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Monday, January 30th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Beirdo: Quantum were often good drives
[00:00:00] Juski: is perpendicular recording out for desktop drives yet? ;-)
[00:00:00] kormoc: I just had a quantum 15 gig drive die on me, after 23023 hours of runtime :)
[00:00:00] Beirdo: is that where you put drive heads THROUGH the platters?
[00:01:00] kormoc: Juski, not yet
[00:01:00] Juski: someone at a manufacturer told me that we can have a test model later this year
[00:02:00] Beirdo: our programming prof first year university had a drive that had a "heads meet platter" error
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[00:02:00] Beirdo: just happened to have our assignments on it..
[00:02:00] Beirdo: heh
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[00:02:00] Juski: had a great talk from maxtor about the mechanics & physics of HDDs.. fascinating
[00:03:00] scottder: Anyone using a chaintech AV710?
[00:03:00] topher: hello all! im having some trouble with my ati remote wonder. do you guys recommend using the module or using lirc?
[00:03:00] Beirdo: so when he came in one day to supposedly hand back the assignments, he handed around the drive with deep grooves and the crater where the heads crashed down
[00:03:00] Juski: makes you realise that buying iomega products really isn't a good idea ;-)
[00:03:00] Beirdo: "your assignments are on here, it will take a bit longer as I'll have to get a copy from backups"
[00:03:00] mchou: Juski: haha!!
[00:03:00] Juski: lol
[00:04:00] Beirdo: I'm betting he keeps that drive around for the first time he's way behind every term
[00:04:00] topher: i got the mouse cursor to work on my remote wonder but whenever i press a key it's repeated 3–4 times and new keycodes dont show up in xev :(
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[00:04:00] Beirdo: heya, drumkilla
[00:04:00] drumkilla: hey Beirdo
[00:04:00] Beirdo: imagine meeting you over here :)
[00:04:00] drumkilla: ha
[00:05:00] Beirdo: topher, sorry, I don't do remotes
[00:05:00] topher: Beirdo: nobody does! hehe
[00:05:00] drumkilla: Beirdo: I am hoping to start contributing to mythtv as a side project
[00:05:00] defaultro: hey guys, what are you using for your analog sound capture? Mine doesn't have any sound right now
[00:05:00] Beirdo: drumkilla, coool
[00:05:00] kormoc: defaultro, I don't, as I have a hardware mpeg card
[00:05:00] defaultro: ok
[00:06:00] Juski: newer drives have micro-actuators on the end of the head arm... the size of them things & they're putting little actuators on
[00:06:00] defaultro: i might have explained it a little wrong
[00:06:00] Juski: how they control the fly height was interesting to learn too...
[00:06:00] defaultro: i'm capturing analog from comcast
[00:06:00] defaultro: am I correct that sound is already included in the file?
[00:06:00] defaultro: it should
[00:06:00] Juski: with a PVR card? yep
[00:07:00] defaultro: it's fusion hdtv lite
[00:07:00] defaultro: it has analog capability
[00:07:00] Juski: does it have an audio loop through to go to a soundcard or can it capture audio onboard?
[00:08:00] defaultro: i connected the wire
[00:08:00] Juski: if the latter, you need to tell myth to get audio from the audio device on the card, if the driver gives you such a thing
[00:08:00] defaultro: it's the former
[00:08:00] Juski: right... set your mixer to record from the soundcard line input?
[00:08:00] mchou: defaultro: this is in the mythtv docs, damn it.
[00:08:00] defaultro: hey mchou :D
[00:09:00] defaultro: mchou, fusion analog capability is working cool
[00:09:00] Juski: apart from audio, obviously
[00:09:00] defaultro: juski, you mean in asoundrc file?
[00:09:00] mchou: audio works like any other bt878 card
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[00:10:00] Juski: oh btw laga: did another script... posted to the ML last night... play 'all videos from current selected' for mythvideo
[00:10:00] defaultro: it's my first time to have this kind of setup :D
[00:10:00] mchou: defaultro: so?
[00:10:00] defaultro: hehehe
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[00:10:00] defaultro: :D am gonna read up then
[00:10:00] Juski: you never read the docs first time around ;-)
[00:10:00] Juski: power it on, mess about, break it.. _then_ RTFM
[00:11:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:12:00] Beirdo: my fiancee STILL hasn't RTFM on her digital camera
[00:12:00] Juski: I only read the manual for mine cos it's so fucking hard to use
[00:13:00] Beirdo: she couldn't figure out how to change focus selection type
[00:13:00] Juski: next one will be a digital SLR with manual everything
[00:13:00] Beirdo: so I switched it for her, then told her to RTFM :)
[00:13:00] mchou: defaultro: is the svideo port exposed on the bracket on your fusion?
[00:13:00] Beirdo: it helped that I *had* the same camera before some assmaster stole it
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[00:14:00] mchou: Beirdo: you had your camera stolen?
[00:14:00] Beirdo: yeah
[00:14:00] mchou: How did that happen?
[00:14:00] Beirdo: don't remind me
[00:14:00] Beirdo: in a backpack in the van
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[00:14:00] Beirdo: some dillhole busted into the van apparently to steal some coins, and stole the backpack too
[00:14:00] Beirdo: back in November
[00:15:00] mchou: Beirdo: ouch
[00:15:00] mchou: some crack addict stealing for their next fix
[00:15:00] Beirdo: lost 2 film SLRs, one digital SLR, all the accessories, about 12 rolls of exposed film
[00:15:00] Beirdo: yeah
[00:15:00] Beirdo: lucky fucker got $3k of camera gear too
[00:16:00] mchou: $3k to you, forbably $200 on the street :)
[00:16:00] mchou: probably*
[00:16:00] Beirdo: yeah
[00:16:00] Beirdo: I was (and am) more pissed about losing the exposed film and the 300 digital pics from that week with my fiancee than losing the gear
[00:18:00] mchou: the economy must be going in the tank
[00:19:00] Beirdo: ah well, shit happens
[00:19:00] mchou: I bought "cheez-it party mix" and inside was a bag half the size of the box
[00:19:00] alpha255: ouch
[00:19:00] mchou: I kid you not
[00:20:00] drumkilla: mchou: call the 800 number and complain :)
[00:20:00] alpha255: lady at work had her laptop stolen from the truck of her car
[00:20:00] mchou: so this is not due to "settling of contents"
[00:20:00] alpha255: lock car
[00:20:00] alpha255: locked trunck
[00:20:00] alpha255: tunk
[00:20:00] alpha255: 3 hrs after getting it from dell !
[00:20:00] mchou: haha
[00:20:00] mchou: never leavve shit in car
[00:21:00] mchou: guaranteed to get stolen
[00:21:00] Beirdo: never live in a shitty city
[00:21:00] Beirdo: at my dad's, I never even LOCK the car
[00:21:00] mchou: lol, city has nothing to do w/it
[00:21:00] Beirdo: yes it does
[00:21:00] ** alpha255 parks car in garage every night **
[00:21:00] alpha255: helps protect it
[00:22:00] mchou: there is more crime per capita in rural areas
[00:22:00] ** alpha255 is really luck to have garage too **
[00:22:00] alpha255: lucky
[00:22:00] Juski: Beirdo: in the UK we don't get much choice.. crime is pretty high everywhere
[00:22:00] Beirdo: mchou, if you add up ALL crime, perhaps
[00:22:00] Beirdo: Juski, yeah, I know. sucktacular
[00:22:00] Beirdo: Toronto blows
[00:23:00] mchou: lol
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[00:23:00] WeezeyD: my mythweb is returning blank pages. Any fixes?
[00:23:00] Beirdo: small town and small cities don't have the KIND of crime the large cities have
[00:23:00] Juski: funny.. a few of people I know here have this rosy view about what life in Canada is like.. so much so they want to move there
[00:23:00] Beirdo: hehe
[00:23:00] mchou: lol
[00:23:00] Juski: "there's NO crime!", they say
[00:23:00] Juski: everyone leaves their doors open...
[00:24:00] Beirdo: well, if you stay outta Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver... you might even be right
[00:24:00] Juski: ah... you've been watching Michael Moore again haven't you?
[00:24:00] mchou: who wantys to move to canada now that they've elected Bush kissers?
[00:24:00] mchou: wants*
[00:24:00] WeezeyD: yeah, fuckin' Harper's a pussy.
[00:24:00] WeezeyD: I didn't vote for that fag.
[00:24:00] Beirdo: mchou, don't believe everything the stupid media tells you
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[00:25:00] Beirdo: the very first thing he did was told off the Americans
[00:25:00] Beirdo: how is that kissing Bush?
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[00:25:00] mchou: bah, he told the American ambassador off
[00:25:00] stevenm: Hello. Has anyone been able to get mythtv working (not at 1 FPS) with the fglrx ATI driver (not tv out, but just plain working on the monitor)
[00:25:00] Juski: anyway.. feeling much happier about life & stuff in general after starting to read a new book: "is it just me or is everything shit?". how ironic
[00:25:00] mchou: that's not the same as telling Bush off
[00:25:00] Beirdo: mchou, all the same thing
[00:26:00] mchou: plus he needs money to equip the mounties with guns :)
[00:26:00] Beirdo: they HAVE money
[00:26:00] Beirdo: they have huge surplusses, and the Mounties have guns
[00:26:00] Beirdo: silly Yank
[00:26:00] mchou: Bah, you dont know how the game is played
[00:27:00] mchou: vote no first as a starting position :)
[00:27:00] mchou: all part of the negotiation
[00:27:00] GreyFoxx: my god "f-myth-users" sure can use a lot of words to say very little
[00:27:00] Beirdo: heheh
[00:27:00] Juski: ?
[00:27:00] Beirdo: a lot like this channel some days
[00:28:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: on the mailling lists
[00:28:00] Juski: ah
[00:28:00] Juski: what's needed is a 'gem' filter
[00:28:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx, so my strategy worked. my new MP is NDP. Took down a Liberal cabinet minister :)
[00:28:00] Juski: get rid of the 'is anybody' posts
[00:28:00] kormoc: Beirdo, you're a consertive?
[00:29:00] mchou: kormoc: lol
[00:29:00] Beirdo: and my dad did too.. by 20 votes in his riding
[00:29:00] Juski: or just go round implanting brains in people.. they can do that now can't they? ;-)
[00:29:00] Beirdo: kormoc, yes. but I voted NDP this time around
[00:29:00] kormoc: amusing
[00:29:00] WeezeyD: my mythweb is returning blank pages. Any fixes?
[00:29:00] Beirdo: and I'm glad Harper has a minority. He'll have to play well with others until people trust him or vote him out
[00:30:00] Beirdo: WeezeyD, I assume you've read the README?
[00:30:00] WeezeyD: Beirdo: umm, no, but it worked before
[00:30:00] WeezeyD: and starts working intermittently
[00:30:00] kormoc: WeezeyD, did you look at the apache logs?
[00:30:00] WeezeyD: yep
[00:30:00] Beirdo: that's likely due to the 8m or whatever memory limit
[00:31:00] WeezeyD: ah
[00:31:00] WeezeyD: cool
[00:31:00] WeezeyD: thanks
[00:31:00] Beirdo: no prob
[00:31:00] Beirdo: that's tweaked in the .htaccess file, I believe
[00:31:00] WeezeyD: php.ini
[00:31:00] kormoc: it can be in the htaccess file or in the php script as well
[00:32:00] Beirdo: php_value memory_limit 32M
[00:32:00] WeezeyD: Beirdo: sweet, works perfectly
[00:32:00] Beirdo: in my .htaccess
[00:32:00] Beirdo: :)
[00:32:00] Beirdo: that's what it was last time for me
[00:32:00] WeezeyD: huh, well it's in php.ini too and that works as well.
[00:32:00] Beirdo: yeah
[00:32:00] Beirdo: php.ini is a global change
[00:32:00] Beirdo: that should work
[00:32:00] kormoc: WeezeyD, php.ini is the default, .htacess overrides it, and the script overrides .htaccess
[00:32:00] Beirdo: the .htaccess is only for mythweb. Do it however works for you
[00:34:00] Beirdo: elections are so fun
[00:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:34:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, I've been wanting one again for awhile now :)
[00:34:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:35:00] Beirdo: at least your next one won't feature this particular shrubbery
[00:35:00] Beirdo: maybe his brother
[00:35:00] kormoc: yeah, but I cry a the thought of who else the drudge up
[00:37:00] Beirdo: ya never know until it happens, I guess
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[00:39:00] defaultro: i got it working guys but something is weird
[00:40:00] defaultro: am not recording anything and I can hear HGTV
[00:40:00] Beirdo: sounds like someone needs to mess with his mixer settings...
[00:40:00] defaultro: ok
[00:41:00] rav3r: anyone familliar with realtek ac97?
[00:41:00] defaultro: where should I look first?
[00:41:00] Beirdo: www.mythtv.org
[00:41:00] Beirdo: in the docs
[00:41:00] defaultro: :)
[00:41:00] Beirdo: that sounds the same as the "echoing audio" issue to me
[00:42:00] Beirdo: set the source to be a capture source, mute it from playback
[00:42:00] defaultro: ok
[00:43:00] Juski: realised tonight why my commflagging experiments have been so er.. poor. I'd not set recordings to be commflagged by default, and the flag method was set to 'all'
[00:43:00] rav3r: the barebones system i am building has integrated audio. there is instructions for installing realtek ac97 and setting up 6ch audio in windows, is this possible in myth?
[00:43:00] D-side: i8x0
[00:43:00] Beirdo: if the ALSA drivers support it, sure
[00:43:00] D-side: thank you, drive through
[00:43:00] defaultro: Beirdo, you mean, playback from the mythfrontend setup?
[00:44:00] Juski: is analogue 5.1 even worth bothering with? especially from an motherboard audio device
[00:44:00] Beirdo: defaultro, I mean in the mixer
[00:44:00] defaultro: gotcha
[00:44:00] Beirdo: Juski, sure, why not?
[00:44:00] defaultro: i actually enabled many things in alsamixer
[00:44:00] defaultro: that could be why
[00:44:00] rav3r: i'd like to have surround sound, if possible, and no room to install another card
[00:44:00] Juski: because a lot of onboard audio sounds pretty crap when you turn it up a bit
[00:44:00] Juski: very noisy
[00:45:00] Beirdo: most sound cards too
[00:45:00] D-side: Juski: precisely why you should feed it to a real amp, instead of using it alone.
[00:45:00] Beirdo: the noise is from the motherboard after all
[00:45:00] Juski: on my old frontend I used the onboard audio & I muted everything I wasn't using.. could still hear noises when I moved the mouse or scrolled a window
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[00:46:00] Juski: using spdif now, into my big yamaha receiver.. has the added advantage that no sound ever comes out of the telly with mythtv.. I like to use my speakers
[00:48:00] rav3r: my box has spdif, but my audio reciever doesn't
[00:48:00] rav3r: any way to convert it?
[00:48:00] topher: what remote do you guys use with mythtv? peeps in this channel recommended the ati remote wonder to me a while ago but it's a pain in the arse
[00:48:00] Juski: rav3r: not without another box, and it'd be cheaper in the long run to replace your existing one
[00:49:00] Juski: if it does 5.1 then surely it's got an optical input?
[00:49:00] D-side: yeah you should look for a new one. anything difficult is probably not worth the effort...
[00:49:00] rav3r: a new reciever?
[00:49:00] Juski: I mean you can buy a DD decoder, but they cost as much as amps
[00:50:00] rav3r: yes, the spdif is optical out of my mythbox
[00:52:00] Juski: what'd you plug the audio into if your amp doesn't do 6 channel surround?
[00:53:00] rav3r: i wasnt going to use the spdif, since my receiver doesn't have it. but the documentation for the computer talks about a windows program that changes some of the jackes to make them 2ch out, so you can do 6ch out
[00:53:00] rav3r: jacks
[00:54:00] Juski: yeh you can do that.. but what'd you plug into them is what I mean
[00:54:00] rav3r: converter to two rca cables
[00:54:00] rav3r: for each of the three jacks
[00:54:00] Juski: so yer amp does 5.1 audio?
[00:54:00] rav3r: yes
[00:54:00] Juski: but it hasn't got digital? weird
[00:55:00] rav3r: the dvd player is hooked up with a bunch of rca cables
[00:55:00] Juski: sounds like a Technics amp come to think of it
[00:56:00] Juski: plenty of 6ch audio guides for linux out there
[00:56:00] rav3r: this is mine http://www.recommendedbuys.com/electronics/au . . . htr-5630.htm
[00:56:00] Juski: it says 'dolby digital'
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[00:58:00] Juski: "With two digital inputs (1 optical and 1 coaxial), the HTR-5630 can accommodate digital sources such as DVD, CD, Cable/Sat, D-TV or a video game console"
[00:58:00] Juski: just link up the spdif (coaxial)
[00:59:00] rav3r: does the input look different then the out put of my computer?
[00:59:00] Juski: RCA jack
[00:59:00] Juski: RCA to RCA cable required.. that's all
[01:00:00] Juski: your amp looks a lot like mine in terms of features
[01:01:00] rav3r: so, is there a cable that converts the square spdif out of the computer to an rca for the receiver?
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[01:01:00] Juski: square? that'd be optical then
[01:01:00] Juski: so you need an optical lead.. should cost <$5
[01:01:00] rav3r: that's where i'm was confused
[01:02:00] rav3r: because there wasn't anything on my receiver that looked like it
[01:02:00] defaultro: Beirdo, still doesn't work. The card is connected to mobo's CD_IN. Then in alsa mixer, I just increase the volume in CD, then sound comes out but it's realtime and not the one am playing
[01:02:00] Juski: rav3r: lemme check
[01:03:00] Juski: defaultro: so set the recording source to 'CD'
[01:03:00] rav3r: funny, i just bought these 3 rca spliter things thinking i was going to have to do it taht way
[01:03:00] Juski: rav3r: at the back of the unit on the left hand side, the bottom socket.. labelled 'DVD'
[01:04:00] defaultro: Juski, i accidentally hit tab and I saw CAPTUR
[01:04:00] defaultro: i selected CD and let's see
[01:05:00] Juski: rav3r: on your PC spdif connector, it'll probably have a plug in it.. that's a blanking plug.. you'll see (harmless) red light if you take the blanking plug out
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[01:05:00] rav3r: i should say i don't have access to it right now, but i can check later
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[01:06:00] Juski: save yerself the hassle of setting up analogue surround & all its hissyness ;-)
[01:06:00] rav3r: that's how my dvd is hooked up now
[01:06:00] rav3r: but i guess a computer has more noise
[01:07:00] Juski: loads more noise
[01:07:00] rav3r: in my pc, i don't see any plug in it
[01:07:00] Juski: got to pay big bucks for hiss-free in PC audio
[01:07:00] rav3r: there is a like a green, rounded square, ressed in it
[01:07:00] Juski: with analogue I mean
[01:08:00] rav3r: with line top to bottom and left to right
[01:08:00] Juski: rav3r: gently pull on it.. I bet it pops out
[01:08:00] scottder: weee sound card working with ALSA...now to figure out why no sound in MythTV
[01:08:00] rav3r: it's resessed, i can't get to it
[01:08:00] Juski: rav3r: really? what model is this motherboard/barebones?
[01:09:00] rav3r: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101227
[01:09:00] defaultro: Juski, it still plays the audio even if I'm not playing the recorded progra,
[01:10:00] defaultro: i have already set the capture to CD
[01:10:00] Juski: defaulto: so mute the CD in the other section
[01:10:00] defaultro: if i do that, i don't hear it
[01:10:00] defaultro: i don't hear even when I play it
[01:10:00] rav3r: i could take off the front panel
[01:10:00] defaultro: i'll try again
[01:10:00] Juski: rav3r: checking the manual ;)
[01:11:00] kormoc: Front S/PDIF Out Yes
[01:11:00] Juski: yes it is
[01:11:00] Juski: under the front flap
[01:11:00] Juski: ugh!
[01:12:00] rav3r: i took the front panel off
[01:12:00] Juski: little square black plug on the diagram here
[01:12:00] Juski: at the leftmost side
[01:12:00] rav3r: the green part is "pressable"
[01:12:00] D-side: in the front?
[01:13:00] D-side: sounds (and looks) a bit like my pundit.
[01:13:00] rav3r: yes
[01:13:00] D-side: sucks.
[01:13:00] defaultro: Juski, it's fixed now. I sent the channel back to SPDIF :D
[01:13:00] D-side: not exactly aesthetically pleasing.
[01:13:00] rav3r: seems to be split down the middle
[01:15:00] ** rav3r pokes it with a screwdriver **
[01:15:00] Juski: heh.. "Silent operation Idle 31.7dB"
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[01:15:00] Juski: noisy beastie
[01:15:00] D-side: you must have utterly golden ears
[01:15:00] D-side: that seems fairly quiet to me
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[01:15:00] Juski: livingroom ambient is 21dBA
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[01:16:00] rav3r: im still not sure what sort of cable i need to get
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[01:16:00] Juski: rav3r: get a TOSLINK optical cable
[01:17:00] Juski: TOSLINK = optical spdif
[01:17:00] D-side: rav3r: radioshack's got them cheaper than any other retail store
[01:17:00] D-side: or should.
[01:17:00] Juski: don't fall for the Monster Cable lies
[01:18:00] rav3r: so, just so im clear, my pc doesn't have any plug i need to remove?
[01:18:00] Juski: if it's an optical connector, and it will be going by that site, it'll be plugged
[01:18:00] D-side: Juski: thats why i buy the radioshack "gold series"
[01:18:00] Juski: they do that to stop dust & crud getting in
[01:19:00] D-side: its a few dollars more than the crap wiring, and is nearly as good as the monster cable, for a fraction of the cost.
[01:19:00] stanton: question: should I have any worries about sound quality if I'm using DVB/HDTV with myth SPDIF directly to the receiver. No analog audio hardware, but the only way I can get sound out of Myth is by setting ALSA:analog or :default or :mixed-analog.
