| Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | rav3r: | fc4 |
| [00:00:00] | rav3r: | i've ran the installer again |
| [00:01:00] | confusi0n: | go to the nvidia website and grab the latest drivers |
| [00:02:00] | xris: | rav3r: make sure you downloaded the kernel-devel package for your current kernel |
| [00:02:00] | rav3r: | that's where i got the 8178 |
| [00:02:00] | rav3r: | what is that, xris? |
| [00:03:00] | xris: | what is what? |
| [00:04:00] | rav3r: | kernel-devel package |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | it's the headers so nvidia can compile the driver against the running kernel |
| [00:05:00] | xris: | rpm -qa "kernel*' |
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| [00:06:00] | Juski: | aha... buu:... I think I can get my script to make a temporary playlist & pass that to mplayer |
| [00:07:00] | awilkins: | You also have to rebuild Mythtv |
| [00:07:00] | Juski: | that'd be the best way to do it, buu |
| [00:07:00] | awilkins: | I found this. Even with the new kernel package and glx driver, and a reboot, myth needed rebuilding (after a make distclean). It must be statically linked against the older library. |
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| [00:12:00] | confusi0n: | speaking of nvida |
| [00:13:00] | confusi0n: | anyone having problems with Option "RENDER" and gtk none AA font rendering in X? |
| [00:13:00] | confusi0n: | with the more recent drivers that is |
| [00:17:00] | rav3r: | ok, that seemed to help. now i have NVIDIA(0) failed to load the NVIDIA kernal module |
| [00:17:00] | Juski: | hmmm.. need a way to list all rows in a table from a certain point |
| [00:18:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | where column_name > desired_value; :) |
| [00:20:00] | Juski: | duh.. oh yeah... oops |
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| [00:22:00] | rav3r: | here is my log: http://www.wannarumble.com/x.log |
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| [00:35:00] | Jusk1: | now just need to get my script to write the file & I'm done |
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| [00:38:00] | xris: | kormoc: so with microatx and krazylegs not around.. it's starting to look like just us and jarod. |
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| [00:39:00] | kormoc: | yeah, well, still should be fun |
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| [00:44:00] | scottder: | Tommorow I do my Myth install...hardware is all assembled, tommorow I load up the OS and Myth and cross my fingers |
| [00:44:00] | Jusk1: | buu: now got it so you can pass it an argument to sort the data by the different column names, e.g. filename, userrating, category (genre) |
| [00:45:00] | buu: | Ok.. |
| [00:45:00] | scottder: | and follow Jarod's guide |
| [00:45:00] | Jusk1: | almost done |
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| [00:47:00] | rav3r: | modprobe nvidia returns Module nvidia_1_0_7667 not found 7667 is older then the version i installed, how can i fix this? |
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| [00:48:00] | riddlebox: | hello, I am trying to setup a manual recording into the record table of the database, after I insert it, I check mythweb and under notes it says restatus:notlisted? |
| [00:51:00] | xris: | riddlebox: why not just use mythweb or the frontend to create the schedule? |
| [00:51:00] | riddlebox: | xris, I am accessing this from another app that I am writing |
| [00:52:00] | xris: | then read through the code and look at what else is required. and it's changed between .18 and .19, too. |
| [00:53:00] | riddlebox: | its wierd I have added to the database with success, but for some reason with the same command, it is not working |
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| [00:54:00] | rav3r: | i cant seem to get modprobe to use the rgiht version of the nvidia driver |
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| [01:03:00] | Jusk1: | buu: okees.. seems to be working |
| [01:05:00] | riddlebox: | when I do mythbackend --printsched after End there are S C I, what do they stand for? |
| [01:06:00] | scottder: | If I install 0.18.1 tommorow, am I going to be unhappy in a week when 0.19 (aka will stuff change enough to make upgrade a pain) |
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| [01:07:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | riddlebox: Source, Card, Input |
| [01:07:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | scottder: no, upgrade should be automatic |
| [01:08:00] | scottder: | Captain_Murdoch: I'll probably use the RPMs Jarod mentions in his doc |
| [01:09:00] | Jusk1: | buu: have fun with this: http://pastebin.com/528144 |
| [01:10:00] | Jusk1: | anyone else have a use for a 'play all vids from current' script? |
| [01:10:00] | Jusk1: | until someone puts playlisting in mythvideo ;) |
| [01:10:00] | Jusk1: | buu: that was a nice diversion.. and as it turns out it'll come in handy |
| [01:11:00] | buu: | Am I the only one who finds pastebin ridiculously hard to read? |
| [01:11:00] | Kelerion: | I've never written a perl script in my life – its *that* easy to connect to a mysql db?? |
| [01:11:00] | Jusk1: | yep |
| [01:12:00] | Kelerion: | I do everything in php |
| [01:12:00] | buu: | Poor guy. |
| [01:12:00] | Kelerion: | php it cool |
| [01:12:00] | Jusk1: | buu: I'll put it up on my webbyshite |
| [01:12:00] | ** buu teaches Jusk1 how to declare variables when he needs them. ** | |
| [01:13:00] | Jusk1: | buu! you fsckin cheeky S.O.B. |
| [01:13:00] | buu: | ^_^ |
| [01:13:00] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [01:13:00] | buu: | So what do I do with it? |
| [01:13:00] | Jusk1: | after that, you can put it where the sun don't shine |
| [01:14:00] | buu: | haha |
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| [01:14:00] | rav3r: | any ideas about this modprobe nvidia driver thing? |
| [01:14:00] | Jusk1: | you mean you can't work it out already, buu ? |
| [01:15:00] | buu: | Jusk1: I'm not sure what *you* think should be done.. |
| [01:15:00] | Jusk1: | what do you think? |
| [01:16:00] | Jusk1: | it'd go in place of the mplayer command in mythvideo |
| [01:16:00] | Kelerion: | what does "my" do in perl? set a var? |
| [01:16:00] | Jusk1: | or as a 'custom command' for a certain video |
| [01:16:00] | buu: | Jusk1: Oh, hrm, mplayer |
| [01:16:00] | buu: | Kelerion: my lexicalizes variable names. |
| [01:16:00] | buu: | Or declares lexicals, if you prefer. |
| [01:17:00] | Jusk1: | buu: sounds like you coulda done this, but you were being lazy ;) |
| [01:17:00] | buu: | Well, I didn't know the database details |
| [01:17:00] | Jusk1: | neither did I, not for the videos tables anyway |
| [01:18:00] | buu: | Is there anyway to modify what mythvideo thinks is the "current video", the one with the selection recticle? |
| [01:18:00] | buu: | Jusk1: Oh well, you volunteered first =] |
| [01:18:00] | Jusk1: | erm... |
| [01:19:00] | Jusk1: | oh, so when you've got the videos going out of a different X server.. it'll advance down to the next on the list when the last one has played? |
| [01:19:00] | buu: | Yeah |
| [01:19:00] | Jusk1: | that'll be a big fat negatory |
| [01:19:00] | buu: | Well, even without a different X server.. |
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| [01:19:00] | Jusk1: | that script is the next best thing to changing the mythvideo code |
| [01:19:00] | buu: | Yeah |
| [01:19:00] | buu: | Thanks. I might poke the mythvideo code some time |
| [01:20:00] | Jusk1: | _best_ way to do it would be to build it into mythvideo |
| [01:20:00] | buu: | Yeah |
| [01:20:00] | Jusk1: | actually if mythmusic's playlists are gonna get a revamp, do playlisting the same way |
| [01:20:00] | Jusk1: | for mythvideo |
| [01:20:00] | buu: | Yay playlists! |
| [01:21:00] | rav3r: | nvidia says to check the output of dmesg, but i cant read all of it, any way to page through it? |
| [01:21:00] | buu: | rav3r: "less" |
| [01:21:00] | Jusk1: | dmesg |grep nvidia |
| [01:21:00] | Jusk1: | or less |
| [01:21:00] | Jusk1: | dmesg |less |
| [01:21:00] | Jusk1: | oops |
| [01:21:00] | Jusk1: | or dmesg |more |
| [01:22:00] | electrichamster: | or shift-pageup |
| [01:22:00] | electrichamster: | and shift-pagedown |
| [01:22:00] | electrichamster: | to scroll in a console |
| [01:23:00] | rav3r: | thanks, electric, that's good to know |
| [01:23:00] | rav3r: | so, dmesg |grep nvidia returns nothing, that's a good thing, right? |
| [01:23:00] | buu: | try -i |
| [01:23:00] | electrichamster: | np |
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| [01:26:00] | rav3r: | buu, -i, was that for me? |
| [01:26:00] | buu: | Yes. |
| [01:26:00] | Jusk1: | anyway.. http://www.juski.co.uk/multiplay.pl |
| [01:26:00] | Jusk1: | fuck |
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| [01:27:00] | Jusk1: | www.juski.co.uk/multiplay.pl.txt |
| [01:27:00] | rav3r: | dmesg -i? or gmesh |grep nvidia -i? |
| [01:27:00] | Jusk1: | wtf?! |
| [01:27:00] | rav3r: | dmesg -i? or dmesg |grep nvidia -i? |
| [01:27:00] | buu: | grep -i |
| [01:28:00] | Jusk1: | http://www.juski.co.uk/scripts |
| [01:28:00] | Jusk1: | better |
| [01:28:00] | Jusk1: | damn domain forwarding again |
| [01:28:00] | Jusk1: | :-/ |
| [01:28:00] | rav3r: | what is that supposed to do? |
| [01:29:00] | Jusk1: | arghh |
| [01:29:00] | scottder: | You don't have permission to access /justin.hornsby2/scripts/multiplay.pl.txt on this server. |
| [01:29:00] | Jusk1: | I'll tar it |
| [01:29:00] | Jusk1: | that'll fettle it |
| [01:30:00] | Jusk1: | try again |
| [01:31:00] | rav3r: | what should i be looking for in dmesg? |
| [01:31:00] | Jusk1: | fscking pesky NTK |
| [01:31:00] | rav3r: | what do kernel errors look like? |
| [01:34:00] | rav3r: | im still debugging "NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!" |
| [01:34:00] | rav3r: | (! is part of the message, im not yelling :) |
| [01:36:00] | Jusk1: | if FC is really so much hassle getting nvidia drivers to work... |
| [01:37:00] | rav3r: | i dont know if it is fc, or me |
| [01:37:00] | rav3r: | prolly me |
| [01:37:00] | rav3r: | this is my first linux experience |
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| [01:38:00] | Jusk1: | what do all the nvidia FC how-to guides say to do? |
| [01:38:00] | Jusk1: | google for how to remove the nvidia driver first... it's messed up |
| [01:39:00] | Nichotin: | rav3r: the message is pretty clear, the nvidia module is not loaded |
| [01:39:00] | Nichotin: | modprobe nvidia |
| [01:39:00] | Jusk1: | conflict between the X driver & the kernel module, and that's sometimes a bitch to fix |
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| [01:39:00] | Jusk1: | different versions of each |
| [01:40:00] | Jusk1: | rav3r: did you ever have it working then upgrade your kernel? |
| [01:40:00] | rav3r: | the modprobe nvidia returns an error about 7667, and that is older then the version i am using |
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| [01:40:00] | Jusk1: | right.. so you need to get the newer kernel driver |
| [01:40:00] | Kelerion: | and uninstall the older version |
| [01:40:00] | rav3r: | i did yum uninstall, yum install is how i did the old one |
| [01:41:00] | Jusk1: | Kelerion: you doing the myth protocol in python then? |
| [01:41:00] | Kelerion: | huh? |
| [01:42:00] | rav3r: | how do a get the newer kernel driver? i did the install from nvidia for the newest version |
| [01:42:00] | ** Jusk1 saw someone mutter something about having the bones of a winnymyth frontend earlier ** | |
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| [01:42:00] | Kelerion: | nah nah nah.. not getting that complicated |
| [01:43:00] | Kelerion: | thats whats wrong with the current winmyth |
| [01:43:00] | rav3r: | i guess the better question is how do i get modbprobe to use the new version i have installed |
| [01:44:00] | Jusk1: | rav3r: the modules are all the same name.. 7667 will still be 'nvidia'.. as will later ones |
| [01:44:00] | Jusk1: | if you used the nvidia installer, then using yum to remove it won't work, as far as I know |
| [01:44:00] | Cromz: | rav3r, you install it from console or inside the desktop? I mean by this did you edit the /etc/inittab and change the default run level to 3 instead of 5. then run that nvidia..run file? and edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to change the drive from nv to nvidia? |
| [01:45:00] | rav3r: | i used yum on the old one, the one installed with yum |
| [01:45:00] | Jusk1: | yes but you've since used the nvidia installer on the advice of someone here |
| [01:45:00] | rav3r: | i am working in init 3, as x wont start |
| [01:46:00] | Cromz: | rav3r, ok. and you ran the nvidia driver file from that. all you should need to do now is edit the xorg.cong and look for the driver see if it's nv or nvidia. |
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| [01:47:00] | rav3r: | oooh, i changed nvidia to nv, something is working... |
| [01:48:00] | rav3r: | ok, the the card seems to work, i am using monitor out of it, but the screen is all garbled |
| [01:48:00] | rav3r: | flashing purple and white squares |
| [01:48:00] | Jusk1: | I wouldn't call that 'working' |
| [01:48:00] | rav3r: | it's not "failing" i guess its a little better |
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| [01:50:00] | Jusk1: | rofl.. they call this a theme? http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/uploads/Skin/gg3_main2.jpg |
| [01:53:00] | Cromz: | rav3r, the driver line in xorg.conf needs to be "nvidia" |
| [01:56:00] | rav3r: | it was, and when i changed it to nv thats when it started without failing |
| [01:57:00] | rav3r: | but now the screen is messed up |
| [01:58:00] | Jusk1: | the reason the nvidia driver (nvidia) won't load is because the kernel module is out of sync with the X driver |
| [01:58:00] | Jusk1: | uninstall everything nvidia |
| [01:58:00] | Jusk1: | then install again |
| [01:59:00] | Jusk1: | and put "nvidia" in your xorg.conf driver line |
| [01:59:00] | ole_schoola: | same crap happens in winderz! |
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| [02:00:00] | daniel_bergamini: | hello all |
| [02:00:00] | daniel_bergamini: | I'm having a pig problem trying to mount a nfs share from another machine "reason given by server: Permission denied" |
| [02:01:00] | daniel_bergamini: | works fine mounting it locally on the exporting server |
| [02:01:00] | daniel_bergamini: | got the /etc/exports pretty wide open |
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| [02:01:00] | Jusk1: | the problem is with the associated line in exports.conf then |
| [02:01:00] | daniel_bergamini: | /myth *(rw,no_root_squash) |
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| [02:02:00] | daniel_bergamini: | added the no_root_squashfs to troubleshoot |
| [02:02:00] | scottder: | can you feed MythMusic multiple directories of music? I want to SMB mount my wifes |
| [02:02:00] | scottder: | "My Music" folder.... |
| [02:02:00] | scottder: | should work ok |
| [02:02:00] | superm1: | I have been encountering lots of IOBOUND related issues (svn-8662) when recording a single HD show @ 1080i. I have read on the list to increase ThreadFileWriter's buffer to 32MB to solve these issues. As of right now I'm recompiling with this, but I'm curious why hasn't this been put into head? Are there any ramifications of increasing this buffer? |
| [02:02:00] | Kelerion: | scottder: it supports recursive directories.. so just mount it somewhere within your main music folder |
| [02:03:00] | scottder: | ah so define say /music then mount it under /music somewhere....that makes sense |
| [02:03:00] | scottder: | thanks :) |
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| [02:03:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
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| [02:05:00] | rav3r: | Jusk1, any advice on the "uninstall everything nvidia" i did yum remove on the packages i installed with yum, but i don't know how to remove the one from nvidia's site, i shh that one |
| [02:07:00] | rav3r: | sh, actually |
| [02:07:00] | Jusk1: | there's an option to uninstall in the script I think... reckon it'll be mentioned in the FM |
| [02:08:00] | superm1: | anyone with any ideas here on my IOBOUND question? |
| [02:08:00] | nasa: | Hopefully someone can give me a clue on this, I am using a 1800 athlon xp with 756 Megs of memory & ati 8500dv. I am seeing about 65% cpu usage watching tv — does this sound right? |
| [02:09:00] | superm1: | nasa: depends on the format of your recordings? |
| [02:09:00] | nasa: | superm1: i'm not recording... |
| [02:09:00] | Jusk1: | yes you are, nasa |
| [02:09:00] | Jusk1: | in livetv you are always recording |
| [02:10:00] | superm1: | .... into a ringbuffer |
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| [02:10:00] | Travis: | hi how can I use a joystick/controller with MYTHTV |
| [02:10:00] | nasa: | BTW: I am using pvr-500 as tv card. |
| [02:10:00] | Travis: | I have my controller setup and working with linux it controls mplayer fine |
| [02:10:00] | nasa: | Ok, so I am recording... :} |
| [02:11:00] | Jusk1: | superm1: no idea as to the IOBOUND question.. if anyone awake here knew they'd speak up I'm sure |
| [02:11:00] | Travis: | I would use my remote but lirc under ubuntu is horribly hard to get working |
| [02:11:00] | xris: | Travis: it's not just ubuntu |
| [02:11:00] | superm1: | Jusk1: thanks, i'll post to the list and maybe get a response there |
| [02:12:00] | superm1: | nasa: that seems a bit high to me. i am running around 20–30 percent cpu usage here |
| [02:12:00] | superm1: | w/ mpeg2 recordings from a pvr250mce |
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| [02:12:00] | Travis: | so anyway is there like a menu that I goto to enable joystick? |
| [02:12:00] | nasa: | superm1: I thought it seemed high. What could cause that? |
| [02:12:00] | nasa: | Travis: what remote? |
| [02:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Travis: You have to compile in support for it, but I'm not sure if there is a menu or not |
| [02:13:00] | superm1: | nasa: possibly if you dont have xv support in your video driver, then it will fall back to x11 |
| [02:13:00] | Travis: | nasa its a kworld one |
| [02:13:00] | nasa: | superm1: I am using the ATI drivers. |
| [02:13:00] | Travis: | I have tried and tried to get lirc to work with it |
| [02:14:00] | Travis: | I wonder if the Ubuntu image of Mythtv has controller support |
| [02:14:00] | superm1: | okay well i really doubt then that xv is broken, but just for fun, run xdpyinfo | grep XVideo |
| [02:14:00] | nasa: | Is the kworld remote a usb remote? |
| [02:14:00] | superm1: | if it spits back out XVideo then its enabled |
| [02:14:00] | Travis: | nasa no |
| [02:14:00] | Travis: | it has a reciever that plugs into a tv card |
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| [02:14:00] | Travis: | I don't really use the tv card anymore |
| [02:15:00] | Travis: | I just use mythtv for watching downloaded videos and tv shows |
| [02:15:00] | Jusk1: | someone boot Travis out |
| [02:15:00] | Travis: | why? |
| [02:15:00] | Jusk1: | ^^^^^ |
| [02:15:00] | Travis: | ?? |
| [02:15:00] | Jusk1: | don't talk about that in here please |
| [02:16:00] | Travis: | talk about what? |
| [02:16:00] | mchou: | "downloaded videos" |
| [02:16:00] | nasa: | it returns: XVideo (that's all) |
| [02:16:00] | Travis: | downloaded videos = vid casts |
| [02:16:00] | Travis: | like photoshop tv |
| [02:16:00] | Travis: | they're legal |
| [02:16:00] | Jusk1: | ah... that's okay then |
| [02:16:00] | Jusk1: | :) |
| [02:17:00] | superm1: | nasa, okay you can try to change the preferred mpeg2 decoder to be libmpeg2 instead of Standard (i'm not sure if thats in .18.1 however, i know its in svn) |
| [02:17:00] | superm1: | Its supposed to provide better perf for athlon based procs |
| [02:17:00] | Jusk1: | it's in 0.18.1 too |
| [02:17:00] | nasa: | superm1: I am stupid. nvm |
| [02:18:00] | Travis: | I'm more concerned about getting my joystick working with mythtv then the remote |
| [02:18:00] | ** nasa can't believe how stuip he can be ** | |
| [02:18:00] | nasa: | /s/stupid/stuip |
| [02:18:00] | nasa: | see |
| [02:18:00] | Jusk1: | erm.. hang on.. what CPU? I get better than that with my athlon800 and a GeForce2 GPU |
| [02:18:00] | Jusk1: | total CPU usage like 40% playing & recording at the same time |
| [02:19:00] | superm1: | yea thats about what i think nasa should be seeing – nasa what was it ? |
| [02:19:00] | nasa: | Jusk1: didn't I just say, I am REALLY stupid... |
| [02:19:00] | kormoc: | whatcha do? |
| [02:19:00] | nasa: | I am watching my tv via vnc.... |
| [02:19:00] | Jusk1: | must be down to the ATI card then :-P |
| [02:19:00] | superm1: | lol |
| [02:20:00] | Jusk1: | ahhhh |
| [02:20:00] | mchou: | nasa: does that even work? |
| [02:20:00] | Jusk1: | blame the ati card anyway, just for good measure |
| [02:20:00] | Jusk1: | works for me.. but it's dog slow |
| [02:20:00] | Cromz: | my 2600+'s are running about cpu1 13% and cpu2 13% while watching livetv and a vnc session. |
| [02:20:00] | nasa: | mchou: yea (and yeah, it's really slow) |
| [02:21:00] | superm1: | just curious, do most people use the vnc module for xorg, or some vnc layer on top of it like x11vnc or vino usually? |
| [02:21:00] | Jusk1: | hey rav3r.. there's an --uninstall option on the nvidia run script |
| [02:21:00] | Jusk1: | it's in the FM like I said |
| [02:22:00] | Jusk1: | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . tion-04.html |
| [02:22:00] | nasa: | I'm using tightvnc |
| [02:22:00] | kormoc: | superm1, all vncs are ontop iirc |
| [02:23:00] | mchou: | speaking of which, what is the recommended version of nvidia driver to use for xvmc and myth? |
| [02:23:00] | nasa: | Cromz: you have a dual system (got to be nice) |
| [02:24:00] | mchou: | is it 8178 or some other version? |
| [02:24:00] | Jusk1: | mchou: depends if you're using opengl sync or not |
| [02:24:00] | superm1: | well i have just seen some apps perform differently depending on the vnc layer you put on, i don't really have a good example right now, but i know i have seen it between different machines. my netboot myth FE I run the realvnc module for xorg, while my desktop i run vino (since it fits so nicely into gnome) |
| [02:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: 8174 and 8178 have issues with gl vsync driving up cpu load |
| [02:24:00] | Cromz: | nasa: ya.. it's sweet. had alot of issues. the old gigibyte mobo sucked.. lol can't use onboard audio with and lan.. it'll lock up. |
| [02:24:00] | Cromz: | er gigabyte. |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: using 8178 and gl sync I get LOTS of prebuffer pauses. |
| [02:25:00] | nanoITX: | Hmm. I've got libdvdread and libdvdcss installed and am getting a compile error in mythdvd complaining about the lack of inttypes.h included before dvdread |
| [02:25:00] | mchou: | and skipped frames |
| [02:25:00] | Jusk1: | mchou: that'll be it then |
| [02:25:00] | rav3r: | so, i've unstalled everthing nvidia, but the X log still talkes about the nvidia driver, how can i fix the xorg.conf? |
| [02:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: If you are running SVN turn off gl vsync in the frontend seutp menus |
| [02:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | see if it goes away |
| [02:26:00] | Jusk1: | rav3r: now reinstall nvidia using yum |
| [02:26:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: been there done that already. Goes away :) |
| [02:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | It affects a lot of people |
| [02:27:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: so 7xxx series driver doesnt have this problem? |
| [02:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: Correct |
| [02:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | going back to 7676 should work fine |
| [02:28:00] | mchou: | bah, that will mean a recompile of myth |
| [02:28:00] | Jusk1: | rav3r: found a nifty guide for FC4: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc4.html#nvidia |
| [02:28:00] | mchou: | too much hassle |
| [02:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou why ? |
| [02:28:00] | kormoc: | mchou, you shouldn't need to recompile myth to downgrade the nvidia driver |
| [02:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need to recompile myth just cause you changed your nvidia drivers |
| [02:28:00] | mchou: | kormoc: sure you do. |
| [02:28:00] | kormoc: | mchou, why? |
| [02:29:00] | mchou: | xvmc |
| [02:29:00] | kormoc: | doesn't link |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need to recompile |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need to recompile |
| [02:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't need to recompile |
| [02:29:00] | kormoc: | it's not a staticly linked lib, you can downgrade just fine |
| [02:30:00] | kormoc: | mchou, ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend | grep -i xvmc will show you the dynamic links |
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| [02:33:00] | superm1: | that threadfilewriter buffer change i mentioned earlier.... do I have to apply it to all FE's or just to the backend? (its in libmythtv, so I am wondering if that gets used in several other places) |
| [02:35:00] | rav3r: | thanks, Jusk1, im looking at that now |
