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Saturday, February 4th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
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[00:01:00] thma: ARGH
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[00:23:00] thma: error: couldnot connect to master backend server — is it running?
[00:23:00] thma: whats this mean in english
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[00:26:00] rtsai: It means it couldn't connect to the master backend server. Is your mythbackend running?
[00:28:00] xris: sure reads like english to me
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[00:30:00] thma: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[00:30:00] thma: mythbackend already running, use restart instead.
[00:30:00] thma: root@2[thma]# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[00:30:00] thma: Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.
[00:30:00] thma: .
[00:30:00] thma: Session management error: Could not open network socket
[00:30:00] thma: .
[00:31:00] xris: sounds like network socket problems.
[00:31:00] xris: what distro?
[00:32:00] thma: mepis
[00:34:00] xris: never heard of it.. what package system?
[00:34:00] thma: debian
[00:35:00] thma: etch
[00:36:00] stanton: I can't solve this one... USB IR receiver. Any clues as to why LiveTV causes lirc_imon (and lirc_dev) to become terminally busy and stop responding?
[00:37:00] xris: thma: run mythbackend -v all
[00:37:00] Kabutor: stanton, I think its stated in the lirc website that usb infrared are not supported
[00:37:00] xris: stanton: you've asked that about half a dozen times.. seems no one knows. but on that note, you might also want to mention if you're using .18 or svn
[00:37:00] thma: mythbackend -v all
[00:37:00] thma: 2006-02–03 18:37:37.566 DBPassword is not set in mysql.txt
[00:37:00] thma: 2006-02–03 18:37:37.579 New DB connection, total: 1
[00:37:00] thma: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[00:37:00] thma: Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[00:37:00] thma: of the general settings.
[00:38:00] xris: thma: that'd be a good thing to do
[00:38:00] thma: yep i am googling it already
[00:38:00] xris: mythtv-setup
[00:38:00] xris: just run it
[00:39:00] xris: it's fairly self explanatory (though the capture card setup stuff needs help being more intuitive)
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[00:40:00] Kabutor: Im using mythvideo, but some local characters are badly show (like garbage when a title has a ñ) what did I have to set in locales?
[00:40:00] stanton: 2 times today, but thanks for noticing. I'm using lirc 0.8.0 and SVN, not the latest, but 20051208
[00:40:00] stanton: ...and yes, lirc supports the Soundgraph iMON, which is a USB device
[00:41:00] achew22: Hello all! I have a question about installing myth browser and the sort. I got on and i ./confiure --enable-all but when I go to "make" the file spits out a huge list of errors involving the source code — "`qt` has not been declared" and the sort, anyone have any ideas?
[00:41:00] stanton: not trying to be pushy here, but I just can't figure this one out, and can't see that ANYone else has the problem
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[00:42:00] Kabutor: wich driver uses that irc usb?
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[00:43:00] stanton: Kabutor: not sure if I understand the question, but I'm guessing you mean the lirc_imon module  – which seems to be the thing that's getting hung up
[00:44:00] Kabutor: you see the device when typing lsub ? wich kernel are you using?
[00:45:00] Kabutor: you configure it --with-driver=imon, that should be the driver isnt it?
[00:45:00] stanton: (some background)... the remote works fine, for a long time. I can tool around MythTV no problem, but when I start LiveTV, the remote will either stop responding immediately or within the minute
[00:45:00] dtm: stanton: do you get any errors in logs or dmesg
[00:46:00] stanton: no. dmesg is fine. /var/log/lircd happily shows all the presses up to the point of "failure", but no sign of struggle
[00:46:00] Kabutor: I have some problems with 2.6.14 iirc its worthy to change to another kernel wich one are you suing?
[00:47:00] stanton: oh, yeah, you asked.... ta da... 2.6.14.4
[00:47:00] stanton: humph
[00:47:00] Kabutor: try to update to 2.6.15 wich is out :D
[00:47:00] stanton: good suggestion
[00:48:00] Kabutor: Id just update today to lirc 0.8.0_pre3 and 2.6.15
[00:49:00] Kabutor: and works fine
[00:49:00] stanton: OT, why 0.8.0_pre? 0.8.0 is out
[00:49:00] Kabutor: no idea.. gentoo has that in the portage as stable :)
[00:50:00] Kabutor: shouldnt be much different I suppouse, anyway I use the driver serial, wich I suppose didnt change much (maybe Im wrong)
[00:51:00] stanton: well, good grief. I so novice at the Linux thing, I hope I can do the kernel upgrade without blowing all my tedious meticulus settings apart
[00:51:00] dtm: stanton: all you have to do is keep a backup of your .config file
[00:51:00] Kabutor: copy .config from current linux dir to new one and just do a make oldconfig && make && make modules_install
[00:53:00] stanton: I've wasted so much time on this dumb little problem, that I'm definitely game to do it.
[00:54:00] stanton: so, drifting off topic a little more, how would YOU go about updating the kernel. Lasti time i did it, I went to kernel.org (or some other place) to get 2.6.14.4
[00:56:00] stanton: ... Fedor Core 4, and I remember I couldn't just yum it up. nVidia need the source installed, so I had to go get a kernel.
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[00:57:00] scottder: Hmm I just did a yum update to get it :)
[00:57:00] Yellow-Snow: ok
[00:57:00] Yellow-Snow: my brother has no clue on my system
[00:58:00] scottder: but that is fedora core
[00:58:00] Yellow-Snow: who wants to vnc b/c this is BS
[00:58:00] scottder: Only if you fix my xine remote issue :0
[00:58:00] Yellow-Snow: hell i have pvr-150 remote issue
[00:58:00] Yellow-Snow: lirc wont even run
[00:59:00] Yellow-Snow: that or im reformating everything
[00:59:00] scottder: start over...use fedora core....was way easy :)
[00:59:00] Yellow-Snow: knoppmyth
[00:59:00] Yellow-Snow: not the easy way?
[00:59:00] scottder: Haven't tried it....
[00:59:00] Yellow-Snow: oh well they say its the best
[01:00:00] Yellow-Snow: i even selected my remote on initial install
[01:00:00] Kabutor: stanton try with a older kernel if FC4 provides it, maybe its easier
[01:00:00] dtm: i would assume that knoppmyth includes mysql and mythbackend.
[01:00:00] Yellow-Snow: well mythtv works
[01:00:00] Yellow-Snow: so im guessing also
[01:00:00] Yellow-Snow: just the damn remote
[01:01:00] scottder: which remote is it? and which receiver?
[01:01:00] scottder: i have the MCE usb one...worked no problem with the laster versions of lirc
[01:02:00] Yellow-Snow: up itss the pci no mce
[01:02:00] stanton: Kubutor, I need at least 2.6.13 for my HD5000, and it was having weird problem with that card. 2.6.14 was my solution there
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[01:04:00] Kabutor: your problem is that you have a lot of expensive software, I can change that for my Bt848 and my serial receiver ;)
[01:04:00] Kabutor: *software = hardware
[01:04:00] stanton: that's better
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[01:09:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u find your kernel source?
[01:09:00] xris: Yellow-Snow: usually in /usr/src/
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[01:12:00] Yellow-Snow: thx
[01:12:00] xris: some put it at /usr/src/linux, others like fedora now use /usr/src/kernels/ (and then a directory for each kernel you have installed)
[01:12:00] xris: though the "kernels" one refers only to the headers, not the actual kernel source
[01:13:00] Yellow-Snow: *nods*
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: make && make install
[01:16:00] Yellow-Snow: is that 2 commands into 1?
[01:17:00] kormoc: yes
[01:17:00] Yellow-Snow: cool
[01:23:00] xris: and it only runs the second if the first succeeds
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[01:27:00] kormoc: so the PS3 might have DVR functionality
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[01:29:00] Yellow-Snow: You can now check if the remote is working using irw. Run this, and press buttons on the remote. You should see some output like
[01:29:00] Yellow-Snow: what do i run? this?
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[01:35:00] stanton: irw
[01:35:00] Yellow-Snow: just type irw?
[01:35:00] stanton: yeah
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[01:36:00] stanton: (/usr/bin/irw) if you need the path
[01:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[01:36:00] stanton: (mine's in /usr/local/bin/)
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[01:37:00] ph|ber: i have ripped dvds to my main machine, the complete vobs. mplayer on the frontend keeps cutting the movie short.
[01:37:00] ph|ber: any ideas?
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[01:39:00] stanton: new choices for compiling my kernel... for defaul I/O scheduler, do I want "Anticipatory", "Deadline", "CFQ", or "No-op"?
[01:40:00] stanton: ph|ber, try xine?
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[01:40:00] ph|ber: that would be tough.
[01:41:00] ph|ber: theres no keyboard or mouse and stuff.
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: how do u find irw
[01:41:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i search for it
[01:41:00] ph|ber: just the unit and tv
[01:45:00] Yellow-Snow: k i just fucked up my shit
[01:45:00] stanton: oh, that's bad
[01:45:00] Yellow-Snow: anything i tye
[01:45:00] Yellow-Snow: it says
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: connect: connection refused
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: so yea
[01:46:00] Yellow-Snow: f this
[01:47:00] Yellow-Snow: let the reformat begin
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[01:49:00] ph|ber: stanton: same thing
[01:50:00] ph|ber: my frontend is an epia mii1000
[01:50:00] stanton: over my head
[01:50:00] ph|ber: er 10000
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[02:06:00] ole_schoola: trying to build SVN on FC5 right now
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[02:08:00] defaultro: hey guys, i want to test the telnet functionality of mythfrontend, how do I do it?
[02:09:00] ole_schoola: in the email announcing the patch is the future release notes
[02:09:00] defaultro: is that for me ole?
[02:09:00] ole_schoola: yep
[02:09:00] ole_schoola: gimme sec
[02:10:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx was testing it the other day
[02:10:00] defaultro: or was it kormoc
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[02:15:00] ole_schoola: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . d%20;#169945
[02:15:00] ole_schoola: that's Chris' announce
[02:16:00] defaultro: ok
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[02:18:00] defaultro: that's cool
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[02:22:00] defaultro: what about this, "Channel changes can be made across tuners without changing tuners manually first "
[02:23:00] defaultro: is that feature included in trunk?
[02:23:00] defaultro: I don't see it though
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[02:29:00] Yellow-Snow: hey
[02:29:00] Yellow-Snow: i just reformated right?
[02:30:00] Yellow-Snow: well i config everything nad its doing that datadirect over nad over
[02:30:00] Yellow-Snow: is it in a loop or not
[02:30:00] Yellow-Snow: oh its going day to day
[02:30:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
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[02:31:00] thma: okey heres what i got now "/etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend" ~ Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[02:31:00] thma: Connection timed out.
[02:31:00] thma: You probably should modify the Master Server settings
[02:31:00] thma: in the setup program and set the proper IP address.
[02:32:00] webbnetsys: Greetings everybody.
[02:32:00] thma: hello
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[02:32:00] defaultro: run mythtv-setu thma
[02:33:00] webbnetsys: Does anybody use Hauppage 350?
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[02:33:00] defaultro: then don't use 127.0.0.1
[02:33:00] defaultro: use the real ip address you assigned
[02:33:00] webbnetsys: Correction – Is anybody using any Hauppage cards??
[02:33:00] thma: ah ok its local so i didnt think it mattered
[02:33:00] defaultro: me too
[02:34:00] defaultro: in networking, you are correct
[02:34:00] thma: webbnetsys, i am using a wintv-fm
[02:34:00] defaultro: but in mythtv, it requires the non loopback address
[02:34:00] thma: ah then why is that not mentioned on the screen
[02:34:00] defaultro: which screen?
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[02:34:00] thma: duh it is if you click the ipaddress
[02:34:00] defaultro: the quick tip help
[02:35:00] webbnetsys: It has been over a month and I am still trying to get the xserver working with the Hauppage 350.
[02:35:00] thma: "Use an externally accessible address (ie, not 127.0.0.1)
[02:35:00] defaultro: yep
[02:35:00] defaultro: that's a good way to do it rather than consulting the howto for that piece only
[02:35:00] webbnetsys: I have everything working with the Hauppage, like capturing, and exporting video.
[02:36:00] webbnetsys: But I can
[02:36:00] defaultro: BAM webnet, good job
[02:36:00] webbnetsys: But I can't get the xserver to export. Thus no movies, etc.
[02:36:00] defaultro: export what?
[02:36:00] thma: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[02:36:00] thma: Connection timed out.
[02:36:00] thma: You probably should modify the Master Server settings
[02:36:00] thma: in the setup program and set the proper IP address.
[02:36:00] defaultro: to show on your client machine?
[02:37:00] thma: argh
[02:37:00] defaultro: i told you thma
[02:37:00] thma: Connecting to backend server: 10.0.0.185:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[02:37:00] thma: Connection timed out.
[02:37:00] defaultro: can you please do this
[02:37:00] defaultro: ifconfig eth0
[02:37:00] defaultro: just show the ip address line
[02:37:00] thma: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:80:57:7A:D8
[02:37:00] thma: inet addr:10.0.0.185 Bcast:10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
[02:37:00] defaultro: now, do this
[02:37:00] defaultro: netstat -na|grep 6543
[02:38:00] thma: nothing
[02:38:00] defaultro: mythbackend is not running then
[02:38:00] thma: that is what i am trying to get running
[02:38:00] defaultro: hmmm
[02:38:00] defaultro: you're trying to run mythfrontend
[02:38:00] thma: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[02:38:00] thma: mythbackend already running, use restart instead.
[02:39:00] defaultro: ps ax|grep mythbackend please
[02:39:00] thma: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[02:39:00] thma: Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.
[02:39:00] thma: .
[02:39:00] thma: Session management error: Could not open network socket
[02:39:00] defaultro: ps ax|grep mythbackend please
[02:39:00] thma: 21542 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep mythbackend
[02:39:00] defaultro: bam, it's not running
[02:39:00] defaultro: can you do this
[02:39:00] defaultro: which mythbackend
[02:40:00] thma: which mythbackend
[02:40:00] thma: /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:40:00] defaultro: ij
[02:40:00] defaultro: ok
[02:40:00] defaultro: try this
[02:40:00] defaultro: type /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:40:00] defaultro: can you copy the screen and put it in pastebin.com
[02:40:00] thma: yep
[02:41:00] thma: http://pastebin.com/537951
[02:42:00] defaultro: k
[02:42:00] thma: i see it says no capture cards
[02:42:00] thma: i thought i did that though
[02:42:00] defaultro: have you configured the cards?
[02:43:00] defaultro: did you ever execute mythtv-setup?
[02:43:00] thma: in mythtv-setup i thouhgt i did but prob not correctly
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: wow
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: my remote works
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: lmao
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: all that fucking work and all i had to do was let knoppmyth do its shit
[02:43:00] defaultro: thma, did you follow the HOWTO?
[02:43:00] Yellow-Snow: good god
[02:44:00] thma: um i deleted the settings when i reset the ip and didnt reinput them
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[02:44:00] defaultro: the HOWTO is really nice
[02:44:00] defaultro: hmmmm
[02:44:00] defaultro: go back there, set up the ip address
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[02:44:00] defaultro: go to second menu to create the capture cards
[02:44:00] thma: ip is set
[02:44:00] defaultro: and enter your zap2it account in menu3
[02:45:00] defaultro: and then 4 and 5
[02:45:00] defaultro: anyone here uses mythstream?
[02:45:00] defaultro: or any streaming
[02:45:00] thma: i have to have a zap account ok better go set one up i nver have need it before i could always check the schedules in browser w/o one
[02:46:00] ph|ber: anyone have any ideas on my prob?
[02:46:00] defaultro: it;s actually a nice to have so you know which programs you are recorrding
[02:46:00] defaultro: but mythtv should work even without zap2it
[02:47:00] defaultro: but it will only work in livetv
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[02:47:00] thma: i'll sign up no biggie
[02:47:00] ** defaultro is going to install VLS **
[02:48:00] thma: is datadirect ehe same as zap
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[02:48:00] thma: thx
[02:48:00] GreyFoxx: datadirect is a service provided by zap2it
[02:49:00] defaultro: hey GreyFoxx, how are you doing?
[02:49:00] GreyFoxx: good, good
[02:50:00] defaultro: are you doing streaming?
[02:50:00] GreyFoxx: pardon ?
[02:50:00] webbnetsys: defaultro: Back to what I was saying. I can't get the xserver to export the video to the TV with the ivtv driver
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[02:50:00] webbnetsys: I don't know if I need to use ivtv-fb or ivtvdev
[02:50:00] defaultro: I mean, are you connecting to your backend mythbox and having it send the mpg file to your client machine?
[02:51:00] webbnetsys: GreyFoxx: Hows it going. I am finally getting things working. Just have one last issue.
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: That's generally how myth works, so yes :)
[02:51:00] defaultro: sorry, I miss another part
[02:51:00] defaultro: I mean, it's a windows client
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: Oh, no
[02:51:00] Kelerion: GreyFoxx cheats.. he fires up a frontend in a vmware machine if he needs it :P
[02:51:00] defaultro: currently, i'm doing vlc as a media player but it's just a samba share
[02:51:00] defaultro: it's not really streaming
[02:51:00] GreyFoxx: Kelerion: Exactly, for the rare occasions I want to watch myth under windows I just use vmware
[02:52:00] defaultro: ok
[02:52:00] defaultro: I'm gonna try vls now
[02:52:00] Kelerion: I keep meaning to try that out.. I have slack in a vmware.. but it's been *years* since I used slack.. so not looked into getting it running as a FE too seriously
[02:52:00] dtm: defaultro: vls is obsolete
[02:52:00] dtm: defaultro: in favor of vlc
[02:52:00] defaultro: hmmm
[02:53:00] defaultro: you are wrong dude
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: He's right
[02:53:00] defaultro: vls is the server side and c is the client
[02:53:00] dtm: defaultro: ok then take it up with the vlc/vls dev team. the vls docs say so.
[02:53:00] defaultro: oh
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: vlc is the replacement of the old vls
[02:53:00] dtm: vlc is a client and a server
[02:53:00] defaultro: i'm not updated then
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: vlc is both
[02:53:00] defaultro: bam
[02:53:00] defaultro: thanks
[02:53:00] defaultro: i stand corrected
[02:53:00] dtm: no idea why they dont remove vls then ^_^
[02:53:00] GreyFoxx: I use vlc to stream to my office during the day
[02:53:00] defaultro: i'll stop downloading it then
[02:53:00] defaultro: they should remove the downloads
[02:54:00] defaultro: like what i said earlier, I can only watch my files when i'm at home
[02:54:00] defaultro: so i would like to go away from samba share, then use the real streaming
[02:55:00] GreyFoxx: mythstreamtv or just place vlc will let you stream to boxes anywhere
[02:55:00] defaultro: yep, that's what i want
[02:56:00] defaultro: i read somewhere that mythstream and mythstreamtv are totally different animals
[02:56:00] GreyFoxx: they are
[02:56:00] GreyFoxx: one is for audio I believe
[02:56:00] defaultro: so which one is for streaming
[02:56:00] defaultro: no, streamtune is the one for audio
[02:56:00] Kelerion: I got the stream to work.. but it was really low quality and jerky.. so just used vlc instead
[02:56:00] defaultro: cool
[02:56:00] GreyFoxx: mythstream is for audio streams, mythstreamtv is for streaming recordings and such via vlc
[02:56:00] defaultro: i'm downloading the tar.gz of vlc now
[02:57:00] defaultro: ok
[02:57:00] UBL: how do you browse programs to watch with mythstreamtv ?
[02:57:00] thma: /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend wants password which password
[02:57:00] defaultro: but from what I'm understanding, vlc can push stream to the other vlc client right?
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: UBL: It presents you a list of them
[02:57:00] Kelerion: you don't.. you select them from mythweb
[02:57:00] thma: datadirect, root, etc
[02:57:00] GreyFoxx: mythstreamtv is basically a mythweb addon that is just a wrapper for vlc
[02:57:00] thma: nm
[02:58:00] UBL: so mythstreamtv is better than mythweb ?
[02:58:00] defaultro: Kelerion, can you please hover your mouse on the recorded programs specifically the picture. I would like to know how the uRL is constructed
[02:58:00] achew22: Hello, I was wondering what folder mythbackend records to by default?
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: "a mythweb addon"
[02:58:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, am I correct that I really dont need mythtstreamtv? VLC is enough
[02:58:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: by default it's configured to use /mnt/store.... BUT if you are using a package then it could be anything
[02:59:00] achew22: okay, thankyou let me check that
[02:59:00] UBL: why do you need mythstreamtv if you can already watch from mythweb? seems redundant
[02:59:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: vlc would be enough, you would just have to come up with your own commandline
[02:59:00] Kelerion: defaultro: I don't use that facility.. so click on the thumb
[02:59:00] defaultro: UBL, i want to watch from anywhere
[02:59:00] Kelerion: mine just shows the BE's hostname
[02:59:00] achew22: GreyFoxx: That folder doesn't exist, is there any way to search for it?
[02:59:00] defaultro: UBL, my current setup doesn't allow me to to that
[02:59:00] Kelerion: eg: http://mythtv.8010.co.uk/mythweb/data/recordi . . . 03230000.mpg
[03:00:00] defaultro: ok
[03:00:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=2&a . . . s_id=93&
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: UBL: mythstreamtv is for streaming to different formats and bitrates so that you can feed it off to a machine over the net
[03:00:00] defaultro: Kelerion, with that, VLC gets called?
[03:00:00] UBL: GreyFoxx, ah
[03:00:00] defaultro: coz mine is like this
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: mythweb just has links that you can click and download the raw file like a regular weblink
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: Just run mythtv-setup and see what it is set too
[03:00:00] thma: hey i got something
[03:00:00] Kelerion: like I say.. I don't click it.. but I supposed so.. vlc is my default app for mpg's
[03:00:00] thma: yaaaaaaaaaaaa
[03:00:00] defaultro: mine is like this, myth:\\192.168.1.50\mythtvrecs/2189_20060203210000.mpg
[03:01:00] GreyFoxx: defaultro: It's configurable in the mythweb config file
[03:01:00] defaultro: it's a samba share
[03:01:00] defaultro: I know
[03:01:00] defaultro: but do I need to do something on the linux box?
[03:01:00] Kelerion: I haven't setup dsmyth fully
[03:01:00] defaultro: since we need to have VLC stream it to the other client
[03:01:00] defaultro: it's pretty working well
[03:02:00] defaultro: the only issue is that, i can only watch when i'm at home
[03:02:00] Yellow-Snow: whats that vnc server command to start it?
[03:02:00] defaultro: which prevents me from preaching mythtv to people all around me :D
[03:02:00] thma: any rason i cant scan for channels i nchanel setup
[03:03:00] defaultro: Kelerion, w that http link, which client gets called?
[03:03:00] defaultro: i think, you're just downloading the file
[03:03:00] defaultro: it's not really streaming
[03:03:00] ** Kelerion grumbles.. **
[03:03:00] Kelerion: re-read what I just said
[03:03:00] defaultro: ok
[03:04:00] Kelerion: " vlc is my default app for mpg's"
[03:04:00] defaultro: ok
[03:04:00] defaultro: gotcha
[03:04:00] defaultro: it just receives the mpg file and plays it :)
[03:04:00] defaultro: i think, that's enough for me too
[03:05:00] defaultro: i may have to re install apache to support huge file download
[03:05:00] defaultro: did you do that?
[03:05:00] achew22: is there a command that makes a folder pretend to be in another place but exist in both?