[01:19:00] rav3r: it green square was flexible, and split down the middle, seems like that might do the same thing?
[01:19:00] ** Juski recommends that people who fall for cable mythology should breathe 100% oxygen free air **
[01:19:00] Juski: rav3r: yeh
[01:20:00] Juski: try pulling it out gently
[01:20:00] Juski: or can you already see a red light inside it?
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[01:21:00] rav3r: hmmmm, i dont see a red light, and i really don't see how this could come out. there is nothing to grab on to
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[01:22:00] rav3r: it just flexes in
[01:22:00] Juski: what does the manual say about it?
[01:22:00] rav3r: like, a plug would just push it out the way
[01:22:00] scottder: Is there an advantage to using xvmc ?
[01:22:00] kormoc: scottder, hardware mpeg2 decoding
[01:23:00] Juski: rav3r: unusual... so it's shutterred then... so you'd just push an optical connector into it ;)
[01:23:00] rav3r: the manual just explains what spdif is
[01:23:00] rav3r: cool
[01:23:00] rav3r: thanks for your help, im going to check the receiver later
[01:24:00] Juski: never seen or heard about any such type of connector though, and I thought I was in touch ;)
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[01:25:00] rav3r: the reciever should have the same connector?
[01:25:00] scottder: kormoc ah ok...worth it even if I lose color OSD for now
[01:25:00] rav3r: it looks the same?
[01:25:00] scottder: till 0.19 hits the RPM depositories
[01:25:00] scottder: :)
[01:25:00] stanton: yes, but no light
[01:26:00] kormoc: scottder, tis up to you
[01:27:00] scottder: yeah....output looks a bit better with xvmc...
[01:27:00] Juski: rav3r: the receiver will have a black coloured square plug in the hole.. you'll have to remove the plug to insert the other end of the optical lead
[01:28:00] Juski: but it's definitely the socket labelled 'dvd' at the bottom left, looking from the rear of the unit
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[01:30:00] afm: so i'll be building an IR receiver tomorrow, and was looking for remote control suggestions
[01:30:00] scottder: now on to getting the remote working
[01:31:00] Juski: afm: virtually any old remote control can be learned by LIRC
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[01:32:00] afm: once i get this thing made, how do i get info from the remote and map it to key sequences?
[01:32:00] Juski: irw to record every remote button
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[01:33:00] Juski: then save the file irw records and use that as your lircd.conf
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[01:33:00] Juski: as you record the buttons you give them names, and it's these names you use in your lircrc file to map buttons to functions
[01:33:00] scottder: not to find a lircd config for this
[01:34:00] Juski: just use irrecord then
[01:34:00] alpha255: irw works great
[01:34:00] nasa: hi again, working out some more issues... I have both coax and composite going into my pvr-500 card (daughter card not installed), in "input connections" which composite lines should be assigned a source?
[01:34:00] Juski: oops I said use irw to record your remote.. it's _irrecord_ to do that
[01:35:00] Juski: nasa: only the 1st tuner
[01:35:00] scottder: hmmm my remote doesn't quite match any of the descriptions on jarod's page
[01:35:00] Juski: I mean the 1st 'card' composite inputs
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[01:35:00] Juski: scottder: just use irrecord already & make your own lircd.conf
[01:36:00] nasa: Juski: for both /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 or just one or the other?
[01:36:00] Juski: nasa: /dev/video0
[01:36:00] Juski: you need the daughter board for the other half
[01:36:00] nasa: ok, cool thanks
[01:37:00] rav3r: thanks Juski, im pretty sure i saw that when i checked last, but i thought it looked too small to be right. that must be it. you guys rock
[01:38:00] Juski: rav3r: shame the board doesn't have a header for a connector in the right place
[01:38:00] rav3r: what's that?
[01:38:00] Juski: I mean.. putting outputs on the _front_
[01:38:00] Juski: what were they thinking?
[01:39:00] D-side: Juski: a bunch of SFF designs are like that
[01:39:00] D-side: i dont get it either.
[01:39:00] Juski: to put a socket on the back you'd have to take out the board, desolder the connector & run wires to the back
[01:39:00] Juski: D-side: I know... but why? it's not like they're short of room on the back half the time
[01:40:00] Juski: imagine if your amp's speaker outputs were at the front...
[01:40:00] rav3r: oh, i know, it's going to suck having a cord coming out the front all the time
[01:40:00] D-side: well, mine is pretty densely packed.
[01:40:00] D-side: i couldnt pick out a spot for it on the back of mine, as is
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[01:40:00] Juski: there's ways & means ;-)
[01:40:00] D-side: but i'd sure as hell prefer to have two less usb in the back and the optical there intstead
[01:40:00] Juski: I'm gonna mod by box to fit a SCART socket one day
[01:41:00] Juski: *my box
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[01:43:00] Juski: definitely already needs modding to have an IR window
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[01:43:00] Juski: reluctant to though.. case cost me a fortune.. about 2 thirds of the price of rav3r's barebones there
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[01:45:00] defaultr0: Juski, any ideas why I'm hearing squeky sound?
[01:45:00] defaultr0: a very high continuous pitch
[01:45:00] scottder: weird....I'm not seeing any output from irw
[01:45:00] D-side: squeaky? like, the pitch is too high?
[01:45:00] defaultr0: yeah
[01:45:00] defaultr0: D-side, it's analog capture btw
[01:45:00] defaultr0: no issues with my digital, it's sweet
[01:46:00] scottder: lirc seems to have detected the USB reciever fine
[01:46:00] defaultr0: i already brought the volume down in alsamixer and it helped but i still hear the high pitch sound
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[01:46:00] D-side: i remember seeing that once when i had an analog card.
[01:46:00] D-side: wait, the whole audio is too high a pitch, or theres a high pitched noise within it?
[01:47:00] defaultr0: i guess within in
[01:47:00] defaultr0: it starts when i start watching the program
[01:47:00] defaultr0: it's Comcast cable hgtv channel
[01:47:00] Juski: could still be a mixer setting
[01:47:00] defaultr0: i moved the cable back to tv and i don't hear it
[01:47:00] defaultr0: ok
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[01:48:00] defaultr0: juski, i have brought everything down
[01:48:00] defaultr0: capture is even 0
[01:48:00] defaultr0: CD which is my input is 0 and even muted
[01:48:00] rav3r: once i get the optical audo hooked up, is there anything i have to do to enable it?
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[01:48:00] Juski: so by rights you shouldn't hear _anything_ in livetv
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[01:49:00] Juski: rav3r: at least a mixer setting.. IEC937 or something it's called
[01:49:00] defaultr0: i will try livetv now
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[01:49:00] Juski: sod knows why they didn't just call it 'digital' in the drivers
[01:50:00] rav3r: lol juski, expensive case?
[01:50:00] Juski: silverstone
[01:50:00] Juski: doesn't even look that nice
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[01:51:00] defaultr0: it's there too, it's very irritating to the ears
[01:51:00] Juski: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=22
[01:51:00] rav3r: how much was it?
[01:51:00] defaultr0: it's like 20000 hz
[01:51:00] Juski: £100
[01:51:00] Juski: defaultr0: if it was that high you'd not hear it
[01:51:00] defaultr0: so prolly, it's not 20000 :)
[01:51:00] Juski: not noticably
[01:51:00] defaultr0: 10 times higher than a dentist drill
[01:52:00] Juski: feedback
[01:52:00] rav3r: i thought you were being sarcastic, you said it was 2/3 the cost of mine
[01:52:00] defaultr0: ok
[01:52:00] defaultr0: what's that screenshot Juski?
[01:52:00] Juski: rav3r: your barebones was like $150.. which is about £150 in computer terms
[01:53:00] rav3r: i like your's
[01:53:00] rav3r: i wanted something that looked less like a computer :-/
[01:53:00] Juski: defaultr0: photo is my frontend. and I think you need to check you've not set the 'wave' output to record
[01:53:00] rav3r: did your's come with a motherboard?
[01:53:00] Juski: nope
[01:53:00] defaultr0: wave output? ok, how do I check that?
[01:54:00] defaultr0: let me check my asoundrc too
[01:54:00] Juski: mixer settings.. check that only 'CD' is set to record
[01:54:00] defaultr0: yeah, that's the only thing
[01:54:00] rav3r: that's the other thing, this is my first computer build, so i was trying to make it easier on myself, getting a barebones with a motherboard
[01:54:00] Juski: rav3r: cool
[01:54:00] Juski: I started out with an athlon 2000 in that case.. NOT a good idea
[01:55:00] Juski: ended up with an EPIA M-10k
[01:55:00] rav3r: just sucks that i had to put in a graphics card with svideo out, and i have the capture card, and now no more room for anything else in it
[01:55:00] Juski: rav3r: there's a header for svideo out you know
[01:55:00] defaultr0: i'm very happy rav3r with my 6600 gt card
[01:55:00] Juski: you could make a connector lead for that
[01:55:00] defaultr0: it's got dvi and vga
[01:56:00] rav3r: what do you mean?
[01:56:00] defaultr0: the video card
[01:56:00] rav3r: that sounds like more then i could do
[01:56:00] kormoc: I do beleive rav3r didn't know what agp was, so he likely has no idea about what dbi is
[01:56:00] defaultr0: oh ok
[01:56:00] kormoc: rav3r, dvi is a direct digiatal signal out directly to the display
[01:56:00] Juski: rav3r: on the lite version of your system there's no svid socket on the case, but the motherboard has a connector with svideo on it
[01:56:00] rav3r: i know that agp is different then pci, and i dont have agp
[01:56:00] kormoc: rav3r, it's much clearer and cleaner then standard vga
[01:57:00] defaultr0: kormoc, i have a recent screenshot of a ripped "The Incredibles" dvd and played on a 1080i resolution via mythtv
[01:57:00] defaultr0: let me find it
[01:57:00] kormoc: defaultr0, yeah?
[01:57:00] Juski: rav3r: it'd probably be possible to butcher an old cable
[01:57:00] defaultr0: here it is
[01:57:00] scottder: so am i going to have to define EVERY button with irrecord?
[01:57:00] defaultr0: http://restricted.dyndns.org/6600GT.png
[01:57:00] Juski: scottder: either that or find a working config file
[01:57:00] defaultr0: i think i'm calling xine to play the iso file
[01:58:00] kormoc: defaultr0, I just bought a 6600gt pci-e, I'm excited :)
[01:58:00] defaultr0: bam
[01:58:00] defaultr0: you will be
[01:58:00] defaultr0: trust me
[01:58:00] defaultr0: i love the HD playback
[01:58:00] kormoc: a nice upgrade from my 5800
[01:58:00] defaultr0: cool
[01:58:00] kormoc: defaultr0, ooh, my 5200 can do 1080i playback :)
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[01:58:00] defaultr0: nice
[01:58:00] ** kormoc stressed it the other day **
[01:58:00] rav3r: Juski, how hard is it to add the svideo?
[01:58:00] Juski: btw that shot of my frontend... the noise is the camera, not on TV
[01:58:00] Juski: rav3r: relatively easy
[01:58:00] kormoc: 1080i, 720p and sdtv on a multi monitor output at the same time :)
[01:59:00] defaultr0: bam
[01:59:00] kormoc: with 15% free cpu!
[01:59:00] defaultr0: mine is something like 37%
[01:59:00] defaultr0: oh free
[01:59:00] defaultr0: mine when playing is 37–43%
[01:59:00] Juski: rav3r: if you know anyone who can solder, dead easy ;-)
[01:59:00] defaultr0: so i have 60% left
[01:59:00] rav3r: also, i thought it was better to have a graphics card for video out, to take off the cpu?
[01:59:00] kormoc: well, decoding three videos at once while displaying on two monitors for a 5200 is quite good
[01:59:00] defaultr0: ah, gotcha
[01:59:00] Juski: rav3r: in some cases it is.. depends what the onboard is like
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[02:00:00] defaultr0: my system slows down when mythcommflag kicks in
[02:00:00] defaultr0: i see stuttering when that happens
[02:00:00] kormoc: Juski, the onboard for any mobo without an agp slot is gonna suck likely
[02:00:00] Juski: heh
[02:00:00] Juski: a friend of mine at work uses an MSI Hermes & says it's pretty good quality output
[02:00:00] defaultr0: kormoc, any ideas about high pitch continuous sound in analog capture?
[02:01:00] defaultr0: it both happens in livetv and playback
[02:01:00] kormoc: defaultr0, with what tuner card?
[02:01:00] Beirdo: turn down your capture volume a touch for starters
[02:01:00] Juski: and scottder: remember you only need set the remote config up _once_ ;-)
[02:01:00] Juski: bedtime anyway.. night all
[02:01:00] kormoc: night all
[02:02:00] rav3r: i also don't have the optional firwire, im guessing that is simmiliar?
[02:02:00] Beirdo: night, Juski
[02:02:00] scottder: Night Juski
[02:02:00] rav3r: nite juski, thanks for the tips
[02:02:00] defaultr0: Fusion Lite HDTV
[02:02:00] defaultr0: this card has an analog support
[02:08:00] rav3r: kormoc, i don't have any dvi devices to output to
[02:09:00] rav3r: but thanks for the tip
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[02:29:00] nasa: Ok, moving on to next issue: when I try to play a movie (using xine) it starts in the background (using kde as wm). How do I fix this behavior?
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[02:36:00] cosmo_: does myth have a function to ignore all but a certain percentage of your available disk space for recordings? I could have sworn it did but I cant find it anywhere, and my recordings are starting to come up missing
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[02:46:00] cosmo_: and can anyone enlighten me to a flickering white bar that appears at the bottom of all of my recordings? Im using a pvr 150mce here
[02:50:00] SqWaw: cosmo_: atleast urs is white, mine is multicolored
[02:54:00] cosmo_: id rather an acid trip than a strobe light ;)
[02:56:00] SqWaw: lol
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[03:03:00] jnunez: is that bar (white or multicolor) the VITC signal?
[03:03:00] jnunez: if so you can crop it with one of the ivtv tools.
[03:05:00] jnunez: I could be wrong. I thought VITC was at the top of the frame. VITC was a signal sent to affiliates to cut to local ads but was replaced after the first round of consumer vcrs with ad skippers.
[03:10:00] SqWaw: jnunez: I dont think a digital tv signal like mine would have technology that sounds that old.
[03:10:00] jnunez: You are right
[03:11:00] SqWaw: Fatal error: Call to undefined function preg_replace() in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 28
[03:11:00] SqWaw: fun stuff.
[03:11:00] jnunez: Sorry I haven't been in the video business since the early 90's
[03:11:00] SqWaw: :) its okay
[03:11:00] SqWaw: it doesnt bother me
[03:11:00] jnunez: SqWaw: That php error could be due to an older version of php. hold on
[03:12:00] SqWaw: one site said libpcre
[03:12:00] SqWaw: or php-pcre but i emerged it
[03:12:00] jnunez: yup
[03:13:00] jnunez: you need to check the PHP info
[03:13:00] jnunez: create a new file and call it info.php
[03:13:00] mofu: so is using QAM256 over cable chasing a moving target that is going to be difficult to maintain??
[03:13:00] jnunez: inside type the following
[03:13:00] jnunez: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[03:14:00] jnunez: access that page via a browser and search for the pcre
[03:14:00] jnunez: I'll check to see what my browser has
[03:15:00] jnunez: My copy was compiled with --with-pcre-regex=/usr
[03:15:00] SqWaw: okay hold on
[03:16:00] SqWaw: what am i looking for?
[03:16:00] SqWaw: -without-pcre-regex
[03:17:00] SqWaw: but gentoo ./configures automagically...
[03:17:00] SqWaw: so how would i go about fixing that?
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[03:18:00] jnunez: Change your use flags to set PCRE
[03:19:00] SqWaw: hopefully its a use flag
[03:19:00] jnunez: yes I just looked it up
[03:19:00] SqWaw: --disable-session'
[03:20:00] SqWaw: what is session used for?
[03:20:00] jnunez: You might not need it for MythWeb but I am planning a user rights system for mythweb and it will need sessions
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[03:22:00] SqWaw: okays
[03:22:00] SqWaw: wanna take a look at my configure line to see if i'll be needing anything else?
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[03:24:00] SqWaw: http://pastebin.ca/39091
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[03:33:00] nasa: look at this picture: http://mikenet.iwarp.com/cgi-bin/i/MythTV/ATI . . . e_Wonder.jpg are these mappings no longer correct?
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[03:39:00] cosmo_: hmm, this cant be fs related, my tuner card is apparently not working, cant watch livetv. This ever happen to anyone?
[03:40:00] mofu: cosmo_: what card, how do you know its not working?
[03:40:00] jnunez: SqWaw: So far looks good
[03:41:00] cosmo_: pvr 150
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[03:41:00] cosmo_: try to watch livetv, console loops saying something like "cannot initialize video"
[03:41:00] jnunez: cosmo_: try xawTV and there is a command line test but I have never used it
[03:41:00] cosmo_: ivtv module is loaded
[03:41:00] mofu: does cat test work?
[03:41:00] cosmo_: hmm, good idea
[03:42:00] cosmo_: cant try now, modprobing
[03:42:00] cosmo_: um....cant remember the dev name
[03:42:00] jnunez: cosmo_: what version of ivtv? I have a 150 and I can do everything except get the ir blaster working
[03:42:00] cosmo_: I dont remember
[03:43:00] jnunez: brb
[03:43:00] mofu: also check permissions, /dev/video0 typically assigned to video group, mythtv (user) also video group
[03:43:00] cosmo_: hmm, could have sworn that video0 was the nvidia crap, I'll cat it
[03:44:00] cosmo_: RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read()
[03:45:00] cosmo_: LiveTV not successfully started
[03:46:00] mofu: cosmo_: if you want to debug it, exit myth, stop the backend . . . .
[03:46:00] cosmo_: k
[03:48:00] cosmo_: im gonna reboot now, got heaps of homework to do, so Im going to try the cheap fix first
[03:48:00] cosmo_: be back soon
[03:48:00] Agrajag-: anyone here happen to have any spare old nvidia pci cards? :)
[03:49:00] cosmo_: I do agrajag, need to get rid of it, brand new
[03:49:00] cosmo_: brb
[03:49:00] Agrajag-: are you serious?
[03:51:00] mofu: anyone getting NFL-NET in HD over QAM256??
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[03:52:00] Z-Morek: upon the release of 0.19 I hope to migrate from the atrpms compiles to compiling on my own... any tips?
[03:53:00] mofu: Z-Morek: just follow the docs
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[03:53:00] cosmo__: nope, no bannana, something is definitely wrong hear. Can anyone offer any advice?
[03:53:00] Z-Morek: should I remove the atrpms from my apt sources?
[03:54:00] mofu: cosmo__: cat test failed??
[03:54:00] Z-Morek: and remove everything before doing it on my own?
[03:54:00] Z-Morek: or just install over ala windows
[03:54:00] cosmo__: im getting a no device message
[03:54:00] cosmo__: they are there
[03:54:00] cosmo__: no video0, but video-everything else
[03:54:00] cosmo__: 1,2,3.....
[03:54:00] cosmo__: and a video device
[03:54:00] cosmo__: cant cat any of them
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[03:54:00] mofu: post ivtv debug from dmesg to pastebin
[03:55:00] cosmo__: good ole dmesg, how can I forget to look there
[03:55:00] mofu: you claimed ivtv was loaded,k assumed you had looked . . .
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[03:56:00] cosmo__: I checked lsmod
[03:56:00] cosmo__: figred it wouldn't be shown if there were problems
[03:58:00] cosmo__: only dmesg line that looks suspicious
[03:58:00] cosmo__: well, shoot, nevermind, looks like I have firmware errors
[03:59:00] cosmo__: http://pastebin.ca/39097
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[04:03:00] mofu: ivtv homepage explains firmware, make sure you do right for whatever point release you are using, its changed recently
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[04:05:00] koderpat_: Client doesn't like response from server that MYTH_PROTO_VERSION is 15. downloaded from latest source. is 15 the current version?
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[04:07:00] Kelerion: actually in svn its now at about 26 I think..
[04:07:00] Kelerion: not sure what it was in the release version.. 15 sounds about right though
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[04:09:00] koderpat_: hrm subversion, never used before. wheres the repository
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[04:10:00] Kelerion: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/
[04:12:00] kormoc: Kelerion, try svn.mythtv.org
[04:12:00] kormoc: it's the same thing, but makes more sense
[04:12:00] Kelerion: ahh okies.. have had that cvs one bookmarked for *ages*.. lol
[04:13:00] koderpat_: hrm... shit.. maybe I dont have the latest stable
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[04:14:00] kormoc: koderpat_, .18.1 is the latest
[04:14:00] kormoc: as is in the topic
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[04:51:00] bo1: greyfoxx; you here?
[04:52:00] SqWaw: Wow, I'm getting pissed
[04:52:00] bo1: well all I have been having problems with my mythtv backend makeing a socket connection. I really didn't do anything but it works now. at least the video..
[04:53:00] SqWaw: mythweb isn't working and i've followed the directions to the letter.
[04:53:00] bo1: I was wondering how I can get my audio to work. I am using a wintv 250 on a debian amd64 machine
[04:54:00] kormoc: SqWaw, what's not working
[04:55:00] SqWaw: i've got that DB setup error
[04:55:00] kormoc: and you edited the .htaccess file?
[04:55:00] SqWaw: yessir
[04:55:00] SqWaw: i didnt need to change anything, actually.
[04:56:00] kormoc: you have mod_env in your apache?
[04:58:00] SqWaw: yessir
[04:58:00] kormoc: and apache says?
[04:58:00] SqWaw: huh?
[04:58:00] kormoc: the log files
[04:58:00] alpha255: SqWaw, knoppmyth? or Fedora?
