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Saturday, February 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Juski: everybody wants paid!
[00:00:00] jerky_2: i'm sure
[00:00:00] Juski: information you want = money
[00:00:00] jerky_2: then the status quo will have to do
[00:00:00] xris: ok, that's lame. the instant you accept ONE credit card payment from paypal, they start taking $0.30+2.9% out of every transaction
[00:00:00] ole_schoola: in a past life i worked as field engineer for a traffic and billing software company, it was a dark and evil time for me
[00:00:00] chuckyp: Juski, here's what i'm getting 2006-02–10 07:47:12.475 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.504 Unknown video codec
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.508 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.511 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.516 Assuming RTjpeg for now.
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.519 NVR: Error, unknown audio codec
[00:00:00] chuckyp: 2006-02–10 07:47:12.541 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling b$
[00:00:00] chuckyp: VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument
[00:01:00] Juski: pastebin
[00:01:00] xris: chuckyp: /topic
[00:01:00] ** ole_schoola smacls chuckyp with a smelly fish **
[00:01:00] Juski: chuckyp: could be missing some libraries maybe
[00:01:00] chuckyp: What'd I do?
[00:01:00] ubahivn: juski this VLC looks just like a player
[00:01:00] Chutt: chuckyp, you set the card up wrong in mythtv-setup.
[00:01:00] xris: Beirdo: beirdobot will need an auto-kick for flooding.
[00:01:00] ubahivn: I need to transcode to DVD format
[00:01:00] chuckyp: It was working and just stopped all of the sudden
[00:02:00] chuckyp: mythtv-setup appears to have the right settings
[00:02:00] ole_schoola: chuckyp: bad manners, that's called "flooding" — read an IRC FAQ
[00:02:00] chuckyp: oh I'm sorry
[00:02:00] Juski: I've now officially lost count of the number of PVR card users who've had their setup set to the wrong card type
[00:02:00] Chutt: it does not have the right settings if you're getting that output.
[00:02:00] Juski: either that or the database is borked
[00:02:00] Juski: badly
[00:03:00] chuckyp: Okay I'll fiddle around with the settings, I know the drivers are being loaded properly.
[00:03:00] ole_schoola: xris: Paypal gets charged that from the credit card companies, not their fault
[00:03:00] chuckyp: Worst case if that doesn't fix it I'll just blow out the db and recreate it.
[00:03:00] ubahivn: ok mayby I am not explaining my position properly
[00:04:00] xris: ole_schoola: 2% is high for a credit card company.... 1% is standard. 2.9% *plus* $0.30 is paypal making money
[00:04:00] Juski: ubahivn: you explained it perfectly well.. your recordings are in MPEG2 format
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[00:04:00] Juski: not nuppelvideo
[00:04:00] xris: ole_schoola: and it's not just on credit card transactions... it's on all transactions.
[00:04:00] Juski: xris: ebay & paypal are now a licence to print money
[00:04:00] ubahivn: I understand what you are saying
[00:04:00] ole_schoola: really? little fish credit card vendors get charged about 3%
[00:05:00] Juski: paypal is no little fish though
[00:05:00] xris: Juski: no kidding. well, at least I sold that MS remote keyboard... and now I have an MCE remote all to myself to use with myth
[00:05:00] Juski: the words 'cash' and 'cow' spring to mind
[00:05:00] ole_schoola: my brother owns a company and does very little credit card volume, that's the rate he gets hit with
[00:05:00] ubahivn: but that dosnt help becouse anytranscoder I try to use fails, and the reason it gives is unrecognised format
[00:05:00] xris: ole_schoola: it depends on who's doing the processing, how much money you're charging, and what kind of deals you work out.
[00:05:00] ole_schoola: ubahivn: rename the file to .mpg
[00:05:00] Juski: ubahivn: I find that if ffmpeg fails, everything else generally does
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[00:06:00] ubahivn: what do you use?
[00:06:00] DarkBeer: i have 40 locations and for inside visa they pay 1.593+.1073 (visa interchange rate) +.07 from the processor
[00:06:00] Juski: and too many apps never look at the file headers.. they only use the extension
[00:06:00] ubahivn: if I may ask
[00:06:00] xris: paypal's volume is certainly high enough to get good rates... my company doesn't do all that much credit card business (tens of thousands monthly) and I think that only amex charges us over 2%
[00:06:00] ole_schoola: xris: exactly, he's alittle guy, gets the standard entry level rate
[00:06:00] Juski: ebay have done me favours in helping me get rid of stuff I didn't want, so I just take the hit
[00:06:00] ole_schoola: now a car dealer will have negotiated a much lower rate
[00:07:00] chuckyp: What is this MainServer:: HandleAnounce Playback etc... in the mythbackend.log its filled with thiese.
[00:07:00] xris: Juski: yes. but now I need to create another personal acct if people want to give me micropayments for nuvexport support, etc.
[00:07:00] Juski: chuckyp: I'd speculate it's nothing to worry about
[00:07:00] chuckyp: and it adds usre.localhost as a client
[00:07:00] ole_schoola: xris: ten's of k's? time to talk to Paypal and renegotiate IMO
[00:08:00] Juski: xris: careful there – they keep careful tabs on that kind of thing.. what about nochex etc?
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[00:08:00] chuckyp: Juski: thanx I'll go through the mythtv-setup settings again for the capture card; as well as, the frontend settings for the recording options
[00:08:00] xris: ole_schoola: company I work for, not my personal one.
[00:08:00] xris: Juski: haven't looked at other options.
[00:09:00] Juski: chuckyp: if it's any consolation, the recording profile encoder settings will be greyed out in 0.19 for DVB & encoder card users
[00:09:00] xris: would rather people donate to charity instead of send me random $2, etc., though (not that I've ever received anything like that)
[00:09:00] Chutt: i just ignore people who try to donate crap
[00:09:00] Juski: I mean – with regard to what codec is used for recordings & live tv
[00:09:00] ubahivn: that didnt work
[00:09:00] xris: Chutt: yes. and you have good reasons for it. personally, I don't mind getting random cd's or thank you cards in the mail.
[00:10:00] chuckyp: Juski, so then do they need to be set up in the frontend?
[00:10:00] Chutt: xris, i would
[00:10:00] Chutt: 'Here, I think your work is worth $2.'
[00:10:00] xris: no one has done the "but I gave you X, you need to do Y for me now" thing
[00:11:00] xris: Chutt: true. but I've never given money to any OSS projects, either, so $2 is better than me.
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[00:11:00] Juski: chuckyp: only change things like bitrate & frame size.. leave the codec bits. they're not supposed to change stuff for digital / encoder cards but leave them alone anyway
[00:11:00] chuckyp: Juski, okay
[00:12:00] xris: frankly, I make plenty of money and can buy my own stuff.. but sometimes it's nice to get an unrequested gift.
[00:12:00] ubahivn: juski and ole_schoola renaming to mpg still does nothing. Mplayer will still not see the format though I can read regular mpeg files with mplayer
[00:12:00] dtm: i'll take a requested gift, if anyone's got em.
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[00:13:00] Juski: I'll take any unsolicited money going, thankyou very much!
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[00:14:00] Juski: but the "hey here's $2 for your **great** software" is a bit of an insult to be honest.. I'd look at it that way
[00:14:00] BradDaBug: does anyone use knoppmyth?
[00:14:00] kormoc: ubahivn, what tuner card do you have?
[00:14:00] Juski: BradDaBug: try rephrasing that question a tad
[00:15:00] BradDaBug: anyone gotten knoppmyth to work? ;)
[00:15:00] ubahivn: PCHD3000
[00:15:00] Juski: ubahivn: million dollar question: are you talking about HDTV recordings or recordings from an external video input the tuner card has?
[00:15:00] ubahivn: and I have been already told that it should be standard mpeg but it seems to not be
[00:15:00] Juski: BradDaBug: plenty.. and #knoppmyth is their channel btw
[00:16:00] ubahivn: not sure what you are asking juski
[00:16:00] BradDaBug: because i'm getting kernel panics when i try to boot, so i might have to try a different distro
[00:16:00] Juski: ubahivn: are you talking about HDTV off-air recordings or recordings using the video inputs your card has?
[00:17:00] chuckyp: Juski, thanks i'll try that later tonight when I get to the box for some reason forwarding the setup through ssh is not going well.
[00:17:00] ubahivn: I am going from the headend (DNCS) to my settop box which decrypts the stream and then to my card
[00:17:00] ubahivn: going through the coax connection
[00:17:00] Juski: I'm asking because some HDTV cards have video inputs tied to a lame old bttv (v4l) type video decoder that needs software encoding to work
[00:17:00] ubahivn: no soft encoding
[00:18:00] Juski: didn't know you could do that, so ermmm...
[00:18:00] Juski: right.. so it's full-on proper HDTV you're recording, yes?
[00:18:00] ubahivn: well the stream in question isnt HD but it could be
[00:18:00] Juski: it's all mpeg2 and all the card does is dump it to your hard disk (in essence)
[00:18:00] Juski: ahhh
[00:19:00] Juski: now there's the rub
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[00:19:00] Juski: so which part of the card are you using?
[00:19:00] ubahivn: just reg dig cable for what I want to archive
[00:19:00] ubahivn: but I do not believe that will change anything
[00:19:00] Juski: the v4l part or digital?
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[00:19:00] Juski: ubahivn: it changes lots of things
[00:19:00] ubahivn: input is coax
[00:19:00] Juski: yes, but...
[00:20:00] ubahivn: k
[00:20:00] ubahivn: what do you want me to check?
[00:20:00] Juski: if it's not an ATSC stream, it probably isn't mpeg2.. and I can't see a set top box modulating ATSC signals
[00:21:00] ubahivn: NTCS
[00:21:00] ubahivn: NTSC
[00:21:00] ubahivn: whatever
[00:21:00] Juski: right.. so you're taking an RF modulated feed from the STB in SDTV into your tuner card, yes?
[00:21:00] ubahivn: yes
[00:21:00] Juski: using an HDTV card in plain old v4l mode
[00:22:00] ubahivn: yep
[00:22:00] Juski: complete & utter waste of an HDTV card ;-)
[00:22:00] Juski: anyway...
[00:22:00] ubahivn: well
[00:22:00] Juski: the recording format won't be in mpeg2 in that case
[00:22:00] ubahivn: the stream comes in encrypted
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[00:22:00] ubahivn: so unless you can point me to some way to decrypt that.........
[00:22:00] Juski: btw you;d get better quality using composite or svideo ;-)
[00:23:00] ubahivn: I am not conserned with quality ATM
[00:23:00] Juski: and you could've saved money by not buying an HDTV card.. but anyway
[00:23:00] ubahivn: once I get this to work I will tweek
[00:23:00] ubahivn: meh
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[00:23:00] scottder: win 3
[00:23:00] Juski: so mythtv will be recording in either nuppelvideo rtjepg format or mpeg4
[00:23:00] ubahivn: I wanted one b4 the stupid FCC regulated em
[00:24:00] ubahivn: from what i have seen it seems to be nupple
[00:24:00] ubahivn: which is a pain
[00:24:00] xris: ubahivn: have you tried another program like xine?
[00:24:00] ubahivn: no
[00:24:00] Juski: and it will be – I'm sure a few of us stand corrected which is understandable considering we didn't know the full facts
[00:24:00] ubahivn: np
[00:24:00] ubahivn: we just needed clarity
[00:25:00] xris: oh, if it's v4l mode, then yeah, it's nupplevideo.
[00:25:00] Juski: indeed
[00:25:00] ubahivn: but do have any ideas for me
[00:25:00] Juski: yeah back to the question.. nuppelvideo to other formats...
[00:25:00] scottder: what IS nupplevideo anyway?
[00:25:00] xris: ubahivn: you want to export to dvd? nuvexport.
[00:25:00] xris: scottder: it's a container format like avi or ogg or mov
[00:25:00] scottder: nuvexport is a wonder of mankind :)
[00:26:00] scottder: xris: aaaah ok :)
[00:26:00] ubahivn: nuvexport I havent gotten to work right
[00:26:00] xris: but Chutt tweaked it from the original spec so it'd work better with mythtv.
[00:26:00] scottder: it sounds slightly naughty :)
[00:26:00] bjohnson: what would take more cpu power? displaying an mpg stream at the size it comes in OR displaying it in a smaller size?
[00:26:00] Juski: yeh.. typo error
[00:26:00] xris: ubahivn: nuvexport's really your only option.. esp. with nuv sources.
[00:26:00] Juski: bjohnson: probably the latter, but not by much
[00:27:00] xris: bjohnson: as long as X is doing the resizing, decoding will take up most of the cpu, not display
[00:27:00] ubahivn: so with an encrypted stream what else can I do?
[00:27:00] bjohnson: would dropping frames reduce cpu needed ?
[00:27:00] ubahivn: is there a better way?
[00:27:00] Juski: ubahivn: yeah – for one thing dump the coax, tuned connection
[00:27:00] ubahivn: ok
[00:27:00] Juski: you're probably getting mono audio & lacklustre video
[00:28:00] ubahivn: I can go S-video
[00:28:00] bjohnson: xris: any way to reduce the decoding demand on resources? other than adding hardware decoder
[00:28:00] xris: bjohnson: not really. 2ghz cpu minimum for hd.
[00:28:00] Juski: go to svideo if you can – and hook the STB up to your soundcard at least
[00:28:00] xris: my 2.4 can't play and record at the same time, either.
[00:28:00] Juski: bjohnson: xvmc can help a lot
[00:29:00] ubahivn: but I will still be nupple right?
[00:29:00] xris: ubahivn: if you're using a STB then why not use firewire?
[00:29:00] bjohnson: what about non-hd?
[00:29:00] xris: though the local HD channels should be unencrypted over QAM
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[00:29:00] bjohnson: just normal sat mpeg
[00:29:00] Juski: bjohnson: sdtv needs about a 600mhz cpu to decode
[00:29:00] ubahivn: firewire on the SA explorer series isnt supported
[00:29:00] bjohnson: ok. thnx
[00:30:00] ubahivn: there is one model that has a firewire port but
[00:30:00] ubahivn: no drivers ar anything
[00:30:00] Juski: ubahivn: you got the wrong STB.. in any case a lot of channels are encrypted anyway
[00:30:00] xris: and that's the model you have?
[00:30:00] bjohnson: does that translate to 600 mhz ppc as well?
[00:30:00] ubahivn: well I might be able to get a pace
[00:31:00] Juski: good ole british made junk ;-)
[00:31:00] ubahivn: BTW I work in the NOC of the cable company I am grabing video from
[00:31:00] xris: bjohnson: osx frontend? should work.
[00:31:00] DarkBeer: does the latest nuvexport tar work with myth .18.1, or do you need to be using svn?
[00:31:00] Juski: well british designed at least
[00:31:00] ubahivn: so I can change my box anytime
[00:31:00] xris: DarkBeer: should be backwards compatible
[00:31:00] DarkBeer: thanks xris
[00:31:00] ubahivn: but I have lots on this DVR I want to captuer 1st
[00:31:00] bjohnson: xris: it only has a 250 mhx ppc though. sounds like i shouldn't bother
[00:32:00] Juski: ubahivn: you'd probably have been better off getting a hauppague PVR card in your situation
[00:32:00] kormoc: xris, has the 5800 helped with your hdtv stuff?
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[00:32:00] ubahivn: man
[00:32:00] ubahivn: dont tell me that
[00:32:00] kormoc: ubahivn, this is why you should research before buying :)
[00:32:00] Juski: all the HDTV cards are good for is getting OTA HDTV
[00:32:00] ubahivn: especially if I get that and then still have trouble
[00:32:00] xris: kormoc: yeah, of course it's also a 3G p4 instead of a 1900+ athlon
[00:33:00] xris: bjohnson: that'd barely run osx
[00:33:00] ubahivn: I did research kormoc
[00:33:00] Juski: they had the means to screw us guys with HDTV and they made sure they did
[00:33:00] ubahivn: and mythtv site recomended the card I bought
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[00:33:00] Juski: yeh.. for using OTA HDTV not cable
[00:33:00] ubahivn: and they also said that recording to DVD would work fine.............
[00:33:00] Juski: but there's a big unwritten YMMV in there too
[00:34:00] ubahivn: unfomilure acronim
[00:34:00] ubahivn: and i cant spell
[00:34:00] ubahivn: YMMV?
[00:34:00] Juski: your mileage may vary
[00:34:00] ubahivn: yea well I was willing to take the risk
[00:34:00] kormoc: ubahivn, "Some cards support capture of unencrypted digital cable TV (utilizing QAM256), others will only work with Over The Air signals captured with an antenna (with 8VSB)."
[00:34:00] ubahivn: $200 for the card
[00:34:00] ole_schoola: only for OTA and unencrypted QAM-256 channels in cable
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[00:35:00] kormoc: ubahivn, you forgot the unencrypted part :P
[00:35:00] ole_schoola: then your stream will be native mpeg-2
[00:35:00] ubahivn: I can captuer the unencrypted channes fine without the settop but.....
[00:35:00] ole_schoola: good news for the non-US, DVB-Cable users out there
[00:35:00] ole_schoola: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /008136.html
[00:35:00] ubahivn: that does nothing for the other channels or me capturing what i have on my DVR
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[00:35:00] Juski: the very sad fact of the matter is.. you have to use _their_ hardware to record their network stuff
[00:36:00] ole_schoola: ubahivn: only option right now is Firewire enabled STB's
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[00:36:00] Juski: like I said – they had the means to screw the rest of us over & they took the option
[00:36:00] ole_schoola: Juski: not for DVB-C peeps
[00:36:00] kormoc: ole_schoola, or svideo input with a ir-blaster
[00:36:00] kormoc: direct from the cable box to the card
[00:36:00] Juski: such as in the UK... want to record Sky TV? buy a Sky PVR.. or ... or nothing
[00:36:00] ubahivn: well my company would go unencrypt if our competitor did.....
[00:36:00] ole_schoola: kormoc: isn't that 4vl encoding on a HD3000?
[00:37:00] ubahivn: I think we should anyway
[00:37:00] ubahivn: we are a small company
[00:37:00] kormoc: ole_schoola, on a hd3000, yes, but not on say, a pvr-150 or similar
[00:37:00] xris: ubahivn: decrypting the stuff is not an option.. it's not legal, and no one here would help you figure out how to do it. you're in the same boat as people like me who get OTA HD stuff, and use SVideo into a pvr-150 from my satellite box for the rest.
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[00:37:00] ubahivn: I understand that xris
[00:37:00] ole_schoola: kormoc: but he won't get his digital only channels then
[00:38:00] kormoc: xris, he works for the cable company he's talking about. he means as a company to deencrypt I beleive
[00:38:00] kormoc: ole_schoola, sure, why wouldn't he?
[00:38:00] ole_schoola: fat chance of that
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[00:38:00] ubahivn: and it dosnt bug me when grabing the video
[00:38:00] Juski: it's probably written into the provider contracts
[00:38:00] kormoc: ole_schoola, the box decodes it digital and outputs it analogly to svideo
[00:38:00] ubahivn: what I am having problems with is getting the nupple onto a dvd
[00:38:00] ole_schoola: kormoc, i get it now, duh
[00:38:00] ubahivn: yes kormoc
[00:39:00] ubahivn: we would unencrypt if it was industry standard out here
[00:39:00] ubahivn: but alas
[00:39:00] Juski: thou shalt not have the right to distribute this content, lest though compresseth (etc)
[00:39:00] Juski: blame the greedy bastards they call shareholders ;-)
[00:39:00] kormoc: and thou shalt not count to two, unless thou continuth on to three.
[00:40:00] ubahivn: we are privatle owned
[00:40:00] ubahivn: so no shareholders just investors
[00:40:00] ole_schoola: ubahivn: (i think) what you have now is .nuv containers full of rtjpeg or mpeg-4 compressed video
[00:40:00] kormoc: ubahivn, but the stations you carry are not.
[00:40:00] ole_schoola: ubahivn: thus adding complexity to nuvexport
[00:40:00] ubahivn: true
[00:40:00] Juski: ubahivn: yeh but the people you get content from will have pretty damn tight restrictions on the when, where & why
[00:40:00] kormoc: ubahivn, basically, you can use nuvexport to export it to mpeg or what not, and burn that
[00:40:00] ole_schoola: Juski is absolutely correct
[00:41:00] ubahivn: ok so mayby I need help with nuvexport
[00:41:00] ubahivn: thx all
[00:41:00] Juski: like have you ever wondered why so many movie subscription channels have so many movies you've never even heard of? part of the deal in being allowed to show big movies is that the shit gets shown too
[00:41:00] xris: ubahivn: bug me about nuvexport tonight after I get mythweb ready for the .19 release... or someone else here should be able to help
[00:42:00] ubahivn: how many hours is it till "tonight"
[00:42:00] Juski: how long is a piece of string ? ;-)
[00:42:00] ubahivn: and no one will mind me asking about nuvexport in a mythtv channel?
[00:43:00] ole_schoola: great, now were talking string theory
[00:43:00] Juski: I doubt it somehow
[00:43:00] kormoc: ubahivn, nuvexport is a myth util
[00:43:00] ubahivn: k never been here b4 and I dont IRC much but some channels I have been on werent to nice about talking other ppls software
[00:43:00] ubahivn: oo
[00:44:00] ubahivn: didnt know it was myth
[00:44:00] ole_schoola: nuvexport exists for myth, this is the right place
[00:44:00] ubahivn: kk
[00:44:00] ubahivn: is there a GUI?
[00:44:00] ubahivn: that works
[00:44:00] Juski: so long as it's not illegal stuff, it's basically allowed in here, barring stupid "how do I list the contents of a direcory" type questions
[00:44:00] ubahivn: how do I list the contents of a directory?
[00:45:00] ubahivn: ;-p
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[00:45:00] Juski: heh
[00:45:00] Juski: man ls
[00:45:00] ubahivn: haha
[00:45:00] ** ole_schoola looks for the fish **
[00:45:00] ** Juski yells "big fish, little fish, carboard box" **
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[00:46:00] kormoc: ubahivn, nuvexport is a gui to transcode/mythtranscode/ffmpeg to allow conversion easy enough
[00:46:00] ubahivn: anyone use projectx?
[00:46:00] Juski: aye
[00:47:00] ubahivn: anyluck with nupple?
[00:47:00] Juski: ubahivn: if I could offer a little suggestion: questions starting with "does anyone..." often go ignored here, except for maybe statements of contempt for metaquestions
[00:47:00] Juski: it's a little bit like saying "does anyone have genitals?"
[00:48:00] kormoc: Juski, good thing he started with just anyone!
[00:48:00] ubahivn: *raises hand*
[00:49:00] kormoc: ubahivn, it's not just nupple you'd need to worry about, it's myth's nonstandard nupple video
[00:49:00] Juski: well you gotta at least have balls to come in here, so ... l-)
[00:49:00] kormoc: ubahivn, only player I know of that plays it is mplayer with a patch, and some people say vlc does as well, but I don't know that for sure
[00:49:00] ubahivn: considering I work for the "enemy"
[00:50:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:50:00] ubahivn: yea kormoc and I am not worried about playing it, I am more worried with transcoding it
[00:51:00] Juski: okay, so maybe I should've said "it's a bit like saying "does anyone use linux" "
[00:51:00] kormoc: ubahivn, then your only real options are nuvexport or mencode with the patches.
[00:51:00] ubahivn: does anyone use slack and compile thier kernal?
[00:51:00] ubahivn: ;-p
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[00:52:00] ubahivn: k kormoc
[00:52:00] ubahivn: I will give it a try again
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[00:55:00] ubahivn: __,,,,_{ô¿ô}_,,,,__
[00:55:00] ubahivn: ok thank all I will be back later to let you know how it went
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[00:59:00] Manolis: What's the slowest machine anyone here has ever run a front end on?
[01:01:00] phoner2: 700mhz
[01:02:00] Manolis: P3 ?
[01:02:00] phoner2: amd something equivalent
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[01:02:00] phoner2: I think it would work with much less though
[01:03:00] phoner2: that was front/backend together
[01:03:00] Manolis: wow backend and front end, that's impressive
[01:03:00] Manolis: for such a slow machine
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[01:04:00] phoner2: with hardware compression It would require half that cpu
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[01:05:00] GetInLine1: can anyone give me some pointers?
[01:05:00] phoner2: <--------------
[01:05:00] ** DarkBeer points east **
[01:05:00] phoner2: how's that
[01:05:00] Manolis: GetInLine1 GetInLine1 hardy har har...
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[01:07:00] GetInLine1: I'm trying to set up myth on ubuntu... I have a an usb IR remote for windows media center... I want to use mythtv simply to play my divx and xvids as well as music... No DVR'ing... Does this sound like the correct app for my needs?
[01:07:00] Freman: is there anything I can do to cut back on the prebuffering pauses?
[01:07:00] Freman: It's basically stopping to do a prebuffer pause every second
[01:09:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: sure MythTV will work and look damn good doing it
[01:10:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: I'm just not sure about support for that remote
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[01:13:00] GetInLine1: Manolis, awesome... thats the least of my worries... the thing is im trying to start up myth and i get the first couple config screens then it crashes out... The error in the terminal is:
[01:13:00] GetInLine1: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost'
[01:13:00] GetInLine1: then cant write to the DB
[01:13:00] GetInLine1: was i supposed to set up a myth user in mysql?