| [02:37:00] | riddlebox: | when I do mythbackend --printsched after S C I there are T and N, what do they stand for? |
| [02:39:00] | nanoITX: | anyone have issues with dvdread headers complainig about inttypes.h not included when compiling mythdvd? |
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| [02:42:00] | sean33: | im having issues with unknown symbols in cx8800 and cant load cx88xx |
| [02:43:00] | sean33: | this i assume is stopping channels from being able to be changed |
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| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | is anyone |
| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | having problems with zap it |
| [02:45:00] | sean33: | think that this issue only started after updating the firmware |
| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | i cant seem to get connected i had an expired |
| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | account and registered with an new account |
| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | adn i cant find my line up |
| [02:45:00] | EnterServerName: | and i tried adding the same line up |
| [02:46:00] | EnterServerName: | as my previous |
| [02:46:00] | EnterServerName: | and still not working |
| [02:46:00] | EnterServerName: | nevermindi ts working now |
| [02:46:00] | EnterServerName: | must have beena tempg lirtch |
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| [02:49:00] | sean33: | gees fun |
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| [02:55:00] | afm: | while trying to discover key functions, I hit either x or c and my tv went blank. can't get my picture back |
| [02:56:00] | Jusk1: | c changes inputs on your tuner card |
| [02:56:00] | afm: | thanks...hit again till right input |
| [02:57:00] | nanoITX: | Bah, now I have all sorts of problems with Qt |
| [02:57:00] | nanoITX: | bbiab |
| [03:02:00] | ole_schoola: | and i gots dis really bad rash |
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| [03:04:00] | ** scottder passes ole_schoola some ointment ** | |
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| [03:13:00] | rav3r: | so, following http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc4.html#nvidia , modprobe nvidia still returns FATAL: Module nvidia_1_0_7667 not found |
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| [03:25:00] | sean33: | heat rash ? |
| [03:26:00] | sean33: | ole_schoola maybe its syphilis |
| [03:31:00] | ole_schoola: | heh, just rambling — skimming through the hat i see "i have this" and "i have that" |
| [03:31:00] | ole_schoola: | it was a long day |
| [03:31:00] | ole_schoola: | i originally ws going to take off |
| [03:32:00] | ole_schoola: | arrrgh, sb 'skimming through the chat' |
| [03:35:00] | scottder: | Anyeone want to suggest a sound card with optical output and good stable linux support |
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| [03:39:00] | Kelerion: | theres tons of them.. the audigy's are popular.. heck I have a *basic* c-media card that works perfectly under linux |
| [03:43:00] | xris: | soundblaster live is imho the best-supported linux card. |
| [03:43:00] | xris: | dunno about optical, though |
| [03:43:00] | sean33: | eeeeeer |
| [03:44:00] | Kelerion: | and the sb live cards are *still* very nice cards.. even if they are pretty old now |
| [03:45:00] | Kelerion: | do they still make them btw? |
| [03:45:00] | sean33: | nope |
| [03:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | You sure? I can still buy them new |
| [03:48:00] | sean33: | old stock |
| [03:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | Must be a lot of places with old stock :) |
| [03:48:00] | sean33: | yes there is |
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| [03:49:00] | Kelerion: | xris: planning on putting your export libs into the main trunk? (after .19) |
| [03:49:00] | xris: | export? |
| [03:49:00] | xris: | no, interface libs |
| [03:49:00] | Kelerion: | ahh ok |
| [03:50:00] | xris: | want to make a generic mythtv interface for perl... many scripts are starting to use it, and I'm getting tired of copying/pasting code. |
| [03:51:00] | Kelerion: | makes sense |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | Kelerion: cmedia sucks big time |
| [03:51:00] | Kelerion: | works perfectly enough for me.. it has optical out to my reciever and thats all I need |
| [03:51:00] | mchou: | line-in/mic is noiser than shit, sounds like 2bit ADC |
| [03:52:00] | mchou: | and also no HW mixing :) |
| [03:52:00] | Kelerion: | i only use it in my main frontend |
| [03:53:00] | scottder: | basically I just want something that psses all the audio to the digital output |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | I agree w/ xris that sb lives are probably the best suopported snd chip on linux |
| [03:53:00] | mchou: | if you just want spdif (w/o HW mixing) any old mobo integrated one will work, I suppose |
| [03:54:00] | Kelerion: | I have an audigy for input to my backend.. and the c-media's optical spdif to my receiver.. works dandy |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | older chips work better than thos danged "winchips" |
| [03:55:00] | mchou: | those* |
| [03:55:00] | scottder: | Well the MB i am using doesn't have integreted sound anyway |
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| [03:55:00] | scottder: | Creative still sells Live for $29.99 |
| [03:55:00] | scottder: | not bad |
| [03:56:00] | mchou: | scottder: if you can find one turtle beach Santa Cruz works well too. |
| [03:56:00] | scottder: | http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?c . . . roduct=10315 |
| [03:56:00] | mchou: | I actually think it's just a tad better than sblive |
| [03:56:00] | mchou: | because it has analog and SPDIF |
| [03:57:00] | scottder: | mchou: you refrerring to Santa Cruz? |
| [03:57:00] | Kelerion: | mchou: so does my cmedia |
| [03:57:00] | mchou: | Kelerion: your cmedia has crappy audio in and no HW mixing |
| [03:58:00] | Kelerion: | which is why I don't use it for input |
| [03:58:00] | mchou: | Santa cruz has perfect audio in AND HW mixing |
| [03:58:00] | Kelerion: | but for digital.. it's as good as anything else |
| [03:58:00] | Kelerion: | for output |
| [03:59:00] | scottder: | Well when it comes upgrade time I'll keep the TB in mind mchou thanks |
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| [04:00:00] | xanderp: | i'm upping my frontend kernel to 2.6.15-r1 to see if i can get my lirc to work... |
| [04:01:00] | xanderp: | so far so good... at least it compiled. |
| [04:04:00] | sPiN: | xanderp: did you install the latest lirc? .8? |
| [04:04:00] | xanderp: | yes |
| [04:04:00] | xanderp: | i have .8.0pre3 |
| [04:04:00] | sPiN: | and did you install the latest ivtv drivers if you have a hauppauge remote? |
| [04:04:00] | xanderp: | i'm trying to get those in as we speak |
| [04:05:00] | sPiN: | they .4.2 has fix for the pvr ir receiver |
| [04:05:00] | sean33: | my channels dont want to change with out an external command .. says that the database is most likely setup incorrectly ? |
| [04:05:00] | xanderp: | sweet |
| [04:06:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: thanks! |
| [04:07:00] | sPiN: | yep yep :) my pvr 150 remote works great with the new ivtv driver and lirc |
| [04:07:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: I just realized that i didn't have ivtv set to use unstable so I didn't have 4.2 as option... will try again with that one. |
| [04:08:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: I just wish someone who knows how would get [CC] working in mythtv... |
| [04:08:00] | mchou: | sPiN: is this the remote that plugs in direct to pv1150? |
| [04:08:00] | mchou: | pvr150* |
| [04:08:00] | sPiN: | yep |
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| [04:08:00] | mchou: | sPiN: does the blaster work too? |
| [04:09:00] | afm: | nvidia geforce4 mx 4000 s-video out help with xorg.conf? svideo works under init 3, but not X :| |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | afm: that's cause you have to use 800x600 or less |
| [04:10:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: i'm just glad kernel builds are fast... ivtv is pissed about missing bt848 option :) |
| [04:10:00] | mchou: | afm: and also add TV as a device in xorg.conf |
| [04:11:00] | afm: | i am |
| [04:11:00] | afm: | done that too |
| [04:13:00] | xanderp: | it's nice that a kernel rebuild can take less than 2 minutes these days... anyone here build a kernel on a 486 processor before? AUGHHHH!!!! |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | takes 48 hrs :) |
| [04:14:00] | xanderp: | longer if you are on a SX instead of a DX ;) |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | um, why would floating point matter? |
| [04:15:00] | mchou: | it's not like the math coprocessor gets used for the compile |
| [04:16:00] | xanderp: | ? I just remember my SX being much slower... maybe because it was also a slower CPU... |
| [04:17:00] | rav3r: | i've gotten x to start, but the screen is messed up, like there are 6 instances of the screen all over the place, blurry, what would cause this? |
| [04:18:00] | xanderp: | blurry... reminds me of the time i remote desktopped into the same machine i was remote from :) it was very trippy. |
| [04:18:00] | afm: | had to do with the auto sensing of the input... "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" finally vscreen |
| [04:20:00] | sPiN: | xanderp: blaster? |
| [04:20:00] | rav3r: | ? |
| [04:20:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: ? |
| [04:21:00] | sPiN: | what is blaster? |
| [04:21:00] | mchou: | sPiN: ir blaster |
| [04:21:00] | mchou: | to control a STB, for example |
| [04:22:00] | rav3r: | i restored an old conf file, seems to have fixed it |
| [04:22:00] | rav3r: | weird |
| [04:22:00] | sPiN: | ahh, dont know about that xanderp |
| [04:22:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: i've got the pvr350 in my frontend and use it's IR cable, and i've got 2 pvr250's in my backend and use nothing there. |
| [04:23:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: don't know about what? |
| [04:24:00] | sPiN: | you asked me about blaster, i dont know what it is and i dont use it i dont think |
| [04:24:00] | sPiN: | dohh sorry |
| [04:24:00] | sPiN: | [23:08] <mchou> sPiN: does the blaster work too? |
| [04:24:00] | xanderp: | ummm i didn't mention blaster. |
| [04:25:00] | xanderp: | i was thinking... wierd... i'm hearing the second half of a conversation that I'm not having... |
| [04:26:00] | xanderp: | so does 4.2 ivtv and .8pre3 of lirc fix the problem of lirc not creating it's /dev/ ? |
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| [04:27:00] | sPiN: | it did for me xanderp |
| [04:27:00] | xanderp: | sweet |
| [04:27:00] | xanderp: | damn annoying that the new builds were broken |
| [04:28:00] | xanderp: | crap... now i don't even have the lircd device! |
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| [04:29:00] | xanderp: | sPiN: what distro? |
| [04:30:00] | sPiN: | suse 10 |
| [04:31:00] | sPiN: | 64bit, with gcc4, myth tv svn |
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| [04:31:00] | xanderp: | ahh... my frontend that i'm having problems with is gentoo |
| [04:36:00] | sean33: | waahhhhhhaaaa i cant get the tuner working its driving me nuts |
| [04:38:00] | sean33: | and also cant press the "c" and change to video input |
| [04:39:00] | sPiN: | mine was working fine a couple days ago... i didnt change anything that i am aware of, and now it wont cap :( |
| [04:39:00] | sPiN: | dmsg is clean, the ivtv module loads just fine, sees my card, just like it did when everything was working |
| [04:39:00] | sPiN: | but when i do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg i get a 0 byte file :( |
| [04:41:00] | nanoITX: | back |
| [04:41:00] | nanoITX: | now to struggle with Qt. |
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| [04:44:00] | afm: | my myth installation is ignoring 99% of the keyboard keys that are supposed to work |
| [04:44:00] | afm: | m bring up a menu...but for the life of me i can't change a channel |
| [04:48:00] | sean33: | do i need to make a custom map in .xawtv ? |
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| [04:50:00] | nanoITX: | can anyone help me with Qt errors when trying to build mythdvd? |
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| [04:52:00] | bo1: | hey all, I am installing mythtv and I was wondering am I to change the mysql port to the defaul used by myth or change myth to use the 3306 port for mysql connections? |
| [04:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | Ummm What ? |
| [04:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Why would you change eithers port ? |
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| [04:56:00] | sPiN: | wahhoooo!!! |
| [04:56:00] | sPiN: | i have no clue what i did, but im soooo back in business! |
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| [05:03:00] | deebus: | can someone help me with my pvr-500? |
| [05:03:00] | nanoITX: | when trying to compile mythdvd, it throws up an error, apparently related to Q_EXPORT not define for the Qt headers. Are there any pointers to help resolve this? Google is little help |
| [05:03:00] | deebus: | says "/dev/dsp1: no such device" |
| [05:03:00] | deebus: | inodes exist for dsp1–3 |
| [05:04:00] | deebus: | nanoITX: got all the necessary kernel modules loaded? |
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| [05:07:00] | deebus: | anyone have issues with /dev/dsp* not being recognized? |
| [05:09:00] | nanoITX: | deebus: what has that got to do with compiling against Qt? FWIW, yes, I've got drm, via's drm module, dri, xvmc and xvmc VLD wotking: xine renders 1080i at 30% idle. |
| [05:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | Why would your pvr500 require a /dev/dsp device ? |
| [05:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or is that a problem with playback and openning the soundcard for output ? |
| [05:10:00] | nanoITX: | it complains about a missing Q_EXPORT macro... apparently that has to be defined for the target platform and does not exist anywhere in the installed QT headers on FC3 |
| [05:11:00] | nanoITX: | I'd figure that Qt for FC3 on i686 would have the right definition |
| [05:11:00] | nanoITX: | I'll try downloading and buildinfg qt-x11-free-3.3.5 and see if that helps |
| [05:11:00] | xanderp: | does lirc use part of the ivtv for pvr350's to make /dev/lirc/0 work right? i think my ivtv may be broken so could that break lirc too? |
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| [05:13:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx I did a nmap on my local host and the ports the backend is using is not open |
| [05:13:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx 6543 6544 |
| [05:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | And you are positive the backend is running ? |
| [05:13:00] | bo1: | ahh no... |
| [05:13:00] | bo1: | :) |
| [05:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | and forget nmap, "netstat -antu" will show you all open ports :) |
| [05:14:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: not sure why pvr500 wants /dev/dsp device...should that not be? |
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| [05:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: There is no reason it would |
| [05:15:00] | bo1: | ok but 6543 and 6544 are not open.. don't they need to be? or don't the backend settings need to sync with mysqls port? |
| [05:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: What do you mean sync'd with mysql's port? 2 applications cannot bind to the same port on the same ip |
| [05:16:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx, me idiot, It kept saying it couldn't connect so I was fishing for an reason to fix something |
| [05:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: When exactly are you getting this /dev/dsp1 error ? |
| [05:18:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx ok back end is running.. now |
| [05:19:00] | xanderp: | any opinions as to if i need to install hotplug and or coldplug on gentoo for my ivtv to work properly? |
| [05:19:00] | deebus: | when I try to watch tv. it says "/dev/dsp1: illegal seek", or "/dev/dsp1: no such device" |
| [05:20:00] | deebus: | the only options of have for audio in device are /dev/dsp1–3 |
| [05:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | You don't configure and audio in device with aPVR card |
| [05:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | You must have configured it as a Standard v4l card instead of a PVR card |
| [05:22:00] | deebus: | argh! not sure what I did wrong, then |
| [05:22:00] | deebus: | let me find the wiki... |
| [05:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | rerun mythtv-setup |
| [05:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | see what the cards are defined as |
| [05:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | If it's a v4l device change it to be a PVR device |
| [05:23:00] | deebus: | ok, hang on... |
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| [05:23:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx getting a can't open network socket from mythtv command. Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [05:23:00] | bo1: | Connection timed out. |
| [05:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | What do you get from this "netstat -antu | grep 6543" |
| [05:24:00] | sean33: | problem resolved the ivtv frequency table is wrong ! |
| [05:24:00] | bo1: | nothing.. |
| [05:24:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx nothing |
| [05:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | And "ps -ef | grep mythbackend" ? |
| [05:24:00] | sean33: | no wonder people have probelms getting channels |
| [05:24:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: the card was configured as "/dev/v4l/video0–1" |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: Don't worry as much about the name of the device as the type is defined as |
| [05:25:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx: just my grep.. but I started backend and it said it was running.. |
| [05:25:00] | deebus: | but /dev/video0–1 are not options, just /dev/video2–15 |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: Obviously it's not |
| [05:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | run it manually and see what kind of error you get |
| [05:26:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: configured as mpeg2 encoders :-/ |
| [05:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then where are you seeing an Audio Input setting? There is no such setting when the card is set as a Mpeg2 encoder |
| [05:27:00] | deebus: | I don't think I fully understood the problem I was having |
| [05:27:00] | deebus: | hang on... |
| [05:28:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx:Session management error: Could not open network socket |
| [05:28:00] | sean33: | where do the fequency maps for ivtv live ? |
| [05:28:00] | xanderp: | well crap... that was the problem... now that i installed hotplug and coldplug my lirc works! |
| [05:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: Got some funky restrictive kernel install or something? |
| [05:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause whatever that is, it's not myth related |
| [05:28:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: I am an retarded...I meant audio output device :-X |
| [05:29:00] | bo1: | greufpxx no, |
| [05:29:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx no.. |
| [05:29:00] | bo1: | greyfox anyway I should go about debugging? |
| [05:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: No idea, you could start googling for that error message |
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| [05:30:00] | bo1: | I am going to reboot cause I am getting a bunch of mime type errors too when I try to run audio apps etc.. and my control panell etc.. |
| [05:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: Then try a difference device :) |
| [05:31:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 |
| [05:31:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: yeah, the only options I have in myth are /dev/dsp1–3 |
| [05:31:00] | deebus: | should it not be a dsp device at all? |
| [05:31:00] | bo1: | brb |
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| [05:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: Can you play audio in other apps ? |
| [05:32:00] | xanderp: | is threre a quick easy way to kill processes other than with their pid? like i want to kill all processes that are 'mythfrontend' |
| [05:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | xanderp: "killall" |
| [05:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | "killall appname" |
| [05:32:00] | xanderp: | awesome... thank you GreyFoxx |
| [05:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though if you are ever root on a non linux box don't use that |
| [05:33:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: yes, audio works fine for other apps |
| [05:33:00] | xanderp: | most likely will never be, but thanks for the warning. |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | deebus: And do you know if it's using OSS or ALSA for audio output ? |
| [05:33:00] | deebus: | alsa |
| [05:34:00] | deebus: | followed these instructions: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup . . . talling_IVTV |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | Then change your audio output devices |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | ALSA:default |
| [05:34:00] | deebus: | in myth? |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | correct |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | in the frontend settings |
| [05:34:00] | deebus: | I don't have that option in myth |
| [05:34:00] | deebus: | just cycles through /dev/dsp1, 2, and 3 |
| [05:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | You can type it in |
| [05:35:00] | ** deebus hits self *really* hard in nuts ** | |
| [05:35:00] | deebus: | <---deserved it |
| [05:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | For the mixer try ALSA:default |
| [05:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | if that doesn't work try just "default" |
| [05:37:00] | deebus: | greyfoxx: I heart you right now |
| [05:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [05:37:00] | deebus: | only now I just get a still picture... |
| [05:38:00] | deebus: | any idea why that is? |
| [05:38:00] | xanderp: | great... i got my lirc working... now if only i could watch video. when i select to play a recording off my backend box this frontend locks up with a red screen. i can ssh into the box, but don't know what i'm looking for. It is rebooting now. |
| [05:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can only suggest looking at the output of both front end backend |
| [05:39:00] | xanderp: | messages log you mean? |
| [05:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was actually replying to deebus, sorry |
| [05:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | But it applies to you as well :) |
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| [05:40:00] | deebus: | hm. ok. well thanks for helping me fix that problem. I'll have to give it a rest for tonight and come back to it tomorrow |
| [05:40:00] | deebus: | see ya |
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| [05:45:00] | WireDDD: | how well do you think mythtv would work on a 1ghz for just recording? |
| [05:46:00] | xanderp: | should i see tveeprom and saa7115 and tuner etc... as a loaded module if i'm using ivtv 4.2? all i have is ivtv, but dmesg shows that it was talking to those other modules. |
| [05:46:00] | WireDDD: | I wouldn't even have a monitor hooked up to it, I would just stream the video off of it from xbmc or from another computer |
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| [05:51:00] | sPiN: | DOH, i just ran mythweb on another box while i had mythtv running, and it crashed the box :( |
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| [05:58:00] | xvalentinex: | anyone know how I can get more visualizations for the music? |
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| [06:26:00] | jonK: | anyone around? |
| [06:27:00] | WireDDD: | not anyone that seems to be able to answer questions |
| [06:27:00] | jonK: | my lvm partition with mythfiles on it appears to be borked |
| [06:27:00] | jonK: | it won't let me umount and it claims to be mounted read only |
| [06:28:00] | WireDDD: | does it say that it is busy? |
| [06:28:00] | jonK: | indeed it does |
| [06:28:00] | WireDDD: | try a lazy umount |
| [06:29:00] | jonK: | and how do i accomplish such magic? |
| [06:29:00] | WireDDD: | umount -l |
| [06:30:00] | Cromz: | WireDDD, recording on a 1ghz machine hmm lets see.. if you have a good pvr card and decent disk transfer then it'll probilly be good. |
| [06:30:00] | WireDDD: | Cromz, do you think I can get away with a software encoder? |
| [06:31:00] | Cromz: | don't think 1ghz will work too smoothly, not to sure tho. |
| [06:31:00] | WireDDD: | k |
| [06:32:00] | WireDDD: | i'll just get a hauppauge card then |
| [06:32:00] | Cromz: | :) that'll work good heh |
