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Wednesday, February 8th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] sammylin2: no =(
[00:00:00] sammylin2: i was hoping to use test-mpeg2 to test linux capturing
[00:00:00] sammylin2: but its not in the packages anymore
[00:00:00] cthompson: or a firewire cable you can hook between the linux box and the ibook and boot the ibook in client mode
[00:00:00] Juski: wait a sec folks... isn't 0.18.1 no good for firewire.. don't you have to use 0.18.2 or something?
[00:01:00] sammylin2: i thought after 17 firewire was added
[00:01:00] Juski: it was added, yes.. but from what I remember 0.18.2 is better
[00:01:00] yellow-snow: sup everyone
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[00:02:00] psymin: sammylin2: cp /dev/video0 /home/psymin/foo.mpg worked for testing my hauppauge card
[00:02:00] sammylin2: Juski, i think i remeber seeing soemthing like that when i emerged mythtv
[00:02:00] sammylin2: =O
[00:02:00] Juski: that could be the answer
[00:02:00] sammylin2: psymin, i dont have a tuner card
[00:02:00] sammylin2: ohhh no, its not in portage
[00:02:00] sammylin2: lol
[00:03:00] Juski: but you emerged it already yeh, so you've got all the dependencies...
[00:03:00] Juski: (in theory)
[00:03:00] Juski: prolly masked
[00:03:00] sammylin2: is there a ieee1394 use flag ?
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[00:03:00] sammylin2: they skipped .18.2
[00:03:00] Juski: think so
[00:04:00] sammylin2: going straight to .19
[00:04:00] psymin: 0.19_pre8642 .. hmm
[00:05:00] sammylin2: how do i get all those notices that are printed out after emerging?
[00:05:00] sammylin2: a pacakge
[00:05:00] sammylin2: besides reemergin
[00:05:00] Juski: http://www.gentoo-portage.com/media-tv/mythtv
[00:06:00] cthompson: wasn't 0.19 supposed to be out by now? I thought I saw something from Isaac
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[00:06:00] psymin: sammylin: they are prolly in the .ebuild somewhere? *shrug*
[00:06:00] Juski: now now.. it'll be out when it's ready
[00:06:00] Juski: unlike some M$ shite I could mention ;-)
[00:07:00] sammylin2: my girlfriend fell in love with mythweather
[00:07:00] sammylin2: she was in awe
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[00:07:00] cthompson: Juski, I'm cool with that
[00:08:00] xpis: cthompson: did you think of any more novel ideas for keyboard control?
[00:08:00] Juski: cthompson: good... like you have a choice!
[00:08:00] xpis: cthompson: you could pluck the keys and install solid state switches for the number keys.
[00:08:00] cthompson: xpis: the usbnet cables won't work
[00:08:00] xpis: cthompson: why not?
[00:09:00] cthompson: the usbnet cable isn't a cable. It's a box with cables out both sides, it registers on both as a network client
[00:09:00] xpis: Well, if you could find a controllerless USB card that you could software drive...
[00:10:00] Juski: what are you trying to do?
[00:10:00] xpis: to control his cable box with a fake keyboard
[00:10:00] cthompson: Juski, I have Time Warner. The SciAtl boxes are apparently notorious for bad IR blaster
[00:10:00] Juski: ah
[00:10:00] Yellow-Snow: "KnoppMyth doesn't support he playbak of encrypted DVDs. " is all real dvd's encrypted?
[00:10:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: yup
[00:10:00] Yellow-Snow: oh my
[00:10:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: yes, all dvds are encrypted
[00:10:00] Yellow-Snow: then.. wtf?
[00:11:00] cthompson: but, the boxes have a USB port you can plug a keyboard into and change the channel by typing on the keypad
[00:11:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you'll have to install libdvdread with the css modules.
[00:11:00] Juski: ;-) ;-) ;-)
[00:11:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: but.. before you do so... note that in the USA it is NOT LEGAL.
[00:11:00] cthompson: so I want to find out a way that my mythbacked server can pretend to be a USB keyboard
[00:11:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont get it
[00:11:00] Yellow-Snow: tho?
[00:11:00] Yellow-Snow: like
[00:11:00] cthompson: it's not easy
[00:11:00] Juski: it's not legal anywhere else either
[00:11:00] Yellow-Snow: why can i play dvd's on my xp system
[00:11:00] Yellow-Snow: but its illegal for linux?
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[00:11:00] sammylin2: i'm going to emerge mythtv-r2 with ieee1394 as a useflag and report back the results for u guys
[00:12:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you are violating the DMCA by circumventing copy protection. It is legal elsewhere as you are not copying anything – you are only viewing them.
[00:12:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i only want to view. well for now.. lol
[00:12:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Linux is not licensed to read dvds. It is free. DVD software costs $$$.
[00:12:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[00:12:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: because the authors of the DVD playback software for Windows paid the licence fee for the code
[00:12:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[00:12:00] Yellow-Snow: i see
[00:12:00] Juski: what you need is very easy to find though
[00:12:00] cthompson: Juski, I found a box that turns serial into USB keyboard, but they're $290 a piece
[00:12:00] cthompson: and I'd need three
[00:12:00] Yellow-Snow: yup juski .. that or a flat out turtorial
[00:13:00] Yellow-Snow: well one of the problems i was trying to fix was i cant play a real dvd
[00:13:00] cthompson: in the end it would be cheaper to just go buy a chain saw
[00:13:00] Yellow-Snow: and now i understand why
[00:13:00] xpis: cthompson: try to find server room equipment that provides a networked virtual keyboard for each and every server.
[00:13:00] cthompson: and cut down the trees in my neighbor's yard that prevent me from using DirecTV
[00:13:00] Juski: cthompson: funny thing – at work today I saw a little PCB sending USB messages out, simulating a mouse & keyboard
[00:13:00] cthompson: xpis, big big dollar
[00:13:00] cthompson: Juski, how much?
[00:13:00] Yellow-Snow: tho everyone in here has their dvd player set up to play real dvd's right?
[00:13:00] squish102: same ppl every time i look in here ;)
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[00:13:00] Juski: the PIC micro on it will cost list $3
[00:14:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: yup
[00:14:00] Yellow-Snow: aight.. dosent matter if i use mplayer or xine
[00:14:00] Yellow-Snow: both wont work till i install the things?
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[00:14:00] Yellow-Snow: thats illegal eh?
[00:14:00] Juski: cthompson: does your box work with a USB numeric pad?
[00:14:00] cthompson: yep
[00:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the MPAA is not going to sue you unless you start a copying rig or distribute binaries.
[00:14:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: yup – you and everyone else will go to hell
[00:14:00] cthompson: all I need is keypad0-keypad9, escape and enter
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: xpis...
[00:15:00] cthompson: and really, I don't need escape
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: my whole xp system is illegal
[00:15:00] sammylin2: cya guys, thanks Juski for the help as well as everyone else
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: from macromedia to the xp
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: pro
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: sp2
[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:15:00] cthompson: I found a chip
[00:15:00] Juski: cthompson: it should be a doddle to fettle a USB keyboard PCB to do what you want
[00:15:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Give me your name, address, and SSN so I can call up the BSA and get my reward money.
[00:15:00] Juski: xpis: give em his IP address :)
[00:15:00] scottder: xpis: me first!
[00:15:00] cthompson: Juski, in theory. But I haven't slung a soldering irong since, say, 1989
[00:15:00] Juski: that's all they need
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[00:15:00] Yellow-Snow: hhaha really?
[00:16:00] Yellow-Snow: lol they actually give u reward money
[00:16:00] cthompson: I found a chip
[00:16:00] scottder: Your internet provider will roll on you in a minute
[00:16:00] cthompson: that takse serial or parallel in, does usb key out
[00:16:00] cthompson: $10 a pop
[00:16:00] Juski: quicker than you could say 'subpeona'
[00:16:00] Yellow-Snow: haha
[00:16:00] cthompson: but the input is a bizzarre format
[00:16:00] cthompson: each character is 19 bits
[00:16:00] Yellow-Snow: get this tho
[00:16:00] cthompson: I figured I coudl hook that up to parallel port and twiddle the pins reasonably enough in perl
[00:17:00] Yellow-Snow: microsoft is giving everyone at LSU free usage of almost all their software
[00:17:00] xpis: What's wrong with sending odd characters? At worst, you just write some assembler to drive the thing.
[00:17:00] Yellow-Snow: how cool is that
[00:17:00] scottder: Hook em young
[00:17:00] cthompson: xpis: it's not ascii
[00:17:00] scottder: first try is free
[00:17:00] Juski: cthompson: you could maybe use a serial to usb converter
[00:17:00] cthompson: each charachter is a 19 bit string
[00:17:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: you're paying MS in tuition and fees.
[00:17:00] cthompson: Juski, I found one of those
[00:17:00] cthompson: $290
[00:17:00] Yellow-Snow: no you are
[00:17:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: the licenses are NOT free.
[00:17:00] cthompson: I have three cable boxes
[00:17:00] Yellow-Snow: thx to your taxes
[00:17:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow:they are compulsatory
[00:17:00] Yellow-Snow: true
[00:18:00] Yellow-Snow: tho they prob use our supercomputer
[00:18:00] Juski: cthompson: can you program PIC micros?
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[00:18:00] cthompson: Juski, I've never done it, but I've done various assembly before, and before I defected to the software side, I was a Computer Engineering major, so I have some basic electronics knowledge
[00:19:00] cthompson: but I haven't been in school since 1990
[00:19:00] cthompson: is there a PIC with USB?
[00:19:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, I revoke my $0.0000000001 cents of my taxes that goes to you! I expect a check tomorrow!
[00:19:00] Juski: no, but you can easily hook PIC IO pins up to the keyboard scanning lines via transistors
[00:20:00] Yellow-Snow: haha actually
[00:20:00] Yellow-Snow: tops + pell
[00:20:00] Yellow-Snow: i make ~ 450 a month
[00:20:00] Yellow-Snow: for going to school
[00:20:00] cthompson: that was my next step
[00:20:00] cthompson: Micro Center has a USB keypad for liek $9
[00:20:00] cthompson: man I can't type tonight
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[00:21:00] xpis: irc should have a sed command, to correct text after it has been sent.
[00:23:00] cthompson: xpis, every other channel I'm on I'd have followed that with s/liek/like/
[00:23:00] cthompson: and the assembled geekage would understand
[00:23:00] cthompson: I didn't here because I didn't know the channel :)
[00:24:00] Yellow-Snow: how many people have their games all set up anyways?
[00:24:00] scottder: s/geekage/high and mighty ones/
[00:24:00] scottder: :)
[00:24:00] squish102: still trying to figure out the compile settings of ffmpeg off the knoppmyth 5A30.2
[00:24:00] cthompson: scottder: most channels it's all old guys like me
[00:24:00] Yellow-Snow: ew squish u use knoppmyth?
[00:24:00] Yellow-Snow: have you set up your dvd player to play real dvd's?
[00:24:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow, initial pain was less
[00:25:00] ** cthompson wanders off **
[00:25:00] xpis: (here's yellow-snow's secret: he users knoppmyth too)
[00:25:00] Yellow-Snow: ?
[00:25:00] xpis: cthompson: so.. you're going the hacked keypad route?
[00:25:00] xpis: [Yellow-Snow] ew squish u use knoppmyth?
[00:25:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow, yes i can put a dvd in and play it.. is that what u were asking?
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[00:25:00] Yellow-Snow: no xpis it seems im the minority when it comes to dest
[00:26:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean the encrypted dvd's like from blockbuster ect.. just b/c its something im trying to figure out
[00:26:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: just google for the thing you need
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[00:26:00] mchou: haha!! This is great! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5194733
[00:26:00] Juski: xine will even tell you what you need because it'll complain it hasn't found it
[00:26:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow, um, have not tried yet with a blockbuster one
[00:26:00] Yellow-Snow: i cant install xine =/ some gay error
[00:27:00] Juski: cthompson: http://www.vetra.com/335Utext.html
[00:27:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: so how are you gonna play DVDs with menus?!
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: idk.. i just no the error libreadline5 missing library is not an easy fix for a noob
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: =)
[00:28:00] squish102: blockbuster + dvdshrink + dvddecryptor + dvd+-RW works though
[00:28:00] squish102: but i just didnt say that
[00:28:00] dtm: say what?
[00:28:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, hrm. If you are in college, shouldn't you be able to understand that error?
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: plz my field is girls
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: not linux
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:28:00] Yellow-Snow: na actually im pretty good at windows just linux is brand new
[00:29:00] ** dtm falls into a state of abject terror at Yellow-Snow's last comment **
[00:29:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, you obviously don't know your feild very well if you're dealing with linux and expecting to see any females again :P
[00:29:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: who is paying for your education?
[00:29:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: what exactly *are* you majoring in?
[00:29:00] Yellow-Snow: haha yea i made a comment 3 days ago
[00:29:00] Yellow-Snow: am i a nerd when i pass up plans to work on my box?
[00:29:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, so the error is missing lib, and it gives the name. perhaps maybe you're missing that lib? and perhaps you should go install it?
[00:29:00] Yellow-Snow: then so be it!
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: yea kormoc so thats what i do.. go to google and search.. find the library
[00:30:00] dtm: kormoc: install it on WHAT?! on the tv?
[00:30:00] kormoc: dtm, on his linux box
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: it its like.. u need this this this blah blah.. and all give the errors
[00:30:00] dtm: kormoc: on the remote control?
[00:30:00] kormoc: dtm, hehe :P
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: i got the remote working
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: after everyone was about to kill me
[00:30:00] dtm: kormoc: SOOOOO CONFOOOZING++
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: =)
[00:30:00] dtm: COMPUTARZ IS HARD.
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: great shirt idea
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: !
[00:30:00] dtm: kthx
[00:30:00] dtm: go get em tiger
[00:30:00] Yellow-Snow: 10% back to you?
[00:31:00] dtm: fine, fine.
[00:31:00] Yellow-Snow: score!
[00:31:00] dtm: have the penguin on it, is all
[00:31:00] dtm: TUX
[00:31:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:31:00] scottder: cthompson: "Great Old Ones" then :)
[00:31:00] Yellow-Snow: i have a cool theme for my phone thats linux
[00:32:00] dtm: lalalala
[00:33:00] Blammo[work]: .nite all.
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[00:35:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: If you are having problems with your DVDs, you should never, ever install libdvdcss. Instead, get a framegrabber, go to Circuit City, buy a dvd player, and hook the dvd player up to your framegrabber. Now you can watch DVDs. You can even IR blaster the dvd player if you want.
[00:36:00] Juski: rofl
[00:36:00] dtm: :-I
[00:36:00] dtm: xpis: now that's the most clever thing i think i've read all day.
[00:37:00] Juski: now if you've got a dvd player already that you no longer use, wouldn't that mean you've already paid your dues?
[00:37:00] dtm: blam
[00:37:00] dtm: layin it down, just like dat
[00:37:00] dtm: Juski: stands to reason!
[00:38:00] Juski: I doubt it works like that though – but hey they've got their money so they can stfu ;)
[00:38:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: Also... if you switch to fedora, make double sure to NOT download this package from atrpms – even though it may be done automatically. If installed, blockbuster may be notified and they may jail you when you return any movie. If you accidently get this package installed when using yum to install mythtv, delete it immediately!
[00:41:00] xpis: In fact, you may want to avoid atrpms altogether. They host many packages which violate the Intellectual Property rights of many companies that employ hardworking Americans. By supporting people who circumvent Digital Rights Management protections, you are supporting terrorists, drugs, and causing movie producers to go bankrupt. Just don't do it!
[00:42:00] Juski: so by implication, people who use linux are terrorists... jesus
[00:42:00] Juski: oh well, so be it. stick it to da man
[00:46:00] xpis: Examples of legal sources of packages include Windows Update (using a licensed copy of XP SP2 properly installed as to not disturb product activation), CDW, dell, and symantec.
[00:48:00] Juski: wow... is this like some new congress act they're gonna push through when nobody's looking next year?
[00:48:00] xpis: And examples of legal PVRs include MCE, tivo, your cable box, and your satellite box. They all respect important safeguards for movie producers, including respect for their wishes, including the broadcast flag. Content providers should be able to control the devices on which their content is played.
[00:49:00] Yellow-Snow: so wait if i bought the MCE i could play dvd's?
[00:49:00] xpis: Then you could play DVDs legally, and that would be easier than an IR blaster.
[00:49:00] xpis: and framegrabber.
[00:49:00] Yellow-Snow: in other legal linux software?
[00:50:00] ** brendan 's brain explodes ((c) Scanners All Rights Reserved) **
[00:50:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:51:00] Yellow-Snow: hm so this task almost seems mission impossible for a linux newb
[00:52:00] xpis: Not really.
[00:52:00] Yellow-Snow: well my way
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[00:52:00] xpis: It's possible. Criminals have been reported to install certain packages that do such things all the time. They have even made it easy for non-experienced potential criminals to get involved in such activities.
[00:52:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:53:00] Yellow-Snow: ok fugitive :: wink ::
[00:53:00] ** dtm remains vigilant on the lookout for such sundry behaviors **
[00:53:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[00:53:00] Yellow-Snow: i thought irc was safe
[00:53:00] Yellow-Snow: due to bill clinton
[00:53:00] Yellow-Snow: why xdcc bots still exist
[00:54:00] xris: Beirdo: so after much searching, though still no word from the lirc list, it looks like the keyboard has NO support in linux. the mce keys on the keyboard do work (tested those), and the remote works great, but the actual keyboard keys don't work at all
[00:56:00] Yellow-Snow: hhhhhhmmmm so my hd comes in thursday.. i wont be home so they wont leave it..
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[00:56:00] Yellow-Snow: can i print something out or write something saying.. leave it or die <3 heart name?
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[01:01:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: where did your order it for?
[01:02:00] xpis: s/for/from/
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[01:03:00] Yellow-Snow: one is ups one is dsl
[01:04:00] xpis: Did you get a good deal?
[01:04:00] Yellow-Snow: 111 total for 300 gig
[01:04:00] Yellow-Snow: decent
[01:07:00] xpis: scsi?
[01:07:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: crap! it seems like they need my signature
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: even if i leave a note..
[01:08:00] xpis: Anyone can say they are you and sign
[01:08:00] xpis: it really doesn't matter
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: noone is home
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: thats the prob
[01:08:00] xpis: Just make sure they scribble
[01:08:00] Yellow-Snow: To receive your package on the first delivery attempt, track the package and leave a note for the driver on the scheduled delivery day. The note can instruct the driver to either leave the package, or, if a signature is required, deliver it to a nearby neighbor who is home during the day. Other options include having packages sent to an address where someone is available during the day.
[01:10:00] Yellow-Snow: then again if they leave a infonotice i can sign the back and they will leave it
[01:10:00] Yellow-Snow: now how to print an infonotice before they get here
[01:10:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: Could you please leave my package at this door on the left side or behind the plant right behind you to your left? It’s for a college project that’s due tomorrow so I REALLY need it!
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: Thank you so much,
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: Daniel Arbour
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: haha
[01:14:00] Yellow-Snow: guilt trip!
[01:15:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: uh.. you just put your real name into a chat room session that will be indexed by google?
[01:15:00] Yellow-Snow: lol yea
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: i make stalking me pretty easy
[01:16:00] xpis: well, at least you will be googlable. When your potential employer wants to learn more about you... they will know you use illegal xp pro and macromedia.
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: lies~
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: thats not me
[01:17:00] Yellow-Snow: now tell how great i am so they see that also
[01:17:00] Yellow-Snow: !
[01:18:00] xpis: If you want to verify that this room is indeed indexed, google for three random people in the room.
[01:18:00] xpis: And you haven't been here long enough to be indexed.
[01:18:00] Yellow-Snow: oh no i know
[01:19:00] Yellow-Snow: er.. i ran across this irc chat before
[01:20:00] xpis: You can see someone talk about yellow snow in general: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/index.php?date=2005-08-109
[01:20:00] mishehu: anybody have a motorola dct700 cable box? it uses similar codes to the dct2000, but not quite (i.e. 0 is incorrect). I am trying to sample it with my sblive audigy 2zs ir sensor, but it's not picking up the signals from the remote.
[01:20:00] Yellow-Snow: already saw that
[01:22:00] xpis: mishehu: Are you sure your ir sensor is even working?
[01:22:00] Yellow-Snow: DHL blows! they dont say when its going to come in!
[01:23:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[01:23:00] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: look in the contrib directory of the mythtv source and you will find a way to do it with firewire "enjoy :)"
[01:24:00] SlicerDicer-: control the cablebox that is :)
[01:26:00] xpis: Does anyone have a motorola cable box provided by Insight Communications/Liberate Technologies?
[01:28:00] sportman: installing fedora core 5
[01:28:00] sportman: as we speak
[01:28:00] sportman: :)
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[01:37:00] sportman: mmm, myth tv on my vcr
[01:37:00] sportman: :-p
[01:37:00] sportman: i love it
[01:38:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: there are only so many cableboxes by motototala :)
[01:38:00] SlicerDicer-: look on the bottom I bet its a DCT
[01:39:00] SlicerDicer-: depending on what one depends on if you can control it via RS232 or Firewire :)
[01:39:00] ** sportman is still trying to figure out the whole firewire out deal **
[01:39:00] sportman: i mean my cable box should support the firewire thing on myth tv
[01:39:00] sportman: but i have no idea how to use it
[01:39:00] sportman: or set it up
[01:39:00] sportman: :X
[01:39:00] sportman: bbl
[01:40:00] sportman: v
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[01:45:00] DarkBeer: xpis: i have the new HD pvr motorola box from insight. not hooked to my myth though
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[01:47:00] xpis: DarkBeer: Do you know if firewire works?
[01:47:00] xpis: DarkBeer: (or are all channels encrypted)
[01:47:00] DarkBeer: no, don't know. haven't tried it yet. only had it for a week
[01:47:00] xpis: DarkBeer: Also.. do you have any idea what the diagnosic code is? The standard is POWER-ENTER, but they changed it to keep people out.