[01:14:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: did you add the db into mysql?
[01:14:00] GetInLine1: i obviously missed something... it asked for the root pass for the db in synaptic when it installed the package
[01:14:00] GetInLine1: let my look in myphpadmin and see if there is a mythdb
[01:15:00] GetInLine1: yup they are there
[01:15:00] Manolis: hrrm, is your mythtv db account's password just mythtv ?
[01:16:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: try "mysql -u mythtv -p"
[01:16:00] Juski: Freman: you using SVN with DVB by any chance?
[01:16:00] Freman: no
[01:16:00] Freman: I'm still using stable with dvb/analog
[01:17:00] scottder: I have the USB MCE Remote with my PVR-150 and it works fine
[01:17:00] Freman: right now, I'm trying to watch an analog recording over the network... and all it does is paus...
[01:17:00] Juski: prebuffering pauses are sometimes caused by the CPU maxing out
[01:17:00] scottder: USB receiver and the RC6 remote
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[01:19:00] Freman: far from it I'm afraid )c;p
[01:19:00] GetInLine1: Manolis, i got in! now it says i need to modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP
[01:19:00] GetInLine1: any ideas?
[01:19:00] GetInLine1: ohh wait, its trying to connect to localhost, on 6453
[01:20:00] GetInLine1: no go though
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[01:20:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: try using your real IP address in mythtv-setup instead of 127.0.0.1 ?
[01:21:00] Freman: Frontend: Cpu(s): 28.9% us, 4.9% sy, 0.0% ni, 60.7% id, 0.0% wa, 2.0% hi, 3.6% si
[01:21:00] Freman: Backend: Cpu(s): 28.7% us, 13.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 54.3% id, 0.7% wa, 1.7% hi, 1.3% si
[01:21:00] squish102: any done a gentoo emerge mythtv and got the following error: in avcodec.h:14 common.h:61: error: array type has incomplete element type
[01:21:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: Is this a backend/frontend combo machine or different machines?
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[01:21:00] GetInLine1: Manolis: combo
[01:22:00] scottder: Ok where do you set what time MythTV goes out and get info from zap2it
[01:23:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: what flavor of linux and version of mysql?
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[01:29:00] scottder: anyone tried to install xmame on FC with yum....complains about libglide
[01:31:00] Manolis: GetInLine1: did you run mythtv-setup yet?
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[01:39:00] GetInLine1: Manolis, i got stuck in full screen of myth, lol, sorry
[01:39:00] GetInLine1: i gotta head out right now but thanks for your help!
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[01:51:00] squish102: any done a gentoo emerge mythtv and got the following error: in avcodec.h:14 common.h:61: error: array type has incomplete element type (something about trying to get mythtv compiled in 3.4!)
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[02:07:00] BradDaBug2: what's the best file system for myth? JFS?
[02:15:00] topping: is there a site with all the myth plugins available?
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[02:15:00] GreyFoxx: www.mythtv.org
[02:15:00] topping: for instance, torrentocracy might be listed there
[02:15:00] topping: ok
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know of any single site listing non official plugins
[02:16:00] topping: ah, got it. :-)
[02:16:00] topping: any favorites?
[02:16:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use any that don't come with myth :)
[02:16:00] topping: :)
[02:17:00] topping: if you were to use them though... ?
[02:17:00] GreyFoxx: But, from a usage standpoint I use MythVideo most out of all plugins
[02:17:00] topping: yah me too
[02:17:00] topping: i just set up mythflix, pretty cool
[02:17:00] GreyFoxx: heh I haven't configured that yet :)
[02:18:00] topping: it could use a tad bit more "functionality", but no biggie
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[02:19:00] GreyFoxx: after 0.19 a I wouldn't be suprised to see mythvideo and mythdvd (the playback portion) rolled into the main frontend
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[02:20:00] topping: i'd be concerned that the remaining parts become orphans, but otherwise sounds cool
[02:21:00] Kyler: Is there a way to tell MythTV to set the contrast/brightness/saturation for ivtv?
[02:22:00] topping: Kyler: if it's possible, I look in the kernel driver config params
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: You can configure that per channel in mythtv-setup
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: and it will use those settings when recording from that particular channel
[02:22:00] topping: (wow)
[02:22:00] Kyler: Can I set it for all channels?
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: I haven't looked at that particular screen in a while so I'm not sure if there is a "use this for all" type option
[02:23:00] GreyFoxx: But it can always been done directly in the database
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[02:31:00] xpis: Have any changes occured in the past 30 days in svn that would break the protocol?
[02:32:00] xpis: (As I understand, it has been bugfixes only recently)
[02:32:00] Kyler: I'm not seeing the video setup stuff...looking in the kernel module...
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[02:32:00] GreyFoxx: xpis, well the protocol itself has changed(and therefore the version as well) a few times in the last month I believe
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[02:33:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Then I guess I'll have to update the backend before testing my frontend patches to the latest svn code.
[02:34:00] JayRCz: I need some assistance please. I have some recordings that were deleted outside of mythtv. They still show up in mythtv and it won't allow me to delete them. Any ideas how I can clear them from mythtv?
[02:34:00] GreyFoxx: JayRCz: Touch the missing filename, then remove them through the interface
[02:35:00] JayRCz: ok, cool. thanks
[02:35:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: will anything else major happen between now and 0.19 besides the few bugfixes holding the release?
[02:35:00] GreyFoxx: doubtful, as I believe Isaac was looking to spit out 0.19 tonight
[02:36:00] xpis: That would be nice.
[02:36:00] xpis: I might just patch against 0.19 then.
[02:36:00] JayRCz: One more quick question. Is there a way/script to change the name of a recorded file?
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[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: JayRCz: Not if you are running 0.18, but there is a script that can make symlnks using the shows name and such
[02:37:00] GreyFoxx: if you are running svn then there is also a script which can rename the recordings called mythrename.pl or something similar
[02:38:00] JayRCz: I'm running 0.18. is svn the latest?
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: yes, it;s the developement code
[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: soon to be version 0.19
[02:39:00] JayRCz: excellent. thanks for all your help
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[02:40:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: would there be any hope of getting a new feature in a point release (0.19.1), or will all new features have to wait until 0.20?
[02:40:00] ** xris goes off to finish mythweb so they'll actually release .19 **
[02:41:00] xris: xpis: point releases are usually for bug fixes
[02:41:00] scottder: xris: better add some good stuff to mythweb!
[02:41:00] scottder: :)
[02:41:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: What'sthe new feature you are working on ?>
[02:41:00] xpis: Volume normalization
[02:41:00] xpis: Very handy when there are people sleeping upstairs.
[02:41:00] GreyFoxx: ahh, right, I forgot you were working on that
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[02:42:00] scottder: BTW, when watching videos (not recordings) is there a way to say watch all the videos in a folder....
[02:42:00] xris: scottder: mostly just code rearranging for this release
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: Like a playlist in mythvideo ? Hrmmm... I've never seen such a thing, but I'd find it pretty handy as well
[02:42:00] ** GreyFoxx adds that to his todo list **
[02:43:00] xpis: I'm using the algorithm from mplayer, even though it is not perfect. The ideal method would be to do a process to calculate peak volume (not peak amplitude) post recording, and use this data to normalize during playback.
[02:43:00] scottder: GreyFoxx: Indeed...I already have a folder of my sons shows :)
[02:43:00] xris: GreyFoxx: or just playing the directory, like you can do with xine...
[02:43:00] xris: or xmms
[02:44:00] GreyFoxx: xris: That would be nice, for both videos and dvd directories
[02:44:00] xris: yup
[02:44:00] xpis: Adding a post process would break compatibility and be much harder to implement – so for now it's operating on the stream blind.
[02:44:00] kormoc: it'd be sort of nice to play a list of recorded tv too
[02:44:00] kormoc: just say, play the simpsons group
[02:44:00] xpis: I haven't had any time to work on it this past week – I've been too busy.
[02:44:00] ** scottder hopes it doesn;t take too long for rpms to come out :) **
[02:44:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Well you can do a playlist in mythfrontend for recorded stuff now
[02:45:00] GreyFoxx: I've never played with it to see how indepth the controls are
[02:45:00] xris: GreyFoxx: yeah, I noticed that. never could figure out how to play the playlist, though
[02:45:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, ooh? any idea how?
[02:45:00] xris: kormoc: hit right-arrow on the recording
[02:45:00] xris: you can add to playlist.
[02:45:00] kormoc: ahh
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[02:45:00] xris: never could figure out how to start it, though.. since if you start playing a recording, it just plays that one.
[02:45:00] kormoc: it'd be nice to be able to add a entire group at once tho :P
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: hrmmm... lemme see
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[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: xris: After you make the playlist
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: hit M for menu
[02:49:00] xris: ahh
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: first option plays the playlist
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: err sorry, after M, pick playlist options, THEN first option is play
[02:50:00] GreyFoxx: not very intuitive
[02:50:00] ** xris finishes the mythweb edits and goes off to finish building his new computer. **
[02:50:00] xris: GreyFoxx: agreed
[02:50:00] ** GreyFoxx adds that to his list **
[02:50:00] rtsai: playlist playing doesn't preserve "play" settings between recordings, though.
[02:50:00] rtsai: commskip, etc.
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: Suprising since it calls the same routines to play a show as the regular play command
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: but then I don't auto skip commercials so I would never have noticed that
[02:51:00] xris: later, all.
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: later :)
[02:51:00] ** kormoc waves to xris **
[02:51:00] kormoc: auto com skip just doesn't work for myself
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: you can add a group to a playlist in that same menu :)
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: popup->addButton(tr("Add this Group to Playlist"), this,
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: SLOT(togglePlayListTitle()));
[02:52:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, ooh, awesome!
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: Or so it appears from looking at the code
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: I just use the single recording group, though I keep meaning to go in and reclassify stuff
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: especially my daughters stuff :)
[02:54:00] Gumby: Does anyone have any idea how to fix or troubleshoot this.. I am getting very little volume when using my bttv card (first card is ivtv, second is bttv). If I turn PCM up full I can hear a slight bit of audio and it is synced with the video. The only way to get the audio louder is to unmute line in, but the audio is of course out of sync.
[02:54:00] kormoc: hehe, makes sense
[02:55:00] kormoc: Gumby, change the input volume, f3 I beleive in alsamixer switches to the input volume controls
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[02:56:00] Gumby: kormoc: I have the input volume set as high as it will go, Both Line and Capture
[02:57:00] Gumby: (F3 just closes alsmixer for me but I have set the capture devices using alsamixer -V capture)
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[03:03:00] kormoc: Gumby, ooh, f4 is the key, sorry
[03:03:00] kormoc: Gumby, is the ac97 also up (if you have it)
[03:04:00] Gumby: dont have it
[03:05:00] kormoc: hrm
[03:05:00] kormoc: might wanna try the mic in?
[03:05:00] Gumby: I dont quite understand the inner workings of how the sound works for timeshifted tv, but in something like tvtime the sound works just fine.
[03:05:00] kormoc: Gumby, for time shifted tv, you want to be able to record without hearing it
[03:05:00] Gumby: ANd it has worked before both in mandriva and in debian, exact same setup. ivtv = video0, bttv = video1
[03:06:00] Gumby: yeah, I understand that much :)
[03:07:00] simcop2387: hmm manipulating the schedule via an ical webdav setup...
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[03:09:00] kormoc: simcop2387, or mythweb?
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: laga: If you are around, the mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode/cutting seems to be working pretty well.... sweet :)
[03:12:00] ** Gumby wonders if a different kernel version woould be any better **
[03:12:00] Captain_Murdoch: you can also use / to tag items for a playlist and ? to clear.
[03:13:00] jnunez: Q; is there a way to grab a recording and cut it into multiple files?
[03:13:00] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: Nice, that would make it much faster with a keyboard
[03:13:00] jnunez: With MythTV
[03:13:00] GreyFoxx: now my question is, is there a similar key to add a transcode job for a recording without starting playback and hitting X ?
[03:14:00] Captain_Murdoch: GreyFoxx: those are the keys for the channel favorites stuff so I reused them since I figured some people would have them mapped already.
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: nice
[03:14:00] Captain_Murdoch: no, no key to do that that I know of.
[03:14:00] xpis: Gumby: use v4lctl to up the output volume
[03:14:00] xpis: Gumby: then, add that to a script to be executed on startup
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: Captain_Murdoch: I'm just playing around with the MPEG2->MPEG2 cutting stuff so it made me think of it
[03:15:00] Gumby: xpis: any idea what package that might be part of in fc4?
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: jnunez: Hmmmm nothing I know of to do that
[03:15:00] xpis: Gumby: xawtv
[03:15:00] jnunez: Thanks GreyFoxx
[03:15:00] Gumby: xpis: will try, ty
[03:15:00] xpis: Gumby: I'm not sure if there's a fedora package for it though.. so you might have to compile it or get an unofficial package.
[03:15:00] Gumby: there is an xawtv package
[03:16:00] xpis: Gumby: V4lctl will issue a command to the driver to up the audio volume. Simply specifying 100% for the volume will use the maximum available in your driver.
[03:17:00] jnunez: xpis: will v4lctl work with ivtv cards?
[03:17:00] xpis: Gumby: The command you will want to use is v4lctl -c /dev/video0 volume 100%
[03:17:00] xpis: jnunez: no
[03:17:00] xpis: jnunez: It is v4l specific. It operates based on specific calls to the v4l driver.
[03:18:00] Gumby: heh, it segfaults :(
[03:18:00] jnunez: ok thanks
[03:18:00] xpis: Gumby: try /dev/video1, if that is the proper card
[03:18:00] Gumby: I think there is a problem with this kernel
[03:18:00] Gumby: yes, thats what I used
[03:18:00] xpis: Gumby: and add -v 2 to the command line.. then put the entire output in pastebin
[03:18:00] xpis: Gumby: how old is your kernel?
[03:19:00] Gumby: not very
[03:19:00] xpis: Gumby: 2.6.14 or above?
[03:19:00] Gumby: yes, 2.6.15-1–1831_FC4
[03:19:00] Gumby: but IVe been seeing other errors as well.
[03:20:00] xpis: I doubt it's the kernel though.
[03:20:00] Gumby: really strange one when using mplayer
[03:20:00] xpis: What's the error?
[03:20:00] Gumby: I have issues pasting via putty...
[03:20:00] Gumby: one sec
[03:20:00] xpis: Is it ioctls failing due to buffer timeouts?
[03:22:00] xpis: Gumby: I'm guessing you can eliminate your mplayer errors by specifying YUY2 color packing. Mplayer defaults to RGB 24 bit, which will fail on cards that don't support full speed PCI... which probably includes your card.
[03:24:00] Gumby: -v 2 with that command still only returns a segfault
[03:25:00] Gumby: http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/errors/wtf/txt
[03:25:00] Gumby: err
[03:25:00] Gumby: http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/errors/wtf.txt
[03:25:00] xpis: Did you use a precompiled package for v4lctl?
[03:25:00] xpis: And does xawtv work at all?
[03:25:00] Gumby: one sec
[03:26:00] kormoc: that's an issue with your kernel's memory mapper
[03:27:00] Gumby: hrm, xawtv segfaults too
[03:27:00] xpis: Gumby: so that's what v4lctl fails with?
[03:27:00] Gumby: no, that was the kernel message Iwas mentioning
[03:27:00] xpis: Gumby: And did this occur before you upgraded your kernel to 2.6.15?
[03:27:00] Gumby: v4lctl fails with Segmentation fault
[03:27:00] kormoc: I've only had issues with it from 2.6.15+ myself
[03:27:00] EricL: If I have the newest version of MythTV (the latest subversion), how do I record something out of the ringbuffer?
[03:27:00] Gumby: not sure, this is the only kernel Ive setup thus far
[03:27:00] kormoc: and the only real fix has been to reboot
[03:28:00] xpis: Where did you obtain xawtv? Sources?
[03:28:00] kormoc: EricL, you don't. It automatically does
[03:28:00] EricL: kormoc: So if I want to save a 30 min show I just watched, how do I do it?
[03:28:00] Gumby: atrpms via yum
[03:28:00] kormoc: EricL, it auto saves it, it should be in your recorded programs listing
[03:29:00] Gumby: EricL: you cant just save a show you watched via livetv
[03:29:00] xpis: Gumby: Try v4lctl -c /dev/video1 list
[03:29:00] Gumby: fi that is what you are wanting to do
[03:29:00] kormoc: Gumby, in the svn release, it auto does just that for you
[03:29:00] xpis: Gumby: and simply just type v4lctl
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[03:29:00] Freman: damn it...
[03:29:00] EricL: kormoc: So I won't lose it if I back out of LiveTV?
[03:29:00] kormoc: Freman, hello there sunshine!
[03:29:00] Freman: this prebuffering bullshit is driving me up the fkking wall
[03:30:00] kormoc: EricL, if you are running svn, nope, you won't
[03:30:00] Gumby: xpis: Segmentation fault, Segmentation fault (for both)
[03:30:00] xpis: Gumby: And does xawtv work?
[03:30:00] ** Gumby is going to try a different kernel **
[03:31:00] Gumby: xpis: nope, segfaults
[03:31:00] xpis: Gumby: Yes, try reverting to 2.6.14
[03:31:00] Freman: I'm now running an nvidia card with XvMC, I've tweeked resolutions both ways... and still it prebuffers like a bitch... even (especially) when I run it over the network...
[03:31:00] xpis: Gumby: Or, yum update kernel again to see if there is a fixed version
[03:32:00] kormoc: Freman, are the harddrives fast enough?
[03:33:00] Freman: 7200 ides, dma enabled, 8 meg buffer
[03:33:00] kormoc: Freman, hdparm -t /dev/hdX will tell you
[03:35:00] Freman: hda Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.08 seconds = 20.80 MB/sec
[03:35:00] Freman: hdc Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 3.08 seconds = 20.80 MB/sec
[03:35:00] kormoc: that's plenty fast
[03:35:00] Freman: I'm using lvm will that effect it?
[03:35:00] kormoc: it will al little, but not that much
[03:36:00] kormoc: so then, how about your ram?
[03:36:00] Freman: vg/home Timing buffered disk reads: 164 MB in 3.02 seconds = 54.23 MB/sec
[03:36:00] scottder: wee xmame all build...now just need some roms :)
[03:36:00] Freman: crap..messed up (c: hdc is Timing buffered disk reads: 164 MB in 3.01 seconds = 54.45 MB/sec
[03:37:00] Freman: ram – I've got a gig of that, upgraded from 512.. hasn't helped
[03:37:00] kormoc: Freman, and you have free ram?
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[03:38:00] Freman: Mem: 882 327 555 0 12 120
[03:38:00] Freman: 500 megs free
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[03:38:00] poonj: hey guys..
[03:38:00] poonj: when using the DVD rip module, is it possible to store all of the chapters into one file?
[03:38:00] poonj: or somehow combine them so its easier to watch?
[03:40:00] Freman: even playing back normal video stutters
[03:43:00] JayRCz: when I try to run "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start", I get "start-stop-daemon: Unable to set initgroups() with gid 113". I read on the internet that it's because the current user doesn't belong to the group assigned to the file. I changed it but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
[03:43:00] ** Gumby is not liking yum at all **
[03:43:00] Gumby: its more like yuck
[03:43:00] JayRCz: any suggestions?
[03:44:00] xpis: Gumby: you're not alone
[03:44:00] xpis: Gumby: So.. did you try another kernel?
[03:45:00] Gumby: working on it right now. I am going to run out of time though. going to have to do it remotely somehow as I wont be home for the weekend.
[03:45:00] Gumby: gf wants my time.... if only she knew what it was really worth
[03:45:00] xpis: Gumby: set up ssh and vnc
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[03:45:00] xpis: Gumby: Connect via ssh, and tunnel vnc sessions.
[03:45:00] Gumby: done and done
[03:46:00] Gumby: telling if the audio is working might be tough though. hehe
[03:46:00] Gumby: might have ot just record some shows and dl them to see
[03:46:00] xpis: Gumby: Do you have two soundcards?
[03:46:00] xpis: Gumby: (if so, you can loop one into the other for testing)
[03:46:00] Gumby: nope, only one
[03:47:00] xpis: I believe there are ways to force alsa to spit out its audio data.
[03:47:00] xpis: (try google)
[03:47:00] ole_schoola: Gumby: set up webcam with audio
[03:48:00] Gumby: lol
[03:48:00] Gumby: its not THAT important. I have two other tuners to use :)
[03:48:00] Gumby: anyhow, duty calls. thanks for the help xpis
[03:48:00] ole_schoola: lol, spend some time with the SR
[03:50:00] scottder: I am running 2.6.14 on FC4...don't see much reason to go to 2.6.15 right now
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[03:57:00] StickMan: wow
[03:57:00] StickMan: brokeback mountain sucked
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[04:02:00] KidBluz: Good evening, everyone.
[04:09:00] dtm: why hello there KidBluz
[04:10:00] KidBluz: I have a couple of questions if someone is up to it.
[04:10:00] KidBluz: Actually, the first question is for a friend in regards to Mythstream
[04:11:00] KidBluz: when he plays a known good stream, it skips, which it doesn't do from another computer in the same household
[04:19:00] KidBluz: I'll try back another time..
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[04:20:00] kormoc: he's impatient...
[04:21:00] dtm: :-I
[04:21:00] DarkBeer: seemed like more of a statement than a question
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[04:31:00] Manolis: Hello – I know this is a bit off topic, but does anyone use BootSplash ?
[04:31:00] Manolis: No one is home over at #bootsplash :(
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[04:47:00] lane: woohoo! looks like one of the 4 remaining tickets in svn for 0.19 has been closed. :)
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[04:54:00] Yellow-Snow: sup all
[04:54:00] Yellow-Snow: hey dosent the tv guide run through the cable?
[04:55:00] Yellow-Snow: even if u dont have the hd digital cable and the box
[04:56:00] Manolis: Yellow-Snow: no, it's part of the cable box
[04:56:00] Yellow-Snow: see thats where i beg to differ
[04:56:00] Yellow-Snow: my brother has this tv that they dont make anymore.. but anywho.. he gets the tv guide whereever
[04:56:00] Yellow-Snow: w/o the box.. w/o that hd service
[04:56:00] GreyFoxx: There are 2 kinds of guide data on the wire depending on your provider. DVB EIT data(Digital cable stuff) or Guide+
[04:57:00] GreyFoxx: Guide+ is likely what he is seeing
[04:57:00] GreyFoxx: and I've never seen a consumer level tv tuner or software that would grab it
[04:57:00] Yellow-Snow: so can't we get the pvr to see the same thing?
[04:57:00] Yellow-Snow: yea they dont make this tv anymore
[04:57:00] Yellow-Snow: not sure why
[04:57:00] GreyFoxx: Many TV's and vcr's support it
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: My 1 year old TV supports it, so it's still out there
[04:58:00] Yellow-Snow: how come my 150 dosent? like imo i think cable companies dont want reg people to have it
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: but it's short term, I've neve rseen more than a few hours of data
[04:58:00] Yellow-Snow: oh not his
[04:58:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: Your tuner isn't designed to grab the data
[04:58:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:58:00] xpis: FYI, Guide+ has been discontinued and all Guide+ hardware is now useless. The replacement is TV Guide On Screen, which requires new hardware.
[04:59:00] Yellow-Snow: his still works
[04:59:00] Yellow-Snow: so idk.. ill get the tv brand next time i talk to him
[04:59:00] xpis: As of the new year?
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: That just means no new installs, places with the gear can still tranbsmit it
[04:59:00] GreyFoxx: My TV has guide+ listings (I'm looking right now)
[04:59:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:00:00] Yellow-Snow: but can't u get software to use the pvr for that?
[05:00:00] Yellow-Snow: or is it hardware
[05:00:00] Yellow-Snow: to take out the freq that is the guide
[05:00:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: That's odd, as my box stopped receiving it as of the new year.
[05:00:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Guide+ is now called TV Guide On Screen, and from the web site, only specific new hardware is supported.
[05:00:00] Yellow-Snow: :: shrug ::
[05:02:00] Yellow-Snow: so we can't use our pvr's b/c its mainly a hardware conflict? no new program or anything?
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: How does not using Guide+ mean you can't use your pvr ?
[05:04:00] Yellow-Snow: no i mean why can't we edit the software that uses the pvr-150 to grab guide+ and use it instead of direct tv
[05:05:00] GreyFoxx: Ahh, It's not a matter of changing the software
[05:05:00] GreyFoxx: You would have to modify the hardware and the firmware
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[05:05:00] GreyFoxx: and then the software :)
[05:06:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Guide+/TV Guide On Screen data is encoded in the VBI data, which the PVR 150 should have the capability of grabbing.
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[05:06:00] GreyFoxx: From what I was told by the local Cable tech who manages the local cable network it's not that simple
[05:07:00] GreyFoxx: But hey, if you can get at it then cool
[05:07:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: TV Guide On Screen is supported by the windows PVR software bundled with my framegrabber. The board only supports framegrabbing and VBI grabbing.
