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[00:18:00] funboy8943: I want to setup mythTV on my computer. I recently got a 7800GT that's supposed to have input. I was wondering if anyone knew if that gfx card would make a good capture device
[00:18:00] xpis: who makes it?
[00:18:00] funboy8943: XFX
[00:20:00] xpis: What kind of input does it have?
[00:20:00] funboy8943: I forget the name, but it has an adapter that has Composite out, S-vid out, and S-vid in that attaches to the port on the back of the card
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[00:21:00] xpis: I doubt it has support in v4l. Look for the framegrabber chip on the card to see if there is any possibility of supporting it.
[00:22:00] funboy8943: hmm. ok. when you say look for the chip do you mean search the net, look at the hardware, where exactly would I find that info
[00:22:00] xpis: nvidia doesn't release specs to driver developers, however, so it would take someone to reverse engineer the windows drivers.
[00:22:00] xpis: look for black chips on the card.
[00:23:00] funboy8943: ah, ok, so directly on the card
[00:23:00] xpis: Google search the letters/numbers on each to see which one might be the framegrabber.
[00:23:00] xpis: Most likely, it'll be a chip with a sticker on it or with a name other than nvidia. And it will be rather small, compared with other things on the chip.
[00:23:00] funboy8943: ah, ok, thanks, I already have a capture card but it relys on the cpu to do all the thinking, it's not like the nice happenauge (spell?) so I figured this might work better
[00:24:00] funboy8943: I'll look into it, thnx again
[00:25:00] xpis: hauppauge, you would mean. (for the pvr-x50 cards)
[00:25:00] funboy8943: yeah, basically the ones that are better than my pathetic pos
[00:25:00] komatsu: hey guys whats up ... i ve been looking over the svn myth site and cant find what the major updats from .19 is going to be ... anyone can shed some light on this?
[00:25:00] xpis: What chipset is your framegrabber?
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[00:27:00] funboy8943: xpis: you asking me?
[00:27:00] funboy8943: yes
[00:27:00] funboy8943: whoops, wrong window
[00:28:00] xpis: yes, I'm asking you
[00:28:00] funboy8943: ah, well I can't tell you yet, the comps currently installing linux
[00:30:00] funboy8943: not to say anything is wrong w/ mythTV but do you know if there is a similar XP compatible open source program?
[00:31:00] xpis: funboy8943: no, not really. Not if you want all myth has to offer.
[00:32:00] funboy8943: xpis: ok, lets just say all I need to do is record a TV show once a week, is there a basic program that will do just that?
[00:32:00] xpis: funboy8943: porting mythtv to windows has been discussed. This is would be very helpful with the frontend, for example.
[00:33:00] xpis: You can set up a shell script to do that.
[00:33:00] funboy8943: xpis: I've read a little on front/back end remind me what frontend is?
[00:33:00] funboy8943: xpis: basically the only reason I ask about xp compatible is last time I tried myth I never could get it to work
[00:34:00] xpis: The backend stores scheduling information and records shows. It figures out what to record, and does the dirty work to record it.
[00:34:00] xpis: If you're installing myth, you probably want to wait a few days for .19
[00:34:00] adante: funboy8943: there's plenty of software in windows which will let you do it, although exactly names elude me
[00:35:00] xpis: (unless you are comfortable with installing an almost-ready development snapshot)
[00:35:00] funboy8943: hmm... ok, I'll consider that, unfortunately the show airs tonight
[00:35:00] funboy8943: I'm comfortable trying just about anything, beta etc
[00:35:00] xpis: Which distribution are you using?
[00:36:00] funboy8943: xpis: also I know this is a mythtv specific channel so I want you to know I greatly appreciate you answering all these questions as well as you have
[00:36:00] funboy8943: Vida-Linux64 1.2, it's a gentoo based OS
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[00:39:00] xpis: ok, you probably want to either install from svn. Either the fixes stable branch or the almost-ready development branch.
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[00:40:00] funboy8943: I'm not familiar w/ svn
[00:40:00] xpis: It's like cvs. Only different.
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[00:41:00] funboy8943: ok, what exactly is that? fyi I'm fairly new to linux, I have some basic working knowledge but not a lot
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[00:42:00] xpis: Read the svn instructions on the mythtv homepage. It's quite straightforward to check code out.
[00:42:00] funboy8943: ok
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[00:46:00] funboy8943: xpis: I'm at the mythtv website but I'm not seeing svn
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[00:47:00] scottder: what distro are you all using for your Myth boxen
[00:48:00] funboy8943: Vida LInux64 v1.2
[00:48:00] funboy8943: at least that's what I'm gonna try to use
[00:49:00] xpis: funboy8943: look under documentation, getting mythtv
[00:50:00] funboy8943: ok, thnx
[00:51:00] xris: scottder: fedora and knopmyth are probably the most popular, followed by gentoo and ubuntu.
[00:53:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: I'm sure just about every distro has been used for Myth by now :)
[00:54:00] komatsu: xpis If you're installing myth, you probably want to wait a few days for .19 ............ is that coming out soon?
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[00:55:00] xris: komatsu: probably a week or two out... depends on last minute bugs and what the other devs decide.
[00:55:00] kormoc: komatsu, a few days? whom said that?
[00:56:00] komatsu: what are the major updats going to be?
[00:56:00] xris: komatsu: too many to list. people did a bad job of keeping track of them
[00:56:00] komatsu: kormoc ... xpis did
[00:56:00] xris: my favorite is that mpg files are now actually named .mpg instead of .nub
[00:56:00] xris: nuv
[00:57:00] kormoc: komatsu, well, until Chutt or one of the core developers give a date, take everything you hear with a large grain of salt.
[00:57:00] komatsu: thats good .. i didnt know for a while that the .nuv files encoded with my pvr-250 was actually ,mpg
[00:57:00] Baylink: Spiffy cool.
[00:57:00] Baylink: Yeah; we don't have a Release Notes page this time.
[00:57:00] xris: komatsu: you're not the only one.
[00:58:00] xpis: xris: someone told me it would be in the next week.
[00:58:00] Baylink: I put it up; hopefully one of our outrageously motivated new contributors will fill it in.
[00:58:00] xris: xpis: what kormoc said.
[00:58:00] komatsu: i was trying mythburn and things like that to get dvd's
[00:58:00] Baylink: Chutt said "a week-ish" on his announce email.
[00:58:00] xris: xpis: I'm technically a dev, and I don't even know when Isaac will be pushing out the new version.
[00:58:00] ** xpis looks to see who told me a week **
[00:59:00] Baylink: Someone paraphrasing Chutt a little too hard, be my guess.
[00:59:00] xris: we're in a feature freeze now. there will probably be a couple of "last call" messages to core developers, and then it'll go live.
[00:59:00] komatsu: well it wil be good to have a new version although the currentworks quite well ...
[00:59:00] xris: .19 will be so much better.
[01:00:00] kormoc: yeah, I'm a fan of the new live tv features
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[01:00:00] komatsu: and thanks to the developers here... i have never been on this irc to talk to any of yall
[01:00:00] Baylink: I'm going to let it simmer a week or two, myself. // SO who *watches* live tv?  ;-)
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[01:00:00] kormoc: Baylink, when I'm testing ivtv! :)
[01:01:00] kormoc: Baylink, but now livetv gets recorded as normal shows, they just expire first
[01:01:00] xris: kormoc: yeah. another thing I need to fix in nuvexport...
[01:01:00] Baylink: Excellent point, Kormoc.  ;-) And I gotta grab a 500. They're stable now, right?
[01:02:00] xris: I think I'll probably push nuvexport 0.3 to go along with .19's release
[01:02:00] Baylink: Yeah, I bitched about that live tv thing, but Isaac doesn't care.
[01:02:00] xris: Baylink: it's a nice feature
[01:02:00] Baylink: Not if you keep lots of stuff online, and need to know how much free space you *really* have.
[01:02:00] Baylink: It's crippling there.
[01:02:00] xris: ahh
[01:02:00] xris: true
[01:02:00] Baylink: Unless you put them on different partitions.
[01:03:00] Baylink: Which I think you can't.
[01:03:00] xris: should request a new disk-space stat from the backend... "space available for new recordings"
[01:03:00] Baylink: Love the feature. Not that happy about the implementation. Didn't write code. Lumping it.  :-)
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[01:03:00] Baylink: But if, y'know, MythWeb wants to tell us... :-)
[01:04:00] Baylink: Spotted one small bug the other day, BTW.
[01:04:00] xris: put it into trac and I'll fix it
[01:04:00] Baylink: Cool.
[01:05:00] kormoc: Gotta get the layout looking nice for my mythweb stats plugin.
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[01:13:00] k-man: it seems as though from the mailing lists that 0.19 is about to come out, is that true?
[01:14:00] GreyFoxx: very soon yeah
[01:15:00] k-man: like days or weeks do you think?
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: days
[01:15:00] k-man: really?
[01:15:00] k-man: thats cool
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: assuming all goes well :)
[01:15:00] k-man: so the svn version is pretty stable now? just bug fixes going in?
[01:15:00] k-man: will the upgrade path be easy?
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: yup
[01:15:00] GreyFoxx: In feature freeze now
[01:15:00] k-man: nice
[01:16:00] GreyFoxx: I always run svn, so my upgrade is usually just from a install that is a couple days old
[01:16:00] k-man: is there many new features?
[01:16:00] k-man: oh
[01:16:00] k-man: ok
[01:16:00] k-man: i'm running .18
[01:16:00] GreyFoxx: but updating from any version should be pretty painless
[01:16:00] k-man: ah, thats good
[01:17:00] k-man: are you one of the devs?
[01:17:00] GreyFoxx: I have the ability to commit code changes, so I guess so heh
[01:17:00] k-man: fair enough
[01:18:00] Krazylegz: xris: You around?
[01:19:00] xris: Krazylegz: yeah
[01:19:00] Krazylegz: Not 100% sure that I'll have time to make it to a meeting, since I have other people to meet while I'm out there and I'm only there for two days. I'll try to keep you updated about it though.
[01:20:00] xris: k-man: mythtv has "devs" who can commit code (like Beirdo), and "core devs" who do most of the big changes, or maintain a specific part like MythWeb.
[01:20:00] xris: Krazylegz: you better make it. kormoc made it sound like you had instigated the whole idea!  ;)
[01:20:00] funboy8943: xpis: I finally got linux installed, I just wanted to check: when you said use svn do you basically mean follow the instructions under section 5.4 manually building mythTV
[01:24:00] Krazylegz: xris: I did. :-)
[01:26:00] k-man: is the number of devs increasing?
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[01:28:00] xpis: funboy8943: yes.
[01:28:00] xpis: funboy8943: You may want to wait for the .19 release though, if you don't want to upgrade or recompile.
[01:33:00] komatsu: what the best way to upgrade from .18 the the current svn ? i installed orginally with rpms
[01:35:00] Baylink: komatsu: there's a page on wiki.mythtv.org about that, but I don't remember quite what it's called.
[01:35:00] Baylink: I don't know for sure that it's current, but worth checking, anyway, I suspect.
[01:36:00] komatsu: ok i will check it out
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[01:40:00] komatsu: will the rework of live Tv stop the xbox (XBMC) myth perl scripts from work working? it used the ringbuffer file
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[01:48:00] wylie: is there a script in contrib to migrate content from one backend to another — say if a slave has limited space?
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[01:50:00] kormoc: komatsu, then likely it will, as there is no more ringbuffer
[01:50:00] hans0lo: I have strange issue with mythfrontend, connectinig to seperate backend server. I don't get any connect failure messages, I can see the program guide, but cannot see any recordings, and it locks when I try to watch live tv.
[01:51:00] hans0lo: I'm lost as to where to look, or how to google that..
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[01:58:00] Kyler: I just upgraded to 2.6.15.1 and every press of a button on my ATI RF remote now sends a bunch of move commands to MythTV. How do I limit this autorepeat behavior?
[02:01:00] Kyler: Ah! I think it's because I didn't get the LIRC drivers in there and it went back to ati_remote. Hmmm...
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[02:05:00] funboy8943: I'm trying to emerge mythtv and I'm getting an error: "emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3"
[02:06:00] funboy8943: does anyone know what this means and how to fix it?
[02:07:00] rjune: it means it can't find zlib later or equal to 1.2.3, you might ask in the gentoo channel on how to fix it.
[02:07:00] funboy8943: ok, thnx
[02:08:00] funboy8943: do you happen to know the name of the gentoo channel? or is it just "gentoo"
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[02:14:00] LearningTOtype: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
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[02:31:00] Myconid3: is mythfilldatabase supposed to loop forever?
[02:31:00] red_fox: Myconid3, nope
[02:31:00] Kyler: I'm watching a DVD through MythTV for the first time. I'm using xv output and -fs but it's not quite filling the full display.
[02:31:00] lawnchair: heh
[02:31:00] red_fox: but it might take a while the first time ;-)
[02:31:00] Myconid3: red_fox: its run through about 6 times now.
[02:31:00] red_fox: Myconid3, it downloads data 1 day at a time
[02:31:00] red_fox: for 14ish days
[02:32:00] Myconid3: I have a ivtv card (wintv pvr 250) .. when I load up mythfrontend and hit watch tv.. should it display on my nvidia video card?
[02:32:00] red_fox: yeah
[02:32:00] Myconid3: its black.. and i get some error about failed to read a ring buffer
[02:33:00] red_fox: have you tested the tv input yet?
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[02:33:00] Myconid3: RemoveFile::Read() failed in RUngBuffer::Safe_read()
[02:33:00] Myconid3: when I try try to test it.. it just does that.. and runs a black screen
[02:33:00] red_fox: Myconid3, you can cat the tv input to a file, without using mythtv
[02:33:00] red_fox: cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpg
[02:33:00] Myconid3: oh.. sorry..
[02:33:00] Myconid3: I did that.. it works fine
[02:33:00] red_fox: no problem
[02:34:00] Myconid3: i watched TV for an hour like that.. cat /dev/video > out.mpg .. xine out.mpg
[02:34:00] Myconid3: and used ivtv's ctrl app to change the channels
[02:34:00] red_fox: oh hmmm... you'll have to ask somebody more knowledgeable ;-)
[02:34:00] red_fox: it does sound more like a myth issue then... have you done mythsetup yet?
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[02:34:00] Myconid3: yep
[02:35:00] Myconid3: I setup my TV card.. etc
[02:35:00] red_fox: you might try again after mythfilldatabase is done, but that shouldn't matter....
[02:35:00] Myconid3: ok
[02:35:00] Myconid3: why is the mythtv UI so slow?
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[02:35:00] red_fox: mine isn't slow... the IR lags a little for me, are you using a keyboard?
[02:35:00] Myconid3: yep.
[02:36:00] Myconid3: it takes like ~second to go into any menu
[02:36:00] Myconid3: which while not slow.. isnt fast
[02:36:00] red_fox: I'm probably around .25 seconds
[02:36:00] hans0lo: I am getting following error when I run mythfrontend on OSX – "length mismatch between programinfo"
[02:37:00] Myconid3: Can't read file: rbuf://127.0.0.1:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv
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[02:37:00] red_fox: Myconid3, maybe check your permissions in the /mnt/store file... also I wonder about that extra '/'
[02:37:00] red_fox: could be a wrong setting in mythsetup
[02:39:00] Myconid3: http://69.164.127.10:8080/log.txt
[02:41:00] red_fox: Myconid3, where did you see the error about reading ringbuf1.nuv?
[02:41:00] red_fox: I don't see that in your log
[02:41:00] Myconid3: lemme reload it for longer
[02:41:00] red_fox: kk
[02:41:00] Myconid3: ah.. sorry
[02:41:00] Myconid3: it doesnt get saved to the txt file
[02:41:00] Myconid3: it gets dropped to my console
[02:41:00] red_fox: ok
[02:42:00] red_fox: your problem might be that extra '/' before the filename
[02:42:00] Myconid3: ok.. its there now
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[02:43:00] red_fox: yeah I would guess that your problem is either permissions on the /mnt/store folder or the extra / after /mnt/store
[02:44:00] Myconid3: ok
[02:44:00] Myconid3: bingo.
[02:45:00] Myconid3: why does it take like 2 seconds to change channels :(
[02:45:00] red_fox: because the cards/drivers buffer the video
[02:45:00] Myconid3: uhg.
[02:45:00] red_fox: don't worry, you won't be watching live tv for long ;-)
[02:46:00] red_fox: pretty soon everything will be pre-recorded
[02:46:00] Myconid3: My friend has a windows media edition box that seems so much faster :(
[02:46:00] Myconid3: can i kill the buffer?
[02:46:00] red_fox: I think if you google around, there are some tweaks to speed it up a little
[02:46:00] Baylink: Myconid3, same reason your cable box does on digital channels.
[02:46:00] Baylink: (Well, much of the same reason...)
[02:46:00] Myconid3: Baylink: its almost instant.. as is dish
[02:46:00] Myconid3: this is like 2 seconds
[02:47:00] Myconid3: can mythtv change the viewed channel?
[02:47:00] Myconid3: mythweb even
[02:48:00] red_fox: digital cable?
[02:48:00] Myconid3: analog..
[02:48:00] Myconid3: running into a PVR250
[02:48:00] Myconid3: that is changing channels itself
[02:48:00] rav3r: i've heard there is a delay when using an ir blaster, as opposed to controlling the box directly
[02:48:00] Myconid3: I am running analog cable into a pvr250
[02:48:00] rav3r: ah
[02:48:00] ** rav3r buts out **
[02:48:00] red_fox: Myconid3, if it doesn't change it automagically, then you need to specify a channel change script
[02:49:00] Myconid3: thats totally hot
[02:49:00] red_fox: probably the same ivtv control program you were using
[02:49:00] red_fox: hehe
[02:49:00] red_fox: you do that in mythsetup also
[02:49:00] Myconid3: i can change the channels in mythtv.
[02:49:00] Myconid3: I want to change them in mythwe
[02:49:00] Myconid3: b
[02:50:00] red_fox: ah, I see
[02:50:00] Myconid3: like.. i can click channel 6.. and my tv switches
[02:50:00] Myconid3: naturally a laptop is easier to find around here than a remote :)
[02:50:00] red_fox: nope can't do that (that I know of)
[02:50:00] red_fox: hehe yeah
[02:50:00] Myconid3: uhg.. guess its time to hack it :)
[02:50:00] red_fox: what I do is use mythweb to tell it what to record, and then watch the recordings whenever
[02:51:00] Myconid3: can i get a dishtv style menu of all channels on the tv?
[02:51:00] red_fox: you mean a program guide?
[02:51:00] Myconid3: yea
[02:52:00] red_fox: sure... I don't remember what the key is...
[02:52:00] EnterServerName: hi all
[02:52:00] EnterServerName: do you guys know of any good internet tv providers?
[02:52:00] EnterServerName: or if there anygood?
[02:53:00] red_fox: Myconid3, for me it is 'S'
[02:53:00] EnterServerName: any ideas/
[02:53:00] red_fox: EnterServerName, do you mean video providers, or show info providers?
[02:53:00] EnterServerName: umm
[02:53:00] EnterServerName: TV providers vide providers
[02:53:00] EnterServerName: internet tv over broadband
[02:54:00] red_fox: ah nope not sure of any, sorry
[02:54:00] ** EnterServerName sighs **
[02:54:00] EnterServerName: My cable provider found out that we were getting free cable
[02:54:00] EnterServerName: and slashed us :(
[02:54:00] red_fox: hehe tough luck ;-)
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[02:55:00] darkdrgn2k: how do you configure the .lircrc file to do stuff in myth
[02:55:00] darkdrgn2k: like how do you know what myth keys do what
[02:56:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, the easiest way is to use mythweb to configure key bindings
[02:56:00] darkdrgn2k: red_fox: will that configure the remotes?
[02:57:00] red_fox: darkdrgn2k, nope, it is the easy way to see and change key bindings
[02:57:00] Myconid3: is winmyth still the only windows app?
[02:57:00] red_fox: then you map remote buttons to keys
[02:57:00] darkdrgn2k: aaa :-D gotcha
[02:57:00] darkdrgn2k: Myconid3: if you can call it an app
[02:57:00] Myconid3: darkdrgn2k: lol
[02:58:00] darkdrgn2k: Myconid3: i was thinking of making a backend server to serve my ati tv wonder... but i donno if its even worth it
[02:58:00] darkdrgn2k: Myconid3: but yet.. its the only one
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[02:58:00] darkdrgn2k: i mean all in wonder
[02:59:00] JeffATL: in trying to schedule a recording, the recording isn't actually scheduliing. is there something about dealing with the GUI that i'm not catching?
[03:00:00] Myconid3: ew.. commercial.
[03:00:00] darkdrgn2k: commercial??
[03:01:00] darkdrgn2k: any one ever have any luck with myth stream?
[03:01:00] Myconid3: commercials.
[03:01:00] Myconid3: can I somehow watch mytv over winamp?
[03:01:00] Myconid3: that would rock my socks
[03:01:00] red_fox: Myconid3, you can export recorded shows to any format
[03:01:00] red_fox: I don't know about watching it live...
[03:02:00] red_fox: maybe you could use samba to stream the .nuv file, it is mpeg2
[03:02:00] darkdrgn2k: Myconid3: if you want live tv use lvc
[03:02:00] darkdrgn2k: Myconid3: but thats not mnyth!
[03:02:00] JeffATL: are you supposed to arrow dpwn to "[save these settings]" and hit space or enter or something?
[03:03:00] red_fox: JeffATL, yeah I believe so... I use mythweb to set recording schedules
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[03:04:00] JeffATL: when i do that, it takes me back to the program schedule but adds nothing to the recording queue
[03:06:00] red_fox: hmm sorry I'm not really familiar with that UI
[03:06:00] red_fox: just keep pushing buttons till it works ;-)
[03:07:00] JeffATL: mythweb won't accept the mythtv username and password
[03:08:00] darkdrgn2k: mythweb has a mythtv l and p ?!?!?!?
[03:08:00] darkdrgn2k: any one ever have any luck with myth stream?