[01:48:00] xpis: DarkBeer: (your installer pressed it during installation, but likely held the remote to keep you from seeing)
[01:48:00] DarkBeer: xpis: no, sorry. probably shouldn't have even answered that I have the box ;)
[01:48:00] xpis: DarkBeer: Do the DVR features work?
[01:48:00] DarkBeer: yes
[01:49:00] xpis: DarkBeer: I wonder if it can output recordings via firewire... that would be a unique way to record to myth – record first on the insight PVR then rip to myth.
[01:49:00] Yellow-Snow: can someone help me? im following this guide but stuck at a part... "copy the contents of essential-20050412 to the codecs dir you just made" i tared the bz2 how do i do that
[01:49:00] sportman: fucken fedora is being gay
[01:49:00] DarkBeer: xpis: yeah, that would be nice. wife would like to move the u2 concert she recorded over to dvd
[01:50:00] sportman: hmm
[01:50:00] sportman: damn any other distro u guys suggest?
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: cp essential-20050412 /usr/local/lib/codecs
[01:50:00] sportman: i need something small
[01:50:00] xpis: DarkBeer: well.. grab a cable and hook it up to see.
[01:50:00] Yellow-Snow: is that how?
[01:51:00] sportman: cause i want to install it tonight
[01:51:00] Kelerion: ubuntu
[01:51:00] sportman: so whats the smallest iso download that i can run myth tv on
[01:51:00] xpis: sportman: what's wrong?
[01:51:00] sportman: ah, no ubuntu
[01:51:00] Yellow-Snow: knoppmyth!
[01:51:00] sportman: i went to install fedora 5 and it errored and rebooted
[01:51:00] xpis: sportman: What error?
[01:51:00] sportman: fuck not knoppmyth that thing was a POS
[01:51:00] sportman: i dunno it rebooted to quick
[01:51:00] sportman: ill try once more
[01:51:00] DarkBeer: xpis: might tomorrow with my laptop. too much of a pain to move the mythbox downstairs and try it
[01:51:00] xpis: sportman: It is usually a HD issue or a RAM issue.
[01:51:00] sportman: but i want to start downloading a diff iso to get ready just incase
[01:52:00] sportman: i guess hdd :(
[01:52:00] sportman: i dunno y though
[01:52:00] xpis: sportman: How much ram and how big of a HDD
[01:52:00] sportman: its a western digital
[01:52:00] Yellow-Snow: have u tar something.. where is it located?
[01:52:00] sportman: 160gb
[01:52:00] sportman: and 512mb raqm
[01:52:00] xpis: sportman: That should suffice... try text installation.
[01:52:00] sportman: it was installing then it hung on install xsomething
[01:52:00] sportman: but the gui booted
[01:52:00] sportman: so i got into the installer
[01:52:00] xpis: DarkBeer: ok, it would be handy to know.
[01:52:00] sportman: still install in text?
[01:53:00] Yellow-Snow: .. why hasen't someone made fedora install thats striped and configed for mythtv?
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[01:53:00] sportman: that would be a good idea
[01:53:00] sportman: im writing that down
[01:53:00] sportman: and if it doesnt happen by the summer
[01:53:00] sportman: ill give it a go
[01:53:00] xpis: sportman: look at your install log
[01:53:00] xpis: sportman: boot into rescue mode and mount the partition
[01:54:00] sportman: it messed up my bootloader
[01:54:00] sportman: :X
[01:54:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean like... totally stripped b/c isent almost everyone just running mythtv and thats it?
[01:54:00] sportman: ah, i guess i can do that
[01:54:00] xpis: no boot loader needed.
[01:54:00] sportman: yea
[01:54:00] xpis: Boot to the cd and type linux rescue
[01:55:00] sportman: yea i guess
[01:55:00] sportman: im already in the reinstall proccess
[01:55:00] sportman: so if it errors again
[01:55:00] sportman: ill look at the log
[01:55:00] sportman: it might be bad media though
[01:55:00] sportman: i put it on a damn old dvd
[01:56:00] Yellow-Snow: mv essential-20050412 /usr/local/lib/codecs will that work after i tar something?
[01:56:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: what does "tar something" mean?
[01:56:00] sportman: hmm
[01:56:00] sportman: ah
[01:56:00] sportman: here we go
[01:56:00] sportman: exception occurred
[01:56:00] Yellow-Snow: tar -xjf essential-20050412.tar.bz2
[01:57:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: that'll work if you're trying to install the codecs, which you'd know if you read anything, ever.
[01:57:00] sportman: /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py
[01:57:00] sportman: and some other stuff
[01:57:00] Yellow-Snow: i am reading dtm!
[01:57:00] Yellow-Snow: it didnt say how to do that
[01:57:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c its implied u know how
[01:58:00] Yellow-Snow: come on now.. im getting there
[01:59:00] xpis: It's probably bad media
[01:59:00] xpis: Try a network install
[01:59:00] xpis: That's what I always do.
[01:59:00] xpis: I hate installing from optical media.
[01:59:00] SlicerDicer-: sportman: I cant help with the firewire at this time
[01:59:00] SlicerDicer-: I do know how to work the RS232 but I will be going to the HDTV box soon :)
[01:59:00] SlicerDicer-: so then I will be able to do the firewire hehe
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[02:00:00] sportman: cool
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[02:00:00] sportman: my box is scientific atlantic
[02:00:00] sportman: or w.e.
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[02:02:00] sportman: ok
[02:02:00] sportman: burning on better media
[02:02:00] sportman: that better be the problem
[02:02:00] sportman: this is my last disk
[02:02:00] sportman: actually ill try doing a text install first
[02:02:00] sportman: :-p
[02:02:00] sportman: if that doesnt work, then trying new media
[02:02:00] sportman: :X
[02:02:00] poonj: hey guys, I have a really weird problem. I am running a debian mythbox and I'm trying to use auto-login through gdm. However, when I use autologin, the mythbackend script in /etc/init.d won't start mythbackend. When I don't have autologin set, the script works....any idea as to whats going on?!
[02:03:00] sportman: hmm so any ideas on other possible distros
[02:03:00] sportman: no knoppmyth or ubuntu
[02:03:00] sportman: i loath both
[02:03:00] Yellow-Snow: omg im trying to follow this guide.. and what do you know? I CAN'T! someone please tell me what i did wrong
[02:04:00] Yellow-Snow: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4706 did everything (which is a lot for me!) up to .. cd xvidcore/build/generic.. wtf i don't have that folder?
[02:05:00] nasa: Does anyone have pc games running with mythgames? I have edited the gamelist.xml file under /usr/share/mythtv/games/PC and had my frontend research, but it didn't seem to scan for pc games.
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[02:11:00] xpis: sportman: just do a HTTP or NFS install
[02:11:00] xpis: sportman: that way, you won't have to burn new media
[02:12:00] xpis: sportman: you can use NFS to access the iso image directly, or HTTP to access the (mounted) iso image.
[02:13:00] xpis: sportman: of course, linux can't mount iso files, so you'll need a running linux server to mount the iso files to use http. If you must use windows, you'll have to find a windows NFS server – the fedora installer won't work with smb.
[02:13:00] xpis: s/linux/windows
[02:13:00] xpis: linux can mount iso files – not windows
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[02:18:00] DarkBeer: xpis: Motorola DCT6412 III ?
[02:22:00] Yellow-Snow: =\ i want to be able to follow these guides
[02:22:00] Yellow-Snow: but i cant even do that
[02:22:00] xpis: DarkBeer: I have the older DCT2200 – I haven't decided whether the HD/firewire box is worth the $5/month
[02:22:00] xpis: DarkBeer: If the firewire output is encumbered on most all channels, then there's no way I'm getting it.
[02:22:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: which guides?
[02:22:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: What are you trying to do?
[02:23:00] Yellow-Snow: any guide.. i start to do it right? follow some of the steps but there is always something that i cant do
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[02:23:00] Yellow-Snow: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4706
[02:23:00] Yellow-Snow: did everything it said.. got to $ cd xvidcore/build/generic and it says no such file or directory
[02:24:00] DarkBeer: xpis: google shows that diagnostic on the 6412 should be cable, power off, select, select
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[02:26:00] bmk789: anyone run theire frontend and backend machines over wireless?
[02:26:00] Drakonite: has anyone else been unable to connect to zap2it lately?
[02:28:00] xpis: DarkBeer: but insight uses interface software from Liberate Technologies. This software changes the default diagnostic keys.
[02:28:00] xpis: bmk789: I run them over the internet...
[02:29:00] bmk789: sweet
[02:29:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: do "find . -name "xvidcore" -print" from '/' (make sure we find it)
[02:30:00] mchou: xpis: does liberate still exist as a business?
[02:31:00] mchou: xpis: didn't they go from "pubic" to privately owned?
[02:32:00] Yellow-Snow: nasa
[02:32:00] nasa: yeah
[02:32:00] Yellow-Snow: this is what it looks like on my windows pc
[02:32:00] Yellow-Snow: \\Mythtv\mythtv\xvidcore-1.1.0\build\generic
[02:32:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i get there on my linux comp
[02:33:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: where/how did you untar your file (and as what user)
[02:33:00] Drakonite: let me rephrase... can anyone connect to zap2it.com at all? Neither mythfilldatabase nor just going to their website is able to connect for me, and hasn't been able to for almost a week judging from my lack of tv listings...
[02:34:00] mchou: Drakonite: dude, perhaps your membership elapsed
[02:34:00] bmk789: i got on the site
[02:34:00] Yellow-Snow: um as
[02:34:00] Yellow-Snow: my user?
[02:35:00] Yellow-Snow: tar -xjf each of the bz2 files) i did that
[02:36:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: your linux box name is "Mythtv" right?
[02:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[02:36:00] xpis: mchou: I'm not sure on the status of Liberate. I think they were in trouble awhile back.
[02:36:00] Drakonite: mchou: it has not elapsed. I am positive. And even if it had I could at least connect to their website. I can't even access their webpage — I just get timeouts.
[02:37:00] Kelerion: Yellow-Snow: what exactly are you trying to do?
[02:37:00] mchou: xpis: I think they are good as gone....
[02:37:00] mchou: xpis: Interactive TV was a BUST
[02:37:00] xpis: mchou: Insight started them, iirc, then spun it off.
[02:37:00] sportman: hmm
[02:37:00] xpis: mchou: They also created "Sourceguide", a corny interface to get local news.
[02:37:00] mchou: xpis: well, maybe insight did the right thing
[02:37:00] Yellow-Snow: follow this @#W)$#@ guide
[02:37:00] sportman: xpis: what do u think about slax?
[02:38:00] sportman: will it be possible to set up a backend?
[02:38:00] xpis: s/corny/corney
[02:38:00] sportman: i know its possible to set up myth frontend
[02:38:00] sportman: but i have not seen anyones progress with mythbackend on slax
[02:38:00] mchou: xpis: I pick up nice hardware form liberate from the local surplus stores here
[02:38:00] mchou: from*
[02:38:00] xpis: mchou: What hardware?
[02:38:00] Kelerion: no point posting the linkd Yellow-Snow: I ain't gonna signup to a BB just to see what your trying to do – so tell me what are you trying to do?
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: I have a slax set of modules sitting here for running either a backend or a frontend
[02:38:00] Yellow-Snow: oh sorry
[02:38:00] Yellow-Snow: ok well
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[02:38:00] Yellow-Snow: $ cd xvidcore/build/generic
[02:38:00] GreyFoxx: I just never finished polishing them :)
[02:39:00] mchou: xpis: remote controls, STBs, encoders, all sorts of crap
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: kelerion on my windows pc it looks like \\Mythtv\mythtv\xvidcore-1.1.0\build\generic
[02:39:00] xpis: mchou: Any documentation on what they set their diagnostic codes to be?
[02:39:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: did that get you to the right directory?
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: no thats what im trying to do
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: simple things like that own me
[02:39:00] mchou: xpis: diagnostic codes on what?
[02:39:00] xpis: mchou: set top boxes
[02:39:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: 'cd xvidcore-1.1.0'
[02:39:00] sportman: so will it work GreyFoxx ?
[02:39:00] Yellow-Snow: under root? as user snow? or mythtv
[02:39:00] sportman: cause im considering slax
[02:40:00] mchou: xpis: nope. no luck w/ docs on those things
[02:40:00] Kelerion: "cd /home/mythtv/xvidcore-1.1.0/build/generic/" ?
[02:40:00] nasa: as mythtv
[02:40:00] xpis: mchou: They changed the DCT2000 to do strange things. And Insight has every single DCT2000 box loaded with Liberate firmware.
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: got it
[02:40:00] GreyFoxx: sportman: There is no reason you can't run either a frontend or a backend under slax
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: now i understand
[02:40:00] Yellow-Snow: thanks! is it possible to get there under root?
[02:40:00] mchou: xpis: maybe you can get docs from Insight
[02:40:00] xpis: mchou: Insight won't give out any details.
[02:41:00] bmk789: ubuntu is THE EASIEST distro for setting up MythTV, period
[02:41:00] bmk789: unless your on amd64
[02:41:00] mchou: xpis: well, that's not surprising
[02:41:00] xpis: mchou: It's their policy that the customer not be allowed any access to any diagnostic information.
[02:41:00] mchou: xpis: well, no doubt
[02:41:00] xpis: mchou: Although... when I get an ir blaster working I might just try every 3-code combination possible in succession.
[02:42:00] mchou: xpis: makes sense to me
[02:42:00] xpis: mchou: They even disable the serial port.
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[02:42:00] sportman: ok good to know GreyFoxx
[02:42:00] sportman: going to give that a try
[02:42:00] nasa: Yellow-Snow: try to stay away from doing stuff as root (as much as possible)
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: sportman: I used a USB key/slax as a frontend for a while
[02:42:00] GreyFoxx: no reason it couldn't be a backend as well
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[02:42:00] sportman: oh shit
[02:42:00] sportman: my powerbook does not like this disk
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[02:43:00] sportman: its humming
[02:43:00] sportman: shit
[02:43:00] sportman: this sounds bad
[02:43:00] sportman: major drawback
[02:43:00] `Gumby: bmk789: ubuntu cant be easier than knoppmyth
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[02:43:00] sportman: as a slotloading
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow2: w00t im learning more and more
[02:43:00] sportman: eject u piece of shit
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[02:43:00] sportman: ah fuck
[02:43:00] sportman: XXXX
[02:44:00] rjune: that's one X naughtier then mosdt
[02:44:00] nasa: So has anyone gotten pc games working with mythgame?
[02:44:00] rjune: bzflag and tuxpait
[02:44:00] nasa: rjune: how did you get mythgame to scan for them?
[02:44:00] rjune: there's an xml file to configure them
[02:45:00] rjune: I forget exactly the name
[02:45:00] rjune: but part of the mythgame package
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[02:45:00] nasa: rjune: you mean /usr/share/mythtv/games/gamelist.xml?
[02:45:00] rjune: maybe
[02:46:00] sportman: brb
[02:46:00] sportman: this really sux
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[02:46:00] Ubongo: hi all
[02:46:00] mchou: yeah, finally!! A new episode of House MD.
[02:47:00] mchou: thought that show was cancelled or something......
[02:47:00] mishehu: bah
[02:47:00] nasa: rjune: you mean /usr/share/mythtv/games/PC/gameslist.xml (sorry)
[02:47:00] rjune: that sounds more likey
[02:48:00] xpis: There really should be a mythtv source repository maintained my mythtv. Atrpms has way too many packages and dependency problems – so many people have to rely on things like KnoppMyth. A mythtv repository shouldn't include things like libdvdcss. If people want those (optional) packages, they should have to get them from atrpms or elsewhere.
[02:48:00] rjune: mchou: nope, good show too. tv.com will keep you pdated on it
[02:48:00] xpis: s/source/RPM
[02:48:00] xpis: (it's not what I say, it's what I mean)
[02:48:00] mishehu: xpis: yeah, my ir receiver on the sblive audigy 2zs is working, because if I use the audigy remote while running irw, I do get ir codes captured. but the motorola dct700 doesn't register
[02:48:00] mchou: rjune: hehe, I watch House religiously
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: That would require some of the myth developers to use rpm's :)
[02:48:00] rjune: it's a good show
[02:48:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: then s/RPM/your-favorite-package-manager-here/
[02:49:00] mchou: rjune: indeedy
[02:49:00] Ubongo: having some trouble with my Hauppage PVR 150...can't grab video...I just get a blank screen...help!
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: That would require some of the myth developers to use packages for their myth installs
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[02:49:00] mishehu: packages are the devil!
[02:49:00] mishehu: err
[02:50:00] mchou: xpis: wtf you complaining about? Compile from source man.
[02:50:00] xpis: mishehu: Are you sure that the IR transmitter uses the standard frequency?
[02:50:00] xpis: mchou: I do.
[02:50:00] xpis: mchou: But the people in here wanting support don't.
[02:50:00] mishehu: xpis: I'm not sure what frequency the audigy uses vs. the motorola.
[02:50:00] mchou: xpis: so why would you care about pkgs?
[02:50:00] xpis: mchou: I always compile the latest development code.
[02:50:00] mishehu: I wouldn't be surprised if they use a different frequency
[02:50:00] Ubongo: lol
[02:50:00] xpis: mchou: It would make it easier on people like Yellow-Snow
[02:51:00] Yellow-Snow2: ^^
[02:51:00] mchou: xpis: I disagree. It would just create more clueless ppl
[02:51:00] xpis: mchou: atrpms is a mess. And that's the recommended way to install.
[02:51:00] mchou: ppl who think installing a pkg means "It Works"
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: Uhhhh recommended by who ?
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: the "recommended" install is a source install
[02:52:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: exactly :)
[02:52:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: well, I guess mythtv doesn't officially recommend anything
[02:52:00] GreyFoxx: otherwise packages would be made for people
[02:52:00] xpis: Compiling from source requires someone who knows what they are doing at least to an extent.
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: making and maintaining packages takes a lot of time for most distros, time that non developers can spare
[02:53:00] xpis: Many people need something that "just works" without spending 10 hours figuring out how to install and compile a large piece of software.
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: hence, why packages exist now
[02:53:00] mchou: xpis: and the procedure is documented well on the mythtv.org site
[02:53:00] Yellow-Snow2: no
[02:53:00] Yellow-Snow2: not for totall noobs
[02:53:00] Yellow-Snow2: they say go to a dir and i cant even figure that out
[02:53:00] squish102: knoppmyth: how do i mount the cdrom if it is automount? 'mount /dev/cdrom' doesnt work?
[02:54:00] mchou: Yellow-Snow2: so who's fault is that?
[02:54:00] Yellow-Snow2: so its documented well for those who understand linux
[02:54:00] Ubongo: squish102: whatdoes your /etc/fstab have in it for the cdrom?
[02:54:00] Yellow-Snow2: those who don't need as simple as possible things..
[02:55:00] xpis: mchou: if mythtv maintained a RPM repository, then non-developers could work on maintaining packages.
[02:55:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow2: That's because it's written for those who understand basic unix
[02:55:00] Yellow-Snow2: yup
[02:55:00] squish102: Ubongo nothing, i just have something in mtab
[02:56:00] xpis: mchou: perhaps the same people that make packages for atrpms – but in a community based project.
[02:56:00] mchou: xpis: I dont see the point
[02:56:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: But you have that now
[02:56:00] mchou: it would be even more screwed up
[02:56:00] Yellow-Snow2: oh wait we hate atrpms right xpis? thats a red flag u told me
[02:56:00] GreyFoxx: non developers are maintaining packages as it is
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: and I thought that was your main complaint
[02:57:00] xpis: It should be a community project – and it isn't.
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: then start your own
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: And I'm not saying that to be a jerk
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: If you don't like how it is
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: you have the power to start your own
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: noone is gonna stop you
[02:59:00] xpis: I don't have experience in maintaining packages.
[02:59:00] xpis: What I'm saying is there needs to be an official way for complete newbies to install mythtv.
[02:59:00] Ubongo: use something like "mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /mnt/cdrom (make sure you have the directory /mnt/cdrom) and that /dev/cdrom is your raw raw cdrom device
[02:59:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Why ?
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: Why does it have to be "official" ?
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[03:00:00] squish102: thanks Ubongo
[03:00:00] Ubongo: np
[03:00:00] xpis: If the project's perception is likely harmed due to the decentralized nature of installing it. Also, debugging is harder as people are using different binaries that no developers have (easy) access to.
[03:01:00] Ubongo: you can view the man page for mount details
[03:01:00] xpis: Support would be much easier if things were centralized and official.
[03:02:00] xpis: KnoppMyth is a terrible solution for installing a software package – it shouldn't require its own distribution of linux.
[03:02:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Again, I disagree. there an official method of install, and it is the supported method. If however you choose to do it differently that is your choice. And I can tell you, none of the devs are gonna start installing packages to replicate bugs
[03:03:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: I think that ones goal is to save the user from even having to know anything a bout installing Linux, let alone installing Myth :)
[03:03:00] squish102: xpis, i'm with u.. i had to resort to knoppmyth because after many months of trying on FC4 and gentoo i just gave up
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[03:03:00] Ubongo: I have myth installed and using a PVR 150....don't get any video....any ideas??
[03:04:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: but what fun is that?
[03:04:00] SlicerDicer-: ;-)
[03:04:00] squish102: i been dabbling in linux for about 8–10 years so no noob. but i dont go hacking kernels for a living
[03:04:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Of course, developers usually see no reason why everyone can't just do what they do – install svn, download the source, and compile away. But not everyone who watches TV (which is the target of mythtv) can compile a very large program from source tarballs.
