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Monday, February 13th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] mofu: Themes are pretty much the same, I like the new MythCenter Theme though
[00:00:00] fdsd: using it
[00:00:00] fdsd: switching now
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[00:01:00] fdsd: we need to work on the OSD that comes up when your channging channels
[00:02:00] mofu: fdsd: what down't you like??
[00:03:00] fdsd: the look
[00:03:00] mofu: the default font is awful, I always change that, only other thing that bugs me about the OSD, is cutting off the decription
[00:03:00] fdsd: the font
[00:04:00] mofu: fdsd: Setup/Playback/On-Screen Display . . . .change FreeMono.ttf to FreeSans.ttf . . . much better
[00:05:00] fdsd: thanks
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[00:08:00] D-side: I'm a little disappointed I learned of the release via /., but yay all the same.
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[00:12:00] lotia: why don't i get the OSD for adjust audio sync
[00:12:00] mofu: lotia: its under 'M' here . . .
[00:14:00] lotia: when i pause i don't see the OSD anymore. what do you think i've inadvertently changed?
[00:14:00] lotia: the browse mode program info when watching livetv also doesn't show up
[00:14:00] D-side: haha. i suppose i'll make it a point to read the mythweb README a few times, just in case.
[00:15:00] mofu: lotia: I think browse mode is standard now because of the changes to LiveTV . . .
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[00:18:00] lotia: i realised that the OSD that i had set was no longer available
[00:18:00] mofu: i c
[00:18:00] lotia: i'm confused about why that would be
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[00:27:00] mofu: no firmware required for HD5000 ???
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[00:27:00] Chrismyth: Anyone ever have a problem with audio glitches in there recordings?
[00:29:00] MattC: digital or analog?
[00:29:00] Chrismyth: analog
[00:30:00] Chrismyth: about every 10–15 sec. it glitches and garbels for a split sec like it is try to resync with the video
[00:31:00] Chrismyth: video seems to skip at the same time
[00:32:00] mofu: Chrismyth: you're not maxing the CPU r u?
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[00:32:00] Chrismyth: dual 2.0 xeons with 1 gb of ram
[00:32:00] mofu: doubtful
[00:33:00] mofu: anything in the logs?
[00:33:00] Chrismyth: i didnt have this problem before but when I reinstalled this started
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[00:33:00] xpis: Chrismyth: that sure is a powerful enough setup for mythtv..
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[00:34:00] xpis: Chrismyth: what video card do you have?
[00:34:00] Chrismyth: no everything looks good only thing i have in dmesg I dont like is this
[00:34:00] Chrismyth: Linux video capture interface: v1.00
[00:34:00] Chrismyth: ivtv: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[00:34:00] Chrismyth: pvr 150
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[00:35:00] Chrismyth: ivtv loads fine everything attaches ok
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[00:36:00] mofu: Chrismyth: cat test oK??
[00:37:00] mofu: Chrismyth: also check mythbackeng.log
[00:37:00] Chrismyth: checking backend log now
[00:37:00] Chrismyth: cat test?
[00:38:00] JeffATL: ok, i'm getting a mythtv compile failure – see http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/l5I4uK14.html
[00:38:00] mofu: > cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[00:38:00] Chrismyth: oh it records fine
[00:38:00] Chrismyth: i can make a test mpg
[00:38:00] mofu: no playback glitches in mplayer?
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[00:39:00] Chrismyth: no i think it does it there as well ill have to check let me look throught he backend log real quick
[00:40:00] Chrismyth: hmmmm
[00:40:00] Chrismyth: [mpeg2video @ 0x68e1894]ac-tex damaged at 29 29
[00:40:00] Chrismyth: ive got that over and over and over
[00:40:00] Chrismyth: [mpeg2video @ 0x68e1894]Warning MVs not available
[00:40:00] JeffATL: trying to compile w/o distcc now
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[00:41:00] JeffATL: just in case that had anything to do with it (but i doubt it)
[00:41:00] mofu: Chrismyth: are you positive IVTV initializes perfectly??
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[00:42:00] Chrismyth: ivtv0 warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use version 0x02040011 or 0x02050032.
[00:42:00] Chrismyth: is the only thing in the ivtv section
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[00:42:00] Chrismyth: ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0
[00:42:00] Chrismyth: ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================
[00:42:00] Chrismyth: thats the only thing that look odd
[00:43:00] Chrismyth: should I try new firmware?
[00:43:00] mofu: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[00:43:00] Sudanmas: Quick mythfilldatabase question – When mythfilldatabase runs it's only pulling in 4 days of EPG data. Any ideas what I might try to fix the problem?
[00:43:00] mofu: not new, the correct version
[00:43:00] Chrismyth: Sudanmas: you can set it to auto update every night
[00:44:00] mofu: Sudanmas: date on your system right??
[00:44:00] Chrismyth: mofu you think I need different firmware then?
[00:45:00] mofu: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[00:45:00] mofu: yes
[00:45:00] rtsai1111: Sudanmas: the mailing list has been discussing this. zap2it is having load issues and they're temporarily scaling back guide data
[00:45:00] rtsai1111: (to 3 days)
[00:47:00] Sudanmas: RtSA – thanks :-)
[00:47:00] Chrismyth: mofu is a restrt required to install the firmware or can I just copy it over and restart my backend?
[00:48:00] mofu: if you remove ivtv and dependant modules then modprobe ivtv,
[00:48:00] Sudanmas: Where would be the best place to check for status updates on the problem?
[00:48:00] mofu: stop Mythbackend first
[00:48:00] Chrismyth: ok
[00:48:00] Chrismyth: sorry for any dumbfounded Q's ive only been using linux for about 3 months
[00:48:00] mofu: Sudanmas: probably Zap2it Forums
[00:48:00] Sudanmas: Np – thanks guys!
[00:49:00] mofu: Chrismyth: might be easier for you to reboot
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[00:49:00] Chrismyth: well im streaming and avi through xbmc on this server family might get pissed
[00:49:00] Chrismyth: an* not and
[00:50:00] mofu: so, shoud I not have mythfilldatabase in cron.daily anymore?? Is zap2it trying to tell the backend when to run mythfilldatabase again??
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[00:51:00] rtsai1111: mofu: yes
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[00:51:00] mofu: rtsai1111: yes, drop it from cron.daily?
[00:52:00] rtsai1111: yes, drop it from cron.daily and use myth to run mythfilldatabase (I forget if it's in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend setup GUIs)
[00:52:00] rtsai1111: assuming you're running 0.19
[00:52:00] mofu: ok, yep
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[00:55:00] solarium_rider: I don't know how to figure this out, but is this patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/8860 in the 0.19 ?
[00:56:00] mofu: solarium_rider: you're scanning ATSC? Cable or OTA?
[00:56:00] rtsai1111: I'm guessing it's in there; it was checked in about a week ago.
[00:57:00] solarium_rider: mofu, scanning ATSC OTA
[00:57:00] mofu: ok, I'd tell you to probably not waste your time scanning cable . . . unless you want to manually check everything outside myth
[00:58:00] mofu: OTA shoud be OK,
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[00:58:00] mofu: Anyone else using QAM256 over Cable??
[00:59:00] solarium_rider: mofu, yeah, i'm just trying to figure out a way to line up the channel names with zap2it so that they line up with the guide data
[00:59:00] ** braniff waits patiently for fc3 rpms of 0.19........ **
[00:59:00] mofu: I've done it for a 6 channel HD lineup off my cable . . .
[01:00:00] simcop2387: 0.19 is a heck of alot more responsive than 0.18.1 ever was
[01:00:00] solarium_rider: mofu, what kind of card are you using?
[01:00:00] mofu: hd3000
[01:01:00] simcop2387: anyone willing to comment on the quality of supported hdtv cards in linux/mythtv?
[01:01:00] solarium_rider: ahh okay, i'm using the Fusion HDTV5 Gold, no access to QAM though
[01:01:00] mofu: I have a hd5000 in another box, not working yet though, in progress
[01:02:00] mofu: solarium_rider: I haven't even tried OTA scanning Myth, otherwise I'd try to offer more help
[01:02:00] solarium_rider: simcop2387: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards lists the ATSC cards known as being compatible
[01:03:00] simcop2387: solarium_rider: cool, thanks
[01:06:00] simcop2387: hmm seems that playback of livetv is still iffy with some cards due to either cpu or (possibly i'd imagine, HD usage)
[01:06:00] simcop2387: though it would appear with xvmc its decent?
[01:07:00] mofu: supposed to be
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[01:08:00] solarium_rider: simcop2387, i have a Fusion HDTV5 Gold, nvidia 6800 ultra and a AMD 2500+ overclocked to 2200MHz, i can watch 1080i on it, but barely
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[01:10:00] simcop2387: yea seems like its just at the threshold of where i'd want it for my parents
[01:11:00] simcop2387: i'd need component in for it to be viable for them anyway
[01:11:00] johnsu01: So, I'm trying to get live tv working, with the wintv pvr and ivtv. I'm just getting a black screen, and an error about ringbuf2.nuv
[01:11:00] rtsai1111: simcop2387: I've got a HD-3000 recording OTA, works great
[01:11:00] simcop2387: not component, the three cable video one, can't remember the name
[01:11:00] johnsu01: the ivtv modules are loaded, and I've set the video source to be Tuner 0 with v4lctl
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[01:12:00] solarium_rider: simcop2387, i believe that is component, i have a nvidia 6200 that has component, though i've yet to test it yet, i used the dvi out to my tv
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[01:12:00] GvnMcCld: ok hopefully I'm just missing something simple here, but in my dmesg I get "failed loading decoder firmware" with my PVR-350, I copied the files according to Hyamms mythtv on ubuntu...
[01:13:00] mofu: johnsu01: pvr 150, 250, 350, or 500 ??
[01:13:00] johnsu01: mofu: 250
[01:13:00] Octane: anyone here have a change channel script that issues a SEND_ONCE to irsend per digit, instead of the entire channel?
[01:13:00] simcop2387: solarium_rider: yea i can't remember if component is the 3 rca cable or one rca cable video anymore, too many damn standards
[01:13:00] johnsu01: mofu: and I'm doing this on Debian
[01:14:00] mofu: johnsu01: still using 0.18??
[01:14:00] johnsu01: mofu: sorry, 0.18 version of what?
[01:14:00] mofu: Myth
[01:14:00] solarium_rider: simcop2387, one rca (yellow) cable is called composite
[01:14:00] johnsu01: mofu: 0.18.1–10, yeah.
[01:15:00] mofu: ringbuffer is gone in 0.19, permissions OK for ring buffer path??
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[01:15:00] simcop2387: solarium_rider: thats why i'm getting them confused
[01:15:00] johnsu01: mofu: yeah, owned by user mythtv
[01:16:00] mofu: johnsu01: what is the error from mythbackend.log??
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[01:17:00] atomjack: I'm having trouble compiling the latest svn of mythplugins – i'm getting this error: "main.cpp: In function `void playDVD()':" (and then some errors about class MythContext)
[01:17:00] atomjack: anyone have any ideas?
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[01:18:00] johnsu01: mofu: there are several errors. the first is unknown video codec
[01:19:00] mofu: johnsu01: have you done a cat test ??
[01:19:00] johnsu01: mofu: no. cat something to /dev/video0 ?
[01:19:00] johnsu01: err
[01:19:00] mofu: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[01:20:00] mofu: let it record, Ctrl-C, then play back test.mpg in mplayer or the like
[01:20:00] atomjack: ugh i even tried disabling dvd playback support and now it's doing it when compiling mythmusic
[01:21:00] johnsu01: mofu: Ok, doing that.
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[01:22:00] johnsu01: mofu: black screen.
[01:23:00] johnsu01: mofu: file does say that test.mpg is an MPEG sequence
[01:23:00] mofu: dumb question, cable is hooked up to card?
[01:23:00] johnsu01: mofu: yeah, it's hooked up.
[01:24:00] mofu: there is a valid channel 3 on your cable??
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[01:24:00] johnsu01: mofu: let me try a different channel.
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[01:24:00] SE3: Hey all.
[01:25:00] SE3: Does anyone here use a Twinhan DVB-S card? I'm thinking about getting the model 102G but I'm having difficulty findout out if it's supported.
[01:25:00] atomjack: aha! i had to do a make install on mythtv before i could do the plugins. whee
[01:25:00] johnsu01: mofu: I set a different channel with v4lctl to one I know is valid, and tried the cat test again, still just black.
[01:26:00] atomjack: se3:no idea, i use a pchdtv hd-3000
[01:27:00] mofu: johnsu01: I don't trust a card once people start probing it with ctl-progs . . . it defaults to Ch3 on the tuner when the driver loads
[01:27:00] GvnMcCld: "unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x.dec.fw" I can't seem to solve this error, I recopied to files multiple times and it still shows up, any ideas?
[01:28:00] mofu: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[01:28:00] johnsu01: mofu: ok, well, before I ctl'ed it, I was having the same result. I'll unload and reload the module.
[01:30:00] solarium_rider: rtsai1111, how do you tune in digital channels directly? for instance i don't have an underscore on my remote to tune 28_2
[01:31:00] johnsu01: scantv shows "no station" for every frequency
[01:32:00] Z-Morek: anyone else having issues with lirc on the svn?
[01:32:00] Z-Morek: I built last night after the .19 release from svn and lirc is functional but not interfacing with myth
[01:32:00] Z-Morek: irw shows the remote functioning and getting input correctly
[01:33:00] Z-Morek: but mythfrontend is not responding to the remote
[01:33:00] mofu: Z-Morek: you have /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc ??
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[01:33:00] Z-Morek: yup
[01:34:00] Z-Morek: using one from wilsonet from his fc3 guide
[01:34:00] Z-Morek: lirc was functional in myth before I switched over on the latest release
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[01:34:00] Z-Morek: before I was on rpms from ATrpms, then I migrated to svn
[01:34:00] mofu: irw still working?
[01:34:00] Z-Morek: irw is fully functional
[01:35:00] Z-Morek: and receiving input
[01:36:00] Z-Morek: and spitting out the buttons pressed
[01:36:00] Z-Morek: I don't want to rebuild with the newest svn to find it's still broken and I didn't fix a deeper problem
[01:36:00] Z-Morek: that's the only fix I see currently though
[01:36:00] mofu: Z-Morek: try 0.19 release version . . .
[01:37:00] mofu: lirc is working fine on my 0.19 built this morning
[01:37:00] Z-Morek: but the build takes so long
[01:37:00] ** Z-Morek whines **
[01:37:00] Z-Morek: my linux rig is not the most capable processorwise
[01:37:00] solarium_rider: is there anything i need to do to upgrade from 0.18 to 0.19? When i start the backend server it doesn't do anything
[01:38:00] Z-Morek: errors?
[01:38:00] mofu: solarium_rider: I think mythtv-setup might initiate the database upgrade
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[01:38:00] solarium_rider: mofo, ran that already
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[01:39:00] mofu: does the backend start?
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[01:39:00] Z-Morek: after I upgraded I had an issue with linking but that was related to my switchover from rpms
[01:39:00] solarium_rider: it appears to, but just says "starting up as the master server."
[01:39:00] solarium_rider: and i can't connect to it
[01:39:00] xanderp: anyone here using mythburn? I am getting an error about rewinding .wav files in my logs. has anyone else here run into that?
[01:39:00] Z-Morek: I bet my lirc issue is related
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[01:40:00] Z-Morek: solarium_rider: did you check the logs at all?
[01:41:00] solarium_rider: Z-Morek, yeah, that's all the logs say is "Starting up as the master server.
[01:41:00] Z-Morek: oooh
[01:41:00] Z-Morek: ouch
[01:42:00] Z-Morek: well I'm a bit too much of a noob to help you past that, sorry
[01:42:00] solarium_rider: Z-Morek, hmm just runninig it by itself instead of a service seems to give more results
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[01:50:00] Z-Morek: configure is not letting me enable lirc precompile
[01:51:00] Z-Morek: GRRR
[01:51:00] mofu: configure --help ??
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[01:53:00] Wembley: Hey there... I'm getting an error when I try to go to LiveTV
[01:53:00] Wembley: I have a 6200 box connected via firewire
[01:54:00] Wembley: and it does work when using 6200ch to change channels
[01:54:00] Wembley: but when I go to "watch tv" it just goes back to the menu
[01:54:00] Z-Morek: mofu: I think it's related to the fact that I'm using precompiled lirc
[01:54:00] Z-Morek: this problem happened before with lame
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[01:54:00] Wembley: and it returns the error "GetEntryAt(-1) failed"
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[01:55:00] mofu: Z-Morek: you update the kernel??
[01:55:00] Z-Morek: not in a while
[01:55:00] Z-Morek: for some reason the fact that I was using lame from rpms the libraries didn't exist
[01:55:00] Z-Morek: I wonder if the same is true with lirc
[01:55:00] mofu: Z-Morek: whatever then,
[01:56:00] Z-Morek: mofu: did you compile lirc on your own?
[01:56:00] Z-Morek: and did you compile ivtv on your own as well?
[01:57:00] mofu: lirc modules need to be compiled against the kernel, but if irw is working then they are fine, ivtv is also compiled against kernel source or headers
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[01:59:00] Z-Morek: for some reason though configure isn't letting me enable lirc
[02:00:00] Z-Morek: I run "./configure --enable-lirc"
[02:00:00] Z-Morek: and it returns "lirc support no"
[02:03:00] simcop2387: Wembley: do you have a guide setup or any channels?
[02:03:00] Wembley: I did the "download channels from provider"
[02:03:00] simcop2387: k
[02:03:00] Wembley: they do show up in the "edit channels" screen on mytthtv setup
[02:03:00] simcop2387: think you can paste the backend logs and frontend output to the pastebin
[02:04:00] simcop2387: k
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[02:04:00] Wembley: where is the pastebin?
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[02:04:00] simcop2387: http://pastebin.ca/
[02:04:00] Wembley: ok
[02:04:00] Wembley: should I use any -v options?
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[02:05:00] JeffATL: here is my latest mythtv compile failure – http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/KVqyId49.html
[02:06:00] Wembley: simcop2387 : should I use any -v options when I log the output?
[02:07:00] simcop2387: always a good idea :)
[02:08:00] Wembley: I'll do a -v all then :)
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[02:08:00] JeffATL: i'd appreciate any opinions
[02:09:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: 0.19 was released yesterday, MUCH improvment, but give me a second
[02:09:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: looks like an outdated version of ffmpeg/libavcodec
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[02:11:00] JeffATL: simcop2387: the 0.19 ebuild for gentoo seems to be hard masked at the moment, but having installed all the dependencies for 0.18.1, i might be able to get it going manually
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[02:11:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: i unmasked it with /etc/portage/package.unmask works like a charm not a single problem
[02:11:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: its about twice as responsive on the frontend now
[02:12:00] Wembley: simcop2387 : ok I posted it
[02:12:00] Wembley: http://pastebin.ca/41351
[02:12:00] JeffATL: simcop2387: can you same me some thrashing and tell me how that line should look in package.unmask?
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[02:14:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: http://pastebin.ca/41352
[02:14:00] JeffATL: simcop2387: thank you
[02:15:00] DreadPirateBob: anyone using a QAM capable card with HD over Cable?
[02:16:00] simcop2387: Wembley: still not sure but i am looking
[02:16:00] Wembley: simcop2387 thanks
[02:16:00] Wembley: simcop2387 when I start the backend it switched the cable box to channel 2
[02:17:00] simcop2387: there's alot more there than i remember there being with -v all
[02:17:00] Wembley: :)
[02:18:00] Z-Morek: AHHH I CAN'T ENABLE LIRC SUPPORT IN CONFIGURE
[02:18:00] Z-Morek: :-(
[02:18:00] ShockValue: nor disable caps-lock either it seems
[02:18:00] simcop2387: Wembley: is the date set correctly on your computer?
[02:18:00] Z-Morek: so any compile I make wont support lirc
[02:18:00] Wembley: simcop2387 yes
[02:20:00] phoner2: \
[02:20:00] phoner2: oops
[02:22:00] simcop2387: Wembley: does the backend have any output during 9:07PM? thats when the frontend fails but the backend log you pasted ends at 9:06
[02:22:00] Wembley: hmm
[02:24:00] Wembley: here it is:
[02:24:00] Wembley: http://pastebin.ca/41354
[02:24:00] JeffATL: simcop2387: ok, i seem to have gotten my package.* files squared away; emerging now
[02:24:00] Z-Morek: for some reason I apparently don't have libraries for lirc
[02:25:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: cool
[02:25:00] simcop2387: #
[02:25:00] simcop2387: #
[02:25:00] simcop2387: 2006-02–12 21:07:17.744 MSqlQuery: SELECT chanid, starttime, endtime, discontinuity, chainpos, hostprefix, cardtype, channame, input FROM tvchain WHERE chainid = 'live-red-2006-02–12T21:07:17' ORDER BY chainpos;
[02:25:00] simcop2387: #
[02:25:00] simcop2387: 2006-02–12 21:07:17.745 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[02:25:00] JeffATL: praise the lord for distcc
[02:25:00] simcop2387: whoops
[02:25:00] Wembley: simcop2387 right
[02:25:00] Wembley: thats the error message it returns... but why??
[02:25:00] Wembley: thasts what I am trying to figure out :)
[02:26:00] simcop2387: well those two lines seem to be the important ones, try doing it in mysql yourself and see whats going on?
[02:26:00] Wembley: hmm
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[02:27:00] simcop2387: it'll be with the mythconverg database
[02:27:00] Wembley: I don't know enough sql...
[02:27:00] simcop2387: ah
[02:28:00] JeffATL: one target box and four distcc nodes in the house
[02:28:00] simcop2387: hmm honestly i'm not sure whats going on there (i know little of the internals of mythtv)
[02:29:00] Z-Morek: so if I compile lirc on my own and install over the rpm install will this cause issues?
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[02:29:00] simcop2387: i know theres a number of other people in here who might be able to help when they come around
[02:29:00] Wembley: when I type that command into MySql it returns an empty set
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[02:30:00] JeffATL: okay, this is a little unnerving – mythtv compile has just...stopped...
[02:31:00] JeffATL: ok, there it went – whew
[02:31:00] simcop2387: Wembley: sounds like the database might not be setup properly, did you do those steps?
[02:31:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: heh, sounds like everything was just syncing together again, distcc will finish off a directory and make will wait on the results before going on to the next one
[02:31:00] Wembley: yes
[02:31:00] simcop2387: hmm
[02:31:00] Cromz: Z-Morek, ya I just got through that part too.. had to get recompile lirc. I guess I did it via rpm's last time. :/ now it's says it's adding it.
[02:32:00] JeffATL: one of the nodes – the fastest one – is behind me and i can hear its fans slow down when it gets a load over the lan
[02:32:00] D-side: Cardoe: you move fast.
[02:32:00] simcop2387: lol
[02:32:00] JeffATL: it was just that i had the distcc monitor up and it had stopped showing stuff also
[02:32:00] D-side: Cardoe: i just saw the announcement a while ago, and just now setup a xen vm to test the ebuild in. :)
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[02:33:00] braniff: hmm..... "# kill -9 <procid>" (as root) isn't killing my process.... how do i kill it ??
[02:33:00] mofu: D-side: can you assign PCI hardware to xen VM's ??
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[02:34:00] Z-Morek: Cromz: did you remove lirc in apt before compiling and installing?
[02:34:00] D-side: with (the now unsupported) 2.0.7 version, yes.
[02:35:00] ummm: ok, this should be an easy one.. how do i enable automatic transcoding? i can't seem to find the option?
[02:35:00] D-side: the latest release (currently stable) 3.0, i think its pending re-inclusion
[02:35:00] D-side: mofu: so the answer is really along the lines of "wait a while before putting it into production"
[02:35:00] D-side: I wish I had. :)
[02:35:00] Cromz: Z-Morek, naw.
[02:35:00] Z-Morek: nor will I
[02:36:00] Z-Morek: aww
[02:36:00] Z-Morek: now I gotta recomplie myth
[02:36:00] Z-Morek: :-(
[02:36:00] Cromz: Z-Morek, it said yes this time tho :) ya..
[02:36:00] Z-Morek: yeah I got lirc support yes
[02:36:00] ummm: anyone? i checked the wiki under transcoding, but it didn't say
[02:37:00] Z-Morek: this is why noobs hate linux
[02:37:00] Z-Morek: and only the 1337 can handle it
[02:37:00] Z-Morek: command line is intense
[02:38:00] Cromz: next will be the plugins.. ./configure --enable-trancode  :/
[02:38:00] Cromz: lol
[02:38:00] Z-Morek: since I migrated I haven't even touched plugins
[02:38:00] Z-Morek: I never use them anyways
[02:38:00] xpis: Hm.. slashdot rejected my prompt story last night that linked to coral cache instead of the wiki... but they accepted a story today that links directly to the wiki. And this story just copies the "major features" from the release notes. To try to understand slashdot would be to waste one's time.
[02:38:00] Z-Morek: I gotta figure out why when I compiled and installed the themes it didn't work
[02:39:00] Z-Morek: slashdot is dead to me
[02:39:00] Z-Morek: I've moved onto digg
[02:39:00] ** braniff 's post as Anonymous Coward today has yet to be moderated : / **
[02:39:00] Z-Morek: much more interesting stories on digg
[02:39:00] braniff: still score of 0
[02:39:00] Cromz: Z-Morek, you dont watch dvd's? and *cough* rip the ones you own.
[02:39:00] Z-Morek: Cromz: I don't really own dvds.........
[02:40:00] Z-Morek: and when I tried watching dvds on my myth rig on a previous version I was disenchanted
[02:40:00] Z-Morek: the remote couldn't even change the volume when playing the dvd
[02:40:00] Z-Morek: so I gave up on that
[02:40:00] Z-Morek: plus the tv I have attached to my mythrig is the one in my room which is small
[02:40:00] Cromz: that's just tweaking the lirc files.
[02:40:00] Z-Morek: I watch dvds on the family tv
[02:41:00] Z-Morek: that was before I discovered ssh though, I might go into it now that I can EASILY do command line for the mythrig
[02:42:00] Z-Morek: before I was squinting at a small tv from 1 foot away or else I couldn't reach the keyboard attached
[02:42:00] Z-Morek: and the tv isn't clear enough to navigate bash easily
[02:42:00] Z-Morek: so now I ssh from my windows rig using putty
[02:42:00] Z-Morek: SO much easier
[02:42:00] ummm: really? mythtv doesn't support transcoding unless you specifically enable it during compile time? i haven't seen that anywhere, except for mythdvd
[02:43:00] simcop2387: how do i setup mythdvd to use the internal player?
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: hey..... how do u extend the IR cable for my pvr-150?
[02:43:00] Z-Morek: I can follow directions in one window and command line in the other
[02:43:00] simcop2387: Yellow-Snow: batteries
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: sim what?
[02:44:00] Z-Morek: Yellow-Snow: the ir cable that came with the pvr is as far as I know unique
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: wha?
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i add more wire
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: is what i am asking
[02:44:00] Z-Morek: as in you can't really get them anywhere else
[02:44:00] mofu: Z-Morek: in OS X I have transparent terminal windows that I can read direction through . . .
[02:44:00] Z-Morek: cut it open and add more wires?
[02:44:00] Z-Morek: mofu: I loathe you
[02:44:00] mofu: lol
[02:44:00] Yellow-Snow: er add more wire to make it longer
[02:45:00] Yellow-Snow: what type of wire is it
[02:45:00] Z-Morek: that's up to you to discover
[02:45:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[02:45:00] Yellow-Snow: damn
[02:45:00] Z-Morek: when you strip it the wires MIGHT be labelled
[02:45:00] Z-Morek: and your trip to radio shack can be much more fruitful
[02:45:00] ummm: ok, noone has enabled auto-transcoding for automatic post processing of a recorded show before?
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[02:46:00] braniff: the Lithuanian Edition of the PVR-150 has a 10 meter long wire
[02:46:00] Z-Morek: my pvr-250 came with a wire that's about as long as my arm
[02:46:00] Z-Morek: not 10 meters by a long shot
[02:47:00] Z-Morek: ummm: I'm sure if you google around you should find SOMETHING
[02:47:00] mofu: 10 meters? as in 30 feet??
[02:47:00] Z-Morek: as in freakin long
[02:47:00] braniff: so just drive to Lithuania and buy the PVR-150
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[02:48:00] braniff: The Lithuanian Edition also comes with a free unicorn
[02:48:00] ShockValue: anyone here ever built a car computer?
[02:48:00] Z-Morek: always dreamed on building one
[02:48:00] mofu: ShockValue: in progress .. . .
[02:48:00] Yellow-Snow: same
[02:48:00] ummm: Z-Morek, i did google, and was pointed to a mythtv.org page that said the following:
[02:48:00] ummm: To enable automatic transcoding, do the following: start the setup program under the host-specific settings: set the Transcoder Auto-run checkbox
[02:48:00] ShockValue: i'd really like to have all my music at my fingertips while driving.
[02:48:00] ummm: i did not see such an option
[02:49:00] ummm: perhaps i'm looking in the wrong location, since there really wasn't a menu option that said "Host-Specific Settings"
[02:50:00] Z-Morek: it says start the setup program
[02:50:00] ummm: did that
[02:50:00] Z-Morek: as in mythtv-setup right?
[02:50:00] ummm: correct
[02:50:00] Z-Morek: I can't easily access my mythrig right now to check it out
[02:50:00] xpis: Why was the mpeg2 lossless clipping not included in the release notes? It's a major improvement.
[02:51:00] Z-Morek: if google doesn't work I suggest searching the wilsonet guide
[02:51:00] Z-Morek: the wiki
[02:51:00] Z-Morek: or the knoppmyth forums
[02:51:00] mofu: xpis: its there someplace, i remember seeing it
[02:51:00] xpis: People on slashdot don't see much improvement. Popup keyboard and changing ending times?
[02:51:00] D-side: lossless clipping?
[02:51:00] xpis: mofu: it should have been at the top
[02:51:00] ummm: i checked the wiki.. wasn't there either
[02:51:00] xpis: D-side: mythtranscode can cut commercials from mpeg2 files without transcoding them to mpeg4
[02:52:00] braniff: damn slashdot....<grumble>
[02:52:00] D-side: er, differently than how nuvexport does it?
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[02:52:00] xpis: I just posted a comment on slashdot telling people the real improvements. It always seems to take this, as they don't take the story that was submitted by the people who know something.
[02:52:00] Z-Morek: ooooooooookay recompiled reinstalled
[02:52:00] xpis: D-side: yes
[02:52:00] Z-Morek: rebooting....
[02:52:00] ummm: wilsonet only mentions transcode in reference to mythdvd, not mythtv
[02:53:00] D-side: xpis: are there docs that explain this, so i dont have to ask stupid questions?
[02:53:00] D-side: or, i can just drop it
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[02:53:00] Discipulus: there are mythtv boxes for sale on ebay for 700 dollars
[02:53:00] Discipulus: I thought it cost more than that to build one
[02:54:00] xpis: D-side: it will happen when you use mythtranscode to delete flagged commercials
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[02:54:00] ** braniff built one for $400 **
[02:54:00] ** xpis built one for $150 **
[02:54:00] D-side: interesting. i've never actually used mythtranscode (other than if nuvexport calls it)
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[02:55:00] D-side: over all, i've spent quite a bit more than those numbers put together on my mythtv box. :)
[02:55:00] Discipulus: http://cgi.ebay.com/MythTV-Digital-Video-Syst . . . cmdZViewItem
[02:55:00] Z-Morek: CRAP
[02:55:00] Z-Morek: remote doesn't work
[02:55:00] Discipulus: it lacks lirc though
[02:55:00] Discipulus: it uses a remote keyboard
[02:55:00] braniff: Z-Morek, are you logged in as the correct user ?
[02:56:00] sanmarcos: Hello I was wondering if you guys (and girls) could recommend me a TV Tuner card for using MythTV, I dont plan on using Dual Tuners, and I was *really* considering buying Hauppauge WinTV PVR 350, do you guys recommend it? what are your experiences with it? Note that I am an experienced linux user, and Ive already researched on how to install it.
[02:56:00] braniff: that is...the one with the right .lircrc
[02:56:00] xpis: What a ripoff
[02:56:00] Yellow-Snow: i use 150
[02:56:00] Yellow-Snow: pvr-150 60$
[02:56:00] Z-Morek: braniff: to summarize my issue, I migrated from rpms to svn
[02:56:00] sanmarcos: Yellow-Snow: is it good? Ive heard the 350 is the high end version or something
[02:56:00] Z-Morek: everything was configured and running smoothly
[02:56:00] Yellow-Snow: sure more money is better
[02:57:00] sanmarcos: I like the fact that it does the encoding/decoding on the card, very good for low processing power CPU
[02:57:00] Yellow-Snow: but imo my 20 inch tv its fine
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[02:57:00] Sithik: hey all
[02:57:00] Yellow-Snow: and for my dads 60 inch i could recorder higher quality and it would be fine
[02:57:00] D-side: $700?
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[02:57:00] D-side: good lord.
[02:57:00] Z-Morek: as of now though, upon comiling on my own it doesn't work
[02:57:00] Sithik: couple questions...
[02:57:00] sanmarcos: also, another question, out of curiousity, can MythTV handle input being from a V4L device such as webcam ? for testing
[02:57:00] xpis: sanmarcos: the 350 has a mpeg2 hardware decoder with TV out. If you are planning on putting any sort of processor and video card at all in, you probably dont need it.
[02:57:00] Sithik: i see theres a mythtv for xbox?
[02:57:00] D-side: depends on what you're talking about
[02:58:00] xpis: snamarcos: yes, mythtv supports ffmpeg encoding of v4l devices
[02:58:00] D-side: you can install linux on an xbox and use a real copy of mythtv on it
[02:58:00] braniff: sanmarcos, yes any v4l device works in my experience
[02:58:00] sanmarcos: xpis: well my proc is an athlon xp 2000, and my video card doesnt have tv out
[02:58:00] xpis: sanmarcos: then the 350 may be for you.
[02:58:00] D-side: or you can use xbox media center and the xbmcmythtv script. the latter of which is how i watch tv.
[02:58:00] sanmarcos: braniff: thanks :) I thought so since it probably used v4l as the layer to access devices
[02:58:00] Sithik: ok, so what exactly can mythtv DO on the xbox? obviously it cant record shows, no?
[02:58:00] D-side: you're right, frontend operation only.
[02:58:00] sanmarcos: xpis: yeah, MythTV seems an excellent OSS effort BTW. Very well documented
[02:58:00] D-side: i find XBMC + the script makes a fantastic media center combo.
[02:59:00] braniff: cameras do work with mythtv
[02:59:00] D-side: i've never been thrilled with the plugins.
[02:59:00] Wembley: ok this is odd
[02:59:00] Sithik: so, it would be essentially like using 2 "computers" the "server" to record/stream the signal, and then the "client" (xbox/pc) to "watch" the shows?
[02:59:00] sanmarcos: one thing that worries me is XMLTV, it is always been awfully slow on my machine anyways
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[02:59:00] Wembley: I had the wrong IP address on my settings
[02:59:00] xpis: sanmarcos: what country are you in?
[02:59:00] D-side: Sithik: thats right.
[02:59:00] Wembley: but now, when I try to start recording I get an unexpexted proto version
[02:59:00] sanmarcos: xpis: USA, Zap2it is paid though
[03:00:00] xpis: sanmarcos: then use datadirect
[03:00:00] braniff: Wembley, restart backend and frontend
[03:00:00] xpis: sanmarcos: datadirect is (currently) free (beer)
[03:00:00] Sithik: D-side, im not trying to knock MythTV, it sounds really cool, but what exactly makes YOU use it? compared to simply using the tivo (older models, not thier newest) that DirecTV would give you?
[03:00:00] sanmarcos: xpis: thanks, I'll look into that.
[03:00:00] xpis: sanmarcos: there are required surveys quarterly, however
[03:00:00] sanmarcos: xpis: do you happen to own a 350?
[03:00:00] xpis: sanmarcos: no. Remember, I built my box for $150, less than the cost of a pvr 350.
[03:00:00] D-side: Sithik: eh. 1) i liked the idea of it being extensible enough to do whatever i wanted
[03:01:00] Wembley: braniff: tried that
[03:01:00] Z-Morek: sanmarcos: those surveys are short and easy
[03:01:00] D-side: Sithik: 2) the ability to update its listings and to set recordings at any time at all
[03:01:00] sanmarcos: Z-Morek: nice :), maybe I could write a script to autommate the process
[03:01:00] D-side: Sithik: 3) the web frontend.
[03:01:00] braniff: Sithik, mountain climbers climb mountains because "They are there." I use MythTV because "I'm a freakin' nerd who enjoys linux and the idea of building my own TiVo to stick it to tha man."
[03:01:00] Sithik: to me, the one thing that makes it seem really cool, is being able to schedule recording through the web,,, alot quicker, easier and cleaner then using TiVo
[03:02:00] Z-Morek: braniff: I did the same :-p
[03:02:00] braniff: heh
[03:02:00] Z-Morek: only I used it as an excuse to divve into linux
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[03:03:00] Sithik: MythVideo, a media-viewer for content not created within MythTV  – being say, "pr0n"? essentially any video file (no matter the codec)?
[03:03:00] xpis: sanmarcos: For $150, I got a sempron 2800+ 64-bit, ECS NForce3 motherboard, Trident V3 video card with DVI and TV Out, and two framegrabbers – one ATI TV Wonder (cx8800) and one K-World terminator (sx713x)
[03:03:00] xpis: sanmarcos: and a slient noise dampening case.
[03:03:00] Sithik: xpis, where did you get those for $150?
[03:04:00] xpis: Sithik: Fry's. The day after thanksgiving. And I didn't even have to get up early.
[03:04:00] braniff: Sithik, yeah i first built my mythtv 2 years ago — now i only run linux and bsd boxes at home
[03:04:00] Sithik: bleh, no frys around here... hehe
[03:04:00] braniff: s/Sithik/Z-Morek/
[03:04:00] xpis: Sithik: none around me either. The closest is 3 hours away. Luckily, I was in the area for thanksgiving.
[03:05:00] Sithik: hmm this is getting my curiosity peaked, just to see what it can do.... :-D
[03:06:00] Sithik: so,,, just to see what size hdd's id need... how much space does a 1hr recording take up?
[03:06:00] D-side: depends on a lot of factors.
[03:06:00] Sithik: hmm so you can choose the quality/codec?
[03:06:00] D-side: for my mpeg2 settings, 2.5gb
[03:06:00] Sithik: 2.5gigs for 1, 1 hour show?
[03:06:00] D-side: you want to get an mpeg2 card.
[03:07:00] D-side: like i said, for the settings i've grown comfortable with.
[03:07:00] Sithik: see thats my other question...
[03:07:00] braniff: you also want a big hdd
[03:07:00] D-side: you can get a big beefy processor and a non-encoding bttv card and do mpeg4 if you want.
[03:07:00] xpis: sanmarcos: would you like to look at a mythtv 0.19 box in operation? (with datadirect data)
[03:07:00] D-side: or rtjpeg.
[03:07:00] Sithik: id want (obviously i think everyone would?) pretty much the same exact quality that my satellite currently gives me
[03:08:00] ** braniff has 250G dedicated to mythtv shows, and is far from a packrat **
[03:08:00] D-side: yeah, 300 here.