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[03:08:00] JeffATL: i just pointed another machines's browser at the pvr and tried it
[03:09:00] red_fox: JeffATL, you may need to play around with the .htaccess file or something
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[03:09:00] xris: JeffATL: which version of mythweb?
[03:10:00] JeffATL: if i have to "play around" with anything, imightn't i be playing aroun dwith why the frontend is broken?
[03:10:00] xris: JeffATL: that sounds like a good idea.
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[03:12:00] JeffATL: $ mythfrontend --version
[03:12:00] JeffATL: 0.18.1.20050523–1
[03:12:00] JeffATL: xris: see above
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[03:13:00] Myconid3: wow.. winmyth sux
[03:14:00] defi_: the win makes it suck
[03:15:00] red_fox: yeah, if they would just rename the thing...
[03:15:00] xris: JeffATL: then your db config for mythweb is in config/conf.php
[03:16:00] xris: if you're getting db errors, the next thing to do is try connecting via the mysql commandline client.
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[03:17:00] JeffATL: xris: i don' tknow if i am or not...
[03:18:00] JeffATL: could someone tell me what the prcess is for selecting a program for recording from the program guide? the documentation doesn't discuss it and the giui doesn't indicate what keys do what
[03:19:00] xris: JeffATL: hit r? (actually, I don't know, since I do all of my scheduling in mythweb)
[03:19:00] darkdrgn2k: how do you play ASX files in linux?
[03:20:00] xris: darkdrgn2k: xine with win32codec installed
[03:20:00] darkdrgn2k: xris: can myth be set up to play it
[03:20:00] xris: darkdrgn2k: you can tell mythvideo to use xine
[03:21:00] red_fox: off the wall question... is there an easy way to play videos from a data cd in myth?
[03:21:00] JeffATL: hitting r does nothing. does anyone here select programs for recording using the program guide?
[03:21:00] darkdrgn2k: whats teh win32codec called.. anyu idea?
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[03:21:00] xris: depends on your distro
[03:21:00] rjune: darkdrgn2k: what distro?
[03:21:00] xris: w32codec in some
[03:21:00] darkdrgn2k: mandriva
[03:22:00] red_fox: in gentoo they are called 'win32codecs'
[03:22:00] xris: atrpms' w32codec should work
[03:22:00] rjune: yeah
[03:22:00] darkdrgn2k: u mean urpmi :-P
[03:22:00] darkdrgn2k: no such thing:0S
[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: win32-codec
[03:23:00] rjune: darkdrgn2k: no, he means go to atrpms.net and look for w32codec, and install it
[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: aa :-P
[03:23:00] darkdrgn2k: i found it
[03:24:00] darkdrgn2k: win32-codecs theyt call it
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[03:25:00] xris: darkdrgn2k: I suggested atrpms because I didn't know what repositories you had in urpmi, or if they'd have it.
[03:26:00] JeffATL: is there anyway to at least detect if there is some sort of error occurring in the entire mythtv system?
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[03:26:00] xris: JeffATL: yes, the backend log
[03:26:00] xris: but what problems are you having?
[03:27:00] EnterServerName: exity
[03:27:00] EnterServerName: exit
[03:27:00] EnterServerName: exit
[03:27:00] xris: EnterServerName: no
[03:27:00] red_fox: hehe
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[03:28:00] darkdrgn2k: hmm whats xine sopposedly called
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[03:29:00] red_fox: xine or xine-lib
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[03:30:00] red_fox: there are frontends like gxine
[03:30:00] xris: usually just xine
[03:30:00] xris: for the frontend, anyway
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[03:30:00] JeffATL: xris: the backend log says 2 things: "reschedule requested for id 18" and "scheduled 0 items in
[03:31:00] xris: JeffATL: first, tell me what the problem is.
[03:31:00] JeffATL: 0.2 = 0.16 match + 0.01 place"
[03:32:00] JeffATL: xris: it pays no attention to attempts to schedule programs to record from the p[rogram guide
[03:32:00] riddlebox: in order to set a manual recording, what fields do you need to insert into the record table in mysql?
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[03:32:00] xris: riddlebox: use the frontend or mythweb
[03:33:00] riddlebox: xris, I am setting a manual record script to be used with Asterisk, when I call in
[03:33:00] darkdrgn2k: is there any way to remotely control the display (say display :0) with a mouse
[03:33:00] xris: riddlebox: mythphone can do that
[03:33:00] xris: but then I suggest looking at how mythweb does it.
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: use vnc ?
[03:33:00] Niteryder: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
[03:33:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: vnc uses a seperate screen
[03:34:00] riddlebox: xris, no I want to call my house, then enter a menu, which I will answer with dtmf, to setup a recording
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: i want to control the consol's screen
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: No :)
[03:34:00] xris: riddlebox: yes
[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: how do you do that then
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: x11vnc -display :0
[03:34:00] xris: mythphone has a vxml plugin to drive mythweb over the phone
[03:34:00] GreyFoxx: then vnc to the box
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[03:34:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: but the console is on my tv not in a vnc server
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[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: So ?
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[03:36:00] JeffATL: xris: it's also refusing to schedule manual recordings
[03:37:00] xris: JeffATL: run mythfrontend from the commandline with the "-v all" option
[03:37:00] xris: could do the same for the backend.
[03:37:00] JeffATL: xris: ok
[03:39:00] JeffATL: xris: this looks suspicious at frontend launch: mythtv: could not connect to socket
[03:39:00] JeffATL: mythtv: Connection refused
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[03:39:00] xris: JeffATL: running on same or different machines?
[03:39:00] JeffATL: xris: same
[03:40:00] xris: and the backend is running?
[03:40:00] JeffATL: xris: and ps aux shows i have a backend running
[03:40:00] xris: hmm
[03:40:00] xris: what distro?
[03:40:00] JeffATL: xris: knoppmyth
[03:40:00] JeffATL: it has recorded before
[03:40:00] JeffATL: but i fixed some broken things like time and timezone
[03:41:00] xris: have you rebooted since?
[03:41:00] JeffATL: re-downloaded listings so the listings' tim ewould be right
[03:41:00] JeffATL: ph yeah
[03:41:00] JeffATL: oh yeah
[03:41:00] redline--: hey anyone know if current svn is still at proto 25?
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: redline--: Nope, 26 I think
[03:42:00] redline--: ack, is mythweb up to date?
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: changed twice in 24 hours
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: Mine is
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[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: but then I'd just edit the php file if it wasn't :)
[03:42:00] redline--: so current svn uses 26 then?
[03:43:00] Niteryder: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
[03:43:00] Niteryder: Or how to do it?
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: redline--: I believe so
[03:43:00] redline--: wasnt sure if it was that easy Grey
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: it usually is
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: rarely do protocol changes actually break mythweb
[03:44:00] redline--: having some recording issues right now with pvr 500 and myth
[03:44:00] redline--: funky stuff going on
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[03:45:00] xris: JeffATL: dunno what to say. sounds like your frontend can't talk to the backend... unless of course it later "seems" to work...
[03:45:00] redline--: you guys run into any issues if you turn on transcode while recording that it will not FFwd passed a certain spot in the recording?
[03:45:00] redline--: not transcode, just commercial skip I mean
[03:45:00] ** GreyFoxx doesn't transcode or commflag **
[03:46:00] JeffATL: xris: the frontebd is not complaining about the backend not runnin g or can't connect to it
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[03:47:00] xris: JeffATL: then that error seems a little out of place
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[03:50:00] Goose-Npa: hello
[03:50:00] scottder: With a 1.2ghz machine with 1gb of RAM, that should be able to decode fine, (not worried about encoding since PVF-150 will handle that)
[03:50:00] redline--: GreyFoxx: do you how close svn is to being .19 release?
[03:51:00] redline--: yes scottder
[03:51:00] Goose-Npa: anyoen know how to set the default audio level in xine, i checked the docs couldn't find anything. For some reason when i play a video in xine it starts with the audio on 0
[03:51:00] redline--: i have a 1 gig 512 frontend and works just fine
[03:51:00] GreyFoxx: redline--: ~week
[03:52:00] redline--: cool
[03:52:00] redline--: Goose-Npa: maybe your mixer sttings?
[03:53:00] JeffATL: xris: here is mythfrontend -v all aafter launcing: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HqS4j014.html
[03:53:00] xris: JeffATL: that's only useful to the person performing the function and seeing what prints out when it happens
[03:55:00] JeffATL: xris: i don't understand
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[03:58:00] xris: get to the point where you want to record, go back to the console, press enter a few times to leave some space in the printout from the frontend, go back to the frontend and set up your recording, then go look at what the console said.
[03:59:00] JeffATL: xris: ok
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[04:04:00] |Pir8|: any one know a place to get xebian bootable .iso ?  :S
[04:05:00] Beirdo: googlr?
[04:05:00] JeffATL: xris: okay, here it is. the stuff up to the gap is launching and navigating to the program schedule. after the gapis after having attemtped to make it record a show http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7IOfxb72.html
[04:05:00] Beirdo: ahoy, xris, just got home :)
[04:05:00] xris: Beirdo: 'evening
[04:06:00] Beirdo: now we'll be doing Toronto-based stuff until Sunday :)
[04:06:00] JeffATL: xris: note it's talking abou trescheduling, like when i looked at the backend log
[04:06:00] xris: JeffATL: and not about setting up the recording.
[04:06:00] xris: dunno, no errors, either.
[04:06:00] xris: Beirdo: cool
[04:06:00] JeffATL: xris: i thorize that this may have been caused by fixing the timezone
[04:07:00] xris: JeffATL: that makes no sense, though
[04:07:00] xris: you could try wiping the channel and program tables and re-downloading things, though.
[04:08:00] JeffATL: xris: i already did that, because the listings were all wrong time-wise
[04:08:00] JeffATL: well, the program tables, at least
[04:08:00] xris: JeffATL: it's like the frontend isn't even trying to record
[04:09:00] JeffATL: xris: exactly
[04:10:00] xris: dunno what to say
[04:11:00] JeffATL: is there a way i can lobotomize mysql and startover with mythtv-setup?
[04:11:00] JeffATL: just drop the database?
[04:13:00] GreyFoxx: drop databsae mythconverg;
[04:13:00] GreyFoxx: create database mythconverg;
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[04:17:00] JeffATL: is there a way i can lobotomize mysql and startover with mythtv-setup?
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: did I stutter ;)
[04:17:00] xris: JeffATL: ^^^
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[04:17:00] JeffATL: no, accidental uparrow
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[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: been there all to many times :)
[04:18:00] rav3r: i'm trying to get JFS to work, but I wonder, is it the best file system to use, or should i use another on for my video part?
[04:18:00] rav3r: *one
[04:19:00] rav3r: i already have the lvm, just need to set up a file system
[04:19:00] JeffATL: GreyFoxx: then what – myth.rebuilddatabase.pl?
[04:20:00] xris: rav3r: xfs or ext3.. anything else is "unstable" and unrecommended.
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: JeffATL: No, just run mythtv-setup
[04:20:00] rav3r: why does jerod's guide recommend it?
[04:20:00] xris: JeffATL: you'll lose dates/times/titles.. but yes
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[04:20:00] xris: rav3r: it does?
[04:20:00] JeffATL: xris: i think i WANT to lose dates and times!
[04:20:00] ** xris makes a mental note to slap jarod next time they're together. **
[04:21:00] rav3r: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php look at the table with the partitions
[04:21:00] xris: JeffATL: on your recordings? maybe
[04:21:00] GreyFoxx: If you are starting from scratch just drop it, create a new one, and run mythtv-setup
[04:22:00] xris: hmm, actually, if Jarod recommends jfs, it's probably trustworthy
[04:22:00] xris: personally, I wouldn't trust it.
[04:22:00] xris: but Jarod knows what he's talking about.
[04:22:00] rav3r: i just wish it the guide had more details on how to do it
[04:23:00] kormoc: you just need the jfs tools...
[04:23:00] rjune: is it supposed to be for speed or something?
[04:23:00] xris: xfs is still imho the best option for the data partition as long as you're not stacking software raid and LVM on top of each other.
[04:23:00] xris: rav3r: when you get to the LILO prompt for the installer, type: linux xfs
[04:23:00] xris: or: linux jfs
[04:23:00] xris: that'll enable the utils for that partition tyoe
[04:23:00] xris: typew
[04:23:00] rav3r: i've already installed
[04:23:00] ** xris kicks his new ergonomic keyboard **
[04:24:00] rjune: heh
[04:24:00] xris: rav3r: then you're stuck
[04:24:00] rav3r: ok, thanks
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[04:25:00] xris: you could reformat the second partition if you made one, but if you're just starting out, it might be easier to just reinstall
[04:25:00] rav3r: i've been able to continue to work on the partition after installing, just need to get the file system on there
[04:25:00] xris: man
[04:25:00] xris: man mkfs
[04:25:00] rjune: mkfs.jfs
[04:26:00] rav3r: when i run mkfs.jfs, it says it's not found. i do a locate for jfs and find a few files and directorys, but none say "mkfs.jfs"
[04:26:00] rjune: if it's not installed, yum provides mkfs.jfs should find it
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[04:26:00] rav3r: and i ran the yum updater
[04:27:00] kormoc: http://jfs.sourceforge.net/
[04:27:00] kormoc: there you go
[04:27:00] rav3r: thank you, i will look at it
[04:28:00] xris: rav3r: listen to rjune
[04:28:00] rjune: apparently I know what I'm talking about too
[04:28:00] rjune: though it seems that 50% of the time, my mythboxes like to goof off for 30s when I use the UI to exit
[04:29:00] ** xris is searching yum for jfs utils. **
[04:30:00] rjune: personally, I just use whatever the default for the os is
[04:30:00] xris: xfs is nice for mythtv's data partition because it's so fast with large files.
[04:30:00] rjune: so the standalone boxes get ext3, and the sles box get's reiser
[04:30:00] rav3r: xris, are you saying i should just do xfs and forget jfs?
[04:31:00] rjune: that would be his preference
[04:31:00] xris: rav3r: as long as you're not stacking lvm and software raid, xfs is good.
[04:31:00] xris: that's what jarod's guide says, too
[04:31:00] rav3r: i don't think i have done anything with raid
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[04:31:00] kormoc: rjune, just remember, reiser has... issues with data recovery
[04:32:00] Krazylegz: Roadtrip to Canada to see Beirdo!
[04:32:00] rjune: kormoc: I only have one drive in my server atm.
[04:32:00] Beirdo: hHAH
[04:32:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, he's much closer to you
[04:32:00] xris: Krazylegz: at least you're in the neighborhood
[04:32:00] rav3r: i set up the lvm with the console
[04:32:00] Krazylegz: Oh yeah, Toronto.
[04:32:00] rav3r: after installation
[04:32:00] kormoc: and besides, Vancouver folk suck
[04:33:00] JeffATL: is the "directory to hold recordings" in mythtv-setup
[04:33:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: Don't you have some code to commit to MythWeb or something? ;-)
[04:33:00] kormoc: yes I do, which I'm playing with at the moment
[04:33:00] rjune: kormoc: so then your g/f is from vancouvor?
[04:33:00] kormoc: rjune, I never said they suck in a good way :P
[04:34:00] JeffATL: is the "directory to hold recordings" in mythtv-setup the one that has folders called video, prettyt, tmp., tv. and so on?
[04:34:00] kormoc: JeffATL, it's where recordings go
[04:34:00] kormoc: JeffATL, no extra directorys, just a bunch of files
[04:35:00] rav3r: "XFS provides deletion speeds for large files only slightly slower than JFS" -i think if xfs installes eaiser, it's worth it for a slight speed trade-off
[04:35:00] JeffATL: kormoc: i kn ow, but i'm trying to run mythtv-setupo on a preexisting install in which the whole db is being rebuilt
[04:35:00] defaultro: hey guys, what is the configure parameter for "DTS passthrough"?
[04:35:00] xris: JeffATL: I usr /var/video.. I forget what the default is
[04:35:00] kormoc: yeah... I use /mnt/tv
[04:36:00] defaultro: and also, what is the configure paramter for DVD playback
[04:36:00] xris: hmm, baylink said he had a mythweb bug for me, but never put it in trac.
[04:36:00] xris: oh well
[04:36:00] JeffATL: ok, well, knoppmyth takes the "big partition" and mounts it as "/myth" and puts those dirs and i listed and more in it – i'm just trying to match up everything to how it was
[04:37:00] JeffATL: it might want it to mbe "/myth/video" because there were some VOB files in there from a ripped dvd
[04:38:00] xris: JeffATL: that's fine, as long as you configure myth as such
[04:38:00] defaultro: does myth know about libdca? libdca is successor of libdts
[04:38:00] scottder: I picked up the Happaude PVR-150 kit with there remote, is there a lirc config for this remote
[04:40:00] JeffATL: xris: that's my plan
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[04:41:00] scottder: it has the USB IR reciever included
[04:48:00] scottder: I hope that reciever works
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[04:49:00] xris: scottder: I think it does
[04:50:00] xris: kormoc: update your mythweb and let me know if you still have mouseover flicker issues
[04:50:00] kormoc: kk
[04:51:00] kormoc: no flicker, but there is a problem
[04:51:00] xris: ?
[04:51:00] kormoc: on the scheduled recordings page, the ones at the bottom, the popup still goes under the bottom one, so it's out of the viewable area
[04:52:00] xris: odd. works for me now
[04:52:00] xris: could be an opera glitch?
[04:52:00] rav3r: anyone know of a good linux info channel?
[04:52:00] dtm: rav3r: #linuxhelp
[04:53:00] kormoc: xris, looks like that way, works fine in mozilla
[04:54:00] xris: yeah. can track it down in opera at some point
[04:54:00] JeffATL: xris: look at how my mythfilldatabse ends: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/JOhKTz68.html
[04:54:00] scottder: Not finding anything on the reciver crao
[04:54:00] scottder: crap
[04:55:00] xris: sounds like your backend isn't running
[04:55:00] xris: which it doesn't have to be at this point
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[04:59:00] mchou: damn, google maps now works in konqueror...when did that happen?
[05:00:00] scottder: crap crap
[05:00:00] mchou: hey xris, you know if sqlite is in 0.19 or no?
[05:01:00] GreyFoxx: Not
[05:01:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: ok, thx
[05:01:00] mchou: GreyFoxx: that might have been a major headache :)
[05:02:00] scottder: GreyFoxx: do you know if the USB IR reciever bundled with the PVR-150 works with Mythtv
[05:02:00] GreyFoxx: scottder: No idea. The real question is if it works with lirc
[05:02:00] mchou: pvr-150 has a bundled USB ir reciever??
[05:03:00] mchou: I thought it's an i2c with kind of a stero mini-plug
[05:03:00] scottder: the one I bought did
[05:03:00] mchou: stereo*
[05:03:00] mchou: scottder: was this a "special" version or what?
[05:04:00] mchou: or what does the remote control itself look like?
[05:04:00] xris: mchou: not that I know of
[05:04:00] mchou: xris: ok, thx.
[05:04:00] scottder: nope just the MCE bundle I picked up at CompUSA
[05:05:00] mchou: scottder: weird. The MCE bundle has a remote now? How much was the bundle?
[05:06:00] scottder: Hold on
[05:06:00] scottder: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . amp;pfp=cat3
[05:06:00] mchou: scottder: hmm, interesting.....
[05:07:00] mchou: scottder: that looks like a regular MCE remote
[05:07:00] mchou: I think it works under linux ( Dont quote me though :))
[05:07:00] scottder: Yeah...and that reciever box, has a USB connector
[05:08:00] scottder: Well I guess I'll find out
[05:08:00] rav3r: that's what i got, i cracked it open and swapped the windows logo with a mythtv logo
[05:08:00] mchou: rav3r: haha
[05:08:00] scottder: rav3r: hehehe cool
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[05:08:00] rav3r: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1498/868/640/100_0567.jpg
[05:09:00] mchou: rav3r: stop taking drugs, gives ya the shakes :)
[05:09:00] rav3r: never was very good at those close up shots
[05:10:00] mchou: rav3r: you got the remote working in linux?
[05:10:00] rav3r: i am so far from that, still trying to set up my partions ;0)
[05:10:00] mchou: rav3r: haha
[05:10:00] rav3r: is there a problem with that remote in linux?
[05:11:00] defaultro: mchou, hey, how are you?
[05:11:00] mchou: hi defaultro :)
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[05:11:00] defaultro: brb
[05:11:00] scottder: rav3r: what do you use for the IR reciver with that
[05:12:00] mchou: rav3r: according to lirc.org the remote seems to work under linux
[05:13:00] scottder: mchou: did you mean me?
[05:14:00] rav3r: scottder: like i said, i'm not that far, but there is an ir blaster with it but i hope i can connect directly to my cable box
[05:14:00] scottder: not worried about the blaser, worried about the reciever
[05:14:00] rav3r: thanks mchou, good to know
[05:14:00] scottder: I got this package for the remote and stuff...
[05:15:00] rav3r: it came with a reciever too
[05:15:00] mchou: rav3r: there is a lirc_mceusb module for lirc :)
[05:16:00] rav3r: i didn't mean to hijack the discussion, like i said, i am far from that point right now
[05:16:00] rav3r: but good to know for when i get there ;0)
[05:16:00] mchou: rav3r: well, that was also meant for scottder
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[05:17:00] scottder: Cool
[05:17:00] rav3r: i actually got the pvr 150 for my birthday in november, and i am still working on my mythbox
[05:18:00] mchou: hmm, no I got to go to the surplus place and scrounge up some MCE remotes and receivers :)
[05:18:00] rav3r: just got the rest of the parts a couple weeks ago (thanks, newegg)
[05:19:00] mchou: anyone want to buy a PAL pvr500 for cheap? :)
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[05:20:00] JeffATL: xris: there has been no change. recordings refuse to schedule.
[05:21:00] JeffATL: it looks like i am going to have to do a reinstall because of a problem i cannot fix.
[05:22:00] mchou: JeffATL: hehe, so you think a reinstall will fix that? :)
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[05:23:00] JeffATL: mchou: best i can tell, ii've done somethin g(fix time from UTC to EST5EDT) that falls thru the cracks in the whole mythtv system
[05:24:00] mchou: JeffATL: wow, you mean re-install linux? :)
[05:24:00] mchou: JeffATL: hehe...
