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Saturday, January 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Pitchin_uk: where is the best place to start ??
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[00:00:00] Juski: erm... get mythtv
[00:00:00] Juski: how you install that depends on what distro you're running
[00:00:00] Juski: ugh.. you're on Suse aren't you?
[00:00:00] Pitchin_uk: i've downloaded 0.18.1 from the websitw
[00:00:00] laga: Juski: what's the difference between a pvr 150, 250, 350 and 500?
[00:00:00] Juski: laga: seriously?
[00:01:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: is that a suse 10.0?
[00:01:00] Pitchin_uk: yeah im on suse 10.0
[00:01:00] laga: Juski: of course not.
[00:01:00] laga: ;)
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[00:01:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: www.mythonsuse.org might be a good starting point.
[00:01:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: and of course the official docs at mythtv.org
[00:01:00] Pitchin_uk: cheers laga – do you run suse as well?
[00:01:00] Juski: well.. they've got different numbers in their names for a start, laga ;)
[00:01:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: no, i hate it. :)
[00:01:00] defII: What exactly does qt style change I cant seem to notice a difference?
[00:01:00] Pitchin_uk: ok nevermind
[00:02:00] Juski: changes the way some things are drawn onscreen
[00:02:00] laga: defII: one thing would be the way checkboxes look
[00:02:00] sndguru: Any takers on giving me a hand, I did the dumbest thing, in moving mythweb I deleted most of it, can someone please tar their /var/www/html/ I have a fedore core 4 myth-suite build
[00:02:00] Juski: changes you make aren't immediately obvious
[00:02:00] Juski: sndguru: just install it again then
[00:02:00] Juski: mythweb I mean
[00:02:00] sndguru: the whole myth-suite
[00:02:00] laga: sndguru: remove mythweb via your package manager and install it again
[00:02:00] sndguru: ok
[00:03:00] sndguru: cool thankz heaps
[00:03:00] Juski: does alcohol increase or decrease patience?
[00:03:00] Juski: either way I think I need more
[00:03:00] laga: Juski: the first five beer decrease patience for me. after that, i just don't care anymoe :)
[00:03:00] kormoc: it decreases it, but time speeds up, so it sorta breaks even
[00:04:00] laga: right
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[00:05:00] defII: Ok heres my program guide problems, when I'm watching livetv...
[00:06:00] defII: It seems to be using my gui size which when I check that for tv playback causes the image to zoom and move about 20% off the x axis
[00:06:00] defII: Anyone else have that problem?
[00:06:00] defII: I'm trying to use the guide while watching livetv to search for shows and then change the channel
[00:06:00] Juski: defII: no, I don't use GUI size for playback
[00:07:00] Juski: browse mode, you mean
[00:07:00] defII: nope
[00:07:00] defII: I hit m > program guide
[00:07:00] defII: in livetv mode
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[00:08:00] defII: Juski, browse mode is a little skewed to the left also
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[00:09:00] defII: Basically is there a way to overlay the OSD at a different size than the tv?
[00:09:00] Juski: it goes back to using the GUI size in that screen
[00:09:00] Juski: where the TV is in a little box at the top?
[00:09:00] Juski: it's being _displayed_ not overlayed... overlay is what happens in browse mode ;)
[00:09:00] defII: If I dont use gui size for tv it looks fine but the OSD and the program guide still come up incorrectly
[00:10:00] defII: ok
[00:10:00] Juski: defII: I think you need to tune the myth UI size settings in appearance to make it fit
[00:10:00] defII: hmm
[00:10:00] Juski: or else reduce the amount of overscan you're using
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[00:10:00] defII: It looks fine when I'm not in livetv mode
[00:11:00] defII: im actually underscanning
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[00:11:00] defII: at about -1
[00:11:00] Juski: so you've got black borders round the screen?
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[00:11:00] defII: nope it fits almost perfectly
[00:12:00] defII: in just gui mode
[00:12:00] Juski: so that's not underscanning is it?
[00:12:00] Juski: anyway...
[00:12:00] defII: and livetv is about 98% perfect
[00:12:00] Juski: is it the same with every theme?
[00:12:00] defII: yup
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[00:13:00] defII: yeah your right I reversed my thinking on overscan
[00:13:00] Juski: dunno though.. I've never seen that issue before
[00:14:00] defII: Bet you its my damn ATI card
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[00:15:00] ** Juski emerges mysql-python **
[00:15:00] Juski: I doubt it somehow
[00:15:00] Juski: ahhh
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[00:15:00] Juski: have you got mythtv using different screen modes for TV playback?
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[00:16:00] defII: yup
[00:16:00] Juski: it might be changing the screen res to match the TV resolution, but not scaling the programguide gui bit
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[00:16:00] Juski: uncheck that box & try it again
[00:16:00] defII: ill try that
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[00:17:00] defII: lol
[00:17:00] defII: that works no I have to adjust my tv playback to get rid of bars
[00:18:00] Juski: so.. don't use GUI size for TV playback then
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[00:28:00] sjaakz0r: hello, does mythtv need xfree86?
[00:28:00] Kabutor: xorg
[00:29:00] kormoc: xfree86 or xorg or any xserver that is x11 compatable
[00:29:00] laga: or xfree86. or directfb
[00:30:00] Pitchin_uk: anyone in here using suse 10.0??
[00:32:00] laga: Pitchin_uk: would be better just to ask your question :)
[00:32:00] Juski: those lyngsat guys have no icons for the cartoony channels! :(
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[00:34:00] jonase: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythstreamTVLive
[00:35:00] jonase: i try to follow this guide
[00:35:00] jonase: but at the "Additional Notes" it says
[00:35:00] jonase: If you are on a cable/sate box you need to comment out the #map frequency stuff and add: FREQ=61250
[00:36:00] jonase: where do i configure that?
[00:39:00] jonase: anyone alive?
[00:41:00] sndguru: r u on a sat or cable box ???
[00:41:00] jonase: cable
[00:41:00] sndguru: does it work now
[00:41:00] laga: jonase: use grep to find out where this #map stuff is
[00:42:00] jonase: grep in witch file?
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[00:42:00] laga: * ?
[00:43:00] jonase: i dont know what file to configure
[00:43:00] jonase: or search in
[00:44:00] sndguru: :) cat -R * | grep #map :P imagine how long that would take :) jonase don't do this
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[00:44:00] laga: well, it should be one that comes with myth_stream.tar
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[00:44:00] defII: Juski, I have to actually enable different video modes but then set them identical for it to work
[00:44:00] laga: sndguru: should take a few seconds at most in his mythweb directory.
[00:45:00] sndguru: :) good memory : laga
[00:45:00] thechris: mythtv seems to have let all the disk be used without "expiring" anything
[00:45:00] laga: duh. or one that comes with var_www_mythweb.tar?
[00:45:00] Juski: defII: at the risk of sounding like I don't care.. I'm glad it works now :)
[00:45:00] thechris: what can i now do?
[00:45:00] laga: sndguru: what do you mean?
[00:45:00] sndguru: remembering that I'm dir'ed in mythweb
[00:45:00] Juski: thechris: set the autoexpire update frequency to something other than '0'
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[00:46:00] Juski: then it might even check what it has to expire
[00:46:00] thechris: Juski: where do i set this?
[00:47:00] thechris: because a load average of 3 is a bit high. and the playback skips terribly
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[00:47:00] GreyFoxx: what would expiry and a high load have to do with each other ?
[00:48:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: that lynsat grabber script is neato, but it reveals shortcomings in the logos they've got.. no cartoon network or anything good ;)
[00:48:00] defII: Juski, lol thanx for the help
[00:48:00] GreyFoxx: Juski heh
[00:48:00] ** Juski ponders making a script to sort his channel order out **
[00:49:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, cause it's looking under the sofa and in the tops of everywhere looking for a little more space to toss a few bytes...
[00:49:00] laga: kormoc: you mean, this dust is actually my '
[00:50:00] laga: the simpsons' recordings?
[00:50:00] Juski: I can't remember where it is exactly.. think it's under 'general' in the sttings pages
[00:50:00] laga: dammit, i hate this keyboard.
[00:50:00] kormoc: laga, Yup! Tis why I never clean my house! :P
[00:50:00] thechris: ok, i hope 5 free GB will let mythtv start expiring something
[00:50:00] laga: kormoc: wow. great conception – get more diskspace by being lazy
[00:50:00] GreyFoxx: thechris: what version ?
[00:51:00] Juski: so.. if I cant see my desk, do I get like 10 shows more room? cool!
[00:51:00] thechris: GreyFoxx: 0.18
[00:51:00] laga: Juski: yes. and new life forms.
[00:51:00] GreyFoxx: ok
[00:51:00] Juski: haha. I left a glass of milk under my bed once... forgot about it for ages..
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[00:52:00] Juski: btw
[00:52:00] ** Juski proposes changing the channel name to #mythbusters **
[00:52:00] kormoc: Juski, should I even ask why you thought putting a glass of milk under the bed was a good idea?
[00:52:00] laga: because we destroy illusions?
[00:53:00] rjune: kormoc: he was saving it for when he got thirsty
[00:53:00] Juski: get in drunk... have some biscuits & milk.. fall asleep...
[00:53:00] rjune: or hungry as the case may be
[00:53:00] Juski: then wonder what the smell is a few weeks later... and then when she's gone home, still wonder
[00:53:00] kyu_flux_: hey guys, I asked you guys some question yesterday about ... bitrate... anyways i'm back with a transcoding question
[00:53:00] kyu_flux_: is there any way to transcode from mythweb? I did some searches and nothing turned up – and the only option I see in Mythweb is "delete recording"
[00:54:00] GreyFoxx: kyu_flux_: Nope
[00:54:00] Juski: transcoding = saving disk space.. deleting = saving disk space
[00:54:00] Juski: cut out the middleman ;)
[00:55:00] kyu_flux_: well, I just find it odd that there's an auto transcode option and then a transcode while playing, but no transcode this recording option
[00:55:00] kyu_flux_: maybe I should try to make one =)
[00:56:00] GreyFoxx: go for it :)
[00:56:00] kyu_flux_: if I could only remember my pascal....
[00:56:00] kyu_flux_: oh wait...
[00:56:00] thechris: so when will mythtv decide to free my diskspace and stop skipping playback?
[00:57:00] thechris: i set the check time to 5minutes
[00:57:00] thechris: like 10 minutes ago
[00:57:00] Juski: might need to restart mythbackend.. if autoexpire works in 0.18
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[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: thechris: Why do you think that the lack of expiry is causing your playback to stutter ?
[00:59:00] thechris: GreyFoxx: my load avg is 3
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: That doesn't answer my question
[00:59:00] thechris: and it worked yesterday, when the disk wasn't full
[00:59:00] kormoc: thechris, so, worded differently, why would a full disk cause your cpu to work harder?
[00:59:00] GreyFoxx: The amount of space on your drive will not drive up your CPU load
[01:00:00] thechris: kormoc: cpu wasn't working harder
[01:00:00] Juski: try doing a top to find out what's causing all the load
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[01:00:00] thechris: top doesn't show
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: You have 2 issues, lack of space and higher CPU
[01:00:00] thechris: cpu use is less then 10%
[01:00:00] laga: nice. the OOM killer terminated my backend again :/
[01:00:00] GreyFoxx: Obviously something is chewing up CPU if the load is 3
[01:01:00] thechris: oh, 11.7% now
[01:01:00] thechris: and something just messed up
[01:01:00] thechris: on the frontend
[01:01:00] kormoc: thechris, you only have load if the cpu is being used...
[01:01:00] Juski: how much space do you have free anyway?
[01:01:00] thechris: or if you are severly IO limited
[01:02:00] kormoc: thechris, IO limited sure, but IO just fails instantly if there's no free space
[01:02:00] kormoc: thechris, it doesn't sit there and wait for free space to write
[01:02:00] thechris: ok, well then you explain it
[01:02:00] GreyFoxx: You are the one in the drivers seat
[01:02:00] thechris: because idle was up over 80% and load avg was 3
[01:03:00] thechris: ok, myth deleted something
[01:03:00] thechris: now load avg is 0.5
[01:03:00] thechris: and cpu use is 1.5%
[01:03:00] GreyFoxx: Then you have some serious problems
[01:03:00] thechris: playback is fine
[01:04:00] Juski: yikes
[01:04:00] thechris: my problems seem fine
[01:04:00] Juski: I thought only windows got slower when diskspace was low :-/
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[01:04:00] thechris: Juski: it may be an issue with XFS
[01:04:00] Juski: swap in the wrong place?
[01:04:00] thechris: i didn't even check swap useage
[01:05:00] thechris: now it seems to work though
[01:05:00] Juski: I've yet to hear any good news from XFS users
[01:05:00] kormoc: XFS isn't that bad.
[01:05:00] kormoc: Juski, what bad news have you heard?
[01:05:00] thechris: ok, now i've got enough free space
[01:05:00] Juski: peeps with XFS.. powercut.. ooo recordings are gone...
[01:06:00] Juski: various stories similar to that
[01:06:00] laga: Juski: they should have some logic in xfs that deletes the recordings from the DB as well. anything else is just plainly annoying
[01:06:00] kormoc: thechris, "The load average tries to measure the number of active processes at any time. As a measure of CPU utilization, the load average is simplistic, poorly defined, but far from useless."
[01:06:00] kormoc: thechris, http://www.luv.asn.au/overheads/NJG_LUV_2002/luvSlides.html
[01:07:00] kormoc: Juski, outside of power failures, anything else?
[01:07:00] Juski: not really
[01:07:00] kormoc: Juski, you see, it's designed to be that way.
[01:07:00] thechris: kormoc: ok, then explain a high load avg with a low cpu utilization
[01:07:00] Juski: seems a bit catostrophic for something an fsck can fix in ext3 though
[01:07:00] kormoc: thechris, you shouldn't have experenced that, they are unrelated, hence why all the questions on why would it matter
[01:07:00] kormoc: Juski, it's designed to be datasafe at all costs
[01:08:00] Juski: yeh? ok – must just be user errors then
[01:08:00] Juski: might give it a spin sometime
[01:08:00] kormoc: Juski, so in a event like that, saving the current data is more important then 'new' data
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[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: I'm read 1 or 2 reports of people who had 99%+ usage on an XFS partition seeing unusually high loads
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[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: I've never been able to repeat it
[01:08:00] GreyFoxx: but I've seen a few people report it
[01:08:00] kormoc: huh.
[01:09:00] Juski: aye – and figuring how much actually changes from day to day on a linux system it's probably ok
[01:09:00] GreyFoxx: but it's Kernel related, not myth
[01:09:00] thechris: well it seems my roomate was right — the high disk utilization seems to be related to the high load
[01:09:00] thechris: i think it also caused me to miss some shows
[01:09:00] thechris: becasue myth decided not to record instead of deleteing a show
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: Are you sure you had auto expiry turned on ?
[01:10:00] Juski: when I exited livetv from my PVR150 source last night (been running a couple of hours) it took a wee while to return to the main menu, so I've seen the argument about it taking too long to delete files now
[01:10:00] GreyFoxx: In SVN it's on by default, in 0.18 it's off by default
[01:10:00] thechris: GreyFoxx: yes, its on. it just had bad settings i guess
[01:11:00] thechris: XFS takes a while to delete files!
[01:11:00] kormoc: ext3 is the slowest iirc
[01:11:00] kormoc: due to the fact it needs to zero them
[01:11:00] thechris: oh, nm, i'm recording and deleitng at the same time
[01:11:00] thechris: so it just seems slower...
[01:11:00] xris: thechris: huh? xfs is faster than ext3
[01:11:00] Juski: I can delete a 1GB file in less than a sec from a console
[01:12:00] Juski: but maybe that's not the whole story
[01:12:00] thechris: hmm. myth just abruptly stopped recording instead of deleting anything...
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[01:12:00] thechris: i hope that's all fixed now
[01:12:00] thechris: i mean with the new settings
[01:13:00] sndguru: hay GreyFoxx I figured the mysql bit
[01:14:00] sndguru: I change my root password it was the old one
[01:14:00] kormoc: Juski, dd if=/dev/zero of=delete_me bs=1024 count=1048576 & time rm delete_me
[01:14:00] kormoc: Juski, real 0m1.029s
[01:14:00] kormoc: with ext3
[01:14:00] sndguru: had me stuped for ages :)
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[01:15:00] Rule: Hey guys, what exactly does the "Using hardware MPEG decoder" setting in te recorder options of a DVB card _do_ ?
[01:15:00] kormoc: Rule, it's for the pvr350, to use the hardware mpeg decoder as your video out device
[01:16:00] Rule: hmm its a different option from the PVR350 option
[01:16:00] hpAuto: I always wondered why an entire page in setup is deticated to that setting
[01:16:00] Rule: but what does it DO then... does it post-process a recording ?
[01:16:00] Rule: this is a different setting
[01:16:00] Rule: in the DVB recording options
[01:16:00] kormoc: Rule, no, it uses the hardware mpeg2 decoder to decode the video...
[01:17:00] kormoc: Rule, it's there for all card types
[01:17:00] Juski: I think it treats the DVB stream differently somehow
[01:17:00] Juski: at least in 0.18 it does
[01:17:00] kormoc: ooh?
[01:17:00] Rule: um the little readme is confusing
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[01:17:00] Rule: it says it reduces the complexity of the stream
[01:17:00] Rule: but its doing a postprocess then surely
[01:17:00] kormoc: hrm, def not the one I'm thinking of then.
[01:17:00] Juski: I had some issues watching some DVB recordings on my EPIA frontend, and enabling that ultimately fixed it
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[01:18:00] Juski: no real difference to CPU load during recording though
[01:18:00] kormoc: I have never seen that option.
[01:18:00] Rule: you got a DVB card ?
[01:18:00] Juski: kormoc: it's in card settings, under 'advanced'
[01:18:00] Rule: anyway the darn help text doesnt fit and is cut off
[01:18:00] kormoc: no, but I've looked though their settings before.
[01:18:00] Juski: next to the 'TS recording' option
[01:19:00] Rule: no it isnt here
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[01:19:00] Rule: its the first option, the others are wait for SEQ and Open on demand
[01:19:00] Juski: Rule: you'll be running SVN then
[01:19:00] Rule: yes
[01:19:00] Rule: anyhow it makes sense somehow
[01:20:00] Rule: says in the text it will record only one audio and one subtitle stream
[01:20:00] Juski: apparently it helps for some DVB channels with empty audio streams
[01:20:00] Rule: then it goes on to say "you will want to also set" and its cut off :P
[01:20:00] Juski: like BBC1 here... often has 2 streams
[01:20:00] Rule: or multiple if you're playing back with a pvr350 or so
[01:20:00] Juski: Rule: use TS
[01:20:00] Rule: where is that setting then
[01:21:00] Juski: Rule: it was taken out
[01:21:00] Juski: defaults to use TS now
[01:21:00] Rule: ok
[01:22:00] Juski: that'll be for the good of everybody, when we get whole mux recording :)
[01:22:00] Rule: yeah
[01:22:00] Rule: looking forward to that
[01:23:00] Rule: well I was wondering because I see some errors in the logs
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[01:24:00] Rule: right after the show is recorded I get some errors from mpeg2video
[01:24:00] zogzogplop: hello everybody and happy new year
[01:24:00] hpAuto: that was weeks ago
[01:25:00] zogzogplop: can sby explain to me what should I in order to get a bit of help ?
