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Tuesday, January 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] benh: agrh... altivec gcc on crack again or what
[00:00:00] benh: that wouldn't surprise me
[00:00:00] ** juski wonders if Milkdrop visualisations have ever been done in Linux **
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[00:01:00] juski: oh, that'd be projectM
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[00:07:00] benh: wtf
[00:07:00] benh: config.h defines CONFIG_DARWIN and the codes that ends up being assembled is the !defined(CONFIG_DARWIN) case
[00:07:00] benh: gcc is on total crack or what
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[00:11:00] benh: ahhh fixed it
[00:11:00] benh: it's a bug in the cpu_accel.c in svn
[00:11:00] benh: not in trunk tho... interesting
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[00:14:00] Ediehow: kormoc:
[00:14:00] Ediehow: help
[00:14:00] Ediehow: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?c . . . ;STARTPAGE=1
[00:14:00] Ediehow: DUMB
[00:15:00] benh: hehe
[00:16:00] juski: lesson to be learnt there
[00:16:00] Ediehow: juski: ?
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[00:16:00] juski: don't ask questions on a ricer forum
[00:16:00] Ediehow: ricer?
[00:16:00] juski: PCs with go faster stripes
[00:17:00] Ediehow: i am confused what u r saying
[00:17:00] Ediehow: you mean a naive view?
[00:17:00] juski: kind of
[00:17:00] Ediehow: k
[00:18:00] juski: on your last board which was apparently okay, did it have the same graphics card?
[00:18:00] dtm: is this fatal? http://rafb.net/paste/results/EIefUJ18.html
[00:18:00] Ediehow: no, but i've had 2 on this one
[00:18:00] dtm: i got that error on one of the queries of mythfilldatabase but not any of the others.
[00:20:00] juski: Ediehow: so on a 1ghz system you could multitask okay  – but on the current motherboard you can't?
[00:20:00] Ediehow: it's been a few years, but i believe so. like, when i multitask much now, wiht myth, i get this
[00:21:00] juski: believing so doesn't make it true
[00:21:00] Ediehow: juski: yeah, do you remember everything from 3 years ago?:)
[00:21:00] Ediehow: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2360
[00:21:00] juski: there _are_ issues with some via chipset boards – that much is obvious
[00:21:00] Ediehow: yeah, that's what i've heard
[00:22:00] juski: and compaq aren't renowned for their quality of desktop machines these days
[00:23:00] Ediehow: juski: r u familiar with that error?
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[00:23:00] juski: looks like your system ran out of steam
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[00:23:00] Ediehow: that's what happens when i do some multitasking
[00:23:00] juski: short of memory bandwidth, maybe
[00:23:00] Ediehow: and the video is "held"
[00:23:00] dtm: my mythfilldatabase has apparently halted
[00:24:00] dtm: INSERT IGNORE INTO programgenres (chanid, starttime, relevance, genre) SELECT chanid, starttime, relevance, class FROM dd_v_program, dd_genre WHERE (dd_v_program.programid = dd_genre.programid); <---- this mysteriously failed
[00:24:00] dtm: i suppose if i kill it, it'll startt over
[00:25:00] Ediehow: juski: how do you mean about mem bandwidth?
[00:26:00] juski: dtm: which version of QT & mysql ?
[00:26:00] juski: Ediehow: maybe your motherboard can't get stuff into and out of memory quick enough
[00:26:00] Ediehow: juski: can i "test" that?
[00:26:00] dtm: juski: qt 3.1.1, mysql 3.23.54
[00:26:00] juski: yeh.. dunno about linux utils but sysoft sandra is good
[00:27:00] Ediehow: juski: i should tryu sysoft sandra?
[00:27:00] juski: dtm: that error you pasted seems to say you could do with a newer version of qt
[00:27:00] Ediehow: sisoft sandra
[00:27:00] lightx: in 18.1 I got some previously recorded show that dont want to be deleted from the list but they arent on the drive, how can i remove them from the list of recorded shows?
[00:27:00] dtm: juski: yes at least for debugging but i dont know about for functionality.
[00:27:00] juski: Ediehow: yeah, benchmark your system – then search around to see what results you _should_ get for a system of your spec
[00:28:00] juski: lightx: look in the log for the filename of missing files, then make dummy files
[00:28:00] juski: the files can be 0 byte size but have to be the right filename
[00:28:00] Ediehow: i can use the lite version?
[00:28:00] juski: Ediehow: yup
[00:28:00] lightx: juski, thanks.
[00:28:00] juski: it's dead good for memory testing & all sorts
[00:28:00] Ediehow: k
[00:28:00] Ediehow: cuz i ran memtest the other day
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[00:29:00] juski: so erm... you've got a 2ghz cpu, so the bus speed is what .. 266mhz? what RAM are you using?
[00:29:00] bryan03: Hey everybody
[00:29:00] juski: hey bryan
[00:29:00] Ediehow: well, now i have a 512mb chip and a 256chip. the 512 is 2300 or something
[00:29:00] Ediehow: it's new
[00:30:00] Ediehow: i had bought it for an athlon 64
[00:30:00] juski: well your memory will only operate at the speed of the slowest stick
[00:30:00] Ediehow: how can i determine?
[00:30:00] juski: try it without the older 256 stick... you should know how fast it is, or it might have markings on for you to look up
[00:31:00] Ediehow: there's no way to determine it via software?
[00:31:00] Ediehow: the 256?
[00:31:00] juski: I can never remember what speed all my memory is, but I know I always buy the cheapest
[00:31:00] Ediehow: me too;)
[00:31:00] juski: maybe sandra will be able to read it
[00:31:00] juski: I don't usually need to get 2% speed increase, so it's not worth the extra ££ IMHO
[00:32:00] Ediehow: i am pretty sure it's a ddr 266mhz
[00:32:00] bryan03: Has anyone tried re-encoding .nuv files with The Cleaner on OSX?
[00:32:00] Ediehow: the one i took out to place my 512 in one was
[00:32:00] Ediehow: ddr 256
[00:32:00] juski: and the new one will be running at the speed of the old one
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[00:33:00] juski: try it with only 512MB in... if it's faster than the 256 stick you might see an improvement
[00:33:00] Ediehow: k
[00:33:00] bryan03: I'm going to try scp'ing the .nuv files to my Quad G5 machine, then encode them and send them back to the myth box... sound doable?
[00:34:00] juski: bryan03: what capture card(s) are you using?
[00:34:00] bryan03: Hauppauge 500
[00:34:00] juski: if they're mpeg2 it should be doable
[00:35:00] juski: why not just transcode them where they are though? On my 2ghz athlon I get almost 50fps encode rate
[00:35:00] Ediehow: bryan03 has 2ghz athlon too?:)
[00:35:00] bryan03: my myth box is much slower than that :)
[00:36:00] bryan03: 1.3ghz, 1 gb ram, 40 gig hdd... all of my power is in the G5 machine
[00:36:00] bryan03: It records and watches TV just fine, but for the heavy lifting....
[00:36:00] juski: you might have problems getting them to play in myth when you transfer them back... any change in filename (possibly in the modified dates too) could screw things up
[00:37:00] juski: unless you dump them into mythvideo
[00:37:00] juski: see mythlink (google for it) – it renames recordings to friendly names
[00:37:00] bryan03: okay, cool
[00:37:00] juski: copy them, then transcode... then put them back into your mythvideo directory
[00:37:00] Ediehow: juski: do you use mythlink?
[00:37:00] juski: occasionally
[00:38:00] Ediehow: is it automatic?
[00:38:00] wylie: a thought for the moment: it would be nice if movies in mythmovie showed up in the standard playlist as a group.
[00:38:00] bryan03: will it keep the cutlists?
[00:38:00] juski: no it won't keep the cutlists
[00:38:00] juski: wylie: looking forward to your patch already ;)
[00:38:00] bryan03: ok. that's not a big problem
[00:38:00] wylie: :)
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[00:39:00] benh: btw
[00:39:00] juski: wtf? someone's made a mythtv usenet group.. :-/
[00:39:00] benh: is 18-fixes branch supposed to build at all :?
[00:39:00] juski: yup
[00:40:00] benh: looks like galleryutil.cpp has a compiler error at least
[00:40:00] juski: try using SVN instead
[00:40:00] benh: too few args to function exif_entry_get_value() in getNatruralRotation
[00:40:00] juski: it's stable enough for most
[00:40:00] benh: juski: this is SVN checkout
[00:40:00] benh: juski: of -18-fixes branch
[00:40:00] juski: go for trunk insteadI mean
[00:40:00] benh: oh you mean using trunk
[00:40:00] benh: hrm... ok
[00:41:00] benh: well, it would still be nice I suppose to fix the branch :) I'll have a look
[00:41:00] juski: won't be that long til 0.19 is out
[00:41:00] benh: ok
[00:41:00] juski: so if there's anything wrong with the fixes branch it's unlikely to get fixed now I'd have thought
[00:41:00] benh: turnk builds
[00:41:00] benh: ok
[00:41:00] redline-: guys ot: I want to connect to my home via ssh but work has port 22 blocked does anyone know of a way to bypass that?
[00:43:00] benh: somebody nows a good IR remote that works in OS X ? I don't feel like fixing the new dvico _and_ porting it to os x :)
[00:43:00] SteveWrightNZ: redline-: run sshd on port 80
[00:43:00] juski: or find another port ;)
[00:43:00] benh: besides, I wouldn't know how to muck with the HID device in OS X anyay
[00:43:00] juski: anyway it's best you don't have port 22 open to the outside world
[00:43:00] benh: heh, work blocking ssh, how fun ")
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[00:44:00] benh: they are afraid you might do something _secure_ ? :)
[00:44:00] Ediehow: well
[00:44:00] SteveWrightNZ: btw, you should not hack around your works' policy
[00:44:00] Ediehow: the problem is
[00:44:00] Ediehow: they may not be blocking just ssh port 22
[00:44:00] Ediehow: they may be blocking ssh period
[00:44:00] Ediehow: and i had that happen
[00:44:00] Ediehow: i had to figure out another way around it
[00:45:00] juski: where I work they block .exe, .zip files... but not .rar or any of the linux formats. Last time I looked there were probably more nasties in rar files than anything else :-/
[00:45:00] redline-: yea they block everything at work
[00:45:00] Ediehow: the reason some workplaces prevent ssh is because it can do vpn thingies
[00:45:00] Ediehow: or similar
[00:45:00] juski: and I know of 2 ports they _can't_ block where I work ;)
[00:45:00] benh: yeas
[00:45:00] benh: well
[00:45:00] redline-: exe zips, message boards, game sites etc...
[00:45:00] Ediehow: redline-: i wouldn't be surprised if you run it on another port if you still can't do it
[00:45:00] benh: they should burn people brain on entry
[00:45:00] juski: so I use them.. and thankfully the firewall doesn't check the protocol
[00:45:00] benh: to make sure they don't do something bad ... like thinking
[00:45:00] Ediehow: have you guys tried freenx?
[00:45:00] Ediehow: amazing
[00:45:00] benh: change work
[00:46:00] benh: I would be sick to work for morons like that
[00:46:00] redline-: i got a script from a guy at work that says you can do it
[00:46:00] juski: easier said than done
[00:46:00] redline-: i cant figure it out though
[00:46:00] juski: I'm looking for a new job right now.. where I am – the company is moving 30 miles away
[00:46:00] Ediehow: benh: a LOT Of places do that
[00:46:00] Ediehow: redline-: you will probably have to do http proxy for ssh
[00:47:00] Ediehow: that's what i had to do
[00:47:00] Bob-Laptop: Does anyone know if a palm handheld could be used with the PVR-150's IR reciever?
[00:47:00] redline-: yea they want oyu to setup squid i think on your home server
[00:48:00] Ediehow: i didn't have to do that
[00:48:00] Ediehow: all i had to do was run sshd on port 443 on home
[00:48:00] Ediehow: and use http proxy w/putty.exe
[00:48:00] redline-: it seems all the admins do it so I am not worried about getting caught
[00:48:00] benh: Ediehow: sure, they are a lot of fascists around
[00:48:00] dtm: you could do a shell via http, one command at a time
[00:48:00] benh: anyway, OT
[00:48:00] dtm: you can do that via webmin
[00:48:00] redline-: so i setup the proxy on the putty machine?
[00:48:00] dtm: if they have a layer7 filter
[00:49:00] benh: one day ppl will understand that there is little difference between current work practices and slavery
[00:49:00] benh: maybe the day they stop watchign TV ... :)
[00:49:00] benh: oops :)
[00:49:00] Ediehow: redline-: you don't need to do any of that stuff
[00:49:00] Ediehow: all you need is remote machine running sshd on port 443
[00:49:00] Ediehow: and putty has built in http proxy support
[00:49:00] redline-: hmm
[00:49:00] Ediehow: it was something like that. it's been a few years
[00:49:00] Ediehow: but that's how i got it working
[00:50:00] Ediehow: my work order was not renewed shortly afterwards;)
[00:50:00] Ediehow: for playing on the internet too much;)_
[00:50:00] redline-: there is a way to set my IE proxy to use localhost via the ssh connection also
[00:50:00] dtm: Ediehow: putty can work directly via http?
[00:50:00] Ediehow: yes
[00:50:00] Ediehow: look at the proxy portion
[00:51:00] Ediehow: putty is great
[00:52:00] Ediehow: you can also use php shell
[00:52:00] Ediehow: haha
[00:52:00] Ediehow: but it's pretty limited
[00:53:00] Ediehow: i'm glad they fixed the skype hack to allow two dsps again
[00:54:00] redline-: thanks for the info now for me to vpn into work and test it froma remote desktop =p
[00:54:00] Ediehow: hey
[00:54:00] Ediehow: if you can get it working
[00:54:00] Ediehow: try freenx
[00:54:00] Ediehow: they have a win client
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[00:55:00] redline-: i will
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[01:06:00] ** juski is installing freenx now **
[01:06:00] Ediehow: brb
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[01:07:00] dtm: i was astounded to discover that freenx can act as a vnc accelerator for windows vnc servers
[01:08:00] dtm: if you're on a low end link
[01:08:00] dtm: apparently.
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[01:21:00] nasa: Hi, I am trying to map my remote control. I was wondering if there is a site that list all the codes that can be used. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 seems to help, but it doesn't list keys F2-F8..
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[01:23:00] kormoc: maybe because f2-f8 are unused?
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[01:24:00] nasa: Searching on the net has shown some people using those keys, but I'm not sure if they are outdated.
[01:24:00] nasa: for example http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3194&
[01:26:00] benh: is there a "cleaned up" version of the kernel DVB headers to use or are the ones in current -git good enough ?
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[01:28:00] Esuirin: juski, what tests do i do for sandra?
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[01:40:00] angryelf: hey all, I'm still having problems fast forwarding through recordings (but not on live TV or shows that are currently being recorded)
[01:41:00] angryelf: can anybody help me track down what might be going on?
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[01:41:00] Ediehow: what happens?
[01:41:00] angryelf: FF or RWD takes longer than it should, on short jumps the screen gets all pixilated
[01:41:00] Ediehow: you just hit "right?"
[01:41:00] angryelf: on long jumps it can take a very long time 15–20 seconds
[01:41:00] angryelf: yes
[01:41:00] angryelf: or down for jumping
[01:42:00] Ediehow: did you try running from console and seeing what it spits out?
[01:42:00] angryelf: but jumping back and RWD also cause the same problems
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: hi all
[01:42:00] Ediehow: hahah EnterServerName
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: Why does the PCM volume keep going down to zero
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: when i fast forward the video
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: or change channels?
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: is there anyway to fix it?
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: or did they fix it with the latest cvs?
[01:42:00] Ediehow: are you using alsa in mythsetup?
[01:42:00] Ediehow: myth setup
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: I dunno
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: i guess
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: my sound is working
[01:42:00] EnterServerName: why?
[01:43:00] EnterServerName: does it matter
[01:43:00] Ediehow: it would be obvious if it's set to use alsa in there. i don';t know, it just may fix it, but i am not sure.
[01:43:00] EnterServerName: ok ill check
[01:44:00] angryelf: Ediehow, i get "first frame is no keyframe" evertime i try to FF
[01:44:00] Ediehow: try googling for that
[01:45:00] angryelf: k, but i'll have to dig through thounsands of cut'n'pasted outputs that are asking about other problems
[01:45:00] angryelf: i know it's not the recording
[01:45:00] angryelf: cause if i play it in mplayer or xine it FF/RWD fine
[01:45:00] Ediehow: have you tried mythtvtalk.com?
[01:46:00] Ediehow: that's where i get a lot of my issues resolved
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[01:50:00] EnterServerName: woo ho i fixed
[01:50:00] EnterServerName: it
[01:50:00] EnterServerName: it was ins ettings
[01:50:00] Ediehow: ?
[01:51:00] Ediehow: i remember when lilo used to talk
[01:51:00] xris: Ediehow: he's been in here chatting a few times
[01:52:00] Ediehow: oic
[01:52:00] xris: in fact, he's in the channel now.