[05:08:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Perhaps the windows software could be reverse engineered..
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean that takes out having to have internet and using direct tv
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: Sure, that I've seen, However I was told, and had no reason to doubt as this guy would know since he installs the equipment, that Guide+ was sent in such a way that it didn't appear in the VBI data, but rather was using some odd modulation
[05:09:00] xpis: It is my understanding that Guide+Plus data is transmitted on various cable channels by agreements made with them. Guide+ receivers scroll through channels when the devices are in standby and find this data.
[05:09:00] GreyFoxx: But heck, if it's there that would bve nice
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: so in the long run it would be worth it
[05:09:00] Yellow-Snow: keeping mythtv always free
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[05:10:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: Hehe no, It would be good to keep the now/next show updated, but you are not gonna get 13 days of data off it
[05:10:00] xpis: If it used odd modulation, it wouldn't be supported by stock devices, which only support standard modulation.
[05:10:00] Yellow-Snow: :: shrug :: idk grey i have to ask him how long of a date he gets.. i think around a week
[05:11:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: Nice, and for EVERY channel ?
[05:11:00] xpis: It is somehow encrypted or obfuscated, no doubt, but the modulation would have to be standard – or my framegrabber could never receive the data.
[05:11:00] GreyFoxx: It certainly would be nice as a second datapoint if nothing else
[05:11:00] Yellow-Snow: no clue.. and who knows what laws will be passed
[05:11:00] Yellow-Snow: making us pay for it ect
[05:11:00] xpis: Usually Guide+Plus data is transmitted on the local stations... so this will stop working entirely when stations go all digital.
[05:12:00] GreyFoxx: Umm a Law to force you to pay for zap2it listings ?> wtf
[05:12:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[05:12:00] Yellow-Snow: idk law making it cost money for the company which makes us pay for it
[05:12:00] Yellow-Snow: idk man who knows.. but u see where everything is going
[05:12:00] Yellow-Snow: to get the guide u gata pay some big bucks. ect tivo
[05:13:00] Yellow-Snow: and now direct guide or w/e we are using is cutting back? who knows
[05:13:00] GreyFoxx: What does the "idk" acronym stand for ?
[05:13:00] xpis: probably I don't know
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[05:14:00] GreyFoxx: Zap2it has temporarily cut back the data available from 13 days to 3 to lower the load on their boxes while they fix load issues. At which time they are putting it back to 13
[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: Hell I'm so happy with the data from them I'd pay to access it if the day every did come
[05:16:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:16:00] dtm: hehe
[05:16:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho on another yellow-snow brain storm
[05:17:00] Yellow-Snow: my box has 2 leds.. 1 green saying power 1 red for hd use
[05:17:00] Yellow-Snow: anyway to edit the red one where if its recording it stays on and if not it dosent
[05:17:00] Yellow-Snow: or is that motherboard software?
[05:17:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you can hook them up to serial port pins or something
[05:18:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:18:00] GreyFoxx: Well, if the red one is harddrive activity you would think it would stay on during a recording since a recording is by definition writing data to the hd ?
[05:18:00] Yellow-Snow: well not blink
[05:18:00] Yellow-Snow: er it blinks
[05:18:00] Yellow-Snow: im talking on or off thats it
[05:19:00] Yellow-Snow: just would be better then massive blinking that lights up my room and a easy way to see if its recording not encoding
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: Then yeah, you would have to do a hardware mod. Like xpis said coming up with something you could wire to a serial port and control from some other app would be your best bet
[05:19:00] xpis: If you want a LED to be controllable, it will have to go to a serial port, or some sort of controller board hooked up by serial, parallel, or usb.
[05:19:00] Yellow-Snow: just an idea
[05:19:00] GreyFoxx: By encoding you mean transcoding ?
[05:19:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:20:00] xpis: You could make a board yourself that would allow you to use a serial port to control LEDs.
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: If you don't wanna see the blinking like just pop a piece of tape over it ;)
[05:20:00] Yellow-Snow: hah =p
[05:20:00] xpis: Go to radio shack and pick up an appropriate logic chip.
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: Or buy a LCD/VFD display and myth can write what it's doing to the display
[05:20:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis actually i could get my bro to use the pins to do it.. and just wire it to the pins
[05:21:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: which pins?
[05:21:00] Yellow-Snow: serial
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: I think he means, specifically what serial pins :)
[05:21:00] Yellow-Snow: oh hell idk
[05:21:00] xpis: No, I meant serial vs parallel
[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: i just know he can.. tho usb is much harder to control that way
[05:22:00] xpis: Nothing should be powered by a parallel port – it should be for data transfer only.
[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: idk much about this
[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: onto my next brain storm!
[05:22:00] xpis: Controlling an LED via serial is trivial.
[05:22:00] Yellow-Snow: let me ask him
[05:23:00] lane: well, I know it's possible. I rigged up some LEDs controlled by (I think) the parallel port of an 8086 in my digital electronics class in college
[05:23:00] xpis: lane: possible, yes. Best practice, no.
[05:23:00] lane: the program to do it was in assembler, I believe
[05:23:00] Yellow-Snow: yea assembly
[05:24:00] lane: xpis: right
[05:24:00] Yellow-Snow: he created a virus once in assembly
[05:24:00] Yellow-Snow: it said the letter u typed
[05:24:00] Yellow-Snow: so fing annoying
[05:24:00] xpis: lane: A small LED probably won't hurt the parallel port... but the parallel controller board can easily be damaged.
[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: he said "hell no" when i asked him if it was hard
[05:25:00] xpis: lane: Short it, and you've rendered your parallel port useless.
[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: who cares
[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont use it
[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
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[05:25:00] Yellow-Snow: "yea it is.. u can dmg the whole computer w/ that serial port" "if u don't know a damn thing"
[05:26:00] Yellow-Snow: "i sugged u dont try it"
[05:26:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[05:26:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you could get a usb controlled relay and turn on a red 120V light bulb during recording.
[05:27:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the serial port is much harder to damage than the parallel port.
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[05:28:00] Yellow-Snow: lol i would just let my brother do it in a second.. he builds robots and just got an interview w/ nasa for a job like that
[05:28:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho on to my next brain storm
[05:29:00] xpis: Then make him build you a mechanical indicator to tell you when the computer is recording
[05:29:00] Yellow-Snow: na hes sooo busy w/ this robot competition coming up
[05:29:00] xpis: So why don't you do the serial LED yourself?
[05:29:00] Yellow-Snow: the onlything that would stop him from 1 second is trying to find out how to link his program to myth.. ect the thing
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis i blow w/ that shit man .. i wouldn't know where to start
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: i bearly know linux
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: i just have idea's
[05:30:00] xpis: You will need to start with a serial cable that you can cut an end off of.
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: What the heck does "ect" mean ?
[05:30:00] xpis: I think it's misspelled etc
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: yea he went to some old old old pc store that had some old serial game port..
[05:30:00] Yellow-Snow: i can steal that from him
[05:31:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: I thought so, but he's used it several times now, so I thought it was another "I'm too lazy to type out the words" kind of thing
[05:31:00] Yellow-Snow: lol i cant spell well also
[05:31:00] Yellow-Snow: give me 0's and 1's.. ill talk to you like that
[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: Hey, I don't get on people for spelling mistakes, god knows I get my share
[05:32:00] Yellow-Snow: hehe
[05:32:00] Yellow-Snow: i do math
[05:32:00] dtm: I don't.
[05:32:00] Yellow-Snow: not english
[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: but when people like in shortform I find it annoying
[05:32:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: etc isn't english
[05:32:00] dtm: lols.
[05:32:00] Yellow-Snow: hehe
[05:33:00] Yellow-Snow: i want to put the computer in the attic or something.. if not behind the tv.. so the only thing i have to do is wire the ir longer
[05:33:00] Yellow-Snow: and u won't be able to see a thing.. why does everyone else keep it in sight?
[05:33:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I don't think you want a computer in the attic...
[05:33:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: My main frontend is like that
[05:33:00] Yellow-Snow: lol why not!
[05:33:00] Yellow-Snow: take off the case.. lots of air
[05:33:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: uncontrolled climate...
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: hahah
[05:34:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: possible moisture
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis.. thats louisiana for u
[05:34:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: way too much dust
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: yea true
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: u have a point there
[05:34:00] GreyFoxx: My main frontend is downstairs next to the master backend, but the cabling runs through the walls to the tv in my living room
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: oh nice grey
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: so why have a front end?
[05:34:00] Yellow-Snow: take off a load?
[05:34:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I'd recommend keeping it in a dry, clean, climate controlled area of your house.
[05:34:00] GreyFoxx: I have several frontends
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i agree now xpis
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: and that one was originally behind the entertainment unit, but I moved furniture around and just moved that one downstairs
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: u have the ir cable running?
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: I don't use IR to control it, I have an RF remote
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: i hate my pvr-150 remote also.. its so slow
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: ah.. see
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: thats what i want
[05:35:00] Yellow-Snow: RF i hear is better.. from what my brother told me
[05:36:00] Yellow-Snow: tho tv's are more ir b/c it messes w/ the signal
[05:36:00] Yellow-Snow: u have a universal one?
[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: Mine is a universal learning IR remote with an RF mode for talking to the usb dongle
[05:37:00] Yellow-Snow: so u have a usb wire running the whole way eh?
[05:37:00] GreyFoxx: no, that's downstairs as well
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[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: but it's still within spec if I wanted to run one
[05:38:00] Yellow-Snow: what wire is running? just the audio/video and what else for remote
[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: Just the A/V
[05:39:00] GreyFoxx: Eventually I'll get around to running a USB cable for use with the gamepad with mythgame. But I need to pick up an extender first
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[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: so how do u control the front end? yea i want to get 2 game pads and hook up the games
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i so miss mario cart
[05:40:00] GreyFoxx: I control it with my RF remote
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: RF can go downstairs?
[05:41:00] GreyFoxx: RF ..... Radio Frequency ..... yeah, it can reach downstairs :)
[05:41:00] GreyFoxx: I've got an RF keyboard as well, but that is rarely used
[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: whats the responce time? onlything i hate w/ this ir is that its slow if u r not 100% pointed at it
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: basically instantaneous
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: and I don't have to point at it
[05:42:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: it shouldn't be slow.. it might be a lirc issue
[05:42:00] Yellow-Snow: er well i have to hit the button a couple of times
[05:43:00] Yellow-Snow: untill i point at it
[05:43:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: lirc could not be recognizing your button presses sometimes due to misconfiguration
[05:43:00] Yellow-Snow: i used the default config
[05:43:00] Yellow-Snow: er that knoppmyth installed
[05:44:00] Yellow-Snow: Grey how mcuh was that remote
[05:45:00] Yellow-Snow: im sure a pretty penny
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: ummm around $70US
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[05:45:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:45:00] GreyFoxx: 3 years ago
[05:45:00] Yellow-Snow: to much for a poor college student
[05:45:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:45:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: A RF keyboard might suit you well
[05:46:00] Yellow-Snow: na
[05:46:00] Yellow-Snow: im so not using a gaint keyboard
[05:46:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you don't want to look like a total geek watching TV?
[05:46:00] GreyFoxx: The Gyration keyboard is really small. Basically a laptop keyboard
[05:46:00] Yellow-Snow: haha
[05:47:00] Yellow-Snow: oh shit hold on <insert girl of the nights name here> the keyboard is poking me
[05:47:00] Yellow-Snow: i would rather be.. GD where is the remote
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[05:48:00] xpis: As soon as news of 0.19, when it is released, hits slashdot... I wonder how many people will be in here at once trying to get help compiling.
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: xpis hehe yeah
[05:48:00] Yellow-Snow: ill be their leader
[05:48:00] GreyFoxx: and of course the hammering the mailing list
[05:49:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you're planning on compiling 0.19?
[05:49:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: (on knoppmyth?)
[05:50:00] Yellow-Snow: update via knoppmyth
[05:50:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[05:51:00] xpis: I wonder if the svn code builds cleanly on knoppmyth.. (surely it would, since it is a distribution made to run mythtv)
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: idk..
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: system runs clean.. no crashes or anything yet
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: and it looks pimp on my dads 60inch
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: i think he wants one now
[05:51:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[05:52:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you could always try following the build instructions once 0.19 is released, and report whether or not it compiles "out of the box" with environment variable or other settings needed.
[05:53:00] Yellow-Snow: lol yea b/c u know i have to follow the instructions to the T
[05:53:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: if you compile, be prepared to wait an hour or so for the compilation to finish.
[05:54:00] xpis: (start it, go do something else, then come back)
[05:54:00] Yellow-Snow: but idk man.. my box is all setup except perfect except for 1 thing.. and i dont really want to do that 1 thing myself b/c i dont want have to reformat
[05:54:00] Yellow-Snow: but i might throw in my old hd and give it a shot
[05:54:00] xpis: Compiling wouldn't mess anything up.. not unless you did a make install
[05:55:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[05:55:00] Yellow-Snow: then i would test it
[05:56:00] xpis: Hopefully whoever maintains knoppmyth will release a version with 0.19 shortly after its release, to save tons of people compiling for themselves and reporting the same errors due to a bad path setting 100 times.
[05:56:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i mean im pretty dissappointed in knoppmyth but then again pretty happy
[05:57:00] xpis: Do you want your computer to do more than be a mythtv box?
[05:57:00] Yellow-Snow: they have it all configed to set up your remote and everything.. but could use some tweakes..
[05:57:00] Yellow-Snow: nope
[05:57:00] xpis: You don't want a file server or something?
[05:57:00] Yellow-Snow: i have it.. samba
[05:57:00] xpis: How about a public web server?
[05:58:00] Yellow-Snow: oh yea i do need to set up a server
[05:58:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[05:58:00] Yellow-Snow: that also
[05:58:00] xpis: If your web server is accessable to the world, you need to make sure that you update it whenever a security update is released.
[05:58:00] Yellow-Snow: i still have to get the real dvds working.. i can't seem to do it w/o instructions so im waiting for someone who is good to vnc and fix it really quick
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: yea true but then again
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: i have nothing a hacker wants
[05:59:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: did you read and reread my instructions from the other day about what to (and not to) do?
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: oh er sorta
[05:59:00] xpis: A hacker could use your system as a spam relay. You don't want that.
[05:59:00] Yellow-Snow: oh yea true
[06:00:00] xpis: (that's what most want... either that, ddosing, or irc abuse)
[06:00:00] xpis: Or, simply making the life of the system's owner a living hell.
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: reformat
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: thats what my brother and i do for our xp system
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: if we cant find the virus then we just reformat
[06:01:00] Yellow-Snow: happens once every 2–3 years
[06:14:00] xpis: Once some really bad spyware/worms infect windows, it is almost impossible to clean. They are programmed to restart themselves and replant themselves – and block system calls that might destroy their existance. Removing them requires replacing all the tainted windows DLL files to be replaced with clean versions – which may be hard to impossible to do. (the malware replaces critical libraries with its own code that replants the malwar
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[06:15:00] ShockValue: 19 yet?!?!/  :)
[06:15:00] xpis: ShockValue: no, just keep waiting
[06:15:00] xris: lol
[06:15:00] Yellow-Snow: lol how long are we talking
[06:15:00] Yellow-Snow: week?
[06:15:00] Yellow-Snow: days?
[06:15:00] xris: Yellow-Snow: maybe tonight
[06:15:00] ShockValue: i know, im just stirring th pot :)
[06:15:00] xpis: ShockValue: it will appear some time between an hour from now and five years.
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: YES!
[06:16:00] xris: there was an informal announcement that it might happen tonight.
[06:16:00] xris: but there may be last minute bugs that delay things
[06:16:00] ShockValue: i dont really care.. 18 is running fine for me... i'll upgrade to 19 though when it comes so i can see what it does different
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: bes tthing is delay
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: take blizzard... they delay their shit over a year
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: sc
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: wc3
[06:16:00] Yellow-Snow: but when it comes out.. it runs well
[06:17:00] xpis: 0.19 will have many new features and less annoying bugs than 0.18.
[06:17:00] Yellow-Snow: like what new features?
[06:17:00] ShockValue: mythDishwasher?
[06:17:00] Yellow-Snow: lol sound?
[06:17:00] xpis: Like setting v4l modes before attempting to retrieve a frame...
[06:17:00] ShockValue: mythMowTheLawn?
[06:17:00] Yellow-Snow: we get sound yet?
[06:18:00] Yellow-Snow: i want to set my phone as a remote
[06:18:00] Yellow-Snow: since it uses RF and sony wrote a program to use it as a remote
[06:19:00] Yellow-Snow: tho i bet its not linux
[06:19:00] mishehu: mythSexorMe
[06:19:00] Yellow-Snow: it already does mis
[06:19:00] mishehu: I must not have installed that module.
[06:19:00] xpis: Time warping, live tv as a recording, telnetable frontend, much improved mythweb...
[06:19:00] Yellow-Snow: just show the ladies the box w/ the notebook saved
[06:19:00] mishehu: Let's do the timewarp agaiiiin!
[06:19:00] Yellow-Snow: and u got all the sexor u want
[06:20:00] mishehu: Yellow-Snow: except you have to sit thru that movie with them.
[06:20:00] ShockValue: yeah, thats what the ratings for movies are for... level 1 for all movies except pr0n, wich are level 4 :)
[06:20:00] xpis: And mythmowthelawn will allow you to watch grass grow on hgtv rather than deal with the consequences.
[06:20:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[06:20:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[06:20:00] Yellow-Snow: who actually uses mythphone?
[06:21:00] Yellow-Snow: make the audo better
[06:21:00] mishehu: hgtv == hairy goat tv?
[06:21:00] mishehu: heh
[06:21:00] Yellow-Snow: u can add like folders
[06:21:00] mishehu: holy gay tv actually
[06:21:00] ShockValue: mythphone = mywife. I ignore it, and she sees who it is, then I insist that i'm not home
[06:21:00] mishehu: anytime I zip past that channel there's always a flaming gay guy interior designer on that station
[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: u know.. the audio grouping should of been put in mythtv a long time ago
[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: if u have so much music.. ect
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[06:22:00] ShockValue: I'd take tips about decorating my house from a gay man before I took it from a straight man...
[06:22:00] mishehu: what type of audio grouping are you referring to?
[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: like the shows group
[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: group the band and then branch off
[06:22:00] mishehu: ShockValue: being a straight man, what are the odds I'd care about decorating my place? heh
[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: make it auto detect and u can use folders to do the same thing
[06:22:00] ShockValue: i dunno.. i kinda like a nice place to put my toys in :)
[06:23:00] dmz: anyone have slave backends?
[06:23:00] Yellow-Snow: also
[06:23:00] Yellow-Snow: make the games easy to add
[06:23:00] Yellow-Snow: or add a package
[06:23:00] Yellow-Snow: or download a package that u can run
[06:24:00] Yellow-Snow: so make games easy / add some sound to the menu / make the audio branch off in the viewer like tv shows and multi episodes
[06:24:00] xpis: One thing that really needs done is the ability to build mythtv without possibly patent infringing code, such as lame and ffmpeg
[06:24:00] Yellow-Snow: sound would be pimp
[06:24:00] Yellow-Snow: click click
[06:25:00] mishehu: we can't call them "slave" backends anymore, as it might offend some people..
[06:25:00] Yellow-Snow: LOL
[06:25:00] Freman: hehe, over clocked my cpu a little (from 100 to 133) and cut down the size of my alsa buffers... that's helped my prebuffering
[06:25:00] j-rod: good luck getting myth to build w/o ffmpeg...
[06:25:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[06:25:00] j-rod: I suppose someone could put together an ogg-theora encoder...
[06:25:00] xris: woah, j-rod is actually in the channel
[06:25:00] j-rod: :)
[06:25:00] xpis: mishehu: we better change IDE terminology also, then. Or just outlaw it and make everyone use SCSI.
[06:25:00] dmz: 2006-02–10 22:12:50.906 ReadStringList: Bad socket
[06:25:00] dmz: Remote encoder not responding.
[06:26:00] j-rod: 2nd night in a row
[06:26:00] j-rod: first time in like 6+ mo. :)
[06:26:00] mishehu: j-rod: I've seen one, but I never got it to produce anything usable.
[06:26:00] xris: j-rod: esp. now that machines are fast enough to do it
[06:26:00] xris: j-rod: glad to see you.
[06:26:00] mishehu: at least not on x86_64
[06:26:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[06:26:00] j-rod: glad to be here
[06:26:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^
[06:26:00] j-rod: and even more glad I'll be around a LOT more, starting in about a month.
[06:26:00] j-rod: even during the day. :)
[06:27:00] Yellow-Snow: yes more help for the newbs!
[06:27:00] j-rod: its basically a requirement to be on irc at my new job. :)
[06:27:00] Yellow-Snow: :: jumps with joy ::
[06:27:00] j-rod: (well, the company irc servers, at least)
[06:27:00] xris: so you got the job?! awesome
[06:27:00] xris: well, good for you, bad for seattle
[06:27:00] j-rod: yup, I start March 6
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[06:27:00] j-rod: flying to raleigh for orientation
[06:27:00] xris: fun
[06:27:00] Yellow-Snow: exciting
[06:27:00] j-rod: ya
[06:28:00] dmz: i know the cards work, cat /dev/video0 | vlc works but cant attach via mythbackend
[06:28:00] j-rod: I'll be in Seattle a few more months while we get the house sold, find a place in MA, etc.
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: yuck
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: moving
[06:28:00] dmz: MA?
[06:28:00] j-rod: Massachusetts
[06:28:00] dmz: ugh
[06:28:00] j-rod: I'm moving cross-country for a new job
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: j-rod
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: u getting a pod?
[06:28:00] j-rod: a pod?
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: for moving
[06:28:00] j-rod: ah
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: load pod.. tell them when u want it deleverd
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: tho they cost a shit load
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: but makes moving so much better
[06:29:00] j-rod: not sure exactly yet
[06:29:00] dmz: so any ideas on slave connect problems?
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: a lot less stress
[06:29:00] dmz: so no move coverage?
[06:30:00] j-rod: a shitload of stuff will get moved at RH's expense
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: good stuff
[06:30:00] j-rod: and I get a chunky lump sum to cover additional costs
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: use it for apod
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: XPIS i apoint you to be the leader
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: of the Guide+ project
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: =)
[06:31:00] xpis: Reverse engineering the Guide+ thing would be quite a task... and I might get sued by Gemstar for daring to violate their click through agreement against reverse engineering.
[06:31:00] Yellow-Snow: suck it up!
[06:31:00] xpis: And I'm sure they've obfuscated the code to make reverse engineering harder.
[06:32:00] Yellow-Snow: oh if you are not good enough
[06:32:00] Yellow-Snow: u could of just said so
[06:32:00] Yellow-Snow: ...
[06:32:00] Yellow-Snow: ill find a new leader who is smarter.. faster.. better..
[06:34:00] xpis: ... and willing to reverse engineer Gemstar's PVR software?
[06:34:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[06:34:00] dmz: outsource outside usa
[06:34:00] Yellow-Snow: =)
[06:35:00] xpis: Or.. someone could do it anonymously and post it to slashdot anonymously using tor.
[06:35:00] xpis: Then, a project could incorporate said code
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[06:36:00] Yellow-Snow: there u go leader
[06:36:00] Yellow-Snow: ! ahah well its bed time
[06:36:00] xpis: It would be best though to find someone in a country where reverse engineering is legal to do it openly and release the code under the GPL
[06:37:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^ time to get contacts
[06:37:00] Yellow-Snow: well enough crazy ideas for tonight
[06:37:00] xpis: If I reverse engineered it and wrote code, being in the US, anyone who used it could potentially be sued by Gemstar.
[06:38:00] xpis: Gemstar makes money with ads in the TV listings
[06:38:00] Yellow-Snow: thats why you are the leader
[06:39:00] Yellow-Snow: du!
[06:39:00] xpis: Reverse engineering it would make the data free of ads, breaking their business model. They would break out the lawyers.
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[06:40:00] ShockValue: is there an option burried somewhere that will give me audible feedback on selections?
[06:40:00] xpis: If someone were to write specs on the Gemstar protocol for me, I could write code implementing it and release it under the GPL.
[06:41:00] ShockValue: like a little tick sound or something when i move up and down and select etc
[06:41:00] dtm: i wonder if anyone has ever bought anything due to ads in tv listings. they're there to find and/or view tv, with no interest or method for buying anything. i suppose that simple subconscious imprinting is all it's worth.
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[06:55:00] ShockValue: no (mcdonalds) i've never (cheerios) bought anything (ipod) due to (levis) advertising.
[07:00:00] xpis: I also wonder if Gemstar would attempt to use the DMCA to take down any open source Guide+ listings. Even though this would probably not hold up in court (the protection doesn't prevent copying, it prevents use), they still may be successful.
[07:03:00] ShockValue: do you think i would win the nobel peace prize for going back in time and un-creating Ann Geddes?
