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Wednesday, January 4th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] znoG: Guyfromhe: hardware encoding means it receives the analog signal and encodes it before the OS sees it.. how does the decoding go? as in, how does hardware decoding help?
[00:00:00] Guyfromhe: hardware encoding means the video device is just an mpeg stream
[00:00:00] znoG: pretty basic questions, but as you can guess I'm a bit new at this.
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[00:01:00] Guyfromhe: with software decoding cards your system can get the analog raw signal off the bus and has to turn it into mpeg
[00:01:00] znoG: Guyfromhe: video device == the card?
[00:01:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[00:01:00] Guyfromhe: pretty much with the pvr150 it takes the signal from your cable or whatever and outputs an mpeg2 stream to the PC
[00:01:00] znoG: analog raw signal off the bus? wouldn't the signal come in via the card?
[00:02:00] Guyfromhe: via the card onto the system bus
[00:02:00] znoG: right, yep
[00:02:00] Guyfromhe: but it's raw video frames it has
[00:02:00] Guyfromhe: the computer's processor has to then turn them into something usable
[00:02:00] praet: znoG: fyi the mce editions do not contain remotes
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[00:03:00] znoG: signal from cable <-> pvr-150 <-> mpeg2 stream <-> bus <<-- that's hardware encoding, right?
[00:03:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[00:04:00] znoG: i still don't get how hardware decoding works.. does it mean I can play a MPEG file from the computer and the card decodes it and sends it to the TV or whatever?
[00:04:00] Guyfromhe: software would be signal from cable <-> ati tv wonder (fex) <-> raw data <-> bus <-> CPU <-> Mpeg2/mpeg4/whatever stream
[00:04:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[00:04:00] znoG: yep, gotcha
[00:04:00] Guyfromhe: you send a raw mpeg file directly to the card (which has it's own linux device) and it outputs whatever mpeg2 frames it gets to the tv
[00:04:00] Guyfromhe: and it does a really good job of it
[00:04:00] znoG: nice, so having both hardware encoding/decoding would probably be best
[00:04:00] Guyfromhe: some cards input/outputs are trash and they look like crap
[00:05:00] znoG: which means, PVR-350
[00:05:00] Guyfromhe: well my cpu load is usually less than 5%
[00:05:00] Guyfromhe: except when it's flagging commericals
[00:05:00] Guyfromhe: because the machine only has to pass data between the HDD and the PCI bus
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[00:06:00] znoG: speaking of the flagging of commercials, how does mythtv detect a commercial?
[00:06:00] Guyfromhe: it has 3 methods
[00:07:00] Guyfromhe: the old version just used blank frame detection which imho worked extremely well
[00:07:00] kormoc: znoG, it asks, 'Are you a commercial?' and a show goes, 'Nope! I'm your friend!', and a commerical goes, 'YUP! NOW GIVE ME YOUR SOUL!!!!'
[00:07:00] znoG: haha
[00:07:00] znoG: :)
[00:07:00] Guyfromhe: the new version also checks for audio level changes (usually commercials are louder than nromal programs) and logo detection (most stations that have a logo remove the logo when a commerical starts)
[00:07:00] znoG: Guyfromhe: yep, but wouldn't a blank frame in a movie also cause it to falsely detect a commercial?
[00:07:00] znoG: ahhh
[00:07:00] znoG: nice
[00:07:00] Guyfromhe: it sometimes does
[00:07:00] Guyfromhe: but rarely
[00:08:00] Guyfromhe: it's usually got to be a fade to black then a completely different screen
[00:08:00] Guyfromhe: kinda thing
[00:08:00] znoG: yeah
[00:08:00] znoG: interesting
[00:08:00] Guyfromhe: i'm not 100% sure of the nitty gritty behind it but false positives are low and the detection is pretty accurate
[00:08:00] znoG: i'm gonna love playing with mythtv when i get my card :)
[00:08:00] Guyfromhe: you are
[00:08:00] kormoc: and the new screen needs to be 30 or 60 secnds or so
[00:08:00] Guyfromhe: it's fun
[00:09:00] Guyfromhe: just don't worry if it takes a few days if you've never done it before
[00:09:00] znoG: yea i spent way too much on other peoples' presents this year, i think my card will be MY own xmas pressie :)
[00:09:00] Guyfromhe: heh
[00:09:00] znoG: yea but that's cool, as long as I get a good card I'll just play with it until it works
[00:09:00] Guyfromhe: i'm prolly going to get a 150 this weekend
[00:09:00] Guyfromhe: dual tuners is gunna rock
[00:10:00] znoG: dual tuner?
[00:10:00] znoG: so you can get feeds from 2 ?
[00:10:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[00:10:00] Guyfromhe: record two shows at once
[00:10:00] Guyfromhe: or record one and watch something else
[00:10:00] znoG: i'm lucky to have one cable company in here, doubt i could get a 2nd :)
[00:10:00] Guyfromhe: or record two shows and watch a pre-recorded thing
[00:10:00] znoG: actually yeah, 2 feeds off the same cable
[00:10:00] znoG: that would rock
[00:10:00] dasOp: so either two cards or a pvr-500
[00:11:00] Guyfromhe: i've got 2 cable providers but one is cable box based
[00:11:00] Guyfromhe: I already have a 350 so i'd get a 150
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[00:11:00] znoG: do others have 2 cards working in the one box?
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[00:11:00] Guyfromhe: i'm sure they do
[00:11:00] znoG: yea i could easily split the cable in 2 and have 2 feeds in
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[00:11:00] Guyfromhe: it's supported
[00:11:00] dasOp: yeah
[00:11:00] dasOp: my brother has a 150 and a dvb-t card
[00:11:00] Guyfromhe: i don't persoanlly know anyone that has 2 cards working, but come this weekend i probably will
[00:12:00] Guyfromhe: yay mythweb is working
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[00:13:00] znoG: Guyfromhe: will look forward to hearing from u about it
[00:14:00] Guyfromhe: i will look forward to it working :)
[00:14:00] znoG: :)
[00:14:00] znoG: if it doesn't work, you're welcome to sell me your PVR-150 ;)
[00:14:00] znoG: hehe
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[00:15:00] Guyfromhe: i'd probably just take it back to the store
[00:16:00] dasOp: 150 is almost the reference card, together with any saa713x-based card
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[00:20:00] Guyfromhe: cool mythweb is functional now
[00:20:00] Guyfromhe: now I gotta get lirc to start on boot and finish my config and i'll be all happy
[00:22:00] Guyfromhe: woo
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[00:30:00] Arkkis: hey, there's a list of best to worst in ntsc, what's the similar list for pal? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.3
[00:31:00] Arkkis: I mean, would it help my cpu load to tweak that, is it in NTCS mode somehow?
[00:32:00] Arkkis: also, does this effect the frontend, what could be causing high cpu load on the frontend side when watching?
[00:33:00] defiI: Is there a bug in the browsable feature of mythdvd?
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[00:38:00] qupada: can someone tell me how to manually set the theme for myth? it's complaining about not finding one on start so quitting with error, and the relevant section of the docs is kinda empty (http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.2)
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[00:50:00] cosmo_: why on earth does the knoppmyth cd attempt to boot the copy of ubuntu that I have on my hdd?
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[00:50:00] cosmo_: and succeed!
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[00:51:00] [PJ]: Heya iam having some questions about the MythTV Media viewver
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[00:51:00] [PJ]: can i specify subtitles my movies should use while playing a movie?
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[00:55:00] Beirdo: hmmmm
[00:55:00] Beirdo: I need a programmatic way to create a DVD menu (no GIMP, nothing by hand)
[00:57:00] qupada: Beirdo: dvdauthor with the --menu option? don't ask me how it works, it doesn't seem to have any documentation for --menu at all
[00:57:00] Beirdo: heh
[00:57:00] Beirdo: no documentation
[00:57:00] Beirdo: that's lovely
[00:57:00] Beirdo: I'll go look at the source
[00:58:00] qupada: from man dvdauthor: -m Creates a menu.
[00:58:00] qupada: that's it
[00:59:00] Beirdo: those twits
[00:59:00] Beirdo: where's the CVS?
[00:59:00] supa_user: anyone have a better way to configure mythtv? my remote doesn't quite work and the mouse cursor disappears
[00:59:00] Beirdo: keyboard
[00:59:00] qupada: http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/
[00:59:00] Beirdo: it doesn't use the mouse
[01:00:00] Beirdo: qupada, yes, but I don't see CVS there :) I just downloaded the source to look
[01:01:00] Guyfromhe: supa_user: you'd be better off fixing your remote
[01:01:00] Beirdo: use a keyboard
[01:01:00] Beirdo: once you have it setup THEN fix the remote
[01:01:00] Guyfromhe: i've been doing that for the last 2 days or so
[01:01:00] qupada: ah, i see, they aren't using sourceforge cvs
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[01:02:00] Guyfromhe: my remote works though
[01:03:00] qupada: can someone tell me how to set the theme manually, i'm stuck at initial configure because of a "Couldn't find theme 0" error, and the online docs don't say how to do it
[01:03:00] Beirdo: ?
[01:03:00] Beirdo: um, I think you'll need to use mysql if it's that borked
[01:04:00] Beirdo: phpmyadmin will help
[01:04:00] supa_user: my remote is really slow in X, any ideas?
[01:04:00] qupada: mysql is running, have a db, with users and passwords set
[01:04:00] Beirdo: but it shouldn't be doing that, qupada
[01:04:00] qupada: probably just b0rked because i'm running initng and my attempts to start mythbackend aren't going to plan
[01:05:00] Beirdo: initng?
[01:05:00] qupada: initng.thinktux.net
[01:05:00] Beirdo: jeez
[01:05:00] Beirdo: anyways
[01:05:00] Beirdo: have you run the setup yet?
[01:05:00] qupada: i can't, mythsetup quits with that error
[01:06:00] Beirdo: don't start the backend
[01:06:00] Beirdo: not until you do the setup
[01:08:00] Beirdo: might wanna start again, drop the database, recreate it, and run the setup on the backend
[01:08:00] qupada: was just thinking that myself
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[01:12:00] qupada: right, it's behaving now. i guess since it's obviously going to work now, i should get on and choose a decent capture card to replace the POS bt878 i have that almost, but doesn't quite work properly
[01:14:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:14:00] Beirdo: Hauppauge PVR250 or 150
[01:14:00] Beirdo: or 500
[01:14:00] laga: 500
[01:14:00] laga: darn ;)
[01:14:00] Beirdo: best bets :)
[01:14:00] qupada: i was looking at the 500, it's damn cheap OEM for what it is
[01:14:00] qupada: 500 OEM is $6 cheaper than the retail 350
[01:14:00] Guyfromhe: I have a bt card
[01:14:00] Guyfromhe: it sucks
[01:15:00] Beirdo: they get you started though
[01:15:00] supa_user: heh, me too
[01:15:00] supa_user: and a plextor usb pvr thingy
[01:15:00] Guyfromhe: i really wanna try a 2nd tuner
[01:16:00] dasOp: the 500 doesnt have hw decoding does it?
[01:16:00] Beirdo: no
[01:16:00] qupada: is it likely i'll be able to work something out with my audigy's ir remote if i buy the OEM 500 without a remote? i managed to get it working yesterday, if i can use it, saves paying another (NZD)$100 for the retail version tuner
[01:16:00] Beirdo: the 350 does, but it's single encoder
[01:16:00] Guyfromhe: 500 has dual tuners
[01:16:00] supa_user: how do you use the dropdown menus via keyboard?
[01:17:00] Guyfromhe: left and right iirc
[01:17:00] dasOp: left/right
[01:17:00] supa_user: thx
[01:19:00] qupada: here is the awesome tuner i'm using at the moment http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc007201zk.jpg it works sometimes, when it's feeling like it.
[01:22:00] Guyfromhe: heh
[01:22:00] supa_user: holy hell it works!
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[01:26:00] Kamy: hi
[01:26:00] Kamy: ummm.... help
[01:26:00] Kamy: I'm installing xmame following the intructions at mythtv.org
[01:26:00] ** sphing shakes head **
[01:26:00] Kamy: and I get this
[01:27:00] Kamy: src/profiler.h:9:9: warning: #pragma once is obsolete
[01:27:00] Kamy: what does that mean?
[01:27:00] Kamy: oh yea, newb here :)
[01:27:00] laga: it's a warning.
[01:27:00] Kamy: hahaha
[01:27:00] Guyfromhe: does it build?
[01:27:00] Guyfromhe: or whatever it's doing?
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: or does it give an actual error?
[01:28:00] Kamy: I just ran make
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: i've never installed xmame before so I can't say
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: usually warnings don't mean anything in make
[01:28:00] Kamy: next command is make install
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: did it say error at all?
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: if it
[01:28:00] Guyfromhe: just gave a warning ignore it
[01:29:00] Kamy: so I should go ahead and run the install then, it shouldn't kill mythtv as it is functioning okay now
[01:29:00] Guyfromhe: shouldn't
[01:29:00] Guyfromhe: if it didn't give an error that means it built
[01:30:00] Kamy: okay, yea, it didn't give any errors, just the warning, but it gave it over and over while running make
[01:30:00] Guyfromhe: thats ok
[01:30:00] supa_user: hrm, no sound. any ideas?
[01:30:00] Guyfromhe: supa_user: are you sure your soundcard works?
[01:30:00] Kamy: okay cool, thanks much
[01:30:00] supa_user: Guyfromhe: catting something to /dev/dsp makes noises
[01:30:00] Guyfromhe: Kamy: if it breaks your mythtv it's probably unrelated to the warnings
[01:31:00] Guyfromhe: supa_user: hrm weird
[01:31:00] Kamy: okay, thanx Guyfromhe
[01:31:00] Guyfromhe: i'm using the mpeg decoder for sound so i've never ran into that
[01:31:00] supa_user: and /dev/dsp is set in the menu
[01:31:00] Guyfromhe: should work then...
[01:35:00] supa_user: i bet it's not configured right on the backend
[01:36:00] Guyfromhe: i don't think you need to
[01:36:00] Guyfromhe: the backend doesn't output sound
[01:36:00] Guyfromhe: it just sends a video stream to the frontend
[01:36:00] Guyfromhe: the frontend figures out where to send them
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[01:38:00] supa_user: yeah, i did
[01:39:00] supa_user: it has to know where to record the sound from
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[01:39:00] Guyfromhe: weird
[01:39:00] supa_user: it was set to dsp and needed to be dsp1
[01:39:00] Guyfromhe: ahh
[01:39:00] supa_user: works now, but looks like ass
[01:39:00] Guyfromhe: ass you say?
[01:39:00] supa_user: yes
[01:39:00] Guyfromhe: you'll have to elaborate
[01:39:00] supa_user: fuzzy ass
[01:39:00] cosmo_: Ive read that evidently a 450 celeron is good enough to run a mythfrontend diskless, would anyone know if 300mhz is too low?
[01:40:00] supa_user: my 733 celeron is struggling it seems
[01:40:00] supa_user: not enough ram
[01:40:00] cosmo_: how much do you have? Ive got 256
[01:40:00] supa_user: 64, heh
[01:40:00] Guyfromhe: i've got a 550 pIII that can't even decode video
[01:40:00] Guyfromhe: smoothly
[01:41:00] cosmo_: thats bad news for me Guyfromhe
[01:41:00] Guyfromhe: 256 mb ram here as well
[01:41:00] supa_user: this is better than i'd thought it'd be
[01:41:00] supa_user: i figured 64mb ram would eat it
[01:41:00] Guyfromhe: you might be able to use a hardware decoder
[01:41:00] cosmo_: me too
[01:41:00] Guyfromhe: if your cpu won't handle it
[01:41:00] cosmo_: well, I do have a geforce mx 4000
[01:41:00] Guyfromhe: does it do hardware mpeg?
[01:42:00] supa_user: don't think so
[01:42:00] cosmo_: I think thats got a hardware decoder, but would it be useless if I transcoded to mpeg4?
[01:42:00] supa_user: my 733 is at 0.38 playing livetv
[01:42:00] Guyfromhe: it would be
[01:42:00] Guyfromhe: the xcard will do hardware mpeg4 but I dunno if it's supported
[01:42:00] supa_user: how does the video get from the backend to the frontend?
[01:42:00] Guyfromhe: tcp i believe
[01:43:00] GreyFoxx: A 500 would be pushing it, a 300 is doubtful
[01:43:00] supa_user: compressed?
[01:43:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[01:43:00] GreyFoxx: It's stored compressed
[01:43:00] GreyFoxx: streamed from the drive to the frontend who decompressed and displays
[01:43:00] supa_user: ah
[01:43:00] Beirdo: Oooh
[01:43:00] supa_user: there's an ugly line across the bottom of mine
[01:43:00] Guyfromhe: ouch
[01:43:00] Beirdo: http://videotrans.sourceforge.net.
[01:44:00] supa_user: i gotta get that figured out
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[01:44:00] Beirdo: that could be worth trying
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[01:44:00] Beirdo: looks like about exactly what I was looking for
[01:44:00] supa_user: hey, can someone send me their lircmd.conf ?
[01:44:00] supa_user: someone with a working IR remote that is
[01:44:00] Guyfromhe: lircmd.conf?
[01:44:00] cosmo_: stupid abit. None of this would be a problem if I could use my 1.1 ghz machine. Bought a geforce card with svideo out, but it is simply incompatible with that damn 1 ghz mobo. So no im facing using the old 300mhz I have, buying a different video card, or getting a scan converter
[01:44:00] Guyfromhe: where would this file live?
[01:45:00] kormoc: cosmo_, why is it incompatable?
[01:45:00] supa_user: /etc or /etc/lirc/
[01:45:00] supa_user: cosmo_: i've never found a scan converter that's been cheap and looked decent
[01:45:00] Guyfromhe: ls /etc/lircmd.*
[01:45:00] [PJ]: Heya can the MythTV Media Viewer pickup external subtitles? and can you even specify which subtitle to use?
[01:45:00] Guyfromhe: ls: /etc/lircmd.*: No such file or directory
[01:45:00] cosmo_: kormoc, not a clue, simply wont post. The video card works fine in my 2.4g celeron machine. Its a relatively new pci geforce mx4000
[01:46:00] Guyfromhe: thats weird
[01:46:00] cosmo_: supa_user, how cheap? have you tried converters in the 50$ range?
[01:46:00] Guyfromhe: does the other box have onboard video or something?
[01:46:00] kormoc: likely it's cause it's a pci 2.1 device in a pci 2.0 mobo
[01:46:00] ** kormoc has that issue at home... **
[01:46:00] supa_user: cosmo_: $75-$200, none looked good at all
[01:46:00] cosmo_: Guyfromhe, neither have onboard video
[01:46:00] Guyfromhe: hm
[01:46:00] Guyfromhe: odd
[01:46:00] cosmo_: supa_user, crap, guess thats out
[01:47:00] supa_user: no way is the 1.1ghz 2.0 and the 300mhz 2.1
[01:47:00] supa_user: it works in the 300, right?
[01:47:00] cosmo_: yup
[01:47:00] supa_user: tried different slots? most notibly the top and bottom slot?
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[01:47:00] supa_user: or all of them?
[01:47:00] cosmo_: works in the 10 y/o 300mhz, the 2 y/o 2.4ghz, but simply wont post the 5 y/o 1.1ghz
[01:47:00] kormoc: supa_user, I have a duel p3 that is pci 2.0 only, and a duel p2 that is pci 2.1
[01:48:00] cosmo_: supa_user, tried all slots, although on that board one of the slots is completely dead
[01:48:00] cosmo_: supa_user, top slot is dead
[01:48:00] cosmo_: supa_user, whats important about top and bottom?
[01:48:00] supa_user: i'd say that's your problem
[01:48:00] supa_user: i've seen video cards only work in top slots
[01:49:00] cosmo_: supa_user, thats anoying, but you say its a feature of the card or the board? Cause this board supports my other pci video cards in slots 2-3–4....etc
[01:49:00] supa_user: it's just a weird combo thing. more of a bug than a feature
[01:50:00] supa_user: i've found no resolution or explaination
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[01:50:00] cosmo_: supa_user, hmm, you may be on to something, thanks for that insight, it gives me something to scour the abit forms for
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[01:50:00] christi: could someone please recommend me an usb tv tuner that works out of the box on linux? i want just to watch tv so i don't need extra fancy stuff
[01:51:00] unkn0wn2u: When I change channels mythtv doesn't show the entire description of the program , How do I display the entire discription?
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[01:52:00] eiggirC: christi: don't bother. USB TV Tuners are hard to make go rigt on any OS :-\
[01:52:00] supa_user: christi: eiggirC my plestor usb one is working well
[01:52:00] eiggirC: christi: I can't recommend any.
[01:52:00] supa_user: s/plestor/plextor
[01:52:00] eiggirC: oh okay
[01:52:00] eiggirC: go with that the n:)
[01:52:00] christi: supa_user: plextor makes tv cards?
[01:53:00] christi: how about firewire ones?
[01:53:00] supa_user: external tv pvrs
[01:53:00] christi: i need an external tv tuner for a laptop
[01:53:00] supa_user: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm
[01:53:00] supa_user: i think just usb
[01:53:00] christi: thanks
[01:54:00] Beirdo: OMG, I think I found what I wanted :)
[01:54:00] supa_user: it requires hotplug or udev to upload the firmware, but other than that, it's easy as cake
[01:54:00] Beirdo: yeeehaw
[01:54:00] christi: supa_user: and it works with linux?
[01:54:00] christi: supa_user: ok; thanks again
[01:54:00] supa_user: works with myth just fine
[01:54:00] christi: supa_user: what distro are you using?
[01:54:00] supa_user: Arch
[01:55:00] christi: supa_user: and how about the cpu usage? it's ultra high or you can run other programs too? when watching tv, not when recording
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[01:55:00] supa_user: i don't know if you can use it to watch
[01:55:00] supa_user: since it does hardware encoding
[01:56:00] supa_user: other than with mythtv
[01:56:00] supa_user: which always records first anyways
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[01:56:00] supa_user: Guyfromhe: your have an ir remote that uses lirc?
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[01:57:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[01:57:00] Guyfromhe: for the pvr350
[01:57:00] supa_user: does it move the cursor around your desktop when myth isn't running?
[01:57:00] Guyfromhe: no i havn't configured it to control anything but myth
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[01:58:00] supa_user: ok, that's why you have no lircmd.conf file
[01:58:00] supa_user: how about sending me your .lircrc file then?
[01:58:00] supa_user: i'm having a hell of a time
[01:59:00] unkn0wn2u: When I change channels mythtv doesn't show the entire description of the program , How do I display the entire discription?
[02:00:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[02:00:00] Guyfromhe: supa_user: ok sec
[02:00:00] Guyfromhe: unkn0wn2u: what does it show?
[02:01:00] unkn0wn2u: two lines
[02:01:00] unkn0wn2u: two lines of the description
[02:03:00] Guyfromhe: bah I can't dcc without registering -.-
[02:03:00] Guyfromhe: just a sec
[02:03:00] supa_user: just /query it to me
[02:03:00] Guyfromhe: the server blocks it
[02:03:00] supa_user: it's gotta be kinda smallish
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[02:03:00] Guyfromhe: I can'
[02:03:00] Guyfromhe: t privmsg
[02:03:00] supa_user: how about pastebin.com ?
[02:04:00] Guyfromhe: http://myb0x.com/.lircrc
[02:04:00] supa_user: gracias
[02:04:00] Guyfromhe: np
[02:06:00] Guyfromhe: my lirc has always worked well with that config
[02:06:00] Guyfromhe: never had any problems
[02:08:00] unkn0wn2u: it depends on what /etc/lirc/lircd.conf file you have to match it up with
[02:08:00] supa_user: what button do you hit when you pick the "Watch TV" for example?
[02:09:00] Fitzsimmons: nice! I got native HD resolution working :)
[02:09:00] Fitzsimmons: the TV complains "invalid signal, reconfigure PC"... and then procedes to work anyway :P
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[02:10:00] supa_user: Guyfromhe: nevermind, got it, thanks
[02:10:00] Guyfromhe: good
[02:10:00] Guyfromhe: Ihad to change somethign in the DB for a button for live tv i believe
[02:11:00] supa_user: i had it named .mythtv/.lircrc instead of .mythtv/lircrc
[02:11:00] supa_user: mine just wasn't reading, hehe
[02:11:00] Guyfromhe: ahh
[02:11:00] supa_user: but i figured it out by the comment in your file
[02:11:00] Fitzsimmons: hm weird, my desktop is just a little too big though =/
[02:11:00] Guyfromhe: weird
[02:11:00] Guyfromhe: oh are you using DVI?