| [06:33:00] | WireDDD: | how are the drivers for the 150, i've seen some people saying that they have a few problems |
| [06:33:00] | WireDDD: | but those could have been old posts |
| [06:34:00] | Cromz: | there has been some work on them. think they are ok now. I have 350's in mine. |
| [06:37:00] | rav3r: | good evening everyone. i am continuing through http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc and am now at the part where i am trying to set up lirc. i am not sure what remote i have (as the images linked to are missing) so i tried the first one, and it doesn't seem to be working ($ /usr/bin/irw doesn't return anything when i hit buttons) so i went back to try the next one, |
| [06:37:00] | rav3r: | and am stuck at the command to copy /usr/share/doc/ivtv-*/lircd-g.conf and it can't find that file, any ideas? |
| [06:37:00] | WireDDD: | Cromz, well I think I may just get a 150, as I can get one for $63 |
| [06:38:00] | Cromz: | :) |
| [06:38:00] | WireDDD: | too bad I can't somehow use this old replaytv that I have as an input device |
| [06:39:00] | sean33: | i have PVR-150's and they are fine |
| [06:40:00] | WireDDD: | ok good |
| [06:41:00] | rav3r: | the 150 is what i have and the remote i am trying to set up now |
| [06:41:00] | sean33: | i dont have the one with the remote |
| [06:41:00] | WireDDD: | I don't plan on useing it for a frontend so i'm not worried about that |
| [06:41:00] | sean33: | but i have Imon and a VFD :) which is working a treat |
| [06:42:00] | rav3r: | anyone know about setting up this remote? |
| [06:42:00] | sean33: | does it connect to the connector on the top of the card ? |
| [06:43:00] | sean33: | cause i was wondering what that was for |
| [06:43:00] | rav3r: | it doesn't connect to the card, it is usb |
| [06:43:00] | sean33: | oh |
| [06:43:00] | rav3r: | think that is the problem? |
| [06:43:00] | sean33: | anyone know what P1 is for on the PVR-150 ? |
| [06:44:00] | sean33: | narr i have my Imon running on USB no problem using lirc |
| [06:44:00] | rav3r: | do you have the 150's remote? |
| [06:44:00] | sean33: | nope |
| [06:44:00] | rav3r: | any suggestions? |
| [06:45:00] | sean33: | purchace the Soundfont Imon |
| [06:45:00] | sean33: | :) |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | surely someone has already got this remote working |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | your using lirc / |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | ? |
| [06:46:00] | rav3r: | trying to |
| [06:46:00] | rav3r: | following jarod's guide |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | arr ok |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | what distro |
| [06:46:00] | rav3r: | fc4 |
| [06:46:00] | sean33: | same as me |
| [06:47:00] | sean33: | lirc was not fun on fc4 |
| [06:47:00] | sean33: | have you downloaded the lirc source ? |
| [06:48:00] | rav3r: | i yum install lirc-kmdl-$KVER and yum install lirc |
| [06:48:00] | sean33: | there is your first problem |
| [06:49:00] | rav3r: | what's that? |
| [06:49:00] | sean33: | yum remove lirc |
| [06:49:00] | sean33: | get lircd 0.8.1-CVS |
| [06:49:00] | rav3r: | with yum? |
| [06:50:00] | sean33: | do this after removing lirc |
| [06:50:00] | rav3r: | i did the yum remove |
| [06:50:00] | sean33: | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/lirc login |
| [06:50:00] | sean33: | cvs -z8 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/lirc co lirc |
| [06:50:00] | sean33: | password <enter> |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | cd lirc |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | ./autogen.sh |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | ./setup.sh |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | (save and configure) |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | make |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | make install |
| [06:51:00] | sean33: | modprobe lirc_dev |
| [06:52:00] | sean33: | modprobe lirc_imon <- subsitute with the module version for your device |
| [06:52:00] | sean33: | then start lircd |
| [06:52:00] | sean33: | try /usr/bin/irw to test |
| [06:53:00] | rav3r: | ok, cvs said command not found |
| [06:53:00] | sean33: | thats all |
| [06:53:00] | sean33: | try again |
| [06:53:00] | kormoc: | rav3r, you need to install cvs |
| [06:53:00] | rav3r: | yum cvs? |
| [06:54:00] | kormoc: | perhaps |
| [06:54:00] | sean33: | no |
| [06:54:00] | kormoc: | you can try |
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| [06:54:00] | rav3r: | installing now |
| [06:54:00] | rav3r: | it continues to amaze me that every little step in this process is like a huge thing |
| [06:55:00] | sean33: | oh right you dont have csv |
| [06:56:00] | rav3r: | i got the csv |
| [06:56:00] | sean33: | yay |
| [06:56:00] | sean33: | lol |
| [06:56:00] | rav3r: | ./autogen.sh said i dont have autoconf or libtool or automake |
| [06:57:00] | rav3r: | so i need to get those |
| [06:57:00] | sean33: | yep |
| [06:57:00] | sean33: | yum again |
| [06:57:00] | rav3r: | do i need to 'disconnect' first or anything? |
| [06:57:00] | sean33: | disconnect ? |
| [06:57:00] | sean33: | from the csv ? |
| [06:57:00] | rav3r: | yea |
| [06:58:00] | sean33: | nar |
| [06:58:00] | sean33: | its just grabbing a source tree like ftp |
| [07:00:00] | rav3r: | cool |
| [07:01:00] | SqWaw: | rofl <3 gentoo. |
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| [07:02:00] | rav3r: | setup.sh gave me an error, which: no dialog in (/usr/kerberos/sbin/... |
| [07:02:00] | rav3r: | dialog not found |
| [07:08:00] | sean33: | Make sure you have libtool-1.3.3 or higher, autoconf 2.13 or higher and automake 1.5 or higher installed |
| [07:09:00] | sean33: | You must have the kernel source or headers in /usr/src/linux that exactly match your running kernel. |
| [07:10:00] | sean33: | to get the kernel .. i did ... |
| [07:10:00] | sean33: | wget http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/ . . . _FC4.src.rpm |
| [07:10:00] | sean33: | rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4.src.rpm |
| [07:11:00] | sean33: | may want to check : uname -r for your kernel |
| [07:11:00] | sean33: | kernel.devel may work i dont know i just got the whole source |
| [07:12:00] | sean33: | its mainly the headers that are needed |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | SqWaw: exactly!!!! |
| [07:12:00] | SqWaw: | :) |
| [07:12:00] | sean33: | may also have to make some symbolic link to linux in /usr/src |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | SqWaw: btw... what plugins do you use? |
| [07:13:00] | SqWaw: | for myth? |
| [07:13:00] | SqWaw: | all in the svn |
| [07:13:00] | SqWaw: | minus mythweb because i dont want my system cluttered with kde shtuff. |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | not using ebuilds? |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | mythweb is PHP |
| [07:14:00] | SqWaw: | erm... not that |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | mythbrowser is the web browser |
| [07:14:00] | SqWaw: | mythbrowsers |
| [07:14:00] | SqWaw: | yea |
| [07:14:00] | SqWaw: | every few nights i svn up, then make clean and make && make isntall |
| [07:14:00] | SqWaw: | install... |
| [07:15:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [07:15:00] | SqWaw: | you always are blinking? |
| [07:15:00] | kormoc: | from time to time, aye |
| [07:16:00] | Cardoe: | heh |
| [07:17:00] | SqWaw: | Cardoe: do you use confcache at all? |
| [07:17:00] | SqWaw: | by any slim chance.... |
| [07:17:00] | Cardoe: | nope |
| [07:17:00] | Cardoe: | probably should |
| [07:17:00] | kormoc: | I keep wondering bout that myself |
| [07:17:00] | SqWaw: | u just add it to make.conf after emerging? |
| [07:17:00] | kormoc: | is it stable and useful? |
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| [07:18:00] | SqWaw: | it seems all right so far... |
| [07:18:00] | SqWaw: | theres only been 3 revisions |
| [07:18:00] | Cardoe: | released... |
| [07:18:00] | Cardoe: | there's been a bunch of them quiet |
| [07:18:00] | SqWaw: | oO |
| [07:19:00] | rav3r: | when i did rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4.src.rpm, i got error: cannot create %sourcedir /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES |
| [07:19:00] | Cardoe: | SqWaw: it's been in development for several months |
| [07:19:00] | Cardoe: | close to a year |
| [07:19:00] | Cardoe: | it's stalled for a bit though |
| [07:19:00] | SqWaw: | just nothing released to the portage tree |
| [07:19:00] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [07:20:00] | Cardoe: | it only recently hit the tree |
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| [07:20:00] | SqWaw: | true... |
| [07:20:00] | Cardoe: | 2 months & 7 days ago it was included |
| [07:20:00] | Cardoe: | not what you call a long time |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | either way |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | I'm heading to bed |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | Gotta get up early |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | and drive down at meet up with my girl |
| [07:21:00] | SqWaw: | Good night |
| [07:21:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | good night |
| [07:21:00] | kormoc: | enjoy! |
| [07:21:00] | SqWaw: | Im getting my car soon :) |
| [07:21:00] | SqWaw: | scion tC |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: new snapshots tomorrow or Monday |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | SqWaw: nice |
| [07:21:00] | kormoc: | yay |
| [07:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: basically whenever I get home |
| [07:21:00] | SqWaw: | snaps of myth, yah |
| [07:22:00] | rav3r: | sean33: and ideas? |
| [07:25:00] | kormoc: | niceness |
| [07:26:00] | rav3r: | kormoc? |
| [07:27:00] | kormoc: | rav3r, not really, I don't use fedora |
| [07:27:00] | rav3r: | what are you running? |
| [07:28:00] | sean33: | what ? |
| [07:28:00] | rav3r: | when i did rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.14–1.1656_FC4.src.rpm, i got error: cannot create %sourcedir /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES |
| [07:28:00] | kormoc: | rav3r, I use gentoo |
| [07:28:00] | rav3r: | ah |
| [07:28:00] | sean33: | try ls -al /usr/src/ |
| [07:29:00] | sean33: | do u have a redhat directory ? are you root ? |
| [07:29:00] | rav3r: | i am root, i just se a kernels directory |
| [07:30:00] | sean33: | yea just add a redhat directory it should be there |
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| [07:31:00] | sean33: | there are a few other things you need to do to properly install the kernal source , but i didnt write them down |
| [07:32:00] | sean33: | there is a fedora howto on installing a kernal source that I used |
| [07:32:00] | rav3r: | ok that seemed to work |
| [07:32:00] | sean33: | you should end up with a /usr/src/linux sim linked to the source directory linux-2.6.14 |
| [07:33:00] | sean33: | i will look for the info for u |
| [07:35:00] | sean33: | how do i record without sceduling it |
| [07:35:00] | rav3r: | what do you mean sim linked to the source directory? |
| [07:35:00] | sean33: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 22 22:35 linux -> linux-2.6.14 |
| [07:36:00] | rav3r: | :-/ |
| [07:36:00] | sean33: | simlinked umm "ln -s linux-2.6.14 linux " i think |
| [07:37:00] | rav3r: | perhaps it's too late in the evening for me to follow |
| [07:37:00] | rav3r: | simlinked? |
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| [07:37:00] | sean33: | man ln |
| [07:37:00] | arnducky: | t-utils tools --- help! |
| [07:38:00] | arnducky: | I'm concerned I might *possibly* have a rootkit, or at least broken net-utils on this host — help. |
| [07:38:00] | sean33: | yes symbolic linked |
| [07:38:00] | arnducky: | ifconfig is behaving VERY strange |
| [07:39:00] | sean33: | arnduck thats nice :) any qusteions related to mythtv ? |
| [07:39:00] | rav3r: | oooooh, that seemed to help |
| [07:40:00] | sean33: | rav3r ? |
| [07:41:00] | rav3r: | no, im mistaken, still same error |
| [07:41:00] | rav3r: | which: no dialog.... |
| [07:42:00] | arnducky: | has anyone seen ifconfig report IANA private IP addresses on publuc (ISP DHCP controlled) interfaces and keep working? Also, has anyone seen it reconfigure itself? Two of my interfaces are supposed to be manually disabled, and only a private IP is supposed to bind. After a reboot, my netwrok config chnaged without me doing anything to change it? Could a dist-upgrade do thise (I know it shouldn't but has anyone ever heard |
| [07:42:00] | arnducky: | of something like this). |
| [07:42:00] | arnducky: | Feedback, anyone? |
| [07:42:00] | sean33: | rav3r ? what you doing ? |
| [07:43:00] | sean33: | arnducky , yea heres some feed back find a channel related to security ? |
| [07:43:00] | kormoc: | arnducky, a dist upgrade could do that, and likely would if thier core network config changed |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | arnducky: in cas you haven't figured it out, this is the #mythtv-users channel. |
| [07:43:00] | mchou: | case* |
| [07:43:00] | kormoc: | arnducky, but, it's more a question for your distro specifically |
| [07:44:00] | sean33: | kormoc , agreed |
| [07:44:00] | rav3r: | im trying ./setup.sh |
| [07:44:00] | sean33: | have you finished installing the linux source ? |
| [07:45:00] | rav3r: | yes, i think so |
| [07:45:00] | rav3r: | i rpm'd the rpm |
| [07:45:00] | arnducky: | sean33, why don't you start one you sarcastic PoS. This is #linuxhelp. I'm running Linx; I'm aregualr in this channel, and I know we deal with any and every sort of issue here that pertains to lLinux (as well as some that don't ). SO please get a life (Why don't you find a channel dedicated to trolling and provoking people). |
| [07:46:00] | arnducky: | kormoc, thanks — that makes me feel a little less 'insecure' |
| [07:46:00] | arnducky: | I'm checking som stuff from a root console RN |
| [07:46:00] | kormoc: | arnducky, actually, this is not #linuxhelp, this is #mythtv-users |
| [07:47:00] | arnducky: | OOOPS |
| [07:47:00] | sean33: | arnducky your a fuck wit |
| [07:47:00] | arnducky: | sean33, I'm TRULY SORRY |
| [07:47:00] | arnducky: | abuse me as much as you like, if it make you feel better |
| [07:47:00] | arnducky: | (today only — heh) |
| [07:47:00] | sean33: | arnducky u started the abuse lol |
| [07:48:00] | sean33: | anyways what ever .. |
| [07:48:00] | arnducky: | Well, I didn't use any 4-letter words, (but I was wrong, 'so who's counting') — heh |
| [07:49:00] | sean33: | rav3r , yea you need to install the linux source properly |
| [07:49:00] | arnducky: | I do have some mythtv questions too, but now I think I'll have to save 'em until people no present forget my nickname — heh |
| [07:49:00] | arnducky is now known as paperbaghead | |
| [07:50:00] | sean33: | arnducky dont worry about it |
| [07:50:00] | sean33: | arnducky im not |
| [07:50:00] | paperbaghead: | thanks |
| [07:51:00] | paperbaghead: | pardon me, again, sean33, but you're not what? |
| [07:51:00] | paperbaghead: | =o? |
| [07:51:00] | rav3r: | sean33: what did i do wrong? |
| [07:51:00] | sean33: | rav3r , yea you need to install the linux source properly .. go into /usr/src/redhat/source |
| [07:52:00] | eiggirC: | oh god – what kind of spatt did I wake up to? |
| [07:52:00] | sean33: | lol nothing |
| [07:53:00] | sean33: | go back to sleep :) |
| [07:53:00] | eiggirC: | -grin- fine... back to sleep for me |
| [07:53:00] | sean33: | lol |
| [07:53:00] | eiggirC: | play nice ladies |
| [07:53:00] | paperbaghead: | (BTW, i've had problems with X-chat switching the window sessions without an explicity command ever since I let dist-upgrade touch it. I only dist upgrade stuff for security and when I'm running devel branches of ditros. It tends to break many thinhgs even with stable. Hopefully MythTV isn't like that too. |
| [07:53:00] | eiggirC: | or I'll haaavvvvve tuhhhhhh zzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [07:54:00] | kormoc: | paperbaghead, that's more a distro issue, as my xchat hasn't shown anything like that, so likely it's more your distro puts out broken packages |
| [07:55:00] | paperbaghead: | SO, I'm pretty sure I started typing in #linuxhelp (on a different network) and the windo w switched without a proper mouse or keyboard command the insert key (typeover edit mode) turns itself on without being pressed to in X-chat. Which leasd me to a MythTV question — what about the chat plugin, do mythtv users like it much? |
| [07:56:00] | kormoc: | i didn't even know there was a chat plugin |
| [07:56:00] | paperbaghead: | I jsut did a bloatware install from packages — not only dependencies, but every recommneded and even 'suggested' component — I pulled em all with apt-get. |
| [07:57:00] | paperbaghead: | THere are like 20 pieces besides the main component! |
| [07:57:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:57:00] | kormoc: | this is why I use gentoo, it breaks a ton less then anything else |
| [07:58:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: if you used apt-get you'd know there was a chat module |
| [07:58:00] | eiggirC: | :) |
| [07:59:00] | kormoc: | got a website? |
| [08:00:00] | sean33: | rav3r , yea you need to install the linux source properly -> http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc4.html#kernelsrc |
| [08:04:00] | sean33: | rav once the source is installed properly it should run , i have to go now but will be back latter.. |
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| [08:10:00] | rav3r: | thanks for all your help |
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| [08:11:00] | Ediehow: | is it possible, even though it says dma is on for hard drive/dvd drive, that it is not working? |
| [08:21:00] | xvalentinex: | Is it possible to add additional visualizations to MythMusic? |
| [08:22:00] | t00m: | or delete existing ones cause they suck |
| [08:26:00] | laga: | c'mon, the gears vis is lovely |
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| [08:39:00] | dtm: | hi all. |
| [08:39:00] | dtm: | Captain_Murdoch: so there is currently no way to automatically create mencoder EDLs based on commercial detection, right? |
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| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | help |
| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | Can't open file: 'videosource.MYI' |
| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | getting that |
| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | when trying to start backend |
| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | Database error was: |
| [09:01:00] | Ediehow: | Can't open file: 'videosource.MYI' (errno: 126) |
| [09:02:00] | Ediehow: | mythconverg.videosource |
| [09:02:00] | Ediehow: | error : Can't open file: 'videosource.MYI' (errno: 126) |
| [09:02:00] | Ediehow: | mythconverg.videotypes OK |
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| [09:19:00] | sean33: | do doo im back |
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| [09:26:00] | jshriver_: | greetings :) |
| [09:26:00] | jshriver_: | where are the docs? |
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| [09:26:00] | laga: | mythtv.org |
| [09:26:00] | jshriver_: | I just did a fresh install of debian on my new box.. and grabbed the source tarballs.. trying to figure out if there are any libs I should install... let me read |
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| [09:27:00] | jshriver_: | btw I talked with someone here the other day about a MX 5200 128m AGP card... does the NVidia drivers package also setup video out... or do I have to do that manually? |
| [09:28:00] | jshriver_: | I've never used nvidia drivers before.. compiling the kernel as we speak |
| [09:29:00] | Freman: | hey, I've got my schedule setup to record five mins before, and five mins after each show.. then have 3 shows right after each other set up on this shedule... they conflict but are on the same chan... anyone know what'll happen if I force all three shows?? |
| [09:30:00] | jshriver_: | no idea sorry new here..g'luck though |
| [09:33:00] | Nirto: | so don' |
| [09:33:00] | Nirto: | so don't respond |
| [09:33:00] | Nirto: | jesus christ |
| [09:34:00] | jshriver_: | ? sometimes it's nice to let people know that they aren't being completely ignored |
| [09:34:00] | laga: | jshriver_: BTW, what debian are you running? sarge? |
| [09:34:00] | jshriver_: | aye |
| [09:34:00] | jshriver_: | latest |
| [09:35:00] | laga: | jshriver_: well, you could install the mythtv packages from marillat |
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| [09:35:00] | ** Freman scratches head... I realy don't want to miss any of these three... but it would be so danmed anoying to miss the last 5 mins 2... ** | |
| [09:35:00] | jshriver_: | ? URL or I can google it |
| [09:35:00] | jshriver_: | brb |
| [09:35:00] | Gigawatts: | ok, i got a question about mythtv |
| [09:35:00] | Freman: | tv here sux... I got one chan that consistantly runs half an hour slow... and most of the others swing between 5 min fast and 5 min slow... |
| [09:36:00] | Freman: | the machine has constant ntp sync |
| [09:37:00] | Gigawatts: | ive got a box running windows by my tv, and want to run mythTV, what would be the best way to get it running with out completly repartitioning and formating my hdd? |
| [09:37:00] | Gigawatts: | im kind of a noobie to linux, messed around with it a bit, but not much |
| [09:38:00] | Gigawatts: | any ideas? |
| [09:40:00] | Dibblah: | Easiest way is to back it up and then repartition. |
| [09:40:00] | Gigawatts: | hmm, i was afraid you would say that |
| [09:41:00] | Dibblah: | There is a way to install 'over' fat32 (not easily NTFS), but it just adds another layer ot "things to go wrong" :( |
| [09:41:00] | Gigawatts: | right |
| [09:41:00] | Gigawatts: | how about like a qemu or something of that sort? |
| [09:42:00] | Dibblah: | Other way, if you have a network card that does network boot and a server of some type (One of those 'storage routers' would do) is to boot over the network. |
| [09:42:00] | Gigawatts: | yeah, i was trying to figure out how to do that the other day, but not sure how to set it up |
| [09:43:00] | Dibblah: | But again, that's just another layer. Easiest way to start is just to get a small HD and swap it out. |
| [09:43:00] | Dibblah: | What distribution are you 'used' to? |
| [09:44:00] | Gigawatts: | ive messed with DSL the most, but also ubuntu |
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| [09:45:00] | Dibblah: | Of course, the other way is http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| [09:45:00] | Gigawatts: | and the xbox version i saw on the site, im assuming thats just a front end for the box with the tunner in it, right? |
| [09:45:00] | Dibblah: | But... There's 3 important things you've got to remember when resizing your drives. |
| [09:45:00] | Dibblah: | Backup, backup. |
| [09:45:00] | Dibblah: | Oh. And backup. |
| [09:45:00] | Gigawatts: | yeah, no kidding |
| [09:51:00] | Gigawatts: | the box actually has 2 hdds in it, so i would use the second box for storing any recorded shows, so how much space would u recomend i make on the first drive for booting the linux distro? |
| [09:51:00] | Gigawatts: | oh, the second drive is fat32, first drive is ntfs |
| [09:54:00] | Freman: | So, no-one knows how myth might behave with my sheduling conflict? |
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| [10:14:00] | Gigawatts: | any good websites to look at showing me how to do the network boot option you mentioned, Dibblah? |
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| [10:17:00] | Freman: | alright... nother question while you crunch my first one... everything to do with mythtv is running an hour fast? |
| [10:18:00] | Gigawatts: | timezone or DST maybe? |
| [10:19:00] | Freman: | timezone is set to +1000 which is correct... where would it be finding dst settings? |
| [10:19:00] | Gigawatts: | i dunno, that was just one of those stupid sugestions |
| [10:19:00] | Gigawatts: | im out |
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| [10:40:00] | Jusk1: | Freman: when mythtv has a scheduling conflict, it'll record shows with a higher priority in preference to others. If they're the same priority, I think ones that are scheduled earlier take precedence |
| [10:41:00] | Jusk1: | it'll no doubt be mentioned in the FM |
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| [10:47:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm I'm having problems installing mythtv...I think it's in qt3...can someone help me with that on debian? |
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| [10:51:00] | Freman: | Jusk1: what happens if I force recoding all 3 of them tho |
| [10:51:00] | Jusk1: | Freman: you can't |
| [10:51:00] | Freman: | they're right after each other on the same chan |
| [10:51:00] | Freman: | it didn't stop me from forcing them... |
| [10:51:00] | Jusk1: | you can only record as many shows at once as you have tuners for |
| [10:52:00] | Freman: | but they're all on the same chan (c: |
| [10:52:00] | Jusk1: | ah right... |
| [10:52:00] | Jusk1: | so you've set say, 3 shows to start recording early and end late |
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| [10:53:00] | Freman: | yep |
