| Friday, December 30th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | ** _willcooke_ got an E! :) ** | |
| [00:00:00] | Juski: | 4 switchable channels & 4 that did 'chase' effects.. in 2 boxes.. one switching the mains & a hand held controller |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | u guys are electronics geniuses compared to me :P |
| [00:00:00] | Juski: | yeh but look at me now.. more into software than actual electronics |
| [00:00:00] | Beirdo: | I made a shortwave receiver that is CPU controlled |
| [00:00:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:00:00] | riksta: | Juski, me too |
| [00:00:00] | Beirdo: | in my spare time |
| [00:01:00] | riksta: | Juski, you got any OSS projects? |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | nah |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | I can't code yet |
| [00:01:00] | riksta: | Beirdo, you have too much spare time |
| [00:01:00] | _willcooke_: | I build a PWM speed controller for a robot wars thing that never happend, so I turned it in to a fireworks launcher. Much more fun |
| [00:01:00] | Beirdo: | with DSP algorithms in the CPU... |
| [00:01:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | I did a tiny patch for mythtv though |
| [00:01:00] | riksta: | Juski, spelling correction? ;) |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | not quite |
| [00:01:00] | Juski: | 'useonairguide' selection for dbox2 EPG grabbing |
| [00:02:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [00:02:00] | Juski: | it was just about clean enough to submit too by all accounts (not quite tho) |
| [00:02:00] | riksta: | only patches ive done for majors projects are for asterisk |
| [00:02:00] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
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| [00:02:00] | Juski: | my next thing _is_ gonna be that GUI setup doo-dah whatsit |
| [00:03:00] | riksta: | sounds technical |
| [00:03:00] | riksta: | *cough* |
| [00:03:00] | Juski: | its kinda running before I can walk, but it's the best way to learn, some say |
| [00:03:00] | riksta: | what does it so |
| [00:03:00] | riksta: | do |
| [00:03:00] | Juski: | riksta: you ever seen the XBMC GUI setup screen? |
| [00:03:00] | _willcooke_: | C is evil. Python is god's own language |
| [00:03:00] | riksta: | Juski, nope |
| [00:03:00] | Beirdo: | just finished emerging vim... |
| [00:04:00] | riksta: | Beirdo, you had a system WITHOUT vim? shame on you |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | in mythtv you set the limits & size of the GUI in those numeric fields, right... |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | no no no |
| [00:04:00] | riksta: | rm `which nano` |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | I did an emerge --sync last night |
| [00:04:00] | _willcooke_: | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | this was just an upgrade |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | what I wanna do is have some stuff onscreen that you move around with the remote |
| [00:04:00] | riksta: | ahh Beirdo i see, so oyu have a million packages to recompile |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | next victim... ethereal |
| [00:04:00] | riksta: | i love the way gentoo breaks everything when you update |
| [00:04:00] | Juski: | set top left corner... set bottom right... set subtitles position... |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | which brings along a pile of dependancies |
| [00:05:00] | sgentry6: | has anyone had any trouble with the lirc-0.8.0_pre1 ebuild? I am always getting a gentoo sanity error when it gets to the econf stage, but I can install this by hand just fine |
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| [00:05:00] | riksta: | like moving to gcc 3.4 or upgrading apache and they change the configs |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | I have never had anything break |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | sgentry6: lirc ebuilds never worked for me |
| [00:05:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, I was looking for something like that today, I need to move the "info" line up the screen a bit |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | I expect asterisk to fall over though |
| [00:05:00] | riksta: | Beirdo, moving to 1.2? |
| [00:05:00] | Juski: | what 'info' line? prolly in the theme.xml or ui.xml |
| [00:05:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | depends how complicated your configs are |
| [00:06:00] | sgentry6: | the 0.7.2 ebuild worked fine for me, but now that I am no the 2.6.14 sources it doesn't |
| [00:06:00] | Beirdo: | 1.0.9 -> 1.0.10 |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | ah |
| [00:06:00] | Beirdo: | and it bitches royally every time |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | my production is still on 1.0.9 |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | but its mission critical |
| [00:06:00] | riksta: | i have to set aside some time at 5am one morning to move to 1.2.1 |
| [00:06:00] | FunkyELF: | I've never had anything break |
| [00:06:00] | FunkyELF: | upgrading mysql is a pain in gentoo |
| [00:07:00] | riksta: | FunkyELF, that was a breeze compared to some other shit i have had |
| [00:07:00] | riksta: | FunkyELF, everyone has that not just gentoo users, when you migrate from a different minor version |
| [00:07:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, mysql is in the list |
| [00:07:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [00:07:00] | Beirdo: | 4.0.24 -> 4.1.x |
| [00:07:00] | AlienBaby: | im using an lirc cvs ebuild |
| [00:07:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_ which info line? |
| [00:07:00] | riksta: | Beirdo, just follow the howto, its easy |
| [00:08:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, the one that tells you what you're watching |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | I'll put it off until I'm ready |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:08:00] | riksta: | ya just mask later vns |
| [00:08:00] | AlienBaby: | works good |
| [00:08:00] | ** _willcooke_ sings "apt get apt get apt get" ** | |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | I always do upgrades cautiously :) |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:08:00] | Beirdo: | apt-get can bugger too |
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| [00:09:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_: try osd.xml in whatever OSD theme you use |
| [00:09:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, family arriving |
| [00:09:00] | laga: | Beirdo: i only had that happen on debian unstable boxen. and that seriously broke things ;) |
| [00:09:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, nice one, I'll take a look |
| [00:09:00] | sgentry6: | would anyone care to pastebin their /etc/init.d/lircd file for me? it would be greatly appreciated |
| [00:09:00] | Juski: | container name – program info |
| [00:10:00] | riksta: | sgentry6, if you are on gentoo you need a gentoo init script |
| [00:10:00] | Juski: | anyhow.. tis time for quitski.. night all |
| [00:10:00] | riksta: | cya |
| [00:10:00] | _willcooke_: | me too, laters |
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| [00:10:00] | sgentry6: | crap, i wasn't paying attention I am on the myth room and not the gentoo room |
| [00:11:00] | AlienBaby: | sgentry.. check your portage / lirc / files diectory |
| [00:11:00] | sgentry6: | im not able to emerge this version through portage though |
| [00:11:00] | sgentry6: | will it still be there |
| [00:12:00] | AlienBaby: | yes |
| [00:12:00] | sgentry6: | sure enough it was, thanks |
| [00:14:00] | sgentry6: | now comes the painful process of kde |
| [00:21:00] | FunkyELF: | how do I edit the post processing options of shows that I already have set to record |
| [00:23:00] | FunkyELF: | ...basically I'm asking where the screen is in mythfrontend which is equivilant to "recording schedules" in mythweb |
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| [00:29:00] | FunkyELF: | riksta, do you know of a user list for the myth2ipod script? |
| [00:30:00] | riksta: | no but post to the mythtv-users |
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| [00:32:00] | FunkyELF: | when I look at the transcoding options I only see rtjpeg and mpeg-4. What kind of mpeg-4 is it? I think I tried before and I wasn't able to play the videos on my Windows machine anymore |
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| [00:35:00] | FunkyELF: | I'm runing out of space on my machine because I don't have anything compressed....right now I can watch the .nuv files over samba on my windows machine because they are just mpegs from my pvr-500. |
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| [00:43:00] | tanq_: | hey if I have .vob files on a share can I watch them through myth? |
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| [00:50:00] | AlienBaby: | I'd like to know the answer to that myself. |
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| [00:55:00] | simcop2387: | tanq_: assuming there is no css involved yes |
| [00:55:00] | tanq_: | css? |
| [00:56:00] | simcop2387: | the dvd encryption stuff |
| [00:56:00] | tanq_: | oh no.. these are my home videos |
| [00:56:00] | tanq_: | i have a sony dvd cam.. |
| [00:56:00] | FunkyELF: | I can't get dvds to play on my linux set up |
| [00:56:00] | tanq_: | i just drag and drop the video_ts dir onto my sata drive |
| [00:56:00] | tanq_: | and wipe the disc and reuse it |
| [00:56:00] | simcop2387: | funkyelf, what happens when you try |
| [00:56:00] | tanq_: | quality hasn't degraded yet on the rw disk |
| [00:57:00] | FunkyELF: | simcop2387, it has been a while since I tried |
| [00:57:00] | simcop2387: | tanq afaik it should |
| [00:57:00] | simcop2387: | brb qpe-gaim is slow |
| [00:58:00] | FunkyELF: | wanna see something nice? http://68.204.165.215/eric/myth2ipod.jpg |
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| [00:59:00] | tanq_: | what is a podcast anyway. |
| [01:00:00] | tanq_: | i haven't even looked at that |
| [01:00:00] | tanq_: | and it has been out for a while |
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| [01:00:00] | FunkyELF: | tanq_, I think it was the word of the year |
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| [01:00:00] | FunkyELF: | tanq_, I think it is any audio or video that you download on the internet that isn't a movie or music |
| [01:01:00] | FunkyELF: | ...not sure, but like I said, it is word of the year and is being added to a dictionary |
| [01:01:00] | tanq_: | heh.. yeah... buzzwords.. sheesh |
| [01:01:00] | eiggirC: | mishehu: I figured out the problem with mythtv getting the wrong disk space |
| [01:01:00] | FunkyELF: | basically, from mythfrontend I can run a user job which transcodes a video for use on the ipod then it updates the rss feed for the podcast which I subscribe to from within iTunes |
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| [01:02:00] | tanq_: | are there many third party plugins? |
| [01:02:00] | eiggirC: | I had /raid/mythtv/recordings/ in mythtv-setup when it was returning the free disk space on the root partition, but it should have read /raid/mythtv/recordings and now it returns the free space on the raid volume |
| [01:02:00] | tanq_: | googles hasn't returned anything aside from the standard plugins |
| [01:02:00] | eiggirC: | so now its not expiring early |
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| [01:03:00] | FunkyELF: | ...so if I had my iPod set to autimatically sync, I could leave my iPod pluged into my windows machine and set something to record overnight and have that user job as a post-recording option. Then in the morning I can unplug my iPod and it'll already be on there |
| [01:03:00] | KaiForce: | is Zap2It having problems? I see in the channel log that NightMonkey mentioned something, and my listings are empty ... Mythfilldatabase seems to run correctly but nothing is updating. |
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| [01:09:00] | KaiForce: | or my DB is corrupt perhaps |
| [01:09:00] | KaiForce: | doh. |
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| [01:17:00] | emes: | is there a human-readable changelog from 0.18 to svn? |
| [01:17:00] | spiderworm: | hey all, i got mythtv to play a dvd, but how do i turn up the volume??? |
| [01:17:00] | spiderworm: | [ ] dont work.... |
| [01:17:00] | spiderworm: | they speed up and slowdown the dvd playback... |
| [01:19:00] | AlienBaby: | what does mythdvd use to play the DVD? |
| [01:19:00] | AlienBaby: | mplayer is 9 and 0 |
| [01:19:00] | spiderworm: | i ... donno... |
| [01:19:00] | spiderworm: | 9 and 0 worked, thanks.... |
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| [01:26:00] | KaiForce: | anyway to force a total update via mythfilldatabase? |
| [01:27:00] | unkle: | KaiForce > perhaps clearing your channel settings via mythtv-setup would do it (?) |
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| [01:27:00] | KaiForce: | unkle: i'll try that, thank you |
| [01:27:00] | unkle: | KaiForce :) |
| [01:28:00] | spiderworm: | whats the arts control applet called? |
| [01:29:00] | spiderworm: | oh, wrong channel, sorry :) |
| [01:35:00] | FunkyELF: | http://68.204.165.215/eric/perlHelp.jpg In the bolded font. Are those two different types of apostrophies or is that probably something that happened while this guy was making his pdf ? |
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| [01:38:00] | jcap: | for the PVR-150/500 do i pick MPEG-2 Encoder card (PVR-250, PVR-350) |
| [01:38:00] | jcap: | ? |
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| [01:39:00] | Zombie: | I have a question, and I'm curious about MythTV's DVD Authoring abilities. |
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| [01:40:00] | cwsmith: | ok quick quick question is there a place for howto on non backends ? |
| [01:41:00] | cwsmith: | i have been searching everywhere |
| [01:41:00] | cwsmith: | (google.com |
| [01:41:00] | cwsmith: | you name it i have tried it |
| [01:41:00] | cwsmith: | problem is my non backend machine keeps freezing when i try to do simplest of tasks |
| [01:41:00] | cwsmith: | like deleting recordings |
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| [01:42:00] | cwsmith: | or when i go to watch recorded programs |
| [01:42:00] | Kelerion: | anyone any links to pointers on setting spdif-in up under linux? |
| [01:42:00] | unkle: | cwsmith i dont know about that but have you checked the logs and dmesg and so on ? |
| [01:42:00] | cwsmith: | it lists the programs from main box but then freezes before i can play them |
| [01:42:00] | cwsmith: | ya :) |
| [01:43:00] | spiderworm: | can anybody help me with dvd sound? i have dvds through mythtv but even when i crank the volume all the way up i barely hear anything |
| [01:44:00] | spiderworm: | i opened up kmix and tried turning all channels all the way up but its still not working |
| [01:44:00] | unkle: | cwsmith when i installed mythtv i came across some forums discussing issues like that, try searching again is unfortunately the only advice i can give |
| [01:44:00] | Igg-man: | spiderworm: what are you using to set the volumne? |
| [01:44:00] | Igg-man: | Does anyone know who I can make the keys work when playing back files in mythvideo or mythdvd? |
| [01:44:00] | spiderworm: | Igg-man: kmix |
| [01:45:00] | Igg-man: | spiderworm: You did both the main volume and the pcm volume? |
| [01:45:00] | spiderworm: | Igg-man: yes.... volume is fine otherwise.... |
| [01:45:00] | Igg-man: | okay |
| [01:45:00] | Igg-man: | Did you try adjusting the volumne in mythtv? use '[' and ']' I think |
| [01:46:00] | spiderworm: | well when playing dvds in mythtv i have to use 9 and 0 |
| [01:46:00] | spiderworm: | but yeah, i bumped it all the way up... |
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| [01:46:00] | Igg-man: | wait.. can you pause in a video? |
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| [01:47:00] | spiderworm: | pause? what do you mean? |
| [01:47:00] | spiderworm: | pause the dvd playback? sure |
| [01:47:00] | spiderworm: | p key |
| [01:47:00] | Igg-man: | it doesn't seem to let me do any keystrokes |
| [01:47:00] | Igg-man: | I have to kill X to get out of mythvideo |
| [01:47:00] | spiderworm: | you have to choose optical disc |
| [01:47:00] | Igg-man: | or rather, I can just kill mplayer |
| [01:47:00] | Igg-man: | I'm confused |
| [01:48:00] | Igg-man: | optical disc? |
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| [01:48:00] | spiderworm: | yeah i have optical disc on my first mythtv screen |
| [01:48:00] | Igg-man: | yah, I do too.. but when I play them, I can't use any keys |
| [01:49:00] | Igg-man: | the video goes, but the keystrokes are not being passed to mplayer |
| [01:49:00] | Igg-man: | Does your video playback use mplayer? |
| [01:49:00] | spiderworm: | hmmm |
| [01:49:00] | spiderworm: | yeah |
| [01:49:00] | AlienBaby: | mplayer adjusts PCM volume |
| [01:49:00] | spiderworm: | it does |
| [01:49:00] | deigo: | I've got a hauppauge 350 using the ivtvdev as the framebuffer and the nvidia drivers, how can I underscale slightly so I don't lose the edges of my dvr tv/x session on my tv |
| [01:49:00] | blayne: | Igg-man, have you tried xine? |
| [01:49:00] | AlienBaby: | It leaves the Master alone. |
| [01:49:00] | Igg-man: | blayne: I have not, should I? |
| [01:49:00] | Igg-man: | does that work better? |
| [01:50:00] | AlienBaby: | look at alsamixer |
| [01:50:00] | blayne: | I fought mplayer for a few days, then switched to xine and found it much better when it comes to playing DVDs |
| [01:50:00] | cwsmith: | for the advice what search terms were you using :) |
| [01:50:00] | Igg-man: | the dvds seem to play just fine, its just that I can't do anything once it starts playing |
| [01:50:00] | deigo: | and additionally, some of the keys on the hauppauge remote are not doing what they are expected to do, but the keyboard shortcuts function and irw shows that the control IS sending the codes the the lircd is receiving the right codes, anyone have any ideas about how to go mucking about with the .lircrc file? |
| [01:51:00] | deigo: | or a good one premade for my control |
| [01:51:00] | AlienBaby: | I have a pvr 350 |
| [01:51:00] | blayne: | I can control xine with the keyboard. Don't have the remote working with it yet, but find the keyboard to be working fine for the moment. |
| [01:51:00] | AlienBaby: | and have been playing with the .lircrc for both mythtv and player |
| [01:51:00] | deigo: | AlienBaby: do all your hauppage remote buttons work as expected? (like guide,menu,etc) |
| [01:51:00] | deigo: | how far have you gotten? |
| [01:51:00] | AlienBaby: | mythtv expect the file to be .mythtv/lircrc |
| [01:51:00] | ** deigo nods ** | |
| [01:51:00] | deigo: | its there |
| [01:52:00] | AlienBaby: | mplayer expects it to be .lircrc in the home dir |
| [01:52:00] | ** deigo shrugs. ** | |
| [01:52:00] | cwsmith: | so anyone setup a non backend yet :) |
| [01:52:00] | deigo: | i have it in both places |
| [01:52:00] | deigo: | but i haven't used mplayer yet |
| [01:52:00] | deigo: | i haven't looped into my soundcard yet |
| [01:52:00] | deigo: | and x is bad with my haupuage out |
| [01:52:00] | AlienBaby: | the lircd.conf translates the IR code to a text readable code.. 'Power' |
| [01:53:00] | AlienBaby: | you then have lircrc translate the text readable code 'Power' into the apps own command ie: Enter Key |
| [01:53:00] | deigo: | yeah irw is a utility to see what the lircd is reporting as the button presses in real-time as you press buttons |
| [01:53:00] | KaiForce: | cwsmith: i have a media mvp running mvpmc |
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| [01:53:00] | deigo: | so i know what the text readable representations are |
| [01:54:00] | KaiForce: | dang, deleting all channels and re-running mythfilldatabase didn't fix my lack of listings |
| [01:54:00] | KaiForce: | but my channels were restored |
| [01:54:00] | deigo: | KaiForce: look at the url its using the wget and see if you are getting anything |
| [01:54:00] | blayne: | Anyone with a PVR-350 have trouble with audio/video sync when buffering live tv? |
| [01:54:00] | AlienBaby: | KaiForce.. you tied the listing to a Tuner in mythsetup? |
| [01:55:00] | deigo: | blayne: are you looping into the sound card or using the 350's rca's to go straight to your tv? |
| [01:55:00] | KaiForce: | deigo: mythfill seems like it connects ok. |
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| [01:55:00] | KaiForce: | AlienBaby: it was, I'll verify it still is |
| [01:55:00] | AlienBaby: | I've had all sorts of interesting things with my PVR 350's sound.. |
| [01:55:00] | blayne: | Currently going straight to the tv |
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| [01:56:00] | deigo: | KaiForce: it might not be a connection it, it might just be returning something unexpected, thats why I said to examine the file, have you checked that your datadirect service is actually giving you the right file by following the wget? |
| [01:56:00] | unkle: | deigo > would un-looping it fix the problem of bad sync ? |
| [01:56:00] | blayne: | After pausing, then restarting the stream, the audio is slightly ahead of the video, as though the frame buffering can't keep up. |
| [01:56:00] | deigo: | blayne: if you use the command top, what the cpu usage and memory usage look like? |
| [01:57:00] | deigo: | and are you getting any errors on the terminal uses to start mythfrontend complaining about the frame buffering? |
| [01:57:00] | AlienBaby: | Turn off all those extra Sound buffering features.. |
| [01:57:00] | AlienBaby: | Agressive Buffering etc.. |
| [01:57:00] | deigo: | unkle: it might fix it, but its a bad fix, although one im using currently, your sound card should be one that can handle receiving input and outputing it in real time. |
| [01:57:00] | unkle: | deigo ie full-duplex ? |
| [01:57:00] | blayne: | I'll check usage. By the way, the system has a sempron 2600+ and 512 MB RAM |
| [01:58:00] | blayne: | I haven't tended to fault the soundcard since it appears to be the sound that is ahead. Could be wrong. |
| [01:59:00] | deigo: | the problem is the provided (with the myth sources) lirc doesn't have listing's for the home or guide keys or menu etc. |
| [01:59:00] | unkle: | deigo, im using the loop because it lets me control the volume via the remote (and i cant get mp3 to play over the PVR's audio line-out) |
| [01:59:00] | deigo: | certainly shouldn't be the usuage then |
| [01:59:00] | deigo: | yeah |
| [01:59:00] | deigo: | i understand your pain |
| [01:59:00] | AlienBaby: | hold.. I'll post my Menu and Guide keys.. lircrc.. |
| [01:59:00] | deigo: | no dvd output through the pvr for me |
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| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | # Menu |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | begin |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | prog = mythtv |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | button = Menu/i |
| [02:00:00] | deigo: | no |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | repeat = 5 |
| [02:00:00] | deigo: | no scroll |
| [02:00:00] | deigo: | msg |
| [02:00:00] | deigo: | ! |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | config = i |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | end |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | |
| [02:00:00] | AlienBaby: | sorry.. |
| [02:01:00] | unkle: | deigo, exactly... what are your system specs ? (mine is a pvr350, SB-live 1024 running on P3 650Mhz and ½G RAM) |
| [02:01:00] | deigo: | i don't mind |
| [02:01:00] | deigo: | mines a 2200 athlon xp that my mainboard detects (and uses) as a 1500 with 512 ram |
| [02:01:00] | unkle: | deigo, hmmm you should have lots of power then ? ...is it onboard audio ? |
| [02:02:00] | AlienBaby: | deigo.. hdparm settings? |
| [02:03:00] | deigo: | ill have to apt-get it |
| [02:03:00] | deigo: | ive done no tuning and probably and prolly am using 33 mhz dma |
| [02:04:00] | deigo: | msg me the home and guide lirc portions please |
| [02:04:00] | deigo: | =) |
| [02:04:00] | ** deigo whines about his buttons. ** | |
| [02:04:00] | eiggirC: | whats this error mean? |
| [02:04:00] | eiggirC: | 2005-12–30 15:03:32.860 Waited too long for decoder to pause |
| [02:04:00] | eiggirC: | I just tried to play a recording and theres no picture/sound, but lots of network straffic to the backend |
| [02:05:00] | eiggirC: | theres a saved position on the file, and it has been transcoded already |
| [02:05:00] | Zombie: | I have a question, and I'm curious about MythTV's DVD Authoring abilities. |
| [02:05:00] | Zombie: | That is to say. will MythTV allow me to burn DVDs with the MythTV Interface on the DVD? |
| [02:06:00] | deigo: | im running it all as a lvm volume on a jfs parition btw, with root being a small ext3 parition |
| [02:06:00] | blayne: | deigo: I ran top while watching live tv and saw cpu at 99% idle. But memory only had around 50MB free. |
| [02:07:00] | deigo: | what about swap? |
| [02:07:00] | deigo: | are you sure your using the pvr's mpeg decoder? |
| [02:08:00] | blayne: | only 60k of swap used |
| [02:08:00] | deigo: | and are you perhaps using libmpeg in your conf? |
| [02:08:00] | KaiForce: | if he's at 99% idle watching live he's gotta be using a HW decoder |
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| [02:08:00] | deigo: | that says idle? |
| [02:08:00] | deigo: | left part of my screen misses a couple of letters |
| [02:09:00] | deigo: | i infered used |
| [02:09:00] | blayne: | Yes, cpu usage looked good. |
| [02:09:00] | unkle: | AlienBaby, do you remember the hdparm flag for checking which transer-mode the HD uses ? |
| [02:09:00] | blayne: | That would indicate I'm using the PVR-350's decoder, right? |
| [02:09:00] | AlienBaby: | My P3 400 sits at about 99% idle do live.. pvr 350 |
| [02:09:00] | KaiForce: | unkle try -i and -I |
| [02:09:00] | AlienBaby: | hdparm /dev/hda |
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| [02:09:00] | AlienBaby: | 32 bit? |
| [02:09:00] | AlienBaby: | dma ? |
| [02:10:00] | unkle: | KaiForce, tried -I ...it just showed me the supported transfer-modes... ill try -i |
| [02:10:00] | deigo: | blayne: yes |
| [02:10:00] | deigo: | yeah -I tells you what the drive will support from the drive, although what the drive reports may not always be true |
| [02:10:00] | deigo: | =) |
| [02:10:00] | unkle: | hmmm... hdparm just reads "using_dma = yes"... |
| [02:11:00] | unkle: | deigo, oh ! sounds a bit risky to me then ;) |
| [02:11:00] | blayne: | Is the memory usage a problem? |
| [02:11:00] | deigo: | im using udma5 with lba on apparently |
| [02:11:00] | deigo: | blayne: not at all, quite nice to not have to touch swap, well behaved even |
| [02:12:00] | blayne: | Well, that's nice to know. |
| [02:12:00] | unkle: | deigo, did you just do a trial-and-error when configuring that setup ? ..or is it perhaps a default for your system |
| [02:12:00] | deigo: | i didn't tune using hdparm at all, everything was configured by the debian install intially, then I tweaked and install my own 2.6.12 kernel |
| [02:13:00] | blayne: | Is "looping into the sound card" just going from the PVR card out to the sound card's line in, then from the sound card out to whatever? |
| [02:13:00] | deigo: | yes |
| [02:13:00] | unkle: | deigo, nice ! :) ...im not brave enough to try that ...yet |
| [02:13:00] | deigo: | aw |
| [02:13:00] | deigo: | its not so bad |
| [02:13:00] | unkle: | blayne, yes |
| [02:13:00] | AlienBaby: | using OSS or ALSA.. i have OSS disabled in the kernel.. |
| [02:14:00] | unkle: | deigo, no your probably right but id cry for a couple of days if i broke my mythbox ;) |
| [02:14:00] | blayne: | I am currently using OSS, and getting a message about it in the log. |
| [02:14:00] | blayne: | Mythfrontend uses obsolete OSS interface |
| [02:14:00] | deigo: | ive only got the alsa header files |
| [02:14:00] | deigo: | i included oss in the kernel though |
| [02:15:00] | deigo: | making it module seemed pointless |
| [02:15:00] | blayne: | I toyed with the notion of switching to the alsa driver, but I can't seem to update the driver without losing sound altogether. |
| [02:15:00] | blayne: | More than a little lost on ALSA. |
| [02:15:00] | deigo: | unkle: if you are using a disciplined os, you should be able to install the new kernel you build as a kernel package, and if anything goes wrong, boot to your old kernel and remove the package, I had to do it like 3 times, but its painless |
| [02:16:00] | AlienBaby: | playne.. I had to stop the alsasound service and do alsaconf |
| [02:16:00] | deigo: | i for example using make-kpkg then install that pkg and just remove it in my old kernel if the new kernel has problems |
| [02:16:00] | AlienBaby: | I'm on gentoo |
| [02:16:00] | blayne: | I have run alsaconf, but didn't stop the service. Maybe that was the prob. |
| [02:16:00] | AlienBaby: | deigo.. I can't do DCC |
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| [02:17:00] | deigo: | no |
| [02:17:00] | deigo: | how about |
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| [02:17:00] | deigo: | just joing #lircrc |
| [02:17:00] | deigo: | join |
| [02:18:00] | lucky: | hi. when i'm running mythtv-setup, i can't chose finish or cancel on any of the configuration pages. The button seems to depress but nothing happens and it won't save my changes. I'm running gentoo with mythtv 0.18.1-r1 |
| [02:19:00] | ** braniff had the same problem and can't remember how he fixed it... ** | |
| [02:20:00] | blayne: | deigo, do you run the X session output through the PVR-350 tv out? |
| [02:22:00] | lucky: | braniff: so it is fixable? |
| [02:22:00] | braniff: | oh yes it is... |
| [02:22:00] | ** braniff wracks his brain... ** | |
| [02:22:00] | braniff: | i found the answer in the mailing list archives somewhere |
| [02:23:00] | braniff: | back when i fixed it on my setup |
| [02:23:00] | blayne: | Anyone running X through a PVR-350, and getting the desktop to fit? |
| [02:24:00] | braniff: | lucky, isn't there some kind of error message ? |
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| [02:26:00] | bdina: | I need help with TV out and an ATI video card |
| [02:26:00] | lucky: | braniff: no |
| [02:27:00] | lucky: | braniff: i kind of worked around it, the mouse partially works |
| [02:27:00] | lucky: | braniff: thanks tho |
| [02:27:00] | braniff: | oh yeah, that's what i did — used the mouse |
| [02:27:00] | braniff: | cause the keyboard didn't work |
| [02:27:00] | astewart80: | im a newbee"Would it be good to have a really good graphics card", "Only If i was going to play games Correct" |
| [02:29:00] | astewart80: | any one plz |
| [02:29:00] | astewart80: | yes, no |
| [02:30:00] | AlienBaby: | playne.. Setup / Appearance / second screen over.. setup your X Y and Offsets.. |
| [02:30:00] | AlienBaby: | mine are 640 , 444, 40 and 13 |
| [02:30:00] | blayne: | astewart80: Most of what I've heard supports that notion, yes. Gaming and intense visualizations (OpenGL?) will demand a higher end video card, but viewing TV should not. |
| [02:31:00] | astewart80: | thx u |
| [02:31:00] | blayne: | Thanks AlienBaby. I did find those settings, and so at least the MythTV menus look good. But internet surfing is largely impractical because I have to scroll horizontally to see everything. |
| [02:32:00] | blayne: | So mythtv works, but all over X output is off the screen. |
| [02:32:00] | AlienBaby: | be nice if I could find xorg.conf settings to make X 640x480 of the ivtv-fb frame-buffer.. Anyone? |
| [02:34:00] | blayne: | Anytime I've tried to change that, the display goes crazy on me. |
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| [02:35:00] | blayne: | So yours does the same thing, AlienBaby? |
| [02:35:00] | AlienBaby: | perhaps there is a way to get a Windows manager to do this? restrict apps to a configured area of the desktop? |
| [02:35:00] | bdina: | Has anyone any experience with an ATI Radeon and TV out??? |
| [02:36:00] | AlienBaby: | I havn't done mythweb yet.. not look forward to that.. |
| [02:36:00] | blayne: | Mythweb wasn't bad. I just got it going. |
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| [02:36:00] | AlienBaby: | bdina, have you read the hardware sectionof the mythtv.org docs? |
| [02:37:00] | blayne: | Hardest part was trying to access it from outside, and not succeeding, only to later discover my ISP blocks inbound packets to port 80. |
| [02:37:00] | AlienBaby: | ahh.. my mistake.. I've done mythweb.. I was thinking mythbrowser |
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| [02:38:00] | blayne: | Ah |
| [02:38:00] | AlienBaby: | and I use OpenVPN... which rocks |
| [02:38:00] | ** tanq_ sighs ** | |
| [02:38:00] | tanq_: | each minute i spend tweaking myth makes it better and better |
| [02:38:00] | blayne: | Mythbrowser was easy too, except for finding the resolution is bad |
| [02:38:00] | jono: | anyone use the uk listings grabber? |
| [02:38:00] | jono: | when I run mythfilldatabase I get Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file |
| [02:38:00] | tanq_: | i still need to try this on my dlp tv via the pc in |
| [02:39:00] | tanq_: | i tried with dvi to hdmi but I can't control resolution on the tv from there |
| [02:39:00] | tanq_: | with pc in i can kind of control it |
| [02:39:00] | AlienBaby: | yes.. tweaking myth is good.. I've already integrated my Asterisk box for CID popups.. |
| [02:39:00] | tanq_: | err.. more like aspect ratio.. not resolution |
| [02:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | AlienBaby: Yeah, I find that quite handy |
| [02:40:00] | braniff: | AlienBaby, how hard is asterisk to set up these days ? |
| [02:40:00] | unkle: | deigo, im sorry for the delay, – ok, i might try looking for this make-kpkg. Im on a knoppmyth R5A26 |
| [02:40:00] | braniff: | compared to mythtv for instance |
| [02:40:00] | KaiForce: | hmmm, mythtv is passing a query to mysql that looks like: endtime > 20051229213750 and burping on it |
| [02:40:00] | AlienBaby: | I use asterisk@home.. asteriskathome.sourceforge.net |
| [02:41:00] | AlienBaby: | had to modify two lines of the extensions.conf for myth integration.. |
| [02:41:00] | KaiForce: | hey my brother just set up asterisk on colinux... it sounds really sweet |
| [02:41:00] | braniff: | yeah an asterisk distro...very nice! |
| [02:42:00] | AlienBaby: | check AAH.. sets up everything for you.. and I added shorewall to it , so it is my firewall as well.. |
| [02:43:00] | unkle: | jono, have you tried running the grabber "manually" ? |
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| [02:43:00] | jono: | unkle, no just as mythfilldatabase |
| [02:44:00] | tanq_: | yeah i've been looking into using asterisk for years now.. |
| [02:44:00] | unkle: | jono, perhaps you need to configure the script (im not an expert on this in any way) ...it worked for me running the tv_grab_xx script first |
| [02:45:00] | tanq_: | i never have though. but the last article i read in linux journals makes it sound like it has matured al ot |
| [02:45:00] | bdina: | AlienBaby: Yes, I have... my problem is with Xorg, ATi fglrx and overscan (from what I can tell anyway). |
| [02:48:00] | jono: | unkle, cheers |
| [02:48:00] | jcap: | so I've got everything setup again (just disassembled my current setup and moved some capture cards around) |
| [02:48:00] | jcap: | except now when I watch TV on my frontend, it segfaults |
| [02:49:00] | jcap: | a few seconds after the video comes on |
| [02:49:00] | jcap: | with no specific error |
| [02:50:00] | AlienBaby: | Asterisk rocks.. though my wife hates it.. echo from the phone company.. |
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| [02:56:00] | braniff: | echo? |
| [02:56:00] | kormoc: | eeecccchhhhhooooo.... |
| [02:58:00] | AlienBaby: | A normal phone line echo back at you about 30% volume of what your say. called sidetone. my phone system also adds sidetone.. they add up and sound like an echo.. |
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| [03:02:00] | KaiForce: | i want to drop my mythconverg db and recreate it – can anyone tell me the mysql commands to drop a db? |
| [03:02:00] | emes: | i'm getting jumpy playback on the client, though the network connection is fine (2.6MB/s), client is a G4.. any settings on the frontend i could change? |
| [03:03:00] | eiggirC: | KaiForce: drop mythconverg; |
| [03:03:00] | eiggirC: | its that simple |
| [03:03:00] | KaiForce: | sweet thank you eiggirC |
| [03:03:00] | bdina: | does anyone know if there could be a difference when using RGB vs S-Video out to a CRT TV?? |
| [03:03:00] | eiggirC: | emes: what speed G4? I saw somewhere that you need a 800 MHz G4 or better |
| [03:03:00] | bdina: | not just in resolution that is |
| [03:03:00] | emes: | eiggirC: 1.67ghz |
| [03:03:00] | darkdrgn2k: | hwos does MYTHFRONTEND output audio? |
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| [03:04:00] | darkdrgn2k: | i got 2 audio cards.. but no sound... |
| [03:04:00] | bdina: | I am having problems getting my ATI to output the entire screen on my Sony TV |
| [03:04:00] | darkdrgn2k: | audio, but no sound |
| [03:04:00] | eiggirC: | emes: thats not the problem then.... try wired ethernet |
| [03:04:00] | bdina: | I am currently using RGB, but I could use S-Video if I bought a cable |
| [03:05:00] | emes: | eiggirC: i can transfer a 1 hour show in 5 minutes over sftp, i can't see how the connection is a problem |
| [03:05:00] | eiggirC: | maybe the wireless device is CPU driven ? |
| [03:05:00] | AlienBaby: | darkdrgn, what TV card? |
| [03:05:00] | eiggirC: | emes: try a wired connection as a test |
| [03:05:00] | eiggirC: | emes: I saw a lot of pages about mythfrontend on osX |
| [03:06:00] | darkdrgn2k: | AlienBaby: the server is equiped witgh a PVR150 and front end works right on it.. but the settop has just frontend and no sound |
| [03:07:00] | darkdrgn2k: | the computer in quiesion has an ONBOARD ac97 and a Soud Blaster Platiunm LIVE 5.1 |
| [03:07:00] | AlienBaby: | it will use what you tell it.. Setup / General |
| [03:07:00] | darkdrgn2k: | 2 dsps (dsp and dsp1) in /dev |
| [03:07:00] | eiggirC: | darkdrgn2k: does anything else sound related work on the frontend box? |
| [03:07:00] | emes: | eiggirC: setting up a wired connection would be a pretty big pain, the router is a linux box with one ethernet port and a wireless card |
| [03:07:00] | AlienBaby: | I had to set mine to the real dev.. /dev/sound/dsp |
| [03:08:00] | darkdrgn2k: | eiggirC: whats a quick way to try |
| [03:08:00] | Nothingman: | hi, all |
| [03:08:00] | Nothingman: | I'm sure some of you have had experience with trying to access your Mythbox's music collection from another comp |
| [03:08:00] | AlienBaby: | emes.. do you see errors on the wireless card at either end.. ifconfig |
| [03:09:00] | Nothingman: | I'm getting really slow access to thoe songs through nfs and rhythmbox |
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| [03:10:00] | emes: | AlienBaby: no, i'm watching a copied nuv file and it plays back perfectly |
| [03:11:00] | emes: | 50% idle cpu |
| [03:12:00] | eiggirC: | darkdrgn2k: try mpg123 somefile.mp3 |
| [03:12:00] | Nothingman: | anyone here have success with accessing such a collection remotely? |