[01:52:00] Ediehow: xris, would you like to read my 7mb sandra file?
[01:52:00] Ediehow: ;)
[01:52:00] Ediehow: just kidding
[01:52:00] Ediehow: did the CA results come in?
[01:53:00] xris: ?
[01:53:00] Ediehow: election
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[01:54:00] Ediehow: 'wowzers
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[01:55:00] xris: oh. not canadian (or californian).
[01:55:00] xris: gotta love that netsplit.
[01:56:00] kormoc: xris, not a netsplit, server went down for maintiance
[01:56:00] redline-: heh only 3700 users effected
[01:56:00] xris: kormoc: well, same difference in how it looks
[01:56:00] kormoc: fair nuff
[01:56:00] xris: (I actually thought a netsplit happened when a server went down, too)
[01:56:00] kormoc: nah, a netsplit is when two servers can't talk between them
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[01:57:00] kormoc: so no users actually get disconnected, but it looks that way to the people on the other server
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[02:00:00] angryelf: Ediehow, i win, i found the problem, but have no idea how to fix it
[02:00:00] angryelf: and couldn't find anything on that
[02:00:00] Ediehow: ?
[02:00:00] angryelf: ran mysqlcheck on the database
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[02:00:00] Ediehow: oh sql problem?
[02:00:00] angryelf: i have a "table is marked as crashed" for the recordedmarkup table
[02:00:00] Ediehow: on mythconverg?
[02:00:00] Ediehow: oh
[02:00:00] angryelf: yes
[02:00:00] Ediehow: and you dont know how to repair db?
[02:00:00] angryelf: no idea
[02:01:00] Ediehow: it is
[02:01:00] angryelf: and certainly not while 24 is recording
[02:01:00] angryelf: :)
[02:01:00] Ediehow: this can run while mysql is running
[02:01:00] angryelf: well i'd rather stop it, but is it hard
[02:01:00] Ediehow: no
[02:01:00] Ediehow: you don't need to
[02:01:00] Ediehow: i think it's mysqlcheck
[02:01:00] angryelf: that's what i ran to check it
[02:01:00] angryelf: does it fix it too?
[02:01:00] Ediehow: mysqlcheck -r -u mysql -p mythconverg
[02:01:00] Ediehow: and password is mysql
[02:01:00] Ediehow: err woops
[02:01:00] Ediehow: mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg
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[02:02:00] Ediehow: pw should be mythtv
[02:02:00] Ediehow: user/pass should be same, i think they are mythtv, but maybe myth
[02:03:00] kormoc: Ediehow, you can do it as mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[02:03:00] kormoc: as well
[02:03:00] xris: Ediehow: or use the optimize_mythdb script in contrib
[02:03:00] Ediehow: oh ok
[02:03:00] xris: scans user and password for you, and optimizes things while it's in there.
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[02:03:00] angryelf: ok, well i ran it
[02:03:00] angryelf: and now it's reporting no errors
[02:04:00] angryelf: however, should i assume that anything recorded up to this point will still have screwing FF/RWD problems?
[02:04:00] angryelf: *screwy
[02:04:00] Ediehow: ?
[02:04:00] angryelf: well fixing the table isn't going to make it re-markup each recording right?
[02:04:00] Ediehow: i'd be guessing
[02:04:00] angryelf: okay
[02:05:00] angryelf: cool, well we'll see
[02:05:00] angryelf: thanx
[02:05:00] Ediehow: i dont have an optimize_mythdb
[02:06:00] Ediehow: ah, had to google for script
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[02:08:00] angryelf: actuatlly, interestingly enough, if i start 24 (recording now) and hit FF it jumps to 2:14 then FF at the normal :30 intervals
[02:08:00] angryelf: so i must've run the repair at that moment, 2:14 into the show
[02:08:00] angryelf: now to find a way to have it re-markup old recordings that i want to keep around
[02:09:00] Ediehow: ah
[02:09:00] Ediehow: it's about chechnya
[02:15:00] benh: somebody from canberra ? (or elsewhere in .au ?)
[02:15:00] benh: is there some reliable channel program data source ?
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[02:21:00] hans0lo: I have a working knoppmyth box. I can connect to the mysql 'mythconverg' database as 'mythtv' and it works. When I try to run mythfrontend on my debian system, it says "Could not connect to master backend server" etc. What am doing wrong?
[02:22:00] Kelerion: check my.cnf and make sure it isn't bound to localhost
[02:22:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: on the server or frontend?
[02:22:00] Kelerion: server
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[02:24:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: Is that where u gotta comment the "skip-networking" line?
[02:25:00] Kelerion: yup
[02:25:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: ok, then yeah, It was set right.
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[02:26:00] Kelerion: is bind-address commented?
[02:26:00] xpis: If mythtv transcodes something without deleting the original, what becomes of the original file? How is it accessed?
[02:27:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: I'm not seeing bind-address in my.cnf
[02:27:00] Kelerion: uncomment the networking line then
[02:30:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: Ok, did that, restarted mysql, and now I can't connect to the DB with $ mysql -h mythtv, etc.
[02:31:00] nasa: Does anyone know why I would get "tuner 1: not availbble" with my Haug pvr-500
[02:31:00] Kelerion: is the host called mythtv?
[02:31:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: yes, in dns.
[02:31:00] Kelerion: ok – put it back. .different to my setup.. sounds like either a dns or firewall issue in that case
[02:32:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: no firewall involved. I tried IP address also, no luck.
[02:32:00] Kelerion: have the qt mysql libs installed?
[02:32:00] hans0lo: on the frontend?
[02:32:00] Kelerion: yup
[02:33:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: yes.
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[02:33:00] Kelerion: can you connect to the server from the frontend with the mysql client?
[02:33:00] hans0lo: yes
[02:33:00] Kelerion: no idea then.. sorry
[02:34:00] Kelerion: can't think of anything else but those libs
[02:36:00] hans0lo: open ports are: 22, 80, 111, 3306, 6543, 6544 — anything missing?
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[02:36:00] Kelerion: nope.. if you can connect to it with the mysql client – it should work if you have those libs
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[02:36:00] hans0lo: Do I need NFS or anything?
[02:37:00] redline-: Ediehow: you still here?
[02:37:00] Kelerion: nope
[02:37:00] Bob-Laptop: Where does ivtv-tune pull the channel freq from?
[02:37:00] hans0lo: dang.
[02:37:00] Kelerion: double check you have those libs.. and if your 100% sure..check the logs on both backend and frontend
[02:38:00] Ediehow: hi
[02:39:00] hans0lo: Kelerion: where is the log on the frontend?
[02:39:00] Kelerion: run it from a shell with "-l /var/log/blah"
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[02:40:00] Ediehow: red_fox, ?
[02:40:00] Ediehow: redline-, ?
[02:40:00] redline-: sorry
[02:40:00] redline-: would you happen to know why i cant get in port 443 but can on 444
[02:41:00] Ediehow: well, 443 is default https port
[02:41:00] redline-: so i need to set that in putty?
[02:41:00] Ediehow: if that's what port sshd is running on
[02:41:00] redline-: i edited my /etc/services
[02:42:00] redline-: yes it is
[02:42:00] Ediehow: ?
[02:42:00] Ediehow: it's in my sshd_config
[02:42:00] redline-: add ssh 443/tcp
[02:42:00] redline-: and udp
[02:43:00] Ediehow: oh ok
[02:43:00] redline-: shutdown apache so its not confused
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[02:56:00] buu: So, I installed knopmyth and got a nice mythtv going, but I don't want the backend running. Can I just kill it? Do I need to disable an init someplace?
[02:56:00] benh: hrm
[02:56:00] benh: current cvs frontend goes bonk if the channel doesn't lock
[02:56:00] redline-: you need the backend to run the frontend
[02:56:00] redline-: no way around it
[02:56:00] benh: since channel data in australia is a total mess, it happens a lot at first
[02:57:00] benh: it says "you should have gotten a channel lock by now..." etc... but then nothing
[02:57:00] benh: pressing keys dosn't help it's dead
[02:57:00] benh: ah it came back
[02:57:00] benh: strange
[02:58:00] benh: ah ok it works with the macos frontend
[02:58:00] benh: I mean the linux frontend
[02:58:00] benh: but built on macos, it goes bonk
[02:58:00] xpis: Is there any way to force mythfilldatabase to get channels further into the future? Currently, I only have 5 days.
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[02:59:00] Kelerion: --days 14
[02:59:00] xpis: Kelerion: thanks
[02:59:00] xpis: illegal option --days
[02:59:00] Kelerion: thats what it defaults to in the uk at least
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[02:59:00] Kelerion: it might be a xmltv grabber option
[03:00:00] Kelerion: I have my cronjob in two stages.. grabber to temp xml file.. then mythfilldb to use that temp
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[03:03:00] Kelerion: try: --graboptions "--days 14"
[03:03:00] rav3r: hi, i was on earlier, getting some help with seting up my lvm group and i had to stop just before setting up the file system. what is the command to set up a jfs file system on an existing volume?
[03:04:00] xpis: Wow. Mythtv actually transferred all my recordings to their proper new channel numbers with no errors.
[03:04:00] rav3r: it is the last piece of this part of the puzzle
[03:04:00] xpis: (automagicly)
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[03:06:00] Kelerion: xris: that should pass it directly to your grabber
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[03:06:00] xpis: ok, I'll try that. Currently, I only have 2 days of data.
[03:06:00] xpis: I only need 7.
[03:09:00] pld: hi all
[03:09:00] pld: anyone got a sec to spare for some modeline questions?
[03:09:00] xpis: Ok, thanks. That worked.
[03:11:00] pld: curious about modeline tweaking information. ive got a 720p modeline that will at least put a blurry, distorted mess on my kv30hs420, but thats as far as i have gotten
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[03:11:00] pld: wondering about how i should approach changes to get it working?
[03:12:00] hans0lo: on my frontend machine, reguardless of what I put in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for DBHostName, when I run mythfrontend it tries to connect to 127.0.0.1
[03:12:00] benh: btw... is there a known problem with fonts on the frontend ?
[03:12:00] benh: text being cut off here or there
[03:13:00] benh: or too large to fit in the box
[03:13:00] kormoc: hans0lo, check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt or /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[03:14:00] hans0lo: kormoc: nope, still tries 127.0.0.1
[03:15:00] kormoc: hans0lo, locate mysql.txt and see if there's any in odd places?
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[03:19:00] benh: hrm... with trunk, tv playback has "hickups" until I pause for a couple of seconds and play again
[03:21:00] hans0lo: kormoc: updatedb; locate mysql.txt — found another occurance, edited, and still tries to connect to 127.0.0.1
[03:21:00] xpis: Hm.. my channel data has become corrupted. Data is on the wrong channels – it didn't take the lineup change as good as I thought.
[03:21:00] xpis: What's the easiest way to wipe all guide data?
[03:21:00] kormoc: hans0lo, as the db or the master back end?
[03:21:00] xpis: (without wiping channel info)
[03:22:00] hans0lo: kormoc: db and master backend are same box.
[03:22:00] kormoc: xpis, mythfilldatabase --refresh-all
[03:22:00] rav3r: so, set up a jfs file system on an existing volume, anyone?
[03:23:00] kormoc: hans0lo, so what's your issue?
[03:23:00] rav3r: i see mke2fs, but i think i need to make it jfs
[03:24:00] hans0lo: mythfrontend says "could not connect to the master backend server", error on console says Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[03:24:00] hans0lo: Connection timed out.
[03:24:00] kormoc: rav3r, mkfs.jsf
[03:24:00] kormoc: hans0lo, that's not the dbhost in the mysql.txt file
[03:24:00] hans0lo: frontend is debian etch, backend server is knoppmyth
[03:24:00] Niteryder: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
[03:24:00] kormoc: hans0lo, run mythtv-setup and change the master server ip and this computer's ip in the general settings
[03:25:00] rav3r: thanks
[03:26:00] hans0lo: kormoc: mythtv-setup on the backend, or frontend?
[03:27:00] rav3r: mkfs.jfs = no such file for directory
[03:27:00] kormoc: hans0lo, eather, the setting you need to change is the master backend ip and that's shared
[03:27:00] rav3r: and locate didn't find it either
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[03:27:00] kormoc: rav3r, you need the jfs utils installed
[03:27:00] rav3r: oic
[03:28:00] rav3r: im in fedora, is there a way to get those?
[03:28:00] kormoc: might want to search your repos
[03:29:00] hans0lo: kormoc: Woo hoo!
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[03:29:00] hans0lo: kormoc: thanks, man. It was the IP settings under general on the backend server
[03:30:00] V3N0M: hi, can mythtv be used on windows?
[03:30:00] kormoc: V3N0M, not really, no
[03:30:00] Kelerion: could try winmyth.. but it's a bit hit-and-miss
[03:30:00] kormoc: it's been unmaintained sense .17 and yeah, rather broken
[03:30:00] V3N0M: aw that sucks
[03:31:00] Kelerion: oh.. didn't know that
[03:31:00] benh: hrmmm
[03:31:00] V3N0M: have any suggestions for a tv watching program for windows?
[03:31:00] benh: TV watching stopped working
[03:31:00] benh: weird
[03:31:00] benh: GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[03:31:00] Kelerion: MCE or Media Portal
[03:31:00] kormoc: V3N0M, GB Pvr
[03:32:00] V3N0M: sorry about the off topic =(
[03:32:00] benh: EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo
[03:32:00] kormoc: http://www.gbpvr.com/
[03:32:00] V3N0M: ok I'll search for that
[03:32:00] V3N0M: thansk
[03:32:00] xris: Kelerion: huh? oh, you were talking to xpis
[03:32:00] Kelerion: xris: yup..sorry
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[03:42:00] benh: hrm
[03:42:00] benh: its the backend that is on crack
[03:43:00] Niteryder: Anyone know any good site for freq. tuning on a Myth system?
[03:44:00] xpis: By the way, what filesystem does everyone use for their huge hard drive partitions?
[03:44:00] nasa: When defining "capture cards" for a pvr-500 — will there be 2 lines (/dev/video0 & /dev/video1)
[03:45:00] xpis: I'm currently using reiserfs(3), but I'm concerned about deleting huge livetv video files.
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[03:46:00] Kelerion: xfs
[03:46:00] Kelerion: on raid 0
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[03:49:00] darkdrgn2k: Hey, does any one know how to do a diskless frontend?
[03:49:00] darkdrgn2k: or any one run one?
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[03:56:00] redline-: its hard and a lot of work dark
[03:58:00] rjune: darkdrgn2k: LTSP is one possibility myth on LTSP in google should help
[03:58:00] benh: hrm
[03:58:00] benh: whatever I do, TV playback is gone
[03:58:00] benh: dunno what's up
[03:59:00] benh: font-end says
[03:59:00] benh: GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[03:59:00] benh: EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo
[03:59:00] benh: dunno if that's related
[03:59:00] benh: and it goes back to the menu right away
[03:59:00] benh: (that is to the toplevel menu)
[03:59:00] benh: (current svn HEAD)
[03:59:00] benh: it worked for a little while, so something got busted
[04:00:00] benh: though I can't spot anything I did ...
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[04:04:00] benh: hrm... ok, I'll post to the list, maybe I can help track down that bug
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[04:07:00] Dittohead: Is is normal for Mythfrontend to be stealing ~80% of the CPU to play video off my PVR-150?
[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: No
[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: unless you have an old and slow cpu
[04:07:00] benh: ah... CreateLiveTVRingBuffer() failed
[04:08:00] benh: hehe
[04:08:00] Dittohead: Athlon XP 2400+
[04:08:00] benh: I _did_ change that setting in the front end
[04:08:00] benh: though I put it back.. same
[04:08:00] benh: I wonder if the setting got toast in the db or so
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: Dittohead: What kind of video card ? And what version of myth ?
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[04:08:00] Dittohead: GreyFoxx, 0.18.1, gentoo, GeForce4 MX440
[04:09:00] Dittohead: GreyFoxx, Playing 720x480 video at 1024x768 on a progressive display.
[04:09:00] GreyFoxx: Lemme guess, running Nvidia driver 8174 or 8178
[04:09:00] Dittohead: 8178....is that a bad thing?
[04:10:00] benh: Dittohead: various reports of regressions in Xv playback with those revs in nvidia forums
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: Yeah, there is a bug with the latest couple nvidia drivers when using OpenGL Vsync
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: try reverting to 7676 and it will likely go back to normal
[04:10:00] Dittohead: I'll give that a try.
[04:10:00] Dittohead: Thanks
[04:11:00] benh: GreyFoxx: out of curiosity, do you know if XvMc works with nvidia ?