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[07:07:00] xpis: You'd win the Nobel Physics prize
[07:08:00] ShockValue: Yeah,thats all fine and good for the time machine.. but what about stopping Ms Geddes? That's got to be worth something
[07:10:00] xpis: uh.. inventing time travel would not net you any peace prizes
[07:11:00] xpis: quite the opposite
[07:12:00] ShockValue: well right.. .Physics for time travel.. Peace prize for Anne Geddes.. It's a double whammy
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[07:12:00] ShockValue: I bet i could shake the presidents hand and everything!
[07:17:00] fryfrog: rar, 2.6.15 has sata SMART support!
[07:20:00] laga: /topic
[07:20:00] laga: sorry
[07:21:00] ** dmz wonders if there is an ivtv channel **
[07:23:00] fryfrog: i think its ivtv-dev
[07:24:00] fryfrog: now i can finally monitor those 7x sata drives :)
[07:33:00] j-rod: been monitoring my sata drives for a while
[07:33:00] j-rod: 3ware card
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[07:35:00] j-rod: nicer than any other raid card I've played with, and waaaaay better than software raid
[07:40:00] laga: oh, hi j-rod :)
[07:40:00] ShockValue: and way more expensive :)
[07:40:00] laga: are you already preparing stuff for 0.19? ;)
[07:43:00] ** Freman cackles insanely as he linuxes the last vestages of windows out of his life... **
[07:44:00] ShockValue: im considering installing linux on my main machine again... im not currently playing any games that require windows
[07:45:00] ShockValue: and i miss amarok anyway.. that program was great
[07:45:00] j-rod: getting there
[07:45:00] j-rod: 3ware card was worth the $
[07:45:00] j-rod: and its really not that expensive
[07:45:00] Cromz: ShockValue, and if you did play windows ish games. you could try cedega :P like I do.
[07:46:00] j-rod: I'm running current svn code on my prod boxes now, not really a whole lot of difference in the setup
[07:46:00] j-rod: the bigger fun is going to be moving to fc5
[07:49:00] ShockValue: the only game im playing currently is dungeons and dragons online beta.. kinda doubt there's much cedega support for it yet :)
[07:50:00] fryfrog: j-rod: send me your 3ware! :)
[07:51:00] fryfrog: j-rod: i'd have loved to get a 8–12 port card, but for $300–500... i prefered to get a couple more drives :)
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[07:51:00] j-rod: I spent $230 on mine
[07:51:00] fryfrog: how many ports?
[07:51:00] j-rod: then spent $320 on 8 250GB SATA drives
[07:51:00] j-rod: 8 port
[07:51:00] fryfrog: does it have ram cache?
[07:51:00] j-rod: 128
[07:51:00] j-rod: MB
[07:51:00] fryfrog: shit, thats cheap as balls
[07:51:00] j-rod: 3ware 9500s-8, PCI-X
[07:52:00] fryfrog: all the 3wares i was looking at were like $500
[07:52:00] j-rod: can upgrade the cache to 256MB too
[07:52:00] fryfrog: nice
[07:52:00] j-rod: eBay
[07:52:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[07:52:00] fryfrog: i'm running linux kernel software raid, it actually does very nice
[07:52:00] j-rod: There's a 9550sx card out now that's replacing the 9500
[07:52:00] fryfrog: 5x 320G dries
[07:52:00] j-rod: sw raid is horseshit compared to the 3ware card
[07:52:00] fryfrog: 1–3% cpu usage during disk writes
[07:52:00] j-rod: I've used lots of sw raid
[07:53:00] fryfrog: sure, depends on what your doing too
[07:53:00] j-rod: 3ware cards are flat-out amazing
[07:53:00] MissActek: Get an ARECA card. :P
[07:53:00] fryfrog: i saw an awsome 24 port SATA server chassis
[07:53:00] j-rod: yeah, I've seen good reports on those
[07:53:00] ShockValue: yeah, but if all your machine is doing is serving files off a software raid.. who cares if it uses some CPU?
[07:53:00] fryfrog: with 2x 12 port 3ware cards...
[07:53:00] fryfrog: OMG!
[07:54:00] fryfrog: ShockValue: yar, thats my opinion
[07:54:00] j-rod: because the 3ware card also does lots of other things
[07:54:00] fryfrog: If I were building a server class system, i'd go hardware raid
[07:54:00] j-rod: like auto-verify the health of your disks on a schedule
[07:54:00] ShockValue: not that im denying that 3ware cards are nice.. but sometimes it's not really a deal
[07:54:00] j-rod: have actual functioning hot-swap/hot-spare failover
[07:54:00] j-rod: remote management tools
[07:54:00] fryfrog: but for my wimpy myth/file server, kernel raid saves some $$$ and doesn't really cause any issues
[07:55:00] j-rod: yeah, I know
[07:55:00] j-rod: :)
[07:55:00] fryfrog: so far "hot-swap" is the onlything unique :)
[07:55:00] j-rod: tw_cli
[07:55:00] fryfrog: and since sata is *supposed* to be hotswap, i wonder if software can handle it
[07:55:00] fryfrog: i don't wanna test it :0
[07:55:00] fryfrog: also...
[07:55:00] ShockValue: remote management tools = ssh :)
[07:55:00] fryfrog: I really want a supercharger for mah car :/
[07:56:00] fryfrog: ahha
[07:56:00] fryfrog: yeah, ssh and/or smartd
[07:56:00] fryfrog: and kernel software raid supports hotspares
[07:56:00] fryfrog: still, if someone *gave* me a 3ware for free... i'd say yes please!
[07:56:00] j-rod: /apollo> /c0 show
[07:56:00] j-rod: Unit UnitType Status %Cmpl Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVerify IgnECC
[07:56:00] j-rod: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[07:56:00] j-rod: u0 RAID-5 VERIFY-PAUSED 0 256K 1396.92 ON ON ON
[07:56:00] j-rod: u1 SPARE OK  –  – 232.877  – ON -
[07:56:00] j-rod: Port Status Unit Size Blocks Serial
[07:56:00] j-rod: ---------------------------------------------------------------
[07:56:00] j-rod: p0 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VNRJ3EC6CPLPHM
[07:56:00] j-rod: p1 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VNRJ3EC6CN3RBM
[07:56:00] j-rod: p2 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VNRJ7HC6CHZ1SM
[07:56:00] j-rod: p3 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VN6J3ECFEE13ND
[07:56:00] fryfrog: kthx
[07:56:00] j-rod: p4 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VN6J3ECFEE10SD
[07:56:00] fryfrog: don't spam
[07:57:00] j-rod: p5 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VN6J3ECFED87MD
[07:57:00] fryfrog: pastebin.com
[07:57:00] j-rod: p6 OK u0 232.88 GB 488397168 VNRJ3EC6CPMZAM
[07:57:00] j-rod: p7 OK u1 232.88 GB 488397168 VNRJ3EC6CPUSXM
[07:57:00] j-rod: takes way too much effort
[07:57:00] j-rod: for only 10 lines
[07:57:00] fryfrog: nobody here wants to see 10 lines of crap ;)
[07:57:00] j-rod: tough
[07:58:00] j-rod: :)
[07:58:00] j-rod: (15 lines, actually)
[07:59:00] Freman: umm.. pastebin?
[07:59:00] j-rod: Um, what about it?
[08:00:00] fryfrog: ummm, load it in your browser!
[08:00:00] ** j-rod knows all about pastebin **
[08:00:00] fryfrog: obviously, since you pasted your crap into channel ;p
[08:00:00] fryfrog: but i was talking to Freman who appears to *not*
[08:01:00] j-rod: k
[08:02:00] j-rod: /dev/sda2 1.4T 523G 782G 41% /storage
[08:02:00] fryfrog: mmm, 1.4T
[08:02:00] j-rod: beefy
[08:03:00] j-rod: awesome throughput on it too
[08:03:00] fryfrog: whatcha test with?
[08:03:00] fryfrog: hdparm?
[08:03:00] j-rod: sysbench
[08:03:00] j-rod: iozone
[08:03:00] j-rod: dd
[08:04:00] fryfrog: any diff between iozone and piozone?
[08:04:00] j-rod: I don't know piozone
[08:05:00] fryfrog: test w/ fs mounted or?
[08:05:00] j-rod: sysbench needs it mounted
[08:05:00] j-rod: iozone mounts and unmounts the volume a bunch of times
[08:05:00] fryfrog: i didn't see sysbench in portage
[08:05:00] fryfrog: oh, humm i think i'll skip iozone for now :)
[08:05:00] j-rod: http://sysbench.sourceforge.net/
[08:06:00] j-rod: iozone takes a LONG time to run
[08:06:00] j-rod: actually, that page is a bit outdated
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[08:07:00] j-rod: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sysbench/ is more up to date
[08:07:00] fryfrog: Power_On_Hours 25733
[08:07:00] MissActek: If I just want to display the TV guide and maybe play AVIs and such on my TV, is MythTV for me?
[08:07:00] fryfrog: 3 years of constant poweron!
[08:08:00] fryfrog: MissActek: you don't want to *record* shows like tivo?
[08:08:00] j-rod: 3ware card also does automatic sector remapping if bad blocks are encountered during a verify scan
[08:09:00] fryfrog: er, modern drives do internal bad block handling
[08:09:00] MissActek: fryfrog: Maybe later when I buy a digital DV card.
[08:09:00] fryfrog: by the time the os or anything can see em, your pretty much screwed
[08:09:00] j-rod: if you get to them
[08:09:00] fryfrog: MissActek: its probably a little much *just* for watching avi/tv guide data
[08:09:00] j-rod: the auto-verify scans the entire array on a set schedule
[08:10:00] MissActek: fryfrog: I like the idea of the emulator front end too.
[08:10:00] fryfrog: MissActek: i don't know what you'd do with the tv guide data, pick your channel you want to watch visually then switch to your tv/cable box?
[08:10:00] MissActek: fryfrog: Yes.
[08:10:00] fryfrog: I'd say its a bit much, but you can always *try* it :)
[08:10:00] j-rod: and not all modern drives handle bad blocks very well
[08:11:00] MissActek: fryfrog: Mm. Okay. My current second system wouldn't handle it too well, anyway, I think. But I have everything I need for a better system, save DDR ram and a graphics card.
[08:12:00] MissActek: Can anyone recommend a cheap TV out capable graphics card?
[08:12:00] MissActek: I'm looking at this Radeon 7500 at the moment, for AU$60.
[08:12:00] fryfrog: nvidia
[08:12:00] fryfrog: 5200 ish?
[08:12:00] j-rod: nvidia
[08:12:00] j-rod: GF5200
[08:13:00] MissActek: Eh, cheapest of them are $100. Any reason why?
[08:13:00] fryfrog: you sure?
[08:13:00] fryfrog: i got a 6200 pci-e for like $50
[08:13:00] MissActek: Well, this site is out of date.
[08:13:00] fryfrog: $100 for a 5200 kinda sucks
[08:14:00] MissActek: I'll phone the place tomorrow.
[08:14:00] j-rod: yeah, $100 is way overpriced
[08:15:00] MissActek: For last september?
[08:15:00] j-rod: yeah
[08:15:00] MissActek: Keeping in mind this is AUD I'm talking in.
[08:15:00] j-rod: I got a 5200 ages ago for $45
[08:15:00] j-rod: USD here
[08:15:00] j-rod: no clue what the exch rate is
[08:16:00] MissActek: Your $45 would be $61 for me.
[08:16:00] j-rod: even if its a bit more, an nVidia card is worth it over an ATi one.
[08:16:00] j-rod: ATI's driver support blows
[08:16:00] MissActek: Mm, okay.
[08:17:00] j-rod: IIRC, the 7000 series isn't even supported by their proprietary driver anymore
[08:17:00] j-rod: and tv out doesn't work w/the radeon driver
[08:17:00] MissActek: How hard is it to use framebuffer? Or would I be better off just installing X?
[08:17:00] j-rod: you have to use some funky stuff from the gatos project to get tv-out on a 7000 series radeon
[08:17:00] MissActek: Ah.
[08:17:00] MissActek: I did notice that.
[08:18:00] j-rod: I would just install X myself
[08:18:00] MissActek: And can I get it to use my PostgreSQL database, or am I tied to running mySQL too?
[08:19:00] j-rod: MySQL
[08:19:00] j-rod: there was talk about pg support, but nobody ever wrote the code
[08:19:00] MissActek: :(
[08:19:00] j-rod: really no compelling reason to use pg over mysql for most folks
[08:20:00] MissActek: Meh, I just prefer it for what I do.
[08:20:00] j-rod: You don't do much manual interacting w/the db in myth, so just set it up and let it do its thing
[08:21:00] MissActek: It's the fact I have to run 2 DB servers that's annoying me, that's all.
[08:21:00] j-rod: I think most folks end up running dedicated myth boxes
[08:22:00] fryfrog: i think she means 2 db processes :)
[08:22:00] fryfrog: and my myth server is also my file and webserver, though i already used mysql anyway
[08:22:00] MissActek: So, tell me, how adequate would this system be for MythTV? AMD AthlonXP 2800+, Galaxy GeForce FX 5200, 256 MB DDR400.
[08:23:00] MissActek: fryfrog: Yes, you're correct.
[08:23:00] MissActek: And mine would be too.
[08:23:00] fryfrog: I'd go for 512mb ram prolly
[08:23:00] ShockValue: I got the FX5200 because it was recomended and it had DVI out so i couild plug it straight into me plasma
[08:23:00] j-rod: More than adequate for SDTV on the proc and vid card
[08:23:00] fryfrog: i use a 1600+ for a non-hd frontend
[08:24:00] j-rod: note that the 5200 doesn't appear to support 1080p though
[08:24:00] j-rod: (at least, the one I have doesn't over dvi)
[08:24:00] MissActek: What's 1080p?
[08:24:00] j-rod: (while the 6200 does)
[08:24:00] fryfrog: krikey, who even has a tv that does 1080p :0
[08:24:00] j-rod: 1920x1080 progressive-scan high-definition resolution
[08:24:00] MissActek: Not needed. :P
[08:24:00] MissActek: And what about HDTV? Not adequate for playing that?
[08:25:00] fryfrog: its probably a little underpowered
[08:25:00] j-rod: For playing HDTV, definitely bump to 512MB of RAM
[08:25:00] j-rod: no, it isn't
[08:25:00] fryfrog: no?
[08:25:00] MissActek: Underpowered?
[08:25:00] j-rod: if appropriately tweaked, not underpowered at all
[08:25:00] fryfrog: ah, i thought it said 1800+ :)
[08:25:00] fryfrog: 2800+ is fine
[08:25:00] j-rod: ahg
[08:25:00] j-rod: ah
[08:25:00] MissActek: No. :P
[08:25:00] fryfrog: but i'd go with 512mb no matter what
[08:25:00] fryfrog: ram is so damn cheap :0
[08:25:00] sandos: is ram really needed for playing video? I never thoguth it was =)
[08:26:00] MissActek: Fusion HDTV DVB-T Plus Digital Terrestrial TV Tuner. Decent DVB-T card? I've read around, apparently it has GNU/Linux support.
[08:26:00] j-rod: I did *almost* get an 1800 viable for HDTV playback at one point in time
[08:26:00] sandos: its nice for filecaching though :)
[08:26:00] j-rod: GUI-caching
[08:26:00] sandos: my 1400+ is sorely lacking in HDTV ability ;)
[08:26:00] sandos: even 720p...
[08:26:00] j-rod: I actually had to jack my main frontend out beyond 512, due to the gui
[08:26:00] fryfrog: my 1600+ skips trying to play hd :)
[08:26:00] ShockValue: sandos with or without xvmc?
[08:26:00] j-rod: at 1920x1080, it scales up big and the system swapped like a bitch
[08:27:00] sandos: never tried that. I use windows for now ;)
[08:27:00] sandos: getting a new machine today though.. also a slow one, unfortunately
[08:27:00] j-rod: My 1800 could do 720p fine
[08:27:00] sandos: but maybe Ill install myth finally ;)
[08:27:00] j-rod: close on 1080i (w/deint filter)
[08:27:00] sandos: I use linux, but only remote and no GUI
[08:28:00] sandos: Im getting a SFF dell computer.. think its a p4 ~1,6Gz or so.. too bad its only got 2 free pci slots.. I wont be able to expand it to the HTPC I want it to be.. :(
[08:28:00] MissActek: Hello?
[08:28:00] MissActek: :P
[08:28:00] sandos: but I have no money to buy the hw I want so.. Ill just have to do :)
[08:28:00] j-rod: And yes, the Fusion cards are pretty decent.
[08:28:00] MissActek: Would you recommend anything else?
[08:29:00] ShockValue: hd3000
[08:29:00] j-rod: I'm in the US, so I don't know DVB cards that well, only ATSC
[08:29:00] fryfrog: air2pc maybe too?
[08:29:00] fryfrog: oh
[08:29:00] fryfrog: nm, thats US HDTV card
[08:29:00] ** j-rod nods **
[08:29:00] MissActek: I'll just go for that when I can afford it then.
[08:29:00] MissActek: The Fusion one.
[08:30:00] j-rod: Most of the Hauppauge DVB cards are pretty well supported — Steven Toth at Hauppauge has done a lot of the DVB driver work on them
[08:30:00] j-rod: (the Linux DVB driver work, that is)
[08:30:00] MissActek: What do you think the lowest end system is I could run Myth on, purely as a proof of concept/test install of playback function?
[08:30:00] fryfrog: I did it on a P3 500 w/ 256mb ram and a bttv card
[08:30:00] fryfrog: it was NASTY
[08:31:00] fryfrog: but it was enough to proof on
[08:31:00] j-rod: I had an Athlon 800 that was flawless at playing back PVR-250 recordings
[08:31:00] MissActek: So my poor little Duron 900 with a GeForce 2 GTS...?
[08:31:00] fryfrog: sure, that'd be fine to test on
[08:31:00] MissActek: Cool.
[08:32:00] MissActek: And go for Xorg, not DirectFB, you think?
[08:32:00] fryfrog: no exp with fb
[08:32:00] MissActek: Okay.
[08:32:00] fryfrog: i think either way, don't you have to do X over fb?
[08:32:00] fryfrog: i mean
[08:32:00] MissActek: Dunno. :P
[08:32:00] fryfrog: its eaither X or X over FB?
[08:32:00] fryfrog: but don't take my word for it, i've no idea
[08:32:00] MissActek: I have console and graphical GETTY (Qingy) running on it at the moment.
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[08:34:00] MissActek: Okay, thanks.
[08:38:00] fryfrog: weird, 2 of my drives are at like 180 degress and the other 5 are at 120
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[08:42:00] j-rod: ever touch a 15k rpm drive after its been busy writing? :)
[08:42:00] DCG: it hurts.
[08:43:00] DCG: anyone got irblaster on the mceusb2 devices working?
[08:44:00] sandos: oh, wow. the SFF Im getting only has 1 half-height pci slot free.. ;) Id better get SCART-RGB working on that graphics card or Ill never be able to use it as a tv-tuner.. oh.. are there half-height versions of pvr-250 etc?
[08:44:00] DCG: or have a way to get BTTV + IVTV drivers going at the same time?
[08:45:00] sandos: apparenlty they do come in low-profile versions. nice.
[08:45:00] DCG: sandos: only LP card i know is the 150LP
[08:45:00] sandos: ah yup, thats the one I found
[08:46:00] DCG: lol "When using the WinTV-PVR150 MCE with WindowsXP you need a third party TV application such as MythTV...'
[08:47:00] sandos: so.. are there any good USB remotes ;) no PCI slots left after the tuner card goes in... it has sound+gfx+ethernet built-in luckily
[08:47:00] DCG: sandos: the MCE cards come with a decent remote
[08:47:00] sandos: oh ok
[08:47:00] DCG: but you're not gonna get the irblaster to work unless somethings changed recently
[08:47:00] sandos: too bad. it has never worked?
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[08:48:00] DCG: noones done that part of the driver yet i dont think
[08:49:00] sandos: ok
[08:50:00] fryfrog: DCG: with recent ivtv, kernel and bttv you should be oaky
[08:50:00] DCG: ok
[08:50:00] fryfrog: latest ivtv uses kernel version of all modules instead of like it used to
[08:51:00] DCG: i hope
[08:51:00] fryfrog: its true, i use it :)
[08:51:00] DCG: i tried with 0.4.0 and it didnt work for me
[08:51:00] fryfrog: 2.6.15, ivtv 0.4.2?
[08:51:00] DCG: both would load
[08:51:00] fryfrog: the change was in 0.4.1 / 0.4.2
[08:51:00] DCG: but nothign worked
[08:51:00] DCG: ok
[08:51:00] fryfrog: IF you build ivtv and it makes its own tuner module, it didn't wor
[08:51:00] fryfrog: work
[08:51:00] DCG: i'll have to take the machine down for service today then.
[08:52:00] fryfrog: ivtv will build its old modules if the kernel is 2.6.14 or lower
[08:52:00] fryfrog: and use built in kernel modules if 2.6.15 or higher
[08:52:00] DCG: really stinks gatos cards don't work or i'd have a 3 tuner box
[08:53:00] DCG: ati theater 200 = gatos, right?
[09:00:00] Juski: DCG: no, not quite
[09:00:00] DCG: well, its supported by gatos
[09:00:00] DCG: anyway
[09:00:00] DCG: that all sucks
[09:00:00] Juski: is it? ok then
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[11:49:00] Juski: unfeasibly quiet in here this morning
[11:49:00] MissActek: Moo?
[11:50:00] ** dtm ponders blowing some stuff up but instead accidentally dozes off **
[11:50:00] Juski: still, it means that everybody's mythtv is working just fine ;-)
[11:50:00] Juski: and all is well with the world
[11:51:00] GreyFoxx: The calm before the new version storm ?
[11:51:00] MissActek: Ah. X has finished compiling on my little test server. I'll probably have a tone of questions very soon.
[11:51:00] Juski: I think I'll stay away when 0.19 is released
[11:51:00] dtm: Juski: yes it actually does. i'm busy viewing a stream.
[11:51:00] MissActek: And I thought it took ages to build on my /workstation/.
[11:51:00] Juski: and from the mailing list
[11:51:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Hahaha I've considered the same
[11:52:00] dtm: Juski: "GOING TRIBAL"
[11:52:00] DCG: heh, i remember how long it took to build X on my vaxstations
[11:52:00] Juski: I prefer to call it 'feral' ;-)
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[11:52:00] MissActek: DCG: Faster or slower than my Duron 900?
[11:52:00] DCG: uhm, *WAY* slower
[11:53:00] DCG: imagine a 4MHZ pentium.
[11:53:00] MissActek: Okay.
[11:53:00] DCG: yea
[11:53:00] MissActek: Wow.
[11:53:00] DCG: 4.
[11:53:00] Juski: I'll refrain from asking if it's really necessary to build X from scratch these days
[11:54:00] MissActek: My Mobile & Ubicomp professor was telling me about the machine he worked on in his youth. Some 1 KHz machine or something.
[11:54:00] DCG: Juski: it varys
[11:54:00] DCG: hahh
[11:54:00] DCG: i've got a underclocked 6502 cpu around here somewhere
[11:54:00] DCG: runs at 250KHz
[11:54:00] MissActek: Why underclocked?
[11:55:00] DCG: cause the rest of the system isnt fast enough
[11:55:00] MissActek: :P
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[11:55:00] Juski: heh
[11:55:00] DCG: i used the dirt cheap ram
[11:55:00] dtm: DCG: what's it for
[11:55:00] DCG: 300ns access time
[11:55:00] Juski: ahh dynamic ram.. I remember that
[11:55:00] Juski: or static ram I mean
[11:55:00] Juski: oops
[11:55:00] fryfrog: jesus, what do you even do with that thing?
[11:55:00] Juski: no refresh required.. life was so much simpler then
[11:55:00] DCG: absolutely nothing.
[11:55:00] fryfrog: run the space shuttle? :)
[11:56:00] DCG: nah, its dram
[11:56:00] DCG: its the cheapest dram ever made.
[11:56:00] MissActek: My first memories of computers include the IBM XTs and the relay exchange node at my father's workplace.
[11:57:00] DCG: i've got an apple II, 2 apple clone motherboards
[11:57:00] MissActek: And Dr Halo on the 80286s.
[11:57:00] DCG: and assorted random old junk
[11:58:00] DCG: i've even got an xbox "crammed" into a DEC R125F VAX Drive expansion case.
[11:58:00] MissActek: ...why?
[11:58:00] DCG: i use quotes cause the case is about 12 times the size of the xbox case.
[11:58:00] fryfrog: hahah
[11:58:00] fryfrog: so basically, you just set the xbox in?
[11:58:00] DCG: well, not exactly
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[11:58:00] DCG: its 12"x"12"x36"
[11:59:00] DCG: i've got to mount the powersupply and motherboard better
[11:59:00] DCG: right now you can't have the front of the case on cause of the xbox power cord
[12:01:00] MissActek: I heard those things are flamable. :P
[12:01:00] DCG: hehee
[12:01:00] DCG: no
[12:01:00] MissActek: Or the originals were anyway.