[03:08:00] D-side: er, 250?
[03:08:00] ** D-side ssh'es **
[03:08:00] ** Z-Morek eats teddy grahams dipped in cake frosting **
[03:08:00] D-side: jeez. 200gb, sorry.
[03:09:00] Sithik: granted your 1hr recordings would get deleted, but i see a theres that DVD ripper... so if 1 hour takes 2.5 you figure a 2hr movie would take 5 gigs...
[03:09:00] Sithik: with over 100 movies, thats quite a bit of space :P
[03:09:00] D-side: ripping dvds is a silly idea to me.
[03:09:00] Sithik: same thing as ripping all my cd's to mp3s
[03:09:00] D-side: why waste the expensive disk space when you can leave it on a dvd(-r)
[03:09:00] Z-Morek: *cough*
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[03:09:00] Sithik: why buy the dvd(-r) when you can just leave it on the original? :P
[03:09:00] D-side: with the difference being about 60M for a cd, and 700mb for a properly ripped dvd
[03:10:00] D-side: Sithik: excellent point.
[03:10:00] Sithik: storage, listening, and then burning them to cd if the original ever gets ruined
[03:10:00] D-side: get up and put a disc in.
[03:10:00] D-side: chances are you're a linux geek and need the exercise anyway.
[03:10:00] ** Z-Morek continues enjoying ghetto dunkaroos **
[03:10:00] Sithik: lol, actually i work 40 hours a week :P
[03:10:00] Sithik: not saying you, nor anyone here doesnt
[03:10:00] D-side: oh you son of a bitch the 0.19 compile failed
[03:10:00] Sithik: just saying :-D
[03:10:00] xpis: D-side: excercise.. what does this word mean?
[03:10:00] ** Z-Morek can feel his arteries clogging **
[03:10:00] braniff: here you go: --> http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4350515?site . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG
[03:11:00] D-side: what the fuck kind of error message is THAT? afk.
[03:11:00] braniff: it's the TeraStation
[03:11:00] Sithik: MythPhone, phone and videophone using SIP. – also sounds very nifty
[03:11:00] Sithik: basically VoIP?
[03:13:00] braniff: don't whine about disk space! Buy the TeraStation and stfu! heh
[03:13:00] mofu: anyone getting errors on the total program time? I'm showing 2:01:50 total time for an hour show . . .
[03:13:00] ** braniff wants one **
[03:14:00] sanmarcos: xpis: yeah sorry I was away
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[03:17:00] xpis: sanmarcos: type that to see all you get from datadirect
[03:18:00] ThreeE: Hi all. I've got this great MythTV setup going, but a backend that crashes when I try to schedule a recording via MythWeb. I get nothing in the MythTV backend logs. I've looked in the mailinglist archive and googled my heart out on this one — I've seen some similar problems, but most seem to be with much earlier MythTV versions and back-to-back recordings. Any ideas? Is there a way I can get the backend to tell me why it i
[03:18:00] ThreeE: s crashing? TIA...
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[03:19:00] xpis: ThreeE: which version?
[03:19:00] ThreeE: 0.18
[03:19:00] xpis: ThreeE: And did you compile yourself?
[03:19:00] xpis: ThreeE: And what distribution are you using?
[03:19:00] ThreeE: did not compile myself, using ubuntu
[03:20:00] ThreeE: ubuntu 5.10
[03:20:00] xpis: ok, there are ubuntu packages for 0.19. Try them.
[03:21:00] xpis: (it's hard to do troubleshooting when every single developer is using a newer codebase)
[03:21:00] squish102: is xris on the nuvexport team?
[03:22:00] mofu: xris is largely mythweb
[03:22:00] xpis: xris maintains mythweb, iirc
[03:22:00] ThreeE: thx xpis — I will try that when I have another weekend
[03:22:00] squish102: ok, i saw his name on trac on nuvexport
[03:22:00] xpis: and no, I am *not* xris.
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[03:23:00] D-side: heh
[03:23:00] xpis: ThreeE: ok. Does it only happen from mythweb?
[03:23:00] ThreeE: yep — without fail — everytime I try to schedule a new recording
[03:24:00] D-side: er, xris wrote nuvexport also.
[03:24:00] D-side: beirdo contributed a bunch of code to it too.
[03:24:00] ThreeE: xpis: the backend is rock solid stable otherwise
[03:25:00] squish102: ok now to wait for xris to stick his head in here ;)
[03:25:00] xpis: ThreeE: ok, are you using the same package version of mythplugins as of mythtv?
[03:25:00] ThreeE: xpis: I assume so — let me check
[03:25:00] squish102: i guess also, i would have to get my fersion to .19 before any1 will answer
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[03:26:00] roz: I have some questions about the pcHDTV HD-3000... anyone well-informed?
[03:26:00] xpis: squish: not necessarily.. but if it involves debugging, it would need to be confirmed in the latest codebase.
[03:26:00] mofu: roz, might be able to help
[03:27:00] roz: mofu: I am curious as to playback. does it record the AC3 stream?
[03:27:00] ThreeE: xpis: backend is 0.18-1–5, mythweb is 0.18-1–3
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[03:27:00] xpis: ThreeE: That's a problelm.
[03:27:00] xpis: *problem
[03:27:00] mofu: the whole TS stream goes straight to the disk . . .
[03:27:00] mofu: so yes
[03:28:00] roz: mofu: I read in .19 it can actually play that back then.
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[03:28:00] ThreeE: xpis: I guess so. I assume different minor-minor versions don't play well with each other
[03:28:00] mofu: that's never been a problem, there is an option for AC pass thru on playback if you have an external decoder
[03:29:00] roz: mofu: it is dumping that as MPEG2 to the disk
[03:29:00] mofu: yes
[03:30:00] JeffATL: mythtv needs a comprehensive doc that explains what all it does and how to get there
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[03:30:00] mofu: JeffATL: the new Wiki will be an improvement in that respect
[03:30:00] roz: on video playback, I don't currently have an HD TV, just standard definition (but I do have a computer screen as well, so it is worth it)
[03:31:00] Agrajag-: hey with the new live tv stuff, is there still a max size for the live tv recordings? i.e. if im watching the cricket all day, and it autoexpires everything it can, and i keep watching – what happens? does it cut stuff from the beginning of the live tv recording?
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[03:31:00] [Yatta]: i'm trying to build Myth ffrom scratch on my amd64 system....
[03:31:00] roz: scaling down to 640x480 for playback from the HD resolution... does it do that
[03:31:00] mofu: Agrajag-: No Max, it will delete older stuff from you storage
[03:31:00] [Yatta]: but when i do: sudo dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[03:31:00] Agrajag-: mofu: read my question again – i asked what happens when it's deleted all the older stuff
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[03:32:00] [Yatta]: debian/rules:128: warning: ignoring old commands for target `binary-arch'
[03:32:00] mofu: roz, will scale to any resolution
[03:32:00] D-side: Criggie: howdy.
[03:32:00] [Yatta]: dh_testdir
[03:32:00] [Yatta]: dh_testdir: debian/control has a duplicate entry for mythtv
[03:32:00] [Yatta]: anyone know what this duplite entry is???
[03:32:00] roz: all HD content comes in as 16x9, correct?
[03:32:00] ThreeE: hey Yatta — good luck with that — I've got a AMD64 X2 4400 that I'd like to try that on — right now using 32 bit mode...  :(
[03:32:00] mofu: Agrajag-: deleted your entire directory?? ouch
[03:32:00] Agrajag-: mofu: no, it only autoexpires stuff that's marked as autoexpire
[03:33:00] [Yatta]: hmmm.....
[03:33:00] mofu: autoexpire is the default isn't it??
[03:33:00] Agrajag-: yes, but i often turn it off for recordings that i know i don't want deleted
[03:33:00] redline--: anyone know if there is a way to get recorded tv into the movies sections?
[03:33:00] Criggie: D-side: gidday :)
[03:33:00] D-side: I use my 3800+ X2 as a frontend. heh
[03:33:00] mofu: redline--: nuvexport
[03:34:00] roz: I know, for example, local news is broadcast in HD in 4x3.... but is it actually broadcast in 16x9 mofu?
[03:34:00] redline--: ok thanks mofo ill look into it
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[03:34:00] mofu: roz, yeah 4:3 news is broadcast with black bars
[03:34:00] mofu: really 16:9
[03:36:00] roz: OK, so can myth compensate to display any such content (zoom into the 4x3 or add black bars) out to the TV?
[03:36:00] simcop2387: yep
[03:36:00] simcop2387: it can zoom in
[03:36:00] mofu: roz, yes, fairly complete Zoom capabilities to bounce between formats
[03:36:00] simcop2387: hit m while playing back and look for zoom
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[03:37:00] D-side: oh how i wish there were a win32 frontend.
[03:37:00] [Yatta]: no one has any suggestions??
[03:37:00] [Yatta]: ohh well i tried...
[03:37:00] roz: D-side: I've seen one some where........ sometime
[03:37:00] mofu: can someone look at the total program length on a program recorded on 0.19 ?? is it right?
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[03:38:00] roz: mofu: OK. Now onto viewing in a window on my computer screen. will it change it into a 16x9 window instead of a 4x3?
[03:38:00] Criggie: D-side: theres a half-arsed one. you can use winmyth, or a combination of mythweb to schedule plus use the right codecs and WMP can play back the files.
[03:39:00] mofu: unless pushed into a default mode, Myth will always playback in native aspect ratio of recording
[03:39:00] redline--: mofu: is there any readmes on this?
[03:40:00] D-side: Criggie: i know. its all crap.
[03:40:00] roz: mofu: One last recording question...... Does each card get its own "recording profie" that defines the resolution? What resolution does the HD-3000 bring in on? varies by content (780i vs 1080i for example)?
[03:40:00] D-side: thats why i want a real honest-to-God frontend for it. :)
[03:40:00] Criggie: D-side: my wife now has a mythfrontend running on an old Celeron 500 :)
[03:40:00] mofu: redline--: https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/
[03:40:00] simcop2387: [Yatta]: the build itself should go fine on an amd64, (i'm running one too) that sounds like a debian issue
[03:41:00] simcop2387: [Yatta]: i'm running 0.19 right now fine
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[03:41:00] [Yatta]: simcop2387, so by just doinga normal make make install should be fine???
[03:41:00] mofu: can someone look at the total program length on a program recorded on 0.19 ?? is it right?
[03:42:00] JeffATL: will i possibly be able to get one of these nice "learning" universal remotes to control mythtv?
[03:42:00] simcop2387: [Yatta]: you'll probably need a ./configure in there too but yea, built fine on my gentoo
[03:42:00] simcop2387: JeffATL: as long as lirc can support it
[03:42:00] [Yatta]: simcop2387, I'm wondering WHY i'm gettign that error thoough.... what duplicate file is it talking about and where did it find it?
[03:42:00] MissActek: Anyone here use XMLTV to get their TV listing?
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[03:42:00] [Yatta]: hmmm.. i'l try that
[03:42:00] [Yatta]: thanks
[03:42:00] roz: mofu: haven't installed .19 yet, so I cant :( sorry
[03:42:00] simcop2387: mofu: what do you mean?
[03:43:00] mofu: simcop2387: for a hour program that has finished recording, when you play it back, how long does the OSD say the total length is??
[03:43:00] MissActek: I'm trying to figure out how to add the tv_grab_au part of XMLTV to my setup. Think it'd be possible?
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[03:44:00] redline-: mofu: this still works on mpegs?
[03:44:00] simcop2387: mofu: ah let me check
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[03:45:00] simcop2387: mofu: on a 30:00 block its off by 9 seconds
[03:45:00] mofu: redline-: what Nuvexport? yes
[03:45:00] simcop2387: mofu: nothing over 30min block recorded right now
[03:45:00] simcop2387: mofu: what i don't know is if that # is correct
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[03:45:00] mofu: simcop2387: I think the problem occurs at the hour mark
[03:45:00] simcop2387: mofu: if it recorded 29:51 or if its off slightly
[03:46:00] simcop2387: mofu: whats it doing for you?
[03:46:00] mofu: a 1:01 program shows as 2:01:50 here . . .
[03:46:00] simcop2387: hrm
[03:46:00] roz: mofu: One last recording question...... Does each card get its own "recording profie" that defines the resolution? What resolution does the HD-3000 bring in on? varies by content (780i vs 1080i for example)?
[03:46:00] mofu: its adding an hour to the length somewhere in its logic
[03:46:00] simcop2387: mofu: sounds off to me, i'll check when i get a 1 hour recording
[03:47:00] mofu: roz varies by content for dvb card, for pvr card you can set recorded resolution by individual program if you want
[03:47:00] simcop2387: mofu: yeshr next 1 hour recording is at 4am
[03:47:00] Yellow-Snow: OMG i cant think of anything for this dumb paper! all i want to do is work on my box
[03:47:00] Yellow-Snow: god
[03:47:00] Yellow-Snow: am i in hell?
[03:47:00] simcop2387: Yellow-Snow: no its called school
[03:47:00] simcop2387: Yellow-Snow: whats it supposed to be on
[03:47:00] mofu: no one has recorded an hour show on 0.19 yet except me?? please
[03:48:00] Yellow-Snow: lol a supid definition paper
[03:48:00] roz: mofu: OK that makes a lot of sense. Do you know much about running multiple backends?
[03:48:00] simcop2387: Yellow-Snow: don't know that one
[03:48:00] Yellow-Snow: im doing it on.. child discipline how u should beat your child and its not child abuse
[03:49:00] mofu: roz: I currently run a single backend, but my HD cards may push me into adding a slave backend, not a problem
[03:49:00] roz: mofu: Does each slave have its own video storage directory?
[03:49:00] simcop2387: Yellow-Snow: go look up maddox's article about it
[03:49:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^
[03:50:00] Yellow-Snow: where u think i got the idea from
[03:50:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[03:50:00] simcop2387: lol
[03:50:00] mofu: roz: either separate or NFS to use common storage
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[03:52:00] roz: mofu: OK that makes sense. What kind of storage size am I looking at per hour? I assume it varies by the Video Resolution of the content
[03:52:00] GreyFoxx: the resolution is irrelevant, it's the bitrate that matters really
[03:52:00] roz: so it 100% varies by the content being delivered
[03:52:00] mofu: roz: alot of people run pvr cards at about 2GB per hour,
[03:53:00] GreyFoxx: roz: in the DVB/HD type content yeah, for PVR cards you configure the bitrate you want
[03:53:00] roz: mofu: yes, my PVR card runs at 2 GB / hr how about HD cards though?
[03:53:00] GreyFoxx: HD can be up to 9G and hour
[03:53:00] simcop2387: mofu: i run my pvr card at 1.5gb/hr
[03:54:00] roz: Jesus 9GB / hr for HD... what is most content would you say?
[03:54:00] mofu: yep
[03:55:00] roz: 4–5 GB/ hr? or is most content in the 9GB/ HR area?
[03:55:00] GreyFoxx: I don't have HD, so I can't give you a personal average :)
[03:55:00] mofu: network stuff: 6–7 GB/hr, TNT-HD, 1080i Movies, 8+ GB/hr, really . . . .
[03:56:00] \malex\: how compatible are new plugins with the old core? would it be possible to run the new mythweb with an old core?
[03:56:00] GreyFoxx: no
[03:56:00] roz: wow and is there anywhere where I can test play an HD MPEG just to verify my system can Deal with it?
[03:56:00] mofu: roz, I think the HD3000 site has a test TS stream
[03:57:00] \malex\: GreyFoxx: i see. thanks
[03:57:00] mofu: Jarod Wilson might have had a test clip too
[03:57:00] \malex\: GreyFoxx: would i tbe completely broken, or just some aspects of it?
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[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: completely
[03:57:00] \malex\: bummer. thanks
[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: it wont do anything when it detects the protocol version is different
[03:58:00] \malex\: oh
[03:58:00] GreyFoxx: plus database changes would mean many portions would fail
[03:58:00] \malex\: i guess i'll have to upgrade it all then. thanks
[03:58:00] roz: I know apple has released some 1080p content in quicktime, but thats not a good benchmark
[03:59:00] mofu: roz: http://pchdtv.com/downloads/tst.tar
[03:59:00] mofu: rename it to a .ts file
[03:59:00] GreyFoxx: I was happy to discover the other day that my box can handle at least 1080i without my having to change anything configuration wise when someone posted a link to a rip from their local PBS broadcast
[04:00:00] mofu: GreyFoxx: specs? just for reference?
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: XP2500+
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: played with the internal myth player (what I use with mythvideo)
[04:00:00] mofu: xvmc?
[04:00:00] GreyFoxx: no
[04:01:00] mofu: you have a 1080 screen??
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[04:01:00] GreyFoxx: using the regular libavcodec decoder
[04:01:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[04:01:00] GreyFoxx: my video card scaled it to SDTV
[04:01:00] mofu: scaled down to 800x600 or 640x480?
[04:01:00] diode: im having problems with my nvidia card with a blue border, i was told to install xvattr, but it wont install... telling me configure cannot find Xv... any suggestions?
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: 800x600. But it's irrelevant since that's done by hardware
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: the fullscreen goes to the card(Xv) which scales it to fit the allocated window
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[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: looked freaking sweet :)
[04:03:00] GetInLine1: hey can anyone give me 5 mins of tech support ;-)
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[04:03:00] GreyFoxx: GetInLine1: Just ask your questions, if someone can/wants to help they will
[04:03:00] GetInLine1: Grey: Okay thanks
[04:03:00] mofu: diode: keep googling for a fix, theres are other ways to handle it
[04:03:00] diode: mofu ive been doing that but not getting anywhere :\
[04:03:00] GetInLine1: So I isntalled mysql, and im trying to run mythtv-setup, it keeps on failing to connect to the DB
[04:04:00] GetInLine1: the mythtv user is there and it created the db's
[04:04:00] GetInLine1: any ideas?
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: and mysql is running? AND listening on a port ?
[04:05:00] GetInLine1: its running how do i verify the port? and which port should it be listening on?
[04:05:00] roz: GetInLine1: sometimes mysql is set up to ONLY listen on 127.0.0.1 make sure thats what you are telling myth to connect to, if thats the case
[04:05:00] GreyFoxx: GetInLine1: port 3306
[04:06:00] GetInLine1: wierd... Ive got mysql admin installed, im typing 'localhost', its on port 3306 and i can get in
[04:06:00] GetInLine1: but freaking myth cant
[04:06:00] redline-: anyone know why nuvexport gives me disbaled on all options in its list?
[04:06:00] GreyFoxx: what is the output of " netstat -antu | grep 3306 "
[04:07:00] GetInLine1: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:*
[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: and what is the error you get with regards to failing to connect ?
[04:08:00] GetInLine1: QMYSQL3: Unable To Connect Database error was: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost.localdomain ' (Using password: YES)
[04:08:00] dtm: GetInLine1: you need to edit /etc/my.cnf
[04:08:00] dtm: GetInLine1: to allow your lan
[04:08:00] dtm: er no.
[04:08:00] dtm: not that.
[04:09:00] dtm: GetInLine1: you need to run a command in mysql
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: Or run a grant line to allow mythtv@localhost.localdomain "
[04:09:00] dtm: yeah.
[04:09:00] GetInLine1: how do i do that?
[04:09:00] roz: mofu: if you are still around--- that content plays in a Nice solid blue screen, but I can hear it... ideas?
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost.localdomain' identified by 'mythtv';
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: then "flush privileges;"
[04:09:00] dtm: GetInLine1: yeah you first do this --> mysql -u mythtv mythtv
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: Though, you really should be setting hostnames on your boxes :)
[04:10:00] mofu: roz: you have an Nvidia card??
[04:10:00] GetInLine1: lol true
[04:10:00] dtm: GetInLine1: and then you do GreyFoxx's commands in there
[04:10:00] roz: mofu: yes sir
[04:10:00] GetInLine1: negative, cant do mysql -u mythtv mythtv
[04:10:00] dtm: GetInLine1: ok sorry just do 'mysql'
[04:10:00] mofu: w/ Nvidia drivers installed?
[04:10:00] GetInLine1: is there supposed to be a -p in there?
[04:10:00] GetInLine1: in front of the password?
[04:11:00] mofu: use -vo xv switch in mplayer
[04:11:00] dtm: GetInLine1: mysql -u root mythconverg
[04:11:00] dtm: GetInLine1: there that seems to be it ;)
[04:11:00] dtm: by default.
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[04:12:00] roz: mofu: yes, nvidia drivers installed..... Mplayer crashes on the content.... xine plays it, but with a blue screen
[04:12:00] ShockValue: are you sure the content isnt corrupted or something?
[04:13:00] GetInLine1: sweet boys, IM IN!
[04:13:00] GetInLine1: is there a keystroke to switch out of full screen?
[04:13:00] GreyFoxx: no
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa
[04:14:00] GetInLine1: seriously?
[04:14:00] roz: I will redownload it
[04:14:00] GreyFoxx: Myth is intended to be a fullscreen application, but you can tell it to run in a window to give you a title bar and such, and you can configure the gui/x/y size
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: my IR receiver is pointed at my remote
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: my remote is pointed at the tv
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: but yet still works
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow: thats sick
[04:14:00] GreyFoxx: but there is no back and forth option around a single key
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[04:14:00] GetInLine1: okay, now onto another question... has anyone gotten the ms mediacenter edition remote to work with myth?
[04:14:00] GreyFoxx: many
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: google and the mythtv-users archives are your friend
[04:15:00] GetInLine1: okay cool, and my last question... how can i get my nvidia to output to composite vid?
[04:15:00] GetInLine1: im running ubuntu breezy
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow: to tv?
[04:15:00] GetInLine1: yup
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: does it have a composite connector ?
[04:15:00] GetInLine1: yeah
[04:15:00] GreyFoxx: then yes, just configure X
[04:16:00] Yellow-Snow: mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.original
[04:16:00] Yellow-Snow: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.nvidia-tvout.sample /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:16:00] Yellow-Snow: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:16:00] mofu: type : Nvidia COMPOSITE into Google . . . .
[04:16:00] ** simcop2387 wishes his cable company didn't mess with the volumes on cartoon network **
[04:16:00] roz: GetInLine1: The Console will just "Go" out there if you do not hook up a monitor
[04:16:00] GetInLine1: Yellow-Snow: Just throw that into terminal?
[04:16:00] mofu: anyone have a one hour program record on 0.19 yet?? can you check the total run time on the OSD???
[04:17:00] roz: mofu: still no go Mplayer crashes on it. Xine plays it, but both are blue screen
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: mofu, I've got about 50 in my queue, running daily svn build right up til today
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: latest ep is showing at 59 mins 56 seconds
[04:18:00] mofu: could it be an HD only problem??
[04:18:00] rtsai1111: mofu: my stuff is off by a few seconds all the time. What's the big deal?
[04:18:00] mofu: 1hour1min show showing as 2:01:50 . . . .
[04:18:00] rtsai1111: heh
[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: mofu: no idea
[04:18:00] roz: mofu: everything else is working for me.
[04:18:00] mofu: I have an hour problem, not seconds
[04:18:00] Yellow-Snow: yes gent
[04:19:00] rtsai1111: maybe you're getting the extended director's cuts of the TV shows
[04:19:00] mofu: lol, so funny
[04:19:00] mofu: big help
[04:19:00] rtsai1111: sorry :)
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[04:19:00] rtsai1111: are you otherwise able to watch stuff?
[04:19:00] mofu: yeah, mostly harmless at this point,
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[04:20:00] rtsai1111: are these transcoded, or hot off your capture cards?
[04:20:00] rtsai1111: rtjpeg or MP4?
[04:20:00] mofu: hot off the HD3000, QAM256, Comcast Cable
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[04:20:00] roz: mofu: how are you hooking the HD3000 to Cable?
[04:20:00] rtsai1111: I've been using HD3000 OTA for quite some time and never had that kind of problem
[04:22:00] mofu: now the problem progam is OK, maybe its just when you start watching while recording . . .
[04:22:00] mofu: roz,, you screw the cablee into the jack on the card . . . .
[04:23:00] roz: mofu?? I was just gonna use it for OTA... I didn't think I could do anything else with it?
[04:23:00] mofu: does QAM256 fine,
[04:23:00] diode: sorry for my ignorance, but "search the archives" refers to what?
[04:23:00] roz: mofu: which is what?
[04:23:00] diode: i mean where
[04:23:00] mofu: big problem is finding the channels and setting up a channels.conf file
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[04:24:00] roz: mofu: Digital Cable (like that nifty motorola box?)
[04:24:00] mofu: QAM256 is just the way the stream is encoded
[04:24:00] mofu: not scrambled stations, only free
[04:25:00] roz: where might I find out if I have any such stations?
[04:25:00] mofu: I get Detroit area network HD+ TNT-HD, had Discovery, but it seemed to disappear/move, haven't found it again yet
[04:25:00] mofu: if your cable company offer HD all the local network stuff has to remain in the clear.
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[04:26:00] mofu: the REAL PROBLEM, is that the cable company is free to move the channels around, its easy for them to broadcast the change to their cable boxes, but your mythbox wont know what happened
[04:27:00] GetInLine1: Guys, i get output to the TV but its all garbled up
[04:27:00] simcop2387: mofu: lets rotate frequencies every 30 seconds!
[04:27:00] mofu: TNT-HD is nice to have though, lots of decent movies
[04:27:00] GetInLine1: YellowSnow, were the commands you pasted supposed to address that?
[04:27:00] roz: mofu: Ha wouldn't that be nice, the local cable company has does not have the CBS affiliate in HD, because apparantly the station wants money for the HD Stream.
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[04:28:00] mofu: this week they moved CBS to the slot that Discovery-HD used to be in, the old CBS slot is encrypted, I'm assuming that's were Discovery went and its lost
[04:28:00] roz: mofu: so will the cable company give out the info? or not?
[04:29:00] mofu: no, you have search the atsc scans to find the HD streams
[04:29:00] mofu: pain in the ass
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[04:29:00] mofu: and the Comcast streams dont have the ID bits that the OTA streams have
[04:29:00] mofu: for most of the stations at least
[04:30:00] simcop2387: mofu: damn that sucks, if they did just setup a cronjob to rescan every night at like 5:30am
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[04:31:00] mofu: simcop2387: yeah, I'm hoping there is still hope for automating it, but was waiting for 0.19 before I really dove into it.
[04:31:00] mofu: we'll see.
[04:31:00] mofu: anyway, too late for me, gota go, nite all
[04:31:00] simcop2387: night
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[04:32:00] roz: night
[04:32:00] roz: THANKS A TON mofu
[04:33:00] roz: I wish I could just play this HD stream. It vauguely reminds me of a windows BSOD ha!
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[04:33:00] AlienBaby: any idea what the svn/cvs number that .19 release is based on? I'm using 8642..
[04:33:00] ** dtm moderates down the flamebait on the mythtv 0.19 announcement on slashdot **
[04:34:00] simcop2387: dtm: yea i saw that too, someone saying that it took them two weeks to get mythtv to even boot up
[04:34:00] dtm: simcop2387: a DVB developer!!
[04:34:00] simcop2387: what?
[04:34:00] dtm: toast.
[04:34:00] GetInLine1: has anyone used nvidia-settings?
[04:34:00] simcop2387: GetInLine1: i have, why
[04:34:00] dtm: simcop2387: that guy alleges that he's a DVB related developer.
[04:35:00] AlienBaby: any idea what the svn/cvs number that .19 release is based on? I'm using 8642..  ??
[04:35:00] GetInLine1: simcop: when i launch it, there are really no 'settings'
[04:35:00] roz: GetInLine1: whatcha trying to do?
[04:35:00] simcop2387: what kind of settings are you wanting?
[04:35:00] GetInLine1: simcop: im trying to get this fx5200 to output to tv and monitor in clone mode
[04:36:00] simcop2387: nvidia-settings wont help you with that
[04:36:00] GetInLine1: simcop, its putting something out to the tv but its all fucked up
[04:36:00] simcop2387: GetInLine1: sounds like your TV doesn't work with that resolution
[04:36:00] GetInLine1: 1024x768 works fine in xp, thats what im at in ubuntu, any ideas?
[04:36:00] simcop2387: GetInLine1: try 640x480, or limit the refresh rate to 60hz
[04:37:00] GetInLine1: no change on the TV when i go to 640x480, only the monitor
[04:37:00] GetInLine1: the tv didnt even flicker
[04:37:00] roz: GetInLine1: make sure you change both screens
[04:38:00] GetInLine1: shit how do i go about changing the tv res?
[04:38:00] roz: GetInLine1: Turn off your TV, just in case
[04:38:00] GetInLine1: LOL, i dont want to blow that shit up
[04:38:00] simcop2387: you can't
[04:38:00] GetInLine1: i cant change the tv res? what is roz talking about then?
[04:39:00] simcop2387: no you can't blow things up
[04:39:00] GetInLine1: ohhh okay
[04:39:00] GetInLine1: so how can i change the tv res then?
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[04:40:00] roz: GetInLine1: I thought I had a conf I could just give you
[04:40:00] roz: but I don't
[04:40:00] GetInLine1: does this look like the right stuff Roz? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=409586
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: getline
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: did it work? my commands?
[04:41:00] GetInLine1: ?
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: u want to change the tv res?
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: Code: Section "Monitor"
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: Identifier "Zenith TV"
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: HorizSync 30–50
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: VertRefresh 60
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: DisplaySize 160 120
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: put the displaysize in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:41:00] GetInLine1: I just want to get a clone at 1024x768, 60hz
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[04:42:00] roz: GetInLine1: Doubt you can 800x600 max i think
[04:42:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[04:42:00] GetInLine1: Yellow: then what? reboot or can i just restart X?
[04:42:00] Yellow-Snow: um idk might as well reboot
[04:42:00] simcop2387: some cards can do 1024x768 but the quality is bad, 800x600 is better
[04:42:00] Yellow-Snow: the displaysize changes it to make it bigger
[04:42:00] GetInLine1: lol thats probably why 1024x768 looked like ass on my tv in XP
[04:43:00] GetInLine1: hahaha
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /099440.html
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: getinline look at that chart
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: i use DisplaySize 240 180
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: for a 20 inch thats like 7 feet away
[04:44:00] simcop2387: what does DisplaySize do? i've never played with it
[04:44:00] Yellow-Snow: u can also comment out overscale in he config
[04:44:00] Yellow-Snow: um its like resolution
[04:44:00] GetInLine1: Yellow: i dont have this file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:44:00] Yellow-Snow: make everything bigger/smaller
[04:44:00] simcop2387: GetInLine1: try /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:44:00] GetInLine1: sim: i got that, just paste yellows stuff in there?
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[04:46:00] sw_bluntman: I saw something somewhere about animated menus. Did those make it into 0.19? If so, are there any themes that take advantage of them yet?
[04:47:00] nanoITX: finally!! Got all the dependencies for mythmusic.
[04:47:00] GetInLine1: Yellow: i put the code in my xorg.conf, how can i restart x?
[04:51:00] sw_bluntman: GetInLine1: <ctrl>+<alt>+<backspace> while within X?
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[04:51:00] Plug: Hello.
[04:51:00] Plug: Since upgrading to 0.19, video playback (mplayer) only takes up the top half of my screen
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[04:52:00] xpis: Plug: check your mplayer options
[04:53:00] Plug: it only happens on widescreen stuff
[04:53:00] xpis: Plug: make sure the fullscreen option is there
[04:53:00] Plug: I have -fs
[04:53:00] xpis: Plug: do you want pan/scan?
[04:53:00] Plug: No, just letterboxing
[04:53:00] Plug: -zoom is also in there
[04:53:00] xpis: Plug: well, -fs should make it do letterboxing
[04:53:00] Plug: did on 0.18 :)
[04:54:00] Plug: 'nothing changed'
[04:54:00] xpis: it's the same mplayer.
[04:55:00] simcop2387: sw_bluntman: i think those are set for 0.20
[04:55:00] simcop2387: with the mythui stuff
[04:55:00] Plug: I use Ubuntu, not Gentoo, but it sounds like this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112440
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[04:55:00] sw_bluntman: simcop2387: TY. Any idea when that's coming out? LOL
[04:56:00] Plug: But as you say, it's the same mplayer.
[04:59:00] AlienBaby: is .19 release better .19-pre8642 on Gentoo.. 8642 mythfrontend is always locking up..
[04:59:00] simcop2387: sw_bluntman: dunno month or too?
[04:59:00] xpis: Plug: try upgrading mplayer
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[05:00:00] Plug: looking at that now. i'll try and find a backport
[05:00:00] simcop2387: AlienBaby: absolutely you'll have to unmask it though, works like a charm
[05:00:00] AlienBaby: already done.. compiling now..
[05:00:00] simcop2387: ah cool
[05:00:00] AlienBaby: 4+ hours to wait..
[05:00:00] simcop2387: 4+ hours? it took <1 for me!
[05:01:00] AlienBaby: 800mhz machine..
[05:01:00] simcop2387: ah
[05:02:00] ** simcop2387 is still amazed at the speed of his shiney new athlon 64 3200 **
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[05:02:00] jasta: im thinking about going athlon 64 3400+
[05:02:00] jasta: for quake4 :)
[05:02:00] simcop2387: you need one of the just announced quad cores if you want to use more than dual/single damage
[05:03:00] rkulagow_: xris: here?
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[05:09:00] xris: rkulagow_: what's up?
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[05:10:00] rkulagow_: just wondering what you had on your plate as far as mythweb, and if you've got a roadmap. i'm looking at adding an "edit" function, so that I can insert / correct recording metadata without needing to work raw SQL or phpmyadmin
[05:11:00] rkulagow_: "Go Diego Go" has had a few of these, and the WAF is low because she sometimes doesn't get the correct episode that my daughter is looking to watch
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[05:13:00] solarium_rider: anyone else having problems with huge mysql files being created from mythtv?
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[05:18:00] ShockValue: well crap.. i upgraded to 0.19 and everything is working fine.. Now what am i supposed to do? :)
[05:18:00] solarium_rider: break it =)
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[05:19:00] fatmatt: heyas
[05:20:00] fatmatt: I'm hunting down debs for myth, does anyone kknow how well the ubuntu debs work with debian?
[05:21:00] jnunez: can a .18 frontend connect to a .19 backend?
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[05:24:00] dev-: curious, anyone else have mythfilldatabase stop updating guide information? out of nowhere? started 2 days ago?
[05:24:00] dev-: (no i didnt upgrade to .19 yet) heh
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[05:24:00] xris: dev-: have you run it manually to see the error message?
[05:24:00] jnunez: dev-: Someone else mentioned this a few days ago.
[05:24:00] GetInLine1: w0000t, i got the TV output working, thanks for the help guys!
[05:24:00] dev-: yeah, weird qt error
[05:24:00] jnunez: Did you upgrade MySQL?
[05:25:00] dev-: getting it now..
[05:25:00] dev-: Clearing from Tue Feb 14 00:00:00 2006 to Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 2006 (localtime)
[05:25:00] dev-: QSettings::sync: filename is null/empty
[05:25:00] dev-: havent touched mysql or upgraded to .19 yet
[05:25:00] dev-: in 2 days i havent done anythign except sit on my ass and watch the olympics. and shovel 20inches of snow. heh.
[05:25:00] GetInLine1: so can anyone give me some pointers on how to setup myth for my needs? i simply want to use it to watch divx/xvid/3vix files as well as play audio files mp3/m4a... no tv usage... how do i get started?
[05:26:00] dev-: seems to have issues with the db, but i can connect it manually fine
[05:26:00] dev-: what table is guide data stored in?
[05:26:00] jnunez: GetInLine1: Try KnoppMyth
[05:26:00] GetInLine1: what is it?
[05:27:00] jnunez: It's a simple install but only if you are using common hardware that works in Linux
[05:27:00] GetInLine1: jnunez: im already running ubuntu and myth is installed, this is basically more of a usage question
[05:27:00] ShockValue: GetInLine1: set it up using the regular install guide, but dont fret too much about the tv settins.. you'll still need mysql and all that stuff though since it uses it to store all the info like settins, mp3 locations etc
[05:27:00] dev-: the mythtv install itself is simple and easy when you follow the docs. getting the hardware to work right in linux is the most challenegeing part if you havent screwed with v4l and ivtv before
[05:27:00] dev-: though there are plenty of howtos on how to set it up in various distros :)
[05:28:00] GetInLine1: any does anyone have any links to info on getting the windows media center remote to work with myth?
[05:28:00] dev-: i cant think of anything i screwed around with in 2 days that would break mythfilldatabase. hrmph.
[05:28:00] dev-: so this isnt a common problem then.. i must have done something.. or something boned..
[05:29:00] jnunez: That has to do with lirc which I think has a mce setting
[05:29:00] xris: GetInLine1: install lirc with the mceusb2 driver
[05:29:00] xris: then all you need is a conf file, and there are plenty of those floating around the net
[05:30:00] GetInLine1: xris: awesome!
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[05:30:00] GetInLine1: and finally how can i set myth to run in 640x480?
[05:30:00] xris: GetInLine1: um, that's all about x
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: DisplaySize?
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[05:31:00] jnunez: GetInLine1: That is in the xorg config
[05:32:00] dev-: or you could use --geom if you mean on your desktop or something
[05:32:00] GetInLine1: really? i have this bad boy running 640x480 resolution in X on the TV but when i open myth its bigger then the screen
[05:32:00] solarium_rider: is it safe to delete old mysql bin logs if i'm not using replication? mythfilldatabase is creating huge bin logs
[05:33:00] dev-: solarium_rider: not if you're running innodb
[05:34:00] jnunez: dev-: --geom? Enlighten me. I need to underscan my X desktop so xmame and xine do not overscan
[05:34:00] solarium_rider: dev-: how to check if i'm running that, it's not a currently running process, is that good enough?
[05:35:00] dev-: jnunez: its a switch for mythfrontend, override window size settings
[05:35:00] jnunez: solarium_rider: it is the table type
[05:35:00] jnunez: oh so it won't affect xmame
[05:35:00] dev-: mythfrontend --help shows a few of them that are usefull, geom and verbose being my favorite
[05:36:00] dev-: nah that would be the xmame conf
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[05:38:00] dev-: oh well, cant figure this out now. i think that filename null/empty line ive seen before on successful mythfilldatabase's
[05:38:00] dev-: sucks though, could have sworn id be told "yes ive seen that too! zap2it changed their format after .19!" or something
[05:39:00] Plug: xpis: turns out to be a bug with nvidia drivers in low memory situations
[05:39:00] Plug: thanks for your suggestions though
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[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: blah
[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: im so close to using my tv and pvr w/o switching b/t the 2 ..
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[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: on the remote that is
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[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: all i need to do is map my remote to my light and fan
[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: and i can become a major bum
[05:42:00] Yellow-Snow: that and that radioshack robot that i can program to get me my beer
[05:42:00] jnunez: lol
[05:42:00] Yellow-Snow: =)
[05:42:00] Yellow-Snow: i so want a remote fan and light tho
[05:43:00] Yellow-Snow: wow this paper is royal crap
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[05:48:00] quitte: hi. i just found out how great mythtv actually is. even if its an insane ram eater
[05:48:00] Yellow-Snow: hi
[05:48:00] quitte: but for the purpose i want to use it for i see a few problems
[05:48:00] quitte: uhm hi
[05:48:00] quitte: can the tv part be disabled?