[01:25:00] hpAuto: ask questions?
[01:25:00] Juski: ask questions about the problem you're having
[01:25:00] zogzogplop: hpAuto: yep, a good begin ? :) lol
[01:27:00] zogzogplop: ok, so for the context : TV card : hauppauge wintv, Sound Card : SB Live 5.1, CPU:Athlon XP1800, 512Mo RAM. The problem : the sound of live TV is crackling when I set up a resolution higher than 320*200 for live TV. And the CPU is not overloaded.
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[01:28:00] zogzogplop: Distro : I tried : Debian Etch and knopmyth
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[01:28:00] zogzogplop: binaries : on debian etch : packages of disjkstra + manual compilation
[01:28:00] Bog_: hello
[01:29:00] zogzogplop: is it enough for info ?
[01:29:00] Bog_: what do I need to use a remote?
[01:29:00] zogzogplop: anyone got an idea ?
[01:29:00] sndguru: Bog_: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/printer-friendly.p . . . =closed#lirc
[01:30:00] Bog_: snd: so I need IR receiver. where does the IR receiver plug into? Mobo or PVR-500?
[01:31:00] sndguru: hrmm, normal serial ones are easyest, I'm tring it install a dvico usb one now
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[01:31:00] Kelerion: serial, usb or direct into a tv card
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[01:32:00] Bog_: snd: I want it all internal with no dangling bits so I'll do some modding and place IR receiver at the front and connect to wherever the header is... I dont know if thats a mobo header or PVR-500
[01:32:00] Bog_: kel: excelent, tuner card usually has a header?
[01:33:00] Kelerion: nope.. external jack
[01:33:00] Kelerion: some mobo's have ir headers.. so easiest to find a case with a built in ir module
[01:33:00] Bog_: kel: yes, I'l find a case with the ir module, but it will need to be connected to a header somewhere
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[01:34:00] Kelerion: mobo
[01:34:00] Bog_: kel: pvr-500 doesn't have the header?
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[01:34:00] Kelerion: don't think so
[01:34:00] Bog_: kel: I dunno if the epia mobo's have the header
[01:34:00] zogzogplop: no idea for my sound problem anyone ?
[01:34:00] Juski: epia board have a header for COM2
[01:35:00] Bog_: juski: ok, I'm almost following you
[01:35:00] Bog_: juski: you're saying I can use the com2 hearer?
[01:35:00] Juski: well you buy (or build) a LIRC serial receiver
[01:36:00] Bog_: juski: ok, I'll google and see what I can buy
[01:36:00] Juski: and pop a serial port connector header (what usually goes on a connector plate to the outside) onto the header.. then plug the IR receiver into the serial plug
[01:36:00] Rule: I have an epia with irda sensor connected
[01:36:00] Juski: irda != IR remote though
[01:36:00] Rule: true
[01:36:00] Rule: just saying
[01:37:00] Bog_: rule: how is yours connected?
[01:37:00] Rule: you need an irda chip that does CIR
[01:37:00] Rule: Bog_: mainboard header
[01:37:00] Bog_: rule: ok, so is there a compatable module?
[01:38:00] Bog_: rule: that can be plugged into the header and work as an IR remote?
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[01:39:00] Rule: probably not
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[01:39:00] Rule: Im not sure what the status of CIR emulated by SIR is
[01:39:00] Bog_: ok.. well, I'm googling
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[01:40:00] Bog_: so the best option would be some form of LIRC plugged into com header on mobo?
[01:40:00] Rule: or on the pvr card if you need one anyway
[01:40:00] Bog_: the PVR card has a header?
[01:40:00] Rule: I use the 350 and several friends use the 150 that can also act as an IR blaster
[01:40:00] Bog_: pvr-500
[01:41:00] Bog_: ir blaster looks ugly
[01:41:00] Rule: the 500 is an MCE card so it doesnt have it
[01:41:00] Bog_: how do people use remote with pvr-500?
[01:41:00] Cromz: Juski you make those new watermarks yet? come on man.. whats the hold up.. get on the ball.. ;) j/k
[01:41:00] Rule: seperate module
[01:42:00] Bog_: rule: you mean a separate card?
[01:42:00] Rule: serial or additional 150/350 card ;)
[01:42:00] Bog_: damn
[01:43:00] Juski: Cromz: which ones again?
[01:43:00] Bog_: ok, as I read I need a LIRC receiver... right?
[01:43:00] Juski: the ones with outlines or without outlines?
[01:43:00] Cromz: lol none. you know I like those x10 ones you already did.. they look good with that theme.
[01:43:00] Juski: oh riiiight
[01:44:00] Cromz: I just wanted to be grabby about something
[01:44:00] Rule: Bog_: cleanest is to have a serial one and connect to onboard com header
[01:44:00] Bog_: rule: agreed.... thats the plan now
[01:44:00] Juski: well if you fancy a different style of watermark download the wide theme & use the watermarks from there.. I think they're the same size
[01:45:00] Cromz: I'm using the wide now.. just gotta readd them in the xml :>
[01:45:00] Bog_: rule: I'm on lirc.org looking for supported serial receivers
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[01:46:00] Bog_: rule: so how would a serial receiver connect to the header again?
[01:46:00] Cromz: I know.. I'll show my wife and let her do it ;) lol
[01:46:00] Rule: Bog_: serial header connector
[01:47:00] Bog_: rule: so that's literally the rs232 (or whatever) to the header?
[01:47:00] Rule: well there might be IR parts with the same connector
[01:48:00] Rule: or you can just mod the cable
[01:48:00] Bog_: rule: ok.. let me read some more
[01:49:00] Rule: actually to complicate things the EPIA boards also have a CIR connector ;)
[01:50:00] Bog_: rule: ok, and a CIR is?
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[01:52:00] Rule: Consumer Ifrared if I remember correctly
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[01:52:00] Rule: the stuff needed to do remote control IR
[01:52:00] Rule: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . epia/faq.jsp
[01:52:00] Bog_: rule: why couldn't I buy something to plug into that?
[01:53:00] Bog_: reading that now
[01:53:00] Rule: you could
[01:53:00] Rule: but I never saw anything that could plug into it
[01:53:00] Bog_: that would work in Linux and MythTV?
[01:53:00] Rule: I haven't looked either as I use the pvr
[01:53:00] Bog_: ok
[01:53:00] Rule: aha I didnt say that :P
[01:53:00] Bog_: which epia do you have?
[01:53:00] Rule: probably not tbh
[01:54:00] Rule: m10k and m2–12k
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[01:54:00] Bog_: I think I will use the SP
[01:54:00] Bog_: rule: making a list of my parts first
[01:55:00] Rule: too bad its mpeg4 decoder isnt supported :/
[01:55:00] Bog_: rule: I read it's not supported in Windows, but is in Linux
[01:56:00] Rule: the reverse should be true
[01:56:00] Bog_: I agree, but it's actually not supported in Windows
[01:56:00] Juski: won't be long for linux support I expect
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[01:56:00] Rule: for mpeg4 ?
[01:56:00] Bog_: rule: yes
[01:56:00] Rule: I havent seen any work on it tbh
[01:57:00] Rule: it might be in the VIA river though
[01:57:00] Rule: not looked at that
[01:58:00] Bog_: rule: I've been reading alot about epios
[01:58:00] Juski: I read too much about them
[01:58:00] Bog_: rule: I recall somewhere there and/or epiacenter.com that's it's supported in Linux
[01:58:00] Juski: so I just went & bought one to prove what I'd read, wrong
[01:59:00] Rule: hehe
[01:59:00] Juski: one site reckons an EPIA M-10k can't play back divx or xvid... yeh RIGHT
[01:59:00] Rule: lol
[01:59:00] Juski: maybe not in windows ;)
[01:59:00] Rule: in windows maybe
[01:59:00] Rule: hehe
[01:59:00] Juski: maybe 'XP' was a typo for 'CPU upgrade needed just to run the desktop'
[02:00:00] eiggirC: Juski: I have a C500 working fine as a frontend.
[02:00:00] Juski: does it play xvid etc okay?
[02:00:00] Rule: VIA reckons the CN400 should do MPEG2 HD playback in linux with their driver
[02:01:00] Juski: sorta thinking about getting another one but can't quite stretch to the cost of a 10k again
[02:01:00] eiggirC: Juski: no idea – its a frontend fine.
[02:02:00] Rule: well the low power helps soften the cost :)
[02:02:00] Juski: nano-itx looks inviting too, but it's expensive
[02:02:00] Rule: no need for it
[02:02:00] Rule: the 310dp looks nice tho
[02:02:00] Rule: gigabit and all that
[02:02:00] Juski: Rule: for a wall-mounted media terminal it'd need to be small ;)
[02:02:00] Bog_: juski: you ever see the Jack-PC?
[02:03:00] Rule: mini-itx is small :)
[02:03:00] ** Juski never saw the Jack-PC **
[02:03:00] Bog_: juski: http://www.chippc.com/products/jackpc/
[02:04:00] Rule: hmm the VIA benchmarks on 1.2Ghz with CN400 put mpeg4 decoding at 89.2%
[02:04:00] Rule: cpu use
[02:04:00] Rule: qnd HD mpeg2 at 57.3
[02:04:00] Juski: ffs @ the Jack-PC !
[02:04:00] Kelerion: I just looked too.. it's nice
[02:04:00] Bog_: ffs?
[02:04:00] Juski: for fucks' sakes...
[02:05:00] Bog_: juski: yes, I know
[02:05:00] Juski: Rule: is that HD mpeg4 or SD?
[02:05:00] Rule: SD
[02:05:00] Rule: 720*576
[02:05:00] Juski: eew
[02:06:00] Juski: oh well
[02:06:00] Rule: 720*480*4M sorry
[02:06:00] Cardoe: Juski: meh. they lie... it's bigger then a jack
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[02:06:00] Cardoe: Juski: but that's basically like the old old jacks that had a web server built into them.
[02:06:00] Juski: keeping my eye open for something that'll do MPEG4 decoding @ HDTV res
[02:06:00] Cardoe: and they literally were the size of the connector on a board.
[02:07:00] Juski: just thought of something.. VGA can be sent over CAT5.. keyboard/mouse/USB can be put over CAT5.. audio etc over CAT5....
[02:07:00] Cardoe: Juski: well that's what it is
[02:07:00] Juski: I could just have a screen on the wall... maybe touchscreen.. and run all the wiring over CAT5
[02:07:00] Cardoe: it said it's a remote platform
[02:08:00] Juski: I'm thinking of having a dedicated always-on frontend
[02:08:00] Rule: you mean h.264
[02:08:00] Juski: Rule: yeh whatever.. not mpeg2 anyway
[02:08:00] Bog_: juski: with the jackpc?
[02:09:00] Rule: well you should be able to with the right display card
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[02:09:00] Rule: or you mean in the chipset ?
[02:09:00] topher: ive got a pvr-500 w/ us-cable into tuner0 and the audio channel set in ivtvctl to tuner0 and the audio volumne master and wave are up and work and mythtv's volume is at 80% but there's still no sound. what should i try?
[02:09:00] Juski: Bog_: no, just thinking of having an always on frontend for music duties & stuff like that
[02:09:00] Bog_: k
[02:10:00] ** Kelerion would like to visit Juski's house in a year or so... sounds like he has a lot of big plans.. lol **
[02:11:00] Kelerion: yanno.. this channel is both inspirational and kinda depressing at the same time.. all my friends think of me as the local computer genius that knows everything there is to know about computing on any platform.. then I come here and feel like a beginner! lol
[02:12:00] Bog_: kel: we all have our specialities
[02:12:00] Rule: I feel the same when the hpux lab people start mailing me :)
[02:12:00] topher: anybody had trouble with a wintv pvr and audio?
[02:13:00] Bog_: kel: I'm a security geek... not much into the pvr stuff yet
[02:13:00] Rule: topher: recording or playback problem ?
[02:13:00] topher: Rule: just normal watching tv has no audio, but there's video
[02:13:00] Juski: Kelerion: same here.. apart from my linux friends of course ;)
[02:13:00] topher: rule: it's a wintv pvr-500
[02:14:00] Rule: topher: is the audio in the recorded stream ?
[02:14:00] Juski: ugh.. stop saying that
[02:14:00] Juski: wintv
[02:14:00] Rule: :)
[02:14:00] topher: Rule: recorded stream? im just trying to watch tv
[02:14:00] Kelerion: well my friends don't ask me too many taxing questions.. so I'm safe.. :P
[02:14:00] Juski: Kelerion: a non-geeky workmate has heard me enthuse about mythtv.. so now he wants it
[02:14:00] Rule: topher: well it would be nice if you could record something and see if it has audio in it
[02:15:00] Juski: god help me
[02:15:00] Juski: Rule: livetv is recording
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[02:15:00] Rule: I now count 10 (seriously) colleagues that also built a mythtv setup
[02:15:00] Juski: topher: did you not try the ivtv test method of catting /dev/video0 (or whatever) into a test.mpg file and playing it?
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[02:16:00] topher: Rule: when i pause tv and watch the paused, it also has no sound, but ill try what Juski is asking
[02:16:00] topher: Juski, no, i guess ill try that
[02:16:00] Kelerion: Over the years I've decided there are 4 types of linux users.. hardcore programmers.. hardcore electronics geeks that love linux and see bloody good at at.. serious power users that don't know C++.. and normal users.. I fit the third section... am more a php and vb programmer that has been using linux for just over 10 years
[02:16:00] Bog_: brb
[02:17:00] Kelerion: "seem bloody good at it"..even
[02:17:00] Juski: back in october 2004 I was trying to setup a DVB-T card to record telly in Windows... OMFG it was crap... a mate said "try mythtv" so I said "ah yes, but that's gonna involve Linux" I moaned... just over one year on I think I can handle it
[02:17:00] Cromz: hmm which am I? I dabble with all but C++, I have powah systems. I'm a data recovery engineer :>
[02:18:00] Juski: topher: #1 rule of getting mythtv to work... test the hardware first :)
[02:18:00] Rule: Im an hpux and linux engineer at HP, what does that make me
[02:18:00] topher: Juski: i catted /dev/video0 to a .mpg file and that file in mplayer has video but still no audio
[02:18:00] Kelerion: for some reasons electronics guys pick up linux easier than others.. haven't figure that part out yet
[02:18:00] Juski: I'm kinda number 2 in that list
[02:18:00] Cromz: lol
[02:18:00] Cromz: it's logical~!
[02:18:00] Cromz: er yeah logical.
[02:19:00] topher: Juski: i have cable into tuner0 and ivtvctl says audio is tuner0
[02:19:00] topher: Juski: what do you think it could be?
[02:19:00] Cromz: the mixer settings.
[02:19:00] Juski: can't be considered 'hardcore' til you've put a microcontroller of your own building into your house
[02:19:00] Cromz: took me a while to fix it.
[02:19:00] Rule: heh well I built a serial port relay switcher and used linux as one of the first things :P
[02:19:00] topher: ooh, and minor note, when i say ivtvctl /dev/video0 -y mute=0, it seg faults
[02:19:00] Juski: topher: do you get a good picture?
[02:19:00] Juski: minor?
[02:19:00] topher: Juski: yea, it's not bad
[02:20:00] topher: looks like a tv capture card vidoe quality i guess. i just need audio, heh
[02:20:00] Juski: possible things.. wrong tuner detected.. maybe yours is one with the Samsung tuner
[02:20:00] topher: Cromz: i turned all the volumes up, so i dunno
[02:20:00] topher: Juski: i dunno, i thought ivtv knew the hauppage pvr-500 card
[02:20:00] Juski: topher: might be a job for an ivtv channel
[02:20:00] topher: ok
[02:20:00] Juski: which version of ivtv?
[02:21:00] topher: 0.4.0
[02:21:00] Juski: ask in an ivtv channel anyway
[02:21:00] topher: ok, thanks Juski
[02:21:00] Juski: they'll know
[02:21:00] Juski: or on the ivtv mailing list
[02:21:00] Juski: have a good search thru first before posting though
[02:21:00] topher: alright, will do. thanks again for the help
[02:21:00] Juski: np
[02:22:00] Rule: it wont be the samsung tuner if the tuner is detected ;)
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[02:22:00] Rule: also, the samsung tuner definitions just went in yay
[02:22:00] Juski: Rule: I didn't even bother getting my tuner sorted out
[02:22:00] Juski: never gonna use it
[02:22:00] Rule: heh
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[02:24:00] Kelerion: Juski.. did you ever see the Extensia (sic?) from Elonex on the gadget show? probably impractical but damn nice
[02:24:00] winga: does anyone know why i wouldn't be able to boot the knoppmyth cd? i'm running the epia mobo
[02:24:00] Juski: Kelerion: nope
[02:24:00] Kelerion: http://techdigestuk.typepad.com/tech_digest/i . . . ia_gold.html
[02:24:00] Kelerion: pc in a tv
[02:24:00] Kelerion: and thats wall mountable
[02:24:00] Juski: and winga: nope... that's knoppmyth for ya
[02:25:00] Juski: oh yeah Kelerion: saw that in PC Pro
[02:25:00] Juski: that fucking windows-centric mag
[02:25:00] Kelerion: yup.. lol
[02:25:00] Kelerion: oh cool.. first time I've tried installing Slackware in a vmware and it worked first time.. neat
[02:25:00] winga: Juski, well i can't even boot into the already installed knoppmyth install, i sent the mobo in to get replaced for other reasons and now i have this problem
[02:26:00] Juski: winga: try a liveCD from another distro & see if that works
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[02:27:00] Juski: or do what I'd do.. drop knoppmyth like a hot rock
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[02:29:00] Rule: never had a hot rock in my hands, Juski
[02:30:00] Rule: whats it like
[02:30:00] Juski: not too bad.. in a lock up the backend kinda way
[02:32:00] Juski: I think it causes as many problems as it solves.. people are often under the impression it's a one-stop magic bullet to getting a working mythtv system
[02:32:00] Juski: and for some, it probably is
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[02:42:00] xris: nice. myth is not recording anything
[02:43:00] xris: starts then finishes immediately
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[02:51:00] znoG: hey all... just got a BT878 card here to play with.. looking at the MythTV docs, I should be able to tune the TV with xawtv, right?
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[02:53:00] znoG: i can't tune a single chan, they are all coming up with the horizontal lines usually seen when its not tuned
[02:54:00] Kelerion: znoG: sure it's being recognised correctly? the card's tuner etc?