[12:01:00] DCG: microsoft just used a cheap vendor for the psu board
[12:01:00] DCG: the ac plug on the back of the xbox eventually breaks the solder on the board
[12:02:00] DCG: i've repaired a dozen of them
[12:03:00] MissActek: Heh.
[12:03:00] ** MissActek waits for Qt to compile. 9.9; **
[12:04:00] DCG: now if i could only get X to work on my ARM machine
[12:04:00] DCG: its got fbdev, but for some reason X doesnt agree with it
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[12:06:00] MissActek: You're trying to put X on top of framebuffer?
[12:06:00] DCG: yea, cause X doesnt natively support the LCD interface present
[12:07:00] MissActek: Ah, 'kay.
[12:07:00] DCG: yea
[12:07:00] MissActek: I think there's a special X implimentation that uses fbdev...
[12:07:00] DCG: worse the machine has only 16MB of ram, and NFS mounted swap
[12:07:00] MissActek: Or DirectFB, which in turn uses fbdev...
[12:07:00] MissActek: Ouch.
[12:07:00] DCG: i've tried fbvnc , but it complains about there not being a mouse :(
[12:08:00] MissActek: That's not it..
[12:08:00] DCG: i know
[12:08:00] DCG: but for what i want fbvnc might have been enough
[12:08:00] MissActek: Ah.
[12:08:00] MissActek: Yeah, I've heard about people doing neat things with X through vnc...
[12:09:00] MissActek: Never tried it myself.
[12:09:00] MissActek: Like, basically leaving the X session running, and getting out of it like with the screen utility.
[12:09:00] DCG: yea
[12:09:00] DCG: it works great if you don't have enough ram to run X locally, but have another machine you want to use
[12:10:00] MissActek: VNC /is/ virtual networking software, right? How does that work?
[12:10:00] DCG: its remote display
[12:10:00] DCG: like microsoft's remote desktop protocol
[12:10:00] MissActek: Mm? Odd.
[12:10:00] MissActek: Ah.
[12:10:00] MissActek: I thought that was built into X anyway? Server and client running on the same machine, and such.
[12:11:00] MissActek: But with the names switched.
[12:11:00] fryfrog: sorta
[12:11:00] DCG: you can use X, but X can start using alot of ram on the server if you have alot of windows open
[12:12:00] fryfrog: X is client, server... but its not persistant
[12:12:00] fryfrog: vnc is
[12:12:00] MissActek: Ah.
[12:12:00] fryfrog: plus its also cross platform
[12:12:00] fryfrog: you can use a vnc viewer on windows to control another winblows or a unix box
[12:12:00] fryfrog: well, X on unix
[12:12:00] DCG: X you have connections per-application between the display and the application host, with vnc you have a single connection per display
[12:12:00] MissActek: When you say lots of ram on the server... you mean the bit the user sits at right?
[12:13:00] DCG: yes
[12:13:00] MissActek: Isn't that counter-intuitive to the whole concept of the thing?
[12:13:00] DCG: backingstores, fonts, all that takes up ram on the server
[12:14:00] MissActek: Wasn't X designed like that to have very simple terminals connecting to a powerful client (which is the server :P)
[12:14:00] MissActek: ?
[12:14:00] DCG: yes, but not at 32bpp, with 30 applications running, transparency, and 4000 fonts
[12:14:00] fryfrog: and it still isn't persistant
[12:14:00] MissActek: Well, yeah...
[12:15:00] fryfrog: ie, when you logout / close your session, its all gone
[12:15:00] MissActek: My School used to have an X terminal lab...
[12:15:00] DCG: with VNC the only thing that flows over the network is the part of the screen you see, and the input back to the applications
[12:15:00] MissActek: More taxing on the network, wouldn't that be?
[12:15:00] DCG: with X the applications do *alot* of communication that isnt nessesary
[12:16:00] MissActek: Makes sense.
[12:16:00] fryfrog: X is *FAR* more bw intensive than VNC
[12:16:00] DCG: plus VNC has a variety of compression modules
[12:16:00] MissActek: And what about processing intensive for the server?
[12:16:00] DCG: they even have JPEG compression in ultravnc so you can vnc over a modem link
[12:16:00] fryfrog: do you use vnc, ultravnc or tightvnc?
[12:16:00] MissActek: None. :P
[12:17:00] fryfrog: not you ;p
[12:17:00] DCG: i use ultravnc on my windows machines, and ported a vnc client to the PSP
[12:17:00] MissActek: Oop, sorry.
[12:17:00] DCG: tightvnc on my linux machines mainly
[12:17:00] fryfrog: i'm thinking of switching from tight -> ultra
[12:17:00] MissActek: ... A sony PSP?
[12:17:00] fryfrog: the domain controller support sounds nice :/
[12:17:00] DCG: MissActek: yes.
[12:17:00] fryfrog: is ultra winblows only?
[12:17:00] DCG: fryfrog: dont think so.
[12:17:00] fryfrog: ah
[12:17:00] MissActek: Does it still work for it's original purpose?
[12:18:00] DCG: fryfrog: and i've never touched the authentication stuff in ultravnc.
[12:18:00] DCG: miss: yes
[12:18:00] MissActek: Neat.
[12:20:00] DCG: http://www.xboxopensource.com/upload/NHD/fear.jpg
[12:22:00] DCG: http://www.xboxopensource.com/upload/NHD/pspdev/B01_1057.jpg
[12:22:00] DCG: thats from long ago
[12:22:00] DCG: i've not worked on it in ages
[12:23:00] DCG: had to sell my psp
[12:23:00] fryfrog: haha
[12:23:00] fryfrog: why?
[12:23:00] DCG: crap happens.
[12:23:00] fryfrog: that sucks :(
[12:24:00] DCG: http://www.xboxopensource.com/upload/NHD/pspdev/vnc_firefox.jpg
[12:24:00] DCG: thats one of the best screens of it
[12:25:00] DCG: i shouldnt bee flooding #mythtv-users with those.
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[12:25:00] DCG: nothing really to do with mythtv
[12:25:00] fryfrog: neat
[12:25:00] DCG: though you could conceiveably use that to control mythtv.
[12:31:00] MissActek: Very neat.
[12:32:00] MissActek: I hope to get one of those Fusion cards that comes with a remote.
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[12:44:00] Juski: oh gawd... I need to upgrade portage again
[12:44:00] GreyFoxx: Is that a regular occurance ?
[12:44:00] Juski: I can still remember the last time I had to, so er... :-)
[12:45:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[12:45:00] fryfrog: you have problems when portage gets updated?
[12:45:00] Juski: had a problem last time
[12:45:00] fryfrog: ah
[12:46:00] fryfrog: one of the big changes?
[12:46:00] Juski: yeh it was
[12:46:00] fryfrog: like, use flags or sometjhing
[12:46:00] fryfrog: the big apache config file location change got me :)
[12:46:00] Juski: got me too
[12:46:00] fryfrog: was running ~x86 at the time and was like OMGWTFBBQ!
[12:46:00] GreyFoxx: hahahaha nice
[12:46:00] fryfrog: but it was a good chang
[12:46:00] Juski: ended up needing to install & run some random number generator for php to work
[12:46:00] fryfrog: ebrought it inline with standard apache setup
[12:47:00] fryfrog: weird
[12:47:00] Juski: had a guy in #gentoo stumped for a bit I can tell you
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[12:49:00] fryfrog: i wouldn't trade my gentoo box for $5 :)
[12:49:00] fryfrog: $10 maybe, but not $5!
[12:51:00] Juski: next install will be ubuntu though – make no mistake
[12:51:00] GreyFoxx: I installed that in a VMware session yesterday, haven't done more than login to it yet
[12:52:00] fryfrog: i put ubuntu on my lappy
[12:52:00] fryfrog: good desktop os
[12:52:00] fryfrog: i'd prolly go debian for server though
[12:52:00] GreyFoxx: install ctook a long time, but it was painless
[12:52:00] Juski: all I need is for mythtv & apache to work, so I'm not too bothered
[12:52:00] GreyFoxx: Though I'm disturbed that I wasn't asked abvout any of the stuff that got installed :)
[12:52:00] Juski: oh and ivtv
[12:53:00] fryfrog: choice is for bitches!
[12:53:00] fryfrog: real men take what is given and don't complain :)
[12:53:00] GreyFoxx: I don't drink the koolaid :)
[12:53:00] Juski: like communists you mean ;-)
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[12:54:00] fryfrog: like jack and ennis!
[12:54:00] Juski: bought my last ever PC Pro mag today.. it's way too windows centric... they write all this glowing stuff about MCE then casually mention it needs to be restarted every other day to stay working
[12:55:00] elvis: can anyone tell me what this link should look like: Also, check that there has been a link created in /usr/lib/qt3/mkspecs (/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs for Debian) called default
[12:55:00] Juski: shit! upgrading mjpegtools is upgrading another 42 packages
[12:56:00] Juski: the pretend option didn't tell me that
[12:56:00] fryfrog: christ, do you ever update your sytem?
[12:56:00] Juski: fryfrog: no need if it all just works
[12:56:00] fryfrog: then why are you bothering with *this*?
[12:57:00] Juski: what I mean is – I don't upgrade just because there's an update available
[12:57:00] fryfrog: if you don't want to keep everything up to date, gentoo is probably not the best distro to use :)
[12:57:00] fryfrog: do you use ~ or not ?
[12:57:00] Juski: ~ ?
[12:57:00] Juski: masked packages?
[12:57:00] Juski: sometimes
[12:57:00] fryfrog: er, ~amd64/~x86 (stable vs. unstable)
[12:58:00] fryfrog: but on a per-package basis?
[12:58:00] Juski: depends
[12:58:00] fryfrog: there is no depends
[12:58:00] fryfrog: either your make.conf has "~amd64" in it or it has "amd64"
[12:58:00] Juski: well okay then yes, on a per-package basis
[12:58:00] fryfrog: (or x86, ppc, etc)
[12:58:00] fryfrog: ah
[12:59:00] Juski: I'm nervous about this now.. good job I have backups though
[12:59:00] fryfrog: you know what sucks the most?
[12:59:00] fryfrog: to *really* have your system compiled against all the libs...
[13:00:00] fryfrog: you have to do "emerge -e system && emerge -e system && emerge -e world && emerge -e world"
[13:00:00] fryfrog: that takes for fuckin-ever
[13:00:00] Juski: yup
[13:00:00] Juski: so I might be swapping over to ubuntu today then
[13:00:00] elvis: juski can you tell me what the link should look like which should be in /usr/share/qt3/mkspecs?
[13:00:00] Juski: elvis: no idea
[13:00:00] ** MissActek drums her fingers **
[13:00:00] MissActek: Qt takes forever to compile. :(
[13:00:00] Juski: I prefer installers etc to do the graft for me ;)
[13:00:00] fryfrog: hehe
[13:01:00] fryfrog: i prefer cmd line :)
[13:01:00] fryfrog: i like apt, but portage just has so much more flexibility
[13:01:00] Juski: the only thing I'm not up to speed with yet in ubuntu is running a pxe service
[13:01:00] fryfrog: pxe as in netboot?
[13:01:00] Juski: that shouldn't take long to crack though
[13:01:00] Juski: it didn't take long in gentoo
[13:02:00] fryfrog: if you figured it out in gentoo, its probably 10x easier in ubuntu :)
[13:02:00] Juski: yeh.. if I can remember how I did it
[13:02:00] fryfrog: hehe
[13:02:00] Juski: that was about a year or so ago
[13:02:00] Juski: fix, fit & forget ;-)
[13:03:00] Juski: what I can't figure out here is why an emerge -u mjpegtools would make all the other stuff come in too
[13:04:00] Juski: but I have to confess I don't remember much about emerge
[13:04:00] fryfrog: dependencies?
[13:04:00] Juski: probably
[13:04:00] Juski: but this many?
[13:04:00] fryfrog: sure, especially if you don't keep your system/world up to date
[13:04:00] fryfrog: it probably triggered one or two, which went and triggered a ton of others
[13:04:00] Juski: maybe
[13:04:00] Juski: fingers etc crossed
[13:05:00] fryfrog: you can try "emerge -uDav mjpegtools"
[13:05:00] MissActek: Juski: I think -u works on system/world, no matter what you follow it with.
[13:05:00] fryfrog: throw in a "t" if you wanna find out where its being pulled in
[13:05:00] MissActek: emerge -avuDN world :D
[13:05:00] MissActek: And revdep-rebuild. :3
[13:06:00] Juski: what?! ooooooo shit
[13:06:00] MissActek: Hm?
[13:06:00] Juski: well it's already done 8 of 41 packages now – can't really go stopping it
[13:06:00] fryfrog: yeah, don't bother stopping :0
[13:06:00] fryfrog: you have ccache though, right?
[13:07:00] Juski: when it's done I'll see if anything's broken
[13:07:00] Juski: apache will be, for sure
[13:08:00] Juski: might take less time to install ubuntu on there than to fix everything the upgrade breaks
[13:09:00] Juski: I can get mythtv working on ubuntu with my dvb tuners in under 2 hours ;-)
[13:09:00] MissActek: Everyone seems to love ubuntu. What's so good about it?
[13:10:00] Juski: you just put the CD in & install it
[13:10:00] fryfrog: its easy like a $3 hooker
[13:10:00] Juski: it's not perfect but hey
[13:10:00] MissActek: Meh, I'd rather fart around with Gentoo. :)
[13:11:00] fryfrog: HEREHERE!
[13:11:00] MissActek: Though might not have been the best choice for a Duron 900, now that I'm installing apps that take hours to compile...
[13:11:00] fryfrog: hahaha
[13:11:00] fryfrog: you need ccache
[13:11:00] fryfrog: and *maybe* distcc if you have another box
[13:11:00] Juski: I once did a stage one on an 800mhz athlon
[13:11:00] Juski: never again
[13:12:00] MissActek: Tried distcc. Doesn't seem to work between a Duron and an Athlon64.
[13:12:00] Juski: cross compiling distcc... major fun
[13:12:00] MissActek: Stage one on a 800 MHz??? :O
[13:12:00] MissActek: OMFG!
[13:12:00] fryfrog: i beat you
[13:12:00] Juski: took almost 48 hours to get up to a desktop
[13:12:00] fryfrog: stage1 on a p3 500 w/ 128mb ram
[13:12:00] MissActek: Cheeses!
[13:13:00] fryfrog: took about a week to get it installed and compiled!
[13:13:00] Juski: shock horror – I got out riced!
[13:13:00] fryfrog: it was that myth test box
[13:13:00] fryfrog: i'd do like "emerge -e system" and just let it sit for like 2 days :)
[13:13:00] fryfrog: actually
[13:13:00] fryfrog: crap, i did even worse
[13:13:00] fryfrog: P2 233 laptop
[13:14:00] Juski: 10 of 41 now...
[13:14:00] fryfrog: but i think i did stage 3
[13:14:00] MissActek: What exactly does emerge -e system do? Remerge the contents of the system file?
[13:14:00] fryfrog: -e is "empty"
[13:14:00] fryfrog: and system is like world
[13:14:00] fryfrog: except its *only* system packages
[13:14:00] Juski: it's ironic that you spend so much time building from scratch that any performance gain you'd get must surely be outweighed by compile time
[13:14:00] fryfrog: so, the -e makes it compile *everything* from the system tree
[13:15:00] fryfrog: Juski: to me, its more about the learning experience
[13:15:00] Juski: it was for me, but I prefer to spend time doing other stuff now
[13:15:00] MissActek: Juski: Same here. I don't compile from source for performance. I compile from source because it's convenient.
[13:15:00] fryfrog: I also like being able to make my own ebuilds
[13:16:00] Juski: I don't mind compiling some things from source
[13:16:00] fryfrog: I like using the package system to install things that are not normally available
[13:16:00] MissActek: ccache installed. Shame that won't take effect for the Qt build which has been going for ages now.
[13:16:00] Juski: small things like mythtv ;)
[13:16:00] fryfrog: hehe
[13:16:00] fryfrog: or X~!
[13:16:00] MissActek: Mm. Portage is awesome.
[13:16:00] fryfrog: use flags are pretty sweet too :)
[13:17:00] MissActek: YES :)
[13:17:00] MissActek: But they're part of portage.
[13:17:00] fryfrog: true
[13:17:00] fryfrog: i know what is good about ubuntu
[13:17:00] fryfrog: its debian for teh masses
[13:17:00] fryfrog: the good ness of debian with the user-friendly ness of...
[13:17:00] fryfrog: ummm
[13:17:00] MissActek: I thought debian was supposed to be debian for the masses...
[13:17:00] fryfrog: mandrake?
[13:17:00] Juski: here's the list of stuff getting upgraded.. thank god it's not all that bad: http://pastebin.com/549708
[13:18:00] MissActek: Windoze?
[13:18:00] ** MissActek looks **
[13:18:00] MissActek: Upgraded in what?
[13:18:00] fryfrog: damn, it pulled in GCC?
[13:18:00] MissActek: Wow. :(
[13:18:00] fryfrog: its been a while since you installed gentoo, hasn't it?
[13:18:00] Juski: that's all the stuff upgrading mjpegtools is pulling in
[13:19:00] MissActek: GCC takes ages for my /workstation/ to compile.
[13:19:00] fryfrog: looks like it was X that pulled in all that stuff
[13:19:00] MissActek: Xorg 7 can't get into stable soon enough for me.
[13:20:00] Juski: oh fuck no.. didn't realise X was pulled in too... noooo!
[13:20:00] Juski: there's my weekend playing with mythburn gone then
[13:20:00] Juski: and gcc... grrr
[13:20:00] MissActek: And two versions of GCC, no less.
[13:20:00] fryfrog: the tragedy of not keeping up to date
[13:20:00] Juski: two versions?!
[13:20:00] fryfrog: the 2nd version is *just* source it says
[13:20:00] fryfrog: "NS"
[13:20:00] MissActek: 3.3 and 3.4
[13:21:00] MissActek: Oh.
[13:21:00] Juski: I might spark up my ubuntu box & play with getting PXE working
[13:21:00] MissActek: 'kay.
[13:21:00] MissActek: Didn't know what S meant.
[13:21:00] MissActek: What's PXE?
[13:21:00] fryfrog: netboot
[13:21:00] fryfrog: do your network cards ever say they are trying to load boot something or other?
[13:21:00] MissActek: I always wanted to do that some time. :)
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[13:22:00] MissActek: No, I have it disabled in bios.
[13:22:00] Juski: don't see any point in having a HDD in my frontend
[13:22:00] Juski: boot time is comparable
[13:22:00] fryfrog: i should really do that too
[13:22:00] MissActek: No, I suppose not.
[13:22:00] fryfrog: mine is some old ass 7200 10G that is loud as heck
[13:22:00] fryfrog: does your remote FE run what distro?
[13:22:00] Juski: minimyth
[13:22:00] fryfrog: ah
[13:23:00] MissActek: Mine will have a HD tho, since it's also web server, FTP server, TorrentFlux server and file server.
[13:23:00] Juski: just point PXE at the kernel & it pulls the minimyth archive off
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[13:23:00] fryfrog: neat
[13:23:00] Juski: boots in < 60 seconds to mythfrontend – not as fast as some flash people using lfs
[13:23:00] MissActek: Sounds awesome tho.
[13:23:00] fryfrog: dang!
[13:23:00] fryfrog: mine takes like 5min to boot!
[13:23:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/
[13:24:00] fryfrog: <3 backend
[13:24:00] fryfrog: That is the best workstation case i've ever used
[13:24:00] Juski: getting minimyth going needs 3 or 4 config files editing, then you're good
[13:24:00] fryfrog: owned?
[13:24:00] fryfrog: oh
[13:24:00] fryfrog: we got a roomba!
[13:25:00] Juski: wow.. that case wouldn't fit under my TV ;-)
[13:25:00] fryfrog: i think i should review it :)
[13:25:00] fryfrog: ahaha, i could probably hold my tv up with it :)
[13:25:00] Juski: get it from http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/
[13:25:00] Juski: instructions are over at www.livpvr.org somewhere
[13:25:00] fryfrog: minimyth?
[13:25:00] Juski: oops
[13:25:00] Juski: linpvr.org
[13:25:00] fryfrog: i use myth-svn :(
[13:25:00] Juski: you can do yer own builds
[13:26:00] Juski: that's very very tricky though... minimyth uses GAR
[13:26:00] Juski: I wonder if gcc & the rest not being up to date was what caused mpeg2enc to segfault
[13:27:00] Juski: there were major warnings when I compiled it I remember
[13:28:00] Juski: one question about this new X... are there any config differences I need to know about?
[13:28:00] MissActek: 6.8, or 7?
[13:28:00] Juski: 6.8
[13:29:00] Juski: going from r1 to r6
[13:29:00] MissActek: Don't think so.
[13:29:00] Juski: wouldn't have though so, but wanna be prepared
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[13:30:00] Juski: will I have to rebuild anything else with X getting upgraded?
[13:30:00] Juski: imagine I'll need to reinstall my nvidia driver
[13:31:00] MissActek: Possibly. That's what revdep-rebuild is for tho.
[13:32:00] fryfrog: nvidia is usually only for kernel rebuild
[13:32:00] fryfrog: but i spose X could cause it...
[13:33:00] MissActek: ALSA is for kernel rebuild too.
[13:33:00] MissActek: Or at least, you need to run alsaconf again.
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[13:37:00] MissActek: And STILL Qt compiles!
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[13:42:00] Redhatter-DGO: Hi All... Just trying to set up MythTV, and I notice that tables are not getting created. SQL queries either reference nonexistant tables or nonexistant columns. Has someone got an up-to-date database schema I could try, or otherwise know why these tables aren't being created?
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[13:42:00] bostonmacosx: hi all
[13:42:00] Redhatter-DGO: mythtv version is 0.19 (prerelease), MySQL version is 5.0.18
[13:43:00] fryfrog: man, i betdid you t
[13:43:00] fryfrog: balah
[13:43:00] fryfrog: did you try importing the .sql file it comes with?
[13:43:00] MissActek: Huh? Why's it need MySQL 5?
[13:43:00] fryfrog: he didn't say he needed it?
[13:43:00] Redhatter-DGO: fryfrog: you mean .../database/mc.sql? Yes, I did.
[13:43:00] MissActek: Oops, misread.
[13:43:00] fryfrog: did it not work?
[13:44:00] fryfrog: what errors?
[13:44:00] MissActek: Prerelease as prerequisite. It's late.
[13:44:00] Redhatter-DGO: fryfrog: No, it worked just fine, it created an empty database. Which is fine, the problem is that MythTV isn't creating the necessary tables correctly.
[13:45:00] fryfrog: i'm sorry, but isn't that the point of mc.sql?
[13:45:00] Redhatter-DGO: After some digging around, I've managed to piece together what some of these tables are *susposed* to look like (basically watching for INSERT instructions that fail)
[13:45:00] Redhatter-DGO: but I'm still hitting lots of errors regarding missing tables and columns.
[13:45:00] fryfrog: very basically, i'd say drop your db
[13:46:00] fryfrog: make sure you have a working, correct user
[13:46:00] Redhatter-DGO: Right, and rebuild?
[13:46:00] Redhatter-DGO: Yep
[13:46:00] fryfrog: which i spose is done by mc?
[13:46:00] fryfrog: and re-import the mc.sql file?
[13:46:00] Redhatter-DGO: I've done that several times now, but I'll do it once more ;-)
[13:46:00] fryfrog: no no
[13:46:00] fryfrog: if you've done it
[13:46:00] fryfrog: does it create any tables?
[13:46:00] fryfrog: just a few?
[13:46:00] fryfrog: none?
[13:46:00] Redhatter-DGO: None
[13:47:00] fryfrog: can you just simply get in?
[13:47:00] fryfrog: like "mysql -u root -p"?
[13:47:00] Redhatter-DGO: When I start mythtv-setup, a few get created... but it still misses critical tables like videosource
[13:47:00] Redhatter-DGO: Yep, logging in as root works fine.
[13:48:00] Redhatter-DGO: That's how I've been debugging this.
[13:48:00] fryfrog: if mc.sql isn't creating tables, thats the problem
[13:48:00] fryfrog: check mysql error log?
[13:48:00] Redhatter-DGO: I've looked at mc.sql ... there isn't a single CREATE TABLE instruction in there.
[13:48:00] fryfrog: what is in there?
[13:49:00] Redhatter-DGO: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/myt . . . ;view=markup
[13:49:00] Redhatter-DGO: ^^ pretty much what I have
[13:49:00] Redhatter-DGO: I thought this odd at first, but figured mythtv-setup must create the tables itself.
[13:50:00] fryfrog: you are right
[13:50:00] fryfrog: maybe your myth user isn't working?
[13:50:00] bostonmacosx: so what is the "hot" case of the moment?
[13:51:00] fryfrog: did you make a mysql.txt?
[13:52:00] Redhatter-DGO: No
[13:53:00] bostonmacosx: anyone?
[13:53:00] Redhatter-DGO: and the mythtv DB user works. `mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -U mythconverg` gets me into the DB as expected.
[13:54:00] Juski: Redhatter-DGO did you import the mc.sql database structure? mythtv doesn't create all the tables by itself
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[13:54:00] Redhatter-DGO: Juski: See above... yes I did, and mc.sql _only_ create the DB user and database itself, it does not create any tables.