[04:59:00] SqWaw: error_log
[04:59:00] SqWaw: try gentoo
[04:59:00] SqWaw: :)
[04:59:00] cosmo__: can anyone take a look at this? I still cant get ivtv working, Ive tried re-emerging it, and placing the firmware files in the directory manually http://pastebin.ca/39097
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[04:59:00] SqWaw: kormoc: no error pertaining to mythweb
[04:59:00] kormoc: SqWaw, it could be in any of the logs
[05:00:00] alpha255: ahh never done a gentoo mythtv install
[05:00:00] SqWaw: ummm
[05:00:00] SqWaw: the only other log is access_log
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[05:00:00] alpha255: i just got done w/a knopmyth install
[05:00:00] alpha255: needed to update the nvidia drivers for 6200 agp card
[05:02:00] SqWaw: kormoc give up?
[05:02:00] kormoc: apache useflags?
[05:03:00] SqWaw: um how would i know em
[05:03:00] kormoc: emerge -pv apache
[05:03:00] SqWaw: true
[05:03:00] SqWaw: apache2 -debug -doc -ldap -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker -no-suexec (-selinux) +ssl -static-modules -threads
[05:03:00] SqWaw: the first one is +apache2
[05:04:00] kormoc: php flags?
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[05:07:00] SqWaw: -adabas -apache +apache2 -bcmath +berkdb* -birdstep +bzip2 -calendar -cdb -cgi -cjk -cli +crypt -ctype -curl -curlwrappers -db2 -dba -dbase -dbmaker -debug -discard-path -doc -empress -empress-bcs -esoob +exif* -fdftk -filepro -firebird -flatfile -force-cgi-redirect -frontbase -ftp -gd -gd-external +gdbm* -gmp -hardenedphp -hyperwave-api -iconv -imap -informix -inifile -interbase -iodbc -ipv6 -java-external -kerberos -ldap -libedit -mcve
[05:08:00] SqWaw: pcre sessions -berkdb -threads -gdbm -truetype -tiff -exif
[05:09:00] kormoc: no mysql?
[05:09:00] kormoc: I do beleive you also need sockets for the status page.
[05:10:00] SqWaw: i had to emerge like
[05:10:00] kormoc: you have mod_php?
[05:10:00] SqWaw: USE="pcre sessions -berkdb -threads -gdbm -truetype -tiff -exif" dev-lang/php
[05:10:00] kormoc: apache2 bzip2 calendar cgi cli crypt curl curlwrappers ftp gd-external mysql ncurses nls pcntl pcre pic posix readline session sharedext sockets spell ssl threads truetype xml zlib -adabas -apache -bcmath -berkdb -birdstep -cdb -cjk -ctype -db2 -dba -dbase -dbmaker -debug -discard-path -doc -empress -empress-bcs -esoob -exif* -fastbuild -fdftk -filepro -firebird -flatfile -force-cgi-redirect -frontbase -gd -gdbm -gmp -hardenedphp -hyperwave-api -icon
[05:10:00] kormoc: v -imap -informix -inifile -interbase -iodbc -ipv6 -java-external -kerberos -ldap -libedit -mcve -memlimit -mhash -ming -msql -mssql -mysqli -oci8 -oci8-instant-client -odbc -pdo -pdo-external -postgres -qdbm -recode -sapdb -sasl -sharedmem -simplexml -snmp -soap -solid -spl -sqlite -sybase -sybase-ct -sysvipc -tidy -tokenizer -vm-goto -vm-switch -wddx -xmlreader -xmlrpc -xpm -xsl -yaz -zip
[05:10:00] kormoc: that's my useflags
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[05:11:00] SqWaw: dev-lang blocks mod_php
[05:11:00] kormoc: yeah
[05:11:00] kormoc: I mean the file
[05:11:00] SqWaw: [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/mod_php-4.4.0-r9)
[05:11:00] SqWaw: [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4)
[05:11:00] SqWaw: should i not have dev-lang/php installed?
[05:11:00] kormoc: you should
[05:11:00] kormoc: here's the thing
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[05:12:00] kormoc: do you have this file:
[05:12:00] kormoc: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
[05:12:00] kormoc: or similar?
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: WOO HOO
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: nuvexport is workign on linux
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: THERE IS A GOD
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: :)
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: oh im ena suse
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: but SUSE is linux
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: so
[05:14:00] EnterServerName: :)
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[05:21:00] SqWaw: kormoc nope
[05:21:00] kormoc: SqWaw, add in the cgi useflag and recompile php, that should add it
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[05:22:00] EnterServerName: what option do i use to make my Mythtv files smaller
[05:22:00] EnterServerName: divx?
[05:23:00] EnterServerName: with nuvexporT?
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[05:23:00] SqWaw: i'll try
[05:24:00] EnterServerName: kormax?
[05:24:00] SqWaw: so much work lol :)
[05:24:00] EnterServerName: which do i use with nuvexport? to make my files smaller?
[05:25:00] SqWaw: kormoc: i lied
[05:25:00] SqWaw: MythTV mythweb # locate libphp5.so
[05:25:00] SqWaw: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
[05:25:00] kormoc: hrm, nm then
[05:26:00] SqWaw: so you're as confused as i am, then
[05:27:00] kormoc: php /path/to/mythweb/mythweb.php says?
[05:28:00] kormoc: ooh, np
[05:28:00] kormoc: erm
[05:28:00] kormoc: nm
[05:28:00] kormoc: you don't have the CLI php installed
[05:30:00] SqWaw: eh
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[05:36:00] SqWaw: what...?
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[05:48:00] cosmo_: any gentoo ivtv users in here? what versions are you running?
[05:49:00] kormoc: 0.4.0
[05:49:00] cosmo_: ive upgraded to 0.4.2, and it simply wont work, and someone in bugzilla reported a similar issue
[05:50:00] kormoc: welp, just downgrade
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[05:50:00] cosmo_: so Im checking to see if anyone is running 0.4.2 and is not having issues
[05:50:00] kormoc: I used .4.2 and it didn't work that well
[05:50:00] awb4422: cosmo_: i just compiled it, ill let you know in a bit
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[05:50:00] SqWaw: i have 0.4.2
[05:50:00] awb4422: i was wondering if people use the radioshack universal remotes still and if i should get the 4-in-1 or the 8-in-1
[05:50:00] SqWaw: named firmware correctly?
[05:51:00] cosmo_: kormoc, I would love to move back, but when I stick =media-tv/ivtv-0.4.2-r3 in my package.keywords file, it wont force portage to downgrade
[05:51:00] SqWaw: do it manually like....
[05:51:00] kormoc: cosmo_, put it in your packages.mask file
[05:51:00] SqWaw: what version do you want?
[05:51:00] cosmo_: SqWaw, yup, tried installing firmware the manual way as per the site
[05:51:00] cosmo_: kormoc, thanks, will try
[05:51:00] awb4422: however, i think something is wrong with my ir received for my hauppauge remotes, im looking for something that connects serial maybe
[05:51:00] cosmo_: SqWaw, 0.4.0, only other one I see in portage tree
[05:52:00] kormoc: I have >=media-tv/ivtv-0.4.1
[05:52:00] kormoc: in my mask file
[05:52:00] SqWaw: emerge =media-tv/ivtv-0.4.0 should install 0.4.0 and remove 0.4.2
[05:52:00] kormoc: SqWaw, till he does a emerge -u world
[05:52:00] SqWaw: right, add it to the mask file....
[05:53:00] kormoc: I say that if 0.4.0 works well, then no need to upgrade
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[05:54:00] cosmo_: I just wonder why it didn't work in keywords, thats what I used to force the nvidia drivers to downgrade
[05:54:00] kormoc: keywords is used to allow 64 bit archs to install stuff marked as 32 bit only or similar
[05:55:00] kormoc: it shouldn't ever be used other then that
[05:55:00] cosmo_: bingo,I now have a working mythtv install again, downgrade did it, I think something is wrong with the package, guess I'll make an account on bugzilla and report it
[05:55:00] cosmo_: thanks guys for helping me give portage a kick in the ass
[05:55:00] kormoc: I think it's more ivtv itself is borked
[05:55:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[05:56:00] cosmo_: nano -w /etc/portage/package.kewords
[05:56:00] cosmo_: crap, stupid wm
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[05:57:00] cosmo_: kormoc, why do you always have the answer to all of my issues, youve helped me so much. Have you rooted my machine? ;)
[05:58:00] kormoc: hehe, cause I'm a gentoo user too :)
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[05:59:00] SqWaw: yea lol kormoc is always helping me too
[05:59:00] SqWaw: emerge rootkit
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[06:05:00] cosmo_: bah, well, at least the module is loading, but watching livetv only reveals a frame or two before frontend dies
[06:05:00] cosmo_: strange
[06:06:00] cosmo_: hmm, better luck this time, nevermind
[06:06:00] cosmo_: 0.4.0 very stable?
[06:07:00] cosmo_: hmm, sounds dead
[06:07:00] SqWaw: no hurt in trying
[06:07:00] kormoc: bbl
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[06:08:00] cosmo_: and my picture aspect is way off, geesh, Im never running emerge -u world again
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[06:23:00] xvalentinex: A bit late, but I'm using 0.4.2 and it's running great. I have the newer hauppage 500 model that only works with 0.4.2, so I don't have anything to compare to.
[06:24:00] xvalentinex: I would suggest compiling it yourself though
[06:27:00] cosmo_: xvalentinex, gentoo user?
[06:28:00] xvalentinex: nah, SuSE
[06:28:00] cosmo_: its gotta be the package then
[06:28:00] xvalentinex: can't compile stuff for gentoo?
[06:28:00] EnterServerName: hey all
[06:28:00] EnterServerName: which is better
[06:28:00] EnterServerName: DIVX or XVID?
[06:28:00] xvalentinex: XVID
[06:29:00] cosmo_: xvalentinex, trying to decide whether to fix my mythbox or get my math project done, so if I compile it manually I'
[06:29:00] cosmo_: ll have to do it later
[06:29:00] xvalentinex: ahhh, I see. what tv tuner do you have?
[06:29:00] cosmo_: pvr-150
[06:30:00] cosmo_: downgraded to 0.4.0, now it works, but Ihave no sound and the picture is zoomed in to about a 1/4 of whats really there
[06:30:00] cosmo_: pvr-150-mce
[06:31:00] xvalentinex: ok, so your not suffering from the new chip design by hauppage then. I would just get static on anything older than 0.4.2
[06:31:00] kormoc: cosmo_, did you power cycle?
[06:31:00] cosmo_: not recently
[06:31:00] kormoc: might wanna do that
[06:32:00] cosmo_: need to finish latex'ing my homework
[06:32:00] cosmo_: I would totally contribute to this wonderful project you guys have if I werent a damn physics-mathematics-astronomy triple major
[06:33:00] cosmo_: well crap, now my kernel is freaking, guess I'll be cycling after all, see you guys in like 2 minutes
[06:33:00] EnterServerName: whats a good bitrate
[06:34:00] EnterServerName: for video
[06:34:00] xvalentinex: don't go anything below 900
[06:34:00] EnterServerName: for xvid
[06:34:00] EnterServerName: oh ok
[06:34:00] xvalentinex: but 1300 is better
[06:34:00] EnterServerName: hjow large of a file
[06:34:00] EnterServerName: for 30 min clip?
[06:34:00] kormoc: EnterServerName, I use the default
[06:34:00] xvalentinex: 175MB is average
[06:35:00] kormoc: default gives a 23 min program 175 megs or so
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[06:41:00] cosmo__: w00t, power cycle seems to have worked
[06:41:00] cosmo__: thanks guys
[06:41:00] cosmo__: kormoc, what line did you say you had in package mask? I only see two files in portage for ivtv, so I assumed that only 0.4.0 and 0.4.2 were available
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[06:42:00] kormoc: cosmo_, I just masked >=0.4.1
[06:42:00] kormoc: cosmo_, that way, I would get any 0.4.0-rs without any above it
[06:44:00] cosmo__: thanks
[06:48:00] xvalentinex: does anyone know if you can configure two buttons to one action in the lircrc
[06:49:00] mchou: kormoc: http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/e . . . ;p_topview=1
[06:49:00] mchou: kormoc: what we talked about earlier today
[06:49:00] mchou: kormoc: frankly it's bullshit
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[06:58:00] kormoc: mchou, wtf?
[06:58:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[07:04:00] mchou: kormoc: wtf at me or WD?
[07:04:00] kormoc: WD
[07:04:00] mchou: lol
[07:04:00] mchou: exactly
[07:05:00] kormoc: that's just assine
[07:05:00] mchou: yeah, tell me about it
[07:05:00] cosmo__: wohoo, dev fight!
[07:06:00] mchou: yet another reason not to buy WD crap
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[07:06:00] mchou: it's like a box of chocolates.....you never know what you get in the box
[07:06:00] cosmo__: ^ that actually happened to me too! It pissed me off
[07:06:00] cosmo__: I bought a 200gb hard drive, because I fucking needed 200gb, I got an 185 gb drive
[07:07:00] mchou: cosmo__: well, that might be a slightly different story
[07:07:00] mchou: GiB vs. GB
[07:07:00] cosmo__: ah, good point indeed
[07:07:00] cosmo__: well, fuck them anyways, stick it to the man!
[07:08:00] mchou: whois cosmo__
[07:08:00] mchou: hehe
[07:08:00] mchou: cosmo__: where do you go to school?
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[07:10:00] mchou: kormoc: the funny thing in that FAQ is that they dont tell you 200mb less than what :)
[07:11:00] mchou: X-200 vs Y-200, you STILL end up with different values
[07:11:00] mchou: when X!=Y
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[07:11:00] mchou: dumbasses
[07:11:00] kormoc: I assume they mean then the 'rated' size, so 120 gig – 200
[07:12:00] mchou: kormoc: they dont specify 200MiB or MB either.
[07:13:00] mchou: it's a non-answer is what it is.
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[07:14:00] defaultro: good evening guys
[07:14:00] mchou: kormoc: the funny thing is that they all have the same capacity (if you regard the HPA as "usable" on the ones that have it)
[07:15:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[07:15:00] mchou: kormoc: so they dont provide any explanation at all why some drives have HPA and some dont
[07:15:00] mchou: hi defaultro
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[07:15:00] defaultro: what's up?
[07:16:00] mchou: defaultro: wtf is up w/ your inet?
[07:16:00] defaultro: inet?
[07:16:00] defaultro: it's my wireless
[07:16:00] defaultro: not my internet
[07:16:00] kormoc: tis the odd indeed
[07:16:00] mchou: defaultro: ok
[07:16:00] defaultro: prolly, poor signal in living room
[07:16:00] defaultro: my ap is in the basement
[07:16:00] mchou: defaultro: on you fusion, is the svid "exposed" on the bracket?
[07:16:00] defaultro: that could be the reason why
[07:17:00] mchou: your*
[07:17:00] defaultro: nope
[07:17:00] defaultro: you have to drill it :)
[07:17:00] mchou: defaultro: you expose it? :)
[07:17:00] defaultro: mike told me that it's working
[07:17:00] defaultro: not yet
[07:17:00] defaultro: i dont have a need
[07:17:00] mchou: yeah it works
[07:17:00] mchou: defaultro: mike who?
[07:17:00] defaultro: cool
[07:17:00] defaultro: krufky
[07:17:00] defaultro: the fusion code writer
[07:17:00] mchou: ok.
[07:18:00] defaultro: you bought fusion?
[07:18:00] mchou: no, ordering one tommorow
[07:18:00] defaultro: ok
[07:18:00] mchou: from snapstream
[07:18:00] defaultro: where are you planning to use the svideo?
[07:19:00] mchou: give rotten TX som of my money even if GWB is from there
[07:19:00] mchou: some*
[07:19:00] defaultro: my wife is complaining now about me buying a crt projector :D LOL
[07:19:00] defaultro: ok
[07:19:00] mchou: defaultro: no, not planning to use svideo....
[07:19:00] defaultro: ok
[07:19:00] defaultro: mchou, i got the analog working :)
[07:19:00] mchou: but I think the snapstream come with svid exposed
[07:19:00] defaultro: great
[07:20:00] defaultro: but i have some minor issue, high pitch sound
[07:20:00] defaultro: looks like a static
[07:20:00] defaultro: on all comcast channels
[07:20:00] mchou: that's probably your crappy sound card
[07:20:00] defaultro: :)
[07:20:00] defaultro: it's working great for my SPDIF though
[07:21:00] mchou: then it's definately your sound card
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[07:21:00] defaultro: ok
[07:21:00] mchou: no other explanation
[07:21:00] mchou: what sound chip?
[07:21:00] defaultro: i couldn't remember, i think it;s realtek
[07:21:00] defaultro: it's a cheap built in
[07:21:00] mchou: lol. like I said, crap
[07:22:00] defaultro: sound card
[07:22:00] defaultro: :D
[07:22:00] defaultro: but it's spdif is awesome
[07:22:00] defaultro: but not the analog
[07:22:00] mchou: my realtek (analog) works ok though
[07:22:00] defaultro: i have to check why am getting static
[07:22:00] mchou: ground loop
[07:23:00] defaultro: i don't know if it's the cable
[07:23:00] mchou: I doubt if it's the cable if you're getting good reception :)
[07:23:00] defaultro: i will have to use cat to play a long audio file and check whether there is high pitch sound too
[07:25:00] mchou: kormoc: are windows oem licenses (eg. MCE) transferable?
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[07:25:00] defaultro: i got disconnected again
[07:25:00] mchou: once they've been activated?
[07:26:00] kormoc: mchou, offically, no, they are if the hardware gets transfered with them
[07:26:00] defaultro: did you get my msg mchou? last msg i posted was " audio cable"
[07:26:00] defaultro: then i got disconnected
[07:26:00] mchou: kormoc: I mean if you "resell mce" with say an ivtv card.
[07:26:00] mchou: defaultro: yeah
[07:26:00] kormoc: mchou, if it's the same hardware it came with, then it is, afaik
[07:27:00] mchou: goddamn msft
[07:27:00] mchou: I dont know why ppl put up with their shite
[07:31:00] kormoc: yeah
[07:31:00] kormoc: tis why I use windows
[07:31:00] mchou: is there a svg plugin for mozilla?
[07:31:00] mchou: kormoc: I hope that's a freudian slip :)
[07:31:00] kormoc: I don't think so, but it's built into firefox iirc
[07:32:00] kormoc: erm
[07:32:00] kormoc: I ment to say, tis why I don't use windows ;)
[07:32:00] mchou: haha
[07:32:00] mchou: I'm trying to get the map player from this page to work: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/invitation . . . key=MTYwMg==
[07:33:00] mchou: MS explorer crap.
[07:34:00] defaultro: good night guys, see you tomorrow
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[07:34:00] kormoc: mchou, it's not pure svg, as opera doesn't understand it
[07:35:00] mchou: I'm more inclined to believe MS explorer requirement is gumming up the works there.
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[07:36:00] kormoc: I have it set to emulate ie, and it gets the file and trys to run it and tosses up a error
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[07:37:00] mchou: this gps bike computer is some cool shit
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[07:41:00] kormoc: nice
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[09:24:00] sean33: hi i have a problem with the guide being out of sync by an hour , I read that i have to change the timezone due to day light savings only im not sure where to do that
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[09:27:00] Cougar: sean33: does your 'date' show right time/
[09:27:00] Cougar: ?
[09:28:00] sean33: yep
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[09:29:00] Cougar: in mythtv-setup you can change XMLTV timezone and I suggest to use automatic there
[09:29:00] Cougar: is your 'date -u' about Mon Jan 30 09:32:08 UTC 2006 ?
[09:30:00] sean33: Mon Jan 30 09:29:33 UTC 2006
[09:30:00] Cougar: ok, timezone looks right
[09:31:00] Cougar: even your clock is not right ;-)
[09:31:00] Cougar: use NTP ;-)
[09:31:00] sean33: its close but
[09:31:00] sean33: yea i havent set a ntp service on it yet
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[09:32:00] sean33: thats make a difference
[09:32:00] sean33: ^ not going
[09:32:00] sean33: ^ to
[09:32:00] sean33: <- tired
[09:32:00] Cougar: but thats can't make 1 hour difference
[09:33:00] Cougar: you just have not used automatic time offset or your listings doesn't use utc which is very bad
[09:33:00] sean33: yea i tried adjusting the XMLTV timezone but its doing nothing -100 no change
[09:33:00] Cougar: after change you have to run mythfilldatabase again afaik
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[09:36:00] sean33: how can i blank the tv guide ?
[09:36:00] Cougar: just load new guide
[09:36:00] Cougar: mythfilldatabase
[09:38:00] sean33: ok
[09:40:00] sean33: i also get no channel icon for free.Melbourne.9 any idea why that is like that ?
[09:40:00] Cougar: others have icon?
[09:40:00] sean33: all the others are ok
[09:40:00] sean33: yea
[09:41:00] sean33: 10, 7, 2 , 31 and 28 all ok with icons only 9 is missing
[09:43:00] sean33: ok program giude seems all good now thanks
[09:44:00] sean33: much better when things are in the right spot
[09:44:00] Cougar: check that you have right name in db and this file really exists and is accessibel
[09:45:00] sean33: for the chanel 9 icon ?
[09:45:00] Cougar: yep
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[09:47:00] sean33: it was automaticly set somewhere, is there a list i can check against ?
[09:49:00] sean33: gets the program giude ok so must have the right name
[09:55:00] Cougar: good
[09:56:00] sean33: how do i ajust the brightness ?
[09:57:00] sean33: says F key but doesnt do anything
[09:57:00] laga: make sure you have 'use xv picture pictures' enabled
[09:57:00] sean33: where is that option ?
[09:58:00] Cougar: somwhere setup -> tv -> playback I think
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[10:01:00] sean33: ok found that option now F brings up the brightness but its stuck on 50% arrow keys dont change value
[10:02:00] sean33: maybe its not fucuntional on the card ?
[10:12:00] sean33: help ?