[02:56:00] znoG: oh, that im not sure about
[02:56:00] znoG: its a conexant bt878
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[02:56:00] Kelerion: well.. that'd be your first thing to find out
[02:57:00] znoG: tuner 1–0063: type set to 2 (Philips NTSC (FI1236,FM1236 and compatibles))
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[02:57:00] znoG: thats probably not a good thing
[02:57:00] znoG: since its PAL here
[02:57:00] topher: hrm, anybody know why ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -y mute=0 isnt actually setting mute to 0?
[02:57:00] kormoc: topher, ivtv .4.1?
[02:58:00] topher: kormoc, no, ivtv 4.0
[02:58:00] topher: kormoc: should i try upgrading?
[02:58:00] kormoc: nah, I just know that there's a bunch of folks with pvr 150's that have that bug with .4.1
[02:58:00] kormoc: I was going to recommend you downgrade if that was the case
[02:59:00] topher: maybe it's the whole 4.0 branch?
[02:59:00] kormoc: I think everyone I've talked to said that it worked fine in .4.0
[02:59:00] topher: hrm
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[03:00:00] topher: yea, nobody's talking in #ivtv-dev, but i just get good video w/ no sound, not sure what's up
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[03:01:00] znoG: Kelerion: just wondering about the "common sense".. if it sets the "type" of my tuner to 2 (Philips NTSC) but I know for a fact it's PAL-N in this country, shouldn't the type be 5? (PAL)
[03:03:00] Kelerion: znoG: well you might know your in a PAL-N country but how's your system supposed to know that?
[03:04:00] znoG: Kelerion: right, so I should load the tuner with type=5, which is giving me an "unknown parameter 'type'"
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[03:09:00] ** xris kicks mythbackend **
[03:09:00] Slurpee`: hey xris! at least yours used to work
[03:09:00] Slurpee`: i still cant get my mythtv going
[03:09:00] Kelerion: znoG: your in argentina?
[03:10:00] xris: odd. it's forgotten al of its inputs
[03:10:00] znoG: it works!
[03:10:00] znoG: Kelerion: yes :)
[03:10:00] znoG: black and white :( but it works !!!!
[03:10:00] Kelerion: could try tuner=14
[03:10:00] winga: what is the "common via problem" that i hear about?
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[03:12:00] xris: nice. no /dev/video*
[03:12:00] xris: duh, bet there was a kernel upgrade, and I rebooted after the power outtage
[03:13:00] znoG: Kelerion: it's PAL-N here though, not standard PAL
[03:14:00] Kelerion: znoG: looks at: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/BTTV/
[03:14:00] Kelerion: that has the params for card=x and type=x
[03:15:00] xris: hmm, that's not it
[03:15:00] xris: crap
[03:15:00] Kelerion: xris: nothing in dmesg?
[03:15:00] xris: ivtv module not found. heh
[03:16:00] xris: odd, I just compiled/installed it
[03:16:00] Kelerion: thats does it.. lol
[03:16:00] Kelerion: added it to your modutils etc?
[03:16:00] xris: should work just fine
[03:17:00] xris: something else is wrong. can't debug now, off to scifi friday at friends' house
[03:17:00] Kelerion: lol.. have fun!
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[03:19:00] znoG: Kelerion: woohoo! TV in colour!
[03:19:00] znoG: Kelerion: thanks :-) now for MythTV
[03:19:00] Kelerion: what was it?
[03:19:00] znoG: i had to choose PAL-Nc from within xawtv
[03:19:00] Kelerion: makes sense
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[03:28:00] defII: Is anyone here using gentoo?
[03:28:00] kormoc: I do
[03:28:00] Juski: defII: I do too
[03:29:00] defII: did you have any problem with the backend init script
[03:29:00] defII: not starting correcly
[03:29:00] kormoc: defII, yes
[03:29:00] kormoc: there is a change you need to add
[03:29:00] defII: kormoc, resolution?
[03:29:00] defII: ahh
[03:29:00] kormoc: on line #15, under the QTDIR= line
[03:30:00] kormoc: add in this: HOME=/etc/mythtv
[03:30:00] defII: ok
[03:30:00] kormoc: make sure /etc/mythtv exists and is writeable by user mythtv
[03:30:00] defII: ok
[03:30:00] kormoc: cp -R /root/.mythtv /etc/mythtv/
[03:30:00] defII: do I use " " around /etc/mythtv
[03:31:00] kormoc: nope
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[03:34:00] ruiner: i'm thinking about buying a hauppauge pvr-150, but i noticed that it doesnt have a 1/8" audio out jack... can anyone tell me what's involved in getting sound to work with this card?
[03:34:00] defII: kormoc, thanks alot
[03:34:00] defII: ruiner, just got two
[03:34:00] kormoc: np
[03:34:00] Kelerion: ok.. here's one.. theres a new global option for "auto record xxx minutes past recording".. unless it conflicts.. I turned this on the other day but it didn't make any change.. so today I told a specific program (thats usually 30 mins long) to record 5 mins past.. the final recording was 40 mins.. it's like that global option only came into play after I did this... am I missing some point?
[03:35:00] defII: ruiner, nothing it uses the same audio everything else uses
[03:35:00] kormoc: ruiner, it's a hardware mpeg 2 card
[03:35:00] Juski: ruiner: it grabs the audio & packs it along with captured video down the PCI bus in MPEG2 format
[03:35:00] kormoc: ruiner, the card spits out a mpeg video file with embedded audio
[03:35:00] defII: ruiner, works great
[03:35:00] Juski: yup, sure does :)
[03:35:00] ruiner: oh ok, thanks a lot =)
[03:36:00] kormoc: defII, not true, some bttv cards require a audio out cable to the audio in of a soundcard and you capture the audio from the soundcard and the video from the tv card.
[03:36:00] defII: ruiner, get the mce version its about 30$ less
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[03:36:00] ruiner: the card i have now is a crappy wintv-go or something, no hardware
[03:36:00] defII: kormoc, yeah but not the 150
[03:36:00] ruiner: so i have to jump audio to my sound card
[03:36:00] Juski: ruiner: nope
[03:36:00] ruiner: defII, i heard the mce version doesnt work well with myth?
[03:36:00] Juski: ruiner: works fine
[03:36:00] ruiner: what's the difference?
[03:36:00] kormoc: defII, I know, but you said it was "nothing it uses the same audio everything else uses", which isn't true :)
[03:36:00] defII: ruiner, I'm using both right now and haven't had any problems
[03:37:00] Juski: (where do people hear this shit?)
[03:37:00] kormoc: ruiner, mce doesn't have the fm radio tuner iirc
[03:37:00] defII: yup
[03:37:00] defII: wait
[03:37:00] ruiner: i didnt think the other one did either
[03:37:00] Juski: ruiner: difference is.. the MCE version has FM tuner... but doesn't come with a remote
[03:37:00] Juski: the non MCE version comes with a remote but has no FM tuner
[03:38:00] kormoc: ahh, I had it backwards.
[03:38:00] defII: yeah lol
[03:38:00] ruiner: ah ok
[03:38:00] ruiner: thanks a lot
[03:38:00] Juski: np
[03:38:00] defII: I had to look on the back of my pc again
[03:38:00] Kelerion: myth can't use a radio tuner anyways can it?
[03:38:00] defII: kormoc, I guess I meant that its all packed in the stream like you said
[03:38:00] Juski: Kelerion: not yet (again)
[03:39:00] defII: kormoc, therefore if you can watch videos and listen to music you should be all se
[03:39:00] defII: set
[03:40:00] Juski: right that's all my icons done
[03:42:00] Juski: how time flies, etc... night all
[03:43:00] kormoc: night
[03:43:00] Kelerion: yup.. nearly 4am here.. am gonna head off too.. g'night all :)
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[03:44:00] darkdrgn2k: Hey any one here know about the IRBlaster IR Transmitter for the PVR150?
[03:45:00] Rule: bedtime, but what do you want to know dark
[03:46:00] Rule: darkdrgn2k: it should work, just got merged into the driver
[03:47:00] defII: kormoc, was that all you had to do to the init script?
[03:47:00] kormoc: yup
[03:48:00] defII: hmm
[03:48:00] defII: still not starting correctly
[03:49:00] defII: I try to stop it and it say pid dosent exist
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[03:50:00] kormoc: but running it from the console works?
[03:51:00] defII: yuo
[03:51:00] defII: yup
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[03:53:00] darkdrgn2k: Rule: yes but do you know if oyu can send custom signals or only the pre-programmed one
[03:53:00] kormoc: odd
[03:53:00] darkdrgn2k: Rule: the sat box i have is NOT in the list :(
[03:54:00] darkdrgn2k: dam
[03:54:00] defII: I might have found my error
[03:54:00] defII: I changed QT= not home+
[03:54:00] defII: =
[03:57:00] defII: works now thanks again
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[04:18:00] darkdrgn2k: how do i configure the SVIDEO output to have a signal on it to?
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[04:19:00] znoG: uhh, compiling mythtv I got a segfault... nasty
[04:24:00] znoG: ah, there it goes
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[04:25:00] stf29: how can i use the szap command with a dvb-s
[04:30:00] darkdrgn2k: how do i configure the SVIDEO output to have a signal on it to?
[04:31:00] cesman: depends on your video card
[04:31:00] darkdrgn2k: cesman: PVR 150
[04:31:00] cesman: if you have an nvidia based card, I'd suggest you read nvidia's readme
[04:31:00] darkdrgn2k: cesman: i cant chagne the the S video
[04:31:00] cesman: that isn't a video card
[04:31:00] darkdrgn2k: cesman: sory TUNER card :-P
[04:32:00] cesman: input, not output correct?
[04:32:00] darkdrgn2k: cesman: how can i add svideo input from a tuner...
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[04:32:00] darkdrgn2k: w/o assigning a channel line up to it
[04:33:00] cesman: Been a while since I've played with that....
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[04:33:00] cesman: you should find info on the archives
[04:34:00] darkdrgn2k: i wanan get my satalite hooked up :( but i cant use the IR BLASTER that came wiht my PVR150 for it! cause its not supported
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[04:46:00] SqWaw: Can anyone help me to updatie channel icons?
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[04:57:00] znoG: guys, where's a good install/setup guide for MythTV? i'm following one from the wiki and after installing (make install) it doesn't quite explain how to setup the MySQL DB side of things
[04:57:00] KaiForce: try googling for "mythtvology" and use the link for the howto if you don't mind using FC4
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[05:03:00] KaiForce: anyone know a good source for ivtv troubleshooting? My second pvr250 isn't autodetecting right and I've tried hardcoding it, but to no avail. Do i need to pull it out of the machine and examine it to determine what I have?
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[05:19:00] johnt: hello everyone
[05:20:00] cesman: hello
[05:21:00] johnt: i noticed that everytime i change input to s-video0 on pvr-350, i have to reboot ubuntu in order for it do work? Is there a way around this? thanks!
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[05:22:00] johnt: mythbackend error without reboot: "error getting inputs for the capturecard... failed to bind to port:6543"
[05:22:00] cesman: soory, I don't use ubuntu
[05:22:00] cesman: what version of ivtv are you using?
[05:22:00] johnt: not sure?
[05:23:00] KaiForce: anyone know a good source for ivtv troubleshooting? My second pvr250 isn't autodetecting right and I've tried hardcoding it, but to no avail. Do i need to pull it out of the machine and examine it to determine what I have?
[05:23:00] johnt: how do i find this out?
[05:23:00] KaiForce: dmesg johnt
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: johnt: ivtvctl -V
[05:23:00] GreyFoxx: I think
[05:24:00] johnt: verion = 0.4.1
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[05:34:00] winga: what would cause knoppmyth to crash right after the ivtv config stuff when it boots or when the autoconfiguration of devices durring install completes?
[05:34:00] winga: the only way i could get it to install was in failsafe
[05:36:00] znoG: do I *need* XMLTV even if I'm not in a supported XMLTV country?
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[05:41:00] KaiForce: anyone know what markings on the pvr250 matter in determing tuner type?
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[05:44:00] johnt: KaiForce: r u saying your machine doesn't detect it?
[05:45:00] KaiForce: it detects the first one ok, the second one detects improperly and all I get from it is static
[05:45:00] KaiForce: it sees it as a 150 with tuner 50? i think
[05:46:00] KaiForce: i'm looking at the cards now, they are both 250s and there are differences in some of the markings on the chips
[05:47:00] cesman: winga: what happens if you remove the card?
[05:49:00] KaiForce: i'm trying to find out where the tuner type is specified on the card, one site said I may need to peel the sticker off
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[05:52:00] winga: cesman, the tv tuner card?
[05:52:00] nillax: Can someone help me line up the sound on my Myth Box with the video?
[05:53:00] nillax: the only sound i seem to get if from the line in and that will always be ahead of the video...right?
[05:54:00] GreyFoxx: nillax: No, not if you configure the audio right
[05:55:00] GreyFoxx: you are likely hearing the "live" audio but watching the buffered video
[05:55:00] znoG: hrm, when I go to the "channel scanner", mythtv says it "failed to open card"
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[05:55:00] znoG: strange, as it works with xawtv
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[06:01:00] znoG: anyone know if I *need* to create a video source for mythtv to wor?
[06:01:00] znoG: work?
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[06:01:00] znoG: my country is not on the list, so its a bit hard to create the entry
[06:02:00] KaiForce: damn, i cannot find a matrix of pvr-250s & ivtv tuner types anywhere
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[06:05:00] mchou: KaiForce: tveeprom should tell you what the type is. Should be in dmesg
[06:06:00] mchou: tveeprom is rarely wrong (unless the kernel/module is not up to date)
[06:06:00] adante: znoG: should be ok to throw in any old one, although if you're using digital scanning the channels may be a little tricky (no idea how it works in analogue)
[06:06:00] KaiForce: i suspect it is being misdetected mchou – the cardtype for the first card is detected at first as a pvr-150, but later it is updated to say pvr250. the second card is detected as a 150 and it is never corrected....
[06:07:00] mchou: KaiForce: ivtv may be misdetecting, but tveeprom shouldnt :)
[06:07:00] KaiForce: i just want to hardcode the tuner but I can't find anywhere to tell me what I have – some sites say "peel back the sticker" but nowhere is there a list to match what i find under the sticker to a specific tuner type
[06:07:00] mchou: and if ivtv is misdetecting, then you need to use a different version of ivtv :)
[06:08:00] mchou: screw "peel back the sticker"
[06:08:00] KaiForce: i'm on 0.4.1 – should i go back?
[06:08:00] mchou: KaiForce: it's a crapshoot
[06:09:00] znoG: adante: yea, i don't know why it cant detect the card.. im worried about the "failed to open card" message
[06:09:00] KaiForce: isn't ivtv support for pvr250 pretty mature?
[06:09:00] KaiForce: i see
[06:09:00] mchou: KaiForce: ivtv is full of coding errors
[06:09:00] KaiForce: shiznit
[06:09:00] mchou: especially when it comes to card "assignment"
[06:10:00] mchou: bugs been in there for a very long time
[06:10:00] KaiForce: ok so why not hardcode? what is the downside?
[06:10:00] mchou: you can give it a shot if you know what you're doing in the ivtv source......
[06:10:00] KaiForce: i mean as a module option in modprobe.conf
[06:11:00] mchou: it's not only referenced in one place
[06:11:00] mchou: cause that the part that's busted.
[06:11:00] KaiForce: maybe i'm making an error here, i don't differentiate between tveeprom and ivtv....
[06:12:00] adante: znoG: hrm, lsof and see if something's using it?
[06:12:00] mchou: paste dmesg in pastebin
[06:13:00] mchou: here's what my tveeprom says: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C199, serial# = 7936133
[06:13:00] mchou: tveeprom: tuner = TCL 2002N 5H (idx = 99, type = 50)
[06:13:00] KaiForce: roger wilco, i have the cards out, let me reassemble and reboot....
[06:13:00] KaiForce: boot rather.
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[06:21:00] znoG: theoretically, if my card works with xawtv, it should work with mythtv........... right?
[06:24:00] xpis: znoG: What is your card?
[06:24:00] lilo: all done
[06:24:00] KaiForce: ok dmesg looks different now... let me see what is going on..
[06:25:00] xpis: znoG: if it works with video4linux, which is what xawtv uses, it should work in mythtv. However, there are display issues and framegrabbing issues to consider.
[06:25:00] znoG: xpis: its a bt878 based card (conexant chip)
[06:25:00] xpis: znoG: bt878 cards are well supported.
[06:26:00] znoG: xpis: question: can I remove any video sources from mythtv? i live in a country where there's no xmltv listings available
[06:26:00] KaiForce: http://pastebin.ca/36762
[06:26:00] znoG: xpis: what i mean is, should it still work without them? i thought it would just scan for channels
[06:27:00] xpis: znoG: I'm not exactly sure what you're asking
[06:27:00] znoG: xpis: in the mythtv-setup program, there are video sources one can setup
[06:27:00] znoG: and you have to choose where to get the xmltv data from
[06:27:00] znoG: and my country is not on the list
[06:27:00] mchou: KaiForce: they are both 250s??
[06:28:00] znoG: so i'm just wondering whether mythtv should still work without a video source since its pointless adding one for another country
[06:28:00] adante: znoG: you analogue or digital?
[06:28:00] xpis: znoG: it will work, it just won't have any program data.
[06:28:00] xpis: He's bt878. analog.
[06:28:00] KaiForce: mchou: yes
[06:29:00] mchou: KaiForce: heh, you may be outta luck
[06:29:00] znoG: xpis: yea, i'll have to live with that until xmltv data is available for my country
[06:29:00] mchou: KaiForce: put the cards in the system one at a a time.
[06:30:00] mchou: 1st card looks right, tuner type=8
[06:30:00] mchou: KaiForce: see if it detects correctly if only one is in there (2x)
[06:31:00] xpis: znoG: Do you live in a country with Guideplus+ or TV Guide On Screen available? If so, it should be possible to implement support for these listings by blatantly breaking Guidestar's patents.
[06:31:00] znoG: xpis: nope, i don't
[06:31:00] KaiForce: try one and then the other to see if detected correctly?
[06:31:00] mchou: KaiForce: yup
[06:31:00] KaiForce: ok
[06:32:00] xpis: znoG: How about yahoo? Can you get tv listings there?
[06:32:00] znoG: xpis: i can get them from www.tvguide.com, but not in xmltv format
[06:32:00] znoG: 2006-01–14 03:32:40.086 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(-1, PAL-N) while setting input (v4l v2) eno: Invalid argument (22)
[06:32:00] znoG: is that bad?
[06:33:00] xpis: znoG: Was that preceded by ioctl?
[06:34:00] xpis: znoG: you need to fix your mythtv settings. It tried to switch to an input named -1. The driver simply refused.
[06:35:00] xpis: znoG: mythtvsetup should automatically only select available display options. Try running it again.