[05:24:00] JeffATL: mchou: this is a knoppmyth install, so in this case, the linux install and the mythtv install were one and the same
[05:25:00] JeffATL: mchou: and i only went this route because i couldn't quite get a running system under gentoo – i came close – i coulsd watch tv coming in through cable – but i moved the box to where the tv and hooked it up and then the backup wouldn't start and i couldn't get picture
[05:25:00] mchou: JeffATL: when you type "date" on the cli does it give you the correct local time?
[05:26:00] JeffATL: mchou: yes, now
[05:26:00] JeffATL: s/backup/backend/
[05:26:00] mchou: JeffATL: paste the date line.....
[05:26:00] mchou: JeffATL: here....
[05:27:00] JeffATL: Wed Jan 25 00:26:54 EST 2006
[05:27:00] JeffATL: wait
[05:27:00] JeffATL: it's not the 25th is it?
[05:28:00] JeffATL: yes it is
[05:28:00] mchou: JeffATL: it is if it's past 12 AM :)
[05:28:00] defaultro: mchou, remember last year, we were talking about fusion lite card? I bought one and it's pretty working well
[05:28:00] mchou: defaultro: nice....
[05:28:00] JeffATL: well, all is notlost – if igo the gentoo route, i can at least take my working xorg.conf
[05:28:00] mchou: defaultro: where did you buy it?
[05:29:00] defaultro: cyberestore
[05:29:00] mchou: defaultro: and how $
[05:29:00] defaultro: same store where i got air2pc
[05:29:00] defaultro: $99 free shipping
[05:29:00] JeffATL: gnite all and thanks for your assistance
[05:29:00] mchou: defaultro: was that the cheapest you found at the time?
[05:29:00] defaultro: yep
[05:29:00] JeffATL: i will almost certainly be back; mythtv on gentoo is not documented very well
[05:30:00] mchou: defaultro: you try out the QAM on it?
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[05:30:00] defaultro: there are others like avermedia but i don't see too much people
[05:30:00] mchou: JeffATL: I'm not done with ya :)
[05:30:00] defaultro: yeah, i'm using QAM256 now
[05:30:00] defaultro: however, I can only get local hd
[05:30:00] mchou: defaultro: nice
[05:30:00] mchou: defaultro: what else did you expect? :)
[05:30:00] defaultro: some area is able to see discovery hd, tnt hd
[05:31:00] mchou: defaultro: ahh :)
[05:31:00] defaultro: i was hoping that i'd see those as well
[05:31:00] defaultro: like in TNT warner
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[05:31:00] defaultro: i mean, Time Warner
[05:31:00] mchou: defaultro: yeah, you had some rinky dink cable provider iirc
[05:31:00] defaultro: :)
[05:31:00] defaultro: comcast
[05:31:00] mchou: haha
[05:32:00] defaultro: there are no other providers currently in my area
[05:32:00] mchou: went over to the dark side finally, eh?
[05:32:00] defaultro: huh?
[05:32:00] mchou: comcrap :)
[05:32:00] defaultro: heeheh
[05:32:00] defaultro: yep
[05:32:00] mchou: defaultro: you get comcrap inet too?
[05:32:00] defaultro: when i atscscan my comcast, i get 122 services
[05:33:00] defaultro: yep
[05:33:00] mchou: defaultro: nice, 122
[05:33:00] defaultro: but most of them are encrypted
[05:33:00] defaultro: i will try again
[05:33:00] mchou: time to get a hacked up cablecard :)
[05:33:00] defaultro: yeah
[05:33:00] defaultro: i wish there was one
[05:33:00] defaultro: i will really buy it
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[05:34:00] mchou: haha. So you gonna buy MCE when they finally have cablecard support? :)
[05:34:00] defaultro: really?
[05:35:00] defaultro: what does cablecard really do though?
[05:35:00] mchou: defaultro: yeah, cablelabs are finally certifying a couple of cards now
[05:35:00] mchou: for use w/MCE
[05:35:00] defaultro: MCE?
[05:35:00] defaultro: the pda
[05:36:00] mchou: allows you to record encryted channels (if you're subscriber)
[05:36:00] mchou: encrpted*
[05:36:00] defaultro: oh
[05:36:00] mchou: encrypted*
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[05:42:00] cesman: hello hello
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[05:42:00] Ediehow: hi
[05:42:00] Ediehow: killall -9 irexec
[05:42:00] Ediehow: /usr/local/bin/irexec &
[05:43:00] Ediehow: what's a better way to do that script?
[05:43:00] dtm: Ediehow: why are you doing it?
[05:43:00] dtm: Ediehow: why do you need -9 ?
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[05:51:00] nanoITX: gotta restart X.
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[05:55:00] Ediehow: i don't even remember what -9 does, other than severe
[05:55:00] Ediehow: dtm: i have that in gnome-session startup stuff
[05:55:00] kormoc: -9 trys to force a kill, even if it's waiting for io or what not
[05:56:00] dtm: Ediehow: ok but why?
[05:56:00] Ediehow: why what?
[05:56:00] dtm: Ediehow: why do that command exist? and why is it a -9? i know what -9 is, but why?
[05:56:00] dtm: s/do that/does that/
[05:57:00] Ediehow: dtm: uhh, i have to have irexec working in X?
[05:57:00] dtm: Ediehow: so you're killing it just in case it already exists? why?
[05:57:00] Ediehow: dtm: because it will be running twice
[05:57:00] dtm: Ediehow: oh so you're asking how to do a check to see whether it existsw?
[05:57:00] Ediehow: have you ever had that happen?
[05:57:00] Ediehow: i was thinking that would be better
[05:57:00] dtm: aha!
[05:58:00] Ediehow: wasn't sure of the syntax
[05:58:00] Ediehow: to see if the process was running
[05:58:00] Ediehow: if it is, do that, if not, don;t
[05:58:00] dtm: k standby
[06:00:00] dtm: ps aux | grep irexec | grep -v grep &> /dev/null && true || /usr/local/bin/irexec&
[06:00:00] dtm: Ediehow: that would be only slightly less quick and dirty
[06:01:00] dtm: Ediehow: that'll simply prevent the killing. save the children!
[06:01:00] Ediehow: ;)
[06:01:00] dtm: Ediehow: is that all you wanted?
[06:01:00] Ediehow: i notice after i use freenx when i get home
[06:01:00] Ediehow: i have to restart that script
[06:02:00] dtm: Ediehow: that assumes that the irexec that's running is already doing what you want, such as running as your user if that's important.
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[06:06:00] nanoITX: any tips to get xxmc working with openchrome?
[06:15:00] kormoc: nanoITX, so we have a meetup this sunday if you're free
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[06:16:00] nanoITX: kormoc: prolly.. gotta babysit the kids while wife has a "ladies night out" on Sat.
[06:17:00] nanoITX: kormoc: any tips for getting xxmc working? Xorg.0.log says Via xvmc is enabled, and I have via's plugin installed, but CPU usage is still too high, and I'm losing frames.
[06:18:00] kormoc: there's really not much else you can do
[06:18:00] kormoc: there's a xvmc debug flag...
[06:18:00] nanoITX: ???
[06:19:00] kormoc: XVMC_DEBUG=2 mythfrontend
[06:19:00] kormoc: and it will output a bit of info about xvmc
[06:19:00] nanoITX: blech. just trying toget xine to run at this point
[06:19:00] nanoITX: no myth yet.
[06:19:00] kormoc: welp, then replace mythfrontend with xine
[06:19:00] nanoITX: xine runs but not accelerated
[06:19:00] nanoITX: will try
[06:20:00] nanoITX: and it writes debug output where?
[06:20:00] kormoc: to the term window
[06:21:00] nanoITX: nada
[06:21:00] kormoc: then it's not using xvmc for some reason
[06:21:00] kormoc: you sure your output is set to xvmc?
[06:21:00] nanoITX: I gathered as much
[06:21:00] nanoITX: how can I tell? X suggests it is.
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[06:22:00] kormoc: you need to tell xine to use xvmc as well
[06:22:00] nanoITX: (II) VIA(0): [XvMC] egistering viaXvMCPro
[06:22:00] nanoITX: -V xxmc
[06:22:00] nanoITX: tried that
[06:23:00] kormoc: xine --help
[06:23:00] kormoc: you should see under video output options a line like
[06:23:00] nanoITX: yeah
[06:23:00] nanoITX: -V xxmc
[06:23:00] kormoc: xv xvmc opengl xshm none sdl
[06:23:00] nanoITX: does nada
[06:24:00] kormoc: is xvmc listed under the video options?
[06:24:00] nanoITX: xxmc and xvmc.
[06:24:00] kormoc: odd, so you have it as an option, it just doesn't work...
[06:26:00] nanoITX: -V xvmc causes xine to exit immediately -V xxmc has no effect. I'm guessing it's not finding the via plugin.
[06:26:00] nanoITX: Hmm. It's in /usr/X11R6/lib and that's listed in /etc/ld.so.conf and I've done ldconfig
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[06:34:00] nanoITX: strace suggests that xine is finding the plugin.
[06:34:00] nanoITX: did I have to compile xine-lib with any special options?
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[06:36:00] Scrye: im having a lot of problems with the firewire input..
[06:37:00] Scrye: it changes the channel but never gets any imput
[06:39:00] Scrye: test-mpeg2 works, but myth never sees it
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[06:40:00] nanoITX: kormoc: do I have to give AGP graphics prority in the bios, perhaps?
[06:40:00] kormoc: shouldn't need to
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[06:43:00] Scrye: does sound come through the firewire or do i need to put in an audio in?
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[06:44:00] nanoITX: kormoc: perhaps I have to compile xine-lib *After* I install via xvmcPro?
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[06:44:00] nanoITX: maybe configure didn't pick it up
[06:44:00] kormoc: perhaps
[06:45:00] nanoITX: tho I see it in the strace of xine
[06:46:00] nanoITX: The xine docs say if the h/w specific driver can't be found it will complain. Perhjaps I should rename it aside and see if it complains. That will confirm that it thinks it sees it.
[06:48:00] nanoITX: Hmm the docs say to install the wrapper before running configure for xine-lib. so I'm trying that
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[06:56:00] mchou: nanoITX: you need to set up /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[06:58:00] nanoITX: mchou: did that. and in /usr/X11R6/lib/XvmCConfig for good measure too.
[06:58:00] Kelerion: did anyone notice, btw, the 11 tuner monster that snapstream setup?
[06:58:00] nanoITX: xine does not complane
[06:58:00] nanoITX: Kelerion: yeah, noisy bugger.
[06:58:00] Kelerion: yup
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[06:58:00] mchou: nanoITX: and did you recompile xine or whatever after that?
[06:59:00] mchou: seem to remember some funky --with XvMC type switches on my distro
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[07:00:00] mchou: nanoITX: but you can check with "xine --list-plugins"
[07:00:00] mchou: nanoITX: see if they are compiled in already.....
[07:02:00] ** xris kicks Dish's stupid requirement to send "up" or "down" to get off of the "this is not a subscribed channel" messages. **
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[07:02:00] xris: nanoITX: you get word about the meetup?
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[07:04:00] nanoITX: xris: yeah. but dunno where
[07:04:00] nanoITX: mchou: reconfiguring xine-lib now.
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[07:04:00] mchou: nanoITX: you compiling from raw source or src.rpm?
[07:04:00] nanoITX: xine --list-plugins shows xxms and xvmc
[07:04:00] nanoITX: raw source
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[07:05:00] nanoITX: drivers from openchrome
[07:05:00] nanoITX: latest xine and X11R6.9
[07:05:00] mchou: nanoITX: and you got the installed ine how?
[07:05:00] nanoITX: and yes, dri is enabled. I get 550 fps with glxgears
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[07:05:00] mchou: xine*
[07:05:00] nanoITX: mchou: compiled xine-lib and xine-ui/
[07:05:00] nanoITX: just a straight ./configure... no special options
[07:06:00] mchou: with or w/o XvMC installed?
[07:06:00] nanoITX: but xine — list-plugins shows xxmc already and an strace shows it reading the via xvmc pro driver
[07:06:00] nanoITX: mchou, w/o the via xvmc plugin.
[07:06:00] nanoITX: so, I'm reconfiguring after installing the via xvmc pro plugin and will recompile
[07:07:00] nanoITX: gotta be patient... I'm recompiling natively on the nanoITX
[07:07:00] mchou: try xine --verbose=3 or somethine while you recompile :)
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[07:07:00] nanoITX: good ida
[07:09:00] nanoITX: hmm.. it shows loading xineplug_)vo_outy_xxmc.so and _xvmc.so but nothing related to the Via xvmc Pro driver.
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[07:11:00] nanoITX: I guess I can wait for the recompilation to finish
[07:12:00] nanoITX: perhaps it was reading the via plugin only because it was in the XvMCConfig file, but not using it because I didn't have it installed when I compiled xine-lib? (That would be lame)
[07:12:00] nanoITX: mchou: anything else to look for in the --verbose=3 debug output?
[07:12:00] mchou: mine says this: video_out_xxmc: using Xv port 245 from adaptor NV17 Video Overlay for hardware colorspace conversion and scaling.
[07:12:00] mchou: :)
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[07:15:00] mchou: nanoITX: you can also try "ldd xineplug_vo_out_xxmc.so" while compiling :)
[07:15:00] nanoITX: Ah. Mine says video_out_xv: Using Xv port 68 from adaptor XV_SWOV for hardware colorspace conversion and scaling. Nothing about xvmc
[07:15:00] nanoITX: good idea to check the load library satisfaction
[07:15:00] mchou: nanoITX: then xvmc aint active :)
[07:15:00] nanoITX: I gathered as much. nice to have proof, tho
[07:17:00] nanoITX: ldd is all satisfied, but that just shows that wrapper libraries
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[07:23:00] nanoITX: mchou: could it be finding plain old Xv insted of Xvmc because of the search order for video pluins?
[07:23:00] ** nanoITX grasps at straws **
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[07:24:00] mchou: nanoITX: most likely the contents of XvMCConfig is wrong
[07:24:00] mchou: what's it say?
[07:25:00] nanoITX: libviaXvMCPro.so.1
[07:26:00] mchou: heh, guess thee goes that theory :)
[07:26:00] mchou: there*
[07:26:00] nanoITX: and yes, that file is in /usr/X11R6/lib, and /usr/X11R6/lib is in /etc/rc.conf.so, and I did type ldconfig
[07:26:00] mchou: just wait for the recompile to finish :)
[07:27:00] nanoITX: yup, though I can't see that making a difference. Pretty bad to have to recompile when you add a plugin library
[07:27:00] mchou: nanoITX: welcome to linux :)
[07:28:00] mchou: hehe
[07:28:00] nanoITX: I've been working with linux for ages, but am new to xine, and X at this level.
[07:28:00] nanoITX: I started with a 0.99.4 kernel on a 386 with 6 MB RAM
[07:28:00] mchou: anyway, I dont remember if xine or mplayer you nneded to compile with the xvmc libs installed.
[07:29:00] nanoITX: I'd rather ask rather than bank my head against a proble,
[07:29:00] nanoITX: mchou: docs say you do, so I am.
[07:29:00] mchou: I know with myth you must have the right xvmc libs :)
[07:29:00] nanoITX: yup
[07:29:00] mchou: wrong version and it wont wrong :)
[07:29:00] nanoITX: 'course myth just defers to mplayer or xine or whatever you configured.
[07:29:00] mchou: s/wrong/run
[07:30:00] cesman: why not use the xvmc wrapper?
[07:30:00] nanoITX: er, isn't that built into xine-lib?
[07:30:00] mchou: xine uses the xvmc wrapper :)
[07:31:00] nanoITX: I thought the *xvmc*.so that got built with xine-lib *WAS* the xvmc wrapper
[07:31:00] mchou: so in theory you dont need to install xvmc libs to compile.....
[07:31:00] nanoITX: I thought xine-lib DID use it.
[07:31:00] mchou: the vendor specific one, that is.....
[07:32:00] nanoITX: are you saying there is a vendor specific plugin AND wrapper? That doesn't make sense
[07:32:00] mchou: no, not plugin. libs
[07:32:00] nanoITX: FWIW I have the openchrome X drivers, kernel drm module, and am trying to get the openchrome xxmc library working.
[07:33:00] nanoITX: O.K. compile finished
[07:33:00] mchou: bah, via is more trouble than it's worth
[07:33:00] nanoITX: make install now
[07:33:00] nanoITX: mchou: yeah, but a nanoITX in a Silverstone LC08 case sure is nice,
[07:33:00] mchou: bah
[07:33:00] nanoITX: too bad about the fan, tho.
[07:33:00] nanoITX: I wanted a fanless frontend that could do HD MPEG2. This comes close
[07:34:00] mchou: nanoITX: what proc?
[07:34:00] nanoITX: was supposed to be fanless, but thje 1 GHz mobo isn't . Still the fan generates about 14 dBa only
[07:34:00] nanoITX: Nemiah 1.0 Ghz. CN400, VT1625
[07:34:00] mchou: bah.
[07:35:00] mchou: you should have gotten a A64 nanoITX
[07:35:00] nanoITX: I thought only Via had nanoITX mobos
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[07:36:00] mchou: nah, I thing someplace there is an A64 nanoITX
[07:36:00] nanoITX: that would be news to me.
[07:36:00] nanoITX: But, that must really throw off a lot of heat.
[07:36:00] mchou: forgot where. or maybe it was intel. Shudderrr......
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[07:36:00] mchou: actually I think it was a celly
[07:36:00] mchou: not A64
[07:37:00] mchou: saw it someplace......
[07:37:00] nanoITX: yeah, but what about H/W MPEG2 decoding?
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[07:37:00] mchou: it was via :)
[07:37:00] nanoITX: CLE266 or CN400?
[07:37:00] mchou: CN400, I think
[07:37:00] nanoITX: that would be nice.
[07:37:00] nanoITX: haven't seen it tho
[07:38:00] mchou: nanoITX: too late for you now anyways :)
[07:38:00] nanoITX: 'course the trouble is the fact that I can't get xine to SEE my CN400. (X does, BTW)
[07:38:00] nanoITX: why too late? just swap mobos if it is a nanoITX
[07:38:00] mchou: I thought one was criipled chip.....
[07:38:00] mchou: crippled*
[07:39:00] mchou: nanoITX: and processor :)
[07:39:00] mchou: which aint exactly swappable :)
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[07:39:00] nanoITX: er, this mobo and CPU is only $400.
[07:40:00] nanoITX: easy to swap if I had to.
[07:41:00] nanoITX: recompile didn't help. Still uses video_out_xv :-(
[07:41:00] Kelerion: what does mythtranscode convert into now?
[07:41:00] mchou: nanoITX: haha!!
[07:42:00] nanoITX: it looks like it finds xv before xvmc.
[07:42:00] mchou: told ya nanoITX was more trouble than it's worth
[07:42:00] nanoITX: but this looks like a xine issue
[07:42:00] mchou: dude, xine -V xxmc file.
[07:42:00] mchou: WTF
[07:43:00] mchou: all this time you been calling it wrong
[07:43:00] mchou: goober
[07:43:00] nanoITX: no, just after recompilation.
[07:43:00] ** nanoITX croses fingers. **
[07:43:00] nanoITX: but good catch.
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[07:45:00] nanoITX: O.K. video_out_xxmc: Uxing ...
[07:45:00] nanoITX: so, that looks better.
[07:45:00] nanoITX: lesse what top says
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[07:48:00] nanoITX: dunno... still loses frames. but I haven't tried turning on video.device.unichrome_cpu_save:1, etc. The doc's don't say WHARE to set these options
[07:49:00] nanoITX: ~/.xine/config I';m guessing
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[07:49:00] Juski: hang on... you trying to play a transcoded file on that nano ITX board?
[07:49:00] mchou: lol, I REALLY doubt 1 GHz Nehemia is suppcient to decode HDTV, especially 1080.
[07:49:00] mchou: sufficient*
[07:49:00] Juski: ah
[07:50:00] Chutt: sure it is, if the xvmc stuff works right.
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[07:50:00] nanoITX: Chutt, that's my goal, exactly. The CN400 should do the trick.
[07:50:00] Juski: this is why I used someone else's compilation of everything ;-)
[07:51:00] nanoITX: Juski: no, just a plain old DVD: Revolution OS, to be precise.
[07:53:00] nanoITX: Ah: video
[07:53:00] nanoITX: Ah, video_out_xxmc: warning – compiled with no vld extensions.
[07:53:00] Juski: that'd be the culprit
[07:53:00] nanoITX: So, I'm guessing no MPEG2 decoding.
[07:55:00] nanoITX: So, how to turn on? openchrome does not have a configure for libxvmc
[07:55:00] Chutt: ask the xine people?
[07:56:00] xris: MAN, ffmpeg is faster than transcode.
[07:57:00] xris: 3.5 vs 17 fps
[07:58:00] xris: wish I could figure out how to tweak the quality settings so it didn't look so crappy
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[08:00:00] mchou: xris: maybe that accounts for the speed difference :)
[08:01:00] nanoITX: Hmm. there is nothing about enabling VLD extensions in openchrome libxvmc, but there is a note abnout turning the option enable AGPDMA to true on xorg.conf
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[08:02:00] nanoITX: I suppose it's worth a try.
[08:03:00] nanoITX: But the message from the xine log is ... "compiled with no vld extensions" suggesting a compilation option.... AH! A xine-lib option perhaps, not a openchrome libxvmc one!
[08:03:00] xris: mchou: imho, it does... but it's not THAT different
[08:05:00] Juski: nanoITX: is this xine or VeXP?
[08:05:00] nanoITX: xine
[08:05:00] Juski: try looking at http://sourceforge.net/projects/viaxp
[08:06:00] nanoITX: I heard via's xine fork is lousy.
[08:07:00] Juski: does openchrome even support mpeg acceleration?
[08:09:00] nanoITX: Juski: openchrome does... that's the whole point of it... it got ripped out of the unichrome tree.
