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: you have a car tune in digital cable? |
| [06:03:00] | flindet_: | i am |
| [06:03:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: s/car/card |
| [06:03:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, i *think* my air2pc hd5000 picks up some of their unencrypted, non-hd digital channels |
| [06:03:00] | flindet_: | When I try to update atrpms, I get Error: Package transcode needs libmjpegutils-1.8.so.0, this is not available. |
| [06:03:00] | fryfrog: | it is such a pain in the ass identifying them though that i haven't yet |
| [06:04:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: I am trying to connect the cable box to my PC using firewire |
| [06:04:00] | fryfrog: | there are only about 8 HD channels on my cable, but scanning with my card picks up like 70 channels :( |
| [06:04:00] | Night-Red: | rpmfind.org do it manually and keep going i had a lot of problems like that |
| [06:04:00] | fryfrog: | Wembley: blech, i tried that |
| [06:04:00] | briand: | xris: (100/142), and still rollin' ;) |
| [06:04:00] | xris: | briand: slow... heh |
| [06:04:00] | flindet_: | Night-Red: thanks, I'll try that |
| [06:04:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: what was the problem with that? |
| [06:05:00] | fryfrog: | Wembley: it mainly was just a pain in the ass, and it was hard to tell if the box would send a chan or not |
| [06:05:00] | fryfrog: | ie, it wouldn't send some HD chans, would send other... |
| [06:05:00] | briand: | xris: [shrug] .. most of the stuff is < 1:00 to download... some, though are 5, 6, or 15 minutes |
| [06:05:00] | fryfrog: | sometimes it wouldn't send digital channels, sometimes it would |
| [06:05:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: yeah it depends on if the channel is set to enable 5c encryption |
| [06:05:00] | fryfrog: | firewire for me turned out to be a great way to *change* channels, but not capture :( |
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| [06:07:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: I can get it to change channels using the 6200ch program |
| [06:07:00] | fryfrog: | yup, thats what i used |
| [06:09:00] | rav3r: | why would i get "Permission denied" when i run rebuilddatabase as root? |
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| [06:11:00] | Wembley: | fryfrog: yes you are right – the cable box IS silently substituting a digital channel on the "analog" channels according to its internal test screens |
| [06:12:00] | rav3r: | duh, made it executable |
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| [06:14:00] | briand: | xris: so, after this 'yum update' is done (sometime after I wake up, I'm guessing), I should then be able to 'yum install qt-devel', right? or is there another step first? |
| [06:15:00] | xris: | briand: hopefully |
| [06:16:00] | briand: | xris: 'k. i'll try to sleep with my fingers crossed, then. ;) |
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| [06:18:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'm thinking of getting a mac mini to use as a frontend.. does anyone have any experience w/.19 and osx? |
| [06:18:00] | briand: | xris: ...and, if i haven't implied it yet, i'll explictly say, "thanks for your help" :) |
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| [06:18:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'm just wondering if the frontend is stable enough to invest $500 in |
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| [06:22:00] | eiggirC: | 2.6.15 and udev is kaborked in debian's kernel package |
| [06:22:00] | eiggirC: | just FYI |
| [06:23:00] | xris: | briand: that's why many of us hang out here. plus the groupies. |
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| [06:23:00] | xris: | JoeyJoeJo: huh? |
| [06:23:00] | eiggirC: | xris: I thought it was to get girls....? |
| [06:23:00] | xris: | eiggirC: nah, I have one of those already |
| [06:23:00] | eiggirC: | xris: :) |
| [06:23:00] | Night-Red: | it is stable |
| [06:24:00] | xris: | now I need groupies who will buy me beer |
| [06:24:00] | eiggirC: | JoeyJoeJo: no idea. My G3 is too slow for mythfrontend :( |
| [06:24:00] | dev-: | that doesnt sound right |
| [06:24:00] | dev-: | my p3 450 is fast enough for a frontend |
| [06:24:00] | dev-: | sdtv of course.. |
| [06:25:00] | Night-Red: | question i know that there is a way to get the program guide in tv mode to do transparent with out the show in a small square in the corner how do i do that? |
| [06:25:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | dev: yeah, I'm just trying to get a good sdtv frontend |
| [06:26:00] | xris: | Night-Red: never heard of that |
| [06:27:00] | dev-: | JoeyJoeJo: i havent used myth on osx, but several people in here have |
| [06:27:00] | dev-: | by hardware specs alone a mini is fast enough for a frontend playing sdtv |
| [06:27:00] | dev-: | not hdtv tho |
| [06:27:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | ok.. I think I'm gonna search the mailing list to see if anything is in there about it.. unfortunatly nothing was in the wiki yet |
| [06:28:00] | briand: | xris: I'll buy you a beer, maybe even two! ...lemme know when you're in Tallahassee, FL. :) |
| [06:29:00] | briand: | ...i wouldn't recommend it before the weekend, tho... kinda chilly here today/tonight/tomorrow... currently 23F, expected to go down to 18–19F before dawn |
| [06:30:00] | dev-: | 23 in florida? wtf |
| [06:30:00] | xris: | briand: I'll let you know in a few years. heh |
| [06:30:00] | briand: | northern FL, yeah. |
| [06:30:00] | dev-: | thats crazy its the same temp in fl as in nj |
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| [06:30:00] | dev-: | ;p |
| [06:31:00] | briand: | yeah, tell me about it! it didn't get above 50F here today (well, yesterday now) |
| [06:32:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | 20/m/tx here a/s/l? |
| [06:32:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | lol =p |
| [06:32:00] | dev-: | we got 2 feet of snow this weekend |
| [06:32:00] | dev-: | i would kill to be in fl, even with 50 degrees |
| [06:32:00] | briand: | well, we didn't get any snow... but it's plenty chilly (for FL) |
| [06:32:00] | dev-: | 14/f/nj |
| [06:32:00] | dev-: | loookin for some hot msg fun |
| [06:33:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hahah |
| [06:33:00] | briand: | i'm originally from NY (upstate), so I know what 'cold' is like... |
| [06:33:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | watch my webcam! |
| [06:34:00] | dev-: | hehe |
| [06:34:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | im thinking about |
| [06:34:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | installing my pvr into my dresser |
| [06:34:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | under my tv |
| [06:35:00] | briand: | what about ventilation? |
| [06:35:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | um some holes and maybe a fan |
| [06:35:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i would cut out the back |
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| [06:37:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | that would almost completely reduce the noise eh |
| [06:37:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | ? |
| [06:38:00] | dev-: | that sounds crazy hehe |
| [06:38:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | dev |
| [06:38:00] | dev-: | use 100–120mm fans and you'll be almost silent |
| [06:38:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i would cut a hole out the front and back |
| [06:38:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | and just slide the puppy in flush and tight |
| [06:38:00] | dev-: | my backens have 100 and 120mm fans, they're almost completely silent except for the power supply fans |
| [06:38:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:38:00] | briand: | you're putting a puppy in there, too? gonna get kinda cramped |
| [06:38:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i think its my cpu fan thats so loud.. its so old |
| [06:39:00] | dev-: | anything smaller than 100mm is loud |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | haha so what type of cpu fan do u recomend |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | yea |
| [06:39:00] | eiggirC: | Yellow-Snow2: water cooling *nod* |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i also just modded my case fan to 5v |
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| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | dude im a poor college student |
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| [06:39:00] | briand: | liquid nitrogen cooling. |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | cheap fans |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | k thx |
| [06:39:00] | dev-: | water cooling can get messy hehe |
| [06:39:00] | dev-: | there are nice fans on newegg that are 100mm |
| [06:39:00] | dev-: | you need to make sure it'll fit in your case though |
| [06:39:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | yea |
| [06:40:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | well its pretty tight |
| [06:40:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | =\ |
| [06:40:00] | dev-: | like check where your drives are and stuff |
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| [06:40:00] | briand: | definitely wouldn't fit in my case |
| [06:40:00] | dev-: | i have my dvdroms on the top 5.25 slots, in a midtower, it just fits behind the hd's |
| [06:40:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | ill take a pic of my setup |
| [06:40:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | sec |
| [06:40:00] | briand: | i think just about everything that's gonna fit in there is already squeezed in there |
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| [06:40:00] | Netslayer: | if i emerge mysql.. do i have to re emerge qt to keep the dep there? |
| [06:41:00] | dev-: | mid towers shouldnt have a problem, but micro/mini atx no way ;p |
| [06:42:00] | dev-: | i use epia10k's for my frontends, they're small and silent. netbooting off my backends |
| [06:42:00] | rav3r: | xris: (or whoever knows) how do i find the .19 atrpms? i cant find them here http://atrpms.net/dist/ |
| [06:42:00] | xris: | rav3r: enable atrpms testing |
| [06:42:00] | briand: | dev-: i'm using an Asus Pundit for my combined frontend/backend |
| [06:43:00] | dev-: | my first myth box was a standalone |
| [06:43:00] | dev-: | but it was in a mini-atx case, burnt out a tuner in it because the case was too small |
| [06:43:00] | rav3r: | how do i do that on fedora c4? |
| [06:43:00] | briand: | of course, the main shortcoming of this setup is.. lack of space for new drives. |
| [06:44:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | http://members.cox.net/danielarbour/DSC00543.JPG |
| [06:44:00] | dev-: | so i got new mobos and cases, put 4 pvr250's between 2 boxes and have them in my computer room. epia10k's on the 2 tvs, bedroom and living room |
| [06:44:00] | dev-: | works much better |
| [06:44:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | slide that thing in.. take off the case sides |
| [06:44:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | it would be fine |
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| [06:45:00] | briand: | anyway... i'm off to bed. g'nite all. |
| [06:46:00] | dev-: | carefull if you have more than 1 tuner |
| [06:46:00] | dev-: | they get *extremely* hot |
| [06:46:00] | dev-: | take it from someone who fried one |
| [06:46:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | na |
| [06:46:00] | dev-: | heh |
| [06:46:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i dont |
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| [06:46:00] | dev-: | you will soon ;) myth is a slippery slope |
| [06:46:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | na |
| [06:46:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | for those who have money |
| [06:46:00] | dev-: | then you'll have 3 tuners, then 4 |
| [06:47:00] | dev-: | 1 part at a time ;) |
| [06:47:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | i still need a dvd player |
| [06:47:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | well.. dvd burner |
| [06:47:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | mine is a "slide in the cd" type |
| [06:47:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | and dosent really work well w/ my case that has a door |
| [06:47:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | lol |
| [06:48:00] | Gumby: | I need a slot load DVD player for my carpc |
| [06:48:00] | dev-: | xine/mplayer kind of suck for playing dvds. might as well get a cheap apex |
| [06:48:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | ... |
| [06:48:00] | dev-: | i have many dvds that are unplayable by xine for whatever reason. |
| [06:48:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | why dev? |
| [06:48:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:48:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | even w/ the.. um.. plugins? |
| [06:48:00] | dev-: | yup. and these are retail |
| [06:48:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:48:00] | dev-: | like gone in 60 seconds, go to "play movie" and xine segfaults. |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | what about |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:49:00] | dev-: | mplayer will play the ones xine cant, but no menu support in mplayer which blows |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | whast that program to run windos programs on linux |
| [06:49:00] | dev-: | oh and there's nothing wrong with my xine build ;) its just some dvds dont work, most work fine |
| [06:49:00] | Wembley: | for some reason xawtv segfaults my computer ubt tvtime works fine |
| [06:49:00] | dev-: | wine |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | use wine |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | for a windows dvd player |
| [06:49:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | ? |
| [06:50:00] | dev-: | may work, dunno, would be interesting. cedega proves wine can do hardware accel just fine |
| [06:50:00] | dev-: | but then it wouldnt work with lirc i bet |
| [06:51:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [06:51:00] | Yellow-Snow2 is now known as Yellow-Snow | |
| [06:51:00] | dev-: | i use my xbox's for playing dvds |
| [06:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY yellowsnow |
| [06:52:00] | Gumby: | lol |
| [06:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | <3 that |
| [06:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | apt-get install wine? |
| [06:53:00] | xris: | Yellow-Snow: your nick is your password? :P |
| [06:53:00] | Yellow-Snow: | steal it if u want |
| [06:53:00] | Yellow-Snow: | like i care |
| [06:53:00] | Yellow-Snow: | lol |
| [06:54:00] | Yellow-Snow: | who wants impersonate a noob anways |
| [06:54:00] | Yellow-Snow: | xris |
| [06:55:00] | xris: | ;) |
| [06:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | so whats your opinion on wine and using a windows dvd program? or any other options? |
| [06:55:00] | xris: | for playing dvd's/ |
| [06:55:00] | xris: | ? |
| [06:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yup |
| [06:55:00] | Gumby: | atrpms repository is broken for mythtv 0.19 |
| [06:56:00] | Mudhoney: | using wine for dvd programs is more than likely a lot more work than using linux dvd player software |
| [06:56:00] | dev-: | no reason windvd/powerdvd wouldnt work under wine, but you i doubt lirc would work. infact im 99% sure it wouldnt |
| [06:56:00] | dev-: | yeah its just toobad xine sort of sucks |
| [06:56:00] | xris: | Yellow-Snow: personally, I use a dvd player |
| [06:56:00] | dev-: | it plays 80% of dvds, but that 20% makes it suck. |
| [06:57:00] | Puh: | are there any known problems with 2.4.x kernels and the linuxtv-1.1.1 -dvb package? |
| [06:57:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i know xris.. thats the best way to go.. but i wonder there has to be a decent alternatve |
| [06:57:00] | Mudhoney: | there are other players, I'm not sure all the ones I've used but I've been able to play just about everything with mplayer/xine |
| [06:57:00] | Puh: | it seems that my tuners get jammed every now and then and i'm suspecting a kernel/driver upgrade might help |
| [06:57:00] | dev-: | gone in 60 seconds wont play in xine |
| [06:57:00] | dev-: | retail |
| [06:57:00] | dev-: | heh |
| [06:58:00] | dev-: | apollo13 wont either |
| [06:58:00] | dev-: | there's a few others i have that wont, but all of them work fine in mplayer |
| [06:58:00] | Mudhoney: | do they use a special encryption? |
| [06:58:00] | dev-: | they work in mplayer |
| [06:59:00] | dev-: | which is fine and dandy, but menu support is nice ;p |
| [06:59:00] | dev-: | i use xbox's to play dvds on my tvs anyway, would just be nice if there was 1 program that could play all dvds |
| [06:59:00] | dev-: | oh, with menu support ;) |
| [06:59:00] | Yellow-Snow: | there is |
| [06:59:00] | Yellow-Snow: | just lirc wont work |
| [06:59:00] | Mudhoney: | you should find out why they wont play |
| [07:00:00] | Yellow-Snow: | my comp locks up when i try to play a dvd |
| [07:00:00] | Yellow-Snow: | using mplayer |
| [07:00:00] | Mudhoney: | vlc is another option, I think it has menu support |
| [07:00:00] | Mudhoney: | if you find out why those specific movies don't work you can do something about it instead of just saying they don't work :) |
| [07:01:00] | dev-: | and how would i find out why they dont work. its not like it cant decrypt with libdvdcss, it opens .ifo, it loads to menu, then you hit play and it segfaults |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | i have a few hundred movies, only a couple dont work |
| [07:02:00] | Mudhoney: | alright, so then it's a matter of google and talking to the developers, helping them fix the problem |
| [07:02:00] | Mudhoney: | oh I see |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | libdvdread: Found 4 VTS's |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | No accelerated IMDCT transform found |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | libdvdread: Can't seek to block 3417644 |
| [07:02:00] | dev-: | libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 3 (VTS_03_0.IFO). |
| [07:03:00] | dev-: | xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP. |
| [07:03:00] | dev-: | ^ gone in 60 seconds, retail |
| [07:03:00] | xris: | dev-: please don't flood. use a pastebin |
| [07:03:00] | dev-: | yeah yeah sorry ;p figured it was only a few lines. |
| [07:04:00] | dev-: | and like 3 people talking |
| [07:04:00] | dev-: | heh |
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| [07:04:00] | Mudhoney: | well it appears from an initial search it's not a widespread problem, perhaps not even the programs fault at all, however I have no clue without looking into it more |
| [07:05:00] | Yellow-Snow: | my xine says "no input plugin to handle" |
| [07:05:00] | dev-: | again, the vast majority of my dvds play fine. its just a few that dont. but those few that dont just shows that xine could not be trusted, at least in my case, to be my sole dvd player |
| [07:06:00] | dev-: | Yellow-Snow: you're probably not use xine dvd://path/to/img or xine dvd:// to load your dvdrom.. |
| [07:06:00] | Wembley: | grrr |
| [07:07:00] | Mudhoney: | I wish my xbox still played dvd's well :/ |
| [07:07:00] | Wembley: | I am STILL getting "unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" and I've recompiled from scratch! |
| [07:07:00] | dev-: | Mudhoney: problems with your reader? you can get new ones on ebay for cheap ;) |
| [07:08:00] | dev-: | if you're not afraid to take apart your xbox, of course |
| [07:08:00] | dev-: | i understand there are people that are ;p |
| [07:08:00] | Mudhoney: | I probably will, I really want it for a mythtv frontend someday |
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| [07:10:00] | dev-: | if only you could turn it on with the remote.. then id be useing it as a frontend, definitely |
| [07:10:00] | RancidLM: | hey all.. my card has svideo input and composite input.. how do i switch to use them if i hook up a video game system into it? |
| [07:12:00] | dev-: | on that note, im going to bed |
| [07:12:00] | dev-: | gnite :) |
| [07:12:00] | Mudhoney: | bye |
| [07:15:00] | rav3r: | that was so simple, i'm scared |
| [07:15:00] | rav3r: | i upgraded to .19, and my video listing problem was fixed! |
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| [07:20:00] | xris: | rav3r: :) |
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| [07:23:00] | xris: | anyone know how to take a screenshot in linux that only grabs the contents of the focused window, rather than the whole screen? |
| [07:24:00] | stoffel: | xris: xv can do that |
| [07:24:00] | xris: | stoffel: no keystroke? I only need a few new ones of mythweb. easier to just cut them out with gimp at that point |
| [07:25:00] | stoffel: | xris: sorry? |
| [07:25:00] | xris: | stoffel: want to screencap the contents of the browser window, not the whole screen |
| [07:26:00] | stoffel: | yes i know. xv has a screenshot feature that does that |
| [07:27:00] | Wembley: | hmmm |
| [07:27:00] | Wembley: | this is odd |
| [07:27:00] | Wembley: | I'm getting an invalid file error |
| [07:27:00] | stoffel: | xv is an image viewer program |
| [07:27:00] | Wembley: | "RingBuf (/mnt/store/whatever.mpg) Invaild file (fd 16) |
| [07:28:00] | Wembley: | and "NVP::OpenFile()" is giving me a file not found error |
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| [07:28:00] | Wembley: | and the file does not exist |
| [07:30:00] | ** xris grumbles about mkiconmap not working ** | |
| [07:32:00] | Gumby: | does anyone know which tables holds the weather settings ? I've tried to set the within the information center setup but it doesnt seem tobe sticking |
| [07:32:00] | xris: | Gumby: settings |
| [07:32:00] | xris: | dissect mythweb's weather section.. it's pretty straightforward |
| [07:33:00] | Arkkis: | btw: Happy Valentines day :) |
| [07:33:00] | Gumby: | xris: thx, I'll have a look |
| [07:33:00] | Gumby: | Arkkis: what are you my gf? sheesh |
| [07:33:00] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [07:33:00] | ** Gumby has to fix mythweb now as 0.19 seemed to add security features via .htaccess ** | |
| [07:33:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, in Finland valentines day is translated as "friends day" |
| [07:34:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, did mythweb broke down for you too in .19 ? |
| [07:34:00] | Gumby: | Arkkis: I dont think its broken, I think some security features have been enabled that need to be setup. Not a terribly bad idea IMHO |
| [07:34:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey if i edit my /etc/apt/sources.list just add the new lines? or do i have to comment out the ones in there |
| [07:35:00] | xris: | Gumby: not really security features. I just want to get rid of conf.php at some point |
| [07:35:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, not a bad idea at all, but I could not get it working |
| [07:35:00] | xris: | Arkkis: read the readme and .htaccess files |
| [07:36:00] | Arkkis: | xris, I did |
| [07:36:00] | xris: | and what isn't working? |
| [07:36:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, what could be some reason why mythtv dies once I select a recording in Watch Recording? mythweb shows it's 6.8 gig. It does also show the picture but in mythfrontend, it displays it as black in 1 second then mythfrontend crashes |
| [07:37:00] | Arkkis: | when I load the page, it says that there's a problem in .htaccess file with db_* stuff |
| [07:37:00] | xris: | Arkkis: did you install/enable mod_env? |
| [07:37:00] | xris: | and fix AllowOverride |
| [07:37:00] | Arkkis: | it was enabled, yes |
| [07:37:00] | Arkkis: | and yes, I fixed allowoverride |
| [07:38:00] | Arkkis: | I had the previous mythweb running |
| [07:38:00] | xris: | just in case: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/181882#181882 |
| [07:38:00] | xris: | previous mythweb didn't use mod_env, and didn't rely so heavily on settings in .htaccess |
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| [07:39:00] | defaultro: | wow xris, 0.19 is out :D |
| [07:39:00] | defaultro: | i see it in the topic |
| [07:40:00] | Arkkis: | xris, thanks, I'll look into it when I get home |
| [07:40:00] | xris: | Arkkis: I tried to make it as painless as possible |
| [07:42:00] | Arkkis: | well, as usual, the users prove to be more stupid than anticipated =) |
| [07:42:00] | xris: | I think most people just fix the first AllowOverride they see, instead of the correct one. |
| [07:42:00] | Gumby: | xris: I have everything set propery, mod_env is set in httpd.conf, all the db settings are correct but I see no activity at all in the db log files. |
| [07:42:00] | xris: | Gumby: what's mythweb say when you access it? |
| [07:43:00] | Gumby: | same type of error as Arkkis stated |
| [07:43:00] | ** Gumby checks the AllowOverride instructions ** | |
| [07:45:00] | xris: | Gumby: follow that link I pasted to him |
| [07:45:00] | xris: | there's been a fair amount of discussion about it on the mailing list |
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| [07:51:00] | Gumby: | xris: that did it. the second allowoverride in FC4's httpd.conf is where its at |
| [07:51:00] | Gumby: | not for / but for /var/www/html |
| [07:51:00] | xris: | yup. |
| [07:51:00] | xris: | I'll put something about that in the readme at some point. |
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| [07:52:00] | xris: | just make sure / is back to None (I'm a security nut for some stuff like this) |
| [07:52:00] | quitte: | hi. im wondering how pvr 150 is not supported. ivtv supports it. isnt that enough? |
| [07:52:00] | xris: | quitte: pvr-150 works fine |
| [07:53:00] | Gumby: | yep, already did. allthough I dont see mythweb stuff in there |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | Gumby? |
| [07:53:00] | quitte: | xris: yay. ill buy one then. a replacement with same chipset shoulddo the trick i guess? |
| [07:53:00] | Gumby: | xris: sorry, mythweather |
| [07:53:00] | jarango: | What tw-tunner TV card is best supported in Mythtv ? |
| [07:53:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | does anyone know if the pvr-350 can record on multiple inputs at the same time? |
| [07:53:00] | quitte: | 32¤ well spent :D |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | Gumby: in the code |
| [07:53:00] | fryfrog: | JoeyJoeJo: no cards can do that, afaik |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | modules/weather |
| [07:53:00] | fryfrog: | JoeyJoeJo: while it has different inputs, it only has one mpeg encoder |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | jarango: mythtv doesn't care. if it works in linux, it should work in mythtv. |
| [07:54:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | fryfrog: darn, that sucks. |
| [07:54:00] | xris: | as for the specific, that depends on what type of tv you want to receive. |
| [07:54:00] | fryfrog: | JoeyJoeJo: not really, if it could record from multiple inputs at the same time it'd be more expensive :) |
| [07:54:00] | xris: | JoeyJoeJo: only the pvr-500, and only because it's designed to have 2 inputs |
| [07:54:00] | RancidLM: | hey all.. my card has svideo input and composite input.. how do i switch to use them if i hook up a video game system into it? |
| [07:54:00] | quitte: | ugh :( not even dvb-s can be used to record multipleprograms on a stream at a time? |
| [07:54:00] | fryfrog: | You might consider looking at a pvr500 |
| [07:54:00] | xris: | quitte: still has to tune to a single channel to get the stream |
| [07:55:00] | fryfrog: | RancidLM: you don't wanna hook a game up to myth |
| [07:55:00] | fryfrog: | the delay makes it un-trivial to play |
| [07:55:00] | jarango: | xris: What card would you recommend than ? |
| [07:55:00] | quitte: | xris: and there is no code that knows for example that pro7 and sat1 are on the sae stream? |
| [07:55:00] | Gumby: | xris: and how does one use that module exactly?? I seem to have missed something |
| [07:55:00] | RancidLM: | fryfrog: i just wanna view my other inputs |
| [07:55:00] | xris: | quitte: not yet |
| [07:55:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, what library do I need so that I can compile DTS passthrough? |
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| [07:56:00] | quitte: | xris that sounds good. i hope it gets included soon |
| [07:56:00] | xris: | Gumby: if you have mythweather configured, it'll show up in mythweb... |
| [07:56:00] | k-man: | is there .debs of .19 yet? |
| [07:56:00] | fryfrog: | RancidLM: you can set new inputs up in Mythsetup i spose? |
| [07:56:00] | RancidLM: | fryfrog: but in mythtv front end how do i switch the inputs |
| [07:56:00] | quitte: | ill propably live togeher with a friend and two dvb-s cards |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | defaultro: heh, I'd be interested in that as well |
| [07:56:00] | xris: | you wanted to know about the database, and it's a fairly simple grep for "settings" in that code to see what it pulls |
| [07:56:00] | fryfrog: | put say channel 999 on a new listing, bind that to the "svideo" input and then turn to channel 999 |
| [07:56:00] | Gumby: | xris: lol, thats my problem. I cant get it configured in the first place. It doesnt seem to save any of the settings I give it. |
| [07:56:00] | RancidLM: | fryfrog: i used "c" but it does nothing |
| [07:56:00] | defaultro: | hey mchou |
| [07:56:00] | defaultro: | what's up? |
| [07:56:00] | Gumby: | xris: it says press "i" to save. So I do, but nothing gets saved. |
| [07:56:00] | fryfrog: | the Y key will switch between card? |
| [07:56:00] | mchou: | defaultro: not much |
| [07:56:00] | fryfrog: | RancidLM: if it isn't setup, what would it switch between? |
| [07:56:00] | jarango: | Is PVR-500 supported ? |
| [07:57:00] | xris: | jarango: yes |
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| [07:57:00] | defaultro: | it's the first time today i learned about mythtv having a limit of recordings in episodes :( |
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| [07:57:00] | defaultro: | mchou, it didn't record 24 today :( |
| [07:57:00] | fryfrog: | defaultro: huh? |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | defaultro: what ver kernel you using w/ fusionhd? |
| [07:57:00] | defaultro: | mchou, i fixed it |
| [07:57:00] | mchou: | defaultro: ouch! |
| [07:57:00] | quitte: | dvd playback is now in the basemythtv package it seems. should i use that or the dvd player from the plugins? |
| [07:57:00] | defaultro: | 2.6.15.1 |
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| [07:57:00] | mchou: | defaultro: you fixed what? |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | the episode limit |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | it doesn't have limit anymore |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | so it should record 24 next week :) |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | defaultro: you mean you upgraded to 0.19? |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | am upgrading now |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | but i have been using trunk |
| [07:58:00] | defaultro: | and I love it |
| [07:58:00] | mchou: | defaultro: haha!! |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | serves you right then :) |
| [07:59:00] | defaultro: | i'm currently compiling mythtv |
| [07:59:00] | quitte: | well i guess it doesnt support menu. so i leave it disabled |
| [07:59:00] | scott: | Anyone here regularly just set programs to auto flag commercials and then transcode afterwards? if so, how often do you run into problems where it doesn't flag correctly and you miss parts of shows or still have commercials? or does it usually vary from network to network depending on how clean their commercial segways are? |
| [07:59:00] | mchou: | defaultro: I'm not upgrading till the next OS distro release comes out. |
| [07:59:00] | defaultro: | mchou, i just hope that with this version, it will show all the channels be it from different tuner |
| [07:59:00] | sphery: | xris, did you find your screenshot prog? |
| [08:00:00] | defaultro: | mchou, am still on FC3 |
| [08:00:00] | defaultro: | about 3 weeks ago, I upgraded lirc, kernel and nvidia drivers |
| [08:00:00] | mchou: | defaultro: what do you mean? I though you set your own channel sources? |
| [08:00:00] | defaultro: | mchou, yes. What I mean is in LiveTV |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | bah. Who needs liveTV |
| [08:01:00] | defaultro: | mchou, coz currently, when i LiveTV, and assuming it chooses tuner1, it will only show channels for tuner1 |
| [08:01:00] | mchou: | defaultro: sometimes you really puzzle me :) |
| [08:01:00] | defaultro: | why? |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | Watching liveTV defats the whole purpose of myth :) |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | defeats* |
| [08:02:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [08:02:00] | quitte: | mchou: imagine soccer world championships and you hear the sounds outside 5 min before you know why |
| [08:02:00] | defaultro: | i seldome do LiveTV |
| [08:02:00] | defaultro: | seldom |
| [08:02:00] | rav3r: | funny how there is a "play dvd" option, but no "play audio cd" option... |
| [08:02:00] | xris: | sphery: didn't want a prog, just a keystroke. gave up on screenshots until I could get channel icons installed.... found an rpm mess when I tried to install xmltv |
| [08:02:00] | defaultro: | mchou, once every 2 weeks |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | quitte: then I tun on the TV w/o using myth, fool |
| [08:02:00] | mchou: | turn* |
| [08:02:00] | quitte: | mchou: i dont have a tv |
| [08:03:00] | mchou: | quitte: well, that's YOUR problem :) |
| [08:03:00] | defaultro: | mchou, next thing I will buy is a nice htpc case. Currently, the case ruins my home theater |
| [08:03:00] | defaultro: | prolly when i move to the new house |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | quitte: what about the rare instances when myth breaks down or your OS/HW breaks? :) |
| [08:04:00] | defaultro: | I'm thinking of D-vine Ahanix but the power supply is just 300watts, it's lame |
| [08:04:00] | quitte: | mchou: then i drink beer and fix it |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | quitte: redunancy is a good thing :) |
| [08:04:00] | quitte: | mchou: as in always have a bottle left? |
| [08:04:00] | mchou: | which is why I have TV and myth :) |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | as well as many kegs :) |
| [08:05:00] | quitte: | mchou: ypui hae only one power supply |
| [08:05:00] | quitte: | argh |
| [08:05:00] | mchou: | quitte: muhahaha |
| [08:05:00] | sphery: | xris: OK. Was going to suggest xwd (with "-frame" if you want decorations) for easy command-line access, but it requires using convert or something to go to PNG/JPEG. And, if the something you use to convert is GIMP, it's just as easy to use GIMP's File|Acquire|Screen Shot, but you probably know of both... |
| [08:05:00] | quitte: | mchou: you have only one power supply |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | my prior job was development of high availability clustering |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | of course I have redunant PSUs |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | and even sepaate electrical grids |
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| [08:06:00] | quitte: | ooh. nice. my server is running poormans usv – it'S a laptop |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | separate* |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | 99.999% uptinme :) |
| [08:07:00] | j-rod: | ah, clusters |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | uptime* |
