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Friday, January 27th, 2006, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] scottder: Is XFS still the recommend FS for holding data for MythTV (not using RAID or LVM)
[00:02:00] Juski: nobody recommends a particular FS
[00:02:00] Juski: officially
[00:03:00] Juski: after hearing horror stories of XFS corruption due to power-outs I'd avoid it myself. JFS or ext3 are popular.. 'long' file deletion times aren't much of an issue IMHO
[00:04:00] xpis: XFS can't restore from a poweroff correctly?
[00:04:00] Chutt: i've never had my xfs partition corrupted in several years of it being my video storage partition for myth.
[00:04:00] Chutt: and the power here sucks.
[00:05:00] Juski: fair enough.. just going by anecdotal evidence
[00:06:00] ole_schoola: "/usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.0.2/../../../../lib64/libasound.a(error.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC"
[00:06:00] Juski: some people must just be totally unlucky, then
[00:06:00] ole_schoola: arrrgh, now i might be in over my head
[00:06:00] Juski: .. or the other.. ;-)
[00:06:00] ole_schoola: "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.0.2/../../../../lib64/libasound.a: could not read symbols: Bad value"
[00:07:00] Ediehow: hey xris
[00:07:00] Ediehow: u there?
[00:07:00] Ediehow: i used nuvexport to make an xvid .avi file
[00:07:00] Ediehow: i can do that to a dvd, rite?
[00:07:00] ole_schoola: i haven't the fogiest idear on how to TS past these errors
[00:07:00] xpis: Chutt: do you have any updated ETA on the official release?
[00:08:00] Juski: stop hounding him & it might happen faster
[00:11:00] Juski: ole_schoola: if I had a clue... but no it looks like you're in over my head aswell (not that it takes much)
[00:13:00] Chutt: when all the major bugs are fixed.
[00:13:00] xris: Ediehow: you can burn whatever you want to a dvd.. but most dvd players won't play it.
[00:13:00] ** xris loves vague programmer answers **
[00:13:00] xris: Chutt: "soon"
[00:13:00] Ediehow: xris,
[00:13:00] Ediehow: oh, so you recommend export to dvd w/ure prog ifi want to make a dvd?
[00:13:00] Chutt: well
[00:14:00] Chutt: when all the major bugs are fixed, and i don't feel like delaying it just out of spite after that
[00:14:00] xris: if you want to make a dvd playable in a dvd player that can't do divx, then you need to use the dvd export mode, yes.
[00:14:00] xris: Chutt: yes, yours was fairly specific as far as vague answers go
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[00:15:00] swarm_: spite is a beautiful thing
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[00:16:00] xris: swarm_: depends on whether it's coming from or directed at you.
[00:22:00] Chutt: hmm
[00:22:00] Chutt: $471 for another 20" lcd to match what i have
[00:26:00] Baylink: That's *cheap*.
[00:26:00] xris: I just paid $340 for a 19"
[00:26:00] xris: extra inch wasn't worth that much to me. heh
[00:27:00] Chutt: the resolution difference is more important than the extra inch
[00:27:00] xris: ahh
[00:27:00] Chutt: what's that 19" at?
[00:27:00] xris: 1600x1200 is too big for me on anything less than 21"
[00:27:00] xris: 1280x1024
[00:27:00] xris: 8ms, dvi
[00:27:00] Chutt: it's a lcd, it just gets sharper :p
[00:27:00] Baylink: Yeah; I'm running 1280 on my 20" CRT, and it's nice.
[00:27:00] xris: Chutt: and the fonts/icons get smaller
[00:28:00] Baylink: Hey, did I gather correctly that MythBurn was included in this release?
[00:28:00] Chutt: you make the fonts bigger and turn on subpixel rendering
[00:28:00] Chutt: Baylink, err, no.
[00:28:00] Baylink: Ok.
[00:28:00] xris: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . tCode=232399
[00:28:00] Baylink: Something I read somewhere implied, but I don't remember where.
[00:28:00] xris: plus $12 for a dvi cable
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[00:28:00] xris: Baylink: btw, you forgot to submit a mythweb bug you mentioned finding
[00:29:00] Baylink: I've also forgotten to characterise it. It was fairly trivial (something like no easy way to delete an override if you delete the schedule it overrides first.)
[00:29:00] xpis: hm.. Could a "default video settings" option be added to mythtv-setup? Currently, to change video settings in mass, one must either use mysql or go through and change the settings for each channel. Some video drivers are such that the default setting is wrong. (mainly newer conexant framegrabber chips)
[00:31:00] xpis: Per-channel settings would then override the master values.
[00:31:00] sphery: xpis: MythWeb channel settings...
[00:32:00] xris: Baylink: not just hitting "default"? but that sounds like equally an issue with the frontend
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[00:33:00] kormoc: scared him off with that one
[00:33:00] scottder: .
[00:33:00] sphery: guess so
[00:35:00] xris: heh
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[00:51:00] swarm_: is anyone here using ivtv 0.4.
[00:51:00] swarm_: 0.4.2 that is
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[01:00:00] sean33: hi
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[01:08:00] ** Juski has just 'discovered' archive.org **
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[01:13:00] sean33: i seem to be having issues but have no idea at this point where to start to describe them
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[01:14:00] sean33: have been tring to get this working for the last week and still having problems
[01:14:00] ole_schoola: start with describing what won't work
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[01:19:00] sean33: well im kinda having problems geting it going , i manualy load and unload modules , eventualy I have got a little bit working but seems all sugestions for whats in the /etc/modprobe.conf that ive read seem to have errors for instance if i add the line " options cx25840 i2c_enable=1 no_black_magic=1 "
[01:19:00] scottder: 0.4.2 fixed issues with the PVR-150, right?
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[01:20:00] ** Juski thinks "what pvr150 issues ?" **
[01:20:00] sean33: i get errors saying " unknown parameter i2c_enable " an unknown parameter no_black_magic
[01:20:00] sean33: i have a pvr-150 and i have nothing but lots of issues
[01:20:00] Juski: lirc issues?
[01:21:00] scottder: sean33: what version ivtv are you running?
[01:21:00] sean33: version 0.4.2 (tagged release) loading
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[01:22:00] scottder: what kind of issues do you have?
[01:23:00] sean33: problems with the /etc/modprobe.conf and what should be in it , loading sequence of modules ... cant change channels ...
[01:24:00] sean33: i have got around the change channel by using the external command ivtv-tune -f command
[01:24:00] sean33: but I dont think thats the way to do it is it ?
[01:25:00] sean33: and how do i change encoder firmware ?
[01:25:00] sean33: i get this message .. ivtv0 warning: Encoder Firmware can be buggy, use version 0x02040011 or 0x02050032.
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[01:30:00] swarm_: i think there might be a bug in 0.4.2 read this //www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/3030184.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ivtv-de . . . 3030184.html
[01:31:00] swarm_: I put different firmware in, and now when i load mythbackend I get SetColourAttribute() error and i cant even cat an mpg
[01:31:00] swarm_: but i dont have the firmware warning in the log anymore
[01:31:00] swarm_: not to mention I had that error with the other firmware too
[01:31:00] sean33: swarm_ how did you update the firmware ?
[01:32:00] sean33: swarm_ i had that issue its loading modules in the wrong order that caused it
[01:32:00] scottder: Oooh. my wife would love Myth recipe
[01:32:00] sean33: swarm_ u have a PVR-150 too ?
[01:32:00] swarm_: yea
[01:33:00] sean33: swarm_ maybe we can help eachother then
[01:33:00] swarm_: mythtv used to work.. I was running the 4.0.0 ivtv driver
[01:33:00] swarm_: but I had to get new hardware and rebuild it
[01:34:00] swarm_: you can grab the firmware from http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[01:34:00] sean33: swarm what distro u using ?
[01:34:00] swarm_: rc4
[01:34:00] sean33: same
[01:35:00] sean33: and PAL or NTSC setup ?
[01:35:00] swarm_: im thinking i might roll back to the 0.4.0 driver and see if that fixes it
[01:35:00] swarm_: ntsc
[01:35:00] xanderp: I've just finished installing a stand-alone frontend on gentoo. I can get the thing to launch mythfrontend, but when i try to watch a program from my backend the screen goes black and the only way i can recover is to ssh in from another machine and reboot it. Where to start?
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[01:38:00] nasa: Hi guys, I am trying to see if my pvr-500 is screwed or not... I talked to the tech support at haug. and they asked me to update drivers & install wintv2000 (under win2k), which I have done. But I couldn't tell how to switch between tuners... Does anyone have any ideas how to do that?
[01:38:00] sean33: swarm i think your missing loading one of the modules
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[01:39:00] swarm_: in modprobe.conf?
[01:40:00] sean33: swarm are you loading the modules manualy or with a script ?
[01:41:00] swarm_: just loading whats in the modprobe
[01:42:00] sean33: show me your modprobe
[01:43:00] swarm_: its in the pm
[01:43:00] sean33: i havent got it
[01:44:00] swarm_: eh?
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[01:44:00] sean33: theres nothgin in the pm
[01:44:00] swarm_: i just typed back
[01:44:00] swarm_: thats odd
[01:44:00] sean33: still nothing
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[01:45:00] swarm_: http://pastebin.ca/38749
[01:47:00] scottder: what distro are you guys using?
[01:47:00] sean33: fc4
[01:47:00] GreyFoxx: Slackware
[01:47:00] xanderp: gentoo
[01:48:00] swarm_: fc4
[01:48:00] NightMonkey: gentoo
[01:48:00] swarm_: sean33 you see the pastetbin?
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[01:48:00] sean33: yep
[01:49:00] swarm_: I dont think im missing anything? but even running ivtvctl -a gives me hue errors
[01:49:00] sean33: not loading cx25840 , msp3400
[01:49:00] swarm_: ioctl: VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL
[01:49:00] swarm_: error getting ctrl Brightness
[01:49:00] swarm_: error getting ctrl Contrast
[01:49:00] swarm_: error getting ctrl Saturation
[01:49:00] swarm_: error getting ctrl Hue
[01:49:00] swarm_: I thought those didnt need to be loaded anymore
[01:49:00] sean33: unload ivtv
[01:50:00] swarm_: done
[01:50:00] sean33: modprobe msp3400
[01:50:00] sean33: modprobe cx25840
[01:50:00] sean33: modprobe ivtv
[01:50:00] sean33: then try
[01:50:00] sean33: modprobe ivtv debug=1
[01:51:00] sean33: may help
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[01:51:00] lupin_sansei: How does Mythtv get the EPG? Does it scrape websites or something?
[01:51:00] Kelerion: either gets it from xmltv, your dvb card or from a zap2it account
[01:51:00] swarm_: still erroring on the ivtvcl -a
[01:52:00] lupin_sansei: is DVB good enough for that?
[01:52:00] Kelerion: yes
[01:52:00] lupin_sansei: cool
[01:52:00] Kelerion: loads of people (including those in Aus) do it that way
[01:52:00] lupin_sansei: I am in Australia
[01:52:00] lupin_sansei: excellent
[01:53:00] sean33: im in australia too
[01:53:00] Agrajag-: no, dvb is crap in .au for getting guide info
[01:53:00] lupin_sansei: What's wrong with it?
[01:53:00] Agrajag-: you'll want http://immir.com/tv_grab_au that or the oztivo one
[01:53:00] Agrajag-: it doesn't have much info
[01:53:00] Agrajag-: only now and next i think
[01:53:00] lupin_sansei: ok
[01:54:00] ** nasa wonders if anyone can put him on the right path.... **
[01:54:00] lupin_sansei: Agrajag-: thanks. So that is a good epg for mythtv is it?
[01:55:00] lupin_sansei: Agrajag-: I looked at that ice tv one, but you have to pay for it
[01:55:00] Agrajag-: yeah.. this one is great
[01:56:00] lupin_sansei: just looked at the source. So it scrapes the actual channel's website
[01:57:00] Agrajag-: ninemsn yeah
[01:57:00] lupin_sansei: What linux distro do you recommend for a new box to be used for Mythtv?
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[01:57:00] Agrajag-: whatever you know how to use
[01:57:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[01:57:00] Agrajag-: i use debian and found it extremely easy
[01:58:00] GreyFoxx: Whatever are most comfortable and knowledgable with
[01:58:00] lupin_sansei: I know linux somewhat from a lot of Red Hat use back in 2002, but I haven't use it much apart from shell access since then
[01:58:00] NightMonkey: lupin_sansei: And if you don't know how to use one, try knoppmyth. And then get familliar with Debian.
[01:58:00] lupin_sansei: ok. knoppmyth is tempting due to the ease of setting up
[01:58:00] ** nasa is still trying to determine if his pvr-500 is screwed (or it's me that's messed up) **
[01:59:00] swarm_: sean33 its loading the module okay, i check dmesg
[01:59:00] swarm_: checked that is
[01:59:00] lupin_sansei: thanks for that
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[02:00:00] swarm_: http://pastebin.ca/38752
[02:01:00] NightMonkey: For the record, you just saw a Gentoo user recommend a Debian-descendant. ;)
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[02:06:00] sean33: swarm try this modprobe i2c-algo-bit
[02:07:00] sean33: swarm .. reload ivtv
[02:07:00] sean33: better ?
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[02:09:00] sean33: swarm_ ??
[02:10:00] swarm_: yea
[02:10:00] swarm_: sorry
[02:10:00] sean33: unload ivtv
[02:10:00] swarm_: damn
[02:10:00] swarm_: ivtvctl works now
[02:11:00] swarm_: wait
[02:11:00] swarm_: n/m
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[02:15:00] ole_schoola: the suspense is killing me ;)
[02:16:00] swarm_: suspense?
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[02:17:00] emes: someone forgot to tell netcat that my network is too slow to stream video
[02:18:00] sPiN: howdy all, i seem to have screwed the pooch somehow, im running the svn of Mythtv from a few days ago, everything was working great and now i get this when i try to watch tv, http://patebin.com/525031
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[02:19:00] Kyler: scottder: (Sorry,I had to leave for awhile.) I got my Belkin USB 802.11g adapter at OfficeMax.
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[02:20:00] ole_schoola: swarm: did it work?
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[02:22:00] swarm_: sean33 using lsmod I can see that all the modules load with the modprobe ivtv command
[02:22:00] swarm_: nope
[02:23:00] swarm_: but all the things he said to load seperately all seem to load with modprobe ivtv
[02:24:00] Kelerion: patebin? is that some kinda of spread?
[02:25:00] scottder: Kyler, actually I found a PCI Belkin card for a good price, but thanks :)
[02:25:00] sPiN: DOH
[02:25:00] sPiN: http://pastebin.com/525031
[02:25:00] Kelerion: are you using some kind of mount for your store?
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[02:26:00] sPiN: nope, it is actually my / partition
[02:26:00] swarm_: chmod ?
[02:26:00] Kelerion: and does that file exist?
[02:26:00] sPiN: that file it is looking for is definitely not in there though
[02:26:00] Kelerion: "touch" it.. and see what happens
[02:26:00] sPiN: k
[02:26:00] awb4422: i was wondering if anyone is using an hd3000 and has had success with certain remotes?
[02:27:00] awb4422: my hauppauge remote is no good, or my receiver i dont know..
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[02:29:00] sPiN: swarm_: its 777 and the dir is owned by my user, and mythbackend is running as root
[02:29:00] sPiN: awb4422: there was a new lirc release a few days ago, also the new ivtv driver from a few days before that had a fix for the hauppauge remote, mine works great now
[02:30:00] Kelerion: sPiN: any luck?
[02:30:00] sPiN: Kelerion: that didnt work, when i do that it creates the file, but when i go back to watch tv, it is looking for a new file
[02:30:00] awb4422: oh – im running knoppmyth r5a26, couldnt get r5a30.1 to work..so i imagine im running older stuff
[02:30:00] scottder: anyone playing aac/m4a files in Myth?
[02:31:00] awb4422: sPiN: what versions are you running of each, and do you use the hauppauge grey remote?
[02:31:00] Kelerion: Spin: enough hd space?
[02:31:00] Juski: hi Kelerion
[02:31:00] Kelerion: hey Juski
[02:31:00] sPiN: Kelerion: 15GB free
[02:31:00] Kelerion: sPiN: dunno then.. sorry
[02:31:00] sPiN: awb4422: .4.2 of ivtv and .8 of lirc
[02:31:00] swarm_: no extra / in the mythtvsetup right?
[02:32:00] awb4422: k thx, i will check it out
[02:32:00] swarm_: for the record and the buffer directories
[02:32:00] Kelerion: Juski: did a reinstall of ubuntu.. and I *think* I have it running right now.. just compiling myth again to see what happens
[02:32:00] Kelerion: is there a way to see if xvmc support is running in X?
[02:32:00] sean33: swarm how did you upgrade the firmware to " Encoder revision: 0x02050032 "
[02:32:00] sPiN: swarm_: nope, i acutally had that before though and things worked fine
[02:33:00] ** sPiN resorts to debug level **
[02:33:00] Kelerion: sPiN: good plan
[02:33:00] swarm_: huh, i did that once and it wouldnt work
[02:33:00] Juski: Kelerion: cool
[02:34:00] Juski: Kelerion: do ... erm...