[05:48:00] Yellow-Snow: if u want to save your ram go buy a program
[05:49:00] Yellow-Snow: is it wrong to put a GPS on your childs car?
[05:49:00] quitte: if you dont want to help shut up
[05:49:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa tiger
[05:49:00] Yellow-Snow: i didn't know this channel was "help quitte or shut up"
[05:51:00] quitte: so. can i disable the tv part in the menu? and is it possible to disable all setup options so that users cant break stuff?
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: yea u can take it out the menu
[05:52:00] quitte: ok great. mind to tell me where to look for it?
[05:52:00] Yellow-Snow: um its a mythtv file
[05:52:00] Yellow-Snow: let me look.. 1 second
[05:52:00] jnunez: quitte: you can also set a pin number to the setup
[05:52:00] jnunez: it's one of the xml files
[05:53:00] quitte: id prefer to completely remove it from the menu and set files ro, if possible
[05:53:00] Yellow-Snow: "/usr/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml"
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[05:53:00] quitte: ok thanks a lot
[05:53:00] Yellow-Snow: "/ /usr/share/mythtv/main_settings.xml"
[05:53:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean thats my guess.. but im a noob
[05:53:00] Yellow-Snow: so idk
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[05:54:00] jnunez: quitte: remove it via the xml too
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[05:55:00] quitte: ok. is the config stored in ~ or does part of it go into the db,too?
[05:55:00] dev-: nice
[05:55:00] dev-: i blew away guide data
[05:55:00] dev-: reran mythfilldatabase, and it only got 3 days worth
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[05:55:00] dev-: something just aint right there :)
[05:56:00] Chutt: dev-, so, you don't really read the mailing lists, then?
[05:56:00] dev-: no, im not subscribed to them
[05:56:00] dev-: whats the deal?
[05:56:00] Chutt: might help once in a while.
[05:56:00] banyan: Any ivtv users happen to know what would cause recordings and live TV to have no sound?
[05:56:00] dev-: i feel that since i run stable i dont need to keep up-to-the-second with the goings on of myth..
[05:56:00] kusznir_: Hi all: I'm using KnoppMyth R5A30.2, and I'm having trouble with mythburn. I'm using the out-of-the-box configuration. log pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/41387
[05:57:00] Chutt: kusznir_, mythburn isn't part of myth.
[05:57:00] dev-: Chutt: id be much obliged if you'd point in the right direction to a post date, link, or something.
[05:57:00] Chutt: dev-, users list, subject line includes 'zap2it'
[05:57:00] dev-: link to the mailing list archive then?
[05:58:00] Chutt: i'd have to pull up a webbrowser to get it, same as you would.
[05:58:00] Agrajag-: hey with the new live tv stuff, is there still a max size for the live tv recordings? i.e. if im watching the cricket all day, and it autoexpires everything it can, and i keep watching – what happens? does it stop recording or cut stuff from the beginning of the live tv recording?
[05:58:00] dev-: hrm why should it require me to signup to just look at the emails
[05:58:00] kusznir_: Chutt: its part of knoppmyth, though, and I thought this is where you go for help with knoppmyth. Where should I go for help?
[05:58:00] Chutt: #knoppmyth
[05:59:00] kusznir_: Chutt: thanks...
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[06:00:00] dev-: oh god does that suck
[06:00:00] dev-: especially since i cleared guide data thinking something was broke heh
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[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: why don't they make a 6" cpu fan
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: that way its ultra quiet
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[06:09:00] ** nanoITX compiles festival and now mythphone **
[06:09:00] dev-: zap2it could have done the right think by emailing people
[06:09:00] Chutt: they emailed the users list
[06:09:00] ** nanoITX crosses his fingers **
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[06:09:00] dev-: yeah whoopy dodah. again. im not a developer of any sort, i just use the product, i dont bitch about it or ask for help, i figure it out on my own. they have my emai laddress from the account
[06:09:00] dev-: sending an email to people signed up on labs wouldnt be that tough.
[06:09:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[06:09:00] Chutt: it's temporary
[06:09:00] Chutt: and wouldn't have affected you at all had you not wiped your db
[06:10:00] dtm: Chutt: did they email all individaul accounts or did they email people who signed up to a specific mailing list?
[06:10:00] kusznir_: what's this about?
[06:10:00] dev-: i wouldnt have wiped my db if they didnt make me think my shit was broke
[06:10:00] kusznir_: I have 2 myth systems, and haven't heard anything about zap2it changing stuff...
[06:10:00] Chutt: how would you have thought it was broken?
[06:10:00] Chutt: they're down to 3 days of data, temporarily.
[06:10:00] dev-: because it was supposedly downloading guide data but not populating the db
[06:10:00] Chutt: you check that every day?
[06:10:00] dev-: so i thought i had a corrupt table
[06:10:00] kusznir_: ahh...ok.
[06:10:00] dev-: no, i checked it today, and it got nothing for 3 days
[06:11:00] dev-: so i investigated
[06:11:00] dtm: dev-: did you run a db consistency check then?
[06:11:00] dev-: found nothing wrong
[06:11:00] dev-: no i took the easy way out
[06:11:00] dev-: yay --refresh-all
[06:11:00] dev-: heh
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[06:11:00] dev-: the chances of that actually breaking something are slim to none — except for sweeping uninformed changes to zap2it
[06:12:00] Chutt: why are you still whining about it?
[06:12:00] dev-: but i applaud zap2it for giving this away for free, wouldnt be nice if they'd offer the option to pay 5$/month for 30days worth of guide data
[06:12:00] dev-: i wouldnt mind paying.
[06:12:00] Chutt: they don't even _have_ 30 days worth of data.
[06:12:00] dev-: er, would it
[06:12:00] dtm: Chutt: they do every 15 days ;)
[06:12:00] dev-: maybe they would if they started getting $ :)
[06:12:00] Chutt: err
[06:13:00] Chutt: this is the same company that supplies data to tivo
[06:13:00] Chutt: you don't think they get paid for that?
[06:13:00] dev-: ive only seen tivo once, but i thought it had more than 2weeks worth of guide data
[06:13:00] Yellow-Snow: anyone have one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/THERMALTAKE-Blue-Orbe-CPU . . . cmdZViewItem
[06:13:00] Chutt: nope
[06:13:00] Chutt: has the exact same data you're getting for free.
[06:14:00] dev-: which again, i wouldnt mind paying for
[06:14:00] dev-: im not someone who thinks everything in life should be free
[06:14:00] Chutt: you're sure acting like it
[06:14:00] Chutt: since you're whining like a 2 year old about them changing stuff around _temporarily_
[06:14:00] dev-: dont be a tool, ive aggrevated because they made sweeping changes (although temporary, as you said) without notifying their userbase. who's email they have on record
[06:14:00] Chutt: go to their support forums
[06:14:00] Chutt: it was announced there
[06:15:00] dev-: lol, yeah, i login to their site daily to check the forums. since i setup myth last spring i havent logged into there once. why would i. things work. when i have a problem, i dont automatically assume its their fault, or its myths fault, i actually investigate it on my own
[06:15:00] dev-: i know thats unheard of here
[06:16:00] Chutt: you don't even bother checking to see if someone else has the same problem?
[06:16:00] Chutt: ah well
[06:16:00] dev-: yeah, i came in here and asked
[06:16:00] dev-: got no response
[06:16:00] dev-: until you said check the userslist.
[06:16:00] Chutt: you'd probably be bitching about them spamming you if it had been a personal email.
[06:16:00] dev-: or shoudl i have googled for "mythfilldatase problem" — bet i would have gotten alot of quality results.
[06:17:00] nanoITX: ya know... if you get something FOR FREE, you probably don't have a right to complain... even if "they" are being clueless
[06:17:00] dev-: Chutt: dont make assumptions like that. zap2it has never sent me emails in the year ive been useing their service, except for account renewals
[06:17:00] Chutt: they sent out one last year
[06:17:00] Chutt: and a bunch of people did
[06:18:00] dev-: nanoITX: im not bitching about what they give away for free, im slightly miffed at the maner they conducted themselves with this sweeping change, albeit temporary
[06:18:00] Chutt: if you hadn't deleted your data, it wouldn't have affected you
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[06:18:00] Chutt: because, you know, when i have a problem, i delete stuff without making any backups first.
[06:18:00] johnt: hi
[06:18:00] dev-: sure it would, slowly but surely my guide data was erasing. unless they fixed it in 7 days it would be down to 3
[06:18:00] johnt: anyone knows why i am unable to switch from tuner 0 to s-video
[06:19:00] Chutt: you can guarantee that they won't 'fix' it in 7 days?
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[06:19:00] dev-: of course not, but can you guarantee they will?
[06:19:00] dev-: my last backup is from jan 21, i dont feel the need to backup mythconverg everyday. whats the point.
[06:19:00] dev-: unneeded io.
[06:19:00] Chutt: since all the myth users will start using _more_ resources in about two more days, then, yes.
[06:20:00]
[06:20:00] johnt: i tried changing from mythtv-setup and also ivtvctl -p6 but when i launch mythfrontend the input is still Tuner 0
[06:20:00] dev-: im not even really pissed about the 3days worth of data, because we've scheduled our shows for the next month easily. new pinks, etc. again, its just the way they went about it that bothers me slightly
[06:20:00] johnt: thank you
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[06:21:00] dev-: hopefully they decide to come out with a pay service for 15days worth of data
[06:21:00] dev-: id sign up in a heartbeat.
[06:21:00] dtm: is anyone working on indexing tv content based on subtitles?
[06:21:00] Chutt: dtm, not in myth, no
[06:22:00] dtm: yeah it'd be great to have that extra 2 days' worth huh? you could sit there in smug realization that broadcast media is still scheduled 2 weeks ahead.
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[06:22:00] dtm: they haven't shut it off yet! woo hoo
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[06:22:00] dtm: you can plan around your vacations and everything with that extra two days.
[06:23:00] Netslayer: what's the recommended nvidia card for hdtv output and ATSC OTA MPEG2 acceleration? I'm guessing a 5200 w/ dvi out?
[06:23:00] dtm: Chutt: how about other forms of relevancy based predictive recording, like tivo does?
[06:23:00] dtm: Chutt: i wonder what that'd take.
[06:23:00] Chutt: people start doing that every now and then
[06:23:00] Chutt: noone ever gets anywhere
[06:23:00] dtm: i wonder if that's possible with just the spartan metadata from zap2it
[06:23:00] Chutt: oh, easily.
[06:23:00] dtm: k
[06:24:00] dtm: coz i find the metadata to be so terse it's often totally useless unless i already know what it's about.
[06:27:00] dev-: I'm the (volunteer) developer for the accessDTV software. We are currently downloading the full 13 days each time we download the data, but I honestly don't know how many users we have hitting the DataDirect service.
[06:27:00] dev-: lol, nice
[06:28:00] Chutt: yeah
[06:28:00] Chutt: he posted a bunch to that thread
[06:28:00] Chutt: saying how hard it'll be for him to change over to not redownload data over and over and over
[06:28:00] dev-: my first thought is 'fucktard', but i will keep reading heh.
[06:28:00] Chutt: naw, your first thought's right.
[06:28:00] dev-: heh
[06:29:00] Chutt: same with all the other people saying they better 'fix it or else i'll look elsewhere for data'
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[06:32:00] Chutt: Correct, and good summary. The change to a 3 day window may not lessen the load on our system. We still need to conduct an analysis. If we do see an increase, believe me, we're going to look hard at switching immediately back to previous settings.
[06:32:00] Chutt: and they'll start seeing a major increase from myth users in another couple days, since it'll be retrying bunches of days by then :p
[06:33:00] Chutt: and the more people that upgrade to 0.19, the better it'll get for them from us, since it uses the suggested download time, etc
[06:33:00] dtm: Chutt: why don't they just force each username to only update once per few days?
[06:33:00] dev-: yeah i read the info on .19
[06:33:00] dtm: everyone has a unique login account.
[06:33:00] Chutt: dtm, what's 'update once'?
[06:33:00] dtm: they could just effectively provide an http firewall.
[06:34:00] Chutt: one 13 day download?
[06:34:00] dev-: was looking at upgrading tonight, is why i was looking around at everything. dthink i'll just go to bed now though
[06:34:00] Chutt: 2 1 day downloads?
[06:34:00] dtm: Chutt: well, to update less frequently.
[06:34:00] Chutt: there's a bunch of things they can do
[06:34:00] dtm: Chutt: we don't know what the problem is at all, right? whether it's bandwidth or whether it's server loadavg
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[06:36:00] Chutt: they say it's both
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[06:44:00] Cougar: damn, something very wrong with mythbackend. third time it fulled disk and died
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[06:47:00] ShockValue: verbose logging turned on?
[06:47:00] ShockValue: i managed to get an 8 gig log file tht way before i noticed what was wrong :)
[06:47:00] Cougar: -v schedule,network,jobqueue,file
[06:48:00] ShockValue: so, how big's your log file? :)
[06:48:00] Cougar: 66M only ;-)
[06:48:00] ShockValue: oh hm.. probably not it then
[06:48:00] rubix: hi, i am unable to use the internal volume controls after upgrading to 0.19, using pvr-350 with passthrough, getting this error: NVP: Disabling Audio, params(16,2,0) which indicates 16bit, 2 channel but sampling turned off, any ideas?
[06:49:00] Cougar: I already did ticket but it is closed as invalid
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[06:52:00] Cougar: ShockValue: this logfile size is not a problem because mythbackend died but it i much worse for slave backends who log two error lines every second after that
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[06:54:00] MissActek: How long should I wait with mythsetup sitting on 50% after telling it to use tv_grab_au, before assuming something's wrong?
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[06:55:00] ShockValue: MissActek – can you see the output in the terminal from myth-setup ? it might be trying to contact something
[06:56:00] Cougar: or it went to interactive mode wher you should answer some xmltv questions
[06:59:00] MissActek: Mm, I tried running tv_grab_au --config, and it asked some questions, but it didn't stop mythsetup sitting there gormlessly.
[07:07:00] Netslayer: what's the recommended cpu req for playing back 1080i MPEG2?
[07:09:00] phar0e: australia in the house!
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[07:10:00] feld: howdy all
[07:10:00] phar0e: I wish I was from Brisbane, I'd be like the Neighbours
[07:11:00] mchou: dev-: quit whining. There is nothing we can do about that.
[07:11:00] mchou: dev-: go complain to tribune media services :)
[07:12:00] rubix: anyone have problems changing volume after upgrade to 0.19?
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[07:21:00] bzbb: so, I jsut setup mythtv and its really choppy, also, no sounds
[07:22:00] bzbb: it also responds really slow
[07:22:00] feld: hey guys i just updated to .19 and it cant see the backend for some reason
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[07:23:00] feld: was anything changed that I havent noticed? :S
[07:27:00] ShockValue: feld – check that your mythtv user has permissions to the buffer/tv directories.. i had that same proble
[07:29:00] feld: nah it can't even connect to do simple config changes so something really odd is up
[07:29:00] ShockValue: whats your mythbackend.log say?
[07:30:00] feld: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[07:30:00] feld: few of those
[07:30:00] feld: few ERROR: file I/O problem in 'safe_read()': Bad file descriptor
[07:30:00] feld: but then it says "Starting up as the master server.
[07:30:00] Netslayer: feld, i'm seeing the same thing
[07:31:00] feld: right after the ERROR lines
[07:31:00] feld: Netslayer: you have .19 working successfully?
[07:31:00] Netslayer: well all my other boxen yes..this gentoo 64 box doesn't
[07:31:00] ShockValue: i had similar errors, not quite the same though
[07:31:00] Netslayer: when i go mythfrontend it can't connect to the db or something
[07:31:00] ShockValue: i had to "chown -r mythtv /tv
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[07:32:00] Netslayer: http://pastebin.com/552271
[07:32:00] marccd-g: what do you guys recommend XFS, or JFS?
[07:32:00] Netslayer: any ideas?
[07:32:00] feld: marccd-g: XFS here
[07:32:00] Netslayer: xfs personally
[07:32:00] Netslayer: ShockValue, i run all mythtv stuff as my user
[07:33:00] feld: great performance and its the best FS as far as fragmentation
[07:33:00] marccd-g: feld: no big problems with it?
[07:33:00] feld: marccd-g: never have
[07:33:00] marccd-g: I though journaled fs didnt fragment
[07:33:00] feld: i use it as my main FS on my regular workstation marccd-g
[07:33:00] ShockValue: including starting mythbackend ?
[07:33:00] feld: marccd-g: oh they do :) quite badly
[07:33:00] Netslayer: feld, is that what you're seeing as well? ^^
[07:33:00] feld: marccd-g: there's a lot of lies floating around about them. Reiserfs especially.
[07:33:00] feld: Netslayer: seeing what?
[07:33:00] marccd-g: feld: I use ext3, but I am considering XFS or JFS for a new drive to record MPEG2/4
[07:34:00] feld: oh let me check the pastebin
[07:34:00] Netslayer: feld, http://pastebin.com/552271
[07:34:00] marccd-g: Ive heard bad things with reiserfs, and reiser4 will never be done
[07:34:00] Netslayer: marccd-g, i'm on reiser4 right now heh
[07:34:00] ShockValue: i switched from reiserfs to xfs, simply because it deletes large files 1000% faster than reiser.... i saw no difference in performance otherwise
[07:34:00] Netslayer: raid 0 raptor reiser4 gcc4 amd64 gentoo
[07:34:00] marccd-g: Netslayer: I thought it was horribly unstable, at least wikipedia says so
[07:35:00] feld: I'll never use Reiser4 again. That's all I have to say :D
[07:35:00] Netslayer: .. never crashed yet
[07:35:00] feld: Reiser4 offers no speed improvements and its terribly inflexible
[07:35:00] Netslayer: i really need to get the rsync backup up again heh
[07:35:00] feld: you have to backup and remake the FS in order to upgrade it!!!!!!
[07:35:00] Netslayer: i think it's proven it's faster
[07:35:00] mchou: Netslayer: than what? a snail?
[07:35:00] Netslayer: oh well
[07:36:00] feld: you can't resize Reiser4 either
[07:36:00] Netslayer: i don't see why so many people are afraid of it
[07:36:00] feld: it's just unfinished
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[07:36:00] mchou: Netslayer: cause reiser has versioning issues
[07:36:00] marccd-g: anyways, I dont know what to choose, XFS or JFS.. do any of them work under windows? I.e is there an implementation like ext3 has?
[07:36:00] mchou: use the wrong ver fsck, you're hosed
[07:37:00] mchou: marccd-g: go with xfs
[07:37:00] ShockValue: marccd-g: nafaik. xfs seems to be popular with the mythtv crowd though
[07:37:00] Netslayer: what are the chances ubuntu mythtv 19 debs are out?
[07:37:00] feld: Netslayer: probably not
[07:38:00] marccd-g: will do. cant get to get my hands on my WinTV 350 and begin using MythTV.. Ive been using it with my webcam for testing.. even though it doesnt liek it (it works full frames for 3 seconds then stops, and so on)
[07:38:00] mchou: marccd-g: hahah!!!
[07:38:00] mchou: mythtv on a webcam
[07:38:00] feld: that's crazy marccd-g
[07:38:00] feld: but an intersting idea
[07:38:00] marccd-g: well its V4l, myth can handle it
[07:39:00] mchou: marccd-g: you running your own pr0n site? :)
[07:39:00] marccd-g: mchou: how did you guess?
[07:39:00] mchou: marccd-g: haha!!
[07:39:00] mchou: mythtv and webcam=>pr0n!
[07:40:00] mchou: just like American Pie
[07:40:00] Netslayer: can a 2.4 p4 + nvidia card handle 1080i MPEG2 playback w/ de interlacing?
[07:40:00] MissActek: Looks like mythsetup is making tv_grab_au run with --configure. Is that supposed to happen?
[07:41:00] marccd-g: Nem^2: maybe..
[07:41:00] marccd-g: it will handle 7i fine though
[07:42:00] marccd-g: Netslayer: test it.. try playing HD wmv or h264.. that will put some weight on your machine
[07:42:00] Netslayer: would xine be a comparible player to myth for hdtv content.. i have some here
[07:42:00] marccd-g: xine/mplayer/vlc can usually handle anything you throw at them
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[07:43:00] mchou: Netslayer: mplayer would peobably be better, more stats.....
[07:43:00] feld: I use mplayer for most vids and xine for DVDs
[07:43:00] marccd-g: although, compile them from source with all the right codecs.. binary packages for such things are usually not what you want
[07:43:00] mchou: robably*
[07:43:00] Netslayer: when outputting dvi -> hdmi -> a tv in hd would i need de interlacing?
[07:44:00] mchou: Netslayer: mplayer will tell you exactly how many frames skipped
[07:44:00] mchou: dont think xine does that, not in a nice presentable way, anyways
[07:45:00] Netslayer: i just go top
[07:45:00] Netslayer: and if it's 90% or below it's good
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[07:46:00] feld: 90% or below is good?
[07:47:00] feld: holy crap what kind of hardware are u running on 0_o
[07:47:00] Netslayer: i'm saying in general
[07:47:00] Netslayer: if it's maxing out the cpu then it'll drop frames
[07:47:00] Netslayer: i don't want any dropped
[07:47:00] Netslayer: i'm in the process of ordering a lot of comp hardware and need to know what'll generally work for playback
[07:48:00] Netslayer: my amd64 3200 uses around 70% to play it back
[07:48:00] feld: to play what bak
[07:48:00] feld: *back
[07:48:00] Netslayer: 1080i
[07:48:00] feld: hd content?
[07:48:00] Netslayer: mpeg2 from pchdtv3000
[07:48:00] feld: If I had some I'd play and see what it does to my system
[07:49:00] Netslayer: they have an example file on pchdtv.com downloads at the bottom
[07:49:00] feld: cool
[07:49:00] feld: let me give that sucker a shot
[07:49:00] mchou: bah, that example file is useless
[07:49:00] Netslayer: why?
[07:49:00] Netslayer: it's 1080o
[07:49:00] mchou: hardly has any motion on it
[07:49:00] Netslayer: i
[07:50:00] Netslayer: heh
[07:50:00] mchou: makes even a low power cpu look good
[07:50:00] feld: well damnit then
[07:50:00] Netslayer: it should give u an idea
[07:50:00] feld: any good test fines available?
[07:50:00] Spacey__: If it is constant bitrate encoding, I wouldn't think that motion levels would matter.
[07:50:00] mchou: you want something with lots of motion
[07:50:00] feld: Spacey__: good point
[07:51:00] mchou: Spacey__: umm, why not?
[07:51:00] feld: as long as it isnt variable bitrate it's a fine test file
[07:51:00] feld: unless we're testing our monitors
[07:51:00] feld: lol
[07:51:00] feld: motion means nothing then
[07:51:00] mchou: idct and motion compensation are compute intensive
[07:51:00] Spacey__: I just hooked up pchdtv on an old athlon 1.4 over the past few days, and it isn't cutting it for 1080i.
[07:52:00] mchou: Spacey__: haha, anyone could have told you THAT
[07:52:00] Netslayer: Spacey__, playback i'm guessing
[07:52:00] Spacey__: heh yeah
[07:52:00] Netslayer: my 3200 barely works w/ de interlacing
[07:52:00] marccd-g: so when I set up DataDirect (Already set everything up in mythtv-setup) and I run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-frontend, it downloads http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService over and over and give sme a message about mysubcsripction expiring, is that okay?
[07:53:00] Netslayer: ya
[07:53:00] mchou: Spacey__: you still havent answered my question on why motion doesnt matter
[07:53:00] marccd-g: I mean, why is it downloading the same file over and over, should I just cancel the loop? or keep it going?
[07:53:00] Arkkis: hey, anyone else having problems with 0.18 and editing commercial cutlist?
[07:54:00] Spacey__: mchou: If the stream is constant bitrate, then I would expect somewhat even computation is required to decode regardless of motion. I don't claim to be an expert though.
[07:54:00] mchou: Spacey__: lol
[07:54:00] mchou: constant/variable bit rate doesnt have much to do with motion compensation
[07:55:00] feld: Okay then
[07:55:00] mchou: at least not in terms of computational expense
[07:55:00] feld: Where do I find Blair Witch Project in this format then? lol
[07:55:00] feld: That shit will make you seasick
[07:56:00] mchou: feld: that was one CRAPPY movie
[07:56:00] mchou: I dont understand what the fuss was all about
[07:56:00] Spacey__: Well, you might as well at least try the demo file. If it doesn't play, then you at least know you're too slow. If it does play, then you haven't proven anything though...
[07:58:00] mchou: feld: this movie is MUCH better: http://imdb.com/title/tt0390384/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZ . . . 1;ft=65;fm=1
[07:58:00] mchou: for a "student" film
[07:59:00] marccd-g: MythTV seems amazing, I just need more experience with it. I still dont understand the whole backbend frontend thing. I mean whydoes the frontened need to configure the DB, doesnt the Backend handle db for all clients?
[07:59:00] phar0e: because the frontend holds settings specific to it on the database
[07:59:00] marccd-g: also anybody here have a WinTV 350? (just wanted to see what experiences you had, ive already researched about it)
[07:59:00] phar0e: like special shutdown commands, key settings, etc.
[08:00:00] marccd-g: ah, ok, it seems mythtv doenst like inno-db on remote dbs too, I had to set up a local mysql for it
[08:00:00] marccd-g: ok, each user has its own settings that are added to the DB
[08:00:00] phar0e: well each host does
[08:00:00] marccd-g: and locally in the users ~/.mythtv only the DB connection data is addedç
[08:00:00] feld: marccd-g: the frontend can connect to a backend recording TV on another computer and talk to the database on yet ANOTHER computer
[08:01:00] feld: marccd-g: its just very flexible
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[08:01:00] marccd-g: so the backbend handles all the recording?
[08:01:00] phar0e: I think the .mythtv folder is just for image caches for stuff like the theme
[08:01:00] marccd-g: the frontend just signals it what to do
[08:02:00] feld: holy crap that shit is crazy
[08:02:00] feld: 50% cpu on that file
[08:02:00] feld: xp3200 here
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[08:07:00] marccd-g: mythfilldatabase should be called as root?
[08:09:00] dtm: marccd-g: no
[08:09:00] dtm: marccd-g: it should be called by a user of least privilege who has access to the mysql db
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[08:11:00] marccd-g: ok, so the Live Tv recording preset is set to so you can watch it while encoding?
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[08:14:00] banyan: Hmm, does somebody know how to adjust the ivtv audio encoding level?
[08:14:00] marccd-g: banyan: do you happen to own a 350?
[08:14:00] marccd-g: I would check the ivtv FAQ
[08:14:00] feld: banyan: you mean it seems too quiet?
[08:14:00] banyan: I just started using the 2.6.15–1.1831_FC4 kernel and my recording level is pretty low all of a sudden.
[08:14:00] banyan: On a 350, yes.
[08:15:00] feld: mine has always been kinda quiet to
[08:15:00] feld: *too
[08:15:00] feld: just ignored it
[08:15:00] feld: mine is on a 250
[08:15:00] banyan: I get 60 hz hum when I turn up the audio loud enough...
[08:15:00] feld: yeah lol
[08:15:00] feld: gotta love that
[08:16:00] marccd-g: banyan: what is your experience with it? aside the audio bug?
[08:16:00] feld: banyan: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooti . . . audio_levels
[08:16:00] feld: try that
[08:16:00] feld: I'm going to do that too to change the audio level on mine
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[08:20:00] banyan: Meaning how do I like my 350? It's great by and large. The video output is very good quality.
[08:24:00] marccd-g: I am ordering one tomorrow
[08:24:00] marccd-g: setting up mythtv and so on on an Athlon 2000 / 256mb / Nvidia Riva TNT 16 / Onboard Audio CMIPCI / 10 gb for recording (I know)
[08:26:00] feld: I have 200gb for recording
[08:26:00] feld: and another 100gb available if I need to expand
[08:27:00] phar0e: 10gb?! disk space is so cheap these days
[08:27:00] phar0e: 10gb is like 10 cents
[08:27:00] marccd-g: 10 gb seems a lot
[08:28:00] marccd-g: 2gb for mpeg2, then I scale it down to 300mb xvid
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[08:29:00] MrEntropy: yo
[08:29:00] phar0e: yo
[08:29:00] MrEntropy: anyone here had luck getting the IR port on the Leadtek DVT1000-T to work?
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[08:33:00] MrEntropy: i've loaded the cx88-dvb driver with debug, but i get no IR debug output =/
[08:35:00] banyan: lol — I have like 430 GB for recordings.
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[09:18:00] buu: Hrm. Anyone know how to modify the audio/video sycnc?
[09:18:00] buu: In mplayer
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[09:19:00] juski: morning folks
[09:19:00] juski: uk users please take note: the Radio Times grabber seems to be okay again so yesterday's outage was probably nothing to worry about
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[09:39:00] MissActek: Hey, I've made a mythtv user as all the guides I can find recommend, but none of them say anything about what user to run mythfrontend as. Does it matter?
[09:39:00] Puh: mythweb is somehow confused
[09:39:00] Puh: it says that some future shows were already recorded
[09:40:00] stuarta: MissActek: no
[09:41:00] MissActek: stuarta: So it aquires that user's privelages when it runs, huh?
[09:42:00] stuarta: yep
[09:44:00] MissActek: Wonder what'd happen if I tried to run it without that user existing?
[09:44:00] juski: er.. I wouldn't even go there
[09:44:00] MissActek: Think the sun would go nova? Or Hilter would return to life? :P
[09:44:00] juski: it probably just wouldn't run
[09:44:00] MissActek: Pft, where's the fun in that?
[09:44:00] juski: wait a sec what am I saying?
[09:45:00] stuarta: it might break, and you get to keep both pieces...
[09:45:00] juski: you can run mythfrontend as any user you like so long as that user has the right privileges
[09:45:00] MissActek: juski: Yeah, but according to stuarta it aquires the privelages of the 'mythtv' user.
[09:45:00] ** stuarta feeds juski morning coffee. **
[09:45:00] stuarta: that's not what I said.
[09:45:00] juski: cheers stuarta ;-)
[09:45:00] MissActek: Oh?
[09:46:00] MissActek: Okay, so how do I make it run as mythtv? :/
[09:46:00] juski: run it from your mythtv account
[09:46:00] MissActek: Automatically at startup, I meant.
[09:46:00] juski: put mythfrontend in your .xinitrc file
[09:47:00] MissActek: But then I'd have to log on.
[09:47:00] stuarta: there's an auto log on feature with gdm or kdm these days
[09:48:00] MissActek: So everyone has to log in to their TV, then? :P
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[09:48:00] juski: read some gdm or kdm documentation and all will become clear ;-)
[09:49:00] juski: we encourage people to at least do _some_ of the legwork here
[09:49:00] juski: well I do anyway
[09:49:00] stuarta: we point & prod :)
[09:49:00] stuarta: sometimes leave trails of breadcrumbs...
[09:49:00] MissActek: Mm, I'm trying to use xdm tho.
[09:49:00] MissActek: No WM either.
[09:49:00] juski: it's often misconstrued as us being cruel & unhelpful (as if we care what people think), but it's not
[09:50:00] stuarta: xdm is harder, but still doable.
[09:50:00] MissActek: Yay, taxi time. :P
[09:50:00] juski: MissActek: you'll probably need a WM if you want to use external video players
[09:50:00] ** MissActek gets her keys **
[09:51:00] MissActek: Why's that?
[09:51:00] juski: focus issues
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[09:51:00] juski: a player might close but not give focus back to mythtv
[09:51:00] MissActek: What would you recommend then? EvilWM?
[09:51:00] juski: ratpoison, EvilWM... you name em.. some are better than others
[09:51:00] juski: currently using ratpoison
[09:52:00] MissActek: Ratpoison, right.
[09:52:00] MissActek: How does that help focus issues, by the way?
[09:53:00] MissActek: Does it impliment some kind of alt+tab? I noticed X without a WM doesn't have it.
[09:55:00] MissActek: Anyway, gotta go be a taxi.
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[09:59:00] directhex|work: i found xfwm4 best-behaved with regard to focus issues, of those i tried
[09:59:00] fatmatt: ratpoison works well for me
[10:02:00] buu: YAY RATPOISON
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[10:02:00] quitte: hi
[10:02:00] buu: I have found another den of ratpoison lovers?
[10:02:00] quitte: is it possible to somehow just watch tv? without buffering and recording?
[10:03:00] Merlin83b: No, quitte.
[10:03:00] fatmatt: quitte: no
[10:03:00] Merlin83b: It will always be buffered.
[10:03:00] Merlin83b: (heh, replaced f with g in that at first)
[10:03:00] quitte: :( this box is too slow to both record and play
[10:04:00] juski: quitte: oops
[10:04:00] fatmatt: looking in the changelog for 0.19 it says the switching from channel to channel is faster, improvements to bufferring maybe?
[10:04:00] UBL: quitte, try xawtv
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[10:04:00] juski: tvtime
[10:05:00] quitte: i like mythtv for its great integration of dvd vcd music and all that. a just tv app doesnt help a lot there
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[10:06:00] directhex|work: now. do i bother upgrading to 0.19, or just switch to 0.19 when i finish with my new setup?
[10:06:00] fatmatt: I'm probably going to leave it until I hear good reviews about new debs and I install an extra dvb-t tuner
[10:07:00] juski: gentoo comes off my backend this week. not for me any longer.. ubuntu here I come
[10:07:00] fatmatt: anyone know if the ubuntu debs work easily / well for debian?
[10:07:00] quitte: fatmatt: dont do it
[10:07:00] juski: ubuntu & mythtv... fingers in gloves ;-)
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[10:08:00] quitte: fatmatt: usually gets your system in a state where its almot impossible to switch back to debian only
[10:08:00] fatmatt: is that ubuntu in general with mythtv, or just my frankenstein idea?
[10:08:00] quitte: fatmatt: marillat has mythtv
[10:09:00] fatmatt: he;s going to have 0.19?
[10:09:00] quitte: no idea. but there are source packages. you can use them as an example to update
[10:10:00] quitte: fatmatt: or you convince me that 0.19 is that great that i wantt do it
[10:10:00] fatmatt: If the ubuntu people are going to keep it updated regularly then I might just look at switching my whole system over to that
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[10:11:00] quitte: fatmatt: or you put a dapper deb-srcline in your sources.list and compile ubuntus debs for your debian system?
[10:12:00] fatmatt: hmmm, could try that, hate compiling though always have dependency issues
[10:12:00] quitte: apt-get build-dep
[10:12:00] fatmatt: yah
[10:13:00] johnp_: Has anyone noticed preview corruption with 0.19 and widescreen shows ?
[10:13:00] fatmatt: I've had a lot of crap in that system, basically due to obscure packages people have required at various times for various bits of software I've needed to compile, its a mess
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[10:14:00] directhex|work: support for importing channels.conf? neat
[10:15:00] quitte: fatmatt: im unable to parse your statement
[10:15:00] juski: directthex|work: don't rely on that!
[10:15:00] johnp_: juski: cheek :-P
[10:15:00] juski: anyway when I upgrade I'll be using a patched 0.19 to get DVB radio & better EIT data handling
[10:16:00] johnp_: juski: not that I'm saying you're wrong of course. I got fed up with people asking for it.
[10:17:00] stuarta: mmmm, time to get started on the eit rewrite...
[10:17:00] juski: johnp_: the channels.conf import thing is very well & good but doesn't quite get enough info for DVB to work properly – not your fault though ;-)
[10:17:00] Cougar: eit means what?
[10:17:00] stuarta: Event Information
[10:17:00] johnp_: Cougar: DVB EPG.
[10:18:00] fredriko: hi, i have a problem, not really related to mythtv but i guess you guys know this
[10:18:00] Cougar: johnp_: I know that it is epg but didn't know what letteres mean
[10:18:00] fredriko: take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/552363
[10:18:00] fredriko: why wont it find any channels when the configuration seems ok?
[10:19:00] directhex|work: i wonder which data i can rely on more, EIT or the Radio Times
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[10:19:00] juski: directthex|work: if you want to use EIT in 0.19 as it stands, I'd recommend you patch it first
[10:20:00] johnp_: Cougar: Damn TLA has fallen out my brain.
[10:20:00] directhex|work: RT i'd get 2 weeks, but not all channels are in there. and they have this maddening habit of changing a program's title from week to week, preventing series recording
[10:20:00] stuarta: Apparently Radio Times data is more complete, but I use EIT no problem
[10:20:00] directhex|work: juski, i'll probably have to patch 0.19 anyway, with modified versions of a few of my 0.18 patches
[10:20:00] ** juski finds nothing wrong with the RadioTimes data & never misses a show **
[10:20:00] directhex|work: juski, random example: change from "The F Word" to "Gordon Ramsay's F Word" mid-season
[10:21:00] ** stuarta can't be bothered with radio times. **
[10:21:00] juski: ahhh ... lol
[10:21:00] directhex|work: or sometimes having "Agatha Christie's Poirot", somteimes "Agatha Christie's Poitor – Episodename"
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[10:21:00] juski: very apt that it's the f-word then... and a custom schedule could get around that
[10:21:00] directhex|work: it could. if you notice BEFORE you start missing recordings
[10:21:00] juski: I like having 14 days' worth though
[10:21:00] stuarta: The monkeys the employ to type in the data aren't very accurate.
[10:22:00] stuarta: s/the/they
[10:22:00] juski: and since I added all my cable channels, I kinda rely on RT now
[10:23:00] juski: so it's swings & roundabouts as to which is better ;-)
[10:23:00] stuarta: give us a month or so....
[10:24:00] directhex|work: i think i'll wait for 0.19 upgrades, for the time being
[10:24:00] directhex|work: seems like wasted effort when i'm redoing everything asap anyway
[10:24:00] juski: stuarta: are you saying there are gonna be improvements to the EIT stuff in addition to bringing the CPU usage down?
[10:24:00] stuarta: complete rewrite...
[10:25:00] stuarta: well extensive anyway
[10:25:00] stuarta: ticket #1035
[10:25:00] directhex|work: does the internal mythdvd player have menu support?
[10:26:00] juski: sometimes
[10:29:00] directhex|work: sometimes? O_o
[10:29:00] juski: yeah. sometimes. see the devs mailing list
[10:29:00] juski: as in – it works with some discs but not others, etc
[10:29:00] directhex|work: i think i'll stick with VLC
[10:30:00] directhex|work: or if i move to epia frontends, i should learn to love xine
[10:31:00] juski: xine is fantastic IMHO.. so long as you never see the GUI
[10:32:00] juski: moving to EPIA frontends probably isn't a good long term solution – they'll not be able to work with HDTV
[10:32:00] juski: great until then, though :-)
[10:33:00] directhex|work: not like hdtv's gonna land in DVB-T land for a while though
[10:34:00] directhex|work: and a CN400 board with 800MHz epia can apparently cope with hdtv. apparently
[10:34:00] ** johnp_ looks fondly into the future : 2012. **
[10:35:00] juski: not MPEG4 HDTV it can't. and that's what it's gonna be. H.264 or whatever, not MPEG2
[10:36:00] Merlin83b: I think Via will release something else before then :-)
[10:36:00] juski: as for whether a CN400 can cope with HDTV, speak to NanoITX in here – ask him how well it goes ;-)
[10:36:00] stuarta: that begs the question, can mpeg2 hardware be made to assist mpeg4??