[02:11:00] Fitzsimmons: it scrolls around a little when I move my cursor to the edges
[02:11:00] Fitzsimmons: me?
[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[02:12:00] Fitzsimmons: no, but I was about to give that a try
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[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: ok
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[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: my boss was trying to use DVI and he fought with it forever to get it to work
[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: I dunno if he ever did
[02:12:00] Fitzsimmons: hm
[02:12:00] Guyfromhe: it gave him a black border
[02:13:00] Fitzsimmons: it seems my desktop wants to be 1280x768
[02:13:00] Fitzsimmons: but the resolution is 1280x720
[02:13:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[02:13:00] Guyfromhe: you could just ignore it being too big
[02:13:00] Fitzsimmons: I'll try finding a 1280x768 modeline
[02:15:00] Guyfromhe: good ol mythtv
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[02:18:00] Nothingman: hey, all
[02:18:00] Nothingman: why is my backend log empty?
[02:18:00] Guyfromhe: maybe your backend isn't up to anything
[02:19:00] Nothingman: hmmm...
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[02:19:00] Nothingman: does everyone have an empty one?
[02:20:00] Nothingman: my comp crashes, so something should show
[02:20:00] Guyfromhe: usually stuff goes in it...
[02:20:00] Guyfromhe: are you having a problem?
[02:20:00] Guyfromhe: when you say crashes what do you mean?
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[02:25:00] AF2: hello all..
[02:26:00] Guyfromhe: howdy
[02:26:00] AF2: can anyone give me a hand.. i think I know my basic configuration....but I can't seem to get mythtv-setup to take my input...which is pain to begin with since my mouse doesn't seem to want to work with this program.... is there a cli interface that'll let me answer the same prompts and this up?
[02:26:00] AF2: hi Guyfromhe
[02:27:00] supa_user: Guyfromhe: ok, say you're in the guide and just want to watch a show. what button on a remote do you hit?
[02:27:00] Guyfromhe: af2: use the keyboard
[02:27:00] Guyfromhe: theres no CLI
[02:27:00] supa_user: AF2: keyboard, they just told me that. use right/left to change the options
[02:27:00] AF2: I tried... there's part of it that aren't accessible...
[02:27:00] supa_user: nope, tab, right/left, enter, and space is all you need
[02:27:00] Guyfromhe: supa_user: I think you have to go out of the guide and tune to the channel the way I have it setup
[02:27:00] AF2: I'm stuck at the point where I'm selecting my input card...
[02:27:00] Guyfromhe: it's an option in myth
[02:28:00] supa_user: AF2: hit right
[02:28:00] AF2: it keeps taking me back to the same screen (add new card) and I keep going in a loop
[02:28:00] Guyfromhe: you can have select tune the channel or bring up the record menu
[02:28:00] Guyfromhe: does it add the card?
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[02:29:00] Guyfromhe: theres some ok and cancel buttons at the bottom, can you see those?
[02:30:00] AF2: no.. it doesn't add the card..
[02:30:00] AF2: okay.. i'm at section 2, right.. capture cards...
[02:31:00] AF2: it won't accept my input oddly enough.. though I know the card is installed properly... i captured some stuff manually from /dev/video0
[02:31:00] AF2: it's a pvr-250
[02:31:00] Guyfromhe: hm
[02:31:00] Guyfromhe: what does it say?
[02:31:00] Guyfromhe: does it give an error?
[02:31:00] AF2: /dev/video0 and i'm selecting tuner.
[02:32:00] AF2: no error.. just back to the default screen... with Capture cards: (New Capture card) and nothing else
[02:33:00] Guyfromhe: you probably selected the cancel option
[02:33:00] Guyfromhe: do you see the buttons at the bottom?
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[02:33:00] Nothingman: Jan 3 07:37:54 localhost exiting on signal 15
[02:33:00] Nothingman: what does that mean?
[02:34:00] AF2: nope.. I chose the Finish..
[02:34:00] Nothingman: why would my comp be giving itself a termination signal?
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[02:34:00] Nothingman: and why would the only thing I see of it be a frozen screensaver and an inability to ssh into the box?
[02:34:00] AF2: Tuner is the coaxel tv input.. right? you're standard cable input...
[02:34:00] Guyfromhe: you choose finish and it doesn't add the card?
[02:34:00] Guyfromhe: yea
[02:34:00] AF2: exactly Guyfromhe
[02:35:00] Guyfromhe: Nothingman: your box prolly locked up
[02:35:00] D-side: so. datadirect is giving me no listings between 10pm and 12am. is this just my setup b0rk or is there something going on that others may know about?
[02:35:00] AF2: i can run this as root.. but I don't think it should make a difference...
[02:35:00] Guyfromhe: AF2: weird, does it say anything when you exit if you read the scrollback?
[02:36:00] Nothingman: Guyfromhe: I get several lines with just: Jan 3 02:01:02 localhost — MARK --
[02:36:00] AF2: yeah.. it does... let me log all the output....
[02:36:00] Nothingman: Guyfromhe: 20 minute intervals
[02:36:00] Guyfromhe: but you can't ssh into it?
[02:37:00] Guyfromhe: and the screensaver is frozen?
[02:37:00] Nothingman: not sure if I can ssh into it during the periods when it says "MARK"
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[02:37:00] Guyfromhe: weird
[02:37:00] daniel_bergamini: indeed
[02:37:00] Guyfromhe: can't say i've seen it before
[02:38:00] Nothingman: might it have something to do with ACPI shutting it down after X minutes?
[02:38:00] Nothingman: looks like 6 hours
[02:39:00] daniel_bergamini: how do I change the theme from the command line?
[02:39:00] Guyfromhe: Nothingman: maybe
[02:40:00] Guyfromhe: daniel_bergamini: you might be able to edit it in the database
[02:40:00] Guyfromhe: I think thats where it stores the settings
[02:40:00] daniel_bergamini: oh crap
[02:40:00] daniel_bergamini: that is not what I wanted to hear
[02:40:00] Guyfromhe: why do you want to do this:
[02:40:00] Guyfromhe: ?
[02:40:00] daniel_bergamini: I changed it to the minimalist-widescreen and now it's not working right
[02:41:00] daniel_bergamini: and I don't think that theme has the settings menu item
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[02:42:00] daniel_bergamini: oh yeah and now when mythtv user logs in it does not auto launch mythtv anymore
[02:42:00] Guyfromhe: just change the theme in the DB
[02:43:00] daniel_bergamini: Guyfromhe guidance please
[02:43:00] Guyfromhe: login as root
[02:43:00] Guyfromhe: run mysql
[02:43:00] Guyfromhe: type use mythconverg
[02:43:00] Guyfromhe: ;
[02:43:00] daniel_bergamini: sounds simple
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[02:45:00] Guyfromhe: then type update settings set data='whatever' where data='Theme';
[02:46:00] Guyfromhe: whatever being the name of a theme
[02:46:00] Guyfromhe: I know blue will work
[02:46:00] Guyfromhe: then you can cahnge it to whatever you want
[02:49:00] daniel_bergamini: lemme see if I can dig into that
[02:49:00] FunkyELF: once a file has been transcoded I can no longer play it in windows. Why is that?
[02:49:00] daniel_bergamini: any guesses how to change the theme from within the minimalist-widescreen?
[02:49:00] FunkyELF: ...the un-transcoded .nuv files are really just mpeg files since I have a pvr-500
[02:49:00] Beirdo: because it's an NUV file, not an MPEG file now
[02:50:00] FunkyELF: Beirdo, but it was supposed to be transcoded into mpeg4 with mp3 audio, why isn't that playable in windows?
[02:51:00] FunkyELF: doesn't mpeg4 mean divx or xvid or something? i can play those in windows
[02:51:00] Beirdo: because it's an NUV
[02:51:00] Beirdo: you need the dsmyth thingy
[02:52:00] sphing: do i need scsi enable in my kernel to use a scsi emulation with usb-mass storage
[02:52:00] Beirdo: probably
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[02:53:00] FunkyELF: Beirdo, where do I get that?
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[02:53:00] Beirdo: google?
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[02:53:00] Kelerion: http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/
[02:53:00] FunkyELF: Beirdo, is it possible to transcode using something else like ffmpeg as a user-job and then have them be playable from MythTV ?
[02:54:00] FunkyELF: ..or will myth only play .nuv files or mpeg files with .nuv extentions ?
[02:54:00] Beirdo: dunno, never tried
[02:54:00] ryan_vdz: hey all, anybody here running Myth on a RH 9 box using atrpms?
[02:54:00] ryan_vdz: I got troubles with lirc
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[03:00:00] sphing: yes beirdo you do
[03:01:00] sphing: (about the scsi)
[03:02:00] Beirdo: ah
[03:03:00] daniel_bergamini: Guyfromhe how do I print a mysql var to make sure I'm formatting it right?
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[03:11:00] Kamy: Can someone tell me how to do this please
[03:11:00] Kamy: Then go into webmin and set up a crontab entry to make it execute at 00 and 30 minutes past the hour, every hour.
[03:12:00] Kamy: I don't know what webmin is, or how to set up a crontab
[03:13:00] Kamy: It's for a perl script to allow my VFD to display the last two recorded programs
[03:14:00] eiggirC: Kamy: look at /etc/crontab
[03:14:00] eiggirC: Kamy: follow the example lines in there
[03:14:00] qupada: webmin is a silly web interface for system configuration that causes more problems than it solves. i'm not 100% sure how to work cron myself, but there should be man pages
[03:14:00] eiggirC: webmin is bollocks – ignore it.
[03:14:00] Kamy: cool, I'll start with /etc/crontab
[03:14:00] qupada: have a look at 'man 5 crontab' also
[03:15:00] eiggirC: Why does mythfrontend and mythtv kill my xserver whenever the recored file is damaged?
[03:15:00] supa_user: anything i can do to make recording live tv better quality?
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[03:16:00] eiggirC: supa_user: align your aerial
[03:17:00] eiggirC: use no splitters or amp
[03:17:00] eiggirC: use good cable with no joiners or anything
[03:17:00] supa_user: using neither
[03:17:00] supa_user: it's all good cable
[03:17:00] sphing: increase the bitrate?
[03:17:00] supa_user: i guess, it says the default should be fine though
[03:17:00] eiggirC: does the aerial have LOS to the transmitter ?
[03:18:00] supa_user: what's aerial?
[03:18:00] eiggirC: does a TV have a good picture?
[03:18:00] supa_user: it's good until it goes through myth
[03:18:00] eiggirC: which tuner card do you have?
[03:18:00] supa_user: it's acceptable, but poorer when when there's no myth
[03:18:00] supa_user: the usb plextor. recording using it's bundled app looks better
[03:19:00] eiggirC: right – so the linux driver is sub standard
[03:19:00] supa_user: no, it's linux app records better than myth
[03:19:00] supa_user: using the same driver
[03:19:00] Chutt: change the bitrate.
[03:19:00] eiggirC: supa_user: weird.
[03:20:00] supa_user: i'll up the bitrate
[03:20:00] supa_user: what format does it record to?
[03:20:00] supa_user: nuv here?
[03:20:00] Chutt: of course.
[03:20:00] supa_user: so it comes in encoded and myth reincodes it to nuv?
[03:20:00] Chutt: uh, no?
[03:21:00] eiggirC: supa_user: do you have a hardware mpeg2 encoder in your plextor thing?
[03:21:00] supa_user: yeah, it's hardware mpeg1/mpeg2/mpeg4
[03:21:00] sphing: lol @ Chutt... we were both like did you even adjust it in your myth setup
[03:21:00] eiggirC: if yes, its a mpeg2 stream, with a .nuv extension
[03:21:00] Chutt: eiggirC, no.
[03:22:00] Kelerion: Chutt: are you married by any chance?
[03:22:00] Chutt: yes, i am.
[03:22:00] Cardoe: omg it's Chutt
[03:22:00] Cardoe: everyone go crazy
[03:22:00] Kelerion: I saw your photo's of your basement.. how'd you convince your wife to let you spend enough cash to do all that? lol
[03:22:00] Cardoe: Chutt: Happy New Year, btw.
[03:23:00] Chutt: it was only a few grand.
[03:23:00] Kelerion: I just blew that on a new TV.. and thats taken 6 months.. took till our old tv blew up!
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[03:24:00] Cardoe: Chutt: your mac mini, is it on os x or linux?
[03:24:00] Chutt: i have a mac mini?
[03:24:00] Chutt: cool!
[03:24:00] Kelerion: lol
[03:24:00] Cardoe: Chutt: I thought you said you did.
[03:24:00] Chutt: not me =)
[03:24:00] Cardoe: a while back
[03:24:00] Cardoe: bastard
[03:24:00] Chutt: nope
[03:24:00] Kelerion: nice job btw.. you do all that plastering yourself?
[03:24:00] Cardoe: I had some questions.
[03:24:00] supa_user: so it does reencode to nuv from the hardware?
[03:24:00] Chutt: supa_user, i said it didn't reencode anything.
[03:24:00] Cardoe: Chutt: so you guys haven't merged in that proc_types patch yet.
[03:24:00] Chutt: pay attention.
[03:24:00] ** Cardoe pokes Chutt **
[03:24:00] Chutt: Cardoe, thought it was
[03:25:00] Chutt: is there a ticket for it?
[03:25:00] Cardoe: actually
[03:25:00] Cardoe: wait
[03:25:00] ** Cardoe is looking at 0-18-fixes **
[03:25:00] Chutt: 19's close enough to not bother with the branch.
[03:25:00] Cardoe: Chutt: gimme SVN access for 0-19-fixes
[03:25:00] Cardoe: :)
[03:25:00] Chutt: jarod's handling things well enough :p
[03:25:00] Chutt: if you want svn access, i need more code
[03:25:00] Cardoe: not saying he's not.
[03:26:00] Chutt: got a smallish barrier to entry :p
[03:26:00] Cardoe: yeah. I've been busy with stuff.
[03:26:00] Cardoe: oh like kicking Havoc in the head.
[03:26:00] eiggirC: has Debian sorted their crap with mythtv packaging yet?
[03:26:00] Cardoe: and writing patches to dbus
[03:26:00] Chutt: debian doesn't have anything to do with packaging myth.
[03:27:00] Cardoe: and now the 7.0 release of X.org
[03:27:00] Guyfromhe: daniel_bergamini: sorry I was getting my old settings
[03:27:00] supa_user: Chutt: where do i set the hardware to encode into mpeg2 instead of mpeg4?
[03:27:00] Guyfromhe: use select * from database;
[03:27:00] eiggirC: chutt: there is a debian package containing mythtv etc. Thats what I'm referring to.
[03:27:00] Chutt: it's not part of debian.
[03:27:00] Cardoe: Chutt: basically when I get my system working enough to run MythTv on it... you'll get patches from me
[03:27:00] eiggirC: Chutt: I know
[03:27:00] Chutt: and marillat is packaging them, anyway.
[03:27:00] Guyfromhe: or like this select * from settings where value='Theme';
[03:28:00] Chutt: supa_user, you don't. the mpeg2 encoder in it is worse than the mpeg4 one.
[03:28:00] eiggirC: Chutt: no – marillat has stopped.
[03:28:00] supa_user: Chutt: bad hardware choice then?
[03:28:00] Chutt: he's stopped since just starting last week?
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[03:29:00] eiggirC: Chutt: no hang on – I'm confused. mdz stopped, not marillat
[03:29:00] Kelerion: Chutt.. how'd you buy that book about mythtv? I couldn't find out how to use the .jp site! you find it anywhere else?
[03:29:00] Chutt: uh
[03:30:00] Chutt: if you can't figure out how to work amazon.jp, why do you want an entire book written in japanese?
[03:30:00] Kelerion: oh
[03:30:00] Kelerion: lol
[03:30:00] Kelerion: doesn't matter then.. :P
[03:30:00] Kelerion: ignore the mailing list post too.. lol
[03:31:00] daniel_bergamini: aha
[03:31:00] daniel_bergamini: thanks Guyfromhe
[03:35:00] Guyfromhe: haha cool
[03:35:00] Guyfromhe: daniel_bergamini: did it work for ya?
[03:36:00] Guyfromhe: sweet
[03:36:00] Guyfromhe: everything is working
[03:36:00] Guyfromhe: lirc start on boot, my control is normal again
[03:36:00] Guyfromhe: gotta mount this drive and pow
[03:37:00] daniel_bergamini: yeah I got it going
[03:37:00] Guyfromhe: w00t
[03:37:00] daniel_bergamini: update settings set data='blue' where value='Theme';
[03:37:00] daniel_bergamini: yeah good day all around
[03:38:00] Guyfromhe: yeah
[03:38:00] Guyfromhe: i'm so happy this is all working
[03:38:00] daniel_bergamini: yeah I know that feeling
[03:38:00] daniel_bergamini: what theme is best?
[03:38:00] Guyfromhe: i like blue myself
[03:39:00] Guyfromhe: with the tilliustv osd
[03:39:00] Guyfromhe: speaking of the OSD I think I changed the xml a bit I gotta get that off the old drive
[03:40:00] daniel_bergamini: with the osd
[03:41:00] daniel_bergamini: lemme check it out
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[03:42:00] daniel_bergamini: actually I'm afraid to change the theme agin
[03:43:00] Guyfromhe: you can always edit the database again if you ened to
[03:43:00] Guyfromhe: need to
[03:43:00] eiggirC: interesting – I have a recording here that works fine unless I pause, in which case it will play for ~5 more seconds with no audio, then cease responding
[03:43:00] Guyfromhe: the OSD is only used when your watching tv anyway
[03:44:00] Guyfromhe: eiggirC: thats bad
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[03:44:00] daniel_bergamini: I don't have a capture card, planning on mostly using as a media player
[03:44:00] eiggirC: Guyfromhe: aye
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[03:45:00] Guyfromhe: ah
[03:45:00] Guyfromhe: i only use it as a pv
[03:45:00] Guyfromhe: r
[03:45:00] haaseg: Hi. I can no longer connect a video source to a composite input
[03:45:00] daniel_bergamini: I was hoping to put one in the house in the city connected to cable and save programs and tranfer them to the place in the country that gets like 3 tv stations
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[03:46:00] daniel_bergamini: records the shows we want to watch, cut the commercials and watch them clean
[03:46:00] daniel_bergamini: got to figure out the backend to backend linking
[03:46:00] daniel_bergamini: thinking if I just play them as video files, the actual database doesn't need to be consistent
[03:47:00] daniel_bergamini: but then again I f'd it up changing the theme
[03:48:00] Guyfromhe: hm
[03:48:00] Guyfromhe: damn it
[03:48:00] Guyfromhe: that hardlocked the box
[03:49:00] daniel_bergamini: what did?
[03:50:00] Guyfromhe: dunni
[03:50:00] Guyfromhe: i was ffing then i rewinded and it locked up
[03:51:00] daniel_bergamini: yay, I love those errors
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[03:52:00] Esuirin: hi
[03:52:00] Esuirin: anyone using ivtv .4.1 and 2.6.15?
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[03:53:00] cesman: 2.6.15 is out!
[03:53:00] cesman: cool!
[03:53:00] ** cesman has work to do.... **
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[03:54:00] redline-: ivtv is a pain in the arse!
[03:55:00] Esuirin: redline-, ?
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[03:55:00] redline-: had 0.4.2 working fine but was getting weird line through pic, tried to upgrade to 0.5.2 and now im getting unresolved symbols
[03:55:00] Guyfromhe: it's not doing it again
[03:55:00] Guyfromhe: thats good
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[03:56:00] redline-: tried to revert back to 0.4.2 and now get static
[03:56:00] Esuirin: there is no .4.2
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[03:56:00] Esuirin: where do you get .4.2?
[03:57:00] redline-: svn
[03:57:00] Alien_Freak: welll.. I've got several errors in the backend......
[03:57:00] Alien_Freak: where do I configure the mysql userid/password for mythtv?
[03:57:00] Alien_Freak: i think my mythtv-setup fails because it can't connect to the db
[03:58:00] redline-: did you run the add mc.sql file?
[03:58:00] Alien_Freak: yeah... was i supposed to set the user id/pass in there?
[03:58:00] redline-: no it should have done it
[03:58:00] redline-: did you restart mysql ?
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[04:00:00] Alien_Freak: yeah...but i can get into mysql using the userid/pass just fine from the mysql cli
[04:00:00] redline-: mysql -u root -p
[04:00:00] redline-: use mythconverg;
[04:00:00] redline-: show tables;
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[04:02:00] Alien_Freak: http://pastebin.com/489689
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[04:04:00] Alien_Freak: http://pastebin.com/489694
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[04:04:00] redline-: remove the database and build it again
[04:04:00] redline-: it seems corrupt
[04:04:00] redline-: should be 72 tables
[04:04:00] redline-: not 17
[04:06:00] Alien_Freak: i dropped the db....
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[04:06:00] Alien_Freak: ran the mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[04:06:00] Alien_Freak: now I have 0 tables
[04:07:00] redline-: sec let me make sure thats correct
[04:08:00] Delemas: redline-, did you update v4l?
[04:09:00] Delemas: ivtv 0.5.x requires you to update v4l as per it's README.1st
[04:09:00] redline-: yea did distclean, updated cvs, make v4l, make install v4l,
[04:09:00] Alien_Freak: mythtv-0.18.1-r2 ivtv-0.4.0-r3
[04:10:00] Delemas: hmm well 0.5.x svn 3096 + my patch is working here...
[04:10:00] Delemas: ymmv
[04:10:00] redline-: iu think i have 3099
[04:10:00] Delemas: http://webcon.ca/~rhardy/patches/ivtv-0.5x-fixes.patch <- I had to use this patch
[04:10:00] redline-: Alien not sure if its < or supposed to be > but i think you are right
[04:11:00] Alien_Freak: < is input and > is output....
[04:11:00] Delemas: It can get quite ugly about loading the firmware (locking up when it fails), but once it does it seems to work.
[04:11:00] Alien_Freak: still not sure why it's not working though...
[04:11:00] redline-: Delemas what error did you get before that patch ?
[04:13:00] redline-: FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.12-gentoo-r10/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:13:00] Delemas: redline-, basically all the picture control settings mythtv and ivtvctl -Y listed where gone. brightness, hue, ... There were 4 of them...
[04:13:00] redline-: Ok, i have a different problem then
[04:13:00] Delemas: oh I have no idea about a 2.6.12 kernel...
[04:14:00] Delemas: This was on 2.6.15...
[04:14:00] redline-: ivtv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog
[04:14:00] Delemas: ya that's an old problem.
[04:14:00] redline-: ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog
[04:14:00] Delemas: It doesn't occur with current kernels/tools as I recall...
[04:15:00] Delemas: I don't recall the details off the top of my head. Probably on the lists....
[04:15:00] redline-: update my kernel?
[04:15:00] redline-: im up for more aggrevation =p i may as well as goto .15
[04:16:00] redline-: this is on a 64 bit system also
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[04:20:00] redline-: ok, what distor should I be going with?
[04:20:00] redline-: distro
[04:20:00] Delemas: Sounds like a plan. FYI they may have made patch redundant...
[04:20:00] Delemas: I'm using CentOS but whatever you want.
[04:20:00] redline-: I currently use Gentoo what is the best distro for mythtv
[04:20:00] rjune: I use fedora and SLES
[04:21:00] Alien_Freak: isn't there a mythtv live cd?
[04:21:00] ** Delemas shrugs. Whatever you like. **
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[04:21:00] Delemas: nap time here though nini
[04:21:00] rjune: Alien_Freak: nope,
[04:21:00] ** Alien_Freak uses gentoo as well.... **
[04:21:00] redline-: knoppmyth is a semi live cd for myth
[04:22:00] Alien_Freak: rjune, knoppmyth is what I was refering to....
[04:22:00] rjune: I figured as much.
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[04:23:00] redline-: i used fedora on my laptop and seemed nice I have a zd8000 fairly new laptop and it picked up and installed everything even gave me expanded reso in X
[04:24:00] redline-: why would i use fedora over ubuntu?