| [08:07:00] | ** Gumby kicks mythweather in the junk ** | |
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| [08:07:00] | defaultro: | he kick me out? |
| [08:07:00] | defaultro: | who kick me out? |
| [08:07:00] | mchou: | defaultro: nobody kicked you out |
| [08:07:00] | defaultro: | anyways, i was compiling mythtv and this is what I saw when it was scrolling, http://pastebin.com/553980 |
| [08:08:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [08:08:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [08:08:00] | mchou: | most likely your inet is flakey |
| [08:08:00] | defaultro: | or i close the mythttv-users channel |
| [08:08:00] | defaultro: | it's still compiling though |
| [08:08:00] | defaultro: | is that WARNING critical guys? |
| [08:09:00] | quitte: | no. it is a warning |
| [08:09:00] | jarango: | Do Hauppague cards support both NTSC and PAL in the same card or is there a different model for each ? |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | quitte: right now my problem is too many small disks I need to consoldate.... |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | jarango: different models |
| [08:09:00] | jarango: | mchou: thnks |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | at least for the pvr-x50s |
| [08:09:00] | defaultro: | mchou, is promise card a good route for me to implement raid? |
| [08:09:00] | mchou: | defaultro: haha |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | stop joking around |
| [08:10:00] | jarango: | Are there any converters from PAL to NTSC ? |
| [08:10:00] | defaultro: | what's your recommendation |
| [08:10:00] | tfm: | defaultro: adaptec is acceptable ;) |
| [08:10:00] | quitte: | mchou: throw them away. hdds are cheap. and software raid is expensive in cpu power |
| [08:10:00] | mchou: | my recommendation is to use linux SW raid :) |
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| [08:10:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [08:10:00] | defaultro: | then just use the built in SATA controller? |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | defaultro: kernel raid is WAY better than promise raid. |
| [08:11:00] | tfm: | sw raid is cheap, but difficult in recovery |
| [08:11:00] | defaultro: | xris, ok |
| [08:11:00] | tfm: | hw raid is expensive, but easy in recovery |
| [08:11:00] | defaultro: | how many harddisk can we stack in SATA? |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | if you're using linux, 3ware is really your only reliable choice... lsi is decent, and adaptec is FINALLY providing some decent linux support, but it's lagging. |
| [08:11:00] | mchou: | hw raid is also BUGGY |
| [08:11:00] | xris: | defaultro: sata is one plug, one drive |
| [08:11:00] | quitte: | tfm: i dontsee how recovery with linux sw raid is difficult |
| [08:11:00] | defaultro: | ouch |
| [08:12:00] | tfm: | xris: adaptec has _good_ support, I'm using a 2400a now already for 5 years, excellent card |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | defaultro: my new mobo has like 6 onboard plugs. |
| [08:12:00] | defaultro: | badabing |
| [08:12:00] | tfm: | quitte: I know out of experience that software raid causes problems at multiple people, as /boot is typically not mirrored |
| [08:12:00] | defaultro: | so if we are going to use sw linux raid, what type of card do we need so we can have multiple HDDs? |
| [08:12:00] | xris: | tfm: must be on the small scale. we've only started carrying them recently, and they still haven't made it out of the testing phase... but adaptec is really pushing us to use their stuff. |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | tfm: how many times you write to /boot? |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | defaultro: standard sata card would be fine |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [08:13:00] | quitte: | defaultro: a controller for the hdds ;) |
| [08:13:00] | Gumby: | does anyone here use mythweather and is willing to show me the relevant info in their database for it so Ican figure out what to put into mine? I cant seem to get anything to save in the mythtv weather setup |
| [08:13:00] | tfm: | xris: depending on their controllers, their is support, as with every hw in linux |
| [08:13:00] | defaultro: | xris, how many can it accomodate? |
| [08:13:00] | tfm: | mchou: not a lot --> causing the problems after 2 years |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | defaultro: how many drives are you intending to plug in? |
| [08:13:00] | mchou: | tfm: back up your /boot on a usb stick :) |
| [08:13:00] | defaultro: | about 5 huge drives |
| [08:14:00] | quitte: | defaultro: no problem |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | defaultro: with raid5? then spend some money and get a nice 3ware card. |
| [08:14:00] | tfm: | blah, I would never advice linux sw raid to somebody, its just not acceptable |
| [08:14:00] | fryfrog: | defaultro: my mb has 8x sata plugs :) |
| [08:14:00] | tfm: | as long as linux LVM isn;t mature and doesn';t supprt raid1, go for hw raid |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | tfm: bullshit |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | tfm: raid1 is way better in kernel raid than hardware. |
| [08:14:00] | defaultro: | whew!! :D |
| [08:14:00] | fryfrog: | that is bs |
| [08:14:00] | fryfrog: | for sure :) |
| [08:14:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: what's bs? |
| [08:14:00] | fryfrog: | linux software raid is fine, but if you can spend the $$ on a good card hardware is better |
| [08:14:00] | ** xris really needs to remind the guys in proddev to do those raid1 benchmarks ** | |
| [08:15:00] | fryfrog: | linux software raid sucking :) |
| [08:15:00] | defaultro: | mchou, it's bull shit :D |
| [08:15:00] | tfm: | I never said it sucks |
| [08:15:00] | scott: | AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /home/mythtv/recorded/1062_20060213094034.nuv. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. --- I can't find this anywhere, it's not in mysql database |
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| [08:15:00] | tfm: | I only said it causes problems at the trime you most need it |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | scott: ignore it? |
| [08:15:00] | tfm: | recovery should be _trivial_ |
| [08:15:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: bullshit. HW is full of BUGS |
| [08:15:00] | Gumby: | scott: just create the file using touch, then it wil get removed |
| [08:15:00] | tfm: | there should be no need for 'special' procedures to recover --> rebuild /boot |
| [08:15:00] | scott: | good idea gumby :) |
| [08:15:00] | Gumby: | then the warning will go away |
| [08:16:00] | scott: | thanks |
| [08:16:00] | jarango: | I am looking into byuing a PAL/NTSC adapter. Does anyone have any experience with these ? |
| [08:16:00] | quitte: | tfm: there is no reason to not use sw raid1 on /boot |
| [08:16:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: and since there is no peer review of HW implementation, I'd much rather take my chances with linux SW raid |
| [08:16:00] | tfm: | jarango: a big group goes for PVR cards from hauppauge due to their easy use |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | tfm: you either do the rebuild in the hardware's bios, or in linux... the ease you have in using the raid bios is part of the cost of the card. |
| [08:16:00] | fryfrog: | tfm: what special procedure do you need? I have 2 entries in my grub.conf |
| [08:16:00] | tfm: | jarango: look mythtv wiki for supported cards |
| [08:16:00] | defaultro: | ok guys, I am to sleep now. I will continue my mythtv compile later. :D GOODNIGHT GUYS! TAKE IT EASY EVERYONE!!! |
| [08:17:00] | tfm: | fryfrog: after 2 years a /boot tends to be out of date --> then you need to recreate this |
| [08:17:00] | fryfrog: | huh? how is it out of date? |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | tfm: how can boot be out of date? |
| [08:17:00] | tfm: | xris: my point ;), but with hw raid, its all in the background, just replace a disk and reboot.... |
| [08:17:00] | mchou: | if it's out of date it wont boot :) |
| [08:17:00] | tfm: | mchou: linux sw raid doesn't mirror /boot |
| [08:17:00] | xris: | tfm: raid1 does |
| [08:17:00] | fryfrog: | tfm: sure it does |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | well, sorta |
| [08:18:00] | tfm: | it doesn't.... |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | it can't / doesn't boot from /dev/mdX |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | but it can boot from the partition that they use |
| [08:18:00] | fryfrog: | ie, /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| [08:18:00] | mchou: | tfm: that's what usb sticks are for |
| [08:19:00] | rav3r: | found the play audio cd option. it wasn't as intuitive as mythDVD |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | back up /boot on a usb stick |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | but sure, a *good* hardware raid card is better than software raid :) |
| [08:19:00] | tfm: | soit, not having this discussion, have fun wioth your own choice, and enjoy it ;) |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | software raid though is a *cheap* way to do raid |
| [08:19:00] | mchou: | fryfrog: it's also about 20x more expensive |
| [08:19:00] | tfm: | I'll keep on using my adaptec 2400a, supported since 5 years ;) |
| [08:19:00] | fryfrog: | anything times 0 is 0 :) |
| [08:19:00] | Gumby: | woulnd anyone here that uses mythweather be willing to run a few sql command for me? |
| [08:20:00] | fryfrog: | i'll use a 3ware card if you send it to me :) |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | tfm: haha, wait till your /boot goes corrupt |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | no raid will help that |
| [08:20:00] | tfm: | mchou: it can only happen in userspace |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | USB stick back-ups :) |
| [08:20:00] | mchou: | tfm: huh?? |
| [08:21:00] | tfm: | I've been using linux now for 11 years and I've never seen /boot getting corrupted |
| [08:21:00] | tfm: | except when we had ext2 bugs |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | '/boot can only go bad in userspace? |
| [08:21:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | he means like, users deleting shit |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | i don't keep my /boot mounted, so in theory it couldn't get corrupted from dirty reboots |
| [08:21:00] | tfm: | or processes accessing the files --> user space |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | but nothing stops users or what not from nuking it when its mounted :) |
| [08:22:00] | Gumby: | someone, anyone? can a guy get a little help with mythweather here? this is #mythtv-users and not #which-raid-is-better isnt it? |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | adaptec ide or scsi card? |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | 5 years, thats gotta be scsi and like 8–16G drives? |
| [08:22:00] | tfm: | ide |
| [08:22:00] | tfm: | 2400a |
| [08:22:00] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [08:22:00] | tfm: | that a 4port raid5 card |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | how much cache? |
| [08:23:00] | tfm: | I think I have 32MB |
| [08:23:00] | tfm: | sufficient for my needs |
| [08:23:00] | tfm: | but you can make it bigger |
| [08:23:00] | fryfrog: | i wanted one of those 8 port 3ware sata cards, but i was happier to have like 2 more drives and use software |
| [08:23:00] | fryfrog: | would still love to have one though :) |
| [08:24:00] | fryfrog: | maybe when we build my commune :) |
| [08:24:00] | tfm: | the memory does transaction recovery when comming back online after a crash, assuring the atomic writes |
| [08:24:00] | tfm: | gumby: what do you need ? |
| [08:25:00] | fryfrog: | battery backup? |
| [08:25:00] | Gumby: | tfm, some that runs mythweather to do a few sql queries as I cant seem to set mine up via mythtv frontend |
| [08:25:00] | tfm: | lets see |
| [08:25:00] | Gumby: | select data from settings where value = 'locale' and hostname = 'your_hostname' |
| [08:25:00] | tfm: | looking it up |
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| [08:26:00] | xris: | Gumby: value: locale, data: USWA0395, hostname: myth |
| [08:26:00] | mchou: | Gumby: stop bullshitting. You just too lazy to compile X, you gentoo luser |
| [08:26:00] | Gumby: | lol |
| [08:27:00] | quitte: | is there a plugin to import mp3 cds/dvds somewhere? |
| [08:27:00] | xris: | crap, I need to sleep |
| [08:27:00] | Gumby: | SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'WeatherAggressiveLvl' AND hostname = 'myth' |
| [08:27:00] | mchou: | yeah, it's called mythmusic |
| [08:27:00] | xris: | stupid slow mythbox |
| [08:28:00] | xris: | Gumby: 8 |
| [08:28:00] | quitte: | mchou: i have that – howcan i do it? |
| [08:28:00] | Gumby: | SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'SIUnits' AND hostname = 'myth' |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | mysql> SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'WeatherAggressiveLvl' AND hostname = 'pc'; |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | Empty set (0.00 sec) |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | mysql> |
| [08:28:00] | xris: | Gumby: NO |
| [08:28:00] | Gumby: | I thought hostname was myth? |
| [08:28:00] | mchou: | quitte: oh, you meant mp3 tracks on CDs. |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | mysql> SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'SIUnits' AND hostname = 'pc'; |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | +------+ |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | | data | |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | +------+ |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | | YES | |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | +------+ |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | 1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
| [08:28:00] | tfm: | mysql> |
| [08:28:00] | quitte: | mchou: yes |
| [08:29:00] | rav3r: | you guys rock, i'm off to bed |
| [08:29:00] | Gumby: | SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'WeatherTimeout' AND hostname = 'myth' |
| [08:29:00] | xris: | Gumby: no for US, yes for metric |
| [08:29:00] | rav3r: | thanks |
| [08:29:00] | tfm: | | locale | BEXX0005 | pc | |
| [08:29:00] | tfm: | | SIUnits | YES | pc | |
| [08:29:00] | Gumby: | this should gte me started. thx guys |
| [08:29:00] | mchou: | tfm: man use pastebin, will ya? |
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| [08:30:00] | tfm: | mchou ? |
| [08:30:00] | mchou: | tfm: read the topic |
| [08:31:00] | tfm: | why would I use that ;) |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | shit.... |
| [08:31:00] | mchou: | this HDCP crap is really tweaking on my chain |
| [08:32:00] | mchou: | cant believe ppl gonna pay for this junk |
| [08:33:00] | Juski: | mchou: maybe they won't |
| [08:34:00] | mchou: | I bet all the HW companies are salivating for MS Vista release so they can sell even more useless HW at even more outrageous prices |
| [08:34:00] | tfm: | I've seen these kind of encryptions comming and going, they all eventually get broken |
| [08:35:00] | Juski: | if it means, sometime down the line, that someone can't continue to use their plasma/lcd they bought before hdcp came out, maybe consumers will revolt |
| [08:35:00] | Juski: | tfm: yes, but now there's the DMCA |
| [08:35:00] | tfm: | juski: for us people |
| [08:35:00] | mchou: | Juski: shit, I'm revolting cause my vidcard wont support HDCP :) |
| [08:35:00] | tfm: | juski: here in europe that is _no_ problem |
| [08:35:00] | Juski: | (yet) |
| [08:36:00] | RancidLM: | off topic.. is sata2 backwords compatable? |
| [08:36:00] | tfm: | juski: I doubt it that such a stupid concept of law would make it in europe |
| [08:36:00] | Juski: | hdcp crap is on sale in europe, and it'll be crippled just the same |
| [08:36:00] | Juski: | RancidLM: you can indeed use SATA1 controllers with SATA2 devices, and vice versa |
| [08:37:00] | tfm: | juski: but we can reverse eng., its our right |
| [08:37:00] | tfm: | and copy etc.., we dunno software patents |
| [08:37:00] | Juski: | erm... so explain what happenned to DVD Jon |
| [08:37:00] | RancidLM: | Juski: thnx |
| [08:37:00] | Juski: | he got away with it, but not befor they hauled his ass off |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | Juski: what do you mean? Is DVD Jon in a gulag somewhere? |
| [08:38:00] | Juski: | they still took him to court didn't they? |
| [08:38:00] | xris: | Juski: and he won. every time |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | Juski: indeed. But he won, no? |
| [08:39:00] | Juski: | who'd of thought though.. "europe, the land of the free" lol |
| [08:39:00] | xris: | is norway europe? |
| [08:39:00] | tfm: | juski: that was a test trial for europe which he won |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | "winning in court" is of course an oxymoron in this case :) |
| [08:39:00] | mchou: | even if you win you lose |
| [08:39:00] | ** xris kicks his mythbox to make apt go faster ** | |
| [08:39:00] | Juski: | didn't they decide to change the law so it won't happen again though? |
| [08:40:00] | tfm: | juski: more specific, in scandenavian country's, its your right to reverse eng. |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | Juski: I think so. |
| [08:40:00] | Juski: | anyway, after yesterday I don't think it's a good idea I think too much about this stuff. it can get very disheartening |
| [08:40:00] | mchou: | Juski: what happened yesterday? |
| [08:41:00] | tfm: | and some months ago, the bill on software patents was rejected by the european parlement, so thats a good sign |
| [08:41:00] | Juski: | I thought a lot about this and how we consumers are being screwed over left, right & centre |
| [08:41:00] | mchou: | Juski: I dont think consumers are being screwed. |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | Juski: I just wont spend any money on crap |
| [08:42:00] | Juski: | I figure that if DRM becomes untenable or unavoidable, I'll just end up not watching TV |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | until the smoke clears |
| [08:42:00] | Juski: | hopefully a few million will think the same way (yeh right) |
| [08:42:00] | mchou: | Juski: yeah, that too |
| [08:43:00] | mchou: | Juski: I consider myself relatively savvy technically. But if I'm confused, so will Joe SixPack |
| [08:43:00] | mchou: | and confusion means ppl wont spend money :) |
| [08:43:00] | Juski: | true |
| [08:43:00] | xris: | mchou: unfortunately, in that case, confusion will mean that people will buy with ignorance. |
| [08:44:00] | mchou: | xris: naw, I give them more credit than that.... |
| [08:44:00] | mchou: | they will revolt when "What do you mean my plasma wont work??" |
| [08:44:00] | Juski: | what I'm most bothered about isn't that there's no open source solution to all this – it's mostly that very few companies stand to gain from it. |
| [08:44:00] | xris: | you seriously give them that much credit? the 40% who didn't vote, and the 51% of the others who voted for mr monkey face? |
| [08:45:00] | xris: | Juski: it's all about lobyists and misinformation |
| [08:45:00] | mchou: | xris: that's only in US where ppl are poorly edumacated :) |
| [08:45:00] | xris: | mchou: and that's where all of these copying laws are coming from |
| [08:45:00] | Juski: | mchou: we have plenty of unedumacted peeps here in Europe, believe me |
| [08:45:00] | mchou: | xris: and where right wingnuts and fundamentalists rule :) |
| [08:45:00] | ** xris doesn't want to live in jesusland ** | |
| [08:46:00] | Juski: | and it's not as if the USA isn't trying to extend the reach of its own laws to outside its boundaries, it it ;-) |
| [08:46:00] | mchou: | hehe, me neither :) |
| [08:46:00] | jarango: | I understand there are two debian package maintainer (marillat and some other). Is there any advantage of one over the other ? |
| [08:47:00] | xris: | hahaha. jesusland got an entry in wikipedia |
| [08:47:00] | mchou: | yesterday on NPR I cracked up laughing about how cell phone companies are going to develop smarter cell phones...... |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5201273 |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | well worth a listen. |
| [08:48:00] | mchou: | now the phones will know everything about you and your friends :) |
| [08:49:00] | mchou: | these guys dont see how ridiculous it's all become |
| [08:49:00] | mchou: | you need an "eWatch" to make your phone behave :) |
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| [08:49:00] | Juski: | lol... "The Republican-voting red states, in common with twenty two percent of all voters nationwide, tended to vote based more on what they referred to as moral values" |
| [08:50:00] | Juski: | I like the 'referred to as moral values' part |
| [08:50:00] | quitte: | jarango: there are hundreds. marillat does the the free stuff tha depends on technology illegal in some parts of the world and pckages depending on it |
| [08:51:00] | quitte: | jarango: libdvdcss and packages that use it basically |
| [08:51:00] | jarango: | quitte: The other deb packages don't have that ? |
| [08:51:00] | quitte: | jarango: no. some can use it anyways,though. such as xine |
| [08:52:00] | scott: | i'll educate you euros on some weapons of mass destruction in my pants |
| [08:52:00] | jarango: | quitte: what part of mythtv uses libdvdcss ? |
| [08:52:00] | quitte: | jarango: but they _must_ be buildable without libdvdcss to be part of debian |
| [08:52:00] | Juski: | I'm amazed there's not been a closed-source dvdcss released that we can pay our $1 for – another revenue stream for Dolby Labs & they're ignoring it |
| [08:52:00] | xris: | jarango: mythdvd |
| [08:52:00] | quitte: | jarango: dvd player, obviously |
| [08:52:00] | jarango: | quitte: but that uses mplayer or xine |
| [08:53:00] | quitte: | jarango: it's not part of debian. if you want to include it find a maintainer to sponsor you and read the new maintainer guide |
| [08:53:00] | Juski: | seems to play DVDs in Linux, one has no choice but to recourse to 'illegal' actions |
| [08:53:00] | tfm: | jarango: there is also an internal dvd player in mythtv |
| [08:53:00] | jarango: | quitte: Is there a difference with regards to stablity or features between these maintainers ? |
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| [08:53:00] | quitte: | Juski: even if you paid for libdvdcss it'd still allow copying dvds |
| [08:54:00] | Juski: | quitte: not even macrovision stops dvd copying (!) |
| [08:54:00] | quitte: | jarango: marillat is an official debian maintainer |
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| [08:54:00] | quitte: | Juski: but libdvdcss maes it trivial |
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| [08:55:00] | Juski: | not so much trivial, but _fast_ ;-) |
| [08:55:00] | tfm: | quitte: copying dvd's is not illegal, as long as its for personal use |
| [08:55:00] | xris: | Juski: it sure stopped me from WATCHING for a long time |
| [08:55:00] | tfm: | quitte: even more, its illegal to prevent a user from copying a dvd/cd for personal use, in europe |
| [08:55:00] | quitte: | tfm i never said it was |
| [08:55:00] | xris: | tfm: sure. but decrypting them to MAKE the copy *is* illegal |
| [08:55:00] | jarango: | Is there something like dvdshrink for Linux ? |
| [08:55:00] | tfm: | xris: in which counter ? |
| [08:55:00] | Juski: | tfm: depends where you live. we're not allowed to copy anything in the UK. technically everyone who owns an Ipod is breaking the law here |
| [08:55:00] | tfm: | s/counter/country ? |
| [08:56:00] | xris: | tfm: here in dmca-land |
| [08:56:00] | quitte: | tfm in germany it is illegal to break "working" copy protection |
| [08:56:00] | tfm: | juski: in .be, fully part of europe, its legal |
| [08:56:00] | quitte: | noone knows what that means,though |
| [08:56:00] | tfm: | juski: and its illegal to prevent a user from copying it, as he has the right to make a personal copy |
| [08:56:00] | Juski: | tfm: that hasn't been tested yet |
| [08:57:00] | Juski: | lots of european laws contradict UK law |
| [08:57:00] | Juski: | good isn't it? |
| [08:57:00] | tfm: | thats the definition of UK, always do the contrary |
| [08:57:00] | scott: | in my country it is illegal to use IRC |
| [08:57:00] | tfm: | ;) |
| [08:58:00] | quitte: | i wonder if always do the contrary has some nice anagrams |
| [08:58:00] | tfm: | soit, I like UK, often in London for work, nice place2v |
| [08:59:00] | Juski: | MPs pushed the ID cards bill through yesterday. God help us |
| [08:59:00] | tfm: | we have that already for 4y |
| [08:59:00] | Juski: | it'll protect us from illegal immigrants & terrorists, so it must be a good thing (sic) |
| [08:59:00] | mchou: | Nazis!! |
| [08:59:00] | Juski: | pity it's already been cracked & copied |
| [08:59:00] | tfm: | soit, back to work |
| [09:00:00] | quitte: | Juski: ill just xray mine |
| [09:00:00] | tfm: | djeez, since the release of 0.19 had a lot of downloads |
| [09:00:00] | mchou: | tfm: is there a counter? |
| [09:00:00] | tfm: | everybody is too lazy to compille ;) |
| [09:01:00] | Juski: | having one will be 'optional'... you'll have to apply for one when you renew your passport... so.. if you want to have a valid UK passport they'll be compulsory |
| [09:01:00] | tfm: | mchou: in my website there is ;) |
| [09:01:00] | mchou: | Juski: lol. What a joke |
| [09:01:00] | tfm: | I have weekly stable CVS snapshot builds |
| [09:02:00] | mchou: | Juski: to travl outside the county you need identity papers :) |
| [09:02:00] | mchou: | travel* |
| [09:02:00] | mchou: | Juski: I thought that's what passports were for :) |
| [09:03:00] | mchou: | the logic is just so perverse |
| [09:03:00] | Juski: | it's still not immediately clear how it's going to protect us from foreign nationals coming here to blow us up and/or live here illegally, but it sounds good to me |
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| [09:04:00] | mchou: | Does this mean UK will revert to bland food? :) |
| [09:04:00] | Juski: | revert to? |
| [09:04:00] | mchou: | no more curry for you! |
| [09:04:00] | Juski: | ahahaha |
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| [09:05:00] | xris: | go back to the OLD imported spicy food: haggis. |
| [09:05:00] | Juski: | ugh! no! |
| [09:05:00] | mchou: | or blood sausauges....Yumm Yumm |
| [09:05:00] | xris: | see, and everyone I've talked to who's eaten it speaks highly of it. |
| [09:06:00] | Juski: | apart from me. I've eaten it once. That was enough to know never to try it again |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | xris: that's cause they try to foll ya in having some |
| [09:06:00] | mchou: | fool* |
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| [09:06:00] | xris: | mchou: but I never would, given that it's made from dead animals |
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| [09:06:00] | Gumby: | arghhhhhhhhh, I cant seem to get mythweather working |
| [09:06:00] | xris: | Gumby: you definitely have some weird problems. |
| [09:07:00] | Gumby: | this is my only problem left |
| [09:07:00] | xris: | have you tried running `mythfrontend -v all` and watching for errors when you save? |
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| [09:07:00] | Gumby: | nope, I'll try now though |
| [09:07:00] | Juski: | Gumby: you shouldn't be so surprised... mythweather is but a one-way configuration process... you can observe, but not control ;-) |
| [09:07:00] | mchou: | control is overrated |
| [09:07:00] | Juski: | it's an illusion, I think you'll find |
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| [09:08:00] | Juski: | it might just be me, but until I started using Linux I didn't pay much heed to conspiracy theories. |
| [09:08:00] | mchou: | hahah |
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| [09:09:00] | Juski: | question is: has it opened my eyes or just made me paranoid? :-P |
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| [09:10:00] | coffee88: | Just because yo're paranoid, doens't mean they're not out to get you... |
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| [09:12:00] | coffee88: | Groklaw helped open my eyes to some of the stuff that's going on in the big wide world.. |
| [09:12:00] | mchou: | hey! what's that black helicopter doing over your house? |
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| [09:12:00] | mchou: | I see two guys rapelling down the chopper...... |
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| [09:13:00] | mchou: | coffee88: nah, sco and MSFT are just stupid in this case |
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| [09:15:00] | coffee88: | mchou: Yeah, but it's a great site for hearing the history of a whole lot of MS actions, among others, not just the SCO case. |
| [09:16:00] | mchou: | coffee88: looks like IBM blew a gasket today, though :) |
| [09:16:00] | Juski: | those 'protected by the GPL 2.0' window stickers work wonders for keeping the MiB away :) |
| [09:16:00] | coffee88: | mchou: JUst catching up on that now. About time! |
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| [09:20:00] | coffee88: | mchou: Heheheheheheheheheeee.... |
| [09:22:00] | Juski: | time to go to work |
| [09:22:00] | Juski: | laters... |
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| [09:43:00] | possie: | hi |
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| [09:48:00] | Gumby: | anyone know of any 0.19 debian packages out there? |
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| [09:49:00] | stuarta: | coming soon (tm) |
| [09:51:00] | abcde: | I just upgraded to 0.19 and it works great, but when I change channel on first viewing of live tv my keys dont work. I tried pressing every key on my keyboard and nothing works, not even escape so I have to kill off the mythtv process. Is this a known bug? |
| [09:51:00] | Gumby: | looks like there is a ubuntu mirror that might work. |
| [09:51:00] | Gumby: | abcde: funny, I just had that exact same problem not 5 minutes ago |
| [09:51:00] | abcde: | Any luck fixing it? |
| [09:51:00] | stuarta: | try escape twice. |
| [09:52:00] | Gumby: | I havnt done anything to try yet |
| [09:52:00] | stuarta: | don't know if it will help |
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| [09:52:00] | abcde: | Nah stuarta ive beaten my keyboard plenty. :) This happens on both my linux frontend and mac one. :| |
| [09:52:00] | Gumby: | looks like those ubuntu packages worked flawlessly |
| [09:52:00] | abcde: | I'll try debugging. |
| [09:56:00] | possie: | hi, i keep getting "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [09:56:00] | possie: | " what might be wrong? |
| [09:57:00] | stuarta: | the channel you are asking in? (sounds like ssh) |
| [09:57:00] | stuarta: | but seriously, what gives this error? |
| [09:57:00] | possie: | stuarta, i get this message when i start the backend server (mythtv) |
| [09:57:00] | juski: | mysql.txt missing or not configured properly? |
| [09:58:00] | possie: | the credentials in mysql.txt are correct |
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| [09:59:00] | juski: | does the mythtv mysql user exist? |
| [09:59:00] | j-rod: | and are you possibly mixing and matching mysql versions? |
| [09:59:00] | possie: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg (then entering the correct passwd logs me in the mysql database) |
| [09:59:00] | possie: | and i can do 'show tables' as well |
| [10:00:00] | possie: | i'm using 4.0.24_Debian-10ubuntu2-log |
| [10:00:00] | juski: | only other thing I can think of is that you've a package missing |
| [10:01:00] | possie: | hmm okee |
| [10:01:00] | j-rod: | Did you build myth, or install from packages? |
| [10:01:00] | possie: | install from package |
| [10:02:00] | possie: | in ubuntu i just did, apt-get install mythtv |
| [10:03:00] | j-rod: | all from the same stability class, I presume? |
| [10:03:00] | juski: | I remember seeing an error like that the 1st time I installed myth on ubuntu |
| [10:03:00] | j-rod: | (similar issues have come up w/people mixing mysql4 and 5) |
| [10:03:00] | juski: | it was something I'd done wrong – then I found the guide at www.abarbaccia.com |
| [10:03:00] | possie: | yeah, i'm using breezy |
| [10:04:00] | possie: | juski, ah taht looks nice indeed :-0 |
| [10:05:00] | juski: | possie – follow that to the letter & you won't go far wrong ;-) |
| [10:06:00] | j-rod: | guides, schmides |
| [10:06:00] | juski: | their ivtv guide is good too |
| [10:06:00] | possie: | juski, roger that! :-) |
| [10:07:00] | juski: | j-rod: not everyone is omnipotent |
| [10:07:00] | j-rod: | :p |
| [10:07:00] | j-rod: | wish I had more time to spend on mine, though I did give it some love tonight... |
| [10:07:00] | abcde: | Gumby, does it happen often for you? |
| [10:07:00] | juski: | we mere mortals need a hand from time to time ;-) |
| [10:07:00] | Gumby: | abcde: it happened once and once only |
| [10:07:00] | abcde: | Oh. |
| [10:08:00] | Gumby: | I think something went wrong with the backend or something becuase I also started to have issues with mythweb |
| [10:08:00] | Gumby: | I restarted the backend and its fine now |
| [10:08:00] | abcde: | It happens anytime I change channel and nothing came up when running it from a terminal. |
| [10:09:00] | j-rod: | speaking of night, its past 2am here, and I can't let short-timers get the best of me... |
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| [10:11:00] | quitte: | which is better for mpeg acceleration? nvidia gforce2 or matrox g400? |
| [10:11:00] | j-rod: | 'which is better for running at Daytona, a Datsun or a Daihatsu?' :) |
| [10:12:00] | j-rod: | not many matrox users out there |
| [10:12:00] | j-rod: | probably the nvidia card |
| [10:12:00] | possie: | juski, i guess my problem is that i don't run it as the user mythtv |
| [10:12:00] | j-rod: | but even better, spend like $50 and get a GF4 or 5-class card |
| [10:12:00] | quitte: | otoh the g400 could be used for directfb. |
| [10:12:00] | dtm: | i have heard that g400 has better color correction |
| [10:13:00] | dtm: | at one point, people were buying those used instead of new cards |
| [10:13:00] | dtm: | for 2D output |
| [10:13:00] | dtm: | to tv |
| [10:13:00] | j-rod: | possie, of course if you try running as a different user than the one you have set up in mysql, it'll fail... Match what you're actually doing w/the mysql cli |
| [10:13:00] | dtm: | but take that with a grain of salt |
| [10:14:00] | quitte: | well – i like the idea and will get rid of that stupid xserver |
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| [10:16:00] | BA_Reboot: | how do i compile or can i compile mythtv for winblows? |
| [10:17:00] | directhex|work: | BA_Reboot, you don't |
| [10:17:00] | directhex|work: | BA_Reboot, do you want to watch stuff, or record stuff? |
| [10:17:00] | BA_Reboot: | both |
| [10:18:00] | directhex|work: | between zero and minus infinity billion percent chance of the latter |
| [10:18:00] | BA_Reboot: | and on windows i can only find powervcr, beyondtv and sagetv but they suck |
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| [10:19:00] | BA_Reboot: | i have a hauppage with hw mpeg encoder so |
| [10:19:00] | sandos: | there is winmyth as a frontend |
| [10:19:00] | quitte (n=quitte@217.190.90.220) Quit ("Changing server") | |
| [10:19:00] | sandos: | I dont think youll be able to ever run a backend on windows though? |
| [10:19:00] | BA_Reboot: | hmmzl |
| [10:19:00] | BA_Reboot: | :'( |
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| [10:20:00] | directhex|work: | you could always rewrite the windows kernel to support v4l and posix |
| [10:20:00] | directhex|work: | get to work |
| [10:20:00] | directhex|work: | you'll need a hex editor, of course, since it's closed-source |