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[13:55:00] Ubongo: hi all
[13:55:00] ** Redhatter-DGO decides to go drilling through the CVS revisions... perhaps the mystery commands are buried somewhere...? **
[13:56:00] Redhatter-DGO: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/myt . . . ;view=markup <-- Hrmm... yes they are
[13:56:00] Redhatter-DGO: dbcheck.cpp is apparently susposed to create the tables.
[13:57:00] Ubongo: I get a blank screen when I select "watch TV".....and also "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:"....what am I not doing or doing wrong?
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: Redhatter-DGO: You should have seen an error when you ran mythtv-setup if it's failing to create tables
[14:03:00] ** GreyFoxx puts on his magic hat and predicts... MySQL 5, Gentoo... UTF8 Character set **
[14:03:00] elvis: ok time to switch to gentoo
[14:04:00] MissActek: UTF8 = good.
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: MissActek: Not with MySQL 5 and myth it isn't :)
[14:05:00] Redhatter-DGO: GreyFoxx: That's the weird bit, there is no error show anywhere, unless I specify -v all. Then I might see a couple of errors from a failed INSERT or SELECT if I'm lucky
[14:05:00] Redhatter-DGO: GreyFoxx: Ahh, so it's a MySQL v5 issue?
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[14:06:00] Redhatter-DGO: The box is indeed running Gentoo, it's a crash-and-burn machine, so runs ~x86 (which means it uses MySQL v5)
[14:06:00] GreyFoxx: infact changes where put into svn this morning to default a users stuff to latin1
[14:06:00] Yellow-Snow: new release
[14:06:00] Yellow-Snow: hows it going?
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[14:06:00] Redhatter-DGO: Right, so what's the best plan of attack? Downgrade MySQL to v4.1?
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: Redhatter-DGO: You can just change the mysql5 default character set
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: then drop and recreate mythconverg
[14:07:00] Redhatter-DGO: GreyFoxx: Okay, I'll look into it.
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: look for my.cnf, somewhere in there is a default-character-set variable
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: if it's set to utf8 then it is likely your current problem
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: you can change it to latin1
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: restart mysqld
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: drop/create mythconverg
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: then launch mythtv-setup as normal.... it should create all the tables
[14:08:00] Redhatter-DGO: Yeah, /etc/mysql/my.cnf — I'll have a look later in the morning (12:08am presently) when my brain is more functional. :-)
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: hehe
[14:11:00] Redhatter-DGO: Okay, that seems to have got things rolling :-)
[14:16:00] Juski: that's gcc compiled... 17 packages down... 24 to go
[14:21:00] GreyFoxx: Hrm, this would appear to be a bug
[14:22:00] GreyFoxx: I've got the configuration setting enabled that forces a job to only be run on the backend that made the recording..... yet my slave backend is trying to run the transcode job I'm queuing up
[14:22:00] Yellow-Snow: hey what does that star mean when u are flipping through the recorded shows?
[14:23:00] Kelerion: Juski: you doing LFS or something?
[14:23:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: depends what theme you're using I suppose
[14:24:00] Juski: Kelerion: upgrading mjpegtools
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[14:24:00] Juski: so X is coming in, as is GCC etc etc etc etc etc
[14:24:00] GreyFoxx: hahahahaha
[14:24:00] GreyFoxx: sorry
[14:24:00] GreyFoxx: I just get a kick out of that sort of thing :)
[14:24:00] Kelerion: ahh okies.. on your gentoo backend?
[14:25:00] Juski: aye
[14:25:00] Juski: if I get bored waiting, I have an ubuntu CD ready
[14:25:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[14:26:00] Juski: glibc is doing its thing now
[14:26:00] Juski: whatever that is
[14:27:00] GreyFoxx: our main OS library basically
[14:33:00] Juski: this could take a wee while then
[14:34:00] MissActek: Is there a way to generate an initial xorg.conf?
[14:35:00] Juski: xorgconfigure ?
[14:35:00] MissActek: That sounds like it. :)
[14:36:00] Juski: but not actually _it_
[14:36:00] MissActek: xorgconfig
[14:39:00] MissActek: Or will X figure out that my serial mouse is there and assign it to /dev/mouse?
[14:39:00] MissActek: The kernel, sorry.
[14:41:00] Juski: xorgconfig is pretty smart usually
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[14:42:00] afm: any xine pros in here?
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[14:42:00] MissActek: Mm... friend of mine has a TI4200
[14:42:00] MissActek: How would that go with MythTV?
[14:42:00] madar: hello having problems with a haupauge pvr150mce
[14:42:00] Juski: afm: I'm pro-xine... as in I much prefer it to mplayer
[14:42:00] madar: no sound in myth but I have sound with vlc
[14:43:00] afm: i have it installed with all the plugins. xine-check says ok to everything
[14:43:00] madar: also installing it has removed my /dev/dsp entry thus ruining my ablity to use skype
[14:43:00] madar: any ideas what I can do to fix this?
[14:43:00] afm: when i pop in a disk, it plays 2 previews, then shows the dvd menu...but exits instead of looping, and I can't click on play or anything on the menu
[14:44:00] afm: my drive is /dev/dvd1 and i'm calling 'xine dvd1' to start the disk
[14:46:00] MissActek: Nobody can suggest how well a GeForce Ti4200 would work with MythTV?
[14:46:00] Juski: MissActek: prolly quite well
[14:47:00] Juski: but won't work with xvmc
[14:47:00] Juski: tv output quality might be a bit iffy too
[14:47:00] Juski: YMMV ;-)
[14:51:00] MissActek: xvmc?
[14:52:00] MissActek: What's that?
[14:53:00] GreyFoxx: x video motion compensation... basically hardware mpeg decoding assistance
[14:54:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u add favorite channels in mythtv? is that mythtv-setup?
[14:54:00] MissActek: And what would work with that?
[14:54:00] MissActek: An FX 5600, say?
[14:55:00] Juski: fx5200 even
[14:56:00] Kelerion: Yellow-Snow: "?" toggles a channels favorite status
[14:56:00] MissActek: And anything ATI is a no-no, right?
[14:57:00] GreyFoxx: No, it's just that many seem to have problems with getting it going, plus they don't release driver updates often
[14:57:00] GreyFoxx: so nvidia is usually recommended
[14:58:00] MissActek: But between a GeForce Ti4200 and a Radeon 9800 XT?
[14:59:00] Juski: bear in mind that xvmc won't work with ATI cards
[14:59:00] Juski: I think that's about the only brickbat with em though
[14:59:00] GreyFoxx: personally I'd buy a cheap nvidia card  :) MX440 or up
[15:00:00] MissActek: If I can get my hands on a Ti4200, an FX 5600, and a Radeon 9800 XT, then which is best for MythTV?
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: I'd go with the 5600
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: but remember, that's not really "best for myth"
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: It's just best driver support, and likely good tv out
[15:01:00] Juski: nvidia TV encoders are nice
[15:01:00] MissActek: Mm...
[15:01:00] Juski: so are ATI's but paying all that cash for a flat unaccelerated video card is a bit much I think
[15:01:00] Juski: which is basically what you're getting in linux
[15:02:00] Juski: unless you're gonna be gaming much of course
[15:03:00] MissActek: I might make use of Myth's emulator frontend...
[15:06:00] MissActek: Hm. Error inserting the nvidia module...
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[15:07:00] hfghfh: how do i fix a problem with to big fonts and button that are drawn outside the screen in myth
[15:09:00] hfghfh: normal functions like main meny videolibrary and so on is just fine, but as soon as i want to change a setting i cannot not see the prev, next and finish buttons at the bottom of the screen
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[15:11:00] Juski: pfft
[15:11:00] Juski: someone hasn't done any reading up, I can tell
[15:12:00] Juski: try the appearance menu in the setup screens
[15:12:00] Juski: you can rescale the GUI
[15:12:00] Juski: try setting it to 95% of what your screen resolution is in the X & Y directions
[15:13:00] Juski: or reduce the amount of overscan on your TV out
[15:18:00] hfghfh: yes, but its not the size of the drawing canvas that is the problem, the problem is that myth is drawing the buttons outside the canvas.
[15:19:00] Juski: no... it's not
[15:19:00] Juski: it's just that you can't see them on your TV ;-)
[15:20:00] Juski: with X & Y sizes of zero, mythtv will use the full desktop resolution.. which probably extends past the visible edges of your TV screen
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[15:20:00] hfghfh: now i have a resolution of 800x600, if then change the height setting to 500 if just get a smaller myth seeing the desktop behind it. but still the buttons are not shown at all or just som part of the button
[15:21:00] Juski: so 500 isn't big enough
[15:22:00] Kelerion: 19 seconds for a divx transcode.. thats gotta be a new record :)
[15:22:00] hfghfh: no, the screen is 600 and i can se the full desktop at that setting. also the main mythprograms does not have this problem. its just all settings menus that is drawing its widgets to big or outside of the screen
[15:23:00] hfghfh: what i mean is, its not an overscan issue.
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[15:23:00] darkdrgnk2k: Hey, can any one point me on how to transcode a DIVX to PSP?
[15:24:00] hfghfh: also in mythweather the biggest fonts are to large to be drawn.
[15:25:00] hfghfh: i have tried to force the dpi to 100 but it does not help
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[15:32:00] darkdrgnk2k: can any one point me on how to transcode a DIVX to PSP?
[15:33:00] madar: anyone here have experience with a Haupauge PVR150MCE ?
[15:33:00] afm: madar, i've got mine working
[15:34:00] madar: yeah I have lost my /dev/dsp
[15:34:00] madar: and I'm not sure how to get it back
[15:34:00] madar: myth has no sound but the card does
[15:34:00] madar: and I don't have sound for stuff like skype
[15:35:00] darkdrgnk2k: madar: ive had that problem.. when i reboot it comes back
[15:35:00] madar: any ideas?
[15:35:00] darkdrgnk2k: madar: try the ALSA driver
[15:35:00] madar: no I'm past that :) I've rebooted for several days
[15:35:00] madar: ha
[15:35:00] madar: Alsa for myth?
[15:35:00] darkdrgnk2k: madar: yeh its like alsa:mixer
[15:35:00] darkdrgnk2k: or somethign like that i dont remember
[15:35:00] madar: I've rerun alsaconf
[15:36:00] madar: but it doesn't fix it
[15:36:00] darkdrgnk2k: -> /dev/dsp is ossd emulation of alsao
[15:36:00] afm: alsamixer will help you set the pcm level to none 0..but has nothing to do with the pr150
[15:36:00] madar: I see
[15:36:00] madar: where is the sound device at then?
[15:36:00] madar: I have some stuff in /dev/snd
[15:36:00] darkdrgnk2k: alsa:something
[15:37:00] madar: but I don't know what that stuff is
[15:37:00] afm: what kind of sound card?
[15:37:00] darkdrgnk2k: change the drevice from
[15:37:00] darkdrgnk2k: -> /dev/dsp to ALSA:default
[15:38:00] darkdrgnk2k: If you'd like to use ALSA, you'll need to correctly setup your asoundrc file. Configuring this file is beyond the scope of this HOWTO. Once ALSA is working correctly, change the output sound device in mythfrontend->setup->Audio from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default. This field may be edited to suit your ALSA requirements.
[15:38:00] madar: okay let me try that and check back thanks
[15:39:00] madar: where is this sound config at?
[15:39:00] madar: backend?
[15:39:00] darkdrgnk2k: frontend
[15:39:00] darkdrgnk2k: no
[15:39:00] darkdrgnk2k: mythfrontend->setup->Audio from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default. T
[15:39:00] darkdrgnk2k: frontend plays the music!
[15:39:00] darkdrgnk2k: backend doesnt play music at all
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[15:48:00] MissActek: Hmm. Looks like my current test card (GeForce 2 GTS) is no longer supported by nVidia. What now?
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[15:53:00] elvis: anyone here using gentoo with mythtv?
[15:55:00] squeegy: yes
[15:55:00] Arkkis: yes
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[16:04:00] elvis: what should I put in USE for only mythtv support?
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[16:06:00] herbstzu: hi
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[16:06:00] bostonmacosx: hi
[16:06:00] bostonmacosx: better nick
[16:06:00] bostonmacosx: haha
[16:08:00] bostonmacosx: anyon actually here....
[16:09:00] bostonmacosx: What I'm looking for is a good silver desktop case...
[16:09:00] Kelerion: nope – all those people on the right are actually a figment of your imagination
[16:09:00] bostonmacosx: well a lot of people just log in and sit
[16:09:00] Kelerion: silverstone, pundit etc etc are all nice cases
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[16:10:00] bostonmacosx: silverstone are pretty expensive....
[16:10:00] bostonmacosx: no power supplies either
[16:11:00] bostonmacosx: i'm trying to keep this under like $500...
[16:12:00] Kelerion: I paid 70 UKP for my silverstone case.. and am extremely happy with it
[16:12:00] Kelerion: I didn't think that was too bad for a nice case
[16:13:00] bostonmacosx: so about 10 US
[16:13:00] bostonmacosx: 100
[16:13:00] bostonmacosx: whic one?
[16:13:00] Kelerion: can't remember it's name now.. lc03, lc07 something like that
[16:13:00] Kelerion: desktop style
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[16:14:00] bostonmacosx: ok
[16:14:00] bostonmacosx: what power supply did you pair with it?
[16:15:00] Kelerion: a Hiper 550
[16:16:00] bostonmacosx: quiet?
[16:17:00] Kelerion: noticable.. but only when nothing is on the TV
[16:17:00] bostonmacosx: ok
[16:17:00] ** Juski can hear his PSU if he puts his ear right next to the LC02 case ;) **
[16:17:00] bostonmacosx: it is out in the open or in a cabinet
[16:17:00] Kelerion: open frontend cabinet
[16:18:00] bostonmacosx: mine has doors...
[16:18:00] bostonmacosx: so juski what are you using?
[16:18:00] Juski: bad for ventilation, cabinets with doors
[16:18:00] Juski: silverstone lc02
[16:18:00] Juski: proper waste of money in hindsight
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[16:18:00] Kelerion: the antec cases are quiet popular too
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[16:20:00] bostonmacosx: yeah the overture...
[16:20:00] bostonmacosx: it is open in the back
[16:20:00] bostonmacosx: therefore I get a nice temepered glass look and good ventelation
[16:20:00] bostonmacosx: ;)
[16:20:00] Juski: dammit – 40 files in /etc need updating.. sheesh!
[16:20:00] bostonmacosx: or overture II
[16:21:00] Juski: one for later.. ttfn
[16:21:00] Kelerion: have fun juski :)
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[16:24:00] MissActek: There's hundreds of guides saying how to set up your nvidia for TV out, and none of them seem to suggest what to do if you're ONLY using a TV.
[16:24:00] BradDaBug2: any ideas how to get rid of the black bar at the top of my tv?
[16:24:00] MissActek: I mean, what do you do for the monitor section?
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[16:32:00] BradDaBug2: does overscan not work in the latest nvidia drivers?
[16:32:00] BradDaBug2: because i can't tell any difference between 0 and 1.0
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[16:32:00] aztek: hey everybody
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[16:36:00] aztek: i have a question ( yes don't we all :) ) its about the menu respone time on my keyboard or my remote
[16:36:00] aztek: when i go into my videos list it takes about 5–6 secondes before i get a list of my videos
[16:37:00] aztek: my sort mode is set to list ( so you get like 6 directorys anime,feature movies,music clips,etc )
[16:37:00] aztek: why does it take zo long
[16:37:00] ole_schoola: bostonmacosx: check out the System 2 from Active Thermal Mgmt for closed door cabinets
[16:37:00] ole_schoola: http://www.activethermal.com/System_2_Family.htm
[16:37:00] aztek: don't know if anybody knows this or needs some extra info or if this is a know problem with mythtv
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: aztek: It's reading through the files and pulling DB records for them. And if you are running 0.18 it's very inefficient in how it pulls the data
[16:38:00] ole_schoola: i use them all the time on installs in the popular media cabinets
[16:38:00] aztek: ah ok thx
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[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: svn/0.19 is much faster
[16:38:00] aztek: is there away around this should i run the svn
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: plus you can tell it to not bother pulling data from thedatabase at all
[16:39:00] aztek: where can i do that because i don't really care about that kind of stuff at this point
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: I use videolist as well, and I configured it to not bother loaded any metadatafrom the database
[16:40:00] GreyFoxx: Sweet, new mvpmc out today
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[16:41:00] ole_schoola: bostonmac: never mind, i just read it's open back, doh
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[16:43:00] aztek: euhz greyfoxx where can i deactivate the metadata ( is it a option in the menu or some where in de config files )
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: there are no config files other than mysql.txt
[16:45:00] GreyFoxx: its in the video settings under mythfrontends setup menu
[16:47:00] aztek: ok thx will look for that then
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[16:48:00] aztek: ( i was with config files i was refering to the myth files i thought you could edit some of them )
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[17:00:00] BradDaBug2: is there a way to tweak overscans by hand in nvtv?
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[17:00:00] BradDaBug2: or do i have to use a preset?
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[17:01:00] techgeek_us: Hidy-ho
[17:02:00] techgeek_us: anyone not a bot?
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[17:08:00] aztek: euhz i think i am not a bot :P
[17:08:00] techgeek_us: cool, can I fire off a problem at ya?
[17:08:00] GreyFoxx: never ask if you can ask, if it's myth related just ask :)
[17:09:00] techgeek_us: ahh, another live one. here goes..
[17:09:00] techgeek_us: first issue is with font size
[17:09:00] techgeek_us: it's not really clear to me what I need to do..
[17:09:00] techgeek_us: in mythmusic and mythstream, only the top of some fonts are displayed
[17:10:00] techgeek_us: half are cut off
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[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: Got a screenshot of what you mean ?
[17:10:00] Juski: so the font's too big.. or the text area in the theme page is too small
[17:10:00] techgeek_us: I tried editing gdm.conf based on some stuff I found to set the dpi to 100 but it didn't work
[17:11:00] Juski: likely suspect there is the font the theme needs isn't installed – myth substitutes fonts & the replacement may not fit
[17:11:00] techgeek_us: no screenshot right now, sorry
[17:11:00] techgeek_us: ahhh
[17:11:00] techgeek_us: would I be able to determine that by frontend messages if I start it in a window?
[17:11:00] Juski: possibly, yes
[17:12:00] techgeek_us: let me give that a try, brb
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[17:13:00] wole: evnin all
[17:13:00] aztek: kinda have the same problem in some windows ( bottem 10 or 15 procent of some text is missing in some windows ) wil be watching what happens
[17:14:00] wole: has anyone had any success using vmware player running linux/mythfrontend on a windoze box?
[17:15:00] GreyFoxx: wole: I've been doing that for almost a year
[17:15:00] wole: GreyFoxx: does it work well? What distro?
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: I use the same vmware session for mostof my development work
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: works well enough, Slackware
[17:16:00] techgeek_us: no font messages but there are some theme errors..
[17:16:00] ** wole feis shock that GryFoxx isn't using gentoo ;) **
[17:16:00] wole: *feins
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: ugh
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: no :)
[17:16:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:16:00] techgeek_us: I'm using retro, btw, but it happens with other themes
[17:18:00] techgeek_us: got a: XMLParse::LoadTheme(): Can't open: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Retro/music-ui.xml
[17:18:00] wole: Just to let you all know, I have y xbox frontend up and running, and its slooooow, but with only 64 mb of ram that's what i expected. I'm gonna try optimising it a bit to see if i can make it any better.
[17:19:00] techgeek_us: got a: XMLParse::LoadTheme(): Using default theme file
[17:20:00] GreyFoxx: One ofthese days I have to get around to setting up a frontend on an xbox for a friend. He's been bugging me for a while heh
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[17:21:00] techgeek_us: mythweather also has font problems, but it seems to be more theme specific
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[17:35:00] Kyler: Since switching to ivtv 0.6 my recordings are very dark. I've used ivtvctl to set the brightness higher but it seems that everytime MythTV records a new program the value is reset. Any pointers on setting it for all recordings?
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[17:37:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: That sort of thing is stored per channel, check out mythtv-setup in the channel editor
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[17:40:00] Kyler: I looked at that yesterday and didn't see it. Also, I'd really like to avoid having to set it for every (new) channel.
[17:40:00] Kyler: Is there a way to keep Myth from messing with it?
[17:41:00] madar: Hi, I managed to screw up my display setting for myth and now it opens at some ridiculously low lever
[17:41:00] madar: leve
[17:41:00] madar: l
[17:41:00] madar: doh
[17:41:00] madar: what file can I change this in for my settings as I can't change it in the myth gui
[17:41:00] madar: because I can't read it properly to navigate back
[17:44:00] Kyler: GreyFoxx: ...and I still don't see any video settings in the channel editor.
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[17:45:00] Kyler: Hmmm...if MythTV calls ivtvctl I could intercept it...
[17:45:00] TUplink: i cant get MythGame to work it tells me "this version of xmame is not supported"
[17:46:00] TUplink: any ideas?
[17:46:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: I haven't looked for them for a long time, I'd have to take a look, no it doesn't use ivtvctl
[17:46:00] Kyler: GreyFoxx: Yeah, I just discovered that...bummer.
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: TUplink: Either downgrade xmame, or configure a wrapper script to fake it (there is one floating around the net) or update to svn which is nolonger tied to specific versions of xmame
[17:47:00] GreyFoxx: or wait a few hours for 0.19's release and update them
[17:48:00] madar: sounds like Kyle is looking for video settings stuff, can someone tell me what conf file holds video settings?
[17:48:00] madar: mine are hosed
[17:48:00] TUplink: i dont know much about xraper or wth that is
[17:49:00] TUplink: can you help?
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: I just highlight a channel in the channel editor, hit enter, the second settings page is contrast, brightness, etc etc
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: TUplink: no, cause I don't use one
[17:49:00] TUplink: i have ben on google for houts looking for an anwser
[17:49:00] Kyler: GreyFoxx: will try...
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[17:49:00] TUplink: will 0.19 be in myth-studio?
[17:49:00] TUplink: for redhat?
[17:50:00] ShockValue: 19 out yet!?!?!?1?!?  ;)
[17:50:00] GreyFoxx: no idea, mythtv.org only puts out source code, others do up packages
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[17:51:00] TUplink: well wo know how to fame xmame version?
[17:51:00] TUplink: an what version is needed?
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: yes, with a wrapper script that intercepts the calls to xmame and returns afake value
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: I think it's 0.97
[17:53:00] Kyler: GreyFoxx: I see it now. Blech. Gotta figure out where the default values are hardcoded...
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: Happily myth game no longer cares what version or if you have xmame at all
[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: Kyler: in the source
[17:53:00] Kyler: GreyFoxx: ya think?
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[17:53:00] GreyFoxx: Yes
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: considering what the defaults are :)
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: If you want to change every channel you could do it in the databsae
[17:54:00] GreyFoxx: assuming you are comfortable with SQL
[17:54:00] Kyler: (I was being sarcastic. The source would be the only place to hardcode things.)
[17:54:00] Kyler: Channels are too dynamic. I'd rather change it in one place.
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[17:55:00] Kyler: The other option is to tweak ivtv so that it remaps brightness levels appropriately.
[17:56:00] Kyler: I'd almost rather much with it than get into Myth's code.
[17:56:00] Kyler: (much -> muck)
[17:56:00] GreyFoxx: why not adjust the values in the database? Hell if you wanted every channel to have the same brightness it would be a single sql query
[17:57:00] techgeek_us: I have played with the x and y settings to get mythfrotend to fit properly on my screen, however live tv is still cut off. If I tell mythfrotnend to use the gui settings for live tv playback, the picture is too small. I'm using a PVR-350s tv-out. Is there a happy medium somewhere?
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[17:58:00] Kyler: techgeek_us: Ug. I've gone through this, but not with PVR-350 TV out (Mini-IT
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: tv out is suppose to be overscanned or as you say "cut off"
[17:58:00] GreyFoxx: I'm not sure if the menu option to make video playback the same size as the menu works for the pvr350 output or not
[17:58:00] Kyler: ...Mini-ITX TV out). It was a pain to get right but I recall twiddling it in two places.
[17:58:00] kristok: I have 2 Avermedia M179's, and the fans on them are disgustingly loud
[17:59:00] kristok: anyone have suggestions on ways to make them quiet?
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: oil them ?
[17:59:00] techgeek_us: GreyFoxx: I understand, however it cuts off too much of the picture. My old TV was ok but this new (used) one isn't so great.
[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: replace them ?
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[17:59:00] GreyFoxx: I used some sewing machine oil on some video card fans and now they are dead silent
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[17:59:00] techgeek_us: kristok: The best thing I did was to put my fe/be in the basement and run my tv out over coax to the living room
[18:00:00] kristok: techgeek_us: i don't really have that option
[18:00:00] kristok: techgeek_us: besides, i have a pretty case :-)
[18:01:00] techgeek_us: kristok: bah! the beauty is in hiding the technology, imho
[18:01:00] kristok: techgeek_us: we use it as our dvd player too, so it needs to be easily accessed
[18:02:00] techgeek_us: kristok: understandable, I just use my stand-alone DVD player
[18:02:00] kristok: techgeek_us: one of these days, i'll just do a remote frontend...