[02:34:00] swarm_: sean33 the firmware is actually just a file
[02:34:00] Juski: xdpyinfo |grep xvmc
[02:34:00] Kelerion: bugger.. nuffin.. lol
[02:35:00] Juski: case might be wrong.. grep's picky about that I think
[02:35:00] swarm_: sean33 I just downloaded the zip files from http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware and put them in the appropriate directory the md5sum'd them to make sure they matched
[02:35:00] Kelerion: I *know* – I found that out the hard way.. lol
[02:35:00] Juski: just spent the best part of 2 hours trying to put a QT button colour right.. still not found the line where it's set
[02:36:00] Kelerion: it *does mention XVideo-MotionCompensation" – which I know is what it stands for... but it's always said that
[02:36:00] Juski: so erm.. that's good innit?
[02:36:00] Kelerion: ya'd think so
[02:36:00] Juski: unless it's not linked to the nvidia xvmc library
[02:37:00] Juski: don't ask me how to do that though
[02:37:00] Kelerion: but.. that could just mean it knows it's there.. might not mean it's actually using it
[02:37:00] sPiN: well the -v all didnt give me any good info :(
[02:37:00] Juski: if it's any consolation I spend a good couple of nights trying to get xvmc working... then I realised it won't work on the card I was trying :-/
[02:38:00] Juski: anyway... 'tis Friday...
[02:38:00] Juski: night all
[02:38:00] sPiN: 'select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding' is in my mythbackend window when i try to watch live tv.. i cant imagine what has changed i havent touched mythtv all day... i recorded a program at 12 today and it is fine
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[02:38:00] Kelerion: well.. am presuming it does on mine because it's an mx440.. which is what laga has.. *but*.. I figure theres lots of mx440 variants
[02:39:00] Kelerion: sPiN: tried rebooting it?
[02:39:00] sPiN: certainly
[02:39:00] Kelerion: might have got it's knickers in a twist (technical term)
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[02:41:00] mortal5: howdy folks, I'm looking for the best way to encode my video
[02:41:00] mortal5: I've seen some amazing stuff done w xvid, but I can't get results as good as them
[02:41:00] Kelerion: mplayer handles xvmc right? or do you need to compile it specially?
[02:42:00] ** Kelerion checks on it **
[02:43:00] Kelerion: special compile
[02:43:00] nasa: Hi guys, I am trying to see if my pvr-500 is screwed or not... I talked to the tech support at haug. and they asked me to update drivers & install wintv2000 (under win2k), which I have done. But I couldn't tell how to switch between tuners... Does anyone have any ideas how to do that?
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[02:46:00] swarm_: sean33 using versio 0.4.0 of ivtv solved the hue problems etcc..
[02:47:00] Kelerion: for some strange reason.. I've never even considered download the nv driver from nvidia.com.. have always got it from apt-get.. lol
[02:48:00] xanderp: ok, i'm just too sick and tired of not having my frontend working to care anymore... anyone here run an epia M10000 frontend box on gentoo that can ssh into my machine and help me? It locks up when i try to get video to play on the frontend box.
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[02:51:00] scottder: Anyone have a link for the stuff coming in 0.19
[02:53:00] sPiN: scottder: im running the svn and i see nothing new
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[02:56:00] scottder: never mind...found it :)
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[02:59:00] Kelerion: theres tons of things new in .19
[02:59:00] swarm_: is the browse channel mode going to make it?
[02:59:00] emes: scottder: what's the link?
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[03:00:00] ole_schoola: yeah, this chan get logged by a bot
[03:01:00] jnunez: How powerful of a cpu do I need for Firewire capture?
[03:01:00] ole_schoola: firewire capture is just shuffling the already digital data, not much
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[03:02:00] mchou: jnunez: probably not much more than what's required by a 100mbs network card :)
[03:02:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: So a 1GHz should be ok?
[03:03:00] mchou: jnunez: most likely
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[03:03:00] ole_schoola: yeah, but compile times will be longer
[03:03:00] jnunez: mchou: Thanks!
[03:03:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: Thanks too!
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[03:04:00] a1fa: hi
[03:04:00] scottder: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.19
[03:04:00] a1fa: my 2nd tuner is not working
[03:05:00] ole_schoola: thx scottder, and i knew to look around there (duh)
[03:05:00] a1fa: i get this error
[03:05:00] a1fa: Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll
[03:05:00] a1fa: when i try to use mplayer
[03:06:00] mchou: a1fa: that's not a tuner issue
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[03:08:00] sPiN: grr i have made no headway on this problem... i tried clear mythtv-setup and resetting everything in there, and still the same error
[03:08:00] sPiN: http://pastebin.com/525031
[03:09:00] ** ole_schoola thrashes out with frustration **
[03:09:00] ole_schoola: 5 freakin hours to find alsa-lib-devel a version back, grrrrrrr
[03:10:00] ole_schoola: i'm better now — hadda vent
[03:11:00] scottder: hehe
[03:12:00] jnunez: Anyone have a good suggestion for a wireless keyboard?
[03:12:00] sPiN: what is it cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg to see if you can cap at all?
[03:12:00] Kelerion: ole_schoola: why not just download it from alsa's site? ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/
[03:15:00] scottder: Hopefully my Chaintech AV-710 won't be too much of a pain
[03:17:00] ole_schoola: already brought up to date
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[03:17:00] ole_schoola: mythtv just compiled first time on this amd64 — wow, that's fast!
[03:18:00] Kelerion: evening xris
[03:18:00] ole_schoola: really fast compared to the XPmobile i ran before
[03:19:00] sean33: mythtv is such a pain to setup i wonder is it realy worth it
[03:19:00] ole_schoola: yes it is, just keep pluggin away at it
[03:20:00] ole_schoola: i'm about to completely screwup a working redhat from packages machine with SVN
[03:20:00] ole_schoola: looking forward to every frustrating moment
[03:20:00] jnunez: sean33 – it's easy if you don't use cheap parts
[03:20:00] ole_schoola: that helps a lot
[03:21:00] crazdmnd: new to the channel here but i agree....it wasn't as daunting as I expected it to be....most of the time spent was stuff that I wanted to optimize and tried different options
[03:21:00] jnunez: sean33: Try Knoppmyth. I have one box on it and now will try a new box with Gentoo or Fedora
[03:21:00] ole_schoola: jnunez: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . oard;#176787
[03:21:00] xris: Kelerion: heya
[03:22:00] ole_schoola: recent discussion on keyboards. meatwad's comments are mine
[03:23:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: thanks. I was avoid RF only based on someone else's suggestion
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[03:24:00] sPiN: logitechs have pretty good range in my experience
[03:24:00] ole_schoola: i went IR because i build macros into my RTI control system and needed to be able top capture all the keys
[03:24:00] sPiN: my MS wireless multimedia pro is lucky to get 3 feet
[03:25:00] ole_schoola: IR remote limited my ability to have discreet commands to send
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[03:25:00] Kelerion: my ms wireless can do about 3 meters.. then it's hit and miss on what it gets
[03:26:00] ole_schoola: i'm 12 feet away from rcvr and works fine, gotta point, tho
[03:26:00] ole_schoola: brb, i'll walk down the hall and see how far it goes
[03:27:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: So you are using AMD64. Are you hitting any walls where a 32bit chip would compile without any issues?
[03:28:00] jnunez: After I am done with my firewire machine I want to work on building a box that goes into my closet(<-- It has a cable feed) and want to add multiple tuners
[03:29:00] ole_schoola: compile of mythtv went fine, very significant speed improvement
[03:29:00] ole_schoola: srtarting in on plugins now
[03:29:00] sPiN: jnunez: i had hell compiling on 64bit suse 10 system with gcc 4
[03:29:00] ole_schoola: getting them all built, remove the ATRPMs packages, install, and fix all the little broken pieces
[03:30:00] crazdmnd: hey what is everybody doing as far as a dvd burn option---nuvexport, mythburn, homemade scripts, others?
[03:30:00] ole_schoola: i like mythburn. <thisclose> to getting it working on the old rig
[03:31:00] ** ole_schoola has update on ACK-581 IR wireless keyboard **
[03:31:00] jnunez: I tried LFS with my P3 933MHz but I couldn't finish it. I would start a compile and that's it for the rest of the night! I have 2 kids and once they are asleep I have 2 whole hours to dedicated to my hobbies.
[03:31:00] ole_schoola: 26 feet, through 2 doorways
[03:32:00] ole_schoola: crapped out at 18 feet and then i switched off the flourescents
[03:32:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: IR through doorways? What's attached to it? Foglights?
[03:32:00] ole_schoola: yep. nearly 8 meters
[03:33:00] ole_schoola: there's what appears to be 2 good sized IR emitters on this thing
[03:33:00] crazdmnd: i had some problems getting projectx to install...is that still a requirement with it (mythburn?)...
[03:34:00] ole_schoola: crazdmnd: i'm not surprised. java, jar, what next? it was painful but i got it goin
[03:34:00] crazdmnd: i started tinkering with it a few nights ago, managed to get it showing up into my mythweb (no real feat there i guess) but i had some dependency issues, projectx being one that i remember.....im running it on breezy badger
[03:35:00] ole_schoola: i'd been looking all over for this thing and just finally found it pop up at an oddball online shop
[03:35:00] ole_schoola: i first saw it used with Escient Fireball music servers, fell in love with it then
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[03:37:00] ole_schoola: jnunez: the doors were open
[03:37:00] Kelerion: ole_schoola: what kb is that?
[03:37:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: lol
[03:38:00] Kelerion: erm.. how'd you know it was still working? if I go out of two doors.. I'm out on the street! lol
[03:39:00] scottder: anyone use external USB/Firewire drives with their MythTV?
[03:40:00] redline--: mmmmmm!! geforce 7300 gs can decode 1080p streams
[03:41:00] redline--: comes in half height options too
[03:42:00] jnunez: Kelerion: call yourself with a wireless and put the home phone on the tv speaker
[03:42:00] kormoc: redline--, I just stressed my pci fx 5200 yesterday, 1080i and 720p and sdtv at the same time :)
[03:43:00] redline--: nice
[03:43:00] redline--: mplayer or xine?
[03:43:00] kormoc: no skippyness, and 15% free cpu
[03:43:00] kormoc: mplayer via the xvmc output
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[03:44:00] redline--: what the heck is xvmc i gotta look into that heh
[03:44:00] kormoc: it's hardware mpeg2 decoding done via the videocard
[03:44:00] redline--: ahh xvideo motion compensation
[03:44:00] kormoc: takes a nice load off of the cpu
[03:45:00] jnunez: redline--: the 7300gs low profile sounds great! I have a 6600 on my PC and it is a true Video Toaster
[03:45:00] redline--: what speed cpu ?
[03:45:00] kormoc: redline--, 2.4 ghz
[03:45:00] redline--: yea they coming out with a fanless solution also
[03:46:00] redline--: kormoc thats pretty sweet
[03:46:00] kormoc: redline--, ooh, dual head as well :)
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[03:46:00] redline--: nice, you a bookie kormoc =p watching 3 games at 1 time
[03:46:00] Kelerion: kormoc: I think I got my X working with xvmc etc now.. am recompiling FE to check
[03:47:00] kormoc: Kelerion, coolness
[03:47:00] Kelerion: ended up doing a fresh install of ubuntu.. lol
[03:47:00] kormoc: redline--, nah, just playing with the 5200 :)
[03:47:00] jnunez: What's the highest res of a bootsplash?
[03:48:00] ole_schoola: Kelerion: google on ACK-581
[03:48:00] Kelerion: should xdpyinfo tell you anything specific about xvmc working?
[03:48:00] kormoc: Kelerion, I think so
[03:48:00] Kelerion: oh – I was looking at those yesterday, ole_schoola
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[03:49:00] Kelerion: am looking for as small a wireless kb with builtin mouse as I can find
[03:49:00] jnunez: Kelerion: there is one by IBM but the price is outragous
[03:50:00] Kelerion: jnunez: know what it's called off the top of your head?
[03:50:00] jnunez: hold on looking for it. I think it is used for POS systems
[03:51:00] Kelerion: my mythbox isn't a Piece Of Shit thankya very much :P
[03:51:00] Kelerion: j/k
[03:52:00] jnunez: Actually they were for Kiosk systems. I could find the link. Check this one out. http://www.provantage.com/auravision-sn503-02~7AURV00C.htm
[03:52:00] Kelerion: now.. http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-22473-2445-28-29-x
[03:52:00] swarm_: my computer wont even recognize my keyboard on a reboot
[03:52:00] Kelerion: that's a kb.. lol
[03:53:00] jnunez: Lights!!! My wife will kill me if we are watching a movie and I open the laptop
[03:54:00] Kelerion: oh.. nice one jnunez: that looks neat
[03:54:00] jnunez: swarm_: is your kb a usb?
[03:54:00] swarm_: pa2
[03:54:00] swarm_: ps2
[03:54:00] jnunez: swarm_: Strange.
[03:55:00] swarm_: yea I think the m/b is going it appears to be a voltage issue
[03:59:00] Kelerion: there's on of those kb's on ebay at $25 ... that seems cheap to me.. search on: SN503–02
[04:01:00] Kelerion: 330 X 180 X 25 mm
[04:01:00] Kelerion: damn thats small
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[04:02:00] Kelerion: I can buy one brand new for $50.. I paid more than that for my logitech one
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[04:03:00] Kelerion: only problem is it's a US kb.. bugger
[04:05:00] jnunez: I'm think about it. I just need 5 feet
[04:05:00] jnunez: Just noticed something when looking at a list of recordings. There are icons on the bottom left. What are they?
[04:06:00] Kelerion: http://www.eluminx.com/product.asp?pid=21 seems like they sell them now
[04:07:00] Kelerion: jnunez: press F1
[04:08:00] jnunez: you mean i have to get up from the sofa? lol
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[04:08:00] Kelerion: ok ok.. SHOUT "F1" at your TV :P
[04:10:00] jnunez: It didn't work but the baby is screaming!
[04:10:00] jnunez: LOL thanks
[04:10:00] Kelerion: well.. I *did* try to help! that must count for something! :P
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[04:11:00] jnunez: I need to calibrate my HDTV
[04:12:00] jnunez: I have the DVDs but I need to do a separate calibrate for each device. My PVR-150 video quality is not looking good.
[04:13:00] Kelerion: I think I'm just gonna get into the habit of compiling frontend with the debug option.. I don't notice any speed difference with it anyways.. and seeing as I'm running svn version it makes sense
[04:14:00] ole_schoola: jnunez: hire an ISF guy to do it professionally, you can't do it proper without the HW
[04:15:00] ole_schoola: unless of course it's an older tv and you just want to rough it in
[04:15:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: I have ISF in mind but I will need to wait until I purchase a surround sound system
[04:15:00] ole_schoola: if newer (plasma, RP, FP) there way too much to do to optimize
[04:16:00] jnunez: Nope. It was a gift to myself... Sony 34" HDTV
[04:16:00] ole_schoola: ah, waiting on the rest, good call
[04:16:00] ole_schoola: ISF is worth it
[04:16:00] ole_schoola: i just sub it out whenever a client does a system with a worthy display :)
[04:17:00] ole_schoola: glass CRT tube?
[04:17:00] jnunez: Yup. it's the 34XBR960
[04:17:00] jnunez: 200lbs
[04:17:00] ole_schoola: very nice piece of glass
[04:18:00] ole_schoola: has zero downsides unlike all the other tech
[04:18:00] jnunez: I know. I researched for a while
[04:18:00] ole_schoola: altho it IS the heaviest (freakin nutbusters)
[04:19:00] jnunez: I went into a store and the sales man wouldn't let me leave. every time I told him I would think about it he would drop the price or throw something in
[04:19:00] ole_schoola: fifth-floor apartment in 1920 downtown chicago midrise — broken elevator
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[04:19:00] ole_schoola: sales guy must have one in stock, ppl ignore the quality of a tube and go BIG
[04:20:00] jnunez: After the purchase was almost complete he told me they didn't deliver to the 3rd floor and I told him to cancel. the manager jumped at him and told him that it was ok
[04:20:00] ole_schoola: ...must have had ...
[04:20:00] jnunez: I got it for 1100!
[04:20:00] ole_schoola: yeah, they wanted it out of stock, you must have gotten a sweet deal
[04:20:00] jnunez: plus tax
[04:21:00] ole_schoola: oooooh. seems like a lot unless your familiar with the XBR's, same with glass Wega's
[04:21:00] jnunez: I got it such a sweet deal and I got an extended warranty. I usually skip this but with such a purchase I had too
[04:22:00] ole_schoola: if you ever need to use it, they almost always start give excuses. just hang onta the paper real good
[04:22:00] jnunez: They also threw in overpriced cables and the DVE DVD
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[04:22:00] ole_schoola: which cables?
[04:23:00] jnunez: The paper is in a safe at my in-laws. LOL
[04:23:00] ole_schoola: monster?
[04:23:00] jnunez: Monster DVI to HDMI
[04:23:00] ole_schoola: figgers. that's actually nice cable, stay away from their component stuff
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[04:23:00] ole_schoola: google Blue Jeans and read
[04:23:00] jnunez: sorry it's component
[04:24:00] jnunez: I got a DVI to HDMI for 29
[04:24:00] ole_schoola: ah. the mid- to high-end models are 75% fairy dust. lot's of marketing tech that is proven to do nothing for humans
[04:25:00] jnunez: That is where I ordered my 3" cable for my MythTV box
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[04:25:00] Kelerion: 3 inch cable?
