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| [00:00:00] | rtsai: | ah, ok |
| [00:00:00] | rtsai: | msg? |
| [00:02:00] | xris: | sure |
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| [00:16:00] | squish102: | ok FC4, knopmyth and now i am going to try gentoo |
| [00:16:00] | squish102: | i hope i can get in installed |
| [00:17:00] | xris: | good luck |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | wish me luck |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | lol |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | bbiab |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | possibly 10 hours |
| [00:17:00] | xris: | gentoo seems to work well once it's up, but from what I've seen it's a PITA to install unless you know what you're doing. |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | i'm gonna cheat |
| [00:17:00] | squish102: | i am getting vlos to start with |
| [00:18:00] | squish102: | http://www.vidalinux.com/ |
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| [00:23:00] | SlicerDicer-: | anybody familar with what would cause it to say unable to create audiooutput? |
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| [00:35:00] | rtsai: | xris: do your canned searches show doubled listings, for identical channels that are available on two sources? |
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| [00:39:00] | xris: | I don't have double channels |
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| [00:40:00] | Gumby: | any ivtv people here right now? I am trying to setup ivtv on a fedora core 4 box right now and when I do the make && make install the only two .ko files that get created are ivtv.ko and ivtv-fb.ko msp3400, tveeprom, etc do not get created. Am I missing something here? |
| [00:42:00] | scottder: | Is there any advantage to setting up a second machine as a slave backend, with no tuner card in it? say for transcoding? |
| [00:43:00] | scottder: | my frontend box isn't too beefy...thought of running a VMware machine and run an instance of FC4 on it :) |
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| [00:50:00] | dtm: | does anyone here use pvrusb2 with its own IR? |
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| [00:57:00] | awb4422: | anyone using an hd3000 – what type of remote are you using? |
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| [01:02:00] | Kelerion: | Juski: never guess what |
| [01:02:00] | Kelerion: | the 130 quid camera I bought at Maplins is excellent.. but the 12.95 webcam I got from Scan.. is even better.. lol |
| [01:03:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [01:04:00] | Juski: | I just learned a valuable lesson |
| [01:04:00] | Kelerion: | it turns out that I have enough street lighting for a camera.. but the cctv is auto switching to IR which is good.. but not quite as clear as in color |
| [01:04:00] | Juski: | never, _ever_ read any of my wife's books. started one.. got hooked... totally shit ending & now I feel like I've wasted so many hours of my life... damn chick-lit!!! |
| [01:05:00] | ** Kelerion laughs ** | |
| [01:05:00] | Juski: | was worse than fucking Irving Welsh for god's sakes |
| [01:05:00] | Juski: | anyway – glad you got yer camera sorted :) |
| [01:05:00] | Kelerion: | and it's hours your never gonna get back :P |
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| [01:06:00] | Juski: | yeh but mythburn has a few of those hours too |
| [01:07:00] | Kelerion: | ahh :) |
| [01:07:00] | scottder: | Maybe sue the author or the publisher... |
| [01:07:00] | scottder: | :) |
| [01:08:00] | Juski: | heh. I've asked for my money back at the cinema before so why not? ;) |
| [01:08:00] | Kelerion: | I finally finished backup up all the movies I've recorded on myth.. transcoded.. then converted to xvid.. and you know what? even though xvid made my 7Gb recording a 320Mb? it's actually pretty damn decent quality |
| [01:08:00] | Kelerion: | I can fit 11 xvids on a dvd |
| [01:08:00] | Juski: | and can't play them in myth.. great! |
| [01:09:00] | Juski: | well, not in mythvideo anyway |
| [01:09:00] | Kelerion: | I can play them in mythvideo ala mplayer |
| [01:09:00] | Juski: | oops – just figured out how you could do that |
| [01:09:00] | Juski: | make a symbolic link in your videos folder to where your dvd drive mounts ;) |
| [01:09:00] | Kelerion: | exactamundo |
| [01:10:00] | Juski: | took me a few seconds to work that one out – what's wrong with the lame-ass complainoids on the mailing list then? |
| [01:10:00] | Kelerion: | I have a script somewhere that you set as the player script.. and it justs ejects the dvd drive.. waits for you to put a disk in.. and then mounts it and plays it |
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| [01:11:00] | Kelerion: | it's a script I got from the ML a while ago and modified |
| [01:11:00] | Juski: | people are whining about not being allowed to record VoD now... I mean come on |
| [01:11:00] | briand: | where would i find the xml (and png?) files associated with the "info" menu osd pop-up? it's not (apparently) part of the various themes... |
| [01:11:00] | Juski: | what info menu? |
| [01:12:00] | briand: | the one that allows me to turn commercial skip on/off, toggle PiP, bring up the osd program guide, etc |
| [01:12:00] | Juski: | hard coded I'm afraid |
| [01:12:00] | briand: | shucks. |
| [01:12:00] | briand: | i wanted to tweak it a few pixels to the right, so it was entirely on the visible part of the screen. |
| [01:13:00] | Juski: | utils/settings > settings > tv > playback |
| [01:14:00] | Juski: | overscan settings are what you want I think |
| [01:14:00] | briand: | hmm.. is it in there? i must've missed it. |
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| [01:14:00] | briand: | i thought that only affected the picture itself |
| [01:14:00] | Juski: | not sure. I don't ever use livetv |
| [01:15:00] | briand: | the picture is fine, livetv or recorded... but that one menu is a tad too far left (on my setup, anyway) |
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| [01:15:00] | Kelerion: | not read the ML for a few days.. been having a break |
| [01:15:00] | Juski: | the box that contains the OSD is a PNG file in the OSD theme directory |
| [01:15:00] | Juski: | bring out the GIMP & take a look in the themes directory |
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| [01:16:00] | hafree: | does anyone know of someplace to get the Hiper Media case in the US? |
| [01:17:00] | Juski: | the crappy plastic looking case shop? |
| [01:17:00] | chuckyp: | hafree let me check |
| [01:17:00] | hafree: | thanks |
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| [01:17:00] | briand: | i've found all the others... for callerid, position, pause, etc... but not the one for that particular menu (which, incidentally, doesn't match the 'theme'... which might lend towards it being hard-coded, as you say) |
| [01:17:00] | hafree: | i've been looking all over, but it looks like it's a UK company |
| [01:17:00] | Kelerion: | "Bring out the Gimp"? *shudders and thinks of pulp fiction* |
| [01:17:00] | ** briand laughs ** | |
| [01:17:00] | hafree: | probably with the wrong voltage on the power supply too |
| [01:17:00] | hafree: | (for US use) |
| [01:18:00] | Juski: | hafree: I've only ever seen that case look good once – and it didn't have the original front panel on it |
| [01:18:00] | hafree: | oh really |
| [01:18:00] | hafree: | nobody else makes anything that slim though |
| [01:18:00] | hafree: | trying to conserve space without wasting too much time on case modding |
| [01:18:00] | Juski: | good luck getting a system to run cool in it too.. unless you've got the budget for mobile processors or you want to use a mini-itx board |
| [01:18:00] | chuckyp: | hafree, most power supplies have a switch on the back for voltage. |
| [01:18:00] | hafree: | i'm fine with that |
| [01:18:00] | Kelerion: | I just love the look of the new sony box |
| [01:19:00] | Juski: | new sony box? |
| [01:19:00] | Kelerion: | one sec.. will get link |
| [01:20:00] | Juski: | I think it's about time there was an alternative to PCs with plugins cards as PVRs.. like motherboards with everything built in like STBs |
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| [01:20:00] | butabi: | anyone knows if the latest knoppmyth frontend is working with the svn backend? |
| [01:20:00] | chuckyp: | hafree, what about neweggs micro atx cases |
| [01:20:00] | Juski: | In Europe we can use the Dreambox, but even that can't run mythtv yet |
| [01:20:00] | bmk789: | i agree |
| [01:20:00] | Kelerion: | http://products.sel.sony.com/xl1/?DCMP=showca . . . l1_sonystyle |
| [01:20:00] | Juski: | butabi: no it won't work – different DB schema & protocol version |
| [01:21:00] | hafree: | eh |
| [01:21:00] | hafree: | that doesnt look any better than some of the silverstone cases |
| [01:21:00] | butabi: | crap, any howtos for building your own frontend livecd then? :) |
| [01:21:00] | scottder: | Ok the FAQ mentions that a slave backend can do commflagging...I assume it can do transcoding too? |
| [01:21:00] | Kelerion: | I have a silverstone case.. and I love it.. but this just looks *nice* |
| [01:22:00] | Kelerion: | scottder: yup |
| [01:22:00] | Juski: | hmmm – not fond of the sony case |
| [01:22:00] | butabi: | juski: and btw, the dreambox software is rather powerful itself, though limited through its hardware |
| [01:22:00] | Juski: | black OR silver please, not both ;-) |
| [01:22:00] | Juski: | butabi: but it ain't no mythtv ;-) |
| [01:22:00] | Kelerion: | cases are always subjective to personal preference |
| [01:22:00] | briand: | i've got a silver pundit... but I do wish I had some more room for drives... and maybe cards, too. |
| [01:22:00] | Juski: | front AV connections.. what are they thinking though? |
| [01:22:00] | butabi: | thats right :) |
| [01:22:00] | hafree: | bbl |
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| [01:23:00] | briand: | Juski: maybe those are secondary? a place for the soccer mom to plug in the video camera? |
| [01:23:00] | briand: | perhaps there's another set on the rear |
| [01:23:00] | Kelerion: | I've never liked those.. I remember thinking they alwasys spoilt the look of video recorders too |
| [01:23:00] | Juski: | put them on the side, under a flap |
| [01:23:00] | chuckyp: | I like a lot of the micro atx desktop cases on newegg. They have plenty of units that look like stereo components etc.. |
| [01:23:00] | Juski: | there are still far too many dog ugly PC cases around |
| [01:24:00] | briand: | my tv and my AV/Radio/Amp has two sets up front.. behind a panel |
| [01:24:00] | butabi: | anyone has made a custom svn frontend bootcd and is willing to share? :)) |
| [01:24:00] | Juski: | still – at least the sony thing doesn't have a front panel display.. "hello.. I'm watching TV.. why do I want to know elapsed time on the front?" |
| [01:24:00] | chuckyp: | You can always just build your own. |
| [01:25:00] | chuckyp: | Right now I'm trying to figure out why my buddies mythbackend keeps crashing. |
| [01:26:00] | briand: | i would venture that the number of folks that could build a "commercial-looking, sleek" box, intersected with those inclined to build up a linux box and get MythTV running, would produce a fairly small percentage. |
| [01:26:00] | Juski: | wow... sony give you as many as _one_ tuner in that box for $2000 |
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| [01:26:00] | Juski: | briand: so you take it to a friendly local milling shop ;-) |
| [01:26:00] | Kelerion: | and a 200 cd changer |
| [01:27:00] | briand: | pfft. i've got 500M ram, 2.4G processor, 350G drive, CD/DVD burner, and three tuners in my Pundit (PVR-350 & a PVR-500) |
| [01:27:00] | scottder: | I saw one at COmpUSA ...had a cheap feel around it |
| [01:27:00] | scottder: | not what you want for that kind of money |
| [01:27:00] | chuckyp: | Some lexan spray paint and my buddies tin shop seems to work. |
| [01:27:00] | Juski: | changers are a good way of getting around being told off for advocating ripping DVDs though |
| [01:28:00] | briand: | Juski: i wish i had a friendly local milling shop... and a couple friends who worked there and could 'experiment' some designs... |
| [01:28:00] | topping: | what does mfd do? is there RTFM on it? |
| [01:28:00] | scottder: | Pundit? |
| [01:28:00] | Juski: | Pundits are okay unless you have a digital surround amplifier |
| [01:28:00] | Juski: | front SPDIF |
| [01:28:00] | Juski: | :-/ |
| [01:28:00] | briand: | scottder: Asus Pundit-R — it's a "bookshelf" computer. |
| [01:28:00] | scottder: | AH |
| [01:28:00] | briand: | Juski: unless you move it. ;) |
| [01:29:00] | Juski: | unless you take the board out, desolder the front connector & solder wires into the board leading to the back of the case.. that what you mean? |
| [01:29:00] | briand: | actually, i'd be just as happy with a sleek-looking 'traditional' pc, that would look good in the component rack.... but they're ungodly expensive. |
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| [01:30:00] | Juski: | think about it... all that needs to look good is a shiny bit of metal on the front |
| [01:30:00] | briand: | Juski: that's exactly it. but then, i have a dremel tool, lots of soldering and desoldering equipment, etc... |
| [01:30:00] | ** Kelerion bets Juski has too ** | |
| [01:30:00] | briand: | semi-gloss black would match my components better. ;) |
| [01:30:00] | Juski: | I'd rather not spend ££££ then have to spend ££££ worth of my time modding |
| [01:30:00] | scottder: | Of course the Sony isn't targeted at the DIY types....a lot of people just want to plug it in and goo |
| [01:30:00] | briand: | I got the Pundit-R for $99.00 ... including the motherboard. |
| [01:30:00] | scottder: | and most have problems with the plug it in part |
| [01:30:00] | scottder: | :) |
| [01:31:00] | SirPrize: | I have a machine on which I've set up MythTV. MythTV seems very unstable in displaying and recording TV, giving choppy/blocky video. This is not the case when using Xine on the same machine to then view same channel... :-S Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| [01:31:00] | Juski: | I have 450mm x 400mm x 100mm space below my TV.. not many cases will fit in that |
| [01:32:00] | Kelerion: | SirPrize: sounds like your recording profile |
| [01:32:00] | briand: | SirPrize: are you using xine within MythTV to display video, or are you using mplayer? |
| [01:32:00] | chuckyp: | SirPrize, when you are watching live tv in myth its caching a file. |
| [01:32:00] | scottder: | briand looks cool.... |
| [01:32:00] | scottder: | do you use the s-video output on that? |
| [01:32:00] | Juski: | and what tuner do you have, SirPrize? |
| [01:32:00] | briand: | nope. don't use the motherboard video at all... I've got a PVR-350, so I use its TV-Out and spare the CPU cycles. |
| [01:32:00] | SirPrize: | Kelerion: briand: chukyp: I have an Avermedia DVB-T 771 card, using default profile with mjpeg |
| [01:33:00] | ** Kelerion wonders why that sony back.. a media center.. comes with office, works and quicken! lol ** | |
| [01:33:00] | SirPrize: | briand: I use xine outside of MythTV, when MythTV is not running |
| [01:33:00] | briand: | SirPrize: you can also use it within MythTV, as the viewer application. ;) |
| [01:33:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: you can use the _default_ or the _default_, or even the _default_ profiles with DVB tuners |
| [01:33:00] | Juski: | _not_ mjpeg, certainly not mpeg4 either |
| [01:34:00] | SirPrize: | briand: I use xine and mplayer to view recorded files, but even recorded files are very choppy and blocky :-( |
| [01:34:00] | Juski: | the option to choose has been removed from SVN so will not be in 0.19 |
| [01:34:00] | SirPrize: | briand: if I use xine to directly show from DVB-T, don't have this choppiness |
| [01:34:00] | briand: | Juski: is there a page somewhere detailing what -will- be in 0.19? |
| [01:34:00] | Juski: | I don't believe that for a minute – it's the same data |
| [01:34:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: Sorry, I meant RTjpeg :-) |
| [01:34:00] | Juski: | not rtjpeg either |
| [01:35:00] | chuckyp: | SirPrize, is backened and frontend on same box? And what are you system spec? |
| [01:35:00] | Juski: | if you're using DVB do not mess with recording/livetv profiles |
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| [01:35:00] | Juski: | it shouldn't make any difference though |
| [01:36:00] | Juski: | but all the same – don't touch |
| [01:36:00] | SirPrize: | chuckyp: Backend and frontend are on the same machine, but if I have the backend do a scheduled recording, and don't have frontend running, recording is still very choppy. :-( System it Athlon 1.2 GHz |
| [01:36:00] | Kelerion: | it simply doesn't use the profiles for dvb does it? |
| [01:36:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: can't be too careful ;-) |
| [01:36:00] | briand: | and while i have your ear, Juski .... what transcoding "profile" would I use on my recorded programs so that I'd still have audio when played thru the PVR-350's output? I can watch the 'raw', but if i transcode, I get video with no audio. |
| [01:36:00] | SirPrize: | chuckyp: with 768MB of RAM and reasonably fast HDDs with pio5 |
| [01:37:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: with DVB tuners blocky recordings/livetv are caused by poor signals |
| [01:37:00] | Juski: | nothing else |
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| [01:37:00] | chuckyp: | Not really fimiliar with DVB tuners here in the U.S. |
| [01:37:00] | Juski: | go into mythtv-setup & change the 'advanced' setting of the tuner card(s) to 'use TS mode' |
| [01:37:00] | Juski: | that's now default in SVN & can't be changed |
| [01:37:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: but if I use xine after shutting down MythTV, with seconds interval between them, Xine shows a perfect picture. MythTV can't, for more than 5 seconds |
| [01:37:00] | Kelerion: | briand: I bet your transcoding profile is using some wierd mp3 sampling rate.. try various ones |
| [01:38:00] | Yellow-Snow: | anyone use tvwish? |
| [01:38:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: then change the card advanced setting (after stopping mythbackend) to use TS recording |
| [01:38:00] | briand: | Kelerion: I looked in setup, and it appears I can choose between mp3 and uncompressed... but nowhere can I specify an mp2 audio stream... or I missed it. |
| [01:38:00] | Juski: | briand: welcome to the first snag of owning a PVR350 card ;) |
| [01:39:00] | briand: | ...it's my understanding that mp2 audio is what the PVR card wants to see |
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| [01:39:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: Live-tv with Xine on same channel is perfect, compared with MythTV |
| [01:39:00] | Yellow-Snow: | thats what u get rich boys! |
| [01:39:00] | briand: | heheh |
| [01:39:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: you didn't read what I said |
| [01:39:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: I've already configured for TS recording – no difference |
| [01:39:00] | Juski: | ok |
| [01:39:00] | Juski: | so you're screwed then :-P |
| [01:39:00] | SirPrize: | :-P |
| [01:40:00] | Kelerion: | briand: you have audio pre-transcoding? |
| [01:40:00] | SirPrize: | I can cronjob recording sessions with mplayer or xine, but do like the interface of MythWeb :-) |
| [01:40:00] | chuckyp: | SirPrize why not eliminate myth as the problem and try a recording with out myth running. |
| [01:40:00] | briand: | well, if I could transcode to simply remove the 'cut' portions and commercials, I'd be happy. I can do other transcoding to record to DVD/VCD (I assume) with the way things are now... |
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| [01:40:00] | briand: | Kelerion: no. |
| [01:40:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ^^ to save room |
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| [01:40:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: myth doesn't do anything different with the stream to what xine/mplayer do |
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| [01:40:00] | SirPrize: | chuckyp: Recordings are perfect without myth. It's only when I have myth that the video is choppy :-( |
| [01:40:00] | Kelerion: | ahh.. well thats a different problem then |
| [01:40:00] | Kelerion: | nothing to do with transcoding is it? |
| [01:41:00] | dtm: | briand: that is not supported yet til 0.19 |
| [01:41:00] | Juski: | possibly |
| [01:41:00] | chuckyp: | i.e. cat /dev/video > test.mpg |
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| [01:41:00] | briand: | dtm: so you're saying, "wait a few more days" and I'll be able to 'transcode' and still play thru the framebuffer output on my PVR-350? |
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| [01:41:00] | Juski: | and with dvb cards you can't just cat /dev/video > test.mpg – it's start tzap, then in another terminal, cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg |
| [01:42:00] | SirPrize: | tzap and cat produce a good video, non-choppy |
| [01:42:00] | chuckyp: | Juski, like I say i'm not used to DVB cards. |
| [01:42:00] | Juski: | briand: you got the audio out from the 350 card going into a soundcard input like the howto guides say to do? |
| [01:42:00] | Juski: | the audio might be coming outta your PC's soundcard |
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| [01:43:00] | briand: | Juski: hmm... no. I don't remember that part of Jarod's tutorial... the audio and video from the PVR pipes directly into my A/V stereo center |
| [01:43:00] | Juski: | briand... into the soundcard... |
| [01:43:00] | briand: | hmm. perhaps I need to build a cable and readjust some settings, then.... |
| [01:43:00] | Juski: | then into your stereo from the PC line out |
| [01:44:00] | Juski: | otherwise you'll notice that mplayer etc can't get audio from transcoded dvds etc |
| [01:44:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: what dvb-t tuner do you have? |
| [01:44:00] | briand: | actually, I can't play DVD's directly... haven't tried transcoding one. (they won't output thru the PVR, either) |
| [01:44:00] | Juski: | well there you go, briand |
| [01:44:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: I have an Avermedia DVB-T 771 card |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: that should be fine in myth |
| [01:45:00] | briand: | Juski: well, that makes sense — the dvd doesn't have encapsulated mp2 audio stream... |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: run mythbackend in a terminal, then start watching livetv... look for errors |
| [01:45:00] | SirPrize: | ok, let me try that now |
| [01:45:00] | Juski: | (of course you'll need to shut the mythbackend daemon down first) |
| [01:46:00] | Juski: | also look for errors mythfrontend spits out |
| [01:46:00] | briand: | Juski: what i was wondering is if/why not/why there was a transcoding setup to simply chop up (commercial removal, etc) the recorded NUV file and leave everything else alone. |
| [01:46:00] | Juski: | I reckon you'll see plenty errors you can post to the mailing list / search for |
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| [01:47:00] | Juski: | briand: 0.19 will have 'lossless' mpeg2 to mpeg2 transcoding to do just that |
| [01:47:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: I see that there aren't any errors on the backend – the frontend, though, spews out lts of 'slice mismatch', 'invalid cbp' and 'tex damaged' messages :-S |
| [01:47:00] | briand: | yay! :) |