[03:05:00] defaultro: ln
[03:06:00] defaultro: ln -s /somedir /newdir
[03:06:00] Kelerion: nope
[03:06:00] achew22: sweet — thanks defaultro
[03:06:00] Kelerion: yes.. ln
[03:06:00] achew22: you're my hero... or something like that
[03:06:00] achew22: or as family guy would put it "aditionaly generic cop complement"
[03:06:00] defaultro: can you please tell me how your mythweb url is setup in the config file? I'll try it here
[03:06:00] defaultro: LOL
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[03:07:00] defaultro: coz if put the mpg file in my browser, it stays forever and nothing happens
[03:07:00] defaultro: I mean, http://ip/somefile.mpg
[03:07:00] Kelerion: it isn't set.. so it's default
[03:08:00] defaultro: this is what I have, define('video_url', 'myth:\\\192.168.1.50\\mythtvrecs');
[03:08:00] defaultro: ok, i will comment it out and test it
[03:08:00] Kelerion: like I *said* I don't use it.. I just open up files directly in vlc or from a little VB app I put together to show me recorded apps
[03:09:00] defaultro: oh
[03:09:00] defaultro: so you are saying that you are putting the exact http link on vlc manually?
[03:10:00] Kelerion: no..I right click a .mpg file in my mapped drive to the recorded folder on my BE... and open with vlc
[03:10:00] defaultro: gotcha
[03:10:00] Kelerion: I never once said I "streamed"
[03:11:00] achew22: is ls able to tell you where a symlinked folder really resides?
[03:11:00] thma: do i have to run something to reload settings after running chaneel editor
[03:11:00] webbnetsys: So how is anybody able to watch movies using MythTV.
[03:11:00] achew22: I am!
[03:11:00] nasa: howdy, what/how does mythtv do streaming audio?
[03:11:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: Add -la to it and it will show you filesize, permissions, date, etc
[03:11:00] GreyFoxx: ls -la symlinkname
[03:11:00] webbnetsys: Are you just using a video out on their local video card??
[03:12:00] webbnetsys: I really don't want to have to go out and buy another video card just because I can't get the driver to work on the Hauppage.
[03:13:00] ** Kelerion looks lost **
[03:13:00] thma: defaultro, do i have to run something to reload settings after running channel editor
[03:13:00] achew22: GreyFoxx: when I did that it listed the files, are there aditionaly switches needed to find out where its linked to
[03:14:00] defaultro: thma, not really, it should take
[03:14:00] defaultro: it
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: Don't put a / at the end of the name
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: so use ls -la moo instead of ls -la moo/
[03:14:00] thma: ok thatnks
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[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: mythtv@woop:~$ ls -la moo
[03:14:00] GreyFoxx: lrwxrwxrwx 1 mythtv users 12 2006-02–03 23:14 moo -> /data/mythtv
[03:14:00] defaultro: Kelerion, I modified the link, it's now http. I tried it and it's downloading the file :) I was hoping that it would run vlc
[03:15:00] defaultro: ah, i might have to associate nuv extension to vlc too
[03:15:00] achew22: okay — thankyou GreyFoxx
[03:15:00] defaultro: btw, i've been recording hd program for a long time but not sure if HD is an mpeg 4 format. Is it?
[03:15:00] GreyFoxx: no
[03:16:00] nasa: Anyone use mythstream?
[03:16:00] Kelerion: HD is still recorded in a .nuv format?
[03:16:00] GreyFoxx: HDTV is almost always in MPEG2-TS, but there is a form of it coming which will be MPEG4 known as H.264
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[03:18:00] achew22: H.264 is an apple standard isn't it?
[03:18:00] xpis: no, H.264 is mpeg4 part 10
[03:18:00] Kelerion: defaultro: did I by any chance give the impression I have *any* clue I know what I'm talking about? lol
[03:18:00] GreyFoxx: I think they have used it, but I don't believe they have any ownership of it
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[03:18:00] Kelerion: I don't.. really.. lol
[03:19:00] achew22: GreyFoxx: ohh, that makes sense. People were making a big deal of ipod video files ocming in somethign that was H.### and I couldn't remember what kind. I just assumed apple had some claim to it.
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[03:20:00] defaultro: GreyFoxx, what are mpg4 then?
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: Ummm What >
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: ?
[03:21:00] achew22: GreyFoxx: when i'm in nautalus (not really spelled that way I know) and I navigate to /var/www/html/mythweb it shows a folder called "video_dir" that is symlinked to some folder, but when I command line to /var/www/html/mythweb it isn't there, ohh mighty leader of the n00bs, where could I find the true location of this folder?
[03:21:00] defaultro: what type of files are they?
[03:21:00] GreyFoxx: 3 letters and a number ?>
[03:21:00] defaultro: LOL
[03:21:00] achew22: mpeg4 files are an extension of mpeg2 (as I understand) they have better compression and take a lot longer to create
[03:21:00] defaultro: k
[03:21:00] achew22: they really are their own thing-- but they are derived from mpeg2 in some way shape or form
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: from /var/www/html/mythweb jjust do an "s -la"
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[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: err "ls -la"
[03:22:00] achew22: I think that the mpeg4 compatible decoders are capible of playing mpeg2 (not through separate code, but due to backwards compatibility) so there has to be some common roots
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: it will just output all info about all files
[03:22:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: I don't think so
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[03:23:00] sean33: hi
[03:23:00] achew22: hello
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: they are capable of playing cause the makers design them to play box :)
[03:23:00] achew22: i'll look it up on wikipedia
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: it would be silly to design a decoder that doesn't support it :)
[03:23:00] GreyFoxx: s/box/both/
[03:23:00] achew22: right... ;)
[03:24:00] defaultro: i thought that it had something to do with picture quality
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[03:24:00] sean33: i got a problem ... have missed something irw works returning remote codes but no remote functions work with mythtv ?
[03:25:00] defaultro: Kelerion, it worked in VLC using http link
[03:25:00] sean33: lircd is running
[03:25:00] achew22: Cool: "The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) similarly adopted H.264/AVC for its international military use."
[03:25:00] UBL: sean33, build mythtv with lirc support?
[03:25:00] achew22: H.264 = mpeg4 part 10 (or whatever GreyFoxx said)
[03:26:00] sean33: i didnt compile myth just installed a binary package on fedora core 4
[03:26:00] sean33: " yum install mythtv-suite "
[03:26:00] UBL: did you edit the config file?
[03:27:00] sean33: which one ?
[03:27:00] achew22: does lirc emulate keystrokes or something else?
[03:27:00] achew22: lircd*
[03:27:00] UBL: ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[03:27:00] UBL: should be same file
[03:28:00] sean33: yep
[03:28:00] sean33: is that the home of the backend or the frontend ?
[03:28:00] UBL: i dont know how you can check if your mythtv was compiled with lirc support
[03:28:00] UBL: frontend that uses the remote/lirc
[03:29:00] sean33: yep ok have checked them
[03:29:00] achew22: YAY I FOUND MY FOLDER THAT HAS MY RECORDINGS!!!
[03:30:00] sean33: lol @ achew22
[03:30:00] achew22: I am almost in tears because I couldn't find it
[03:30:00] GreyFoxx: achew22: I told you that you could have just run mythtv-setup to find out :)
[03:30:00] achew22: really? i need to read better
[03:31:00] GreyFoxx: :)
[03:31:00] achew22: iroicly enough going about things the windows way (right clicking on files and going to properties) is how I did it
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[03:32:00] StickMan: anyone get an mceusb2 ir blaster working yet?
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[03:33:00] achew22: is there a way to take ownership of a folder?
[03:34:00] sean33: ok found the issue different button names :) great all works now :)
[03:35:00] achew22: aaw... I love happy endings
[03:35:00] achew22: "you and your mythtv box lived happily ever after. The end."
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[03:39:00] achew22: GreyFoxx, I feel silly that I didn't look earlier in mythsetup
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[03:40:00] rtsai: anyone with a mixed HD3000/PVR500 system?
[03:41:00] achew22: wow... that would be crazy!
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[04:06:00] sean33: hmmm no remote function in xine is that in the same file or some other place
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[04:07:00] stanton: rtsai: I have an HD5000 & PVR500
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[04:12:00] danl: Hi, im considering getting a vidcap card, im considering a hauppage of ati elite, which is supported better with nix and myth?
[04:17:00] danl: n/m
[04:17:00] danl: both don't work :-p
[04:22:00] Yellow-Snow: can anyone help me w/ vnc? i ran it but for some reason i cant connect
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[04:25:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i set my clock also
[04:26:00] achew22: are you in a graphical environment?
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: yup
[04:26:00] achew22: double click on the clock
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: no luck
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: knoppmyth
[04:26:00] achew22: right click?
[04:26:00] danl: did you include the window address to the server address?
[04:26:00] danl: such as :0 ?
[04:26:00] Yellow-Snow: um nope only clock format and clock 12h or 24h
[04:27:00] Yellow-Snow: me?
[04:27:00] danl: yea, for the vnc problem
[04:27:00] Yellow-Snow: um
[04:27:00] StickMan: anyone get an mceusb2 ir blaster working in their box?
[04:27:00] StickMan: also, does the mplayer plugin work in mythbrowser?
[04:28:00] achew22: I doubt it does
[04:28:00] achew22: but it might...
[04:28:00] Yellow-Snow: i did vncserver :20 -geometry 800x600
[04:29:00] achew22: how many monitors do you have on this computer?
[04:29:00] Yellow-Snow: 1?
[04:32:00] achew22: why the :20 then?
[04:32:00] Yellow-Snow: idk what im doing
[04:32:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho why cant i connect
[04:32:00] danl: example to connect would be
[04:32:00] danl: vncviewer MyServer:10
[04:32:00] achew22: me neither... i'm glad were on the same page
[04:32:00] Yellow-Snow: k
[04:32:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[04:32:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean windows
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[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: windows to my linux box
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: ran the vncserver on linux
[04:33:00] achew22: does anyone know how much time it takes (on adverage) to cut commercials?
[04:33:00] danl: myserver being the address for the box you want to conenct to
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: danl i have the view on my windows comp
[04:33:00] Yellow-Snow: viewer
[04:33:00] danl: yes
[04:34:00] Yellow-Snow: i started the server already
[04:34:00] danl: ok
[04:34:00] Yellow-Snow: no clue why it wont connect
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[04:34:00] danl: hmm
[04:35:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[04:35:00] danl: did u get my pm?
[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: gata register
[04:36:00] danl: k
[04:36:00] danl: if you wish you can give me the nix server address... no user name and pass tho, and i can see if i can get it to prompt me for one
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[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: yea ill give u everything i dont care
[04:36:00] danl: well don't do it in here
[04:36:00] Yellow-Snow: hm command to register? i forget
[04:36:00] danl: :-D
[04:37:00] Yellow-Snow: du
[04:37:00] danl: arg... i registured at the www.freenode.net
[04:37:00] Yellow-Snow: got it
[04:38:00] thma: /msg nickserv register
[04:38:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[04:38:00] thma: defaultro, thanks for help i got picture so i am closer then before
[04:42:00] sean33: how do i find what config = (something) for xine ?
[04:43:00] sean33: like the "A" on the keyboard controls aspect ratio
[04:43:00] sean33: so just put in an A ?
[04:46:00] achew22: is there a way to tell it to transcode a program into a file that is mpeg and doesn't have commercials?
[04:47:00] thma: sean i know keys.txt lists stuff
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[05:11:00] sean33: yea but is keys.txt refering to myth or xine controls im looking at it an it seems more myth related
[05:11:00] sean33: but thanks for the headsup : )
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[05:14:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[05:14:00] Yellow-Snow: for vnc
[05:14:00] Yellow-Snow: i connect.. why is it X not the real thing?
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[05:27:00] jnunez: Are there any apps to change the picture setting of my ivtv card?
[05:27:00] jnunez: sorry GUI apps
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[05:38:00] Yellow-Snow: um wtf
[05:38:00] Yellow-Snow: remote dosent work now?
[05:42:00] Yellow-Snow: @#$(O*!#@)$O*#!$@!#()*#@($)*#$(#@$*@$*!@$*@#$P!@83
[05:44:00] Yellow-Snow: i didnt touch anything w/ that
[05:44:00] Yellow-Snow: and now it dosent work
[05:44:00] Yellow-Snow: i swear
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[05:52:00] sean33: how do i tell ivtv to stop dualbanding so i can tune a radio station ?
[05:53:00] sean33: does myth have a radio plugin ?
[06:06:00] StickMan: im actually messing with that now sean
[06:06:00] StickMan: mythstreamer
[06:06:00] StickMan: for internet radio
[06:06:00] sean33: narr broadcast radio
[06:07:00] StickMan: oh
[06:07:00] StickMan: no idea
[06:07:00] sean33: theres mythFM
[06:08:00] sean33: tune in on 145.99 Mhz nasa droped a space suit out of the space station ->
[06:09:00] sean33: http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006 . . . e060203.html
[06:10:00] sean33: thats nuts -> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/exp . . . suitsat.html
[06:12:00] StickMan: lol
[06:12:00] SlicerDicer-: hello everybody I was wondering if anybody has played with mythdvd and ripped any dvds? I was reading the wiki and it says you can rip to mpeg4 avi with compression? I am trying to figure out how to work with this compression anybody done this?
[06:13:00] Yellow-Snow: can anyone tell me why my remote worked and now it dosent but i have only messed w/ vnc?
[06:13:00] sean33: i riped one dvd and it ended up a vob file
[06:13:00] SlicerDicer-: sean33: yeah I did one and it was giant
[06:13:00] SlicerDicer-: I am trying to figure out how to smaller it
[06:13:00] SlicerDicer-: about 700mb or so
[06:14:00] SlicerDicer-: that would be ideal
[06:15:00] StickMan: snow, it might be messing with lirc
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[06:17:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[06:18:00] Yellow-Snow: arg
[06:18:00] Yellow-Snow: reformat #3
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[06:22:00] Yellow-Snow: mmm ok
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[06:25:00] Yellow-Snow: so why is it recording in black?
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[06:27:00] sean33: geesus this suit is traveling at 27737km/h , man that is realy booking
[06:28:00] rjune: ?
[06:29:00] sean33: nasa – free roaming spacesuit
[06:29:00] sean33: http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006 . . . e060203.html
[06:29:00] rjune: yeah, looking at the link
[06:29:00] sean33: _> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/tracking/index.html
[06:29:00] sean33: is quite interesting
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: so does anyone know why i can watch tv but not record?
[06:30:00] sean33: moving dam quick
[06:30:00] sean33: Yellow-Snow, directory permitions
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: k what do i have to do?
[06:30:00] sean33: Yellow-Snow, check them
[06:30:00] Yellow-Snow: how?
[06:31:00] sean33: can your frontend user read and write them might be a good place to start
[06:31:00] Yellow-Snow: frontend is my backend ect
[06:31:00] sean33: maybe identify where the directory is
[06:32:00] Yellow-Snow: im still lost
[06:33:00] sean33: great series Lost isnt it
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[06:34:00] Yellow-Snow: i dont think its that
[06:34:00] Yellow-Snow: b/c i use knoppmyth
[06:34:00] sean33: Yellow-Snow this is very basic linux stuff , check the permitions on the directory you have set as the recording directory make sure you can read and write to it , with the user you are running as
[06:35:00] Yellow-Snow: k i think i can..sorta.. sean this is my 3rd day
[06:35:00] sean33: chmod 777 <directoryname> will Read write excecute from Owner , Group and Global
[06:35:00] sean33: man chmod
[06:36:00] sean33: and ls -ald <directoryname> will show the current permitions
[06:36:00] rjune: ew 777?
[06:36:00] Yellow-Snow: whats the mythtv setup command ?
[06:36:00] sean33: lol well im not going to explain them all
[06:37:00] sean33: if its permition 777 will fix it
[06:37:00] Yellow-Snow: if thats the problem.. which i doubt it is
[06:37:00] Yellow-Snow: but whats the command to run mythtv setup again
[06:37:00] Yellow-Snow: so i can see where its saving the files.. or the dir its pointed to
[06:39:00] SlicerDicer-: I got another question for you fine fellows if you may have experience with this or not I do not know
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: does anybody know if its possible for running audio out of the hardware decoder on hauppauge cause I do hardware decode video and the audio is piped through there so is it possible to have mythvideo pipe the audio out of there
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: or rather mplayer run the audio out of my hauppauge pvr-350
[06:40:00] SlicerDicer-: it runs the video no problem but the audio is mean about it
[06:44:00] sean33: Yellow-Snow, mythtv-setup
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[07:04:00] ExUser2: what directory to hold recordings? /myth/tv?
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[07:05:00] achew22: no its in mount
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[07:05:00] achew22: ExUser2: its in /mount somewhere usualy
[07:06:00] achew22: ExUser2: if you go to shell and type mythtv-setup (which runs the setup utill) you will be able to find it. its one of those options. My files are in /var/mythtv/
[07:06:00] achew22: but thats by my choice
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[07:14:00] notslad: blast.. sorry about that
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[07:27:00] notslad: welcome Fosten !
[07:27:00] notslad: I just joined the group a few minutes ago..
[07:27:00] notslad: it's pretty quiet right now
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[07:33:00] notslad: hmm... lots of joining, not much typing..
[07:33:00] notslad: anyone here use mythTV?
[07:33:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[07:33:00] notslad: I'm trying to decide between mythTV and TV
[07:33:00] notslad: er.. TiVo, that is
[07:33:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[07:34:00] Yellow-Snow: can you watch live tv and record @ the same time?
[07:34:00] lupin_sanse1: how do I find out if a particular TV tuner card will work with mythtv (Divco FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite)
[07:34:00] Yellow-Snow: or not unless u have pvr 250 or 350
[07:34:00] notslad: I'd have to get the hardware together to get MythTV to work.. and I don't know much about TiVo's features...
[07:35:00] notslad: I can't even say if TiVo lets me watch and record at the same time.. I assume it does, since it can pause, and record movies for watching later..
[07:37:00] lupin_sanse1: .join #KnoppMyth
[07:37:00] lupin_sanse1: whoops
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[07:39:00] notslad: from the documentation, it seems that I'll need to get at least a PIII, and a decent video card with mpeg-2 encoding builtin... 'cuz I'm cheap.. about how much have ya'lls MythTV systems cost?
[07:39:00] Yellow-Snow: i spent so far
[07:39:00] Yellow-Snow: ~160
[07:39:00] Yellow-Snow: tivo is ~350
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: all i had to get was 300gb hd and pvr-150 video input
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i had the rest
[07:40:00] notslad: does that include price of scavenged parts? or was all of that freshly paid for?
[07:40:00] notslad: ah
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i had 1.0 amd w/ 312 ram or something
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: and motherboard ect
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: but everytime i upgrade my comp
[07:40:00] Yellow-Snow: i upgrade my pvr
[07:41:00] notslad: nice :^)
[07:41:00] Yellow-Snow: not to mention the shit you can do in the long run w/ the pvr.. games/media/server ect
[07:41:00] notslad: was MythTV very comfortable with 312 ram?
[07:41:00] Yellow-Snow: oh idk its working fine now
[07:41:00] notslad: yeah.. I saw the console emulators.. thatz awesome!
[07:41:00] Yellow-Snow: also
[07:41:00] Yellow-Snow: what i am going to attempt.. go get an old vcr.. gut it.. install this comp into it
[07:42:00] Yellow-Snow: that way it will look like a vcr or something
[07:42:00] notslad: :^)
[07:42:00] notslad: have you heard anything about a remote-control option combined with mythTV? I mean, besides a wireless keyboard :^)
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[07:42:00] Yellow-Snow: i am using a remote right now
[07:42:00] Yellow-Snow: just got it working today
[07:42:00] Yellow-Snow: pvr-150 w/ remote 60$
[07:42:00] notslad: universal remote?
[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: no came with it
[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: u can use universal also
[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: rip knoppmyth
[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: and it does everything for u
[07:43:00] notslad: wow.. I'm liking this more and more :^)
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[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: yea but its still hard
[07:43:00] Yellow-Snow: 3rd day doing this
[07:44:00] Yellow-Snow: but thats when nice irc people come in handy
[07:44:00] notslad: so.. with an old PIII box, a new hard drive, and a pvr card I can get a system up for ~$200...
[07:44:00] notslad: :^)
[07:44:00] lupin_sanse1: if I get knoppmyth and put it in a computer with an old harddrive, will it reformat it and set it up for me? (That's what I want)
[07:44:00] notslad: and no subscription fee
[07:44:00] Yellow-Snow: yes
[07:44:00] Yellow-Snow: 100% reformat
[07:44:00] Yellow-Snow: and set up mythtv ect
[07:44:00] lupin_sanse1: cool
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: and if u need someone to walk you through it i can
[07:45:00] achew22: Yellow-Snow does the pvr-150 I got at compusa last night have a remote?
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: i?
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: u mean me?
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[07:45:00] lupin_sanse1: I hope it supports my DVB card – a Divco Fusion one
[07:45:00] achew22: isn't your name Yellow-Snow?
[07:45:00] achew22: ;)
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: u said "I got"
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: yea mine came with one but didnt have MCE
[07:45:00] achew22: I got one at compusa yesterday too
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: so basically what i wanted
[07:45:00] Yellow-Snow: oh same here
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: u get the rebate?
[07:46:00] achew22: I got 2
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[07:46:00] achew22: and I have a pvr250 from before
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: i just made it in time
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: ah nice
[07:46:00] achew22: and I think I have a 500 sitting somewhere
[07:46:00] achew22: I love pvrs...
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: send it to me
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^
[07:46:00] achew22: ha ha ha
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: im a poor college student
[07:46:00] achew22: sell it to you — for double retail is more like it
[07:46:00] achew22: i'm a poor highschooler
[07:46:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: lol poor quality is not that poor
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: ^^
[07:47:00] achew22: i stole the pvr500 from a friend who got a freeone because he worked at best buy and quit
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: for my 10 gig till my 300 comes in
[07:47:00] lupin_sanse1: what tuners does knoppmyth support?
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: um
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: idk
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: for newbs?
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: only pvr's
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: for those who know linux
[07:47:00] achew22: I think it has support for ivtv (PVR-150/250/350/500)
[07:47:00] Yellow-Snow: others
[07:48:00] lupin_sanse1: how do I find it if mine is supported in knoppmyth?
[07:48:00] Yellow-Snow: google.com
[07:48:00] achew22: look for a list of video4linux compatible cards
[07:48:00] fryfrog: boot up, check dmesg?
[07:48:00] lupin_sanse1: (I guess try it!)
[07:48:00] achew22: no
[07:48:00] Yellow-Snow: idk man
[07:48:00] achew22: no no no google
[07:48:00] Yellow-Snow: this is my 3rd day
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[07:48:00] achew22: yay!
[07:48:00] Yellow-Snow: doing linux
[07:48:00] achew22: i'm on day 7
[07:48:00] notslad: have you heard of anyone trying to start a business re-packaging mythTV?
[07:48:00] Yellow-Snow: nope
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[07:49:00] lupin_sanse1: yes in australia "Ice TV"
[07:49:00] fryfrog: i've read aof a few people
[07:49:00] notslad: so that the masses don't have to feel like they need to know linux.. silly masses..
[07:49:00] achew22: what does the "Ice" do?