[10:38:00] dtm: stuarta: no
[10:39:00] stuarta: That would have been my guess.
[10:41:00] johnp_: So no one has seen "my" preview window problem ? ( TBH it doesn't happen with the ProjectGrayhem theme.) :( Damn looks like I'll have to get the debugger out.
[10:41:00] directhex|work: juski, cn400 is meant to have "MPEG-4 Accelerator" features. interpreting that is left to the reader though, i think
[10:41:00] stuarta: how much of the math is the same between mpeg2 & 4?
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[10:57:00] juski: johnp_: problem doesn't happen with my theme? bugger me that makes a change!
[10:57:00] johnp_: juski: I know I was shocked/surprised as well ;)
[10:58:00] juski: maybe in other themes the aspect ratio of the preview window is wrong & that's what causes the corruption
[10:59:00] juski: btw which version of the theme? wide or not wide?
[11:00:00] johnp_: juski: could be, I do see the image, but it's washed out with other colour information scrolling across. (Weird)
[11:00:00] johnp_: juski: wide
[11:00:00] juski: that confirms my suspicion then ;-)
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[11:01:00] johnp_: I could prove it with minimalist-wide maybe.
[11:01:00] johnp_: (or not)
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[11:03:00] octan: hello i need help.. is Hauppauge WinTV PVR500 PCI with/2xTV-tuner a good tv card and well supported???
[11:03:00] juski: well I borrowed some stuff from minimalist-wide, so maybe ;-)
[11:03:00] octan: im about to order a new tv card
[11:03:00] juski: octan: pvr500 would be an excellent choice
[11:03:00] octan: ok.. thxz :DD
[11:04:00] octan: im ordering it then :)
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[11:04:00] juski: 'all' you need to get it working in linux is the ivtv driver set . see www.ivtvdriver.org for details on that
[11:04:00] johnp_: too late
[11:04:00] juski: he'll be back ;-)
[11:06:00] Puh: is there a way to select default dvb subtitle & audio?
[11:06:00] ** stuarta suspects juski has an evil streak. **
[11:06:00] Puh: i would like to always see finnish subtitles if they're available
[11:06:00] johnp_: via the menu perhaps ?
[11:06:00] ** juski really does have an evil streak. he's been using gentoo for too long **
[11:06:00] stuarta: setup your preferred language settings.
[11:07:00] Puh: hmh
[11:07:00] johnp_: is there a gui option for that these days ?
[11:07:00] Puh: that's what i'm asking
[11:07:00] stuarta: interesting question...
[11:07:00] juski: I believe it takes it from your local environment
[11:07:00] Puh: baah
[11:07:00] ** johnp_ is not convinced **
[11:07:00] juski: either that or there IS an option
[11:08:00] juski: how do the translations for menus know where you live? ;-)
[11:08:00] Puh: i'm using english menus
[11:08:00] juski: maybe that's why Finnish isn't your default language then
[11:08:00] johnp_: Puh: can you see finnish in the live tv menus.
[11:09:00] johnp_: the subtitle option that is.
[11:09:00] Puh: yes the language selection is there, but i would want it to default to finnish
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[11:09:00] juski: so you don't want to choose which language.. just assume it's always Finnish..
[11:09:00] Puh: exactly
[11:09:00] juski: patch!
[11:09:00] Puh: ;)
[11:10:00] stuarta: hmmm, thought you could set that....
[11:10:00] Puh: then again i can live with finnish menus if that automatically gives me finnish subs also ..? :)
[11:10:00] juski: Puh: that might work
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[11:10:00] Puh: i have to try that
[11:11:00] juski: not played with subtitles much, though I recently rediscovered the fun that can be had watching music shows with subtitles
[11:11:00] Puh: :)
[11:11:00] Puh: i also tested the audio track selection, works great
[11:11:00] juski: song with a French bit in the middle... (singing in French).. yeah _right_, gee thanks!
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[11:13:00] johnp_: I can't find a reference to it. I'm sure dtk put the gui option in somewhere though.
[11:13:00] stuarta: database attribute is ISO639Language0
[11:14:00] Puh: ok, i have to shuffle through all the menus again
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[11:16:00] johnp_: Found this :  UPDATE settings SET data="deu" WHERE value="ISO639Language0";
[11:16:00] johnp_: obviously you'll probably want "fin" instead of "deu" :)
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[11:45:00] juski: hahaha. the M$ DHCP server here at work is giving out duplicate addresses
[11:46:00] juski: "that shouldn't happen", said IT. Yup
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[11:51:00] dtm: juski: well there ya have it.
[11:52:00] juski: that's all they said. they're not looking into doing anything about it
[11:53:00] juski: I'll leave em to it
[11:53:00] Merlin83b: Isn't that stopping people's computers from working though?
[11:54:00] juski: yeah but it's not my problem
[11:54:00] Merlin83b: So long as your computer works, huh?  :-)
[11:54:00] juski: aye
[11:54:00] stuarta: SEP :)
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[11:55:00] stuarta: actually that should be S.E.P.
[11:55:00] juski: I don't get paid enough to ensure the company network works properly as well
[11:55:00] juski: that's _their_ job ;-)
[11:59:00] tweak_st: what do i need for dts passthrough?
[11:59:00] tweak_st: when i ./configure it has 'no' next to it
[12:00:00] MissActek: Hm. I'm using mplayer and MythVideo, and sometimes (invaribly after first time) my keyboard commands don't seem to get through.
[12:01:00] directhex|work: sounds like focus issues to me
[12:01:00] juski: MissActek: sounds like focus issues
[12:01:00] ** directhex|work sprays window cleaner on crystal ball **
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[12:02:00] ** stuarta remembers the discussion of window managers from a few hours ago **
[12:03:00] stuarta: directx: thought crystal balls ran on special brew :)
[12:03:00] juski: .. started by the person with the current question, no less
[12:04:00] stuarta: as you said before "he'll be back"
[12:04:00] stuarta: even tho 'he' was a different person.
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[12:11:00] MissActek: juski: Yes, but if I use evilWM's alt+tab, then I get back to the MythVideo GUI with nothing in it, and that won't respond either.
[12:11:00] stuarta: probably isn't sending an expose event or similar
[12:14:00] MissActek: Mm? Do I need to use a better WM?
[12:14:00] stuarta: at a guess, yes.
[12:14:00] MissActek: Mm. :/
[12:14:00] MissActek: And I liked the idea of evilWM.
[12:15:00] stuarta: try it and see.
[12:15:00] MissActek: Maybe I could use xine instead of mplayer?
[12:15:00] directhex|work: but evilwm is evil!
[12:15:00] juski: really? lol
[12:16:00] MissActek: I guess I could just bite the bullet and install gnome or KDE. Then I can connect remotely and X, and make use of gdm/kdm...
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[12:16:00] juski: using gdm or kdm is no guarantee of getting the right focus all the time
[12:16:00] directhex|work: i found xfwm4 to behave best for me focuswise. YMMV
[12:17:00] juski: not by default anyway. my old gentoo frontend sometimes didn't give focus back to mythtv when a video had stopped playing
[12:17:00] stuarta: focus 'stricly' follows mouse is a pain.
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[12:18:00] tweak_st: hmm libdts is getting sued...not a good thing
[12:18:00] juski: whatever minimyth uses seems to be pretty shit-hot though
[12:21:00] MissActek: What's minimyth, and what's libdts?
[12:22:00] juski: minimyth is a frontend only distro for EPIA systems, mostly
[12:22:00] juski: and libdts is the OSS DTS decoder
[12:22:00] MissActek: Oh. Neat.
[12:22:00] ** MissActek looks up libdts **
[12:23:00] juski: or.. not so neat since it's become available
[12:23:00] juski: oops... I mean not so neat since it's become unavailable
[12:24:00] directhex|work: omg! teh patents!
[12:24:00] tweak_st: didnt stop libcss...
[12:24:00] MissActek: Software patents, huh?
[12:24:00] directhex|work: how many years from now before an entire nation is formed, made only of disgruntled geeks, with no patent laws...
[12:24:00] tweak_st: jeez you dont need to put your REAL NAME in there
[12:24:00] tweak_st: as well as your address, ssn and bending over
[12:25:00] MissActek: What are you talking about?
[12:25:00] Merlin83b: directhex|work: Seaeland
[12:25:00] Merlin83b: Erm, Sealand
[12:25:00] juski: heh
[12:26:00] dtm: directhex|work: it'd be blasted into atlantis before then ;->
[12:26:00] tweak_st: ive read about some small company thats a frontend for such enterprises
[12:27:00] tweak_st: s/company/country
[12:27:00] tweak_st: cant remember the name though =\
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[12:30:00] quitte: hi. i found a dc30 in my hardware cardbox. but i cant figure out how to load th driver
[12:30:00] tweak_st: shame with libdts...makes me want to find the source and code the damn thing just for spite
[12:30:00] quitte: iirc it was bttv with some option to the module. but the list with the options to use seems to have disappeared from the kernel docs
[12:31:00] juski: a quick google reveals this: http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e8125426/dc30/
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[12:34:00] quitte: thisis from 1998. it is now in the vanilla kernel
[12:34:00] MissActek: Bleh, Wikipedia — Font of All Human Knowledge — is down. Where might I find DTS streams that I'd want to decode with this libdts?
[12:34:00] juski: tweak_st: libdca (formerly libdts) aren't being sued. They've been asked to stop distributing it while they look into the patent issue
[12:34:00] juski: MissActek: on DVDs
[12:35:00] juski: and possibly in HDTV streams
[12:35:00] MissActek: I thought DVDs used something else?
[12:35:00] MissActek: It's audio, right?
[12:36:00] tweak_st: most digital tv streams use it as well
[12:36:00] juski: DVD can use PCM, MPEG2 layer 1, AC3, DTS ...
[12:36:00] MissActek: Ahh.
[12:36:00] juski: tweak_st: not most. _some_
[12:36:00] MissActek: Dunno if our terrestrial service around here does or not.
[12:37:00] MissActek: The initialism is familiar, now that I think of it, actually.
[12:38:00] juski: DVB audio is either stereo MPEG1 layer 2 or AC3 here in Europe IIRC
[12:38:00] MissActek: Probably the same here then.
[12:39:00] juski: AC3 can carry 5.1 channels, only it's not regarded to be 'as good' as DTS
[12:39:00] juski: I can hardly tell the difference
[12:39:00] [Elvis]: when I tune watch tv....my screen goes black and it just crashes my pc...is this a known problem?
[12:39:00] directhex|work: is there really enough bandwidth for PCM on DVB?
[12:39:00] directhex|work: oh, wait, i read a D as B
[12:40:00] quitte: i keep getting the message dc30: no tv decoder loaded for device
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[12:40:00] juski: [Elvis]: you still not solved that one yet?
[12:41:00] juski: 1. test the tuner outside of mythtv. if it crashes without the help of mythtv, it's mostly beyond the scope of this channel but we can try to help
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[12:41:00] Elvis: hmm
[12:41:00] Elvis: well
[12:41:00] Elvis: hang on
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[12:41:00] Elvis: it did work outside until I did a kernel update
[12:41:00] Elvis: maybe that changed something
[12:41:00] juski: duh. there you go
[12:42:00] juski: seen as drivers are erm.. part of the kernel one way or the other
[12:42:00] MissActek: Well, I think I have enough of a test. When I get a decent box built up, I should be able to set my system up nicely.
[12:42:00] Elvis: I'll just see if it still works outside mythtv
[12:42:00] juski: Elvis: it probably won't
[12:42:00] MissActek: One question, though. Is there any way to disable the TV watching/recording part of Myth and just use MythVideo, MythGame et cetera?
[12:43:00] juski: MissActek: no need to disable it – just don't use it
[12:43:00] Elvis: well see I'll just let it cat /dev/v4l/video0 to a file
[12:43:00] directhex|work: experience has taught me not to mess with a mythtv machine once it's configured, lest it break messily. my machine's running a ~1year old debian unstable snapshot, with a horribly patched kernel
[12:43:00] juski: Elvis: unless your tuner is a PVR card that won't work
[12:43:00] Elvis: it's pvr
[12:43:00] juski: ok then
[12:43:00] MissActek: juski: Meh, I'd rather it wasn't in the menu, seeing as trying to use it even accidentally either locks up MythTV forcing me to quit X, or crashes X somehow.
[12:44:00] juski: MissActek: it'd be possible to remove it
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[12:44:00] juski: I dunno why you'd not want the TV features – they're the only thing that you can't get anywhere else to the same degree
[12:44:00] MissActek: Just want to hide them until I have a TV card, that's all.
[12:45:00] MissActek: Well, question for later I think. It's late.
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[12:45:00] MissActek: I'll leave you all in peace. ^.^
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[12:46:00] quitte: MissActek: in /usr/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml
[12:46:00] quitte: bah
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[12:47:00] Wole: hola!
[12:47:00] ** Wole waves **
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[12:47:00] [Elvis]: weird shit, software aborts
[12:48:00] Wole: If i remember rightly, one of the regulars in here is an IPTV/CCTV over IP professional (I was after a bit of advice, sorry for off topic)
[12:48:00] juski: not me
[12:49:00] juski: or was it? ;-)
[12:49:00] directhex|work: juski, depends if you get £75 an hour consultancy fee from Wole, surely?
[12:49:00] juski: surely does, yes
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[12:50:00] juski: come on woley spit it out :)
[12:50:00] Wole: At that rate i could pobably afford about 30 seconds ;)
[12:51:00] Wole: We are implementing a new CCTV system uwsing IP cameras – I wondered if there was any decent open source backend software..
[12:51:00] Wole: for recording
[12:51:00] juski: hmmm
[12:51:00] juski: can't speak from experience but there are 2 or 3 linux cctv DVR apps
[12:52:00] Wole: and if not, what you would reccomend – (about 5 or 6 cameras)
[12:52:00] Wole: zoneminder any good?
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[12:54:00] juski: if you're serious about it – I mean taking security really seriously I'd recommend yoy one of these : http://www.dedicatedmicros.com/europe/product . . . oduct_id=150
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[12:54:00] juski: Kelerion – you tried zoneminder yesterday didn't you? and it didn't work – so I can't recommend that
[12:55:00] Kelerion: I couldn't compile it.. but I put it down to ffmpeg – so I think it's do-able
[12:55:00] juski: aha
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[12:56:00] Kelerion: I was trying it on an fc4 machine but I think I'd have better luck on an ubuntu machine as I've compiled ffmpeg reliant apps on that before
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[12:56:00] juski: Wole: if you're not using megapixel IP cams there's little point in using IP at all
[12:57:00] Kelerion: am planning on trying it today again actually with ubuntu – so will let you (and Wole) know
[12:57:00] juski: actually a mate of mine here wants to set a system up at home to make sure his landlord isn't being naughty
[12:58:00] Wole: Kelerion, I thought that there were rpm's available?
[12:58:00] juski: naturally we can't afford to buy stuff we make, for ourselves ;-)
[12:58:00] Kelerion: just dumping some screenshots from my cameras to disk and printer now.. police saw them yesterday and thought they'd be useful
[12:58:00] juski: I thought there were whole distros with zoneminder wrapped into them...
[12:58:00] Wole: juski: lol, that goes without saying – if we could we wouldn't be playing with myth ;)
[12:59:00] juski: Wole: oh I dunno... it pisses all over MCE & everything else
[12:59:00] juski: 2 tuners?! no analogue + digital, it's one or the other
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[13:00:00] juski: mediaportal – yeah great on a 10GHz 10GB RAM machine no doubt
[13:00:00] [Elvis]: juski
[13:00:00] [Elvis]: the card works outside mythtv
[13:00:00] juski: [Elvis]
[13:00:00] juski: right so you've not set it up in mythtv properly
[13:00:00] [Elvis]: maybe it resetted let me check
[13:00:00] juski: first thing to check is the capture card type – make absolutely sure it's set to 'mpeg2 encoder (pvr250/350)'
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: it is
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: and set to tuner also so that's correct
[13:01:00] juski: that case I'm all out of ideas, sorry
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: maybe video source
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: hmm everything looks ok
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: omg..it just goes to a black screen
[13:01:00] [Elvis]: and then crashes :(
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[13:03:00] [Elvis]: juski is there a log for mythfrontned?
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[13:06:00] [Elvis]: juski could it be a error in my sounddevices making it crash?
[13:06:00] Wole: [elvis] if you run it from a console you can see what it's doing
[13:07:00] [Elvis]: wole..not when I do whatch livetv
[13:07:00] [Elvis]: since that goes in fullscreen
[13:07:00] [Elvis]: :(
[13:08:00] Wole: [Elvis]you shoud still be able to alt+tab?
[13:08:00] [Elvis]: no wole since it crashes my box
[13:08:00] [Elvis]: when I start it
[13:09:00] Wole: ooh
[13:09:00] [Elvis]: well..I can still press ctrl+alt+Del and it will reboot
[13:09:00] [Elvis]: not good this
[13:09:00] Wole: you could run mythfrontend >textfile.txt
[13:10:00] [Elvis]: you can?
[13:10:00] [Elvis]: let's try that then
[13:10:00] [Elvis]: ?:P
[13:10:00] Wole: mine sometimes hangs when it cant tune properly – have you reied setting the starting station to be a differnet number?
[13:11:00] Wole: from mythtv-setup?
[13:11:00] [Elvis]: well...could that be the problem you think?
[13:11:00] [Elvis]: hmm you could be right
[13:11:00] Wole: don't know.
[13:11:00] [Elvis]: I didn't tune a frequency for the starting channel?
[13:11:00] [Elvis]: will that make it hang?
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[13:12:00] Wole: actually, thinking about it that's only when you go to "watch tv"
[13:12:00] [Elvis]: yeah
[13:12:00] [Elvis]: that's when it hangs
[13:12:00] [Elvis]: ..
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[13:13:00] [Elvis]: omg I'm going crazy
[13:14:00] [Elvis]: it worked before?
[13:15:00] Wole: check your starting channel
[13:16:00] Wole: change to one that you know is good
[13:16:00] Wole: not 3 (default)
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[13:17:00] [Elvis]: ok
[13:17:00] [Elvis]: I wrote it to test.txt
[13:18:00] [Elvis]: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/test.txt
[13:18:00] [Elvis]: is that normal?
[13:19:00] [Elvis]: Video timing method: USleep with busy wait
[13:20:00] tweak_st: anybody get fftw working? i see in config it checks for single and double precision yet i cant compile fftw with both..
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[13:20:00] [Elvis]: this looks like my problem: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005-July/095999.html
[13:23:00] Wole: [Elvis] Hmmm, don;t know – I was getting 'error tuning to transport' – but then i was using DVB
[13:26:00] juski: any problems with 0.18 will go unsupported now 0.19 is out btw
[13:27:00] ** directhex|work wonders how much hacking 0.19 will need for a shutdown button, and no "exit mythtv" option **
[13:28:00] juski: directhex|work: not much. you can map a lirc key to a shutdown command with irexec
[13:29:00] GreyFoxx: directhex|work: 1 line of code to put in the shutdown if the frontend is on the same box as the backend
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[13:30:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, i think i'm being misunderstood. one thing that annoyed me with 0.18 was that the "exit" button on my remote not only went up a menu level, but would offer to exit mythtv if i pressed it too many times. unless i changed the Exit key's mapping from Esc to $somekey-Esc.
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[13:31:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, so i removed the ability to exit that way, and added a new meta-free key for displaying the quit menu. then i did the somewhat simpler removal of the "exit" & adding of "exit & shutdown"
[13:31:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, basically i wanted the power button on the remote to be concerned with power, not the exit button
[13:31:00] [Elvis]: juski any idea why I can't use /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 in myth ?
[13:32:00] [Elvis]: I can only select /dev/v4l/video0
[13:32:00] GreyFoxx: For some reason I thought there was an exit jumppoint already
[13:32:00] juski: [Elvis] I'm not sure ivtv should make the device appear as /dev/v4l/video anything
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[13:33:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, if so, i didn't notice it
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[13:33:00] [Elvis]: yeah it did juski
[13:33:00] tweak_st: directhex|work you could put in one line in programs/frontend but you would need to recompile...
[13:34:00] [Elvis]: omg why am I getting this freaking black screen...
[13:34:00] [Elvis]: :(
[13:34:00] juski: maybe if you point mythtv at /dev/video0 instead...
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[13:34:00] GreyFoxx: Nope, there isn't an Exit Menu jumppoint
[13:34:00] [Elvis]: just tried that juski ....no result
[13:35:00] tweak_st: programs/frontend/main.cpp:453
[13:35:00] tweak_st: put in return NO_EXIT; at beginning of that function
[13:35:00] juski: did you restart mythbackend after changing it, [Elvis] ?
[13:35:00] tweak_st: recompile, run
[13:35:00] directhex|work: tweak_st, note, i have *no idea* what 0.19 looks like
[13:35:00] tweak_st: did you install from source?
[13:36:00] [Elvis]: juski it must be in something else..
[13:37:00] [Elvis]: because before I got the sound working it worked..
[13:37:00] directhex|work: this is a while back, building from mdz's debian package sources
[13:37:00] directhex|work: i fiddled mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libmyth/themedmenu.cpp and mythtv-0.18.1/libs/libmyth/mythdialogs.cpp to do it
[13:37:00] juski: [Elvis] try getting help on an ivtv forum/channel ;-)
[13:37:00] [Elvis]: well juski
[13:37:00] [Elvis]: but the card works?
[13:37:00] directhex|work: it wasn't foolproof (settings windows provided by plugins sometimes needed the power button instead of escape key used), but other than that it behaves
[13:38:00] [Elvis]: ok can anyone tell me what gets loaded after Video timing method: USleep with busy wait ? when switching to live tv?
[13:38:00] juski: [Elvis] – then it's something you've not done / done wrong in configuring mythtv
[13:39:00] juski: see if making recordings works okay too – do a bit of detective work
[13:40:00] juski: if your cat /dev/video0 worked, but mythtv is set to use /dev/v4l/video0 – then that's the cause of the problem
[13:40:00] tweak_st: directhex|work, so you want it to show "Yes, Exit and Shutdown" instead of "Yes, Exit now" ?
[13:41:00] tweak_st: and shutdown of course
[13:42:00] directhex|work: tweak_st, that was one of my changes, yes
[13:43:00] tweak_st: i see that is only possible if you are only running a frontend, but you could modify that file
[13:43:00] directhex|work: tweak_st, as i have done. in the past. with 0.18.1
[13:44:00] juski: that sort of intimates that shutting the backend down isn't really a great idea, to me
[13:44:00] directhex|work: tweak_st, i see no reason for a dedicated mythtv machine to offer to quit mythtv – if i have maintenance to do, i have ssh, and i have a keyboard with alt-f2;xterm;<enter>
[13:44:00] tweak_st: ah k, so you dont need any help ;)
[13:44:00] tweak_st: well you could have it do nothing like i have done
[13:44:00] directhex|work: juski, shutting down the back-end is smart when, e.g., you need to open it up to mess with the hard disks
[13:45:00] juski: yeh but a menu option to do that?
[13:45:00] juski: that, say.. any old person could operate? not a good idea IMHO.
[13:45:00] juski: I've covered up IR remote windows in the past to stop that kind of thing
[13:46:00] juski: if you wanna do that it's your perogative of course :-)
[13:46:00] directhex|work: juski, the power button isn't directly under the thumb, you have to go out of your way to push it, scroll down to "exit and shutdown", then hit OK
[13:46:00] directhex|work: if you did so, you probably meant it
[13:47:00] juski: fairy snuff
[13:47:00] juski: my wife'd probably manage to shut it down without meaning to though
[13:47:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, so is there still no exit menu jumppoint in 0.19?
[13:47:00] juski: random button presser, god bless her ;-)
[13:47:00] directhex|work: my other half's smarter than yours then ;)
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: No, there doesn't appear to be
[13:48:00] [Elvis]: ok juski..
[13:48:00] juski: just goes to show you can't have it all ways ;-P
[13:48:00] [Elvis]: here's the deal when I record something and go to medialibrary..it shows the recording in a small screen..that works..
[13:48:00] [Elvis]: but then when I press watch recoridng in full screen it hangs
[13:48:00] juski: [Elvis] so it's not a tuner card issue is it?
[13:48:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, so it's not recording related
[13:48:00] [Elvis]: nope
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: It's a driver issue
[13:49:00] [Elvis]: probably
[13:49:00] [Elvis]: and probably sound?
[13:49:00] juski: nerviddyerr or somefink
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: the rpeview window uses regular X11 calls, the fullscreen uses XV
[13:49:00] [Elvis]: so how can I disable sound in mythtv?
[13:49:00] [Elvis]: do you think it's video driver related or another drier?
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: Have you attempted to play one of those recordings in a different play ?
[13:49:00] juski: I doubt sound is crashing the box.. video is more likely
[13:49:00] GreyFoxx: I'd say video driver
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[13:50:00] [Elvis]: greyfoxx I can play them on my windows machine just fine
[13:50:00] [Elvis]: the recordings with sound
[13:50:00] juski: no...
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: that's hardly what I mean
[13:50:00] juski: try another linux player on the box
[13:50:00] juski: ;-)
[13:50:00] [Elvis]: ah k
[13:50:00] [Elvis]: like what player?
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer
[13:50:00] [Elvis]: you want me to install mplayer? that'/s gonna take ages
[13:50:00] juski: mplayer perhaps
[13:50:00] [Elvis]: :P
[13:50:00] juski: xine?
[13:50:00] juski: vlc?
[13:50:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer -fs -zoom file.mpg
[13:51:00] juski: bloody twitchy distro givers not supplying video players by default :-/
[13:51:00] laga: re
[13:51:00] juski: hiya laga :)
[13:51:00] [Elvis]: ok I'll talk to you guys in 2 hours
[13:51:00] [Elvis]: when mplayer has compiled
[13:51:00] [Elvis]: :P
[13:51:00] directhex|work: GreyFoxx, i'll re-write the patches at some point, then, and submit them for general consumption. didn't bther before, since 0.18.1 and CVS had diverged a fair bit by that point
[13:52:00] GreyFoxx: Cool
[13:52:00] juski: well at least we're getting somewhere with you [Elvis]. just need a new easier to type nick now, don't you? ;-)
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[13:52:00] [Elvis]: :P
[13:52:00] [Elvis]: it aint that hard..problem is someone else takes Elvis
[13:52:00] [Elvis]: :P
[13:53:00] laga: hi juski
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: I suggest Jasper.
[13:53:00] [Elvis]: you think that's an easy name?
[13:53:00] laga: i like 'laga' the best
[13:53:00] Merlin83b: Easier that [Elvis].
[13:53:00] [Elvis]: to type or remember ? :P
[13:54:00] Merlin83b: Both.
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[13:54:00] [Jasper]: hmm
[13:54:00] [Jasper]: :P
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[13:55:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[13:55:00] Jasper: that's better?
[13:55:00] Jasper: :P
[13:55:00] Merlin83b: It is.
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[13:55:00] Merlin83b: (Not that I'm one to talk, really)
[13:56:00] juski: oh btw laga: did you see the new reply to that ticket I made?
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[13:56:00] laga: juski: no, i've just returned home from school
[13:57:00] ** laga goes to search for the laptop **
[13:58:00] juski: I hope you'll like it – I also hope we get a result from it ;-)
[13:58:00] laga: hehe
[13:58:00] laga: 7me wonders if there was a lot of yelling
[13:58:00] juski: lol
[13:58:00] juski: far from it
[13:58:00] laga: sad
[13:59:00] juski: there's time yet though
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[13:59:00] juski: "does anyone here use mythtv?"  ;-)
[14:00:00] ** laga stabs juski **
[14:00:00] ** stuarta slaps juski with a wet fish **
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[14:01:00] laga: 165new mails. i should unsubscribe from -users. it's nothing but useless rubbish anyways
[14:01:00] juski: keeps me (semi) sane
[14:01:00] juski: not the users list.. that takes me to a dark, nasty place
[14:02:00] laga: hehe
[14:02:00] Jasper: wee...it's allready at emerging 3 of 18 of mplayer :)
[14:02:00] juski: so Jasper: when you said you'd catted /dev/video0 into a player & it worked, what player were you using to play the file?
[14:03:00] Jasper: no
[14:03:00] Jasper: I catted it to a file
[14:03:00] Jasper: and watched it on mplayer on windows box
[14:03:00] Jasper: since I knew it would take me around 2 hours to install mplayer
[14:03:00] Jasper: ;P
[14:03:00] ** juski bangs sharp objects into his ears **
[14:04:00] Jasper: and it was just to test the tv device..
[14:04:00] Jasper: and that worked :P
[14:04:00] juski: I'm not gonan be in any mood to have my performance review at this rate
[14:05:00] laga: juski: take a break :)
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[14:06:00] Chrismyth: morning all
[14:06:00] directhex|work: juski, got time to pop to the pub?
[14:06:00] juski: ever see 'falling down' with Michael Douglas?
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[14:06:00] juski: that's how I feel most days now
[14:07:00] juski: (kidding)
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: I love that movie
[14:07:00] ** laga feels like someone is repairing a street in his head **
[14:07:00] laga: juski: thumbs up! regarding the mail :)
[14:07:00] Chrismyth: anyone ever have a problem when after you have recorded your recordings are 0 Bytes in size and nothing is in them
[14:07:00] juski: I'm probably more like steve martin in 'planes, trains & automobiles' when he explodes at the airport checkin
[14:08:00] stuarta: Chrismyth: what version?
[14:08:00] laga: Chrismyth: that's usually a problem with your capture card
[14:08:00] Chrismyth: 18.2
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: Chrismyth: Not in a long time. When I did run into it, it was a ivtv driver problem. But that was long ago
[14:08:00] Chrismyth: ivtv 0.4.2
[14:08:00] stuarta: 0.19 came out yesterday :)
[14:08:00] Chrismyth: pvr 150
[14:08:00] Chrismyth: i know
[14:09:00] Chrismyth: how difficult is the upgrade can I just yum it?
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[14:09:00] ** laga stopped supporting 0.18.x like two months ago ;) **
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:09:00] stuarta: don't think the rpms are build yet.
[14:09:00] stuarta: s/build/built
[14:10:00] Chrismyth: i believe its an ivtv prob as well i changed the firmware because my vid and audio was skipping
[14:10:00] juski: Chrismyth: check your tuner is still working outside mythtv.. good ole fashioned test method like you did when you installed it ;)
[14:10:00] Chrismyth: test.mpg
[14:10:00] juski: yep – do a nice big file if you can
[14:11:00] Jasper: yeah juski
[14:11:00] Jasper: write it to a file and check it in windows
[14:11:00] Jasper: :P
[14:11:00] ** stuarta hands juski the wet fish **
[14:11:00] Chrismyth: juski: Ill try but I dont think thats working either
[14:11:00] ** juski counts to ten & thinks of nice things **
[14:12:00] Jasper: juski are you on debian?
[14:12:00] juski: Chrismyth: if that isn't working it's a matter for the ivtv guys
[14:12:00] juski: no – should I be? ;-)
[14:12:00] Jasper: just wondering
[14:12:00] juski: all my anger is gentoo related
[14:12:00] juski: that'll be cured later in the week
[14:13:00] juski: (then I can just blame something else)
[14:13:00] Jasper: if only I had a faster cpu :(
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[14:15:00] juski: faster cpu.. is that rhyming slang for 'clue' ?
[14:15:00] Chrismyth: juski: thanks for putting me on track ill bug ivtv guys
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[14:18:00] Jasper: hmm juski ...nah it's just a faster cpu..
[14:18:00] Jasper: 800 mhz compiling mplayer with dependencies just takes too much time..
[14:18:00] Jasper: compiling mythtv took 1 hour..
[14:18:00] Jasper: 8(
[14:18:00] directhex|work: so use a binary distro
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[14:18:00] Jasper: don't want too
[14:19:00] Jasper: ;)
[14:19:00] directhex|work: so spend severeal hours compiling things
[14:19:00] Jasper: that's basically the plan ..yes
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[14:19:00] stuarta: jasper: use ccache
[14:20:00] stuarta: it'll help 'next time'
[14:20:00] directhex|work: that's wussing out
[14:20:00] Jasper: 8)
[14:20:00] directhex|work: you should recompile your entire system from scartch every app you change or update, for the "real" from-source experience
[14:21:00] stuarta: thought that was called gentoo
[14:21:00] sphing: directhex|work: gentoo?
[14:21:00] Jasper: that's what I'm running 8p
[14:21:00] directhex|work: sphing, pfft, ebuilds are for the weak. real men don't even use ./configure, they generate their own Makefiles
[14:22:00] sphing: well since i _wrote_ configure... i can use it
[14:24:00] juski: real linux users don't have social lives or girlfriends/wives/partners I bet too ;-)
[14:24:00] Jasper: :p
[14:24:00] directhex|work: juski, nope. and they have big beards
[14:24:00] juski: lol
[14:24:00] dev-: ahem, i beg to disagree
[14:25:00] directhex|work: dev-, real linux users have small beards, then. happy?
[14:25:00] stuarta: you forgot socks with sandals
[14:25:00] dev-: i have a fiance :P
[14:25:00] dev-: i see daylight, though there's 2 feet of snow outside so not today ;)
[14:25:00] juski: I've had my fill of non-binary stuff
[14:25:00] directhex|work: dev-, do you compile everything by hand?
[14:25:00] sphing: dev- then you arent a linux user
[14:25:00] sphing: i mean face it...
[14:26:00] sphing: ...unless your fiance uses linux
[14:26:00] dev-: directhex|work: depends, im a freebsd guy. im not a big fan of binaries simply because of flexibiliy. like mplayer bin, you cant just compile something into without repacking the rpm yadda yadda
[14:26:00] dev-: apt-get is nice though
[14:27:00] dev-: i actually like gentoo, being a freebsd ports guy, but i definitely do not like its userbase
[14:27:00] dev-: its like its the 'retard' linux.
[14:27:00] Cromz: doh! my wife has a linux system and is wanting real bad to switch her main to linux. she already switched her notebook to linux. and got the wireless to work all by herself 8)
[14:27:00] Jasper: thanks
[14:27:00] sphing: dev- as gentoo user... i would have to agree
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: heheh
[14:28:00] sphing: that is the userbase sucks... not that I suck...
[14:28:00] dev-: lol
[14:30:00] sphing: OT: anyone know how to make a program modular, or where i can find a good tutorial
[14:31:00] Jasper: anyone here know why you can't enable tv-output in .xinitrc ?
[14:31:00] dev-: because card centric settings should be in x[org].conf?
[14:31:00] laga: Jasper: that's not a good questions
[14:32:00] Jasper: I mean using nvtv
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[14:36:00] Arkkis: anyone else having problems with 0.18 and editing commercial cutlist?
[14:37:00] Arkkis: I mean, when I press "e" while looking at the recorded show, myth freezes
[14:37:00] Baylink: 18?
[14:37:00] laga: 0.18 *shrug*
[14:39:00] Merlin83b: Arkkis: 0.19 was released...
[14:39:00] lightx: is their a trick to install mythphone with festival ?
[14:39:00] Arkkis: err, "in 0.19", my bad =)
[14:39:00] Arkkis: I ment 0.19 =)
[14:41:00] Baylink: I thought you might have...
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[14:46:00] Arkkis: so, okay, 4 people commented my typo, but none the problem?
[14:46:00] Arkkis: 3 people =)
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[14:46:00] Arkkis: numbers are not working for me today =)
[14:46:00] laga: hehe :)
[14:47:00] laga: i don't think i have 0.19 on this box yet, sorry
[14:53:00] stuarta: I'll test tonight, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't working.
[14:54:00] Merlin83b: I'm not having a problem, but I just installed SVN and haven't actually used the box yet.
[14:54:00] dev-: heh
[14:55:00] dev-: what wonderful insight into the problem that was
[14:55:00] dev-: ;p
[14:55:00] Jasper: 8)
[14:55:00] Merlin83b: It was. I was responding to the question so Arkkis didn't get any more upset ;-)
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[14:56:00] dev-: heh
[14:56:00] Arkkis: Merlin83b, :P
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[14:59:00] Kabutor: Congrats for the new release!
[15:00:00] Kabutor: s there any place to see the screenshots of the themes?
[15:00:00] Arkkis: there should be more themes!
[15:01:00] Arkkis: (and I'll prolly make them if I get some more time)
[15:02:00] Kabutor: Im still hearing my girlfriend complaints for the last time I changed aqua for another theme
[15:02:00] dev-: my fiance wont let me change from gant
[15:02:00] dev-: its nice and all, but i like visor better
[15:02:00] dev-: but bah, she wins, shut her up, would rather not argue.
[15:03:00] dev-: on my desktop i use visor ;p
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[15:03:00] directhex|work: i use whichever one the wide one in 0.18 is
[15:04:00] Kelerion: ProjectGraham here.. wife loves it
[15:04:00] Arkkis: I like the GANT icons, but I dislike the background colors
[15:04:00] Yalla-One: Greetings. Having browsed hvrhw.goldfish.org and wiki.mythtv.org, I cannot find a recommended setup for how lightweight I can possibly make a mythtv FrontEnd if I put all the video-cards and heavy-duty MPEG encoding/decoding etc in my ugly office server.
[15:05:00] Kabutor: :D
[15:05:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, depends on what kind of video you want to play back
[15:05:00] Yalla-One: Can anyone advise how "light" a box I can buy for making it not noisy or ugly in the living-room if I put a couple of Hauppage 350 cards in my storage room server? directhex|work : I want to be able to play MPEG4/mpeg2 both live and recorded DVDs...
[15:05:00] Kabutor: so, are the wifes the ones that choose the themes? I hope noone makes a pink theme.. :P
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[15:05:00] Yalla-One: (that was a fast answer – i'm impressed)
[15:05:00] dev-: epia10k
[15:05:00] dev-: done ;p
[15:06:00] dev-: <-- faster
[15:06:00] Jasper: omg...it finished compiling mplayer ... 8) omg omg....
[15:06:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, what kind of recording? SD? DVB? HDTV?
[15:06:00] dev-: pvr350 = sdtv
[15:06:00] directhex|work: oh yeah, just saw that
[15:06:00] directhex|work: any epia, really
[15:06:00] Jasper: juski are you still here?
[15:06:00] GreyFoxx: Yalla-One: If you are doing analog cable, don't bother putting 350's in the backend, stick to 150's. Cheaper
[15:06:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, Not HDTV – just normal TV in Europe and in future, IPTV. All of this done in server in backroom
[15:06:00] directhex|work: i'd have thought so at any rate
[15:06:00] Jasper: GreyFoxx I installed mplayer :P
[15:06:00] Jasper: how can I try and play a recording?
[15:07:00] dev-: Jasper: mplayer <filename>
[15:07:00] dev-: heh
[15:07:00] GreyFoxx: go to where they are stored on your computer
[15:07:00] Jasper: yeah
[15:07:00] Yalla-One: GreyFoxx, Thanks. I thought 350 = 2x 150 ?
