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[00:15:00] k-man: morning all
[00:17:00] eggstylin: good afternoon =)
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[00:38:00] directhex: are there any positive or negative reports on using a mac mini as a mythfrontend – either with osx or ppc linux?
[00:38:00] dtm: directhex: benh is using it on macos but he just had a baby so he's been gone.
[00:40:00] directhex: pfft. what messed up priorities -_-
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[00:40:00] dtm: yeah i know and it's his gf who wanted the myth in the first place!
[00:40:00] eggstylin: has anyone here used lirc to control a comcast DCT6000-series (DCT6412) HD cable box?
[00:40:00] dtm: directhex: he had just broken apart the external video adaptor
[00:41:00] dtm: and found that apple has scratched off the identifying info of its chips
[00:41:00] dtm: or obscured them with a covering material
[00:42:00] dtm: but i don't think that's relevant with macos.
[00:42:00] dtm: iirc
[00:43:00] directhex: dtm, i just wondered – a mac mini suddently seemed cheaper than an epia, decent case, dvdrw and bootable hard disk/cf/usb
[00:43:00] dtm: directhex: yes almost any macintosh is almost always cheaper than a comparable pc. the only problem is some peoples' definition of "comparable".
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[00:44:00] dtm: directhex: all the slashdot discussions on the topic found that to be true, unless you don't want those features or the quietness.
[00:45:00] dtm: directhex: and i use mythfrontend on macos on a g3
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[00:45:00] directhex: i've failed to even view low-bitrate low-resolution xvid on a g3
[00:45:00] dtm: not on a tv display though. and i can't play video on it coz the binaries are for altivec.
[00:45:00] dtm: directhex: oh really? i dont see why.
[00:45:00] mellofone: I am working on moving my backend machine to another system. will my settings stay the same for the backend or do I have to set that all up again?
[00:45:00] directhex: hell, i've failed to watch weebl & bob flash animations on anything but "low" flash quality on a g3
[00:45:00] dtm: directhex: mine's 350 MHz
[00:46:00] dtm: i have to 'killall -STOP' all other active processes, is all
[00:46:00] directhex: but really, i'm just curious about a frontend. a combined back/front end seemed a good idea, until i noticed i could hear it from the bedroom
[00:46:00] dtm: i can watch fullscreen scaled flash movies on video.google.com on it
[00:47:00] dtm: at a reduced fps
[00:47:00] dtm: that's the full video, not a flash animation
[00:49:00] directhex: anyway, bedtime
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[00:53:00] rav3r_: anyone gotten s/pdif working in fedora 4 / KDE?
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[01:01:00] eidolon: hi folks, nigh on disaster here. I invited some friends oer to watch the superbowl via the myth box, but the channel that is supposed to have the gam eon for us is showing something else. looking at comcast's site, there's apparently 2 different potential feeds for our cable... and if i hook up my 'cable ready' television, I see the game on channel 5, but the reception is abysmal. if i hook up the myth box and say 'show me ch
[01:01:00] eidolon: annel 5' it shows a different station (a religious channel, eee!)
[01:02:00] eidolon: what could cause the myth box to 'tune' differently than a cable-ready tv?
[01:03:00] dtm: :-o
[01:03:00] dtm: eidolon: did you find the right channel in myth?
[01:03:00] eidolon: no, i didn't. it wasn't an offset.
[01:03:00] dtm: eidolon: perhaps your channel database is wrong
[01:03:00] eidolon: the other channels are correct. that's why this is so mystifying.
[01:04:00] dtm: what do you mean by 'offset'
[01:04:00] eidolon: i've tuned / watched tons of other stuff via my channel database.
[01:04:00] dtm: all other channels are correct?  :-o
[01:04:00] dtm: eidolon: have you ever seen that same channel?
[01:04:00] eidolon: i'm... not sure. it's broadcast tv (like ABC or something) – i never watch that crap :)
[01:04:00] dtm: does it have a watermark that says 'BLOCKED BY THE MPAA'
[01:04:00] dtm: 'DIE, HACKERS'
[01:04:00] dtm: etc
[01:04:00] eidolon: the cable-ready tv showing the 'correct' channel 5 (though fuzzy) is -really- bizarre.
[01:04:00] dtm: anything like that
[01:04:00] eidolon: heh.
[01:06:00] eidolon: the flipside is zap2it is showing, on the configuration that shows the religious station on channel 5, that the game can be seen on channel 24.
[01:06:00] eidolon: but wh4en i try to tune to 24, i can't.
[01:06:00] eidolon: it won't select it at all. skips right past it.
[01:07:00] eidolon: (ala, if i go to 21, and hit up arrow, i get to 26.)
[01:07:00] eidolon: can i tell it "NO, REALLY, TUNE TO 25 PLEASE!"
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[01:09:00] dtm: :-o
[01:09:00] dtm: eidolon: does it exist in your channel db?
[01:09:00] eidolon: that i don't know.
[01:09:00] dtm: eidolon: you could rescan that channel
[01:09:00] eidolon: how?
[01:09:00] eidolon: oh, that's in mythtv-setup, isn't it?
[01:09:00] dtm: this'll take a while but here on analog us cable, i do this
[01:09:00] dtm: scantv -o ~/.tv/stations -c /dev/video0 -C /dev/null -a
[01:10:00] dtm: it took me about 30 minutes for about 60 channels
[01:10:00] dtm: also you could try manually tuning it using something outside of myth
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[01:10:00] dtm: mine is tunable by echoing strings to sysfs
[01:11:00] eidolon: that's what i was doing to get channel 5.
[01:11:00] eidolon: i'd really like to just force myth to try channel 25.
[01:11:00] dtm: can't you force it now?
[01:11:00] dtm: same as you did with 5?
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[01:17:00] eidolon: i actually did just force it in mythtv – using mythtv-setup and manually adding the station.
[01:17:00] eidolon: still no dice.
[01:17:00] eidolon: i think i'm just screwed here :(
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[01:20:00] a1fa||64: hi
[01:21:00] jnunez: hi
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[01:41:00] ShockValue: hey, where ya'll buy your hd3000 cards?
[01:42:00] Beirdo: at stores, one would assume
[01:42:00] SlicerDicer-: ShockValue: you can get them from pchdtv.com IIRC
[01:42:00] ShockValue: Beirdo – i dont think they sell them in brick+mortar outlets
[01:43:00] SlicerDicer-: http://pchdtv.com/
[01:43:00] ShockValue: SlicerDicer- just curious if anyone has any first hand shipping experience (eg.. if i order it tonight, will i get it by friday)
[01:43:00] SlicerDicer-: nah
[01:43:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to get one though heh
[01:43:00] SlicerDicer-: eventually
[01:43:00] ShockValue: i'd like one, but the big push is for the olympics
[01:44:00] ShockValue: and they start friday :)
[01:44:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
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[01:47:00] ShockValue: xvmc + OSD = very jittery frames.. anyone else have (solved?) this issue?
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[02:07:00] junrelya: can someone help me with "prebuffering pause"?
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[02:42:00] squish102: i hope there is someone here that has experience with knoppmyth, nuvexport and ffmpeg
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[02:43:00] squish102: latest knoppmyth install. record something then use nuvexport to try make a divx
[02:43:00] squish102: use --debug to see the error and get that ffmpeg does not understand the --vtag divx
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[02:44:00] squish102: so any1 have any ideas?
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[02:49:00] dtm: squish102: the knoppmyth maintainer is at a conference but he's normally here.
[02:52:00] squish102: wow, i was just hoping for someone a little brighter than me, not the top dog ;)
[02:53:00] squish102: i'm still trying to fix it myself and the move onto the next problem
[02:54:00] dtm: i need to figure out how to do custom transcoding jobs
[02:54:00] jnunez: squish102: ffmpeg doesn't have a --vtag ... I think
[02:56:00] jnunez: I have an issue with my transcoding but I need to get my IR Blaster working
[02:58:00] jnunez: meanwhile Sesame Street episodes are filling up the drive
[02:58:00] squish102: jnunez that is what i read on the website
[02:58:00] squish102: but it is what nuvexport puts on the command line
[02:58:00] squish102: after running nuvexport --debug :(
[02:59:00] jnunez: it's probably in a database table
[02:59:00] squish102: it is like nuvexport is a old script or something
[02:59:00] jnunez: is it a script? Let me check
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[02:59:00] squish102: any1 use nuvexport can give me the version of ffmpeg they using?
[03:01:00] squish102: I have:
[03:01:00] squish102: mythtv@mythtv:~$ nuvexport -version
[03:01:00] squish102: nuvexport version: 0.2 0.20050922.svn
[03:01:00] squish102: mythtv@mythtv:~$ ffmpeg -version
[03:01:00] squish102: ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4718
[03:02:00] dtm: jnunez: it's a race against time! oscar the grouch is trashing your filesystem
[03:03:00] Yellow-Snow: ? i thought if u clicked "transcoders" it auto cuts the commericals out of the program if u flaged them
[03:04:00] jnunez: Yellow-Snow: You need to load it in the editor and then save the cut list
[03:04:00] jnunez: I haven't dealt with this
[03:04:00] dtm: jnunez: where's the editor
[03:04:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[03:05:00] jnunez: hold on
[03:05:00] jnunez: E or M while watching a recording
[03:05:00] eiggirC: how can you tell from within mythfrontend if a recording has been transcoded?
[03:06:00] Yellow-Snow: u select it in recording profiles
[03:06:00] Yellow-Snow: E or M? aight
[03:06:00] Yellow-Snow: let me test
[03:06:00] dtm: jnunez: i can't watch from within mythfrontend. it freezes the display indefinitely when i seek.
[03:07:00] Yellow-Snow: its m
[03:07:00] Yellow-Snow: When u do that u begin transcoding or edit recording
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[03:08:00] jnunez: dtm: Oscar is fraggin my drive! Elmo is snotting it all up!
[03:08:00] jnunez: LOL
[03:09:00] jnunez: Yellow-Snow: You begin the edit, you need to load your commercial cuts and then save
[03:09:00] eiggirC: bloody TV... I've got a show here that is 45% adverts.
[03:09:00] jnunez: goto http://localhost/mythtv-doc/keys.txt
[03:09:00] jnunez: to get the keys
[03:10:00] jnunez: dtm: What Video Card do you have
[03:10:00] dtm: jnunez: geforce 4 440mx
[03:10:00] dtm: eiggirC: wow
[03:11:00] jnunez: Did you activate xvmc? xv?
[03:14:00] squish102: any1 that uses nuvexport that can give me a "ffmpeg -version" ?
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[03:16:00] dtm: jnunez: that was with knoppmyth and hence the free drivers. i got no sense that the drivers were the problem, as i could just hit esc and start over
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[03:18:00] squish102: any other tools to read .nuv files and create divx ?
[03:18:00] squish102: other than nuvexport
[03:18:00] dtm: squish102: mencoder
[03:19:00] squish102: thanks
[03:19:00] jnunez: dtm: it could be knoppmyth setting
[03:19:00] dtm: jnunez: yeah i've since installed centos and i have no mythfrontend on it yet. we'll see.
[03:23:00] eiggirC: I've got 94 Gb of myth recordings. Some of them are filed under "movie – whatever" and some are just called "whatever" Is there any way to tidy up my database?
[03:23:00] dtm: lol
[03:23:00] dtm: eiggirC: what database?
[03:23:00] eiggirC: dtm: the recordings name database
[03:24:00] eiggirC: I guess
[03:24:00] dtm: eiggirC: where'd the names come from
[03:24:00] dtm: the 'whatever' names
[03:24:00] eiggirC: dtm: from the EPG. they're not very consistant
[03:24:00] dtm: sounds like you destroyed your data and would need to reconstruct it manually
[03:24:00] dtm: oh?
[03:24:00] eiggirC: dtm: then you don't understand what I mean
[03:24:00] dtm: well maybe i dont picture what your filenames are actually like, or what you want
[03:25:00] squish102: eiggirC g
[03:25:00] eiggirC: one channel might have a programme called "movie – blues brothers" and another would call it "The Sunday Premiere Movie – Blues Brothers"
[03:25:00] eiggirC: so myth files them under "movie" and "The Sunday....."
[03:25:00] eiggirC: I'd like to put all the movies together
[03:25:00] dtm: weird.
[03:26:00] eiggirC: likewise, in 2005 one programme was "Thomas the tank engine and friends" and now its listed in the EPG as "Thomas the tank engine & friends"
[03:26:00] eiggirC: so myth knows them as two different series
[03:26:00] dtm: eiggirC: well in that particular case, you could come up with a set of useless prefixes like "The Sunday Premiere Movie" and remove those automatically.
[03:26:00] dtm: oh man that's messy
[03:27:00] eiggirC: dtm: and I only have four channels... how do those with hundreds of channels get on :-\
[03:27:00] dtm: hehe the closest i've come to that is writing a wrapper for mythname.pl to create descriptive symlink filenames for the .nuv filenames, while removing punctuation from the descriptive names.
[03:27:00] dtm: eiggirC: mythtv lets you define its method of duplicate checking
[03:28:00] squish102: I have a stupid question as usual: can u get mythtv to record to mpeg2, then do the comercial flag, then remove the comercials and keep the mpeg2 quality?
[03:28:00] dtm: eiggirC: it can look in the description and the title and whatnot
[03:28:00] dtm: squish102: yes
[03:28:00] eiggirC: yup yup I know that. Few programmes in my EPG have a description.
[03:28:00] dtm: squish102: i am told by Captain_Murdoch, who wrote mythcommflag, that it's not currently automatically possible though
[03:28:00] dtm: squish102: but it is technically possible. he says it's due in 0.19
[03:29:00] squish102: my current recordings look like this: has commflag: Yes has cutlist: No is editing: No
[03:29:00] squish102: is that right?
[03:30:00] squish102: if i want so that when i convert to divx with nuvexport that i remove commercials from the picture
[03:31:00] squish102: i wonder when 0.19 comes out
[03:31:00] squish102: what is "has cutlist"?
[03:31:00] squish102: sorry for all the questions
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[03:37:00] jnunez: squish102: When you transcode only the cutlist is used
[03:38:00] squish102: so should i have it switched on somewhere to get it to remove the commercials?
[03:38:00] jnunez: Commercial Flagging is not acturate so you need to go into the editor, load the comm list into the cut list and if everything is correct then queue it for transcoding
[03:39:00] jnunez: Working on my first transcoding. Compressing Barney cause he is my daughter's least favorite show and if I mess up she won't miss it.
[03:40:00] squish102: ok thanks
[03:40:00] jnunez: 'E' goes into the editor, 'Z' loads your commercal list and then arrows and space to edit the cuts
[03:41:00] jnunez: I have a P3 933MHz cpu so I will be transcoding for days!
[03:42:00] jnunez: My next machine will be a AMD 64 2800+ with 1GB and a NVidia chipset
[03:42:00] squish102: thanks, u hit E while viewing it
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[03:42:00] jnunez: yes
[03:43:00] ip_goat_rodeo: So, does 'TVStandard HD1080i' actually work on nvidia 6xxx boards for video out?
[03:44:00] eiggirC: jnunez: get hard – I have a P3 866. It runs 24/7 and generally gets done overnight
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[03:45:00] eiggirC: jnunez: if its not enough, you could set up a slave backend on another linux box.
[03:45:00] jnunez: I had my output to my Sony set at 1080i BUT I had color and image warping but I dont have a HDTV tuner so I dropped it down to 720p
[03:46:00] jnunez: eiggirC: I know. I have two windows boxes at home but my wife and son won't let me mess with it
[03:46:00] ip_goat_rodeo: Just got myself a full-spec sharp, but I got choice of dvi-in at 1280x1024 or component 1080i. Wondering what's the path of least resistance for getting some kind of picture up and running.
[03:46:00] jnunez: I wonder if I could boot up the MythFrontend to use it as a slave?
[03:47:00] eiggirC: jnunez: a P3 will be fine. Or buy some 3 year old ex-lease P4 box for a couple hundred and use that.
[03:48:00] jnunez: I was at a comp show yesterday and they had P3 Compaq (small low profile) and they were going for $120.00. I was tempted but my wife would cut the money out of my amd64 budget
[03:49:00] eiggirC: try this.... "Honey I have needs that just aren't being met"
[03:49:00] eiggirC: "I NEED this (insert geektoy here)"
[03:49:00] jnunez: LOL
[03:50:00] jnunez: Hey she actually gave in to my "We need HDTV! SDTV is causing me headaches" request
[03:51:00] ip_goat_rodeo: my wife was the one that SUGGESTED getting an HDTV, bless her heart.
[03:52:00] eiggirC: ip_goat_rodeo: save that woman! she's a rare one
[03:52:00] eiggirC: Mind you – all TV is bollocks really.
[03:52:00] jnunez: My brother had a HDTV and she was hooked on inHD and Discovery. After we got it. We found out Cablevision doesn't carry those channels
[03:53:00] ip_goat_rodeo: japanese TV is even worse crap than worse, however the NHK documentaries in full 1080 res are impressive.
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[03:53:00] ip_goat_rodeo: er, worse crap than most
[03:54:00] eiggirC: basic user interface question here – You can tag a list of episodes with the / key. How do you play them all ?
[03:54:00] jnunez: I like some of the shows... Lost, Battlestar and that's about it. We watch alot of Documentaries.
[03:54:00] eiggirC: ip_goat_rodeo: "worse crap than worse" is a very picturesque phrase too.... makes sense as it was.
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[03:55:00] eiggirC: jnunez: heh BSG hasn't even started here. bittorrent is the only way to see new stuff
[03:55:00] eiggirC: we're still watching top gear of four years ago
[03:55:00] jnunez: What is top gear?
[03:55:00] eiggirC: jnunez: its an English car programme
[03:56:00] k-man: yeah
[03:56:00] eiggirC: where if a car is crap, they say "this car is crap"
[03:56:00] eiggirC: nicely honest
[03:56:00] ip_goat_rodeo: NHK may be a real waste of funds for a lot of things, but the fact that they produce EVERYTHING in HD is nice.
[03:56:00] k-man: sucks how we have TG shows that are 1 year old in australia
[03:56:00] k-man: its stupid
[03:56:00] k-man: sometimes they are brutal to cars
[03:56:00] eiggirC: k-man: yeah – but its not like I can afford to thrash a porsche
[03:56:00] ip_goat_rodeo: yeah, we get it on bbcworld on CS sattelite in japan.