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[04:27:00] piksel: I have no /dev/video. Any ideas? I have a hauppauge 350 card, and am running mandriva 2006. I'm trying to get everything installed. I've installed ivtv, with seemingly no problems.
[04:28:00] redline-: what about /dev/video0?
[04:29:00] redline-: or /dev/v4l/video0
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[04:30:00] piksel: redline-: nope, I don't have /dev/vid* of any sort
[04:30:00] Alien_Freak: got it
[04:30:00] Alien_Freak: it's an issue with mysql 5
[04:30:00] cosmo_: how does compusa get off selling me an 189 gig hard drive labelled as 200 gigs......arent they rounding a bit too much these days on system specs?
[04:30:00] ** Alien_Freak pets the gentoo forums....good girl... **
[04:32:00] Alien_Freak: cosmo_, might be just formatting......
[04:32:00] Alien_Freak: you lose quiet a bit of space that way....it's not unusual....
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[04:36:00] piksel: cosmo_: part of it is due to marketers thinking 1 GB = 1000 MB instead of 1024, but even so, its probably mostly due to formatting
[04:38:00] Netslayer: well i upgraded to transcode 1.02, ffmpeg 3277056, and xvid yet mythdvd ripping still fails
[04:38:00] Netslayer: I hit 0 to start the job and I get "Your connection to the Myth Transcoding Daemon has gone away. This is not a good thing"
[04:38:00] Alien_Freak: that too piksel ....especially if they start counting at bytes....
[04:39:00] Alien_Freak: ie 1 k = 1000 bytes, 1m = 1000k, 1g = 1000m.....they keep losing the 24 and that adds up
[04:39:00] ** Alien_Freak twiddles his finger watching mysql 4 emerge **
[04:42:00] sphing: takes forever
[04:42:00] Alien_Freak: this is annoying... i just got 5 up...and was using it productively for once...
[04:45:00] redline-: do i doit?!?
[04:45:00] redline-: FC4 over a working gentoo box?
[04:45:00] mishehu: hmm.
[04:45:00] redline-: with lvm2 installed
[04:45:00] mishehu: anybody dare to run mythtv on a mini-itx?
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[04:46:00] cesman: no dare needed, it runs fine
[04:46:00] Alien_Freak: hell no....
[04:47:00] redline-: try this heh
[04:47:00] redline-: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/ . . . e/nntx1.html
[04:47:00] Alien_Freak: you sicko....stay away from FC4...or FC in general
[04:47:00] redline-: nano itx
[04:47:00] Alien_Freak: *shivers*
[04:47:00] cesman: chisai desu ne
[04:50:00] mishehu: cesman: what type do you have?
[04:52:00] cesman: 1.2 GHz model
[04:52:00] mishehu: redline-: that's a pretty small board
[04:52:00] redline-: Alien why say stay away?
[04:52:00] mishehu: cesman: does that one have the mpeg2 and mpeg4 "accelerator" ?
[04:52:00] redline-: that would make a really nice frontend box
[04:52:00] cesman: only 2
[04:52:00] cesman: because he has to compile Gentoo ;)
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[04:52:00] mishehu: cesman: you running yours as only as a frontend or a backend too?
[04:53:00] cesman: I primarily use it to test KnoppMyth
[04:53:00] Esuirin: anyone using ivtv .4.1?
[04:53:00] Esuirin: err kernel 2.6.15 w/ivtv?
[04:53:00] cesman: make sure I don't break Epia compatibility between releases
[04:53:00] mishehu: Esuirin: I'm using 0.4.1 with 2.6.14.5...
[04:53:00] cesman: when I got it, I have it as both front and backend
[04:53:00] Esuirin: mishehu, big difference between 2.6.14.5 and 2.6.15 with ivtv
[04:54:00] redline-: what kind of difference?
[04:54:00] Esuirin: you'll see:)
[04:54:00] redline-: please tell i dont need any more suprises =p
[04:54:00] mishehu: cesman: do you have any horror stories about getting linux to work on it properly? from what I understand the EPIA chips are x86 compatible, but the other features on the board (i.e. mpeg2 "accelerator") are a bit more proprietary and difficult to enable.
[04:54:00] Esuirin: you have to use kernel modules for tuner tveeprom, etc
[04:55:00] mishehu: Esuirin: why so? what did they change?
[04:55:00] cesman: works fine for me
[04:55:00] redline-: any difference in sound and video quality ?
[04:55:00] Esuirin: cesman, are you using 2.6.15?
[04:55:00] cesman: not yet
[04:55:00] Esuirin: mishehu, they are merging it into the kernel
[04:56:00] redline-: ivtv is merging into .15?
[04:56:00] Esuirin: into the kernel period
[04:56:00] Esuirin: w/.15 you have to use kernel modules for tuner, eeprom, etc
[04:56:00] mishehu: cesman: hmm... I wonder why mchou thought it was problematic. I've been having problems with my fe/be that runs on a constantly-overheating athlon xp. the gf would be happy if I got an even smaller machine in the living room. would you recommend an epia mini itx for stability, size, and quietness?
[04:56:00] Esuirin: not ivtv's
[04:56:00] redline-: so i d/l .15 do make xconfig and find the ivtv driver?
[04:57:00] Esuirin: redline-, ivtv driver is not in there
[04:57:00] Esuirin: but ivtv driver will no longer compile certain modules for you that it needs
[04:57:00] Esuirin: you have to get them from the kernel
[04:57:00] cesman: mishehu: yes
[04:57:00] mishehu: Esuirin: sounds whacked. wonder why they are only taking half of ivtv and sticking it in.
[04:57:00] redline-: yea it happened in .4.2 and .5 series
[04:58:00] Esuirin: and i can't compile .5.2
[04:58:00] Esuirin: where exactly do you get the .fw files?
[04:58:00] mishehu: cesman: hmmm maybe I'll get one then. I was initially thinking of getting a pentium-m based mini itx, but they're pretty damn expensive. I think the most expensive epia I saw was about $200, and I think that included the processor on the board.
[04:58:00] redline-: from the hauppauge website
[04:58:00] Esuirin: ohhh!
[04:58:00] Esuirin: not at ivtv site
[04:58:00] Esuirin: i need them for pvr-150mce
[04:59:00] Alien_Freak: pvr-250....or-350 are real nice
[04:59:00] Alien_Freak: *drool...*
[04:59:00] Esuirin: redline-,
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[05:00:00] Guyfromhe: is there a guide to what the icons mean?
[05:00:00] Guyfromhe: the ones in the recorded shows screen
[05:00:00] cesman: 1
[05:01:00] Guyfromhe: like the trash bin = autoexipre and the $ with the line though it means commercial flagged
[05:01:00] cesman: 1
[05:01:00] Alien_Freak: k....i'm off to sleep...mysql is too slow to compile....
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[05:01:00] Guyfromhe: aha found it
[05:02:00] Guyfromhe: oh thats what you meant by 1
[05:02:00] cesman: :)
[05:03:00] Esuirin: redline-, where on hauppage site?
[05:03:00] Esuirin: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_pvr150.html
[05:03:00] Esuirin: not there
[05:06:00] redline-: mce_cd_2.9.zip
[05:06:00] redline-: or something like that
[05:06:00] Esuirin: where is that?
[05:06:00] redline-: unzip it goto driver dir
[05:07:00] redline-: sec
[05:07:00] redline-: http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/pvr15 . . . _2_23258.zip
[05:07:00] redline-: thats for the 150
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[05:10:00] Esuirin: thx
[05:10:00] Esuirin: and it's in there?
[05:10:00] redline-: and just move the HcwF* and HcwM* to /lib/firmware the link them as per the instuctions
[05:10:00] Esuirin: k
[05:10:00] |Slurpee|: i have a pvr-150 !!!
[05:10:00] Esuirin: hooray!
[05:10:00] |Slurpee|: is that the linux driver ?
[05:10:00] redline-: no thats the firmware
[05:11:00] |Slurpee|: well i have to do that too ?
[05:11:00] |Slurpee|: i dont even kno how to setup my pvr-150 :(
[05:11:00] redline-: yes depending on waht ivtv driver you use
[05:12:00] Esuirin: bbl
[05:12:00] |Slurpee|: im runnin debian
[05:12:00] |Slurpee|: and i suck
[05:12:00] |Slurpee|: canu help ?
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[05:13:00] redline-: I cant help myself so I wouldnt want to corrupt you heh
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[05:31:00] Guyfromhe: w00yt
[05:31:00] Guyfromhe: new drive is mouted, installed and running
[05:31:00] Guyfromhe: and I sharpied my mythbox
[05:32:00] alpha255: why do yo sharpie it?
[05:32:00] alpha255: you
[05:32:00] Guyfromhe: cause it was too plain looking
[05:32:00] Guyfromhe: so I wrote mythtv on it
[05:32:00] alpha255: aahhh
[05:32:00] alpha255: k
[05:32:00] alpha255: what type of case?
[05:32:00] alpha255: beige?
[05:33:00] Guyfromhe: it's an old dell...yeah beige
[05:33:00] Guyfromhe: http://guyfromhe.com/pics/myth1.jpg
[05:33:00] Guyfromhe: that sticker fell off
[05:33:00] Guyfromhe: so I sharpied it
[05:34:00] cesman: you watch totally spies?!
[05:34:00] cesman: :)
[05:35:00] Guyfromhe: i watched a couple eps of it
[05:35:00] Guyfromhe: then i stopped watching it then i stopped recording it
[05:35:00] Guyfromhe: it's kinda funny though
[05:35:00] Guyfromhe: actually most of the stuff I recorded there I don't record anymore
[05:35:00] Guyfromhe: that was when I first got myth
[05:35:00] cesman: sure ;)
[05:36:00] Guyfromhe: I was recording everything that looked decent because I never really got to watch tv before myth
[05:36:00] cesman: Clover is hot isn't she! ;)
[05:36:00] qupada: why haven't you kicked the vcr out of the tv cabinet to make room for the mythtv box? surely it's the more useful of the two :P
[05:36:00] alpha255: Guyfromhe, like the handspring?
[05:36:00] Guyfromhe: she is but there are far hotter things
[05:36:00] Guyfromhe: :P
[05:36:00] Guyfromhe: not really
[05:37:00] Guyfromhe: I was using it as an external LCD display for a bit
[05:37:00] Guyfromhe: but then i realized it was stupid and hard to read
[05:37:00] Guyfromhe: and I couldn't keep it properly charged
[05:37:00] alpha255: use it for ir stuff
[05:37:00] alpha255: :)
[05:37:00] Guyfromhe: like what?
[05:37:00] alpha255: mythtv controller?
[05:37:00] Guyfromhe: like a remote?
[05:37:00] alpha255: yep
[05:38:00] Guyfromhe: the mythbox won't really fit in there, plus I use the VCR occasionally
[05:38:00] alpha255: i have the visor
[05:38:00] Guyfromhe: very rarely
[05:38:00] alpha255: prism
[05:38:00] Guyfromhe: mines just a delux
[05:38:00] Guyfromhe: I have a treo and a casiopia though
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[05:38:00] alpha255: nice
[05:39:00] Guyfromhe: anyway the range isn't that great, it's hard to see in the dark and I don't like LCD remotes that muc
[05:39:00] Guyfromhe: h
[05:40:00] Guyfromhe: plus I have this really really nice ofa 88/8910
[05:40:00] Guyfromhe: i love my ofa
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[05:41:00] Guyfromhe: anyway my mythtv box has it's own spot in that rolling wire thingy
[05:41:00] Guyfromhe: and the IR reciever is taped to the middle of the cablient for ease of use
[05:41:00] Guyfromhe: well velcro'd
[05:42:00] alpha255: how fast is taht dell box?
[05:43:00] Guyfromhe: p3 500
[05:43:00] Guyfromhe: it's a pos
[05:43:00] Guyfromhe: 256 ram
[05:43:00] alpha255: does it do mythtv well enough?
[05:43:00] Guyfromhe: it's got a pvr 350 :P
[05:43:00] Guyfromhe: so yes
[05:44:00] alpha255: the 250 is pretty good too right?
[05:44:00] Guyfromhe: um...probably
[05:46:00] Guyfromhe: yeah
[05:46:00] Guyfromhe: it's got the same encoder
[05:46:00] Guyfromhe: just doesn't have the decoder as far as i can tell
[05:46:00] Guyfromhe: mine does everything on the card
[05:46:00] Guyfromhe: so I could be running it on a 486 and it wouldn't mater
[05:47:00] alpha255: i c
[05:48:00] Guyfromhe: well it would
[05:48:00] Guyfromhe: it's gotta be able to run the x manager and the mythfrontend
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: and the database stuff
[05:49:00] alpha255: true
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: but a piii 500 is plenty for just that
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: it won't decode OR encode video in software however
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: it's choppy as hell
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: thats why I had to drop the money on this card
[05:49:00] Guyfromhe: though I had no tv out on the box anyway so this was the best way to go
[05:50:00] Guyfromhe: and it was cheaper to buy this card than to build a machine just for myth
[05:50:00] Guyfromhe: cause thats all the box does
[05:50:00] Guyfromhe: and I got the box for free from work
[05:50:00] qupada: plus i'm guessing with only a p3–500 you don't need a lot of cooling = not much noise
[05:50:00] Guyfromhe: yeah
[05:51:00] Guyfromhe: just stuck a 300 gig drive in it
[05:51:00] alpha255: cool
[05:51:00] Guyfromhe: it was like $120
[05:51:00] Guyfromhe: welll $140
[05:52:00] Beirdo: there goes the "not much cooling"
[05:52:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:52:00] Guyfromhe: the 160 didn't need any extra cooling
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[05:52:00] Guyfromhe: it didn't run hot or anything
[05:53:00] alpha255: 7200 rpm drives
[05:53:00] Guyfromhe: i've got a big slow 12" fan I can stick in there if I need to
[05:53:00] Guyfromhe: it's quiet
[05:54:00] Beirdo: 12"
[05:54:00] Beirdo: ?
[05:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[05:54:00] Beirdo: that fits in the case?
[05:54:00] qupada: twelve inch fan? you mean 12cm? or are you really putting in a fan a foot across?
[05:54:00] Guyfromhe: oops
[05:54:00] alpha255: 120
[05:54:00] Guyfromhe: yeah 12 cm -.-
[05:55:00] Beirdo: big mofo of a case if a 12" fits in there
[05:55:00] qupada: although a 1' fan could be quite silent. would require a large hole in the case though :\
[05:55:00] Guyfromhe: heh
[05:56:00] Guyfromhe: i cut a hole in my other case to accomodate a 12cm fan
[05:56:00] Guyfromhe: i could probably manage to make a 1ft hole in the top of this one
[05:56:00] Guyfromhe: wouldn't be much case left
[05:58:00] Guyfromhe: anyway my clean install of fc4 with latest myth was a success
[05:58:00] Guyfromhe: yay
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[06:00:00] Ediehow: hi
[06:01:00] Ediehow: redline-: you there?
[06:01:00] Guyfromhe: howdy
[06:04:00] Ediehow: hi
[06:04:00] Guyfromhe: sup
[06:05:00] Ediehow: you use ivtv?
[06:05:00] Guyfromhe: yes
[06:05:00] Guyfromhe: every day
[06:06:00] Guyfromhe: in fact i'm using it right now
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[06:06:00] titanium_platypu: hey, is this the correct process to make a DVD?:
[06:06:00] titanium_platypu: 1) take the NUV recording and "nuvexport" it to DVD format
[06:06:00] titanium_platypu: 2) use "dvdauthor -o directory filename.mpg" to make a DVD file structure
[06:07:00] titanium_platypu: 3) burn the created files in the directory to a DVD
[06:07:00] titanium_platypu: is that right?
[06:08:00] Ediehow: what kern version?
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[06:11:00] titanium_platypu: 2.6.12-10–386
[06:11:00] Ediehow: i mean Guyfromhe
[06:11:00] titanium_platypu: oh....I was wondering what that could possibly have to do with it
[06:11:00] titanium_platypu: :-P
[06:11:00] Guyfromhe: Linux nyamo 2.6.14–1.1653_FC4 #1 Tue Dec 13 21:32:09 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[06:12:00] Guyfromhe: http://guyfromhe.com/pics/newmyth.jpg
[06:22:00] Ediehow: ok so here's the problem
[06:22:00] Ediehow: i am using 4.1
[06:22:00] Ediehow: and 2.6.15
[06:22:00] Ediehow: but the tuner doesn't seem to work
[06:22:00] Guyfromhe: pvr xxx?
[06:24:00] Ediehow: pvr 150
[06:24:00] Ediehow: everything changes with .4.1 and 2.6.15
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[06:28:00] Guyfromhe: hm weird
[06:28:00] Guyfromhe: i know I had tuner issues on a really old linux
[06:28:00] Guyfromhe: and really old ivtv
[06:28:00] Guyfromhe: but this latest install just worked no problem
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[06:30:00] kcody: hi... is there a way for a 2nd frontend to join an existing live tv session with only 1 tuner?
[06:34:00] Guyfromhe: that would be kind of cool
[06:34:00] kcody: don't expect them to stay in sync – not without some sort of latency sync negotiation – but still...
[06:34:00] kormoc: kcody, that is not possable in 0.18.x right now
[06:35:00] kcody: unless i were to begin recording on the 1st frontend
[06:35:00] kcody: then watch the recording in progress on the other
[06:35:00] kormoc: correct
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[06:35:00] Guyfromhe: bah
[06:35:00] kcody: anyway, anyone wants to know, the radeon 9600 pro (r300 driver) is doing just fine with Xv output
[06:36:00] kcody: and the closed source driver sucks balls (echo echo echo)
[06:36:00] Ediehow: kormoc: are you usinv ivtv?
[06:37:00] kormoc: yes, I am
[06:37:00] Ediehow: .4.1?
[06:37:00] kormoc: nope
[06:37:00] Ediehow: nm
[06:37:00] kormoc: .4.0
[06:37:00] kormoc: .4.1 is broken on my box
[06:37:00] kcody: but for the record, using the all-in-wonder radeon for output only was an easier experience. stick with r200 and older hardware.
[06:37:00] Ediehow: kormoc: did you try it with 2.6.15?
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[06:37:00] kormoc: yes, and it doesn't work properly
[06:37:00] Ediehow: work, or compile?
[06:38:00] kormoc: work, it compiles fine
[06:38:00] Ediehow: what kernel are you using?
[06:38:00] kormoc: vanilla
[06:38:00] Ediehow: yeah, can you tell me which version?
[06:38:00] kormoc: 2.6.14 right now
[06:38:00] Ediehow: k
[06:38:00] kormoc: 2.6.15 gave me too many problems
[06:38:00] Ediehow: well
[06:38:00] Ediehow: i got sound working with .4.1
[06:39:00] Ediehow: but the video is screwy and i cannot change the channel
[06:39:00] Ediehow: do i need to do something in modprobe.conf?
[06:39:00] Ediehow: for tuner or what not?
[06:39:00] kormoc: Only if it's needed for your card
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[06:39:00] Ediehow: how do i determine that?
[06:40:00] kormoc: if it autodetects incorrectly
[06:40:00] Goose-Npa: is there an easy way to burn nuv's to dvd, then have it erase it from the database?
[06:40:00] Goose-Npa: is mythburn supposed to do that
[06:40:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/489822
[06:40:00] Ediehow: what is mythburn?
[06:40:00] Ediehow: kormoc: what do you think from that paste?
[06:40:00] titanium_platypu: I figured out my problem, but not how to solve it
[06:41:00] titanium_platypu: when I run "dvdauthor" it does not create the file "VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO"
[06:41:00] titanium_platypu: what do I do about this?
[06:41:00] kormoc: Ediehow, nothing looks bad there
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[06:49:00] kcody: ok, offtopic if someone has the patience... former bitchx user in irssi, i want two windows with a different channel in each and a handy bound key to flip between them
[06:51:00] Goose-Npa: anyone her use mythburn?
[06:51:00] Ediehow: never heard of it
[06:51:00] Ediehow: http://mythburn.sourceforge.net/
[06:51:00] Ediehow: neat
[06:52:00] Ediehow: where is the download?
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[06:52:00] Goose-Npa: i dunno
[06:52:00] Ediehow: you can't even download it
[06:53:00] Ediehow: http://mythburn.sourceforge.net/
[06:53:00] kormoc: Ediehow, sure you can
[06:53:00] Ediehow: that's useless
[06:53:00] Goose-Npa: how is it useless
[06:54:00] Ediehow: because there's no download link there
[06:54:00] Goose-Npa: oh you mean the link us useless
[06:54:00] Ediehow: well
[06:54:00] Ediehow: that page
[06:54:00] Ediehow: i think the thing looks cool
[06:54:00] Ediehow: i just can't download it
[06:57:00] Goose-Npa: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythburn/
[06:57:00] Goose-Npa: there ya go chump
[06:57:00] Ediehow: does the new interface work?
[06:57:00] Ediehow: err
[06:57:00] Ediehow: is it in there?
[06:58:00] kormoc: no, the download link doesn't download
[06:58:00] kormoc: it's a trap!
[06:58:00] Ediehow: not talking about that
[06:58:00] Ediehow: the interface on the page just referenced
[06:58:00] Ediehow: it says "coming soon"
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[06:59:00] Goose-Npa: http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/m . . . t2005.tar.gz
[07:00:00] Ediehow: yeah
[07:00:00] Ediehow: running install
[07:00:00] Ediehow: but where do you get projectx?
[07:00:00] Goose-Npa: do you need it?
[07:01:00] Goose-Npa: where do you see a need for projectx at
[07:01:00] Ediehow: when i run sh install.sh
[07:01:00] Ediehow: How to start projectx; this can either be a shell script
[07:01:00] Ediehow: like /usr/bin/projectx (which is provided by some distributions like gentoo)
[07:01:00] Ediehow: or (if you've compiled projectx yourself) something like
[07:01:00] Ediehow: warning: no checking on this entry, so please make sure you get it right :-)
[07:01:00] Ediehow: []:
[07:01:00] Ediehow: path/to/java -jar /path/to/projectx/ProjectX.jar
[07:02:00] Ediehow: http://www.lucike.info/index.htm?http://www.l . . . projectx.htm
[07:03:00] Goose-Npa: is it working?
[07:03:00] Ediehow: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php? . . . ge_id=124556
[07:04:00] Ediehow: uhh, where is the .jar file?
[07:05:00] kormoc: google knows
[07:05:00] Ediehow: i doubt it
[07:05:00] Ediehow: if it's not on the files for the project
[07:05:00] Ediehow: ah i see
[07:05:00] Ediehow: sh build.sh makes a .jar
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[07:10:00] Goose-Npa: so you got it working cool
[07:10:00] Ediehow: not quite yet
[07:10:00] Ediehow: java -jar /share/java/ProjectX.jar
[07:10:00] Ediehow: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/sourceforge/dvb/projectx/common/Start
[07:14:00] Ediehow: yeah, that's definitely a problem
[07:14:00] Goose-Npa: so how have you normally been archiving to dvd?
[07:15:00] Ediehow: me?
[07:15:00] Ediehow: nuvexport
[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: yes
[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: oh i could never get that to run
[07:15:00] Ediehow: try the new one
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[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: 1. Export to XviD (disabled)
[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: 2. Export to SVCD (disabled)
[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: everything is disabled
[07:15:00] Goose-Npa: where can i get the new one, and when was it released?
[07:16:00] Ediehow: recently
[07:16:00] Ediehow: xris knows all about it
[07:16:00] Ediehow: he made it
[07:16:00] Goose-Npa: yea
[07:16:00] Ediehow: and he's in here
[07:16:00] Goose-Npa: linky
[07:16:00] Goose-Npa: nevermind
[07:17:00] Goose-Npa: do you convert to another format?
[07:17:00] Ediehow: http://forum.dvbtechnics.info/
[07:17:00] Ediehow: that's great
[07:17:00] Ediehow: i can't read that
[07:18:00] Ediehow: you know
[07:18:00] Ediehow: i'd like to find out about that projectx java error
[07:18:00] Ediehow: but i can't read german
[07:19:00] Goose-Npa: how do i install nuvexport
[07:19:00] Ediehow: go to nuvexport page
[07:19:00] Ediehow: http://forevermore.net/mythtv/
[07:20:00] Ediehow: xris: your photo album page is having big problems
[07:20:00] Ediehow: Notice: Undefined variable: file in /var/www/forevermore.net-wedding/html/photos/images.php on line 186
[07:20:00] Goose-Npa: yea the documentation just shows how to use --debug Ediehow
[07:20:00] xris: Ediehow: huh?