[07:49:00] notslad: Ice Tv.. I'll have to look that up.. I wonder how well they're doing
[07:49:00] fryfrog: mostly selling pre-configured boxes
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[07:49:00] fryfrog: achew22: probably keeps it cool? :)
[07:49:00] achew22: chuckle
[07:50:00] achew22: this wouldn't be that funny if I hadn't gotten 10 hours of sleep since monday...
[07:50:00] fryfrog: hehe
[07:51:00] achew22: any AccuView card will work
[07:51:00] achew22: any pvr card will
[07:51:00] notslad: as long as linux has the drivers for it..
[07:52:00] achew22: yeah, but there are exceptions
[07:52:00] achew22: there are a few cards that don't use the v4l set and they cant interface with myth
[07:52:00] Yellow-Snow: all-in-wonder
[07:52:00] achew22: yeah
[07:52:00] Yellow-Snow: but u can use windows
[07:53:00] achew22: that was what I was going to say
[07:53:00] Yellow-Snow: and use their pvr shit
[07:53:00] achew22: no
[07:54:00] achew22: use showshifter.... I couldn't get their crappy software to work with their shitty drivers and I got showshifter and it worked (http://www.showshifter.com)
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: ?
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[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: idk
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: i would get windows pvr
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: and crack their pgorams
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: so i dont have to pay for them
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: but thast just what i do
[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: anywho im out
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[07:54:00] Yellow-Snow: lata
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[07:55:00] achew22: if u get showshifter you can get a keygen or I can crack it for oyu – or give you my serial
[07:58:00] lupin_sanse1: If I have a knoppmyth machine on a LAN can other Windows machines share files with it?
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[08:01:00] achew22: yes — you have to setup samba
[08:02:00] achew22: lupin_sanse1: you wanted to see the list of cards here it is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware
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[08:05:00] notslad: I miss Yellow-Snow..
[08:06:00] notslad: so, what TV-tuner cards are being used? of the people who are in this room... and how well do they hold up? choppy? smooth? color problems?
[08:07:00] NightMonkey: PVR-350. Rocks.
[08:07:00] simcop2387: there we go
[08:07:00] simcop2387: Notorious: pvr-150, works great, only had minor headaches the first time i set it up because i had no freaking clue what i was doing
[08:07:00] notslad: hmm... a little out of my price range...
[08:08:00] notslad: pvr-150 is a lot closer to what I (poor college student) can afford :^)
[08:08:00] simcop2387: and now the docs are alot better for it too
[08:08:00] simcop2387: notslad: ah another fellow college student with no money, i got mine cheap on ebay
[08:08:00] notslad: pvr-150 handles the mpeg-2 encoding on-board, right? so you don't have to have a top-o-the-line CPU?
[08:08:00] simcop2387: $50 + $10 shipping
[08:08:00] simcop2387: yep
[08:09:00] simcop2387: notslad: i love hardware encoders now, once i get out of college and get a job i'm getting two more cards, pvr500's they're exactly like 150's but with two tuners on board each
[08:09:00] ** simcop2387 isn't the only one watching tv from mythtv **
[08:10:00] simcop2387: the only problem i've had with the 150's is that sometimes the firmware doesn't load correctly after a reboot, and i've got to power down for 30 seconds, but since i don't reboot often it isn't a problem for me
[08:11:00] simcop2387: the pricetrade off for me is worth that little inconvienience
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[08:13:00] simcop2387: i setup a pvr250 for my parents, works great too, pretty much any of the pvr's are awsome
[08:14:00] notslad: simcop2387: thatz weird.. is that a common problem?
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[08:14:00] notslad: simcop2387: are your parents techies? do they use the extra features?
[08:15:00] simcop2387: notslad: not sure how common it is, but i learned that trick from someone else
[08:15:00] degreseven: is there a way to make myth list videos & music files directly from the directory, rather than using the database? I'm constantly adding new files & i really get annoyed having to refresh the listings every time
[08:16:00] simcop2387: notslad: they aren't "techies" but my dad is more technically inclined, my mom can use it well enough to tell it to record a single show when she wants it and watch the recording later, also the picture gallery they use alot too, (huge ass 56" hdtv, vga input w00t)
[08:16:00] achew22: simcop2387 when you said 50+10 was that for a online store?
[08:16:00] simcop2387: achew22: ebay back in august
[08:16:00] achew22: ahh
[08:16:00] notslad: simcop2387: wow.. thatz some picture show :^)
[08:16:00] achew22: go to compUSA and get it for 80 with a 30$ mail in rebate
[08:16:00] simcop2387: achew22: nice
[08:16:00] achew22: I got 2 of them
[08:17:00] simcop2387: degreseven: i know videos can, theres an option to browse files directly in the setup in there, don't remember where, i have it set for that too for the same reason
[08:17:00] degreseven: simcop2387, just in the setup for the frontend? i didn't see anything for it in there, i'll double check though
[08:18:00] simcop2387: its under the videos setup, i can check if you want, though i'm in the middle of watching tonights monk :)
[08:18:00] degreseven: nono, don't let me interupt =)
[08:18:00] degreseven: thanks a lot though
[08:18:00] degreseven: must have just missed it
[08:19:00] simcop2387: utils/setup->setup->media settings->videos settings->general->video list browses files (first page)
[08:19:00] simcop2387: i love the automatic bookmarking :)
[08:19:00] degreseven: =D, ty
[08:19:00] degreseven: yeah, i just love myth in general
[08:19:00] simcop2387: music might have a similar one, i don't use it though
[08:20:00] achew22: does anyone know of a way to automaticly cut out commercials and save the file as a mpeg2/4?
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[08:20:00] simcop2387: nuvexport can do that IIRC
[08:23:00] laga: mythtranscdoe as well (mpeg2 only in pre 0.19, though)
[08:23:00] achew22: is that a plugin?
[08:23:00] laga: mythtranscode*, sorr<y
[08:24:00] achew22: ??
[08:24:00] achew22: how and where do you configure it?
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[08:25:00] simcop2387: get svn compiled, i'm waiting until release though
[08:25:00] laga: well, check for the transcoding profiles (that's located in the screen for the recording profiles)
[08:25:00] laga: simcop2387: yhe doesn't have to use svn if mpeg4 in a nuppelvideo container is enough for him
[08:25:00] simcop2387: yea
[08:26:00] achew22: does post 0.19 have support for mpeg2 or is it only 4?
[08:27:00] simcop2387: 0.19 will have mpeg2 support if i understand correctly
[08:29:00] achew22: okay, I have a pvr-250 in my computer. can I have it output as a .mpg file?
[08:31:00] lupin_sanse1: with the DVB cards the computer doesn't actually do the mpeg2 encoding does it. mpeg2 is what's transmitted over the air
[08:31:00] achew22: cool! um — what should I do to output the mpeg files though?
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[08:34:00] casey: anyone around?
[08:34:00] lupin_sanse1: anyone here using a HDTV DVB card?
[08:34:00] achew22: depends, what do you need?
[08:35:00] casey: just trying to set up ivtv on a new ubuntu install
[08:35:00] achew22: ooh i'm good at that
[08:35:00] achew22: i did it 4 times
[08:35:00] casey: sweet
[08:35:00] achew22: whats gone wrong?
[08:35:00] casey: was following http://patrick.wagstrom.net/tutorials/mythTV6 . . . xml#section5
[08:36:00] casey: get to this section
[08:36:00] achew22: are you 64 bit?
[08:36:00] casey: yeah
[08:36:00] casey: Your driver is now installed, but you'll still need to get the firmware for the driver. There are lots of versions, and while the version on your install CD will probably work, it's not the ideal version. For that, you'll need to trust me that the version you can pull from the internet is better. Here are the last commands you'll need to run:
[08:36:00] casey: FIXME: fill in commands later
[08:36:00] casey: ...
[08:36:00] casey: heh
[08:36:00] achew22: do you have an nvidea card?
[08:36:00] casey: yeah
[08:36:00] casey: 6600 gt
[08:36:00] achew22: do you have your nvidea drivers done?
[08:36:00] casey: no
[08:37:00] achew22: I have 0 experience with those drivers so you will have to play with them yourself. But I would be happy to help as much as I can with IVTV
[08:37:00] achew22: my first sugestion is to not use that tutorial
[08:38:00] casey: yeah
[08:38:00] casey: its like broken :)
[08:39:00] achew22: one sec
[08:39:00] achew22: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[08:39:00] achew22: that one is more way better
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[08:40:00] achew22: the hardest part of ivtv is finding the howto
[08:41:00] achew22: casey, its like 2am — I have to go to bed
[08:41:00] achew22: I hope you have fun doing that. It will take you ~20 min if you just follow instructions to the tee
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[08:55:00] notslad: so, what are the benifits of doing MythTV instead of TiVo?
[08:55:00] notslad: I mean, for a non-tech... someone who doesn't want to play with customizing everything..
[08:56:00] laga: well.more diskspace? the plugins in general?
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[08:59:00] lupin_sanse1: money?
[08:59:00] lupin_sanse1: more expandable – you can add multiple tuner cards
[08:59:00] notslad: how much would you pay for a box that had mythTV already set up? Or is MythTV only cost effective when you've got extra hardware lying around?
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[09:00:00] notslad: multiple tuner cards.. that would be a good reason.. but there aren't usually a lot of conflicts over what show to watch at my house..
[09:00:00] laga: that had mythtv already setup? boy, those are expensive. www.mysettopbox.tv they have some there
[09:00:00] lupin_sanse1: well in Oz we can get 80GB pvrs for $299
[09:00:00] laga: sorry, i've got to run now
[09:01:00] notslad: laga: l8r! :^)
[09:01:00] lupin_sanse1: .. so in Oz if you don't already have the computer mythtv is more expensive
[09:01:00] lupin_sanse1: but all pvr UIs are super lame I reckon
[09:02:00] lupin_sanse1: mythtv will also get better all the time whereas you're pretty stuck with a pvrs UI
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[09:07:00] galorin: Ok, this is really starting to get annoying. My in-law's huge monitor has arrived, and I can't get it to work properly. It's max widescreen resolution is 720x400 @ 70Hz. Text mode defaults to this, but I can't convince X to use this display setting. I've tried several modeline settings, to no avail. I don't have physical access to the PC, and he doesn't have net access. Anyone able to offer suggestions on this?
[09:07:00] SlicerDicer-: damn mad props to whoever created mythdvd
[09:07:00] SlicerDicer-: I just figured the thing out :)
[09:08:00] fryfrog: galorin: have you tried google for his monitors model number and such?
[09:08:00] fryfrog: 720x400 seems like an odd WS HD resolution?
[09:08:00] fryfrog: unless its not hd?
[09:08:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: good point... features at the speed of open source
[09:08:00] galorin: It's not a HDTV
[09:09:00] galorin: I think he wasted his money personally.
[09:09:00] dtm: galorin: how is it possible for a monitor to max out at 720x400?
[09:09:00] lupin_sanse1: also no legal red tape, so myth can suport dvd ripping and so on
[09:09:00] dtm: also note that 720x400 is not "widescreen"
[09:10:00] dtm: there is no media format i've ever heard of that's 720x400
[09:10:00] fryfrog: er, yeah it is?
[09:10:00] fryfrog: 720x400 ~~ 1.8
[09:10:00] mchou: galorin: maybe it's an EDTV
[09:10:00] dtm: ok if you say so
[09:10:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: hmmm... I'm playing with the idea of re-packaging mythTV for joe-user.. trying to see if I could make a profit :^)
[09:10:00] fryfrog: 1280x720 ~~ 1.7778
[09:10:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: I wonder if the lawyers would mind if I included DVD ripping.. :^)
[09:10:00] fryfrog: but its sure as heck not a *standard* HD WS def :)
[09:10:00] mchou: galorin: 853x480
[09:10:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: they seem to have tons of fun with CD ripping...
[09:11:00] fryfrog: notslad: yes, you'd likely end up with big legal problems
[09:11:00] fryfrog: notslad: if/when they notice you
[09:11:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: what country are you in?
[09:11:00] notslad: US
[09:11:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: Unless you were selling loads nobody would notice
[09:11:00] fryfrog: just be sure to incorporate
[09:11:00] fryfrog: so taht when you do get sued, you won't lose your house and shit
[09:12:00] fryfrog: just company assets
[09:12:00] fryfrog: i think, consult a real lawyer :0
[09:12:00] lupin_sanse1: Some companies in Oz sell preconfigured mythtv boxes. Trouble is they look expensive compared to cheapo Chinese PVRs that are available here
[09:12:00] notslad: hehe... I like the whole "don't lose your own house" advice, though :^)
[09:13:00] fryfrog: galorin: I would search google for people w/ the same monitor and modelines. failing that, he could hook up a windows box and use "power strip" to get the right modelines
[09:13:00] lupin_sanse1: And anybody who could appreciate the difference between a bog standard PVR and Myth would probably have the skills to set their own one up
[09:13:00] fryfrog: notslad: you should just sell modded tivos
[09:13:00] mchou: if you want to go into business ditributing mythtv, do it on an embedded device (i.e not a computer)
[09:13:00] mchou: distributing*
[09:13:00] notslad: it seems that iceTV has shifted their focus to providing TV-Guide-like services... but you can buy their hardware if you want to...
[09:13:00] fryfrog: notslad: they'd be cheaper and easier to deal with :)
[09:13:00] fryfrog: has anyone embeded myth yet?
[09:14:00] fryfrog: that'd be neat, but i think you'd need some full time developers to tweak some aspects of myth :0
[09:14:00] lupin_sanse1: Calculate the minimum you could sell a custom made Myth tv box for, and then compare it against a cheap PVR
[09:14:00] mchou: I doubt it. But it souldnt be too hard to embed.
[09:14:00] mchou: shouldn't*
[09:14:00] galorin: Oh, great. His monitor has been discontinued. It's a 27" that suposedly does 1280x760, but according to the manual, the max resolutions for DVI/VGA inputs is 1024x768 (stretched screen)
[09:15:00] lupin_sanse1: I reckon it would be really hard to sell a decent Myth TV box for less than $1000
[09:15:00] fryfrog: galorin: wtf???
[09:15:00] fryfrog: galorin: that sucks penix, did he save his recipet?
[09:15:00] mchou: galorin: where does your bro in law live?
[09:15:00] fryfrog: galorin: I got my Sony HDWS for $850
[09:15:00] notslad: looks like the cost of building would be ~$300(US).. and thatz assuming an ugly PC case
[09:15:00] mchou: fryfrog: size?
[09:15:00] galorin: fryfrog, that was my reaction. Yeah he has. I htink maybe I'll tell him to return it and get a different monitor
[09:15:00] fryfrog: 30", tube
[09:16:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: out of interest how do you get to $300?
[09:16:00] fryfrog: galorin: the Sony's score very high in CR tests
[09:16:00] fryfrog: notslad: damn, i don't see how you could do it for less than ~800–1k
[09:16:00] mchou: fryfrog: why so expensive?
[09:16:00] fryfrog: $50 for a vid, $50 for mb, $50–100 for cpu is a SHIT system and thats most of your price already
[09:17:00] fryfrog: well, humm okay a little less :)
[09:17:00] lupin_sanse1: minimum would be some celron system with ~512mb of RAM a tuner card, 80GB Hdd, and a TV out video card, and a remote control
[09:17:00] fryfrog: and 80G hd is *crap* :)
[09:17:00] mchou: they dont even sell 80GB drives any more :)
[09:17:00] lupin_sanse1: exactly
[09:18:00] fryfrog: maybe could find a good bulk deal on old GF4 cards :)
[09:18:00] lupin_sanse1: in Oz the cheapest DVB card is $150, and you can buy a whole digital PVR for $299 – so you'd never compete
[09:18:00] mchou: GF4 wont work well
[09:18:00] mchou: bad xvmc
[09:18:00] fryfrog: neither will a celeron :)
[09:18:00] fryfrog: really?
[09:18:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah
[09:18:00] fryfrog: what's teh better?
[09:18:00] notslad: PIII w/ case and 128M ram and 30 GB HD ~$90, PVR-150 ~$65, 100GB HD ~$70 ==== 375
[09:18:00] galorin: He's looking to spend ~500 for a big widescreen tv that will work as a good everyday computer monitor as well (though from the other side of the room) We thought this'd be a good one, but it is crap.
[09:18:00] lupin_sanse1: Chinese cheap 80g PVR
[09:18:00] fryfrog: 5200ish?
[09:18:00] fryfrog: galorin: that sounds like an unlikely goal :(
[09:19:00] mchou: fryfrog: that would work
[09:19:00] fryfrog: galorin: a 21" ws dell monitor is like $800
[09:19:00] lupin_sanse1: notsalad: then you need to factor in your assembly cost, warranty cost, and a profit for youself!
[09:19:00] fryfrog: galorin: and i'd still not want to use my 30" hdtv for a montior
[09:19:00] lupin_sanse1: I
[09:19:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: I dont see how it would be a viable business model.....
[09:19:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: my neither
[09:19:00] galorin: I tried to talk him into a smaller monitor, but he wasn't having any of it.
[09:20:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: makes it more interesting, doesn't it :^)
[09:20:00] fryfrog: $500 will get you a very good, but probably not big EDTV or SDTV of non-ws variety
[09:20:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: you'd be lucky to get 1 customer
[09:20:00] fryfrog: you might be better off with a service model
[09:20:00] lupin_sanse1: Perhaps you could sell a super high end myth system, with 3 tuner cards, 1TB disk, the lot. Something a PVR won't be offering for ages, and then target high end rich guys
[09:20:00] mchou: fryfrog: check out costco EDTVs lately?
[09:20:00] fryfrog: where you offer to do installation, support, etc for mythtv people
[09:21:00] fryfrog: mchou: no costco near me :(
[09:21:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: the only hope that I could see would be to make a big deal about no subscription fees and constantly add new plugins to make it more flexible..
[09:21:00] fryfrog: mchou: why?
[09:21:00] mchou: fryfrog: nice and inexpensive
[09:21:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: I reckon go for the super expensive fully decked out system
[09:21:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: and I don't really have much hope for that right now :^)
[09:21:00] mchou: with costco warrantys
[09:21:00] fryfrog: nice
[09:21:00] mchou: costco warranties are the bomb!
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[09:21:00] galorin: He also suggested I build and sell mythboxes. I figure £500+ for the PC and £300 flat fee for labour, no one would want to buy 'em.
[09:22:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: You could try just selling a tuner card, plus installation of Knoppmyth or something
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[09:22:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: lol
[09:22:00] mchou: that makes even less sense
[09:22:00] lupin_sanse1: ;)
[09:22:00] lupin_sanse1: I reckon the high end system for the home theatre enthusiast
[09:22:00] galorin: Looks like we're essentially screwed, just made a bad purchase.
[09:22:00] lupin_sanse1: people with more money than sense
[09:23:00] lupin_sanse1: advertise in one of those airline magazines that 1st class passengers read
[09:23:00] notslad: lupin_sanse1: I'll dress in a suit, give them a dashing smile... and practically sign their name for them...
[09:23:00] ** notslad wakes up **
[09:24:00] galorin: That's my in-law lupin_sanse1, £500 on speakers, £500 on tv, £300 on amp, £100 on an aerial, $60 on a new sound card!
[09:24:00] lupin_sanse1: don't underestimate how appealing gadgets are to the 30 something rich guy. They spend all their money on boats and boxters
[09:24:00] galorin: £60 rather, makes a big difference
[09:24:00] lupin_sanse1: $10,000 is pocket money to those guys – put together some ultimate PVR system for $10,000
[09:25:00] notslad: but the rich guy probably already got TiVo with DirectTV... grr..
[09:25:00] lupin_sanse1: but myth will run rings around tivo
[09:25:00] mchou: ok, anyone know if there is a aacPlus player in linux?
[09:25:00] mchou: preferably OSS?
[09:25:00] notslad: yeah.. with the plugins.. but you have to have a use for the plugins..
[09:25:00] lupin_sanse1: mp3s, games, different front ends in the home office, bathroom, bedroom etc
[09:26:00] lupin_sanse1: you know there's a company that sells LCD TV panels for the bathroom that fit into bathroom tiles!
[09:26:00] notslad: each "front-end" has to have a PC at it, right? even if itz a diskless thinclient..
[09:26:00] lupin_sanse1: XBOX front end!
[09:26:00] fryfrog: blech
[09:26:00] lupin_sanse1: ;)
[09:26:00] mchou: fryfrog: nothing wrong w/xbox fe :)
[09:26:00] lupin_sanse1: but for $10,000 you could have a nice quiet one
[09:27:00] notslad: hehe.. X-Box.. boxy but good... ;^)
[09:27:00] mchou: except for MS going after ya:)
[09:27:00] lupin_sanse1: I would contact those companies that install home theatres in rich peoples houses. You might be able to strike a deal where you supply the PVR
[09:27:00] notslad: now that might work...
[09:27:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah they install the whole thing for rich guys
[09:27:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: nah, I doubt it
[09:27:00] notslad: re-theme it so that it has the home-theater-installer's company name...
[09:28:00] lupin_sanse1: ... speakers all over the house etc
[09:28:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: good idea
[09:28:00] notslad: pitch it as an "all in one! don't buy all these gadgets seperate.."
[09:28:00] lupin_sanse1: it would only cost you a letter and a phone call to find out
[09:28:00] mchou: the rich guys would just pay for tivos and whatnot
[09:28:00] lupin_sanse1: but you can persuade rich guys that mythtv is so much better
[09:28:00] mchou: only cheapskates build their own pvrs, to avoid the subscription fees.
[09:29:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: I doubt that
[09:29:00] mchou: pvr150 vid quality sux
[09:29:00] lupin_sanse1: don't go after the "avoid subscription fees market" go after the 1TB 4 tuners, front ends around the house market
[09:29:00] mchou: and no CableCARD support in linux
[09:29:00] lupin_sanse1: be the Hummer, not the Hyundau
[09:29:00] lupin_sanse1: "Hyundai"
[09:30:00] galorin: ok, got a few ideas.. ta for the chat. Anyone want a 19Kg duff widescreen?
[09:30:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: that's called the satellite and cable mkt.
[09:30:00] lupin_sanse1: I could persuade a rich guy in 1 minute that myth was better
[09:30:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: bullshit
[09:30:00] notslad: I'd feel so dirty... like some amoral used-car salesman..
[09:30:00] lupin_sanse1: funny
[09:31:00] lupin_sanse1: notslad: welcome to capitalism
[09:31:00] fryfrog: I'd like to build a "commune" with my family just to buid a huge myth box :0
[09:31:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: the guy would want to do an A/B video quality comparison and myth would lose
[09:31:00] notslad: fryfrog: LOL!
[09:31:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: A/B with Tivo you mean?
[09:31:00] fryfrog: with like 4 HDTV OTA tuners and prolly 4x SDTV + Sat / Cable
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[09:31:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: yup
[09:31:00] lupin_sanse1: how come?
[09:32:00] mchou: cause pvr150 video quality sux compared to tivos tuner
[09:32:00] fryfrog: avoid the tuner
[09:32:00] fryfrog: use a cable / sat box via svideo, it'd be nice then ?
[09:32:00] lupin_sanse1: why would you use a PVR 150 in a Hummer system?
[09:32:00] fryfrog: or is it the pvr150/250 mpeg2 encoder that sucks?
[09:32:00] mchou: and even for DVB/ATSC cards, video cards leave a bit to be desired.