[03:56:00] k-man: the sledged the melaysian car the other day
[03:57:00] jnunez: NHK has been doing HD for years
[03:57:00] ip_goat_rodeo: even the old analog HD was nice
[03:57:00] k-man: Notorious, i mean they are brutal in their opinon of cars
[03:57:00] jnunez: They had a nice setup in the theater that is now the David Letterman Studios
[03:57:00] k-man: not how they drive them (althoug they do usually thrash the cars too)
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[03:58:00] k-man: eiggirC, are you in aus.?
[03:59:00] eiggirC: k-man: close, I'm in New Zealand
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[03:59:00] k-man: oh
[03:59:00] k-man: ok
[03:59:00] k-man: eiggirC, hows nz these days?
[03:59:00] k-man: i think i'd like to live there oneday
[03:59:00] k-man: i'm sick of our government here
[04:00:00] eiggirC: k-man: heh an old flattie is planning on moving to .au for the better life
[04:00:00] eiggirC: the grass is #00FF00 on the other side of the ditch
[04:00:00] eiggirC: regardless which side you're on
[04:00:00] eiggirC: damn baby is awake
[04:00:00] eiggirC: later all
[04:01:00] jnunez: ltr
[04:01:00] k-man: eiggirC, really? if he values his freedom, i suggest he stays at home
[04:01:00] k-man: you can be done for sedition now just for thinking
[04:01:00] eiggirC: don't think – its safer :)
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[04:26:00] jnunez: Finally got mythgame working but because of the overscan I am missing the top and bottom of the games. Who can I set the overscan of x11
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[04:33:00] buu: jnunez: nvidia card?
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[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:41:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u select the language on the dvd player?
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[04:43:00] cowboycoder: does anyone know if zap2it has an ip based blacklist? I can't access their site from either of my ips, but can through a remote proxy.....
[04:44:00] prurigro: Hi, I just installed mythtv with gentoo and I think its great, I have it almost customized how I want it, the only thing I'm missing is xmame support with the games plugin.. I'm using the recommended version on the website, but when I setup the binary file in the path in setup it says that this version of mame isn't supported by myth tv whenever I go into games
[04:44:00] prurigro: anyone have any ideas?
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[04:53:00] k-man: prurigro, read the mailing list archives about it
[04:53:00] k-man: i think theres something on them about it
[04:53:00] prurigro: k-man: oh no kidding, I figured it was something I was doing sorry
[04:53:00] k-man: no
[04:53:00] k-man: i believe 18.1 checks the version number for some reason
[04:54:00] k-man: sorr
[04:54:00] k-man: sorry, 0.18.,1 i mean
[04:54:00] k-man: but i think thats fixed in 0.19 (when its finaly released)
[04:54:00] prurigro: the version does match the one in the readme, would that make a difference? and ahh sweet, I doubt I'd be using mame for a little while (school etc) so I'll just wait for that, thanks a lot
[04:55:00] k-man: no worries
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[04:58:00] Yellow-Snow: i can't install xine-ui b/c of some error like libreadline5 (>=5.1) but 5.0–10 is to be installed E: broken packages
[04:58:00] kristok: I just switched over to a new fe/be combo, but im having mysql problems
[04:58:00] kristok: how do you add a user?
[04:58:00] kristok: to mysql that is
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[05:03:00] squish102: kristok, on knoppmyth?
[05:03:00] kristok: no, FC4
[05:03:00] squish102: there was something in their wiki.. oh
[05:03:00] squish102: nvm
[05:05:00] kroylar: Does anything know if the functionality discussed in the following mailing list posts is being implemented at all? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/112853
[05:05:00] sportman: hmm
[05:06:00] kroylar: ^anybody
[05:06:00] Kelerion: kroylar: already done
[05:06:00] kroylar: Kelerion, really?
[05:06:00] kroylar: what version?
[05:06:00] Kelerion: pressing R in a recording will record from the beginning of that current show
[05:06:00] Kelerion: svn
[05:06:00] kroylar: ok, sorry I am probably too out of date....or gentoo is
[05:07:00] Kelerion: so if you've been watching a show for 20 mins. .and press R.. it takes it from the buffer and makes it into it's own recording.. then finishes recording it
[05:08:00] kroylar: thats great. Just what I was looking for. Thanks for the prompt response.
[05:08:00] Kelerion: http://svn.mythtv.org/ is what your after.. or wait a week or so and get .19
[05:08:00] kroylar: All right, i'll just do that.
[05:08:00] kroylar: Thanks again.
[05:08:00] Kelerion: np
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[05:12:00] ShockValue: any super cool new features in 19 or svn?
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[05:13:00] Netslayer: i'm assuming the best way to get 1080i output at the momment is DVI -> HDMI -> TV?
[05:14:00] ShockValue: if your tv doesnt do dvi i would suppose so
[05:14:00] Netslayer: nvidia's modelines work with 1080i output these days?... heard some complaints on the list
[05:15:00] Netslayer: and anyone know the reqs cpu wise for hdtv? got a hd3000 card
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[05:16:00] ShockValue: where'd ya get it? not sure on req's.. thinking of getting one as well
[05:16:00] Netslayer: pchdtv.com
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[05:23:00] buu: YA know, the myth video manage thing is really batshit insane.
[05:24:00] buu: The files not there. So I rerun it. It asks me to remove it. I tell it to remove it. It's still there. I manually remove it. It's still there
[05:24:00] buu: "delete failed"
[05:24:00] buu: What the fuck?
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[05:37:00] Yellow-Snow: hey what does everyone use to play dvd's?
[05:37:00] Yellow-Snow: mplayer or xine-ui?
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[05:38:00] ShockValue: i use xine because my wife demands dvd menus.. otherwise i think most people use mplayer
[05:39:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean i wouldnt mind mplayer but this dvd is playing in spanish
[05:39:00] ShockValue: ah.. theres a couple steps to remedy that... although im not much of an expert
[05:40:00] ShockValue: someone had to walk me through it
[05:40:00] Yellow-Snow: oh really?
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[05:40:00] ShockValue: first thing to check is to make sure your 'local' is set properly.. mine was left blank, so it just had to guess.. most of the time it worked ok, but sometimes things would play in spanish or french
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[05:41:00] beau: hey dudes
[05:41:00] ShockValue: that fixed 100% of my issues. but there is also a command line parameter to tell mplayer to use english, i think
[05:41:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:41:00] beau: has anyone come across this before? Could not find theme: MythCenter
[05:41:00] ShockValue: did you install mythtv-themes?
[05:41:00] ShockValue: afk a minute
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[05:49:00] monkeypet: Too bad the superbowl ran late, my myth didn't record all of it!
[05:49:00] ShockValue: being from seattle.. i didnt really want to watch the last part anyway
[05:50:00] monkeypet: Yeah, I just watch it to watch it... no really interested in it in general... however, people will be bitching now.
[05:54:00] beau: shockvalue: yea, i install mythtv-themes
[05:55:00] beau: shockvalue: installed from source
[05:56:00] Yellow-Snow: shock is it -alang/-slang select DVD audio/subtitle language (by 2-char country code)?
[05:58:00] ShockValue: Yellow-Snow – for the mplayer settings, yes
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[05:58:00] Gumby`: can anyone recommend a distro that gets the current mythtv packages built for it on a regular basis?
[05:58:00] ShockValue: fedora c4 is popular, gentoo is updated quickly as well
[05:59:00] Gumby`: im not wanting to compile mythtv. currently I am using debian but it looks like support for mythtv is done until someone else picks it up
[05:59:00] monkeypet: Gumby`: I use fedora c4 and been satisfied with it.
[05:59:00] ShockValue: AFAIK debian isnt a 'common' platform for most myth users
[05:59:00] Gumby`: maybe I'll give it a shot. thx
[06:00:00] Gumby`: not really keen on fedora though. hehe
[06:00:00] beau: ahh fedora is allright
[06:00:00] ShockValue: me neither, but i run gentoo.. sounds like you're not interested in that
[06:00:00] beau: has its ups and downs
[06:00:00] monkeypet: Gumby`: I think jerod's guide will get you there fast.
[06:00:00] ShockValue: fc4 + jarod's guide = most tried + true method
[06:01:00] Gumby`: I dont mind gentoo. I really dont want to wait the time it takes to set gentoo up
[06:01:00] monkeypet: I never liked debian, but I don't want to start a flame war. Although, i would use debian on servers.
[06:01:00] ShockValue: beau: im not finding much on that error... can you start mythtv at all?
[06:01:00] Gumby`: ShockValue: do you have a URL for that?
[06:01:00] ShockValue: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/
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[06:02:00] a1fa||64: time to update my svn tree
[06:02:00] Yellow-Snow: shock it works!
[06:02:00] Yellow-Snow: thanks man
[06:02:00] ShockValue: a1fa||64 anything interesting in svn/19 over 18? mine is working great, but am inteeested in new features :)(
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[06:02:00] ShockValue: lucky guess :)
[06:03:00] monkeypet: I need to get my 2nd xbox frontend running. I wish it was quieter.
[06:03:00] ShockValue: Yellow-Snow i'd still look into the "local" thing... let command line fkin around in the long run
[06:03:00] a1fa||64: wow
[06:03:00] a1fa||64: svn > 18
[06:03:00] a1fa||64: so many things are fixed
[06:03:00] a1fa||64: 18 was running like crap for me
[06:03:00] monkeypet: 19 is just about out of the oven, right?
[06:03:00] a1fa||64: svn is much much more stable then anything
[06:03:00] ShockValue: but.. nothins brokin for me (except xvmc playback)
[06:04:00] Gumby`: am I still going to need to compile ivtv using fc4?
[06:04:00] ShockValue: i wont more bells and whistles!!!
[06:04:00] Yellow-Snow: hm mplayer dosent play menu's eh?
[06:04:00] ShockValue: Yellow-Snow nope..
[06:04:00] ShockValue: ogle does menues too.. never used it though
[06:04:00] monkeypet: xine?
[06:05:00] Yellow-Snow: so does xine-ui
[06:05:00] ShockValue: yeah, xine and ogle do.mlpayer doesnt
[06:05:00] Yellow-Snow: but i cant really install xine-ui b/c of a error
[06:05:00] Yellow-Snow: ok next thing to learn on my list is how to make my comp save power
[06:05:00] ShockValue: i just wish i could get xvmc acceleration working with xine too.. but it sounds like i need xorg 7
[06:05:00] jnunez: xine pops up an error and gets back to the myth menus
[06:06:00] ShockValue: jnunez – get it working from the command line first, then copy+paste that into mythtbv
[06:06:00] ShockValue: afk for some drugs
[06:07:00] jnunez: well I can't right now because I upgraded to a new wireless KB and Mouse and the Mouse is not working
[06:07:00] ShockValue: doh :)
[06:08:00] jnunez: After that I am looking for a X11 Tip on multimedia keyboard (sound and app launching)
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[06:09:00] beau: shockvalue: to report on an earlier error, its fixed
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[06:09:00] beau: shockvalue: needed to move themes folder to /root/.mythtv/ it worke
[06:10:00] beau: worked *
[06:10:00] a1fa||64: i am in love with a stripeer
[06:10:00] buu: Who isn't
[06:10:00] a1fa||64: its that song dude :P
[06:10:00] a1fa||64: i wasnt for real
[06:11:00] a1fa||64: but i wouldnt mind doing a stripeer ;P
[06:11:00] a1fa||64: they know their 101 in pleasing their man
[06:11:00] Yellow-Snow: hm has anyone set up the remote for pvr-150 all the way? mplayer and all?
[06:11:00] beau: alda ||64: im trying to get svn to work now
[06:11:00] a1fa||64: and * of other man
[06:11:00] a1fa||64: svn should work fine
[06:11:00] a1fa||64: if your .18.1 is working fine
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[06:12:00] beau: it downloaded the source, installed it
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[06:12:00] beau: just got a few issues, due to fedora setting the wrong $PATH for the QTDIR
[06:12:00] benklop: hello
[06:12:00] benklop: i am having trouble checking mythtv out of svn
[06:13:00] a1fa||64: URL: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[06:13:00] benklop: says "svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'"
[06:14:00] benklop: i do believe that is the URL i am trying
[06:14:00] beau: what command did u use to retrieve the svn?
[06:14:00] benklop: actually, i use gentoo, and the ebuild tried for me
[06:15:00] benklop: and i am not entirely sure where to check
[06:15:00] a1fa||64: lol
[06:15:00] a1fa||64: svn checkout http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[06:15:00] benklop: aight
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[06:16:00] benklop: newver used svn before
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[06:17:00] beau: alfa, did u have trouble with themes using svn?
[06:17:00] beau: cos i sure am lol
[06:19:00] beau: like myth couldnt find MythCenter theme
[06:19:00] beau: now it cant find abstract OSD
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[06:19:00] a1fa||64: nope
[06:20:00] lupin_sansei: anyone ever use that phone thing on myth?
[06:20:00] a1fa||64: lupin_sansei: i am
[06:20:00] lupin_sansei: what is it? VOIP?
[06:21:00] a1fa||64: SIP
[06:21:00] a1fa||64: yes
[06:21:00] a1fa||64: VoIP via SIP
[06:21:00] lupin_sansei: cool
[06:21:00] Yellow-Snow: hm does anyone have the remote for pvr-150 set up all the way? mplayer and all? the keys?
[06:22:00] lupin_sansei: I think I finally worked out why my DVB card shows a blank screen under myth. The answer was so obvious I missed it
[06:22:00] a1fa||64: wrong input in myth-setup>
[06:22:00] lupin_sansei: indoor aerial was too crap!
[06:23:00] lupin_sansei: I think myth crashes when the signal is too weak on digital broadcasts. I stuck the card in a windows machine and it kind of works but the reception sucked
[06:23:00] a1fa||64: it could be the drive
[06:24:00] lupin_sansei: the hard drive?
[06:24:00] a1fa||64: no
[06:24:00] a1fa||64: the driver
[06:24:00] a1fa||64: dvb driver
[06:24:00] lupin_sansei: yeah, that's probably what's crashing
[06:25:00] lupin_sansei: my windows machine will crash on a really bad signal too using that card
[06:25:00] lupin_sansei: I am going to pull it all in the living room and hook it up to the roof aerial and try again
[06:27:00] lupin_sansei: Does that sound right to anyone else? Bad reception just showing a blank screen for a minute then a crash?
[06:27:00] lupin_sansei: During the blank screen none of the keys for myth worked either
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[06:27:00] ShockValue: run myth from the console, and watch the output during the blank screen
[06:28:00] Netslayer: is there a model of mythconverg (doc) avaiable? .. doing hacking my mysql> and i forgot the cardinput table name
[06:28:00] Netslayer: ugg ok cardinput is one.. what's the other heh
[06:28:00] lupin_sansei: ShockValue: how do I run myth from a console, just type mythtvfrontend in?
[06:28:00] ShockValue: yeah
[06:29:00] ShockValue: i think its mythfrontent
[06:29:00] ShockValue: i think its mythfrontend
[06:29:00] lupin_sansei: it myth will start normally, but I'll get the error messages written to there will I?
[06:29:00] ShockValue: yep
[06:30:00] ShockValue: there's also options to turn on debugging info and pass it to a logfile.. but dont recall where to turn that on atm
[06:30:00] ShockValue: i crashed my system when i turned logging onto full, and then forgot to turn it off.. managed to get my box down to 0.0% disk free after about 2 months of logging :)
[06:32:00] lupin_sansei: I felt like I was banging my head against the wall yesterday, as I wasn't sure how on earth I could test that linux had actually detected the card
[06:33:00] lupin_sansei: I think myth "locks" access to the card doesn't it. Once I killed the backend process I could "scan" for channels, but it found nothing. I think that's because the signal was too weak
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[06:33:00] lupin_sansei: It's tough learning a new application, OS, digital TV, and all in one go!
[06:34:00] ShockValue: yes, quite... i did the same about a year ago.. it took me a good month or 2 before I had a stable working system
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[06:36:00] benklop: running "svn checkout http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv" gives me the same error
[06:36:00] benklop: svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'
[06:37:00] SqWaw: What would cause a recording that's being played back to gradually speed up to the point where eventually the voices sound like chipmunks and video can barely even be watch consciously...? Gentoo Linux MythTV 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #12 PREEMPT Thu Feb 2 20:11:49 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux, SVN 8841... I thought the last version of svn I had was the problem, so I upgraded it earlier today... That didn't
[06:40:00] lupin_sansei: funny
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[06:49:00] achew22: how do you setup a cutlist?
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[06:53:00] jnunez: achew22: watch a recording and press E
[06:54:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[06:54:00] Yellow-Snow: see that all req's a keyboard
[06:54:00] achew22: okay... how do you have it cut out all commercials
[06:54:00] jnunez: nav to the sections you want the recording to be cut and press space
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[06:54:00] Yellow-Snow: that and sound while watching a dvd.. i wish someone had maped it all to the remote
[06:55:00] jnunez: You can have it first flag the commericals after that you go to the editor E and load the flags with Z. if everything is ok save with X and go back and add the job to the queue
[06:57:00] Yellow-Snow: job queue? under what
[06:57:00] achew22: wow, X doesn't work
[06:57:00] achew22: do you push E again?
[06:57:00] Yellow-Snow: and isen't there a program to do that all for u
[06:58:00] jnunez: OK
[06:58:00] jnunez: You can have the Flag Commercials task run after each recording.
[06:59:00] jnunez: Yes exit the editor and then press right on the video file
[06:59:00] jnunez: it's the second to last item. I am cutting now so I can't access it yet
[07:00:00] jnunez: It's 2 am in NYC and I have to go to sleep. Work tomorrow morning
[07:01:00] jnunez: I think that maybe we need to get together a MythTV User Manual. Nothing about tweaking just using the system.
[07:01:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[07:02:00] Yellow-Snow: i personally can write a manual on how to get vnc/ftp/monitor working
[07:02:00] jnunez: Yellow-Snow: Some people talk about using ProjectX but I don't have exprience with it
[07:02:00] Yellow-Snow: since i am a noob.. me writing is noob proof since i am one
[07:02:00] jnunez: Yellow-Snow: Meet you torrow I need help with VNC
[07:02:00] Yellow-Snow: haha aight ill be here
[07:02:00] achew22: yeah — I want to setup VNC so can I get help now?
[07:02:00] Yellow-Snow: sore
[07:03:00] Yellow-Snow: sure
[07:03:00] achew22: sore?
[07:03:00] jnunez: tomorrow all!
[07:03:00] Yellow-Snow: do u have knoppmyth?
[07:03:00] achew22: night — have fun
[07:03:00] achew22: nope
[07:03:00] achew22: I have a real install
[07:03:00] Yellow-Snow: oh ok well let me see if this will work
[07:03:00] Yellow-Snow: can u get to root?