| [10:53:00] | Jusk1: | what you _should_ do is set the global option to start early & end late, rather than do it on specific schedules |
| [10:53:00] | Freman: | cos we can't tust chan 10 |
| [10:53:00] | Freman: | hehe, I havn't found the global options (c: |
| [10:53:00] | Jusk1: | heh.. you can't trust _any_ broadcaster... American Dad wasn't shown at _all_ last weekend |
| [10:54:00] | Freman: | chan 10 swings 5 mins either way... |
| [10:54:00] | Jusk1: | do they have advertising? |
| [10:54:00] | Freman: | yeh.. heaps |
| [10:54:00] | Freman: | I think it's the news bullitons that put it out tho... |
| [10:55:00] | Freman: | they happen the same time every day – they might as well be scheduled |
| [10:55:00] | Jusk1: | odd.. you'd think if the advertiser pays for a slot he'll be grumpy when his ads aren't shown at the right time |
| [10:55:00] | Jusk1: | commercial channels tend to be very tight |
| [10:56:00] | Freman: | + or – 5 mins don't bother the advertisers so long as it's shown in the show they ask for... |
| [10:56:00] | Jusk1: | yeah maybe |
| [10:56:00] | Freman: | I can't find the global settings for +/- times is it in the chan editor? |
| [10:57:00] | Jusk1: | I was thinking about this the other day... the power companies get advance warning about the timings of adverts |
| [10:57:00] | Jusk1: | Freman: think it's in mythtv-setup |
| [10:58:00] | Freman: | yeh, I'm in there.. can't find it... |
| [11:01:00] | Freman: | there... |
| [11:01:00] | Freman: | utilities/setup, setup, tv settings, general |
| [11:02:00] | Jusk1: | yup |
| [11:02:00] | Freman: | I wonder if that effects already scheduled recordings |
| [11:02:00] | Jusk1: | been so long since I set it... couldn't remember where it was |
| [11:02:00] | Jusk1: | Freman: probably not |
| [11:04:00] | ** Freman reschedules ** | |
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| [11:10:00] | Coume: | erm I'm wondering if my tuner is not pal as welll... |
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| [11:12:00] | [Elvis]: | I'm missign a lot of perl stuff when trying to compile myhthtv...is that a common problem? |
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| [11:15:00] | xvalentinex: | does the lircrc file go in the mythtv user dir (var/lib/mythtv) or in the local users dir (/home/whatever)? |
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| [11:18:00] | Jusk1: | xvalentinex: neither |
| [11:18:00] | xvalentinex: | /etc/? |
| [11:19:00] | Jusk1: | goes in the user's home directory, but in the .mythtv directory within there |
| [11:19:00] | xvalentinex: | ok, so /home/whatever/.mythtv/? |
| [11:20:00] | Jusk1: | yup |
| [11:20:00] | xvalentinex: | and does that one override all others? |
| [11:21:00] | xvalentinex: | I guess what I'm asking is, if /home/valentine/.lircrc has some mplayer commands, will they work after mythtv is loaded? |
| [11:21:00] | xvalentinex: | or should I add the mplayer sections to my /home/whatever/.mythtv/lircrc? |
| [11:23:00] | Jusk1: | I can't remember |
| [11:24:00] | Jusk1: | I think, that it's okay to have the mplayer sections in the main mythtv one |
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| [11:24:00] | Jusk1: | not the end of the world if it doesn't work that way |
| [11:25:00] | xvalentinex: | sure, some simple testing will let me know, thanks for your help Jusk1 |
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| [11:26:00] | Juski: | better |
| [11:26:00] | flithm: | hey everyone... is there a way to change the default permissions mythbackend sets on the nuv files it creates? |
| [11:28:00] | Juski: | flithm: should be no need to do that |
| [11:28:00] | Juski: | mine are all created as root and I have no problems |
| [11:29:00] | flithm: | Juski, do you have a separate backend and frontend machine? I used to and it worked fine for me, until I switched to a single machine. Apparently when you have a single machine the frontend tries to use the nuv files locally, so things like deleting recordings no longer works! (I can see the permission errors in the frontend's debug output) |
| [11:30:00] | Juski: | eew |
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| [11:31:00] | Juski: | the thing is, you _could_ run mythbackend as the mythtv user, but I'm not sure if that'd be a good idea or not |
| [11:32:00] | ** Coume got his damned remotre working again... ** | |
| [11:32:00] | Juski: | maybe running mythfrontend as superuser would be better |
| [11:32:00] | Juski: | morning Coume |
| [11:33:00] | Coume: | morning justin, how r u? |
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| [11:33:00] | Juski: | Coume: tired.. mrs J woke me too damn early _again_ |
| [11:33:00] | flithm: | yeah, I thought of that but it causes other problems, like then the users needs rw access to the /var/run/pid directory. Hmm maybe you're right about running as SU. I wonder if it'd be enough to suid the mythfrontend binary |
| [11:33:00] | Coume: | Juski, lol the joy of having a mrs :) |
| [11:34:00] | Juski: | wouldn't care, but it ws only to tell me bad news |
| [11:34:00] | Juski: | which turned out not to be bad news after all |
| [11:34:00] | Juski: | hmpph |
| [11:34:00] | Juski: | btw we got a ticket from a new moderator request |
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| [11:40:00] | Freman: | Mythtv would realy appreciate a gig of ram huh |
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| [11:42:00] | Freman: | I've upped my cpu speed, the hdd's are all dmaed, and heaps of free space only thing left to do is throw some more ram at it... |
| [11:43:00] | Juski: | Freman: my frontend ticks over with 512MB |
| [11:43:00] | Juski: | backend has the same but used to work on less... 512 was the smallest I had lying around |
| [11:43:00] | Freman: | every now and then it just stalls for a few seconds |
| [11:44:00] | Freman: | I've got the backend and front end on the same machine |
| [11:44:00] | Juski: | I doubt it's running out of RAM somehow |
| [11:44:00] | Juski: | but it depends what else you're using the machine for |
| [11:45:00] | Freman: | apache running irc stats... |
| [11:45:00] | Juski: | wooo.. looks like in series 5 of '24' I get to see something I wanted to happen ages ago ;-) |
| [11:45:00] | Freman: | it only happens in livetv |
| [11:45:00] | Juski: | Freman: you got a PVR card or framegrabber? |
| [11:46:00] | Freman: | probably framegrabber |
| [11:46:00] | flithm: | anyone know what would cause mythbackend to fail to create recordings (file size is always 0), but live tv works fine!? |
| [11:46:00] | Juski: | so it's a v4l device |
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| [11:46:00] | Freman: | it's taken me 3 years to get this working (my schedule hasn't helped) |
| [11:46:00] | Juski: | that's rough ;-) |
| [11:46:00] | Freman: | yeh... Leadtek winfast 2000xp delux |
| [11:46:00] | jvs: | where does mythtdvd usually place imported dvds? |
| [11:46:00] | Juski: | hmm I'd go with the more ram option then |
| [11:46:00] | Freman: | on a asus a7n8x delux... |
| [11:47:00] | Freman: | and the ati x800 pro |
| [11:47:00] | Juski: | jvs: where you tell it to in the dvd ripping settings |
| [11:47:00] | Freman: | the ati was one set of headaches... the asus another... the winfast actualy worked out of the box (c: |
| [11:47:00] | jvs: | Juski, do you mean the temp directory is also the dir where the files stay? |
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| [11:49:00] | Juski: | jvs: I'd guess it just puts em in the mythvideo directory... I only have 1GHz CPU on my frontend so don't use it for ripping |
| [11:49:00] | jvs: | I ripped one dvd, the first time over night |
| [11:50:00] | jvs: | and now I dunno where it is 8) |
| [11:50:00] | jvs: | I also thought it would be in the mythvideo dir |
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| [11:54:00] | Juski: | jvs: I dunno.. maybe mythdvd expects you to copy the resultant file into the mythvideo directory |
| [11:54:00] | jvs: | Juski, whereever it is... :) |
| [11:55:00] | Juski: | have you looked in the mythvideo directory? |
| [11:55:00] | Juski: | as in.. gone into the videomanager? |
| [11:55:00] | jvs: | yeah |
| [11:55:00] | Juski: | well other than that I don't know |
| [11:56:00] | jvs: | "That's interesting" (Cpt. Jack Sparrow ) |
| [11:57:00] | coffee88: | jvs: find / -size +1000k or similar? |
| [11:58:00] | jvs: | coffee88, I'll try |
| [11:58:00] | flithm: | hey everyone, I can't seem to get mythtv to record... live tv works fine, but recording just creates nuv files of size 0!? I don't see any error or indication of anything gone wrong in the backend logs. Anyone got any ideas for me? |
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| [12:01:00] | flithm: | this is pretty irritating... it was all working before, makes no sense why it doesn't work anymore! |
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| [12:03:00] | Juski: | disk full? |
| [12:04:00] | flithm: | nah got 50 gigs free |
| [12:04:00] | Juski: | on the partition where the recordings are stored.. how much there or is that the same? |
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| [12:05:00] | flithm: | yeah that's where there's 50 gigs free. |
| [12:05:00] | flithm: | livetv works and the ring buffer is stored on the same partition |
| [12:06:00] | Juski: | you _sure_ there's nothing in the log? |
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| [12:08:00] | flithm: | http://pastebin.com/528602 |
| [12:09:00] | flithm: | yeah it looks like it thinks its recording |
| [12:09:00] | Freman: | I need another tuner...\ |
| [12:09:00] | flithm: | I've got the verbosity of the log level set to "all" is there a way to increase it again maybe I'm just not seeing the error? |
| [12:10:00] | flithm: | hmmm I have an idea... livetv uses "livetv" profile to record... but recording uses "default" maybe it's a problem with the profile? |
| [12:13:00] | flithm: | yep that's it |
| [12:13:00] | flithm: | when I record using livetv profile it works fine! |
| [12:13:00] | flithm: | how weird! |
| [12:14:00] | Jusk1: | so look at the 'default' profile like I said earlier |
| [12:14:00] | Jusk1: | Juski: maybe the recording profile 'default' is messed up |
| [12:14:00] | flithm: | did you say that earlier!? what the hell is wrong with me I don't remember that... ahaha |
| [12:17:00] | flithm: | alright all the issues are worked out... |
| [12:18:00] | flithm: | thanks for the help Jusk1 I appreciate it even if I did ignore it :) |
| [12:18:00] | Jusk1: | np |
| [12:18:00] | laga: | what's the easiest way to create a dvd off my mythtv recordings? |
| [12:19:00] | Jusk1: | laga: now there's a question |
| [12:19:00] | Jusk1: | get a dvd recorder & play recordings into it ;-) |
| [12:19:00] | flithm: | heh |
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| [12:19:00] | laga: | Jusk1: hehe |
| [12:20:00] | flithm: | laga, use nuvtools to export to mpeg2 maybe... then use something like dvdauthor (or one of its frontends) to create a dvd to burn? |
| [12:21:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm can someone help me with http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/error.txt |
| [12:21:00] | [Elvis]: | I get these errors while making mythtv |
| [12:21:00] | laga: | sounds good. i've just installed qdvdauthor but i still need to wrap my head around it, i believe. |
| [12:21:00] | [Elvis]: | I think there's something wrong with qt...but I don't know how to fix it.. |
| [12:21:00] | [Elvis]: | $QTDIR remains empty |
| [12:22:00] | Jusk1: | looks like someone didn't follow the build instructions |
| [12:22:00] | coffee88: | laga: I've been using dvdstyler to build the iso. Basic, but not too hard to get your head around. |
| [12:22:00] | stamppot: | Hi guys, question: I have extremely stuttery video, coming from my PVR-150... |
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| [12:22:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 well I did the method which was said in the manual |
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| [12:22:00] | flithm: | laga, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709 <-- tutorial on burning avi->dvd with menus... you can likely skip parts of it, but some may be relevant |
| [12:23:00] | stamppot: | I've looked at all the usual culprits: DMA is turned on, latest IVTV drivers (0.4.2) but nothing seems to help |
| [12:23:00] | laga: | coffee88, flithm: thanks |
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| [12:23:00] | stamppot: | There is another tuner-card in the box, but it is not activated in MythTV (not in the card-config). |
| [12:23:00] | coffee88: | laga: What card are you recording from? |
| [12:23:00] | laga: | coffee88: pvr 250 |
| [12:23:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 I just don't know how to get $QTDIR automatically filled |
| [12:24:00] | stamppot: | Any pointers as to what else it might be? I've searched the lists but so far have come up empty |
| [12:24:00] | flithm: | stamppot, questions: two machines (front and backend) or one? nvidia card and latest driver? compiled with opengl support? using deinterlacing? is your cpu maxed when playing back? does it happen during livetv and recordings? |
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| [12:25:00] | stamppot: | flithm... I think you've described me... |
| [12:25:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis] that's what the EXPORT command is handy for ;-) |
| [12:25:00] | stamppot: | Only 1 box, not a split fE/BE |
| [12:25:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah but when I reboot Jusk1 will it still be in there? |
| [12:25:00] | fryfrog: | tampon, what happens when you record some mpeg2 manually and then play it back? any issues? |
| [12:25:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis] probably not |
| [12:26:00] | flithm: | stamppot, okay... first of all, if you've got an nvidia card and the latest driver you must disable opengl support otherwise your cpu will max out when playing back and cause jerky video. |
| [12:26:00] | [Elvis]: | so there must be a way too keep it in there? |
| [12:26:00] | flithm: | stamppot, this means recompiling all of mythtv |
| [12:26:00] | stamppot: | OK... Will re-emerge with a different USE-flag then... |
| [12:26:00] | flithm: | stamppot, yeah just put -opengl in /etc/portage/package.use |
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| [12:26:00] | flithm: | stamppot, for mythtv of course :) |
| [12:27:00] | stamppot: | USE="-opengl" emerge mythtv works as well... :) |
| [12:28:00] | t00m: | what do i have to emerge to get inetd running? |
| [12:28:00] | stamppot: | But indeed, it was maxing the |
| [12:28:00] | flithm: | stamppot, yeah that'll work too, but if you upgrade and forget about -opengl it'll recompile with +opengl again |
| [12:28:00] | stamppot: | That's true. Although I hope that this will be fixed... |
| [12:28:00] | flithm: | wouldn't that be nice :) |
| [12:28:00] | stamppot: | What's the issue with OpenGL then? |
| [12:29:00] | stamppot: | And why has it cropped up with the latest drivers? |
| [12:29:00] | flithm: | I think it's a problem with the latest nvdia driver. maybe they'll fix it in the next release. |
| [12:29:00] | flithm: | or maybe it's a "feature" :) |
| [12:29:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 I added /usr/share/qt3/bin to $PATH and /usr/share/qt3 to $QTDIR .. |
| [12:29:00] | [Elvis]: | .but I still get errors |
| [12:29:00] | stamppot: | Hmmm... So much for me unattendedly emerging world... :) |
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| [12:30:00] | Freman: | anyone done anything with this tuner? http://www.hometheatrepac.com.au/product_info . . . ducts_id=178 |
| [12:30:00] | whyz: | hello.. anyone knows how to circumvent the "feature" that gives you a 403 when downloading >2gb files from apache? (can't look at the NUV's via mythweb) |
| [12:30:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis]: do you even have the QT source? |
| [12:30:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm Juski that's what I'm also wondering about :P |
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| [12:31:00] | [Elvis]: | I did install libqt3-dev |
| [12:31:00] | t00m: | ok, found it |
| [12:33:00] | stamppot: | One other thing: whenever I start mythtv-setup, or mythfrontend, it loads the theme (prescaling images, etc) and then there is a pause of at least 10 seconds before it shows the menu... |
| [12:33:00] | t00m: | there is no such thing as libftpd under gentoo isn't it? |
| [12:33:00] | stamppot: | Is that normal? I don't seem to recall this happening on my previous installations... |
| [12:35:00] | stamppot: | t00m: what do you mean with libftpd? |
| [12:36:00] | stamppot: | t00m: there are millions of ftpd's available under gentoo, what do you need? |
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| [12:38:00] | Freman: | Jusk1: thanks for your assistance before |
| [12:38:00] | Freman: | bed time now |
| [12:40:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis] you also need to have the qt mysql dev libraries |
| [12:40:00] | Jusk1: | as in the mysql stuff for qt |
| [12:41:00] | t00m: | stamppot: i was remembering the good old bsd which came with a ftpd in the base which could be enabled over inetd (also in the base) |
| [12:41:00] | t00m: | now I installed pureftpd |
| [12:43:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 that didn't help |
| [12:44:00] | [Elvis]: | I'm kinda lost here.. |
| [12:44:00] | [Elvis]: | since I installed mythtv like 5 times...this is the first time I get theses errors |
| [12:45:00] | Jusk1: | why have you had to install it 5 times? surely once is enough? |
| [12:45:00] | [Elvis]: | no I mean |
| [12:45:00] | [Elvis]: | reinstalled it 5 times with complete system install |
| [12:45:00] | Jusk1: | that's what I meant |
| [12:46:00] | [Elvis]: | it appears that when I changed from ext2 to ext3 it messed up? |
| [12:46:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [12:46:00] | fryfrog: | <3 glftpd :) |
| [12:46:00] | [Elvis]: | but I guess that can'tbe it |
| [12:47:00] | [Elvis]: | this is so weird |
| [12:49:00] | stamppot: | t00m: try emerge proftpd.. |
| [12:49:00] | coffee88: | Anyone know if it's worth bothering with ad detection for UK tv? I read it wasn't really worth it, so don't bother at the moment.... |
| [12:49:00] | stamppot: | t00m: was that ftpd or tftpd? The latter sounds more logical... |
| [12:50:00] | stamppot: | t00m: sorry, didn't see you last message... |
| [12:50:00] | t00m: | :) |
| [12:51:00] | stamppot: | So, regarding my delay before the initial menus show up: anyone? |
| [12:51:00] | stamppot: | I'm thinking network name resolving here, but I'm not sure... |
| [12:51:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 could the problem lay in switching from ext2 to ext3 ? |
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| [12:53:00] | Jusk1: | eh? |
| [12:53:00] | Jusk1: | how would changing FS affect this? |
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| [12:53:00] | [Elvis]: | I got no clue...but I never had this before.. |
| [12:53:00] | [Elvis]: | :( |
| [12:54:00] | [Elvis]: | if you have any suggestions...I'll gladly try them :) |
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| [12:55:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis] did you re-run configure after exporting $QTDIR ? |
| [12:56:00] | Jusk1: | and qmake ? |
| [12:56:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm no |
| [12:56:00] | [Elvis]: | :P |
| [12:56:00] | Jusk1: | and while we're at it.. what distro? |
| [12:56:00] | [Elvis]: | debian stable |
| [12:57:00] | [Elvis]: | I did ./reconfigure and qmake mythtv.pro |
| [12:57:00] | [Elvis]: | but still same results |
| [12:57:00] | [Elvis]: | any clue how I can see if I installed all the qt3 components? |
| [12:58:00] | ** Tommck knew Elvis wasn't dead ** | |
| [12:58:00] | ** Jusk1 wonders why so many people lacking linux experience choose debian ** | |
| [12:58:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [12:59:00] | laga: | [Elvis]: why don't you just install marillat's packages? |
| [12:59:00] | fryfrog: | Yar, he should have picked gentoo... right?!?! |
| [12:59:00] | Jusk1: | it's _piss easy_ with Ubuntu |
| [12:59:00] | Jusk1: | dead easy with Gentoo, too |
| [12:59:00] | fryfrog: | GENT00 F0R3V3R!@!?!?!!11! |
| [12:59:00] | Tommck: | is piss better than dead? |
| [12:59:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm going crazy here :(I |
| [13:00:00] | fryfrog: | its *relativly* easy with gentoo, *after* you get everything else going :) |
| [13:00:00] | fryfrog: | [Elvis]: install Ubuntu and start over. If you like debian for some reason, you'll like Ubuntu more |
| [13:00:00] | fryfrog: | and if you arne't attached to .deb based, might go for Fedora Core which is what teh bestest guide is written for |
| [13:00:00] | Jusk1: | I keep hearing stuff about the mythtv packages not being kept up to date for debian |
| [13:01:00] | laga: | Jusk1: marillat has 0.18.1 packages for sid and sarge, iirc |
| [13:01:00] | [Elvis]: | Jusk1 that's kinda right...they only got it for unstable I believe |
| [13:01:00] | fryfrog: | and it'd be especially true in debian *stable* :) |
| [13:01:00] | ** Tommck has never used a mythtv "package" ** | |
| [13:01:00] | ** Tommck thinks real men compile from source ;) ** | |
| [13:01:00] | fryfrog: | I use an svn ebuild script :) |
| [13:01:00] | Jusk1: | anyone can use the sources if they have all the build-deps |
| [13:01:00] | fryfrog: | omg, i'm such a real man then! |
| [13:01:00] | fryfrog: | gentoo is totally from teh source, luke! |
| [13:02:00] | Jusk1: | now now.. less of the distro religious bigotry |
| [13:02:00] | fryfrog: | bigotry? |
| [13:02:00] | ** Tommck remembers that Jusk1 started the distro discussion... ** | |
| [13:02:00] | Jusk1: | linux would be much further ahead if it weren't for all the posturing about which is 'best' |
| [13:02:00] | Jusk1: | imho |
| [13:02:00] | coffee88: | fryfrog: And us real men just grow old waiting for it to finish compiling...... |
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| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | no no, real men install ccache :) |
| [13:03:00] | Tommck: | what's ccache? |
| [13:03:00] | Jusk1: | Tommck: I just wondered why people choose distros that they lack the experience to use, when there are better ones for _them_ |
| [13:03:00] | fryfrog: | compiler cache, if you compile source a lot its very nice |
| [13:03:00] | [Elvis]: | well I'm gonna try ext2...see if it changes anything...cuz this is just plain weird |
| [13:03:00] | Tommck: | isn't that what .o files are for? |
| [13:03:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis]: if you think that changing the filesystem type will improve things, you are very much mistaken |
| [13:04:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah prolly Jusk1 but I reinstalled my system last week with ext2...no problems |
| [13:04:00] | Jusk1: | what's with all the frickin reinstalling? |
| [13:04:00] | [Elvis]: | I try it this week with ext3..and suddenly I cna't compile it? doing the same steps? |
| [13:04:00] | wole: | elvis: ext2 is ok till you crash... |
| [13:05:00] | [Elvis]: | I know, I just wanna try it...see if it changes anything |
| [13:05:00] | [Elvis]: | cuz that would be plain weird |
| [13:05:00] | Jusk1: | if you're going down that route you may aswell try knoppmyth instead |
| [13:05:00] | Tommck: | any Plutohome users in here? |
| [13:05:00] | fryfrog: | I use with ext3, reiserfs and xfs |
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| [13:06:00] | fryfrog: | no problemmo, okie dokie |
| [13:06:00] | Jusk1: | I'd never used ubuntu before, but getting mythtv working took less than two hours from an empty hard drive |
| [13:06:00] | Jusk1: | and I followed a howto |
| [13:06:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: .o files are compiled objects. ccache just saves compiled items and if it notices them being compiled again, instead of doing the work it just serves up the cache. like a proxy server, but for teh c++. First compile of QT might take 2 hours, second compile only 10–15min |
| [13:07:00] | fryfrog: | i wish my lappy's ati chipset were a smidge better supported |
| [13:07:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah Jusk1 that's what I did last week...and it worked in like 1 hour...and now suddenly all these problems making lame and mythtv |
| [13:07:00] | Tommck: | I don't understand... why would you recompile QT when you've already compiled it once?? |
| [13:07:00] | coffee88: | fryfrog: But only helps if you're recompiling the same package/version? |
| [13:08:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: you've *never* compiled the same application more than once? |
| [13:08:00] | Jusk1: | [Elvis]: then I very much think you've forgotten something that you didn't forget earlier |
| [13:08:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah that could be so right.. |
| [13:08:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – sure... but once it's compiled on a machine, there is no need to compile it again |
| [13:08:00] | [Elvis]: | but I |
| [13:08:00] | [Elvis]: | I've been thinking about it all night yesterday..and I can't think of anything I forgot |
