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Wednesday, February 1st, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] thaJeepJerk (n=lippmanl@boirel1.hp.com) Quit ("hello")
[00:01:00] klys: I don't get why the signal ground is tied to the shell
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[00:01:00] juski: for screening, that's why
[00:01:00] juski: best practice
[00:04:00] ** klys has a dead continuity checker **
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[00:05:00] juski: klys: is that one of the 7 pin DIN connectors which is physically compatible with svideo plugs? the manual shows a normal svid lead plugged into the 7 pin socket
[00:05:00] thaJeepJerk: anyone here into home automation?
[00:06:00] ** klys has an x10 dimmer, firecracker serial device and x10 reciever **
[00:07:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah, thats basically where I am now, not really sure if I dig x10 tho
[00:07:00] thaJeepJerk: very slow
[00:07:00] juski: try DMX.. 512 channels instead... not over the mains though
[00:07:00] klys: mine responds within a second at least
[00:07:00] thaJeepJerk: DMX isn't really for the home
[00:07:00] juski: oh but it so _can_ be
[00:08:00] juski: cheaper than X10 too
[00:08:00] thaJeepJerk: klys: too slow for fade effects
[00:08:00] juski: and dmx is totally suited to light dimming ;-)
[00:08:00] scottder: anyone have any idea what the
[00:08:00] scottder: "is editting" flag in mythweb means?
[00:08:00] thaJeepJerk: juski: there you buying your DMX!?
[00:08:00] juski: you can get a USB to DMX adapter for not much cash <$50
[00:08:00] juski: linux drivers available too
[00:09:00] thaJeepJerk: I was thinking more the dimmer packs
[00:09:00] ** juski is thinking about getting dmx at home **
[00:09:00] juski: 8 channel dimmer pack <£100
[00:09:00] thaJeepJerk: and I then you gotta run wire everywhere
[00:09:00] juski: so?
[00:09:00] juski: cat5 cable
[00:09:00] juski: already in :)
[00:09:00] thaJeepJerk: not in my house
[00:10:00] thaJeepJerk: :(
[00:10:00] juski: you know _why_ X10 is so slow?
[00:10:00] juski: the data is transmitted during mains zero crossing cycles
[00:10:00] thaJeepJerk: because it takes .7 seconds to send a message
[00:10:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah,
[00:11:00] thaJeepJerk: and every 2 bits is one bit
[00:11:00] juski: yep
[00:11:00] thaJeepJerk: and every message is sent twice
[00:12:00] thaJeepJerk: I was thinking, if only I could control appliances with homeplug...
[00:13:00] juski: I wonder if you can send DMX over the mains...
[00:14:00] juski: yup.. mDMX
[00:14:00] thaJeepJerk: well dmx is RS485
[00:15:00] thaJeepJerk: which is a lot faster than something like x10
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[00:15:00] juski: 384,000 buad
[00:15:00] juski: *baud even
[00:16:00] thaJeepJerk: where'd you find mDMX?
[00:16:00] juski: google
[00:16:00] thaJeepJerk: didn't happen for me
[00:16:00] thaJeepJerk: :(
[00:16:00] ole_schoola: DMX is mostly used in lighting automation
[00:17:00] ole_schoola: whatr's mDMX?
[00:17:00] juski: yeh but it can be used for _anything_ really
[00:17:00] juski: turn appliances on & off... open curtains.. doors... etc
[00:18:00] juski: set off strobes, smoke machines...
[00:18:00] juski: oops
[00:18:00] ole_schoola: true but i think you'd do a whole lot better with a Waki or Global Express
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[00:18:00] thaJeepJerk: just don't fade your TV :)
[00:18:00] juski: club where I used to work controlled all the house lights on DMX... crossfaded between different lighting scenes through the day, and into the night
[00:19:00] ole_schoola: DMX's protocol is fairly rigid, purpose built
[00:19:00] juski: for a new build I'd def. go the DMX way
[00:19:00] thaJeepJerk: its very common in performance lighing
[00:20:00] juski: very common? de rigeur I reckon
[00:20:00] electrichamster: Agreed, DMX is the way to go for any lighting system
[00:21:00] juski: need something to bring all those clay paky golden scans in my livingroom to life :-P
[00:21:00] ole_schoola: With a Flyin Pig console, none of that LJ rubble
[00:22:00] juski: I miss programming lightshows
[00:22:00] thaJeepJerk: well but now what if I want feedback bevices
[00:22:00] thaJeepJerk: devices*
[00:22:00] juski: hmmm...
[00:22:00] juski: that's the one limitation with DMX.. it's one way innit
[00:23:00] ole_schoola: enter the Waki, or the Global Cache
[00:23:00] thaJeepJerk: ole_schoola: never heard of them
[00:24:00] ole_schoola: google and enjoy =)
[00:24:00] thaJeepJerk: do they run over power lines?
[00:24:00] ole_schoola: ah, no
[00:24:00] ole_schoola: must you try to use mains to transport?
[00:25:00] SqWaw: Can I have some MythWeb help? I keep getting the "Database Setup Error" but I've followed the README and the instructions displayed in my browser to no avail.
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[00:25:00] juski: SqWaw: from what I remember the DB details are now in the .htaccess file
[00:25:00] SqWaw: I edited them, the defaults were fine :(
[00:25:00] thaJeepJerk: SqWaw: can you log in using the mysql client?
[00:25:00] SqWaw: ya
[00:26:00] SqWaw: MythTV ~ # mysql -u mythtv -p
[00:26:00] SqWaw: Enter password:
[00:26:00] SqWaw: mysql>
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[00:26:00] ole_schoola: have you opened up mysql perms to allow your internal network?
[00:26:00] thaJeepJerk: what about with the database name?
[00:26:00] SqWaw: yes ma'am.
[00:26:00] SqWaw: mythconverg
[00:27:00] thaJeepJerk: right
[00:27:00] thaJeepJerk: ole_schoola: I think he's talking to you ;)
[00:27:00] SqWaw: lol
[00:28:00] thaJeepJerk: so yeah I was hoping to use the mains so there's no need to rewire
[00:29:00] ole_schoola: ah, using mains is worst case scenario but there's a company pushing 10–30 Mb speeds IIRC
[00:29:00] ole_schoola: can't recall there name right now
[00:31:00] thaJeepJerk: the HomePlug AV claims 120Mbps at the IP level
[00:32:00] thaJeepJerk: which is hard to believe
[00:32:00] thaJeepJerk: the GC100 looks pretty cool tho
[00:33:00] thaJeepJerk: a little heavy on the $$
[00:34:00] thaJeepJerk: I'm convinced if I could make a homeplug device like the GC-100 it'd do pretty well out there
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[00:39:00] scottder: Any further word when 0.19 goes "gold" :)
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[00:40:00] xris: scottder: when it's ready
[00:40:00] scottder: Ah :)
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[00:40:00] ** xris hopes isaac will give him at least a couple hours' notice, though. **
[00:41:00] ** scottder was hoping it was before he moved his rig out to the living room **
[00:41:00] xris: daniel's still committing like crazy, so I'd say it's not ready yet
[00:43:00] thaJeepJerk: scottder: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap
[00:44:00] Beirdo: a checkin freeze some time before release may be a wise precaution so we don't end up with a 0.19.1 :)
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[00:50:00] ** juski is still looking for panasonic discrete ir codes **
[00:54:00] ole_schoola: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/files/rc . . . onic&fc=
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[00:55:00] ole_schoola: if you find your model (use the Search Files), you'll want to kill yourself after trying to GET to the codes
[00:56:00] juski: found the model
[00:56:00] ole_schoola: it's somewhat non-trivial
[00:56:00] ole_schoola: get the file, unzip
[00:56:00] ole_schoola: go get prontodeit sw, the old stuff, not the new
[00:57:00] ole_schoola: can dl SW right from remote central
[00:57:00] juski: ahh the old software
[00:57:00] ole_schoola: open the file with the editor, click on half a million buttons/screens until you find the right page
[00:57:00] juski: I'm familiar with mangling JP1 stuff
[00:58:00] ole_schoola: drill really deep into each buttons properties until you find the hex
[00:58:00] ole_schoola: cut n paste
[00:58:00] ole_schoola: see wasn;t that easy?
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[00:59:00] ole_schoola: now rinse n repeat for each button
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[00:59:00] juski: oh feck :)
[00:59:00] Cromz: feck?
[00:59:00] juski: fuck
[01:00:00] Cromz: wlol
[01:00:00] electrichamster: feck is better
[01:00:00] ole_schoola: find some hex yet?
[01:00:00] electrichamster: more irish
[01:00:00] Cromz: that it was fsck
[01:04:00] ole_schoola: grrr – myth compiles with --enable-dvd and wht i think is the proper header path
[01:04:00] juski: oh yeah found plenty hex
[01:05:00] ole_schoola: but damned if it keeps telling me Nein in mythtv-setup
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[01:05:00] juski: I don't think this TV actually has discrete codes
[01:05:00] ole_schoola: are there buttons on the page for discrete funtions?
[01:05:00] juski: nope
[01:05:00] ole_schoola: power-on? power-off?
[01:05:00] juski: power is a toggle
[01:05:00] juski: as is AV
[01:06:00] juski: to select AV2-svid you'd go AV.. then press green once or twice
[01:06:00] ole_schoola: panasonic, one batch they make great, another is a TOAD
[01:06:00] ole_schoola: i stopped using Panny commercial plasmas because of that
[01:06:00] ole_schoola: LG/Zenith now
[01:07:00] ole_schoola: excellent rs-232 control as well
[01:07:00] juski: course I could put everything thru my receiver
[01:07:00] juski: that has discrete codes for all its inputs
[01:07:00] ole_schoola: that's an option i'd look at
[01:07:00] juski: then just select AV1 on the TV
[01:08:00] ole_schoola: so you do have something to "anchor" the TV input with?
[01:09:00] juski: yeh
[01:09:00] xris: fyi all: Compusa.com has the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 150 Personal Video Recorder, PCI for a low $59.99 after rebate. Free in store pickup. $20 rebate Exp 2/4/06
[01:10:00] ole_schoola: try "chan-up" "A/V", should switch to tuner, then av1
[01:10:00] juski: only issue with using the amp to switch would be that it's not got RGB inputs, only component.. I _think_ I'd be okay putting RGB on them lines
[01:11:00] juski: it doesn't output svid from component – or vice versa
[01:11:00] ole_schoola: rgb =! YPrPb
[01:11:00] juski: unless I just use svid thoughout of course
[01:11:00] juski: yes I know that
[01:11:00] ole_schoola: you'd need an audio authority or key digital box
[01:11:00] juski: but all the amp does is switch signals
[01:12:00] ole_schoola: yes but RGB from a VGA port is not one of them
[01:12:00] ole_schoola: one the amp can switch
[01:12:00] juski: ahhh but... I've got a working vga-scart adapter I made
[01:13:00] juski: which signal is sync on.. Y ?
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[01:13:00] ole_schoola: Da green one
[01:14:00] juski: erm... on component?
[01:14:00] juski: I'm not familiar with component signals
[01:15:00] ole_schoola: Sync, Chrominence and Luminensce
[01:15:00] ole_schoola: not RGB
[01:15:00] juski: wait a sec.. if all component is just 1v pk-pk, and all the amp does is switch...
[01:15:00] juski: no harm in trying it
[01:16:00] ole_schoola: yeah, but what is your display going to do with RGB signals it cannot understand?
[01:16:00] juski: ole_schoola: vga-scart converter teams up with a proper PAL-i modeline
[01:16:00] juski: and the TV takes straight RGB
[01:17:00] ole_schoola: doh, SCART, i got it
[01:17:00] juski: I think that as long as all the amp's doing is signal routing I'd be ok
[01:17:00] ole_schoola: we don't got does on standard gear
[01:18:00] ole_schoola: only commercal, and then no one has any cables of course
[01:18:00] juski: yeh
[01:18:00] juski: they shoulda stayed with BNCs
[01:18:00] juski: scart connectors have a nasty habit of falling out
[01:18:00] ole_schoola: s-video, HDMI, the list goes on
[01:18:00] juski: hdmi is kind of an improvement
[01:19:00] ole_schoola: your forgetting about the drm wars that go along with it
[01:20:00] juski: yes, but I hope they'll just go away ;-)
[01:20:00] ole_schoola: it may all go away with a 1394-b implementation that has a working group right now
[01:20:00] juski: do the japanese bother with hdcp?
[01:20:00] ole_schoola: dunno
[01:21:00] ole_schoola: hard enough to keep track of this silly BS here in the states
[01:21:00] juski: wouldnt surprise me if it was just an MPAA-style knee-jerk
[01:21:00] ole_schoola: the legislation is potentially scary(ier)
[01:21:00] ole_schoola: although Sen. Sununu's deal wiyth the iPod had me roaring
[01:22:00] juski: jees... hdcp is Intel's baby
[01:26:00] juski: and erm... that's just out of order.. hdcp keys can be revoked! sorry mr & mrs consumer...
[01:26:00] juski: every time I research this I learn something even more shocking... they're evil bastards
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[01:30:00] ole_schoola: the economic model has changed, ad revenue is no longer working the way they want it to regardless of the fact it still generates revenue, so they shift to making content a profit center
[01:33:00] ricochet: anyone who can help me figure out a Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: error? using debian package
[01:35:00] ricochet: it doesnt appear to be the problem noted in the documentation about backend/frontend IP issue that throws this error
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[01:36:00] juski: ricochet: frontend & backend the same versions?
[01:36:00] iggy: restart backend?
[01:36:00] ricochet: juski, its the debian packages, so I assume so
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[01:37:00] ricochet: $ mythfrontend --version
[01:37:00] ricochet: 0.18.1.20050510–1
[01:37:00] ricochet: $ mythbackend --version
[01:37:00] ricochet: 0.18.1.20050510–1
[01:38:00] SqWaw: logbot still work?
[01:39:00] ricochet: SqWaw, I'm not sure what that is... I saw a logging screen in one of these menus.. is that it?
[01:39:00] SqWaw: eh? not for mythtv the app, ...for this channel.
[01:40:00] Kelerion: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/
[01:40:00] SqWaw: ty
[01:40:00] Kelerion: it tells you as you enter the channel
[01:41:00] SqWaw: my client ignores those msgs for some reaso.
[01:41:00] SqWaw: season
[01:41:00] SqWaw: reason* jeez...
[01:41:00] Kelerion: ahh ok
[01:42:00] Kelerion: anyone tried fc5 yet?
[01:42:00] nasa: Hi, quick question. I am setting up lirc — most everything works, except a couple of items. Specifically, I can't get xine to quite.
[01:42:00] Kelerion: I downloaded it.. am trying to make up my mind whether to blitz a machine and try it..
[01:42:00] Kelerion: fc5 test 2..that is
[01:42:00] ricochet: juski, no other ideas?
[01:42:00] juski: ricochet: not really
[01:43:00] juski: my system 'just works (tm)'
[01:43:00] Kelerion: ricochet: try the fixes package.. see if you have any luck with that
[01:43:00] Kelerion: and backup your db first
[01:43:00] nasa: I've tried 'q' 'quit' 'Quit'....
[01:43:00] juski: oh yeh.. what version of mysql are you using, ricochet?
[01:44:00] ricochet: juski, 4.1
[01:44:00] juski: nasa?
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[01:45:00] ricochet: Kelerion: fixes package?
[01:45:00] juski: should be ok with that
[01:45:00] Kelerion: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ : stable 0.18.2 bit
[01:45:00] nasa: yes juski?
[01:45:00] SqWaw: nasa: ctrl+c?
[01:46:00] juski: w to quit out of xine
[01:46:00] juski: I think
[01:46:00] nasa: juski: I will give that a try
[01:47:00] nasa: SqWaw: if what juski suggested doesn't work — I will then try your suggestion...
[01:47:00] juski: woops
[01:47:00] juski: nasa: in my lirc config file...
[01:47:00] juski: config = Quit
[01:47:00] juski: and that works
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[01:48:00] ** nasa is going to try it again.... **
[01:48:00] juski: failing that, start xine from a terminal with xine --keymap to see if it's changed
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[01:52:00] mchou: ok, I need some advice, is $60 a decent price for 512MB Creative Muvo TX FM?
[01:53:00] Kelerion: whats froogle say?
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[01:54:00] Ediehow: what is the current url for mythburn?
[01:57:00] nasa: back... Not only did it not kill xine — xine is now taking 90% of my cpu...
[01:57:00] nasa: mythtv 4754 90.9 4.6 224564 36164 ? SLl 18:53 2:52 xine -pfhq --no-splash dvd://
[01:57:00] mchou: Kelerion: froogle minimum price is arond $90
[01:58:00] Kelerion: sounds good to me then
[02:02:00] SqWaw: Grrr: mythweb is annoying :(
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[02:03:00] ** nasa notes mythweb is next on his todo list... **
[02:05:00] SqWaw: its a pain.
[02:05:00] juski: no it bloody well isn't
[02:05:00] SqWaw: well than
[02:05:00] Kelerion: it took me all of about 45 seconds!
[02:05:00] SqWaw: can i make this error message more verbose?
[02:05:00] Kelerion: all you have to do is read the readme
[02:06:00] juski: granted, the svn version doesn't just untar & be ready to use, but it's not difficult
[02:06:00] SqWaw: Kelerion: thanks, 10 steps ahead of ya.
[02:06:00] juski: SqWaw: post the error message here
[02:06:00] SqWaw: LOL... okay you've asked for it
[02:06:00] Kelerion: pastebn
[02:06:00] SqWaw: Database Setup Error
[02:06:00] SqWaw: The database environment variables are not correctly set in the
[02:06:00] SqWaw: included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included
[02:06:00] SqWaw: in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.
[02:06:00] SqWaw: that one
[02:07:00] juski: have you tried putting your machine's real IP address in instead of localhost?
[02:07:00] ole_schoola: are you browsing from a different machine?
[02:07:00] SqWaw: yes
[02:07:00] SqWaw: and yes
[02:07:00] Ediehow: juski: do you know about mythburn?
[02:08:00] ole_schoola: have you opened up perms withing mysql?
[02:08:00] Kelerion: you have mod_env enabled?
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[02:08:00] juski: mod_env is very important
[02:08:00] Kelerion: yep
[02:09:00] SqWaw: I have it enabled.
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[02:09:00] SqWaw: ole_schoola: I gave mythtv full mysql permission
[02:09:00] ole_schoola: read the end of section 6.2 in Kulagowski's HOWTO
[02:09:00] Kelerion: and it's safe to presume you've set the setevn vars in .htaccess correctly?
[02:09:00] ole_schoola: yes but do you allow all of your internal lan?
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[02:12:00] Kelerion: and you have "AllowOverride" set properly for that directory?
[02:12:00] Kelerion: it's not a mysql error.. otherwise I'm better you'd have a different error
[02:13:00] ** nasa has no luck with xine... keybindings command says 'q', but it won't die. **
[02:13:00] ole_schoola: ps -ax | grep xine
[02:13:00] ole_schoola: get out the hatchet
[02:13:00] kormoc: killall -9 xine
[02:14:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[02:14:00] Ediehow: hikor
[02:14:00] Ediehow: hi kormoc
[02:14:00] kormoc: hihi
[02:14:00] Ediehow: do you know mythburn?
[02:14:00] kormoc: nope
[02:14:00] nasa: Actually ejecting the dvd does the same thing...
[02:14:00] Ediehow: i am wondering if i nuvexport to xvid, can i burn it to a dvd?
[02:14:00] Ediehow: with the .avi it creates?
[02:14:00] ole_schoola: oooh, kneecapping a process, i like that
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[02:16:00] abarbaccia: hey guys – anybody have their pvr150 ir blaster working?
[02:16:00] Ediehow: pvr has an ir?
[02:16:00] Ediehow: oh
[02:16:00] Ediehow: the non-mce one
[02:16:00] abarbaccia: yeah
[02:17:00] abarbaccia: and theres talk about people getting it working with knoppmyth, but i can't seem to get mine working on ubuntu which is odd being they are both debian based
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[02:18:00] Ediehow: hi xris
[02:18:00] Ediehow: do you use mythburn?
[02:18:00] xris: evening
[02:18:00] xris: no
[02:18:00] Ediehow: do you know url for it?
[02:18:00] xris: nope
[02:18:00] Ediehow: xris: if i nuvexport to dvd instead of xvid, is file much bigger?
[02:19:00] UBL: most likely yes
[02:19:00] Ediehow: usama bin laden!
[02:19:00] Ediehow: ;)
[02:19:00] UBL: :)
[02:19:00] Ediehow: xris: but i cannot burn something i export o xvid to dvd?
[02:19:00] Ediehow: to
[02:19:00] ole_schoola: xvid – mpeg4 encoded, dvd requires strict mpeg2
[02:20:00] Ediehow: the .avi is mpeg4?
[02:20:00] ole_schoola: typically
[02:20:00] Ediehow: cute
[02:21:00] nasa: In the readme for mythweb, it refers to "your_mythweb_path" — what is? Something like: " /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/"?
[02:21:00] ole_schoola: now you could transcode .avi/xvid back out to dvd compliantn mpg2, but you wou;dn't want to
[02:22:00] ole_schoola: wherever you copied your mythweb to
[02:22:00] GreyFoxx: It's easier to just buy a DVD player that can play xvid/divx/etc :)
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[02:22:00] ole_schoola: where does your distro expect the apache html root to be?
[02:23:00] nasa: /var/www
[02:23:00] ballistic: Anybody have Debian apt sources for mythtv?
[02:24:00] ballistic: I'm having a hell of a time compiling mythtv from source (link issues under Sarge, and now libavcodec doesn't even begin to build)
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[02:35:00] adante: nasa: yeah.. might want to try and keep the last folder as mythweb, i had trouble using it when it was named differently
[02:36:00] ballistic: FYI, I got the answer from #debian. Apparently, there is a somewhat subversive repostory out there called marillat. Controversial things like MythTV are hosted from there.
[02:37:00] Krazylegz: xris: You around?
[02:38:00] xris: sort of
[02:38:00] xris: repairing a semi-busted fan connector
[02:39:00] ** xris runs out to the garage for the soldering iron **
[02:39:00] Krazylegz: Sorry I missed you last night.
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[02:39:00] GreyFoxx: "contraversial" hehe
[02:39:00] Krazylegz: I got setup on a "date" for dinner, then went out with my ex-roommate, then finally met kormoc at like 12:30.
[02:41:00] nasa: ok, figured out path... but I get a "fatal error at ncludes/init.php, line 54:" what do I need to look for? README didn't mention that...
[02:41:00] nasa: also — mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
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[02:41:00] xris: Krazylegz: I heard it was 1. heh
[02:42:00] Krazylegz: Oh. 1 then.
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[02:42:00] Krazylegz: If kormoc was late this morning, it was my fault. :-)
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[02:43:00] xris: he was, actually.... heh
[02:45:00] SqWaw: Kelerion: AllowOverride is set to all on /
[02:45:00] SqWaw: ole_schoola: yes its allowed on %
[02:46:00] ole_schoola: are you using an alias for the mythweb directory?
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[02:48:00] winga: why does mythbackend crash when i try to go to view my recordings or when i go to the recorded programs page on mythweb?
[02:48:00] winga: i tried running mysqlcheck and that didn't help
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[02:49:00] UBL: winga, look at the log file
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[02:50:00] winga: UBL, it gets stuck in a waiting for thread loop
[02:51:00] UBL: i dont know what that means :(
[02:51:00] winga: after it says that it couldn't load the thumbnails because they didn't exist
[02:51:00] winga: 2006-01–31 18:51:20.951 waiting for a thread..
[02:51:00] winga: 2006-01–31 18:51:20.959 waiting for a thread..