[07:20:00] xris: which one?
[07:21:00] Ediehow: click on photos
[07:21:00] Ediehow: then
[07:21:00] Ediehow: friends and fam photos
[07:21:00] Ediehow: mucho errors
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[07:22:00] Ediehow: i always assumed you were german or something
[07:22:00] Ediehow: certainly western european
[07:22:00] xris: what photos?
[07:23:00] xris: I have a "photography" link
[07:23:00] Ediehow: you don't gert that error?
[07:23:00] xris: or do you mean my wedding photos?
[07:23:00] Ediehow: aren't you chris?
[07:23:00] Ediehow: yes
[07:23:00] Goose-Npa: sigh
[07:23:00] Goose-Npa: wish there was an easy way
[07:23:00] Ediehow: for what?
[07:23:00] Ediehow: Goose-Npa: can you read german?
[07:23:00] Goose-Npa: no
[07:23:00] Ediehow: i can post on this site if you can read german
[07:23:00] Goose-Npa: getting my mpeg2 shows to dvd
[07:23:00] xris: Ediehow: you're talking about the wedding photos... I see it now.
[07:23:00] Ediehow: nuvexport
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: nuvexport isn't easy'
[07:24:00] xris: looks like something in php5 broke my old gallery script
[07:24:00] Ediehow: well
[07:24:00] xris: Goose-Npa: huh? sure it is.
[07:24:00] Ediehow: you do vidx
[07:24:00] Ediehow: or dvd
[07:24:00] Ediehow: and it makes a file that you use
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[07:24:00] Ediehow: an .mpg file
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: divx or xvid owuld be fine
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: yea
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: xris: its not nuvexport i guess
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: i just cant get ffmpeg installed right
[07:24:00] Ediehow: you may be missing some required libraries
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: never have been able to
[07:24:00] Ediehow: rpm
[07:24:00] Goose-Npa: im in slackware
[07:25:00] xris: Goose-Npa: --transcode
[07:25:00] Goose-Npa: im using a .tgz which is suppsoed to automatically install it
[07:25:00] xris: though ffmpeg is faster for dvd exports
[07:25:00] Ediehow: xris: have you used projectx?
[07:25:00] xris: Goose-Npa: but the binary package won't have the right compile options because they're not gpl-friendlyu
[07:25:00] Goose-Npa: well let me try instlaling transcode
[07:26:00] xris: Ediehow: nope
[07:26:00] xris: Goose-Npa: transcode will likely have the same issues. the problem is with mpeg encoding. mpeg is not gpl compatible
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[07:27:00] Goose-Npa: soo what would i have to do?
[07:27:00] Ediehow: xris: do you use ivtv?
[07:28:00] Goose-Npa: xris: is there a way around it. cause pvr-250 records to mpeg2
[07:28:00] Ediehow: maybe you don't need projectx
[07:28:00] Ediehow: although it looked cool
[07:28:00] Ediehow: Latest versions of the scripts also need projectx for demuxing and commerical cutting, see http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=32208#32208 for instructions on installing projectx.
[07:28:00] Ediehow: nevermind
[07:29:00] xris: Goose-Npa: yes. compile yourself
[07:33:00] Goose-Npa: ha
[07:33:00] Goose-Npa: when i try to install transcode it says
[07:33:00] Goose-Npa: requirement failed: cannot compile ffmpeg/avcodec.h
[07:33:00] Goose-Npa: ffmpeg/avcodec.h can be found in the following packages:
[07:33:00] Goose-Npa: FFMpeg http://www.ffmpeg.org/
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[07:45:00] Ediehow: ok, got project X working
[07:47:00] Goose-Npa: so lame
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[07:56:00] Goose-Npa: anyone around?
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[08:10:00] t00m: hi
[08:10:00] t00m: does anyone know which episode of surface they showed yesterday in .au?
[08:10:00] t00m: or how to find that out?
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[08:16:00] t00m: ok, i guess it was 6th
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[08:17:00] Ediehow: waiiiiiiit
[08:17:00] Ediehow: what is this
[08:17:00] Ediehow: "use hw xvmc vld decoding(via only)"
[08:17:00] Ediehow: "enables the use of viaxvmc hw mpeg decoding for via unichrome chipset"
[08:17:00] Ediehow: that's new
[08:17:00] Chutt: new?
[08:17:00] Ediehow: at least, a new option for me
[08:18:00] Chutt: as of a few years ago, maybe.
[08:18:00] Ediehow: Chutt: it's the first time it showed up in myth for me
[08:18:00] Ediehow: this may be an ignorant question but
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[08:18:00] Ediehow: is that referring to a via video card, as i have a via motherboard
[08:18:00] Ediehow: w/via chipset
[08:18:00] Chutt: google.
[08:18:00] Ediehow: Chutt: yeah, it's pretty hard to say , "yes" or "no"
[08:18:00] Ediehow: don't you want you to overexert yourself
[08:19:00] Chutt: yeah, waste other people's time finding information that you can easily find yourself.
[08:19:00] Chutt: good job!
[08:19:00] Ediehow: Chutt: it's wasting other people's time to say "yes" or "no"?
[08:19:00] Ediehow: i didn't ask you to research it
[08:19:00] Ediehow: i asked you if you knew, with a yes, or no
[08:20:00] Ediehow: ah ha
[08:20:00] Ediehow: i see a problem with new ivtv driver
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[08:29:00] Ediehow: hi Gumby
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[08:47:00] Ediehow: hi
[08:47:00] Ediehow: anyone using ivtv 4.1?
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[08:50:00] qupada: Ediehow: you mean 0.4.1?
[08:50:00] Ediehow: yessi
[08:50:00] Ediehow: r
[08:51:00] qupada: i'm just installing it, i have an amd64 system with a strange config, wanted to make sure it would compile before i spend arseloads of money on a hauppauge tuner card
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[08:51:00] Ediehow: just get a pvr 150mce
[08:51:00] qupada: unfortunately i'm stuck with dialup, so a half-meg download takes a while
[08:53:00] qupada: i would buy a 150, but i'm after dual tuners, and only have one pci slot, so has to be the 500 (the cost difference between 2 150's and a 500 is pretty much nil anyway)
[08:55:00] qupada: 0.4.1 builds fine. maybe in a few days i'll be able to tell you if it runs
[08:55:00] Ediehow: well
[08:55:00] Ediehow: i built it
[08:55:00] Ediehow: but i am having some problems
[08:56:00] qupada: well i'll help as much as i can without having the card. what arch and distro>
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[08:56:00] Ediehow: 5.x has these v4l2 things it needs
[08:57:00] Ediehow: it needs the latest v4l
[08:57:00] qupada: yeah, i noticed that, i couldn't compile it except against kernel 2.6.15, but that kernel is a bit b0rked on my system, quite a few things don't run properly
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[09:24:00] billytwowilly: lol. That wasn't quite what I had in mind when I read the softcam faq question;)
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[09:24:00] Ediehow: ivtv-tune -c 45
[09:24:00] Ediehow: i can change my channels that way
[09:24:00] Ediehow: but not in mythtv, the channels don't change
[09:27:00] Gumby: Ediehow: do you have the right tuner selected in mythtv-setup ?
[09:27:00] Gumby: ...right tuner type....
[09:27:00] Ediehow: i know it changed
[09:27:00] Ediehow: with new ivtv
[09:30:00] Ediehow: man
[09:30:00] Ediehow: it still won't change it
[09:30:00] Ediehow: :)
[09:30:00] Ediehow: :(
[09:31:00] Ediehow: Gumby: i know new ivtv says
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[09:32:00] Ediehow: - the v4l2 inputs have changed. This means that you may have to
[09:32:00] Ediehow: update your MythTV setup!
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[09:35:00] Ediehow: Gumby: ?
[09:37:00] Ediehow: well
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[09:58:00] Juski: make
[09:59:00] Ediehow: i told it to use external tuning device
[09:59:00] Ediehow: and it works
[10:02:00] Juski: hahaha.. just read this forum post about a guy who used a splitter to feed two satellite receivers.. and he wondered why it doesn't work.. lol
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[10:40:00] Nichotin: does mythtv work with mysql 5?
[10:46:00] Arkkis: hey, there's a list of best to worst in ntsc, what's the similar list for pal? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.3
[10:46:00] Arkkis: I mean, would it help my cpu load to tweak that, is it in NTCS mode somehow?
[10:46:00] Arkkis: also, does this effect the frontend, what could be causing high cpu load on the frontend side when watching?
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[11:04:00] levon: Nichotin, yes, it does.
[11:07:00] Nichotin: ok.. I have some problems when trying to start mythbackend
[11:07:00] Nichotin: I could paste some output
[11:08:00] Nichotin: I havent found any answers on the net
[11:09:00] Nichotin: first, it says this:
[11:09:00] Nichotin: 2006-01–04 11:09:10.569 DB Error (Performing database upgrade):
[11:09:00] Nichotin: Query was: CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `jumppoints` ( `destination` varchar(128) NOT NULL default '', `description` varchar(255) default NULL, `keylist` varchar(32) default NULL, `hostname` varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', PRIMARY KEY (`destination`,`hostname`));
[11:10:00] Nichotin: http://pastebin.com/489990
[11:10:00] Nichotin: that is the whole output
[11:12:00] Nichotin: this is a pretty recent cvs build, actually
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[11:18:00] Nichotin: levon: got a clue on that?
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[11:36:00] ddttmm: hi all. mythtv doesn't require gnome or x11, does it?
[11:37:00] Juski: it doesn't require gnome, but definitely needs an x server (for mythfrontend and mythtv-setup)
[11:37:00] qupada: i'm pretty sure it requires X
[11:37:00] ddttmm: X is ok
[11:37:00] ddttmm: i'm clearing out gnome and kde
[11:37:00] ddttmm: doesn't need ghostscript?
[11:38:00] qupada: can'
[11:38:00] Juski: ddttmm: some plugins need kde libraries though
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[11:39:00] qupada: can't* imagine why
[11:39:00] ddttmm: ok i'm hoping 492MB is enough for building the kernel and mythtv
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[11:39:00] stuarta: needs qt3 which is the basis of kde
[11:39:00] ddttmm: i can do nfs though.
[11:39:00] Nichotin: http://pastebin.com/489990
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[11:39:00] Nichotin: anyoene know the problem here?
[11:39:00] Nichotin: using mysql 5
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[11:40:00] Juski: I thought mythtv wouldn't work with mysql5
[11:40:00] ddttmm: Nichotin: if i had to guess offhand, i'd say that it's by using mysql 5 :) lots of apps dont work with that.
[11:40:00] qupada: ddttmm: my qt install is about 30MB
[11:40:00] ddttmm: btw guys when i'm asking about the deps i'm talking about the backend
[11:41:00] Nichotin: I was pretty sure it would support it
[11:41:00] Juski: ddttmm: you really only need X on the backend for mythtv-setup
[11:41:00] ddttmm: k
[11:41:00] Nichotin: but hey, what the heck, I could always downgrade
[11:43:00] Juski: folks, any clues as to what might be missing for me to get this error? http://pastebin.com/490017
[11:44:00] Juski: I'm thinking transcode-dev, but I can't find a package for that
[11:45:00] stuarta: juski: looks like a partial build. When did you last make distclean?
[11:45:00] Juski: ahhh
[11:47:00] Juski: I'll try again then
[11:47:00] Juski: yeah that was it.. I updated from SVN... and forgot to make distclean.. cheers, stuarta
[11:48:00] stuarta: :-)
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[12:05:00] Juski: fuck. ubuntubox has just switched itself off
[12:06:00] Merlin83b3: Silly box.
[12:06:00] Juski: bit rough when I'm trying to compile though
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[12:06:00] Merlin83b3: :<
[12:09:00] Juski: have a feeling it's the PSU, do I pulled a couple of unused PCI cards out
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[12:25:00] Anyone: help me get lirc working, please .. now the card is working.
[12:25:00] Anyone: the card can show tv, that is.
[12:25:00] Anyone: #lirc is dead or similar.
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[12:57:00] Anyone: help me get lirc working, please .. now the card is working. Also I wonder about teletext .. how to view it.
[12:58:00] Anyone: I tried telegnome and aletv .. but no avail
[12:58:00] Anyone: !ping
[13:03:00] laga: pong
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[13:09:00] sphing: touche laga
[13:10:00] laga: hehe ;) morning sphing
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[13:17:00] sphing: hi
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[13:25:00] Kapsel: Which TV card to buy for mythtv? I just want an average picture, and just normal cable-tv (not digital).. Unless I can get a DVB-C card with CAM etc., that will work with mythtv (so I can watch all channels).
[13:40:00] Anyone: Kapsel, aren't you dansk?
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[13:42:00] laga: Kapsel: probably an pvr 150 or 500. you could check www.linuxtv.org for dvb cards as well
[13:43:00] Kapsel: Anyone: jup
[13:44:00] Kapsel: laga: ok, thanks. However, DVB-C with CAM seems to be hell, at least in Windows.
[13:44:00] Anyone: Kapsel, I have købt a hauppage card .. but I cannot get fjernbetjeningen working. Do you happen to have erfaring with configuring lirc?
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[13:47:00] wole: ARGH!
[13:47:00] ** wole wishes everyone a happy new year **
[13:47:00] Anyone: U2
[13:48:00] wole: achtung baby?
[13:48:00] wole: ;)
[13:48:00] Anyone: wole, are you achtung baby?
[13:48:00] wole: Anyone: no, but it's an album by U2
[13:49:00] Anyone: ahh
[13:49:00] Anyone: IC
[13:49:00] Anyone: :-)
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[13:49:00] Anyone: Kapsel, then again, who uses ms-windows? :-)
[13:50:00] wole: OK, Being the clever person that i am, i have deleted all of my /tv folder (i did mean to) and now i need to clear the database out. Which tables do i need to clear?
[13:51:00] Anyone: whats /tv
[13:51:00] Anyone: ?!
[13:51:00] stuarta: wole: recorded*
[13:51:00] wole: anyone: the folder with all the nuv files in it
[13:51:00] Anyone: nuv?
[13:52:00] Anyone: I havn't even been able to install myth yet.
[13:53:00] wole: stuarta: what about the 'dont re-record old programs' bit – i guess that's old*
[13:54:00] stuarta: wole: depends how clean you want your database. I think recorded keeps that info.
[13:54:00] Anyone: stuarta, do you know remote control with reciever attached to a computer?
[13:54:00] stuarta: anyone: nope
[13:55:00] Anyone: stuarta, what about hauppage?
[13:55:00] wole: Anyone: the hauppauge remote will work
[13:55:00] Anyone: I have this remote: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg
[13:55:00] wole: yeah, that'll work fine
[13:55:00] Anyone: wole, but how?
[13:55:00] stuarta: anyone: worry about getting myth going first.
[13:56:00] Anyone: stuarta, yeah .. where to get? backports.org ?
[13:56:00] stuarta: www.mythtv.org ???
[13:56:00] Anyone: I assume mythtv is better than xawtv?
[13:56:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone: Better depends on what you want it to do
[13:56:00] GreyFoxx: They are different and service different functions and hardware types
[13:57:00] wole: anyone: check out the install instructions at wilsonet.com
[13:57:00] GreyFoxx: xawtv is just a basic tv viewer for bttv/framegrabbers
[13:57:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, I have a hauppage card, probably a newer one.
[13:57:00] GreyFoxx: myth is much more
[13:57:00] Anyone: xawtv doesn't really work for me
[13:57:00] Anyone: I have to use tvtime
[13:57:00] GreyFoxx: xawtv does not work with any of the pvr or hardware mpeg compression cards
[13:58:00] Anyone: stuarta, thanks for the link!
[13:59:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, it did work with live cd .. except I couldn't switch channel.
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: wtf is "live cd" ?
[14:00:00] Anyone: knoppix 3.9, acutally, GreyFoxx
[14:00:00] danieldk: knoppmyth maby?
[14:00:00] stuarta: greyfoxx: runs off a cd, rather than installing it.
[14:00:00] Anyone: danieldk, what is that?
[14:01:00] danieldk: http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[14:01:00] GreyFoxx: stuarta: I know what a LiveCD is, I was more looking for him to clarify exactly what he meant. There are tons of different cdbootable distros :)
[14:02:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, knoppix 3.9 :-)
[14:02:00] GreyFoxx: Just looking over the xawtv 4.x FAQ, looks like they have added mpeg2 decoding and dvb support. No mention of ivtv/PVR cards, but it's promising
[14:02:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, uses old 2.6.11 kernel, screwed up for knoppix.
[14:02:00] laga: GreyFoxx: did they finally release xawtv 4.x?
[14:02:00] GreyFoxx: laga: Nope, just snapshots
[14:02:00] laga: GreyFoxx: k, thanks
[14:03:00] Anyone: tvtime looks more promising anyhow .. but I guess myth is even better?
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: but doesn't stop distros from putting it out :)
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone: Again, it depends on what better means to you
[14:03:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, I didn't find screenshots?
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: Myth does a lot more than either xawtv or tvtime
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: But if those features are not important then tvtime might be what you want
[14:04:00] Anyone: I C
[14:04:00] Anyone: Which features are Myth famous for?
[14:04:00] GreyFoxx: If you want a simple tvviewer then myth might be more than you need, if you want a tv recording pvr solution then myth is much better suited
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[14:05:00] laga: so. anyone running nuvexport? probably with mythtv from SVN? what versions of transcode/ffmpeg/mencoder are you using?
[14:05:00] Anyone: nope
[14:05:00] Anyone: I havn't used them yet.
[14:06:00] GreyFoxx: I stopped using *nix for my transcoding a while back. The tools are just too slow
[14:06:00] wole: laga: i have managed to get mkmovie to work
[14:07:00] laga: wole: i want my nuvexport :)
[14:07:00] danieldk: GreyFoxx: slow?
[14:07:00] laga: GreyFoxx: and i stopped using *dows a while back becuase i just don't like it :). but i think with the proper options, you can make transcode fly as well
[14:08:00] wole: only thing is, now i need to get the custom commands to understand %filename% – which means upgrading to the nightly build :9
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: laga: I gave up after spending a couple days looking at speeding it up.
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: 7–15 fps with transcode or ffmpeg, 30–45fps in a windows vmware session on the exact same box
[14:09:00] laga: GreyFoxx: :) i tried compiling things with -O3 -zomgsofast but it didn't give me much speed advantage. but i'd love to stick with nuvexport since i like the interface. it just won't work, though, with the stuff that comes with debian sarge
[14:09:00] laga: in a vmware session? wow.
[14:10:00] laga: GreyFoxx: did you use the same settings in both OS?
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: yeah, so needless to say I just rdesktop into the vmware session and convert there
[14:10:00] D-side: wow.
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: laga: pretty much
[14:10:00] D-side: what do you use under windows for this?
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: same bitrate, both deinterlacing, no denoising at all
[14:10:00] GreyFoxx: same codecs
[14:11:00] GreyFoxx: D-side: Avisynth/DGMPEGDEC, and Virtual Dub
[14:11:00] D-side: free or are they commercial?
[14:11:00] GreyFoxx: free
[14:11:00] GreyFoxx: I just leave the vmware session running (it's on my master backend)
[14:12:00] D-side: ooh. once again i owe you my thanks. :)
[14:12:00] ** laga should fire up his windows box then **
[14:12:00] GreyFoxx: rdesktop in for stuff like that, otherwise it's pretty much idle
[14:12:00] D-side: just wait until the VT-i extension cpus are released... out with vmware, in with xen. :)
[14:13:00] GreyFoxx: I'm a huge virtual machine fan, specifically vmware but that's just cause I use it all the time
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[14:13:00] D-side: you should give xen a shot then. i converted my mythtv box into a xen hypervisor with mythtv, shell, and network monitor vms.
[14:13:00] D-side: each is its own vm, and works great.
[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: phaze.org (my colo box) has been a vmware session since early Dec. Not one person has noticed :)
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: Though they have all noticed the improved ftp speed and cpu. They just assumed I upgraded hardware only :)
[14:15:00] D-side: heh
[14:15:00] GreyFoxx: There are 9 other virtual servers on this same box heh
[14:15:00] D-side: gsx?
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: nope
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: the simple and free vmwareplayer
[14:16:00] D-side: surely not workstation!
[14:16:00] D-side: OH
[14:16:00] D-side: hey... wtf not..
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: running under linux of course
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: 3 or 4 virtualized windows machines and 1 Openbsd, and 5 Linux boxes of various flavours
[14:16:00] D-side: thats pretty good. i wouldnt have ever thought of using the free player to deploy vms in production.
[14:17:00] GreyFoxx: It started as an experiment, which so far has rocked
[14:17:00] D-side: indeed.
[14:18:00] D-side: same holds true for my xen'ing, but now that i've put the mythtv box in a vm, i suppose it doesnt get more "production level" than that at home. :)
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: I expected a drop in network performance, but in fact it's faster. I use to top out at around 800–850, but now hit a megabyte regularly
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: my old box must have been my main limitation
[14:18:00] D-side: thats... unexpected.
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[14:18:00] GreyFoxx: downloading from the colo location to home.... sweet
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[14:19:00] D-side: or uploading a vmware session i bet
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: ncftp /torrents/done > get bigfile.moo
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: bigfile.moo: ETA: 11:58 17.72/699.07 MB 971.99 kB/s
[14:20:00] GreyFoxx: yummy
[14:21:00] ivor: yay, got my B&O remote working with my epia.. :) magic.
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[14:21:00] GreyFoxx: b&o ?
[14:21:00] Tommck: get some deodorant for that
[14:21:00] Arkkis: GreyFoxx, I just stepped in on this discussion.. ..did you say that you get better results by having multiple virtual os instead of one to serve or what?
[14:21:00] ivor: GreyFoxx: sigh... bang and olufsen. :)
[14:21:00] Arkkis: bang&oluffsen ?
[14:21:00] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[14:21:00] Arkkis: =)
[14:22:00] D-side: thats pretty cool actually.
[14:22:00] Arkkis: ivor, url?
[14:22:00] ivor: ?
[14:22:00] Tommck: I thought it was a railroad
[14:22:00] Tommck: $200 IIRC
[14:22:00] Arkkis: ivor, I want to see an review of your rc :)
[14:22:00] GreyFoxx: Arkkis: Yes, but underlying hardware changed as well so that's the major factor I'm sure. I just expected having all of those virtual servers to have degraded individual performance more than it has
[14:23:00] ivor: Arkkis: well not much point unless you have existing B&O system. in which case getting the single remote working everything is nice and slick.
[14:23:00] Arkkis: ah, I tought that b&o would have some supersweet remote on sale alone
[14:24:00] ivor: Arkkis: http://www.beoworld.co.uk/beo4.htm
[14:24:00] Arkkis: well, that's kinda neat
[14:24:00] ivor: I just like the design.
[14:25:00] Arkkis: would be nice to be able to switch to radio or to dvd directly from livetv in myth with a press of that button
[14:25:00] Arkkis: is it possible?
[14:25:00] laga: Arkkis: you should be able to define jump points in mythweb
[14:25:00] ivor: Arkkis: you can do that already
[14:25:00] Arkkis: does it need mythweb?
[14:26:00] Arkkis: as currently I'm having problems getting php installed
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[14:28:00] ivor: Arkkis: well you need it to configure... but you could just add the database entries manually.
[14:28:00] ivor: but mythweb is so nice to have I'd get php working anyway....
[14:28:00] znoG: guys, quick Q. In the ivtvdriver.org supported hardware listing, in the KNOWN NOT TO WORK section there are a few cards with driver links.. does this mean they work with a different driver?
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[14:29:00] Arkkis: I had no idea that mythweb provides additional features
[14:29:00] D-side: znoG: dont bet on it.
[14:29:00] GreyFoxx: znoG: All it means is that the cards do not work with ivtv, nothing more
[14:29:00] Arkkis: arr
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[14:34:00] znoG: GreyFoxx: ah, ok.
[14:35:00] D-side: someone buy one of those plextor convertx things and tell me how well they work.
[14:35:00] D-side: :)
[14:39:00] Anyone: should I burn knoppmyth?
[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: D-side: Supposedly the mpeg2 encoder output doesn't look all that great, the mpeg4 is better. But having never seen one I can't say how much better :)
[14:39:00] Anyone: Is there ISO?