[15:07:00] Arkkis: Kabutor, if I'd make a cute pink theme, all the mythmales would hate me and mytgirls would like me =)
[15:07:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer -fs -zoom filename
[15:07:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, that's 500
[15:07:00] Jasper: ok... GreyFoxx it works fine with mplayer :(
[15:07:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, 350 is 250 with tv-out
[15:07:00] GreyFoxx: Yalla-One: No, the 350 is a 250+decoder
[15:07:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, GreyFoxx : OK – then it'll be the 500 – my bad. sorry.
[15:07:00] GreyFoxx: jasper, fullscreened right ?
[15:07:00] directhex|work: i'd still say any epia with mpeg2 acceleration would do the job
[15:07:00] Jasper: hmm
[15:07:00] Jasper: no
[15:07:00] Jasper: windows
[15:08:00] Jasper: windowed
[15:08:00] Jasper: hang on
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer -fs -zoom filename
[15:08:00] directhex|work: i'm after epia sp8000's for my new setup
[15:08:00] dev-: epia10k works fine
[15:08:00] dev-: i use 2 of them
[15:08:00] Yalla-One: Is it worthwhile to put the heavy-duty stuff in the separate box to save noise, or am I just making things too complex?
[15:08:00] Arkkis: I wonder if there's a list of icons needed for myth theme
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: infact make sure it's using xv for output too
[15:08:00] dev-: it was a trick or 2 to get hardware accel working in xorg, but that was a year ago. im sure it works fine now.
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer -vo xv -fs -zoom filenname
[15:08:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, a split back/front end is common & popular for that very reason
[15:08:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, i'm trying to move to a split setup with light, quiet frontends myself
[15:09:00] dev-: epia10k is fanless and silent.
[15:09:00] dev-: netboot and you dont even need an hd.
[15:09:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, Thanks. So are there any recommendations for how "light" I can make this front-end? I have the backsend server which currently idles at 0.001 process load, but want a small, nicelooking frontend box :)
[15:09:00] Jasper: erm GreyFoxx if I try that last sentence mplayer crashes
[15:09:00] Jasper: :P
[15:09:00] directhex|work: hang on, 10k is fanless?
[15:09:00] dev-: Yalla-One: are you not paying attention?
[15:09:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: What is the error ?
[15:10:00] dev-: directhex|work: yes
[15:10:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, as suggested, an epia would do the required job
[15:10:00] Jasper: X11 error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter )
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: Try it without forcing xv then
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: mplayer -fs -zoom file
[15:10:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, Cool – thanks – checking it out as we speak. (I'm not multitasking as well as my PC )
[15:10:00] Jasper: same error
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: Time to look into your X and drivers then :)
[15:11:00] Jasper: it doesn't like the -fs command
[15:11:00] directhex|work: dev-, which epia 10000 exactly? PD? M? MII? MS? SP? TC?
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: jasper, It's failing to play at fullscreen :)
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[15:11:00] Jasper: yeah
[15:11:00] Jasper: it takes -vo xv and -zoom
[15:12:00] Jasper: but not -fs
[15:12:00] Jasper: any idea where to start looking?
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: different video drivers ?
[15:12:00] dev-: M
[15:12:00] Jasper: yeah I tried the nvidia drivers
[15:12:00] Jasper: but that likes to fail my myth from starting
[15:12:00] Jasper: :P
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: What kind of hardware, and what drivers
[15:13:00] Jasper: hang on will try nvidia drivers with mplayer
[15:13:00] directhex|work: dev-, i'm showing a fan, as per http://www.mini-itx.com/store/images/epiam1L.jpg
[15:13:00] Yalla-One: dev-: You said the epia10 is fanless – the image is with a fan though...
[15:13:00] dev-: mine do not have fans, they have a decent size heatsink on them
[15:14:00] Yalla-One: The hushtechnologies.net look very nice and quiet, except *WAY* too expensive...
[15:14:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, the SP8000E is definitely fanless
[15:14:00] Yalla-One: Thanks directhex|work
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[15:15:00] Arkkis: I wish those epia monsters would also have optical out
[15:15:00] directhex|work: there's also a fanless MS10000E, but the MS series has no backplane connectors
[15:16:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, Hmm – watching the SP8000E, it claims fanless, but there's still a fan picture on the image...
[15:17:00] dev-: they probably started puting fans on them so they could fit in ultra-small carpc cases
[15:17:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, which site?
[15:17:00] Yalla-One: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=444#p1627
[15:17:00] directhex|work: "Image is of the SP 13000 board."
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[15:18:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, aha – stupid of them not to put that under the picture, instead of below the scroll threshold
[15:18:00] directhex|work: http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=444#table
[15:18:00] Jasper: hmm GreyFoxx it says: it seems there's no Vvideo support for your video card available
[15:19:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, That card, with a wireless LAN card and decent IR-receiver should be all it takes :)
[15:19:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, and some RAM. and, depending on preference, some drives and a case
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[15:20:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, ofcourse :) I was considering getting a flash-disk of just enough to bootstrap the box and NFS the rest.
[15:20:00] directhex|work: i want an epia VT-310DP
[15:20:00] directhex|work: dual-cpu \o/
[15:22:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, Why would you need a dual-CPU if you only do the front-end and all the processing in the backend?
[15:22:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, because it's COOL
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[15:22:00] Kabutor: you can use Mythgame with a small frontend?
[15:23:00] Kabutor: mythgame – xmame
[15:23:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, hehe.. I'll try to stick with what I can afford and what works... I guess 512MB RAM should be enough as well...
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[15:24:00] directhex|work: Yalla-One, undoubtedly
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[15:24:00] Yalla-One: This could even firmly surpass Apple's Front Row :)
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[15:26:00] Yalla-One: So just to get this straight, completely new as I am – in the front-end I don't need the Hauppage card, just a good video-card and audio-capabilities?
[15:27:00] dev-: you're not new to linux though, are you
[15:27:00] dev-: if you are you will have mad problems/.
[15:27:00] Jasper: weeeee
[15:27:00] Jasper: I actually get static now when going to live tv greyfoxx :p
[15:27:00] Baylink: Well, I guess we're popular...
[15:28:00] Jasper: weee
[15:28:00] Jasper: it works
[15:28:00] Jasper: :P
[15:29:00] Jasper: because I didn
[15:29:00] Jasper: because I didn't specify a defaultdepth it didn't load my nvidia drivers...causing the problem
[15:29:00] Yalla-One: dev- What kind of problems? I've been running Slackware as my main system for 12–14 months, but have _no_ exposure to MythTV or computer-based television
[15:29:00] Baylink: 85khits in 36 hours at wiki.mythtv.org
[15:30:00] dev-: asking questions before googling, not knowing how to configure your kernel because you didnt read the docs, those kinds of things.
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[15:31:00] dev-: there is nothing special about myth, its just client/server software useing capture cards in its simplest config. the only people who have trouble with it are people who dont know shit about unix
[15:31:00] dev-: ;p
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[15:31:00] gbee: baylink?
[15:31:00] Yalla-One: dev- Well – I know how to configure a kernel, and I have googled, but apparently not for the right things. MythTV appears well documented when you know the concept. The little kickstart I got here in the past 10 minutes was enough for me to find the rest of information I need online, now thatt it's put in the right context
[15:32:00] directhex|work: dev-, confusion comes from configuring SEVERAL client-server configs to make it behave, from mysql upwards
[15:33:00] dev-: directhex|work: nah, even thats easy if you're framiliar with reading and troubleshooting :)
[15:34:00] dev-: the troubleshooting part coming into play when you didnt read enough :)
[15:35:00] dev-: i have 4 tuners between master and slave backend, 2 dedicated frontends, 1 laptop running frontend, and my desktop running frontend. the only trouble ive had was adding the 4th tuner where something i couldnt out got boned and livetv wouldnt work anymore
[15:35:00] dev-: had to clear card config and reset them up, which only took 1 maybe 2 minutes, but was an annoying problem that i couldnt ifgure out what happened heh
[15:35:00] dev-: adding the 2nd, then 3rd cards worked flawless.
[15:36:00] dev-: couldnt +figure out
[15:36:00] Baylink: Yes?
[15:37:00] gbee: might want to ban 67.38.251.190 while your banning spammers ... see Help:Contents prior to my revision :)
[15:38:00] gbee: not that any of these mass spammers will come back or use the same IP if they do
[15:40:00] Baylink: Indeed. ANd pages with standard titles, now I think of it, will be the spam targets. Well, we'll protect if necessary. Annoyingly, you don't seem to be able to block anywhere except RC: I wonder why it's not on page history
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[15:41:00] Baylink: I dunno; I may not ban that one — it's not clearly vandalism. I'll watch for it.
[15:41:00] Baylink: It could be idiocy.
[15:42:00] gbee: aye on my own MediaWiki wikis I've even been hit by bots that register first :)
[15:42:00] Baylink: So, anyone know how I register mythtv-wiki with Freenode?
[15:42:00] dev-: ask that lilo dude that likes to wallop spam ;p
[15:42:00] Baylink: I suspect there's actually a webpage I should read first.
[15:43:00] dev-: asking here is lower priority than reading first? hah. feel cheap and used
[15:44:00] dev-: =]
[15:44:00] ** Baylink chuckles **
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[15:46:00] possie: anyone in here using a DVB card in the Netherlands with MythTV?
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[15:50:00] Arkkis: hmm, I think I'll have to buy an mythtv server someday to sit in my closet, but first I need the frontend thing, oh well, maybe try to get the money first =)
[15:51:00] dev-: ok :)
[15:51:00] directhex|work: my planned back-end isn't cheap :(
[15:51:00] directhex|work: though it DOES double as a file-server
[15:53:00] directhex|work: still, £1500 for any computer is obscene
[15:53:00] Merlin83b: Ouch.
[15:54:00] Merlin83b: WHat more do you need than a mediocre processor and a few hard drives?
[15:54:00] Merlin83b: (Oh, and a tuner or two)
[15:54:00] directhex|work: more hard drives
[15:54:00] Merlin83b:
[15:54:00] directhex|work: £550 for hard drives alone, infact
[15:54:00] Merlin83b: What the bleeding heck are you buying?
[15:55:00] directhex|work: 8x 250GiB SATA2 disks; 3ware SATA2 RAID controller, intel mobo, dual-core 64-bit p4, ECC DDR2
[15:55:00] directhex|work: that's the bulk of it
[15:55:00] Merlin83b: That's pretty excessive.
[15:56:00] directhex|work: plus a case, a tuner with a CAM slot, and a dvd burner
[15:56:00] directhex|work: i *said* it was more than just a backend, right?
[15:56:00] UBL: he went with intel, tahts why its so expensive ;)
[15:56:00] directhex|work: UBL, it was over £150 cheaper than an AMD equivalent
[15:56:00] Merlin83b: You said it was a file server too, but for a backend and fileserver that's still massively overkill.
[15:57:00] directhex|work: Merlin83b, i rip a lot of dvds
[15:57:00] Arkkis: directhex|work, scared that your dvd collection might get broken?
[15:57:00] Merlin83b: Whatever floats your boat :-)
[15:57:00] Arkkis: ;)
[15:57:00] Merlin83b: I'm hapy with as little power as I can possibly put into something, hence Epia as a combined fe/be
[15:57:00] directhex|work: UBL, try and beat £421 for a motherboard with PCI-X, 1024MiB RAM, and as many 64-bit CPUs as needed to have 2 cores
[15:58:00] stuarta: I can understand the disk space. Keep filling mine up. All 500Gb
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[15:58:00] dev-: if you ever want to do hdtv you need the space, i dont think its excessive at all.
[15:58:00] dev-: 9gig/hr for hdtv heh
[15:58:00] Arkkis: so, what would be a good system for a backend&fileserver use without the dvd-rip overkill?
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[15:59:00] directhex|work: Arkkis, a sempron, i'd say
[15:59:00] Merlin83b: Arkkis: As low processor power as possible, DVB or Hauppauge PVR card, lots of disk space.
[16:00:00] Arkkis: Merlin83b, what would be the lowest tolerable processor power, that could handle converting to xvid painlessly
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[16:00:00] Merlin83b: Arkkis: I have not tried it so I do not know. Lower processor would just mean the transcode took longer though, so if you can put up with that, no real limit.
[16:00:00] dev-: i would not go lower than xp3200 for the backend
[16:00:00] Arkkis: hmm
[16:01:00] dev-: or else commflag will fall behind will back to back recordings
[16:01:00] directhex|work: i'm then looking at £300 per front-end
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[16:01:00] directhex|work: (LC05, Epia SP8000E, 256MiB RAM, DVD+-RW, 40GiB SATA)
[16:01:00] Merlin83b: Why would your fe need a hard disk, directhex|work?
[16:01:00] dev-: why not netboot?
[16:02:00] Merlin83b: Makes them quieter, for one thing.
[16:02:00] Arkkis: yeah, you'll have a monster server, why not use it?
[16:02:00] directhex|work: partly because i fear the complications of moving DHCP from my router to the file server
[16:02:00] directhex|work: especially WRT wireless
[16:03:00] Merlin83b: Have your router act as a DHCP bridge then.
[16:03:00] stuarta: I'll let you know how it goes when I do it..
[16:03:00] dev-: he doesnt think he knows how to do it so just let him be ;p
[16:03:00] Merlin83b: Diskless is too good a possibility to ignore.
[16:03:00] directhex|work: whatever next, use linuxbios? O_o
[16:03:00] Merlin83b: If you want!
[16:04:00] Arkkis: hehe
[16:04:00] Merlin83b: I may give that a go sometime in the next couple of months.
[16:04:00] Merlin83b: But take the hard disk out of those frontends and they could (apart from playing DVDs) be silent.
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[16:04:00] Merlin83b: That, to me at least, appeals greatly.
[16:05:00] directhex|work: one problem i'm ignoring is i'm not sure i have an antenna socket anywhere but next to the tv
[16:05:00] directhex|work: but it's a minor detail.
[16:05:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[16:06:00] scopeuk: any one know how to get the guys in knoppmyth to ct alive?
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[16:07:00] Jasper: hmm can't get the black lines removed on tv-out :(
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[16:11:00] Yalla-One: directhex|work, I've been told that the wireless TV antenna extenders provide quite reliable TV signals these days – have you considered that?
[16:11:00] stuarta: ooo, new k3b has video encoding...
[16:12:00] scopeuk: or jsut a boosted ndoor antena if you lvie on a hil work quite well
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[16:21:00] Yalla-One: dev-, If you want diskless but keep it simple, why not spend $10 on a Compact-flash -> IDE adapter and boot off a 1GB CF-card – costs next to nothing :)
[16:22:00] rjune: Merlin83b: there has been work on myth-LTSP
[16:22:00] Merlin83b: And that is?
[16:23:00] rjune: Myth running on an LTSP terminal
[16:23:00] Jasper: so it is possible to play a divx from mythtv?
[16:23:00] Jasper: fromk the media library?
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: certainly
[16:24:00] Jasper: so I just put the .avi in the recordings dir?
[16:24:00] Jasper: or what should I do else?
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: no
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: Non recorded material is played via MythVideo
[16:25:00] Jasper: ah
[16:25:00] Merlin83b: I don't know what that is, rjune.
[16:25:00] Jasper: hmm
[16:25:00] Jasper: so I need to install the plugins
[16:25:00] GreyFoxx: It would be helpful yes
[16:25:00] Merlin83b: Just MythVideo :-)
[16:25:00] Jasper: 8)
[16:25:00] Jasper: is there an ebuild for them?
[16:25:00] GreyFoxx: otherwise you would have to manually add entries for the divx into the SQL database for it to appear in the Watch Recordings list
[16:26:00] rjune: Merlin83b: http://www.ltsp.org
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[16:26:00] Merlin83b: Why are you telling me this?
[16:27:00] Jasper: so GreyFoxx isn't it possible to give like input so you can see it in a media library
[16:28:00] Jasper: with a short description and stuff like that ?
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[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper, what did I just say ?
[16:29:00] Jasper: yeah you said that I otherwise had to add manual entries?
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: Bingo!
[16:29:00] Jasper: that's why I asked
[16:29:00] Jasper: if it was possible with mythvideo to give input
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: IF you want it to appear in Watch Recordings as if it was a recording you would have to insert the data manualyl into the database
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: With MythVideo it does have the ability to pull in IMDB Meta Data
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: and I seem to remember the ability to edit the info as well
[16:30:00] Jasper: oh k that's nice
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: But I don't use that sort of thing
[16:30:00] Jasper: you only use it for watching tv?
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[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: 99% of my mythvideo use is as a menu to navigate the video directories to plkay something
[16:30:00] ole_schoola: ./configure question for y'all...
[16:30:00] ole_schoola: can i disable audio-arts without repercussions as in oss?
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[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: No, I use MythVideo all the time, I just don't care much about descriptions and other stuff. I find the file I Want and play it, that's it :)
[16:31:00] Jasper: :p
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[16:32:00] lightx: hey, is where is the option to not record livetv ? when just watching livetv ?!
[16:32:00] D-side: morning boys.
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: lightx: No
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: lightx: What kind of capture card are you using ?
[16:32:00] stuarta: lightx: bothered by them in your recordings list?
[16:32:00] lightx: ahh.. pvr 350
[16:32:00] Jasper: it would be nice if there was the ability to browse networks for files with mythvideo
[16:32:00] Jasper: :P
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: Oh, is that the problem? The extra stuff in the list ?
[16:32:00] Merlin83b: Jasper: Mount a network share. Voila.
[16:33:00] lightx: yeah, heheh, kinda.. would it take a lot of space!?
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: just mount it under the mythvideo main dir
[16:33:00] Jasper: yeah but I mean browse a network
[16:33:00] Jasper: not just 1 computer
[16:33:00] Jasper: without mounting :P
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: lightx: it gets expired quickly
[16:33:00] Merlin83b: Jasper: Play with samba and shell or perl scripts :-)
[16:33:00] lightx: oh great then.
[16:33:00] Jasper: I remeber modified xbox having that function
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: You can mount as many as you like, but no, it doesn't itself go through your network without some intervention on your part
[16:34:00] Jasper: it just browsed the complete network for movies by itself
[16:34:00] Jasper: :P
[16:34:00] ole_schoola: can i --disable-audio-arts without repercussions as is the case with -oss?
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: lightx: You can configure how long they remain (default is 7 days) . I set mine to 1 day
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: plus you can configure it so that they don't show up in the programs list
[16:34:00] Merlin83b: They get removed if the space is needed in any case.
[16:35:00] Merlin83b: So I have it at the default 7 days and them not showing up in the all programmes list.
[16:35:00] lightx: GreyFoxx: where do i put that in? to not show up in the list and also to be deleted in 1 day!?
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[16:35:00] lightx: i create a group!?
[16:35:00] GreyFoxx: Try looing through your setup menus :)
[16:35:00] lightx: ill figure out.
[16:36:00] lightx: actually the default is 1
[16:36:00] lightx: not 7.
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: Must have been changed since the code was first commited
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: it was originally 7
[16:36:00] lightx: ;-)
[16:37:00] stuarta: i think it bothered a few people so the value was lowered...
[16:37:00] ole_schoola: ijr (?) changed it some weeks back to quiet down the whiners that didn't get it
[16:37:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:38:00] ole_schoola: one more try on a ./configure question...
[16:38:00] ole_schoola: can i --disable-audio-arts without repercussions as is the case with -oss?
[16:38:00] stuarta: there may be a few people in here with the same questions for the next few weeks.
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: hehe months
[16:40:00] ole_schoola: oh well, looks like we'll find out in about 20 minutes :P
[16:40:00] stuarta: :)
[16:40:00] scopeuk: any one got any ideas on what causes lilo to freze beore i kick this box or do somethign rearly extream and go downlaod the debain installer (fc is great but the installer is jsut way to big for me to download amt)
[16:40:00] Merlin83b: GreyFoxx: Not sure if you were part of the conversation a week ro two ago, but do you know of a way to choose between transcoders on the fly rather than having to modify the "Default" transcoder?
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: Merlin83b: Nope. I really didn't use myth to transcode anything until Friday :) And even then it's all just playing around with the MPEG2->MPEG2 stuff :)
[16:41:00] stuarta: merlin83b: Dunno bout on the fly, but I have high, med & low transcoder set differently
[16:41:00] Merlin83b: That works nicely, but choosing mpeg2-mpeg2 or mpeg2-mpeg4 would be nice.
[16:41:00] directhex|work: is there a sensible way to burn DVDs of DVB recordings yet?
[16:42:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, stuarta, but the option to transcode is just "begin transcoding" with no way to choose which transcoder to use, right?
[16:42:00] stuarta: I just use high for mpeg2-mpeg2 & med & low for mpeg2->mpeg4
[16:42:00] Merlin83b: How do you tell it which to use?
[16:42:00] stuarta: ahh, you set it in the record profile.
[16:42:00] Merlin83b: Hmm.
[16:42:00] Merlin83b: But you have to choose that in advance of the recording.
[16:42:00] Merlin83b: Or fiddle to set it afterwards.
[16:43:00] stuarta: yup. Otherwise sql magic.
[16:43:00] Merlin83b: I would like to see begin transcoding bring up a menu of transcoders to use. I may even hack that in if I get time. It will take me a while as I really haven't dug into MythTV's source yet.
[16:43:00] stuarta: or think I saw a way of updating recorded settings the other day...
[16:44:00] stuarta: that would be nice...
[16:45:00] Merlin83b: I thought so :-)
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[16:45:00] Merlin83b: Sometimes I want to do mpeg2 – mpeg2 to cut ad breaks, sometime mpeg2-mpeg4 to archive or pass on to people etc.
[16:45:00] stuarta: recently did the sql magic :)
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: X should popup a menu listing profiles, defaulting to autodetect so that you can just hit X+Enter
[16:46:00] GreyFoxx: X being the transcode key of course :)
[16:46:00] stuarta: my watching lends itself to predefining the transcoding.
[16:46:00] scottder: Hey all move my mythtv box to the living room, using s-video output...it works, but is dark and the quality is for crap...any ideas?
[16:46:00] scottder: 8187 nvidia driver FC4
[16:46:00] scottder: 8178
[16:47:00] Merlin83b: GreyFoxx: It does or it would be nice if it does?
[16:48:00] stuarta: be nice.
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: "should" :)
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: It would be nice
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: In fact I was thinking about the same thing the otherday
[16:49:00] GreyFoxx: shouldn't be too rough to do it up
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[16:50:00] stuarta: GreyFoxx: Have you put your EIT stuff somewhere?
[16:50:00] GreyFoxx: stuarta: Just in trac
[16:51:00] stuarta: I've a few bit to put in trac too. siparser surgery mainly...
[16:51:00] scopeuk: what u guys reacon to the guy tryign to get myth going on the msn tv boxes?
[16:51:00] scopeuk: frontend i should point out
[16:51:00] GreyFoxx: scopeuk: Would be real interesting when someone gets the TV Out hardware working on them
[16:52:00] GreyFoxx: But until then, useless
[16:52:00] scopeuk: yeh hes workign on it apparently
[16:52:00] scopeuk: yes agreed
[16:52:00] scopeuk: might go talk to him about it
[16:53:00] coffee88: Wa-hey! RT is back up. Whew!
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[16:55:00] scopeuk: he recons hell have video out working tonight
[16:55:00] scopeuk: should be good
[16:55:00] sona_: Will I be able to conf mythbackend from a frontendonly installation on another computer ?
[16:56:00] scottder: Any ideas...it MAY be the cheap ass s-video cable that came with the tuner card...
[16:56:00] Merlin83b: GreyFoxx: You know the code a lot better than I – I'll expect a patch tomorrow ;-)
[16:56:00] ole_schoola: heh, compiling 8940 on the MBE, SBE and FE at the same time. the room is warming up
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[16:57:00] Merlin83b: ole_schoola: Um, why not compile on just one and then install on all?
[16:57:00] ole_schoola: different arch's and different flags for each
[16:57:00] ole_schoola: sona_: use Xvnc, i do it all the time
[16:58:00] Merlin83b: Okay :-)
[16:58:00] ole_schoola: keep em lean and mean i sa
[16:58:00] ole_schoola: say
[16:59:00] stuarta: heard of cross compiling?
[16:59:00] sona_: ole_schoola: how do you start X from the console ?
[17:00:00] rjune: Merlin83b: you wanted mythtv on a diskless machien
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: Not quite, rjune. It's also very easy to do without ltsp.
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: I was suggesting it to directhex|work.
[17:00:00] rjune: ah, I missed that bit
[17:01:00] ole_schoola: stuarta: yep, but not lazy enough yet to learn that ;)
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[17:02:00] stuarta: the hard part is building the toolchain.
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[17:03:00] ole_schoola: sona_: configure your xorg.conf with 'Load "vnc"' and insert a PasswordFile(?) option in section screens...
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[17:03:00] ole_schoola: ...then use a vnc client to connect
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[17:08:00] Ryushin: According to the release notes for .19, it seems that there is a basic DVD player installed now. I can't seem to find a setting that says to use it.
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[17:09:00] Beirdo: sigh
[17:09:00] Beirdo: I wanna kick some ass
[17:09:00] xris: Beirdo: still without phone at home?
[17:09:00] Beirdo: waiting for cira.ca to put me BACK in the gtld records
[17:09:00] Beirdo: I have phone, no DSL (still)
[17:09:00] xris: blech
[17:10:00] juski: whew. those wolfsson audio codecs are bitches to hand solder
[17:10:00] Beirdo: and beirdo.ca expired and was renewed, but DNS is somewhat borked until cira.ca reloads
[17:10:00] Beirdo: and I didn't get ANY notices
[17:10:00] ** Beirdo shakes his fist at CIRA **
[17:10:00] xris: geesch
[17:11:00] Beirdo: apparently they reload every 6h, but not sure where that lines up
[17:11:00] stuarta: still have to wait for the TTL to expire tho.
[17:11:00] Beirdo: likely */6 on PST
[17:11:00] Beirdo: no
[17:11:00] ** Cardoe shakes his fist at Beirdo **
[17:12:00] stuarta: query the SOA and you can find out
[17:12:00] Beirdo: the GTLD's TTL is 1h
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[17:12:00] Beirdo: DNS is something I know all too well
[17:12:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:12:00] stuarta: it's fun isn't it :)
[17:12:00] Beirdo: how I managed to fuck that up, I dunno. Too much stress, I guess
[17:12:00] Cardoe: what's going on?
[17:13:00] Beirdo: oh nothing much
[17:13:00] Beirdo: beirdo.ca was expired as of midnight
[17:13:00] Beirdo: they never sent a notice
[17:13:00] Cardoe: I hate that.
[17:13:00] Wole (n=chatzill@217.206.184.196) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[17:13:00] Beirdo: so renewed it, and now have to wait for it to be back in the GTLD server
[17:13:00] Cardoe: mine expires at the worst possible time
[17:13:00] Cardoe: dead middle of the summer
[17:13:00] xris: Beirdo: you're going to need to get beirdo.pr
[17:13:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:14:00] ** Beirdo slaps CIRA with a trout **
[17:14:00] Cardoe: so I'm not really aware of when mine expires.
[17:14:00] Cardoe: when are you moving Beirdo?
[17:14:00] Beirdo: dunno
[17:14:00] ** stuarta puts note in diary to renew domain name **
[17:14:00] Beirdo: before May 20
[17:15:00] xris: godaddy lists all of mine with expiration dates... and emails me at 90, 60, 30 and 15 days before expiring
[17:15:00] Beirdo: so.. the FAQ will be unreachable for a few hours
[17:15:00] Beirdo: fuckers
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[17:16:00] Beirdo: well, they SAID they emailed me... well, it never arrived one way or the other
[17:16:00] gardengnome: mine just renews the registration ;)
[17:16:00] variable: does anyone know if the Leadtek TV2000XP card is supported by mythtv?
[17:16:00] Beirdo: variable: what drivers does it use?
[17:16:00] juski: v4l IIRC
[17:17:00] juski: so that's a 'yes' ;-)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: if it has working Linux v4l or v4l2 drivers, then yes
[17:17:00] variable: well i am on ubuntu and i did:
[17:17:00] variable: does anyone know if the Leadtek TV2000XP card is supported by mythtv?
[17:17:00] Yalla-One: Anyone here using MythTV with the Hush PCs from hushtechnologies.net ? Playing nice?
[17:17:00] variable: oop
[17:17:00] variable: and i did:
[17:17:00] variable: does anyone know if the Leadtek TV2000XP card is supported by mythtv?
[17:17:00] variable: shit
[17:17:00] dev-: wtf
[17:17:00] juski: lol
[17:17:00] ** Beirdo slaps variable with a trout **
[17:17:00] variable: grep DVB /var/log/dmesg
[17:18:00] juski: ironic name, dontcha think?
[17:18:00] ** stuarta steals beirdo's trout & fires up the barbie... **
[17:18:00] Beirdo: um, it's not a DVB card
[17:18:00] Beirdo: so why would you grep for DVB?
[17:18:00] dev-: wishful thinking?
[17:18:00] variable: i dont know what it is, i am using a howto
[17:18:00] ole_schoola: stuarta: you do know where that trout has been, don't ya?
[17:18:00] xris: variable: what's the chipset on the card?
[17:18:00] juski: good call, variable
[17:19:00] stuarta: cook it enough and it doesn't matter!
[17:19:00] Beirdo: lspci would be a good start
[17:19:00] juski: cx88 chipset
[17:19:00] variable: how would i find out the chipset?
[17:19:00] juski: oh wait a sec.. it might well be a DVB card
[17:19:00] Beirdo: variable: lspci
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[17:20:00] juski: my lr6650 cards were misidentified by lspci early on
[17:20:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:20:00] juski: funnily enough the kernel thought they were leadtek tv200xp cards
[17:20:00] variable: im thinking this is what u mean:
[17:20:00] variable: 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[17:20:00] variable: 0000:00:0b.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[17:21:00] Beirdo: OK, it uses the bttv driver
[17:21:00] juski: variable: what does it say on the box the card came in? ;-)
[17:21:00] Beirdo: and it SHOULD work fine
[17:21:00] Beirdo: as that's what's in my devel machine
[17:21:00] variable: this card is from 2 years ago, no more box
[17:21:00] variable: ok, so it should work
[17:21:00] Beirdo: and if I had working DSL, I could find you particulars
[17:22:00] Beirdo: I'm having a bad internet month
[17:22:00] Beirdo: YAY
[17:22:00] variable: well, this is the howto i was going to use, does this still worok?
[17:22:00] variable: http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[17:22:00] juski: so it's not a DVB card identified wrongly anwyay.. or at least unlikely to be
[17:22:00] Beirdo: beirdo.ca has been reloaded onto the GTLDs
[17:22:00] gardengnome: variable: www.abarbaccio.com (or so) has a guide as well
[17:22:00] gardengnome: variable: www.abarbaccia.com (or so) has a guide as well
[17:22:00] gardengnome: sorry
[17:22:00] xris: Beirdo: it all works for me now
[17:22:00] Beirdo: it's still cached here at work.
[17:23:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:23:00] Beirdo: this sucks, *I* have to wait another hour
[17:23:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:23:00] ole_schoola: Beirdo: still hasn't made it's wat to Chicago ;)
[17:23:00] variable: it says domain not found
[17:23:00] ole_schoola: way
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[17:23:00] Beirdo: there's a 1h TTL on the GTLD
[17:24:00] ** ole_schoola rummages about for time machine **
[17:24:00] Cardoe: 64.26.176.126
[17:24:00] Chrismyth: can anyone tell me why my mythtv records 0Byte files?
[17:24:00] scottder: anyone else get a very dark picture with bloomy reds using s-video out on nvidia cards?
[17:24:00] Cardoe: that's what I get for ping beirdo.ca
[17:24:00] gardengnome: Chrismyth: broken drivers/hardware? setup problem?
[17:24:00] dev-: no,perfect picture
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[17:25:00] Chrismyth: no i can do a test record and everything is perfect
[17:25:00] ole_schoola: Chrismyth: plug in antenna for DVB card?
[17:25:00] Chrismyth: pvr 150
[17:25:00] Chrismyth: lol ole_schoola
[17:25:00] Beirdo: 2905s left for me. GAH
[17:25:00] variable: anyone have a correction for the www.abarbaccio.com site?
[17:25:00] ** Beirdo chucks a gardengnome at laga **
[17:25:00] xris: variable: ccia
[17:26:00] Cardoe: xris: where the hell is kormoc?
[17:26:00] xris: gardengnome: corrected himself
[17:26:00] Cardoe: what'd you do with him?
[17:26:00] xris: Cardoe: probably still driving
[17:26:00] Beirdo: you don't wanna know
[17:26:00] xris: lol
[17:26:00] ** gardengnome pets the gnome **
[17:26:00] variable: ah, thanks
[17:27:00] xris: Cardoe: he just IM'd from his phone... missed his alarm
[17:27:00] Jasper: how do you go back to the main menu when in mythvideo watching a video?
[17:27:00] xris: Jasper: depends on what program is playing the video
[17:27:00] gardengnome: Jasper: hit 'escape' a few things?
[17:27:00] xris: pretty sure mplayer or xine are "q"
[17:27:00] xris: internal is probably esc
[17:28:00] Jasper: I think it's using mplayer
[17:28:00] gardengnome: s/things7times/
[17:28:00] gardengnome: i beleive i'm gonna set up nvram-wakeup tonight. parents have been complaining about the electricity bill ;)
[17:29:00] Cardoe: xris: just tell him to try out the new 0.19 ebuilds when he gets a chance.
[17:29:00] xris: willdo
[17:30:00] variable: well since my card is not dvb, it is bttv will dvbstream not work then?
[17:30:00] xris: we're definitely going to need a fixes branch... couple of lingering bugs with mythweb that I need to fix.
[17:30:00] xris: variable: won't work
[17:30:00] coffee88: Cardoe: Are the new ebuilds all good to go? There a reason why they're still hard masked?
[17:30:00] variable: does bttv work with mythtv?
[17:30:00] Cardoe: coffee88: they're not masked.
[17:30:00] xris: variable: yes
[17:31:00] Cardoe: coffee88: they were masked while I was adding them to the tree.
[17:31:00] Cardoe: and then I went to bed when I was all done adding them
[17:31:00] Cardoe: I then removed them from mask when I woke up in the morning
[17:31:00] coffee88: Cardoe: Oh. My mistake? The online pkge db showed them that way yesterday?
[17:31:00] variable: should i just apt-get mythtv, and then use the config and it will work?
[17:31:00] Cardoe: coffee88: notice the operative word... "yesterday"
[17:31:00] xris: variable: once you get the tv card and audio set up properly.
[17:32:00] coffee88: Cardoe: Yeah, just caught that....
[17:32:00] xris: most bttv cards put sound-out to the back of the card, which you then need to patch into your soundcard
[17:32:00] Cardoe: coffee88: just getting annoyed cause you're like the 4th person to make a comment like that.
[17:32:00] variable: ya, i have that done already
[17:32:00] coffee88: Cardoe: Sorrreeeeee.....
[17:32:00] xris: variable: then apt is likely the next step (assuming that apt has .19 ready to go)
[17:33:00] variable: .19 ?
[17:33:00] xris: the current version of mythtv
[17:34:00] variable: it has .18.1–5
[17:34:00] variable: is that too old?
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[17:34:00] xris: .19 is much nicer.. it was just released on friday, though. may take awhile to catch up
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[17:35:00] gardengnome: chris marillat still only has 0.18.x for debian sarge :7
[17:35:00] variable: ahh, and is compiling from source going to be difficult to someone of my newbie-ness?
[17:36:00] dev-: yes
[17:36:00] variable: sucks to be me
[17:36:00] xris: variable: if you're a real newbie, just grab .18.x and upgrade to .19 when it's ready
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[17:37:00] variable: well i have compiled from source, but i have heard that mythtv is especially hard, lets put it this way, i have no idea how to compile my own kernel
[17:37:00] variable: just for an idea of my experience
[17:38:00] Merlin83b: For me it was ./configure --options --and --things; qmake; make; make install
[17:38:00] Merlin83b: Easy as pie.
[17:38:00] xris: variable: mythtv from source isn't that bad
[17:38:00] xris: just a matter of getting the dependencies
[17:38:00] gardengnome: variable: what distro?
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[17:38:00] Merlin83b: Which Knoppmyth had sorted for me :-)
[17:38:00] Merlin83b: I fear the day I need to upgrade something outside the myth source :-)
[17:38:00] xris: variable: apt-get build-dep mythtv
[17:38:00] gardengnome: on debian, it's just an apt-get builddep mythtv
[17:38:00] gardengnome: (or 'build-dep'? dont remember :))
[17:39:00] gardengnome: ah, xris beat me to it ;)
[17:39:00] xris: need the dash
[17:39:00] variable: ubuntu right now
[17:39:00] xris: variable: you still have apt
[17:39:00] xris: apt for redhat works, too
[17:40:00] xris: variable: it's up to you what you want to do... if you're new and don't want to mess too much with things in the future, just install .18 and upgrade to .19 when apt has it.
[17:40:00] variable: so just apt-get build-dep mythtv ?
[17:40:00] xris: variable: yeah, that'll download everything you need to compile mythtv
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[17:41:00] coffee88: Has anyone tried mythgame/xmame on an Epia? Can it cope?
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[17:43:00] variable: can mythtv use pgsql?
[17:43:00] variable: or is it mysql only
[17:43:00] variable: ?
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[17:47:00] juski: variable: it says mysql in the FM
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[17:48:00] dev-: <variable> there's a manual??
[17:48:00] ** xris points at kormoc for Cardoe **
[17:48:00] dev-: <variable> next you're going to tell me there's a website
[17:48:00] dev-: :)
[17:48:00] Beirdo: ah
[17:48:00] ** Cardoe points at kormoc **
[17:48:00] spiderworm_work: hi all, i'm getting lots of errors like this: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. .... this is a pvr 500 with dual mpeg encoders.... is it saying the buffers on the hardware are filling up?
[17:48:00] Beirdo: now using xchat again
[17:48:00] ** kormoc points at himself **
[17:48:00] Cardoe: kormoc: I thought xris kidnapped you or something.
[17:48:00] spiderworm_work: or is there some buffer size thats controlled via software that i can increase somehow?
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[17:48:00] kormoc: Cardoe, hehe, nah, just busy having fun and what not over the weekend and forgot to reset the alarm this mornin
[17:50:00] variable: well there is no pgsql packages
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[17:50:00] Cardoe: kormoc: well I was holding off new snapshots for the release.. and well.. the release happened...
[17:50:00] dagfinnr: hello, is there released a rpm/yum solutions for 0.19 yet?
[17:50:00] Cardoe: kormoc: it's all in Portage
[17:50:00] juski: there are no pgsql packages? good! you need mysql
[17:51:00] Cardoe: kormoc: I blogged about it and linked you ask a thanks for helping with the testing
[17:51:00] kormoc: Cardoe, coolness! I'll merge it right up.
[17:51:00] xris: dagfinnr: atrpms should have .19 by now
[17:51:00] variable: na, pgsql is better imo
[17:51:00] kormoc: Cardoe, ooh, coolness :)
[17:51:00] xris: variable: no.. mythtv needs mysql
[17:51:00] variable: ohh theres no change of pgsql?