| [03:14:00] | AlienBaby: | darkdrgn .. tryed cat'ing a sound file to each of the two dsp's? an .au file for example |
| [03:16:00] | eiggirC: | emes: fair enough. I'm just suggesting something to eliminate the possibility |
| [03:16:00] | eiggirC: | emes: shame that mythfrontend can't play a local file |
| [03:16:00] | emes: | what it should really do is have a buffer on the frontend |
| [03:16:00] | emes: | eiggirC: you can play a .nuv with vlc |
| [03:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | what do you mean it can't play a local file ? |
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| [03:17:00] | eiggirC: | GreyFoxx: emes has a mac frontend, he's having jumpy playback over a wireless ethernet conenction. He can't easily test with a wired ethernet link |
| [03:18:00] | eiggirC: | GreyFoxx: its a G4 1.6 GHz so its not a CPU slow problem |
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| [03:19:00] | AlienBaby: | I thought the frontends streamed the file from the mythbackend.. ? |
| [03:19:00] | eiggirC: | GreyFoxx: trying to eliminate possible causes, by playing a file locally. I don't know of a way to load a locally stored file in mythfrontend. Playing the same file locally with another player won't test stuff. |
| [03:19:00] | eiggirC: | AlienBaby: yeah, exactly |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | So why can't it play one locally? Cause no file is on the box or what ? |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | eiggirC: mythtv file.nuv |
| [03:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | that will play it back with internal player |
| [03:19:00] | AlienBaby: | So the wireless is likely taking errors.. |
| [03:20:00] | Kelerion: | ooooh.. so close.. I have this working on the backend: "arecord -D hw:0,2 -fdat -d 5 > sample.wav" |
| [03:20:00] | AlienBaby: | spectrum congestion or some such.. |
| [03:20:00] | Kelerion: | hw:0,2 is the toslink of my cmedia card – now – how do I set that as the *default* recording device? |
| [03:21:00] | AlienBaby: | Greyfoxx , an 'ifconfig' the backend box would likely sort that out.. perhaps switching to another channel.. 1 6 11.. |
| [03:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | AlienBaby: You are talking to the wrong person :) |
| [03:23:00] | AlienBaby: | yes.. |
| [03:23:00] | AlienBaby: | too lazy to figure the correct one.. |
| [03:25:00] | eiggirC: | GreyFoxx: cheers for that |
| [03:26:00] | eiggirC: | emes: try what GreyFoxx suggested |
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| [03:29:00] | Kelerion: | we have any alsa experts here? lol |
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| [03:29:00] | Nothingman: | so *no one* here has tried to access their music from another machine? |
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| [03:31:00] | jcsmith_: | hi all, just wanted to say that thanks to much help from you all I got my mythtv working in a few hours last night/today |
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| [03:35:00] | jcsmith: | altho there is still much tweaking to do |
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| [03:43:00] | darkdrgn2k: | ok can some one help me |
| [03:43:00] | darkdrgn2k: | i get NO sound comming out from my sound card |
| [03:44:00] | darkdrgn2k: | alsamixer i truend every mute off and everytign to 9 |
| [03:44:00] | darkdrgn2k: | running an DIVX right now and no sound from the soudn card |
| [03:45:00] | Fitzsimmons: | cable plugged in? :P |
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| [03:45:00] | darkdrgn2k: | Fitzsimmons: yes tried every plug |
| [03:45:00] | Fitzsimmons: | has it ever worked? |
| [03:46:00] | darkdrgn2k: | Fitzsimmons: it was the cable :-P |
| [03:46:00] | Fitzsimmons: | haha |
| [03:47:00] | darkdrgn2k: | Fitzsimmons: broken cable |
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| [03:50:00] | redline-: | zzzzzzz file transfering sucks |
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| [03:56:00] | Kelerion: | hmm.. looks like those upgrades have started.. got disconnected |
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| [04:00:00] | KaiForce: | damn purged mythconverg and ran mythfilldatabase and it is still not populating crap |
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| [04:01:00] | sri: | Kelerion: btw permissions didn't help :( |
| [04:01:00] | sri: | Kelerion: I blame you for the failure as well. |
| [04:01:00] | ** sri turns away from Kelerion ** | |
| [04:02:00] | Kelerion: | well bugger.. there goes my good deed for the day then.. :P |
| [04:02:00] | sri: | Kelerion: hehe |
| [04:03:00] | ** sri also went back to 2.6.15 instead of 2.6.12 because sound was a problem. ** | |
| [04:03:00] | ** sri is unhappy ** | |
| [04:03:00] | ** sri drinks wine ** | |
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| [04:04:00] | Kelerion: | okies guys – hands up who knows anything at all (which will more more than I do!) about alsa? |
| [04:06:00] | Kelerion: | figures.. I think you need to be a phd in sound engineering to get yer head around this stuff |
| [04:07:00] | sri: | what do you want to knwo? |
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| [04:09:00] | ** sri still has to figure out why sound doesn't work on 0.4.1 ** | |
| [04:09:00] | Kelerion: | if I do this: "arecord -D hw:0,2 -fdat -d 5 > /video/sample.wav" on my backend.. it records 5 seconds of audio from my spdif socket.. if I play that on my frontend I hear it.. so I want to know how to set hw:0,2 to be the default input for myth |
| [04:09:00] | sri: | good question |
| [04:10:00] | sri: | I think mythtv uses oss right? |
| [04:10:00] | sri: | and thus probably /dev/dsp1? |
| [04:10:00] | Kelerion: | but you can't specify *anywhere* what the default input is.. I can't find it.. remember this is on a seperate backend |
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| [04:11:00] | sri: | Kelerion: yeah, thats true isnt it |
| [04:11:00] | sri: | Kelerion: nothing on google? |
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| [04:12:00] | Kelerion: | I've just thought of something.. mythtv uses oss and alsa.. I wonder if the version I get from apt has alsa enabled.. I'd presume it would have |
| [04:13:00] | darkdrgn2k: | is there a way to STREAM a myth tv channel over the internet? |
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| [04:18:00] | Kelerion: | nah.. that can't be it |
| [04:18:00] | AlienBaby: | nfs |
| [04:19:00] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx.. you still about? |
| [04:20:00] | AlienBaby: | theres a security camera app I used to use that would create a small mpg stream from a /dev/video dev.. |
| [04:20:00] | Nothingman: | has anyone here used an NFS mount for shared music? |
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| [04:20:00] | Kelerion: | Nothingman: yes.. once |
| [04:21:00] | sri: | bleah, don't use nfs. |
| [04:21:00] | sri: | too chatty, you need lots of bandwidth. |
| [04:21:00] | sri: | but it's probably work okay. |
| [04:21:00] | ** sri plans on trying iscsi when he gets a chance. ** | |
| [04:22:00] | AlienBaby: | I would think you would want to use something common.. samba, HTTP etc... |
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| [04:27:00] | Beirdo: | oh fun |
| [04:27:00] | Beirdo: | emerge gcc finally finished |
| [04:27:00] | Beirdo: | and they want me to re-emerge world |
| [04:27:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:28:00] | Beirdo: | I'm SOOO glad I chose gentoo for my asterisk box... |
| [04:28:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [04:38:00] | ** Beirdo looks around for a gentoo dev to kick an ass... where's Cardoe? ** | |
| [04:38:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | so it wants me to emerge -eav system ; emerge -eav world. |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | more like emerge -eat me |
| [04:39:00] | Kelerion: | Beirdo.. know anything about alsa? lol |
| [04:39:00] | Kelerion: | I'm pulling my hair out here |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [04:39:00] | Beirdo: | I avoid ALSA |
| [04:40:00] | Kelerion: | I'm close to saying "sod it! I'll stick with stereo instead of surround" |
| [04:40:00] | Cardoe: | wha? |
| [04:40:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, mornin', what's up? |
| [04:41:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: always have -D in there |
| [04:41:00] | kormoc: | alsa is really nice when it works |
| [04:41:00] | Cardoe: | makes life easier |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [04:41:00] | darkdrgn2k: | any one ever get the RM900 ir working? |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not up to compiling the whole machine again |
| [04:41:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: what's the problem |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | why is this such a problem? |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | oh, just upgraded gcc 3.3 -> 3.4 |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | without meaning to |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:42:00] | kormoc: | CanadaBoy, and why did we both come on irc at the same time? |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | but I will |
| [04:42:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, so don't change the gcc profile, and nothing changes |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | stick with the same profile and you're ok |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | I'd rather be using 3.4 |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | so switch to the right profile |
| [04:42:00] | Cardoe: | and you're ok |
| [04:42:00] | kormoc: | ahh, you don't need a full rebuild |
| [04:42:00] | Beirdo: | which means a recompile of some shit |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | some yes. |
| [04:43:00] | kormoc: | which it can handle automatically |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | a couple of c++ components which aren't properly handled by the compat layer |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | and it's all automatic |
| [04:43:00] | kormoc: | revdev-rebuild is your friend, emerge gentoolkit if you don't have it |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | gcc-config -l |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | run that command |
| [04:43:00] | Cardoe: | that's -L (lowercase) |
| [04:44:00] | Beirdo: | doing a revdep-rebuild run right now |
| [04:44:00] | Beirdo: | with -p |
| [04:44:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: revdep-rebuild -pv |
| [04:44:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: emerge -auDv world |
| [04:44:00] | Cardoe: | that's how you should run updates. |
| [04:44:00] | Beirdo: | aye |
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| [04:45:00] | Beirdo: | the emerge world is the part that annoys me as there are parts I want to do individually |
| [04:45:00] | Beirdo: | like mysql |
| [04:45:00] | Beirdo: | and asterisk |
| [04:45:00] | Cardoe: | you wanna hand compile them? |
| [04:45:00] | Beirdo: | gcc-config i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4 |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | why not just tweak the ECONF settings how you want it. |
| [04:46:00] | Beirdo: | gah, wrong paste |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: gcc-config #NUM FROM [] |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: then run |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: env-update |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: source /etc/profile |
| [04:46:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, in all fairness, I do wish a bunch of packages had a vanilla useflag to disable most (all?) gentoo specific patches. |
| [04:46:00] | Beirdo: | did that |
| [04:46:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: how many packages have gentoo specific patches? |
| [04:47:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, nvidia drivers tend to a lot, which have caused many a issue in the past |
| [04:47:00] | Beirdo: | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "=dev-db/mysql-4.0.24". |
| [04:47:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:47:00] | Beirdo: | wunderbar |
| [04:47:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: nvidia drivers? |
| [04:47:00] | Beirdo: | I'll run the emerge of mysql now |
| [04:47:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [04:47:00] | Cardoe: | more like to make them work |
| [04:47:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: first make sure your bintools are ok |
| [04:48:00] | Cardoe: | I really never have problems with emerges like this |
| [04:48:00] | Beirdo: | it will compile fine |
| [04:48:00] | Cardoe: | usually source code probs |
| [04:48:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, there have been 'patches' that have killed vertex shaders in cedega |
| [04:48:00] | Beirdo: | I redid the revdep-rebuild with --package-names |
| [04:48:00] | Beirdo: | let's try that |
| [04:48:00] | Cardoe: | I need to nag Chutt some more for some commit access |
| [04:49:00] | Beirdo: | gah, screw YOU, Gentoo, emerging mysql as is |
| [04:49:00] | Beirdo: | which bintools? you mean the package? |
| [04:49:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, revdep will never upgrade a package, it's to help protect currently installed packages |
| [04:50:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:50:00] | Beirdo: | makes sense |
| [04:50:00] | Beirdo: | OK, mysql, you are next |
| [04:51:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [04:51:00] | Cardoe: | so this guy is bitching that I add all this nasty "if kernel 2.6 else if kernel 2.4 fi" cruft to the ivtv ebuild. |
| [04:52:00] | Cardoe: | I really just want to tell him use a newer kernel jackass. |
| [04:52:00] | Cardoe: | Are they still patching v4l in 2.4? |
| [04:52:00] | Beirdo: | that's not always an option |
| [04:52:00] | kormoc: | not that I know of, nope |
| [04:52:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, sure, but you can just not upgrade ivtv then |
| [04:53:00] | Beirdo: | true |
| [04:53:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:54:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [04:54:00] | Beirdo: | I don't wanna backup and reimport data |
| [04:54:00] | Beirdo: | I'm such a dick :) |
| [04:54:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: you do. |
| [04:54:00] | |rt|: | upgrading mysql is a pita |
| [04:54:00] | Cardoe: | isn't ivtv intergrating stuff into only 2.6 kernel? |
| [04:54:00] | |rt|: | had to do that with my box the other week |
| [04:55:00] | |rt|: | well...didn't have to but did |
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| [04:55:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, 0.4.1 is still 2.4 safe, 0.5.x is 2.6.x only iirc |
| [04:56:00] | Beirdo: | oh, and of course... I don't remember the root password. hehe |
| [04:56:00] | Cardoe: | damnit |
| [04:56:00] | Beirdo: | I suuuuck |
| [04:56:00] | Cardoe: | I really don't wanna support 2.4 |
| [04:56:00] | Beirdo: | that's easy to fix |
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| [05:00:00] | Cardoe: | so 0-18-fixes won't compile with modular |
| [05:04:00] | redline-: | anyone knwo about chroot? can i ssh into a box and chroot on all my consoles? |
| [05:05:00] | Kelerion: | I give in.. I've read all I can about alsa but can't get this damn spdif to record by default |
| [05:06:00] | Cardoe: | redline-: chroot is changing your / to a subdir so the person can't break out |
| [05:07:00] | redline-: | im going a gento install and was compiling the kernel and wanted to get into to check something else out |
| [05:08:00] | redline-: | wasnt sure if i open a new term and ssh in/chroot in a differnet windows if it will affect the other |
| [05:08:00] | kormoc: | redline-, no, you can multitask within reason |
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| [05:08:00] | redline-: | cool thaks for the info |
| [05:08:00] | redline-: | i just need some patience =p |
| [05:14:00] | Beirdo: | and emerging... |
| [05:19:00] | sri: | man, what the hell.. I can't get mythtv to work at all now :/ |
| [05:19:00] | sri: | after I try to watch livetv, the card stops capturing. |
| [05:19:00] | ** sri doesn't understand why it's doing that now. :/ ** | |
| [05:19:00] | ** sri stops whining. ** | |
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| [05:27:00] | Cardoe: | how do you guys feel about the ivtv 0.5.x source tree? |
| [05:27:00] | ** Cardoe is currently working on ppc changes ** | |
| [05:28:00] | Kelerion is now known as Kel-kippin | |
| [05:28:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, as long as it's masked, I'd be for it |
| [05:28:00] | Kel-kippin: | I'm off to bed.. 5 hours on this problem is enough – my have an idea in the morning |
| [05:29:00] | Cardoe: | $(shell test $(SUBLEVEL) -ge 15 -a $(PATCHLEVEL) -ge 6 && echo 1) |
| [05:29:00] | Cardoe: | does that look wrong? |
| [05:31:00] | kormoc: | why the echo 1? |
| [05:31:00] | Cardoe: | nfc |
| [05:31:00] | dtm: | Cardoe: did you mean 'exit 1'? |
| [05:31:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [05:31:00] | Cardoe: | no it's setting the var to 1 |
| [05:31:00] | dtm: | oh. |
| [05:31:00] | Cardoe: | but I thought 15 was PATCHLEVEL |
| [05:32:00] | kormoc: | nah |
| [05:32:00] | kormoc: | patch level is like my kernel is 2.6.14-r6, 6 is patch level, 14 is sublevel |
| [05:32:00] | kormoc: | Major.Minor.Sub-rPatch |
| [05:33:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [05:33:00] | Cardoe: | thx |
| [05:34:00] | sri: | anybody using 0.5.x at all? less problematic than 0.4.1? |
| [05:34:00] | kormoc: | sri, more problematic, cause it's in active development |
| [05:34:00] | sri: | kormoc: okay. |
| [05:34:00] | kormoc: | but will be a grand release when it's stable, way less issues |
| [05:34:00] | sri: | kormoc: just trying to figure out why my ivtv driver is so unstable. |
| [05:35:00] | kormoc: | what verions/kernel version/card? |
| [05:35:00] | sri: | ubuntu dapper 2.4.15 and it's a pvr150 |
| [05:35:00] | sri: | and I'm using 0.4.1 |
| [05:35:00] | sri: | 0.4.0 won't compile with 2.6.15 |
| [05:35:00] | kormoc: | yeah, and is your issue sound related? |
| [05:35:00] | sri: | yeah sound doesn't work |
| [05:36:00] | kormoc: | yeah, known issue, only fix is to drop to 2.6.14 and 0.4.0 |
| [05:36:00] | kormoc: | only know fix I know of |
| [05:36:00] | sri: | but when I downrev'd I got a new problem, with the device stop capturing after a client ocnnects. |
| [05:36:00] | sri: | kormoc: okay, I think you mentioned that to me yesterday.. |
| [05:36:00] | sri: | kormoc: and sound did work when I down revv'd to 2.6.12 on ubuntu |
| [05:37:00] | kormoc: | sri, is the sound prehaps muted? |
| [05:37:00] | sri: | unfortunately, 2.6.12 is problematic for me, since alsa doesn't seem to work properly. |
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| [05:37:00] | ** sri has to modprobe alsa drivers by hand and it's painful. ** | |
| [05:37:00] | closer: | anyone give me a hand with with why I see 8 inputs on my PVR250? |
| [05:38:00] | closer: | what is capable of displaying /dev/video32 yuv? Is there some way to make cat /dev/video32 | mplayer – to work? |
| [05:38:00] | kormoc: | sri, I know that one person claimed that the 150 is defaulted to muted and had to pass mute=0 or some such nonsense to get it to work with 0.4.1 |
| [05:38:00] | sri: | kormoc: I *think* I tried that but let me try it again. |
| [05:38:00] | sri: | kormoc: it does set it to mute, as I saw mute=1 |
| [05:38:00] | kormoc: | sri, modinfo ivtv to see what module optionss are there |
| [05:39:00] | kormoc: | sri, ivtvcrtl should be able to unmute it as well |
| [05:40:00] | sri: | okay, let me try that. |
| [05:40:00] | sri: | I still have to figure out why it stops capturing as well.. and that happens regardless of the version of the ivtv |
| [05:44:00] | sri: | kormoc: so according to ivtvctl it looks like mute = 1 |
| [05:45:00] | kormoc: | I'd bet unmuting it will bring your sound back |
| [05:45:00] | sri: | it doesnt. |
| [05:46:00] | kormoc: | :/ |
| [05:46:00] | sri: | strange stuff. |
| [05:46:00] | sri: | hmm. |
| [05:46:00] | sri: | when I check again it still says mute=1 |
| [05:47:00] | sri: | what do you do to set mute=0? |
| [05:47:00] | sri: | I thought it was:sudo ivtvctl --set-ctrl=mute=0 |
| [05:49:00] | kormoc: | that looks right, aye |
| [05:49:00] | sri: | hmm.. there's a thread about this exact thing |
| [05:51:00] | sri: | I think I may have got it... |
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| [05:52:00] | sri: | nope.. rats. |
| [05:52:00] | ** Cardoe hacks some ivtv patches ** | |
| [05:52:00] | Cardoe: | who wants to test!? |
| [05:53:00] | sri: | okay.. so I think here's where my problem lies: |
| [05:53:00] | sri: | cx25840 0–0044: firmware v4l-cx25840.fw load failed |
| [05:54:00] | sri: | no no, the problem is really that I'm a moron |
| [05:54:00] | closer: | how does one get rid of the right black border? |
| [05:54:00] | Cardoe: | sri: correct |
| [05:54:00] | sri: | :-) |
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| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | raise your hands |
| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | not all at once |
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| [06:08:00] | sri: | Cardoe: I would, but let me at least get this silly thing going first :) |
| [06:08:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, what version of ivtv? |
| [06:08:00] | sri: | goddam it.. |
| [06:09:00] | sri: | wth |
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| [06:10:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: 0.4.1 or 0.4.0 |
| [06:10:00] | Cardoe: | preferably 0.4.1 |
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| [06:10:00] | sri: | oh, I can do that. |
| [06:10:00] | kormoc: | yeah, 0.4.1 doesn't preticullarly work for me |
| [06:10:00] | ** sri has 0.4.1 ** | |
| [06:10:00] | sri: | but it's not currently working, trying to load a firmware thats failing |
| [06:10:00] | ** sri wondres if it's because there is a conflict. ** | |
| [06:11:00] | sri: | son of a bitch.. if I have a v4l-cx25840.fw, it's bad to have a kernel module called cx25840 too right? |
| [06:11:00] | kormoc: | sri, you shouldn't be using that, correct |
| [06:12:00] | sri: | kormoc: okay. |
| [06:13:00] | sri: | hmm |
| [06:13:00] | sri: | so I have these two lines: |
| [06:13:00] | sri: | [4305575.255000] cx25840 0–0044: cx25843–23 found @ 0x88 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [06:13:00] | sri: | [4305614.913000] cx25840 0–0044: firmware v4l-cx25840.fw load failed |
| [06:13:00] | sri: | one says cx25843 instead of cx25840 |
| [06:14:00] | closer: | don't think that would be a problem. it's saying it found it, but not downloaded the firmware |
| [06:14:00] | sri: | hmm.. I wonder why it's failing. |
| [06:14:00] | closer: | v4l-cx25840.fw is something you get from the driver from hauppauge, downloaded on the web presumably |
| [06:15:00] | sri: | it's in /lib/firmware/`uname -r` |
| [06:15:00] | closer: | did you download it and put it into the right place? |
| [06:15:00] | sri: | yeah, since it can find the toher firmware |
| [06:15:00] | sri: | ubuntu dapper got rid of the hotplug stuff so there is no hotplug |
| [06:15:00] | Hoxzer_: | we need more sex do we? |
| [06:15:00] | closer: | did you copy the right file? |
| [06:15:00] | closer: | Makoa or whatever? |
| [06:16:00] | sri: | HcwMakoA.ROM? |
| [06:16:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: what's wrong with it? |
| [06:16:00] | closer: | yeah... that ix the v4l-cx25840.fw according to the README with 0.4.1 |
| [06:16:00] | Cardoe: | *** Warning: "__ucmpdi2" [/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.1/work/ivtv-0.4.1/driver/cx25840.ko] undefined! |
| [06:16:00] | closer: | do you have hotplug support in your kernel, are you sure "the other firmware isloading?" |
| [06:16:00] | Cardoe: | that's what I get |
| [06:17:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, he souldn't be using the in kernel one with ivtv yet |
| [06:17:00] | closer: | that symbol is missing and expected from something else |
| [06:17:00] | closer: | cardoe: |
| [06:17:00] | sri: | hmm.. the md5sum for HcwMakoA.ROM is different than the one I installed. |
| [06:17:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: what's wrong with 0.4.1 for you... |
| [06:17:00] | Cardoe: | closer: yeah what that is I dunno. |
| [06:18:00] | closer: | 0.4.1 is working fine for me, I just started with this project yesterday so I'm a little lost and think there are some serious problems with the driver... but I'm biased as a driver writer |
| [06:18:00] | Cardoe: | closer: because I can't seem to find it in ppc sources |
| [06:18:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, ahh, kernel panic on module load with 2.6.14-r6, havn't tried with 2.6.15 yet |
| [06:18:00] | closer: | cardoe: you get that error on modprobe? |
| [06:18:00] | Cardoe: | closer: I'm compiling it. |
| [06:18:00] | closer: | ah okay. |
| [06:18:00] | Cardoe: | closer: I'm working on making it work on ppc. |
| [06:18:00] | closer: | pastbin.com the compile output. |
| [06:18:00] | closer: | ah |
| [06:19:00] | closer: | what ppc? |
| [06:19:00] | Cardoe: | a Pegasos box |
| [06:19:00] | Cardoe: | basically G4 |
| [06:19:00] | sri: | aha! that worked. |
| [06:19:00] | sri: | I rock. |
| [06:19:00] | closer: | I wish the mac mini had a pci slot for a 350 |
| [06:19:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: what kind of panic? |
| [06:20:00] | Cardoe: | closer: now the huge issue is I have to change all the "char" to "signed char" |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, something about irq sync |
| [06:20:00] | Cardoe: | in the code. |
| [06:20:00] | Cardoe: | cause x86 assumes "signed char" for chars |
| [06:20:00] | Cardoe: | but other arches don't |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I have to hard reboot even though the box stays live |
| [06:20:00] | sri: | wth |
| [06:20:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [06:20:00] | Beirdo: | poor bastard asterisk box |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | 320MB into swap |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:21:00] | sri: | still doesn't work and Mute=0 now |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | 1 9 308572 2712 1376 7628 2448 292 2448 292 3457 529 8 26 0 66 |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | muhhahah |
| [06:21:00] | Beirdo: | poor little bitch of a machine |
| [06:21:00] | Cardoe: | lol |
| [06:21:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: nutcase |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | so................ |
| [06:22:00] | sri: | jeez.. |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | compiling mysql |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | any x86 ivtv users? |
| [06:22:00] | ** Cardoe doesn't have his x86 box with ivtv working right now... ** | |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | who wants to try my patches |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | I use it on FC1 |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | that's fine |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | with 0.2.0 |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, maybe this weekend I'll give .4.1 a shot with 2.6.15 and see if it works better |
| [06:22:00] | Cardoe: | patch applies cleanly to 0.4.1 |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | that's like 2 minor revs past me |
| [06:22:00] | Beirdo: | sorry |
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| [06:23:00] | closer: | has anyone got mplayer reading from /dev/video32 |
| [06:23:00] | kormoc: | closer, nope, just /dev/video0 |
| [06:24:00] | closer: | video32 seems pretty useless given that most apps can't use it |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | so why worry bout it? |
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| [06:25:00] | mchou: | heh, anyone here use xen? |
| [06:25:00] | closer: | it's useful to start xawtv on something to test if it's working... |
| [06:25:00] | closer: | i might want to use the composite imput for a webcam |
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| [06:27:00] | kormoc: | closer, is 32 the composite input? |
| [06:28:00] | Beirdo: | it's supposed to be raw video frames, I think |
| [06:28:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [06:28:00] | Cardoe: | the #s aren't diff inputs |
| [06:29:00] | Cardoe: | they're diff data |
| [06:29:00] | kormoc: | gotcha |
| [06:29:00] | Cardoe: | you have to change the input you're using |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | I wonder why ppl think /dev/videoX represent different inputs |
| [06:31:00] | ** Beirdo continues watching Dead Like Me ** | |
| [06:32:00] | kormoc: | good show, but so odd |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | WTF? |
| [06:32:00] | Beirdo: | why does the down arrow now do 10 minutes instead of 5 like it did yesterday? |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | wonder what changed in svn since I last checked out |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [06:33:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I'd say the time jump doubled since you last checked it out :P |
| [06:33:00] | Beirdo: | I'll go read the commit archives sometime |
| [06:34:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:34:00] | Beirdo: | seems that way :) |
| [06:34:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs and waits for this mysql compile ** | |
| [06:35:00] | Beirdo: | poor little bish needs more RAM |
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| [06:36:00] | mishehu: | anybody here using any mini itx equipment with mythtv? |
| [06:37:00] | mishehu: | am looking for some recommendations |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [06:37:00] | mchou: | looking for HW AGAIN??? |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:37:00] | Beirdo: | mishehu, you have too much cash |
| [06:37:00] | mchou: | mishehu: ^^ |
| [06:37:00] | mishehu: | I haven't bought any recently |
| [06:37:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:37:00] | mishehu: | last I priced an opteron system that never got purchased |
| [06:37:00] | mchou: | mishehu: that's no reason to go buy some more..... |
| [06:38:00] | mishehu: | and right now I have an ahtlon xp that keeps overheatting no matter what I do to it. |
| [06:38:00] | sri: | mishehu: I"m going to use one for a frontend as soon as I get this silly thing working |
| [06:38:00] | mchou: | mishehu: I thought you had a64 x2 |
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| [06:38:00] | mishehu: | mchou: yes, I do. they are both used for business as well as play. |
| [06:38:00] | mchou: | mishehu: xp's are not recommended :) |
| [06:39:00] | mchou: | not for myth frontends anyways |
| [06:39:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [06:39:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:39:00] | mishehu: | tell me about it now after the past year of me fighting it |
| [06:39:00] | Beirdo: | I use a Sempron 2800 |
| [06:39:00] | Beirdo: | it stays toasy |
| [06:39:00] | Beirdo: | toasty rather |
| [06:40:00] | mishehu: | well, I was thinking of a mini itx with a pentium m. |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | better choice than the Sempron :) |
| [06:40:00] | mchou: | bah, a64's are the best for frontends, I'm convinced |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | a64 is REAL nice for heat |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | that's for sure |
| [06:40:00] | mishehu: | I just don't know if there's any issue getting X to display on tv, as the boards I see have an intel graphics chipset on them. |
| [06:40:00] | Beirdo: | mine have never been above 2C above room temperature as measured at the CPU |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | mishehu: if you though xps are a pain, waut till you get itx :) |
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| [06:41:00] | mchou: | wait* |
| [06:41:00] | mishehu: | mchou: they are, but I'd feel really bad about using an athlon64 for a frontend at the tv when I could be using it for biz. |
| [06:41:00] | feld: | BAH HELP AAAH! |
| [06:41:00] | mishehu: | mchou: what's the problems with itx? |
| [06:41:00] | mishehu: | it's just a form factor |
| [06:41:00] | feld: | What the hell is going on, Mythtv has no data for December 30 and 31st |
| [06:41:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, feld, I can't help ya move from WI |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | mishehu: haha |
| [06:41:00] | mishehu: | and a chassis spec |
| [06:41:00] | dtm: | mishehu: thank goodness for remote displays |
| [06:41:00] | feld: | lol Beirdo |
| [06:41:00] | dtm: | mishehu: and a network transparent OS |
| [06:41:00] | Beirdo: | did your zap2it expire? |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | but seriously. its like Mythtv thinks the 30th and 31st doesnt exist |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | Beirdo: no |
| [06:42:00] | sri: | so I learned osmething today |
| [06:42:00] | Beirdo: | dunno then |
| [06:42:00] | mishehu: | mchou: if you know something I don't know, please elaborate |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | i have data from the 1st-14th |
| [06:42:00] | Beirdo: | how odd |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | but not 30 and 31st |
| [06:42:00] | sri: | today i learned that if I set the stream for live tv to TS instead of PS I break ivtv driver :) |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | and i dont expire until the 12th |
| [06:42:00] | mishehu: | I've not touched any mini itx yet. fry's electronics only has the epias, and that's not an intel or amd chip, so I don't know how it is. |
| [06:42:00] | Beirdo: | well, it should reload the current day on the next run |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | mishehu: how am supposed to know what you dont know? :) |
| [06:42:00] | Beirdo: | and tomorrow |
| [06:42:00] | feld: | Beirdo: i just ran it manually a couple times |
| [06:43:00] | capt-rogers: | I have a PV-250 card. During the hardware install, I bent one of the 3 large capacitors near the top of the board. I manually bent it back, and the card started to work again....that was close! Anyways I am using the Win2000 program to record shows. I would like to install the mythtv, but will i be able to WATCH TV as I record it? I am kind of fuzzy on the watching tv, surfing channels part of mythtv... |
| [06:43:00] | feld: | even with the --refresh-today flag |
| [06:43:00] | Beirdo: | dunno, man |
| [06:43:00] | mishehu: | mchou: ok smartass. ;-) what DO you know, and I'll tell you if I knew it or not already. (chances are I probably do not) |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | mishehu: you think I'm a mind reader? |
| [06:43:00] | mishehu: | you don't need to be a mind reader, as I typed most of what I know already. it's a form factor and a chassis spec, but that's it really. |
| [06:44:00] | mchou: | mishehu: are there non-via based itx? :) |
| [06:45:00] | mchou: | mishehu: gimme a link for non-via itx. |
| [06:45:00] | sri: | capt-rogers: you should. |
| [06:45:00] | mishehu: | mchou: sure. http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=132 |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | mishehu: hy are there 2 cpus on that board? :) |
| [06:46:00] | mchou: | mishehu: one desnt have enough heat? :) |
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| [06:47:00] | blayne: | Okay, help! |
| [06:47:00] | blayne: | I have done something disastrous. |
| [06:47:00] | blayne: | Anybody around? |
| [06:47:00] | mchou: | mishehu: ok, that "other" cpu must be a graphics chip..... |
| [06:48:00] | blayne: | I'm suspecting the database here. |
| [06:48:00] | mishehu: | mchou: that was my guess |
| [06:48:00] | feld: | blayne: eh? |
| [06:48:00] | feld: | blayne: what is your problem |
| [06:48:00] | mishehu: | I have a pentium m notebook, they're pretty decent for heat too |
| [06:49:00] | blayne: | Mythtv is now telling me it's recording when its not. |
| [06:49:00] | blayne: | All the upcoming recordings are gone |
| [06:49:00] | blayne: | And I can't schedule anything to record. |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [06:49:00] | feld: | blayne: check your guide. do you have data for the 30th and 31st? i dont! |
| [06:49:00] | feld: | its magically gone |
| [06:49:00] | mchou: | feld: that's on account of the "leap second" |
| [06:49:00] | blayne: | I think I've lost read/write permissions to some table in mythconverg. |
| [06:50:00] | feld: | and i've done database repair checks and tried filling the database every way possible |
| [06:50:00] | blayne: | And if there is a flag that indicates when the tuner card is recording, it's stuck on. |
| [06:50:00] | feld: | blayne: get mysql-administrator |
| [06:50:00] | feld: | login thru the gui |
| [06:50:00] | blayne: | Earlier tonight, I setup a remote frontend. |
| [06:50:00] | feld: | choose your database, do maintainence, and do a repair. its real quick n easy. |
| [06:50:00] | blayne: | mysql-administrator. Will do. |
| [06:50:00] | kormoc: | feld, I have guide data |
| [06:51:00] | feld: | damnit. mind sending it to me lol. =/ |
| [06:51:00] | Beirdo: | mmm, I love turtles |
| [06:51:00] | Beirdo: | stupid ads |
| [06:51:00] | Beirdo: | now I want chocolate |
| [06:51:00] | feld: | is there a way to force the database to fill for those days? |
| [06:51:00] | kormoc: | feld, what provider/location are you? |
| [06:51:00] | capt-rogers: | I have the Knoppixmyth and the mythtv source/tars...i would like to install mythtv on my main rhel4 box, which will eventually run the world. Can I use mthyv as a replacement Hauppages TV tuner software ? Do I change tv channels with mythv? |
| [06:51:00] | kormoc: | feld, there's a flag for mythfilldatabase to force a update, aye |
| [06:52:00] | Cardoe: | rebooting |
| [06:52:00] | blayne: | Could it be that I screwed things up when I ran the SQL to grant permissions to the mythtv user at the ip of the remote front end client? |
| [06:52:00] | Cardoe (n=Cardoe@gentoo/developer/Cardoe) Quit ("Leaving") | |
| [06:52:00] | kormoc: | capt-rogers, yeah, it's a full blown PVR that replaces all the stuff |
| [06:52:00] | feld: | kormoc: i've tried every flag possible :( i was hoping there was a "hidden" way. |
| [06:52:00] | kormoc: | feld, maybe zap2it just has no data for you? |
| [06:52:00] | feld: | yeah im @ the zap2it site but having problems browsing it |
| [06:53:00] | blayne: | where can I get mysql-administrator? |
| [06:53:00] | feld: | no idea. what distro u running blayne |
| [06:53:00] | kormoc: | blayne, google? |
| [06:54:00] | blayne: | Googling now. Sorry. :) |
| [06:54:00] | feld: | someone give me a random *real* zip code |
| [06:54:00] | blayne: | Running Fedora Core 4 |
| [06:54:00] | feld: | i need to see if zap2it is broken for mine |
| [06:55:00] | kormoc: | feld, 98188 17551 17602 17603 98102 98108 |
| [06:55:00] | feld: | yum install mysql-administrator, blayne ? |
| [06:55:00] | blayne: | I'll try it. |
| [06:56:00] | blayne: | So is there a database table column that indicates when the tuner is recording? |