| [13:08:00] | fryfrog: | coffee88: it only helps if the file being compiled is identical. So for QT3.0.1, first compile might take 1hr. 2nd compile of same version, maybe 10min. Compiling QT3.0.3 might take 20min |
| [13:08:00] | fryfrog: | it all depends on how many of the compiled files are *identical* |
| [13:09:00] | Jusk1: | apt-cache search mythtv ... look for the build-dep package |
| [13:09:00] | Tommck: | makefiles do the same thing, n'est-ce pas? |
| [13:09:00] | fryfrog: | so, when I compile mythtv-svn, ccache saves me a lot of time because there are not *that* many changes in the source between a week or two |
| [13:09:00] | Jusk1: | not if you do a make distclean like you're supposed to, Tommck |
| [13:09:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: sure, if you have not done a make clean/distclean |
| [13:09:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: which is what you are usually told to do |
| [13:10:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – well... in a project that has improper makefiles and requires a make clean every time, sure... |
| [13:10:00] | ** Tommck has never written something that required a "make clean" every time ** | |
| [13:10:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: That also doesn't take into account a few other things |
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| [13:11:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – like? |
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| [13:13:00] | fryfrog: | Okay... how about, you have QT1 compiled and installed, deleted the source |
| [13:13:00] | fryfrog: | dl QT2, compile it |
| [13:14:00] | fryfrog: | your thought, there is no pre-compiled source (duh) |
| [13:14:00] | Tommck: | well... when you delete the source, you're asking to recompile |
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| [13:14:00] | fryfrog: | but with ccache, its possible you'll get cache hits and compile faster |
| [13:14:00] | lesshaste: | how do I get a channel list for astra for example? I used channels.conf-dvbs-astra from linuxtv-dvb-apps but it seems to be out of date |
| [13:15:00] | fryfrog: | also, someting like compiling kernel 2.6.15 vs. 2.6.15.1 or something |
| [13:15:00] | Tommck: | it is basically saving your .o and makefile-like information elsewhere... it's an alternative to maintaining your source code |
| [13:15:00] | Juski: | lesshaste: linuxtv-dvb-apps scan |
| [13:15:00] | fryfrog: | of course, ccache is far nice in source based distros like LFS or Gentoo |
| [13:15:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – yeah... I feel that it's plugging a hole in people's software weaknesses (i.e. – you should always be able to dump a new version over an old version and recompile) |
| [13:16:00] | Juski: | there's little point in most people compiling _everything_ from scratch IMHO |
| [13:16:00] | fryfrog: | I have some compile times for mythtv-svn that are 5min and some that are 30min, its a big difference |
| [13:16:00] | Tommck: | if you can't update .c and .cpp files and just type "make" again, there's something wrong with the project |
| [13:16:00] | Tommck: | Juski – I agree, but that's going down the distro wars path again |
| [13:16:00] | Juski: | ffs |
| [13:17:00] | coffee88: | Juski: But I find compile messages whizzing past so soothing! |
| [13:17:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: Have you ever extracted the source of say, QT2 into the QT3 dir? |
| [13:17:00] | fryfrog: | Tommck: i'm just wondering who would do that :) |
| [13:17:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – no, I haven't... because they don't structure their projects to handle that (Like I think they should)... |
| [13:18:00] | fryfrog: | about the only time I do a extract into same dir is with stuff i get via cvs / svn |
| [13:18:00] | Tommck: | but, you can do a "svn update" and get all the new versions of .cpp files for a project and you should be able to just type "make" and have it work |
| [13:18:00] | lesshaste: | Juski: thx . I'll try that |
| [13:18:00] | Juski: | it's not... depends what you want from a distro doesn't it? some are better for some than others ;-) |
| [13:18:00] | Juski: | me.. I don't want to wait for 10 days for X to compile, so I won't be using Gentoo again for new installs |
| [13:18:00] | fryfrog: | if you kept extracting over older version, you end up with lots of cruft :) |
| [13:18:00] | fryfrog: | Juski: sounds like you need to take that P133MMX out and shoot it :) |
| [13:18:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – yeah, you may... so, every once in a while, you can blow out the whole directory and take the hit if you want... |
| [13:19:00] | jvs: | Juski, distcc? |
| [13:19:00] | fryfrog: | I doubt his P200MMX farm would speed up compile that much :) |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | I understand its benefits, but I think it'll just make people more lazy and abuse it by not making proper makefiles, etc. |
| [13:19:00] | fryfrog: | oh, ccache doesn't have enough of a user base to make devs lazy :) |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [13:20:00] | fryfrog: | thats obvious by the sheer number of people who have never heard of it :0 |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | what ever happend to "sigtom" ? He used to hang out in here a lot |
| [13:20:00] | fryfrog: | plus, again its quite unuseful for someone who only compiles the same thing once a month or so, 5min every month is teh lame |
| [13:21:00] | fryfrog: | but for *gentoo* users, its a highly recommended install |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | you have to make your CPU jump through some hoops every once in a while... dust off the cobwebs... a little extra compile time is exactly what's needed :) |
| [13:21:00] | fryfrog: | since we usually go from apache 2.0.53 -> 2.0.54 -> 2.0.55 :) |
| [13:21:00] | ** Tommck prefers stability over the constant-patch mentality ** | |
| [13:22:00] | fryfrog: | or even better, when we go from like apache 2.0.53 to 2.0.53-r1! (gentoo's internal ebuild versioning) |
| [13:22:00] | fryfrog: | nothing wrong with stability, thats why there is the x86 and ~x86 paths :0 |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | but I like being able to get a very current version if i need to |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | ~x86??? approximately x86... not quite x86? |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | and if it isn't available, its relativly trivial to write your own build script :0 |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, they are the x86 made by cirix and such ;) |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [13:23:00] | fryfrog: | we aren't sure who makes the ~amd64 though |
| [13:24:00] | fryfrog: | i guess intel? :) |
| [13:24:00] | ** Tommck wonders if anyone in here uses Plutohome ** | |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – actually, yes... they implement AMD's 64-bit instruction set |
| [13:24:00] | fryfrog: | not even in portage, wtf is it? |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | plutohome.com |
| [13:24:00] | fryfrog: | hence the "i guess intel" :) |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | or plutohome.org.. |
| [13:25:00] | Tommck: | it's a home automation / security / mythtv wrapper / etc system |
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| [13:26:00] | fryfrog: | what does it use for the... |
| [13:26:00] | fryfrog: | oh, so it is based on myuth? |
| [13:26:00] | Tommck: | yes |
| [13:27:00] | fryfrog: | wow, it even has asterisk? |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | yep |
| [13:27:00] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | it's a dev project right now.. |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | their website's kinda deceptive |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | but it's neat |
| [13:27:00] | Tommck: | brb coffee |
| [13:27:00] | fryfrog: | deceptive in what way? |
| [13:29:00] | fryfrog: | looks pretty ambitions |
| [13:30:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – deceptive in that it looks like they're farther along than they are.. |
| [13:30:00] | Tommck: | I don't think they have any resellers or anything like that |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | they're definitely in a constant development state |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | seems like a cool project though |
| [13:31:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | as someone told me recently, they're the ones that did the $1000 bounty for telnet support in mythtv |
| [13:31:00] | fryfrog: | ah, cool |
| [13:32:00] | fryfrog: | wonder i fthey payed up? |
| [13:32:00] | fryfrog: | or did anyone even do ti? |
| [13:32:00] | Tommck: | I heard they did |
| [13:32:00] | Tommck: | yes, it's done |
| [13:32:00] | Tommck: | (or so I was told) |
| [13:32:00] | fryfrog: | psifyf |
| [13:32:00] | fryfrog: | krikey |
| [13:32:00] | fryfrog: | spiffy :) |
| [13:32:00] | Tommck: | wow... siezure? |
| [13:33:00] | fryfrog: | its almost bed time :( |
| [13:33:00] | Tommck: | what part of the world are you in? |
| [13:37:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog ? |
| [13:38:00] | Tommck: | anyone? |
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| [13:39:00] | wole: | hi |
| [13:39:00] | wole: | london, england |
| [13:39:00] | fryfrog: | I'm in Atlanta, GA (EST) |
| [13:39:00] | fryfrog: | It is 8:40am |
| [13:39:00] | Tommck: | fryfrog – you haven't gone to bed yet? |
| [13:40:00] | fryfrog: | no, i'm a 3rd shit bitch |
| [13:40:00] | wole: | 13:40 (GMT) |
| [13:40:00] | fryfrog: | ahah, shift |
| [13:40:00] | Tommck: | ouch |
| [13:40:00] | Tommck: | that's just not natural |
| [13:41:00] | Juski: | plutohome isn't _based_ on myth.. it just _has_ mythtv |
| [13:41:00] | Tommck: | Juski – true |
| [13:42:00] | Juski: | they dropped the work on the cx88 mpeg driver for the likes of PVR2000 |
| [13:43:00] | ** Tommck hasn't even heard of the PVR2000 :) ** | |
| [13:43:00] | Juski: | leadtek version of the pvr250 |
| [13:43:00] | Tommck: | ah.. oh well.. |
| [13:43:00] | Juski: | different enough for ivtv not to work with it |
| [13:43:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [13:44:00] | Juski: | maybe that'll change now ivtv is heading for inclusion in the v4l part of the kernel |
| [13:44:00] | Tommck: | I've got 2 HD3000 and 1 PVR500, so I'm set for a while |
| [13:44:00] | coffee88: | is that the same driver used for some nova-t's? |
| [13:44:00] | Juski: | don't see the point now that the pvr150 is the cheapest pvr card now anyway |
| [13:45:00] | Juski: | coffee88: no |
| [13:46:00] | t00m: | hm, when I xinit, the console turns black and nothing happens. a process called kdvb-fe-0 seems to produce load 1 with using .3% of the CPU (that's what top says) |
| [13:46:00] | t00m: | and it can't be killed |
| [13:46:00] | t00m: | so i have to reboot to get rid of that load |
| [13:46:00] | Juski: | t00m: that's the frontend driver for your DVB tuner |
| [13:46:00] | Tommck: | everything can be killed... you just have to use a bigger gun :) |
| [13:46:00] | Juski: | you'd have to unload the dvb driver module |
| [13:47:00] | Juski: | which would do you _no_ good if you wanna use the card |
| [13:48:00] | t00m: | it's idle |
| [13:48:00] | Juski: | so it's idle.. so? |
| [13:48:00] | fryfrog: | Did anyone read about that PCI HDTV CableCard ... card? |
| [13:48:00] | t00m: | i could unload the modules :) |
| [13:49:00] | fryfrog: | or that Tivo is releasing a tivo that has like 6 tuners in it (2 at a time) |
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| [13:49:00] | t00m: | but i'm not sure if that process is the one that needs to be killed |
| [13:49:00] | fryfrog: | analog, hdtv OTA and QAM or something |
| [13:50:00] | Juski: | t00m: what's the problem? |
| [13:51:00] | Juski: | and Tivo.. schmivo ;-) |
| [13:51:00] | t00m: | Juski: load 1 and no idea why and a not working X |
| [13:51:00] | Tommck: | brb |
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| [13:52:00] | Juski: | i'd say X not working had more to do with missing drivers/misconfiguration & stuff |
| [13:52:00] | Juski: | not running processes |
| [13:52:00] | t00m: | dmesg is dumping some nice lines.. |
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| [13:52:00] | t00m: | starting with: ------------[ cut here ]------------ |
| [13:52:00] | t00m: | kernel BUG at arch/i386/mm/pageattr.c:137! |
| [13:53:00] | t00m: | doesn't seem to like the nvidia module |
| [13:53:00] | t00m: | crap |
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| [14:02:00] | t00m: | rebuilding the kernel seems to be a good idea |
| [14:02:00] | t00m: | had to mrproper it to get it building |
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| [14:14:00] | t00m: | hmm |
| [14:15:00] | t00m: | after mrproper, make oldconfig and a quick view over the menuconfig, is there something else that needs to be done before a make? |
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| [14:20:00] | trillium: | Hiya all! Anyone on can help me with mythtranscode issue? |
| [14:20:00] | ** Tommck doesn't use transcode ** | |
| [14:20:00] | trillium: | hiya |
| [14:21:00] | trillium: | hmm, trying to use nuvexport. Was working fine for awhile but has stopped. Seems that it gets stuck when trying to create fifos |
| [14:21:00] | ** wole had problems wit transcode, so stopped useing it ** | |
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| [14:21:00] | trillium: | how to go about exporting nuv to DVD format then? I have stuff from Christmas I want to save... |
| [14:21:00] | Tommck: | trillium – see if there are still some sub-processes running like |
| [14:21:00] | Tommck: | rogue mythtranscode processes? |
| [14:22:00] | wole: | trillium: nuv2disk? |
| [14:22:00] | trillium: | rebooted the box prior to trying so system would come up clean... |
| [14:23:00] | trillium: | I'll try that wole .... |
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| [14:40:00] | Layer01: | hi, sorry to jump in and possibly interrupt conversations etc. but i just stumbled upon the MythTV site and am amazed at how cool it looks. one feature in particular caught my eye, the Automatic commercial detection/removal feature...in layman's terms how does this work...does it work? commercials are the main reason i dont watch TV atm, if i could wipe them out i'd build a home MythTV box in an instant... |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | Layer01 – it works decently, but it's not 100% trustworthy, as one would expect. |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | I leave Myth in the mode that basically notifies you that there's a commercial block of 3:10 long... |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | then I hit the button that skips the commercial... |
| [14:41:00] | Tommck: | it works nicely |
| [14:42:00] | Tommck: | occasionally, it thinks there are 15 minutes of commercials or something, when it misses a commercial ending or something.... |
| [14:42:00] | Tommck: | that's why I don't have it auto-skip |
| [14:42:00] | Layer01: | i'm not in the US, is this a feature that is built for US...um....style add blocks or something? |
| [14:42:00] | Tommck: | I am unaware of there being differences between ad blocks in other countries |
| [14:43:00] | Tommck: | but I'm not one of the devs |
| [14:43:00] | trillium: | I've found that it works more reliably also depending on what channel you are watching |
| [14:43:00] | Tommck: | some shows that have lots of fade-in, fade-out inside the TV show fool it into thinking it is a commercial |
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| [14:44:00] | Layer01: | ok cool. hehehe i'm also completely baffled as to how it tells when adds are coming up:p |
| [14:44:00] | Tommck: | well... read some mythtv-users archives or something.. |
| [14:44:00] | Tommck: | google search on how it works... |
| [14:45:00] | Tommck: | there have been plenty of discussions |
| [14:45:00] | [Elvis]: | could it be that CPAN has changed which gives me a lot of errors during makeing mythtv? |
| [14:45:00] | Tommck: | logo detection, blank frames, etc. |
| [14:45:00] | Layer01: | sure, i'm not looking for how it does it, its just amazing that it can lol ;) |
| [14:45:00] | stamppot: | Well, my stuttering problems have been solved, thanks to flithm |
| [14:45:00] | stamppot: | On to the next: how to use the saa7134-alsa driver? I don't get sound on my Pinnacle PCTV50i |
| [14:46:00] | Tommck: | well, I'm outta here... Layer01 – if you're a bit of a techie hobbyist, I'd give MythTV a try... it will require a lot of tinkering at first (potentially for a long time, depending on your end goals), but it is a great tool once you have it working |
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| [14:47:00] | Layer01: | so if i were to build a box dedicated to MythTv all it would need (other than the usual pc parts) would be a tv tuner? |
| [14:48:00] | Layer01: | just trying to gauge the difficulty, before i "leap in" |
| [14:49:00] | Layer01: | no desire to try and make a home media box and then find out i've omitted some vital part lol ;) |
| [14:51:00] | Layer01: | heheh, btw sorry if i'm noobing up the atmosphere in here :p |
| [14:51:00] | Cromz: | Layer01, how are you with linux? |
| [14:52:00] | Cromz: | and you what it to have a remote? all the frills? |
| [14:52:00] | Cromz: | if you want to gauge the difficulty. that is where it'll be. heh |
| [14:52:00] | Layer01: | i see |
| [14:52:00] | Layer01: | so its linux only then? |
| [14:53:00] | Layer01: | not a show stopper....though certainly could be a challenge :p |
| [14:53:00] | Cromz: | yeah it is.. if you never messed with linux :) |
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| [14:54:00] | Cromz: | there are alot of differant flavors of linux to choose from. |
| [14:54:00] | Layer01: | well i've dabbled in it..briefly, but what i do has so far not called me to use linux, though i've always been tempted..open source is the best after all lol...but i have a fair amount of contacts who could get me up to speed i guess. |
| [14:55:00] | Layer01: | i would probably try out one of the "user friendly" ones... i think suse is one of them no? |
| [14:56:00] | Cromz: | suse? I tried that once.. bought a work station distro.. man that wasn't easy cause all my knowledge was fedora. |
| [14:56:00] | Cromz: | red hat |
| [14:56:00] | stamppot: | anyone? :how to use the saa7134-alsa driver? I don't get sound on my Pinnacle PCTV50i |
| [14:57:00] | Cromz: | Layer01, http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/index.php if you want to go fedora this is a awesome site on a how to.. |
| [14:58:00] | Layer01: | but would the setting up be done within linux itself, or from inside mythTV? by setting up i mean general config to get it working..obviously it would be done in both but if setting up remotes etc was done within MythTV i'd imagine it'd be easier perhaps? |
| [14:58:00] | Layer01: | cool cromz, thanks for that :D |
| [14:58:00] | Cromz: | there are other site for other distros. |
| [14:59:00] | Cromz: | I still go to wilsonet site even tho I've setup myth 3 times.. lol there's always something I forget. |
| [15:00:00] | Layer01: | awesome, that site looks like it'll be a great help, thanks for that :) |
| [15:01:00] | Layer01: | btw...seeing as i guess this is an important question too ;) what is/has your experience of mythTV been like? anything to look out fore..any alternatives etc? |
| [15:02:00] | wole: | Layer01: as always, it depends what you want to do. Myth is really good at being a PVR, but if you just want to watch, or schedule recording of programms then something else might be better |
| [15:02:00] | Cromz: | hmm fustrating at first. but once I uderstood what I was doing. it's f'ing awesome. I wouldn't want a differant pvr. |
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| [15:03:00] | Layer01: | but if you just want to watch, or schedule recording of programms then something else might be better<--- really? i thought this was one of its features? do you mean the lack of free online TV guides that it reads or something? |
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| [15:04:00] | Cromz: | no no that is what myth is for. |
| [15:04:00] | Cromz: | lol |
| [15:05:00] | Cromz: | he means if your gonna use it to watch stuff you downloaded.. or prehaps connect a camera for a video survalance setup then myth isn't the answer. |
| [15:05:00] | Layer01: | ahh ok lol |
| [15:06:00] | Layer01: | i was going to say :p |
| [15:06:00] | wole: | indeed. |
| [15:06:00] | [Elvis]: | anyone got a clue http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/error.txt ? |
| [15:06:00] | wole: | sorry if i confused you ;) |
| [15:06:00] | Cromz: | if your gonna use the tuner / video input from a cable / sat then yeah myth Pwns! |
| [15:07:00] | Cromz: | I love being able to get to my mythweb and see whats gonna be on.. and schedule stuff.. I search like once a week while I'm bored at work. |
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| [15:08:00] | Layer01: | awesome, the more i hear the more i think i need this lol |
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| [15:10:00] | Cromz: | I use the mythweather option in the mornings when I get up to see current temp before heading out. being I live in minnesota.. I wanna know how much bundling I gotta do that day lol |
| [15:10:00] | Layer01: | lol |
| [15:10:00] | Layer01: | so, all i need is a decent TVtuner card right... (and a PC obviously lol) and the arial/cable/sat plugs into that and then its just a matter of configuring linux and mythTV? |
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| [15:11:00] | Layer01: | anyway i'll read through that site, will probably answer all my questions eh, hehehe ;) |
| [15:11:00] | Cromz: | yeah oh and a ir blaster / transmitter of some sort. inless your cable box has a input for controlling it mine didn't so I dunno much about that. |
| [15:12:00] | Cromz: | http://gallery.cromz.com/main.php?g2_view=cor . . . _itemId=2435 |
| [15:12:00] | Layer01: | ooh..my desire-o-meter is off the scale :p |
| [15:12:00] | Cromz: | that's my baby.. dual athlon 2600+ mp's with 1 gig mem and a 3ware sata raid with 6 by 200 gigs. |
| [15:13:00] | Layer01: | very niice |
| [15:13:00] | Layer01: | thats..a lot of storage lol |
| [15:13:00] | dasOp: | 3ware? they still around? |
| [15:13:00] | Cromz: | it's almost full I need to redo it. |
| [15:13:00] | Cromz: | dasOp, ya |
| [15:14:00] | Cromz: | still cost an arm and a leg too |
| [15:14:00] | Cromz: | lol |
| [15:14:00] | dasOp: | I did some testing on their sata card 1.5 years ago and they'd gone from being top dog to mediocre |
| [15:14:00] | dasOp: | but those sata cards basically had a sata to pata on each controller |
| [15:14:00] | dasOp: | doubt thats still the case |
| [15:15:00] | dasOp: | got much better performance doing sw raid back then |
| [15:15:00] | Cromz: | it's been a good card for me. the 8506–8 I bought it a few years ago. |
| [15:15:00] | dasOp: | ah yes, thats the one |
| [15:15:00] | Cromz: | in my little network here I can't push it very hard. |
| [15:15:00] | dasOp: | or atleast 8500 series |
| [15:16:00] | dasOp: | that was for a vid streaming server |
| [15:16:00] | Cromz: | for a company I probilly wouldn't use it much. |
| [15:16:00] | Layer01: | so, storage, IR broadcaster (maybe), Tv tuner....think i've got it now. well now i'll just need to piece this thing together. thanks for all the help :D |
| [15:16:00] | Cromz: | no prob Layer01 :) |
| [15:17:00] | dasOp: | layer: basically, all you need to begin with is a tuner card and a box you can run linux on |
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| [15:17:00] | dasOp: | if you like it, expand :) |
| [15:17:00] | dasOp: | I'm at the "installed it, like it, gonna expand" phase |
| [15:17:00] | dasOp: | amd 850 with a single 120gb drive and a grabber card |
| [15:18:00] | dasOp: | its not much of a myth box but it works :P |
| [15:18:00] | Cromz: | if it works then its a great myth :) |
| [15:18:00] | dasOp: | but it took me a week to get to the 'it works' phase |
| [15:19:00] | dasOp: | setting up the channels was confusing as hell |
| [15:19:00] | Cromz: | just a week? |
| [15:19:00] | Cromz: | :) |
| [15:19:00] | dasOp: | yeah, I was spending alot of time with it |
| [15:20:00] | Cromz: | I know a guy that is real good with bsd. his is finnaly starting to work. been about a month. |
| [15:20:00] | dasOp: | and finally realizing that mythfilldatabase was screwing up my channels table made me mad like hell :P |
| [15:20:00] | Cromz: | doh! |
| [15:21:00] | dasOp: | if I specified chanid, as I wanted to, it set channum and freqid the same |
| [15:21:00] | Cromz: | couse my bud goes and does a yum upgrade and blew everything up. lol. he's a true leeroy jenkins. |
| [15:21:00] | dasOp: | so I had to fix it manually |
| [15:21:00] | Cromz: | ooof. |
| [15:21:00] | dasOp: | I went through deb stable, knoppmyth and finally went to deb sid so I could get marillats packages |
| [15:21:00] | dasOp: | knowing mysql sure helped |
| [15:22:00] | dasOp: | prolly woulda been easier if I had a decent tv card instead of my saa7134 |
| [15:22:00] | dasOp: | but hey, it works :P |
| [15:22:00] | dasOp: | I never use the actual interface, just mythweb |