[04:25:00] ole_schoola: Blue Jeans uses the EXACT same cable i've specced since the mid-80's
[04:25:00] jnunez: 3 foot
[04:25:00] ole_schoola: and they use connectors i could never afford compression dies for (canare)
[04:25:00] Kelerion: we'd use 3' over here for that.. lol
[04:26:00] jnunez: My friend who works at CBS orders from Blue Jeans and sent me to them for the cables I needed
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[04:26:00] ole_schoola: Blue Jeans makes cables EXACTLY the way broadcast facilities make them, that's why
[04:27:00] ole_schoola: just read up at their site, then compare the cost of the cable you want with Monster cable pricing
[04:27:00] ole_schoola: it's a total no-brainer: better cable, less money
[04:28:00] ole_schoola: i order them 4 business days before i need them for any job and they get them to me\
[04:28:00] Kelerion: they have a blue jeans here in the UK.. but I've never used them
[04:28:00] jnunez: Any good low cost suggestions on a mid-range Surround Sound system>
[04:28:00] ole_schoola: denon-1906 receiver
[04:29:00] ole_schoola: try to avoid HTiB speaker deals
[04:29:00] ole_schoola: what's your budget?
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[04:29:00] Kelerion: hey.. thats not bad pricing
[04:29:00] Kelerion: tad more than I pay.. but am presuming better much better quality
[04:30:00] ole_schoola: very decent comp[onent switching section, 100MHz BW if i recall
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[04:30:00] ole_schoola: class-D amps but then who isn't using them in that segment of the market
[04:31:00] jnunez: the budget is not set yet. I need to just save up for them. I put the TV on a card with zero interest for the 6 months and I finished paying it but I want to be able to pay off at least 50% of it right away
[04:31:00] swarm_: jnuez there is an onkyo all in one thats pretty good
[04:31:00] swarm_: ~600
[04:32:00] swarm_: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Onkyo-Home-The . . . kmdffhdfii.0
[04:32:00] swarm_: now thats a link
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[04:33:00] jnunez: Looks nice but I am a bit weary about HT in a Box
[04:33:00] jnunez: usually the Speaker stink
[04:33:00] ole_schoola: if you want to go entry-level Bose killers: Canton Plus (as good sas you can afford), skip their sub, look for an Energy or JBL Northridge
[04:33:00] swarm_: not a big fan of htib but it isnt too bad for the money..
[04:33:00] swarm_: friend of mine picked one up and it sounded decent
[04:34:00] ole_schoola: i simply walk away from HTiB
[04:34:00] ole_schoola: don't have time for them, enough hacks in my business to fill the need
[04:35:00] swarm_: quality aint cheap, cheap aint quality
[04:35:00] ole_schoola: Ed Zachary
[04:35:00] swarm_: but i dont have 5k to drop on a stereo
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[04:35:00] Esuirin: heeeeeeeelp
[04:35:00] jnunez: My problem is that I live in an apartment and I cant have anything too loud. Landlord lives below
[04:35:00] Esuirin: xris, you there?
[04:35:00] xris: yeah
[04:35:00] swarm_: hahaha that sucls
[04:35:00] xris: for a short while
[04:35:00] swarm_: sucks
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[04:36:00] ole_schoola: i propose and dekliver complete systems, not Plasma X or Receiver Y. components that i know to work and integrate well together
[04:36:00] Ediehow: xris, remember helping me earlier?
[04:36:00] Ediehow: re frontend wireless?
[04:36:00] Kelerion: ole_schoola: you work for a company? or self-employed?
[04:36:00] ole_schoola: my customers want it rock solid, not, "i'll get back to you and see if it can do that"
[04:36:00] ole_schoola: self with employee and subs
[04:36:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: LOL
[04:37:00] Ediehow: ole_schoola too
[04:37:00] swarm_: must be nice
[04:37:00] Ediehow: anyhow, i got frontend working remotely, right?
[04:37:00] ole_schoola: busy, very busy
[04:37:00] Ediehow: but for some reason, both the desktop that was host and the laptop i am on cannot access certain websites now
[04:37:00] ole_schoola: superbowl comin up, hanging plasmas like a raped ape
[04:37:00] Ediehow: and i have been on two other wireless networks since
[04:37:00] Ediehow: and i am on a diff right now
[04:37:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: What do you suggest for a remote? My brother is big on Harmony.
[04:37:00] Ediehow: and it's the same websites that we cannot access
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[04:38:00] Ediehow: could there have been some kind of dns poisoning?
[04:38:00] xris: Ediehow: vaguely
[04:38:00] xris: your hosts file could be messing things up somehow
[04:38:00] ole_schoola: if you really want to DIY, get a URC MX-850 (or better) and RF base station
[04:38:00] Kelerion: I bought myself a plasma as a christmas present.. it ain't the best on the market but it's good enough for me.. am trying to decide whether to hang it or not.. but am not sure I trust my walls
[04:38:00] ole_schoola: that'll keep you busy for a few months
[04:38:00] Ediehow: xris, all i had done was on the laptop
[04:38:00] Ediehow: when i commented out #desktop
[04:38:00] Ediehow: could myth be messing up something?
[04:38:00] Ediehow: mythbackend or something
[04:39:00] xris: ever consider your ISP's dns might just be messed up?
[04:39:00] xris: or the sites are down?
[04:39:00] Ediehow: xris, the sites are not down.
[04:39:00] Ediehow: and it's 3 diff isps now
[04:39:00] jnunez: My landlord does all the work around here. I didn't want a LCD to hang
[04:39:00] Ediehow: i can ping the servers
[04:39:00] Ediehow: the dns's
[04:39:00] Ediehow: but not access them via web
[04:39:00] xris: Ediehow: do a traceroute?
[04:39:00] jnunez: Is there a myth method to control the settings on my PVR-150?
[04:39:00] xris: or dig on the name
[04:40:00] Kelerion: just because you can ping them.. doesn't mean they are actually running a website
[04:40:00] mchou: Kelerion: hehe, no doubt :)
[04:40:00] ole_schoola: or the web server crapped the bed ;) must be IIS
[04:40:00] mchou: and if you can ping correctly by name then dns is working :)
[04:40:00] Kelerion: Ediehow.. can you access them from any other machine?
[04:41:00] mchou: Ediehow: why dont you start from the beginning and tell us what the problem is :)
[04:41:00] jnunez: Web Server. now that's what I do for a leaving and I hated the 10 IIS server that I manage
[04:41:00] Kelerion: mchou: ever put the wrong ip address in a hosts file? I have.. damn that was a headache.. lol
[04:42:00] Ediehow: i think something got screwed up
[04:42:00] Kelerion: jnunez: thats what I do for a living too
[04:42:00] mchou: Kelerion: that's why you use dns, silly :)
[04:42:00] Kelerion: mchou.. ever put the wrong ip address in an A record? *chuckles*
[04:42:00] mchou: Kelerion: haha!!
[04:42:00] Ediehow: mchou, i was on a wireless network earlier, got laptop to be frontend, and desktop is backend
[04:43:00] ** ole_schoola does a little dance **
[04:43:00] Ediehow: now neither desktop or nor laptop can access certain sites
[04:43:00] ole_schoola: mythplugins is building! finally
[04:43:00] Ediehow: despite the fact i am ona different wireless network 20 miles away
[04:44:00] jnunez: same sites on both pcs?
[04:44:00] Kelerion: FE has finally finished compiling! woohoo! I swear this is taking longer and longer (by a lot)
[04:44:00] mchou: Ediehow: on a wireless network, what's that mean? at home or some cafe??
[04:44:00] Ediehow: jnunez, yes
[04:44:00] Ediehow: same symptoms
[04:44:00] Ediehow: is it possible i got some kind of dns poison or something?
[04:44:00] jnunez: and your traceroute the address?
[04:44:00] Ediehow: i am 20 miles away now, and we are still having problems on same page
[04:44:00] Ediehow: pages
[04:44:00] mchou: Ediehow: what's a dns poison? Never heard of it :)
[04:44:00] Kelerion: Ediehow: as xris mentioned.. could your hosts file be corrupt?
[04:45:00] jnunez: is this a private site? Can you up the url so we can test?
[04:45:00] Ediehow: i don't see how?
[04:45:00] Kelerion: cat /etc/hosts
[04:45:00] Ediehow: www.myspace.com and www.facebook.com are both being very problematicnow
[04:45:00] Kelerion: anything look wierd?
[04:45:00] Ediehow: Kelerion, looks normal
[04:45:00] jnunez: ok they are working.
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[04:45:00] Kelerion: look fine here too
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[04:46:00] mchou: Ediehow: look at /etc/resolv.conf....What's it say?
[04:46:00] jnunez: DNS Poisoning is not a technical name but it is when the DNS cache is corrupt of out of sync
[04:46:00] Ediehow: search br.no.cox.net
[04:46:00] Ediehow: nameserver 10.0.1.1
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[04:46:00] Kelerion: I have a kid that works for me that looks at sites like that all the time when he thinks I ain't looking
[04:46:00] Ediehow: that's local
[04:46:00] mchou: Ediehow: lol
[04:46:00] mchou: that's your problem right there
[04:46:00] Ediehow: that's what i normally have
[04:46:00] Kelerion: your running a local nameserver?
[04:47:00] Ediehow: NoUse, my ip is something close to that
[04:47:00] Ediehow: on home machine, it is
[04:47:00] Ediehow: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[04:47:00] Ediehow: nameserver 192.168.0.1
[04:47:00] Ediehow: search localhost
[04:47:00] mchou: Ediehow: huh???
[04:47:00] Ediehow: that's on the home machine, desktop
[04:47:00] Ediehow: backend
[04:47:00] Kelerion: and 10.0.1.1 isn't available where you are now, right?
[04:48:00] xris: Ediehow: that should be "localdomain"
[04:48:00] Ediehow: xris, search localhost.localdomain?
[04:48:00] Ediehow: or search localdomain?
[04:48:00] xris: Ediehow: just localdomain
[04:48:00] mchou: xris: what should be localdomain?
[04:48:00] Ediehow: i think dhcp set that
[04:48:00] jnunez: Ediehow: on your router what is the ip range
[04:48:00] xris: like in my case, it's "search forevermore.net" ... so if I type in a host like "xris" the system knows to add the .forevermore.net to the end of it
[04:49:00] ** Kelerion leaves them to it and gets back to getting a backtrace **
[04:49:00] xris: it won't fix your problem, though
[04:49:00] mchou: xris: ah, you dont mean the literal string "localdomain" :)
[04:49:00] xris: mchou: well, in his case, yes.
[04:49:00] xris: it should be "localdomain" not "localhost"
[04:49:00] xris: since "search" is for a domain, not a host
[04:49:00] mchou: xris: yup, agreed
[04:50:00] ** xris starts digging around for the fc4 disks **
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[04:56:00] Kelerion: is xrdb part of gdb?
[04:57:00] Kelerion: nope.. it ain't
[04:57:00] ole_schoola: ok, got mythtv, plugins and themes built and installed
[04:57:00] jnunez: For the people looking for a cheap KB: Logitech Cordless Desktop Express Keyboard & Mouse Combo – $10 after $15 MIR
[04:57:00] ole_schoola: does mythfrontend do the DB schema update or was it myth-setup?
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[04:57:00] Kelerion: mythtv-setup
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: need mythbackend running yet?
[04:58:00] Kelerion: yup
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: i ferget
[04:58:00] ole_schoola: thx
[04:58:00] Kelerion: erm.. not sure.. lol
[04:58:00] jnunez: Sorry that's available at CompUSA
[04:58:00] Kelerion: I think so
[04:59:00] ole_schoola: mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:59:00] ole_schoola: crap
[04:59:00] jnunez: brb bathroom break
[04:59:00] Kelerion: add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf
[04:59:00] Kelerion: oh.. file not found
[05:00:00] ole_schoola: all builds went fine, trying to launch mythbackend -v
[05:00:00] Kelerion: what dist are you on?
[05:00:00] ole_schoola: FC4
[05:00:00] ole_schoola: x86_64
[05:00:00] Kelerion: might need to make sure it's in ld.so.conf
[05:01:00] ole_schoola: it's been there all along
[05:01:00] crazdmnd: anybody have success with the cvs install of mythburn on ubuntu (breezy)?
[05:01:00] Kelerion: you install it to /usr/local?
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[05:01:00] ole_schoola: had to add /usr/local/lib64 and /usr/lib64 too, they weren't there to start
[05:01:00] ole_schoola: installed to /usr/local
[05:02:00] Kelerion: well.. I was *close*! lol
[05:02:00] ole_schoola: lol
[05:02:00] ole_schoola: now i'm lost
[05:05:00] Kelerion: hey! that ain't good! my X keeps restarting whenever I try to watch a recording! lol
[05:06:00] ole_schoola: "/usr/local looks good, myth dir and all the libmyth* files and links
[05:07:00] Kelerion: ok – if I try to run mythfrontend with xvmc as the decoder.. X crashes.. otherwise it's fine.. where'd I start looking to fix it?
[05:08:00] ole_schoola: x crash means start in xorg logs and go from there
[05:08:00] Kelerion: no help there.. all it's saying is:
[05:08:00] Kelerion: Fatal server error:
[05:08:00] Kelerion: Caught signal 11. Server aborting
[05:10:00] Kelerion: kormoc: here's the xorg you wanted to see..lol: http://pastebin.com/525172
[05:10:00] Kelerion: it must be an xvmc setup problem
[05:10:00] Kelerion: oh..wait.. have an idea
[05:10:00] kormoc: Kelerion, you have two videocards?
[05:10:00] Kelerion: nope
[05:10:00] kormoc: disable int10 then :)
[05:11:00] Kelerion: hey.. I wondered about that when I saw it in laga's
[05:11:00] kormoc: vbe can also go
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[05:12:00] kormoc: Kelerion, and remove lines 98 to 100 :)
[05:12:00] Kelerion: ok.. that fixed it.. lol
[05:12:00] kormoc: :)
[05:12:00] Kelerion: it was either int10 or vbe
[05:12:00] Kelerion: thankya's :)
[05:12:00] kormoc: vbe likely
[05:12:00] kormoc: your welcome :)
[05:12:00] Kelerion: what is that?
[05:12:00] kormoc: Vesa Buffer Extention
[05:13:00] Kelerion: oh.. well that ain't needed
[05:13:00] kormoc: it trys to access the card on a low level, conflicting with the nvidia driver in all likelyhood
[05:13:00] ** Kelerion goes to see what it looks like on the TV now **
[05:16:00] jnunez: I tried xvmc with my box on knoppix and it would flicker on OSD displays
[05:16:00] Kelerion: nope.. that didn't fix it.. (was still using libmpeg2 decoder.. switched to xvmc and back to crashing)
[05:16:00] jnunez: Only one video card I wonder if i should drop the lines as well
[05:17:00] ole_schoola: any thoughts on mythbackend failing?
[05:17:00] ole_schoola: mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:17:00] ole_schoola: checked initscripts i copied from contrib, fine
[05:18:00] ** Kelerion reboots the machine **
[05:18:00] Kelerion: ole_schoola: try just running "mythbackend" from the console
[05:19:00] Kelerion: same?
[05:19:00] ole_schoola: that is the output of mythbackend -v from console
[05:20:00] ole_schoola: doesn't even make it to log entries
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[05:20:00] Kelerion: are the libs actually installed?
[05:20:00] jnunez: ole_schoola: Since you work in the industries do you know of any good modelines for my Sony xbr960? When I view tv I get some light areas on the edge
[05:21:00] jnunez: view tv via mythtv
[05:21:00] ole_schoola: libmythtv-0.19.so
[05:21:00] ole_schoola: libmythtv-0.19.so.0
[05:21:00] ole_schoola: libmythtv-0.19.so.0.19
[05:21:00] ole_schoola: libmythtv-0.19.so.0.19.0
[05:21:00] ole_schoola: all in /usr/local/lib
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[05:22:00] Kelerion: dunno then.. sorry
[05:22:00] Kelerion: well.. it's 5:20am.. am gonna get a couple of hours kip
[05:22:00] ole_schoola: usually overscan settings in the service setup screens do the trick, google is your friend :)
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[05:23:00] ole_schoola: it's what we use mostly to find info, mfgrs suck — even for dealers
[05:23:00] ole_schoola: full disclosure: i am not a sony dealer
[05:23:00] jnunez: avoiding the service menu. I heard that changes are recorded. I'll wait for the ISF guy
[05:23:00] ole_schoola: he will most def be able to do that
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[05:24:00] jnunez: Well Im off! Thanks so much for your help ole_schoola
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[05:32:00] ole_schoola: would i need something in /usr/lib64/mythtv assuming build to /usr/local?
[05:32:00] ole_schoola: nothing there on this FC4 system althought the directory mythtv is
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[05:55:00] ole_schoola: hah, rebuilt mythtv, backend works, go figger
[05:56:00] dtm: ole_schoola: ^5
[05:57:00] defaultro: hey guys, how do we change channel in livetv without pressing Y?