[06:35:00] znoG: see, thats just it... to have an input, i need a video source, to have a video source, i have to choose a forceably choose a xmltv country listing
[06:36:00] znoG: err that didn't make much sense, but you know what I meant, right? :)
[06:36:00] znoG: s/choose a//
[06:36:00] znoG: which makes me think a video source is compulsory, as is choosing a xmltv listing :(
[06:37:00] xpis: You could always create a wrapper to tvguide.com
[06:38:00] xpis: (using code from the old zap2it wrapper)
[06:38:00] xpis: Or, just choose a data source, but never let it actually fetch any information.
[06:39:00] xpis: Or, try modifying your settings without mythtvsetup.
[06:40:00] znoG: yea, i think its a good idea to create that wrapper
[06:41:00] xpis: The only thing is that tvguide would most likely block an attempt for a script to parse its site. Thus, it may be smart to use privilaged javascript in Firefox to access the DOM of tvguide.com.
[06:42:00] xpis: Then, it would load everything, ads and all. To tvguide, it would just be someone in firefox browsing the schedule. Random delays could even be added.
[06:43:00] xpis: You would simply create a Firefox extension called GemMyth or something to get the information in a hidden window.
[06:44:00] znoG: it works xpis !
[06:44:00] znoG: thanks veeeery much
[06:44:00] znoG: i can watch the tele, what i can't get is audio though..
[06:44:00] znoG: audio works with xmms/mpg321, not with mythtv or xawtv
[06:45:00] xpis: Audio on the bt878 would have to be connected either internally or externally to a sound card.
[06:45:00] xpis: (or other digital-analog audio converter)
[06:46:00] xpis: Consult your card's manual for details on how to do this.
[06:46:00] znoG: ahh yes now that you mention it it did have one of those audio connectors you normally find on cdroms
[06:46:00] xpis: Ok. Just connect it to the "cd-in" on your soundcard.
[06:47:00] xpis: (forget about the CD drive... it's useless having it play audio in that way anyhow.
[06:47:00] znoG: yeah, i removed it from the CDROM, not like I ever play CDs on my PC anyway :)
[06:48:00] xpis: Even if you did, you would most likely be ripping it first.
[06:51:00] znoG: weird, i did just that and on the speakers I hear a very soft buzz-sound
[06:51:00] znoG: like there's some speech going on but totally distorted
[06:51:00] EricL: Is there a list of packages required to compile the mythtv-plugins?
[06:51:00] znoG: whats the key again to go forward a chan?
[06:58:00] znoG: xpis: hrm, any ideas on this audio prob? sounds all garbled
[06:59:00] mchou: KaiForce: heh, KaiForce, you still there?
[07:00:00] KaiForce: yes working on a problem... sorry for delay
[07:00:00] mchou: KaiForce: you need this line in modprobe.conf: options tuner=8,50
[07:00:00] KaiForce: ok will try
[07:00:00] mchou: line 62 in pastebin is funky :)
[07:01:00] mchou: I think once you do that everything should be ok :)
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[07:02:00] mchou: actually "options ivtv tuner=8,50"
[07:03:00] znoG: the howto lists up/down as the keys to change chan, but they don't seem to work when watching TV?
[07:04:00] znoG: ok they do work
[07:05:00] znoG: lack of audio problem is my only problem left.. grrr!!
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[07:12:00] KaiForce: mchou: no joy with tuner type 50, picked it up (see it dmesg) but still static.
[07:13:00] |Slurpee|: yoooo
[07:13:00] |Slurpee|: who wants to help me out ??????
[07:14:00] |Slurpee|: my mythtv sucks
[07:14:00] |Slurpee|: i want to switch distros
[07:14:00] |Slurpee|: does anybody kno any good guides that i can follw ?
[07:14:00] |Slurpee|: i have been trying debian and my video cards wont seutp correctly
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[07:15:00] GreyFoxx: I found the one at mythtv.org to do the trick
[07:15:00] \Grooby\: or the gentoo wiki
[07:16:00] |Slurpee|: im looking for the easiest way to get mythtv going
[07:16:00] |Slurpee|: which distro should i choose
[07:16:00] \Grooby\: knoppmyth
[07:16:00] \Grooby\: just kinda upgrade down the road
[07:16:00] GreyFoxx: *shrug* I don't pick distros cause their easy so I can't really answer that
[07:16:00] |Slurpee|: sempron2800+ 64 bit, 1 gig ddr, pvr-150, geforce fx5200
[07:17:00] znoG: cool, thanks all got it all working
[07:17:00] znoG: just had to disable PCM and all is good
[07:17:00] \Grooby\: (i f-ed myself over by rebooting)
[07:17:00] \Grooby\: now i get sound but none of my PVR cards nor HD3K has proper screen
[07:17:00] \Grooby\: not sure if it's problem with X or what
[07:18:00] |Slurpee|: what is knoppmyth about ?
[07:18:00] \Grooby\: kinda like knoppix
[07:18:00] \Grooby\: you pop in the cd, install
[07:19:00] \Grooby\: and within couple minutes, you have a full working mythtv
[07:20:00] |Slurpee|: what distro is it ?
[07:20:00] \Grooby\: base of knoppix...so debian?!?!
[07:20:00] |Slurpee|: do i need debian installed or is that included in the cd ?
[07:21:00] \Grooby\: it's in the cd
[07:21:00] |Slurpee|: whoa
[07:21:00] \Grooby\: it installs everything for you
[07:21:00] GreyFoxx: Knoppix is a distro, it's and offshoot of debian
[07:21:00] |Slurpee|: http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[07:21:00] \Grooby\: it's pretty easy to install
[07:21:00] GreyFoxx: Knoppmyth is built on top of Knoppix
[07:21:00] |Slurpee|: which one should i download ?
[07:21:00] \Grooby\: any one of them
[07:21:00] \Grooby\: hehehehe
[07:22:00] |Slurpee|: interesting
[07:22:00] |Slurpee|: u think it will reconize my fx5200 and pvr150 ?
[07:23:00] \Grooby\: yup
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[07:23:00] |Slurpee|: my only problem with debian was getting my vid/tv card working with x
[07:23:00] \Grooby\: you shouldn't have too much problem
[07:23:00] |Slurpee|: i use dbeian every day at work, but only in command line
[07:23:00] \Grooby\: there's the forum and aslo a wiki
[07:23:00] \Grooby\: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/
[07:23:00] \Grooby\: and #knoppmyth
[07:24:00] \Grooby\: hehehehe
[07:25:00] |Slurpee|: im downloading at 700k
[07:25:00] |Slurpee|: ive been sitting in this channel since early decemeber
[07:25:00] KaiForce: mchou: no joy. tuner type 50, if other card is busy, static in live tv then eventually "error was encountered while displaying video" if i record two shows at once this card records static....
[07:25:00] |Slurpee|: and no one has mentioned this
[07:25:00] |Slurpee|: they all kept trying to tell me how to fix x
[07:25:00] |Slurpee|: and it never worked
[07:26:00] znoG: weird, audio seems to be in sync if I watch using xawtv .. but with mythtv, audio/video is out of sync
[07:26:00] |Slurpee|: i found info on how to isntall both fx5200 and pvr-150
[07:26:00] |Slurpee|: grooby, thanx
[07:26:00] |Slurpee|: have u ever installed knopixmyht ?
[07:27:00] \Grooby\: yeah
[07:27:00] \Grooby\: i started my mythtv experience w/ knoppmyth
[07:27:00] \Grooby\: used it for about 1 yr
[07:27:00] \Grooby\: then switch over to gentoo
[07:28:00] KaiForce: i give up
[07:28:00] GreyFoxx: One of these days I should look at knoppmyth, just to see what it's setup is like
[07:28:00] KaiForce: white flag waving
[07:29:00] \Grooby\: i just gotta get this box up and running again by tomorrow 4:30pm est
[07:29:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
[07:30:00] \Grooby\: trying to upgrade to kernel 2.6.15 with the new lirc
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[07:32:00] |Slurpee|: grooby, i a finding that lots of people have had problems setting up the pvr-150
[07:32:00] \Grooby\: i got the 150mce
[07:32:00] \Grooby\: worked right out of box with ivtv 4.0
[07:32:00] \Grooby\: didn't have to do anything.....
[07:32:00] |Slurpee|: how do i tell which i have
[07:33:00] |Slurpee|: wintv-pvr-150
[07:33:00] |Slurpee|: with remote
[07:33:00] \Grooby\: ok
[07:33:00] |Slurpee|: which is that
[07:33:00] \Grooby\: yours none mce
[07:33:00] \Grooby\: i don't have a remote
[07:33:00] GreyFoxx: if it has a remote and came in a box, it's not the mce version
[07:33:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
[07:33:00] |Slurpee|: is that bad ?
[07:33:00] GreyFoxx: no
[07:33:00] KaiForce: that's good
[07:33:00] |Slurpee|: k
[07:33:00] ** \Grooby\ waves at kaiforce **
[07:34:00] |Slurpee|: good with knoppmyth ?
[07:34:00] \Grooby\: last I heard, yes
[07:34:00] KaiForce: KaiForce chucks ivtv code at Grooby
[07:34:00] ** \Grooby\ ducks **
[07:34:00] \Grooby\: hehehe
[07:34:00] KaiForce: if only i could chuck code :)
[07:35:00] |Slurpee|: should i edit stuff to get the remote working
[07:35:00] |Slurpee|: or should knopp myth config everything for me ?
[07:35:00] \Grooby\: one of the steps I believe asked you which remote you have
[07:35:00] \Grooby\: :)
[07:35:00] |Slurpee|: which guide is that
[07:36:00] \Grooby\: umm..I don't remember..hehe
[07:37:00] |Slurpee|: 10 more minz kn knoppmyth download
[07:37:00] \Grooby\: cool
[07:37:00] |Slurpee|: i shoulda coooked a fucking pizza
[07:38:00] |Slurpee|: groooby, how does knoppmyth and gentoo differ ?
[07:38:00] \Grooby\: knoppmyth upgrade means you wait for new release
[07:39:00] \Grooby\: gentoo upgrade = emerge -uD world
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: knoppmyth good with mame ?
[07:39:00] \Grooby\: yup
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: really ??
[07:39:00] \Grooby\: worked fine when I had it
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: im really want to play mortal kombat II
[07:39:00] \Grooby\: too bad I lost all my roms
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: i work in the computer industry
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: and i NEVER play video games
[07:39:00] |Slurpee|: but i LOVE mkII
[07:39:00] \Grooby\: lol
[07:40:00] KaiForce: mchou: ok I had given up, and tried one last thing: specifying cardtype as well as tuner in modprobe.conf. BINGO!
[07:40:00] KaiForce: thanks for your help
[07:40:00] \Grooby\: greyfoxx, have you encounter system loads in the 7.xx on your mythbox?
[07:41:00] GreyFoxx: Not unless I was the one causing it
[07:41:00] KaiForce: now I gotta find out why i have to reload ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd before my usb2serial cable will work.....
[07:42:00] \Grooby\: if I watch a recorded HD show and has 1 backend task (transcode or commflag)
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[07:42:00] \Grooby\: then my load shoots up to 7+
[07:42:00] \Grooby\: wonder if theres anything I can do to fix that....
[07:44:00] GreyFoxx: Buy a faster processor ? *shrug*
[07:44:00] GreyFoxx: Or better, determine the exact reason for the spike :)
[07:45:00] |Slurpee|: grooby, can u help me with knopp install ??
[07:45:00] |Slurpee|: i have less than 1 minute left on download and fast burner
[07:47:00] \Grooby\: i've not done this in a while...i can "help" but I dunno how much help i will be
[07:47:00] \Grooby\: it's fairly straight forward
[07:47:00] \Grooby\: but ask away anyway
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[07:49:00] \Grooby\: dual core greyfoxx?
[07:50:00] GreyFoxx: is that a question or a statement ?
[07:51:00] |Slurpee|: knopp myth use 64 bit chips ?
[07:52:00] \Grooby\: question
[07:52:00] \Grooby\: and no, it's straight x86
[07:53:00] |Slurpee|: sorry for my delay
[07:53:00] |Slurpee|: first cd burn was a coaster
[07:53:00] |Slurpee|: i ahvent burned a cd on this box in probably a year
[07:54:00] \Grooby\: hehehehe
[07:54:00] |Slurpee|: just poped in cd into mythtv and rebooted
[07:54:00] \Grooby\: yup
[07:54:00] |Slurpee|: i need to switch to other screen
[07:54:00] |Slurpee|: can we talk via aim ?
[07:54:00] |Slurpee|: i can use myphone for it
[07:56:00] rtsai: does anyone use the "Audio Sync" feature when playing back recordings?
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[08:01:00] |Slurpee|: grooby, knoppix has ssh ?
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[08:01:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't seen a distro that didnt come with ssh in years
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[08:03:00] JustinS: good afternoon all .. Two basic questions before I start building my media box .. What do I need need to add to my box (spacificly) for lirc, and secondly other than my sb live card and nvidia fx5700le video card .. what tv capture card should I seek?
[08:04:00] \Grooby\: slurpee, as in client or daeman?
[08:04:00] cesman: a remote that is supported by LIRC, depends on what you want to capture (SDTV, HDTV, DVB?)...
[08:06:00] \Grooby\: slurpee, meet cesman...creator of knoppmyth
[08:06:00] JustinS: I'm just a normal cable tv'r . nothing fancy here . .. I've got a bunch of movies on my server, audio in all formats, and of course I wanna watch some cable ..
[08:07:00] JustinS: I'm looking at this one right now .. : .. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ategory=3761 ..:.. ..
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[08:12:00] |Slurpee|: cesman, thax for creating knopix !@
[08:12:00] |Slurpee|: i just installed fresh off it for my first time and it started up perfect
[08:12:00] cesman: I didn't create knopix
[08:12:00] |Slurpee|: <\Grooby\> slurpee, meet cesman...creator of knoppmyth
[08:13:00] |Slurpee|: i mean knopmyth
[08:13:00] cesman: right, KnoppMyth, not knopix
[08:13:00] cesman: :)
[08:13:00] |Slurpee|: sorry, its 2 am here and ive been up since 7am
[08:13:00] cesman: glad it just worked!
[08:13:00] |Slurpee|: yea
[08:13:00] cesman: at midnight here....
[08:13:00] |Slurpee|: i tried debian for a few weeks and coudlnt get back nvida driver problems
[08:13:00] |Slurpee|: the auto install took care of that for me and x started no probmes
[08:13:00] cesman: 6 margaritas down....
[08:13:00] cesman: :)
[08:14:00] |Slurpee|: yea im about 8 beers down :)
[08:14:00] |Slurpee|: well since u kno knopmyth ..
[08:14:00] |Slurpee|: u care to help me out a bit ?
[08:14:00] |Slurpee|: i just logged in for the first time
[08:14:00] cesman: ok
[08:15:00] |Slurpee|: it is asking about boot splash
[08:15:00] |Slurpee|: im not sure what it means
[08:15:00] cesman: bootsplash is a graphic boot screen
[08:15:00] cesman: instead of text, you'll see a graphic
[08:15:00] |Slurpee|: well i plan on having this always on my tv
[08:15:00] cesman: my sbe is on a TV
[08:16:00] |Slurpee|: i can have bootsplash and ssh ?
[08:16:00] cesman: bootsplash will work, however TTYs may not
[08:16:00] |Slurpee|: tty?
[08:16:00] cesman: it should be an issue
[08:16:00] cesman: yes, you can have bootsplash and ssh
[08:17:00] cesman: <crtl><alt><f1> thru <f6>
[08:17:00] cesman: terminals
[08:17:00] |Slurpee|: yo
[08:17:00] |Slurpee|: it is asking me for my remote
[08:17:00] |Slurpee|: i have a hauppauge pvr-150 that came with a remote
[08:17:00] |Slurpee|: and i dont have the ir port plugged in
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[08:20:00] cesman: ok
[08:20:00] cesman: you can still select that remote and plug it in later
[08:21:00] |Slurpee|: which modules do i need
[08:21:00] |Slurpee|: i386 or skip
[08:21:00] |Slurpee|: i think it said i386.....sorry im switchin between boxes on 1 monitor
[08:21:00] cesman: well, there is no i386 modules
[08:21:00] cesman: i586 or i686
[08:21:00] cesman: what processor do you have?
[08:21:00] |Slurpee|: 686 or skip
[08:22:00] |Slurpee|: sempron 2800+ 64 bit
[08:23:00] cesman: i686
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[08:25:00] |Slurpee|: k
[08:25:00] |Slurpee|: now it is asking about my cap card
[08:25:00] |Slurpee|: delete the settings or no
[08:25:00] |Slurpee|: i have a pvr-150
[08:25:00] \Grooby\: yes
[08:25:00] \Grooby\: it's running mythtv-setup
[08:25:00] |Slurpee|: delete ?
[08:25:00] \Grooby\: yeah
[08:25:00] \Grooby\: doesn't hurt
[08:26:00] |Slurpee|: clear channel program?
[08:26:00] \Grooby\: yup
[08:26:00] \Grooby\: and you have a zap2it account right?
[08:27:00] |Slurpee|: zap2it ?
[08:27:00] |Slurpee|: i have no zap2it account
[08:27:00] \Grooby\: to grab tv guides?
[08:27:00] |Slurpee|: and i just got into mythtv
[08:27:00] \Grooby\: (assuming you are in the united state)
[08:27:00] |Slurpee|: its in the setup i think
[08:28:00] \Grooby\: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3
[08:29:00] |Slurpee|: well im more concerned about having my mythtv working
[08:29:00] |Slurpee|: im not sure if it is even sending a signal to the tv
[08:29:00] \Grooby\: you'll need that to run the setup and get tv guide info
[08:30:00] \Grooby\: you'll need to sign up
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[08:33:00] |Slurpee|: i will
[08:33:00] |Slurpee|: but how do i kno my cap card works n stuff
[08:33:00] \Grooby\: sign up with zap2it
[08:34:00] \Grooby\: during the setup, it will download the channel info and freq from them
[08:34:00] \Grooby\: and then see if you can watch livetv
[08:35:00] confusi0n: sup
[08:36:00] |Slurpee|: so i have to downloado the channel info to my mythtv ?
[08:36:00] \Grooby\: yup
[08:36:00] |Slurpee|: well right now its in the mythtv setup screen
[08:36:00] |Slurpee|: were do i go in there
[08:36:00] \Grooby\: channel setup
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: for me, I create a cox cable profile on zap2it (after I created the account)
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: and in channel setup, I select US (zap2it datadirect)
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: enter my user name/pass
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: it will grab the profiles you create
[08:37:00] |Slurpee|: there is no way to ssh this ?
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: select the profile that goes with your cable provider
[08:37:00] \Grooby\: nope
[08:37:00] |Slurpee|: i just put svideo to my tv
[08:38:00] |Slurpee|: and it isnt outputting video
[08:38:00] \Grooby\: mythtv-setup is x only
[08:38:00] \Grooby\: i *think* you need to do that during boot up
[08:38:00] \Grooby\: some video card will detect which output is plugged in during boot and use that
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[08:38:00] |Slurpee|: well im still setting up mythtv
[08:38:00] \Grooby\: or you can force it in your xfree86–4 config
[08:39:00] |Slurpee|: how do i finish setting this stuff up ?