| [06:56:00] | feld: | yah i think so |
| [06:56:00] | feld: | i'd imagine so |
| [06:57:00] | blayne: | Not getting anything helpful in the logs either. When I try to set something to record, it just doesn't take. I hoped the log would indicate a write error. |
| [06:57:00] | mishehu: | real users use mysql cli |
| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | screw that |
| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | phpmyadmin :) |
| [06:58:00] | feld: | mishehu: i dont have the time to learn that =/ |
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| [06:58:00] | mishehu: | SELECT nickname FROM mythtv-users WHERE real_user="Yes"; |
| [06:58:00] | feld: | i dont have a real database to maintain. |
| [06:58:00] | feld: | if i did, i'd be all over it. :) |
| [06:58:00] | Beirdo: | select nickname from mythtv-users where attribute like "dumbass" |
| [06:59:00] | mishehu: | funny, that last query by Beirdo returns an empty set. |
| [06:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:59:00] | Beirdo: | maybe right now |
| [06:59:00] | feld: | guys, why does mine return Beirdo? |
| [06:59:00] | Beirdo: | but only because Eszenia ain't here |
| [06:59:00] | |Slurpee|: | kormoc ! |
| [06:59:00] | feld: | ;) |
| [07:00:00] | kormoc: | |Slurpee| ! |
| [07:00:00] | |Slurpee|: | got some good news m8 |
| [07:00:00] | Beirdo: | that was real_user or real_luser? |
| [07:00:00] | kormoc: | yeah? |
| [07:00:00] | |Slurpee|: | i talked to new egg |
| [07:00:00] | mishehu: | Beirdo: well, there can always be UPDATES and INSERTS |
| [07:00:00] | Beirdo: | come ON, mysql, you POS, finish compiling |
| [07:00:00] | |Slurpee|: | they told me to order a new unit and i would be credited back when they recieved the orginal cpu |
| [07:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | so i ordered a new one and got over nite shipping |
| [07:01:00] | mishehu: | Beirdo: building 5.0.x? |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | GOD I hate C++ crap |
| [07:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | just got a shipping notification that my package is already in my state |
| [07:01:00] | feld: | |Slurpee|: yeah they're jerks i've had them do that before. |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | 4.1.14 |
| [07:01:00] | kormoc: | |Slurpee|, yeah, they tend to be really good bout it all |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | under gentoo on a Celeron 566 with 128MB ram |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | I'm a sucker for punishment |
| [07:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | ill be veru impressed if i recieve the package tomarrow |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | all it does is my asterisk CDRs |
| [07:01:00] | |Slurpee|: | they had online tech support |
| [07:01:00] | feld: | most places that I've dealt with will send me the new one first and hold my CC# |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | and voicemail... |
| [07:01:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | i chatted with a person who created the ram ticket for me and everything |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | rma |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | not tam |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | ram |
| [07:02:00] | feld: | Beirdo: why not compile it on another machine and then quickpkg it up? |
| [07:02:00] | Beirdo: | because it's the only gentoo victim I have |
| [07:02:00] | feld: | mmmm i see |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | hopefully i will be back in business tomarrow |
| [07:02:00] | Beirdo: | or want |
| [07:02:00] | Beirdo: | one is enough |
| [07:02:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [07:02:00] | |Slurpee|: | do u think i should clean the cpu and heat sync before i send it back ? |
| [07:03:00] | feld: | one is never enough! I have 3 gentoo boxes, hopefully 4 soon. |
| [07:03:00] | Beirdo: | you are a masochist |
| [07:03:00] | kormoc: | |Slurpee|, I wouldn't bother |
| [07:03:00] | |Slurpee|: | cool |
| [07:03:00] | kormoc: | |Slurpee|, but they would likely not mind if you do |
| [07:03:00] | Beirdo: | I have other things that are more important to me than farting around with gentoo 24/7 :) |
| [07:03:00] | feld: | whats wrong with gentoo, besides its extremely flexible, insanely stable, and has good performance. |
| [07:03:00] | Beirdo: | if you got time, great for you :) |
| [07:03:00] | feld: | How is gentoo time consuming? |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | it spawns stupid users |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | it's not "insanely stable" |
| [07:04:00] | ** kormoc peers at himself. ** | |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | debian can make that claim |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | as it never fuckin changes |
| [07:04:00] | feld: | it spawns stupid users? |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | but gentoo changes daily |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:04:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, depends. It does take a little more maintiance then other distros, but it can be quite stable. |
| [07:04:00] | |Slurpee|: | gentoo over debian for mythtv ?? |
| [07:04:00] | Beirdo: | all the people who endlessly and mindlessly tweak compile options |
| [07:05:00] | feld: | Beirdo: uhh why are you worried abouy syncing every day? I know people who have boxes they havent sync'd in a year |
| [07:05:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc, yes, but I wouldn't classify a sliding target as "insanely stable" |
| [07:05:00] | sri: | man, it seems everything checks out, I still don't understand this problem with my audio |
| [07:05:00] | Beirdo: | I haven't synced in months |
| [07:05:00] | Beirdo: | but that's not the point |
| [07:05:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, given most people consider fedora as acceptably stable, I consider it way more stable :P |
| [07:05:00] | Beirdo: | any distro is as stable as the updates |
| [07:06:00] | feld: | I have a friend who has 8 gentoo servers at work. |
| [07:06:00] | feld: | says it works out quite nicely |
| [07:06:00] | kormoc: | feld, gentoo as production servers is a bad idea imho |
| [07:06:00] | Beirdo: | and when the updates are constant, it's far too easy to have cock-ups |
| [07:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | i work with debian servers at work |
| [07:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | debian seems very stabel for us |
| [07:06:00] | |Slurpee|: | but ive never fux0r with gentoo |
| [07:06:00] | kormoc: | feld, having a system wide compiler for a server is just asking for trouble |
| [07:06:00] | Beirdo: | not that the devs TRY to bork it, but it WILL happen |
| [07:06:00] | feld: | kormoc: as long as you dont update toolchain you're fine. gotta know how to handle it. |
| [07:07:00] | kormoc: | feld, nah, it's not that, it's allowing anyone who gets access to compile their own code, which opens the way to exploits |
| [07:07:00] | Beirdo: | every distro has fuckups |
| [07:07:00] | Beirdo: | it happens |
| [07:07:00] | feld: | kormoc: you dont have to worry if you dont let people in |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: what's the diff from any other distro? |
| [07:07:00] | kormoc: | feld, distros designed for serving don't include a compiler for that reason, makes it harder for some of the more obsure bugs to get affected. |
| [07:07:00] | feld: | Cardoe: was wondering the same thing. |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | if you have to hand compile a bunch of your packages |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | just to get the right support |
| [07:07:00] | Cardoe: | then you've got a compiler |
| [07:08:00] | feld: | exactly |
| [07:08:00] | Cardoe: | which is what I've had to do on most other distros. |
| [07:08:00] | Beirdo: | the tweaking of my system is exactly why I use gentoo on my asterisk box |
| [07:08:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, there was a bug early in the 2.6.x kernel serise that required a local compiler to get root access, and it had to be the one that compiled the kernel, and a friend of mine's box got owned via phpbb and this bug |
| [07:08:00] | Beirdo: | "no fucking X for any reason" |
| [07:08:00] | Beirdo: | try to convince Fedora to do that :) |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: lol |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | I tried once |
| [07:09:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, as it's a home box, no real damnage, but I'd rather be safer then sorry with data that matters |
| [07:09:00] | feld: | try to convince Fedora to not be a piece of junk =/ |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | I tried once too |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | Fedora isn't a piece of junk |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | it's a distro |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: do what I do for Gentoo boxes. |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | if you don't like how it works, don't use it |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | you have your production boxes. |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | and you have your development box. |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | the production boxes don't have compilers |
| [07:09:00] | feld: | btw my friends servers are all hardened and use SELinux |
| [07:09:00] | Cardoe: | the development box does. |
| [07:09:00] | Beirdo: | if you wanna badmouth distros, Gentoo will get the lion's share of the bashing |
| [07:10:00] | Cardoe: | and all the boxes are identical hardware |
| [07:10:00] | Cardoe: | I have bintools binary packaged |
| [07:10:00] | Beirdo: | it's counter-productive to distro-bash |
| [07:10:00] | Cardoe: | incase of problems |
| [07:10:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: basically |
| [07:10:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, sure, that would work fine, but most sysadmins don't really want the extra work |
| [07:10:00] | feld: | Beirdo: but funny how 50% of the people who are on the Gentoo forums don't run Gentoo. They just like our community because we happen to be able to answer the questions that theirs cannot lol |
| [07:10:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: it's not really extra work. |
| [07:11:00] | Beirdo: | Gentoo's "I wanna be FreeBSD" mentality still pisses me off |
| [07:11:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I actually find it easier |
| [07:11:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I'm wishing that gcc would be done as it's own group, and the user needs to be in the gcc group to be used. That would tighten it up a bit imho with minimal work |
| [07:11:00] | sri: | so one other question when I installed the 0.4.0 drivers, it installed it's own kernel modules for tda9887,lo, tuner.ko and tveeprom.ko, how come 0.4.1 doesn't dot hat? |
| [07:11:00] | Beirdo: | feld: that's bogus. Forums are only used by a small subset of users |
| [07:11:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, sure, but it's not what most sysadmins I know would consider easier when they can just hop on each box and emerge -uD world |
| [07:11:00] | Beirdo: | and most forum-lovers tend to be non-techies that I've seen |
| [07:11:00] | kormoc: | tis true |
| [07:11:00] | feld: | Beirdo: how many Gentoo users do you suspect there are? I believe there are 100,000 registered on the Gentoo forums. |
| [07:11:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: no it's logical. |
| [07:12:00] | Beirdo: | who cares how many people register to a damn forum? |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo++ |
| [07:12:00] | Beirdo: | how many are repeat registrations? |
| [07:12:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, which part is logical? |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you test before you deploy |
| [07:12:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, no, I agree with your system, it's good |
| [07:12:00] | feld: | Beirdo: why would you repeat registration? |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: so on your dev box you emerge the packages first |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | test that everything is working |
| [07:12:00] | Beirdo: | because you forgot your password? |
| [07:12:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, but most sysadmins I know don't bother and then just bitch when the box goes down from a upgrade |
| [07:12:00] | Cardoe: | the binary packages are shared via NFS |
| [07:12:00] | feld: | uhm Password retrieval? |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | because you are a lameass that likes to post under different names? |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | many reasons |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | two of you stop |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | before I tranq you |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:13:00] | feld: | Beirdo: lol but u can change ur name on Gentoo forums |
| [07:13:00] | feld: | heh |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe's getting pissed |
| [07:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:13:00] | feld: | lol yeah he is |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | :) |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | better watch it |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | I'm apparently a loose cannon |
| [07:13:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [07:13:00] | Cardoe: | and had to get talked to by developer relations |
| [07:13:00] | kormoc: | a loose cannon with the power to... talk... |
| [07:14:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [07:14:00] | kormoc: | bout what? |
| [07:14:00] | Beirdo: | forums aren't a good indicator of anything in my mind |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | because I used the word "fuck" in #gentoo-dev |
| [07:14:00] | kormoc: | meh |
| [07:14:00] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | and I told another developer to fuck off |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | and I told another he was a moron |
| [07:14:00] | Beirdo: | unless the word "Gentoo" followed immediately, who cares? |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | and their feelings were hurt |
| [07:14:00] | Cardoe: | so they complained to the developer relations team |
| [07:14:00] | feld: | Cardoe: thats actually kinda funny |
| [07:15:00] | Cardoe: | and they weren't happy that I didn't come to apolgoize to them. |
| [07:15:00] | Beirdo: | some people are crazy |
| [07:15:00] | Cardoe: | I shit you not. |
| [07:15:00] | Cardoe: | 4 freaking hours of my day wasted on those two morons. |
| [07:15:00] | Beirdo: | wonder if that machine will finish this decade... |
| [07:15:00] | Cardoe: | they're whipping out IRC logs. |
| [07:15:00] | Cardoe: | blah |
| [07:16:00] | feld: | hey, btw, why are you mad about Gentoo using Portage, basically a FBSD "ports" clone? |
| [07:16:00] | Beirdo: | wonder what happens to asterisk when my CDR database is unreachable |
| [07:16:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, my first gentoo box was a 486 dx 2 66, and it finished mysql in under a week :P |
| [07:16:00] | Cardoe: | I said hey... I actually do development work rather then log and sit there grepping them and getting off on my l33t grep skillz. |
| [07:16:00] | Beirdo: | betcha I'll find out tomorrow |
| [07:16:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc, you are a special type of masochist :) |
| [07:17:00] | feld: | kormoc: thats crazy |
| [07:17:00] | Beirdo: | of course, my first linux box was a 386DX40 with 4MB RAM |
| [07:17:00] | kormoc: | hehe, it worked well overall, just took forever to start :) |
| [07:17:00] | Beirdo: | compiling a kernel took 4 days |
| [07:17:00] | Beirdo: | and I shit you not |
| [07:17:00] | feld: | lol wow |
| [07:17:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, it took a few hours on the 486, so I can beleive it :P |
| [07:17:00] | Beirdo: | that poor POS swapped a harddrive to death |
| [07:17:00] | feld: | i've only been in the game for ... 2 years maybe. i've got another 8 to know before I can claim i know anything about Linux lol |
| [07:18:00] | feld: | *8 to go |
| [07:18:00] | Beirdo: | that was with Slackware... on 50 floppies |
| [07:18:00] | Beirdo: | those were the days |
| [07:18:00] | kormoc: | I've been totally linux from 2000 |
| [07:18:00] | kormoc: | used it for a little before that |
| [07:18:00] | Beirdo: | started in 1994 |
| [07:18:00] | feld: | nice Beirdo |
| [07:18:00] | feld: | Ever since I started using it, I |
| [07:18:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you're a guru now! |
| [07:18:00] | Beirdo: | I still use 'blows, but I have not much choice for games |
| [07:19:00] | feld: | *I've been in love with it |
| [07:19:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, cedega! :P |
| [07:19:00] | Beirdo: | blech |
| [07:19:00] | feld: | oh god no |
| [07:19:00] | feld: | cedega blows |
| [07:19:00] | Beirdo: | WinXP |
| [07:19:00] | ** kormoc says as he is wearing his Transgaming Beta Team shirt ** | |
| [07:19:00] | Beirdo: | screw cedega |
| [07:19:00] | kormoc: | feld, ooh? why's that? |
| [07:19:00] | Beirdo: | I like to be able to back Mickeysoft for the crashes |
| [07:19:00] | feld: | because its a half assed attempt at doing something half assed? |
| [07:19:00] | kormoc: | feld, ooh? why's that? |
| [07:19:00] | feld: | its just such a dirty hack |
| [07:20:00] | kormoc: | ooh? in what way? |
| [07:20:00] | Beirdo: | because you can just boot Windows and have less "AH GOD DAMMIT" moments? |
| [07:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:20:00] | feld: | exactly |
| [07:20:00] | Beirdo: | although certainly not 0 of them |
| [07:20:00] | kormoc: | feld, if you have some examples, I'd love to hear them |
| [07:20:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:20:00] | kormoc: | cause I am quite close to the project. |
| [07:20:00] | feld: | and you dont need a 6800 to run Battlefield2 on low settings with decent performance? lol |
| [07:21:00] | Beirdo: | I could just run Windows on my Ultra 10's SunPCI card |
| [07:21:00] | kormoc: | feld, I get good performance out of my 5200 pci... |
| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | grrr |
| [07:21:00] | Beirdo: | Celeron 500 or so |
| [07:21:00] | feld: | the performance hit is killer for me. |
| [07:21:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | did I ever mention how I dislike perl |
| [07:21:00] | feld: | and gfx bugs are annoying |
| [07:21:00] | Beirdo: | perl++ |
| [07:21:00] | kormoc: | feld, such as? |
| [07:21:00] | mishehu: | I can't extract the firmware from the zipfile linked on the ivtvdriver.org wiki |
| [07:21:00] | Beirdo: | mishehu, the worst is having to compile the fucker for Solaris... 5 times |
| [07:22:00] | blayne: | feld, not finding the maintenance > repair tool in mysql-administrator |
| [07:22:00] | feld: | blayne: one second i'll guide you |
| [07:22:00] | blayne: | okay |
| [07:22:00] | Beirdo: | now, I wish Solaris package building had a dpkg setup |
| [07:23:00] | Beirdo: | or even ebuilds |
| [07:23:00] | Beirdo: | GOD does doing it by hand every time ever suck |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | and then when you're done, another apache vulnerability is found, and you have to compile the 10 different variants... again... by hand... with mod_perl, mod_ssl, mod_php |
| [07:24:00] | feld: | blayne: very bottom left click Catalogs |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | ick |
| [07:24:00] | blayne: | k |
| [07:24:00] | feld: | then click your mythtv database |
| [07:24:00] | deigo: | okay, way to drunk, holla. |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | sorry, flashbacks to a couple weeks ago |
| [07:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [07:25:00] | feld: | then click maintainence lower right, blayne |
| [07:25:00] | blayne: | Ah, got it. Thanks! |
| [07:25:00] | feld: | yeah |
| [07:25:00] | feld: | :) |
| [07:26:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed |
| [07:26:00] | feld: | Beirdo: that would suck |
| [07:26:00] | feld: | really really badly |
| [07:26:00] | Beirdo: | mysql will hopefully be done by morning |
| [07:26:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, it does |
| [07:26:00] | feld: | my god what did they do in the old days? =/ |
| [07:26:00] | feld: | that would drive me nuts |
| [07:26:00] | kormoc: | night Beirdo |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | or they find a openssl vulnerability |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | that's an even bigger joy |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | apache, openssh, postfix... eek |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | a whole lot of rebuilding going on |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:27:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed. |
| [07:27:00] | feld: | nite man |
| [07:28:00] | Beirdo: | night, guys |
| [07:28:00] | Beirdo: | get some sleep or at least more coffee |
| [07:28:00] | Beirdo: | ;) |
| [07:28:00] | feld: | anyone here know how the next mythtv release is shaping up? anyone keep track of that? i know they were doing a lot of rewriting for the recording. |
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| [07:29:00] | kormoc: | feld, look at the svn timeline to see |
| [07:29:00] | feld: | hrm? never knew there was one |
| [07:29:00] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline |
| [07:30:00] | sri: | Beirdo: if you have more than one computer, you should use distcc to speed up the compiles. |
| [07:30:00] | sri: | man that ivtv-dev channel is lame. |
| [07:30:00] | sri: | everyone is asleep |
| [07:30:00] | feld: | sri: but he only runs one gentoo, and i doubt he'd want to take the time to make sure glibc and gcc were the same version on the others |
| [07:31:00] | feld: | kormoc: i think the roadmap is more useful |
| [07:31:00] | feld: | and it looks like they're closing in on a release! |
| [07:31:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:31:00] | kormoc: | sri, post a bug report? |
| [07:31:00] | sri: | feld: ah.. yeah. |
| [07:32:00] | mishehu: | shit |
| [07:32:00] | sri: | kormoc: yeah, I think you're right. I have gone through this a lot. I thought I solved it, but it continues to defy my attempts. |
| [07:32:00] | Cardoe: | what's the issue with sri? |
| [07:32:00] | mishehu: | my brain is shutting down for the night and I can't figure out why this stupid perl script won't extract the damn firmware |
| [07:32:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, he's not the only one, but 0.4.1 and pvr 150's tend to cause the sound to not work |
| [07:33:00] | sri: | I think it might be a driver conflict but I'm not usre. |
| [07:33:00] | mishehu: | pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip is the file for firmware for the pvr250 no? |
| [07:35:00] | sri: | one of the things thats really different about 0.4.1 and 0.4.0 is the fact that 0.4.0 copies it's own drivers. |
| [07:35:00] | sri: | while 0.4.1 only compiles ivtv.ko and ivtv-fb.ko |
| [07:35:00] | sri: | so I don't know if that makes a difference |
| [07:35:00] | Cardoe: | basically all the fixes didn't make it into the kernel it sounds like |
| [07:35:00] | Cardoe: | sri: what kernel? |
| [07:35:00] | kormoc: | .15 |
| [07:36:00] | sri: | yeah |
| [07:36:00] | Cardoe: | 2.6.15-final-latestpatch-alll33tpatches-omgawesomepatch? |
| [07:36:00] | sri: | no |
| [07:36:00] | sri: | well, it's unbuntu's dapper |
| [07:37:00] | sri: | and it's different from vanilla, like for instance, hotplug has been removed.. |
| [07:37:00] | Cardoe: | where'd you get the kernel from |
| [07:37:00] | Cardoe: | wtf. |
| [07:37:00] | sri: | so firmware stuff goes to /lib/firmware/<kern version> |
| [07:37:00] | Cardoe: | why? |
| [07:37:00] | Cardoe: | why pull out hotplug? |
| [07:37:00] | sri: | they are using udevd |
| [07:37:00] | sri: | so they let udev do the work for htem. |
| [07:37:00] | kormoc: | isn't hotplug required for udev? |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [07:38:00] | feld: | kormoc: i was going to ask the same |
| [07:38:00] | kormoc: | yeah, if udev works, hotplug is there |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | this is news to me. |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | I know the author of udev |
| [07:38:00] | sri: | I'm not sure how it ccame together |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | I talk to him constantly. |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | since I maintain stuff that specific depends on it. |
| [07:38:00] | sri: | I was talking to some of hte ubuntu package maintainers. |
| [07:38:00] | Cardoe: | he never mentioned replacing hotplug |
| [07:39:00] | sri: | well this is a ubuntu thing |
| [07:39:00] | sri: | s/a/an/ |
| [07:39:00] | feld: | <ubuntu_dev> hey guys? I just cut hoplug. Don't worry, everything will be JUST fine. |
| [07:39:00] | feld: | *hotplug |
| [07:39:00] | feld: | :P |
| [07:39:00] | sri: | hoplug haha |
| [07:39:00] | kormoc: | ho plugs sound like a inner city thing :P |
| [07:39:00] | mishehu: | gah! /ivtvfwextract.pl: Can't find "pvr48xxx.exe" in "../firmware/" if I unzip the pvr-2.0.24.23035.zip file to that dir, and if I try to have that perl script unzip the file, I get this error: ./ivtvfwextract.pl: Can't open /tmp/ivtvex/hcwpvrp2.sys: No such file or directory |
| [07:40:00] | sri: | anyways, that was one of the hoops I ahd to jump through |
| [07:40:00] | sri: | still, my experience will probably be good for you guys.. hopefully mythtv packages will be sane so nobody starts asking on ML about it. |
| [07:41:00] | sri: | after that I figured out that I had a duplicate driver for cx25840 (or rather it wasn't installed correctly) |
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| [07:41:00] | sri: | and I was getting mute=1 |
| [07:41:00] | sport|mov: | hey |
| [07:41:00] | sri: | now it's mute=0 but sound continues to piss me off. |
| [07:41:00] | sri: | hi |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | what is the best distro for freevo in ur opinion |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | i got a 2.2ghz celeron d |
| [07:42:00] | feld: | lol good one sport|mov |
| [07:42:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, given this is a myth channel, likely very few people in here use freevo |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | i know |
| [07:42:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, might want to try the freevo channel |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | lol |
| [07:42:00] | sri: | hehe |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | i meant myth tv |
| [07:42:00] | sri: | suuure you did. |
| [07:42:00] | sport|mov: | well i plan on using both |
| [07:42:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, the 'offical' answer is the one your most comfrontable with |
| [07:42:00] | sri: | liar! you just came to spy on us. |
| [07:43:00] | feld: | damn where's my bot when I need him most? |
| [07:43:00] | feld: | !rp addquote < sport|mov> what is the best distro for freevo in ur opinion |
| [07:43:00] | eiggirC: | does Mythtv ever "loose" recorded programmes? |
| [07:43:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, only if there's a problem |
| [07:43:00] | sport|mov: | to be honest kormoc im not comfortable with many distros |
| [07:43:00] | feld: | sport|mov: work with what you're comfortable with |
| [07:43:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: thanks – I have a show that won't play anymore |
| [07:43:00] | sport|mov: | thats why im looking for one that will easily allow me to get my pbr up and running |
| [07:43:00] | sport|mov: | asap |
| [07:43:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, knopmyth is one that just runs and sets itself up |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | *pvr |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | ok ill look into that |
| [07:44:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, ooh? what's the error? |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | ok |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | thank |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | s |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | bbl |
| [07:44:00] | mishehu: | why does extracting this firmware have to be such a gawddamn pain in the ass? |
| [07:44:00] | sport|mov: | hmm, does myth tv support externel tuners |
| [07:45:00] | sport|mov: | or only internel |
| [07:45:00] | mishehu: | why can't the firmware just be packaged up instead of making me jump thru extra hoops to extract it |
| [07:45:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, it supports some usb ones, aye |
| [07:45:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, if there's linux drivers, it's likely supported |
| [07:45:00] | sport|mov: | ok |
| [07:45:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, it also supports firewire direct from the cable box |
| [07:45:00] | sport|mov: | hmmm |
| [07:45:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: 2005-12–30 20:45:11.588 Waited too long for decoder to pause |
| [07:45:00] | sport|mov: | ah, it does |
| [07:45:00] | sport|mov: | that is nice |
| [07:45:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: it has a saved position, and has been transcoded. |
| [07:46:00] | sport|mov: | so i assume i could record digital cable then? |
| [07:46:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, huh, it might have transcoded badly |
| [07:46:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, sure, if you can get a deencrypted signal to the proper card or input, aye |
| [07:46:00] | sport|mov: | ah |
| [07:46:00] | sport|mov: | hrmm i have no idea bout that |
| [07:47:00] | sport|mov: | just got a digital cable box tonight |
| [07:47:00] | sport|mov: | has firewire |
| [07:47:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: reckon – I just tried playing it locally, and it killed my xserver |
| [07:47:00] | kormoc: | then likely you can |
| [07:47:00] | feld: | sport|mov: it might work then :) |
| [07:47:00] | sport|mov: | ok |
| [07:47:00] | eiggirC: | I think its fscked :( |
| [07:47:00] | sport|mov: | like i wouldnt need a tv tuner then correct? |
| [07:47:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, yeah, would seem to indicate so |
| [07:48:00] | feld: | does anyone know, do the newer satellite receivers have anything like firewire? |
| [07:48:00] | eiggirC: | damn – I'll never know what the greatest tank in the world is |
| [07:48:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, correct, you would need a way to change channels, via a ir blaster or serial cable |
| [07:48:00] | eiggirC: | :-) |
| [07:48:00] | feld: | or how would u do it with sat? |
| [07:48:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, hehe, just rerecord it :P |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | so.... |
| [07:48:00] | kormoc: | feld, dvb cards |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | who's testing my patch!? |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | who.. |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | come on! |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | come one come all |
| [07:48:00] | sport|mov: | ahh |
| [07:48:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, just toss it in portage! :P |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | I'll adapt it to 0.4.0 |
| [07:48:00] | sport|mov: | so that will be my hardest part kormoc |
| [07:48:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: its not on again. I only have four channels here, one of which is black and white |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: not a bad idea. |
| [07:48:00] | sri: | Cardoe: url to your patch? maybe it'll fix my sound problem :-) |
| [07:48:00] | Cardoe: | sri: it won't |
| [07:48:00] | sport|mov: | ill try and figure it out |
| [07:49:00] | Cardoe: | it's to make it work on ppc |
| [07:49:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, myth.org has links to ir blaster hardware I beleive |
| [07:49:00] | sport|mov: | ok |
| [07:49:00] | kormoc: | eiggirC, that sucks |
| [07:49:00] | sport|mov: | thanks |
| [07:49:00] | Cardoe: | and it'll take out some assumptions. |
| [07:49:00] | feld: | kormoc: dvb card? how would that work? most sat's require a card or whatever to unlock channels. |
| [07:49:00] | sport|mov: | for your help |
| [07:49:00] | sri: | Cardoe: yeah can'thelp you there, no ppc |
| [07:49:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I'll test the 0.4.0 one no problem |
| [07:49:00] | kormoc: | feld, the FTA channels (Free To Air) |
| [07:49:00] | eiggirC: | kormoc: -grin- thanks for the advice anyway. I only just turned off the "keep old files after transcode" setting :( |
| [07:49:00] | kormoc: | feld, very limited selection tho |
| [07:50:00] | feld: | eiggirC: what filesystem u using |
| [07:51:00] | ** sri wonders if he got the svn version if it will help? ** | |
| [07:51:00] | chuggachu: | sport|mov: http://www.irblaster.info/ worked great for me |
| [07:51:00] | Cardoe: | sri: I just need to see if it still compiles on x86 |
| [07:51:00] | sri: | ha, I picked up a bunch of ir serial stuff.. no ir blaster needed for me..yay |
| [07:51:00] | eiggirC: | feld: xfs on both the root and the /mythtv partitions |
| [07:52:00] | feld: | eiggirC: hrm did u look into undeleting files in XFS? |
| [07:52:00] | eiggirC: | nope – whats the command? |
| [07:53:00] | feld: | its probably a bit more difficult than that |
| [07:53:00] | feld: | but i've heard u can do it |
| [07:53:00] | sri: | kormoc: there is like no tickets regarding sound, wierd. |
| [07:53:00] | feld: | check google |
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| [07:54:00] | sport|mov: | hmm |
| [07:55:00] | eiggirC: | feld: thanks, but "There is no undelete in XFS. Always keep backups." |
| [07:56:00] | sport|mov: | how do i know what boxs are compatible with ir blaster? |
| [07:58:00] | chuggachu: | sport|mov, i think its more of a question of what is compatible with LIRC that drives the IRBlaster |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | sri: ... |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | so try my patch |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | :) |
| [07:59:00] | Cardoe: | there's two. |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.4.1-uaccess.patch |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | first one |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | compile test it. |
| [08:00:00] | Cardoe: | segment.h is gone from all but x86... next version it'll go away took |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | uaccess.h is the replacement |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.4.1-ppc-odw.patch |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | ppc patches |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | that should be x86 friendly |
| [08:01:00] | Cardoe: | but needs compile testing |
| [08:02:00] | sport|mov: | im soo lost |
| [08:02:00] | sport|mov: | LIRC |
| [08:02:00] | sport|mov: | !google lirc |
| [08:03:00] | Gumby: | hrm, my tv listings just disapeared. Ijust did a mythfilldatabase last night. that was strange |
| [08:04:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: zap2it sub expired? |
| [08:04:00] | Gumby: | Cardoe: nope |
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| [08:05:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: what'd you change? |
| [08:05:00] | Gumby: | I have full listings more than a week in addance after my update last night |
| [08:05:00] | Gumby: | have/had |
| [08:06:00] | sport|mov: | do i really need this LIRC thing |
| [08:06:00] | Gumby: | Cardoe: absolutely nothing. All I have done since the update last night is watch some recordings then delete them and watch livetv |
| [08:06:00] | sport|mov: | or can i just use myth tv to set the record time |
| [08:06:00] | Gumby: | unless mythfilldatabase ran in a cron job and zap2it was down |
| [08:06:00] | sport|mov: | and then i have a feature on my box that lets me scheduale recordings if i have a vcr |
| [08:06:00] | Gumby: | but shouldnt there be a failsafe in case of that? |
| [08:07:00] | Gumby: | just ran it again and all my listings are back.. strange |
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| [08:08:00] | sport|mov: | yea um |
| [08:08:00] | sport|mov: | this is my cable box |
| [08:08:00] | sport|mov: | http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/con . . . er4200HD.jpg |
| [08:09:00] | sport|mov: | or was it the 8200 |
| [08:09:00] | sport|mov: | damn its 3 am |
| [08:09:00] | sport|mov: | ill look in the am |
| [08:09:00] | sport|mov: | bbl |
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| [08:10:00] | Cardoe: | sri: patch? |
| [08:13:00] | kormoc: | if it's 3 am, isn't it the am? |
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| [08:14:00] | sport|mov: | true |
| [08:14:00] | sport|mov: | good point |
| [08:14:00] | sport|mov: | um kormoc |
| [08:14:00] | sport|mov: | Knopp Myth, where is there an iso |
| [08:14:00] | sport|mov: | i want to let it download overnight |
| [08:15:00] | mishehu: | I WANT TO SCREAM. |
| [08:15:00] | kormoc: | http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html |
| [08:15:00] | mishehu: | there is a file in /lib/modules named v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
| [08:15:00] | dtm: | mishehu: hi |
| [08:15:00] | dtm: | mishehu: what is that |
| [08:15:00] | sport|mov: | i couldnt find the down1oad on the site |
| [08:15:00] | mishehu: | ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
| [08:15:00] | sport|mov: | but ok |
| [08:16:00] | sport|mov: | 1o1 |
| [08:16:00] | sport|mov: | nvm |
| [08:16:00] | dtm: | mishehu: is the file unreadable as per permissions? |
| [08:16:00] | sport|mov: | i see |
| [08:16:00] | mishehu: | dtm: 644, root.root |
| [08:16:00] | mishehu: | I'm obviously inserting the ivtv module as root |
| [08:16:00] | kormoc: | ftp://ftp.csse.monash.edu.au/software/KnoppMy . . . ythR5A26.iso |
| [08:16:00] | Gumby: | mishehu: I know that sometimes the place where the firmware is grabbed from changes |
| [08:17:00] | mishehu: | Gumby: I'm trying to use ivtv 0.4.1 |
| [08:17:00] | sport|mov: | oh kormoc |
| [08:17:00] | Gumby: | /lib/firmware/ivtv-fw-dec.bin |
| [08:17:00] | Gumby: | /lib/firmware/ivtv-fw-enc.bin |
| [08:17:00] | sport|mov: | i dunno if u saw me write this b4 |
| [08:17:00] | sport|mov: | but will i be able to capture firewire without that remote thing |
| [08:17:00] | Gumby: | mishehu: firmware isnt usually located in /lib.modules |
| [08:17:00] | sport|mov: | just to test around |
| [08:17:00] | Gumby: | /lib/modules |
| [08:18:00] | sport|mov: | ill take that as a yes |
| [08:18:00] | mishehu: | Gumby: the ones I accidentally overwrote were in /lib/modules before, and it worked fine. |
| [08:19:00] | Gumby: | mishehu: seems like quite the strange place to have firmware modules to me |
| [08:19:00] | Gumby: | what distro? |
| [08:19:00] | closer: | for 0.4.1 it's moved to /lib/firmware as per convention |