[05:58:00] defaultro: that's one of the features of .19 and i want to try it
[06:00:00] ole_schoola: holy crap n a half. it's all up and running. goodbye 18-fixes, hello SVN
[06:01:00] kormoc: defaultro, space? enter?
[06:01:00] dtm: ole_schoola: fixes for what? i haven't seen any bugs yet in my first week of mythtv :)
[06:03:00] ole_schoola: 18.2 was originally known as 18-1-fixes or something like that
[06:03:00] kormoc: as was .18.1 known as .18 fixes
[06:03:00] ole_schoola: i've had enough adventure for tonight
[06:04:00] Cardoe: hey kormoc
[06:04:00] kormoc: hihi Cardoe
[06:04:00] ole_schoola: i'll hold off on adding the hd5000's to FC4's 2.6.14.1–1656 kernel some other time
[06:04:00] Cardoe: how goes it?
[06:04:00] Chutt: there is no 0.18.2
[06:04:00] kormoc: Cardoe, quite well, how are you?
[06:04:00] Cardoe: kormoc: doing alright.
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[06:04:00] Cardoe: need to fix up those plugins still.
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[06:04:00] ole_schoola: Chutt: 18–1 with fixes Jarod Wilson compiled into the ATRPMs releases
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[06:05:00] Cardoe: Chutt: Jarod is calling his SVN stuff 0.18.2
[06:06:00] Captain_Murdoch: it's not 0.18.2 until there's a release, just like SVN head isn't 0.19 until there's a release even though the libraries say 0.19
[06:06:00] ole_schoola: Chutt: look in http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . xes?rev=8739
[06:06:00] ole_schoola: what's in there
[06:06:00] Chutt: well, yes
[06:06:00] Chutt: but it's not a release :p
[06:06:00] ole_schoola: Jarod loosely refered to it as 18.2, never was official, no worries
[06:06:00] Cardoe: I'm aware it's not an official release.
[06:06:00] Cardoe: I'm just saying
[06:06:00] Cardoe: Jarod is calling the created RPMs
[06:07:00] Cardoe: or someone who's creating RPMs out of his 0-18-fixes is calling it 0.18.2
[06:07:00] Cardoe: which explains some users confusions
[06:07:00] ole_schoola: it was a comment in Jarod's TRAC, more trouble than t was worth ;)
[06:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: just like some users think that they're running 0.19 right now because they compiled SVN and they think that 0.19.1 is due out soon because people are talking about a pending release.
[06:07:00] ole_schoola: lol Captain!
[06:08:00] Captain_Murdoch: it's true
[06:08:00] ole_schoola: can't grasp the pre-19 concept, eh?
[06:09:00] ole_schoola: i think that crap happened just before 18, too
[06:09:00] ole_schoola: oh well, this newb's had enough, g'nite all
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[06:12:00] dtm: ole_schoola: word
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[06:25:00] defaultro: i'm back. kormoc, I saw your response
[06:25:00] kormoc: hihi
[06:25:00] defaultro: :D
[06:26:00] defaultro: btw, I think it's time for me to fix the root autologin in gdm. Why is it that it doesn't work?
[06:26:00] kormoc: donno, what's the issue?
[06:26:00] defaultro: in GDM screen, it says, User will login in 5 secs
[06:27:00] defaultro: it doesn't supply root even if root has been assigned in gdm.conf
[06:27:00] Chutt: why would you use a login manager if you're just going to auto-login?
[06:28:00] defaultro: so how do I fix it
[06:28:00] Chutt: don't use gdm?
[06:28:00] defaultro: this is the config that doesn't work, http://pastebin.com/525229
[06:28:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:28:00] defaultro: how do i prevent that from running?
[06:29:00] defaultro: i just want blackbox to start
[06:29:00] defaultro: that's my window manager
[06:29:00] Chutt: err
[06:29:00] Chutt: well, you can always just set init to log you in automatically
[06:30:00] Chutt: and start X from there
[06:30:00] defaultro: can you help me please? :)
[06:30:00] defaultro: xinitrc?
[06:30:00] Chutt: no
[06:30:00] defaultro: oh ok
[06:30:00] Chutt: well, no to the 'can you help me'
[06:30:00] defaultro: :)
[06:30:00] Chutt: but yes to the xinitrc
[06:31:00] defaultro: this is what i have
[06:31:00] defaultro: /usr/local/lirc-ledrecv/bin/ledrecv-irexec &
[06:31:00] defaultro: /usr/bin/blackbox
[06:31:00] defaultro: that doesn't work
[06:31:00] Chutt: why wouldn't it work?
[06:31:00] defaultro: or it could be that gdm is still enabled
[06:31:00] defaultro: how do i turn off gdm?
[06:31:00] Chutt: i wouldn't know, i don't use gnome crap.
[06:31:00] laga: what distro?
[06:32:00] defaultro: fedora
[06:32:00] laga: duh..probably with rc-update, i'm not sure.
[06:32:00] defaultro: just disable, not uninstall :)
[06:33:00] Chutt: 1920 * 1088 * 3 / 2 is 3133440, not 2332800
[06:34:00] defaultro: what's that? isn't supposed to be 1080?
[06:34:00] laga: Chutt: how much time is left for us translators to finish our work?
[06:35:00] Chutt: i dunno
[06:35:00] defaultro: btw, I selected XvMC in playback settings. I'm watching an HD now and i don't experience any lagging and stuttering. Does this mean that Xvmc in myth is stable?
[06:35:00] Chutt: no
[06:35:00] laga: Chutt: k, we'll try and hurry up :)
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[06:42:00] Esuirin: hi
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[06:57:00] Esuirin: what is that setting that lets you change channels but waits till you hit enter to actually change it?
[06:57:00] Esuirin: you can browse what is on channel at the bottom
[06:57:00] Esuirin: oh i see
[06:58:00] Esuirin: man, why do i get skips after i change a channel or pause/unpause?
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[07:08:00] Esuirin: 2006-01–27 01:02:10.173 prebuffering pause
[07:08:00] Esuirin: 2006-01–27 01:02:10.173 waiting for prebuffer...
[07:08:00] Esuirin: 2006-01–27 01:02:10.217 positionMap[ 40 ] == 6295590.
[07:08:00] Esuirin: 2006-01–27 01:02:10.257 WriteAudio: buffer underrun
[07:08:00] Esuirin: 2006-01–27 01:02:10.308 prebuffer wait timed out..
[07:08:00] Esuirin: i get that after changing a channel
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[07:12:00] Esuirin: hi xris
[07:12:00] Esuirin: r u there?
[07:12:00] xris: barely
[07:12:00] xris: new system install, still restoring settings and updating
[07:13:00] Esuirin: xris, from remote machine
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[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> 2006-01–27 01:02:10.173 prebuffering pause
[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> 2006-01–27 01:02:10.173 waiting for prebuffer...
[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> 2006-01–27 01:02:10.217 positionMap[ 40 ] == 6295590.
[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> 2006-01–27 01:02:10.257 WriteAudio: buffer underrun
[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> 2006-01–27 01:02:10.308 prebuffer wait timed out..
[07:13:00] Ediehow: <Esuirin> i get that after changing a channel
[07:13:00] Ediehow: if i leave it on initial channel, it works fine
[07:13:00] Ediehow: any ideas?
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[08:01:00] hpAuto: omg, I think an old gay man tried to pick me up at the bar
[08:01:00] xris: w00t, I can finally watch HD
[08:01:00] hpAuto: what pci card you have?
[08:02:00] xris: air2pc
[08:02:00] xris: though in this case, it's that I finally got an nvidia card to replace my old f'd up ATI
[08:02:00] hpAuto: yea I never liked ati under linux
[08:03:00] xris: well, there's also a bug in some cards where when you try to play 1080i, 1/3 of the screen goes pink
[08:03:00] hpAuto: man though, I must be hot to gay dudes
[08:04:00] hpAuto: how are you reciving HD, over air or cable?
[08:04:00] xris: air
[08:04:00] xris: need a better antenna, but at least it's enough for testing
[08:04:00] xris: which is why I was given the card
[08:05:00] hpAuto: yea I live in a brick building, and even with an amplified antanna, hd I can't get
[08:05:00] xris: I get most channels...
[08:05:00] xris: there's an airport between me and the fox tower, though.
[08:05:00] xris: I don't even have a trace of the signal
[08:06:00] hpAuto: I'm really hoping it impoves in signal, I mean there is no way tv will work if it's that hard to get a signal
[08:07:00] xris: most people in the US have cable or satellite
[08:07:00] hpAuto: apparently my signals of picking up gay men (which I don't want) is keen
[08:07:00] xris: and VERY few of them have HD
[08:08:00] xris: so you've mentioned
[08:08:00] hpAuto: I dunno, on arial antenna I can pickup most HD
[08:09:00] hpAuto: HD is just not going to work though, I mean the old days when you could get a signal in a basement
[08:10:00] hpAuto: that would be gone
[08:10:00] xris: like I said... most people don't use antenna
[08:12:00] hpAuto: I'd still say a lot do
[08:12:00] hpAuto: my grandmother does
[08:13:00] xris: a lot, but it's actually only something like 15%
[08:13:00] xris: the sad thing is that the people who still watch OTA stuff are the ones who DON'T have HD capable hardware
[08:14:00] mchou: xris: I dont know where you're coming up with that.
[08:14:00] mchou: In my neighborhhod plenty of ppl watch OTA on the 12ft screens
[08:14:00] xris: mchou: I had a stat the other day... couldn't find it now if I tried, though
[08:14:00] mchou: with antennas
[08:14:00] xris: oh, on that one.
[08:15:00] xris: that one comes from all of the press about the forcible closing of the analog channels.
[08:15:00] hpAuto: I think it a lot more than 15%
[08:15:00] mchou: these are the same ppl that also subscribe to D*
[08:16:00] mchou: D* for sports, OTA for network programming
[08:16:00] xris: hpAuto: the actual numbers of people receiving OTA with no cable/satellite subscriptio are around 15% of the US populatio
[08:16:00] mchou: (which include some sports)
[08:16:00] xris: mchou: seems odd when dish/dtv give you local
[08:16:00] hpAuto: I know a lot in the 15% then
[08:17:00] mchou: xris: they dont like the compression on D*
[08:17:00] hpAuto: like, my entire town, since we have no cable service
[08:17:00] xris: mchou: HD is HD, no?
[08:17:00] mchou: xris: no with D*
[08:17:00] mchou: D* is not mpeg
[08:17:00] xris: hmm, didn't know that
[08:17:00] xris: mchou: which D are you talking about? Dish or DTV?
[08:18:00] mchou: Dish
[08:18:00] xris: Dish is certainly mpeg.. it's dvb
[08:18:00] xris: I know people here who receive Dish stuff with dvb cards... it's a plain old mpeg2 TS file
[08:18:00] mchou: or maybe directTV....
[08:18:00] xris: directv is mpeg4
[08:18:00] xris: well, moving to mpeg4
[08:18:00] mchou: can't keep them straight
[08:19:00] mchou: it certainly aint mpeg4 now
[08:19:00] mchou: that's for sure
[08:19:00] xris: they both want to move to mpeg4
[08:19:00] xris: dtv is further along in the process
[08:19:00] mchou: low bit rate crap is what they got
[08:20:00] xris: guess you can tell more on a real hdtv screen... looks great on my monitor or my normal tv
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[08:20:00] mchou: lol, your screen is measure in inches, not ft :)
[08:20:00] xris: yes
[08:21:00] xris: I'm not into the whole big screen thing
[08:21:00] xris: much better things to spend my money on
[08:21:00] mchou: well, norr do I, which is why I leech of my neighbors :)
[08:21:00] xris: though I do sit about 24" away from my 19" lcd... that's HUGE compared to 10' from a tv
[08:24:00] mchou: I just don't get my neighbor though.
[08:24:00] mchou: he is married but lives like a bachelor
[08:25:00] xris: heh
[08:25:00] xris: I assume without the dating scene
[08:25:00] mchou: got the pool table, 12ft big TV, wine celler
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[08:25:00] ** xris has a wine cellar.. well, wine garage **
[08:25:00] mchou: xris: yeah, except that (which I wouldnt really be privy to anyways)
[08:27:00] mchou: the guy knows how to live it up.
[08:27:00] mchou: his wife is a bit more down to earth :)
[08:28:00] defaultro: hey mchou
[08:28:00] defaultro: i thought you're going to bed
[08:28:00] mchou: hey defaultro
[08:28:00] defaultro: i fixed auto login
[08:28:00] defaultro: but not really autologin
[08:28:00] xris: geesch.. yum is finally done downloading updates
[08:28:00] mchou: nah, played a game and got my third wind :)
[08:29:00] defaultro: i set inittab to runlevel 3
[08:29:00] defaultro: then put startx >> /dev/null 2>&1 & in rc.local
[08:29:00] mchou: andrenaline rush....
[08:29:00] defaultro: actually in a crontab
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[08:32:00] xris: ok, time for me to sleep. 'night
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[08:52:00] buu: Er
[08:52:00] buu: Does the "video manager" not like symlinks?
[08:52:00] buu: I have a symlink named /myth/video ..
[08:54:00] buu: And even when I change the path where it looks for videos it doesn't find anything
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[08:55:00] buu: Meh.
[08:56:00] buu: I'm going to setup -> video manager..
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[09:20:00] buu: Not that anyone cares, but it was a perm error
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[09:22:00] NHI: I did use the enable transcode when configuring the plugins svn but I still get Transcode support will not be included in MythDVD
[09:22:00] NHI: it doesnt say why
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[09:35:00] prologic: How does one rename a recorded tv show ?
[09:36:00] prologic: Can I just modify the entry in the recorded table in the mysql db ?
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[10:54:00] NHI: whats with autodtect transcoder in svn, autodtect what ?
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[12:07:00] pfitzner: sorry to bug you but I get the error-message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext". what lib to I need to compile?
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[12:11:00] juski: afternoon
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[12:32:00] NHI: hm after transcoding the videos are stretched
[12:32:00] NHI: when I look at properties it shows same resolution than untranscoded
[12:35:00] juski: resolution is one thing. aspect ratio is another
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[12:46:00] juski: is everyone just sitting, quietly waiting for 0.19 to be unleashed? how come it's so quiet lately?
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[12:47:00] NHI: I dont see any aspect ratio settings in thr transcoder settings
[12:47:00] juski: what aspect is the source material?
[12:48:00] NHI: 4:3
[12:48:00] NHI: its mpeg2 TS
[12:48:00] NHI: that plays fine
[12:48:00] juski: and it comes out 'stretched' ...
[12:48:00] NHI: after transcoding its streched
[12:48:00] juski: to what?
[12:48:00] NHI: up/down
[12:48:00] juski: rough guess?
[12:48:00] NHI: 3:4 ?
[12:48:00] juski: so it looks taller?
[12:49:00] NHI: ye it does
[12:49:00] juski: sounds like it's been converted to 16:9 then
[12:49:00] juski: amorphic
[12:49:00] NHI: aha
[12:49:00] NHI: means i should do what
[12:49:00] juski: I don't know
[12:49:00] NHI: dont see a settings
[12:49:00] juski: :-P
[12:50:00] juski: there's a commandline switch for that I think...
[12:50:00] juski: is this mythtranscode (built in transcoder) you're talking about?
[12:50:00] Caveman: [23:45] <juski> is everyone just sitting, quietly waiting for 0.19 to be unleashed? how come it's so quiet lately? <-- excuse the ignorance but how far is .19 off?
[12:50:00] NHI: juski: yes
[12:50:00] juski: Caveman: soon !
[12:51:00] Caveman: like 1 week soon or three months soon? :)
[12:51:00] juski: Caveman: who knows? when the killer bugs are squished
[12:51:00] Caveman: cool cool
[12:51:00] juski: be patient
[12:51:00] juski: it's gonna be more than worth the wait
[12:52:00] [1]lucas: caveman: if you're impatient, you can just already try it, but don't complain if its not working yet.
[12:53:00] Caveman: good stuff, i'm still squishing bugs in my firth Myth install – so I can be patient
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[12:53:00] Caveman: [23:52] <[1]lucas> caveman: if you're impatient <-- just curious, i havnt been following the progress and am new to the scene
[12:53:00] juski: anyway.. NHI: aspect ratio _should_ be preserved
[12:54:00] juski: was there this much interest before 0.18 came out? I wasn't around on IRC then
[12:54:00] NHI: when im doing losless it stays
[12:54:00] NHI: but I gain minimal size
[12:55:00] NHI: lossless doesnt "lose" enough MBs
[12:55:00] juski: lossless transcoding?
[12:55:00] juski: is this SVN?
[12:55:00] NHI: hm and autotranscode doesnt happen altho flagged in profile and in setting up the recording
[12:55:00] NHI: yes svn
[12:56:00] juski: NHI: search the dev mailing list
[12:56:00] juski: it's bound to be something that's known about
[12:56:00] [1]lucas: NHI: I have the same thing... transcoding works fine when initiated manually, but somehow doesn't seem to start automatically, alltough I have that box checked, and have my recording profiles all set to "autodetect"
[12:56:00] [1]lucas: I'm still running .18 though.