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[07:03:00] achew22: but knopmyth is based on debian and my setup is based on debian
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[07:06:00] Netslayer: can someone please tell me what the other table name is soure.. input something. I know there are two and i have cardinput
[07:07:00] Netslayer: auh show tables :-P
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[07:11:00] benklop: hey everyone
[07:12:00] dtm: why hello there
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[07:13:00] benklop: i'm having a problem checking mythtv out from svn
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[07:14:00] benklop: * checkout from: http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[07:14:00] benklop: svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'
[07:14:00] benklop: svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://cvs.mythtv.org)
[07:14:00] achew22: I don't know how to fix, but I would say read the howto.. thats what everyone tells me and they are usualy right
[07:15:00] achew22: Yellow-Snow you there?
[07:15:00] benklop: which howto would this be?
[07:15:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
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[07:19:00] achew22: okay — Yellow-Snow how do you set the port
[07:19:00] Yellow-Snow: not sure
[07:19:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[07:19:00] Yellow-Snow: like ip:0?
[07:19:00] achew22: what happend to writing a book?
[07:19:00] achew22: yeah
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[07:19:00] Yellow-Snow: -display :0
[07:20:00] achew22: no — how do I set it to listen on :0
[07:20:00] Yellow-Snow: that does set it to listen on :0
[07:21:00] Yellow-Snow: so all u do is type 192.168.1.102 to connect
[07:21:00] Yellow-Snow: or w/e your local ip is for that comp
[07:21:00] Yellow-Snow: 101 103
[07:21:00] achew22: the ip is 192.168.0.35
[07:21:00] achew22: in the thingy I will go to 192.168.0.35:102
[07:21:00] achew22: nope
[07:22:00] achew22: 102 doesn't work
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: no
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: ...
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: dude u gata use your local ip
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: 192.168.1.102
[07:22:00] achew22: why would I do that from my remote server
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean your real ip will work but u will have to forward the port
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: to test .. make sure its working
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: then work on outside.. and why?
[07:22:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c if u set it to monitor u cant read small text
[07:23:00] Yellow-Snow: so u vnc to u can edit the comp w/o owning your eyes
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[07:23:00] Yellow-Snow: i gtg to sleep man
[07:23:00] Yellow-Snow: afk
[07:23:00] achew22: fine
[07:25:00] achew22: wait
[07:25:00] achew22: how do you start it with linux?
[07:25:00] achew22: Yellow-Snow you gone yet?
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[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: xris: I am trying to login to the cvs but I cant seem to figure out what the password is and whats listed at mythtv.info is incorrect?
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: do you know what it is so I can grab the cvs?
[07:50:00] SlicerDicer-: mythtv
[07:54:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: huh?
[07:54:00] xris: there is no cvs
[07:54:00] SlicerDicer-: cvs.mythtv.org?
[07:55:00] xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/
[07:55:00] xris: myth hasn't used cvs for ages
[07:55:00] SlicerDicer-: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/
[07:55:00] xris: there's no login info
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[07:55:00] SlicerDicer-: stupid outdated things haha
[07:55:00] SlicerDicer-: mythtv.info bah
[07:55:00] xris: anyway, if you don't get it figured out by tomorrow, I'll help. I'm off to bed now.
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[08:04:00] Netslayer: when using btaudio on the capture cards.. do i have to set it up through alsa?
[08:15:00] monkeypet: anyone know how to upload a pub key to cvs.sourceforge.net??
[08:15:00] monkeypet: ssh key, that is.
[08:16:00] mchou: haha, finally gote to see robin williams live on broadway 2002
[08:16:00] SlicerDicer-: hey mchou
[08:16:00] mchou: got*
[08:16:00] mchou: shit was HILARIOUS
[08:16:00] SlicerDicer-: I am compiling mythtv to work on my mac
[08:16:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah it was awesome mchou the golf stuff that was great
[08:16:00] SlicerDicer-: and the best part was the figure skaters
[08:17:00] mchou: hehe
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: and I saw that 3 years ago lol
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: I remember it still
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: thats how much of a impact it had!
[08:17:00] mchou: I like the part "Bush doesnt talk when Cheney is drinking water"
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[08:17:00] SlicerDicer-: so whats up mchou?
[08:17:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you see it on DVD or HBO??
[08:18:00] SlicerDicer-: HBO
[08:18:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nice
[08:18:00] SlicerDicer-: naturally hehe I have all the movie channels
[08:18:00] SlicerDicer-: thats why I did the RS232 like you advised with my comcast box and my pvr-350 back almost a year ago I guess holy crap its been a while lol
[08:18:00] mchou: yeah, no doubt
[08:19:00] mchou: remember my technobabble trick? :)
[08:19:00] SlicerDicer-: not offhand no
[08:19:00] mchou: BS your way thru comcast csrs
[08:20:00] mchou: lil ol' ladies
[08:20:00] SlicerDicer-: haha it worked anyway
[08:20:00] SlicerDicer-: all the boxes are enabled
[08:20:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[08:20:00] mchou: sigh....
[08:20:00] SlicerDicer-: argh I hate osx
[08:21:00] SlicerDicer-: sometimes anyway
[08:21:00] mchou: I must be out of it.
[08:23:00] Chutt: i get the weirdest emails
[08:23:00] Chutt: I am an upset tivo user, soon to be some other type of dvr user. I just
[08:23:00] Chutt: wanted to know if you knew of somewhere I can file a complaint besides the
[08:23:00] Chutt: better business bureau to get results.
[08:24:00] mchou: haha!!!
[08:24:00] mchou: Chutt: was this to the mailing list or to you personally?
[08:24:00] Chutt: me personally
[08:24:00] mchou: lol
[08:25:00] SlicerDicer-: finally I got it haha
[08:25:00] SlicerDicer-: good lord that bites lol
[08:26:00] mchou: Chutt: you gonna bother responding "I dont use Tivo?" :)
[08:26:00] Chutt: bah
[08:26:00] Chutt: hell no
[08:26:00] Chutt: i don't respond to any personal email unless it's from someone i know
[08:26:00] Chutt: for the most part
[08:26:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am trying to build mythtv for osx haha
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[09:31:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: word.
[09:31:00] SlicerDicer-: ?
[09:32:00] dtm: it's a shame that nobody's collecting our mythtv recording habits for commercial feedback into content production
[09:32:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: i use mythfrontend for macos
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: I am trying to get it to work so I can use all the features
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: such as mythvideo mythdvd and that stuff
[09:32:00] dtm: i can use all the basic distro except viewing coz i have a g3 and the official binary is built for g4.
[09:32:00] SlicerDicer-: cause frontrow on my imac does a terrible job of loading up the NFS
[09:32:00] dtm: what do you mean by NFS
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: well I have every computer linked to my backend via nfs
[09:33:00] dtm: oh you mean loading via nfs
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: so every computer has access to mythvideo files
[09:33:00] dtm: i have nfs
[09:33:00] SlicerDicer-: but I cant get mythvideo or mythdvd etc working with mac
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: I would use the precompiled one but its not suiting my needs
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: but I cant seem to get it to compile for me either
[09:36:00] SlicerDicer-: so blah haha
[09:37:00] dtm: why doesn't it suit your needs
[09:38:00] SlicerDicer-: beacuse I want to use mythvideo and mythdvd
[09:38:00] dtm: oh.
[09:38:00] SlicerDicer-: I have a pretty damn loaded myth backend hehe
[09:39:00] SlicerDicer-: I keep on adding things too it hehe
[09:39:00] SlicerDicer-: I think I have everything activated now though
[09:39:00] SlicerDicer-: cept mythgame anyway
[09:40:00] SlicerDicer-: sorry mythgallery, game and phone are not used
[09:40:00] dtm: loaded in what way
[09:40:00] dtm: i haven't done anything but the basics so i dont know what's out there.
[09:40:00] SlicerDicer-: well I am using virtually all the features
[09:40:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[09:40:00] dtm: are there third party addons that don't come with it?
[09:40:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: are you using 0.18.1
[09:41:00] SlicerDicer-: mythvideo, mythdvd, mythweather, mythnews, mythweb, mythmusic and mythbrowser
[09:41:00] SlicerDicer-: I am using all those
[09:41:00] SlicerDicer-: they are plugins
[09:41:00] dtm: ok those are part of the stock distro huh
[09:41:00] dtm: maybe not.. they come with knoppmyth.
[09:42:00] SlicerDicer-: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads& . . . ad&cid=1
[09:42:00] dtm: dang. i need to set up us the bomb.
[09:42:00] SlicerDicer-: second link down
[09:42:00] SlicerDicer-: but yeah those plugins rock
[09:43:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean my mythbackend doubles as a dvd player, rss reader. I can play virtually any video with mythvideo, mythweb rocks for schedule information and all that I mean its great
[09:43:00] SlicerDicer-: I cant imagine not using it
[09:43:00] dtm: :-o
[09:43:00] dtm: but it doesn't use mplayer, does it?
[09:43:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures check those images of the plugins
[09:44:00] dtm: i heard something about a nuppelvideo player, whatever that is.
[09:44:00] SlicerDicer-: mythvideo/mythdvd use mplayer
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[09:44:00] directhex|work: i use vlc for dvd, since mplayer lacks dvd menus
[09:44:00] SlicerDicer-: directhex|work: hehe I will look into that :)
[09:44:00] dtm: what do you use for inline tv viewing
[09:45:00] SlicerDicer-: what do you mean inline?
[09:45:00] dtm: maybe i'm blind but i didn't see how to configure any of that. including the transcoder.
[09:45:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: you have to install the modules on the backend and any frontend you use
[09:46:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to be writing up a howto for mythdvd transcoding soon on the mythtv wiki
[09:46:00] dtm: SlicerDicer-: by inline, i mean the "watch tv" function
[09:46:00] dtm: whee
[09:46:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: I just use the default stuff
[09:46:00] dtm: well i want it to use mencoder.
[09:46:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: why?
[09:46:00] dtm: on a host other than the mythbackend host
[09:46:00] dtm: because mencoder pwnz. and i'm intimately familiar with it.
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[09:47:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: its able to run the transcode on any frontend using mtd
[09:47:00] dtm: my backend is a 233 MHz g3 with linux and my frontend is a 1300 MHz Duron
[09:47:00] SlicerDicer-: ouch
[09:47:00] SlicerDicer-: pushing it a bit far with the backend eh?
[09:47:00] dtm: it's almost totally idle
[09:47:00] SlicerDicer-: my backend is about to become a 3500+ AMD64 with 2gb ram heh
[09:47:00] dtm: well the mysql and mythbackend do slow it down a bit
[09:48:00] SlicerDicer-: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page thats the wiki btw
[09:48:00] dtm: and the recordings start to drop some frames while mythbackend, mysql, and mythcommflag are running.
[09:48:00] dtm: at the same time
[09:48:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[09:48:00] dtm: so certain late night shows suffer ^_^
[09:49:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah I am increasing the power on my system so I can start doing hdtv, transcoding with nuvexport and mythdvd as well as commflags and all that
[09:49:00] SlicerDicer-: I am going to be amping up my backend to about 700gb too
[09:49:00] SlicerDicer-: I have to replace the stupid 160gb drive that is failing too
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: I think its failing I am not sure
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: it runs fine for days and days and days
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: but if I shut down the backend and boot it up... look out
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: its scary
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: the drive spins up and down
[09:50:00] dtm: lol 700 GB. ok.
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: it wont boot and what not
[09:50:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: :)
[09:51:00] dtm: that'll dew, donkeh.
[09:51:00] SlicerDicer-: hdtv takes alot of space
[09:51:00] SlicerDicer-: I mean from what I gather depending hdtv can take nearly 10gb per hour
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont know what the hd-3000 is capable of doing or what kinda compression I am still experimenting with that at this point but its kinda scary haha
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: so I want to have more than enough space
[09:52:00] SlicerDicer-: and if there is too much well it will fill eventually maybe in 3 years time heh
[09:53:00] dtm: so the hd capture cards are digitizing an analog stream?
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I will have a HDTV cablebox
[09:53:00] SlicerDicer-: I will control the cablebox channel changing via firewire
[09:53:00] dtm: are there any which can do a copy
[09:54:00] dtm: that's a humorous application of firewire.
[09:54:00] dtm: that's all ironical and stuff
[09:54:00] SlicerDicer-: dtm: how else would you advise I change the channel?
[09:54:00] dtm: i wouldn't.
[09:54:00] SlicerDicer-: I use RS232 currently with my cablebox
[09:54:00] dtm: cool
[09:54:00] SlicerDicer-: that changes the channels :)
[09:54:00] dtm: mmhmm.
[09:55:00] dtm: is it an hd cable box currently?
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: if you look in the mythtv source contrib folder its in there all that stuff
[09:55:00] dtm: neat
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: no dtm its not at the moment
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: I havent gotten a HDTV box but I will keep both boxes I am thinking
[09:55:00] SlicerDicer-: that way I can record 2 streams at once
[09:55:00] dtm: i use a pvrusb2 so mythbackend changes em with v4l
[09:55:00] dtm: is it possible to have mythbackend change the input resolution using a script and not using v4l?
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[09:56:00] dtm: coz a hardware encoder doesn't like receiving v4l commands
[09:56:00] SlicerDicer-: well dtm I use a pvr-350 and there is configs for the capture card I used that set the resolution
[09:56:00] dtm: HMMM.
[09:56:00] dtm: ok. so yours uses v4l?
[09:56:00] dtm: to change resolution?
[09:56:00] SlicerDicer-: I dont use v4l afaik
[09:57:00] dtm: how's it do it
[09:57:00] dtm: pvrusb2 is not on the list, explicitly. it only says "hardware mpeg2 encoder" or whatnot
[09:57:00] ** SlicerDicer- looks into outerspace and says the answer is up there! "I have no idea" **
[09:57:00] dtm: :-o
[09:57:00] SlicerDicer-: I use the pvr-350 and it just works :)
[09:57:00] ** dtm slowly turns his gaze to the sky in wonder **
[09:57:00] dtm: a m a z i n g .. . ....
[09:58:00] SlicerDicer-: heh
[09:58:00] SlicerDicer-: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350
[09:58:00] SlicerDicer-: see thats what I use
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[10:13:00] dtm: no doubt.
[10:17:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah! I got my focus problems fixed hehe
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[12:02:00] jusk1: uhhhhhhhhhh
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[12:13:00] Merlin83b: Hi jusk1.
[12:13:00] Merlin83b: Feeling good?
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[12:18:00] jusk1: Merlin83b: the infamous result from the night before the night before
[12:19:00] Merlin83b: Oh right.
[12:19:00] Merlin83b: THat.
[12:19:00] Merlin83b: Good night out though?
[12:21:00] jusk1: yeh very good actually, especially considering where I was ;-)
[12:21:00] Merlin83b: Where was that?
[12:21:00] jusk1: my home town
[12:21:00] jusk1: nuff said :)
[12:21:00] Merlin83b: Oldham?
[12:22:00] jusk1: oops... old home town
[12:22:00] Merlin83b: Oh
[12:22:00] jusk1: never been out in Oldham.. the fact I'm still alive is evidence of that I think ;-)
[12:23:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[12:24:00] jusk1: anyway it was much needed after wrestling with mythburn on thursday & friday
[12:26:00] jusk1: and not winning, I miight add
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[12:34:00] Merlin83b: :<
[12:34:00] Merlin83b: I ordered all the stuff to build my final myth box.
[12:34:00] jusk1: cool
[12:34:00] jusk1: just playing with mythburn again. i think I'm gonna end up building mjpegtools myself
[12:35:00] ** Merlin83b heads out for lunch. **
[12:35:00] rsdvd: Hi – can any of you help me work out what is wrong with my Myth server?
[12:36:00] rsdvd: when I start mythbackend I get an error from mysql
[12:36:00] rsdvd: Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database
[12:36:00] rsdvd: already has 71 tables.
[12:36:00] rsdvd: If you are sure this is a good mythtv database, verify
[12:36:00] rsdvd: that the settings table has the DBSchemaVer variable.
[12:36:00] rsdvd: any ideas?
[12:36:00] jusk1: long time no see, rsdvd
[12:36:00] rsdvd: Hi juski
[12:37:00] jusk1: rsdvd.. what've you done?
[12:37:00] rsdvd: yes...not been around because things have been kind of working – untill now. I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.15
[12:37:00] jusk1: hmmm
[12:37:00] jusk1: is that all?
[12:37:00] rsdvd: as far as I know.
[12:38:00] jusk1: maybe the DB is just borked
[12:38:00] rsdvd: I can connect to mysql from the command line fine, just when I start mythbackend it errors as though it is trying to recreate the database
[12:38:00] jusk1: there's a comamnd to check it
[12:38:00] jusk1: command, even
[12:39:00] rsdvd: I have tied myisamchk....and it was nto happy about some of the tables, so I did a myisamchk -r to recover them
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[12:39:00] jusk1: do you have much to lose?
[12:40:00] rsdvd: quite a bit......I really don;t want to have to start again
[12:40:00] jusk1: back up the critical tables & flatten it – that's what I'd do
[12:40:00] jusk1: recorded, recordedmarkup, oldrecorded.. and another one
[12:41:00] rsdvd: I might have to resort to that......but i would prefer to find a less drastic measure.........if I can
[12:41:00] jusk1: if the mysql fixummy stuff doesn't work I don't see you have any choice
[12:42:00] jusk1: I don't meean you need to flatten the system btw.. just teh DB
[12:42:00] rsdvd: you are probably right......I might have to 'bite the bullet' and back it off and start the DB over
[12:43:00] rsdvd: I am still rebuilding another server after I got hacked (not MythTv though) so I would rather not have 2 machines being rebuilt at the same time
[12:43:00] rsdvd: brb
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[12:49:00] nuxil: how do i change channes in mythtv_
[12:50:00] nuxil: im a noob..
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[12:50:00] nuxil: the keynumbers?