[02:51:00] winga: that repeats forever
[02:52:00] MrNeutron: I recently upgraded ivtv to 0.4.2, and the inputs on my PVR-500 were renamed from "Tuner 0" to "Tuner". When I changed the Input Connections, it didn't delete the "Tuner 0" entries in cardinput. Is it safe to delete the rows in cardinput or should I clear my card settings and start over? Are my recordings and schedules in jeopardy either way? I'm using 0.18.1.
[02:53:00] winga: UBL, what should i do?
[02:54:00] UBL: see what it says before the "waiting for a thread..."
[02:55:00] UBL: MrNeutron, your recordings and schedules should stay
[02:56:00] winga: its the errors about the thumbnails
[02:56:00] MrNeutron: UBL, thanks. I'll just clear the card settings and get a fresh start, to make sure it's all sane.
[02:57:00] Kelerion: MrNeutron: just backup the db first – if all goes pear-shaped.. put it back
[02:57:00] UBL: i dont know where the thumbnails are stored, but can you check that they exist ?
[02:58:00] winga: they don't, mythfrontend can make the backend do it too if i go to the watch recordings menu
[02:58:00] winga: 2006-01–31 18:58:05.020 Could not open /myth/tv/1005_20060130200000_20060130203000.nuv.png. 0 retries remaining.
[02:58:00] winga: 2006-01–31 18:58:25.541 waiting for a thread..
[02:59:00] winga: thats what i get
[03:03:00] UBL: maybe someone else here knows more about your problem with thumbnails
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[03:13:00] abarbaccia: winga, did you check the permissions on the image directory? maybe the user cannot access that direcotry or something?
[03:15:00] coldz: so the MyHD MDP-130 is a mythtv no-no ?
[03:16:00] scottder: http://www.taosecurity.com/images/shmoocon2006_nsm_bejtlich.jpg
[03:16:00] scottder: damn Richard needs to shave
[03:16:00] scottder: :)
[03:19:00] scottder: woops wrong channel :)
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[03:25:00] ballistic: Question about audio quality. I'm connecting my satellite receiver RCA audio out to my line in on my sound card. Whenever someone says 's', it sounds distorted.
[03:25:00] ballistic: Any audio guru's here who can suggest how to diagnose this problem and/or fix it?
[03:26:00] ole_schoola: stop watching the gay porn channels
[03:26:00] ** ole_schoola ducks and runs **
[03:27:00] UBL: try different bitrate for sound?
[03:27:00] ole_schoola: sorry ballistic, i'm going nuts trying to compile dvb into myth
[03:27:00] ole_schoola: bitrate might be mucked
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[03:28:00] ballistic: The problem is there even when I am not recording
[03:28:00] ballistic: i.e., line in play-through
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[03:29:00] ballistic: All the rest of the audio is okay, exept when someone says something like ``succinct''.
[03:30:00] UBL: turn down the input audio
[03:31:00] UBL: i dont know the technical term, but you do it in like alsamixer and stuff
[03:31:00] UBL: the audio gain?
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[03:38:00] khadafi: can someone tell me if the MyHD MDP-130 compatible with mythtv?
[03:41:00] ole_schoola: check against the lists of good HW, look ar linuxtv.org
[03:42:00] scottder: I just put a video file on my mythtv....is there any way to get it to check fore new stuf at regular intervals?
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: MythVideo ?
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: You could just set it to let you browse the directory structure, without having to run video manager at all
[03:43:00] scottder: Yeah
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: I never run video manager
[03:44:00] khadafi: lawd.. people never give a straight answer
[03:45:00] scottder: Nope :_
[03:45:00] scottder: :)
[03:45:00] khadafi: like is this the linuxtv.org chan or the mythtv chan
[03:45:00] khadafi: *sigh*
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: Get over it
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: not everyone knows everything about every piece or hardware or the current state of their drivers
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: and like it or not if everyone just said "no idea"
[03:45:00] GreyFoxx: half of the users would just give up and go home
[03:46:00] GreyFoxx: but telling them to check hardware lists keeps them going
[03:46:00] Kelerion: check out the myhd driver status
[03:46:00] Kelerion: http://myhd.sourceforge.net/index.php
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[03:46:00] UBL: if i said yes would you be happy?
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[03:48:00] khadafi: thank you Kelerion for the link
[03:48:00] ole_schoola: i been bangin away for hours trying to compile dvb to no avail
[03:48:00] ole_schoola: read more, make clean, try again
[03:49:00] ole_schoola: eventually i'll discover what numbnutz thing i been doing wrong
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[03:59:00] rtsai: i am such an idiot
[03:59:00] rtsai: Trying to get my second tuner card working, wondering why not.
[03:59:00] rtsai: "The First Law of Computing: Make sure it's plugged in."
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[04:00:00] rtsai: there goes 30 minutes down the drain
[04:00:00] scottder: rtsai: that happened with me on my audio card
[04:00:00] nasa: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html tell what steps I have take to get mythweb working
[04:00:00] scottder: had the speakers plugged into the wrong port
[04:00:00] rtsai: my antenna wasn't plugged in to the tuner card
[04:00:00] nasa: But I still get "Can't connect to the database server." what may I be missing?
[04:03:00] UBL: 2nd rule is make sure cord is not cut :), i wasted a day with that
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[04:06:00] nanoITX: Oh gee, I never changed my nick.
[04:06:00] nanoITX: to show I was out
[04:06:00] nanoITX: I suppose I should have just quite
[04:06:00] nanoITX: er, quit
[04:07:00] UBL: isnt that what /away is for ?
[04:07:00] nanoITX: been a long time since I used raw IRC
[04:07:00] ** nanoITX forgot **
[04:08:00] ** nanoITX gets senile in his old age **
[04:09:00] ** nanoITX remembers when a 10 Mb disk drive weighed 300 lbs., was the size of a small beer fridge, dimmed the lights when it spun up, and cost US$14,000 (Ah, the CDC Hawk). **
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[04:12:00] nanoITX: Lesse 10 MB (not Mb) = 80 Mb = what, 4 seconds of HD video?
[04:13:00] nanoITX: me crosses his fingers and compiles mythplugins, hoping for mythdvd to compile clean.
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[04:14:00] scottder: darn I wish there was a command line way to update the Video Manager....
[04:18:00] nanoITX: nope. mythdvd still does not compile :-(
[04:18:00] nanoITX: That damn missing QEXPORT macro isn't defined anywhere, and it should be for the platform when qt is installed.
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: Why?
[04:21:00] GreyFoxx: just to push in imdb data ?
[04:21:00] nanoITX: Oh, wait... still compiling against old QTDIR.
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[04:23:00] thaJeepJerk: I can't decide what to write
[04:24:00] thaJeepJerk: I really want a new mythweb music... but I really want a streaming engine for myth
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[04:27:00] ** nasa knows someone has seen the mysql error/warning with mythweb.... **
[04:27:00] kormoc: nasa, did you edit the .htaccess like you should have?
[04:28:00] ** GreyFoxx ponders playing with the DVD Menu patch for the internal player **
[04:29:00] nasa: kormoc: I followed instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html , if that's what you mean...
[04:29:00] kormoc: nasa, read the mythweb readme
[04:29:00] kormoc: things have changed from when that was written
[04:29:00] ole_schoola: kormac: and crack open the new .htaccess file
[04:30:00] ole_schoola: the light bulb is about to go on, wait for it ...
[04:30:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: so you have the default user/pass db name?
[04:30:00] ole_schoola: i meant nasa:
[04:32:00] nasa: I am reading the readme right now
[04:32:00] ** nasa reads slow... **
[04:32:00] flindet: everytime I try to do a yum upgrade I'm missing a bunch of keys
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[04:32:00] ole_schoola: lotsa new things to digest
[04:32:00] flindet: how do I find what keys I need?
[04:32:00] thaJeepJerk: what file was the mythprotocol in?
[04:33:00] kormoc: flindet, the keys.txt?
[04:33:00] flindet: keys.txt will tell me what's missing?
[04:34:00] ole_schoola: no, the pki store for repo keys
[04:34:00] kormoc: it's the current list of keys
[04:34:00] nanoITX: Oh yeah! I got a clean mythdvd build! me's da ubergeek, er, um,... hmm.
[04:34:00] flindet: oh, sweet
[04:34:00] flindet: where does one find keys.txt?
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: directhex|work: The version definition?
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: thaJeepJerk: The version definition?
[04:35:00] GreyFoxx: include/mythbackend.php I believe
[04:35:00] thaJeepJerk: GreyFoxx: command list/interpreter
[04:35:00] nasa: theJeepJerk: I set the according to the website.... (have to start somewhere)
[04:35:00] kormoc: flindet, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . txt?rev=8806
[04:35:00] nanoITX: Bah! Busted again.
[04:36:00] flindet: thanks
[04:36:00] kormoc: flindet, is the current one. it's always gonna be under browse source
[04:36:00] GreyFoxx: thaJeepJerk: Ahh, I've never looked that deeply into the mythweb source other than for where the PROTOCOL version was defined
[04:36:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, the what?
[04:37:00] nasa: And a light bulb is only useful if one can see.... And you have to wonder about that with nasa sometimes...
[04:37:00] flindet: i don't think this is the right keys.txt
[04:37:00] flindet: this looks like a keyboard mapping
[04:37:00] kormoc: nasa, least it's not rocket science.
[04:37:00] kormoc: flindet, as opposed to?
[04:37:00] flindet: the key for packages
[04:37:00] ole_schoola: kormoc: gpg keys for repo bases
[04:37:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: I remember seeing a file once that parsed the mythprotocol commands, just odn't remember where it is
[04:37:00] flindet: everytime I try to do a yum upgrade, it can't find keys
[04:37:00] kormoc: ooh! oops
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[04:38:00] flindet: i'm having some nasty problems with my myth
[04:38:00] ole_schoola: you on FC?
[04:38:00] flindet: I think one of my cards fried
[04:38:00] flindet: but before I rip it apart, I wanted to get the latest updates and make sure everything was cool
[04:38:00] flindet: fc4
[04:38:00] ole_schoola: well a yum upgrade isn't going to further diagnose THAT
[04:38:00] flindet: yes, but a yum upgrade is having problems with keys
[04:38:00] flindet: and I'm pretty behind
[04:38:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: can you connect to the mythconverg from the mysql client?
[04:38:00] flindet: I want to make sure it's not a driver problem
[04:39:00] ole_schoola: your yum.repos files hold key or point to your pki store
[04:39:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, perhaps the mythbackend.php file in includes?
[04:39:00] flindet: but if I'm missing keys, how do I find where to obtain them?
[04:39:00] ole_schoola: yum.repos.d/xxxx.repo files
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[04:39:00] flindet: I don't know how to determine where a particular package comes from, and then where to find the authors key
[04:39:00] thaJeepJerk: oh, I was talking on the server side of thing's (C++)
[04:39:00] nasa: theJeepJerk: my knowledge of mysql is really little
[04:39:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, ahh, oops
[04:39:00] ole_schoola: rpm --import html://whatever.it.is.to/your/repo
[04:40:00] thaJeepJerk: "mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[04:40:00] thaJeepJerk: "
[04:40:00] flindet: ole_schoola: I still don't think I'm making myself clear
[04:40:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: that should connect you to the db if its set up right
[04:40:00] flindet: I don't know how to find the key to import
[04:40:00] flindet: I just did the atrpms-kickstart long ago
[04:40:00] nasa: although I can do "mysql -u root mythconverg" with no problem
[04:40:00] flindet: but now it's having problems with keys
[04:41:00] flindet: okay, I see some keys on atrpms website
[04:41:00] ole_schoola: see what version your fedora-release is at
[04:41:00] nasa: theJeepJerk: it does
[04:41:00] flindet: let me try reinstalling those
[04:41:00] flindet: maybe that will pick up some new keys
[04:41:00] flindet: ole_schoola: i'm on fc4
[04:41:00] ole_schoola: that's a start
[04:42:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: whats the error message?
[04:42:00] ole_schoola: you may or may not have picked up freshrpms as well
[04:42:00] nasa: I get a warning followed by a fatal error — which do you want to see
[04:43:00] ole_schoola: spend a good long time browsing through /etc/yum.repos.d/* to get more insight what happens with yum
[04:43:00] thaJeepJerk: put the whole thing on pastebin
[04:43:00] thaJeepJerk: http://pastebin.ca/
[04:43:00] nasa: http://pastebin.com/533299
[04:44:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: you wrote this, right?
[04:45:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, huh?
[04:45:00] kormoc: I helped write the database class, aye, but not much else
[04:45:00] ole_schoola: nasa: did you cp the new mythweb files right over the old ones?
[04:45:00] kormoc: I have plans of things to add
[04:46:00] kormoc: but alas, I don't do pretty layouts very well
[04:46:00] nasa: ole_schoola: I installed this via rpms (I am running mandriva)
[04:46:00] ole_schoola: ah
[04:46:00] ole_schoola: don't know mandriva/pkgs to follow this line of thought
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[04:47:00] Netslayer: i'm reading up here before installing my hd3000 card: You can only load either the DVB or Video 4 Linux drivers, but not both
[04:47:00] Netslayer: wtf is with that?
[04:47:00] ole_schoola: did you have to manually cp the mythweb directory to your htdocs root?
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[04:48:00] Netslayer: so the card itself that can be used as a bttv card and a dvb card can't do both
[04:48:00] nasa: there isn't a htdocs root directory... Took awhile to see how the packages were laid out.
[04:48:00] defaultro: hey guys, is there any feature in mythtv that will allow us to prevent the program from being deleted? Something like an option which gets disabled when the program is highlighted
[04:48:00] nasa: they used html instead of htdocs
[04:49:00] ole_schoola: no matter, did you have to cp the mythweb dir to there?
[04:49:00] ole_schoola: or did the pkg installer drop it in p[lace?
[04:49:00] nasa: no, it was already there (actually it's /var/www/html/mythweb/mythweb/
[04:50:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: do you have the apache config set to allow overrides on the mythweb folder?
[04:51:00] ole_schoola: hell, just set AllowOverides globaly until it gets straigthened out
[04:51:00] nasa: thaJeepJerk: yes (after reading the readme)
[04:51:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: and you reset the apache server after that? :)
[04:51:00] defaultro: any users of pre .19?
[04:51:00] ole_schoola: yep
[04:52:00] _rjune: .18 is pre .19, so lots of us
[04:52:00] ole_schoola: you know what he meant
[04:52:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: I was just trying to figure out who could be printing the error message about mysql_connect() that nasa is getting
[04:52:00] nasa: I ran /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart
[04:52:00] ** nasa may just reboot box... **
[04:52:00] ole_schoola: restart of dawmon is fine
[04:52:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: what you did should be enough
[04:53:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, he's using a older version then the svn one
[04:53:00] nanoITX: damn... my qt headers are STILL whacked
[04:53:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: what version are you using?
[04:53:00] nasa: 18.1
[04:53:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: That makes me feel a little better
[04:53:00] defaultro: sorry guys, i meant the trunk :)
[04:53:00] nanoITX: why isn't Q_EXPORT defined as empty under linux (or to support -fvisibility under gcc_
[04:54:00] defaultro: hey kormoc
[04:54:00] ole_schoola: defaultro: yes
[04:54:00] kormoc: hihi
[04:55:00] defaultro: i read somewhere but i might be wrong that in livetv, you can actually make it a recording
[04:55:00] nasa: oh well, guess I will have to put this off till tomorrow — got to get some sleep before work.
[04:55:00] thaJeepJerk: nasa: if you you're config/conf.php looks right I don't think I can help you, don't have the right code in front of me
[04:55:00] ole_schoola: it IS a recording, no more ringbuffer
[04:55:00] nasa: thaJeepJerk: that's cool. I appreciate the effort
[04:56:00] defaultro: and also, the new feature when changing channels, you don't have to press Y anymore. How do we do that?
[04:56:00] defaultro: ole_schoola, i mean, when we exit, the file gets deleted
[04:56:00] nasa: Thanks guys, hopefully I can catch you all tomorrow.
[04:56:00] kormoc: defaultro, not in svn / .19
[04:56:00] ole_schoola: don't know, can't get dvb compiled into myth :(
[04:56:00] nasa: night
[04:56:00] defaultro: kormoc, how?
[04:56:00] kormoc: night nasa
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[04:56:00] ole_schoola: night
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[04:56:00] thaJeepJerk: later nasa
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[04:56:00] kormoc: defaultro, in svn / .19, all live tv gets recorded as normal recordings
[04:57:00] defaultro: how do you keep it?
[04:57:00] kormoc: it does automatically
[04:57:00] ole_schoola: nope, not deleted, just at the head of the auto-expire list
[04:57:00] defaultro: oh cool
[04:57:00] ole_schoola: and auto-expire is enabled by default now
[04:57:00] defaultro: so how do we watch it again in case we exited
[04:57:00] ole_schoola: it is in a hidden program group i beleive
[04:57:00] kormoc: ole_schoola, doesn't have to be hidden
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: haven't mucked about yet
[04:58:00] kormoc: there's a setting to unhide them
[04:58:00] kormoc: and they'll show up with normal recordings
[04:58:00] defaultro: cool
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: lotsa ppl complained "my precious free space!"
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: they just didn't get it
[04:59:00] ** nanoITX tries building qt YET AGAIN! **
[04:59:00] nanoITX: grrr
[04:59:00] ** thaJeepJerk remembers how nanoITX feels **
[04:59:00] mchou: nanoITX: why is there a need to build qt?
[05:00:00] ole_schoola: i'll swap your QT problem for my dvb-path header problem
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[05:00:00] nanoITX: mchou: the stock QT in FC3 doesn't work when compile mythdvd
[05:00:00] mchou: nanoITX: aren't you using a precompiled distro?
[05:00:00] mchou: nanoITX: huh, weird
[05:00:00] nanoITX: yeah, except when I can't And then I prefer to build
[05:00:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[05:00:00] mchou: hi defaultro
[05:00:00] nanoITX: mythdvd breaks on qtimer.h not having Q_EXPORT defined.
[05:01:00] mchou: nanoITX: ahh, ok
[05:01:00] nanoITX: I know what that's for, but it should be defined empty under Linux
[05:01:00] defaultro: i'm working with mike(fusion card writer) about analog tuning issue
[05:01:00] mchou: defaultro: what analog tuning issue?
[05:01:00] nanoITX: mchou: so I tried building qt from scratch, and installing, but it's still busted.
[05:01:00] mchou: nanoITX: doesn't surprise me
[05:01:00] nanoITX: then I found ./configure -platform for qt.... you'd THINK qt would actually use configure for what it was intended
[05:02:00] mchou: nanoITX: haha
[05:02:00] nanoITX: but NOOOOOOOO!
[05:02:00] nanoITX: I did get 1080i out of the nanoitx though
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[05:02:00] nanoITX: well, actually 1080p, but only 16bpp
[05:02:00] defaultro: when it first tune, i just get a frame that keeps on swapping. Like a video jockey playing with a fastforward rewind scene
[05:02:00] mchou: defaultro: do you actually use the analog tuner on the fusion?
[05:03:00] defaultro: yes i do
[05:03:00] defaultro: so I can record UFC
[05:03:00] mchou: defaultro: that's a sw encoder, no?
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[05:03:00] mchou: UFC??
[05:03:00] defaultro: ultimate fight
[05:03:00] defaultro: :D
[05:03:00] mchou: lol
[05:03:00] defaultro: in SpikeTV
[05:04:00] mchou: defaultro: you got too much time on your hands
[05:04:00] defaultro: trust me, no
[05:04:00] defaultro: i just don't have enough sleep
[05:04:00] defaultro: :D
[05:04:00] defaultro: 4 hours a day
[05:04:00] mchou: it's all a matter of priorities
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[05:05:00] mchou: sleep, food sex, $, not necessarily in that order
[05:05:00] defaultro: sex is random
[05:05:00] defaultro: :D
[05:05:00] defaultro: whenever i feel hot
[05:05:00] defaultro: LOL
[05:05:00] thaJeepJerk: you have food sex too?
[05:05:00] mchou: for me that's all the time :)
[05:05:00] defaultro: cool
[05:06:00] thaJeepJerk: ppl told me I was the only one
[05:06:00] mchou: thaJeepJerk: that's what your wife/gf said?
[05:06:00] mchou: lol :)
[05:06:00] thaJeepJerk: ouch
[05:06:00] thaJeepJerk: found it, mainserver.cpp
[05:08:00] mchou: bought a creative muvo tx fm for $60 today, pretty cool toy.
[05:08:00] mchou: not bad for $60.
[05:08:00] Krazylegz: How much space on it?
[05:08:00] mchou: 512Mb
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[05:09:00] mchou: could use more, but 8hrs isn't too bad
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[05:09:00] mchou: MB*, sorry
[05:09:00] mchou: Mb would have sucked :)
[05:10:00] BloodHaw1: I've got a problem with 720/1080 HD running slowly with the SVN. It looks like my CPU is only at 18% usage though? (AMD 64 3200+)
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[05:11:00] superm1: hi everyone, i have been running into some annoying IOBOUND problems lately, and have pulled my hair out recently trying to determine the cause:
[05:11:00] superm1: 2006-01–31 22:39:24.248 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end
[05:11:00] superm1: 2006-01–31 22:39:24.299 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(1983)
[05:11:00] superm1: My logs will fill up with hundreds and eventually thousands of these.
[05:11:00] superm1: At first they only seemed to happy with live tv. Then they seemed to only happen with my Air2PC tuner. Then they seemed to only happen with my PVR-250.... you get the drift, sorta spratic on what is triggering them.
[05:11:00] superm1: Throughout the list, I found various solutions that have all helped at least for a limited period of time. Chaning IO scheduler to CFQ, changing ThreadFileWritter to 8 or 32 MB instead of 2MB, moving tuners out, disabling un-necessary IRQs (USB for a backend only box), checking to make sure tuners dont start sharing IRQs.
[05:11:00] mchou: the creative nano would have cost $40 more....
[05:11:00] superm1: I am about to wreak my hair out now, I am thinking that it might be one of the drives in my LVM2 setup that is starting to whine at me (or i'm just being facetious and looking for a solution in the wrong place.)
[05:11:00] superm1: I ran hdparm -tT on each drive (hda,hdb, hde,hdf,hdg), and they were all about the same speeds. I have two desk fans pointed at the case to make sure it is staying cool. Can someone provide me with any other ideas – or a good way to diagnose this LVM setup?
[05:11:00] mchou: for the same capacity.
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[05:12:00] thaJeepJerk: What is PlaybackSock for?
[05:12:00] mchou: I must be missing something cause I can't really see the differnce in features between the Muvo and the nano plus to justify the $40
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[05:14:00] mchou: superm1: I dunno, use the source?
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[05:14:00] triplep: anyone running 64bit myth?
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[05:14:00] mchou: superm1: somehow I doubt if it really is a performance problem......
[05:14:00] superm1: why is that?
[05:14:00] mchou: superm1: if hdparm -tT gave you the same speeds
[05:15:00] mchou: superm1: you should see what ide mode is being used though.....
[05:15:00] superm1: they're all in DMA with 32 bit IO
[05:15:00] superm1: i made sure of that
[05:15:00] mchou: superm1: that's not what I meant
[05:16:00] superm1: which DMA mode you mean? like udma0,1,2,3,4,5?