[04:11:00] GreyFoxx: If you were running svn you could turn off OpenGL VSync with a toggle, but with 0.18 it would require a recompile
[04:11:00] benh: GreyFoxx: (and recent cards like 6600)
[04:11:00] GreyFoxx: benh: well I know it works with the driver, can't speak to specific models of cards
[04:11:00] benh: GreyFoxx: ok, thanks... will try after I get TV playback back in shape :)
[04:12:00] benh: I've been toying with the idea of trying to reverse-eng. ATI hardware assist (IDCT & MC) too .. that would be nice on the mini
[04:12:00] phiw: what's the best way to figure out why the ffmpeg portion of "nuvexport --debug" fails with "pipe:: Error while opening file"? The mythtranscode line seems to execute fine...
[04:13:00] benh: phiw: strace ?
[04:13:00] phiw: good point
[04:16:00] benh: GreyFoxx: do you know if the TV ring buffer is in RAM or disk ?
[04:16:00] GreyFoxx: disk
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: obviously stuff is reading into ram from the disk
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[04:17:00] benh: ok
[04:17:00] GreyFoxx: but the "ringbuffer" is on the drive
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[04:18:00] GreyFoxx: PC's just don't have that much ram :)
[04:18:00] benh: ok, intresting
[04:18:00] benh: so the problem with TV was that I had 2 capture cards (dvb and video0 for analog s-video input)
[04:18:00] benh: I don't use the later yet, it had no channels configured
[04:18:00] benh: and for some reason, it started to want to default on that one
[04:19:00] benh: failed and just silently canceled TV playback (not letting me go back to dvb)
[04:19:00] benh: removing the analog card in mythtv-setup fixed it
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[04:19:00] GreyFoxx: I think it will normally try to default to the card with the highest ID, so the "newest" one
[04:19:00] GreyFoxx: at least it has in my experience
[04:19:00] benh: yah, not sure what triggered it... it worked ... I must have slected the other one by mistake in the frontend
[04:19:00] benh: and it "remembered" that
[04:20:00] benh: it's a bit nasty that it fails and completely cancel tv playback tho, not letting one switch to the other card
[04:20:00] benh: oh well
[04:20:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[04:20:00] benh: hehe
[04:25:00] benh: now i still have to figure out why some channels are missing and fix the divco ...
[04:25:00] benh: dvico remote
[04:25:00] benh: reading the list, it looks like channel scanning is hopeless anyway :)
[04:26:00] phiw: grr... still can't figure out nuvexport/ffmpeg: "_llseek(3, 0, 0xbfd145f0, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek)" after what would appear to be a successful open: "open("/tmp/fifodir_26924/audout", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3"...
[04:26:00] ** nasa is really starting to pull his hair out... **
[04:28:00] xpis: Are closed captionings broken in svn? (captions aren't working.. either the information isn't being captured from the vbi data or it won't display right)
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[04:28:00] a1fa: god bless the SVN uPDATE :P
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[04:32:00] Dittohead: I've rmmod'd nvidia and emerge unmerged both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, then I merged 7676-r2 and 7676-r1 of both package respectively. Mythfrontend is now complaining that "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7676, but this library is version 1.0.8178". What else needs to be rebuilt now?
[04:34:00] benh: so do I understand correctly that channels that don't get a channel number are the ones not found during the tuning ?
[04:34:00] benh: or what ?
[04:35:00] benh: I'm trying to understand while only some channels are visible in the front-end from the list and why I can't see the actual frequency/tuning info when they get matched to the input source
[04:35:00] benh: the interface is fairly confusing ...
[04:35:00] dtm: benh: during what tuning?
[04:36:00] benh: dtm: s/tuning/scanning sorry
[04:36:00] dtm: benh: what's scanning?
[04:36:00] dtm: benh: i have only scanned with scantv
[04:36:00] benh: well... what you do in the "channel configuration" gui
[04:36:00] dtm: nothing yet
[04:36:00] benh: previously, I scanned without an input source, and it found most of hte channels
[04:37:00] benh: using the info from the digital signal (it did miss a couple tho)
[04:37:00] dtm: i dont see a reason to do it. i'm pretty sure the docs say not to, in the US, coz i'd use zap2it.
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[04:37:00] benh: but when I added the source thing, it completely replaced my list of channels and I don't quite get it
[04:37:00] a1fa: i hate when you write a 10 page email
[04:37:00] a1fa: and you get three words reply
[04:37:00] a1fa: or 4 words
[04:37:00] a1fa: "great to hear from you"
[04:38:00] dtm: a1fa: noted.
[04:38:00] a1fa: well thats 5
[04:38:00] a1fa: :P
[04:38:00] a1fa: but still
[04:39:00] a1fa: omfg
[04:39:00] a1fa: :P
[04:39:00] a1fa: this is great
[04:39:00] a1fa: http://video.bmj.net/optiker.mpg
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[04:43:00] phiw: wow
[04:43:00] phiw: that's... not... quite... right...
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[04:51:00] a1fa: ouch
[04:51:00] a1fa: http://video.bmj.net/footswing.wmv
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[04:53:00] a1fa: http://video.bmj.net/holdinitdown.wmv
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[05:13:00] benh: hrm
[05:13:00] benh: we need a frontend option to restart the backend :)
[05:15:00] GreyFoxx: Why? I can't think of any configurable option in the frontend that would require a restart of th e backend
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[05:17:00] benh: GreyFoxx: when the backend dies !
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[05:17:00] benh: GreyFoxx: the MacOS front end at least managed to kill it twice in a row
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[05:18:00] benh: GreyFoxx: the linux front-end on the same box is much more stable... a killer is flipping TV channels
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: benh: My backend never dies, and I'd rather someone fix whatever causes it to die than cover it up with a "restart" switch :)
[05:20:00] GreyFoxx: most people who have issues like that just run the backend in an infinite loop
[05:20:00] ** GreyFoxx turns on the TV to check the Election results **
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[05:20:00] benh: GreyFoxx: yeah, well, I'm still a bit too new on the whole mythtv thing to start digging in the code
[05:21:00] benh: GreyFoxx: but I'll track things down once I get a bit more comfortable about what's going on
[05:21:00] benh: GreyFoxx: right now, I have a full build of CVS head (back+front on linux and front on OS X) and I see weird shit when using hte macos frontend
[05:21:00] benh: GreyFoxx: but difficult yet to figure out exactly what's up ;)
[05:21:00] GreyFoxx: I don't doubt it
[05:22:00] GreyFoxx: The Mac stuff gets very little love and attention
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[05:22:00] benh: GreyFoxx: like a while ago, the backend stopped reponding to frontends but was still running, displaying things about doing housekeeping in the log
[05:22:00] benh: GreyFoxx: yah, I can understand that ... It's just that I had this mac mini lying around and I felt it would do a nice frontend :)
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[05:23:00] benh: GreyFoxx: but I'll try to get the tv out working on it in linux asap
[05:23:00] dtm: benh: what do you think of the macos frontend? i think i'm just getting my linux backend done
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[05:23:00] benh: GreyFoxx: I need to figure out what kind of encoder chip htey have on the dongle (it's a dongle on the analog output, probably using the ddc i2c bus)
[05:23:00] dtm: benh: does it seem to be an endemic problem? or is it just on yours?
[05:23:00] benh: dtm: well.. 18.1 works, HEAD is fairly explosive
[05:23:00] dtm: oic
[05:24:00] dtm: benh: why are you using HEAD
[05:24:00] benh: dtm: I think it's just not keeping up as fast as the linux one with updates/fixes
[05:24:00] benh: dtm: because stable is boring :)
[05:24:00] benh: dtm: and once I get up to speed with the stuff, I suppose I can help fixing things
[05:25:00] benh: GreyFoxx: shits me that they actually glued the plastic so I'll have to break it open
[05:25:00] dtm: benh: stable is boring, but you don't want to dig into the code? the mighty benh isn't ready for THE CODE?!
[05:25:00] dtm: ^_^
[05:25:00] benh: dtm: no, I +do+ want to dig into the code :)
[05:25:00] dtm: k
[05:26:00] benh: dtm: once I've figured out a bit more about the big picture :)
[05:26:00] dtm: mmhmm
[05:26:00] benh: (and made my gf happy with a setup that works)
[05:26:00] dtm: yeah.
[05:26:00] GreyFoxx: well if you want Mac specific fixes in 0.19 you better hurry and start submitting patches :)
[05:26:00] dtm: GO, BENH, GO!
[05:26:00] benh: GreyFoxx: oh I won't be bothered
[05:26:00] benh: GreyFoxx: I don't normally run OS X on my macs
[05:27:00] benh: GreyFoxx: I generally port the linux kernel to them :)
[05:27:00] benh: nah, what i really need to do is to get that tvout stuff working in linux
[05:28:00] ** GreyFoxx throws his remote at the TV. Elections suck. **
[05:28:00] rimshot: looking for help with Channel Editor: I can tune in a DVB-S channel using szap, but not with the Channel Editor.
[05:28:00] benh: GreyFoxx: canada ?
[05:28:00] GreyFoxx: benh: Correct
[05:28:00] benh: GreyFoxx: when do you get the first results ?
[05:28:00] GreyFoxx: Already done pretty much
[05:28:00] benh: GreyFoxx: ok, and what does it look like so far ?
[05:28:00] GreyFoxx: lots of little ridings still to come in but not enough to change the way it is now
[05:29:00] benh: I've seen quite a bit of canadian politics on TV5 lately :)
[05:29:00] GreyFoxx: The Conservatives/Harper won
[05:29:00] benh: ok, not surprising
[05:29:00] GreyFoxx: Paul Martin is gonna resign from the looks of it
[05:29:00] benh: well.. you are trading center right to bush-like right then, good luck :)
[05:29:00] GreyFoxx: Ick
[05:29:00] benh: heh, just kidding
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: Harper lost in all the major cities and centres
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: he won off the rural votes
[05:30:00] benh: that smells like a populist affair... not very good sign in general
[05:31:00] benh: did he do good in qebec ? that was apparently a big thing...
[05:31:00] GreyFoxx: The cities/locations with money and power didn't want him, but unfortunately there are more people in the outlying areas
[05:31:00] GreyFoxx: dunno
[05:31:00] benh: yah, canada isn't like france ... more people in cities than in rural areas... so when politicians target rural votes, it's generally not just conservative
[05:31:00] benh: it's also generally very backward
[05:32:00] benh: like extreme right
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[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: This just makes me sick
[05:33:00] ** SteveWrightNZ passes a bucket **
[05:33:00] GreyFoxx: Thanks
[05:33:00] benh: oh well... reminds me of election night in france when chirac won ;(
[05:33:00] benh: or here in au when howard got re-elected
[05:34:00] benh: looks like what people need is to be sent back in the 12th century ...
[05:35:00] GreyFoxx: It's a backwards move imho, but that's what happens when everyone gets a vote.
[05:38:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, I also find that a lot of the inner city folks just don't vote in canada
[05:38:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: I don't doubt that. It amazes him to see how people in Both Canada and the US don't vote at all during major elections
[05:42:00] GreyFoxx: People are stupid (And I do not just mean those that disagree with my opinions). Which is why I see Democracy as kind of silly :)
[05:42:00] kormoc: hehe
[05:43:00] kormoc: yeah, the problem is, with any other form of government, you have less people in power, so same level of stupidity, but more power
[05:43:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
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[05:46:00] dtm: benh: do you have a howto for the macos frontend? is there a good binary for 10.3?
[05:46:00] dtm: i have no dev tools for it
[05:46:00] benh: dtm: dev tools can be downloaded free
[05:46:00] benh: dtm: on apple site
[05:46:00] dtm: benh: that's not the question
[05:46:00] dtm: sir
[05:46:00] benh: dtm: google around, there is a wiki and there are precompiled binaries for 0.18.1
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[05:47:00] benh: argh
[05:47:00] benh: fuck apple
[05:47:00] dtm: benh: :-o
[05:48:00] benh: the TV out dongle is soldered close inside
[05:48:00] dtm: you mustn't say such things, sir
[05:48:00] dtm: what?!
[05:48:00] dtm: what kind of dongle?
[05:48:00] benh: (when you break open the plastic, it's all enclosed in a metallic thing that is soldered closed)
[05:48:00] benh: dtm: TV out adapter for the mac mini
[05:48:00] benh: dtm: I need to figure out what encoder chip it uses
[05:48:00] dtm: benh: ohhh so it can't be properly opened?
[05:49:00] benh: dtm: with an iron ... unless I just use a can opened ;) but then I might not be able to use it anymore
[05:49:00] dtm: oic
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[05:50:00] fatmatt: benh: is there a pci scan utility for mac? if not, is there a bootable linux cd with one?
[05:50:00] kormoc: lscpi?
[05:51:00] benh: fatmatt: I suppose pretty much every linux distro has lspci
[05:51:00] benh: fatmatt: what for ?
[05:51:00] fatmatt: maybe try and query the chip for enough info to find out what it is'
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[05:53:00] dtm: fatmatt: read 'dmesg'
[05:53:00] dtm: fatmatt: or put the driver in verbose mode
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[05:56:00] defaultro: hey guys, am I correct that you are using video4linux device for you PVR 150/250/500?
[05:56:00] kormoc: defaultro, no
[05:56:00] defaultro: oh ok
[05:56:00] kormoc: defaultro, ivtv is the driver for the PVR cards
[05:56:00] defaultro: gotcha
[05:57:00] defaultro: someon on #4vl told me that i can use video4linux device for my fusion lite card
[05:57:00] defaultro: with that, I will be able to capture analog
[06:00:00] dtm: benh: what version of macos do you have?
[06:01:00] benh: dtm: on the mini ? latest tiger (10.4.4)
[06:01:00] dtm: k
[06:01:00] benh: though it generally runs linux
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[06:08:00] defaultro: pre .19 is great
[06:08:00] defaultro: hey guys, can you show me some cool theme other than the standard theme, grayhem, nuvola and retro
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[06:11:00] dtm: benh: is it possible to run mythtv frontend on macos without any dev tools? does the dmg include everything? it's talking about qt and freetype and crap i don't have.
[06:13:00] Captain_Murdoch: I thought I'd heard of 2 versions, one with the dependencies and one without.
[06:15:00] benh: dtm: yes
[06:15:00] benh: dtm: everything is included in the budle that gets built
[06:15:00] benh: at least if it's build with the os-packager.pl thingy
[06:18:00] benh: hollly shit !
[06:18:00] benh: I've cut it open ... apple has removed the reference from the encoder chip !!!
[06:20:00] dtm: benh: are you telling me nobody has done that and posted the info?
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[06:21:00] benh: dtm: nope
[06:22:00] dtm: benh: :/
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[06:23:00] ** nanoITX compilex xine-lib-1.1.1 natively on his EPIA-N **
[06:23:00] benh: ah, I almost got it back ;) it's a layer of crap on top of the number
[06:24:00] dtm: what kind of crap
[06:24:00] dtm: now starting MythFrontend
[06:25:00] ** nanoITX wonders if XxMC will be troublesome... **
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[06:28:00] nanoITX: So far this EPIA-N rocks! Compiling natively across an NFS mount, xmms playing a tune, and chatting here.
[06:29:00] nanoITX: next stop: XxMC xine andy myth.
[06:30:00] benh: a bit of nail dissolvant and here is the chip id ;)
[06:30:00] dtm: nanoITX: i'm doing that on my 1998 powerbook
[06:30:00] dtm: isn't that a coincidence
[06:31:00] nanoITX: drm: yeah, but my EPIA=N in an LC08 case is sexier than your powerbook, so nyah, nyah..... :-) :-)
[06:31:00] nanoITX: er, dtm, that is
[06:31:00] dtm: no.
[06:31:00] dtm: that is quite impossible.
[06:31:00] dtm: perhaps you've never seen a powerbook ^_^
[06:32:00] nanoITX: I have. TEHO, I guess.
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[06:33:00] ** nanoITX suspects that dtm's powerbook can't accomodated a 500 GB disk drive. **
[06:33:00] nanoITX: All the better to rip my media.
[06:33:00] nanoITX: Still, to each his own.
[06:33:00] dtm: nanoITX: what on earth would prompt you to suspect that
[06:34:00] nanoITX: dtm: Are there 500GB 2–1/2" drives?
[06:34:00] dtm: i am mildly curious, sir
[06:34:00] dtm: i don't know, but there don't need to be.
[06:34:00] nanoITX: Or do powerbooks accomodate 3–1/2" drives
[06:34:00] nanoITX: I haven't seen a 500 GB 2–1/2" drive
[06:35:00] nanoITX: Actually, the size of the drive is rather pointless, since most of my content is on the big server, down the lan....
[06:35:00] dtm: yeah same here
[06:36:00] ** nanoITX wonders if he dares queue up a Cyndi Lauper remake of a Celine Dion song... **
[06:37:00] nanoITX: At least Cyndi Lauper sings and looks better than Celine Dion.
[06:37:00] ** nanoITX admits that might not be saying much. **
[06:37:00] hans0lo: is there a way to open mythfrontend in a window, instead of full-screen?