| [01:48:00] | briand: | is there a feature-list for 0.19 floating around somewhere that I can drool over for a few days... sorta like I did with ivtv 0.4.0 just before it was released?? ;) |
| [01:48:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: in tzap, what do the numbers look like? I think it's a signal problem |
| [01:48:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: The backend doesn't give any messages after the status: lock and Multiplex Locked messages |
| [01:48:00] | Kelerion: | briand: I think it's on the wiki somewhere |
| [01:48:00] | Juski: | xine's decoder might be able to handle hiccups better than myth |
| [01:48:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: ah, I see. Let me check with tzap now and see |
| [01:48:00] | briand: | Kelerion: all I've found thus far is a wiki with a placeholder text that reads (and I quote) "place 0.19 feature list here" |
| [01:48:00] | Juski: | infact – something else you can try is a different decoder method... it's under tv playback settings in mythfrontend |
| [01:49:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: tzap gives out a constant stream of "FE_HAS_LOCK" messages |
| [01:50:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: is there a specific value in tzap which you want me to watch ? |
| [01:51:00] | Juski: | gimme the numbers, SirPrize.. the numbers |
| [01:52:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: signal value is always between ff0a and ff2f. snr is always above aeae. ber changes between 7, c, 13, 22 and 1e. unc is always 0. status is always 1f |
| [01:53:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: BER should be low... anything about 05 will give you glitches |
| [01:53:00] | SirPrize: | :-( |
| [01:53:00] | Juski: | changing the mpeg decoder in mythfrontend might help |
| [01:55:00] | SirPrize: | The only decoder settings I've seen in the frontend is the "Hardware Decoding Settings" screen's "Use the PVFR-350's TV out" option, and the "Use hardware XvMC MPEG decoding" option. Are those what you mean? I don't think either of those two options is applicable to my Avermedia 771 card, or ? |
| [01:55:00] | Juski: | do you live far from the transmitter? is your aerial a _wideband_ one? how old is the coax hooking up the aerial? |
| [01:55:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: no, there's an option... |
| [01:55:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: I'm not sure how far I am from the transmitter, nor the aerial information. I do have a DVB Digital TV, which uses the same antenna, and is getting a great picture, with hardly ever any distortion |
| [01:56:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: PC tuner cards != freeview tuner boxes |
| [01:56:00] | Juski: | sensitivity & quality vary a lot between models |
| [01:56:00] | SirPrize: | True :-) |
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| [01:56:00] | SirPrize: | I'm still looking for the decoder options. Am in "TV-Settings" -> "Playback" atm |
| [01:57:00] | Juski: | 'use libmpeg2' |
| [01:57:00] | Juski: | dunno what xine uses by default... |
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| [01:58:00] | andrer: | anyone know a quick way to record a video segment just for testing? as opposed to a full mythtv install? |
| [01:58:00] | kormoc: | andrer, depends on your capture card |
| [01:58:00] | andrer: | bt878 |
| [01:59:00] | andrer: | based |
| [01:59:00] | Juski: | ouch |
| [01:59:00] | Juski: | tvtime |
| [01:59:00] | kormoc: | andrer, use tvtime or xawtv |
| [01:59:00] | andrer: | hwo to reord on tvtime? i couldn't find the option |
| [01:59:00] | Juski: | that doesn't do recording though.. but it'll show you it works |
| [01:59:00] | andrer: | and recording on xawtv gets me segfaults :) |
| [01:59:00] | andrer: | it is working (kinda) |
| [01:59:00] | Juski: | well it'll (kinda) work in mythtv if you set mythtv up right |
| [01:59:00] | andrer: | are sa7130hl based cards better than bt based? |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | andrer, and remember recording with a bttv card under myth will eat a bit of cpu |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | andrer, you would want to get a pvr 150 if you're gonna get a new one |
| [02:00:00] | Juski: | not necessarily – there are as many shite non-hardware encoding cards out there as there are good ones |
| [02:00:00] | andrer: | no problem ... the box is a a64–3000 that will do mostly just that |
| [02:00:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: I've checked the 'use libmpeg2' option, and still get quite choppy video. :-( Now the frontend says 'prebuffering pause', and every once in a while a 'decoding error' :-( |
| [02:00:00] | andrer: | i need it to support pal-m |
| [02:00:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: welcome to the land of digital TV ;-) |
| [02:00:00] | SirPrize: | :-) |
| [02:00:00] | andrer: | and most pvr 150 i found I couldn't tell if it was ntsc or pal-m |
| [02:00:00] | kormoc: | andrer, likely the pvr will, but I don't know for sure off hand |
| [02:01:00] | andrer: | aren't pvr 150 cards bt878 based? |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: only thing myth is doing that xine etc aren't is whacking a great big file onto HDD |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | andrer: NO |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | andrer, no, they do hardware mpeg-2 encoding right on the card |
| [02:01:00] | kormoc: | andrer, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html |
| [02:01:00] | SirPrize: | SirPrize: is there any way I can view the live-video in MythTV, without the ringbuffer ? |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | they're based on cards whose lineage is based on bttv crap.. but infinitely better |
| [02:01:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: :-) is there any way I can view the live-video in MythTV, without the ringbuffer ? |
| [02:01:00] | Juski: | nope |
| [02:01:00] | andrer: | kormoc: do they support both ntsc and pal-m? |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | andrer, they make pal models, yes |
| [02:02:00] | andrer: | hmmm how to tell? hehehe |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | model 01046: WinTV-PVR-150 with Hauppauge remote control, IR Blaster and PAL/SECAM tuner |
| [02:02:00] | kormoc: | 01045 is the NTSC tuner |
| [02:02:00] | Juski: | er.. buy the one you want in your own country... best way to guarantee it ;-) |
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| [02:02:00] | andrer: | ok |
| [02:03:00] | SirPrize: | I guess I should get cracking on ripping MythTV's scheduling algorithm, and using that via tzap and a stream copy :-) |
| [02:03:00] | Juski: | SirPrize: you got ber errors in the stream... no idea why xine doesn't show em up, but... things that can help... an aerial upgrade, coax upgrade... give the tuner its own feed, or if you have to split it, use an amplified splitter |
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| [02:04:00] | Juski: | you could do worse than try SVN mythtv too |
| [02:04:00] | Juski: | DVB has changed a _lot_ since 0.18 |
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| [02:05:00] | Juski: | other factors can be... sata controllers futzing things up... certain motherboard chipsets too |
| [02:05:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: Mmmmm..... good point. Will give SVN a try |
| [02:05:00] | Juski: | and one more thing... when you compare myth with xine... you're using the same channels, yes? |
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| [02:06:00] | Juski: | because... you might just have poor reception of one or more multiplexes.. different channels on each mux, see ;-) |
| [02:06:00] | Juski: | an aerial/coax upgrade would prolly sort that out |
| [02:07:00] | Juski: | and let's not forget pc-bourne interference from: PSUs, fans (especially speed controlled ones).. and poor case design |
| [02:07:00] | briand: | Juski: possibly it's the disk controller, providing inadequate throughput — if the direct stream looks okay, but not thru the ringbuffer.... |
| [02:08:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: What decoder does Myth use if 'use libmpeg2' isn't clicked ? |
| [02:08:00] | Juski: | ffmpeg |
| [02:08:00] | Juski: | if ffmpeg can't deal with it, not much else can |
| [02:08:00] | SirPrize: | :-( |
| [02:08:00] | Juski: | there's stuff I can't play in VLC (which uses ffmpeg iirc) that myth plays back just fine though |
| [02:09:00] | SirPrize: | Juski: Well, thanks for your help. I'll go experiment some more with aerials and cables, and see whether that helps :-) Bye for now! |
| [02:09:00] | Juski: | about sata controllers.. a lot of onboard ones, especially older breeds are complete & utter crap |
| [02:09:00] | Juski: | they have a habit of maxing out the PCI bus.. basically fucking anything else on the bus by not letting them get a look in |
| [02:10:00] | Juski: | early adopters never learn ;-) |
| [02:10:00] | Juski: | anyhoo – time for bed.. and I'll leave yous in peace |
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| [02:11:00] | Juski: | night all |
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| [02:30:00] | andrer: | are there NO good cards that use bt878 ? |
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| [02:32:00] | kormoc: | andrer, not really, no |
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| [02:33:00] | mofu: | Anyone gotten this error lately: |
| [02:33:00] | mofu: | DTVSM(0): Ignoring encrypted program |
| [02:34:00] | andrer: | kormoc: and what about the SAA7XXX (7130 and 7133) are they good? |
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| [02:34:00] | mofu: | This CBS HD, over Comcast Cable |
| [02:34:00] | kormoc: | andrer, compaired to the pvr 150, not really |
| [02:34:00] | andrer: | kormoc: i can't really get a hauppauge as I can't find one that would be in pal format |
| [02:34:00] | kormoc: | andrer, what country are you in? |
| [02:34:00] | andrer: | brazil |
| [02:34:00] | mofu: | SVN shows a bug that was marked fixed in November |
| [02:35:00] | butabi: | omg, ive got 3 dvb cards, all three hauppauge nova-se2, and one of them is unable to play channels of a certain transponder, and im finding out NOW that the other cards are just fine with it :) |
| [02:35:00] | butabi: | perfect |
| [02:35:00] | kormoc: | andrer, looks like more the pvr-250 supports pal-n better then the 150 does |
| [02:35:00] | andrer: | kormoc: it's pal-m |
| [02:36:00] | andrer: | kormoc: and still, i can't find hauppauge cards to purchase ;) |
| [02:36:00] | kormoc: | welp, in that case, your bttv card is likely gonna be good enough |
| [02:37:00] | andrer: | kormoc: i've found: all pixelview cards, pinnacle pctv 50 and 110i |
| [02:37:00] | andrer: | (saa7133) |
| [02:38:00] | topping: | any ideas how to interpret output from mtd regarding no entry in dvdinput? |
| [02:38:00] | topping: | i see the table there with data, but this dvd won't lookup properly |
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| [02:41:00] | topping: | so when mtd sees a disc, does it use the fr_code to look up in the database? |
| [02:43:00] | andrer: | kormoc: is there any hauppauge card that accepts both ntsc AND pal/secam? (on the same card, not different models) |
| [02:45:00] | kormoc: | andrer, nope |
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| [02:46:00] | stevenm: | Hi. Should mythweb be installed on frontend, backend, or does it not matter ? |
| [02:46:00] | nomin: | what other programs are available for recording cable tv? I've tried to use mythtv but it turned out to be a real hassle. I can watch cable tv easily, but I can't record it yet on linux. |
| [02:46:00] | ShockValue: | 0.19 yet!!@#(!*@!#!?????? |
| [02:47:00] | stevenm: | ShockValue, what will be new in 0.19 ? |
| [02:47:00] | ShockValue: | stevenm – back, i believe.. but i bet you could get it to point whereever you wanted if you knew how.. (which i dont :)) |
| [02:47:00] | ShockValue: | better xvmc, built in dvd player.. those are 2 that im looking forward 2 |
| [02:48:00] | stevenm: | ShockValue, xvmc? dvd player – as in, dvd goes into backend and watched onto frontend? |
| [02:48:00] | bmk789: | mythTV is still being developed? |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | bmk789: Actively yes |
| [02:48:00] | ShockValue: | nomin – mythtv has a large learning curve, but IMHO, it's the best out there (including microsoft's) |
| [02:48:00] | bmk789: | i read there hasnt been an update since last may so i assumed it was forgottenn |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | bmk789: There hasn't been an official release since then, but there is a lot of development going on |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | and a release "any day now" |
| [02:49:00] | ShockValue: | nah, there's tons of messages daily on the mailing list.. 0.19 is days away (from what i hear) |
| [02:49:00] | bmk789: | cool |
| [02:50:00] | bmk789: | i bet itll take forever for the update to get to the ubuntu repo though |
| [02:50:00] | ShockValue: | stevenm – no, dvd player like, no xine or mplayer needed |
| [02:51:00] | ShockValue: | anyone want to donate to the ShockValue needs a HD3000 fund? :D |
| [02:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | lol |
| [02:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm my 300 gig hd wont feel big for long |
| [02:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | is there a program that at the end of the day it takes all the video and encodes it to mpeg-4 |
| [02:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | or something smaller? |
| [02:53:00] | mofu: | Yellow-Snow: are you talking about mangling a nice HD file?? |
| [02:53:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i guess? |
| [02:53:00] | mofu: | kind of defeats the purpose |
| [02:53:00] | topping: | anyone know how mtd and dvdinput work together? is mtd complaining simply because the movie is 704x480 and those don't precisely exist in dvdinput? |
| [02:54:00] | Yellow-Snow: | what u mean mofu |
| [02:54:00] | topping: | what is mtd trying to get out of that table anyway? |
| [02:54:00] | topping: | is it the v_format field? |
| [02:54:00] | topping: | in the end, i can't do anything but perfect rips, which is a bit on the large size |
| [02:55:00] | ShockValue: | do they make car stereos which can read mp3's from burned dvd's? |
| [02:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | idk i have one that plays mp3's.. not dvds tho! |
| [02:55:00] | mofu: | Yellow-Snow: the picture quality comes largely from the bitrate . . . . a fancy codec isn't going to save much without dropping the resolution or quality |
| [02:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ah ok |
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| [02:55:00] | ShockValue: | i dont are about dvd movies, just that it can read mp3's from a dvd.. ya know? |
| [02:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | er idk shock.. i mean i do |
| [02:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | but i have one.. and um.. cd's are enough imo |
| [02:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ~150 per cd? |
| [02:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i got my cdplayer for 150 |
| [02:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | well worth it b/c the amount of time i sit in trafiic is nuts |
| [02:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | best to have endless music |
| [02:56:00] | ShockValue: | i have a music collectoion of 12000 songs though ... :/ |
| [02:56:00] | ShockValue: | yeah yeah.. i know i only listen to 25% of them, but still thats 3k |
| [02:56:00] | topping: | ioic, the dvdinput table must be used for flux inverter baseline data |
| [02:57:00] | topping: | it turns water into wine |
| [02:57:00] | ShockValue: | right, when it gets 18.1 jiggawatts |
| [02:57:00] | topping: | wow, how could i have missed that |
| [02:59:00] | bmk789: | i believe its 1.21 jiggawatts |
| [02:59:00] | bmk789: | wait im thinking of the flux capatitor |
| [03:01:00] | ShockValue: | oooo they do make them.. awesome |
| [03:04:00] | Gumby: | trying to get mythtv up and running on fc4. Ive followed thbe docs at wilsonet.com and everything is great until I try to view livetv. it plays for 1–2seconds then freezes then after about 15–20 second goes back to the mythtvfrontend screen and says "Error was encountered while displaying video" anyone have anywhere I might check to find out why? |
| [03:04:00] | nomin: | I need to learn the concepts and philosophies behind mythtv in order to be able to install it... |
| [03:04:00] | Gumby: | nothing appears in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log or in /var/log/messages |
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| [03:04:00] | nomin: | is mythtv designed to be a server that other computers can watch tv off of? |
| [03:05:00] | Gumby: | nomin: if you choose it to be yes |
| [03:05:00] | ShockValue: | Gumby, can you capture live tv for longer than a few outside of mythtv? |
| [03:05:00] | ShockValue: | nomin – yeah, thats the beauty of frontend/backend architecture. set up one backend, and let as many frontend machines connect to it as you want |
| [03:05:00] | Gumby: | ShockValue: yes. cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works just fine |
| [03:05:00] | topping: | "unable to initialize plugin: mythvideo". running frontend with -v tells me nothing |
| [03:05:00] | topping: | any ideas |
| [03:05:00] | topping: | ? |
| [03:06:00] | ShockValue: | topping – perhaps a re-install of mythvideo? |
| [03:06:00] | Gumby: | ShockValue: I can also view recorded programs also |
| [03:06:00] | Gumby: | so I am totally lost as to what might be wrong |
| [03:06:00] | topping: | yah it was working before i built from svn trunk |
| [03:06:00] | topping: | yawn |
| [03:06:00] | ShockValue: | Gumby- weird, so the backend can record for longer than a few seconds too? hmmmm |
| [03:07:00] | Gumby: | I havnt tried recording... one sec |
| [03:07:00] | topping: | ah they didn't install |
| [03:07:00] | topping: | lovely |
| [03:07:00] | nomin: | is mythtv designed to run a a server? I just want to record cable tv on my home pc. I don't need the complicated server stuff that mythtv has. What can I do about this? I don't know what to do. |
| [03:07:00] | Yellow-Snow: | knoppmyth |
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| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | nomin: Myth is split into pieces. mythbackend handles all recording, storage and communication with your capture card(s). Myth frontend plays the content. You can run both processes on a single pc or on multiple, it's up to you |
| [03:08:00] | Gumby: | nomin: what tv tuner card do you have? |
| [03:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | 99% of users just run it all on one machine |
| [03:09:00] | Manolis: | Gumby: how much free space do you have ? |
| [03:10:00] | Gumby: | Manolis: 200+GB |
| [03:11:00] | Manolis: | Gumby: what kind of video card? |
| [03:11:00] | nomin: | I have a hauppauge wintv GO-plus card. I can watch cable tv very easily on linux. I can't record it yet. I can record on windows, but I prefer to use linux. |
| [03:11:00] | Gumby: | it appears that the tuner isnt "tuning" the channels properly. when Ichose to record a program it recorded the wrong channel, but it did record well aty least |
| [03:11:00] | Gumby: | Manolis: geforce 4 mx |
| [03:11:00] | Gumby: | Iwas also able to watch the recorded show as it was recording |
| [03:11:00] | Manolis: | Gumby: nVidia driver 8178? |
| [03:11:00] | Gumby: | I am guessing its a tuning issue |
| [03:12:00] | Gumby: | Manolis: 7667 IIRC |
| [03:12:00] | Gumby: | Manolis: I dont think the nvidia driver is the issue though, the only thing mythtv doesnt seem able to do is watch livetv. |
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| [03:16:00] | jnunez: | Hey all! |
| [03:17:00] | ShockValue: | Gumby 18.1? |
| [03:17:00] | ShockValue: | or 0.18–1 ? |
| [03:17:00] | butabi: | omg, i just dont get it why 1 out of 3 cards of the same model doesn play some channels ... i just dont. period. |
| [03:18:00] | nomin: | how come I don't hear about mythtv in mainstream media? this sounds like a really cool and useful program that many people would like, especially in USA's tv culture. |
| [03:18:00] | bmk789: | can mythbackend be run on a system without a display manager? |
| [03:18:00] | topping: | bmk789: yes |
| [03:18:00] | Manolis: | bmk789: sure |
| [03:18:00] | ShockValue: | nomin – same reason you dont see people running linux, i would guess. |
| [03:19:00] | ShockValue: | ("in the main stream") |
| [03:19:00] | bmk789: | nomin- because microsoft owns the media |
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| [03:28:00] | nomin: | darn, I think I'm gonna have to go through the effort required to install mythtv. I'll give it another shot. |
| [03:29:00] | topping: | mythfrontend displays a dialog that says "Myth could not locate the menu file dvd_settings.xml". does that mean i did a bad upgrade of mythdvd? |
| [03:29:00] | nomin: | mythtv sounds to me like it does a lot of cool stuff, I'll have to try it out. |
| [03:29:00] | Gumby: | ShockValue: sorry.... yes 0.18.1 |
| [03:30:00] | Gumby: | this boggles me |
| [03:32:00] | ShockValue: | yikes.. this merlin movie is 3 hours long.. there goes that plan |
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| [03:33:00] | Gumby: | lol |
| [03:36:00] | Gumby: | hrm, well.. something I did got it to work |
| [03:36:00] | Gumby: | either 1) restarting the backend 2) adding my slave backend 3) removing an old stale nvidia libs package |
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| [03:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | has anybody ever seen it to where a backend/frontend will not load up the recorded programs but a remote frontend will? |
| [03:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I cant seem to get the stuff loaded on my backend/frontend combo |
| [03:40:00] | Manolis: | SlicerDicer- does MythWeb on the backend show the recorded programs? |
| [03:42:00] | cosmo_: | Manolis, yes |
| [03:42:00] | cosmo_: | Manolis, bah, nevermind, Im assuming that wasn't a generalized question |
| [03:42:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Manolis: yes it does |
| [03:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | everything works cept the damn frontend part of the backend |
| [03:43:00] | SlicerDicer-: | any ideas? |
| [03:44:00] | Manolis: | SlicerDicer-: try mythtv-setup and verify the IP's are the same as those used by the remote frontend |
| [03:44:00] | SlicerDicer-: | brb |
| [03:45:00] | SlicerDicer-: | yep the ip's are correct |
| [03:45:00] | cosmo_: | SlicerDicer-, are you running iptables? I found that to get the backend/frontend working I had to allow communications from my loopback to the normal ethernet device, that is, it would not work lo to lo |
| [03:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nah no iptables |
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| [03:47:00] | SlicerDicer-: | any ideas? |
| [03:48:00] | cosmo_: | look in dmesg? |
| [03:48:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont see anything stupid going on |
| [03:49:00] | cosmo_: | couldn't hurt I guess |
| [03:49:00] | cosmo_: | hmm |
| [03:49:00] | cosmo_: | could be your mysql database forbidding access of your mysql user from localhost? |
| [03:49:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hell if I know |
| [03:50:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I mean mythvideo works |