[10:13:00] Cougar: xv adjustments adjusts only display properties and not capture settings
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[10:17:00] juski: morning
[10:18:00] laga: hi juski
[10:18:00] juski: hi laga
[10:18:00] juski: used my mythvideo script last night.. very handy
[10:19:00] sean33: so umm live tv which is a running cache umm how do i ajust the brightness ?
[10:20:00] laga: juski: what mythvideo script? porn-get? :)
[10:28:00] sean33: can i manualy adjust the brigtness with ivtv(something)
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[10:31:00] juski: laga: little perl thing to play all videos based on certain criteria from the first video selected ;-)
[10:31:00] laga: juski: spiffy :)
[10:32:00] juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/scripts/multiplay.tar
[10:32:00] ** laga is currently playing around with mythtranscode --dvd (some patch in trac) **
[10:32:00] laga: juski: i'll download it and play with it later :)
[10:33:00] sean33: <- needs help
[10:33:00] juski: so now mythvideo has a very rudimentary playlist feature ;)
[10:33:00] laga: juski: your web host is giving me a .html again
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[10:33:00] sean33: <- needs more help ( PLEASE )
[10:33:00] sean33: :)
[10:34:00] laga: sean33: i'd suggest that you search the mailing lists at www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ i'm sure your problem has been discussed before there
[10:34:00] laga: juski: multiplay.tar: HTML document text
[10:34:00] sean33: yea done that gettting to many false positives
[10:35:00] sean33: if i only knew what my problem was lol
[10:35:00] laga: sean33: describe your problem
[10:35:00] juski: laga: ? worked ok from here :-/
[10:35:00] laga: juski: we had that problem before with your .mp3s
[10:36:00] sean33: i press "f" i get the contrast , brightness but will not change from 50% , except volume which works
[10:36:00] sean33: while in live tv mode
[10:36:00] laga: sean33: well, did you enable those xv picture controls?
[10:36:00] sean33: yep before the "F" did nothing
[10:36:00] juski: laga: I'mm put it on my own server
[10:36:00] sean33: now the OSD pops up with the contol settings but cant change it
[10:37:00] sean33: like they are locked at 50%
[10:38:00] laga: weird
[10:39:00] laga: sorry, never heard of that. are you sure you're using Xv? check the mythfrontend logs for entries saying you're not using Xv
[10:39:00] sean33: i restarted the frontend and back end after enabeling the Xv thing
[10:40:00] sean33: what is Xv ?
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[10:40:00] sean33: says using XV port 240
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[10:44:00] sean33: ummm "Could not get the colour key color , and we need it " ummm that related ?
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[10:59:00] sean33: i have a PVR-150 do i need a /dev/video16 or is that just for the PVR-350 ?
[10:59:00] juski: laga: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/multiplay.tar
[11:00:00] Merlin83b: juski: I did a transcode yesterday to get rid of commercials in a recording and now when played it's all weird and red/green flashy. Any ideas what happened? Has it transcoded to something daft?
[11:00:00] Merlin83b: Also, good morning :-)
[11:01:00] juski: Merlin83b: on via xvmc? I get that too
[11:01:00] juski: but if you timestretch, it'll play fine ;-)
[11:01:00] juski: morning btw :-)
[11:01:00] Merlin83b: I grabbed it onto my Windows desktoip and it won't play at all.
[11:01:00] juski: mine play great in VLC
[11:01:00] Merlin83b: Oh yeah? Madness. This was in preparation to burning it to DVD.
[11:01:00] Merlin83b: Is it now rtjpeg or something?
[11:02:00] juski: nope.. mpeg4 I think, that's the default transcoder
[11:02:00] juski: laga: got the file yet? I'll block off my server when you have
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[11:02:00] Merlin83b: I'll take a look later on, not sure that would stop it playing but I'll give vlc a go or something I guess.
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[11:09:00] juski: Merlin83b: mplayer & VLC are two of the few programs which will play mythtv files properly.. mediaplayer is crap (figures)
[11:09:00] Merlin83b: Heh, fair enough.
[11:10:00] Merlin83b: If it's a standard mpeg4 file it should be okay though – I use it for other stuff!
[11:12:00] Merlin83b: Just need to get it onto a DVD somehow, transcode was only to take out the ad breaks :<
[11:12:00] Havelock: Anyone compiled current svn snapshot with QT4?
[11:12:00] sean33: Xv issue fixed works fine on the TV just not when i am running on the LCD
[11:13:00] juski: Merlin83b: if you're using SVN there's lossless mpeg2 transcoding – mpeg2 to mpeg2 ;-)
[11:13:00] juski: Havelock: QT4 is not supported
[11:14:00] sean33: i guess the issue is xv locking into the primary monitor not the secondary... anyways fixed 1 down 100 to go
[11:15:00] Merlin83b: juski: Think I need to play in the transcode settings. When did that lossless stuff go in?
[11:15:00] Havelock: juski: Ah, ok. I tried that but switched back to QT3. Thanks.
[11:16:00] Caveman: is there anything special required to get a second tuner to work?
[11:16:00] juski: Merlin83b: been in there a while
[11:16:00] Merlin83b: Cool, playing with settings it is, then.
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[11:19:00] juski: Caveman: extra tuners go in just as easily as the first
[11:19:00] sean33: Caveman , yea i would like to know the answer to that too , have another PRV-150 i want to put in
[11:19:00] juski: same drill applies.. step 1 is to check it works before trying it in mythtv
[11:20:00] sean33: God noooooooowww!! the first one was a dam nightmare
[11:20:00] juski: step2: add it into mythtv-setup and assign it a video source
[11:20:00] Caveman: cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 [v4l2]
[11:20:00] Caveman: cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi0
[11:20:00] juski: sean33: so you reckon. I've got 3 tuners & they all work _great_ and were a doddle to add
[11:20:00] Caveman: it seems both cards are being loaded
[11:21:00] juski: Caveman: from what you just put up there I can't see what you mean
[11:21:00] sean33: 3 tuners ?
[11:21:00] sean33: what types ?
[11:21:00] juski: yeah. 2 DVB-T cards and a PVR150
[11:22:00] juski: no messing around with framegrabbers for me
[11:22:00] sean33: i have a 1300 i dunno if i can get it working though
[11:23:00] Caveman: well, when I do an lspci both cards are showing – 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
[11:23:00] Caveman: 0000:00:0a.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)
[11:23:00] sean33: an 2 pvr-150's
[11:23:00] juski: lspci is no indication
[11:23:00] juski: that just tells you they're in the motherboard
[11:23:00] Caveman: which is a start :)
[11:24:00] sean33: lol
[11:24:00] juski: you can look at it & see that ;-)
[11:24:00] Caveman: hehe
[11:24:00] juski: so you should have /dev/video0 and a /dev/video1
[11:25:00] juski: and be able to cat from /dev/video<x> into an mpeg file & play it
[11:25:00] juski: and that's _before_ you go into mythtv-setup
[11:25:00] juski: wasting your time otherwise
[11:26:00] Caveman: cat /dev/video1 is no such device
[11:26:00] juski: oh dear
[11:26:00] juski: what about video0 ?
[11:27:00] Caveman: yeah that works
[11:27:00] juski: did you have to edit any files to get the driver to give you video0 ? like adding aliases?
[11:27:00] Caveman: not that i can remember
[11:28:00] juski: find an ivtv howto guide for your distro & check that
[11:30:00] stuarta: oa@iki.fi here anywhere?
[11:32:00] stuarta: obviously not. Morning all :)
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[11:37:00] Caveman: is ivtv required for DVB? I'm running DVICO Fusion DVB-T Plus cards
[11:38:00] stuarta: no
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[11:39:00] directhex|work: and you'd want to poke around /dev/dvb not /dev/video*
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[11:40:00] Caveman: hmm, i've got a /dev/dvb/apapter0 but not a 1
[11:41:00] stuarta: it's a start.
[11:42:00] directhex|work: are the two cards identical?
[11:42:00] Caveman: yeah
[11:43:00] directhex|work: can you put a complete lspci onto pastebin.com ?
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[11:44:00] Caveman: http://pastebin.com/530211
[11:44:00] directhex|work: okay, that's only 1 card
[11:45:00] Caveman: bugger
[11:45:00] directhex|work: how exactly are the cards plugged in – straight into adjoining PCI slots, without any riser card or similar?
[11:46:00] Caveman: they are in a Silverstone LC11, which uses AGP/PCI riser cards
[11:46:00] directhex|work: HAHAHA
[11:46:00] directhex|work: bin it
[11:46:00] directhex|work: bin it now
[11:46:00] Caveman: :/
[11:47:00] directhex|work: i had an LC11, binning it fixed about ten concurrent problems i had
[11:47:00] Caveman: yeah? I havn't noticed any problems
[11:47:00] Caveman: granted i've only been at this for a month or so
[11:47:00] directhex|work: if you really don't want to do that, then i can try and help. but the lc11 is defective in multiple places and in multiple ways
[11:48:00] directhex|work: okay. your pci/agp riser module thing. it's plugged into the far-right agp and pci slots. is the connector-on-a-wire plugged into the second-from-right pci slot?
[11:49:00] Merlin83b: juski: (or anyone else who knows) is it normal to put TV cards all in the backend or some in frontends? Is it even possible to have them in frontends?
[11:50:00] directhex|work: Merlin83b, only backends use tv cards. your frontend can also be a backend, though
[11:50:00] Merlin83b: Indeed – I have a combined one at the moment but am thinking of adding a second frontend.
[11:53:00] directhex|work: Caveman, i.e. it should look like http://www.short-media.com/images/mm/Reviews/ . . . 3rd_plug.jpg
[11:53:00] directhex|work: Merlin83b, so do it. it's simple enough, as long as your backends have static IP addresses
[11:53:00] Caveman: right, no I was not aware that was required
[11:53:00] Merlin83b: directhex|work: I have to buy the hardware though, so a little bit of planning is okay :-)
[11:54:00] Merlin83b: And yes it's all static. I'm very comfortable with networking and the like.
[11:54:00] Caveman: however looking at it that does make sense
[11:54:00] directhex|work: Caveman, to save money, silverstone don't include a proper pci chip on the riser. the connector-on-a-wire basically steals signal timing data from a second pci slot
[11:55:00] laga: juski: downloaded the file, thanks
[11:55:00] directhex|work: Caveman, i just hope you've still got your wire spare somewhere
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[11:56:00] sean33: i have a silverstone 16PC something
[11:58:00] Caveman: I searched high and low for reviews on the LC11, could hardly find anything
[11:58:00] sean33: that riser is pritty cool
[11:58:00] Caveman: if i'd seen some of this negative feedback I would have been sure to go another way
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[12:01:00] directhex|work: http://forums.hexus.net/showpost.php?p=539662&postcount=103
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[12:08:00] juski: cheera laga.. I'll delete it now.. buggers go through the chat logs downloading files I post
[12:08:00] Merlin83b: You should replace it with something comical, then :-)
[12:09:00] stuarta: some people must be desparate...
[12:11:00] juski: heh.,. downloading my scripts... that's what I call desperate
[12:11:00] sean33: sugested fix for the blue border is " xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048 " but i dont have vxattr on the system ?
[12:12:00] stuarta: xvattr or vxattr?
[12:12:00] GreyFoxx: xvattr doesn't come with x
[12:12:00] GreyFoxx: you will have to find and install it
[12:12:00] sean33: what package is it in ?
[12:13:00] GreyFoxx: No idea,
[12:13:00] GreyFoxx: I don't do packages
[12:27:00] sean33: seems like a bit of a bum hack to me
[12:27:00] juski: so just overscan the lines off the screen like they're usually meant to be
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[12:36:00] GreyFoxx: sean33: Show me ANYTHING in the computer hardware or software world thagt isn't a hack ?
[12:36:00] GreyFoxx: Usually you just don't know about it :)
[12:38:00] juski: legacy hardware compatability – just a bunch of hacks
[12:40:00] GreyFoxx: and if you ever get a look at the source to commerical apps and drivers....hacks with a pretty interface :)
[12:40:00] juski: it's amazing how little good coding practice is carried out in the big bad world ;-)
[12:41:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[12:42:00] GreyFoxx: And amazing how often commercial drivers make up for hardware short comings or failures, hence why a lot of companies wont let out their source.... you'd see that feature Y on hardware X doesn't actually work but the driverfakes it... or how it's all a bunch of duct tape bubblegum tied together with shoestrings :)
[12:42:00] laga: hacks work great sometimes, so why bother? :)
[12:45:00] ** juski thought 'hacks' was the generic name for windows programmers **
[12:45:00] ivor: nah, windows programmers don't hack..
[12:45:00] laga: i thought that was 'tools'
[12:45:00] ivor: "hacking" is the sole preserve of the *nix coder.
[12:45:00] ivor: windwos programmers "script" :)
[12:46:00] juski: some people here call themselves developers when all they do is design dialog boxes in VB
[12:46:00] juski: hey I edited a few xml files for a theme.. does that mean I'm a developer too? ;-)
[12:47:00] GreyFoxx: god that is so familiar :)
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[12:48:00] juski: goddammit.. people are _still_ trying to find my crazy frog videos :-/
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[12:51:00] ivor: juski: goatse.cx redirect. you know it makes sense.
[12:52:00] juski: ?
[12:52:00] ivor: for people looking for your crazy from videos?
[12:52:00] laga: hahaha
[12:52:00] juski: the OS stats for my site concern me a little... Windows XP indeed. what have I done?
[12:53:00] ivor: oh dear. shamefull.
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[12:54:00] juski: need some code to tell them to get a proper OS
[12:54:00] juski: so that's the demographic who like my theme.. XP users
[12:55:00] Freman: I can't get mythgame to work with xmame.. I've set up my xmame binary location to /usr/games/bin/xmame.xll and mythgame keeps telling me it's incompatible
[12:55:00] juski: Freman: so get one that _is_ compatible ;-)
[12:56:00] Freman: according to what I'm reading... it IS compatible...
[12:56:00] Freman: bawx bin # /usr/games/bin/xmame.x11 -version
[12:56:00] Freman: xmame (x11) version 0.103 (Jan 30 2006)
[13:01:00] GreyFoxx: Freman: what myth version?
[13:01:00] juski: btw if anyone is in the market for a new cellphone: www.trashbat.co.ck
[13:01:00] Freman: 0.18.1
[13:02:00] Freman: I even tried a suggested wrapper script for xmame
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[13:02:00] GreyFoxx: Freman: as far I knew 0.18 require xmame 0.97
[13:03:00] GreyFoxx: but I don't have a copy of 0.18 to verify it
[13:03:00] Freman: the wrapper prints 0.97 (c;
[13:04:00] Freman: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2946859.html#2946859 (c:
[13:04:00] GreyFoxx: well it must be returning something mythgame doesn't like :)
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[13:05:00] Caveman: [22:54] <directhex|work> Caveman, to save money, silverstone don't include a proper pci chip on the riser. the connector-on-a-wire basically steals signal timing data from a second pci slot <-- thanks directhex, that sorted it
[13:05:00] Caveman: for dual tuners can you use the passthrough aerial out to feed to the second tuners aerial in or do you need a splitter?
[13:06:00] juski: Caveman: depends on the tuner
[13:06:00] juski: my dvb-t tuners are just looped in together
[13:06:00] juski: don't use the pvr150's tuner
[13:07:00] Caveman: i just tried with the DVICO DVB-T Plus and it didn't seem to like it
[13:08:00] juski: caveman: I thought you were using ivtv for some reason... heh.. that lspci you posted has the card misidentified as a PVR2000 card I bet
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[13:15:00] juski: huh? 'HD-ready' TVs here.. 1360x720.. that's not very good is it?
[13:16:00] Freman: It's not even calling it!!!
[13:18:00] Freman: I moved xmamewrap to / and made it print the commandline to /mamewrap – it's not being executed
[13:19:00] Freman: hahaha
[13:19:00] Freman: restart mythtv and it' s happy now
[13:20:00] NHIwerx: if I want to transcode to lower resolution like 520 or so is it better to transcode down from 720 to it or record in 520 right away
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[13:49:00] porkrynde: What's the status on getting the Kworld atsc-110 working?
[13:55:00] stuarta: if it's got linux support it should be okay
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[13:59:00] Freman: WHOOOOOT!!! I got xmame working... now I only have to work out how to drive it...
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[14:31:00] ** Freman wonders if he can use 0.19 plugins with a 0.18 myth (c: **
[14:31:00] laga: no
[14:31:00] Freman: doh
[14:32:00] laga: but 0.19 is nigh :)
[14:32:00] Freman: I wonder how much has changed then... portage doesn't have a full 0.19 set of myth* availible
[14:32:00] stuarta: I'd say wait a week....
[14:33:00] ** Freman hopes and prays it doesn't break everything on the upgrade **
[14:36:00] ** Freman goes to sleep **
[14:38:00] sphing: .19?
[14:38:00] sphing: did i miss something in the last couple of days?
[14:38:00] stuarta: can't miss what hasn't happened yet.
[14:39:00] ivor: stuarta: oh but you can.
[14:39:00] stuarta: tho a brief hint was dropped on Friday.
[14:39:00] stuarta: ivor: especially if you are in the wrong time zone.
[14:40:00] sphing: i was going to say... there wasnt anything on the site
[14:40:00] stuarta: or in the topic.
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[14:40:00] ivor: stuarta: oh I just meant in general. :) I miss eva herzegova doing a striptease for example.
[14:40:00] ** stuarta drools.... **
[14:41:00] stuarta: am now in a far way place....
[14:42:00] ** stuarta lands with a bump back in reality :( **
[14:43:00] ** laga pats stuarta **
[14:43:00] stuarta: tnx
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[14:52:00] aethera_: hi all
[14:53:00] aethera_: I have a bt878 tv tuner
[14:53:00] aethera_: but it does not seem to be working
[14:53:00] aethera_: I used tvtime to test it but the tvtime-scanner just reports no signal
[14:53:00] aethera_: I think its the way the bttv driver is modprobed
[14:54:00] aethera_: because I dont know what card it is on the bttv driver list
[14:54:00] stuarta: does dmesg show anything useful?
[14:54:00] aethera_: bttv0: using tuner=-1
[14:55:00] aethera_: bttv: Bt8xx card found (0).
[14:55:00] stuarta: so does mine and it works.
[14:55:00] aethera_: stuarta: hmmm
[14:55:00] aethera_: :(
[14:55:00] stuarta: Paste the relevant bits into a pastebin.ca
[14:55:00] stuarta: lspci would be nice too.
[14:57:00] aethera_: http://pastebin.ca/39126
[14:58:00] aethera_: is the dmesg
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[14:59:00] aethera_: http://pastebin.ca/39127
[14:59:00] aethera_: and thats the lspic
[14:59:00] aethera_: lspci
[14:59:00] aethera_: :)
[14:59:00] aethera_: thanks for trying to help stuarta
[15:00:00] stuarta: looks like a bt878 backend with an unknown frontend.
[15:00:00] aethera_: hmmm
[15:00:00] stuarta: head over to #linuxtv, it's a driver issue.
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[15:02:00] aethera_: stuarta: they are all sleeping :P
[15:02:00] laga: does #linuxtv support v4l also? i thought they only do DVB
[15:02:00] stuarta: could try #v4l then
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[15:24:00] MeeKs: can someone give me some advice on getting a capture card for my myth box im using
[15:25:00] directhex|work: without any context? no
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[15:25:00] MeeKs: what do yo mean
[15:26:00] directhex|work: fine. i recommend a TechnoTrend T-1500
[15:27:00] MeeKs: i was considering an hauppage
[15:27:00] directhex|work: assuming a recent enough kernel, and no need for certain features, that would work
[15:28:00] porkrynde: stuarta: kworld support seems to be in development, but not far away.
[15:28:00] MeeKs: i guess what i need to know is once i have my tuner do i need another card for tv out, and if so what do you recommend and how is the quality of the tv out. i have seen some in the past look like hell
[15:28:00] porkrynde: I can't seem to find the same type of info for the ATI HDTV Wonder
[15:28:00] MeeKs: i want it to be as good as my tivo
[15:29:00] directhex|work: MeeKs, that would depend on the tuner card, and how you plan on driving the tv out. and the type of signals. in fact, this entire discussion depends on having *some* idea of what the hell you want to achieve
[15:29:00] stuarta: kworld seem to stick to reference designs.
[15:29:00] MeeKs: well i have analog cable with a tivo box
[15:30:00] MeeKs: my tv has component, svid, etc inputs
[15:30:00] MeeKs: i want to build a myth box that will function like my tivo does
[15:30:00] directhex|work: context! :o
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[15:31:00] directhex|work: probably a job for a PVR250 or 350. i don't deal with analog, so i can't help
[15:31:00] MeeKs: what about a tv out card then
[15:31:00] directhex|work: that would depend on whether you got a PVR350 or not
[15:32:00] MeeKs: im looking at a 150mce or 250
[15:33:00] porkrynde: directhex|work: HDTV?
[15:33:00] directhex|work: porkrynde, eh?
[15:33:00] porkrynde: you don't deal with analog. So I assume HDTV? Or Sattelite?
[15:34:00] directhex|work: porkrynde, DVB-T
[15:34:00] ** porkrynde is looking for a good HDTV card **
[15:34:00] stuarta: porkrynde: it's a bit early yet for the people you want.
[15:34:00] stuarta: they still in bed...
[15:34:00] porkrynde: they all on west coast time?
[15:35:00] stuarta: how long is a piece of string?
[15:35:00] porkrynde: 7 or 8
[15:35:00] porkrynde: Depends on where the cut is
[15:35:00] stuarta: I dunno
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[15:40:00] juski: if you will want to play anything that isn't mpeg2, don't buy a pvr350
[15:42:00] directhex|work: analog rubbish ;)
[15:43:00] stuarta: juski: why were you complaining about HDTV ready screens before?
[15:44:00] juski: stuarta: was just browsing.. and was shocked to see what british shops are calling 'hd ready'
[15:44:00] stuarta: :)
[15:44:00] directhex|work: juski, HD Ready is a specific spec.