| [15:22:00] | znoG: | how does one delete a scheduled recording? |
| [15:23:00] | Cromz: | I have a pvr350.. and an extra for when I build the next or upgrade so I dont have to take down the one I'm using. |
| [15:23:00] | dasOp: | easy to do in mythweb, if you use it |
| [15:24:00] | znoG: | i use mythfrontend |
| [15:25:00] | dasOp: | is it a recording schedule you want to remove or just a single scheduled recording? |
| [15:28:00] | Cromz: | go to the schedule records menu, upcoming recordings edit the options and turn it to not to record. |
| [15:29:00] | Cromz: | mythweb makes to show much easier |
| [15:29:00] | Cromz: | er soo much |
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| [15:46:00] | Juski: | [Elvis]: install a different distro already – a binary based one & have done with it |
| [15:47:00] | [Elvis]: | :P no way man |
| [15:47:00] | Juski: | then find out what packages you're missing and install the things |
| [15:47:00] | [Elvis]: | doing that right now |
| [15:48:00] | Juski: | :) |
| [15:48:00] | [Elvis]: | I think there was no link to default |
| [15:48:00] | [Elvis]: | might have been the problem |
| [15:50:00] | Juski: | I know some of the issues with using a ready-rolled distro.. you don't necessarily learn much about linux, but if you don't know enough about the ways of linux it can be one very steep learning curve |
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| [15:51:00] | [Elvis]: | I like steep learning curves :P |
| [15:52:00] | Juski: | yeh well try to make sure you actually do the learning bit ;) |
| [15:52:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [15:52:00] | [Elvis]: | how can I export PATH QTDIR in /etc/profile |
| [15:52:00] | [Elvis]: | ? |
| [15:53:00] | Juski: | I'm a bit like Homer Simpson.. everytime I learn something new it pushes old stuff out |
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| [15:53:00] | Juski: | [Elvis]: that's covered in many a howto guide.. try google |
| [15:53:00] | Juski: | http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec64.html |
| [15:54:00] | [Elvis]: | allready found it |
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| [15:58:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm making mythtv now..let's see what happens :P |
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| [16:23:00] | Juski: | lol @ the new Pundit system... wtf is the _point_ of putting audio connections on the front of a HTPC? |
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| [16:26:00] | Arkkis: | Juski, maybe someone thinks that people want to use videocamera or something with it, I think some vcr's have the audio and vid connections in front for that |
| [16:27:00] | Juski: | okay... but spdif? |
| [16:27:00] | Juski: | you can't seriously have cables coming out of the _front_ in a htpc setup |
| [16:27:00] | Arkkis: | wtf/omg/lol |
| [16:27:00] | Arkkis: | spdif, what are they thinking about, I tought that it was something like rca-in |
| [16:28:00] | Juski: | be alright if they're on a header though... but having to mod a brand new case just to put the connectors somewhere sensible is beyond the pale |
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| [16:31:00] | Arkkis: | Juski, ever seen a problem like this: http://arkkimaagi.pastebin.com/502366 ? |
| [16:31:00] | Arkkis: | (and the solution :) |
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| [16:32:00] | Arkkis: | the problem appears every now and then and basicly makes mythbackend stupid, when I restart mythbackend, the problem goes away for a while |
| [16:33:00] | Juski: | Arkkis: nope |
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| [16:44:00] | afm: | I can bring up a menu with 'm' while watching tv, but can't seem to change channels at all |
| [16:44:00] | Arkkis: | darnit, not a mythtv bug? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/946 |
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| [16:45:00] | Kelerion: | is it normal for mpeg2cut to convert my mpeg recording into a nuv file?? |
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| [16:55:00] | ZeroDiv: | are there any irblasters that work with mythtv other than the ones at irblasters.info and mytvstore.com? |
| [16:56:00] | Juski: | yeh.. home made ones |
| [16:56:00] | Juski: | the mce one reportedly works too |
| [16:57:00] | D-side: | i picked up an actisys-200L once upon a time |
| [16:57:00] | D-side: | worked great. |
| [16:58:00] | ZeroDiv: | ill have to check both of those out.. thanks for the info |
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| [17:01:00] | MeeKs: | im looking to get a wintv card for my pc to turn it into a tivo, is the wintv pvr-150 good enough? what would i be able to do wiht it? record and watch a show at the same time |
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| [17:02:00] | Kelerion: | watch a pre-recorded show and record one.. yes |
| [17:03:00] | MeeKs: | hmm |
| [17:03:00] | MeeKs: | 59 bucks is a good deal no? |
| [17:03:00] | Kelerion: | dunno what they are going for over there – am in the uk |
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| [17:04:00] | Cromz: | MeeKs, you running linux on your pc? |
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| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | morning guys. Is kdvb-fe-1 related to mythtv? |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | it goes to the top of the list every interval of 3 seconds |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | using top |
| [17:17:00] | Kelerion: | isnt it something to do with a nova card? is that what you have |
| [17:17:00] | Kelerion: | ? |
| [17:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | no, it's kernel related |
| [17:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | sorry that was in reply to default |
| [17:17:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [17:17:00] | nasa: | Any know if I can run an 8500dv without its fan? Damn fan is way too loud |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | i have fusion card |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | it's the first time I saw it |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | i usually run top for a long time and watch it |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | but this time, it's showing every interval of 3 seconds |
| [17:18:00] | defaultro: | and i think, it's affecting my playback |
| [17:19:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, i never had this last week |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's just part of the dvb drivers. the frontend portion of card 1 |
| [17:19:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [17:19:00] | defaultro: | I guess, i have to talk to Mike Krufky then |
| [17:20:00] | Arkkis: | argh, first I encountered problems with sourceforge the other day, now gentoo-wiki.com does not reply.. ..what's wrong with these sites |
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| [17:20:00] | defaultro: | doesn't get killed too |
| [17:20:00] | southerngal: | good morning |
| [17:21:00] | defaultro: | they might have banned you Arkkis |
| [17:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Arkkis: Sites go down, routes get messed up. the internet is not perfect :) |
| [17:21:00] | wole: | Arkis: who is your isp? |
| [17:21:00] | Arkkis: | funet.fi |
| [17:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can't get to gentoo-wiki.com either |
| [17:22:00] | Arkkis: | yep, both times it looks like the servers are down, I just tought that these two servers would be "good" |
| [17:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | never assume |
| [17:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | most boxes on the net are run by clueless monkeys |
| [17:22:00] | Arkkis: | yep, I assume that microsoft will not opensource it's browser within the next year. |
| [17:23:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, the kdvb doesn't get killed. I rebooted the box and see if that process will go away |
| [17:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | and even then hardware failure, upstream routing problems and maintainance takes everything off for a bit |
| [17:23:00] | wole: | most boxes are run by clueless monkeys... |
| [17:23:00] | Arkkis: | take that m$ |
| [17:23:00] | wole: | gentoo-wiki.com is down for me too – prolly not a network problem |
| [17:24:00] | jvs: | anybody tried the 0.19_pre ebuild on gentoo? |
| [17:24:00] | wole: | it pings tho.. |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | defaultro: Why would it be killed? It's part of the kernel modules showing up in top |
| [17:24:00] | southerngal: | i just tried pinging gentoo-wiki.com no response but i get a resolve of 64.193.62.121 |
| [17:24:00] | southerngal: | i am in the US tho so |
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| [17:25:00] | wole: | i gor a response – 99 101 98ms |
| [17:25:00] | Arkkis: | I did get a response too |
| [17:25:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [17:25:00] | Arkkis: | but not the darn pages :/ |
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| [17:26:00] | southerngal: | how is everyone this morning? |
| [17:26:00] | Arkkis: | I'm trying to pinpoint an mythtv bugfix, as I saw on an irclog something about it |
| [17:26:00] | opello: | nothing accepting connections on :80 there |
| [17:27:00] | galvin_pdx: | I was told there was somebody here who just setup a box with a Fusion 5 Gold. Are you still here? I get nothing but static, but azap & test_dvr can capture video. |
| [17:27:00] | Arkkis: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/index.php?date=2006-01-09 [15:11] <Filip^> Here it is, from the gentoo mythtv wiki... and then he talks about a solution, I'd like to find that solution |
| [17:27:00] | MeeKs: | cromz: yes i am |
| [17:27:00] | MeeKs: | im going to run myth i think |
| [17:27:00] | wole: | southerngal: the site is in washington |
| [17:27:00] | MeeKs: | it depends on how loud if is compared to my tivo |
| [17:28:00] | Arkkis: | southerngal, go kick them to boot it up, you're closer |
| [17:28:00] | wole: | lol |
| [17:28:00] | southerngal: | lol |
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| [17:29:00] | Cromz: | MeeKs, k ehhe just checking :) |
| [17:32:00] | MeeKs: | heh |
| [17:32:00] | southerngal: | i don't suppose Jarrd is out there anywhere :-) |
| [17:32:00] | southerngal: | errr sorry Jarod :-) |
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| [17:34:00] | southerngal: | I don't suppose anyone would like to help a girl out would they? |
| [17:36:00] | Cromz: | dunno what kind of problem you got :P |
| [17:37:00] | southerngal: | oh i lost my mybox to a harddrive failure and while rebuilding using Jarod's instructions ran into an lirc prob |
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| [17:38:00] | southerngal: | everything loaded proper but when i run irw i get nada.. then removed it and downloaded/installed .0.8.0pre4 and got it manually configured and still nada when running irw |
| [17:38:00] | Arkkis: | are you running the daemon? |
| [17:39:00] | southerngal: | yes the lircd |
| [17:39:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | dtm, if you see this, "no, but you could make a script to do that with SVN real easy" |
| [17:40:00] | Arkkis: | sorry, that's about how far I can help, =) |
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| [17:42:00] | southerngal: | welll using the rpm from jarod's it config'ed properly as a service.. but the new install when i try to run lircd as a service i get "lircd: unrecognized service" |
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| [18:01:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, I think i know now the reason why my mythtv started playing not nicesly |
| [18:01:00] | defaultro: | i changed the way my gui starts. It automatically logs in as a non root account |
| [18:02:00] | znoG: | GreyFoxx: any idea how to remove a scheduled recording? |
| [18:02:00] | defaultro: | as opposed to me manually login root account every boot up |
| [18:02:00] | defaultro: | what are the advantages of checking "open card on demand"? |
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| [18:03:00] | wole: | defaultro: http://pastebin.ca/39040 |
| [18:03:00] | Cromz: | znoG, go to the schedule records menu, upcoming recordings edit the options and turn it to not to record. |
| [18:03:00] | wibbit: | Good morning all |
| [18:03:00] | wibbit: | I have a quick question about MythTV and audio (well this probably isn't just a MythTV thing). |
| [18:04:00] | wibbit: | I see that I can send raw data down the optic link to a Dolby 5.1 amp/decoder |
| [18:04:00] | wibbit: | How would that work with regards to normal sterio? |
| [18:04:00] | znoG: | Cromz: how to edit the options? |
| [18:04:00] | Cromz: | select the one you want to edit. |
| [18:04:00] | defaultro: | wole, that's cool |
| [18:05:00] | defaultro: | would that be the reason why things went a little slower |
| [18:05:00] | Cromz: | znoG, you'll see a menu pop up |
| [18:05:00] | scottder: | Hey all |
| [18:05:00] | wole: | defaultro: no, if you need that then there would have been no tv output from live tv |
| [18:05:00] | scottder: | Is 8178 the latest nvidia drivers |
| [18:05:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [18:05:00] | defaultro: | livetv is showing though |
| [18:06:00] | wole: | i had that problem |
| [18:06:00] | defaultro: | anyways, i'm restoring back my old gdm setpu |
| [18:06:00] | wole: | ah, thne igonore me :-$ |
| [18:06:00] | defaultro: | that's the only thing I changed |
| [18:06:00] | znoG: | Cromz: ah, space bar! |
| [18:06:00] | defaultro: | but that's helpful though in case i need it in future |
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| [18:06:00] | Cromz: | znoG, ya.. or enter.. |
| [18:06:00] | Cromz: | should work. |
| [18:09:00] | coffee88: | Anyone using commercial detection with uk dvb-t? Is it worth it? I don't bother currently as I read UK tv as detection was too hard?... |
| [18:09:00] | wole: | coffee88: not tried it, was going to give it a go this week. |
| [18:11:00] | coffee88: | wole: When I had myth auto detecting ads, it didn't seem to find any. Just chewed up a lot of CPU time. Not that it's a big deal skipping forwards... |
| [18:12:00] | NHI: | is it possible to have mythtv record a show, tag commercials and cut them out all automatically ? without loading a cutlist manually |
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| [18:14:00] | wibbit: | When copying DVD's, is it possibly to spread the work accross multiple systems using MythTV? |
| [18:14:00] | coffee88: | NHI: Would you really want to trust it to cut the sections automatically? |
| [18:14:00] | engie: | Hi. I've got the ubuntu mythtv 0.18.1 package. I think it has lirc support compiled in. If so, how do I get it to access my /dev/lirc/0 device? Am I correct in assuming I don't need lircd to be running? |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | wibbit: nope, but you probably can use dvd::rip |
| [18:14:00] | laga: | engie: you need lircd. |
| [18:14:00] | D-side: | laga: howdy. |
| [18:15:00] | laga: | D-side: heya D-side :) what's up? |
| [18:15:00] | D-side: | nothing particularly new. |
| [18:15:00] | D-side: | bearings are shot in the pundit's PSU fan |
| [18:15:00] | wibbit: | cheers Laga |
| [18:15:00] | D-side: | ordered new ones but for now, boy its loud |
| [18:15:00] | wibbit: | That's what I'm using at the moment, just wanted to know if the DVD ripping would be any easier with MithTV |
| [18:16:00] | NHI: | coffee88: shouldnt I ? |
| [18:16:00] | wole: | hey laka, nay lick with your furmware ug? |
| [18:16:00] | wole: | laga, oops |
| [18:16:00] | D-side: | personally i dont see the point in ripping dvds to divxs and the like. its just a waste of HD space to me. |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | wibbit: you have more knobs and settings in dvd::rip anyways, i think mythdvd is quite basic |
| [18:16:00] | D-side: | thats why when i want to have a backup of something, i do it to dvdrs |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | wole: nope, haven't tried it yet :) |
| [18:16:00] | coffee88: | NHI: I don't know. I've never had a show that it's worked on right... (UK) |
| [18:17:00] | laga: | D-side: i think the cpu fan in my pundit is broken. i should replace it as well, it's noisy |
| [18:17:00] | NHI: | coffee88: ah ok good to know |
| [18:17:00] | NHI: | coffee88: ill forget about that feature then |
| [18:17:00] | D-side: | the cpu fan is a your basic 60x60x15, so you're set with that |
| [18:17:00] | coffee88: | NHI: ymmv..... |
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| [18:18:00] | NHI: | anyone got winmyth working with svn ? cause it gives me some strange errors, just want to know if it should be working before I write down the errors |
| [18:18:00] | D-side: | i wish there were a proper win32 frontend. |
| [18:19:00] | laga: | NHI: *shrug* mythcommflag works well for me. i use the 'ALL' method |
| [18:19:00] | coffee88: | laga: In the UK? |
| [18:20:00] | laga: | nope, germany – same for nhi :) |
| [18:20:00] | coffee88: | ah |
| [18:20:00] | wole: | D-side try nxserver |
| [18:20:00] | wole: | freenx |
| [18:20:00] | NHI: | laga: but it cant ALL be done automatically ,can it ? recording, flagging, cutting, transcode |
| [18:21:00] | D-side: | wole: but, that wouldnt let you playback tv, would it? |
| [18:21:00] | D-side: | and theres a free windows client? |
| [18:21:00] | wole: | ppl have had some success |
| [18:21:00] | wole: | yup |
| [18:21:00] | D-side: | hm, interesting. |
| [18:21:00] | wole: | certainly at low res it can handle video |
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| [18:22:00] | wole: | if you have gigabit lan, it handles svga i think |
| [18:22:00] | D-side: | well. its wifi. :) |
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| [18:22:00] | D-side: | linux frontends work great. |
| [18:22:00] | wole: | :sharp intake of breath: |
| [18:22:00] | wibbit: | D-side, the main reason is more convenience then any thing else, I have quite a few DVD's, and storing them all can be a pain in the arse |
| [18:22:00] | wibbit: | So it just makes it simpler. |
| [18:22:00] | NHI: | which gcard what u guys recommend for good tv out doesnt need to have any 3d features, just to hookup small computer to tv |
| [18:23:00] | wole: | the hauppauge 350 does the best, as i does antiailiasing (but it's a capture card too) |
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| [18:24:00] | NHI: | wole: forgot to say its for windows machine, I know theres an x server for the pvr 350, dont know bout windows tho |
| [18:26:00] | ZeroDiv: | NHI: i've been looking for a good tv-out card myself. From what i'm seeing, at least under linux, the matrox g400 might have the best quality |
| [18:26:00] | scottder: | Ok i have the nvidia drivers installed and running...added the section for S-Video output |
| [18:26:00] | scottder: | do I need to do anything to take advantage of the built in mpeg-2 decoder? |
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| [18:28:00] | NHI: | ZeroDiv: k ill check that one out, thx! |
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| [18:30:00] | engie: | laga: Thanks. I've now got irw spitting out useful data from my remote and I think my .lircrc is fine. However, myth doesn't seem to be responding, whether I'm using irxevent or not. How do I tell if I have lirc support in myth? |
| [18:31:00] | engie: | And if I do, and I'm not using irxevent should the prog = lines in the .mythtv/lircrc be prog=irxevent still? |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | engie: check ldd `which mythfrontend` |
| [18:32:00] | engie: | laga – it looks like it links to liblirc_client.so.0 |
| [18:32:00] | laga: | engie: looks like you have native lirc support |
| [18:32:00] | engie: | cool |
| [18:33:00] | southerngal: | laga are you good with Lirc? |
| [18:33:00] | D-side: | so. |
| [18:33:00] | D-side: | anyone else running a mythtv backend within xen? :) |
| [18:33:00] | engie: | What is the form for the .mythtv/lircrc then? I've tried prog = mythtv with no joy, although I guess the config line would need to change too (from a irxevent one) |
| [18:36:00] | engie: | Got it! |
| [18:36:00] | D-side: | good job |
| [18:36:00] | engie: | I had to change the prog = lines to mythtv, and the config = lines to just the key to press, not Key X Focus mythfronend |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | southerngal: not really :) what do you want to know? |
| [18:44:00] | southerngal: | my Lirc "seems" to be loading properly but irw doesn't give me anything |
| [18:45:00] | southerngal: | my log messages says everything is fine but it does't give me any output when i load irw |
| [18:45:00] | laga: | sorry, dunno |
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| [18:45:00] | laga: | engie: BTW, there are example lirc config files that come with mythtv |
| [18:46:00] | engie: | laga: They all seem set up for use with irxevent |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | engie: no, i don't think so. let me check.. |
| [18:47:00] | wole: | does anyone have a list of reccomended use flags for a gentoo myth system? |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | engie: hauppauge-lircrc-nativelirc for example |
| [18:47:00] | laga: | wole: maybe the gentoo wiki? |
| [18:48:00] | wole: | which is down atm :( |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | google cache? :) |
| [18:48:00] | wole: | still no joy – times out as well |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | :/ |
| [18:48:00] | wole: | actually, i have noticed that googles cache has gotten ratyhe crap recently |
| [18:49:00] | wole: | cacnel that – they have added a link at the top to get the text only... D'oh |
| [18:51:00] | ZeroDiv: | wole: if you are using a nvidia card for playback I would disable the openg use flag as it seems to cause problems |
| [18:52:00] | billvortex: | ZeroDiv, only with driver version > 7676 |
| [18:52:00] | billvortex: | ZeroDiv, and it will be fixed in the next 8xxx driver revision |
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| [18:52:00] | ZeroDiv: | kormoc: thats good to know.. ill be waiting on the next driver update :-) |
| [18:53:00] | kormoc: | ZeroDiv, and actaully, with the svn version of myth, there's a option to disable opengl vsync in the settings, which fixes the issue until it gets fixed driver side :) |
| [18:55:00] | ZeroDiv: | I was using svn for a while, never could get it to record properly though |
| [18:55:00] | kormoc: | ZeroDiv, well, i assume you are using gentoo. there's snapshots of the svn code in portage (as .19_prexxxx) that work well, if you would like to unmask and test |
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| [18:57:00] | bo1: | hello all where is backend pid file stored? |
| [18:57:00] | ZeroDiv: | and just when i thought I had stoped messing with mythtv, you have to come along and say something like that :-) |
| [18:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: That would depend on where and if your init script is telling it to store it |
| [18:58:00] | bo1: | hee |
| [18:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have mine go to /var/run personally |
| [18:58:00] | bo1: | well i killed process and it still thinks there is one running |
| [18:58:00] | wibbit: | If it was a choice between an ATI card, or an NVidia card, which would you lot choose? |
| [18:58:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, nvidia hands down |
| [18:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1 then look at the init script if that's what you are using to start it |
| [18:59:00] | wibbit: | any particular version? |
| [18:59:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx ok |
| [18:59:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, for just a frontend, I'd go with a 6200 or a 5200 (i use a 5200 fine myself) |
| [19:00:00] | wibbit: | And if it was a frontend/ backend setup? |
| [19:00:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, backend uses nothing gfx, so no difference |
| [19:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | I think he meant if it wasn't a desktop/gaming rig as well sa a frontend :) |
| [19:01:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, okay, was just querying your exception. |
| [19:01:00] | wibbit: | Ahhh, gotcha |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | yeah, gaming requires a heaftier card :) |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | for example, I just bought a 6600GT for my gaming :) |
| [19:01:00] | wibbit: | so some thing like this. |
| [19:01:00] | wibbit: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=219246 |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | sure, that would work quite well |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | just remember, you need to use the 8xxx drivers with turbo cache cards |
| [19:03:00] | wibbit: | Is that a problem? |
| [19:03:00] | wibbit: | eeek, hang on, turbo cache uses main memory doesn't it |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | Well, there is a small driver issue right now with opengl vsync and the 8xxx drivers. |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | yes, it does |