| [10:20:00] | BA_Reboot: | ah only that hmm, that shouldn't be a problem :P |
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| [10:20:00] | BA_Reboot: | lemme get the source code |
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| [10:22:00] | directhex|work: | as a front-end, windows mostly sucks (but it *does* work. sometimes. slightly) |
| [10:22:00] | directhex|work: | as a back-end, it's a non-starter |
| [10:23:00] | BA_Reboot: | is there a guide how to do it, or else i have to program it myself |
| [10:24:00] | coffee88: | Errrr. This may have been sked before, but the solution is not on the gentoo forums.... The old 18 ebuild ran the backend as root, and the new one as mythtv... This seems to cause issues. Anything I need to know/do before upgrading? |
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| [10:25:00] | dtm: | BA_Reboot: you should google for it. |
| [10:25:00] | directhex|work: | if you want to use windows exclusively , then you can't use mythtv. rnd of story, really. look at gbpvr or mediaportal |
| [10:25:00] | dtm: | i read that someone started a .NET frontend |
| [10:25:00] | directhex|work: | or sage or beyondtv or mce or whatever |
| [10:25:00] | directhex|work: | the fact that they all suck should be ignored, for windows si teh ubarr0x0r!!1 |
| [10:26:00] | BA_Reboot: | sage blow, beyondtv blows and mce blows |
| [10:26:00] | BA_Reboot: | they don't find any channels |
| [10:26:00] | Merlin83b: | Install Linux, install Myth. Job done. |
| [10:26:00] | BA_Reboot: | and mce hasn't got the security i need |
| [10:26:00] | dtm: | BA_Reboot: well then you're obviously cool enough to be using linux. |
| [10:26:00] | dtm: | security?!!? |
| [10:26:00] | BA_Reboot: | yep |
| [10:26:00] | dtm: | Merlin83b: yeah i think this case is hereby closed ^_^ |
| [10:26:00] | Merlin83b: | Important on a PVR, security. |
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| [10:27:00] | dtm: | are we talking about security, or about s3cur1t33 |
| [10:27:00] | tweak_st: | they will steal teh moovies! |
| [10:27:00] | BA_Reboot: | i don't want anyone to steal mah porn kay! |
| [10:27:00] | Merlin83b: | Heh tweak_st . |
| [10:27:00] | BA_Reboot: | hahaahah |
| [10:27:00] | directhex|work: | .htaccess formythweb, ssh tunnels for 6543, sorted! |
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| [10:27:00] | BA_Reboot: | heheh, im off |
| [10:28:00] | quitte: | can the dvb-s mpeg2 decoder be used? |
| [10:28:00] | dtm: | BA_Reboot: quite |
| [10:29:00] | quitte: | if it was possible i'd definately use that with matrox and directfb |
| [10:30:00] | juski: | quitte: thopse things are only supported by VDR |
| [10:30:00] | juski: | mpeg2 decoders on DVB cards.. very old |
| [10:34:00] | quitte: | well – i still got one |
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| [10:48:00] | juski: | quitte: the bad news is, mythtv doesn't support DVB mpeg decoders for outputting video |
| [10:51:00] | quitte: | ok. i still kind ofthink that mythtv without xserver should save enough ram/cpu that g400 makes sense. |
| [10:51:00] | juski: | good luck |
| [10:52:00] | juski: | frambufferring will use more CPU if anything. Xv helps a lot |
| [10:52:00] | quitte: | mplayer is pretty fast with mga_vid |
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| [10:53:00] | quitte: | and that dvb not being able to decode is kind of good as i dont have to put itin the frontend box |
| [10:54:00] | quitte: | but i guess the tv watching part of mythtv cannot use it? |
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| [10:55:00] | juski: | quitte: if the card is going to live in the backend, the question of mythtv being able to use it for output is totally academic anyway |
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| [10:58:00] | quitte: | if it supported decompression i would have put it in the frontend box and used it for both front and back end |
| [10:59:00] | juski: | just splash out a little money & buy a nvidia card, use X & XvMC |
| [10:59:00] | quitte: | what is myth using to watch tv? |
| [10:59:00] | quitte: | juski: i have a nvidia card already |
| [10:59:00] | quitte: | as i said – with mplayer g400 is really fast |
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| [11:01:00] | juski: | quitte: myth can support using directfb |
| [11:02:00] | juski: | I'm sure it's mentioned in the FM |
| [11:04:00] | dtm: | quitte: it's highly optimized and well understood |
| [11:04:00] | dtm: | quitte: the g400 was of rare quality for its era |
| [11:04:00] | quitte: | sogoogling around it seems directfb provides mga_vid functionality |
| [11:04:00] | juski: | less so now since card manufacturers cleaned up their act |
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| [11:39:00] | Calroth: | Ah. |
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| [11:42:00] | possie: | anyone know if there are allready some 0.19 package for ubuntu? |
| [11:42:00] | juski: | possie – you could have compiled 0.19 by now |
| [11:43:00] | juski: | http://deb.thehunter.ws/dists/breezy/mythtv-stable/ |
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| [11:46:00] | [Elvis]: | hello guys, do you know any cards which have hardware mpeg2 out? |
| [11:47:00] | possie: | juski, hehe |
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| [11:47:00] | [Elvis]: | juski I got it too work btw :) |
| [11:47:00] | [Elvis]: | a bit at least |
| [11:48:00] | directhex|work: | [Elvis], hauppauge pvr350 has hardware mpeg2 deocding. and most modern graphics chips have a lot of cpu offloading for mpeg, from via unichrome upwards |
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| [11:50:00] | Melrin83b: | erm... |
| [11:50:00] | juski: | [Elvis] what happened to Jasper? ;-) |
| [11:50:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm good question |
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| [11:50:00] | Jasper: | 8) |
| [11:50:00] | juski: | heh |
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| [11:51:00] | juski: | so Jasper – was it reversed fields? |
| [11:51:00] | Jasper: | juski tuning the bitrate from 4000000 to 9600000 appears to have helped a bit |
| [11:51:00] | Jasper: | didn't try that yet |
| [11:51:00] | Jasper: | since I have to figure out first what reversed fields are |
| [11:51:00] | Jasper: | ::P |
| [11:51:00] | juski: | it'll help everything but your disk usage ;-) |
| [11:51:00] | juski: | Jasper: let the ivtv guys figure that out |
| [11:52:00] | juski: | I thought I'd managed to explain what I meant yesterday |
| [11:52:00] | Jasper: | I thought you meant interlaced |
| [11:52:00] | juski: | yes... |
| [11:52:00] | Jasper: | interlaced = reversed fields? |
| [11:52:00] | juski: | that's what interlacing is – splitting one frame of video into 2 fields |
| [11:53:00] | Jasper: | so I should ask them if there's a problem with their interlacing in the drivers? |
| [11:53:00] | juski: | each field contains either odd numbered lines or even numbered lines |
| [11:53:00] | ** directhex|work stabs interlaced video with a spear ** | |
| [11:53:00] | juski: | Jasper: post your clip & show them that |
| [11:53:00] | juski: | they'll know |
| [11:54:00] | Jasper: | ok, gonna look for a place to post it :P |
| [11:54:00] | Jasper: | mailing list prolly |
| [11:54:00] | Jasper: | should I post it to the devel or user base? |
| [11:55:00] | sndguru: | any ideas on Mythtv playback were only half the screen appears which is stretched lentgh ways BUT the black bars are still correct – I've install new drivers for my video card which has stuff it up, anyone know where or what I need to change |
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| [11:55:00] | sndguru: | and I've changed the on screen res in the playback menu |
| [11:56:00] | sndguru: | does the same for livetv |
| [11:56:00] | sndguru: | hrmm I havn't tried mplayer yet |
| [11:58:00] | coffee88: | sndguru: Tried overiding the aspect ratio? |
| [11:59:00] | sndguru: | mplayers the same |
| [11:59:00] | sndguru: | in setup |
| [11:59:00] | sndguru: | yes |
| [12:00:00] | Jasper: | hmm juski I made a new capture mpeg ... are you still able to watch those? |
| [12:00:00] | sndguru: | it was fine til the radeon drivers |
| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | juski the higher bitrate made http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/blaat.mpg |
| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | juski the higher bitrate made http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/blaat.mpeg |
| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | nog mpg |
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| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | it's the first link |
| [12:02:00] | Jasper: | sorry about 2nd |
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| [12:20:00] | juski: | Jasper : can't look at mpeg2 at work, sorry |
| [12:21:00] | Jasper: | ah k |
| [12:21:00] | Jasper: | I posted to the userlist |
| [12:21:00] | Jasper: | so it's just waiting for a reaction and in the mean time emerge -u world |
| [12:21:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:22:00] | ** Merlin83b wills his new case to arrive. ** | |
| [12:22:00] | Merlin83b: | I want to build the final version of my myth box. |
| [12:23:00] | Jasper: | what kinda case you getting? |
| [12:23:00] | sndguru: | hrmm – my shuttle case arrived last week. It's so good |
| [12:23:00] | Jasper: | I still need to find me a s-video to tuner converter :p |
| [12:23:00] | juski: | shuttle cases are okay apart from the front (!) SPDIFs |
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| [12:24:00] | sndguru: | :) or a vga to tuner |
| [12:24:00] | Merlin83b: | A Tranquil T2e, Jasper |
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| [12:24:00] | sndguru: | no need for video card drivers nice |
| [12:24:00] | sndguru: | yep optic in/out |
| [12:25:00] | juski: | front SPDIF though.. ugh! |
| [12:25:00] | sndguru: | nope, mine are on the back |
| [12:25:00] | juski: | good for you ;-) |
| [12:25:00] | directhex|work: | depends on the chassis version |
| [12:26:00] | sndguru: | on the front is only – dvd drive, card reader (yet to get working) mic headphone, 2xusb's and a firerwire |
| [12:26:00] | Jasper: | anyone here know if there are things like s-video to tuner cable converters ? |
| [12:26:00] | sndguru: | new tv |
| [12:26:00] | directhex|work: | sounds like a G4 chassis |
| [12:26:00] | sndguru: | silver case |
| [12:27:00] | directhex|work: | g5, even |
| [12:28:00] | sndguru: | yep I'm happy, means the backends away from my bedroom, bye bye fan/hdd noise |
| [12:28:00] | directhex|work: | don't think any current models have front spdif |
| [12:28:00] | directhex|work: | the G chassis used to |
| [12:29:00] | juski: | Jasper: they're called RF modulators |
| [12:30:00] | juski: | you _do_ know you can buy a bracket to provide the other inputs for the PVR500 card don't you? |
| [12:30:00] | Jasper: | juski ? you can? |
| [12:30:00] | juski: | to give you 2 svideo, 2 composite & 2 stereo audio inputs :-) |
| [12:30:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [12:30:00] | Jasper: | but I want to convert s-video out to tuner |
| [12:30:00] | juski: | ahh |
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| [12:30:00] | juski: | ugh |
| [12:31:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:31:00] | Jasper: | why ugh? |
| [12:31:00] | directhex|work: | because it'll look like something a cat did |
| [12:31:00] | Jasper: | I don't wanna be pulling any more cables through the walls then there allready are |
| [12:31:00] | juski: | mono sound, inferior to svideo in so many ways |
| [12:31:00] | directhex|work: | RF is about the lowest quality video signal you can get |
| [12:31:00] | directhex|work: | other than video-over-tincansandstring |
| [12:31:00] | directhex|work: | and even then, there's not much in it |
| [12:31:00] | ** juski does video & audio over cat5 :-P ** | |
| [12:31:00] | sndguru: | :P |
| [12:32:00] | Jasper: | I don't want to put the frontend next to my tv.. |
| [12:32:00] | Jasper: | so I figured I could send it over the existing coax cable.. |
| [12:32:00] | juski: | you can buy nice long svideo cables |
| [12:33:00] | Jasper: | I mean..the initial tv-signal comes over that cable.....so it can't be worse then it allready is right over coax? |
| [12:33:00] | Merlin83b: | Why not put the frontend there? Don't you want to point the controller at it and have it do things? |
| [12:33:00] | Jasper: | now it gets complicated |
| [12:33:00] | juski: | to have a frontend in another room you'll need an RF remote |
| [12:33:00] | Jasper: | I wanted to put a ir-over-coax box there |
| [12:33:00] | Jasper: | at the same cable |
| [12:33:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:33:00] | juski: | or you could do that |
| [12:34:00] | ** directhex|work senses a disturbance in the force ** | |
| [12:34:00] | Jasper: | this is the only option how I can put the frontend like a mile away |
| [12:34:00] | but4bi: | hehe |
| [12:34:00] | Jasper: | and still control it.. |
| [12:34:00] | Jasper: | withouth having to change the cables in the walls |
| [12:34:00] | Jasper: | is it really such a bad idea ? |
| [12:34:00] | ** juski digs into walls & floors at home with impunity ** | |
| [12:35:00] | directhex|work: | Jasper, the video & audio quality you'd get by adding an RF modulation/demodulation step would be painful |
| [12:35:00] | directhex|work: | think of a home-recorded VHS tape, once the tape's been well-used |
| [12:35:00] | sndguru: | :P what about a 10mbit coax network |
| [12:35:00] | juski: | directhex|work: it's not that bad if you buy a decent modulator |
| [12:36:00] | juski: | having onlt mono audio would bother me though |
| [12:36:00] | directhex|work: | juski, it's pretty shit. but i've got a frontend next to my tv, hooked up via VGA |
| [12:36:00] | directhex|work: | and i've played enough games consoles through really bad connections to get an appreciation for good signals |
| [12:37:00] | Jasper: | but juski I have analog television input? |
| [12:37:00] | juski: | yeh but console modulators are pretty shitty |
| [12:37:00] | Jasper: | so that's mono anyways? |
| [12:37:00] | juski: | Jasper: mostly |
| [12:38:00] | Jasper: | I just figured...without mythtv is comes over the same cable...so with mythtv in between it can't be much worse..if it goes over the same cable.. |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | for that to work, there's got to be free frequency space on the cable |
| [12:39:00] | Jasper: | how do you mean? |
| [12:40:00] | juski: | I mean – you'd have to tune the output of the RF modulator to a frequency that doesn't already have a TV channel on it |
| [12:40:00] | Jasper: | why? I mean the tv won't have any channels on the cable any more EXCEPT mythtv |
| [12:40:00] | juski: | and also one that isn't so close to an existing channel that it causes interference |
| [12:41:00] | Jasper: | I don't want to combine mythtv in a channel |
| [12:41:00] | juski: | ah oh well |
| [12:41:00] | juski: | ROFL.. mobile phone TV will need a licence... ha-ha! |
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| [12:43:00] | directhex|work: | which is odd, since battery-powered portable tv's don't |
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| [12:44:00] | juski: | bugger – they won't need an additional licence if they've already got one. bah |
| [12:44:00] | Jasper: | calling local electronic shop if they even sell those devices 80 |
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| [12:47:00] | Jasper: | hmm...so how can I get a s-video cable through a wall... |
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| [12:48:00] | juski: | get a drill..... |
| [12:49:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [12:49:00] | Jasper: | it's like 20 meters of wall |
| [12:49:00] | Rule: | hello folks |
| [12:49:00] | juski: | 20 metres thick? where the hell do you live? in the vaults of a bank?! |
| [12:49:00] | Spida: | juski: *g* |
| [12:49:00] | Rule: | a bank isnt 20 meters thick :) |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | no it has to go from the living room to another room |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | through the walls |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:50:00] | juski: | if it's a stud partition you don't even need a drill |
| [12:50:00] | Rule: | so drill multiple times :) |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | don't need to drill.. |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | all the holes are allready there.. |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | it's just that I don't think I can get a s-video connecter through them |
| [12:50:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:51:00] | Rule: | oic... solder :) |
| [12:51:00] | juski: | widen the holes, dummass |
| [12:51:00] | Jasper: | it's no good to widen them since there are pipes behind them with the same width.. |
| [12:51:00] | Jasper: | all the pipes got installed on building the house.. |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | really? what will they think of next |
| [12:52:00] | juski: | can you go under the floor? that's usually the shortest route |
| [12:53:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [12:53:00] | juski: | sometimes a good way to go between rooms too without drilling into walls.. esp. if it's a simple partition.. the floorspace can be continuous |
| [12:54:00] | coffee88: | How about a wireless video sender? |
| [12:55:00] | fryfrog: | you could go for the, cable all over the house method? |
| [12:55:00] | juski: | fucking hell no. wireless senders are crap |
| [12:55:00] | coffee88: | but easier than drilling? |
| [12:55:00] | Jasper: | juski I just found a site saying hf converters can deliver stereo sound |
| [12:55:00] | juski: | like your TV with wiggly lines? get a wireless sender :-P |
| [12:55:00] | dtm: | wifi bridge with optional directional antennas |
| [12:55:00] | juski: | Jasper: depends where you live & what TV system you use |
| [12:55:00] | fryfrog: | heck yeah, wiggly lines rule! |
| [12:56:00] | Jasper: | netherlands :P |
| [12:56:00] | Jasper: | PAL |
| [12:56:00] | dtm: | i'm tired of my old wiggly lines from analog cable. i want some newer, fresher wiggly lines. |
| [12:56:00] | juski: | netherlans use NICAM stereo don't you? it's slightly tricky modulating nicam stereo |
| [12:57:00] | Rule: | mythfrontend ... cat5 and be done with it ;) |
| [12:57:00] | Spida: | Rule: ack. |
| [12:57:00] | juski: | Jasper: you can buy (or make) little boxes to take svideo & audio that put all the signals on one cat5 cable |
| [12:57:00] | juski: | then you just have one cable to run for everything |
| [12:57:00] | Rule: | been thinking about adding another... there is something tempting about the MediaMVP from hauppauge... tell me Im wrong |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | yeah but what to do with cat5? |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | I can't insert that in my pc |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | tv |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | Jasper: cat5 is what 6mm diameter – easy to route |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | you missed my point – you can buy or make video & audio to cat5 converters |
| [12:58:00] | Jasper: | hmm ok but then you also have to convert it back right? |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | I've got a cable box downstairs plugged into my backend machine upstairs |
| [12:59:00] | Spida: | Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 26' <- whats this? |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | audio & svideo go over one cat5 cable |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | Spida: conflicting versions going on there |
| [12:59:00] | Spida: | juski: between what parts of software? |
| [13:00:00] | directhex|work: | Spida, smells like your backend & frontend have different versions of mythtv |
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| [13:00:00] | quitte: | Jasper: no vonversion to the signal is done. just different plugs and cables |
| [13:00:00] | juski: | Spida: either between mythbackend & mythfrontend, or between mythbackend & mythweb |
| [13:00:00] | Spida: | no, both are 0.19 |
| [13:00:00] | Rule: | also check if you have multiple backends that they are the same ver. :) |
| [13:00:00] | juski: | quitte: some conversion is done. it's crappy if you dont convert the signals to differential & back |
| [13:01:00] | Rule: | and that you actually stopped the processes before upgrading :) |
| [13:01:00] | directhex|work: | or restarted them afterwards |
| [13:01:00] | Spida: | just one backend on the same machine |
| [13:01:00] | Rule: | well yeah |
| [13:01:00] | quitte: | juski: ok.already wondered how that could be good |
| [13:01:00] | Spida: | do I need to convert the db of the backend? |
| [13:02:00] | Rule: | anyone here familiar with linuxDVB api ? :) |
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| [13:02:00] | fryfrog: | if you updated, you may just need to restart the backend |
| [13:02:00] | directhex|work: | reb00t! |
| [13:02:00] | juski: | quitte: it's very good quality, the system I built |
| [13:02:00] | juski: | works over 300m of cable without degradation, though I only have it going thru about 30m cable |
| [13:03:00] | quitte: | juski: wow. url? |
| [13:03:00] | Jasper: | hmm juski it appears some rf converters take cat5 too http://www.elekhomica.nl/images/EH-VLEU-2.gif |
| [13:03:00] | Rule: | anyone used a system like mediaMVP as frontend ? |
| [13:03:00] | Spida: | fryfrog: did that, more than once |
| [13:03:00] | Spida: | directhex|work: did that |
| [13:03:00] | D-side: | i bought one and tried it. |
| [13:03:00] | D-side: | I was none too impressed |
| [13:03:00] | Rule: | and ? |
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| [13:04:00] | Rule: | hmm why |
| [13:04:00] | Jasper: | d-side bought what |
| [13:04:00] | juski: | quitte: all in good time. I'm gonna sell plans for it ;-) |
| [13:05:00] | Rule: | D-side: what was the problem ? |
| [13:05:00] | juski: | they'll only be like $2 or so a pop though |
| [13:05:00] | quitte: | juski: ok. will take some time until i put mythtv to my friends box thats some metres away from the tv. |
| [13:05:00] | juski: | or I might just give em away |
| [13:05:00] | D-side: | Rule: the interface was clunky. it may be better now |
| [13:05:00] | D-side: | juski: ooh, what are you giving away again? |
| [13:05:00] | juski: | nothing yet |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | I gave 2 themes away & all I got was people whining ;-) |
| [13:06:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [13:06:00] | D-side: | heh |
| [13:06:00] | Rule: | themes ? |
| [13:06:00] | D-side: | this is why i say, by and large people can go F themselves. :) |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | Rule: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem |
| [13:07:00] | directhex|work: | your themes suck, and you're a bad person for making them |
| [13:08:00] | juski: | yuck foo, ass-hat :-P |
| [13:08:00] | Rule: | :-p |
| [13:08:00] | juski: | oops did I say that out loud? |
| [13:08:00] | DarkBeer: | my 4 year old makes better themes ;) |
| [13:09:00] | directhex|work: | i say we tar & feather juski for ProjectGrayhem |
| [13:09:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [13:09:00] | DarkBeer: | nah, that'd be a waste of good tar and feathers |
| [13:10:00] | D-side: | wow. |
| [13:10:00] | directhex|work: | cover him in chicken grease, then |
| [13:10:00] | juski: | ooo, you kinky sod |
| [13:10:00] | Spida: | hm# |
| [13:10:00] | DarkBeer: | time to go to work. happy valentine's day juski :) |
| [13:10:00] | juski: | if that's the treatment I get.. more themes coming up! ;-) |
| [13:11:00] | directhex|work: | i demand themes with more boobs! |
| [13:11:00] | stuarta: | you just like the thought of chicken fat! |
| [13:11:00] | juski: | or goose-grease... whatever |
| [13:11:00] | stuarta: | combine with a hill and a large sheet of plastic... |
| [13:11:00] | Spida: | I have a mythtv-0.19, with a mysql that I fed with the db of a mythtv-0.18.1, and I can't do anything. there are no listings, no recordings, no livetv, no music (segfaults when I try) no pictures in the gallery |
| [13:11:00] | directhex|work: | ghostly pig grease! |
| [13:11:00] | Spida: | only mythinfo and mythbrowser work |
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| [13:12:00] | Spida: | the webfrontend doesn't work (wrong verison as I told above) |
| [13:12:00] | Spida: | so. I don't believe mythtv-tests are THAT crappy, so, what did I do wrong? |
| [13:13:00] | juski: | Spida... oh |
| [13:13:00] | juski: | you spat a backup of a 0.18 DB into 0.19 without letting it do the schema update? |
| [13:14:00] | Spida: | I put the db there before I started 0.19 for the first time |
| [13:14:00] | juski: | hmmm.. it _should_ have upgraded the DB schema |
| [13:15:00] | Spida: | I thought the schema would have been updated on first start of the backend |
| [13:15:00] | juski: | I think that's where the problem will lie |
| [13:15:00] | Spida: | how can I check? |
| [13:15:00] | juski: | look for myth_proto_version or whatever in the settings table |
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| [13:19:00] | Spida: | DBSchemaVer is 1123 |
| [13:20:00] | stuarta: | that sounds about right. |
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| [13:21:00] | Jasper: | damn |
| [13:21:00] | Jasper: | no-one here sells a freaking rf modulator |
| [13:21:00] | Jasper: | .. |
| [13:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [13:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | What are you looking to do with one ? |
| [13:25:00] | Spida: | ah |
| [13:25:00] | Spida: | got it |
| [13:25:00] | Spida: | the hostname of the backend changed... |
| [13:25:00] | Spida: | so I got 2 sets of settings, one with meaningfull entries |
| [13:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | shutdown mythbackend, change the hostname back ? |
| [13:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or shutdown the backend, enter mysql and change the host in the settings table from oldname to newname |
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| [13:28:00] | Jasper: | juski.,..I found a hf modulator with build in ir over coax |
| [13:28:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [13:28:00] | Jasper: | sweet |
| [13:29:00] | Spida: | GreyFoxx: yeah, took the second choice |
| [13:34:00] | quitte: | qt3-emb just finished :) |
| [13:34:00] | quitte: | i bet it has no sql support |
| [13:34:00] | Spida: | *g* |
| [13:34:00] | Spida: | ok, I got pictures in my gallery |
| [13:35:00] | Dibblah_: | Ehem... -Users is over here ;) |
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| [13:36:00] | Spida: | hm |
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| [13:43:00] | Jasper: | juski can you describe to me what I need to put it over cat5? |
| [13:44:00] | juski: | Jasper: you can buy ready made things to do it.. |
| [13:44:00] | juski: | keene electronics make them |
| [13:44:00] | juski: | or www.kat5.tv |
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| [13:47:00] | Jasper: | hmm juski that's expensive :P |
| [13:48:00] | juski: | it's either that or get an RF modulator shipped to you |
| [13:48:00] | juski: | or put the frontend next to the TV |
| [13:48:00] | Jasper: | did you buy them or made them yourself? |
| [13:49:00] | juski: | made them myself.. not a noob task ;-) |
| [13:49:00] | juski: | www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5_1.png |
| [13:50:00] | Merlin83b: | Are there electronics in that there box or just connections from scart to cat 5? |
| [13:50:00] | juski: | electronics |
| [13:50:00] | Merlin83b: | ISTR you had shenanigans going on. |
| [13:50:00] | juski: | pretty easy elesctonics |
| [13:51:00] | Jasper: | what price range are you talking about then juski? |
| [13:51:00] | Jasper: | to build a transceiver and transmitter |
| [13:51:00] | juski: | hahah. I'm not making them – the price of the kat5.tv ones are about right if I was to under-price my labour |
| [13:51:00] | Jasper: | no I mean |
| [13:51:00] | Jasper: | to build them with compontent |
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| [13:51:00] | fir3st0rm: | hi |
| [13:52:00] | Jasper: | price of the components |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | erm... about £30 for the pair |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | if that |
| [13:52:00] | Jasper: | that's a lot better then 170 |
| [13:52:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | if you can solder & build from schematics.. easy |
| [13:53:00] | Jasper: | yeah I can |
| [13:53:00] | Jasper: | but where did you find the schematics? |
| [13:53:00] | fir3st0rm: | after upgrading to mythtv 0.19 news are shown as 'recorded' in mythweb. how can i disable this behaviour? |
| [13:54:00] | juski: | I extrapolated some |
| [13:54:00] | Merlin83b: | Extrapolated? |
| [13:55:00] | juski: | took something I found on the net & used it as a basis for the finished thing |
| [13:56:00] | juski: | www.edn.com/archives/1995/081795/graphs/17di3fg1.htm |
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| [13:57:00] | Kyler: | Anyone have good video settings for the 0.6 ivtv driver? I'm using 130 brightness and 90 contrast because it was way too dark but now it's sometimes to bright (washed out). |
| [13:57:00] | juski: | there's an ivtv 0.6? wow |
| [13:57:00] | Jasper: | there isn't? |
| [13:58:00] | Jasper: | 0.4.2 or something was latest? |
| [13:58:00] | Jasper: | stable atleast |
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| [14:00:00] | Kelerion: | 0.4.2 is latest stable – 0.5 is svn |
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| [14:03:00] | kahuna_: | Good morning |
| [14:03:00] | kahuna_: | Or whatever it is – wherever you are... |
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| [14:04:00] | juski: | when I'm done migrating my backend & stuff I'll put a webpage together for a vid over cat5 howto, k? |
| [14:04:00] | Jasper: | would be nice |
| [14:05:00] | laga: | re |
| [14:05:00] | juski: | wb laga |
| [14:05:00] | kahuna_: | juski and laga are fixtures here in this channel :) |
| [14:05:00] | kahuna_: | Whenever I pop in you guys are here... |
| [14:05:00] | ** juski will not be in here tonight ** | |
| [14:06:00] | Jasper: | I wish I never started emerge -u world ... |
| [14:06:00] | laga: | kahuna_: we just lack social life. |
| [14:06:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [14:06:00] | juski: | stop the (emerge) world.. you want to get off ? ;-) |
| [14:06:00] | kahuna_: | yah, but at least you have plenty of TV |
| [14:06:00] | coffee88: | Noooo! Don't do the -u! :-) |
| [14:06:00] | juski: | emerge.. bah insert ubuntu CD |
| [14:06:00] | laga: | kahuna_: right. ;) |
| [14:07:00] | Jasper: | what do you mean juski? |
| [14:07:00] | D-side: | he's just hating on gentoo is all. :) |
| [14:07:00] | juski: | Jasper. on sunday I had to spend a couple of hours fixing something unconnected to mjpegtools when I upgraded mjpegtools with -u |
| [14:07:00] | Jasper: | it's only 50 packages which have to be updated.. |
| [14:08:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:08:00] | kahuna_: | you guys were right about xvmc. I went home, tried it, and it studdered like hell. Works Ok without opengl vsync. |
| [14:08:00] | Jasper: | well juski I'm new too gentoo ... so I had to try it.. |
| [14:08:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:08:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: 50? I had 128 last night and said screw it. |
| [14:08:00] | juski: | I've had it – I just want to install it & leave it running – none of this hugging it, upgrading it etc |
| [14:08:00] | Jasper: | kahuna_ I run a pentium 3... my 50 packages is prolly like your 500 packages.. |
| [14:09:00] | kahuna_: | lol |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | was my own stupid fault for not upgrading anything for like 12 months then doing a -u |
| [14:09:00] | Jasper: | after 4 hours it's done 22 packages |
| [14:09:00] | Spida: | ok, mythweb works now, mythgallery, too |
| [14:09:00] | Spida: | mythmusic has songs |
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| [14:09:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: That include gcc yet, or is that still to go?! |
| [14:09:00] | Jasper: | I think that's doing it right now |
| [14:09:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:10:00] | Jasper: | gcc-3.4.4.1 |
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| [14:10:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:10:00] | Yellow-Snow: | sup all |
| [14:10:00] | coffee88: | You'll be saying the same thing 3 hours from now... |
| [14:11:00] | Jasper: | prolly, but I will have a uptodate system then |
| [14:11:00] | Jasper: | with the new mythtv :P |
| [14:11:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey if i installed my sistem into my dresser.. wouldn't that almost make it silent? |
| [14:11:00] | coffee88: | You could have just updated mythtv though! |
| [14:11:00] | Jasper: | yeah could have.. |
| [14:11:00] | Jasper: | but this is more fun :P |
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| [14:12:00] | Jasper: | I think I'm gonna let it emerge -u world every night from now on |
| [14:12:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [14:12:00] | coffee88: | Another person who finds complie messages relaxing. Good to know I'm not alone.... |
| [14:12:00] | kahuna_: | Yellow-Snow: it would be very silent after a couple of days in there packed with clothes |
| [14:12:00] | Yellow-Snow: | lol |
| [14:12:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:12:00] | Yellow-Snow: | u forgot dirty* |
| [14:12:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: I wouldn't do that personally. I like to see if there are any blockers. |
| [14:13:00] | Jasper: | what do you mean? |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | if you do it regularly you've got nothing to worry about, but 42 packages updating, and sweeping changes in some of them... it's like "eeeeeeeeeeeek" |
| [14:13:00] | kahuna_: | Some new packages can conflict (block) newer packeages. |
| [14:13:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [14:13:00] | Jasper: | can't you overforce that or something? |
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| [14:14:00] | kahuna_: | If you run it automatically, you don't get to see the blockers and might never get an important update. |
| [14:14:00] | coffee88: | I never bother updating for minor version bumps though... |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | when I upgraded apache on my old spare box, it took me a couple of hours in #gentoo to sort it out.. turned out I didn't have enough entropy for php4 to work :-/ |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | i.e. my random number generator wasn't random enough |
| [14:14:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: I dont think so. a blocking condition happens when portage is not smart enough to do it on it's own and requires human intervention. |
| [14:15:00] | coffee88: | I think I was reading that log today for some random reason. It was a headless box, huh? |
| [14:15:00] | juski: | it was at that point I realised I'm not the kind of person who's suited to using gentoo |
| [14:15:00] | kahuna_: | It happens more often than you might think too. |
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| [14:15:00] | Jasper: | I didn't run the emerge -update in x...so I can't even see how far it is..that's plain annoying.. |
| [14:15:00] | kahuna_: | juski: I mostly use ubuntu these days, but gentoo on my myth box. There's advantages to useing a source based distro when you run svn stuff :) |
| [14:15:00] | Jasper: | juski so are you gonna change system? |