[14:39:00] ** GreyFoxx beats users who use ASCII ftp mode for transfer files with a nerf bat **
[14:39:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone: Yeah, they put out an ISO
[14:40:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: well, i'd want it solely for the mpeg4. i've got pvr-250s already.
[14:41:00] Anyone: ahh .. it cannot be downloaded .. at least not from the mirror in the UK.
[14:41:00] GreyFoxx: then try another mirror ?
[14:42:00] Anyone: Why not?
[14:42:00] Anyone: :)
[14:42:00] Anyone: lemme scroll beack for the url
[14:42:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: so its decided then? you'll go buy a convertx and tell me how good it is? :)
[14:42:00] Anyone: I have this remote: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg
[14:42:00] GreyFoxx: D-side: No, but you can certainly buy one and send it to me for my person evaluation
[14:42:00] Anyone: Will it work with mythtv?
[14:43:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[14:43:00] Anyone: cool
[14:43:00] Anyone: How do I set up lirc for it?
[14:43:00] D-side: GreyFoxx: i dont like the turn this is taking.
[14:43:00] D-side: Anyone: correctly.
[14:43:00] Anyone: D-side, no hints?
[14:43:00] D-side: "google" :D
[14:43:00] Tommck: Anyone – that's his way of saying RTFM
[14:43:00] D-side: theres probably an example listed on the site.
[14:44:00] Anyone: Tommck, I did look at it . .but it keeps talking about homemade stuff .. no hints or cliues about how to fix lirc.hardware
[14:44:00] Anyone: at least I did not find the spots
[14:45:00] Anyone: wow .. knoppmyth is 630+ megabyts!
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[14:49:00] Anyone: D-side, I did look at the documentation .. but I don't see how to fix /etc/lirc/hardware.conf .... could you google it for me?
[14:50:00] D-side: uh.
[14:50:00] Anyone: D-side, ok .. I will try myself .. google is broken here though. :)
[14:50:00] D-side: i'm gonna have to go with no on that one. :)
[14:50:00] D-side: searching google builds character.
[14:50:00] Guyfromhe: heh can you google it for me :P
[14:51:00] Anyone: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . month=200507
[14:51:00] Anyone: Guyfromhe, I thought I was funny :-)
[14:51:00] Merlin83b3: Juski: Do you have deinterlacing turned on your epia frontend?
[14:52:00] Anyone: Guyfromhe, Its easy to take anyone who asks you to google for him or her seriously. ;-)
[14:53:00] ivor: Merlin83b3: yes. :)
[14:53:00] Anyone: D-side, in fact .. problems with documentation for lirc is that they assume you're not a fool, they assume you kinda know what you're doing. I don't however.
[14:53:00] Juski: Merlin: talk about timing – I've just re-awoke
[14:53:00] Merlin83b3: :-)
[14:53:00] Juski: and yes, by the way I do
[14:53:00] Anyone: Juski, hows your head?
[14:54:00] Anyone: :-)
[14:54:00] Juski: heads ok
[14:54:00] Juski: lot better than yesterday
[14:54:00] Merlin83b3: Hmm, I turned it off and went for quite a while without prebuffering pauses. I have left it on live TV and will check again when I get home.
[14:54:00] Juski: thanks
[14:54:00] Anyone: Good :)
[14:54:00] Juski: Anyone: I kind of agree with your comment about the lirc documentation
[14:54:00] D-side: Anyone: i have to agree with you per the documentation.
[14:54:00] D-side: hah
[14:54:00] Anyone: OK .. give me some basic hints about lirc .. why are there so many config files .. what hardware do I have when its build into the tvcard?
[14:54:00] D-side: its unanimous.
[14:54:00] Juski: so many config files?
[14:55:00] Juski: there are two files you need for lirc to work
[14:55:00] Anyone: hardware.conf lirc-modules-source.conf lircd.conf lircd.conf.hauppauge lircd.conf.old_orig lircmd.conf
[14:55:00] ivor: you have a config for your remote and a config for your apps. i.e. 2.
[14:55:00] Juski: or is that 3?
[14:55:00] Guyfromhe: 2=3?
[14:56:00] Juski: ahh well only 2 are needed to actually _use_ lirc when you've compiled it
[14:56:00] Anyone: ivor, what about the hardware? I assume I have to tell lirc that my receiver is on the tv-card?
[14:56:00] D-side: no one needs an lircmd.conf.
[14:56:00] D-side: nor do they need that particular daemon.
[14:56:00] Merlin83b3: Anyone: What card is it that you're using?
[14:56:00] Anyone: Juski, oh .. I didn't compile it .. I just apt-get'ed it.
[14:56:00] Juski: D-side: I needed it for my Gentoo frontend when I had it
[14:56:00] Anyone: Merlin83b, hauppage .. model 647 or 747 ... WinTV PCI-FM
[14:56:00] Juski: Anyone: that's ok
[14:57:00] D-side: Juski: you could have gotten around that. :)
[14:57:00] Juski: so you'll be needing the cx88 lirc module iirc
[14:57:00] Merlin83b3: Not specific to that card, but the remote control part of http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6511 might help you
[14:57:00] Anyone: Juski, does the kernel have the modules it needs? Some page talked about patching the kernel .. but other pages said newer kernels should be up to date (if I got it right)
[14:57:00] D-side: the mouse daemon just seems stupid to me. i removed it all from the gentoo initscript.
[14:57:00] Juski: d'oh
[14:57:00] D-side: then again, i underwent some true lirc stupidity, and had to do a lot of "non-standard" things.
[14:57:00] Juski: lol
[14:58:00] D-side: i had an irblaster i wanted to work in conjunction with a pctv remote, and well.. you needed to have two different lirc daemons running. that was... fun.
[14:58:00] Anyone: heh :)
[14:59:00] D-side: i came to the conclusion that i never watched anything on the digital cable channels anyway, so now i'm back to using coax in.
[14:59:00] D-side: i think that would change if i had a convertx box though.
[14:59:00] Anyone: ok .. unpacking mythtv .. soon ready to compile. :-)
[15:00:00] Anyone: I have connexiant chip .. or whats it called
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone: What version of myth ?
[15:00:00] Anyone: does that one have anything to do with my remote receiver
[15:01:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, 18.1
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: What GCC version ?
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: And What QT./MySQL versions ?
[15:01:00] Anyone: $ gcc --version
[15:01:00] Anyone: gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5–13)
[15:01:00] Anyone: Dunno if I have QT / MySQL
[15:01:00] GreyFoxx: You will need them :)
[15:01:00] Anyone: I guess I have QT 2 or 3 ..
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: gcc should be fine, but you will need QT(with mysql support) and MySQL 3.23.x or 4.x
[15:02:00] Anyone: ahh .. I bet its at least 3.23 when I get it installed.
[15:02:00] GreyFoxx: Well, it will have to be QT 3.x
[15:02:00] Anyone: I run Debian Sarge, if that helps
[15:03:00] GreyFoxx: Not being a Debian user that doesn't mean much to me :) So I'll leave it to you to make sure you have everything :)
[15:03:00] Anyone: right .. I can check what I have :-)
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[15:03:00] Anyone: Henter:1 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main mysql-common 4.0.24–10sarge1 [34,2kB]
[15:04:00] Anyone: seems fine :)
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: That should be fine
[15:04:00] danieldk: GreyFoxx: no to jump in – but err with the correct sources would it not be easier to do an apt-get install mythtv ? :-)
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: danieldk: He said he was compiling, who am I to question that ? :)
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: Especially since I don't like packages or package systems in general :)
[15:04:00] danieldk: GreyFoxx: okay i'll shut up then
[15:05:00] danieldk: :-)
[15:05:00] GreyFoxx: danieldk: No, it's not a bad suggestion :)
[15:05:00] Anyone: danieldk, I fount not on backports dot org?
[15:05:00] Anyone: s/ount/ound/
[15:05:00] D-side: say what you want about gentoo, but i get mythtv installed very easily. :)
[15:05:00] stuarta: anyone: you need libqt3-dev installed
[15:05:00] Anyone: ok
[15:06:00] Anyone: danieldk, thanks for your suggestion .. right now it seems easier to just compile, I already downloaded, and I don't know where to find the deb.
[15:07:00] Anyone: I assume make install will respect an --prefix :-)
[15:07:00] stuarta: anyone: the deb stuff is currently being transferred to a new maintainer.
[15:07:00] Anyone: stuarta, ok
[15:07:00] Anyone: not a bad time to compile then, I assume. :-)
[15:08:00] stuarta: correct.
[15:08:00] Anyone: D-side, gentoo rocks from what I have heard.
[15:08:00] danieldk: no quite a good time to do it actually – the "old" stuff is here btw:
[15:08:00] danieldk: anyone: are you saying that you couldn't find a
[15:08:00] GreyFoxx: Anyone: I think there is a configure prefix flag yeah. I've never used it for myth but I'm pretty sure it's there
[15:08:00] danieldk: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists . . . binary-i386/
[15:08:00] Anyone: I have some lag ...
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[15:09:00] stuarta: anyone: the configure respects --prefix
[15:09:00] laga: marillat has debian packages for sid
[15:09:00] Anyone: GreyFoxx, I prefix with ~/myth .. so when the debian package is ready, I can make the switch with ease. :-)
[15:10:00] Anyone: hmm .. configure failed to produce a makefile ...
[15:10:00] Anyone: Am I supposed to use qmake or what it is called?
[15:10:00] danieldk: yes
[15:10:00] GreyFoxx: I can understand that. I often install apps into /pub/appname or /opt/appname
[15:10:00] danieldk: qmake mythtv.pro as i recall
[15:10:00] Anyone: ahh .. i need xmltv also!
[15:11:00] stuarta: The list of what you need is in the howto.
[15:11:00] Anyone: stuarta, I'm in the README right now. :-)
[15:12:00] stuarta: good place to start :-)
[15:12:00] Anyone: danieldk, thanks! That did produce a usable makefile! :-)
[15:13:00] danieldk: please remember to check the configure file for what you need before you start compiling
[15:13:00] Anyone: I installed xmltv while compiling. :-)
[15:14:00] ** Anyone is still compiling. **
[15:14:00] Anyone: So, I can delete the hardware.conf ?
[15:16:00] Anyone: cat /dev/input/event0
[15:17:00] Anyone: $ LANG=C cat /dev/input/event0
[15:17:00] Anyone: cat: /dev/input/event0: No such file or directory
[15:17:00] wole: Does anyone know the service id's & multiplexes are for uk freeview DVB ?
[15:17:00] Anyone: $ LANG=C ls /dev/input/
[15:17:00] Anyone: mice mouse0 ts0
[15:18:00] Anyone: "While we're compiling – lets give lirc a chance .."
[15:19:00] danieldk: apt-get install lirc? :-D
[15:19:00] danieldk: what can i say i like apt-get
[15:19:00] stuarta: wole: any reason you can't just let myth scan for them?
[15:19:00] Anyone: danieldk, I did that .. but it complains :/
[15:20:00] danieldk: missing /dev/input/event0?
[15:20:00] wole: stuarta: setup can't open the card for some reason
[15:20:00] Anyone: danieldk, yeah
[15:20:00] danieldk: try mknod /dev/input/event0 c 13 64
[15:20:00] stuarta: wole: assume it's detected okay by the kernel?
[15:20:00] ivor: wole: are you running mythbackend at the same time as setup?
[15:20:00] Anyone: I am in #flood
[15:21:00] Anyone: $ cat /dev/input/event0
[15:21:00] Anyone: cat: /dev/input/event0: Ingen sådan enhed
[15:21:00] wole: ivor: good point :-$
[15:21:00] danieldk: anyone: ikke så godt
[15:22:00] Anyone: danieldk, event1 ?
[15:22:00] Anyone: 14 64 ?
[15:22:00] danieldk: anyone: nej 13 65
[15:23:00] Anyone: ok :D
[15:23:00] Juski: wole: where are you?
[15:23:00] Anyone: danieldk, og 13 66 for event2 .. men stadig ingen success :/
[15:24:00] Anyone: samme problem
[15:24:00] Anyone: btw. I am using "udev" ?
[15:24:00] Anyone: (At least I think I am)
[15:24:00] ** wole feels silly **
[15:25:00] ** wole has been punched by silly, and now feels embarased. **
[15:25:00] Juski: SVN warns you the backend is still running ;-)
[15:25:00] danieldk: Anyone: try a MAKEDEV – besides that idunno..
[15:25:00] Anyone: ok
[15:26:00] ** stuarta takes pictures of wole and silly for later bribery **
[15:27:00] ** Juski is about to try DVB radio **
[15:28:00] stuarta: juski: let us know how it goes....
[15:28:00] Arkkis: w00t, finally php_mod installs!
[15:28:00] danieldk: Juski: link 2 the project?
[15:28:00] Arkkis: soon I'll be having mythweb
[15:29:00] Anyone: ls .static/dev/input/ -l
[15:29:00] Anyone: total 0
[15:29:00] Anyone: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 Jan 4 16:28 event0
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[15:29:00] Juski: I miss a lot of radio4 programmes by lacking dvb radio
[15:29:00] stuarta: danieldk: it's a patch against svn
[15:30:00] danieldk: stuarta:oh- okay :-)
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[15:30:00] Anyone: what is /dev/input/event* anyhow?
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[15:32:00] Juski: danieldk: it's in SVN now
[15:33:00] Anyone: argh .. he left
[15:33:00] Anyone: do I need modules in the kernel?
[15:35:00] Anyone: for lirc that is?
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[15:37:00] Juski: Anyone: depends
[15:37:00] Anyone: ok
[15:37:00] Anyone: connex chip in the card
[15:37:00] Anyone: PCI-FM model 647 or 747
[15:38:00] Anyone: I never had any expirience with irda or stuff
[15:38:00] Juski: it's not irda
[15:39:00] Juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x)
[15:42:00] Anyone: I don't have that ACPI stuff .. Linux complains that my BIOS is old ..
[15:43:00] Anyone: Jan 4 16:42:01 localhost kernel: input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx as /class/input/input4
[15:44:00] Anyone: /class ?
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[15:46:00] Juski: seems I was wrong about the DVB radio thing being in SVN.. need to patchy patchy
[15:47:00] stuarta: juski: The patch doesn't allow the scanning to insert radio channels into the DB tho.
[15:48:00] Juski: yes I know
[15:49:00] Juski: I imported a channels.conf
[15:49:00] Juski: can't seem to get the patch to apply either.. I'm doing something daft
[15:52:00] Juski: god I can be so _thick_
[15:52:00] stuarta: actually, I'm just reviewing the patch. Looks like it will scan for the channels.
[15:54:00] Juski: recompilering now
[15:55:00] Juski: why's it tabbed for 0.20 rather than 0.19?
[15:56:00] stuarta: probably because it's preliminary and 0.19 is due sooner rather than later.
[15:56:00] Juski: ah well..
[15:56:00] ** Juski mutters something about good things & waiting **
[15:57:00] stuarta: positive feedback to the relevant list may however encourage daniel to commit it.
[15:57:00] Juski: so test it to death & make nice comments ;-)
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[15:58:00] stuarta: better than twiddling your thumbs.
[15:58:00] Juski: it'll be good if my 0.18 backend can play the recorded files.. from what I've read it looks possible
[15:58:00] stuarta: ?
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[15:59:00] Juski: I've already got a working 0.18 system...
[15:59:00] Anyone: I following a string I got somewhere.
[15:59:00] stuarta: mixing versions is playing with fire.
[15:59:00] Juski: if I share the recorded file to the working machine, then mplay or vlc it...
[15:59:00] D-side: i'm afraid to upgrade when its released.
[15:59:00] D-side: my xbox is my only frontend. :)
[16:00:00] Juski: stuarta: I wasn't proposing I connect the working machines to this one via the myth protocol.. hell no
[16:00:00] D-side: if xbmcmythtv doesnt get updated asap, no, i cant really do that. heh
[16:00:00] Juski: interest in xbmcmythtv is erm... sporadic to say the least
[16:00:00] stuarta: stuarta: ahh just filesharing would work.
[16:00:00] Juski: nothing happens for ages, then they change loads of stuff
[16:01:00] Juski: I don't like the tone of the mythmusic ui changes though.. I've almost finished my new theme.. I don't want it borked already
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[16:01:00] D-side: Juski: yeah, exactly.
[16:01:00] ** stuarta wonders why he is talking to himself.... **
[16:01:00] Juski: lol
[16:02:00] ** ivor wonders about stuarta in general. **
[16:02:00] ** stuarta suspects he may be a hamster **
[16:03:00] Juski: I've been wondering lately.. as well as DVB radio.. has anyone been playing with MHEG lately?
[16:03:00] D-side: i'm not even aware of the acronym
[16:03:00] ivor: Juski: not recently.
[16:03:00] stuarta: juski: looked at all that a while back.
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[16:03:00] Juski: I never used to care a rat's chuff about MHEG, til I saw what the BBC put on their interactive side
[16:03:00] ivor: Juski: got a long way and got distracted/bored
[16:04:00] Anyone: Juski, not sure .. I don't think so though.
[16:04:00] ivor: story of my life really.
[16:04:00] stuarta: juski: it's like trying to hit a moving target with all the changes going on at the mom.
[16:04:00] Juski: at the end of Jools' Hootenanny on NYE I pressed the red button & saw a coldplay session
[16:04:00] Juski: np
[16:05:00] stuarta: juski: same effect can be achieved by tuning to the interactive channels direct :-)
[16:05:00] Juski: yeh if you know where they're on
[16:05:00] Juski: 301/302/303
[16:05:00] ivor: too much on my todo list and not enough hours in the day. :(
[16:05:00] stuarta: thats them.
[16:06:00] Juski: you can keep the games & stuff though.. not interested in them
[16:06:00] stuarta: getting the MHEG stuff going is a multi stage process.
[16:06:00] ivor: Juski: but once you've got an mheg processor working the games are "free"
[16:06:00] stuarta: 1. Subscribe to relevant pids
[16:07:00] ivor: I got as far as a complete c++ parser for the asn.1 binary data
[16:07:00] stuarta: 2. build object carousel from data
[16:07:00] ivor: and built the object model.
[16:07:00] stuarta: 3. mheg rendering engine
[16:07:00] ivor: but didn't do that bit. :)
[16:07:00] stuarta: 4. Integrate with new mythui (0.20 territory)
[16:08:00] Arkkis: ivor, got mythweb installed, this is just great, now I can schedule recordings from anywhere, joy :)
[16:09:00] stuarta: ivor: had got as far as getting data to frontend, but haven't got around to writing or integrating a decoder lib.
[16:10:00] ivor: stuarta: perhaps throwing everything into an svn repository would be worthwhile
[16:11:00] Juski: it'll make mythtv even more of an MCE killer if it comes off :)
[16:11:00] D-side: i think it already is.
[16:11:00] D-side: MCE, imo, is entirely overrated.
[16:11:00] ivor: MCE doesn't need any killing.
[16:11:00] Juski: that's what I mean.. it already is.. but give it some more ;)
[16:12:00] stuarta: ivor: I got sidetracked by stabilising the main code. Perhaps.....
[16:12:00] Juski: I always laugh when I read the "reboot a day" business
[16:12:00] D-side: Juski: just to kick at its prone body. sure.
[16:12:00] D-side: :)
[16:13:00] stuarta: ivor: Perhaps we could just get a collaboration going on the wiki???
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[16:14:00] fryfrog: for some reason, my myth has been recording 30min segments of a channel for the past like... 2 weeks
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[16:14:00] Anyone: it works now
[16:14:00] ivor: well I spent so long reading the mheg specs it'd seem a waste not doing anything. :P
[16:14:00] Anyone: I needed to modprope sudo modprobe evdev
[16:14:00] Anyone: next step with lirc :-)
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[16:19:00] Juski: wish I'd never done make distclean now.. or maybe I need to start using cccache
[16:20:00] stuarta: Juski: cccache is a good thing.
[16:20:00] Anyone: which module does lirc need in the kernel?
[16:20:00] Anyone: it complains it cannot load the modules?
[16:20:00] stuarta: fryfrog: sounds like you have a recording schedule set to record everyday at a specific time
[16:21:00] kahuna_: Anyone: Depends on what you plan on doing w/ lirc. Serial device?
[16:22:00] Anyone: can mythtv use my remote without lirc?
[16:22:00] Juski: Anyone: nope
[16:23:00] Anyone: kahuna_, its build into my hauppage ..
[16:23:00] Anyone: <weeti> mythtv can cooperate directly with your remote
[16:23:00] Juski: it should just use the cx88 module.. if it's been configured to do that
[16:24:00] kahuna_: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lir
[16:24:00] Juski: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers
[16:24:00] kahuna_: Err – that should be http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc
[16:24:00] fryfrog: I think its related to the Air2PC card i put in but iddn't really setup
[16:25:00] Juski: time to finish off that christmas cake I think
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[16:28:00] Anyone: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmp3lame
[16:28:00] Anyone: (While compiling)
[16:28:00] Anyone: (MythTV)
[16:29:00] stuarta: anyone: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
[16:29:00] Anyone: it has to be sid?
[16:30:00] stuarta: shouldn't matter.
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[16:31:00] Anyone: then apt-get install ?
[16:31:00] stuarta: I think liblame-dev
[16:31:00] Anyone: thanks
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[16:33:00] stuarta: anyone: has sarge & etch repositories on the same site.
[16:33:00] Anyone: they're different .. but usually s/sarge/etch/ would work, Iguess :)
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[16:38:00] Juski: wah? 1GB flash drives now below £36?!
[16:40:00] Anyone: some times.
[16:47:00] Merlin83b3: Nice.
[16:48:00] Juski: what does "has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor" mean anyway?
[16:48:00] Juski: seeing a lot of that
[16:48:00] ivor: um, you've got a class with virtual functions.. but don't have a virtual destructor? :D
[16:49:00] Juski: aha!
[16:49:00] Juski: lol
[16:50:00] stuarta: it does mean exactly what it says :-) I have a reference somewhere why this is a BAD THING
[16:50:00] Juski: a bad thing? or just 'naughty' ?
[16:51:00] Anyone: virtual .. which language?
[16:51:00] Juski: I think it affects the whole of the QT libraries looking at the gcc output here
[16:51:00] stuarta: bad thing. Some compilers on calling one or other of the destructor forget to call the other one, leading to mem corruption etc.
[16:51:00] ivor: it's bad because it means you're probably holding objects pointers polymorphically and so if one is destroyed then you can't guarantee the destructors will get called.
[16:52:00] Juski: memory leakage ahoy, eh?
[16:52:00] stuarta: we have to wait for qt4 for it to be fixed.
[16:52:00] ivor: but if you're really careful and know what you're doing then it's safe.... but not sensible.
[16:53:00] Juski: another reason I shouldn't code just yet then
[16:53:00] ivor: lol
[16:54:00] Juski: I have one or 2 things on my to-do list I'd like to try though
[16:54:00] stuarta: found it. http://www.programmingresearch.com/solutions/ . . . e_3.3.2.html
[16:55:00] stuarta: The website is actually worth a read for it's summary of good C++ techniques.
[16:55:00] Anyone: ahhh .. knoppmyth burned and downloaded :-)
[16:55:00] Juski: last thing I did I was learning Qstring syntax & C++ syntax on the fly
[16:55:00] wole: Anyone: a word of warning, when it says "this may take a while" during the install process, it isn;t kidding
[16:56:00] Anyone: oh
[16:56:00] Juski: Anyone: knoppmyth is no 'magic bullet'  – keep that in mind
[16:57:00] Anyone: oh .. right
[16:57:00] Anyone: but if nothing else works, I guess its good for testing :-)
[16:57:00] Anyone: I would like to see the remote working :-)
[16:58:00] Juski: been a while since I tried it actually.. it might not even break my backend next time
[16:58:00] Merlin83b3: Worked for me :-)
[16:58:00] Merlin83b3: With the exception of the bits that aren't yet working ;-)
[16:58:00] Juski: lol
[16:59:00] ** stuarta hands merlin83b3 some string and sticky tape. **
[16:59:00] Merlin83b3: D.dv
[16:59:00] Merlin83b3: Erm, heh.
[16:59:00] Anyone: Juski, myth is still compiling.
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[17:01:00] laga: Anyone: did you get your tv-card working?
[17:01:00] \Grooby\_: hey guys..would having 3 capture card recording at once (1 PVR350, 1 PVR 150, 1 HD3k) causes high system load due to saturated bus?