[08:10:00] Juski: minimyth still uses unichrome.. there might be a very good reason for that, that's all I was thinking
[08:10:00] Chutt: minimyth is old and hasn't been updated in a while.
[08:11:00] Juski: Chutt: it has, it's just that they don't update their page on linpvr.org ;)
[08:11:00] nanoITX: yeah, but all the myth-heads seam to be opposed to H/W MPEG decoding... prolly because it is a pain to get it working... but I know that people have with openchome.
[08:11:00] Chutt: the unichrome driver was forked. 'unichrome' removed a bunch of stuff, including mpeg decoding.
[08:12:00] nanoITX: yup
[08:12:00] Chutt: i'm against the unichrome stuff because of the crappy cpus
[08:12:00] nanoITX: Hmm... perhaps I'm linking directly to the Via XvMC plugin and not using the wrapper so xine does not know to use VLD? but, where does the XvMC wrapper come from? Is it not part of xine-lib?
[08:13:00] mchou: nanoITX: sigh, no, it's not part of xine-lib
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[08:14:00] nanoITX: Ah, so it's an external proxy that dynamically binds to the right library, not produced by the xine-lib people. The questions then are (a) is it necessary to get VLD working, and (b) wher can one get it?
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[08:16:00] buu: Hello fellow mythtv users.
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[08:16:00] nanoITX: Hmm, it is supposedly in the Xorg CVS
[08:17:00] buu: I installed 'knopmyth' to get a basic mythtv set up going. I installed it and it all works happy. Then I copied the 'XF86Config-4.nvidia.tvout.sample' to XF86Config-4 and rebooted the machine, to get svideo out of my card.
[08:17:00] buu: This worked fine when I rebooted, I got svideo out to my machine.
[08:17:00] buu: That is, it works fine for about 3 minutes.
[08:17:00] buu: After that the tv get's these weird circular bands that distort the colors horrible
[08:17:00] buu: horribly*
[08:18:00] buu: I'm wondering if my modeline settings or something?
[08:20:00] nanoITX: Ah, it's definately part of xine-lib: #ifdef HAVE_VLDXVMC
[08:20:00] buu: But I don't understand why it works fine for a few minutes before screwing up
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[08:22:00] dtm: do you guys know if it's possible to get mythtv to display extended show info? i have datadirect now.
[08:22:00] dtm: i'm only getting about a small sentence per show
[08:23:00] Kelerion: if I sudo a command (mythbackend) .. and then that forks a new app (something from a userjob) .. I presume that the new command still runs as root.. but will it have access to the X display as the initial command was run from sudo?
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[08:23:00] lupin_sansei: Hello Anyone Australian users online? I am wondering what tuner cards you are using
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[08:26:00] SOLARMASTER: If you are bored of IRC, take time to join my game at : http://sre.servegame.com, I need some beta-testers who like strategics webgames (Its a port/clone of SRE[SOLAR REALMS ELITE]), come and play
[08:26:00] Juski: lupin_sansei: most aussie users opt for DVB-T tuners.. Hauppauge Nova-T is good, BlackGold GDI works well.. the list is extensive and goes on a while
[08:27:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: thanks
[08:27:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: is there a list for Aussie users of supported local cards?
[08:27:00] nanoITX: Ah! xine-lib configure does not enable XvMC VLD because it thinks X does not support it, based on a missing X header file. (Gak, I hate debugging configure).
[08:28:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: I can't work out whether to get a Topfield PVR or go with MythTV
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[08:31:00] Juski: lupin_sansei: heh there are some good forums... try googling around ;) there's a lot of good info to be found.
[08:31:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: ta
[08:32:00] Juski: can the topfield play music? can it play/rip DVDs? can you set it to record away from home over the internet?
[08:32:00] Juski: I'd guess it can't, so mythtv wins :)
[08:32:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: music I think yes, DVDs no. Over the internet sounds cool!
[08:32:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: what tuner are you using?
[08:32:00] Juski: yeh.. use a web browser to 'set your video'
[08:32:00] lupin_sansei: that is cool
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[08:33:00] Juski: got 3 Leadtek LR6650 tuners, the kind HP (used to) sell in their MCE boxes
[08:33:00] Juski: more or less the same as Hauppauge Nova-T cards
[08:33:00] Juski: work really well
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[08:34:00] lupin_sansei: do you mind asking how much they cost?
[08:34:00] Juski: they were very cheap
[08:34:00] Juski: got them on Ebay ;)
[08:34:00] Juski: last one cost £12 delivered
[08:34:00] nanoITX: mchou: O.K. I see what's going on: xine-lib is not enabed for XvMC with VLD because it's not finding an X header that suggests it is supported. But, I can find nothing in the X11R6.9 stuff to enable this. Ideas?
[08:34:00] Juski: apparently there's a dual tuner DVB-T card that works in Linux now
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[08:35:00] NHIwerx: hi
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[08:36:00] Kelerion: the Terratec Cinergy
[08:36:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: Leadtek LR6650 is the chip the card uses is it?
[08:36:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: or is it the name of the card itself?
[08:37:00] Juski: lupin_ that's the card name
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[08:37:00] lupin_sansei: Juski: ta
[08:37:00] Juski: it's the conexant reference design (lazy buggers)..
[08:37:00] Juski: doubt you'll be able to buy one now.. got hard to find a while ago
[08:38:00] Juski: loads of cards are very similar though
[08:39:00] lupin_sansei: there are loads of cheapish DVB cards around in computer shops, I just never know if they will work with MythTV
[08:39:00] NHIwerx: Ive noticed that if I look at the mythweb page of recorded shows the url under the thumbnails goes like http://127.0.0.1/xx when doing it with windows Firefox or IE, when doing it with linux its right – what can cause this ?
[08:39:00] Juski: the question is not whether they will work with mythtv or not
[08:39:00] Juski: it's whether they're supported in Linux kernels or not
[08:39:00] lupin_sansei: ok
[08:40:00] Juski: if they use conexant chipsets, chances are they'll be supported
[08:40:00] lupin_sansei: ok
[08:40:00] Juski: cx23880
[08:40:00] lupin_sansei: So I just need to find out if they are supported in linux
[08:40:00] Juski: yup
[08:40:00] lupin_sansei: thanks Juski
[08:41:00] buu: Anyone have an idea about my color distortion?
[08:41:00] Kelerion: juski: did you see snapstreams latest monster?
[08:41:00] Juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_cards
[08:42:00] Juski: Kelerion: snapstream, the windows abomination?
[08:42:00] Kelerion: yup.. 11 tuner cards.. lol
[08:42:00] Kelerion: http://blogs.snapstream.com/2006/01/18/godzilla-pvr/
[08:42:00] Kelerion: and a snap at $4000 :P
[08:44:00] Juski: I can only count 3 PVR500s and one other tuner card
[08:44:00] Juski: that doesn't add up to 11
[08:44:00] Kelerion: +4 usb ones
[08:44:00] Juski: if they can't do basic sums like that I'm not gonna buy it
[08:44:00] lupin_sansei: I have a snapstream firefly radio remote control – kind of okay, but terriable range
[08:44:00] Juski: can it even record all 11 tuners at the same time? no point if it can't
[08:45:00] Kelerion: yup.. it can
[08:45:00] Juski: and to be honest I don't think that many USB tuners jossling for the bus is a good idea (hate USB)
[08:45:00] Kelerion: one poor guy at the bottom of the blog posts "I can't even *get* 11 channels!" lol
[08:45:00] nanoITX: AH HA! There's a vldXvMC.h header file from the via libxvmc package that needs to be in X11/extensions to get xine-lib to know they are there when it is configured. That was not present (though I'm fairly sure that the openchrome libxvmc supports vld).
[08:46:00] nanoITX: So, another xine-lib configure; make clean; make; make install for me
[08:47:00] ** Juski feels like posting "yeah.. but why would I bother with Snapstream when there's Mythtv?" **
[08:47:00] buu: Juski: You ever seen bizarre color banding?
[08:47:00] Kelerion: a few already have
[08:47:00] Juski: buu: only when I took acid
[08:47:00] buu: =[
[08:47:00] buu: I'm thinking maybe I have a modeline issue?
[08:47:00] Juski: I doubt it
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[08:47:00] Juski: maybe the TV out encoder on your graphics card is rubbish
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[08:48:00] buu: Juski: Well, maybe
[08:48:00] Juski: nvidia geforce2? probably a chrontel encoder
[08:48:00] buu: It's a gf4 mx440
[08:48:00] buu: So, um, yeah
[08:48:00] Kelerion: I had *black* banding that was fixed with a modeline.. there was no color problems though
[08:48:00] buu: Kelerion: I'm getting generally fuzzy display with regions of inverted color
[08:48:00] Kelerion: inverted? not a modeline then
[08:49:00] buu: Well, they look inverted
[08:49:00] Juski: buu: that's the TV encoder
[08:49:00] Kelerion: I'd go with Juski's analysis
[08:49:00] Juski: try a different video mode
[08:49:00] buu: Juski: Think I'd have better luck with a ti4400?
[08:49:00] buu: Juski: Er, video mode?
[08:49:00] Juski: I had that in windows with my old gf2 card that had a chrontel encoder
[08:49:00] buu: Hrm.
[08:50:00] Juski: only happenned in overscan, at 800x600, 720x576 though
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[08:50:00] Kelerion: Juski: my wife has had an idea for a theme she wants.. so am gonna give it a try.. an aquarium.. lol
[08:50:00] lupin_sansei: what's Beyond TV like?
[08:50:00] buu: Juski: I set all of the "Display" subsections to have modes of 640x480
[08:51:00] Juski: buu: try a different mode
[08:51:00] Juski: a fishtank?!?!?!?!?!
[08:51:00] Kelerion: yup.. lol
[08:51:00] Juski: silly wives
[08:51:00] buu: Juski: Er, like what, 320x240?
[08:52:00] Juski: buu: no.... 800x600
[08:52:00] buu: It was originally at 800x600 =/
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[08:52:00] buu: Hrm. I should be able to just swap in the new card right, I won't have to install anything"?
[08:53:00] Juski: ermm...
[08:53:00] Kelerion: I think it's because she's realised she can't have a good aquarium screensaver under linux.. she loves the one she has on her xp laptop.. lol
[08:53:00] Juski: screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeensavers?!
[08:53:00] Juski: bah
[08:54:00] galorin: I've just discovered a problem with xine after I fixed focus issues, don't know how long it'll take so I'm going to try VLC, seems like it gets used by quite a few in here.
[08:54:00] Kelerion: *gotta* have 'em on a plasma.. I had screenburn within two days of buying my tv.. I was gutted!
[08:54:00] Juski: if the screensaver is so cool you'd prefer to watch _that_ than what the PC does... time to dump the PC
[08:54:00] galorin: ortime to topusing puters
[08:55:00] galorin: ACK!
[08:55:00] galorin: or time to stop using computers
[08:55:00] Juski: that's why I'd never have a plasma.. that and the other reason... too many ££££
[08:55:00] Kelerion: 920 quid for a 42 inch plasma isn't a bad price
[08:56:00] NHIwerx: anyone have this that the url under the thumnails in mythweb start with http://127.0.0.1 ?
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[08:56:00] Kelerion: NHIwerx: you haven't setup the config for it right
[08:56:00] galorin: From what I understand, plasmas start to noticeably lose luminosity after about 2 years, or maybe it's just old plasmas that do that...
[08:57:00] Juski: and the other reason.. blowing up SDTV to that kind of size, especially lowish bitrate MPEG2.... eeew
[08:57:00] Kelerion: thats alright.. in 2 years it can get relegated to the bedroom.. where we watch tv in the dark anyways.. so won't be as noticable.. lol
[08:57:00] NHIwerx: Kelerion: well its working allright, didnt know there was stuff to tweak, thx Ill look for it
[08:58:00] Juski: you know what'd be better than an aquarium theme?
[08:58:00] Kelerion: don't say a fireplace
[08:58:00] Juski: instead of a 'screensaver'.. play a video
[08:59:00] Kelerion: I s'pose you could do that.. linux's screensaver app can play anything in place of a screensaver.. right?
[08:59:00] Juski: after timeout, video starts playing.. press any key on the remote to exit
[08:59:00] Juski: I can make some cool motion backgrounds
[08:59:00] Juski: those lines in my mythtv trailer... I did them
[08:59:00] Kelerion: hmmm... that could be interesting
[09:00:00] ** Kelerion gives it some thought **
[09:00:00] Juski: dont need After Effects when you've got Vegas ;)
[09:00:00] Kelerion: lol
[09:00:00] Kelerion: I was gonna ask you something about Vegas
[09:01:00] Juski: yeh?
[09:01:00] Kelerion: I don't have a decent video editor.. and I can think of lots of reasons to have one.. but I don't know the first thing about video editing.. would it be worth buying for a VE newb?
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[09:02:00] Juski: btw the 'video studio' version has slightly less effects (that I wouldn't use anyway).. and less video tracks... (only 8)
[09:02:00] Juski: and it's like £300 cheaper
[09:02:00] Kelerion: oh.. didn't know there was different versions
[09:03:00] Juski: Kelerion: I tried Premiere. I tried all the Umedia 'fisher price' shite... they were all too SLOW on my machine. Vegas is only slow at rendering (which they all are anyway).. at least it's fast enough to _use_
[09:04:00] Juski: seriously.. try altering the length of a clip, or searching deep in the middle of a clip in Ulead media studio... ugh!
[09:04:00] Juski: be better of with Kino
[09:04:00] Juski: *off
[09:04:00] Juski: and live with all the crashing
[09:04:00] Juski: anyway.. ultimately depends what you want to do.
[09:04:00] Kelerion: is it easy enough to do basic stuff? cutting out crap.. adding clips together etc?
[09:05:00] Juski: the 'basic' packages aren't even good for that
[09:05:00] Juski: they're basically like windows movie maker but look worse
[09:05:00] Juski: like kids toys
[09:05:00] Kelerion: am thinking of getting something thats easy enough to learn.. but can do more stuff later as *I* learn more about editing
[09:05:00] Juski: vegas video studio
[09:05:00] Kelerion: if that makes sense
[09:06:00] Juski: download a trial version
[09:06:00] Kelerion: okies.. will do.. thanks
[09:06:00] Juski: got a book on DVD I can give you... I don't sue it anymore
[09:06:00] Juski: *use
[09:07:00] Kelerion: whats it about? video editing in general? or vegas?
[09:07:00] Juski: vegas
[09:07:00] Kelerion: that'd be excellent
[09:07:00] Juski: my rules for editing.. if it looks good & looks 'right'.. use it
[09:08:00] Kelerion: my wife bought me a camcorder for christmas.. so been playing about with it
[09:08:00] Juski: sure there are 'rules' like 'following the line' etc... but so many people break them deliberately anyway there's no point _not_ just doing what looks good to your eyes
[09:09:00] Juski: last thing I'll say is: buy a tripod!
[09:09:00] Kelerion: got one
[09:09:00] Juski: too many shots are _ruined_ by using zooms on handheld cameras
[09:09:00] Juski: that holiday vid I edited last year for my bro in law – case in point
[09:10:00] Kelerion: I don't know what she spent.. but it seems like a decent one.. Canon MiniDV widescreen jobbie.. she got it at dixons I think
[09:10:00] Juski: and buy an external mike if it'll take one
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[09:10:00] Juski: or use minidisc for the sound (yes, but it's easy to get the sound in sync again)
[09:11:00] Juski: anyway time I was on the motorway
[09:11:00] Juski: laters
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[09:11:00] Kelerion: thats for the advice! :)
[09:11:00] Kelerion: oh.. that was quick.. lol
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[09:18:00] Pitchin_uk: Im having some problems with the mythweb plugin
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[09:36:00] dtm: is it possible that the commercial detection can possibly create a bunch of skips throughout?
[09:36:00] dtm: or is there any other feature that can do that?
[09:37:00] dtm: it's happening a lot throughout this one show. I can't assume that it's mainly due to i/o overload.
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[09:45:00] dtm: juski: hi.
[09:45:00] dtm: juski: are there any mythtv features such as commercial skip which can cause a ton of skips throughout good content?
[09:46:00] juski: yep
[09:46:00] dtm: juski: i turned on all commercial detectors
[09:46:00] buu: Ok, hrm
[09:47:00] juski: if commflag flags stuff that isn't commercials
[09:47:00] dtm: juski: coz it initially cut out none.
[09:47:00] dtm: juski: what?
[09:47:00] juski: fades to blaack
[09:47:00] buu: juski: I got my output, it was a crappy svideo -> component; box
[09:47:00] juski: all sorts can confuse the commflagging...
[09:47:00] dtm: juski: i'm just talking about cuts being interspersed throughout normal content, like static scenes. no fades, no changes at all, just static dialog in a cartoon.
[09:47:00] buu: juski: I have small problem now though, my tv display is slightly too large, as in, windows show up outside the borders of the tv
[09:48:00] buu: Someone suggested nvtv to fix that..
[09:48:00] dtm: juski: what is a safe and efficient commflag algorithm?
[09:48:00] juski: no idea
[09:48:00] juski: your recordedmarkup table could be borked too
[09:48:00] juski: turn off autoskipping & see if it still jumps around
[09:48:00] dtm: juski: is "blank frame + scene change detection" safe?
[09:48:00] juski: no idea.
[09:49:00] buu: heh
[09:49:00] juski: I don't use commflagging
[09:49:00] buu: I sense a trend.
[09:49:00] dtm: juski: i'm surprised that "blank frame" caught none yet. i'll try the above and see ^_^
[09:49:00] juski: change the playback preferences to only notify you about commercial skips
[09:49:00] dtm: actually i'll try "blank frame" and disabling strict
[09:50:00] dtm: and work up from there
[09:50:00] juski: test it ;)
[09:50:00] dtm: yeorp.
[09:50:00] juski: I'm about to start trying commflagging again
[09:50:00] dtm: juski: why'd you stop?
[09:50:00] Pitchin_uk: hi juski
[09:50:00] juski: wasn't reliable enough on Uk recordings
[09:51:00] juski: for a variety of reasons... notably blank frame detection won;'t work if the broadcaster uses hard cuts into adverts
[09:51:00] dtm: juski: what did it do?
[09:51:00] juski: hi Pitchin
[09:51:00] dtm: juski: so did it accidentally cut real content?
[09:51:00] juski: it missed the commercials and got bits inside the show
[09:52:00] Merlin83b: Heh, I don't use commflag either.
[09:52:00] Pitchin_uk: i think i have worked out what my problem with mythweb is
[09:52:00] Merlin83b: Also, good morning.
[09:52:00] Pitchin_uk: Morning
[09:53:00] juski: morning
[09:53:00] nanoITX: gotta restart my X server. back in a bit
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[09:53:00] Pitchin_uk: im getting errors in the php code
[09:53:00] buu: juski: Help!
[09:54:00] juski: example: sky one goes to commercials.. they have a 'bumper' after the show segment, hard cut into the end of segment. then they run a trailer... then the ads.. then a trailer, then a bumper, all with hard transitions
[09:56:00] buu: I mean I see the tv image and stuff
[09:56:00] juski: buu: no! whhat's up? don't panic
[09:56:00] buu: juski: My tv image is too large!
[09:56:00] juski: and why am I the man today?
[09:56:00] buu: Because you're the only one whose showed an interest =]
[09:56:00] juski: buu: get nvidia-settings
[09:56:00] juski: nvidia-settings has a nice slider to adjust how much overscan you get ;-)
[09:57:00] juski: anyway... I doubt you'd ever get the desktop to fit your TV screen exactly
[09:58:00] buu: hunterotd: Ah, that's interesting
[09:58:00] buu: er
[09:58:00] buu: juski: That's interesting
[09:58:00] buu: Now it's like half an inch too small =[
[09:58:00] Pitchin_uk: when i setup mythweb should i have to edit any of the code
[09:58:00] Kelerion: Pitchin_uk: release on svn?
[09:58:00] buu: juski: Why wouldn't the desktop fit? Isn't that the size videos/mythtv will play?
[09:58:00] Pitchin_uk: release
[09:59:00] Kelerion: config.inc.php you need to edit
[09:59:00] Pitchin_uk: where can i find that
[09:59:00] juski: you can adjust it for 'best fit', but that's about it
[09:59:00] buu: juski: Oh and um, how do I "save" the changes?
[09:59:00] Kelerion: in the config directory I think
[10:00:00] juski: buu: all TV is designed too 'hang over the edges' of the TV screen
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[10:00:00] buu: Really?
[10:00:00] buu: It makes it hard to access the mythv config settings =/
[10:01:00] nanoITX: well, it looks like I've got CN400 H/W MPEG decoding working, though I had to disable some of the options that were supposed to improve performance — it sucked with them on.
[10:01:00] Kelerion: Pitchin_uk: in whichever release you have.. there'll be a readme.txt.. that'll tell you exactly what you need to change.. it's all changed in the last 3 versions... 18.1, 18.2 and svn
[10:01:00] juski: that's mythtv's fault... the setup screens don';t account for overscan
[10:01:00] juski: use nvidia-settings to adjust the screen so you get a border
[10:02:00] buu: juski: Ok, but how do I save the setting?
[10:03:00] Kelerion: you don't.. it saves them for you automagically in a .nvsettings file
[10:03:00] buu: Er
[10:03:00] buu: It doesn't seem to
[10:04:00] buu: Hrm.
[10:04:00] buu: When I do ctrl-alt-backspace to restart gdm
[10:05:00] buu: It comes back up over sized
[10:05:00] buu: Then when I launch nvidia-settings, it shrinks down
[10:05:00] Kelerion: I think your supposed to reload when you restart X
[10:06:00] buu: "reload" ?
[10:07:00] Kelerion: add: nvidia-settings --load-config-only &
[10:07:00] Kelerion: to your autoload
[10:08:00] Kelerion: you using kde?
[10:09:00] buu: Er
[10:09:00] buu: knopmyth
[10:09:00] Kelerion: which has what by default?