| [14:16:00] | juski: | totally gonna change system |
| [14:16:00] | Jasper: | to wha? |
| [14:16:00] | Jasper: | what |
| [14:16:00] | juski: | kahuna_: ubuntu can do svn too |
| [14:16:00] | juski: | it's no harder |
| [14:16:00] | laga: | even my debian sarge can do svn *shrug* |
| [14:16:00] | kahuna_: | I know, but when I'm compiling a bunch of sources I like the package masking in gentoo more than checkinstall in debian. |
| [14:17:00] | kahuna_: | just a personal preference. |
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| [14:17:00] | Jasper: | I liked sarge...until suddenly I couldn't get myth running anymore without a reason... |
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| [14:17:00] | Merlin83b: | Use the real letters, idiot IRC client writers. kthx |
| [14:18:00] | Jasper: | :P some frustration.. |
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| [14:18:00] | kahuna_: | I have mirc colors turned off. |
| [14:18:00] | Merlin83b: | I forgot that that makes the client l33t. |
| [14:18:00] | kahuna_: | That helps a bit. |
| [14:18:00] | Merlin83b: | It wasn't in colour, kahuna_. |
| [14:18:00] | rjune: | somebody's cranky |
| [14:18:00] | kahuna_: | I wouldn't notice anyway :) |
| [14:19:00] | kahuna_: | that's the beauty of it. |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | wts wrng wth txt spk? 0r l337 sp3@k ? ;-) |
| [14:19:00] | Merlin83b: | Just a bugbear of mine, rjune. |
| [14:19:00] | Merlin83b: | juski: You saw that quit message, right? |
| [14:20:00] | rjune: | using the high ascii set? |
| [14:20:00] | ** ivor shrugs, just lame and sad in equal measure. who cares? ** | |
| [14:20:00] | kahuna_: | It happens. |
| [14:21:00] | juski: | more likely the MPAA & RIAA are gonna go after him, if you know what I mean |
| [14:21:00] | kahuna_: | I tried out xvmc and I only got 5% CPU, but it studdered like a drunken whore. I'm looking forward to the day when xvmc works good, because then I can play HD on my box. |
| [14:22:00] | ivor: | kahuna_: what h/w |
| [14:22:00] | juski: | xvmc gives me <15% CPU usage using my EPIA 1Ghz. looks very nice too |
| [14:22:00] | Jasper: | weeee it finished compiling gcc :P |
| [14:23:00] | kahuna_: | celly 2.8 |
| [14:23:00] | directhex|work: | pfft. celery. |
| [14:23:00] | ** ivor slaps post-it note on forehead to finish mpeg4. ** | |
| [14:23:00] | Merlin83b: | What graphics card, kahuna_? |
| [14:23:00] | kahuna_: | nvidia fx5200 |
| [14:23:00] | juski: | btw Jasper watch out for xmltv stopping working when the dependency check doesn't pull in all the PERL modules you need |
| [14:23:00] | directhex|work: | kahuna_, use the 7676 driver |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | that's what happend on debian juski |
| [14:24:00] | kahuna_: | directhex|work: Is it stable? The stable gentoo driver is 65-something IIRC |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | no perl modules were installed...and I couldn't get them installed |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | .. |
| [14:24:00] | juski: | _that_ is why you swapped distro? |
| [14:24:00] | juski: | cpan is great for that |
| [14:24:00] | directhex|work: | kahuna_, 8178 is the current stable driver from nvidia. 7676 is the only one with working xvmc |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | I installed the CPAN:Bundle |
| [14:24:00] | kahuna_: | anything lower than that doesn't work then? |
| [14:24:00] | laga: | 7676 worked fine for me with xvmc |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | but it missed like all this important stuff.... and I didn't wanna install them one by one.. |
| [14:24:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:25:00] | directhex|work: | dh_make_perl! |
| [14:25:00] | kahuna_: | I'll have to try it along with that tasty chromakey OSD |
| [14:25:00] | Merlin83b: | Now that I do need to try. |
| [14:25:00] | ivor: | I thought it was the opengl sync that was the trouble... or is it completely broke? |
| [14:25:00] | laga: | chromakey OSd rocks :) |
| [14:25:00] | Jasper: | and besides I wanted to try something else.. |
| [14:25:00] | juski: | how's the chromakey OSD with via XvMC? |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | I'll know before long, but just curious |
| [14:26:00] | kahuna_: | is chromakey in 0.19? or do I have to patch? |
| [14:26:00] | Jasper: | and waiting for this compilation gives me time to write a letter in english to get a job :P |
| [14:26:00] | Merlin83b: | Meant to be good juski. |
| [14:26:00] | directhex|work: | are there any hot sexy nekkid pics of the new theme in 0.19? |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | just do the download & try it |
| [14:26:00] | kahuna_: | what new theme? |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | mythcenter (sic) |
| [14:27:00] | kahuna_: | I've been using SVN for so long that I take anything "new" for granted :) |
| [14:27:00] | directhex|work: | where "just do the download" means "upgrade your backend & all frontends, and edit dsmyth to work with 0.19 too"? |
| [14:27:00] | juski: | no.. download the source & just copy the theme across |
| [14:27:00] | juski: | pfft |
| [14:27:00] | ivor: | wonder if anyone's ever tried working out whether an opensource xvmc lib was possible. |
| [14:28:00] | kahuna_: | So the 7676 driver is the way to go then? Even better than earlier drivers? |
| [14:28:00] | ivor: | s/xvmc/nvidia xvmc/ |
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| [14:28:00] | kahuna_: | that would be nice. |
| [14:28:00] | directhex|work: | juski, is the theme format compatible? |
| [14:28:00] | ** juski doesn't care too much whether it's open source or not, so long as it works & continues to work ;-) ** | |
| [14:29:00] | juski: | directhex|work: yup |
| [14:29:00] | ** ivor thinkgs juski should care ** | |
| [14:29:00] | ivor: | :) |
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| [14:29:00] | coffee88: | Asked before, and the solution's still not on the gentoo forums, or any obvious searches.... The old 18 ebuild ran the backend as root, and 19 now as mythtv... This seems to cause some big issues. Anything I need to know/do before upgrading? |
| [14:29:00] | marco_g: | Hi |
| [14:30:00] | directhex|work: | chown -R mythtv / |
| [14:30:00] | coffee88: | heh |
| [14:30:00] | ivor: | lol |
| [14:30:00] | kahuna_: | haha |
| [14:31:00] | Spida: | coffee88: issues, like what? |
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| [14:31:00] | directhex|work: | gah, what a bunch of geeks. commands are funny now? ;) |
| [14:31:00] | kahuna_: | coffee88: Just launch your backend under the user that you want ot run it. |
| [14:31:00] | coffee88: | Spida: ringbuffer and recording perms, I think, though no one is quite sure,.... |
| [14:31:00] | kahuna_: | Make sure all suid bits are turned off except for maybe root on the frontend |
| [14:31:00] | Spida: | coffee88: what kind of symptoms? |
| [14:32:00] | Jasper: | hmm coffee88 that means I'm about to be f*cked.. |
| [14:32:00] | Spida: | kahuna_: why? |
| [14:32:00] | coffee88: | can't view TV, and can't record new shows, but can watch old ones.... |
| [14:32:00] | kahuna_: | Spida: there's no sense in it if you run it as the user that owns your myth files. |
| [14:32:00] | Spida: | yeah, ok |
| [14:33:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: There are a couple of suggestions of things to try – maily chaning perms, but they seem a bit like stabs in the dark. YMMV |
| [14:33:00] | directhex|work: | probably permissions on ringbuffer.nuv, and the myth recordings/buffer directories |
| [14:33:00] | Jasper: | hmm coffee88 we'll see what happends..it's just compiling 23 of 50 so I have a lot of time to go |
| [14:33:00] | ivor: | and permissions on capture devices. |
| [14:33:00] | Jasper: | before actually seeing the result :P |
| [14:33:00] | kahuna_: | coffee88: chown -R mythtv <your video directory> |
| [14:33:00] | Jasper: | glibc now |
| [14:33:00] | Jasper: | .. |
| [14:34:00] | kahuna_: | You do have your video dir on a separate partition right? ;) |
| [14:34:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: heh. I'd wait to see how you got on, but I'm updating a 600 epia.... Might have to risk it anyway, if I don't want to have to wait a week.... |
| [14:35:00] | Jasper: | where did you hear about those problems? |
| [14:35:00] | coffee88: | kahuna_: I'll see if I have issues. I'm sure they can be solved.... |
| [14:35:00] | marco_g: | Yesterday I installed MythTV on my PC and it is working great. |
| [14:35:00] | Spida: | ah, permissions, cool |
| [14:35:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Forums. I always check there now before I try new stuff, just in case it's not worth it. |
| [14:36:00] | Spida: | seems to work now |
| [14:36:00] | marco_g: | But I am using some crappy TV card that I borrowed and would like a better card. |
| [14:36:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 life isn't fun if you don't take risks :P |
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| [14:36:00] | Merlin83b: | marco_g: Where do you live? |
| [14:36:00] | Spida: | except that I get oopses in the driver of my vga when I start playback |
| [14:36:00] | ** Spida goes shopping ** | |
| [14:36:00] | marco_g: | I can buy a WinTV PVR350 or a WinTV PR500. Does someone have experiences with both cards? |
| [14:36:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: In the Netherlands. |
| [14:36:00] | Merlin83b: | Do you already have TV out? |
| [14:37:00] | kahuna_: | I just bought this nvidia card to replace my ATI. nvidia > ATI. |
| [14:37:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: depends if the gf is needing to watch stuff that day.... |
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| [14:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:37:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: I have a spare nvidia card, is that a good choice for a dedicated MythTV box? |
| [14:37:00] | Merlin83b: | marco_g: Yep, it's fine. You need a PVR500 if you want two tuners, or a PVR150 if you want one. |
| [14:37:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: Or can I better buy a PVR350? I wonder how well the TV out support is. |
| [14:38:00] | Merlin83b: | marco_g: nvidia cards work fine. |
| [14:38:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Does your current back end run as root? |
| [14:38:00] | Jasper: | yea |
| [14:38:00] | Jasper: | but that can be changes easily I guess.. |
| [14:38:00] | madar: | Hello this is probably going to sound like a dumb question but how can I change the channel? PVR150MCE |
| [14:38:00] | coffee88: | Anyone, does the real time threads help much? Is it worth running 19 as root to use them? |
| [14:38:00] | Jasper: | I got back and frontend on same machine.. |
| [14:39:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: The PVR500 is quite cheap (120 euros), the PVR350 is 134 and the PVR150 is 75. So I think I can better buy the PVR500 when it comes to that. |
| [14:39:00] | Jasper: | I got a 500 |
| [14:39:00] | madar: | I can only get the first channel 03 locally |
| [14:39:00] | Merlin83b: | marco_g: If you want two tuners, a PVR500 is your best bet. |
| [14:39:00] | Jasper: | it works ok...only I got a problem with interlace with them |
| [14:39:00] | madar: | sound works pictures great but no changing to another channel |
| [14:39:00] | Jasper: | might be the drivers...waiting for a response .. |
| [14:39:00] | madar: | any ideas what I should be doing? |
| [14:39:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: But I have seen reports that the PVR500 has worse video quality and the driver is still under development. |
| [14:40:00] | marco_g: | Merlin83b: Ok, cool, thanks. :-) |
| [14:40:00] | kahuna_: | the 150 is good quality and the drivers are the same as the 500. |
| [14:40:00] | Merlin83b: | A few people here have PVR500s. Jasper, juski. |
| [14:40:00] | marco_g: | kahuna_: Ah :-) |
| [14:40:00] | kahuna_: | There is no VBI though, and I had to hack the driver to work around a hardware bug. |
| [14:40:00] | Jasper: | 150 and 500 have same tuner right? |
| [14:41:00] | marco_g: | Are the specs available for the PVR500? If it comes to just some hacking, I could do that. |
| [14:41:00] | madar: | hey kahuna your using a PVR150MCE? |
| [14:41:00] | kahuna_: | I think so. |
| [14:41:00] | kahuna_: | Yup |
| [14:41:00] | madar: | I can't change channels any ideas? |
| [14:41:00] | kahuna_: | Channel change should work fine. |
| [14:41:00] | marco_g: | Are there any other Dutch people here, btw? I am moving to some city where I can get digital television over cable. I was wondering if anyone got that to work. |
| [14:41:00] | Jasper: | marco_g it aint hard setting the pvr 500 up... |
| [14:42:00] | madar: | what do you use to change them? This model has no remote and it doesn't seem to respond to the keyboard |
| [14:42:00] | kahuna_: | Not unless your box has a firewire port, or you can capture analog. |
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| [14:42:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: That was not my biggest worry, I got some older card and mythtv to work in a few hours and read about success reports everywhere on the internet. :) |
| [14:43:00] | kahuna_: | madar: try the ivtv-tune program from the shell once. |
| [14:43:00] | Jasper: | so your worry is the quality of the tuner? |
| [14:43:00] | madar: | okay thanks |
| [14:43:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Right. |
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| [14:43:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: So which card would be the best buy. |
| [14:43:00] | Jasper: | can't help you with that since I am still experiencing some problems myself.. |
| [14:43:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Related to the card? |
| [14:44:00] | kahuna_: | Quality is OK, but not near as good as the 300 of course. That's mostly due to the mpeg decoder in the 300 though. |
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| [14:44:00] | madar: | hey kahuna that works but I can't figure out how to change them from within myth |
| [14:44:00] | Jasper: | marco_g take a look at http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/blaat.mpg ... that's how far I got with it... |
| [14:45:00] | Jasper: | kahuna_ you mean the 350? |
| [14:45:00] | marco_g: | kahuna_: I am not expecting perfect quality. I just don't want lines or some crap in the corner of the screen or so. :) |
| [14:45:00] | kahuna_: | yes, the 350 :) |
| [14:45:00] | madar: | up arrows right left plus minus page up, etc no dice |
| [14:45:00] | Jasper: | is the 350 tuner that much better then kahuna_ ? |
| [14:45:00] | kahuna_: | marco_g: That's not a problem for me. |
| [14:45:00] | madar: | and no ","s |
| [14:45:00] | madar: | ha |
| [14:45:00] | kahuna_: | not the tuner really, just the decoder. |
| [14:46:00] | Jasper: | weird...you would expect the cards having the same.. |
| [14:46:00] | kahuna_: | madar: try brining up the guide with M |
| [14:46:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Eek, TMF! ;-) |
| [14:46:00] | Arkkis: | xris, thanks for all the help, now I got mythweb working, new mythweb seems to be pretty nice |
| [14:46:00] | Jasper: | yeah..only channel which tuned automatically.. |
| [14:46:00] | ** Beirdo continues to shake his fist at Bell Canada ** | |
| [14:46:00] | marco_g: | How does audio input work on the PVR500? |
| [14:46:00] | kahuna_: | madar: then browse the guide to change the chan. |
| [14:47:00] | madar: | hmm, but I'm in an area where there is no EPG data |
| [14:47:00] | marco_g: | On the PVR350 you need an aditional cable to the soundcard, for the PVR500 it's not required, right? |
| [14:47:00] | kahuna_: | Don't worry, just try to change channels in the guide. |
| [14:47:00] | Jasper: | but marco_g why would you want a pvr if you're moving to digital tv? |
| [14:47:00] | kahuna_: | you'll still get the guide, just not filled in |
| [14:48:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Because I want to do recordings, play movies, etc. |
| [14:48:00] | Jasper: | so? |
| [14:48:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: So what? :) |
| [14:48:00] | Jasper: | you can byt a nova-t? |
| [14:48:00] | Jasper: | buy even |
| [14:49:00] | madar: | dumb question again, but how do I navigate to the guide? Not seeing it in Mythfrontend |
| [14:49:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [14:49:00] | kahuna_: | press M from livetv |
| [14:49:00] | Jasper: | or go to recordings |
| [14:49:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:49:00] | kahuna_: | madar: then choose program guide. |
| [14:49:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Well, that's why I asked how to get digital cable on the PC. :) |
| [14:49:00] | Jasper: | take a look at the nova-t on www.hauppauge.com |
| [14:50:00] | kahuna_: | madar: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 |
| [14:50:00] | directhex|work: | i'll have a nova-t spare soon |
| [14:50:00] | Jasper: | the only problem is the lack of digital support in the netherlands at the moment...so if you move to a place without digital...you won't be able to use your box I think |
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| [14:51:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Just started the upgrade (only to myth elements)... We'll see who finishes first and hits the problems first..... |
| [14:51:00] | Jasper: | you will finish first dude.. |
| [14:51:00] | Jasper: | I'm at 24 of 50.. |
| [14:51:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [14:51:00] | madar: | hmm okay I see the guide but I can't seem to switch from there. I have programed in two channels by hand HBO and CNN locally and I see those but |
| [14:51:00] | sphing: | coffee88: then post on the wiki so i wont have the same problem... *yey* |
| [14:52:00] | coffee88: | Cool. |
| [14:52:00] | kahuna_: | madar: try scanning for channels |
| [14:52:00] | madar: | I can't see how to make it switch, enter isn't working |
| [14:52:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Isn't Nova-T for satellite tv? |
| [14:52:00] | Jasper: | madar there's a list of commands on mythtv.org ? |
| [14:52:00] | juski: | just thought – I don't actually need to change distros. here I am moaning about having to maintain gentoo vs installing ubuntu, but getting xmltv working on ubuntu required some jumping through hoops |
| [14:53:00] | kahuna_: | enter should work. I'm guessing that your channels are programmed in incorrectly. |
| [14:53:00] | Jasper: | I believe it's also capable of receiving 'digital' air television |
| [14:53:00] | laga: | juski: keep your gentoo with your working yxmltv in a chroot |
| [14:53:00] | Jasper: | you should take a look at the specs |
| [14:53:00] | kahuna_: | just try scanning for channels madar. It's easier than entering them by hand |
| [14:53:00] | madar: | not seeing the "scan" option in there |
| [14:53:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: AFAIK there are two separate standards. |
| [14:53:00] | Jasper: | I believe the nova-t requires a faster pc? |
| [14:53:00] | juski: | laga: I think I'll get by, by just tarring up /usr.. then if the upgrade goes pear-shaped I'll just untar it back |
| [14:53:00] | coffee88: | yes, nova-t picks up digital dvt-b |
| [14:54:00] | Jasper: | yeah that's what I thought, so you should be able to use it.. |
| [14:54:00] | coffee88: | nova t doesn't seem to use any cpu on a 600mhz epia. |
| [14:54:00] | kahuna_: | In mythtv-setup, channel editor, sources, then channel scanner. |
| [14:54:00] | Jasper: | but like I said..not everyone has digital..so if you move..you won't be able to use it.. |
| [14:54:00] | kahuna_: | madar: But I also think it depends on the theme your using |
| [14:54:00] | Merlin83b: | Nova-t just dumps the raw mpeg2 stream onto the PCI bus, essentially. |
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| [14:55:00] | Merlin83b: | Not much CPU required. |
| [14:55:00] | juski: | about 0.5% CPu typically ;-) |
| [14:55:00] | Jasper: | I meant the harddisk rates |
| [14:55:00] | juski: | what? like 2–5GB per hour? that's nothing really |
| [14:55:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: I was mainly asking because I don't know a thing about DVB and I was wondering if there was anyone here using it with the Essent cable TV. Because it would suck if I bought such a card, just to find out it is not compatible. ;-) |
| [14:55:00] | juski: | oops – 1 to 2 GB per hour |
| [14:56:00] | kahuna_: | Just like the hauppage cards as far as mpeg2 size. Maybe some additional stuff if you get the TS. |
| [14:56:00] | madar: | maybe that's it |
| [14:56:00] | Jasper: | yeah marco_g that would suck..but I can't help you with that...that's why I bought the analog...to be certain |
| [14:56:00] | madar: | this is in the frontend right? |
| [14:56:00] | Kelerion: | juski: got zoneminder compiled.. just configuring it all now |
| [14:56:00] | kahuna_: | madar: yes. |
| [14:56:00] | Kelerion: | worked a treat under ubuntu once it had all the deps |
| [14:56:00] | kahuna_: | Not in the frontend, but in mythtv-setup, sorry/ |
| [14:56:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: According to wikipedia DVB-C is used for cable. |
| [14:56:00] | Jasper: | I think I'll wait for hdtv before switching to digital television marco_g |
| [14:57:00] | juski: | Kelerion: cool :-) |
| [14:57:00] | Kelerion: | will let you know how it goes |
| [14:57:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Yeah, I can always buy another card later. :-) |
| [14:57:00] | juski: | reckon I'm ok just backing up the DB & /usr then? |
| [14:57:00] | Jasper: | if only we had hdtv here :( |
| [14:58:00] | directhex|work: | dvb's great though :( |
| [14:58:00] | kahuna_: | I have 6 OTA hdtv chans :) |
| [14:58:00] | juski: | hdtv in europe will mostly be mpeg4. good luck decoding that with today's hardware |
| [14:58:00] | ** marco_g googles a bit for DVB-C success stories in the area I will move to. ** | |
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| [14:58:00] | stuarta: | directx: picture quality yes, program quality no |
| [14:58:00] | kahuna_: | juski: doesn't the epia board have mpeg4 accel? |
| [14:58:00] | Jasper: | when I lived in the USA I watched some HDTV..it's so sweet.. |
| [14:59:00] | directhex|work: | stuarta, you don;'t like TelevisionX? |
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| [14:59:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how is it going? |
| [14:59:00] | sphing: | Jasper: i love visiting my parents... they have an HDTV |
| [14:59:00] | stuarta: | never bothered to watch it. |
| [14:59:00] | sphing: | its like night and day |
| [14:59:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [14:59:00] | stuarta: | tho the flatmate mysteriously subscribed to it when single... |
| [15:00:00] | Jasper: | but I think my 800 mhz won't be up to the job with hdtv :P |
| [15:00:00] | kahuna_: | lol |
| [15:00:00] | juski: | TelevisionX? get a girlfriend :-D |
| [15:00:00] | coffee88: | Up to 2 of 9... Complng the main myth tv now.... |
| [15:00:00] | sphing: | yea non of my machines are ready for the hdtv leap |
| [15:00:00] | laga: | juski: you should, too! |
| [15:00:00] | sphing: | coffee88: what distro |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | one wife is enough, thanks |
| [15:01:00] | coffee88: | sphing: gentoo |
| [15:01:00] | laga: | juski: heh :) |
| [15:01:00] | sphing: | coffee88: you emerging... or manually compiling? |
| [15:01:00] | Jasper: | I'm still compiling glibc .. |
| [15:01:00] | Jasper: | I guess.. |
| [15:01:00] | coffee88: | sphing: emerging |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | wife 1.0 is not compatible with girlfriend 2.0, always remember that |
| [15:01:00] | sphing: | upgrade? |
| [15:01:00] | coffee88: | sphing: yup. |
| [15:01:00] | kahuna_: | juski: They are at my house |
| [15:01:00] | Jasper: | I wish the remaining 25 packages are all very small and fast.. |
| [15:01:00] | juski: | such a conflict results in a huge loss of resources |
| [15:02:00] | kahuna_: | <- kidding! |
| [15:02:00] | sphing: | coffee88: let me know how that works... I was going to compiling manually for fear of emerging corrupting something |
| [15:02:00] | sphing: | juski: that should be submitted to bash |
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| [15:02:00] | coffee88: | sphing: I always assume the opposite would happen... |
| [15:02:00] | juski: | go ahead – it's as old as the hills |
| [15:02:00] | madar: | okay I found the "scan" option in mythtv-setup but I can't seem to tab down to it |
| [15:02:00] | Jasper: | madar well done...I never managed to find that button :P |
| [15:03:00] | juski: | ooo – 22fps at 840x480 resolution with mjpeg.. our machines are good |
| [15:03:00] | stuarta: | madar: up & down |
| [15:03:00] | kahuna_: | lol, you must be new madar. |
| [15:03:00] | stuarta: | random button pressing is good for you! |
| [15:03:00] | madar: | no I've up and downed I just can't highlight Scan |
| [15:03:00] | kahuna_: | Do you have your video source set up? |
| [15:04:00] | madar: | hmm |
| [15:04:00] | Jasper: | lol |
| [15:04:00] | ** coffee88 wonders if he should have upgraded lirc first.... ** | |
| [15:04:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 emerge -u world :P |
| [15:04:00] | kahuna_: | Basically you do this – set up your card, set up your video source, then add channels with whatever method., |
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| [15:04:00] | stuarta: | ie. steps 1–5 |
| [15:04:00] | kahuna_: | It's all in the manual. |
| [15:04:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Nnnnoooooooo! Not on this box! |
| [15:04:00] | Beirdo: | 840x480?! |
| [15:05:00] | Beirdo: | what kinda bogus resolution is that? |
| [15:05:00] | ** juski meant 640x480 ** | |
| [15:05:00] | Beirdo: | ahh :) |
| [15:05:00] | juski: | tarring /usr up is taking a lot of CPU |
| [15:05:00] | stuarta: | misquoting python: Tho shalt not tarry on 3, nor skip to 5, but proceedeth to 4 and then 5 |
| [15:05:00] | Beirdo: | heh, it would |
| [15:05:00] | kahuna_: | stuarta: but still very true |
| [15:05:00] | Beirdo: | especially if you gzip |
| [15:05:00] | Jasper: | anyone here know if there's like a zap2it for the netherlands" |
| [15:05:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [15:05:00] | Beirdo: | or bzip2 |
| [15:06:00] | juski: | bzipping |
| [15:06:00] | madar: | okay yes I'm a complete idiot |
| [15:06:00] | Jasper: | 8) |
| [15:06:00] | kahuna_: | madar: nope, just new like all of us were once :) |
| [15:06:00] | juski: | /usr/lib/win32... wtf?! |
| [15:07:00] | laga: | juski: prolly w32codecs? mplayer? |
| [15:07:00] | madar: | video source is what? I have no local EPG info |
| [15:07:00] | coffee88: | codecs? |
| [15:07:00] | juski: | ahhh.. lol |
| [15:07:00] | madar: | so what do I put here? |
| [15:07:00] | kahuna_: | You can't get datadirect even? No net connection? |
| [15:08:00] | madar: | I'm in Taiwan |
| [15:08:00] | kahuna_: | Ok. |
| [15:08:00] | directhex|work: | you could use a normal xmltv grabber, or EIT on dvb |
| [15:08:00] | madar: | no EVP that I know of |
| [15:08:00] | kahuna_: | Maybe you can leave it blank then |
| [15:08:00] | ** coffee88 wonders why olympic curling is so addictive to watch.... ** | |
| [15:08:00] | madar: | yeah I tried that and but I can't select Scan |
| [15:08:00] | kahuna_: | After you set up the video source you have to associate an input connection with it. |
| [15:09:00] | ** stuarta wonders why coffee88 is even watching curling ** | |
| [15:09:00] | madar: | and I'm guessing it because it doesn't know what to scan |
| [15:09:00] | ** coffee88 so does coffee88 ** | |
| [15:09:00] | juski: | coffee88: you mean I'm sat here at work waiting for my review when I could be at home watching curling? |
| [15:09:00] | johnp_: | madar : what kind of card are you using ? (Also what version of mythtv) |
| [15:09:00] | ** stuarta sadly lost 1.5hrs to watching the snowboard half pipe on sat ** | |
| [15:09:00] | coffee88: | Yup! Womens curling no less... |
| [15:09:00] | kahuna_: | madar: I'm guessing it's because you didn't follow the directions exactly. |
| [15:10:00] | Arkkis: | Hey, anyone tried the new 0.19 editing of cutlist? Any problems with it? |
| [15:10:00] | stuarta: | works fine. |
| [15:10:00] | Jasper: | hmm juski the mailing list is not very active I guess :P |
| [15:10:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: You want to get your program guide somehow? |
| [15:10:00] | madar: | PVR150MCE |
| [15:10:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: There are some scripts to fetch the programs from tvgids.nl, although I have not tried them yet. |
| [15:10:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, when I watch a recording, and hit "e", all I get is a similar effect like "pause" |
| [15:10:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: The default one didn't work for me, though. |
| [15:11:00] | Jasper: | yeah marco_g I used them |
| [15:11:00] | juski: | btw I checked into ivtvctl – there's nothing about field reversal |
| [15:11:00] | ** coffee88 prefers the curling to the chores he knows he has to do before the gf gets home on f**** valentines day ** | |
| [15:11:00] | Jasper: | you need to download tv_grab_nl_py ...that's an updated grabber |
| [15:11:00] | johnp_: | madar : Assuming you've gone through steps 1–4 correctly then if you're using 0.18 it only works with dvb-t if you're using 0.19 dunno :) |
| [15:11:00] | Jasper: | but it's sooooo slow |
| [15:11:00] | madar: | myth 18.1 |
| [15:11:00] | stuarta: | hmmmm. |
| [15:11:00] | juski: | hey Jasper: do an ivtvctl -C & pop the result into a pastebin for me would ya? |
| [15:11:00] | Jasper: | sure |
| [15:12:00] | johnp_: | madar : so it won't work. |
| [15:12:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Oh... |
| [15:12:00] | madar: | sorry not sure what you mean by dvb-t |
| [15:12:00] | madar: | where should I be setting that? |
| [15:12:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: more digging is required. |
| [15:13:00] | kahuna_: | madar: I think he meant to say that to marco |
| [15:13:00] | marco_g: | huh? |
| [15:13:00] | kahuna_: | madar: Ignore the stuff about dvb-t |
| [15:13:00] | madar: | oh |
| [15:13:00] | madar: | ok |
| [15:13:00] | madar: | doh |
| [15:13:00] | Jasper: | juski --> http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/settings.txt |
| [15:13:00] | marco_g: | Was there something I missed? |
| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | what do you mean? |
| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | juski don't mind the bitrate...it resets after reboot :P |
| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how far are you compiling? |
| [15:14:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: still on 2nd..... Sigh. |
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| [15:14:00] | Jasper: | hehe |
| [15:15:00] | Jasper: | cpu? |
| [15:15:00] | juski: | Jasper: looks okay – same as mine apart from the aspect ratio |
| [15:15:00] | Jasper: | you got a 500 too right? |
| [15:15:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: 600mhz via |
| [15:15:00] | juski: | pvr150 |
| [15:15:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [15:15:00] | Jasper: | could you write some video to a file and upload result? |
| [15:16:00] | juski: | Jasper: maybe |
| [15:16:00] | madar: | hello johnp sorry I lost you, what were you trying to tell me? |
| [15:16:00] | Jasper: | so the bitrate can't be the problem juski ? |
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| [15:17:00] | madar: | basically I can't get guide info as it isn't available in this area |
| [15:17:00] | madar: | so how can I get to scan for stations? |
| [15:17:00] | Jasper: | you can't |
| [15:17:00] | Jasper: | just fill them in yourself madar.. |
| [15:17:00] | juski: | Jasper: don't think so |
| [15:17:00] | Jasper: | is your video quality a lot better juski? |
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| [15:18:00] | Jasper: | cuz the 150 and 500 have the same basic components right? |
| [15:18:00] | juski: | it doesn't have the weirdness if that's what you mean |
| [15:18:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: What is the problem you ran in to? Perhaps it is something I can help with... |
| [15:18:00] | juski: | marco_g: looks like the fields are being reversed in recordings |
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| [15:19:00] | marco_g: | oh |
| [15:19:00] | marco_g: | What kind of visual effects does that give? Jaspers video plays perfectly here. |
| [15:20:00] | juski: | looks blurry |
| [15:20:00] | madar: | I've tried setting them by hand but I can't change the channel from within mythtv |
| [15:20:00] | marco_g: | oh |
| [15:20:00] | madar: | doh! |
| [15:20:00] | directhex|work: | i love corporate maths. 150+150=500 |
| [15:21:00] | coffee88: | Accounting maths. What do you want the answer to be.... |
| [15:21:00] | juski: | more than the sum of its parts? ;-) |
| [15:21:00] | ** DGnome dislikes accounting, really ** | |
| [15:21:00] | stuarta: | hey, I was gunna say that juski |
| [15:21:00] | Jasper: | marco_g you have the wrong video file take a look at http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/test.mpg <-- that's the result with the normal bitrate |
| [15:22:00] | marco_g: | Is it easy to hack mythtv, to get patches applied, etc? |
| [15:22:00] | diamon: | Ok, I'm jumping on the excuse of 0.19's release to upgrade from Dedora Core 3 to 4, which will change my database from 3.24(or whatever 3.x) to 4. I've heard there's some kind of problem doing this, anyone know for sure? I was going to just use the backup and restore info from the Wiki. |
| [15:22:00] | marco_g: | Perhaps this is not the right channel to ask... |
| [15:22:00] | stuarta: | marco_g: yes. |
| [15:22:00] | diamon: | Dedora should be Fedora, of course. Arrgh. |
| [15:23:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: I see it now... |
| [15:23:00] | Jasper: | marco_g the file you saw was with a higher bitrate |
| [15:23:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: With livetv you do not have any problems? |
| [15:23:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Or perhaps with another codec or so. |
| [15:24:00] | Jasper: | another codec? |
| [15:24:00] | Jasper: | it's a direct inputstream |
| [15:24:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: oh... |
| [15:24:00] | Jasper: | cat /dev/v4l/video0 > test.mpg |
| [15:24:00] | marco_g: | hm |
| [15:25:00] | scottder: | anyone else getting messed up result rom ATrpms (still on 0.18 here) for C4 |
| [15:25:00] | scottder: | FC4 |
| [15:26:00] | diamon: | Scottder: According to the web interface, FC4 doesn't have a 0.19 version yet. |
| [15:26:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, hmmh? |
| [15:26:00] | scottder: | specifically with mjpeg tools |
| [15:27:00] | scottder: | diamon: don't want 0.19 just yet |
| [15:27:00] | stuarta: | you'll have to do some digging. Frontend logs etc... |
| [15:27:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, ok |
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| [15:27:00] | scottder: | staying on 0.18 for now...but mjpegtools wants to update and will break things like transcode :) |
| [15:28:00] | diamon: | Oh, you mean just a messed-up version from atrpm's. It does happen at times, I give things from them a day or two and try again, they're usually good about fixing broken packages. |
| [15:28:00] | Merlin83b: | Real men run SVN :-) |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | and real women too, I'd bet |
| [15:28:00] | Merlin83b: | Well, my girlfriend does, by proxy. |
| [15:28:00] | ** coffee88 grumbles to himself and wanders off to do his chores while waiting for the 2nd of 9 to finally finish... ** | |
| [15:28:00] | Merlin83b: | ONe day you'll get to do 7 of 9, coffee88. |