| [03:50:00] | cosmo_: | hmm, not network related then |
| [03:50:00] | Manolis: | Parental controls in the backend's Frontend config? just a guess... |
| [03:51:00] | topping: | so it looks like themes changed between 0.18.1 and svn trunk, but for some reason, my client is not configured right |
| [03:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont have parental controls |
| [03:51:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
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| [03:52:00] | topping: | frontend is looking for something called dvd_settings.xml |
| [03:53:00] | scottder: | Is there any way during transcoding to use the commflags as the cutlist? |
| [03:53:00] | SlicerDicer-: | but yeah mythweb and a remote frontend show everything to be there just that backend/frontend wont show nothing |
| [03:54:00] | Manolis: | Default Group Filter to Apply? --> All Programs? (under setup/tv settings/playback) |
| [03:55:00] | topping: | strange, i guess it didn't compile and install from the recursive installation i did |
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| [04:01:00] | Gumby: | I am getting very little volume when using my bttv card (first card is ivtv, second is bttv). If I turn PCM up full I can hear a slight bit of audio and it is synced with the video. The only way to get the audio louder is to unmute line in, but the audio is of course out of sync. |
| [04:01:00] | Gumby: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [04:01:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Manolis: the weird part about this is that mythvideo works |
| [04:01:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mythvideo depends on the database so I know thats working |
| [04:03:00] | Manolis: | SlicerDicer- you could always dump the db then readd the recordings with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [04:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | errm |
| [04:03:00] | SlicerDicer-: | just the recordings part of the db? |
| [04:04:00] | SlicerDicer-: | but why would it work on one frontend but not the other |
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| [04:25:00] | jnunez: | I just upgraded to ivtv-0.4.2 do I need to re-run mythtv-setup |
| [04:25:00] | redline--: | yes cause there was a change in .2 |
| [04:25:00] | kormoc: | redline--, ooh? what change? |
| [04:25:00] | redline--: | clear your cards and add them |
| [04:26:00] | redline--: | something with the way it handles video0 |
| [04:26:00] | jnunez: | redline--: Do I need to clear the channels too? |
| [04:26:00] | redline--: | shouldnt |
| [04:26:00] | redline--: | i read it on the mailing list and release info |
| [04:26:00] | jnunez: | cool thanks, hoping this upgrade will fix my ir blaster on the pvr 150 |
| [04:27:00] | redline--: | ivtv drive me up a wall |
| [04:27:00] | redline--: | i get good sound out of a standard rg6 connect but not out of svid or coposite |
| [04:28:00] | jnunez: | I have serial IR Trans and blaster but can't seem to get it to work with the 150 on the pc |
| [04:28:00] | jnunez: | with just the 150's ir rec and trans I can receive |
| [04:28:00] | jnunez: | brb |
| [04:30:00] | redline--: | .19 released yet? |
| [04:30:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [04:30:00] | redline--: | sooo close |
| [04:31:00] | nomin: | I wish there was a mythtv for dummies. I will create it if I can get it to work. I believe that ordinary people are smart and that I can teach them anything. |
| [04:32:00] | nomin: | I am one of the best when it comes to getting ordinary people to learn new things. |
| [04:32:00] | nomin: | I can prove it |
| [04:32:00] | bmk789: | if i get the hang of mythTV ill make some scripts for automatic downloading, compiling and installing |
| [04:33:00] | dtm: | mythtv for dummies is the fedora howto afaic |
| [04:33:00] | redline--: | bmk talk to juski |
| [04:33:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, you mean like gentoo does? |
| [04:33:00] | bmk789: | whats gentoo do? i havent used gentoo yet |
| [04:33:00] | redline--: | emerge mythttv |
| [04:34:00] | redline--: | and your done |
| [04:34:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, download it and compile it all automatically |
| [04:34:00] | dtm: | lol what's gentoo do? it recompiles your OS for no reason. |
| [04:34:00] | kormoc: | dtm, that's not true at all |
| [04:34:00] | bmk789: | ya ubuntu has packages in the repo but not for AMD64, so first ill write a script that downloads, compiles and installs mythTV on ubuntu amd64 |
| [04:34:00] | kormoc: | bmk789, would be much better to just make a .deb for ubuntu |
| [04:35:00] | redline--: | ubuntu claims to work on everything, i d/l a live cd the other day and it dont work on my laptop |
| [04:35:00] | redline--: | x wont start |
| [04:36:00] | bmk789: | ya i guess a .deb would be easier |
| [04:37:00] | redline--: | what i would love is an installer for ivtv |
| [04:37:00] | redline--: | with a gui frontend for all the options and an explanation for each |
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| [04:46:00] | SlicerDicer-: | dtm: ever seen a issue where the the backend/frontend wont display the recordings in the list but everything else does? |
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| [04:53:00] | SlicerDicer-: | :/ |
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| [05:03:00] | topping: | this xbox has svn client installed... hilarious |
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| [05:17:00] | ShockValue: | gentoo only recompiles your OS if you dont knwo what you're doing |
| [05:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | ShockValue: indeed :) |
| [05:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | damn I wish I could figure out whats causing this stupid problem with my mythtv recordings menu |
| [05:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | :/ |
| [05:18:00] | SlicerDicer-: | annoying as hell |
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| [05:20:00] | ** Cardoe sighs. ** | |
| [05:20:00] | Cardoe: | I wish I could get TV out from my ppc box |
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| [05:21:00] | dtm: | Cardoe: Your wish has been granted! Long live dtm. |
| [05:21:00] | dtm: | Cardoe: go try it again. |
| [05:22:00] | dtm: | Cardoe: what are you doing? ppc linux? that's what's running my backend |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | dtm: lol |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | yeah ppc linux |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | it's the box in my living room |
| [05:22:00] | dtm: | hooray. |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | since it's the smallest thing I've got. |
| [05:22:00] | dtm: | what kinda hardware and distro is it |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | and I'm looking at getting another. |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | Gentoo |
| [05:22:00] | Cardoe: | Pegasos |
| [05:22:00] | dtm: | :-o |
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| [05:24:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: you ever seen anything like that? |
| [05:24:00] | SlicerDicer-: | mythweb and remote frontends will display the recordings but the frontend/backend combo will not? |
| [05:25:00] | qfour21: | hello all. I just got an HD-3000, and have been following Jarod's guide... he claims that for FC4, it should "just work", however, I'm not seeing anything at /dev/dvb* and all the diagnostic tools that shipped with the card are not able to tune anything using /dev/video32 (what myth appears to see the card as). |
| [05:25:00] | qfour21: | What kernel modules should be loaded for the HD3000? |
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| [05:28:00] | Cardoe: | SlicerDicer-: never |
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| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: well its happend to me! |
| [05:30:00] | SlicerDicer-: | haha |
| [05:31:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I am totally confused :/ |
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| [05:38:00] | Cardoe: | yeah that's weird |
| [05:38:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, as is my 'bug' |
| [05:38:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, you rolling out a new snapshot anytime soon? :P |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | is there anyway I can remerge the deps for mythtv? |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | maybe a dep has gone beserk? |
| [05:38:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I mean what kinda dep would cause something like that? |
| [05:39:00] | kormoc: | emerge --only-deps --empty-tree mythtv or similar |
| [05:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | I dont even know what myth needs offhand :/ |
| [05:39:00] | kormoc: | but you'll get a huge list |
| [05:39:00] | kormoc: | or try revdep-rebuild |
| [05:39:00] | SlicerDicer-: | checking |
| [05:40:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: going to try my best |
| [05:40:00] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: yay |
| [05:40:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: wish my ppc box would work with TV out |
| [05:41:00] | kormoc: | yeah... |
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| [05:41:00] | topping: | hmm, looks like mtd from trunk locks the cd drive when it's done |
| [05:41:00] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: nothing related to mythtv really that I can see |
| [05:42:00] | topping: | is there a way to have mtd eject the disc when it is done? |
| [05:49:00] | SlicerDicer-: | thats not a bad idea topping |
| [05:49:00] | SlicerDicer-: | hmm |
| [05:49:00] | xris: | rtsai: so which patches am I testing? |
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| [05:55:00] | ShockValue: | ugh, so ivtv 4.2 depends on hotplug eh? |
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| [06:03:00] | ShockValue: | k, so i upgraded to ivtv 4.2, and now my remote doesnt work anymore (lirc). i dont see any reference to lirc in my "lsmod" list... (I think there was before?)... what'd i screw up? |
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| [06:06:00] | Gumby: | I am getting very little volume when using my bttv card (first card is ivtv, second is bttv). If I turn PCM up full I can hear a slight bit of audio and it is synced with the video. The only way to get the audio louder is to unmute line in, but the audio is of course out of sync. |
| [06:06:00] | Gumby: | anyone have any idea as to where I might look? |
| [06:07:00] | ShockValue: | gumby, i find that with alsa mixer sometimes i have to crank up weird channels to get the volume to a normal volume. but im using bitstream out, so im not sure if its the same for you |
| [06:08:00] | Gumby: | bitstream? |
| [06:11:00] | ShockValue: | umm, not sure of name.. passes digital output to my reciever |
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| [06:13:00] | Gumby: | Ive had issues where I havnt selected the proper sound input before, but what I have should be correct, after all.. if I choose to unmute the "line" line, I hear the sound |
| [06:14:00] | Gumby: | its just somewhere inbetween the input and mythtv video/audio out that it gets messed up |
| [06:20:00] | ShockValue: | weird.. upgrading from 4.0 to 4.2 ivtv made it so i had to manually load lirc_i2c |
| [06:20:00] | ShockValue: | not sur ehow that works, but .. it works.. so i guess thats OK :) |
| [06:21:00] | kormoc: | brb |
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| [06:23:00] | ** j-rod makes his first appearance on irc in 6+ months... ** | |
| [06:23:00] | kormoc: | mornin j-rod! |
| [06:23:00] | j-rod: | 'sup |
| [06:23:00] | j-rod: | Just finished composing my letter of resignation to Linux Networx. :) |
| [06:24:00] | dtm: | :-o |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | so where ya going to? |
| [06:24:00] | j-rod: | Red Hat |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | ahh, right, Kernel Engeneer? |
| [06:24:00] | j-rod: | Packin' up and movin' out east. |
| [06:24:00] | j-rod: | yup |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [06:25:00] | dtm: | j-rod: in RTP? |
| [06:25:00] | Netslayer: | have a myth network setup here.. for years. just built the client on my desktop and the frontend won't connect to my server |
| [06:25:00] | j-rod: | been bouncing off the walls all night |
| [06:25:00] | j-rod: | RTP? |
| [06:25:00] | Netslayer: | i can do a msql -h ... mythconverg ... and it connects fine but the frontend just doesn't want to |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | j-rod, if you meet a Rob Crittenden, tell him kormoc sends his reguards :) |
| [06:25:00] | j-rod: | will do |
| [06:26:00] | j-rod: | dtm, the job is in Westford, MA |
| [06:26:00] | dtm: | oic |
| [06:26:00] | Netslayer: | I keep getting the db config wizard screen then logs: "Unable to connect to database! Database not open while trying to save setting: Language" |
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| [06:27:00] | j-rod: | It'll be nice to get out of the black hole I've been in... |
| [06:29:00] | kormoc: | j-rod, ooh? black home? |
| [06:29:00] | kormoc: | *black hole? |
| [06:31:00] | topping: | from black hole to red hat |
| [06:31:00] | j-rod: | high-security areas, no contact w/the outside world |
| [06:32:00] | dtm: | j-rod: is Linux Networx a good place otherwise? |
| [06:32:00] | kormoc: | ahh, fair nuff |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | freakish network security that allows no outside email access during the day, outside of webmail (well, or some ssh tunneling through proxies) |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | LN is a pretty good company |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | I'm an on-site guy for a big customer |
| [06:33:00] | j-rod: | said customer does lots of DOD work |
| [06:33:00] | j-rod: | its a TON of fun trying to fix a cluster when you're not allowed to touch the keyboard and you have to walk a monkey through it. :) |
| [06:34:00] | kormoc: | haha, I'd bet |
| [06:34:00] | ShockValue: | speaking of DOD.. i was sitting through a "benefits" meeting today, and the lady presenting exclaimed that the US now spends more on healthcare than military spending... |
| [06:35:00] | ShockValue: | and i was like... "why do you say that like it's a bad thing?" |
| [06:35:00] | ShockValue: | i dont think she even had a clue |
| [06:35:00] | ShockValue: | i mean, how dare we spend more money on helping the sick than killing people! |
| [06:35:00] | ** ShockValue goes back to his corner after his little rant. ** | |
| [06:35:00] | dtm: | HEY! THERE'S SEX IN MY VIOLENCE! |
| [06:36:00] | topping: | ShockValue: that could only be because the cost of treating the maimed soldiers coming back from the killing fields has risen sharply |
| [06:36:00] | ShockValue: | + mcdonalds :) |
| [06:36:00] | Gumby: | mmmmm mcdonalds |
| [06:38:00] | adante: | does myth auto expire thumbnails as well as the recordings? |
| [06:38:00] | adante: | just used mythrename and realised i seem to have a stack of orphanged pngs |
| [06:39:00] | dtm: | adante: yeah if you delete it in mythfrontend, it deletes the png. i just checked. |
| [06:39:00] | dtm: | i have no orphaned png |
| [06:39:00] | dtm: | according to this --> for i in *png ; do file $(basename $i .png) ; done |
| [06:41:00] | dtm: | j-rod: so they probably don't allow telecommuting huh ^_^ |
| [06:43:00] | j-rod: | I'll be telecommuting for a bit while I get the fam packed, find a place in MA, sell my place in WA, etc |
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| [07:08:00] | Netslayer: | is this a normal error if i can't connect to my mysql db? 2006-02–09 23:08:30.300 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [07:09:00] | Netslayer: | 2006-02–09 23:08:30.300 Unable to connect to database! |
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| [07:10:00] | chuckyp: | Netslayer: are you installing mythtv |
| [07:11:00] | Netslayer: | i already have a workign myth network...adding a frontend |
| [07:11:00] | Netslayer: | it just cant connect |
| [07:11:00] | Netslayer: | i can run mysql -h 192.x... .. etc and it connects fine manually |
| [07:12:00] | chuckyp: | I haven't set up any frontends yet I'm i'm kind of a newb when it comes to mysql |
| [07:12:00] | Netslayer: | auh.. i've been using mythtv for 5 years :-P got lots of experience but this is odd |
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| [07:22:00] | ShockValue: | j-rod: at least you picked a good time to sell your house in WA :) |
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| [08:27:00] | Netslayer: | auh this makes more sense |
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| [08:27:00] | Netslayer: | mythbackend: [ebuild R ] dev-db/mysql-4.0.25-r2 |
| [08:27:00] | Netslayer: | mythfrontend: [ebuild U ] dev-db/mysql-5.0.16-r3 [5.0.15] |
| [08:27:00] | Netslayer: | dang it.. now i have to recompile mysql and mythtv |
| [08:30:00] | Netslayer: | 32 minutes left in merge time .. not too bad |
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| [08:41:00] | chuckyp: | Netslayer, what are you doing again? |
| [08:42:00] | Netslayer: | frontend wasn't connecting to db |
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| [08:43:00] | chuckyp: | ah |
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| [10:39:00] | juski: | morning |
| [10:39:00] | dtm: | hi |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | when I was a lad, a kilobyte was 1024 bytes. apparently not now. it's 1000 bytes now. wtf? |
| [10:40:00] | dtm: | right. |
| [10:40:00] | dtm: | that way, you get more. |
| [10:40:00] | dtm: | more of the datas on your boxes |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | so it's a marketing-led thing? |
| [10:40:00] | juski: | ;-) |
| [10:41:00] | Merlin83b2: | It's always been 1000 bytes for hard disks. |
| [10:41:00] | Merlin83b2 is now known as Merlin83b | |
| [10:41:00] | juski: | I prefer to think that HDD manufacturers have always mislead & talked bollocks... |
| [10:41:00] | dtm: | juski: yes, the marketers give you the more datas. |
| [10:41:00] | juski: | infact _all_ manufacturers have done that |
| [10:42:00] | dtm: | i created two dvd-to-kvcds with mencoder. one remuxes fine with mplex and the one which is output down to 24000/1001 fps has problems with mplex. on that one, i'm getting mplex's "Stream e0: data will arrive too late sent" and "Frame data under-runs detected!" and frame-drop related errors. i no longer have the source media to reencode. what can i do now? |
| [10:42:00] | juski: | I'm just shocked I missed the new definitions in 1998 |
| [10:42:00] | Merlin83b: | KiB, etc? |
| [10:43:00] | dtm: | 1998 was a year of revelry and heroism and skullduggery. |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | dtm: oops |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | re-record the show? |
| [10:47:00] | dtm: | no, sorry, i am fresh out of hollywood masters |
| [10:47:00] | dtm: | for my DVDs |
| [10:47:00] | dtm: | all i have is the source kvcd mpeg file to remux. |
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| [10:56:00] | directhex|work: | argh. there's painfully little "yes or no" documentation on (legitimately) viewing encrypted dvb-t stuff with Myth |
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| [11:12:00] | juski: | directthex|work: it can probably be done, but folks really don't like talking about CAMs |
| [11:13:00] | juski: | with a hardware CAM in a compatible card it should be a breeze, allegedly |
| [11:14:00] | juski: | you might have to get a CAM from TuTV themselves.. SECA2 is the encryption method & I'm not sure they're widely available in the UK |
| [11:15:00] | juski: | finding a DVB-T tuner card with a common interface isn't easy either. I think there are only one or two available |
| [11:26:00] | juski: | df |
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| [11:47:00] | juski: | wow. sata connectors on HDDs have a pretty short mating cycle life :-O like > 10 ... that's not good |
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| [12:01:00] | tvee: | hi |
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| [12:21:00] | tvee: | where can i find the tv_grab_<LANG> files? |
| [12:25:00] | directhex|work: | juski, i've *got* an official top-up CAM, and a subscription for it, plugged into my TV. what i don't have (currently) is the ability to record from it |
| [12:25:00] | directhex|work: | juski, the card in question is the technotrend budget t-1500, with CI daughterboard. but i want to be *sure* that it works with myth, before binning my functional wintv |
| [12:31:00] | DGnome: | Is there supposted to be lirc-configuration in the frontend-gui? |
| [12:31:00] | juski: | DGnome: nope |
| [12:31:00] | juski: | it's linux.. edit the text file |
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| [12:32:00] | DGnome: | juski: and lircrc is supposed to be in ~/.mythtv/lircrc? |
| [12:32:00] | juski: | directthex|work: tough call to make. though I'd happily bin any software encoder card ;-) |
| [12:32:00] | DGnome: | just making sure |
| [12:32:00] | juski: | DGnome: yes |
| [12:33:00] | bmk789: | has anyone found a way to build gaim or similar into mythTV? |
| [12:33:00] | juski: | bmk789: see mythphone |
| [12:33:00] | DGnome: | juski: well, now I'm atleast sure we have support for lirc in myth and everywhere else but myth seems to ignore lircrc :/ |
| [12:33:00] | DGnome: | irw works ans so on |
| [12:34:00] | juski: | DGnome: what are you talking about? I've got one lircrc file which works for myth, xine & mplayer |
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| [12:35:00] | DGnome: | juski: well. myth sems to ignore everything in the rc-file that has prog=mythtv |
| [12:36:00] | juski: | DGnome: been down this road with you before I think. your lircrc key definitions don't match what's in the lircd.conf file and it's as simple as that |
| [12:37:00] | DGnome: | ok, WHY does IRW then report Back, Esc and the likes? |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | because that's what the keys are defined as in the lircd.conf file |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | the definitions in your lircrc file must _exactly_ match those in the lircd.conf |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | Esc means Esc, not esc (etc) |
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| [12:41:00] | DGnome: | juski: double tripple check. |
| [12:42:00] | DGnome: | mythfrontend just does not seem to read lircrc |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | something else that might be screwing it up is the fact that your lircd.conf has more than one remote definition in it IIRC |
| [12:42:00] | juski: | _some_ keys work, which means that it _is_ reading the lircrc |
| [12:45:00] | directhex|work: | juski, it's dvb, no such thing as a software encoder \o/ |
| [12:45:00] | directhex|work: | though i have a wintv go somewhere |
| [12:47:00] | juski: | directthex|work: there'd be no harm in adding the card to try it anyway... video sources & cards can come & go as you see fit ;-) It's no hassle or risk if you take precautions like backing up your DB |
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| [12:48:00] | DGnome: | juski: heres my lircd.conf http://pastebin.ca/40999 |
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| [12:49:00] | juski: | DGnome: okay – and now your lircrc file. remind me which keys work & which don't |
| [12:50:00] | laga: | hiya juski |
| [12:50:00] | juski: | hi laga |