[03:04:00] GreyFoxx: uhh ./configure;make;make install is hardly comparible to kernel hacking :)
[03:05:00] squish102: i must say mythtv has been by far the biggest challenge ever, and would never advise any1 that is new to linux to attempt it
[03:05:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: I think knoppmyth is a great thing myself as it helps a ton of people who know nothing getting it working
[03:05:00] squish102: GreyFoxx with 70 prerequisite apps and versions, knoppmyth is easier
[03:05:00] SlicerDicer-: expands the audience :)
[03:05:00] squish102: and even atrpms is a big help
[03:05:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: autoconf is *after* you've satisfied all dependencies.
[03:06:00] squish102: yum install myth-suite is the way to go
[03:06:00] GreyFoxx: uhhh 70 prereqs? I had to install a total of ummm 3 things before installing myth, libtiff, liblame, and mysql... maybe 1 more.
[03:06:00] SlicerDicer-: that said I cannot stand the precompiled bs that comes with most distros for myth :)
[03:06:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Tell your parents/grandparents to compile mythtv on a stock fedora 4 installation. Give them all the docs, and 8 hours to do it in. Report the results.
[03:06:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[03:07:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Why would I force them to use Fedora?
[03:07:00] Yellow-Snow2: lolol
[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx has a point there too
[03:07:00] GreyFoxx: And for the recording my 79 yr old grandmother runs slackware
[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[03:07:00] squish102: GreyFoxx, i think on my fresh FC3 i stopped after about 15 downloads and got lost in the prerequisits.. install this.. oh this needs something else.. oh that needs something else.. i had to draw a map
[03:07:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Give them their choice of fedora, gentoo, debian, or linspire.
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[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: why limit it like that ubuntu, slack and mandriva are all good too
[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: having said that I prefer gentoo :)
[03:08:00] GreyFoxx: My grandmother has been running Slackware since 1998/99 on her desktops, why would I try and force her to switch to one of those ? :)
[03:08:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: show your parents/grandparents an outlay of linux install cds of every single distro. Give them a discription of each and tell them to pick. Give them 2 hours. Then, proceed with the above instructions.
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: why 2 hours?
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: whats magical about that number?
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: My grandmother could install myth is 2 hours, easily
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: just wondering xpis
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: "Greg, install myth for me"
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[03:09:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: rofl
[03:09:00] GreyFoxx: It took about 2 hours for my very first myth install years ago
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: interestingly enough GreyFoxx thats identical to what my dad would say "I MEAN IDENTICAL!!!"
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[03:09:00] squish102: the whole sad thing is i am a linux fan but am so close to wiping it out, putting on windows and gbpvr as i am fairly sure it would take me a total of 2 hours to have a working system
[03:10:00] GreyFoxx: now it's around 2 minutes from blank HD to full install/boot. Or an hour if I'm compiling on an existing system
[03:10:00] Yellow-Snow2: true
[03:10:00] Yellow-Snow2: but u wont have all the options
[03:10:00] Yellow-Snow2: i want to do the same thing
[03:10:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: ok. Tell your grandmother to go to www.mythtv.org and follow the instructions to install mythtv on her desktop. Give her unix terminal lessons so she can do basic things like change directories and access a terminal. Then see if she can install it.
[03:10:00] Yellow-Snow2: but i always want the best
[03:10:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: I am building a gentoo install right now for myth started about 3 hours ago heh
[03:10:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2 from a quick look at gbpvr it looks like a pretty good comparison to mythtv
[03:10:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Have you COMPLETELY missed what I've said. My Grandmother has been running slackware linux as her desktop for 7–8 YEARS
[03:11:00] GreyFoxx: she would have no problem following instructions
[03:11:00] xpis: But does she use the terminal?
[03:11:00] GreyFoxx: all the time
[03:11:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: its not like the terminal is hard nor gentoo for that matter....
[03:11:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: all you do is follow bloody instructions and your fine
[03:11:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: there is so much documentation that exists out there that I think the hardest part is finding the pertaining docs that you would need but otherwise its easy peasy lemon squeezy
[03:12:00] squish102: SlicerDicer-, u have to be joking... what hardware do u run, what website do u follow?
[03:12:00] GreyFoxx: She's more fearful of hardware than software. She wont open up the machine, but she can follow basic install/compile instructions
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102? what you mean
[03:13:00] squish102: i want what u got, if it is so easy
[03:13:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: I mean I compile my kernel but for n00blers genkernel is fine with gentoo
[03:13:00] Yellow-Snow2: wow gbpvr looks pretty good
[03:13:00] SlicerDicer-: let me grab some docs
[03:13:00] squish102: im onto my 3rd tv tuner card, and 3rd distro and now i just fcked up ffmpeg and no idea how to get nuvexport funcional again
[03:13:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: amd64, x86, ppc what?
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: I do understand your point. You feel it should be a matter of typing "install" and everything is done a minute later and ready to run. And that is what all of these reinvented over and over package systems are suppose to supply. but I find it amusing how often they don't
[03:14:00] squish102: x86, and my nuvexport is all diabled because i apt-get install ffmpeg
[03:14:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Based on your logic Mozilla should eliminate firefox installers on the linux platform. Everyone can just install all the library headers and compile.
[03:15:00] squish102: now i have svn of ffmpeg but no idea what switches i need to compile
[03:15:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_Kernel/System_for_MythTV if you can follow those distructions you will have a working mythsetup it may take 10+ hours for everything to compile but its easy easy and SSH helps alot :)
[03:15:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: atrpms is supposed to provide this with yum install mythtv-suite or something to that effect. But the packages and dependencies are completely whacked – hence the need for an official set of packages.
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: No, I not saying that everyone should be required to install from source. Where did I say that?
[03:15:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: in your arguments against official binaries.
[03:15:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: thats another nice thing about gentoo if I wish to change myh switches its so easy with just doing useflags :)
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: No, I said there was an official install method. Period. I didn't say that people had to follow it
[03:16:00] squish102: SlicerDicer-, what tuner?
[03:16:00] SlicerDicer-: I think personally as a personal prefrence that gentoo is the best distro for myth given how easy you can change it without borking your system
[03:16:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: pvr-350
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[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: I didn't even argue against binaries. I just said that no dev is likely to spend their time on maintaining and said that if you feel so strongly that you should take the reigns
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[03:17:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Ok. Then Mozilla can only distribute sources; and they can rely on atrpms and KnoppFox for (broken) binaries.
[03:17:00] GreyFoxx: Sure, if they wanted.
[03:17:00] squish102: i'm about to cry... all i wanna find is what switches i need to get my ffmpeg compiled to get nuvexport running again :(
[03:17:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: I dont emerge sync and I can constantly rebuild the same exact stable system :) then if I break something I know what caused it. It is great and there is no real need to update something unless there is a security problem but then again meh I m not worried too much about it cause myth does not access the internet except to get program information
[03:17:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: or, they could distribute official, tested binaries.
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[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: That is certainly their choice, either way
[03:18:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: moement
[03:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I will give you a idea :)
[03:18:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: let me ask you this. In your opinion, who is the target of mythtv?
[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: the people who write it, and any friends of theirs
[03:19:00] GreyFoxx: If others get joy from it, that's great
[03:19:00] xpis: Mini poll: Who should be the goal of the mythtv project?  : Newbies that know how to use tivo, computer saavy people who use windows with some linux shell experience, people that know how to install and maintain a linux system, or developers and their friends.
[03:19:00] GreyFoxx: for example, when I rewrote the guts of mythgame, I did it for ME , not for some altruistic idea about "helping others"
[03:20:00] squish102: if i was a developer on mythtv, i would try market it so it became as big as firefox
[03:20:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: well, developers themselves are developer centric. I'm adding volume normalization for ME. But I'll also be contributing it back to the project for EVERYONE.
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: BUT as a happy side effect it is useful to others, and I'm willing to encourage that
[03:20:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: '+a52 +aac +dts +encode +ieee1394 +imlib +ogg +oss +sdl -test +theora +truetype +v4l +vorbis +xvid +zlib' and depending on your cpu you may want to add mmx support but those are the uselfags in gentoo that I use to allow for it to work properly now keep in mind the format I put it in is a printout of portage but still that should give you a idea to some extent of my ffmpeg
[03:21:00] SlicerDicer-: ieee1394 is more than likely not needed on your setup though
[03:21:00] squish102: thanks SlicerDicer-
[03:21:00] SlicerDicer-: yep squish102
[03:21:00] squish102: gonna try get it to compile
[03:21:00] SlicerDicer-: :)
[03:21:00] squish102: bb in 2 hours
[03:21:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[03:21:00] SlicerDicer-: it dont take that long to compile
[03:21:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: you wouldn't be the person maintaining end user support or binaries. And neither is Linus Torvalds for linux.
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Ok, then who would be maintaining it ?
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: you ?
[03:22:00] DarkBeer: yellow-snow :P
[03:22:00] SlicerDicer-: I would love to see God maintain it in His image as it would be perfect then
[03:22:00] ** DarkBeer ducks **
[03:22:00] ** SlicerDicer- ducks **
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: SlicerDicer-: Hah
[03:22:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: I have no idea. But I'm sure there is enough interest in the mythtv community that people would come up to the plate.
[03:23:00] squish102: i really dont think mythtv is meant to go mainstream, it really is ment for the hacker/hobby that wants to spend months working on it.
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: I guess I'm just more cynical. Intentions are always good, but when it comes to ponying up the work, it rare happens. you would be AMAZED at how many people go into the myth-dev list, claim they are gonna code something and maintain it , only to disappear leaving it in the hands of the main devs
[03:24:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: as I said, I have no experience in doing anything with RPMs other than extracting source tarballs out of them.
[03:24:00] GreyFoxx: And I'm dead serious, if there is a community effort why must it be "official" ?
[03:24:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: I have considered building my own version of gentoo and turning it into a installer to spam onto the system to have a presetup myth to make it easy :) but that would be for myself and in "my" image :) and it would be for only my hardware haha
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: SlicerDicer-: I do that now. I'm up to around 30 myth installs done for other people. takes and average of 2 minutes now to get it booted, much more for configuration :)
[03:25:00] xpis: I'm simply making a blanket argument that mythtv should be easier to install for the masses if it is to grow.
[03:25:00] k-man: really?
[03:25:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: no joke eh? I have been tinkering with mine all the time I mean stupid amounts of time for the past year haha
[03:25:00] k-man: oosp
[03:25:00] k-man: ignore me
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: and configuration seems to be where most people that
[03:25:00] k-man: so how is 0.19?
[03:25:00] SlicerDicer-: squish102: its like crack
[03:25:00] GreyFoxx: run into troubles
[03:25:00] k-man: i can barely wait
[03:26:00] poonj: hey guys
[03:26:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: and I can respect your view
[03:26:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: that rocks that you do that though
[03:26:00] poonj: when I try to start up my mythtv-backend script, in the logs, I get this error Could not create //.mythtv
[03:26:00] poonj: what does that mean?
[03:26:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: if no one steps up to create binary packages, then the effort simply won't happen. But mythtv should provide project hosting to anyone who wants to create packages in a community project.
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[03:27:00] UBL: ....
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: how do you judge who's packages are superior and maintain that?
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: This boils down to a philosophical(spl?) issue. Why "should" they. Why would Isaac or any other dev be OBLIGATED to provide the bandwidth for it? they might very well be happy to do it, but why SHOULD they ? They are not OBLIGATED to to anything
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: xpis: I mean serious there would be 100's of packages for the same thing
[03:28:00] poonj: got it..
[03:28:00] squish102: what was it poonj
[03:28:00] GreyFoxx: People keep approaching opensource projects with the idea that they are out to "take over the world" and beat out every other app. IE "grow"
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: do you agree there?
[03:29:00] poonj: I had the script boot up under the user mythtv
[03:29:00] poonj: I changed it to root
[03:29:00] squish102: k
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: And if I hear one more arguement like "if linux is every gonna over take windows blah blah blah" I'm gonna puke.
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: about the 100's of packages and who would decide what is superior etc
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: people ASSUME that is why people do what they do.
[03:29:00] GreyFoxx: But this is not a world of paid for software in which you are competing to take over every user
[03:29:00] UBL: go GreyFoxx :)
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: Windows is sinking and Linux will exterminate with extreme prejustice!
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: ;-)
[03:30:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: But if mythtv grows, more developers will submit patches. And *your* mythtv experience will improve.
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: that was even in engrish for extra pointers
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: People do what they do for the love of doing it, because it helps them do what they want, and for many the fuzzy feelgood hjoy joy feelings of helping others
[03:30:00] ** scottder thinks Linux should have bigger goals the replacing Windows :) **
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: no doubt
[03:31:00] UBL: nescisity (sp) is the mother of all invention
[03:31:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: and alot of that cool stuff goes in contrib directory of the source that directory absolutely kicks ASS!!
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: hehe if only :)
[03:31:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: but it seems nobody even realises its there till you point it out lol
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: Do most packagers include the contrib directory ?
[03:31:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: ok, look at it this way. Donations. $$$. More hardware.
[03:32:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: I dunno I grab it from the mythtv.org downloads section
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: last I checked Isaac doesn't accept donations
[03:32:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: but that may change if it is "productized
[03:32:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: but the things like dct model cablebox channel changing are awesome etc
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: But definately hardware/tuners/whatever are a good way to get stuff supporteds
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: many have offered money and been rehjected
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: but he could very well change his mind anytime he wishes :)
[03:33:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: and the more people using linux PVR, the more demand there is for linux drivers. So more hardware that will ship with linux support.
[03:33:00] SlicerDicer-: lirc channel changers. rebuild database I mean that stuff is just cool GreyFoxx
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[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: I'd be happy with just open specs and documentation. They don't even need to write and maintain drivers
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: but there are many business reasons why that rarely happens
[03:34:00] ** jams is enthralled with this converstation **
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: You would be amazed how often hardware doesn't do what it's claimed to do, either because of physical problems, firmware issues or whatever, but the device driver "fakes" it
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: If they actually gave out source, or specs people would quick realize that A: the hardware is faulty and the driver is a bandaid
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: or B: Product 1 is 99% identical to product 2 but costs 10% as much
[03:36:00] poonj: anyone here know how to get irxevent to bootup at startup?
[03:36:00] scottder: closed drivers allow them to hide a multitude of sins :)
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: hell one time I converted and PCI ide controller to a into a PCI raid controller just by flashing the bios and soldering on a single resistor
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: but to buy the raid controller was 4 times the price
[03:36:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: And companies are more willing to provide documentation to the open source community if it will sell more hardware.
[03:36:00] SlicerDicer-: haha GreyFoxx
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[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: yeah
[03:37:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Graphic card manufacturers sign NDA agreements with xorg to get open source driver support – why? To sell more hardware.
[03:38:00] GreyFoxx: uhhhh sure, AND to hide the crappy portions of their gear
[03:38:00] jams: poonj, you can add it to your X startup
[03:38:00] jams: or have your windowmanager start it
[03:38:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: why would nvidia want to give out the specs to its cards?
[03:38:00] GreyFoxx: personally I would rather open docs and specs over provided binaries
[03:38:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: It doesn't make business sense.
[03:38:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Which is exactly what I've beenb saying for the last 3 minutes
[03:38:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: And open source drivers is a very good compromise.
[03:38:00] poonj: jams, X startup? where is that located?
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: It would be nice if nvidia provided open source drivers
[03:39:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: Open source drivers written under NDAs provided by hardware companies. With free hardware to developers.
[03:39:00] jams: poonj which distro and windowmanager are you using?
[03:39:00] UBL: open source drivers written under nda? lol, read what you typed
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: NDA != Opensource code
[03:39:00] poonj: debian, gnome
[03:39:00] xpis: UBL: NDAs often allow for open source drivers
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: sure
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: when they provide closed source firmware or other binaries to actually talk to the hardware :)
[03:40:00] UBL: that doesnt make sense, ndas restrict what they can do, not allow it to be opensource
[03:40:00] xpis: UBL: I know for a fact alanh has done this with his trident driver for xorg. Go talk to him.
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: just like conexant for the pvr cards
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: or most hardware makers
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: or like nvidia to access their cards
[03:40:00] GreyFoxx: an opensource kernel module that talks to the closed binary :)
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: BUT that being said. It's definately better than nothing
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: and props to all the companies at least going that far
[03:41:00] SlicerDicer-: yay glibc just finished compiling :)
[03:41:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: alanh was provided with complete trident docs. The driver has no closed source component.
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: There are lots of exceptions to every "rule"
[03:42:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: I love that nvidia supports linux :)
[03:42:00] jams: poonj, for gnome you can add it to the "startup programs" list
[03:42:00] SlicerDicer-: but I do have issues with their drivers quite often
[03:42:00] jams: think thats under the session setting
[03:42:00] xpis: Regardless, I think we can all agree that a greater linux userbase is better for linux driver support.
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: SlicerDicer-: The only "issue" I have is with the GL vsync in the latest 2 versions
[03:42:00] poonj: is there some type of file I can enter it in?
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: but I just run 7676 and avoid it all together
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: the latest 2 make my AGP cards run like shit sliding down the wall
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: SlicerDicer-: That's likely the same issue I just described
[03:43:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: yep thats what I do but my PCI-Express I am going to pop to the latest drivers as it appears to be a AGP problem only
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: If you are running SVN you can turn off OpenGL Vsync in the setu pmenu
[03:43:00] xpis: If mythtv is easier to install by Average Joe, the number of mythtv users can go drastically up. Instead of paying $80 for BeyondTV, they might try to install myth.
[03:44:00] SlicerDicer-: larger userbase is not always better
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: Do you read the mythtv-users list ?
[03:45:00] jams: poonj- try ~/.gnome2/session-manual
[03:45:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: speaking of that I should subscribe :)
[03:45:00] xpis: SlicerDicer: why not? Mythtv has attracted the attention of hauppauge, tribune, and other companies.
[03:45:00] poonj: okay
[03:45:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: no.. only the development lists.
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: Cause I can tell you that having watched it for a couple years now, as the userbase hsa grown the signal to noise ratio has only gotten worse. More users it not always better, sometimes, it's just more.
[03:46:00] jams: same can be said for this irc channel as well
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: But, I don't disagree with making myth easier to install, or getting rid of some of the setup screens
[03:47:00] GreyFoxx: Or just a wizard type setup
[03:47:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: but if there were centralized binaries, the S/N ratio might go up – as less problems would be encountered.
[03:47:00] poonj: jams, i dont' see such a file..
[03:47:00] poonj: jams, do I create it?
[03:48:00] jams: poonj don't know. Might be easier to use the control panel
[03:48:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: No, 99% of users problems are lack of unix knowledge, lack of common sense, problems getting hardware configured , "can you look at the hardware I wanna buy" crap, and various other stuff that gets rinsed and repeated monthly since users are not interested in looking in archives
[03:49:00] poonj: jams: yeah
[03:49:00] poonj: jams: cool, thanks!
[03:49:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: and that could be solved by better documentation.
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: Hahah The users don't read what is there now
[03:49:00] SlicerDicer-: heh no joke GreyFoxx
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: I don't disagree with better docs being helpful, especially for the copious amounts of settings
[03:49:00] GreyFoxx: but they don't read what is there now
[03:50:00] SlicerDicer-: GreyFoxx: its nearly equal to somebody saying in #gentoo I cant get DHCP working and yet its the 4th part of the documentation on gentoo's insanely good docs
[03:51:00] GreyFoxx: It will be nice to see the wiki get fleshed out
[03:51:00] SlicerDicer-: although I am not saying I am not going to help. I am going to be writing how to do things with mythdvd and what not on the mythtv.org wiki soon
[03:51:00] SlicerDicer-: bingo!
[03:51:00] SlicerDicer-: I just got to get it precicely ironed out :)
[03:52:00] SlicerDicer-: and then have somebody help me with the layout and I will put on a full guide hehe
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[03:54:00] afm: i have a /etc/lircd.conf and ~/.mythtv/lircrc...everything is recognised when i irrecord, but remote doesn't seem to work under myth
[03:54:00] jams: afm was mythtv compiled with lirc support?
[03:55:00] Yellow-Snow2: has anyone used GB-pvr?
[03:55:00] jams: also does irw work?
[03:55:00] afm: i installed the entire mythtv-suite under wilsons how-to for fc4
[03:56:00] jams: that should have lirc support. Does irw work?
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[03:56:00] SlicerDicer-: gb-pvr?
[03:57:00] afm: xmode2 works...irw doesn't seem to do anything
[03:57:00] SlicerDicer-: whats that Yellow-Snow2
[03:57:00] jams: xpis, btw glad to see your working on volume normalization. It's a nice feature to have.
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: jams: Yeah, I'd fine that handy as well
[03:57:00] GreyFoxx: find
[03:58:00] jams: afm, if irw doesn't work then mythfrontend isn't going to work
[03:58:00] xpis: GreyFoxx: A nice setup wizard patterned after the mythtv interface would make things much easier for newbies. It could walk the user through compiling and installing the various packages, as well as initial configuration. It's a shame to spend so much effort on things like mythtv-setup, only to have the installation require a "geek" to set up. (I'm using that term lightly)
[03:59:00] xpis: jams: I'm using the alghorithm mplayer uses, as it operates nicely on streams.
[03:59:00] jams: afm 1) make sure lircd is running 2) make sure permissions are correct 3) make sure the button names in /etc/lircd.cond match those in your local .lircrc file
[03:59:00] xpis: jams: I should have patches ready by next week.
[03:59:00] jams: xpis- cool, I will be ready to test them
[04:00:00] afm: lircd running...no inet acces, so everything as root, i have lircrc not .lircrc
[04:00:00] xpis: Be warned though that they will not include configuration options or eye candy to go with them.
[04:00:00] xpis: I'm hoping someone will make keystrokes/options/etc once the functionality is possible.
[04:00:00] jams: afm irw uses ~/.lircrc so just link that file your ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:01:00] afm: aight...one sec
[04:01:00] afm: thank btw
[04:02:00] afm: ln -sf lircrc .lircrc .. done ... re ran irw, still nothing
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[04:03:00] afm: er
[04:03:00] afm: actually
[04:03:00] afm: is it ~/.lircrc ?