| [15:28:00] | tfm: | diamon: 0.19 is in testing section in atrpms for FC4 |
| [15:29:00] | juski: | up;loading my test clip now |
| [15:29:00] | Jasper: | k |
| [15:29:00] | Jasper: | juski I found a message on google with someone else having a worse problem but could it be essentially the same? www.knudde.be/sample.mpg |
| [15:29:00] | Cardoe: | coffee88: what's 2 of 9? |
| [15:29:00] | diamon: | tfm: I'll wait patiently for it to go to the live side of the house before I worry about it. :) I just wanted to see if anyone knew of issues when upgrading from mysql 3.x to 4.x, so I can change from FC3 to 4. |
| [15:30:00] | juski: | Jasper.. if it's called .mpg I can't grab it |
| [15:30:00] | juski: | using all my uplink at the mo' ;-) |
| [15:30:00] | stuarta: | cardoe: he's emerging.... |
| [15:30:00] | tfm: | diamon: it should work fine |
| [15:30:00] | Jasper: | ah k juski |
| [15:30:00] | diamon: | I can wait for most of those changes a few days until they call it working, though I *really* like the auto-expire killing the lowest-priority recordings first. |
| [15:30:00] | Cardoe: | coffee88: what part is taking so long? |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | qt? |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:30:00] | Cardoe: | probably |
| [15:31:00] | Cardoe: | that bloated whore |
| [15:31:00] | stuarta: | lack of cpu... |
| [15:31:00] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [15:31:00] | ** Beirdo splats splat1 ** | |
| [15:31:00] | scottder: | they also made the older version of the nvidia drivers disappear for 2.6.14 kernel :) |
| [15:31:00] | juski: | okees.. www.juski.co.uk/videos |
| [15:31:00] | ** stuarta hands Beirdo a new trout ** | |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:31:00] | Jasper: | k will take a look now |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | my bot will trout people |
| [15:31:00] | diamon: | Though, does that mean that if one show is recorded at a 3, and another at a 5, and another at -2, if it gets low on space it'll kill off all of the -2, then the 3, then the 5? |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | I wrote the code for that last night |
| [15:31:00] | ** splat1 eyes Beirdo ** | |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | now if only my DSL would get fixed |
| [15:32:00] | Baylink: | "trout"? That's a verb now? |
| [15:32:00] | diamon: | Beirdo: auto-bot-trouting? That's scary... |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | whoah, splat1 is alive |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | like ~trout Baylink |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:32:00] | splat1: | I lurk, leave me be ;) |
| [15:32:00] | Baylink: | As long as it isn't splut. |
| [15:32:00] | stuarta: | maybe it's an auto trouting bot??? |
| [15:32:00] | Jasper: | hmm that looks ok juski |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | splat1: that you do :) |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | and quite well too |
| [15:33:00] | juski: | Jasper: I've got no idea what it is though |
| [15:33:00] | stuarta: | Beirdo: can you make it give out common answers like apt does in #debian |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | it's designed to be a logging bot |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | logs to mysql |
| [15:33:00] | juski: | just changed my cablebox to a channel & catted /dev/video0 |
| [15:33:00] | stuarta: | rather than an abuse bot :) |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, I intend to link in a search functionality |
| [15:33:00] | Jasper: | yeah that's what I did juski |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | I don't think the card is broken though |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | channel 50221 |
| [15:34:00] | stuarta: | think apt is simpler, it learns what it's told to |
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| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | but I have to determine what output to give, and how the web frontend will be structured |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | I hope |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | Jasper – ivtv0.4.2? |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | I'm using 0.4.1 |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | it's the exace same components right? |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | yup |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | what's in your /etc/module.d/ivtv? |
| [15:34:00] | Jasper: | modules.d |
| [15:34:00] | juski: | oh gawd now you're asking |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | I also implemented the "list" command last night... which lists available commands |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:35:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, "2006-02–14 17:34:59.990 couldn't find base dialog" |
| [15:35:00] | Arkkis: | that's the line that appears on "important" debug filtering when I press "e" |
| [15:35:00] | ** stuarta goes for a dig.. ** | |
| [15:35:00] | juski: | dunny. i don't have /etc/modules.d/ivtv |
| [15:36:00] | juski: | *funny, even |
| [15:36:00] | Jasper: | erm? |
| [15:36:00] | Jasper: | you don't have one? |
| [15:36:00] | juski: | nope |
| [15:36:00] | Jasper: | ok that's just plain weird.. |
| [15:36:00] | Arkkis: | actually, that's all the debug info I get, even with the "all" level |
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| [15:37:00] | juski: | oh btw Jasper – that audio & video are going over the cat5 link :-D |
| [15:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | even with that link it looks way better then mine :P |
| [15:38:00] | stuarta: | have you installed 0.19 themes? |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | shall I try to remove my /etc/modules.d/ivtv too |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:38:00] | Jasper: | see if it improves anything.. |
| [15:38:00] | Arkkis: | hey, what does "couldn't find base dialog" mean, can I create a base freakin dialog to make myth work =) |
| [15:38:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, yes |
| [15:38:00] | Arkkis: | and I tried with gant and iulius |
| [15:38:00] | ** juski puts a black mark against the Tektronix rep for not turning up today ** | |
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| [15:39:00] | stuarta: | ahh, but neither of those are standard themes |
| [15:39:00] | Beirdo: | juski: now that's bad |
| [15:39:00] | stuarta: | they are part of myththemes. |
| [15:39:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how far? |
| [15:39:00] | Arkkis: | so, what are the standard themes? |
| [15:39:00] | stuarta: | try blue theme |
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| [15:40:00] | Jasper: | juski do you think the /etc/modules.d/ivtv is necessary? |
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| [15:40:00] | Arkkis: | thats darn ugly :) (but I'll give it a shot) |
| [15:40:00] | juski: | Jasper: probably |
| [15:40:00] | juski: | there's a lot of difference between 0.4.1 and 0.4.2 |
| [15:40:00] | juski: | I'm also running on a 2.6.12 kernel IIRC |
| [15:41:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, "couldn't find base dialog" still |
| [15:41:00] | Klatuu: | /me ponders what kinds of "fun" he will face by doing an emerge -u mythtv |
| [15:41:00] | Arkkis: | and myth crashes so bad that I have to kill the frontend |
| [15:41:00] | Beirdo: | add a -p and find out |
| [15:42:00] | Klatuu: | I already know what will be upgraded |
| [15:42:00] | Klatuu: | the aftermath is what concerns me |
| [15:42:00] | Jasper: | well I can try to return to the old drivers juski... |
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| [15:43:00] | juski: | Jasper: on your head be it! |
| [15:43:00] | Beirdo: | good luck, Klatuu |
| [15:43:00] | juski: | try the ivtv forums though |
| [15:43:00] | Klatuu: | :) |
| [15:43:00] | diamon: | Klatuu: Do like I did, get an external USB drive to back up to fast, *then* upgrade. |
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| [15:43:00] | Jasper: | I could also stuff it in a windows box and use the original drivers, to see if it's a problem with the device |
| [15:44:00] | juski: | jasper: I don't think that'll help. |
| [15:44:00] | Klatuu: | at least I have tivo as a failsafe |
| [15:44:00] | Jasper: | you don't think it's aproblem on the device itself juski ? |
| [15:44:00] | juski: | no I thnk it's a driver issue |
| [15:44:00] | juski: | jasper: what res are you recording at? |
| [15:44:00] | diamon: | Klatuu: I saw my mom's TiVo output, the quality was awful! |
| [15:44:00] | juski: | try full PAL resoulution |
| [15:45:00] | juski: | (720x576) |
| [15:45:00] | Klatuu: | diamon, that depends on what tivo she has and what quality she has it set to |
| [15:45:00] | Jasper: | juski 400Xsomething |
| [15:46:00] | Klatuu: | I have the integrated directv box which does not degrade the picture |
| [15:46:00] | Jasper: | 480x480 I think |
| [15:46:00] | diamon: | Klatuu: I don't know the model. it's supposed to be some newer one, with a DVD writer built-in. She had it set to max, but it looked like what mine did when set to a hideous bitrate... |
| [15:46:00] | Jasper: | how can I set the resolution? |
| [15:46:00] | Klatuu: | ahh |
| [15:47:00] | Klatuu: | my old standalone tivo didn't really have a bad picture |
| [15:47:00] | sona_: | anybody else havin problem with eit in mythtv 0.19 ? not wotking at all here, also unable to scan for channels, (used channels.conf). |
| [15:48:00] | stuarta: | sona_: what problem you having with eit? |
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| [15:48:00] | coffee88: | is relieved the required chores are over with, even though he's meant to be working from home today. |
| [15:48:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how far are you? |
| [15:48:00] | sona_: | stuarta: the problem is, it doesn't work at all |
| [15:48:00] | coffee88: | Still on the 2nd of 9, the main mythtv package..... Sigh. |
| [15:48:00] | diamon: | coffee88: I do chores when working from home too. I consider it an efficient use of my time. :) |
| [15:48:00] | sona_: | 2006-02–13 23:16:11.752 Grabbing XMLTV data using eitonly is not verified as working. |
| [15:49:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, where should I look next for a solutin on that cutlist problem? |
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| [15:49:00] | Jasper: | lol coffee88 your box is even slower then mine |
| [15:49:00] | Jasper: | I'm stil on 23 of 50 |
| [15:49:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:49:00] | coffee88: | There are nice chores, and then there are boring ones..... |
| [15:49:00] | diamon: | So, nobody's heard of problems upgrading a mythtv database from 3.x to 4.x? |
| [15:49:00] | juski: | vlc player just crashed my win2k work desktop.. yuk |
| [15:49:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: it shouldn't be crashing, so start there. |
| [15:50:00] | Klatuu: | does 0.19 work better with mysql 5? |
| [15:50:00] | stuarta: | sona_: did you --enable-dvb-eit when you compiled it? |
| [15:50:00] | Jasper: | hmm juski ... http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/720.mpg it's looks better doesn't it? |
| [15:50:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, okay, should'nt be crashing.. ..next? |
| [15:51:00] | sona_: | stuarta: I use gentoo nad compiled with useflag dvb |
| [15:51:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: firstly, how did you install it. |
| [15:51:00] | Arkkis: | emerge mythtv |
| [15:51:00] | Arkkis: | :) |
| [15:51:00] | sona_: | no shit dude :p |
| [15:52:00] | sona_: | ops |
| [15:52:00] | Jasper: | omg it's gonna compile a package of 23 mb now.. |
| [15:52:00] | Jasper: | this is gonna take ages.. |
| [15:52:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: What's it compiling now? |
| [15:52:00] | Jasper: | no clue |
| [15:52:00] | Jasper: | can't see |
| [15:52:00] | Jasper: | it's unpacking gcc-3.3.6.tar.bz2 |
| [15:53:00] | Jasper: | looks like gcc |
| [15:53:00] | Jasper: | I thought it allready did that.. |
| [15:53:00] | coffee88: | I thought it just did that?! |
| [15:53:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, I used gentoo emerge to install mythtv. Everything else seems to be working fine, but the cutlist |
| [15:53:00] | stuarta: | juski is the gentoo expert :-P |
| [15:53:00] | Jasper: | gcc patches it says |
| [15:53:00] | coffee88: | heh |
| [15:54:00] | Jasper: | I think you'll win coffee88 |
| [15:54:00] | sona_: | stuarta: but the problem is probably not eit... as I sad, can't scan for channels either, it only finds the transport id's, after that I see alot of timeouts and no table messages... |
| [15:54:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:54:00] | stuarta: | is there an option to emerge myththemes? |
| [15:54:00] | Jasper: | juski did you see the new mpeg it looks better imho |
| [15:54:00] | stuarta: | sona_: that bit is a known problem, just repeat, it eventually finds them all |
| [15:54:00] | coffee88: | I will be impressed, if so! |
| [15:54:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, ok, I'll harass juski then =) |
| [15:55:00] | diamon: | Jasper: Remember, there's a time-honored tradition of starting a compile, and then going to bed. Like magic, it's usually done by the time you're conscious again. :) |
| [15:55:00] | sona_: | stuarta: ok, however it worked without any problems in 0.18 |
| [15:55:00] | Arkkis: | juski, dude, do you have 0.19 running on your gentoo? |
| [15:55:00] | Jasper: | yeah diamon |
| [15:55:00] | coffee88: | stuarta: emerge mythtv-themes |
| [15:55:00] | Jasper: | but I didn't think it would take all day when I started it this morning |
| [15:55:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:55:00] | stuarta: | I know. It's in a area that is being completely rewritten |
| [15:55:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: what coffee88 said... |
| [15:56:00] | sona_: | when you emerge mythtv 0.19 mythtvthemes are a dependency |
| [15:56:00] | Jasper: | sona_ are teh plugins also a dependency then? |
| [15:56:00] | sona_: | nope |
| [15:56:00] | stuarta: | does it clear out the old themes tho? |
| [15:56:00] | sona_: | you'll have to emerge em later |
| [15:56:00] | Jasper: | so 0.19 doesn't use mplayer anymore right? |
| [15:56:00] | Jasper: | that's sweet |
| [15:56:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [15:56:00] | sona_: | stuarta: it should |
| [15:57:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, you meant that I should try re-emerging my mythtv-themes? |
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| [15:57:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: I suspect your issues are related to themes... |
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| [15:58:00] | Arkkis: | ok |
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| [15:58:00] | Arkkis: | I'll give that a shot then |
| [15:58:00] | stuarta: | not that there is much to compile in a theme. |
| [15:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Jasper: You didn't have to use mplayer with 0.18 either |
| [15:59:00] | sona_: | Arkkis: are you using mythtv 0.19 or .18 ? |
| [15:59:00] | Cardoe: | Gentoo's MythTV 0.19 automatically pulls in mythtv-themes 0.19 |
| [16:00:00] | Jasper: | GreyFoxx it didn't have it's own player ? |
| [16:00:00] | Jasper: | or did it? |
| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | It did |
| [16:00:00] | Arkkis: | .19 |
| [16:00:00] | Jasper: | huh |
| [16:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ever since at least 0.18 you could specify "internal" in mythvideo to use the internal player |
| [16:01:00] | Jasper: | never saw that |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | yeah but it didn't work so hot |
| [16:01:00] | Jasper: | I should read the tutorials.. |
| [16:01:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:01:00] | coffee88: | Cardoe, are you aware of any issues moving from running mythbackend as root under 18 to mythtv in 19? There seem to be some issues in the forums |
| [16:01:00] | diamon: | Does it work better now in .19? |
| [16:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using the internal player happily since January |
| [16:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | err July |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | coffee88: what forums? |
| [16:01:00] | coffee88: | Gentoo forums |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | coffee88: the issue is mythbackend doesn't run as root anymore |
| [16:01:00] | Cardoe: | gimme a link? |
| [16:02:00] | Arkkis: | diamon, I'm happy with .19, but I was having crash issues with .18 and mysql5, so it's easy to be happy after that |
| [16:02:00] | Cardoe: | I love how I'm the maintainer |
| [16:02:00] | Jasper: | this is funny..I randomly catted my video to file yesterday and today...and I managed to cap the same music clip.. |
| [16:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have a few videos that return a bad fps which myth doesn't handle well, but I plan on patching that. But that's 2 out of a couple thousand videos |
| [16:02:00] | coffee88: | 2 secs.... |
| [16:02:00] | Cardoe: | And no one reports any issues to me |
| [16:03:00] | Arkkis: | Cardoe, I could report an issue with my cutlist, would that make you happy? |
| [16:03:00] | diamon: | Arkkis: Nice to know! I should have mysql4, as I was thinking to use FC4 and not get all bleeding-edge with FC5... |
| [16:03:00] | Jasper: | juski take a look at http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/test.mpg ...that's what you get when changing the resolution |
| [16:03:00] | Merlin83b: | Internal player eh? Wander what I'm using. |
| [16:04:00] | Merlin83b: | Probably mplayer. |
| [16:04:00] | Jasper: | I couldn't figure out the commands for mplayer |
| [16:04:00] | Jasper: | so always had to quit mythfrontend |
| [16:04:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:04:00] | Merlin83b: | Came all set up for me. Mmm, knoppmyth :-) |
| [16:04:00] | diamon: | Jasper: Same, and it never liked my remote's mappings and I was never clear why. Unless it's hideous, I'll use the MythTV internal DVD player from now on. |
| [16:05:00] | coffee88: | Cardoe: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-432939-p . . . tart-25.html |
| [16:05:00] | coffee88: | Cardoe: I can't yet confirm it's a real issue.... |
| [16:05:00] | juski: | Jasper I'll take a look in a sec |
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| [16:06:00] | juski: | jasper: if you rename them to .mag I can download em from where I am without going thru my home connection ;-) |
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| [16:07:00] | Jasper: | ok juski |
| [16:08:00] | Kelerion: | damn – this is hard work.. lol |
| [16:08:00] | Jasper: | juski http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/ and then 720.mag and 720–2.mag |
| [16:09:00] | Cardoe: | Chutt: around? |
| [16:10:00] | Jasper: | juski you want me to also rename the old one so you can watch the difference? |
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| [16:10:00] | juski: | I haven't got the old one here |
| [16:10:00] | Arkkis: | Jasper, what's causing that difference? |
| [16:11:00] | sphing: | coffee88: hows it going... any problems? |
| [16:11:00] | Jasper: | uploading the old one now |
| [16:11:00] | Jasper: | Arkkis the difference is the resolution in ivtvctl |
| [16:12:00] | Jasper: | from 480x480 to 720x576 |
| [16:12:00] | Arkkis: | ivtvctl, what's that :) |
| [16:12:00] | jvs: | when emerging ivtv-0.4.2 I get this message when compiling: CONFIG_VIDEO_DECODER: is not set when it should be. |
| [16:12:00] | jvs: | do I have to mind? |
| [16:12:00] | coffee88: | sphing: Still on the 2nd package.... Yawn. I shoudl have moved this to a faster box, but that's a real hassle.... |
| [16:12:00] | Jasper: | take a look at http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/test.mag for the 480*480 Arkkis <-- juski that's the old one |
| [16:12:00] | simcop2387: | jvs: not sure entirely, but what card do you have? |
| [16:13:00] | jvs: | simcop2387, pvr-250 |
| [16:13:00] | jvs: | two of them |
| [16:13:00] | jvs: | simcop2387, it's emerging fine though (so far) |
| [16:13:00] | simcop2387: | jvs: well if i'm remembering correctly that'll only matter with the 350's, so you should be safe but if things don't work correctly well then it does matter |
| [16:13:00] | Jasper: | juski what do you think? it looks a bit better right? |
| [16:14:00] | jvs: | * Checking for suitable kernel configuration options: |
| [16:14:00] | jvs: | * CONFIG_VIDEO_DECODER: is not set when it should be. |
| [16:14:00] | jvs: | * CONFIG_VIDEO_AUDIO_DECODER: is not set when it should be. |
| [16:14:00] | juski: | slow connection here |
| [16:14:00] | jvs: | sorry |
| [16:14:00] | jvs: | only wanted to paste the last line |
| [16:14:00] | juski: | 720.mpg looks macro-blocky |
| [16:15:00] | sphing: | coffee88: well keep me updated, I'm looking to upgrade this weekend |
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| [16:15:00] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [16:15:00] | Beirdo: | dlopen() is easier to use than I thought |
| [16:15:00] | coffee88: | heh, if I'm finished by then, I'll let you know! |
| [16:15:00] | Jasper: | what do you mean with macro blocky juski ? |
| [16:16:00] | Jasper: | pixely :P |
| [16:16:00] | Jasper: | let's see what happends with the new res and the higher bitrate |
| [16:16:00] | Arkkis: | stuarta, about the re-emerge, no help |
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| [16:17:00] | dennis-: | hey folks |
| [16:17:00] | juski: | brb.. just gonna examine the mpegs in the lab |
| [16:17:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [16:18:00] | simcop2387: | Beirdo: what're you using it for? |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | gonna make plugins for the bot I'm writing |
| [16:19:00] | simcop2387: | cool |
| [16:19:00] | simcop2387: | why write it in C? heh |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | so if people want to add new commands, they make a plugin |
| [16:19:00] | stuarta: | Arkkis: currently out of ideas. |
| [16:19:00] | juski: | Jasper: both 720 examples look great here |
| [16:19:00] | Beirdo: | because C makes for small code which runs fast |
| [16:19:00] | juski: | the original file looks bluury but dithered – it's the video scaling doing that |
| [16:20:00] | simcop2387: | hope you don't plan on using already compiled code from people :) |
| [16:20:00] | Cardoe: | jvs: you're missing some needed modules in your kernel config |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | why would I use already compiled code? |
| [16:20:00] | Beirdo: | I'm WRITING this |
| [16:20:00] | dennis-: | anyone here using the i810-driver on xfree? i'm having trouble to use a widescreen resolution with it |
| [16:20:00] | Jasper: | juski |
| [16:21:00] | Jasper: | I got an even better one if your connection can handle it |
| [16:21:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:21:00] | scopeuk: | i810 isent that msn tv joby? |
| [16:21:00] | Beirdo: | making a plugin API so people can extend it |
| [16:21:00] | Jasper: | http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/720-3.mag |
| [16:21:00] | juski: | Jasper: if 720x576 looks okay on your system, stick with that |
| [16:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | scopeuk: the msntv has an intel 830, but it might be the same driver |
| [16:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | My msntv is on the way here :) |
| [16:21:00] | juski: | 480x480 looked gash on my setup, but not as bad as yours did. 720x576 seems sweet to me though |
| [16:21:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [16:22:00] | Jasper: | the last link I posted is with highest bitrate |
| [16:22:00] | Jasper: | looks really good |
| [16:22:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [16:22:00] | ** ivor wonders if "looked gash" is a technical term. ** | |
| [16:22:00] | ** GreyFoxx needs to find some good mpeg analysing software ** | |
| [16:22:00] | simcop2387: | Beirdo: people submit their own .so's for it :) |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [16:22:00] | Beirdo: | they can submit the code to build the .so |
| [16:22:00] | scopeuk: | gey did he get tv out wqorking? |
| [16:22:00] | juski: | I used videoinspector ;-) |
| [16:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not yet, but he expects to have the cf limit and tvout going by the weekend |
| [16:23:00] | Beirdo: | and I will also be using this for the MUD later :) |
| [16:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Can't wait to start playing with it |
| [16:23:00] | simcop2387: | heh |
| [16:23:00] | Jasper: | juski is it a problem leaving the bitrate on 9600000 |
| [16:23:00] | jvs: | Cardoe, which ones? |
| [16:23:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [16:23:00] | jvs: | Cardoe, just upgraded the kernel using oldconfig |
| [16:24:00] | scopeuk: | okguys which is quickest distro from 0 to myht in 3 hours or less preferably |
| [16:24:00] | juski: | Jasper – leave the capture size @ 720x576 but turn down the bitrate or you'll eat HDD space too quickly |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | the one you are used to, scopeuk |
| [16:24:00] | juski: | that clip I sent is 2500kbps |
| [16:24:00] | Jasper: | k, but it's normal that a higher bitrate makes it look better juski ? |
| [16:25:00] | Jasper: | with the tv channel? |
| [16:25:00] | juski: | Jasper: capture size has made the difference in your case |
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| [16:25:00] | juski: | I read that earlier ivtv had problems scaling video.. maybe those problems are back for some people |
| [16:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | scopeuk: My average install from a distro CD is around an hour to an hour and a half. but if I use my prepared disk it's about 2 minutes |
| [16:25:00] | Jasper: | so you think that version is exceptable? |
| [16:25:00] | Jasper: | the quality"? |
| [16:25:00] | quitte: | hi again. can saa7134 cards be used as an encoder? |
| [16:26:00] | juski: | Jasper: well it's nearly time to go home |
| [16:26:00] | juski: | but try 2500kbps at 720x576 – set it in your default & livetv recording profiles |
| [16:26:00] | stuarta: | home to cook for the GF |
| [16:26:00] | juski: | I find that more than acceptable |
| [16:26:00] | Jasper: | I'll stick with this then..any way to keep the settings saved in ivtvctl? |
| [16:26:00] | juski: | stuarta: likewise :-P |
| [16:27:00] | scopeuk: | Beirdo thanks ill see if i havedebain around here somewhere and GreyFoxx what distro is hat with or is it jsut general |
| [16:27:00] | juski: | Jasper – set em in your recording profiles in mythtv :-) |
| [16:27:00] | scopeuk: | think i have a copy of fedora round here somewhere but its fedora 2 |
| [16:27:00] | stuarta: | Mine will be waiting in the pub for me :) |
| [16:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | scopeuk: I use Slackware |
| [16:27:00] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | I use ubuntu, personally |
| [16:27:00] | stuarta: | i use debian |
| [16:27:00] | Arkkis: | gentoo |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | but whatever you are used to |
| [16:27:00] | juski: | stuarta: half the work done for you if she comes home drunk :-P |
| [16:27:00] | scopeuk: | valantines day and the chan is buisier than normal i perhaps shouldent read into this |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | gentoo likely will fail the "less than 3h" part, but other than that |
| [16:27:00] | Jasper: | thanks for the help juski |
| [16:28:00] | stuarta: | :-) |
| [16:28:00] | Beirdo: | should still work |
| [16:28:00] | Arkkis: | :) |
| [16:28:00] | stuarta: | professional alco like me.... |
| [16:28:00] | scopeuk: | ima profesional ammature |
| [16:28:00] | juski: | Jasper: no problem – all in a days' work (literally) |
| [16:28:00] | scopeuk: | so basicaly its gonan take me weeks |
| [16:28:00] | scopeuk: | i tried knoppmyth but the bloodythign wont boot |
| [16:28:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 still on 2 of 9 ? |
| [16:28:00] | juski: | time to go.. and remember "it's not just the music it's the _beat_ " |
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| [16:29:00] | coffee88: | yup. Grrrrrrr. I keep thinking the connection has dropped out. But it hasn't..... |
| [16:29:00] | ivor: | is anyone converting dvb-radio recordings into mp3's ? |
| [16:29:00] | sphing: | anyone have any udp programming experience |
| [16:30:00] | stuarta: | ivor: wouldn't be hard. |
| [16:30:00] | ivor: | sphing: why? |
| [16:30:00] | sphing: | got a question |
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| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | heya, xris |
| [16:30:00] | ivor: | stuarta: yeah just wondering how slick it would be to dump them over into mythmusic |
| [16:31:00] | simcop2387: | sphing: i know a little, what do you need? |
| [16:31:00] | sphing: | simcop2387: pm? |
| [16:31:00] | simcop2387: | sure |
| [16:31:00] | stuarta: | mp2 -> mp3 or ogg. probably already a tool for that. |
| [16:32:00] | ivor: | I guess mencoder would probably do it..... |
| [16:32:00] | quitte: | weird thing that the saa7134 is mentioned in the howto only in the chapter about lirc. and what i found with google just tells me it works like a charm – but not if that means he used it as an encoder |
| [16:32:00] | simcop2387: | why is it dccchat doesn't work for me on freenode but it does on every other network |
| [16:33:00] | stuarta: | freenode use the own ircd |
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| [16:33:00] | stuarta: | s/the/their/ |
| [16:33:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 did you just emerge mythtv |
| [16:33:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [16:34:00] | Jasper: | after doing a emerge --sync |
| [16:34:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: mythtv, news, gallery, nuvexport, mythvideo, mythdvd mythweather.... |
| [16:35:00] | Jasper: | ah you did them all at once.. |
| [16:35:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: I had to unmask them.... pakage.keywords and all that.... |
| [16:35:00] | sona_: | stuarta: btw, I had some problems with finding channels in 0.19, got it working now, seems as the default 500ms signal timeout was not enough for the nova-t card, all working now! |
| [16:36:00] | stuarta: | did it scan in one go, or did you need several attempts? |
| [16:36:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: it's mythtv itself that's taking this time. I suspect the others should be faster. But I'm convinced the box is never this slow..... |
| [16:36:00] | sona_: | 2 attempts |
| [16:36:00] | stuarta: | better than my last effort :) |
| [16:36:00] | sona_: | it found half the channels the first time... |
| [16:36:00] | sona_: | I put signal timeout from 500ms to 2000ms |
| [16:38:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 I finished gcc :P |
| [16:38:00] | Jasper: | now for real |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | oh good god, you were emerging gcc? |
| [16:38:00] | Jasper: | yeah...and a lot more....emerge -u world |
| [16:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:38:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: You may yet finish before me! :-( |
| [16:38:00] | stuarta: | masochist |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | crazy buggers |
| [16:39:00] | Jasper: | on a pentium III that is |
| [16:39:00] | sona_: | dont like the new program guide tho, late Night with Conan O'Brien (Sports) |
| [16:39:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:39:00] | Jasper: | yeah almost halfway....24 of 50... |
| [16:39:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [16:40:00] | ** coffee88 wanders off to stand over the box shaking his fist and threatning it with a glass of water...... ** | |
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| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [16:41:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [16:41:00] | ** stuarta offers coffee88 a large hammer... ** | |
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| [16:41:00] | Jasper: | I don't think in the 50 mythtv is actually included coffee88 |
| [16:42:00] | ivor: | hahahah |
| [16:42:00] | ** ivor pats his icecream cluster ** | |
| [16:43:00] | stuarta: | is that the size of an icecream van? |
| [16:43:00] | ivor: | it's in a rack. :P |
| [16:44:00] | directhex|work: | how do you cluster frozen deserts? |
| [16:44:00] | directhex|work: | can you do SMP by adding a waffle backplane? |
| [16:45:00] | ivor: | wonder if I can squeeze any more machines in.... |
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| [16:45:00] | spiderworm_work: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . a6b2724719ac <--- please help |
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| [16:46:00] | directhex|work: | ivor, you can stack some more machines on top of the rack, assuming you have power |
| [16:46:00] | ivor: | ah but that'll block the top vents. |
| [16:47:00] | ** coffee88 can't explain how a trout ended up in the glass of water.... ** | |
| [16:47:00] | directhex|work: | good! your airflow should be exclusively channel-based anyway |
| [16:47:00] | [1]lucas: | hey. Ever since upgrading to svn of just after .19 I'm getting this strange thing were mythtv things a lot of programs in the future have already been recorded. |
| [16:47:00] | [1]lucas: | and it doesn't think it needs to record them again. |
| [16:47:00] | Jasper: | lol coffee88 we're going fast now...29 allready |
| [16:47:00] | Jasper: | it decided to pick up the pace.. |
| [16:47:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Grrrrr. Not fair! |
| [16:47:00] | [1]lucas: | my recorded table in my database only consists of 30 entries, and the ones in the future that are marked "already recorded" are not part of them. |
| [16:48:00] | Jasper: | I'm wondering if my mythtv will still run after this update :P |
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| [16:48:00] | [1]lucas: | anybody any idea where to look to investigate this further? |
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| [16:49:00] | ivor: | directhex|work: ah but not all the machines are rackmount, so I think the top fan is probably a good idea. |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | [1]lucas: the oldrecorded table |
| [16:49:00] | Rule: | Hello folks, where is the myth db version stored in the db ? |
| [16:49:00] | directhex|work: | ivor, buy a watercooled rack! |
| [16:50:00] | madar: | okay this is driving me crazy, PVR150MCE I can change channels using ivtv-tune but I can't change them from within myth |
| [16:50:00] | ** ivor puts head in hands ** | |
| [16:50:00] | madar: | I live in an area with no EPG info so I have set up some channels by hand |
| [16:50:00] | Beirdo: | Rule: in the settings table, I believe |
| [16:50:00] | madar: | but I can't seem to switch between them from within myth |
| [16:50:00] | madar: | any ideas? |
| [16:50:00] | Jasper: | how did you try to change them? |
| [16:50:00] | directhex|work: | or even better, stick all the computers in the freezer, and pack ice-cream around them |
| [16:51:00] | ** ivor thinks directhex|work isn't taking this subject entirely seriously, ** | |
| [16:51:00] | madar: | arrow keys, plus, minus, page up, etc |
| [16:51:00] | Jasper: | madar did you actually check if the frequency's are correct...otherwise you won't be able to swap.. |
| [16:51:00] | madar: | keyboard |
| [16:51:00] | ** johnp_ thinks of why the -pvr channel scanner was written. ** | |
| [16:51:00] | madar: | I can change them manually and see them in myth when I start it up |
| [16:51:00] | ivor: | johnp_: for fun? |