[05:16:00] mchou: superm1: yup
[05:17:00] mchou: superm1: I'm more inclined to believe it's a myth setup issue myself, but that's just a swag
[05:18:00] superm1: well i would start to agree with you, but i have had this machine up and running for about a year now
[05:18:00] superm1: and just started to have this crop up on me the last month
[05:18:00] superm1: which made me think bad myth, and i jumped up to a later svn
[05:18:00] superm1: mythtv@mythweb /mnt/exports/epoxdomination $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda | grep DMA
[05:18:00] superm1: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[05:18:00] superm1: * READ/WRITE DMA QUEUED
[05:18:00] superm1: mythtv@mythweb /mnt/exports/epoxdomination $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hdb | grep DMA
[05:18:00] superm1: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[05:18:00] superm1: * READ/WRITE DMA QUEUED
[05:18:00] superm1: mythtv@mythweb /mnt/exports/epoxdomination $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hde | grep DMA
[05:18:00] superm1: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6
[05:18:00] superm1: mythtv@mythweb /mnt/exports/epoxdomination $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hdg | grep DMA
[05:18:00] superm1: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[05:18:00] superm1: * READ/WRITE DMA QUEUED
[05:18:00] superm1: mythtv@mythweb /mnt/exports/epoxdomination $ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hdh | grep DMA
[05:18:00] superm1: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[05:18:00] superm1: * READ/WRITE DMA QUEUED
[05:18:00] mchou: if you really think a disk is going bad on ya you can check smart statistics.....
[05:18:00] superm1: they're all dma5 and one dma6
[05:19:00] defaultro: superm1, stop it
[05:19:00] mchou: superm1: stop spamming, dude
[05:19:00] superm1: sorry, i didnt really know an easier way to put it all in
[05:19:00] superm1: how can i check smart stats?
[05:19:00] triplep: pastebin.ca, then you can paste the link
[05:19:00] superm1: okay will use that from now on – my apologies to all in the room
[05:19:00] mchou: how about this way? "[21:18:53] <superm1> they're all dma5 and one dma6"
[05:20:00] defaultro: sperm, don't do that next time
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[05:20:00] defaultro: you can use pastebin.com
[05:20:00] mchou: instead of the silly spamming that we've all had to endure
[05:20:00] defaultro: you are lucky, you didn't get kicked out
[05:20:00] ** alpha255 gets spam all the time **
[05:20:00] alpha255: not much fun
[05:20:00] defaultro: i found something about spam that really works
[05:20:00] defaultro: i mean preventing spam
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[05:21:00] defaultro: on emails
[05:21:00] alpha255: tmda
[05:21:00] defaultro: nope
[05:21:00] defaultro: i've tried that and it works but
[05:21:00] defaultro: what i have noticed is that when you receive spam, we delete it right
[05:21:00] mchou: tmda is a pita
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[05:22:00] alpha255: yes
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[05:24:00] mchou: I use my own hacked version of the gnu mailfilter that works wonders......
[05:24:00] alpha255: humm gnu mailfilter?
[05:24:00] alpha255: never heard of it
[05:24:00] fryfrog: i've starting signing up with shit using "fryfrog+somethingabouttheirshithere@gmail.com "
[05:24:00] alpha255: i'll look into it
[05:24:00] fryfrog: so i can figureo ut where its coming from
[05:25:00] mchou: alpha255: lol, that's cause it's ancient......
[05:25:00] defaultro: what i have done in the pass is leave it in my inbox
[05:25:00] defaultro: if those spams have Content-Disposition in header and it gets deleted, it will notify the sender that your address is active
[05:25:00] defaultro: so i noticed for 2 months that i didn't have any spams
[05:25:00] defaultro: as opposed to the time i have been deleting and deleting
[05:25:00] defaultro: it's just annoying that it confuses our eyes when scrolling
[05:25:00] defaultro: kormoc, did you find that setting to unhide livetv recorded shows?
[05:25:00] kormoc: defaultro, it's in the frontend settings somewhere
[05:25:00] defaultro: any string that might trigger me
[05:25:00] alpha255: 30yrs old?
[05:25:00] mchou: alpha255: http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/
[05:25:00] fryfrog: btw, how is the feature freeze going?
[05:26:00] defaultro: fryfrog, glad you mentioned about gmail. Why do people rave about gmail? What do they have?
[05:26:00] mchou: alpha255: works great with my crappy comcast spam box
[05:26:00] defaultro: what works great mchou?
[05:26:00] defaultro: ah, the mailfilter :)
[05:26:00] alpha255: looks pretty interesting
[05:26:00] fryfrog: defaultro: i like gmail cause its simple, intuitive and does a great job at catching spam
[05:26:00] alpha255: thx
[05:27:00] defaultro: Don't you like Spam Assasin?
[05:27:00] alpha255: :)
[05:27:00] mchou: my comcast mailbox is a spam magnet
[05:27:00] fryfrog: if i could have a web-gui for my own mail that was like gmail, i'd switch back to my own domain :)
[05:27:00] mchou: defaultro: spam assassin is an overkill, and you still waste bandwidth
[05:27:00] defaultro: ok
[05:28:00] defaultro: this is what I currently have, http://flakshack.com/anti-spam/wiki/index.php . . . AntiSpamWiki
[05:28:00] kormoc: defaultro, sorry, donno what it was
[05:28:00] defaultro: np
[05:28:00] fryfrog: I prolly get 10–20 spam / day, but gmail only misses about 1 every week
[05:28:00] mchou: mailfilter only d/l headers, and can perform any action based on any header criteria
[05:28:00] thaJeepJerk: anyone here know how the backend starts the transfer to the frontend when you ask for a recording to play?
[05:28:00] fryfrog: hotmail wasn't TOO bad, but that was cause I had it set to put it in spam folder if they were not in my address book
[05:28:00] defaultro: mchou, i can do that in Postfix's header checks
[05:28:00] ** alpha255 likes postfix **
[05:29:00] alpha255: and exim
[05:29:00] mchou: if I exlude html that discards 90% of my spam right there....
[05:29:00] mchou: exclude*
[05:30:00] fryfrog: 90% of spam and 99% of emails sent from non-technical family ;)
[05:30:00] mchou: for ppl not running their own mail servers mailfilter works great
[05:30:00] defaultro: i actually haven't been touching my setup for almost 2 yrs now. I know it's very behind. Is ORBS still useful this days?
[05:30:00] alpha255: i use it
[05:30:00] defaultro: k
[05:30:00] superm1: mchou: thanks for the smart tip – i just checked smart on all the drives and one of them failed
[05:31:00] mchou: my hacked version of mailfilter checks against RBL like spamhaus, etc.
[05:31:00] defaultro: glad i saw that term, drives. Is PromiseCard a good card for setting up RAID?
[05:31:00] defaultro: cool mchou
[05:31:00] mchou: superm1: better migrate data off that drive asap.
[05:31:00] defaultro: i like RBLs too
[05:31:00] mchou: preferably w/o rebooting
[05:32:00] superm1: well the way LVM does this, how am i gonna know which data is on that particular drive?
[05:32:00] mchou: LVM howto.
[05:32:00] superm1: mkay
[05:32:00] mchou: simple
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[05:32:00] defaultro: am pretty happy with my LVM mchou
[05:33:00] defaultro: am running XFS on top of it
[05:33:00] mchou: yeah, that's the best way
[05:33:00] defaultro: but is there other fs that's faster that XFS and can hold huge file
[05:33:00] fryfrog: defaultro: unless you get a real hardware raid card (3ware, etc) its not gonna make much difference as long as there are linux drivers
[05:33:00] mchou: I dont understand why ppl want to use jfs
[05:33:00] defaultro: ok
[05:33:00] fryfrog: defaultro: i don't think there is anything faster than xfs and jfs, both are very close
[05:33:00] defaultro: iirc, raid 5 is slower than raid2
[05:34:00] fryfrog: er, raid2?
[05:34:00] defaultro: yep
[05:34:00] fryfrog: whats taht?
[05:34:00] defaultro: just striping without parity
[05:34:00] fryfrog: thats raid0?
[05:34:00] defaultro: oh
[05:34:00] defaultro: i'm already behind
[05:34:00] defaultro: i got to study
[05:34:00] fryfrog: i'm sure raid2 exists :)
[05:34:00] defaultro: i think its mirroing
[05:34:00] fryfrog: but the "real" ones are 0,1 and 5
[05:34:00] alpha255: is reiser good?
[05:35:00] fryfrog: many FS are good for certain situations
[05:35:00] defaultro: reiser is ok but not good for big files
[05:35:00] mchou: reiser sucks big time
[05:35:00] fryfrog: reiser makes a good fs for lots of little files
[05:35:00] ** alpha255 likes the 3ware stuff **
[05:35:00] mchou: fscking UNRELIABLE
[05:35:00] defaultro: how much do those 3ware cost?
[05:35:00] alpha255: lots
[05:35:00] fryfrog: $300–500
[05:35:00] defaultro: not too bad
[05:35:00] defaultro: so running XFS on 3ware
[05:35:00] defaultro: right?
[05:35:00] fryfrog: I use reiserfs for my /usr/portage dir and its very nice
[05:35:00] alpha255: weirdstuff had some a while bck for cheap
[05:36:00] triplep: i'm guessing 2 is raid10
[05:36:00] fryfrog: but i used reiser on a HUGE 800G partition and it died the very first time i had a power outage
[05:36:00] defaultro: or do we still use XFS+LVM combo on the 3ware?
[05:36:00] fryfrog: so i don't use reiser for anything i care about :)
[05:36:00] fryfrog: defaultro: you can use what ever you want :)
[05:36:00] defaultro: for performance, what's your recomendation?
[05:36:00] fryfrog: I run linux kernel software raid5 w/o lvm
[05:37:00] fryfrog: for performance for *what*?
[05:37:00] defaultro: sw raid5?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: a production db/webserver backend?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: or myth?
[05:37:00] triplep: fryform : me as well
[05:37:00] defaultro: withour the hardware card?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: yeah, for $300 i can buy 2 more 300G hds
[05:37:00] defaultro: or sw raid5 using 3ware card?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: no, no raidcard at all
[05:37:00] defaultro: so just regular IDEs?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: i have a motherboard with 8x sata ports (4x from nforce, 4x from sil)
[05:37:00] defaultro: or SATA?
[05:37:00] fryfrog: sata, but yeah just regular ide
[05:38:00] kormoc: defaultro, 3ware is a hardware controler, it would be rather stupid to use it as a regular ide controler
[05:38:00] defaultro: bam
[05:38:00] defaultro: so you are using those SATA ports then sw raid5 on linux
[05:38:00] defaultro: is there a huge performance difference between SATA HDDs and regular IDE drives?
[05:38:00] alpha255: doesn't the 3ware cards have some cache memory on them too?
[05:38:00] fryfrog: no, but the cables are much smaller :)
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[05:39:00] alpha255: dont'
[05:39:00] kormoc: defaultro, depends on the drives
[05:39:00] fryfrog: yar, usually 128mb of cache
[05:39:00] alpha255: don't
[05:39:00] FunkyELF: anyone here run ubuntu?
[05:39:00] ** alpha255 can't tpe **
[05:39:00] alpha255: ;)
[05:39:00] alpha255: i like it
[05:39:00] kormoc: defaultro, mine usually get 40 megs per second on pata, and 60 megs per second on sata
[05:39:00] alpha255: got it installed on laptop
[05:39:00] FunkyELF: I just set up kubuntu thinking I could use it as a front end. I can't find any MythTV package in ubuntu.
[05:39:00] alpha255: dv1000 hp
[05:39:00] defaultro: kormoc, i don't mine is not SATA. Is it called PATA?
[05:39:00] defaultro: oops
[05:39:00] defaultro: kormoc, i know, mine is not SATA. Is it called PATA?
[05:40:00] fryfrog: you *could* have a faster PATA than SATA, but in general its SATA only cause they tend to be newer
[05:40:00] kormoc: defaultro, yes, Pata is Parallel Ata, Sata is Serial Ata
[05:40:00] defaultro: PATA is the IDE then right?
[05:40:00] alpha255: pata plain ata or pre sata or parallel right?
[05:40:00] mchou: FunkyELF: bah, kubuntu aint ready for prime time
[05:40:00] defaultro: I'm used to IDE term
[05:40:00] alpha255: ;)
[05:40:00] fryfrog: with all things, your goal and price ideals are what you need to consider
[05:40:00] superm1: FunkyELF, check out the ubuntu forums. there are several good howtos there to go about myth in ubuntu i believe
[05:40:00] defaultro: SATA are expensive too
[05:40:00] FunkyELF: mchou: ubuntu or kubuntu or both?
[05:40:00] fryfrog: sata is usually only $1–5 of the price
[05:40:00] alpha255: i've seent he sata drives for pretty cheap
[05:41:00] mchou: FunkyELF: kubunty especially
[05:41:00] alpha255: 10 buck more for same size
[05:41:00] defaultro: i still have 2 SATA slots that I haven't used. Can I use it even if I'm already using the IDE?
[05:41:00] mchou: but ubuntu wasn't that great imho either
[05:41:00] alpha255: i'd think so
[05:41:00] fryfrog: defaultro: sometimes, sometimes not. depends on motherboard
[05:41:00] defaultro: ok
[05:41:00] alpha255: kinda like ata 33 and ata 66 controllers
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[05:42:00] FunkyELF: mchou: what do you use?
[05:42:00] alpha255: like on the old bp6 dual cpu motherboard
[05:42:00] FunkyELF: hey Beirdo
[05:42:00] alpha255: although fryfrog does have a good point
[05:42:00] alpha255: about the biso
[05:42:00] alpha255: bios
[05:42:00] defaultro: brb, I just installed the newest v4l driver. Am gonna check the analog tuning on Fusion HDTV Lite card.
[05:42:00] mchou: FunkyELF: I'm using mandriva myself.....but that's just old habit
[05:42:00] fryfrog: <3 Abit BP6!
[05:42:00] fryfrog: i still have that board in my closet somewhere :0
[05:43:00] alpha255: great board
[05:43:00] mchou: FunkyELF: kubuntu crashes left and right when I tried livecd
[05:43:00] fryfrog: it was what made me love dual cpu :)
[05:43:00] mchou: on the same system I run mandriva with kde.....
[05:43:00] superm1: FunkyELF: ubuntu is great if you dont want to overall want to mess around with configuring things all the time, if your new to linux its a good start. Just make sure you update after you installed, there was some showstopper bug on the breezy disks
[05:44:00] FunkyELF: mchou: that was my experience too....I tried the live CD a couple of months ago and it didn't work
[05:44:00] mchou: FunkyELF: so why you wanna use kubuntu?
[05:44:00] mchou: :)
[05:44:00] FunkyELF: superm1: I have a gentoo box set up by my TV and my other server is a gentoo box. I just wanted to get something up and running quick as a front end
[05:44:00] fryfrog: defaultro: btw, hardware raid5 w/ 5x 320G drives using linux kernel software raid only uses about 1–2% system cpu while doing large file transactions
[05:45:00] alpha255: Maxtor 100GB Serial ATA Internal Hard Drive for $30
[05:45:00] alpha255: dealmac
[05:45:00] alpha255: that's pretty good
[05:45:00] mchou: alpha255: bah, maxtor craptor
[05:45:00] alpha255: they work for me
[05:45:00] alpha255: consumer drive
[05:45:00] mchou: alpha255: until they stop working :)
[05:45:00] alpha255: nothing high perf
[05:46:00] alpha255: thats what smartd is for
[05:46:00] alpha255: gotta keep the drive cool though
[05:46:00] superm1: FunkyELF: I use ubuntu dapper on my laptop personally and gentoo on all other boxes. The easiest way for me to get a frontend quick and up on my laptop was to just get all the build deps and build from source
[05:46:00] alpha255: a good fan does wonders
[05:46:00] fryfrog: no smartd on sata :(
[05:46:00] mchou: maxtors run HOT
[05:46:00] alpha255: fryfrog, huh? are you sure?
[05:47:00] fryfrog: smartmon doesn't work with sata yet
[05:47:00] fryfrog: aparantly there is a kernel patch to allow it, so it should be coming soon
[05:47:00] alpha255: humm
[05:47:00] alpha255: ahh
[05:47:00] alpha255: ok good info thnx
[05:47:00] fryfrog: seagate, its the only one to settle for
[05:47:00] fryfrog: especially if you plan to run em 24/7
[05:47:00] mchou: fryfrog: every run smart on seagate??
[05:47:00] fryfrog: though i went with WD cause buying 5x drives a $20 difference adds up to the price :)
[05:47:00] mchou: ever*
[05:48:00] fryfrog: no, but 5 year warrenty > * :)
[05:48:00] mchou: fryfrog: you will be shocked!
[05:48:00] fryfrog: actually, i think i've only really ever had maybe *one* drive let me know it was dying via smart
[05:48:00] fryfrog: though i never install anything in the OS to tell me, just rely on reboots and seeing the bios
[05:49:00] mchou: fryfrog: lol, it aint even about dath in the case of segate
[05:49:00] mchou: seagate*
[05:49:00] fryfrog: what do they do?
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[05:49:00] mchou: fryfrog: it's about their lousy seek/read performance that always need ECC
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[05:50:00] alpha255: lots of quits
[05:50:00] mchou: some other dude I was talking to bought an new seagate drive, ran for 5 hrs out of the box, and had 1 smart error already
[05:51:00] mchou: on this very same irc channel.
[05:51:00] fryfrog: that sucks
[05:51:00] mchou: 400GB too
[05:51:00] fryfrog: i'll have to find a winblows smart tool and see how my drives are in my winblows boxes
[05:51:00] fryfrog: i've had good luck with seagate, death wise
[05:52:00] fryfrog: maxtor's have died on me left and right, usually 3 months after warrenty expired :(
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[05:52:00] alpha255: speaking of winblows...
[05:52:00] mchou: fryfrog: what for??
[05:52:00] alpha255: did you read about cardbus thing?
[05:52:00] ** alpha255 is not going to buy vista **
[05:52:00] fryfrog: mchou: what for what?
[05:52:00] mchou: fryfrog: just boot up with a knoppix livecd.
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[05:52:00] fryfrog: why reboot when i can just find some windows software?
[05:53:00] mchou: for this: [21:51:33] <fryfrog> i'll have to find a winblows smart tool and see how my drives are in my winblows boxes
[05:53:00] fryfrog: and afaik, sata and smart are not supported
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[05:53:00] mchou: ah, ok.
[05:53:00] fryfrog: the boxes with seagates are winders :)
[05:53:00] mchou: because you need to reboot windows evey wk for updates anyways :)
[05:53:00] fryfrog: wd was like $30 bucks cheaper and 20G bigger :)
[05:53:00] mchou: every*
[05:53:00] fryfrog: bah, like MS patches that often!
[05:54:00] fryfrog: its montly reboot for patches, weekly for lockups :)
[05:54:00] alpha255: CableCARD certification
[05:55:00] alpha255: blaa
[05:55:00] mchou: alpha255: what about them?
[05:55:00] fryfrog: did you see that cable card pci card at CES?
[05:55:00] alpha255: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060131-6081.html
[05:55:00] alpha255: what do you think...
[05:55:00] alpha255: i think it is the end for winblowsss
[05:55:00] mchou: alpha255: lol
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[05:56:00] mchou: alpha255: why you say that?
[05:56:00] alpha255: looks like total lock in
[05:56:00] alpha255: from the article
[05:56:00] alpha255: i don't like lock in
[05:56:00] mchou: alpha255: that's been MSFT's business model for years :)
[05:56:00] alpha255: true
[05:56:00] mchou: alpha255: so what were you expecting?
[05:57:00] alpha255: that's what I move to linux and gnu stuff
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[05:57:00] alpha255: this will create a big opportunity for linux on the desktop
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[05:57:00] mchou: alpha255: I like the ULTIMATE irony: "PlaysforSure"
[05:57:00] mchou: on on MSFT computers*
[05:57:00] xris: w00t, finally got my first check from google adwords.
[05:57:00] mchou: only*
[05:58:00] mchou: alpha255: it should say: "PlaysonlyHere"
[05:58:00] fryfrog: i got a ways to go... $13 over like 5 months so far :)
[05:58:00] alpha255: true!
[05:59:00] mchou: unfortunately I doubt linux box will ever be certified by CableLABs
[06:00:00] mchou: so no cableCARD for linux
[06:00:00] alpha255: should i care?
[06:00:00] mchou: unless they get hacked.
[06:00:00] alpha255: someone will make hardware for linux to run on
[06:01:00] mchou: alpha255: you should care if you intend to watch digital cable :)
[06:01:00] mchou: alpha255: I'm pessimistic about that.....
[06:01:00] alpha255: it goes back to the decss thing
[06:01:00] alpha255: paid for the product but can't run it on my choice of software
[06:01:00] alpha255: drat
[06:01:00] mchou: alpha255: maybe, maybe not
[06:02:00] mchou: CSS was easy to break.....
[06:03:00] BloodHaw1: hmm.. I'm getting "Audio is 8.3133 frames ahead of video, doubling video frame interval." — with various amounts on all HD content for some reason.
[06:03:00] alpha255: why are the providers making it soo tough on the people who pay for the service
[06:03:00] alpha255: ?
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[06:03:00] BloodHaw1: and this is causing the video to run way slower than it should?
[06:03:00] alpha255: why not go after the folks aren't
[06:03:00] mchou: alpha255: cause they are morons and greedy, that's why
[06:03:00] alpha255: yep
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[06:08:00] xris: fryfrog: took me over a year.
[06:09:00] fryfrog: xris: ahaha
[06:09:00] fryfrog: xris: glad i'm not the only slow one :)
[06:09:00] Netslayer: if i plug in my directv cable (from the dish) to my ATSC card.. what would happen.. help me to get at least one channel?
[06:10:00] fryfrog: ahahahhahahha
[06:10:00] mchou: Netslayer: hahaha!!!!
[06:10:00] xris: Netslayer: likely, nothing would happe
[06:10:00] Netslayer: ya i know
[06:10:00] xris: directv is mpeg4
[06:10:00] xris: and not atsc
[06:10:00] Netslayer: but it's at least a long wire heh
[06:10:00] fryfrog: I *imagine* it'd be funny if there was some BZZZZZRRRT noise
[06:10:00] Netslayer: my huge SS-3000 antenna won't get here for another 2 days
[06:10:00] fryfrog: xris: actually, dtv is a mix of mpeg2 and mpeg4 now
[06:10:00] Netslayer: what about after the receiver?.. guessing that's not going to help
[06:10:00] fryfrog: Netslayer: what are you trying to do?
[06:11:00] Netslayer: i just got my 3000..trying to tune something to see if it works
[06:11:00] xris: fryfrog: ah.
[06:11:00] fryfrog: i don't spose you also have cable?
[06:11:00] mchou: fryfrog: he is trying to do some pretty inane hacks :)
[06:11:00] fryfrog: xris: actually, i think its primarily mpeg2 now moving to mpeg4
[06:11:00] Netslayer: fryfrog, i have directv
[06:11:00] fryfrog: no OTA antenna at all?
[06:11:00] Netslayer: ATSC/OTA is all mpeg2 and the new directv stuff is/will be mpeg4.. dunno about anything else
[06:12:00] mchou: Netslayer: where you live?
[06:12:00] Netslayer: fryfrog, it's in the mail heh
[06:12:00] fryfrog: i wonder how dtv's rollout is going
[06:12:00] Netslayer: i live in northern LA, closest transmitter is exactly 30 miles ... thru like 3 huge mountains
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[06:12:00] fryfrog: i live in atlanta, i think it was supposed to be one of the first 12 test mpeg4 markets
[06:12:00] Netslayer: i bought it cause i'm moving to an area that has line of site.. kinda
[06:13:00] Netslayer: who has a dvb card here?
[06:13:00] mchou: Netslayer: where, pasadena?
[06:13:00] Exstatica: what happened to lxmsuite?
[06:13:00] Netslayer: valencia
[06:13:00] mchou: Netslayer: ouch
[06:13:00] Netslayer: moving to simi valley
[06:13:00] mchou: Netslayer: double ouch
[06:13:00] Netslayer: i like simi
[06:14:00] Netslayer: if ic bttv loaded in lsmod is that a problem?