[09:33:00] lupin_sanse1: You would be using the best card there is, going straight to plasma's DVI or something
[09:33:00] lupin_sanse1: .. or projection
[09:33:00] fryfrog: the little bit of HDTV out i've seen from myth has been *very* nice
[09:33:00] mchou: fryfrog: no, I'm certain it's the tuner electronics that suck, not the mpeg stage
[09:33:00] lupin_sanse1: anyway just an idea – worth trying out for fun – only cost you a bit of your time and you might end up with a nice career
[09:33:00] fryfrog: so just make sure your sales presentation is hooked up with a sat/cab external box :)
[09:33:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: no way
[09:34:00] fryfrog: and for teh extra, show em with an HDTV OTA card
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[09:34:00] fryfrog: life would be a lot better if you could get HDTV over cable/sat -> PC
[09:34:00] mchou: fryfrog: bullshit. How you gonna hook up to the sat/cab box?
[09:34:00] fryfrog: stupid companies
[09:34:00] fryfrog: mchou: sat / cab -> svideo port on pvr 150? (non-hd of course)
[09:35:00] fryfrog: its how the tivo would best be hooked up anyway
[09:35:00] mchou: lol, you lose on that one w/o even an A/B comparison
[09:35:00] fryfrog: unless you get one of those new cable tivos
[09:35:00] lupin_sanse1: I would setup a mega system at home, then invite the home theatre company round for a presentation – and tell them you can set that up for them
[09:35:00] fryfrog: mchou: reall?
[09:35:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: forget about it
[09:35:00] fryfrog: y
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[09:36:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: so is there any tuner card at any price that has good quality?
[09:36:00] notslad: mchou: never underestimate a good salesperson :^)
[09:36:00] mchou: videophiles and audiophiles are even more picky about quality
[09:36:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: not analog ones.
[09:36:00] mchou: digital ones are ok.
[09:36:00] lupin_sanse1: so do digital ones
[09:36:00] mchou: but DRM rap kills linux as a viable option
[09:36:00] mchou: crap*
[09:37:00] lupin_sanse1: digital cards have DRM in the US?
[09:37:00] lupin_sanse1: I mean digital broadcasts?
[09:37:00] mchou: not OTA (which is kind of like DVB)
[09:37:00] mchou: but most ppl subscribe to cable/sat
[09:38:00] notslad: well.. I'm off to sleep...
[09:38:00] fryfrog: yeah, cable / sat is really what kills it
[09:38:00] mchou: and OTA you'd only get about 10 stations or so.....
[09:38:00] notslad: thanx for all the great advice!
[09:38:00] lupin_sanse1: okay, so there's no way to get myth to work with cable/sat is there?
[09:38:00] fryfrog: to be honest, i'll ditch myth and buy an HD DirecTV box when they switch to MPEG4 on their PVR boxes
[09:38:00] notslad: I'll watch my millions fade away under the veil of unconsciousness
[09:38:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: not unless you move to an analog stage.
[09:38:00] notslad: l8r!
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[09:39:00] mchou: which would immediately kill the idea for a videophile
[09:39:00] fryfrog: My dream is a couple of HD Sat boxes that will "mesh" and combine their cpu/tuner might to record what i want :)
[09:39:00] mchou: mesh?
[09:39:00] fryfrog: ie, sat pvr has 2 tuners
[09:39:00] mchou: what's you mean by that?
[09:39:00] fryfrog: and wireless/wired
[09:39:00] fryfrog: as you connect more of them, it'd do what myth does
[09:40:00] fryfrog: figure out what each can record and share the load
[09:40:00] mchou: fryfrog: oh, ok
[09:40:00] fryfrog: and allow viewing of shows from one box to another, etc
[09:40:00] mchou: not bloody likely.
[09:40:00] fryfrog: i *swear* i read something about it, but i migth have been dreaming :0
[09:40:00] mchou: remember the pesky cableCARD DRM situation
[09:40:00] fryfrog: not cable
[09:40:00] fryfrog: but, you know tivo is making a cable card tivo?
[09:40:00] dtm: fryfrog: replaytv could swap shows, last i knew
[09:41:00] mchou: need a cableCARD at each front end to decode
[09:41:00] fryfrog: that will record HD and such
[09:41:00] mchou: replay is no longer in that business
[09:41:00] dtm: oic
[09:41:00] casey: has anyone heard if you can get the media center keyboards working with mythtv?
[09:41:00] mchou: they dont make replaytvs any more
[09:41:00] fryfrog: cable card in each box, that isn't a big deal
[09:42:00] fryfrog: the tivo boxes taht decode sat have to have a sat card
[09:42:00] fryfrog: (i assume?)
[09:42:00] mchou: fryfrog: it's a big deal when the cablecos charge you monthly for EACH ONE
[09:42:00] fryfrog: course, the sat companies don't *rent* the cards :/
[09:42:00] fryfrog: ahah, yeah
[09:42:00] fryfrog: but don't sat co's charge like $5/mo for extra recievers?
[09:42:00] mchou: I dunno what the going rate is.....
[09:42:00] fryfrog: and cable would charge $10–15 for a 2nd/3rd/etc cable *box*
[09:43:00] mchou: I just know there would be no reason for me to pay more for fewer features like DRM.
[09:44:00] fryfrog: hey, anyone know what the cable run lenght for 1000mbit and 100mbit? is it 300m or 300ft (100m)?
[09:44:00] fryfrog: mchou: even if it let you record HD "special" channels?
[09:44:00] mchou: 100m, if you are real careful
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[09:44:00] fryfrog: whats the best way to span longer distances?
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[09:44:00] fryfrog: hub/repeater every 100m or fiber?
[09:44:00] mchou: fryfrog: I dont know what you mean by special channels
[09:45:00] fryfrog: hbo, cinimax, etc
[09:45:00] fryfrog: discovery
[09:45:00] mchou: fryfrog: copper, not fiber
[09:45:00] fryfrog: the non-fta HD channels
[09:45:00] mchou: fiber length is much more
[09:46:00] fryfrog: er, i meant what would be best method to span a long-ish distance (~500m)
[09:46:00] mchou: fryfrog: I dont subscribe to HBO, show, or whatever right now
[09:46:00] fryfrog: and hopefully be 100–1000mbit and not rediculously spensive
[09:46:00] lupin_sanse1: anyway if you want to make money with computers and you can't program just offer onsite support for $50 an hour – you'll be swamped
[09:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: buy a hub or repeater
[09:47:00] mchou: or go optical
[09:47:00] fryfrog: wonder how much 500m of fiber is
[09:47:00] fryfrog: prolly like 10grand
[09:47:00] mchou: optical you might have to deal with burned out PHY
[09:47:00] fryfrog: PHY?
[09:48:00] mchou: the laser diode
[09:48:00] fryfrog: found in the switch ports?
[09:48:00] mchou: anyways, 1Gbit there is bus saturation.
[09:49:00] mchou: you wont get that to "wire speed"
[09:49:00] fryfrog: oh, yeah of course
[09:49:00] fryfrog: just prefer fastest possible :)
[09:49:00] fryfrog: looks like a 4 port w/ fiber is only like $300
[09:50:00] galorin: I got a list of the channels that are used by the local transmitters for DVB-T, but can't remember how to convert from these channel numbers to Hz for tuning myth.
[09:50:00] ** galorin kicks himself for not bookmarking things **
[09:50:00] mchou: fryfrog: why you need such long distance?
[09:51:00] fryfrog: i don't, just wondering on cost
[09:51:00] fryfrog: you know, for my commune's network
[09:51:00] mchou: fryfrog: your commune?
[09:52:00] fryfrog: my theoretical commune? with my family? for the huge myth setup? :)
[09:52:00] mchou: why would your commune need 1Gbit
[09:52:00] fryfrog: why not?
[09:52:00] fryfrog: i mean, if you are gonna use fiber... it should go as fast as you want
[09:52:00] mchou: what the hell would they need all that bandwidth for?
[09:52:00] fryfrog: why not?
[09:53:00] fryfrog: 100mbit is fine too
[09:53:00] fryfrog: but fiber isn't really speed limited, so why not just get gig at both ends?
[09:53:00] mchou: why not? even businesses dont have 1Gbit (peer to peer)
[09:53:00] fryfrog: assuming the price isn't like 10x
[09:53:00] mchou: so why would you (of all ppl) need it?
[09:54:00] fryfrog: everywhere i have worked has used gig fiber between floors/switches/router
[09:54:00] fryfrog: i'm just talking about the best way to go long-ish distance
[09:54:00] galorin: The local hippie commune uses fiber from the sattelite uplink into a central server that manages/filters the net connection, then 10Mbit (no typo) connection for the rest of the commune
[09:54:00] lupin_sanse1: our company has 100m between the computer and the routers and 1Gb between routers
[09:54:00] mchou: yeah, but everyone have 1Gbit on their comps?
[09:55:00] fryfrog: now-a-days, yar
[09:55:00] fryfrog: all my pcs have gige nics
[09:55:00] mchou: fryfrog: bullshit
[09:55:00] fryfrog: are you calling bullshit on MY pcs having gige nics?
[09:55:00] fryfrog: or bs in general?
[09:55:00] lupin_sanse1: gb nics are still pretty rare outside of servers
[09:55:00] mchou: bs in general
[09:55:00] fryfrog: dood, have you bought a mb in the last year?
[09:55:00] mchou: yup
[09:56:00] fryfrog: anything with a built in nic now-a-days has gig-e
[09:56:00] mchou: my Nforce4 asus
[09:56:00] mchou: lol
[09:56:00] lupin_sanse1: galorin: far out man, what happened to all that "get back to nature" stuff they were banging on about?
[09:56:00] fryfrog: lol?
[09:56:00] galorin: Gigabit are quite common on mobos here if the UK, Mbyte on the other hand, no chance.
[09:56:00] mchou: and your Router is 1Gbit?
[09:56:00] mchou: or switch?
[09:56:00] fryfrog: no, my router is 10mbit WAN, 100mbit lan. my 1000mbit switch IS gige
[09:57:00] lupin_sanse1: galorin: hippy commune? UK? Are you in Wales?
[09:57:00] galorin: lupin_sanse1, this hippie commune also builds homes with breezeblocks (very un-environmental) then puts on a facade of reclaimed stone.
[09:57:00] fryfrog: and i'm talking fiber gige between a couple of 100mbit or 1000mbit copper switches
[09:57:00] fryfrog: wtf is a breezeblock?
[09:57:00] lupin_sanse1: galorin: that'd be right
[09:57:00] galorin: FindhornFoundation, Morayshire, Scotland
[09:57:00] mchou: fryfrog: I think you're smoking dope
[09:58:00] lupin_sanse1: galorin: OK, I grew up in the UK, and came to Oz after 6th form
[09:58:00] fryfrog: mchou: Smoking dope about the fact that *all* of my computers have gig nics in them and that i have a gig switch?
[09:58:00] mchou: most enterprise LANS arent 1Gbit
[09:58:00] fryfrog: mchou: or that gig is needed between hippie comune places?
[09:58:00] fryfrog: mchou: i never claimed they were?
[09:58:00] mchou: fryfrog: the latter
[09:58:00] fryfrog: mchou: most copr lans are 100mbit
[09:59:00] mchou: fryfrog: that was my point
[09:59:00] fryfrog: oh, yeah sure a hippie comune :0
[09:59:00] fryfrog: If I were building my own commune for my family, i'd want fastest *affordable* between houses
[09:59:00] fryfrog: if thats 100mbit over coper, fine
[09:59:00] fryfrog: if thats 1000mbit over fiber, cool too
[09:59:00] fryfrog: i'm just saying, IF one used fiber between the hubs... why would you use 100mbit fiber when you could do 1000mbit fiber?
[10:00:00] lupin_sanse1: who'd want to be in a commune with their family? You'd have to be a glutton for punishment
[10:00:00] fryfrog: thats what everyone says :(
[10:00:00] fryfrog: i'd be happy to live with em, but the long distance is cause we'd live a LONG ways away :)
[10:00:00] lupin_sanse1: you guys must have great families – mine would be chaos in 10 minutes
[10:00:00] mchou: fryfrog: you mest be inbred :)
[10:00:00] fryfrog: ahah
[10:00:00] fryfrog: engaged to my sister :)
[10:00:00] mchou: Cletus on the simpsons
[10:01:00] fryfrog: btw, 30m of fiper appears to be $100
[10:01:00] fryfrog: ouch
[10:01:00] lupin_sanse1: okay gotta go, John Boy is calling
[10:01:00] galorin: Fiber is a PITA as far as I'm concerned.
[10:01:00] lupin_sanse1: goodnight mchou
[10:01:00] mchou: later lupin_sanse1
[10:01:00] lupin_sanse1: goodnight fryfrog and galorin
[10:01:00] fryfrog: night
[10:01:00] galorin: night
[10:01:00] fryfrog: whats the best way to span 500m?
[10:01:00] galorin: though it aint even noon here
[10:02:00] fryfrog: directed wireless would be one
[10:02:00] fryfrog: but 10–30mbit sukes
[10:02:00] casey: Whenever I try to compile mythplugins I get "main.cpp:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86–64 instruction set" Is there a way to get a amd64 to compile mythplugins?
[10:02:00] galorin: If you're up to it, cantenna or however you spell that pringles tin hack.
[10:02:00] mchou: casey: lol
[10:02:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . 935.JPG.html
[10:03:00] fryfrog: thats my sister ;)
[10:03:00] casey: :)
[10:03:00] fryfrog: casey: manual compile or?
[10:03:00] casey: - tried setting as k8 in the settings.pro
[10:03:00] casey: instead of pentiumpro
[10:03:00] fryfrog: doesn't ./configure have some options?
[10:03:00] mchou: fryfrog: gos you caucasion have the WORST tast in asian women
[10:03:00] mchou: god*
[10:03:00] casey: fryfrog: yeah, but i dont see any related to processor
[10:03:00] fryfrog: humm
[10:03:00] mchou: taste*
[10:04:00] fryfrog: ahah, i didn't get my asian fetish until *after* we started dating ;p
[10:04:00] mchou: fryfrog: anybody ever tell you you look like harry potter?
[10:04:00] fryfrog: nope, and screw you
[10:04:00] mchou: fryfrog: fact still remains white dudes got bade taste.
[10:05:00] mchou: bad*
[10:05:00] mchou: fryfrog: lol, she happens to be wearing combat boots even :)
[10:05:00] fryfrog: combat boots?
[10:06:00] casey: heh
[10:06:00] fryfrog: they stop at her ancles, dumbass
[10:06:00] fryfrog: i'd hate to be in combat with those
[10:06:00] casey: google sees only one thing about "main.cpp:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86–64 instruction set" and thats when someone came in this channel and asked :)
[10:06:00] mchou: casey knows what I'm talking about :)
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[10:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: "combat boots" is American slang
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[10:07:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: tell our friend fryfrog here what American ppl mean when they say your momma wears combat boots" :)
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am kinda busy atm
[10:08:00] SlicerDicer-: I just had a complete power failure and cant get my mythbox to boot
[10:11:00] fryfrog: i'm having trouble even tracking it down on google
[10:11:00] fryfrog: "Never heard the phrase, so this is conjecture. How about 'your mother is non-feminine', 'aggressively masculine' something like that?"?
[10:11:00] mchou: fryfrog: http://p098.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm2.s . . . ID=288.topic
[10:12:00] fryfrog: "I concluded that if she had been a camp follower of the lowest sort, willing to trade her favors for anything of value, she might indeed at some time wind up wearing combat boots."
[10:12:00] mchou: this would give you some sense of it
[10:13:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou: sorry I would have answered but I got a flakey harddrive haha
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: and it goes crazy sometimes
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: but it works most of the time
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: it will do a crazy spinup spindown thing
[10:14:00] SlicerDicer-: after enough screwing with it the thing will boot haha
[10:15:00] casey: ok got past that one
[10:15:00] casey: had to edit the settings.pro
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: Total Space: 252,188 MB
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: whew
[10:15:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[10:15:00] fryfrog: so manly it is?
[10:15:00] casey: main.cpp:15:26: error: kapplication.h: No such file or directory
[10:15:00] casey: guess im missing a dependancy
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[10:22:00] degreseven: i have a very vague question, lol.... i just shuffled some hdds around & ended up switching the main system disk by just booting a live cd & copying / from the old drive to the new
[10:22:00] degreseven: so far everything works perfectly, except that i cant get tv working again
[10:22:00] mchou: degreseven: and?
[10:22:00] degreseven: i just get a blank screen
[10:23:00] degreseven: i seem to remember having to make some symlinks in /dev before, but i can't figure out what they might have been
[10:23:00] mchou: degreseven: most likely your uid/gids got all screwed
[10:23:00] degreseven: no, they were preserved just fine
[10:23:00] casey: main.cpp:15:26: error: kapplication.h: No such file or directory <-- anyone know what package i need to apt-get that will include that?
[10:23:00] degreseven: i've checked
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[10:24:00] mchou: degreseven: what command did you use for copying to the new disk?
[10:24:00] degreseven: hm, cp -rvpPg I think
[10:25:00] mchou: degreseven: gah
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[10:28:00] mchou: degreseven: anyways, mythfrontend/backend should complain and give you a clue
[10:28:00] casey: main.cpp:15:26: error: kapplication.h: No such file or directory <-- anyone know what package i need to apt-get that will include that?
[10:28:00] mchou: degreseven: on what's wrong
[10:28:00] casey: im assuming its something in kde
[10:29:00] mchou: fryfrog: you happen to have a portable mp3 player?
[10:29:00] casey: kdebase-dev
[10:31:00] degreseven: thanks
[10:33:00] simonbp: Anyone mind if I ask about xbmcmythtv? Or more importantly, can anyone help me with it?
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[10:37:00] fryfrog: mchou: an ipod, but i don't use it
[10:37:00] fryfrog: prefer jinzora :)
[10:37:00] mchou: fryfrog: which ipod?
[10:38:00] fryfrog: 30G video?
[10:38:00] fryfrog: got it like
[10:38:00] fryfrog: bah
[10:38:00] mchou: jinzora?? what is that?
[10:38:00] fryfrog: 30G color
[10:38:00] fryfrog: got it like 2 months before video came out :(
[10:38:00] fryfrog: jinzora is a web based mp3 streamer
[10:39:00] mchou: fryfrog: so you rarely listen to music on the go, I take it?
[10:39:00] fryfrog: mainly "on the go" is in the car
[10:39:00] fryfrog: and i just listen to a local radio station
[10:39:00] mchou: fryfrog: ok, fair enough. How about at the gym/erercising?
[10:39:00] mchou: exercising*
[10:40:00] fryfrog: i should work out more, but i just do it avec entertainment :)
[10:40:00] fryfrog: i'd prolly get an ipod nano
[10:40:00] fryfrog: or shuffle
[10:40:00] fryfrog: why?
[10:40:00] mchou: fryfrog: just wondering....I'm in the market, need some recommendations
[10:41:00] fryfrog: I've never seen a portable that was better than apples
[10:41:00] fryfrog: not that i've SEEN a whole lot
[10:41:00] mchou: fryfrog: nah, I would not get the shuffle
[10:41:00] fryfrog: depends on purpose
[10:41:00] mchou: no radio.
[10:41:00] fryfrog: ah yeah, that was my huge wrestle with the ipod
[10:42:00] fryfrog: and why we put off for like 2–3 years
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[10:42:00] mchou: I bought a cheap Creative Muvo TX FM, just to test
[10:42:00] mchou: most ppl say it's way better than shuffle
[10:43:00] mchou: and user replaceable batteries ("AAA")
[10:43:00] fryfrog: I *did* read that apple just came out with a remote / fm tuner for the ipod
[10:43:00] fryfrog: that works with any of the phones + little jack
[10:43:00] mchou: fryfrog: yeah, $40, what a rip
[10:43:00] fryfrog: so it should work with ipod/nano and mini
[10:43:00] fryfrog: i concur
[10:44:00] fryfrog: but it doesn't help that the ipod ui is so damn awsome
[10:44:00] mchou: my whole creative mp3 player only cost that much
[10:44:00] fryfrog: how big?
[10:44:00] fryfrog: for working out, i'd think 1G or less would be fine
[10:44:00] mchou: big ligher size
[10:44:00] mchou: bic lighter*
[10:44:00] fryfrog: oh, good physical size too
[10:45:00] fryfrog: i think ipod full is big for working out, but ... people used to work out with cd players and tape players, so i guess a real ipod isn't terrible
[10:45:00] mchou: nah, I dont think an ipod would be too big for working out.
[10:45:00] mchou: at least the shuffle isnt
[10:46:00] fryfrog: shuffle/nano would be awsome
[10:46:00] fryfrog: normal ipod, less so but not *bad*
[10:46:00] fryfrog: just a little more akward than something lighter sized
[10:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: another reason I didnt like ipods were battery issues.
[10:47:00] fryfrog: yeah, its a strike against it
[10:47:00] fryfrog: how do you like the muvo?
[10:47:00] mchou: I have strong aversion to non-standard batteries in my electronic devices
[10:48:00] mchou: I'm pretty please with it so far. (1 wk)
[10:48:00] mchou: we will see if it lasts
[10:48:00] fryfrog: my *main* concerns were a good display and an intelligent UI
[10:48:00] fryfrog: i also needed more than ~5G
[10:48:00] mchou: shuffle doesnt have a display :)
[10:48:00] fryfrog: at some point, i'd like to use it as a part of car stereo
[10:48:00] fryfrog: it sure don't :)
[10:49:00] fryfrog: but 512mb or 1G w/ no display isn't *terrible*
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[10:49:00] fryfrog: and 300 songs on random is fine with me
[10:49:00] mchou: fryfrog: muvo's display is nothing to write home about.....
[10:49:00] fryfrog: for SOME cases
[10:49:00] mchou: ui is not bad
[10:49:00] fryfrog: if i were *just* going to use it for working out, anything with play/pause and next/prev button would work for me
[10:49:00] fryfrog: no display needed, nothing fancy
[10:50:00] fryfrog: maybe a random/not-random switch
[10:50:00] fryfrog: and i'd only want 1G or less
[10:50:00] fryfrog: also, one *VERY* nice benefit with ipod which really flipped me
[10:50:00] mchou: yeah, for working out dont need much
[10:50:00] fryfrog: it has a $30 addon that lets you hook up digicam to it
[10:50:00] fryfrog: and use it as photo storage
[10:50:00] mchou: lol, what a rip
[10:50:00] fryfrog: also has a voice recorder, but so do a lot of others
[10:51:00] fryfrog: rip?
[10:51:00] mchou: muvo is a usb stick
[10:51:00] fryfrog: if you have an ipod, $30 is a LOT cheaper than a laptop
[10:51:00] mchou: all you need is proper cable :)
[10:51:00] mchou: usb :)
[10:51:00] mchou: probably $6
[10:51:00] fryfrog: wait, we are talking 2 different things
[10:52:00] fryfrog: the ipod $30 thing is for adapting your digital camera to the ipod so it can be a photo umm... storage?
[10:52:00] fryfrog: like when you go on vacation or something and your pc isn't near by?
[10:52:00] mchou: muvo is usb memory stick.
[10:52:00] fryfrog: ipod comes with a regular old ipod -> usb adapter
[10:52:00] fryfrog: so what does that have to do with being a photo storage device?