| [16:52:00] | [1]lucas: | Beirdo: thnx, looking into it now. |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [16:52:00] | Jasper: | so you filled in all the frequency's of the channels madar in channel editor? |
| [16:52:00] | Rule: | Beirdo: ok thanks, I did it the hard way now though |
| [16:52:00] | madar: | yes for a few |
| [16:52:00] | madar: | just to test it |
| [16:52:00] | madar: | but yes |
| [16:52:00] | madar: | I used ivtv-tune -l to get the frequencies |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | I don't know what ivtv-tune -l does |
| [16:53:00] | madar: | lists all frequencies |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | I used scantv |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | that physically checks the cable for frequencies |
| [16:53:00] | Jasper: | so how did you enter the frequency/s madar? |
| [16:54:00] | Jasper: | like 720000 |
| [16:54:00] | madar: | anyway, does anyone here have PVR150MCE have any thoughts on what I may be doing wrong? |
| [16:54:00] | Jasper: | or 720 ? |
| [16:54:00] | madar: | no |
| [16:54:00] | madar: | like 469.250 |
| [16:54:00] | Jasper: | remove the . |
| [16:54:00] | madar: | ah let me try that |
| [16:54:00] | madar: | thanks |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, frequency in kHz |
| [16:55:00] | Rule: | hmm and the gui for DVB uses Hz ? |
| [16:55:00] | Jasper: | this will prolly solve your problem |
| [16:55:00] | Jasper: | hz = like 192000000 |
| [16:55:00] | Rule: | sillyness :) |
| [16:55:00] | Jasper: | seriously? |
| [16:55:00] | Rule: | yes the tune gui does |
| [16:56:00] | Jasper: | weird |
| [16:56:00] | Rule: | for transport scans |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | heh, well fiddle units until it works |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [16:56:00] | Rule: | It works, its noted in the help text |
| [16:56:00] | madar: | doh |
| [16:56:00] | Rule: | just not consistent ;) |
| [16:56:00] | Jasper: | madar it works now? |
| [16:56:00] | madar: | no |
| [16:57:00] | Jasper: | not? |
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| [16:57:00] | madar: | but I see I missed something here |
| [16:57:00] | madar: | are you saying it should look like |
| [16:57:00] | madar: | 192000000 |
| [16:57:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [16:57:00] | Jasper: | 192000 |
| [16:57:00] | madar: | yeah I've done that |
| [16:57:00] | madar: | still can't seem to switch from one to another |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | restart the backend after any changes in mythtv-setup |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | just to be sure |
| [16:57:00] | madar: | used number pad |
| [16:58:00] | Jasper: | maybe you use different frequency's |
| [16:58:00] | madar: | okay hang on |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | some will require it, some don't |
| [16:58:00] | Jasper: | Rule you said you should enter hz? |
| [16:58:00] | ivor: | heh, there's even an icecream ebuild for the gentoo fanboys. |
| [16:58:00] | Rule: | for DVB |
| [16:58:00] | Jasper: | hmm what is madar using? |
| [16:58:00] | Rule: | pvr150 == analog |
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| [16:58:00] | Jasper: | ah he uses pvr150 |
| [16:58:00] | Rule: | I have both :) |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | nice |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | but what's the use? |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:59:00] | scopeuk: | ok i should be oright to night ive dug out an old wireless desk set to use for seting up |
| [16:59:00] | Rule: | well I had analog first |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | ah k |
| [16:59:00] | Rule: | now that we have digital cable, the analog is secondary in case of conflicts :) |
| [16:59:00] | madar: | sorry |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | about what? |
| [16:59:00] | madar: | restarted backend but still not good |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 I'm gonna catch up.....35 of 50 allready |
| [16:59:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh, I have 3 PVR-250 and one bttv (for conflict resolution) |
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| [17:00:00] | coffee88: | ivor: there's 2 icecreams. That could get confusing... |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | and yes, all 4 get used occasionally |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | vanilla and chocolate? |
| [17:00:00] | Rule: | well I set up one with 2 pvr500s and 1 150 for a friend :) |
| [17:00:00] | Rule: | thats 5 :) |
| [17:00:00] | madar: | driving me nuts :) |
| [17:00:00] | Rule: | and we're not in the US where you have a million channels in your language :-p |
| [17:01:00] | ivor: | coffee88: hmm well I think you'd notice pretty quickly if you chose the wrong one. :) |
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| [17:01:00] | madar: | do I need to give it an external command for changing the channel? |
| [17:01:00] | Rule: | no |
| [17:01:00] | coffee88: | You'd hope so.... |
| [17:01:00] | madar: | I can switch channels no problem using ivtv-tune -c or ptune-ui |
| [17:02:00] | madar: | but inside myth nothing will switch them |
| [17:02:00] | Rule: | well at the card setup, did you select the correct input ? |
| [17:02:00] | Rule: | tuner0 ? |
| [17:02:00] | madar: | yes |
| [17:02:00] | madar: | I see tv |
| [17:02:00] | Rule: | permissions ok ? |
| [17:02:00] | madar: | hmm |
| [17:02:00] | madar: | not sure |
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| [17:02:00] | Rule: | I put mythtv in the video group :) |
| [17:03:00] | Rule: | afk.. food |
| [17:03:00] | madar: | should I be running as user mythtv or a regular user |
| [17:03:00] | madar: | right now I'm using a regular user |
| [17:04:00] | scopeuk: | brb gotta conenct the hub |
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| [17:04:00] | Jasper: | I'm running everything root |
| [17:04:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:05:00] | Jasper: | that's prolly the worst you can do |
| [17:05:00] | Jasper: | but it's good for testing |
| [17:05:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [17:06:00] | malaTG: | Hi everyone! Just upgraded to 0.19 on my mythmachine but I still have a problem that I thought was fixed at least I found a ticket that said so........ |
| [17:06:00] | ** coffee88 has decided that anyone who does the luge has lost the will to live..... ** | |
| [17:06:00] | malaTG: | I have a lot of entries in mythvideo that wont go away |
| [17:06:00] | ivor: | coffee88: what? like a vodka luge? |
| [17:06:00] | ivor: | ugh, nasty memories. |
| [17:06:00] | coffee88: | Well, there is plenty of ice, but no.... |
| [17:07:00] | scopeuk: | sorry to be a pain is there a debian how 2 somewhere? |
| [17:07:00] | malaTG: | Every time I start my movie handler it asks if it should remove the movies from the database since the files doesn't exists but it doesn't remove them.... |
| [17:07:00] | madar: | hmm, root can't change the channel either |
| [17:07:00] | madar: | what does that tell us, hmmm? |
| [17:08:00] | malaTG: | Is there any way to remove them manually without screwing up the database |
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| [17:10:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v xris | |
| [17:12:00] | madar: | yes I see, it tells me that it's getting really late |
| [17:12:00] | madar: | time for bed, uhgh another day of this not working :( |
| [17:13:00] | Jasper: | sorry madar, I can't help you |
| [17:13:00] | madar: | oh well we tried |
| [17:13:00] | madar: | I saw something in a post about scanning not working in 18.1 for analog boards? |
| [17:13:00] | scopeuk: | wats recomeded partitionsetup for myth cant seam to fidn it on the wiki |
| [17:13:00] | madar: | maybe I should try out 19 |
| [17:14:00] | madar: | but for now it's to sleep, thanks everyone for trying to help :) |
| [17:17:00] | scopeuk: | oh well wish me luck i finaly got past the partitioning looks like knoppmyth screwed it up prety bad |
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| [17:17:00] | Jasper: | omg coffee88 how far? |
| [17:18:00] | scopeuk: | unfurtunately debain net inst is gonan take a while over this pitiful connection |
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| [17:19:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Don't remind me! Still no further along.... I keep telling myself it can't be long.... Up to scanwizard.cpp |
| [17:19:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [17:19:00] | Jasper: | there must be something wrong coffee88 |
| [17:19:00] | Gumby: | I am getting no sound out of one of my tuners (actually its not no sound but very low sound in mythtv, its fine in tvtime). the tuner in question is a bttv tuner. Ive been through alsamixer and set it up properly. Iget the following in mytyh logs "NVR: Error, unknown audio codec" |
| [17:19:00] | Jasper: | it can't take THAT long |
| [17:19:00] | Gumby: | Anyone have any suggetsions? |
| [17:19:00] | Jasper: | I'mm already at 39/50 .. |
| [17:19:00] | coffee88: | Maybe. But it is a very slow box with not much ram..... |
| [17:20:00] | ivor: | coffee88: well use a faster box dammit! |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper: | huhu |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper: | 41/50 :) |
| [17:21:00] | coffee88: | I know I know I know..... But it's in a bad place to get the disk out... |
| [17:21:00] | scopeuk: | wow how come debain is fetchign the 2.4 kernal |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper: | at install scopeuk ? |
| [17:21:00] | Jasper: | type linux26 at boot |
| [17:21:00] | scopeuk: | yep |
| [17:21:00] | scopeuk: | its already 1/2 done |
| [17:22:00] | scopeuk: | ive updatedthe kernal enough on my debain box ill be fine |
| [17:22:00] | Jasper: | hmm..then you have to change it later |
| [17:22:00] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [17:22:00] | scopeuk: | changing kernal is easy enough |
| [17:22:00] | scopeuk: | i should probably lable my cds |
| [17:22:00] | ** ivor kicks off a build for fun. ** | |
| [17:23:00] | scopeuk: | i have debain net inst knoppmyth and a slackware version of knoppmyth X 2 on top ofmytower ulabled |
| [17:23:00] | coffee88: | ivor: Don't you dare! |
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| [17:23:00] | scopeuk: | how come knoppmyth doesent instal lto hdd properly yet debain has no problems hey |
| [17:23:00] | scopeuk: | cant beat sarge for runign atm |
| [17:24:00] | Merlin83b: | Knoppmyth installed fine for me, and many other people! |
| [17:24:00] | scopeuk: | yeh it just hates me/yhardware |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | and your spelling!!!!!! |
| [17:25:00] | scopeuk: | yeh that probably doesent help |
| [17:25:00] | scopeuk: | and jsut think they let me loss on config files |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper: | haha coffee88 I'm gonna beat you... |
| [17:25:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:26:00] | coffee88: | It's just not fair! I'm gonna cry soon. |
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| [17:27:00] | coffee88: | cpu is grinding away at 100%..... |
| [17:27:00] | coffee88: | Can't ask for more than that.... |
| [17:27:00] | Jasper: | you're right, but still my cpu is only 200 mhz faster.. |
| [17:28:00] | coffee88: | How much ram? |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | 256 |
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| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | I think |
| [17:28:00] | Gumby: | not everything is mhz |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:28:00] | coffee88: | ditto. Hmmmm. |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | well yeah |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | but I merged 30 packages in the time he does 1 |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:28:00] | Jasper: | including gcc |
| [17:28:00] | ivor: | Gumby: yeah true, some are Ghz. |
| [17:28:00] | ivor: | :) |
| [17:28:00] | coffee88: | Did you paint red stripes on your box? |
| [17:29:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [17:30:00] | coffee88: | thinks he shoud get all him boxes to the same gcc version so he can use DCC |
| [17:31:00] | ivor: | coffee88: ah that's the beauty of icecream. they don't have to match. |
| [17:31:00] | ivor: | or be the same arch. |
| [17:31:00] | coffee88: | ivor: How much can they be out by? |
| [17:32:00] | coffee88: | And will portage use it? |
| [17:32:00] | ivor: | doesn't matter. the compiler gets packaged and sent around. |
| [17:32:00] | ivor: | no idea. |
| [17:32:00] | scopeuk: | do i need gui to isntall myth tv backend? |
| [17:33:00] | scopeuk: | just thinking of savign some ram |
| [17:33:00] | ivor: | finished. |
| [17:33:00] | ivor: | :D |
| [17:33:00] | coffee88: | ivor: NNNnnnooooooooo! SOAB! |
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| [17:35:00] | coffee88: | I'm guessing you didn't see where scanstreamdata.cpp appeared on the compile list?! |
| [17:36:00] | ivor: | no sorry. want me to do another build and look? :D |
| [17:36:00] | coffee88: | heh! |
| [17:37:00] | coffee88: | I swear I've seen some of this come past before! |
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| [17:37:00] | Jasper: | LOLLL |
| [17:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:37:00] | scopeuk: | ok not to be too pushy but is it possible to have a myth backend on a cli only box |
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| [17:37:00] | xris: | scopeuk: of course |
| [17:37:00] | coffee88: | scopeuk: I think you need X for the backend setup? |
| [17:37:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 I will take a look when it comes by |
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| [17:37:00] | Jasper: | so you will know how long it will take you |
| [17:37:00] | xris: | coffee88: that's what x forwarding is for |
| [17:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:38:00] | coffee88: | xris: True. |
| [17:39:00] | Jasper: | hmm did you guys unmerge before emerging again ? |
| [17:39:00] | alex777: | when does mythmusic get the album cover ? |
| [17:39:00] | scopeuk: | xris do you have havea alink to a resdonable guide for debain im kinda of fumbling in the dark tryign to get it working atm |
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| [17:39:00] | phoner: | hm, how long does a changeset take to be in svn mythtv code? |
| [17:39:00] | alex777: | because it got the album cover for an album yesterday, now it doesn't get it |
| [17:40:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 did you unmerge before emerging mythtv new version? |
| [17:40:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Nup. Just shut everything down. |
| [17:40:00] | xris: | scopeuk: sorry, I don't write those links down... only setup guides I know of are for ubuntu and fedora, and I don't know where the ubuntu one is. |
| [17:41:00] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [17:41:00] | coffee88: | Nooo! I don't want a HD signal monitor! you can skip that one!!! |
| [17:41:00] | Jasper: | 47 of 50 :P |
| [17:41:00] | Jasper: | hehe coffee88 :P |
| [17:42:00] | scopeuk: | any one know what the backend package is callewd in debaan? |
| [17:42:00] | coffee88: | Are you emerging mythtv yet? |
| [17:42:00] | Jasper: | debian uses marillat right? |
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| [17:43:00] | coffee88: | Nooo! I don't want a HD tv recorder! you can skip that one too!!! |
| [17:43:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [17:43:00] | Jasper: | does it hurt coffee88 ? |
| [17:43:00] | coffee88: | it's not doing my blood pressure much good..... |
| [17:44:00] | scopeuk: | why oes webmin deafult to only allowign local hsot to connect it makes no sense |
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| [17:44:00] | defaultro: | afternoon guys |
| [17:44:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: At least mythweb has already updated on the webserver.... |
| [17:44:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:44:00] | defaultro: | are you having issues download schedules from zap2it guys? |
| [17:44:00] | Jasper: | now that's something coffee88 :P |
| [17:44:00] | defaultro: | downloading |
| [17:45:00] | Jasper: | I wish I had issues and could use zap2it...I have to do with a grabber |
| [17:45:00] | defaultro: | k |
| [17:46:00] | Arkkis: | stupid xorg.conf, how on earth can it freeze my computer so badly |
| [17:46:00] | xris: | defaultro: what's happening? |
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| [17:47:00] | Jasper: | MUJHAHAHAHA |
| [17:47:00] | Jasper: | FINISHEDDDDDDDDD |
| [17:47:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:47:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: What?!?! Now I am going to cry. |
| [17:47:00] | coffee88: | Not talking to you. |
| [17:48:00] | ** coffee88 sulks. ** | |
| [17:48:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 not yet mythtv |
| [17:48:00] | Jasper: | just the update |
| [17:48:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [17:48:00] | Jasper: | now I have to figure out the etc-update |
| [17:49:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: hahahahahhahah That's where I catch up..... |
| [17:49:00] | Jasper: | : |
| [17:49:00] | Jasper: | you wisjh |
| [17:49:00] | Arkkis: | how can I kill X from console? |
| [17:50:00] | scopeuk: | stop x |
| [17:50:00] | scopeuk: | i may be wront |
| [17:50:00] | scopeuk: | wrong* |
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| [17:50:00] | Arkkis: | command not found |
| [17:50:00] | Jasper: | damn I have no idea how this etc-update works |
| [17:51:00] | laga: | Jasper: man etc-update ;)) |
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| [17:51:00] | Jasper: | I'm too lame to read all of that |
| [17:51:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [17:52:00] | ** coffee88 has to go pick up the gf... ** | |
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| [17:52:00] | Jasper: | should I just overwrite everything with the new config |
| [17:52:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [17:52:00] | Arkkis: | coffee88, gonna get new geforce? |
| [17:53:00] | Arkkis: | :P |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | don't forget candy and/or flowers |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:54:00] | kormoc: | and/or ram. |
| [17:54:00] | Jasper: | amazing |
| [17:54:00] | Jasper: | mythtv still works |
| [17:54:00] | Jasper: | version 18.1 that is |
| [17:54:00] | ivor: | yeah the petrol station will still be open for cards/flowers. |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | and/or other objects of affection, or whatever |
| [17:55:00] | ** kormoc votes for shiny shells. ** | |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | jewelry would work too |
| [17:56:00] | xris: | totally OT: Opening the RSA computer security conference this morning, Bill Gates told the audience he was especially glad to be there: "My other invitation was to go quail hunting with Dick Cheney," he said. "I'm feeling very safe right now." |
| [17:56:00] | phoner: | anyone know why changeset 8722 – avoid preview thing isn't working in latest svn |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | damn. Cheney coulda done the world a service |
| [17:57:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, shoot bush instead? |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | nah, Gates |
| [17:57:00] | phoner: | infact, it's never worked that I've seen |
| [17:57:00] | xris: | phoner: no clue |
| [17:57:00] | xris: | Beirdo: your bot really needs a trac plugin. |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:57:00] | phoner: | are those changesets not always put in the latest code? |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | that one might get tricky, but it's open for discussion :) |
| [17:57:00] | xris: | any mention of a trac link within a couple pages should have it print out a link... |
| [17:58:00] | xris: | phoner: depends on where the changeset was committed TO. |
| [17:58:00] | sphing: | xris: one step at a time... it really needs to not boot itself when theres a split |
| [17:58:00] | xris: | was it in trunk, or another branch? |
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| [17:58:00] | xris: | sphing: beirdobot? mythlogbot is something else. |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | the core will have: help, list, search, seen |
| [17:58:00] | sphing: | xris: ah... jumped in late... disregard my last |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | the current bot is a Java POS |
| [17:58:00] | phoner: | looks like in trunk |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | my new bot code needs my DSL to be working before I can really finish it |
| [17:59:00] | xris: | phoner: then it should be there if you downloaded/compiled it. |
| [17:59:00] | Jasper: | nooooooooo |
| [17:59:00] | Jasper: | my watch live tv stopped functioning |
| [17:59:00] | Jasper: | omggggggg |
| [17:59:00] | phoner: | hm |
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| [18:00:00] | ivor: | xris: re cheny, yeah everyones making a public speaking joke is doing the same gag |
| [18:00:00] | zero_ is now known as ZeroDiv | |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | he'll have fun finding hunting buddies now |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | "wanna go hunting with me?" "FUCK no!" |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | so anyways... |
| [18:02:00] | ** ivor waits with baited breath for Beirdo's next sentence. ** | |
| [18:02:00] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [18:03:00] | ** Beirdo falls asleep ** | |
| [18:03:00] | ** ivor runs out of breath and collapses. ** | |
| [18:03:00] | Jasper: | does mythtv automatically use livetv settings for livetv? |
| [18:04:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, nah, it uses the beeblop settings. |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | smartass |
| [18:04:00] | kormoc: | :P |
| [18:04:00] | ivor: | lol |
| [18:04:00] | Jasper: | ffs |
| [18:04:00] | Jasper: | my livetv just stopped functioning..and I don't have a clue why |
| [18:04:00] | xris: | Jasper: -v all |
| [18:05:00] | Jasper: | well |
| [18:05:00] | Jasper: | it just gives a blank screen |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | Jasper: again.... |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | -v all, and watch the console |
| [18:05:00] | xris: | it'll tell you the error |
| [18:05:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, run mythtvfrontend -v all from a console. |
| [18:06:00] | ivor: | hehe. what did you change? just update mythtv.... or every single component and package on your system at the same time? :) |
| [18:06:00] | diamon: | Jasper: Blank as in totally black, or blank as in the theme background and nothing else? |
| [18:06:00] | Jasper: | black |
| [18:06:00] | Jasper: | ivor I did a emerge -u world |
| [18:06:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [18:07:00] | diamon: | Jasper: Silly question, does pressing a keyboard key (I use ctrl) return it? My damn DPMI keeps turning on, giving me blank screens if I leave it to sit. |
| [18:07:00] | Jasper: | no, it's not a screensaver |
| [18:07:00] | Jasper: | wtf |
| [18:07:00] | Jasper: | my v4l dir just dissappeared? |
| [18:07:00] | diamon: | Starting or resuming a video frees it from DPMI (which isn't a screensaver), or pressing a key. |
| [18:08:00] | Jasper: | ok this is weird |
| [18:08:00] | diamon: | Jasper: Or, maybe features of your system got bored and wandered off, that might be aproblem too. |
| [18:08:00] | Jasper: | lol |
| [18:08:00] | Jasper: | my whole ivtv failed? |
| [18:08:00] | spiderworm_work: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . a6b2724719ac <--- please help me :) |
| [18:14:00] | defaultro: | xris? |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | defaultro? |
| [18:15:00] | defaultro: | xris, I'm back. mythfilldatabase does not complete. It always ends with http://pastebin.com/554625 |
| [18:15:00] | defaultro: | hi Beirdo |
| [18:15:00] | defaultro: | look at the pastebin |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | heya |
| [18:15:00] | Jasper: | anyone here know how to solve this...I did a emerge -u world ... and now suddenly my whole v4l dir is gone and my video0 and video1 device are gone.. |
| [18:16:00] | defaultro: | it started happening even i was using trunk .19 |
| [18:16:00] | defaultro: | right now, I only have upto feb18 sched |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | I think they are only feeding 3 days of data right now |
| [18:16:00] | defaultro: | ouch |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | heard mumblings about that being on their forums |
| [18:16:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:17:00] | defaultro: | but was wondering why I was getting that kind of error |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | EEEEK |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | my subscription expired last week |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | thanks for the reminder |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [18:17:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [18:17:00] | defaultro: | mine is on 3/13 |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | 2/7 |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | I was thinking "should expire pretty soon" |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | oooops |
| [18:18:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | my DSL's been out that whole time, so... |
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| [18:18:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:18:00] | defaultro: | did you upgrade to .19? I just did like an hour ago |
| [18:18:00] | defaultro: | seems pretty quick |
| [18:19:00] | defaultro: | i mean, response is fast when doing forward |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | I've been running SVN for a long time |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | so 0.19 is a non-event for me :) |
| [18:19:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [18:19:00] | defaultro: | i was using trunk to for a month |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | so right now, I'm about 3 weeks behind |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [18:19:00] | defaultro: | btw, i had an HD recording. Everytime I select it, mythfrontend crashes |
| [18:20:00] | defaultro: | just selecting in Watch Recordings |
| [18:20:00] | defaultro: | once it shows the preview on the lower right, it crashes |
| [18:20:00] | defaultro: | even in Delete recordings, it crashes |
| [18:20:00] | defaultro: | so I had to use mythweb |
| [18:21:00] | defaultro: | mythweb shows it's 6.8g |
| [18:21:00] | defaultro: | I should have kept the file so someone can dig the crashing |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | GAH |
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| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | they want to remove cast, crew, genre data?! |
| [18:21:00] | defaultro: | huh |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=801 |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | you likely have to login first though |
| [18:23:00] | Chutt: | read the thread. |
| [18:23:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, those were just initial thoughts |
| [18:26:00] | defaultro: | what about a cluster like server for each state? |
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| [18:27:00] | defaultro: | so we really don't need to patch mythfilldatabase right? |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | It doesn't sound like it to me |
| [18:27:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:31:00] | Jasper: | .hmm |
| [18:31:00] | Jasper: | found the problem |
| [18:31:00] | Jasper: | didn't complete etc-update |
| [18:32:00] | xris: | Chutt: kind of annoying. compressed static files would cut down on almost all of their issues. |
| [18:32:00] | xris: | let the clients handle the rest. |
| [18:33:00] | Chutt: | seems they're considering it |
| [18:33:00] | Chutt: | but they're looking for non-client invasive changes |
| [18:33:00] | Chutt: | probably due to the other 'developers' whining about changes being too difficult. |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you'd think that sucking down the entire lineup and filtering on the client machine would reduce their resource load... |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | but other developers are lazy, overworked, etc. |
| [18:35:00] | Chutt: | xris, and it does seem that bandwidth is more of a concern |
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| [18:35:00] | Jasper: | hmm my box can't run 9.6 I think |
| [18:35:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [18:35:00] | Chutt: | without filtering, bandwidth goes up |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | well, if they enforce compression and send pre-compressed files, that would help, no? |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | right now it seems compression is optional |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | and XML is highly compressible |
| [18:36:00] | xris: | Chutt: but with compression, it goes way down. |
| [18:36:00] | Chutt: | most things use compression |
| [18:37:00] | Chutt: | unless disabled specifically, i imagine |
| [18:37:00] | Chutt: | myth does, for instance. |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | which is a good thing :) |
| [18:37:00] | Beirdo: | they seem to like your work, too. |
| [18:38:00] | Chutt: | chris + rkulagow's |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, OK. :) |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | nice to know that mythtv's not on the list of hopeless projects that cause them issues though |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | at least not right now |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | some users likely are still bad though |
| [18:40:00] | xris: | yeah, they definitely put us at the top of the nice-performers list. |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | good timing on the release of 0.19, it seems :) |
| [18:41:00] | Jasper: | how can I see CPU load |
| [18:41:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | top? |
| [18:41:00] | xris: | Jasper: uptime or top |
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| [18:43:00] | Jasper: | how can I see the cpu load when watching livetv? |
| [18:43:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, watch it in a window? |
| [18:43:00] | Jasper: | because it goes to fullscree |
| [18:43:00] | Jasper: | ja |
| [18:43:00] | Jasper: | yea |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | ssh to the machine from another machine and run top in the ssh connection |
| [18:46:00] | spiderworm_work: | Jasper: you could also ssh in from another box, or use one of those process monitor that graphs cpu usage, or switch to a different tty while livetv is going.... |
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| [18:52:00] | malaTG: | A question that problably dont belong here but Ill try it anyway :-) does anyone know how to reset all settings concerning apache have screwed them up |
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| [18:54:00] | xris: | malaTG: rm -rf /etc/httpd |
| [18:54:00] | xris: | uninstall apache |
| [18:54:00] | xris: | reinstall apache |
| [18:55:00] | malaTG: | but it takes like mythtv-suite and other things with it |
| [18:55:00] | malaTG: | Just hit me maybe a reinstall? |
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| [18:56:00] | xris: | malaTG: rpm -e --nodeps httpd |
| [18:58:00] | xris: | if you're using an rpm-based distro (which I assume you are because you mentioned mythtv-suite), that will remove apache without checking for dependencies... then you should be able to reinstall it. |
| [18:58:00] | malaTG: | thx xris! |
| [18:58:00] | malaTG: | by the way great plugin! |
| [18:58:00] | xris: | :) |
| [19:00:00] | coffee88: | This thing is STILL compiling. I swear it's looping!!! Grrr. |
| [19:00:00] | scopeuk: | ok i gave up on cli backedn config requires the gui elemnts so im installing kde |
| [19:01:00] | coffee88: | scopeuk: Try evilwm. It's lighter! |
| [19:01:00] | scopeuk: | its already downloading and isntalling |
| [19:01:00] | scopeuk: | ill live |
| [19:02:00] | coffee88: | If I was trying to do that on the curent box I suspect it would be Christmas before KDE finished.... |
| [19:02:00] | scopeuk: | its only 600 meg and its mostly done |
| [19:02:00] | scopeuk: | its all the crap it installs along with it |
| [19:07:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how did you unmask the packages? |
| [19:07:00] | Jasper: | so you could merge them? |
| [19:10:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 still here ? |
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| [19:18:00] | scopeuk: | yay only 5 mins left on kde |
| [19:18:00] | Chutt: | Editor's note: Seriously. Chris does a good job writing this stuff up, and gets understandably cranky when he has to say "Read the README" 400 times a day. More detail is in this thread from the mailing list. --Baylink 04:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC) |
| [19:18:00] | Chutt: | why is that in the release notes? |
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| [19:18:00] | eka: | hi all |
| [19:19:00] | laga: | if you don't like it, just remove. maybe we can start an edit war? :) |
| [19:19:00] | eka: | what's the difference btw live tv and iptv ? |
| [19:19:00] | Chutt: | laga, i shouldn't _have_ to spend time on the wiki |
| [19:19:00] | Chutt: | but now i feel like i do |
| [19:19:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [19:20:00] | xris: | Chutt: is that the one with the link to the list archive? |
| [19:20:00] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [19:21:00] | Chutt: | I'm fixing it to say 'If you're having problems, see <this thread from the mailing list>.' |
| [19:21:00] | Chutt: | gets the point across, doesn't suck. |
| [19:21:00] | xris: | lol. I think Baylink needs some lessons in writing user-friendly messages. |
| [19:22:00] | xris: | and on-topic ones. |
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| [19:24:00] | kormoc: | eka, live tv it live from the tuner, iptv is tv via ip or the internet |
| [19:24:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Sorry. Back for a sec... In /etc/portage/package.keywords , put things like "media-tv/mythtv ~x86" witout quotes, and I'm pretty sure it's not media-tv either..... |
| [19:25:00] | D-side: | it is. |
| [19:25:00] | D-side: | if we're talking about unmasking the ebuild. |
| [19:25:00] | kormoc: | or rather, keywording unstable the ebuild |
| [19:25:00] | Chutt: | guess i'll have to edit the "news" items myself. |
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| [19:25:00] | D-side: | thats a much better point, yes. |
| [19:26:00] | D-side: | kormoc: i never claimed to be good at portage. :) |
| [19:26:00] | kormoc: | D-side, hehe, tis okay :) |
| [19:26:00] | D-side: | kormoc: so long as I make it work, I don't care either. :) |
| [19:27:00] | Jasper: | yeah coffee88 it was media-tv but it's complaining about the theme |
| [19:27:00] | coffee88: | doh! no pms!? Just tried to send you my keywords Jasper |
| [19:27:00] | D-side: | sounds like someone needs to register. |
| [19:27:00] | coffee88: | mythtvthemes doesn't have a "-" |
| [19:27:00] | Blammo[work]: | Anyone here have a (working) HD-5000 (new Air2PC) card under MythTV 0.18/0.19 and be willing to answer a Question about tuners? |
| [19:28:00] | coffee88: | D-side: where can I do that? |
| [19:28:00] | D-side: | coffee88: the ebuild? sure it does. |