[06:14:00] mchou: LA sux
[06:14:00] Netslayer: for traffic yes
[06:14:00] mchou: Netslayer: in every which way
[06:14:00] Netslayer: i love la
[06:14:00] mchou: Netslayer: not only traffic
[06:14:00] alpha255: wasn't there a song like taht
[06:14:00] alpha255: i love la
[06:15:00] alpha255: da da da we love it
[06:15:00] mchou: I tried going to a strip club in LA and there was a fatal car accident right in front of the strip club.....
[06:16:00] mchou: needless to say I wasnt "in the mood" that noght
[06:16:00] mchou: night*
[06:16:00] mchou: hehe
[06:16:00] jams: Exstatica- not enough people subscribed to cover the operational cost
[06:16:00] Exstatica: nice of them to tell us
[06:16:00] mchou: jams: are they still in business or?
[06:16:00] jams: an email was sent to the mailing list
[06:17:00] Exstatica: i never got an email
[06:17:00] Exstatica: do you still have a copy?
[06:17:00] alpha255: jams?
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[06:17:00] jams: Exstatica maybe, let me look
[06:17:00] alpha255: oh exstatica
[06:17:00] thaJeepJerk: Anyone know what happened to thor?
[06:17:00] Exstatica: yeah alpha?
[06:18:00] jams: mchou- heard they might come back in some form or another
[06:18:00] jams: the idea isn't gone
[06:18:00] mchou: jams: bah, I would hold my breath for that one :)
[06:18:00] ** alpha255 is confused? who is still in business? **
[06:18:00] mchou: wouldnt*
[06:18:00] Exstatica: zap2it still working though?
[06:18:00] mchou: Exstatica: as always :)
[06:19:00] Exstatica: will it mess any of my stuff up, if i switch?
[06:19:00] mchou: at least we can count on tribune media svcs
[06:19:00] mchou: at least I wont say "I to;d you so" :)
[06:19:00] jams: lxmsuite purchased the data from tribune
[06:20:00] mchou: told*
[06:20:00] FunkyELF: well...I got mythfrontend running on ubuntu....but I can't get it to connect to the databsae
[06:20:00] fryfrog: what is lxmsuite?
[06:20:00] superm1: FunkELF:check for a file ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:20:00] mchou: fryfrog: too late now
[06:20:00] superm1: and edit as needed
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[06:21:00] FunkyELF: superm1: on the frontend machine that I'm trying to set up?
[06:21:00] fryfrog: to late to find out what it is? or too late to use it?
[06:22:00] superm1: FunkELF: yup
[06:22:00] FunkyELF: its there
[06:22:00] mchou: fryfrog: more to the latter, I suppose
[06:22:00] superm1: check the host its trying to connect to
[06:22:00] superm1: make sure it matches to your backend
[06:22:00] FunkyELF: superm1: yeah, that is correct.....
[06:22:00] mchou: fryfrog: but it's become irrelevant
[06:22:00] superm1: and make sure your backend SQL has permissions appropriate to allow remote connections
[06:22:00] FunkyELF: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[06:22:00] FunkyELF: Database error was:
[06:22:00] FunkyELF: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client
[06:23:00] FunkyELF: I think I have connected to this machine before from a RR4 live CD that had mythfrontend on it
[06:24:00] superm1: what version of mysql are you running on the backend?
[06:24:00] FunkyELF: mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.14, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.0
[06:24:00] superm1: hmm
[06:25:00] FunkyELF: mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) .... on the frontend
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[06:26:00] superm1: well at this point you've got me..... time to ask a sql geek if there is a way to change authentication protocols for sql
[06:27:00] FunkyELF: ....actually, I think it is time for bed ;-)
[06:27:00] jams: anybody know a good place to buy modular rj45/db9 cables?
[06:27:00] FunkyELF: ,,,,and time for me to install gentoo tomorrow
[06:27:00] superm1: okay well good luck with that then
[06:28:00] FunkyELF: I am not impressed with kubuntu. I install firefox and the default home page doesn't exist on the filesystem....I run amarok and it can't play mp3s
[06:28:00] FunkyELF: ....reminds me of redhat back in the day when it couldn't play mp3s
[06:29:00] superm1: i wasn't impressed with kubuntu myself, regular ubuntu is fine for me, but the kde variant and xfce variants didn't appeal
[06:29:00] FunkyELF: i run xfce on my gentoo box...that is a shame to hear that they couldn't get something as simple as xfce right
[06:30:00] superm1: well their gnome stuff is fine however, and improving steadily with dapper. its got all the functionality i need at least
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[06:34:00] bo1: hello all . using a wintv-250, running a vcr output into the tuner input. channel. I can hear the video but its like it needs fine tuning or something to get the picture, what can I change to fix it..?
[06:35:00] Nitro: place your penis in the VCR and jump up and down until the picture gets better
[06:35:00] bo1: niice Nitro..
[06:36:00] Nitro: I thought so
[06:36:00] bo1: lol
[06:37:00] bo1: any other ideas nitro?
[06:38:00] Nitro: not really, I'm still waiting on my pvr-150
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[06:40:00] Ediehow: hi
[06:40:00] Ediehow: anyone use mythburn?
[06:41:00] Netslayer: anyone have a pchdtv 3000 here?
[06:41:00] superm1: Ediehow, I use it.
[06:41:00] Netslayer: does that look like the right dev to use /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[06:41:00] Ediehow: superm1: it's not showing up for me in mythweb anymore
[06:41:00] Ediehow: i think it was due to an upgrade or something
[06:41:00] Ediehow: where do i get the source and install instructions?
[06:41:00] superm1: Ediehow: what distro do you run on?
[06:42:00] Ediehow: fc4
[06:42:00] superm1: okay are you using FC4 packages?
[06:42:00] superm1: or hand built
[06:42:00] Ediehow: are there fc4 packages for mythburn?
[06:42:00] superm1: well for myth in general i'm saying
[06:42:00] Ediehow: fc4 rpms
[06:43:00] superm1: typically mythburn is installed in /usr/local/share/mythburn
[06:43:00] Ediehow: right, i installed it there
[06:43:00] superm1: if you find the install.sh from it
[06:43:00] superm1: you can reinstall and repatch mythweb
[06:43:00] Ediehow: but what about in mythweb?
[06:43:00] Ediehow: ok
[06:43:00] superm1: it should handle the patching for you
[06:43:00] Ediehow: ah, i found install.sh
[06:44:00] Ediehow: got it
[06:44:00] Ediehow: do you use the nice filename extension?
[06:44:00] Ediehow: thx
[06:44:00] Ediehow: btw
[06:44:00] superm1: k cool
[06:44:00] superm1: a nice filename extension?
[06:44:00] superm1: what do you mean by that?
[06:44:00] Ediehow: some program to rename recordings to nicer filenames
[06:44:00] Ediehow: for myth
[06:44:00] Ediehow: forgot name of it
[06:45:00] superm1: oh there is something that was in contrib to do that
[06:45:00] superm1: na i dont
[06:45:00] superm1: i use the mythburn-ui
[06:45:00] superm1: and it imports names from mysql
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[06:45:00] Ediehow: you use mythburn a lot?
[06:46:00] superm1: recently yes
[06:46:00] Ediehow: to dvds?
[06:46:00] superm1: i actually just got it working with .19
[06:46:00] superm1: yea
[06:46:00] Ediehow: .19 is out?!?!
[06:46:00] superm1: lol sorry svn
[06:46:00] superm1: almost .19
[06:46:00] Netslayer: heh
[06:46:00] Netslayer: rofl
[06:46:00] Exstatica: do the pvr150 and 350 work well together now?
[06:46:00] superm1: i had to hack at the scripts for a little bit to make it work with my setup
[06:47:00] superm1: they should work fine together with latest stable ivtv
[06:49:00] Exstatica: should
[06:49:00] superm1: what sort of things are you running into?
[06:49:00] superm1: and are you on latest stable ivtv?
[06:49:00] Exstatica: i tried it a while ago and things were all retarded
[06:50:00] Exstatica: so my 150 is sitting in a draw
[06:50:00] superm1: ah
[06:50:00] superm1: well things are always improving with ivtv
[06:50:00] superm1: it wouldnt hurt to try it at least
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[06:50:00] nanoITX: anyone ever find they have to add -D__STDC_LIMITS_MACROS to CFLAGS to get mythdvd to compile on FC3?
[06:51:00] nanoITX: er, -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS
[06:51:00] Exstatica: ivtvctl -V says 0.4.0
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[06:52:00] bo1: anyone have an idea about fine tuning channels?
[06:53:00] thaJeepJerk: are we allowed to use LPGL code in Myth?
[06:53:00] thaJeepJerk: err LGPL
[06:54:00] nanoITX: Myth is GPL?
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[06:55:00] superm1: what sort of thing are you looking to add?
[06:55:00] Ediehow: hi superm1
[06:55:00] Ediehow: so you make dvds?
[06:55:00] thaJeepJerk: nanoITX: Yeah
[06:56:00] superm1: yup
[06:56:00] Ediehow: let me see
[06:56:00] thaJeepJerk: superm1: liveMedia RTSP library
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[06:57:00] Ediehow: Warning at /usr/local/mythburn/mythwebburn/mythtvburndvd_confirm.php, line 74:
[06:57:00] Ediehow: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()
[06:57:00] Ediehow: do you have that problem, superm?
[06:57:00] Ediehow: that error?
[06:57:00] superm1: Ediehow: let you see? you want me to snail mail you one?
[06:57:00] superm1: thaJeepJerk: okay well i'm pretty sure that LGPL isnt immediately compat with GPL, but a quick google should be able to hlep
[06:57:00] superm1: EdieHow: na i haven't ran into that
[06:57:00] Ediehow: superm1: hwat release do you have?
[06:57:00] nanoITX: If Myth Is GPL you *can* include LGPL code with it, *however* that taints the LGPL code to be redistributable with Myth as GPL.
[06:57:00] Ediehow: oct05?
[06:57:00] thaJeepJerk: superm1: Thor was doing this in MFD, but something seems to have happened there (thor's missing?)
[06:58:00] superm1: thaJeepJerk: oh
[06:58:00] superm1: EdieHow: I use cvs
[06:58:00] superm1: its the only thing even close to compat with .19
[06:58:00] superm1: *svn**
[06:58:00] Ediehow: superm1: not talking about myth
[06:58:00] Ediehow: mythburn
[06:58:00] nanoITX: That means, that if the LGPL code distibuted with myth is modifed, and the modified version bundled with something else, that something else has to be GPL..
[06:58:00] superm1: right i use mythburn cvs
[06:58:00] Ediehow: oh
[06:58:00] Ediehow: ok, i am about to create dvd
[06:58:00] Ediehow: do you do make iso image?
[06:58:00] superm1: yes
[06:59:00] Ediehow: create submenus for chapters?
[06:59:00] superm1: in case the dvd burn fails you dont have to go through it all over again
[06:59:00] Ediehow: transcode first audio track...
[06:59:00] thaJeepJerk: nanoITX: So it wouldn't be any danger to MythTV?
[06:59:00] Ediehow: superm1: does it remove commercials?
[06:59:00] nanoITX: Oh, no. The danger is to the LGPL code, as far as I can see.
[07:00:00] thaJeepJerk: I doubt I'll be modifying livemedia any time soon
[07:00:00] nanoITX: Myth requires you to redistribute source, right?
[07:00:00] nanoITX: and LGPL lets you, right?
[07:00:00] nanoITX: So there is no problem...
[07:00:00] thaJeepJerk: cool
[07:00:00] nanoITX: EXCEPT the LGPL code you now redistribute must be redistributable under the GPL.
[07:00:00] nanoITX: because Myth requires that.
[07:01:00] thaJeepJerk: well the livemedia libraries would probably be installed separately
[07:01:00] superm1: Ediehow: You will have to set up cutlists first. Basically open a recording hit E to go into cutlist edit mode, and then there is a button to load the comm skips (it slips my mind right now though). You just need to verify and edit as needed before it will allow it to take those
[07:01:00] nanoITX: If the LGPL code isn't forked, that isn't a problem, because the original can always be distributed under the LGPL.
[07:01:00] nanoITX: But, once you fork LGPL code, and combine it with GPL code, it has to be distributed as GPL.
[07:02:00] thaJeepJerk: out of curiosity, do you use a nanoITX for your frontend?
[07:02:00] nanoITX: The ONLY exception would be if the LGPL code was already part of the O/S... but that's a GPL exception.
[07:02:00] Ediehow: superm1: assuming the cut lists exist already
[07:02:00] nanoITX: thaJeepJerk: yup... in a Silverstone LC08 case to boot
[07:02:00] nanoITX: chatting on it now, actually.
[07:02:00] Ediehow: how do you determine the progress?
[07:03:00] thaJeepJerk: works good?
[07:03:00] nanoITX: well enug.
[07:03:00] nanoITX: enuf
[07:03:00] superm1: Ediehow: assuming they are already there, hitting that checkbox with take out your cuts
[07:03:00] superm1: Ediehow: check the log file produced
[07:03:00] nanoITX: got xine running with xxmc accel using the CN400 and render 1080i with 30% CPU idle on a 1 GHZ nano
[07:03:00] superm1: Ediehow: I think there is a web log file too, but i dont know where it goes by default. mine jsut goes to /tmp/mythburn
[07:03:00] nanoITX: a little slow to compile, but that's not the intended purpose.
[07:04:00] nanoITX: for decoding MPEG2, it screams.
[07:04:00] thaJeepJerk: agreed
[07:04:00] thaJeepJerk: didn't they add mpeg4 in the nano?
[07:04:00] nanoITX: yup, but I dunno the state of openchrome support for it.
[07:05:00] thaJeepJerk: oh yeah
[07:05:00] thaJeepJerk: half my stuff is in mpeg4 tho :\
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[07:05:00] nanoITX: I've got the nano, a DVDRW and a small (for testing) 40 GB drive in the LC08 case... the 40 GB drive will be replaced by a 400 or 500 GB one :-)
[07:06:00] thaJeepJerk: get one of the hitachi CFDisks?
[07:06:00] nanoITX: damn 1.0 GHz nano was supposed to be fanless, but there is a small fansink. :-( Fairly quiet, though: 10–14 dBA at 1 metre
[07:07:00] superm1: nanoITX: what are you using to measure that?
[07:07:00] nanoITX: nah, just a 3–1/2" drive.
[07:07:00] superm1: i've been interested in measuring the noise in my fans
[07:07:00] nanoITX: superm1: the same sound meter I use to calibrate my theater to THX Reference levels (well, the sub falls a bit short at 108 DB @ 18 Hz at 16 feet)
[07:08:00] nanoITX: get a rat shack SPL meter for around $50
[07:08:00] superm1: cool thx
[07:08:00] superm1: where did you find THX reference levels listings at?
[07:09:00] Chutt: the analog meter from there's more accurate, and not that expensive, iirc.
[07:09:00] nanoITX: google
[07:09:00] superm1: lol of course, where else right?
[07:09:00] superm1: k
[07:09:00] nanoITX: 100 dB average, except sub which is 115. That, BTW, is LOUD! One does not play at those levels for any real length of time.
[07:10:00] nanoITX: A-weighted though.
[07:10:00] nanoITX: IIRC
[07:10:00] thaJeepJerk: you mind if I ask what the nano setup cost you?
[07:10:00] nanoITX: board: US$400
[07:10:00] nanoITX: RAM (513 MB); $75
[07:10:00] nanoITX: Case: (LC08) #132
[07:10:00] nanoITX: DVDRW: $160
[07:11:00] nanoITX: HD (500 GB): $290
[07:11:00] nanoITX: almost $1k in this configuration
[07:11:00] nanoITX: But, you could use a IDE flash disk and run it just as a mythfrontend
[07:11:00] nanoITX: heck, you could boot it over the net.
[07:11:00] superm1: or even a netboot for that matter
[07:11:00] superm1: yea
[07:12:00] thaJeepJerk: thats the idea
[07:12:00] nanoITX: don't really need the DVDRW either, but when one rents DVDs, one want's to stuff them in a machine in the theater and not the computer room
[07:12:00] thaJeepJerk: netboot is too much work tho :)
[07:12:00] superm1: i have been netbooting a frontend from a gentoo box, and the only thing i really like about it is only have to maintain one box after its all setup
[07:13:00] nanoITX: Without the DVDRW (or DVD-RO), you would use an LC07 case.
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[07:13:00] thaJeepJerk: need some sort of DVD drive
[07:13:00] Exstatica: anyone ever sue the little irblaster on the pvr150?
[07:13:00] Exstatica: to control a cable box?
[07:13:00] superm1: isn't that an ir reciever not ir blaster on the 150?
[07:14:00] Exstatica: it has both
[07:14:00] superm1: o
[07:15:00] thaJeepJerk: nanoITX: think if I don't have an HDD in the LC07 I could make a hole for the DVD? :)
[07:15:00] nanoITX: no, you'd use an LC08
[07:16:00] nanoITX: The LC08 accomodates a slimline DVD (or CD) drive
[07:16:00] thaJeepJerk: but I want the smaller one :(
[07:16:00] nanoITX: same size
[07:16:00] nanoITX: as in SMALL
[07:17:00] nanoITX: just a sec, I'll get a ruler
[07:18:00] thaJeepJerk: nope
[07:18:00] thaJeepJerk: LC08: 302 mm (W) x 57 mm (H) x 179 mm (D)
[07:18:00] thaJeepJerk: LC07 217 mm (W) x 57 mm (H) x 145 mm (D)
[07:18:00] superm1: holy crap, these boxes are that small???
[07:19:00] nanoITX: 11–7/8x7–1/8x2–1/4 WxDxH inches, not counting 3/16" little rubber feet
[07:19:00] nanoITX: Oh, so the LC07 IS a bit smaller.
[07:19:00] nanoITX: yeah, that small.
[07:19:00] nanoITX: want me to take and upload a picture somewhere?
[07:19:00] thaJeepJerk: actually might not be deep enough for the dvd drive
[07:19:00] nanoITX: it is
[07:19:00] nanoITX: barely, but it is
[07:19:00] thaJeepJerk: the LC07 that it
[07:20:00] nanoITX: Oh, that? prolly not
[07:20:00] thaJeepJerk: so LC08 it is
[07:20:00] thaJeepJerk: I'll deal
[07:20:00] superm1: and i thought i was going small by just using a mini itx case – i guess i was told ;)
[07:20:00] nanoITX: hah,,, try getting one — they're on a slow boat from Taiwan
[07:20:00] nanoITX: I got mine of the trade show floor.
[07:20:00] nanoITX: :-)
[07:20:00] thaJeepJerk: doh
[07:21:00] thaJeepJerk: then thats where I'll have to go
[07:21:00] nanoITX: Silverstone had to redesign the case after Via changed the mobo layout
[07:21:00] nanoITX: I know, I have the old case too :-(
[07:21:00] thaJeepJerk: I did notice everyone seems to be out of stock of the nano's
[07:21:00] nanoITX: I got mine in July from digitalww.com
[07:21:00] nanoITX: they claimed they could get lots.
[07:22:00] nanoITX: they aren't cheap, though — miniITX will be cheaper.
[07:22:00] nanoITX: BUT, try finding a miniITX with a CN400 (there are a few)
[07:22:00] superm1: the problem i have though with mini itx is finding a fanless supply
[07:22:00] nanoITX: yup!
[07:23:00] thaJeepJerk: my miniITX has built in power
[07:23:00] nanoITX: HUSHPC makes fanless caeses for miniITX, but NOT for the Commel 667 board which has a CN400
[07:23:00] thaJeepJerk: just use a 12V DC supply like any laptop
[07:23:00] thaJeepJerk: but its old
[07:23:00] nanoITX: Now, the 1.0 GHz nano is not fanless (I was real pissed off when Via spec'd a fan) but I think one can run the 800 MHz version fanless.
[07:23:00] fryfrog: I saw a blurb about an awsome 12dc psu for a pc
[07:23:00] superm1: what about for the other lines then? 5V 2.5V etc?
[07:23:00] fryfrog: it was almost the same size *as* the atx connector
[07:24:00] nanoITX: fryfrog: nah: just a DC/DC converter
[07:24:00] nanoITX: Still need a 120V PS
[07:24:00] thaJeepJerk: superm1: 40W power on board
[07:24:00] thaJeepJerk: nanoITX: its external, no fan
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[07:24:00] nanoITX: The silverstone LCO8 comes with a nano-ITX DC/DC converter inside, and a brick PS outside, no fans in PS
[07:25:00] fryfrog: ohhhh, neat
[07:25:00] nanoITX: BUT the 1.0 GHz nano requires a fansink
[07:25:00] nanoITX: it originally wasn't supposed to.
[07:25:00] superm1: well you know i'm about ready to go measure the fans in my mini itx power supply and just replace them with some of the quieter zalman fans for now
[07:25:00] nanoITX: Still 10–14 dBA at one metre is about as loud as a whisper.
[07:26:00] nanoITX: not bad for a box that can render 1080i
[07:26:00] superm1: no kiddin
[07:26:00] nanoITX: takes about a 2.5 GHz P4 to do that in S/W
[07:26:00] fryfrog: no problems with HD then?
[07:26:00] nanoITX: not so far, with the fan.
[07:26:00] fryfrog: nice
[07:26:00] nanoITX: flat out it peaks at 60C
[07:26:00] nanoITX: max temp is 85C
[07:27:00] nanoITX: lesse I've been compiling for a while...
[07:27:00] nanoITX: 61C
[07:27:00] thaJeepJerk: hmmm
[07:28:00] thaJeepJerk: any room for an LCD on the front of that baby?
[07:28:00] nanoITX: I did try running with the fan off and loading the CPU, but chickened out at 70C
[07:28:00] nanoITX: not really.
[07:28:00] nanoITX: unless you stuck it on the front.
[07:28:00] nanoITX: there's very little room with the HD in there... if you had no HD, you could prolly do it
[07:28:00] thaJeepJerk: thats the plan
[07:29:00] thaJeepJerk: HD makes too much noise
[07:29:00] thaJeepJerk: load the whole system into memory and then go
[07:30:00] thaJeepJerk: can you fit a GB in there?
[07:30:00] nanoITX: yeah, I thought of that, but I wanted local content: like a bunch of movies and all my CDs (flac not mp3 or ogg)
[07:30:00] nanoITX: RAM?
[07:30:00] nanoITX: yeah,
[07:30:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah
[07:30:00] nanoITX: dunno 'bout heat, tho
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[07:30:00] dmz: howdy y'all
[07:31:00] nanoITX: how's life in the firewall ghetto, dmz?
[07:31:00] dmz: i just went to watch my myth box and it lost all it's recordings! i noticed that the disk was full so I cleaned it up some, rebooted but the recordings are all still gone
[07:31:00] nanoITX: dmz, n.: DeMiliterized Zone
[07:31:00] dmz: dmz=my initials
[07:32:00] nanoITX: I guessed.. I was making a (lame) joke
[07:32:00] dmz: it works well since i primarily do security work :)
[07:32:00] nanoITX: heh
[07:32:00] dmz: so any idea on my myth record listings?
[07:32:00] nanoITX: not me
[07:32:00] nanoITX: just starting to put a box together
[07:32:00] dmz: anyone else awake?
[07:32:00] nanoITX: yeah
[07:33:00] thaJeepJerk: tell me more
[07:33:00] thaJeepJerk: they didn't autoexpire, right?
[07:33:00] dmz: no, the entire upcoming recordings and previous recordings are gone (not listed)
[07:34:00] thaJeepJerk: oh
[07:34:00] dmz: what tables are they in, i can manually check
[07:34:00] thaJeepJerk: your db needs to be reapaired
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[07:34:00] dmz: and how can i do that?
[07:34:00] dmz: just std mysql repair?