[15:44:00] porkrynde: stuarta: I assumed since I'm at GMT-5, that you meant that the majority of HDTV users were on US West Coast time, GMT-8.
[15:45:00] stuarta: Some of them think 1280x768 is hd ready...
[15:45:00] porkrynde: I was merely asking for clarification.
[15:45:00] directhex|work: stuarta, it might not be hd ready, but it is HD Ready(tm)
[15:45:00] stuarta: porkrynde: They are all in the states somewhere,
[15:45:00] stuarta: though I have no idea where.
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[15:45:00] porkrynde: I'm on the East Coast (GMT-5) and I've been up for 4 hours now.  :)
[15:45:00] stuarta: 1280 can't even do HD aspect ratios....
[15:46:00] juski: so 'hd ready' means it can work with hd but it'll scale it down
[15:47:00] directhex|work: the HD Ready logo requires: 1) A screen with at least 720 vertical lines 2) The ability to read 720p or 1080i signals via YPbPr and (HDMI or DVI/HCMP) connectors and display them
[15:47:00] juski: so that m,means there are either few or no true HD displays in the UK yet
[15:48:00] directhex|work: basically, that falls into three camps: 1366x768 LCD screens; cheaper 1280x768 screens with dodgy aspect ratios; screens that use the logo without a license (e.g. 852x480 Plasmas sometimes use the logo)
[15:48:00] Merlin83b: Then the HD federation or whatever it is needs to set lawyers onto them.
[15:48:00] directhex|work: EICTA? yes, they should
[15:48:00] Merlin83b: You'd have thought they'd care about brand protection.
[15:49:00] directhex|work: basically, the cheaper screens sold in supermaekets are never HD, despite claims to the contrary
[15:49:00] stuarta: supermarkets != hifi stores (ever, ever, ever.....)
[15:49:00] directhex|work: one particularly contested screen is one which *does* have >720 lines, and *does* have YPbPr and DVI – but all input is resampled to 1024x768 then re-resampled to 1280x768
[15:50:00] stuarta: messy.
[15:50:00] directhex|work: 2-step dvi resampling \o/
[15:50:00] stuarta: over re-use of existing components?
[15:50:00] directhex|work: anyway, i have a 26" samsung (1366x768) with built-in dvb-t
[15:51:00] stuarta: there's also plenty of variation in contrast ratios and response time.
[15:51:00] directhex|work: well, sure
[15:51:00] directhex|work: but in the end, as long as you buy a set from a real brand, it'll do the job
[15:52:00] directhex|work: of course, the real brands aren't cheap. the cheapest *proper* hd set on the market is the 23" samsung w/o freeview
[15:52:00] directhex|work: which is about £475 ($840)
[15:53:00] stuarta: with the quality of my LG TFT monitors, I'd stick with them for me anyway.
[15:53:00] directhex|work: (where i use terms like "proper hd", read it as "HD Ready compliant"
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[16:20:00] MeeKs: does anyone use their mythbox on a regular tv instead of a pc monitor?
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: I do.
[16:21:00] MeeKs: how does it look
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: Lots of people do :-)
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: Looks good to me :-)
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: You need to run at the right resolution.
[16:21:00] MeeKs: which is what
[16:21:00] MeeKs: i have a 27" tv
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: PAL or NTSC?
[16:21:00] MeeKs: nt
[16:22:00] Merlin83b: TV size makes no difference.
[16:22:00] MeeKs: didnt know heh
[16:22:00] Merlin83b: 720x480
[16:22:00] MeeKs: i thought tvs didnt even do 640 480
[16:22:00] Merlin83b: They don't, which is why I didn't say 640x480.
[16:22:00] MeeKs: ah
[16:23:00] MeeKs: i am going to use knoppmyth to get everything set up, once its done i can adjust the res accordingly?
[16:23:00] Merlin83b: You can in the XF86config file
[16:23:00] directhex|work: 720x480 is the resolution of video on NTSC DVD, in case you don't recognise it
[16:23:00] Merlin83b: XF86config-4 I should say.
[16:23:00] MeeKs: yea i did
[16:23:00] MeeKs: ah ok
[16:24:00] MeeKs: does it matter if i get a MCE card or not
[16:24:00] Merlin83b: I believe the only difference is one comes with a remote control.
[16:24:00] MeeKs: ah
[16:24:00] Merlin83b: And possible a different set of inputs?
[16:24:00] MeeKs: will check
[16:24:00] directhex|work: are you planning on running windows media center edition?
[16:25:00] MeeKs: nope
[16:25:00] MeeKs: i dislike windows
[16:25:00] tetra: lol@windows
[16:25:00] directhex|work: MeeKs, are you planning on supplying your own remote control?
[16:25:00] Merlin83b: MeeKs: Check the hardware (Which Card are you using) at knoppmythwiki.org – plenty of people are using them.
[16:25:00] MeeKs: no
[16:26:00] MeeKs: the card comes with one
[16:27:00] directhex|work: MeeKs, the MCE doesn't
[16:27:00] MeeKs: http://www.zakpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=1 . . . ucts_id=4085
[16:27:00] MeeKs: thats the card
[16:28:00] directhex|work: that's a change on your previous hauppauge pvr150mce decision
[16:28:00] MeeKs: yes
[16:28:00] MeeKs: i can get that cheaper
[16:28:00] directhex|work: anyway, MCE cards don't come with a remote
[16:28:00] MeeKs: and i hear avermedia has better linux support
[16:28:00] directhex|work: that's the difference
[16:28:00] MeeKs: that one comes with one
[16:29:00] directhex|work: no, it doesn't
[16:29:00] MeeKs: yes it doe
[16:29:00] directhex|work: no, it doesn't
[16:29:00] Cardoe: MeeKs: no, it doesn't
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: Aver is a nightmare.
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: I have an Aver and a Hauppauge.
[16:29:00] MeeKs: the link i posted
[16:29:00] directhex|work: http://www.aver.com/2005home/product/tvtuner/ . . . e_spec.shtml – read "package includes" at the bottom
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: Aver I never got working, Hauppauge wored as soon as I put it in the box.
[16:30:00] Merlin83b: I will shortly be eBaying off the AverMedia card.
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[16:30:00] Kelerion: what Aver card is it?
[16:31:00] MeeKs: http://www.zakpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=1 . . . ucts_id=4164
[16:31:00] MeeKs: then ill get that
[16:31:00] Kelerion: I have an AverMedia Studio and I never had a problem with it
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[16:31:00] fys1: Has anyone figured out the QAM partial lock issue in SVN?
[16:32:00] directhex|work: MeeKs, do you have a low-profile case?
[16:32:00] directhex|work: MeeKs, and i thought you wanted a remote
[16:32:00] MeeKs: will be getting one
[16:32:00] MeeKs: if i have to get a remote then i will
[16:32:00] MeeKs: Kelerion: AVERMEDIA ULTRATV 1500 MCE PCI
[16:32:00] stuarta: fys1: what partial lock issue?
[16:33:00] Cardoe: cause merchants always use the correct product picture....
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[16:34:00] fys1: I noticed someone else mentioned it in the IRC log the other day. I scan for channels and it picks up a bunch as 1008_604, 1008_608, etc.
[16:35:00] fys1: I can't set these as default in mythtv-setup (says "1008_ is not a real channel. Would you like to fix it?") nor can I tune to them in the frontend — gives me a partial lock.
[16:35:00] stuarta: ooooo.
[16:36:00] stuarta: the channel scanner has issues. It's being rewritten post 0.19
[16:36:00] fys1: Can I fix it manually?
[16:36:00] fys1: Or is it an issue with QAM subchannels?
[16:36:00] stuarta: Now normally it's ATSC that has subchannels
[16:37:00] stuarta: or have you QAM modulated ATSC weirdness?
[16:37:00] stuarta: Rather than dvb
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[16:38:00] fysa: Yeah, those are all under channel 87 or so.
[16:38:00] fysa: I think it worked pre-1.9
[16:38:00] stuarta: Either delete or set as hidden the offending channels
[16:39:00] stuarta: that will hide the problem for now.
[16:39:00] fysa: is it a known issue?
[16:39:00] fysa: all of my locals are there, so I suppose I may downgrade so I can access them..
[16:40:00] stuarta: I'd send an email to the dev list, more likely to get a sensible answer.
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[16:40:00] fysa: does it matter if you select QAM-256/QAM-64 when scanning for channels?
[16:41:00] fysa: I don't think it made a difference for me.
[16:42:00] stuarta: dunno. Not in ATSC land, so I can't be much more help. :(
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[16:53:00] beavis: I'm missing the XBOX menu in mythtv-setup in current SVN, has it been removed?
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[16:56:00] stuarta: beavis: looks like 99% of changes lately have been i8ln...
[16:57:00] stuarta: or mythweb
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[17:05:00] GreyFoxx: An xbox menu ? Can't say I've ever seen such a thing in myth
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[17:10:00] beavis: GreyFoxx: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.6
[17:10:00] beavis: "Now it's time to setup MythTV for Xbox hardware. Enter Setup -> General. On the second page check the 'Enable Xbox Hardware' option. "
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[17:11:00] GreyFoxx: that's not in mythtv-setup :)
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[17:12:00] GreyFoxx: Mythfrontend. Setup->General 5th page (in SVN)
[17:14:00] laga: anyone running mythburn from SVN? i click on "create DVD" and, umm, nothing happens and i can't seem to find any log files.
[17:14:00] laga: any hints?
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[17:14:00] beavis: GreyFoxx: thanks GreyFoxx! /me feels stupid ;)
[17:14:00] GreyFoxx: np
[17:14:00] stuarta: laga: I need to hack quite a bit to get it to work with svn & projectx 0.91
[17:15:00] stuarta: that was 2 months ago tho.
[17:15:00] laga: stuarta: you da dev?
[17:15:00] stuarta: nope.
[17:15:00] laga: k
[17:15:00] laga: well, it works with recent mythweb...
[17:15:00] stuarta: I just have a habit of hacking on things I like...
[17:15:00] laga: and i've found patches to make it work with projectx 0.9.x
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[17:15:00] laga: stuarta: hehe
[17:15:00] laga: i should check their commit logs
[17:16:00] stuarta: i should try it again.
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[17:16:00] laga: hehe
[17:16:00] laga: stuarta: so you are not using it?
[17:16:00] stuarta: never got it to work properly.
[17:17:00] stuarta: been far more interested in geoff's lossless mpeg transcoder ever since.
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[17:19:00] rav3r: i am using x-chat for the first time, so sorry if anything weird comes across. i have a question about mythtv-setup. i am using a vg at /dev/vgformyth/video, do i put this path in for my recordings? (/dev/vgformyth/video/recordings)?
[17:20:00] stuarta: it needs to be a filesystem mounted somewhere.
[17:20:00] rav3r: the filesystem isn't mounted when i start?
[17:21:00] rav3r: how do i mount it, and how do i have it mount before i start mythtv
[17:21:00] rav3r: ?
[17:21:00] metalac: it is if it's in /etc/fstab
[17:21:00] stuarta: gota run, train...
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[17:22:00] rav3r: hmmm, i don't see it there
[17:22:00] rav3r: what do i need to add?
[17:23:00] Beirdo: heya, xris
[17:24:00] Beirdo: I see nuvexport #84 got reopened by "anonymous"
[17:24:00] ** porkrynde wonders if now is a good time to ask for recomendations on HDTV capture cards. **
[17:24:00] xris: I haven't noticed.
[17:25:00] rav3r: i've never edited fstab
[17:25:00] metalac: rav3r: well add it just like your root is
[17:25:00] porkrynde: Or should I just get a pchdtv card.
[17:25:00] Beirdo: Your performing a conversion on the file, but the content doesn't change just the way it's stored.
[17:25:00] metalac: copy that line and paste it below and then change mount device and mount point
[17:25:00] Beirdo: hahahah
[17:25:00] Beirdo: nice try, tard
[17:25:00] ** porkrynde likes that the ATI HDTV Wonder card has an RF remote. **
[17:26:00] Beirdo: too bad the ATI card isn't supported in Linux last I heard
[17:27:00] porkrynde: does the pchdtv card come with a remote?
[17:27:00] xris: porkrynde: nope
[17:27:00] porkrynde: blecch
[17:27:00] metalac: how hard it is to make an IR reciever? just buy an universal remote and there you go
[17:27:00] juski: blame ATI ;-)
[17:27:00] Beirdo: blame juski
[17:27:00] Beirdo: it's all his fault somehow
[17:27:00] ** porkrynde notes that he said RF, not IR. **
[17:28:00] juski: yeah go on. I can take it
[17:28:00] Beirdo: one of those butterfly-effect things, I guess
[17:28:00] porkrynde: Beirdo: So besides the pchdtv, is there any card that does have Linux support?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: juski didn't drink enough pints, so the ATI people don't bother to write Linux drivers for the HDTV Wonder
[17:29:00] Beirdo: yeah, the air2pc
[17:29:00] xris: porkrynde: so buy JUST the remote.
[17:31:00] juski: I really must stop slagging off ATI at every available opportunity ;-)
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[17:32:00] laga: stuarta: well, it should be possible to have mythburn use mythtranscode --mpeg2. it works fine for me if i do an mencoder -of mpeg -ovc copy -oac copy
[17:32:00] rav3r: i dont see which line is my root http://pastebin.ca/39137
[17:32:00] laga: sad, he's gone.
[17:34:00] porkrynde: rav3r: The top line is your root
[17:35:00] porkrynde: But it is mounted by label and not by device
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[17:36:00] rav3r: LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1
[17:36:00] rav3r: ?
[17:36:00] porkrynde: Right. You're adding a LVM volume group though right?
[17:36:00] mchou: Beirdo: you here?
[17:36:00] rav3r: it is a lvm
[17:37:00] porkrynde: You've got it created and formated already?
[17:37:00] mchou: Beirdo: check this out: http://www.citynoise.org/article/2770
[17:37:00] porkrynde: Is it currently mounted?
[17:37:00] porkrynde: i.e. does it show up when you run "mount"
[17:37:00] mchou: Beirdo: takes a bit of time to load
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[17:39:00] rav3r: it's formatted jfs
[17:39:00] rav3r: it isn't mounted
[17:40:00] rav3r: that's what i'm trying to do now
[17:41:00] rav3r: so, i need to add this line? LABEL=/ /vgformyth ext3 defaults 1 1
[17:42:00] rav3r: so, i need to add this line? LABEL=/ /vgformyth jfs defaults 1 1
[17:46:00] porkrynde: nope
[17:46:00] porkrynde: need to add /dev/vgformyth/video /vgformyth jfs defaults 1 1
[17:46:00] porkrynde: And of course create /vgformyth
[17:46:00] porkrynde: the directory
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[17:47:00] rav3r: the directory? vgformyth is the name of my vg group. where do i create a directory?
[17:48:00] porkrynde: /
[17:48:00] porkrynde: that's the second column in the /etc/fstab
[17:48:00] porkrynde: it will mount /dev/vgformyth/video in the /vgformyth folder
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[17:49:00] porkrynde: after you do that, run 'mount /dev/vgformyth/video' and it should mount your fs. If not, paste the error
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[17:51:00] rav3r: cool, im gonna restart
[17:51:00] rav3r: thanks
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[17:59:00] Led-Hed: anyone here have trouble with XMame and ATI drivers in XV mode?
[17:59:00] travis: thanks, so, in that folder i created, vgformyth, should i see a folder /video/? since that is the lv name?
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[18:05:00] porkrynde: rav3r: nope
[18:05:00] rav3r: i think i got it
[18:05:00] porkrynde: but you should see video in the mount output
[18:06:00] rav3r: i thought mythtv-setup would make the directory, but it gave me an error
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[18:06:00] rav3r: so i made /vgformyth/recordings
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[18:08:00] rav3r: now it seems to be stuck at "2006-01–30 13:05:37.325 Seem to be woken up by USER
[18:08:00] rav3r: "
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[18:13:00] rav3r: im guessing that's normal
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[18:18:00] Newton01: Hello All
[18:18:00] Newton01: Are there circumstances where the myth backend will stop encoding the audio from a tuner? An error condition perhaps?
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[18:20:00] dasOp: tuner volume being muted sure did me in before I stumbled on it
[18:20:00] Newton01: I'm looking specifically for a case where the video is still being encoded but the audio is squelched.
[18:20:00] dasOp: mightily irritating
[18:20:00] dasOp: I'd even bought a (8 bucks :P) new soundcard since I thought the old was broken
[18:20:00] Newton01: dasOp: Thanks, but I know that it's not muted because tvtime comes up with audio and everything.
[18:21:00] Newton01: dasOp: Do you loop the audio out of the capture card to your line-in of your soundcard?
[18:23:00] dasOp: yeah, internally
[18:23:00] dasOp: or atleast I was
[18:23:00] Newton01: dasOp: There's a cable going from the capture card to your sound card?
[18:23:00] dasOp: yeah, I used to do it that way
[18:23:00] dasOp: and it works
[18:23:00] to3cutt3r: what prg does mythmusic use to play audio (flac) files?
[18:23:00] Newton01: dasOp: I might end up doing it that way to get this to work.
[18:23:00] dasOp: but a month ago I found out there's an alsa driver for my capture card
[18:24:00] Newton01: dasOp: It's more painful looping through the sound card, eh?
[18:26:00] dasOp: well all my troubles came from me not realizing v4l had volume settings as well
[18:27:00] dasOp: I thought the capture card just sent audio at a set linein volume
[18:27:00] dasOp: and that it was up to the soundcard to sample at given amplitude
[18:27:00] Newton01: Yeah, I know that with the saa7134 module you have to give it a parameter before it will even expose a /dev/dsp1 and a /dev/mixer1.
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[18:29:00] to3cutt3r: I want modify the way my remote interacts with mythmusic and I can't find anything in the lirc that is mythmusic specific.
[18:32:00] Newton01: dasOp: Did you have to tweak the capture card with v4lctl or something like that to unmute it?
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[18:52:00] to3cutt3r: specificaly, I want ot add a fast forward capability to mythmusic.
[18:53:00] to3cutt3r: not skip, but scan forward.
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[19:16:00] Coume: anyone using a lircd.conf that you made yourself using irrecord to use a specific remote?
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[19:23:00] MeeKs: i got my mythtv box running today, now im wondering how i can load my mame games on it, or lets say i have a xvid movie or something i want to upload. is it running a ftp server or something like that?
[19:24:00] kormoc: no ftp
[19:24:00] laga: you using knoppmyth?
[19:24:00] MeeKs: how do i connect
[19:24:00] MeeKs: yes
[19:24:00] kormoc: you can use ssh or samba or any number of normal ways to copy files
[19:24:00] MeeKs: not too farmiliar with those, im new to linux
[19:25:00] laga: MeeKs: if you're using knoppmyth, please say so. knoppmyth is not synonymous with mythtv
[19:25:00] MeeKs: sorry
[19:25:00] MeeKs: im using knoppmyth
[19:25:00] laga: no problem, it's just confusing :))
[19:25:00] MeeKs: because mythtv needs some sort of linux distro to run on?
[19:26:00] kormoc: yes, but your question is actually rather unrelated to myth, it's more related to your distro
[19:26:00] MeeKs: ah
[19:27:00] MeeKs: you know which distro knopp uses?
[19:27:00] kormoc: knopp is it's own distro
[19:27:00] laga: it's based on knoppix which is based on debian
[19:27:00] MeeKs: oh ok
[19:27:00] MeeKs: so i would need a ftp server for debian
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[19:28:00] kormoc: if you want to use ftp
[19:28:00] MeeKs: there are no options within mythtv itself
[19:28:00] kormoc: there wouldn't be
[19:28:00] kormoc: myth doesn't care how the files get there
[19:30:00] MeeKs: i see
[19:31:00] MeeKs: this project isnt as easy as i hoped it would be heh
[19:31:00] kormoc: well, the linux design is, one program per task
[19:31:00] kormoc: myth does what it does, and it does it well
[19:31:00] MeeKs: yes i like myth
[19:31:00] kormoc: and it allows other things to be used to do other stuff
[19:31:00] MeeKs: not sure if it will replace my tivo
[19:31:00] kormoc: you should likely look towards samba, as it will allow you to use window's network file sharing to transfer files around
[19:32:00] MeeKs: i dont have a windows pc
[19:32:00] kormoc: so what do you use?
[19:32:00] laga: good news :)
[19:32:00] MeeKs: i have 2 powermac's
[19:32:00] porkrynde: Beirdo: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards says that the ATI HDTV Wonder is supported. Do you have empirical evidince otherwise?
[19:32:00] MeeKs: well we do have 1 out of commision xp box heh
[19:32:00] kormoc: I donno what would be the best for mac's
[19:32:00] Beirdo: well, give it a try, porkrynde
[19:33:00] Beirdo: last I had heard it wasn't supported, but I haven't looked in some time
[19:33:00] MeeKs: ftp for me since i have written a few nice scripts to automate the task of uploading
[19:33:00] porkrynde: kormoc: samba is available on mac
[19:33:00] kormoc: porkrynde, but would it be the best way?
[19:34:00] porkrynde: kormoc: continuous updating? or just a one time thing? And what's the host OS of the data store?
[19:34:00] kormoc: porkrynde, in his case, not continuour updateing, but randomly, and linux
[19:35:00] kormoc: and knoppmyth being the distro
[19:35:00] MeeKs: it would update it almost like a podcast really
[19:35:00] porkrynde: automount makes mounting nfs and even samba easy, but sftp should already be an option.
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[19:36:00] porkrynde: if you want ftp it should be as easy as running apt-get install vsftpd (or whatever you want) on the knoppmyth box.
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[19:36:00] MeeKs: giving it a shot now
[19:37:00] MeeKs: if i remember how to get to a terminal window heh
[19:42:00] MeeKs: hmm
[19:42:00] MeeKs: something about a locked file
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[19:42:00] MeeKs: then i sudo root and it tells me my password is wrong
[19:42:00] MeeKs: ha
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[19:47:00] MeeKs: yea
[19:49:00] mlehrer: is there a nightly deb build from SVN available?