[12:57:00] [1]lucas: or a svn of a short while after .18
[12:57:00] juski: NHI: maybe you've not set a start & end time for jobs to be run...?
[12:58:00] NHI: juski: the user jobs ?
[12:59:00] juski: yeh
[13:00:00] juski: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . pect;#175633
[13:06:00] juski: df
[13:06:00] juski: oops
[13:06:00] NHI: hmm
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[13:07:00] NHI: dont remember seeing preserve aspect ratio
[13:07:00] NHI: leme check
[13:07:00] juski: NHI: when did you last update?
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[13:07:00] NHI: yesterday
[13:07:00] juski: ah
[13:08:00] flithm: hey everyone... I just recompiled mythtv with a new compiler (3.4) and now when I go to playback livetv I get the first 10 or 15 frames, then playback stops and mythfrontend gives an error message then crashes. Note that I can capture the output of the card fine from the command line. Anyone got any ideas?
[13:09:00] juski: erm.. capture settings are screwed? e.g. you have a PVR card & mythtv has defaulted to standard V4L ?
[13:11:00] [1]lucas: I've been wondering, what kind of stuff are people using userjobs for?
[13:11:00] flithm: juski: checked that already... it's set to hardware mpeg, same settings as before recompile. I didn't actually change any of the settings (and it worked fine before!). very odd.
[13:11:00] juski: just out of curiosity... if it worked before, why the hell would you recompile it? ;-)
[13:12:00] flithm: juski: good question :). I upgraded gcc and the c++ ABI changed between 3.3 and 3.4 so I had to recompile every c++ app on my system.
[13:14:00] flithm: which means I also had to recompile ivtv, and every other related app... so I really have no idea what's causing the problem. it could be mythtv, or it could be something else entirely
[13:15:00] ** flithm scratches head **
[13:16:00] flithm: anyone here played with any 0.19pre versions?
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[13:24:00] GreyFoxx: everyday
[13:27:00] GreyFoxx: assuming you mean svn and not some packager naming svn snapshots as pre0.19
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[14:46:00] sskk: is the 0.19 version so close to release as the trac roadmap indicates?
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[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: ssk: What URL are you looking at ?
[14:53:00] corpix64: hi, i changed my theme to "minimal", but i can't get into the "configuration" menu with that theme, so i cant change it it mythtvfrontend, how to change it manually ? there isnt any config file in ~/.mythtv.
[14:54:00] juski: corpix64: I've had that problem.. you 'll have to rename the theme temporarily, then copy another theme to a directory named Minimalist-wide
[14:55:00] juski: either that or change the settings table to use a different theme
[14:55:00] corpix64: hmm, i moved it away, it regenerates it then
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[14:58:00] corpix64: ah, you mean in /usr/share/mythtv/themes ...
[14:58:00] corpix64: ok that worked, thanks juski
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[15:14:00] NHI: strange when I check recorded programs via mythweb b4 transcodiing it shows me filesizes like 8000 TB
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[15:16:00] flithm: hey everyone... I've recently recompiled mythtv and ivtv with a new compiler, and now mythtv doesn't work. It won't capture any video (actually it gets the first 10 or 15 frames and then stops). I can capture the feed from the card from the command line no problem... anyone got any ideas on how to fix it?
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[15:24:00] flithm: got it
[15:24:00] flithm: thanks everyone :)
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[16:00:00] Ediehow: hi
[16:00:00] Ediehow: After I change channel from remote frontend(over wireless network), i keep getting hicks in the livetv, with prebuffer pause and audio buffer underruns, despite enabling extra audio buffering
[16:00:00] Ediehow: if i leave it on initial channel, it does not do this
[16:00:00] Ediehow: help?
[16:01:00] Merlin83b: What if you start on the channel that exhibits the hicks?
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[16:02:00] ** juski thinks the answer lies in the fact it's on a wireless network (wireless, schmireless) **
[16:06:00] Ediehow: Merlin83b: it's changing to any channel
[16:06:00] Ediehow: starting on achannel is no problem
[16:06:00] Ediehow: or if you pause then resume
[16:06:00] Ediehow: but if you just watch the first channel and stay there, it's OK
[16:07:00] juski: what speed is this wireless connection?
[16:07:00] juski: I mean what do you actually achieve?
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[16:19:00] mlehrer: i'm trying to set up my channels for the first time and i am having a little bit of trouble understanding "transports"
[16:20:00] mlehrer: as it did the channel scan it showed the channel numbers, but now it just lists the transport frequencies
[16:20:00] mlehrer: wtf, how do i determine what channel goes with what frequency?
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[16:52:00] coffee88: Ha! Just spent half an hour trying to fix drivers etc as the damn printer wouldn't print on printable DVDs....
[16:52:00] coffee88: Only to finally figure out it was because the printer was too close to the wall.... Duh!
[16:54:00] coffee88: Is there a Mythweb theme that doesn't involve pictures from recordings?
[16:55:00] DGnome: dtm: !
[16:55:00] DGnome: dtm: :)
[16:56:00] dtm: !!!!!??
[16:56:00] dtm: coffee88: what?!
[16:56:00] dtm: close to the wall for what?
[16:56:00] coffee88: dtm: for the DVD tray to go far enough back so the printer was set..... Duh.
[16:57:00] dtm: :-.
[16:57:00] coffee88: It's a Friday.
[16:59:00] coffee88: Has anyone used MythWap?
[17:00:00] _willcooke_: grrrrr, gcc -> gcc-4.0 no gcc-3.4 That explains a lot of problems I've been having.
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[17:06:00] dtm: _willcooke_: haw haw i have 3.2.2. i have no problems wth mythbackend but i can only run vlc 0.8.1 and not 0.8.4 due to internal compiler errors ^_^
[17:06:00] dtm: _willcooke_: and i run mythfrontend on macos so i dont know about that.
[17:08:00] _willcooke_: dtm, :) – still can't get ffmpeg to compile :( I suspect it's my b0rked include locations
[17:08:00] dtm: _willcooke_: oh yes i didn't mention that i did vlc 0.8.1 wthout ffmpeg
[17:09:00] dtm: _willcooke_: that'll give internal compiler errors either way so far..... i don't know how the heck the distro maintainers did it but maybe i'm doing something wrong.
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[17:10:00] NHIwerx: with svn I get audio sync problems after transcode, is that a known issue ?
[17:11:00] NHIwerx: seen that on dev list but awhile ago
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[17:11:00] _willcooke_: dtm, I give up! ;)
[17:11:00] _willcooke_: I'll try Beirdo's nuv2avi instead
[17:11:00] dtm: _willcooke_: can you upgrade gcc or is that too much stress
[17:12:00] _willcooke_: dtm, I've got 4 and 3.4, so I've just changed the makefiles
[17:12:00] dtm: oh.
[17:12:00] dtm: _willcooke_: oh ok so you're compiling iwth gcc 4 now?
[17:13:00] _willcooke_: dtm, that didn't work either. Given up on ffmpeg, I've got it installed on another machine, so I'll do it from there. Got nuv2avi working now (comp'd under 3.4), it doesnt like nfs shares, or nfs shares don't like it
[17:13:00] dtm: k
[17:13:00] dtm: hehe
[17:14:00] _willcooke_: it's all good clean fun
[17:14:00] juski: I'm having ffmpeg issues at the moment too. trying to turn a DV avi into mpeg2
[17:14:00] _willcooke_: YAY! One converted NUV!
[17:14:00] juski: think the file's just too big for it
[17:15:00] _willcooke_: juski, eeek.
[17:15:00] _willcooke_: juski, what sort of size are you talking about
[17:15:00] juski: erm...
[17:16:00] ** _willcooke_ needs to up the audio bitrate on the transcoded jobs. Sounds horrible **
[17:16:00] juski: it's over 16GB
[17:17:00] _willcooke_: bleedin ek
[17:17:00] juski: one hour of DV typically is
[17:17:00] _willcooke_: I seem to remember something about mpegs only going up to 2gb, or was that a windows thing?
[17:17:00] juski: windows AVI1.0
[17:18:00] juski: plays fine in VLC
[17:18:00] juski: actually.. wonder if VLC will transcode it ;)
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[17:24:00] _willcooke_: juski, you still at work?
[17:25:00] juski: yup
[17:25:00] juski: 'sup?
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[17:26:00] juski: just reading the source of our IDE driver
[17:26:00] bul3: hello
[17:26:00] Kel-kippin: juski.. just the guy I wanted to see.. got a question for ya thats in your area of expertise :P
[17:26:00] Kel-kippin is now known as Kelerion
[17:26:00] bul3: i dont know where to ask about xmltv so i hope it's the right place
[17:26:00] bul3: tv_grab_fr --configure is broken so i cant get tv channels
[17:26:00] bul3: someone know where i can get the tv_grab_fr.conf xml syntax ?
[17:26:00] bul3: thx :)
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[17:26:00] jshriver: greetings
[17:27:00] juski: fire away, Kelerion
[17:27:00] Kelerion: I have a budget of 100 quid.. and I want a night-vision cctv camera.. is that do-able?
[17:27:00] juski: Kelerion: not if you want a good one
[17:27:00] Kelerion: have found one on ebay – but no idea if it's any good
[17:27:00] juski: if it's the sort with the IR LEDs around the lens, avoid
[17:27:00] Kelerion: thats the link
[17:27:00] juski: they get a lovely halo around the image ;-)
[17:28:00] GreyFoxx: c
[17:28:00] juski: what's the link?
[17:28:00] Kelerion: sent a pm.. hope you didn't mind
[17:28:00] juski: I'm in irssi
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[17:28:00] Kelerion: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-Internet-Network-W . . . cmdZViewItem
[17:28:00] kormoc: QUICK! BID! BID! BID!
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[17:29:00] Kelerion: buy it now for 63 quid
[17:29:00] Kelerion: :P
[17:29:00] Kelerion: I have no idea what all those specs add up to though
[17:29:00] juski: not bad!
[17:29:00] thaJeepJerk: Anyone here a Chris?
[17:29:00] juski: 2.5 lux.. not the best though
[17:30:00] Kelerion: I'm not after anything brilliant.. just to catch some kids throwing stones at my windows when I ain't looking.. lol
[17:30:00] juski: what you need to do for better night vision is get a proper illuminator..
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[17:31:00] thaJeepJerk: woops
[17:31:00] Kelerion: I was planning on putting a security light on the same wall
[17:31:00] jshriver: greetings I'm going to build a myth-tv box
[17:31:00] Kelerion: they are cheap as chips nowadays
[17:31:00] jshriver: I want to keep the cost down and was thinking about buying a MSI FX 5200 AGP which has video out
[17:31:00] juski: Kelerion: that'd be okay.. it's not much cash to throw away if it turns out to be crap at night.. seen people pay more than that for not-networked cameras ;-)
[17:32:00] jshriver: anyone know if this wil work under linux? some pages say that w/ the nvidia drivers it works wel as a video card, but not sure about video out, if it works, or how to set it up
[17:32:00] juski: jshriver: it'll work, and so will the TV-out
[17:32:00] Kelerion: okies – I'll give it a shot.. thanks for looking at it
[17:32:00] juski: might even buy one for myself, K
[17:32:00] jshriver: great .. it seems lke a nice card and pretty inexpensive...sub $50
[17:32:00] jshriver: are there docs for setting up video out?
[17:32:00] kormoc: jshriver, I use a fx5200, and it's quite grand
[17:32:00] Kelerion: well.. thats a good enough recommendation for me then
[17:32:00] kormoc: jshriver, all you need to know is in the nvidia driver readme
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[17:32:00] jshriver: kormx: thanks how do you setup the Video out? I'm going to buy it today
[17:33:00] jshriver: ok
[17:33:00] jshriver: where can I get the linunx drivers for the 5200
[17:33:00] kormoc: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html
[17:33:00] jshriver: and does it matter which brand ? MSI I hear is good
[17:33:00] kormoc: you get them direct from nvidia
[17:33:00] kormoc: MSI is quite nice, brands don't really matter /that/ much
[17:34:00] thaJeepJerk: Anyone know what Chris Petersen's Nick is?
[17:34:00] jshriver: :) excited...
[17:34:00] jshriver: is setting up MythTV hard?
[17:34:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, xris
[17:34:00] thaJeepJerk: thanks
[17:34:00] jshriver: going to use a hauppage card for video capt, and the 5200 for video out
[17:35:00] kormoc: jshriver, not if you're familar with linux in general and your distro specifically
[17:35:00] jshriver: aye I feel somewhat confident... for fun I tried compiling it on my debian box.. and it kept breaking..
[17:35:00] jshriver: think it gave me soem errors about Qt.. but I have Qt installed... guess I can just wait till I set this thing up
[17:35:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: not related to xpis is he?
[17:36:00] juski: if you just want to plug it in & go ubuntu is good
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[17:36:00] jshriver: what encoder does MythTV use? normally I used mencoder w/ V4l in the past
[17:36:00] juski: or it was when the packages were all up to spec
[17:36:00] jshriver: hrm will try ubuntu out
[17:36:00] juski: jshriver: best way to capture analogue is with a pvr150 / pvr250 / pvr500
[17:37:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, no, he's not
[17:37:00] kormoc: jshriver, if you get a pvr 150/250/350/500, you don't use a software encoder, it all happens on the card
[17:37:00] jshriver: hrm.. well I like the Hauppauge card and already have one.. but didnt know how mythtv handled recording.. if via mencoder or some other V4L driver package
[17:37:00] jshriver: nice.. who makes that?
[17:38:00] kormoc: jshriver, if you get a bttv card, it grabs the frames and uses internal ffmpeg to encode
[17:38:00] jshriver: my hauppage is supposed to do mpeg2 encoding, but haven't figure it out yet.
[17:38:00] thaJeepJerk: Hauppauge :)
[17:38:00] kormoc: jshriver, hauppage makes the PVR cards
[17:38:00] jshriver: oh
[17:39:00] jshriver: appreciate all the help, can't wait to get this running.
[17:39:00] thaJeepJerk: jshriver: do you use ivtv drivers?
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[17:40:00] jshriver: thaJeepJerk, no.. just the bttv driver in the kernel for the Hauppage WinTV Go card
[17:40:00] thaJeepJerk: ok
[17:40:00] Kelerion: juski: that cam says it can record up to 30/40 fps.. my pvr250 only records 25fps for my normal tv.. so am guessing thats pretty good
[17:40:00] jshriver: it seems to capture alright, but I only have a P3 1ghz and it seemed to slow to encode...
[17:40:00] thaJeepJerk: different card than I thought
[17:41:00] juski: Kelerion: 40fps will be like 1/4 PAL resolution.. fast but looks like a phone video
[17:41:00] Kelerion: thats good enough for cctv I would have thought
[17:41:00] thaJeepJerk: Kelerion: just don't get those crap x10 cameras
[17:41:00] jshriver: I went with WinTV Go pro I believe is the name, because it said it had builtin mpeg2 encoding... might keep that in mym desktop and get one of the PVR cards :)
[17:42:00] juski: Kelerion: go for more res... no good for evidence otherwise
[17:42:00] Kelerion: yup.. 30fps for vga it says
[17:42:00] juski: 30fps is enough
[17:42:00] jshriver: when you do video out, can you have both a TV and monitor hooked up or is it one or the other at a time?
[17:42:00] juski: vga.. 640x480
[17:42:00] jshriver: sorry for the silly questions
[17:42:00] Kelerion: whats the Lux about then? is that how good it handles the dark?
[17:42:00] thaJeepJerk: I don't own one, but I really like the 350
[17:42:00] juski: jshriver: depenends on the card
[17:43:00] coffee88: Kelerion: Not wireless, so are you going to dangle a network cable outside? Or use it through a window....
[17:43:00] jshriver: the FX 5200 AGP
[17:43:00] juski: pvr350s are a waste of space IMHO.. only good for mpeg2, and who only uses MPEG2 these days?
[17:43:00] Kelerion: coffee88: not really a problem.. I already have one cat5 running outside my house.. lol
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[17:43:00] kormoc: jshriver, you can do both
[17:43:00] juski: Kelerion: it's not outdoor rated, so it'll need a suitable housing
[17:44:00] Kelerion: oh
[17:44:00] Kelerion: didn't think about that
[17:44:00] thaJeepJerk: well if you're doing firewire like myself its all you get
[17:44:00] juski: oops
[17:44:00] coffee88: Kelerion: heh! No van's parked outside trailing wires?
[17:44:00] juski: pvr350 is also no use for HD
[17:44:00] juski: Kelerion: lower the lux number, the more sensitive the cam is to light ;-)
[17:45:00] thaJeepJerk: juski: You do HD then? Get many channels?
[17:45:00] ** juski doesn't do HD but has a lot of transcoded DVDs **
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[17:46:00] thaJeepJerk: oh, then you mean HD out, yes, I would agree its not for that
[17:46:00] juski: i've yet to see an affordable HDTV that'll do 1080
[17:46:00] juski: infact.. yet to see an affordable hdtv
[17:46:00] metalac: juski: same here man cheapest is $1600 i found
[17:47:00] juski: and in the uk, all we have is SDTV
[17:47:00] metalac: well i found some 720 that can be had for about $800
[17:47:00] juski: no HD-DVD, no blu-ray and no HDTV.. certainly no free HDTV for a few years yet
[17:47:00] juski: so it's not like I'm in any hurry ;-)
[17:47:00] metalac: ahahaha
[17:48:00] metalac: here with comcast it's $5/month to get hdtv
[17:48:00] metalac: i'm gona get it since my place gets free cable, so $5 extra is no biggie
[17:48:00] coffee88: I get confused.... Is HDTV better than most current DVD resolutions?