[07:34:00] thaJeepJerk: shutdown the backend service and repair your tables in the mysqlclient
[07:34:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah
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[07:35:00] dmz: this a normal thing? my box has only been running fo raobut 3 months
[07:35:00] thaJeepJerk: its because your disk filled
[07:36:00] thaJeepJerk: here's the thing, by default mysql creates binary logs to undo
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[07:36:00] thaJeepJerk: but if you're not doing any backups of the DB you don't need these so you can disable them
[07:36:00] dmz: disk filled before & this didn't happen
[07:36:00] dmz: mythconverg.oldrecord & .people had record-count errors
[07:37:00] thaJeepJerk: make sure while you're in there you at least reset your binary logs
[07:37:00] dmz: i don't have the binary log files enabled
[07:37:00] dmz: i only use them when replicating
[07:37:00] thaJeepJerk: really
[07:37:00] thaJeepJerk: recorded should have had errors too
[07:37:00] superm1: damn – looks like that LVM howto mchou was mentioning has failed me. I finally got all my data moved around and the drive taken out of the LVM set, and it looks like just corrupted reiserfs that won't resize: http://pastebin.ca/39425
[07:38:00] dmz: yeah it's back
[07:38:00] dmz: recorded was ok
[07:38:00] thaJeepJerk: so you have no binary logs?
[07:38:00] dmz: ok, off to watch colbar report
[07:38:00] ** Netslayer swears **
[07:38:00] thaJeepJerk: dmz, one more idea for you
[07:38:00] Netslayer: i was just finishing up a mythtv svn compile and i hit the power cord
[07:38:00] dmz: log-bin is uncommented
[07:38:00] dmz: s/un//
[07:39:00] thaJeepJerk: somewhere in mythtv there's a setting for how much disk space to leave free
[07:39:00] thaJeepJerk: keep it more than your largest recording
[07:39:00] dmz: i'll check that. gotta run, thanks :)
[07:39:00] thaJeepJerk: if its commented then I think its on by default
[07:40:00] dmz: no, it needs to be uncommented (at least when i enable binary files for replication in my production mysql clusters)
[07:41:00] thaJeepJerk: ok, you're right
[07:41:00] dmz: ok, thanks again
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[07:45:00] nanoITX: mmmm beeer
[07:45:00] thaJeepJerk: its late, I'm outta here
[07:45:00] nanoITX: 'night
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[07:50:00] nanoITX: Gads, must be late, the aussies are stumbling into the room
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[07:51:00] nanoITX: Ah, only midnight, still have time to head to the pub for a quick pint.
[07:51:00] nanoITX: but, I want this mythplugins compile to finish
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[07:57:00] superm1: damn looks like all of this work i put into moving that data really was a failure
[07:57:00] superm1: both logical volumes on the lvm are a mess
[07:57:00] superm1: i mightaswell just reformat them
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[11:43:00] stuarta: morning all
[11:43:00] Caveman: hi there
[11:45:00] Merlin83b: Hi stuarta – thanks for the pointer to the lossless transcode thing last night. Worked perfectly.
[11:45:00] stuarta: no problem. finally got dvdauthor satisfied last night too.
[11:47:00] Merlin83b: Building new SVN now (8811)
[11:47:00] Merlin83b: Thought I may as well, since it's been a couple of hundred revisions and the box isn't doing anything today :-)
[11:48:00] Caveman: what was the link to Myth wiki again?
[11:48:00] laga: hi :)
[11:48:00] laga: Caveman: wiki.mythtv.org
[11:48:00] Caveman: makes sense i guess ;)
[11:49:00] laga: :)
[11:49:00] Caveman: couldnt see a link from main mythtv.org
[11:49:00] stuarta: merlin83b: why not :)
[11:49:00] stuarta: I'm going to have trouble finding a timeslot for rebuilding in the next week
[11:50:00] stuarta: somehow have 13 scheduled recordings for sunday...
[11:50:00] Merlin83b: Heh, crazy.
[11:50:00] stuarta: luckily 5 of them are repeats shown at other times.
[11:51:00] Caveman: .19 is looking close
[11:51:00] stuarta: tonight's busy too. A few good movies....
[11:52:00] stuarta: Caveman: i'd say no longer RSN, but RRSN.
[11:52:00] adante: in soviet russia, tv records mythtv
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[12:14:00] juski: afternoon
[12:14:00] stuarta: afternoon
[12:15:00] juski: got tomorrow off... time to play with mythburn
[12:15:00] juski: should be erm... 'fun' ;-)
[12:15:00] stuarta: I managed to finally get something burnt to dvd last night
[12:16:00] laga: juski: got tomorrow off as well.
[12:16:00] stuarta: no mythburn used tho.
[12:16:00] laga: juski: i've just the read source of mythburn-ui. doesn't look very complicated, though.
[12:16:00] ** stuarta would like the day off.... **
[12:16:00] laga: :)
[12:17:00] juski: I've got no choice – gas man is gonna be fitting a new pipe
[12:17:00] stuarta: my mythburn scripts would be pretty simple
[12:17:00] stuarta: transcode -> dvdauthor.
[12:17:00] laga: i've got no choice either – school is closed or so. ;)
[12:18:00] stuarta: i require a train strike :(
[12:18:00] juski: .. or a fataality on the line.. any volunteers?
[12:19:00] laga: juski: depends on my mythburn experience today.
[12:19:00] laga: :)
[12:19:00] stuarta: don't think it's that bad anymore...
[12:20:00] stuarta: I did just have to use windoze for an hour tho...
[12:20:00] laga: hehe
[12:20:00] juski: what does the note he left say? "can't get this damn myth box working, and nobody in the users IRC channel seems to care"
[12:20:00] ** stuarta lets off a long stream of expletives... **
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[12:21:00] stuarta: it's good to see we are all having a fun day...
[12:22:00] laga: hehe
[12:22:00] stuarta: i'm having trouble decided which way to go for lunch.
[12:22:00] stuarta: up, left or right...
[12:23:00] juski: on the Register, commenting about transsexual folks being able to get two ID cards... "Whether this will leave Fortress Britain at risk from hordes of cross-dressing al-Queeda operatives is not yet clear"
[12:23:00] stuarta: hehe
[12:23:00] laga: ouch ;)
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[12:24:00] stuarta: that's almost as good as the health & safety person sending an email during a blackout to tell us to open the blinds...
[12:25:00] juski: heh
[12:25:00] stuarta: how they managed I'm not sure. Must have had a laptop.
[12:26:00] juski: or the IT dept emmailing to say that email is working again
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[12:26:00] ivor: the register is a star. :)
[12:26:00] stuarta: don't even get me started on exchange servers *pah..*
[12:27:00] juski: one of the servers here needs regular reboots
[12:28:00] ivor: <ironic>yeah often need to reboot one or two servers here.</ironic>
[12:28:00] stuarta: sadly that's normal for exchange servers...
[12:28:00] juski: I wasn't allowed to put linux on a testing PC.. cos IT don''t know anything about linux
[12:28:00] ivor: 6500 Windows 2000/2003 servers. !!
[12:28:00] stuarta: juski: which also means they couldn't find linux if you put it there....
[12:29:00] ivor: madness.
[12:29:00] stuarta: do they employ someone fulltime to walk around and press reset buttons?
[12:29:00] ivor: pretty much.
[12:29:00] haj: scheduled reboots.. mmm :)
[12:29:00] ivor: s/someone/some people/g
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[12:30:00] stuarta: trained monkeys maybe?
[12:30:00] haj: actually Windows Server 2003 runs pretty stable...
[12:30:00] ivor: oh no MSCE's :P
[12:30:00] ** ivor blinks at haj **
[12:30:00] haj: :)
[12:30:00] stuarta: specially trained monkeys :)
[12:31:00] haj: that dosn't make the MSCE's any smarter though :)
[12:31:00] stuarta: frontal lobotomies might...
[12:32:00] juski: I used to work with a certified MCSE.. he was worse than clueless
[12:32:00] ** Caveman hangs his MCSE certified head in shame ;) **
[12:32:00] stuarta: same. Painful to work with mine was.
[12:33:00] stuarta: caveman: there's a big difference between those that study, & those that cram
[12:34:00] stuarta: there are so many cram sites for MCSE that you can pass it without learning anything
[12:34:00] Caveman: yeah i know, but were not all bad!
[12:35:00] fryfrog: I should get my MCSE :/
[12:35:00] ivor: Caveman: sure... but it now means that an MSCE moniker is completely meaningless.
[12:35:00] fryfrog: I'd also like to get RH or Sun certs, but i suspect they'd be harder :)
[12:35:00] stuarta: fryfrog: I've a roll of toilet paper you can use.
[12:35:00] stuarta: get RH, it's in big demand...
[12:35:00] Caveman: MSCE isn't frowned apon as much in Aus where I live, but I definately agree. Due to dumps, etc MSCE isn't worth squat
[12:35:00] stuarta: $$$$ tho.
[12:36:00] fryfrog: is it a roll of MCSE toilet paper? cause that kind is special... it tears when you try and wipe, so you get doodie on your thumb :)
[12:36:00] Caveman: lol
[12:36:00] stuarta: caveman: In aus (where I'm from) you just need to be able to do the job
[12:36:00] fryfrog: I had a co-worker who went to get RH
[12:36:00] Caveman: [23:36] <stuarta> caveman: In aus (where I'm from) you just need to be able to do the job
[12:36:00] fryfrog: he was the one I learned most of my linux/unix from, and *he* said he had to stay up at the hotel every night studying :)
[12:36:00] Caveman: <-- no question, experience speaks levels over a bit of paper
[12:37:00] stuarta: came to the uk, where the paper??
[12:37:00] fryfrog: i just need to get off my ass and get out of this suck ass, but well paying job :/
[12:37:00] stuarta: here it's all about the paper....
[12:37:00] juski: I've seen the coursework for Sun certification... can you add users & manage disk space with the GUI utils?
[12:37:00] fryfrog: I think here in the US its like 50/50
[12:38:00] ivor: stuarta: nah it's about lying enough to get through the layers of agents and hr to actually get an interview with someone who'll hire you because you can do the job.
[12:38:00] fryfrog: it'll get your foot in the door, cause managers who hire know the abreviations
[12:38:00] stuarta: hehe (no comment...)
[12:38:00] fryfrog: i think i could also get my CCNA
[12:38:00] fryfrog: thats the low-ish cicso one right?
[12:38:00] Caveman: yeah
[12:38:00] fryfrog: i always get them confused, CCNP? or?
[12:38:00] fryfrog: ah, yeah
[12:38:00] ivor: stuarta: it's true. it's the only way to get on.... requires confidence and balls though.
[12:39:00] fryfrog: A+, Linux+ and Network+ were *lame* easy
[12:39:00] juski: any job interview needs confidence & balls to get the job
[12:39:00] fryfrog: I wish I hadn't even bought the books, could have passed them w/o reading em :)
[12:39:00] stuarta: spend much of last year perfecting the process...
[12:39:00] Caveman: A+ was absolutely useless, havn't even bothered with the others
[12:39:00] fryfrog: network+ had freaking netware shit in!
[12:39:00] fryfrog: Linux+ was the only one "worthwhile" if you can even count it
[12:39:00] juski: people still use netware
[12:40:00] ivor: ahhh netware... and goes all misty eyed over IPX,SPX...
[12:40:00] ivor: piece of shit.
[12:40:00] fryfrog: It was one of the only linux certs i could find that wasn't abso-fucking-rediculously expensive or hard
[12:40:00] stuarta: the only one I've seen worth the paper it's printed on are RH...
[12:40:00] fryfrog: yar, i concur :)
[12:40:00] stuarta: which is why its hard.
[12:40:00] juski: where would one get a mythtv certificate? ;-)
[12:41:00] fryfrog: i can mail you one, $100 :)
[12:41:00] stuarta: gimp?
[12:41:00] ivor: stuarta: kinky.
[12:41:00] fryfrog: finally got the rebate from my color printer back the other day
[12:41:00] fryfrog: took like freaking 8 months or something
[12:41:00] stuarta: not that gimp the other one ;-)
[12:41:00] ivor: oh that reminds me... Canon sucks.
[12:42:00] fryfrog: haha
[12:42:00] fryfrog: I had my Canon LBP 430 laser printer for almost 10 years
[12:42:00] fryfrog: It probably would have still worked too, but i didn't wanna waste $100 on toner
[12:42:00] juski: one of the things my friends & my wiife keep asking... when is all the linux stuff going to start paying me? like er,.. hang on
[12:43:00] ivor: juski: yeah we all get taht.
[12:43:00] laga: juski: my friends stopped asking and started shaking their heads a long time ago ;)
[12:43:00] stuarta: it does already :)
[12:43:00] laga: hehe
[12:43:00] juski: are there any courses/routes of action to take?
[12:44:00] stuarta: somehow "work" on it while at work
[12:44:00] ivor: yeah I do that.
[12:44:00] juski: or is experience & ability to bullshit paramount, as with everything else?
[12:44:00] ivor: bit obvious at a microsoft shop though. :D
[12:44:00] stuarta: knowlegde of obscure unix details very good.
[12:45:00] ivor: juski: indeed. experience, knowledge, some social skills, bravado, cheek and nerve. will get you a long way.
[12:45:00] juski: actually.. just saying I used to _use_ solaris was great for job offers
[12:46:00] juski: not in this part of the world though... all wanted me to move to fsking Slough
[12:46:00] stuarta: just spend some time on jobserve and you will soon notice what they want
[12:46:00] ivor: juski: Slough or Reading. nice.
[12:47:00] stuarta: slough, reading, guildford, cambridge. that's the main ones.
[12:47:00] juski: ugh
[12:47:00] stuarta: m3/m4 corridor
[12:47:00] juski: £30k would go nowhere down there
[12:48:00] ivor: juski: rubbish you could have a nice night out on that.
[12:48:00] juski: lol
[12:48:00] juski: and a mmortgage?
[12:48:00] fryfrog: i wonder how a US citizen goes about getting a job in another country?
[12:48:00] stuarta: if you can get finance industry exp, that open 90% of the doors.
[12:48:00] ** ivor nods **
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[12:49:00] juski: what the? IT support guy job here.. £23k for end user support with knowledge of MS Office
[12:50:00] juski: I seriously doubt that somehow
[12:51:00] ivor: so where is everyone geographically?
[12:52:00] stuarta: couldn't pay me enough to make me consider end user support.
[12:52:00] juski: that's a very good jobsite – been redundant 3 times & never even heard of it
[12:52:00] ivor: juski: jobserve? where've you been? under a rock?
[12:52:00] stuarta: juski: cwjobs. Put your CV there and they call you for things you haven't heard of
[12:53:00] stuarta: must have been a big rock.
[12:53:00] fryfrog: what does "CV" mean (i know it is a resume)
[12:54:00] laga: fryfrog: curriculum vitae
[12:54:00] juski: been employed for 4 years and happy until now
[12:54:00] stuarta: curriculum vitae
[12:54:00] fryfrog: krieky, what the heck does THAT mean?
[12:54:00] stuarta: it's latin
[12:54:00] juski: vital stats ;-)
[12:54:00] ivor: bah I got as far as curric.... need faster fingers.
[12:54:00] fryfrog: ahhhh
[12:54:00] laga: something like 'life cycle'
[12:54:00] laga: probably ;)
[12:54:00] juski: or in terms of what agencies look for, lists of key words
[12:54:00] fryfrog: speaking of resumes... the gallery team got a nice email today
[12:54:00] laga: fryfrog: gallery.sf.net?
[12:55:00] fryfrog: some asshole threatening "lawyers" cause someone posted negative comments about their ISP (he is ceo or what ever)
[12:55:00] fryfrog: yar :)
[12:55:00] ivor: lame.
[12:55:00] fryfrog: quite lame :)
[12:55:00] ivor: probably worth publishing. :)
[12:56:00] fryfrog: my favorite part is when he points out that there are no negative reviews of his buisness on the internet because it is the intern'ets best host
[12:56:00] fryfrog: then goes on to say that the second reason is he threatens legal action against all the negative ones
[12:56:00] fryfrog: wtf????
[12:56:00] ** stuarta wanders off in search of food... **
[12:56:00] ivor: looooser.
[12:57:00] fryfrog: and the stooopiderest part
[12:57:00] ivor: there's more??
[12:57:00] fryfrog: its a post on the forums, in a thread FULL of positive reviews!!!!
[12:57:00] fryfrog: like, 10 positive reviews and ONE bad one...
[12:57:00] ivor: and now... a copy of that letter too? :D
[12:57:00] ivor: go on... you know you want to.
[12:57:00] fryfrog: i mean seriously, you have like 3 or 5 PAGE LONG good reviews and some dude posts a paragraph that is negative...
[12:57:00] fryfrog: dumbass
[12:58:00] fryfrog: http://gallery.menalto.com/node/5009
[12:58:00] fryfrog: thats the forum
[12:58:00] fryfrog: i probably shouldn't post the actual letter from the dude w/o the gallery fuhrar's permission
[12:58:00] ivor: bah.
[12:59:00] ivor: been reading this blog recently: http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com worth a read.
[13:00:00] laga:
[13:00:00] fryfrog: sure, but i don't know where my umlout key is and also i suck at spelling ;)
[13:00:00] laga: hehe ;)
[13:01:00] juski: I see question marks, not umlauts
[13:01:00] laga: juski: let me switch to utf8
[13:01:00] juski: and my has key comes out as '3'
[13:01:00] juski: *hash
[13:01:00] laga: führer? :)
[13:01:00] fryfrog: OMG
[13:01:00] juski: heh
[13:01:00] fryfrog: all i see is CRZY!
[13:01:00] fryfrog: like A 1/4
[13:01:00] juski: I see deaf people
[13:02:00] laga: fryfrog: hehe. welcome to utf8-land :)
[13:02:00] juski: *typo
[13:02:00] fryfrog: utf8 is for people w/o irssi :(
[13:02:00] laga: i use irssi. :)
[13:02:00] fryfrog: and you see utf8?
[13:02:00] juski: wait a second... I found the job I'm now on jobserve... I'd just forgotten
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[13:11:00] laga: fryfrog: depends. i use konsole with a iso8559–15 charset. if i change it to utf8, i can see it
[13:11:00] fryfrog: ah
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[13:53:00] johnp_: stuarta around ?
[13:53:00] stuarta: yep
[13:53:00] johnp_: I'm a bit miffed :( Looks like DVB for me at least is bust.
[13:53:00] stuarta: saw your ticket emails last night.
[13:54:00] stuarta: my livetv works one day not the next
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[13:54:00] johnp_: Worst bit is, it was working. I might try and binary chop the revisions tonight and try and isolate it.
[13:55:00] juski: well, it'll get sorted out in the end
[13:55:00] stuarta: it's the only way, though pseudo binary helps
[13:55:00] stuarta: pseudo binary=use timeline to pick out danielk's commits.
[13:56:00] mchou: anyone know if you can d/l NPR programming like "all things condidered" to an ipod, and if so, how to go about it?
[13:56:00] laga: err, what's a pseudo binary?
[13:56:00] johnp_: yup that would help I guess.
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[13:56:00] johnp_: Assuming it was dtk.
[13:56:00] mchou: considered*
[13:56:00] stuarta: most likely culprit.
[13:56:00] stuarta: laga: see above.
[13:57:00] laga: stuarta: ok
[13:57:00] ** laga goes back to beating mythburn-ui silly **
[13:57:00] stuarta: laga: is it behaving?
[13:58:00] laga: stuarta: the ui itself, yes. but the mythburn scripts don'
[13:58:00] stuarta: johnp_: 1173 is interesting. Leaking preview threads...
[13:58:00] laga: t work on this machine yet
[13:58:00] laga: i think i have a typo in my config.
[13:59:00] johnp_: stuarta, hmm, might try for that (is that revision correct )
[13:59:00] johnp_: doh ticket number.
[14:00:00] laga: oh, it's doing something now.
[14:00:00] ** stuarta evades johnp_'s attempt to confuse him... **
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[14:01:00] rijm: /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6
[14:01:00] rijm: ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `JoystickMenuClient::Init(QString&)'
[14:01:00] rijm: ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `JoystickMenuClient::JoystickMenuClient(QObject*)'
[14:01:00] rijm: ../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `JoystickMenuClient::Process()'
[14:01:00] rijm: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[14:01:00] rijm: make[2]: *** [mythtv] Fout 1
[14:01:00] stuarta: rijm: pastebin.ca
[14:01:00] rijm: stuarta: even this is too much?
[14:01:00] rijm: I'm sorry
[14:01:00] laga: yep
[14:02:00] laga: :)
[14:02:00] juski: missing joystick libs eh
[14:02:00] juski: try using --disable-joystick in ./configure
[14:02:00] laga: and a make distclean
[14:02:00] rijm: juski: I did that
[14:03:00] rijm: hmm, that could be the problem
[14:03:00] johnp_: Anyone know which revision livetv was switched back on in ?
[14:03:00] juski: that was a wee while ago
[14:03:00] johnp_: Have to start somewhere :(
[14:03:00] juski: I think DVB was totally borked back then iirc
[14:04:00] johnp_: I wish I could remember when it worked maybe I'll go back in time as opposed to revision.
[14:04:00] stuarta: johnp_: when was the last time it worked?
[14:04:00] johnp_: That's the thing I can't quite put my finger on it.
[14:05:00] stuarta: mine's only started giving trouble in the last week...
[14:05:00] stuarta: try 8202 first.
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[14:06:00] johnp_: stuarta, I'll give that a go.
[14:06:00] ** juski goes back to looking busy **
[14:06:00] stuarta: just rechecking my numbers...
[14:07:00] stuarta: sorry 8702, 8703 had a problem
[14:09:00] ** johnp_ negotiates reciprocal confusion **
[14:10:00] stuarta: when is said 8202 before, I meant 8702.
[14:11:00] stuarta: so try 8702 first.
[14:11:00] johnp_: yup
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[14:35:00] Merlin83b: Godammit. Why is FE complaining about initialising plugins, when I just make installed them?
[14:36:00] Merlin83b: mythtv and mythplugins are from the same SVN revision.
[14:37:00] scottder: hey all...I am seeing some odd behaviour on my Myth...stuff isplaying back just slightly slower than it should....both recorded and liveTV
[14:37:00] Merlin83b: Jerkily of smooth and slow, scottder?
[14:38:00] scottder: smooth and slow
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[14:39:00] Merlin83b: Weird – you're not on timestretch or anything?
[14:39:00] scottder: I don't think so...where would I check for that
[14:40:00] Merlin83b: When watching, pop the menu up and choose Timestretch (near the bottom) and check it's on 1.0x
[14:40:00] scottder: Ok
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[14:45:00] scottder: Hmmm it's 1.0x
[14:46:00] scottder: Ok issue is only with recorded material and livetv, not video I DLed
[14:46:00] scottder: hrrm
[14:46:00] juski: scottder: maybe you're dropping frames & mythtv is warping the audio & video to compensate
[14:48:00] scottder: how would i tell?
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[14:48:00] ** juski rejects some new lead-free fan samples **
[14:49:00] Merlin83b: Tell me about my plugins, juski!  :-)
[14:49:00] juski: who knows?
[14:49:00] juski: you been writing plugins? ;-)
[14:49:00] laga: juski: why's that?
[14:50:00] juski: why am I rejecting the fans? too noisy
[14:50:00] laga: oh, ok
[14:50:00] juski: but they're cheap, orgo, they are noisy
[14:50:00] juski: sunon crap
[14:51:00] Merlin83b: No juski, just grabbed svn, make clean, configure, make, make install
[14:51:00] juski: scottder: in the setup menu for tv playback there's a tickbox to 'warp' playback instead of drop frames (experimental).. in 0.18 it's there I think
[14:52:00] rijm: http://pastebin.ca/39480
[14:52:00] laga: 'use video as timebase' – do you mean that one, juski?