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[20:17:00] Tobbe: Does anyone know what the default parameters are for mplayer in MythVideo? I forgot to write them down when I tried xine...
[20:17:00] jams: finally got rid of all the interference on the cable signal. The solution was to replace all the "time warner" cable and signal
[20:17:00] jams: err time warner cable and splitters
[20:18:00] jams: Tobbe- sorry I don't
[20:18:00] Tobbe: ok
[20:18:00] junco: question about myth tv before i dive into researching a project. i have digital cable.. does myth tv workr with this? will i still be able to change channels and have it very convenient?
[20:18:00] alpha_geek: Tobbe: Mine says "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s"
[20:19:00] jams: junco- yes you would just need to have myth change channels on the digital cable box.
[20:19:00] jams: many people have this working
[20:19:00] junco: jams how would it do that? how could it talk to my cable box?
[20:19:00] Tobbe: alpha_geek: thanks :)
[20:19:00] alpha_geek: np
[20:19:00] jams: junco- either via serial port, but most use an ir transmitter.
[20:20:00] alpha_geek: jams: I have that working
[20:20:00] junco: jams: i see. ok thanks. as long as i knwo its possible i'll figure it out later
[20:20:00] jams: alpha_geek- so do it ;)
[20:20:00] alpha_geek: homebrew transmiter on the serial port
[20:20:00] alpha_geek: ;)
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[20:20:00] jams: I use the one by iguana labs
[20:21:00] jams: little high but worth the saved time and effort
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[20:22:00] alpha_geek: junco: http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ed_LIRC.html
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[20:22:00] Juski: evening
[20:22:00] junco: thanks
[20:22:00] alpha_geek: jams: I had a ir blaster that came with an MCE system, i cut off the jack plug and put on a serial port, I can even see it flash
[20:23:00] junco: now i just need to build the system... the fun part
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[20:23:00] Juski: ah yes, but that fun never lasts very long
[20:23:00] Juski: ;-)
[20:24:00] laga: i think my mythburn is working now.
[20:24:00] Juski: might have to get me a deeveedee burner (another one) & do some them thar archivin'
[20:25:00] laga: dvd writing is no fun. :)
[20:25:00] laga: i just hope it works now
[20:25:00] laga: if not
[20:25:00] laga: well, do you remember what happened in those suburbs of paris?
[20:25:00] Juski: well, it's not gonna be any fun for me archiving my wife's shows if all the adverts are still in there
[20:25:00] ** jams has no trouble with it **
[20:26:00] Juski: still testing commflagging
[20:26:00] laga: Juski: commflagging works quite well..
[20:26:00] laga: for me, at least.
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[20:26:00] laga: Juski: pff ;)
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[20:26:00] Juski: so long as you commflag right away after recording.. using 'all' doesn't work if you queue the job later according to the onscreen info
[20:27:00] Juski: dunno what the difference is but hey
[20:27:00] mchou: guys, take a look at this (work-safe, takes a bit of time to d/l): http://www.citynoise.org/article/2770
[20:27:00] laga: err, that 'pff' was ment for jams :)
[20:27:00] Tobbe: how many 45min tv shows can you fit on a dvd without loosing quality? (PAL resolution)
[20:28:00] Beirdo: depends on your bitrate
[20:28:00] Juski: laga: no offence taken ;-)
[20:28:00] Juski: depends what you're prepared to watch, too
[20:28:00] Tobbe: if I want sdtv quality
[20:29:00] junco: pvr-350 a good card for this?
[20:29:00] Juski: no I mean _quality_
[20:29:00] mchou: Beirdo: that's in your neck of the woods :)
[20:29:00] Beirdo: it depends on your bitrate.
[20:29:00] Juski: junco: pvr150
[20:29:00] laga: http://lisadaveh.home.comcast.net/myxer/ – wow, that's a spiffy toy. it allows you to blend to themes together, or si think
[20:29:00] jams: hehe
[20:29:00] Beirdo: mchou: yeah, big surprise... violence happens in big cities :)
[20:29:00] Juski: you can lower the bitrate & get almost as much as you want on a disc... but who knows if you'll like what it looks like
[20:29:00] Beirdo: especially when stupid bike couriers are involved
[20:30:00] jams: laga- dave worked a while on that
[20:30:00] mchou: Beirdo: Kensignton
[20:30:00] Tobbe: what are considered a "normal" bitrate?
[20:30:00] junco: 150:? isnt the 350 better (by the obvious larger number, heh)
[20:30:00] mchou: Beirdo: where pedestrials rule
[20:30:00] Beirdo: yeah, not to far from my place. anyone who takes an SUV in there deserves a boot to the head
[20:30:00] mchou: pedestrians*
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[20:30:00] Beirdo: it's a predominantly Chinese outdoor market area
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[20:31:00] Beirdo: bringing an SUV in there is stupid, there's no space for vehicles
[20:31:00] Juski: blending themes together eh? 'nice'
[20:31:00] mchou: Beirdo: hehe
[20:31:00] Beirdo: but the stupid bike courier asked to get stomped
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[20:31:00] mchou: Beirdo: check out the raging dude's girlfriend
[20:32:00] Beirdo: if someone litters, throwing the crap back into the car is NOT smart
[20:32:00] mchou: Beirdo: there is no justice in the world.
[20:32:00] Juski: I'd like to see a motorcyclist get some wrath.. they take the rise... weaving in & out like they own the road...
[20:32:00] Beirdo: if that were any city in the US of a similar size, she woulda got shot
[20:32:00] junco: so i have parts from an old PIII 733 mhz system that i was thinking about using for my myth box. i would get a pvr 150 or 350 or whatever for it.. but is it fast enough? i dont mind spending a little money now to save headaches down the road
[20:32:00] mchou: Beirdo: how did the loser deserve that chick in the white vest?
[20:33:00] Beirdo: well endowed perhaps? or rich?
[20:33:00] Juski: Beirdo: if that was in the UK, nobody would've stepped in
[20:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:33:00] Beirdo: well, in that area, I'm not surprised they did
[20:33:00] mchou: Beirdo: girl better have enough sense to dump the guy after that episode
[20:33:00] Beirdo: I'd hope so
[20:34:00] Beirdo: bike couriers are the worst kinda assholes in this city though
[20:34:00] Beirdo: they don't obey any traffic laws
[20:34:00] mchou: Beirdo: I was a bike messenger once
[20:34:00] Beirdo: then they get indignant if someone does ANYTHING wrong against them
[20:34:00] Beirdo: they give cyclists a bad name
[20:34:00] mchou: Beirdo: and your point is?
[20:35:00] junco: i think his point was that they are assholes
[20:35:00] Juski: anything wrong.. what, like opening a door to stop them in their tracks? ;-)
[20:35:00] Beirdo: hehe, believe me, I've been tempted
[20:35:00] Beirdo: "oops, shit, didn't see you cutting between the cars there"
[20:35:00] mchou: junco: lol, that's like saying all lawyers are assholes, until you might need one
[20:36:00] Tobbe: Ok, let me rephrase my question :) How many 45min TV shows can you fit on a DVD (with menus) if the TV shows are recorded with about 1Mbit/s? (wikipedia said that was vhs quality)
[20:36:00] Beirdo: "oops, didn't see you running that red light... WHOMP!"
[20:36:00] mchou: junco: ainting with a rather broad brush there
[20:36:00] junco: mchou: right except people need lawyers a lot more than bike messengers
[20:36:00] Beirdo: Tobbe: calculate it
[20:36:00] Tobbe: :)
[20:36:00] mchou: junco: painting*
[20:36:00] Beirdo: 4.7GB / 1Mbit/s gives how many seconds of video
[20:36:00] junco: mchou: im not painting, just telling you what the other guy said. ive never met a bike messenger or even seen one and i have no opinions on them one way or the other
[20:36:00] Beirdo: don't forget to fiddle units
[20:37:00] mchou: junco: if you read the bike messenger was WALKING
[20:37:00] Beirdo: mchou: she SAID she was walking
[20:37:00] Beirdo: and then she went out of her way to open the guys door and throw a burger in his lap
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[20:37:00] mchou: so whether she was an ahole or not is beside the point
[20:37:00] Juski: 1Mbps looks pretty rubbish though... I couldn't watch 1mb/sec mpeg2
[20:37:00] junco: all i know is queen latifah could never be the bike messeneger she was portrayed as in Taxi
[20:37:00] Beirdo: I have *NO* sympathy for idiots like that
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[20:38:00] Beirdo: and knowing how many bike messenger types are here, she was likely actually riding on the sidewalk, not walking
[20:38:00] mchou: Beirdo: and you have sympathy for someone driving a SUV littering in a pedestran area?
[20:38:00] Beirdo: which is illegal
[20:38:00] Beirdo: no, I don't
[20:38:00] Beirdo: but her actions caused the consequences
[20:38:00] mchou: Beirdo: there you go again, painting with your broad brush
[20:39:00] mchou: Beirdo: she said she was walking, what makes you doubt her?
[20:39:00] LiemWork: is it normal for the gray pvr-150 remote to not work when a mouse is plugged into the system? (knoppmyth)
[20:39:00] Beirdo: she shoulda written down the plate and put in a police report for the littering, and tossed the junk in the garbage
[20:39:00] mchou: the fact that she happens to be a bike messenger?
[20:39:00] Beirdo: she chose to have a confrontation, and she got one
[20:40:00] Juski: chucking the litter back into the car is pretty dumb IMHO
[20:40:00] Beirdo: mchou: experience with many bike messengers in the downtown core of this city
[20:40:00] Tobbe: Juski: What bitrate do you use?
[20:40:00] mchou: Beirdo: so EVERY bike messenger is like that?
[20:40:00] Juski: I've seen a cyclist get pissed when a driver ticked him off for cutting in... he threw his bike at the car repeatedly
[20:41:00] Juski: and that was just a regular cyclist
[20:41:00] Beirdo: having been clipped by several when a pedestrian, watching them cut in and out of traffic, blowing red lights...
[20:41:00] Juski: Tobbe: 2.1mpbs
[20:41:00] mchou: Beirdo: you might as well say all black ppl are criminals.
[20:42:00] Beirdo: I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for an idiot who admittedly tossed food back at someone who littered.
[20:42:00] Beirdo: it's boneheaded
[20:42:00] Beirdo: two wrongs don't make a right
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[20:42:00] Juski: makes for a lot of page hits though ;-)
[20:42:00] Beirdo: that being said, I'm glad the SUV got "accidentally" keyed :)
[20:42:00] Beirdo: assholes with SUVs... ick
[20:43:00] Beirdo: in downtown core... in a packed market area
[20:43:00] mchou: if you read the raging driver went after the photographer w/ a baseball bat
[20:43:00] Beirdo: real smart man HE is... the meeting of two boneheads.. always fun to see
[20:43:00] mchou: what was he doing with a baseball bat in the middle of winter??
[20:43:00] Beirdo: so says the photographer. One-sided stories are rarely accurate
[20:43:00] Beirdo: maybe he's like me
[20:44:00] Beirdo: shit lives in the car
[20:44:00] Beirdo: always
[20:44:00] defi__: How does ivtv label cards, first card on pci bus is 0 next is 1?
[20:44:00] mchou: Beirdo: more like he is a psycho
[20:44:00] Beirdo: it took me most of a year to take my camping gear out of the car
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[20:44:00] mchou: Beirdo: you take a baseball bat with you camping?
[20:44:00] Beirdo: mchou: now it's YOU making huge assumptions and painting with a broad brush
[20:44:00] dcstimm: hey guys, how do I fix this: Driver error was [2/1062]:
[20:44:00] dcstimm: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[20:44:00] dcstimm: Database error was:
[20:44:00] dcstimm: Duplicate entry '1002-2006-01–27 12:53:00' for key 1
[20:44:00] Beirdo: maybe he plays baseball all summer and the gear stays in the car
[20:44:00] Beirdo: sheesh
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[20:45:00] alpha_geek: /msg nickserv set hide email on
[20:45:00] mchou: Beirdo: dont you think it would had made more sense if he went with a tire iron than a baseball bat?
[20:45:00] dcstimm: DB Error (WriteRecordedToDB):
[20:45:00] dcstimm: Query was:
[20:45:00] dcstimm: that too
[20:46:00] Beirdo: heh, maybe whatever was close by the hand, and I kinda doubt that anyways.
[20:46:00] Beirdo: with no police involvement, no proof other than the say-so of the "victim" who won't file a police report... whatever
[20:46:00] metalac: maybe a guy is a mob hitman and he caries a large stick ;) (i.e. bat)
[20:46:00] Beirdo: if some ass came after me with a baseball bat, I'd be filing a report
[20:47:00] junco: i'd throw a baaseball at him
[20:47:00] mchou: Beirdo: you can be sure the photographer didnt
[20:47:00] junco: lo... oh man, i kill myself
[20:47:00] mchou: cant*
[20:47:00] Beirdo: can't?
[20:47:00] Beirdo: sure he can
[20:47:00] stuarta: beavis: what do you pass your mpg's through so dvdauthor will like them?
[20:47:00] Beirdo: he had the license plate
[20:47:00] mchou: Beirdo: you cant be sure the photographer didnt
[20:47:00] Beirdo: yeah
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[20:48:00] mchou: file charges, that is
[20:48:00] Beirdo: and with no other proof, I'll bet that part isn't 100% accurate
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[20:48:00] mchou: that'd be the karma
[20:48:00] Beirdo: anybody can say ANYTHING on the internet
[20:48:00] mchou: Beirdo: this photographer is well known and has a good reputation.
[20:49:00] mchou: he has a good prior track record.
[20:49:00] Beirdo: so why not file charges?
[20:49:00] mchou: he did say he didnt file charges
[20:49:00] Beirdo: there had to be plenty of witnesses
[20:49:00] mchou: in fact he said this guy has karma coming to him
[20:49:00] mchou: which may imply he filed charges
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[20:50:00] mchou: he didnt say he didnt file charges
[20:50:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:50:00] Beirdo: anyways...
[20:51:00] Beirdo: the whole "incident" was caused by a boneheaded move on the part of the overzealous bike messenger
[20:51:00] Juski: speaking of inaccuracies on the internet: http://www.juski.co.uk/videos/edit.mpv
[20:51:00] Juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/videos/edit.mov
[20:51:00] Beirdo: she could have avoided the whole damn thing, she chose not to, and as a consequence she got caught in a shitstorm
[20:51:00] Beirdo: meh
[20:53:00] Beirdo: and then she chose not to file assault charges as she'd also be charged (and rightfully so)
[20:53:00] mchou: Beirdo: assault for what?
[20:54:00] mchou: the keying or the litter?
[20:54:00] Beirdo: you obviously didn't read it :)
[20:54:00] mchou: Beirdo: no, I'm asking YOU to clarify
[20:54:00] Beirdo: throwing the litter into the car is assault if it hit him
[20:54:00] mchou: if you eant the litter, that's not assault
[20:54:00] Beirdo: he assaulted her several times
[20:55:00] Beirdo: yes it is
[20:55:00] mchou: meant*
[20:55:00] Beirdo: anyways, then she caused property damage, as did he
[20:55:00] Beirdo: they'd both get charged
[20:55:00] mchou: 1. You dont know how she handled the litter
[20:55:00] Beirdo: and she instigated the whole thing
[20:55:00] mchou: she could have handed it to him.
[20:55:00] mchou: or thrown it.
[20:55:00] Beirdo: 1. She opened his car door and threw it on his lap from how it read
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[20:56:00] Beirdo: either way, that also can be construed as trespassing
[20:56:00] mchou: w/o context, there is not enoughh info to come to the conclusion the litter was assault
[20:56:00] Beirdo: the cops TOLD her she'd be charged
[20:56:00] mchou: Beirdo: lol, you quoting Leah's account?
[20:56:00] mchou: the cops wanted to AVOID paperwork
[20:57:00] Beirdo: you can't assume that
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[20:57:00] mchou: and the cops said se'd be charged for keying the car
[20:57:00] mchou: said*
[20:57:00] Beirdo: which she would be, and should be
[20:57:00] mchou: which, according to her was accidental and self-defense
[20:57:00] Beirdo: doesn't mean no charges should be laid
[20:58:00] mchou: keys were looped around her wrist
[20:58:00] Nirto is now known as Nitro
[20:58:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[20:58:00] mchou: Beirdo: right. Confronted by too much evidence all your arguments go nowhere
[20:58:00] Beirdo: that's not evidence
[20:58:00] ** Juski regrets posting 'no you can't run mythtv on a tivo' somewhere **
[20:59:00] Beirdo: and she SAID she chose not to file charges as she'd be charged too
[20:59:00] jams: Juski- why is that?
[20:59:00] Beirdo: so you can say what you want
[20:59:00] Juski: argghh!
[20:59:00] Juski: no PMs per-lease
[20:59:00] kormoc: oh canada, where people fight other people in the middle of the street...
[21:00:00] Juski: jams: "course it can... tivo works on linux.. and anything running linux can run mythtv"
[21:00:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:00:00] Beirdo: don't blame Canada for Toronto idiots :)
[21:00:00] Juski: blame canada... I heard a song about that once ;-)
[21:00:00] jams: Juski- yeah just finished reading the new posts
[21:00:00] kormoc: what about blaming Canada for Vancouver idiots? :P
[21:00:00] alpha_geek: Juski: sorry, is the link you posted in the forum regarding Xbox and MythTV not just Xebian then?
[21:00:00] Beirdo: two dumbasses don't make intellegence, but does make for entertainment
[21:01:00] Beirdo: kormoc: nah, blame Hong Kong for that
[21:01:00] Juski: alpha_geek: I'm not sure... there's something floating around somewhere about a specific distro for mythtv on the xbox
[21:01:00] Juski: like without all the other baggage ;-)
[21:01:00] kormoc: nah, the Van idiots I know are not from Hong Knog, just bad people
[21:01:00] alpha_geek: Juski: Ok thanks, I will have a look
[21:02:00] Beirdo: mchou: oh, and the photographer could well get sued for publishing those pics without the lame-ass driver's permission.
[21:02:00] Beirdo: ain't freedom wonderful?
[21:02:00] mchou: Beirdo: bullshit
[21:03:00] Juski: no... his right to privacy wasn't respected
[21:03:00] mchou: you dont need Rodney King or LA Cops permission to publish VIDEO
[21:03:00] mchou: lol
[21:03:00] Beirdo: that was live video, published instantly
[21:03:00] Beirdo: that's not QUITE the same
[21:03:00] metalac: same with photos beirdo
[21:03:00] Beirdo: no
[21:03:00] Juski: been a few cases over here of louts smashing up cars, who were later videoed, taking legal action against the camcorder user
[21:04:00] Beirdo: he uploaded them after the fact
[21:04:00] metalac: takin photos on the public property and publishing them is OK
[21:04:00] LiemWork: editorial photos are treated differently than candids
[21:04:00] mchou: he has no "right to privacy" if assault was happening
[21:04:00] LiemWork: (i.e. non-slandering)
[21:04:00] Beirdo: taking pictures of people and publishing them without express permission can get you in hot water really fast
[21:04:00] kormoc: metalac, differnt laws in canada iirc
[21:04:00] metalac: oh he's in canada?
[21:04:00] kormoc: metalac, yup
[21:04:00] LiemWork: berido: only if there's a reasonable expectation of privacy
[21:04:00] Beirdo: yes, Toronto is in Canada
[21:04:00] Juski: and if you put up CCTV to protect your own property, if any member of the public objects you have to adjust it accordingly
[21:05:00] kormoc: public properity in the us, you are allowed to take pictures
[21:05:00] kormoc: not so in Canada iirc
[21:05:00] Juski: (if it overlooks public spaces)
[21:05:00] kormoc: you still need permission from the people,
[21:05:00] metalac: in USA at least if you take a picture of people on the middle of the street crossing a sidewalk or something like that is perfectly legal
[21:05:00] Beirdo: you're allowed to take pictures
[21:05:00] Beirdo: but publishing them's another story
[21:06:00] metalac: well it's hard to inforce this also
[21:06:00] Beirdo: yup
[21:06:00] metalac: imagine you taking a photo at basket ball game
[21:06:00] metalac: and you take pictures of players
[21:06:00] Beirdo: but if the idiot driver sees the pics and objects, he can sue
[21:06:00] metalac: but at the same time you take pics of fans behind them
[21:06:00] LiemWork: that's a private venue and licensed players
[21:06:00] mchou: Beirdo: cite me the canadian law that says publishing then w/o permission is illegal.
[21:06:00] Juski: photoshopping fake porn pics is legit too, until they're shown to about 1000 people in a nightclub... and if you're the unlucky DJ who made funny remarks about said photos...
[21:07:00] kormoc: mchou, cite the law that says publishing them w/o permission is legal?
[21:07:00] mchou: kormoc: absense of a law means it is legal by DEFAULT
[21:07:00] mchou: kormoc: dont be a dumbass
[21:07:00] LiemWork: http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf
[21:07:00] Juski: isn't it classed as legal until someone sets a precedent?
[21:08:00] LiemWork: print it, keep it with you if your a photographer
[21:09:00] kormoc: mchou, no, it's a part of the normal privacy act, that all canadians are given a measure of privacy on all canadian grounds. that gives expected privacy on all canadian grounds, and unless otherwise stated, pictures need protection
[21:09:00] kormoc: *premission
[21:09:00] metalac: Juski: no it's the other way around, cocaine was legal for a long time till somebody said otherwirs
[21:09:00] metalac: otherwise
[21:10:00] Juski: isn't that what I just said? it's legal until someone says otherwise?