[04:03:00] afm: i linked inside ~/.mythtv
[04:03:00] jams: yes it ~/.lircrc
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[04:06:00] afm: still nothing
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[04:08:00] Yellow-Snow2: WWHHOOOAA
[04:08:00] Yellow-Snow2: WOW
[04:08:00] Yellow-Snow2: so i set up samba right?
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[04:08:00] Yellow-Snow2: i only have a 10 gig hd.. so it gets full and i am just screwing around right now
[04:09:00] Yellow-Snow2: .. so yea.. i go to my windows pc.. look in C and i see TV.. well open it..
[04:09:00] Yellow-Snow2: what do u know? mythtv started using my hd for room and i have shows recorded
[04:11:00] jams: afm, does it just exit after pressing a button?
[04:11:00] ole_schoola: xpis: i'm going to try an experiment if see how a slightly better than average Joe handles a myth box
[04:12:00] Yellow-Snow2: ew ew pick me
[04:12:00] xpis: ole_schoola: pre or post setup?
[04:13:00] ole_schoola: my brother is interested, has a big media room, single programmed remote, and we just lit up HD cable with a 6200 the other week
[04:13:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2 i have 4 hard drives, one with an aborted FC4 and mythtv, a FC3 and aborted mythtv, a knoppmyth and a semi aborted mythtv, and a knoppmyth and a semi aborted mythtv
[04:13:00] xpis: ole_schoola: post setup, myth is easy to manage. But the installation process is made to be easy... for developers.
[04:13:00] ole_schoola: i'm talking about sticking one in someones lap
[04:13:00] Yellow-Snow2: ? squish no i never set any of that.. thats whats strange
[04:13:00] ole_schoola: configured
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: squish didnt u talk about GB-PVR?
[04:14:00] squish102: i have not done that yet
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: i was reading
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: the like only sorta main con
[04:14:00] ole_schoola: see how he, the wife and kids react to it, they've been excellent so far\
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: is its buggy.. crashes ect
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: personally i dont want to crash my system at all
[04:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: sure its harder.. but i guess in the long run its better
[04:15:00] ole_schoola: i designed an x2 +4400 gaming rig and made him build last weekend ;)
[04:15:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2, and u think mythtv doesnt crash?
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow2: my has never
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[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow2: ew ew ole build me one.. ill put it together!
[04:15:00] phoner2: whoah
[04:15:00] squish102: based on the forums, seems lots of ppl have problems
[04:15:00] Yellow-Snow2: i havent
[04:15:00] ole_schoola: i'd keep it here for a few weeks before dropping it off and reprogramming the remote
[04:15:00] phoner2: hehe, I had it go a whole week without it crashing once
[04:16:00] Yellow-Snow2: and i have been screwing around w/ it non stop
[04:16:00] Yellow-Snow2: before my stuff comes in
[04:16:00] xpis: Btw, no full binary distribution of mythtv can likely take place due to its use of patented, unlicenced algorithms. (mpeg4, lame) Thus, it would be nice to have an installer that would intelligently build mythtv – using some precompiled modules if available.
[04:16:00] ole_schoola: phoner: i had an uptime of 5 months with .16
[04:16:00] rav3r: im trying to follow http://www.lircsetup.com/lirc/blaster/index.php to set up my ir blaster. my blaster has like a headphone jack, and it plugs into the back of the beanbag reciever, is there something special i need to do to set it up?
[04:16:00] phoner2: I keep getting mythcommflag: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0983f0d0
[04:17:00] phoner2: when it trys to commflag
[04:17:00] redline--: xpis you ever play online games? you know the downloader they use would be a nice frontend for myth
[04:17:00] Yellow-Snow2: squish only really PRO i see w/ GB-DVR = easy and mianly.. the drivers for everything is better quality
[04:17:00] xpis: redline: no, I don't play online games. Or any game for that matter.
[04:17:00] redline--: alot have autoupdaters that just go out and getupdated code
[04:18:00] xpis: Ideally, a user choosing to not do an advanced installation should not have to do anything at all with a command prompt.
[04:18:00] redline--: create a nice check box feature and have 1 program get it all
[04:18:00] rav3r: how can i tell what my irblaster is plugged into?
[04:18:00] redline--: you mean com1 or com2?
[04:19:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2: that "=easy" will be more important to u after a couple more months time
[04:19:00] xpis: I may start a project like this if I have the time. It would obviously start out as an unofficial way to install mythtv – but with time, it could become the official method.
[04:19:00] rav3r: im not sure, since it isn't plugged into my computer directly, it is plugged into the back of the ir receiver for my remote
[04:19:00] rav3r: which is usb
[04:19:00] Yellow-Snow2: what u mean squish?
[04:19:00] redline--: is there a simple programming language a newb with little skills can pick up?
[04:20:00] squish102: i have reinstalled knoppmyth so i can copy off ffmpeg and put it back onto my other HD :(
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: in a couple of months ill have this thing tweaked how i want it
[04:20:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2, what tuner u running?
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: b/c 1 of 2 things will happen
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: 1 i will learn how to do it all
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: 2 everyone will get sick of me and vnc to do it
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: lol
[04:20:00] squish102: lol
[04:20:00] Yellow-Snow2: pvr-150
[04:20:00] squish102: i'm betting on 2
[04:20:00] xpis: redline: The user would have to download the proper sources manually. The user could elect to only download the base packages, minus patented ffmpeg codecs and lame. Or, most users would download "mpeg-myth" and "lame" sources.
[04:20:00] ole_schoola: redline: regexp and then perl
[04:21:00] Yellow-Snow2: hey now.. i have learned a lot! vnc.. ftp.. a lot so far
[04:21:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2 i been in linux for 8+ years and this app kicks my butt so far
[04:21:00] xpis: redline: the installer would then detect what it was to build, ask the user questions about hardware, inform the user about missing prerequisites, and perform compilation and optimization.
[04:21:00] Yellow-Snow2: wtf? i started a week ago
[04:21:00] Yellow-Snow2: whats owning you?
[04:21:00] rav3r: im confused, because it doesn't plug directly
[04:21:00] rav3r: it came with my 150
[04:21:00] ole_schoola: xpis: and thus require financial backing to provide centralised resources
[04:22:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2: i'm onto my 3rd tv tuner
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow2: ? 3 at once?
[04:22:00] squish102: nope 2 did not work
[04:22:00] xpis: ole_schoola: ever hear of mirrors?
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow2: wtf
[04:22:00] squish102: or i could not get them to work
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow2: just get pvr-150 for 60$
[04:22:00] ole_schoola: i have pvt350 and 2 airstars, replacing 350 with 500
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow2: thats what i did.. i listented to everyone
[04:23:00] squish102: now i have one and it is much easier
[04:23:00] Yellow-Snow2: so whats the trouble now?
[04:23:00] phoner2: you can fry an egg on the pvr-250
[04:23:00] squish102: the other 2 cards used the bttv driver = SUCKS
[04:23:00] ole_schoola: xpis: sorry, my corporate ugly side reared up ;)
[04:23:00] ole_schoola: xpis: have you seen experinet's DVD server?
[04:24:00] rav3r: anyone else doing irblasting with the 150 remote and blaster?
[04:24:00] xpis: ole_schoola: An installation wizard would simply tell the user in plain english what was missing, for example. It might say "Can't find mysql. You seem to be running fedora. Try using the fedora package manager to install the mythtv package, then click next to continue"
[04:24:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2, no remote working yet, i screwed up ffmpeg/nuvexport, mythburn only kinda works some times. quality of recording not good
[04:24:00] afm: could not get file information for /dev/lirc
[04:24:00] Yellow-Snow2: oh.. whats mythburn?
[04:24:00] xpis: ole_schoola: nope
[04:24:00] ole_schoola: txpis: that just might be the mother of all start scripts
[04:25:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow2, if it worked, it would be GREAT
[04:25:00] Yellow-Snow2: what is it
[04:25:00] Yellow-Snow2: ?
[04:25:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: would you find an automatic mythtv installer/compiler helpful? (a script you would run to walk you through mythtv installation on any linux system)
[04:25:00] rav3r: is there a command or anyting that can tell me where my blaster is located?
[04:25:00] Yellow-Snow2: yes
[04:25:00] ole_schoola: the experinets are just mythdvd boxen, totally comercial wrapped, packed and dealered out
[04:25:00] Yellow-Snow2: i forget it tho
[04:26:00] squish102: it would allow my wife to, from the web interface, select the shows she would like to watch, stick a dvd-rw in the drive and wait for the dvd to pop out with her show on it
[04:26:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow2: you might want to drop the 2
[04:26:00] xpis: (your ghost died)
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[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: squish set up vnc
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: add a script when done recording it burns it?
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: idk
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: why does she have to have a dvd? she cant use a remote?
[04:27:00] squish102: cuz i have a DVR connected to TV, atm the computer has not moved to tv room until completly sorted out
[04:27:00] squish102: computer is only the backup
[04:27:00] Yellow-Snow: go to your local newspaper
[04:27:00] squish102: for the 3rd thing that needs to be recorded at the same time
[04:27:00] Yellow-Snow: find a old computer for sale
[04:28:00] jams: rav3r- look through the output of dmesg
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[04:28:00] squish102: Yellow-Snow: i probably have enuf computer junk here to build up 4 boxes
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: then make a frontend
[04:29:00] squish102: the thing is before machine would have a hope in hell of getting into the tv room, it better be better/easier than a DVR
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: hjm
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: ghm
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:29:00] jnunez: I have x11vnc and I can't connect. Where can I check the logs? Or which logs
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: why cant u connect
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: ew ew im good at x11vnc
[04:30:00] Yellow-Snow: make sure its the right ip
[04:30:00] Yellow-Snow: is it running?
[04:30:00] xpis: A mythtv install script could even ask the user what tool they use for updating packages (giving a smart default, yum for fedora, apt for debian..) – and download missing prerequisites like mysql automatically.
[04:30:00] jnunez: Only one IP assigned to the system
[04:30:00] rav3r: jams: what will the line look like?
[04:30:00] Yellow-Snow: try :0
[04:30:00] Yellow-Snow: or :1
[04:30:00] jnunez: ok
[04:32:00] jams: rav3r- is it serial or usb?
[04:33:00] rav3r: it is plugged into the back of my "beanbag" ir receiver that came with my 150 card and remote, the receiver is usb
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[04:33:00] jnunez: it just hangs trying to connect on :0 and :1 until it timeout
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: what ip are you trying?
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: 192.168.1.102
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: 192.168.1.103?
[04:34:00] Yellow-Snow: my dhcp has been changing.. its weird.. might want to check your router
[04:34:00] Yellow-Snow: also make sure its running. go to root and type x11vnc -passwd tivo -display :0
[04:34:00] jnunez: 192.168.2.12:0
[04:35:00] Yellow-Snow: wtf that dosent look normal
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[04:35:00] Yellow-Snow: 2.1 but w/e
[04:35:00] Yellow-Snow: u tried 192.168.2.12
[04:35:00] Yellow-Snow: ?
[04:36:00] jnunez: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:36:00] jnunez: Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: not sure man.. i can walk you through how to install and set up
[04:36:00] jnunez: I have a static on this server
[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: but im still a newb
[04:37:00] rav3r: jams: so, that's where i am confused
[04:38:00] jnunez: Hold on... looking up the error message
[04:39:00] SlicerDicer-: yay 133 dependencies for MythTV :)
[04:39:00] SlicerDicer-: that includes X and all that too haha
[04:39:00] poonj: hey
[04:39:00] poonj: when is myth 0.19 coming out1?
[04:40:00] SlicerDicer-: when its done? that would be my guess heh I have no idea
[04:42:00] Yellow-Snow: squish u still here?
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: build a frontend.. hide it in the atic.. run the wires in the wall and the IR.. and just vnc it to edit the server
[04:43:00] Yellow-Snow: pow i bet your wife wouldn't mind that
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[04:45:00] afm: lircd starts with no errors...running irw afterwards starts with no errors in /var/log/messages, but i still get no output on the screen
[04:46:00] Yellow-Snow: make sure lirc_i2c and lirc_dev is in the /etc/modules
[04:46:00] Yellow-Snow: is my only guess
[04:46:00] Yellow-Snow: after ivtv
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[04:48:00] Yellow-Snow: GD who taught me that shit?
[04:49:00] Yellow-Snow: oh wait.. thats right.. everyone
[04:52:00] afm: its all there
[04:52:00] afm: absolutley no errors in /var/log/messages or lircd
[04:52:00] afm: irw still shows no output when pressing buttons
[04:52:00] afm: but xmode2 reads every button etc....
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[05:00:00] rav3r: anyone wanna try to help me with this ir blaster? it dosen't connect to a com port, so i don't know what to do
[05:02:00] sammylin: quick question
[05:02:00] sammylin: i can store HDTV TS files using test-mpeg2
[05:02:00] sammylin: but i cant view it, (mplayer crashes)
[05:03:00] sammylin: could that be a reason i cant 'Watch TV' ?
[05:03:00] sammylin: i know im goin to get flamed for this
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[05:11:00] SlicerDicer-: hi xris
[05:11:00] rav3r: the only information i can find one the "MCE IR Blaster" (which i guess is what i have) is that it doesn't work in linux. say it ain't so!
[05:11:00] SlicerDicer-: I found the problem with my old mythbox :) The PSU exploded last night during testing of why the harddrive was going stupid and explained the problem so no more problem and -1 PSU's :) glad the HDD was not dien heh
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[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: rav3r: 'your irblaster' + lirc and google should yeild some information if it works or not
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[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: hello kormoc
[05:13:00] kormoc: mornin
[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: its 915!
[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: pm
[05:13:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[05:14:00] kormoc: yes, yes it is!
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: well kormoc hopefully I will have my mythbox done by 8pm tommrow
[05:14:00] kormoc: yeah?
[05:14:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know if I am going to make it
[05:14:00] kormoc: ooh?
[05:15:00] SlicerDicer-: 13/133 packages done so far
[05:15:00] SlicerDicer-: although the entire base system is done for gentoo
[05:15:00] squish102: if i wanted to reinstall mythtv, can i do it with nuvexport and then copy the files out and reinstall, put files back ind run sql?
[05:15:00] squish102: dont wanna loose what i have recorded
[05:15:00] kormoc: squish102, just dump the database, and don't work about the nuvexport thing
[05:16:00] squish102: ok thanks
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I cant wait to start using nuvexport hardcore :)
[05:16:00] SlicerDicer-: this new CPU is going to allow me to do alot more
[05:16:00] kormoc: :)
[05:16:00] squish102: like what SlicerDicer- ?
[05:17:00] SlicerDicer-: what you mean squish102?
[05:17:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: yeah and I am bumping from 250 to 450gb
[05:17:00] squish102: nvm SlicerDicer- it is late and i need sleep ;)
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: you going to use your old system as a dedicated backend etc? insted of using 1 computer for everything?
[05:18:00] ** squish102 dreams of one day taking some steps forward with mythtv :D **
[05:18:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, I have a dedicated backend, a 2.13 ghz celeron d
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: wha?
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: when did you do this?
[05:18:00] kormoc: a little while ago
[05:18:00] kormoc: got it for about $200
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: last I talked to you about your setup you did everything on one system
[05:18:00] SlicerDicer-: and the voltage was going crazy lol
[05:19:00] kormoc: heh, I still have that box, still my main desktop :)
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: well thats cool that you got a celeron d for 200$
[05:19:00] kormoc: tho hopefully I'll have the pentium-d box up and going soon
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: how did you manage to swing that?
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: the cost is what I mean
[05:19:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, that was a shuttle sized case, power supply, mobo, ram, cpu
[05:19:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[05:20:00] ShockValue: damn disney! wont let me rip zorro :/
[05:20:00] SlicerDicer-: thats cool kormoc
[05:21:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819112208
[05:21:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145025
[05:21:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856117002
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[05:22:00] SlicerDicer-: wow kormoc
[05:22:00] SlicerDicer-: thats incredible
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[05:24:00] rav3r: SlicerDicer: i've been googling my blaster, that's where i got that info, but I can't find much more about it
[05:24:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: do you know anything about a MCE IRblaster and lirc?
[05:25:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, not really, no, sorry :/
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[05:27:00] rav3r: SlicerDicer- are you working on a mce irblaster?
[05:30:00] SlicerDicer-: rav3r: I use my irblaster with my pvr-350
[05:31:00] rav3r: how does it connect? com?
[05:33:00] SlicerDicer-: it connects to the back of my pvr-350
[05:34:00] rav3r: i have the 150, has a usb ir receiver and the blaster plugs into it, that's what i am trying to get working
[05:35:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh
[05:35:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[05:36:00] SlicerDicer-: well what distro are you using?
[05:36:00] afm: lircd starts with no errors...running irw afterwards starts with no errors in /var/log/messages, but i still get no output on the screen
[05:36:00] rav3r: SlicerDicer- fedora core 4
[05:36:00] afm: i've followed the "wilson" papers... i'm using a serial ir receiver
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: rav3r: no idea
[05:37:00] SlicerDicer-: rav3r: I dont know fedora at all
[05:37:00] rav3r: ok, thanks
[05:38:00] rav3r: i've just posted to the list
[05:38:00] rav3r: that's always my last resort
[05:43:00] poonj: hey guys
[05:43:00] poonj: I'm trying to boot irxevent at startup
[05:44:00] poonj: however, it doesn't start! I am using gnome and added it to the sessions control panel
[05:44:00] poonj: but still no go...
[05:44:00] poonj: anyone have an idea?
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[05:47:00] ShockValue: anyone know how to get xine to work with -vo xvmc ? (kinda related to myth since i use it for dvd playback :))
[05:50:00] Yellow-Snow: Qestions.. for XINE do i need all the lib's? or just the 1.1.1 one?
[05:51:00] ** ShockValue is listening to: Mars, the Bringer of War. **
[05:51:00] ShockValue: err oops, forgot to turn that crap off
[05:54:00] buu: ShockValue: You win!
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[05:56:00] ShockValue: what'd i win?
[05:57:00] buu: Good taste?
[05:57:00] ShockValue: sure, I'll take that :)
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[06:03:00] phoner2: mythmusic always plays a lot louder than playback of recordings, anyone know how those can be adjusted?
[06:03:00] Arkkis: hmm, is'nt mythmusic using mplayer?
[06:03:00] ShockValue: i think you can adjust the volume in the recording profiles.. not sure if thats the best way to do it though
[06:04:00] phoner2: I have to crank the recording profile, volume is pretty low
[06:04:00] Arkkis: if you'd change mplayer settings, you might get the wanted result
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[06:05:00] ShockValue: whoa.. i didnt relize that the one of the themes from this song was also in the star trek somplace
[06:05:00] ShockValue: old school star trek movies that is
[06:05:00] phoner2: are the mplayer settings in the database?
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[06:06:00] phoner2: oh, duh
[06:08:00] ShockValue: anyone use xorg 6.9 ?
[06:10:00] kormoc: ShockValue, I use 7.0
[06:11:00] ShockValue: how's that treating you?
[06:11:00] kormoc: quite well
[06:12:00] ShockValue: im considering upgrading to 6.9 so i can use the xvmc libraries for xine
[06:12:00] Yellow-Snow: does it usually take 40 hours to make install?
[06:13:00] kormoc: usually not
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[06:13:00] Yellow-Snow: well this is taking a good 10 min
[06:13:00] ShockValue: make install mythtv? no.. i think it takes me about 20 minutes for mythtv
[06:14:00] Yellow-Snow: na doing xine librarys
[06:14:00] kormoc: make install tends to take a minute or two
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[06:26:00] ShockValue: kormoc – are you using gentoo by chance?
[06:26:00] kormoc: ShockValue, yes, I am
[06:26:00] ShockValue: just curious if there's a howto on 7.0 so i dont screw up my box :)
[06:27:00] kormoc: there is
[06:27:00] kormoc: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
[06:27:00] ShockValue: groovy, thanks
[06:28:00] Yellow-Snow: arg im not understanding xine-ui
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: i did the library.. unpacked.. configed.. installed ldconfig
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: then got xine.. unpacked.. configed.. and i cant make install
[06:29:00] Yellow-Snow: why?
[06:29:00] ShockValue: kormoc – will i have to re-do my xorg.conf ?
[06:29:00] kormoc: ShockValue, just the change about the mouse driver if it applys
[06:30:00] ShockValue: so it will keep all my nvidia and tv settings and stuff? coolio
[06:31:00] kormoc: in theory, aye
[06:32:00] ShockValue: think i'll back that up just in case.. that took me forever to get working right :)
[06:39:00] Yellow-Snow: hey what do u do w/ a tgz file?
[06:40:00] buu: Yellow-Snow: Eat it.
[06:40:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, usually you extract it
[06:40:00] Yellow-Snow: how tar?
[06:40:00] UBL: sounds like a slackware package
[06:40:00] UBL: tgz
[06:40:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, tar -zxf file.tgz
[06:40:00] Yellow-Snow: kk
[06:42:00] Yellow-Snow: how do you edit your source list
[06:42:00] Yellow-Snow: where is the file?
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[06:46:00] ShockValue: kormoc – the example is a bit confusing.. it says it uses Driver "kbd" but then sets "INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard"" which should i use? (kbd is in my original xorg.conf)
[06:47:00] kormoc: ShockValue, INPUT_DEVICES goes into your make.conf, as it is what drivers that are compiled
[06:47:00] ShockValue: so INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" compiles drivers kbd and mouse. yeah?
[06:48:00] eiggirC: will a winTV go card and a PVR-150 play nicely together inside one machine? They both use the ivtv driver
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[06:59:00] eiggirC: anyone?
[06:59:00] kormoc: ShockValue, correct
[07:00:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u make a directory?
[07:00:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, mkdir?