| [08:19:00] | closer: | names have changed too... no longer ivtv-* |
| [08:19:00] | Gumby: | errr.. not firmware modules, its just firmware images... they arent modules. |
| [08:20:00] | Gumby: | at least not kernel modules |
| [08:20:00] | kormoc: | sport|mov, sure, but the ir blaster is how myth will change the channel, so you'll sorta be locked to one channel |
| [08:20:00] | mishehu: | closer: it was renaming them that got me ot overwrite them. |
| [08:20:00] | mishehu: | that is what caused my whole headache |
| [08:20:00] | closer: | you can go to the hauppauge website and download the _inf.zip file and you'll find Hcw* to rename and put in /lib/firmware |
| [08:20:00] | mishehu: | that and the fact that it is impossible to extract the firmware from pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip |
| [08:21:00] | Gumby: | mishehu: which directions are you following to install ivtv0.4.1? |
| [08:21:00] | closer: | go get the 150 inf file... it works on my system with 0.4.1 |
| [08:21:00] | closer: | it took me a while to realize the firmware as in the inf zip and not the exe driver archive |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | come on guys |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | try my 0.4.1 patches |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | :) |
| [08:22:00] | Gumby: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| [08:22:00] | mishehu: | Gumby: I was reading the changelog |
| [08:22:00] | Gumby: | Cardoe: what do they do :) |
| [08:22:00] | mishehu: | and the wiki for the firmware extraction |
| [08:22:00] | closer: | forget that shit... it's wrong as I discovered |
| [08:22:00] | sri: | so.. I seem to have gotten myself deeper into trouble somehow |
| [08:22:00] | sri: | I rebooted my box |
| [08:23:00] | closer: | the wiki seems a bit out of date and was getting actively spammed last I looked |
| [08:23:00] | Gumby: | mishehu: oh, so I suppose you read this..... |
| [08:23:00] | Gumby: | However, if the hotplug mechanism is used then the firmware directory can differ depending on the distribution. Usually it is /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. You can check this by looking for the file firmware.agent (usually found somewhere in /etc/hotplug, when in doubt try find /etc -name firmware.agent to find the file). Look in this file and you should see a line like this: |
| [08:23:00] | Gumby: | FIRMWARE_DIR=/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| [08:23:00] | sri: | and before it could load the cx8xx driver and now it fails to laod it... |
| [08:23:00] | sri: | yeah, in ubuntu dapper, hotplug is not used |
| [08:24:00] | sri: | so it's in /lib/firmware/<kern ver> |
| [08:24:00] | Gumby: | fileserver:~# cat /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent |grep -i firmware_dir |
| [08:24:00] | Gumby: | FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" |
| [08:25:00] | kormoc: | brb, picking up da redhead from da airport |
| [08:25:00] | mishehu: | grrrr |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: make ivtv work with ppc |
| [08:25:00] | Gumby: | I'm willing to bet if you put the proper firmware in one of those dirs that ivtv modules will load it |
| [08:25:00] | mishehu: | I moved these files into /lib/firmware already once, and it failed. second time it worked. |
| [08:25:00] | Gumby: | Cardoe: buy a real pc |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: but want to make sure it still works on x86 |
| [08:25:00] | mishehu: | I have a big headache now. |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: when you send me a system for free.... |
| [08:26:00] | Gumby: | Cardoe: thats about as likely as me making ivtv work with ppc |
| [08:26:00] | Gumby: | I have two old 386 laptops. want those? |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | guess what |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | it works |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | But I rewrote the patches to work no matter what |
| [08:27:00] | Cardoe: | rather then having to be applied when you're on PPC |
| [08:27:00] | Cardoe: | and I've been merging patches for PPC upstream for some time now |
| [08:27:00] | Gumby: | how is mythtv on ppc? |
| [08:27:00] | closer: | can you merge a patch so that the utils don't execve themselves foolishly and expect to be in your path? |
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| [08:28:00] | Gumby: | well, 12:30. work comes early. gnight, its be swell |
| [08:29:00] | closer: | cardoe: so what's the problem then? |
| [08:30:00] | closer: | where are your patches? |
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| [08:36:00] | Cardoe: | closer: http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.4.1-ppc-odw.patch |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/ivtv-0.4.1-uaccess.patch |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | the 2nd one is because a kernel header is gone for all but i386/amd64 |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | replaced by a new one |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | and the 2nd patch makes that change in the source |
| [08:37:00] | Cardoe: | the 1st one are ppc changes. |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | Gumby: pretty darn good. |
| [08:38:00] | ** sri does the "sound is working, and i hold the world in my FIST' dance" ** | |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | sri: what'd you do? |
| [08:39:00] | sri: | I think I just got the wrong driver in there |
| [08:39:00] | sri: | and I think I needed to reboot |
| [08:39:00] | ** sri doesn't want to touch it now ** | |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | ah |
| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | I basically need someone to take the patches |
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| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | compile them |
| [08:40:00] | Cardoe: | and run ivtv-detect |
| [08:41:00] | sri: | oh for godsake, the frontend doesn't work now. |
| [08:41:00] | sri: | this is tortue |
| [08:41:00] | sri: | er torture |
| [08:42:00] | closer: | cardoe: can do |
| [08:43:00] | closer: | I'm assuming you mean on x86 |
| [08:43:00] | Cardoe: | closer: si |
| [08:43:00] | closer: | no problema... 5 segundos |
| [08:49:00] | sri: | what! sound stopped working again. |
| [08:49:00] | closer: | the Makefile portion of the patches failed |
| [08:49:00] | Cardoe: | against 0.4.1? |
| [08:49:00] | sri: | I want to kill/smash someone/something |
| [08:49:00] | closer: | yep |
| [08:49:00] | closer: | my Makefile is basically empty... yours has a bunch of stuff |
| [08:50:00] | Cardoe: | utils/Makefile |
| [08:50:00] | Cardoe: | you're looking at just Makefile |
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| [08:52:00] | closer: | hmm. just a sec |
| [08:54:00] | closer: | oops. forgot -p0 |
| [08:59:00] | closer: | cardoe: seems to build and run aok |
| [08:59:00] | Cardoe: | great |
| [08:59:00] | Cardoe: | thanks |
| [08:59:00] | closer: | np |
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| [09:06:00] | sri: | okay |
| [09:06:00] | sri: | so if I reboot I get sound back |
| [09:06:00] | sri: | but as soon as my client connects the sound goes out |
| [09:07:00] | sri: | I had the same trouble when I had my client ask the backend to stream video-ts instead of ps |
| [09:07:00] | sri: | what sound is default? level 1 or level 2? |
| [09:07:00] | sri: | better yet, how do I get my mythfrontend be reset to default settings? |
| [09:08:00] | closer: | anyone tell me why I need to disable mmx for myth to build? |
| [09:08:00] | sri: | to clarify, when I asked it to send mpeg-ts, video driver got messed up |
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| [09:11:00] | linagee: | wow. i think there's so many re-runs on, my mythtv box is just ignoring everything |
| [09:20:00] | closer: | anyone else get: common.h:61: error: array type has incomplete element type, when building 0.18.1 |
| [09:21:00] | dtm: | linagee: lol |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | closer: gcc -dumpversion |
| [09:24:00] | sri: | yay! allworks |
| [09:24:00] | sri: | I was correct, using layer 1, with some really low bitrate screwed things up |
| [09:26:00] | closer: | I'm running 4.0.2 |
| [09:27:00] | kormoc: | welp, I'm off |
| [09:27:00] | Cardoe: | 0.18.1 won't work with gcc4 |
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| [09:27:00] | closer: | ah ok. |
| [09:28:00] | sri: | kormoc: later, and thanks for the help! |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | no problems |
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| [09:28:00] | robi: | hi – are there any australian users here? or anyone with some recommendations re: tuner cards for using myth in australia? |
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| [09:53:00] | sri: | how do you get the mythtv backend to stream a mpeg file to the frontend? |
| [09:54:00] | Hoxzer_: | it isn't doing it automaticaly? |
| [09:54:00] | sri: | well for live tv, not sure how to do it otherwise. |
| [09:55:00] | Hoxzer_: | I dont know about that but if it doesn't it sucks |
| [09:55:00] | sri: | heh |
| [09:55:00] | sri: | there is a mythvideo but that seems to only run on the client and it doesn't seem have an yprovision to get it from the backend. |
| [10:02:00] | sri: | I think I know what I have to do. |
| [10:03:00] | sri: | I'll have to mount the /videos area as a filesystem and then play it that way |
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| [10:36:00] | closer: | where can I find the cvsfixes patch I found mentioned on google for building with gcc4 |
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| [10:59:00] | Cardoe: | closer: http://svn.mythtv.org |
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| [11:12:00] | closer: | Cardoe: you still around? does 0.18.2 build with gcc4? |
| [11:13:00] | closer: | or do i need HEAD? |
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| [11:14:00] | Cardoe: | if they released 0.18.2 |
| [11:14:00] | Cardoe: | then yah |
| [11:14:00] | Cardoe: | didn't know there were tarballs for it |
| [11:15:00] | closer: | i'm pulling it from svn |
| [11:15:00] | Cardoe: | yeah that's the way to go |
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| [11:24:00] | sdog: | anyone knows about mythtv packkages in Ubunty Breezy ? |
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| [12:04:00] | PaulWay: | How's everyone tonight? |
| [12:06:00] | PaulWay: | Mmmm – busy watching TV, I'd say :-) |
| [12:11:00] | PaulWay: | Curse. Mythfrontend is chewing up ~90% CPU on an Athlon 2400 just playing back MPEG2 and I'd love to know why. |
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| [12:13:00] | laga: | PaulWay: no Xv, maybe? |
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| [12:19:00] | PaulWay: | Hmmm – possible. |
| [12:19:00] | PaulWay: | Unfortunately Kate is using it at the moment so I can't check. |
| [12:19:00] | PaulWay: | It's also possible that I've done something odd with unloading and reloading the nvidia packages underneath mythfrontend recently. |
| [12:20:00] | ** PaulWay goes and checks on what kernel modules are installed... ** | |
| [12:21:00] | PaulWay: | Maybe I just have to reboot it. |
| [12:21:00] | PaulWay: | I'd also love to know why the second TV card keeps on saying "No DVB signal" when I can assure it that the cable is well and truly plugged in and signal is getting to it. |
| [12:22:00] | PaulWay: | Is there any good way of upgrading the kernel using yum and having the correct kernel-module-nvidia package come down easily? |
| [12:22:00] | PaulWay: | I feel so hopeless with these things. |
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| [12:33:00] | PaulWay: | Thanks anyway, I'll look into Xv. |
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| [12:44:00] | HEAT: | testing |
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| [13:12:00] | Juski: | afternoon folks |
| [13:13:00] | laga: | morning Juski |
| [13:14:00] | Juski: | the snow is all gone :( |
| [13:15:00] | Juski: | just been shopping for food – it's beserk out there, as if no shops will ever open again |
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| [13:16:00] | Juski: | argh and this stupid ubuntu box has booted into 640x480 _again_ |
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| [13:17:00] | laga: | *snicker* |
| [13:17:00] | laga: | snow is melting here, fortunately. i hate slidingö. ;) |
| [13:17:00] | laga: | sliding* sorry, new keyboard ;) |
| [13:18:00] | Juski: | why on this earth would it sometimes boot with the right rez and not at other times? this is just silly now |
| [13:19:00] | laga: | duh, it's a computer. |
| [13:21:00] | t00m: | eeek, ö's! |
| [13:21:00] | laga: | ä. ü. just to be complete. |
| [13:21:00] | t00m: | what about the ß? |
| [13:22:00] | laga: | ß |
| [13:22:00] | laga: | here we go |
| [13:22:00] | t00m: | now i feel complete :) |
| [13:24:00] | Juski: | hmmm that ctrl-alt backspace has just dumped me out of gdm |
| [13:24:00] | Juski: | rebootski |
| [13:24:00] | Juski: | I hope people will like this theme after all the trouble I'm going to |
| [13:24:00] | t00m: | which theme? |
| [13:24:00] | laga: | the bad onme |
| [13:25:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [13:25:00] | laga: | darn keyboard! |
| [13:25:00] | Juski: | exactly |
| [13:25:00] | Juski: | what theme |
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| [13:26:00] | Juski: | www.juski.co.uk/pg-wide/ |
| [13:26:00] | t00m: | ah |
| [13:28:00] | Juski: | how long should an NFS share take to mount? every time this umbongo box goes to mount mine it takes about a minute |
| [13:28:00] | ** Juski considers FC4 ** | |
| [13:28:00] | t00m: | sounds like a timeout |
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| [13:28:00] | t00m: | mine's mounting instantly |
| [13:29:00] | laga: | Juski: try mounting with the async option |
| [13:29:00] | laga: | or with tcp only |
| [13:29:00] | Juski: | will do |
| [13:29:00] | Juski: | finally got my 1280x1024 back |
| [13:30:00] | Kel-kippin: | Juski.. dude. .please tell me your an alsa expert? lol |
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| [13:32:00] | ** Juski is a jack of all trades. Master of nothing ;-) ** | |
| [13:33:00] | Kelerion: | okies.. am trying to get digital input working.. and I spent 5 hours reading alsa docs, serching mailing lists and bashing the hell outta google last night.. got to bed at 5:30am! lol |
| [13:33:00] | Kelerion: | if I do this: "arecord -D hw:0,2 -fdat -d 5 > /video/sample.wav" on the backend – it records 5 seconds of wonderfully sounding audio from my sat box. |
| [13:33:00] | Kelerion: | so.. how do I get hw:0,2 as the default input in mythbackend? |
| [13:34:00] | Juski: | that poop guy was having bother with digital input recording.. thats why he went back to M$ I think |
| [13:35:00] | Juski: | will this mean you'll be able to record AC3 audio aswell? ;) |
| [13:36:00] | Kelerion: | yes! when I run that command I get beautiful surround |
| [13:36:00] | Juski: | turns out I still had "nv" as my video driver. duh & double duh |
| [13:36:00] | Juski: | now maybe xvmc will work |
| [13:36:00] | Kelerion: | it's running from an optical toslink and sounds great |
| [13:37:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: interesting |
| [13:38:00] | Juski: | erm... I've not used myth with a soundcard input, so I dunno on that score |
| [13:38:00] | Kelerion: | but for the life of me, I've tried various .asoundrc files but I can't get backend to use hw:0,2 as the default input |
| [13:38:00] | Kelerion: | and there is *nowhere* in the mythtv-setup for it either.. which sounds strange to me as there is in the frontend for output |
| [13:39:00] | laga: | what are you using for capture? |
| [13:40:00] | Kelerion: | CMI8738 sound card and a pvr250 |
| [13:40:00] | laga: | well, won't work then, i think. mythtv just grabs the audio stream off the pvr 250, you'd have to remux the resulting recording with your AC3 stream somehow. i think. i'm not an expert. |
| [13:40:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: myth will expect the audio to be coming from the 250 card |
| [13:41:00] | Juski: | expect to have to hack myth to enable that |
| [13:41:00] | Kelerion: | I was thinking about that.. but if I run a patch from the lineout to the linein on the 250.. I'll lose ac3 won't I? |
| [13:41:00] | Juski: | one of the galling things is that the audio codec on the PVR cards _can_ accept digital input – it's just not wired up |
| [13:42:00] | Juski: | or in the driver |
| [13:42:00] | Kelerion: | brb |
| [13:42:00] | Juski: | a year ago I would've said be happy with stereo – prologic surround is good enough. Now I know better ;) |
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| [13:44:00] | Juski: | okay.. I'm compiled mythtv with xvmc enabled (allegedly).. and I have xvmc installed, but the frontend complains it can't find libXvMC.so1.0 and I can't find it either |
| [13:44:00] | Juski: | *I've, not I'm |
| [13:46:00] | Juski: | ahh but in /usr/lib I've got libXvMC.so.1 and libXvMC.so.1.0.0 |
| [13:46:00] | laga: | ldconfig? ;) |
| [13:47:00] | laga: | Juski: ./configure should tell you which libxvmc it's linking against. ldd may be useful, too,. ldd `which mythfrontend |
| [13:48:00] | Juski: | XvMC support yes; XvMC VLD support yes; XvMC pro support no; XvMC libs -lXvMCW |
| [13:50:00] | Juski: | and ldd which mythfrontend gives me 'mythfrontend.. no such file' |
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| [13:53:00] | Juski: | hmm this must have been a config snafu at compile time methinks |
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| [14:01:00] | Juski: | uh.. well I know why livetv is breaking up now.... mythbackend is taking up to 40% CPU |
| [14:01:00] | Juski: | SI Table parser... |
| [14:02:00] | Juski: | sod that... it could keep me busy forever.. onwards with the thing... |
| [14:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I'm looking at that code right now :) |
| [14:05:00] | Juski: | oh yeah my feeble athlon 800 can't keep up with the DB being hammerred some 100 times/sec |
| [14:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I fixed that in mine yesterday |
| [14:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I was gonna add a cache/map so that each lookup occured at most once, and then I noticed that one was already there but wasn't being used |
| [14:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | UpdateEITList calls get_chan_id_db directly rather than GetChanID which caches it in a map and calls get_chan_id_db only if it doesn't have an entry already |
| [14:07:00] | Juski: | quick heads up here.. anyone think it's worth doing watermarks for the setup pages? or will everyone whine when it adds another meg to the theme? |
| [14:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | Of course I should just prefill the map |
| [14:08:00] | Juski: | knock yeself out if it'll keep CPU hoggage down ;) |
| [14:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well now I get 1 query every couple seconds until the map is "full" then none, so it lessens the load on the database and none of the overhead of constant queries |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm looking learning the ropes in there so I have a way to go to clean it up more |
| [14:11:00] | Juski: | I think updating the program table every 5 mins or so would be enough |
| [14:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | But if the tiny little processors in STB's can do it, surely this code could be more efficient. Especially since we have more ram for data caching |
| [14:11:00] | Juski: | typical STBs have like 64MB |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | All the ones I looked at were 16–32 |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | 64 would be sweet |
| [14:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:12:00] | Juski: | you could always apply that argument to channel changes too.. like how the hell do all those Freeview boxes flick more or less instantly? |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Same TS, different PID ? |
| [14:13:00] | Juski: | I think I have an idea, and they're never actually killing the playback.. just switching the demuxer |
| [14:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | no need to retune, just change the part you are grabbing |
| [14:13:00] | Juski: | exactly |
| [14:14:00] | Juski: | so you'd have _some_ channel changes taking the time it takes to get another lock, but that'd only be one in 5 or 6 zaps |
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| [14:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [14:14:00] | Juski: | and while we're at it.. grab the whole damn mux :D |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are people talking about that sort of thing on the -dev list |
| [14:15:00] | Juski: | I saw that a long time ago |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | started up again a week ago |
| [14:15:00] | Juski: | I'll try not to get too excited about that |
| [14:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:16:00] | Juski: | it's simple in theory |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | everything is in theory |
| [14:16:00] | Juski: | VDR does it though |
| [14:16:00] | Juski: | afaik |
| [14:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, but VDR doesn't have to be nearly as flexible as myth |
| [14:16:00] | Juski: | very true |
| [14:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | plus frankly the myth community has a much larger following so more people to bitch if some of that flexibility gets taken away |
| [14:17:00] | Juski: | there's a standalone PVR that seems to do it too |
| [14:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | just lookat all the complaints about no more livetv buffer directory heh |
| [14:17:00] | Juski: | yeh |
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| [14:18:00] | Juski: | and for everyone who isn't arsed about never seeing PiP again.. how many requests for stupid features like multiscreens? |
| [14:18:00] | Juski: | so you can watch _sixteen_ channels at once... er... |
| [14:19:00] | Juski: | hahaha.. for all the eating of CPU mythbackend's doing there's no data in the program guide |
| [14:19:00] | Juski: | but hey everything fits onscreen & looks pretty |
| [14:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | all of the time is spent just processing the SI/EIT info |
| [14:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | and since most of the data coming in isn't what you want it's wasting a lot of time |
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| [14:46:00] | Juski: | bah got a windows pc to fix now |
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| [15:03:00] | mjmac_: | hi everyone... i was in here last week moaning about how the samsung tuner in my newer-rev pvr-500 wasn't supported by ivtv... turns out it's close enough to the philips that it works with a few slight modifications in tuner.h, etc. |
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| [15:04:00] | Juski: | mjmac: that's awfully good news isn't it? :) |
| [15:04:00] | mjmac_: | so now i've got sesame street playing for the kid through the mediamvp. we're both happy. :) |
| [15:05:00] | ** Juski is pondering installing linux on this box.. be a laugh.. it'd certainly not get any more spyware on it :D ** | |
| [15:05:00] | mjmac_: | Juski: yeah, it makes me quite happy |
| [15:05:00] | laga: | Juski: ubuntu!!11 ;) |
| [15:06:00] | mjmac_: | Juski: i moved from win2k to linux for my desktop (been using linux for servers since forever) about two years ago. was running various versions of debian, now i'm running ubuntu. it just works, and unless you need games or something i doubt you'll miss windows. |
| [15:07:00] | mjmac_: | i have people using my laptop and desktop all the time who don't even suspect that it's not windows. |
| [15:07:00] | Juski: | they only went & installed fscking kazaa |
| [15:07:00] | mjmac_: | heh |
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| [15:08:00] | Juski: | the frontpage headline stories about people being sued for using such p2p networks must have escaped their attention |
| [15:08:00] | Juski: | 79p a download or run the risk of a big lawsuit.. hmmmm |
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| [15:13:00] | redline-: | any ubuntu users here recommend downloading the dvd or the just the cd? |
| [15:13:00] | Juski: | I just used the CD & found it fine |
| [15:14:00] | mjmac_: | redline-: if you have broadband, just the CD |
| [15:14:00] | redline-: | this is my first time, Im alittle nervous |
| [15:14:00] | redline-: | =P |
| [15:15:00] | mjmac_: | redline-: you can get a LiveCD, which allows you to play around without installing anything |
| [15:15:00] | mjmac_: | doesn't touch your hard drive at all |
| [15:15:00] | redline-: | like knoppix |
| [15:15:00] | mjmac_: | yep |
| [15:16:00] | redline-: | sweet d/l now |
| [15:16:00] | redline-: | im a gentoo user but i am curious |
| [15:17:00] | Juski: | and there's kubuntu for if you don't like GNOME |
| [15:17:00] | mjmac_: | Juski: is there a livecd of kubuntu? gnome's ok by me so i haven't really looked at it. :) |
| [15:18:00] | Juski: | if you're going with mythtv anyway how much would you be usuing the desktop? |
| [15:18:00] | mjmac_: | was that directed at me? |
| [15:19:00] | Juski: | whomever – just an observation.. I've seen both KDE & Gnome I can't choose one above the other.. but you know how some people are erm.. religious about it |
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| [15:20:00] | redline-: | im looking to try ubuntu because i started emerge kde last night at 11:30 pm est and almost 12 hours later i still have 30 packages to install |
| [15:20:00] | mjmac_: | i did install the ubuntu-server flavor on my myth box, just out of curiosity. normally i'd use straight debian for a server, but i wanted to see how ubuntu does it. the nice thing about using ubuntu is the stuff in universe/multiverse (which may or may not work on sarge). |
| [15:21:00] | Juski: | with gentoo you do the smart thing, not the ricer thing (i.e. use a packages CD) |
| [15:21:00] | Juski: | you can do a stage 3 install & get a working desktop in quite a short amount of time |
| [15:22:00] | redline-: | yea i could d/l package cd but would rather have fresh for now |
| [15:22:00] | mjmac_: | honest question... if you're not going to do the ricer thing, why would you use gentoo? |
| [15:22:00] | redline-: | what is the "ricer" thing? |
| [15:23:00] | mjmac_: | i've been a sysadmin for most of a decade, so to me, package management is key. never used gentoo, but i've always wondered what the attraction is. |
| [15:23:00] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [15:23:00] | ** Beirdo bitch-slaps gentoo ** | |
| [15:23:00] | mjmac_: | the best i can figure is that it's closest to freebsd |
| [15:23:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:23:00] | ** mjmac_ shrugs ** | |
| [15:23:00] | mjmac_: | to each their own |
| [15:23:00] | Beirdo: | I emerged mysql 4.1.14 last night |
| [15:23:00] | redline-: | you have th ability to customize each individual package installed threw the USE flag |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | asterisk this morning |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | kernel, glibc and perl still outstanding |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | I guess that covers pretty much the rest of this year |
| [15:24:00] | mjmac_: | redline-: how often do you feel the need to customize a package, though? |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | always |
| [15:24:00] | redline-: | Beirdo I started emerge kde at 11:30 pm est last night still got 30 packages to go yet |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | fun :) |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | I think I have around that too |
| [15:25:00] | mjmac_: | i use packages, but i've also learned how to (re)-build packages as needed (rarely) |
| [15:25:00] | redline-: | well wehn you do installs of the software and you want optimize it for speed and performance |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | and remove excess shit you'll never use |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | like openldap, X, etc |
| [15:25:00] | redline-: | i optimizes the code installed so that everything is faster |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | just because it CAN be used doesn't mean you want it installed |
| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | that's a bit of a fable |
| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | you optimize everything so you THINK it's faster |
| [15:26:00] | mjmac_: | i'm assuming that once you've emerged something once you can re-use it on other machines without rebuilding umpty-eleven times? |
| [15:26:00] | redline-: | well if not faster more stable because evwerything is compiled locally |
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| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | compiled locally doesn't mean stable either :) |
| [15:26:00] | redline-: | yes mjac |
| [15:27:00] | Beirdo: | it just means under your control |
| [15:27:00] | redline-: | the only way i know how to do something like that though is rsync |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | you could quickpkg it I would guess |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | then transfer that |
| [15:28:00] | redline-: | well the good thing is, is that qt and mysql already compiled |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | mysql was a dog |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't do qt on my asterisk box |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | God forbid |
| [15:29:00] | redline-: | yea, i should only have about 6 hours left now |
| [15:29:00] | redline-: | so you run the pbx from home or at work? |
| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | oh JEEZ |
| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | it wants to compile python too |
| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | at home |
| [15:30:00] | redline-: | you setup a bunch of digital phones around the house? |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | ATAs |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [15:30:00] | redline-: | nice! |
| [15:31:00] | redline-: | the wife and kids have there own extensions =p |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | ain't got wife and kids yet |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | working on the wife |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | just under 5 months to go |
| [15:31:00] | redline-: | Congrats |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [15:31:00] | redline-: | kids come fast after that |
| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | they might :) |
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| [15:32:00] | redline-: | I always said no to kids and then bang(no pun intended) it happened |
| [15:32:00] | redline-: | had just bought a new house too |
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| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | OK, emerge perl |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:32:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, we bought a house already |
| [15:33:00] | Kabutor: | emerge house |
| [15:33:00] | Kabutor: | emerge kids && emerge -C free-time |
| [15:33:00] | redline-: | that would be nice |
| [15:33:00] | Beirdo: | emerge --oneshot turd |
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| [15:34:00] | redline-: | emerge --FAST supermodel -female |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, maybe I should actually GO to work |
| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | what a waste |
| [15:34:00] | redline-: | emerge --FAST supermodel -female | direct to my lap |
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| [15:34:00] | Beirdo: | stupid half-days |
| [15:34:00] | Juski: | emerge --no-headaches |
| [15:35:00] | redline-: | ive been supposedly working from home these past couple of days |
| [15:35:00] | Juski: | I go back on the 3rd |
| [15:36:00] | Beirdo: | I should call my coworker see if he minds me staying home |
| [15:36:00] | Beirdo: | seems such a waste when I'll be coming home in 2.5h |
| [15:37:00] | redline-: | i got an hour and fifteen minute drive i hate having to go and come home |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | it's like 20min walk here |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | or 5 minutes in a cab |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | which my lazy ass will do today |
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| [15:45:00] | mjmac_: | how much storage do you guys have available to myth? i've got an old 40GB drive for a proof-of-concept, but i've been thinking about building a new box with more storage. |
| [15:46:00] | Juski: | got some 300GB available |
| [15:46:00] | Juski: | soon to be more |
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| [15:46:00] | jono: | hi all |
| [15:47:00] | mjmac_: | Juski: is that JBOD, or are you using some form of RAID? |
| [15:47:00] | Juski: | erm.. just on its own |
| [15:47:00] | Juski: | hiya jono: have a pleasant-ish xmas? |
| [15:48:00] | jono: | Juski, nice thanks, you ? |
| [15:48:00] | mjmac_: | hrm... i've been thinking of running 3–4 disks in RAID5. i'd be really annoyed if one dead disk took out the whole bloody show. |
| [15:48:00] | Juski: | jono: yeh best ever |
| [15:49:00] | jono: | how can I make mythtv use alsa? |
| [15:49:00] | Juski: | mjmac_: HDDs don't die very frequently, unless they're seagates (joke) |
| [15:49:00] | jono: | for some reason it needs /dev/dsp and my /dev/dsp seems to have gone awol |
| [15:49:00] | Juski: | jono: no idea |
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| [15:51:00] | mjmac_: | Juski: the more components you add to a system, the lower the MTBF value. that's just statistics. |
| [15:51:00] | mjmac_: | especially components with moving parts |
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| [15:52:00] | mjmac_: | didn't seagate just buy someone, or get bought? |
| [15:52:00] | Juski: | so I'll be just _fine_ with one 300GB HDD ;) |
| [15:53:00] | Juski: | seagate are buying Maxtor |
| [15:53:00] | mjmac_: | ah, yes |
| [15:53:00] | Juski: | which I'd be ok with, if Seagate didn't come so low in PCPro's reliability survey |
| [15:53:00] | Juski: | but it could work the other way – depends whose processes/tech they keep |
| [15:54:00] | mjmac_: | i don't know who to hate anymore... used to be WD, then Maxtor, then IBM (now fujitsu). :) |
| [15:54:00] | Juski: | Hitachi, not Fuji ;) |
| [15:54:00] | mjmac_: | right |
| [15:54:00] | Juski: | I test a _lot_ of HDDs at work |
| [15:54:00] | Juski: | never had any Samsungs yet.. they're reckoned to be very good |
| [15:55:00] | mjmac_: | which interconnect do you use mostly? |
| [15:55:00] | Juski: | PATA |
| [15:55:00] | Juski: | pio mode 4 :-/ |
| [15:55:00] | Juski: | which is ok cos we only write 6MB/sec to the HDD max. |
| [15:56:00] | Juski: | soon to move to SATA2 which'll be interesting in terms of cables falling out in transit |
| [15:57:00] | Juski: | moving from $0.20 connectors to $0.07 connectors – smart move, t13.org |
| [15:57:00] | mjmac_: | ah, ok. i bought a pair of sata barracudas for my desktop. running 'em RAID1. no problems so far. |
| [15:57:00] | ** mjmac_ crosses his fingers ** | |
| [15:58:00] | mjmac_: | heh |
| [15:58:00] | Juski: | well we get less than Maxtor's own failure specs, and that's with really dumb customers mouting our DVRs in silly places |
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| [15:59:00] | Juski: | so that's erm... less than 1% by volume shipped, per year |
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| [15:59:00] | Juski: | also not bad considering half the drives we ship arent rated for 24/7 operation |
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| [16:01:00] | Juski: | jono: did you ever sort out that issue with the PVR & DVB card working together? |
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| [16:05:00] | jono: | Juski, nope – I am trying to compile a new kernel and having trouble getting everything working |
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| [16:09:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, heya |
| [16:09:00] | _willcooke_: | Big man! Happy new year to you! (Albeit a bit early) |
| [16:10:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, I built a VGA -> Scart convertor. Man, you need one of those bad boys! |
| [16:10:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, happy new year too pal :) how well does the converter work? |
| [16:11:00] | _willcooke_: | Oh mate, compare composite to svideo |
| [16:11:00] | _willcooke_: | huge improvment. |
| [16:11:00] | jono: | how did you make it? |
| [16:12:00] | _willcooke_: | I've got a load of spares, cos I bought 10 of everything just in case (it worked first time) so I'm putting one together over the weekend, so I'll take some step-by-step piccys. I |
| [16:12:00] | Juski: | make me one :) |
| [16:13:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, how much does it cost to make one? |
| [16:13:00] | _willcooke_: | I'll post you a finished example, but you get no promises that it'll either work, or not turn your TV in to a fireball |
| [16:13:00] | Juski: | just kidding |
| [16:13:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, about a quid. Juski, I've got plenty of parts, so I dont mind |
| [16:13:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, I am happy to pay you for it :) |
| [16:14:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, Nah, money suggests some kind of service is being provided! All I might do is cost you a new tv! |
| [16:14:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, no laughing at my soldering "skills" |
| [16:14:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, :) |
| [16:15:00] | jono: | I want to improve the quality of my video coming in |
| [16:15:00] | _willcooke_: | Oh, wait... arse, I'v only got enough resistors for one more |
| [16:15:00] | _willcooke_: | Either way, I'll take piccys and provide a shopping list for maplins |
| [16:15:00] | jono: | awesome :) |
| [16:16:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, you take a feed from sky? |
| [16:17:00] | jono: | yeah |
| [16:17:00] | jono: | but the video is not as sharp as the original feed |
| [16:17:00] | jono: | when I plug it from the svideo out into the tv it looks fine, so I am assuming its an encoder thing |
| [16:17:00] | _willcooke_: | does the pvr-350 have rgb inputs? |
| [16:17:00] | Juski: | those PVR cards could take RGB in if Hauppauge had elected to do that |
| [16:18:00] | Juski: | or component ;) |
| [16:18:00] | _willcooke_: | but they dont? |
| [16:18:00] | Juski: | yep |
| [16:18:00] | _willcooke_: | so what is it then, svideo? |
| [16:18:00] | jono: | svid |
| [16:18:00] | Juski: | svid or composite |
| [16:18:00] | _willcooke_: | could be worse! |
| [16:18:00] | jono: | it looks clear, its just not as sharp |