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| [12:51:00] | juski: | it's friday (yay!) the day before I have to go under my livingroom floor again |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | friday? *shrug* i have school tomorroew |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | :/ |
| [12:51:00] | DGnome: | juski: http://pastebin.ca/41000 <-- right left up down ok work fine. |
| [12:51:00] | juski: | on a saturday?! wow. that's harsh |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | juski: yep. :) we're supposed to have a day off on monday for compensation. guess who has to show up on monday as well ;) |
| [12:52:00] | ** juski deletes a swathe of mailing list lame questions & comments ** | |
| [12:52:00] | laga: | juski: mythtv-users, i suppose? :) |
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| [12:53:00] | directhex|work: | juski, i'm speccing up a new backend |
| [12:53:00] | juski: | DGnome: only thing I can see in that lircrc file is that the arrow keys have a repeat parameter |
| [12:54:00] | juski: | laga: super-bad monday eh? and not much of a weekend |
| [12:56:00] | synthetiq: | mythtv is not only a portal to view tv it can broadcast to a server right? , what is the bandwith over head and is it on a epr channel basis? |
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| [12:57:00] | juski: | sythetiq: mythtv can stream between other mythtv boxen. bandwidth depends on lots of different things |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | let's just say a wireless connection generally won't cut it |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | unless it's a very fast wireless connection |
| [12:58:00] | synthetiq: | is there a set rate |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | no |
| [12:58:00] | synthetiq: | such as per concurrent call in voip you need 80kbps |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | no |
| [12:58:00] | synthetiq: | whats the maximum |
| [12:59:00] | directhex|work: | about 5mbit |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | hdtv.. about 15Mbits/sec or more |
| [12:59:00] | directhex|work: | 15 on hd? |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | per stream |
| [12:59:00] | directhex|work: | that's more than i thought it was... |
| [12:59:00] | synthetiq: | ok non hdtv |
| [12:59:00] | juski: | up to 8Mbits/sec |
| [13:00:00] | synthetiq: | is that for multiple channels or single chan |
| [13:00:00] | directhex|work: | per channel |
| [13:00:00] | juski: | per channel |
| [13:00:00] | synthetiq: | argdamn |
| [13:01:00] | directhex|work: | though more commonly it won't go over 5mbit on dvb-t |
| [13:01:00] | juski: | more like won't go over 2.1Mbits/sec on UK DVB-T |
| [13:01:00] | synthetiq: | isnt regular tv 320x240 ? |
| [13:01:00] | juski: | _ever_ |
| [13:01:00] | juski: | snythetiq: nope |
| [13:02:00] | juski: | PAL = 720x576 frame size, NTSC = 720x480 ish.. active picture area is actually less |
| [13:02:00] | synthetiq: | so the 480x480 wont cut it |
| [13:03:00] | juski: | yes, it'll look okay but not as good as full res. |
| [13:03:00] | synthetiq: | this is my plan |
| [13:03:00] | juski: | but if you have a crap tuner or TV you won't notice the difference |
| [13:03:00] | synthetiq: | i have a colloc server in amsterdamn |
| [13:03:00] | juski: | forget it |
| [13:03:00] | directhex|work: | though now we're confusing raw mpeg2 with software encoding, since with dvb it'll just feed back the signal |
| [13:03:00] | synthetiq: | i want to bring a tv channel from there here |
| [13:03:00] | synthetiq: | (US) |
| [13:04:00] | juski: | forget it |
| [13:04:00] | directhex|work: | you could record stuff and download the .nuv files |
| [13:04:00] | juski: | you could... |
| [13:04:00] | directhex|work: | but you've got no hope for streaming |
| [13:04:00] | Merlin83b: | Or have it auto transcode to DivX or something. |
| [13:04:00] | synthetiq: | yea i was hoping to stream |
| [13:04:00] | juski: | not at watchable resolutions on affordable pipes |
| [13:05:00] | juski: | streaming TV is mightily cacky, a bit like my mood this afternoon |
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| [13:06:00] | ** synthetiq bashes head against wall ** | |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | if you can put up with 320x240 it's possibly do-able |
| [13:06:00] | laga: | juski: did you mean 'caky'? ;) |
| [13:06:00] | directhex|work: | cacky! |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | cakey? ;-) |
| [13:06:00] | synthetiq: | id have to lay fiber to europe |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | just move to Europe (do the right thing) |
| [13:06:00] | juski: | :-D |
| [13:07:00] | Hoxzer: | damn Ordering IR-reciever is taking like over a week |
| [13:07:00] | juski: | streaming good quality TV isn't just about the bandwidth of the video... add overheads, packet loss etc & it goes up |
| [13:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Man, if I told my Fiancee we were moving to Europe she would freak |
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| [13:07:00] | directhex|work: | why? we have tasty food here |
| [13:08:00] | juski: | lol |
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| [13:08:00] | laga: | err |
| [13:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Freak in agood way, she's wanted to move over there for a long time |
| [13:08:00] | laga: | did you some guy from the UK just say something about 'tasty food'? |
| [13:08:00] | juski: | I'm off before I pick up a pool cue & whack someone |
| [13:08:00] | ** laga boozes juski ** | |
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| [13:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | and has a special love affair with wanting to move to England |
| [13:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Always bugging me to look for a Job there :) |
| [13:09:00] | synthetiq: | direct where in .eu are you |
| [13:09:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: hehe, i'd love to have a woman like that. mine would never want to move to europe :) |
| [13:09:00] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, we have stiff upper lips here |
| [13:09:00] | directhex|work: | and fine local ales |
| [13:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Hehe |
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| [13:10:00] | synthetiq: | are there any special codecs i can buy or what not that compresses the stream..divx was mentions how much bandwidth will divx take up? |
| [13:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | I love it here, but honestly I don't mind moving to somewhere new, I see every home like I do every job... just the step to the next one |
| [13:11:00] | directhex|work: | how many opterons will be doing the encoding? |
| [13:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | synthetiq: the bandwidth depends on the bitrate you choose for the audio and video |
| [13:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | regardless of the codec |
| [13:12:00] | directhex|work: | juski, actually, now i think of it, the lack of info on using *paid* encrypted services sucks. i had to look all over the place for any details whatsoever on (e.g.) Sky or ntl via TV cards – and most of the reports were conflicting |
| [13:13:00] | synthetiq: | well im looking for regular cable tv quality |
| [13:14:00] | directhex|work: | you won't get that, full stop, without high bandwidth |
| [13:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | If someone wants to add wiki info on using legitimate hardware CAM's with DVB cards with a CI slot that's great, But Softcam discussion, regardless of if a uaser claims to be paying for the service is persona non grata |
| [13:14:00] | synthetiq: | my server coloc has a 100mbit connection...i have 10mbit dedicated |
| [13:15:00] | laga: | that should work. but synthetiq, don't ya think it'd cost a lot of traffic (=money)? |
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| [13:15:00] | synthetiq: | so we all says 5.5mbps will be the rate |
| [13:16:00] | synthetiq: | i really was hoping a big rate liek that bring in multiple channels =/ |
| [13:16:00] | directhex|work: | no, that's per channel |
| [13:16:00] | laga: | synthetiq: why not re-compress it with VLC on the fly? add some denoising if you go analog cable and you might be good to go at 2mbps. that'll likely use a lot of CPU |
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| [13:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | synthetiq: You can go lower. It really depends a lot on the source as well. Analog cable has a lot of noise |
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| [13:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | If you are using a DVB stream then the incoming channel wont be much more than 2–3Mbit and will look much better than analog at 5Mbit on average |
| [13:17:00] | laga: | dvb is nice. i'm supposed to get DVB-T here this year, but i'm sure that hell will freeze over before that happens |
| [13:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [13:18:00] | synthetiq: | what are the commercial alternatives to mythtv? |
| [13:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | We're suppose to get some OTA HDTV channels here this year, so that should be nifty |
| [13:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | MCE ? |
| [13:19:00] | synthetiq: | mce=? |
| [13:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are a few windows based ones, though most don't allow for streaming from a central most to smaller frontends, or at least last I looked. Except when using a media externder with MEC |
| [13:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Windows Media Center Edition |
| [13:19:00] | synthetiq: | i am not looking to watch tv of my computer, just directly to my tv |
| [13:20:00] | synthetiq: | should save a lot of processing being jsut passthru |
| [13:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | No, it would require MUCH more bandwidth |
| [13:20:00] | directhex|work: | indeed |
| [13:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | uncompressed video is a TON of data |
| [13:21:00] | directhex|work: | you can build a reasonable mythfrontend for £300, with a dvd writer |
| [13:21:00] | synthetiq: | amsterdamn tv tmf -> server with tuner card -------------cross-atlantic----------------------------> server with tunner card ---------> tv |
| [13:21:00] | directhex|work: | synthetiq, that's not how it works |
| [13:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Which is why you send compressed data over the wire to the device and then have the display decompressed and display to the output |
| [13:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | The tuner is only required on the recording source |
| [13:22:00] | synthetiq: | well thats what im looking for ? direct |
| [13:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | tv signal -> server with tuner -> pc with tvout card -> tv |
| [13:22:00] | synthetiq: | yea |
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| [13:24:00] | synthetiq: | maybe i can buy soem digital cable interface? |
| [13:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | To do what ? |
| [13:25:00] | synthetiq: | i dunno, i just wanna watch this damn chan on my tv |
| [13:26:00] | synthetiq: | streamed |
| [13:27:00] | directhex|work: | so buy an 8mbit transatlantic leased line |
| [13:27:00] | directhex|work: | sorted |
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| [13:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | With has the technology to do what you want, the bandwidth is up to you |
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| [13:29:00] | synthetiq: | so is this is why we have limits on oru cable tv as to how many channels we can see |
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| [13:29:00] | synthetiq: | the bandwith on the fiber |
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| [13:29:00] | synthetiq: | 120 channels good for 1GB/s |
| [13:30:00] | synthetiq: | which comes over the coax cable anyways |
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| [13:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
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| [13:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | synthetiq: If low bandwidth is an issue you can look into using vlc to transcode on the fly. It can record the show, transcode to a lower bitrate(and change codecs/wrappers if you like) and stream that to you. You can lower it as far as you find acceptable to watch |
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| [13:42:00] | juski: | directthex|work: you know why you can't find any info on decryting $ky or NTL legally on a PC? because there's _no_ way to do it. $ky have kept their encryption in-house, as have some other providers |
| [13:43:00] | juski: | and cable providers come down heavy on peeps who connect non-approved equipment to their networks |
| [13:44:00] | juski: | and no, they don't approve of any equipment but their own |
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| [13:46:00] | stuarta: | sky's encryption is one of the few that haven't been cracked. |
| [13:46:00] | awilkins: | Did anyone else have some buttons stop working on their remote with the last SVN update? |
| [13:46:00] | synthetiq: | man |
| [13:47:00] | synthetiq: | i jsut hate tv in US |
| [13:47:00] | synthetiq: | i came abck from europe |
| [13:47:00] | synthetiq: | to see this rerun shit and same crap everyday |
| [13:48:00] | directhex|work: | juski, and top-up? it's hard enoguh finding info on that. the only guides relate to a dragon & joshyfun softcam under windows |
| [13:49:00] | ** laga slaps directhex|work with a garden gnome ** | |
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| [13:50:00] | stuarta: | directx: barely worth watching... |
| [13:52:00] | directhex|work: | stuarta, television x! |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | ukgold... 'great' |
| [13:52:00] | juski: | televisionx.. don't make me laugh |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | softcore at its cheesiest |
| [13:53:00] | directhex|work: | juski, the law on porn is saddening really |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | better can be had for free on any alt.binaries group ;-) |
| [13:53:00] | juski: | (so I've heard) ;-) |
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| [13:56:00] | juski: | anyway there's lots to be said for some women keeping their clothes on |
| [13:57:00] | stuarta: | make do with redhot... :-) |
| [13:57:00] | cosmo_: | evidently, in college, bill gates once paid a stripper to put her clothes back on |
| [13:58:00] | juski: | yeh .. redhot – the non-free free pr0n channel |
| [13:58:00] | juski: | guess the PID ;-) |
| [13:59:00] | stuarta: | don't you mean free, non-free??? |
| [13:59:00] | stuarta: | It's a good way to learn the internals of siparser & mpegstreamdata :) |
| [14:00:00] | juski: | the 'we couldn't afford the fees for a real crypto' channel |
| [14:00:00] | stuarta: | it's only topup that's doing it that way AFAIK... |
| [14:01:00] | juski: | anyway – the future for topup isn't looking good |
| [14:01:00] | juski: | they rent mux space from channel five, who want to use it for their own channels soon |
| [14:01:00] | stuarta: | wasn't supposed to make it past xmas |
| [14:02:00] | juski: | filmfour go on freeview in the clear before too long aswell |
| [14:02:00] | stuarta: | ch5 recently became a major stockholder.. |
| [14:02:00] | stuarta: | or was it itv? |
| [14:02:00] | stuarta: | digitalspy is quite good a keeping up with all of this. |
| [14:02:00] | juski: | dunno... the fact that c5 want their mux space back is unavoidable |
| [14:03:00] | stuarta: | not even vaguely surprising... |
| [14:03:00] | juski: | more quiz channels, yay! |
| [14:04:00] | ** stuarta hates shopping & quiz channels... ** | |
| [14:04:00] | juski: | 10 plus 2 = A (12) B (14) C (16)... answer A is wrong, btw |
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| [14:04:00] | stuarta: | 18? |
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| [14:04:00] | juski: | probably ;-) |
| [14:05:00] | juski: | calls cost £5 a minute |
| [14:05:00] | juski: | thing that concerns me is, yes all these channels are dire, but if nobody was using them they'd go under.. so that means... (!) |
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| [14:07:00] | queuetue: | I'd like to put together a myth box for my living room – are there any hardware configurations out there I could start with? (Small, Quiet, Maybe even Cheap?) |
| [14:07:00] | juski: | btw folks.. series 5 of '24' begins this Sunday on $ky one |
| [14:08:00] | directhex|work: | queuetue, do you want a combined back-front end, or split? analog or digital tv? |
| [14:08:00] | stuarta: | juski: what do you think people in coucil flats do all day?? |
| [14:08:00] | queuetue: | directhex|work: I've got enough servers here that split would work well. Analog TV, with a digital upgrade a year or more out. |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | queuetue: small, quiet _and_ cheap? hmmmmm :-/ |
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| [14:09:00] | stuarta: | s/coucil/council |
| [14:09:00] | queuetue: | juski: Wel, I said *maybe* cheap. :) |
| [14:09:00] | directhex|work: | small, quiet & cheap is easy for a frontend |
| [14:09:00] | juski: | stuarta: watch Sky TV & drink Special Brew.. that's what they do all day long |
| [14:09:00] | directhex|work: | though you need a bigger cpu for analog |
| [14:09:00] | stuarta: | I'm still waiting for those roku boxes |
| [14:10:00] | stuarta: | juski: and playing stupid quiz channels... |
| [14:10:00] | juski: | stuarta: to come to the UK or have you ordered some? |
| [14:10:00] | Merlin83b2: | I'm patiently waiting for my Tranquil T2e to arrive. |
| [14:10:00] | stuarta: | to come to the uk |
| [14:10:00] | juski: | they've got UK prices on their website |
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| [14:10:00] | juski: | and will they decode MPEG4 hd? |
| [14:10:00] | queuetue: | directhex|work: Where would I look for hardware recommendations (or hopefully, simply lists of tested component bundles)? |
| [14:10:00] | stuarta: | really... must check again... Supposedly... |
| [14:11:00] | stuarta: | supposed to do HD in hardware.... |
| [14:11:00] | juski: | queuetue: mythtv isn't what's picky about hardware. Linux is |
| [14:12:00] | directhex|work: | queuetue, i'm looking at (for frontends only): silverstone lc05; via epia sp8000; 256mb corsair value ram; nec dvd+-rw; samsung 40gib sata |
| [14:12:00] | directhex|work: | queuetue, fat-assed backend though |
| [14:12:00] | queuetue: | juski: I'm not sure how your statement changes my request. ;) |
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| [14:12:00] | Merlin83b: | Epia SP is with the CN400 chipset, right? |
| [14:12:00] | directhex|work: | Merlin83b, yeah |
| [14:12:00] | juski: | directthex|work frontends don't need HDDs ;) |
| [14:13:00] | Merlin83b: | Is CN400 all supported now? |
| [14:13:00] | queuetue: | directhex|work: I've got a nice Athlon 64 system that has plenty of spare CPU for the backend. |
| [14:13:00] | directhex|work: | Merlin83b, will be by the time i can afford new kit ;) |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | ask NanoITX next time he's in |
| [14:13:00] | Merlin83b: | lol |
| [14:13:00] | directhex|work: | juski, i'm too lazy to read up on pxeboot |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | queutue: you don't need a big cpu for a backend |
| [14:14:00] | stuarta: | pxeboot isn't much different to the old bootp/tftp |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | the grunt is needed to decode & show TV, not record it (if you're using digital or hardware encoder cards) |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | pxeboot took me about 30 mins to get working |
| [14:14:00] | juski: | follow the yellow brick wiki |
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| [14:15:00] | laga: | nfsroot took me about three days to get working ;) |
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| [14:19:00] | juski: | frontend boots in ummm.. about 60 seconds or less to mythfrontend |
| [14:19:00] | Merlin83b: | Have you played with software suspend stuff, juski? |
| [14:20:00] | juski: | nah |
| [14:20:00] | juski: | it's about time motherboards had like 256MB boot flash |
| [14:21:00] | stuarta: | usb key? |
| [14:21:00] | juski: | get the kernel in something fast ;-) |
| [14:21:00] | juski: | usb key isn't much faster than network apparently |
| [14:21:00] | Merlin83b: | linuxbios.org :-) |
| [14:21:00] | laga: | juski: well, use linuxbios ;) |
| [14:21:00] | stuarta: | at least MB's support booting off them |
| [14:22:00] | juski: | linuxbios is mostly a pipedream for most graphically oriented things |
| [14:22:00] | Merlin83b: | Hmm, it's supported on Epias! |
| [14:22:00] | juski: | read the fine print |
| [14:25:00] | juski: | they basically say that linuxbios is great for very light applications |
| [14:25:00] | Merlin83b: | http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/X11_on_EPIA-M |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | heh.. that's come on a bit |
| [14:26:00] | ivor: | juski: my epia is 25 seconds power no to frontend. :P |
| [14:26:00] | ivor: | s/no/on |
| [14:26:00] | juski: | 25 seconds? like how? |
| [14:26:00] | ivor: | whoooooosh. kazooom. |
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| [14:27:00] | juski: | like how did you manage that? what boot process / distro etc? |
| [14:28:00] | ivor: | lfs, stripped down kernel, fast POST, zero second grub, no services, no window manager. |
| [14:29:00] | laga: | no window manager? good luck with mythvideo... |
| [14:31:00] | ivor: | laga: works fine for me. |
| [14:32:00] | ivor: | besides.. I know what I'm doing. :P |
| [14:32:00] | laga: | hehe :) |
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| [14:33:00] | johnp_: | ivor: So how hard is lfs to do? I've often wondered about it but never quite got around to doing it. |
| [14:34:00] | ivor: | johnp_: very straightforward, but time consuming. |
| [14:34:00] | ivor: | and obviously you're responsible for your own package management |
| [14:34:00] | ivor: | so no "apt-get dist update" |
| [14:35:00] | johnp_: | ivor: I might screw up my courage and give it a go then. |
| [14:35:00] | ivor: | an excellent way for really getting the hang of what makes up a linux system and how everything hangs together. |
| [14:36:00] | laga: | LFS is just copy and paste, imho. |
| [14:36:00] | ivor: | laga: and READING. which is the whole point. :) |
| [14:36:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [14:37:00] | ivor: | laga: each step says now we'er going to do this and this... because it gives us this... and we need to patch it because... etc etc. |
| [14:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | A friend of mine and I had out on lfs distro, but we did everything on our own. He wrote his own init, I wrote several compile scripts to automate compiles and a simple packagemanagement system |
| [14:37:00] | ivor: | that's the main value of doing it. |
| [14:37:00] | juski: | ahh.. a proper ricer thingy ;-) |
| [14:38:00] | juski: | in a nice way I mean |
| [14:38:00] | laga: | ivor: i know, i did my own LFS once |
| [14:38:00] | juski: | do everything yourself and actually gain a measurable difference from it |
| [14:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | And Eventually we had a cd we could pop into a box and then 12–24 hours later have a running box hehe |