[10:09:00] buu: Looks like flux
[10:09:00] buu: Anyway, I get the idea
[10:10:00] buu: I need to go to sleep now, thanks for all the help juski and Kelerion
[10:10:00] Kelerion: I haven't been to bed yet.. and I have a meeting in 4 hours..lol
[10:10:00] juski: lol
[10:10:00] buu: Nice
[10:10:00] juski: pro-plus & redbull cocktail ;)
[10:10:00] buu: I need to go to work in about 7 hours
[10:11:00] Kelerion: well.. it ain't worth going now.. will have a shower.. get the meeting over with.. and see how I feel then.. lol
[10:11:00] buu: How expensive is a remote for myth?
[10:11:00] juski: I can't pull any 4am finishes when work moves
[10:11:00] juski: buu: can be as cheap as you like or as much as you like
[10:11:00] buu: juski: Er, what's "cheap" in this context?
[10:11:00] Kelerion: buu: I have a remote that came with my tv card.. and I have a 70 quid kameleon..
[10:12:00] buu: hrm
[10:12:00] buu: 70 is kind of expensive
[10:12:00] Kelerion: free.. as in it comes with your capture card
[10:12:00] buu: Well, I don't have a capture card
[10:12:00] Kelerion: but I presume your planning on buying one?
[10:12:00] buu: Not really =]
[10:12:00] Kelerion: ah
[10:12:00] buu: Mostly just doing video playing and such
[10:13:00] buu: I have no tv =[
[10:13:00] Kelerion: ahh .. I see
[10:13:00] buu: Yes. IT's sad
[10:13:00] buu: Although my friends were telling me I actually do have tv
[10:13:00] nanoITX: Hmm H/W HD decoding is faster than S/W but still loses frames
[10:13:00] buu: I have a cable modem, so theoretically I can pick up cable tv on the same outlet
[10:13:00] directhex|work: Kelerion, seventy quid? my kameleon was 25 quid new
[10:14:00] Kelerion: ok.. gonna go have my shower.. back later
[10:14:00] directhex|work: http://www.dalepakdirect.com/products.asp?product=URC-8040
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[10:20:00] juski: the remotes that come with TV cards are rubbish IMHO. I got an 'all in one'.. controls 6 devices.. and it cost £20
[10:20:00] buu: How does that work with myth?
[10:21:00] buu: I've got like 4 remotes that do at least 3 things each =/
[10:21:00] directhex|work: buu, you need an IR receiver. for the most part, they're serial-port-based
[10:22:00] buu: oh
[10:22:00] buu: That's it?
[10:23:00] directhex|work: and you need to make LIRC your bitch, which can take time and effort
[10:23:00] buu: Oh god
[10:23:00] buu: Time and effort
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[10:24:00] galorin: No luck with xine so far. I compiled from source as was reccomended to correct it's focus issues, but video is very bad, no audio and I get loads of "video_out: throwing away image with pts............." messages from xine. I've looked on google, and no answers with solutions :( Anyone have similar issues?
[10:24:00] Pitchin_uk: Kelerion: im just editing my conf.php. bit confused by some of the variables
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[10:26:00] buu: Pitchin_uk: Well, it's PHP
[10:26:00] buu: Pitchin_uk: Hit random letters, it'll probably work
[10:28:00] Pitchin_uk: i could try that – not sure. does anyone know what i have to populate my conf.php with
[10:31:00] juski: conf.php doesn't need much editing to get mythweb to work
[10:32:00] juski: you can just follow howto guides & be successful
[10:32:00] juski: conf.php basically just needs you to point mythweb at your mythbackend
[10:34:00] juski: in db_host you put the IP address of the backend..
[10:34:00] juski: db_username & db_password are pretty self explanatory
[10:34:00] juski: as is db_dbname
[10:35:00] juski: if you get errors, pop em into a pastebin & post the linky here
[10:35:00] juski: nobody can help if you just say "I get errors" ;)
[10:36:00] dtm: yeah. you should say "doesn't work"!
[10:36:00] NHIwerx: can I change the channels callsign # without a problem to match it the channel number I gave it ?
[10:37:00] juski: yep
[10:38:00] juski: I don't think callsign is used by mythtv when it looks up channel info, other than to display it
[10:38:00] juski: because not all countries have callsigns for channels
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[11:03:00] nanoITX: Well, I've got XvMC using VLD for CN400-assisted MPEG2 decoding, and it's less CPU intensive on DVD material, but still has trouble on 1080i
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[11:03:00] nanoITX: Am I expecting too much?
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[11:07:00] ivor: what sort of "trouble"
[11:07:00] ivor: nanoITX: it should work.... on the other hand you're probably the only person doing it! :D
[11:08:00] nanoITX: jerky starting, but then seams O.K. but sometimes hangs display hard
[11:08:00] nanoITX: Still, I'm impressed.
[11:08:00] ivor: ah. jerky starting is probably the OSD code flapping about handling a surface that big.
[11:08:00] nanoITX: I have stock 2.6.15 kernel, X11R6.9, openchrome drm libxvmc and dri
[11:09:00] ivor: the colour osd fix improves performance for 1080.. but I havent had time to update it recently.
[11:09:00] nanoITX: I noticed that adding frames didn't help in the xine config file to improve bufffering.
[11:09:00] Merlin83b: The chroma thing? Got a link to that? I couldn't find it the other day.
[11:10:00] ivor: Merlin83b: no not the chroma thing. the other colour osd patch. :)
[11:10:00] Merlin83b: Oh.
[11:10:00] Merlin83b: I get slight jerkiness when the OSD fades out (Titivillus-OSD)
[11:10:00] Merlin83b: I'd like to stop it fading or stop it jerking – either would do!#
[11:10:00] ivor: Merlin83b: on an epia?
[11:11:00] nanoITX: video.device.unichrome_cpu_save:1 hurts performance as does video.device.xvmc_more_frames:1
[11:11:00] Merlin83b: M10000, yep.
[11:11:00] ivor: yup it takes too long to render and colour convert the osd.
[11:11:00] Merlin83b: Oh, fire alarm.
[11:11:00] Merlin83b: Seeya shortly
[11:11:00] ivor: lol
[11:11:00] nanoITX: O.K. gonna try 720p... if this hangs the display, I'll be back in a bit.
[11:12:00] ivor: FYI: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/101
[11:12:00] ** nanoITX notes that this is on an EPIA-N 1.0 Ghz in a Silverstone LC08 case (finally!) **
[11:12:00] ivor: haven't had time to update it... and not many people tested it.
[11:14:00] nanoITX: Gonna give 720p a shot.
[11:17:00] nanoITX: about 65% idle, occasionally loses frames, but I've got a full set of FC3 services running (though rather quiet)
[11:21:00] juski: nanoITX: playing back 720x576 MPEG2 I get about 15% CPU usage with XvMC on my M10k
[11:22:00] NHIwerx: anyone here from germany that can recommend a supported dvb-t device ?
[11:22:00] ivor: juski: morning.
[11:22:00] juski: DVB-T = DVB-T whatever country you live in
[11:22:00] juski: hi ivor
[11:22:00] NHIwerx: juski: ok :)
[11:22:00] juski: NHIwerx: check the v4l wiki, specifically the digital television section
[11:23:00] NHIwerx: juski: thx alot
[11:23:00] juski: they have a big list of cards that will work
[11:23:00] dtm: is it possible to get channel listings that are more verbose than zap2it?
[11:23:00] juski: .. and which kernels will be good for them ;)
[11:23:00] dtm: or is it possible to crossreference the movie descriptions with something more verbose like imdb.com?
[11:23:00] dtm: or netflix.com
[11:24:00] juski: dtm: not really
[11:24:00] dtm: juski: there's no plugin for that?
[11:24:00] dtm: one sentence doesn't do it for me, for a movie ;)
[11:24:00] laga: NHIwerx: join #mythtv-de
[11:24:00] juski: you could try LXM, but I heard they're going to the wall
[11:24:00] dtm: i assume that the star rating is out of four maximum stars
[11:24:00] dtm: juski: they're what?
[11:24:00] juski: soon to be no more
[11:25:00] nanoITX: juski: thanks for the benchmark.
[11:25:00] juski: they've been running a subscription service for TV guide and 'better' themes & general mythtv development
[11:25:00] dtm: juski: is it $0?
[11:26:00] juski: nope
[11:26:00] dtm: k
[11:26:00] dtm: never mind that then ;)
[11:26:00] nanoITX: juski: another stream shows 16–18% CPU on 720x480p
[11:26:00] juski: wouldn't be too hard to make a script to look up the movie name & replace the show description
[11:26:00] dtm: juski: yeah.
[11:27:00] dtm: juski: imdb.com might not like that though.
[11:27:00] juski: infact more than just zap2it users would benefit
[11:27:00] juski: imdb.com probably get lots of use from mythvideo searches anyway
[11:27:00] dtm: juski: it would be neat to somehow integrate all this though.
[11:27:00] juski: and it'll be small compared to the overall usage of their site
[11:27:00] dtm: juski: does myth have an imdb plugin?
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[11:28:00] dtm: juski: or what's a mythvideo search?
[11:28:00] juski: mythvideo has imdb.pl
[11:28:00] juski: btw hi laga.. peeps here are _so_ pissed off about the move, but I heard today that our nearest competitor is moving very close to where I live ;)
[11:29:00] dtm: juski: neat.
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[11:29:00] dtm: juski: well i have a $0 imdb account anyway.
[11:29:00] juski: it makes no difference, dtm
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[11:30:00] juski: you can do lookups even if you don't subscribe
[11:30:00] dtm: juski: yeah it just makes a difference to their business model ;)
[11:30:00] dtm: fwiw
[11:30:00] juski: sign up to talk crap & flame people about crap movies :-/
[11:30:00] dtm: hehe
[11:31:00] juski: gonna have to massage my CV soon
[11:31:00] dtm: juski: i hear that
[11:31:00] juski: not updated it for more than 4 years
[11:31:00] dtm: juski: good luc
[11:31:00] dtm: k
[11:31:00] dtm: juski: i hadn't updated mine in 2 years and it took me about 2 weeks
[11:32:00] juski: either that or change professions...
[11:32:00] dtm: heh.
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[11:34:00] juski: electronics is dead in the UK. I.T. & software is getting bad. manual labour is in short supply though. I could double what I earn if I was a plumber/electrician
[11:36:00] juski: even that's on the downward slope with all the low-cost labour moving here. I blame the accountants... now there's an idea...
[11:36:00] Merlin83b: juski: Make mythboxes ;-)
[11:38:00] galorin: juski, I'm scrapping my IT career and going into surveying with carpentry as a side.
[11:39:00] juski: all those ads on TV make me laugh.. "get a career in IT & make up to £35k...".. meaning.. "make up to £15k"
[11:40:00] juski: and get replaced by an import on a 2 year visa who makes £10k
[11:42:00] juski: aanyway.. any UK users have any luck with commflagging, even on easy stuff like aspect changes?
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[11:45:00] ivor: juski: IT is good for me. :P
[11:46:00] ** ivor scans around wildly for some wood to touch..... **
[11:46:00] ivor: aargh it's all plastic.
[11:46:00] juski: lol
[11:47:00] galorin: If you buy a fine crafted computer desk from my workshop (in a few years, maybe) you'll have plenty of wood to knock on to keep your career safe.
[11:48:00] ivor: phew, found a pencil.
[11:48:00] juski: hell if it'd pay the mortgage I'd go work in a supermarket
[11:48:00] galorin: Oh, rats, just lost a potential customer. cursed pencils!
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[12:08:00] znoG_: guys, which profile would mythtv be using when watching LiveTV?
[12:08:00] znoG_: which rec profile
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[12:10:00] juski: ffs
[12:10:00] juski: the LIVETV profile
[12:10:00] juski: as iits name kind of suggests
[12:11:00] juski: 'default' is the default recording profile ( !! )
[12:11:00] Pitchin_uk: Hi Guys im back. when i goto http://localhost/mythweb/ i get Fatal error: Call to undefined function: session_name() in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 48
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[12:12:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: you using SVN mythweb or something?
[12:13:00] juski: do you have PHP:mysql installed?
[12:13:00] znoG: juski: you would think so, but i have changed the encoding settings on the LiveTV profile, which resulted in exactly the same size .nuv files
[12:13:00] juski: znoG: I don't _think_ so. I know so
[12:14:00] juski: znoG: what kind of tuner do you have?
[12:14:00] znoG: yes, given the name it's pretty dead obvious its the liveTV profile, but then why doesn't the .nuv filesize change if I change the quality of the recording from 250 to 10?
[12:15:00] znoG: its an analog framegrabber card
[12:15:00] Pitchin_uk: I got the plugins from mythtv.org
[12:15:00] Pitchin_uk: i think i was missing the mysql plugin
[12:16:00] juski: znoG: the filesize will change the longer you have livetv on for.. i.e. the file gets bigger as it records live tv... up to a maximum size you set in your preferences
[12:16:00] Pitchin_uk: what permissions do i need to have on the www folder
[12:17:00] juski: Pitchin_uk: all mine are owned by root
[12:18:00] Pitchin_uk: what about view permissions
[12:18:00] znoG: juski: right, but one would think if I set the RTJPEG quality from 170 to, say, 10, the filesize would grow a lot slower than if its set to 170
[12:19:00] juski: znoG: biggest change you can get with rtjpeg is by changing the resolution of the capture
[12:19:00] juski: in the case of PVR cards the opposite is true.. the bitrate determines filesize
[12:22:00] juski: (IIRC)
[12:22:00] znoG: juski: i also tried changing to MPEG4 in the rec profile which didn't make much diff either
[12:23:00] juski: if you're using too much disk you have 3 choices: 1. put up with poor quality 2. get a bigger HDD 3. get a PVR card (or better.. 2 & 3)
[12:23:00] juski: saving money by using a crappy framegrabber card isn't saving you bother is it? ;)
[12:23:00] znoG: oh i would love a PVR card, but I'm in a different country to the EEUU and you can't get them here
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[12:33:00] juski: another user warned for sending me support requests by PM on the foruum... what's up with folks? can they not read?!
[12:34:00] laga: nope
[12:34:00] laga: people suck
[12:34:00] laga: ban him ;))
[12:34:00] juski: heheheh
[12:34:00] juski: the power! muhahahahahaha
[12:35:00] laga: yep
[12:35:00] laga: gotta love that moderator control panel ;)
[12:35:00] juski: okay so he started with 'Juski, you rock'.. I don't mind that so much ;)
[12:35:00] laga: hehe
[12:36:00] juski: but "would this system work ...?" how the hell should I know?
[12:36:00] laga:
[12:36:00] laga: stupid people
[12:38:00] juski: mythtv is going mainstream.. I can feel it
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[12:39:00] laga: because the users get less computer-savvy? ;)
[12:39:00] znoG: well how about that.. changed the res on the liveTV recordings and..... my PC freezes!
[12:39:00] juski: no, because there are more users who aren't linux savvy
[12:40:00] laga: juski: right. not sure if it's a good thing, though :)
[12:40:00] juski: a year ago I wouldn't disagreed withyou, but not now
[12:40:00] laga: hehe
[12:40:00] juski: hang on.. why am I typing in Engrish?
[12:41:00] laga: 0.19 is nigh, btw. isaac posted on the ML a few days ago that there's a feature freeze
[12:41:00] laga: juski: duh, i don't care ;)
[12:41:00] juski: that SystM video is terrible.. "just put the CD in & ding! it works!"
[12:41:00] laga: hehe
[12:41:00] laga: the systm guys are funny
[12:42:00] juski: I think they were being ironic
[12:42:00] laga: not obvious enough
[12:42:00] laga: well, with the right hardware, knoppmyth works like a charm
[12:42:00] laga: especially in north america with zap2it
[12:43:00] juski: hrh
[12:43:00] juski: heh
[12:44:00] juski: lol @ 'the news the MPAA has been caught copying movies
[12:45:00] ivor: juski: awesome
[12:45:00] ivor: throw the book at them I say
[12:46:00] ivor: and lock up John Prescott too....
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[12:47:00] laga: juski: german GVU (private organisation enforcing copyright stuff) is being suspect to have paid a server admin of a FXP site :)
[12:48:00] juski: FXP?
[12:48:00] znoG: juski: if I set the liveTV profile to encode in MPEG4, but not enable "enable transcode after recording" ... wouldn't it be transcoding anyway?
[12:49:00] laga: file exchange protocol. some ftp clients support it, it's basically ftp servers connecting to each other
[12:49:00] juski: ha
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[12:50:00] juski: znoG: how much livetv are you watching, for 2 to 5GB of file to be a problem, and how big is the HDD you're recording to?
[12:50:00] znoG: juski: its not about disk space, i have about 27GB free .. i'm just trying to get my LiveTV recording settings right, so I can go tune my default profile
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[12:51:00] juski: znoG: might be far easier to scheddule some manual recordings & play with the settings that way
[12:52:00] znoG: maybe, yeah
[12:52:00] juski: look in the recording profiles & see the 'low' quality preset
[12:52:00] znoG: it doesn't make sense.. i set liveTV to mpeg4 and 6300 bitrate (extremely high) and no quality change, no filesize change..
[12:52:00] znoG: ah well
[12:53:00] znoG: personally, in my case, the high and low quality profiles don't have anything different to each other. Both use RTJPEG, both on 170
[12:53:00] znoG: so im not sure where the low and high settings are
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[13:24:00] xnor: Does anyone know how to fix this, it says "libdvdread" encrypted dvd support unavailable. "home made dvd:s" plays fine....
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[13:25:00] laga: you'd had to install a LIB that DEcrypts CSS
[13:25:00] laga: but that's illegal and won't be discussed here
[13:26:00] xnor: Oh sorry didint know that
[13:27:00] znoG: juski: do I have to modify the high/low quality profiles from install or do they come pre-configured with some sane values for low and high quality?
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[13:37:00] ivor: laga: bah I always get fedup with the "its illegal" argument. :P
[13:38:00] laga: ivor: *shrug*
[13:38:00] ivor: I know
[13:38:00] laga: ivor: let's say that god kills a kitten if you talk about it, ok? :)
[13:38:00] ivor: perhaps we should change the message to: "libdvdread unavailabe, try google"
[13:38:00] laga: hehe
[13:38:00] ivor: with proper spelling of course. :D
[13:40:00] laga: no, let's just pretend we outsource mythdvd to india. ;)
[13:44:00] ivor: besides noone worries about paying mpeg license fees do they?
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[13:46:00] laga: there's a difference between having to pay fees to a private company and breaking a law by circumventing copy protection. and it's possible that you don't have to pay licence fees to the MPEG consortium if you are not doing commercial stuff, probably.
[13:46:00] laga: digitalb0y: heya, long time no see
[13:48:00] digitalb0y: hey, yea been workin, keeping real busy
[13:48:00] laga: digitalb0y: hehe
[13:49:00] ivor: laga: nope there's no difference. anyway, I know the channel policy, so I guess leave it at that. just winds me up...
[13:49:00] laga: ivor: open your own channel ;)
[13:49:00] ivor: lol
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[13:52:00] digitalb0y: Laga: just this past weekend I FINALY got to try out my HiDef ATSC HD-5000 Card, I I bought back in March which was shiped to me in Sept.
[13:52:00] Cougar: (freechar plugin notice) I'm using UTF-8 charset(encoding) for my russian-cyrillic, so if you're using another, please type '~encoding' (encoding: cp, koi) that you're using, thus we can comunicate well, thanks !
[13:53:00] ** ivor slaps Cougar **
[13:53:00] Cougar: sorry ;-(
[13:53:00] ivor: :)
[13:53:00] Cougar: I don't never ever use any unknown pluguin any more
[13:54:00] laga: digitalb0y: oh, wow. did it work? ;)
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[13:56:00] digitalb0y: Laga:I used The QAM Cable Interface (which there is not much documentation on) insted of the OTA. After a lot of manual editing of the database cause the build in scan didnt work to well I got it working!!
[13:56:00] laga: digitalb0y: hehe, nice. and let me guess, now your frontend is too slow?
[13:57:00] digitalb0y: yep!! I'm going to move my front end to a second machine cause the video card in it cant keep up.
[13:57:00] laga: hehe :>
[13:58:00] digitalb0y: When recording only takes (at most 8%) with playback it goes to 99%
[14:02:00] GreyFoxx: digital what kind of CPU, Myth version and are you running an Nvidia card with the latest driversr ?
[14:04:00] digitalb0y: GreyFoxx: Not using Nvidia it's a mini atx machine using the integrated sis video, which worked fine with analog but not with HDTV
[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok, Was wondcering if it was due to the recent nvidia driver opengl vsync bugs
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[14:05:00] GreyFoxx: I assume you have plenty of CPU for handling HDTV?
[14:06:00] digitalb0y: I'm using an Intel P4 2.4 1mb cache
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: Tried using libmpeg2 for the decoding rather than the default decoder library ?
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[14:08:00] digitalb0y: yes I have
[14:09:00] digitalb0y: I'm also using the 3d acc sis driver but it does not seem to help much
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: 2.4G sounds like plenty
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: It's not really 3d related :)
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: XV output is working fine ?
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[14:13:00] digitalb0y: I have it enabled and works well with mplayer
[14:14:00] digitalb0y: So I 'm going to use my AMD Opteron /w GeForceFX as a front end and it should work well, but it's also my main system that I use for a lot of other things.
[14:14:00] digitalb0y: so I will work somthing out.
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[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: You'd think that the P2.4 could handle it tough
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: though
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[14:23:00] mchou: digitalb0y: this is an integrated display chip on mobo or what?
[14:24:00] mchou: digitalb0y: ahh, ok, you said integrated SiS.....most likely not enough memory bandwidth for hDTV decode.
[14:25:00] mchou: digitalb0y: no amount of CPU is gonna be enough for that integrated display :(
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[14:28:00] digitalb0y: yea its on the mobo
[14:29:00] mchou: digitalb0y: yeah, use the other system or get another nvidia AGP/PCIe card :)
[14:29:00] mchou: digitalb0y: and not the nvidia "Turbocache" either :)
[14:30:00] digitalb0y: I would need to get a low profile agp card cause nothing else will fit.