[17:01:00] Anyone: laga Yeah .. working on the remote now. compiling mythtv
[17:02:00] laga: Anyone: nice :)
[17:02:00] Juski: Anyone: it's still compiling here
[17:02:00] Juski: woops
[17:02:00] Juski: spoke too soon
[17:02:00] ** laga compiles mythplugins **
[17:03:00] ** stuarta hopes laga installed mythtv first **
[17:03:00] Juski: dvb-t radio works... w000000t
[17:03:00] stuarta: nice....
[17:03:00] ** Juski listens to radio1 **
[17:04:00] wole: OK, this is just plain odd. I reran myth-setup 'cos my channels gotall messed up, and bbc1 and bbc2 (and news24) magically lost mplexid, serviceid & atscsrcid data. It found them, and reinserted them, but still null values in those fields – any ideas?
[17:04:00] Anyone: Juski, nah .. just finished with an error
[17:04:00] Anyone: seems like it cannot find QT
[17:04:00] Anyone: I guess I need some environment variable?
[17:05:00] Juski: Anyone: you'll need libqt3-dev
[17:05:00] Anyone: So stuarta told me, Juski, and I think I installed it earlier, but I guess it isn't obvious to myth where it is?
[17:05:00] Juski: wole: afaik the SIT parser should just update em as & when
[17:05:00] Juski: Anyone.. have you read the docs about compiling yourself?
[17:06:00] ivor: btw. did anyone here use the epia colour osd ?
[17:06:00] Anyone: nah .. just browsed them like always ;-)
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[17:06:00] Anyone: ivor, nope, I didn't.
[17:06:00] Beirdo: go RTFM then
[17:06:00] Anyone: ivor, at least not knowingly. :-)
[17:06:00] ivor: anyone, not Anyone. :D
[17:06:00] Anyone: Beirdo, sounds like a sound recommendation. :-)
[17:06:00] Juski: colour OSD?
[17:07:00] Juski: oh no! Radio3 doesn't work :(
[17:08:00] Anyone: DVB support no [/usr/src/linux-2.6.15/include]
[17:08:00] Anyone: # Input Support
[17:08:00] Anyone: Joystick menu yes
[17:08:00] Anyone: lirc support no
[17:08:00] ** Juski gets deafened by madonna **
[17:09:00] stuarta: How about radio6?
[17:10:00] Beirdo: Juski: that new song pisses me off... after the second time I hear it the same day
[17:10:00] Juski: 6music?
[17:10:00] stuarta: that's the one.
[17:11:00] Juski: prefer xfm meself
[17:11:00] Anyone: please join #flood and take a look at my errors. I think I might be missing something else QT
[17:11:00] stuarta: it's not on dvb tho, only dab. (I prefer it too, but the odd late evening show is great)
[17:12:00] Juski: we're getting an xfm in manchester sometime – apparently
[17:12:00] Juski: that'll be the first ever local station I've ever wanted to listen to
[17:12:00] ivor: Anyone: use pastebin. much easier.
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[17:14:00] Anyone: ivor, not really .. because I run an "/exec -o" with grep
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[17:17:00] Anyone: oh well .. did a make clean .. seems that tvtime reads the remote now.
[17:17:00] Anyone: I'll give it another shot later.
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[17:18:00] Juski: going back to an old problem on this ubuntu box: I can't seem to get xvmc working
[17:18:00] Juski: I have libxvmc1 installed and mythtv is compiled with support for it
[17:18:00] Juski: but it still complains it can't load the modules... anything obvious wrong?
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[17:28:00] marieli: hello
[17:28:00] marieli: how r u?
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[17:47:00] mcphail: I've read the topic, Googled and am trying not to be a dumbass. Is anyone using a digital tv card under 64 bit Ubuntu breezy with success? Do you have recommendations for purchase?
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[18:11:00] beavis: digital tv card?
[18:11:00] djstillman: Hey all
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[18:12:00] djstillman: Have an eVGA Personal cinema video card with built in tv tuner and comp video in and out. Any thoughts on where to start with it?
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[18:15:00] mcphail: beavis: DVB-T
[18:15:00] beavis: mcphail: my airstar2 works great
[18:15:00] Nichotin: what is up when your pvr350 locks to one freq, and mythtv hops to channel 2 no matter what channel you choose?
[18:16:00] mcphail: beavis: thank you. i'll check that out.
[18:22:00] fryfrog: djstillman: lspci -v probably
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[18:25:00] djstillman: fryfrog – thanks. have the video card portion set up, but not detecting anything else in lspci...
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[18:29:00] praet: Nichotin: check your mythtv setup. there is an option to change to a channel when the tuner is selected that should be blank.
[18:35:00] Goose-Npa: praet
[18:36:00] Goose-Npa: do you keep your episodes or what?
[18:37:00] praet: episodes?
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[18:38:00] mikael: hey. mythtv can tune to the default channel fine, but when I try to change the channel from the prontend, the frontend's video freezes and it eventually times out while waiting for the video stream. if I then restart the frontend, video works again, and it's at the default channel
[18:39:00] praet: mikael: run the frontend from a terminal and see what is going on when you change channels
[18:39:00] praet: mikael: also, are you using an external channel changing script
[18:39:00] Goose-Npa: praet: television shows that you record, do you archive them or just delete them?
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[18:40:00] praet: yeah i keep them for a long time.. i dont auto expire anything either...
[18:40:00] mikael: the client doesn't really say anything when changing channels, except "NVP: prebuffering pause" followed by a bunch of "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times."
[18:41:00] praet: Goose-Npa: i dont have a problem with space but you could transcode files to make them smaller when you want to keep a file for a long time
[18:41:00] praet: mikael: what capture card is it?
[18:41:00] Goose-Npa: praet: transcode them how
[18:41:00] mikael: cheap hercules bt878
[18:41:00] mikael: works fine with tvtime
[18:42:00] praet: mikael: are you using the ivtv driver?
[18:43:00] mikael: I don't know what ivtv is, but I'm using the bttv module to capture video
[18:44:00] praet: Goose-Npa: look up transcoding in the docs
[18:45:00] djstillman: Have an eVGA Personal cinema video card with built in tv tuner and comp video in and out. Any thoughts on where to start with it?
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[18:45:00] D-side: isnt that an nvidia card?
[18:45:00] djstillman: Have video card part set up, but am not seeing rest in lspci...
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[18:45:00] djstillman: D-side – Yes
[18:45:00] D-side: thats not supported.
[18:45:00] D-side: last i checked anyway.
[18:46:00] Riddles: Levon.... Are you here?
[18:46:00] djstillman: D-side – darn. not supported in Mythtv, or in linux, or where?
[18:46:00] GreyFoxx: No Linux drivers
[18:47:00] GreyFoxx: Nvidia hasn't released anything for it as of right now
[18:47:00] D-side: thought not.
[18:47:00] djstillman: Darn. No hacks? I had seen using a relative chip's drivers, but had no clue how to proceed...
[18:47:00] D-side: nope.
[18:47:00] D-side: next time check to see if hardware is supported before buying. :)
[18:47:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't seen any one attempt to do up their own driver
[18:47:00] GreyFoxx: for that
[18:48:00] GreyFoxx: but you never know, someone might be, but I wouldn't know who
[18:48:00] D-side: google doesnt yield anything helpful.
[18:49:00] praet: mikael: try watching the /dev/video# capture and changing channels in another terminal
[18:49:00] djstillman: D-side – bought the card long before moving to linux...
[18:50:00] D-side: djstillman: excuses excuses. :)
[18:51:00] djstillman: D-side – so, do you have any recommendations for a decently featured separate tv tuner card?
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[18:53:00] mikael: praet: what do you mean by watching the /dev/video capture?
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[18:55:00] djstillman: Does anyone have any recommendations for a decently featured tv tuner card that is not an arm and a leg??
[18:57:00] Nichotin: the pvr-350 is not an arm, nor a leg
[18:57:00] jasta: i dont know of any tv tuner cards that are arms or legs.
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[18:57:00] djstillman: Come on guys, be serious!
[18:57:00] Kelerion: pvr 250
[18:57:00] Nichotin: pvr-250 is pretty cheap, aint it?
[18:57:00] jasta: also not an arm or leg :)
[18:57:00] Kelerion: depends on whether or not you want dvb
[18:57:00] Nichotin: or the pvr150
[18:58:00] djstillman: dvb??
[18:58:00] Juski: good luck finding a pvr250 in the shops these days
[18:58:00] Kelerion: got mine from ebay
[18:58:00] Kelerion: couldn't find one over here.. lol
[18:58:00] djstillman: Kelerion – What is dvb?
[18:58:00] Juski: digital video broadcasting = dvb
[18:59:00] Kelerion: yeah.. what he said
[18:59:00] Juski: Kelerion: how much did you pay?
[18:59:00] Kelerion: about 60 quid
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[18:59:00] Juski: ouch!
[18:59:00] Juski: when you can get a 150 for less than £45 brand new?
[19:00:00] Juski: small price to pay though for uber stable drivers ;-)
[19:00:00] Kelerion: 150's weren't very stable under linux when I got my 250 as I recall
[19:00:00] Kelerion: in fact I think they'd just come out.. but I could be wrong
[19:00:00] djstillman: Hey guys, is dvb what the set top tv tuner boxes are?
[19:01:00] Kelerion: and yeah.. I really can't know the stability
[19:01:00] Kelerion: know-knock
[19:01:00] Kelerion: djstillman.. yeah
[19:02:00] Kelerion: free channels over the air
[19:02:00] Juski: djstillman: if you're in the UK, DVB-T is the way to go, for sure
[19:02:00] djstillman: I am in the US...
[19:02:00] Juski: digital TV in the US is erm.. HDTV or bust
[19:03:00] Juski: as far as free-to-air goes anyway
[19:03:00] djstillman: So I do not need DVB for just plain cable?
[19:03:00] Juski: unless you guys have digital satellite – not seen much talk of that
[19:03:00] Kelerion: Juski.. any ideas off the top of your head what I'd espect to be charged for a new dvb capable aerial including installation?
[19:04:00] Juski: Kelerion: depends where you live.. when I first moved in here I got a new aerial & feed cable.. cost me £50
[19:04:00] Kelerion: am thinking of getting it as a secondary option
[19:04:00] Kelerion: including installation?
[19:04:00] Juski: yep
[19:04:00] Kelerion: damn.. that sounds cheap.. I thought it was in the hundreds
[19:04:00] Juski: further south of Manchester expect more like £150 I bet though
[19:04:00] Kelerion: am in Leeds
[19:05:00] Juski: look in yer yellow pages.. ring round for quotes
[19:05:00] Kelerion: will look into.. thanks
[19:05:00] Juski: make sure they use good cable though.. standard TV coax is cack for digital
[19:05:00] djstillman: Guys, so I do not need DVB for just plain cable?
[19:06:00] Kelerion: I already have a twinhan card that looks promising.. got it with my new pc
[19:06:00] Juski: djstillman: depends on the cable provider
[19:06:00] Kelerion: until someone tells me it's cack.. lol
[19:06:00] djstillman: lmao...
[19:06:00] Juski: some cable companies insist on you needing a digital set top box which complicates matters a bit
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[19:07:00] Juski: analogue TV is gonna die out at some point, so that's something to consider
[19:07:00] jvs: hey guys and girls
[19:08:00] Juski: hey jvs
[19:08:00] jvs: anybody I keep getting this "Unknown video codec:" error when transcoding
[19:08:00] _willcooke_: Kelerion, I bought a big aerial from argos and some decent coax from screwfix (prolly get a decent aerial there as well) and lobbed it in my loft, cos be about 30 quid.
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[19:08:00] jvs: but it only ocurrs only from time to time
[19:08:00] Ediehow: i can change my channels in mythtv if i run, externally, ivtv-tune -c x
[19:08:00] Ediehow: but if i put that as external tuning method
[19:09:00] Juski: Ediehow: you still not got that working yet?
[19:09:00] Juski: maybe your channel frequencies aren't set up
[19:09:00] D-side: hrm. a pvr-150 for $99, MCE bundle
[19:09:00] Ediehow: Juski: ivtv-tune -c x works
[19:09:00] Delemas: why would you need that?
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[19:10:00] jvs: I recently bought a pvr-250 for 35 Euros
[19:10:00] D-side: i might want that just for the mce remote.
[19:10:00] Kelerion: cool.. just opened yell.com.. found an installer 3 streets away.. lol.. and he can do a new aerial.. thats digital.. including installation for 55 quid
[19:10:00] _willcooke_: Bargain!
[19:10:00] Juski: can we have a filter for those letters? I find them offensive
[19:10:00] Ediehow: Delemas: me?
[19:10:00] Kelerion: gotta call him tomorrow to arrange installation :)
[19:10:00] Ediehow: what letters?
[19:10:00] Juski: starts with 'M' and ends with 'E'
[19:10:00] Delemas: Ediehow: yes. you should just be able to use the PVR settings in mythtv....
[19:11:00] Ediehow: Delemas: well, channels are not changing within myth
[19:11:00] jvs: anybody here uses "transcode" to convert movies from mpeg2 to mpeg4?
[19:11:00] Ediehow: jvs: use nuvexport
[19:11:00] Delemas: Ediehow: try resetting your mythtvsetup settings...
[19:11:00] Ediehow: for card, or channels?
[19:11:00] Delemas: I had to do both when I upgraded to 0.5.x.
[19:11:00] Delemas: of ivtv.
[19:12:00] jvs: Ediehow: I know nuvexport, anyway I want to use a gui
[19:12:00] _willcooke_: Kelerion, ask if he'll run the cable down the cavity rather than down the outside. It'll protect the coax from the weather, but there is a slight possibility of damp, if you've got a fairly new house it shouldnt be a problem really (might bump the installation cost up a bit)
[19:12:00] Ediehow: try mythburn
[19:12:00] Delemas: tuner0 became tuner input 0 among other things...
[19:12:00] Ediehow: "tune input 0"?
[19:12:00] Ediehow: well, mine is just called "tuner" now
[19:13:00] Kelerion: 60's house.. will ask him about it.. thanks :)
[19:13:00] jvs: Ediehow: I don't want to use smthg different, I want to solve this specific problem
[19:13:00] _willcooke_: Kelerion, might be worth a quick search of uk.d-i-y for some other gotchas
[19:13:00] Juski: _willcooke_ if he does a proper job he'll use proper coax & use self-amalgamating tape on the aerial connection
[19:13:00] Juski: ;)
[19:13:00] ** Kelerion makes notes **
[19:13:00] Kelerion: never had a new aerial before.. lol
[19:13:00] Juski: check the installer's shoes for spurs
[19:13:00] _willcooke_: Juski, very true, but that won't stop little groats cutting the cable!
[19:13:00] _willcooke_: A horse is always a bad sign as well
[19:14:00] Kelerion: we get lots of groats around here.. lol
[19:14:00] Juski: and "where'd y'all want this here antenna puttin'?"
[19:14:00] Kelerion: "I've left my bluetac at home – be back in 20 mins!"
[19:15:00] Juski: once read a guide on installing aerials & stuff.. "at a height of at least two and a half drunks off the ground"
[19:15:00] _willcooke_: Our neighbours had a yeeehaaa install a new shower in their bathroom. The bloke clipped the power (60 amps cable!!!!!) to the out side of the house and scroats cut it on halloween.
[19:15:00] ** Kelerion laughs **
[19:15:00] _willcooke_: Juski, :)
[19:16:00] Juski: _willcooke_ no more of that, not with the all-seeing all-disemboweling powers of 'Part P'
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[19:16:00] ** _willcooke_ cough, splutter. **
[19:16:00] Juski: no more changing your own lightbulbs without permission from the council building inspector... grrrr
[19:16:00] _willcooke_: "Erm, no that outside lighting was installed by an electrician, honest"
[19:17:00] Juski: my line is gonna be "it was like that when I moved in"
[19:17:00] _willcooke_: The harmonised cable is a give away though!
[19:17:00] Juski: ahh yes but you can still buy the old
[19:17:00] Juski: ;)
[19:17:00] Kelerion: "Part P"? they putting new regulations on council houses?
[19:17:00] Juski: Kelerion: it basically means homeowners can't do their own electrical work anymore
[19:17:00] ** _willcooke_ bought some "WARNING: This installtion complies to two version of IEEE whatever" and stuck on on the CU. Looks like a spark installed it then! **
[19:18:00] Juski: you can replace stuff, but not move anything or install new
[19:18:00] Kelerion: homeowners?? ah crap
[19:18:00] _willcooke_: Just do it anyway!
[19:18:00] Juski: just jobs for the boys stuff really
[19:18:00] Juski: the catch is that you'll now need to prove everything is electrically sound to sell your house
[19:19:00] _willcooke_: That's when it's handy to know a spark!
[19:19:00] Juski: which might be interesting when someone sees the light dimmer I'm putting in my new bathroom
[19:19:00] _willcooke_: Dimmer in bathroom?!?! Can you get IP?? rated dimmers? I like the idea of that
[19:19:00] Kelerion: I wouldn't let it stop me anyways.. when we bought this house two years ago.. we found out apparently (20 years ago!) it was a council house.. and that meant we couldn't have hens in the back garden etc etc.. I'll do whatever the hell I want to my own house! lol
[19:19:00] Juski: "light dimmer in the bathroom.. ooo no you can't do that..."... but I say.. wwww.bathroomswitch.co.uk ;)
[19:20:00] _willcooke_: Ha!
[19:20:00] Juski: oops: http://www.sensor.co.uk/BathroomSwitch.htm
[19:20:00] D-side: Kelerion: you want to have hens in the back garden?
[19:20:00] _willcooke_: I was going to do similar with LV but I was going to mount the dimmer on the outside of the bathroom
[19:21:00] Kelerion: nope.. but my wife used to before I met her
[19:21:00] Juski: a mate of mine at work is making an automatic bath filler (! ffs)
[19:21:00] Ediehow: help
[19:21:00] _willcooke_: Oooh sweet switch!
[19:21:00] Ediehow: Delemas: it's not showing any channels
[19:21:00] Juski: Ediehow: did someone forget to run mythfilldatabase?
[19:21:00] Ediehow: i didn't finish mythtvsetup
[19:22:00] Beirdo: then do that
[19:22:00] ** _willcooke_ fancies the idea of ssh'ing in from work and telling the bath to fill up! **
[19:23:00] Ediehow: no i am saying, i get to the end, at channel editor, and there are no channels listed
[19:23:00] Ediehow: despite selecting my input source
[19:23:00] Juski: funny thing is though will, he's got his home automation controlled by the 'do everything' windows PC... goes to turn the kitchen light on & it can take up to 30seconds.. lol
[19:23:00] Beirdo: have you exited the setup with it all setup and run the mythfilldatabase?
[19:23:00] _willcooke_: You need to tie the input source to the card, then click ok, then go back in again
[19:23:00] Kelerion: http://www.beaumonthomecentre.com/bathroom.htm
[19:24:00] Beirdo: if not, how the hell do expect the data from zap2it to get into your database?
[19:24:00] _willcooke_: Juski, Ha!
[19:24:00] Goose-Npa: iw ish i could get ffmpeg installed
[19:24:00] Kelerion: "Simply buy a Sim card for your bath and text it from your mobile. It will automatically fill up at 38 degrees centigrade"
[19:24:00] _willcooke_: Kelerion, COOOOOOL!
[19:24:00] Kelerion: "And if you get delayed, it will sense that you have not got in, and that the temperature has dropped, so will drain to a certain level then fill up again to 38 degrees. "
[19:24:00] _willcooke_: There's an automated home show at the NEC in April I think
[19:24:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: "it all"
[19:25:00] Beirdo: you do the setup of sources, etc
[19:25:00] Juski: Kelerion: all very well & good but I bet it'd cost me more than my car did
[19:25:00] Beirdo: you don't need the channel editor
[19:25:00] Beirdo: then quit setup
[19:25:00] Beirdo: do the filldatabase
[19:25:00] Beirdo: THEN go back in and edit channels if you need to
[19:26:00] Kelerion: probably.. lol
[19:26:00] Juski: oh for fux sakes.. " At the top of the Victory steam cabinet range are models with innovative features such as the Starry Sky – tiny little fibre optics built into the roof for the ultimate in sensory relaxation"
[19:27:00] Kelerion: kelkoo says: tada!! £1400!
[19:27:00] _willcooke_: Ooof!
[19:27:00] ** Juski has just realised a new use for that fibre optic xmas tree **
[19:27:00] _willcooke_: Oh, sold our house btw!
[19:27:00] Juski: _willcooke_: cool.. minted now?
[19:27:00] Ediehow: ah, yay
[19:28:00] praet: mikael: i meant to play the stream like this: # mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0
[19:28:00] _willcooke_: Juski, Not too bad, made 50k in 3 years! But the new house will soon make that disappear
[19:28:00] Ediehow: man, it still won't change channels in myth
[19:28:00] Goose-Npa: hmm ffmpeg doesn't have a xvid configure flag, is it built in now?
[19:28:00] Juski: £1400 for a BATH? I'm hoping the whole bathroom will come to 1/3 of that
[19:28:00] Ediehow: using ivtv 4.1 and 2.6.15
[19:28:00] Ediehow: but if i type ivtv-tune -c 42 it turns
[19:29:00] Juski: Ediehow: do you have guide data for all the channels?
[19:29:00] Beirdo: did you restart the backend after running setup?
[19:30:00] Ediehow: how do you mean "guide data"
[19:30:00] Ediehow: ok, it works now
[19:30:00] Ediehow: thx
[19:30:00] praet: Ediehow: the program guide
[19:30:00] Juski: bada bing
[19:31:00] Ediehow: i wonder if i am the only one who has .4.1 and 2.6.15 working right:) apparently it's causing lots of problems
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[19:31:00] Goose-Npa: well?
[19:31:00] Beirdo: and of course, you'll disappear now that you've figured it out, and not help others with the same issues :)
[19:31:00] Ediehow: Goose-Npa: well what?
[19:31:00] Goose-Npa: ffmpeg doesn't have a xvid configure flag, is it built in now?
[19:32:00] Ediehow: i wonder if i can use mythburn now
[19:32:00] _willcooke_: Juski, has that dvb radio thing made it in to svn, or would I still need to patch?
[19:32:00] Juski: _willcooke_ you still need to patch
[19:32:00] Juski: to get it into SVN will take some lobbying
[19:32:00] ** _willcooke_ will wait **
[19:32:00] Juski: til 0.20?
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[19:33:00] _willcooke_: Hmmm maybe not! I tend to make svn every day, so I'd either need to stick to an svn version, or patch every time
[19:33:00] Juski: my spare box is stuck on 'teachers TV'... I need to delete the channel coz this svn version isn't too good with off-air channels I think
[19:33:00] Ediehow: hey Goose-Npa i think i may have mythburn working
[19:34:00] Goose-Npa: cool
[19:34:00] Goose-Npa: what'd you have to do ?
[19:34:00] _willcooke_: Oh, MythTV has won "Coolest OSS of 2005"
[19:34:00] Ediehow: i ran that one script i found
[19:34:00] Juski: unless Teachers TV is on air now
[19:34:00] _willcooke_: on LUGradio
[19:34:00] Ediehow: Goose-Npa: do you have mythtv working correctly now?
[19:34:00] Goose-Npa: Ediehow: yes
[19:34:00] Goose-Npa: mythtv works fine
[19:34:00] Ediehow: that link you pointed me to
[19:35:00] Ediehow: run that script, and it will tell what is up
[19:35:00] Goose-Npa: i thought you were getting errors, and had to install project x or something
[19:35:00] Ediehow: oh, i fixed that
[19:36:00] Goose-Npa: is it hard to install?
[19:36:00] Ediehow: do you have a working java installation?
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[19:36:00] _willcooke_: bbl, dog walking and dinner
[19:36:00] Ediehow: Juski: you there?
[19:37:00] Goose-Npa: 1. Export to XviD (disabled)
[19:37:00] Goose-Npa: i reinstlaled ffmpeg
[19:37:00] Goose-Npa: but nuvexport still says that
[19:37:00] Goose-Npa: and ffmpeg doesn't have a xvid flag
[19:37:00] Goose-Npa: or at least it isn't listed in the documentation
[19:38:00] Ediehow: does ffmpeg compile?