| [14:38:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: sounds SOOO much like a gentoo stage 1 |
| [14:38:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:39:00] | juski: | nah. too short a time to be stage 1 |
| [14:39:00] | juski: | stage 3 maybe |
| [14:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Yeah,. but this was long before gentoo existed :) |
| [14:39:00] | ivor: | Beirdo: well sort of. but the whole point of the lfs is to actually read the text. :) |
| [14:39:00] | Beirdo: | I think my stage 1 on a Celeron 566 was about 18h |
| [14:39:00] | ivor: | think it took three days for my first v4.0 lfs. :) |
| [14:39:00] | Beirdo: | thankfully, I have no X, no Qt |
| [14:39:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [14:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | And we actually wrote it, configured and set it up, not just downloaded something and told the system to do it for us : |
| [14:39:00] | johnp_: | I get the feeling you're meant to "read the text" :p |
| [14:40:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, tis cool GreyFoxx... :) |
| [14:40:00] | Beirdo: | everyone should attempt something like that once |
| [14:40:00] | Beirdo: | makes you really appreciate the packaging done by the distros |
| [14:40:00] | laga: | oh yeah, hehe |
| [14:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I modelled it after the OpenBSD ports tree. After compiling a package was made and installed by my basic system, then we could gather the packages and use them later |
| [14:41:00] | laga: | but i believe my english was too bad back then so i didn't understand much. maybe i'll try it again in a few years or so :) rock linux sounds like a nice meta distro as well, BTW |
| [14:41:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [14:41:00] | Beirdo: | sooo gentoo-like in concept :) |
| [14:41:00] | Beirdo: | except they stole the FreeBSD structure :) |
| [14:42:00] | Beirdo: | I love being a prick first thing in the morning |
| [14:42:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:42:00] | Beirdo: | good morning all |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | Beirdo: you talking about rock linux? |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | Beirdo: good afternoon ;) |
| [14:42:00] | Beirdo: | no, about GreyFoxx's pre-gentoo gentoo-like fun |
| [14:42:00] | laga: | oh, k |
| [14:43:00] | Beirdo: | but it's a valuable exercise |
| [14:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hehe It;s why when I first saw Gentoo , I was like "WTF....this looks like Navi! (our distro) |
| [14:43:00] | Beirdo: | I bet he knows way better than the "average" Linux user how it all works |
| [14:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | but we did it for fun, never intended for others to use it heh |
| [14:44:00] | Beirdo: | ;) |
| [14:44:00] | Beirdo: | geeks |
| [14:44:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [14:44:00] | ivor: | oh indeed. |
| [14:44:00] | ivor: | I always recommend people don't use lfs when they ask me what distro I use. :D |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | I usually get asked 3 questions |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Q: What distro do you use? A: Slackware |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Q: Is it easy and will do everything for me? A: No |
| [14:46:00] | ivor: | Q3: ok what should I use? |
| [14:46:00] | Baylink: | Mornin, Gav |
| [14:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Q: What distro could I use that will be easy? A: No idea, I pick the best choice for me, not the easiest for the general population |
| [14:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | One of these days I'll drop ubuntu in a vm session just to see what it is that all the cool kids are clammering about |
| [14:48:00] | ivor: | GreyFoxx: yeah had a bit of a play with it. seems ok. |
| [14:49:00] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, it's a reasonably smart desktop distro, with reasonably smart autoconfiguration. just don't try to deviate from the supplied packages too much |
| [14:49:00] | stuarta: | just debian with timelines |
| [14:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | In the end , no matter what distro I get stuck with I know enough to work around anything that bothers me |
| [14:49:00] | directhex|work: | stuarta, and autoconfiguration |
| [14:50:00] | directhex|work: | i use it on my laptop, it's great for that purpose. but it gets in the way a bit on my "play" machine (i.e. my desktop) compared to real debian |
| [14:50:00] | stuarta: | nice to know, haven't found an opening when I can reinstall... |
| [14:51:00] | stuarta: | think I'll just put deb amd64 on when I get a chance... |
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| [15:00:00] | Beirdo: | Morning, Baylink |
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| [15:10:00] | Baylink: | Hey, Beirdo. You've got a link on IRCfaq to the old wiki; could you update that? |
| [15:11:00] | Beirdo: | sure, I'll try to fix that. could you email me so I don't forget? |
| [15:11:00] | Beirdo: | I don't know that I'll have time today during the work day, and my DSL at home is STILL borked. fuckin Bell |
| [15:12:00] | laga: | make sure you're not running out of epg data ;) |
| [15:12:00] | Beirdo: | it's only been about 4 days. |
| [15:12:00] | Beirdo: | 4 hellish days |
| [15:13:00] | laga: | maybe you should download some websites and take them home on CD/DVD? |
| [15:13:00] | laga: | or print gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | jeez, I have enough shit to watch anyways |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | and another 4 rolls of film to scan tonight |
| [15:14:00] | laga: | heh |
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| [15:15:00] | Beirdo: | that will take me all night too |
| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | did 3 rolls (98 pictures) last night |
| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | I think the 4 I have to do are about the same number of shots |
| [15:16:00] | laga: | is that any fun at all? |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | I watch TV while it does it |
| [15:18:00] | laga: | fair enough |
| [15:18:00] | stuarta: | sounds like how I do my coding... |
| [15:20:00] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [15:20:00] | Beirdo: | I think I might actually watch Das Boot while scanning tonight |
| [15:20:00] | laga: | with captain jürgen prochnow *snickers* |
| [15:21:00] | laga: | we had a deal here where you'd get a big bottle of jägermeister and the DVD of 'Das Boot' – guess you need it for the movie |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | it's been sitting on my PVR for over a month |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | why not tonight |
| [15:21:00] | stuarta: | that's a fun way to spend an evening :) |
| [15:22:00] | Beirdo: | watched "Death to Smoochy" the other night |
| [15:22:00] | Beirdo: | GOD that movie sucked major quantities of ass |
| [15:23:00] | jams: | yes it did |
| [15:23:00] | stuarta: | title is bad enough. |
| [15:23:00] | Cromz: | so Beirdo gives it two thumbs down, and kicks the directors dog. |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | it was filmed like 3 blocks from here |
| [15:25:00] | laga: | oh, canadian movie. right. |
| [15:25:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | about half of hollywood stuff is filmed in Canada these days |
| [15:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | and most CBS TV movies and a lot of "american" tv shows |
| [15:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I find it amusing to pick out locations in Halifax during a CBS Movie that supposedly takes place in some city in the US |
| [15:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or that same beach location in Vancouver that appears in so many TV shows |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [15:30:00] | Baylink: | "Stone Cold" |
| [15:40:00] | laga: | juski: coume's birthday is the 13th of february. we should remember that :) |
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| [15:56:00] | juski: | laga: thanks for letting me know |
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| [15:59:00] | juski: | having my performance review on the 13th :-/ |
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| [16:09:00] | juski: | telnet 172.16.121.36 |
| [16:09:00] | juski: | cw_memtest all |
| [16:09:00] | juski: | oops |
| [16:10:00] | Beirdo: | ?! |
| [16:10:00] | juski: | wrong terminal |
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| [16:35:00] | psymin: | I'm thinking about getting a Hauppauge 350 .. and I am a total noob. I hear that it can output video signal to a TV. Where on the PCI card would I connect to the TV? Is it the same location that I would connect to for capturing signal from a video source? |
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| [16:37:00] | mlehrer: | i'll bet you could use google and find a photo with details on where to hook everything up |
| [16:38:00] | juski: | psymin: download & RTFM from Hauppauge's website |
| [16:38:00] | psymin: | mlehrer: I've done so. The images of the 350 are very similar to the 150 that I have. My 150 has no video-out. |
| [16:38:00] | psymin: | juski: Thx |
| [16:38:00] | juski: | if you want to play xvid/divx / dvd with ac3/DTS, forget the PVR350 btw... |
| [16:39:00] | juski: | graphics card TV outputs & CPUs are now a lot better than they used to be when the 350 card was first introduced |
| [16:39:00] | juski: | use the money to buy a PVR500 card instead ;-) |
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| [16:41:00] | psymin: | 500 has video output? |
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| [16:42:00] | juski: | no the pvr500 has 2 tuners |
| [16:42:00] | juski: | unless your CPU is puny there's no longer a need to buy the PVR350 IMHO |
| [16:42:00] | psymin: | unless you want video output =] |
| [16:43:00] | juski: | er... I use the onboard svideo output of my motherboard |
| [16:43:00] | juski: | used to use a nvidia 5200 card's svideo output |
| [16:43:00] | psymin: | Just blew the dust off of an old machine. |
| [16:43:00] | juski: | I don't know where you got the idea you _have_ to have a PVR350 to get video out of a PC into a TV |
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| [16:44:00] | juski: | that said, it's _fine_ for just MPEG2 playback |
| [16:44:00] | psymin: | juski: I don't have that idea. I just want to reduce expenditures and there is limited PCI slots available. |
| [16:45:00] | juski: | well, go ahead & get a 350 card but bear in mind you won't be able to play transcoded recordings with it |
| [16:45:00] | juski: | not on a slow, old machine |
| [16:45:00] | juski: | :) |
| [16:49:00] | juski: | btw what are you calling old? |
| [16:50:00] | mlehrer: | is the pvr500 nstc/pal only? |
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| [16:50:00] | mlehrer: | or can it do 720p |
| [16:50:00] | psymin: | mlehrer: I'll bet you could use google and find that info =] .. j/k |
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| [16:50:00] | mlehrer: | heh |
| [16:53:00] | psymin: | juski: Its my friends 500mhz machine .. I'll be testing it with my 150 over the weekend to see if it will even work |
| [16:54:00] | juski: | paymin: 500mhz is almost enough to play mpeg2 on its own |
| [16:55:00] | juski: | easily enough for a backend machine, as far as recording is concerned anyway |
| [16:55:00] | juski: | transcoding / commflagging won't be fast though |
| [16:55:00] | psymin: | I don't think he intended either transcoding or commflagging .. mostly just wanted a bulky expensive vcr |
| [16:56:00] | juski: | lol |
| [16:56:00] | juski: | that's what you get with just one tuner |
| [16:56:00] | psymin: | watching on a television is one of his desires |
| [16:57:00] | juski: | if the pc has an AGP slot, save money & buy a cheap nvidia card with TV out instead |
| [16:57:00] | juski: | then buy a pvr150 with a view to adding another later |
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| [17:02:00] | Gumby: | I am getting very little volume when using my bttv card (first card is ivtv, second is bttv). If I turn PCM up full I can hear a slight bit of audio and it is synced with the video. The only way to get the audio louder is to unmute line in, but the audio is of course out of sync. |
| [17:02:00] | Gumby: | any idea as to where I might look? |
| [17:03:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, if you get that solved, tell me too =) |
| [17:03:00] | Gumby: | lol |
| [17:03:00] | Merlin83b: | No idea. |
| [17:03:00] | Merlin83b: | Um, ww. |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | maybe turn your capture volume up instead of the output volume |
| [17:03:00] | Gumby: | Beirdo: tried that already unfortunately. |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | get a better sound card? |
| [17:04:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, I _always_ forget to turn down the volume after watching myth and my ears will soon bleed |
| [17:04:00] | Gumby: | using alsamixer I've set "Line" to full (but muted) |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | in the capture screen, there is a slider for capture volume (for most mixers) |
| [17:05:00] | ** Gumby checks ** | |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | not the one for the source, but a master capture slider |
| [17:05:00] | Arkkis: | Beirdo, I have also tried every setting I can find, and only solution I have come up to is to boost my stereos to max |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | I think it's on the right side on my laptop at home |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | Arkkis: get a better soundcard maybe :) |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | or instead, buy a PVR150 :) |
| [17:05:00] | Gumby: | Ive had this working before without any issue. fc4 just isnt playing nice |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:06:00] | Arkkis: | Beirdo, I have soundblaster live 1024, and it has worked fine elsewhere except with myth |
| [17:06:00] | Arkkis: | Beirdo, I'll buy a better card, but not just yet, as myth does not support finnish subtitles yet |
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| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | recent Creative products have craptacular ALSA driver support if I heard correctly |
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| [17:07:00] | Arkkis: | Beirdo, this card is like from 2000 |
| [17:07:00] | Arkkis: | not a new one |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | tried OSS drivers instead of ALSA? |
| [17:07:00] | Arkkis: | nope |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | might be worth a try |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | or it might just be a waste of time |
| [17:07:00] | Arkkis: | but one has gotta remember that I'm using ye olde hauppauge with external cable to provide the sound |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [17:08:00] | Arkkis: | (for some reason I have not been able to get the sound directly from there, I think my card should support it tho) |
| [17:10:00] | Gumby: | ok, I have my capture set to 100% in alsamixer. still very little sound |
| [17:10:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, what's your tvcard? |
| [17:10:00] | Gumby: | my input should be set to "line" correct? |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | to whatever you are connected to |
| [17:11:00] | Gumby: | Arkkis: ati tvwonder VE |
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| [17:12:00] | Gumby: | yeah, if I unmute line I have great sound |
| [17:12:00] | Arkkis: | Gumby, ah |
| [17:12:00] | Gumby: | tvtime works great |
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| [17:12:00] | Beirdo: | tvtime doesn't capture |
| [17:13:00] | Gumby: | yes, I know that. But at least that means there isnt a problem with the tuner cards ability to grab audio nor the sound cards ability to receive the audio |
| [17:14:00] | Gumby: | I'm aparantly missing something |
| [17:14:00] | Beirdo: | but it may mean there is a problem with the soundcard capturing audio (whether hardware or mixer settings) |
| [17:16:00] | stuarta: | have a good weekend everyone... |
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| [17:20:00] | juski: | Gumby: try this: plug a walkman or something into your soundcard's line input & fiddle with a sound recording app – adjust the recording mixer settings & see if the recording is too quiet in that |
| [17:20:00] | ** Beirdo pouts ** | |
| [17:20:00] | juski: | that'll tell yer whether or not it's myth to blame (and myth won't be to blame I'll bet) |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | I don't wanna give up bacon, dammit! |
| [17:20:00] | juski: | Beirdo.. so er.. don't give up bacon |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | f'ing cholesterol |
| [17:21:00] | ** Beirdo was happy to be ignorant ** | |
| [17:21:00] | juski: | don't eat this, don't drink that, don't smoke dat... lecture lecture... don't be happy is what they mean |
| [17:21:00] | Gumby: | juski: Ive already determined that the input on its own is working fine. If I unmute Line andwatch tv with tvtime the sound is perfect |
| [17:21:00] | juski: | Gumby: I'm talking about the _recording_ path for audio |
| [17:21:00] | Gumby: | juski: turkey bacon isnt all that bad |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | juski: better to limit bacon than to have a heart attack |
| [17:22:00] | juski: | tvtime doesn't use the recording path |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | turkey bacon isn't bacon |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | I want my smoked dead pig! |
| [17:22:00] | juski: | make a few test recordings with a sound recorder on your system |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:22:00] | juski: | Beirdo: just don't have it every day ;-) |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | yeah. "avoid or eat in moderation" |
| [17:22:00] | Gumby: | juski: which app might I try doing that with? |
| [17:22:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go with "eat in moderation" |
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| [17:24:00] | juski: | Gumby: I dunno... not done much sound recording in linux on account of there not being any multitrak apps I know of |
| [17:25:00] | Gumby: | ok, well..... I'll play with it later. I still have a pvr250 and another bttv card on a slave backend to use. I must get to work now. thx for the input beirdo and juski |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | good luck :) |
| [17:25:00] | juski: | indeed... good luck |
| [17:26:00] | ** juski reminds himself to add audio compression/limiting to the feature request list if it's not already there. tired of being deafened by promos on comedy central ** | |
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| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | I hope you are ready to provide patches :) |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | dynamic compression/limiting would take a whack of CPU, no? |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | and I think we'd want it on playback, not on recording as DVB and ivtv record directly |
| [17:29:00] | juski: | Beirdo: on playback would be okay |
| [17:29:00] | juski: | it doesn't necessarily have to whack a CPU either |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | wonder how much CPU it would really take. |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure plenty of us would turn it on if it worked well enough :) |
| [17:30:00] | juski: | in Sony Vegas I can compress/limit, EQ, pitch shift etc about 16 tracks & play video simultaneously |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | or you can just buy a dbx box to put between the computer and the TV :) |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:30:00] | juski: | Beirdo: it'd have to be one that passes DTS |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | not for me it wouldn't |
| [17:31:00] | juski: | btw on my vegas machine it's only 2.8GHz CPU |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | "only" |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:31:00] | juski: | oops.. not even that – it's an ath-schlong |
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| [17:31:00] | juski: | what's an athlon 2800 in GHz? about 2? ;-) |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | approx |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait. 'blows |
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| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | put in a knoppmyth CD, boot, then cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:33:00] | juski: | lol |
| [17:34:00] | juski: | last knopp cd I burned has coffee cup marks all over it for some reason |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | and NFG on the recorded side? |
| [17:35:00] | juski: | about the size of it |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | I have a stack of NFG CDs and DVDs to use as coasters |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:36:00] | juski: | just thought of a reason we couldn't have audio limiting in myth.. latency |
| [17:36:00] | juski: | :-/ |
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| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | depends on how much latency |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | if it's less than 100ms, most people won't be able to tell |
| [17:37:00] | juski: | hmmm true |
| [17:38:00] | juski: | and since we're always playing back a recoding I guess we could 'look ahead' a little |
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| [17:39:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, might get tricky, but should be doable in theory |
| [17:40:00] | juski: | xine can do it on the fly – at least sample rate conversion & channel juggling |
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| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | well, I need food |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | how about some bacon-wrapped shrimp... that should be good for the cholesterol :) |
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| [18:13:00] | juski: | it's about that time |
| [18:13:00] | juski: | later y'all |
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| [18:30:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey what bitrate does tivo record at? |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | how the heck would WE know? |
| [18:31:00] | Beirdo: | is this #tivo? :) |
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| [18:31:00] | Yellow-Snow: | any idea on the quality difference? |
| [18:31:00] | mik3: | all i know is it records at 480x480 resolution |
| [18:31:00] | oblib: | I'm trying to work MythTV in Ubuntu, and oft times, if I just start up myth and try to watch tV, it says /dev/dsp is busy. If I try again it works okay. Anyone know why? |
| [18:32:00] | oblib: | It also does not work after coming back from a suspend |
| [18:35:00] | oblib: | I have ESD running. Can I tell MythTV to pipe sound through that? Or even better through jack? |
| [18:36:00] | mlehrer: | mythtv seems to only allow mpeg2, mpeg4, and rjpeg to transcode recordings to – is it possible to use xvid? |
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| [18:36:00] | tvee: | hi |