[14:30:00] mchou: yeah, those should be to hard to come by these days
[14:31:00] mchou: a lot of fx5x00 are low profile, iirc.....
[14:31:00] laga: my geforce 4 mx 440 made by 'canyon' came with a low-profile slot bracket. not sure if the card is any good, though
[14:32:00] mchou: laga: I dunno, some gf4 xvmc's are busted
[14:32:00] mchou: I cant keep track which gf4s are busted :)
[14:32:00] mchou: so I just recommend fx5x00 instead.
[14:33:00] laga: hehe
[14:33:00] laga: works for me
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[14:34:00] mchou: something about not having HW motion compensation or DCT, I forget which.....
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[14:46:00] digitalb0y: **at work *** So I might not respond quickly. I used to have a geforce 4 mx 440 it was ok but then i got an Nvidia GeForce FX 5700 in my Operton. So I'll see what I can find for my minipc.
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[15:02:00] mchou: wow, actor Chris Penn died. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.asp . . . _US-PENN.xml
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[15:11:00] NHIwerx: which is better MPEG-2 TS or MPEG-2 PS ? the terratec cinergy 1200 or 1400 can one or the other
[15:11:00] Merlin83b: You probably want PS, but one isn't "better" than the other, they're just different.
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[15:14:00] NHIwerx: doesnt matter for postprocessing with mythtv ?
[15:14:00] laga: PS is better supported.
[15:14:00] GreyFoxx: for other others, from myths perspecitive it doesn't matter
[15:14:00] GreyFoxx: err for other tools Imean
[15:14:00] mchou: NHIwerx: you have a terratec card?
[15:15:00] NHIwerx: mchou: want to buy one
[15:15:00] NHIwerx: cinergy 1200 dvbt or 1400 dvbt
[15:15:00] mchou: 1400 PCB looks white/gray......
[15:15:00] mchou: funky color.
[15:16:00] NHIwerx: funny is 1400 is cheaper
[15:16:00] NHIwerx: but has spdif out which 1200 doesnt
[15:16:00] NHIwerx: strange
[15:16:00] laga: make sure you can use the spdif out in linux..
[15:19:00] NHIwerx: dont need it
[15:19:00] NHIwerx: card is for s server
[15:19:00] NHIwerx: just to record
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[15:19:00] mchou: weird. 1200 looks like it has a ide drive connector......
[15:20:00] laga: maybe CI?
[15:20:00] mchou: laga: maybe.
[15:20:00] NHIwerx: naw
[15:20:00] NHIwerx: http://productsde.terratec.net/html/FeaturesT . . . gital-de.htm
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[15:21:00] mchou: NHIwerx: what is 'PVA?'
[15:21:00] NHIwerx: dunno
[15:22:00] NHIwerx: both cards run with linux
[15:22:00] NHIwerx: im calling terratec now to ask why 1400 is cheaper
[15:22:00] NHIwerx: strange since it seems more features
[15:24:00] mchou: NHIwerx: according to your link 1400 is not linux supported.....is that out of date?
[15:24:00] mchou: (the listing, that is)
[15:26:00] laga: maybe you should check www.linuxtv.org
[15:28:00] NHIwerx: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cinergy_1400_DVB-T
[15:28:00] NHIwerx: 1400 works
[15:28:00] NHIwerx: terratec told me the 1400 is the successor
[15:28:00] NHIwerx: but same pic quality
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[15:29:00] NHIwerx: ill grab the 1400 for 49 ?
[15:29:00] NHIwerx: thx for listening guys :)
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[15:30:00] NHIwerx: laga you use a pvr 150 right
[15:30:00] mchou: NHIwerx: not a bad price at all.....
[15:31:00] mchou: NHIwerx: 49 euros?
[15:31:00] NHIwerx: i currently use a pvr 350 but my cable quality doesnt make me so happy, so I prefer dvbt
[15:31:00] laga: NHIwerx: pvr 250, yep
[15:31:00] NHIwerx: mchou: yes
[15:31:00] laga: NHIwerx: i don't have dvb-t yet :/
[15:31:00] NHIwerx: ah k
[15:32:00] NHIwerx: hmm so i suppose cause dvbt is digital no need for an hw encoder right
[15:32:00] NHIwerx: as on the pvr cards
[15:32:00] laga: right
[15:34:00] NHIwerx: and no need to get epg info with grab script as it comes with dvbt right too ?
[15:34:00] Merlin83b: It grabs it off the air (use GreyFoxx's patches!)
[15:35:00] NHIwerx: ah k thx
[15:36:00] NHIwerx: where i get thos on the mythtv page ?
[15:36:00] Merlin83b: Erm, you'd need to get them from trac – not sure of the URL. Search for EIT cache and EIT helper
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[15:43:00] NHIwerx: hmm not so easy to find
[15:44:00] GreyFoxx: The EITHelper patch was put into svn
[15:44:00] Merlin83b: Oh, yay.
[15:44:00] Merlin83b: Which was the one that made all the difference?
[15:44:00] GreyFoxx: well eithelper lessens the load on the database, eitcache would make the most difference overall
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: I started profiling my dev box last night to see where the next largest slowdowns are
[15:46:00] NHIwerx: GreyFoxx: so Id have to use mythtv cvs then
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: for that patches yes
[15:46:00] NHIwerx: ok
[15:48:00] ivor: GreyFoxx: I think the regexes could be reworked too.
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[15:49:00] ivor: I'll have to pull them out into a separate test app and have a play.
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: ivor: In EITFixUp* ?
[15:50:00] ivor: GreyFoxx: yeah that's the one
[15:50:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't looked at those yet
[15:52:00] GreyFoxx: I've got a couple profile sets done. One where I was processing a ton of EIT data and it was going through the full process from coming in , getting parsed and dump to the DB, as well as a profile where data was already in the system and the cache is helping us avoid processing data multiple times
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[16:02:00] rav3r: afternoon everyone
[16:02:00] rav3r: ^good
[16:06:00] NHIwerx: so anyone using a dvbt device with mythtv stable doesnt get any epg info ?
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[16:12:00] MeeKs: ok im finally sick of my tivo, i have an old pc laying around and would like a little help turning it into a mythtv box, can anyone help?
[16:12:00] johnp_: NHIwerx, which country are you in ? It worked in the UK, I think I fixed it for the Nordic countries etc, may also work in Germany.
[16:12:00] johnp_: NHIwerx, ( this is in svn )
[16:13:00] NHIwerx: im in de
[16:14:00] NHIwerx: yes im kinda didnt want to install svn if i dont really have to :)
[16:14:00] rav3r: MeeKs: this room is very helpful, if you ask specific questions
[16:14:00] MeeKs: well ill start with what i have first
[16:14:00] johnp_: NHIwerx, wait a little while it's meant to be getting close.
[16:14:00] MeeKs: amd sempron 2800 (64bit core) 512 pc2300, 2x 250gb HD's, and a cdrw/dvdrom drive
[16:15:00] MeeKs: pc3200*
[16:16:00] MeeKs: i want to hook it up to a 27" panasonic tv with component inputs
[16:17:00] NHIwerx: as im reading a mythtv dvb howto it tells me i can use xmltv anyway
[16:17:00] NHIwerx: now im confused
[16:17:00] mchou: anyone have DVICO Fusion 5 here?
[16:17:00] Merlin83b: MeeKs: You'll need at least one TV capture card and some way of getting the output onto the TV screen like a graphics card with tv out.
[16:17:00] MeeKs: ok
[16:18:00] MeeKs: what do you recommend, and how is the quality of the output, ihave seen a few cards and its terrible
[16:18:00] NHIwerx: does it mean i CAN use xmltv to grab epg data for my dvbt setup but don't HAVE to if I use patched mythtv, than I can use it of the air ?
[16:19:00] Merlin83b: MeeKs: I use an Epia so that's not an option for you. Lots of people use GeForce cards – I'll let someone else recommend one though.
[16:19:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: There's a tv_grab_dvb which grabs the guide data from the DVB stream and puts it into myth via the normal mythfilldatabase method.
[16:20:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: But it misses episode titles and stuff. Go for the bleeding edge and have it working the way it should :-)
[16:20:00] NHIwerx: hehe k
[16:21:00] NHIwerx: ill first grab the dvb-t card...install it..fiddle with it...cancel date with my gf...go crazy..and goto sleep at 6 am
[16:21:00] NHIwerx: sounds like a plan
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:21:00] mchou: NHIwerx: haha!
[16:21:00] Merlin83b: I'd do all of that except cancel the date :-)
[16:22:00] mchou: same here
[16:22:00] NHIwerx: fiddle with gf ?
[16:22:00] mchou: lol
[16:22:00] mchou: diddle :)
[16:22:00] johnp_: NHIwerx: You pays your money you take your choice. Either tv_grab_dvb, another xmltv grabber, the internal over the air grabber, or the bleeding edge code from svn (so many choices)
[16:22:00] Merlin83b: Of which that last one is the best.
[16:23:00] mchou: start the compile now :)
[16:23:00] johnp_: Merlin83b: hopefully :)
[16:23:00] mchou: too keep the date
[16:24:00] NHIwerx: ok ok
[16:24:00] NHIwerx: i want the best of course
[16:24:00] johnp_: GreyFoxx: are you around ? Do you still look after the Niveus remote code ?
[16:25:00] NHIwerx: tired of analog captures with stripes ns shit
[16:25:00] mchou: NHIwerx: then be prepared for pixelation :)
[16:26:00] NHIwerx: how many days ahead is epg info from dvb
[16:26:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: 8
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[16:26:00] NHIwerx: good enuff
[16:26:00] NHIwerx: pixelation ?
[16:26:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: Are you in the UK?
[16:26:00] NHIwerx: no de
[16:26:00] Merlin83b: Oh right, then I do not know if 8 is correct.
[16:26:00] mchou: NHIwerx: bad signal :)\
[16:27:00] NHIwerx: oh
[16:27:00] Merlin83b: If you don't want stripes and can have DVB, get a Hauppauge Nova-T card or two.
[16:27:00] NHIwerx: ill leave the pvr 350 in it too well see
[16:27:00] Merlin83b: No reason not to :-)
[16:27:00] laga: NHIwerx: there is a german channel where some people have dvb-t, you might wanna ask in #mythtv-de
[16:27:00] NHIwerx: Merlin83b: aha, thats better than terratec ?
[16:28:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: No idea, but I know a lot of people have them working and they seem pretty trouble-free.
[16:28:00] NHIwerx: laga: ah thx
[16:29:00] NHIwerx: Merlin83b: same chipset as the terratec 1400
[16:29:00] NHIwerx: Merlin83b: terratec card is half price here
[16:29:00] Merlin83b: NHIwerx: Fair enough, might work just as well then :-)
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[16:30:00] NHIwerx: k im off for the kill, l8 & thx
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[16:37:00] rav3r: NHIwerx: i've read about capturing from your digital box with firewire, no card needed, but i don't know anything else about it
[16:39:00] GreyFoxx: johnp_: YEah, I haven't touched it in a while though. I haven't tried it on any kernels newer that 2.6.12.6
[16:39:00] laga: rav3r: doesn't work in germany
[16:40:00] mchou: laga: why not?
[16:40:00] laga: settop boxen are not very common here.
[16:40:00] johnp_: GreyFoxx, I don't think it works anymore. Anyway I "fixed" it. If you're interested in the code I'll post it later (?) I made some other changes as well which you may or may not want.
[16:41:00] laga: there is a lot of free tv and only one or two cable companies that encrypt their content
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: Sure, send them to me or /msg me a URL :)(
[16:41:00] GreyFoxx: I planned to go over it anyway
[16:42:00] johnp_: ok
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[16:44:00] rav3r: thanks greyfoxx, didn't catch that he was in germany
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[16:44:00] GreyFoxx: rav3r: You mean laga ?
[16:45:00] rav3r: NHIwerx
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[16:45:00] laga: confusion :)
[16:45:00] rav3r: sorry, it's my fault, i replied a few mins late
[16:46:00] rav3r: subject had changed by then
[16:46:00] laga: np :)
[16:47:00] simcop2387: mythtv needs a method of scheduling that says "record this show before all others, even if available at a later time"
[16:47:00] simcop2387: that and i need more tuners
[16:47:00] Merlin83b: Um, don't do episode matching stuff and give it a high priority simcop2387.
[16:49:00] rav3r: i have a question about jfs, i am trying to set it up and when i do /usr/sbin.mkfs.jfs /dev/vgformyth/video i get "no such file or directory"
[16:50:00] Merlin83b: mkfs -t jfs
[16:50:00] rav3r: and a locate mkfs.jfs returns nothing
[16:50:00] Merlin83b: Then you don't have jfs set up right, rav3r.
[16:50:00] rav3r: mkfs -t jfs instead of mkfs.jfs?
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[16:51:00] rav3r: locate jfs finds lots of stuff
[16:51:00] rav3r: stuff in the kernels folder
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[16:51:00] rav3r: i did yum update, doesn't that set up jfs?
[16:52:00] simcop2387: Merlin83b: hmm
[16:52:00] simcop2387: Merlin83b: i think i'm gonna do that, certain shows (mythbusters) always tend to get delayed unless i manually adjust it
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[16:57:00] rav3r: is there another step after # yum upgrade to get the jfs working?
[16:59:00] xpis: probably yum install jfs-progs, jfstools, jfs-tools, or jfsprogs
[16:59:00] xpis: (I'm not sure what the name of the package is)
[17:00:00] mchou: xpis: bah, sounds complicated. use xfs instead.
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[17:01:00] xpis: The problem, though, is that jfs and xfs volumes can't be shrunk.
[17:01:00] mchou: xpis: hy is that a proble fo rmyth?
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[17:02:00] mchou: for myth*
[17:02:00] mchou: xpis: why is that a problem for myth?
[17:03:00] xpis: mchou: If you decide you no longer want your partition to take up your entire 400GB hard drive, after you have 200GB of data on it, there is no way to shrink it.
[17:04:00] rav3r: thanks, xpis, it's doing something
[17:04:00] mchou: xpis: bah, for your video partition that's not an issue
[17:04:00] rav3r: everything i've read says fedora 4 has it built in, i don't know why i've had this trouble
[17:04:00] xpis: rav3r: jfs*{tools|progs} will install mkfs.jfs among other things.
[17:07:00] mchou: Krazylegz: you around?
[17:09:00] rav3r: xpis: got "nothing to do" for both of those
[17:09:00] mchou: rav3r: bah, I recommend xfs
[17:09:00] mchou: rav3r: install xfsprogs :)
[17:10:00] rav3r: hehe, i know, i keep telling myself to give up and do xfs, but for some reason i am determined to get jfs to work
[17:10:00] Krazylegz: mchou: Yes.
[17:10:00] mchou: and you're pretty much set.
[17:12:00] rav3r: all of these text commands in jarod's guide, i have been doing them in the linux console in the kde, is that wrong?
[17:13:00] mchou: rav3r: do them in any console :)
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[17:14:00] rav3r: didn't know if was supposed to be outside of kde, if perhaps that was causing me problems
[17:16:00] mbligh: I am having a wierd prioblem with a new myth install – I pick a couple of specific episodes of programs to record ... There's two tabs on mythweb, nothing shows up in "scheduled recordings", but it shows up under "recording schedules" ... any idea what sort of things to look for?
[17:17:00] rav3r: ok, i did yum install for jfstools, jfsprogs, and jfsutils, but still locate mkfs.jfs gives me nada, what am i missing?
[17:18:00] mik3: locate's database is usually refreshed on a cronjob, i doubt it would find it right after installing it
[17:19:00] mik3: look in /sbin
[17:19:00] rav3r: whats the command for updating the database?
[17:19:00] rav3r: i did it once...
[17:19:00] mik3: not sure, kinda depends on distro
[17:20:00] rav3r: ooooh i see it in sbin!
[17:20:00] rav3r: OMG
[17:20:00] rav3r: it worked!
[17:20:00] rav3r: (i've been at this for days)
[17:21:00] rav3r: everything else i had to do in /usr/sbin
[17:21:00] rav3r: didn't try sbin
[17:21:00] rav3r: thx, mik3
[17:21:00] mik3: np
[17:22:00] rav3r: ugh, now i can finally move on
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[17:24:00] whyz: hm hm hm.. i've installed mythvideo and entered the path to my movies (an smb mounted directory), but when scanning for movies, mythvideo finds nothing
[17:24:00] whyz: i've checked the extensions and all
[17:27:00] whyz: any ideas?
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[17:30:00] juski: whyz: is the mythtv user authorised to view files in the mounted directory?
[17:32:00] whyz: juski, mythfrontend is running as myself.. and i am authorised
[17:33:00] juski: when you ls the directory you mounted the share to, do you see the files?
[17:33:00] whyz: i checked the database, and there are no entries in any of the video* tables
[17:33:00] whyz: yepp
[17:34:00] juski: obvious thing: have you gone into the video manager to scan for videos? some people just assume they'll appear
[17:35:00] whyz: yeah, i have... i've used mythvideo before, but moved the card to another box and reinstalled mythvideo, so i know "the procedure" on how to scan for them atleast :)
[17:35:00] juski: ahh
[17:35:00] whyz: the scanner just says "no movie files found"
[17:35:00] whyz: but in swedish ;D
[17:35:00] juski: heh
[17:36:00] juski: what type are the videos it's not finding?
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[17:36:00] whyz: any actually.. mpegs, avis, bins..
[17:36:00] juski: tricky
[17:37:00] whyz: yeah :/
[17:37:00] rav3r: i was installing nvidea drivers with yum, and now iget "i cannont start the x server" wtf?
[17:38:00] juski: what is this? a nvidia-users channel?
[17:39:00] rav3r: sorry, it's part of jarrod's guide, so i thoght it applied
[17:39:00] juski: I thought I was just being deliberately cheeky
[17:39:00] juski: ;-)
[17:39:00] rav3r: :)
[17:40:00] juski: try googling for a nvidia installation howto for FC3/4/whatever
[17:41:00] juski: and treble check you've read the guide properly.. it's all too easy to miss a step
[17:41:00] rav3r: thanks
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[17:43:00] nuonguy: Anyone seeing mtd crash?
[17:44:00] nuonguy: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mtd: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08c04ac0 ***
[17:45:00] whyz: juski, i fixed it now.. i changed dir to /tmp, rescanned, found a movie that i put there, changed back to the smb mount and rescanned.. voila
[17:47:00] juski: hrm.. weirdness
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[17:48:00] bryan03: Hey everybody
[17:49:00] bryan03: When I try to transcode a recorded show, it errors out and I get this in my mythbackend.log: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bGadW648.html Does it look familiar to anyone?
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[17:52:00] whyz: yeah, a bit weird..
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[17:55:00] bryan03: I'm wondering if maybe i'm missing a setting somewhere, or if I don't have some codecs installed altogether. I'm using a Hauppauge 500 with RA5A22.
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[17:56:00] bryan03: I get the same error with A30 also, so I figured i'd go back a version since I did have this working at one time
[17:57:00] bryan03: ah... this might be the answer: http://www.pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?p=95088
[17:59:00] whyz: hm, this is strange.. when i play videos with mythvideo, the sound is supposed to go via the scart cable that came with the pvr card.. i plug it in to the output of the soundcard, but i get no sound on the tv anyways
[17:59:00] whyz: if i instead plug in headphones, i get sound in them
[17:59:00] juski: ugh.. another pvr350
[18:00:00] whyz: hehe
[18:00:00] juski: what speed is your CPU?
[18:00:00] kormoc: did you set xine/mplayer to output to the pvr card?
[18:00:00] juski: anyway.. erm... are the video players optimised to output to the pvrcard's audio output?
[18:01:00] whyz: juski, p3 1000
[18:01:00] juski: 1ghz is enough to play back xvid etc..
[18:01:00] whyz: kormoc, no i didn't.. didn't know it could.
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[18:01:00] juski: never mind
[18:02:00] juski: it sort of figures that if you use an external app to play video, that app. must be able to use the pvr350 audio channels
[18:02:00] kormoc: whyz, so then how does the program know to output it that way rather then the standard way of the sound card?
[18:03:00] whyz: kormoc, as i said, the cable has 2 plugs, one scart and one going to the sound output of the pc
[18:03:00] whyz: but it doesn't seem to work
[18:04:00] juski: actually if you want to play back xvid etc it _really_ defeats the main advantage of having the pvr350 in the 1st place
[18:04:00] whyz: the same connection works fine with headphones
[18:04:00] whyz: yeah i know juski
[18:04:00] kormoc: ahh, I see what you're saying
[18:04:00] kormoc: perhaps the 350 needs to be told to expect audio?
[18:04:00] Chutt: you can't treat the 350 as a soundcard and play audio on it.
[18:05:00] Chutt: that's why all the docs tell you to loop back through the soundcard.
[18:05:00] kormoc: that seems rather... restrictive, ahh well.
[18:05:00] whyz: :)
[18:06:00] juski: that makes sense actually
[18:07:00] whyz: Chutt, do you know if the cable that comes with the pvr 350 uses the same pins for audio for both the scart-only sound and the cable going directly to the soundcard? coz otherwise i can't understand how the hell it couldn't work (as it works with headphones)
[18:07:00] juski: here I go.. testing 2 disks on the same bracket, seeing if thrashing one affects the data throughput of the other...
[18:07:00] whyz: same pins in the tv end that is
[18:07:00] Chutt: i don't live in the uk, no scart here.
[18:07:00] whyz: i don't live in the uk either
[18:07:00] whyz: heh :)
[18:07:00] juski: didn't know the 350 was even shipped with a scart lead
[18:08:00] whyz: hm, never thought of that.. what do you use if you don't use scart?
[18:08:00] juski: erm... video leads & audio leads
[18:08:00] juski: of course
[18:08:00] whyz: just svideo?
[18:08:00] whyz: or the rca version?
[18:08:00] juski: I use scart at home, but when I don't use scart I use phono leads for audio & phono leads/svid leads for video
[18:09:00] juski: we know 'rca' as phono over here
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[18:09:00] juski: the pvr350 audio output is on a 3.5mm stereo jack socket isn't it?