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[19:38:00] Juski: Ediehow: I'm here
[19:38:00] Ediehow: was i talking to you about my multitasking performance issues?
[19:38:00] Juski: yep
[19:38:00] Juski: among others
[19:38:00] Ediehow: i can't figure it out. i made a games knoppix dvd which has hardware acceleration
[19:38:00] Ediehow: and i still have the same problem
[19:39:00] Ediehow: like, i was watching an .mpg and if i min or max during that period, it juts the video
[19:39:00] Juski: Ediehow: you're running nvidia?
[19:40:00] Ediehow: yeah, i had had an ati card, and i thought it might be that
[19:40:00] Ediehow: but nooooooooo
[19:40:00] Juski: one more idea for you to try... with the newest drivers & openglsync enabled, CPU usage is way higher than it should be, so try disabling "open gl sync to vblank"
[19:41:00] Ediehow: like, right now, i have mythtv playing in 2nd monitor, and in first monitor, i am talking to you and running firefox, if i min xchat right now, it will jut video during that time
[19:41:00] Ediehow: and when i restored it
[19:41:00] Juski: what about if you run the video on the monitor & apps on the TV?
[19:41:00] Ediehow: two monitors:)
[19:41:00] Ediehow: 19fp/15fp
[19:42:00] Ediehow: well, when i booted off games knoppix dvd, i was watching an mpg and had apps running in first monitor
[19:42:00] Ediehow: and when i minimized an app, and the same thing happened
[19:42:00] Ediehow: so it's not my installation of fc4.
[19:42:00] Ediehow: and it doesn't have that problem in XP, so i cannot figure out why it's doing it in linux
[19:43:00] Ediehow: i was thinking of trying to find a bios update to see if that would fix it, but i was told linux doesn't use bios much
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[19:44:00] Ediehow: wow, mythburn looks very neat
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[19:46:00] Ediehow: sheesh, when i change the tab i am in in firefox, it juts the video/audio in mythtv
[19:47:00] Ediehow: i just can't figure out what it is
[19:48:00] Goose-Npa: Ediehow: so you got it working?
[19:50:00] Ediehow: apparently so
[19:51:00] Goose-Npa: how long does it take to convert?
[19:52:00] Ediehow: i've only messed with the UI as of yet
[19:52:00] Ediehow: i didn't tell it to burn
[19:52:00] Ediehow: hold on
[19:53:00] Ediehow: haha, i'm dumb
[19:53:00] Ediehow: you have to put mythburn in a certain dir
[19:53:00] Ediehow: install.sh doesn't actually copy files
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[19:53:00] Goose-Npa: ARGG!! i cant get xvid with ffmpeg
[19:57:00] Ediehow: err woops
[19:58:00] Ediehow: Goose-Npa: where do you get the files for mythburn again?
[19:58:00] Juski: xvid is just mpeg4 in a crappy windows container isnt it though?
[19:59:00] laga: xvid is just mpeg4 in whatever container
[20:00:00] Ediehow: Goose-Npa: you there?
[20:00:00] Goose-Npa: hmm
[20:01:00] Goose-Npa: http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/m . . . t2005.tar.gz
[20:01:00] Ediehow: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythburn
[20:01:00] Ediehow: there
[20:07:00] Ediehow: ok, installed
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[20:08:00] Ediehow: i guess deleting contents of /tmp/ while some things are running is a bad idea
[20:12:00] Goose-Npa: sigh i cant get either divx or xvid workin in nuvexport
[20:12:00] Ediehow: did you get latest nuvexport?
[20:12:00] Goose-Npa: yep
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[20:13:00] Goose-Npa: so mythburn is up and running?
[20:13:00] Ediehow: apparently
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[20:16:00] Juski: anyone have any tips for getting xvmc working on ubuntu? it's installed but erm.. not working.. I've tried searching for documentation on the subject – all I've found is something about needing an XvMCConfig file in /etc/X11 – all very unclear
[20:17:00] Goose-Npa: heh i give up
[20:17:00] Ediehow: Juski:
[20:17:00] Ediehow: nvidia?
[20:18:00] Juski: yep
[20:18:00] Ediehow: that file tells it what nvidia xvmc file to use
[20:18:00] Juski: right...
[20:18:00] Ediehow: which is probably in /usr/X11R6/lib
[20:18:00] Juski: so what should that file have in it, seen as I don't have one?
[20:19:00] Juski: aha!
[20:19:00] Ediehow: oh
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[20:19:00] Ediehow: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[20:20:00] Juski: where did you find that bit of information?
[20:20:00] Ediehow: it's in my file
[20:20:00] Juski: I've been googling on ubuntu xvmc nvidia for ages
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[20:20:00] Ediehow: Name  : libXvMCW Relocations: (not relocatable)
[20:20:00] Ediehow: Version  : 0.9.3 Vendor: Freshrpms.net
[20:20:00] Ediehow: Release  : 1.2.fc4
[20:20:00] Ediehow: that's what rpm had it
[20:21:00] Ediehow: does linux still have problems with irq conflicts with latest kernels, or is that a thing of the past?
[20:21:00] Goose-Npa: what directory do you have to put mythburn in
[20:21:00] Ediehow: i put mine in /usr/local/mythburn
[20:22:00] Goose-Npa: how long does take to trancode to xvid for say a 30 minute show
[20:22:00] kormoc: Ediehow, it still can, aye
[20:22:00] Ediehow: kormoc: how do i determine if that's what is going on?
[20:23:00] kormoc: Ediehow, might want to disable local apic module, as well as acpi and see if that helps or not
[20:23:00] Ediehow: so
[20:23:00] Ediehow: nolapic pci=noacpi/
[20:23:00] Ediehow: ?
[20:23:00] Ediehow: ralph neays is REALLY strange looking
[20:23:00] kormoc: noapic pci=noacpi
[20:23:00] kormoc: iirc
[20:23:00] Ediehow: there's a nolapic
[20:24:00] Ediehow: not sure if that's the same
[20:24:00] Juski: hmm where's mythtv looking for the xvmc config file?
[20:24:00] Ediehow: Juski:
[20:24:00] kormoc: you might want to do both
[20:24:00] Ediehow: ensure you can play it with mplayer first
[20:24:00] Juski: or will I have to restart X after changing that file?
[20:25:00] Ediehow: grep xvmc /var/log/X.log.0
[20:25:00] Ediehow: or whatever the file is called
[20:25:00] Ediehow: there's some command you can run to see if xvmc is loaded
[20:25:00] Ediehow: not glxinfo
[20:25:00] Ediehow: but something like that
[20:25:00] kormoc: svinfo
[20:25:00] kormoc: *xvinfo
[20:25:00] Ediehow: yessir
[20:25:00] Ediehow: wait, that's not it
[20:26:00] Ediehow: there's another one that lists a bunch of things
[20:26:00] Ediehow: i read about it on a forum
[20:26:00] D-side: xpdyinfo or something?
[20:27:00] Ediehow: that may be it
[20:27:00] Ediehow: it has single lines of tons of functions available
[20:27:00] Juski: nope
[20:27:00] Ediehow: what are the perms you have on /tmp/?
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[20:28:00] Ediehow: chmod 755?
[20:28:00] Juski: nah
[20:28:00] Juski: 777 here
[20:28:00] Ediehow: 777?
[20:28:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[20:28:00] Ediehow: root.root?
[20:29:00] Juski: yep
[20:29:00] Beirdo: 1777 would be smarter
[20:29:00] Ediehow: mine must have gotten changed
[20:31:00] Juski: xdpyinfo
[20:31:00] Juski: no xvmc listed there
[20:32:00] Ediehow: it's not that either
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[20:35:00] Juski: hang on a sec.. I've got a /usr/X11R6/modules/extensions directory... glx, dri & stuff are in there... should the xvmc I need be there too?
[20:35:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I got myth to compile with xvmc (on umbongo you need the xvmc nvidia dev package), but when I try and use it it crashes X, so I've given up
[20:37:00] Juski: ahh
[20:38:00] Juski: would xvmc work with a geforce2 card anyway? can't remember now – it's all gone fuzzy
[20:39:00] ** Juski dips his toe into #ubuntu **
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[20:41:00] D-side: it should.
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[20:43:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I've got libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 and libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1 in /usr/X11R6/lib
[20:44:00] _willcooke_: which both point at libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.7667
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[20:46:00] |V\oNK: hello is ther ea .deb for mythtv? im hoping i can apt-get it.. any luck?
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[20:46:00] _willcooke_: apt-cache search mythtv
[20:47:00] |V\oNK: ty
[20:47:00] D-side: has it hit the mainstream mirrors?
[20:47:00] _willcooke_: oh, good point, Ubuntu has one, so you could use that!
[20:47:00] D-side: not for sarge it hasnt.
[20:47:00] |V\oNK: im not getting anything
[20:47:00] |V\oNK: crap
[20:48:00] _willcooke_: Might be a long shot, but you could add the ubuntu repos
[20:48:00] kados: hi everyone ... looking for some advice ... I just purchased a Samsung LN-R408D wide-screen LCD television (40") ... I've got a linux box with an ATI 9100 card and I'm trying to get xorg going
[20:48:00] D-side: _willcooke_: ubuntu has it in its mainstream repos?
[20:48:00] |V\oNK: can i just change sources.list to get it from testing
[20:48:00] _willcooke_: It's certainly in either universe or multiverse.
[20:48:00] D-side: interesting.
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[20:49:00] kados: the tv has hdmi and I've got a hdmi->dvi cable ... my linux box has dvi out
[20:49:00] _willcooke_: but to be honest, you might as well compile from svn
[20:49:00] kados: I basically chose this tv because it had picture in picture ... I could still take it back and get another if anyone has suggestions for tvs that work well under linux
[20:50:00] kados: the resolution seems very strange to me ... 1366 x 768 @ 60Hz
[20:50:00] kados: I'm wondering if there are any tvs out there with standard resolutions like 1024x768 or even 1280x1024 ... I'm not even sure what would be ideal
[20:51:00] |V\oNK: why not just get a 2x" crt
[20:52:00] kados: basically, I want a 40" tv/monitor/cable/satelite/dtv LCD
[20:52:00] |V\oNK: use your crt + speakers for all your media
[20:52:00] praet: kados: can you get anything on the tv yet?
[20:52:00] kados: praet: well ... it works fine with the dvd player and with the one dtv station I get :-)
[20:52:00] kados: praet: and when I boot up my box in text-mode it works
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[20:53:00] kados: praet: when I start X I get an error on the tv: mode not supported
[20:53:00] praet: kados: does bios come up in color?
[20:53:00] kados: praet: yep
[20:53:00] Juski: heh. I thought ctrl alt backspace was supposed to restart X
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[20:53:00] praet: kados: what card/driver do you have and how do you have it configured
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[20:54:00] kados: praet: thing is, I'm not at all attached to this tv ... just bought it to play around with ... I have about a month to return it
[20:54:00] Juski: rebootski
[20:54:00] kados: praet: it's an ATI 9100 ... I manually configured xorg.conf
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[20:54:00] praet: kados: i would match up the tv out settings to the tv (ntsc, supported res)
[20:54:00] kados: praet: yea, tried that
[20:55:00] Juski: _willcooke_: I have the same in that directory
[20:55:00] praet: what does the rel. parts of xorg look like
[20:55:00] Juski: only for 7174
[20:55:00] kados: praet: what tv do you have?
[20:55:00] kados: praet: (out of curiosity)
[20:56:00] kados: praet: (or what would you recommend? :-))
[20:56:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I've noticed ctrl-alt-backspace doesnt work too! So, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart instead
[20:56:00] praet: kados: i am using a tube tv :)
[20:56:00] kados: hehe
[20:56:00] praet: havent moved to lcd yet
[20:56:00] kados: ahh
[20:56:00] Juski: sod that sudo lark. I'm fool enough to log in as root
[20:56:00] kados: well ... better refresh rates and all that right?
[20:56:00] _willcooke_: Good work!
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[20:57:00] Juski: it's like asking if you're sure you wanna delete that file – you just get used to saying 'yep'
[20:57:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I just chmod a+s /usr/local/myth* :)
[20:57:00] D-side: i wonder if i should give ubuntu a shot
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[20:57:00] Juski: sudo blow my nose
[20:57:00] kados: I've also got a hd-3000 card (bought it last year to avoid broadcast flag but haven't put it to use yet)
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[20:57:00] dtm: sudo take me awayyyyy!!
[20:57:00] D-side: Juski: thats why i'm wondering, instead of having done so
[20:58:00] ** _willcooke_ sudo's bash **
[20:58:00] kados: asside from the obvious use as hdtv recorder, can the hd-3000 be used for cable/satelite at all?
[20:58:00] kados: or do I need a reciever and descrambler :-)
[20:58:00] praet: kados: see pm
[20:58:00] Juski: here goes nowt.. again
[20:59:00] Umaro: hey guys.. having an odd problem.. I can only connect to my TV with RCA, but my nvidia geforce4 only has svideo out. I bought a RCA<->svideo converter from radio shack. Now it works ok in X, but it no longer displays anything to the TV on bootup
[21:00:00] ** kados tries it **
[21:00:00] Juski: "could not open shared library 'libXv.so1.0' " – so it's not even looking for the nvidia one..
[21:00:00] GreyFoxx: kados: Cable maybe, but I don't believe it will do dvbs
[21:00:00] _willcooke_: Umaro, thats normal
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[21:00:00] praet: Umaro: what happens when you plug in the tv and reboot?
[21:00:00] kados: GreyFoxx: I'm looking at the Al7bar .tk FTA Satellite Television Community
[21:01:00] kados: GreyFoxx: wondering whether any software has been written for FTA stuff with the hd-3000
[21:01:00] Umaro: praet: how do you mean?
[21:01:00] Umaro: _willcooke_: :(
[21:01:00] Juski: Umaro: can depend very much on your TV.. sometimes the BIOS screen comes out in the default video mode of the card's TV out
[21:01:00] praet: Umaro: with no monitor connected, the gef4 should display your bios screen when you boot up
[21:01:00] Umaro: right, and it does on my other TV
[21:01:00] Umaro: with svideo
[21:01:00] GreyFoxx: kados: well, all ATSC which the hd3k is intended for is FTA(or almost all of it). I don't believe it will handle dvb-s at all
[21:02:00] Umaro: but the rca<->svideo adapter is messing it up, somehow
[21:02:00] praet: Umaro: do you mean it works after x has loaded up?
[21:02:00] kados: GreyFoxx: dvb-s?
[21:03:00] Umaro: praet: yes
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: kados: Satellite
[21:03:00] Umaro: praet: but before that, nothing on the TV
[21:03:00] kados: GreyFoxx: sorry, new to this stuff
[21:03:00] kados: GreyFoxx: ahh
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: Digital Video Broadcast – Sattelite
[21:03:00] GreyFoxx: -t = Terrestrial -c = cable
[21:03:00] Umaro: I really should just buy a PVR350. hmm.
[21:03:00] praet: Umaro: its probably (as Juski pointed out) that your default tv out from the nvidia card is not supported on that particular tv
[21:03:00] kados: GreyFoxx: thx
[21:04:00] praet: Umaro: what are you trying to do in particular?
[21:04:00] Juski: Umaro: how old is the TV?
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: kados: If you are ulling FTA stuff then a cheap Twinhan or Skystar dvb-s card would do the trick
[21:05:00] GreyFoxx: cheap budget cards
[21:05:00] Umaro: ok, actually.. let me re-explain. I can only connect as RCA to my TV, because I am connecting through a stereo system, and it won't bridge between s-video and rca
[21:05:00] Juski: I wouldn't worry about not being able to see the BIOS screen on TV anyway
[21:05:00] Juski: Umaro: you're missing the point
[21:05:00] kados: GreyFoxx: thanks ... I'll take a look at them
[21:05:00] Juski: the TV can't display the video mode your graphics card's TV out defaults to at boot time
[21:06:00] Umaro: Juski: but it does with svideo
[21:06:00] Umaro: my TV has an svideo connector, but I can't use it due to the stereo circumstances
[21:06:00] Umaro: however, I have used it before, to test
[21:06:00] Juski: ahhh
[21:06:00] Juski: maybe the stereo is the problem then
[21:07:00] Ediehow: who is spit2k1?
[21:07:00] Juski: home theatre receiver.. doing the video switching...
[21:07:00] Umaro: doing the video switching? in what fashion?
[21:07:00] Umaro: my receiver won't switch from SVIDEO to RCA
[21:07:00] Umaro: I have a little converter from radioshack
[21:07:00] Umaro: about the size of a tootsie roll
[21:08:00] Juski: why is mythtv looking for libXv.so1.0 ? and how do I tell it to look for the right one?
[21:08:00] praet: Umaro: why do you need to show pre-x stuff anyways?
[21:09:00] _willcooke_: Juski, isn't Xv different to XvMC?
[21:09:00] Umaro: praet: just a small annoyance
[21:10:00] Juski: _willcooke_: yep, but that doesnt answer my question ;)
[21:10:00] praet: Umaro: heh :) Why cant you run audio to the stereo and s-video to teh tv?
[21:11:00] _willcooke_: Juski, but you want it to use xvmc right?
[21:11:00] Umaro: praet: because I have other devices I need to connect to the stereo with RCA
[21:11:00] Juski: "could not open XconfigDir".. blah blah blah
[21:11:00] Umaro: also, my TV ignores the RCA inputs if the svideo is connected, instead of trying to figure out which one has signal
[21:12:00] Juski: have I missed something at compile time?
[21:12:00] Umaro: oh well, i'll just have to deal
[21:12:00] Cardoe: Umaro: lots of TVs do that
[21:12:00] Cardoe: Umaro: mine does
[21:12:00] _willcooke_: Juski, at compile?
[21:12:00] Umaro: maybe I should get a PVR350.
[21:13:00] kados: praet: so ... in that xorg.conf he has DotCloct, HTimings, Vtimings, and Flags ... any idea how I'm supposed to know what those should be?
[21:13:00] Juski: Umaro: you'll have the same problem with a 350.. no video out til X comes up
[21:13:00] Umaro: is the PVR350 worth it, rather than the 150 or 250 and just getting a better TV-out?
[21:13:00] Umaro: Juski: oic
[21:13:00] kados: praet: I'm guessing 960x540p means the resolution
[21:13:00] Umaro: Juski: yeah, but i've given up on that now
[21:14:00] Juski: PVR350 isn't worth it IMHO
[21:14:00] Juski: not now
[21:14:00] Juski: maybe it was when TV outputs on GFX cards were so bad.. but they've improved a lot
[21:15:00] D-side: esp. if you're going to play back non-myth related videos
[21:15:00] D-side: Umaro: if you would pay for a 350, get a 500 instead.
[21:15:00] Juski: _willcooke_.. right then.. so if mythtv can't find Xv or XvMC.. I'm sort of stuck
[21:16:00] Umaro: Juski: I should get a new GFX with that XvMC or whatever, though? I don't think mine has it
[21:16:00] Umaro: it's a gf4 mx 440
[21:16:00] Juski: yeah it'll support xvmc, that one
[21:17:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I'm just looking at the configure script
[21:17:00] GreyFoxx: Umaro: Why bother with xvmc at all ? Are you low on CPU in that box ?
[21:17:00] Juski: I need xvmc cos the EIT parser is stealing all my CPU cycles
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: I've been banging away on that for the last couple days :)
[21:18:00] ** _willcooke_ 's cpu has a moped **
[21:18:00] Juski: bring de-ding ding...
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[21:18:00] newdebusr: I've heard that the Matrox G400 dual head has excellent tv-out and it supported but I can't get it working... They are like $15 on ebay so it would be nice if these would work... A pvr-150 $60 and a G400 together would be a lot cheaper than the pvr-350
[21:18:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: How many channels are available on your input, and how many do you actually have ?
[21:19:00] Umaro: GreyFoxx: it's a XP1800
[21:19:00] Umaro: the G400.. that was a good card.
[21:19:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: have about 15 channels I think
[21:19:00] GreyFoxx: Umaro: That wouldn't need XVMC unless you are decoding HDTV
[21:20:00] Juski: and I have about 30 channels available
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: Ok
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[21:20:00] Juski: it's molesting my 800Mhz athlon
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: Well with the current code it would be blasting your database , and wasting cycles as it's processing ALL of the EIT info, even for channels you don't want
[21:20:00] Umaro: ok guys, in the SVN version of the mythtv db schema, mythconverg.recorded has a "basename" column, but mythtv 0.18–2 doesn't. what's the equivalent, or is there one?
[21:20:00] GreyFoxx: Umaro: There isn't one
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: The new naming convention and so on came in in late Aug/Sept
[21:22:00] Umaro: GreyFoxx: basename holds the filename of the recording, though
[21:22:00] Umaro: how else does the DB keep track of it?
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: It's calculated based on the channel, starttime, etc etc
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: It was never actually stored
[21:22:00] Umaro: oic
[21:22:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I've bodged the configure to force it to use the nvidia xvmc, and I'm just running a compile now....
[21:22:00] GreyFoxx: now it's stored and you can rename a file and just update basename
[21:23:00] GreyFoxx: and now mpeg recordings have .mpg in the filename, previously they all had .nuv regardless of format
[21:23:00] jasta: in mythmusic, if i try to change the rating of a song, it stops playback.
[21:23:00] jasta: what's that all about?
[21:23:00] Juski: _willcooke_: what did you change?
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: mythmusic is a sad sad beast that gets no love
[21:24:00] jasta: im starting to get that impression.
[21:24:00] jasta: i use my myth box almost exclusively for music.
[21:24:00] Juski: I think enough people care about it to bring it back up to speed though
[21:24:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Then those people should start sending in patches
[21:25:00] Juski: been some talk of building it in hasn't there?
[21:25:00] Umaro: I know it goes against various ideals and what not, but does anyone have .debs of fairly recent mythtv SVN?
[21:25:00] jasta: i wanted to create a mod for mythmusic that would provide a jukebox-like interface with album artwork and stuff.
[21:25:00] Juski: jasta: you can already have album artwork & such things
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[21:26:00] jasta: Umaro: it doesn't "go against" ideals, it goes against sensibility.
[21:26:00] Juski: jasta: and by reworking the theme you can make the album artwork display a lot bigger
[21:27:00] jasta: hmm, really?
[21:27:00] Juski: change the size & position of its 'blackhole'
[21:27:00] Juski: as far as I know you can
[21:27:00] ** GreyFoxx tries to remember the last time he launched mythmusic **
[21:28:00] Juski: then just use the 'albumart' visualisation
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I've copied all the nvidia xvmc libs to /usr/lib, (libXvMCNVIDIA.a
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.7667
[21:28:00] _willcooke_: ) and then edited configure and changed VENDOR_XVMC_LIBS= in "if has_library libXvMCW" to "-lXvMCNVIDIA"
[21:28:00] Juski: cheers, Will :)
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[21:30:00] D-side: i havent used mythmusic (or a mythtv frontend) since i started using xbmc
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[21:31:00] _willcooke_: Juski, my configure http://pastebin.ca/35759
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[21:32:00] Juski: thanks again
[21:32:00] _willcooke_: hmm, hold on that doesnt look right
[21:33:00] _willcooke_: no, no, thats fine, I've just never read the first 3 lines before!
[21:33:00] jasta: sat
[21:33:00] jasta: hmm, mischan.
[21:34:00] Juski: lol
[21:35:00] Juski: wtf? ffmpeg config script?
[21:35:00] _willcooke_: :) ?????
[21:36:00] Juski: so.. where do that file gonnaliveth?
[21:36:00] Juski: config.mak?
[21:36:00] Juski: duh
[21:36:00] _willcooke_: unchanged
[21:36:00] Juski: forget that
[21:36:00] _willcooke_: :)
[21:37:00] Juski: oh fuck
[21:37:00] _willcooke_: ?
[21:37:00] Juski: it's got control characters in it
[21:38:00] _willcooke_: Arse.
[21:38:00] Juski: np
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[21:38:00] Juski: I'll wget it
[21:38:00] _willcooke_: It's not very different from the actual one, I think I might have changed the "xvmc" bits to enable, or yes or whatever
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[21:38:00] _willcooke_: and then this.....
[21:39:00] kados: praet: well ... tried that xorg.conf still get 'mode not supported' with the television
[21:39:00] _willcooke_: Juski, VENDOR_XVMC_LIBS="-lXvMCNVIDIA"
[21:39:00] _willcooke_: on line 2054
[21:41:00] Juski: jees.. this is how bad things are here.. playing back a radio channel.. so very little in the way of video & it's still breaking up
[21:42:00] _willcooke_: Juski, with that patch? How does mplayer handle it?