[08:39:00] \Grooby\: can't plug the vga back in?
[08:39:00] |Slurpee|: i have both plugged in
[08:39:00] |Slurpee|: i can see the vga
[08:39:00] \Grooby\: just use the vga for now
[08:39:00] |Slurpee|: but no svideo
[08:39:00] \Grooby\: you can use that as a tv output
[08:39:00] \Grooby\: get the box up and running
[08:40:00] |Slurpee|: k
[08:40:00] \Grooby\: then reboot with only svideo plug in and see
[08:40:00] |Slurpee|: k
[08:40:00] \Grooby\: if that does not work, you can ssh into the box to modify your x config file
[08:40:00] |Slurpee|: so what shall i do now
[08:40:00] \Grooby\: create your zap2it account and create those profiles
[08:40:00] |Slurpee|: how do i create it on my myth tv in myth setup
[08:40:00] |Slurpee|: im still setting stuff up ....
[08:41:00] \Grooby\: you need another box with a browser
[08:41:00] \Grooby\: :)
[08:41:00] |Slurpee|: my windows box im on now ?
[08:41:00] \Grooby\: yup
[08:41:00] \Grooby\: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3
[08:42:00] |Slurpee|: i just created an account n its frozen
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[08:42:00] |Slurpee|: slurpee was taken as a user !
[08:42:00] |Slurpee|: wtf
[08:43:00] \Grooby\: slurpee711
[08:43:00] \Grooby\: :)
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: lol
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: ive been slurpee for like 10 years now
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: i keep seeing others poping up
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: k
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: im on zap2it
[08:43:00] |Slurpee|: now what
[08:44:00] \Grooby\: add lineup
[08:44:00] \Grooby\: enter your zipcode
[08:44:00] |Slurpee|: im in
[08:44:00] |Slurpee|: i got my channels set to the ones i have
[08:45:00] \Grooby\: ok
[08:45:00] \Grooby\: finish
[08:45:00] |Slurpee|: finish how
[08:45:00] |Slurpee|: im on the zap2it website in my account settings
[08:45:00] \Grooby\: and you add a lineup right?
[08:46:00] |Slurpee|: added line up to mythtv? no
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[08:46:00] \Grooby\: no
[08:46:00] \Grooby\: in the zap2it account page
[08:46:00] |Slurpee|: i have my local zip code and my cable providor selected
[08:46:00] |Slurpee|: is that what u mean ?
[08:47:00] \Grooby\: yes
[08:47:00] \Grooby\: and after that, it should give you a big check list of all the channels
[08:47:00] \Grooby\: at the bottom of that page is "finish"
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[08:48:00] |Slurpee|: i dont have finish
[08:48:00] |Slurpee|: but i have yes or no
[08:48:00] |Slurpee|: and i lcicked yes for my chanel listings
[08:48:00] \Grooby\: ok..yes
[08:49:00] |Slurpee|: k
[08:51:00] |Slurpee|: no more ideas ?
[08:51:00] \Grooby\: ??
[08:51:00] |Slurpee|: what is the next step
[08:51:00] \Grooby\: once your line up is setup
[08:51:00] \Grooby\: go back to the mythtv-setup
[08:51:00] \Grooby\: go to channels
[08:52:00] \Grooby\: add new channels
[08:52:00] \Grooby\: use the US/datadirect
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[09:00:00] |Slurpee|: i disconnected the wrong cable
[09:00:00] \Grooby\: lol
[09:00:00] \Grooby\: oops
[09:01:00] |Slurpee|: hmm
[09:01:00] |Slurpee|: now that i have cable in
[09:01:00] |Slurpee|: i think i might get more options ?
[09:01:00] \Grooby\: setup capture card
[09:02:00] \Grooby\: then 4th option, you associate the capture card's "tuner" to the channel line up
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[09:04:00] |Slurpee|: hmm
[09:04:00] |Slurpee|: it forze up
[09:04:00] |Slurpee|: i restarted
[09:04:00] |Slurpee|: and now i get no video
[09:06:00] \Grooby\: hmmmm
[09:06:00] \Grooby\: i would say get mythtv runnin on vga monitor first
[09:06:00] \Grooby\: cause you can modify your xorg config to force tv output
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[09:12:00] |Slurpee|: k
[09:12:00] |Slurpee|: how do i set that up
[09:13:00] |Slurpee|: i looked in gernal settings and i have a 12.7 ip
[09:13:00] |Slurpee|: is ther eany way to dhcp ?
[09:13:00] |Slurpee|: do i need to open ports on my router ?
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: i thought dhcp is default
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: no?
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: oh oh oh
[09:14:00] |Slurpee|: its what i assumed
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: the general setup uses loopback
[09:14:00] |Slurpee|: but i have a 127 add
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: it connects to mythbackend via the loopback
[09:14:00] \Grooby\: so you are ok there
[09:14:00] |Slurpee|: k
[09:14:00] |Slurpee|: so whats next
[09:17:00] \Grooby\: you associate the capture's tuner with your lineup right?
[09:17:00] |Slurpee|: nope
[09:17:00] |Slurpee|: how do i do that
[09:17:00] \Grooby\: you add your capture card?
[09:17:00] |Slurpee|: i perosnally havent
[09:18:00] \Grooby\: add the capture card
[09:18:00] |Slurpee|: how
[09:18:00] \Grooby\: in the mythtv-setup
[09:18:00] \Grooby\: isn't one of the option capture card?
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[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: ye
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: im in that optino
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: it says lots of types of cap cards
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: but not pvr-150
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: its says pvr-250 and pvr 300
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: but no pvr-150
[09:19:00] |Slurpee|: would that be basic v4l ?
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[09:21:00] \Grooby\: use those
[09:21:00] \Grooby\: pvr 150,250,350 are all very similar
[09:22:00] |Slurpee|: default input?
[09:22:00] |Slurpee|: svideo? composite? etc ...
[09:22:00] \Grooby\: tuner
[09:23:00] |Slurpee|: 1?
[09:23:00] |Slurpee|: 2?
[09:23:00] \Grooby\: 1
[09:24:00] |Slurpee|: 0 or 1
[09:24:00] \Grooby\: 0
[09:24:00] |Slurpee|: and what should video device be video 0 or video1
[09:24:00] \Grooby\: should be 0
[09:24:00] \Grooby\: if it doesn't work, we can come back to fix it
[09:25:00] |Slurpee|: k
[09:25:00] |Slurpee|: video sources ?
[09:25:00] |Slurpee|: is that the next step ?
[09:25:00] \Grooby\: yes
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: go to tuner and pick your channel profile
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: video source name
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: xmltv listing grabber
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: user id and passwor
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: ok
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: dretriveve linups
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: call cable
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: data direct linup
[09:26:00] |Slurpee|: channel frequency table
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: or whatever your provider is
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: data direct lineup
[09:26:00] \Grooby\: user id/pass = your zap2 it account
[09:27:00] \Grooby\: (sorry..i am also working on my box so response will be a bit slow now)
[09:28:00] xris: woot... revert kernel and the mythbox works again.
[09:28:00] |Slurpee|: i typed in cable
[09:29:00] |Slurpee|: then data direct
[09:29:00] \Grooby\: xris, to what version?
[09:29:00] |Slurpee|: user name
[09:29:00] |Slurpee|: and i pressed enter on retireve listing and nothing happens
[09:29:00] |Slurpee|: do i need ports opened on my router ?
[09:30:00] xris: \Grooby\: to one with a working ivtv driver installed (compiling for the new one failed for some reason)
[09:30:00] \Grooby\: i just upgraded to .5
[09:30:00] \Grooby\: and just tried to emerge ivtv and failed
[09:30:00] xris: issue was that I had a blackout the other day.. machine came back up with a new kernel selected, but I didn't realize.
[09:30:00] xris: \Grooby\: I'm still using .3.2y
[09:30:00] xris: it works, I'm not going to upgrade
[09:31:00] |Slurpee|: mine still dont work ....
[09:31:00] |Slurpee|: ;/
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[09:33:00] |Slurpee|: no ideas/
[09:35:00] \Grooby\: i might have to go back to 2.6.14 kernel....grrrrrr
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[10:00:00] \Grooby\: ok..back to normal now
[10:00:00] \Grooby\: w00t
[10:00:00] \Grooby\: runs a bit better
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[10:43:00] sjaakz0r: anyone here running mythTV on debian?
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[11:04:00] dasOp: aye
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[11:14:00] malaTG: Hi everyone! Is there a way to set repeat on a key like in lirc when you use a joystick to control myth?
[11:14:00] malaTG: so you just can hold the joystick up or down?
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[12:01:00] BlackJudas: Oooh, I'm about to get it running on debian :/ if only ivtv actually worked for me.
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[12:16:00] Juski: anyone here ever checked in the archives how many times people ask "anyone here...."?
[12:17:00] laga: Juski: i'm sure beirdo could come up with some stats using cacti
[12:18:00] Juski: hiya laga: just had a nice lie-in. how's you?
[12:19:00] laga: had to get up too early because i had an appointment. car was frozen from the inside. shitty day so far ;)
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[12:21:00] galorin: I've got a problem encoding dvd's, in anything other than perrfect mode. The process fails partway through the ripping to file process.
[12:22:00] laga: is mtd running?
[12:22:00] galorin: yes it is.
[12:22:00] laga: built with transcode support? check the mtd logs
[12:23:00] galorin: I got the build from abarbaccia.com with transcode support built in.
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[12:25:00] galorin: I have been able to rip in perfect mode, but that's a might bit big....
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[12:45:00] galorin: Looks like mtd is returning "fileobs.o: Ripfile tried to write 409600 bytes, but only managed to write 391168"
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[13:32:00] sjaakz0r: can anyone help me with this error unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[13:32:00] sjaakz0r: for a hauppauge 500
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[14:03:00] sjaakz0r: how can I tune my tvcard without mythtv just to see if it works
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[14:18:00] Juski: hmmm.. got a complaint about the PVR150... audio was clipping so I turned the recording volume down.. now when I play back recordings I have to turn my amp up quite a bit to hear it properly – but any more recording volume & it distorts. bah
[14:19:00] Juski: one of the disadvantages of using digital audio output – you can't turn it up
[14:21:00] Juski: ah, but wait a sec.. the digital audio is already at 100% volume... might need to experiment with stuff
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[14:40:00] znoG: what would cause video/audio to be out of sync?
[14:43:00] Bog_: dunno
[14:43:00] sjaakz0r: why can't I apt-get install mysql ?
[14:45:00] sjaakz0r: sorry wrong channel :P
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[14:47:00] sjaakz0r: does MythTV need the mysqlserver or mysqlclient?
[14:47:00] sjaakz0r: server I guess?
[14:50:00] galorin: sjaakz0r, it needs the server, since it keeps loads of info in the database
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[14:53:00] Bog_: what remotes and receivers are others here using?
[14:55:00] Juski: Bog_: using a home made LIRC receiver here – and a One For All remote
[14:56:00] Bog_: juski: ok. I'm trying to find a pre-built LIRC receiver that can be connected to my mobo com header
[14:56:00] Juski: ermm.. there won't be any
[14:56:00] Juski: what you'll need to do is get a serial LIRC receiver
[14:56:00] sona: have you guys heard of any plans where you'd be able connecting t mythbackend with something else than mythfrontend, perhaps something supported in windows.
[14:56:00] sona: ?
[14:56:00] Juski: then get a cable to plug into your motherboard's serial port header
[14:56:00] Juski: sona: winmyth
[14:57:00] Bog_: juski: I'm still searching for that even without luck
[14:57:00] Juski: but it's a pile o crap & doesn't work well. when it does work it has a tendency to break mythbackend
[14:57:00] sona: how could I have missed winmyth..
[14:57:00] sona: thanks
[14:57:00] Juski: sona: it's a PoS
[14:57:00] sona: PoS ?
[14:57:00] Juski: it's crao
[14:58:00] Juski: crap even
[14:58:00] sona: aha, I wont be able to connect to a linux mythbackend with it ?
[14:58:00] Juski: the developer of it was asking how to reverse engineer the mythtv protocol – when all he could have done is read mythtv's source code
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[14:58:00] Juski: sona: it might work, or it might not. chances are it won't
[14:59:00] Juski: people have had success using knoppmyth in 'live' mode, connecting a PC to a mythtv backend without having to install anything
[15:00:00] Juski: but that'll involve rebooting
[15:00:00] Juski: and booting off the CD
[15:00:00] Bog_: juski: do you know if I use a lirc receiver if it will work with MCE?
[15:00:00] Juski: Bog_: no I don't think it'd work.
[15:01:00] sona: http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/
[15:01:00] Juski: dsmyth is just a bunch of filters to be able to play .nuv files in Windows
[15:01:00] sona: yes
[15:02:00] sona: The idea is to allow almost any mediaplayer to handle mythtv nuv files including streaming files from the backend and wathching livetv.
[15:02:00] Juski: and there's also some stuff in there to be able to access a share of your recorded files & it'll show you the show info when you hover the mouse over a file
[15:02:00] sona: dont know if it works yet
[15:02:00] Juski: but it won't work for livetv
[15:02:00] sona: ok
[15:03:00] Juski: you could probably build an app quite easily – I mean it's not rocket science
[15:04:00] sona: if it was easy, somebody would have done it already.
[15:04:00] Juski: python would be ideal for that – it's got MYSQL libraries & media handling stuff
[15:05:00] Juski: sona: don't assume that
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[15:14:00] bronco1: hello all
[15:15:00] Juski: hi
[15:16:00] tanq: how do you make the text on the menus bigger?
[15:17:00] tanq: whenever i hook this up to my tv the text is like 12 pt font on a big screen
[15:17:00] Juski: tanq: you mostly have to edit the theme.xml file in the directory of the theme you're using
[15:17:00] tanq: also for some reason when i hook this up to my tv and switch between tv, music, and videos the volume resets
[15:18:00] Juski: unless the theme supports the 'big' and 'small' font sizes which can be changed in appearance settings
[15:18:00] tanq: that last one is weird.
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[15:18:00] tanq: i have no idea why videoout is going to affect that
[15:18:00] tanq: but it does
[15:19:00] znoG: ahhhhhh mythtv rocks
[15:19:00] znoG: badly
[15:21:00] galorin: Anyone in here using the ati remote wonder?
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[15:22:00] Juski: ATI <name> Wonder (why it doesn't work) ?
[15:23:00] Juski: galorin: instead of asking if anyone's using it – ask a question relating to an issue you're having with it, or a question about it
[15:24:00] znoG: anyone using knoppmyth?
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[15:25:00] znoG: to make sure I understood how it works.... the frontend can run completely off the CD but if you want backend you need to install onto the HDD?
[15:25:00] Juski: znoG: that's about the size of it, yeah
[15:25:00] znoG: nice
[15:25:00] znoG: i hope it knoppmyth supplies pcmcia network card drivers :)
[15:25:00] Juski: YMMV though
[15:25:00] znoG: i'm gonna try it out on the lappie
[15:26:00] Juski: no harm in trying it ;)
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[15:44:00] sjaakz0r: anyone know how long making will take on a 800 mhz?
[15:45:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: making what? mythtv and all the plugins? about an hour or so
[15:46:00] sjaakz0r: only mythtv
[15:46:00] sjaakz0r: you compile the plugins afterwards right?
[15:47:00] Juski: hmm maybe about half an hour or so
[15:47:00] Juski: yes, plugins afterwards
[15:47:00] sjaakz0r: and if the make stops after like 10 mins for an error
[15:47:00] sjaakz0r: do you have to start all over then?
[15:47:00] Juski: but make sure you do make install for mythtv first ;)
[15:47:00] sjaakz0r: :p wilco
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[15:48:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: if it stops for an error you have to find out why, then fix it, then start it off again
[15:48:00] sjaakz0r: well I found it out fast enough
[15:48:00] sjaakz0r: but it was like half way I guess
[15:48:00] sjaakz0r: if you say it takes half an hour
[15:48:00] sjaakz0r: so that sucked
[15:48:00] sjaakz0r: ;P
[15:48:00] Juski: missing libraries eh? you'll learn
[15:48:00] poser: I have 2 files that are mpg video files and I wanted to put them onto a video dvd so I can play in a dvd player, the two methods on mythtv.org didn't seem to work
[15:48:00] poser: any ideas?
[15:48:00] Juski: (as I did)
[15:49:00] Juski: poser: if they're proper MPEG2 files you can just use a DVD authoring program
[15:51:00] poser: Juski: so I wouldnt have to encode them but burn them using dvdauthor?
[15:52:00] Juski: if they're actually mpeg2 files from a PVR card (not DVB recordings cos you'll have to demux & remux them) you can put them on DVD
[15:52:00] Juski: AFAIK
[15:53:00] Kabutor: dvdauthor will complain IIRC if they are not mpeg2
[15:54:00] sjaakz0r: yeah Juski I missed libqt3-mt-dev :P
[15:56:00] laga: re
[15:56:00] Juski: wb, mr laga sir
[15:57:00] poser: Juski: yeah I used my pvr 250 to record
[15:59:00] sjaakz0r: why do you have to make the install with superuser?
[16:00:00] Juski: poser: you might have to remultiplex the files – try it without doing that first though
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[16:01:00] Bog_: juski: I found some imon stuff... does that work with MythTV?
[16:01:00] Juski: imon?
[16:01:00] poser: Juski: forgot to mention the video has no audio
[16:01:00] Bog_: juski: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls
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[16:01:00] Bog_: juski: or the whole line up
[16:01:00] Bog_: http://www.pcalchemy.com/index.php/cName/remote-controls
[16:03:00] Bog_: juski: seems like there are drivers.. http://venky.ws/projects/imon/
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[16:03:00] Bog_: LIRC with iMON support is available at the LIRC website beginning with version 0.7.1.
[16:05:00] Juski: sorry just been making a socket fit a hole
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[16:09:00] Bog_: juski: imon also supports poweron with remote control
[16:09:00] laga: so, does anyone know anything about mythtv at the linuxtag? i think jarod wilson was there last year, but i could be wrong
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[16:10:00] sjaakz0r: why do you have to make the install with superuser? <--- for mythtv
[16:10:00] Juski: Bog_: cool – I could do with some of that action
[16:11:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: so the install script has access to all the directories it needs to get to
[16:11:00] Bog_: juski: theres just so much to think about as I build the PC
[16:11:00] Bog_: juski: PVR actually
[16:11:00] Juski: it's DREMEL TIME :-D
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[16:12:00] sjaakz0r: but juski...so just use root?