[21:10:00] Beirdo: and those photos can be construed as being defamatory
[21:10:00] metalac: Juski: oh whoops :)
[21:10:00] mchou: Beirdo: so the dude can sue for libel then :)
[21:10:00] Beirdo: so, if *I* were the photographer, I'd be quite leery about publishing them
[21:11:00] mchou: Beirdo: good luck to the dude who pursues that case on those grounds :)
[21:11:00] metalac: the question is if it's transferable over borders
[21:11:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:11:00] mchou: Beirdo: that would mean the dude MUST be a moron
[21:12:00] Beirdo: and I think the guy apparently rushing him with a baseball bat sounds like a non-willingness to be photographed
[21:12:00] metalac: ok here it is
[21:12:00] metalac: Substantially the same as in the US. You are covered by consitutional guarantees of free expression, but commercial uses require releases as in the US.
[21:12:00] metalac: The substantial difference is in the area of privacy. In Quebec, the human rights code guarantees an individual the right to control of his own image. The Supreme Court has ruled that this means permission is necessary for editorial use except if the individual is a celebrity or if the photo is a hard news photo. If a person is in a news photo, however, they have to be the subject of the news, or their permission is required.
[21:12:00] metalac: so that's Quebec ONLY
[21:13:00] mchou: and I'd say this qualifys as NEWS
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[21:13:00] Arkkis: uhm, how does one search for strings in the manpages?
[21:13:00] kormoc: is it on a Canadian Licenced News Agency?
[21:13:00] mchou: Arkkis: forward slash
[21:13:00] kormoc: and it's not even in Quebec.
[21:14:00] mchou: kormoc: his point was the RESTRICTIOn was only in quebec
[21:14:00] kormoc: actually, that's just the only one he's found
[21:14:00] Arkkis: mchou, thanks, how do I search for the next occurance then?
[21:14:00] kormoc: it's restricted differently in every province.
[21:15:00] alpha_geek: no love lost between you guys is there?
[21:15:00] Arkkis: do I have to type it all over again?
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[21:15:00] kormoc: Arkkis, slash and then up arrow and enter
[21:15:00] ** Arkkis wonders if the unix guys never heard of ctrl+f **
[21:16:00] mchou: this publication "issue" is a red herring
[21:16:00] Juski: old serial terminals had ctrl keys?
[21:16:00] Arkkis: hmm, point
[21:16:00] rjune: what is ctrl-f?
[21:16:00] rjune: oh, find text
[21:16:00] GreyFoxx: a windows thng
[21:16:00] alpha_geek: a keyboard shortcut?
[21:16:00] kormoc: mchou, not really, it's a issue with how laws are not keeping up with advances.
[21:17:00] jams: or just hitting the n key wil continue the search
[21:17:00] kormoc: it used to require a lot of work and all that to publish something, now it's not so hard
[21:17:00] Arkkis: I just hate the crypticly short commands and the non-standard systems that make you learn a new set of commands each time you use
[21:17:00] Arkkis: jams, thanks
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: hahahaha
[21:17:00] ** GreyFoxx considers windows to be non standard :) **
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[21:17:00] mchou: kormoc: there is no case to be made that this guy or any other persons in the photographs were "slandered"
[21:17:00] rjune: GreyFoxx: I agree
[21:18:00] kormoc: Arkkis, given it was standard long before windows ever existed, and has been the same for over 30 years...
[21:18:00] kormoc: mchou, I never said they were.
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: considering there are many forms of unix that all are 90% identical and knowledge of one often translates directly to the others
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[21:18:00] Juski: Arkkis: so you're not a vi user then?
[21:18:00] mchou: kormoc: so, why go on this publication/privacy tangent?
[21:18:00] Arkkis: Juski, no, I'm not a vi user
[21:18:00] jams: GreyFoxx except AIX ;)
[21:18:00] Arkkis: and prolly will never be if I can avoid it
[21:18:00] mchou: kormoc: it's not even relevant
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: Mmmmmm vi
[21:18:00] Juski: I used to use vi every day, but too far out of touch with it now
[21:18:00] kormoc: mchou, just cause it's different in Canada then it is in the us
[21:19:00] pld: mmm vi indeed
[21:19:00] kormoc: I use vi hourly
[21:19:00] pld: yep, good stuff
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[21:19:00] GreyFoxx: I use vi/vim pretty much exclusivly
[21:19:00] kormoc: even in my dreams...
[21:19:00] GreyFoxx: hehe that's a little much :)
[21:19:00] Juski: 15 occurrances of this text later, replace <this>, delete 5 chars... all on one line
[21:19:00] mchou: kormoc: so it's different. The dude can sue the photographer. I very much doubt he'd win if he did that.
[21:19:00] Arkkis: sadly I'm one of the graphical persons, I remember stuff better when it's shown in graphical form
[21:19:00] metalac: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-21/index.html
[21:20:00] Arkkis: thus I dislike commandlines, altho they're powerful, but the commands are a pain to remember
[21:20:00] metalac: go ahead and read Canada's privacy law :)
[21:20:00] mchou: kormoc: certainly not on some pretext that his privacy was violated
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: Arkkis: To each their own :P)
[21:20:00] Juski: Arkkis: I used to use phpmyadmin for my mysql mangling duties.. now I do it faster on the command line
[21:20:00] kormoc: metalac, that's just the personal information privacy act
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: I prefer to avoid gui's as much as possible
[21:21:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: yeh but yer 10-foot interface wouldn't be as good without a gui ;)
[21:21:00] metalac: kormoc: it's caled "privacy act" there is a separate thing for "personal information" stuff
[21:21:00] Arkkis: I just love a well designed gui, in fact, I work on few daily at work
[21:21:00] Arkkis: designing them and stuff
[21:21:00] kormoc: mchou, that may be true, but just afaik, he could be, even if it would be stupid.
[21:21:00] Juski: Arkkis: just the man to make a new widescreen theme for mythtv, then!
[21:21:00] kormoc: metalac, "The purpose of this Act is to extend the present laws of Canada that protect the privacy of individuals with respect to personal information about themselves held by a government institution and that provide individuals with a right of access to that information."
[21:21:00] kormoc: metalac, there's previous laws in place that deal more with the topic at hand.
[21:21:00] mchou: kormoc: my point exactly
[21:21:00] Arkkis: Juski, hehe, get photoshop working in my linux properly and I'll do five of them
[21:22:00] Juski: Arkkis: hell yeah.. GIMP is okay for touching up photos.. but it's pretty limited compared to photoshop
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: Arkkis: I totally appreciate a gui application for certain purposes (like myth for example). But find gui's too slow and limiting for doing real work (which fo rme is all unix and network related)(
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[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: yeah
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[21:22:00] Juski: make a rounded, shiny box in GIMP...
[21:23:00] Juski: ouch
[21:23:00] Juski: then do it with two clicks in photoshop
[21:23:00] kormoc: a rounded box tends to be more of a circle...
[21:23:00] Arkkis: talking about guis and gimp.. ..argh
[21:23:00] pld: isnt a rounded box a sphere?
[21:23:00] GreyFoxx: for me a windows box is rarely more than a platform to ssh into a unix box
[21:23:00] kormoc: unless you mean rounded corners
[21:23:00] Juski: I totally respect the folks who make spiffy icons using nothing more than inkscape though.. they must have some patience
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[21:24:00] mlehrer: someone needs to make some better visualizations in MythMusic
[21:24:00] mlehrer: it's embarrassing
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: I give props to all graphic designers, my efforts at that often suck :)
[21:24:00] Arkkis: GreyFoxx, to me windows is something I run photoshop on, and do my work as stupid clients do not know better
[21:24:00] Juski: erm... hello guys... milkdrop has been ported to linux
[21:24:00] mchou: kormoc: and this photographer is in the BUSINESS of publishing his pictures. If e is voilating privacy, why hasnt his web site shut down?
[21:25:00] mchou: he*
[21:25:00] kormoc: mchou, cause no one has pushed it yet?
[21:25:00] mchou: lol
[21:25:00] mchou: o by definition it is legal
[21:25:00] mchou: so*
[21:25:00] mchou: QED
[21:25:00] Juski: mlehrer: http://xmms-projectm.sourceforge.net/
[21:26:00] kormoc: mchou, if that was true, then I could get away with not paying my taxes
[21:26:00] kormoc: mchou, cause it takes a few years for them to catch me
[21:26:00] Arkkis: something I did a while ago: http://www.oldkeep.com/ximages/symmetrix.jpg
[21:26:00] Juski: visualisations for mythmusic would be last on my feature request list though
[21:26:00] mchou: kormoc: you pay your taxes because it is withheld
[21:27:00] rjune: mchou: not always
[21:27:00] kormoc: mchou, no, not the stuff I do on the side
[21:27:00] mchou: kormoc: you dont get a choice in the matter
[21:27:00] kormoc: mchou, of course I do, I can have my employeer not withhold any if I requrested
[21:27:00] rjune: mchou: yes you do
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[21:27:00] Juski: Arkkis: mythmusic could look a lot like that.. apart from the file/playlist selector
[21:27:00] mchou: kormoc: sure, not the stuff you do on the side.....
[21:27:00] Arkkis: Juski, hehe
[21:28:00] rjune: mchou: I didn't have taxes withheld for two years on my primary employment
[21:28:00] mchou: kormoc: it also happens in any interest bearing accts, capital gains, etc.
[21:28:00] mlehrer: Juski: nice
[21:28:00] kormoc: mchou, yeah, and just because I wouldn't get caught, doesn't make it legal.
[21:28:00] Juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend3.png ... just a little something I'm trying to get motivated on
[21:29:00] mchou: kormoc: lol, the feds look at how much interestyou have and they deduce how much income you're making :)
[21:29:00] mlehrer: mythmusic needs that and proper ALSA support so i can play cd's back over a 48k S/PDIF
[21:29:00] mchou: kormoc: it aint rocket science
[21:29:00] mlehrer: at least, i think it would require ALSA support for that
[21:29:00] kormoc: mchou, what bout the stuff I make under the table, in cash, never went to the bank, spent right away?
[21:29:00] kormoc: mchou, that stuff is legal to not pay taxes on?
[21:29:00] Juski: mlehrer: what? I play stuff thru my spdif in mythmusic all the time
[21:29:00] mchou: kormoc: so yo saying you a crack dealer?
[21:30:00] Juski: anyway.. CDs are sampled at 44.1k, not 48k ;-)
[21:30:00] mchou: kormoc: launder your cash too?
[21:30:00] mchou: kormoc: lol
[21:30:00] kormoc: mchou, not at all, but the past week, I've made say a few hundred under the table. Is it legal to not pay tax on it?
[21:30:00] mlehrer: Juski: that's the problem – playing a 44.1 cd sounds like ass without a good conversion to 48k
[21:30:00] Juski: under the table cash is great.. until you get found out & they make educated guesses
[21:31:00] metalac: kormoc: normaly you have to report that.
[21:31:00] mchou: kormoc: no, cause there are laws on the books that have prohibitions on not paying taxes on this stuff.
[21:31:00] mlehrer: Juski: what settings do you have to use to play over s/pdif?
[21:31:00] kormoc: mchou, and there's laws that say he could get sued, just cause he hasn't been doesn't make it legal
[21:31:00] Juski: mlehrer: dunno. minimyth took care of all that for me.. one line in a config file
[21:31:00] mlehrer: hmm, what is minimyth
[21:31:00] mchou: kormoc: and you havent quoted me ANY canadian laws restricting publication of photos
[21:32:00] Juski: minimyth is a small distro for mythtv, made just for EPIA boards
[21:32:00] mchou: kormoc: so show me those laws.
[21:32:00] Juski: only for frontends though
[21:32:00] mlehrer: ah, i have an m9000 that is my dns server
[21:32:00] mlehrer: it can't do 1280x720 properly though
[21:32:00] mlehrer: just not enough power
[21:32:00] Beirdo: mchou: whatever... just chill out :)
[21:33:00] metalac: Beirdo: you started it ;)
[21:33:00] Juski: mlehrer: so? we're not getting hdtv in the UK for _years_ yet
[21:33:00] mchou: Beirdo: Beirdo and his privacy BS
[21:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:33:00] Beirdo: try going to Europe if you wanna see privacy bullshit
[21:33:00] Juski: shame cos 720x576 mpeg2 playback hogs up to 20% CPU :-/
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[21:33:00] mchou: there is a difference between civil and criminal laws
[21:34:00] mchou: assault==criminal
[21:34:00] thaJeepJerk: my kind of topic
[21:34:00] mchou: photos==civil
[21:35:00] kormoc: mchou, http://www.zvulony.com/photograph_rights.html
[21:35:00] Beirdo: right, and what part of "the photographer could get sued" did you think meant criminal?
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[21:35:00] kormoc: mchou, " A person pictured in a photograph may possess certain rights independently of the photographer's right to his or her creation. Canadian court cases have dealt with the question of whether photographing someone can be a violation of that person's privacy, of whether using someone in a photograph is an infringement of that person's right to trade-mark his or her image, and whether a photographer can re-use a photograph wi
[21:35:00] kormoc: thout getting the permission of the people in it."
[21:35:00] mchou: kormoc: lol, MAY is a very important word
[21:35:00] kormoc: mchou, down the page, keep reading
[21:36:00] kormoc: mchou, from a lawyer in Toronto
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[21:36:00] kormoc: mchou, "In Aubry v. Editions Vice-Versa Inc. (1998), 50 C.R.R. (2d) 225, [1998] 1 S.C.R. 591, the plaintiff brought an action against a photographer and publisher for taking a picture of her as she was sitting on the steps of a building, and publishing it in a magazine without her consent. She argued that this was a violation of her right to privacy"
[21:36:00] kormoc: "The Supreme Court, in the jointly-written decision of several justices, ruled that the unauthorized taking of a photograph is, in fact, a violation of a person’s right to privacy if that person is the subject of the photograph, rather than an incidental character in it:"
[21:36:00] Beirdo: in particular (from the ruling)
[21:37:00] Beirdo: There is, thus, an infringement of the person's right to his or her image, and therefore fault, as soon as the image is published without consent and enables the person to be identified.
[21:37:00] kormoc: and there's another dozen or so cases sited, from all across canada
[21:37:00] mchou: Since the right to one's image is included in the right to respect for one's private life, it is axiomatic that every person possesses a protected right to his or her image. This right arises when the subject is recognizable. There is, thus, an infringement of the person's right to his or her image, and therefore fault, as soon as the image is published without consent and enables the person to be identified.
[21:37:00] Beirdo: right
[21:37:00] mchou: "This right arises when the subject is recognizable."
[21:38:00] Beirdo: and in the case of the dumbass in this case...
[21:38:00] kormoc: the subject is recognizable
[21:38:00] metalac: kormoc: you forget to paste this:
[21:38:00] metalac: However, the court ruled that the plaintiff was only eligible to claim nominal damages, $2,000, for the violation of her privacy, as there had been no ?moral prejudice? caused by the publication of the photo. The court ruled that there must be a fairly high degree of ?discomfort and upset? caused to the subject of a photograph in order for him or her to prove that the publication of the photograph was actually harmful.
[21:38:00] Beirdo: he is recognizable
[21:38:00] mchou: and this is based on Quebec law as quoted earlier
[21:38:00] kormoc: metalac, I'd say that in this case, it's true. Pictures of him beating up a woman
[21:38:00] mchou: which doesnt apply in ON
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[21:39:00] kormoc: mchou, like I said, down more is other cases that are in ON
[21:39:00] mchou: The court?s ruling was, as previously mentioned, based on specific provisions in Quebec?s legislation, and thus might not be completely applicable to all other provinces.
[21:39:00] kormoc: mchou, and they used the first case to help with their ruling
[21:39:00] mchou: kormoc: which first case are you referring to?
[21:40:00] kormoc: the one I copyed and pasted
[21:40:00] kormoc: the others under it came later
[21:40:00] mchou: She argued that this was a violation of her right to privacy under Quebec?s Charter.
[21:40:00] thaJeepJerk: CompaqhP1
[21:40:00] metalac: kormoc: the others deal with totally different things
[21:40:00] mchou: WTF, read your own quotes
[21:40:00] thaJeepJerk: shit, my b
[21:40:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah
[21:40:00] mchou: kormoc: ^^
[21:40:00] metalac: kormoc: difference between privacy and publicity
[21:41:00] Beirdo: mchou: you can exercise your right to remain silent... any time now
[21:41:00] mchou: Beirdo: and you guys exercis your rights to be ignorant and stupid
[21:41:00] mchou: as you have always done :)
[21:41:00] Beirdo: whatever
[21:41:00] metalac: and read the conclusion:
[21:41:00] metalac: Canadian law is moving in the direction of granting more and more rights to the person who takes the photograph, as opposed to the person who commissions it or the person who is in it.
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[21:41:00] kormoc: moving, not there yet
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[21:42:00] metalac: which means that this case could be landmark case :)
[21:42:00] mlehrer: Juski: no HD? do you at least get 16x9? the Doctor Who torrents i downloaded seemed to be wide screen at least
[21:42:00] metalac: so the court
[21:42:00] mchou: metalac: haha!!
[21:42:00] mlehrer: did the new season start yet?
[21:42:00] Juski: mlehrer: yeah 16x9 SDTV
[21:42:00] metalac: is already thinking about this sort of stuff
[21:42:00] Juski: new season is ages away yet
[21:42:00] mlehrer: ah too bad. the christmas episode was kind of boring
[21:43:00] Juski: I'm not fussed... got enough to watch as it is
[21:44:00] mlehrer: what are your favorite bbc shows currently?
[21:44:00] Juski: hotel babylon
[21:44:00] Juski: thin plots, but looks great ;-)
[21:44:00] mchou: so we now know there is no such thing as the "free" press in Quebec
[21:45:00] Juski: and erm.... everything else is crap, unusually
[21:45:00] mchou: cause photojournalism is clearly out in Quebec :)
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[21:45:00] mchou: no way for photojournalists to make a living in Quebec
[21:45:00] metalac: hhehehe
[21:46:00] mchou: metalac: these guys dont fanthom how absurd this proposition is :)
[21:46:00] metalac: yeah
[21:47:00] metalac: the only thing i'd realy object is people making mad money of photos
[21:47:00] mchou: metalac: hehe
[21:47:00] metalac: but if it's simple newspaper articles and stuff that's admisable as evidence
[21:47:00] metalac: then it's all cool by me
[21:49:00] ** xris can't wait for the bbc to start streaming over the web **
[21:50:00] Juski: I know someone who's testing their a new thing for the BBC.. watch anything from the last few months online
[21:50:00] xris: hopefully they'll let us non-brits watch, too
[21:50:00] Juski: all broadcast quality too, none of that realplayer shite
[21:51:00] xris: realplayer does great broadcast quality.. it's just that no one bothers to do it.
[21:51:00] Juski: xris: there are all kinds of rights issues with some stuff
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[21:51:00] xris: Juski: yes. but I really only care about bbc-owned stuff... well, stuff that you can only get on bbc
[21:51:00] xris: bbc america just sucks
[21:51:00] Juski: 'the office' anyone? per-lease!
[21:52:00] xris: don't like either version of that
[21:52:00] xris: coupling is great. the american one wasn't
[21:52:00] Juski: with a lot of BBC shows you don't even need a PVR
[21:52:00] xris: kumars is also funny, when I remember to watch it.
[21:52:00] Juski: like "2 pints of lager & a packet of crisps".. great show, but stop showing it already
[21:53:00] thaJeepJerk: the office was alrighti
[21:53:00] ** Juski can't stand the kumars.. you can't make a series out of one bad joke **
[21:53:00] xris: the interviews are funny
[21:53:00] Juski: thaJeepJerk: the office was too close to the bone
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[21:53:00] Juski: you can't laugh at the office if your boss is worse than David Brent
[21:54:00] laga: Juski: i think it was peanuts.
[21:54:00] ** xris is glad to have a cool boss **
[21:54:00] ** xris is glad to (hopefully) be a cool boss **
[21:54:00] ** kormoc strikes out the (hopefully). **
[21:54:00] Juski: there's not that much good home grown comedy on tv lately
[21:55:00] xris: true
[21:55:00] xris: or any good comedy, for that matter
[21:55:00] Juski: american dad is doing it for me right now though
[21:55:00] xris: oh, wait.. scrubs.
[21:55:00] Juski: friends can go to hell
[21:55:00] Juski: frasier was like 10 series too long
[21:55:00] xris: heh
[21:55:00] Juski: the simpsons... god no
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[21:56:00] Juski: looking forward to the return of Futurama though
[21:56:00] Juski: and '24'
[21:56:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: are you saying there's no hope for him?
[21:57:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: no, I think he's saying that I'm a cool boss
[21:57:00] alpha_geek: what about my name is earl?
[21:57:00] Juski: that's pretty good
[21:57:00] xris: and he's one of two people who would know.
[21:57:00] thaJeepJerk: you'd have to be cool to be working on mythweb
[21:57:00] kormoc: hehe, ya, cool boss indeed.
[21:57:00] kormoc: my name is earl is great imho
[21:58:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: and get my company to let me share code back and forth
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[21:58:00] alpha_geek: one of the best i have seen for a while
[21:58:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah, earl is a good show, not many episodes yet tho
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[21:58:00] alpha_geek: ehem, err yeah
[21:59:00] Juski: what about uk comedy though.. I watched something called 'tittybangbang' the other week... they got as low as making a joke about a necrophilliac female police investigator
[22:00:00] alpha_geek: yeah, I must admit I was a little disapointed with the new series of little britan
[22:00:00] Juski: best thing on BBC3: http://www.bbc.co.uk/broadband/mediawrapper/c . . . _ladies_16x9
[22:00:00] alpha_geek: not as good as the first
[22:00:00] laga: goddammit, mythburn is helluva broken. it's supposed to work with SVN and they don't support .mpg extensions vor mp3g2 recordings yet.
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[22:00:00] thaJeepJerk: mp3g2?
[22:00:00] xris: oops
[22:01:00] laga: mpeg2*
[22:01:00] thaJeepJerk: gotcha
[22:01:00] thaJeepJerk: thought I was gonna learn something today
[22:01:00] laga: how would i turn that line: "base=`basename $src .nuv`" into something that would strip both .nuv and .mpg from a filename?