[12:50:00] nuxil: 1 only get 1 channel
[12:54:00] rsdvd: nuxil.....it depends on your setup.....what channels you have available in the 'channels' table
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[12:55:00] nuxil: 2
[12:55:00] nuxil: 2 channels
[12:55:00] nuxil: i need to do this
[12:55:00] nuxil: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8289
[12:55:00] nuxil: i need to add em manualy
[12:56:00] rsdvd: are you using a mythfilldatabase command? this normally creates your channels for you
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[13:20:00] nuxil: hmm i can only get 1 channel in
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[13:23:00] nuxil: so let me get this strait..when i run mythtv-setup and select the channel inputs.. and set the freq for emm .. after that all i should need to do is.. :
[13:23:00] nuxil: /usr/bin/tv_grab_no --configure --config-file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mycard.xmlt
[13:23:00] nuxil: /usr/bin/tv_grab_no --config-file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mycard.xmltv
[13:23:00] nuxil: mythfilldatabase
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[13:35:00] nuxil: guys could you help me out
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[13:49:00] nuxil: the support here suxz
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[13:50:00] juski: nuxil: nice attitude you got there. hope nobody helps you ;-)
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[13:51:00] nuxil: juski haha.. you dont need to hope.. i aint getting any support here anyway
[13:52:00] nuxil: juski and dont complain about my attitude.. yours aint much better saying what you sayd
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[13:53:00] juski: yeh okay. whatever
[13:54:00] nuxil: and who wrote that tv_grab_no.. he should be shoot :P
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[14:10:00] Cromz: juski, http://www.pnphotography.com/img/camera.jpg rather then the cannon one? lol :) j/k
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[14:13:00] juski: no more theme work for the time being. got sick of supporting it ;-)
[14:14:00] Cromz: aww dont' be mad guy..
[14:14:00] Cromz: :)
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[14:16:00] Merlin83b: nuxil: Ever used open source software before?
[14:16:00] ** laga pats juski on the back **
[14:16:00] laga: take it easy. :)
[14:17:00] juski: all I said was .. taking a break.. ;-)
[14:17:00] Cromz: heh
[14:18:00] laga: juski: i was referring to nuxil ;)
[14:18:00] juski: heheh
[14:19:00] synthetiq: would this be possible, setting up a mythtv server, that grabs satelite and cable, that can be viewed on tv in a nieghborhood of homes?.... basicly, stealing cable and satelite , but the ability to view both
[14:19:00] laga: stealing is not supported.
[14:19:00] juski: f.o.a.d would seem an appropriate acronym right now
[14:19:00] synthetiq: well it will be paid for
[14:20:00] juski: one paid for subscription covers one household, generally
[14:20:00] synthetiq: what if its a dorm building
[14:20:00] juski: take it up with the content provider
[14:20:00] synthetiq: well i want to know if myth tv can some how mux those two services
[14:21:00] juski: I'm sure you can come to an arrangement
[14:21:00] juski: blah blah .. redistribution.. etc
[14:21:00] synthetiq: my peeve is that cable doesnt offer certain channels and same for satellite
[14:22:00] Merlin83b: Technically, MythTV can grab from two different sources synthetiq, yes.
[14:22:00] Merlin83b: The legality of what you're doing is up to you.
[14:23:00] synthetiq: so how are the channels distributed
[14:23:00] Merlin83b: Magically.
[14:23:00] Merlin83b: Go set it up and play.
[14:23:00] Merlin83b: Or read the docs.
[14:23:00] synthetiq: will the first source go 1–70 and the scond 71–140
[14:23:00] juski: synthetiq: put it this way, at the moment the way mythtv works you'll need a tuner card _per_ user who wants to watch live tv
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[14:31:00] juski: I think mytbburn has a lot to answer for with my current state of mind. why can't I just give up & leave it?
[14:31:00] juski: somebody else's problem (tm)
[14:31:00] laga: hehe
[14:32:00] ** laga generates a SEP field **
[14:33:00] juski: if $base_distro != "knoppmyth" make_segfault
[14:34:00] laga: well, it works on my debian sarge boxen. that's probably related to the fact that knoppmyth is debian-ish :)
[14:34:00] laga: juski: you could try and get the mjpeg5tools fromd ebian and install them locally somewhere, maybe in your hom edir
[14:34:00] juski: plan :)
[14:35:00] laga: that's hackish, but it may work
[14:35:00] laga: and mythburn itself is a hack, so *shrug*
[14:35:00] juski: the whole thing is a hack, you're not wrong
[14:35:00] laga: hehe
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[14:42:00] Merlin83b: If you have several transcoders set up, is there a way to choose which one gets used when you hit "begin transcoding"?
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[14:55:00] juski: no idea there
[14:57:00] laga: Merlin83b: if you find out, please let us now. that's been bugging me for ages. i believe you can set a transcoder *before* you record, but that's umm not the way to go, imho
[14:57:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, you can set it up in utils/setup -> recording profiles -> transcoders but that's a lot to do if sometimes I want to do lossless to cut out ads and sometimes want to compress to DivX.
[14:57:00] Merlin83b: I can't see another way.
[14:58:00] juski: btw laga are you gonna email the candidates or shall I?
[14:58:00] laga: juski: i thought coume was gonna do that? anyways, i'm extremely short on time these days, so it's time for another SEP field ;)
[14:59:00] juski: I'll do it when I get home then
[15:00:00] juski: coume said he was off a-travelln' again ;-)
[15:01:00] laga: hehe
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[15:01:00] laga: juski: it's possible that i'll get to be uncle some time during the day, that's why i'm busy ;)
[15:02:00] juski: ahhh
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[15:05:00] Kelerion: juski: just called that company I showed you the camera for last night.. 105 quid for cam.. 15 quid for 15m cable.. 5 quid power supply and 7.50 delivery.. 132quid total.. sound about right?
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[15:06:00] Kelerion: gonna order it tomorrow for a next day delivery
[15:06:00] Kelerion: so I get to play on wed
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[15:07:00] juski: Kelerion: cool :-)
[15:07:00] Kelerion: I don't need anything super professional.. just something to catch some kids and that I can show the police
[15:08:00] juski: a big hole in the ground covered by a thin tarp ;-)
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: What are the kids doing ?
[15:08:00] Kelerion: I rang them up.. told them what it was for.. and he suggested the camera I'd bookmarked
[15:08:00] laga: what are the kids...dammit, he always beats me to it
[15:08:00] Kelerion: smashing my windows
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: ack!
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: Did you get into some tiff with them or something ?
[15:08:00] Kelerion: had to replace the half a dozen times in the last year or so
[15:08:00] laga: smashing the windows? ouch
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: That's gotta be expensive
[15:08:00] Kelerion: nah.. just smartass kids
[15:09:00] Kelerion: I can't catch 'em.. they're too quick for me.. I'm a big fella.. lol
[15:09:00] GreyFoxx: That sort of thing just begs for a public caning
[15:09:00] laga: hehe
[15:09:00] laga: i actually had leather belts in mind, but canes work as well
[15:09:00] ivor: Kelerion: price seems about right for a retail package. could build a mini-board camera for a bit less (~£30).
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[15:09:00] juski: flogging, followed by a quick neutering
[15:09:00] GreyFoxx: The main thing is that the humiliation needs to be public and get harsher with each offense
[15:10:00] juski: but what about their 'human rights' the EU keep bleating on about?
[15:10:00] Kelerion: I've had the police around a dozen times.. they don't do squidly.. but now they have got the "Neighbourhood" police in.. they turned up last night.. mod handed.. a dozen of them at my door.. lol
[15:10:00] laga: GreyFoxx: not very human ;)
[15:10:00] Kelerion: neighbours but have thought I was in trouble.. lol
[15:11:00] ivor: ..borrow a doberman.
[15:11:00] Kelerion: I have 4 dogs already.. I know no-one is gonna break in.. but that doesn't stop them smashing windows
[15:11:00] GreyFoxx: laga/Juski: I'm not talking torture, eventually survival instints and common sense come into play and they realize "I don't like being spanked in public.... maybe I should changce my behaviour"
[15:12:00] juski: I'd be fine with the idea of torturing em
[15:12:00] Kelerion: not the kids around here.. they consider punishment as a medal they can show off to their mates
[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: The only reason most people do the stuff they do is because they fear no restribution, plus what they do get is all soft n fluffy
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[15:12:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: Ok, public display where they are forced to dress up in an outfit like a girls doll, wear make up and dance around to barney music
[15:12:00] laga: GreyFoxx: still not very human. spanking in public is humiliating
[15:13:00] GreyFoxx: laga: That's the idea
[15:13:00] Kelerion: My wife made me buy a decent air-rifle.. but when I did and showed her just how powerful they actually are.. she changed her mind.. lol
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[15:13:00] Kelerion: GreyFoxx: now *that* might work.. lol
[15:13:00] GreyFoxx: It's kind of like how we learn NOT to touch the pot on the stove because it's hot enough to burn you
[15:13:00] laga: gee, thanks. greyfoxx gets us a new generation X (generation crossdresser)
[15:13:00] Kelerion: lol
[15:14:00] laga: hell, what'd chilhood be without stupid things. i was a bad kid. no window-smashing, though ;)
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Of course, getting away for some stuff and being a jerk is part of growing up. But once you cross the line you need to know it
[15:15:00] juski: I was a hell-raiser too – never damaged anyone's actual property though
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: I think we all were
[15:15:00] ivor: I wasn't
[15:15:00] ivor: :)
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: I did lots of stuff (no property damage) that shouyld have gotten me in trouble
[15:15:00] laga: ivor: no drinking, no girls, no yelling during the nnight when you were pissed? ;)
[15:16:00] ivor: nah, I do that now instead.
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[15:17:00] laga: hehe. works for me ;)
[15:18:00] Kelerion: if I go out and confront these kids.. they stay no closer than 20 feet and then start lobbing bricks at me
[15:18:00] ivor: Kelerion: nice.
[15:19:00] laga: a paintball marker might do the trick
[15:19:00] Kelerion: if I could get my hands on em they'd know about it.. but I can't catch em.. lol
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[15:19:00] Kelerion: some of them are as young as 10!
[15:19:00] laga: you should be able to get them, then. ;)
[15:20:00] Kelerion: they can run damn quick
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: A Paintball gun would be nifty
[15:20:00] ** Kelerion considers that **
[15:20:00] ivor: fire small pieces of steak
[15:20:00] Kelerion: do they hurt enough?
[15:20:00] laga: GreyFoxx: hurts like hell on somwe parts of the body.
[15:20:00] ivor: and let the dogs out
[15:20:00] laga: Kelerion: well, aim low...
[15:20:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Again, exactly :)
[15:20:00] Kelerion: lol
[15:20:00] Kelerion: and the girls are worse too
[15:21:00] GreyFoxx: I've had my share of paintball welts :)
[15:21:00] ivor: move house?
[15:21:00] juski: pity their parents didn't use rubbers isn't it?
[15:21:00] Kelerion: I ain't gonna let the little shits run me out of my house
[15:21:00] rtsai: Kelerion: sorry. But even if you catch them on camera, if they're parents don't care, there's probably not much you can do. Some people on my parents' street have been getting their houses toilet-papered.
[15:21:00] ** laga imagines the kids takling: 'hey, i'm bored, let's go and smash that old guy's windows' **
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: So, do thery just do this to your house ? Or are there other people being affected?
[15:22:00] Kelerion: hence the camera.. once I have evidence, so the police say, they can put anti-social behaviour orders on them and then if they even walk past the house.. they can be arrested
[15:22:00] Kelerion: others too
[15:22:00] rtsai: what country are you in?
[15:22:00] Kelerion: uk
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: Surely enough complaints from you and neighbours on those kids would be enough ?
[15:22:00] rtsai: didn't you say they were like 10 or something?
[15:22:00] juski: it's not that long since my car windscreen got a brick through it. neighbour was having a party, unloading beer from his car... kids asked for some, he told em where to go, so they started lobbling bricks at cars
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: And just showing the records of 12 replaced windows
[15:22:00] Kelerion: between 10 and 16
[15:23:00] rtsai: and 10year olds can go to jail?
[15:23:00] Kelerion: they can be arrested
[15:23:00] GreyFoxx: 10 year olds can get arrested and go to Juvie
[15:23:00] juski: holiday camp, you mean?
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: Nor like University for punks, where they meet and solcialize with other punks and learn the tricks of the trade for later use when released :)
[15:24:00] laga: GreyFoxx: sounds like jail to me ;)
[15:24:00] juski: we've been soft-soaping offenders for far too long.. damn politically correct do-gooder arseholes
[15:24:00] Kelerion: also.. if the parents don't do anything. .and most of them live in council houses.. they can be kicked out because of their kids
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: council houses ?
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: Like Welfare housing ?
[15:24:00] Kelerion: kinda
[15:25:00] directhex|work: essentially
[15:25:00] juski: Kelerion: yeh, but the state has an 'obligation' to house them somewhere so they just end up taking the problem elsewhere
[15:25:00] Kelerion: so let them be moved to a estate when the houses are boarded up..
[15:26:00] juski: (adopts social worker voice).. but what about the poor children? will somebody think of the poor children!
[15:26:00] Kelerion: lol
[15:26:00] directhex|work: Prison Chaplain: What's it going to be, eh? Is it going to be in and out of institutions like this? Well, more in and out for most of ya! Or are you going to attend to the Divine Word and realise the punishments that await unrepentant sinners in the next world as well as this? A lot of idiots you are, selling your own birthright for a saucer of cold porridge! The thrill of theft! Of violence! The urge to live easy!
[15:30:00] laga: at my age, i'm probably too much of an idealist, butn the best way would probably be to have the parents prevent such things. or keep those kids busy or something
[15:31:00] juski: or.. (shock!) bring them up responsibly !!!
[15:31:00] directhex|work: laws are continually being changed to prevent adults from disciplining children, and modern life is such that most parents wouldn't given the option
[15:32:00] directhex|work: after all, the kids're off playing video games – why bother parenting them?
[15:32:00] juski: hmmm
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: And add in the fact that people are expected to work longer hours
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: AND be available after hours
[15:32:00] laga: i never got spanked. i wonder if that makes me a bad guy.
[15:32:00] GreyFoxx: There are a lot of a factors
[15:33:00] GreyFoxx: I was spanked once, and I laughed at my mom during the whole thing "is that as hard as you can hit" ?
[15:33:00] juski: I hardly ever needed to be disciplined, but it worked
[15:33:00] GreyFoxx: But she cried when doing it, and THAT is what made me realize what I had done was wrong
[15:33:00] juski: saying that, I am one hell of a bitter bastard now
[15:33:00] directhex|work: well spaking's illegal
[15:33:00] directhex|work: soo...
[15:34:00] laga: juski: hehehe ;)
[15:34:00] GreyFoxx: There is a hell of a big difference imho between a spanking and a beating
[15:34:00] juski: true.. but not in the eyes of the courts
[15:34:00] directhex|work: not in the law, not anymore
[15:34:00] juski: even withdrawing privileges could be illegal soon
[15:35:00] GreyFoxx: That's ridiculous
[15:35:00] directhex|work: the law is *broken* wrt kids
[15:35:00] directhex|work: i mean, am i the only one who thinks the education system is messed up?
[15:35:00] ** juski is starting to think this is all a very good way to lead us into anarchy.. let society crumble, then 'fix' it **
[15:36:00] ivor: the trouble is a lot of those kids causing trouble throwing bricks etc.. probably ARE in fact being beaten by their fathers.
[15:36:00] directhex|work: blair seems determined to stamp out any form of selection at school, ensuring the shit-stupid and geniuses end up with identical qualifications
[15:36:00] GreyFoxx: ivor: In many cases that is probably the unfortunate truth
[15:36:00] directhex|work: quadrupling the cost of higher education is meant to *stop* only rich people from going? O_o
[15:39:00] juski: the more I think about my cosy conspiracy theory, the more it fits ;-)
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[15:39:00] Arkkis: hehe
[15:40:00] juski: we'll be ripe for the NWO to come into full effect by then
[15:41:00] rjune: not all of us
[15:41:00] directhex|work: juski, whose NWO? is that the PNAC one, the MJ12 one, or what?
[15:42:00] rjune: the MI-5 version
[15:42:00] directhex|work: they lack the imagination
[15:42:00] rjune: FEMA?
[15:43:00] juski: I'm curious as to the real purpose of our government putting cameras every quarter mile on our motorways.. using number plate recognition systems...
[15:43:00] directhex|work: unless they're owned by the knights templar!
[15:43:00] juski: and ID cards with embedded RFID tags
[15:43:00] rjune: juski: it's for the children
[15:44:00] directhex|work: juski, they're actually not aimed at the cars – join the dots between them, and it draws a big occult symbol of power
[15:44:00] juski: ahh that's ok then
[15:44:00] directhex|work: yog sothoth will rise!
[15:45:00] juski: & David Icke will have little to say apart from "see, I told you so!"
[15:45:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[15:46:00] ** juski hides under the desk upon seeing a lizard-piloted black helcopter outside **
[15:47:00] directhex|work: juski, there are A∴A∴ agents under the table
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[15:49:00] rjune: who is david icke?
[15:49:00] juski: rjune: google for him.. he's hilarious
[15:49:00] Kelerion: why don't most cctv cameras tell you what speed (fps) they record at?
[15:49:00] juski: Kelerion.. cos most are PAL, that's why
[15:49:00] juski: or NTSC
[15:50:00] Kelerion: so they record at 25fps?
[15:50:00] juski: and actual performance depends on lots of things.. for network cameras I mean
[15:50:00] juski: Kelerion: they update at 25fps
[15:50:00] Kelerion: ok
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[15:51:00] juski: network cameras are a different kettle of fishies though ;-)
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[15:51:00] juski: fps is inversely proportional to image size/quality & network speed
[15:51:00] Kelerion: I'd get better results from one that just plugged directly into a capture card though.. right?
[15:51:00] juski: Kelerion: probably yeh
[15:52:00] Kelerion: good.. thats what I settled on
[15:52:00] juski: get a 500 lines res. camera & you're sorted
[15:52:00] juski: good for grabbing shots of 'rods' too :-P
[15:53:00] Kelerion: rods?
[15:53:00] juski: google...
[15:53:00] Kelerion: oh.. ufo rods?
[15:53:00] juski: another really daft phenomenon that rednecks capture on their camcorders
[15:57:00] ** Merlin83b compiles new mythtv **
[15:57:00] Merlin83b: Since some problems should have been fixed in the latest couple of checkins :-)
[15:57:00] juski: dvb changes?
[15:58:00] Merlin83b: That takes ages to start up and change chanenls stuff.
[15:59:00] juski: tuning to unoccupied channels causing problems etc...
[15:59:00] Merlin83b: Not sure on the unoccupied thing, but 1229 and 942
[16:00:00] Merlin83b: 1219, too.
[16:00:00] Merlin83b: (Trac tickets)
[16:00:00] Merlin83b: I should test that unoccupied channel thing again. Tune to a part time channel while it's broadcasting leave livetv, go back to watch tv when it's not.
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[16:01:00] juski: I'll have a look later, cheers
[16:01:00] Merlin83b: Yay ccache. Built already.