[06:39:00] dtm: benh: are you building myth frontend on macos? or running it prebuilt?
[06:40:00] benh: dtm: both
[06:40:00] dtm: k
[06:40:00] benh: somebody knows which electronic component vendor has a logo that is a filled triangle with 3 bars around it parallel to the sides ?
[06:40:00] dtm: i need to set the ACL on the mysql backend.
[06:40:00] ** benh should try to take a pic **
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[06:50:00] Krazylegz: Woo hoo, #mythtv-users log comes through. Thanks Beirdo!
[06:51:00] kormoc: So I'm pondering shaving my head tonight. Should I?
[06:51:00] ** kormoc ponders **
[06:51:00] nanoITX: yes
[06:51:00] DGnome: kormoc: just do it :)
[06:51:00] ** nanoITX used to have *very* long hair and now wears it short **
[06:52:00] ** DGnome shaves **
[06:52:00] nanoITX: dunno if I'd shave my head, tho
[06:52:00] kormoc: My hair right now is quite long, about down to the center of my sholder blades.
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[06:53:00] kormoc: http://kormoc.homelinux.org/gallery/SlashdotDeleetG2G/dsc00817 <-- it's another 2 inches longer sense that picture
[06:53:00] ** kormoc ponders **
[06:54:00] DGnome: omg, go for it :D
[06:55:00] nanoITX: That is short. I'm prolly twice your age, and until recently, wore it much longer.
[06:56:00] nanoITX: And yes, I still know how to use a slide rule :-)
[06:56:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I normally shave it every summer, but it doesn't get as hot here on the west coast, so havn't chaved it.
[06:56:00] Cardoe: kormoc: hey
[06:56:00] Cardoe: did you try those two plugins
[06:56:00] kormoc: Cardoe, hihi
[06:56:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I emerged them, havn't played aynthing yet.
[06:56:00] nanoITX: kormoc: where on the west coast? I'm north of Seattle
[06:56:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I'm in seattle :)
[06:57:00] nanoITX: heh
[06:57:00] kormoc: Cardoe, I shall play with them in a little, but first, should I shave my head? :P
[06:57:00] nanoITX: I realized that I forgot to qualify my query by continent.
[06:57:00] kormoc: nanoITX, xris has been tring to get together a myth users dinner sometime. jasta is also in the area.
[06:57:00] Krazylegz: kormoc: I'm going to be in Seattle on sunday.
[06:58:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, ooh?
[06:58:00] Krazylegz: Well, Orting actually. MUG meeting?
[06:58:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, MUG?
[06:58:00] Krazylegz: MythTV Users Group?
[06:58:00] nanoITX: kormoc: cool! I've been playing with myth on a desktop, but my real project is getting mythfrontend runniong on an EPIA-N in a Silverstone LC08 case.
[06:58:00] Krazylegz: Presumably just you, me and xris. ;-)
[06:58:00] nanoITX: got drm/dri working, dunno about XxMC yet, compiling xine-lib now.
[06:58:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, sure! I'm up for it, will have to poke xris a to make sure he's good
[06:59:00] Krazylegz: Not sure which day would be good.
[06:59:00] nanoITX: Chatting, playing some ripped CDs and compiling all on the box, right now.
[06:59:00] kormoc: I'm free all weekend
[06:59:00] Krazylegz: I'll have to contact you here or in #lanc-lug.
[06:59:00] ** kormoc nods **
[06:59:00] Krazylegz: I think I'll be getting in later on sunday.
[06:59:00] kormoc: spending a week?
[07:00:00] Krazylegz: No, just 2 days. Then I'm off to Dallas.
[07:00:00] kormoc: ahh, so sunday night to tuesday night?
[07:00:00] Krazylegz: Yeah.
[07:01:00] kormoc: I'm free monday from 6 pm onwards
[07:01:00] ** nanoITX notes that no one is surprised that he has an EPIA-N mobo in an LC08 case... **
[07:01:00] Krazylegz: Oh, I'll be in Seattle on sunday at 1:30 PST.
[07:01:00] ** nanoITX lives in Monroe... **
[07:01:00] kormoc: plenty early to meet up
[07:01:00] Krazylegz: Not sure what my plans are though.
[07:02:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, sadly, havn't found any good wings places, and xris is a veggie lover, so gonna have to settle for 'wings' :)
[07:03:00] kormoc: nanoITX, monroe... isn't that just slightly south of lynnwood?
[07:03:00] nanoITX: yeah, think so. East of Everett.
[07:03:00] Krazylegz: We've done that here lately too, since Lon and I can't help but go out to Quip's on mondays.
[07:03:00] Krazylegz: At least we have the past two weeks.
[07:03:00] ** kormoc nods **
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[07:04:00] kormoc: Too bad lon doesn't like Beanies. Their wings rox up if you get there early in the afternoon
[07:04:00] kormoc: $1.75 doz with 55 types, and really really good types
[07:04:00] dtm: benh: so which frontend binary did you run?
[07:04:00] Krazylegz: I think he just doesn't like Beanie's because you can't take groups there.
[07:04:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I'm actually in tukwila, but I head towards lynnwood quite often, I have a lot of firends up that way
[07:04:00] ** nanoITX dries his own habenero peppers to make a killer "pepper" powder **
[07:04:00] kormoc: dtm, mythfrontend
[07:04:00] Krazylegz: Quip's has $6 AYCE on mondays.
[07:05:00] kormoc: nanoITX, ooh! heat lover!
[07:05:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, dude! That's awesome!
[07:05:00] dtm: kormoc: talkin bout macos, but thanks :)
[07:05:00] nanoITX: kormoc: big time
[07:05:00] kormoc: nanoITX, yum yum! What's your hottest sauce? :)
[07:05:00] nanoITX: I make a mean vindaloo too, though I usually tone it down for the kids and use arbol chillies
[07:06:00] kormoc: nanoITX, my last creation is a celontro smoked habanaro chuttney
[07:06:00] nanoITX: hottest commercial sauce I use regularly? Dave's Insanity... on scrambled eggs and burgers mostly.
[07:06:00] kormoc: ahh, so not that spicy.
[07:06:00] nanoITX: kormoc: can you grow habs this far north.
[07:06:00] kormoc: nanoITX, have you seen http://www.sweatnspice.com?
[07:06:00] kormoc: nanoITX, alas, I don't grow them. Central Market usually has a really nice selection
[07:06:00] ** nanoITX looks now **
[07:07:00] nanoITX: The usual stuff..
[07:07:00] kormoc: nanoITX, they have some unusual stuff
[07:07:00] nanoITX: I tend to make my own clile oil for asian dishes from habs
[07:08:00] kormoc: and they tend to be some really good stuff
[07:08:00] ** nanoITX makes his vindaloo from scratch. **
[07:08:00] kormoc: I really enjoyed their pineapple scottish bonnet sauce
[07:08:00] nanoITX: I once showed a friend's daughter how to make a vindalo... took 1–1/2 hours to toast and grind the spices... LOL
[07:08:00] nanoITX: turned out great, tho.
[07:09:00] ** kormoc nods **
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[07:10:00] nanoITX: I have a small morter and pestle, but I usually use a blade coffe grinder reserved for the purpose (I grind my coffee with a burr grinder, than you).
[07:10:00] ** nanoITX notes that he comes across as a food snob **
[07:10:00] kormoc: hehe, smart man :)
[07:11:00] nanoITX: someone offered me a big one, not realizing that it was worth $150-$200. I couldn't accept it.
[07:11:00] kormoc: they've seemed to come down in price a bit lately
[07:11:00] nanoITX: funny, I still burn my fingers chopping habs sometimes, even after all these years
[07:11:00] ** nanoITX notes that gloves are for wimps. **
[07:11:00] kormoc: I've been looking at them a bit off and on, waiting till I have the money for my french press set
[07:12:00] nanoITX: Got my burr grinder on sale for $30.
[07:13:00] kormoc: nice
[07:14:00] nanoITX: yeah, I just couldn't see myself spending $100+ for one.
[07:14:00] nanoITX: I think I got it at Target, of all places
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[07:14:00] kormoc: target has these really awesome crystal glasses for really cheap
[07:15:00] nanoITX: 24% lead crystal?
[07:15:00] kormoc: 100% lead free I beleive
[07:15:00] nanoITX: Feh.
[07:15:00] kormoc: I really don't like lead crystal
[07:16:00] nanoITX: I know, but it's traditional, and looks really nice. I figure I use it so rarely, that it doens't matter
[07:16:00] kormoc: yeah, these look like lead crystal, perfectly clear and wonderfully sounding, but not and cheap
[07:17:00] nanoITX: most of my crustal stemware is inherited. 3 generations old.
[07:17:00] nanoITX: couldn't afford to buy it today.
[07:17:00] kormoc: heh, fair nuff
[07:18:00] nanoITX: so, this get together, can myth newbies like me join?
[07:18:00] kormoc: if it turns into a myth get together, sure
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[07:18:00] nanoITX: fair enuf
[07:18:00] kormoc: I'm gonna poke xris tomorrow at work if he doesn't see this talk tonight
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[07:19:00] nanoITX: sounds like a plan.
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[07:20:00] Krazylegz: Indeed.
[07:20:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, and you're gonna need to find out when you are free
[07:21:00] Krazylegz: Yeah, I know.
[07:21:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, btw, I'm like 2 miles from seatac, so I could pick you up from there prehaps if you needed
[07:21:00] Krazylegz: I don't have a whole lot of information yet. It might be a short notice thing.
[07:21:00] kormoc: fair nuff
[07:21:00] Krazylegz: I'm assuming my boss will be picking me up. I'm staying at his place anyway.
[07:21:00] kormoc: kk
[07:21:00] ** nanoITX wonders if he should admit he works in Redmond..... **
[07:21:00] kormoc: you got a cell phone?
[07:22:00] Krazylegz: Yep.
[07:22:00] kormoc: I'll toss you my number.
[07:22:00] Krazylegz: I'm all modern, even though I live in Lancaster County now.
[07:22:00] Krazylegz: Okay.
[07:22:00] ** nanoITX raises his hand, FWIW **
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[07:23:00] kormoc: FWIW?
[07:23:00] nanoITX: I finally caved into my wife and got cell phones for her, myself, and our daughter
[07:23:00] k-man: whats these rumours i hear that 0.19 will be coming out soon?
[07:23:00] nanoITX: For What It's Worth.... if you're organizing a GT on short notice, I can provide a cell #
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[07:24:00] kormoc: nanoITX, sure, feel free to message me with your number and name
[07:24:00] ** nanoITX notes that HE got the phone that (a) is hackable, (b) takes transflash storage, (c) and accomodates a bluetooth earbud. **
[07:25:00] kormoc: heh, I got a motorola v330 and hacked it to the point I don't get voice mails anymore! :P
[07:25:00] ** kormoc really does need to get that fixed. **
[07:26:00] nanoITX: I have an E815... got the USB cable for it but haven't hacked it yet.
[07:26:00] kormoc: just remember to back it up no matter how trivial the change appears
[07:26:00] nanoITX: true 'dat
[07:26:00] Krazylegz: I had the same phone for 3–1/2 years. Finally had to get a new one.
[07:26:00] Krazylegz: I guess it's okay. I wouldn't mind having the old one back.
[07:26:00] kormoc: I enabled vibrate and then ring option, and that killed my voice mail...
[07:27:00] nanoITX: 'course with the earbud, people at the supermarket think I'm craxy.. talking to myself and all,.
[07:27:00] kormoc: hehe, I couldn't talk on the phone in a public place like that...
[07:28:00] nanoITX: I don't care what people think, as long as it's not personal. It's not like I talk on it in a restaurant, or theater, etc.
[07:28:00] nanoITX: The earbud does have a bit of a borgish look to it, tho
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[07:29:00] nanoITX: What I want to do is hack it so I don;t have to use Verizon's pic/txt servers.
[07:32:00] ** nanoITX gets a deal on the rate from the otherwise-expensive Verizon. **
[07:32:00] kormoc: I went with tmobile prepay
[07:32:00] kormoc: way cheaper for myself that
[07:32:00] kormoc: way
[07:32:00] nanoITX: kormoc: I tried to DCC chat you my cell#, but you didn't respond.
[07:32:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I didn't get the request
[07:33:00] nanoITX: $64 for 1400 minutes + $16 for two extra lines.
[07:33:00] kormoc: nanoITX, you can just /msg kormoc blah and that'd be fine
[07:33:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I pay about... $10 a month with how much I use it
[07:34:00] nanoITX: wife and daughter rack up the minutes. Prepaid is expensive if you use it a lot.
[07:34:00] nanoITX: But, for a single guy who uses it sparingly, it makes perfect sense.
[07:35:00] kormoc: Well, my home phone is Vonage, so I have free long distance for the entire us and canada and all that, so my cell is only used when I'm not at home, so it's quite rarely used
[07:36:00] nanoITX: Heh, I use Vonage at home too.
[07:37:00] nanoITX: I had thought of writing some code to do a MIM attack on the comms between the Vonage ATA and their servers, so I could hijack the connection with A*, but never did.
[07:38:00] kormoc: don't they use a 1024 bit RSA encrypted protocol?
[07:39:00] nanoITX: prolly, but you use a modem card to "talk" to the ATA, and sit in the middle of it and Vonage's servers. Then, once the session is established, you hijack it with A*
[07:40:00] kormoc: actually, my vonage is though a router, not a modem card
[07:40:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[07:40:00] nanoITX: So, A* initiates the call, by making the Vonage ATA think you picked up the phone and dialed, and then handless the call onece it's set up/
[07:40:00] dtm: yay vonage
[07:40:00] kormoc: ooh, I see what you're saying
[07:41:00] nanoITX: kormoc: the recent Vonage "routers" are crap: they do traffic shaping by killing the througput on the LAN side *all the time*. Much better to roll an iptables firewall with a trafic-shaped VoIP port
[07:42:00] ** nanoITX looks at his $100 Fry's special used just for that purpose... and sinking email. **
[07:42:00] kormoc: hrm, I don't notice them slowing down the lan
[07:42:00] nanoITX: 1 Mb/s max
[07:42:00] kormoc: oh now, I'm getting way more then that
[07:42:00] kormoc: *oh no
[07:42:00] kormoc: speed testing, I'm getting 12 Mb/s from computer to computer
[07:43:00] kormoc: right now
[07:43:00] nanoITX: yeah, but what about the WAN connection throught the ATA to your ISP?
[07:43:00] kormoc: I get full speed with that as well
[07:43:00] nanoITX: the Vonage ATA killed DOWNstream bamdwidth too,.
[07:43:00] nanoITX: maybe the new ones are better.
[07:43:00] kormoc: perhaps
[07:44:00] nanoITX: I have a VT1005 and it sucks on the LAN port.
[07:44:00] nanoITX: So, I have nothing on it but the analog wireles Uniden phone system,
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[07:46:00] nanoITX: My setup is phone split to DSL modem to firewall/traffic shaper to router for home lan and VoIP lan, VoIP Lan to ATA to two-line Uniden wireless system with the other line on the POTS line after the DSL lowpass filter
[07:47:00] nanoITX: I use Blarg for an ISP, and Verizon for the Pipe... just to get all inbound ports open and a static IP;
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[07:48:00] nanoITX: fsking expensive tho: $70 for Verizon and ISP charges for 1.5M down / 384k up
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[07:48:00] kormoc: ouch
[07:48:00] nanoITX: but blarg got smart and started reselling Verizon's pipes wholesale.
[07:48:00] nanoITX: It *costs* if you wanna static IP these days.
[07:49:00] nanoITX: so blarg saves me $10 over what I paid before: $40 to Verizon and $35 to blarg plus taxes.
[07:49:00] nanoITX: Now, I just get a bill from Blarg (the ISP), and nothing from "Verizon Advanced Data Services"
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[07:51:00] nanoITX: 'course Blarg doesn't care what servers I run, though they appreciate that I don't relay port 25.
[07:51:00] kormoc: heh, nice
[07:52:00] nanoITX: freedom has it's price, I'm afraid, tho: I know full well ‎I pay almost triple what my neighbor pays for his "cable modem" service.
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[07:53:00] nanoITX: But I also know I'm not in "violation" of any AUP by using the "hacker tool" ping to check a remote server.
[07:53:00] kormoc: heh, I'm on comcast, so I don't really care I'm in violation of their TOS
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[07:54:00] nanoITX: and.. you can filter "probes" from their servers, too. I just don't want all that hassle. Besides, it's inbond that's the real point: I want to sink my own email and be able to ssh into my home LAN
[07:55:00] dtm: my macos mythfrontend says it can't connect to the backend, but i can telnet to its port 6544
[07:55:00] dtm: and all the backend mysql functionality works from the frontend.
[07:56:00] dtm: what's up with that?
[07:56:00] dtm: "could not connect to master backend server"
[07:56:00] dtm: tcpdump on the backend shows no network traffic except mysql
[07:57:00] nanoITX: 'course you do enjoy that "massive" shared downstream bandwith.