[07:00:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[07:00:00] Yellow-Snow: i was doniug md
[07:01:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u edit your source list for apt-get?
[07:02:00] buu: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:02:00] Yellow-Snow: score
[07:04:00] Yellow-Snow: do i have to comment out the one thats there?
[07:04:00] Yellow-Snow: or can i have 2 deb http ect
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[07:11:00] ShockValue: speaking of recorded shows.. i picked up a couple episodes of BattleStar Galactica... What the hell is with the word "frack"... i know what they mean, but its just stupid sounding
[07:13:00] Cromz: kind of like frill from farscape
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[07:16:00] eiggirC: ShockValue: it means "fuck"
[07:16:00] eiggirC: ShockValue: :) I suppose to show that its not Earth
[07:16:00] eiggirC: even though they speak english
[07:17:00] ip_goat_rodeo: its a holdover from the original series too
[07:17:00] eiggirC: just don't use the word frack in normal conversation, or else you'll appear a putznucker.
[07:17:00] kormoc: ShockValue, well, if it was fuck, they'd have to sensor it.
[07:17:00] eiggirC: ip_goat_rodeo: yeah
[07:17:00] kormoc: *censor
[07:17:00] eiggirC: kormoc: aye – would increase the rating on the shows
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[07:19:00] poonj: umm
[07:26:00] mchou: some mofos trying to hack my email accts
[07:27:00] mchou: got two "official (i.e. no phish)" emails regarding how to change my acct passwds
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[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: fricken comcast
[07:37:00] SlicerDicer-: argh...
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[07:47:00] fman_: hey all
[07:47:00] fman_: just got a quick question, if anyone can help me
[07:48:00] fman_: I can change channels from the shell, and using the remote, but when I record somthing it selects the wrong channel
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[08:29:00] ShockValue: well xorg7 barfed on xkbdcomp, byt i think i got it fixed (at least it's compiling past that error now)
[08:30:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[08:30:00] ShockValue: oo i know.. is there a way to exclude subdirs from mythvideo imports?
[08:30:00] SlicerDicer-: I havent heard that in a while
[08:30:00] SlicerDicer-: its usually it died or puked
[08:30:00] SlicerDicer-: not barfed
[08:30:00] ShockValue: yeah, barfed is right up there with "hump" :)
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: hey its not as vulgar as mine though
[08:33:00] SlicerDicer-: I recently have been explaining it as "shit sliding down the wall"
[08:35:00] ShockValue: ugh.. why cant i be rich? http://sailsyrinx.blogspot.com./
[08:38:00] ShockValue: ah well.. at least she's mine when i dream.. gnight
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[08:59:00] Beyondhelp: umm , where does mythvideo look for files by default ?
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[09:07:00] tfm: Beyondhelp: that would be /var/lib/mythvideo
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[09:07:00] tfm: see Settings table --> VideoStartupDir
[09:07:00] tfm: or change it via the GUI
[09:07:00] Beyondhelp: ta
[09:08:00] Beyondhelp: does it search subdirs or follow symlinks ?
[09:09:00] tfm: symlinks I think, and he follows subdirs yes
[09:10:00] Beyondhelp: must be a permission problem then
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[09:11:00] Freman: I get this when I switch to HDTV mode – it looks like a signal thing : is it? or is it my lack of XvMC? http://pastebin.com/544646
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[09:31:00] johnp_: anyone seeing an issue with svn mythweb with DVB EIT ? (i.e all the listings are claimed to be recorded ) ?
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[10:05:00] Beyondhelp: I wonder if mythmusic will choke on 5900 mp3s ......
[10:08:00] Freman: my dvb is horribly interlaced )c:
[10:10:00] Beyondhelp: I don't even have a tuner card yet .... , there is always someone worse off
[10:16:00] Freman: hehe, I got 3 now
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[10:16:00] Beyondhelp: I'm getting a baby in about a week instead of a tuner card , *sigh* no more $ for toys
[10:18:00] Freman: babies are ultra-high definition
[10:19:00] Freman: It's official... the 1800xp isn't enough grunt to compile, and use the dvb card
[10:20:00] Beyondhelp: nice the compile ?
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[10:20:00] Freman: not such a bad idea
[10:20:00] Merlin83b: Sounds like a good plan, Beyondhelp.
[10:20:00] Merlin83b: 'Tis what I do :-)
[10:20:00] Merlin83b: Morning juski.
[10:20:00] TomM1: hello
[10:21:00] Freman: nice -n20 emerge yeh?
[10:21:00] Merlin83b: nice -n 20 ...
[10:21:00] Merlin83b: Yeah
[10:22:00] Freman: I'm remerging mythtv with nvidia flags so I can try out XvMC
[10:23:00] TomM1: I am getting the QMYSQL3 driver not loaded message, even though there is /usr/lib/qt-3.3.4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so. I have the directory in my /etc/ld.so.conf and I have run ldconfig. Any ideas?
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[10:23:00] Kelerion: sure its the *right* mysql drivers? -mt for example?
[10:24:00] TomM1: What do you mean#
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[10:24:00] Kelerion: if I installed the mysql drivers.. I have to versions.. multithreaded and non-multithreaded.. depends on your dist
[10:24:00] Kelerion: just an idea of the top of my head.. my have nothing to do with it
[10:25:00] Kelerion: might..even
[10:25:00] TomM1: Oh, I'm running slack and I believe it's running mysqld_safe
[10:25:00] TomM1: not mysql_multi
[10:25:00] Kelerion: and the qt-mysql drivers aren't multithreaded either?
[10:26:00] TomM1: I didn't compile them so how can I tell?
[10:26:00] Kelerion: doesn't matter.. probably not the problem anyways
[10:28:00] Kelerion: ok cool.. got a slave backend running and recording my new cctv cam :)
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[10:32:00] Freman: meh... channel 10 is SLOW again... I hate aus tv timing
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[10:33:00] TomM1: still no luck
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[10:36:00] TomM1: ive had it working a day or two before, so i think slapt-get might of upgraded something and borked it
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[10:38:00] TomM1: Would recompiling now that libqsqlmysql is in ld.so.conf help?
[10:40:00] TomM1: Hello??
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[10:47:00] Beyondhelp: has anyone out there got a good config for a 12 button 4 axis 1 4 way had joypad ?
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[10:54:00] Beyondhelp: darn myth weather satalite map unavailable , where does that come from ?
[10:55:00] Merlin83b: weather.com
[10:56:00] eiggirC: and its always massively wrong for this area
[10:57:00] eiggirC: like – days late
[10:57:00] eiggirC: or just totally wrong
[10:57:00] eiggirC: so, no loss/
[10:58:00] Freman: I need about 10% more cpu
[10:58:00] ** Freman goes hunting a 939 mobo that isn't using an nforce chipset, that isn't overloaded with sound and useless extras, but has sata II **
[10:58:00] Merlin83b: Given you have an 1800+ XP, I guess I need about 110% more CPU, then.
[10:59:00] ** Freman wonders how well myth would run if I dropped the HDDs into the 4400 x2... **
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[11:13:00] tfm: Beyondhelp: its not a question if mythmusic can handle it, its a question if your mysql backend can handle it --> more music --> more cpu used for mysql query's
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[11:18:00] juski: ahh but that's gonna be much less of an issue in 0.19
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[11:27:00] Beyondhelp: it is juski ?
[11:28:00] juski: yep
[11:28:00] juski: mythmusic does a lot less sql banging at startup time
[11:28:00] juski: in svn at any rate
[11:29:00] juski: I have somewhere around 25,000 tracks in mythmusic – takes a good while for mythmusic to load in 0.18, but with SVN the time is greatly reduced
[11:30:00] Freman: hehe... put the dvb tuner in... my disk space went vttt empty
[11:32:00] Beyondhelp: oh good , how would you rate my chances of turning a Cel 1.7 with 512 mb ram , and a fx5200 into a working pvr ( want to buy a WinTV PVR500MCE when I have $340 to spare)
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[11:34:00] juski: depends.. it _should_ be enough
[11:34:00] juski: more than enough infact
[11:34:00] Freman: the whole cel bit turns me off but yeh pvrs are good
[11:34:00] Freman: I think I've over worked mine..
[11:35:00] juski: put it this way. an 800 mhz athlon with 512mb ram has no problems with 2 tuners & playing back mpeg2 at the same time
[11:35:00] juski: and don't say 'wintv' ;-)
[11:35:00] Beyondhelp: well I know that I can transcode at about than real time on a P II 300
[11:35:00] juski: why transcode? just put a bigger disk in ;-)
[11:36:00] Beyondhelp: ok lintv hauupage
[11:36:00] Freman: meh
[11:36:00] Freman: my mythbackend usage jumped to 80% all I want to do is delete a recording
[11:36:00] juski: hdds are ridiculously cheap now... makes no financial sense to go for less than 250GB
[11:36:00] Beyondhelp: anyonme here used a HAUPPAUGE: PVR500MCE ? , anyone in NZ want to buy one at near trade price to finance me into one ?? ;)
[11:37:00] juski: Freman: you using SVN?
[11:37:00] Freman: no stable
[11:38:00] juski: eew... 80%? ouch
[11:38:00] Freman: yeh I know
[11:38:00] Freman: meh, hdd's while cheapish, arn't cheap here yet (c:
[11:39:00] Beyondhelp: well juski sometimes you have to transcode xvid to xvid to get rid of freezes .....
[11:39:00] juski: 80GB cost about £40 here. for less than £60 you can have 250GB
[11:40:00] juski: Beyondhelp: never had any issues with that. anyway pvr cards don't record in xvid
[11:41:00] Beyondhelp: ohoh work alarm goes off in 6.4 hours ....
[11:41:00] Freman: 195 for a 250 sata II
[11:41:00] Beyondhelp: "Maxtor Single 200GB DiamondMax 10 7200rpm 8Mb cache" $150 here
[11:41:00] Freman: Western Digital 250G 7200rpm HDD(8Mb Cache) Instock $143.00
[11:41:00] Merlin83b: My new 200GB arrived yesterday. That was just over £50.
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[11:42:00] Beyondhelp: I love it when people compare prices in different currencys , prefix all of mine in $NZ
[11:43:00] Freman: mine are all $aud
[11:43:00] Beyondhelp: true justki , lets just say I have legacy content in xvid
[11:43:00] Freman: in the mean time... I'm just gonna have to let it transcode while I"m at work
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[11:46:00] Beyondhelp: passout time come , g'night
[11:46:00] Freman: man, there has to be an easier way to delete
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[11:47:00] juski: Freman: something's wrong if it doesn't just do it right away
[11:47:00] TomM1: I'm still getting QMYSQL3 errors. grr, it was working a two days ago...
[11:47:00] Freman: it's cleaned it's self up
[11:47:00] arnbak-: Tobbe, try recompile QT ?
[11:47:00] Freman: it's just so tireing and timeconsuming to delete almost everything
[11:47:00] juski: even on my ext3 partition, deleting a 5GB file takes only a second or so
[11:47:00] juski: ahh yes... block deletions...
[11:48:00] Freman: where that?
[11:48:00] juski: I use mythweb to do that seeing as group deleting doesn't appear to work in 0.18
[11:48:00] arnbak-: TomM1, what system you using mythtv on ?
[11:48:00] TomM1: Slack
[11:48:00] arnbak-: TomM1, os
[11:48:00] arnbak-: self compiled ?
[11:48:00] TomM1: Athlon XP 2600+, tried self compiled from recent and a package
[11:48:00] TomM1: 256mb ram
[11:49:00] Freman: I don't think my transcoding is working anyway... 750 meg for half an hour... analog
[11:49:00] juski: Freman: could be – check your transcoder profile
[11:49:00] TomM1: Linfast TV 2000 XP RM, needs modprobe bttv tuner=38
[11:49:00] juski: ugh.. analogue.. blech
[11:49:00] arnbak-: I expreienced the problem on my gentoo system, I needed to recompile it with mysql and qt in my use flags
[11:49:00] Freman: linfast? leadtek winfast...
[11:49:00] TomM1: yes
[11:50:00] Freman: that's my analog tuner (c:
[11:50:00] juski: only good til 2012 in the UK folks
[11:50:00] Freman: juski: I've got 8 channels of pay tv availible to me on analog, I'm milking it for all it's worth
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[11:51:00] juski: how much paytv is worth having though? I have about 150 channels I pay for... 90% of them are shite
[11:51:00] TomM1: Freeview's best
[11:52:00] juski: and with BBC3 you don't need a PVR ;-)
[11:52:00] Freman: juski: I aint paying for none of these
[11:52:00] juski: we need Sky One on Freeview :-)
[11:52:00] TomM1: yes
[11:52:00] TomM1: That would be good
[11:53:00] TomM1: there seems to be new channels appearing every now and then
[11:53:00] juski: TUTV loses more than half its mux slots this year.. they're gonna go under :-D
[11:53:00] TomM1: TUTV??
[11:54:00] juski: topup tv
[11:54:00] TomM1: oh
[11:54:00] dtm: what the heck is freeview, sky one, and topup tv
[11:54:00] dtm: what countries are these in
[11:54:00] juski: channel5 want to launch channels, so they're taking their mux slots back off topuptv :-)
[11:54:00] TomM1: UK, terrestial DV3 type
[11:54:00] juski: DVB-T
[11:56:00] TomM1: what libmysqlclient.so does mythtv use, what number?
[11:56:00] GreyFoxx: Myth doesn't, QT is the one that is linked to libmysqlclient
[11:56:00] TomM1: ok
[11:57:00] arnbak-: TomM1, depends on what version of mysql youre using.
[11:57:00] juski: GreyFoxx: played about last night... made a remote-ish mockup
[11:58:00] TomM1: ok, its a qt problem as ldd /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 | grep mysql is fruitless
[11:58:00] Freman: juski: this is what I get from mythbackend when I try to play hdtv – could this be a signal thing? or is it XvMC? http://pastebin.com/544646
[11:58:00] juski: Freman: on a text only interface today ;-)
[11:58:00] juski: back in a sec..
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[11:59:00] ** TomM1 goes to trolltech.com to download the qt sources **
[11:59:00] GreyFoxx: Juski sweet! :)
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[12:00:00] GreyFoxx: Juski sweet, I was goofing around with some Java Script for slider out menus and such, trying to come up with something that is fairly universal
[12:01:00] juski: looks almost photo-real.. well as close as I can get it anyway.. not sure how 3 button states will work
[12:01:00] GreyFoxx: Got a snapshot I can look at ?
[12:01:00] juski: also not sure about the amount of graphic files needed either – probably be best to draw the button legends over the top to cut the file count down
[12:02:00] juski: GreyFoxx: gimme a sec...
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[12:02:00] Freman: geh, I need to be more perticular in what I record
[12:02:00] TomM1: does mythtv support VBI?
[12:03:00] TomM1: teletext/cefax whatever
[12:03:00] TomM1: as a plugin or something like that
[12:03:00] GreyFoxx: tomimo: Yup, I believe so
[12:03:00] GreyFoxx: err TomM1 I meant
[12:03:00] TomM1: good
[12:03:00] TomM1: im so glad i switched to linux :)
[12:04:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[12:04:00] juski: I think teletext is only supported as far as subtitles
[12:05:00] GreyFoxx: I suppose. I always think of Closed Captioned info when I see someone mention SBI
[12:05:00] GreyFoxx: err VBI
[12:06:00] TomM1: what ./configure tags should i use for qt? just -qt-sql-mysql?
[12:06:00] juski: GreyFoxx: http://www.juski.co.uk/remote.png – some buttons are highlighted.. just testing out the active state ;-)
[12:06:00] Merlin83b: juski: You're not making a remote, are you?
[12:07:00] juski: shhh
[12:07:00] juski: just making pretty buttons ;-)
[12:08:00] GreyFoxx: TomM1: Add multi threaded and shared objects I think
[12:09:00] TomM1: that one? -shared ............ Create and use shared Qt libraries.
[12:09:00] ** Freman scratches up another 80 gig to throw into the jbod array **
[12:09:00] Merlin83b: You, sir, are a true hardware hacker.
[12:10:00] GreyFoxx: Nice, I'd say the buttons should be a little larger. Personally I'll be using this on a touch screen monitor :)
[12:10:00] GreyFoxx: the button colours look nice
[12:10:00] GreyFoxx: TomM1: Yup
[12:11:00] Merlin83b: I want to know what this remote thing is!
[12:11:00] TomM1: i cant find the mt one tho
[12:11:00] GreyFoxx: Merlin83b: A webbased mythfrontend remote/interface which will tie into the new telnet interface
[12:12:00] Merlin83b: Ooh, funky.
[12:12:00] GreyFoxx: Allowing you to use a touchdcreen monitor, or pda/whatever to control your box
[12:13:00] Freman: or odly enough... a remote!
[12:13:00] juski: bonus is that I reckon a decent PDA costs less than a full colour Pronto
[12:14:00] Merlin83b: Certainly an iPAQ off eBay does :-)
[12:14:00] Merlin83b: Plus does a lot more.
[12:15:00] GreyFoxx: I've been thinking of picking up an iPAQ/GPS combo for the car
[12:15:00] juski: they probably also cost less than touchscreen LCDs on their own
[12:15:00] TomM1: oh dear
[12:16:00] TomM1: MySQL support cannot be enabled due to functionality tests!
[12:16:00] TomM1: Turn on verbose messaging (-v) to ./configure to see the final report.
[12:16:00] TomM1: If you believe this message is in error you may use the continue
[12:16:00] TomM1: switch (-continue) to ./configure to continue.
[12:16:00] GreyFoxx: TomM1: Does your distro not supply a copy of QT ? Is that why you are manually compiling it ?
[12:17:00] TomM1: yes, but it dosent have MySQL in the disto QT
[12:17:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[12:17:00] GreyFoxx: out of curiousity, what distro ?
[12:17:00] TomM1: Slackware
[12:17:00] TomM1: verbose output:
[12:17:00] GreyFoxx: That is already there :)
[12:17:00] TomM1: mysql.cpp:1:19: mysql.h: No such file or directory
[12:17:00] TomM1: make: *** [mysql.o] Error 1
[12:17:00] TomM1: MySQL (thread-unsafe) disabled.
[12:17:00] TomM1: MySQL support cannot be enabled due to functionality tests!
[12:17:00] GreyFoxx: You just need to add a path to /etc/ld.so.conf
[12:17:00] GreyFoxx: <<-- Slackware user
[12:17:00] TomM1: i tried that
[12:18:00] GreyFoxx: The one that comes with it works fine, trust me
[12:18:00] TomM1: ldd to the qt libs proves it dosent link to libsqlclient
[12:18:00] GreyFoxx: it's dynamically loaded
[12:18:00] GreyFoxx: not directly linked
[12:18:00] TomM1: ok
[12:19:00] GreyFoxx: Add /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers
[12:19:00] GreyFoxx: to /etc/ld.so.conf
[12:19:00] TomM1: my current ld.so.conf
[12:19:00] TomM1: /usr/local/lib
[12:19:00] TomM1: /usr/X11R6/lib
[12:19:00] TomM1: /usr/i486-slackware-linux/lib
[12:19:00] TomM1: /opt/kde/lib
[12:19:00] TomM1: /usr/lib/qt/lib
[12:19:00] TomM1: /usr/lib/qt-3.2.1/plugins/sqldrivers/
[12:19:00] GreyFoxx: and verify that libmysqlclient is somewhere on that path
[12:19:00] GreyFoxx: ldconfig -v | grep sqlclient
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[12:20:00] TomM1: i take it that ld.conf isnt recursive
[12:20:00] TomM1: *ld.so.conf
[12:20:00] GreyFoxx: It's not
[12:20:00] TomM1: thats why then
[12:21:00] ** TomM1 updates shared library links. **
[12:21:00] GreyFoxx: In my case I added 2 entries . one for the sqldrivers directory, and one for the location of mysqlclient (/home/mysql/lib/mysql)
[12:21:00] TomM1: still dont work
[12:21:00] TomM1: same as before
[12:22:00] GreyFoxx: Trying to use MySQL 5 ?
[12:22:00] TomM1: yes, Your MySQL connection id is 3 to server version: 5.0.16
[12:22:00] TomM1: should i downgrade?
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: yup. The QT supplied by Slackware was compiled against the same version as they distribute, which is 4.0 or 4.1
[12:23:00] TomM1: ok
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: I can't remember exactly which offhand
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: gotta run, gotta drop the little one off at daycare
[12:23:00] GreyFoxx: good luck!
[12:24:00] TomM1: 4.1.14
[12:24:00] GreyFoxx: (FYI I run 4.0.2xx on my Slackware 10.1 boxes and 4.1.x on the 10.2 I think)
[12:24:00] TomM1: yes
[12:24:00] TomM1: im 10.2
[12:24:00] TomM1: thankyou for your help
[12:25:00] GreyFoxx: Slackware users gotta stick together against the unclean hordes of package only users ;)
[12:25:00] ** TomM1 adds mysql to the slapt-get ignore list **
[12:25:00] GreyFoxx: *p00f
[12:25:00] GreyFoxx: *
[12:32:00] ** TomM1 also adds mytht to the slapt-get exclude list so he can svn it. **
[12:38:00] ** TomM1 is back **
[12:38:00] ** TomM1 is back **
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[13:15:00] Freman: cross fingers for me, just scheduled my first digital recordings
[13:15:00] Freman: no hdtv yet... just digital
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[13:37:00] TomM1: i wish i had a dvb-t card
[13:41:00] Merlin83b: Buy one.
[13:41:00] Merlin83b: Wishing will get you nowhere.
[13:42:00] TomM1: is Leadtek DVT1000T Digital TV and Capture Card supported by linux?
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[13:57:00] adante: does anybody here use mythrename.pl?
[13:58:00] laga: i used it once or twice
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[14:15:00] rav3r: how do you determine your installed myth version?
[14:17:00] TomM1: your mouse isnt supposed to be visible in myth is it?