[10:53:00] mchou: fryfrog: I dont get what the difference is
[10:53:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[10:53:00] fryfrog: plug camera into ipod
[10:53:00] fryfrog: ipod gets camera pictures
[10:53:00] mchou: you can use and USB storage device as photo storage
[10:53:00] mchou: any*
[10:53:00] fryfrog: right, of course
[10:53:00] fryfrog: BUT you can't hook your usb memory stick RIGHT TO your camera
[10:54:00] mchou: sur, if camera has usb port
[10:54:00] mchou: sure*
[10:54:00] fryfrog: and usb stick copies pictures from camera automatically?
[10:54:00] mchou: no, need camera with UI to move to storage
[10:55:00] fryfrog: oh
[10:55:00] fryfrog: ipod device is supposed to work with any camera
[10:55:00] mchou: bah.
[10:55:00] fryfrog: it lets the ipod become a usb HOST instead of a usb device
[10:55:00] mchou: yeah.
[10:55:00] mchou: but my camera has proper ui
[10:55:00] mchou: one of my requirements
[10:55:00] fryfrog: your camera can copy from itself *to* a usb memory device?
[10:55:00] mchou: yup.
[10:55:00] fryfrog: neat
[10:56:00] fryfrog: what cam?
[10:56:00] mchou: canon
[10:56:00] fryfrog: i hope its one of the low end dslrs
[10:56:00] fryfrog: 350D?
[10:56:00] mchou: dslrs?
[10:56:00] fryfrog: Digital Single Lens Reflex
[10:56:00] mchou: ahh....
[10:56:00] fryfrog: ie, the next toy i'd like to buy
[10:56:00] mchou: nah, nothing that fancy
[10:57:00] fryfrog: does the camera have a big usb port on it, like the pc?
[10:57:00] mchou: nope
[10:57:00] fryfrog: or do you need a sorta-special cable (little usb to female big usb)?
[10:57:00] mchou: has one of those super mini usb ports
[10:57:00] mchou: need special cable
[10:57:00] fryfrog: ah
[10:57:00] fryfrog: did it come with it?
[10:58:00] mchou: yeah.
[10:58:00] fryfrog: thats cool
[10:58:00] fryfrog: what model?
[10:58:00] mchou: hold on, need to look it up
[10:58:00] fryfrog: and that'd make the $30 ipod addon useless :)
[10:58:00] fryfrog: our Olypus 5050Z doesn't have that feature though :(
[10:58:00] fryfrog: so it was a decent plus
[10:58:00] fryfrog: still haven't USED it yet though :)
[10:59:00] mchou: how old is that camera?
[10:59:00] fryfrog: not even tested it
[10:59:00] fryfrog: its 5MP
[10:59:00] fryfrog: so uh... 2–3 yrs?
[10:59:00] fryfrog: we have an underwater housing for it
[10:59:00] mchou: wow
[10:59:00] fryfrog: so we'll pretty much always have it
[10:59:00] fryfrog: the camera i mean
[10:59:00] mchou: you have all the accessories
[11:00:00] lupin_sanse1: this is cool. A way to get mythtv recordings onto a video ipod http://www.thehunter.ws/node/238
[11:00:00] fryfrog: its for diving :)
[11:00:00] fryfrog: i hate you :(
[11:00:00] fryfrog: now i have to get a video ipod
[11:00:00] mchou: haha!!
[11:01:00] mchou: fryfrog: http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?a . . . amp;pageno=4
[11:03:00] fryfrog: lupin_sanse1: thats freakin awsome
[11:03:00] fryfrog: as a mythjob, it'd create the little ipod video shows in addition right?
[11:03:00] mchou: fryfrog: I wouldnt want to transfer to many photos cause the camera is usb 1.1
[11:03:00] fryfrog: not replace your shows with crappy low res?
[11:04:00] fryfrog: yeah, mine is too
[11:04:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah it's kind of presenting mythtv programs as video podcasts
[11:04:00] fryfrog: but its only got a 512mb xd and a 512mb cf in mine
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[11:04:00] fryfrog: A95, nice
[11:05:00] mchou: yeah, well worth $225 that I paid :)
[11:05:00] fryfrog: I think mine cost like $500 3 years ago
[11:05:00] fryfrog: and the UW housing was like $300
[11:05:00] mchou: ouch
[11:06:00] fryfrog: worth it though :0
[11:06:00] fryfrog: we use the UW housing a fair amount, saved the camera a few times too
[11:06:00] mchou: you must have gotten it when it just came out
[11:06:00] mchou: the camera, that is
[11:06:00] fryfrog: very close, i might be wrong on price
[11:06:00] lupin_sanse1: is it just Australia or do other countries networks say the program starts at 8:30pm but really it's 8:55?
[11:06:00] fryfrog: think it had been out for 6mo – 1yr?
[11:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: hmm, ok
[11:07:00] fryfrog: I suck with dates
[11:07:00] fryfrog: lemme look at the pics i took, it'll tell me
[11:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: I gathered :)
[11:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: hope you got that double entendre :)
[11:07:00] lupin_sanse1: fryfrog: then can I suggest this book? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764550721/0 . . . amp;n=283155
[11:08:00] fryfrog: ohhhhh, that was bad!
[11:08:00] mchou: fryfrog: haha!!
[11:08:00] mchou: fryfrog: you stepped in it though :)
[11:08:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/v/MaryAnn-Donnie . . . abo.jpg.html
[11:08:00] fryfrog: June 2002
[11:09:00] fryfrog: and we got the cam about 2–3 weeks before vacation
[11:09:00] fryfrog: so shit, was that 4 years ago???
[11:09:00] mchou: ok. must been pretty close to when camera was released
[11:09:00] fryfrog: yeah, damn
[11:09:00] mchou: fryfrog: wtf is that. a lobster?
[11:09:00] fryfrog: its a nice camera too, canon hasn't made a CX0X0 that is as good as it
[11:09:00] fryfrog: yup :)
[11:10:00] fryfrog: dunno what kind
[11:10:00] mchou: fryfrog: did you crop?
[11:10:00] fryfrog: the 6060, 7070 and 8080 are crap in comparison
[11:10:00] fryfrog: no, those are all un-resized
[11:10:00] lupin_sanse1: I also suggest this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0595094724/q . . . amp;n=283155
[11:10:00] fryfrog: the square thumbs are cropped of course
[11:10:00] fryfrog: sorry, i meant "unedited" except the ones that say they are edited
[11:10:00] fryfrog: which is only like 3 or 4
[11:11:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: wtf???
[11:11:00] lupin_sanse1: ;)
[11:11:00] fryfrog: BWHAHAHHA
[11:11:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: leave it to a japanese to come up with that shit
[11:11:00] fryfrog: thats how i cured my depression!
[11:12:00] lupin_sanse1: funny
[11:12:00] mchou: the japanese have an unhealthy fixation with the "nether regions"
[11:12:00] fryfrog: the awsome part of the C5050 is that it'll take 3 types of cards
[11:12:00] fryfrog: and 2 at once
[11:12:00] fryfrog: of different type
[11:13:00] laga: omfg...
[11:13:00] mchou: fryfrog: hmm, nice
[11:13:00] fryfrog: humm
[11:13:00] fryfrog: if it came out dec 2002, how could those pics be from june 2002 :/
[11:13:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: those are also known as kegel's exercises
[11:14:00] lupin_sanse1: I lived in Japan for few years. people are always like "Yeah had a good weekend. Oh this is really funny. I have really bad diahriea! Yeah it's really bad. Funny eh?"
[11:14:00] fryfrog: ah, its 2003 :)
[11:14:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: to strengthen the pelvice floor
[11:14:00] mchou: pelvic*
[11:14:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: there was a reference to Kegel exercises in Futurama. This check in a gym was liftting weights with her butt
[11:14:00] ** laga notes that eating and #mythtv-users doesn't always mix well **
[11:14:00] fryfrog: I'd love to have one of those GPS cameras :/
[11:15:00] fryfrog: lupin_sanse1: ahha, i JUST watched that ep the other day!
[11:15:00] fryfrog: she was using a kegalsizer machine, right?
[11:15:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah!
[11:15:00] fryfrog: haha
[11:15:00] lupin_sanse1: fryfrog: are you in Australia?
[11:16:00] fryfrog: fark no!
[11:16:00] fryfrog: want me to come over?
[11:16:00] fryfrog: i just need a job :)
[11:16:00] lupin_sanse1: it was on tele here the other day
[11:16:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah come on over
[11:16:00] fryfrog: ah, it was on adult swim
[11:16:00] fryfrog: how *does* one go about getting a job in another country?
[11:16:00] lupin_sanse1: (last stupid book: http://tinyurl.com/cb2c2)
[11:16:00] fryfrog: i'd not mind living near the great barrier reef if i could
[11:16:00] lupin_sanse1: you can migrate, or go on a working holiday, or get sponsored
[11:17:00] fryfrog: bwhaha
[11:17:00] mchou: fryfrog: check this out: http://www.garmin.com/products/edge305/
[11:17:00] lupin_sanse1: great barrier reef is out in the wilderness unfortunately, so there's not much work there apart from tourist related stuff
[11:17:00] fryfrog: i wonder how hard it is to find a foreign job whlie you are in teh US
[11:17:00] fryfrog: lupin_sanse1: oh, that sucks :/
[11:17:00] lupin_sanse1: What do you do?
[11:17:00] fryfrog: where are IT jobs in AU?
[11:17:00] mchou: fryfrog: it's not hard at all
[11:17:00] fryfrog: sys admin, in theory
[11:18:00] lupin_sanse1: www.seek.com.au has loads of IT jobs
[11:18:00] sean33: anyone know how to flip the software switch on the ALC655 so i can have 5.1 out of the lineout and mic inputs
[11:18:00] fryfrog: sean33: usually its a slider in alsamixer
[11:18:00] fryfrog: like, you hit space on it and it goes from mic -> front out
[11:18:00] fryfrog: or center / sub
[11:19:00] lupin_sanse1: fryfrog: Oz is basically Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane, and Adelaide – all the IT jobs are there in descending orderPerth
[11:19:00] fryfrog: are they very up on importing workers?
[11:19:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: there are no other cities in OZ :)
[11:19:00] fryfrog: i think a lot of countries make it kinda hard
[11:19:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah but it depends on the dkill
[11:19:00] lupin_sanse1: "skill"
[11:20:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: there are a couple more, but they are small
[11:20:00] sean33: u brought up the alsamixer but still dosent seem to be working
[11:20:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: what's the best city for access to barrier reef? :)
[11:20:00] lupin_sanse1: Something like 95% of people live in those capital cities
[11:21:00] lupin_sanse1: Brisbane – but that is hours away from there. Like 10 hours I think
[11:21:00] lupin_sanse1: I live about 4000 miles away from the Great Barrier Reef so I've never been
[11:21:00] mchou: not if you have a seaplane :)
[11:22:00] lupin_sanse1: Brisbane to Cairns (GBR) is 1697km
[11:22:00] lupin_sanse1: Australia is probably like Canada, a handful of cities and great wilderness areas (but no French!)
[11:23:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: just felons :)
[11:23:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah the slow ones that got caught. Britain kept all the fast ones by natural selection
[11:24:00] fryfrog: bwhahah
[11:24:00] fryfrog: so au has all the dumb, slow ones...
[11:24:00] fryfrog: and uk has all the smart, highly skilled ones
[11:24:00] fryfrog: i'm not sure who is worse off :)
[11:24:00] lupin_sanse1: I would replace "smart" with "cunning"!
[11:25:00] fryfrog: cunning linguist?
[11:25:00] lupin_sanse1: Crime in Oz is really low compared to the UK. I grew up the UK and it's crazy
[11:25:00] lupin_sanse1: .. excepting the "Body in the Barrels" case in Australia
[11:26:00] fryfrog: me and gf are looking for a new place to live
[11:26:00] fryfrog: it'd really float her boat to live over seas i think :)
[11:26:00] lupin_sanse1: actually 80% of Australians are British migrants in the past 30 years or so
[11:26:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: I met some aussie chips on a trip thru canada
[11:26:00] mchou: chicks*
[11:27:00] lupin_sanse1: okay, how was it?
[11:27:00] fryfrog: throw a shrimp on the barbie?
[11:27:00] mchou: I like aussie chicks. they can fend for themselves
[11:27:00] fryfrog: thats all the australian i know :/
[11:27:00] fryfrog: wait wait, gday mate?
[11:27:00] fryfrog: thats aussie too right?
[11:27:00] lupin_sanse1: BBQ are big in Oz, but we actually call them prawns rather than shrimps
[11:27:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah g'day is Oz
[11:27:00] ** lupin_sanse1 thinks of the opening scene in dumb and dumber **
[11:27:00] fryfrog: throw a prawn on the barbie?
[11:28:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: haha, luv it when the govt tried to ban the word "mate"
[11:28:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah so stupid
[11:28:00] fryfrog: what?
[11:28:00] fryfrog: they did?
[11:28:00] fryfrog: oh yeah, drawback to AU...
[11:28:00] lupin_sanse1: I heard they tried
[11:28:00] fryfrog: technically, VCRs are illegal
[11:28:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: are vcrs illelgal in oz?
[11:29:00] fryfrog: though i read they are passing laws to make tivo/vcrs legal
[11:29:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah that's funny. The copyright whatever made a statement though that they never intend to prosecute anyone for home taping
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[11:29:00] lupin_sanse1: PVRs and VCRs have always been on sale. We just don't have a fair use law – but in practice there is one
[11:30:00] lupin_sanse1: Now in Australia modding an XBox or playstation is legal, and the courts have backed it up too
[11:30:00] lupin_sanse1: Sony tried to sue modders and the courts sided with the modders
[11:30:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: no fair use law? what does that mean? no quotations of any kind?
[11:30:00] fryfrog: not bad
[11:30:00] fryfrog: mchou: copyright fair use
[11:31:00] fryfrog: as in, its legal to copy *your* cd to mp3 so you can put it on your ipod
[11:31:00] mchou: fryfrog: that's what I mean.
[11:31:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: there just isn't one protected by law, but in practice it's never enforced
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[11:31:00] lupin_sanse1: What it means is you have no legal right in Oz to make mp3s, but the copyright department of whatever they are called have gone on record and said unless you sell them they will not prosecute
[11:32:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: so how do ppl get prosecuted for copyright infringent in au?
[11:32:00] mchou: infringement
[11:32:00] lupin_sanse1: only if they make a profit from it – like selling pirate DVDs
[11:32:00] sean33: maybe i need to load some more audio modules ???
[11:33:00] fryfrog: if you have the right drivers, they should be there in alsa mixer
[11:33:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: then that means aussies have "better" laws (for consumers) when it comes to fair use
[11:33:00] lupin_sanse1: but there's no DCMA in Australia (yet) so DVD ripping is legal, as is backing up Playstation games by circumventing DRM
[11:33:00] fryfrog: mchou: not really
[11:33:00] fryfrog: mchou: but sorta
[11:33:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: no law means it's legal by definition
[11:34:00] fryfrog: mchou: they HAVE the laws
[11:34:00] mchou: or I should say "regulation"
[11:34:00] fryfrog: mchou: thats the problem, they HAVE copyright laws with NO fair use
[11:34:00] mchou: fryfrog: I find that really hard to believe
[11:34:00] fryfrog: its true
[11:34:00] sean33: DVD ripping is not legal in Australia gawd where do you get the idea that it is ?
[11:34:00] mchou: that means nobody can quote from books
[11:34:00] fryfrog: their copyright laws do not include very many if any fair use restrictions
[11:35:00] lupin_sanse1: We have no legally defined right to fair use for recordings where as Americans do. In theory America has more freedom in that area (accepting DCMA), but in practice Australia has the same freedoms – in that nobody is trying to prosecute you from doing it
[11:35:00] lupin_sanse1: sean33: Well how is it illegal to rip a DVD for your own use in Oz?
[11:35:00] fryfrog: its legal to rip a dvd in the US too sean33
[11:35:00] lupin_sanse1: Circumventing DRM isn't illegal in Australia
[11:35:00] fryfrog: what is ILLEGAL is circumventing the encrytpion
[11:36:00] fryfrog: and in AU there is nothing preventing circumvention
[11:36:00] lupin_sanse1: Australia may get a DCMA soon though as we are negotiating a free trade agreement with the US, and part of the deal is harmonising IP laws (worse luck!)
[11:37:00] mchou: harmonizing IP laws is a bunch of crock
[11:37:00] fryfrog: man
[11:37:00] fryfrog: i just realized there are THREE things about the US i hate
[11:37:00] mchou: developing countries by definition dont have IP
[11:37:00] fryfrog: politics, religion and now IP law
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[11:37:00] fryfrog: oh yeah, 4
[11:38:00] fryfrog: the legal system isn't so hot either
[11:38:00] fryfrog: but thats mostly politics fault
[11:38:00] lupin_sanse1: IP law can be good. Depends on which one and who's enforcing it. It's good for the backyard inventor who patents his invention and becomes rich (Like James Watt's steam engine)
[11:38:00] lupin_sanse1: But it can be bad like the DCMA
[11:38:00] fryfrog: or bad like the US's patent system
[11:38:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: IP law in US now is a joke
[11:39:00] mchou: or I should say perversion
[11:39:00] fryfrog: i find it stupid that some dipshit can just go patent some idea and never make anything
[11:39:00] fryfrog: and just *wait* for someone else to have the idea, make something out of it THEN get their ass sued
[11:39:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah like the Apple triple click patent!
[11:39:00] fryfrog: or all the patents that are issued and there is plenty of prior art :/
[11:39:00] lupin_sanse1: I like the IEEE's idea of 4 year patents, with less paperwork
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[11:39:00] fryfrog: i read that recently
[11:39:00] fryfrog: neat idea
[11:40:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: when you read the US Constitution carefully, IP was intended to promote progress, benefit society.
[11:40:00] lupin_sanse1: I like Lessig's ideas too. 20 year copyright then you pay $100 per year to renew it
[11:40:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: yeah exactly. I am for it in theory, as it enables a market of ideas
[11:40:00] mchou: not as a means of "control"
[11:41:00] fryfrog: and of course, every time micky mouse is about to go public access, they extend copyright
[11:41:00] fryfrog: laws
[11:41:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah that sucks
[11:41:00] mchou: which IP laws has ufortunately become
[11:41:00] fryfrog: er, public domain i mean
[11:41:00] lupin_sanse1: Lessig is always fighting that
[11:41:00] fryfrog: We need our own island :0
[11:41:00] lupin_sanse1: Oz is an Island!
[11:42:00] mchou: maybe they can put all ip infringers to oz :)
[11:42:00] fryfrog: we need to convert oz to a good law system!
[11:42:00] mchou: and then oz would have fair use :)
[11:42:00] lupin_sanse1: Do you know there's an independent country in Australia? It's called the "Hut River Province"
[11:42:00] fryfrog: i wonder what it'd take legally to like, totally change the US's system
[11:43:00] mchou: fryfrog: it would take a civil war
[11:43:00] fryfrog: lupin_sanse1: haha, how'd that happen?
[11:43:00] mchou: no joke
[11:43:00] lupin_sanse1: Australia doesn't recognise it, but this joker who owned a farm in the outback seceded from Australia to avoid some farming quotas in the 70s.
[11:43:00] mchou: haha
[11:43:00] lupin_sanse1: There was no law about seceeding then so he claims it's his own country
[11:44:00] mchou: farming in oz is incredibly wateful
[11:44:00] fryfrog: hahaha
[11:44:00] mchou: wateful*
[11:44:00] mchou: wasteful*
[11:44:00] mchou: get less yield than input
[11:44:00] lupin_sanse1: you mean with water?
[11:45:00] mchou: and energy
[11:45:00] lupin_sanse1: (this is the Hutt River's website http://www.huttriver.net/)
[11:45:00] mchou: fertilizers, etc.
[11:45:00] lupin_sanse1: but I want to eat beef not fertilizer!
[11:45:00] mchou: pesticides, etc
[11:46:00] mchou: Prince Leonard??
[11:46:00] lupin_sanse1: I know what you mean. Cows for example require a lot of protein to grow. More than you get back.
[11:46:00] lupin_sanse1: Yeah he's so cool!
[11:46:00] mchou: he is the farmer?
[11:46:00] lupin_sanse1: .. but the protein cows will eat .. well they can keep it. I want my beef
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[11:46:00] lupin_sanse1: Yes he was
[11:47:00] fryfrog: http://pigseye.kennesaw.edu/~aparfeno/resume.html
[11:47:00] fryfrog: wtf...
[11:47:00] fryfrog: that dude is in my referer log
[11:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: huh??
[11:47:00] fryfrog: holey shitsticks, he lives right next to me i think!
[11:47:00] lupin_sanse1: Australia's only farming advantage is the land is so cheap compared to Asia or Europe. Other than that it's incredibly dry heer
[11:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: referrer log?
[11:48:00] fryfrog: er, access_log *as* a referer
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[11:48:00] wole: 'ning
[11:49:00] wole: according the kernel source i need to do something with these .fw files. Is that after i have compiled everything, or before?
[11:50:00] wole: (trying to get an old nova-t pci working)
[11:51:00] mchou: fryfrog: where you live?
[11:51:00] lupin_sanse1: Prince Leonard rocks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutt_River_Province
[11:52:00] fryfrog: Atlanta, GA
[11:52:00] fryfrog: actually, Mableton, GA
[11:53:00] fryfrog: that dude is prolly like less tahn 1 mi from me
[11:53:00] mchou: fryfrog: does he know you or you him?
[11:53:00] lupin_sanse1: hey fryfrog you want to work overseas right? Might I suggest Japan?
[11:54:00] fryfrog: mchou: I don't recognize the name at all
[11:54:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: why japan?
[11:54:00] fryfrog: yar, why jpn?
[11:54:00] fryfrog: I think everyone in japan has more skillz than me :)
[11:54:00] lupin_sanse1: I worked there for a few years, and you can easily get a job either in IT or teaching English
[11:55:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: lol.
[11:55:00] lupin_sanse1: .. and it's an interesting place
[11:55:00] fryfrog: IT or english :0
[11:55:00] fryfrog: the problem with Japan is the cost of living
[11:55:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah but the wages offset it nicely
[11:55:00] fryfrog: though i know their english teaching program isn't bad
[11:55:00] fryfrog: but i have no actual degree
[11:55:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: doent japan have an unemployment problem now?
[11:56:00] fryfrog: wonder how the diving is
[11:56:00] lupin_sanse1: oh okay, how many years in IT?
[11:56:00] lupin_sanse1: mchou: only for labourers
[11:56:00] fryfrog: ~5 years as kind of a jr. sys admin
[11:56:00] fryfrog: for the last 2 years, i've been stuck in sheit jobs
[11:56:00] lupin_sanse1: fryfrog: not so great for diving! But guam and hawaii aren't far away
[11:56:00] lupin_sanse1: oh yeah you need 10 years to get a visa in Japan if no degree
[11:57:00] fryfrog: I need to finish school
[11:57:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: are there still oyster girls in japan? :)
[11:57:00] fryfrog: applied for a sys admin job at a college :0
[11:57:00] fryfrog: only about 1–2 years of classes from compsci
[11:57:00] fryfrog: what is an oyster girl?
[11:57:00] lupin_sanse1: Yes there are! Do you know there are Oyster girls in Australia too. They emigrated from Japan to Australia about 100 years ago
[11:57:00] mchou: fryfrog: girls who dive for oysters
[11:57:00] fryfrog: oh
[11:57:00] fryfrog: i thought it was kinky
[11:57:00] lupin_sanse1: they dive for pearls in Australia instead
[11:58:00] fryfrog: whats the "specialness" of them?