[07:57:00] nanoITX: Still, I've found few remote servers that can feed me 3–6 MB/s.
[07:57:00] nanoITX: er, Mb/s
[07:57:00] dtm: nanoITX: what do you mean by "sink" your own email
[07:58:00] nanoITX: mail sent to *@hollan.org winds up on the box in my home.
[07:58:00] nanoITX: I don't have to fetchmail it.
[07:58:00] nanoITX: This has many advantges: for example, I can have as many email addresses at my domain as I want.
[07:59:00] nanoITX: And, it doesn't sit on some ISP's server.
[07:59:00] nanoITX: funny how many credit card offers my cats get (they have their own email addresses :-))
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[08:02:00] nanoITX: dtm: does your mythfrontend know where your backend is? IP address or hostname and port?
[08:02:00] kormoc: nanoITX, I just have * (at) kormoc.com go to my gmail address :)
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[08:02:00] dtm: nanoITX: yeah it does according to the gui
[08:02:00] dtm: nanoITX: that error indicates that port 6544 isn't working, right?
[08:02:00] dtm: nanoITX: that's the port for the traffic in question?
[08:02:00] nanoITX: kormoc: yes, but you then have to separate it. I have *@hollan.org go to the apropriate inbox, with a catchall.
[08:03:00] kormoc: nanoITX, it's all going to me anyway, so it's all good :)
[08:03:00] nanoITX: dtm: dunno, never had a problem except when I forgot to start mythbackend. And, right now, I run them on the same box.
[08:03:00] nanoITX: kormoc: my wife and daughter have their own addresses in the hollan.org domain.
[08:03:00] dtm: ok well tcpdump running on the frontend box shows no traffic on 6544
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[08:04:00] nanoITX: dtm: firewall inbetween?
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[08:04:00] dtm: nanoITX: not at all
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[08:04:00] dtm: nanoITX: they're on the same switch and neither has a firewall at all. all other traffic works
[08:05:00] nanoITX: dtm: iptables?
[08:05:00] dtm: nanoITX: no firewall.
[08:05:00] nanoITX: 'K
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[08:05:00] dtm: nanoITX: telnet to 6544 works between them
[08:05:00] hari_seldon99: Hi
[08:05:00] dtm: hari_seldon99: hi
[08:05:00] hari_seldon99: running knoppmyth R5A16
[08:05:00] nanoITX: hey there, Asimov Fan.
[08:05:00] hari_seldon99: mythtv 0.18.1
[08:06:00] hari_seldon99: I tried to change the name of the mysql db superuser and bolloxed the db. Now I can't access it as system root (only as regular user)
[08:07:00] dtm: nanoITX: this is my first setup, so it's never worked
[08:07:00] simcop2387: hrm X is using 14% of my ram
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[08:08:00] nanoITX: dtm: never ran myth cross a net, sorry. It looks like everything *should* work. Are you sure one isn't using a host name that isn't resolving and you telnetted with an IP address? (guessing)
[08:08:00] hari_seldon99: This heres what I get now:http://pastebin.ca/38309
[08:08:00] dtm: nanoITX: yeah but my config is for an IP addr
[08:09:00] dtm: nanoITX: i'll give it a hostname just in case
[08:09:00] hari_seldon99: fine as regular user tho
[08:10:00] hari_seldon99: http://pastebin.ca/38310
[08:10:00] hari_seldon99: what'd I do wrong?
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[08:20:00] dtm: nanoITX: i went to the setup gui where you set the mysql settings. what other settings are there?
[08:20:00] dtm: nanoITX: is there anywhere else to set an ip address for the backend?
[08:20:00] nanoITX: WOOHOO! I;ve got DVDs playing on my nanoITX box!
[08:20:00] nanoITX: dtm: sorry, out of ideal.
[08:20:00] nanoITX: er, ideas
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[09:06:00] nanoITX: damn box died on me trying to play back DVDs.
[09:07:00] nanoITX: But, ripping them to the HD and playing them from there works.
[09:07:00] nanoITX: No XxMC yet, tho
[09:08:00] nanoITX: got myth playing back "Revolution OS" (didn't install libdvdcss yet and "Revolution OS" is unencrypted)
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[09:22:00] nanoITX: looks like everyone went to sleep.
[09:22:00] nanoITX: Time for me to sleep too.
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[10:07:00] dtm: hi all
[10:07:00] dtm: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: rbuf://10.1.1.215:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv
[10:07:00] dtm: Could not bind to UDP notify port: 6948
[10:08:00] dtm: those are my errors at this point. it queues up the ringbuffer, i hear about three blurbs of audio, the video window remains black, and mythfrontend crashes. this is on macos, with a linux backend.
[10:08:00] dtm: everythign else about mythfrontend is fine, including recording
[10:09:00] dtm: the ringbuffer is simply m2v/mp3 so it should have a decoder for mpeg2 video shouldn't it?
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[11:15:00] juski: morning
[11:15:00] Merlin83b: Hi juski.
[11:17:00] juski: finally nixed that IDE flash device problem here.. doesn't like us checking for device1 on the bus.. hacky fix but it'll do seen as we'll only ever have device0 on there
[11:19:00] juski: how's the EPIA PVR going then? playing canny?
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[11:24:00] Merlin83b: All working dandily :-)
[11:24:00] Merlin83b: Time to get the silent case and bigger hdd ordered methinks.
[11:25:00] juski: cool :) what I like to hear
[11:25:00] Merlin83b: GreyFoxx's patches to the rescue :-)
[11:25:00] juski: I need to nip out at some point & buy a new nvidia card
[11:25:00] juski: get a 5200 or something
[11:27:00] Merlin83b: To replace your overheating one?
[11:27:00] juski: yup
[11:28:00] Merlin83b: You could just add a ncie quiet fan...
[11:28:00] juski: nah – it's damaged goods now
[11:29:00] juski: ran without a fan for over a year
[11:29:00] Merlin83b: Oh right, not so good.
[11:29:00] Merlin83b: Think I broke an old GeForce one doing that.
[11:29:00] juski: need a new PSU too.. one with not-so-loose HDD connectors on it
[11:29:00] Merlin83b: Heh
[11:30:00] juski: I'd crimp some new ones on but it's old & noisy too
[11:30:00] juski: this is gonna be the lugradiolive box
[11:30:00] Merlin83b: Oh, cool.
[11:30:00] Merlin83b: Wolverhampton, right?
[11:31:00] juski: been pricing up a vinyl banner for the stand.. everywhere on the web wants at least £30 for a 3x2 ft sign
[11:31:00] juski: gonna try a local place, and yellow pages.. possibly exchange & mart too
[11:32:00] juski: course I could always get a decent a3 laser print & stick it on some hardboard
[11:32:00] Merlin83b: Could do, true.
[11:32:00] juski: hmmm... yeah I'll do that. then it's almost free
[11:32:00] juski: ;)
[11:33:00] juski: gotta love those Xerox colour document centre I can see from my desk :)
[11:33:00] Merlin83b: Does work have a decent printer?
[11:33:00] Merlin83b: Heh
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[11:33:00] juski: just thought.. "hmmm.. case decals..."
[11:35:00] juski: then just have to build another IR reciever, compile a custom kernel for LIRC serial to work.. sort an aerial out.. then I'm done
[11:35:00] Merlin83b: Heh, the thing's not 'til summer though, right?
[11:35:00] juski: true.. god how keen am I?
[11:37:00] juski: gonna see if I can borrow a display from here too.. just bought a 40" LCD for show work
[11:39:00] juski: hmmm.. mx4000 nvidia card.. know if they're any good?
[11:40:00] juski: £17 at a place down the road
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[12:13:00] Merlin83b: No idea I'm afraid.
[12:13:00] Merlin83b: Seriously out of touch with hardware these days.
[12:13:00] Merlin83b: And 40" LCD would be lovely :-)
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[12:50:00] juski: I might not be here then, but we'll see
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[13:47:00] juski: defaultro: you here?
[13:48:00] juski: looked at yesterday's archive & saw you'd commented about a problem with my theme I've never experienced
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[13:51:00] bjohnson: was researching yesterday without luck .. anyone know of a way to convert a PES file to something more common (like mpg)
[13:51:00] bjohnson: PES = satellite stream
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[13:52:00] juski: PES= program elementary stream... MPEGG
[13:52:00] juski: it's mpeg with some extra packets stuffed in there
[13:52:00] juski: demux & remux with projectX or similar
[13:56:00] bjohnson: projectX? I'll look into it
[13:56:00] bjohnson: what would be similar? I tried avidemux
[13:56:00] bjohnson: but I'm really looking for a small cli program
[13:56:00] juski: dunno
[13:57:00] stuarta: projectx has a cli, just requires a jvm
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[13:58:00] juski: defaultro: get yo' self in here or send me an email about what's wrong with my theme.. can't fix it if I don't know what's up can I?
[13:58:00] defaultro: hey
[13:58:00] defaultro: just woke up
[13:58:00] bjohnson: is PES the same as RAW?
[13:58:00] defaultro: the only problem is when i select Watch Recordings
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[13:59:00] defaultro: sometimes it takes 10 secs before it shows the program listing
[13:59:00] defaultro: last night it was only 4 secs
[13:59:00] defaultro: other themes is only 1 sec
[14:00:00] defaultro: i don't know why it's taking so long
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: bjohnson: You can look into the dvb-tools I tyhink it's called. It has several commandline tools from converting formats such as ts and pes to other forms
[14:01:00] GreyFoxx: Actually it's dvb-mpegtools
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[14:02:00] bjohnson: GreyFoxx: ok. I read about them yesterday but had trouble finding a download site
[14:03:00] juski: defaultro: never experienced that.. maybe it was because the theme's so graphically intensive. which version you running? wide or 4:3?
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[14:05:00] juski: and then, which version number? latest 4:3 is 1.7, latest 16:9 theme is 1.3
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[14:06:00] GreyFoxx: bjohnson: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/ there are two versions of it there. The 2 libdvb files
[14:06:00] juski: in either case there's no logical reason for the difference in loading times apart from the graphics.. in which case it should be fixed quite easily
[14:06:00] GreyFoxx: bjohnson: After you grab them I'll remove them
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[14:23:00] directhex|work: are there any companies other than that australian one selling pre-built MythTV machines?
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[14:27:00] juski: mythbox.co.uk
[14:27:00] juski: I reckon if you're not up to building one & installing the software yourself, you'd not stand a chance of fixing it if you ever had to
[14:28:00] GreyFoxx: directhex|work: Thre are a couple, not many
[14:28:00] stuarta: it's much more fun to build your own.
[14:29:00] rjune: there are instructions online for everything from hardware to use to distros
[14:29:00] bjohnson: GreyFoxx: got libdvb-0.5.5.1.tar.gz
[14:29:00] bjohnson: thnx
[14:30:00] GreyFoxx: bjohnson: Np
[14:30:00] bjohnson: directhex|work: I've bought a linux based IRD and am wondering what integration I can do with it
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[14:31:00] bjohnson: directhex|work: it's not meant to work with mythtv in it's current form, but it's a linux box with a sat tuner and an ethernet port .. should be possible
[14:31:00] bjohnson: mutant 200S at dgstationusa
[14:32:00] directhex|work: stuarta, i'm aware of that. i built mine, there's a few lines of my source in the myth svn repository. i was wondering, for an article i'm writing
[14:32:00] bjohnson: but if you're not up to building a mythtv box .. hacking at hardware likely isn't your idea of fun either
[14:32:00] stuarta: ahh
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[14:34:00] directhex|work: and much as it only partially uses myth, does anyone know aof any resellers of that "Pluto Home" kit?
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[14:36:00] bjohnson: GreyFoxx: looks like the libdvb files are mostly for controlling the tuner .. not converting files
[14:36:00] GreyFoxx: There is a directory in there called dvb-mpegtools
[14:38:00] bjohnson: hmm .. the README file in there refers to a pes2vid that sounds promising
[14:39:00] bjohnson: now I just need to figure out how to compile the code
[14:42:00] ivor: bjohnson: there used to be a util called dvbstream
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[14:53:00] bjohnson: ivor: that doesn't seem to handle files at all
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[14:55:00] stuarta: bjohnson: are you sure these are actually TS streams?
[14:55:00] bjohnson: GreyFoxx: any info on how to compile those dvbtools?
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[14:55:00] bjohnson: stuarta: I'm told they are not
[14:55:00] bjohnson: stuarta: I'm told they are PES files
[14:56:00] stuarta: named .ts to confuse?
[14:56:00] bjohnson: I tried a prog that I successfully used on a TS file and it wouldn't handle these
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[14:56:00] bjohnson: they aren't named .ts
[14:56:00] bjohnson: they don't have an extension
[14:56:00] GreyFoxx: bjohnson: I don't remember, it was a while back that I installed it
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: I just compiled it, all I had to do was edit config.mk and add a INCLUDE to the dvb kernel source includes ( in my case -I/usr/src/linux/include )
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[15:05:00] hans0lo: hello, I'm trying to run mythfrontend on MAC OS X, and the program starts, I can navigate the menu, however I cannot see any of my recorded programs listed, or live tv. any idea as to what is wrong?
[15:10:00] avhell: any chance anyone has any modelines for a 30" sony hd crt set?
[15:10:00] avhell: or any good refs on building the modeline for myself?
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[15:12:00] laga: avhell: there's a modeline database....
[15:12:00] laga: fu.
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[15:14:00] pld: sorry
[15:14:00] pld: yeah, i tried the modeline db, nothing worked for my set other than 720p timings...
[15:14:00] pld: and they were stil screwy
[15:14:00] pld: :\
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[15:14:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Got a link to it ?
[15:15:00] laga: GreyFoxx: i didn't finish my sentence since he /quit'ed. it's at wiki.mythtv.org
[15:15:00] pld: <-- avhell
[15:15:00] GreyFoxx: ahh
[15:15:00] pld: yeah, the db was helpful, with alot of timings
[15:16:00] pld: just wondering if i was way off base. 720p shows an image on my tv, but its out of whack something fierce...
[15:16:00] laga: pld: oh, sorry then ;)
[15:16:00] pld: :)
[15:16:00] pld: thx, though
[15:17:00] pld: so i changed up modelines, then just restarted X a few times
[15:17:00] pld: the 720p modes will show something, 1080i, 480p, 540p don't show anything at all
[15:17:00] pld: odd...
[15:21:00] darkdrgn2k: BTW for those ever wondering, i just compiled a patched X version with GATOS and my ati 7200 VE works like a dream!
[15:22:00] GreyFoxx: For capture or output ?
[15:23:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: tv out
[15:24:00] GreyFoxx: cool
[15:24:00] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: i wish they'd merge it into the X tree but :-S guess they didnt
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[15:26:00] cas: hi all
[15:26:00] cas: wiki search seems down :(
[15:27:00] cas: can anyone gimme a link with SVideo-> scart resolution possibilities for 16:9 ?
[15:28:00] darkdrgn2k: will a 700 mhz processor work well to do mpeg output?
[15:28:00] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: Assuming standard definition it should
[15:29:00] Merlin83b: cas: PAL or NTSC?
[15:29:00] cas: Currently i use 720x576 but I'm missing some width horizontally
[15:29:00] cas: Merlin83b: PAL
[15:29:00] Merlin83b: Resolutaion stays the same, cas. YOu just need your TV to stretch the image.
[15:30:00] cas: darkdrgn2k: I think it also depends on your videocard
[15:30:00] cas: Merlin83b: Yeah, allready doing that but still it don't fit correctly
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[15:30:00] darkdrgn2k: cas: radeon 7200 ve
[15:31:00] Merlin83b: cas: You have the resolution correct. Overscan and the like are the things you should look into.
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[15:32:00] cas: Merlin83b: tnx will take a look for that
[15:35:00] juski: cas: have you enabled overscan in your TV outputt?
[15:35:00] cas: juski: not yet :)
[15:35:00] Merlin83b: Bingo.
[15:35:00] Merlin83b: Do that :-)
[15:35:00] juski: ding!
[15:37:00] juski: and defaultro: if you don't tell me which version of my theme you've tried, or if you haven't tried a later version, I can't help I'm afraid. And nobody else has reported the issue you've had
[15:38:00] defaultro: hey
[15:38:00] defaultro: i think 1.2
[15:38:00] cas: I can only find options for Chrontel TV encoders, are these common used on nvidea cards?
[15:39:00] defaultro: juski, sometimes it's fast. Btw, it also happens when I select Program Guide
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[15:39:00] defaultro: I couldn't remmber the version since the filename doesn't say it
[15:40:00] defaultro: You might want to start putting the version number in the filename, ProjectGrayhem-wide.tar.bz2
[15:40:00] juski: defaultro: look in the README.txt file in the root of the theme directory
[15:40:00] GreyFoxx: cas: They use to be, but you shouldn't have to worry about the encoder chip. Assumign you use the Nvidia official driver you can control it in your X config or by using the nvidia-settings app
[15:40:00] juski: version number & changelog in there
[15:40:00] defaultro: it says, MythTV Project Grayhem Theme < < W I D E > > Beta 1.1
[15:41:00] juski: 1.1? now at 1.3. grab a newer version & see how that goes. I took a lot of big graphics out of it
[15:41:00] defaultro: where is the site again please?