[14:18:00] rav3r: i think it is sometimes, like i can see it when i am over some fields
[14:18:00] TomM1: yes
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: tomimo: No
[14:18:00] TomM1: but not otherwise
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: It's intentionally turned off
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: you can reenabled it somewhere, but that just makes it visisible
[14:18:00] TomM1: gd, ive done myth-setup and mythfilldatabase
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: Myth is not designed to use a mouse and none of the widgets are clickable'
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: there is a setting in the frontend somewhere to stop myth from making the mouse invisible
[14:19:00] TomM1: if they were clickable, it would be best to have it timed
[14:19:00] TomM1: so it disappears after say 5sec mouse inactivity
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: But they aren't, so it's made invisible by default :)
[14:20:00] rav3r: is there a command that shows my verstion of myth?
[14:20:00] TomM1: exactly
[14:20:00] peep: has MythTV got LCD support nativelly, or do I have to compile with some -- ?
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: mythfrontend --version
[14:21:00] peep: if it has native support, where are the settings for it?
[14:21:00] GreyFoxx: if you are running SVN then just do a "svn info" in the source directory
[14:21:00] rav3r: ahh, two -
[14:21:00] GreyFoxx: peep: There is LCD support in there, but you might very well have to compile in the support for it
[14:22:00] rav3r: looks like i have version 0.103 of xmame, is that a problem?
[14:22:00] GreyFoxx: It is if you are running 0.18.x of myth
[14:22:00] TomM1: mythfilldatabase is producing lots of garbage: eg bad bit of cast list: at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 380.
[14:22:00] rav3r: i am!
[14:22:00] rav3r: that's why i'm getting the error...
[14:23:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: 0.18.x is tied to specific xmame versions
[14:23:00] GreyFoxx: that's not the case in SVN
[14:23:00] peep: GreyFoxx, ok. and there's no easy way of setting it up then? I yum'ed MythTV, any way to yum in the support? hehe
[14:23:00] GreyFoxx: peep: Not having and LCD I've never looked at it. I also don't use package mangers for my installs so I couldn't say :)
[14:24:00] afm: i've followed the "wilson" papers... i'm using a serial ir receiver. irrecord works, lircd starts with no errors, i have all my config files in the right place. irw doesn't show me pressing anything, but also shows no errors
[14:24:00] rav3r: keep hearing good things about the svn
[14:24:00] GreyFoxx: but it doesn't look like there is a compile flag that I can see, so I can't say for sure how to enable LCD support
[14:24:00] peep: ok, couldn't find any help from google. need to look somewhere else
[14:24:00] rav3r: is that like beta? something that will be official later?
[14:24:00] peep: ok
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: svn is the development code, it's the source control/repository. SVN is kind of like and improved cvs
[14:25:00] rav3r: yum install seems to want to install that same version of xmame. how can i get an older version that works with my myth?
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: so yes, it will become official
[14:25:00] TomM1: will my sound work? the tv card has a cable to aux and it turns it on only when video is being read
[14:25:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[14:25:00] ** GreyFoxx goes back to his meeting **
[14:26:00] rav3r: thanks
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[14:31:00] rav3r: i just got xmame-roms.noarch with yum, where does it put the roms?
[14:32:00] rav3r: locate found /var/cache/yum/freshrpms/packages/xmame-roms-1.0–1.fr.noarch.rpm and /var/cache/yum/freshrpms/headers/xmame-roms-1.0–1.fr.noarch.hdr
[14:32:00] juski: I didn't think they supplied the roms.. thought the user had to
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[14:34:00] rav3r: yum search xmame showed a package of free roms
[14:34:00] rav3r: i just don't know where it put them :)
[14:35:00] Merlin83b: What do you use to control xmame? Your remote?
[14:36:00] rav3r: i haven't gotten that far yet
[14:37:00] juski: mythgame is just another feature of mythtv I've never got to work that I'm not too bothered about
[14:37:00] Merlin83b: Me neither – don't even have it installed.
[14:37:00] Merlin83b: If it'll just install and work I might give it a go.
[14:37:00] juski: heh
[14:37:00] rav3r: that's what i am dealing with
[14:37:00] rav3r: i had the wrong version
[14:38:00] rav3r: jarod's guide uses yum for everything, and then said something about xmame just working
[14:38:00] rav3r: then i figure out that yum installs the current version of myth (18)
[14:39:00] rav3r: and a 103 version of xmame, the two don't work together
[14:40:00] Merlin83b: root@myth:~/mythtv/mythplugins/mythgame# xmame --version
[14:40:00] Merlin83b: xmame (x11) version 0.90 (Jan 22 2005)
[14:40:00] Merlin83b: Joy.
[14:40:00] Merlin83b: I guess I'll give that one a miss for now :-)
[14:41:00] juski: joy? sounds like working here :-/
[14:42:00] rav3r: you're good < v. 100
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[14:55:00] juski: sod this I'm going AWOL
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[14:55:00] TomM1: hello
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[14:57:00] TomM1: i have myth working more now, but when it starts, it says cannot open /dev/dsp and the tv tuner audio comes on and stays on even when myth is closed. tvtime works fine and the audio stops once it has closed. any ideas?
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[14:58:00] Merlin83b: 0.90 would seem to be quite old.
[14:59:00] rav3r: the docs say Start mythfrontend and navigate to Utilities/Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Game Settings > Game Players.
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[14:59:00] rav3r: but i don't have a media settings
[14:59:00] rav3r: is that the same as game settings/general settings?
[15:00:00] TomM1: i have myth working more now, but when it starts, it says cannot open /dev/dsp and the tv tuner audio comes on and stays on even when myth is closed. tvtime works fine and the audio stops once it has closed.
[15:01:00] Merlin83b: TomM1: No response generally means nobody knows. Posting exactly the same again doesn't help.
[15:01:00] rav3r: when i navigate to a game in mythgame, nothing happens. i've tried spacebar, enter and m
[15:02:00] TomM1: Merlin83b: Ok
[15:03:00] TomM1: if it helps its connected with a audio cable from the tv card to the sound card
[15:03:00] rav3r: TomM1, or, no one on right NOW knows. might have better luck at another time (keep googling while you wait)
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[15:04:00] rav3r: anyone know what button starts a game in myth?
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[15:20:00] afm: i need a lirc pro...this shit is driving me nuts...no errors, nothing to troubleshoot :)
[15:21:00] afm: what are the components of irw?
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[15:22:00] afm: lircd has to be running i've been told..and it is.. there is a /etc/lircd.conf file which is what it defaults to reading
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[15:37:00] afm: hrm...okie...tried using irrecord to create a new lircd.conf file...irrecord sees all the keys i press and then when i go to name the keys it says 'Something went wrong. Please try again."
[15:43:00] TomM1: how do you get to myth's teletext
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[15:53:00] rav3r: when i go to games, i can browse to all games / mame / 1981 / Maze/Digging, but can't seem to go any further? where are my games?
[15:53:00] rav3r: xmame Gridlee seems to work from the command line
[15:54:00] laga: TomM1: where are you located?
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[16:00:00] TomM1: laga: UK
[16:00:00] Merlin83b: In M1, by any chance?
[16:00:00] laga: TomM1: so that's PAL telext? not sure if that's supported yet :/
[16:01:00] TomM1: well one version of kde made vbi + teletext work but tv didnt and another make telexext and vbi broken and tv working. i may try freevo in a min
[16:02:00] rav3r: is there anyplace else i need to put the path to my roms other then "MAME ROM location"?
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[16:07:00] TomM1: ok, freevo seems unsuitable for my needs
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[16:09:00] jnunez: rav3r: it's best if you run MythFrontend in a window and open it from a shell. That way you can see the lines used.
[16:10:00] jnunez: let me check what I did to fix this
[16:11:00] rav3r: i have the shell up
[16:13:00] TomM1: is it possible to watch tv in xine?
[16:13:00] TomM1: you can watch dvb but what about v4l
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[16:15:00] poser: I had a .vob file resulting from mythtranscode, used transcode to try and condense it a little bit
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[16:15:00] poser: resulting from the transcode was a .avi and a .mp3 file. what should I use to join together?
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[16:18:00] rav3r: ah, there it is:
[16:18:00] rav3r: If the rom scan didn't detect any roms make sure your history and high score settings point to FILES not directories.
[16:18:00] rav3r: but i have the history and highscore files
[16:18:00] rav3r: and the highscore directory
[16:19:00] rav3r: i got them from http://www.mameworld.net/highscore/
[16:21:00] juski: one thing for sure – none of my hiscores will be in there ;-)
[16:22:00] rav3r: lol
[16:22:00] rav3r: but are those files ok to use? are they what's messing me up?
[16:22:00] rav3r: where else can i get them?
[16:25:00] TomM1: intresting. a google search for linux tv, produces the dvb maintainers, then tvtime and then mythtv
[16:25:00] TomM1: you would of thought myth would come first
[16:25:00] laga: try 'linux pvr'
[16:27:00] juski: "teletext.. Huh! what is it good for? (absolutely nothin)"
[16:27:00] rav3r: im i missing something obvious?
[16:27:00] laga: mythbrowser is better anyways :)
[16:27:00] juski: mheg will be nice to have though
[16:27:00] TomM1: myth first hit, freevo not on first 5
[16:28:00] juski: wonder why that is.. something about deprecation perhaps?
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[16:32:00] afm: irrecord only worked with my hauppauge remote in raw mode...any idea why?
[16:33:00] rav3r: ok, i think my catver.ini might be wrong. where are you supposed to get the catver.ini?
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[16:35:00] juski: afm: I suppose it depends on what receiver you have
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[16:46:00] Lau_: Hi all, im having trouble streaming livetv from the backend. All works fine but the audio/video is out of sync
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[16:47:00] Lau_: i've already tried to increase the ringbuffer size but no luck
[16:55:00] scopeuk: ok im doign it im setting up my back end quick question how good is knopp myth with smb shares?
[16:56:00] scopeuk: think i damaged my disc to omuch
[16:56:00] scopeuk: its spiting millions of erros at me
[16:56:00] scopeuk: tiem for a new cd me things
[16:57:00] scopeuk: thinks*
[16:58:00] Lau_: well is samba installed on knoppmyth?
[16:58:00] scopeuk: knopp will be client
[16:58:00] scopeuk: and i have no idea
[16:59:00] Lau_: does smbpasswd exist on your system?
[16:59:00] scopeuk: no there un protected shares
[16:59:00] Lau_: ok, but weĺl have to determine weather you habe samba installed or not ;)
[17:00:00] Lau_: so if smbpasswd or nmbd exist or smbd than you have samba installed
[17:00:00] scopeuk: its not confgured yet so i havent a clue
[17:00:00] Lau_: try: updatedb;locate smbd
[17:00:00] scopeuk: ifit dont have it i will apt-get it
[17:00:00] Lau_: ok
[17:00:00] scopeuk: i gotta get it installed first
[17:00:00] Lau_: and 2. do u have smb filesystem in your kernel enabled?
[17:01:00] scopeuk: like i say its knopp myth its a pre built distro so i have o idea
[17:01:00] Lau_: sorry can't help u any futher i don't use knoppmyth
[17:02:00] scopeuk: itsnp
[17:02:00] scopeuk: i was kinda hoping someone ere whould use it and samba
[17:04:00] scopeuk: always interesting how knoppix detects firewire on all my computers
[17:04:00] scopeuk: none of them have it
[17:04:00] scopeuk: yes it has smb yay
[17:13:00] scopeuk: any one knwo why knopp myth decides all my drives are read only
[17:13:00] scopeuk: even does it in qemu
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[17:17:00] TomM1: does anyone know of a simple program for recording video from vhl and audio from aux
[17:26:00] scopeuk: problem fixed dumb user syndrom
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[17:32:00] scopeuk: althguh i stil lmanaged to get setup to lock :-p
[17:33:00] scopeuk: damn it im getting seg faults at boot
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[17:35:00] scopeuk: this is pree install
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[17:48:00] scopeuk: yay boot without a seg fault
[17:48:00] scopeuk: :-p
[17:49:00] scopeuk: oh bugger it jsut seg faulted on formating
[17:51:00] coffee88: scopeuk: dodgy memory?
[17:51:00] scopeuk: quite likely
[17:51:00] scopeuk: im gonan mem test it this time
[17:53:00] scopeuk: this is knopmyth for anyone who may be able to help
[17:53:00] scopeuk: its donte it with 2 diferent cd's of dferent manufactures the images works perfectly in qemu
[17:54:00] scopeuk: +and here coem the erros
[17:54:00] scopeuk: 306 and counting
[17:54:00] scopeuk: 1500
[17:54:00] scopeuk: 2100
[17:54:00] scopeuk: 3100
[17:55:00] scopeuk: think the memory isscrewed
[17:55:00] laga: so is your spelling ://
[17:55:00] scopeuk: yes acknolages
[17:55:00] coffee88: scopeuk: You think? Or maybe bios settings are wrong for it? Stabbing in the dark....
[17:55:00] scopeuk: ok at 10% of a pass i have 3896 erros i guess that means the memory has had it
[17:56:00] laga: check the memory timing settings
[17:56:00] scopeuk: possibly i jsut pulled together a lod of scrap to see if i could build a workign system
[17:56:00] scopeuk: il lsee if i can find em
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[17:58:00] scopeuk: i cant find any memory timing options
[17:58:00] scopeuk: this is a 433 with sd ram
[18:00:00] laga: 66mhz front side bus?
[18:00:00] scopeuk: id assume so i know the ram is 133
[18:00:00] laga: what kind of cpu? celeron?
[18:00:00] scopeuk: its a celeron yes
[18:01:00] scopeuk: its an intel chipset mobo
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[18:02:00] scopeuk: 64 meg of ram isent enough is it?
[18:02:00] laga: shouldn't be 133mhz then, that sounds overclocked. fsb should be set to 66mhz. you could try lowering it further to see if it makes things more stable, but i doubt that's possible – and it'd likely fsck with the frequency of the pci bus
[18:02:00] scopeuk: becouse i have a know working stick of that around here
[18:02:00] scopeuk: its not touched
[18:02:00] laga: well, if it's broken, it's not better than 0mb :)
[18:02:00] laga: what kind of capture card do you have, btw?
[18:03:00] scopeuk: its runnign al defaults the memory is capeable of running at 133mhz
[18:03:00] scopeuk: ive got an old haupage frame grabber
[18:03:00] laga: well, that should work then
[18:03:00] laga: frame grabber card on a celeron 433mhz? have fun...
[18:03:00] scopeuk: yeh i know im a lunatic
[18:03:00] laga: hehe
[18:04:00] laga: sorry, i've got to go now, ttyl
[18:04:00] scopeuk: see you later
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[18:13:00] scopeuk: ok i think this memory is duff its at 59% on mem test and i have 70644 erros
[18:16:00] kormoc: scopeuk, start testing it one stick at a time, in different slots.
[18:16:00] scopeuk: that is one stick
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[18:17:00] scopeuk: its at 78% now with 98424 errors
[18:17:00] kormoc: scopeuk, check it in a different slot at least, as it could be the slot is bad or it's not seated right
[18:17:00] dmz: hey y'all, quick question about multiple back-ends...when setting up a slave, does it store it's recordings locally or will the master stream it to itself & store locally?
[18:17:00] scopeuk: possibly its under a whole load of cable very awkward
[18:17:00] GreyFoxx: dmz: It will store it locally
[18:17:00] kormoc: dmz, slave local that is
[18:17:00] dmz: GreyFoxx, thanks
[18:17:00] GreyFoxx: of course you could have that "local" directory actually be a smb or nfs mount on another box or on the master itself
[18:17:00] dmz: hmm that does make it interesting then when it comes to allocating storage
[18:18:00] GreyFoxx: many people just store both master and slave to the same place
[18:18:00] dmz: and the file names used for recordings...if there are 2 recordings @ exact same time there won't be overlap with naming?
[18:18:00] ** dmz goes to compile ivtv **
[18:18:00] GreyFoxx: the filename includes the channel id, not just starttime
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[18:18:00] dmz: ahh, cool
[18:19:00] GreyFoxx: some keep their storage seperate, but many just use a shared storage directory
[18:19:00] GreyFoxx: with one or both backends using a network file system
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[18:22:00] dmz: i'll sync backend storage once I get it built, until then both machines have separate 300g disks
[18:22:00] dmz: :)
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[18:25:00] scopeuk: thats alot of storage
[18:25:00] jasta: is it?
[18:25:00] kormoc: not really
[18:26:00] scopeuk: 600g
[18:26:00] scopeuk: is by my measure
[18:26:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: heh, it's easier to fill than you might think :)
[18:26:00] kormoc: I recall someone in here having 2 TB or so.
[18:26:00] jasta: hdb: 586072368 sectors (300069 MB) w/8192KiB Cache
[18:26:00] jasta: hdc: 586114704 sectors (300090 MB) w/16384KiB Cache
[18:26:00] jasta: hdd: 586072368 sectors (300069 MB) w/8192KiB Cache
[18:26:00] jasta: :)
[18:26:00] kormoc: I have just slightly under 1 TB myself.
[18:26:00] GreyFoxx: I'm running a 1TB now, by end of summer I'll have built a new array with 2 TB
[18:26:00] scopeuk: i have about 240 gig total
[18:26:00] jasta: I'm going to be buying another 300GB as well.
[18:26:00] scopeuk: over all the systems
[18:27:00] scopeuk: 200 of that is between mine and the family system
[18:27:00] jasta: My network has a physical capacity of about 1.8tB
[18:27:00] ** kormoc remembers the days when he thought 1 TB was more then anyone ever would need **
[18:27:00] scopeuk: jsut wish i could afford it
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:27:00] mlehrer: i have 750 in a raid 5, 200 in a raid 0, and another 160
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: $160 CDN for a 320G drive last I checked. That's without any sale or rebate
[18:27:00] scopeuk: so many people with extream stupid storage levels
[18:27:00] jasta: mlehrer: 3 300GB in a RAID5 here :)
[18:28:00] scopeuk: any one here usign fiber chanel iscsi
[18:28:00] jasta: scopeuk: I am at 74% used.
[18:28:00] mlehrer: scopeuk: about 90% full too heh
[18:28:00] scopeuk: ouch
[18:28:00] mlehrer: scopeuk: an EMC SAN would be a good option maybe
[18:28:00] scopeuk: im at 86% ful on my box
[18:28:00] jasta: scopeuk: There's a reason I have a myth box upstairs.
[18:28:00] mlehrer: hdtv + ripping dvd's use a lot of space
[18:28:00] scopeuk: yup
[18:29:00] scopeuk: i have an internton to start doign this sort of cool stuff once i get a job
[18:29:00] mlehrer: i've been saving the raw atsc & isos so far though, lots of room to compress
[18:29:00] scopeuk: but atm its beyond my funds
[18:29:00] jasta: About 180 movies, a few months (duration-wise) worth of music, and about 800 TV episodes :)
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[18:29:00] kormoc: hehe
[18:29:00] scopeuk: ill be running about a week time shift when (more like if) i get this working
[18:29:00] xpis: Sure storage is cheap – but drives need replaced when their warranty runs out. Think of storage as a yearly fee.
[18:30:00] xpis: (if your data is of any importance, that is)
[18:30:00] alpha_geek: is there anyone in the UK that has problems with the listings for BBC 3 and BBC 4?
[18:30:00] scopeuk: wow just short of 100k errors on my ram and the 32 meg i have spare wont be nearly enough
[18:30:00] GreyFoxx: xpis: cycling out drives is one thing, but there is no requirement to replace them :) And these days all drives are 3–5 years
[18:30:00] kormoc: scopeuk, is this for just a backend or a backend/frontend?
[18:30:00] scopeuk: just back end
[18:31:00] jasta: xpis: Which is cheap.
[18:31:00] jasta: xpis: I bought 3 300GB drives for $115 a piece.
[18:31:00] jasta: I figure I'll replace 1 of those drives every 2 years.
[18:31:00] kormoc: scopeuk, you should just buy a 256 meg stick, they are dirt cheap
[18:31:00] alpha_geek: GreyFoxx: thanks for the advice on channel colour couple of days ago, it worked a treat
[18:31:00] jasta: which will probably be $70 by then.
[18:31:00] GreyFoxx: alpha_geek: Cool
[18:32:00] jasta: I'm considering an extra IDE controller in my server and going balls out with RAID6 :)
[18:32:00] jasta: Push myself nearer to 2 full terabytes on the server alone.
[18:32:00] ** jasta does _NOT_ like deleting data ;) **
[18:32:00] alpha_geek: raid6????
[18:32:00] xpis: Unless you have redunant RAID, you will lose data when one dies. Your 2003 HD CSI recordings (or whatever people are recording) might disappear in a click of death.
[18:32:00] GreyFoxx: alpha_geek: raid 5 with double parity
[18:32:00] alpha_geek: cool
[18:32:00] GreyFoxx: so you can loose 2 drives and still be running
[18:32:00] alpha_geek: nice one
[18:33:00] jasta: xpis: RAID5 is redundant, which is what I use.
[18:33:00] alpha_geek: yeah i use 5
[18:33:00] scopeuk: ok im gonan cheack its sat right then ill fall back
[18:33:00] xpis: jasta: so drive failures will only cause you downtime, no loss.
[18:33:00] scopeuk: thinking bout it i may have a 256 stick round here somewhere
[18:33:00] jasta: xpis: That's the plan.
[18:33:00] ** scopeuk will be back soon **
[18:33:00] GreyFoxx: I always assume RAID in an array. I forget that people use LVM only
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[18:34:00] Yellow-Snow: lol what do u know? DSL guy left the package
[18:34:00] jasta: GreyFoxx: I use software RAID5 via EVMS.
[18:34:00] alpha_geek: i had a logical volume under windows and i endded up losing 100gig of video, i was not happy
[18:34:00] scopeuk: i use an ide disc
[18:34:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: I didn't know packages came via DSL.