| [18:36:00] | psymin: | oblib: silly question, but does /dev/dsp exist? |
| [18:36:00] | psymin: | oblib: oh, nevermind .. didn't read you question fully |
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| [18:38:00] | tvee: | i've been struggling allday trying to get livetv with mythtv, i'm getting the message: "failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()" i thoughed this had something todo with lirc, but afther installing it, i'm getting the same message, anyone that might have a clue what could be wrong? i'm using a PVR-150 using IVTV , when reading directly from /dev/video0 i'm getting a valid video stream. |
| [18:39:00] | tvee: | btw i'm also getting "Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/var/cache/mythtv//ringbuf1.nuv |
| [18:39:00] | tvee: | " |
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| [18:39:00] | psymin: | tvee: Which distro are you using? |
| [18:40:00] | psymin: | tvee: I've had that problem using gentoo when the permissions on / were wrong during install. Only reason I ask =] |
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| [18:41:00] | tvee: | psymin, i'm using ubuntu |
| [18:42:00] | psymin: | tvee: Might still be informative to verify the permissions on the dir .. and all its parent dirs |
| [18:42:00] | tvee: | psymin, on which dir? |
| [18:42:00] | psymin: | tvee: /var/cache/mythtv /var/cache /var and / |
| [18:43:00] | psymin: | ls -ld / |
| [18:43:00] | tvee: | psymin, hhmmm toobad i've put /var/cache/mythtv to mod 777 allready |
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| [18:43:00] | tvee: | psymin, and the path to it is 755 |
| [18:44:00] | psymin: | cool, sorry for suggesting the obvious =] |
| [18:44:00] | Chicago: | I want to take a snapshot while watching tv. Ksnapshot just shows blue instead of the actual frame of video. How do I take a snapshot of TV? |
| [18:44:00] | tvee: | psymin, thanks anyhow :-) |
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| [18:44:00] | tvee: | psymin, you got it solved do, by doing? |
| [18:44:00] | psymin: | tvee: Permissions on my / were very odd .. changed to 755 fixed it |
| [18:45:00] | tvee: | psymin, strange |
| [18:46:00] | ** psymin shrugs. ** | |
| [18:47:00] | Chicago: | Do I have to do something big like record the video, and then extract a frame...? or can't I just push a button and save a snapshot while it's playing livetv. |
| [18:50:00] | tvee: | psymin, btw do i need this ringbuf1.nuv to be located in /var/cache/mythtv ? cause that directory is empty on my box |
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| [18:53:00] | tvee: | psymin, btw i'm getting this message when starting the mythtv-backend "Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [18:53:00] | tvee: | " allthough i get this message, the backend is running "ps auxf | grep -i myth" |
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| [18:54:00] | mlehrer: | Chicago: maybe try disabling Xv |
| [18:55:00] | mlehrer: | just use x11 |
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| [18:57:00] | Chicago: | mlehrer: are you talking about "General playback (part 2)" where I currently have "Use Xv picture controls" unchecked? |
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| [18:59:00] | mlehrer: | Chicago: that sounds like it. |
| [18:59:00] | mlehrer: | but i'm not sure |
| [19:00:00] | Chicago: | mlehrer: do you know if there's an X screenshot utility? I was using ksnapshot |
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| [19:00:00] | mlehrer: | though i would expect it to be in playback and not general |
| [19:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chig: You can take a screenshot from the commandline |
| [19:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | import -window root file.jpg |
| [19:01:00] | laga: | re |
| [19:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming you have ImageMagick installed |
| [19:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | which pretty much everyone does |
| [19:04:00] | Chicago: | GreyFoxx: yeah, I have ImageMagick. Now I have mythfrontend running in a window. lemme see howto import just that mythfrontend window as an image... |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | run xwininfo in an xterm |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | then click on mythfrontend |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | it will spit out some info including a window id |
| [19:04:00] | Chicago: | GreeFoxx: niced |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | then in that same xterm import -window 0xFFFFF file.jpg |
| [19:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | where 0xFFFFF is the window id |
| [19:05:00] | laga: | inmport foo.jpg will give allow to clickety on windows |
| [19:05:00] | laga: | import* |
| [19:05:00] | laga: | without the -window option |
| [19:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Cool, I've always added -window |
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| [19:05:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: :) |
| [19:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | but then 99% of my screenshots have been fullscreen |
| [19:06:00] | laga: | so were mine :) |
| [19:06:00] | Chicago: | GreyFoxx, laga: bot of those gave me blue backgrounds... Most of my screenshots have been fullscreen also. |
| [19:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | Chig: Are you attepting to get a screenshot of the playing video ? |
| [19:06:00] | Chicago: | GreyFoxx: yes |
| [19:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | If so you will have to relaunch without XV output enabled |
| [19:07:00] | laga: | Chicago: start mythfrontend like that: 'NO_XV=1 mythfrontend' – that's gonna be slow as hell, though |
| [19:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | cause X itself never has a copy of that data for you to grab |
| [19:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's fed directly through the xv extensions to the video card |
| [19:07:00] | Chicago: | hmm: well maybe there is a better way to do what I want. I'm trying to catch a screenshot of each of the channels I usually watch. |
| [19:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just run with NO_XV=1 like he said |
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| [19:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | make your screenshots, then run it like normal again :) |
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| [19:10:00] | Chicago: | GreyFoxx, laga: much better. NO_XV=1 did it. |
| [19:10:00] | Chicago: | GreyFoxx, laga: am I really making jpg files like you said or are they pngs? if they are jpegs than is there a compression setting to adjust? |
| [19:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | If you want a png, use the extension png |
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| [19:16:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm my recordings get blurry for 1 second every now and then.. i guess thats simi normal |
| [19:17:00] | Yellow-Snow: | but maybe only i can notice it.. anywho... if i have a 20inch tv.. should i adjust my resolution or bitrate? |
| [19:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or both ? |
| [19:17:00] | laga: | blurry? could you please define that? :) |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | I think the answer would be yes |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | tweak until the video is as satisfactory as you can get for your uses |
| [19:18:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm changing the bitrate has more of an effect then the res? |
| [19:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | depends |
| [19:18:00] | Yellow-Snow: | no point in high res w/ a 20 inch tv right? |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | if you don't increase the bitrate, increasing the resolution will make the video WORSE |
| [19:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | Current I'm recording at 544x480, 4–6mbit |
| [19:19:00] | Yellow-Snow: | 1 hour = how many gig? |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | however decreasing the resolution at the same bitrate will result in better video |
| [19:19:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm |
| [19:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | then i should drop my resolution right? |
| [19:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow, I get around 2G an hour |
| [19:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | since my tv is small |
| [19:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | varies, 2G usually, sometimes 2.2 |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | and there's also the point: if you want to master DVD later, you should record at 720x480, 704x480 or 352x480 |
| [19:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | so you don't need to reencode (assuming you are recording with an MPEG2 card) |
| [19:21:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yea |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | if you are recording with a framegrabber, you will be reencoding anyways |
| [19:21:00] | Yellow-Snow: | b/c dosent reencode own the cpu? |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | reencoding video takes a LOT of CPU work |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | so if you are gonna make a DVD of the content, avoiding reencoding is a worthy concept |
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| [19:22:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yea thats what i hear.. so not really worth it to reencode to mpeg-4 after i finish recording |
| [19:22:00] | Yellow-Snow: | got it |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | I personally would just give it more disk if you are running low on space, not transcode |
| [19:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's my motto as well |
| [19:22:00] | Yellow-Snow: | 300 gig right now so im not there yet? |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | yet :) |
| [19:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yea thats what i figured |
| [19:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | it will fill up soon enough |
| [19:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | basically i want to keep the movies |
| [19:23:00] | laga: | Beirdo: commercial cutting works as well. saves 50% here :) |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | until you are fighting to stay below 250G used |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | lol |
| [19:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | laga any way to auto that? |
| [19:24:00] | laga: | Yellow-Snow: yep. though not recommended since commercial flagging probably is not that accurate |
| [19:24:00] | Yellow-Snow: | actually when it detects its so far 100% accurate |
| [19:24:00] | Yellow-Snow: | tho sometimes it wont detect |
| [19:24:00] | laga: | well, should work then |
| [19:25:00] | laga: | i'm afraid there is no way to automate it within mythtv, but either mythcommflag or mythtranscode has a CLI option that turns the flagged commercials into a cutlist |
| [19:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I should play with the mpeg2->mpeg2 cutting stuff again |
| [19:25:00] | laga: | correct me if i'm wrong :) |
| [19:25:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yep :) works great here |
| [19:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Care to share the commandline you use for it again ? |
| [19:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or can you launch it from within myth now ? |
| [19:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'd rather setup the editlist in myth and launch it from there so it can queue up the jobs |
| [19:26:00] | Yellow-Snow: | laga is that a plugin or something? how do i go about setting this up |
| [19:27:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: you can launch it from myth now. i had to use tzhe 'autodetect' transcoding profile. actually, i have no clue how i can force it to use rtjpe,g mpeg4 or mpeg2 :/. settings the 'transcoder' in the recorded table to '0' worked for me old recordings |
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| [19:28:00] | laga: | Yellow-Snow: you'd have to find out for yourself :) |
| [19:29:00] | Yellow-Snow: | and stupid tv overscan wont save or work till i open the nvidia x server settings tool |
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| [19:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow-Snow: can't you configure your window manager to call the nvidia tool at launch ? |
| [19:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I do |
| [19:30:00] | laga: | Yellow-Snow: put an 'nvidia-settings --load-config-only' into.... |
| [19:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Plus you can configure X as well |
| [19:30:00] | laga: | he always beats me to it!!!!! |
| [19:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:30:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm wait thats the thing |
| [19:31:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i did 2 things.. copied that file into root |
| [19:31:00] | Yellow-Snow: | and added that line into.. 1 sec |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv@woop:~$ cat .icewm/startup |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -a TVOverScan=20 & |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend& |
| [19:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:32:00] | Yellow-Snow: | "nvidia-settings --load-config-only &" (without the quotes) to /etc/gdm/Xsession. |
| [19:32:00] | Yellow-Snow: | One step I found I needed was to copy my ~mythtv/.nvidia-settings-rc to /root/, then gdm would load it automatically. |
| [19:32:00] | Yellow-Snow: | Remote |
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| [19:32:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i did both of that |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I know little about configuring gdm to do anything :) |
| [19:33:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: are you using the overscan setting to make your mythtv fit the screen? |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: No, I use Myth's X/Y guisize settings for that |
| [19:33:00] | Yellow-Snow: | GreyFoxx how do i do what u are saying |
| [19:34:00] | tvee: | anyone in here got the message: NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back |
| [19:34:00] | tvee: | VIDOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument |
| [19:34:00] | tvee: | ? |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: PVR Card? |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: good, just checking if you are a good boy :) |
| [19:34:00] | Yellow-Snow: | can i add nvidia into /etc/modules? |
| [19:34:00] | lane_: | laga: so you are able to successfully do mpeg2->mpeg2 cutting from within Myth? |
| [19:34:00] | laga: | lane_: yeppers! |
| [19:34:00] | Yellow-Snow: | how? |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: You set it up front in mythtv-setup, you must have set it as a standard v4l card instead of as an mpeg2 encoder |
| [19:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | w/front/wrong |
| [19:35:00] | lane_: | cool. I saw the discussion about it on the dev list in december, but I wasn't sure what the status was |
| [19:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | err I gotta stop talking to coworkers while typing |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:35:00] | tvee: | GreyFoxx, yeah PVR-150 |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | tell the coworkers to piss off, you're busy on IRC |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:35:00] | tvee: | GreyFoxx, ah let me try that right away |
| [19:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: Then see my last message, you defined it as the wrong cardtype in mythtv-setupi |
| [19:35:00] | lane_: | laga: I'm assuming you're using svn? |
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| [19:36:00] | laga: | lane_: yeppers! again :) |
| [19:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Hehe I often do ;) |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | you are so bad :) |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | oh, cfengine, you total POS |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | it was coredumping |
| [19:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | As long as my stuff gets done on time, and accurately, fsck them :) |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | so I go back to get a coredump to debug... |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | and now it won't crash |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | fcuk |
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| [19:37:00] | Yellow-Snow: | arg will there ever be a day that i wont find something or want to do something more w/ my box? |
| [19:38:00] | PITABoy: | i'm using mythtv 0.19 and along with my show being recorded it also makes a png file is there anyway to stop the creation of the png |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | PITABoy: Why would y7ou want to ? |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | there is no 0.19. |
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| [19:38:00] | PITABoy: | the png is usless to me |
| [19:38:00] | laga: | or did i miss something when i was alseep? |
| [19:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | 0.19 wont exist officially for a few more hours |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | PITABoy: It's used for mythwebs preview pixmap, and if you configure the front6end to use a static pic rather than play the video in the preview window |
| [19:39:00] | PITABoy: | yeah i got it from gentoo-portage i guess that it is a cvs build |
| [19:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | and they are tiny in size |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | laga: there WILL be a 0.19 though :) |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | RSN |
| [19:40:00] | laga: | Beirdo: there is no spoon. |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | stupid non-crashing cfengine |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | bish |
| [19:43:00] | kramman: | when running nuvexport, is it normal for it to say "processed: 852 of 0 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps" — it seems odd that there are 0 frames and 0 fps |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | that's normal if the ffmpeg or transcode version used doesn't output as nuvexport expects |
| [19:43:00] | Yellow-Snow: | mpeg-2 ts or ds? |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | they keep changing the status lines |
| [19:44:00] | kramman: | I'm exporting to ipod |
| [19:44:00] | Yellow-Snow: | er ps |
| [19:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow-Snow: Leave it at ps |
| [19:44:00] | Yellow-Snow: | aight |
| [19:45:00] | Yellow-Snow: | volume % increase size? |
| [19:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
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| [19:45:00] | Yellow-Snow: | cant i decrease audio bitrate and not tell? |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: go get pissedski |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow-Snow: Why nickle and dime yourself? |
| [19:46:00] | ph|ber_: | anyone know if directory browsing works in the video playback? |
| [19:46:00] | Yellow-Snow: | room? |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | Audio is pretty small when compared to video |
| [19:46:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ah |
| [19:46:00] | ph|ber_: | like in Movies/dvd/HD Movies/dvd/MPEG |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | leave it at 384 and be done with it |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | phubuh: That's how I do it |
| [19:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | err ph|: That's how I do it |
| [19:47:00] | Juski: | Beirdo: I'm at home, so good moodski :) |
| [19:47:00] | ph|ber_: | but when i goto video manager.. |
| [19:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | You have to enable it in the mythvideo setup menus |
| [19:47:00] | ph|ber_: | it doesnt spool all my movies |
| [19:47:00] | ph|ber_: | ahhh. |
| [19:47:00] | ph|ber_: | wheres that at? |
| [19:47:00] | Juski: | got a bottle of wine to crack open later anyway |
| [19:47:00] | ph|ber_: | in the setup/utils |
| [19:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | something like that |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: that'll do too, but I think booze might help |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | ah wine |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [19:47:00] | laga: | Juski: only one? ;) |
| [19:48:00] | Juski: | I'll see how it goes |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | a 1.5L one? |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:48:00] | ** laga has got a t-shirt that says 'mr brewski – a beer in need is a friend indeed' ;) ** | |
| [19:48:00] | Juski: | have to go shopping tomorrow – that's no fun even without a hangover |
| [19:48:00] | laga: | your *ski stuff always reminds me of it ;) |
| [19:48:00] | Juski: | nah they're nothing but poor puns |
| [19:49:00] | laga: | i figured ;) |
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| [19:49:00] | Juski: | heh. not to worry – will totally vent my spleen on monday in my review at work |
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| [19:51:00] | Yellow-Snow: | nuvexport will cut out the comercials right? |
| [19:51:00] | Juski: | I overheard someone in another department mention us guys in development.. called us "a right bunch of miserable bastards" :) |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | Yellow-Snow: yes if you tell it to and have a cutlist |
| [19:52:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: that's not that bad :) |
| [19:52:00] | Yellow-Snow: | cvs does the cutlist or its all nuvexport |
| [19:52:00] | Juski: | that came from a woman – didn't expect her to use the 'c' word ;-) |
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| [19:53:00] | Beirdo: | at a former job, I used to bitch out the president for bringing people through the lab (where I was debugging) for impromptu demos of the crap I was debugging |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | he finally caught on once |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | heh |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | he brought in a potential customer for what I was working on |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | wanted a demo with no warning... |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | just found out today that a new product I've built 5 prototypes for this week is already in a distributor's catalogue |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | well, let's see, the processor's not installed, and we are soldering wires onto the CPU's socket |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | you think we're gonna demo right now? |
| [19:55:00] | Juski: | of course! |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | I think I said "here's your demo" and put down the soldering iron and turned the board on with the MPC8260 sitting tits-up on the desk |
| [19:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Is it listed as a "non production" item ?:) heh |
| [19:55:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm it missed some of the front of my show.... my clock for the pc is not off.. what could it be? |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | "Oh look, it doesn't work right now, sorry" |