| [16:18:00] | Juski: | you can configure the inputs of the codec to do it |
| [16:19:00] | Juski: | just set the right register ;) |
| [16:19:00] | jono: | do what? |
| [16:19:00] | Juski: | take RGB input |
| [16:19:00] | jono: | oh right |
| [16:19:00] | Juski: | or component |
| [16:19:00] | jono: | is there a way to make the svideo input sharper? |
| [16:19:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, you need to do that! ;) |
| [16:20:00] | Juski: | I've got a datasheet for the vid decoder somewhere |
| [16:20:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, does the sky box have any picture controls on it? |
| [16:20:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, is the cable any good? |
| [16:20:00] | _willcooke_: | perhaps something as simple as a sheilded cable would help, he says, knowing nothing about such things |
| [16:21:00] | Juski: | they normally _are_ shielded |
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| [16:21:00] | Juski: | and a couple of metres of cabling never screws with the signal that much |
| [16:23:00] | jono: | if I plug the sky box into my TV directly via an svid cable, it looks fine |
| [16:23:00] | jono: | so I assume its the PVR-350 that is the source of the degredation |
| [16:23:00] | Juski: | there's an ivtvctl for sharpness.. tried that? |
| [16:23:00] | jono: | is there? |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | yeh just like there's one for temporal smoothing |
| [16:24:00] | Juski: | for 'noise reduction' |
| [16:24:00] | jono: | which option is it? I can't see it in ivtvctl --help |
| [16:26:00] | Juski: | dnr thingies I think |
| [16:26:00] | Juski: | horizontal smoothing |
| [16:27:00] | Juski: | dnr_spatialamount of spatial (horizontal) smoothing (0..15) dnr_temporalamount of temporal (motion) smoothing (0..31) |
| [16:27:00] | jono: | hmm what does all that mean? |
| [16:27:00] | Juski: | horizontal smoothing... presumably it whacks a filter onto it to take out detail |
| [16:28:00] | Juski: | losing high frequencies |
| [16:28:00] | jono: | I assume that when I reboot, these settings are lost? |
| [16:28:00] | Juski: | think so |
| [16:29:00] | redline-: | man, what ever anyone does dont buy anything from Creative Labs store on Ebay, they are ridicoulous |
| [16:30:00] | redline-: | put an order in monday for an audigy 2 zs, they finally shipped it today, and wont be here till Jan 6 |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [16:30:00] | ** Juski wouldn't be seen dead with any creative labs shite ** | |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | it's Christmas time |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | most companies are shut down and you expected instant service from a company? |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | lower your expectations, dude |
| [16:31:00] | redline-: | well they had my order pending for 4 days after the christmas monday |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | I'd bet that the office was closed |
| [16:32:00] | redline-: | i put an order in to newegg for a Power supply monday and it was delivered yesterday |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | newegg abuses their employees, don't expect others to |
| [16:32:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:33:00] | redline-: | good i like people to get abused to provide me higher levels of service =P |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | so order from a third-world country and pay sweatshops |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | are YOU at work this week? |
| [16:34:00] | redline-: | no |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | see? :) |
| [16:34:00] | redline-: | and the power supply i got is froma 3rd world country sweat shop hehe |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | of course, they could just be slow as shit too |
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| [16:34:00] | Cardoe: | Creative Labs ebay store? |
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| [16:35:00] | Cardoe: | something tells me that's not Creative Labs corporate anyway |
| [16:35:00] | redline-: | even yahoo stores which really suck are faster than this transaction |
| [16:35:00] | Cardoe: | it's someone using the Creative Labs name. |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | it wouldn't surprise me if it was |
| [16:35:00] | redline-: | yea there ebay store |
| [16:35:00] | Cardoe: | and not getting sued |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | I know other corporations toss off shit on ebay |
| [16:35:00] | jono: | so do I use ivtvctl like this: ivtvctl -c dnr_spatial=0, dnr_temporal=0 – it doesnt work like that |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | like ATI, I think it was |
| [16:35:00] | Cardoe: | because Creative Labs has a bigger budget then Ebay stores |
| [16:35:00] | redline-: | Sun Microsystems does |
| [16:35:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: well they have their own online store. |
| [16:36:00] | Cardoe: | redline-: yeah for out of date shit. |
| [16:36:00] | Cardoe: | that they can't sell on their corproate store |
| [16:36:00] | Juski: | yeh but Sun treat their employees like shite too – I worked for em in 1995 |
| [16:36:00] | redline-: | I dont like the term out-of-date I preffer affordable =p |
| [16:36:00] | Beirdo: | they ARE a corporation after all, not a charitable organization :) |
| [16:36:00] | Juski: | outsource the manufacturing.. get the people being outsourced to train their replacements – yay! |
| [16:36:00] | redline-: | Sun is awsome to their employees |
| [16:37:00] | redline-: | I know 2 people that work for them and they love it |
| [16:37:00] | _willcooke_: | redline-, "Proven Technology" ;) |
| [16:37:00] | Juski: | I loved working there til they closed our plant down |
| [16:37:00] | redline-: | one works from his home and gets a $750 a month car allowance |
| [16:37:00] | _willcooke_: | Juski, you don't know Phil Sperry do you? |
| [16:37:00] | Juski: | I do actually |
| [16:37:00] | _willcooke_: | Well fook me! |
| [16:37:00] | redline-: | willcooke I like that one better |
| [16:37:00] | Juski: | now married to Kelly |
| [16:38:00] | _willcooke_: | I went to his wedding! |
| [16:38:00] | _willcooke_: | blimey! |
| [16:38:00] | Juski: | my flatmate was 'Scooter'.. omfg what a geezer he was |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | something tells me I'd rather fook Kelly |
| [16:38:00] | Juski: | almost murdered him |
| [16:39:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, dont suppose you have his address, we got a xmas card, but no address! |
| [16:39:00] | Juski: | Scooter, incase you don't know, was Kelly's boyfriend before Phil |
| [16:39:00] | _willcooke_: | I used to live with Phil at uni! |
| [16:39:00] | Juski: | no idea of his address – been out of touch for ages |
| [16:40:00] | Juski: | not that we got on that well after a night out.. we were dancing on tables, slapping him on the head whenever he was close enough |
| [16:40:00] | Juski: | small world eh |
| [16:41:00] | _willcooke_: | very much so! |
| [16:41:00] | _willcooke_: | well, should you see him, tell him to send me his address! |
| [16:41:00] | Juski: | will do.. can't imagine that happenning though – unless we both go to Pete's wedding next year |
| [16:42:00] | _willcooke_: | :) |
| [16:42:00] | Juski: | weddings.. not been to one since erm.. mine |
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| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | that scared ya off? |
| [16:43:00] | Juski: | nah – just not been to any |
| [16:43:00] | Beirdo: | whew :) |
| [16:44:00] | Kelerion: | back.. had an idea about this optical in.. tell me if this makes sense: |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | QA Notice: ECLASS 'portability' inherited illegally in sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050602 |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [16:44:00] | Juski: | dunno about it being the 'best day of your life' though.. kinda makes it sound all downhill afterwards |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:44:00] | Beirdo: | most stressful day of your life maybe |
| [16:45:00] | Juski: | nah.. the actual day whizzes past |
| [16:45:00] | Juski: | the booze sees to that ;) |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not gonna be drinking, personally |
| [16:45:00] | _willcooke_: | my mrs got so drunk at our wedding that she fell asleep before we'd left for the honeymoon. Great night I had. :( Still, I never have to do the hoovering ever again |
| [16:45:00] | Juski: | it'll still fly though |
| [16:45:00] | Beirdo: | we'll have no booze at the wedding at all |
| [16:45:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_: lol |
| [16:46:00] | Kelerion: | one sec. .the pvr250's audio input should be an alsa device shouldn't it? |
| [16:46:00] | Juski: | I ended up DJing at my wedding.. the guy being paid lots of money to play CDs was diabolical |
| [16:46:00] | _willcooke_: | always the way. We had a jazz band, who were excellent |
| [16:47:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: maybe not |
| [16:47:00] | Kelerion: | ahh crap.. there goes the theory then.. lol |
| [16:47:00] | Beirdo: | Kelerion: no. |
| [16:47:00] | Beirdo: | it embeds the audio in the MPEG stream |
| [16:47:00] | redline-: | zzzzzz emerge subversion |
| [16:47:00] | Beirdo: | emerge binutils :) |
| [16:47:00] | jono: | is there a way to reset the ivctl settings? |
| [16:48:00] | Kelerion: | ok.. but if I plug a cable into the line-in.. *thats* what gets embedded in the mpeg stream.. right? |
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| [16:49:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: yep |
| [16:49:00] | Kelerion: | the pvr 250 has two inputs. .an svideo and a 3.5m audio jack for line in.. those two combines is the resulting mpeg stream.. I presume |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | depends on how your inputs are setup |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | or the tuner |
| [16:49:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, could you rmmod and modprobe it again? |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | depending on how you tell it to capture |
| [16:49:00] | Kelerion: | so.. in alsa.. I should be able to say "get the optical in (hw:0,2) and overlay it over the line-in on the pvr-250".. right? |
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| [16:50:00] | Kelerion: | or..is there another way to tell mythtv to use hw:0,2 as audio part of the mpeg stream |
| [16:51:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: myth just takes the whole stream from the PVR card |
| [16:51:00] | Juski: | has anyone ever done hardware mods on those cards, I wonder... |
| [16:52:00] | Kelerion: | yup... thats what I figured.. so I have to re-route the audio (somehow) so myth's audio input is not from the pvr250's line-in but from a seperate optical |
| [16:52:00] | Kelerion: | which would be possible if the line-in on the pvr250 was an alsa device – which it ain't.. so there goes that plan.. lol |
| [16:53:00] | Kelerion: | *some* using mythtv must be using a pvr-250 and still manage to get digital input |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | I doubt it |
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| [17:04:00] | Juski: | the trick would be to get mythtv to record from the PVR250 with no audio, then mux audio into the recording.. not very easy |
| [17:05:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [17:06:00] | Juski: | maybe if you used the 250 as a framegrabber it'd be easier |
| [17:06:00] | Juski: | but _ouch_ |
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| [17:08:00] | jono: | what is a vbi mode? |
| [17:08:00] | warlord: | Is there some known problem with zap2it data direct service today? |
| [17:11:00] | warlord: | Hmm, looking at the irc logs, it appears as if I'm not the only one having trouble today. |
| [17:11:00] | _willcooke_: | warlord, someone said yesterday it was broken, don't know any more than that I'm afriad |
| [17:12:00] | tanq_: | so what is the backup if zap2it breaks.. |
| [17:12:00] | tanq_: | heh |
| [17:12:00] | warlord: | It's kind of bad that mythtfilldatabase will destroy your existing data before it notices that you have no new data. |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | Juski.. it would be easier (I think in theory) for the pvr-250s line-in to be an alsa device – then overlay whatever comes into the spdif over *that* alsa device and myth wouldn't know any different |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | that won't work |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | it won't? |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | oh.. lol |
| [17:13:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, Vertical blanking interval – something to do with teletext I think |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | as the way the PVR250 delivers audio is in the MPEG stream |
| [17:13:00] | Kelerion: | well.. it sounds good in theory.. lol |
| [17:13:00] | Beirdo: | NOT as a raw device |
| [17:13:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VBI |
| [17:14:00] | Kelerion: | but doesn't the encoder on the 250 just take whatever comes into the line-in? |
| [17:15:00] | Kelerion: | and over lay it ontop of the video that comes in from the svideo? |
| [17:15:00] | Kelerion: | I'm over simplifiying I know.. |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't overlay |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | it encodes it and mutliplexes it into the stream |
| [17:15:00] | Kelerion: | ok.. |
| [17:16:00] | Juski: | Kelerion: the card takes the audio then its own mpeg encoder uses it |
| [17:16:00] | Kelerion: | yeah.. I get that.. |
| [17:16:00] | warlord: | Beirdo: what about the ivtv yuv input? |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | I don't know how that's supposed to work |
| [17:17:00] | Kelerion: | ok.. I think I get what your saying Bierdo.. |
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| [17:17:00] | warlord: | It's just a framegrabber, effectively.. So it MIGHT be possible, when using the framegrabber mode, to hook the audio input into an alsa device.. But it would require more driver work. |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I dunno how the framegrabber stuff is supposed to behave in ivtv |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | I've never tried it |
| [17:18:00] | warlord: | i haven't, either. |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | and to my knowledge, myth don't support it |
| [17:18:00] | Beirdo: | if you are looking for a framegrabber, no need to spend the $$ on a PVR250, buy a cheapo card :) |
| [17:19:00] | warlord: | very true. I'm more interested in yuv output to the pvr350. |
| [17:20:00] | Kelerion: | so..as Juski said.. if myth was just passed an video only mpeg from the pvr.. couldn't myth (In theory I know it doesn't do it) mux in a seperate audio source? I know there'd be issues with timing and stuff |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | you could |
| [17:20:00] | laga: | i really wonder happened if you used a bttv card to record video and an alsa device with AC3 to record audio in mythtv... |
| [17:20:00] | Beirdo: | or you could do it externally |
| [17:21:00] | warlord: | laga: myth does not mux into mpeg in realtime |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | but I don't think myth will do that for ya now |
| [17:21:00] | Beirdo: | that would be exceedingly tough to get right |
| [17:21:00] | Kelerion: | nah.. I know it won't do it now.. just thinking aloud.. lol |
| [17:21:00] | warlord: | (I'm not sure what myth does with a bttv + ac3) |
| [17:21:00] | jono: | what are the best things to adjust with ivtvctl to improve sharpness? |
| [17:22:00] | Kelerion: | hey..does a dvb card have a seperate alsa device for audio? |
| [17:23:00] | Kelerion: | I've never used dvb |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | I think most DVB cards just capture the MPEG stream as is |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | including audio |
| [17:23:00] | Kelerion: | okies.. so just an OTA pvr250 then |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [17:23:00] | Kelerion: | +tuner |
| [17:23:00] | Beirdo: | DVB is ALREADY MPEG2 |
| [17:23:00] | Kelerion: | oh.. okies |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | you just need to capture the stream with no conversion |
| [17:24:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: know of any websites out there that tell me what stuff is available over the air? |
| [17:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | excatly. They just capture aqnd pass along |
| [17:24:00] | ** warlord plans to play with hd3k dvb in January. ** | |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | I used to know |
| [17:24:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: and we're talking this is HD content right? |
| [17:24:00] | Cardoe: | the stuff people are capturing over the air is HD? |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | generally :) |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | not with DVB |
| [17:24:00] | warlord: | Cardoe: some.. not all of it is HD. |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | with DVB, it's whatever's being sent |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | with HDTV cards (like hd3k), it's HD |
| [17:25:00] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | that captures ATSC |
| [17:25:00] | Cardoe: | I need to read on this DVB stuff |
| [17:25:00] | Cardoe: | so basically in the US |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | and maybe QAM from some digital cable |
| [17:25:00] | Cardoe: | if I stuck a DVB card in my computer |
| [17:25:00] | Cardoe: | I could capture what? |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | you'd need a satellite reciever to capture free-to-air sat |
| [17:25:00] | Cromz: | yum update = baaaaaaaaaaaaaad ( trying to sound like metalicops ) lol |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | err |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | a dish |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | the DVB card is the receiver |
| [17:26:00] | Cardoe: | free-to-air? |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:26:00] | Cardoe: | what's that? |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | most satellites have some unencrypted channels on em |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | or at least many do |
| [17:26:00] | Cardoe: | let's just say... I'm clueless about any of this stuff |
| [17:26:00] | ** warlord is hoping that hd3k QAM works with his cable system. ** | |
| [17:26:00] | Cardoe: | if it wasn't ivtv based cards |
| [17:26:00] | Cardoe: | from my basic cable subscription |
| [17:27:00] | Cardoe: | I ignored it. |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | for encrypted stuff, to do it legally and ethically, you need to use the sat receiver box, and capture from the analog outputs of the box |
| [17:27:00] | Cardoe: | now I'm curious at other options avail too |
| [17:27:00] | Beirdo: | so for DirecTV or Dish, you need to use their receiver or badly break the law (which we don't encourage or support) |
| [17:27:00] | warlord: | Beirdo: can't you capture from firewire out from the cablebox? |
| [17:28:00] | Cardoe: | how about CableCard? |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, that can be done with some cable boxes too |
| [17:28:00] | Cardoe: | CableCard 2.0 is gonna be good. |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | well, we'll see |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure they'll screw us somehow |
| [17:28:00] | warlord: | first we would need a PCI card with cablecard. |
| [17:28:00] | Cardoe: | don't some people just have rabbit ears? |
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| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | rabbit ears :) hehe |
| [17:28:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | I use rabbit ears with an HDTV card (unsupported in Linux) |
| [17:29:00] | Cardoe: | what's that capture? |
| [17:29:00] | Cardoe: | or is that not available in the US? |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | receive all the Buffalo HD stations fine in Toronto |
| [17:29:00] | warlord: | you can use rabbit ears with an hd3k for OtA ATSC |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | warlord: what about mpeg4 and rtjpeg? |
| [17:29:00] | Cardoe: | ok. Here's the issue. |
| [17:29:00] | Beirdo: | warlord: if the signal is good enough, yes |
| [17:29:00] | warlord: | laga: I dont use mpeg4 or rtjpeg, so... no clue. |
| [17:29:00] | Cardoe: | my apartment complex has an exclusive deal with this cable company from Minasotta (sp) |
| [17:29:00] | warlord: | Beirdo: true. |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | I have no way of getting another signal |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | other then DirecTV or DishNetwork |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | Which I don't want to get. |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | you in an urban area? |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | HDTV might work |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | I can't get the local cable company |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | depending on signal |
| [17:30:00] | laga: | warlord: right. ;) |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | I know we have HD |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | you could move :) |
| [17:30:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:30:00] | warlord: | my biggest issue with hdtv right now is that I have no HD display |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | I could. |
| [17:30:00] | Cardoe: | And I want to. |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | but money, etc... |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know the drill |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | Basically I get DirecTV signal |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | rebroadcasted |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | and it's not even local |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | how is that legal? |
| [17:31:00] | warlord: | And I have no idea what would happen if I sent an hdtv signal to a pvr-350 |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | It's from Minneasota |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | Because the company is from Minneasota |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | I dunno |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | aren't there local blackout laws, etc? |
| [17:31:00] | Cardoe: | well the DirecTV changes are unknown to me. |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | or is that just Canada's stupidities? |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | but like when local news comes on NBC |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | It's from up there. |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | and they have terrible signal too |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | Oooh, another blizzard in St. Paul... whooo cares? |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | exactly. |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | So basically I want to start grabbing stuff over the air. |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | the local stations |
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| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | and the guys at the local LUG just creamed themselves. |
| [17:32:00] | Cardoe: | because the last local station just upgraded to HD this month |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, HD3k would be cool if the signal is decent |
| [17:33:00] | Cardoe: | so everyone's excited. |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | which it should be |
| [17:33:00] | Cardoe: | Apparently all my local channels have HD |
| [17:33:00] | Cardoe: | except PBS |
| [17:33:00] | fordinal: | hello. i have problems with stopping user/transcode/commercial jobs. can anyone help me? |
| [17:33:00] | Cardoe: | so I basically want to replace the available channels for my PVR-150 & PVR-250 to record |
| [17:33:00] | Cardoe: | with over the air stuff |
| [17:33:00] | Beirdo: | PBS is usually the first to go HD |
| [17:34:00] | Cardoe: | or maybe PBS is HD |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | I'm kinda surprised :) |
| [17:34:00] | Cardoe: | and it's Fox |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [17:34:00] | Cardoe: | It might be Fox |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | that sounds more like it |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | fuck Fox |
| [17:34:00] | Cardoe: | I assumed PBS cause of budget |
| [17:34:00] | Beirdo: | heh, PBS in HD is sweet |
| [17:34:00] | Cardoe: | I don't understand how HD can go over the air but ok |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | it's encoded and transmitted |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | cause I thought bandwidth would be a bitch |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | don't worry about it |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | anyway |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | they managed |
| [17:35:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | heh |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | so grab a hd2k |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | er 3k |
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| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | remove PBS, NBC, etc from the allowed channels on my ivtv |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | add those channels to the hd3k |
| [17:35:00] | ** Beirdo waits for this latest emerge to finish ** | |
| [17:35:00] | Cardoe: | and I'm set/ |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | in theory, yep |
| [17:36:00] | ** Cardoe ponders where to get one cheap ** | |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | steal it from a "friend" |
| [17:36:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | I need sleep |
| [17:37:00] | ** linagee steals sleep from Beirdo ** | |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | mysql did that to me last night, too late |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | but at least 4.1.14 is behaving so far :) |
| [17:38:00] | fordinal: | I have problem with jobs in mythtv. I can BEGIN the job (also inserting into table jobqueue), but STOP is not functional. it only updates number of cmds of this job in table |
| [17:39:00] | linagee: | fordinal: why do you need something to tell you when a job is done?? |
| [17:39:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | fordinal: your job has to query the table and stop itself. the JobQueue has no way of sending a signal to your job other than updating the table so your job sees the command. |
| [17:39:00] | linagee: | fordinal: just run a script and do whatever at the end of the script. :) |
| [17:40:00] | Juski: | rrrright! back to the job in hand (so to speak) |
| [17:40:00] | Beirdo: | heya, Captain_Murdoch, long time no see |
| [17:41:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythcommflag and mythtranscode each check the table every so often looking for the JOB_STOP command and if they get it they stop. mythcommflag also supports pausing. |
| [17:41:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | hey Beirdo |
| [17:41:00] | ** linagee drinks a white sobe. mmmm... white sobe ** | |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | emerge big-headache |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | emerge water asprine |
| [17:41:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: white sobe is good, why the headache? |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:42:00] | Juski: | I've been emailed about adding a feature to my theme that's in other themes.. only thing is I cant find the feature... supposed to be a time indicator under the programme title in the guide.. only I can't see one – not even in the SVN themes |
| [17:42:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Young Coconut Juice... |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | I did an emerge --sync for the first time in... 5 months |
| [17:42:00] | linagee: | fordinal: jobs in mythtv are fscked up, but the good news is, most of them do run eventually. ROFL. |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: that's best straight from a coconut... YUMMMY |
| [17:42:00] | kormoc: | oh wow |
| [17:42:00] | Juski: | Beirdo: i.e. opened up Pandora's Box ;) |
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| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | my poor bitch of an asterisk box needs to recompile everything |
| [17:43:00] | Kelerion: | is it just my experience? or are framegrabber cards picture quality just not as good as a pvr250? or can it be as good with *really* good cables? |
| [17:43:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I agree! I love cooking with it as well tho, coconut encrusted prawns are just... heavenly. |
| [17:43:00] | Juski: | emerge -U world.. see you next year |
| [17:43:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: this is what asterisk@home is for. stable/compiled/gets you sleep. :) |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | A@H is yuck |
| [17:43:00] | linagee: | a@h is best! |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: at this point, it WOULD be next year |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | got gcc 3.4.4 done |
| [17:43:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: explain to me what is yuck about having guis and stuff already done for you |
| [17:43:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: what are the other HDTV tuners avail/ |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | so now I need to recompile EVERYTHIGN :) |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | there's the air2pc |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: guis suck |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | and A@H bastardizes the configs last I heard |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | and it installs mucho extra shite I don't want |
| [17:44:00] | linagee: | mmm... bastardizes |
| [17:44:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: space is cheap |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | the whole reason I'm using gentoo is to be very selective what's on this machine |
| [17:45:00] | linagee: | gentoo. lol |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | X shall never be installed |
| [17:45:00] | linagee: | no X?!? |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | no guis. ever |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | X and asterisk are a BAD mix |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | ask anyone in #asterisk |
| [17:45:00] | linagee: | whyso? |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | because X is a resource hog, and ruins your latencies |
| [17:46:00] | ** linagee asks in #asstricks. :) ** | |
| [17:46:00] | Juski: | bah.. whose idea was it to add a clock to the UI?.. more work |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:47:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: maybe if you're trying to do a million phone calls at once, but for @home? |
| [17:47:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: air2pc competes with hd3k? |
| [17:47:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: the most calls the box will probably handle at most is 4. |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: yeah. apparently a better card |
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| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: you use what you want. A@H is not going on my machine any more than knoppmyth will :) |
| [17:48:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: so why not try to get an air2pc rather then hd3k? |
| [17:48:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [17:49:00] | ** Beirdo looks forward to the glibc upgrade.. ** | |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | I'd rather have an air2pc, I think |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm not gonna bother |
| [17:49:00] | Cardoe: | so why'd you tell me to get an hd3k |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:49:00] | Cardoe: | and pcalchemy.com doesn't list either of them for sale |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | because I wasn't thinkign? |
| [17:49:00] | linagee: | gah i hate that. |
| [17:49:00] | linagee: | they won't change my oil on my car |
| [17:50:00] | ** linagee complains to mazda head office ** | |
| [17:50:00] | mjmac_: | linagee: why not? |
| [17:50:00] | linagee: | mjmac_: "full until tuesday" |
| [17:50:00] | warlord: | Beirdo: why do you think an air2pc is better than hd3k? |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | better design |
| [17:50:00] | mjmac_: | oh, oh... i read that as "they won't let me change my oil..." |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | if I remember right |
| [17:50:00] | linagee: | mjmac_: that sucks. i bet they only have half of their car bays used |
| [17:50:00] | linagee: | mjmac_: well that too. new car = proprietary everything |
| [17:50:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure that dopester80211 can elaborate if he's awake |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: they probably have half of them filled |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | because they only have 1/2 of the people there |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | you can't always get what you want exactly when you want it. |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | relax |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | and deal |
| [17:51:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: hah. and that is what really sucks |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: and you can change your oil |
| [17:51:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i work weekends and stuff for customers and they don't |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | it's not magical oil |
| [17:51:00] | mjmac_: | eh, can't be that proprietary. oil goes in somewhere, oil goes out somewhere |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | stop being a bitch |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | and get your ass out there |
| [17:51:00] | Cardoe: | and crawl under your car and change it |
| [17:51:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: actually, it is. lol |
| [17:51:00] | warlord: | well, i have 2 hd3k cards still in the box.. i'll let you know how it works for me. |
| [17:51:00] | linagee: | it is magic oil |
| [17:52:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: it's not 10W-30 |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [17:52:00] | Juski: | remove the crap-shield from the base of the chassis, then find the sump drain plug ;-) |
| [17:52:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: whoopy fucking do |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | go buy the oil, and do it yerself :) |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: it's called 5W-20 |
| [17:52:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: yes. can't get it at walmart. lol |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | That's what's standard on little ass Ford 4-bangers |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | I used Mobil-1 0W30 |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: Correct |
| [17:52:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i need to get the special oil filter wrench too |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: As do I |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | 0W-20 |
| [17:52:00] | Juski: | and tip the spoils all over a neighbour's car |
| [17:52:00] | mjmac_: | 0W30? where are you, Alaska? |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | you mean Beirdo |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | Canada |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | 0W30 |
| [17:52:00] | mjmac_: | aha |
| [17:52:00] | Cardoe: | wtf |
| [17:53:00] | ** Cardoe uses 0w-20 ** | |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | mobile 1 |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, but you are in Florida |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:53:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: plus it needs "servicing", so.. |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | you could use SAE40 |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: you don't need a special wrench |
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| [17:53:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: whatever that means. "your tires need changing, etc." |
| [17:53:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: yes, i do |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | stop being a bitch |
| [17:53:00] | ** mjmac_ is in maine... doesn't bother with anything lighter than 5W-30 ** | |
| [17:53:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: it's like 72mm or something |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: if it's a new car.. |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [17:53:00] | Beirdo: | pepboys, here you come |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | you don't need new tires |
| [17:53:00] | Cardoe: | your tires need rotating |
| [17:53:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: it's at the 30k mark |
| [17:54:00] | Cardoe: | mjmac_: well with fully synthetic it's always a lower number in front |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | is it an RX-8? :) |
| [17:54:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: so put new tires on |
| [17:54:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: better, mazda 3. :) |
| [17:54:00] | _willcooke_: | my dad always used to say "If it's got tits or wheels it'll cause you trouble" ;) |
| [17:54:00] | mjmac_: | Cardoe: yeah, i use mobil1, too |
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| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | the RX series are the only ones that REALLY need pampering |
| [17:54:00] | mjmac_: | _willcooke_: astute of him. :) |
| [17:54:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: exactly |
| [17:54:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: basically quit being a bitch |
| [17:54:00] | linagee: | _willcooke_: trouble? it's no trouble, it just costs money. :) |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | and don't cry to the "headquarters" |
| [17:55:00] | linagee: | _willcooke_: applies to both! lol |
| [17:55:00] | _willcooke_: | :)) |
| [17:55:00] | Juski: | just buy a bugatti veyron & have done with it |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | because they won't fix your car for you instantly. |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | because you're too lazy to go to a local shop |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | rather then the dealer |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | or hell |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | doing those basics yourself. |