[15:42:00] juski: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/
[15:42:00] defaultro: ok
[15:42:00] juski: it's moved ;)
[15:43:00] defaultro: it's prolly a font issue
[15:43:00] defaultro: it's my guess
[15:43:00] defaultro: do you have a howto to install Vera font
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[15:44:00] defaultro: I will check it tonight as I'm so in a hurry now
[15:44:00] defaultro: please IM me about Vera font installation
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[15:44:00] defaultro: Thanks juski
[15:44:00] defaultro: :D
[15:45:00] defaultro: IM, i mean, private message me :P
[15:45:00] salog: hi, i have a compilation with various artists. how can i listen to that compilation? mythtv spilts it up according to the artists and i m to lazy to sort them out again
[15:47:00] juski: defaultro: google for it: "vera font linux"
[15:48:00] juski: <afk>
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[16:00:00] salog: or in other words, how do i sort wrt album?
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[16:08:00] juski: salog: I'm about 1/3 the way thru re-tagging & sorting all my thousands of MP3s at home
[16:09:00] juski: so erm.. don't be lazy ;)
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[16:32:00] _willcooke_: juski, giving up on getting the file transfer to work with the myth protocol, don't understand why it doesn't work, it just doesnt. I'll knock up a dirty script to copy radio shows using cp and mv instead....
[16:32:00] juski: _willcooke_: :-( and :-)
[16:33:00] _willcooke_: hehe
[16:33:00] juski: btw the EIT patch cureth all mine ills :)
[16:33:00] _willcooke_: Ahh, sweet. I'll give that a go then!
[16:33:00] stuarta: juski: that the one GreyFoxx whipped up?
[16:34:00] ** Merlin83b *heart* GreyFoxx's patches **
[16:34:00] _willcooke_: Oh, BTW – has your car ever beeped at you to tell you theres something wrong with the engine temp. when you start it on cold days?
[16:34:00] juski: _willcooke_: yup
[16:34:00] _willcooke_: good!!!
[16:34:00] directhex|work: my car just doesn't start on cold days
[16:34:00] juski: has to be frickin cold though
[16:35:00] directhex|work: in fact, the battery dies, and the clock resets, if i try to start it on a cold day
[16:35:00] juski: like sub zero for mine tto beep
[16:35:00] _willcooke_: I thought mine was going mad, then I looked on seatcupra.net and there's a few other people
[16:35:00] directhex|work: where cold is <15c
[16:35:00] directhex|work: stupid car
[16:35:00] ivor: <15c isn't a cold day! sheesh. :)
[16:35:00] _willcooke_: brrrrrr!
[16:35:00] directhex|work: it is as far as my car's concerned
[16:36:00] juski: _willcooke_: how hard will it be to change a roll bar rubber thingy?
[16:36:00] stuarta: what was it in moscow last week? -38c???
[16:36:00] directhex|work: then again, this is a car whose "help, engine about to explode" light turns on at >65MPH
[16:36:00] laga: stuarta: -60 centigrades
[16:36:00] juski: passed its MOT on saturday, but was advised of wear on the rollbar rubbery thingies
[16:36:00] juski: fskin speedbumps
[16:36:00] stuarta: didn't think it made it that low :)
[16:37:00] _willcooke_: juski, in the engine bay, or underneath? should be a case of undoing the bolts on both ends taking it off and refitting. if it's at the top of the engine, easy, underneath, pita
[16:37:00] stuarta: juski: they always say that's wrong with a car
[16:37:00] _willcooke_: juski, Don't suppose you want to by a cupra do you?
[16:38:00] stuarta: not enough to put you off the road, enough to make you spend money.
[16:38:00] _willcooke_: s/by/buy
[16:38:00] _willcooke_: yeah, funny that they /always/ find a little something wrong.
[16:38:00] _willcooke_: or top up your washer fluid and charge you a tenner
[16:39:00] _willcooke_: regardless of whether its full already or not
[16:39:00] juski: _willcooke_: they didn't say.. and btw you offerred me the Cupra a while ago.. I'm gonna need a more efficient car before the year's out never mind a more powerful one
[16:39:00] ivor: yeah, last time I took mine in it needed a new gearbox, new supercharger new front suspension and new hubs. :)
[16:39:00] stuarta: a long list of rude words comes to mind.
[16:39:00] ivor: perhaps I should drive it more "sensitively"
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[16:39:00] ** stuarta *rofl* **
[16:40:00] juski: gonna be spending a month per year in my car from about aug/sept
[16:40:00] _willcooke_: juski, :) Same problem here. Moving 25 miles from work, and at 45quid for 300 miles, I'm gonna need a diesel
[16:40:00] juski: 30 miles, so that's 90 mins travelling I reckon :-/
[16:40:00] juski: each way
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[16:41:00] ** juski gets about 450 miles to a tank and wonders what he could get if he drove more like a vicar **
[16:41:00] stuarta: irate drivers behind him?
[16:42:00] ivor: used to get all the way up to 9mpg some days too.
[16:42:00] stuarta: there is a red line on the taco for a reason :-)
[16:42:00] _willcooke_: 9?? Ooof!
[16:43:00] _willcooke_: stuarta, that's a target isn't it?
[16:43:00] ivor: 0.4 was the lowest IIRC
[16:43:00] ivor: or was it 0.2
[16:43:00] stuarta: yep, only way to get a crap car to go.
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[16:44:00] Niklas_E: is there anything missing if you get this? QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[16:44:00] stuarta: qt-mysql library.
[16:45:00] Niklas_E: tnx
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[16:49:00] mlehrer: i am using MythVideo with the "Internal" option, but it is not deinterlacing even though I selected that in the mythtv setup
[16:49:00] mlehrer: does mythvideo not use those settings?
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[17:03:00] Majestic12: attach irc://irc.us.freenode.net/#rubyonrails
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[17:03:00] Merlin83b: No thanks.
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[17:23:00] juski: lordy.. got a gigabyte motherboard that's not seeing a 500GB disk.. works on my ide drive tester
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[17:29:00] bryan225: Does knoopmyth have kde???
[17:30:00] Icemaann: has anyone seen this with a pvr-150 (in dmesg): "warning: 1000 ms time out waiting for firmware"?
[17:30:00] Icemaann: the firmware is loaded, but it fails trying to read the version back
[17:31:00] juski: Icemaann: try in the ivtv-dev channel
[17:31:00] Icemaann: ahh, thanks
[17:31:00] bryan225: Does knoopmyth have kde???
[17:32:00] juski: probably. try reading their docs
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[17:42:00] bryan225: I see my music and videos by mounting nfs Can u use samba and if so How
[17:44:00] juski: google for a sambaa howto for your distro
[17:44:00] juski: nfs is easier to set up imho
[17:44:00] bryan225: I know how to use Samba
[17:45:00] bryan225: my question never mounted a Sama share except using SMB4 but would like no know the coommand line so I can edit the FSTAb file of course nfs is fine just would like to know
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[17:48:00] juski: could've googled it by now
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[17:52:00] bryan225: well ok I came to this irc to expedite as others do andf I am multitasking Yes I can google Most of what I have learned about computers wqas obtained from googling
[17:54:00] juski: my answer was cryptic for : "I've never done it but I know it's a single line in fstab.. shouldn't take long to find out"
[17:54:00] juski: ;)
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[17:56:00] bryan225: yes I agree juski
[17:58:00] bryan225: Juski without have a haupage card am using Leadteck winfast cx88 card is there a way to compress rtecording 2 hours is like 9 gigs
[17:58:00] juski: transcode
[17:58:00] bryan225: whats the output??
[17:59:00] juski: I really wish these folks would stop putting 'win' in the names of their products
[17:59:00] juski: mpeg4 by default
[17:59:00] bryan225: and can u transcode from the onset or only after the recording is complete
[17:59:00] juski: when it's complete
[17:59:00] bryan225: yes So I still need a descent amount of space for the intial recordings
[18:00:00] juski: actually I think you can record in mpeg4 if you have enough grunt in the CPU area
[18:00:00] bryan225: from the onset how?
[18:00:00] juski: look in the default recording profile.. it's rtjpeg by default
[18:00:00] bryan225: yes
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[18:01:00] bryan225: Have u ever tries u probaly have an encoder card
[18:01:00] juski: I only messed with software encoding for about an hour before dumping it
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[18:01:00] juski: quality was pretty shitty in rtjpeg. before that I was used to DVB recordings
[18:02:00] juski: and now with my pvr150 I get very good quality even thru its composite input
[18:02:00] bryan225: Tell me juski Debain and MythTv it guts KDE doesnt it??
[18:02:00] juski: you can choose your own desktop environment
[18:03:00] juski: if you're only gonna be using mythtv on the machine go for a mmuch lighter desktop / window manager
[18:03:00] juski: ratpoison etc
[18:03:00] bryan225: i put it on Kanotix hard drive from apt-get gutted kde to icewm which was fine Hard now to find sources.list for mythtv debain
[18:03:00] juski: got a test machine using ubuntu.. got mythtv going in less than 2 hours from a blank HDD
[18:04:00] bryan225: yes ubuntu and mandrake seem conducive
[18:04:00] bryan225: fedora4 is sweet
[18:04:00] bryan225: kse no problem
[18:04:00] juski: my main system uses gentoo.. I won't be using that again.. not that it's bad or aything – just takes too long to build
[18:04:00] bryan225: kde
[18:05:00] mlehrer: ubuntu rocks
[18:05:00] juski: FC4 and mythtv aren't the best of bed fellows these days, so I hear
[18:05:00] bryan225: I want MythTv on my Kanotix with kde
[18:05:00] mlehrer: gentoo hugs balls
[18:05:00] bryan225: Im running myth on FC4 great really
[18:05:00] juski: everything to do with distro comments is a matter of opinion and nothing else
[18:05:00] mlehrer: nope it's a fact 8^)
[18:05:00] juski: so you reckon
[18:06:00] mlehrer: yeah you are right though of course
[18:06:00] juski: I nevver get drawn into the religious side of linux. life's too short
[18:06:00] bryan225: well its really fast and Myth is good a tweak on the fonts was necessary
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[18:06:00] mlehrer: i am usually able to avoid it, but gentoo is too bad of an idea... they could have just made modifications to dpkg to allow easier make options
[18:06:00] mlehrer: instead of wasting time on a new distro
[18:07:00] juski: my minimyth box is pretty rapid.. my gentoo box is pretty fast.. and the ubuntu box ain't bad either for the CPU it has
[18:08:00] bryan225: Juski interesting when I installed knoppmyth with lilo and had grub it didnt boot from lilo So I edited the grub menu.lst and was able to boot it from grub
[18:08:00] mlehrer: ubuntu has done such a good job with the install
[18:08:00] juski: gentoo users have the option of using binaries, but there sadly aren't that many available
[18:08:00] mlehrer: it has worked so well on weird laptops & also weird server hardware that fc4 & debian choked on
[18:08:00] mlehrer: plus the hd2000 card
[18:08:00] juski: YMMV with any distro you try on any given machine
[18:11:00] bryan225: anyone know any good sources.list for Debain???
[18:11:00] bryan225: Mythtv sources
[18:11:00] bryan225: otwo reposiories stopped maintaining
[18:12:00] juski: isn't it all in multiverse?
[18:13:00] bryan225: no
[18:13:00] juski: dunno then
[18:14:00] bryan225: I mean unless u compile each prerqusite which takes alot of time
[18:14:00] juski: yep
[18:14:00] juski: maybe time to switch distros til they buck their ideas up then
[18:15:00] bryan225: why cant they make source that has all the perequistes compliles at once
[18:17:00] bryan225: Hmm having a small problem my tv guide mot showing on one frontend????
[18:17:00] mlehrer: bryan225: you can try the marillat sources, i'm not sure how compatible they are with ubuntu
[18:18:00] bryan225: mariilat didnt work I added them when searched mythtv not there are they still maintaining
[18:20:00] bryan225: Hmm having problem one frontend not seeing program guide anyone encounter that??
[18:20:00] mlehrer: not sure, it's been a few months since i used them
[18:21:00] bryan225: the program guide is independented of mounts why would it now show up on a remote frontend???
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[18:27:00] juski: mysql permisssions?
[18:28:00] juski: permissions, even
[18:28:00] juski: anyway.. hometime
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[18:30:00] mlehrer: permissions are easy to deal with: chmod -R a+rwx,u+s,o+t /
[18:30:00] mlehrer: (note for newbs, don't actually do this)
[18:30:00] laga: that's not mysql permissions
[18:31:00] bryan225: weI dont think its permisiion for it shows tv guid on livecd noy hd install weired'
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[19:01:00] Rux: i'm running fc4 x86_64 and am getting a problem with "cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: freshrpms" where can i get an rpm for mythtv?
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[19:13:00] Kelerion: Beirdo: you about?
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[19:17:00] Kelerion: any idea whats going on here? http://pastebin.com/521024
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[19:20:00] Niklas_E: where do you find qt-mysql so I can compile and install it?
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[19:21:00] kormoc: Niklas_E, it's part of qt
[19:21:00] kormoc: Niklas_E, you need to compile qt with mysql support
[19:21:00] Niklas_E: okey
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[19:25:00] Kelerion: it's ok – figured it out
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[19:28:00] dtm: does anyone here use the macos frontend? mine crashes upon any playback
[19:28:00] ** dtm generates a report **
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[19:32:00] dtm: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aPbyxh97.html
[19:33:00] dtm: that was just me hittting Watch TV twice. it always gives the ringbuffer error first and immediately returns to the menu. then it waits to fill the ringbuffer and crashes.
[19:33:00] dtm: it makes a about 3 or 4 blips of audio, a black video screen, and crashes
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[19:37:00] metalac: anyway to seperate myth Music section from mythtv?
[19:37:00] metalac: what I want is to run MythTV on my tv, but have music portion of mythTV always be on a small lcd
[19:37:00] metalac: where it's easily accessible
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[19:42:00] Kelerion: I don't think it can be seperated
[19:42:00] Kelerion: just run two frontends
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[19:42:00] metalac: i guess it shouldn't tax my system too much?
[19:42:00] metalac: as long as i got plenty of ram i assume
[19:42:00] Kelerion: nah
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[19:43:00] metalac: oh and I assume I can run MythTV without a tunner? i don't have one yet but i will buy pvr500 next month
[19:43:00] Kelerion: yup
[19:43:00] kormoc: sure, can't record tv, of course, but it doesn't care
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[19:44:00] irpyC: ho ya du monde ici
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[19:44:00] metalac: sounds good thnx for the help
[19:44:00] Kelerion: no problem
[19:45:00] Kelerion: I can't believe it.. It looks like I'm actually going to have a successful nuvexport-mpeg2 cut.. lol
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[19:45:00] ** Kelerion hopes he didn't speak to soon **
[19:46:00] metalac: oh is there anything that needs to be done to enable nvidia's Mpeg2 acceleration? no flags to be passed or special setting for X?
[19:46:00] GreyFoxx: metalac: Support must be compiled into the myth binarys and you have to explicitly turn on XvMC in the TV Playback settings
[19:47:00] dana2: has to go today 1 alienware laptop 1 alienware desktop. price 500 each includes shipping and carry case for the laptop or monitor/keyboard/mouse for the desktop. message me if your interested at mcsltd1@hotmail.com , or ogd443 on aim or mcsltd2 on yahoo messenger. these MUST go today!
[19:47:00] dana2: has to go today 1 alienware laptop 1 alienware desktop. price 500 each includes shipping and carry case for the laptop or monitor/keyboard/mouse for the desktop. message me if your interested at mcsltd1@hotmail.com , or ogd443 on aim or mcsltd2 on yahoo messenger. these MUST go today!
[19:47:00] laga: dana2: stfu
[19:47:00] GreyFoxx: dana2: Go away
[19:47:00] kormoc: dana2, don't spam the channel
[19:47:00] kormoc: dana2, I'll give you $1 each, and you pay shipping.
[19:48:00] metalac: GreyFoxx: sounds good
[19:48:00] metalac: btw anybody knows if next version is horizon, any cool features worth the wait?
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[19:48:00] kormoc: cool features, sure, lots of them
[19:49:00] dtm: kormoc: hi.
[19:49:00] kormoc: mornin' dtm
[19:49:00] dtm: kormoc: yessir
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[19:49:00] Kelerion: k-lined.. excellent :)
[19:49:00] dtm: \o/
[19:50:00] metalac: kormoc: any details?