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[16:21:00] Kelerion: anyone know a decent app for capturing from a camera? I don't watch motion capture.. just steady recording that can overlay date/time etc
[16:21:00] Kelerion: watch=want
[16:22:00] ** Kelerion checks freshmeat **
[16:22:00] scopeuk: so you want a survalience system
[16:22:00] Kelerion: I want an app to capture from a /dev/video device and overlay date/time
[16:23:00] GreyFoxx: Personally I'd use a camera, a pvr card, and hack up myth to record 24/7 in one hour "shows"
[16:23:00] scopeuk: you want to permenantly record or jsut when there is motion
[16:23:00] juski: there's a brilliant linux cctv recorder
[16:23:00] Kelerion: I was thinking about that GreyFoxx: but I wouldn't be able to get the time overlay
[16:24:00] juski: btw time overlay is no use unless it's verifiable
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: Put them in their own playgroup, with a auto expiry after say 72 "recordings" so you keep 3 days worth
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: Exactly
[16:24:00] GreyFoxx: put a clock in the view of the camera hehe
[16:24:00] scopeuk: my survalience gear has two speerate time stamps by two sperate pieces of harware
[16:24:00] juski: chances are any video evidence won't be of use to present in court
[16:25:00] Kelerion: probably true
[16:25:00] juski: all the cops will use it for will be to identify the perps in the 1st place
[16:25:00] scopeuk: no but its of use if your car gets stolen/broken into
[16:25:00] GreyFoxx: If ti shows them smashing his windows, regardless of timestamp it will be useful
[16:25:00] Kelerion: juski: yup.. thats what they said
[16:25:00] juski: Kelerion: what did they advise you w.r.t. privacy laws?
[16:26:00] Kelerion: they didn't
[16:26:00] Kelerion: "if you can afford one – we'd suggest getting a cctv camera" was about the extent of it
[16:26:00] juski: find out before putting the camera up – last thing you want is one of the little bastards suing for breaching his human rights
[16:26:00] GreyFoxx: Put a sign up "you are being watched you little shits"
[16:26:00] Kelerion: lol
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: Then they have been warned
[16:27:00] juski: that's discriminatory – what if they can't read?
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: Too bad for them :)
[16:27:00] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: someone gets to fall through the cracks :)
[16:27:00] Kelerion: juski: checked google and freshmeat.. you happen to know the name of that app?
[16:27:00] juski: that's why they're doing the damage – they're angry because their mummy didn't teach them to read ;-)
[16:27:00] scopeuk: in uk as long as it doesent cover public property or you mire the public property you cna do whatever you like
[16:28:00] scopeuk: if it goes onto yourneigbours property you neeed there permision
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[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: If they are being victimized too they will likely agree
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[16:28:00] Kelerion: I know the neighbours.. that wouldn't be a problem
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[16:29:00] scopeuk: we put on of or cameras on next door after someone tried steelign hte wheels offthee car
[16:29:00] scopeuk: we got the plates
[16:29:00] scopeuk: dotn think anything happened though
[16:29:00] juski: god, you talk to the neighbours? you sure you live in the UK?
[16:29:00] scopeuk: yeh i know
[16:30:00] scopeuk: it was uk last tiem i cheacked :-p
[16:30:00] Kelerion: as soon as he found out I knew about comps yeah.. I became the local Accidental Techie
[16:30:00] scopeuk: its suburbia
[16:30:00] scopeuk: thats familier
[16:30:00] scopeuk: unfurtunately means i have doen lots of truble shooting on various flavours of windows
[16:30:00] scopeuk: not much linux though
[16:30:00] juski: I bet
[16:30:00] Kelerion: yup.. same here
[16:30:00] juski: money to be made though eh? ;-)
[16:31:00] ** laga hides from the neighbours ;) **
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: I don't tell people, then they don't ask me :)
[16:31:00] Kelerion: favors to be had
[16:31:00] scopeuk: next door one side is a little excentric buthes fienother wise (rest of family is fien 2) and oither side we dotn see much but when we do we talk
[16:31:00] scopeuk: hey record is 20 poutnds for 30 mins work fixing a pc
[16:31:00] GreyFoxx: And my family (other than the immediate family) have been told that the only time they are to call me for computer help is if they are ready to pay $125 an hour
[16:31:00] scopeuk: nice
[16:31:00] scopeuk: i dont mind it
[16:32:00] scopeuk: experience is always handy
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: my parents/sister/grandmother that doesn't apply, but the rest gotta shell out the money
[16:32:00] scopeuk: lol
[16:32:00] GreyFoxx: It's more deterrant than an attempt at profit
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[16:32:00] scopeuk: i dont usualy charge formaly btu people give me money for it any way
[16:32:00] scopeuk: and i get free food
[16:32:00] Kelerion: I have family that I do comp support for.. and they *still* charge me if I ask them to drive me anywhere! lol
[16:32:00] scopeuk: dotn have that issue
[16:32:00] scopeuk: free transport fromall know relatives
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: I have a huge family and they use to flood me with calls and "demands" on my time
[16:33:00] scopeuk: and most friends
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: finally I got sick of it
[16:33:00] scopeuk: i have small extended family
[16:33:00] scopeuk: so i dont need too
[16:33:00] scopeuk: there all prety good
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[16:33:00] directhex|work: i sort my other half's pc, and my little sister's pc. both are xp, but with apps like firefox & openoffice
[16:33:00] scopeuk: grandparents non internet pc used as a type writer
[16:33:00] GreyFoxx: On my mothers side there are 30 aunts/uncles, and arouind 70 cousins
[16:33:00] directhex|work: i won't help with my dad's pc, which uses msie & oe & so on
[16:33:00] scopeuk: ouch
[16:33:00] scopeuk: argh yo usee
[16:34:00] scopeuk: all our computers have ff ie and opera
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[16:34:00] Kelerion: sod it.. will setup a pc as a slave backend and record it like GreyFoxx suggested
[16:34:00] scopeuk: every one else lieks ie for somereason
[16:34:00] Kelerion: the pc in that room is already a frontend anyways
[16:34:00] scopeuk: is it possible to configure a back end withougha capture device in it?
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: Honestly it wouldn't be too hard to hackup fake listings in 1 hour chunks, set them all to record in their own playgroup and expire after 72 recordings or whatever so you don'
[16:34:00] GreyFoxx: t have too many
[16:35:00] Kelerion: yup.. sounds easy enough
[16:36:00] Kelerion: I only need to record between 5pm and 11pm.. so I only need one program thats 6 hours long.. and set up a custom record on that channel to record every day
[16:36:00] juski: ding! done :-)
[16:36:00] GreyFoxx: yep
[16:36:00] juski: I've got a 4 channel DVR lying round somewhere
[16:37:00] juski: next project.. get that set up... it's all work work work at my house
[16:37:00] Merlin83b: It's not all work work work!
[16:39:00] juski: well no, not work work.. just extra-curricular ;-)
[16:39:00] scopeuk: i wanan get a myth box up and runnign but i cant fidn my 60 gig and im startign to think i may ahve miss read a lable on a drive
[16:40:00] scopeuk: all i can find is 4 4.3 gig ones
[16:40:00] scopeuk: even all them together stil lisent enguh storage
[16:40:00] scopeuk: and id rarther nto go steelign drives out of sisters pc ect
[16:41:00] Merlin83b: So buy one, scopeuk.
[16:42:00] scopeuk: id love to honestly but i dotn ahve that sort of cash lying round
[16:42:00] scopeuk: can myth compe with a smb share mounted as a drive to save too?
[16:42:00] GreyFoxx: Sure
[16:42:00] scopeuk: interesting
[16:43:00] scopeuk: think the family pc has about 60 gig free
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: Myth wont know anything about it being remote
[16:43:00] scopeuk: yeh
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: It just writes to where you tell it to write
[16:43:00] scopeuk: its sub 1 ms ping between the boxes and 10/100 network conection so id guess thats sufficient right?
[16:43:00] scopeuk: this is acutauly getting interesting
[16:43:00] GreyFoxx: certainly
[16:43:00] scopeuk: now i gotta figure how to make that bloody hub quiet
[16:44:00] scopeuk: its an intell rack mount effort and tis stupidly loud
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[16:44:00] scopeuk: anyone got any experience mounting smb partions under knoppmyth?
[16:45:00] scopeuk: jsut seams like it mgiht be quicker than messing with a full distro first
[16:45:00] scopeuk: im still a bit of a linux beginer
[16:46:00] scopeuk: vlc aint likeing qemu lol
[16:46:00] scopeuk: seams to have recovered
[16:49:00] scopeuk: damn theres only 156 gig free not 60 as first expected
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[16:49:00] scopeuk: how much spacee will myth need to jsut the basics withough storing any recordings
[16:49:00] Merlin83b: One of your 4.3GB drives will be fine for that, scopeuk.
[16:49:00] directhex|work: more than enough
[16:50:00] scopeuk: ok
[16:50:00] scopeuk: tat will be sweet
[16:50:00] scopeuk: might do that later or maby tomoz
[16:51:00] scopeuk: humm a thoguh htis me
[16:52:00] scopeuk: i could setup a schedualed task to re encode all the backend files whilst on the remote system
[16:52:00] scopeuk: set it to run at 2 am or somethign
[16:52:00] scopeuk: and stop at 9
[16:52:00] scopeuk: or maby 8
[16:52:00] scopeuk: 6 hours a night on a 1.3 ghz duron should get a fair bit done
[16:52:00] scopeuk: althoguh i knwo you guys probably dont liek windows schedualing
[16:53:00] scopeuk: tehrs now 16 gig free :-p
[16:53:00] scopeuk: im cleanign up over network
[16:53:00] scopeuk: so much odl crap
[16:53:00] scopeuk: who needs a version of avg free from 2002
[16:54:00] laga: dude, your spelling hurts my brain. would someone think of the non-native speakers?
[16:54:00] laga: :/
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[16:54:00] scopeuk: sorry
[16:54:00] scopeuk: my typing and spellign are awfull
[16:55:00] scopeuk: jsut poitn out when i get to the point of no return
[16:55:00] scopeuk: just point*
[16:55:00] ** scopeuk googles for a windows irc client wit ha spell cheacker **
[16:56:00] scopeuk: humm i notice my sisterescomputer is on alot of the time too
[16:57:00] scopeuk: could sponge somedisc space off there
[16:58:00] laga: scopeuk: maybe gaim will do the trick for you
[16:58:00] laga: not sure if the windows version has a spell checker, though
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[17:00:00] Arkkis: scopeuk, try reading your line before hitting the enter key :)
[17:00:00] scopeuk: yeh
[17:00:00] scopeuk: i get carried away
[17:00:00] scopeuk: lost track of my typing and get into the conversation
[17:01:00] Krazylegz: laga: Yes, Gaim for Windows supports spell checking, but you have to enable it and install ASpell Win32.
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[17:02:00] scopeuk: maby i can find a bnc with it
[17:02:00] scopeuk: i quite like my client
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[17:03:00] laga: bouncer with spell checking? not sure how that'd work
[17:04:00] scopeuk: message in cheack spellign message out send back a message without it
[17:04:00] scopeuk: or maby jsut an auto corrector for my common mistakes
[17:05:00] scopeuk: something like auto text in word
[17:08:00] scopeuk: im using icechat merlin
[17:08:00] Merlin83b: I know :-)
[17:08:00] scopeuk: i dident knwo if i changed it
[17:08:00] scopeuk: funney when you do and the script kidies try to attack your mric
[17:11:00] Arkkis: dude, seriously, are you from uk? And english is your native language? How old are you?
[17:12:00] scopeuk: from uk english native speaker and im 18
[17:12:00] scopeuk: i know my typing and spelling are awful
[17:12:00] Arkkis: well, you're right :)
[17:12:00] scopeuk: some of it is dyslexia but its mostly lazyness (typing that is)
[17:13:00] Arkkis: I see
[17:13:00] laga: please correct that laziness. takling to you is no fun :/
[17:13:00] scopeuk: my hand writing sucks ass too
[17:13:00] scopeuk: ok
[17:13:00] scopeuk: i shall atempt too
[17:13:00] laga: thanks :)
[17:13:00] scopeuk: if i start sliping let me know and il correct it
[17:13:00] scopeuk: that goes for any one here
[17:14:00] Arkkis: ok, the last line with no spelling errors was the "ok" one
[17:14:00] Arkkis: ;)
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[17:15:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[17:15:00] Merlin83b: It should be noted that my handwriting is awful, but my spelling and grammar are good.
[17:15:00] Merlin83b: Handwriting is no excuse.
[17:16:00] laga: scribbles == good
[17:16:00] Kelerion: scope.. if your using a windows share as a remote storage.. make sure you take into account the 2gb limit on some versions of samba
[17:20:00] scopeuk: its runnign on an ntfs system and the "server" will be on xp pro sp2
[17:20:00] scopeuk: runing*
[17:20:00] Kelerion: doesn't matter.. the problem is in some versions of samba
[17:20:00] scopeuk: h on client
[17:20:00] scopeuk: got you
[17:21:00] scopeuk: thgouh you meant samba as a procal
[17:21:00] Kelerion: if you get that problem the solution is compile samba with large_block_support or something like that
[17:21:00] scopeuk: ok
[17:21:00] scopeuk: if that happens ill just give up
[17:21:00] Kelerion: lol
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[17:21:00] scopeuk: last time i tired compiling something to add extra suport it just wouldent build properly
[17:22:00] Merlin83b: Tried, wouldn't.
[17:22:00] Kelerion: I've tried the same thing before.. my desktop has about 450gb free at any given time.. so thought it was worth a shot.. and thats xp pro too
[17:22:00] Merlin83b: 450GB?!??
[17:22:00] Merlin83b: Good god man.
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[17:23:00] scopeuk: that is extream
[17:23:00] Merlin83b: Extreme.
[17:23:00] scopeuk: you have more spare than every computer in my house has in total
[17:23:00] scopeuk: thanks merlin although it is midly irritating
[17:23:00] Merlin83b: Mildly.
[17:23:00] Merlin83b: Now you know how we feel.
[17:24:00] laga: go for that spell checker, boy ;)
[17:24:00] Kelerion: http://www.computerelectronics.co.uk/acatalog/6a-2.jpg
[17:24:00] Kelerion: thats my pc
[17:24:00] juski: 450GB free? hmmm... I've got a bit more than that in my backend now
[17:24:00] Kelerion: first and last computer I'll ever buy ready made though
[17:24:00] Kelerion: full of ATI junk
[17:24:00] scopeuk: i only self build now last full system was brought 7 years ago
[17:25:00] Kelerion: I had 500gb in my backend.. although it's permanently full.. thank goodness for autoexpire.. lol
[17:25:00] Arkkis: juski, how much do you have on your backend?
[17:25:00] juski: Kelerion: that's a double-wossname... just say one or the other – they both mean the same ;-)
[17:25:00] laga: Kelerion: did it come with those three displays?
[17:25:00] Kelerion: yup
[17:25:00] juski: Arkiss: erm. just 750GB
[17:25:00] Kelerion: sitting in front of them now
[17:25:00] laga: teh spiff
[17:25:00] Kelerion: but.. I cannot for the life of me get linux working on it properly
[17:25:00] kormoc: ooh?
[17:25:00] laga: ouch :/
[17:25:00] juski: no wait.. 910GB
[17:26:00] Merlin83b: Heh, I ordered the stuff for my proper system and have gone for either 200 or 250GB, I don't remember.
[17:26:00] Merlin83b: I may add more later but probably not :-)
[17:26:00] Kelerion: the ati drivers will segfault if you load 'em twice.. for two cards
[17:26:00] juski: I'm more likely to take a disk or 2 out to be honest
[17:26:00] Arkkis: I have only 420GB
[17:26:00] kormoc: Kelerion, that's correct, cause you don't load them twice for two cards...
[17:27:00] Arkkis: but that's because I'm using ye old ide's as I'm upgrading gradually
[17:27:00] juski: be ruthless with my dvd rips.. it's very rare I watcha film more than a couple of times anyway
[17:27:00] Kelerion: well.. not "load".. specify them in xorg.conf
[17:27:00] laga: juski: dvd rips? i did that all the time, but then i figured it's pointless to rip DVDs when i hburn recordings. for DVD backupsm, check k9copy
[17:28:00] kormoc: Kelerion, that's not true then, as I do that here perfectly fine
[17:28:00] Kelerion: hmm
[17:28:00] Kelerion: didn't when I tried it 2 months ago with their drivers
[17:28:00] kormoc: Kelerion, if you wanna post your xorg.conf and x log file up somewhere, I'd be happy to take a quick gander at them
[17:28:00] Kelerion: will do that.. thanks.. when I next try linux on this machine.. in a week or so
[17:29:00] kormoc: no problems.
[17:29:00] Kelerion: I've noticed a couple of updated to the ati drivers.. so was hoping it'd fix the problem
[17:29:00] Kelerion: 1 card with 2 monitors.. and another card (onboard) for the 3rd monitor
[17:29:00] ** kormoc nods **
[17:30:00] Kelerion: kids are back.. brb
[17:30:00] juski: laga: not _just_ DVD rips, but I have a lot of stuff I like to have lying close at hand
[17:31:00] Arkkis: someone invent the timemachine and get me like 24more hours per day
[17:32:00] Arkkis: I'm looking at a 33point checklist of the "urgent" tasks I need to do at home after work+school
[17:32:00] Arkkis: ..and yet here I am ircing..hmm, maybe if I'd stop this and start doing stuff..