| [19:03:00] | kormoc: | that one has 64 megs onboard, and uses the rest from system memory I beleive |
| [19:04:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, so basically, you'd need to use the svn code of mythtv to use the 8xxx drivers without an issue, |
| [19:04:00] | wibbit: | Yup, I cought that as soon as I saw the 64MB, and the 256. |
| [19:04:00] | wibbit: | Nah, I'd rather avoid using the turbocache if at all possible |
| [19:05:00] | wibbit: | I'm assuming that it shouldn't make too much difference on a mythtv frontend |
| [19:05:00] | wibbit: | but I'm fussy :) |
| [19:05:00] | kormoc: | hehe, so you have a pci-e motherboard? |
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| [19:07:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx I still can't figure out why it can't open a network socket.. |
| [19:08:00] | bo1: | I think thats the final piece.. to get this ting working |
| [19:09:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, yup, I was looking at this one http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=273374 |
| [19:11:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, are you planing to do hdtv? what tv cards? |
| [19:12:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, I would like to do HDTV if at all possible, I got the haupage (sp?) digital card. |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, could you perhaps spend a little more and get a 6600? I think likely that it would be worth it for you |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=318494 |
| [19:15:00] | bo1: | greyfox: what I found on google is not mycase. I have nothing listing on 6544 and 6533 with backend turned off |
| [19:16:00] | wibbit: | Yup, that seems fine, and it's passivly cooled, which is what I was looking for |
| [19:16:00] | wibbit: | I've spent a little extra on the powersupply, to get a silent one |
| [19:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: Well of course you wouldn't have anything bound if the app isn't running :) |
| [19:16:00] | scottder: | I am doing the initial setup, is there a way to have mythtv-setup open in a window? |
| [19:17:00] | wibbit: | scottder, I managed to get it opening in a window by running the mythfrontend, and setting the option that tells it to run in a window |
| [19:17:00] | wibbit: | Then when I went back and did the mythtv-setup, by default it ran in a window |
| [19:18:00] | wibbit: | It's a REAL pain in the arse, if you set it up in a wm that does not support ALT + TAB when you go to download the tv-channels. |
| [19:18:00] | wibbit: | but any way |
| [19:19:00] | D-side: | so no, i havent googled yet, but anyone know of an ubuntu repo for mythtv stuff? |
| [19:19:00] | D-side: | :) |
| [19:21:00] | scottder: | Ok I think I got it |
| [19:21:00] | scottder: | thanks :) |
| [19:26:00] | scottder: | weee running the mythfilldatabase now |
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| [19:26:00] | scottder: | does that usually take a while? |
| [19:26:00] | D-side: | it can, yes |
| [19:27:00] | scottder: | and remind you every step of the way when your account expires |
| [19:27:00] | scottder: | :) |
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| [19:28:00] | D-side: | every 3 mos or so. |
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| [19:28:00] | D-side: | i honestly dont mind the nagware, since its 1) not often at all and 2) a small price to pay for their very good listings. |
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| [19:29:00] | scottder: | True :) |
| [19:40:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx? |
| [19:40:00] | defaultro: | you there? |
| [19:40:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, anyways, the stuttering went away by restoring back how my X was setup before |
| [19:41:00] | defaultro: | so maybe, some users that are complaining about their HD playback is related to the account they're using |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | defaultro, what did you change? |
| [19:42:00] | defaultro: | i have been using root for all the time |
| [19:42:00] | defaultro: | then the other day, it's the first time i used a nonroot |
| [19:42:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:42:00] | defaultro: | that affected the performance |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | why would you run as root? |
| [19:42:00] | defaultro: | even sdtv was stuttering every 3 sec |
| [19:42:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:42:00] | defaultro: | because root has more priority |
| [19:42:00] | kormoc: | that's why theres the suid bit |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | you suid mythfrontend and it can run with root's priotity |
| [19:43:00] | defaultro: | i'm ok with running root since my mythtv is behind a firewall and is keyboardless |
| [19:43:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [19:43:00] | defaultro: | is it chmod 7000 ? |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | it's more for the user issues, way easier to hose a box as root :P |
| [19:43:00] | kormoc: | uhh, no, one sec.. |
| [19:44:00] | defaultro: | chmod +s |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [19:44:00] | scottder: | is there a guide to the keyboard shortcuts for controlling myth (say for changing channels while in live tv |
| [19:44:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [19:44:00] | kormoc: | scottder, keys.txt iirc |
| [19:44:00] | defaultro: | different topic. What is the advantage of having the "open card on demand" checked? |
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| [19:50:00] | scottder: | ok weird...i have channel info...stuck on channel |
| [19:50:00] | scottder: | 1 |
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| [19:52:00] | scottder: | DateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | defaultro: advantage is, other apps can use the cards when mythtv isn't using them. might also cut power consumption down a little. disadvantage... switching cards can take longer in livetv |
| [19:58:00] | scottder: | Hmmm |
| [19:58:00] | scottder: | 2006-01–29 14:58:45.300 Error, couldn't find any available channels. |
| [19:58:00] | scottder: | 2006-01–29 14:58:45.300 Your database is most likely setup incorrectly. |
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| [20:03:00] | dtm: | Captain_Murdoch: thanks |
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| [20:05:00] | scottder: | ahh i see what I had to do |
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| [20:07:00] | defaultro: | GreyFoxx, another good news. The fusion hdtv card lite i have, I'm also able to capture all analog comcast cable. :D |
| [20:07:00] | defaultro: | changing channels in analog is like less than a seconds too |
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| [20:11:00] | southerngal: | anyone here good with FC4 and lirc? |
| [20:12:00] | defaultro: | lirc issue? let's try |
| [20:12:00] | southerngal: | well i have installed via jerods instructions |
| [20:13:00] | southerngal: | and everything loads proper but when i got to test via irw i get nada |
| [20:13:00] | stanton: | haha.... irc issues... this is my first time here, and that's what I need to ask about too |
| [20:13:00] | defaultro: | doesn't get any data? |
| [20:13:00] | defaultro: | did the module load? |
| [20:13:00] | southerngal: | log/messages saw that lircd loads just fine but no data from my remote |
| [20:14:00] | stanton: | which remote? |
| [20:14:00] | defaultro: | lsmod|grep lirc |
| [20:14:00] | defaultro: | please |
| [20:14:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, if I'm intending to use HDTV, what sort of CPU would you recommend? |
| [20:14:00] | southerngal: | it also says when i load irw that lircd accepts a new client.. oh using the hauppauge 250 with black and grey |
| [20:14:00] | defaultro: | wibbit, am running Athlon 64 3000 and am very happy with HDTV |
| [20:14:00] | defaultro: | but i also have a bit powerful video card, 6600GT |
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| [20:15:00] | defaultro: | south, sorry, i built my own lirc device |
| [20:15:00] | defaultro: | i don't have any card w/ built in remote |
| [20:15:00] | scottder: | Bleh...why isn't it finding the channel info |
| [20:15:00] | wibbit: | defaultro, are you able to record one channel and play another with out any problem? |
| [20:15:00] | southerngal: | lirc_i2c 9988 0 |
| [20:15:00] | southerngal: | lirc_dev 15140 1 lirc_i2c |
| [20:15:00] | southerngal: | i2c_core 22081 9 i2c_sis96x,lirc_i2c,tda9887,msp3400,saa7115,tuner,tveeprom,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit |
| [20:15:00] | defaultro: | wibbit, yep :D |
| [20:16:00] | rav3r: | i've really messed up lirc on fc4. when i run /usr/sbin/irw nothing happens, it just goes to a prompt |
| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | one missing buddy |
| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | lirc_serial |
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| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | oh |
| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | i don't know how lirc looks like in the card |
| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | wibbit |
| [20:16:00] | Niteryder: | Anyone know why the s-video out would be displayed in black n white on my HD Tv? It works fine on a regular tv. |
| [20:16:00] | defaultro: | yes, recording 2 hd at the same time while watching is very good |
| [20:16:00] | rav3r: | how can i fix /usr/sbin/irw ? |
| [20:17:00] | scottder: | http://pastebin.ca/39056 |
| [20:17:00] | southerngal: | defaultro i am missing one? |
| [20:17:00] | wibbit: | defaultro, thanks for your input defaultro |
| [20:17:00] | defaultro: | but when mythcomflag kicks in, sometimes, playback is affected |
| [20:17:00] | defaultro: | south, mine is serial based |
| [20:17:00] | wibbit: | My only other issue is with regards to sound |
| [20:17:00] | defaultro: | so i thought you were missing lirc_serial |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | my mobo has an spdif port |
| [20:18:00] | scottder: | I'm using a PVR-150 |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | am using ALSA:digital |
| [20:18:00] | wibbit: | defaultro, do you have all of your sound piped to an external amp? |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | which is connected to my TOSLINK or optical port on my Yami receiver |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | a receiver |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | yamaha receiver |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | via optical cable |
| [20:18:00] | defaultro: | it's called TOSLINK cable |
| [20:19:00] | defaultro: | and yami is able to decode DOLBY |
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| [20:20:00] | wibbit: | how does it work with regards to normal stereo |
| [20:20:00] | Juski: | I like my Yamaha home cinema receiver... gets great DD from my Epia |
| [20:20:00] | Juski: | does stereo just great too |
| [20:20:00] | defaultro: | yami decodes it as stereo |
| [20:20:00] | defaultro: | Juski, cool |
| [20:20:00] | Todd: | anyone ever have a problem with grayscale TV out? In my BIOS and Fedora start screen, color is fine; once I get to the KDE start screen, the color is all gone! |
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| [20:20:00] | Todd: | Maybe it's a weird KDE issue? |
| [20:20:00] | Juski: | you can have the amp do some mishmash with regular stereo, but it sounds pretty tacky |
| [20:21:00] | Juski: | Todd: maybe it's a mis-configuration in your xorg.conf, not setting the video standard of the TV out |
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| [20:21:00] | wibbit: | Juski, what do you mean regarding "mishmash"? |
| [20:22:00] | Juski: | wibbit: I mean a lot of new amps have 'simulated surround' |
| [20:22:00] | defaultro: | Juski, am very happy with the hdtv card I bought. It can also capture analog cable now :D |
| [20:22:00] | Juski: | which you can use with regular stereo |
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| [20:22:00] | Juski: | but I don't.. the _straight_ setting is the best for stereo ;) |
| [20:22:00] | Juski: | Todd: Option "TVStandard" "PAL-I" |
| [20:23:00] | Juski: | Todd: or.. "NTSC" |
| [20:23:00] | wibbit: | Ahhh, gotcha, I'm not looking to do that, just wanted to know if when using the optical out, if I could have normal audio going to the amp as well. |
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| [20:23:00] | Juski: | yes you can |
| [20:23:00] | defaultro: | later guys, i need to continue on my masterbath project. BRB |
| [20:23:00] | wibbit: | As I'm intending to use just the normal onboard sound, as opposed to getting an expensive card. |
| [20:23:00] | Juski: | time to catch up with 'invasion' |
| [20:24:00] | rav3r: | when i run /sbin/service lircd start, i don't get an [OK] |
| [20:24:00] | scottder: | does the PVR-150 need an external channelchange command? |
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| [20:24:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, 2 ghz+ is the recommended speed |
| [20:24:00] | Todd: | Juski: Yeah, I'm looking at it now.. I have TVStandard set to "NTSC-M" |
| [20:26:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, I was going to go with the AMD 64, 3200 |
| [20:26:00] | kormoc: | that will work fine |
| [20:26:00] | stanton: | I have a question regarding LIRC. I have mine working, and IRW shows all the pushes, and I can poke around in mythtv with it, but when I go to livetv I might get a couple channel changes before lircd stops working |
| [20:27:00] | scottder: | darnit...why isn't this working |
| [20:27:00] | stanton: | irw will then show nothing as well. I've checked the /var/log/lircd , with debug set, and it doesn't show any issue. |
| [20:27:00] | scottder: | livetv comes up, but can't change channels |
| [20:28:00] | scottder: | 2006-01–29 15:26:38.357 Your database is most likely setup incorrectly. |
| [20:29:00] | rav3r: | ok, now when i run /usr/bin/irw i get nothing when i hit buttons. is this from a wrong conf? how do i find the right one? |
| [20:30:00] | Coume: | rav3r, what remote are u using? |
| [20:30:00] | wibbit: | How sensetive is MythTV to memory? |
| [20:30:00] | rav3r: | it is with my 150 |
| [20:30:00] | rav3r: | grey and black, contoured shape |
| [20:31:00] | stanton: | rav3r, is your lircd.conf set up for that one? |
| [20:31:00] | scottder: | ok in setup, i associated the lineup with the tuner.... |
| [20:32:00] | rav3r: | that's what i would like to know |
| [20:32:00] | rav3r: | the nae in it says hauppauge |
| [20:32:00] | rav3r: | name |
| [20:32:00] | Coume: | rav3r, http://www.mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4609 |
| [20:33:00] | Coume: | always remember that ggogle is your friend |
| [20:33:00] | rav3r: | i've googled till my fingers were sore |
| [20:33:00] | rav3r: | that's not mine |
| [20:33:00] | rav3r: | mine has a windows button in the middle of it |
| [20:33:00] | Coume: | where did u find your .conf? |
| [20:33:00] | wibbit: | Does any one have any recomendatoins for fanless powersupplies? |
| [20:34:00] | wibbit: | I was going to go with the Silverstone one |
| [20:34:00] | stanton: | I've heard of people using one config for the other remote, so I would think you'd get SOMEthing |
| [20:34:00] | Coume: | rav3r, if you use irrecord and create yours does it work then? |
| [20:34:00] | rav3r: | i tried the net first, then i did a locate for lirc.conf, and found one that said hauppauge |
| [20:35:00] | rav3r: | i might not have that |
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| [20:35:00] | coffee88: | hauppauge remotes are a pain. It always seems like there are about 10 different versions when googling..... |
| [20:35:00] | Coume: | if you can't find the right on, use irrecord, it's a 5–10mins job will save you time googling and trying wrong one... |
| [20:36:00] | rav3r: | did it come with the yum install of lirc? |
| [20:36:00] | stanton: | wibbit, I have a "super sillencer". It has a fan, but it's *very* quiet |
| [20:36:00] | scottder: | Ok when I go into channel editor it's empty |
| [20:36:00] | scottder: | but I see my channel listings under VideoSoure... |
| [20:36:00] | Coume: | rav3r, I guess but can't be sure I'm using Gentoo... |
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| [20:37:00] | stanton: | Who has a clue as to why LIVETV would make LIRC stop responding? |
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| [20:38:00] | rav3r: | locate founds a few, irrecord.c and irrecord.inc in a few different directories |
| [20:38:00] | kormoc: | Coume, so then, no, it's not the yum install of lirc, as you don't use yum :P |
| [20:38:00] | rav3r: | yum didn't find irrecord |
| [20:39:00] | rav3r: | would irrecord.c be it? |
| [20:39:00] | rav3r: | i think i found it |
| [20:40:00] | Coume: | it would be the uncompiled one indeed... |
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| [20:41:00] | Coume: | eheh kormoc |
| [20:41:00] | wibbit: | Well I hope what I've just oredered is worth it kormoc |
| [20:41:00] | wibbit: | And I still have to get the amp and speakers |
| [20:41:00] | [Elvis]: | can anyone advice me on the most basic distro to run mythtv on? |
| [20:41:00] | scottder: | wait I don't ever remember putting in the mysql DB password is that in the backend settings? |
| [20:42:00] | Coume: | [Elvis], http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65 |
| [20:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: How are you defining basic in that context ? |
| [20:43:00] | stanton: | Who has a clue as to why LIVETV would make LIRC stop responding? I've googled my heart out for days on this one |
| [20:44:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, it should be :) |
| [20:45:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, I'm still looking to build my self a nice desktop as well |
| [20:46:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, intel's dual core cpu's are really nice for desktops |
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| [20:46:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, I'm kinda partial to AMD, and as far as I can see,the latest and greatest from AMD beat the latest and greatest from Intel. |
| [20:47:00] | stanton: | AMD => cooler => quieter |
| [20:47:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, for entry level stuff, intel wins hands down. The basic intel dualcore is $250 for a proc, for amd it's $400, and they are compairable in performance. |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | and the high end is rather... half and half, depending on the tests. |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | stanton, it's not that much cooler |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | stanton, and the btx box I'm building is rather silent to be honest |
| [20:48:00] | wibbit: | kormoc, hmmm, not the impression that I had got, but I'll spend some more time looking in to it. However, I would be looking at the high end as opposed to the low end of the market |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | the fan spins at about 60 to 120 rpm |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, ahh, well, the a64 x2 4800+ is a fine processor |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | stanton, the btx fan, I can spin faster with my finger :) |
| [20:50:00] | stanton: | :) |
| [20:50:00] | wibbit: | I've got a AMD 64 3000, in my server, and I set it up and thought "bloody hell, I've broken it already" as when I turned it on the fan wasn't spinning. It was just that it was running so slow. |
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| [20:50:00] | kormoc: | wibbit, xris' wife turned off his btx box cause she couldn't hear that it was on :) |
| [20:51:00] | wibbit: | hehehe, how did he take that? |
| [20:51:00] | kormoc: | he laughed :) |
| [20:51:00] | wibbit: | there is a strange woman in my house |
| [20:51:00] | wibbit: | and I'm sitting here in my boxers |
| [20:51:00] | wibbit: | hmmmm |
| [20:51:00] | kormoc: | could be worse, you could be nude |
| [20:51:00] | wibbit: | not this time thank god |
| [20:52:00] | wibbit: | it was bad enough last time |
| [20:52:00] | laga: | and she could be hot |
| [20:52:00] | stanton: | ...and she could be a dude |
| [20:52:00] | wibbit: | my other half my get a bit narked if that was the case |
| [20:52:00] | wibbit: | hmmm, borrowing some thing |
| [20:52:00] | wibbit: | so long as it's not my TV and stereo |
| [20:52:00] | bo1: | greyfoxx: sorry it been so long but the directions on the net say that something else had it bound thats why the back end couldnt get the socket.. |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | right, a £ and a teabag, |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | They came round for A teabag |
| [20:53:00] | kormoc: | stanton, nothing wrong with that as long as s/he tells you |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | 1 |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | nota few |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | or a couple |
| [20:53:00] | wibbit: | but one |
| [20:53:00] | stanton: | no one has a clue why my livetv is making lircd choke? |
| [20:53:00] | bo1: | greyfox: and I get the error message just now when I started the backend.. |
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| [20:55:00] | scottder: | now to figure out why my souncard is so noisy |
| [20:56:00] | wibbit: | arn't soundcards meant to make noise? :) |
| [20:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | bo1: show me the error message again |
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| [20:59:00] | scottder: | In the Capture-Card section, a PVR-150 is an MPEG-2 Encoder Card, right (it only mentions the 250 and 350) |
| [20:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | scottder: yes |
| [21:04:00] | scottder: | Ok cool |
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| [21:17:00] | stanton: | for a Soundgraph iMON remote, is there a reason I should have lirc_serial, lirc_i2c, as well as lirc_dev & lirc_imon? |
| [21:18:00] | kwatz: | anyone have any ideas about why my xmame (0.97) doesn't run with sound? i've tested the roms elsewhere and they do include sound, and sound works fine in recordings and in snes9x (myth 0.18.1) |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | lirc_serial is the serial port driver, i2c is the i2c interface between lirc and the device, dev makes the dev entries, and imon is the monitor, so yes, they likely are needed |
| [21:21:00] | xris: | kormoc: that box her hers. |
| [21:22:00] | kormoc: | right. oops |
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| [21:30:00] | rav3r: | thanks for the irrecord, i just finished. should i send this conf to someone to help other people? |
| [21:32:00] | stanton: | post it! http://www.mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4609 |
| [21:33:00] | stanton: | ... with details of your specific remote of course |
| [21:33:00] | Arkkis: | hay any of you guys would not happen to have an setup like this: agp graphics card with dual monitors, pci graphics card with television |
| [21:34:00] | Arkkis: | I'm facing some problems and I'd like to hear that there's atleast one person in the world who has a similar setup |
| [21:34:00] | Arkkis: | btw, windows died with that combo, and does not boot anymore |
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| [21:38:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, I had agp card with dvi monitor and tv out, and pci card with two monitors |
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| [21:52:00] | [Elvis]: | would you guys prefer gentoo over debian for only mythtv? |
| [21:52:00] | laga: | no |
| [21:52:00] | laga: | :) |
| [21:52:00] | [Elvis]: | laga what would you prefer? |
| [21:52:00] | [Elvis]: | which distro? |
| [21:53:00] | laga: | i like debian/ubuntu. but gentoo for a mythtv-only box might work, actually. not too much software that has to be compiled then |
| [21:53:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm ubuntu..never tried that.. |
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| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | [Elvis]: Honestly the best choice is whatever distro you are most familiar with |
| [21:54:00] | laga: | good answer :) |
| [21:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise you are just making more work and learning for yourself |
| [21:55:00] | [Elvis]: | I thought I knew...but qt3 is giving me so much problems on debian sarge |
| [21:55:00] | [Elvis]: | for some reason |
| [21:55:00] | laga: | works fine for me |
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| [21:56:00] | [Elvis]: | let me give you an example |
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| [21:58:00] | [Elvis]: | when I start mythbackend...concflict in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql-non-mt.so |
| [21:58:00] | laga: | conflict? |
| [21:59:00] | [Elvis]: | yeah that's when I installed libqt3c102-mysql |
| [21:59:00] | [Elvis]: | and when I remove that I get |
| [21:59:00] | [Elvis]: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [21:59:00] | laga: | it's supposed to do that :) |
| [22:00:00] | laga: | did you install mythtv from source? |