| [17:55:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: but maybe they will extend the hours. i've had this problem with them being full almost every change |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | mazda 3's do not need a special wrench |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: no they won't |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | not for you |
| [17:55:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: 72mm wrench |
| [17:55:00] | Cardoe: | people have lives and families |
| [17:55:00] | Beirdo: | my boss services his own BMW 528 and his (now sold) Porsche 968 |
| [17:55:00] | Krazyleg1 is now known as Krazylegz | |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure you can handle a Mazda 3 |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: it does not need a special wrench |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | 72mm isn't a special wrench |
| [17:56:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: 72mm wrench, yes |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: care to ask how I know this? |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | just go buy the damn thing |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | it's not special |
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| [17:56:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: not something you can get at home depot or kragen, it's special. :P |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | sure you can |
| [17:56:00] | linagee: | ?? |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | home depot doesn't care car tools |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | and yes, you could fashion something from home depot |
| [17:56:00] | Beirdo: | if not, your hardware/tool stores suck ass |
| [17:56:00] | Cardoe: | it's not a special wrench |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | go to pepboys |
| [17:57:00] | Juski: | screwdriver & a hammer works well for my dad |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | go to advance auto parts |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | Canadian Tire :) |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: bingo |
| [17:57:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: yes, it is. read the mazda 3 oil changing howto. "you need the special 72mm wrench." |
| [17:57:00] | Juski: | turn, you bastard nut. turn! |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: WRONG |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: what year? |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | please |
| [17:57:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: 2005 |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | hahahah |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | because I have a Mazda 3 downstairs that the oil was just changed on |
| [17:57:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: you're at 30k miles on a 2005? |
| [17:57:00] | Beirdo: | "special" meaning "buy it from us so we can screw you over" |
| [17:57:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: my mazda 3 is better than your mazda 3 |
| [17:57:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: it's not a special wrench |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | if it's 72mm hex nut, just go buy one |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: I don't own a Mazda |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | silly Americans |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | I never said it was mine |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: no no. |
| [17:58:00] | Juski: | that's one bloody big nut though |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | don't label us |
| [17:58:00] | linagee: | Cardoe is stealing cars! ROFL |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: we don't accept him as one of ours |
| [17:58:00] | Beirdo: | it's the metric-adverse yanks :) |
| [17:58:00] | linagee: | Juski: the "nut" is actually a cap for the oil filter cart |
| [17:58:00] | Juski: | ah |
| [17:58:00] | linagee: | Juski: from how i understand it anyway |
| [17:58:00] | Cardoe: | yeah no nut is 72mm |
| [17:58:00] | mjmac_: | yeah, my jetta is like that |
| [17:58:00] | mjmac_: | 38mm |
| [17:58:00] | Juski: | length of chain, then |
| [17:58:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: well you need a 72mm wrench to open it |
| [17:59:00] | Juski: | or an oil filter gripper |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | you can get strap wrenches easy enough |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | it's called "adjustable wrench" |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | or strap wrench |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | whatever you wanna call it |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | and it fits |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:59:00] | linagee: | Juski: gripper won't work. it's a 72mm bolt head. i don't know of an adjustable wrench that opens that big |
| [17:59:00] | mjmac_: | autozone sells sockets... they prolly have a 72mm socket |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | 72mm |
| [17:59:00] | Krazylegz: | 72mm is HUGE. |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | does anyone understand how big that is. |
| [17:59:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:59:00] | Krazylegz: | We working on a train here? |
| [17:59:00] | Cardoe: | and how that's not possibly a socket |
| [17:59:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: 1) make oil filter cap with enormous wrench fitting. 2) sell oil change 3) ??? 4) profit!!! |
| [17:59:00] | Juski: | shit – for a thing that big you could make your own |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: your local gas station will do it for you |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | go get them to change it. |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | my friend has a 2004 Mazda 3 |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | note to self: don't buy Japanese Ford products |
| [18:00:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i've been to three mechanics already and they were too scared to change it |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | and I helped him change his oil yesterday |
| [18:00:00] | Juski: | wussies |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: where do you live? |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | retard-ville |
| [18:00:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: san diego |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | close enoug |
| [18:00:00] | linagee: | no, not retard ville |
| [18:00:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I really really want to point out... linagee is not one our ours. |
| [18:00:00] | linagee: | florida is retard ville |
| [18:00:00] | Juski: | now if it was your timing belt that needed changing I'd understand your hesitation |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | that's a few miles up the coast |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | LA |
| [18:01:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: one our ours? who |
| [18:01:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: one our ours? who |
| [18:01:00] | Juski: | take it to a dealer & prepare you wallet for them raping it |
| [18:01:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [18:01:00] | Beirdo: | bend over, here comes the 72mm wrench |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: he tried but they're too busy until Tuesday |
| [18:02:00] | linagee: | ROFL |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: so he wants to call corporate and whine |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: I'm gonna need your passport |
| [18:02:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: you need to set up an appointment like a week in advance so they can get the whine and cheese ready |
| [18:02:00] | Juski: | here's the sticking point.. and you get it _without_ any lube. how ironic would that be? |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | cause we don't want anyone to consider you an American Male |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | in fact. |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | surrender your balls at the door |
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| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | you sure he's not from Tijuana? |
| [18:02:00] | Cardoe: | we don't want anyone to confuse you for a male. |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | just kidding |
| [18:03:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: reason being? |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | now, I NEVER did service on my Accord myself |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | but that was because I was too damn lazy |
| [18:03:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: are you confused? |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | plain and simple |
| [18:03:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, is always confused |
| [18:03:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [18:03:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: crawl under there and get it done |
| [18:03:00] | Cardoe: | plain and simple. |
| [18:03:00] | Juski: | a mate of mine works at a VW dealer.. he says they've had loads of people in to get their cars 'fixed' coz its been so cold (the screenwash has frozen) |
| [18:03:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: can't |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | and open wide for the oil |
| [18:04:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: don't have their special service book. no idea what else they do at 30k |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | I remember changing the transmission gear oil in my dad's Volvo 1800 |
| [18:04:00] | ** linagee hacks into their service site ** | |
| [18:04:00] | Juski: | oil & filter change should do it |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | that was fun |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | SAE90 gear oil |
| [18:04:00] | ** mjmac_ hates the week in between xmas & new years. everyone takes the week off and web sites never work right. ** | |
| [18:04:00] | linagee: | Juski: i think they mess with the engine too |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | or was it SAE80? |
| [18:04:00] | linagee: | Juski: tuning via OBD-II? |
| [18:04:00] | Beirdo: | mjmac_: no new pr0n? |
| [18:04:00] | Juski: | ahh the old 'plug laptop in & reset the service counter... $100 for that please' |
| [18:05:00] | linagee: | Juski: ROFL. :) |
| [18:05:00] | mjmac_: | Beirdo: yeah |
| [18:05:00] | linagee: | Juski: that's what we do. :) |
| [18:05:00] | Juski: | the software & cables cost about the price of 2 services |
| [18:05:00] | Juski: | hmmmm |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | speaking of getting raped |
| [18:05:00] | linagee: | Juski: cables are cheap. software is what will kill you |
| [18:05:00] | Juski: | or not.. if you're good with rs232-rs485 converter chips |
| [18:06:00] | linagee: | Juski: even if you had the right software, the manufacturer always has software that will go one level deeper. :) |
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| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | WAIT |
| [18:06:00] | laga: | i had my car serviced and the bastards didn't reset the service counter. thank you very much. |
| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | Here's a BIG copy and paste from google! |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | here it comes |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: you ready? |
| [18:06:00] | ** Juski is sure he has a copy of VAGcom lying around ** | |
| [18:06:00] | Krazylegz: | I did the gear oil in the front diff on mine about a month ago. Used Red-Line MT-90. |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | As for getting the filter out... Just go to Wal-Mart or somewhere and get one of those 6 in 1 wrenches to go over the whole casing which is the same size as a regular oil filter. It will screw right out and the replacement cartrige comes out. It just all looks a little scary cause it's different from what we are used to. No big deal though. |
| [18:06:00] | Beirdo: | the emerge -pvt is under a page now |
| [18:06:00] | Krazylegz: | That's GL-4 SAE-90. |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | now get your ass to wal-mart |
| [18:06:00] | Cardoe: | and stop being a bitch |
| [18:06:00] | linagee: | Cardoe watches his walmart stock shoot up |
| [18:06:00] | Krazylegz: | Oh, the Mazda 3 has one of those cartridge filters? |
| [18:06:00] | linagee: | yes |
| [18:07:00] | Juski: | Cardoe: is that not mall-wart? |
| [18:07:00] | Krazylegz: | Heh. Hate those. Cobalt is like that too. |
| [18:07:00] | Beirdo: | ball-wart |
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| [18:07:00] | Juski: | called 'asda' over here.. (for why?) |
| [18:07:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:07:00] | Beirdo: | emerge python |
| [18:07:00] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
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| [18:08:00] | jono: | yo |
| [18:08:00] | linagee: | walmart is evil. they are still #1 on fortune 500 list yet their employees make table scraps. :) |
| [18:08:00] | Juski: | yo jono |
| [18:08:00] | Juski: | wow. there's a wiki about asda |
| [18:08:00] | Juski: | figures |
| [18:09:00] | Cardoe: | asda? |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: how do you think they got there? |
| [18:09:00] | Juski: | linagee: you don't become a fortune500 company by paying good wages... |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | make profit, underpay |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [18:09:00] | linagee: | Juski: LOL |
| [18:09:00] | Juski: | capitalism at work ;-) |
| [18:10:00] | Cardoe: | employees are the most expensive things. |
| [18:10:00] | Juski: | most valuable, yet most under-valued |
| [18:10:00] | Cardoe: | why do you think grocery stores are going for self-checkouts |
| [18:10:00] | linagee: | 1) Sell everything 2) pay people selling everything $0/hr 3) Dodge govt 4) ??? 5) Profit!! |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: the Microsoft model |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | you forgot the caveat on #1 |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | sell the CRAPPY version of everything |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | so people have to keep coming back to buy a new one |
| [18:11:00] | Juski: | btw jono, welcome back to #shopping ;-) |
| [18:11:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: 1) sell everything for a lot, but buy it cheap 2) Pay people selling everything $0/hr 3) Dodge govt 4) ??? 5) Profit!! |
| [18:12:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: walmart already sells everything. if they replace their workers with androids, they would be unstoppable. |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | except one thing |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | then the managers can't get blown in the back room |
| [18:13:00] | Juski: | if they replace their workers with androids, customer satisfaction would go thru the roof |
| [18:13:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: ??? |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:13:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: the managers get what? |
| [18:13:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [18:13:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo: You is being logged. :-P |
| [18:13:00] | ** Juski applies to be a walmart manager ** | |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | come on, you've seen some of the skanky women that work at Walmart |
| [18:13:00] | Juski: | damn. over-qualified |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | Krazylegz: I know |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:14:00] | jono: | heh |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | I run the logger :) |
| [18:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Exactly. |
| [18:14:00] | Juski: | bribes to Beirdo@whatever.com |
| [18:14:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: http://www.antennaweb.org |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: that's the one :) |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | I had forgotten it |
| [18:15:00] | Juski: | that reminds me.. did poop's comment make it onto bash.org? |
| [18:15:00] | jono: | when I watch tv and credits scroll across or up, it seems quite jerky and unreadable – is there a solution to making it clearer? |
| [18:15:00] | Beirdo: | nah, it got denied |
| [18:15:00] | linagee: | Juski: applying to be a walmart manager just to get blown? lol |
| [18:15:00] | Juski: | jono: thats that deinterlacing issue again fella |
| [18:15:00] | jono: | Juski, how do I solve that? |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | oh wow |
| [18:16:00] | Juski: | erm... use deinterlacing |
| [18:16:00] | jono: | I think I am |
| [18:16:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: with a small antenna I can get PBS,ABC,Fox digital |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | our house in PR should get decent HD too? |
| [18:16:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: with a medium I can also get CBS |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | now that's cool |
| [18:16:00] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [18:16:00] | Juski: | with a medium you can get more than just TV though |
| [18:16:00] | Juski: | ;) |
| [18:17:00] | Cardoe: | I dunno what small and medium are |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | the closest CBS they show is in the Virgin Islands |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, that'll work |
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| [18:17:00] | Cardoe: | closest NBC is 80 miles for me |
| [18:17:00] | Cardoe: | need a pre-amped antenna |
| [18:17:00] | Juski: | jono: you notice interlacing issues on stuff like scrolling (or crawling) credits most |
| [18:17:00] | Beirdo: | you must be in BFN |
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| [18:18:00] | Cardoe: | BFN? |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | butt-fsck nowhere |
| [18:18:00] | Juski: | with 'bob' de-int on my minimyth, it all looks as smooth as 'real' TV |
| [18:18:00] | jono: | Juski, so if I enable deinterlacing, should it get rid of them? |
| [18:18:00] | Cardoe: | well the local NBC blows. |
| [18:18:00] | Juski: | jono: yep |
| [18:18:00] | Juski: | or at the very least _reduce_ it |
| [18:18:00] | Cardoe: | It's a proven fact. |
| [18:18:00] | Cardoe: | it was NBC not Fox that was shitty |
| [18:18:00] | ** Cardoe forgot ** | |
| [18:18:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [18:19:00] | Cardoe: | I'm midway between Orlando and Jacksonville |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | your local NBC works at Walmart? |
| [18:19:00] | Juski: | only snag with bob is what it does to the GUI |
| [18:19:00] | jono: | whats the difference between the different de-interlace filters? does it depend on your tv? |
| [18:19:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: so I guess kind of BFE |
| [18:19:00] | Cardoe: | but the largest in-between town |
| [18:19:00] | Juski: | jono: depends on yer video driver & decode method I think |
| [18:19:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [18:19:00] | jono: | I am also using the kerneldeint,quickdnr filters |
| [18:20:00] | Juski: | bob works best for my DVB recordings |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: all the stations are under 5 miles from me. |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [18:20:00] | _willcooke_: | do you need to de-interlace then? Mine looks fine without |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: except like I said CBS |
| [18:20:00] | linagee: | minimyth? |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | which I know where they broadcast from |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | at our new house, the closest is a bout 27 miles... San Juan |
| [18:20:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_ you're outputting interlaced video over your RGB though ;) |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | they're way way way way way... in the NW of town |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | so it's over 10 miles |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | so I need a "medium" antenna |
| [18:20:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, are you not outputting interlaced over your svideo then? |
| [18:20:00] | Cardoe: | Cause I'm way way way South in town |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | oh wait, there's one in Bayamon too |
| [18:20:00] | Juski: | so that's _another_ advantage to using VGA to scart |
| [18:21:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_: don't think so – but then again maybe it is.. I use 720x576noscale |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, like we'll be able to receive from Ponce... over the mountains |
| [18:21:00] | jono: | does the gfx card tv-out need to support de-interlacing? |
| [18:21:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yeah. I just looked at the generated map.... |
| [18:22:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: all the stations are on campus |
| [18:22:00] | Cardoe: | except CBS |
| [18:22:00] | Juski: | jono: most TV outs don't do interlaced – and then it depends on the driver |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:22:00] | Cardoe: | which is BFE and a half. |
| [18:22:00] | Cardoe: | since we're not a huge town |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | at least you can just point one direction |
| [18:22:00] | Juski: | or rather they _do_ do interlaced output, but what goes into the TV encoder is still progressive |
| [18:22:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, ahh, so it's a limitation ov TV out |
| [18:22:00] | jono: | Juski, so does de-interlacing fix this? |
| [18:22:00] | Cardoe: | they probably have small antennas |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | violet – uhf WVXF 17 CBS CHARLOTTE AMALIE VI 106° 87.6 17 |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:22:00] | Juski: | more a limitation of the graphics driver and/or handware |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, dream on |
| [18:23:00] | Juski: | jono: it probably will |
| [18:23:00] | _willcooke_: | I was using interlaced on my svideo out and it looked alright. Hmm, ho hum, don't care now anyway! @) |
| [18:23:00] | Juski: | I tried interlaced modelines & it never seemed to make any difference |
| [18:23:00] | Beirdo: | and that isn't even marked as HD |
| [18:24:00] | Juski: | the driver usually spat something into the X log about the mode not being supported |
| [18:24:00] | Cardoe: | so... |
| [18:24:00] | Cardoe: | what do people recommend for a remote? |
| [18:24:00] | ** Cardoe needs a remote and IR receiver for the living room ** | |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | my fiancee would kill me if I put an antenna farm on the roof |
| [18:25:00] | Juski: | Cardoe: I've got a nifty OFA-6 (JP1 remote) & homemade receiver |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | ok |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | what, the shitty PVR250 remote not good enough for ya? |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | this is for the living room |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: it's in my room |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | this is in the living room |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | ah :) |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | my pvr-150 doesn't have a remote. |
| [18:25:00] | Juski: | I'll not have anything with the WIndows logo on in my livingroom |
| [18:25:00] | Cardoe: | it's a ghetto low profile |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | Juski: pvr250 doesn't have a windows logo |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: not even a dartboard? |
| [18:26:00] | Juski: | lol |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | there's a big requirement |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | it can't look like I made it. |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | it has to look nice. |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | and "professional" |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | xbox |
| [18:26:00] | Juski: | mine doesn't look like I made it |
| [18:26:00] | Cardoe: | and "proper for our decore" |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:26:00] | jono: | is the sky signal likely to be in widescreen format? |
| [18:26:00] | ** Cardoe shrugs. ** | |
| [18:26:00] | Juski: | jono: depends what channel |
| [18:27:00] | Juski: | most of them are still 4:£ |
| [18:27:00] | Juski: | 4:3 even |
| [18:27:00] | Cardoe: | this is the requirements "woman" put on me for putting shit in the living room |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | 4 to pound |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [18:27:00] | jono: | Juski, right, so the resolution stays to the pal res |
| [18:27:00] | Cardoe: | the PC can't be seen or heard. |
| [18:27:00] | Juski: | its all 720x576 anyway |
| [18:27:00] | jono: | its just that bbc news 24 tends to switch between wide and short screen |
| [18:27:00] | mjmac_: | Cardoe: thought about the mediamvp? |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: women are strange :) |
| [18:28:00] | jono: | bob de-interlacing seems to flicker and overlay a frame |
| [18:28:00] | Cardoe: | what's funny is I told her she sounds like my mother when I was younger |
| [18:28:00] | Juski: | nah.. they adjust the aspect of their content to fit 16:9 in my experience. clickonline is 16:9 but has black bars at the side |
| [18:28:00] | Cardoe: | "Children should not be seen or heard" |
| [18:28:00] | Juski: | jono: fields might be in the wrong order (!) |
| [18:28:00] | Cardoe: | mjmac_: well then I don't have any recording equip |
| [18:28:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, ooh? I was always told, children should be seen and not heard. |
| [18:28:00] | jono: | fields? |
| [18:28:00] | mjmac_: | Cardoe: got a basement? |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | at least you didn't say "Women should be seen and not heard" |
| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | you'd be so cut off |
| [18:29:00] | Juski: | jono: video is based on 25 frames per second. Each frame is 2 interlaced fields.. odd & even numbered lines in each respective field |
| [18:29:00] | mjmac_: | i put my backend in the basement... it's ugly as sin and pretty loud, but the only person it bothers is me, when i happen to be down there. |
| [18:29:00] | Juski: | Beirdo: they have gaffer tape for that |
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| [18:29:00] | Beirdo: | Juski: heheh. |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | nasty |
| [18:30:00] | jono: | Juski, can I fix those fields? |
| [18:30:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?products_id=106 <- wtf is that? |
| [18:30:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: oh yeah. seen and not heard. |
| [18:30:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: sorry |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | looks like a URL |
| [18:30:00] | Juski: | jono: that was a wild guess, so dont panic |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: looks like a DVB card |
| [18:32:00] | Cardoe: | for sat? |
| [18:32:00] | Juski: | with a CAM |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | with a CAM slot, yes |
| [18:32:00] | Cardoe: | so like you can put a DirecTV card in there? |
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| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:33:00] | ** mjmac looks at mjmac_ ** | |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | DirecTV isn't DVB |
| [18:33:00] | mjmac: | impostor! |
| [18:33:00] | ** mjmac kicks mjmac_ ** | |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | if you manage to get a CAM for Dish, you could use that, I guess |
| [18:33:00] | ** mjmac_ flails ** | |
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| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno how the CAM shit all works in North America |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm sure you will have no luck |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | (legally) |
| [18:33:00] | linagee: | what the fsck? |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:34:00] | ** linagee reads all data diy service for 30k. it has this big long "inspect" list, but nothing much more than that! ** | |
| [18:34:00] | Cardoe: | how the hell did you put on 30k miles in a year? |
| [18:34:00] | linagee: | inspect everything in the car, lubricate doors, replace oil/filter, rotate tires |
| [18:34:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: lol |
| [18:34:00] | Cardoe: | yeah the standard bullshit list. |
| [18:34:00] | Beirdo: | driving lots of trips into Mexico? |
| [18:34:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: that is BS! wtf. i thought they would do something more! |
| [18:34:00] | Juski: | shouldn't the tyres rotate with the wheels like? ;-) |
| [18:35:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: no. |
| [18:35:00] | Cardoe: | there never is. |
| [18:35:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: inspect everything. yep. car runs, brakes work (duh, how would you get there) |
| [18:35:00] | mjmac: | linagee: btw, i looked and looked just out of curiosity... i couldn't find a 72mm socket. supposedly the dealer might sell it if you pay their extortion-level price, though. |
| [18:36:00] | Fitzsimmons: | hi, anyone know why the TV recordings from myth are mono? |
| [18:36:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: they seem to call the air2pc card a hd5k |
| [18:36:00] | linagee: | well... we had this car run into our repair building! i guess their brakes don't work anymore! lol |
| [18:36:00] | Fitzsimmons: | I can get xawtv to do stereo |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | hmm? |
| [18:36:00] | Cardoe: | Fitzsimmons: what card? |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno anymore |
| [18:36:00] | Juski: | Fitzsimmons: prolly a crappy mono tuner |
| [18:36:00] | Fitzsimmons: | Winfast 2000 |
| [18:36:00] | Cardoe: | bttv? |
| [18:36:00] | Fitzsimmons: | Juski: I just said that I was able to get xawtv to do stereo |
| [18:36:00] | linagee: | mjmac: there is a third party that does not rip off as much as the dealer. it's like $5 or less, but i'm just too lazy / afraid i'll never use it |
| [18:36:00] | Fitzsimmons: | Cardoe: yes, but I'm using the newer driver |
| [18:37:00] | Juski: | yeh but is it _really_ stereo? as in.. can you hear any separation? |
| [18:37:00] | Fitzsimmons: | not sure TBH |
| [18:37:00] | Cardoe: | nfc then |
| [18:37:00] | Fitzsimmons: | in either case, I'd like stereo, whether fake or real ;) |
| [18:37:00] | linagee: | mjmac: and it's like.... if you overtighen the oil filter cap, wouldn't that seriously fsck up your entire car? |
| [18:37:00] | Fitzsimmons: | having it only coming out one speaker is annoying |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: no, only potentially the engine |
| [18:38:00] | linagee: | LOL |
| [18:38:00] | Juski: | Fitzsimmons: probably just a mixer setting then |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | I'm sure the back seat will survive |
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| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: you smoke something funny? |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:38:00] | newby: | hello folks |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: btw... I seem to be seeing air2pc > hd3k too |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: you have one? |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | just ivtv/ |
| [18:38:00] | Beirdo: | unfortunately not |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | just 3 * PVR250 |
| [18:39:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: i'm tempted to call the mazda service shop and ask if they fiddle with the OBD-II variables to tune the car or if they don't even do that... |
| [18:39:00] | Cardoe: | its out of my price range right now |
| [18:39:00] | Cardoe: | :9 |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | and I'm not gonna spend money on it right now |
| [18:39:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: haha funny |
| [18:39:00] | mjmac: | linagee: that's what torque wrenches are for |
| [18:39:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: ?!? |
| [18:39:00] | newby: | has anyone here had a Netgear Managed switch lockup while streaming video? |
| [18:39:00] | Beirdo: | Netgear? eek |
| [18:39:00] | ** mjmac kicks Netgear to the curb ** | |
| [18:39:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: let me guess, you need sophisticated equipment to do that and although they have it, that's a much more expensive service. lol |
| [18:40:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: I doubt they even bother |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | wonder if they download your engine history too to see if you were racing the engine :) |
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| [18:40:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: i'm sure they could in a newer car... :) |
| [18:40:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: it would be neat for them to indicate them on the thing they print out for you! :) |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | if it has ODB-II, you can pretty much bet they can |
| [18:40:00] | newby: | can anyone recomend a better switch? I tried a gigabit linksys too. no joy |
| [18:41:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: i'm sure as newer and newer cars come out, there are more and more hidden functions in OBD-II |
| [18:41:00] | topping: | howdy |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, like access to the GPS, etc |
| [18:42:00] | mjmac: | better put some tin foil on the dashboard |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | nah, just on yer nuts |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | nothing else is important |
| [18:42:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: do you think my car has GPS for cruise control even though i don't have the GPS flip up option? :) |
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| [18:42:00] | Cardoe: | I promise you they'll check download your engine history |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | it wouldn't surprise me if they put it in for lo-jack type of stuff |
| [18:42:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: it's funny. my aftermarket GPS shows my car like right on the dot for cruise control. stays within 0.1mph! :) |
| [18:43:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: lo-jack only tells the police where your car is, and the police have to actively search for it |
| [18:43:00] | newby: | what about hawking switches? |
| [18:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Beirdo: Have you looked at the ODB-III spec? |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [18:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Interesting. |
| [18:43:00] | topping: | linagee: my mazda is drive-by-wire on the throttle |
| [18:43:00] | linagee: | topping: model? |
| [18:43:00] | topping: | i'm almost 100% sure of it |
| [18:43:00] | topping: | mazda3 |
| [18:43:00] | linagee: | ??? |
| [18:43:00] | topping: | which includes the volvo s40 |
| [18:43:00] | linagee: | topping: are you sure? |
| [18:43:00] | Krazylegz: | Most new cars are DBW, I believe. |
| [18:44:00] | topping: | just the way it reacts coming off cruise |
| [18:44:00] | linagee: | topping: i had no idea mine was drive by wire. rofl |
| [18:44:00] | topping: | mazda3 as well? |
| [18:44:00] | linagee: | yes |
| [18:44:00] | topping: | haha |
| [18:44:00] | Beirdo: | stupid Ford products |
| [18:44:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [18:44:00] | topping: | have you added myth to your car yet? |
| [18:44:00] | Arkkis: | hey, after getting mythtv to work, I get prebuffering messages in the frontend and the image stops for a small time every time it prebuffers, I have both backend and frontend on the same computer |
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| [18:44:00] | linagee: | topping: no, but i have a PIE connected to my Lowrance 500C. :) |
| [18:45:00] | Arkkis: | this causes the image to be jaggy |
| [18:45:00] | topping: | i ordered it with the factory nav system because i wanted the fancy moulded screen |
| [18:45:00] | Arkkis: | oh, and it uses 100% of my 2gig processor, so something is not right |
| [18:45:00] | linagee: | topping: i tried it and it was a POS. :) |
| [18:45:00] | Beirdo: | Arkkis: the 100% is likely what's causing the prebuffering pauses |
| [18:45:00] | linagee: | topping: plus, sometimes i drive other cars. seems silly to get it molded into there |
| [18:46:00] | linagee: | topping: my lowrance 500C is at least 10x better |
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| [18:46:00] | topping: | i'm on the list for one of those sylfex boards |
| [18:46:00] | Arkkis: | Beirdo, okay, now how to figure out what's causing the 100% =) |
| [18:46:00] | topping: | i'm sure it is |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | top |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | for a start |
| [18:46:00] | topping: | i just wanted the disappearing screen |
| [18:46:00] | Beirdo: | turn off the deinterlace, etc options maybe in the playback |
| [18:46:00] | ** linagee checks for a new firmware ** | |
| [18:46:00] | linagee: | topping: messed with OBD diag connector on the mazda 3? |
| [18:46:00] | topping: | no, but i want to!! |
| [18:46:00] | Arkkis: | 25029 arkkis 16 0 289m 182m 30m S 55.7 7.2 3:50.93 mythfrontend |
| [18:46:00] | Arkkis: | that's on the top |
| [18:46:00] | topping: | linagee: have you? |
| [18:47:00] | linagee: | topping: nyet. :) |
| [18:47:00] | Arkkis: | hmm |
| [18:47:00] | Arkkis: | okay |
| [18:47:00] | topping: | linagee: are you in the bay area by chance? |
| [18:47:00] | linagee: | topping: san diego |
| [18:47:00] | linagee: | topping: do you have a PIE? :) |
| [18:47:00] | ** Beirdo throws a pie at linagee ** | |
| [18:47:00] | linagee: | heheh |
| [18:47:00] | linagee: | topping: i think there's like a mazda3 biker gang in bay area. |
| [18:48:00] | topping: | linagee: i'm gettting a sylfex |
| [18:48:00] | linagee: | topping: what's that |
| [18:48:00] | topping: | linagee: http://www.sylfex.com/ |
| [18:49:00] | linagee: | topping: ah, that one |