[17:33:00] scopeuk: welcome to my world
[17:33:00] scopeuk: although the urgent list is clean atm thank goodness
[17:33:00] juski: time management isn't one of my strong points
[17:33:00] scopeuk: mine eith
[17:33:00] scopeuk: either*
[17:34:00] scopeuk: managing my time is a job for someone else gues i need to get a pa or maby dig out my palm top
[17:34:00] juski: that was why I bought a Psion5 I never used
[17:34:00] juski: :-P
[17:34:00] juski: £400 wasted
[17:35:00] scopeuk: mine was a £50 palm m100 now worth £10 if that
[17:35:00] scopeuk: 2 meg of ram and not alot else
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[17:38:00] juski: I used to think people who use PDAs need palm combs more than anything else ;-)
[17:39:00] scopeuk: lol
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[17:41:00] juski: that was before I'd ever met a mobile phone salesman though
[17:42:00] scopeuk: :D
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[17:54:00] scopeuk: ok whats the best way for a beginer to setup myth preferably in about an hour
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[17:55:00] kormoc: scopeuk, knoppimyth
[17:55:00] juski: a beginner 'hour' or a real hour? (as in Sams books – teach yourself 'blah' in 24 hours)
[17:55:00] juski: ubuntu :-)
[17:56:00] scopeuk: yeh ive tried that but it alwasy dies at partitioning telling me that the drive is read only and i dont have write permisions
[17:56:00] scopeuk: a real hour
[17:56:00] juski: flat hdd to working system in less than 2 hours
[17:56:00] scopeuk: im resoanably accumplised at using installeds
[17:56:00] scopeuk: i have 1 lol
[17:56:00] scopeuk: and i have toeat
[17:56:00] scopeuk: b food jsut finished
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[17:58:00] juski: right.. time I wasn'
[17:58:00] juski: t here
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[17:58:00] scopeuk: ok
[17:58:00] scopeuk: l8r thanks for help
[17:58:00] scopeuk: im back
[17:58:00] scopeuk: ill do it tomorow i think
[17:59:00] sphing: l8r and back alll with in one min
[17:59:00] scopeuk: no rush and i wont make mistakes that i wil if i rush it
[17:59:00] sphing: OT: does x^3 + x + 1 = 0 have a real root
[17:59:00] scopeuk: plot it and see if it crosses the axis
[18:00:00] scopeuk: id say use discriminent but youed have to pull x out before that whould work
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[18:22:00] cosmo-: anyone using the shoutcast patch at http://eskil.org/mythtv/? it doesn't seem to compile
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[18:25:00] scopeuk: as always guys thanks forall the help and conversation
[18:25:00] scopeuk: im gonan start gaming shortly so i wont be around
[18:25:00] ** scopeuk doubts anyone cares **
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[18:27:00] AeSSeD: anyone use myth with cinergy 250 pci?
[18:30:00] AeSSeD: I don't hear the sound
[18:31:00] AeSSeD: with kdetv or mplayer I hear the sound
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[18:50:00] alpha_geek: /msg NickServ alpha_geek killasheep2
[18:50:00] laga: *cough*
[18:50:00] laga: you'd better change that password ;)
[18:50:00] alpha_geek: err yeah
[18:50:00] alpha_geek: aye
[18:50:00] alpha_geek: lol
[18:52:00] laga: BTW, you australian?
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[18:52:00] alpha_geek: lol no, but I can see why you would ask
[18:53:00] Juski: alpha_geek: you got mail ;-)
[18:53:00] laga: hehe
[18:53:00] laga: hi Juski
[18:53:00] alpha_geek: *checking*
[18:53:00] Juski: laga: just sent all the applicants a reply... 'we' will make an announcement when Mr Coume is back :-)
[18:53:00] Juski: hi laga :)
[18:54:00] laga: Juski: nice :)
[18:55:00] Juski: think something needs to be done about that tracker... my monday eyes aren't compatible with it... talk about info overload!
[18:55:00] beavis: anyone using SVN builds with DVB?
[18:55:00] Juski: beavis: I was... you need a EIT patch or 2 to make it bearable
[18:56:00] laga: Juski: won't be much better on saturday/sunday mornings
[18:56:00] Juski: now it's time to obey SWMBO... back soonish
[18:57:00] alpha_geek: juski: were you being serious
[18:57:00] laga: 'bout the email?
[18:58:00] alpha_geek: yeah
[18:58:00] cosmo-: beavis: i'm using
[18:58:00] beavis: are you using a current build?
[18:59:00] beavis: changing channels takes 30seconds
[18:59:00] alpha_geek: laga: yeah about the mail
[18:59:00] cosmo-: a few weeks old.. but i'm just compiling latest
[18:59:00] cosmo-: i'd like to get shoutcast working in music player
[19:00:00] laga: alpha_geek: wait a second, i need to wrap my head around this first..
[19:00:00] beavis: And since our logs are not wanted anymore in trac I'm asking here
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[19:03:00] laga: alpha_geek: sorry, i thought you were talking about the vacant moderator position. looks like i was wrong :)
[19:04:00] alpha_geek: laga: no!! I have not been here 5 min, not my place to be a moderator
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[19:06:00] alpha_geek: who can tell me a bit about what additional features are expected in 0.19?
[19:06:00] ** Beirdo throws a garden gnome at laga **
[19:06:00] xris: alpha_geek: too many to list/remember
[19:07:00] alpha_geek: i was just wondering if there was anything to get exited about
[19:07:00] alpha_geek: any cool new feature
[19:07:00] xris: I like the way the new livetv stuff works... stores recordings just like anything else.
[19:08:00] xris: and files now have the correct suffix.. no more mpegs with .nuv suffix
[19:08:00] AeSSeD: I have desync with audio
[19:08:00] alpha_geek: cool
[19:08:00] beavis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.19
[19:08:00] xris: alpha_geek: mythweb got a minor overhaul (with a major overhaul behind the scenes)
[19:09:00] xris: beavis: wow, someone actually typed it up
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[19:09:00] alpha_geek: i am still battling a colour problem running what I have got, so it is only realy a passing interest at the mo
[19:10:00] ** laga catches the gnome and puts it into the garden **
[19:10:00] laga: to the other ones
[19:10:00] meushi: wow
[19:10:00] alpha_geek: would be good to include myth video info in myth web
[19:10:00] meushi: the new features are nice
[19:11:00] alpha_geek: doing imdb nubers by hand for entire seasons, was a bit boaring
[19:12:00] alpha_geek: i am still looking for a way to call a script when i start up the tv card
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[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: alpha_geek: As in at system bootup? Or when you launch mythbackend ?
[19:16:00] GreyFoxx: Or do you mean when myth accesses the card to start a recording ?
[19:16:00] alpha_geek: when launching mythbackend
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: Well, if you just want it run before mythbackend starts just make a script around it and run your script first
[19:17:00] alpha_geek: i set the hue etc in the change cannel script at the mo, but when i first start live tv, or a recording the colour is off
[19:17:00] alpha_geek: arr!! okay
[19:17:00] alpha_geek: nice one
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: You can just update the values myth uses for each channel
[19:17:00] GreyFoxx: myth stores hue and other values per channel
[19:18:00] alpha_geek: i tryed that, but it didnt seem to do anything
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: you can edit them through mythtv-setup or update them enmass in the database
[19:18:00] Beirdo: eek
[19:18:00] Beirdo: I read that as enemas
[19:18:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:19:00] Beirdo: not QUITE what you meant
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: Whatever works ;)
[19:19:00] alpha_geek: with the script method, if my front end exits live tv, and plays music for a while then back to live tv, will that run the mythbackend script again?
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: no
[19:19:00] meushi: bad Beirdo!!
[19:19:00] alpha_geek: or will that be running the whole time?
[19:19:00] GreyFoxx: mythbackend is not run by the frontend
[19:19:00] alpha_geek: okay
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: it is completely seperate
[19:20:00] GreyFoxx: the backend "runs all the time"
[19:20:00] alpha_geek: so i am left with trying myth-set up agian, honestly, i did not give it much of a chance last time
[19:20:00] alpha_geek: okay
[19:20:00] alpha_geek: the only other alternative being the source code yeah?
[19:20:00] Beirdo: if you change settings in mythtv-setup, you will need to restart the backend
[19:21:00] alpha_geek: yeah i have found that out
[19:21:00] alpha_geek: okay
[19:21:00] alpha_geek: i bet that will sort it and i was just to lazy when i tried it last
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: Hrm.... if you edit a channels properties you shouldn't have to restart the backend
[19:22:00] laga: mythtv-setup shouldn't even be running
[19:22:00] Beirdo: I would do it just to be safe
[19:22:00] laga: err, the backend shouldn't be running when you use mythtv-setup
[19:22:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:22:00] alpha_geek: laga: i am just talking about changing the setting, it is not running all the time
[19:23:00] ** xris grumbles about the MCE keyboard not working in linu **
[19:23:00] xris: linux, eve
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[19:25:00] laga: xris: heya :) did you see #1216? just wondering :)
[19:26:00] xris: laga: hadn't checked for it.
[19:26:00] xris: was busy yesterday
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[19:27:00] laga: xris: :)
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[19:33:00] nuxil: erm.. i bet 100$ on that the guy who wrote mythtv comes from america..
[19:33:00] AeSSeD: I hear voice before video what is wrong?
[19:33:00] Beirdo: no bets on that, nuxil
[19:34:00] nuxil: erm.. its really missing a scannig tool for freq for europa..
[19:34:00] Beirdo: unless Ohio isn't in the US anymore of course
[19:34:00] Beirdo: so write one :)
[19:34:00] nuxil: only america have same freq on each channel
[19:34:00] Beirdo: yeah, only in North America did we STANDARDIZE our channels? :)
[19:35:00] nuxil: lol yea
[19:35:00] laga: nuxil: you can scan channels in SVN/0.19
[19:35:00] Beirdo: for once something we did right
[19:35:00] nuxil: lol indeed
[19:35:00] nuxil: laga are you sure
[19:35:00] laga: nuxil: well, it worked for my in germany with analog cable.
[19:35:00] laga: s/my7me7
[19:35:00] nuxil: ok.nice
[19:35:00] ** laga kicks the keyboard **
[19:36:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[19:36:00] xris: laga: my keyboard problems contagious?
[19:36:00] laga: xris: looks like it.
[19:36:00] laga: :7
[19:36:00] nuxil: laga i got anolog cable too,,
[19:36:00] laga: dammit
[19:36:00] ** Beirdo kicks ARS.pl **
[19:36:00] xris: and here I thought mine were just because of this stupid wrist brace
[19:36:00] Beirdo: compile, you beotch!
[19:37:00] nuxil: and i have real issues getting it to work.. bc it looks like i need to rewrite mythtv
[19:37:00] nuxil: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup
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[19:38:00] laga: Added support for scanning non-DVB/non-ATSC DTV channels – what does DTV mean?
[19:39:00] Beirdo: digital TV
[19:39:00] Beirdo: I believe
[19:39:00] nuxil: laga ok.. ill try svn version
[19:39:00] laga: Beirdo: k.
[19:39:00] nuxil: Beirdo yea it is
[19:39:00] mlehrer: so is it possible to have a pvr350 on a backend machine, but allow a frontend to pause live TV
[19:40:00] laga: nuxil: make sure to get a backup of your system.
[19:40:00] meushi: mlehrer: of course
[19:40:00] xris: mlehrer: that's the point
[19:40:00] mlehrer: ok cool, just checking
[19:40:00] nuxil: lakup whats that?
[19:40:00] nuxil: :P
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: And you are wasting your money on a 350 on the backend.... if you wont be using it for playback try for something cheaper
[19:40:00] nuxil: *backup
[19:40:00] ** laga wonders wtf http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup is talking about **
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: unless you already have it
[19:40:00] mlehrer: GreyFoxx: well a 250
[19:40:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[19:41:00] mlehrer: 250 backend, 350 front end
[19:41:00] xris: 150 would be better
[19:41:00] kormoc: mlehrer, the 150 is cheaper and better by most peoples standards
[19:41:00] xris: since you can't get 250's anymore
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[19:41:00] mlehrer: kormoc: what is the 150 like, does it avoid the stupid firmware loading part
[19:41:00] mlehrer: i h8 firmware
[19:41:00] xris: mlehrer: they're all like that
[19:41:00] kormoc: the 150 is a newer version of the 250, still uses the same driver, and same firmware
[19:42:00] mlehrer: what kind of link do you need between front end & back end, would 1 megabit be at all useful
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: mlehrer: That would look kinda nasty
[19:42:00] kormoc: if you want low quality videos
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: imho
[19:43:00] mlehrer: assuming a ridiculous bit rate
[19:43:00] meushi: I'd think at least 10TX
[19:43:00] Juski: laga: rotfl.. what planet is the guy on?
[19:43:00] nuxil: laga where is the svn version?
[19:43:00] laga: Juski: and WTF are you talking about? ;)
[19:43:00] Juski: svn.mythtv.org
[19:43:00] nuxil: k
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: I record at 4mbit, some record at 2–4, It all depends on the quality of your signal and what you can tolerate video wise
[19:43:00] Juski: laga: that wiki posting... it's like er... what?!
[19:44:00] laga: Juski: hehe, yep
[19:44:00] kormoc: mlehrer, I recorded at 1 mbit, and it was okay, but hardly very nice.
[19:44:00] laga: So channel 7 is on the same channel in all homes across the country.
[19:44:00] laga: hehe
[19:44:00] mlehrer: kormoc: ok cool thanks
[19:44:00] Juski: 2mbits is pretty good, but not for sports I'd guess
[19:44:00] laga: Juski: well, i can feel his pain, but the explanation is a little bit weird
[19:44:00] kormoc: link to weird posting?
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[19:45:00] laga: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup
[19:45:00] laga: ^^
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[19:45:00] Juski: "Until .15 is released this can be done in two different ways"
[19:45:00] Juski: so it's a leetle beet out of date ;-)
[19:45:00] laga: .15? oh, ok. might have been valid in these days.
[19:46:00] kormoc: laga, nah, the us bit wasn't at least
[19:46:00] laga: kormoc: what? weird?
[19:47:00] kormoc: for example, on comcast, in Seattle cartoon network is 42, in PA, it was 68, in York, 54, in Michigan 44.
[19:48:00] kormoc: and that's the same cable company. Different cable companys do it differently again
[19:48:00] laga: yep
[19:48:00] kormoc: there is no standard at all.
[19:49:00] laga: at first, i was afraid that he meant the cable companies would have different frequencies for the channel names (like k07 etc), that'd be horrible
[19:49:00] kormoc: yeah, that would be
[19:49:00] xris: laga: we don't deal with frequencies here
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[19:49:00] Juski: different cable companies have different channel numbers for most things
[19:49:00] meushi: laga: well, here they mixed up several frequency tables...
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[19:50:00] Juski: and in the UK, what channel is on what frequency entirely depends on where you live.. and getting that information needs a bit of digging
[19:50:00] nuxil: Juski and thats causing a problem for us here in europa.. bc we use frq
[19:50:00] laga: xris: neither do we. the frequencies are hidden behind numbers, i think. ;)
[19:50:00] nuxil: laga yes indeed
[19:50:00] Juski: so does mythtv use frequency tables or actual frequencies?
[19:51:00] Juski: or does that depend on the tuner? ;-)
[19:51:00] meushi: depends on the tuning script, ivtv-tune uses freq symbols
[19:51:00] nuxil: i think frequency tables.. bc i have probelms getting frequencies to work..
[19:51:00] xris: Juski: depends on what the user wants
[19:51:00] laga: Juski: frequency tables, usually. you can enter frequencies, though
[19:51:00] Juski: right
[19:52:00] nuxil: is frequese id the same as the frequencie_
[19:52:00] nuxil: ?
[19:52:00] Juski: so if I was to put 'bbc1' on freqid 58, it'd know that it's actually 756MHz or whatever?
[19:52:00] laga: right
[19:52:00] meushi: Juski: depending on the frequency table you config, yup
[19:52:00] nuxil: omg that gorreble
[19:52:00] nuxil: *horreble
[19:53:00] laga: how's that horrible?
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[19:53:00] Juski: horrible to you maybe nuxil, but it's actually a simplification ;-)
[19:53:00] Juski: cos the audio & video are actually on different frequencies
[19:53:00] meushi: "there's no problem so complex that it can't be made more complex by another level of indirection"
[19:54:00] meushi: sums up europe-* frequency tables quite well
[19:54:00] Juski: so in Europe we say "channel 58", meaning the video is on 756Mhz (or whatever) and the audio is on 750Mhz (or whatever)
[19:55:00] Juski: consumers don't _need_ to know the frequencies – just a harmonised, unique number for each frequency allocation
[19:55:00] xris: Juski: we usually say "scifi channel"... heh
[19:55:00] Juski: good thing DVB puts all of this out of the consumer's way eh? ;-)
[19:56:00] meushi: heh
[19:56:00] meushi: just need to know the transponder params and scan
[19:56:00] Juski: with their damnable logical channel numbers in no particular order
[19:56:00] Juski: and swapping of PIDs as they see fit
[19:59:00] Juski: oh btw laga: I downloaded a network scanning utility last night... it reckons my tuxbox thing is running a backorifice client (for linux?!) as well as a Half Life server and a mydoom distributor. nice, eh?
[19:59:00] kormoc: Juski, nmap would be a better scanner :P
[19:59:00] Juski: heh.. considering I think said utility is totally lying.. reckons my gentoo box is doing the same
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[20:00:00] Juski: I freakin' hope it's lying anyway
[20:00:00] laga: Juski: hehe. it probably has port 31337 (or so) open. i think that's for streaming, but was commonly used for backorifice
[20:00:00] kormoc: Juski, nmap would know :P
[20:00:00] ** Juski investigates nmap **
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[20:01:00] laga: Juski: there's a nice tutorial vid somewhere.
[20:01:00] laga: Juski: let me get the URL for you.
[20:02:00] SqWaw: What would cause a recording that's being played back to gradually speed up to the point where eventually the voices sound like chipmunks and video can barely even be watch consciously...? Gentoo Linux MythTV 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 #12 PREEMPT Thu Feb 2 20:11:49 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux, SVN 8841... I thought the last version of svn I had was the problem, so I upgraded it earlier today... That didn't
[20:02:00] Juski: it needs a tutorial video?!
[20:02:00] Juski: SqWaw: first guess would be to stop using Helium cooling ;-)
[20:02:00] SqWaw: lol
[20:03:00] kormoc: SqWaw, what timing method are you using?
[20:03:00] laga: Juski: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_haxxxor.html – but not work/SWMBO safe ;)
[20:03:00] SqWaw: 1.0 afaik. i havnt touched it
[20:04:00] Juski: wow.. mythtv needs a tutorial like that one.. maybe more people would remember how to use it ;-)
[20:05:00] laga: hehe
[20:05:00] AeSSeD: Can I change sync audio/video?
[20:06:00] kormoc: SqWaw, timeing method like, opengl vsync, usleep, RTC?
[20:06:00] SqWaw: Oh...
[20:06:00] SqWaw: umm
[20:06:00] SqWaw: i wanna say opengl
[20:06:00] SqWaw: How can i find out
[20:07:00] kormoc: you can run the frontend from a console and it says so in the output when you start watching a video
[20:07:00] kormoc: it also may output some info about why it's speeding up
[20:08:00] Juski: heheheh.. see? that fskin NetSpy program was just trying to get me to buy some software!