[14:52:00] juski: Merlin83b: no idea.. sounds like you did all the right stuff
[14:52:00] laga: Merlin83b: you forgot the qmake step :)
[14:52:00] stuarta: merlin83b: I'm assuming make, make install, make, make install
[14:52:00] juski: laga: it';s on the same page
[14:52:00] Merlin83b: Yeah, same as I've done before :-(
[14:52:00] Merlin83b: stuarta: yeah, once for mythtv, once for mythplugins
[14:52:00] juski: qmake mythplugins.pro
[14:52:00] laga: juski: wow, i don't remember that one. i don't think it's there in svn
[14:53:00] rijm: some none got an idea how to fix this?
[14:53:00] Merlin83b: Ooh, that might be a plan juski. What does it actually do?
[14:53:00] juski: it erm.. qmakes... stuff.. & things
[14:53:00] juski: & that
[14:53:00] laga: hehe
[14:53:00] Merlin83b: Oh right, handy ;-)
[14:54:00] juski: by my understandering, it just makes it work ;)
[14:54:00] Merlin83b: Going through the qmake, configure, make, make install procedure then :-)
[14:54:00] juski: configure, qmake, make, make install
[14:55:00] stuarta: rijm: you've a mish-mash of compilers & libraries by the look of it.
[14:55:00] Merlin83b: Oh.
[14:55:00] juski: Merlin83b: I'm surprised at you for that, what with it being in the FM & all
[14:55:00] juski: ;-)
[14:55:00] Merlin83b: Heh, true.
[14:56:00] rijm: stuarta: any idea how to fix it?
[14:56:00] stuarta: rijm: what distro, gcc version you using?
[14:56:00] Merlin83b: Just not used to qmake as a step in the process of making things.
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[14:56:00] rijm: debian, gcc-3.3
[14:56:00] stuarta: looks like testing from 3 months ago
[14:56:00] juski: I'll find out what it does one day, then I won't just be a parrot
[14:57:00] stuarta: juski: qmake redoes all the QT magic glue.
[14:57:00] laga: juski: i believe qmake generates Makefile.s from .pro files :)
[14:58:00] stuarta: rijm: update to either full stable, or current testing...
[14:58:00] Kelerion: installed fc5 test 2 into a vmware machine last night – looks *nice*
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[14:59:00] stuarta: meeting :(
[15:00:00] Kelerion: I am *so* tempted to blitz my dev machine and install it – and try the new ati drivers.. am missing having a linux box for my main machine
[15:00:00] scottder: Grr this is real annoying
[15:02:00] BloodHawk: For some reason video is running slowly in the SVN for me — -v playback gives me messages about video frames being delayed because audio is ahead of video.. but I only have 16–18% CPU usage.
[15:02:00] BloodHawk: (with HD)
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[15:05:00] ivor: think I'll finally update to gcc4.... time to rebuild everything.
[15:06:00] juski: oh, magic glue.. that's all I need to know then ;-)
[15:07:00] stuarta: :)
[15:08:00] ** stuarta is stuck in a pure virtual meeting **
[15:08:00] juski: so _that's_ what keeps all the pixie dust in the right place
[15:08:00] stuarta: pixies?
[15:09:00] Merlin83b: Argh, qmake done and still not working :<
[15:09:00] juski: isn't that how linux works? ;-)
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[15:14:00] Merlin83b: Damn you, mythfrontend! Initialise my plugins!
[15:15:00] Merlin83b: Right, from the top
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[15:18:00] lesshaste: I am confused by satellites. Is Astra 1A a different satellite from Astra 2C for example.. or just something different transmitted from the same one?
[15:19:00] juski: different satellite in the same orbit rea ;-)
[15:19:00] juski: *area
[15:19:00] scottder: grr...ok this is frustrating
[15:20:00] lesshaste: juski: ok thanks!
[15:20:00] lesshaste: juski: so my dish will pick up from both at the same time?
[15:20:00] lesshaste: juski: I ask as channels from both appear in my channel list
[15:22:00] juski: lesshaste: yup – they operate on different frequencies
[15:22:00] juski: each sat does a different group of channels, although some might do channels other sats carry
[15:24:00] lesshaste: juski: ok thx!
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[15:32:00] rav3r: anyway to close mythtv when the keyboard is not working, and the quit button on the remote doesn't work?
[15:33:00] rav3r: well, alt+f4 not working anyway
[15:33:00] rijm: do I need libxvmc to compile it with xvmc or are the libaries shipped with the driver (nvidia( enough?
[15:33:00] ivor: rav3r: ssh in and kill mythfrontend.
[15:33:00] rijm: or shouldn't I use xvmc at all?
[15:33:00] rav3r: how does one "ssh in"?
[15:34:00] rijm: rav3r: got an toher pc?
[15:34:00] rav3r: i have a pc, but it's windows
[15:34:00] rijm: for windows download putty, you can login at your pc from an toher pc with that
[15:34:00] rijm: you have to have sshd installed, but that's quite common
[15:35:00] ivor: rijm: either link against the xvmc wrapper... or tell your myth configure the location/name of your nvidia library.
[15:35:00] rav3r: thanks, i'm downloading it now
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[15:37:00] rijm: ivor: how do I do that?
[15:38:00] rav3r: ok, i'm sorry this is a bit off topic, where do i get the host name or ip for putty?
[15:38:00] haj: ifconfig
[15:38:00] rijm: rav3r: it's the ip of the linux computer
[15:39:00] rav3r: i thought so, put i don't know how to get it, since i can't get out of mythtv
[15:39:00] juski: prolly a bad idea to use dhcp with a mythtv install if the front & backends are on different machines
[15:39:00] Merlin83b: rav3r: Didn't you set it up when installing?
[15:40:00] rav3r: i left whatever the default was
[15:40:00] ivor: rijm: ah my bad I was thinking of mplayer.... mythtv configure just has a hardcoded set of libraries.
[15:40:00] laga: rav3r: hit alt+ctrl+f1 – alt+f7 to get back
[15:40:00] rijm: ok :)
[15:40:00] ivor: rijm: just set --enable-xvmc and it should detect the nvidia driver
[15:40:00] rijm: yeah, ok
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[15:42:00] juski: rav3r: is it not_myth by any chance?
[15:42:00] rav3r: what? the host name?
[15:42:00] juski: the distro
[15:42:00] rav3r: fedora c 4
[15:42:00] juski: how many distros default to using dhcp?
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[15:43:00] Beirdo_: how many don't?
[15:43:00] juski: heh
[15:43:00] juski: gentoo didn't
[15:44:00] directhex|work: gentoo doesn't do much by default
[15:45:00] haj: default to dhcp is by far the most clever thing to do :)
[15:45:00] haj: but it's nice to have a choice :)
[15:45:00] juski: just press OK anyway
[15:45:00] mchou: gah!!
[15:46:00] mchou: help!
[15:46:00] directhex|work: i need somebody!
[15:46:00] directhex|work: help!
[15:46:00] directhex|work: not just anybody!
[15:46:00] Beirdo_: sorry, we ain't a dating service
[15:46:00] juski: windows users & others in general are too used to seeing 'sure?' and clicking 'yup'
[15:46:00] mchou: oh stfu
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[15:47:00] juski: that's charming, that is
[15:47:00] Beirdo_: mchou: behave already
[15:47:00] Merlin83b: Yep, I know I'm in the mood to help now.
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[15:47:00] mchou: directhex|work: you aint no beatle
[15:47:00] directhex|work: kids these days don't appreciate the beatles
[15:47:00] juski: I apprecate them, and I for one am glad they don't make em like that anymore
[15:47:00] mchou: directhex|work: lol, I got the reference
[15:48:00] rav3r: kill mythfrontend returns arguments must be process or job ids
[15:48:00] directhex|work: use "killall mythfrontend"
[15:48:00] _rjune: juski: I second
[15:48:00] directhex|work: killall takes a program's name
[15:48:00] rav3r: yea!
[15:48:00] rav3r: thanks bunches
[15:49:00] rav3r: that worked
[15:49:00] Beirdo: rav3r: just be careful to never try that on a Solaris box :)
[15:50:00] mchou: directhex|work: next time try pkill
[15:50:00] Beirdo: killall is used by shutdown(1M) to kill all active processes
[15:50:00] Beirdo: not directly related to the shutdown procedure.
[15:50:00] Beirdo: in Solaris :)
[15:50:00] directhex|work: if you use solaris, you deserve everything you get
[15:50:00] Beirdo: I remember the first time I did that
[15:50:00] Beirdo: thankfully, it wasn't a production box
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[15:51:00] haj: Beirdo: or on a AIX-box :)
[15:51:00] rav3r: mental note: stay a way from solaris
[15:51:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:51:00] rav3r: got it
[15:51:00] haj: Beirdo: but, at least it shuts it down fast :)
[15:51:00] Beirdo: Solaris >> Linux in many respects
[15:51:00] scottder: What is the best way to remove a channel I don't get? should I remove it on zap2it?
[15:51:00] Beirdo: AND... it pays my wages
[15:51:00] directhex|work: Beirdo, none of those respects involve actually using the machine, though
[15:51:00] Beirdo: scottder: yes, remove it on zap2it is the best bet
[15:52:00] scottder: Ok cool
[15:52:00] mchou: ok, is there a way to "wget" streaming files from a web site like national public radio into my portable mp3 player?
[15:52:00] Beirdo: directhex|work: sure they do, but I'm not going into a OS war. that's just WAY too off-topic
[15:52:00] Twiggy: hey where do you toss songs so they're found by mythmusic?
[15:52:00] haj: Beirdo: it was very silly not to make killall act like the UNIX-standard on Linux...
[15:52:00] mchou: I just tried it and it didnt work :(
[15:52:00] Beirdo: haj: yeah, I so agree :)
[15:52:00] directhex|work: mchou, what protocol do they use?
[15:53:00] Beirdo: it's a nice dangerous difference :)
[15:53:00] haj: Beirdo: on Solaris 8+ it dosn't kill all though..
[15:53:00] mchou: wma/rm
[15:53:00] mchou: directhex|work: ^^
[15:53:00] directhex|work: mchou, that's a format. i mean the actual protocol. is it http://, or something like mms:// ?
[15:53:00] haj: Beirdo: or, perhaps if run without arguments...
[15:53:00] Beirdo: haj: haven't tried it recently. I did it on a Sol7 box
[15:53:00] mchou: directhex|work: either (they provide both)
[15:54:00] haj: Beirdo: i think they put a check in it that checks if it's called by shutdown.
[15:54:00] haj: Beirdo: but i'm not sure :)
[15:54:00] Beirdo: ooooh, good plan
[15:54:00] directhex|work: mchou, mms:// urls can be downloaded with mimms
[15:54:00] mchou: directhex|work: mimms?
[15:54:00] directhex|work: mimms.
[15:54:00] mchou: is that a proggie
[15:54:00] Beirdo: mplayer will play (and hence record if you are careful) mms://
[15:55:00] Beirdo: with either rm or wma
[15:55:00] directhex|work: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mimms
[15:55:00] Beirdo: if it's compiled with them enabled
[15:55:00] mchou: Beirdo: I want to avoid real-time is the whole point
[15:55:00] Beirdo: ahhh, many streams won't let you
[15:55:00] Beirdo: unfortunately
[15:55:00] Beirdo: the server will only feed real-time
[15:55:00] mchou: bah, crapola
[15:56:00] Beirdo: especially BBC :(
[15:56:00] scottder: one other silly question
[15:56:00] Beirdo: hell, wget will do it for many if they aren't mms://
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[15:56:00] Beirdo: but real-time only
[15:56:00] scottder: where does one add a "recording group"
[15:57:00] mchou: directhex|work: so this mimms, must it be real-time?
[15:57:00] Beirdo: scottder: not sure, I think it's somewhere in the setup within the frontend
[15:57:00] Beirdo: but never tried
[15:59:00] mchou: directhex|work: hmms. looks like mimms is nice :)
[15:59:00] directhex|work: mchou, mms:// sorta requres realtime. that's the point of it
[16:00:00] haj: Question: What happens if MythTV runs out of CPU or I/O while grabbing a stream using a PVR* card?
[16:00:00] mchou: directhex|work: bah!!
[16:00:00] haj: How well does it handle such problems?
[16:00:00] mchou: directhex|work: this is oh so frustrating!!
[16:01:00] mchou: sigh, might have to resort to using kradio
[16:02:00] mchou: this is just lame, and no, that's not a pun
[16:03:00] juski: lol
[16:03:00] juski: bbc are now doing podcasts of a few shows.. expect a lot more in future ;-)
[16:04:00] mchou: juski: can you wget podcasts?
[16:04:00] juski: you can use podcast download tools.. don't think wget counts as one of them
[16:04:00] mchou: or is that "realtime" too?
[16:04:00] juski: from what I know about them.. some are torrent based aren't they?
[16:04:00] mchou: I mean wget in the figurative sense......
[16:04:00] directhex|work: podcasts are a flashy term for "rss feeds pointing to audio files"
[16:05:00] directhex|work: (or zipped audio files)
[16:05:00] juski: the bbc ones will be downloadable in one chunk as fast as youur connection allows
[16:05:00] Merlin83b: Eek, mythfrontend is now segfaulting on startup.
[16:05:00] mchou: directhex|work: yeah, which is kind of pointless......
[16:05:00] directhex|work: i'm partway through writing a tool to manage sony's PSP handheld console, the podcast bit is written & working
[16:05:00] mchou: if those audio files are pointing to mms://
[16:06:00] mchou: directhex|work: ^^
[16:06:00] directhex|work: mchou, on podcasts, they don't
[16:06:00] directhex|work: they're just .mp3, .mp4, .aac or .zip
[16:06:00] directhex|work: http://window1.apebox.org/wiki/images/e/e6/Screenshot.png
[16:06:00] mchou: directhex|work: you sure? not wma asf?
[16:07:00] directhex|work: mchou, rarely if ever, since they're for use mostly with ipods (which don't do wma)
[16:07:00] juski: nah most 'casts are in open formats
[16:07:00] mchou: well, that's good. PlaysforSure==PlaysOnlyATMSFT
[16:08:00] mchou: directhex|work: nice to the PSP.....
[16:09:00] directhex|work: mchou, right now i'm just trying to make a Free clone of sony's $20 software
[16:09:00] mchou: directhex|work: hehe
[16:09:00] directhex|work: the podcasting feature is the one most reviews say is worth the money, and it was also the easiest to write without ownning a PSP yet
[16:09:00] directhex|work: that & the CD ripping bit
[16:10:00] directhex|work: http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=thre . . . SP%20Manager
[16:10:00] mchou: directhex|work: that screen shot, is that some sick version of linuxified windoes? :)
[16:11:00] mchou: directhex|work: mozilla firefox/tbird and other unixy apps :)
[16:11:00] mchou: like gimp2
[16:12:00] directhex|work: mchou, some shots are from XP, some from XFCE4-on-AMD64-Debian
[16:12:00] directhex|work: mchou, it's a cross-platform app
[16:12:00] mchou: I was referring to this screenshot: http://window1.apebox.org/wiki/images/e/e6/Screenshot.png
[16:14:00] directhex|work: that's XP
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[16:23:00] scottder: Hmmm, font size in MythMusic is off
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[16:26:00] wjp79: hello.. my first time here on an irc channel...
[16:26:00] wjp79: got a question
[16:27:00] wjp79: is there an svn howto available somewhere...for mythtv
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[16:27:00] wjp79: I can't get mythplugins installed.
[16:28:00] Merlin83b: What error are you seeing, wjp79?
[16:30:00] wjp79: I followed the howto at www.abarbaccia.com Now I want to upgrade to svn
[16:30:00] wjp79: do i need to kill the backend etc?
[16:30:00] BloodHawk: wjp. The docs at mythtv.org have instructions for grabbing/compiling SVN.
[16:30:00] wjp79: everything seems to compile fine, but the mythplugins dont seems to get integrated
[16:30:00] BloodHawk: ah
[16:31:00] wjp79: just got 2 themes, no mythgame etc
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[16:31:00] wjp79: I was wandering if there was an ubuntu svn howto available somewhere?
[16:32:00] Beirdo: google might be able to help you with that question
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[16:33:00] wjp79: yes google is my friend too.. but it could not help me with this.. I[m not at my mythbox right now.. I get back with more details later
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[16:51:00] NHI: anyone knows if theres a xbmc mythtv script that works with svn ? got protocol errors cause it uses version 15
[16:56:00] juski: NHI: protocol is easy to change in the XBMC script
[16:57:00] Merlin83b: Dammit, how do I tell the frontend not to load up stuff?
[16:57:00] juski: XBMC myth live tv doesn't work too well with myth 0.18, and with SVN it won't work _at all_
[16:57:00] stuarta: merlin83b: don't install it.
[16:57:00] juski: Merlin83b: delete the directories?
[16:57:00] stuarta: AKA rm -rf
[16:57:00] Merlin83b: From where, juski?
[16:57:00] Merlin83b: It's installed and not working, I want it to stop (mythphone I'm currently blaming)
[16:58:00] juski: mythtv/plugins
[16:58:00] juski: usr/share or /usr/local/share I think
[16:59:00] Merlin83b: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythphone.so
[16:59:00] Merlin83b: Would be my guess.
[16:59:00] juski: if that doesn't work on its own.. find the objects
[16:59:00] stuarta: that's the one.
[16:59:00] Merlin83b: The stuff under share seems just to be translations
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[16:59:00] stuarta: plugins are a bit simple. find .so, load .so, init .so....
[17:00:00] juski: so anything with libmyth*.so, mythfrontend will go "aha" and load / initialise it
[17:00:00] juski: ?
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: And yay, it's not trying to make me phone people anymore.
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: And it's not segfaulting on startup.
[17:00:00] Merlin83b: Woo
[17:00:00] stuarta: juski: yep.
[17:01:00] stuarta: I'd love to know why mythdvd takes 10seconds to initialize.
[17:01:00] stuarta: Haven't been sufficiently motivated to find out tho.
[17:01:00] juski: only 10 seconds? tried mythmusic 0.18.1? ;-)
[17:01:00] juski: love how much improved the svn version is btw.. nice work
[17:01:00] stuarta: not since the first rude shock and how slow it was at navigating...
[17:02:00] stuarta: The only plugin I use is mythweb, and that doesn't 'plugin'
[17:02:00] juski: now all we need is a new UI for it, and to roll it up into the main app with mythvideo... common media player, perhaps?
[17:03:00] stuarta: did someone mention world domination again :-)
[17:03:00] juski: listen to music while setting up recordings etc...
[17:03:00] Merlin83b: Woo, fixed before gf gets home and TV is broken :-)
[17:03:00] juski: without running 2 instances of the frontend I mean ;-)
[17:03:00] juski: TV broken?
[17:04:00] stuarta: now something interesting would be dvb radio patch + visualizations....
[17:04:00] Merlin83b: Well, myth broken
[17:04:00] Merlin83b: Which nowadays is as good as.
[17:04:00] Merlin83b: Ordered my second tuner and new case and stuff last night.
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[17:06:00] stuarta: juski: I just have two screens. One for the frontend, one for debugging etc...
[17:06:00] johnp_: stuarta: We await your patch with interest :)
[17:07:00] ** stuarta whistles nonchantely and looks at the clouds... **
[17:08:00] stuarta: going to rebuild EIT first, with GreyFoxx & danielk
[17:08:00] stuarta: once upon a time I was planning interactive tv stuff.
[17:08:00] juski: roll everythingg up into one & I might put some audio feedback in
[17:08:00] Merlin83b: Oh, did GreyFoxx's EIT stop DVB jerking in general patch(/es) get into SVN?
[17:08:00] Merlin83b: Something did, I recall.
[17:08:00] juski: keypress <beep>
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[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: Merlin83b: No
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: just the eithelper patch I think
[17:09:00] stuarta: the one liner did
[17:09:00] Merlin83b: Oh crap, so the version I just built won't have it? Damn.
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[17:09:00] johnp_: I've got a whole list of submitted patches I want to apply radio,eit etc.
[17:09:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[17:10:00] Merlin83b: so eitcache still needs applying, GreyFoxx?
[17:10:00] GreyFoxx: yes
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[17:11:00] stuarta: 0.20 is going to be so much better than 0.19 will be I can tell.
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: root@myth:~/mythtv/mythtv# patch -p0 <eitcache_8612.patch
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: patching file libs/libmythtv/siparser.cpp
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n]
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: Looks like that update kept it :-)
[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: Merlin83b: Ahhh if you just did an svn up then you should be fine
[17:11:00] ** johnp_ has a bad feeling about 0.19 **
[17:11:00] Merlin83b: Phew :-)
[17:12:00] stuarta: johnp_: needs to be kicked about a bit more...
[17:12:00] juski: aye but for 0.20 'all' that needs to be done is re-write all the UI code... and...
[17:12:00] jams: yeah I often get a black screen when exiting a recording.
[17:13:00] johnp_: stuarta: sometimes I think yay it's going to be cool other times ......
[17:13:00] Merlin83b: Will it make another 11 months before release like 0.18.1 to 0.19 though!?
[17:13:00] jams: works fine on a combo be/fe but the frontend only will sometimes hang
[17:13:00] stuarta: checked trac lately? (ordered by milestone :)
[17:13:00] stuarta: johnp_: yeah, it's almost there, though 0.19-fixes will be busy....
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[17:19:00] Merlin83b: Ooh, yay. Ticket 942. That happens to me bigtime.
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[17:20:00] stuarta: later all
[17:20:00] Merlin83b: Glad to see it's assigned to 0.19 but I'll just grab the SVN when it's fixed :-)
[17:20:00] Merlin83b: Seeya stuarta.,
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[17:42:00] ** Kelerion likes february lots **
[17:42:00] Kelerion: all my invoices all sent out :) am a happy chappy now
[17:43:00] juski: shortest month of the year :) hate 5 week months
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[17:52:00] Kelerion: will be even happier when they are actually paid of course.. lol
[17:53:00] rjune: juski: as in 3 paycheck months?
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[17:55:00] juski: rjune: as in months with 5 weeks between paychecks ;-)
[17:56:00] rjune: ewww
[17:56:00] rjune: you get paid monthly then
[17:56:00] juski: yep
[17:56:00] rjune: I hated that part too
[17:56:00] rjune: luckily my customers all paid at different times
[17:56:00] rjune: some early on, some late
[17:57:00] Beirdo: muhahah
[17:58:00] Beirdo: I get paid when I invoice
[17:58:00] Beirdo: this time it was 4 months... sucky
[17:58:00] ivor: heh http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=0 . . . amp;from=rss
[18:00:00] juski: hometime
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: It's the "default" here to get paid biweekly. but my company just switched us to be on the 15th and last day of every month to make us the same as out US counterparts *sigh*
[18:04:00] GreyFoxx: I prefer biweekly
[18:07:00] rtsai: GreyFoxx: my company is biweekly (I think that's the default in the US, at least in my experience).
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[18:13:00] metalac: what's with the SuperBowl warning on wiki site?
[18:13:00] metalac: why can't anything be recorded after superbowl?
[18:15:00] Chutt: err, the schedule will be inaccurate.
[18:15:00] Chutt: since the game's going to stop whenever.