[18:34:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, honestly, I just don't care if I lose my tv
[18:34:00] GreyFoxx: I generally just use linux software raid5 for "most" raids I've setup
[18:34:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: DHL delivers them, though :P
[18:35:00] alpha_geek: i have an ide pci adapter
[18:35:00] mlehrer: alpha_geek: of course you know the obvious answer to that
[18:35:00] mlehrer: i use an old 3ware raid controller (7810)
[18:35:00] mlehrer: ide disks
[18:35:00] alpha_geek: mlehrer: the leson was learnt
[18:35:00] kormoc: anyone wanna buy a old 3ware controler? a 7006–2? :P
[18:35:00] mlehrer: alpha_geek: so you wiped windows from every box you have
[18:35:00] mlehrer: kormoc: heh
[18:35:00] mlehrer: ebay
[18:36:00] kormoc: mlehrer, hehe, lazy and ebay costs money :)
[18:36:00] kormoc: mlehrer, but yeah, gonna do that one of these days
[18:36:00] alpha_geek: i actualy managed to get a 200gig sata drive from work yesterday, but i do not have sata on my mythserver, and i knoppmyth had problems with sata before
[18:36:00] alpha_geek: seems a waste to put it im my desktop where i wont use it
[18:37:00] xpis: alpha_geek: No sata on your motherboard, or you can't make it work with linux?
[18:37:00] alpha_geek: mlehrer: yes, i went from a 7 server, 4 client windows network, to a 2 server 3 client linux network
[18:38:00] alpha_geek: xpis: not on mb
[18:39:00] alpha_geek: mlehrer: I do still have a dule boot on my laptop, and a Virtual machine on my desktop, and I still work with windows at work
[18:47:00] Yellow-Snow: hey whats the best way to position cards on a mother board? spaced out? all i have is a graphic card/sound/ethernet/pvr-150
[18:47:00] scopeuk: avoind pci directly below agp
[18:47:00] scopeuk: alot of mobos share an irq between em
[18:50:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, space them out
[18:50:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, if for nothing else other then heat issues
[18:51:00] scopeuk: well at least the 32 meg stick passes mem test
[18:51:00] scopeuk: now to get into knoppmyth without a seg fault wish me luck
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[18:54:00] Yellow-Snow2: anything else? i just dropped
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[18:55:00] Yellow-Snow2: whats the point of the plastic things that hold the mother board on?
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[18:57:00] sammylin2: hellp
[18:57:00] sammylin2: hello
[18:57:00] sammylin2: Couldn't read file: rbuf://192.168.1.105:6543/mnt/store/liveTV/ringbuf1.nuv
[18:57:00] sammylin2: can anyone here help me out wit that?
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[18:59:00] meushi: Yellow-Snow2: the plastic spacers? insulation from the frame
[19:00:00] Yellow-Snow2: then why do they have screws also
[19:00:00] Yellow-Snow2: why not all plastic?
[19:01:00] meushi: Yellow-Snow2: very good question... on my last mobo, they were brass with plastic at the contact points
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[19:02:00] Yellow-Snow2: damn this shit fits like a glove
[19:03:00] scopeuk: yay i found some more ram
[19:03:00] scopeuk: 2 64 meg sticks
[19:03:00] scopeuk: :D
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[19:04:00] scopeuk: and i now also know hwy i dont se matx cases when i buiild computers
[19:04:00] scopeuk: sure there cute but removign the psu to fit ram is no fun
[19:13:00] Yellow-Snow2: hhhmm
[19:13:00] Yellow-Snow2: now i wonder if my dvd player will work w/ this case
[19:13:00] Yellow-Snow2: hhmmmm
[19:14:00] laga: anyone got a sample command line for xine? that'd rock :)
[19:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: i do
[19:14:00] Yellow-Snow2: xine -pfhq --no-splash %s
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[19:14:00] laga: Yellow-Snow2: thanks, you made my evening :)
[19:15:00] Yellow-Snow2: i got that from some guy for the future.. tho i haven't been able to set it up yet =\
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[19:15:00] laga: :)
[19:16:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: :/ i can't do PMs because i'm not registered at freenode :/
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[19:16:00] laga_: wait a sec, i'm gonna fix that now.
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[19:19:00] Xi-: Hello
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[19:21:00] gardengnome: re
[19:23:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[19:23:00] Yellow-Snow: i love how u can't screw in your cd rom
[19:23:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:23:00] Yellow-Snow: ..
[19:24:00] sammylin2: anyone here got firewire working?
[19:24:00] sammylin2: from a HDTV settop?
[19:25:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, why wouldn't you be able to screw in your cdrom drive?
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: no holes!
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: want me to take a pic?
[19:25:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:25:00] scopeuk: ive never seen oin without holes
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: . yea
[19:25:00] kormoc: yeah... sounds very odd
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: it has like prongs
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: this case is very strange
[19:25:00] scopeuk: its quicker
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: it has a door on it that covers the cd rom
[19:25:00] Yellow-Snow: so it dosent matter the color
[19:25:00] scopeuk: ive seen some very weird drive securings
[19:26:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c the button on the case matches up w/ the cd rom buttom
[19:26:00] Yellow-Snow: problem is.. my dvd playder dosent use a tray.. u just slide the dvd in
[19:26:00] scopeuk: yeh ive seen cases lkiek that
[19:26:00] Yellow-Snow: which is amainz
[19:26:00] scopeuk: bit of tape youll be fine
[19:26:00] Yellow-Snow: but now that i think about it
[19:26:00] Yellow-Snow: to put a dvd in
[19:26:00] scopeuk: there is somethign to be said for fortward planning
[19:27:00] Yellow-Snow: lol its cool b/c like im going to get a dvd burner/player
[19:27:00] Yellow-Snow: in the future
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[19:28:00] Yellow-Snow: hm shall i go drilling?
[19:29:00] scopeuk: though you said it had prongs instead?
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: um.. the cd rom dsoent
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: case does
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: oh wait
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: it comes w/ the case
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: LMAO
[19:29:00] scopeuk: surely the progs go into the screw holes on the drive
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: score!
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[19:29:00] Yellow-Snow: i didnt see them
[19:29:00] scopeuk: lol
[19:30:00] scopeuk: theres a word ofor situations like this what is it ????
[19:30:00] Yellow-Snow: happy?
[19:30:00] Yellow-Snow: t.t
[19:30:00] scopeuk: lol
[19:30:00] Xi-: Does anyone know if you can use a windows media center remote with MythTV?
[19:30:00] scopeuk: i was proably thinking of somethign more offensive but that will do nicely
[19:30:00] rav3r: i finally got mythgame working, but when i play a game in myth, it is REALLY sluggish. but, when i launch the game from command line it come up in a little window and plays fine, any fix for this?
[19:32:00] scopeuk: knoppmyth rearly isent liking this syetem
[19:32:00] scopeuk: it gets almost fully instlled then tells me its the wrong file system
[19:32:00] scopeuk: it formated it
[19:32:00] rav3r: Xi-my remote is MCE, came with my pvr 150 card, controls myth fine
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: um um
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: these things wont fit
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: wtf
[19:33:00] rav3r: it's the included blaster i can't seem to get working
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: no wait i bend them
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: who ever thought i needed an instruction manual
[19:33:00] Yellow-Snow: for a damn case
[19:33:00] scopeuk: i need the instructiosn to find the screws on mine
[19:33:00] scopeuk: you have to litraly rip the front off
[19:33:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, the people who wrote the manual and put it in the box with the case?
[19:34:00] Xi-: Nice... I got a laptop with MCE pre-installed, but I don't really like it too much... But I just had a nasty thought, MythTV won't be able to see an NTFS partition will it?
[19:34:00] Yellow-Snow: no there is none
[19:34:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[19:34:00] kormoc: Xi-, see, sure, write, maybe, but do it well, not really
[19:34:00] scopeuk: if you build kernal with ntfs support or use the ntfs fuse
[19:35:00] Xi-: Cool, if it will play music from it then I am happy ^_^
[19:35:00] Xi-: as that is the main thing I use it for
[19:36:00] Xi-: I was planning on using knoppmyth as I'm not too hot with linux at all really...
[19:36:00] Xi-: ^^;
[19:37:00] Yellow-Snow: Xi- well
[19:37:00] Yellow-Snow: when u install it
[19:38:00] Yellow-Snow: i can show u a bunch of things if you are really bad
[19:38:00] Xi-: Cool, thanks =D
[19:39:00] Xi-: I just can't stand MCE anymore, it sucks....
[19:39:00] Yellow-Snow: MCE?
[19:40:00] gardengnome: windows MCE – media center edition
[19:40:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[19:40:00] Yellow-Snow: why not?
[19:40:00] meushi: Yellow-Snow: buggy clone of myth, with "features" like DRM
[19:40:00] kormoc: meushi, not really a clone...
[19:40:00] gardengnome: 'clone' implies that they had been copying ;)
[19:40:00] meushi: I know :)
[19:40:00] Xi-: I really don't like the fact that there is no way to browse music by folder hirachy rather than artist and album tags
[19:41:00] Yellow-Snow: have u tried BG-PVR?
[19:41:00] kormoc: Xi-, mythmusic isn't much better...
[19:41:00] Yellow-Snow: have u tried GB-PVR?
[19:41:00] Xi-: I wasn't aware of it....
[19:41:00] Yellow-Snow: google it
[19:41:00] alpha_geek: can anyone tell me what the xmltv id(s) are for bbc 3 and 4 in the uk, I can't seem to find settings that work
[19:41:00] Yellow-Snow: its easy.. and simple.. but its buggy
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[19:41:00] Yellow-Snow: tho it uses windows drivers so it might record better
[19:42:00] Yellow-Snow: tho in the long run.. imo im gana enjoy mythtv more
[19:42:00] Yellow-Snow: and imo its stable.. tho i hear different from others
[19:42:00] Xi-: Thanks Yellow-Snow, this looks interesting...
[19:42:00] Yellow-Snow: n/p
[19:43:00] Yellow-Snow: i installed it on this comp just to look at it
[19:43:00] Yellow-Snow: its cool but idk.. i would rather be able to edit the pvr and have it set exactly how i want even if its hard to do
[19:43:00] Yellow-Snow: + mythtv is going to update faster
[19:44:00] scopeuk: is it normal for knoppmyth to make people to suffer
[19:44:00] Xi-: Thing is I don't really use the TV part of my laptop so much, I use it more for listening to music and having a visualisation on the TV or watchin video files
[19:44:00] Yellow-Snow: ?
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[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: scopeuk?
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: does anyone have the lang packs installed?
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.coupden.com/
[19:45:00] scopeuk: myth just decided that hda4 is not a valid block device and it cant mount it to format it
[19:45:00] kormoc: Xi-, remember, linux and laptops are a bit... hit or miss
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: someone find me a instruction manual
[19:45:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, find it yourself
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: i saw the link
[19:45:00] kormoc: :P
[19:45:00] Yellow-Snow: to enlgish
[19:47:00] Yellow-Snow: arg i really need an instruction manual
[19:47:00] scopeuk: this box is gonan become a football very shrotly
[19:49:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[19:49:00] Yellow-Snow: do i slide in the things that go on the cd rom first?
[19:49:00] Yellow-Snow: then the cd rom?
[19:51:00] kormoc: no
[19:51:00] kormoc: put them on the cdrom
[19:51:00] kormoc: and slide it in together
[19:51:00] Yellow-Snow: thats the thing
[19:51:00] Yellow-Snow: it wont fit
[19:51:00] rav3r: anyone know why my game is soooooooo slugish in mythgame?
[19:51:00] Yellow-Snow: its that snug these things wont work
[19:51:00] rav3r: it's not playable
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: All myth game is, is a menu wrapper that runs the emulator. It has nothing to do with how well it plays on your system
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: either your system can't handle it, the emulator can't handle it, or maybe it's not using a fast output method and it's chewing CPU scaling to fullscreen
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[19:53:00] visit0r: hi, anyone running nuvexport on ubuntu breezy? which packages I need installed in order to get xvid export working?
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[19:54:00] Yellow-Snow: i really dont undersand how to put this cd om in here =\\
[19:54:00] scopeuk: have you tried thingys into case then fit cd
[19:54:00] scopeuk: or better yet take a photo and give us a link
[19:54:00] rav3r: GreyFoxx: that's what i am not sure about, because if i run command line, even with full screen, it is faster. i don't know what myth is doing
[19:55:00] Yellow-Snow: aight scopeuk
[19:55:00] Yellow-Snow: pic 1 sewc
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: Then myth is specifying something on the commandline that is adversely affecting you, you have to look through the various settings to figure out what it might be
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: mythgame exposes the full commandline that will be used to the user, the old way was to use menus and they didn't let you "customize" the commandline much
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: err svn mythgame exposes I meant
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[19:58:00] ** gardengnome throws 'your version of xmame is not supported' nag screens at GreyFoxx **
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: Ihated those screens, hence why I got rid of them :)
[19:58:00] rav3r: ah
[19:58:00] rav3r: curses, svn
[19:58:00] gardengnome: hehe :)
[19:58:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.members.cox.net/danielarbour/DSC00530.JPG
[19:58:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.members.cox.net/danielarbour/DSC00531.JPG
[19:58:00] rav3r: i keep hearing more good things about it
[19:59:00] rav3r: but i'm afraid to start over
[19:59:00] gardengnome: rav3r: just wait for 0.19, it should be out soon
[19:59:00] scopeuk: ok im geting the error "eror: formatting of /dev/hda4 failed. some messages from mkfs.ext3: mke2fs 1.36 (05-feb-2005) mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size"
[19:59:00] scopeuk: can any one help with that
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[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: upgrading should be trivial
[19:59:00] Yellow-Snow: scopeuk u see the pics?
[20:00:00] scopeuk: yeh
[20:00:00] scopeuk: you are tryign to fslide it in from the front right?
[20:00:00] scopeuk: with the gap facing towards the case
[20:00:00] scopeuk: eg flat side to the drive
[20:00:00] Yellow-Snow: yes i bent the ends
[20:01:00] Yellow-Snow: but the thing is.. .. u see how the other side comes out?
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[20:01:00] scopeuk: was jsut how it was layed out
[20:01:00] Yellow-Snow: that wont fit if i try to slide it in
[20:01:00] Yellow-Snow: no just showing different options and what it looks like
[20:01:00] scopeuk: humm
[20:01:00] Yellow-Snow: i have 4 of those metal things.. and 2 are the same and so are another 2
[20:01:00] Yellow-Snow: so it has to be left side and right side
[20:02:00] rav3r: gardengnome thanks, i wait
[20:02:00] Yellow-Snow: im not sure where it goes
[20:02:00] Yellow-Snow: and whats the indentions in the case>
[20:02:00] scopeuk: those bars mount to your drive
[20:02:00] scopeuk: then you slide the lot in
[20:02:00] Yellow-Snow: w/ the metal bars?
[20:02:00] scopeuk: and the clipy bit goes towards the front not the back
[20:02:00] scopeuk: yes bars to drive then put the whole lot in
[20:02:00] scopeuk: should jsut slide in trom the front of the case/stel frame
[20:03:00] scopeuk: on one of my firiends we ad to remove the face plate from the front ofthe case to fit the drives
[20:03:00] Yellow-Snow: hm it wont work from the front unless i take off the font plate
[20:03:00] scopeuk: yeh you probably have too
[20:03:00] Chutt: wow.
[20:03:00] Chutt: just.. wow.
[20:03:00] scopeuk: ?
[20:03:00] Yellow-Snow: gd i need instructions
[20:04:00] Chutt: how the hell can you not figure out how to mount a cdrom?
[20:04:00] Yellow-Snow: dude trust me
[20:04:00] laga: Chutt: don't spoil the fun. :)
[20:04:00] Yellow-Snow: its that that easy ..
[20:04:00] Chutt: sure it is.
[20:04:00] Yellow-Snow: chutt wana lok at the pics?
[20:04:00] Yellow-Snow: and tell me exactly how to do it?
[20:04:00] Chutt: yes, i did
[20:04:00] Chutt: those are standard rails.
[20:04:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c its so tight u cant just add the metal and slide it in
[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: i c
[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: front cmoes off
[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: and there are groves
[20:05:00] scopeuk: yes
[20:05:00] scopeuk: i said that a short while ago
[20:05:00] Chutt: i'm sorry, but there are minimum requirements for support in this channel.
[20:05:00] scopeuk: thats how most/all rails work
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[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: oh only rails i worked w/
[20:05:00] Yellow-Snow: was dell
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: sorry i dont work on everyone's computer
[20:06:00] scopeuk: not a problem with me
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: my old 92 tower case is still here
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[20:06:00] scopeuk: others will form there own oppinions
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[20:06:00] scopeuk: old towers rule
[20:06:00] scopeuk: full tower == what you want micro atx is crap
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: yea i have full tower
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: this case is um...
[20:06:00] mlehrer: microatx rocks but just don't change your hardware too often
[20:06:00] Yellow-Snow: is it micro?
[20:07:00] Yellow-Snow: mb has 6 pci slots
[20:07:00] Chutt: anyway, cut the off topic crap.
[20:07:00] mlehrer: Silverstone LC11B
[20:07:00] scopeuk: do knoppmyth ave a channel?
[20:08:00] Chutt: of course it does.
[20:08:00] scopeuk: is it on this network if so what is it
[20:08:00] scopeuk: there installer jsut isent working at all
[20:08:00] Yellow-Snow: why not scopeuk
[20:08:00] Yellow-Snow: what problem?
[20:08:00] scopeuk: eitehr manual install it dies when attempting to format /mount the drive
[20:08:00] Chutt: uh, #knoppmyth, i believe.
[20:09:00] scopeuk: or auto isntall it dies when trying tomount partition 4
[20:09:00] scopeuk: im geting the error "eror: formatting of /dev/hda4 failed. some messages from mkfs.ext3: mke2fs 1.36 (05-feb-2005) mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size" from auto install
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[20:10:00] Yellow-Snow: knoppmyth channel is best
[20:10:00] Yellow-Snow: or forume
[20:10:00] Yellow-Snow: forum b/c i have no clue
[20:11:00] scopeuk: im in there channel atm
[20:11:00] scopeuk: think i interupted a conversation
[20:11:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[20:11:00] Yellow-Snow: nice
[20:11:00] laga: yep.
[20:11:00] laga: :)
[20:11:00] scopeuk: ill see if any one gives a damn about a new user/atemted user in there
[20:11:00] scopeuk: im keeping that eror in my clipboard theres no chance im typing that again
[20:12:00] laga: scopeuk: are you sure the HDD is good?
[20:12:00] scopeuk: shortly im gonan give up install 98 and use some windows pvr software
[20:12:00] scopeuk: as far as i know the hdd is good but imnot certain
[20:12:00] Yellow-Snow: holy shit this thing is tight as a ...
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[20:12:00] scopeuk: if it wasent it whould rattle
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: na
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: my main hd
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: nothing is screwed in
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: hd is standing up in the case
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: ect
[20:13:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
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[20:14:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[20:14:00] Yellow-Snow: it would be cool
[20:14:00] Yellow-Snow: if this fit!
[20:15:00] Yellow-Snow: um wow
[20:16:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m
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[20:19:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[20:19:00] Yellow-Snow: rails go at bottom of the rom
[20:19:00] Yellow-Snow: er lip
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[20:22:00] danieldk_: so how do one get xine to play .vob files with menus straight from the hd?
[20:22:00] mlehrer: not sure about xine, i use vlc
[20:22:00] mlehrer: vlc dvd://....
[20:23:00] mlehrer: where .... is the directory where dvdbackup wrote the files
[20:23:00] danieldk_: okay – i can get isos and imgs to work no prob.. unfortunately minimyth does not have vlc only mplayer and xine
[20:24:00] afm: how to i make it so i dont have to press a button twice? just make double entried in the lircd.conf?
[20:24:00] Yellow-Snow: oh man
[20:24:00] Yellow-Snow: now to install the power supply
[20:24:00] quacker: danieldk_, xine 'open' works fine to play .VOB but I don't know abhout geting the menus to work
[20:25:00] danieldk_: quacker: actually xine will play a vob by just doing "xine <path to vob-file"
[20:25:00] quacker: You'd probably have to copy the image of the DVD to an .ISO image file and mount it with the isomount utilitiy. Personally, I just drop and drag things to xine and don't care about menus
[20:26:00] scopeuk: ill try a diferent hdd in my myht box tomoz
[20:26:00] quacker: danieldk_, if you know the answers, what are you asking then?
[20:26:00] ** quacker scratches his head **
[20:27:00] danieldk_: quacker: xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd:/%s/ <- will play isos without mounting them
[20:27:00] danieldk_: quacker: because i cannot get the dvd menus working
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[20:28:00] quacker: have you got the lib?
[20:29:00] danieldk_: quacker: yeah and it'll work whenever dvd:/ is in the command line how ever only with isos and img's and not .vob files
[20:29:00] danieldk_: quacker: like its the "dvd:/" that enables menues *crazy
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[20:30:00] danieldk_: also is there any other variables like %s (path to file) in mythvideo?
[20:31:00] quacker: danieldk_, seems obvious to me — dvdnav is expecting 'Redbook media' and not separate files under a RAM FS with inodes
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[20:32:00] Yellow-Snow: quacker
[20:32:00] danieldk_: quacker: hmm yeah – Oo
[20:32:00] Yellow-Snow: how does the powersupply screw in?
[20:32:00] quacker: seems like the issue is of relative paths vs. ISO encoding (which is sequential)
[20:32:00] Yellow-Snow: through the front
[20:32:00] Yellow-Snow: nn/m
[20:33:00] quacker: dvdnav does not know how to get from $TARGET/~.VOB to everything else without following ISO 9660 tracks
[20:33:00] quacker: (guessing)
[20:34:00] danieldk_: quacker: yeah – actually google told that xine COULD play a .vob file like that but only by specifying the path to the VIDEO_TS catalog and not the complete file path. however i don't know how to put that into mythvideo...