[16:12:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: su is safer than being logged in as root
[16:13:00] Juski: and besides I think some files have to be owned by a normal user – not sure at all
[16:13:00] Bog_: juski: super silent, stylish (non PC look) and ability to run as a PVR is most important
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[16:13:00] Juski: anyway.. just follow the instructions ;)
[16:13:00] Juski: Bog_: silent & cool is hard to do
[16:14:00] Bog_: juski: I'm leaning towards an EPIA mobo, fanless with DC powersupply, notebook drive
[16:14:00] Juski: well, that'll be great for SDTV
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[16:14:00] Juski: and having only one PCI card
[16:14:00] Bog_: juski: whats sdtv?
[16:14:00] Juski: standard definition tv
[16:14:00] Juski: as in.. not HDTV
[16:14:00] Bog_: juski: I dont use HTTV
[16:14:00] Bog_: HD
[16:15:00] Juski: yet
[16:15:00] Bog_: I think the only dual tuner is the pvr-500
[16:15:00] Juski: well you can use a PVR500
[16:15:00] Bog_: juski: HD takes more CPU?
[16:16:00] Juski: it'll be easier to fit in a small case than a 2 slot PCI riser card that you need to use 2 PCI card in an EPIA
[16:16:00] dasOp: to play, definitely
[16:16:00] Juski: Bog_: oh yeah...
[16:16:00] Juski: only playback though.. recording is dead easy.
[16:16:00] dasOp: like dvb, it'll be an mpeg2 stream so its all about saving the stream
[16:17:00] Bog_: if I could use a full power mobo without fans I'd do it
[16:17:00] Juski: Bog_: I modded my EPIA board to have no fans
[16:17:00] Juski: put a bigger heatsink on it
[16:18:00] Juski: but for 24/7 operation I'd put an 80mm fan above it to be on the safe side
[16:18:00] Bog_: juski: I mean, if I could use a non-EPIA bobo with latest chipset and CPU and no fans I'd do it
[16:18:00] Juski: but 80mm fan is quieter than 40mm moving the same amount of air
[16:18:00] Bog_: juski: yes, I yeard that about larger fans
[16:18:00] Juski: Bog_: for total silence you'd be looking at using heatpipes moving the heat from the CPU directly to the outside of the case
[16:19:00] Bog_: juski: I just heard about heatpipes and have been reading about them
[16:19:00] sjaakz0r: I got a pvr 500
[16:19:00] sjaakz0r: :P
[16:20:00] Bog_: sj: what kind of remote do you use?
[16:20:00] Bog_: sj: and receiver
[16:20:00] sjaakz0r: none yet
[16:20:00] sjaakz0r: bought it yesterday :P
[16:20:00] Bog_: how much was it?
[16:20:00] sjaakz0r: 120 euro
[16:20:00] Bog_: k
[16:21:00] sjaakz0r: that's without remote
[16:21:00] sjaakz0r: or drivers
[16:21:00] sjaakz0r: or fancy box
[16:21:00] Bog_: so it's an external IR receiver?
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[16:22:00] Bog_: what kills me is that Apple can make a tightly integrated Intel based imac all cramed into an LCD without heating problems
[16:22:00] Juski: time to do some soldering ;-)
[16:23:00] Bog_: I want a settop box without the heating problems
[16:23:00] Juski: Bog_: got a lot of money to spend?
[16:23:00] Juski: cos that's what it might cost
[16:24:00] Bog_: juski: I am willing to spend the money
[16:24:00] Bog_: juski: I'm going to buy an intel imac the moment Windows supports EFI
[16:26:00] Juski: EFI?
[16:26:00] Bog_: juski: I may just buy a DVD with HDD
[16:27:00] Juski: yes, but you cant schedule it over the internet
[16:27:00] Juski: and you can't play network shares of videos or mp3s
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: Depends on what you buy
[16:27:00] Bog_: juski: Windows uses BIOS. iMac uses Intel's newer EFI
[16:27:00] Juski: wait a sec... you can do with one or two
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: there are several DVDplayer/network players
[16:27:00] Juski: yeh players but how many record?
[16:28:00] Juski: Dreambox is pretty nifty, especially the ones with IDE interfaces ;)
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: I'm thinking just as a media player, not as a feature for feature frontend/backend replacement :)
[16:28:00] poser: Justki: so if I used a pvr 250 to record video, and have a .mpg format, would I need to mpeg2enc it?
[16:28:00] Bog_: juski: eventually Windows will support booting with EFI
[16:28:00] Bog_: juski: I read that Vista will support EFI
[16:28:00] Juski: poser: probably not – but try it without & see
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: poser: It'
[16:28:00] GreyFoxx: s already an mpeg2 file
[16:28:00] Juski: Vista: pah!
[16:29:00] Bog_: juski: yeah yeah, I know. I also heard they'l include MCE in Vista
[16:29:00] Juski: are the PVR recordings suitable for burning straight to DVD? I read on the shspvr forum about using pvastrumento, or is that just for DVB-T recordings?
[16:29:00] poser: GreyFoxx: when I did dvdauthor. I got a bunch of "WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU..."
[16:29:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: If you have the right resolution yeah, often they can be burned/converted right to a dvd structure without any transcoding
[16:30:00] Bog_: juski: if price wasnt an issue, what would you buy as a PVR?
[16:30:00] GreyFoxx: poser: Not being a dvdauthor user I have no idea about it's error message nor what it expects you to provide
[16:31:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: I thought as much but I wasn't 100% sure
[16:31:00] poser: what should I use to build dvd structure?
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[16:32:00] Juski: I thought DVDauthor did all that – but I've never used it, not being a fan of command line tools
[16:32:00] Juski: in the past ;)
[16:32:00] Bog_: juski: this is interesting... http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-nt01v2.0.htm
[16:33:00] Kabutor: man dvdauthor
[16:33:00] poser: Juski: couldnt get tovid as a rpm and gave up
[16:33:00] poser: didnt want to install
[16:33:00] Kabutor: poser, dvdauthor -o DIR_NAME
[16:34:00] Kabutor: and later iirc dvdauthor mpegname1.mpg -o DIR_NAME
[16:34:00] Juski: dremel time again :)
[16:34:00] poser: Kabutor: yes I know. but it seems video is not compatible
[16:34:00] Bog_: sj: how hot is your pvr500?
[16:35:00] Kabutor: somethimes dvdauthor just warn
[16:35:00] poser: ok
[16:35:00] Kabutor: make all the DVD and before recording use xine to play in in the hard disk
[16:35:00] Kabutor: if not reencode all the video with ffmpeg --target dvd
[16:37:00] poser: Kabutor: the --target dvd being dir_name?
[16:38:00] Kabutor: no
[16:38:00] Kabutor: ffmpeg is for reencode --target dvd means that it is going to convert that to dvd format (mpeg2)
[16:38:00] Kabutor: check the doc :)
[16:38:00] poser: ok
[16:39:00] Kabutor: ffmpeg --target dvd -i FILE_INPUT.mpg FILE_OUTPUT.mpg (iirrc)
[16:40:00] Juski: ahhh.. I've just realised why a couple of recordings I made on Sunday have lots of small errors in them.. was using my imitation Dremel at the time... it's putting spikes on my TV picture!
[16:40:00] sjaakz0r: damn allready 40 minutes to make mythTV
[16:41:00] Bog_: I wish I had a dremel when I had to mod my wireless NIC to fit my PC
[16:41:00] Juski: have to remember to fit a supressor to it
[16:41:00] Juski: fsking cheap Taiwanese crap
[16:41:00] Juski: well – it was less than 1/4 of the price ;)
[16:42:00] poser: Kabutor: I got STAT: VOBU 0 at 0MB, 1 PGCS Segmentation fault
[16:42:00] poser: at end of dvdauthor
[16:43:00] sjaakz0r: anyone here who make'ed mythtv on < 1 ghz
[16:44:00] Kabutor: poser, no idea. try to reencode some small video to dvd and try that...
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[16:49:00] sjaakz0r: how can it take so fucking long to compile
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[16:49:00] sjaakz0r: :P
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[17:01:00] sjaakz0r: what to do after I made install of mythTV
[17:01:00] sjaakz0r: juski any clue?
[17:01:00] laga: configure it?
[17:02:00] sjaakz0r: how ? :P
[17:03:00] laga: read the docs first
[17:03:00] sjaakz0r: :p
[17:03:00] sjaakz0r: well in the docs is startrs about configureing the frontend
[17:04:00] laga: that's not right
[17:04:00] laga: it should start with mythtv-setup
[17:04:00] laga: or the database, actually
[17:05:00] dasOp: they do if you read the docs on mythtv.org
[17:07:00] sosumi: if youre in america, make a zap2it account
[17:07:00] Kabutor: also it dont finish to compile until user read the docs.
[17:08:00] laga: Kabutor: huh?
[17:08:00] laga: dasOp: it starts with 'configuring mythtv'. 'configuring mythfrontend' comes after that
[17:09:00] sjaakz0r: where can I find mc.sql ?
[17:10:00] laga: sjaakz0r: read the docs :)
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: found it
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: wasn't very cleart that you had to do cd database first
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: since they mention all the distro's
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: and so
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: somewhere in between cd databse
[17:10:00] sjaakz0r: :p
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[17:16:00] Tomatix: hello... are someone available to help?
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[17:18:00] sjaakz0r: hmm I get an error running mythtv setup.....error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0: cannont open shared object file: no such file or directory..
[17:18:00] sjaakz0r: anyone got a clue?
[17:19:00] laga: add /usr/local/lib/ to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig
[17:20:00] Tomatix: I get a such error that says "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm"... a complete tail can be found http://pastebin.com/505528 ...
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[17:21:00] dasOp: laga: I was agreeing with you, not sjaakz0r :)
[17:21:00] sjaakz0r: :P
[17:22:00] laga: dasOp: oh, k ;)
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[17:22:00] Tomatix: thanks for no help :-/
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[17:24:00] Juski: what an ass-hat
[17:24:00] laga: how are we supposed to help him with his id-10-t error?
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[17:25:00] Juski: more one for #linux I reckon
[17:25:00] laga: hehe
[17:25:00] Juski: but hey he's got mythtv on his system, so it must be mythtv's fault
[17:25:00] laga: of course
[17:25:00] laga: Juski: my diskless frontend is working now with xvmc.
[17:26:00] Juski: my car broke down, and I've got mythtv at home...
[17:26:00] Juski: laga: muchos cool!
[17:26:00] Juski: just about finished housing these CAT5 video thingies
[17:26:00] laga: Juski: yep. nvidia 7676 fixed everything :)
[17:26:00] Juski: excellent :D
[17:27:00] laga: :)
[17:27:00] Juski: laga: has it got via xvmc on it too? ;)
[17:27:00] laga: Juski: nope, nvidia xvmc ;)
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[17:27:00] Juski: btw I'm gonna need to get my Leaktek MPEG card going in windows so I can grab mythtv being used
[17:28:00] Juski: you know I'm gonna be @ LUGRadio live? think it'll be good to have a rolling demo video :)
[17:28:00] laga: hehe, yep. and a working demo box, of course :)
[17:28:00] Juski: and that
[17:28:00] laga: someone suggested to have a mythtv booth at the german linuxtag.
[17:29:00] Coume: there u go laga ;)
[17:29:00] laga: it takes place druing the week so i think i won't be able to attend
[17:29:00] Juski: was thinking.. sometimes the powers-that-be do random checks at these things to make sure nobody's got copies of any copyrighted material... lots of DJs have been busted for it apparently
[17:29:00] Juski: so I'm gonna stuff the box with free things rather than copies of real material
[17:30:00] laga: systm, for example.
[17:30:00] Juski: yeh
[17:30:00] laga: hehe ;)
[17:30:00] Coume: Yep better be safe juski
[17:30:00] Juski: and get mp3s from erm.. wherever you get free mp3s from
[17:30:00] Coume: hardnrg :) they got free mp3 mixes
[17:30:00] laga: well, in germany, we have to pay a fee if we want to have TVs in pubs etc. maybe there's a similar thing in the UK for linux epoxs ;)
[17:31:00] Juski: Coume: that logo is a beeee-atch to convert to vector.. that fading bit is too hard for me to do
[17:31:00] laga: Juski: www.arje.de has some got some free mp3s. though you might wanna check back with snooze if he lets you use them. i'm sure he'll love the idea
[17:31:00] Juski: cool
[17:31:00] Juski: gonna use a 'free' music bed for the video
[17:32:00] Juski: intend to make the demo as professional looking & sounding as possible ;)
[17:32:00] Coume: Juski: argh... did you manage you increase a bit the slogan size?
[17:32:00] laga: Juski: hehe, sounds cool :)
[17:32:00] Juski: Coume: I was concentrating on the logo too much I think
[17:33:00] EricL: Is there a list of packages that need to be installed in order to build Myth-Plugins?
[17:33:00] Juski: I drove past a vinyl sign place when I was out getting some components the other way.. gonna see how much a mythtv banner would cost
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[17:36:00] sjaakz0r: how can I edit the XMLTV listings grabber in mythtv setup?:
[17:36:00] sjaakz0r: never mind allready works
[17:36:00] Coume: even if I'm in Spain, I'll do my best to come for the LUGRadio
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[17:38:00] kami22: Warning: the following files are missing in your kit:
[17:38:00] kami22: META.yml
[17:38:00] kami22: Please inform the author.
[17:38:00] kami22: bad makefile line: ' $(NOECHO) $(NOOP)' at Makefile.PL line 1031.
[17:38:00] kami22: sorry
[17:38:00] kami22: this is the error i am always get when i am trying to compile xmltv
[17:38:00] kami22: maybe somebody here can help me
[17:38:00] kami22: ?
[17:38:00] laga: what distro?
[17:39:00] kami22: Openslug
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[17:39:00] kami22: embedded system
[17:39:00] laga: well, there's probably no package then ;)
[17:40:00] laga: duh. are you trying to run xmltv on your nslu2? does openslug come with a fully-equipped perl install?
[17:41:00] kami22: i installed all perl modules and perl 5.8.7 is running
[17:42:00] kami22: i think maybe ther is a perl module missing or i dont know???
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[17:55:00] RatherDas: i have a Scientific America Explorer 4200, how can I setup mythtv?
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[17:59:00] sjaakz0r: how can I see if the master backend server is running?
[18:02:00] sjaakz0r: I get a warning in the frontend...that it isn't running
[18:03:00] xpis: Hm.. does mythtv support remotes set up as a keyboard device? (without lirc)
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[18:05:00] xpis: (my controller card doesn't support repeating codes, so the automatic setup chokes when it can't find a button repeat)
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[18:11:00] sjaakz0r: can anyone help me...I'm getting a warning in frontend that it can't connect to backend
[18:12:00] sjaakz0r: how can I see if the backend is running
[18:13:00] stoffel: on the backend machine, type 'ps -ef|grep mythb' as root
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[18:14:00] Coume: did this happens to anyone: When you have the backend running ie: 192.168.0.2 – This you restart the router and reassign its IP to the backend, then the remote is not working anymore...
[18:15:00] Coume: *if (not this)
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[18:24:00] sjaakz0r: how can I keep the backend running all the time....when I use the frontend on the same machine?
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[18:25:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: run mythbackend as a service (daemon), or read the docs
[18:25:00] sjaakz0r: hmm
[18:25:00] sjaakz0r: Juski
[18:25:00] sjaakz0r: when I press watch tv
[18:25:00] sjaakz0r: my screen just stays black
[18:26:00] sjaakz0r: any ideas?
[18:26:00] Juski: lots
[18:26:00] Juski: no time to discuss em though
[18:26:00] laga: hehe
[18:27:00] sjaakz0r: is that funny?
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[18:27:00] laga: yes, actually, it was. i think there's a troubleshooting section in the docs. not sure, though
[18:28:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: tested your tuner outside of mythtv? if no, go away & do that
[18:29:00] sjaakz0r: yes I did
[18:29:00] sjaakz0r: did it with cat /video0 > test.mpg
[18:29:00] Juski: step 1 over & done with then
[18:29:00] sjaakz0r: worked
[18:29:00] Juski: what card is it?
[18:31:00] sjaakz0r: 500
[18:31:00] sjaakz0r: pvr
[18:31:00] Juski: okay...
[18:31:00] Juski: so... is mythtv set to use an mpeg encoding card?
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[18:31:00] sjaakz0r: I did mythtv-setup
[18:31:00] sjaakz0r: and there I said video0 to tuner
[18:31:00] sjaakz0r: if thats what you mean
[18:32:00] sjaakz0r: and added 2 channels to test
[18:32:00] Juski: in 'card type', what did you put?
[18:32:00] Juski: because it defaults to a standard V4L device, which the PVR500 is not
[18:32:00] sjaakz0r: let me check
[18:32:00] sjaakz0r: v4l/dev/video0
[18:33:00] Juski: no.. CARD TYPE
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: yeah
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: it was wrong
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: I see what you mean
[18:33:00] Juski: aha
[18:33:00] Juski: there you go then
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: it should be a mpeg2 encode card right?
[18:33:00] Juski: yep
[18:33:00] Juski: and the other half of the 500 card should be added as another card ;)
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: yes
[18:33:00] sjaakz0r: that was allready done
[18:34:00] sjaakz0r: so the backend should be ran as a daemon right?
[18:34:00] Bob-Laptop: Where does mythfrontend pull it's configuration from?
[18:34:00] Juski: so set that to be an mpeg2 encoding card too, sjaakz0r
[18:35:00] sjaakz0r: yes ...have done that
[18:35:00] sjaakz0r: ah
[18:35:00] sjaakz0r: I have flicker now
[18:35:00] sjaakz0r: :P
[18:36:00] sjaakz0r: if they frequency is 184.00 mhz
[18:36:00] sjaakz0r: what should I enter at frequency Id then?
[18:36:00] sjaakz0r: 184?
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[18:37:00] Juski: hrm.. dunno.. maybe 184, maybe 184000
[18:37:00] FunkyELF: does mythtv know anything about nuvexport? Or do you have to set something like that up as a user job?
[18:38:00] sjaakz0r: hmm it gives me vision which is very blurry in black and white
[18:38:00] sjaakz0r: any ideas?
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[18:42:00] kentaminated: hello
[18:43:00] Bog_: juski: have you heard about iMedia's MythTV linux?
[18:43:00] Juski: Bog_: yeah... no idea what it's like though
[18:44:00] Bog_: juski: ok
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[18:44:00] Led-Hed: morning
[18:44:00] Bog_: juski: I want a specialized distro with EPIA and MythTV support
[18:44:00] sjaakz0r: juski any idea why my television gives black and white?:
[18:45:00] Juski: sjaakz0r: your TV or your tuner?
[18:45:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, you are using SVideo instead of Composite or vice versa
[18:45:00] Bog_: juski: I like that the imedia is designed to be run from compact flash
[18:45:00] sjaakz0r: no my tuner
[18:45:00] Bob-Laptop: sjaakz0r, fine tune the channel
[18:45:00] Juski: a tuning problem then
[18:45:00] Led-Hed: how is your myth conected to the TV?