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[20:15:00] meushi: ok, quick poll
[20:15:00] meushi: given 250E for hardware, would you get
[20:15:00] meushi: a) dreambox 500
[20:16:00] meushi: b) extra disks for the backend
[20:16:00] meushi: c) new cpu and mobo for the backend
[20:16:00] meushi: ?
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[20:16:00] Juski: new disks
[20:16:00] praet: lo folks
[20:17:00] meushi: lo praet
[20:17:00] Juski: would it be classed as hacking if I accessed a pwn3d machine & installed some antivirus software on it so it stopped trying to down my webserver?
[20:17:00] Juski: ;-)
[20:17:00] meushi: Juski: alas, yup
[20:17:00] Juski: bastard
[20:18:00] praet: get the sysinfo and drop a nice mail to his box
[20:18:00] Juski: so can I just ping him to death instead?
[20:18:00] meushi: Juski: nope, DOS is not allowed either
[20:18:00] Juski: oh no – two wrongs not making a right.. I want vengeance
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[20:18:00] Juski: just kidding btw
[20:18:00] praet: is there a way to change the current dir in a bash script (return the prompt in a new dir)
[20:18:00] Juski: looks like I'm gonna be sending another complaint to NTL then
[20:18:00] meushi: Juski: no, if you were to club him to death... you could plead passing fit of rage and get out after a few years
[20:19:00] meushi: s/no/now/
[20:19:00] Juski: yeh... probably get less for murder than under the misuse of computers act
[20:19:00] meushi: not probably
[20:19:00] Juski: at least my wife'd be told where I was being taken
[20:19:00] meushi: almost certainly
[20:20:00] Juski: awww... that's no fun :)
[20:20:00] kormoc: meushi, given my backend is a 2.13 ghz proc, I'd get more ram (currently only 256 megs) and then more drives.
[20:20:00] meushi: well, my current backend is a Cely 667 OC'd to 830
[20:21:00] Juski: RAM is cheap enough... get more memory and HDDs
[20:21:00] meushi: a bit wimpy to transcode stuff
[20:21:00] Juski: more storage – no need to transcode ;-)
[20:21:00] kormoc: I like being able to comflag better then realtime
[20:21:00] meushi: 1 Gig ram, 60GB boot, 240GB data raid 1+0
[20:21:00] meushi: heh
[20:27:00] xpis: Does anyone transcode shows for internet streaming? If so, what codec do you use?
[20:28:00] Ryushin: xpis: I just use mythstreamtv that streams it on the fly. Don't need to transcode at all.
[20:29:00] xpis: Ryushin: how much processor time does that take up?
[20:29:00] xpis: (and more importantly – what processor are you using)
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[20:30:00] Juski: there we go .. another email sent to abuse@ntlworld.com . when are these windows users gonna learn you can't surf bareback when you're not behind at least a NAT firewall?
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[20:30:00] meushi: Juski: never?
[20:31:00] Juski: probably
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[20:31:00] Juski: maybe if they'd actually paid for windows they'd care ;-)
[20:31:00] Ryushin: xpis: Don't know, never checked. Let me kick off a stream right now remotely.
[20:32:00] meushi: or if they had to fix the mess
[20:33:00] xpis: Ryushin: and is it working with the svn mythweb?
[20:34:00] Ryushin: xpis: 2 ghz sempron 64 is running at 45% proc. svn mythweb.
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[20:36:00] xpis: then it should work. I have a Sempron 2800+ in my backend, most likely the same thing you are using. The only thing is that it seems to use wmv/mms... which is protected by MS patents, copyrights, and (most importantly) laywers.
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[20:38:00] Ryushin: xpis: VLC works wonderfully for the windwos clients.
[20:38:00] nineg50: is anyone familiar with the following error
[20:38:00] nineg50: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/video/ringbuf1.nuv
[20:39:00] nineg50: I've checked permissions and the fact the /video exists
[20:39:00] Ryushin: I have the 2600+ which runs at 1600 mhz. I overclocked it to 2 ghz on the stock fan with absolute stability. Some people have over clocked these little chips to 2600 mhz. There is a lot of wasted headroom in these chips.
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[20:39:00] nineg50: those are the only suggestions from google, mialing lists forums etc.
[20:39:00] AeSSeD: I need .asoundrc for sound blaster audigy please
[20:40:00] xpis: Ryushin: I prefer to run cool though
[20:41:00] Ryushin: So overclocking the 90 micron sempron's is almost like a given. I can still touch the cpu with my fingers. Not that warm at all. I run HD though, so the little extra headroom is necessary for me.
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[20:42:00] Ryushin: xpis: I don't think you'll notice a difference how hot your system gets if you overclock it a bit.
[20:42:00] nuxil: laga, wot version of the svn did you sai had that scaning stuff? 0.18.2 ??
[20:42:00] laga: nuxil: svn head.
[20:43:00] Ryushin: My system isn't any warmer that I can tell. I have a Silverstone LC17 case though which has decent ventilation.
[20:43:00] nuxil: laga hu?
[20:43:00] nuxil: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv fails..
[20:43:00] nuxil: i mean compilling it fails
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[20:44:00] laga: nuxil: *shrug*
[20:45:00] nuxil: i think its Qt that screws it up
[20:45:00] nuxil: laga you dont have Qt right?
[20:46:00] nuxil: your on knoppmyth now.. ?
[20:46:00] laga: i'm using debian sarge.
[20:47:00] nuxil: ok. but do you use kde?
[20:47:00] laga: not on my mythtv boxen.
[20:47:00] nuxil: if so.. wot version of qt you got? and if not,, do you got qt installed at all.
[20:47:00] laga: this questions is answered in the mythtv documentation
[20:47:00] nuxil: erm..
[20:48:00] kormoc: nuxil, qt 3.x is required, qt 4.x is not supported
[20:48:00] nuxil: kormoc figuers
[20:48:00] nuxil: i got 4
[20:48:00] Pitchin_uk: evening all
[20:48:00] nuxil: blah,, time to degrade abit
[20:48:00] nuxil: hi Pitchin_uk
[20:48:00] Pitchin_uk: is there anyway of renaming the files mythtv creates so they make a bit more sense??
[20:49:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: you running SVN or 0.18.1?
[20:49:00] Pitchin_uk: 0.18.1
[20:49:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: take a look at mythlink.pl in the contrib/ directory
[20:59:00] Pitchin_uk: where can i find that
[21:02:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: well, probably somewhere in /usr/share/docs/mythtv/ – but i'm not sure. try 'locate mythlink.pl'
[21:02:00] laga: or 'locate mythlink'
[21:02:00] nineg50: is anyone familiar with the following error
[21:02:00] nineg50: those are the only suggestions from google, mialing lists forums etc.
[21:02:00] nineg50: Couldn't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/video/ringbuf1.nuv
[21:03:00] nineg50: I've checked permissions and the fact the /video exists
[21:05:00] Pitchin_uk: on my machine??
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[21:10:00] nuxil: okey.. things going better now with qt3
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[21:13:00] nuxil: erm.. wot about gcc 4 guys?
[21:14:00] jams: what about it
[21:14:00] nuxil: can i use it to compile with or do i need to use a version 3
[21:15:00] kormoc: you can try and let us know
[21:15:00] meushi: works with 0.18.1, at least
[21:15:00] nuxil: ok. i'll try..
[21:15:00] xpis: gcc4 produces errors with 0.18.1
[21:15:00] meushi: uh?
[21:15:00] meushi: built fine for me at worrk
[21:15:00] meushi: hmm
[21:16:00] xpis: Did you use tehe 0.18.1 tarballs or the fixes release from svn?
[21:16:00] meushi: now that I think of it... can't recall if that was on debian or ubuntu
[21:16:00] nuxil: xpis svn
[21:16:00] nuxil: and i get error
[21:16:00] meushi: if it was debian, it was still a gcc 3
[21:16:00] meushi: need to check tomorrow
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[21:16:00] nuxil: gcc4 dont work
[21:16:00] xpis: nuxil: Try the latest svn code
[21:16:00] xpis: nuxil: (not 0.18.1 code... pre 0.19 code)
[21:16:00] nuxil: i did
[21:17:00] nuxil: oh
[21:17:00] nuxil: svn?
[21:17:00] xpis: nuxil: that builds fine on gcc4.
[21:17:00] kormoc: nuxil, svn.mythtv.org
[21:17:00] nuxil: you mean this? : svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[21:18:00] laga: i believe the 0.18 fixes branch (0.18.2) also works with gcc 4
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[21:18:00] casey_: hey guys, quick question
[21:19:00] casey_: lircrc, is it supposed to send and receive IR?
[21:19:00] casey_: or does it just receive?
[21:19:00] nuxil: no only errror
[21:19:00] casey_: i have it setup to receive, but its the send part that i dont know where to look to configure
[21:20:00] nuxil: i get this errrors
[21:20:00] nuxil: http://pastebin.com/542233
[21:21:00] Yellow-Snow: hm only a few more tweaks and my box is done
[21:21:00] casey_: heh
[21:21:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: that's what i've been saying for 2 years now. ;)
[21:21:00] casey_: i just started setting mine up
[21:21:00] Yellow-Snow: haha really? laga what all did u do?
[21:21:00] casey_: have everything working minus the changing channels part
[21:22:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: tinkering. and lots of fiddling. ;)
[21:22:00] Yellow-Snow: whats left on my to do list? well.. Auto skip comericals and cut them out.. save power and hibernate.. auto clock update.. games.. and more themes
[21:22:00] Yellow-Snow: and figure out why my remote is sooo... finicky
[21:22:00] casey_: anyone here using the mce remote?
[21:23:00] casey_: Yellow-Snow: i havent gotten there for
[21:23:00] casey_: far
[21:23:00] casey_: that far
[21:23:00] casey_: blah
[21:23:00] Yellow-Snow: its weird.. i reboot it wont work... reboot again and it wwill
[21:23:00] casey_: you use irw to see whats going on?
[21:23:00] Yellow-Snow: i think.. i have to reboot and unplug the ir and plug it back in
[21:23:00] Yellow-Snow: AND
[21:23:00] casey_: when it doesnt work, does irw see the commands coming?
[21:23:00] Yellow-Snow: why did my vnc stop working
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: um casey.. im 99% linux noob..
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: i just use knoppmyth
[21:24:00] casey_: heh
[21:24:00] casey_: irw is something that comes with lirc
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: im learning so fast tho
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[21:24:00] casey_: you just run it
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: i use lircd
[21:24:00] casey_: and hit buttons on your remote
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont run anything.. it runs it for me
[21:24:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[21:24:00] casey_: go to a shell and type irw right now
[21:24:00] casey_: and then just hit keys on the remote
[21:24:00] casey_: youll see what it does
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[21:25:00] casey_: i used to be a big linux dude, stepped out for about 5 years
[21:25:00] mlehrer: welcome back
[21:26:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[21:26:00] Yellow-Snow: look like all my network stuff is down
[21:26:00] Yellow-Snow: hmmm
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[21:27:00] casey_: thx
[21:27:00] casey_: was running mce on this box
[21:27:00] nuxil: how do you like the changes?
[21:27:00] casey_: figured id try mythtv when they started drm'ing hbo
[21:27:00] casey_: its a lot different
[21:27:00] nuxil: yea.. things happen in 5 years
[21:27:00] nuxil: :)
[21:27:00] casey_: i mean part of it is my own fault, i went with ubuntu as a distro when i've always been a huge slack fan
[21:28:00] casey_: which makes things quite a bit different
[21:28:00] nuxil: it sure does..
[21:28:00] casey_: this whole packaging thing is funny too
[21:28:00] nuxil: im running slackware on my server :) i like it
[21:28:00] casey_: i mean when i was doing it we just downloaded shit, compiled and installed
[21:28:00] casey_: no apt-get, rpm was gaining headroom but only with the n00bs
[21:29:00] nuxil: lol.. yea
[21:29:00] casey_: what does slack use now in terms of packages?
[21:29:00] laga: casey_: .tgz? ;)
[21:29:00] nuxil: yes
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: whoa
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: ..
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: can anyone explain this
[21:29:00] nuxil: and you can use slack get i thing it was called
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: 192.168.1.102
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: was my linux box
[21:29:00] Yellow-Snow: now its 192.168.1.103
[21:30:00] casey_: ahh
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: how does it just change?
[21:30:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: dhcp oddness, i'd say
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[21:30:00] casey_: yeah
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: that never happened to me
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: ever
[21:30:00] kormoc: casey_, gentoo, source based distro for lazy folk
[21:30:00] metalac: so just set it up static
[21:30:00] casey_: heh
[21:30:00] casey_: i tried ubuntu after hearing the google talk about it
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: hhmm
[21:30:00] Yellow-Snow: wait a sec
[21:30:00] nuxil: erm.. gcc 4.0,2 doesnt seem to work with the svn
[21:30:00] casey_: its alright, but just foreign
[21:30:00] casey_: svn?
[21:31:00] kormoc: subversion
[21:31:00] nuxil: instead of cvs
[21:31:00] casey_: to get some shit installed i had to set an env variable to gcc 3.4
[21:31:00] Yellow-Snow: i have real vnc running.. it edits it live.. can't i run idk vnc server and set it to a X image.. so i can edit the server but not scew up anything if someone is watching it?
[21:31:00] kormoc: a source code repo, like CVS but better
[21:31:00] casey_: export CC=gcc-3.4
[21:31:00] casey_: ahh
[21:31:00] kormoc: hehe
[21:31:00] casey_: thats cool
[21:31:00] nuxil: well i only got 4.0,2 :(
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[21:31:00] kormoc: I perfer gcc-config :)
[21:31:00] casey_: heh
[21:32:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
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[21:32:00] casey_: haha
[21:32:00] casey_: "fix"
[21:32:00] Yellow-Snow: has anyone like completely configed the remote for pvr-150?
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[21:32:00] casey_: Yellow-Snow: i have a pvr-250, but im working on that now
[21:32:00] Yellow-Snow: i can't adjust the volume in mplayer
[21:32:00] Yellow-Snow: stuff like that?
[21:32:00] casey_: im not going to use the tuner though
[21:32:00] casey_: i need to have it change chans on my stb
[21:34:00] Yellow-Snow: anyone use ntp-server?
[21:34:00] nuxil: nop
[21:34:00] nuxil: oh yea.. dont we all fo..
[21:34:00] nuxil: *d
[21:35:00] nuxil: i missread,, i thougt you sayd nfs
[21:35:00] nuxil: how else can i keep my clock upto date :P
[21:35:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[21:35:00] kormoc: I run ntp-client and ntpd
[21:36:00] kormoc: I don't need to run a ntp server to keep my clock upto date
[21:36:00] nuxil: kormoc i do.. bad battery on my mobo
[21:36:00] kormoc: nuxil, that's a good reason not to run the server...
[21:36:00] kormoc: nuxil, why give other people bad times?
[21:37:00] nuxil: no i mean. like i use the servers to get my time right,, i dont run one myself
[21:37:00] nuxil: ima client for the servers :P
[21:37:00] kormoc: nuxil, right, so you're running the client and the daemon, not the server, like Yellow-Snow asked
[21:37:00] nuxil: right
[21:38:00] kormoc: so don't say yes when he asks if you run a server :P
[21:38:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[21:38:00] Yellow-Snow: hey
[21:38:00] Yellow-Snow: it says NTP socket is in use.. exiting
[21:38:00] Yellow-Snow: knoppmyth already has the program?
[21:38:00] nuxil: ok lets see if release-0-18-fixes works with gcc 4.0.2
[21:38:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, would make sense
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[21:39:00] sputnik: hey, does anyone here have a nokia 770?
[21:39:00] Yellow-Snow: nope
[21:39:00] sputnik: have you tried mythfrontend on it?
[21:39:00] Yellow-Snow: sony ericsson w800
[21:39:00] Yellow-Snow: 500$
[21:39:00] Yellow-Snow: it owns
[21:40:00] sputnik: not a cell phone – linux tablet pc
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: im gana set it up to take my shows and put it on my phone every day
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
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[21:40:00] nuxil: Yellow-Snow that cell rocks big time
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: yea but
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: w810
[21:40:00] sputnik: wondering if it has the horsepower to do playback
[21:40:00] nuxil: Yellow-Snow where you from
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: has 4 band's..
[21:40:00] Yellow-Snow: USA
[21:41:00] nuxil: ok,,
[21:41:00] nuxil: 500$ was much
[21:41:00] Yellow-Snow: the w800 only has 2 really .. so u have to use 1 provider.. the w810 has 4
[21:41:00] Yellow-Snow: yea just came out.. tho nuxil.. think about it
[21:41:00] nuxil: i pay like 200$for it here in norway
[21:41:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont have an ipod.. camera... video cam.. phone.. internet whereever
[21:42:00] Yellow-Snow: so like.. add those all into 1 and its more then 500
[21:42:00] Yellow-Snow: if i take good care of it its worth it u know?
[21:43:00] Yellow-Snow: and just to have all my mp3's whereever w/o carring another device owns.. i mean u always have your cell u know? not always your ipod
[21:43:00] casey_: heh
[21:43:00] casey_: i have a razr v3c
[21:43:00] Yellow-Snow: and damn.. that voice recorder owns my teachers going over the test
[21:43:00] casey_: i just wanted something small that fits in my back pocket
[21:43:00] Yellow-Snow: + 60 games
[21:44:00] Yellow-Snow: lol yea mines small as hell also
[21:44:00] Yellow-Snow: tho razr has me beat
[21:44:00] nuxil: lol things just get worse and worse.. 1 i tryed the latest svn version.. no good with gcc 4.0.2. then i tryed -0-18-fixes.. but hey .. after running ./configure.. i run make.. but.. hehe ake
[21:44:00] nuxil: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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[21:44:00] laga: nuxil: qmake mythtv.pro – ever heard of that one?
[21:44:00] nuxil: crap
[21:44:00] casey_: hah
[21:45:00] casey_: isnt that in the README?
[21:45:00] nuxil: no
[21:45:00] laga: god dammit
[21:45:00] casey_: heh
[21:45:00] casey_: it should be
[21:45:00] laga: do yourswelf a favor and read the fscking manual
[21:45:00] casey_: cant remember where i looked for directions
[21:45:00] laga: it's in there
[21:46:00] nuxil: laga not in the read me file..
[21:46:00] nuxil: Search string 'qmake' not found!
[21:46:00] nuxil: blah
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[21:46:00] laga: nuxil: the official docs at www.mythtv.org
[21:47:00] Yellow-Snow: u know what baffles me
[21:47:00] laga: See the mythtv-HOWTO.html, .pdf or .txt file in the docs/ subdirectory or on
[21:47:00] Yellow-Snow: how u can have the front end and a back end
[21:47:00] laga: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ for in-depth instructions on installing and
[21:47:00] laga: compiling MythTV and all of the pre-requisites. It has instructions for
[21:47:00] laga: various Linux distributions.