[20:34:00] danieldk_: quacker: i only know of %s as one of "those variables"...
[20:35:00] danieldk_: quacker: where %s is the file-path
[20:37:00] danieldk_: Quacker: thanks anyway! :-)
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[20:45:00] redline--: hey guys, how does ubuntu install packages? i know gentoo has emerge and red hat is rpm debian apt-get but what about ubuntu?
[20:45:00] mlehrer: same as debian
[20:45:00] redline--: apt-get
[20:45:00] redline--: thanks
[20:45:00] mlehrer: ubuntu is very similar to debian
[20:46:00] danieldk_: %s is a variable which corresponds to the file path and name of the file you're going to play.. is there others beside %s?
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[20:59:00] quantum_: is there a way to be able to log into the web interface and get a streaming feed of what I recorded?
[21:00:00] Yellow-Snow: SMB1 = usb on mother board?
[21:02:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, SMB usually refers to samba
[21:02:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m
[21:02:00] Yellow-Snow: its for sustem bus
[21:03:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, what system bus?
[21:03:00] Yellow-Snow: for motherboard
[21:04:00] laga: quantum_: mythstreamtv.
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[21:04:00] laga: lars-ut: why do you change your nick when you are away?
[21:05:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, what motherboard bus? the FSB (Front side bus)? the PCI bus? the memory bus? there is no mother board bus or generic system bus
[21:05:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, http://www.google.com/search?num=25&hs=8F . . . ;btnG=Search <-- It's rather standard that SMB is Server Message Block
[21:05:00] Chutt: kormoc, system management bus.
[21:05:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m kormoc
[21:05:00] Yellow-Snow: yup chutt
[21:05:00] kormoc: Chutt, ooh?
[21:06:00] Chutt: though it's SMBus
[21:06:00] kormoc: yeah... I was just looking that up...
[21:06:00] kormoc: ahh, a part of acpi.
[21:07:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: hey buddy I got a question for ya if you got a moment
[21:07:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, hihi, whatz up?
[21:08:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I cant get my TV out to work hehe
[21:08:00] kormoc: Chutt, is it related to i2c?
[21:08:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, ooh?
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[21:09:00] SlicerDicer-: nvm kormoc pebkac
[21:09:00] SlicerDicer-: the pebkac is strong withen slicer
[21:09:00] kormoc: hehe
[21:09:00] lars-ut: laga: well – more of a placeholder I guess – I like to log everything
[21:10:00] SlicerDicer-: I forgot to put NTSC-M I put NTSC lol
[21:10:00] SlicerDicer-: just goes to shoa ya what happens when you rush
[21:10:00] SlicerDicer-: hah
[21:10:00] lars-ut: laga: If I actually go away then people can't pm
[21:10:00] rogier: I'm trying to rip a cd in myth, but it, just when it starts ripping, the cd is popped out. I can rip the cd in an other programs and other cd's work in myth. Any ideas what would cause this?
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[21:18:00] whyz: hey.. i get this when trying to load ivtv-fb.. "FATAL: Error inserting ivtv_fb (/lib/modules/2.6.10–1.771_FC2/updates/drivers/media/video/ivtv-fb.ko): Operation not permitted" .. dmesg says: "ivtv-osd: ivtv_fb_card_id parameter is out of range (valid range: 0--1)
[21:18:00] whyz: "
[21:18:00] whyz: any ideas?
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[21:26:00] Yellow-Snow: cable select
[21:26:00] Yellow-Snow: last end means master eh?
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[21:34:00] Beirdo: heh. I would strongly suggest using master and slave, never cable select
[21:34:00] Beirdo: too many drives just don't agree with each other using cable select (I've found)
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: if not ill change it
[21:35:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: tho
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: u know how most drives its that small ass pin?
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: thats a pain to remove.. b/c u gata get like tweasers?
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[21:35:00] Beirdo: well, if both drives are the same manufacturer and model, you'll be fine
[21:35:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: well this is like that but a plastic tab on the end so u can just pull it out instead of pulling out the tweasers
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: pretty nice imo
[21:36:00] Beirdo: I use the end of a precision screwdriver, usually, but yeah, they are a PITA
[21:36:00] Yellow-Snow: now that my back is hurting..
[21:36:00] Yellow-Snow: lo.l
[21:37:00] Beirdo: that happens :)
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[21:37:00] Beirdo: Oh jeez
[21:37:00] Beirdo: that reminds me
[21:37:00] Beirdo: chiropractor tonight
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: it boots
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: !
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: still sounds like a computer tho =\
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[21:45:00] brendan: anyone know the story behind myth's .nuv format? why does myth use it instead of a more standard container?
[21:46:00] scopeuk: its on the main site
[21:46:00] scopeuk: when the project was started it was seen as the best format for minimising resource usage
[21:46:00] brendan: for rtjpeg-type streams, right?
[21:47:00] scopeuk: yeh
[21:47:00] scopeuk: the i guess it jsut made sense to stick with one container
[21:47:00] brendan: for mp4 maybe that's weird
[21:47:00] brendan: ah
[21:47:00] brendan: seems hard to use the files outside of myth though
[21:48:00] scopeuk: what u trying to use em with?
[21:48:00] Chutt: what container format would you prefer?
[21:49:00] brendan: er, not too picky as long as, say, mplayer can read the files. I guess avi is no good?
[21:50:00] Chutt: not even close enough
[21:51:00] scopeuk: isent there a patch for mplayer out there somewhere
[21:51:00] brendan: does myth's libavformat grok myth's nuv?
[21:51:00] Chutt: nope
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[21:52:00] brendan: I'm a little worried about trying to track the container format myself if mplayer can't keep up with it...
[21:52:00] brendan: is it likely to be stable now?
[21:53:00] Chutt: it hasn't changed in something like 2 years
[21:55:00] dtm: i have a hardware mpeg2/mp3 encoder so .nuv is just the filename extension given to my mpeg containers/streams :)
[21:55:00] Freman: woohooo!
[21:55:00] Freman: it works!
[21:56:00] Freman: my box did it's first digital recording
[21:56:00] Freman: real test will be tonight when I have 3 simultanious recordings
[21:56:00] Freman: 2 digital, one analog
[21:57:00] ole_schoola: that's coincidence, same here Fremen
[21:58:00] Yellow-Snow: has anyone mounted thir ir on their box? or in it i mean
[21:58:00] Arkkis: kormoc, you asked why I do not use the latest gentoo package of mythtv, well here's the problem, it does not install mythvideo properly
[21:58:00] ole_schoola: have the 350 and a new airstar catching ATSC and cable right now, hope to conquer QAM by the end of the night
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[21:58:00] kormoc: Arkkis, yeah, Cardoe was to have that fixed and checked in two weeks ago :P
[21:59:00] ** kormoc pokes Cardoe. **
[21:59:00] ole_schoola: y-snow: planning to mount the rcvrs for and mceusb and this off-shore IR keyboard in front oof my silverstone
[21:59:00] Yellow-Snow: w/ a drill ? like flush?
[22:00:00] Arkkis: Cardoe, do you have a fix for it?
[22:00:00] Freman: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3057335921 Feb 9 01:00 2007_20060209000000_20060209010000.nuv
[22:00:00] ole_schoola: y-snow, i'll source thee red plastic filter stuff and dremel the box
[22:00:00] Freman: teeh eeh... I havn't even got it doing a hdtv job yet
[22:00:00] kormoc: Arkkis, he does, he's the guy who writes the ebuilds
[22:00:00] ole_schoola: just wait Fremen, you'll have tears well up
[22:01:00] Arkkis: kormoc, I kinda figured it out, I'd love to have that fix
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: i scrambled like mad when FC released the 2.6.15 kernel to tape the super bowl
[22:01:00] ole_schoola: for the commercials
[22:02:00] Freman: http://pastebin.com/545682 <- that don't look so good
[22:02:00] ole_schoola: time to play some VC and unwind
[22:02:00] kormoc: Arkkis, it's just a bug with the filtering of ${S} iirc
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[22:03:00] Arkkis: kormoc, do you have a fix?
[22:03:00] kormoc: Arkkis, not here, no
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[22:05:00] Arkkis: do you know what I could do to fix it?
[22:06:00] kormoc: edit the ebuild and set the var correctly, but I don't really have the time to do it for you.
[22:06:00] kormoc: later tonight, perhaps
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[22:08:00] Arkkis: it's 00:08 here =)
[22:08:00] scopeuk: 22:08 here
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[22:09:00] rav3r: what would be the best way for myth to see audio files on a mac shared drive?
[22:11:00] afm: samba
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[22:12:00] afm: or nfs
[22:12:00] rav3r: thanks
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[22:17:00] rav3r: i'm trying to cut down on my rtfm questions...
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[22:17:00] Juski: good thing to cut down on.. or out altogether, preferably ;-)
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[22:18:00] dtm: rav3r: nfs is best. are you saying you have data on macos?
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[22:20:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody have experience with lirc and hauppauge + AMD64 and character devices not showing up in /dev/?
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[22:21:00] dtm: rav3r: if so then you should download "nfs commander" from versiontracker.com or google for a howto on setting up an nfs server on macos.
[22:21:00] rav3r: dtm: yes, i have files on a mac i want to access
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[22:22:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.thermaltake.com/images/coolers/cl- . . . cl-p0092.jpg
[22:23:00] Yellow-Snow: i didnt know motherboards can fly now?
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[22:26:00] Yellow-Snow: http://66.148.4.51/ebayimages/Accessories/Exh . . . n-unit_1.jpg
[22:26:00] Yellow-Snow: now thats cool
[22:26:00] kormoc: Arkkis, it's only 14:30 here, and I'm at work :P
[22:27:00] whyz: Yellow-Snow, probably sounds like hell
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[22:28:00] Arkkis: kormoc, when you get home, if you could spam my priv with a way to fix it, I'd appreciate it
[22:28:00] Yellow-Snow: which one.. lol
[22:28:00] Arkkis: I gotta go sleep now
[22:28:00] kormoc: Arkkis, I'll see what I can do
[22:29:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: any ideas why LIRC would be not working properly with AMD64
[22:29:00] SlicerDicer-: does the hauppauge remote require 32bit stuffs?
[22:29:00] SlicerDicer-: if so I think I can compile it for 32bit
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[22:30:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, no idea
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[22:34:00] SlicerDicer-: argh! drat drat drat
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[22:34:00] SlicerDicer-: well I dont know if I am going to be able to get this system up by 8pm
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[22:35:00] J3g: how can one tell which TUNER to use? i found out on the kernel docs that my card id is 139, but how to find the tuner #?
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[22:43:00] Yellow-Snow: wow u know what was a great investment?
[22:43:00] Yellow-Snow: philips preformax cd cleaner and spray
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[22:52:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, ooh? why?
[22:53:00] SlicerDicer-: cant get nufin workin
[22:53:00] kormoc: just skip the remote for now
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[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I am
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: I am trying to get mysql and mythbackend working
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[22:57:00] Juski: I'm still waiting for DVD rewinders to come out. it's such a pain to put a DVD into my player & have to rewind it back to the beginning
[22:58:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[22:58:00] brendan: I always forget to rewind them before I return them too
[22:58:00] Juski: btw J3g: tuners usually have manufacturer/model info on the can ;-)
[22:58:00] Juski: been lucky so far – nobody's charged me for not rewinding one
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[22:59:00] Yellow-Snow: i payed for a gold subscription just so i dont have to rewind them and get a fine
[22:59:00] Juski: wait a minute... www.dvdrewinder.com :)
[22:59:00] Juski: http://www.dvdrewinder.com/images/rew2001.png
[23:01:00] Juski: nobody biting? ah well. guess I'll never recreate the feeling I got when a workmate believed me when I told him you can buy prescription windscreens for cars
[23:01:00] scopeuk: you can
[23:01:00] scopeuk: ;-)
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[23:01:00] scopeuk: im sure if you go to a glass company and ask em for a prescription lensebuilt into a windscreen they whould do it
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[23:03:00] Yellow-Snow: what theme does everyone use?
[23:05:00] Juski: me, project grayhem
[23:06:00] Juski: bit of a daft question to ask me though
[23:06:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont see that one
[23:07:00] Juski: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem
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[23:07:00] Yellow-Snow: why is it not on the website yet?
[23:07:00] dtm: Juski: lolololol
[23:08:00] dtm: Juski: yeah!! the web site!! all you've got there is a collection of html and other data served by http!!
[23:08:00] dtm: and furthermore, WHEN will it be on.... the website??
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[23:09:00] Yellow-Snow: dtm which theme do u use
[23:09:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: are you conducting a popularity contest?
[23:09:00] Yellow-Snow: just wondering
[23:09:00] dtm: atm i'm using the blue one. before, i used the default one.
[23:09:00] Yellow-Snow: and sorta i cant decide
[23:09:00] Yellow-Snow: i like them all
[23:10:00] dtm: ok then keep them in rotation.
[23:10:00] Yellow-Snow: er some i dont like
[23:10:00] Yellow-Snow: anyway to remove those?
[23:10:00] Juski: what website?
[23:10:00] Juski: and dtm: why your disparaging tone?
[23:10:00] Juski: some of them really suck IMHO.. almost enough to make me use something other than mythtv if the truth is known
[23:10:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: so as to punish them, because ignoring is insufficiently punitive toward their unsavory character?
[23:11:00] Juski: I'm not even 100% happy with my theme
[23:11:00] dtm: Juski: nothing! i'm just being satirical
[23:11:00] dtm: Juski: about Yellow-Snow's consistently odd inquiries
[23:11:00] Cromz: ProjectGrayham-Wide ( slightly modified to add x10 menu )
[23:12:00] Juski: dtm: I make a dig at my own html bashing efforts.. it's a crap looking site ;-)
[23:12:00] dtm: Juski: oh. i didn't know. i've never seen it.
[23:12:00] Yellow-Snow: juski why the house in the top right?
[23:12:00] Juski: I can't afford dreamweaver & CSS is beyond my comprehension
[23:12:00] dtm: Juski: switching media management platforms based on cosmetics is insane, fyi
[23:12:00] Juski: Yellow-Snow: a word associated with house... home
[23:12:00] dtm: Juski: dreamweaver is irrelevant. nvu.com is all.
[23:13:00] Juski: dtm: the aesthetics make it more usable (or not)
[23:13:00] Yellow-Snow: oh for mouse users?
[23:13:00] Juski: you can't use a mouse with mythtv
[23:13:00] Yellow-Snow: oh n/m
[23:13:00] Yellow-Snow: idk
[23:13:00] Juski: not in the majority of screens anyway
[23:13:00] Juski: though why some & not others remains a mystery
[23:14:00] Juski: anyway.. you try coming up with mostly original graphics when you do your own theme ;-P
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[23:15:00] Yellow-Snow: i c typo on mythsite
[23:15:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[23:15:00] Juski: if it wasn't blue tinged, I'd use Retro
[23:15:00] Yellow-Snow: ew
[23:15:00] Yellow-Snow: icons blow
[23:16:00] Yellow-Snow: imo g.a.i.n.t. is cool
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[23:16:00] Gumby: isnt it g.a.n.t ?
[23:16:00] Yellow-Snow: or that
[23:16:00] Yellow-Snow: w/e
[23:16:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[23:16:00] kormoc: yeah, g.a.n.t is quite nice
[23:17:00] Gumby: I like the win MCE clone
[23:17:00] Juski: eeew
[23:17:00] Gumby: have you seen/used it?
[23:17:00] Juski: to each their own of course ;)
[23:17:00] kormoc: Gumby, nope?
[23:18:00] Gumby: IMHO its by far the best OSD out there.
[23:18:00] Juski: roll on colour OSD with xvmc :)
[23:18:00] Gumby: and just because its a MCE type clone really doesnt mean a damn thing.
[23:19:00] Juski: It's a very personal thing, theme choice.. thank god we have choices
[23:19:00] Gumby: http://www.radixpub.com/vir/portfolio/mtvmc/
[23:20:00] Juski: there's a more MCE looking one than that
[23:20:00] Juski: look on the wiki
[23:20:00] Gumby: URL?
[23:20:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa like the tv guide
[23:20:00] Yellow-Snow: is that the theme or no
[23:21:00] Yellow-Snow: also.. my tv guide like has font thats to small.. is that the theme?
[23:21:00] Juski: you can adjust that to a certain extent
[23:22:00] Juski: in some themes
[23:22:00] Gumby: that can be changed in the OSD settings
[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: imo its to small
[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: well my tv is to small . i want it to fil the box
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[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: they should do that.. u know? if u have 4 channels displaying on tvguide it wlill display the whole gaint box..
[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: or if u have 10
[23:22:00] Yellow-Snow: its small
[23:22:00] Juski: mythcenter is the MCE looky likey I was thinking of
[23:23:00] Yellow-Snow: link?
[23:23:00] Juski: wiki !
[23:23:00] kormoc: google !
[23:23:00] Juski: tiny screenshot there though.. the theme itself lives in SVN
[23:23:00] kormoc: mythcenter looks sharp
[23:23:00] Juski: the colours are brighter than those in the mtvmc theme
[23:24:00] Gumby: mythcenter doesnt have much screenies on it
[23:24:00] praet: http://www.fotoniq.nl/projects/mythtv/
[23:25:00] Yellow-Snow: wait
[23:25:00] Yellow-Snow: why isent visor theme and purple galaxy included in theme-0.18.tar.bz2
[23:26:00] Juski: ask me why mine isn't ;-)
[23:26:00] Yellow-Snow: why
[23:26:00] Juski: it's too freakin big man :)
[23:26:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[23:27:00] Juski: I went to town on the graphics
[23:28:00] dtm: Juski: your ideas intrigue me, good sir, and i should like to subscribe to your news-letter
[23:28:00] Juski: ?
[23:28:00] praet: hehe
[23:28:00] ** dtm checks out grayhem **
[23:28:00] Juski: oh like updating when I make new stuff... don't hold your breath
[23:30:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u run a ebuild file?
[23:31:00] dtm: Yellow-Snow: you go to #gentoo
[23:31:00] Juski: erm.. ebuilds are for gentoo
[23:31:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[23:31:00] Yellow-Snow: blah
[23:33:00] dtm: ok so how do we get the dvd box cover photo included in movie metadata
[23:33:00] dtm: and is it possible to get more extensive metadata than zap2it's sentence or two?
[23:34:00] Juski: dtm: easy peasy
[23:34:00] Juski: the video box covers anyway ;)
[23:34:00] Juski: video manager.. search IMDB
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[23:34:00] Juski: if the cover isn't on IMDB it goes to amazon
[23:35:00] Juski: as for program data better than zap2it... LXM just tried that... and went down (so they say)
[23:35:00] dtm: Juski: ok so that's not in the tv portion?
[23:35:00] dtm: Juski: for movies on tv
[23:35:00] Juski: oh
[23:35:00] Juski: you don't
[23:36:00] dtm: :-[
[23:36:00] Juski: I've seen a few people ask that.. maybe it's something to put in the list of things for developers to ignore.. I mean the Feature Requests list
[23:36:00] dtm: fire
[23:36:00] dtm: d
[23:36:00] dtm: kthx
[23:36:00] Juski: _but_
[23:36:00] dtm: :-o
[23:37:00] Juski: if mythtv was to move away from the current system of having different players for stuff & treating all media differently... i.e. if it was to treat everything as a bunch of files 'under one roof' (as has been mooted)... ;-)
[23:38:00] Juski: you'd then still be able to do 'play music' 'play movies' etc... just treat them all the same apart from the classification
[23:38:00] Juski: if it was ever to happen you can bet your life it'll be a long way off
[23:40:00] dtm: kthx
[23:40:00] Juski: thinking about it though. dtm.. maybe it wouldn't be too hard to add a movie poster item into the DB
[23:40:00] dtm: yeah.
[23:40:00] Juski: only possible snag I can see with that is that there's precious little screen space as it is
[23:41:00] Juski: and if the IMDB site ever take exception to their html being scraped it'll have to go
[23:43:00] Juski: right folks.. bedtime.. 2 more days of this week left & I want to get through them as best I can
[23:43:00] Yellow-Snow: $ tar -xzvf MythCenter.tar.gz /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ ... where is that folder? what login do i have to be under?
[23:44:00] Cromz: night Juski
[23:44:00] dtm: Juski: l8r
[23:44:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: YES!! I got it working haha
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[23:47:00] Gumby: anyone have the latest ivtv modules compiled? I am looking for the output of modinfo ivtv |grep "version:"
[23:48:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, yay!
[23:49:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i get to my mythtv/themes folder?
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[23:50:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: now for the interesting part haha
[23:50:00] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0kiCkv37.html
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[23:52:00] Freman: I thought if I told this thing that it can schedule transcoding between midnight, and 10 am... it would?
[23:52:00] SlicerDicer-: nvm kormoc remerged it and it worked
[23:52:00] Freman: it seems to not be
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[23:54:00] sammylin2: anyone here running gentoo?
[23:55:00] Freman: YES
[23:55:00] sammylin2: how do i recompile mythtv wth firewire support?
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[23:56:00] ** Freman shrugs **
[23:56:00] SlicerDicer-: sammylin: I would assume adding 1394 useflags and then adding suport in your kernel I cant remember the exact useflags but if you do a emerge -pv it should give some flags
[23:57:00] SlicerDicer-: thats just a guess I would look but I am a bit busy
[23:57:00] sammylin2: -pv would give use flags used with previous emerge right?
[23:58:00] Freman: pv will give you all the flags availible
[23:58:00] Freman: hmmm my usb tuner doesn't appear to be recording.../
[23:58:00] Freman: well that's 2 problems to fix tonight...
[23:59:00] Freman: 1) it's not transcoding at all (I scheduled between midnight and 10 am) 2) it's not recording off the usb
[23:59:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: question for ya if you got a moment

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