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[18:10:00] juski: so you'd loop a lead from that into the line input of your soundcard
[18:10:00] juski: or if the audio comes out on RCA plugs/sockets you need to adapt them to 3.5mm stereo jack plug to go into the soundcard line input
[18:12:00] whyz: well you're missing what i'm saying again.. when playing video, the sound goes through the soundcard. The scart cable has two connections in the pc end, one going to the pvr 350, the other one going to the soundcard. the other end is a scart socket
[18:12:00] whyz: i have confirmed that the sound comes out from the soundcard, but never reaches the tv
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[18:12:00] juski: ah
[18:12:00] Chutt: err
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[18:12:00] juski: problem with the scart lead then
[18:12:00] Chutt: you're treating an audio output on the pvr-350 as an input.
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[18:12:00] prologic: Hi, I know I"m running mythtv 0.17, but how do I get it to turn on lirc input ?
[18:12:00] xnor: How can i test if my pvr350 fm radio tuner works?
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[18:13:00] whyz: Chutt, i don't follow..
[18:14:00] juski: oh no ... according to the Hauppauge website you do get a scart output in Europe
[18:14:00] whyz: juski, that is correct :)
[18:15:00] juski: whyz: I guess you can hear TV sound okay on your TV over the SCART connection in mythtv's TV function, yes?
[18:15:00] juski: but when you play videos the audio comes out of your soundcard
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[18:15:00] whyz: juski, correct.
[18:16:00] juski: so.. what you need to do is adapt the SCART lead to take audio from your soundcard but video from the PVR350 output
[18:17:00] whyz: that's the thing.. the scart lead that comes with the pvr is already built that way
[18:17:00] juski: might be easier to try get hold of (or make) a USA lead
[18:17:00] juski: where you get audio on RCA sockets & svideo & RCA video out
[18:17:00] rav3r: how do i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf? do i need to do it in the console?
[18:18:00] kormoc: rav3r, nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf would likely be best for you, and yeah, console is likely a good place to do it
[18:18:00] juski: also, it's good to use a keyboard
[18:18:00] rav3r: hehe
[18:19:00] rav3r: thanks
[18:19:00] whyz: juski, that doesn't work with my tv.. i have to use an svideo -> scart adapter (been there, done that), but that does only work in black/white because of the adapter sucking bigtime..
[18:19:00] whyz: i can't believe i bought a tv without svideo in in the first place
[18:20:00] juski: if you can solder, or if you know someone who can solder, it'd be no problem to fix
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[18:20:00] juski: you don't even need to disturb the pVR350's lead
[18:20:00] whyz: juski, just to give you an idea of my stuff: http://www.sweclockers.com/html/recension/rec . . . /02_stor.jpg
[18:21:00] juski: I can picture it already ;)
[18:21:00] whyz: see the scart lead? it has 2 connections.. one 3.5mm plug and the ordinary pvr350 connection
[18:21:00] whyz: haha
[18:22:00] juski: oh.. it comes out on a scart plug
[18:22:00] juski: nasty
[18:22:00] juski: but it's not an insurmountable problem
[18:23:00] juski: just need a small box, SCART socket, some wire, some 3.5mm plugs & some solder
[18:23:00] whyz: but how is it possible that it *doesn't* work? sound works fine when watching live TV. they can't be so stupid that they put the sound output from the 3.5mm cable to some other pins
[18:24:00] juski: whyz: here's the deal for yer:
[18:24:00] juski: the pvr350 audio output goes _straight_ into your TV thru the SCART plug
[18:24:00] whyz: yepp, true.
[18:24:00] juski: you can't tap it off into the line input of your soundcard
[18:24:00] whyz: correct.
[18:25:00] juski: not without making a new lead or modifying the old one
[18:25:00] juski: they didn't make the 350 with mythtv in mind
[18:25:00] juski: or with using Linux
[18:25:00] juski: or anyone else's software
[18:25:00] juski: give me a sec... if you can't solder there's still hope
[18:26:00] whyz: well, i don't want to tap it off into the line input of the soundcard, i want videos to send their audio through the scart via the sound OUTPUT
[18:26:00] whyz: i do know how to solder :)
[18:26:00] whyz: and that's what the cable is for
[18:26:00] whyz: so, there's no need for software
[18:27:00] whyz: the sound DOES come out of the soundcard
[18:27:00] whyz: the cable IS connected to both pvr350 AND soundcard
[18:27:00] whyz: but: it doesn't reach the TV
[18:27:00] juski: they can't do that
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[18:28:00] whyz: ? it's evident that they can.. the cable came with the card
[18:28:00] juski: you've _got_ to bring the pVR350 audio output to _only_ the soundcard line input. no tapping off
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[18:29:00] juski: you can't just mix the soundcard output into the pvr350 audio output with a lead.. it might work but it'd sound horrible at best or break the soundcard/350 at worst
[18:30:00] ** juski checks the pvr350 manual **
[18:31:00] ** whyz does the same **
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[18:35:00] juski: hmmm. not much talk about the AV output in the manual.. tsck
[18:36:00] laga: what did you expect? it's a manual
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[18:38:00] toma: hi
[18:38:00] juski: bottom line is, wyhz – you've got to get a scart socket & wire it so that the pvr350 AV lead goes into that. you then take the audio connections from that scart socket to the line input of your souncard. take the video (compo or svid) to another scart socket (2). Then take the PC audio output & team that up the video you wired up to scart socket(2). plug scart lead from socket (2) into your TV.. sorted
[18:38:00] juski: anyway.. time to leave these HDDs to stew overnight...
[18:38:00] juski: laters
[18:39:00] whyz: thanks for your time juski
[18:39:00] toma: I have all kinds of collors around my tv-screen when viewing live or recorded, I can not seem to find the right settings for vertscanperc etc. Is there a trick to find the right ones?
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[18:52:00] Niteryder: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
[18:52:00] kormoc: google might
[18:53:00] Niteryder: you think
[18:53:00] kormoc: perhaps. it sorts of specializes in that sort of thing.
[18:54:00] Niteryder: It baffels me why this channel even exists with google being around..
[18:54:00] NightMonkey: 'cept in China, of course.
[18:55:00] kormoc: Niteryder, perhaps it's for asking specific questions, not general ones? just a thought.
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[19:00:00] Cardoe: howdy kormoc
[19:00:00] Cardoe: and all
[19:00:00] laga: evening Cardoe
[19:00:00] Cardoe: hey laga
[19:01:00] kormoc: mornin Cardoe
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[19:06:00] Cardoe: trying to play with Asterisk
[19:07:00] sPiN: hey im running the svn from a couple days ago, and i cant find the options to set how much it FF and REW
[19:08:00] sPiN: they were in settings – tv – playback, and the settings are still there for the sticky key stuff and smart ff/rew, but you cant set how many secs it does FF or ReW
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[19:12:00] rav3r: where is the x log?
[19:13:00] kormoc: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:13:00] kormoc: rav3r, you're really new to this, arncha?
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[19:14:00] rav3r: sorry if i am trying patience
[19:15:00] kormoc: more of a wonderance what you're tring to do?
[19:15:00] rav3r: i've been wanting a mythtv box for about 2 years
[19:15:00] laga: same for me.
[19:15:00] rav3r: just now have all the "stuff" and am trying to get it all to work
[19:15:00] kormoc: rav3r, sure, but what are you working on right this moment?
[19:15:00] rav3r: i am trying to get my geforce mx 4000 card to work
[19:15:00] kormoc: what's the issue?
[19:16:00] rav3r: x wont start
[19:16:00] kormoc: would you like some help?
[19:16:00] rav3r: i would love some help
[19:17:00] kormoc: put your xorg.conf and xorg.log up in pastebin.ca and link us to it
[19:17:00] rav3r: hmmm
[19:17:00] rav3r: ok, how do i get the log from my linux box up there?
[19:17:00] rav3r: it does have internet connection
[19:17:00] laga: firefox? :)
[19:17:00] laga: or just put them on your webspace, if you have any
[19:17:00] dasOp: without X? :P
[19:17:00] rav3r: oh wait, i think i can fix the conf file to get x to start
[19:18:00] dasOp: I'm guessin there's no directfb firefox available
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[19:22:00] kormoc: rav3r, do you have any web space anywhere?
[19:23:00] rav3r: yea, i'm getting it up
[19:23:00] laga: *cough*
[19:23:00] rav3r: hehe
[19:23:00] rav3r: i mean, im getting the file to someplace
[19:23:00] laga: ;)
[19:23:00] rav3r: where is the xorg.log?
[19:23:00] kormoc: /var/log/
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[19:27:00] rav3r: i see xorg.0.log, is that it?
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[19:29:00] beavis: is anyone using current SVN? My LiveTV looks awful today: http://bdam.ath.cx/~beavis/CIMG5394.JPG <-- what could be the reason?
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: Wow thatis messed up
[19:30:00] beavis: yes, it was ok for month now, today it really sucks
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: Ahh channels?
[19:30:00] GreyFoxx: Err All
[19:30:00] kormoc: rav3r, yupo
[19:31:00] rav3r: k, thanks
[19:31:00] beavis: GreyFoxx: all channels, yes
[19:31:00] ivor: whoa. what's the system/config/setup?
[19:31:00] juski: looks like the wrong capture size or wrong vid standard to me
[19:32:00] beavis: GreyFoxx: but it's only LiveTV, it's ok when I watch this file from the recordings menu
[19:32:00] juski: maybe the livetv profile is borked
[19:32:00] juski: try adjusting the size
[19:32:00] beavis: hmm, it's dvb
[19:32:00] defaultro: afternoon guys, is there a way for us to tell that the program captured on the generated mpg file is encrypted?
[19:33:00] juski: dvb? ouch
[19:33:00] juski: erm.. if it's encrypted you won't be able to watch it
[19:34:00] rav3r: ok, kormoc, http://pastebin.ca/38568
[19:34:00] metalac: do people who have HDTV here use HDTV exclusevly? or do they keep an extra card to deal with "regular" tv
[19:37:00] Niteryder: I have a ATI wonder in my myth system (fc4), and the channels are fuzzy and distorted. How do you modify the frequency settings.
[19:38:00] juski: finetune
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[19:39:00] GreyFoxx: metalac: I think most use both
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[19:39:00] kormoc: rav3r, first, remove dri from your xorg conf, nvidia cards don't use dri
[19:40:00] defaultro: hey guys, how do I use the azap output onto mplayer as input?
[19:40:00] kormoc: rav3r, line 33, 114 to 117
[19:40:00] defaultro: i got it :D
[19:41:00] kormoc: rav3r, and I need the xorg.log from starting with the nvidia driver, not the vesa driver
[19:41:00] metalac: GreyFoxx: so you think PVR-500 and HD-3000 would be a good combo?
[19:43:00] rav3r: ok, i had the dri commented out, but put it back so x would start
[19:43:00] Niteryder: juski: how do you finetune?
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[19:43:00] rav3r: i just took it out and the other lines, and am going to restart
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: metalac: Honestly I don't have either of those, but several people use them
[19:43:00] kormoc: So mythdevs, any preticular reason why non recorded shows are getting added to the oldrecorded table?
[19:43:00] kormoc: rav3r, kk
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: What do you mean?
[19:44:00] GreyFoxx: Like Expired LiveTV making it in there ?
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[19:44:00] metalac: since i'm on budget I figured get pvr500 and then later add hd-300 into the mix
[19:45:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, okay, an example. I have Family guy set to record. I had one epsode already recorded, so it didn't record the duplicate epsode, but it inserted into the oldrecorded table an entry for it, so now there's two entries in there for that specific epsode.
[19:45:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, but it didn't record it, just added that showing into the table
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: First I've heard of that one.
[19:46:00] rav3r: hey, it launched
[19:46:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, I have a query that will show any shows that have dups, mind running it for me?
[19:46:00] rav3r: so, should the card work now?
[19:47:00] kormoc: rav3r, hopefully! :)
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Sure
[19:47:00] rav3r: i switched the monitor to the card, and got nothing
[19:47:00] rav3r: where do i set it up?
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: I know I'll return at least some dups because of times I've intentionally recorded the same show
[19:47:00] rav3r: im going to be using the svideo out on it, but i don't have it connected yet
[19:47:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, SELECT title, subtitle, COUNT(starttime) AS cnt FROM oldrecorded WHERE subtitle IS NOT NULL AND subtitle != '' GROUP BY title, subtitle HAVING cnt > 1 ORDER BY cnt DESC;
[19:47:00] kavorka: just upgraded mythtv and mythweb to svn and now mythweb browser shows directory listing
[19:48:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, I have 136 epsodes with dups, and I beleive xris's is doing the same as mine
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[19:48:00] xris: kormoc: yeah, it definitely is
[19:48:00] kavorka: mythweb browser not showing the web pages
[19:49:00] xris: kavorka: mythweb is not a browser
[19:49:00] kavorka: mythweb is 8627 from jan 16
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: 196 here, many of which I remember recording multiple times though the vast majority I'm sure I didn't record more than once
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[19:50:00] kavorka: xris: sorry .. i mean my browser wont show the html pasges just mythweb directory listing
[19:50:00] kormoc: yeah, while doing my stats page, it was confusing me why every show was being shows as recorded that day, just cause of this
[19:50:00] xris: GreyFoxx: SELECT title, subtitle, COUNT(starttime) AS num, MAX(starttime) AS latest FROM oldrecorded WHERE subtitle IS NOT NULL AND subtitle != '' GROUP BY title, subtitle HAVING num > 1 ORDER BY latest;
[19:51:00] xris: kavorka: install php
[19:51:00] xris: kormoc: going to enter a bug and see who bites
[19:51:00] kormoc: kk, sounds good
[19:51:00] kavorka: xris: yes everything was installed and working ok with version 18.1
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: Ok, definately buggered up
[19:51:00] kavorka: xris: i just upgraded the mythtv and mythweb
[19:52:00] xris: kavorka: oh, svn... read the .htaccess file and the readme
[19:52:00] rav3r: where do i configure the card?
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: It's showing some from today which I certainly never recorded but showed up as dups from before
[19:52:00] xris: and make sure the ONLY php file in the directory is mythweb.php — some svn upgrades leave the old ones in place.
[19:52:00] kormoc: rav3r, the nvidia card?
[19:52:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, yeah
[19:52:00] Niteryder: anyone get a ATI wonder capture card to work correctly in myth system?
[19:53:00] rav3r: yea, the nvidia
[19:53:00] kormoc: rav3r, in the xorg.conf file, under the device section
[19:54:00] kormoc: rav3r, you can look at mine at kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf if you want
[19:54:00] rav3r: just want to check the monitor out to see if it is working, but eventually i will have svideo out of it
[19:54:00] kormoc: rav3r, all the settings are in the nvidia readme with the nvidia driver
[19:54:00] kavorka: xris: mythweb.php is the only php file and .htaccess has the db_server etc
[19:55:00] xris: kavorka: make sure you have mod_rewrite set up properly, like the .htaccess and readme say
[19:56:00] kavorka: will check again
[19:59:00] rav3r: where do i find the readme?
[20:00:00] kormoc: rav3r, look on nvidia's website
[20:00:00] rav3r: ok, thought i had it locally some where
[20:01:00] rav3r: thanks for all your help, you rock
[20:01:00] xris: kormoc: it's actually adding a new oldrecorded entry for every broadcast show.
[20:02:00] kormoc: xris, ooh? but only for ones with recording schedules?
[20:02:00] xris: kormoc: check for recstatus=-3
[20:03:00] kormoc: ooh? so this is a 'feature'?
[20:04:00] xris: no
[20:04:00] xris: well, yes
[20:05:00] xris: -3 means "recorded"
[20:05:00] xris: that way you can "never record" a show by putting it in oldrecorded, but it won't show up as actually having been recorded.
[20:05:00] kormoc: ahh, gotcha
[20:06:00] kormoc: but the adding of dups is still a bug?
[20:06:00] xris: I'd consider it, but someone obviously did it intentionally
[20:06:00] xris: I added a bug about it
[20:08:00] kormoc: much better stats
[20:12:00] xris: yeah
[20:13:00] juski: is there any way to see the episode number of a show without having to record it & see it in the recorded programs list?
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[20:14:00] juski: all the time I've been using mythtv I'd never noticed it until last night.. I looked in the program guide, show details, mythweb... couldn't find it. course it could just be I've bumped the 'subtitle' off my theme
[20:16:00] juski: nobody? I can live with it, I'm just curious about it
[20:17:00] xris: juski: episode number?
[20:17:00] xris: only thing we get that I know of is the episode ID, which is a big code to identify the show
[20:17:00] xris: mythweb svn shows it now
[20:18:00] juski: yeh like in my recorded shows list last night (before I deleted it), 'Invasion' had the episode of number x next to it
[20:19:00] kormoc: juski, might that be the subtitle?
[20:19:00] defaultro: question guys. if we guys subscribe to digital cable, are those programs sent in clear?
[20:19:00] juski: kormoc: I'm not sure now
[20:19:00] juski: defaultro: probably not
[20:19:00] kormoc: juski, check your db
[20:20:00] kormoc: juski, SELECT subtitle FROM oldrecorded WHERE title='Invasion';
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[20:21:00] defaultro: oh ok :(
[20:21:00] juski: ahhhh
[20:21:00] juski: some subtitles have it, others don't
[20:21:00] juski: duh
[20:22:00] defaultro: so i guess, I have to believe in the reality the currently, my comcast is not sending other HD in clear
[20:22:00] juski: "4/22 – Alpha male"
[20:22:00] juski: subtitle
[20:22:00] juski: sorted... thanks!
[20:22:00] kormoc: np
[20:23:00] juski: damn stoopid radiotimes inconsistent, essay writing...
[20:23:00] defaultro: so what's the route to record HD like TNT HD, Discovery HD
[20:23:00] juski: heh.. at least it's _free_
[20:23:00] juski: defaultro: you basically erm.. don't unless you're lucky enough for them to be in the clear and decodable by a tuner card
[20:24:00] defaultro: yep
[20:24:00] defaultro: i'm only seeing a couple of DTVs and all local HDs
[20:24:00] defaultro: :(
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[20:25:00] juski: I've seen HDTV and I'm not totally convinced it's worth all the expense. DVD looks pretty damn good to my eyes.. and all the DRM they're crippling HD with isn't making me any more keen
[20:25:00] jarango: How do I add an unlisted RSS feed to MythNews ?
[20:26:00] juski: utils/setup > setup > media settings > news
[20:26:00] jarango: juski: The feed I want is not listed
[20:27:00] rav3r: so, kormoc, you still around?
[20:27:00] ** juski scares his wife by using WOL to boot the livingroom frontend **
[20:27:00] defaultro: juski, you're not convinced as to how HD quality looks like?
[20:28:00] juski: I think it's 'good'.. better than SDTV, but I don't think it's worth shelling out £££££ for new gear
[20:28:00] jarango: juski: Does any one know how to add RSS feeds to mythnews ? Are they kept in mysql ? How do I add one ?
[20:29:00] defaultro: i can see major difference between a progressive dvd and an hd quality
[20:30:00] defaultro: progressive dvd is good though too
[20:30:00] juski: PAL DVD is pretty good.. I'm just saying I don't think it's worth spending loads of money on HDTV
[20:31:00] defaultro: k
[20:31:00] defaultro: wait for prices to go down
[20:31:00] juski: I could've sworn minimyth had mythnews
[20:31:00] defaultro: there's new technology better than plasma
[20:31:00] defaultro: oled but there is a better one now
[20:31:00] rav3r: seems startx worked because i did have driver "nvidia", now that i do startx doesn't work
[20:31:00] defaultro: couldn't remember who told me about it
[20:31:00] juski: yeh but.. when prices go down... there'll be the small issue that I can't record what I want & watch it when I want it, for no money like I do now
[20:32:00] juski: it's a big 'if' though
[20:32:00] defaultro: ok
[20:32:00] defaultro: most of the programs i watch in HD are in locals
[20:32:00] defaultro: card has been working great with myth
[20:33:00] defaultro: am planning to get a PVR so I can record analog
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[20:40:00] praet: hrmm
[20:40:00] praet: anyone up?
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[20:42:00] md10md: anybody here?
[20:44:00] praet: ya
[20:45:00] md10md: I'm having some problems with my mythtv DB
[20:45:00] md10md: I just updated php yesterday which fixed my mythweb problems but when I restarted the comp it won't open the frontend
[20:45:00] md10md: here's basically what it's saying
[20:45:00] md10md: Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 53:
[20:45:00] md10md: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[20:45:00] md10md: <hr>
[20:45:00] md10md:
[20:45:00] md10md: <hr>
[20:45:00] md10md: Fatal Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php, line 54:
[20:45:00] md10md: Can't connect to the database server. Did you use the correct settings in config/conf.php?The system administrator has been notified and the problem will be remedied shortly.
[20:45:00] md10md: that formatted horribly...
[20:46:00] md10md: 2006-01–25 15:43:27.060 Unable to connect to database!
[20:46:00] md10md: 2006-01–25 15:43:27.060 Driver error was [1/2002]:
[20:46:00] md10md: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[20:46:00] md10md: Database error was:
[20:46:00] md10md: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[20:46:00] praet: ive seen that before
[20:46:00] md10md: That's out of the console when I run mythfrontend over ssh
[20:46:00] md10md: any ideas how to fix it?
[20:47:00] praet: the db is working fine otherwise tho right?
[20:47:00] md10md: doing "/etc/init.d/mysql restart" (or start) won't run because of an error as well
[20:47:00] md10md: well nothing will work
[20:47:00] md10md: but it was fine yesterday
[20:47:00] praet: is mythfrontend working?
[20:47:00] md10md: it launches but asks for where the db is and what language
[20:47:00] md10md: basically looks like the first time you start up
[20:48:00] md10md: so no I can't get into mythfrontend
[20:48:00] praet: ok can you log into mysql at all?
[20:48:00] md10md: nope can't connect to the server
[20:48:00] md10md: through that socket above
[20:49:00] praet: mysql -u root mysql
[20:49:00] praet: from a terminal
[20:49:00] xpis: How do I set up translation of closed captioning information?