[17:51:00] variable: that sucks
[17:51:00] Cardoe: kormoc: should be able to see it on http://planet.gentoo.org
[17:51:00] Cardoe: I just patched mythbrowser to work with KDE 3.5
[17:51:00] xris: variable: mysql is easier to set up and deal with, and often easier to code sql for.
[17:51:00] Cardoe: and added that as a bug on Trac
[17:52:00] xris: and what do you mean no postgresql packages for ubunto? there are tons.
[17:52:00] variable: well i already figured out pgsql a long time ago and have several servers running it
[17:52:00] kormoc: Cardoe, coolness. Thanks muchly for the link.
[17:52:00] juski: variable: mysql ain't hard, especially if you follow a howto
[17:53:00] dagfinnr: xris: dont seem like so .. is there anywhere else i can find it? is it hard to configure from scratch?
[17:53:00] variable: ya, i know how to do mysql, but why run two sql servers? that is a waste
[17:53:00] xris: dagfinnr: grab the .spec from http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/
[17:53:00] xris: axel said on the users list last night that he'd have packages within a couple of hours, but he must have had problems
[17:54:00] Cardoe: kormoc: lemme know how the ebuilds work for you?
[17:54:00] Cardoe: kormoc: I've emerged most of the plugins on my machine
[17:54:00] xris: building from spec is pretty easy. just need the tarball/directory to be named properly, and then run `rpmbuild -bb mythtv.spec`
[17:54:00] ole_schoola: ATRPMS fc4-i386/pkglist.stable is stalling out right now
[17:54:00] ole_schoola: must be getting hammered pretty hard, gotta switch to a mirror
[17:54:00] kormoc: Cardoe, yeah, I shall. I'll likely build them all up and play with them a bit as well
[17:55:00] xris: I personally avoid atrpms as much as I can.... axel's a good packager, but he tends to replace core OS packages and can cause all kinds of upgrade woes.
[17:55:00] xris: but he's still the best place to get mythtv stuff
[17:55:00] Cardoe: kormoc: only ones I've skipped are mythbrowser and mythphone
[17:55:00] dagfinnr: hm .. is there a big difference in .19 compared to .18 for epia m10k card/cpu?
[17:55:00] ole_schoola: not stalling anymore
[17:56:00] ole_schoola: xris: i switched to Smart and have no troubles with the core replacements
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[17:57:00] kormoc: dagfinnr, likely not, as myth itself doesn't really do much with drivers.
[17:57:00] xris: ole_schoola: try to run a distro upgrade (ie. from the cd) with atrpms packages installed.
[17:57:00] Jasper: do you guys know if there are any good review site for tv-out cards?
[17:57:00] juski: Jasper: review sites tend to concentrate on FPS rather than TV out quality for some reason
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[17:57:00] juski: recent nvidia cards are very good quality (mostly) but YMMV
[17:58:00] xris: ole_schoola: but I've also run into issues with dependencies for third-party apps like courier (my mail server).. atrpms installs one version of a dependency that removes another program I also need...
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[17:58:00] xris: ole_schoola: but I haven't had enough time to play with smart. I've heard good things, though.
[17:58:00] dagfinnr: juski, does the 0.19 fix the OSD problems (b/w) for m10k cards?
[17:58:00] ole_schoola: xris: Jarod seems to have that procedure down, i just started clean, no room for error there
[17:59:00] xris: ole_schoola: didn't know he updated his guide. cool.
[17:59:00] xris: hopefully he'll be able to hang out here once he's settled into his new job
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[17:59:00] ole_schoola: xris: after i finish the .19-fixes upgrades all around, i'll draft up that mythweb wishlist for ya
[17:59:00] volty: pls advice on buying usb digital + analog tuner possibly with s-video in
[18:00:00] juski: dagfinnr: no idea. i've not got 0.19 yet
[18:00:00] volty: (on linux)
[18:00:00] xris: volty: only one usb one works, the plextor
[18:00:00] juski: volty: and the plextor doesn't do digital
[18:00:00] xris: and what do you mean by "digital"?
[18:00:00] juski: DVB?
[18:00:00] volty: digital terrestrial (dvb-t I think)
[18:01:00] juski: nah plextor doesn't do DVB-T
[18:01:00] xris: volty: you're out of luck, I think
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[18:01:00] volty: xris hauppage does have hibrid but requires 2.8 gh processor
[18:01:00] volty: or something like that
[18:01:00] xris: volty: the ONLY usb receiver that works in linux is the plextor
[18:01:00] juski: I think one or 2 hauppauge USB DVB tuners can be coaxed into working in linux – but that's sketchy
[18:01:00] spiderworm_work: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9267#9267 <--- please help :)
[18:02:00] juski: since when do you need 2.8GHz to decode mpeg2? that's lame
[18:02:00] xris: juski: takes at least a 2Ghz machine to play 1080i
[18:02:00] juski: or is that just due to the extra CPU overhead USB brings to the game? ;-)
[18:02:00] kormoc: unless you get help from the videocard.
[18:02:00] volty: what about pci, anything hybrid that works on linux to advice me?
[18:02:00] ole_schoola: xris: guide not updated yet but check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/181709
[18:03:00] juski: volty: if you're not doing HDTV you won't need 2.8GHz
[18:03:00] xris: kormoc: no, that's actually just to decode the mpeg... need more if you want non-videocard scaling. well, I guess xvmc would help if the player supports it.
[18:03:00] volty: ah ok juski, thx
[18:03:00] juski: volty: but be warned.. the newer USB Hauppauge tuners may not be supported _at all_ in linux
[18:04:00] juski: and you'll be lucky even if the older ones are.. check the v4l wiki
[18:04:00] kormoc: hardware mpeg or bust!
[18:04:00] juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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[18:06:00] D-side: i still kind of want a plextor usb thing.
[18:06:00] volty: thx juski that url is what i needed :)
[18:06:00] juski: volty: google more
[18:06:00] juski: ;-)
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[18:09:00] Jasper: and what do you guys think about the pvr card quality tv-in?"
[18:11:00] juski: Jasper: PVR150 / 500 is very good quality
[18:11:00] Jasper: I got a 500 but I was just reviewing a site telling quality aint that good
[18:11:00] ole_schoola: Jasper: 250/350 is spiffy
[18:11:00] juski: the only card that's reckoned to be better is ATI's theater chip, and that's not supported in linux
[18:12:00] Jasper: hmm k
[18:12:00] juski: Jasper: don't beleive everything you read on the internet
[18:12:00] Jasper: juski can you look at http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/oc.mpg and judge on the quality
[18:12:00] juski: I saw a site where they compare 3 different cards – and they're zooming in to the video to extreme levels before a difference is visible
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[18:13:00] Jasper: just wondering if this is the best quality
[18:13:00] Jasper: or if it is my tuning
[18:13:00] juski: Jasper: can't look at no mpegs on this putty
[18:13:00] Jasper: hmm k
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[18:13:00] Jasper: so it's prolly my tv-out giving a not crisp screen
[18:14:00] Jasper: I got a geforce2 doing tv-out
[18:14:00] kormoc: yeah, the newer nvidia cards have better tvout
[18:14:00] juski: ugh.. geforce2 tv out sucks big style in my experience
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[18:15:00] Jasper: yeah that's prolly causing the problems then
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[18:15:00] Jasper: 'so any idea which cards have a good tv-out?
[18:15:00] juski: sometimes you get lucky & buy one with a good tv encoder on it
[18:15:00] juski: anything > fx5200 should be fine
[18:15:00] D-side: i'm continually shocked at how good my pundit's tv-out is.
[18:16:00] juski: oops.. anything >= 5200
[18:16:00] juski: Jasper: put it this way – my old frontend had a 5200 nvidia card in it, and quality was indistinguishable from my Panasonic DVD player
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[18:16:00] Jasper: ok that's good
[18:17:00] Jasper: but what I have now is sooooo like blurry
[18:17:00] Jasper: just wondering where the problem lies
[18:17:00] juski: I'm sure if my TV cost three times what it did I'd notice a difference but hey
[18:17:00] juski: Jasper: using composite or svideo?
[18:17:00] Jasper: svideo
[18:17:00] juski: bin the card & get a nice cheap fx5200 or so
[18:17:00] Jasper: well
[18:18:00] Jasper: s-video to scard
[18:18:00] Jasper: scart
[18:18:00] Jasper: actually
[18:18:00] juski: depends on the cable.. it might be cheating & turning svideo into composite
[18:18:00] juski: some do – scandalous
[18:18:00] Jasper: is it a big difference then?
[18:18:00] juski: pretty big difference
[18:19:00] juski: difference is equivalent to comparing VHS to DVD
[18:19:00] juski: fx5200 compared to GF2 cards
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[18:21:00] ole_schoola: juski: that would be component vs. composite, s-vid is only a hair better in quality than composite
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[18:23:00] juski: ole_schoola: we beg to differ, in that case
[18:23:00] Beirdo: a hair?
[18:23:00] Beirdo: a LOT better
[18:23:00] juski: some TVs cheat you know.. they've been known to convert component to svid & svid to composite inside
[18:23:00] Beirdo: of course
[18:23:00] Beirdo: yeah, some TVs are craptacular
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[18:23:00] feld: whew
[18:24:00] ole_schoola: juski: sum the bandwidth of chrom/lum and compare to composite, not a helluva lot more as compared to component
[18:24:00] feld: hey guys I've solved all of my problems but one
[18:24:00] Yalla-One: Question: Can someone point me to where online I can find information about using MythTV as a set-top-box provided I add the right hardware? KiSS is adding STB functionality in their next box, so I assume it's possible
[18:24:00] feld: on Gentoo with 0.19 I get the 2006-02–12 22:54:18.511 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started error
[18:24:00] Beirdo: ole_schoola: it's the separation that makes it so much better, not bandwidth
[18:24:00] feld: I heard it was a permissions issue ... any details on this?
[18:25:00] juski: Yalla-One: try www.mythtv.org
[18:25:00] Yalla-One: juski, Tried. Googled. Searched wiki : Showing below 0 results starting with #1.
[18:26:00] ole_schoola: yes, yes — better is so objective ;) i'm just partial to component as i deal with umpteen displays and sources all week long
[18:26:00] Yalla-One: juski: Does MythTV call Set Top Box (STB) functionality something else than STB that I should be on the lookout for?
[18:26:00] juski: Yalla-One: your chances of getting mythtv running on a STB type platform are pretty slim. Much better chances can be had with PC hardware though
[18:27:00] Yalla-One: juski, No no no – I don't want it to run on an STB hardware platform. I want to *REPLACE* the small shitty STB and move its functionlity into my mythtv frontend box. THAT's the problem I find not covered
[18:28:00] juski: I think the internet sites featuring mythtv articles pretty much have that one sussed
[18:28:00] juski: which parts of "with mythtv you can watch and record TV" are so hard to miss?
[18:28:00] Yalla-One: juski, Really? All I've found on google is articles asking how to use an STB *with* MythTV, not replacing it with mythtv ?
[18:29:00] juski: Yalla-One: whether or not you can do away with the STB depends on the kind of service you have
[18:30:00] Yalla-One: juski, no once again we're talking past each other. I have an IP/TV connection where I get TV via fibre into my apartment. In it I get IP/TV with MPEG2 and/or MPEG4 depending on my choice of provider. It is currently terminated in an STB. I want to terminate in Myth. I'm not talking plain stupid old-fashioned TV I just take into the Hauppage card (I'm not stupid...) I'm talking IP/TV STB functionality
[18:30:00] juski: in that case, no
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: Myth does not support IPTV
[18:30:00] Blammo[work]: Anyone here using one of the new Air2PC cards? The HD-5000? I have one on the way, and was looking for hints (compared to the previous air2pc cards I have), IE kernel version, HD/SD integration, etc....
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: a few people have brought it up on the dev list, but todate noone has submitted code for it
[18:31:00] ole_schoola: Blammo: 2.6.15 or better
[18:31:00] juski: why didn't you just come out & ask the specific question, Yalla-One?
[18:31:00] Yalla-One: It would be *KILLER* application now that more and more TV distributors send IP/TV and Microsoft is starting to dominate the market with their Microsoft IP/TV solution.
[18:31:00] juski: Let them. i don't want it
[18:31:00] Blammo[work]: Ole_Schoola: runining FC4_2.6.14_1656 — can I compile in support? (IE dvb-kernel/apps)
[18:31:00] Yalla-One: juski, I did, but I used the wrong terms here – I asked for STB functionality as the only STBs we have are IP/TV STBes. All other TV systems don't require an STB.
[18:32:00] ole_schoola: IP/TV is the gateway to universal PPV IMO
[18:32:00] juski: ole_schoola: totally agree with you there
[18:32:00] Blammo[work]: MythTV 0.19 out in apt/yum's yet?
[18:32:00] Yalla-One: And – how can you say you _don't_ want IP/TV ??? That's like saying you want to stick to dial-up and don't want broadband ??
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[18:32:00] juski: pay by the minute :-D
[18:32:00] Puh: uh some of my recordings have failed today :-(
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[18:32:00] ole_schoola: Blammo: sure you can but you should be able to bump to 2.6.15, a lot less headache, trust me
[18:32:00] juski: I don't want the bastards who run the show to give me something nice then take it away & charge lots of money for a DRM crippled version later
[18:33:00] ole_schoola: Blammo: using FC4?
[18:33:00] Yalla-One: juski, I'm on IP/TV -get 50 channels free, pay $5 per additional channel (instead of $50 for a bullshit package) and I get it in HDTV format if I want to pay a bit more (which I don't, because I don't have an HDTV yet)
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: The local DSL provider here has been doing IPTV for the last few months, can't say I like the visual quality, BUT it's still nifyu
[18:33:00] xpis: Note that the original fedora 2.6.15 package was faulty – many people had problems. There is now a new one.
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[18:33:00] Yalla-One: GreyFoxx, If you run IP/TV over DSL (and not DSL2+) it will be shitty quality. You need at least 20M for IPTV
[18:33:00] Puh: the backend logs claim that the programs were recorded, but mythweb just says that the file size for the recordings is "B"
[18:34:00] ole_schoola: xpis: as i found about 1.5 hours ago! fetching the new one now
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: Yalla-One: 20Megabit for HDTV, not for analog :)
[18:34:00] Yalla-One: GreyFoxx, Correct :)
[18:34:00] ole_schoola: ATRPMs proper is getting way hammered, trying the UK mirror in a min
[18:34:00] juski: Yalla_One: all the IPTV stuff is based on propriatary stuff. patented stuff. non-open stuff.
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: But certainly the compression used to fit it on the wire is the cause of the quality in this particular case
[18:34:00] xpis: ole_schoola: they've botched up other kernels before.
[18:35:00] ole_schoola: kernel came from fedora, not ATRPMs, i just use Axel's repo to get the redhat releases
[18:35:00] Blammo[work]: Ole_Schoola: Yes, FC4. Been happy with it so far.
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[18:36:00] juski: if IPTV takes off in any kind of big way, you can kiss your free TV goodbye IMHO
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[18:36:00] juski: maybe there'll be something better to do instead by then, though
[18:36:00] ole_schoola: Blammo: should have no problems bumping your kernel and kmdls to the 2.6.15–1.1831
[18:36:00] juski: (like there isn't already)
[18:37:00] Blammo[work]: Juski: Bahh – don't think so... that's when all the IP Engineers can get creative — there are all kinds of ways to split/mirror/route-round-the-world IP traffic.
[18:37:00] Blammo[work]: ole_schoola : thanks — I'll try it on my test box.
[18:37:00] Yalla-One: juski, IP/TV is based on MPEG4 and MPEG2 mostly, together with MultiCast TV. The only proprietory parts of IP/TV is bullshit solutions like Microsoft that do pre-channel-fetching to get a unicast stream to fill in between the multicast I-frames.
[18:38:00] juski: Blammo: look at what they're doing with HD.. and even more is possible with propriatary formats
[18:38:00] Yalla-One: both mpeg and multicast are open standards, so it's not closed at all.
[18:39:00] kormoc: Yalla-One, until the encryption comes?
[18:39:00] Blammo[work]: Juski: Guess what I meant was, just because it becomes IPtv, doesn't mean that it gets harder to use.. It almost becomes easier, because of the nativity of IP/Multicast. Yes, the format can become odder, but the transport is easier than right now, at least for me...
[18:39:00] juski: course it's closed. it'd have to be so they can secure revenue
[18:39:00] sona_: with 0.18 I got program listings via dvb-t (epg) in 0.19 there is something called eit, should I be using that ?
[18:39:00] juski: sona_ same thing ;-)
[18:39:00] sona_: ok
[18:40:00] Blammo[work]: Sona: EIT was in 0.18 as well..
[18:40:00] xris: just didn't work as well
[18:40:00] Yalla-One: kormoc, There are currently two encryption schemes, one from Microsoft, used as basis for their SOC (System on Chip) and one open standard. The reason why companies want it relatively open is to secure revenue through the keys, not the technologies, as they want as many STB manufacturers as possible to be able to receive their channels
[18:40:00] Blammo[work]: So I must have missed the answer... is 0.19 out in rpm's?
[18:40:00] sona_: never saw any options for eit in 0.18
[18:40:00] juski: my NTL cable uses mpeg2 on DVB-C – both open standards. but I can't just plug a DVB-C card into a PC & watch TV
[18:40:00] Blammo[work]: EIT was in the channel options on a per-channel basis
[18:40:00] Yalla-One: Furthermore, in most European countries (such as Sweden, Norway etc) there are regulations that there has to be a certain ratio of free to pay channels for each broadcaster
[18:41:00] sona_: also video is playing at twice the speed in 0.19, any clues ?
[18:41:00] kormoc: Blammo[work], you could look at the site yourself.
[18:41:00] Blammo[work]: aka – channel guide.
[18:41:00] xris: Blammo[work]: it has been for me for months.. but I compile my own. atrpms will be releasing them soon (axel said "a few hours" last night)
[18:41:00] Blammo[work]: Kormoc: IRC no WWW atm.
[18:41:00] Yalla-One: In short, there's no difference between cable TV encrypted or IP/TV encrypted. The difference is IP as transport medium. Encryption can be put on top of both to secure payment. It's _NOT_ the transport medium that dictates DRM etc.
[18:41:00] topping: g'day
[18:41:00] ole_schoola: Blammo: Axel left it in testing last i heard, haven't seen it myself tho, i build from source on top of my ATRPM'd system
[18:41:00] Blammo[work]: ok, thanks.
[18:42:00] juski: Yalla-One – fair enough, but I still don't see it as a good thing. not with HDCP & the likes. they're gonna screw us independent PVR owners over good & proper
[18:42:00] Yalla-One: Anyway – I'm not here to argue a point, just wanted to know as it'd be a nice feature and a company we're working with would be interested in paying good money for such a feature provided it's opensource... I'll have them investigate further and report back if they find something
[18:42:00] kormoc: Yalla-One, well, in a certain way, it sort of does. They can't really add encryption to analog tv without consumers going up in arms, so they can't really encrpyt that.
[18:43:00] juski: but when analogue is gone... see who can gives in first.. would you go without TV to prove a point?
[18:43:00] Yalla-One: kormoc, I haven't been living in the states for 5 years, so maybe things have changed, but last time I was living there, I was paying an arm and a leg for cable. It was certainly not free, the cable quality was crappy, and I didn't know any ways to cheat it :)
[18:43:00] juski: anyway so to answer the question again – IPTV support has been mooted but nobody's produced working code for it yet
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[18:44:00] Yalla-One: juski, So to answer that – if our partner company is interested in writing / getting the code – would the get support in including it as module in myth ?
[18:44:00] kormoc: Yalla-One, it's not free, no, but it's not encrypted, so I can do what I want with it with common hardware and no extra work or breaking drm or anything like that. Digital cable on the other hand isn't so easy.
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[18:44:00] juski: Yalla-One: possibly.. depends what's in it for the developers who'd do the coding
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[18:45:00] kormoc: juski, meh, I doubt analog is gonna go away anytime soon, too many people like myself have it where it's good enough.
[18:45:00] GreyFoxx: IF someone wants to write the code, and it uses the same coding style as is now, then it would have a good chance of being blessed
[18:45:00] topping: i have an lirc integration question that I've been trying to solve over the weekend, wondering if it sounds familiar. I'm compiling from svn trunk. irw reports the keypresses from the remote, so I know that the remote codes are coming in, but no response from mythfronend.
[18:45:00] juski: heh. another recorder class...
[18:45:00] topping: USE_LIRC is fefined in libmyth.pro
[18:45:00] Yalla-One: juski, Too early to say – I'm just snooping around. Thanks for the insight. I guess the analogue->digital transition will happen in different phases based on geography. Here in Europe there are quite a few cities where you can _only_ get digital TV. No analogue broadcast anymore
[18:45:00] Blammo[work]: Ole_Schoola: How does the SD/HD integration work on the HD-5000? I understand it tunes both?
[18:45:00] Yalla-One: Good good – thanks again
[18:46:00] juski: Yalla-One: DRM'd HDTV comes to the UK this year. Definitely not a hope in hell of getting myth to work with it
[18:46:00] scopeuk: eve if we were prepared to accept a proprietery fdriver /interfacing app
[18:47:00] juski: scopeuk: this is rupert murdoch you're talking about here ;-)
[18:47:00] scopeuk: true
[18:47:00] juski: norfolk & chance
[18:47:00] scopeuk: ;-)
[18:47:00] xris: Blammo[work]: if it's like the hd3000 (yes, different manufacturers), then OTA or cable SD comes in as standard software-encoded v4l
[18:47:00] topping: juski: torrentocracy is the future
[18:47:00] juski: I guess if terrestrial HDTV goes that way I'll just have to live without TV
[18:47:00] xris: I haven't had a chance to test the hd5000 sitting on my desk
[18:48:00] xris: topping: albeit too easy to use for illegal stuff.
[18:48:00] Blammo[work]: Xris: ACK, so not mpeg2'd (like a PVR-x50?)
[18:48:00] sona_: what has happened with keybindings in 0.19, can change channels volym... nothing
[18:48:00] sona_: cant*
[18:48:00] xris: Blammo[work]: seriously doubtful
[18:48:00] topping: xris: the problem is, there isn't going to be anything legal if the DRM becomes the norm
[18:48:00] juski: interesting times we live in, and I don't see millions of American consumers up in arms at their potential loss of rights
[18:49:00] xris: topping: will always have analog SD
[18:49:00] juski: will we?
[18:49:00] GreyFoxx: juski: cause they have been convinced top give them up in the name of "security form the big bad wolf"
[18:49:00] Blammo[work]: XRIS: that's like going back to dialup....
[18:49:00] topping: xris: they are trying to legislate analog away atm
[18:50:00] juski: too late.. it already is. switch-off dates have been announced
[18:50:00] topping: "close the analog hole" as they call it here in the states
[18:50:00] juski: it's a done deal, folks
[18:50:00] xris: Blammo[work]: yup.. thus one card for each thing.
[18:50:00] juski: god I'm cheerful today ;-)
[18:50:00] rjune: sex will do that
[18:51:00] xris: juski: that's for broadcast... TINY percentage (like 13%) still receive OTA analog broadcast. the rest use cable/satellite.. and those companies will continue to provide analog connections for their users.
[18:51:00] topping: hence my belief that the only real news source will be a massive torrentocracy-like network
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[18:51:00] juski: right.. time to get off my high-horse & into my car
[18:51:00] juski: laters, peeps
[18:51:00] topping: l8s
[18:51:00] juski: I just like setting cats among pigeons ;-)
[18:51:00] xris: FCC only cares about selling off the spectrum to make money... they're providing funds to help people buy hd->sd converters for their old tb's
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[18:52:00] Jasper: hmm juski you think everything above 5200 is good for tv-out?
[18:52:00] topping: xris: but the problem with that is that the people who can afford the spectrum are seriously vested private interest
[18:52:00] topping: and they are encrypting the hell out of public resources
[18:53:00] ole_schoola: xris hit the nail on the head
[18:53:00] xris: topping: the people buying the spectrum won't use it for tv.
[18:53:00] ole_schoola: i was involved in the PCS-B spectrum auction, holy crap, what a machine that was
[18:53:00] ** topping i was talking about the new hd spectrum, not the old VHF spectrum **
[18:53:00] xris: tv will be digital, with plenty of authorized hardware that can convert digital to analog.
[18:54:00] xris: but OTA represents literally like 13% of US viewers... tiny amount
[18:54:00] topping: ic
[18:54:00] xris: everything else is already encrypted
[18:54:00] topping: yes
[18:54:00] ole_schoola: topping: the US shift is driven by reallocating the analog spectrum, believe me
[18:54:00] topping: right, it's prime frequency
[18:55:00] ole_schoola: it's essentially "make-work"
[18:55:00] topping: ole_schoola: is it? I thought it was a frequency "sweet spot"
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[18:56:00] kormoc: topping, the web is gonna be the place to get news in the future, not some underground bittorrent network imho.
[18:56:00] topping: who said underground? :-)
[18:56:00] xris: topping: no, it's just that there's not much spectrum left over for new applications...
[18:56:00] ole_schoola: the spectrum is worth *billions* which drove/drives the shift to digital
[18:57:00] ole_schoola: after 9/11, the gangsters in Washington started yelling "reallocate to Fire/Safety!"
[18:57:00] ole_schoola: all kinds of horseplay is going on but in the end, 9it's all about the money
[18:58:00] ole_schoola: and yes, that hunk of VHF is sweet spot for all kinds of communications
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[18:59:00] xris: fyi, myth .19 is in atrpms-testing right now.
[18:59:00] xris: definitely for fc4, with other distros following shortly
[19:01:00] Jasper: do you guys know if there's a videocard with the xbox tv-out chip
[19:01:00] Jasper: cuz that's superb quality
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: There were several
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: nothing you can buy new though
[19:01:00] xris: xbox is just a 5200, no?
[19:01:00] xris: Jasper: it's as much about driver support, too.
[19:01:00] GreyFoxx: it was a connexant chip that appearred on acouple nvidia cards back in the day
[19:02:00] azagthoth: hello all. can anyone help give me a clue on a problem I'm having with program listings not going past Thu Feb 16 usi8ng datadirect?
[19:02:00] Jasper: I'm just looking for the best tv-out card
[19:02:00] Jasper: so I won't be buying a shitty card
[19:02:00] kormoc: xris, actually, it's older then that, it's a tweaked geforce 3
[19:02:00] Jasper: :P
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[19:02:00] xris: azagthoth: run mythfilldatabase manually and see what's erroring out?
[19:02:00] kormoc: azagthoth, you should read the announcement on zap2it.
[19:02:00] kormoc: azagthoth, they switched to only giving 3 days of data out right now, to help with load issues
[19:03:00] azagthoth: ah ok. I must have missed it
[19:03:00] azagthoth: that would be the problem. Thanks
[19:03:00] xris: kormoc: didn't realize that.. it's not on their front page.
[19:03:00] azagthoth: I didn't see it. Do you have the url to it?
[19:04:00] kormoc: xris, azagthoth, http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=794
[19:04:00] simcop2387: hmm mofu isn't here i should be able to tell him if there's a problem with 1 hour recordings
[19:04:00] azagthoth: rock. thank you
[19:04:00] xris: kormoc: ahh, in the topic...
[19:04:00] kormoc: xris, yeah, under announcements
[19:04:00] xris: interesting.. so new mythtv installs which try to grab a whole week will only get 3 days, but old ones that are only grabbing a single day will still work
[19:06:00] GreyFoxx: until they bump it back up yeah
[19:07:00] kormoc: actually
[19:07:00] sona_: anybody else havin problems with scanning dvb-t channels with myth 0.19, it finds the transport stream but not any channels, I made a channels.conf and got video bot cant change channels...
[19:07:00] kormoc: I thought it ment they weren't gonna allow anyone to get more then 3 days in the future
[19:07:00] xris: kormoc: good to see that zap2it likes myth. heh
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Zap2its emails to the mailing list said it was a temporay thing until they could fix some load issues, mainly caused by other projects (and some foolish users) who pull massive amounts every time
[19:08:00] xris: kormoc: read the thread. the original post looks like it only freaks out if you try to grab more than 3 days.. but down further they say that it also goes really weird if you try to grab beyond 3 days in the future, too
[19:08:00] GreyFoxx: the dude even said there were users that pulled a hundred times a day
[19:08:00] xris: geesch
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[19:09:00] xris: I may do 5–10 times when experiencing db problems or messing with my channel lineup... and I thought that was a lot
[19:09:00] jams: sounds like something that was preconfigured and then shared
[19:09:00] mc_: hello i've got a newbie question,i looked at the site but couldnt figure out if mythtv runs on *BSD
[19:09:00] ole_schoola: must be other PVR projects, you gotta really go outa your way to pull that many with mythfilldatabase
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[19:10:00] xris: ole_schoola: yeah. well, the thread is very nice to myth.. apparently .19 is even better... the dd server can tell myth WHEN to download the next time
[19:10:00] scopeuk: ok guys besides knoppmyth (which wont work on my hadrware for some stupid reason)whats my best bet
[19:10:00] scopeuk: or if anyone could talk me through isntallign grub :-p
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[19:11:00] mc_: Does mythtv run on *BSD?
[19:11:00] kormoc: scopeuk, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handboo . . . 10#doc_chap2
[19:11:00] laga: mc_: the frontend should work
[19:11:00] kormoc: scopeuk, best grub install howto imho
[19:11:00] mc_: laga, thx
[19:11:00] laga: mc_: openbsd works at least and some other BSD
[19:12:00] scopeuk: kormoc thanks
[19:12:00] mc_: i think if obsd works,all other bsd's should work too
[19:12:00] ole_schoola: mc_:backend still linux only, IIRC
[19:12:00] mc_: will it be ported to bsd?
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[19:12:00] Beirdo: you gonna port all the capture card drivers?
[19:13:00] mc_: i could i would
[19:13:00] laga: *ponder* i think someone ported mythbackend to the ivtv driver for one of the BSDs..not sure, though
[19:13:00] mc_: if i could i would*
[19:13:00] Beirdo: the main issue for porting the backend will be the capture card drivers
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: To run 0.19 on OpenBSD would require a small patch, but it's tiny
[19:15:00] GreyFoxx: For the frontent that is
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[19:19:00] dagfinnr: is fluxbox good for mythfrontend? or what else manager is recommended?
[19:19:00] mc_: i think you can use which you prefer
[19:19:00] dagfinnr: which one takes the least cpu/mem?
[19:20:00] mc_: twm
[19:20:00] mc_: but i think some kb dont matter
[19:21:00] mc_: fluxbox is VERY small too
[19:21:00] dagfinnr: space doesent matter, but performance do
[19:21:00] mc_: well there wont be a major performance difference between window managers like fluxbox,openbox,twm
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: I'm happy using icewm
[19:22:00] dagfinnr: mc_, compared to kde, would i notice any difference?
[19:22:00] mc_: yeah icewm is nice
[19:22:00] mc_: compared to kde of course
[19:23:00] dagfinnr: well im using kde now
[19:24:00] dagfinnr: how do i configure x to use icewm instead of kde after i installed it using apt-get in fc4?
[19:24:00] mc_: so u are using kdm too i guess?
[19:24:00] dagfinnr: whats kdm?
[19:25:00] mc_: they programm which let you login into your X
[19:25:00] dagfinnr: i just installed fedora with kde.. and thats been working good ..but tv is not running smooth anymore
[19:25:00] dagfinnr: yeah, suppose so then
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[19:26:00] mc_: so you are using fedora not debian?
[19:26:00] dagfinnr: yeah, fedora
[19:26:00] mc_: there is apt-get in fedora?
[19:27:00] dagfinnr: well i installed it
[19:27:00] dagfinnr: yum takes forever to search and stuff
[19:27:00] mc_: cant you choose at the login screen which wm to start?
[19:28:00] dagfinnr: my gf is watching bigbrother now.. so i dont dare to check:P
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[19:28:00] laga: i'm not sure if i understand the 'shtudown/wakeup' stuff in mythtv correctly (http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5). can i have it shut down my slave backend automagically while the master backend stays running? the slave backend also is my main frontend – will it shutdown if i watch a recording (don't think so) or use e.g. mythmusic (possible)?
[19:29:00] mc_: lol big brother is a international plague ^^
[19:29:00] dagfinnr: yeah
[19:29:00] dagfinnr: i dont watch it.. got enough of it the first yeah..its like the 5 or 6th now
[19:29:00] mc_: where are you from?
[19:29:00] dagfinnr: norway
[19:30:00] ole_schoola: mc_: although none of the Fedora HOWTO's (Jarod, wiki) suggest this yet, Smart is the preferred way of getting dependencies sorted out, at least using the ATRPMs repo
[19:30:00] dagfinnr: they had sex the first night, lol.
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[19:31:00] mc_: if there is no option at the login screen to use icewm instead of kde,you have too search for a configuring KDM tutorial
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[19:32:00] ole_schoola: sorry mc_, that was meant for daggfinnr
[19:32:00] mc_: i know
[19:32:00] mc_: dagfinnr, if you want to use linux i think u should try debian,fedory sux
[19:33:00] ** ole_schoola ducks and runs for cover **
[19:33:00] simcop2387: laga: i would imagine not since the backends are told what the frontend is doing, what i never figured out was how to have it wake up to record if needed
[19:34:00] mc_: i've got to go now,have a nice day
[19:34:00] laga: simcop2387: i believe that your problem is in the link i've posted. i could be mistaken, though
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[19:34:00] simcop2387: i'll check it out
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[19:35:00] simcop2387: ooo nvram-wakeup thats exactly what i've been after
[19:35:00] laga: hehe :)
[19:35:00] laga: yep, i'm currently testing that
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[19:35:00] laga: looks like my board needs a reboot, though
[19:36:00] laga: simcop2387: did you see 'mythwelcome'?
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[19:39:00] Jasper: can anyone tell me the easiest way to tune a tvfrequency with which you can see direct result
[19:39:00] Jasper: if it's better or worse
[19:39:00] simcop2387: laga: mythwelcome?
[19:39:00] Chutt: trac isn't always closing bugs when it should
[19:39:00] Chutt: hrmph
[19:39:00] Baylink: How dare it.
[19:40:00] Chutt: Baylink, oh, so, about the wiki
[19:40:00] Baylink: Almost 100K hits since the release.
[19:40:00] Chutt: the bigass news section on the front page is really fugly.
[19:40:00] simcop2387: laga: it shouldn't be too hard to alter /sbin/init to do the reboot and shut down automatically after a certain file has been created
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[19:41:00] simcop2387: laga: could also do it rc.local too if you wanted but doing it sooner would be better i think
[19:41:00] Chutt: and i really wish you guys wouldn't upload huge image files.
[19:41:00] Baylink: Not a function MW handles that well. I'm going to trim it down to Old News now that the release is out. "Huge"? Wha'd they do?
[19:41:00] Chutt: they increase my bandwidth usage for no good reason.
[19:41:00] simcop2387: ooo i like the idea of mythwelcome
[19:41:00] Chutt: frankly, i don't see a need for the 'news' to be on the front page at all
[19:42:00] Chutt: especially when most of it is as offtopic crap as you seem to post. :p
[19:42:00] Baylink: I... see.
[19:42:00] laga: simcop2387: mythwelcome is a nice app that can be used with then shutdown/wakeup stuff. it's in 0.19, check it out – especially programs/mythwelcome/README. i dunno if there is something in the official howto, i haven't read the 0.19 one yet
[19:42:00] laga: simcop2387: i believe you can pass options to the kernel to make it reboot. i'll do some research..
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[19:42:00] sandos: is ivtv now in the kernel??
[19:43:00] Baylink: I don't tend to like static front pages; the front page is where I want people to have the habit of coming, so if there's something important to get out, it will reach the maximum audience.
[19:43:00] Chutt: that's what the website's fore
[19:43:00] laga: the website doesn't get updated often, though :)
[19:43:00] Chutt: it gets updated when there's important information, though
[19:44:00] laga: Chutt: every release or so? :)
[19:44:00] Baylink: Um, yeah.
[19:44:00] Chutt: which is when there's important information
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[19:44:00] scottder: anyone else get a very dark picture with bloomy reds using s-video out on nvidia cards?
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[19:44:00] Chutt: i don't think that whiney political crap is 'important information'
[19:44:00] Baylink: You were following the "is the project dead?" thread, right?
[19:44:00] laga: i like the idea of having pvr-/mythtv-related news in the wiki. maybe it can be moved ot its own page
[19:45:00] Chutt: laga, that's what i said :
[19:45:00] Chutt: err, :p
[19:45:00] scopeuk: GreyFoxx whats the address of that other irc server again please
[19:45:00] scopeuk: i jsut got bumped
[19:45:00] Chutt: Throttling — Do they really follow their own rules? CNN says Netflix doesn't, in this article about how they're penalizing their best customers. Remember: it's all about money; they're public corporations; that's all they're allowed to be interested in, or their stockholders will sue them. --Baylink 00:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
[19:45:00] Chutt: like
[19:45:00] Chutt: ok, what does _that_ have to do with mythtv?
[19:45:00] Baylink: Seen a music video on MTV lately?
[19:45:00] laga: Chutt: oh, heh. sleep deprivation, you know ;)
[19:46:00] Baylink: We *do* have a MythFlix plugin, right?
[19:46:00] Chutt: uh, i'm not 13 anymore, i don't watch mtv.
[19:46:00] Baylink: It seemed ontopic to our audience, to me.
[19:46:00] Chutt: i do _not_ want political pvr 'your rights online' slashdot-esque crap on my website.
[19:47:00] Pitchin_uk: Evening what settings do i need to put into mythweb/includes/init.php to get access to my database
[19:47:00] Chutt: this isn't your personal blog
[19:47:00] Chutt: i'm sorry, but it's not :p
[19:47:00] Baylink: Then take it down.
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[19:48:00] laga: it's a wiki :P
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[19:48:00] laga: sad that we now have restrictions on the content there.
[19:48:00] Baylink: And, not to put too fine a point on it, one that could have been hosted many places.
[19:48:00] Chutt: laga, on the front page.
[19:48:00] Jasper: do you guys know this message: videoinput: card failed to allocate capture buffers
[19:49:00] Chutt: Baylink, you're treating it like it's your blog, though.
[19:49:00] Chutt: most of the stuff there has absolutely nothing to do with myth
[19:49:00] Chutt: why does it belong on the front page?
[19:49:00] simcop2387: laga: yea i've been looking at all the new features getting ready to try to update my parents mythbox from remote
[19:50:00] simcop2387: i've wanted to use swsuspend and wakeup for them but didn't know how to do the wakeup part, then i'll try to get it to do lots of neat stuff with powering on from the remote and rewriting the initscripts to be faster
[19:51:00] Baylink: My quick count is that it's 2.5: or 3:1 items that *directly* relate to MythTV and it's use. That's "most...nothing"?
[19:51:00] laga: Chutt: let's put it on a different page then :) maybe the community portal or something
[19:51:00] Chutt: don't count broadcast flag stuff
[19:51:00] Chutt: or things that relate to pvr
[19:52:00] Baylink: You don't count those, as on topic items?