[18:15:00] metalac: ahhhh
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[18:20:00] Beirdo: SOOO true
[18:20:00] Beirdo: true for any NFL game
[18:21:00] Beirdo: the number of Simpsons (new episodes!), etc that I got as NFL games... grrr
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: heh I feel your pain brother
[18:22:00] GreyFoxx: I hate that
[18:22:00] Beirdo: I'm definitely NOT an NFL fan, and they preempt season premieres, etc for the end of the games
[18:22:00] Beirdo: Fox--
[18:23:00] GreyFoxx: I missed the last couple minutes of the start of the latest 24 cause of it :)
[18:23:00] Beirdo: the only thing the Superbowl interests me for is the commercials, and we don't get them in Canada
[18:23:00] Beirdo: yeah, me too
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[18:26:00] metalac: hey I've became the NFL fan this year :)
[18:26:00] metalac: with seattle in superbowl it's kinda hard not to be if you live in seattle :)
[18:26:00] Beirdo: heh
[18:26:00] metalac: you should see the town, hawk pictures and number 12s everywhere :)
[18:27:00] GreyFoxx: I don't like most televised sports. Going to live games and playing is fun, but watching on tv and the like I find incredibly boring
[18:28:00] Beirdo: but SO much cheaper
[18:28:00] Beirdo: especially if you are a Leafs fan (perish the thought!)
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[18:28:00] metalac: or if you live ina sportless town :)
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[18:28:00] Beirdo: heh, true
[18:29:00] Beirdo: I live like 2 blocks from where the Leafs and Raptors play
[18:29:00] Beirdo: never been to a game of either
[18:29:00] Beirdo: like 6 blocks from where the Blue Jays and Argos play... been to one Jays game in the last 2 years
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[18:54:00] Coume: hi all
[18:54:00] Beirdo: Oh no, it's Coume!
[18:55:00] Mytho-X: Beirdo: Leafs as in Mapleleafs?
[18:55:00] Beirdo: aye
[18:55:00] Coume: indeed Beirdo with new glasses :)
[18:56:00] Beirdo: I'm an Ottawa Senators fan, have been for years :)
[18:56:00] Mytho-X: cool, they are my favorite Canadian team
[18:56:00] Beirdo: and them leading the league doesn't hurt either
[18:56:00] Mytho-X: heh
[18:56:00] Beirdo: or nearly, haven't looked in a few days
[18:57:00] Mytho-X: me neither
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[18:58:00] Beirdo: almost time to wear the Sens jersey past the Air Canada Centre again a few times
[18:59:00] Beirdo: it's always fun to do that in the playoffs
[18:59:00] BloodHawk: Anyone (else) using a 6150 board with Myth?
[19:00:00] BloodHawk: Trying to find a good asound.conf.
[19:00:00] Mytho-X: i am sure it is
[19:03:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone here running SVN and have XRANDR support compiled in ?
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[19:09:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, I do likely
[19:10:00] GreyFoxx: Can you look in mythfrontend Setup->Appearance , page 2 and tell me if you see the "Seperate video Modes" option right after the "Use Gui size for playback" option ?
[19:11:00] GreyFoxx: I know for a fact I'm compiling with USING_XRANDR enabled and I can see it being passed in the call to gcc, but those config items never show up for me
[19:12:00] kormoc: I can't right now, not at home, but I was playing with the window settings last night and I do beleive it was there, aye
[19:12:00] GreyFoxx: I know I' ve seen it in the past, but now that I want to play with it the option is not showing up
[19:12:00] kormoc: I'm running not the latest svn
[19:13:00] kormoc: 8642 is mine
[19:13:00] GreyFoxx: I've been casually looking for it in the menus for a couple weeks, today is the first time I bothered to actually look in the code to see where the options were
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[19:18:00] juski: heh.. that superbowl comment has given me an idea
[19:19:00] juski: wimbledon time, world cup etc.. schedules all go to hell.. have to watch out for that this year, knowing how pissed off I get when stuff isn't shown at the right time
[19:20:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:20:00] Beirdo: same problem, different continent
[19:20:00] juski: enabling a pre & post roll of 640000 seconds isn't an option
[19:21:00] Beirdo: buy more disk :)
[19:21:00] juski: yeh, but I've not got a skip 10 mins button on my remote :-/
[19:21:00] juski: (yet)
[19:21:00] Beirdo: eek
[19:21:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: It looks like GetVideoModes() is failing for some reason causing the items to be skipped when drawing the menu
[19:22:00] GreyFoxx: I'd be curious later if you could check yours to be sure it's there
[19:22:00] juski: come to think about it, a few buttons are duplicated for WAF purposes
[19:23:00] Beirdo: you should get a "his" and "hers" remotes
[19:23:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:24:00] juski: lol
[19:25:00] juski: hers would just have the 'watch ITV' button then
[19:25:00] Beirdo: make sure to label a button "porn" on the "his"
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[19:28:00] doc__: hi there
[19:29:00] Beirdo: ahoy
[19:29:00] Nitro: boy nier
[19:29:00] doc__: mm does any one have a hauppauge wintv nota-t ?
[19:29:00] doc__: *nova
[19:30:00] Beirdo: I'm sure someone does
[19:30:00] juski: be hard to believe if they'd only ever sold one, to you, doc_ ;-)
[19:31:00] doc__: ;P
[19:31:00] doc__: nah... it's very strange... mythtv can't scan channels, but kaffeine does it...
[19:31:00] doc__: zap does too... mplayer && dvbgrab shows tv...
[19:33:00] Nitro: ill scan your channels
[19:33:00] doc__: ;P
[19:33:00] doc__: ill ?
[19:33:00] doc__: or I'll ?
[19:33:00] Nitro: Grammar nazi
[19:34:00] doc__: jsjs
[19:35:00] Beirdo: you illing?
[19:35:00] Nitro: I'm chilling
[19:50:00] doc__: jsjs
[19:52:00] juski: doc_: when you tried to scan in mythtv, did you enter an initial mux to scan from (transponder) ? helps if you do that
[19:54:00] juski: scanning DVB never worked well for me when I was trying SVN btw, but importing a channels.conf did
[19:56:00] xris: juski: wow. worked way better for me.
[19:56:00] xris: took a few tries, but it merged with my datadirect stuff like a charm.
[19:56:00] xris: granted, I'm in the US with an air2pc card... but it's dvb.
[19:57:00] Beirdo: driver-wise
[19:57:00] xris: yes
[19:57:00] xris: sorry, brain not working so well today.
[19:57:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:57:00] Beirdo: I know that feeling
[19:57:00] xris: headache + apparently didn't sleep well
[19:57:00] Beirdo: I walked half-way to work before I realized I forgot my wallet AND my dayplanner at home
[19:57:00] xris: my nice raise isn't even cheering me up as much as it should. heh.
[19:58:00] Beirdo: so walked back home, got them, then walked to work again
[19:58:00] Beirdo: so much for being on time
[19:58:00] xris: ouch
[19:58:00] Beirdo: I can use the extra mile and a half walk though
[20:00:00] xris: heh
[20:00:00] doc__: juski: uh ?
[20:00:00] doc__: juski: uh... mmm...
[20:02:00] doc__: juski: mm not... Status: tuning no lock
[20:02:00] doc__: :/
[20:03:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:02:45.314 DVB#0 WARNING – Status: NO LOCK!
[20:03:00] doc__: juski: how can I import channels.conf from zap ?
[20:06:00] rtsai: doc__: mythtv-setup (svn) has a UI for importing channels.conf
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[20:07:00] doc__: rtsai: ops
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[20:07:00] doc__: rtsai: mmm does mythtv-svn works with 0.18 ?
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[20:09:00] kormoc: doc__, no
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[20:10:00] juski: doc_: look in a channels.conf you got from a dvbscan
[20:10:00] juski: take the parameters from one of the lines in that & use some of them as initial tuning parameters for mythtv's scanner
[20:11:00] doc__: aha, thanks
[20:12:00] [Mr_Frenchie]: re
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[20:22:00] doc__: right.. i found script for taking channels.conf into mythv, but i get the following in mythbackend
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.396 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.515 DVB#0 DVB SI Table Parser Started
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.578 DVB#0 Using DVB card 0, with frontend Conexant CX22702 DVB-T.
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.625 DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.644 DVB#0 ERROR – Failed to get channel options for channel .
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.649 DVB#0 Recorder: Card opened successfully (using TS mode).
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:33.657 DVB#0 ERROR – No PIDS set, please correct your channel setup.
[20:22:00] doc__: 2006-02–01 20:21:34.664 DVB#0 WARNING – No data from card in 1 second.
[20:25:00] doc__: erm nothing..
[20:26:00] juski: doc_ use a pastebin
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[20:26:00] juski: next time, I mean
[20:26:00] doc__: sorry...
[20:28:00] juski: doc_: do you have phpmyadmin installed? or webmin?
[20:28:00] doc__: mmm... i can install it, but right, mythscan recognized many channels...
[20:28:00] doc__: just setting initial conf data
[20:29:00] juski: just something I'd like you to check. there's a table called dtv_multiplex.. verify that the networkid & transportid columns aren't zero for any of your muxes
[20:29:00] juski: you can get the info on what they should be from the dvbscan app
[20:30:00] _willcooke_: gah, sound juicer is terrible
[20:30:00] juski: not kidding!
[20:30:00] juski: I use Itunes.. at least all its CD DB stuff is spelled properly ;-)
[20:31:00] _willcooke_: ctrl-v for paste right? So you can paste in a track name? Wrong!!! It does "previous track". Great!
[20:31:00] juski: shift-ctrl-v isn't it?
[20:31:00] _willcooke_: for paste, or previous track?
[20:31:00] juski: paste, in some linux apps
[20:32:00] _willcooke_: is it? Thats my microsoft side shining through! ;)
[20:32:00] juski: being 'blessed' with windows on my desktop machine (for editing) I use mediamonkey for all my tagging duties
[20:33:00] juski: just about got all of my mp3s up to scratch now, when it's all done I'm gonna wipe mythmusic out & do it all again
[20:34:00] _willcooke_: I'm importing all my cd's in to mythmusic atm, booooooooring tedious job, but well worth it once I'm done
[20:34:00] juski: I've spent a few weekends on this already
[20:34:00] _willcooke_: the bugger is that the dvd on my myth fe won't read some cd's. grrrr.
[20:34:00] juski: ouch
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[20:35:00] _willcooke_: they're all legit too.
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[20:35:00] juski: some of my DJ CDs had to be recorded from my Denon digital output.. they won't read in any other mech
[20:35:00] juski: too many drunken nights
[20:35:00] _willcooke_: :)
[20:36:00] _willcooke_: Doing Arctic Monkeys atm, pretty good album!
[20:36:00] juski: vinyl lasts longer than CD in a club
[20:36:00] juski: ;-)
[20:36:00] _willcooke_: ya cant beat vinyl!
[20:36:00] _willcooke_: In my new house I
[20:36:00] _willcooke_: 'll have room to get my decks out again
[20:36:00] _willcooke_: woo!
[20:37:00] Beirdo: vinyl has its issues too
[20:37:00] juski: I took my home-made mix station down a while back
[20:37:00] Beirdo: lack of dynamic range for instance
[20:37:00] _willcooke_: wider frequency response tho
[20:37:00] juski: Beirdo: since when does anyone actually use the dynamic range of CD though?
[20:37:00] Beirdo: juski: you must not listen to any classical music :)
[20:37:00] juski: ahh
[20:38:00] juski: the only classical CDs I've got are allegedly DDD but I can hear hiss
[20:38:00] _willcooke_: ya can't beat vinyl for a thumping bass line!
[20:38:00] Beirdo: meh
[20:38:00] _willcooke_: :)
[20:38:00] Beirdo: much of that's preemphasis
[20:38:00] juski: CD bass is erm... like a fart in a jar
[20:38:00] Beirdo: not if done right
[20:38:00] juski: yeh, but when is it done right? ;-)
[20:39:00] Beirdo: many mastering companies do a crap job, granted
[20:39:00] _willcooke_: juski, have you noticed Radio1 is sounding really bad recently? Like low bit rate mp3's
[20:39:00] juski: that said I've heard some shite vinyls too
[20:39:00] mark0: HI, I have problemes with setup mythtv-0.18.1 and my DVB-S howto add my dvb-s card? I go to mythtv-setup -> 2. Capture card -New capture card -> select DVB – got correct Card name , Card type but when i click on Finish I get Capture Cards – New Capture Card
[20:39:00] juski: yeh.. radio one is lacking in high frequencies & sounds very muddy
[20:39:00] Beirdo: vinyl is still sweet though
[20:39:00] Beirdo: but both vinyl and CDs have their good and bad points
[20:39:00] juski: essential selection last friday sounded like er... musicam over POTS
[20:40:00] _willcooke_: plus it's got that added nerd factor which we alll love
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[20:40:00] Beirdo: oh, vinyl has the geek factor going :)
[20:40:00] juski: gonna buy a proper turntable one day... none of that sl1210 crap
[20:40:00] _willcooke_: ooh, recorded essential mix using the dvb radio patch, well pleased with that
[20:41:00] _willcooke_: 1210 = crap ?? You've never used gemini! :)
[20:41:00] juski: I mean I'm gonna get a hifi turntable
[20:41:00] juski: 1210s are too noisy
[20:42:00] juski: despite weighing 10 kilos they still ring
[20:42:00] juski: and don't put them anywhere near speakers if you like them loud
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[20:43:00] juski: actually I could buy a 32" LCD telly if I sold my Technics
[20:43:00] _willcooke_: :) You'd regret not having them tho'!
[20:43:00] juski: that's what my wife says
[20:44:00] juski: when would I regret it? Djing is literally the un-coolest thing in the world
[20:44:00] doc__: gjjj...
[20:44:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:44:00] Beirdo: some people would thoroughly disagree, juski
[20:44:00] juski: depends what level they're at, Beirdo ;-)
[20:44:00] Beirdo: but of course, they are un-cool
[20:44:00] doc__: juski: erm... mmm... mythscan works right... after, i exec /etc/cron.daily/mythfilldatabase and later... i get the same log from myth-backend ;/
[20:45:00] _willcooke_: I'm still under the misaprehention (sp?) that one day I'll play creamfields!
[20:45:00] doc__: no pids set... :?
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[20:45:00] juski: _willcooke_: get a gig at garlands & I'll come dance
[20:45:00] juski: the magic started to go for me with all this everybody watch the DJ shit
[20:46:00] juski: doc__: well... do you have networkid & transportid set in the database?
[20:46:00] doc__: juski: mmm where are them ?
[20:46:00] _willcooke_: juski, never made it to garlands, did cream loads and then got bored with the whole thing, starting to wish I was still a young-un', he says no quite 30.
[20:46:00] juski: in the dtv_multiplex table
[20:47:00] doc__: juski: i have 5 rows in that table
[20:47:00] juski: _willcooke_: I went to Garlands on bonfire night last year.. I was a total cynic about clubbing then(felt too old etc) but that night made me love clubbing again
[20:47:00] ** _willcooke_ feels old when he goes to clubs now **
[20:48:00] _willcooke_: went to Egg in Camden about 4 months ago, felt very old in there
[20:48:00] doc__: juski: http://www.docky.org/~doc/myth.log
[20:48:00] juski: doc__: yerrrrs, but what are in those rows? if the networkid column has any zeros in it, it's not good
[20:49:00] juski: doc__: I see you have 'auto' in some columns... that doesn't always work
[20:49:00] doc__: juski: aha
[20:49:00] doc__: juski: right, so ... could it work with only a row ?
[20:50:00] juski: doc__: if you have 'auto' selected instead of say 2/3 for FEC and so on – that could be the problem
[20:50:00] doc__: aha...
[20:50:00] juski: scan again but this time fill out the fields more
[20:51:00] doc__: mmm is there to delete rows ?
[20:51:00] juski: use as much data from the channels.conf as you can
[20:51:00] doc__: or mythtv detects last one ?
[20:51:00] juski: mythtv detects them from the one mux you give it details for
[20:52:00] doc__: juski: mmm right...so ... in the url i gave you, there is a ...DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0
[20:52:00] doc__: juski: so, transport 0 in log is the transport field in mysql, right ?
[20:53:00] juski: dunno
[20:53:00] doc__: dunno ? my english isn't very good :)
[20:53:00] juski: I think it would be transportid
[20:54:00] doc__: aha
[20:54:00] juski: mplex 1 looks a little bit wrong. I don't know for sure though
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[20:55:00] juski: look in the channel table to see if any channels are using mplexid 1
[20:57:00] juski: select * from channel where mplexid = 1
[20:57:00] juski: time for a break
[20:58:00] doc__: yup, there are channels, but there isn't any with id = 3
[20:58:00] doc__: hehe ...
[21:01:00] doc__: right, mythback-end works... but frontend not
[21:01:00] doc__: gjjj
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[21:26:00] laga: so i've got mythburn-ui up and running.
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[21:34:00] haj: if i setup my system using a seperate transcoding backend, what will happen if that backend is offline and a job needs transcoding? will it get queued ?
[21:34:00] laga: yep
[21:34:00] laga: well, at least that's how it's supposed to work.
[21:35:00] sphing: haj... let me know I'm interested in doing that
[21:35:00] haj: then, i should be able to boot a transcoding backend every night, and make it shut down when done... perhaps.. ?
[21:35:00] sphing: haj... i'm sure you can have it execute a command on finish
[21:36:00] sphing: *pretty sure, not certain
[21:36:00] haj: sphing: i don't even have a tvcard yet... :) but i'm going to setup myth in a couple of weeks :)
[21:36:00] sphing: ah... well then I'll probably let you know how if it works ;)
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[21:36:00] haj: sphing: the documentation on how the backends communicates are hard to find, i think :)
[21:36:00] GreyFoxx: there isn't any official stuff other than the source
[21:37:00] laga: darn, wiki.mythtv.org looks awesome.
[21:37:00] haj: anyway, since i'm going to use a VIA C3 1.2GHz for my master, it would be a lot cooler just to auto-boot my AMD X2 3800+ at nighttime :)
[21:37:00] haj: and use that.
[21:37:00] haj: laga: ah.
[21:39:00] laga: i wonder if you can somehow access the jobqueue outside of mythtv.
[21:40:00] haj: i could properly look in the db
[21:41:00] Beirdo: mythjobqueue
[21:41:00] haj: Beirdo: isn't that just the daemon that runs whats in the queue?
[21:41:00] Beirdo: it's used when you don't run a backend
[21:42:00] haj: Beirdo: but, will a transcode job get queued if the backend that does transcoding is offline?
[21:42:00] Beirdo: and only runds the queue
[21:42:00] haj: okay.. thats about what i want.
[21:42:00] Beirdo: it should
[21:42:00] Beirdo: I've never tested that, but it should
[21:42:00] haj: if i only transcode at nighttime, will i be able to look at the recordings before they get transcoded ?
[21:42:00] Beirdo: you likely have to run the mythtv-setup first to setup a backend instance on the machine, then run mythjobqueue instead of the backend
[21:44:00] haj: it's a wonderful system :o)
[21:44:00] haj: i think, and i don't even run it yet :)
[21:45:00] doc__: right...
[21:45:00] doc__: juski: all is working right, thank you very much :)))))
[21:46:00] haj: oh well, i'll away a bit.
[21:46:00] haj: Beirdo: thank you :)
[21:46:00] haj: laga: and thank you too :)
[21:47:00] Beirdo: not a problem
[21:48:00] haj: can't wait to set it up.. sadly i have to empty out a room closer to my cable wall outlet.. and someone is living in it for 14 days more ;)
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[21:49:00] haj: i don't wanna use 50 feet of wire.. :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: nothing a little eviction couldn't fix
[21:49:00] haj: oh, gotta go.. :)
[21:49:00] snakeplissken: is there a way to currently watch live tv from a mythbackend on windows?
[21:50:00] juski: doc__:glad to be of some help
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[21:50:00] laga: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.19&nbs p;– stuff that 0.18.1 users can look forward to :)
[21:50:00] juski: I just couldn't resist it.. had to be naughty and watch that '24' someone sent me
[21:51:00] akaias: i am trying to get myth woking with the snapstream firefly. I found a site that got it working and posted all revalent config files. I however am having problems, when I try to run irw /dev/lircd I keep getting permission denied. i recompiled it and load appropriate modules. i'm stuck.
[21:52:00] juski: laga: look forward to? some people have been salivating for months :)
[21:52:00] akaias: this is a X10 remote so I do have ati_remote compile into the kernel
[21:52:00] GreyFoxx: snakeplissken: I'm not sure if winmyth does livetv or not. though many find winmyth to be pretty flaky as it is
[21:52:00] snakeplissken: no winmyth ( actually dsmyth ) cannot do live tv till 0.19
[21:53:00] juski: winmyth does do livetv, but if it crashes it just about takes a restart of the backend to stop the recording
[21:53:00] laga: juski: hehe :)
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[21:54:00] snakeplissken: juski: how did you get live tv working?
[21:54:00] juski: why didn't they just do some magic with python with gtk or something? it'd look crappy but it might actually work
[21:54:00] juski: snakeplissken: if worked for like 30 seconds.. then crashed my backend
[21:54:00] juski: tried again, then it just crashed.. had to restart the backend
[21:55:00] snakeplissken: kk thats what i thought .. i didnt know if you had it working good or not
[21:55:00] sphing: i turn away for a second and i miss like 2 pages of text
[21:55:00] sphing: ugh
[21:55:00] kristok: i'm thinking about building a front/backend combo with a turion processor, anyone here done that?
[21:55:00] juski: so erm.. you know everything I've ever said about the evil of the fox network & everything murdoch owns? 24 kinda makes me want to take some of it back ;-)
[21:56:00] sphing: juski you just discovered 24?
[21:56:00] juski: nope... gave series 3 a miss though
[21:56:00] sphing: wow... thats was like number 2
[21:57:00] juski: I've just discovered that it's in dolby digital, unlike on UK tv... which is nice
[21:57:00] kormoc: I watched series #1, and it was good, but 2 I didn't get into
[21:57:00] juski: series four was like... !!!
[21:58:00] sphing: which was the one with the bio agent
[21:58:00] juski: and the 1st episode of series 5... great stuff.
[21:58:00] juski: series 3
[21:58:00] juski: Zzzzz
[21:58:00] sphing: 3 was amazing
[21:58:00] kormoc: I think a lot of it had to do with the fact I just didn't care about the people
[21:58:00] sphing: 3 could be the best....
[21:58:00] kormoc: none of the chars really enguaged me at all
[21:58:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:59:00] sphing: kormoc... if jack bauer asked me for my only liver... i'd give it to him
[21:59:00] juski: have to say though.. nothing really has the impact of seeing jack scan a recently severed digit on his PDA
[21:59:00] sphing: i love the terminology.... i'll open a socket here there and everywhere
[22:00:00] juski: notice they're not using windows on their terminals though... something about them needing to be secure, perhaps? ;-)
[22:01:00] sphing: what good is computer security if every season has a mole?
[22:01:00] juski: if CTU was as tight as a drum it'd be less fun, fair play
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[22:17:00] Tuplink: /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include/qsqldatabase.h:63: warning: ‘class QSqlDriverCreatorBase’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
[22:17:00] Tuplink: is this a prob?
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[22:17:00] juski: nah
[22:17:00] juski: it'll still compile okay
[22:18:00] juski: and if it breaks, it won't be that error that has anything to do with it
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[22:18:00] juski: errors are errors. warnings are.. well, just warnings – so I've been told
[22:18:00] Beirdo: usually :)
[22:18:00] Tuplink: ok... well its compiling for the 3rd time today... and ill exxpress my prob once its instaled
[22:19:00] Beirdo: in some cases, warnings can be indicative of problems you will see. I doubt that one's terribly crippling though
[22:19:00] Beirdo: it will likely just be fine
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[22:19:00] Tuplink: well... its not
[22:19:00] Tuplink: it wont conect to the MYSQL server
[22:20:00] GreyFoxx: That error wouldn't likely have anything to do with tit
[22:20:00] juski: but that's got f.a. to do with that error ;-)
[22:20:00] Tuplink: on LOCALHOST 127.0.0.1 or a remote server
[22:20:00] Tuplink: thats ok.. i thought it was just a warning, and only that but... still dont work
[22:21:00] mlehrer: can mythtv handle an rtsp stream, assuming it is using a compatible codec like mpeg2
[22:21:00] juski: Tuplink: is the mysql server running? do you have a user with privileges attached to the mythconverg database?