[11:58:00] lupin_sanse1: they hold their breath for minutes!
[11:58:00] fryfrog: good at holding their breath?
[11:58:00] lupin_sanse1: yeah
[11:58:00] fryfrog: krikey!
[11:58:00] fryfrog: good at deepthroating? :)
[11:58:00] mchou: fryfrog: now now
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[11:58:00] lupin_sanse1: I loved doing IT in Japan
[11:58:00] fryfrog: why'd you leave?
[11:58:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: lol
[11:59:00] lupin_sanse1: came back to Oz to start a familt
[11:59:00] lupin_sanse1: "family"
[11:59:00] fryfrog: ah
[11:59:00] lupin_sanse1: my wife in Australian too
[11:59:00] fryfrog: didn't just pick up one of them asians?
[11:59:00] lupin_sanse1: "is"
[11:59:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: deep throating or iformation tech?
[11:59:00] lupin_sanse1: guess
[11:59:00] fryfrog: DEEP THROATING!
[11:59:00] fryfrog: did i get it right?
[12:00:00] lupin_sanse1: Hey here's a place to you might be able to work in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_ . . . _Sea_Islands
[12:00:00] lupin_sanse1: just kidding!
[12:00:00] fryfrog: ahahah
[12:00:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: see "Memoires of a Geisha?"
[12:00:00] fryfrog: i emailed the dude
[12:00:00] lupin_sanse1: not yet. Heard it was good
[12:01:00] lupin_sanse1: is it good?
[12:01:00] mchou: fryfrog: about?
[12:01:00] fryfrog: just to say hi
[12:01:00] mchou: lupin_sanse1: I havent seen it yet
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[12:01:00] fryfrog: and see why the hell someone jumped from his resume to my sit
[12:01:00] fryfrog: ethere isn't anything in it that refers to mine
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[12:01:00] fryfrog: its good
[12:01:00] fryfrog: i saw it
[12:01:00] sean33: does xine have a 5.1 mode that it needs a switch for ?
[12:01:00] lupin_sanse1: I liked "Lost in Translation"
[12:01:00] fryfrog: its *slow*, but still good
[12:01:00] lupin_sanse1: okay better go... see you guys
[12:01:00] fryfrog: bye
[12:02:00] mchou: fryfrog: no zhang ziyi, she is a good looking asian chick
[12:02:00] mchou: now*
[12:02:00] mchou: michelle yeoh aint bad either
[12:02:00] mchou: nor is what's her name....
[12:03:00] mchou: fryfrog: hopefully your taste in asian women improve :)
[12:03:00] fryfrog: bah
[12:03:00] fryfrog: we've been dating for 8 years and are engaged
[12:04:00] sean33: put xine in 5.1 ?
[12:04:00] mchou: fryfrog: ok, my apologies :)
[12:04:00] fryfrog: i still don't get how you can see manlyness
[12:04:00] mchou: fryfrog: I was joking about the combat boots. Dont be so sensitive
[12:04:00] mchou: but I'm bnot joking about poor taste
[12:04:00] fryfrog: generally i'm not!
[12:04:00] fryfrog: but i had to do research for that one :(
[12:05:00] fryfrog: so i had to take it more seriously ;p
[12:05:00] mchou: haha!!
[12:06:00] mchou: fryfrog: you dont look old enough to have dated for 8 yrs
[12:07:00] fryfrog: dood, i'm almost 28
[12:07:00] mchou: lol
[12:07:00] mchou: fryfrog: ok, Harry :)
[12:07:00] fryfrog: everyone thinks i'm like 10 years younger :)
[12:08:00] mchou: fryfrog: all you need are the glasses :)
[12:08:00] fryfrog: ahha
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[12:13:00] fryfrog: when i was 16 and everyone thought i was 12, it sucked
[12:14:00] fryfrog: now that i'm almost 30 and everyone thinks i'm 20 something, its not so bad
[12:18:00] sean33: yea thanks for all the helpful advice ( not ! )
[12:19:00] ** laga slaps sean33 **
[12:19:00] laga: sean33: google 'how to ask questions the smart way'
[12:19:00] laga: read that
[12:20:00] laga: and come back
[12:20:00] sean33: yea well thats what ive been doing so whats the point of having this channel then ?
[12:21:00] laga: sean33: read the topic, that should it explain it
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[12:30:00] Tuplink: what is ivtv?
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[12:40:00] meushi: Tuplink: pvr-*50 driver
[12:41:00] meushi: ok, I'm baffled... liveTV works and recording fails if I use full PAL resolution
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[13:16:00] wole: Tuplink – http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3Aivtv
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[13:24:00] danieldk_: Hi!
[13:25:00] danieldk_: anybody seen this error: RingBuf(//1030_20060204142507.mpg): Invalid file (fd 25) when opening '//1030_20060204142507.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.
[13:28:00] danieldk_: no?
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[13:44:00] possie: hi
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[14:06:00] Freman: hey, I've got a digital tuner and an analog tuner, the digital tuner shares some of the same programming data as the analog, what's the easiest way to schedule so that most shows go to the digital tuner unless there's a higher priority (or it's not availible on the digital one)?
[14:07:00] Freman: spoze the first question I should ask... I'm going to need to create 2 seperate video sources for the tuners arn't I?...
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[15:28:00] glen__: does mythbackend accept a signal which could be used for it to reopen logfile?
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[15:29:00] laga: glen__: -HUP? at least in SVN, that is
[15:29:00] glen__: thanks a lot
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[15:32:00] jwwwer: Hi I have F backend and Mandriva fronten incomptible server protocol 15 client 14 Can Mandriva get 15 from rpms???
[15:32:00] jwwwer: FC4 backend
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[15:35:00] Yellow-Snow: arg i cant pick out a cool case for my comp
[15:35:00] Yellow-Snow: they all look badass
[15:35:00] Yellow-Snow: neons or not.. led in front or not.. black mid tower or not.. atx mini or not
[15:36:00] jwwwer: Hi I have F backend and Mandriva fronten incomptible server protocol 15 client 14 Can Mandriva get 15 from rpms???
[15:36:00] jwwwer: jwwwer FC4 backend
[15:37:00] glen__: jwwwer: don't repeat. go and compile yourself
[15:37:00] jwwwer: is that the only way???
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[15:38:00] jwwwer: glen is taht the only way must compile??
[15:39:00] glen__: don't know. don't use any of those distros. do some search youself
[15:39:00] jwwwer: geez what do u think Ive been doing before coming to a mythtv forum?????
[15:40:00] glen__: whatever
[15:40:00] Cromz: hmm I think you been having a few beers.. maybe a dub or two...
[15:40:00] Cromz: :)
[15:41:00] laga: jwwwer: please use proper english and take care with those '????'.
[15:41:00] Cromz: mornin laga
[15:41:00] laga: hi Cromz :) sup?
[15:41:00] jwwwer: I think u guys are either burnt out or have pesonal issues
[15:42:00] Cromz: jwwwer, no pesonal issues here..
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[15:42:00] laga: same for me (if i get my pills)
[15:42:00] Cromz: laga, nadda.. playing city of heros.. lol
[15:42:00] glen__: turkey also tought she's laying an egg, but it was shit
[15:43:00] laga: Cromz: hehe :) i'm still looking for the best way to create a dvd, now i'm playing with http://tovid.berlios.de ;)
[15:44:00] Cromz: oh man I quit looking at that stuff.. I'll just buy more drive space. lol
[15:44:00] glen__: k3b is nice, for kde
[15:44:00] laga: Cromz: good idea :)
[15:44:00] laga: glen__: yep, it is, but it's not well integrated with mythtv ;)
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[15:45:00] glen__: laga, ah you don't want to do yourself anything. i see ;)
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[15:46:00] Cromz: if it's a linux app, modify the xml and add it ;) lol
[15:46:00] laga: glen__: i am ;) i'll see if i can have mythburn use it :)
[15:46:00] laga: Cromz: i did that, but it's a little bit. and k3b isn't very good with DVD menus, isn't it? :)
[15:48:00] laga: little bit ugly*
[15:53:00] redline--: anyone in here use FTA sat stuff?
[15:54:00] Yellow-Snow: What case should i get for my box? neons or not.. led in front or not.. black mid tower or not.. atx mini or not.. what looks the best? slick or flashy
[15:54:00] laga: slick. flashy = annoyance
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[15:54:00] UBL: biege box
[15:54:00] Yellow-Snow: oh so like
[15:54:00] UBL: loud and noisy the better
[15:54:00] meushi: definitely not neons and as few leds as possible
[15:54:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.amamax.com/cotdmeceatxm.html
[15:54:00] Yellow-Snow: http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/3btech_1882_729596
[15:55:00] Yellow-Snow: like that?
[15:58:00] Cromz: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119100 <- like that :)
[15:58:00] meushi: my FE has 3 leds and it's already too much... annoying as hell
[15:58:00] UBL: "oh, shiny"
[15:59:00] UBL: leds are annoying
[15:59:00] Yellow-Snow: wow cromz
[15:59:00] Yellow-Snow: where is the power button?
[15:59:00] meushi: Cromz: cute for a FE
[15:59:00] Yellow-Snow: FE?
[15:59:00] Yellow-Snow: oh front end
[15:59:00] meushi: frontend
[15:59:00] Cromz: frontend
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: i have a fe/be
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: cromz thats to much
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: cheaper!
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: remember.. poor college student
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: UBL
[16:00:00] Yellow-Snow: cant u unplug the leds?
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[16:04:00] Cromz: I'm gonna buy this case for my backend soon.. http://store1.yimg.com/I/rackmountmart_1877_674604
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[16:05:00] Yellow-Snow: na
[16:05:00] Cromz: http://store.yahoo.com/rackmountmart/newrm4uracch2.html heh sorry it only got the pic last time.
[16:05:00] Kelerion: you have a cabinet to put it in?
[16:05:00] Cromz: ya. cause I'm gonna put it all in a cabinet
[16:05:00] Cromz: not yet. but I'll get one lol
[16:05:00] Kelerion: lol
[16:06:00] Yellow-Snow: how many people use be/fe instead of all in one?
[16:06:00] Kelerion: I started with a combined setup.. for about a year.. then split them up
[16:06:00] Cromz: I'm moving all my stuff cept for the desktop / frontend(s) to rack setup.
[16:06:00] Kelerion: I think thats how most people have it
[16:06:00] Yellow-Snow: kelerion why? how much better?
[16:06:00] Cromz: I have a be/fe machine for now.
[16:07:00] Kelerion: much more adaptable
[16:07:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean i dont watch live tv through the mox
[16:07:00] Yellow-Snow: and if you have bf/fe where do u put the remote ir
[16:07:00] Cromz: mine will stay that way. but I will add another fe to it.
[16:07:00] UBL: Yellow-Snow, i'm talking about the annoying led on my pda, it's so bright in the dark when i want to read before bed
[16:07:00] UBL: :)
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[16:07:00] Yellow-Snow: ah
[16:07:00] Kelerion: it means I can mess about with my FE however much I want and I don't get shouted at by the wife when her shows aren't recorded
[16:07:00] Yellow-Snow: haha
[16:08:00] Yellow-Snow: true that
[16:08:00] Kelerion: and the remote is on the FE
[16:08:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[16:08:00] Yellow-Snow: my pvr-150 has the remote ir
[16:08:00] UBL: i use a xbox for my frontend :)
[16:08:00] UBL: non-hd content
[16:08:00] Kelerion: most people just get a serial/usb ir reciever
[16:09:00] Kelerion: I just put an old 878 based card in the frontend and used it's ir reciever.. its not used as a capture card.. just somewhere to plug the ir into
[16:10:00] Yellow-Snow: i c
[16:10:00] Yellow-Snow: another thing
[16:10:00] Yellow-Snow: why do they have newsfeeds
[16:10:00] Kelerion: so you can keep up with the news?
[16:11:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean ... like there is no way u can read that on your tv
[16:11:00] Kelerion: sure you can
[16:11:00] Yellow-Snow: .. unless u have a 60 inch
[16:11:00] Yellow-Snow: i can bearly read the tv guide w/ a 20 inch
[16:11:00] Kelerion: I have a FE on a 14" portable and it's fine
[16:11:00] Yellow-Snow: wtf
[16:12:00] Yellow-Snow: maybe its my resolution or something?
[16:12:00] Kelerion: I bet your dpi is all screwed if it's that small
[16:13:00] Yellow-Snow: there a way to turn on the pv via ir
[16:13:00] Yellow-Snow: pc
[16:13:00] ** laga isses the verb in that sentence **
[16:13:00] laga: s/isses7misses/
[16:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: not with your pvr150 pci card.
[16:14:00] Yellow-Snow: aight
[16:14:00] xpis: Yellow-Snow: You could just spin down the hard disks and leave it powered, though.
[16:15:00] Yellow-Snow: um thats on my to do list.. tho i dont want to f w/ the box b/c my remote will stop working i bet
[16:15:00] Yellow-Snow: it was weird today.. turned it off.. went ot sleep.. woke up.. remote didnt work.. restarted 2x then remote worked
[16:15:00] Yellow-Snow: im like uuhh
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[16:17:00] Yellow-Snow: i need to set up vnc/games/ftp/ standby w/ low power.. wakes up to record or if i do anything
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[16:20:00] Yellow-Snow: and i need to do the auto skip commercials
[16:20:00] veteran: Hi all, I'm trying to get my HDTV wonder working using this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_HDTV_Wonder
[16:20:00] veteran: however my kernel uses udev rather than hotplug
[16:20:00] Yellow-Snow: and can't i crop it out to save space?
[16:20:00] veteran: does anyone happen to know how to install the firmware using udev?
[16:23:00] UBL: Yellow-Snow, if you transcode them
[16:23:00] UBL: then commercails are cut (if you marked them)
[16:23:00] Yellow-Snow: hm and thats all in the options?
[16:24:00] UBL: yes
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[16:25:00] Yellow-Snow: cool! what about 2 fe's for 1 be
[16:25:00] UBL: what about it?
[16:25:00] Yellow-Snow: possible?
[16:25:00] UBL: yes
[16:26:00] UBL: you can even have more than 1 be
[16:26:00] Yellow-Snow: now thats cool
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[16:26:00] Yellow-Snow: and for the fe all u need is video out and network card eh?
[16:26:00] UBL: yea
[16:26:00] UBL: i've seen a diskless howto guide before
[16:27:00] Yellow-Snow: u have any idea on my remote? why when i booted up this morning it didnt work?
[16:27:00] UBL: dont know
[16:27:00] UBL: did you start the remote deamon at startup?
[16:28:00] UBL: lircd i think
[16:28:00] Yellow-Snow: i have knoppmyth
[16:28:00] Yellow-Snow: i just boot up
[16:28:00] Yellow-Snow: everything is already done
[16:29:00] UBL: see if lircd is a running process
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[16:29:00] Yellow-Snow: well now it works
[16:29:00] eidolon: hey folks, i'm asking really goofy questions, i know, but does ther ingbuffer always fill up /cache to amx, and stay there? i assume this is nothing to worry about:
[16:29:00] Yellow-Snow: but if it dosent work what do i do?
[16:30:00] eidolon: /dev/hda3 4199372 4199372 0 100% /cache
[16:30:00] UBL: see if it is running "ps aux| grep lircd"
[16:30:00] UBL: if not, start it
[16:31:00] Yellow-Snow: yea it has some stuff
[16:36:00] Yellow-Snow: do people use ntp-server or not?
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[16:37:00] UBL: to sync time?
[16:37:00] Yellow-Snow: yea
[16:37:00] UBL: i do
[16:37:00] UBL: for tv and radio recordings
[16:37:00] Yellow-Snow: like to keep your clock insync
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: I sync all of my machines every night
[16:38:00] Yellow-Snow: now thats what i need to do
[16:38:00] GreyFoxx: I've got one machine where the clock drifts by 9 seconds a day
[16:39:00] kormoc: I use ntpd, it runs and just keeps them in sync all the time
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: I run a single time server at a colo location and they sync all of their clocks to it, I just sync to the same one
[16:40:00] Yellow-Snow: where is the transcode option
[16:41:00] Yellow-Snow: mythtv-setup?
[16:41:00] UBL: i think it's in mythfrontend settings
[16:41:00] UBL: recording profiles
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[16:42:00] Yellow-Snow: aight
[16:42:00] Yellow-Snow: Comerical Skip Method
[16:42:00] Yellow-Snow: scene change detection?
[16:42:00] Yellow-Snow: all? logo?
[16:42:00] laga: i use 'all'
[16:42:00] laga: works for me [tm]
[16:44:00] Yellow-Snow: its not in recording profiles
[16:44:00] Yellow-Snow: n/m
[16:44:00] Yellow-Snow: it is
[16:44:00] laga: in the recording profiles, there's an entry for the 'transcoders'
[16:44:00] laga: hehe
[16:45:00] Yellow-Snow: difference b/t live tv and high quality?
[16:45:00] |TE|Mito: hey guys, I have a question
[16:45:00] |TE|Mito: I have a pcHDTV 3000 card and I'm trying to run MythTV on FC4
[16:46:00] |TE|Mito: I have it setup with the DVB drivers, but I can't get it to read any NTSC channels from my cable
[16:47:00] |TE|Mito: anyone have any suggestions on how to get the NTSC channels working?
[16:48:00] laga: |TE|Mito: i think you loose the ability to receive SDTV channels if using the DVB drivers
[16:50:00] |TE|Mito: ok... well the only reason I loaded the DVB drivers is because I couldn't get any others to work
[16:50:00] |TE|Mito: this is my only tuner card, so I'd rather have all NSTC channels than just 2 HDTV channls.
[16:51:00] |TE|Mito: how do I get it to load the NTSC capable drivers then?
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[16:53:00] Yellow-Snow: wtf NTP sockt is in use, exiting
[16:55:00] meushi: Yellow-Snow: probably means you already have an ntp running
[16:55:00] Yellow-Snow: oh
[16:55:00] Yellow-Snow: shrug
[16:56:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i set it up so i can ftp? or the hd is on the network?
[16:56:00] Kelerion: use samba or nfs
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[17:01:00] rav3r: anyone get the ir blaster that comes with the 150 MCE to work?
[17:02:00] Yellow-Snow: i got ir 150 w/o mce
[17:03:00] rav3r: does it have the beanbag receiver and the ir blaster?
[17:03:00] Yellow-Snow: idk it has the cable box output and the ir receiver
[17:04:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[17:04:00] Yellow-Snow: restart
[17:05:00] Yellow-Snow: and my remote dosnet work
[17:05:00] rav3r: mine came with the receiver, and the reciever has two head-phone-like jacks in the back, and an ir blaster that has a head-phone-like jack. i got my remote working with the receiver, but now i need to get the blaster working for my cable box
[17:05:00] Yellow-Snow: BADASS
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[17:06:00] rav3r: and i'm trying to follow http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.7
[17:06:00] rav3r: but it doesn't really match how i got the remote working following jarod's guide
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[17:07:00] rav3r: i didn't do any setup.sh
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[17:08:00] Yellow-Snow: LMAO ok.. so i restart through EXIT command on desktop and remote wont work... RESTART via knoppmyth and remote will work...
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[17:16:00] Sn1pe: Is there a good way to manually delete recordings? My HDD partition is full so when I try to delete Mythfrontend freezes. When I delete something manually it remains on the recorded list even after it's gone.
[17:17:00] wole: Sn1pe – you have to remove the entry fom the database as well
[17:17:00] Yellow-Snow: samba
[17:17:00] lightx: you need to create a file so that mythfrontend can remove it
[17:17:00] Sn1pe: what's the best thing to do when your partitions full? This keeps happening
[17:17:00] wole: which partition?
[17:18:00] Sn1pe: my mythtv recordings partition
[17:18:00] Chutt: turn on autoexpire.
[17:18:00] Sn1pe: for some reason whenever that fills up mythfrontend freezes when I tell it to delete a recording
[17:18:00] GreyFoxx: And buy a bigger HD
[17:18:00] wole: you can set the minimum ammount of free space before auto deleting files
[17:18:00] wole: in setup
[17:18:00] Sn1pe: k
[17:18:00] Sn1pe: so what do I do now that I've already filled it up?
[17:18:00] wole: set it to 2 or 3 gb
[17:19:00] Yellow-Snow: hey when i get my new hd in.. whats the best way to add it? reformat and just use that 1 hd?
[17:19:00] Sn1pe: just go in and rm a file, then worry about trying to get it off the list?
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: Sn1pe: Just enable auto expire
[17:19:00] wole: yeah
[17:19:00] wole: if you rm the file, then touch it
[17:19:00] oreinert: Trying to compile latest mythtv from svn under SUSE 10.0, which has gcc 4.0.2. mythtv itself builds and works great, but the plugins seem to (still) require gcc 3.x. Is there an easy way (e.g. compiler options) to make the plugins build in this environment. Google doesn't seem to provide anything useful...
[17:19:00] GreyFoxx: If you enable auto expire, and tell it how much space you want free, after a few minutes myth will go through and expire enough to get to that amount
[17:19:00] wole: myth should delete the database info
[17:19:00] Yellow-Snow: OMFG SOMEONE explain why my remote wont work every other time i reboot the system
[17:19:00] wole: when you try to delete
[17:20:00] Sn1pe: wole: it hasn't been, I've had an undeletable recording on there for almost a week that I had manually deleted last time my hd filled up
[17:21:00] wole: you have to remove the entry from the database, or if you can remember the filename you can "touch filename" to make a dummy file that myth can delete (along with the database entry)
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[17:22:00] wole: Sn1pe install phpmyadmin, then find the entry in recordedprogs (i think)
[17:22:00] Sn1pe: how can I go about deleting it from the database?
[17:22:00] Sn1pe: k
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: Or , do as he said and touch the filename and delete through the menu
[17:23:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i check if lircd is running?
[17:23:00] GreyFoxx: Yellow-Snow: "man ps"
[17:23:00] wole: GreyFoxx – i think he's forgotten the filename
[17:24:00] GreyFoxx: wole: The backend will spit it out as it fails to access it
[17:24:00] Chutt: oreinert, why do you think the plugins require 3.x?
[17:24:00] ** wole wonders how long it ould take ot write a quick purge script **
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[17:25:00] GreyFoxx: wole: A lot longer that turning on autoexpire and setting the minimum free space really high
[17:25:00] wole: true
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[17:26:00] Yellow-Snow: .... ok lircd is running but remote is not working
[17:26:00] |TE|Mito: Does anyone know how to get the pcHDTV 3000 card to receive NTSC channels?
[17:26:00] wole: are you ~brejc8 whebn you aren't GryFoxx?
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: wole: I'm never anything but GreyFoxx
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: ever
[17:27:00] wole: oh
[17:27:00] wole: ok
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: I've been GreyFoxx for 18 years :)
[17:27:00] wole: that's some record ;)_
[17:27:00] kormoc: hence the grey beard :)
[17:27:00] wole: lol
[17:27:00] GreyFoxx: 14/15 of it on IRC :)
[17:28:00] Sn1pe: is there a good guide online explaining how to do the touch stuff?
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: Sn1pe: No, touch is a basic unix command
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: touch filename
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[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: creates a blank entry if the file doesn't exist, or updates the timestamp on an existing file
[17:28:00] Sn1pe: well how to figure out what the filename is
[17:28:00] Sn1pe: tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log?