[21:47:00] Yellow-Snow: like.. how can it send the video that fast?
[21:47:00] snecklifter: rescanning mythmusic doesnt update library in player, any ideas?
[21:47:00] laga: Yellow-Snow: the video is compressed
[21:47:00] Yellow-Snow: vnc is slow and thats just the desktop
[21:47:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[21:48:00] nuxil: laga ok my fault.. i see it now..
[21:48:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[21:48:00] Yellow-Snow: exactly how fast does it have to be
[21:48:00] nuxil: but it still wount compile with gcc4.0.2
[21:48:00] Yellow-Snow: in other words.. 2 t3 connections work?
[21:48:00] Yellow-Snow: everyone in the dorm set it up?
[21:48:00] Yellow-Snow: omg wouldn't that be badass?
[21:49:00] Yellow-Snow: someone sets up a backend in the dorm?
[21:49:00] Yellow-Snow: and everyone pitches in 20$ to get 2–3 backends
[21:49:00] Yellow-Snow: pow everyone has tivo
[21:51:00] meushi: hmm, you might need gigabit ethernet for more than 10 frontends tho
[21:51:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
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[21:53:00] Yellow-Snow: then maybe a backend per floor
[21:53:00] casey_: what protocol does it use between front end and backend?
[21:53:00] Yellow-Snow: still would be cool to set up b/t all your friends eh?
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[21:54:00] meushi: Yellow-Snow: another solution is to get vbricks... then you multicast channels to the VLAN... we had that at my previous contract
[21:55:00] meushi: only problem is that you need 1 vbrick per channel... costy :(
[21:55:00] Yellow-Snow: gtg to the doc.. afk
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[21:56:00] casey_: meushi: do you set up professional mythtv rigs or something?
[21:58:00] meushi: casey_: no, I just contract for mad customers... even tho I converted a few guys to myth @work :)
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[22:01:00] meushi: casey_: I don't think "paid in pints of Guinness" qualifies me as "setting up pro mythtv rigs" ;)
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[22:12:00] sputnik: re
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[22:14:00] Wibble_: hey – my myth seems to say it is recording a program, but I can't watch it while it records. Backend says tuner 1 is recording, but I can't seem to do anything I usually can with it. Last time this happened, it didn't actually record the program in the end. Any one got ideas about what might be wrong?
[22:15:00] laga: how do you want to watch it? 'watch tv' or 'watch recordings'?
[22:15:00] Wibble_: watch recordings
[22:16:00] laga: ok, that should work then
[22:16:00] Wibble_: there are two .nuv files last modified at the time this recording was supposed to start – the previous recording which finished at 10, and this one which started at 10 on a different channel
[22:17:00] Wibble_: but the new .nuv is still 0 lenght, and still last modified at 10pm
[22:18:00] Wibble_: hmmm... well... I should have checked the log file first...
[22:18:00] Wibble_: it keeps saying "DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second."
[22:18:00] nuxil: lol anyone remember this game
[22:18:00] nuxil: http://www.johnnyslack.com/duckhunt/
[22:19:00] xris: nuxil: I still have that
[22:19:00] nuxil: lol you do.. i dont know where my old nintendo is
[22:20:00] nuxil: tonz of games
[22:20:00] nuxil: http://www.startsiden.no/data_og_kommunikasjo . . . n/index.html
[22:20:00] Wibble_: does abc1 broadcast after 10pm in the UK?
[22:20:00] xris: mine's still sitting in my parents' basement.
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[22:21:00] scopeuk: wibble i dont think so
[22:21:00] Juski: no it doesn't
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[22:21:00] Wibble_: that might be the problem then... I've got channel data for it after 10pm, so myth scheduled some recordings for programs I wanted... very curious indeed.
[22:22:00] Juski: ahh no yes it does
[22:22:00] Wibble_: :/
[22:22:00] Wibble_: so why does backend tell me its not broadcasting :D
[22:22:00] Juski: no idea
[22:23:00] Juski: maybe the PIDs changed for the channel & now myth can't find it
[22:23:00] Wibble_: I recorded stuff earlier today on it
[22:23:00] Juski: but that shouldn't happen since mythtv 0.16
[22:23:00] Juski: ah wait a sec... maybe it stops after 10pm on freeview
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[22:24:00] Juski: can't remember if it's still in my lineup or not
[22:25:00] Juski: ok just scheduled a 2 minute recording
[22:25:00] Wibble_: well, I'm trying to find out hehe
[22:26:00] Juski: it's not working
[22:26:00] Juski: I get my guide from tv_grab_uk_rt
[22:26:00] Juski: wonder what the EIT guide would say
[22:26:00] Wibble_: me too... they say ABC1 is still broadcasting... but I guess that might only be on cable etc...
[22:27:00] Wibble_: damn that'll be annoying if thats the case
[22:27:00] Juski: from 6am to 6pm... quoted from www.freeview.co.uk
[22:27:00] Juski: time to crank up 'useonairguide' for that channel then chaps
[22:28:00] Wibble_: darn it
[22:29:00] Wibble_: ok – I think I'll just run an sql query to remove all shows between those times until .19 is out
[22:29:00] Juski: don't worry too much.. from what I've seen of their schedule it's repeated all day anyway
[22:29:00] Wibble_: yeah – but it tries to record the wrong ones :D
[22:29:00] Wibble_: n the others are dupes, so it doesn't record
[22:30:00] Juski: just set useonairguide to 1 for the channel
[22:30:00] Juski: that should do the trick in 0.18.1
[22:30:00] Wibble_: uhhhh – k *hunts*
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[22:31:00] Juski: problem solved anyway, eh, Wibble_ ? ;-)
[22:31:00] Juski: and it's the first time I've ever had to touch a non-existent filename into existence
[22:32:00] Wibble_: not yet – I'm looking for this useonairguide. If I set it in mysql, do I need to kick backend to re-schedule everything?
[22:32:00] Juski: erm I dunno
[22:32:00] Juski: try it without first
[22:33:00] Wibble_: useonairguide is already 1
[22:33:00] Wibble_: its 1 for all my channels apparently...
[22:34:00] Juski: yeh but are you running mythfilldatabase every night, overwriting it?
[22:34:00] Wibble_: yes
[22:34:00] Juski: that'll do it
[22:35:00] Juski: to delete abc1 from your xmltv lineup is easy
[22:35:00] Juski: find the .xmltv file & delete the line channel abc1.disney.co.uk
[22:35:00] Juski: then, eventually, myth will populate it with the freeview EPG stuff
[22:36:00] Wibble_: eventually? :D nice.
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[22:36:00] Wibble_: ok – I'll try that, and let you know in a couple of years if its not done it ;)
[22:36:00] Juski: it pulls EIT data all the time tuners are active
[22:36:00] Wibble_: and tuned into that station?
[22:36:00] Juski: not necessarily
[22:36:00] Wibble_: ok
[22:37:00] Juski: it goes round all the muxes finding EPG info for all the channels it can
[22:37:00] Wibble_: well, I think that it trying to tune into that channel which has stopped broadcasting screwed up the backend...
[22:37:00] laga: you sure? i don't think 0.18.1 has an EIT crawler
[22:37:00] Wibble_: it refused to record little britain just now, saying there was an error
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[22:37:00] laga: anyways, i gotta zonk out or something like that now
[22:37:00] Juski: laga: yeh it works in 0.18
[22:38:00] Juski: dunno if it actually crawls though.. but it does work
[22:38:00] Juski: as does scanning (shock, horror!)
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[22:39:00] Juski: and er.. goodnight laga.. are you an uncle yet btw?
[22:40:00] Juski: ;-)
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[22:43:00] Wibble_: Can we please have it so if I try to watch live TV it doesn't just throw me back out if it can't lock to the channel? :/ cuz now I can't get on to any other channels (I guess until 6am!)
[22:44:00] Juski: Wibble_: coming in 0.19 ;-)
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[22:45:00] Wibble_: glad to hear it :)
[22:45:00] Juski: there's a way around that in 0.18 but I can't remember what it is
[22:45:00] Wibble_: manually change the previous channel in mysql?
[22:51:00] Wibble_: Anyway – thanks for the help. I'm off for now. Will probably be back tomorrow for more help :D
[22:51:00] Wibble_: *gone*
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[22:52:00] meushi: good night
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[22:55:00] mattwj2005: I have never used Mythtv....but I have some friends that have
[22:55:00] mattwj2005: cool stuff guys :)
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[22:56:00] Juski: 'some of my best friends use mythtv'... ;-)
[22:56:00] mattwj2005: I would love to make a HDTV recorder
[22:56:00] mattwj2005: lol :P
[22:56:00] scopeuk: ifyou got that cash its within the realms of possibilities
[22:56:00] scopeuk: if you got the cash anythign is possible
[22:56:00] scopeuk: oops
[22:57:00] scopeuk: sorry for double post couldent see te first one
[22:57:00] mattwj2005: with mythtv and digital cable in the US....what are your options? I know satellite is pretty much out of the question
[22:57:00] xris: mattwj2005: firewire
[22:58:00] mattwj2005: does that cable company mind?
[22:58:00] xris: cable company has no say in the matter. FCC mandates that if you pay for HD, and ask the cable company, they have to provide you with a firewire-equipped box
[22:59:00] mattwj2005: dang
[22:59:00] mlehrer: mattwj2005: you can also do the over-the-air channels with an hd3000
[22:59:00] xris: of course, they're only required to give you SD (480p), but from the look of things, it's more effort for them to downsample so they just give you the fyll stream
[22:59:00] scopeuk: that makes sense whicsh uk government could work out how to use a vcr betwen em
[22:59:00] scopeuk: techlegislation sucks its catered purley to buisness and sod the end user
[22:59:00] xris: you can also get unencrypted OTA-equivalent signals over the cable wire with a pchdtv or air2pc card
[22:59:00] scopeuk: i mean its not like we pay there wages or anything
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[23:00:00] xris: scopeuk: except that the bbc is developing their own video codec so they can stream all of the tv online for free. sucks to be you with all of that free tv.
[23:00:00] xris: granted, no one knows when they'll be done.
[23:01:00] scopeuk: wow i get to recive the bbc programs over the air fora fee i have to pay every yearregardless of if i use the service
[23:01:00] scopeuk: fantastic
[23:01:00] Wibble-: so uhhh I'm back sooner than I thought, and I've screwed things up big time I think... myth can't open the DVB card because of permission errors... I've fixed audio by putting mythtv in the audio group, but to access /dev/dvb/* it currently nedes to be root or root group. Can I change the permissions on the /dev/dvb/* files? or what else do I have to do?
[23:01:00] mattwj2005: so what do you guys think of Knoppmyth?
[23:01:00] scopeuk: could you not put it in both groups
[23:02:00] xris: mattwj2005: many people use/like it
[23:02:00] Wibble-: everyone can read or execute /dev/dvb/adapter?, so maybe thats not the problem :/
[23:02:00] scopeuk: i think its my only chance of ever gettign myth going more details tomorow evening
[23:02:00] mattwj2005: is it the best way to go?
[23:02:00] scopeuk: how goods your linux knollage
[23:02:00] xris: mattwj2005: no "best" way... best is what you're most familiar with
[23:03:00] mattwj2005: well I want features and stabilibity
[23:03:00] xris: mattwj2005: you'd also be advised to wait a couple of weeks for .19 to come out, though.
[23:03:00] Wibble-: me? quite good.
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[23:03:00] xris: mattwj2005: how well do you know linux?
[23:03:00] scopeuk: i was talkign to mattwj2005
[23:03:00] scopeuk: but hey
[23:03:00] mattwj2005: I had about 4 classes in it at a technical college
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[23:04:00] mattwj2005: I know to compile source, install rpms, etc
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[23:04:00] mattwj2005: apt-get in debian :P
[23:04:00] xris: mattwj2005: well, knopmyth is based on debian
[23:05:00] ole_schoola: Message from syslogd@earwax at Mon Feb 6 17:02:04 2006 ...
[23:05:00] ole_schoola: earwax kernel: Bad page state at free_hot_cold_page (in process 'mplayer', page ffff810002179048)
[23:05:00] xris: the other "easy" choice is fedora.... so it's just a matter of which one you feel most comfortable with
[23:05:00] ole_schoola: that can't be good
[23:05:00] Juski: xris... that video codec the beeb are working on (Dirac).. it's open-source don'tcha know ;-)
[23:05:00] xris: Juski: yup
[23:05:00] sphing: ole_schoola: the name of the machine or the error?
[23:05:00] scopeuk: at least my tax pounds pay for somethign of use
[23:06:00] ole_schoola: heh. error
[23:06:00] mattwj2005: now what type of files does mythtv create? divx, xvid, mpeg ???
[23:06:00] sphing: nuv
[23:06:00] Juski: scopeuk: who knows... if the BBC R&D dept is sold off it might not continue the good work :-/
[23:06:00] mattwj2005: nuv...never heard of it
[23:06:00] scopeuk: you have now
[23:06:00] Juski: nuppelvideo
[23:06:00] ole_schoola: all my machines are named after ... er ... stuff
[23:06:00] ole_schoola: toejam
[23:06:00] ole_schoola: booger
[23:06:00] ole_schoola: lint
[23:07:00] Juski: motionjpeg, mpeg4, mpeg2
[23:07:00] xris: mattwj2005: software encode is nupplevideo container with either mpeg4 or rtjpeg video
[23:07:00] sphing: honey, could you reboot lint?
[23:07:00] xris: hardware encoder is whatever the hardware encoder does (usually mpeg2, though there are some pricy plextor ones that do mpeg4)
[23:07:00] mattwj2005: sweet mp4 and mpeg2 :D
[23:07:00] ole_schoola: check the logs on plegm
[23:07:00] Wibble-: should mythbackend run as mythtv or root?
[23:07:00] xris: mattwj2005: nupplevideo is ONLY playable from within myth
[23:07:00] ole_schoola: init script defaults to root
[23:07:00] scopeuk: os dsmyth
[23:07:00] scopeuk: or*
[23:08:00] sphing: Wibble-: i personally run mine as root because I'm too lazy to setup sudo for nice
[23:08:00] xris: scopeuk: dsmyth more or less is myth.
[23:08:00] scopeuk: yeh but it runs on windows
[23:08:00] mattwj2005: what can mythtv play?
[23:08:00] xris: mattwj2005: anything libavcodec can
[23:08:00] kormoc: or whatever mplayer/xine plays, if you set them up to be used in mythvideo.
[23:09:00] Wibble-: mine is running as mythtv, but I guess I want it to run as root (all sorts of permission problems) – how can I change this/
[23:09:00] scopeuk: any one used vlcwith myth?
[23:09:00] sphing: mattwj2005: www.mythtv.org
[23:09:00] kormoc: Wibble-, what distro?
[23:09:00] Juski: scopeuk: all the time
[23:09:00] Wibble-: knoppix
[23:10:00] scopeuk: knoppix or knoppmyth?
[23:10:00] ** mattwj2005 is in love with mythtv **
[23:10:00] mattwj2005: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libavcodec
[23:10:00] xris: mattwj2005: mythvideo can play just about whatever you throw at it, considering that it can hook into xine and/or mplayer.
[23:11:00] Wibble-: uhhh... no... I dunno why I said that at all... I meant ubuntu...
[23:11:00] Wibble-: I'm tired. Thats what it is. Sorry.
[23:11:00] ** xris snarls at ubuntu for continuously breaking gstreamer's mad support in amarok **
[23:11:00] Wibble-: lol
[23:12:00] xris: it just randomly stops playing mp3's
[23:12:00] xris: going back to fedora on this box once core5 comes out
[23:12:00] mattwj2005: what do you guys recommend for ATSC tuners in the US?
[23:13:00] xris: mattwj2005: air2pc or pchdtv are the only choices
[23:13:00] mattwj2005: thanks xris
[23:14:00] Juski: I've been having serious trouble getting mythburn to work on my gentoo box.. jpeg2yuv & mpeg2enc segfaults ahoy... could anyone shed any light on that?
[23:14:00] mattwj2005: hd-3000?
[23:15:00] dtm: Juski: recompile it or get a binary
[23:15:00] kormoc: gdb can help
[23:15:00] Juski: might be worth filing a gdb report...
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[23:16:00] Juski: if I can work out how to use it
[23:16:00] mattwj2005: sorry guys....I am a big noob
[23:17:00] xris: mattwj2005: yes. though for some reason I thought there was a 4000. I don't keep up with that, though
[23:17:00] xris: ok, yes. 3000
[23:18:00] xris: http://www.pchdtv.com/
[23:19:00] xris: not cheap, though.
[23:19:00] ** xris really needs to install the air2pc sitting on his desk at work.... **
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[23:25:00] mattwj2005: what is better the pchdtv or air2pc card?
[23:25:00] xris: I don't think there's a great deal of difference anymore
[23:26:00] xris: air2pc used to have better drivers, but pchdtv caught up a long time ago
[23:26:00] mattwj2005: cool col
[23:26:00] mattwj2005: well I better go
[23:26:00] mattwj2005: thanks for the info guys
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[23:31:00] Juski: that felt weird.. unpacking an RPM on my gentoo box
[23:32:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:32:00] GreyFoxx: I had to do that for our lan IT guy at work
[23:33:00] GreyFoxx: he was installing some backup software that was only put out in rpm format
[23:33:00] GreyFoxx: and all our linux boxes are Slackware :)
[23:33:00] Juski: dammit... still bloody segfaults
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[23:40:00] nuxil: finaly after degrading my system from gcc4.0.2 -> 3.5.5 and Qt4 -> 3.5.5 i had no errors so far compiling mythtv
[23:41:00] nuxil: but its still compiling.. been doing it 45 mins now.. bet its close to the end :D
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[23:46:00] nuxil: 1Q how long does it take to compile mythtv on a 2 Ghz pc? feels like its been compiling forever now :\
[23:47:00] kormoc: depends on your box
[23:47:00] nuxil: wot depends?
[23:47:00] nuxil: 2Ghz 1Gram alot of space
[23:48:00] nuxil: 1h? 2h? 3h? or more?
[23:49:00] nuxil: forget that
[23:49:00] nuxil: it took abot 1h..
[23:49:00] nuxil: it just finished
[23:49:00] nuxil: :D
[23:50:00] kormoc: shouldn't take so long imho
[23:50:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
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[23:55:00] Juski: might aswell just make some new dvd background stuff
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