[22:21:00] Tuplink: YES....
[22:21:00] juski: is mythtv configured to connect to the DB with the right username & password?
[22:22:00] Tuplink: tryed the .sql on 2 boxes
[22:22:00] Tuplink: users are there
[22:22:00] Tuplink: can loginto them from command
[22:22:00] Tuplink: mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -u mythtv -p
[22:22:00] Beirdo: pastebin the exact errors you get once you try, maybe we can give pointers
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[22:22:00] Tuplink: ok...
[22:23:00] Tuplink: it dosnnt give an error
[22:23:00] juski: otherwise people have to ask questions that make you feel dumb ;-)
[22:23:00] Tuplink: says somthing like mysql didnt report any errors: ODD
[22:23:00] Tuplink: but ill give you the exact when its done
[22:24:00] Tuplink: i even upgraded QT thinking it might fix that warning
[22:24:00] Tuplink: but no go
[22:24:00] Tuplink: hehe
[22:24:00] juski: what version of QT?
[22:24:00] Tuplink: so.... mythtv is kool so i see and hear want to get it to work
[22:25:00] Tuplink: 3.3.4
[22:25:00] juski: that's ok then.. thought for a terrible minute you were gonna say 4.something
[22:25:00] Tuplink: brb potty break
[22:26:00] Tuplink: back
[22:26:00] Tuplink: i have a q for all...
[22:26:00] juski: you got one of 'them' seats or something?
[22:26:00] Tuplink: is their any good PCMCIA tuners or USB?
[22:26:00] juski: on 2nd thoughts I don't wanna know... that was quick, is all
[22:26:00] Tuplink: just had to P
[22:26:00] juski: USB tuner support in linux is a bit tricky
[22:27:00] juski: tricky to find out what's supported
[22:27:00] Tuplink: well... i want tpo use this laptop... PCI in laptop is a bit tricky 2
[22:28:00] juski: laptop aside, I'd go for building a cheap old box up into a backend with pvr cards
[22:29:00] juski: then just run the frontend on the laptop, able to access everything from a network connection
[22:30:00] juski: probably easier than the roulette of finding a usb/pcmcia tuner with linux drivers
[22:30:00] laga: usb? plextor convertX?
[22:30:00] juski: oh yeah
[22:30:00] Tuplink: well.. the only other computer i have is my gaming computer
[22:30:00] juski: duh
[22:31:00] Tuplink: and i cant take winblows off of it
[22:31:00] juski: my backend was built out of spares & hand-me-downs
[22:31:00] sphing: Tuplink: if you're willing to invest in a decent pvr card, you can create a backend from a pretty old machine
[22:32:00] Tuplink: like how old?
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[22:32:00] juski: like pentium 2 old
[22:32:00] Tuplink: like 600 MHZ
[22:32:00] juski: so long as it supports big disks you'd be ok
[22:32:00] Tuplink: hum....
[22:32:00] sphing: Tuplink: my backend is a p3–500
[22:32:00] Beirdo: and does DMA to the drives well
[22:32:00] sphing: with 256 sdram
[22:33:00] laga: my backend is a athlon 700
[22:33:00] Tuplink: what kind of tuner?
[22:33:00] sphing: hauppauge 250..
[22:33:00] Beirdo: PVR-250 :)
[22:33:00] Tuplink: whats that run. $
[22:33:00] sphing: they key is with an old box, you need a hardware encoding
[22:33:00] sphing: you can get a dual tuner, pvr-500 for like $120 if i'm not mistaken
[22:33:00] Beirdo: or PVR-150 for that matter
[22:33:00] juski: Tuplink: pvr-250 has been superceded by pvr-150 now...
[22:33:00] Beirdo: for single tuner
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[22:33:00] Beirdo: either should work
[22:34:00] juski: on offer this week I believe
[22:34:00] Tuplink: now here is a q?
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[22:35:00] Tuplink: i have a card that recives VGA from VID CARD and changes it to SVID DVI and aomthing els... maybe not but it has a DIVx Encoder dose that count?
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[22:35:00] juski: Tuplink: if it don't got linux drivers it's no good
[22:35:00] juski: and if those drivers aren't v4l compliant (or ivtv compliant).. no dice
[22:36:00] sphing: mmm... how hard would it be on the cpu to get a cheapo tuner and spit the output onto those divx hardware encoders
[22:36:00] juski: sphing: probably not worth the effort
[22:37:00] juski: biggest problem with cheapo tuners is putting uncompressed video onto the PCI bus
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[22:38:00] sphing: cause, man if you could you could have a divx encoded stream, with like 0% on the cpu
[22:38:00] Beirdo: well, that and the CPU to encode it to something else
[22:38:00] doc__: re...
[22:38:00] doc__: is possible to get epg guide from dvb-t ?
[22:38:00] juski: doc__: yup
[22:38:00] Beirdo: if it's there
[22:39:00] juski: in 0.18 set 'useonairguide' to 1 for all the channels
[22:39:00] doc__: juski: mm
[22:39:00] ** doc__ looking **
[22:39:00] juski: or do it in the channel editor
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[22:40:00] sphing: Beirdo: why would you want it in something else
[22:41:00] Beirdo: other than raw video?
[22:41:00] Beirdo: I dunno, drive space?
[22:41:00] sphing: ... no i mean divx
[22:41:00] juski: and divx looks erm... crap
[22:41:00] Beirdo: not always, juski
[22:41:00] Tuplink: its a RealMagic XCard
[22:41:00] Tuplink: probably has to be on the tuner
[22:42:00] Tuplink: 2006-02–01 17:14:01.534 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[22:42:00] Tuplink: 2006-02–01 17:14:01.534 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[22:42:00] Tuplink: did you all get what i just paisted
[22:42:00] sphing: anyone know how the new divx format is looking for linux support
[22:42:00] sphing: Tuplink: post to pastebin.com
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[22:42:00] juski: oh... Tuplink: that'll be qt built without sql support then
[22:43:00] Tuplink: http://pastebin.com/534571
[22:44:00] Tuplink: huh?
[22:44:00] Led-Hed: Beirdo: you still using an ATI video card?
[22:44:00] Beirdo: yes
[22:44:00] Beirdo: why wouldn't I be?
[22:44:00] Led-Hed: do you use mythgame at all?
[22:44:00] Beirdo: no
[22:44:00] Beirdo: the only thing I used it for was to launch a java game
[22:44:00] Tuplink: juski ? what do you mean?
[22:45:00] Led-Hed: I cant get my ATI 8500 to work with XMame-Xv
[22:45:00] juski: Tuplink: that's what those errors look like to me
[22:45:00] Led-Hed: only in OpenGL
[22:45:00] Tuplink: so... how do i fix it?
[22:45:00] Tuplink: qt is a rpb
[22:45:00] Tuplink: rpm*
[22:45:00] juski: get the dependencies mythtv needs ;-)
[22:46:00] Beirdo: dunno, I don't do anything but myth on my myth box. no xmame for me, and I got the 9200SE, then the 9600pro working with myth, that's all I cared about
[22:46:00] juski: you got the source for it, or it wouldn't have compiled
[22:46:00] Led-Hed: I was just curious, you are the only person I know that is using an ATI card.
[22:47:00] Tuplink: juski...... and what would that be... im on redhat... i used the guide
[22:47:00] laga: Beirdo: any news on the gputranscode project? :)
[22:47:00] juski: Tuplink: no idea what redhat calls it
[22:47:00] Beirdo: not at this time, laga
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[22:47:00] Beirdo: AFTER I get married and move, etc... maybe there's a better chance to have time
[22:48:00] Tuplink: well fedora 4
[22:48:00] laga: Beirdo: i'll nag you again in a year or so, if you don't mind :)
[22:48:00] BloodHawk: anyone using a 6150 board?
[22:48:00] Beirdo: I hope to get moving on it before that, but sure
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[22:49:00] laga: Beirdo: BTW, i found your name in some mythburn script – looks like they borrowed some mpeg2 transcoding code from you :)
[22:49:00] Beirdo: they are welcome to it ;)
[22:50:00] laga: hehe
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[22:50:00] Beirdo: open source is cool that way
[22:51:00] laga: yep!
[22:51:00] Tuplink: so no ideas on what im missing?
[22:51:00] Beirdo: well, time for me to head home in a couple minutes :)
[22:51:00] Beirdo: YAY
[22:51:00] Beirdo: ah screw it, I'll go now
[22:52:00] laga: bye
[22:52:00] Tuplink: this sux
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[22:54:00] BloodHawk: How can I force 4 channel audio?
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[22:56:00] Led-Hed: LOL, Beirdo thinks he's gonna have more time after he gets married... Man is he in for a shocker!
[22:57:00] abarbaccia: hello all – i've heard of people having success with the pvr-150 ir blaster --- anybody willing to help me out?
[22:58:00] Led-Hed: sure, build a Lirc homebrew serial IR reciever..
[22:58:00] Led-Hed: sorry that was rude
[22:58:00] laga: shame on you
[22:58:00] Led-Hed: ;)
[22:59:00] abarbaccia: hahaa – i got plenty of those – itw ould just be nice to have the one included actually working
[22:59:00] ** Led-Hed just likes the serial reciever because he can mount it inside his cases easier **
[22:59:00] abarbaccia: Led-Hed, but i'm talking about a serial IR transmitter
[22:59:00] Led-Hed: an IR blaster?
[22:59:00] abarbaccia: it needs to go on a cable box
[22:59:00] abarbaccia: yep
[23:00:00] Led-Hed: ahh, I have no need/experience for those
[23:00:00] abarbaccia: theres one included with the pvr-150, and people have recently started getting them working
[23:00:00] ** Led-Hed only uses basic cable **
[23:01:00] Led-Hed: thats cool, check the gossamer mythtv archives
[23:01:00] abarbaccia: i think im just gonna wait for it to get put into lirc (hopefully by the time .19 comes out) and then i'll redo my boxes complete
[23:01:00] abarbaccia: ly
[23:02:00] Led-Hed: dont hold your breath on 0.19
[23:02:00] abarbaccia: oh no?
[23:02:00] Led-Hed: havent we been on 0.18.1 for almost a year now?
[23:02:00] Chutt: try 6 months.
[23:02:00] abarbaccia: yeah
[23:02:00] abarbaccia: not even
[23:02:00] abarbaccia: i saw some relase notes for it theo ther day
[23:02:00] Led-Hed: maybe it just seems longer.
[23:02:00] Chutt: and there's only one or two bugs gating 0.19 at the moment.
[23:02:00] mlehrer: 0.19 should be out in q1 at least
[23:03:00] mlehrer: "when it's ready" i guess
[23:03:00] Led-Hed: I'm not complaining. its just that the releases seemed to come out faster back in the 0.13 – 0.16 days
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[23:04:00] scottder: I have my remote working within MythTV fine (may do some twwaking, but it does work), do I need to hack ~/.lircrc to get it to work with mplayer?
[23:04:00] doc__: juski: erm... excuse me...
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[23:06:00] Led-Hed: scottder: if you want it to behave similar to the other myth controls yes
[23:06:00] Led-Hed: jarod wilson's site explains it a bit.
[23:06:00] scottder: Ok I see some setting in the lirrc I have that for xine, but not mplayer
[23:07:00] scottder: maybe I'll just use xine for laying videos as well..
[23:07:00] Led-Hed: good choice
[23:07:00] Led-Hed: thats what I do also
[23:08:00] Led-Hed: though I havent figured out how to get Xine to do Fast Rewind. Only Jump backward xx seconds
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[23:13:00] ExUser1: Hello
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[23:14:00] Yellow-Snow: Can anyone help me?
[23:16:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, sorry, your problem is way beyond any of us in here.
[23:16:00] scopeuk: giv you a hint
[23:17:00] scopeuk: ask a questio nsee if its answered
[23:17:00] Yellow-Snow: lol yea =\ i don't know where to start
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[23:17:00] scopeuk: well give it a go
[23:17:00] kormoc: well, you might want to describe the problem
[23:18:00] Yellow-Snow: ok problem.. i blow when it comes to linux
[23:18:00] stevenm: Hello. Whenever I enagle MergedFB on my ATI card (radeon driver) mythtv plays video too FAST
[23:18:00] Yellow-Snow: and more then likely you will say the answer is give up
[23:18:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, so you want someone to walk you though the install?
[23:18:00] stevenm: Live TV plays about 2x as fast as it should, then pauses for audio to catch up. Recorded TV plays 2X all the time. This is only with MergedFB. How can this be fixed?
[23:19:00] Arkkis: hey, after I installed a new videocard, mplayer has had a blue border on topleft corner of all videos
[23:19:00] Arkkis: how can I get rid of it, or turn the color to black?
[23:19:00] Arkkis: "whole top and left sides" that is
[23:19:00] Yellow-Snow: yea basically.... i know windows very well but never learned linux.. i already installed KnoppMyth and ran through the backend setup but i think i did it all wrong
[23:20:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, did you follow the documents on mythtv's website?
[23:20:00] Yellow-Snow: i tried.. idk what was installed with knoppmyth and what wasent.. seem mysql was insatlled and such
[23:21:00] kormoc: stevenm, I don't think it's fixable, as it's a driver bug
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[23:21:00] Yellow-Snow: and i have around been working on it for about 3 days.. that is finally getting it to boot from cd.. not crashing at 91% ect..
[23:21:00] stevenm: kormoc, is there any more information on this?
[23:22:00] kormoc: stevenm, not really... I just know it started happening a few revisions back with the ati driver, and only on the secondary head (at least for myself)
[23:22:00] tweak_st: maybe you could try rolling back to the driver that worked fine?
[23:23:00] tweak_st: if it is a driver problem...
[23:24:00] tweak_st: or you could go on their forum and beg for a fix...
[23:24:00] stevenm: happens on both heads for me. only with mergedfb. with a different dualhead setup (2 monitor sections, 2 screens, 2 driver sections) myth works fine, only with this configuration I cant use xrandr to turn off the second monitor when needed
[23:25:00] kormoc: stevenm, you could switch to seperate x sessions with xinerama enabled, which would do the same thing as mergedfb
[23:25:00] kormoc: but that's odd that it's different for you. What ati card do you have?
[23:25:00] Yellow-Snow: does ati tv wonder (usb) work with mythtv?
[23:26:00] stevenm: kormoc, I have Radeon Mobility M9000
[23:26:00] kormoc: stevenm, odd, I'm using a 9000 agp here.
[23:26:00] stevenm: kormoc, 2 X sessions means 2 X servers?
[23:27:00] kormoc: stevenm, nope
[23:27:00] stevenm: kormoc, how would you set that up? Two monitor/screen/driver sections?
[23:27:00] scopeuk: ok this is going to sound like an odd request but is it possible for a windows system to be linked into a myth tv back end for rencoding purposes
[23:27:00] kormoc: stevenm, yup
[23:28:00] stevenm: kormoc, yes, I have this setup as well, in a different file. Only with this setup I cannot use xrandr to switch the second monitor on and off on the fly
[23:28:00] juski: scopeuk: you can pull files from a myth backend & recode them easily enough, but automating it might be a pig
[23:28:00] stevenm: kormoc, is there a way to, using this setup, arbitrarily turn off the second monitor without restarting X?
[23:28:00] scopeuk: if i can do it from comand line i can script it
[23:29:00] juski: scopeuk: one question: why? more cpu on your windows box or something?
[23:29:00] kormoc: stevenm, http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf.ati
[23:29:00] scopeuk: yes
[23:29:00] scopeuk: my windows box approx 20times mroe powerfull than my backend box
[23:29:00] kormoc: stevenm, well, with that setup, you could use xrandr to do whatever as if it was a margedfb
[23:30:00] scopeuk: well will be this is a theoretical setup so far
[23:30:00] stevenm: kormoc, ah, thanks... only I use 'radeon' driver instead of 'fglrx'
[23:30:00] scopeuk: to be tested this weekend
[23:30:00] stevenm: kormoc, fglrx for me only works with 32 bit color and mythtv on it displays at 1 frame per second or so
[23:30:00] kormoc: stevenh, odd. I didn't think the radeon driver supported mergedfb...
[23:31:00] stevenm: kormoc, apparently it does
[23:31:00] kormoc: very odd indeed.
[23:31:00] stevenm: kormoc, yea, mythtv is SLOOOOOOW on fglrx. plus until recently it wouldn't suspend
[23:32:00] juski: scopeuk: it'd be far from easy to automate it. I'd opt for upgrading the backend if it's that big a need
[23:32:00] kormoc: yeah, I donno if I can really help out much then, given I don't really know anything about the radeon driver, nor the oddness of your chip, sorry
[23:33:00] stevenm: kormoc, well thanks for the file. I will restart X now and test
[23:33:00] scopeuk: back en is the ever mythical "spare hardware"
[23:33:00] stevenm: kormoc, and thanks for the help... i come back soon, if this doesn't die
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[23:33:00] scopeuk: thansk for the advice any way
[23:34:00] juski: scopeuk: just plonk a big disk in it.. less hassle ;-)
[23:34:00] scopeuk: i only have a 60 gig free
[23:34:00] Yellow-Snow: hmm
[23:34:00] scopeuk: and money is short hence why its a junk hardware system
[23:34:00] Yellow-Snow: amen
[23:34:00] Yellow-Snow: college owns my money
[23:34:00] scopeuk: money to burn it whould ahvea fast proc and a large hdd we whoudlent need this conversation :-p
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[23:34:00] scopeuk: on the plus side i may bebale to get a job soon
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[23:35:00] juski: when £50 or so buys a 160GB disk these days... how many smokes is that?
[23:35:00] stevenm: kormoc, file works, dual head/xinerama, but no xrandr
[23:35:00] scopeuk: i dotn smoke and i drink 3 units a week on average
[23:36:00] juski: heh
[23:36:00] scopeuk: yeh
[23:36:00] kormoc: stevenh, you might need to force xrandr on
[23:36:00] juski: wouldn't suggest giving up beer if you're just starting a mythtv setup either
[23:36:00] scopeuk: i'll point out now im 18 and havent left education yet
[23:36:00] scopeuk: yeh i have no intention of it
[23:36:00] scopeuk: althoug h i have an alarmingly high intake of tea :-p
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[23:36:00] juski: weird
[23:37:00] stevenm: kormoc, how? Option "RandR" "On" ?
[23:37:00] scopeuk: also are uk tv scheduals avliabel to myth tv users
[23:37:00] scopeuk: or should i say is a feed avaliabl/known
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[23:37:00] trumee: guys, i couldnt find about this in the FAQ so i am sking it here. Is it possible to record a web stream using mythtv at certain pre known times?
[23:37:00] juski: scopeuk: available, and full ;-)
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[23:37:00] juski: tv_grab_uk_rt, part of the xmltv package
[23:37:00] trumee: i dont have any TV card, but i am subscribed to a web stream
[23:38:00] scopeuk: nice
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[23:38:00] scopeuk: i coudlent find anything on it last time i looked in detail which is one of the resons i dident btoehr with this before
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[23:38:00] juski: trumee: people keep asking about IP TV & the likes on the mailing list, and get the same blank response... not yet
[23:39:00] trumee: juski:uh ok, thanks
[23:39:00] kormoc: stevenh, you need to disable dga, here's a link http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-May/007915.html
[23:39:00] juski: scopeuk: if you use a freeview tuner (or 2) you can get the EPG from over the air too ;-)
[23:39:00] scopeuk: well if i cna store 20 hours of back dated junk ill be fine
[23:39:00] juski: problem with the xmltv grabber is that sometimes it's too verbose
[23:39:00] scopeuk: i have an old bt876 haupauge job
[23:39:00] kormoc: stevenh, oh, wait, I did that in the file already...
[23:39:00] juski: problem with the freeview EPG is that it's very short & usually a max of 7 days
[23:39:00] scopeuk: yeh
[23:40:00] juski: uk_rt has 14 days of data
[23:40:00] scopeuk: i have a freeview set top box
[23:40:00] scopeuk: the damn thing is useless epg s only hing that works properly
[23:40:00] juski: lol
[23:40:00] kormoc: stevenh, perhaps fglrx just doesn't support it... Sorry if that's the case...
[23:40:00] scopeuk: y i know
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[23:40:00] scopeuk: yeh*
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[23:41:00] juski: when it's good, freeview looks fantastic
[23:41:00] juski: almost dvd quality, but when it's bad... lego ahoy
[23:41:00] scopeuk: oh this is sub lego
[23:42:00] scopeuk: its liek sound, skip , gone , wait , sound , freze frame
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[23:42:00] scopeuk: rinse and repeat
[23:42:00] scopeuk: its goign back tomorow
[23:42:00] Yellow-Snow: so can anyone lend me a hand? or get me pointed in the right direction?
[23:43:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, you havn't said why you think you screwed it up. what's not working? what error messages are you getting?
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[23:43:00] scopeuk: any way nice tlakign to you ll i need to go sleep now
[23:43:00] scopeuk: later all
[23:43:00] kormoc: Yellow-Snow, we can't see your screen, you need to be proactive about this
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[23:44:00] Yellow-Snow: lol yea sorry .. basically imo i think i need to get my tv card working... installing drivers and such.. mythtv loads but nothing is configured right
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[23:44:00] Yellow-Snow: can't find a browser on KnoppMyth also
[23:45:00] Yellow-Snow: its a tv wonder usb 1.0 edition so idk if it even works
[23:45:00] kormoc: welp, you should fire up google and google about it
[23:46:00] Yellow-Snow: i have searched through that data base of people's configs and couldn't find any usb version.. all i saw was tv wonder cards..
[23:46:00] Yellow-Snow: i also found some ati 3rd party tv capture "things?" not sure i think they were drivers..
[23:46:00] Yellow-Snow: ati*
[23:48:00] Yellow-Snow: but yea i have done some reading but at this point im so lost it just confuses me
[23:49:00] juski: the lack of keyword hits on 'ati tv wonder usb linux' would probably indicate there's no support for it
[23:49:00] juski: video4linux site doesn't mention it in the wiki either
[23:49:00] juski: not looking good
[23:49:00] Yellow-Snow: yup =\
[23:50:00] Yellow-Snow: i mean i would go out and buy a video card if i had to.. but first i want to be able to set up the box before i go spend some money
[23:52:00] juski: the list of USB devices that'd work with mythtv in linux is pretty short
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[23:53:00] Yellow-Snow: yea .. couldn't i have the tv wonder hooked up to this windows machine? idk
[23:53:00] squish102: any1 know if u can get mythburn to install on FC4?
[23:53:00] squish102: and where would i find mythburn?
[23:54:00] squish102: i moved from knoppmyth (which had it) to fc4 and now i am trying to find it, google seems to point me into space
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[23:55:00] juski: Yellow-Snow: you could, then use mythvideo to play them, but that's way to messy imho
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[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: hell setting up mythtv is messy if u ask me
[23:55:00] Yellow-Snow: lol
[23:55:00] juski: squish102: mythburn has been a hot topic in here the last 2 or 3 days – look in the logs.. chances are it'll need some tweaking to work for you
[23:56:00] squish102: i just wish i could find it
[23:56:00] juski: I found it with google
[23:56:00] squish102: oh.. let me try again
[23:56:00] juski: eventually
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[23:57:00] juski: judging by the state it's in, I think it might be camoflaged deliberately
[23:57:00] squish102: as i said, it all points to forums on mysettopbox.tv but the forum does not exist
[23:57:00] juski: knoppmythwiki.org
[23:58:00] juski: like the 3rd hit from google
[23:58:00] squish102: is it in a bad state? it worked on knoppmyth quite well.. all 1 times i used it
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[23:58:00] juski: sorry, the 4th hit
[23:58:00] squish102: thanks
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