[18:03:00] techgeek_us: kristok: as soon as the commercial skip code is implemented for the Hauppauge MediaMVP, I'll probably buy one of those.
[18:03:00] Kyler: O.k., it looks like saa7115 is responsible for setting the brightness of a PVR-250. The value was changed from 0x88 to 0x80 in the mainline kernel.
[18:03:00] Chutt: if you can find one, i believe they're discontinuing the mvps
[18:03:00] Chutt: or at least replacing them
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: supposedly replacing with model that supports wireless and might include hardwre mpeg4 decoding
[18:04:00] techgeek_us: chutt: ebay is my friend, or maybe I can get a good closeout deal
[18:04:00] Chutt: radioshack already had the closeout deals :p
[18:04:00] techgeek_us: damn
[18:04:00] kristok: i'd still go for the remote frontend – put a dvd drive in it and you can remove another box from your living room
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: They released a new version of MVPMC today, eventually I'll get it ready to play with
[18:05:00] Chutt: have they done any of the new livetv code yet?
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: not sure, I didn't see it specifically mentioned in the change summary though
[18:05:00] kristok: GreyFoxx: these fans you put oil on – were they pretty loud to begin with, or "not too bad"
[18:05:00] GreyFoxx: and I haven't noticed it in the commit list, but I've been ignoring most of them
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: kristok: really loud to start out
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: a couple drops of oil and they have been silent for the last year
[18:06:00] GreyFoxx: but of course, ymmv
[18:06:00] kristok: i'll have to try that
[18:06:00] kristok: of course
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: "support for latest MythTV protocol (version 26)" , but nothing specifically mentioning the LiveTV stuff
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[18:07:00] BradDaBug: how do you start mythfrontend via ssh?
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: I'll fire it up and give it a try
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: BradDaBug: and have it display on your regular X output ?
[18:07:00] techgeek_us: DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend &
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: "ISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend&"
[18:07:00] techgeek_us: as the mythtv user
[18:07:00] GreyFoxx: with a D at the start :)
[18:08:00] GreyFoxx: Man this mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode/cutting is nice.
[18:08:00] kristok: will it be in 0.19?
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[18:09:00] kristok: cool
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[18:09:00] BradDaBug: thanks
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: you can cut without actually transcoding
[18:09:00] BradDaBug: btw
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: quick too
[18:09:00] techgeek_us: nice
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[18:09:00] kristok: i have a butload of shows i need to chop down
[18:09:00] GreyFoxx: I did 15 recordings in about half and hour
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: that included editing while some were being processed in the background
[18:10:00] kristok: im always hovering around just enough disk space that if we leave for a few days, we're worried we may run out
[18:10:00] GreyFoxx: kristok: setup auto expire or a minimum freeespace :)
[18:11:00] BradDaBug: hmm... anyway to remotely enable telnet access to mythfrontend?
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: or set limits on how many copies certain shows can have
[18:11:00] kristok: yeah, but most stuff we have, i don't want to get rid of
[18:11:00] techgeek_us: kristok: or buy a drive and use LVM, I've got over 500GB currently
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: Brad: the new svn telnet interface ?
[18:11:00] kristok: techgeek_us: we have almost 600G
[18:12:00] BradDaBug: i guess... what is that?
[18:12:00] GreyFoxx: there is a new telnet control interface to mythfrontend
[18:12:00] techgeek_us: kristok: yikes! I noticed awhile back that we are currently recording more than we can watch, so the available space is slowly but surely decreasing
[18:12:00] BradDaBug: then i guess that's what i want
[18:12:00] BradDaBug: but it says i have to enable it from within myth
[18:13:00] GreyFoxx: that's where you go to enable the config option
[18:13:00] kristok: techgeek_us: yeah, we too have way more than we watch, but it tends to go down during the "off season"
[18:13:00] GreyFoxx: otherwise you have to do it directly in the database
[18:13:00] GreyFoxx: and I don't know the exacty value that needs to be set
[18:13:00] techgeek_us: braddabug: when you get that working, you may want to consider tunneling it through SSH.
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[18:28:00] GreyFoxx: 12~
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[18:31:00] laga: re
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[18:34:00] BradDaBug2: i don't seem to be getting and video
[18:34:00] BradDaBug2: *any
[18:34:00] BradDaBug2: static
[18:35:00] ** Juski pops into #gentoo **
[18:36:00] laga: heya Juski
[18:37:00] Juski: hiya laga.
[18:37:00] Juski: upgraded mjpegtools today & it unleashed hell
[18:38:00] laga: nice
[18:38:00] laga: well, to me, hell isn't necessary a bad thing. what happened?
[18:40:00] Juski: ended up with a huge list (42) of config files that need updating & I haven't a clue how critical (if at all) they are
[18:40:00] Juski: xorg.conf can be discounted – I can handle that one ;-)
[18:40:00] laga: well, i suggest you read up on 'etc-update' – quite easy to handle :)
[18:41:00] Juski: yes but I don't know what most of these files do  – I can't just barge in & say 'yes'
[18:42:00] Juski: http://pastebin.com/550041 if you want to take a look
[18:42:00] Juski: posted in #gentoo aswell.. no takers so far
[18:42:00] laga: i believe it can show you the difference
[18:42:00] laga: s
[18:42:00] Juski: it does, yes, but...
[18:43:00] Juski: updating this many confile files at once is a nightmare
[18:43:00] laga: i suppose, if you never changed these config files, it's safe to overwrite them. make sure to get backups, i don't know if/how etc-update handles this
[18:43:00] kavorka: Juski: try dispatch-conf
[18:43:00] Juski: I think you get the choice of backing up
[18:44:00] laga: still no 0.19. *drool*
[18:44:00] Juski: here but for the grace of God here go I...
[18:45:00] kavorka: Juski: try dispatch-conf...its quicker and safer
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[18:45:00] Juski: how's it safer?
[18:45:00] Juski: does it back everything up?
[18:45:00] Juski: ahhh... good man page :)
[18:46:00] laga: hehe. RTFM :))
[18:46:00] kavorka: Juski: see /etc/dispatch-cond.conf
[18:46:00] awb4422: any hd3000 users in here?
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[18:46:00] Juski: I'm precisely the kind of person who shouldn't be using Gentoo
[18:46:00] laga: Juski: ubuntu? :)
[18:46:00] Juski: yep.. and soon
[18:47:00] Juski: just need to crack PXE boot configging in that then I can make the swap
[18:47:00] kavorka: Juski: you can archive the replaced conigs
[18:47:00] kavorka: err..configs
[18:48:00] laga: Juski: pxe boot/nfsroot is not hard on debian at all. maybe i can give you a few hints then :)
[18:50:00] Juski: all merged
[18:50:00] Juski: think I panicked
[18:50:00] laga: happens to all of us ;)
[18:50:00] kavorka: Juski: /etc/config-archive...safety net
[18:50:00] Juski: I shat meself when I saw emerge -u mjpegtools was gonna upgrade X & GCC though
[18:51:00] Juski: thought about the comment you made laga – if I'd not changed the files in the 1st place why worry too much ;-)
[18:52:00] laga: Juski: hehe :)
[18:52:00] Juski: okees.. that done I can now try mythburn again
[18:53:00] Juski: if it works I'll upgrade it to version 2
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[18:53:00] laga: Juski: well, upgrading..mythburn2 is not quite ready yet :)
[18:53:00] Juski: haha there _had_ to be a catch
[18:53:00] laga: Juski: wanna read the announcement? /msg me your email
[18:53:00] laga: ;)
[18:53:00] laga: let me know how it goes, i haven't had much weekend yet ;)
[18:54:00] Juski: I've had enough of a weekend already.. watched who knows how many 24 episodes today
[18:54:00] Juski: and shopped
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[18:55:00] Juski: d'oh
[18:55:00] laga: hehe. school + shopping + girlfreind was exhausting enough. looks like i'm g0onna get wasted soon ;)
[18:56:00] BradDaBug2: xawtv doesn't seem to work either :(
[18:57:00] Juski: got wasted last night.. did the job, though ended up going into an online chat I'd not visited for ages & learnt an acquaintance of mine has died.. still feel a bit dumb
[18:57:00] Juski: *numb
[18:57:00] laga: Juski: you got mail
[18:57:00] Juski: okees
[18:58:00] laga: Juski: sorry to hear that :/
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[19:00:00] Juski: well I'll be sure to have a few beers for him in future, he can count on that :)
[19:00:00] laga: hehe :)
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[19:02:00] Juski: oh arse. I redownloaded the original mythburn & didn't make the file changes.. derrr
[19:03:00] Juski: good thing i kept the old uns
[19:03:00] ole_schoola: laga: was that announcement regarding mythburn2?
[19:03:00] laga: ole_schoola: yep
[19:04:00] ole_schoola: i'm just about to go down the mythburn route
[19:04:00] ole_schoola: stay with the original you say?
[19:04:00] Juski: it might make you wanna go down the burnyourhousedown route
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[19:04:00] laga: i haven't tried the second one yet, but that's still in its early stages and there is no UI yet.
[19:04:00] ole_schoola: i did it before with a stable 18.1 system, have fresh amd64 svn system now
[19:06:00] Z-Morek: I'm using the rpms at atrpms right now, and I kinda want to compile on my own, should I just wait for the .19 release or use svn
[19:07:00] ole_schoola: that's a loaded question ;)
[19:07:00] ole_schoola: a) have you done it before (compile from source) and b) how much time you got?
[19:07:00] Z-Morek: a) total noob, but able to follow directions
[19:07:00] Juski: here we go again... projectx doing its thang
[19:08:00] Z-Morek: b) not much as of right now, but I have no plans tonight
[19:08:00] Z-Morek: it's gonna snow here in a bad way
[19:08:00] Z-Morek: I'll be stuck at home
[19:08:00] Juski: so unplug the phone, flip open a beer & dim the lights ;-)
[19:08:00] Z-Morek: I'm under 21.... SHHHHHHH
[19:08:00] laga: so what?
[19:08:00] laga: move to the right country. :)
[19:08:00] ** laga ponders getting a beer.. :> **
[19:09:00] Juski: like over-21s can drink responsibly? ;-)
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: I might take a trip to canada later this winter
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: ski
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: drink
[19:09:00] laga: Juski: well, i drink more responsible than i did at the age of 13 ;)
[19:09:00] ole_schoola: laga: you mean where footballs are round?
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: ski
[19:09:00] laga: ole_schoola: yep!
[19:09:00] laga: Z-Morek: just skip skiing.
[19:09:00] Juski: Ju ski? I don't ;-)
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: heh
[19:09:00] laga: argh, more bad puns
[19:09:00] Z-Morek: I could drink myself to oblivion at home, why go somewhere else?
[19:09:00] ole_schoola: Juski, you so funny, make me laugh looong time
[19:10:00] laga: ole_schoola: rotfl
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[19:10:00] Z-Morek: random: am I a loser for using azureus on my windows rig or should I use the leet microtorrent
[19:10:00] Juski: the irony of it all
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[19:10:00] laga: Z-Morek: ssshhh! no torrenting here :)
[19:10:00] Z-Morek: my b
[19:10:00] Kyler: O.k., I think I fixed my problem with ivtv being too dark. I hardcoded the brightness and contrast settings in saa7115.c. Now Myth can't change them. It's icky but it should be stable.
[19:11:00] Z-Morek: so we can talk about drinking but not torrents? :-P
[19:11:00] ** ole_schoola goes looking for the fish **
[19:11:00] laga: Z-Morek: the MPAA won't raid your house for drinking. ;)
[19:11:00] Juski: beer torrents?
[19:11:00] Z-Morek: heh
[19:11:00] Z-Morek: anyways
[19:12:00] ole_schoola: i'll put up a tracker for a Jabernero lager if ya want
[19:12:00] ** Juski tries to remember how many people owe him beers so he can call them in at LugRadioLive2006 **
[19:12:00] laga: no, beer sharing sucks
[19:12:00] Z-Morek: I'll pop on here tonight if I need assistance in migrating from rpms to svn
[19:12:00] Z-Morek: should I keep using rpms for everything else tho?
[19:12:00] laga: Z-Morek: sounds like a plan :) i believe there is a guide for that at wiki.mythtv.org
[19:12:00] laga: Z-Morek: of course.
[19:13:00] Z-Morek: ivtv?
[19:13:00] laga: yep
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[19:13:00] Juski: no, compiling from source is much more l337
[19:13:00] laga: Juski: go hump your gentoo or something ;)
[19:13:00] ole_schoola: z-morek: the wiki guide is pretty god, Jarod has references at the bottom of Tips and Tricks as well
[19:13:00] Z-Morek: I used the wilsonet guide to setup my rig as is
[19:13:00] Juski: hump – another word for fucked.. it might already be that after my work today
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[19:13:00] laga: Juski: time to get religious, huh?
[19:14:00] Juski: I'll just never reboot it :-)
[19:14:00] Z-Morek: powerout?
[19:14:00] laga: ups?
[19:14:00] Juski: in the UK? not unless I unplug it
[19:14:00] Z-Morek: mmmm
[19:14:00] Z-Morek: what if a M$ hitman came into your house and thug batted your linux rig
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[19:15:00] laga: Z-Morek: once again, he is *not* located in the US. :)
[19:15:00] laga: he still has rights or so
[19:15:00] Juski: hmmm there's always that.. wait a sec... no I've got black helicopter insurance
[19:15:00] Z-Morek: they've got no 2nd amendment in the UK
[19:15:00] Juski: yet
[19:15:00] Z-Morek: no gun toting hilbillies
[19:15:00] Juski: don't bank on it
[19:16:00] Z-Morek: :-\
[19:16:00] elvis: hmm gentoo takes soooo long :(
[19:16:00] Juski: have another burger, elvis
[19:16:00] Z-Morek: yeah so funny story
[19:16:00] Z-Morek: on my first attempt at setting up myth
[19:16:00] Z-Morek: on my first dedicated linux rig ever
[19:16:00] Z-Morek: I tried to use debian
[19:17:00] Z-Morek: and compile from source
[19:17:00] Z-Morek: myth
[19:17:00] Z-Morek: that was an interesting time
[19:17:00] Juski: first contact for me was with slack... 3 hour install.. then a login prompt.. what?! no desktop?! arghhh.. off it went
[19:18:00] ole_schoola: Z: you should have a fun filled evening then
[19:18:00] Z-Morek: that was a long time ago
[19:18:00] ole_schoola: i'll be around
[19:18:00] Z-Morek: I didn't even know ANY bash commands
[19:18:00] Z-Morek: I still don't know many :-P
[19:18:00] Z-Morek: but I at least now ls
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[19:19:00] Z-Morek: technically my first linux install ever was mandrake I think
[19:19:00] Z-Morek: I dual booted on my windows rig
[19:19:00] laga: my first linux box was something based on slackware. i only could access the internet as root so i went to a chat room and asked how i could have a regular user access the internet. they immediately banned me because i was root :/
[19:19:00] Z-Morek: decided it was entirely pointless because I can't game easily on linux, so I ditched it and stayed windows on my primary rig
[19:19:00] ole_schoola: my first was Suse
[19:19:00] Juski: ah the good old days when everyone was a snob
[19:20:00] laga: Juski: they're still bastards like that.
[19:20:00] Z-Morek: yeah
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[19:20:00] Z-Morek: at times
[19:20:00] Z-Morek: depends on where you go
[19:20:00] laga: yep
[19:20:00] seme: hi guys.... anyone know why when I try to rip a dvd I get the message "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD".... the dvd plays fine
[19:20:00] laga: ircnet *shrug*
[19:20:00] ole_schoola: Juski: in the old days, there were no noobs
[19:20:00] Juski: I think that using linux makes you like that.. certainly made me less helpful in recent times
[19:20:00] Z-Morek: heh
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[19:20:00] Juski: either that or it's stoopid noobs
[19:20:00] Z-Morek: I usually am much too ignorant to help
[19:20:00] laga: Juski: yep. we've become bitter bastards.
[19:21:00] laga: Juski: i'd rather spend the time i dedicate to user support on hacking
[19:21:00] laga: or improving other skills than just my karma :)
[19:21:00] Z-Morek: okay gotta go
[19:21:00] ole_schoola: in the old days (before the www) if you were smart enough to get on usenet, you had enough brains to figure out much of the rest
[19:21:00] Z-Morek: I'll be back later
[19:21:00] Z-Morek: and I WILL migrate to svn
[19:21:00] Z-Morek: mark my words
[19:21:00] laga: cu Z-Morek. have fun :)
[19:22:00] Juski: back in the day.. they only pr0n was ascii art ;)
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[19:22:00] Z-Morek: I finally figured out how to ssh so this might be easier than my original install looking at a small tv glancing at my computer like 10 feet away squinting for the next direction
[19:22:00] Juski: and characters appeared onscreen as they still do in films, accompanied by the line printer sound
[19:22:00] ole_schoola: well, now you're reaching bck to the mid-seventies and I know you weren't hacking about then
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[19:23:00] seme: aaah... mtd was not running or at least it had died
[19:23:00] ** laga kicks the dbiox **
[19:23:00] Juski: ole_schoola: on my degree the terminals we used in 1991 were just like that
[19:24:00] laga: degree..i should get that as well :)
[19:24:00] Juski: they did have 2 xerox cad stations though
[19:24:00] Juski: oh I didn't actually _get_ the degree... I can't do hard sums, or at least haven't found the right tutor yet
[19:24:00] ole_schoola: Juski: ah, you are old enough to member the good ole days
[19:24:00] laga: ouch ;)
[19:25:00] Juski: got as far as laplace transforms with matrices & then they totally lost me
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[19:25:00] techgeek_us: anyone know where to get a mythrecipe rpm for fedora c4? the downloaded version doesn't compile too well with an apt install of myth
[19:25:00] seme: one thing that is anonying about mythtv is that it won't allow me to do multiple things at once... like rip a dvd and play my mp3s....
[19:25:00] ole_schoola: as much as i hated it, i now use fourier t's all the time
[19:26:00] Juski: this is what annoyed me most about my course. everyone who did well – all they were doing was cramming & memorising stuff. that's not learning IMHO
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[19:27:00] laga: seme: that'll probably come in 0.20
[19:27:00] seme: Juski: its part of it ;)
[19:27:00] ole_schoola: i had chinese TA's at Purdue
[19:27:00] ole_schoola: one of them started the semester like this:
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[19:27:00] seme: laga: yeah... I have to start contributing to mythtv... I been getting it to work all day today.... Once I get everything worked out and understand it enough I'm going to download the src and start working on it
[19:27:00] seme: there is so much I wish it could do
[19:28:00] ole_schoola: "Math is like a Earth, it has sshape, substance, feelings. It's spirit is in the air."
[19:28:00] laga: seme: hehe, nice :) i'd suggest that you get mythtv from SVN. 0.18.1 is like 10 months old (or so) and the release of 0.19 is imminent
[19:28:00] ole_schoola: I immediately found an american tutor for that class
[19:28:00] laga: ole_schoola: hehe
[19:29:00] Juski: seme: yeah remembering facts & stuff – it's all good.. but they took the biscuit... everything we got was like "if you copy this down & write it out enough times til it's engraved on your synapses, you'll get 100%"
[19:29:00] Juski: one day I'll revisit calculus & whoop its ass
[19:30:00] laga: the thing that's keeping me from getting a job in CS is that i totally suck at math. :)
[19:30:00] Juski: maths != being good with computers
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[19:30:00] ** lane shudders at the mention of laplace transforms **
[19:30:00] ole_schoola: maths == getting good paying job in CS
[19:30:00] laga: Juski: i know. but you can't good study computer science without being good at maths :) but maybe i'm gonna do computer linguistics, that sounds interesting
[19:31:00] Juski: ahhh
[19:31:00] lane: laga: that's what I do. language is much nicer than math
[19:31:00] Juski: g2g warm a curry or 2 up with some high power radio frequency energy ;-)
[19:31:00] xris: ole_schoola: so how's it work when your degrees are philosophy and anthropology?
[19:31:00] laga: lane: really? do you have to do a lot of maths?
[19:32:00] Captain_Murdoch: anyone here got a FusionHDTV card?
[19:32:00] lane: my highest math class was auditing calc 1 as an undergrad
[19:32:00] ole_schoola: xris: how's what work?
[19:32:00] lane: now, I wouldn't necessarily recommend that, but it is possible
[19:33:00] laga: lane: well, german school system works different so i've probably seen more math than you ;). but it's good to hear that computer linugistics might be the right thing for me, espeically because i love language and computers :)
[19:33:00] lane: laga: doing natural language processing still does involve knowing some math, but there's plenty that doesn't
[19:33:00] xris: ole_schoola: I paid my way through school doing tech work... when I got out, programming paid more than "consulting" (which no one could even tell me what it was)
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[19:34:00] lane: laga: you in gymnasium? university?
[19:34:00] ** xris wonders how drunken laga passed the abitur... **
[19:35:00] laga: xris: not yet. :)
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[19:35:00] laga: lane: gymnasium, 12th grade.
[19:35:00] ole_schoola: xris: got it. yeah, i had EE degree but started my corp life in IT because of all the PC/network experience from part time during school
[19:35:00] laga: 1.5 years left :)
[19:35:00] xris: laga: ahh, thought you were in uni...
[19:36:00] laga: xris: nope. ask me again i n a few years :)
[19:36:00] ole_schoola: xris: cool degrees btw
[19:36:00] xris: ole_schoola: my boss has an EE degree.. now he's president of a multi-million $$$ company.
[19:36:00] xris: ole_schoola: I like them... my MA is from uchicago, too.
[19:36:00] lane: Once I get upgraded to a version of ivtv and myth that support closed captioning, I keep thinking that I should use my nlp skills to enhance the commercial detection code by detecting commercials using their cc text.
[19:36:00] laga: xris: i once knew a guy who got out a bottle of booze during his oral examination. he didn't pass.. ;)
[19:36:00] xris: hahaha
[19:37:00] xris: hmm, still no .19.
[19:37:00] laga: lane: it's possible that mythcommflags checks for CC in SVN. you might wanna search www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/
[19:37:00] ole_schoola: xris: hung up my suits (ala Scott Adams) and went back to real work, now own a CI contracting company
[19:37:00] lane: laga: the most I saw was people slipping baileys into their hot chocolate or coffee mugs and taking that to class
[19:38:00] lane: ole_schoola: suits? in a CS job?
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[19:38:00] ole_schoola: laga: an old roommate of mine was asked to take drug test by his new boss, he asked if he'd get extra credit if he brought his bong
[19:38:00] laga: ole_schoola: did they kick him out? :)
[19:38:00] ole_schoola: lane: IT for a telco R&D facility
[19:39:00] ole_schoola: laga: nope, it was all tongue in cheek, everyone knew what was up
[19:39:00] lane: hmm. t-shirts and jeans for me. If I wore a suit I'd be asked where the interview is
[19:39:00] xris: ole_schoola: cool.
[19:39:00] xris: lane: same here.
[19:39:00] ole_schoola: i worked the MAC / UNIX / General side of things
[19:40:00] xris: even the owners wear shorts in the summer.
[19:40:00] ole_schoola: we handled all move add changes for telco and NW as well
[19:40:00] ole_schoola: the Unix crew was a diff story
[19:40:00] lane: yeah. I won't mention the name of the company, but let's just say in the old days everyone wore standard-issue blue suits
[19:40:00] ole_schoola: shorts, sandals, t-shirts, lycra
[19:40:00] lane: glad that's not the case now :)
[19:40:00] ole_schoola: hippy mountain climber types
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[19:42:00] madar: Hi my pvr150mce and mythtv are not getting along, everytime I run mythfrontend the screen resolution switches to something very bad
[19:42:00] xris: ole_schoola: mine are all bikers.... team riding after work in the summer.
[19:42:00] madar: only seeing about 1/4 of the display on screen
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[19:42:00] ole_schoola: xris: roadies? omg, the worst
[19:42:00] madar: any ideas on how to reset this
[19:42:00] xris: madar: what version of ivtv, and what resolution are you recording at?
[19:42:00] madar: the card works fine with vlc
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[19:43:00] madar: 4.2
[19:43:00] madar: not sure how can I tell resolution?
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[19:44:00] madar: i've totally pulled out everything myth related and reinstalled it but the problem persists
[19:44:00] xris: madar: go into recording profiles
[19:44:00] madar: this makes me think it's something with ivtv but I don't know how to fix it...
[19:44:00] ole_schoola: our router and security expert was a true geek — brewed beer. the Point-to-Point Porter was awesome
[19:44:00] madar: recording profiles is where?
[19:44:00] xris: madar: make sure you're recording at 720x480 (or 576 for pal)
[19:45:00] xris: madar: settings/tv, I think
[19:45:00] xris: been so long since I've been there, I forget
[19:45:00] ole_schoola: settings/tv
[19:45:00] lane: xris: guess it wasn't your stuff that was holding up the 0.19 release after all
[19:45:00] madar: I can't use the frontend for myth the display is all messed up
[19:45:00] madar: only seeing about a quarter of the screen
[19:45:00] xris: madar: thought you said it was only for tv
[19:45:00] xris: lane: apparently not
[19:45:00] madar: and I have to restart x to make it go back to normal
[19:46:00] Chutt: it was
[19:46:00] madar: huh?