| [19:56:00] | Juski: | non-production, non-working, non-launched |
| [19:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow-Snow: Either your station started early or your click is off, even by a little bit |
| [19:56:00] | Juski: | Yellow-Snow: broadcasters ain't known for their timekeeping |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | the president got pissed off at me. |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:56:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yea thast what im thinking.. not all me |
| [19:57:00] | Juski: | there's nothing like a recalcitrant engineer ;-) |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | so I told him (in private) "This is exactly why you need to clear all demos with us first" |
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| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | you can't just walk in and expect a running demo in a development lab |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | "but they flew up from California"... |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then obviously he knew they were coming and could have warned you |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | "well, sorry, the board's totally fucked. it will take a week to fix it, what kind of demo do you want?" |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | he was a bit clue-resistant at times |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | typical |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | he knew they were coming for like 3 weeks |
| [19:58:00] | Juski: | most managers are like that in this industry |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | after that, he always gave us at least 1 week notice |
| [19:58:00] | mlehrer: | argh how can i get my .nuv recordings to be smaller? i tried checking the transcode after record option and set the bit rates way down |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | and for that 1 week, all development stopped, we went into "get it ready for demo" mode |
| [19:59:00] | mlehrer: | but i'm still getting 600KB/sec |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | demos ain't free :) |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | mlehrer: buy more disk? |
| [19:59:00] | Juski: | we've got a big show coming up in may, and although we 'never launch new products there' anymore there'll be some prototypes to cobble together |
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| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | fun stuff |
| [19:59:00] | mlehrer: | Beirdo: how will that shrink the file? the limitation is bandwidth between frontend and backend |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [20:00:00] | mlehrer: | 512kbits |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | good luck with that then |
| [20:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | You playing accross a netlink or something ? |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | you won't get any decent video out of that bandwidth without a LOT of work |
| [20:00:00] | Juski: | mlherer: try streaming it with VLC... that'll be fun & kinda crappy |
| [20:01:00] | Juski: | realtime encoded mpeg1 or mpeg2.. yummy. even on 128kbit uplink it'll look like arty lego I expect |
| [20:01:00] | mlehrer: | if vlc could pause, rewind, ff, i would do it |
| [20:01:00] | mlehrer: | well i set it to transcode to mpeg4 |
| [20:01:00] | mlehrer: | tried to |
| [20:01:00] | mlehrer: | but it isn't doing it obviously |
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| [20:02:00] | Juski: | mlehrer: where I work we've started doing a realtime mpeg4 encode for mobile links. it's very very sucky and we're using a hardware encoder |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | and I bet at a lower res than most of our recordings |
| [20:02:00] | Juski: | 2CIF |
| [20:03:00] | Juski: | sorry half CIF |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:03:00] | Juski: | even on 100mbit network it blows |
| [20:03:00] | mlehrer: | i have very powerful hardware on either end (> 3ghz). at this point i don't care if it is 32x20 at 5 frames a second |
| [20:04:00] | mlehrer: | i just need some sort of starting point, but transcode during record doesn't seem to work at all |
| [20:04:00] | Juski: | what codecs are the winamp TV guys using? they're not bad |
| [20:04:00] | Juski: | some of them are 'only' 256k uplinks too |
| [20:04:00] | mlehrer: | mpeg4 is fine for now but the transcode checkbox fails to do anything apparently |
| [20:05:00] | mlehrer: | what is the process for using that feature? |
| [20:05:00] | Juski: | maybe the myth protocol isn't the best way to stream video over large distances ;-) |
| [20:05:00] | tvee: | is there a "mythfilldatabase" that removes all channels as wel? |
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| [20:06:00] | tvee: | is there away to get the mouse pointer working in mythtv gui? |
| [20:06:00] | Juski: | no problem to get the mouse pointer to show |
| [20:06:00] | Juski: | just uncheck the 'hide mouse pointer' tick box |
| [20:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: You can make it visible, but you can't use it to click on the widgets/icons |
| [20:07:00] | bmk789: | yes you can |
| [20:07:00] | bmk789: | i have over vnc |
| [20:07:00] | Juski: | bmk789: not in the main menus |
| [20:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | bmk789: Only the dropdown boxes and edit boxes, not any of the menu options |
| [20:08:00] | Juski: | setup pages & the likes, yes.. not in the main app |
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| [20:09:00] | Juski: | it's merlot time :) |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | merlot? |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | not bad |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'd be more in the mood for some gewurtztraminer |
| [20:09:00] | ** laga boozes beirdo ** | |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | still got 2h of work left :( |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | but thanks :) |
| [20:10:00] | ** Beirdo chugs ** | |
| [20:10:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [20:10:00] | laga: | i'm gonna go to bed in 2 hours ;) |
| [20:10:00] | tvee: | GreyFoxx, cause i couldn't reach the button "scan channels" so i was wondering how to get there, since my card only found 3 channels atm |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | this damned cfengine will kill me yet |
| [20:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: Tab works |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | you can tell who never tried using Windows without a mouse for a minute :) |
| [20:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:11:00] | tvee: | GreyFoxx, yeah okee, but then it skips the button "scan channels" :-( |
| [20:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use the keyboard more than the mouse in windows :) |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | the mouse is highly overrated IMHO |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | tvee: I don't think 0.18 supports scanning for channels with a PVR card |
| [20:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | You generally get the channel info from whereever mythfilldb gets the listings |
| [20:13:00] | tvee: | GreyFoxx, using mythfilldb however get's me a lot of conflict error's |
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| [20:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | You will have to look at solving those errors most likely |
| [20:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | Someone REALLY needs to write up some Netherland specific info on the wiki. There is often people in here who have to manually enter their channels and having mythfilldb problems |
| [20:16:00] | laga: | i could offer some mythfilldatabase guidance in german. |
| [20:17:00] | Yellow-Snow: | score i figured out my overscan problem |
| [20:18:00] | ** jams wonders why pcie serial port cards are so expensive ** | |
| [20:18:00] | Yellow-Snow: | grated i had everything right.. but my XF86Config-4 actually had overscan = .08 which would be it everytime |
| [20:18:00] | Yellow-Snow: | just had to comment it out |
| [20:19:00] | Yellow-Snow: | whats this blue bar around the recordings |
| [20:19:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ? |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | the drive is making the XV window slightly larger than it should |
| [20:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | you can change that colour with the xvattr util |
| [20:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | most just set it to black |
| [20:20:00] | Juski: | but that leaves gaps, meaning you've got to up the overscan or change a UI setting |
| [20:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm wait |
| [20:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | overscan means im missing part of mythtv desktop |
| [20:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or just turn up overscan so you don't see it anyway ;) |
| [20:20:00] | Yellow-Snow: | then removes blue bar |
| [20:21:00] | Juski: | Yellow-Snow: TV's aren't designed to show desktops |
| [20:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yellow-Snow: Your not suppose to see it all on a TV, there is normally video off the edge of the screen |
| [20:21:00] | awb4422: | if i have an hd3000 and a pvr-350 in the same system, is it possible to set the hd3000 to record certain things (ie 24, grey's anatomy) that the 350 can also see in the channel listing? |
| [20:21:00] | Yellow-Snow: | er i mean mythtv screen.. wel i cant see if the box is checked or not while editing settings |
| [20:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can turn up overscan so that the video goes past the edge of the screen, but configure myht to shrink the menu |
| [20:21:00] | ** Juski refrains from his overscan lecture ** | |
| [20:21:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ah ok |
| [20:21:00] | Yellow-Snow: | that works grey |
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| [20:22:00] | Juski: | shrink the X & Y dimensions to 95% of what your desktop resolution is |
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| [20:23:00] | Juski: | not many TVs overscan by much more than 5% these days |
| [20:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Too bad there isn't a interactive menu for the resizing. it';s a little painful to chaneg a setting, go out and see if it fits, go in and change again, etc etc |
| [20:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | maybe I'll look into that after 0.19 |
| [20:23:00] | Yellow-Snow: | yup |
| [20:23:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: I've mentioned that a few times |
| [20:23:00] | Juski: | feel like doing it myself but hate to think how bad the code would look |
| [20:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | You should go for it, if it |
| [20:24:00] | Juski: | all it needs are 2 triangles drawn over the top of that screen, at the extremeties.. based on the current value in the fields |
| [20:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [20:25:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm if overscan = .8 and default is what? anyone know? |
| [20:25:00] | Juski: | default is zero |
| [20:25:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hm i dont think so .. it was like 16 or 18 for me |
| [20:25:00] | Juski: | if you don't specify it |
| [20:26:00] | Juski: | use somebody else's xorg.conf & it could be anything |
| [20:26:00] | Yellow-Snow: | im wondering the math |
| [20:26:00] | Yellow-Snow: | if .8 is to big and i use 16 in the nvidia settings |
| [20:26:00] | Yellow-Snow: | what do i use |
| [20:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Welcome to the world of doing your own trial and error work |
| [20:26:00] | Juski: | put nvidia-settings --load-config-only in your .xinitrc file |
| [20:27:00] | Juski: | it'll then just use the saved values from nvidia-settings |
| [20:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | My X is configured to use 0.979 but I override that in my window manager with a value of 20 |
| [20:27:00] | Yellow-Snow: | i did that to Xessions.. i guesss i gata remove the one from root b/c thats not updated |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Too bad that the nvidia driver seems to "forget" about setting the overscan value if you use xrandr to change the resolution |
| [20:28:00] | Juski: | lucky me, my x driver has a 720x576 mode without scaling in the TV encoder.. so all I need do is shrink the GUI 5% |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | and last night I discovered I no longer need to deinterlace because the video driver is outputting proper interlaced video – result! |
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| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | interlaced is good when driving a TV |
| [20:29:00] | Yellow-Snow: | how can i tell my desktop resolution? |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | xdpyinfo |
| [20:30:00] | bmk789: | anyone gotten a good pcie tuner working? |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | pcie tuner?! |
| [20:30:00] | laga: | Juski: w00t!! that rocks :) |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | they exist yet? |
| [20:30:00] | bmk789: | ya |
| [20:30:00] | bmk789: | idk about linux compatibilty though |
| [20:30:00] | bmk789: | http://www.powercolor.com/product_theater550pro_pcie.html |
| [20:31:00] | Juski: | ati theater.. no linux support |
| [20:31:00] | Juski: | laga: I know! |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | good luck with that one |
| [20:31:00] | laga: | Juski: i haven't had much luck with that, neither with my nvidia tv-out nor with my sis chipset. actually, i had the nvidia card outputting interlaced video, but mythtv didn't play nicely with it |
| [20:31:00] | tvee: | euhm, how can switch channels with livetv ? |
| [20:31:00] | Juski: | tvee: it's covered in the FM |
| [20:32:00] | Juski: | laga: it's all down to the developers for the driver having access to all the data they need to get deep & dirty with registers :) |
| [20:32:00] | Juski: | ... and then actually being assed to implement it |
| [20:33:00] | laga: | Juski: i played some interlaced test videos and it worked but i still had interlacing artefacts with mythtv. i laos saw this somewhere on the mailinmg list. Xv is too blame, it supposedly works fine with mplayer -vo opengl |
| [20:34:00] | Juski: | weird |
| [20:34:00] | Juski: | maybe xvmc would help there I dunno |
| [20:34:00] | laga: | Juski: xvmc didn't help for me |
| [20:35:00] | laga: | Juski: it's probably a issue with Xv + nvidia only, dunno :) |
| [20:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Really? Hmmm, start writing an opengl output class! |
| [20:35:00] | Juski: | I've read that interlaced support drops in & out of nvidia drivers |
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| [20:35:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: that'd take me bloody ages because i had to learn c++ first :) |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | anyhew .. time for some mythtv & other erm.. things |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | Juski: yep. they tend to break their drivers.. :/ |
| [20:36:00] | laga: | Juski: have fun |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | will do... |
| [20:36:00] | Juski: | and you too;) |
| [20:37:00] | laga: | hehe, i will ;) |
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| [20:40:00] | awb4422: | if i have an hd3000 and a pvr-350 in the same system, is it possible to set the hd3000 to record certain things (ie 24, grey's anatomy) that the 350 has access to record? |
| [20:40:00] | awb4422: | and only use the 350 to record cable channels |
| [20:41:00] | awb4422: | or just set the hd3000 to record ABC whenever i select a show from there? |
| [20:41:00] | mlehrer: | if you define a channel as atsc then it should choose the appropriate tuner for you |
| [20:41:00] | awb4422: | oh ok |
| [20:41:00] | mlehrer: | the latter. i haven't done this, but that seems like the way it would work |
| [20:41:00] | awb4422: | so when i want to record a show on hd, i will have to select the atsc listing, not the std listing |
| [20:44:00] | mlehrer: | just delete the std channel from the database |
| [20:44:00] | mlehrer: | i think |
| [20:44:00] | awb4422: | oh ok |
| [20:44:00] | awb4422: | makes sense |
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| [20:45:00] | mlehrer: | what kind of hardware do you have |
| [20:45:00] | mlehrer: | does 1080i content look ok? |
| [20:46:00] | awb4422: | i havent started this yet |
| [20:46:00] | awb4422: | hd3000 is on the way |
| [20:46:00] | mlehrer: | ah ok, what are you planning to use cpu-wise for the front ed |
| [20:46:00] | mlehrer: | end |
| [20:46:00] | awb4422: | amd64 athlon 3500+ |
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| [20:47:00] | mlehrer: | cool. i had good luck with a 3700+ but bad luck with a prescott p4 |
| [20:48:00] | awb4422: | oh ok |
| [20:48:00] | mlehrer: | fwiw ymmv etc |
| [20:48:00] | mlehrer: | heh |
| [20:50:00] | awb4422: | greeeat |
| [20:50:00] | awb4422: | im using dvi – the 350 stuff will be ok on that right |
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| [20:54:00] | bjohnson: | can someone point me to a basic explanation of how sat video cards work (ie stream comes in /dev/demux0 and you choose the frequency from that, etc). google is giving me too much info to sort through |
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| [21:12:00] | laga: | Juski: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/mythburn/mythburn2/&nbs p;– note the '2' :) |
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| [21:18:00] | rtsai: | xris: posted to -users mailing list |
| [21:19:00] | rtsai: | http://jmeyer.us |
| [21:19:00] | rtsai: | although it's possible they might need to be updated, if they were working from some .18 branch |
| [21:20:00] | bjohnson: | any info on what each of the device names represent? ie you can cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > /tmp/recording.ts . Can you capture anything of interest from the other devices? |
| [21:20:00] | black_Nightmare: | is there still poor support for ati all-in-wonder cards yet? |
| [21:22:00] | eskil: | Is anyone here using mythmusic from svn and want to try and confirm a bug for me ? |
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| [21:25:00] | Juski: | laga: ooo... is that a good 2 ? |
| [21:27:00] | Juski: | wait a sec here... it's python now :) |
| [21:27:00] | laga: | Juski: hehe :) |
| [21:27:00] | laga: | Juski: join #knoppmyth :) |
| [21:27:00] | Juski: | intros are better now too |
| [21:29:00] | laga: | cool :) |
| [21:29:00] | laga: | i haven't look much at it yet, have to put the laptop back together |
| [21:30:00] | Juski: | I'll have a look at it later, maybe tomorrow |
| [21:30:00] | laga: | s/look/looked/ |
| [21:30:00] | laga: | sounds like a good plan ;) |
| [21:30:00] | Juski: | if it still depends in mjpegtools I'm still screwed though |
| [21:31:00] | Juski: | right.. more wine & mythtv |
| [21:31:00] | laga: | hf ;) |
| [21:35:00] | xris: | rtsai: yeah. midnight was never finished to begin with (it's my favorite theme) |
| [21:35:00] | xris: | would be awesome to get them included with the other themes |
| [21:36:00] | laga: | yep :) |
| [21:43:00] | Yellow-Snow: | hey once u tar something.. and make makeinstal out of that folder.. can u delete it? |
| [21:45:00] | jams: | most of the time it's ok |
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| [21:48:00] | xris: | Yellow-Snow: sometimes it's nice to keep it around for "make uninstall"... though not every program builds an uninstaller |
| [21:49:00] | Yellow-Snow: | ah |
| [21:51:00] | awilkins: | Here's a good problem |
| [21:52:00] | awilkins: | If I disconnect my keyboard and reboot my system, half the buttons on my remote stop working. |
| [21:52:00] | jams: | xris and laga, they should be in mythtv.org svn sometime soon |
| [21:53:00] | xris: | jams: cool. well, cool as long as midnight gets fixed. |
| [21:53:00] | awilkins: | I'd presume it's because the remote emulates keypresses |
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| [21:57:00] | benklop: | hey |
| [21:57:00] | benklop: | i have a pvr-500 and am having a problem with TV playback; audio isnt working |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | i do get an audio error |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | Opening audio device 'dmixer'. |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | 2006-02–10 14:09:01.511 Rate doesn't match (requested 48000Hz, got 44100Hz) |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | 2006-02–10 14:09:01.512 Unable to set ALSA parameters |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | but i have no idea how to fix that |
| [21:58:00] | benklop: | any ideas? |
| [21:59:00] | laga: | you sure that you are using the right audio device? |
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| [22:01:00] | benklop: | yes, its a dmix device i made |
| [22:01:00] | benklop: | but the problem is the sampling rate |
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| [22:01:00] | benklop: | it is asking for 48000 and gets 44100 and doesnt know how to handle that |
| [22:02:00] | squish102: | i know this is not #linuxhelp or #gentoo but with gentoo i tried an emerge mythtv and got an error to re-emerge Qt.. how do I do that? |
| [22:02:00] | bjohnson: | what does the demux0 device really do? |
| [22:02:00] | awilkins: | seperates the various streams from the big multiplex |
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| [22:03:00] | awilkins: | DE-MUltipleX |
| [22:04:00] | rtsai: | benklop: I think you have to set up your Recording Profile to match the audio rate. |
| [22:04:00] | dtm: | 3 |
| [22:04:00] | dtm: | ww |
| [22:04:00] | benklop: | squish102: you "emerge qt" |
| [22:04:00] | bjohnson: | so, since you can cat the video0 or the dvr0 .. the demux is really tuning to the channel you want before it gets to those devices? |
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| [22:04:00] | squish102: | thanks benklop |
| [22:05:00] | awilkins: | bjohnson: DVB arrives with several "watchable" channels on a single radio frequency |
| [22:05:00] | bjohnson: | right .. that's called a TP right? |
| [22:05:00] | bjohnson: | transpoder? |
| [22:06:00] | awilkins: | bjohnson: The demux pulls a particular set of streams from the big TP (transmission protocol) stream. |
| [22:06:00] | ** kramman is patiently waiting for nuvexport since it shows no progress status ** | |
| [22:07:00] | bjohnson: | so the zap programs are controlling that to specify ONE stream correct? |
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| [22:07:00] | awilkins: | Yeah, tzap -r says "Tune to the multiplex this channel is in and present it on dvr0 for recording" |
| [22:08:00] | awilkins: | Of course, the PS program stream consists of usually a video stream and one or more audio streams and closed-caption streams. |
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| [22:12:00] | bjohnson: | so in addition to going to dvr0, it is also going to video0, audio0, etc? |
| [22:12:00] | bjohnson: | cause you can cat the video0 device to a mpg file from what I;ve read |