| [22:00:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm maybe I should install libqt3c102-mt-mysql |
| [22:00:00] | [Elvis]: | yea |
| [22:00:00] | [Elvis]: | oh wee |
| [22:00:00] | laga: | try the mt one, yep |
| [22:00:00] | [Elvis]: | that helped |
| [22:00:00] | [Elvis]: | :p |
| [22:00:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [22:01:00] | [Elvis]: | hmm that was a stupid mistake.. |
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| [22:03:00] | scottder: | what causes the OSD to be only shades of grey? |
| [22:03:00] | laga: | scottder: xvmc? |
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| [22:05:00] | scottder: | yeah |
| [22:08:00] | laga: | well, xvmc is the reason. are you running svn? |
| [22:08:00] | scottder: | nope, 0.18.1 |
| [22:08:00] | scottder: | used jarods guide for FC4 |
| [22:08:00] | laga: | then there's nothing you can do about it :) |
| [22:09:00] | scottder: | Ok, that's fine as long as I know why |
| [22:09:00] | scottder: | xvmc uses my nvidia cards mpeg decoder, right? |
| [22:12:00] | [Elvis]: | finally it's fetching tv information |
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| [22:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | " |
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| [22:30:00] | defi__: | Anybody here use two pvr-150s and occasionly get video corrution while playing livetv? |
| [22:31:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, did you get twinview to work nicely? |
| [22:32:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, or what kind of setup did you use? |
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| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, I don't use twinview, I have it setup to use different screens |
| [22:32:00] | Arkkis: | so, no draggin programs to other screen? |
| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, here's my xorg without the tv setup http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf |
| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, if you enable xinerama, you can |
| [22:33:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, you don't need to use twinview to have that happen |
| [22:33:00] | defi__: | Better yet anyone use the ivtv drivers and occasionly get video corruption? |
| [22:33:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, does xinerama handle application maximizations nicely? |
| [22:34:00] | Arkkis: | (basicly I'm asking what are the major differences between the two) |
| [22:34:00] | kormoc: | Arkkis, as well as twinview does. All twinview does it allow you to use one single device section for both monitors, twinview actually just enables xinerama for the wm |
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| [22:35:00] | Arkkis: | hmm |
| [22:35:00] | kormoc: | if you want to check, just check your xorg.log and you'll see that twinview enables xinerama |
| [22:36:00] | Arkkis: | your xorg.conf does not seem to have tv configured atm |
| [22:36:00] | kormoc: | no, it doesn't |
| [22:36:00] | Arkkis: | k |
| [22:36:00] | kormoc: | I don't do tvout anymore |
| [22:36:00] | kormoc: | but it's simple to add |
| [22:37:00] | Arkkis: | k |
| [22:37:00] | Arkkis: | with my old card I got a proper tv-out signal, but with my fx 5200 pci card I get grayscaled image, with similar settings, any suggestions? |
| [22:38:00] | Arkkis: | old card being agp ti4200 |
| [22:38:00] | kormoc: | hrm. are you sure the tv type is correct? |
| [22:38:00] | kormoc: | ntsc-m/pal? |
| [22:38:00] | Arkkis: | it's the same as was with the old card, pal-b, svideo |
| [22:38:00] | kormoc: | and you have it explicitly set? |
| [22:39:00] | Arkkis: | explicitly? (sorry, english is not my major) |
| [22:39:00] | kormoc: | uhh, directly set |
| [22:39:00] | Arkkis: | Option "TVStandard" "PAL-B" |
| [22:39:00] | Arkkis: | Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" |
| [22:39:00] | Arkkis: | Option "TVOverScan" "0.0" |
| [22:39:00] | Arkkis: | like that |
| [22:39:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:40:00] | Arkkis: | then yes =) |
| [22:40:00] | kormoc: | you sure your card can output pal? :P |
| [22:40:00] | Arkkis: | uhm |
| [22:40:00] | Arkkis: | no, I'm not 100% sure |
| [22:40:00] | kormoc: | yeah, I wonder cause it's possable that it might |
| [22:41:00] | Arkkis: | (package seems to be halfbreed between pci and agp card package and the specs are minimal) |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | what brand? |
| [22:41:00] | Arkkis: | "you need to have an agp slot to inser this card into" |
| [22:41:00] | Arkkis: | gainward |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | ahh, gainward would have support for it |
| [22:42:00] | Arkkis: | gainward gf 5200 pci 128mb vga+dvi-i pro/660tv |
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| [22:46:00] | Arkkis: | kormoc, well, thanks, I'll have to check that xinerama stuff tomorrow, and maybe I'll ask about the grayscale problem on nvidia forums, G'night |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | night |
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| [22:49:00] | mchou: | hmm, 300GB seagate pata drive for $90..... |
| [22:50:00] | D-side: | nice. |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | after $50 rebate |
| [22:50:00] | D-side: | picked up a 400gb for $159 (after rebates) |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | D-side: where? |
| [22:50:00] | D-side: | from which site/store? |
| [22:50:00] | D-side: | haha, outpost |
| [22:50:00] | D-side: | aka Fry's |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | D-side: when? |
| [22:51:00] | mchou: | my deal is also from frys |
| [22:51:00] | D-side: | invoice dated 12/19 |
| [22:51:00] | D-side: | they just had the 400 up this past week, like monday. already gone though |
| [22:51:00] | D-side: | quietest damn drive i've ever owned. |
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| [22:52:00] | mchou: | yours comes out to $0.40/GB |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | mine comes out $0.30/GB |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | not counting taxes, off course...... |
| [22:52:00] | a1cypher: | For some reason, my setup when using my capture card, I see sort of reflections on the screen. Like the same image of the current video but almost invisible and shifted to the right. |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | D-side: was yours seagate as well? |
| [22:52:00] | D-side: | mchou: absolutely. |
| [22:53:00] | D-side: | i'm very happy with it. |
| [22:53:00] | a1cypher: | But it doesn't happen when I view the output from the cap card diirectly with mplayer, so I figure its something with Myth. Any ideas? |
| [22:53:00] | mchou: | D-side: you enable smart on it? |
| [22:53:00] | D-side: | it actually convinced me that seagates are the only drives to be purchased from now on |
| [22:53:00] | a1cypher: | Seagates make awesome drives |
| [22:53:00] | D-side: | 5year warranty. and yes, smart is enabled. |
| [22:53:00] | a1cypher: | I only buy seagates as well |
| [22:53:00] | a1cypher: | if I can |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | D-side: can you put the smart output in pastbin pls? |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | pastebin* |
| [22:54:00] | a1cypher: | At christmas I just bought 2 200gb SATA seagate barracuda's. |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | my 300GB is acting weird |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | for smart |
| [22:54:00] | D-side: | hang on. |
| [22:54:00] | a1cypher: | So has anybody ever had a problem like the one I mentioned? |
| [22:54:00] | mchou: | LOTS oF WRITE errors |
| [22:54:00] | D-side: | oh hell, no i dont have smartd running. hold on. |
| [22:55:00] | D-side: | i forgot, when i moved to the 400gb, i xen'ified everything. forgot to put smarttools on the hypervisor |
| [22:55:00] | mchou: | D-side: well, run it for a while....You might be (unpleasantly) surprised. |
| [22:55:00] | laga: | mchou: why is that? |
| [22:55:00] | D-side: | mchou: i'm starting to wish we never had this conversation. :/ |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | laga: mine has LOTS of write errors (coorected by ECC) |
| [22:56:00] | laga: | oh :/ |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | corrected* |
| [22:56:00] | mchou: | virtually every write operation is fubar |
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| [22:56:00] | mchou: | well, according to SMART |
| [22:57:00] | a1cypher: | I am so smart.. smrt |
| [22:57:00] | mchou: | I noticed it the first day I bought the darn drive. |
| [22:57:00] | mchou: | as soon as I turned smart on. |
| [22:57:00] | a1cypher: | what is smart? |
| [22:57:00] | mchou: | could be smart is fubar, I dunno. |
| [22:58:00] | D-side: | ugh. lets have a look |
| [22:59:00] | D-side: | i think that might be it. |
| [22:59:00] | D-side: | Device is: Not in smartctl database |
| [22:59:00] | D-side: | i dont know how much faith i'm going to put in this |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | D-side: in your case you might need to upgrade to latest smart |
| [22:59:00] | a1cypher: | Do you think it could be overscan settings that are causing that shadow thing? |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | mine is in db |
| [22:59:00] | mchou: | but then it's a 300GB |
| [23:00:00] | mchou: | 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 062 057 000 Old_age Always – 79769316 |
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| [23:01:00] | mchou: | that's fubar. |
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| [23:01:00] | mchou: | 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 084 060 030 Pre-fail Always – 288752158 |
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| [23:01:00] | mchou: | 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 062 057 006 Pre-fail Always – 79769316 |
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| [23:01:00] | mchou: | that's pretty f'ed up. |
| [23:02:00] | D-side: | 93545755 here. |
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| [23:02:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:02:00] | mchou: | t's fubar |
| [23:02:00] | mchou: | it's* |
| [23:03:00] | mchou: | Damn seagate doesnt provide their own smart tools either. |
| [23:03:00] | mchou: | if I had that I could at least sanity check |
| [23:04:00] | mchou: | and all the seagates are now made in china now, where I am extremely dubious re quality control...... |
| [23:06:00] | mchou: | D-side: http://pastebin.com/529563 |
| [23:08:00] | mchou: | ok, I meant read instead of write earlier |
| [23:11:00] | kormoc: | power on hours: 4851, raw read error rate: 0, seek error rate: 0 |
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| [23:11:00] | ** kormoc likes western digital ** | |
| [23:11:00] | D-side: | looks about the same. |
| [23:12:00] | D-side: | mchou: http://pastebin.com/529576 |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | D-side: sigh..... |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | maybe SMART(SW) is fubar |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | D-side: you have 1 ERROR count already :) |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | not good |
| [23:13:00] | D-side: | i dont want to think about it. :D |
| [23:14:00] | mchou: | lol, go ahead and bury your head in the sand :) |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | mchou, D-side have you guys ran a long smart off-line test? |
| [23:14:00] | D-side: | mchou: you got it. |
| [23:14:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I have |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | does it come back clean? |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | yup, mine comes back clean, but I wanna know what the seek/read attributes are all about :) |
| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | the read are ones where it can't read on the first pass, but on the next few, it can |
| [23:15:00] | kormoc: | not sure about the seek ones |
| [23:15:00] | mchou: | getting a "clean" bitt of health from smart doesnt mean drive is performing optimally :) |
| [23:16:00] | mchou: | bill* |
| [23:17:00] | mchou: | it's just means that it hasn't FAILED |
| [23:17:00] | mchou: | which is not exactly an endorsement |
| [23:17:00] | kormoc: | well, the self tests are attempts to detect issues that will turn fatal in the future |
| [23:18:00] | mchou: | a seek/read failure (but correctable via ECC) is not considered "fatal" |
| [23:18:00] | mchou: | but it hardly means that the drive is functioning correctly and speedily |
| [23:19:00] | mchou: | why the hell do I need to pay a penalty to read twice? |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | cause you bought seagate? :P |
| [23:20:00] | mchou: | and seagate bought maxtor |
| [23:20:00] | mchou: | shit all around |
| [23:21:00] | mchou: | maybe I got my panties all in a bunch |
| [23:21:00] | mchou: | but goddamn seagate at least ought to provide their own smart tools |
| [23:21:00] | mchou: | mofos |
| [23:23:00] | mchou: | and the shit WD I bought long time ago has some hidden sectors... I forget what the correct terminology is. WD is crappy too. |
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| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | all hard drives have 'hidden' sectors to automatically remap bad block to |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | those aren't the sectors used for sector sparing.... |
| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | it's part of the spec now a days. |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | the ones I'm talking about |
| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | ooh? what ones are you talking about? |
| [23:24:00] | mchou: | like I said, I forget the terminology |
| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | what are they used for? |
| [23:25:00] | mchou: | but those WD guys are mofos too |
| [23:26:00] | mchou: | apparently has some code to allow drive to boot even if there is no boot sector or some such thing |
| [23:26:00] | kormoc: | that gets removed on format, or it's suposto |
| [23:26:00] | mchou: | and it's not ontrack or whatever that I'm talking about.... |
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| [23:27:00] | kormoc: | the modified helpful windows boot loader? |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | not the track 63 offset or whatever |
| [23:27:00] | mchou: | I dont think it's the windows boot loader |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | you're not talking the diaginostic firmware loader they put on some of their enterprise level drives? |
| [23:28:00] | mchou: | kormoc: nope, this is hardly enterprise. This is relatively low on the totem pole |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | which drive is it? |
| [23:28:00] | mchou: | caviar, not special edition |
| [23:28:00] | mchou: | 120GB |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | I have two of them |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | I dont use it any more |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | pice of crap |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | piece* |
| [23:29:00] | kormoc: | ooh? I get a nice 40 megs/sec or so off of them |
| [23:29:00] | kormoc: | rather speedy for what they are |
| [23:29:00] | mchou: | lol, only if they are at the correct patition boundaries :) |
| [23:30:00] | mchou: | or the right sectors :) |
| [23:30:00] | kormoc: | that souldn't affect them at all |
| [23:30:00] | kormoc: | explain? |
| [23:31:00] | mchou: | depending on which OS you boot, some honor this "service sector" and some don't. Screwed up drive geometry if you dual boot |
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| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | there's no mention of this in any of their docs, and I havn't run into it myself... |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | oh, trust me, it's there. plenty of ppl aware of this in linuxland. |
| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | links? |
| [23:32:00] | mchou: | dmesg even tells you |
| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | where? |
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| [23:33:00] | mchou: | in dmesg, that's where. |
| [23:33:00] | kormoc: | where in dmesg? |
| [23:33:00] | mchou: | where the drive geometries get determined |
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| [23:34:00] | kormoc: | looks exactly correct |
| [23:34:00] | mchou: | I no longer use that drive, but otherwise I'd point out the exact lines in dmesg |
| [23:35:00] | mchou: | ahh, it's called HPA..... |
| [23:36:00] | mchou: | Host Protected Areas. |
| [23:36:00] | mchou: | fsck bullshit |
| [23:36:00] | mchou: | WD put one on my drive. |
| [23:37:00] | mchou: | "As a review, an HPA is an area of the hard disk that vendors can use to store support data and it can also be used to hide data from an investigator. The sectors in an HPA are located after the sectors that a user can access." |
| [23:38:00] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | erm |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/39073 |
| [23:39:00] | kormoc: | doesn't look like my vendor (newegg) put that on my drive |
| [23:39:00] | mchou: | not all WD drives have them |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | well, yeah, as it says the vendor puts it on there |
| [23:40:00] | mchou: | I've got 4 other 120GBs that dont have them |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | so likely it's whoever you got that drive from |
| [23:40:00] | mchou: | I got that drive retail |
| [23:40:00] | mchou: | not oem |
| [23:40:00] | mchou: | as with all my drives |
| [23:41:00] | mchou: | I dont buy oem drives |
| [23:41:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [23:41:00] | Juski: | hard drives keep a lot of information you know.. I mean about themselves. It's got to go somewhere |
| [23:42:00] | kormoc: | Juski, that's why they have flash memory :) |
| [23:42:00] | mchou: | Juski: sure, but in this case I think WD did it cause they had bad sectors |
| [23:42:00] | Juski: | and firmware isn't quite as 'firm' as you might think.. there's low level system stuff but some drives actually have the operating software _on_ the disk |
| [23:42:00] | kormoc: | HPA is for 3ed party vendors, for like dell to put recovery tools on |
| [23:42:00] | mchou: | they "premapped" it out |
| [23:43:00] | kormoc: | mchou, that's what the spare sectors is for, to do what you're sudgesting would take more time then it's worth for a drive |
| [23:43:00] | mchou: | kormoc: in theory it's for 3rd party, but WD put one on mine |
| [23:43:00] | Juski: | can't you just low-level format em using the manufacturer's utilities? |
| [23:43:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I have "proof" that's what they did. |
| [23:43:00] | kormoc: | in what way? |
| [23:43:00] | Juski: | I know of a few different reasons not to buy WD drives anyway |
| [23:44:00] | kormoc: | Juski, no, as HPA is a firmware setting that won't allow it |
| [23:44:00] | kormoc: | Juski, such as? |
| [23:44:00] | mchou: | Juski: why would I want to do that if the sectors are marginal to begin with? |
| [23:44:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you can blank HPA |
| [23:45:00] | kormoc: | only if you change the flag, in theory |
| [23:45:00] | kormoc: | it's part of the ATA-5 spec |
| [23:45:00] | Juski: | such as... here's a good one... not following the ATA spec for PIO mode accesses, for one (only found on one drive model.. wd3200RE) |
| [23:45:00] | kormoc: | (which means all hard drive manfacturers do it right now) |
| [23:45:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you can blank HPA with a tool called disk_sreset |
| [23:45:00] | kormoc: | Juski, all of their RE drives don't follow the PIO mode access, it's why they are Raid edition drives, that's the entire point of them I beleive |
| [23:46:00] | Juski: | kormoc: no, it was more fundamental than that |
| [23:46:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you know there is a manu labe on every disk drive..... |
| [23:46:00] | mchou: | label* |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | like not giving an interrupt after it'd done part of a write multiple command |
| [23:47:00] | mchou: | kormoc: I'm looking at the crappy drive now.... |
| [23:47:00] | kormoc: | Juski, hrm. Isn't that a prat of NCQ? to reorder writes and iterrupt only when more data is needed? |
| [23:47:00] | mchou: | kormoc: and it says: "Drive Parameter: LBA 234375000" |
| [23:47:00] | Juski: | turned out to be a firmware bug they still don't seem to be rushing a fix out to us for |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | mchou, and that's wrong? |
| [23:48:00] | Juski: | kormoc: NCQ has nothing to do with PIO mode |
| [23:48:00] | kormoc: | Juski, NCQ is above PIO mode |
| [23:49:00] | mchou: | kormoc: my other WD 120GB drives (same model) has different (slightly higher) drive parameters. |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | odd... |
| [23:49:00] | mchou: | kormoc: so that's proof WD messed with it |
| [23:49:00] | Juski: | kormoc: above, as in came later.. and PATA drives don't have it do they? |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | RMA it |
| [23:49:00] | mchou: | not some other 3rd party |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | Juski, hrm, one moment |
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| [23:50:00] | mchou: | Juski: drives are full of firmware bugs. I worked at HP and even for us they didnt jump on it :) |
| [23:50:00] | mchou: | so dont feel bad :) |
| [23:50:00] | kormoc: | Juski, you are correct, the pata re1's don't have ncq |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | mchou, heh, when I worked at HP, they had a 25% failure rate |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | on everything |
| [23:51:00] | mchou: | HP where? |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | I just think hp gets the short end of the stick from everyone |
| [23:51:00] | Juski: | we don't feel bad.. we just dropped them |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | mchou, HP tech, Bank of America upgrade project |
| [23:51:00] | Juski: | thing is.. that leaves 'us' stuck with maxtor |
| [23:52:00] | mchou: | Juski: lol |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | Juski, maxtor is now a part of seagate |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | I know |
| [23:52:00] | Juski: | won't be any changes in products for a while yet though |
| [23:53:00] | Juski: | I'm actually quite happy with maxtor drives.. never had any issues personally. and as far as my workplace's business goes.. we get lower returns rates than their quoted specs |
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| [23:54:00] | mchou: | Juski: maxtor drives run hotter than drives from other manufacturers (for the same capacity) |
| [23:54:00] | Juski: | but if end users have issues, it's not necessarily maxtor's fault. many a time I've refused a hard drive I've bought because some clumsy assistant just plonked it on the desk |
| [23:54:00] | mchou: | and heat is generally bad for drives |
| [23:54:00] | Juski: | mchou: not as hot as Hitachi/IBM though |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | mchou: I know. for every 5'C above the max recommended operating temp, take 10% off its lifespan |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | Juski, I kicked a running Seagate across the room (accident) once |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | no damage done |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | except to the drywall :) |
| [23:55:00] | laga: | Beirdo: i fell over a running maxtor once – died immediately. ;) |
| [23:55:00] | Juski: | lucky any drive survived that |
| [23:55:00] | Beirdo: | you breathe on a Maxtor, it dies |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | bollocks |
| [23:56:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, that drive is still in service too |
| [23:56:00] | Juski: | I've got a 40GB maxtor drive I accidentally fried in an environmental chamber... buggerred up the test program & it ramped to 90'C and ran for 2 days. still in use |
| [23:56:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:57:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [23:57:00] | Juski: | that was erm... 3 years ago |
| [23:57:00] | Beirdo: | you musta got the one in the 99th percentile that actually works :) |
| [23:58:00] | Juski: | the thing to remember, I reckon, is that if any manufacturer was as crap as _anybody_ says, they'd be out of business in no time |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | funny, Fujistu's still making drives |
| [23:58:00] | Beirdo: | they are by FAR the shittiest drives I've encountered |
| [23:58:00] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | when I worked at Sun we swapped out a hell of a lot of theirs and HP disks |
| [23:59:00] | mchou: | I agree. Fujitsu sucks big time |
| [23:59:00] | Beirdo: | Fushitsu drives. ick |
| [23:59:00] | Beirdo: | Maxtor at least has the Quantum line |
| [23:59:00] | Juski: | I've been promised a visit to a HDD production plant some time to see how they test |
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