[19:46:00] Chutt: i just didn't stay up late last night to do the release.
[19:46:00] madar: tv works with vlc just fine
[19:46:00] ole_schoola: funny, it just "discovered" #1250 last night and was getting ready to report it
[19:47:00] madar: but myth insists on going to something where I only see a quarter (or less) of the screen so I can't even navigate the gui to change things
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: And were you messing with the GuiX/Y and offset settings ?
[19:48:00] madar: maybe
[19:48:00] ole_schoola: what Greyfoxx said
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: I don't think it's a maybe
[19:48:00] xris: Chutt: sorry. heh. but figured it was something like that.
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[19:48:00] madar: I did something in the myth settings a couple days ago and it's been hosed ever since
[19:48:00] laga: madar: you messing with the xrandr extension?
[19:49:00] madar: tried wiping out myth altogether but it hidden files and all and reinstalling but the problem persists
[19:49:00] madar: not sure what xrandr is?
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: hidden files ?
[19:49:00] GreyFoxx: What hidden files ?
[19:49:00] madar: .mythtv
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[19:50:00] madar: everything wiped off the system and reinstalled
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: And did you wipe the databae since that is where everything is stored ?
[19:50:00] Chutt: err, none of the settings are in .mythtv
[19:50:00] Gumby`: does anyone know if there is a way to test a bttv tuner remotely to see if the card is recording properly? something like cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg for a ivtv card?
[19:50:00] madar: oh well then where are they so I can fix them?
[19:51:00] Chutt: in the database.
[19:51:00] madar: removed it too
[19:51:00] madar: and made a new one
[19:51:00] madar: or at least I think I did
[19:51:00] ole_schoola: Chutt: still three tickets open, 1250 seems somewhat-non-trivial
[19:52:00] madar: deleted all of the mythconverge dir
[19:52:00] Chutt: ole_schoola, err, no.
[19:52:00] Juski: lane: good call on the cc text recognition of adverts... hahah.. another weapon in the arsenal.. I like that ;)
[19:52:00] ole_schoola: madar: i though the same thing after droppoing mythconverg last week, it didn't take, double check
[19:52:00] Chutt: 1250's likely a mythweb bug.
[19:52:00] Chutt: since it really doesn't do everything properly.
[19:52:00] Ubongo: I get a blank screen when I select "watch TV".....and also "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:"....what am I not doing or doing wrong?
[19:52:00] madar: any idea what I should try next?
[19:53:00] xris: Chutt: that's the thing I mentioned on the developers list the other day
[19:53:00] ole_schoola: Chutt: i did use mythweb to reproduce, how bout that
[19:53:00] ** ole_schoola cracks a whip in xris' direction **
[19:53:00] xris: ole_schoola: I created that ticket
[19:53:00] Chutt: but, whatever, i don't really care :p
[19:54:00] xris: dunno how I forgot to fix it last night. hang on, it's a quickie
[19:54:00] ole_schoola: i know, xris, jk. i'm on svn anyways so the release is NBD for me ;)
[19:56:00] xris: Chutt: so you think a valid solution would be to just set the recpriority of the override to 99?
[19:57:00] Chutt: ask bruce
[19:57:00] seme: anyone have any recommendations for a remote control for my mythtv box
[19:57:00] seme: ?
[19:57:00] ** xris grumbles about not knowing anyone's nic. **
[19:57:00] ole_schoola: trained monkey, buy lots of diapers
[19:57:00] xris: seme: I use a logitech wireless keyboard.
[19:58:00] seme: xris... yeah but what about for general use... you use a keyboard for that as well?
[19:58:00] xris: seme: yup
[19:58:00] seme: hrm....
[19:58:00] ole_schoola: i have early MCEUSB and ACK-581 IR keyboard
[19:58:00] seme: anyone using a secondary touch screen to control it?
[19:58:00] ole_schoola: not available in myth yet
[19:58:00] ole_schoola: coming down the pipe
[19:59:00] ** ole_schoola drools over Silverstone LC17 **
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: seme there is a new network interface to control frontends in there now, and I've started playing with a interface for my touchscreen to control it
[20:00:00] GreyFoxx: so eventually there will be something
[20:00:00] ole_schoola: touchscreens tend to behave like a mouse which myth doesn't play nice with
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[20:02:00] ole_schoola: proprietary touchscreens should work well, though
[20:02:00] ole_schoola: any IR repeater based touchscreen that is
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[20:03:00] GreyFoxx: I assumed he meant Touchscreen monitor/screen, wasn't considering remotes heh
[20:04:00] ole_schoola: i initially did as well
[20:04:00] ole_schoola: as soon as myth has mouse support, it will all fall into place
[20:07:00] GreyFoxx: If it ever does have fully working/any working mouse support :)
[20:07:00] ole_schoola: installed one of these http://www.ada-usa.com/2003-index-split.html in December
[20:07:00] ole_schoola: very tres cool
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[20:08:00] xris: ole_schoola: sounds very expensive. heh
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: I just play with one of these : http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . nMythTV&
[20:08:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a couple laying around
[20:09:00] ole_schoola: xris: they are — bling, bling for the rich assholes, fun to play with though
[20:09:00] xris: ole_schoola: I bet
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[20:12:00] xris: I only get to play with the fancy high-end computer parts...
[20:12:00] xris: and only mainly look at those since it's not my dept.
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[20:12:00] ole_schoola: one of my installers fitted a pop-out, fold-up touchscreen into his Civic, neat stuff
[20:13:00] ole_schoola: xris: that was my old life :)
[20:13:00] ole_schoola: 100's of thousands of other people's money at my disposal
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[20:14:00] xris: ole_schoola: I knew it was bad when we built a rack for MIT that was worth more than my house
[20:14:00] ole_schoola: after awhile, you never realized you were signing a PO request for half a million
[20:17:00] coffee88: Evening all. Seeings as the Radio Times site seems to be down at the mo, I thought I'd try to tune the xmltv stuff for the channels I use, and I realised I don't really get it. Any good guides?
[20:17:00] Juski: coffee88: it's pretty simple ;-)
[20:18:00] Juski: what do you need to know exactly?
[20:19:00] coffee88: Juski: I though it should be... But I get lots of "channel not seen on site" etc messages, and I'm sure I'm pulling down more info than I need ot, or do you always get all of the listings?
[20:20:00] Juski: the not seen on site messages are pretty common – and generally aren't channels I've got or care a stuff about
[20:20:00] seme: GreyFoxx: thats awesome... can I help?
[20:20:00] Juski: that's more down to the xmltv channel id file being out of date than anything else
[20:20:00] seme: GreyFoxx: what kind of touch screen do you have?
[20:21:00] coffee88: Some are channels that I actually have, and still seem to get listings, so I guess i'm grabbing them by number not name.... It's no big deal though. Just feels like something I should/can tune....
[20:21:00] xenic_: Am I missing something or has the 'warn me when exiting live tv if timeshifted' (or something similar) option been removed in 0.19 ?
[20:21:00] Juski: coffee88: radiotimes is up now.. just popped onto the xmltv section & all seems well
[20:22:00] xenic_: upgraded from 0.18.1 for ubuntu to svn and now I keep loosing my timeshift when accidentaly exiting livetv :)
[20:22:00] Juski: coffee88: if you've got 5 mins I can explain how it works.. might bash a bit for the wiki together while I'm at it
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: seme: A couple Elosystems 15" touch screen monitors
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: out of Kiosks
[20:23:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: how much were they? easily got hold of? ;-)
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: free
[20:23:00] coffee88: Juski: Hmmm. I still get "request can not be fulfilled".... Will try later. Very keen to know really, just to fill in the time.... PM if nobody else is interested?
[20:23:00] GreyFoxx: I got the big metal kiosk frame,s pc's and screens
[20:23:00] Juski: ahhh.. in the right place at the right time eh?
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: pretty much yeah
[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: did some work for a ocmpany and they gave me what they were tossing out
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[20:24:00] GreyFoxx: all that was wrong was the pc wouldn't boot.... just needed a new drive
[20:24:00] Juski: coffee88: I'll pop something into a text file & put it on my webserver
[20:24:00] coffee88: Juski: Sweet. Cheers.
[20:27:00] GreyFoxx: juski when the bought them they wer $10k each hehe. Mostly because of the custom metal framing
[20:27:00] coffee88: I assume that the RT are well aware of mythtv? Has there been any feedback on the project from them that anyone knows of?
[20:27:00] Juski: coffee88: they've made several allowances for people who want xmltv data – infact that's why the feed is there in the 1st place ;-)
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[20:28:00] elvis: anyone here had problems emerging ivtv on gentoo?
[20:28:00] coffee88: Juski: thought so. Big round of applause for them!
[20:28:00] seme: GreyFoxx: I'm wokring on complete home automation/security/media distribution... a la smart house
[20:28:00] ** coffee88 claps. **
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: cool
[20:28:00] Juski: elvis: just compile from source – it's really no big deal :)
[20:28:00] seme: so far I've gotten most of the media stuff done... I'm looking for pc's to put in my walls
[20:28:00] GreyFoxx: I'm turning one of the touch screens into a control for my av room
[20:28:00] seme: I was hoping for wirless touch screens
[20:28:00] seme: nice
[20:29:00] GreyFoxx: the other I might leave in the kiosk and do some sort of home automation
[20:29:00] elvis: yeah I know Juski I did ll the shit on debian...but switched too gentoo...so figuring that out :P
[20:29:00] Juski: seme: I'm thinking along the same lines.. I'm not afraid to dig channels in walls... my plastering is quite good these days ;)
[20:29:00] seme: he hee
[20:29:00] seme: I've never done it myself... the electrical is what really scares me... but my brother is an electrician so he can hopefully help
[20:32:00] Juski: I'm also thinking of going whole-house audio & video too
[20:32:00] Juski: having touch screen panels in most rooms would be cool
[20:32:00] Juski: I might have to settle for infrared remotes though on my budget
[20:33:00] coffee88: anyone tried video over cat5? Work without interference?
[20:33:00] Juski: coffee88: it's not possible to get it interference free without a tiny bit of circuitry
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[20:34:00] coffee88: Juski: how tiny? :-)
[20:34:00] Juski: www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5_1.png and www.juski.co.uk/images/cat5_2.png :D
[20:35:00] Juski: coffee88: how are you with making op-amp circuits?
[20:35:00] scopeuk: im resoanable
[20:35:00] Juski: I plan to document my project & make the plans available for a teeny fee
[20:35:00] scopeuk: spent about 3 months studyign the damn things last year
[20:35:00] scopeuk: is that front end box?
[20:35:00] Juski: basically... it's a balanced transmitter & receiver pair
[20:35:00] scopeuk: if so that is stupidly cool
[20:35:00] coffee88: Juski: I know what they are. To date that's about it! It's been abot 2 years since I had a soldering iron out....
[20:36:00] scopeuk: argh gotcha
[20:36:00] Juski: don't use baluns.. they SUCK
[20:36:00] Juski: and don't tell Keith Doxey I'm gonna tread on his toes ;)
[20:37:00] coffee88: Juski: cost per unit to put together? Roughly?
[20:37:00] Juski: the thought of those ickle ally boxes being frontends though.. (drool)
[20:37:00] seme: GreyFoxx: should I get a resistive or capacitive touch screen?
[20:37:00] Juski: coffee88: the most expensive would be the video opamps.. but we got loads lying round at work
[20:38:00] Juski: I'm gonna experiment with much cheaper amps on the next ones I build
[20:38:00] coffee88: "is that a video op amp in your pocket, or".....
[20:38:00] Juski: picture quality is erm... astonishing
[20:38:00] scopeuk: so these are video over spare pares on enet or what?
[20:39:00] Juski: and I tested both ends over 300metres of cable.. hardly any impact on quality :)
[20:39:00] Juski: not spare pairs.. one whole cable
[20:39:00] Juski: each signal takes a pair
[20:39:00] squish102: other than the real propeller heads in this #, what is a common distro to install mythtv on?
[20:40:00] Juski: FC?
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[20:40:00] nuxil: hello people..
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[20:40:00] squish102: ok i been FC -> knoppmyth -> gentoo (u crazy) -> trying FC again
[20:40:00] Juski: squish102: there has to be a reason knoppmyth is so popular
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[20:40:00] Juski: erm.. if you can't get it going on a distro it aint the fault of the distro ;-)
[20:40:00] scopeuk: have you tried debian?
[20:41:00] squish102: i had it working quite well on knoppmyth, but missed my FC familiarity
[20:41:00] nuxil: im about to try to install mythtv for the 100th time :P do i need to set a root pw for mysql? i dont need any secuarety tho..
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[20:41:00] squish102: nuxil, on my 101 install and i still set it ;)
[20:41:00] nuxil: trying to get it to work on ubuntu
[20:41:00] Juski: nuxil: still not reading the FM again?
[20:42:00] Juski: I can heartily recommend the arabaccia whatever howto.. 1st or 2nd hit on a google search
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[20:42:00] Juski: http://www.abarbaccia.com/
[20:42:00] squish102: scopeuk knoppmyth is debian, and i did a apt-get install ffmpeg, and that was the end on my nuvexport
[20:43:00] scopeuk: knoppmyth is based ion debian unstable
[20:43:00] scopeuk: and i do love apt-get
[20:43:00] Juski: squish102: most of them scripts fall over when a dependency changes the structure of its commands
[20:43:00] Juski: e.g. mythburn got ballsed up when projectx changed its command line syntax
[20:43:00] nuxil: knoppmyth suxz..
[20:44:00] squish102: i do until until apt-get screws up ffmpeg and i spend 2 days trying to figure out how to get it working again
[20:44:00] Juski: if it works, why break it? ;)
[20:44:00] squish102: dunno y i did it
[20:44:00] nuxil: squish102 i tryed knoppmyth,, and did apt-get install kde.. "it was not so smart :P"
[20:45:00] squish102: so back to FC.. lets try again
[20:45:00] nuxil: neede to reinstall
[20:45:00] Juski: anyway.. coffee88: I reckon you could build a tx/rx cat5 pair for about £20 parts
[20:45:00] Juski: .. if you can follow a schematic & build with stripboard
[20:45:00] squish102: but i think atrpms is screwed
[20:46:00] coffee88: Juski: Whoa. Sweet! Does that include the parts I overheat soldering?!  ;-) Must get back into practice....
[20:47:00] coffee88: Though looking at some 1-wire smt chips just arrived, I wonder just how fine a solder tip needs to be these days....
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[20:55:00] Juski: coffee88: I just use a 6mm chisel tip for everything
[20:58:00] coffee88: Heh. I'm still trying to work up the confidence to actually try soldering smt chips.... It would have to be on a low caffeine intake day, I suspect...
[20:59:00] laga: working up confidence? try beer instead of coffee :)
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[21:00:00] coffee88: You know what? That might just work!
[21:00:00] nuxil: does mythtv support shoutcast streams?
[21:00:00] seme: ok so if i wanted to do this.... then I need computer based touch screens right?
[21:00:00] nuxil: if not.. any plans to make such a plugin
[21:01:00] seme: is it possible to make a display only with only minimal pc's
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[21:04:00] coffee88: Damn. Been told I've apparently been neglecting the gf. Juski, I'll check later/this week if you've had a minute free to tap up anything on xmltv, but no dramas.
[21:04:00] ** laga snickers **
[21:05:00] coffee88: laga: You'll get yours one day.
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[21:07:00] phoner2: is there any kind of filter that helps keep the sound level the same all the time?
[21:07:00] phoner2: like when commercials come on, it seems louder
[21:07:00] ole_schoola: you're in the wrong forum if you're watching commercials
[21:07:00] phoner2: hehe, naw commercials are ok
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[21:08:00] phoner2: there have been tv sets that had a feature that did this, would be nice to find it in software
[21:10:00] Juski: phoner2: that's be called dynamic compression.. and no mythtv ain't got it but I've been taking a peek to see if it could be done easily
[21:12:00] phoner2: awesome
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[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: I believe xpis is working on that
[21:22:00] Juski: oooo
[21:29:00] laga: remind me to slap coffee88 the next time he is around..
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[21:38:00] scottder: was 0.19 released last night?
[21:39:00] GreyFoxx: nope
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[21:45:00] ole_schoola: xris went out drinkin and whorin
[21:47:00] rtsai: anyone with a combo HD-3000/PVR-500 system?
[21:47:00] phoner2: those are my two fav pasttimes
[21:52:00] phoner2: I'm excited cpuspeed has been working for like 2 minutes
[21:52:00] phoner2: no crashes
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[21:56:00] Ubongo: can anyone help a guy who's been trying to get myth working? :(
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[21:56:00] eiggirC: Ubongo: ask your question then lurk
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[21:58:00] eiggirC: *sigh* I'm having ivtv/bttv issues. Will a bt878 card play nice with a pvr-150 ? Do I use the kernel bttv module, or should ivtv deal with the bt878 card on its own?
[21:59:00] eiggirC: I have a pvr150 working fine, and I want to add a bt878 card.
[21:59:00] eiggirC: however my backend is a P3 866 and I don't know if it has the balls to run a non-hardware-encoder 878 card
[21:59:00] Ubongo: lol
[22:00:00] eiggirC: if I use the kernel bttv driver I get messages like this
[22:00:00] eiggirC: bttv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog
[22:00:00] Ubongo: I have a Hauppage PVR 150.....when I select "watch TV" all I get is a blank screen....I have only setup myth for broadcast using an antenna to make sure it work before I setup my satellite....but no go
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[22:03:00] eiggirC: Ubongo: sounds like you have no channels tuned
[22:03:00] eiggirC: Ubongo: run mythtv-setup and check out the channels pages
[22:04:00] eiggirC: Ubongo: also look at dmesg and make sure there's no errors
[22:04:00] Ubongo: thanks
[22:04:00] eiggirC: that your tuner is detected correctly
[22:04:00] eiggirC: remember black picture is worse than static
[22:04:00] eiggirC: static is quite good actually.
[22:05:00] Ubongo: lspci shows my card detected as "Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)"
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[22:05:00] ole_schoola: dmesg more important
[22:08:00] Gumby`: does anyone know if there is a way to test a bttv tuner remotely to see if the card is recording properly? something like cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg for a ivtv card?
[22:08:00] eiggirC: Gumby`: not like that – the bttv cards have no mpeg encoder
[22:08:00] eiggirC: Gumby`: so all you'd get from catting dev/video is a raw stream
[22:08:00] eiggirC: but you would get something
[22:09:00] Gumby`: eiggirC: yes, I know that. I am just wondering if there is an equivalent way with a bttv vard via command line
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[22:17:00] Ubongo: eiggirC: I will post my dmesg at pastebin....I have a PVR 150...but it's seen as a 250
[22:18:00] bronco1: ubongo: I have seen that issue on gossamer threads
[22:18:00] Ubongo: what's the URL?
[22:19:00] bronco1: ubongo: have you tried updating to the latest firmware, powering off your computer completely (remove the power cord) and then tried cold booting
[22:19:00] bronco1: Ubongo: do a search for gossamer mythtv users on google
[22:19:00] Ubongo: thanks....I will try the firmware too
[22:20:00] bronco1: Ubongo: I remember reading that reboots behave differently than cold boots..
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[22:23:00] Ubongo: k...my firmware is the latest.... I will do a cold boot
[22:23:00] Ubongo: brb
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[22:42:00] [Elvis]: hello guys, I tried to install ivtv on gentoo...it gives no errors...but I can't cat /dev/video0 ....it says no such device....can anyone tell me how to see if ivtv installed correcftly?
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[22:44:00] aztek: whats all this talk about 0.19 in this channel anyway is there a release planned soon or something ( just checking )
[22:46:00] GreyFoxx: aztek: yes there is
[22:47:00] aztek: ok cewl it that case can't wait :) :)
[22:47:00] aztek: this week or something or just soon?
[22:48:00] [Elvis]: can anyone help me with the above problem
[22:48:00] GreyFoxx: was gonna be last night
[22:48:00] GreyFoxx: so basically, any minute
[22:50:00] aztek: cewl
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[22:51:00] scottder: Now?...How about now? :)
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[23:00:00] Juski: now??
[23:00:00] Juski: lol
[23:00:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: how's that pet project of yours shaping up?
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[23:24:00] DarkBeer: w00! no more .19 on roadmap :)
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[23:27:00] phoner2: what does that mean?
[23:28:00] scottder: there was a roadmap?
[23:28:00] scottder: :)
[23:28:00] Agrajag-: tag for 0.19 has been created. i guess if you checkout that tag that'll be the 0.19 release
[23:29:00] scottder: "Support for the LxM Suite services." has that link ever worked? :)
[23:30:00] jams: oh course it did
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[23:31:00] Juski: did being the operative word
[23:31:00] Juski: jams: would you mind awfully if I pinch some of the ideas used in the LXM themes?
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[23:33:00] Juski: I lurve the highlight bars / outlines in 'syth lacquer''
[23:33:00] jams: cool with me
[23:34:00] Gumby`: does anyone know of a way to stop a recording via the commnand line?
[23:34:00] jams: Juski- one of these days I will need to try your theme
[23:35:00] Gumby`: Juski: screenshot?
[23:35:00] Chutt: i'll be going back to lacquer once it's updated for 0.19, most likely
[23:35:00] Chutt: sorry juski :p
[23:38:00] xpis: Chutt: so, 0.19 is finalized? (the current svn version is what will be 0.19)
[23:38:00] Chutt: yes
[23:38:00] _beavis: it already is
[23:38:00] _beavis: when there's the 0.19 tag
[23:39:00] Agrajag-: there already is a 0.19 tag
[23:39:00] _beavis: yes
[23:39:00] xpis: Chutt: so the trunk is now pre-0.20 (open to development)?
[23:39:00] jams: stupid taxes seems like I just did this stuff.
[23:40:00] Gumby`: xpis: re: my issues yesterday. I downgraded the kernel and I am no longer getting those crazy kernel messages when using mplayer. Still not sure my bttv card is working or not. It'll have to wait until late tomorrow night when I get home from the gf's place
[23:40:00] Chutt: xpis, mostly
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[23:40:00] xpis: Gumby: does xawtv/v4lctl still segfault?
[23:41:00] Juski: going back to? didn't know you were using it ;-)
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[23:42:00] Chutt: there's only a few widescreen themes
[23:42:00] Chutt: i'm using yours, currently
[23:42:00] Gumby`: xpis: havnt tried yet. one sec
[23:42:00] Juski: and no amorphic ones at all.. something intend to do something about
[23:43:00] Chutt: eh
[23:43:00] Juski: going wide in 720x576 is a pain
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[23:43:00] Chutt: you can get the same effect by using the regular widescreen one, i believe
[23:44:00] Juski: would you beleive I've not even tried my own wide theme on my own frontend
[23:44:00] xpis: So.. will someone be setting up a torrent to keep the server from going down when the release hits news sites?
[23:44:00] Chutt: err
[23:44:00] Chutt: no
[23:44:00] Chutt: i have plenty of bandwidth.
[23:45:00] Chutt: unless the wiki hurts things more than i expect, there won't be a problem.
[23:45:00] ** Juski rolls up a new minimyth package to try PG-wide **
[23:45:00] Gumby`: xpis, hehe. yep, it still segfaults
[23:45:00] xpis: Slashdot may link to wiki pages that reference multiple templates.
[23:46:00] Chutt: the wiki's cached
[23:46:00] scottder: [mythtv-users] 0.19 released!
[23:46:00] Chutt: and i can always lock specific pages if need be
[23:47:00] Chutt: scottder, no, it's not even uploaded yet :p
[23:48:00] Juski: dammit I can't remember the syntax for the mkramfs command :-/
[23:48:00] Chutt: and regardless, a torrent for the download won't help the wiki taking down the machine :p
[23:48:00] ** Gumby` needs to try a different xawtv package **
[23:49:00] xpis: Gumby: try compiling it yourself.
[23:49:00] xpis: Gumby: I would never trust an ATRPMS package
[23:49:00] Chutt: who's the fucktard that told everyone on the users list to use svn?
[23:50:00] xpis: now everyone using svn at once probably would bring down the server.
[23:50:00] Chutt: most likely
[23:52:00] scottder: Chutt: that was from the mailing list :)
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[23:52:00] timm: has anyone used MythTV in conjunction with DamnSmallLinux?
[23:53:00] jams: timm- yep
[23:57:00] aztek: xpis: why wouldn't you trust a ATRPMS package?
[23:57:00] Juski: this should be interesting... theme designed for 1280x720 on a 720x576 display...
[23:57:00] xpis: aztek: because the dependencies are completely messed up, and some are buggy.
[23:58:00] aztek: xpis: ok thx i always use debian but i justed installed red-hat and don't know alott about the rpm repositories jet they semed good
[23:59:00] aztek: jet = yet
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[23:59:00] Juski: wow.. not too shabby :)
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