| [19:28:00] | Blammo[work]: | [OT] we need a MythIRC that auto-logs in. |
| [19:28:00] | kormoc: | Blammo[work], a little hard to type with a remote |
| [19:28:00] | coffee88: | D-side: Yo're right. My mistake. |
| [19:28:00] | D-side: | echo "x11-themes/mythtv-themes ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| [19:29:00] | Blammo[work]: | Kormoc: lots have keyboards hooked up. |
| [19:29:00] | D-side: | and make damn sure its >> as opposed to > |
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| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 I keep getting the error all ebuilds that could satisfy mythtv-themes-0.19 have been masked |
| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | I tried unmasking it |
| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | by |
| [19:29:00] | coffee88: | I got it the workng way round. It's the only one that does..... |
| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | oh wait |
| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | it's an x11 themes |
| [19:29:00] | Jasper: | my mistake |
| [19:30:00] | Jasper: | works now |
| [19:30:00] | coffee88: | D-side: registering? where? |
| [19:30:00] | Baylink: | Chutt, you do whatever turns you on. I've put *far* more effort into this site in the last 3 weeks than my paying job really justifies. If you want to be a prick about not liking how I do it, you do it. |
| [19:31:00] | D-side: | coffee88: /msg nickserv help |
| [19:32:00] | Chutt: | Baylink, so, that comment in the _release notes_ was appropriate? |
| [19:32:00] | coffee88: | D-side: Sweet. Thanks |
| [19:32:00] | ** coffee88 goes to finish cooking dinner..... ** | |
| [19:33:00] | Chutt: | you honestly think it belonged there? |
| [19:33:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 I'm compiling now |
| [19:33:00] | Jasper: | will tell you when it finished :P |
| [19:33:00] | Baylink: | If I didn't, *do you really think I would have put it there*? What the hell kind of question *is* that? |
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| [19:33:00] | spiderworm_work: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . a6b2724719ac <--- please help me :) |
| [19:34:00] | Blammo[work]: | this isn't a commercial product, it's a loose-band-of-volunteers... it wasn't rude or crude... |
| [19:34:00] | Baylink: | Really, you're not trying to fix a problem. You're in a dick-size contest. Or you would be doing this in private email. |
| [19:34:00] | Chutt: | err, no |
| [19:34:00] | Baylink: | I don't *do* dick-size contests. |
| [19:34:00] | Baylink: | Err, yes. |
| [19:34:00] | Chutt: | i don't even have you email address handy |
| [19:34:00] | Chutt: | i don't know it offhand. |
| [19:34:00] | scopeuk: | damn x server is broken for some reason |
| [19:35:00] | Chutt: | also, it's extremely rare that i email someone directly |
| [19:35:00] | laga: | spiderworm_work: via chipset? |
| [19:35:00] | spiderworm_work: | laga: actually, yes |
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| [19:36:00] | laga: | spiderworm_work: that might be the problem, not sure, though. you'd better searcht eh ivtv mailing liss |
| [19:36:00] | laga: | lists* |
| [19:36:00] | ** laga needs a new keyboard ** | |
| [19:36:00] | spiderworm_work: | thanks laga i'll look into it |
| [19:36:00] | spiderworm_work: | you're the first one to give me any help whatsoever on that. tyvm |
| [19:36:00] | Chutt: | and how _exactly_ is trying to keep the wiki semi-professional and useful to the users a dick size contest? |
| [19:36:00] | malaTG: | xris : Hope I dont trouble you too much :-) But how do I get back the files that I had in /conf.d like php.conf ssl.conf etc? |
| [19:37:00] | kormoc: | malaTG, what did you do to get rid of them? |
| [19:37:00] | malaTG: | rm |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | malaTG: reinstall the programs that put them there... which in this case would be php and mod_ssl |
| [19:37:00] | kormoc: | malaTG, you can't... |
| [19:37:00] | xris: | kormoc: he wanted to start over with a clean apache install |
| [19:37:00] | kormoc: | well, other then that |
| [19:37:00] | kormoc: | ahh, gotcha |
| [19:38:00] | xris: | malaTG: just do the rpm -e --nodeps thing for php and mod_ssl, etc.. then reinstall |
| [19:38:00] | malaTG: | ok thx again :-) |
| [19:39:00] | scopeuk: | its amazing how much i can screw up a simple debian install |
| [19:40:00] | Chutt: | Baylink, so, you can't discuss things? |
| [19:40:00] | Baylink: | If that was all you were doing, do you really think I'd be reacting to it this way? |
| [19:40:00] | Baylink: | I am *working*. |
| [19:40:00] | Baylink: | I get paid for this. |
| [19:40:00] | Chutt: | for irc? |
| [19:40:00] | Baylink: | If it means IRC waits, it means IRC waits. |
| [19:40:00] | Baylink: | No, with a client, whome I'm *not* supposed to yell at, on the phone. |
| [19:40:00] | Chutt: | yeah, because i don't have a job |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | oh good GOD |
| [19:41:00] | Baylink: | Is he available to mediate? |
| [19:41:00] | Chutt: | stop throwing a temper tantrum |
| [19:42:00] | Baylink: | If you have a different opinion of what makes a useful, helpful and friendly website than I do, that's fine. Characterising the approach I'm taking in the unequivocally bad terms you are is not an approach I'll accept. |
| [19:42:00] | Chutt: | basically, i do not want personal comments scattered throughout my documentation. |
| [19:43:00] | Chutt: | the release notes were created by kevin as part of the documentation. |
| [19:43:00] | Jasper: | will emerging the new mythtv version automatically install mythweb? |
| [19:44:00] | xris: | Jasper: I'd suggest removing the old one first, unless portage keeps track of deleted files, too. |
| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | putting 'Chris doesn't like repeating himself' in the release notes.. is that a new feature? |
| [19:44:00] | Baylink: | If you're treating the entire wiki as "your documentation" then I've made a mistake, and my work here is done. |
| [19:44:00] | Jasper: | hmm xris too late :P |
| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | seems he's been not liking it since a very early release =) |
| [19:44:00] | Jasper: | it's allready halveway |
| [19:44:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [19:44:00] | Chutt: | Baylink, err, did i say that? |
| [19:45:00] | Baylink: | That's where people are *looking*. You want the "don't bug me" message out; that's where you put it. |
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| [19:45:00] | Baylink: | You're quite good at not "saying" things, IME. |
| [19:45:00] | Chutt: | um |
| [19:45:00] | Chutt: | sure. |
| [19:45:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: WOOOOHHH! Just moved onto package 3 now! |
| [19:46:00] | Chutt: | i have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | haha |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [19:46:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: The mythtv package has finished! How many hours was that?! |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | you're gonna be first then coffee88 |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | a lot |
| [19:46:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: still all the plug ins to go....... |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | I'm wondering how long mine will take |
| [19:46:00] | Baylink: | [14:42:59] <Chutt> basically, i do not want personal comments scatteredrn throughout my documentation. |
| [19:46:00] | Jasper: | it's at 1 of 3 now |
| [19:46:00] | Chutt: | read the next sentence. |
| [19:46:00] | Baylink: | That was what you said. |
| [19:46:00] | coffee88: | I suspect not as long as that! |
| [19:47:00] | Baylink: | 14:43:10] <Chutt> the release notes were created by kevin as part of thern documentation. |
| [19:47:00] | Jasper: | I HOPE NOT |
| [19:47:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [19:47:00] | Chutt: | and that equates to the entire wiki... how? |
| [19:47:00] | ** coffee88 gets called away for more "quality time"...... ** | |
| [19:47:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [19:48:00] | Baylink: | That implies, since the release notes were created as a page on the *wiki* proper, going back to 0.17 or so, and not as part of the distributed documentation, that you mean that the entire site is "your documentation." At least, that's what it means to me. |
| [19:48:00] | Chutt: | you're insane. |
| [19:48:00] | Baylink: | Nope. Not at all. |
| [19:48:00] | Baylink: | Not real hard to get along with, either. |
| [19:48:00] | flyr (n=flyr@io.visi.com) Quit (Client Quit) | |
| [19:48:00] | Chutt: | whatever. can i pay for english classes? |
| [19:48:00] | Chutt: | i'm not implying anything more than what i'm saying. |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | Chutt, Baylink: Any chance you guys could move your argument out of the user support channel? It's not polite to bicker in front of the kids... |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm, can we possibly move that conversation out of the user-support channel somehow? Sigh. |
| [19:48:00] | xris: | lol |
| [19:48:00] | Baylink: | Oh, we're going to descend into insulting my reading and writing now? |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | ooh, in stereo |
| [19:49:00] | Chutt: | sure |
| [19:49:00] | Baylink: | *I* didn't think so, but I didn't start the conversation, and it's his project. |
| [19:49:00] | Baylink: | I'm on -dev, and Isaac knows it. |
| [19:49:00] | Chutt: | you are? |
| [19:49:00] | Chutt: | yes, i commonly look at the user list of an irc channel |
| [19:49:00] | Chutt: | you were active in here, i spoke to you in here. |
| [19:50:00] | Jasper: | this is bad for your bloodpresurre guys |
| [19:50:00] | Jasper: | pressure even |
| [19:50:00] | ** Beirdo yawns and reaches for his coffee. ** | |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | shit, outta coffee. |
| [19:50:00] | Beirdo: | BRB |
| [19:51:00] | Kelerion: | will the internal movie player play .avi's that are currently being written? |
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| [19:51:00] | Chutt: | Kelerion, sure |
| [19:51:00] | Chutt: | might not be able to seek, though |
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| [19:52:00] | Kelerion: | oh... cool.. *gives it a shot* |
| [19:52:00] | Chutt: | and will probably exit if it does allow you to seek forward if you go past the end |
| [19:52:00] | Chutt: | you should at least be able to seek backwards over where it's already decoded |
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| [19:54:00] | Niklas_E: | hello, I wondering when you compule mythtv and want dvb for saterlite card, you usesed the path to linuxtv-apps-something and enable the --enable-dvb, is that all you need to do? |
| [19:55:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, you here? |
| [19:55:00] | Kelerion: | didn't work.. probably the format.. trying something else |
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| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, hihi |
| [19:57:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, I've been trying to get my xorg.conf working based on your code you shared earlier. For some reason my FX5200 is reported to be in 0:13:0 with lspci and still x tries to find it from 0:19:0. |
| [19:57:00] | Arkkis: | when I set the pci card to 0:19:0, x wont start |
| [19:57:00] | Arkkis: | any ideas? |
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| [19:59:00] | Arkkis: | when I had only two devices for the two display cards, I did not have any busid's, but now that I'm trying to use similar setup to yours, I should prolly define the busid :/ |
| [20:02:00] | ** coffee88 risks castration just to tell Jasper that he's up to 6 of 9, then runs back to the kitchen....... ** | |
| [20:02:00] | [Niklas_]: | which dvb driver should you use the one in the kernel or the one you uses (linuxtv-dvb-apps-1.1.0) |
| [20:09:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, yeah, you do need to define it to whatever lspci says |
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| [20:13:00] | rtsai1111: | does anyone remember a, for lack of a better name, "screen companion" called "Niku" or something like that? It was a pet cat that ran around on your root window. I can't find it anywhere. And "linux cat screen" is a very useless query :P |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | could be worse |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | could use a synonym for cat |
| [20:14:00] | laga: | kitty? |
| [20:14:00] | rtsai1111: | Beirdo: do you ever answer questions with a useful answer? :) |
| [20:15:00] | rtsai1111: | i suppose that wasn't really an answer, though. More of a comment |
| [20:15:00] | Jasper: | nice coffee88 6 of 9 |
| [20:15:00] | Jasper: | I don't know how far I am yet |
| [20:15:00] | Jasper: | let me take a look |
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| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | rtsai1111: I recall an annoying cat like that, no idea what it was called, and I seem to remember it from the windows world |
| [20:17:00] | rtsai1111: | Beirdo: yeah, there was actually a Linux port. |
| [20:18:00] | laga: | i remember such a thing from the windows world as well, it was a give-away by a pet food company called 'felix' |
| [20:18:00] | laga: | it was übercute :/ |
| [20:18:00] | Kelerion: | try XPenguins.. same type of thing.. was the one your thinking of call Amor? |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | it was uber-annoying to me :) |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | just like when a friend would run xsnow on my desktop if I forgot to xhost - |
| [20:19:00] | rtsai1111: | heh |
| [20:19:00] | laga: | Beirdo: your friends are cruel |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | coulda been worse |
| [20:19:00] | rtsai1111: | you got off lucky. We used "xv" on selected, um, jpgs and gifs from the interweb |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | I did one to a classmate that got him slapped by his girlfriend |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | xsetroot with a certain nasty picture |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | she was standing right behind him |
| [20:20:00] | kormoc: | xeyessss.... they follow you.... yes they do... |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, that was soooo mean |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | xeyes you can kill |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | xsnow you can't |
| [20:20:00] | kormoc: | you can't? |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | it never showed up in the stupid X client list |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | and so I couldn't tell X to kill it |
| [20:20:00] | kormoc: | killall? :P |
| [20:20:00] | rtsai1111: | i guess any root-window-drawing can't be killed |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | it wasn't my process |
| [20:20:00] | kormoc: | ooh.... |
| [20:21:00] | rtsai1111: | Kelerion: xpenguins, thanks. |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | ah the days of unsecured X terminals at university |
| [20:21:00] | rtsai1111: | Any more suggestions for wasting my CPU at work instead of compiling stuff? |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | seti@home |
| [20:21:00] | rtsai1111: | no eye candy |
| [20:21:00] | rtsai1111: | err, boring eye candy |
| [20:22:00] | laga: | well, maybe there is a source version of porn-get |
| [20:22:00] | laga: | kinda like gentoo |
| [20:22:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, but when i define the display adapter to 0:13:0, nothing appears on telly |
| [20:23:00] | Dibblah_: | Note to self: make -j 76 doesn't work too well :) |
| [20:23:00] | D-side: | haha that just sucks. i'm in biiig trouble at work. |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | it would on a 96-way machine |
| [20:24:00] | D-side: | rtsai1111: video encoding? |
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| [20:25:00] | laga: | D-side: what did you do? killed the backups? :) |
| [20:25:00] | D-side: | oh... i might have damaged some equipment... |
| [20:26:00] | D-side: | inadvertently of course. |
| [20:26:00] | laga: | ouch :/ |
| [20:26:00] | Beirdo: | with a baseball bat? |
| [20:27:00] | D-side: | Beirdo: bent some pins on a port on a mux |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be kicking it so much :) |
| [20:27:00] | rav3r: | i upgraded to .19, and i don't see in the setup options a path for my game roms? |
| [20:27:00] | rav3r: | and scan seems to do nothing, nothing in the log |
| [20:29:00] | mik3: | i have a problem, i upgraded to 0.19 and one of my video sources got mucked up. dumped the capture/channel settings, recreated everything. but a bunch of stuff got "recorded", but there are no .mpg's in the video dir, so i can't delete them |
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| [20:29:00] | mik3: | best way to clear them out? just delete them out of the database? |
| [20:30:00] | rav3r: | any tips on the new mythGame? |
| [20:31:00] | scopeuk: | myth tv andassosiated systems seam to have a devine hatread of me |
| [20:31:00] | scopeuk: | maby i should just give up |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | seems your kybrd hates ya too :) |
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| [20:32:00] | D-side: | its not his fault. |
| [20:32:00] | D-side: | he's been completely unable to type for months. |
| [20:33:00] | D-side: | scopeuk: admit it. |
| [20:33:00] | scopeuk: | yes i type crap |
| [20:33:00] | scopeuk: | ive admited it on many occasions |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | i'd love to help him, but his spelling gives me a headache |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | sorry :/ |
| [20:33:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: It finished while I was eating dinner... WOOOHOOO!!! Now just have to find teh time to see if it all works... Could be hard tonight..... |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | maybe it's easier for native speakers |
| [20:33:00] | rav3r: | is the game rom path setting in a different location now? |
| [20:33:00] | scopeuk: | d-side knows this from every chanel we've ever colided on |
| [20:33:00] | D-side: | laga: he IS a native speaker. |
| [20:34:00] | Kyler: | I finally made MythTV play nice with ivtv-0.6. I forced the saa7115 driver to these values (in saa7115.c). |
| [20:34:00] | Kyler: | Brightness = 160 |
| [20:34:00] | Kyler: | Contrast = 50 |
| [20:34:00] | D-side: | scopeuk: but, didnt you tell me once you've got a good reason for it? |
| [20:34:00] | laga: | D-side: i know, i ment understanding what he writes |
| [20:34:00] | Kyler: | Saturation = 64 |
| [20:34:00] | Kyler: | Now recordings look decent. The saturation was getting set to 127 by Myth so I'm guessing there's a misunderstanding of the scale. |
| [20:34:00] | D-side: | laga: yeah, you've got that right. |
| [20:34:00] | scopeuk: | i told you i had a partial reson in being syslexic but beyond that its jsut lazyness |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:34:00] | scopeuk: | if im too mushed up tell me and ill retype the message slowly |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | nothing wrong with dyslexia, but mixed with laziness it's just deadly! |
| [20:35:00] | scopeuk: | yep |
| [20:35:00] | D-side: | thats right, i knew there was a reason i dont crap on you in #m0n0wall. |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | scopeuk: i tell you all the time, dammit. get a spell checker |
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| [20:35:00] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [20:35:00] | scopeuk: | know a good windows client that has one preferably not gaim i hate the irc within gaim |
| [20:35:00] | D-side: | i think i'll migrate the mythtv install off of xen this weekend. |
| [20:35:00] | D-side: | so i can have it work properly and fully again. :) |
| [20:36:00] | ** laga now goes back to proof-read a paper writtten by someone who suffers from dyslexia as well but cares enough about other people to make an effort at writing well ** | |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | D-side: what doesn't work with xen? |
| [20:36:00] | scopeuk: | yes i did point out on the most part it's my lazyness |
| [20:36:00] | D-side: | laga: a few things. |
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| [20:37:00] | D-side: | i'm unable to get ivtv 0.4.x going with xen 3.x, so instead i'm on xen 2.0.7 (recently deprecated, with no further bug fixes being commited) |
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| [20:37:00] | D-side: | and soon i'll be throwing xen out the window entirely. |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | scopeuk: i don't know why we should put effort into helping you when you don't even put effort into writing properly so we can understand you. that's not a good deal for us. |
| [20:38:00] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [20:38:00] | scopeuk: | i will make the effort when asking for help |
| [20:38:00] | scopeuk: | feel free to tell me to bugger off every one else does |
| [20:38:00] | laga: | D-side: ouch. i read an article about xen the other day and it was all great. nice to have a look behind the scenes ;) |
| [20:39:00] | laga: | scopeuk: you probably can expect pity for your dyslexia (i know it sucks), but not for your laziness. |
| [20:39:00] | D-side: | laga: dont get me wrong, xen IS great. |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | scopeuk: and if i fsck up my next english class test because i picked up some of your misspelt words, then we'll have to have a word or two again... ;))) |
| [20:40:00] | laga: | D-side: but it doesn't work for you ;) |
| [20:40:00] | scopeuk: | laga i dont expect pity im not massivly dyslexic but i do know most of my problem is lazyness |
| [20:41:00] | Klatuu: | hrmmm |
| [20:41:00] | Klatuu: | is mysql 5 biting me with this 0.19 upgrade |
| [20:41:00] | scopeuk: | case of old habits are hard to break ive been a type first correct later guy for far too long |
| [20:43:00] | laga: | scopeuk: the problem is that you're essentially not only annoying other people, but also limiting yourself. wait a second.. |
| [20:43:00] | ** scopeuk nod ** | |
| [20:44:00] | Kelerion: | anyone know an ffmpeg command off the tops of their heads that I can capture full motion video from an /dev/video device? |
| [20:44:00] | laga: | scopeuk: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#writewell |
| [20:44:00] | laga: | scopeuk: and don't get annoyed at me for pointing you to that URL, it's a great guide imho |
| [20:44:00] | Kelerion: | I can't find anything obvious on google and what I can find doesn't work right |
| [20:45:00] | scopeuk: | im not annoyed its a good read |
| [20:45:00] | scopeuk: | first paragraph is very true |
| [20:46:00] | scopeuk: | migth tapeing my figners together slow myself down |
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| [20:48:00] | the_login: | hello |
| [20:49:00] | scopeuk: | hi |
| [20:49:00] | the_login: | need tutoriel to get mythtv work with a dvb-s card |
| [20:49:00] | Arkkis: | if I have an pci graphics card, and I get it running with X without defining it's address in one xorg.conf, can I somehow figure out the proper settings for another setup that needs the address in xorg.conf? |
| [20:49:00] | the_login: | i installed the driver of dvb |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | the_login: google is your friend |
| [20:50:00] | the_login: | Beirdo, i'm looking for tutorel |
| [20:50:00] | the_login: | any link |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | www.google.com |
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| [20:51:00] | the_login: | ok |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure there's plenty of info out there somewhere |
| [20:52:00] | malaTG: | hmmm a weird thing with mythvideo I have two entries that looks the same at least in mythweb and when I start my movie handler it tries to delete it from the database because the file is missing but it fails |
| [20:53:00] | Arkkis: | malaTG, I've had some problems with files that have special letters in their filenames in mythvideo, it does not clean them up nicely, letters äöå and like |
| [20:54:00] | Arkkis: | so far I've solved it by individually deleting the database entries from mysql |
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| [20:54:00] | malaTG: | No yeaa I had the same problem with åäö in 0.18 but 0.19 fixed that |
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| [20:54:00] | malaTG: | I have just one more entry to fix :-) |
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| [20:55:00] | Arkkis: | :9 |
| [20:56:00] | scopeuk: | ok im going to atemtp to switch over to a client with speel checking :-) |
| [20:56:00] | malaTG: | So you are sweidsh Arkkis :-) |
| [20:56:00] | kahuna_: | hi |
| [20:57:00] | Arkkis: | no |
| [20:57:00] | Baylink: | rtsai1111: the thing you're looking for is called 'neko'. |
| [20:57:00] | Arkkis: | finnish |
| [20:57:00] | malaTG: | ahh ok |
| [21:00:00] | Ferrety: | hmm, any idea why I cannot use pvr-350 hw decoder to decode dvb ts streams? |
| [21:00:00] | Ferrety: | works with mpg-ps |
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| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | no, use it to do mpeg2-ps |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's what it was designed to do |
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| [21:01:00] | Ferrety: | I am using it to decode mpgs captured with dvb-c card |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | hmm. |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | what does it do with them? |
| [21:02:00] | Ferrety: | the hardware decoder does not seem to work with them |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | dunno then |
| [21:02:00] | Ferrety: | I think it is using the slow fb-device (what ever it is called) |
| [21:03:00] | Ferrety: | I recall that 0.19+ mythtv wont support ps capturing dvbs, so that will be somewhat of a problem for me |
| [21:03:00] | Ferrety: | (my setup is 466celeron) |
| [21:03:00] | mik3: | mplayer with -vo xv might be fast enough to play them on the 350, depending on cpu |
| [21:03:00] | mik3: | oh |
| [21:04:00] | mik3: | probably not with that cpu :) |
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| [21:05:00] | Ferrety: | any idea how things will be with after 0.19? |
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| [21:06:00] | kahuna_: | If I change my nvidia driver do I have to recompile myth if I have XvMC enabled? |
| [21:06:00] | mik3: | maybe mencoder could remux the TS into PS and feed it into the pvr-350? |
| [21:06:00] | Chutt: | kahuna_, depends on if it linked to the xvmc lib statically or dynamically. |
| [21:07:00] | kahuna_: | Hrmm... I'll have to ldd the backend when I get home |
| [21:07:00] | Ferrety: | hmn, will that work with live-tv? |
| [21:08:00] | Ferrety: | meaning, how slow that will be |
| [21:08:00] | kahuna_: | Chutt: How does the myth compile process go about deciding to link statically or dynamically? |
| [21:08:00] | Chutt: | same as it does for any other lib |
| [21:08:00] | mik3: | no, i was just thinking of playing recordings via mythvideo. i'm not sure how you could squeeze that into the normal myth playback mechanism |
| [21:08:00] | rtsai1111: | Beirdo: neko, yes that's it (oneko in my distro). Thanks! |
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| [21:08:00] | Chutt: | if it's present in a .so, it'll link dynamically |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | that wasn't me :) |
| [21:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:08:00] | kahuna_: | Ok, that's what I though |
| [21:08:00] | kahuna_: | thought |
| [21:08:00] | rtsai1111: | Oops, Baylink thanks! |
| [21:09:00] | rtsai1111: | B<tab> somehow picked the wrong thing. |
| [21:09:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [21:10:00] | rtsai1111: | xsnow, xpenguins, and whole litter of neko things |
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| [21:12:00] | Jasper: | what's the differnce between ts and ps |
| [21:12:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [21:12:00] | Beirdo: | that's a google question |
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| [21:12:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [21:12:00] | Jasper: | will try google...just saw it...thought let's ask |
| [21:12:00] | Jasper: | :P |
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| [21:14:00] | ivor: | anyone with a VIA VM800 based board about? |
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| [21:17:00] | Chutt: | Cardoe, around? |
| [21:17:00] | Chutt: | Cardoe, need a description for the controls module? |
| [21:18:00] | Jasper: | I'm having the impression .19 takes longer to compile then .18 |
| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | not significantly |
| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | unless you include the new plugins |
| [21:21:00] | Jasper: | I'm doing the emerge |
| [21:21:00] | Jasper: | it includes themes I believe but that aint very big |
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| [21:29:00] | Jasper: | just for your information coffee88 I finished compiling |
| [21:32:00] | Jasper: | guys, I just emerged the new version... when I try mythfrontend I get a warning that it can't connect to the backend |
| [21:32:00] | Jasper: | but it is running |
| [21:33:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: It does run even if it can't connect |
| [21:33:00] | Arkkis: | Jasper, tried shutting down the frontend&backend, running setup? |
| [21:33:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [21:33:00] | kahuna_: | You can still do some things which don't require a backend (i.e. mythgame, etc.) |
| [21:33:00] | Jasper: | in the log it says: /mnt/recordings/nfslockfile.lock permission denied |
| [21:33:00] | Jasper: | unable to open lockfile |
| [21:34:00] | Jasper: | that's weird, I didn't get that before the update? |
| [21:34:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: what are your perms? |
| [21:34:00] | Jasper: | I run as root |
| [21:34:00] | Jasper: | at the moment |
| [21:34:00] | Arkkis: | Jasper, myth changed from root user to mythtv user, perms causing problems proll |
| [21:34:00] | kahuna_: | and what user is mythbackend running as? |
| [21:34:00] | Jasper: | ok |
| [21:35:00] | Jasper: | how can I find out on what user backend is running? |
| [21:35:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: ps? |
| [21:35:00] | kahuna_: | look at the startup script or any suid/guid bits on the mythbackend binary |
| [21:36:00] | kahuna_: | marco_g: not if it's not starting... |
| [21:37:00] | Jasper: | hang on |
| [21:37:00] | Arkkis: | hey, anyone familiar with the xorg.conf, help a mate in trouble |
| [21:37:00] | Jasper: | I'm gonna reboot |
| [21:37:00] | Jasper: | because /etc/init.d/mythbackend start said it was allready running while it wasn't |
| [21:37:00] | Jasper: | so I couldn't ps -ef the process |
| [21:37:00] | Arkkis: | tried killing it? |
| [21:37:00] | Ferrety: | try zapping it |
| [21:37:00] | Jasper: | there was nothing to kill |
| [21:38:00] | Jasper: | because it wasn't running |
| [21:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [21:38:00] | kahuna_: | Jasper: look for a mythbackend.pid file |
| [21:38:00] | kahuna_: | in /var/lock or somewhere similar |
| [21:38:00] | Arkkis: | anyways, if I run lspci, I get an address like this: 00:13.0 |
| [21:38:00] | Arkkis: | that address does not work as such, how to change it in order to set it to BusID? |
| [21:38:00] | Jasper: | I gave the dir chmod 777 so should work now anyways |
| [21:38:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [21:38:00] | mik3: | Arkkis, X -scanpci |
| [21:39:00] | kahuna_: | Yes, but not correct in terms of security. |
| [21:40:00] | Jasper: | don't tell me it has overwritten my complete database? |
| [21:40:00] | Jasper: | the update? |
| [21:41:00] | Ferrety: | Jasper: I think you might resolve your "allready running while it wasn't" with zap (instead of start/stop) |
| [21:41:00] | Jasper: | it works now |
| [21:41:00] | Jasper: | the backend |
| [21:41:00] | Jasper: | it was a problem with the rights.. |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, didja get it wroking? |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | *working? |
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| [21:43:00] | Jasper: | hmm ok...now when I press watch live tv.....it doesn't do anything |
| [21:43:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Did you run myth-setup? |
| [21:43:00] | Juski: | evening |
| [21:44:00] | Juski: | hmm thought I said I wasn't gonna be in here tonight. ack. so much for keeping up appearances then |
| [21:44:00] | marco_g: | +tv |
| [21:44:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: And did you add input connections? |
| [21:44:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, well, kinda |
| [21:45:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, now I'm having big problems with xinerama |
| [21:45:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, ooh? |
| [21:45:00] | Arkkis: | if I turn it on, kde wont start |
| [21:45:00] | Jasper: | marco_g I know how to set it up |
| [21:45:00] | Jasper: | I just changed versions from .18.1 to .19 |
| [21:45:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, what's the error? |
| [21:46:00] | Arkkis: | oh, did I mention "wont start", I ment, crashes so that my keyboard does not work |
| [21:46:00] | Arkkis: | takes a littlebit of time to recover =) |
| [21:46:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [21:46:00] | Juski: | had problems with a disk caddy just now... fan failed... dammit when the fans fail it takes itself offline & beeps loudly. now have a carefully suspended HDD in the chassis :-/ |
| [21:46:00] | Jasper: | Juski :P |
| [21:46:00] | Arkkis: | I have to ssh in there and... |
| [21:46:00] | Juski: | hey Jasper: all happy at 720x576 now? |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | yea verry |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | but I updated mythtv |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | and now the new version I can't watch livetv giving me an error |
| [21:47:00] | Juski: | cool. let the ivtv guys know scaling is borked again though |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | GetEntryAt(-1) failed |
| [21:47:00] | Juski: | nooooo! ;-) |
| [21:47:00] | marco_g: | Jasper: Ah ok, I am just trying to help. :-) |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 1920)failed to get pginfo |
| [21:47:00] | Jasper: | stuff like that |
| [21:48:00] | Juski: | Jasper: by 'new version' I assume you mean 0.19 |
| [21:48:00] | Jasper: | yea |
| [21:48:00] | Jasper: | I just emerged the new version |
| [21:48:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [21:48:00] | Jasper: | I can still watch recordings |
| [21:48:00] | Jasper: | but live television won't load |
| [21:48:00] | Juski: | weird |
| [21:48:00] | Juski: | can you make new recordings ok? |
| [21:49:00] | Jasper: | TV error: LiveTV not succesfully loaded |
| [21:49:00] | quitte: | are the .pc files the development files for qts .so files? i cant find any .h for some and am wondering if my qte is still ok |
| [21:49:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, what version of kde, what distro? |
| [21:49:00] | Juski: | quitte: that's a techy question for in here ;-) |
| [21:50:00] | Jasper: | no juski |
| [21:50:00] | Jasper: | can't record either |
| [21:50:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [21:50:00] | quitte: | Juski: #mythtv does everything to scare you away |