[19:50:00] dtm: Kelerion: i'm not sure why mythfrontend would say this considering that it's just mpeg2 video and mp3 audio "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: rbuf://10.1.1.215:6543/mnt/store//ringbuf1.nuv"
[19:50:00] dtm: er whoops i meant to say 'kormoc'  ;)
[19:50:00] dtm: BUT HEY.
[19:50:00] GreyFoxx: metalac: the next release is "soon"
[19:50:00] dtm: we do our best.
[19:50:00] kormoc: metalac, look at the list yourself. svn.mythtv.org under roadmap
[19:51:00] dtm: it always does that the first time i do 'watch tv' and the second time, it blips a little audio out with a black screen and crashes
[19:51:00] kormoc: dtm, hrm.
[19:51:00] kormoc: that's really odd... recorded tv works?
[19:51:00] dtm: kormoc: no.
[19:51:00] dtm: same thing
[19:52:00] dtm: it's like there's a codec problem or something. but i can play the very same stream in vlc.
[19:52:00] dtm: kormoc: here's my log http://rafb.net/paste/results/aPbyxh97.html
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[19:52:00] whyz: what's ringbuf1.nuv?
[19:53:00] kormoc: it's the live tv buffer
[19:53:00] dtm: kormoc: doesn't mythfrontend use tcp 6543 to stream the video? or does it have to be available via nfs?
[19:53:00] kormoc: it uses tcp/ip via port 6543
[19:53:00] kormoc: but
[19:53:00] kormoc: line 28 looks like a issue
[19:54:00] dtm: kormoc: k
[19:54:00] dtm: kormoc: does everything else look acceptable?
[19:54:00] whyz: kormoc, ok.. hm, better do something about something.. it just filled up my harddrive, and i haven't even paused the tv
[19:54:00] kormoc: dtm, everything before that line, aye
[19:55:00] kormoc: well, other then the decoder line
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: whyz: the ringbuffer is filled during the entire time you watch livetv, not just after you press pause
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: You can configure how large it will grow in your settings
[19:55:00] dtm: kormoc: k
[19:55:00] whyz: GreyFoxx, and i presume there's some option to change that
[19:55:00] whyz: thanks
[19:55:00] whyz: :)
[19:55:00] whyz: i will
[19:55:00] kormoc: dtm, I'd say you're gonna need to play with gdb and a lot of time to track that one down
[19:55:00] dtm: :[
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[19:56:00] dtm: kormoc: oohhh i wonder if it's using altivec.
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[19:56:00] dtm: kormoc: that'd be illegal on a g3.
[19:56:00] dtm: kormoc: i set it to disable altivec but it might have some hardcoded.
[19:59:00] dtm: Beirdo: hi there. if you're the one on http://mythtv.beirdo.ca, do you have a G3 (non-altivec) build of mythfrontend?
[19:59:00] Kelerion: well bugger.. the mpeg2 cut worked.. and the picture is very nice.. except it stutters the video every second... hmph
[19:59:00] dtm: kormoc: http://smuckola.org/etc/mythfrontend.bin.crash.log that does mention an illegal instruction
[20:02:00] kormoc: if you can figure out what op 0xc91a3a00 is, you'd likely have your answer
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[20:28:00] adwi2: Anyone else notice that their backend has started consuming a lot more CPU lately?
[20:29:00] GreyFoxx: not here
[20:29:00] adwi2: Hmm. Mine eats 15–20% CPU even at rest now, previously it consumed a max of 7%, during playback.
[20:30:00] Caveman: what are you using to check usage?
[20:30:00] GreyFoxx: adwi2: try running it with -v all to see what it's doing during the "idle" time ?
[20:30:00] adwi2: sounds like a plan
[20:30:00] sona: I'm wondering about the swap, is it possible to swap to ram instead ?
[20:30:00] adwi2: I'm using top to check usage
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[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: sona: huh ?
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[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: You swap out to the HD when you are out of ram
[20:31:00] adwi2: Linux is not like windows : it doesn't pointlessly swap to disk
[20:31:00] sona: I'm talking about mythtv
[20:31:00] GreyFoxx: You said swap, so I assume you meant swap :)
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: Are you talking about the livetv ringbuffer ?
[20:32:00] dtm: sona: swap is the absence of ram. so if you had more ram, you'd use it instead of swapping.
[20:32:00] sona: cant come up with a good word for the livetv stream in store/
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: buffer/ringbuffer
[20:32:00] sona: yes, possible to use ram instead of hdd for the bufferfile ?
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: No
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: nothing within myth to do that
[20:33:00] sona: damn
[20:33:00] adwi2: In pre tv-chain myth, yes
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: you could if you had gobs and gobs of ram you don;'t mind wasting make a large ramdisk and have livetv write to that
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: but that is not an option in current svn code
[20:33:00] adwi2: You could mount a RAM disk and use that to hold the ringbuffer, not that you'd want to
[20:33:00] sona: yes that would be something
[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: I don't see a real benefit to it
[20:34:00] adwi2: Yeah, current code just records *everything* the same way
[20:34:00] sona: my hdd has alot of sound and ram is faster
[20:34:00] adwi2: The LiveTV programs just get expired faster
[20:34:00] adwi2: HDD speed is not an issue with TV datastream sizes
[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: you wont get a very perceivable boost, but you will use up more ram :)
[20:35:00] sona: switching channels is now very slow...
[20:35:00] adwi2: DVB, or analogue?
[20:36:00] sona: dvb
[20:36:00] kormoc: sona, hdparm has a setting to quiet down harddrives if they support it
[20:36:00] adwi2: Yeah, some drives have a "quiet" operation mode
[20:36:00] adwi2: Although it only reduces "rattle" and not "hum"
[20:36:00] GreyFoxx: sona: That is not really related to the speed of the drive. The card, and code buffer a certain amount before they start displaying
[20:36:00] sona: ok I'll look in to that
[20:37:00] GreyFoxx: and most people report (myself included) improved cghannel change times in the new livetv code
[20:37:00] Baylink: Beirdo?
[20:37:00] sona: ok, still using 0.18 here
[20:37:00] adwi2: hdparm -M is the switch that controls acoustic mode
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[20:38:00] adwi2: If you are still using .18 you could do the ram / ringbuffer thing
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[20:38:00] adwi2: I used to keep the ringbuffer on a seperate partition, that reduces fragmentation and makes keeps the "rattle" to a minimum
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[20:39:00] afm: most people that have learning remotes...are they using them via the IR on their tuner cards or mobo/chassis IR?
[20:40:00] GreyFoxx: Neither here, the one learning IR remote I use I have trained to use my IR Keyboard signals
[20:41:00] afm: link?
[20:42:00] adwi2: I had to patch the kernel to get my remote to work.....
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: Pardon ?
[20:42:00] afm: links to your remotes?
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[20:42:00] adwi2: I'm just using the one that came with my card ; Win-TV Nova-T PCI
[20:42:00] GreyFoxx: The one I just mentioned is just some Generic philips learning remote I bought years ago for $15CDN
[20:43:00] afm: and i'm sure this is asked all the time, but having a hard time deciphering the hauppauge products...Retail/MCE/OEM
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[20:43:00] GreyFoxx: My other remote is an RF remote so I don't use IR with it to control that frontend
[20:43:00] adwi2: My Linux using buddies at work were in despair ; I actually got a patch into the Linux kernel........ they're just jealous :-)
[20:44:00] md10md: has anyone successfully used the Leadtek 6200tc TDH in mythtv (specifically in knoppmyth)?
[20:45:00] md10md: the one available here – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814122222
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[20:46:00] md10md: anyone?
[20:47:00] GreyFoxx: not I, on both counts
[20:48:00] md10md: crap, it looks like a great card (no fan and component output) but I can't find anyone who's got it working successfully
[20:48:00] GreyFoxx: Why do you think it wouldn't work?
[20:48:00] md10md: It's supported in the latest nvidia drivers but I've heard reports of it conflicting with x
[20:49:00] md10md: I suppose it's worth a try but I'd like to prevent the hastle if it's impossible to get working
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: I suppose it could be an issue if you are running bleeding edge X
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: but honestlyt I would be suprised if it didn't work
[20:49:00] GreyFoxx: but of course it's your money, not mine :)
[20:49:00] md10md: hmmm... well that's encouraging
[20:49:00] Cardoe: hey kormoc
[20:49:00] md10md: for only $65 I might as well try it
[20:50:00] md10md: I'm currently running a ti4600 with an 80mm fan propped up next to it because the main HS fan died
[20:50:00] md10md: so... I need something
[20:50:00] kormoc: Cardoe, so I tried mythdvd last night and it wasn't there, so I opened my screen section where it should have compiled, and it failed to compile
[20:51:00] Cardoe: hmm
[20:51:00] Cardoe: remember the error?
[20:52:00] Cardoe: sorry I've been so MIA lately.
[20:52:00] Cardoe: new girlfriend
[20:52:00] Cardoe: I spend time with her rather then working on Gentoo.
[20:52:00] GreyFoxx: Never apologize for having a life :)
[20:53:00] Cardoe: a female body is a terrible thing to waste. o:)
[20:53:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[20:53:00] kormoc: hehe, tis okay
[20:54:00] ** GreyFoxx watches myth compile for the 10th time today **
[20:54:00] kormoc: Cardoe, /usr/portage/eclass/mythtv-plugins.eclass: line 21: cd: /tmp/portage/mythvideo-0.19_pre8642/work/mythplugins-0.19_pre8642: No such file or directory
[20:54:00] kormoc: sed: can't read settings.pro: No such file or directory
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[20:55:00] kormoc: Cardoe, now, there is a mythplugins dir in work/ just without the version tacked onto it
[20:56:00] Cardoe: oh
[20:56:00] Cardoe: I forgot to override S
[20:56:00] kormoc: heh, tis okay, I just havn't had time to fix it myself
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[20:59:00] md10md: hmmm... GreyFoxx this one is $10 cheaper and looks basically the same – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203
[21:00:00] sPiN: what are we shopping for?
[21:00:00] md10md: I'm trying to decide if that card or this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814122222) would work well in mythtv
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[21:01:00] kormoc: md10md, eather are good cards
[21:01:00] kormoc: MSI si a good company too
[21:01:00] md10md: have you heard that they both work in mythtv?
[21:01:00] sPiN: md10md: you dont need all that for myth
[21:01:00] md10md: heh well it makes it all easier
[21:01:00] kormoc: sPiN, hdtv works well with it
[21:01:00] md10md: awesome
[21:01:00] kormoc: md10md, any nvidia card should work wonderfully in myth
[21:01:00] sPiN: ohh doing hdtv eh
[21:02:00] kormoc: sPiN, donno if he is or not, but it's a upgrade proof thought
[21:02:00] sPiN: if you are just looking for a tvout, i got a $35 geforce 4MX that works great, but no dvi
[21:02:00] md10md: well I've got the hdtv but I was originally thinking of getting that Audio Authority 9A60 vga>component convertor but it's really expensive
[21:02:00] md10md: HDTV with a $55 card sounds like a great deal
[21:02:00] kormoc: no dvi inputs to your tv?
[21:02:00] md10md: nope
[21:02:00] kormoc: that's craptactular
[21:02:00] md10md: old 4:3 hdtv projection
[21:03:00] sPiN: thats not hdtv then md10md
[21:03:00] md10md: bought it right before they started flooding the market
[21:03:00] kormoc: yeah, that's not hdtv
[21:03:00] md10md: no no it is
[21:03:00] md10md: not a projector
[21:03:00] md10md: rear projection hdtv
[21:03:00] kormoc: 4:3 isn't hdtv
[21:03:00] md10md: well... I guess not technically
[21:03:00] sPiN: you just have a regular old tv there md10md
[21:03:00] kormoc: you have a big screen tv :)
[21:03:00] md10md: but it does the 1080i vertical resolution
[21:04:00] md10md: It's hidef, not widescreen I know
[21:04:00] kormoc: oh wait, 1080i is 4:3
[21:04:00] md10md: well it can be afaik
[21:04:00] md10md: I know it's an HDTV
[21:04:00] kormoc: 1920x1080
[21:04:00] md10md: yea, let me go get the model number
[21:04:00] md10md: toshiba something
[21:05:00] sPiN: its not an hdtv unless it does 16:9
[21:05:00] sPiN: and 1080i is an hdtv spec
[21:05:00] md10md: toshiba 53HX71
[21:05:00] md10md: http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=53hx71
[21:06:00] kormoc: Aspect Ratio 16:9 • 4:3 Enhanced
[21:06:00] sPiN: yeah that does 16:9 according to this
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[21:07:00] md10md: It's not a widescreen shape obviously
[21:07:00] md10md: but that is an hdtv
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[21:07:00] md10md: But I agree it does suck that there's no dvi or hdmi
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[21:07:00] md10md: guess no hd-dvd or bluray for me...
[21:08:00] md10md: so is there anything I should worry about when I pop in either one of those 6200's
[21:09:00] sPiN: yea, getting tvout to work can be a real bitch on linux!
[21:09:00] md10md: that's what I'm worried about
[21:09:00] md10md: It was easy enough with regular s-video on my ti4600
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[21:09:00] md10md: but i'm worried about messing up the modelines and screwing the tv
[21:10:00] sPiN: i have a geforce 6600GT as agp as my main card, running dual monitors, then i bought a pci g4MX for a dedicated tvout card, and getting all 3 screens going at once was a real PITA
[21:10:00] metalac: md10md: use xvidtune to get the correct values
[21:11:00] sPiN: you basically just have to get really familiar with your xorg.conf
[21:11:00] kormoc: sPiN, ooh? I run tripple head just fine, without any issues
[21:11:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:11:00] md10md: do that after I install it and install drivers right?
[21:11:00] sPiN: kormoc: doing it will multi cards is the tricky part
[21:12:00] sPiN: lots of people have written up how to do it with a single card, doing it with multi cards is MUCH harder to find
[21:12:00] metalac: sPiN: you just have to keep the card sepearte in x-config and setup the screens correctly for each
[21:12:00] sPiN: any of you guys have a good solution for swtiching between server layouts in your xorg.conf?
[21:13:00] metalac: sPiN: I've got 2 cards in current system one is hooked to TV, monitor and another to small lcd
[21:13:00] sPiN: yeah i could do it again pretty easily, but that first time there is a lot of things that can go wrong and it is a lot of trial and error
[21:13:00] md10md: is there any chance of messing up my tv if I just plug in the card and boot up with the component cables connected?
[21:14:00] sPiN: actually my setup is still not perfect, my dual screens are now one giant desktop with the kicker going across both screen and then another display driver running on just the tv, i dont like that when i hit maximize on an browser it goes across both my monitors instead of just one
[21:14:00] metalac: md10md: nah not that I can see. the LCD module I have was brutalizied when it came to that and it still works fie
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[21:15:00] md10md: ouch, well hopefully nothing will happen
[21:15:00] sPiN: if i dont have the server layout going with the tv, and im just using the dual monitors, the nvidia twinview stuff works like i want it to, with a big desktop, but kicker is only on one screen and if i maximize it will just take up the screen it is on, not both
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[21:16:00] md10md: btw one last thing can anyone find any reason why I should choose that leadtek 6200 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203) for $55
[21:16:00] metalac: sPiN: i think you have to setup the screens better, all that "leftof" "rightof" "clone" type of stuff
[21:17:00] sPiN: metalac: hrmm yeah i think you might have something there
[21:17:00] kormoc: http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf <-- my tripple head setup
[21:18:00] metalac: md10md: MSI looks better since it's clocked at 400mhz as opposed to 350 on leadtek, otherwise it's the same card
[21:18:00] kormoc: which is easy to expand to quad super easy
[21:18:00] metalac: sPiN: you might want to read the NVIDIA's docs, they have a beatuiful section about multiple scrrens
[21:18:00] Juski: not that the clock rate will make any difference with a mythtv setup ;)
[21:19:00] sPiN: like on the website somewhere or the readme that comes with drivers or what?
[21:19:00] md10md: hmm... they both look like their core clocks are at 350Mhz
[21:19:00] metalac: Juski: true, but if he decieds to game it might
[21:19:00] md10md: but I guess I'll go with the MSI anyway
[21:19:00] sPiN: my 6600GT is a leadtek and i love it!
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[21:19:00] sPiN: got great reviews on newegg
[21:19:00] Juski: games? on PCs? who'd have thunk it?
[21:19:00] md10md: heh well the msi's has no reviews but it's $10 cheaper
[21:19:00] metalac: md10md: you're right i was looking at ramdac, sorrry :)
[21:19:00] md10md: yea np
[21:20:00] metalac: md10md: my opinion is these are cheap cards, used for kicking around so just get the cheapest one you can
[21:20:00] md10md: That MSI just appeared in the store though, I think it's relatively new
[21:20:00] md10md: yea
[21:20:00] md10md: I'll go with that one
[21:20:00] Chutt: clock speed is tied directly to how fast it can do xvmc.
[21:21:00] md10md: btw I have an athlon 2000+ I'm not going to be outputting any HDTV files (just have basic cable) but should that be enough?