[18:45:00] sjaakz0r: only gives black and white...am currently watching on compuer screen
[18:45:00] Juski: which is a bitch to do in mythtv
[18:45:00] sjaakz0r: so that's a problem in the drivers
[18:45:00] sjaakz0r: hmm
[18:45:00] Juski: no
[18:45:00] Led-Hed: ahh
[18:45:00] Juski: no driver problem
[18:46:00] sjaakz0r: juski...setting problem with drivers..
[18:46:00] Juski: each channel has a finetune parameter
[18:46:00] kentaminated: I just installed knoppmyth, my database from datadirect is about 5 hours off. I know I saw a spot for an offset in the install. I just cant seem to find it again. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[18:46:00] sjaakz0r: hmm
[18:46:00] sjaakz0r: k
[18:46:00] sjaakz0r: so how do I finetune it then?
[18:46:00] Juski: and you can only edit the finetune parameter in mythtv-setup
[18:46:00] sjaakz0r: or find out the exact frequency?
[18:46:00] Juski: yup
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: anyone here use nuvexport? I'm trying to use it. I just ran it and it was asking me questions like which show and everything. When it got down to it, I saw this....
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: Starting ffmpeg.
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: processed: 0 of 323565 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: ffmpeg finished.
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: processed: 0 of 323565 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps
[18:46:00] FunkyELF: and it just hung right there
[18:46:00] Juski: flood!
[18:47:00] sjaakz0r: ok...soo I can edit it in mythtv-setup but I have no idea which way to go up or down
[18:47:00] FunkyELF: 5 lines is hardly a flood
[18:47:00] sjaakz0r: isn't there an auto search program for linux
[18:47:00] Juski: FAQ says more than 3 lines, use a pastebin
[18:47:00] ** FunkyELF apologizes **
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[18:49:00] sjaakz0r: so juski...there's no way to let it like autotune for the best like a televsion can?
[18:50:00] laga: with SVN, you can do that. not with 0.18
[18:51:00] Coume: I have to install SVN to test this one out :)
[18:51:00] laga: :)
[18:52:00] laga: it doesn't pick up the station names from video text, though. so you have to look up the channel name for a freqid (instead of looking up a freqid for a channel name, like you do with mythfilldatabase --manual)
[18:53:00] Coume: it would not be fun, if everything was automatic :)
[18:54:00] FunkyELF: can someone help me? I'm having a problem running nuvexport
[18:54:00] kentaminated: found it, thanks
[19:00:00] kentaminated: do I have to restart after making changes to mythtv-setup?
[19:01:00] kentaminated: for them to take effect
[19:03:00] |Slurpee|: anyone here good with knoppmyth ?
[19:04:00] Bog_: slurp: do u have a url?
[19:05:00] kentaminated: can anyone hear me?
[19:05:00] Led-Hed: no, but we can see what you type.  ;)
[19:05:00] kentaminated: :)
[19:05:00] |Slurpee|: well im in knoppmyth and can get video/audio on my vga monitor
[19:06:00] |Slurpee|: but i need to configure my remote, im having trouble with zap2it listings getting onto my mythtv, and i need my s-video out working
[19:06:00] kentaminated: do you have the channels setup
[19:06:00] |Slurpee|: i thought i set them up
[19:06:00] kentaminated: that is probably your problem
[19:06:00] |Slurpee|: i filled out the info and clicked get channels
[19:06:00] Led-Hed: |Slurpee|, what video card?
[19:06:00] |Slurpee|: but in my program guide no channels show up
[19:06:00] |Slurpee|: gefirce fx52000
[19:07:00] kentaminated: I struggled with it. but I am using haupage cards
[19:07:00] Led-Hed: |Slurpee|, have you run mythfilldatabase?
[19:07:00] |Slurpee|: i ihave a hapage pvd-150 tv ard
[19:07:00] |Slurpee|: i need the remote working with the pvr-150 if u can help
[19:07:00] |Slurpee|: led, i dont think i ran mythfilldatabase
[19:07:00] |Slurpee|: led, how do i do that
[19:08:00] Led-Hed: you need to, to get program guide info
[19:08:00] |Slurpee|: well i have an account on zap2it
[19:08:00] Led-Hed: from the command line type: mythfilldatabase
[19:08:00] |Slurpee|: i put that info into mythtv and click get data base
[19:08:00] kentaminated: go to /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase
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[19:08:00] Juski: oh shit
[19:08:00] FunkyELF: so I run nuvexport-xvid --transcode and walk my way through the menu....It asks Where would you like to export the files to? so I put /home/eric
[19:09:00] Juski: I've broken the video output of my cable box!
[19:09:00] FunkyELF: ....now when I run ps-eaf | grep trans, I see a transcode command that has -o /dev/null
[19:09:00] FunkyELF: anyone know whats up with that?
[19:09:00] kentaminated: hey has anyone had trouble with the channel guide being 5 hours off.
[19:10:00] Juski: kentaminated: you got the right timezone set?
[19:10:00] Led-Hed: kentaminated, is the time & time zone set correctly on your computer?
[19:10:00] kentaminated: where do I check it
[19:10:00] kentaminated: in setup
[19:10:00] |Slurpee|: kent, do u need to open ports on my router for this box ?
[19:11:00] Led-Hed: kentaminated, you use gnome or KDE?
[19:11:00] kentaminated: knoppmyth
[19:11:00] Led-Hed: if so, right click on the clock
[19:11:00] kentaminated: I think its KDE
[19:11:00] Led-Hed: exit the mythfrontend, and right click on the clock...
[19:11:00] kentaminated: ok
[19:14:00] kentaminated: sorry its gnome
[19:14:00] Led-Hed: same thing
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[19:22:00] kentaminated: I cant find an option for time zone.
[19:22:00] kentaminated: the clock has the right time.
[19:22:00] Led-Hed: and time zone?
[19:22:00] kentaminated: doesnt give me time zone information
[19:23:00] sjaakz0r: I have a small white line running under my television
[19:23:00] sjaakz0r: is that normal
[19:23:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, check out overscan
[19:24:00] sjaakz0r: overscan?
[19:24:00] sjaakz0r: is that in the manual or?
[19:25:00] Led-Hed: kentaminated, right click the clock, and click "Adjust time and date" THere is a Time Zone tab...
[19:26:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, overscan is a function of your videocard. which videocard are you using?
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[19:26:00] sjaakz0r: pvr 500
[19:26:00] kentaminated: I dont have that option
[19:26:00] kormoc: that's the tv card, not the videocard
[19:26:00] |Slurpee|: hmmm i think my time zone is messed up
[19:26:00] sjaakz0r: ah
[19:26:00] sjaakz0r: I have a geforce2 gts
[19:26:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, you are using the PVR-500 for tv-out?
[19:27:00] kentaminated: edit clock fromat and clock 12h
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[19:27:00] kormoc: kentaminated, usually it's a link from /usr/share/zoneinfo/timezone to /etc/localtime
[19:27:00] kentaminated: ok
[19:27:00] kormoc: /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT
[19:27:00] kormoc: for myself
[19:27:00] sjaakz0r: led hed geforce 2 gts
[19:28:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, hummm. Well it may not support OVerscan natively in the driver
[19:28:00] kormoc: sure it does
[19:28:00] kormoc: using the nvidia driver
[19:28:00] Led-Hed: anything GF4 and above support overscan in the driver. GF2's may need a app called nvtune. I think...
[19:28:00] sjaakz0r: i use nv driver
[19:29:00] sjaakz0r: ah
[19:29:00] kormoc: Led-Hed, really? that's odd. any preticular reason for that?
[19:29:00] sjaakz0r: where can i get it?
[19:30:00] Led-Hed: kormoc, I dont have a GF2, but I remember reading it somewhere... sjaakz0r I'll find you a link
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[19:33:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, sorry wrong name. its nv-tv-out. http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/
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[19:34:00] Led-Hed: try the nv driver overscan option first. if that doesnt work then use the nv-tv-out program
[19:35:00] sjaakz0r: Led-Hed should I download the src or bin
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[19:35:00] Led-Hed: first try the overscan option in the nv driver... in xorg.conf
[19:38:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, actually try this. in X bring up a terminal, and typr nvidia-settings
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[19:40:00] sjaakz0r: doesn't work Led-Hed
[19:40:00] ** Coume is a dumbass... server is stucked at GRUB and no screen around to solve the prbl... **
[19:41:00] Led-Hed: are you sure you have the nVidia driver installed? DId you download it from nvidias site??
[19:41:00] Juski: Coume: ouch!
[19:42:00] Coume: Juski, I have no idea on how I could solve that :/
[19:42:00] ** Juski needs an oscilloscope right now to solve this video distortion problem **
[19:43:00] Juski: picture is fine.. then picture loses sync.. regains sync.. then lines are pulling to the left :-/
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: no led-hed
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: I didn't install anything from nividea
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: actually
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: :P
[19:43:00] Coume: erm or may be... find a live CD that asks no question to boot and be able to ssh into it...
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: I thought since x was working that it allready was installed
[19:43:00] sjaakz0r: but I guess that's not the case?
[19:43:00] gratuit: anyone know if there are any plans to include ivtv in the main kernel source?
[19:43:00] Juski: Coume: all the live CDs I've seen need you to press return at lease
[19:43:00] Juski: &least
[19:44:00] Juski: gratuit: yep
[19:44:00] gratuit: any idea on the time frame?
[19:44:00] Juski: gratuit: they're working on it
[19:44:00] Juski: it'll be done _when it's done_ I guess
[19:44:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, then you are running the X nv driver. you need the actual "nvidia" driver. not the "nv" driver
[19:44:00] Coume: Juski, if it's enter that's fine :) I can manage that... I just need something that it not going to ask stupid questions...
[19:44:00] Juski: good work can't be rushed
[19:45:00] sjaakz0r: ah k
[19:45:00] sjaakz0r: led-hed how should I do that then?
[19:45:00] Coume: argh.... His the CD boot configure in the server bios ????? damnit!
[19:45:00] sjaakz0r: just download them?
[19:45:00] sjaakz0r: from their site?
[19:45:00] Coume: IS not his
[19:45:00] gratuit: Juski: indeed, just curious
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[19:46:00] ** Juski wonders if this is Macrovision screwing up my videosender **
[19:46:00] Juski: I _knew_ I should've clamped the syncs
[19:46:00] Led-Hed: sjaakz0r, download the nvidia driver from nvidias site, then follow the README. save the file to /tmp and run /tmp/NVIDIA-Linux-x86–1.0-8178-pkg1.run
[19:47:00] sjaakz0r: hmm
[19:47:00] Juski: put my xbox on the video input of the sender, it's fine.. never wavers.. but the cable box... hrm
[19:47:00] sjaakz0r: is it linux ia32 driver/
[19:47:00] sjaakz0r: or ia64?
[19:47:00] Led-Hed: ia32, unless you are running a 64bit OS
[19:48:00] Led-Hed: actually I think IA64 is for Itanium CPU's
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[19:50:00] SteveDaniels: Hi Guys, this is my first time here so be gentle,
[19:50:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: what you see is what you get. ask away
[19:50:00] ** Krazylegz stabs SteveDaniels **
[19:50:00] SteveDaniels: lol
[19:51:00] SteveDaniels: Well, I've got my MythTV system working fine and dandy
[19:51:00] SteveDaniels: But I have upwards of 300gb of xvid's downloaded, seasons of what not
[19:52:00] Juski: ahem
[19:53:00] SteveDaniels: What's the general concensus, add them manually to the recorded programs, because they are "tv programs" or put them in with videos?
[19:53:00] Juski: videos
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[19:53:00] Juski: cos adding them to the recorded programs DB will be erm.. laborious to say the least
[19:53:00] Juski: even with a script
[19:53:00] SteveDaniels: Do people archive off seasons from programs to video?
[19:53:00] Krazylegz: Nah. Why would you?
[19:53:00] Juski: I sometimes do
[19:53:00] Krazylegz: Oy.
[19:54:00] Krazylegz: You guys like extra work. :-)
[19:54:00] SteveDaniels: So i've got all my seasons in the same place
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[19:54:00] Juski: transcode em to mpeg4,, then pop em into mythvideo – minimyth can;t play transcoded files in the internal player for some reason
[19:54:00] Krazylegz: Ah, that's a reason.
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[19:55:00] SteveDaniels: It'd also save remembering where a season is
[19:55:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: make directories containing seasons, then enable folder views in mythvideo ;)
[19:55:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: Thanks
[19:55:00] FunkyELF: anyone here ever download a TV show and it has the fox logo or whatever blurred out?
[19:55:00] SteveDaniels: Just need to get into the loft tomorrow and terminate a bit of cat 5 and coax
[19:56:00] Juski: ffs people. can you avoid talking about such stuff?
[19:56:00] FunkyELF: ffs?
[19:56:00] Juski: read the FAQ
[19:56:00] Juski: let's keep it clean peeps
[19:56:00] SteveDaniels: Ok Nova-T technical IR question
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[19:57:00] Juski: put it this way.. it's bad PR for mythtv talking about things the FAQ says not to talk about
[19:57:00] Juski: ask away Steve
[19:58:00] SteveDaniels: I've made one of my server's a slave backend/frontend with it's s-video going into an old vcr, out over coax to a small tv in the kitchen. I want to get the IR from the kitchen into the nova-t
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[19:59:00] Juski: SteveDaniels.. could be tricky
[19:59:00] Juski: try extending the cable – use good quality screened stuff though
[19:59:00] SteveDaniels: So I was thinking of using the exisiting IR receiver, cutting the plug off, and elongating it with about 10 metres of cat 5..
[19:59:00] Juski: nah use screened cable
[19:59:00] FunkyELF: Okay then.... forget about where I saw it and let me ask from scratch....
[20:00:00] FunkyELF: is there a way to automatically blur our different sections of a recording?
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[20:00:00] Juski: FunkyELF: no
[20:01:00] Juski: at least not in mythtv
[20:01:00] Juski: you'd need to use virtualdub or something.. 'logoblur'
[20:02:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: what kind of screened cable? Anything cheap availible in the UK?
[20:03:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: think 'high quality screened audio cable' available from Maplin
[20:03:00] Juski: actually 10metres will probably be ok with their 'low-cost screened cable'.. don't use coax though ;)
[20:04:00] SteveDaniels: Are we both talking about the IR here?
[20:04:00] FunkyELF: Juski, is virtualdub just a windows thing?
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[20:04:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: yeah.. Maplin code XR15R might do the trick
[20:05:00] Juski: FunkyELF: as far as I know virtualdub is just for windows
[20:05:00] SteveDaniels: Thanks
[20:05:00] Juski: but there might be linux tools that'll do the same job
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[20:05:00] Juski: Steve – another one might be XR14Q – 29p a metre
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[20:06:00] Juski: if it doesn't work you'll probably have to resort to using a remote control extender device that you put next to the TV – it puts the IR onto the TV coax & takes it off at the other end ;)
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[20:07:00] Coume: OT: anyone tried damned small linux?
[20:07:00] SteveDaniels: thanks Juski, don't happen to know prices of those too do you? ;-)
[20:07:00] laga: Coume: anyone tried meta questions? ;))
[20:08:00] Coume: laga, lol was my question unclear :) lol
[20:08:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: less than £20 or so – you can get those 'videosender' things for £50 a pair
[20:08:00] Juski: no good for video & audio but ok for remotes ;)
[20:08:00] laga: Coume: you get better responses if your questions are specific :)
[20:09:00] Juski: Coume: be weird if nobody had _ever_ tried DSL ;)
[20:09:00] SteveDaniels: I'll let you know how I get on, I'll try the cat5 route first, since I've already got that in place, and I'll try the screened cable next, then failing that i'll try the sender route
[20:10:00] Coume: laga, yeah but before asking a more particular question about it, I was thinking to know if someone did try it... anyway, let me give it a second shot...
[20:10:00] eiggirC: Coume: not personally, but FYI you can download a vmware machine of damn small linux
[20:10:00] eiggirC: Coume: and there's a free vmplayer you can run it on
[20:10:00] Juski: laga: do you know where I could get schematics for the Dbox?
[20:11:00] Coume: does anyone knows if SSH daemon is automatically run when booting DSL (Damn small linux)? I just tried Knoppix, it does boot but not ssh daemon :(
[20:11:00] Juski: ah.. no need.. found :)
[20:11:00] SteveDaniels: Does anyone happen to know the size of the jack for the IR receiver in the Nova-T?
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[20:13:00] Juski: SteveDaniels: probably 2.5mm
[20:13:00] Juski: does it have 1 band on the plug or 2?
[20:13:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: Googles..
[20:13:00] SteveDaniels: Juski: 2
[20:13:00] Juski: so it's a 'stereo' version of the plug
[20:13:00] Juski: that might mean you have to use twin screened cabled
[20:14:00] Juski: *cable
[20:15:00] laga: Juski: no clue, sorry. wiki.tuxbox.org has some basic modding instructions. maybe you can talk to the people in #dbox2 in ircnet.
[20:16:00] onetwo: Hi, I accidentally asked this in the developers channel, but here goes again – I have nova-t and pvr150 nova-t works fine, pvr150 works fine. I can record from both fine. If channel 5 is nova-t dvb channel 5 and 105 is sky satelite channel 5, by default on going into live-tv I am given nova-t channel 5 if I select channel 105 which is only available on the pvr150 satellite feed, it does not show me that channel
[20:17:00] Led-Hed: I just did a yum update on my backend, and now it wont boot...
[20:17:00] laga: onetwo: look in keys.txt, there is a key that lets you change cards.
[20:18:00] kentaminated: thanks guys
[20:19:00] Juski: onetwo: you using an IR zapper – and have you made it work?
[20:19:00] onetwo: ok, I have two pvr150 and one nova-t. My seven year old is used to pressing 603 and gets boomerang. I would prefer he doesn't also have to change by pressing the windows logo (the best key for the job on an mce remote surely)
[20:20:00] laga: i'm running nvidia 7676 on my low-end frontend box with xvmc and mythtv from SVN. opengl vsync is enabled, bobdeint as well. when i watch TV/recordings over a normal monitor, playback is supersmooth and makes me very happy. however, when i use the tv-out, playback is stuttering every few seconds or so. it works if i turn off the bob deinterlacer. any clues?
[20:20:00] Juski: laga: no idea
[20:20:00] laga: Juski: neither have i. and it makes me sad and angry at the same time.
[20:20:00] ** Juski looks for a dbox2 remote control over IP program **
[20:21:00] onetwo: Juski, no I am using a usb box which interfaces with the rf2 on a sky+ and sky box in the uk
[20:21:00] laga: Juski: i was stunned by the playback quality. it was way smoother than my celeron 2.4ghz with sis tv-out.
[20:23:00] Led-Hed: when I rebooted after a yum update, it says my IDE device is busy, how can I trouble shoot this problem? could it be the IDE module/driver? How can I change it if I boot to the previous kernel?