| [21:50:00] | Arkkis: | gentoo, kde 3.5.1 |
| [21:50:00] | Juski: | quitte: you're tellin me. I still can't stay away though |
| [21:51:00] | quitte: | ill ask #qt ;) |
| [21:51:00] | Juski: | time to look for new HDD caddies |
| [21:51:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, can I paste the error in your priv? |
| [21:52:00] | Juski: | Arkkis: put it in a paste bin or you'll get kicked for flooding |
| [21:52:00] | kahuna_: | #mythtv will still your offspring and drive you deep into madness |
| [21:53:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, sure |
| [21:53:00] | Arkkis: | I usually do not get kicked, as my client is smart enough, lets test it =) |
| [21:53:00] | Arkkis: | no kick? |
| [21:54:00] | Juski: | no kick |
| [21:54:00] | Juski: | lucky :-) |
| [21:54:00] | Juski: | pasted 5 lines into a priv on sunday & got booted |
| [21:55:00] | Jasper: | ok this is lame |
| [21:55:00] | Jasper: | keep getting error when trying to watch live tv |
| [21:56:00] | Juski: | try this: http://pastebin.com/554958 |
| [21:57:00] | Jasper: | oh juski, I decided to try the cat5 approach |
| [21:57:00] | Jasper: | could you maybe make a scheme of how you soldered it? |
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| [21:58:00] | Juski: | Jasper: it's quite involved |
| [21:58:00] | Juski: | built each half up on stripboard |
| [21:58:00] | Juski: | if the online schematics prove popular I might offer PCBs for sale |
| [21:59:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc is the king, he helped me trough the hoops of xorg.conf! |
| [21:59:00] | Jasper: | is there a way to see the mythdvd version on the system? |
| [22:00:00] | Juski: | Jasper: everything should be the same proto version |
| [22:00:00] | Juski: | or they may not work |
| [22:00:00] | Jasper: | yeah but I forgot to unmask |
| [22:00:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:00:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [22:00:00] | Juski: | oops |
| [22:00:00] | Jasper: | that's my problem right now |
| [22:00:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:00:00] | Juski: | so unmask & re-emerge -u it ;-P |
| [22:01:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, glad that worked for ya :) |
| [22:01:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Cardoe if you're there, I have about 2 seconds before I get hollered at. The upgrade went semi-ok, but I have lots of permission isues to sort out on old recordings etc..... |
| [22:01:00] | Arkkis: | hey, what font do you use in your console when inside X? |
| [22:01:00] | Arkkis: | I mean, I find many of these hard to read |
| [22:02:00] | Jasper: | coffee88 how's your live tv? |
| [22:02:00] | Jasper: | is it still working? |
| [22:02:00] | quitte: | fixed it. it was a link missing to libqte-mt.so |
| [22:02:00] | Jasper: | mine seems to have broken down |
| [22:02:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:02:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: non-existant |
| [22:02:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, Terminus, regular, 12 pt |
| [22:02:00] | Jasper: | no problems with livetv coffee88 ? |
| [22:03:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Can;t see it at all. |
| [22:03:00] | Jasper: | ah k |
| [22:03:00] | Jasper: | maybe me forgetting to update mythdvd makes my livetv fail.. |
| [22:03:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, where does one get that, do you use kde or? |
| [22:03:00] | quitte: | i asked a few times before – but as i still dont know – what is the status of saa7134? can it be used as a encoder or only as v4l device? |
| [22:03:00] | coffee88: | mythtv user has no groups, I suspect it could be that... Can't spend the time now to sort it though.... |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | quitte: it's a v4l device |
| [22:04:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: I updated mythdvd and still can't see it... |
| [22:04:00] | quitte: | Beirdo: shit :( |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | to the best of my knowledge |
| [22:04:00] | Jasper: | can't see what coffee88 ? |
| [22:04:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Live tv |
| [22:04:00] | Jasper: | so yours doesn't work either? |
| [22:05:00] | Jasper: | If you scroll up you see the errors I'm getting :P |
| [22:05:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, I use kde's konsole, aye. It should be included. |
| [22:05:00] | Juski: | some DVB cards are based on saa7134 |
| [22:05:00] | Arkkis: | weird |
| [22:06:00] | coffee88: | Jasper: Not sure yet, but I think I need to change perms. Being told I've spend too much time on pc's tonight... Have to sort it tomorrow. Search gentto forums for mythtv and I think you can find a solution that woksk.... |
| [22:06:00] | Juski: | doubtless one or two (unsupported in Linux) MCE pvr type cards too |
| [22:06:00] | coffee88: | works, even. |
| [22:06:00] | Jasper: | ok coffee88 |
| [22:06:00] | Jasper: | I'll sort it out for ya |
| [22:06:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:06:00] | Juski: | coffee88: sort the priorities out... geet SWMBO happy ;-) |
| [22:07:00] | coffee88: | Cool. Check back tomorrow night! later. Night all. |
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| [22:07:00] | quitte: | unsupported? weird. saa7134 is in vanilla kernel |
| [22:07:00] | dasOp: | I have a 7134 |
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| [22:08:00] | dasOp: | how can there possibly be dvb cards based on it? |
| [22:08:00] | dasOp: | its a regular grabber card |
| [22:08:00] | quitte: | dasOp: ah. great. and? can it be used as encoder? |
| [22:08:00] | dasOp: | encoder? a grabber just supplies a raw feed |
| [22:08:00] | Juski: | dasOp: the same way DVB tuners can have cx8800 devices |
| [22:09:00] | quitte: | dasOp: it si a encoder that can output mpeg-ts streams. look at the Readme.saa7134 in the kernel |
| [22:09:00] | dasOp: | Juski: I dont think I possess the knowledge to actually back my prior claim. :P can you please elaborate? |
| [22:09:00] | Juski: | and some encoding cards feed digital video from the likes of saa7134 devices into the encoder |
| [22:09:00] | Juski: | dasOp: the main video decoder (e.g. saa7134 or cx8800) sit on the PCI bus and act as the interface to the DVB bits ;-) |
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| [22:10:00] | dasOp: | well arent the dvb bits already in mpeg2 form? |
| [22:10:00] | Juski: | dasOp: yes, but the video decoder chip acts as their interface |
| [22:10:00] | Jasper: | but juski you think it will be possible for you to make a scheme? or should I go browsing the web ? :P |
| [22:10:00] | Juski: | Jasper: I'll get busy in my fave schematic editor soon |
| [22:10:00] | dasOp: | oh |
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| [22:13:00] | quitte: | ok. seems to me the saa7134 users out there that were happy it worked all didnt realise they actually had an encoder sitting in their silicon :( well if i can get it for about 15¤ ill get it and bug the devs about it. |
| [22:13:00] | Jasper: | I unmasked mythvideo also...mighht be handy :P |
| [22:14:00] | Juski: | quitte: you misunderstand... the saa7134 is a perfectly good basis for a framegrabber card. it also has uses in DVB & encoder designs |
| [22:14:00] | Juski: | that's not the same thing as saying the saa7134 can encode mpeg2 on the fly ;-) |
| [22:14:00] | dasOp: | it most definitely cant :P |
| [22:14:00] | dasOp: | if it can be used for dvb, all it can do is pass along the mpeg2 stream |
| [22:15:00] | ivor: | Juski: what's your fave schematic editor then? |
| [22:15:00] | Juski: | very true, dasOp |
| [22:15:00] | dasOp: | the saa7134 is an el cheapo |
| [22:15:00] | dasOp: | I use it cause I had it |
| [22:15:00] | dasOp: | and I'm still just testing out mythtv |
| [22:15:00] | Juski: | ivor: erm.. probably er... Proteus |
| [22:15:00] | quitte: | Juski: the Readme.saa7134 in the kernel quite clearly states it can output mpeg-ts and that it works |
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| [22:15:00] | Juski: | quitte: does it? oops, on their part I think |
| [22:15:00] | dasOp: | I sure aint gettin anything but a raw feed from mine |
| [22:15:00] | Juski: | read the Phillips datasheet |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: you expect them to read a well-written datasheet?! |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:16:00] | ivor: | Juski: use geda most of the time here. |
| [22:16:00] | ** ivor goes off to google proteus ** | |
| [22:16:00] | Juski: | proteus: PoS windows tool |
| [22:16:00] | Beirdo: | I wish I still had the whole Orcad suite like when I was at my former job |
| [22:16:00] | Juski: | never tried geda.. might give it a spin tomorrow |
| [22:16:00] | xpis: | A saa7134-based card may have an mpeg2 encoder on it – but I don't know of any that actually do. |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | orcad is a whore, but at least it works |
| [22:17:00] | xpis: | In fact.. I don't think *any* do. |
| [22:17:00] | Juski: | they won't let me have a licence for the big-boys' PCB CAD at work |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | I used to work at Cadence... they own Orcad |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | licensing was simple |
| [22:17:00] | Juski: | we used to use Cadence |
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| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | just call downstairs and tell them to give you a license code |
| [22:17:00] | Beirdo: | it was great |
| [22:18:00] | quitte: | ok. ill try to figure out why this went into the kernel documentation |
| [22:18:00] | dasOp: | 7134 with an mpeg2 encoder feels like a v8 in a polo |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | dasOp: now THAT sounds like a recipe for fun on the autobahn |
| [22:19:00] | dasOp: | I havent got any use for dvb without a ci and a cam anyways |
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| [22:19:00] | dasOp: | haha yeah |
| [22:19:00] | dasOp: | except that it'd prolly make the polo tip over if you break hard |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | or a BMW 2002 with an M-class engine wedged in |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | put an M5's engine into a 2002 |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | that would be fun... |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | of course, it'd never fit |
| [22:20:00] | Jasper: | how do you put the internal video player on ? |
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| [22:21:00] | Juski: | Jasper: change the line that says mplayer in mythvideo setup screens to 'internal' (without quotes) |
| [22:21:00] | Jasper: | and all the mplayer variables? |
| [22:21:00] | Juski: | em... I dunno how they apply to the internal player... just say internal %s I think |
| [22:22:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm outta here... and as my DSL is STILL borked (thanks so much, Bell Canada), I'll be back tomorrow when I get to work |
| [22:22:00] | ivor: | Juski: just put "Internal" |
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| [22:26:00] | Jasper: | is there anyway to output errors of mythfrontend to a file?> |
| [22:26:00] | xpis: | Jasper: mythfrontend 2>&1 > file& |
| [22:28:00] | Jasper: | can someone take a look at this: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/log.txt this is the error I'm getting |
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| [22:32:00] | dasOp: | -v all |
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| [22:33:00] | Jasper: | dasOp it's updated http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/log.txt with -v all option |
| [22:34:00] | Jasper: | 2006-02–14 23:36:47.620 MSqlQuery: SELECT chanid, starttime, endtime, discontinuity, chainpos, hostprefix, cardtype, channame, input FROM tvchain WHERE chainid = 'live-MythTV-2006-02–14T23:36:47' ORDER BY chainpos; |
| [22:34:00] | Jasper: | 2006-02–14 23:36:47.621 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [22:34:00] | Jasper: | do you guys think it's a permission error |
| [22:36:00] | dasOp: | that might just be an epg entry missing |
| [22:36:00] | dasOp: | can you record properly? |
| [22:36:00] | dasOp: | could be a borked channels table |
| [22:36:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [22:36:00] | Jasper: | I can't |
| [22:37:00] | Chutt: | whee |
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| [22:37:00] | dasOp: | are you getting any output at all from other apps like xawtv? |
| [22:38:00] | dasOp: | ie are you sure that your card works properly? |
| [22:38:00] | Jasper: | yeah they work fine...at least last time I tright |
| [22:38:00] | Jasper: | it started after the update to .19 |
| [22:38:00] | quitte: | i couldnt get mysql support compiled into qte. is sqlite enough? |
| [22:38:00] | dasOp: | heh |
| [22:39:00] | dasOp: | the docs say mysql, mysql and nothing but mysql |
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| [22:39:00] | dasOp: | what can you infer from that? |
| [22:39:00] | quitte: | that i should use mysql as my database – im not sure if i need mysql support in qt,though. |
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| [22:40:00] | Jasper: | you do |
| [22:40:00] | quitte: | :( |
| [22:40:00] | quitte: | damn |
| [22:41:00] | xpis: | Jasper: hm.. this started happening the first time you launched 0.19? |
| [22:41:00] | dasOp: | if you failed to get the mysql plugin compiled, you prob ably dont have the headers or the mysql client installed |
| [22:43:00] | xpis: | Jasper: try doing the SQL query manually that it is trying to do right before the error. |
| [22:43:00] | quitte: | at least i think i found out why i couldnt get mysql included. installed the mysql-dev files but not those for c++ |
| [22:43:00] | bagleabuse: | would someone be willing to help me with a video card problem? |
| [22:43:00] | Jasper: | yeah I did dasOp |
| [22:43:00] | Jasper: | it says 0 results |
| [22:43:00] | xpis: | bagleabuse: #xorg would probably be the appropriate place. |
| [22:44:00] | bagleabuse: | thankyou |
| [22:44:00] | Jasper: | it this a user problem or can I try this in #mythtv ? |
| [22:45:00] | xpis: | Jasper: errors are a "user" problem. |
| [22:45:00] | Jasper: | hmm that's too bad |
| [22:45:00] | xpis: | Jasper: #mythtv is for development discussion only. So if you find a bug in the code, talk about it there. |
| [22:45:00] | dasOp: | it doesnt sound impossible for mythtv to support other databases in the future. Qt certainly does. |
| [22:45:00] | Jasper: | well this prolly aint a bug I guess.. |
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| [22:46:00] | Jasper: | or maybe it is.. |
| [22:46:00] | xpis: | Jasper: it probably is. Can you tell everything you did from before the upgrade to when the problem occured? |
| [22:46:00] | Jasper: | xpis I emerged mythtv 0.19 that's all |
| [22:46:00] | Jasper: | .18.1 installed before |
| [22:46:00] | Jasper: | everything worked fine |
| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | then I did the upgrade...first error I got it couldn't enter the recordings dir |
| [22:47:00] | xpis: | Have you used mythweb? |
| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | becuase the rights were wrong |
| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | no |
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| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | don't have myhthweb installed yet |
| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | after I fixed the recordings dir |
| [22:47:00] | Jasper: | I thought everything worked again but when I tried to watch tv it failed |
| [22:47:00] | xpis: | Well, it looks like your database got screwed somehow. You didn't modify it manually, did you? |
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| [22:49:00] | Achew22: | hello all! |
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| [22:50:00] | xpis: | Achew22: you were having a problem compiling, right? |
| [22:50:00] | Achew22: | yeah, but I scrapped the entire box now I got bigger fish to fry |
| [22:50:00] | Achew22: | one is a whale... |
| [22:50:00] | Achew22: | I got a mobo that I really like and it has svideo out on it — but the xorg thingy is giving me errors and it wont go into graphical mode |
| [22:51:00] | xpis: | Achew22: Which chipset and driver? (this isn't #xorg, btw) |
| [22:51:00] | Jasper: | no xpis |
| [22:51:00] | Achew22: | xpis: noone is in #xorg — well noone is talking |
| [22:52:00] | Jasper: | well I can delete the database |
| [22:52:00] | Jasper: | and start over.. |
| [22:52:00] | Achew22: | I'm willing to take whatever help I can muster |
| [22:52:00] | Jasper: | xpis where can I find the mc.sql script? |
| [22:52:00] | xpis: | Jasper: that would probably be easier than fixing it. |
| [22:52:00] | Achew22: | jasper: did you mythfilldatabase? |
| [22:52:00] | Jasper: | when Achew22 ? |
| [22:52:00] | Achew22: | have you recently? |
| [22:53:00] | Achew22: | that fixed one of my database problems |
| [22:53:00] | Jasper: | I have a manual grabber which takes like 2 hours to grab |
| [22:53:00] | Achew22: | where do you live? |
| [22:53:00] | Jasper: | so I like to update as little as possible |
| [22:53:00] | Jasper: | netherland |
| [22:53:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:53:00] | Jasper: | netherlands |
| [22:53:00] | Achew22: | grats on your gold mettles |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | we rock the olympics.. |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | I could hardly believe we even had people doing the bob ... |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | I mean..we never have snow over here.. |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | we don't even have hills |
| [22:54:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [22:55:00] | Achew22: | yeah — someone told me jamaca has a bob team this year... |
| [22:55:00] | Achew22: | I want them to win, but they will end up loosing to the sweedish because their sleds suck |
| [22:55:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [22:55:00] | Jasper: | omg |
| [22:56:00] | Jasper: | I don't wanna delete my db |
| [22:56:00] | Jasper: | will take so long to update again :I( |
| [22:56:00] | xpis: | Jasper: back it up first |
| [22:56:00] | xpis: | Jasper: you may be able to restore your guide data |
| [22:56:00] | Jasper: | how do I back it up:? |
| [22:57:00] | xpis: | mysqldump |
| [22:57:00] | Jasper: | I forgot all these mysql commands.. |
| [22:57:00] | Jasper: | thinking I did a computer science study and forgot all this shit |
| [22:57:00] | xpis: | mysqldump -u root -p mythconverg > mysql.backup |
| [22:57:00] | Achew22: | xpis:The computer is svideoed to a tv downstairs so, can I do ssh to the box? will that allow me to send putty stuff to the box? |
| [22:58:00] | dasOp: | dunno if the jamaican bob team is worse than the luge woman from the virgin islands :P |
| [22:58:00] | Jasper: | ok done |
| [22:58:00] | Jasper: | and then I wanna drop the database right? |
| [22:58:00] | xpis: | Achew22: I don't understand your question |
| [22:58:00] | dasOp: | although she injured her shoulder in a training run |
| [22:58:00] | Achew22: | xpis: what commands do I need to do to setup ssh on the box |
| [22:58:00] | xpis: | Achew22: what chipset is your video card? (/proc/bus/pci/devices) |
| [22:58:00] | Achew22: | um... should I open that in nano? |
| [22:59:00] | xpis: | Achew22: You need to start openssh |
| [22:59:00] | Achew22: | okay — brb |
| [22:59:00] | Jasper: | did the layout of the db change with the new version? |
| [22:59:00] | xpis: | Achew22: sshd will probably work, if you have it installed. |
| [23:00:00] | xpis: | Jasper: yes, but conversion is done |
| [23:00:00] | xpis: | Jasper: it should convert from old databases fine. |
| [23:00:00] | Jasper: | yea but I mean xpis if I emerged the new version |
| [23:00:00] | Jasper: | will mc.sql be changed then.. |
| [23:00:00] | Jasper: | on my dir |
| [23:01:00] | xpis: | it should.. |
| [23:01:00] | Jasper: | so will I have the latest mc.sql :p |
| [23:01:00] | Juski: | there was another case of DB confusion today.. look at today's log |
| [23:01:00] | Jasper: | I used /usr/share/mythtv/database/ |
| [23:01:00] | Jasper: | so I guess gentoo emerged that to the new version |
| [23:01:00] | Greff: | Hi guys, has anyone experienced problem with myth where you get stutter on mostly black screens? I've had the problem on svn and now on 0.19. (2 different frontends, DVB, plays fine in mplayer) |
| [23:01:00] | Jasper: | at least I hope se |
| [23:01:00] | Jasper: | so |
| [23:01:00] | D-side: | pfeh. i dont know what to do with this. |
| [23:02:00] | Achew22: | is there a ipconfig command for linux? |
| [23:02:00] | Juski: | Jasper: was mythbackend running when you did the upgrade? |
| [23:02:00] | Jasper: | might be yes.. |
| [23:02:00] | Jasper: | stupid mistake.. |
| [23:02:00] | Juski: | oopsie |
| [23:02:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, ifconfig? |
| [23:03:00] | Achew22: | windows command that finds your ipaddress |
| [23:03:00] | Jasper: | what consequences will that have Juski ? |
| [23:03:00] | Jasper: | except for the database being fucked up.. |
| [23:03:00] | Juski: | Jasper: unknown |
| [23:03:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, no, wouldn't ifconfig be the command you are looking for? |
| [23:03:00] | Achew22: | so close... |
| [23:03:00] | Jasper: | should I remerge myth? |
| [23:03:00] | Achew22: | ipconfig is the windows version |
| [23:03:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, ... |
| [23:03:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, try ifconfig eth0 |
| [23:03:00] | Achew22: | on the apt-get list does anyone know if they have upgraded to .19? |
| [23:03:00] | Juski: | Jasper: if you don't have much to lose, just drop the DB, reimport mc.sql and restart mythbackend |
| [23:04:00] | Jasper: | yeah that's what I did |
| [23:04:00] | topping: | heh: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/14/hbo_targets_pvrs.html |
| [23:04:00] | Jasper: | but maybe some files haven't been replaced during the emerge because it was running is that an option? |
| [23:05:00] | xpis: | Jasper: that would be doubtful.. emerge should fail if it can't replace files. |
| [23:05:00] | Jasper: | k |
| [23:05:00] | Jasper: | will try first with a new database |
| [23:05:00] | xpis: | Achew22: did you ever figure out what video card you have? |
| [23:05:00] | Jasper: | see what happends |
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| [23:05:00] | xpis: | Jasper: Did you try to run a new (emerged) mythfrontend while the old backend was still running? |
| [23:06:00] | xpis: | Jasper: If you did, it should have failed to run due to protocol version mismatch. |
| [23:06:00] | Juski: | anywaz... bedtime |
| [23:07:00] | Juski: | night all. good luck Jasper |
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| [23:09:00] | Achew22: | "sshd re-exec " then something about re-exec requiring an absolute path? |
| [23:09:00] | Achew22: | thats what it returns when i run sshd |
| [23:09:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, why pass it re-exec? |
| [23:09:00] | Jasper: | if you don't knowwww....electricalllllllll |
| [23:10:00] | Achew22: | nevermind i booted putty and it just worked |
| [23:10:00] | Achew22: | that doesn't matter |
| [23:10:00] | Achew22: | okay... back to x11 stuff |
| [23:11:00] | xpis: | Achew22: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| [23:12:00] | Achew22: | http://pastebin.com/555140 |
| [23:12:00] | Achew22: | oops — xpis: http://pastebin.com/555140 |
| [23:13:00] | Jasper: | huh |
| [23:13:00] | Jasper: | No setting found for this machin's BackendServerIP |
| [23:13:00] | Jasper: | since when is 127.0.0.1 not working anymore? |
| [23:14:00] | Achew22: | ifconfig eth0 |
| [23:14:00] | xpis: | Achew22: lspci |
| [23:14:00] | Jasper: | I know my ip |
| [23:14:00] | Jasper: | but it's running on the same machine |
| [23:14:00] | Jasper: | so 127.0.0.1 should work? |
| [23:14:00] | xpis: | It depends on your setting in the database. |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, unless it didn't bind to 127.0.0.1 |
| [23:15:00] | Achew22: | xpis: http://pastebin.com/555146 |
| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, myth could choose to bind to all ips, or only to a few ips or to whatever else it chooses. |
| [23:15:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [23:15:00] | Jasper: | maybe I should execute mythfilldatabase |
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| [23:15:00] | Achew22: | is it possible to not bind to 127.0.0.1 and bind to something else? |
| [23:16:00] | xpis: | Jasper: so you have an nforce2 with embedded gforce4. |
| [23:16:00] | Achew22: | xpis is that for Jasper? |
| [23:16:00] | xpis: | er.. yes.. wrong nick |
| [23:16:00] | Achew22: | ohh |
| [23:16:00] | Achew22: | what should I do about it? |
| [23:16:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, yes, it can be bound to external only |
| [23:17:00] | Achew22: | weird.... I wish I knew more obut linux |
| [23:17:00] | xpis: | Achew22: Support for nvidia proprietary drivers is available in #nvidia |
| [23:17:00] | Jasper: | ok time to wait :( |
| [23:17:00] | Jasper: | I wish grabbers were faster |
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| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, what's your issue? |
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| [23:18:00] | Achew22: | kormoc: setting up video for nvidea chipset |
| [23:18:00] | Achew22: | this is my lspci: http://pastebin.com/555146 |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, and what's the issue? |
| [23:18:00] | Achew22: | I don't even know where to start setting it up |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, there's a document with the driver that goes over what you need to do |
| [23:19:00] | Jasper: | Achew22 it aint that hard |
| [23:19:00] | Achew22: | Jasper you forget... |
| [23:19:00] | Jasper: | just go to the nvidia site, grep the drivers....sh drivers.run |
| [23:19:00] | Achew22: | <-- = idiot |
| [23:19:00] | Achew22: | go there with what? my links browser? |
| [23:20:00] | Jasper: | lol |
| [23:20:00] | Jasper: | hang on |
| [23:20:00] | Jasper: | that's why I have a windows machine on backup |
| [23:20:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, ubuntu should have used the nv driver to allow you to get into X |
| [23:20:00] | Jasper: | you run a ia32 systeM? |
| [23:20:00] | Achew22: | kormoc how should I do that? |
| [23:21:00] | Jasper: | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . 178-pkg1.run <- Achew22 |
| [23:21:00] | Achew22: | just type that into shell? |
| [23:21:00] | Achew22: | or wget it? |
| [23:21:00] | Jasper: | wget it |
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| [23:21:00] | Achew22: | okay is there a keystroke to paste into putty? |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | at least not that I know of |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | how do you paste then |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | why are you using putty? |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | because I don't have mirc on that computer |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | its downstaris |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | ah |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | and I'm upstairs |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | try right mouse button |
| [23:22:00] | Jasper: | might work |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | nope |
| [23:22:00] | Achew22: | this is quite silly |
| [23:23:00] | Achew22: | why would you make a thing for remote administration that you can't paste into |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | right mouse button pastes Achew22 |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | try it |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | just type wget with a space behind it |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | and press right mouse button |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | in putty |
| [23:23:00] | Achew22: | it emulates an enter on my box |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | then get a pencil with paper and write the adres down |
| [23:23:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | Achew22, copy it first, and then right click in putty |
| [23:24:00] | Jasper: | kormoc I figured he did that? |
| [23:24:00] | Achew22: | I feel like a major tool |
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| [23:25:00] | kormoc: | Jasper, obviously he didn't :P |
| [23:25:00] | Achew22: | I was pushing center mouse before right clicking and that coppied new text into it (which was a bunch of enters) |
| [23:25:00] | Jasper: | omg..you should be able to put a ban on some words the tv-listing grabs...the worlds funniest animals...as if I ever want to see that |
| [23:26:00] | Achew22: | then execute NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8178-pkg1.run |
| [23:26:00] | Achew22: | ? |
| [23:26:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [23:26:00] | Achew22: | what should I run it in |
| [23:26:00] | Jasper: | sh |
| [23:26:00] | Achew22: | just typing NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8178-pkg1.run doesn't work |
| [23:26:00] | Jasper: | omg.. |
| [23:26:00] | Achew22: | cool |
| [23:26:00] | Jasper: | sh NVIDIABLABLABLA |
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| [23:27:00] | Achew22: | i'm on like day 12 of linux |
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| [23:27:00] | Jasper: | everyone has to start at some point |
| [23:27:00] | Jasper: | but this is more like system related stuff (not mythtv) :P |
| [23:27:00] | Achew22: | no laughing at me... |
| [23:27:00] | Achew22: | well — in front of me at least |
| [23:28:00] | ** kristok chuckles behind Achew22's back ** | |
| [23:28:00] | Achew22: | exelent |
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| [23:28:00] | Achew22: | thats how its done... our dutch friends need to take a lesson ;) |
| [23:29:00] | Jasper: | watching this tv grabber is really relaxing..just like compiling |
| [23:29:00] | Jasper: | oei |
| [23:29:00] | Achew22: | right.. |
| [23:29:00] | Jasper: | Achew22 how are you getting on? |
| [23:29:00] | Achew22: | much like the fish that I am |
| [23:30:00] | Jasper: | did the sh work? |
| [23:30:00] | Achew22: | no — i gotta paste into pastebin |
| [23:30:00] | Jasper: | ? |
| [23:30:00] | Achew22: | http://pastebin.com/555168 |
| [23:30:00] | Achew22: | get to that window |
| [23:30:00] | kormoc: | you need to install gcc |
| [23:31:00] | Achew22: | i apt-get ed it |
| [23:31:00] | Jasper: | :p |
| [23:31:00] | Achew22: | sudo apt-get install gcc |
| [23:31:00] | mofu: | anyone have a local time server working?? |
| [23:31:00] | Jasper: | yeah |
| [23:31:00] | Jasper: | I have a question |
| [23:32:00] | Jasper: | how can I get my system clocked synced to the atomic clock ? :P |
| [23:32:00] | dtm: | Jasper: enable ntpd |
| [23:32:00] | dtm: | the service |
| [23:32:00] | Achew22: | do I need 3.4? |
| [23:32:00] | Jasper: | cuz I did a recording....and it stopped before it ended |
| [23:32:00] | Jasper: | sooo lame.. |
| [23:33:00] | mofu: | Jasper: http://www.pool.ntp.org/, next best thing, they really don't like millions of PC's hitting naval servers |
| [23:34:00] | mofu: | I have my backend sync'ing to the ntp pool, very accurate |
| [23:35:00] | Jasper: | yeah was gonna use that one mofu |
| [23:35:00] | Jasper: | nl.pool.ntp.org |
| [23:35:00] | mofu: | netherlands ?? |
| [23:35:00] | Jasper: | yea |
| [23:36:00] | Jasper: | you look amazed.. |
| [23:36:00] | mofu: | just curious, |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | how can I resize a window in x? |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | I'm used to running only tv-out |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | so all my windows fall of my screen |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:37:00] | mofu: | like I said, I have my backend sync'd to the pool, trying to figure out how to sync to the local server |
| [23:37:00] | Jasper: | would love too |
| [23:38:00] | mofu: | Jasper: usually just grab the corner and drag . . . . or are you talking about Myth running full screen |
| [23:38:00] | mofu: | ?? |
| [23:38:00] | Jasper: | no |
| [23:38:00] | Jasper: | but I can't drag for some reason |
| [23:38:00] | mofu: | what prog? |
| [23:40:00] | Jasper: | never mind |
| [23:40:00] | Jasper: | just openend a new xterm |
| [23:40:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:40:00] | Jasper: | hmm |
| [23:40:00] | Jasper: | this is weird |
| [23:41:00] | Jasper: | I think my main emerge server has failed.. |
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| [23:42:00] | k-man_: | whats a good dvb-t card to get at the moment? |
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| [23:44:00] | Achew22: | jasper would you be willing to look my pastebin |
| [23:45:00] | Jasper: | where is it? |
| [23:45:00] | Achew22: | http://pastebin.com/555194 |
| [23:45:00] | Achew22: | sorry |
| [23:46:00] | Jasper: | you got apt? |
| [23:46:00] | Jasper: | are you running debian or? |
| [23:46:00] | Achew22: | yeah I got apt |
| [23:46:00] | Achew22: | ubuntu |
| [23:47:00] | Jasper: | try apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| [23:48:00] | Jasper: | I don't really know ubuntu...only debian |
| [23:48:00] | Jasper: | so I don't know if it works |
| [23:48:00] | Achew22: | ubuntu is debian based |
| [23:48:00] | Achew22: | so pretend its debian |
| [23:48:00] | Jasper: | did the apt work? |
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| [23:48:00] | Achew22: | sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-k7-nvidia-legacy |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | huh? |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | did you execute that? |
| [23:49:00] | Achew22: | i did apt-cache search and thats what it found for headers `uname -r` |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | did you try apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | try to apt-get install it |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | it should work |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | type exactly that |
| [23:49:00] | Jasper: | at least if it's debian based |
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| [23:50:00] | kgbudz: | has anyone gotten mythtv .19 off yum yet? |
| [23:50:00] | Achew22: | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.12-9-k7 |
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| [23:50:00] | Jasper: | search for kernel-headers then Achew22 |
| [23:50:00] | kgbudz: | i see .19 listed in atrpms, but yum isnt getting it |
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| [23:54:00] | kgbudz: | o werd, its not in 'stable' yet |
| [23:55:00] | Jasper: | wonder why.. |
| [23:55:00] | Jasper: | :P |
| [23:55:00] | kgbudz: | looks stable to me |
| [23:55:00] | kgbudz: | im going to upgrade |
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| [23:58:00] | Jasper: | sometimes you can't make it ...on your own. |
| [23:58:00] | Jasper: | Achew22 how is it going? |
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| [23:59:00] | Juski: | beep beep beep beep beep. another bloody caddy failed |
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| [23:59:00] | Pitchin_uk: | with the mysql database what permissions do i need on it |
| [23:59:00] | simcop2387: | i'm gonna pull apart x11vnc and make x11v4l, it'll make dummy v4l device for things to use, maybe even make an sdl v4l output, so that i could have mythtv doing pip with a video game, or even use mplayer like that |
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