| [18:49:00] | linagee: | topping: PIE works pretty good too. |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | mmmmm,floor pie |
| [18:49:00] | linagee: | topping: yours might be more controlable with the track +/-, but there was no way to intergrate it into my GPS music anyway |
| [18:50:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: the PIE is hidden deep within the radio, underneath. :) |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm, pie! |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | mmmm, donut! |
| [18:50:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: just in case you need it throw throw at somebody! :) |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | emerging gettext. |
| [18:51:00] | linagee: | topping: it would be awesome to tinker with the mazda3's brain and say like, "right now i want absolute optimal fuel efficiency" or "full acceleration!" :) |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | "blow up my engine, NOW!" |
| [18:51:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: yeah right |
| [18:52:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: it has sensors and stuff to prevent that, and it's top RPM is like 6500rpm |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:52:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: although the gauge goes up to like 8000rpm or something. lol |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | craptacular engine :) |
| [18:52:00] | linagee: | topping: have you ever redlined it? lol |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | I want redline at 7000RPM |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | stated redline that is |
| [18:52:00] | topping: | linagee: yes, that's my goal for the OBD as well |
| [18:52:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: get a sports car. :P |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | with the real one at about 9000 |
| [18:53:00] | jono: | hrm, my mythvideo does not seem to use the entire tv and there is a black border around the edge |
| [18:53:00] | topping: | linagee: have you ever gotten it to 118mph? |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | it has a governor at 118? |
| [18:53:00] | linagee: | topping: does it max out?!? :-( :-< |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | how sucky |
| [18:53:00] | linagee: | topping: does it? |
| [18:54:00] | newby: | is it better to mount 1 main file which contains Video, Recordings, Music folders or to do seperate individual mounts of these folders over NFS? |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | I had my Accord V6 to 180km/h once by mistake |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | I remember the first time I hit 160km/h by mistake |
| [18:54:00] | mjmac: | "It was an accident, occifer! I shwear!" |
| [18:54:00] | linagee: | 180km/hr? how fast is that? like 45mph? |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | country road... behind a slow tractor doing 40km/h |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | pulled out to pass, pulled back in at 160km/h |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | 160km/h = 100mph, nitwit |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | learn some metric |
| [18:55:00] | topping: | linagee: yes |
| [18:55:00] | topping: | it sucks |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | pulled in, looked down and went "holy SHIT" and took my foot off the gas real quick |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:55:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, if it's playing via mplayer try adding -monitoraspect 16:9 to the end of that line |
| [18:56:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, first time I hit 120 mph in Vancouver with my canadian friends, they freaked out so much, cause they didn't realize how fast I was going till I said, welcome to top speed, and they noticed we were flying :P |
| [18:56:00] | linagee: | topping: ?!!? |
| [18:56:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: what do you drive again? |
| [18:56:00] | linagee: | topping: you're joking! |
| [18:56:00] | linagee: | bah |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: linagee made a funny |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | Cardoe: nah, just was acting like a yank |
| [18:56:00] | linagee: | topping: i'm sure the engine is capable of more than 118mph. lol |
| [18:56:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yeah but us Americans like making fun of the metric system |
| [18:57:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, its just all tv out |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | because yer the only people in the world too dumb to figure it out :) |
| [18:57:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, yeah, but I think mythvideo uses mplayer to play the videos |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | muhahaha |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, I love being an asshole |
| [18:57:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, you have got a wide screen, right? |
| [18:57:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, yep |
| [18:57:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: oh I understand it just fine |
| [18:57:00] | kormoc: | linagee, sadly, my car is able to do ~140, but there's a rev limiter that got enabled when I reset the comptuer to limit her to 120 and I havn't removed the limit yet :/ |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | but yeah, I was at 110mph or so |
| [18:58:00] | linagee: | topping: i heard it has a speed limiter to keep it above 90mph at all times. lol |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | at worst |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | and it had more oomph still |
| [18:58:00] | Cardoe: | I did 140mph in a company car before. |
| [18:58:00] | Cardoe: | with my girlfriend in the car |
| [18:58:00] | linagee: | kormoc: 140mph, going downhill! :) |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | then there was a friend who buried the speedo in an older Accord |
| [18:58:00] | jono: | is there a way to save the current ivtvcfg settings somewhere? |
| [18:58:00] | Cardoe: | and her dad was the boss |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | 240km/h |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | pegged |
| [18:59:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: speedo? |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | that was a fun ride |
| [18:59:00] | topping: | linagee: sorry, there was someone in the rool |
| [18:59:00] | topping: | room |
| [18:59:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: speedometer |
| [18:59:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, have you also got a "DisplaySize 400 225" in your xorg.conf (in the monitor section) |
| [18:59:00] | ** Cardoe used to work for Ford back in HS ** | |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | we were going across I69 in MI at the time... Flint -> Port Huron |
| [18:59:00] | ** linagee does not think of gauges when he heards speedo ** | |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | and he buried the needle |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | so fun |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | good thing no oinks caught us |
| [19:00:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, I think my display size is the pal res |
| [19:00:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: I got caught |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | over twice the limit... |
| [19:00:00] | linagee: | Beirdo: the planes will catch you. :) |
| [19:00:00] | Cardoe: | @ 140mph |
| [19:00:00] | Cardoe: | where the speed limit was 55mph |
| [19:00:00] | Cardoe: | but I out ran the cop |
| [19:00:00] | Cardoe: | I win |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | linagee: they were too busy catching the pickup truck that passed us |
| [19:00:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: you out ran a cop!? |
| [19:00:00] | linagee: | LMAO |
| [19:01:00] | Cardoe: | it was 1 mile to the exit |
| [19:01:00] | ** topping sets +o for Cardoe ** | |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | he musta been doing 230mph |
| [19:01:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, I /think/ you want your "mode" to be PAL size, but the DisplaySize sets it to "widescreen" |
| [19:01:00] | Cardoe: | in NY if you do twice the speed limit, it's an automatic go to jail ticket. |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | we were at 200mph |
| [19:01:00] | linagee: | topping: have you ever used your GPS to outrun cops? rofl |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | err. |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | let me calculate again |
| [19:01:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yeah |
| [19:01:00] | Arkkis: | ok, so turning deinterlacing off does not help on mythfrontend taking all of my cpu, what should I try next? |
| [19:01:00] | linagee: | topping: quick! turn left! right! left! left! lol |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | 150mph we were at? |
| [19:01:00] | Krazylegz: | 240kph = 150mph. |
| [19:01:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: do that... I understand metric... but you don't understand english |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | my brain doesn't understand math |
| [19:02:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, oh right |
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| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | but he FLEW by us in a pickup truck |
| [19:02:00] | Cardoe: | It was easier just to keep driving |
| [19:02:00] | topping: | linagee: hehe, that gps must have an intel 8080 in it or something. it's slower than burning pee |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | then my friend decided to slow down |
| [19:02:00] | linagee: | topping: eww. see, that's why i didn't like the factory gps |
| [19:02:00] | linagee: | topping: always try before you buy when it's that expensive. ;-) |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | the cop flew by us with the lights on about 1 min later when we were down to about 80mph |
| [19:02:00] | topping: | linagee: but the display... mmmm |
| [19:02:00] | topping: | goodness |
| [19:02:00] | linagee: | topping: mine's bigger. :) |
| [19:02:00] | ** Cardoe gives topping a tissue ** | |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | and then later we caught up to them and the truck... |
| [19:02:00] | t00m (n=tom@203-59-65-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) Quit (Connection timed out) | |
| [19:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | SUCKER! |
| [19:03:00] | topping: | mine won't attract window smashers |
| [19:03:00] | linagee: | topping: no? :) |
| [19:03:00] | linagee: | topping: who wouldn't smash a window for a factory GPS? |
| [19:03:00] | topping: | linagee: you have to know it's there |
| [19:03:00] | topping: | you really can't tell |
| [19:03:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, my DisplaySize seems to be set to DisplaySize 300 225 |
| [19:04:00] | linagee: | topping: what if i cover mine up and dress it up real pretty? |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | time to go home |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:04:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: then you're gay |
| [19:04:00] | linagee: | topping: so that way someone thinks it's something else? lol |
| [19:04:00] | Cardoe: | no pretty shit |
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| [19:04:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i am you insensitive clod |
| [19:04:00] | redline-: | hehe gentoo box has been up 13 hours and 6 min with an average load of 2.86 =p |
| [19:04:00] | topping: | linagee: ok, i'm not going to be able to convince you, that's okay... :-) |
| [19:04:00] | ** linagee kicks Cardoe in the nuts ** | |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | you all behave |
| [19:04:00] | Cardoe: | well since I went down this road |
| [19:04:00] | linagee: | topping: you'll take my lowrance 500C out of my cold dead hands |
| [19:04:00] | Cardoe: | might as well finish it off |
| [19:05:00] | ** Beirdo heads home. Gotta love half-days ** | |
| [19:05:00] | Cardoe: | I guess this explains why you can't change an oil filter |
| [19:05:00] | topping: | hey guys... i have a question... kind of unrelated to myth. i need a streamer for a party |
| [19:05:00] | Cardoe: | or get confused by simple car maintainence |
| [19:05:00] | topping: | i know that myth has RTP |
| [19:05:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: can't or just too busy |
| [19:05:00] | topping: | but i need something for music |
| [19:05:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, yeah, change that! |
| [19:05:00] | topping: | we have two DJs coming and a lot of gig-e all over the building |
| [19:05:00] | topping: | so we'd like to stream them without latency to avoid echo |
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| [19:06:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: imagine what the net effect of your words are |
| [19:06:00] | redline-: | topping can you setup an ftp site =p |
| [19:06:00] | topping: | any packages come to mind? |
| [19:06:00] | topping: | redline-: haha |
| [19:06:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: you'll piss me off, i'll end up changing oil filters meself, less money for breeders like yourself |
| [19:06:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, my modeline is ModeLine "720x576" 32.7 720 744 816 912 576 577 580 597 – does that look right? |
| [19:06:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: am I a car mechanic? |
| [19:06:00] | Cardoe: | nope |
| [19:07:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, sounds good. I don't get modelines, as long as it's 720 x 576 you should be fine |
| [19:07:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: like yourself i said |
| [19:07:00] | Cardoe: | that's fine |
| [19:07:00] | topping: | no ideas about good rtsp streamers? |
| [19:07:00] | topping: | isn't myth supposed to have rtp now? |
| [19:08:00] | jono: | I still need to figure out a way of saving my ivtvctl settings |
| [19:08:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, could you stick it in your gnome start up |
| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | jono: local |
| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | wtf |
| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | gnome startup? |
| [19:08:00] | Cardoe: | why? |
| [19:08:00] | linagee: | stick it in your gnome? |
| [19:09:00] | jono: | no I mean getting my current settings in a form that can be read in on a reboot |
| [19:09:00] | Cardoe: | local.start |
| [19:09:00] | jono: | no worries, I noted them in my wiki and I am rebooting |
| [19:09:00] | Cardoe: | look @ /etc/init.d/local |
| [19:09:00] | Cardoe: | depending on your distro |
| [19:09:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: what kind of car do you have? |
| [19:09:00] | jono: | lets see if this new DisplaySize fixed the border problem |
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| [19:10:00] | redline-: | Topping mythweb will do mp3 streams |
| [19:10:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: Ford product |
| [19:11:00] | redline-: | but... you have to click on each song |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: year/model? |
| [19:11:00] | topping: | redline-: i need to do a live broadcast |
| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | concept car |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: let me guess, an SUV |
| [19:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Probe! |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | It's really not important |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | !!! |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | it is |
| [19:11:00] | Cardoe: | but yes 2003 Ford Focus SVT |
| [19:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Hey, I love Fords. Tell me. |
| [19:11:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [19:11:00] | Krazylegz: | Awesome. I'm a fan. |
| [19:11:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, now my video is in a square in the middle of the screen |
| [19:11:00] | ** Cardoe used his A-plan ** | |
| [19:12:00] | linagee: | a-pan? |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | and other employee benefits |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | I used to work for Ford |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | If anyone says that the FSVT makes less horsepower than the Mazda3......I'll punch you in the mouth. |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | I got the car below invoice |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | 3-door? |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Cool. |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Fun car. |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | It's the ZX3 |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | basically |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | but SVT'd |
| [19:12:00] | redline-: | FSVT makes less horsepower than a mazda 3 |
| [19:12:00] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, but you get the SVT treatment. |
| [19:12:00] | ** Krazylegz punches redline- in the mouth ** | |
| [19:12:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: so wait, why do you have this thing against mazda if you worked for ford? rofl |
| [19:12:00] | Cardoe: | It cost me less then my roommate's basic Focus ZX3 |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | cause of my A-plan |
| [19:13:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, gis a look at your xorg |
| [19:13:00] | linagee: | redline-: * makes less horsepower than a mazda 3. :) |
| [19:13:00] | redline-: | hehe Hundai Tiburons rule! |
| [19:13:00] | _willcooke_: | .conf |
| [19:13:00] | linagee: | redline-: only real sportscars are faster. :) |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: I never said I had anything against Mazda |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | you did |
| [19:13:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, ok, one sec |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | The payments are a bit high on my college budget |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | but oh well. |
| [19:13:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: you were like, that japanese ford company! *remebers you waving fist* |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: no.. I didn't say that |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | someone else. |
| [19:13:00] | redline-: | what about subaru wrx? |
| [19:13:00] | linagee: | hm |
| [19:13:00] | Cardoe: | The car is worth a lot more then I owe on it. |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | I owe like $5000 on it. |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | $239 a month |
| [19:14:00] | redline-: | <== POS Pontiac Grand am 2004 498 a month! |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | hah |
| [19:14:00] | linagee: | 498! |
| [19:14:00] | linagee: | yikes |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | pwn'd |
| [19:14:00] | Krazylegz: | Ouch. I pay much less on my S4. |
| [19:14:00] | Cardoe: | I financed the whole thing |
| [19:14:00] | linagee: | redline-: you can still trade it in! lol |
| [19:15:00] | redline-: | I had a tiburon beofre this and took a beating on the trade in |
| [19:15:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, http://pastebin.ca/35303 |
| [19:15:00] | linagee: | redline-: 1) trade in car 2) lower monthly payments 3) ??? 4) Profit! |
| [19:15:00] | Cardoe: | I paid below invoice.. |
| [19:15:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: so you should sell it. :) |
| [19:15:00] | ** mjmac still tears around in his '97 jetta vr6 ** | |
| [19:15:00] | Cardoe: | and they had 4.9% interest w/ $2000 |
| [19:15:00] | Cardoe: | cashback |
| [19:15:00] | redline-: | 23k Owed car is worth 12k on trade in |
| [19:15:00] | Cardoe: | or 0% interest w/ $0 cashback |
| [19:15:00] | mjmac: | i hardly ever drive it, though, so it's only got 72k on it |
| [19:15:00] | Cardoe: | it was cheaper to do the 4.9% |
| [19:16:00] | Cardoe: | redline-: DAMN |
| [19:16:00] | linagee: | 4.9? hehe |
| [19:16:00] | ** linagee got 4.75! :o) ** | |
| [19:16:00] | ** topping got his mazda3 with no money down and $420 month ** | |
| [19:16:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: ok. I could have gotten less |
| [19:16:00] | linagee: | topping: 420? yikes |
| [19:16:00] | Cardoe: | but I got the cashback |
| [19:16:00] | topping: | erm, 4:20 |
| [19:16:00] | Cardoe: | I got $2000 off the top |
| [19:16:00] | linagee: | topping: mine is three hundred something and money down. :) |
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| [19:17:00] | Cardoe: | My sticker price is like $18k |
| [19:17:00] | redline-: | dont become a daddy like I did and have to trade in your nice fast sports car for a 4 door |
| [19:17:00] | Cardoe: | I paid $12k for the car |
| [19:17:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: $0 down btw |
| [19:17:00] | linagee: | redline-: mazda 3 is not a sports car! :) |
| [19:17:00] | topping: | they said "how much do you want to put down?" and I said "how much do i have to put down?" and they said, "well, nothing, really", and I said "that sounds great!" |
| [19:17:00] | topping: | lol |
| [19:17:00] | topping: | Cardoe: that's a steal for an SVT |
| [19:18:00] | linagee: | topping: but you end up paying more in interest. that's why they do that. lol |
| [19:18:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, Oh, so you're using the tv out as another screen along with the monitor |
| [19:18:00] | redline-: | pontiac had 3500 cash back which helped ofset my 9k difference in payment/trad-in |
| [19:18:00] | topping: | linagee: i didn't have enough to pay rent that month |
| [19:18:00] | linagee: | topping: fsck, they'd probably let most people take a million dollar car because they'd love the interest |
| [19:18:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, well I am happy to only use the tv screen if needed |
| [19:18:00] | linagee: | topping: and you have a mazda 3? heh |
| [19:19:00] | topping: | linagee: i don't get it |
| [19:19:00] | linagee: | topping: year? was it new or used? |
| [19:19:00] | topping: | 2004 ne |
| [19:19:00] | linagee: | w? |
| [19:19:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, I don't think you have to, but I dont know anything about these two screen setups! |
| [19:19:00] | topping: | y |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | topping: correct |
| [19:19:00] | jono: | hrm |
| [19:19:00] | Cardoe: | That's why it pays to work for Ford when you buy your car |
| [19:19:00] | linagee: | topping: have you ever read the "how to sync your mazda 3 to another remote control" thing? hehhe |
| [19:20:00] | Cardoe: | $9,100 for private party sale |
| [19:20:00] | topping: | linagee: where's that? |
| [19:20:00] | Cardoe: | $7,100 for dealer trade-in |
| [19:20:00] | linagee: | topping: it's like, open door, lock, close door, pat head, rub tummy, press remote button a few times. lol |
| [19:20:00] | Cardoe: | I owe $5000 |
| [19:20:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, does your tv copy whats on your monitor |
| [19:20:00] | linagee: | topping: there's some strange sequence it looks for to sync to a new remote |
| [19:20:00] | topping: | ohhh for the doors |
| [19:20:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: it's not strange |
| [19:20:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, well, nothing seems to display on my monitor |
| [19:20:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: hidden |
| [19:20:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, hmmmmmm |
| [19:20:00] | topping: | linagee: have you gotten the damn seat belt beeper to turn off? |
| [19:20:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: obscure |
| [19:21:00] | linagee: | topping: huh? |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | topping: turn the key 8 times |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | click seat belt in and out |
| [19:21:00] | linagee: | topping: you drive without a seat belt? |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | If i remember correctly |
| [19:21:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: illegal in california |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: illegal everywhere |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | I haven't done it |
| [19:21:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: well, everything is more illegal in california. lol |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | that was the trick on most Ford cars |
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| [19:21:00] | topping: | linagee: are you suddenly the seat belt police? |
| [19:21:00] | ** linagee arrests topping. :) ** | |
| [19:21:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, it might be worth just going with TV out on it's own, until we get it looking right |
| [19:21:00] | Cardoe: | topping: he'll report you |
| [19:21:00] | topping: | heh |
| [19:21:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [19:22:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, yeah, will try that |
| [19:22:00] | ** linagee goes to seatbeltreporting.com ** | |
| [19:22:00] | topping: | maybe i'll only turn the key seven times then |
| [19:22:00] | topping: | just in case |
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| [19:22:00] | linagee: | topping: not too many times! the engine will blow up! lol |
| [19:22:00] | topping: | seriously |
| [19:22:00] | Cardoe: | you don't start the car |
| [19:22:00] | Cardoe: | just turn it to run position |
| [19:22:00] | Cardoe: | just google it. |
| [19:23:00] | Cardoe: | it's available everwhere |
| [19:23:00] | topping: | 12k miles and the front suspension is already rattling |
| [19:23:00] | linagee: | topping: that fscking sucks. alldata doesn't have diagnostic info on the mazda3 |
| [19:23:00] | ** linagee asks for money back ** | |
| [19:23:00] | Cardoe: | 29k and everything is fine |
| [19:23:00] | linagee: | just lots of crap data. no diag data |
| [19:23:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: year? |
| [19:23:00] | ** topping goes to car to try key trick ** | |
| [19:23:00] | Cardoe: | except for the damn coke my girlfriend spilled on the seats before I scotch guarded them |
| [19:23:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: told you... 2003 |
| [19:24:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: ??? i have as many miles on my car and it's new? lol |
| [19:24:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: heck, i have 1k more than you. lol |
| [19:24:00] | Cardoe: | because you drive too much |
| [19:24:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i drive for work |
| [19:24:00] | Cardoe: | 12k is the average per year |
| [19:24:00] | Cardoe: | your car is considered over mileage |
| [19:24:00] | Cardoe: | some markets dealers use 15k for estimations |
| [19:24:00] | Cardoe: | most of Florida is considered 15k actually |
| [19:25:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: that's why i said, i need to mess with the car's computer and set it for gas sipper |
| [19:25:00] | Cardoe: | but like the entire NE of the country is 12k per year |
| [19:25:00] | Cardoe: | move closer to work? |
| [19:25:00] | Cardoe: | get a new job? |
| [19:25:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [19:25:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: work is all over. lol |
| [19:25:00] | Cardoe: | I would hate to commute that much |
| [19:25:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: i bet i use my GPS more than topping |
| [19:26:00] | Cardoe: | linagee: what do you do? |
| [19:26:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, hmmm, not sure how I can only have one screen now |
| [19:26:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: professional whore. i mean, consultant. :) |
| [19:26:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, does the ati driver support "ConnectedDevice" ? |
| [19:26:00] | Cardoe: | how do you service your clients? |
| [19:26:00] | linagee: | Cardoe: how don't we |
| [19:28:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, no idea, whats that? |
| [19:28:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, well, on the nvidia device you say "ConnectedDevice" "TV" and it tells it you've got a telly connected |
| [19:29:00] | jono: | hmmm |
| [19:30:00] | linagee: | topping: interesting. if you have your wheels aligned, you want to have your car empty? |
| [19:30:00] | linagee: | totally empty |
| [19:30:00] | sport|mov: | damn i wish they had a myth backend for mac osx |
| [19:31:00] | sport|mov: | but only a frontend |
| [19:31:00] | sport|mov: | :( |
| [19:31:00] | linagee: | the specs are different depending on how much fuel you have |
| [19:31:00] | linagee: | thus, weight is a factor |
| [19:32:00] | ** linagee needs to have new tires, alignment job, filters replaced, fluids changed. now THAT's a 30k service! :o) ** | |
| [19:32:00] | linagee: | not "inspect the car, duh" |
| [19:34:00] | jono: | right I am off for dinner |
| [19:34:00] | jono: | later all |
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| [19:34:00] | topping: | damn, that didn't work with the key |
| [19:34:00] | topping: | good try tho |
| [19:34:00] | linagee: | lol. you tried it |
| [19:35:00] | topping: | i fsking hate that beeper |
| [19:35:00] | linagee: | topping: did you forget to honk twice? :) |
| [19:35:00] | topping: | i seriously hate that beeper |
| [19:35:00] | Juski: | I'm trying "/change_subject" but it's not working... where did #mythtv-users go? |
| [19:35:00] | topping: | okay, let's talk about streamers |
| [19:35:00] | linagee: | streamers? |
| [19:35:00] | topping: | streeeeeaaaaammmmmerrrrrrrs |
| [19:35:00] | linagee: | hanging off the back of your car? |
| [19:35:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [19:35:00] | |Slurpee|: | newegg owns !!!!! |
| [19:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | i ordered a new cpu because i fried mine and less than 24 hours i have the package |
| [19:36:00] | topping: | recap: having a party, building has ethernet, want to have synchronized sound over ethernet |
| [19:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | i ordered at this time yesterday and it was at my place at 9 am |
| [19:36:00] | linagee: | |Slurpee|: how do you fry a cpu?! |
| [19:36:00] | linagee: | no heatsink? lol |
| [19:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | forgot the goo |
| [19:36:00] | linagee: | !!! |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | i got all my hardware in the mail |
| [19:37:00] | linagee: | the goo is the most important part! |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | and was all excited |
| [19:37:00] | Juski: | erm.. do CPUs not have protection these days? |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | and i tossed all the hardware up to see if it would boot |
| [19:37:00] | linagee: | Juski: not AMD. :) |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | since i bought a referbed drive |
| [19:37:00] | topping: | (is there a linagee university that i can go to? i suspect i would learn a lot) |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | yea i got a sempron 2800+ 64 bit chip |
| [19:37:00] | Juski: | a reeferbed drive? |
| [19:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | refurbed |
| [19:38:00] | |Slurpee|: | it was once broken and then fixed |
| [19:38:00] | |Slurpee|: | and sold for cheaper |
| [19:38:00] | linagee: | topping: yes. just send your tuition to my PO Box. :) |
| [19:38:00] | linagee: | topping: better yet, paypal me directly |
| [19:38:00] | topping: | you know about everything, it's totally worth it |
| [19:38:00] | Juski: | paypal id = the_school_of_hard_knocks@gmail.com |
| [19:39:00] | linagee: | lol |
| [19:39:00] | linagee: | Juski: don't do that! hehehe |
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| [19:39:00] | Juski: | hey if anyone's daft enough to do that, its their own fault |
| [19:39:00] | linagee: | topping: you mean like, don't settle for anything less than artic silver in heatsink grease? :) |
| [19:40:00] | linagee: | topping: get the best artic silver you can afford? :) |
| [19:40:00] | Juski: | like how can anyone have sympathy for folks who've been 419'd? ;-) |
| [19:40:00] | ** topping looks around for his micropayment password for every time linagee types something ** | |
| [19:40:00] | linagee: | LOL |
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| [19:40:00] | topping: | :) |
| [19:41:00] | linagee: | topping: i tried to hack my GPS, but i think they did something funny to the harddrive |
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| [19:41:00] | topping: | mine's dvd only |
| [19:41:00] | Juski: | "just pay me £1000 now, and I promise I will send you £10000000000". aha. right. call me cynical, but... |
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| [19:41:00] | linagee: | topping: uses a standard laptop harddrive, or so it looks |
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| [19:41:00] | topping: | but they did something to the DVD so apparently you can't copy it |
| [19:41:00] | linagee: | topping: was going to ghost it in case of theft or death |
| [19:41:00] | topping: | linagee: check out the threads on protected XBOX drives |
| [19:41:00] | linagee: | topping: (lets you store waypoints inside, but no way to back them up!) |
| [19:42:00] | Juski: | death from what? believing everything the GPS tells you? ;-) |
| [19:42:00] | linagee: | Juski: no, harddrives die. ;-) |
| [19:42:00] | topping: | you basically boot the box, let it unlock the drive, unplug the IDE, then copy it |
| [19:42:00] | linagee: | topping: write that down. :) |
| [19:42:00] | Juski: | or use an IDE bus analyser to capture all the IDE accesses :-D |
| [19:42:00] | linagee: | topping: interesting. sounds incredibly risky. lol |
| [19:43:00] | topping: | it's not really |
| [19:43:00] | sport|mov: | hmm |
| [19:43:00] | sport|mov: | hmmm |
| [19:43:00] | Juski: | you _can_ hotplug drives, but it's pretty ill-advised |
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| [19:43:00] | sport|mov: | hey |
| [19:43:00] | sport|mov: | umm |
| [19:43:00] | linagee: | Juski: i was going to dd image it, then i can hack from there. :) |
| [19:43:00] | linagee: | Juski: i don't even know what kind of CPU it uses |
| [19:43:00] | linagee: | intel probably |
| [19:43:00] | topping: | agreed, but it's the price to pay for unlocking the data on an xbox |
| [19:43:00] | linagee: | Juski: like just pull it off real quickly? lol |
| [19:43:00] | Juski: | the biggest risk comes from yanking the cable out while it's powered up.. the movement could do it in |
| [19:43:00] | topping: | dd is good if you can get into it |
| [19:44:00] | Juski: | if they've passworded the HDD firmware then you can't do that |
| [19:44:00] | topping: | xbox drives won't even show up unless you unlock the controller when it boots |
| [19:44:00] | laga: | Juski: do you have any idea what's up with mythtvtalk? |
| [19:44:00] | topping: | and only the xbox has the key to it IIRC |
| [19:44:00] | linagee: | i tried laptop harddrive to USB thingy to computer. i think my usb harddrive thingy might have been dead |
| [19:44:00] | Juski: | laga: I just assumed Coume had taken it off to update something |
| [19:44:00] | linagee: | either that or they used the iopener type harddrive thing where the top and bottom rows are reversed |
| [19:45:00] | linagee: | not sure how to know that.... (multimeter? heh) |
| [19:45:00] | laga: | Juski: so do i, just checking |
| [19:45:00] | linagee: | hard part is, they have the harddrive epoxied to the back of the unit |
| [19:45:00] | linagee: | so, i can't even see the manufacturer label |
| [19:46:00] | Juski: | hey fixing that windows PC paid off today – was given a bottle of Jack Daniel's as thanks :) |
| [19:47:00] | Juski: | fixing = cleaning all the spyware off & uninstalling kazaa |
| [19:47:00] | linagee: | time to go on my route of fixing computers. :) |
| [19:47:00] | linagee: | later all |
| [19:47:00] | laga: | Juski: wanna share? ;) |
| [19:47:00] | ** Juski DCCs some JD over ** | |
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| [19:47:00] | Juski: | DCC_decanter |
| [19:47:00] | linagee: | fsck |
| [19:47:00] | linagee: | i have 13 calls |
| [19:47:00] | laga: | Juski: thanks *burp* |
| [19:48:00] | linagee: | 13 people that all want their computer fixed, and there's traffic all over san diego all day long |
| [19:48:00] | linagee: | and people like to leave early. bah |
| [19:48:00] | Juski: | better pack some spare drinks holders then |
| [19:48:00] | laga: | get a real job ;) |
| [19:48:00] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [19:48:00] | linagee: | stupid people. stay at your work 24/7, would make it so easy for me |
| [19:49:00] | linagee: | i have a real job |
| [19:49:00] | laga: | SCNR. i don't work at all ;) |
| [19:49:00] | Juski: | my motto is: no matter what, look busy |
| [19:50:00] | Juski: | "I'm compiling.. jeeeeez" |
| [19:50:00] | ** linagee is a full time employee with full overtime benefits and everything. "benefits" lol ** | |
| [19:50:00] | ** linagee must work a million hours a week ** | |
| [19:50:00] | _willcooke_: | when does stuff auto expire? I thought it would only expire recorded stuff if it was running out of space. There's stuff I recorded at the start of the week that I watched a bit of, that now dont appear in my watch recorings bit |
| [19:50:00] | Juski: | that works? I've had recordings fail cos of full disks |
| [19:51:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_: you using xfs by any chance? ;-) |
| [19:51:00] | _willcooke_: | shit. yes. |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | Juski: well, you probably don't have auto expire set ;). |
| [19:51:00] | ** Juski chuckles ** | |
| [19:51:00] | laga: | my disks are full as well, but i'm too lazy to clean them up so i hope auto-expire works :) |
| [19:51:00] | linagee: | is there a way to solve the traveling sales man problem? |
| [19:51:00] | _willcooke_: | whats that all about then?! I heard xfs was a good choice |
| [19:51:00] | Juski: | seen quite a lot of queries about lost recordings & xfs |
| [19:51:00] | linagee: | does google have a thing for that? |
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| [19:52:00] | _willcooke_: | bollocks |
| [19:52:00] | laga: | Juski: that's weird. |
| [19:52:00] | Juski: | power goes out... folks do an fsck.. and still stuff goes AWOL |
| [19:52:00] | linagee: | america waiting online? |
| [19:53:00] | Juski: | last time I built a kernel for my main backend system, menuconfig said xfs was 'experimental' |
| [19:53:00] | _willcooke_: | oh bloody hell. So, I'll be reinstalling my master backend then |
| [19:53:00] | ** laga has never had problems with xfs, though ** | |