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| [22:13:00] | awilkins: | I never tried it |
| [22:13:00] | awilkins: | I just cat dvr0 to a file ; mplayer handles PS just fine |
| [22:13:00] | awilkins: | And I only do it for testing |
| [22:14:00] | bjohnson: | that was my next question |
| [22:14:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hey does the pvr-150 remote blow? or i just want 0 delay |
| [22:14:00] | bjohnson: | awilkins: thnx for the info |
| [22:14:00] | awilkins: | bjohnson: You're welcome |
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| [22:15:00] | awilkins: | bjohnson: You can play straight from the card with a dvb:// link with mplayer |
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| [22:18:00] | bjohnson: | I'm actually playing with the card in another machine on the lan .. no mplayer or screen or keyboard on the other box. Just seeing if I can tune and record something |
| [22:19:00] | Athanael: | what driver should i use for ati radeon 9000 |
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| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | ATI's drivers |
| [22:19:00] | bjohnson: | hi Beirdo |
| [22:19:00] | Beirdo: | heya |
| [22:20:00] | Athanael: | is it ati, radeon or fglx or something like that |
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| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | fgrlx I think |
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| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [22:20:00] | Athanael: | ok thanks. those are the fastest? |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | heh, the most likely to wokr |
| [22:20:00] | Beirdo: | work even |
| [22:20:00] | Athanael: | ati and radeon work but no hdtv |
| [22:21:00] | Athanael: | does deinterlace work over firewire? |
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| [22:30:00] | ole_schoola: | anyone interested in monitoring their power consumption might want to check out http://www.seasonicusa.com/products.php?lineId=8 |
| [22:30:00] | ole_schoola: | just ordered one to figure what size power supplies to order |
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| [22:49:00] | Juski: | all the talk of including more themes in the theme package.. it's gonna end up 30 times bigger than all the source put together :) |
| [22:50:00] | laga: | doesn't matter. i want eye candy. |
| [22:50:00] | Caveman: | is mythweb gettting skins too? |
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| [22:51:00] | Juski: | Caveman: if peeps can be bothered, yeah |
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| [22:52:00] | Raven301: | What is the best linux distro to get a PVR150 to work?? |
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| [22:52:00] | Juski: | I like mythweb as it is though, so I'm in no rush to theme it |
| [22:52:00] | scottder: | FC4 workedwell for me |
| [22:52:00] | Juski: | ubuntu & gentoo worked for me |
| [22:52:00] | quacker: | query anna-dead |
| [22:52:00] | Raven301: | thanks scottder & Juski |
| [22:53:00] | Juski: | compiling from source is a doddle |
| [22:53:00] | scottder: | I choose FC because Jarods doc looked pretty thorough |
| [22:53:00] | Juski: | so long as you have all the dependencies |
| [22:53:00] | xris: | Juski: yeah. REALLY need to get another repo besides atrpms hosting the files |
| [22:53:00] | Raven301: | ok thanks :) |
| [22:54:00] | scottder: | I've toyed with trying SVN, but heck I have 0.18.1 running fine right now |
| [22:54:00] | Juski: | hmmm mythburn2 install... after a bottle of wine & a few JDs... good idea or no? ;-) |
| [22:54:00] | xris: | scottder: .19 comes out tonight or so |
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| [22:54:00] | xris: | I think as soon as I finish fixing some lingering mythweb bugs... |
| [22:54:00] | ** xris loves being the one holding up the show. ** | |
| [22:55:00] | Juski: | make em squirm & beg, xris ;-) |
| [22:55:00] | ** scottder will wait for the RPMS ** | |
| [22:55:00] | scottder: | I am lazy |
| [22:55:00] | scottder: | :) |
| [22:55:00] | laga: | tonight? yay! |
| [22:55:00] | xris: | Juski: I'd like to see it released... |
| [22:55:00] | scottder: | but good to hear it's coming out |
| [22:55:00] | xris: | laga: as I understand it, there was a semi-official announcement on the users list today |
| [22:55:00] | scottder: | anything new and exciting in Mythweb? |
| [22:56:00] | laga: | users? wooho |
| [22:56:00] | xris: | scottder: not too much on the front end of mythweb. |
| [22:56:00] | xris: | huge behind the scenes changes, though. |
| [22:56:00] | xris: | I did finally get custom/search recording support put in. |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | wickedness :-) |
| [22:57:00] | Juski: | I might not be able to wait for gentoo ebuilds or minimyth |
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| [22:57:00] | Juski: | the urge to have dvb radio working is strong in this one |
| [22:59:00] | laga: | heh :) |
| [22:59:00] | laga: | looks like i can have mythtv 0.19 for breakfast then. |
| [23:00:00] | Juski: | mythburn2 can wait I think |
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| [23:07:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: i have a mythweb feature request, OK to bring it up here? |
| [23:10:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [23:12:00] | Juski: | wow. zap2it are cutting the listings back for a while so they can address loading issues n stuff. they must be swamped |
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| [23:13:00] | psymin: | I wonder if there is a capture card that has hardware theora encoding =] |
| [23:13:00] | ** Juski wonders how much traffic mythtv users create for the radiotimes website ** | |
| [23:13:00] | Juski: | psymin: I doubt it |
| [23:13:00] | ** psymin sighs. ** | |
| [23:13:00] | dtm: | Juski: we should all reset our schedule updates to maybe once a week |
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| [23:14:00] | Juski: | psymin: you can get software-configurable media codecs now – chips you program to encode/decode as you like |
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| [23:14:00] | dtm: | Juski: if i was them, i'd instate a per-user policy on that |
| [23:15:00] | Juski: | Texas Instruments do a great range media DSPs now – be nice to see one of them on a PCI card ;-) |
| [23:15:00] | Juski: | dtm: noted |
| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | dtm, 0.19 will help a lot |
| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | dtm, then send a field that asks you to next update at blah, 0.19 follows that field's advice |
| [23:15:00] | psymin: | Juski: Oo |
| [23:16:00] | Juski: | bugger... my backend is doing mythfilldatabase all by itself |
| [23:16:00] | Juski: | bah radiotimes can take it |
| [23:17:00] | Juski: | oopsch... seems I mislocated my cron |
| [23:18:00] | Juski: | if !$pissed allow root login |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hey how do i record things with LSU in it? |
| [23:18:00] | Juski: | LSU? |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | yea say a sports team |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | like i did search right |
| [23:18:00] | Juski: | make a custom record rule |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | found some stuff.. but the name changes everytime |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | hm |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | aight |
| [23:18:00] | Yellow-Snow2: | let me try that |
| [23:18:00] | Juski: | in 0.19, are program names still case sensitive? |
| [23:19:00] | Juski: | can't remember if they are or not.. noticed two recording groups with very similar names... only one lower case char differentiated them |
| [23:20:00] | dtm: | i'd set my zap2it update to 7 days but i can't find where it is now! |
| [23:21:00] | Juski: | /etc/cron is a good place to start looking isn't it? (or something) |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | it's just better to let the backend run it imho, and let it listen to zap2it folks on when to run next |
| [23:21:00] | dtm: | what would run it other than the backend/ |
| [23:21:00] | dtm: | ? |
| [23:22:00] | Juski: | cron |
| [23:22:00] | dtm: | i have no cron job for it |
| [23:22:00] | Juski: | so the backend must be doing it already |
| [23:22:00] | dtm: | oh you're referring to the mythbackend process itself. yeah. |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | dtm, yeah, there's lots of people who set a cron job to updater rather then let the backend do it |
| [23:22:00] | dtm: | why? |
| [23:23:00] | dtm: | kormoc: why would they do that |
| [23:23:00] | Juski: | erm... if they don't want it ran every night perhaps |
| [23:23:00] | dtm: | Juski: so then they'd configure the backend to not run it every night |
| [23:23:00] | Juski: | or if they want to run it with their own options |
| [23:24:00] | dtm: | oic. |
| [23:24:00] | dtm: | so the mythfrontend configuration section needs to be more robust i guess. |
| [23:24:00] | Juski: | oh _how_ romantic is this article in a free paper I got today... |
| [23:24:00] | dtm: | coz it's rather imperative to not be an excessive burden on zap2it :) |
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| [23:25:00] | Juski: | "bind, gag and tantalise your lover with this incredible bondage tape...".... go scary kidnapper type dude |
| [23:25:00] | Juski: | ppffft |
| [23:25:00] | dtm: | :-o |
| [23:25:00] | Juski: | is it just me or have I led a sheltered life to be shocked by that? |
| [23:26:00] | kormoc: | Juski, or you're just normal |
| [23:26:00] | Juski: | heh |
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| [23:28:00] | xris: | ole_schoola: yes, though I wouldn't see it at the moment.. too busy |
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| [23:32:00] | buu: | Juski: That's pretty damn sheltered |
| [23:33:00] | Juski: | buu: thanks for letting me know. maybe another visit to alt.binaries is in order |
| [23:33:00] | buu: | Yes! |
| [23:33:00] | dtm: | :/ |
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| [23:33:00] | buu: | I mean, bondage isn't all that out there.. |
| [23:33:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: not a problem at all, wouldn't expect you to with the release on your shoulders :P |
| [23:34:00] | Juski: | I know that but in a national newspaper.. that even goes beyond what most tabloids would call 'kinky' |
| [23:34:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: i'll even kick you a bounty, how's that? |
| [23:35:00] | Juski: | ole_schoola: and put back the release of 0.19? ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| [23:35:00] | ole_schoola: | Juski, read back a few.... |
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| [23:36:00] | Juski: | just kidding.. jees |
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| [23:36:00] | ole_schoola: | juski, couldn't tell, np |
| [23:36:00] | Juski: | okees :) |
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| [23:36:00] | Juski: | channel has gone a bit blurry |
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| [23:37:00] | xris: | ole_schoola: heh, I haven't even started thinking about that yet.. just trying to get through the work day |
| [23:37:00] | xris: | hmm, bounty... |
| [23:37:00] | ole_schoola: | yep |
| [23:37:00] | Juski: | hope you like chocolate & coconut ;) |
| [23:37:00] | ole_schoola: | i use mythweb ALOT, you deserve it |
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| [23:37:00] | ole_schoola: | xris: i'll email you this weekend |
| [23:38:00] | Juski: | ole_schoola: you made me feel guilty now |
| [23:40:00] | Juski: | raises an important point actually: i.e. who pays for all the bandwidth mythtv uses? |
| [23:41:00] | dtm: | Juski: uses where? whose bandwidth? |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | hosting etc |
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| [23:41:00] | ole_schoola: | what was that myth subscription service called? is hould revisit that, considering the Zap2it listings cutback |
| [23:42:00] | Juski: | ole_schoola: was LXM.. now defunct |
| [23:42:00] | kormoc: | Juski, melbourneit.com it would appear |
| [23:42:00] | ole_schoola: | ah |
| [23:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Cutback? |
| [23:42:00] | dtm: | Juski: hosting what? at mythtv.org? |
| [23:42:00] | ole_schoola: | 3 days, temporarily |
| [23:42:00] | ole_schoola: | instead of 14 |
| [23:42:00] | Juski: | yeah.. and the rest |
| [23:42:00] | NightMonkey: | Whoah. Techical problem, or ...? |
| [23:43:00] | Juski: | NightMonkey: serious loading issues |
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| [23:43:00] | ole_schoola: | easing their load for a while |
| [23:43:00] | ubahivn: | hi everybody |
| [23:43:00] | NightMonkey: | Ah. I hope everyone has followed their guidelines for downloads :). |
| [23:44:00] | ole_schoola: | 0.19 will have a load balancing mechanism tied to Zap2it built-in |
| [23:44:00] | ubahivn: | anybody have anyluck trancoding in slack? |
| [23:44:00] | NightMonkey: | That's cool, ole_schoola. |
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| [23:44:00] | ole_schoola: | Zap tells myth a recommended time to pull next update, i believe |
| [23:44:00] | jerky_2: | that's a great idea |
| [23:45:00] | ole_schoola: | just in time it looks like |
| [23:45:00] | jerky_2: | my myth box is telling me that my zap subscription expires in 3 months |
| [23:45:00] | NightMonkey: | I just hope that it doesn't end up telling my box the next available slot is in March, 2008. |
| [23:45:00] | jerky_2: | is there a way to get channel info for free after that? |
| [23:45:00] | Juski: | the loading issues have been going on a few weeks by the look of things |
| [23:45:00] | kormoc: | jerky_2, renew your subscription |
| [23:46:00] | Juski: | jerky_2: just fill in a survey thing again & renew AFAIK |
| [23:46:00] | ole_schoola: | jerky: their just scaling back the days window from 14 to 3, temporarily |
| [23:46:00] | jerky_2: | ah ok |
| [23:46:00] | jerky_2: | that's probably a good idea, sometimes 14 days of info is out of date anyway |
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| [23:46:00] | jerky_2: | but it's impressive coming from a dish network box that only stored 2 days of info, and their HD DVR box only stores 9 days of info |
| [23:47:00] | ubahivn: | has anybody had any luck transcoding from the nupple format at all? |
| [23:47:00] | NightMonkey: | Do many other clients besides Myth users use their services? |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | 14 days is good for catching stuff that's trailed early |
| [23:47:00] | jerky_2: | have they considered using a bittorrent style distribution system for channel info? |
| [23:47:00] | ole_schoola: | ubahivn, what card/tuner you using? |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: if you have a pvr or DVB card it's not in nuppelvideo format ;-) |
| [23:47:00] | Chutt: | why would bittorrent style distributino help for channel info? |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | loads of people's channel lineups would be different |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | it'd help more if people had less channels.. but that's hardly realistic |
| [23:48:00] | Chutt: | try 'everyone's |
| [23:49:00] | Chutt: | since most people customize what channels get downloaded. |
| [23:49:00] | ole_schoola: | jerky: bittorrent is good for very large chunks of static content, not rapidly changing small pieces of data |
| [23:49:00] | jerky_2: | i'd be more than willing to contribute my upstream to ease load on the master servers |
| [23:49:00] | jerky_2: | yeah... it wouldn't be "rapid", but it would certainly suffice for over night transfers |
| [23:49:00] | jerky_2: | i already load a BT client to run overnight and while i'm out of the house at work |
| [23:50:00] | jerky_2: | i upload many gigs of stuff on a weekly basis, usually just linux images |
| [23:50:00] | ubahivn: | ole school I use HDTV3000 |
| [23:50:00] | Chutt: | jerky_2, the point is that everyone is downloading small subsets of data |
| [23:50:00] | ubahivn: | v4lin compatable |
| [23:50:00] | Chutt: | which is different for everyone |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: so youre recordings are actually mpeg2 |
| [23:50:00] | Juski: | *your |
| [23:50:00] | Chutt: | bittorrent and other p2p crap doesn't fit that model. |
| [23:50:00] | ole_schoola: | jerky: the data is changing all throughout the day as the providers aggregate the data to YTribune |
| [23:50:00] | jerky_2: | so i wouldn't have a problem sending out a few megs of channel data |
| [23:50:00] | jerky_2: | sure it does, i could serve chan info to everyone in my area |
| [23:50:00] | ubahivn: | not sure about that nothing but mythtv can read them |
| [23:51:00] | ole_schoola: | ubahivn, what card/tuner you using? |
| [23:51:00] | Chutt: | everyone who's chosen to receive the same channels as you |
| [23:51:00] | ubahivn: | the nupple format .nuv files do not play well with others |
| [23:51:00] | jerky_2: | and, i would have no problem downloading channel info in other areas and serving that |
| [23:51:00] | jerky_2: | it just makes a lot of sense to ease load on your servers, if you have trusted clients like me willing to upload information |
| [23:51:00] | Chutt: | you're a 'trusted client' |
| [23:51:00] | ole_schoola: | ubahivn: if you answer the question, we can tell you quality info ;) |
| [23:51:00] | Chutt: | ? |
| [23:51:00] | Chutt: | since when |
| [23:51:00] | ubahivn: | ole_schoola PCHD3000 |
| [23:51:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: native recordings (as in untranscoded ones) will be in mpeg2 format with a .nuv extension |
| [23:52:00] | ubahivn: | you missed my earlier answer |
| [23:52:00] | ole_schoola: | it's already mpeg-2, ready to rock, you must be on 18.1 i imagine? |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | remux & it's ready for dvd ;-) |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | oops.. it's HD, so it's not |
| [23:52:00] | ubahivn: | well my problem is I cant seem to get anything to burn it to dvd |
| [23:52:00] | ole_schoola: | in .19, the filename is appended with .mpg instead of .nuv to help with the confusion |
| [23:53:00] | jerky_2: | ok, i am not "trusted" in any computer sense of the word |
| [23:53:00] | dtm: | there should be a possibility for using p2p for redistributing zap2it's data |
| [23:53:00] | jerky_2: | i am just a person who pays extra money for relatively large amounts of upstream and right now i choose to use that upstream to distribute linux isos |
| [23:53:00] | ubahivn: | besides avidemux2 but that is unstable on my sys |
| [23:53:00] | dtm: | we could make one account for each data set, and update it daily. |
| [23:53:00] | jerky_2: | and i am willing to help if there is truly a crunch on the master servers |
| [23:53:00] | dtm: | or possibly even nyud.net |
| [23:53:00] | Juski: | maybe if people offerred to mirror zap2it themselves.. that might help them more |
| [23:54:00] | Juski: | if they even need it |
| [23:54:00] | Chutt: | of course, that requires them licensing you the redistribution rights. |
| [23:54:00] | dtm: | and snag it via http |
| [23:54:00] | jerky_2: | if the developers of mythTV want to take advantage of that, then great... if not, oh well |
| [23:54:00] | Chutt: | which they won't. |
| [23:54:00] | Chutt: | jerky_2, you're not talking about the developers of mythtv. |
| [23:54:00] | ubahivn: | so you are saying if I grab the sorce for 19 I will have no problem converting to DVD format? |
| [23:54:00] | Juski: | talking about data that in real terms, is being paid for by someone other than zap2it but provided by zap2it |
| [23:54:00] | jerky_2: | yes, i'm talking about the developers of myth making that an option / integrated functionality to myth, in cooperation with whomever runs the master servers |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | jerky_2, err, no. |
| [23:55:00] | jerky_2: | then many myth users can easily check a box, and go to bed, and help reduce server load |
| [23:55:00] | ole_schoola: | remember, zap2it labs is just a marketing research arm of Tribune Media Svcs |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | since it's zap2it's data. |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | they own stuff |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: it'll need rescaled to go down to DVD frame sizes |
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| [23:55:00] | ubahivn: | I can rescale fine |
| [23:55:00] | Chutt: | one of the clauses in the signup agreement is that you won't redistribute the data. |
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| [23:55:00] | chuckyp: | WHy would my pvr150 be using rtjpeg instead of mpeg encoding? |
| [23:55:00] | ubahivn: | but I do not think it is standard mpeg2 becouse nothing recognises it |
| [23:55:00] | ubahivn: | not even mplayer |
| [23:55:00] | jerky_2: | ok. then they can distribute their own data as they see fit. |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | chuckyp: it won't be |
| [23:56:00] | ubahivn: | till I installed the nupple plugin |
| [23:56:00] | chuckyp: | Juski, mythbakend.log says it switches to rtjpeg |
| [23:56:00] | jerky_2: | and we in the myth TV should do all we can to keep this aspect of myth as functional as possible because it greatly affects the usability of the program |
| [23:56:00] | ole_schoola: | ubahivn, ummmm, no — just that the .nuv files you have now are really just .mpg files ready to transcode down to DVD spec mpeg-2 |
| [23:56:00] | jerky_2: | it's in a local station's best interest to broadcast to me their channel data anyway, otherwise i won't watch their channel |
| [23:56:00] | ole_schoola: | Nero recode in Windows works, so does TMPEG |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: here's why: most window$ programs judge what kind of file they're looking at my looking at the extension and nothing else |
| [23:57:00] | jerky_2: | so i don't see why stations don't set up their own feed and distribute their own data freely, since they already mostly do it over the air |
| [23:57:00] | ubahivn: | ok so anything that can read mpeg2 files will have no problem with those if I change the extension? |
| [23:57:00] | ubahivn: | I am in slack |
| [23:57:00] | ubahivn: | not win |
| [23:57:00] | Juski: | jerky_2: stop this now.. it's getting silly. you know what'd happen |
| [23:57:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: open the files in VLC.. that'll tell you |
| [23:58:00] | ole_schoola: | jerky: because that transfer of data has been and is a very big cash machine for a number of aggregators |
| [23:58:00] | Chutt: | 'a number' meaning '2'. |
| [23:58:00] | ubahivn: | not fimalure with VLC? |
| [23:58:00] | DarkBeer: | is there a problem with zap2it, or is someone creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist? sure seems to work fine here |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | jerky: and notwithstanding the implication that every data provider does things 'their way' (the 'right' or 'best' way).. they'd never be interoperable |
| [23:59:00] | jerky_2: | ok |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | ubahivn: www.videolan.org |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [23:59:00] | ubahivn: | kk |
| [23:59:00] | ole_schoola: | there are men-in-the-middle that do format conversion before the aggregators as well |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | and data entry operators on minimum wage, no doubt |
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