[22:02:00] laga: such a ugly hack.
[22:02:00] kormoc: just use the value from the db?
[22:02:00] laga: kormoc: i need to strip the extension from the filename
[22:02:00] kormoc: why?
[22:03:00] laga: kormoc: because mythburn says so :).
[22:03:00] kormoc: and I would just strip from . onwards :P
[22:03:00] laga: and it'd be more work to change it everywhere
[22:03:00] thaJeepJerk: so just substring to the period?
[22:03:00] dasOp: or a regex or just about anything
[22:03:00] laga: especially because they duplicate lots of code. instead of just having one file with all the functions
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[22:04:00] laga: well, anyone have some example for bash? i've never done regular expressions before
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[22:04:00] thaJeepJerk: mythburn is active?
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[22:04:00] Beirdo: laga: just do the basename twice
[22:05:00] Beirdo: first time to catch .nuv, second to catch .mpg
[22:05:00] junco: so my digital cable box has a serial port (rs232) in back... i won't be needing the IR stuff then, right?
[22:05:00] dasOp: oh, filename was bla.mpg.nuv ?
[22:05:00] xris: laga: that's going to be so broken on any system that uses custom filenames, too
[22:05:00] laga: xris: of course. *grumble*
[22:05:00] laga: Beirdo: err, but wouldn't that overwrite the content of the base variable?
[22:05:00] Beirdo: well, if the files come outta myth recordings, it will have one or the other, not both
[22:05:00] xris: dasOp: no... chanid_starttime.mpg (or nuv) instead of chanid_starttime_endtime.nuv
[22:06:00] laga: dasOp: filename is either foo.nuv or foo.mpg in my case
[22:06:00] Beirdo: base=`basename $src .nuv`
[22:06:00] xris: laga: going to need to pull the info from the db
[22:06:00] Beirdo: base=`basename $base .mpg`
[22:07:00] laga: Beirdo: yes, but imagine my recording has a .nuv extensions – the second base= will override the first one.
[22:07:00] laga: oh
[22:07:00] laga: wait a sec
[22:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:07:00] laga: that's great stuff :)
[22:07:00] laga: xris: you are right.
[22:07:00] Beirdo: it will try to strip .mpg off the end and won't find it
[22:07:00] laga: xris: i think some regex magic might be necessary here after getting the filename out of the DB
[22:10:00] kormoc: laga, you sure that they don't stick .nuv on the filename somewhere in the script?
[22:12:00] laga: let me grep :)
[22:12:00] laga: kormoc: nope :)
[22:12:00] laga: i think i shoould get in touch with the author or something
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[22:15:00] Juski: where does mythburn come from anyway?
[22:16:00] Juski: not the sourceforge page
[22:16:00] Juski: bah, the knoppmyth forum.. which happens to be down right now
[22:17:00] laga: hehe
[22:17:00] laga: worked a few minutes before..
[22:17:00] laga: Juski: well, there is no real documentation
[22:17:00] Juski: does it not even have a proper homepage though?
[22:17:00] laga: nope, i don't think so.
[22:17:00] Juski: I'm a fine one to talk though
[22:18:00] laga: get the source and bend down.
[22:18:00] Juski: can you leave it just to make an iso image or whatever?
[22:18:00] laga: yep.
[22:18:00] Juski: to burn on another machine?
[22:19:00] laga: well, if you can get it to work :)
[22:19:00] Juski: might have a go
[22:19:00] laga: that's what i'm trying to do right now.
[22:19:00] laga: currently taking notes of some problems i've encountered
[22:19:00] jams: laga that's been an all day event for you
[22:21:00] laga: jams: 10 hours or so. or even more.
[22:21:00] laga: so glad i skipped school. ;)
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[22:28:00] Juski: omg who did the music?
[22:29:00] alpha_geek: music?
[22:29:00] Juski: mythburn elevator music
[22:29:00] laga: hehe
[22:29:00] alpha_geek: ohh
[22:29:00] alpha_geek: nice
[22:29:00] Juski: the intro mpgs could use some work
[22:29:00] Juski: ;-)
[22:29:00] ** laga ponders using some of juski's bootlegs **
[22:30:00] laga: Juski: might be cool to have the THX intro ;)
[22:30:00] alpha_geek: i have not had a go with mythburn yet, no spare dvd-rw :(
[22:30:00] Juski: you can get them for like, free
[22:30:00] kormoc: Juski, I'll take a billion!
[22:30:00] Juski: never had a go at making a 5.1 soundtrack
[22:30:00] Juski: kormoc: I was referring to THX intros ;)
[22:31:00] kormoc: ooh :P
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[22:31:00] thaJeepJerk: xris: you got time for mythweb?
[22:31:00] Arkkis: ah, I just love the session saver plugin
[22:31:00] Arkkis: for ff that is
[22:31:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: not during work hours, no.
[22:31:00] xris: esp. not on javascript days. heh
[22:32:00] thaJeepJerk: you out around 5PST?
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[22:32:00] laga: Juski: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/Benutzer:Laga/MythBurn  – my notes are here, not sure if much of this applies to mythtv 0.18
[22:32:00] thaJeepJerk: fair enough
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[22:33:00] thaJeepJerk: watching the status bar tick across the screen on testing days usually gives me time...
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[22:35:00] laga: now it gives me an SQL error, presumable at the point when it tries to get the recording description out of the database. i wonder if someone actually tested this.
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[22:51:00] ** Juski renders something **
[22:52:00] thaJeepJerk: CompaqHp1
[22:52:00] thaJeepJerk: damn Synergy
[22:52:00] ** laga hacks on mythburn **
[22:52:00] laga: (still)
[22:52:00] Arkkis: thaJeepJerk, do not blame synergy, that little program rocks
[22:53:00] Juski: oh come on ftp already!
[22:54:00] Juski: http://www.juski.co.uk/videos/mythintro.mpg
[22:54:00] thaJeepJerk: Arkkis: not when you're suffering from dropped packets
[22:55:00] Arkkis: it's not synergy's fault, now is it?
[22:55:00] thaJeepJerk: if it sent TCP it might recover instead of dumping out of the client screen :)
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[22:57:00] laga: anyone ever seen some guy called 'spit2k1' in here?
[22:57:00] thaJeepJerk: but you're right, it is a good program
[22:58:00] laga: Juski: guess what: mythintro.mpg: HTML document text
[22:58:00] Juski: fucking bastard useless c**** NTL !
[22:58:00] laga: hehe
[22:58:00] Arkkis: thaJeepJerk, it's not using tcp?
[22:58:00] laga: sorry :)
[22:58:00] Arkkis: now that's stupid
[22:59:00] Juski: laga: no – it's good to find out
[22:59:00] Arkkis: (but I bet there's an explanation)
[22:59:00] Juski: laga: try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ythintro.mpg
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[22:59:00] laga: Juski: thx
[22:59:00] Juski: if that works, "fucking bastard c**** 1&1 internet!"
[23:00:00] laga: it works.
[23:00:00] laga: 1&1 internet?
[23:00:00] laga: hehehe
[23:00:00] Juski: my dns forwarding service
[23:01:00] laga: Juski: überspiffy.
[23:01:00] Juski: they put everything into a frameset
[23:01:00] laga: completely überspiffy.
[23:01:00] Juski: heheh
[23:01:00] Juski: just knocked it up
[23:02:00] laga: Juski: mail them and request some kind of real dns forwarding, with A records and stuff. should work if you can have your own vhosts at your webhoster
[23:02:00] Juski: need 5.1 monitoring in here so I can mix in dobly digertal
[23:02:00] Juski: laga: own what? with NTL? lol
[23:02:00] laga: hehe
[23:03:00] laga: where did you get the running robot in the background from?
[23:03:00] laga: that's definitely pimpin'.
[23:03:00] thaJeepJerk: Arkkis: I guess they figured speed of UDP over reliability of TCP
[23:03:00] Juski: laga: old VJ download
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[23:07:00] Juski: I think I need a better domain name package than this.. plopping pages into a frame is pretty crummy
[23:08:00] alpha_geek: Juski: microtech.co.gg, if i remember right it is in the channel islands so you don't pay VAT
[23:08:00] alpha_geek: Juski: Dynamic DNS right?
[23:08:00] Juski: nope
[23:09:00] alpha_geek: ok sorry
[23:09:00] Juski: only have 256k upload pipe ;-)
[23:09:00] alpha_geek: ahh
[23:09:00] Juski: the settings page has something about 'A records' & stuff – no idea what all that's about
[23:10:00] alpha_geek: okay
[23:10:00] laga: A records, that's prolly it. set it to your ip, but only if your web hoster can handle it.
[23:10:00] alpha_geek: an A record is what points a domain name to an IP address
[23:10:00] laga: maybe you should talk to their tech support. the web server has to serve requests for your domain
[23:10:00] Juski: maybe if I set that to the ip of the webserver of my webspace
[23:10:00] alpha_geek: I can tell you all about DNS
[23:11:00] alpha_geek: Domain networking is my fav subject!!
[23:11:00] Juski: oh wait I can't just do that can I...
[23:11:00] laga: Juski: i'd not do that since the web server won't know what documents to deliver for that domain.
[23:11:00] alpha_geek: aye thats it
[23:11:00] alpha_geek: the best way to sort that out
[23:12:00] alpha_geek: is to have the dns pointing to www.mywebsite.com
[23:12:00] Juski: I do
[23:12:00] alpha_geek: for the IP
[23:12:00] alpha_geek: and set you default page on your webserver
[23:12:00] Juski: I mean juski.co.uk gets forwarded to homepage.ntlworld.com/blahblahblah
[23:12:00] Juski: but they bung it in a frame
[23:12:00] laga: he can't do that. his web hoster has to do that for him.
[23:12:00] alpha_geek: okay what is the adress the one you pinted too?
[23:13:00] Juski: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/
[23:13:00] alpha_geek: if he has access to web server settings and DNS he can do it
[23:13:00] Juski: hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[23:13:00] alpha_geek: i take it you havent
[23:13:00] laga: he hasn't pointed it to any IP. juski.co.uk likely resolves to some ip at his domain provider
[23:13:00] Juski: nope :)
[23:13:00] alpha_geek: okay
[23:13:00] laga: which does the redireced via frames for him then
[23:14:00] alpha_geek: yeah
[23:14:00] alpha_geek: ISP
[23:14:00] laga: redirect*
[23:14:00] alpha_geek: yeah
[23:14:00] alpha_geek: that should do it
[23:14:00] Juski: why can't they just make a virtual page with a meta refresh though?
[23:14:00] alpha_geek: coz they are ntl and they love you
[23:14:00] Juski: no, 1&1 I mean
[23:15:00] laga: Juski: you could do that yourself.
[23:15:00] Juski: I guess it might not work on all browsers
[23:15:00] alpha_geek: yeah
[23:15:00] Juski: laga: I only pay for the redirect
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[23:15:00] Juski: it was cheap. I shoulda known
[23:15:00] alpha_geek: lol
[23:15:00] Juski: £2.99 for 2 years or something
[23:15:00] laga: Juski: so? have juski.co.uk redirect to your ntl web space with some frame magic where a html with some meta refresh stuff is waiting
[23:15:00] alpha_geek: wow that is cheap
[23:16:00] laga: sorry, i don't know all the terms and i'm rather tired after a day with mythburn (f*ck off)
[23:16:00] alpha_geek: i pay £20 a year and never bloody use it
[23:16:00] Juski: laga: no good if I point peeps to files like I did earlier though
[23:17:00] laga: Juski: did you copy & paste the URL from somewhere on your website?
[23:17:00] kormoc: Juski, sure it can, with some mod_rewrite magic
[23:17:00] laga: mod_rewrite would require .htaccess, right?
[23:17:00] kormoc: yes
[23:18:00] Juski: I don't get htaccess either
[23:18:00] Juski: or php
[23:18:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:18:00] Juski: it's _free_ ISP space
[23:18:00] kormoc: why not host at home?
[23:19:00] Juski: kormoc: 256k upload
[23:19:00] ** laga can see Juski going nuts **
[23:19:00] alpha_geek: ntl is a VERY limited host, main reason I use dynamic dns
[23:19:00] kormoc: Juski, wow, sucky
[23:19:00] Juski: I use no-ip.org for my mythweb
[23:19:00] Juski: and my ssh
[23:19:00] Juski: no way I want that loaded up
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[23:21:00] kormoc: yeah, understandable
[23:21:00] Juski: I'll look into getting proper hosting
[23:21:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: Any news on that MUG meeting?
[23:21:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, when are you free?
[23:21:00] Krazylegz: Not sure.
[23:21:00] Juski: now my theme is on the mythtvtalk server I don't have to worry about bandwidth too much
[23:21:00] kormoc: little hard to plan anything with that :P
[23:21:00] Krazylegz: Leaving tomorrow morning at 10:30. Date tonight, and I'm supposed to see a friend at MS too.
[23:22:00] Krazylegz: I didn't know if you guys had planned on one without me.
[23:22:00] laga: MythTV BurnDVD stopped due to error
[23:22:00] kormoc: was going to, but then people disappeared, and thus it didn't happen
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[23:22:00] ** laga bangs head against wall and repeats **
[23:22:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, what time is your date?
[23:22:00] Krazylegz: 5:30.
[23:22:00] Krazylegz: I'm in Orting though, and we're meeting at Joey's.
[23:22:00] kormoc: heh, drat, not late enough
[23:23:00] Digital-Pioneer: Is there a way to put MythTV on Windows?
[23:23:00] kormoc: Digital-Pioneer, if you port the code, sure
[23:23:00] Digital-Pioneer: Port the code?
[23:23:00] Juski: laga: what's the issue? just the filename bit?
[23:23:00] kormoc: yeah, rewrite a bunch of it, and all that jazz
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[23:24:00] Digital-Pioneer: And I don't suppose anyone has ever done that before.
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[23:24:00] kormoc: Digital-Pioneer, it was attempted with winmyth, but they gave up and didn't really get anywhere.
[23:24:00] laga: Juski: nope, it's all fixed. last problem was a broken script that was supposed to get metadata out of the database. not sure what's up now. it's even created the menus.
[23:24:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: they tried, and failed, by all accounts
[23:24:00] Digital-Pioneer: Yes. I found WinMyth. So I just can't do it.
[23:24:00] Juski: be quite easy in python I expect..
[23:25:00] Digital-Pioneer: I don't know much Python.
[23:25:00] Juski: might have a go when my clone arrives
[23:25:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, well, if you want to stop by my place for a drink and some socializing, just give me a call
[23:26:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: the XBMC python scripts work really well for playing back recorded shows
[23:26:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: PM me your number.
[23:26:00] Juski: you could build a UI around them fairly easily I reckon
[23:26:00] Juski: live tv would be another matter
[23:26:00] Digital-Pioneer: I thought XBMC had something to do with XBOX.
[23:27:00] Juski: yes it does, but python is platform independent ;)
[23:27:00] Juski: apart from the calls to the XBMC API
[23:27:00] kormoc: Digital-Pioneer, no, it's Hardware mpeg2 decoding done via the videocard.
[23:27:00] kormoc: ooh, oops
[23:27:00] kormoc: XBMC not XVMC
[23:27:00] Juski: well, when I say API I mean... the media player & dialog box drawer
[23:27:00] Digital-Pioneer: Are there any other programs that will work on Windows that do the same thing as MythTV?
[23:28:00] Juski: yes, but none of them are as good
[23:28:00] kormoc: Digital-Pioneer, yes, tho, not as well, imho
[23:28:00] Juski: gbpvr & mediaportal are the only free ones of note
[23:28:00] Digital-Pioneer: Well, MythTV doesn't do anything for me...
[23:28:00] Juski: and gbpvr is pretty damn ugly
[23:29:00] kormoc: Juski, they ahve some nice looking themes
[23:29:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: it won't, not on Windows ;-)
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[23:29:00] sean33: hi
[23:29:00] Juski: kormoc: oh – just going by the ones I've been sent links to.. they were very very sucky
[23:29:00] sean33: how do take a screen shot in mplayer ?
[23:29:00] Digital-Pioneer: I also need to make sure I understand exactly what MythTV does.
[23:29:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: it's all in the FM
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[23:30:00] m1k3: i still haven't found a windows pvr software that does picture-in-picture like myth
[23:30:00] Digital-Pioneer: What does PVR stand for?
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[23:30:00] Juski: oh my lord
[23:30:00] Juski: personal video recorder
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[23:30:00] Juski: did PiP get ressurected?
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[23:31:00] Digital-Pioneer: Hey, C'mon, Juski. I'm tryin' to learn here!
[23:31:00] kormoc: Digital-Pioneer, it's all on myth's website mythtv.org
[23:31:00] Digital-Pioneer: Yeah...
[23:32:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: www.juski.co.uk/mythtv_web.avi
[23:32:00] sean33: screen shots ?
[23:33:00] Juski: not quite
[23:33:00] kormoc: sean33, might want to ask in a mplayer channel, as it's quite complicated
[23:33:00] kormoc: dependsing on your videoout plugin
[23:33:00] Digital-Pioneer: Juski: What is that? Other than a big DL?
[23:33:00] Juski: switch to xine ;-)
[23:33:00] laga: Juski: looks like it fails if it can't find mythtvosd anywhere in PATH *shrug*
[23:33:00] sean33: realy there isnt a default key
[23:33:00] kormoc: nope
[23:33:00] Juski: Digital-Pioneer: it'll explain some stuff to you.. like what mythtv can do
[23:34:00] Digital-Pioneer: OK.
[23:34:00] sean33: arr ok , that might expain why i cant find it lol
[23:34:00] Juski: mythtvosd? wth is that?
[23:34:00] sean33: xine in myth better ?
[23:34:00] kormoc: to some people, xine is better then mplayer, yes
[23:35:00] kormoc: myth doesn't give a rat's ass
[23:35:00] Juski: sean33: let's see.. does mplayer do dvd menus?
[23:35:00] laga: Juski: some utility that pops any info on your screen while watching TV
[23:35:00] sean33: dunno does it ?
[23:35:00] Juski: sean33: nope
[23:36:00] Juski: laga: ahhhhh.. I see
[23:36:00] Juski: laga: some commenting out required methinks ;-)
[23:37:00] laga: Juski: yep. :))
[23:37:00] laga: works surprisingly well. hehe.
[23:37:00] Juski: I wouldn't want mythburn popping up to tell me it'd failed.. kinda spoils shows
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[23:38:00] laga: Juski: well, you could comment those out. for me, it'd only show up if it worked which hasn't happened so far :)
[23:38:00] Juski: heh
[23:38:00] Juski: did my avi crash someone's XP machine?
[23:39:00] laga: err, actually..how stupid is that? having the script die on purpose just because some stupid unnecessary notification app does not work?
[23:39:00] laga: i do hope that mythburn makes me want to take the DVD writer to bed
[23:39:00] Juski: haha... just watching my vid again... saw 'f**k truck' in the program finder
[23:40:00] laga: Juski: you guys get too much porn over there :)
[23:40:00] Juski: laga: it's all bad
[23:40:00] laga: :/
[23:40:00] laga: well, there's still marriage *shrug*
[23:40:00] Juski: someone must've figured enough of us geeks wear glasses already
[23:40:00] laga: muhaha :)
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[23:41:00] ** laga only has 4 diopters – palms are still silky, though **
[23:41:00] Juski: my eyesight has actually improved since I got married... go figure that one out
[23:41:00] laga: wow
[23:42:00] sean33: what would be a equivilant xine comand line ?
[23:42:00] Juski: 1.2 each eye
[23:42:00] Juski: xine -pfhq -zoom -fs or something
[23:42:00] kormoc: Juski, so it's true?!!? It really makes you go blind?!?! So does that make hookers eye doctors?
[23:43:00] Juski: yep
[23:43:00] Juski: cheaper than opticians too
[23:43:00] Juski: ;)
[23:43:00] kormoc: would be fun to explain to the insurance company :P
[23:44:00] kormoc: Why yes, I went to bunny luv ranch for my eye exam. Yes, it was for my vision....
[23:44:00] Juski: bit hard to read the letters on the wall when you're squinting though
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[23:49:00] thaJeepJerk: QT costs $$ on windows
[23:50:00] thaJeepJerk: boo
[23:51:00] thaJeepJerk: Isn't there supposed to be a mythweb theme for cellphones?
[23:53:00] Juski: Qt for windows would be free, wouldn't it?
[23:53:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: yup, wap and wml versions
[23:53:00] Juski: as opposed to say, QT
[23:53:00] thaJeepJerk: I'm getting a but load of errors when I try loading it
[23:53:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: pretty sure it's free now for windows... or some new version is/will be.
[23:53:00] thaJeepJerk: for the cellphone that is
[23:54:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: dunno there. no fancy cell like that for me, so I have to take the word of others that it works.
[23:54:00] thaJeepJerk: Juski: QT does not have a free license for windows available on their fpt that I can find
[23:54:00] thaJeepJerk: xris: care to see the error log?
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[23:55:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, http://www.trolltech.com/download/qt/windows.html
[23:56:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: put it in a pastebin somewhere
[23:56:00] thaJeepJerk: kormac: excellent
[23:57:00] laga: qt4 is free for windows, i think. but mythtv doesn't work with it yet :)
[23:57:00] kormoc: I beleive chutt said that he's not planning on updating myth to qt4 cause it's nontrivial
[23:58:00] laga: he can't depend on qt 3.x forever
[23:58:00] thaJeepJerk: xris: http://pastebin.linuxfromscratch.org/?show=2078
[23:58:00] laga: unless trolltech plans on supporting 3.x, of course
[23:58:00] Juski: it's not nontrivial to not use qt either
[23:58:00] kormoc: laga, that's true, but it could be a long time
[23:59:00] laga: kormoc: well, it will have taken a long time to get 0.19 released as well :)
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