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: look at either logs of your backends output, or run the backend manually
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: that would do it
[17:29:00] oreinert: Chutt: because compilation fails with errors similar to those I got when I tried to build release 0.18.1. Which is a major reason why I use the latest svn sources – they don't have this problem. Would it be useful if I send a copy of the error message I get?
[17:29:00] Chutt: the plugins compile fine in 4.0
[17:30:00] Chutt: so, yes, knowing what errors you're talking about would be useful.
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[17:34:00] epoch: hrm
[17:35:00] rav3r: how do you use an ir reciver and an irblaster at the same time? do you have two remote files?
[17:35:00] epoch: rav3r: there's a section in the mythtv docs that cover that
[17:35:00] rav3r: i'm having trouble following it, since i didn't use setup.sh when i set up the remote
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[17:36:00] rav3r: jarod's guide didn't do it this way
[17:36:00] epoch: well the basic idea is to install 2 modules and 2 copies of the daemon
[17:36:00] epoch: renaming one of them
[17:36:00] epoch: hrm, this is weird
[17:37:00] epoch: I'm getting an off-by-one problem with my analog tuner
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[17:37:00] epoch: what myth thinks channel 3 is is actually channel 2
[17:38:00] Chutt: wrong tuner type
[17:38:00] Chutt: or wrong frequency table
[17:38:00] Chutt: or wrong standard (ntsc/pal)
[17:39:00] epoch: hrm
[17:39:00] epoch: well I'm pretty sure the frequency table's us-cable up here
[17:39:00] Chutt: should be
[17:39:00] epoch: where do I set the tuner type?
[17:39:00] Chutt: when you load your tuner card
[17:39:00] Chutt: kernel modules
[17:40:00] epoch: oh, right
[17:40:00] rav3r: the command yum install lirc-kmdl-$KVER, is that where i install another one and rename it?
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[17:44:00] oreinert: Chutt: you're right, it does compile. See, I build RPMs of mythtv, and I had forgotten to install the -devel RPM with the header files... so embarassing.
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[17:47:00] oreinert: However, mythgallery still fails to link – it complains it can't find -lXmu. Do you happen to know which component provides this library?
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[18:09:00] tfm: oreinert: X library problem
[18:10:00] Yellow-Snow: how do i set my box to hibernate to save power?
[18:11:00] oreinert: tfm: yes, seems there's something wrong with the config of mythgallery in svn revision 8859. Adding -L/usr/X11R6/lib manually solved the problem.
[18:11:00] tfm: oreinert: I already sent this to the mailing list, but nobody responds
[18:12:00] tfm: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2006-January/043137.html
[18:12:00] Chris97b: hello, all. Anyone available to assist with a bit of a problem?
[18:12:00] tfm: what you can do is update the spec file and add
[18:12:00] tfm: echo "LIBS += -L/usr/X11R6/lib" >>mythgallery/mythgallery/mythgallery.pro
[18:12:00] tfm: echo "LIBS += -L/usr/X11R6/lib" >>mythmusic/mythmusic/mythmusic.pro
[18:12:00] tfm: this will handle this issue
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[18:15:00] eidolon: hi folks, quick question – my /cache filesystem is full, which holds the ring buffer. i assume that's 'normal' yes?
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[18:17:00] juski: evening
[18:19:00] oreinert: tfm: thanks, that solved it.
[18:19:00] eidolon: any ideas on my /cache filesystem question? i'm worried about watching the game tomorrow night :)
[18:20:00] juski: laga: you around tonight?
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[18:30:00] Chris97b: Anyone available to assist with a bit of a problem?
[18:30:00] juski: just ask the question
[18:31:00] tfm: oreinert: great
[18:31:00] Chris97b: I'm following Jarod's guide installing mythtv on FC4, and a 'yum upgrade' installs kernel-2.6.15–1.1830_FC4
[18:31:00] Chris97b: but it seems atrpms only has the nvidia kernel module for .1828
[18:32:00] juski: oops
[18:32:00] tfm: Chris97b: you can manually install lower rpm's
[18:32:00] Chris97b: how the heck would I go about installing an older kernel? yum and up2date don't seem to be willing to install anything but the latest
[18:32:00] tfm: Chris97b: adapt grub.conf to boot them
[18:32:00] tfm: Chris97b: yum install kernel
[18:32:00] tfm: and give the label of the kernel
[18:33:00] Chris97b: could I just do yum install kernel-2.4.14 or do I need to specify the full name?
[18:34:00] tfm: Chris97b: hmmm, looking at ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/download.fedora.re . . . tes/4/i386/, it seems .1828 doesn't exist
[18:34:00] Chris97b: lol
[18:35:00] tfm: probably you will want 1656
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[18:35:00] Chris97b: I saw the kernel module in atrpms, so I just assumed the kernel existed :)
[18:35:00] Chris97b: 1656, was that .14 or .15?
[18:36:00] tfm: type
[18:36:00] tfm: yum install kernel-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4
[18:36:00] tfm: yum install kernel-2.6.14–1.1656
[18:36:00] tfm: its one of the 2
[18:38:00] tfm: soit, gone
[18:38:00] Yellow-Snow: has anyone created a whole package of games
[18:38:00] Yellow-Snow: that all u do is install and it sets it up
[18:40:00] Chris97b: hmm, neither of those seem to work (no match for argument: kernel-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4) with or without the _FC4
[18:40:00] Chris97b: how hard would it be to just grab the rpm from the ftp site you referenced, and do it that way?
[18:40:00] Chris97b: (and would that break anything else?)
[18:41:00] juski: eeks! just had a fright.. tried to log into mythweb from my folks' place.. access denied! forgot I've locked it to certain IP addresses ;-)
[18:42:00] Chris97b: lol
[18:43:00] juski: dammit! stupid PoS DBOX2 has stopped responding on the network & I can't reboot it from 150 miles away
[18:44:00] ole_schoola: Chris97b: use the pkg manager you started with
[18:44:00] ole_schoola: rpm alone wont solve dependencies
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[18:44:00] Chris97b: yea, didn't think so
[18:45:00] ole_schoola: i briefly use yum after a fresh install to load smart and go with smart from there
[18:45:00] ole_schoola: it's a little convoluted to get goin but works like a charm thereafter
[18:45:00] Chris97b: smart? never heard of it
[18:45:00] Chris97b: just yum install smart?
[18:45:00] ole_schoola: smart is like apt, yum but seems to depsolv much better
[18:45:00] Chris97b: aah k
[18:46:00] ole_schoola: then do yum install smart-gui
[18:46:00] ole_schoola: if it goes ok, type smart check --help and very carefully answer the questions
[18:47:00] ole_schoola: they will be regarding channel sources
[18:47:00] ole_schoola: you want ATRPM-stable...
[18:47:00] ole_schoola: ...Fedora- BASE
[18:47:00] ole_schoola: ...Fedora- Released Updates
[18:47:00] ole_schoola: that's it
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[18:48:00] ole_schoola: tell me what progress you're making and we'll continue further if you'd like
[18:48:00] Chris97b: sweetness, I'll give that a try, thx!
[18:48:00] eiggirC: Hi all. I have corrupted a recording on my backend. I think its because I was watching it, then saved a point and exited. However it was transcoding while I was watching that recording.
[18:49:00] ** ole_schoola smakes eiggerC with a fish **
[18:49:00] eiggirC: how can I recover?
[18:49:00] eiggirC: ole_schoola: thanks
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[18:49:00] juski: how do you mean 'corrupted' ?
[18:49:00] ole_schoola: Chris97b: that's not all but if you get that far, check back and we'll lock in a kernel for you
[18:49:00] wibbit: Hello All
[18:49:00] wibbit: I have what could be a verry silly question
[18:50:00] wibbit: If I send the output of my video to the TV via an NVidia driver (or any thing else).
[18:50:00] wibbit: Do I have to tune in to the channel on my TV?
[18:50:00] juski: ffs
[18:50:00] ole_schoola: brb ...
[18:50:00] eiggirC: well... my frontend is a laptop with wireless. When I watch that recording my receive light flashes hard out, the screen goes black, and nothing else happens. To get out of it I have to go to a virtual console and "killall mythfrontend"
[18:50:00] juski: not unless you get RF modulated output from the video card, no
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[18:50:00] wibbit: Hi Juski
[18:50:00] eiggirC: juski: can I remove the saved point? cos I think thats whats confused things
[18:51:00] juski: wibbit: video card svideo and composite go into direct inputs on TVs... not into the aerial socket
[18:51:00] juski: eiggirC: try the '
[18:51:00] juski: play from' option
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[18:51:00] juski: instead of pressing select to play it, hit the right arrow
[18:51:00] wibbit: juski, my TV is rather old, I only have three inpurts, to SCARTS and one of those normal round ones
[18:52:00] eiggirC: okay thanks
[18:52:00] webbnetsys: Hey guys, I am 95% working.
[18:52:00] juski: two scarts? and round ones? presumably composite
[18:52:00] webbnetsys: I am just having a framebuffering issue.
[18:52:00] wibbit: I believe it is composite
[18:52:00] eiggirC: wibbit: just use your monitor, or save for a projector, or a new TV
[18:53:00] wibbit: My monitors small in comparison to the TV
[18:53:00] juski: wibbit: just get a SVIDEO to SCART cable
[18:53:00] webbnetsys: The TV out is working when my SuSE box is booting up, but when it loads the Xserver, the frames on the TV set are all mangled up.
[18:53:00] eiggirC: wibbit: sit closer :)
[18:53:00] webbnetsys: Does anybody know how to export the video??
[18:53:00] wibbit: I could probably get those from Maplin...
[18:54:00] juski: wibbit you can buy a PC to TV connection kit from Maplin
[18:54:00] juski: has svideo & PC audio connections to a nice shiny scart plug for your telly
[18:54:00] juski: now if you'll all excuse me I'm off out to get absolutely fucking wasted
[18:54:00] eiggirC: juski: good plan
[18:54:00] webbnetsys: Does anybody know how to change their VGA settings?
[18:54:00] wibbit: juski, Thanks i'll have a look at that
[18:54:00] wibbit: I can put off buying the amp
[18:55:00] juski: a scart lead is erm... a tiny fraction of the price of an amp ;-)
[18:55:00] juski: should be about the price of a double Jack Daniels.. hmmmm Jack Daniels...
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[18:55:00] webbnetsys: eiggirC: HOw does your TV out work?
[18:56:00] wibbit: Hmm, the biggest issue, is I just don't know if my xorg.conf is set up correctly
[18:56:00] beenie: hi all does anybody have on pdf or .html a broad level overview of their notes on installing?
[18:56:00] Yellow-Snow: $ tar -xjf myththemes-0.19.tar.bz2
[18:56:00] Yellow-Snow: $ cd ~/myththemes-0.19
[18:56:00] webbnetsys: wibbit: how are you configuring your xorg.conf file?
[18:56:00] Yellow-Snow: can someone explain where that folder is?
[18:56:00] hadees: does anyone know a good video editing software for linux? I am looking for something to do some better editing of my recordings then i can do with the built in editor
[18:57:00] eiggirC: webbnetsys: I have a laptop, so its close enough to me
[18:57:00] webbnetsys: eiggirC: does your video get exported correctly?
[18:57:00] wibbit: webbnetsys, essentially like this page has stated
[18:57:00] wibbit: http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia:TV-OUT
[18:57:00] webbnetsys: hadees: Main Actor
[18:58:00] wibbit: And from what I can see it is starting and not failing with any errors
[18:58:00] webbnetsys: Thanks. I will check it out.
[18:58:00] Yellow-Snow: where is $ cd ~/myththemes-0.19
[18:59:00] ole_schoola: beenie: wilsonet.com, http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall, or wiki.mythtv.org
[18:59:00] webbnetsys: wibbit: I don't have a NVidea card thought
[19:00:00] webbnetsys: I have a Radeon VE
[19:04:00] corpix: hi, i cant get the current mythtv-svn play sound, i set up /dev/dsp /dev/mixer, but: "No useable audio output driver found." , snd-pcm-oss is up and running...
[19:06:00] corpix: any ideas ?
[19:06:00] corpix: what is a usable audio driver ?
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[19:08:00] corpix: hmm brb
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[19:21:00] casey: having some problems getting mythtv to install
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[19:21:00] beenie: ty
[19:22:00] casey: after installing, i dont see mythtv creating a user/database in mysql
[19:22:00] casey: Database error was:
[19:22:00] casey: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[19:23:00] casey: anyone get this before?
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[19:24:00] casey: i see somewhere i need to run a mc.sql script against mysql
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[19:24:00] corpix: hi again
[19:25:00] corpix: anyone up for an alsa/oss issue ?
[19:25:00] corpix: ;)
[19:26:00] Baylink: Both of them?
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[19:26:00] corpix: NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: Kann AudioOutput nicht anlegen.
[19:27:00] corpix: i tried to get it work with OSS first
[19:27:00] Baylink: Alas, I speak only American and English, though in a pinch I can get by in Canadian.
[19:27:00] corpix: its "can't create AudioOutput", sorry
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[19:27:00] kormoc: corpix, does any audio work?
[19:27:00] corpix: /dev/dsp /dev/mixer exist
[19:27:00] corpix: no audio at all
[19:28:00] kormoc: corpix, in any program?
[19:28:00] corpix: current svn
[19:28:00] Baylink: Distro?
[19:28:00] corpix: gentoo, audio works with both (oss/alsa) for e.g. xmms
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[19:28:00] Baylink: Ok, that's what he asked.
[19:28:00] Baylink: So you can play XMMS manually through ALSA, then.
[19:29:00] corpix: yes, and with OSS, too
[19:29:00] corpix: thats the error, when i try to watch a recorded movie:
[19:29:00] corpix: 2006-02–04 21:27:39.209 No useable audio output driver found.
[19:29:00] corpix: 2006-02–04 21:27:39.209 Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux.
[19:29:00] corpix: 2006-02–04 21:27:39.209 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: Kann AudioOutput nicht anlegen.
[19:29:00] kormoc: corpix, what's your useflagS?
[19:30:00] kormoc: corpix, emerge -pv mythtv will show them
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[19:30:00] corpix: USE="alsa arts dvd oggvorbis opengl -dbox2 -debug -dvb -frontendonly -ieee1394 -jack -joystick -lcd -lirc -nvidia -oss -unichrome"
[19:30:00] corpix: oh
[19:30:00] corpix: -oss ;)
[19:30:00] kormoc: corpix, yup :)
[19:30:00] Baylink: "oops".
[19:30:00] corpix: ok, then but what do i need to set up for alsa
[19:30:00] corpix: i tried to change /dev/dsp to: ALSA:default
[19:31:00] corpix: or even ALSA:hw:0,0
[19:31:00] kormoc: it seems like you need both for ALSA with SVN for some reason
[19:31:00] corpix: ah, i see, that must be why it worked with media-tv/mythtv-0.19_pre8642
[19:31:00] corpix: ok, well, recompiling ;)
[19:32:00] beavis: is anyone using myth on an XBOX with xebian?
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[19:35:00] meushi: beavis: I do
[19:38:00] Baylink: Ian's wife changed her name?  ;-)
[19:39:00] beavis: meushi: do you use the xpad in myth?
[19:40:00] meushi: beavis: nope, only the remote
[19:41:00] beavis: meushi: I don't have one so I'm trying to use joy2key but it segfaults :(
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[19:44:00] corpix: hmm, i have something similar to xpad (uses the kernel driver "xpad") but when i load the module, it wont come up as /dev/js0
[19:44:00] corpix: hmm
[19:45:00] meushi: aaargh, still can't record in full res PAL :(
[19:46:00] beavis: meushi: which resolution are are you using in X on the box
[19:47:00] meushi: beavis: 792x576
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[19:49:00] unkn0wn2u: How do I retranscode mythtv recordings and permanently delete the commercials
[19:51:00] beavis: mythtranscode for mpeg2
[19:51:00] beavis: (only in svn)
[19:51:00] unkn0wn2u: beavis you talkin to me?
[19:51:00] beavis: yes
[19:52:00] unkn0wn2u: what is svn?
[19:52:00] beavis: ok, so you're using 0.18.1 ;)
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[19:53:00] meushi: the weird thing is that LiveTV works fine and dandy with the same 720x576/8mbps
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[20:10:00] bhs128: hello all
[20:15:00] xris: w00t, only 2 more bugs scheduled for .19
[20:17:00] bhs128: how do i get .19
[20:17:00] bhs128: i would like to set that up today for the superbowl
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[20:18:00] ole_schoola: you ever build from source?
[20:18:00] bhs128: i know how
[20:18:00] bhs128: i also have used svn in my spare time
[20:18:00] ole_schoola: what mythh you running now?
[20:18:00] bhs128: .18 kinda, havent got around to set everything else up
[20:19:00] ole_schoola: one day is kinda risky ;)
[20:19:00] bhs128: i am doing my friends computer who has a projector
[20:19:00] bhs128: i love risk
[20:19:00] ole_schoola: which distro?
[20:19:00] bhs128: gentoo
[20:19:00] ole_schoola: can't help ya there
[20:19:00] corpix: there is a nice mythtv-svn ebuild
[20:20:00] bhs128: oooohhhhhh
[20:20:00] bhs128: for .19
[20:20:00] corpix: for svn
[20:20:00] bhs128: i dont want to be to risky
[20:20:00] ole_schoola: svn works well if you want to play
[20:20:00] corpix: svn works _only_, here
[20:20:00] ole_schoola: check the remaining bugs to see if you're affected tho
[20:20:00] bhs128: as long as i can get dvb with my hd3000 working for one channel
[20:21:00] bhs128: i did yesterday, could not see anything for milestone .19
[20:21:00] ole_schoola: you should be good
[20:23:00] bhs128: so is /trunk what going to be .19?
[20:23:00] ole_schoola: yes
[20:24:00] bhs128: nice
[20:24:00] ** ole_schoola checks out SVN right now **
[20:25:00] ole_schoola: preparing to rebuild an FC4 kernel to accomodate lgt3003 frontend
[20:25:00] ole_schoola: what a pain
[20:25:00] ole_schoola: need to wrap my head around gentoo, this FC stuff is getting to be a pain
[20:28:00] squish102: any1 tried mythburn and had the following error "missing syncword @ 114859709, @ 00:01:38.037" over and over in log, and then it fails?
[20:28:00] squish102: that is on knopmyth 5A30.2
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[20:30:00] bhs128: ole_schoola, let me know what questions you might have for gentoo
[20:30:00] bhs128: i have been runing it non stop on many computers
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[20:32:00] ole_schoola: ty! i'm going to do battle with kernel src.rpm for a while longer
[20:33:00] bhs128: oohhh fun
[20:33:00] ole_schoola: i can compile up a new kernel and actually use my hd5000 card but......
[20:33:00] ole_schoola: ...can't get myth to build with dvb no matter what dvb-path i try
[20:34:00] ole_schoola: compiles successfully, but mythtvsetup keeps telling me to compile with dvb, grrrr
[20:40:00] xris: bhs128: you said you're using gentoo, right? there are svn ebuilds available... kormoc could tell you how to set itup
[20:40:00] kormoc: hihi
[20:40:00] bhs128: their is one but it looks like .18 not .19
[20:40:00] bhs128: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
[20:40:00] kormoc: bhs128, no, they are there, just masked
[20:41:00] xris: bhs128: .19 isn't out yet. just svn
[20:41:00] kormoc: bhs128, /usr/portage/media-tv/mythtv/mythtv-0.19_pre8642.ebuild
[20:41:00] bhs128: kormoc, i did try them on another box... the pre6842 does not build the database correctly
[20:42:00] kormoc: bhs128, that would be because you are using UFT8 for your mysql instal
[20:42:00] xris: kormoc: thought that was fixed
[20:42:00] bhs128: it was missing some tables, like settings
[20:43:00] kormoc: bhs128, yes, because the update failed, cause of the utf-8 issue
[20:43:00] kormoc: xris, it might be, cardoe hasn't made a new snapshot in awhile
[20:43:00] xris: ah
[20:43:00] xris: though I thought the utf-8 issues were fixed months ago. I must be thinking of something else.
[20:44:00] bhs128: hmmmm, mysql does not have a option/use flag for utf8 in the ebuild
[20:44:00] kormoc: bhs128, no, but you have it set to use uft-8 in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[20:45:00] bhs128: ahhhh
[20:45:00] bhs128: will i will still try to build direct from the svn repo
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[20:47:00] ole_schoola: ccache improves rebuild time, no?
[20:48:00] bhs128: config time
[20:48:00] bhs128: it caches config information
[20:48:00] xris: ole_schoola: yes
[20:49:00] xris: bhs128: it caches compile data, too
[20:49:00] xris: thus the name of "compile cache"
[20:49:00] bhs128: cool, i thought it was conig cache
[20:50:00] xris: no, it's a drop-in wrapper for gcc
[20:50:00] kormoc: there is a config cache program, but it's rather... unstable at the moment
[20:50:00] kormoc: ccache doesn't cash any configure data
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[20:51:00] xpis: Has anyone thought of adding volume normalization to myth?
[20:52:00] kormoc: xpis, sure, but noone has yet.
[20:52:00] kormoc: xpis, but your patches would likely be quite welcome!
[20:52:00] xpis: I might just do it then, using the xmms plugin as a base. (it should be GPL)
[20:53:00] xris: xpis: it might already be built into libavcodec
[20:53:00] ole_schoola: hmm, ccache is always disables after i configure
[20:53:00] ole_schoola: need to add ccache to gcc somehow?
[20:54:00] xris: ole_schoola: usually ccache just works
[20:54:00] xpis: xris: I grepped the libavcodec source code for "normalize", but I couldn't find anything.
[20:54:00] ole_schoola: xris: ty, i'll figure that out later, it's kinda cold in the room anyhow
[20:54:00] xpis: The real trick will be to keep sound and video syncronized.
[20:56:00] xpis: How exactly does mythtv's sound buffer work? (and is it guaranteed to be a given size?)
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[20:57:00] xpis: (pointing me to the proper functions so I can read the source myself would suffice)
[20:59:00] xpis: I'll need to make sure there that if the buffer gets too small (say, by fast forwarding) that normalization be disabled.
[21:00:00] xris: xpis: dunno. sounds like an appropriate question for #mythtv
[21:00:00] ole_schoola: maybe ask at #mythtv ?
[21:00:00] ole_schoola: heh
[21:00:00] xpis: hm.. I thought the same people were on both channels... but hopefully some developer will see it as it doesn't scroll.
[21:01:00] xpis: (unlike this (very) active channel)
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[21:01:00] xris: some of the same people, but not all of them. it's more a matter of keeping things on-topic in each place... or as the case is often here, allowing people to go off-topic (which you'll get slapped for if you try it there)
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[21:08:00] beau: hey
[21:08:00] beau: i have a compile error
[21:08:00] beau: ill get the output, is someone willing to help me? lol
[21:09:00] beau: oh wheres my manners
[21:09:00] beau: can someone please help
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[21:14:00] degreseven: how can i fix prebuffering pause errors? usually i start getting them about 5 mins into a show & sometimes they happen more than once every second
[21:15:00] degreseven: i think it happened when i upgraded nvidia drivers, but the fixes i've seen online havent worked for me
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[21:19:00] Pablo: anyone running mythtv with a pansat reciever?
[21:26:00] squish102: any1 use mythburn? do u only use it with a card that records in MPEG2?