[17:48:00] juski: catch22.. why should I buy a set if I can't pick it up? they say.. why transmit it when nobody's got receiving gear?
[17:48:00] juski: HDTV blows DVD away, so they reckon
[17:48:00] thaJeepJerk: DVD only does 720p
[17:49:00] metalac: yeah
[17:49:00] thaJeepJerk: HDTV goes to 1080i on Adelphia
[17:49:00] metalac: HDTV is 1920x1080 i believe
[17:49:00] juski: or 720p
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: thejee: I assume you are referring to HDDVD ?
[17:49:00] coffee88: so are they releasing HD-DVDs to go with the broadcast version?
[17:49:00] metalac: and DVD is 720x480 or something
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: cause a regular dvd is 480i
[17:49:00] juski: you can get 480p DVDs
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[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: Certainly
[17:49:00] GreyFoxx: but that's; no 720p
[17:50:00] thaJeepJerk: So why does my tv increase the lines when I go to DVD?
[17:50:00] coffee88: seems bizzare that you can get better quality over the air than in pysical formats....
[17:51:00] GreyFoxx: theJee: Not know anything about your TV, or your DVD player (maybe it's scaling it up to output at a higher res? Some will do that)
[17:51:00] juski: it's because no standard has actually been agreed and ratified yet
[17:51:00] metalac: yeah, currently it's a big waiting game :) see who's gona win
[17:51:00] thaJeepJerk: coffee88: OTA doesn't have to record :)
[17:51:00] coffee88: juski: So not even M$ has come up with a new "standard"?! ;-)
[17:52:00] juski: oh, you won't be able to burn blu-ray or HD-DVD at home. rest assured
[17:52:00] juski: at least not for TV
[17:52:00] thaJeepJerk: I bet blu-ray you will
[17:52:00] metalac: oh you will
[17:52:00] juski: I bet it'll be crippled
[17:52:00] metalac: everyone thought they wouldn't let you burn DVDs also, and look at us now :)
[17:53:00] thaJeepJerk: well so is DVD recording
[17:54:00] metalac: well you'd probably have to do the same thing with DVDs today, rip then burn as opposed to a straight copy
[17:54:00] metalac: then again when HD camera's start coming out who's gona say you're not allowed to have HD-DVD of your kids bday?
[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: the people with money will say it
[17:55:00] thaJeepJerk: Is the PS3 supposed to have blu-ray?
[17:55:00] thaJeepJerk: isn't that what side sony is on?
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[17:57:00] juski: the 2 camps should both be forced to come out with a single format
[17:57:00] metalac: i'm a physicist and blue-ray is soooo much more appealing to me :)
[17:58:00] juski: I'm an anti-protectionist, so neither format is appealing to me
[17:58:00] coffee88: weren't they trying to agree at one point to save consumer confusion?....
[17:58:00] juski: yes, and then greed got the better of them
[17:58:00] coffee88: I did suspect it would be too good to be true....
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[18:00:00] thaJeepJerk: Its been a while since I looked at this, I just remember HD-DVD not being that impressive
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[18:00:00] sputnik: moin
[18:00:00] juski: moin? non plus!
[18:01:00] sputnik: question about how frontend/backend stuff works...
[18:02:00] sputnik: assuming different machines for frontend and backend,
[18:02:00] sputnik: if i put a dvd in the backend, can i play it back on the frontend?
[18:03:00] xris: sputnik: no
[18:04:00] xris: the only thing right now that goes between frontend and backend is tv
[18:04:00] sputnik: ok
[18:04:00] sputnik: if i want to rip a dvd, i have to put the disk in the backend, then?
[18:04:00] xris: no
[18:04:00] sputnik: or can i rip it with the frontend and encode with the backend?
[18:04:00] xris: backend only handles tv
[18:05:00] metalac: think of backend as your Cable box
[18:05:00] metalac: and think your frontend as your DVD/CD/MP3 player
[18:05:00] sputnik: and media library, hopefully :)
[18:05:00] xris: sputnik: no, not yet.
[18:05:00] sputnik: so i should install the frontend on the backend box so that i can rip and encode my dvds
[18:06:00] xris: if you want to do it that way, yes.
[18:06:00] xris: or put a dvd drive in your frontend.
[18:06:00] sputnik: frontend is an xbox, backend is a beefy amd
[18:06:00] xris: ah
[18:06:00] metalac: hmmmm i wonder, what are the requirements for storage on frontend?
[18:06:00] xris: metalac: nothing
[18:06:00] xris: there are people who boot from a CF card and do everything else over the network
[18:06:00] sputnik: yah, linux has a 4 gig partition on my xbox. works like a charm
[18:07:00] sputnik: what would be the best way to handle ripping and encoding dvds?
[18:07:00] xris: the people who run lxmsuite (well, used to run) had talked about making a mythtv-on-a-pen-drive distro at one point
[18:07:00] sputnik: do it all on the big amd?
[18:08:00] xris: sputnik: if you want it to be timely, then that's likely the best option
[18:08:00] sputnik: ok, cool.
[18:09:00] sputnik: hmm, i guess i could have a mythfrontend instance running under a vnc x session
[18:09:00] sputnik: that'd work well
[18:09:00] xris: sputnik: or use X forwarding
[18:10:00] xris: or get a CLI-based ripper program
[18:10:00] xris: and not bother to use myth
[18:10:00] xris: for the ripping, anyway
[18:10:00] thaJeepJerk: then you could add your own button to run the cli rip?
[18:15:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: only on the same machine
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[18:15:00] xris: well, unless you set up some ssh key-based thing, etc.
[18:15:00] xris: I just figured if you were going to vnc in or whatever, it might be easier to just ssh in
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[18:16:00] sputnik: if i use vnc, i can close the session and let the rip continue
[18:16:00] xris: sputnik: and if you use ssh, you can use screen and do the same thing
[18:16:00] sputnik: screen?
[18:16:00] ** sputnik googles **
[18:16:00] Filip^: there's a nice wikipedia article on screen
[18:16:00] coffee88: sputnik: screen is awsome.
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[18:17:00] coffee88: sputnik: with an "e"
[18:17:00] Filip^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[18:17:00] thaJeepJerk: sputnik: thats what nohup on the cli is for
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[18:19:00] thaJeepJerk: in fact if you made a script to open the ssh session and then execute the command then you wouldn't even have to leave the frontend on your mythbox
[18:19:00] thaJeepJerk: err xbox
[18:19:00] sputnik: wow, cool
[18:19:00] sputnik: ok, nother question...
[18:19:00] sputnik: what's the smallest theme at the moment?
[18:20:00] sputnik: was told that a smaller theme will make a big difference in the responsiveness of the gui on my (slow ass) frontend
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[18:21:00] ** thaJeepJerk cancels order for xbox frontend **
[18:21:00] sputnik: its not that bad!
[18:21:00] coffee88: sputnik: the default is still pretty responsive on my 500mhz epia frontend.
[18:21:00] sputnik: there's a < 1 second lag
[18:21:00] thaJeepJerk: what theme are you using?
[18:21:00] sputnik: but the frontend runs better on my pb 867
[18:21:00] sputnik: default
[18:22:00] coffee88: sputnik: Ooops 600mhz. It IS Friday!
[18:22:00] thaJeepJerk: I bet the mythcenter theme would play pretty well
[18:22:00] sputnik: ok, i'll try that one when i get home. thanks
[18:22:00] sputnik: big problem with xbox is the ram...
[18:22:00] sputnik: only 64 !!!
[18:22:00] thaJeepJerk: or what was the one like it that let you customize?
[18:22:00] thaJeepJerk: you could use whatever that one was and then turn off all the icons
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[18:24:00] sputnik: where do i go to configure transcoding options? just installed transcoder and got mtd running on my master backend
[18:24:00] thaJeepJerk: mythtranscode?
[18:24:00] thaJeepJerk: profiles are edited from the frontend
[18:25:00] coffee88: Is there a MythWeb theme that doesn't involve pictures from recordings? They slow down page loading just a bit too much on the slow box/network...
[18:25:00] sputnik: ok, cool
[18:25:00] thaJeepJerk: WAP does have pictures I thin k:)
[18:25:00] sputnik: there's a way to turn them off
[18:26:00] sputnik: hang on a sec
[18:26:00] thaJeepJerk: s/does/doesn't/
[18:26:00] coffee88: sputnik: I looked (briefly), but it didn't seem obvious....
[18:26:00] sputnik: it isn't :)
[18:26:00] coffee88: sputnik: Ah.
[18:27:00] sputnik: ok, found it
[18:27:00] sputnik: in mythweb/config/conf.php
[18:27:00] sputnik: set show_recorded_pixmaps to false
[18:28:00] coffee88: sputnik: Sweet. Thanks.
[18:28:00] sputnik: line you're looking for is "define ('show_recorded_pixmaps', true);"
[18:28:00] sputnik: i'm running a fairly recent svn version
[18:30:00] coffee88: sputnik: Hmmmmm. In 18. it's not in there....
[18:30:00] sputnik: hmm.
[18:30:00] sputnik: grep for pixmaps?
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[18:31:00] sputnik: hang on, i have a copy of mythweb 0.18 still
[18:32:00] coffee88: sputnik: Got it. I think. In theme_Default.php
[18:32:00] sputnik: yup! just found it too
[18:32:00] sputnik: also in theme_compact.php on mine
[18:32:00] sputnik: in theme_*.php it seems
[18:33:00] coffee88: Works like a good un. Cheers.
[18:33:00] coffee88: Oh so much faster. Yippee.
[18:34:00] sputnik: yah. screenshots of commercials didn't do much for me :)
[18:35:00] coffee88: sputnik: And having the slow box create copies of the ads, send them over a slow link to the webserver etc was a bit irritating....
[18:36:00] sputnik: the new version of mythweb is keen.
[18:36:00] sputnik: when you delete something, it doesn't refresh anymore
[18:36:00] sputnik: the show you deleted just disappears and the list kind of slides up
[18:36:00] sputnik: makes it easy to delete the mountains of crap that i record.
[18:37:00] coffee88: sputnik: sweet! I assume the whole system needs to be 19 or SVN though?
[18:37:00] sputnik: very likely
[18:37:00] sputnik: going to svn was pretty easy once i gave up on using directfb on the frontend
[18:37:00] sputnik: if you follow the build directions, it works like a charm
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[18:38:00] coffee88: sputnik: using gentoo. I like portage..... Keeps most things simple. Ish.
[18:38:00] sputnik: yah, i was using the debian prebuilt binaries
[18:38:00] sputnik: that was easy
[18:39:00] sputnik: but rebuilding and using svn was worth it. playback over wireless works now
[18:39:00] coffee88: sputnik: Though an xorg complie on an epia is an epic experience....
[18:39:00] sputnik: ouch, that must have taken forever
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[18:39:00] sputnik: god bless distcc
[18:39:00] coffee88: sputnik: I started hibernating
[18:39:00] metalac: coffee88: why don't you compile on a faster machine?
[18:39:00] sputnik: i used it when building on the xbox. all the compilation happened on my fast box
[18:40:00] coffee88: metalac: I do sometimes, but the always on boxes are all epias, all with different levesl of gcc now....
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[18:41:00] metalac: coffee88: take the HD out mount it somewhere else and chroot to it
[18:41:00] sputnik: oh, if you build from svn, i found that it wouldn't build with gcc 3.3
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[18:41:00] sputnik: it worked with 3.4
[18:41:00] coffee88: metalac: I did that once, but they are kind of buried away now to keep the SO happy.... I really should sort them all out one day...
[18:41:00] metalac: that's what i do with my slow machines
[18:42:00] metalac: always have one of those external USB boxes laying around for that purpose
[18:42:00] metalac: hell my router is a celeron 850 i do updates on it once or twice a year
[18:42:00] coffee88: metalac: good idea. Ta.
[18:43:00] metalac: everytime i need to compile GCC and glibc i take the drive out otherwise it would take hours :)
[18:43:00] coffee88: I've come to kind of enjoy the zen of staring at hours of compile messages go by. I'm hoping I'll learn something important one day.
[18:45:00] metalac: ahahahaha
[18:45:00] metalac: oh i had this 100mhz chip that i had gentoo on
[18:45:00] metalac: embedded pc/104 type of thing
[18:45:00] metalac: a guy i worked with it acctually thought we should just go ahead and compile everything on it :)
[18:46:00] coffee88: metalac: He had tried gentoo before?!
[18:46:00] metalac: nope :)
[18:47:00] metalac: that box couldn't compile a kernel under a day or two :) let alone a whole system
[18:47:00] coffee88: I kind of guessed that.....
[18:47:00] metalac: it was pretty sweet though got everything to fit on a 64mb CF
[18:47:00] metalac: and ran just fine on that box 100mhz 32mb RAM
[18:48:00] coffee88: what was it's job. or just for fun?
[18:48:00] metalac: school project
[18:48:00] coffee88: Cool. Why ask why?!
[18:48:00] metalac: i was a part of submarine group so i did some electronics work for them
[18:49:00] coffee88: Not one of the ones competing in the states?
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[18:50:00] metalac: yeah
[18:50:00] metalac: human powered :)
[18:50:00] coffee88: Huh?! I was thinking of the robotic ones.....
[18:50:00] metalac: oh no
[18:51:00] metalac: these were big
[18:51:00] metalac: one or 2 people subs
[18:51:00] metalac: mostly powered by peddals and such
[18:51:00] coffee88: Cool! I'm bored. Any links? Water/pcs. Really good combination. Who dreamed up watercooling?
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[18:58:00] metalac: watercooling you say?
[18:58:00] metalac: good article
[18:58:00] metalac: www.overclockers.com
[18:59:00] coffee88: Yeah, seen it. I still can't bring myself to put water and pcs together. I don't need that much speed.
[18:59:00] coffee88: I do like the look of the Zalmans though.
[18:59:00] xris: coffee88: what's wrong with water?
[19:00:00] xris: it's no more conductive than air
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[19:00:00] coffee88: I can just picture the smoke and mess... Dust is bad enough.
[19:01:00] metalac: it's not about conductivity but specific heat of each
[19:01:00] metalac: coffee88: if you use distile water you'd be fine. water needs "foreign" particles to conduct if it's pure H2O it doesn't conduct
[19:02:00] xris: I think a lot of "water" coolers these days also use stuff besides water.. kormoc would know.
[19:02:00] coffee88: One day I'll give it a go, I'm sure. I'm more interested in quiet than perfomance lately, which is why I like the look of the zalman kit.
[19:03:00] metalac: yeah quiet is the key. I don't have particular need to bump 2.0ghz to 3.0ghz
[19:04:00] coffee88: the only way I could even get a myth box in the lounge was to have it fanless, or I was in trouble....
[19:04:00] xris: coffee88: you don't really need water cooling unless you overclock things.
[19:04:00] kormoc: there's stuff that the 'hardcore' water cooling people add to their water cooling devices to get better heat transfers
[19:04:00] kormoc: coffee88, xris will attest to, BTXs are very very quiet
[19:04:00] xris: my new btx case is really quiet. only thing making any real noise is the video card fan
[19:05:00] coffee88: using water to not hve a cpu fan would be good though. Music recording and cpu fans don't mix.
[19:05:00] kormoc: xris, that cpu fan was going at say, 120 rpm?
[19:05:00] metalac: coffee88: you can, that's what i do with mine. It has a 120mm fan that is always off. I can turn it off if get "concerned"
[19:05:00] xris: kormoc: yeah, if even that
[19:05:00] xris: it sped up when using the system, but it was still slow enough to actually see the blades
[19:06:00] coffee88: btx really is that good? not hype?
[19:06:00] metalac: who knows
[19:06:00] kormoc: yeah, it's really nice, esp with one of the thermaltake 'silent' btx coolers
[19:06:00] metalac: there is no boards out there that people test extensivly
[19:06:00] xris: coffee88: I'm pretty impressed with the silence
[19:07:00] kormoc: http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv? . . . t_Code=50089
[19:07:00] xris: the rest of it just looks like a standard pc to me.. other than being upside down and backwards
[19:07:00] coffee88: My thermaltake silent cooler on one box is louder than the stock intel cooler on another almost identical box..... Go figure.
[19:08:00] metalac: omg that thing is 1Kg
[19:08:00] metalac: better screw it down
[19:08:00] kormoc: yeah, it's a little lighter then intel's
[19:08:00] metalac: or keep your tower on it's side :)
[19:08:00] metalac: well no wonder it's quiter :)
[19:08:00] kormoc: intel's is 1.2 Kg
[19:09:00] metalac: it's almost twice as heavy as atx coolers :)
[19:09:00] kormoc: and a larger, slower moving fan, and really well done airflow
[19:09:00] kormoc: it's nice
[19:09:00] metalac: yeah but i got my XP running passive now as it is
[19:09:00] xris: kormoc: so 1.5–1.7G apiece for those biking recordings is a definite improvement. the originals are 7 apiece
[19:09:00] metalac: and once i get A64 it's gona be even easier
[19:10:00] coffee88: How many slots are standard on BTX boards/cases?