[21:43:00] Juski: dunno
[21:43:00] Juski: I expect it works just fine
[21:43:00] Juski: just like the internal player does when livetv isn't going
[21:43:00] _willcooke_: I hope that they actually make radio work properly, rather than by faking video frames. Fair play to the bloke that wrote the script and all that, but I would like to see it included "properly".
[21:43:00] Ediehow: Juski: no fix:(
[21:43:00] Ediehow: nolapic noacpi pci=noacpi
[21:43:00] _willcooke_: s/script/patch
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[21:44:00] Juski: _willcooke_ it'd have to be done like that without making another bunch of mods
[21:44:00] Juski: like you'd have to flag a recording as 'radio'
[21:44:00] Juski: then have a seperate player for it
[21:44:00] _willcooke_: Ah, yes I guess it would mean a big arsed re-write
[21:45:00] _willcooke_: I wonder if theres an easy way to mark a recording device as "busy", then I could just cron a dvbstream
[21:45:00] _willcooke_: and not worry about myth trying to use the card for other things
[21:45:00] Ediehow: this is ridiculous
[21:45:00] Juski: gonna get some program info now & try a test recording to see how big 'not much bigger' means
[21:46:00] Ediehow: any multitasking is chopping mythtv
[21:46:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, do you have dma enabled for disks
[21:46:00] Ediehow: yes:(
[21:46:00] _willcooke_: :(
[21:46:00] Ediehow: using_dma = 1 (on)
[21:46:00] Juski: Ediehow: there's only one thing for it then.. get another PC, go back to windows or give up on multitasking
[21:46:00] Juski: ok so that's 3 things
[21:47:00] Ediehow: someone told me to try 2.4.x kernel
[21:47:00] Ediehow: to see what happens then
[21:47:00] Juski: what?!
[21:47:00] _willcooke_: nahhhhh
[21:47:00] Ediehow: to see if it's a kernel issue
[21:48:00] Juski: how am I gonna convert this file from 'DOS' format text? have a feeling this'll have something to do with sed or awk
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[21:48:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, sorry I've missed most of what your problem is, what's the spec of your machine
[21:48:00] Ediehow: 2ghz athlon 768mb ddr nvidia 6200
[21:48:00] _willcooke_: Juski, there's a dos2unix or unix2dos
[21:48:00] _willcooke_: Juski, called something else..... hold on......
[21:49:00] Juski: mtools
[21:49:00] _willcooke_: thats the fella
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[21:50:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, Blimes! That should fly
[21:50:00] Ediehow: i know:(
[21:50:00] Juski: just gonna webmin these channels to useonairguide
[21:50:00] quicksilver: juski: perl -wpi.bak -e 's/\r/\n/g;' <filename>
[21:50:00] Ediehow: any multitasking really during mythtv play and totem chucks video
[21:50:00] Juski: unless someone can proffer an SQL command
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[21:50:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, your frontend and backend on the same machine
[21:50:00] Goose-Npa: heh
[21:50:00] Ediehow: yes
[21:50:00] Goose-Npa: this windows converter is dope
[21:50:00] Ediehow: but it does the same thing for things like totem, dvd player
[21:51:00] Goose-Npa: wish linux would make stuff this easy
[21:51:00] Goose-Npa: it converts mpeg2 to divx in about 30 minutes
[21:51:00] Juski: quicksilver: cheers muchly!
[21:51:00] sri: man.. this is so lame.
[21:51:00] Juski: Goose-Npa: bet it looks like shit when it comes out tho
[21:51:00] sri: I got my mythtv box all set up
[21:51:00] Goose-Npa: Juski: nope
[21:51:00] sri: and I was going to set it up in the kitchen
[21:52:00] sri: and then.. it happened.. design flaw
[21:52:00] sri: I neglected to see if my monitor would fit on top of the cabinets.
[21:52:00] sri: *sigh*
[21:52:00] Juski: Goose-Npa: what util is that?
[21:52:00] Goose-Npa: xmpeg
[21:52:00] ** sri feels disapointed. **
[21:52:00] marieli: hi
[21:52:00] Ediehow: is it possible that even though DMA is on, that it's not really, err on?
[21:52:00] Ediehow: /dev/hda:
[21:52:00] Ediehow: Timing buffer-cache reads: 780 MB in 2.00 seconds = 389.47 MB/sec
[21:52:00] Ediehow: Timing buffered disk reads: 140 MB in 3.04 seconds = 46.12 MB/sec
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[21:53:00] Juski: bah that's goosed the configure file anyway...
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[21:53:00] ** Juski scrolls up **
[21:53:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, hmmmmm, not too bad
[21:53:00] _willcooke_: Timing cached reads: 2772 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1385.52 MB/sec
[21:53:00] stuarta: ediehow: some older drives were blacklisted since their DMA was crap
[21:53:00] _willcooke_: But thats sata
[21:54:00] Ediehow: mythtv seems to usually be below 20%
[21:54:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, maybe you need a chipset driver?
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[21:54:00] Ediehow: _willcooke_: how do you mena?
[21:54:00] Ediehow: mean?
[21:54:00] Ediehow: it's a via km266 MB
[21:54:00] _willcooke_: hmmmm, bells ring.... via, dma, hmmmmm.
[21:55:00] Juski: heheh... is that one of the chipsets where SATA steals bandwidth from everything else?
[21:55:00] Ediehow: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266] Host Bridge
[21:55:00] Ediehow: 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP]
[21:55:00] Ediehow: i mean i even booted off games knoppix
[21:55:00] Juski: might just be something as 'simple' as a bus latency issue
[21:55:00] quicksilver: erm 1.3G/sec is not sata
[21:55:00] Ediehow: and was watching something in kaffeine
[21:55:00] quicksilver: that's cached
[21:55:00] Ediehow: and i min or max an app
[21:56:00] Ediehow: it at juts it
[21:56:00] quicksilver: 46M/sec could easily be the max for your disk
[21:56:00] quicksilver: what kind of disk is it?
[21:56:00] quicksilver: what rpm? what size?
[21:56:00] Ediehow: quicksilver: i am assuming 7200
[21:56:00] Ediehow: i am pretty sure
[21:56:00] Ediehow: 60gb
[21:56:00] quicksilver: SATA theoretical max is 150 or 300 but no HD is capable of that
[21:56:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/490856
[21:56:00] quicksilver: Ediehow: well it should be faster but 46MB/sec is not slow
[21:57:00] Juski: I'd go with the SATA controller hogging the bus, now I know there's sata involved
[21:57:00] quicksilver: if your DMA wasn't working you'd be way off
[21:57:00] quicksilver: if your DMA wasn't working you'd be down at 2M/sec or worse
[21:57:00] Ediehow: it's just funky multitasking stuff
[21:57:00] _willcooke_: Juski, I dont think he's sata
[21:57:00] quicksilver: _willcooke_: it really doesn't matter
[21:57:00] quicksilver: ATA133 is still faster
[21:57:00] Ediehow: i switched to wireframe moving of windows
[21:57:00] quicksilver: faster than any HD is capable of
[21:57:00] Ediehow: and now, when i move a window and it shows wire
[21:58:00] Ediehow: the video completely stops
[21:58:00] quicksilver: that's probably your WM being stupid? and seizing exclusive graphics card control to draw the wireframe?
[21:58:00] quicksilver: I would guess
[21:58:00] _willcooke_: erm, yeah me too!  ;)
[21:59:00] Ediehow: but it does it in game knoppix and fc4 right now
[21:59:00] Ediehow: i mean
[21:59:00] Ediehow: i can't even change a tab in firefox without it jutting
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[22:00:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, what video card?
[22:00:00] quicksilver: well juttering is different from completely stopping
[22:00:00] quicksilver: completely stopping sounds like a WM being stupid
[22:00:00] Ediehow: now it's an nvidia 6200
[22:00:00] quicksilver: juttering sounds like interrupts not being serviced fast enough
[22:00:00] Ediehow: but it did it on my radeon 9600se too
[22:00:00] quicksilver: or the graphics card drivers not doing overlay properly
[22:00:00] quicksilver: or seomthing like that
[22:01:00] kados: so ... anyone here using a >=40" LCD wide-screen television? I just bought a Samsung and having a hell of a time getting xorg started
[22:01:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, is "Plug&Play OS" on or off in your bios? That's caused me problems before
[22:01:00] Ediehow: it's off
[22:01:00] Ediehow: should i turn it on?
[22:01:00] kados: still plenty of time to take the samsung back if anyone has advice for what tv works well under linux
[22:01:00] _willcooke_: Dunno? It works for me being "on"
[22:01:00] Ediehow: well i heard it was supposed to be off for linux
[22:02:00] kados: my xorg.conf looks mostly like this one: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/xorg.conf-HD.txt
[22:02:00] Ediehow: this just drives me nuts
[22:02:00] Ediehow: i can't figure out what the problem is
[22:02:00] kados: except I've got an ATI Raedon 9100 video card
[22:02:00] _willcooke_: Ediehow, how is it under windows?
[22:02:00] Ediehow: no problems:(
[22:02:00] _willcooke_: Grrr! :(
[22:02:00] Ediehow: i just can't figure out what is wrong
[22:03:00] Ediehow: is there some IRQ conflict?
[22:03:00] quicksilver: Ediehow: that might cause juttering video
[22:03:00] Ediehow: how do i see if that
[22:03:00] Ediehow: is what it is?
[22:03:00] quicksilver: there is some /proc/interrupts or somewhere in proc anyway
[22:03:00] quicksilver: you can see if two things have the same number, I think
[22:03:00] ** quicksilver is slightly out of his depth there **
[22:05:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/490874
[22:05:00] Ediehow: there are my irqs
[22:05:00] Ediehow: wow, rtc is using it's own irq
[22:06:00] ** _willcooke_ is waaaay out **
[22:06:00] _willcooke_: of his depth that is
[22:06:00] Ediehow: you guys get any ideas from that?
[22:06:00] Juski: hang on.. sblive sharing the same IRQ as the video card?
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[22:06:00] Ediehow: audigy
[22:06:00] Juski: worse
[22:06:00] Ediehow: apparently so
[22:06:00] _willcooke_: gotta go, wife time.
[22:07:00] Ediehow: bye will
[22:07:00] Ediehow: thx again
[22:07:00] Juski: seeya will
[22:07:00] quicksilver: I would say that could be your problem, yes
[22:07:00] Ediehow: what do i do?
[22:07:00] _willcooke_: laters, Ediehow – I'll be bored at work tomorrow, I'll google for your problem!
[22:07:00] _willcooke_: ttfn
[22:07:00] Ediehow: cya
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[22:07:00] Ediehow: i can move soundcard to irq 8, huh?
[22:08:00] quicksilver: I think rtc needs its own
[22:08:00] Ediehow: kj
[22:08:00] Ediehow: k
[22:08:00] quicksilver: lemme check my box
[22:08:00] Ediehow: k
[22:08:00] kados: so does anyone actually use their linux box to actually _view_ things on a large TV? or are you guys mainly using mythtv for recording purposes?
[22:08:00] kados: if so, what large LCD tvs do folks recommend?
[22:08:00] quicksilver: kados: I just have a boring old 20-something " crt
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[22:09:00] kados: right
[22:09:00] quicksilver: Ediehow: ooh my /proc/interrupts is so much prettier than yours
[22:09:00] quicksilver: what kernel version you have?
[22:09:00] Ediehow: 2.6.15
[22:09:00] quicksilver: I have interrupts going up to 217 yours only go up to 15
[22:09:00] quicksilver: I have no idea why that would be
[22:09:00] Ediehow: what do i do?
[22:10:00] kormoc: 217?
[22:10:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:10:00] Ediehow: Juski: ideas?
[22:10:00] quicksilver: http://pastebin.com/490882
[22:10:00] quicksilver: just for you to compare with
[22:10:00] kormoc: quantum, what version are you using and what platform?
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[22:11:00] quicksilver: kormoc: did you mean me?
[22:12:00] Ginsu_Squirrel: so myth refuses to recognize my remote... irexec works fine, but irxevent also refuses to work... in debug mode it shows that its supposed to be sending keyprses... but it doesn't... does anyone know whats up?
[22:13:00] Juski: Ediehow: probably turn on PnP OS in yer BIOS.. see if that helps
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[22:14:00] kormoc: quicksilver, yeah, I ment you
[22:15:00] Ediehow: ok
[22:15:00] Ediehow: brb
[22:15:00] Ediehow: i was told not to do that for linux for whatever reason
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[22:16:00] quicksilver: kormoc: Linux champagne 2.6.14-2-k7 #2 Fri Dec 9 10:30:30 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:16:00] quicksilver: kormoc: debian standard kernel, with CVS versions of dvb/v4l
[22:17:00] kormoc: quicksilver, what platform? PPC?
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[22:18:00] Mobleman: Can some of you recommend a Video capture device?
[22:18:00] quicksilver: kormoc: no, x86
[22:18:00] kormoc: Mobleman, pvr 150
[22:18:00] kormoc: quicksilver, uhh...
[22:18:00] quicksilver: kormoc: hence the i686 in the kernel ingo :)
[22:19:00] quicksilver: well actually it's AMD64
[22:19:00] quicksilver: but it's running a 32-bit kernel
[22:20:00] kormoc: ahh, that'd be why
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[22:20:00] Ediehow: Juski: irqs stayed same
[22:21:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/490894
[22:21:00] quicksilver: kormoc: i have funny interrupts because it's amd64? even with a 32bit kernel?
[22:21:00] Ediehow: so how can i fix my irq conflict?
[22:22:00] kormoc: quicksilver, yeah, your hardware layout is much different. Most x86s only use upto irq 20 for hardware
[22:22:00] kormoc: Ediehow, move cards around in the case
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[22:22:00] quicksilver: kormoc: ah live and learn thanks
[22:22:00] Ediehow: i can't do it via software?
[22:22:00] kormoc: Ediehow, not without doing a lot of research and all that
[22:23:00] Ediehow: let's see
[22:23:00] Ediehow: the agp video card is next to sound card
[22:23:00] Ediehow: then empty slot, then WINTV
[22:24:00] laga: you shouldn't put a card next to the agp slot, leave it empty
[22:24:00] Ediehow: ok
[22:24:00] Ediehow: so do wintv,audigy2,empty,agp?
[22:24:00] kormoc: yeah
[22:25:00] Ediehow: ok, brb
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[22:25:00] quicksilver: in most cases you can't put a card next to agp?
[22:25:00] quicksilver: because they ould crash into each other?
[22:25:00] quicksilver: you can't in mine, I'm sure
[22:26:00] Juski: coz they generally share interrupts / address lines
[22:26:00] Juski: should be physically impossible
[22:26:00] kormoc: depends on the card
[22:26:00] kormoc: 6200/5200/g4 mx*** would likely be able to
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[22:27:00] Juski: adjacent slots tend to share IRQ channels
[22:28:00] quicksilver: I find agp cards 'face' down and PCI cards 'face' up
[22:28:00] quicksilver: so their metal endplate clash
[22:28:00] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:28:00] quicksilver: if you use the adjacent slot
[22:28:00] TylerGalus: hello all.. i'm back with my silly newb questions.. today's is how can i make mythtv automatically transcode my recordings?
[22:28:00] kormoc: I've found them all to be face down
[22:28:00] Juski: I really hope the audigy is causing this
[22:28:00] Juski: TylerGalus: same answer as always.. RTFM
[22:29:00] TylerGalus: such nice helpfull people /sarcasm off.... must remember to go to the gentoo forums for help...
[22:29:00] kormoc: TylerGalus, in this case, it's true
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[22:30:00] Juski: in cases where the mythtv docs don't cover the question I answer it if I can
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[22:45:00] mfgalizia: Can someone verify that the current release does _not_ have an internal DVD player?
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[22:46:00] Ediehow: Juski:
[22:46:00] Ediehow: 2006-01–04 16:46:19.898 A/V diverged by 20.1676 frames, extending frame to keep audio in sync
[22:46:00] Ediehow: mythtv keeps doing that when it stutters when i multitask
[22:47:00] Ediehow: http://pastebin.com/490935
[22:47:00] Ediehow: i think that ERR thing means something
[22:47:00] kormoc: that would seem to indicate an sound card issue prehaps
[22:47:00] Ediehow: that link has my new proc/interrupts
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[22:50:00] Ediehow: kormoc:
[22:50:00] Ediehow: did you see my interrupts file/
[22:51:00] kormoc: yes
[22:51:00] kormoc: and there's nothing wrong with them
[22:51:00] kormoc: afaik
[22:52:00] Ediehow: 2006-01–04 16:52:10.008 WriteAudio: buffer underrun
[22:52:00] Ediehow: 2006-01–04 16:52:10.057 A/V diverged by -3.02032 frames, dropping frame to keep audio in sync
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[23:08:00] Ediehow: ah
[23:08:00] Ediehow: while mythtv is running
[23:08:00] Ediehow: i get a LOT More err: in /proc/interrupts
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[23:13:00] cosmo_: can anyone point me to a simple winmyth troubleshooting faq? Im not finding anything useful in google
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[23:14:00] kormoc: cosmo_, winmyth likely won't work with anything newer then 0.17 iirc
[23:15:00] cosmo_: oh, I thought it just wouldn't work with anything older than .18?
[23:15:00] Ediehow: kormoc: i get errors galore while mythtv is playing
[23:15:00] Ediehow: ERR: 6315
[23:15:00] kormoc: cosmo_, I seem to recall that the last time it was updated was for .17
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[23:17:00] Goose-Npa: hello
[23:17:00] cosmo_: well, it seems to be a little imature anyways.....does anyone watch recordings in windows using any method? Ive found the guide that uses the clever mythtweb/samba hack, but I havent tried it yet
[23:17:00] mikael: is there any way I can watch the video feed directly, without the viewer app trying to tune? I tried mplayer /dev/video0, but mplayer just says EOF
[23:17:00] kormoc: cosmo_, winmyth is dead, there is no active development on it anymore
[23:18:00] Ediehow: kormoc: how come?
[23:18:00] cosmo_: kormoc, now that I didn't know
[23:18:00] kormoc: cosmo_, a bunch of people use the make pretty script of xris' and samba to just do that
[23:18:00] kormoc: Ediehow, the authors lost interest
[23:18:00] cosmo_: does xris have a site where I can find said script?
[23:19:00] Goose-Npa: cosmo_: i just open up my recording in windows media player
[23:19:00] cosmo_: Goose-Npa, over samba?
[23:19:00] Goose-Npa: yes
[23:19:00] kormoc: cosmo_, I'm sure he does somewhere
[23:19:00] Goose-Npa: what do you need a script for?
[23:20:00] cosmo_: well, kormoc mentioned a script, whats it do kormoc?
[23:20:00] kormoc: it symlinks the recordings into pretty names, like show – epsode.mpg
[23:20:00] Goose-Npa: oh yea
[23:20:00] Goose-Npa: i use that
[23:20:00] Goose-Npa: mythlink.pl
[23:20:00] Beirdo: mythbeer.pl :)
[23:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:21:00] ** laga hands a cold one to beirdo **
[23:21:00] Beirdo: thanks
[23:21:00] Beirdo: oh GOD our politicians are retards
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[23:22:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: canada?
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[23:22:00] Beirdo: GreyFoxx, you buyin the shite they are handing out as erection...er election promises this time out?
[23:22:00] cosmo_: okay, I'll take a look at that one, sweet
[23:22:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: which party will win now?
[23:22:00] Ediehow: after no conf vote
[23:23:00] Beirdo: who knows
[23:23:00] Beirdo: they are all a bunch of tards
[23:23:00] Ediehow: not a martin fan?
[23:23:00] Beirdo: even though it's 100% against my political beliefs, I kinda hope the NDP wins a minority
[23:23:00] Beirdo: Martin's a lying crook
[23:24:00] Ediehow: martin is NDP
[23:24:00] Ediehow: ?
[23:24:00] Beirdo: no
[23:24:00] Ediehow: libs?
[23:24:00] Beirdo: he's Liberal
[23:24:00] Ediehow: not supporting the conservatives, huh?:)
[23:24:00] Beirdo: sure I am
[23:24:00] Beirdo: but they won't win
[23:24:00] Beirdo: Harper's a fuckin nut
[23:25:00] Beirdo: so I want Jack Layton to win... with a minority
[23:25:00] Beirdo: so he has to compromise with the Libs or the Conservatives :)
[23:25:00] Ediehow: i thought the libs were possibly going to win again
[23:26:00] Beirdo: anything's possible
[23:26:00] Beirdo: Let's all vote Marijuana Party
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[23:26:00] ** laga hands beirdo the bong **
[23:26:00] Beirdo: that'd piss Bush off real good
[23:26:00] Ediehow: so you guys are more concerned with ticking off bush than having a government you support?:)
[23:27:00] kormoc: of course
[23:27:00] Beirdo: jeez, no matter who wins, they are all lying shits
[23:27:00] Beirdo: so yeah, let's stick it to BUsh
[23:27:00] Ediehow: i thought i heard something about a split w/french there
[23:27:00] Ediehow: or something
[23:28:00] Ediehow: secession or something?
[23:28:00] Beirdo: some tards in Quebec keep asking for referendums so they can leave Canada
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[23:28:00] Beirdo: they'd be so screwed if they did
[23:28:00] Ediehow: your population is like 20 mil, huh?
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[23:29:00] Beirdo: 35Mil
[23:29:00] Beirdo: about 1/10 of the US
[23:29:00] Ediehow: i think we don't even have 300mil
[23:29:00] Ediehow: i thought it was 290 something
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[23:29:00] Beirdo: the numbers vary
[23:29:00] Beirdo: we are roughly 10% the population of the US
[23:29:00] Ediehow: i never knew that till i looked at pop figures
[23:30:00] Ediehow: mainly because the size of the country in relation to ours
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[23:30:00] Beirdo: Just like Austria and Germany
[23:30:00] Beirdo: :)
[23:30:00] Ediehow: do you know anything about proc/interrupts?
[23:30:00] Beirdo: not really
[23:30:00] Ediehow: ERR: 10646
[23:30:00] Ediehow: keeps shooting up
[23:31:00] qupada: Beirdo: we have 4m people :\
[23:31:00] Ediehow: i think it may relate to my problem
[23:31:00] Beirdo: qupada, and how many sheep?
[23:31:00] Beirdo: sorry
[23:31:00] Beirdo: heh, been hanging around aussies too much
[23:32:00] qupada: 30-something million, but we aren't into that like aussies are
[23:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:32:00] Ediehow: ahmadinejad is awesome
[23:32:00] Ediehow: he must live on another planet
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[23:34:00] D-side: back.
[23:34:00] Beirdo: how's Jersey today?
[23:34:00] D-side: no better or worse than any other day I suppose.
[23:35:00] D-side: which can be either good or bad, depending on how you feel about it. :)
[23:35:00] Beirdo: cool ;)
[23:35:00] D-side: my new video card came with an svideo/component breakout box. i want to try it. :)
[23:35:00] Beirdo: neat
[23:37:00] Kabutor: anyone here have a ATI 9100 IGP and has DRI + Tvout working?
[23:37:00] Ediehow: ERR: 12413
[23:37:00] Ediehow: that is a lot of errors
[23:37:00] Ediehow: Beirdo:
[23:37:00] D-side: not really. i bought the card, got it home, and windows drivers told me "i'm clocking myself down to a near unusable rate because your power supply is a piece of shit"
[23:37:00] Ediehow: can you cat /proc/interrupts and give me your "err" #?
[23:37:00] D-side: so of course i went out and got a $130 550W psu. :)
[23:38:00] Beirdo: ERR: 69892
[23:38:00] Beirdo: so?
[23:38:00] Ediehow: hmm
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[23:52:00] mikael: okay, watching /dev/video0 with mplayer, I see that mythtv can't change channels at all. when I try it, the frontend's video stops, and it eventually shows a timeout error
[23:57:00] Ediehow: Beirdo: do you know anything bout the buffer error i mentioned, sir?
[23:57:00] Beirdo: nope
[23:57:00] dasOp: mikael: happens to me as well.. when the frontend eventually times out, backend crashes
[23:59:00] mikael: oh? bt878 card?

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