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[21:27:00] squish102: so far it seems to only work with MPEG2 recordings.. the others give me pages of missing syncword @ 74536885, @ 00:01:04.844
[21:29:00] elfsangry: does livna have packages up for myth yet? i heard they were coming soon
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[21:35:00] Beirdo: you could just go look on livna
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[21:48:00] rtsai: anyone with both HD-3000 and PVR-500 ?
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[22:03:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.cmicomputer.com/graphics/cslubic-plane.jpg
[22:06:00] rjune: that is wrong
[22:06:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.amamax.com/cotdmeceatxm.html
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[22:06:00] Yellow-Snow: i think im going to end up getting that b/c its cheap and decent
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[22:10:00] rjune: i meant the plane was wrong
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[22:16:00] scottder: Whats a good cheap sound card with digital output?
[22:17:00] scottder: that is supported well in linux...
[22:17:00] scottder: my chaintech has works, but has some issues
[22:17:00] kusznir: hi all: How do I troubleshoot dvd playback under knoppmyth? I select "play DVD", the menu item becomes unhighlighted for a few seconds, the dvd light lights up a sec or two, then the menu item re-highlights.
[22:17:00] kusznir: I've checked permissions, and it should work (rw for group cdrom; mythtv is in the cdrom group)
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[22:19:00] ole_schoola: scottder: turtle beach riviera, can't go wrong, low $
[22:19:00] scottder: good linux suppot?
[22:19:00] ole_schoola: scottder: uses cmipci
[22:19:00] Sn1pe: anyone have any suggestions for adjusting the colors on a pvr-150? They seem very washed out
[22:19:00] ole_schoola: scottder: alsa support, no probs
[22:19:00] scottder: Cool
[22:20:00] scottder: thanks :)
[22:20:00] scottder: $23.99 at newegg, sweet
[22:20:00] ole_schoola: np, enjoy
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[22:21:00] scottder: I had issues with my chaintech...if I set it too 48000 it would sound weird...high pitched 44100 and it was fine, but then some of the AVIs I had sounded weird....low pitched
[22:22:00] beau: anyone got around the -lqt-mt error when compiling
[22:23:00] ole_schoola: i use the very simple .asoundrc described in Jarod's walkthrough and changed emu19k1 to cmipci, use Alsa:default in both general setup and music setup
[22:24:00] ole_schoola: never had to muss with any dmix settings, everything just does passthrough to my receiver
[22:24:00] beau: anyone here compiled 0.18.2 from source?
[22:24:00] beau: im having troubles
[22:25:00] beau: basically
[22:25:00] beau: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt
[22:25:00] beau: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[22:25:00] beau: thats the error when i make
[22:27:00] ole_schoola: echo $PATH and echo $QTDIR please
[22:28:00] lightx: did you compile qt ?
[22:29:00] lightx: whats your distribution?
[22:29:00] ole_schoola: bbl, dinner time
[22:30:00] lightx: yo beau. ... awake?
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[22:31:00] AngryElf: Does anybody know how well ivtv works with the pvr-500s? i was reading jarod's howto and it says that the drivers are bleeding edge and thus really flaky, is that still the case?
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[22:32:00] Yellow-Snow: hm ok mpeg-4 is smaller then mpeg-2 right?
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[22:34:00] Beirdo: that depends solely on bitrate
[22:34:00] Beirdo: but for similar quality, MPEG-4 is at a lower bitrate, hence smaller
[22:36:00] Yellow-Snow: ok then is there a program that can convert mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 .. like at the end of the day converts all the video into mpeg-4 to save room?
[22:37:00] scottder: There are user actions you can set up to do tasks like that
[22:37:00] Yellow-Snow: in mythtv?
[22:37:00] mishehu: anything I want to save I strip out the commercials and transcode.
[22:37:00] mishehu: using transcode and xvid4
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[22:38:00] Yellow-Snow: manually or auto
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[22:42:00] mishehu: Yellow-Snow: I strip out the commercials manually
[22:42:00] mishehu: I scripted it then to transcode a bunch of them batch.
[22:43:00] mishehu: I was going to use commercial flagging, but some shoows don't get flagged very well, it's weird.
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[22:47:00] kormoc: mishehu, it's not like they make it easy to automatically flag commericals...
[22:47:00] mishehu: kormoc: I know, it's a conspiracy to shove them down our throats
[22:47:00] mishehu: they think I'm going to by Enzyte.
[22:49:00] mishehu: but in reality, if I ever see Bob, I will break his face.
[22:50:00] mishehu: because he's really damn obnoxious with that Joker smile on him and that ugly ho of a "wife"
[22:50:00] beau: lightx,. i am now currently awake lol
[22:50:00] beau: sorry
[22:50:00] beau: distro= fedora core 4
[22:50:00] beau: qt = 3.3 i think
[22:51:00] beau: and echo $PATH
[22:52:00] beau: echo $PATH
[22:52:00] beau: /usr/kerberos/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bi n:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/beau/bin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[22:52:00] beau: plus echo qtdir
[22:52:00] beau: echo $QTDIR
[22:52:00] beau: /usr/lib/qt3
[22:53:00] beau: ive read bout the errror, apparently its got to do with libqt-mt-dev
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[22:57:00] beau: i dont understand why its not installing
[22:57:00] beau: cos i was able to install myth using yum install mythtv-suite
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[22:57:00] beau: but now
[22:57:00] beau: i cant even run make
[22:57:00] beau: well cant complete make
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[23:02:00] kristok: so im upgrading my box from an athlon->athlon64, but i forgot to backup my db before i started
[23:02:00] kristok: can i just copy the contents of /var/lib/mysql?
[23:03:00] kristok: onto the new drive
[23:03:00] beau: u can export the myth database i think
[23:03:00] kristok: yes you can
[23:03:00] kristok: but i didn't, and i'm installing onto a new disk
[23:03:00] beau: then just install mysql and import the db
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[23:04:00] kristok: but all I have are the contents of /var/lib/mysql, not a mysqldump or something
[23:04:00] beau: its um
[23:04:00] beau: mc.sql i think
[23:04:00] beau: mc is short for mythconverg
[23:04:00] Sn1pe: is there a quick way to center recording playback on my tv? It's way off, but mythtv is setup perfectly for the interface to fit the screen
[23:04:00] kristok: yeah, thats the "starting clean" databse
[23:05:00] beau: yea
[23:05:00] beau: but it all saves to there once its imported doesnt it
[23:05:00] kristok: Sn1pe: it's in the tools/setup somewhere, you can "offset" the playback
[23:05:00] beau: Sn1pe: I read this morning somewhere, that there is a bugfix for that
[23:05:00] kristok: beau: no it doesn't
[23:05:00] beau: or, what he/she said lol
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[23:06:00] beau: yea
[23:06:00] beau: ok
[23:06:00] beau: hmm
[23:06:00] beau: where does it store the data
[23:06:00] kristok: it stores it in /var/lib/mysql
[23:06:00] Chris97b: kristok, if the old DB is on a different drive, would it be possible to boot that drive long enough to mysqldump the DB?
[23:07:00] kristok: yeah, but if i can just copy /var/lib/mysql that would be 10x easier
[23:07:00] kristok: my new install is for x86_64, and the old mobo/cpu is just sitting on my desk
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[23:08:00] beau: ahhh
[23:08:00] kristok: should booting the "old" fc4 (not x86_64) work?
[23:08:00] beau: i can see where a problem would come about copying the /var/lib thing
[23:08:00] beau: incompatible 32/64 bit stuff maybe
[23:08:00] Chris97b: well, nothing to lose trying I guess, just make sure you get all the files
[23:09:00] beau: yea
[23:09:00] beau: true
[23:09:00] kristok: yeah, i'm just waiting for the install to finish so i can try these out
[23:09:00] Chris97b: I figure worst case, delete the suckers, and you're back where you started :)
[23:09:00] beau: yea
[23:09:00] kristok: the wife would kill me ;-)
[23:09:00] beau: .........k
[23:09:00] Chris97b: lol
[23:09:00] beau: on a new note....
[23:09:00] beau: have u tried compiling 0.18.2
[23:09:00] beau: ?
[23:10:00] kristok: no
[23:10:00] beau: damn..... lol
[23:10:00] beau: its giving me this error
[23:11:00] beau: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt
[23:11:00] beau: then the make wont keep going
[23:11:00] Sn1pe: kristok: The problem I'm having is that the X-Offset is already maxed out to the -X direction and It still is about 10% from the left edge of the screen
[23:11:00] kristok: Sn1pe: what version you using?
[23:12:00] Sn1pe: 0.18.1–5
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[23:13:00] kristok: Sn1pe: is this a recent problem, or is this a new machine with this.
[23:14:00] Sn1pe: using S-Video output on an nvidia 4200, but the desktop and interface are sized correctly
[23:14:00] Sn1pe: I've just added the tv on
[23:14:00] kristok: do you still have a monitor hooked up?
[23:14:00] Sn1pe: yes
[23:15:00] kristok: what resolution are you putting out
[23:15:00] Sn1pe: come to think of it, mythfrontend didn't fit perfectly until I specified 1024x768
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[23:15:00] kristok: 1024x768 is overkill for a normal tv
[23:16:00] ole_schoola: beau: current dir for qt in FC4 should be /usr/lib/qt-3.3, have a look and see if it's there
[23:17:00] Sn1pe: should I bump it down to 800x600?
[23:18:00] ** scottder is still trying to figure out why lirc isn't working for xine **
[23:18:00] kristok: thats what i use
[23:18:00] beau: sure is there ole schoola
[23:18:00] scottder: i have all the xine entries in ~/.lircrc
[23:19:00] ole_schoola: beau: where does the link /usr/bin/qmake point to?
[23:19:00] Sn1pe: k doing the old reboot
[23:20:00] Chris97b: hey, anyone else had blank/gray screen issues with the nvidia drivers? *finally* got them installed, and X totally craps itself. Had to go back to the old xorg.conf just to get it to boot
[23:20:00] beau: ole schoola: how do i check the link?
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[23:20:00] Chris97b: from reading the nvidia forums, looks like a pretty common issue, but seems like there are people who've got it to work
[23:20:00] ole_schoola: ls -l /usr/bin | grep qmake
[23:21:00] scottder: http://pastebin.ca/40019
[23:21:00] scottder: does an entry like that look right?
[23:21:00] beau: ole_schoola: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Dec 31 14:42 qmake -> ../lib/qt-3.3/bin/qmake
[23:22:00] beau: is where it points to
[23:22:00] ole_schoola: alrighty then, somehow your PATH and QTDIR are wrong (maybe you followed FAQ too closely ;)
[23:22:00] beau: probably
[23:22:00] beau: how do i change that
[23:23:00] beau: um do u want me to get my $PATH so u know what it is as well?
[23:23:00] ole_schoola: change PATH to include /usr/lin/qt-3.3/bin and QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt-3.3
[23:23:00] ole_schoola: already read from earlier ;)
[23:23:00] beau: k
[23:23:00] beau: ur good lol
[23:24:00] ole_schoola: change em and i bet you build further, maybe all the way
[23:24:00] beau: k um what command do i use for changing the path?
[23:24:00] scottder: err it's probably bad form to run stuff as root ...
[23:24:00] scottder: I should change that :)
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[23:24:00] beau: ole_schoola, do i set the PATH variable during configure script?
[23:25:00] ole_schoola: not command, edit files, could be /etc/.profile or ~/.bash-profile, have a look
[23:25:00] kristok: scottder: yeah, you could end up doing something bad and not even realize it until its too late...
[23:25:00] beau: i prob sound like a newb lol
[23:25:00] ole_schoola: wasn't long ago i was were you are, and i'm still a 'newb', not a programmer either
[23:25:00] scottder: kristok: I'll probably fix that this weekend...once I figure out the confounded issue with lirc and xine not playing together
[23:26:00] kristok: scottder: try switching the order so that "prog = xine" is first afer the begin
[23:26:00] Mobleman: Which distro do you recommend for me? I've only used debian on my server...
[23:26:00] beau: k ole_schoola um i checked in etc, ill jut check the ~ but i remember i have a profile.d folder does that sound useful?
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[23:26:00] kristok: scottder: i'm looking at mine (which works), and things are prog, button, repeat, config
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[23:27:00] ole_schoola: beau: not for this problem ;)
[23:27:00] beau: lol
[23:27:00] Sn1pe: kristok: changed it to 800x600 and it's still way too far off to the right and down
[23:27:00] beau: ole_schoola: not in any of where u said
[23:28:00] beau: ill do a locate and see if i can find it
[23:28:00] kristok: Sn1pe: are you moving things the right direction?
[23:28:00] Mobleman: Which distro and WM do you guys use for mythtv??
[23:28:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=2&a . . . s_id=93&
[23:28:00] Yellow-Snow: would that work?
[23:28:00] Sn1pe: yeah, I rezeroed everything out
[23:28:00] xpis: If I added support for volume normalizing in the backend.. would someone be able to add support in mythtv for the functionality (options, keystrokes, UI...)?
[23:29:00] xpis: by the backend, I don't mean mythbackend.. I mean libmyth
[23:29:00] ole_schoola: Mobleman: since you are familiar with debian, have you tried using it or ubuntu? just a thought
[23:29:00] beau: i use KDE for WM Mobleman
[23:29:00] kristok: Sn1pe: im at a loss for now...
[23:29:00] scottder: kristok: do the key mappings within xine matter?
[23:29:00] beau: some say its better some say its worse
[23:29:00] kristok: scottder: what do you mean
[23:29:00] scottder: .xine/keymap
[23:29:00] xpis: (I am familiar with C/C++ programming, but not with QT in the slightest)
[23:29:00] scottder: maps keys to functions within xine
[23:30:00] beau: ole_schoola: i can not find the files i need to edit, u got any more ideas
[23:30:00] Mobleman: beau: But I've heard that KDE is very heavy and I should use a lightweight-wm
[23:30:00] beau: yea, thats why people say its bad
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[23:30:00] Sn1pe: kristok: it's cool, thanks for the help
[23:31:00] beau: Mobleman: what kinda pc u have?
[23:31:00] ole_schoola: beau: did you manually set your $PATH to include /usr/lib/qt or is just like that on it's own?
[23:31:00] Mobleman: ole_schoola: Yea, I've tryed to install it on debian, but i can't get it to work..
[23:31:00] Mobleman: beau: Athlon XP 2400+, 512 MB PC2700
[23:31:00] EricL: Would I get a performance increase if I changed the arch=pentiumpro config option when building mythtv from source?
[23:31:00] Mobleman: Terratec Cinergy 600TV/Radio
[23:32:00] ole_schoola: EricL: just tried to -arch-k8 on SVN and it borked on me
[23:32:00] ole_schoola: -arch=k8
[23:32:00] kristok: Mobleman: i use windowmaker, it's very lightweight
[23:33:00] beau: Mobleman: ur computer will run any window maker pretty well, but yea ligtweights are always good
[23:33:00] kristok: Mobleman: but if you plan to use the machine for stuff other than myth, choose what you want
[23:33:00] ** scottder uses fluxbox...extremely lightwieght :) **
[23:33:00] Yellow-Snow: hhhhmm
[23:33:00] beau: ole _schoola: i just installed packages, its done it itself
[23:33:00] Yellow-Snow: guys my dvd player for my main pc is like a cd player in a car
[23:33:00] beau: ole_schoola: is there a way i can change it
[23:33:00] EricL: ole_schoola: I have a P4 Xeon and I am curious if there are significant enhancements to handle Myth running on a faster processor.
[23:33:00] Yellow-Snow: u just slide in the disk.. why dont they make it like that anymore
[23:34:00] ole_schoola: beau: it would really help if you read up on PATH and bash profile, very important stuff there
[23:34:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: slot loading is cool...but man when they fail it's a pain
[23:34:00] beau: ole_schoola: will do, any suggestions on where
[23:34:00] Yellow-Snow: oh i mean mines what 6 years old?
[23:34:00] Yellow-Snow: still so badass
[23:35:00] Yellow-Snow: RIP dvd does that mean save it to hd or burn it
[23:35:00] ole_schoola: beau: all the usual googling comments aside, there's a redhat-config util to manage your path i believe, never used it though
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[23:36:00] ole_schoola: beau: very important to understand environment variables, tho
[23:36:00] beau: yea
[23:37:00] beau: i just found a file /etc/profile
[23:37:00] scottder: Yellow-Snow: rip generally meands taking from a disc and putting on the HD
[23:37:00] scottder: burn means putting on a disc
[23:37:00] scottder: :)
[23:37:00] ole_schoola: yeah yeah yeah
[23:37:00] beau: ole_schoola: pathmunge () {
[23:37:00] beau: if ! echo $PATH | /bin/egrep -q "(^|:)$1($|:)" ; then
[23:37:00] beau: if [ "$2" = "after" ] ; then
[23:37:00] beau: PATH=$PATH:$1
[23:37:00] beau: look correct?
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[23:37:00] ole_schoola: not quite, wait one
[23:37:00] Yellow-Snow: will this work for linux?
[23:37:00] Yellow-Snow: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=2&a . . . s_id=93&
[23:38:00] ole_schoola: after pathmunge /usr/X11R6/bin after
[23:38:00] ole_schoola: pathmunge /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin after
[23:38:00] Mobleman: beau: I'm not sure that this is gonna be the computer to run mythtv final... it's gonna be my test machine to learn to setup mythtv..
[23:38:00] beau: i c
[23:39:00] beau: well to give u an idea
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[23:39:00] ole_schoola: sorry, after the statement pathmunge /usr/X11R6/bin after you should add pathmunge /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin after
[23:39:00] beau: Mobleman: to give u an idea i 'had' mythtv-suite set up using KDE as my WM on a 866 Celeron with 256MB ram
[23:40:00] Mobleman: Ya.. but I think I'm going to learn to set up a light-weight wm just to know about how to configuring it on the final box... :P
[23:40:00] beau: Mobleman: It could run myth reasonably well, just wasnt fast enough for live tv
[23:40:00] beau: yea
[23:40:00] Mobleman: live tv?
[23:40:00] beau: ole_schoola: thanks, ill try it
[23:40:00] beau: mobleman: where u watch tv, and can fast forward, pause rewind etc
[23:41:00] ole_schoola: beau: log out, back in, then echo $PATH, should see /lib/qt-3.3/bin
[23:41:00] beau: mobleman: in myth its called WatchTV a lot of people call it Live though cos its all logged
[23:41:00] Mobleman: Hmm... what about recording on that box?
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[23:42:00] beau: mobleman: recording, worked sweet
[23:42:00] Mobleman: beau: And, could you watch tv at the same time?
[23:43:00] beau: mobleman: had Mpeg2 encoding, and used commercial flagging it turned out quite well (cept for an audio problem)
[23:43:00] ** scottder wont' answer any more Yellow-Snow till he acknowledges my replies in some way :) **
[23:43:00] beau: mobleman: nope, i couldnt watch and record, i usually just exited the frontend and left the backend going
[23:43:00] beau: beau: an 866 cant handle too much video
[23:43:00] beau: ole_schoola: pathmunge /usr/X11R6/bin after
[23:43:00] beau: pathmunge /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin after does that look right now?
[23:44:00] ole_schoola: beau: you logged out and back in
[23:44:00] Mobleman: beau: Okay.. thanks for you help..
[23:44:00] ole_schoola: beau: you logged out and back in?
[23:44:00] beau: doing it now, just closed my consoles
[23:44:00] beau: wont need to restart the computer or anything will i?
[23:44:00] ole_schoola: nah
[23:44:00] beau: ahhh sweet
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[23:45:00] ** Mobleman thinks he is going to se 8 mile... and then sleep until 14 o'clock! :D (The clock in Denmark right now: 00:44) **
[23:45:00] beau: k
[23:45:00] beau: echo $path
[23:45:00] ole_schoola: if you're impatient, cd to mythtv svn directory, type export $QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt-3.3
[23:45:00] beau: and i get
[23:45:00] beau: /usr/kerberos/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bi n:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/beau/bin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[23:45:00] beau: look better now?
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[23:45:00] ole_schoola: nope
[23:46:00] beau: ahh damn
[23:46:00] ole_schoola: somewhere /usr/lib/qt3 is defined and it should be removed, your pathmunge statememnt needs to be on a new line
[23:46:00] beau: ill choose the impatient method and c
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[23:46:00] ole_schoola: not yet, fix PATH first\
[23:47:00] ole_schoola: make sure your new pathmunge is on a newline
[23:47:00] beau: yea
[23:47:00] ole_schoola: log out, in, check PATH again
[23:47:00] beau: it was
[23:47:00] ole_schoola: ah, you need to find the offender
[23:48:00] beau: yea, in the profile file i found, there was nothing bout qt in it
[23:48:00] ole_schoola: find more profiles! read up on bash as applied to Fedora
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[23:48:00] beau: k
[23:49:00] beau: so find the profile with QT statements
[23:49:00] Yellow-Snow: import cd blows
[23:49:00] beau: then ill let u know
[23:49:00] Yellow-Snow: my cd's w' all these mp3's.. wont import
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[23:50:00] kristok: Yellow-Snow: import cd is just for audio cds i think.
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[23:50:00] ole_schoola: beau: good plan, i'll be around on and off tonight
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[23:51:00] Yellow-Snow: yea =\
[23:51:00] ** ole_schoola paaatiently waits for atrpms kmdl's **
[23:51:00] Yellow-Snow: hm
[23:51:00] Yellow-Snow: why does my remote work sometimes
[23:51:00] Yellow-Snow: but other times i reboot it wont
[23:51:00] Yellow-Snow: like i dont get it
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[23:51:00] beau: ole_schoola: found it
[23:51:00] beau: ole_schoola: well, another profile anyway
[23:52:00] beau: here it is
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[23:52:00] beau: # .bash_profile
[23:52:00] beau: # Get the aliases and functions
[23:52:00] beau: if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
[23:52:00] beau: . ~/.bashrc
[23:52:00] beau: fi
[23:52:00] beau: # User specific environment and startup programs
[23:52:00] beau: PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
[23:52:00] beau: export PATH
[23:52:00] beau: unset USERNAME
[23:52:00] ole_schoola: that's root's .bash_profile, you might not want to mess with that one
[23:53:00] ole_schoola: try /home/mythtv/.bash_profile
[23:53:00] ole_schoola: as mythtv user
[23:53:00] beau: ill try my user, i didnt set up a myth user
[23:53:00] ole_schoola: what did ya set up?
[23:53:00] scottder: anyone using a wireless keyboard?
[23:54:00] ole_schoola: something other than root, right?
[23:54:00] beau: ole_schoola: yep
[23:54:00] beau: i jsut found the bash profile for the non root user
[23:54:00] beau: its the exact same
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[23:55:00] ole_schoola: dunno what to say, by default FC4 built out from the guide should have PATH and QTDIR set properly
[23:56:00] beau: yea
[23:56:00] beau: thanks for helping, im getting closer to solving the problem i think
[23:56:00] ole_schoola: np, best of luck
[23:57:00] beau: i still need ur help though lol
[23:57:00] beau: u seem to know what its all about
[23:58:00] ole_schoola: not realy, just that i've made damn near every newb mistake you can with FC ;)
[23:58:00] rogier: hello people, in MythMusic I am very frequently having having the error "MythMusic has encountered the following error: DecoderMAD: CAnnot find a valid MPEG header"
[23:59:00] rogier: Anybody in here has any clues?
[23:59:00] ole_schoola: i'll be around like i said, need to hit the head right now, bbl
[23:59:00] beau: k
[23:59:00] beau: later
[23:59:00] beau: ill let u know how it goes

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