[19:10:00] kormoc: metalac, a64s are hotter iirc
[19:10:00] kormoc: coffee88, ours are 2 pci, 1 16x pci-e, and 1 1x pci-e
[19:10:00] metalac: nope
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[19:10:00] kormoc: xris, wowzers
[19:10:00] coffee88: ta
[19:10:00] kormoc: metalac, ooh?
[19:10:00] xris: kormoc: I think they're 4 hours apiece
[19:10:00] kormoc: ahh, that'd be why
[19:10:00] metalac: they're easier to cool of since there are better heatsinks for them, plus they can be undervolted substantaly
[19:11:00] xris: and still have commercials
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[19:11:00] rav3r: so, i'm still having trouble with my nvidia
[19:11:00] rav3r: any guru wanna help me out?
[19:12:00] rav3r: can't get x to start
[19:12:00] kormoc: metalac, sure, if you undervolt, heat will go down on any proc, and same with better cooling, but it doesn't change the fact that at speced voltage and cooling, it's a little hotter.
[19:13:00] kormoc: metalac, I can underclock a xp 1800+ to the point where it doesn't need a heatsink and fan to keep it cool, but that doesn't mean it's not a hot chip
[19:14:00] kormoc: rav3r, why don't you give us the error message, because my metal powers is only telling me that your cat is stalking a power cable.
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[19:15:00] makstum: hi
[19:16:00] rav3r: im not sure, i see X10: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server ":0.0" after 0 reguests (0 know processes) with 0 events remaining.
[19:16:00] metalac: so i just checked A64s have tdp of around 60–89W depending on model
[19:16:00] metalac: while XPs hae from 60–75W depending on model
[19:16:00] metalac: so it's the same
[19:16:00] kormoc: rav3r, this is why there's a log file, in /var/log/
[19:16:00] rav3r: an my cat is over my power cables now, thanks to tobasco sause
[19:16:00] makstum: used anyone (hier) MythTV under FreeBSD?
[19:17:00] kormoc: metalac, there's a 14W difference in the high end, that's not nothing.
[19:17:00] metalac: but 64s have larger surface area to disapate it over with
[19:17:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:17:00] xris: makstum: if you're a german speaker, you might try #mythtv-de
[19:17:00] coffee88: metalac: I read somewhere this week that chip manufactures all aim for 3 levels of heat output, and rig heat/perf to those?...
[19:17:00] metalac: i'm just telling you if you ask anybody on silentpcreview.com they'll tell you that A64s are esier to cool off
[19:18:00] coffee88: Can't remember where I read that though... Grrr.
[19:18:00] ** xris should borrow the ampmeter again and measure his new box **
[19:18:00] rav3r: hmm, the last thing i see is Fatal server error: no screens found
[19:19:00] kormoc: rav3r, in the log file?
[19:19:00] makstum: maybe hier someone can help ...
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[19:20:00] rav3r: i'm looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:21:00] xris: makstum: just wanted to make sure you were getting the best help, since your english is somewhat lacking. Anyway, I don't know of any bsd-using mythtv people hanging out here.
[19:21:00] makstum: I wanna know if someone MythTV under FreeBSD have, what type of (product)
[19:21:00] kormoc: rav3r, likely the error is up above that
[19:21:00] kormoc: rav3r, look for lines that start with (EE) or (WW)
[19:22:00] metalac: makstum: http://mythtv.son.org/tiki-index.php
[19:23:00] rav3r: i also see (WW) NNIDIA: No matching deviice section for instance (BusID PCI:1:1:0) found
[19:23:00] makstum: I knew about Analog, but I need DVB-S
[19:23:00] coffee88: Arrghhh! Chores to do, and a heap less time to have them done in than I though! Later. Thanks and enjoy.
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[19:23:00] rav3r: and (EE) No devices detected
[19:24:00] makstum: if someone have some experience with DVB-S ...
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[19:24:00] rav3r: also see (WW) Open ATM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[19:28:00] makstum: it's hard to believe, that noboby have DVB-S – someone maybe have/had one
[19:30:00] makstum: nobody I mean
[19:30:00] Jusk1: makstum: it is better to ask a direct question in here ;-)
[19:32:00] makstum: Have anyone DVB-S Card with MythTV (FreeBSD)?
[19:33:00] Jusk1: Mythtv can be hard to set up on BSD... but the link metalac posted is good information
[19:33:00] Jusk1: the really hard part will be finding out if FreeBSD have drivers for DVB-S cards
[19:33:00] makstum: yes, but it's all about analog, not DVB
[19:34:00] GreyFoxx: Jusk1: And if they follow the exact same API. I really don't think you could use a DVB card of any kind under FreeBSD with myth
[19:35:00] makstum: only under linux?
[19:35:00] Jusk1: I just tried searching on google. nothing easy to find
[19:35:00] GreyFoxx: makstum: Yes
[19:36:00] Jusk1: looks like it will be _very_ difficult even if it is possible (which I doubt)
[19:36:00] GreyFoxx: Under freebsd it should be possible to use an analog card, and MAYBE a PVR card, but I doubt DVB
[19:36:00] makstum: I've tried google (already) – that's why I'm hier
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[19:37:00] Jusk1: is Linux _really_ so insecure?
[19:37:00] _willcooke_: Jusk1, you a radio ham by any chance?
[19:37:00] makstum: hauppauge PVR under FreeBSD I've heard
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[19:37:00] Jusk1: _willcooke_ whatever made you think that? I'm not that boring am I?
[19:38:00] makstum: but I need DVB-S
[19:38:00] Jusk1: shit.. just noticed I must still be ssh'd into here from work
[19:38:00] _willcooke_: Jusk1, :) – just you're general electronics knowledge, I thought you might be able to lay your hands on some funky radio gear
[19:39:00] Jusk1: _willcooke_: I used to operate a pirate FM station ;-)
[19:39:00] _willcooke_: Jusk1, Quality!
[19:39:00] _willcooke_: Jusk1, I was just reading this....
[19:39:00] _willcooke_: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/articles/BauerSuitsat/index.php
[19:39:00] _willcooke_: Jusk1, .. and I thought "Who might have a radio that can pick that up"
[19:40:00] Jusk1: heh.. I used to have
[19:40:00] Jusk1: but PCs with case sides off would blat it out
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[19:40:00] _willcooke_: I've got an old analogue air band radio, but I doubt it will pick it up
[19:40:00] rav3r: so, any thoughts from this log file?
[19:41:00] Juski: _willcooke_: a half decent scanner from Maplins would do it.. maybe a good 2metre band aerial too
[19:41:00] Juski: airband extends to only 137/138Mhz
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[19:42:00] _willcooke_: Juski, how much does one of those cost?
[19:43:00] Juski: _willcooke_: half decent should be about a ton
[19:43:00] Juski: I still fancy buying one to snoop on TV studio radio mikes
[19:43:00] _willcooke_: I could buy one, then take it back! :D
[19:43:00] ** Juski looks on fleabay **
[19:43:00] _willcooke_: plan
[19:45:00] Juski: time to eat
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[19:47:00] makstum: one more question: if anyone tried MythTV server (stand_alone PC) , and notebook-client (over 802.11b/g)
[19:47:00] _willcooke_: makstum, g should be able to cope, b will play pre-recorded but not live
[19:48:00] xris: _willcooke_: depends on the bitrate you record at.. b is generally considered too slow for mythtv in general, though
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[19:50:00] _willcooke_: xris, I've had limited sucess with b. I've had it working, but as you know, it's not ideal
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[19:51:00] xris: _willcooke_: like I said, it depends on what bitrate you encode at.
[19:51:00] makstum: define it's_not_ideal plz
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: makstum: It often has problems
[19:52:00] _willcooke_: makstum, you wouldn't want to demo your mythtv to your wife over b wifi
[19:53:00] makstum: so – only g?
[19:53:00] _willcooke_: you wouldnt get budget aproval ;)
[19:53:00] makstum: and later .11n maybe ... ?
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[19:53:00] a1fa: yo
[19:53:00] _willcooke_: makstum, I would say "Yes, Only G"
[19:53:00] GreyFoxx: makstum: If you have a clear enough signal G should be fine
[19:54:00] a1fa: 2006-01–27 12:22:26.406 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(-1, NTSC)
[19:54:00] a1fa: what is this error?
[19:54:00] a1fa: my 2nd tuner is not operational
[19:54:00] a1fa: because of this error
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[19:55:00] a1fa: svn version
[19:56:00] makstum: ok: G stand_alone, and if someone (other notebook) also want to watch ... is this real?
[19:57:00] makstum: server _PC and 2 laptops with 802.11
[19:58:00] GreyFoxx: makstum: If both has good strong signal, and your bitrates are not too high on the recordings
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[19:59:00] a1fa: GreyFoxx : does this mean mythtv-setup is screwed up or what?
[19:59:00] GreyFoxx: I've never seen that error, no idea
[20:00:00] a1fa: suckah :P
[20:00:00] a1fa: i am downloading vnc
[20:00:00] a1fa: to connect to my box remotely and administer that doodo
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[20:13:00] rav3r: any ideas about the error (WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device...
[20:13:00] rav3r: ?
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[20:16:00] thaJeepJerk: rav3r: you getting that from X?
[20:18:00] rav3r: yes, when i try to startx
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[20:24:00] rav3r: any ideas?
[20:24:00] thaJeepJerk: can you run lspci?
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[20:26:00] thaJeepJerk: Its only a warning tho not an error, are you sure thats whats tossing you out?
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[20:26:00] rav3r: no, there are a couple errors
[20:27:00] rav3r: i also see (WW) NNIDIA: No matching deviice section for instance (BusID PCI:1:1:0) found
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[20:27:00] rav3r: and (EE) No devices detected
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[20:27:00] thaJeepJerk: so if you run lspci does it confirm that you have an nvidia card at the bus address?
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[20:28:00] rav3r: ispci, i havn't used that
[20:28:00] rav3r: do i just run that command?
[20:29:00] thaJeepJerk: yes
[20:29:00] stuarta: lspci
[20:29:00] rav3r: ok, lots of stuff
[20:29:00] thaJeepJerk: stuarta: nice catch, thanks
[20:29:00] stuarta: np
[20:30:00] thaJeepJerk: lspci | grep -i vga
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[20:30:00] rav3r: i see a line that says nVidea Coporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x (rev c1)
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[20:31:00] rav3r: i did
[20:31:00] rav3r: lspci | grep -i vga
[20:31:00] thaJeepJerk: at the start of that line should be an address
[20:31:00] rav3r: and just got the promt
[20:31:00] rav3r: 01:01.0
[20:32:00] stuarta: that's a dual head capable card isn't it?
[20:32:00] rav3r: my card?
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[20:33:00] rav3r: i dunno, i bought for the svideo out
[20:33:00] stuarta: your card
[20:33:00] stuarta: I get WW in my xorg logfile from the second head pci address
[20:33:00] rav3r: it is a mx 4000 as that line says, but it isn't AGP, is that a problem?
[20:34:00] stuarta: It's identified as an AGP card though.
[20:34:00] thaJeepJerk: what driver are you using for xorg?
[20:34:00] rav3r: is that a problem?
[20:34:00] thaJeepJerk: or are you using xorg?
[20:35:00] rav3r: im sorry if i'm exceptionally slow with all this, i don't know much about linux and i am follow jarrod's guide
[20:35:00] rav3r: i did the yum install
[20:35:00] rav3r: is that what you mean?
[20:37:00] thaJeepJerk: so you're on Fedora?
[20:37:00] rav3r: yes
[20:37:00] thaJeepJerk: is he at FC4 now?
[20:39:00] thaJeepJerk: basically I was thinking that you should have a look at what video driver its using which would be in the xorg.conf or near where your error is
[20:39:00] rav3r: yes, fc4
[20:40:00] rav3r: ok, in the xorg.conf, i see Diver "nVidia"
[20:41:00] thaJeepJerk: in section "device"?
[20:42:00] thaJeepJerk: you may have more luck with the "nv" driver ?
[20:42:00] Juski: it should be all lower case I think
[20:42:00] Juski: nvidia
[20:42:00] Juski: not NVidia, not nVidia
[20:42:00] rav3r: sorry, it is
[20:42:00] rav3r: nvidia
[20:43:00] Juski: have you installed the nvidia driver?
[20:43:00] thaJeepJerk: change the driver to nv and see if that will load your video card
[20:43:00] rav3r: i did the yum install
[20:43:00] rav3r: ok
[20:43:00] thaJeepJerk: Juski: the driver is loading, just not seeing hte card
[20:43:00] rav3r: i'll try
[20:43:00] rav3r: oh
[20:43:00] Juski: maybe the nv driver would be better then
[20:43:00] Juski: dunno though... depends how old the card is
[20:43:00] thaJeepJerk: its PCI
[20:44:00] Juski: PCI express or regular PCI?
[20:44:00] Juski: I'd expect a PCI-E video card to need the 'nvidia' driver not 'nv'
[20:44:00] Juski: but if it's just a regular PCI card it could need either
[20:45:00] rav3r: it's not that old
[20:45:00] rav3r: got it for xmas
[20:45:00] thaJeepJerk: any luck?
[20:46:00] rav3r: i changed it to nv
[20:46:00] metalac: are you sure it's an nvidia card? and if so any clue what model?
[20:46:00] Juski: thought he said it's an mx4000 – that's a nvidia model
[20:46:00] rav3r: now i get no matching device section for instance... and no devices detected
[20:46:00] stuarta: from the lspci it's an AGP
[20:46:00] rav3r: it is mx 4000, and it said nVidea oon the box
[20:47:00] rav3r: it isnt AGP
[20:47:00] metalac: ok try changing nv to vga
[20:47:00] metalac: and just try that
[20:47:00] thaJeepJerk: sounds like you don't have the nv driver
[20:47:00] metalac: if you do lsmod do you see nvidia?
[20:47:00] thaJeepJerk: metalac: scroll
[20:48:00] thaJeepJerk: up
[20:48:00] rav3r: changed to vga, now i get 3 errors
[20:48:00] ** metalac drum roll **
[20:48:00] metalac: and they are......
[20:49:00] rav3r: vga: no matching device..., vga(0): driver can't support depth 24 and screen(s) not found but none have a usable cinfiguration
[20:49:00] thaJeepJerk: where did you get your config file?
[20:49:00] rav3r: sorry, having to copy these from the other monitor
[20:50:00] rav3r: xorg.conf? i dunno, i think the yum install made the changes
[20:51:00] thaJeepJerk: you could try using xorgconfig to make a new one
[20:53:00] ** thaJeepJerk needs to get back to work **
[20:54:00] rav3r: ok, i'll try
[20:54:00] rav3r: once i get a new one, how do i update it for my card?
[20:55:00] rav3r: i do see an xorgconfig
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[20:56:00] kormoc: rav3r, read the nvidia readme, it goes over all of what you need to do
[20:57:00] rav3r: ok, thanks
[21:00:00] rav3r: should i not do the yum install like it jarrod's guide and install the driver from nvidia's site myself?
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[21:07:00] nuxil: hello people.. im tying to get this mythtv to work.. and i have a Q.. how do i scan for tv channels?
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[21:09:00] slide: Is there any guide to get mythtv auto transcode (is that the word) to divx/xvid (im using knoppmyth)
[21:10:00] Agrajag-: nuvexport
[21:12:00] nuxil: pff it jusy a myth that this is a good app :P
[21:12:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[21:13:00] nuxil: why the f does it use mysql.. that suxz..what cant it just use xml files instead
[21:13:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[21:13:00] Agrajag-: nuxil: are you retarded?
[21:13:00] kormoc: well, you could just use something else rather then bitching
[21:13:00] nuxil: Agrajag- sometimes
[21:13:00] Agrajag-: nuxil: there is a fundamental difference between xml files and relational databases
[21:13:00] nuxil: oki..
[21:14:00] nuxil: how do i scan for tv channels?
[21:14:00] Agrajag-: read the docs
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[21:14:00] nuxil: do i need to import?
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[21:14:00] kormoc: the docs are your friend, use the knowledge you picked up in school and read them
[21:14:00] rav3r: ok, anyway to fix my xorg.conf so i can startx?
[21:14:00] nuxil: err.. isnt this a help channel!
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[21:15:00] kormoc: nuxil, sure, for questions not answered in the docs
[21:15:00] Agrajag-: nuxil: it's not an "excuse for being lazy" channel
[21:15:00] nuxil: nothing about that in the topic
[21:15:00] kormoc: rav3r, why don't you put your xorg file in a pastebin and link us to it
[21:16:00] kormoc: nuxil, honestly, it is
[21:16:00] rav3r: i would, if i could start x and get to a web browser :( is there a way to do that from command line?