[20:23:00] Juski: ah onetwo: so do you have an external channel change script and does mythtv know about it?
[20:23:00] SteveDaniels: Led-Hed: does it boot using the previous kernel?
[20:24:00] Led-Hed: SteveDaniels, yes
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[20:25:00] onetwo: yes, basics are that if I record a program from 603 (external box) then it changes channel and records ok, if I choose channel 105 then second external box connected to second pvr150 that also changes channel and records correctly, further if I choose channel 5 then that also records (this time from the nova-t as it is the only card with channel 5), it's just live tv channel changing that is an issue for me
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[20:26:00] SteveDaniels: Led-Hed: Have you googled the error, and the kernel?
[20:26:00] Led-Hed: there wasnt a specific error..
[20:26:00] Led-Hed: all I got was IDE pory in use, not probing. or something like that
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[20:27:00] Led-Hed: pory = port
[20:27:00] SteveDaniels: Led-Hed: at what point during boot?
[20:27:00] tuxbeej: This is my first MythTV setup – can I ask for a piece of advice?
[20:27:00] Led-Hed: tuxbeej, shoot
[20:27:00] Wibble-: hi – I'm trying to set up mythtv 18.1, but its segfaulting every time I try to run mythtv-setup – can anyone suggest why, or how I can get more info that might explain it?
[20:27:00] tuxbeej: Crap, phone...
[20:28:00] tuxbeej: OK, back.
[20:28:00] SteveDaniels: Wibble: Did you install with yum, or have you compiled from source? What distro? What architecture?
[20:28:00] Led-Hed: BBL
[20:28:00] onetwo: I was thinking that perhaps I could set one pvr150 as the preferred card for viewing, and perhaps set the nova-t as the preferred card for recording. Is this sensible?
[20:28:00] Wibble-: I installed from aptitude, using ubuntu 5.10 on x86
[20:28:00] tuxbeej: I don't want to do *any* video capture. I just want to watch AVIs and play games in my living room.
[20:28:00] tuxbeej: However...
[20:29:00] tuxbeej: ... the AVIs and games would be stored on my Server, and the living room PC (or Client) would be connected over wireless.
[20:29:00] tuxbeej: Therefore: do I need to have a backend installed on my server? Or should I just use NFS?
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[20:30:00] unkn0wn2u: hey has anyone got mplayer to play nuv files correctly?
[20:30:00] kormoc: unkn0wn2u, with a simple patch, yes
[20:31:00] unkn0wn2u: where is that patch?
[20:31:00] Wibble-: the segfaults occur at seemingly random places – sometimes when I try to start up, and sometimes when I'm exiting from one section
[20:32:00] kormoc: unkn0wn2u, http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/gent . . . mythtv.patch
[20:32:00] unkn0wn2u: thanx
[20:33:00] kormoc: np
[20:34:00] tuxbeej: Hello in here?
[20:34:00] kormoc: tuxbeej, there's nobody home
[20:35:00] tuxbeej: Curses. ^_^
[20:35:00] tuxbeej: Just looking for a piece of advice as I try to get my mythtv set up.
[20:35:00] Wibble-: don't pee into the wind
[20:35:00] tuxbeej: I don't mind hitting the docs for the details, but I want to get the base setup done properly first.
[20:36:00] kormoc: tuxbeej, so what's your questions?
[20:36:00] tuxbeej: Well, I don't want to do any video capture – just watch AVIs and play games.
[20:36:00] onetwo: I thought that if you load up a frontend with no backend listening, then it sits there with an erro saying something like "can't connect to backend"
[20:36:00] tuxbeej: But the AVIs would be on my server and the living room PC would have the frontend on it.
[20:37:00] tuxbeej: Now, where should I put the backend?
[20:37:00] kormoc: onetwo, that's true
[20:37:00] tuxbeej: Does it go on the server, or should I just leave it on the client?
[20:37:00] tuxbeej: If it's on the client, then I need to set up an NFS share on my server, correct?
[20:37:00] kormoc: onetwo, every time you go to do something that communicates with the backend, it gives that error
[20:37:00] kormoc: tuxbeej, you'll need nfs anyway
[20:38:00] kormoc: tuxbeej, mythvideo doesn't stream from the backend, so it needs to be local to the frontend
[20:38:00] tuxbeej: So for this case, I should put the backend on the client, and only connect through NFS to my server?
[20:39:00] kormoc: yup
[20:39:00] tuxbeej: Awesome. Thanks, kormac. You've been a ton of help.
[20:39:00] kormoc: np
[20:39:00] tuxbeej: "kormoc" Sorry.
[20:39:00] snewpy_: where's the right place to ask about ir_kbd_i2c?
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[20:41:00] Wibble-: so no clue about these segfaults I guess?
[20:41:00] onetwo: What decides which tv card is connected to when you select watch tv. I have a pvr150 on 0 a pvr150 on 1 and a nova-t on 2 I always get 2 when I choose watch tv. How can I change this so that this is last choice card?
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[20:47:00] unkn0wn2u: kormoc, how do I apply that patch?
[20:47:00] kormoc: download the mplayer sources
[20:48:00] unkn0wn2u: done
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[20:48:00] simcop2387: how would i get mythtv to recreate the recordedmarkup table? mysql blew up on it at some point
[20:48:00] kormoc: in the mplayer source dir
[20:48:00] kormoc: it should be something like...
[20:48:00] kormoc: patch -p0 < mythtv.patch
[20:49:00] kormoc: the -pnumber might be wrong tho, if it is, try -p1
[20:50:00] unkn0wn2u: ok
[20:53:00] Krazylegz: Highest rated pics on MythTV Talk Forum: Juski.
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[20:56:00] simcop2387: how would i rebuild the recorded markup table?
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[21:10:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, that's scary
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[21:12:00] Krazylegz: Handsome bloke. ;-)
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[21:12:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, what's scarier is laga looks a bit like my brother
[21:12:00] Krazylegz: Laga looks like a lot of geeks.
[21:13:00] Krazylegz: He also looks just like a friend's brother.....though the brother just cut his hair. Works at Victory.
[21:13:00] kormoc: hehe, I gots a picture of my brother with a frozen pancake on his head.
[21:14:00] Krazylegz: In PA.
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[21:15:00] BobJensen: I am seeing an error in my mytvbackend.log, "Channel(/dev/video0)::SetColourAttribute(): failed to set controls, error: No such device" what is causing this?
[21:16:00] Coume: Juski, I sorted the server thxs to the Live Gentoo DVD... It start sshd and have a root password fixed!
[21:17:00] znoG_: is there a way to schedule a recording so that it creates a xvid from the recorded stream?
[21:17:00] Juski: Coume: I was gonna suggest Gentoo, but then I thought of how you had to type 'gentoo' at startup
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[21:19:00] Coume: Juski, the live CD is like knoppix and would have required the blind typing. but the DVD version did the trick just fine!
[21:19:00] Juski: cool!
[21:21:00] laga: Krazylegz: gotta love stereotypes ;). what was that about my cell phone? i can't answer PMs, sorry
[21:22:00] Krazylegz: Haha, just playing around with you in German.
[21:22:00] laga: Krazylegz: dork. ;) we tend to do weird things to the english language.
[21:23:00] BobJensen: ivtvctrl -a shows 4 errors – error getting ctrl Brightness, error getting ctrl Contrast, error getting ctrl Saturation, error getting ctrl Hue
[21:23:00] znoG: hrm, how often should files in my recordings dir be erased? (expired?)
[21:23:00] Krazylegz: I was mostly going to say that people here seem to wear their cell phones...and in German you "carry" your clothes, presumably as you would your cell phone.
[21:24:00] laga: Krazylegz: ummmk.. ;)
[21:25:00] Juski: aha! peak whites are messing with the sync pulses
[21:25:00] laga: night guys, i'm gonna go out, i think.
[21:25:00] Juski: laga: good move :)
[21:26:00] Juski: heheheh.. one of our DVRs is being used on a show on E4 right now :)
[21:27:00] sjaakz0r: omg I can't get this freaking nvidia drivers running on sarge
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[21:34:00] Trimble: hi all
[21:34:00] Trimble: can someone remind me how to forcefully set the clock on linux? my time sync got messed up
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[21:36:00] xvalentinex: Hello, anyone about?
[21:36:00] Juski: Trimble: you can usually set the clock from the desktop
[21:37:00] Juski: or use the date command
[21:37:00] kormoc: Trimble, date 0114HHMM2006.SS
[21:37:00] Trimble: thanks korm :)
[21:38:00] xvalentinex: I'm having an issue with MythDVD. When I go to rip a dvd it hangs on "No jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD."
[21:38:00] FunkyELF: does MythTV support multiple cut-lists?
[21:38:00] Juski: xvalentinex: running mtd?
[21:38:00] FunkyELF: like, if I wanted one to just cut out commercials, and another to just show the performances of an award show?
[21:39:00] xvalentinex: yes
[21:40:00] Juski: FunkyELF: you'd have to add the cutpoints yourself.. but yes I think you can do that.. but it'll still be one cut list
[21:43:00] xvalentinex: Watch DVD works fine
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[21:48:00] FunkyELF: Juski, what do you mean it will be be one cut list? What I was asking was if there can be multiple
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[21:49:00] FunkyELF: So when I play a program, I can load cutlist a or cutlist b. One would play the program with no commercials, one would just play the performances. I know I'd have to edit the cut points myself, but it was just a simple question of whether myth supports that
[21:49:00] Krazylegz: Hmm, that sounds like a neat idea.
[21:49:00] Krazylegz: Play the whole game, or your own highlight reel.
[21:50:00] FunkyELF: Krazylegz, yeah....theres another application
[21:51:00] FunkyELF: Play the whole movie, or just the nude scenes ;-)
[21:52:00] Krazylegz: Heh. That might not work on a lot of FunkyELF's recordings, methinks.....
[21:52:00] nchip: just updated to latest svn.. seems to work fine, for one exception
[21:53:00] nchip: program listing in mythweb does not work (guide in mythfrontend works)
[21:53:00] FunkyELF: Another nice feature would be to be able to record MTV, VH1, or CMT for a period of time. Then create a cut list for each music video. Then you'd want to be able to name the cut lists
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[21:54:00] FunkyELF: ...then transcoding would be a problem since they have the same IDs
[21:54:00] sjaakz0r: can anyone help me...I don't get any listings ( I used holland update)
[21:55:00] sjaakz0r: it got all the channels downloaded...but I don't see anything in the frontend
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[21:55:00] FunkyELF: not sure about the legality of it, I think it would be legal. I just think it would be nice now with the video iPods to be able to record a music video channel and then be able to chop up the recording, save the videos individually and then transfer them to the iPod
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[21:59:00] xris: FunkyELF: plenty legal for personal use... but myth has no way currently to split a recording into multiple subrecordings...
[21:59:00] Wibble-_: I've got a wintv card – is that a "standard V4L capture card" as far as myth is concerned?
[21:59:00] xris: would be kind of a cool addition to the cutlist editor, though
[21:59:00] xris: Wibble-_: depends on what kind
[21:59:00] xris: pvr-150 is a wintv card (or so its name used to be), it's not v4l
[22:00:00] Wibble-_: Bt878 if thats any use
[22:00:00] Wibble-_: its very old
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[22:01:00] Wibble-_: the card doesn't say anything on it :/
[22:01:00] Wibble-_: ok – I'll assume it is standard, then ask my next question in a minute
[22:01:00] JoeyJoeJo: how can I getn mythtvosd --template=cid to display real callerID info? what extra software do I need?
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[22:02:00] JoeyJoeJo: and also, how to I submit a feature request?
[22:02:00] xris: Wibble-_: that's a standard v4l chipset
[22:02:00] xris: JoeyJoeJo: svn.mythtv.org
[22:02:00] JoeyJoeJo: thanks
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[22:10:00] Wibble-_: thanks xris – I think its doing the right thing now...
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[22:18:00] nchip: on mythweb, /tv/list does not show anyting, but /tv/channel/1007 works
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[22:26:00] Juski: fixed my CAT5 video sender yay!
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[22:30:00] FunkyELF: is there anything in the works right now so that while watching 'live tv' you can hit the record button and it'll save from the begining of the show rather that the current spot? It is all saved in the ring buffer anyway right?
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: FunkyELF: that has been in SVN for a while
[22:32:00] FunkyELF: GreyFoxx, you're on Gentoo right?
[22:32:00] GreyFoxx: Nope
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[22:33:00] JoeyJoeJo: any idea when they're gonna make an offical release?
[22:33:00] GreyFoxx: "any day now"
[22:33:00] FunkyELF: how far away is SVN from making a release?
[22:34:00] JoeyJoeJo: when was that said?
[22:34:00] GreyFoxx: every day ?
[22:34:00] JoeyJoeJo: thats what I figured
[22:36:00] FunkyELF: is SVN like CVS?
[22:36:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah
[22:38:00] Juski: Coume: you still around?
[22:38:00] Coume: Juski, yep
[22:38:00] FunkyELF: Anyone here use Gentoo and SVN?
[22:38:00] FunkyELF: ...and how stable is SVN?
[22:39:00] Juski: just wondering.. logged into the forums as usual, and when I click on 'view posts since last visit' sometimes I see posts in the French forum
[22:39:00] JoeyJoeJo: I use gentoo, but not svn.. I'm afraid of breaking my install
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[22:40:00] Juski: FunkyELF: SVN is pretty stable, but it depends which version you check out
[22:40:00] bagpuss_thecat: ffs, no fscking wonder the other half doesn't let this shit into the living room
[22:40:00] Juski: now now
[22:41:00] JoeyJoeJo: do you guys know how to stop those stinking prebuffering pause things?
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[22:51:00] eiggirC: JoeyJoeJo: run mythfrontend as root?
[22:51:00] JoeyJoeJo: are you telling me to run it as root? right now I'm running it as a user
[22:51:00] eiggirC: try it and see
[22:52:00] wswanson: also, make sure /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq is 1024
[22:52:00] wswanson: if it is not, as root, do "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq"
[22:52:00] JoeyJoeJo: ok
[22:53:00] wswanson: and if using svn, try --enable-proc-opt when building
[22:53:00] JoeyJoeJo: that file is 0
[22:53:00] JoeyJoeJo: no, I'm using 18.1
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[22:53:00] wswanson: ok, should be 1024... will improve situation. if you use root, you won't need to set /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq to 1024, but it is still advised
[22:53:00] eiggirC: that needs to be in a howto somewhere
[22:53:00] wswanson: I think it probably is in the howto — or at least it used to be
[22:54:00] wswanson: ya, looks like it is not anymore. but if you use mplayer it will also tell you to do this
[22:54:00] JoeyJoeJo: how can I tell what new features are in the svn version?
[22:55:00] wswanson: there are tons, but I don't think there is a compiled list at the moment. the svn runs more like a tivo and handles livetv much differently (much better).... also the ability to be watching livetv for a half hour on an hour show, then realize you want to record, and actually record from the beginning
[22:56:00] eiggirC: wswanson: interesting feature
[22:56:00] JoeyJoeJo: thats cool.. does a tivo do that?
[22:56:00] wswanson: yes
[22:57:00] wswanson: but there are also problems occasionally with the svn — and so if you decide to use it – you might just end up with a broken build now and then — usually broken means a feature does not work correctly, like sometimes livetv doesn't work, but recording still kick off. that's because of the massive amount of work being done to improve how livetv/recordings work
[22:57:00] eiggirC: so the livetv buffer is kept from when you start watching livetv
[22:57:00] wswanson: and also the inclusion of new hardware and improvement for the various DVB setups, etc....
[22:57:00] wswanson: yes
[22:58:00] JoeyJoeJo: yeah.. I just can't wait for the offical release
[22:58:00] wswanson: and that livetv buffer can be converted to a recording on the fly and you can leave livetv and still get the whole recording.
[22:58:00] eiggirC: what if you start watching a show partway through ? can it save the bit you missed?
[22:58:00] GreyFoxx: no
[22:58:00] GreyFoxx: can't save was wasn't being captured
[22:58:00] eiggirC: -grin- I'm just being a smart arse
[22:58:00] wswanson: if ti was up and playing for 30 minutes and you came in late, yes, otherwise, as greyfoxx points out, no
[22:59:00] JoeyJoeJo: how does mythtvosd work with callerid? do you guys know?
[22:59:00] GreyFoxx: JoeyJoeJo: That's mainly why it was created
[22:59:00] GreyFoxx: I have my asterisk box send incomingcallerid to my main frontend with it
[22:59:00] sjaakz0r: hello, can any of you tell me what to do ...my tv-output is bigger then fits my screen
[22:59:00] JoeyJoeJo: well, what do I need besides a modem in order for it to work?
[22:59:00] sjaakz0r: for some reason
[23:00:00] sjaakz0r: so I don't see my whole menu of frontend
[23:00:00] sjaakz0r: just like 1/4
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[23:01:00] nchip: oh doh. needs a new conf.php
[23:01:00] JoeyJoeJo: can I just stick in a modem and get it working, then expect mythtvosd to work?
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[23:02:00] GreyFoxx: JoeyJoeJo: I've only done it with asterisk, but I know the original writer and many others user a callerid modem
[23:02:00] GreyFoxx: you;d have to look for instructions
[23:03:00] JoeyJoeJo: ok, I'll look around
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[23:11:00] wswanson: ya, same here, i am using asterisk for that on two lines — but not doing anything with a modem.... i don't have modems anymore.  ;)
[23:14:00] JoeyJoeJo: when you use asterisk, what do you use to connect to a phone line? don't you need a modem to hook up to a pots line?
[23:16:00] Beirdo: umm, this is #asterisk now? :)
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[23:39:00] dagfinnr: hello
[23:39:00] dagfinnr: you here Juski
[23:39:00] dagfinnr: ?
[23:40:00] dagfinnr: i need some help regarding the tv-out on the m10k board..anyone else using that via board?
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[23:45:00] fdsd: hey guys, I just recompiled my kernel and used the same .config file, and reinstalled ivtv, now I get no sound when watching tv with my tuner haupp 250 card, but everything I recorded has sound and I cant change the volume or mute it nothing comes on screen.
[23:45:00] fdsd: any ideas?
[23:46:00] eiggirC: sounds like you've got problems with sound
[23:46:00] fdsd: yeah
[23:46:00] eiggirC: run aumix or some other mixer software
[23:46:00] eiggirC: see that you can set volumes
[23:46:00] eiggirC: have you got the speakers plugged in?
[23:46:00] fdsd: like I said, recordings play fine
[23:46:00] fdsd: in mythtv
[23:46:00] eiggirC: oh okay
[23:47:00] eiggirC: thats weird :-\
[23:47:00] fdsd: I have no sound control though
[23:47:00] fdsd: it was just working before I did this kernel upgrade
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[23:48:00] Juski: dagfinnr: make it quick
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[23:51:00] Juski: dagfinnr: if it's regarding X config issues see this page: http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/unichromeTvOut.html
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