[20:49:00] md10md: yea nothing
[20:49:00] md10md: Error 2002: can't connect
[20:50:00] md10md: Jan 25 15:34:47 mythtv mysqld_safe[3914]: started
[20:50:00] md10md: Jan 25 15:34:47 mythtv mysqld[3917]: 060125 15:34:47 /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1'
[20:50:00] md10md: Jan 25 15:34:47 mythtv mysqld[3917]:
[20:50:00] md10md: Jan 25 15:34:47 mythtv mysqld_safe[3919]: ended
[20:50:00] md10md: Jan 25 15:34:53 mythtv /etc/init.d/mysql[3961]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in
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[20:51:00] md10md: I think I just flooded it a little
[20:51:00] praet: yep
[20:51:00] praet: ok
[20:52:00] md10md: did you get any of that
[20:52:00] praet: kill all mysql
[20:52:00] praet: ps -aux
[20:52:00] md10md: it's not even running
[20:53:00] md10md: it won't start
[20:53:00] praet: /sbin/service mysqld start
[20:54:00] md10md: no /sbin/service?
[20:54:00] praet: ack
[20:54:00] praet: how did you install mysql?
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[20:54:00] md10md: heh, well it was on there when i got knoppmyth
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[20:54:00] md10md: I know it's the cheap way
[20:54:00] md10md: but...
[20:54:00] praet: oh this is knopp
[20:54:00] md10md: hmm...
[20:55:00] md10md: I'm in the sbin folder and don't see a service
[20:55:00] praet: /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[20:55:00] md10md: I always do /etc/init.d/mysql start|stop|restart to do things with it
[20:55:00] md10md: yea
[20:55:00] praet: /etc/init.d/mysql start
[20:56:00] FliesLikeALap: is there anything that can be done to get ATI all-in-wonder cards working? I've got 2 of them and nothing else right now
[20:56:00] md10md: takes a while and then crashes out with a failure and tells to look in the syslog
[20:56:00] praet: md10md: what does dmesg show
[20:57:00] md10md: nothing out of the ordinary afaik
[20:57:00] metalac: md10md: tail /var/log/messages
[20:58:00] md10md: nothing except bootup stuff
[20:58:00] md10md: nothing extraordinary
[20:58:00] md10md: I really think it has something to do with my update of php last night
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[20:59:00] metalac: php shouldn't mess with mysql
[20:59:00] md10md: hmmm well irc I updated php-mysql
[20:59:00] md10md: it just came up when I did apt-get install php
[21:00:00] praet: md10md: what about any recent qt3 updates?
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[21:00:00] md10md: not that i remember
[21:00:00] md10md: certainly not intentionally
[21:01:00] praet: if you dont mind hosing the databases you could reinstall mysql or just auto upgrade knopp
[21:02:00] md10md: ugg... well I wish I could make it workable for a while. I'm gonna update eventually with a total redo when myth .19 gets added into knoppmyth
[21:02:00] beavis: how long does it take to compile myth on an xbox?
[21:02:00] md10md: Most of the important stuffs been transcoded into xvid so far
[21:02:00] md10md: still have some 24's I'd wish I could get off
[21:03:00] Zeraw: u can complie mythtv on xbox 360 ????
[21:03:00] praet: md10md: you could pull the nuv files off the box i think
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[21:04:00] |Slupee|: whats up praet ;/
[21:04:00] md10md: yea but is there a way to transcode them with commercial breaks after I hose the DB
[21:04:00] praet: if you hose the database what you will lose is the pointers to thoses recordings, as well as all teh myth settings (including scheduled recordings etc)
[21:04:00] |Slupee|: i took a break from mythtv for a few weeks :(
[21:04:00] md10md: well it is an eventuality
[21:04:00] md10md: I might as well do it sooner or later
[21:04:00] md10md: gives me a reason to update
[21:04:00] praet: md10md: nope. unless you can get a backup of the db
[21:05:00] md10md: any way of doing that if mysql's messed?
[21:05:00] praet: looking it up
[21:05:00] md10md: k thanks
[21:05:00] xris: md10md: you can re-import things and then re-scan for commercials.. you'll just lose title/subtitle/etc
[21:05:00] md10md: xris: how do you do that?
[21:06:00] praet: mysqldump i think would do it
[21:06:00] metalac: md10md: i doubt you need to "hose" the database, just back it up and reinstall mysql, then reload the database back into mysql
[21:06:00] md10md: metalac: that sounds preferable
[21:06:00] kormoc: why even do that, it should work fine after it's reinstalled if it's the same version
[21:06:00] xris: md10md: mythrebuilddatabase.pl in contrib (or something like that, I keep forgetting the name)
[21:06:00] md10md: what do you mean kormoc
[21:07:00] md10md: but if mysql isn't working?
[21:07:00] metalac: kormoc: true that, but he should backup just in case
[21:07:00] kormoc: if you're just reinstalling the same version, the db will stay the same
[21:07:00] md10md: mysqldump won't work because it can't connect to mysql
[21:07:00] kormoc: sure, copy it out of /var/lib/mysql, but once you reinstall, it should work without anything extra
[21:08:00] Chutt: xris, you see the comments on that ticket?
[21:08:00] md10md: so what should I do exactly. Copy everything from /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg to another folder. Reinstall mysql and then put the folder back in?
[21:08:00] md10md: is that it?
[21:08:00] xris: heh. mythbox at work needs help. has 212 packges to upgrade.
[21:08:00] xris: Chutt: haven't look. will in a sec.
[21:08:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris, for that "available free space" question, look at libs/libmythtv/remoteutil.cpp or programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp for the response to the QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST backend query. it's a list of hostnames along with their total and used disk space for each backend.
[21:09:00] Chutt: ah, and anyways, Captain_Murdoch is the person to fix it =)
[21:09:00] praet: md10md: also, make sure the lock file is in the right place
[21:09:00] md10md: where would that be
[21:09:00] praet: md10md: mysqld.sock
[21:09:00] praet: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[21:09:00] praet: heh
[21:10:00] md10md: see that could be a problem. It doesn't exist....
[21:10:00] md10md: It's been referencing that in errors for a while
[21:10:00] praet: if its not there, make a ln -s
[21:10:00] md10md: could that be the root of the problem?
[21:10:00] praet: yeah
[21:10:00] md10md: hmmm, so what could I do about it if anything?
[21:11:00] praet: check the permissions of the /var/run/mysqld/
[21:11:00] mik3: md10md, http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?10,38113,39825
[21:12:00] md10md: ooo nice
[21:12:00] md10md: I saw that error
[21:12:00] praet: if is owned by root then you could chown it to the right user
[21:12:00] md10md: 1 sec let me try
[21:12:00] md10md: wait where is that my.conf
[21:13:00] mik3: /etc/my.cnf?
[21:13:00] xris: Captain_Murdoch: will dig into that tonight, then.
[21:15:00] md10md: Yes!
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[21:15:00] md10md: it started and checking for crashed tables in the background now
[21:15:00] miketay: Hey does anyone know when version 0.19 will be released?
[21:15:00] md10md: awesome!! It's all working now
[21:15:00] praet: nice one mik3
[21:15:00] md10md: score thanks alot guys!
[21:15:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris: you could calculate the "available" space by adding up the LiveTV recordings' sizes, but we should probably modify QUERY_FREE_SPACE and QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST to return also return the "space that would be free if we expired everything on this backend that can autoexpire" number.
[21:15:00] kormoc: miketay, weekish to so was the last heard bout time
[21:16:00] metalac: how many hours of Mpeg2 could i fit on 250gb?
[21:16:00] md10md: OK, I'm out.Thanks for all the help.
[21:16:00] xris: yeah, which is why I submitted the ticket.. easier to have the backend do it, esp. for use on status pages that may not want to query all of the recordings and do the math
[21:16:00] kormoc: metalac, that's not really a valid question, as it depends on bitrate and all that
[21:17:00] xris: Chutt: were you talking about Captain_Murdoch's thing, or my "oldrecorded" ticket?
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[21:17:00] Chutt: the space thing
[21:17:00] metalac: kormoc: well i mean some standard stuff used for daily TV (640x480)
[21:17:00] Captain_Murdoch: you can do your own sql to get the livetv space. for each backend in the QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST list, just do a "select sum(filesize) from recorded where hostname = 'thisbackendhostname';"
[21:18:00] Captain_Murdoch: sorry, add in a "and autoexpire > 0" in there. :)
[21:18:00] xris: except that we'
[21:18:00] kormoc: metalac, at 2200 bitrate, you get a gig a hour, so 250 hours. I used to record at 600 megs a hour, so that would get 425 hours
[21:18:00] xris: we're soon moving away from direct SQL access for frontends.
[21:18:00] metalac: kormoc: ok that sounds good, thnx
[21:18:00] xris: but that's not a bad idea
[21:19:00] Captain_Murdoch: for now it will get you working. I doubt that QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST will be modified before 0.19.
[21:19:00] miketay: xris: What do you mean you're moving away from direct SQL access? Will the frontends just connect to the backends, and the backends will handle the queries?
[21:19:00] kormoc: that's the idea
[21:19:00] Chutt: no
[21:19:00] metalac: oh can somebody tell me what LiveTV is?
[21:19:00] Captain_Murdoch: and frontends will always do direct sql, it's built-in to things like programinfo
[21:19:00] kormoc: Chutt, ooh?
[21:19:00] xris: Chutt: thought that was one of the hopes for the future
[21:19:00] kormoc: metalac, it's tv, that is live
[21:19:00] Chutt: for some things, sure
[21:19:00] Chutt: but not for everything
[21:20:00] xris: so what happens when you move to sqlite?
[21:20:00] Chutt: nothing =)
[21:20:00] metalac: kormoc: ahahahahaahah
[21:20:00] kormoc: I sortof figured you'd have a backend query to do a raw query
[21:20:00] xris: without direct access to the files, the backend will need to handle all db interaction
[21:20:00] Chutt: nope
[21:20:00] Chutt: backend won't access them either
[21:20:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[21:20:00] Chutt: going to do another app for that
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[21:21:00] xris: ahh... but the same effect.,.. no more querying the db directly.
[21:21:00] Chutt: not really
[21:21:00] Chutt: i'm not going to make the normal frontend's db access go away
[21:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: xris, if you want to assign that space ticket to me for post 0.19, go ahead. I gotta run. I could have used that for the mythfrontend status page so I wouldn't have to calculate it myself and the 'Delete Recordings' page could use it as well to show true usable space not just free space.
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[21:22:00] xris: Captain_Murdoch: what's your login? (I'm afraid I'll misspell)
[21:22:00] Captain_Murdoch: cpinkham
[21:23:00] Captain_Murdoch: bbl (maybe)
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[21:23:00] xris: ok. just wanted to make sure there was an h in ther.e
[21:23:00] Chutt: xris, you can always mail the developer's list for questions instead of opening tickets :p
[21:24:00] kormoc: Chutt, I sorta buged him bout it, so it was partly my fault :P
[21:24:00] Chutt: trac really isn't meant for conversations
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[21:24:00] xris: Chutt: true. but I consider it a bug.
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[21:25:00] Chutt: it wasn't worded as such
[21:25:00] xris: if there's no good reason for doing it, it's a bug.
[21:26:00] xris: ok, just clarified.
[21:26:00] beavis: bjm is quite rough today ;)
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[21:26:00] xris: but yes, he is.
[21:27:00] xris: was reading some of his comments in other tickets.
[21:27:00] Chutt: people reopening crap is really annoying.
[21:27:00] xris: Chutt: can be, yes.
[21:27:00] xris: trac needs a "force this issue closed" thing that'll prevent non-permissioned users from reopening tickets.
[21:28:00] Chutt: or just a way to lock tickets.
[21:28:00] xris: yeah
[21:28:00] xris: or a real auth mechanism
[21:29:00] xris: dunno why you guys don't like using it for feature requests, though.
[21:29:00] Chutt: because then you have to wade through tons of crap you have absolutely no intention of working on, ever.
[21:29:00] xris: though the clutter doesn't bother me too much... I only look at the stuff I get assigned. heh
[21:29:00] |Slupee|: exit
[21:29:00] Chutt: yeah, you only get assigned mythweb stuff
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[21:30:00] xris: I have a "role" user I use at work for stuff like that.
[21:30:00] Chutt: i get _everything_ :p
[21:30:00] Chutt: and i go through everyone else's bugs as well
[21:30:00] Chutt: i just think a bug tracking system should only trac bugs.
[21:30:00] Chutt: :
[21:30:00] Chutt: err, :p
[21:30:00] xris: haha
[21:30:00] Chutt: pun intended, there
[21:30:00] Chutt: well, bugs or things that are _going_ to be worked on.
[21:31:00] kormoc: Well, it would make sense to have a record of rejected feature requests so dups don't get submitted, but then I guess most people don't search before posting.
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[21:32:00] Chutt: that's why there's the feature request page on the wiki
[21:32:00] Ediehow: juski: :(
[21:32:00] Chutt: people can add stuff there as much as they want
[21:32:00] juski: oo got a new 'American Dad' to watch
[21:32:00] Chutt: and i can just ignore it =)
[21:32:00] kormoc: heh, fair nuff
[21:32:00] Ediehow: clicking forward to another page in forefox juts audio/video
[21:32:00] Ediehow: for mythtv
[21:32:00] Ediehow: is there something else besides enable extra audio buffering that need be done?
[21:32:00] xris: Chutt: just means another place I'd have to check. heh.
[21:32:00] juski: Ediehow: if I were you I'd give up trying to multitask & save up for another box
[21:33:00] kormoc: Chutt, speaking of the wiki, I was wondering if there was a specific reason there isn't a general troubleshooting section?
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[21:33:00] xris: should modify the add-ticket page to tell people to ONLY submit "enhancement" tickets if they're accompanied by a patch to make them happen.
[21:33:00] Ediehow: juski: well, i got the sandra output, anything i'd be looking for?
[21:33:00] kormoc: Ediehow, what videocard?
[21:33:00] Chutt: xris, i thought that's there already
[21:33:00] Chutt: yes, it is
[21:33:00] Chutt: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo
[21:34:00] Chutt:
[21:34:00] Chutt: That this is really a bug, and not a feature request. Feature requests go in either the old wiki or the new wiki.
[21:34:00] Chutt: :p
[21:34:00] Ediehow: kormoc: now i have geforce 6200
[21:34:00] xris: Chutt: I'd have made it bold with a border around it...
[21:34:00] kormoc: Ediehow, kk. Just wondering.
[21:34:00] xris: I completely overlooked that note
[21:34:00] Ediehow: maybe xvmc will help
[21:34:00] Ediehow: but i can't get it working
[21:35:00] Ediehow: hoping that will change with xorg 7
[21:35:00] Chutt: the link to the 'tickethowto'?
[21:35:00] sphery: xris: Re: #1115, see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/6896
[21:35:00] sphery: Sent an e-mail response to your ticket
[21:36:00] Chutt: ah, right
[21:36:00] Chutt: xris, that's why :p
[21:36:00] xris: kormoc: ^^^^^^
[21:36:00] xris: sphery: thx
[21:36:00] Ediehow: kormoc: any ideas?:)
[21:36:00] ** kormoc peers **
[21:36:00] kormoc: Ediehow, not really, nope
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[21:37:00] Ediehow: kormoc: r u familiar with sandra?
[21:37:00] Ediehow: hey for everyone
[21:37:00] Ediehow: here's some advice
[21:37:00] xris: and the " Uninteresting entries are deleted automatically after 60 days. " solves my "clutter" issues with the feature
[21:37:00] Ediehow: avoid viaforums.com at all costs
[21:37:00] kormoc: yeah
[21:37:00] Chutt: so, close the ticket :p
[21:37:00] Chutt: hrm
[21:37:00] Chutt: getting random 'database is locked' still
[21:37:00] kormoc: xris, and I can throw up stats for the most replayed epsodes in the last 60 days! :P
[21:37:00] Chutt: though it seems to last shorter than it did with sqlite 2
[21:37:00] xris: hahaha
[21:37:00] sphery: xris: np
[21:38:00] sphery: sorry it took so long to find
[21:38:00] xris: Chutt: it's closed.. with a link to the commit
[21:38:00] xris: np.
[21:38:00] sphery: Remembered the message in commits, but couldn't remember what to search on...
[21:38:00] sphery: :)
[21:38:00] kormoc: sphery, thanks as well
[21:38:00] xris: hopefully my brain will be more awake next time and I'll just email the developers list
[21:38:00] xris: javascript is bad for the brain.
[21:40:00] sphery: xris: new default for CleanOldRecorded is 7 days, per http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/8715
[21:40:00] xris: any local seattle people interested in a coolermaster htpc case for $40? (digging up a pic now)
[21:41:00] Chutt: yay, work done
[21:41:00] Chutt: time to go buy a tile wet saw
[21:42:00] xris: heh. home improvement time?
[21:42:00] ** xris needs to plan redoing the office **
[21:42:00] Chutt: tiling behind the stove/above the backspash is the last thing left in our kitchen remodel
[21:42:00] Chutt: well, and hoping the microwave still fits when there's tile there
[21:44:00] xris: cool
[21:44:00] xris: kitchen remodel is too expensive for us.
[21:45:00] xris: so will live with the odd-layout kitchen and just get a better one when we move in a few years
[21:45:00] metalac: xris: do you have a pic of it?
[21:45:00] Chutt: this wasn't that bad
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[21:45:00] Chutt: did everything but install the countertops ourselves
[21:46:00] xris: Chutt: I need new cabinets, extend the kitchen floor into a hallway (used to be the old dining room but it's now a hallway to an addition that was added in the 70's)
[21:46:00] Chutt: got new cabinets, new countertop, new plumbing, new flooring, etc :p
[21:46:00] xris: new counters, possibly a skylight, new oven/stove, dishwasher, washer, dryer.
[21:47:00] Chutt: didn't replace the major appliances, though, since the fridge + dishwasher are relatively new
[21:47:00] Krazylegz: I have a new washing machine and dryer coming today!
[21:47:00] metalac: i just removed popcorn ceiling in my place :)
[21:47:00] xris: my plumbing is thanfully more than up to date (top of the line aquapex pipes throughout the whole house)
[21:47:00] metalac: what a pain in the ass
[21:47:00] Krazylegz: Sure beats not having them at all.
[21:47:00] xris: fridge is brand new (the one that came with the house was from the 70's)
[21:47:00] xris: metalac: I have to do that in my tv room
[21:48:00] metalac: xris: make sure it's not asbestos
[21:48:00] miketay: I was looking at the bugs left for the 0.19 release on http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap and there are only minor things left. Will those be fixed before release, or is it not necessary?
[21:48:00] Chutt: maybe, maybe not.
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[21:49:00] xris: metalac: yeah, that's why I haven't touched it.
[21:49:00] xris: 50/50 chance it is.
[21:49:00] metalac: yeah i live in a condo
[21:49:00] metalac: so some neighbors had it tested and they said it's not, so i was cool with mine
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[21:52:00] juski: so I thought I had a new amercican dad episode to watch, but the fucking snooker over-ran by 3 days or something
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[21:53:00] itsmeeh: must go today 1 alienware area51-m 5700 laptop price 650 includes shipping, carry case. message me on mcsltd@telusmail.net on msn or on mikcomputing on aim
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[21:54:00] Chutt: didn't i ban him before already?
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[21:54:00] kormoc: Chutt, yes, you did
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[21:56:00] sPiN: i hope his junk falls off
[21:57:00] kormoc: I offered him $1 and he pay shipping for his computers the other day. He ignored me. How can you make money by ignoring the customers?
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[21:58:00] juski: lol
[21:58:00] arnbak: Does anyone know why I cant get subtitles to work from within mythdvd with xine, works perfektly just running xine outside mythtv ?
[21:59:00] juski: arnbak: wrong command line option?
[22:00:00] dtm: kormoc: you can't. you just can't.
[22:00:00] dtm: kormoc: durn whippersnappin kids these days
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[22:05:00] arnbak: juski, hmm seems to be it, it wont work when using this execution line "xine -A alsa -V xxmc -pfq --no-gui --no-logo dvd://"
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[22:08:00] arnbak: hmm
[22:08:00] arnbak: it works without the xxmc option
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[22:11:00] juski: bah... already got a reply... "we realise this can be annoying but there is little or nothing we can do about it..."... yeh well I could just not pay my TV licence fee... grrr
[22:12:00] juski: or pay more so they don't let 'sport' like snooker on TV
[22:12:00] arnbak: :|
[22:12:00] toma_: is there any current activity in the mythphone part?
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[22:24:00] atix: hi
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[22:29:00] johnp_: GreyFoxx: around ?
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[22:46:00] toma_: Any way of seeing some debug output of mythphone?
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[22:55:00] atix: is it possible to use the ivtv video passthrough mode for livetv?
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[22:56:00] atix: i mean the ivtvctl -K option
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[23:02:00] scottder: I saw talk of 0.19 on the mailing lists....what's new and cool in the next release?
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[23:12:00] o_cee: scottder, alot.
[23:12:00] o_cee: anyone running fanless via's as frontends?
[23:12:00] o_cee: botting via CF and so on..
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[23:43:00] NotLarry: Ok, I need to rerun the setup program for mythtv, what is it?
[23:44:00] kormoc: mythtv-setup perhaps?
[23:45:00] NotLarry: Guess I need to be in x to run it:)
[23:48:00] xris: NotLarry: works fine over x-forwarding
[23:48:00] xris: slow, but works
[23:50:00] Krazylegz: MythTV Commercial Flagger. Sounds too professional. How about MythTV Personal Advertisement Flagger?
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[23:57:00] NotLarry: no network on the myth box yet:(
[23:57:00] ** kormoc blinks at Krazylegz **
[23:57:00] mishehu: MythTV Personal Annoyance Remover and Attention Saver
[23:58:00] NotLarry: Got an amd chip, 512 ram, 120g drive, a usb and a pci capture card
[23:59:00] xris: network is somewhat necessary for myth
[23:59:00] xpis: What color packing mode is used by default in myth? And can this be changed?
[23:59:00] xpis: (for framegrabbers, of course)

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