[21:16:00] nuxil: no.. it says Welcome to the official user-to-user support
[21:16:00] Agrajag-: nuxil: i think the part that says "Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit!" covers that
[21:16:00] kormoc: nuxil, 'Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit!' is about not reading the docs
[21:16:00] kormoc: rav3r, you could put it on a website via ftp
[21:17:00] nuxil: well my english isnt that good so i need help oki
[21:17:00] rav3r: ok, i look into that
[21:17:00] rav3r: io'll
[21:17:00] rav3r: i'll
[21:17:00] nuxil: i cant understand thechiale english
[21:19:00] nuxil: bla bla bla..+++ more bla bla.. then it says,, i gotta use mythfilldatabase to update the current TV listings
[21:19:00] kormoc: and you run the command and it does?
[21:19:00] nuxil: then i get this
[21:19:00] nuxil: You probably should modify the Master Server settings
[21:19:00] nuxil: in the setup program and set the proper IP address.
[21:19:00] nuxil: error resceduling id -1 in ScheduledRecording::signalChange
[21:19:00] nuxil: i got 127.0.0.1 as my ip
[21:20:00] Agrajag-: nuxil: have you even run mythtv-setup ?
[21:20:00] nuxil: yes
[21:20:00] kormoc: the backend's not running, which isn't a issue
[21:20:00] Agrajag-: well i suggest you go back and read those "bla bla" bits more carefully
[21:20:00] nuxil: lol
[21:20:00] nuxil: i done it 100 times now
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[21:22:00] nuxil: i set it to use my card at /dev/v4l/0 <-- my pinnalce card.. then i set it to use west-europa.. which is right.. i use that for kdetv
[21:22:00] nuxil: input source is televison
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[21:24:00] CygnusX1: Can anyone point to a FAQ on adding a PVR-350 to an existing system with a PVR-150...without blowing things up?
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[21:24:00] rav3r: whew, here it is http://www.wannarumble.com/xorg.conf
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[21:25:00] nuxil: rav3r you shouldnt use dri with glx
[21:27:00] kormoc: rav3r, I'll make you a xorg htat will work in a sec...
[21:28:00] rav3r: awesome
[21:28:00] slide: Is there a nuvexport how to on getting it setup and auto converting shows?
[21:29:00] kormoc: http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf.rav3r
[21:29:00] kormoc: rav3r, that should work fine
[21:29:00] kormoc: nuxil, actually, glx works fine with dri on ati cards and other DRI capable cards.
[21:31:00] rav3r: great, thanks, i'll try it
[21:31:00] nuxil: maybe ati card,, but with nvidia card.. glx isnt a friend of dri
[21:32:00] kormoc: of course not, but saying that they don't work together is wrong with most cards.
[21:32:00] kormoc: his issue actually way with the fbdevhw, as that really breaks on nvidia cards
[21:32:00] kormoc: and why more and more distros are using that is beyond me
[21:32:00] ** kormoc grumbles **
[21:35:00] lightx: him trying to build mythplugins from svn and it quits at tabview.o ... http://pastebin.ca/38844
[21:35:00] lightx: anyone has an idea why? ...
[21:36:00] lightx: complains about an undefined reference to MythMainWindow...
[21:39:00] rav3r: thanks, kormoc. now i get failed to load module "nvdia" (module does not exist, 0)
[21:39:00] rav3r: should that be nvidia?
[21:40:00] kormoc: rav3r, yeah, sorry, typo
[21:43:00] rav3r: now i have NVIDIA: No matching Device section for ionstance (BusID PCI:1:1:0) found
[21:43:00] ** scottder got the final parts for his Mythbox today **
[21:43:00] scottder: fanless FX5200 vid card and Belkin PCI wireless card
[21:43:00] rav3r: whould it help for me to upload the xorg log?
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[21:58:00] rav3r: ok, reading the readme on nvidia's site, it talks about downloading NVIDIA-Linux-ia64–1.0-5336-pkg1.run, how do i do that without x and without a browser?
[22:00:00] scottder: wget...
[22:00:00] scottder: lynx
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[22:03:00] xris: scottder: links, not lynx
[22:04:00] xris: rav3r: scottder's right,though.. just browse from your normal machine, and when you hit the download url, just copy it and paste into a terminal for wget.
[22:08:00] rav3r: cool, thanks
[22:08:00] rav3r: can't copy though, different machines. x won't start, that's what i'm trying to fix :)
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[22:14:00] kormoc: rav3r, no ssh?
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[22:15:00] xris: rav3r: ssh in, paste into your terminal program
[22:16:00] xris: or download on one machine and scp/ftp/nfs/smb the file to the mythbox
[22:19:00] hadees: anyone know a linux dvd client that can play iso of dvds?
[22:22:00] rtsai: hadees: both mplayer and xine can do that
[22:23:00] rtsai: hadees: mplayer foo.iso, or xine dvd:/path/to/foo.iso/ (trailing slash)
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[22:33:00] thaJeepJerk: xris: You there?
[22:34:00] thaJeepJerk: wondering if you wanted to talk MythWeb
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[22:34:00] xris: can't now
[22:35:00] xris: maybe later tonight (after work)
[22:35:00] thaJeepJerk: I'll be out drinking, this weekend
[22:37:00] thaJeepJerk: although if you're PST I might make it
[22:38:00] xris: yeah, I'm in seattle
[22:38:00] xris: just happen to have a meeting in a few minutes
[22:38:00] thaJeepJerk: work then play
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[22:45:00] xris: yup
[22:45:00] xris: though I do a fair amount of mythweb-related work at/for work.
[22:45:00] xris: thankfully, I control the license on the code I write here... a lot gets moved between mythweb and work.
[22:46:00] laga: your employer is cool. ;)
[22:46:00] kormoc: laga, yup, buy our stuff (http://www.siliconmechanics.com) ;)
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[22:47:00] laga: hehe. i'll get to that after i graduated, got wife & kids and paid the mortgage ;)
[22:47:00] laga: Move your highest performance, most data-intensive apps
[22:47:00] laga: to a blade form-factor.
[22:47:00] laga: ooh, mythbackend!!!
[22:48:00] xris: laga: blade would be bad for myth
[22:48:00] xris: you want a q500
[22:48:00] xris: 5u, 24 hard drives
[22:48:00] xris: should leave i think 3 pci slots for tuner cards. heh
[22:49:00] thaJeepJerk: just don't do an info on me
[22:49:00] laga: *drool*
[22:49:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, meh, when I did contract work for hp, you guys sent us a failure rate of 25%
[22:49:00] thaJeepJerk: I dunno how mythweb relates to that, but its cool that you make that work
[22:50:00] kormoc: so I wouldn't be worried about hp being around :)
[22:50:00] thaJeepJerk: ouch, must've not been proliants
[22:50:00] rav3r: ok, i've done the installation from nvidia's site. ssh and everything, x still wont start
[22:50:00] thaJeepJerk: the bought me with the servers
[22:50:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: we have some customers who request HP stuff, and we sell it to them. less work for us.
[22:50:00] kormoc: rav3r, what's the error message?
[22:50:00] rav3r: im still getting the NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance
[22:51:00] kormoc: well, go ahead and throw it in your device secion
[22:51:00] xris: rav3r: sounds like you need to look at the Identifier sections of things and make sure the names all line up properly
[22:51:00] kormoc: BusID "PCI:01:00:0"
[22:51:00] kormoc: under the line that is 'Driver "nvidia"'
[22:52:00] thaJeepJerk: kormoc: he said his addy was 01:01:0
[22:53:00] kormoc: oops, rav3r just set the 01:00:0 to 01:01:0
[22:53:00] rav3r: omg, somethings happening...
[22:54:00] rav3r: YEA!!!! monitor out works on the card!
[22:54:00] kormoc: yeah, sorry, pci cards don't get autodectected as well as they should
[22:54:00] thaJeepJerk: so does silicon mechanics do anything with SAN?
[22:54:00] xris: yup
[22:54:00] xris: sanform
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[22:55:00] rav3r: i wondered about the advantages to AGP, but my board doesn't have it
[22:55:00] xris: it's basically a branded intel platform with software from lefthand networks.
[22:55:00] xris: intel keeps hoping that it'll take off as the next big thing, but I think we've sold 4 in the last year.
[22:55:00] thaJeepJerk: Ever worked with any of the HP midrange?
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[22:56:00] thaJeepJerk: yeah, low end SAN is a tough sell
[22:56:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: nope, I don't do much with hardware.
[22:56:00] thaJeepJerk: expensive connect
[22:56:00] xris: thaJeepJerk: yes. since NAS is cheaper/easier
[22:57:00] kormoc: rav3r, agp is way way faster then pci (say, 100x or so with just raw bandwidth), and has a dedicated channel dedicated to itself, but agp is old news, the new tech is pci-express, which is a bit better then agp
[22:57:00] thaJeepJerk: actually we're even seeing our midrange moving to iSCSI
[22:57:00] xris: dunno if sanform is low end, though... costs about $50–100k for a good setup
[22:57:00] thaJeepJerk: midrange is abotu $250k
[22:57:00] xris: ah.
[22:58:00] thaJeepJerk: for banks and what not
[22:58:00] xris: yeah
[22:58:00] kormoc: sanFORM needs to work out the kinks a bit better, and then they could tackle mid/high end stuff
[22:58:00] xris: most of our customers are tech-oriented... care more about massive storage, or bandwidth, or just lots of 1u boxes.
[22:59:00] thaJeepJerk: this is me http://h18006.www1.hp.com/storage/arrayseva.html
[22:59:00] xris: kormoc: sanform would sell better if intel figured out how to market it.
[22:59:00] thaJeepJerk: it would make for some killer myth storage ;)
[22:59:00] rav3r: thanks for all your help. like everything else, it seems so simple afterwards
[22:59:00] kormoc: xris, well, given the reviews, it would seem that they just were not quite ready to launch when they did
[23:00:00] kormoc: rav3r, no problems, glad to help
[23:00:00] xris: kormoc: that, too.
[23:00:00] ** kormoc pokes zip zoom's airplanes to fly faster **
[23:01:00] xris: heh
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[23:01:00] thaJeepJerk: I wouldn't mind one
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[23:02:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, sanFORM is a really rocking idea and really cool tech, and it does work well, don't get me wrong, but more work is needed to make it perfect :)
[23:02:00] laga: reminds me of mythtv ;)
[23:03:00] praet: ack i have a problem getting lirc_serial to work
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[23:06:00] xris: ok, meeting time.
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[23:09:00] thaJeepJerk: is it just me or does mythweb not load right in IE?
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[23:14:00] rav3r: ok, x started, then i rebooted, and now x fails. the log says Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[23:14:00] rav3r: and the log seems to be a LOT longer
[23:14:00] kormoc: that wouldn't cause it to fail, that's a common message
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[23:15:00] rav3r: it also says requested entity already in use
[23:15:00] kormoc: posting the log somewhere would be a good way to get help
[23:15:00] rav3r: cool
[23:17:00] thaJeepJerk: just pastebin it
[23:17:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, he's on a different computer then the one with the error, so it's a little hard to copy and paste
[23:18:00] thaJeepJerk: man I couldn't deal with that, i got ssh going befor eI even started building X
[23:18:00] rav3r: ok, here it is folks: http://www.wannarumble.com/Xorg.0.log
[23:19:00] kormoc: rav3r, what did you change?
[23:19:00] kormoc: rav3r, cause, you enabled DRI and the i810 driver...
[23:19:00] kormoc: AND the fbdevhw driver, which was your issue before...
[23:21:00] thaJeepJerk: is this the config file you made before? "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[23:22:00] rav3r: when i installed the driver from nvidia's site with ssh, it probably changed the file
[23:22:00] kormoc: then how did it work the first time?
[23:22:00] rav3r: and that is when it worked, x started and monitor out worked
[23:22:00] rav3r: and then i rebooted
[23:22:00] rav3r: and now it doesnt
[23:23:00] rav3r: i will try your conf file again, if you think that will help
[23:23:00] kormoc: rav3r, let me put it this way
[23:23:00] thaJeepJerk: I think what kormoc's saying is you have a totally different config file going right now
[23:23:00] kormoc: rav3r, fbdevhw will cause nvida cards to not work
[23:23:00] kormoc: rav3r, dri will cause nvidia cards to not work
[23:24:00] kormoc: rav3r, the i810 driver is the primary device in the file, so it's not even initalizing your nvidia card
[23:24:00] rav3r: hmmm
[23:24:00] rav3r: maybe i should ssh the run file again
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[23:25:00] kormoc: so in short, your current x.org conf file would never work at all
[23:25:00] kormoc: so you or your distro changed it from the time when X started and the time when X failed to start
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[23:25:00] rav3r: im ssh the run again
[23:26:00] rav3r: get it back to when it worked, and then restart and see what happens
[23:26:00] thaJeepJerk: backup the config this time ;)
[23:30:00] rav3r: this time it didn't work after the ssh
[23:30:00] rav3r: :(
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[23:33:00] rav3r: here is the new log: http://www.wannarumble.com/newXorg.log
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[23:35:00] thaJeepJerk: why does your config have two screens?
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[23:36:00] Ediehow: hi
[23:36:00] thaJeepJerk: but this is still the same config file anyways so the same problems are there
[23:36:00] Ediehow: hi
[23:36:00] Ediehow: anyone using frontend remotely?
[23:36:00] thaJeepJerk: howdy Ediehow
[23:36:00] rav3r: when it came up the one time, it had a gui that let me select two monitors
[23:37:00] rav3r: here is the config
[23:37:00] rav3r: http://www.wannarumble.com/xorg.conf
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[23:37:00] kormoc: rav3r, and that gui took your working conf and made it nonworking
[23:38:00] kormoc: rav3r, remove the line that has fbdevhw in it
[23:38:00] Ediehow: kormoc: hi
[23:38:00] kormoc: Ediehow, hello
[23:38:00] Ediehow: kormoc: i get prebuffering pause and audio buffer underruns when using remote frontend, after i change a channel
[23:38:00] Ediehow: but on first channel, it's OK
[23:39:00] thaJeepJerk: rav3r: if I'm not mistaken you don't have a dual head nvidia card
[23:39:00] kormoc: thaJeepJerk, the mx's did have some dualhead cards
[23:39:00] rav3r: no, i thought it would use the other monitor out on my pc
[23:39:00] rav3r: the intergrated one
[23:39:00] kormoc: ...
[23:39:00] thaJeepJerk: oh
[23:39:00] thaJeepJerk: the
[23:39:00] thaJeepJerk: i810?
[23:40:00] kormoc: rav3r, that's gonna involve a bit more work then
[23:40:00] thaJeepJerk: this keyboard sucks
[23:40:00] rav3r: i don't care about using to monitors, just selected it from the list
[23:40:00] rav3r: i don't need 2
[23:40:00] kormoc: so then why select it?
[23:41:00] rav3r: i wish i hadn't
[23:41:00] thaJeepJerk: he must be coming from windows :P
[23:41:00] rav3r: i have windows and os x
[23:41:00] kormoc: rav3r, let me give you a hint. Linux has no real safty net. It will chearfully let you screw the system up beyond repair. :)
[23:41:00] rav3r: linux is new to me
[23:41:00] rav3r: gotcha
[23:41:00] kormoc: you can use the i810 as a second monitor
[23:41:00] kormoc: but it's gonna involve a little different config
[23:42:00] rav3r: i don't need to, this is eventually not going to have a monitor
[23:42:00] rav3r: its for the tv
[23:42:00] rav3r: svideo
[23:42:00] kormoc: you have tvout on the nvidia card?
[23:42:00] rav3r: svideo out on the nvidia
[23:42:00] rav3r: that's why i need to get it working
[23:44:00] rav3r: im going to try the conf that you gave me earlier
[23:45:00] thaJeepJerk: here's a hack of your config http://pastebin.com/526573
[23:45:00] thaJeepJerk: oh good, you already have one ;)
[23:47:00] rav3r: what was that bus line i had to add?
[23:47:00] kormoc: http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf.rav3r <-- should do tv out as well as crt
[23:47:00] rav3r: got it
[23:47:00] rav3r: is that a new one?
[23:48:00] kormoc: yes
[23:49:00] scottder: Do the resolution settings for X effect the S-video out of an nvidia card as well>
[23:49:00] scottder: ?
[23:49:00] kormoc: yes
[23:49:00] kormoc: for the section under TV
[23:51:00] awb4422: I'm using s-video out from my pvr-350, and i can see the myth OSD and what not, but when i try to play back a video of any sort, i see the first second of it, can hear the audio, but the screen is black. I've been looking on gossamer about this, and people have said to upgrade ivtv to .4, but im already running that on knoppmyth.
[23:51:00] awb4422: Does anyone have any ideas?
[23:51:00] dtm: is it possible for mythtv to make predictive recordings? recordings about what it predicts that i'd like, based on my past selections?
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[23:53:00] kormoc: dtm, no
[23:53:00] dtm: kormoc: there's no plugin, etc? not that i'm complaining; there's not enough content out there on analog cable ;)
[23:53:00] kormoc: not that I know of
[23:53:00] kormoc: I've pondered tring to do one for mythweb, but it's rather... complicated.
[23:54:00] pac1: I have a PVR-150 that I haven't been able to configure from mythTv yet. I've looked at a lot of dmesg output on various web sites and mine looks a bit short. I can see entries only for ivtv0, no tveeprom cx28... etc any ideas for me to try?
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[23:59:00] rav3r: ok, here's a new log: http://www.wannarumble.com/newlog.log

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