[21:21:00] metalac: Chutt: true but they all can do 480 noproblem and none can do HD, so it doesn't matter
[21:21:00] metalac: i mean you have to go with 7800 to do HD
[21:21:00] Chutt: the 6200 can do hd fine.
[21:21:00] md10md: sweet, thanks alot guys
[21:21:00] metalac: Chutt: 1080?
[21:21:00] Chutt: uh, yes?
[21:21:00] md10md: it says it does
[21:22:00] metalac: hmmmmm
[21:22:00] md10md: well I'll try it
[21:22:00] md10md: thanks, cya
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[21:23:00] metalac: oh i just noticed that
[21:23:00] metalac: i thought it was the 7000
[21:23:00] metalac: i gues 7000 are the ones that do mpeg4
[21:23:00] Chutt: the 5200 can generally do hd mpeg2 fine
[21:24:00] kormoc: yeah, my 5200 can do hd mpeg2 1080i just fine
[21:24:00] Chutt: if by mpeg4 you mean h264, you don't need a 7800 to do 1080i
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[21:24:00] Chutt: in windows, of course.
[21:25:00] metalac: Chutt: no i mean wm9 and that stuff
[21:25:00] Chutt: that's not mpeg4 :p
[21:25:00] Chutt: and again, the 6600's fine for that at hd resolutions
[21:25:00] metalac: i know it's not mpeg4 but mpeg4 and wm9 get used together when reviewers talk about capabilities of 7000 series
[21:26:00] metalac: so i'm trying to figure out what the real deal is
[21:26:00] Chutt: ati's the one that scales decoding performance more based on the part
[21:27:00] metalac: well eitherway i doubt 1080 will do anything for me since TVs are wayyyy too pricy
[21:27:00] kormoc: watch 1080i on your computer!
[21:27:00] metalac: kormoc: in my living room? on 19" screen? :)
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[21:28:00] metalac: it just kills the whole idea of HD
[21:28:00] kormoc: sure! Tis how I watch tv
[21:28:00] metalac: there is really no point on that size
[21:28:00] metalac: watching it from 10 feet away you won't know difference between 1080 and 720
[21:29:00] kormoc: I'm not 10 foor away :)
[21:29:00] wylie: [I think you definately notice the difference]
[21:30:00] metalac: oh well sitting in front of it should work, but that's far from the real experience of kicking back on the couch and watching TV
[21:30:00] kormoc: my couch is in front of my computer, so it all works :)
[21:30:00] metalac: wylie: you want to tell me that your eye is good enough to pick up those small details from a large distance?
[21:30:00] wylie: from 10ft, yes. but I agree. I wouldn't watch TV on the couch from 10ft for a 19" view. For that, I have a 50" plasma.
[21:31:00] metalac: i mean i do a lot of photography work and the only reason why somebody would shoot on a 4x5 film is to have a very large picture that can be enjoyed from 10–20 feet away
[21:32:00] metalac: you buy 35mm film when you know you'll be looking at the small picture from only a couple feet away
[21:32:00] metalac: so if you made a 8x10 of both there would be no difference unless you put you face to the paper
[21:32:00] metalac: assuming you used high quality film
[21:33:00] kormoc: when I did photo stuff, I could tell the difference from a reasonable difference away from a 8x10 shot
[21:33:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:33:00] kormoc: one just looks... cleaner
[21:34:00] metalac: possibly due to chemicals and film make
[21:34:00] metalac: if you look at the grain you'll see what im talking about
[21:34:00] kormoc: sure, but that's not the point.
[21:35:00] kormoc: if a 4x5 looks cleaner then a 35mm when both are printed up at 8x10, it's still a difference
[21:35:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
[21:35:00] metalac: sure 4x5 has a much tighter grain, but grain on 35mm doesn't becomes visible only few inches from apper
[21:36:00] kormoc: I'm not saying I could see more from the 4x5, but it would just appear cleaner, and that is a good thing
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[21:37:00] metalac: well i've shot a lot of them and I have yet to find a reason to use 4x5 for 8x10 papers
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[21:44:00] xris: kormoc: grain depends a lot on light, film speed, etc., too
[21:44:00] kormoc: very true
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[21:51:00] afm: hauppauge 350 worth the extra money compared to the 150? speaking about none MCE cards specifically
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[21:59:00] xris: afm: do you NEED hardware accelerated video out?
[21:59:00] bryan225: I added firefix to fluxbox works well
[21:59:00] bryan225: bryan225 One issue every time I rebboot have to run alsaconf is that a bug????
[22:00:00] afm: see thats the thing....i'm looking at all the specs including hauppauge.com and I can't find anything mentioning the video out...cept a couple reviews
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[22:02:00] xris: afm: 350 has video out, 150 doesn't
[22:02:00] xris: that's the difference
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[22:03:00] xris: well, and 150 is newer, has better comb filter and other such things.
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[22:03:00] xris: imho, 350 was never worth the money unless you were running on like a 500mhz p3 that couldn't decode mpeg2
[22:04:00] afm: worth using as oopposed to a geforce4 mx4000 64mb PCI
[22:04:00] Rule: I have a 350 and like it much better than the 150 and 500
[22:04:00] afm: ah, ok...so a retail non MCE 150 will do the trick nicely
[22:04:00] Rule: the picture is clearer... dont ask me why
[22:04:00] xris: afm: or mce (mine's mce)... retail vs mce is.. retail comes with a remote, mce has RCA audio jacks instead of 3mm stereo
[22:05:00] xris: Rule: really? that's the opposite of what I've heard from everyone else.
[22:05:00] afm: i read two people having mad trouble with the mce and myth...guess it too was a myth
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[22:05:00] Rule: yeah its strange
[22:06:00] Rule: all my friends have the same issue
[22:06:00] xris: afm: could have been a long time ago. no issues, have had mine running since they were first supported in ivtv
[22:06:00] Rule: this is PAL ones btw
[22:06:00] afm: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00064GI2O/s . . . ncoding=UTF8 it is
[22:06:00] xris: ah, that could be the difference.
[22:07:00] xris: afm: yeah, that's the card.
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[22:08:00] daniel_bergamini: sorry to butt in, this guy seems to have it working http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/pvr150/
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[22:09:00] Rule: I have it working too
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[22:09:00] Rule: 2 350s, 2 500s and 2 150s
[22:09:00] daniel_bergamini: yeah but I don't believe you. if it's on the web it must be true.
[22:09:00] Rule: in various boxes
[22:09:00] afm: my tv-out card GeForce4 MX4000 64,b will do fine right?
[22:09:00] Rule: :)
[22:10:00] afm: 64mb...
[22:10:00] kormoc: afm, should be, aye
[22:10:00] daniel_bergamini: just trying to back you up Rule
[22:10:00] Rule: no need, there's a lot of people that run them
[22:10:00] Rule: Ive begun switching to DVB though
[22:11:00] Rule: too bad the DVB radio patch wont be in 0.19 afaict :(
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[22:13:00] dtm: hmmm since my Duron frontend will be 2987512325 times faster than my powerbook backend, i could set my backend archival app to be something like 'ssh duron mencoder $@' or somesuch since they have the same nfs mount
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[22:13:00] dtm: yay for Real Operating System(tm)
[22:13:00] Ediehow: Juski: u there?
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[22:14:00] bryan225: One issue every time I rebboot have to run alsaconf is that a bug????
[22:14:00] Ediehow: shodan: are you a shodan/
[22:15:00] kormoc: bryan225, that is a question for your distro
[22:15:00] bryan225: knoppmyth
[22:16:00] kormoc: gonna have to ask the knoppmyth people
[22:17:00] Rule: Hmm the technotrend C2400 almost seems perfect
[22:17:00] Ediehow: if i get audio buffer underruns
[22:17:00] Ediehow: how do i fix that?
[22:18:00] Juski: no I'm not here
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[22:20:00] Juski: but I have a question: episode numbers... I've seen them in the recorded programs list but not in any other area in mythtv that I can see
[22:20:00] Ediehow: Juski: i got the results from that program
[22:20:00] Ediehow: sandra
[22:21:00] Ediehow: Juski: it's gotten insane at viaarena.com
[22:21:00] Ediehow: they refused to help me unless i explain my windows setup
[22:21:00] Ediehow: and i keep explaining that it does it in LINUX too, so it's not a SOFTWARE issue, except bios or something
[22:21:00] Juski: heh
[22:21:00] dtm: bryan225: typically, you have scripts mentioned in /etc/modprobe.conf which run upon the loading of your audio device's driver
[22:22:00] dtm: bryan225: and they restore previous settings, stored in a file upon unload (system shutdown etc)
[22:22:00] dtm: bryan225: a snapshot of the mixer state
[22:22:00] xris: ok, at the request of Krazylegz, kormoc and others, I'm declaring a Seattle MUG meeting for this sunday... those who are interested should IM/email me.
[22:22:00] Juski: could tell they were ass-hats by the tone of their first replies ;)
[22:22:00] dtm: xris: what is MUG? mythtv users' group?
[22:22:00] dtm: xris: that's traditionally "Macintosh"  ;)
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[22:22:00] bryan225: yes when I ran alsaconf said it wrote ti etc/modconf but obviously it doesnt last
[22:23:00] dtm: xris: i won't be able to attend, as per my Kansas residency, so perhaps you can record and timeshift the event for convenient streaming. thanks.
[22:23:00] bryan225: etc/modeprob.conf
[22:23:00] kormoc: dtm, but now it's AUG, Apple Users Group
[22:23:00] dtm: kormoc: oh yes. i'm old skewl
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[22:23:00] xris: dtm: what kormoc said
[22:23:00] dtm: xris: doubly noted.
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[22:24:00] afm: any better theme sights than myth its self?
[22:24:00] Juski: Ediehow: asking questions about a via chipset on what's basically a pro-via forum, where you suspect the problem is the motherboard isn't gonna win you any favour ;)
[22:25:00] Juski: afm: try the wiki
[22:25:00] Ediehow: Juski: i just figured they could HELP Me get something fixed
[22:25:00] Ediehow: Juski: can i buy a new motherboard for my computer/compaq case?
[22:25:00] Ediehow: with an athlon 64?
[22:25:00] bryan225: can fat32 see ntfs sorry for the windows question
[22:25:00] wole: bryan255: yes with ntfs4dos
[22:26:00] Juski: Ediehow: they all just compare how much they can overclock & amp their systems, that's the judgement I made when I took my first trip to that site
[22:26:00] Juski: afm: www.mythtv.org/wiki/
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[22:27:00] xris: bryan225: huh? filesystem's can't *see* anything.
[22:28:00] Ediehow: Juski: can i replace just my motherboard/processor?
[22:28:00] Juski: anyway.. my question... I see episode numbers in the recorded show details, but nowhere else.. a minor issue I know, but why only in the recorded shows list?
[22:28:00] wole: bryan255: xris is right, and i meant ntfsdos pro
[22:28:00] Ediehow: Juski: is there any way to verify that it's not my HD/
[22:29:00] Juski: Ediehow: if you have a custom kernel, you'll have to re-make it, so you won't just be able to plop a new board in, except if you're lucky
[22:29:00] Ediehow: Juski: oh, that's not a concern
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[22:29:00] Ediehow: i am talking about hardware
[22:29:00] Ediehow: would it fit in my case? etc
[22:29:00] Juski: Ediehow: I remember you posting your hdaparm numbers.. they looked good
[22:29:00] Ediehow: i have athlon xp 2ghz
[22:29:00] Juski: dunno – it's a compaq machine so it's anybody's guess
[22:29:00] Ediehow: do the amd 64 bit processors also use via?
[22:30:00] Juski: a lot of AMD board use Via
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[22:30:00] Juski: it could even just be a BIOS setup issue
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[22:30:00] Juski: most newer BIOSes have performance presets.. maybe those need a tweak
[22:30:00] Ediehow: mine is from 2003
[22:31:00] Ediehow: km266
[22:31:00] metalac: so can somebody please tell me if HDTV in USA is currently only over the air or can I access it over standard cable? or do i need to purchase HD service from the provider?
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[22:32:00] Ediehow: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/km266.htm
[22:32:00] Ediehow: i believe that is my MB, juski
[22:34:00] Ediehow: Juski: i have the results from sandra
[22:34:00] Ediehow: what should i look for?
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[22:37:00] Ediehow: i like how you can't find bios' at via's site
[22:38:00] Ediehow: bioses
[22:39:00] Ediehow: Juski: let me ask you this
[22:39:00] Ediehow: do you think it has anything to do with legacy usb support auto
[22:39:00] Ediehow: in bios?
[22:39:00] epictetus: does via make motherboards?
[22:39:00] epictetus: oh yeah, they make the epia
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[22:42:00] Ediehow: apollo pro266
[22:44:00] epictetus: apollo pro266 is a chipset, not a motherboard, I thought
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[22:48:00] Ediehow: hmm
[22:48:00] Ediehow: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/rounduppro266aug2k1/
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[22:51:00] Ediehow: so i can get a sempron 3300 w/motherboard for $147
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[22:53:00] Ediehow: are gigabyte motherboards OK?
[22:53:00] epictetus: yeah
[22:53:00] epictetus: gigabyte is a mid-range manufacturer
[22:53:00] Ediehow: Gigabyte GA-K8U ULi 1689 Chipset Socket 754 AMD Athlon 64 DDR400 AGP 8x / 4x 5PCISlots SATA 4USB 2.0 Audio LAN ATX With Cpu – AMD Sempron 3300+ With Heatsink and Fan with RETAIL Box complete Combo kit
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[22:54:00] Ediehow: wouldn't this be too big for my compaq case which only has a few pci slots now?
[22:55:00] Ediehow: gaim beta 2 is out
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[22:57:00] Ediehow: anyone using metacity?
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[22:58:00] metalac: so can somebody please tell me if HDTV in USA is currently only over the air or can I access it over standard cable? or do i need to purchase HD service from the provider?
[22:59:00] GreyFoxx: accessing it over the cable is dependant on your provider
[23:00:00] GreyFoxx: some encrypt their HD broadcasts and you require their stb, some broadcast it all in the clear, and some broadcasts only some of it in the clear
[23:01:00] metalac: so if i get HDTV card like hd3000 or air2tv would i be able to capture regular old TV, or just HDTV?
[23:02:00] GreyFoxx: I know that the hd3000 get standard tv, no idea if you can mix getting hdtv and regular or not
[23:02:00] GreyFoxx: the air2pc I don't know about when it comes to standard cable
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[23:04:00] metalac: so you think in the case of hd3000 i'd have to pick on or the other?
[23:04:00] GreyFoxx: last time I read about it yeah
[23:04:00] GreyFoxx: but that could certainly have changed
[23:06:00] metalac: hmmmm so i guess i have to figure out how much HD is in my area
[23:07:00] metalac: any good sites that do this?
[23:08:00] GreyFoxx: never really looked
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[23:08:00] GreyFoxx: though I know avforumns has a lot of forumns with that info
[23:12:00] metalac: hmmm the provider has some BS story about the HD
[23:12:00] metalac: nothing concrete :)
[23:13:00] GreyFoxx: It's quite unlikely that any sales droid or cs rep you talk to would know if the stuff is broadcast unencrypted and will insist that you need a stb to get at it
[23:13:00] metalac: well i already got their basic service which is just standard old cable with about 70 channels or so
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[23:17:00] metalac: so it seems that the "proper" way to get hdtv is to buy hd service
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[23:20:00] metalac: anybody knows if that standard that's being pushed in 2009 is gona be 720 or 1080?
[23:21:00] kormoc: metalac, keep in mind, only OTA will be under the fcc thing a ma jig
[23:21:00] metalac: kormoc: OTA???
[23:21:00] kormoc: Over The Air
[23:21:00] metalac: oh :)
[23:21:00] metalac: duuhhh
[23:22:00] kormoc: cable and satalite and all them are not required to go to hdtv
[23:22:00] metalac: oh ok
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[23:32:00] scottder: Hey all, I am looking for a cheap wireless card for a mythtv box...any suggestions....
[23:32:00] scottder: PCI or USB
[23:33:00] kormoc: scottder, linksys wusb54g
[23:33:00] scottder: Cool thanks....
[23:33:00] kormoc: np
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[23:35:00] darkdrgn2k\: ok im really new to apt-get.. how do i install the X11 devel libraries with it?
[23:35:00] darkdrgn2k\: (its configured.... i think)
[23:43:00] galorin: ok.. lovely. Xine works great now, except for playing back my videos.stuttery, and verbose output says "throwing away image wit I checked google, but no useful answers.h pts <loads of 'em> because it's too old.
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[23:47:00] darkdrgn2k\: how do you configure icewm to start a program on start
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[23:54:00] galorin: looks like I'll try a different hack, for now... need to hit the sack
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[23:57:00] scottder: I am psyched about building a MythTV....picked up a PVR 150 yesterday (the one that includes the remote)
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