[19:52:00] Chutt: or cable card, or 'hbo doesn't want you to record their programming'
[19:52:00] laga: simcop2387: rewriting init scripts? i've heard good stuff about 'runit', it lets your parallelize starting of services as well
[19:52:00] Chutt: no, i don't.
[19:52:00] Chutt: i don't think they relate to myth at all
[19:53:00] ** laga likes the frontpage a lot and is gonna steal the layout for mythwiki.de **
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[19:53:00] Baylink: What I am treating the News (template) as is, yes, a blog, of items that seem to me as pertinent and interesting to people who have or want to have a MythTV box.
[19:53:00] Chutt: i like the rest of the frontpage layout
[19:53:00] Chutt: i just don't think that your personal blog belongs on the front page of the mythtv wiki.
[19:53:00] Baylink: My personal blog is at baylink.pitas.com, and has little to say about these issues, in general.
[19:54:00] Baylink: And I'm getting a little tired of the "your personal blog" rap.
[19:54:00] Chutt: how is it not?
[19:54:00] Chutt: you're the only one that's made an entry on it
[19:54:00] Baylink: It's not locked.
[19:54:00] Chutt: it's most "industry" related stories
[19:54:00] Chutt: the front page certainly is locked.
[19:54:00] Baylink: "[Add news item]"
[19:55:00] Chutt: does the fact that no-one's done that mean nothing? :p
[19:55:00] Baylink: I hadn't gotten far enough to decide what it meant. And yeah, a couple other people have put things up there, I think.
[19:55:00] Baylink: Henk, Tyler,
[19:56:00] Chutt: nothing that's there now
[19:56:00] Baylink: "Henk, Tyler"
[19:56:00] Chutt: what do you have against moving the not-directly mythtv related stuff to another page?
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[19:56:00] ** xris ponders an IndustryNews tag **
[19:57:00] Baylink: I already explained why I don't want to pull news, in general, off the front page.
[19:57:00] Chutt: no, you didn't
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[19:57:00] Baylink: "I don't tend to like static front pages; the front page is where I want people to have the habit of coming, so if there's something important to get out, it will reach the maximum audience."
[19:58:00] Chutt: and how would restricting the 'news' section to only mythtv stuff change that?
[19:58:00] Baylink: If there isn't one or two new items on that page roughly daily, it won't have that result.
[19:58:00] Baylink: The "official website" changed once in 10 *months*. Clearly, there's not all that much "news" there.  ;-)
[19:58:00] xris: Baylink: I agree with Chutt on this one... mixing site news in with other random news dilutes both of thenm
[19:58:00] Chutt: right, because people are going to scroll down and check that
[19:58:00] simcop2387: laga: hmm hadn't heard of runit, i've rewritten them so i can do things faster (skip unneccesary steps/checks) and in parrellel, i got a 486 to boot to xfce in 90 seconds
[19:59:00] Chutt: SITE NEWS — 24 hours. 53,000 hits. Wow. It's amazing what happens when you're official. Welcome, all. --Baylink 03:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[19:59:00] laga: simcop2387: spiffy :)
[19:59:00] Chutt: that's not the slightest bit masturbatory
[19:59:00] Baylink: Oh, entirely. That means it's *bad*?
[19:59:00] Chutt: not at all
[19:59:00] simcop2387: laga: yea before with gentoo's init scripts it to around 6 minutes
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[19:59:00] laga: simcop2387: gentoo on a 486? i hope you had some distcc slaves? :)
[20:00:00] simcop2387: laga: Athlon64 3200+, Athlon XP 1800+ etc
[20:00:00] simcop2387: wasn't tooo bad but still took forever
[20:00:00] xris: Chutt: totally off-topic question.. the "retro" theme on the front page of the wiki. where is that?
[20:00:00] Chutt: i have no idea
[20:01:00] laga: Chutt, Baylink: why not have mythtv related stuff on the frontpage and other stuff on a separate opage. then, we could put a small box with the most recent entries of the separate 'other stuff' page.
[20:01:00] Baylink: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes
[20:01:00] Chutt: laga, apparently that won't work.
[20:01:00] Chutt: why, i can't telly you
[20:01:00] Baylink: laeder boxes like that require manual maintenance at the moment, laga.
[20:01:00] Baylink: (leader)
[20:01:00] xris: Baylink: then why isn't it in the source?
[20:01:00] laga: Baylink: i know, i have to do the same crap – but it'd work ;)
[20:02:00] Baylink: xris: henh?
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[20:02:00] xris: oh, wait.. saw mythcenter img and thought it was retro
[20:02:00] Baylink: The link for retro points to http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/
[20:03:00] laga: Baylink: there probably are bots that could do this job
[20:03:00] scottder: Anyone else here using s-video on nvidia card?
[20:04:00] Baylink: I'm looking into a custom extension to do it actually.
[20:04:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: yup
[20:05:00] Baylink: But before I try to fix this problem: it is item count, byte count, location, or topic that's your problem, Chutt?
[20:05:00] Chutt: mostly topic
[20:05:00] Chutt: the item count could be reduced as well
[20:05:00] Pitchin_uk: whats the myth db called??
[20:05:00] Chutt: if it was on a separate page, no issues whatsoever.
[20:05:00] scottder: How the quality? mine seems awfully dark and bloomy red...liek it's going through some kind old VCR copy protection :)
[20:05:00] xris: Baylink: thx.. someone should probably update the themes page on the main mythtv.org site
[20:06:00] kormoc: Pitchin_uk, mythconverg
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[20:06:00] Chutt: xris, those are themes that are actually hosted there
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[20:06:00] scottder: using 8178 nvidia drivers
[20:06:00] scottder: no xmvc for output waiting till I have 0.19 for that
[20:06:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: mine look almost perfect
[20:06:00] xris: Chutt: but aren't they horribly out of date?
[20:07:00] kormoc: scottder, might want to try the 7676 drivers then. I've heard of issues with tv out with the 8xxx drivers. Not the same issues as you're having, but it might be worth a shot.
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: I'm using 7676 but that just because of some bugs in the driver,. not because of video quality
[20:07:00] Chutt: xris, yes, but that's because the authors haven't updated them :p
[20:07:00] scottder: wondering if it's the cable I am using...
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[20:07:00] scottder: cheap thing that came with my tuner card
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: The screenshits page is ancient :)
[20:07:00] Chutt: but, yeah, i should be able to just get rid of that section
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: hahaha
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: screenshOts page
[20:08:00] xris: Chutt: which is why I suggested someone might want to remove them. or at least put a note up that they're busted
[20:08:00] Chutt: and i intend to, eventually
[20:08:00] xris: GreyFoxx: crap.. forgot that I have to take new screenshots to go with the new mythweb.
[20:08:00] Baylink: WHat, Chutt; your screenshots page? I just linked *to* that.
[20:09:00] Chutt: Baylink, no, the themes section on the webstie
[20:09:00] Baylink: Oh.
[20:09:00] Chutt: they don't work anymore
[20:09:00] Jasper: omg they should have made an autotune program in mythtv
[20:09:00] Jasper: :P
[20:09:00] GreyFoxx: A what ?
[20:09:00] xris: Jasper: huh?
[20:09:00] Jasper: autotune tv-frequenties
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[20:09:00] Jasper: frequency's
[20:09:00] Jasper: :P
[20:09:00] xris: Jasper: it does. but only with digital
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: What do you think happens when you changes chanels? It "automatically" tunes to the proper requencie
[20:10:00] xris: GreyFoxx: I think he means a channel scanner
[20:10:00] Baylink: Ok, 100k hits, as of now.
[20:10:00] Jasper: yeah
[20:10:00] Jasper: I mean a channel scanner
[20:10:00] Chutt: Baylink, and.. so?
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: There is one I believe
[20:10:00] xris: Jasper: myth works based on guide data.. analog signal has no guide data
[20:10:00] Pitchin_uk: cheers Kormoc. I get and access denied for user root on mythweb – any ideas?
[20:10:00] Chutt: the main website's gotten about 200k in the past two days
[20:10:00] laga: umm
[20:10:00] Chutt: but, what's that got to do with anything?
[20:10:00] GreyFoxx: You can scan for channels in the channel editor portion of mythtv-setup
[20:11:00] laga: with 0.19, you can scan for analog channels
[20:11:00] xris: laga: gotcha
[20:11:00] Jasper: greyfoxx where?
[20:11:00] Chutt: well, 200k of the front page
[20:11:00] D-side: xris: anything new in nuvexport land?
[20:11:00] GreyFoxx: I'm never done it, but it's there
[20:11:00] laga: xris: :)
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[20:11:00] Chutt: not counting the rest
[20:11:00] kormoc: Pitchin_uk, you likely need to allow access to the db from the mythweb computer. Follow the docs for allowing multiple frontends
[20:11:00] Jasper: hmmm, gonna check now
[20:11:00] xris: D-side: not really. I just bumped the version to coincide with .19
[20:11:00] Jasper: I must be blind then
[20:11:00] Chutt: that's a normal slashdotting/release hit
[20:11:00] xris: ipod/psp exporters should be a little more compatible now
[20:11:00] Chutt: though traffic is up since the binaries are bigger
[20:11:00] xris: Jasper: it's in mythtv-setup
[20:12:00] Pitchin_uk: its from the same machine the backend is on
[20:12:00] xris: Chutt: I'll try to get you some new mythweb screens tonight if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
[20:12:00] Chutt: sure
[20:12:00] Chutt: just email me or whatnot
[20:12:00] xris: willdo.
[20:12:00] Chutt: i'll scrounge up my sourceforge account login info
[20:12:00] Chutt: all the screenshots are there to cut down on bandwidth :p
[20:13:00] Jasper: xros where then?
[20:13:00] xris: heh
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[20:13:00] Jasper: I must be blind?
[20:13:00] xris: Jasper: channel editor?
[20:13:00] GreyFoxx: <GreyFoxx> You can scan for channels in the channel editor portion of mythtv-setup
[20:13:00] Jasper: yes I'm there
[20:13:00] Jasper: I don't see a scan method?
[20:13:00] xris: method?
[20:13:00] Jasper: like a button
[20:13:00] Jasper: to autoscan for channel frequency';s
[20:13:00] xris: there should be a button there. I used it for my ATSC stuff
[20:14:00] xris: no mythbox here to play with
[20:14:00] laga: Jasper: you using 0.19?
[20:14:00] Jasper: is it new in .19 ?
[20:14:00] Jasper: no
[20:14:00] Jasper: using .18.1
[20:14:00] laga: hahaha
[20:14:00] xris: Jasper: yes
[20:14:00] Jasper: at the moment
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: "Channel Scanner"
[20:14:00] D-side: I don't suppose anyone here is affliated with or knows the guys doing the xbmcmythtv stuff?
[20:14:00] Jasper: omg..
[20:14:00] Jasper: so I need to install 1.19..
[20:14:00] Jasper: hmm
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: There was a button in 0.18, though it might have been differently named
[20:14:00] GreyFoxx: and it was for framegrabbers, wouldn't work for PVR cards
[20:14:00] simcop2387: hey GreyFoxx, whats up
[20:15:00] GreyFoxx: The Sun
[20:15:00] laga: the channel scan worked fine with my pvr 250. i'm in pal-country, though.
[20:15:00] xris: reminds me, I should upgrade the mythbox at work to .19
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[20:15:00] Pitchin_uk: Kormoc – its from the same machine the backend is on
[20:15:00] laga: simcop2387: regarding the reboot problem, i've found some information in /usr/share/doc/nvram-wakeup/README.reboot on debian
[20:16:00] D-side: xris: mythbox at work? nice. :)
[20:16:00] kormoc: Pitchin_uk, that's odd... your db permissions are just wacky
[20:16:00] xris: D-side: yeah. plugged into the big plasma so we can watch daily show or mythbusters at lunch
[20:16:00] Pitchin_uk: its all default
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[20:16:00] Jasper: ok is there a program outside mythtv to finetune? and where you can see it directly?
[20:16:00] simcop2387: laga: cool
[20:17:00] D-side: xris: wow, thats a cool working environment. still the same place? (silicon mechanics last i heard)
[20:17:00] simcop2387: Jasper: what card? bt878?
[20:17:00] xris: Jasper: mythweb has a channel editor... and so does setup
[20:17:00] xris: D-side: yup
[20:17:00] Juski: right that's my DB & settings backed up
[20:17:00] xris: helps when one of the managers (me) is a mythtv dev... and the whole company is very friendly to OSS.
[20:17:00] Jasper: yea I know..but you can't see what happends when you change it in mythtv-setup unless you check frontend
[20:17:00] Jasper: and that's a painstaiking process for 25 channels
[20:17:00] Pitchin_uk: Kormoc – its all default
[20:18:00] xris: I had to relicense a bunch of my code to LGPL so I could share it with work, too... then simech contributes to mythweb development.  :)
[20:18:00] Pitchin_uk: Kormoc – what exactly do i need to put into ini.php
[20:18:00] simcop2387: Jasper: if you've got a pvr you might be able to play with ivtv-tune
[20:18:00] simcop2387: and mplayer
[20:18:00] lightx: where do I look for my db to being off by 1?
[20:19:00] Jasper: simcop how can I watch streams in mplayer?
[20:19:00] lightx: the channel 2 is correct but shows NO DATA in the program listing
[20:20:00] Pitchin_uk: init.php even
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[20:27:00] Icemaann: I thought I read somewhere that mythstreamtv was going to become part of mythweb itself.... is that true?
[20:27:00] simcop2387: Jasper: mplayer /dev/video0
[20:27:00] Juski: making sure I've got backups of my DHCP server config etc ...
[20:27:00] simcop2387: Jasper: what i don't know is if you can finetune it while watching or if you'll have to stop mplayer first
[20:27:00] simcop2387: it'll be faster than the frontend anyway
[20:27:00] laga: Juski: just tar /etc up, who knows what stuff you're gonna need ;)
[20:27:00] Juski: you can finetune it while playing
[20:27:00] Juski: laga: bah ;-)
[20:27:00] simcop2387: cool
[20:28:00] Juski: backed up my recordings last night.. being v. paranoid about this
[20:29:00] Blammo[work]: Icemann: I sure hope so... btw, has anyone made MythstreamDV work correctly with DVB/mpeg2-ts recordings? I can't seem to.
[20:29:00] Juski: and the ubuntu install is going on a new HDD just incase
[20:29:00] Chutt: Baylink, thanks for making it smaller, at least.
[20:29:00] kormoc: Chutt, btw, I guess I should tell you. myth's mc.sql now requires mysql 4.02+, as GRANT CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES was implimented in 4.02+
[20:29:00] Chutt: kormoc, it doesn't matter if that fails
[20:29:00] Chutt: that's why it's where it is
[20:30:00] kormoc: Chutt, ahh, coolness.
[20:30:00] Chutt: by 'where it is' i meant 'separate'
[20:30:00] mik3: is the DEFAULT CHARACTER SET thing the same? that line failed on my 4.0 mysql
[20:30:00] Chutt: yeah
[20:30:00] Chutt: doesn't matter if it fails
[20:30:00] Chutt: it'll work where it needs to, and that's enough =)
[20:32:00] kormoc: sounds good :)
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[20:33:00] Juski: whoops – almost forgot in.tftpd too
[20:33:00] ** Juski tars up /etc **
[20:34:00] ** laga snickers **
[20:34:00] Juski: I think it's gonna be worth taking the precaution
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[20:35:00] Juski: and after all it's only diskspace
[20:36:00] phatmonkey: what changes are there in the 0.19 version of mythweb?
[20:36:00] phatmonkey: I'm going to upgrade everything to 0.19 next week... I know I should change something that works, but what the hell!
[20:36:00] phatmonkey: *shouldn't
[20:36:00] Beirdo: just as soon as my DSL is working again, I'll svn up again :)
[20:37:00] Juski: plenty of changes in mythweb 0.19 to keep you entertained ;-)
[20:37:00] Juski: especially if you don't read the readme file properly
[20:37:00] ** laga preaches RTFM **
[20:38:00] Jasper: when I select a frequency and finetune it...I can't get the blurry niss off it...can that be a driver related problem?
[20:40:00] Juski: Jasper: do the finetuning using your monitor, not your TV if your tv out is crappy
[20:40:00] Jasper: I tried juski
[20:40:00] Jasper: on computer screen it's also blurry
[20:40:00] Juski: crappy cable feed?
[20:40:00] Jasper: well
[20:40:00] Jasper: on my tv it's fine..
[20:40:00] Jasper: if I plug the cable in my t.v.
[20:41:00] Juski: define 'blurry' anyway
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[20:41:00] Juski: like this? http://neuron2.net/LVG/inthead.jpg
[20:42:00] Jasper: well yes a bit
[20:42:00] Juski: that's interlace artifacts
[20:42:00] kahuna_: Hi. What seems to produce a better picture for you guys with nvidia fx5200's? kernel deint, or bob with openGL vsync? what about XvMC?
[20:42:00] Jasper: but I use pal juski?
[20:42:00] Jasper: Juski you can't watch mpeg feeds right?
[20:42:00] Jasper: otherwise I could upload an example.
[20:43:00] phatmonkey: Juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_readme &nda sh; this time it doesn't appear to give me any information on new stuff...
[20:43:00] laga: kahuna_: i liked xvmc + chromakey osd + opengl vsync + bob
[20:43:00] phatmonkey: ;)
[20:43:00] Blammo[work]: Kahuna: given the CPU, Kern. Gien no CPU, XVMC, openGL, BoB
[20:43:00] kahuna_: 2.8 celly
[20:43:00] laga: kerneldeint just doesn't look smooth here.
[20:43:00] Blammo[work]: XvMC still has stability/lock/timeout-on-prebuffer-issues.
[20:43:00] Jasper: it's like I can see it refreshing Juski
[20:44:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: And this "blurr" happens at points of movement on the screen ?
[20:44:00] kahuna_: How about NTSC modelines? Do any special modelines help at all?
[20:45:00] Jasper: GreyFoxx I'll give you an example
[20:45:00] kahuna_: I'd like to not use deinterlace at all if possible.
[20:46:00] GreyFoxx: Jasper: Just answer the question :) Do these "blurrs" appear on parts of the screen thaty are moving ?
[20:46:00] mik3: GreyFoxx, you mean "only" on parts of the screen that are moving?
[20:46:00] kahuna_: Kerneldeint looks OK, but seems to get jittery at times for me.
[20:46:00] Jasper: no greyfoxx
[20:46:00] Jasper: text which isn't changing is also flickering
[20:47:00] kahuna_: In theory if I'm outputting to a plain old SD tv, then I shouldn't have to deinterlace if the fields are in correct order right?
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: But on a screen, where say a person is walking by, is the blurr around the person only or the entire screen?
[20:47:00] Juski: flickering.. like it looks as if it's moving up & down a little all the time? interlacing
[20:47:00] laga: kahuna_: i tried a PAL modeline once with nvidia 7676 but i still had interlacing artefacts. i believe Xv is to blame it here, i've seen reports where mplayer -vo opengl works fine in such environments where -vo xv does not.
[20:47:00] Jasper: no
[20:47:00] Jasper: that looks fine greyfoxx
[20:47:00] Jasper: it's just still text which really shows
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[20:47:00] Jasper: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/tmf.mpg if you want an example
[20:48:00] Juski: welcome to TV on PCs
[20:48:00] kahuna_: laga: So XV is probably causing the vidcard to rescale the image and ruing the field order then?
[20:48:00] Jasper: hmm that's a bad example
[20:48:00] Jasper: you just caught the commercial
[20:49:00] Juski: bah.. quicktime shite! I don't want firefox to open media file
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[20:50:00] Chutt: something's not caching mysql queries very well on the website
[20:50:00] Chutt: hrm
[20:50:00] Juski: quicktime file extension domination is part of the reason I hate Apple
[20:50:00] GreyFoxx: Need to turn up the size of the SQL cache ?
[20:51:00] GreyFoxx: Man, I haven't seen this long between emails from -users in a long time
[20:52:00] Chutt: naw
[20:52:00] Chutt: looks to be mainly stats updates
[20:52:00] kahuna_: Makes you wonder if there's something wrong?
[20:52:00] kahuna_: BTW, 0.19 kicks ass.
[20:52:00] Jasper: greyfoxx I got a good example captured in a mpeg2 file can you read that?
[20:52:00] Jasper: it's only small size
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: anytime I don't see a post on -users for a few hours I wonder if something is broken heh
[20:52:00] Chutt: the commits list is working
[20:52:00] Juski: I can look at mpeg files now
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, I'
[20:53:00] Jasper: http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/root/test.mpg
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: ve seen stuff there
[20:53:00] sandos: kahuna_, is there any software to sync the playback to the refresh? ie. reclock
[20:53:00] Jasper: ah there you can see it
[20:53:00] sandos: I didnt find any such software for linux yet.. only reference I can find is matox cards with directfb
[20:53:00] Jasper: that's a good example of the problem
[20:53:00] kahuna_: sandos: Isn't that what opengl vsync does?
[20:53:00] sandos: Ive no idea
[20:53:00] Juski: that's the fields being in the wrong order, Jasper
[20:53:00] Jasper: what do you mean juski?
[20:53:00] Juski: driver problem
[20:54:00] kahuna_: I suppose is you were running in vesa mode you could sync to the vesa interrupt, but vesa is slow as crap.
[20:54:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah weird
[20:54:00] Jasper: you mean the tuner=57,57 part
[20:54:00] Jasper: in the drivers?
[20:54:00] Chutt: GreyFoxx, have anything to send to the users list?
[20:54:00] Juski: well, with interlaced video, one frame is made up of two fields. the 1st field carries odd numbered lines. the 2nd field carries even numbered lines
[20:54:00] Jasper: yaeh but we're on a pal system here ?
[20:54:00] Juski: shown very quickly one after the other, they're intended to give the impression of higher resolution
[20:55:00] Juski: PAL & NTSC & SECAM all use interlacing
[20:55:00] Jasper: hmm k
[20:55:00] Jasper: so how can I fix this then Juski ?
[20:55:00] GreyFoxx: There, I just replied to a post on -users
[20:55:00] Juski: Jasper: I think it's a driver problem
[20:55:00] Jasper: it isn't a tuning problem right?
[20:56:00] Juski: nah – tuning looks pretty spot on to me
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: You might want to email the ivtv list about it, that clip might be useful for them to figure it out
[20:56:00] Jasper: the weird thing is...you only see it in still tsanding text and stuff
[20:56:00] Chutt: err
[20:56:00] Juski: might be? it'll be blatently obvious with that clip ;-)
[20:56:00] Jasper: not in moving parts
[20:56:00] Chutt: GreyFoxx, give me a sec
[20:56:00] GreyFoxx: Nah, you can see it around the people too
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[20:57:00] Juski: Jasper: it's on all parts of the picture
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: the texzt is just the most obvious
[20:57:00] Juski: believe me, I know stuff like this when I see it :)
[20:57:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[20:57:00] Jasper: ok so I need to email ivtv board
[20:57:00] Jasper: hmm
[20:57:00] Juski: knowing video is part of my job
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[20:57:00] Chutt: GreyFoxx, can you send another?
[20:58:00] kahuna_: what are the stability issues with xmvc?
[20:58:00] mik3: Jasper are you hard-setting the tuner on ivtv module load?
[20:58:00] GreyFoxx: Done
[20:58:00] Juski: Jasper: this might be taking you out of your depth, but I think there's an ivtvctl option to reverse the field order... never used it so good luck ;)
[20:58:00] Jasper: mik3 I set tuner=57,57
[20:59:00] laga: kahuna_: search the mailing list for it, i believe it's mostly a tminig issue with Xv
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[20:59:00] mik3: are you sure you need to do that? it's usually better just to let it autodetect
[20:59:00] Juski: tuner type will have little to do with it I reckon
[20:59:00] mik3: prolly
[20:59:00] Juski: anyway... time to watch some mythtv :-)
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: Heh I'm still using 0.20rcj :)
[20:59:00] GreyFoxx: ivtv that is
[20:59:00] Beirdo: you're as bad as me
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: I stuck to 0.19 for a LONG time :)
[21:00:00] Jasper: I think it detects the correct tuner mik3
[21:00:00] laga: 0.1.9 was horrible ;)
[21:00:00] mik3: ok, but if you pass a tuner= option on module load, it'll use that instead of what it detects
[21:00:00] Chutt: mailman's stuck.
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: I never had a single problem with 0.1.9
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: I changed kernels though so I moved to 0.2.0
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Doh
[21:01:00] The_Login: what kernel is best for dvb card support a 2.6.13 ?
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[21:05:00] variable: i am trying to compile mythtv .19 from source on ubuntu and am getting this error:
[21:05:00] variable: big/little test failed
[21:05:00] variable: error, no memalign() but sse enabled, either disable it or use --enable-memalign-hack
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[21:06:00] Niklas_E: variable: installed the kernel headers0
[21:06:00] Niklas_E: ?
[21:07:00] variable: trying now
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[21:09:00] variable: need to restart
[21:09:00] variable: brb
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[21:12:00] variable: na, didnt work
[21:12:00] ole_schoola: The_Login: best ask this question over at linuxtv.org, what kind of card you have in mind?
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[21:13:00] variable: same exact erros
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[21:17:00] variable: anyone have these errors before?
[21:17:00] buu: NO.
[21:17:00] ** Beirdo looks around the channel... nope, anyone isn't logged in. **
[21:18:00] Beirdo: -NickServ- + Last Seen: 9 hours 46 minutes 32 seconds ago
[21:18:00] Beirdo: outta luck, variable :)
[21:18:00] variable: have any ideas then?
[21:18:00] ole_schoola: Beirdo: if you got yer trout back, smack yerself ;)
[21:18:00] Beirdo: I can't believe a dude actually registered "anyone" as a nick :)
[21:18:00] Beirdo: that's pretty funny
[21:20:00] Jasper: do you guys think there's any way to put interlace on on a pvr 500?
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[21:20:00] Beirdo: variable: dunno, try what it says to do?
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[21:21:00] drdaz: hey there guys n gals (?)... I've managed to screw up my installation of alsa... I've been using axel thimms rpms on FC4. I'd been having issues with the Bad page errors since moving to kernel .15 so I uninstalled and attempted to build alsa myself. At some point I elected to drop that idea and move back to a .14 kernel. I used the make uninstall command for each of the builds I had made. While everything appears ok, I am now unable to build xine. It ba
[21:21:00] drdaz: I can add that something screwy happened since when I reinstalled from rpms, libasound2 was apparently missing even though rpm and yum thought it was properly installed
[21:21:00] drdaz: so I reinstalled the libasound2 rpm manually
[21:21:00] drdaz: not sure if that offers any clues
[21:21:00] ** drdaz hopes so **
[21:21:00] ole_schoola: drdaz: you on amd64?
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[21:22:00] drdaz: yes n no... sempron socket 939 running x86
[21:22:00] ole_schoola: ahhh, i get those on full 64-bit 2.6.15–1.1830, moving to -1831 a little later today hoping to get rid of those page errors
[21:23:00] ole_schoola: btw: system works juuuust fine regardless of the page alloc errors
[21:23:00] drdaz: heh yeah but..
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[21:23:00] drdaz: really irritating that they pop up on the screen like they do :p
[21:23:00] ole_schoola: but what?
[21:23:00] ole_schoola: oh yeah, i agree
[21:23:00] drdaz: it also kinda bug me that something isnt right
[21:24:00] drdaz: bugs*
[21:24:00] ole_schoola: sure, but if it ain't REALLY broke....
[21:24:00] drdaz: heh
[21:24:00] drdaz: WAF
[21:24:00] drdaz: its broke enough that I need to fix it
[21:24:00] dagfinnr: ive just update the kernel via yum update, but some modules didnt support this new one, so i booted on the old one, and in the same yum update a new ivtv-kmd1 got installed for this new kernel, but it seems that yum no longer can find the old ivtv-kmd for my kernel..how can i take a step back on that file/package?
[21:24:00] ole_schoola: hmmmm, mine stay in the background and don't display over the FE
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[21:25:00] drdaz: ok.. hmm..
[21:25:00] drdaz: thing is.. moving back to .14 fixed it
[21:25:00] ole_schoola: so now hit on the SOF
[21:25:00] ole_schoola: so no hit...
[21:25:00] marccd-g: how can I see the program guide in watching tv mode?
[21:25:00] drdaz: if I'd have not pissed about with alsa... all would be sweet
[21:25:00] ole_schoola: menu -> program guide
[21:26:00] ole_schoola: that wuz the culprit i think
[21:26:00] drdaz: but I did... any idea whatsoever what I borked and how to unborkify it?
[21:26:00] marccd-g: no, there should be a keybidning
[21:27:00] ole_schoola: well, i thought i'd back alsa down a notch to the perious release but hadn't bothered as the system ran fine
[21:27:00] Chutt: website's down momentarily
[21:27:00] ole_schoola: just waited for the (eventual) bump in kernel and here i am
[21:28:00] drdaz: ahh.. my idea was to compile the release candidate since that included a fix
[21:28:00] ole_schoola: did not affect my i386 system BTW
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[21:28:00] drdaz: I got as far as make installing 2/3 of the alsa packages
[21:28:00] ole_schoola: i wouldn't have the first idea how to unbork everything you've done to the sys so far, tho, sorry
[21:29:00] drdaz: its about there that I think it went haywire
[21:29:00] drdaz: :) np
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[21:31:00] ole_schoola: looks like Chutt found the missing spanner
[21:31:00] drdaz: someone was missing a spanner?
[21:31:00] drdaz: oO
[21:32:00] ole_schoola: "wrench in the works"
[21:32:00] Beirdo: a few people have some screws loose
[21:32:00] ole_schoola: mailman for mythtv-users was hosed
[21:32:00] Chutt: nope
[21:32:00] Chutt: it just started working on its own
[21:33:00] marccd-g: god the vanilla init script is HORRIBLE
[21:33:00] marccd-g: it tires to run the backbend as user mythtv.. wtf
[21:33:00] LonEagle_: it has to
[21:33:00] kormoc: that's a good thing...
[21:34:00] LonEagle_: the backend doesn't work (for me anyway) if i run it as root
[21:34:00] marccd-g: it works for me as root
[21:34:00] marccd-g: it doenst as myth, anyways
[21:34:00] LonEagle_: if i run it as root it finds no tuners
[21:34:00] Beirdo: heh
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[21:34:00] kormoc: but why run things as root that don't need it? why add possable issues?
[21:34:00] LonEagle_: that too.
[21:34:00] Beirdo: LonEagle_: sounds like you ran mythtv-setup as non-root then
[21:34:00] Jasper: anyone here ever used ivtvctl?
[21:35:00] LonEagle_: Beirdo: that is true.
[21:35:00] drdaz: Jasper: yes a little
[21:35:00] Beirdo: running non-root is the "generally accepted practise"
[21:35:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:36:00] marccd-g: anybody using debian here?
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[21:38:00] eidolon: 'lo folks – congrats on the 0.19 release! i'm running knoppmyth from, gosh, sometime late summer. Ayone know if the 01-23–06 knoppmyth version (R5A30.2) is tracking 0.19? i'm trying to figure out what my upgrade path should be.
[21:38:00] ** kormoc blinks. **
[21:39:00] kormoc: tracking 0.19? is it gonna shoot it and have myth stew? :P
[21:39:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:39:00] Beirdo: we are hunting wabbits!
[21:39:00] eidolon: mmm. release hunting.
[21:39:00] eidolon: heh.
[21:39:00] kahuna_: hassenfeffer
[21:39:00] D-side: better than hunting lawyers.
[21:39:00] len: marccd-g: yes
[21:39:00] eidolon: anyway – tracking as in 'keeping up with 0.19' – or is it just patching against an old 0.18 fork or something....
[21:39:00] marccd-g: len: you using marillats packages?
[21:40:00] len: yep
[21:40:00] Beirdo: D-side: but not as satisfying
[21:40:00] marccd-g: len: does the init script work for you? start doenst even work
[21:40:00] D-side: i just learned an awful lesson about xen and mounting vm's filesystems under the hypervisor while running the vm.
[21:40:00] len: it does, runs backend as mythtv
[21:40:00] D-side: i dont know if that sentence makes sense to anyone, but trust me, its bad.
[21:40:00] len: ahhh, wait
[21:41:00] len: start is broken for some reason (stale pid files). try restart
[21:41:00] marccd-g: len: yeah I have it as mythtv, it runs, it gives me a warning about session management
[21:41:00] marccd-g: start is broken, has this been fixed in .19 ?
[21:41:00] marccd-g: else I'll clean up the script a bit
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[21:42:00] len: marccd-g: not sure about .19 init scripts. too lazy to build packages, waiting for marillat...
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[21:43:00] marccd-g: len: Ill fix it
[21:43:00] ole_schoola: whaddya call 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
[21:44:00] D-side: an old joke.
[21:44:00] marccd-g: sand?
[21:44:00] Z-Morek: a good starrt
[21:44:00] dev-: a good start heh
[21:44:00] marccd-g: I dont get it
[21:44:00] Z-Morek: lawyers suck
[21:44:00] dev-: yeah, shoot em
[21:44:00] dev-: follow by example ;)
[21:44:00] Beirdo: Z-Morek: unless they are protecting YOUR ass of course
[21:44:00] Jasper: hmm
[21:45:00] Z-Morek: of course
[21:45:00] ole_schoola: only doctors and lawyers are allowed to practice for a living, the rest of us have to get it right
[21:45:00] Z-Morek: but that's the joke
[21:45:00] Beirdo: what's the difference between a dead lawyer on the road and a dead skunk on the road?
[21:45:00] dev-: skid smarks in front of the skunk
[21:45:00] scopeuk: skunk smels better?
[21:45:00] dev-: jesus these jokes are old
[21:45:00] dev-: ;p
[21:45:00] Beirdo: yeah, but still oh so timelhy
[21:45:00] scopeuk: good ones though
[21:46:00] ole_schoola: time proven, tho
[21:46:00] Beirdo: of course, I can't type
[21:46:00] Beirdo: it's monday
[21:46:00] Z-Morek: mmm
[21:46:00] eidolon: hi, so, anyone have info on knoppmyth? or are we just recycling bad jokes today?
[21:47:00] Beirdo: no clue on knoppmyth
[21:47:00] ole_schoola: of all the distros, i'd suspect knoppmyth will take the longest to flush out
[21:47:00] Ryushin: You know, it's really amazing the improvements that has come along since .18 to .19. Not just with myth but also with the IVTV, V4L, and the kernel. The developers sure have done a great job.
[21:47:00] eidolon: ole_schoola: how come?
[21:47:00] marccd-g: anyways fixed the script for now len, Debian init scripts are h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e
[21:47:00] eidolon: i'm considering a from-ground- rebuild, just preserving my /mythtv volume
[21:47:00] eidolon: er, /myth volume
[21:47:00] eidolon: i'd probbaly run against debian.
[21:48:00] Ryushin: In fact, setting up a new system with HD is cake now compared to what it was.
[21:48:00] Beirdo: mmm, cake
[21:48:00] ole_schoola: the tight integration/automation of everything in one install
[21:48:00] Ryushin: Yea, with frosting.
[21:48:00] ** eidolon has no HD :( **
[21:48:00] dev-: you need an hd to run myth!
[21:48:00] dev-: it cant run in ram ya know!
[21:48:00] dev-: ;/
[21:48:00] Beirdo: sure it can
[21:49:00] Beirdo: if you got enough :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:49:00] Ryushin: dev-: If I have enough RAM I can.
[21:49:00] marccd-g: yep
[21:49:00] Beirdo: be a waste though
[21:49:00] dev-: even 32gig wouldnt be enough ;)
[21:49:00] ole_schoola: Beirdo: you threw me there, my nick in Viet Cong online is Cake Eater ;)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: dev-: sure it would
[21:49:00] eidolon: ya'll are in a weird mood today :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: you spool over NFS :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: eidolon: it *IS* Monday
[21:49:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:49:00] dev-: tom over at zap2it do anything good today
[21:49:00] dev-: like put shit back to normal
[21:49:00] dev-: heh
[21:50:00] Ryushin: Beirdo: In fact, that would be fantastic. No more being IO bound when having multiple recorders going full tilt. After the recording is over, it would be moved to disk. What a great idea. Hey all, new feature!
[21:51:00] Chutt: Baylink, do you know if mediawiki works with mpm-worker in apache2
[21:51:00] Beirdo: I've only ever been IO bound once that I can remember
[21:51:00] Z-Morek: first I need to get lirc working again which I inadvertently broke on upgrading
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[21:51:00] Beirdo: with 3 PVR250 going full-blast
[21:51:00] marccd-g: I am getting a 350 hopefully
[21:51:00] dev-: yeah i do 2 encoders per box
[21:51:00] Z-Morek: is the 500 any good?
[21:51:00] Ryushin: Between HD-3000, a PVR-350, commercial flagging, and watching HD content, I will IO bound occasionaly.
[21:52:00] Ryushin: The HD-3000 is dumping 3 times the data of a PVR-350. And I eventually want to add a PVR-500 and another HD-3000 card.
[21:53:00] ole_schoola: sweeeeet, my nephew just got sent to military school and he left me his PSP
[21:53:00] Ryushin: MythTV will need to add mutiple storage units before I can pull that off.
[21:53:00] Beirdo: poor bastard
[21:53:00] Beirdo: Ryushin: just run multiple backends
[21:54:00] drdaz: PSP would make a great remote frontend
[21:54:00] ole_schoola: kinda, he could use the lessons in discipline, his parents failed miserably
[21:54:00] Beirdo: so send the parents to military school
[21:54:00] drdaz: lol
[21:54:00] Ryushin: Beirdo: Can the front ends talk to multiple back ends?
[21:54:00] Beirdo: yes, they can
[21:54:00] ole_schoola: the trickle down effect would take too long ;)
[21:54:00] Ryushin: So I can have slave backends?
[21:54:00] Beirdo: it works just fine, that's worked for ages
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[21:55:00] Ryushin: Cool, no more limitations. I have something for that old dual piii-350 to do.
[21:55:00] Beirdo: unless someone very recently borked it, it should work in 0.19 :)
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[21:55:00] Beirdo: it worked in my SVN from like 3 weeks ago
[21:56:00] Ryushin: Now I just need to get more disk.
[21:56:00] Beirdo: disk... the final frontier
[21:56:00] Beirdo: you can always use more disk
[21:56:00] Z-Morek: okay here's my issue
[21:56:00] Beirdo: oh good, I put an s, not a c
[21:57:00] Z-Morek: I was using the atrpms builds, switched over to svn
[21:57:00] drdaz: oO
[21:57:00] Z-Morek: and in the process lost functionality of lirc in myth
[21:57:00] Beirdo: it IS monday after all.