| [19:53:00] | laga: | i think ;) |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | there might be stuff in the log if it was autoexpired though (you'd think) |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | ah yeh.. cos if the files were just going missing, mythtv would still show them as being there |
| [19:54:00] | Juski: | in the list |
| [19:56:00] | Juski: | is there any way to get putty to store colour preferences for different hosts? |
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| [20:03:00] | linagee: | if someone had a program that did the traveling salesman problem and used old traffic history, i'd pay like $100 for that! :) |
| [20:04:00] | tclhal: | Hi , i have a question about using the pvr-350 for tvout (ivtvdev). When I configure xorg to use ivtvdev it displays mythtv but when I play something it plays in the background. I have mythtv configured to use the 350 decoder. If don't use the 350's decoder then playback audio is not found because My system's sound isn't working yet. |
| [20:05:00] | tclhal: | Is there a way to use ivtvdev and the 350's decoder together and have playback in the foreground? |
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| [20:19:00] | kcody: | hello... |
| [20:20:00] | kcody: | having trouble finding docs for the TV Wonder Elite on Linux |
| [20:20:00] | kcody: | is there support? |
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| [20:23:00] | Juski: | http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=650 ;– you decide ;) |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | emerge gentoo-sources time |
| [20:24:00] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
| [20:25:00] | Juski: | kcody: looks like it uses their 'theater' chip, so it's a big fat luscious |
| [20:25:00] | Juski: | 'NO' |
| [20:26:00] | Juski: | but there are worse ways to waste $100 |
| [20:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | yo |
| [20:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | im ready to thermal goo my cpu |
| [20:26:00] | |Slurpee|: | anyone wana help ? |
| [20:26:00] | kcody: | ahh damn |
| [20:27:00] | kcody: | anyone working on supporting it? |
| [20:27:00] | kcody: | looks like one of the better chips to me |
| [20:27:00] | Juski: | erm.. if ATI can't be arsed I don't see why anyone else will |
| [20:27:00] | Juski: | |Slurpee|: get Toms_rice_ware site up – they've got guides for that kinda thing |
| [20:28:00] | kcody: | the gatos folks bothered with the original rage theatre |
| [20:28:00] | Juski: | yeh and look where that is now |
| [20:28:00] | kcody: | about 99% i'd say; i wouldn't expect non-X capture to work with that design |
| [20:29:00] | kcody: | overlay worked great until they merged with x.org |
| [20:29:00] | kcody: | what's the url for that toms_rice_ware ?? |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | go over to tvcards.com/messageboard & see how many happy ATI users there are |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | kcody www.tomshardware.com |
| [20:30:00] | Juski: | the trick with the goo is to use a little, spread very evenly. more goo can be as bad as no goo |
| [20:31:00] | rjune: | wow, that sounds wrong |
| [20:31:00] | Juski: | nope.. you can overdo it |
| [20:32:00] | rjune: | I know. |
| [20:32:00] | Juski: | maybe I exaggerated |
| [20:32:00] | rjune: | the terminology, not the sentiment |
| [20:32:00] | rjune: | just a little goo, and spread it evenly. |
| [20:33:00] | kcody: | hehe... get ya mind out of the gutter, rjune, lol |
| [20:33:00] | Juski: | and if you use brand X of goo, you'll get 0.05% more frags or whatever |
| [20:33:00] | rjune: | my mind is not in the gutter, it's in the sewer were it belongs |
| [20:33:00] | ** Juski sings "every goo is sacred" ** | |
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| [20:34:00] | kcody: | rofl |
| [20:34:00] | rjune: | heh, and for every drop that's wasted! |
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| [20:35:00] | Juski: | and don't forget.. everytime you spread the goo, a kitten dies somewhere |
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| [20:36:00] | Juski: | best clean it up or I'll be heading for bash.org |
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| [20:36:00] | Coume: | hi all |
| [20:37:00] | Juski: | hiya Coume... been fix-um-ating the forums? ;) |
| [20:37:00] | Coume: | don't talk to me about it :( I just turned it on again... |
| [20:38:00] | |Slurpee|: | yooo wtf?!?! my brand new cpu chip has a piece of material stuck in the pins !! |
| [20:38:00] | Juski: | |Slurpee|: you got any tweezers around? |
| [20:38:00] | |Slurpee|: | im not sure |
| [20:38:00] | |Slurpee|: | but i really dont feel safe going newhere near a chip with tweekers |
| [20:38:00] | Juski: | you can use a pin or something.. like a sewing needle kinda thing |
| [20:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | this has happened before ? |
| [20:39:00] | Juski: | best to clean it up before you solder it into the motherboard |
| [20:40:00] | Juski: | |Slurpee|: yep.. that cheap & nasty antistatic foam they use... |
| [20:41:00] | |Slurpee|: | its in there good |
| [20:41:00] | |Slurpee|: | there was 2 in there |
| [20:41:00] | |Slurpee|: | and i got 1 out no problem |
| [20:41:00] | |Slurpee|: | but ther oether is reallyin there |
| [20:41:00] | Juski: | tweezers will be your best bet, honestly |
| [20:42:00] | kcody: | ok... juski, thanks for the tip about the tv wonder elite... i'll keep looking to see if anyone has a project (or two separate mergeable projects) |
| [20:43:00] | kcody: | but now i have to genericize the question if i want to watch tv anytime soon: |
| [20:43:00] | _willcooke_: | can you clear a cut list from a recording with out going in to that recording? I've got a "mal formed cut list" and it wont let me play it in order to edit the cut list |
| [20:44:00] | kcody: | what's a good consumer level card, that i can go into a store and buy, that does not rely on an external sound card |
| [20:44:00] | kcody: | preferably with hardware mpeg-2 but a budget card would be fine |
| [20:44:00] | Juski: | kcody: PVR150 |
| [20:45:00] | kcody: | compusa carry it? under an odd name maybe? |
| [20:45:00] | kcody: | and does it have the analog processing stuff (3D comb filter, hardware deinterlacing) |
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| [20:45:00] | Juski: | no 3d comb filter, but a very good one nonetheless |
| [20:46:00] | kcody: | so theatre 550 is probably the only chip out there that does the same analog processing that higher end televisions do |
| [20:46:00] | Juski: | yep |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | Juski: did you actually play with all the dnr settings of the ivtv driver? |
| [20:46:00] | Juski: | laga: I've not got an ivtv card yet |
| [20:46:00] | kcody: | thanx juski... |
| [20:46:00] | Juski: | said I'd get one when I'm done theming, and er... |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | Juski: oh, ok |
| [20:46:00] | kcody: | tough tradeoff: buy a pvr150 and run it, vs buy a tv wonder elite and hit the text editor |
| [20:46:00] | Juski: | I read too much about stuff |
| [20:47:00] | Juski: | with propriatary kit like ATI's it's a catch-22 situation regarding Linux drivers... there's a whole market they can tap into if they support it... but if they have nobody who wants it, why bother? |
| [20:48:00] | kcody: | yeah... yet they do have (seemingly) fantastic support for 3D and Xv output |
| [20:48:00] | Juski: | its their own chip too, so they could do the development themselves. they've already got bloody MCE drivers for it |
| [20:48:00] | kcody: | all-in-wonder is a clusterfuck of a design (capture hw sharing the agp bus that's owned by X) |
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| [20:49:00] | kcody: | but a high end tv wonder would be most welcome in a myth system |
| [20:49:00] | Juski: | well I doubt it's _all_ theirs, but they at least have all the development knowledge |
| [20:50:00] | Juski: | even Hauppauge are getting in on the game now |
| [20:50:00] | Juski: | helping the ivtv & v4l guys out |
| [20:50:00] | kcody: | cool of them... yet i do really want to see ATI dive in... i don't think there's any question that they make superior hardware |
| [20:50:00] | Juski: | you never know.. maybe everyone else will cotton onto it aswell |
| [20:51:00] | kcody: | how hard can it be to interface to a hardware encoder.. especially when the tuner/grabber has to be a derivative of something that's already partially supported |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | yeh – it's the software that lets em down |
| [20:51:00] | kcody: | yeah, always has been... also why nvidia gets away with performance compromises, their software rocks |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | kcody: in _theory_ it's not hard, but it could take a long time |
| [20:51:00] | Juski: | snoop on the bus, see what's going on.. work out which bit does what... |
| [20:52:00] | kcody: | i type 100wpm and read c/perl/bash like it's english... if there's a framework i can follow, then i can do it |
| [20:52:00] | kcody: | something architecturally similar |
| [20:52:00] | Juski: | you'd have to start by taking the windows drivers to bits |
| [20:53:00] | kcody: | decompile and disassemble you mean... then trace through it assigning names to the variables |
| [20:53:00] | Juski: | yeh _and_ snoop on the AGP bus to help work out what's going on |
| [20:54:00] | kcody: | too bad there isn't support for secondary myth backends on windows boxen lol |
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| [20:54:00] | redline-: | windows sucks, i wish they would port directx over so I could be done with windows forever |
| [20:55:00] | laga: | redline-: cedega? ;) |
| [20:55:00] | Juski: | someone _is_ doing that though |
| [20:55:00] | kcody: | windows sucks beyond anything else that has ever sucked... but it's unfortunately the most popular development platform for entertainment apps |
| [20:57:00] | tanq_: | yeah.. entertainment apps that cost $$ |
| [20:57:00] | kcody: | do the hardware-encoding cards tend to be implemented as standalone kernel v4l drivers? |
| [20:58:00] | Juski: | the V4l & directX video capture APIs cant be _that_ far apart.. I mean theyre both doing basically the same stuff (he said rather naively) |
| [20:58:00] | kcody: | lol yeah... well that's the point... "we pledge allegiance to the tax collectors of the corporate states of america..." |
| [20:58:00] | redline-: | Laga that looks promising! |
| [20:58:00] | Juski: | kcody: for hardware encoders there's erm.. ivtv.. and erm... ivtv.. and even ivtv supports hardware encoders. it has to be said that some stuff can be done in v4l now |
| [20:58:00] | kcody: | where the 0th item on the bill of rights says "corporations have the right to increasing profits at any cost" |
| [20:59:00] | tanq_: | are there any filters for myth that help with ghosts? |
| [20:59:00] | Juski: | ghosting problems? get a better antenna/feed |
| [20:59:00] | Juski: | thats the only way to deal with em |
| [21:00:00] | kcody: | tanq_: or maybe an exorcist... (j/k) |
| [21:00:00] | laga: | what does j/k mean? ;) |
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| [21:00:00] | laga: | just kidding? |
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| [21:00:00] | tanq_: | yeah |
| [21:00:00] | ** Juski needs more wine ** | |
| [21:00:00] | laga: | oh, ok |
| [21:00:00] | ** kcody is a bourbon man. ** | |
| [21:00:00] | tanq_: | beef up on your internet acromania |
| [21:00:00] | tanq_: | heh |
| [21:01:00] | tanq_: | let see.. |
| [21:01:00] | laga: | tanq_: hey, i just did ;) |
| [21:01:00] | tanq_: | what else can i do with mythtv |
| [21:01:00] | tanq_: | hrrm. |
| [21:01:00] | tanq_: | i'm trying to tweak this as much as i can before i put it in my living room |
| [21:01:00] | tanq_: | i have the music, newsfeeds, web browser |
| [21:02:00] | tanq_: | ahh.. the photo gallery |
| [21:02:00] | laga: | i'm watching a 16:9 movie on my 4:3 display. what zoom mode should i use? "4:3 zoom"? |
| [21:02:00] | tanq_: | well really you're going to lose aspect ration |
| [21:02:00] | tanq_: | ratio |
| [21:03:00] | tanq_: | unless it chops off the sides |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | i don't care as long as angelina jolie in "tomb raider" looks good :) |
| [21:03:00] | tanq_: | get gia |
| [21:03:00] | tanq_: | =0 |
| [21:03:00] | Juski: | use "tits:zoom" then |
| [21:03:00] | tanq_: | she looks the best in that movie with antonio banderas |
| [21:03:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [21:04:00] | tanq_: | can you think of any good plugins worth coding up? |
| [21:04:00] | Juski: | like we were saying the other night.. we really need fleshtone detection so we can skip the plot |
| [21:04:00] | tanq_: | hah |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | tanq_: mythburnrecordingsontoDVD ;).there's already a project going on, though. mythburn-ui |
| [21:04:00] | laga: | Juski: just get some pron. |
| [21:05:00] | Juski: | get into the VBI stuff & use the parental guide stuff in reverse |
| [21:05:00] | tanq_: | yeah i need to setup the share for videos off the net |
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| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | i've never seen mythburn-ui until now. |
| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | or heard about it |
| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | is there some underground forum for these plugins.. google never returns anything except the standard plugins |
| [21:06:00] | laga: | it's quite unknown. just google it. it's based on the mythburn scripts |
| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | yeah i found it already |
| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | need to get an HD dvd burner |
| [21:06:00] | tanq_: | that would own |
| [21:07:00] | tanq_: | hd discs are 30Gb |
| [21:07:00] | tanq_: | i wonder what that translates to time wise |
| [21:07:00] | Juski: | 30GB of MPEG4.. hmmm |
| [21:08:00] | tanq_: | 30 minutes |
| [21:08:00] | tanq_: | oh no.. |
| [21:08:00] | tanq_: | its like 1mb per minute right |
| [21:08:00] | tanq_: | somewhere around that for single layer |
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| [21:21:00] | roalt: | hi |
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| [21:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | brand new box isnt gooting |
| [21:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | boot |
| [21:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | ne1 wana help ? |
| [21:28:00] | |Slurpee|: | cant get get to the bios but all fans turn on |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | |Slurpee|, wow... |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | new proc? |
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| [21:30:00] | |Slurpee|: | yea |
| [21:30:00] | |Slurpee|: | i got the new cpu in |
| [21:30:00] | |Slurpee|: | and i gooed |
| [21:30:00] | |Slurpee|: | just booted and nothing happens again |
| [21:31:00] | cmillard: | I've got an HDTV question; am I correct in understanding that it'll take a serious rig or dedicated editing rack to capture HD quality video over component/DVI ? |
| [21:31:00] | bdina: | Slurpee: are all of the components plugged in?? |
| [21:31:00] | cmillard: | Serious meaning more than 5k? |
| [21:32:00] | bdina: | you might try and connect only the parts you need for the bios to post such as proc/mem |
| [21:32:00] | |Slurpee|: | i have a mobo and cpu installed, along with onboard video and 256 ram |
| [21:32:00] | bdina: | Surpee: do you know if your PS is good?? |
| [21:32:00] | |Slurpee|: | ps is brand new |
| [21:32:00] | |Slurpee|: | the fans turn on |
| [21:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | but nothing is being processed .... |
| [21:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | nothign really turns on except the fans |
| [21:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | am i supposed to boot with a disk ? |
| [21:33:00] | bdina: | nah, you need the system to post before you can worry about booting |
| [21:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | for my first boot or osmehting ? |
| [21:33:00] | |Slurpee|: | thats what i orginally though |
| [21:34:00] | bdina: | Slurpee: what kinda proc — P4?? |
| [21:34:00] | |Slurpee|: | amd |
| [21:34:00] | |Slurpee|: | sempron 2800 64 |
| [21:34:00] | |Slurpee|: | this is the 2nd cpu ive tried |
| [21:35:00] | cmillard: | Slurpee: Id swap mobos. Sounds like you're not posting |
| [21:35:00] | cmillard: | Maybe check mobo jumpers |
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| [21:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | mobo jumpers ??? |
| [21:36:00] | bdina: | Slurpee: Can you check the PS anyway — connect to another board, measure with a meter or something |
| [21:36:00] | |Slurpee|: | i used a dif power supply before i got this 500w |
| [21:37:00] | |Slurpee|: | and i had same error the other day |
| [21:37:00] | cmillard: | What error? |
| [21:37:00] | bdina: | hmm |
| [21:37:00] | bdina: | his system wont post |
| [21:37:00] | laga: | are you sure the monitor is attached? ;) |
| [21:37:00] | bdina: | Slurpee: are you sure you have the correct components (memory, etc.) |
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| [21:38:00] | cmillard: | Slurpee: Do you have a system speaker hooked up? |
| [21:39:00] | warlord: | For the record (and the logs) — zap2it appears to be working again. |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | no speaker sounds |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | monitor is totaly attached |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | correct components yes |
| [21:39:00] | cmillard: | Be specific; no *system* speaker sounds? |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | cpu fits perfectly |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | onl thing could be ram |
| [21:39:00] | |Slurpee|: | and ive tried 2 dif 2 ram ships |
| [21:39:00] | cmillard: | You would get a post error (beeping) if it was RAM |
| [21:39:00] | cmillard: | or if it was video card |
| [21:40:00] | cmillard: | So you're left with CPU, PS or Mobo |
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| [21:40:00] | cmillard: | That's assuming you have a system speaker hooked up properly (to beep at you hehe) |
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| [21:40:00] | bdina: | Slurpee: well, you only have three variables at this point (not counting the various pieces of silicon on the mobo). |
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| [21:42:00] | Kelerion: | Slurpee – plugged the extra power cable in? |
| [21:42:00] | Kelerion: | to the mobo |
| [21:43:00] | cmillard: | Kelerion: good call |
| [21:43:00] | sri: | Kelerion: dude, I got it working finally. |
| [21:43:00] | |Slurpee|: | extra power ? |
| [21:43:00] | Kelerion: | wtg sri :) |
| [21:43:00] | cmillard: | Maybe I should ask something more general :) |
| [21:43:00] | sri: | wtg? way to go? |
| [21:43:00] | cmillard: | Anyone here doing HD? |
| [21:43:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [21:43:00] | sri: | now I'm going to switch to freevo |
| [21:43:00] | sri: | because I love pain |
| [21:44:00] | Kelerion: | blashemy |
| [21:44:00] | sri: | haha |
| [21:44:00] | Kelerion: | blasphemy |
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| [21:44:00] | |Slurpee|: | i think i now the other power cable .... |
| [21:44:00] | |Slurpee|: | i see an extra cable from psu |
| [21:44:00] | |Slurpee|: | that can connect to the mobo |
| [21:44:00] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [21:44:00] | Kelerion: | Slurpee – give it a go |
| [21:44:00] | bdina: | anyone have any experience with ATi and TV-Out? |
| [21:44:00] | |Slurpee|: | what is the exra power cable for ? |
| [21:44:00] | Kelerion: | extra juice |
| [21:45:00] | bdina: | proc core |
| [21:45:00] | |Slurpee|: | ? |
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| [21:45:00] | bdina: | the extra power cable is for the cpu core |
| [21:46:00] | |Slurpee|: | thats needs to be in to boot ? :/ |
| [21:46:00] | Kelerion: | yup.. or else you get just fans going |
| [21:46:00] | |Slurpee|: | brb ! |
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| [21:47:00] | jono: | howdy folks |
| [21:47:00] | Kelerion: | whydy |
| [21:47:00] | Kelerion: | okies.. that sounded better in my head |
| [21:48:00] | jono: | can anyone recommend any tips to quieten my mythtv box – I have installed an ultra quiet psu but I also have two rear fans that I suspect are making much of the noise |
| [21:48:00] | |Slurpee|: | kelerion wins 5 bux !! |
| [21:48:00] | Kelerion: | see sri? I've helped two people now! :) |
| [21:48:00] | |Slurpee|: | got paypal ? ;/ |
| [21:49:00] | Kelerion: | have a pint on me Slurpee.. lol |
| [21:49:00] | |Slurpee|: | u own ! |
| [21:49:00] | |Slurpee|: | ive been fuckign with this all week |
| [21:49:00] | |Slurpee|: | my first cpu may still be good ! |
| [21:49:00] | |Slurpee|: | i thought i fried it |
| [21:49:00] | Kelerion: | others in here help a *ton* more than I do.. lol |
| [21:49:00] | Kelerion: | donate to the developers :) |
| [21:49:00] | a1fa: | hey |
| [21:50:00] | a1fa: | mythgames supports amiga 500 emulator uae? |
| [21:50:00] | bdina: | where can I go *besides* ATi to get help with my 9100 IGP and TVout??? |
| [21:50:00] | a1fa: | ati suckaz :p |
| [21:51:00] | bdina: | I know — it came onboard my Shuttle ST62K |
| [21:51:00] | bdina: | great PC — sucky video adapter |
| [21:51:00] | a1fa: | dunno |
| [21:51:00] | a1fa: | sorry man |
| [21:51:00] | a1fa: | try radeon.sf.net |
| [21:52:00] | Kelerion: | bdina: I just checked google and it says the new ati drivers supports that card.. |
| [21:52:00] | bdina: | yeah, me too... too bad the PC only has 1 pci slot for expansion |
| [21:52:00] | Kelerion: | on *that* shuttle |
| [21:52:00] | bdina: | yeah, its not really the problem of support — I can't get the TVout to display the entire size of my TV screen |
| [21:52:00] | bdina: | it ignores the settings for overscan in my xorg.conf |
| [21:52:00] | Kelerion: | you done the hex edit? |
| [21:53:00] | bdina: | it does acknowlege them however |
| [21:53:00] | bdina: | that is for an old driver — ver. 3.x I think |
| [21:53:00] | Kelerion: | 3.12.0 |
| [21:53:00] | bdina: | I am using 8.20.8 --- much more modern |
| [21:53:00] | a1fa: | mythgame support amiga emulator? |
| [21:53:00] | Kelerion: | ahh okies.. dunno then..sorry |
| [21:54:00] | bdina: | Kelerion: me too :) |
| [21:54:00] | a1fa: | mythgame supports UAE? |
| [21:55:00] | tanq_: | so does myth support playing vob files? |
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| [21:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | a1fa: The SVN version supports anything, I don't think that the 0.18 does |
| [21:57:00] | a1fa: | GreyFoxx : sucks.. i love my amiga games |
| [21:57:00] | Kelerion: | would you say svn is close enough to be stable in a production environment (my living room without my wife complaining it's crashing to the desktop) yet? |
| [21:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | then use svn |
| [21:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: I only ever use svn |
| [21:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | and I have no problems |
| [21:58:00] | ** Beirdo curses udev ** | |
| [21:58:00] | Kelerion: | I love svn.. and I don't mind it crashing to the desktop.. really.. it's only a button on the remote to press.. but my wife doesn't |
| [21:58:00] | Beirdo: | stupid POS |
| [21:59:00] | laga: | Kelerion: i have it set to restart automagically. while true; do mythfrontend; done ;) |
| [21:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: imho ALL dynamically created /dev systems are stupid |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:59:00] | Beirdo: | I hear ya |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | I want my devices to stay the way I put em |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | Exactly |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | does the line: "ok boot -r" mean anything to people? :) |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | I should be able to chown/mod a /dev entry and not have to go fsck with some config files to make it permanent |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | Sun ++ |
| [22:01:00] | Kelerion: | its a solaris thing? |
| [22:01:00] | dmz: | hey y'all, i was just looking at my schedule for the weekend and everything past midnight is "unknown" |
| [22:01:00] | dmz: | i've rerun mythfilldatabase manually & it says data is there for the next 2 weeks |
| [22:01:00] | Beirdo: | that's how you tell a sun box (at the OK prompt) to reconfigure devices |
| [22:02:00] | dmz: | Beirdo i don't recall -r |
| [22:02:00] | dmz: | Beirdo google it :) |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | or touch /RECONFIGURE (reconfigure) and reboot |
| [22:02:00] | dmz: | i usually only need "boot disk" |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:02:00] | dmz: | anyone have any answer for my mythtv schedule? |
| [22:02:00] | Beirdo: | I'm SAYING that's how it works |
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| [22:03:00] | the-FoX: | hello |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | the -r tells it to reconfigure the device tables |
| [22:03:00] | Beirdo: | which you do if you add new hardware |
| [22:04:00] | dmz: | anyone else see schedule problems? I would have expected this for new years, not for 12/31 midnight :| |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | xris, you messing with mythweb again? :) |
| [22:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | dmz: I am no seeing that. You see this in Mythweb or mythfrontend ? |
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| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | goddammit, zap2it! |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | stop adding channels I don't have |
| [22:09:00] | Beirdo: | why can't I LOCK my fucking channel layout? |
| [22:09:00] | _willcooke_: | gah, why is svn so slow |
| [22:09:00] | xris: | me? not lately |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | well, actually, did some small bug fixes the other day |
| [22:10:00] | xris: | nothing major in at least a week |
| [22:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | _willcooke_: How so ? |
| [22:10:00] | _willcooke_: | I'm co'ing the whole of mythtv, and it |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:10:00] | _willcooke_: | 's just crawling along |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | well it's been a while I guess |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:10:00] | bjohnson: | Beirdo: I expect to arrive at your place about 2:00 pm tomorrow |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | new main page... data dir... |
| [22:10:00] | Beirdo: | bjohnson, sounds good |
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| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | _willcooke_: Ahhhh ok, I thought you mean the app itself ;) |
| [22:11:00] | _willcooke_: | greyfoxx, ah, no sorry... I should have explain that better! |
| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:12:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, I think I've solved the missing programmes problem, the mrs deleted them! |
| [22:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | hah |
| [22:12:00] | bjohnson: | look forward to meeting you |
| [22:12:00] | xris: | Beirdo: long time |
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| [22:19:00] | ** Kelerion hits the whisky – been one of those days :P ** | |
| [22:20:00] | ** _willcooke_ gets a beer ** | |
| [22:21:00] | Kelerion: | am gonna co svn.. I just know it ain't gonna compile though.. it's one of those days.. lol |
| [22:22:00] | Kelerion: | is there changelog of 18.1 to 18.2? |
| [22:22:00] | _willcooke_: | I've actually never had an svn co that didnt compile, apart from the first one where I didnt have all the lib's |
| [22:22:00] | xris: | Kelerion: there's a .18.2? |
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| [22:22:00] | Kelerion: | If you'd like to get the stable 0.18.2 branch, do this instead: |
| [22:22:00] | Kelerion: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-18-fixes/mythtv |
| [22:22:00] | Kelerion: | it says on the page |
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| [22:23:00] | _willcooke_: | Can you clear the edit points on a recording from the sql db? |
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| [22:25:00] | Kelerion: | or am I reading that wrong? |
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| [22:29:00] | xris: | Kelerion: ahh. that's not really svn, then |
| [22:29:00] | Kelerion: | no.. am still installing svn.. just was wondering if there was a changelog |
| [22:29:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_: heh.. naughty mrs _willcooke_ ;) |
| [22:29:00] | xris: | well, it uses svn, but "checking out svn" usually refers to checking out the main trunk. many more cool things in there. |
| [22:30:00] | xris: | don't think there's much of a changelog unless someone is still maintaining one at mythtv.info |
| [22:30:00] | Kelerion: | ahh okies.. will check.. thanks |
| [22:31:00] | Kelerion: | have a plan.. gonna use svn.. tell the wife it's 18.1.. she won't know the difference.. and if it breaks will tell her it's something to do with splitting backend from frontend :P |
| [22:31:00] | Juski: | _willcooke_ are they not just in the recordedmarkup table? |
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| [22:34:00] | Juski: | have a look in the source, _willcooke_ – there's bound to be a 'type' in the markuptable that signifies cutpoints.. just do a replace on them |
| [22:35:00] | _willcooke_: | juski, hard core! I'll take a look. I'll delve in to the database first. |
| [22:35:00] | Juski: | or just put a bunch or zeros in there & commflag the file again |
| [22:35:00] | _willcooke_: | plan! |
| [22:36:00] | Juski: | right.. back to t' sofa |
| [22:38:00] | Kelerion: | if I didn't know better I'd say you were a yorkie Juski :P |
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| [22:40:00] | _willcooke_: | Kelerion, he's a Manc I think |
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| [22:42:00] | Kelerion: | thats even more of an insult than calling him a yorkie :P |
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| [22:42:00] | darkdrgn2k\: | hi, is there are plugins to stream TV over the net? |
| [22:42:00] | laga: | darkdrgn2k\: maybe mythstreamtv |
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| [22:43:00] | Kelerion: | deja vue |
| [22:43:00] | darkdrgn2k\: | laga: thanx |
| [22:43:00] | _willcooke_: | kelerion, :) |
| [22:44:00] | Kelerion: | erm.. your not from manchester are you willcooke? lol |
| [22:44:00] | darkdrgn2k\: | any one know anything about LIVE DRIVE (sound blaster's ir thing) |
| [22:44:00] | darkdrgn2k\: | ie: how to get it to work |
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| [22:44:00] | _willcooke_: | Nah mate. I'm what Manc's would call a soft southern bast'd. |
| [22:45:00] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
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| [22:45:00] | ** _willcooke_ is in between Cambridge and N'hampton ** | |
| [22:45:00] | Kelerion: | and I'm from Leeds.. the only mythtv user in Leeds.. I love that.. lol |
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| [22:46:00] | tanq_: | weird... irexec isnt working for some reason |
| [22:46:00] | tanq_: | out of the blue |
| [22:46:00] | _willcooke_: | more notherners! Although I suppose jono is strictly a midlandser |
| [22:47:00] | Arkkis: | hey, if I have two soundcards, can I get hauppauge card's output sound to the other, not normally used soundcard to be used as input? |
| [22:47:00] | stephen_gw: | Kelerion, how do you know you're the only user in Leeds? Is there any maintianed list, etc? I suspect i'm the only user in Bath (even more of a soft southern bast'd). |
| [22:47:00] | _willcooke_: | :) |
| [22:47:00] | _willcooke_: | I think they keep a list at the post office. |
| [22:47:00] | Arkkis: | because I have this problem, that I hear the unlooped sound and the sound that's trough mythtv both |
| [22:47:00] | Kelerion: | frappr and mythtv.info's mug .. |
| [22:48:00] | Kelerion: | and if they're not on either.. they don't count as far as I'm concerned.. lol |
| [22:48:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, heh |
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| [22:48:00] | jono: | Kelerion, I was in leeds a few weeks ago doing a talk at wylug |
| [22:49:00] | Kelerion: | they have a lug in leeds??? |
| [22:49:00] | jono: | yep |
| [22:49:00] | Kelerion: | they got a website? |
| [22:50:00] | jono: | just search for wylug |
| [22:50:00] | Kelerion: | I remember a wylug but I seem to remember it in sheffield or something |
| [22:51:00] | Kelerion: | hey.. nice one |
| [22:51:00] | Kelerion: | at the Uni |
| [22:51:00] | Kelerion: | "After the meeting many retire to a local Pub" |
| [22:52:00] | Kelerion: | gotta go! |
| [22:52:00] | _willcooke_: | laters |
| [22:52:00] | _willcooke_: | oh, just re read that |
| [22:53:00] | Kelerion: | jono.. payed for the tickets and booked a room at the hotel for lugaradio live 2005.. was gutted I couldn't make it |
| [22:53:00] | Kelerion: | am definately making the next one though |
| [22:53:00] | jono: | Kelerion, wicked |
| [22:53:00] | jono: | its gonna be amazing next year :) |
| [22:53:00] | Kelerion: | I downloaded the video.. looked like you had a blast |
| [22:54:00] | jono: | Kelerion, it was awesome :) |
| [22:54:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, you coming to LRL06? |
| [22:54:00] | Kelerion: | I know bandwith is an issue.. but was a shame there wasn't individual downloads of the speakers etc.. |
| [22:54:00] | _willcooke_: | I certainly hope to. Depending on when we sell this stupid house |
| [22:55:00] | jono: | Kelerion, I am gonna release audio clips of the speakers |
| [22:55:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, where you moving to ? |
| [22:55:00] | Kelerion: | just you lot rabbitting on.. and who wants that??? lol |
| [22:55:00] | jono: | Kelerion, heh |
| [22:55:00] | _willcooke_: | HA! http://www.bash.org/?592829 |
| [22:55:00] | ** Kelerion laughs ** | |
| [22:56:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, not fucking wolves, that's for sure! :D |
| [22:56:00] | Kelerion: | hey.. you read the write-up in this/last months linux-format of myth? |
| [22:57:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, heh |
| [22:57:00] | jono: | Kelerion, naa, someone else |
| [22:57:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, back to Potton. The mrs is a social worker and it's not nice meeting people in Tesco who's kids she' |
| [22:57:00] | _willcooke_: | s taken away |
| [22:58:00] | Kelerion: | urgh.. as if shopping isn't bad enough |
| [22:58:00] | jono: | _willcooke_, hehe |
| [22:58:00] | _willcooke_: | :) There's nothing quite being shouted at by a skanky bitch with a trolley loaded with tesco value bog roll and teso value gin |
| [22:58:00] | ** Kelerion laughs ** | |
| [22:59:00] | jono: | heh |
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| [22:59:00] | Kelerion: | it could be worse.. it could be tesco value cider |
| [23:00:00] | Kelerion: | that reminds me.. I've missed a couple of lugradio downloads I think |
| [23:01:00] | _willcooke_: | ? tesco value cider reminds you of lugradio?! :) |
| [23:01:00] | ** Kelerion just chuckles and goes to download them ** | |
| [23:02:00] | Kelerion: | last show I heard you had a new guy on.. so how many episodes I missed? |
| [23:02:00] | jono: | is the cx88 driver in the stock kernel? |
| [23:03:00] | _willcooke_: | jono, is now |
| [23:04:00] | Kelerion: | "/lib/modules/2.6.12-8–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88" |
| [23:04:00] | _willcooke_: | kelerion, was it adam sweet? |
| [23:04:00] | Kelerion: | yeah.. him |
| [23:04:00] | _willcooke_: | not too many |
| [23:04:00] | _willcooke_: | maybe 2 |
| [23:04:00] | jono: | Kelerion, it was mrben I think |
| [23:04:00] | Kelerion: | okies.. downloading last 3 |
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| [23:04:00] | jono: | adam sweet was on ages ago |
| [23:05:00] | _willcooke_: | really? |
| [23:05:00] | Kelerion: | ahh was mrben then |
| [23:05:00] | Kelerion: | he was pretty quiet.. right? |
| [23:05:00] | _willcooke_: | ahh, yeah, sorry thats what I was thinking of |
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| [23:06:00] | _willcooke_: | sweet is a dude! |
| [23:06:00] | Kelerion: | no no .. I'm nearly uptodate.. I remember the hype or shite: mythtv one.. so just the last one :) |
| [23:07:00] | Kelerion: | got a good review.. just said was hard to install which is frankly true :) |
| [23:08:00] | Kelerion: | ok.. now I'm impressed.. svn just finished compiling perfectly on my frontend first time :))) |
| [23:09:00] | ** Kelerion waits for backend to brok ** | |
| [23:09:00] | Kelerion: | bork |
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| [23:11:00] | jono: | brb |
| [23:11:00] | jono: | going up to bed |
| [23:12:00] | jono: | hack on myth over the wonders of wireless |
| [23:12:00] | Kelerion: | gl.. just don't try to watch anything you've recorded over wireless :) |
| [23:13:00] | xris: | Beirdo: more mythweb fixes for you if you want them |
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| [23:29:00] | Juski: | mythtv.. hard to install? since when? and compared to _what_? ;-) |
| [23:30:00] | Juski: | jump through hoops. slaughter a virgin on the 12th night & it's all done |
| [23:30:00] | Arkkis: | hehe |
| [23:31:00] | Kelerion: | lol |
| [23:31:00] | Juski: | try getting a DVB-T card to work with Showshifter consistently.. now thats what I call difficult |
| [23:31:00] | Kelerion: | never used it.. I own their domain.. but never used it |
| [23:32:00] | Arkkis: | current problems: audio is left only, should be stereo, I get the tuner audio echoing all the time trough speakers, ontop of that I hear the mythtv audio, oh and the frontend is taking 90% of my cpu time |
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| [23:33:00] | _willcooke_: | Why is "English (US)" at the top of the setup list and "English (British)" at the bottom! :) |
| [23:33:00] | Kelerion: | because we aren't wanted? |
| [23:33:00] | ** Kelerion feels left out ** | |
| [23:33:00] | _willcooke_: | :( |
| [23:34:00] | Kelerion: | erm.. what setup list? lol |
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| [23:39:00] | NightMonkey: | Just sent an e-mail to labs@zap2it.com to let them know (!) that their forums have been down for several days now. Doesn't make me feel good about the viability of their service... :/ |
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| [23:44:00] | _willcooke_: | kelerion, mythtv-setup :) |
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| [23:57:00] | Kelerion: | anyone know where mod_rewrite has gone under under ubuntu? |
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| [23:58:00] | _willcooke_: | kelerion, apache2? it |
| [23:58:00] | _willcooke_: | 's there |
| [23:58:00] | _willcooke_: | somewhere |
| [23:59:00] | _willcooke_: | might be installed by default |
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