[21:57:00] Z-Morek: irw works and lircd is running
[21:57:00] drdaz: I've often wondered if mistypes like that qualify as Freudian slips
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[21:58:00] Z-Morek: I downloaded and compiled lirc
[21:58:00] Z-Morek: ran config for mythtv again
[21:58:00] Z-Morek: recompiled
[21:58:00] Z-Morek: with lirc support on
[21:58:00] Z-Morek: reinstalled, no use
[21:58:00] Beirdo: no clue, I don't do lirc
[21:58:00] marccd-g: i need money
[21:59:00] drdaz: get a job
[21:59:00] Z-Morek: :-(
[21:59:00] drdaz: :-|
[21:59:00] Z-Morek: :-\
[21:59:00] marccd-g: Z-Morek: welcome to linux
[21:59:00] Z-Morek: heh
[21:59:00] ** Beirdo yawns **
[21:59:00] Z-Morek: I've already been welcomed
[22:00:00] Beirdo: ..|._
[22:00:00] marccd-g: if it works, dont touch it
[22:00:00] Beirdo: that's to my computer
[22:00:00] marccd-g: number one rule
[22:00:00] Ryushin: z-morek: Which version of lirc are you using. I had to use the latest dev version.
[22:00:00] Z-Morek: 0.8.0
[22:00:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: Heck no, if it works, it can be made to work faster. Touch it again.
[22:01:00] Z-Morek: Ryushin: the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" line trumps "if it goes faster touch it"
[22:01:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: warning, side effects might include pain, anger, and hurt computers
[22:01:00] Z-Morek: it seems on half my upgrades something breaks
[22:01:00] Ryushin: z-morek: Well, I guess I'm using .8.0-pre4, so I guess it should work.
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: the troubling thing is that irw works
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: but myth isn't picking it up
[22:02:00] dev-: that should be easy then
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: and I have .lircrc in the correct user home
[22:02:00] dev-: lircrc, where is it, where is myth looking for
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: I think...
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: I probably don't
[22:02:00] Z-Morek: well where should lircrc be?
[22:03:00] Z-Morek: for my primary user I have mythtv
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[22:03:00] Z-Morek: so it's in /home/mythtv/
[22:03:00] marccd-g: irw works as mythtv?
[22:03:00] Z-Morek: I can run /usr/bin/irw
[22:03:00] Z-Morek: and it responds correclty
[22:03:00] ** dev- golf claps **
[22:03:00] dev-: ;p
[22:03:00] marccd-g: ok then its a myth issue
[22:04:00] Z-Morek: yup
[22:04:00] marccd-g: run mythbackbend manually as root
[22:04:00] Ryushin: You should have a .lircrc in /home/mythtv (assuming user of course) and symlink of /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc pointing to /home/mythtv/.lircrc
[22:04:00] marccd-g: with -v
[22:04:00] dev-: mythbackend doesnt have anything to do with the remote
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: there's no link
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: that might be it
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: oooooh
[22:05:00] marccd-g: I dont have a link
[22:05:00] Ryushin: Well, it doesn't have to be.
[22:05:00] dev-: yup, /home/user/.mythtv/lircrc and symlink it to /home/user/.lircrc for your external player
[22:05:00] Ryushin: But it makes your life easier.
[22:05:00] marccd-g: Z-Morek: ooooho?
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: could this be related to ldconfig
[22:05:00] dev-: no.
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: I had an issue earlier with that
[22:05:00] marccd-g: I have a "power" conf in ~/.lircrc and the myth stuff on the myth foilder
[22:05:00] Z-Morek: with some libraries not being picked up
[22:06:00] marccd-g: rerun ldconfig as root
[22:06:00] dev-: why would it be a lirbary problem if irw works fine
[22:06:00] dev-: :P
[22:06:00] kormoc: Ryushin, only if you want the same mapping for every app, right?
[22:06:00] Ryushin: Oh, I'm sorry, I posted earlier regarding the new built in dvd player in myth. But I can't seem to figure out how to access it.
[22:06:00] Kelerion: does the backend use ffmpeg?
[22:06:00] Ryushin: kormoc: You can put in as many apps in the lircrc file as you want.
[22:06:00] Z-Morek: i ran ldconfig
[22:06:00] Z-Morek: should I restart frontend/
[22:06:00] kormoc: Ryushin, it's built into mythdvd
[22:06:00] Z-Morek: or lircd
[22:07:00] kormoc: Ryushin, then why would myth look not in ~/.lirc?
[22:07:00] dev-: you should restart your brain
[22:07:00] Ryushin: kormoc: So should I take out my external player setting?
[22:07:00] dev-: because ldconfig has nothing to do with your problem
[22:07:00] Z-Morek: I'm a noob
[22:07:00] Z-Morek: leave me alone :-(
[22:07:00] kormoc: Ryushin, change it to internal and it should work fine
[22:07:00] dev-: obviously, look at whats been suggested
[22:07:00] dev-: thats most likely your problem
[22:07:00] Z-Morek: what is?
[22:07:00] Ryushin: kormoc: Hmm.. I didn't see that as an option. I'll look again a bit later.
[22:07:00] marccd-g: stfua
[22:08:00] dev-: scroll up and look at the comments about lircrc
[22:08:00] marccd-g: this sucks... computers should just work
[22:08:00] kormoc: Ryushin, same as if you change mythvideo to use the internal player, it plays internally to myth
[22:08:00] Ryushin: kormoc: It seems that mythtv looks in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc.
[22:08:00] marccd-g: why dont you people that have money buy a mac and get over it
[22:08:00] kormoc: marccd-g, realistically, if you want it to just work, get a mac.
[22:08:00] dev-: amen
[22:08:00] marccd-g: that is what I said
[22:08:00] marccd-g: and you have the power of unix
[22:08:00] Z-Morek: which type of link should I make
[22:08:00] marccd-g: ln -s Z-Morek
[22:09:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: Because it's closed, and jobs won't open the os to run on intel hardware.
[22:09:00] dev-: you dont even have to link
[22:09:00] dev-: just copy it
[22:09:00] dev-: heh
[22:09:00] kormoc: Ryushin, that's right, but I was wondering why it wouldn't look in the standard way if you can define many apps into one file.
[22:09:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: thats because mac users are elitists they dont like crappy clones
[22:09:00] kormoc: Ryushin, other then it runs on intel hardware?
[22:09:00] kormoc: Z-Morek, symbolic link
[22:09:00] Ryushin: kormoc: With their "special" bios it will.
[22:09:00] marccd-g: who cares if its closed, mac os x is open enough, open source is basically good for "stealing" code
[22:09:00] marccd-g: i.e see gaim.sf.net > www.imblaze.com
[22:09:00] drdaz: oO
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[22:10:00] Jasper: weee
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: heh
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: there's already a link
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: :-\
[22:10:00] kormoc: Ryushin, that doesn't change that it does run on intel hardware :P
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: oops
[22:10:00] Jasper: anyone got a clue how I can remove black bars on the side on my tv ?
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: I misread ls
[22:10:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: Hey, I was a huge fan of openstep, until jobs when back to apple, killed the clones, closed the os. He's a control freak.
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: wait
[22:10:00] Z-Morek: the lircrc already exists as not a link
[22:10:00] kormoc: the clones were putting them out of buisness
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[22:10:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: he is a genius, but whatever if you are a masochists, keep editing conf files and battling untraceable errors
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[22:11:00] marccd-g: the only thing masochisty about os x is Cocoa's API
[22:11:00] dev-: untraceable errors, lol
[22:11:00] Ryushin: kormoc: yea, all 1% of the share that they sold.
[22:11:00] dev-: they're untraceable if you're a tool
[22:11:00] marccd-g: "untraceable"
[22:11:00] Z-Morek: okay so lirc will remain broken
[22:11:00] dev-: and/or dont know how to read
[22:11:00] Z-Morek: because I gotta go
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[22:11:00] Z-Morek: thanks for the help
[22:11:00] Z-Morek: I'll be back later for more :-P
[22:11:00] dev-: people who pretend to be unix people useing osx, dont like to read, they want point and clicky
[22:12:00] dev-: but if you open up a console and look at it, its conf files too
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[22:12:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: It's all traceable. Unix logs great. In fact, I thinking that I would like OSX until I saw what he did to the nix file system layout. He's off the deep end again, and his followers are happy to join him.
[22:12:00] marccd-g: of coursse
[22:12:00] dev-: i guess he thinks he's a unix haxor because he can doubleclick the safari icon
[22:12:00] marccd-g: mac users and jobs are in a love relationship
[22:13:00] marccd-g: linux users are in an abusive relationship with linus
[22:13:00] dev-: bzzt, incorrect
[22:13:00] marccd-g: not the kernel itself, the whole "linux" package
[22:13:00] dev-: there is no such thing as a "linux package"
[22:13:00] marccd-g: as in, more than the GNU tools
[22:13:00] Ryushin: If you can't do it from the command line, you don't know how to control your OS. There just has to be a comfortable gui for the neophytes. OSX, Windows, all the same now.
[22:13:00] marccd-g: linux package = entire distros
[22:13:00] dev-: of which there are many
[22:13:00] marccd-g: most are clones, that suck
[22:13:00] drdaz: sry but OSX != windows
[22:13:00] marccd-g: anyways
[22:13:00] marccd-g: no wars
[22:14:00] dev-: a distro is not a clone of anything
[22:14:00] marccd-g: "redhat" based, "debian" based
[22:14:00] marccd-g: come on, you are angry because you dont have money to buy a mac as I am, deego
[22:14:00] marccd-g: dev-, fscking tab completion
[22:14:00] marccd-g: fscking idlers
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[22:14:00] dev-: lol you have no idea what my financial situation is :)
[22:15:00] ** kormoc sighs. **
[22:15:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: Oh, I can afford to buy a Mac, thats not the problem. The problem is that it's closed.
[22:15:00] marccd-g: I am sure you all have hidden accounts in Switzerland, the Caymans, or other Finacial paradises
[22:15:00] kormoc: can we get back on topic?
[22:15:00] drdaz: no!
[22:15:00] drdaz: :p
[22:15:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: go smoke some pot with stallman</sarcasm>
[22:15:00] Ryushin: kormoc: Okay, okay.
[22:15:00] drdaz: how is the mac being closed a problem out of interest?
[22:16:00] dev-: i think the problem is marccd-g doesnt know shit
[22:16:00] dev-: *shrug* :)
[22:16:00] marccd-g: who is shit?
[22:16:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: I'd have to smoke a lot of weed to get anywhere close to stallman.
[22:16:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: I have a picture with him
[22:17:00] marccd-g: http://lanux.org.ar/galeria/subalbum_3.html
[22:17:00] ole_schoola: marccd-g: BFD, if he could see your comments now he'd take the pic back
[22:17:00] marccd-g: ole_schoola: oh, you are another idler.. go back to your cave
[22:17:00] marccd-g: now you jump in
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[22:17:00] drdaz: marccd-g = teh b0ss
[22:18:00] dev-: too funny, how the people that know the least argue the loudest
[22:18:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: Actually, I'd rather hang with rasterman than stallman.
[22:18:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: raster who?
[22:18:00] ole_schoola: marccd-g just made my ignore list
[22:18:00] marccd-g: ole_schoola: the cave is calling
[22:18:00] drdaz: marrcd-g: your mum is calling... dinner's ready
[22:18:00] Beirdo: home time
[22:19:00] ** drdaz runs and hides **
[22:19:00] Ryushin: marccd-g: enlightenment.
[22:19:00] marccd-g: Ryushin: e17 will never be done
[22:19:00] Ryushin: Using it day in day out.
[22:19:00] Ryushin: Better than OSX. (in my eyes)
[22:19:00] kormoc: marccd-g, for calling people idlers, I don't really see you much in the channel...
[22:20:00] marccd-g: kormoc: and?
[22:20:00] marccd-g: I dont idle
[22:20:00] Ryushin: Anyway, is anyway using chromakey successfully yet?
[22:21:00] kormoc: marccd-g, so if someone is in the channel, listening in and not jumping in on everything, they are worthless in your view?
[22:21:00] Ryushin: It looks perfect for HD broadcasts, but corrupts the screen at ntsc resolutions.
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[22:21:00] marccd-g: kormoc: indeed, most everybody here is idling, not listeing, anyways Ive never said worthless
[22:21:00] marccd-g: people jump in, out, anyways, i've had fun
[22:22:00] dev-: good bye :)
[22:22:00] Jasper: damn
[22:22:00] Jasper: I can't get the black bars removed :(
[22:22:00] drdaz: damn...what are you talking about?
[22:22:00] marccd-g: Jasper: you are in jail?
[22:22:00] Jasper: drdaz black bars on tv
[22:22:00] Jasper: :P
[22:22:00] Jasper: all around like 2 cm
[22:22:00] ole_schoola: Jasper: i hear salsa and DC current work well
[22:23:00] Jasper: yeah I heard so to on mythbusters..
[22:23:00] Ryushin: jasper: Are you using a HD TV?
[22:23:00] drdaz: Jasper: overscan perhaps?
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[22:23:00] dev-: marccd-g: if you dont like editing config files and traceing errors, why are you here. shouldnt you be useing windows media center
[22:23:00] dev-: i hear thats just install and 'it works'
[22:23:00] Jasper: yeah I want to overscan...but apparently geforce2 can't overscan..
[22:24:00] drdaz: ahh
[22:24:00] dev-: damn that sucks
[22:24:00] mchou: geforce2??
[22:24:00] drdaz: there's an app that can do it
[22:24:00] drdaz: dont recall the name tho
[22:24:00] Jasper: yes geforce2..
[22:24:00] jams: you heard wrong
[22:24:00] Jasper: nvtv
[22:24:00] mchou: still ppl using geforce2?
[22:24:00] Jasper: omg...that's just lame
[22:24:00] Jasper: :P
[22:24:00] ole_schoola: Jasper: widescreen HDTV display?
[22:24:00] Jasper: no
[22:24:00] Jasper: normal tv
[22:24:00] ole_schoola: hmmmmm
[22:25:00] dev-: mchou: sure why not, they're fine for playing video fullscreen ;p
[22:25:00] Ryushin: jasper: Does your WM fit your whole screen?
[22:25:00] Jasper: according to the driver geforce2 doesn't support overscan
[22:25:00] Jasper: no
[22:25:00] Ryushin: Have you tried working with your mode line?
[22:25:00] ole_schoola: xorg.conf is your friend, errrr
[22:25:00] mchou: I cant even find geforce2 now at surplus
[22:26:00] Jasper: no Ryushin
[22:26:00] mchou: the surplus stores dont want them :)
[22:26:00] ole_schoola: sounds like a modeline issue
[22:26:00] dev-: heh im sure noone goes out and buys gf2's these days, but plenty of people have them laying around
[22:26:00] Jasper: will that do any good Ryushin ?
[22:26:00] ole_schoola: my mx440 in my frontend works fine thankyou, HD too
[22:26:00] Ryushin: I would think that should be the first place you should try.
[22:26:00] dev-: i used a gf2 for a while on my first myth box, but worked fine, but didnt need to overscan.. didnt know it couldnt.. that sucks
[22:26:00] Ryushin: Are you using x.org or xfree86?
[22:26:00] Jasper: it's just my old pc I'm setting up or mythtv
[22:26:00] drdaz: gf2 != mx440
[22:26:00] Jasper: x.org
[22:26:00] dev-: mx440 is gf4 ;p
[22:27:00] drdaz: very similar, but not quite the same spiel
[22:27:00] ole_schoola: drdaz, whoops, you're right
[22:27:00] Ryushin: Oh, so you're using a monitor then.
[22:27:00] drdaz: :)
[22:27:00] drdaz: I fixed that alsa problem I think btw
[22:27:00] Ryushin: So you would want a progressive display mode line.
[22:27:00] mchou: gf2 cant do anything right. No overscan. No xvmc
[22:27:00] drdaz: seems I needed to reinstall the devel packages and now xine compiles again
[22:27:00] Jasper: no ryushin I'm only wathcing tv
[22:27:00] mchou: basically only good for displaying console text
[22:27:00] Jasper: so I want a interlaced
[22:27:00] Jasper: :P
[22:28:00] ole_schoola: drdaz: how so?
[22:28:00] Ryushin: Are you outputing to a pc monitor, or to a television set?
[22:28:00] Jasper: television
[22:28:00] drdaz: oO how so what?
[22:28:00] ole_schoola: alsa fix
[22:28:00] Ryushin: K, hold one, let me get you a mode line.
[22:28:00] Jasper: I use 800x600 at the moment
[22:29:00] Ryushin: Are you in the US?
[22:29:00] drdaz: oh... for some reason when I tried to build the newer versions yesterday it buggered the alsa-lib-devel package
[22:29:00] ole_schoola: that'll do it
[22:29:00] Jasper: no Ryushin
[22:29:00] Ryushin: PAL?
[22:29:00] drdaz: I reinstalled them from rpm and now.. no errors
[22:30:00] Jasper: yes pal b
[22:30:00] ole_schoola: which kernel?
[22:30:00] ole_schoola: -1830 or -1831?
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[22:30:00] drdaz: well both... its just the xine build errors I've got rid of
[22:30:00] ole_schoola: check
[22:30:00] drdaz: the bad page errors are likely still there
[22:30:00] ole_schoola: kernel?
[22:30:00] Ryushin: Sorry, I have about 100 modelines, but nothing for PAL. Afraid you're going to have to google to get the correct modeline.
[22:31:00] drdaz: I'm running .14(something) now
[22:31:00] drdaz: last one posted as rpm
[22:31:00] Jasper: what does a modeline exactly do?
[22:31:00] ole_schoola: page error shouldn't be there, lemme know if it is
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[22:31:00] drdaz: its not in .14
[22:31:00] drdaz: thats why I'm using that :)
[22:31:00] ole_schoola: i only get it with .15–1830 so fAR
[22:31:00] Ryushin: It tells your video card what signal to output.
[22:31:00] drdaz: hmm
[22:31:00] drdaz: I got it in 1831 too
[22:31:00] drdaz: here's the kicker tho
[22:31:00] ole_schoola: i'll let you know if it goes away with -1831
[22:32:00] ole_schoola: doh
[22:32:00] drdaz: u got cpu throttling?
[22:32:00] ole_schoola: haven't looked into it yet (you mean athcool, right?)
[22:32:00] drdaz: only time the error came up for me was when cpu speed changed from when xine / mplayer started playing to when it finished
[22:33:00] drdaz: yeah well something that adjusts cpu clock
[22:33:00] ole_schoola: how about when you try aplay?
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[22:33:00] ole_schoola: aplay kicks it every time for me
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[22:33:00] drdaz: aplay?
[22:33:00] drdaz: hmm
[22:33:00] drdaz: havent tried :)
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[22:33:00] ole_schoola: that's why i began to suspect alsa, you simply helped confirm my suspicion
[22:34:00] drdaz: its definitely an alsa issue
[22:34:00] ole_schoola: roger that
[22:34:00] drdaz: its confirmed several places
[22:34:00] drdaz: there is a patch
[22:34:00] Jasper: hmm have to figure those modelines Ryushin
[22:34:00] drdaz: thats what led me to screw everything up yesterday :)
[22:34:00] ole_schoola: i was SOOOO tempted to do what you did
[22:35:00] ole_schoola: then i decided to just leave it alone :P
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[22:35:00] drdaz: heh
[22:35:00] Ryushin: jasper: There should be a bunch of modelines available on the net. Heck, there are a probably a bunch in the myth mailing list archives.
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[22:36:00] ole_schoola: just lost 1.5 hours of work on an autocad layer
[22:36:00] Jasper: but Ryushin do I also need to know refresh rates and stuff then?
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[22:36:00] drdaz: there's a command that generates modelines for u..
[22:36:00] drdaz: whats that called again?
[22:36:00] ole_schoola: fscking autocad bug
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[22:36:00] Ryushin: jasper: yea, but those are going to be easy. You want to output a pure pal signal at 25 frames/second.
[22:36:00] Jasper: my television supports PAL, PAL+, SECAM and NTSC 3.58/4.43
[22:36:00] drdaz: worked like a charm when I needed one..
[22:37:00] Ryushin: If you record pal, you'll want to output pal.
[22:37:00] Jasper: yeah
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[22:39:00] atomjack: i need some lirc help. I'm trying to get it to work with my Actisys ACT-IR200L. I've installed it and the kernel module via apt (axel's rpm's) but when I try to run /usr/bin/irw I'm getting an error that it can't find /dev/lirc – /dev/lircd exists but that's it.
[22:39:00] drdaz: lol its bugging me now.. does anybody know the name of that command?
[22:40:00] Jasper: hm Ryushin does this look ok modeline "pal" 5.0 278 280 310 320 598 602 618 626 -hsync -vsync -interlaced
[22:40:00] Ryushin: Yea, that looks good.
[22:40:00] drdaz: aha!
[22:40:00] drdaz: gtf
[22:40:00] drdaz: thats the fella
[22:41:00] drdaz: usage: gtf x y refresh [-v|--verbose] [-f|--fbmode] [-x|--xorgmode]
[22:41:00] Ryushin: jasper: under your screen section, under modes, you'll want to type in "pal".
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[22:42:00] Jasper: so where do I put the modeline?
[22:42:00] Ryushin: jasper: under your screen section, under modes, you'll want to type in "pal".
[22:43:00] Ryushin: Under your monitor section the modline goes there.
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[22:44:00] Pitchin_uk: juski are you in??
[22:44:00] Ryushin: If X comes up, you can double check it's correct by running xvidtune.
[22:45:00] Jasper: k
[22:45:00] Jasper: hmm
[22:45:00] Jasper: I get an error about -interlaced
[22:46:00] Pitchin_uk: Hi guys – i get – Can't connect to the database server through mythweb – what am I missing??
[22:47:00] Ryushin: Hmmm....
[22:47:00] Jasper: hmm Ryushin I added the lines and nothing changed..
[22:47:00] Jasper: :(
[22:47:00] Jasper: still black bars
[22:47:00] Chutt: zap2it's back to 13 days of data.
[22:48:00] Ryushin: Did you take out the interlaced part?
[22:48:00] Jasper: no it just was Interlace
[22:48:00] Jasper: instead of -interlaced
[22:48:00] dtm: Chutt: did they say what changes they made?
[22:49:00] Ryushin: Well, I think your card is done for then. I see a fanless GeForce 5200 in your future.
[22:49:00] drdaz: I just bought one of those :)
[22:49:00] Chutt: none for now
[22:49:00] Ryushin: They are cheap but great for a myth box.
[22:49:00] drdaz: a decent card for this purpose
[22:49:00] Chutt: looks like they're just trying to lessen the amount of bitching
[22:49:00] drdaz: exactly
[22:50:00] dtm: heh.
[22:50:00] Jasper: welll Ryushin I can use nvtv to remove the borders..
[22:50:00] Jasper: so it's still weird
[22:50:00] dtm: Chutt: i dont comprehend what anyone would have to bitch about.
[22:50:00] Pitchin_uk: any mythweb users in here
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[22:50:00] Ryushin: Just wish the VIA unichromepro was available in a card.
[22:50:00] dtm: Chutt: other than that a cosmetic and almost totally invisible detail of life didn't happen the way some nerds expected it to happen
[22:50:00] drdaz: TV out is a massive improvement over my mx4 class board... onboard in my previous AOpen barebones system
[22:50:00] dtm: Chutt: am i missing some problem?
[22:51:00] Ryushin: jasper: Okay, which driver are you using then?
[22:51:00] Jasper: nvidia
[22:51:00] Jasper: :P
[22:51:00] Ryushin: Which version?
[22:51:00] Jasper: 7174
[22:52:00] Ryushin: You might want to try 7676.
[22:52:00] Chutt: dtm, not that i can tell, no
[22:52:00] Jasper: Ryushin I thought geforce2 went to the legacy drivers
[22:52:00] Jasper: :P
[22:53:00] Jasper: it's no longer supported in the driver packages
[22:53:00] Ryushin: Oh, can I "theoriticaly" talk about hdcp here, or should I take that somewhere else?
[22:54:00] Ryushin: Jasper: don't know what to say then. I think a new card might be in your future. Or a LOT of googling.
[22:54:00] Jasper: well Ryushin I have another idea I can use nvtv ...
[22:55:00] Jasper: but I don't know how to start tv-out at start of x then
[22:55:00] Jasper: like auto-put it on
[22:55:00] Ryushin: What capture care are you going to use?
[22:56:00] Jasper: ?
[22:56:00] Jasper: what do you mean?
[22:56:00] Ryushin: A pvr-350 has a decoder in it and you can output directly with that.
[22:56:00] Jasper: I got a 500
[22:56:00] Ryushin: TV capture card.
[22:56:00] Ryushin: I don't think the 500 has a decoder on it. So I think you're back in the same boat.
[22:57:00] atomjack: does anyone use an ACT-IR200L (IR receiver/sender)
[22:57:00] atomjack: ?
[22:57:00] Pitchin_uk: what needs to go in the conf.php
[22:57:00] Jasper: well Ryushin I got the black bars removed now..with nvtv
[22:57:00] Jasper: but how can I start tvout automatiical with nvtv
[22:58:00] Ryushin: Got me there. I've never done that.
[22:59:00] Ryushin: pitchin_uk: I'm using mythweb. conf.php should be pretty self explanitory.
[23:00:00] Ryushin: pitchin_uk: In fact, I don't think you have to change much in conf.php. .htaccess will need some changes though.
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[23:02:00] briand: I had previously installed mythtv 0.18.1 via ATrpms (myth-suite) ... but now I'm anxious to get 0.19 running here... and I need (apparently) qt3 binaries and libraries... what's the apt-get line to download/install them?
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[23:03:00] Ryushin: briand: Have you tried apt-get build-dep mythtv? Works in debian.
[23:03:00] Chutt: the 0.19 rpms are in the testing section at atrpms
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: Failed to load module tveeprom
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0 warning: i2c client addr: 0x50 not found for command 0x0!
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0: Error -19 reading Hauppauge eeprom.
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0: Possible causes: the tveeprom module was not loaded, or
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0: the eeprom kernel module was loaded before the tveeprom module.
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: ivtv0: Failed to load module tuner
[23:04:00] Chutt: so you could try enabling it there and just using apt-get :p
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: what could the reason for this be?
[23:04:00] dagfinnr: sorry for pasting
[23:04:00] briand: chutt: i don't mind compiling it... just need to get the necessary stuff on the machine to do so.. :)
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[23:06:00] briand: Ryushin: I get: > E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
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[23:06:00] Pitchin_uk: what about the bit where it mentions domain
[23:06:00] briand: let me ask this a different way. What's the name of the package for qt3 binaries and libraries?
[23:07:00] Pitchin_uk: under defining host/db/user etc.
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[23:10:00] Ryushin: briand: Sorry, I don't use a rpm based distro. But you might want to try apt-cache search qt3
[23:11:00] Jasper: anyone here using nvtv?
[23:12:00] drdaz: I know this isnt directly related to myth.. but can anybody think of a reason why my system would be dropping frames in HD mpeg2 playback @ normal PAL res? I'm running a 2GHz socket 939 sempron with an FX5200 using XxMC acceleration in xine...
[23:12:00] drdaz: there's just no way a machine of this calibre should drop any frames... ever!
[23:12:00] drdaz: heh
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[23:12:00] thelogin: hello
[23:13:00] briand: Ryushin: okay.. thanks. Does this look like what I need? "qt-devel – Development files and documentation for the Qt GUI toolkit."
[23:14:00] PeterA: I am running mythtv 0.19 and can't get teletext subtitles going. Does anyone know of any good howto or can hint me of the required settings to get up and running?
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[23:14:00] Ryushin: If you want to compile it, yes. It will probably install the dependencies for qt3 as well.
[23:14:00] briand: Ryushin: ..or just this? "qt – The shared library for the Qt GUI toolkit."
[23:14:00] Ryushin: Question, isn't apt supposed to fix the dependency problems for rpm?
[23:14:00] Ryushin: briand: That is probably already installed.
[23:14:00] Ryushin: But yea, that is what you need.
[23:14:00] briand: slocate qt3 found nothing.
[23:15:00] briand: and i don't have a QTDIR environment variable, nor is there anything on the PATH for qt
[23:15:00] Ryushin: Are you compiling svn or install new rpms?
[23:16:00] briand: svn, technically... the new 0.19 release, specifically
[23:16:00] Ryushin: Okay, I use svn as well. Does apt for rpm support apt-get build-dep?
[23:17:00] briand: and, i figure i may want/need to compile later revisions (pre- 0.20 release), so i figured what the heck...
[23:17:00] Ryushin: My thoughts too.
[23:17:00] briand: i have no idea, really.
[23:18:00] dagfinnr: do i have to install the tveeprom module for ivtv separately? or is it included in the ivtv package ?
[23:18:00] briand: dagfinnr: it is included in the ivtv package. which ivtv are you installing?
[23:18:00] Ryushin: briand: Are you just starting a fresh install, or is this an upgrade of .18?
[23:19:00] briand: Ryushin: i'm upgrading my current 0.18.1 machine
[23:19:00] Arkkis: after upgrading to mythweb 0.19, I have not been able to get it working, it says that database password is wrong, but I think it's not as I can login with the password and mythtv works
[23:19:00] Arkkis: who's up to the challenge?
[23:19:00] Ryushin: Okay. There are some nightly svn rpm sbuilt for you already.
[23:19:00] Jasper: omg am going crazy here
[23:19:00] briand: Arkkis: did you run setup and make sure myth knows what your userid and password is for myth?
[23:20:00] Ryushin: arkkis: <crickets chirping>....
[23:20:00] Arkkis: briand, the problem is in mythweb I think, should I run mythsetup just get mythweb working?
[23:20:00] dagfinnr: briand, ive just used the one yum wants to install, but i get the error that it could not find the tveeprom module in the boot (dmesg | grep ivtv)
[23:21:00] dagfinnr: yum update made me install a new kernel, so this could be the reason
[23:21:00] dagfinnr: but now im gonna go to bed
[23:21:00] briand: Arkkis: mythweb reads configuration information from the database as well. Plus, the upgrade README specifically says to 1) back up your database beforehand (just in case) and 2) run mythtv-setup BEFORE restarting mythbackend or mythfrontend
[23:22:00] Arkkis: briand, but ofcourse I just ran the install from gentoo portage without reading any readme's =)
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[23:22:00] briand: Arkkis: so, again, I ask... did you run mythtv-setup before trying to access mythweb?
[23:22:00] ** Arkkis is ashamed to say: no, I did not, sorry **
[23:22:00] briand: ah. well, try that... and take careful note that it knows what your mysql userid and password should be...
[23:22:00] Arkkis: ok, thanks
[23:23:00] briand: np.  :)
[23:24:00] briand: Ryushin: well.. I wasn't aware of the nightly svn rpms... and that's handy info... but I still won't be able to compile locally (without the qt libs) if i need to apply a patch or <gasp!> actually want to do some programming/fixes...
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[23:25:00] Ryushin: briand: What does apt-get build-deps mythtv do ?
[23:26:00] briand: Ryushin: I get: > E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[23:26:00] Ryushin: briand: Right. sorry.
[23:26:00] Ryushin: Are you run FC?
[23:26:00] briand: yes, FC3
[23:28:00] briand: so, you think I already have qt, but should pick up (via apt-get) qt-devel ?
[23:28:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody have any idea what would cause it to where everything with mythweb would work properly but status?
[23:29:00] Ryushin: Well, I could always say you need to switch to Debian, but I won't.  :) If you look at your current sources, you can "probably" just copy the source line, and change the beginning of the line from rpm to rpm-src
[23:29:00] SlicerDicer-: mythtv 0.18.1 btw with the mythweb
[23:29:00] Ryushin: If all the sources are there, apt should find all the dependencies.
[23:29:00] Chutt: neat
[23:30:00] Chutt: universal-hd
[23:30:00] Chutt: wonder if it'll stay longer than the olympics
[23:30:00] briand: Ryushin: wouldn't i have ad to install the 0.19 files via apt for apt to even know anything about it?
[23:30:00] briand: s/ad/had/g
[23:30:00] SlicerDicer-: it keeps just giving me a option to download status.php it will not display the page its very frustrating if anybody knows what would be causing that I would be very grateful if you could help me fix it like I said mythweb displays everything properly but status.php on 0.18.1
[23:30:00] Ryushin: Well, if you have the apt-source for 18, it should still know the deps that you will need.
[23:30:00] Ryushin: Putting in the .19 source would be a smart move though.
[23:31:00] Arkkis: briand, running mythtv-setup did not help, the mythweb still talks about database setup error, mythtv works almost fine otherwise (if you do not count being unable to enter cutlist-editing mode at all)
[23:31:00] briand: Ryushin: i don't have the source for .18 .. it was installed via ATrpms, per the Fedora Myth(TV)ology tutorial... I'm trying to migrate to 0.19 and get the source installed (for future minor tweaks, etc) at the same time.
[23:32:00] Arkkis: I closed mythbackend and frontends, ran mythtv-setup, went trough all it's options, and then restarted mythbackend and tried mythweb
[23:32:00] Arkkis: no help
[23:32:00] Arkkis: :/
[23:32:00] briand: Arkkis: which mythweb? which mythtv ?
[23:33:00] Arkkis: 0.18, from gentoo portage
[23:33:00] Arkkis: doh
[23:33:00] Arkkis: 0.19
[23:33:00] briand: ;)
[23:33:00] Arkkis: I always typo that number
[23:33:00] xpis: Arkkis: check that you have Allow-Override set to all for the proper directory.
[23:33:00] briand: need the new mythweb to go with the new mythtv.. are they both 0.19 ?
[23:33:00] xpis: Arkkis: (in httpd.conf)
[23:34:00] briand: xpis: yes, that too. :)
[23:34:00] Ryushin: briand: Well, apt should take care of it all for you. I would think, put the .19 rpm source in there, along with the appropriate lines for FC3, and then just do a apt-get install mythtv. That make sure you have all the runtime stuff you need. Then do a apt-get build-dep mythtv. It should gather all the packages you need. At least, this is what debian does.
[23:36:00] xpis: briand: it may be easier for you just to use the tarballs than to set up apt.
[23:36:00] briand: Ryushin: it's running the `apt-get install qt-devel` right now.. yielded: "6 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 removed and 211 not upgraded.
[23:36:00] briand: Need to get 47.4MB of archives.
[23:36:00] briand: "
[23:36:00] briand: ...so, it's installing them.
[23:36:00] briand: xpis: apt is set up (or was, as far as getting myth-suite way back when...)
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[23:37:00] xpis: briand: You can use apt to update packages such as qt.. but for actually compiling mythtv and lame, I would suggest just using the tarball. That way, it is easy to recompile new versions. Or, if you want to use a development version, it will be much simpler.
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[23:38:00] briand: xpis: when you say "the tarball" do you mean the tarball for mythtv, for lame, or for qt ??
[23:38:00] xpis: briand: this may be useful if new features are added in the next year that you want before the release.
[23:39:00] xpis: briand: the tarball for mythtv and the tarball for lame.
[23:39:00] Arkkis: xpis, I went trough the httpd.conf, but could not find a spesific command to AllowOverride the mythweb directory, is there documentation of this for mythweb?
[23:39:00] briand: xpis: okay, well since the apt-get of qt-devel failed because it couldn't find several of the libraries... i'll try it your way.
[23:39:00] xris: Arkkis: it's in the readme
[23:40:00] Arkkis: if only I could find that readme =)
[23:40:00] xris: Arkkis: most httpd.conf for that kind of thing keeps one <directory> for / and another for /var/www/htdocs or something like that.
[23:40:00] xris: I usually make the second one /var/www and put the appropriate allowoverride in there.
[23:40:00] briand: xpis: but, i've read in several places that if I dont have qt3 libraries and binaries, plus have it on the path, and have a QTDIR specified (which I would suppose points to that stuff), then the compile for mythtv will fail.
[23:40:00] xris: leave the one for / that disables everything disabled. it's a security precaution
[23:41:00] xris: briand: much of that was fixed before .19 came out
[23:41:00] xpis: briand: yes, you need a proper QT setup for the build to work.
[23:41:00] xris: but you do need qt installed
[23:41:00] briand: xpis: okay. how, then, do I create a proper QT setup?
[23:41:00] pac1: any particular version of qt?
[23:42:00] xpis: briand: just install the qt-devel package
[23:42:00] D-side: wonder why this is failing on gl
[23:42:00] xris: pac1: fc4 comes with 3.3.x.. so something around that is good.
[23:42:00] briand: xpis: it fails. "E: Unable to fetch some archives"
[23:43:00] xpis: briand: well, I don't use apt, so I can't help with apt errors
[23:43:00] xpis: briand: Fedora uses yum by default, so try that.
[23:43:00] briand: yum install qt-devel  ?
[23:43:00] xris: yup
[23:44:00] briand: well, that was a quick error.
[23:44:00] briand: I'm pretty sure I installed via apt-get on this machine originally (other machines here, I've used yum)
[23:45:00] briand: the yum attempt yields:
[23:45:00] briand: [root@mythtv mythtv]# yum install qt-devel
[23:45:00] briand: Setting up Install Process
[23:45:00] briand: Setting up Repos
[23:45:00] briand: http://apt.atrpms.net/fedora/3/en/%24basesear . . . /repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[23:45:00] briand: Trying other mirror.
[23:45:00] briand: Cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: at-stable
[23:45:00] briand: failure: repodata/repomd.xml from at-stable: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
[23:45:00] briand: [root@mythtv mythtv]#
[23:46:00] Jasper: anyone here using nvtv?
[23:46:00] briand: apt-get goes much further than that... but doesn't find all the stuff it thinks it needs, and errors out saying there's missing libraries.
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[23:47:00] briand: i've got the original CD's i installed FC3 with... wouldn't it be on there?
[23:47:00] xpis: briand: try it again
[23:47:00] Arkkis: nope, can not get mytweb working, I'm trying to find the readme file now
[23:47:00] xpis: briand: it could have failed to connect
[23:48:00] briand: xpis: same error. FC3 comes with QT devel tools, right?
[23:48:00] briand: xpis: i have the CDs for FC3
[23:49:00] briand: xpis: can i just install what i need from there?
[23:49:00] Jasper: Ryushin I got it too work
[23:49:00] Jasper: :P
[23:50:00] xpis: briand: yes, it should
[23:51:00] xpis: briand: your yum repository settings may not be right.
[23:51:00] briand: xpis: quite possibly so.. as i did not use (therefore not set up) yum before on this machine.
[23:52:00] briand: and by "this machine" i, of course, mean "that machine" ie: the one with mythtv on it
[23:52:00] briand: "this machine" (the one I'm on right now) has yum working.
[23:53:00] briand: lemme just drag a monitor into the living room and run the FC3 install cd... this is already 2 hours, and I haven't even started compiling yet. I was hoping to have the upgrade done before my 9pm scheduled recording was going to start.
[23:54:00] xpis: hm.. try deleting atrpms from your yum repos.d
[23:54:00] xpis: that was causing the error.
[23:55:00] xpis: it should be something like /etc/yum/repos.d
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[23:56:00] briand: i dont have an /etc/yum/repos.d, nor an /etc/repos.d, nor a directory called /etc/yum
[23:56:00] xpis: try cd /etc/yum; find | grep yum
[23:56:00] xpis: er.. cd /etc
[23:58:00] briand: okay. i have a yum.conf in the /etc directory. the /etc/yum.repos.d directory is empty.
[23:58:00] xpis: ok, then repositories are probably in yum.conf
[23:59:00] xpis: edit it, and take out atrpms
[23:59:00] briand: in the yum.conf file, there is one and only one repository. [at-stable]
[23:59:00] xpis: ok, add base and updates-released
[23:59:00] xpis: (for FC3)
[23:59:00] briand: i don't have any of the attendant information to do that.

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